| 00:00.13 | prahal | fiore2388: i cannot believe it ... bootsplash is a dead project for years ... there are no changes in the code. Could it be the kernel which changed (have you switched from a costum build kerneel to a debian one ?) |
| 00:00.34 | prahal | or maybe i missed its rebirth ... |
| 00:00.36 | fiore2388 | phaethon, I use a debian kernel (2.6.11) |
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| 00:01.09 | prahal | fiore2388: the debian binary package of the kernel ? |
| 00:01.29 | prahal | ... i am out of clues . debian kernel does not include bootsplash |
| 00:01.43 | fiore2388 | prahal, I didn't the fakeroot way but I installed the 'kernel-source-2.6.11' package. |
| 00:01.49 | prahal | though it needs an initrd that s for sure |
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| 00:02.08 | chealer | ssb: which release? |
| 00:02.14 | xst | prahal: Hmm, the load is actually not that high: load average: 0.10, 0.06, 0.01 |
| 00:02.15 | fiore2388 | prahal, I patched it, bootsplash works, the problem now is that mkinitrd -o file versionkernel doesn't work. :D |
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| 00:02.28 | ssb | chealer, experimental |
| 00:02.31 | ssb | (: |
| 00:02.43 | chealer | !wayttd ssb |
| 00:02.44 | fiore2388 | ssb you are crazy :D |
| 00:02.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ssb? |
| 00:02.47 | prahal | fiore2388: you cannot use initrd and bootsplash |
| 00:02.50 | ssb | :]]] |
| 00:02.51 | prahal | try splashy |
| 00:02.55 | fiore2388 | prahal, I CAN. :P |
| 00:03.01 | fiore2388 | prahal, I always used it. |
| 00:03.02 | prahal | even gensplash does not allow an intrd |
| 00:03.12 | fiore2388 | prahal, Gentoo sucks more than Chiara. :D |
| 00:03.46 | ssb | ok, i will use wget & grep instead of apt-file until this gets fixed :] |
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| 00:05.05 | prahal | fiore2388: the bootsplash doc tell you how to make a "initrd.splash" file . Thogh that s not an initrd. It is an image loadable by the bootsplash kernel code |
| 00:05.14 | prahal | you cannot ship drivers in it |
| 00:06.00 | fiore2388 | prahal, you are cool, now go ahead.. try to fix the problem togheter. ;) |
| 00:06.18 | prahal | bootplash was always a pile of garbage (after an attempt to port it to 2.6 i have stopped loosing my time with such spaghetti code) |
| 00:06.33 | xst | Question: I am sitting on a 172.20.x.x subnet but when I do a tcpdump I see a lot of entries like: 192.168.1.1.1900 > 239.255.255.250.1900: UDP, length: 246 How can I recieve packets from 192.168.x.x? And why do I receive them when they are not for me? |
| 00:06.52 | prahal | http://www.bootsplash.org/kernel.html show " /sbin/splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/themes/yourtheme/config/bootsplash-1024x768.cfg >> /boot/initrd.splash" that s how you make the needed initrd |
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| 00:08.13 | prahal | xst : "lsof -i" show you the connections and netstat -plunt which programs does it |
| 00:08.36 | prahal | run them as root to get connecitons for all users (and to see the program names) |
| 00:08.37 | nn | xst: looks like multicast traffic |
| 00:08.37 | fiore2388 | nemesis:/boot# splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/themes/dangergirl/config/bootsplash-1024x768.cfg >> /boot/initrd.splash |
| 00:08.37 | fiore2388 | nemesis:/boot# |
| 00:08.37 | fiore2388 | nemesis:/boot# lilo |
| 00:08.37 | fiore2388 | Added 2.6.11 * |
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| 00:08.45 | fiore2388 | prahal, *g* |
| 00:09.00 | fiore2388 | ;)) |
| 00:09.05 | fiore2388 | prahal, now I try. ^_^ |
| 00:09.06 | nn | xst: got any linksys or windows on the network? |
| 00:09.19 | xst | nn: Quite a lot of windows' |
| 00:09.31 | prahal | fiore2388: wait ! |
| 00:09.40 | xst | nn: more than 400 actually |
| 00:09.44 | nn | xst: That could very well be the source then |
| 00:10.10 | xst | nn: But I don't understand why I receive them when they are on another subnet |
| 00:10.16 | prahal | fiore2388: check your lilo.conf to see if you have the initrd=/boot/initrd.splash |
| 00:10.21 | prahal | before rebooting :) |
| 00:10.27 | fiore2388 | yes I have. ;) |
| 00:10.33 | fiore2388 | prahal, np my pc will boot anyway |
| 00:10.37 | nn | xst: are they on the same wire? |
| 00:10.51 | xst | yes |
| 00:11.01 | xst | aaaah, ok, its a DUMP |
| 00:11.03 | nn | that might just cause it then, something misconfigured as to that it is |
| 00:11.18 | nn | xst: syslog/snmp? |
| 00:12.27 | prahal | xst: maybe not if you have installed a lot of unused service programs . Pipes the results through less to be able to search through them : netstat -plunt | less |
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| 00:13.34 | prahal | xst: windows xp broadcast upnp request on the internet ... so on an intranet it s far from weird |
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| 00:13.35 | glick | damn its good to be back on debian |
| 00:13.37 | glick | machine |
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| 00:14.04 | Crell | Can anyone recommend a good tutorial on setting up a webcam under a Debian/2.6.x/udev system? |
| 00:14.08 | xst | ok |
| 00:14.12 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.26 | prahal | xst: you should try etherape :) |
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| 00:14.36 | fiore2388 | prahal, pm. :) |
| 00:14.52 | prahal | ? |
| 00:14.57 | akusarujin | could anyone by chance refer me to some sort of beginner-friendly reference material for setting up snmp properly? |
| 00:15.19 | glick | i tried ubuntu |
| 00:15.24 | apwd | meh |
| 00:15.26 | glick | its a nice idea but it aint debian |
| 00:15.27 | apwd | ubuntu ain all that |
| 00:15.28 | akusarujin | there are a couple of things in the config file that somewhat confuse me, man 5 snmp.conf is a bit rough, too.. |
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| 00:15.47 | akusarujin | i like debian as-is. i've never really had the craving to try another distro after using debian. |
| 00:15.55 | nn | i run for the most part debian, with some locally built replacement packages in my cache |
| 00:16.05 | glick | i want to run the latest xfce4 on it |
| 00:16.06 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: traps? polling? (passing knowledge) |
| 00:16.08 | glick | then ill be happy |
| 00:16.09 | nn | just to provide the required local system |
| 00:16.17 | glick | tomorrow ill install the packages from os-works |
| 00:16.21 | glick | or at least try |
| 00:16.27 | prahal | Crell: when for the udev/2.6 stuff there are stuff . About webcams it is a little wide (have you found the needed driver ?) |
| 00:16.41 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i really just wish i could learn how to get started with it without vaguely making shots in the dark.. i don't want to misconfigure it |
| 00:17.07 | akusarujin | r3tr0, the manual page for snmpd.conf is extremely terse |
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| 00:17.28 | akusarujin | ..well, i guess it'd be enough information if i knew what most of it meant.. but i don't. |
| 00:17.34 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, i've been doing hand to hand with cisco mibs for a while now... |
| 00:17.43 | amorphix | has anyone managed to get a Wacom pad setup in Debian? |
| 00:17.45 | glick | i did the minimal install for the first time of debian |
| 00:17.48 | glick | it is nice! |
| 00:18.00 | glick | much better then all that ish installed when you select desktop task |
| 00:18.22 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: just don't set write permissions, and (as i understand it) that's the only misconfiguration that will really scar you for life. |
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| 00:18.31 | nn | glick: yea i always do base system then install what i need |
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| 00:18.35 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i was simply hoping to setup snmpd on a server machine and work with mrtg a bit to get a decent graph so i can know where my bandwidth is heading, monthly.. but it's really hard for me to grasp anything to do with snmpd |
| 00:18.39 | nn | i've got debian running on top of freebsd right now |
| 00:18.50 | nn | via linux emulation |
| 00:18.52 | glick | nn, i dont get the point of that |
| 00:18.59 | nn | glick: i need my freebsd :) |
| 00:19.06 | prahal | akusarujin: http://www.david-guerrero.com/papers/snmp/ |
| 00:19.19 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: so you're looking to break out the graphs by IP or something? cool. |
| 00:19.20 | nn | but i have this set up so that i can boot debian natively, run debian via jail on fbsd, and even in colinux on XP |
| 00:19.32 | nn | it's part of my emulation system i'm building :) |
| 00:19.47 | Crell | prahal: I'm not sure how to determine what the correct driver is, actually. That's why I'm asking. |
| 00:19.47 | akusarujin | prahal, thanks, i'll check it out |
| 00:19.47 | glick | i see |
| 00:20.04 | glick | Pop_pa_FrEaK, first time debian user? |
| 00:20.09 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | yes |
| 00:20.14 | chaps0063 | how do I reconfigure settings for my monitor? |
| 00:20.35 | akusarujin | and r3tr0, yeah, i'm just planning on monitoring the traffic around here so i can estimate how much bandwidth to purchase in the future.. it could really save me a lot of cash, if i visually know about how much i need :) |
| 00:21.11 | nn | Anyone know of a GPS based animal locator (Similiar to the children's wherify watch)? |
| 00:21.36 | jim | nn: you're looking for a particular animal? |
| 00:21.37 | prahal | akusarujin: http://prahal.darktech.org/~prahal/know/bk2site/Harden/Monitoring/SNMP/index.html if you want more in depth docs |
| 00:21.45 | nn | jim: Yea, to keep track of a few animals actually |
| 00:21.49 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: if you're just looking at bulk traffic, then ifInOctets and ifOutOctets should be about all you need to know. |
| 00:22.00 | prahal | though backup the links my page may go away anyday |
| 00:22.19 | akusarujin | prahal, thanks a lot, i really appreciate it |
| 00:22.22 | chaps0063 | dpkg-reconfigure (what goes here for the display settings) |
| 00:22.32 | nn | jim: mostly in the event that should either Sasha (my wolf) or Lexi (my rotweiler) were to be let out of the fence again by the postbastard :) |
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| 00:22.46 | jim | nn: would seem to me that you will have to put a solution together |
| 00:22.58 | Guerin | nn: man chain |
| 00:23.02 | nn | jim: most likely, was considering wherify watch attached to their collar |
| 00:23.08 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah, i am keeping an estimation via the total in/out, but i'd *love* to be able to log it daily, weekly, monthly, to really spot what's going on |
| 00:23.14 | r3tr0 | nn: i've heard of something like that... i think it was called digital angel? |
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| 00:23.15 | nn | Guerin: not very practical |
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| 00:23.40 | Guerin | nn: or better yet, put a mailbox outside the gate |
| 00:23.41 | nn | r3tr0: I'll check it out :) i'm just wanting a bit of safety in the rare event my pets are let loose by careless postal employees |
| 00:23.42 | jethro | hello Guerin |
| 00:23.49 | nn | Guerin: i may have to... |
| 00:23.57 | Guerin | jethro: g'day sunshine. |
| 00:24.10 | nn | Guerin: chain isn't so practical however given the yard size and the animal size ;) |
| 00:24.14 | nn | I'd have to use a logging chain for Sasha |
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| 00:24.24 | nn | she snaps chains :) |
| 00:24.25 | Guerin | nn: you could train them to come home. |
| 00:24.26 | v4mpir0 | hi all |
| 00:24.38 | Guerin | nn: you're not using strong enough chains. |
| 00:24.38 | zinx | nn: my dad's got a 2ton+ steel cable on his |
| 00:24.53 | nn | Guerin: That's part of the problem, she's used to her old home not this new one, so she tries to go back there.. |
| 00:25.01 | zinx | nn: the trick is you need a decent swivel on it too |
| 00:25.02 | Guerin | stupid animals |
| 00:25.03 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: we use cricket instead of mrtg - but that's because we're monitoring a lot of boxes. mrtg i think actually does the querying for you... don't know, didn't mess with it too much. too proc-heavy. |
| 00:25.06 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.18 | v4mpir0 | who can help me |
| 00:25.20 | v4mpir0 | ??? |
| 00:25.22 | glick | hey when do you think debian testing or unstable will have xfce 4.2? |
| 00:25.32 | nn | zinx: yea, then i just have the dumb rotweiler tangling herself around trees heh ;) |
| 00:25.36 | nn | but i may have to |
| 00:25.37 | burd | looking for information about at repositories.. atm can i get sarge from using either of the actual words testing or sarge in my apt sources? if so, using sarge instead of the word testing will make my sarge machine follow sarge into stable? |
| 00:25.41 | akusarujin | r3tr0, it's proc-heavy? really? how's cricke? i've been referred to it in the past |
| 00:25.46 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.47 | zinx | nn: yeah, it happens :x |
| 00:25.50 | akusarujin | cricket, raher |
| 00:25.52 | Guerin | unstable will have it almost as soon as sarge releases ... testing maybe a week or two later. |
| 00:25.53 | zinx | nn: i think they do it on purpose, honestly |
| 00:25.55 | akusarujin | ugh.. cricket, rather * |
| 00:26.02 | glick | nice!!!! |
| 00:26.06 | nn | zinx: Probably, i had a pit bull damn near hang itself |
| 00:26.07 | Guerin | nn: probably better to circumvent the problem altogether and put the mailbox outside on the road. |
| 00:26.07 | glick | that will be in a few days no? |
| 00:26.09 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | XFCE 4.2 is sweet |
| 00:26.18 | nn | Guerin: most likely, yea |
| 00:26.27 | Guerin | glick: release is slated for next week. |
| 00:26.30 | nn | just was hoping for a cheap tracking solution, it'd help in other instances too |
| 00:26.31 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: mrtg makes ALL the graphs every polling interval. if you're doing more than a few boxes, it's creating all those images every polling interval. brought a dual-proc machine up to a load level of 8+ (!) |
| 00:26.41 | seldon | v4mpir0: That is kinda hard to tell without knowing what your problem is... |
| 00:26.42 | v4mpir0 | how can i reinstall the debian,. without loose my files,.. |
| 00:26.42 | Crell | Sarge is actually going to go stable? *gasp* |
| 00:26.44 | nn | particularly any careless fool leaving the gates unlatched or whatever |
| 00:26.47 | Guerin | !annoy v4mpir0 |
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| 00:26.49 | glick | most holy of holies i cant wait for xfce4.2 |
| 00:26.54 | glick | its soo hella sweet! |
| 00:26.56 | Guerin | !irritate v4mpir0 |
| 00:26.56 | dpkg | v4mpir0: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh mouse lol |
| 00:27.05 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: cricket does it on a per-request basis. it's okay. the docs, of course, are uphill. |
| 00:27.15 | Guerin | glick: the os-works packages and the installer DO WORK. |
| 00:27.18 | akusarujin | r3tr0, wow.. what's cricket's method of reporting? does it not generate graphs? |
| 00:27.20 | nn | Guerin: See, if she gets lose, i can get arrested, since she's a wolf |
| 00:27.28 | Guerin | nn: yeah. |
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| 00:27.45 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: looks like the same output as mrtg - it's graphs. just generated on-the-fly. |
| 00:27.46 | glick | Guerin, even with 4.0 already installed on my machine? |
| 00:27.48 | akusarujin | r3tr0, oh, i see what you mean; it's just a matter of how often they pull in the graphs and how many |
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| 00:27.53 | Guerin | nn: doesn't your pad have to get certified wolf-proof or something? |
| 00:27.58 | nn | Guerin: no |
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| 00:28.05 | nn | i just have to keep her within my grounds :) |
| 00:28.18 | akusarujin | r3tr0, so cricket might not be so easy for a beginner such as myself? :/ |
| 00:28.20 | seldon | v4mpir0: Depends. If you were smart enough to put the important files on a different partition than the base system, just keep the partition and you'll be fine. |
| 00:28.20 | nn | and anyone who comes on my grounds does so entirely at their own risk as stated by big signs :) |
| 00:28.28 | Guerin | glick: remove 4.0 - there are instructions on exactly how to do this on the os-works site. |
| 00:28.40 | seldon | If not, back up the data, then copy it back when you're done reinstalling. |
| 00:29.00 | akusarujin | prahal, i'm really liking this site you referred me to, it's making his a lot more tangible; thanks again. |
| 00:29.15 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: the defaults on deb are pretty sane - the examples are relatively clear if you're not doing anything too wacky. |
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| 00:29.52 | akusarujin | r3tr0, can cricket be customized to show load on various aspects other than bandwidth? i.e. hardware monioring? |
| 00:29.52 | seldon | How did you mess up your system so bad that you have to reinstall, anyway? |
| 00:30.04 | nn | Guerin: i've heard of trackable RFID-style tags for animals :) |
| 00:30.12 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, you can monitor anything you can shove into snmp |
| 00:30.13 | akusarujin | monitoring * |
| 00:30.26 | Guerin | nn: yeah, that should be doable, but probably neither easy nor cheap. |
| 00:30.27 | akusarujin | r3tr0, excellent, i may give it a try instead, then. |
| 00:30.27 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: we use it to graph our UPS loads, etc etc |
| 00:30.40 | nn | Guerin: yea :( |
| 00:30.41 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: the RSSI on wireless links, etc etc |
| 00:30.54 | akusarujin | that seems very convenient.. |
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| 00:31.07 | Guerin | nn: aiui you'd need to set up a bunch of rfid readers around your place and at likely spotss, and monitor them. |
| 00:31.38 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: i like it. plus it uses rrdtool as a backend, which is just so gooey awesome. |
| 00:31.48 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i can't decide whether to give snmpconf a try or just edit the config by hand; the latter seems much easier to follow, as odd as it sounds.. |
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| 00:33.20 | glick | Guerin, there is something about the instructions i dont understand |
| 00:33.32 | Guerin | glick: ? |
| 00:33.34 | seldon | nn: RFID won't work for you. It only works up to a few yards distance. |
| 00:34.03 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: honestly, all i did was read the parts on setting the write password. the out-of-the-box debian snmpd behaviour was pretty sane. |
| 00:34.31 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: but then, i'm lazy. |
| 00:34.38 | nn | seldon: true |
| 00:34.39 | glick | first of all I am using testing distrobution of debian, and the instructions tell me to add another testing source to my sources.list file. so when i do apt-get install xfce how will it know which source to get the xfce from? |
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| 00:35.00 | Guerin | glick: it'll take the highest version number out of the two sources available. |
| 00:35.02 | seldon | On the other hand, using GPS/Galileo/whatever to track your pet wolf would probably be overkill. |
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| 00:35.17 | nn | I may just use those invisible fence shock collars but i dont like that idea |
| 00:35.18 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah, but i completely don't get the way the config file is setup.. |
| 00:35.19 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.20 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 3813 messages. Is idling for 17h 42m 18s |
| 00:35.23 | r3tr0 | there is no such thing as too much overkill |
| 00:35.38 | akusarujin | r3tr0, like the community names, and what i do and don't need to configure to get basic access setup |
| 00:35.38 | peterS | true by tautology |
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| 00:35.44 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.46 | peterS | since overkill by definition is too much of something |
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| 00:35.48 | seldon | There sure is. overkill is "too much" by definition. |
| 00:35.49 | glick | Guerin, also, what about my other system packages, when i do apt-get upgrade, i want them to come from the official debian repositories is this possible? |
| 00:35.51 | ultraviolet16 | what is console command to make folder? |
| 00:36.19 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: ah. hold on, i'll look at one of my boxes. |
| 00:36.21 | burd | mkdir |
| 00:36.22 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | hey nn have you tried PC-BSD ? |
| 00:36.26 | ultraviolet16 | thank you |
| 00:36.28 | Guerin | glick: since the only thing on that repo are the xfce4 and related packages, that won't be a problem. |
| 00:36.38 | glick | ahh i see |
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| 00:36.48 | glick | ok great |
| 00:36.51 | glick | thanks Guerin |
| 00:37.07 | nn | while googling i found some interesting rfid based implants for humans :P |
| 00:37.09 | nn | for payment/etc |
| 00:37.09 | Guerin | glick: thos packages are built against debian sarge - they're designed to fit right in. |
| 00:37.15 | ultraviolet16 | in the console, when in one directory what is the cd command to enter the parent directory? |
| 00:37.23 | seldon | nn: I'd rather drop dead than have one of those. |
| 00:37.24 | nn | but why? My phone can do a SPT (secure payment transaction) via bluetooth :) |
| 00:37.28 | burd | cd .. |
| 00:37.32 | r3tr0 | asukarujin: looks like i just disabled readwrite and uncommented readonly... and then let it rip. |
| 00:37.32 | ultraviolet16 | thank you |
| 00:37.35 | mngrif | nn: the work of the devil! the DEVIL i tell you! |
| 00:37.38 | nn | seldon: exactly, i'd rather use my mobile phone's SPT service |
| 00:37.42 | glick | so i can just upgrade my current install of xfce4? |
| 00:37.46 | nn | since i can switch it off and on |
| 00:37.53 | Guerin | nn: you could put a phone on your wolf, if she goes missing, you can call it and track the signal... |
| 00:38.10 | FrdFlint | i opened a movie on HDB2 with noatun,closed the movie, and tried to unmount HDB2, it wont unmount without closing noatun,is this a bug or something ? |
| 00:38.13 | seldon | Though cell phones tend to be on nearly all the time, which makes you trackable anyway. |
| 00:38.22 | r3tr0 | nn: you should definitely use lazer satellites. and mirrors.... |
| 00:38.23 | Guerin | glick: no, you have to uninstall the 4.0 first |
| 00:38.29 | mngrif | nn: the idea behind governments is to control... they want everyone to have implants, no matter if they publicly announce tracking devices on them (because you KNOW they will) |
| 00:38.29 | seldon | RFID for payment is a totally different devilish matter |
| 00:39.07 | seldon | Works like this: Vendors use RFID tags as so called "smart labels", so payment can be done automatically. |
| 00:39.16 | burd | FrdFlint: not if the file is loaded in queue, it would be exactly like having konqueror open in that dir |
| 00:39.18 | akusarujin | r3tr0, so you just commented out the RW groups? |
| 00:39.18 | Guerin | FrdFlint: no, something is bound to still be using that device. even a shell open to that dir, or FAM running moniroting it... |
| 00:39.28 | dan2 | asg: you there? |
| 00:39.30 | seldon | Problem is: RFID tags don't break easily, and they don't require their own power source. They last for about 20 years or so. |
| 00:39.36 | FrdFlint | ok thanks |
| 00:39.42 | Guerin | FrdFlint: if you REALLY want to unmount it, use umount -l |
| 00:39.48 | seldon | Thus, the next time you enter the store, the store knows exactly what underwear you wear |
| 00:39.53 | seldon | Which simply is none of their business. |
| 00:39.56 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yep. of course, the box is behind a firewall. so i can afford to have no idea what i'm doing. ;) |
| 00:40.02 | mngrif | FrdFlint: try installing and using 'lsof' to find out what's using it and killing the process |
| 00:40.26 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.27 | FrdFlint | no it wasnt important here at all, just didnt know if it was a bug |
| 00:40.29 | Guerin | seldon: all the more reason to buy low-tech |
| 00:40.33 | nn | they -are- made for children |
| 00:40.36 | nn | and as such small |
| 00:40.38 | seldon | In that respect, yes. |
| 00:40.44 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah, same |
| 00:41.01 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: then be bold, man. be bold. ;) |
| 00:41.09 | FrdFlint | sarge sure is a good system |
| 00:41.14 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i'm reading up on it regardless.. i'd like to actually know how to configure this safely. |
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| 00:41.39 | seldon | RFID has it's uses. but that is not one of them. At least not one I'd like to see. |
| 00:41.42 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: can't fault you for that. |
| 00:41.55 | Guerin | seldon: by which I mean: don't buy from big chain stores or anywhere that can afford such technology. Buy from places where the little old lady still has to ring the price up manually :) |
| 00:42.00 | nn | seldon: Yea, as i say, i'd rather my phone be my identity and payment device |
| 00:42.06 | Epilog | need a way to manage all my addressbook, imap mail and notes/calendar both in my home PC with debian and also on work, Outlook/Windows |
| 00:42.09 | nn | so that i can permit/deny access to it |
| 00:42.15 | Epilog | how can I accomplanish this? |
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| 00:42.35 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i appreciate the help, hopefully cricket will come up rather easily for me |
| 00:42.35 | seldon | nn: Do you really disable your phone every time you enter a store? |
| 00:42.39 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you can do all sorts of stuff with running shell scripts and piping their output into a mib, and then query it and graph it... |
| 00:42.40 | burd | Epilog: ximian evolution does a decent job with that |
| 00:42.52 | Guerin | Epilog: running your own mail server, or someone else's? |
| 00:42.53 | nn | my brother works for a company designing a system to that effect, which uses cryptographic tokens to exchange information about the transaction in a manner which would provide permitted-parties-only access |
| 00:42.55 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: luck |
| 00:43.00 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah, i can't wait to get this running |
| 00:43.06 | chaps0063 | what apt-get command do I need to run to get the 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:43.08 | nn | seldon: No need, each time a transaction is requested, you have to permit it via a prompt on the phone |
| 00:43.25 | chaps0063 | or can I do apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:43.33 | seldon | That's not what I meant. As long as your cell phone is on, people can trace it. |
| 00:43.36 | prahal | akusarujin: do you feel like writing a short summary of it on debian wiki ? i spend so much time finding those few docs i have not yet even read them :) |
| 00:43.36 | nn | Or you can add the requestor's certificate to your auto-permit list for various types of information |
| 00:43.52 | nn | seldon: my phone is registered to Fred Flintstone |
| 00:43.53 | burd | Epilog: I may have misunderstood you, Evolution is LIKE Outlook not compatible |
| 00:44.13 | nn | and i keep my balance up by using anonymously purchased cards :) |
| 00:44.21 | justin | well, outlook is not compatible which much of any existing email standards anyway |
| 00:44.22 | akusarujin | prahal, i might, if i feel comfortable enough. |
| 00:44.38 | prahal | i think most admin learn snmp at school and don't bother writing docs :/ |
| 00:44.38 | akusarujin | prahal, i need some time to work with it and understand it better. |
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| 00:45.04 | akusarujin | it's too bad my school doesn't offer any technology classes, so to speak. |
| 00:45.06 | nn | prahal: checked tldp.org? |
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| 00:45.15 | jwest | why is raidtools2 not in 'testing' ? |
| 00:45.20 | nn | it's almost my bedtime ;) |
| 00:45.25 | r3tr0 | prahal: or just for their one little application, and then don't learn anything more (looks at ceiling, whistling) |
| 00:45.29 | justin | jwest: I think most people have switched to mdadm a long time ago |
| 00:45.42 | prahal | nn: lol |
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| 00:45.45 | jwest | tnx |
| 00:45.51 | nn | prahal: i work 80 hours/week :) |
| 00:45.57 | nn | well 80+ |
| 00:46.03 | nn | 12 hours tomorrow |
| 00:46.14 | chaps0063 | nn: what do you do? |
| 00:46.19 | m4lu6 | oh boy. i knew i would run into problems w/this new laptop at some point. bloody ati. bloody toshiba. |
| 00:46.29 | prahal | nn: well you make a joke of me . tldp is the SOURCE ,-) |
| 00:46.39 | nn | chaps0063: fundraiser and security guard |
| 00:46.41 | m4lu6 | ATI says, "go to toshiba for our drivers.", toshitty says, "Linux not supported." |
| 00:46.41 | m4lu6 | hahr |
| 00:47.01 | justin | m4lu6: doesn't mean that it won't work, just that they are stupid |
| 00:47.09 | chaps0063 | nn: cool. |
| 00:47.12 | justin | ati's own drivers work just fine on laptops, they are just too stupid to tell you that |
| 00:47.14 | nn | chaps0063: not really |
| 00:47.15 | chaps0063 | nn: what do you guard? |
| 00:47.27 | nn | chaps0063: wherever the company i work for sends me |
| 00:47.31 | nn | it varies every day |
| 00:47.41 | nn | usually banks, government buildings, etc |
| 00:47.45 | chaps0063 | interesting or no? |
| 00:47.47 | seldon | So...you "guard" stuff and "raise funds" while you're at it? ;P |
| 00:47.50 | nn | chaps0063: Not at all |
| 00:48.03 | Guerin | security guard is one of those 99% boredom, 1% pure terror jobs |
| 00:48.06 | m4lu6 | justin, i'm using the fglrx x driver now, |
| 00:48.07 | nn | seldon: No, day job i'm a Professional Solicitor, nights i'm a security guard |
| 00:48.13 | nn | Guerin: Nawh for me it's 100% boredom |
| 00:48.18 | nn | i never get shot at or get to shoot people |
| 00:48.19 | m4lu6 | just trying to wade through the bog of bullsh*t to get glx working |
| 00:48.25 | Guerin | nn: you're one of the lucky ones, then :) |
| 00:48.41 | glick | yes!!!! |
| 00:48.42 | nn | Guerin: i have kevlar vest + helmet |
| 00:48.44 | glick | it works!!!! |
| 00:48.55 | sparr | Are there any frontends to make apt-get truly stupid-user-friendly? Something as simple as 'pick the game, click install'? |
| 00:48.56 | justin | m4lu6: it pretty much automatically worked on my laptop, just had to add Option "MonitorLayout" "LVDS, AUTO" |
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| 00:48.59 | Guerin | glick: amazing what happens when you follow the instructions. |
| 00:49.03 | nn | a pump 12 guage shotgun, and a .380 semi-auto pistol |
| 00:49.04 | nn | lol |
| 00:49.07 | glick | hehe |
| 00:49.11 | m4lu6 | justin: what laptop you have, and what chipset? |
| 00:49.13 | chaps0063 | nn: and you say it isnt fun. |
| 00:49.14 | nn | it tends to scare off the punk vandal kids :) |
| 00:49.24 | justin | m4lu6: laititude d610, x300 |
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| 00:49.29 | Guerin | sparr: synaptic is pretty idiot-proof |
| 00:49.31 | nn | and the crackheads who want to camp out and smoke crack in the construction areas |
| 00:49.36 | glick | brb |
| 00:49.40 | nn | but the crackheads do sometimes carry guns |
| 00:49.42 | Guerin | nn: nice. |
| 00:49.46 | m4lu6 | hmm. i've got a toshitty crapellite A75, ATI Mobility 9000 |
| 00:49.59 | seldon | What the...? Where the hell is it you're allowed to run around that heavily armed? |
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| 00:50.01 | m4lu6 | justin: what's the "LVDS,AUTO" setting do for you? |
| 00:50.04 | chaps0063 | fujitsu lifebook t4010 here... |
| 00:50.07 | sparr | Guerin: i need "shut the windows users up about how 'hard' apt-get is" |
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| 00:50.11 | Guerin | sounds like the U S of A to me |
| 00:50.14 | nn | Guerin: Oh yea.. trying to buy a house this fall.. so i'm working 2 jobs and going to school, which is why i'm usually cranky when i do find time to IRC |
| 00:50.27 | newcoast | uhg im getting join msg span |
| 00:50.28 | Epilog | need a way to manage all my addressbook, imap mail and notes/calendar both in my home PC with debian and also on work, Outlook/Windows |
| 00:50.28 | mr_XP | Does onyone know how to configure the plugin for firefox to play videos from msn.com? |
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| 00:50.39 | newcoast | get mozplugger |
| 00:50.47 | nn | seldon: that's not heavily armed, i have an ak47, an sks, and a 50 calibre belt-fed at home :) |
| 00:50.47 | Epilog | how can I accomplanish this? (had to close xchat) |
| 00:50.48 | justin | m4lu6: tells it to use the lcd :-) by default you get a black screen because it tries to display to something that doesn't exist(well it may if I hook up a monitor) |
| 00:50.56 | Crell | Epilog: KDE Kontact |
| 00:50.57 | prahal | xst: is your problem solved (or at least have you found the culprit ) ? |
| 00:51.04 | Guerin | mr_XP: they might well be fucked up by activex or jscript |
| 00:51.06 | nn | seldon: i consider my work weaponry and armor to be fairly lightly armed ;) |
| 00:51.11 | m4lu6 | justin, man. that's absurd. |
| 00:51.29 | m4lu6 | my lcd works great. i could give a rats arse about glx, really, but my goal is to get the s-vid out to work |
| 00:51.31 | nn | Epilog: LDAP + imap! :) |
| 00:51.38 | mr_XP | Guerin what exactly do you mean |
| 00:51.44 | m4lu6 | i don't suppose glx would suck, but i don't really need it. |
| 00:51.52 | justin | m4lu6: ah, you probably just need a similar option then |
| 00:51.53 | nn | Epilog: ldap for address book, imap for mail |
| 00:51.55 | m4lu6 | not much need when i spend 99.9% of my time in eclipse |
| 00:51.55 | seldon | nn: That's like...oh man, I don't even know what to call it. |
| 00:51.57 | Guerin | mr_XP: can you give me an example page? |
| 00:52.05 | mr_XP | yes |
| 00:52.08 | mr_XP | wait |
| 00:52.13 | prahal | Crell: is it one of those : http://mxhaard.free.fr/news.html ? |
| 00:52.15 | nn | seldon: I'm going to eventually become a police officer, hoping to do SWAT actually ;) |
| 00:52.19 | Epilog | nn: how and what do I need to get ldap running? tried some months ago with no success |
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| 00:52.27 | nn | either that or go back to the army as an MP |
| 00:52.35 | seldon | Yeah, well. Where I'm from, only the military has that kind of weaponry. |
| 00:52.38 | nn | but my gf doesn't like the thought of that |
| 00:52.46 | nn | seldon: My sympathies |
| 00:52.48 | Guerin | seldon: so you're from someplace civilised, then. |
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| 00:52.51 | mr_XP | Guerin here you go http://video.msn.com/video/req/req.aspx?rq=4&rf=http://www.msn.com/ |
| 00:52.55 | glick | yes!!!!! |
| 00:53.05 | seldon | Nah, just germany. Wouldn't exactly call it civilized. |
| 00:53.10 | nn | Guerin: the problem with gun control of that extent is that since having a gun is a crime, only the criminals will have guns |
| 00:53.11 | prahal | Crell: or http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=Cam though this one may not be up to date |
| 00:53.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:53.13 | Crell | prahal: Doesn't look like it. |
| 00:53.13 | nn | ya know? |
| 00:53.22 | Guerin | nn: don't get me started on gun control. |
| 00:53.24 | eranj | how do I remote control my debian machine? currently without desktop env. |
| 00:53.29 | chaps0063 | what should I have my sources setup as for the 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:53.32 | eranj | meant network control |
| 00:53.36 | chaps0063 | to get the 2.6 kernel that is |
| 00:53.40 | nn | Epilog: checked out the LDAP howto? |
| 00:53.44 | Guerin | nn: your argument is incomplete, but I won't take it on here and now. |
| 00:54.00 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.05 | seldon | nn: Well, it does work, though. Criminals here rarely have guns, because they're so hard to get. |
| 00:54.27 | Guerin | To use MSN Video, you need to install some free software. # HAHAHAHA |
| 00:54.30 | Epilog | nn: think so. I installed horde for web access |
| 00:54.30 | Crell | prahal: Great. I THINK this is a Veo Connect, which is listed as hopeless on the second link. *sigh* |
| 00:54.33 | nn | seldon: right but take a country such as the US where there are so many guns, and you have hell :) |
| 00:54.41 | Epilog | do I also need kolab server? |
| 00:54.50 | Crell | Epilog: Only if you want to use Kolab as your groupware server. |
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| 00:54.58 | nn | Epilog: kolab? wazzat? ldap server should be enough to store the address book fine |
| 00:55.03 | mr_XP | Guerin what free software? |
| 00:55.03 | nn | and an imapd |
| 00:55.26 | Crell | "Groupware" is still an unstable marketing term. :-) |
| 00:55.39 | prahal | Crell: as i told it may not be relevant nowadays |
| 00:55.41 | seldon | nn: It's not like germany always was that peaceful. Remember history class? |
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| 00:55.46 | nn | Epilog: and no i'm not trying to be vague, there's just a half dozen imap servers and a few ldap servers |
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| 00:56.02 | nn | seldon: but germany is very small in size in relation, am i correct? :) |
| 00:56.05 | Crell | prahal: Hm. The first link didn't have it listed at all. There's no way to probe the cam itself and see what it would need? |
| 00:56.08 | Epilog | nn: I already have courier imap with ssl working |
| 00:56.13 | Guerin | mr_XP: it's bullshit. |
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| 00:56.33 | Guerin | mr_XP: from the source of the page you get when you click that link: The MSN Video player requires Internet Explorer script settings to be enable. |
| 00:56.45 | nn | Epilog: cool stuff, i've not actually had to set up ldap, my co-admin got that set up whilest i was setting up our web servers :) |
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| 00:56.49 | eranj | can u please tell me how to control my linux machine over lan? it has no desktop env. |
| 00:56.52 | Guerin | mr_XP: in other words, you need to be running IE to watch video here. |
| 00:56.57 | Guerin | eranj: ssh |
| 00:56.57 | Crell | eranj: ssh |
| 00:56.58 | nn | eranj: ssh! :) |
| 00:56.59 | mikeX | eranj, ssh? |
| 00:57.00 | seldon | I wouldn't call it _very_ small. If I recall correctly, it has one third of US population. |
| 00:57.03 | eranj | sorry. |
| 00:57.07 | nn | seldon: Geographicly :) |
| 00:57.12 | eranj | how do I configure it and stuff? |
| 00:57.14 | raDeon | I WANT SEXY DEBIAN GIRL PICTURE PLSEASE THANKS |
| 00:57.15 | seldon | How does that matter? |
| 00:57.24 | nn | seldon: we've got many people in the middle of nowhere heavily armed |
| 00:57.27 | Guerin | raDeon: http://tubgirl.com |
| 00:57.28 | mikeX | raDeon, erm |
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| 00:57.31 | mr_XP | Guerin that sucks! |
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| 00:57.36 | nn | and if you come to take their guns, they'll kill you before you even get close. |
| 00:57.37 | Guerin | mr_XP: that's MSN for you. |
| 00:57.42 | prahal | Crell: do lsusb and provide the last two set of digits (something like ####:####) |
| 00:57.42 | raDeon | Guerin DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU JUST UNLEASHED TO THE INNOCENT PEOPLE OF #DEBIAN |
| 00:57.43 | dave_ | hi |
| 00:57.45 | glick | xfce4 change my life, before xfce4 i was a shy individual who didnt talk to girls much, now, i have several female friends and everything! |
| 00:57.48 | Guerin | raDeon: yes. |
| 00:57.48 | Epilog | Crell: would outlook work ok with kolab or even phpgw or egw ? |
| 00:57.51 | Crell | raDeon: Google for "BSD chick" |
| 00:57.53 | mikeX | eranj, it doesn't need much configuration (unless you wanna make it more safe) |
| 00:57.58 | raDeon | i want debian chick |
| 00:58.03 | raDeon | are bsd women hotter? |
| 00:58.16 | nn | i had fun with a freebsd girl a while back :) |
| 00:58.18 | r3tr0 | hotter, but carry pitchforks. beware. |
| 00:58.19 | Guerin | hell, it doesn't matter |
| 00:58.19 | eranj | but will i able to control the linux machine after installing a desktop env.? |
| 00:58.23 | nn | but my debian girl was kinkier |
| 00:58.33 | Guerin | computer women are the only ones a fuckd-up loser like you will ever meet |
| 00:58.35 | Crell | Epilog: Outlook works with Kolab with a 3rd party commercial plugin. Personally, though, I wouldn't use Kolab as it looks like a byatch to setup, and docs suck. |
| 00:58.45 | seldon | I never said introducing gun control would be easy, or quickly done. |
| 00:58.52 | glick | Guerin, for god sakes i was kidding |
| 00:58.57 | seldon | Whatever, I guess I'm in no position to judge US lifestyle, so I don't. |
| 00:58.58 | nn | seldon: it'd be about impossible here |
| 00:58.59 | Guerin | glick: not talking to you. |
| 00:59.02 | seldon | It just beweirds me. |
| 00:59.16 | Guerin | nn: i do agree about that, actually. |
| 00:59.28 | nn | seldon: i carry a firearm as i'm legally authorized to do so by permit |
| 00:59.42 | Crell | prahal: 0932:1112, which doesn't show up in the search box for that URL you suggested. |
| 00:59.44 | nn | seldon: and it's a great deterrent to criminals to put a laser dot on their chest or forehead |
| 00:59.58 | nn | but again, i'm becoming a law enforcement officer too |
| 01:00.04 | Guerin | I'm very much an 'anything's possible' kinda guy, but trying to impose gun control on Rural USA would result in a civil war. |
| 01:00.13 | nn | Guerin: Yeup. |
| 01:00.26 | nn | Guerin: i just didnt want to explain the full drawn out point after the other day ;) |
| 01:00.27 | glick | im in favor if citizens havin their guns |
| 01:00.33 | Guerin | nn: that's not to say that gun control, per se, is a bad thing. |
| 01:00.35 | eranj | I want to work on the linux machine over lan as if I'm sitting next to the linux machine. can ssh do it? |
| 01:00.37 | Epilog | Crell: so what do you suggest? to get the contacts, addressbook, mail, etc in both kde and outlook/firefox? |
| 01:00.45 | nn | Guerin: No, just gun control in the US would be :) |
| 01:00.59 | raDeon | HOT DEBIAN GIRLS FOR ME |
| 01:01.01 | nn | Guerin: it's a situation where criminals have easier access to firearms than normal citizens, as is. |
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| 01:01.12 | Crell | Epilog: Any IMAP server will handle the mail just fine, and KMail, Thunderbird, Outlook, and a dozen others speak it just fine. |
| 01:01.25 | nn | Guerin: i could right at this very moment walk less than 2 miles and buy an illegal firearm |
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| 01:01.30 | nn | for under 100$ |
| 01:01.37 | kasper | how do i do a apt-get upgrade but have it upgrade everything but 2 packages? |
| 01:01.38 | Epilog | Crell: and the contacts/extras? |
| 01:01.46 | Crell | The address book, LDAP seems the common recommendation but I've not tried it myself. Need to learn more about it. :-) |
| 01:01.53 | nn | and for under 16$ i can buy a box of armor piercing ammo |
| 01:01.58 | Crell | kasper: Pin those packages. |
| 01:02.02 | Guerin | i'm in favour of citizens treating guns as what they are - tools. In my country, it's easy to own a rifle or a shotgun, practically impossible to own a pistol or any military-style or shortened weapons. The people who need guns can have them, and there's very little gun crime, as long arms aren't much use for it. |
| 01:02.04 | samiam | kasper: youo'll have to "pin" the two you don't want upgraded |
| 01:02.15 | Crell | I forget how to hold and unhold packages off hand... How do I unhold a package that's on hold? :-) |
| 01:02.33 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.34 | nn | ;) |
| 01:02.41 | kasper | pin? what do you mean? |
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| 01:03.21 | seldon | Dammit, hardware router gave in. |
| 01:03.24 | nn | Guerin: gave it to my exgf for self defense purposes after a guy strung out on whatever drugs tried to rob her while driving home from work |
| 01:03.28 | seldon | How much of what I said still arrived? |
| 01:03.32 | akusarujin | r3tr0, still around? |
| 01:03.36 | nn | Guerin: solve the drug problem and the gun problem will follow |
| 01:03.44 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yah? |
| 01:03.59 | akusarujin | r3tr0, cricket is conrolled by a cron job that runs by default every 5 minutes? or am i wrong? |
| 01:04.04 | Guerin | nn: i don't believe that. |
| 01:04.05 | nn | Guerin: in the US 90% of gun crime occurs with illegally obtained firearms, usually obtained via crack dealers |
| 01:04.07 | samiam | kasper: pinning means to keep the package at the same level or untouched from an upgrade |
| 01:04.17 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, /etc/cron.d/cricket |
| 01:04.19 | samiam | kasper: check out this url http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 01:04.34 | akusarujin | r3tr0, is there any way to force it to run? reload cron maybe? |
| 01:04.34 | Guerin | nn: apart from the fact that the 'drug problem' is impossible to 'solve'. |
| 01:04.35 | nn | Guerin: you'll have the occaisonal idiot, but the majority comes from sources outside the legal system for purchasing a firearm |
| 01:04.45 | eranj | how do I restore "locales" to its' default condition? something messed up somehow and there's no default langauage. some conflict between en_us and en_uk (or whatever it's called) |
| 01:04.45 | akusarujin | r3tr0, and where does it store its logs, per se? |
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| 01:05.10 | samiam | kasper: or check out this one... http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html both explain the mechanics behind pinning |
| 01:05.13 | nn | Guerin: Not really, death sentence for possession of crack cocaine, heroin, or methamphetamines would solve it quickly |
| 01:05.15 | Guerin | !log |
| 01:05.15 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 01:05.16 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah... but you don't want to do that... rrd will throw a shitfit |
| 01:05.20 | Crell | prahal: 0932:1112, which doesn't show up in a search for that URL you suggested. |
| 01:05.24 | Guerin | nn: ... |
| 01:05.27 | kasper | ok thanks!!!! |
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| 01:05.30 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: hold on, there's a 'debug' command... lemme look. |
| 01:05.34 | samiam | kasper: you're most welcome |
| 01:05.37 | Guerin | nn: no, it wwouldn't. That would result in civiil war, too. |
| 01:05.38 | akusarujin | r3tr0, so i just let it run and pray for logs? |
| 01:05.52 | seldon | nn, Guerin: Is there an off-topic channel here? I think we're beginning to disrupt the on-topic discussion |
| 01:06.01 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: cricket-compile -loglevel debug (run as root) |
| 01:06.02 | nn | seldon: Apologies |
| 01:06.02 | Guerin | yeah, you're right |
| 01:06.06 | akusarujin | r3tr0, it's setup pretty default-esque right now.. the Defaults file looks as if it should be graphing two lines (in/out for default interface) |
| 01:06.19 | seldon | So...where do we go to continue? |
| 01:06.26 | akusarujin | r3tr0, but it hasn't graphed anything yet, it's been about 10min.. |
| 01:06.29 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: your log failure/successes get dropped into /var/log/cricket/ALL.log (i think...) |
| 01:06.39 | Epilog | nn: do you have the ldap howto? |
| 01:06.41 | eranj | please tell me how to reset locales |
| 01:06.47 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you need to run that compile command, so it rebuilds the query DB |
| 01:06.49 | nn | Epilog: http://www.tldp.org should have one good |
| 01:06.53 | nn | seldon: #gunlaw? :) |
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| 01:07.24 | akusarujin | does this seem good? "[28-May-2005 21:03:50 ] Processed 1 nodes (in 1 files) in 0 seconds." |
| 01:07.26 | seldon | For all I care, ok. Damn, now I'll have to look up how to open an irc channel... ;P |
| 01:07.35 | nn | seldon: /join :) |
| 01:09.00 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, tail -f on /var/log/cricket/ALL.log and see if it worked... (excited) |
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| 01:09.14 | akusarujin | r3tr0, " No ds tag found for target type . " |
| 01:09.20 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you should get a 'retrieved data for' line, and some... |
| 01:09.25 | Jacobo221 | is there any ogg2mp3 command in the debian rep? |
| 01:09.31 | m4lu6 | intriguing. make-kpkg binary dies on docbook? hahar |
| 01:09.56 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: ah. that's ds (data source) for a target... |
| 01:10.01 | m4lu6 | thats a riot |
| 01:10.59 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: set a 'target-type=standard-interface' in the host declaration |
| 01:11.02 | akusarujin | r3tr0, is there something i should change from the default value in "/etc/cricket/config/Defaults"? |
| 01:11.39 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: those get overridden in your host declaration file - so if you specify it it overrides the Default file... |
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| 01:12.02 | akusarujin | r3tr0, where's the declaration file located? |
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| 01:12.58 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: check /usr/share/doc/cricket/examples for examples. i'll see if i can find where i got mine... |
| 01:14.33 | Epilog | nn: tks |
| 01:15.01 | nn | Epilog: np |
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| 01:15.08 | nn | Epilog: http is very slow for some reason for me |
| 01:15.14 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: i'm using the 'systemperf' default file. put it in a subdir as so: /etc/cricket/config/traffic |
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| 01:15.30 | namnar | hello |
| 01:15.31 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: then you put your host declarations in that traffic dir |
| 01:15.44 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: that make sense? |
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| 01:15.59 | akusarujin | r3tr0, so i just need to create that directory, and it picks up anything that's in it? i.e. cp the systemperf file into that directory and i'm good? |
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| 01:16.23 | Dewi | does anybody know why piping tar to openssh or smbclient is bottlenecking at 80kb/s? |
| 01:16.32 | Dewi | is there some way to adjust the buffering of piping to make it less awfully slow? |
| 01:16.37 | mrwill | Dewi: because that's the speed of your connection? |
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| 01:16.49 | Dewi | mrwill: no, if I do put <filename> it's about 100 times faster |
| 01:16.54 | Dewi | than "put -" |
| 01:16.57 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: it'll read /all/ the files in all the subdirs, so cricket style is to create a new file that lists your hosts. so... |
| 01:17.03 | prahal | Crell: your card seems to be a http://www.crescentec.com/products/DC1100/dc1100.htm in the inside (from the lsusb data you provided) |
| 01:17.08 | mrwill | Dewi: 'put' in sftp? |
| 01:17.22 | Dewi | mrwill: sftp won't let me pipe will it? |
| 01:17.26 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: then you'd create a host file that declares a target |
| 01:17.38 | mrwill | Dewi: don't think so, scp might. |
| 01:17.40 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: make sense? |
| 01:17.49 | Dewi | mrwill: ssh does, smbclient does, they both bottleneck at 80kb/s |
| 01:17.50 | akusarujin | r3tr0, the 'host' file you're referring to is the systemperf Defaults file? |
| 01:17.53 | Dewi | mrwill: it's a linux thing |
| 01:17.55 | Crell | prahal: Um, could be. Thanks, how'd you figure that out? And how do I match that up to the right Linux driver? :-) |
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| 01:18.08 | Dewi | mrwill: something must be wrong with the buffering |
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| 01:18.33 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: it'd be another file, call it mySexyServers - and it lists the servers that you want to graph. you might have another one called mySexySwitches... |
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| 01:18.51 | ^^Cub^^ | has anyone had problems setting up PCMCIA cards and kismet? |
| 01:19.01 | r3tr0 | iCub3d: plenty. |
| 01:19.01 | mrwill | Dewi: plausible... maybe you could adjust the block size of tar? have it send larger blocks might equal bigger packets. |
| 01:19.19 | akusarujin | r3tr0, argh, where should these files be located...? /etc/cricket/config/ will house all of the files? systemperf's Defaults and this other file? |
| 01:19.25 | Dewi | mrwill: hmm. maybe. good idea. |
| 01:19.34 | mrwill | Dewi: or smaller blocks might mean more packets... |
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| 01:19.50 | prahal | Crell: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Webcam-HOWTO.html an this howto . I have not found anything yet |
| 01:19.51 | mrwill | Dewi: by default I think it uses 512kb blocks. |
| 01:19.55 | takisd | is it ok to upgrade X from X - should i be changing runlevel (and how do i do this - init 3 doesn't work)??? |
| 01:20.09 | justin | takisd: doesn't matter |
| 01:20.15 | Crell | prahal: Ah ha. This is the actual camera, btw: http://www.veo.com/Velocity_Connect/default.asp |
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| 01:20.25 | Crell | I've found nothing about Linux on their support site so far, naturally. |
| 01:20.35 | takisd | justin: cool, thanks |
| 01:20.41 | Davey|Ubuntu | where is the preferred third party binary install path? (like say, OOo2) |
| 01:20.45 | justin | takisd: if you are using xdm and upgrade that it may kill your session, but nothing will break |
| 01:20.51 | prahal | Crell: in ####:#### the first number is the producer (http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids) |
| 01:20.53 | justin | Davey|Ubuntu: /opt/ |
| 01:21.02 | Guerin | Davey|Ubuntu: google 'filesystem hierarchy' |
| 01:21.02 | Davey|Ubuntu | justin: OK, I thought so, /opt/bin ? |
| 01:21.10 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: sorry. wish i could use hand-motions... let me try again... |
| 01:21.12 | takisd | justin: using gdm, upgrading x-window-system and some other bits |
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| 01:21.41 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: make a subdirectory under /etc/cricket/config - put that systemperf default file in it. |
| 01:21.41 | Crell | Hey neato! |
| 01:21.56 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yep, that's done |
| 01:22.02 | Azar | good day honorables |
| 01:23.00 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: then make another file in that subdirectory, and that's where you declare the host(s) you want to poll - so you'd say something like (format appropriately): target server target-type=standard-interface server=192.168.0.X |
| 01:23.15 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: (insert newlines as apropos) |
| 01:23.26 | Azar | now I understand why they say woody is more stable, more secure: |
| 01:23.29 | Azar | Device driver flaws can be more dangerous than other application vulnerabilities because device drivers are, in most cases, part of the kernel itself and subverting the critical software gives an attacker direct access to the kernel. Moreover, drivers that have direct memory access (DMA) -- such as USB drivers, CardBus drivers, graphics drivers and sound drivers -- could be used to overwrite system memory and exploit the system. |
| 01:23.51 | akusarujin | r3tr0, are there example hosts files somewhere? |
| 01:24.42 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: i'll put one up. un moment. |
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| 01:24.52 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i appreciate it |
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| 01:25.41 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: http://debian.coreds.net/cricket.conf |
| 01:25.41 | MrKeuner | ogmrip has 3 binaries should I select multiple binaries in dh_make when compiling ogmrip? |
| 01:25.45 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i can name this host file whatever i want? this seems awfully weird |
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| 01:26.02 | raDeon | WHO IS HOT DEBIAN WOMAN |
| 01:26.18 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yep. you can name it 'server' if it makes you feel better. ;) |
| 01:26.24 | raDeon | WHO IS DEBIAN WOMAN |
| 01:26.27 | Guerin | !ops send raDeon to /dev/null |
| 01:26.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: send raDeon to /dev/null |
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| 01:26.41 | cyborg1st | is this the right place to get help on Gnomemeeting on Sarge? |
| 01:26.44 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: i fought with the damn thing for like a week before it started making sense. |
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| 01:26.48 | akusarujin | r3tr0, so how does it know the difference between a host file and a file that actually says which data to pull? |
| 01:26.55 | Guerin | cyborg1st: yup |
| 01:26.59 | Guerin | herbi: cheers :) |
| 01:27.02 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:27.06 | Guerin | helix: cheers :) |
| 01:27.10 | helix | :) |
| 01:27.10 | Azar | hi Guerin :) |
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| 01:27.19 | Guerin | Azar: sup. |
| 01:27.48 | quittt | how do I check my reiserfs? |
| 01:27.57 | Azar | Guerin, a little confused not sure if to try alsa again or not |
| 01:28.05 | Guerin | quittt: reiserfsck? |
| 01:28.10 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: it's sort of just convention, as i understand it. you put the mibs you want to poll in your Defaults file, and how you'll want them graphed (thats the dataSource and graph sections) |
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| 01:28.28 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: then you say /who/ you want to poll in your hosts files. |
| 01:28.36 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: or, that's how i do it. ;) |
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| 01:28.56 | GregM | hi is anyone aware of a bug in when upgrading form woody kernel to sarge in regard to xserver " failed to load xie(moudule does not exist) failed to load module "pex5" module doesnot exist?? |
| 01:28.58 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: once you see the cgi script output it'll start to make sense. |
| 01:29.27 | Crell | OK, I'm fairly sure I'm going to have to compile some new kernel modules for this. |
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| 01:29.43 | Crell | The question is which. I guess I can compile the entire V4L tree, but that seems a waste. |
| 01:29.47 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you done with that example config? |
| 01:29.55 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah |
| 01:30.12 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: k. thanks. (p00f) |
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| 01:30.57 | glick | hot damn my desktop rox! |
| 01:31.01 | liable | GregM: what have you done? upgraded the whole system? |
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| 01:31.53 | akusarujin | r3tr0, so i have /etc/cricket/config/systemperf/defaults and /etc/cricket/config/systemperf/targets ... targets is the example file you showed, unmodified for now .. target-name is setting what, exactly? |
| 01:32.05 | akusarujin | er, target-type rather |
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| 01:32.41 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: that's pointing to a declaration in the /etc/cricket/config/systemperf/defaults (whew) file, that says what you want graphed, and how |
| 01:32.56 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: i.e. ifInOctets, in green. |
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| 01:33.43 | GregM | liable : did an apt-get dist-upgrade x works with the 2.4.28 kernel i installed with but not the 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 01:33.54 | idealbsd | where to get vfork.h, i compiled badwm package but can't use it, which is always broken? |
| 01:34.04 | glick | excuse me i dont get why when i go to www.xchat.org i cant see the writting |
| 01:34.16 | glick | the author of the page must have put white text on white background |
| 01:34.18 | glick | or is that just me |
| 01:34.20 | akusarujin | r3tr0, so if the file said "graph ucd_rawCpuIdle" i could say target-type=ucd_rawCpuIdle? |
| 01:34.23 | glick | can someone check for me with mozilla |
| 01:35.03 | glick | i mean firefox |
| 01:35.14 | glick | can someone check www.xchat.org with firefox for me? |
| 01:35.18 | akusarujin | r3tr0, or would i say target-type=ucd_Storage in that case, coming from the targetType 'definition'? |
| 01:35.36 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: for now, just use a predefined targetType like ucd_System |
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| 01:35.42 | glick | all other pages seem to display correctly |
| 01:35.48 | glick | so i was just wonderin if it ws me or the page |
| 01:35.52 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: storage is for disks |
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| 01:36.27 | liable | glick: works here |
| 01:36.59 | prahal | Crell: http://groups.google.fr/group/novell.support.suse.linux.professional/browse_thread/thread/838c8a92b5e84cd4/1348c677f8d385c4?q=Crescentec+linux+webcam&rnum=1&hl=fr#1348c677f8d385c4 show the same process for the http://www.sweex.com/product.asp?pid=280 (the name the webcam is branded does not tell the chip inside - which does the real proessing). A lot of "manufacturer" just buy the cam to a few makers |
| 01:37.00 | liable | GregM: strange, the error occurs when you startx eh? |
| 01:37.08 | akusarujin | r3tr0, okay, so i can say target --default-- // target-type=ucd_System // display-name="%server% system" // server=dnsname |
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| 01:37.18 | akusarujin | r3tr0, where dnsname is the name of the machine in the local dns |
| 01:37.57 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah... there was something about having the /etc/hosts file vs DNS, but i forget what it was. give it a shot (don't forget to compile it) and see what the logs say. |
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| 01:38.10 | GregM | liable: yup.. bit on google about it but coulndt find a solution. might try another kernel |
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| 01:38.22 | Crell | prahal: Hm, thanks. Let me see what I can find on that model. |
| 01:38.28 | akusarujin | r3tr0, looks good! i use a local dns (bind) for everything as far as naming goes locally and wan |
| 01:38.43 | liable | GregM: yup, never heard of that, try re-installing it maybe? |
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| 01:39.14 | akusarujin | r3tr0, now what are the other targets you set in yours? "netscreen-net-trusted" is that just an "alias" for each target? |
| 01:39.39 | Crell | I find even less. Of course. :-) |
| 01:39.42 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: those 'inst' lines are 'instances' that point to other interfaces - in this case trusted/dmz/untrusted |
| 01:39.54 | quittt | help me... how do I check my reiserfs partition since it is the LINUX partition? |
| 01:40.02 | m4lu6 | hmm |
| 01:40.12 | Guerin | quittt: i fucking told you. |
| 01:40.14 | m4lu6 | wmcpuload can't see my pseudo-cpus |
| 01:40.23 | m4lu6 | (hyperthreaded) ... i should go and fix that. |
| 01:40.36 | Guerin | quittt: but don't get your hopes up - ricerfs doesn't have a functional fsck. |
| 01:40.37 | Crell | quittt: Boot to a bootable CD and use partition checking tools from there. |
| 01:40.38 | akusarujin | r3tr0, you "name" your interfaces? is this within snmp or within cricket? |
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| 01:40.39 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: if you do an snmpwalk and grep for ifDesc it'll tell you what the inst-to-eth mapping is for your box. was that scrutable? |
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| 01:40.53 | namnar | hello |
| 01:41.23 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: cricket. snmp will just dump the data for all your eths - you have to tell cricket what to pay attention to. |
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| 01:42.05 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: that 'server=' line says 'poll the netscreen till i tell you differently'. |
| 01:42.18 | liable | GregM: http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox-tech/2004-08/msg00316.html seems they are old modules no longer used |
| 01:42.30 | m4lu6 | bloody odd. i can see it using proc/stat ... cpu0 and 1 are present. bad. bad c. |
| 01:42.57 | akusarujin | r3Fl3X, so i need to set those instances? |
| 01:43.09 | glick | hey when i compile a new kernel do i really have to create a ram disk of it using mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.11-9 2.6.11-9 i? |
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| 01:43.19 | EvanCarroll | glick: no. |
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| 01:43.53 | Guerin | !wayc glick |
| 01:43.54 | dpkg | glick: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:44.00 | EvanCarroll | glick: you don't have two, you can either bake in what the kernel will need and have it boot, or have neither initrd or baked in modules and it won't boot =D |
| 01:44.05 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: standard-interface wants an inst number, but some queries don't. like, it wouldn't make sense to query inst 2 load levels on a single CPU machine... |
| 01:44.11 | Guerin | glick: you are about the last person who should be uilding a linux kernel. |
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| 01:44.48 | daesotho | so afaik in order for dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure xserver-xfree86, something about the right md5sum in /var/lib/dpkg/info? But then I go to /var/lib/dpkg/info and grep XF86Config-4 *, and don't find an md5sum for /etc/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:45.04 | EvanCarroll | !x md5sum |
| 01:45.04 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 01:45.06 | Guerin | daesotho: it's generated at install time. |
| 01:45.08 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: seriously, don't pay attention to that stuff - get it working and /then/ read the manual. |
| 01:45.17 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: ;) |
| 01:45.25 | ixi | Hi, anybody knows what is "businesscard CD image" here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 01:45.28 | akusarujin | r3tr0, that's what i'd like to do |
| 01:45.40 | Guerin | ixi: a ver minimal installer |
| 01:45.42 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i'd really like to see ifInOctets and ifOutOctets |
| 01:45.49 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i.e. the default file |
| 01:45.58 | Guerin | ixi: use it if you know your network devices are supported by debian kernels |
| 01:45.59 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: just set it to poll inst 0 and comment out the other junk. |
| 01:46.05 | daesotho | ooh /var/lib/xfree86, my mistake |
| 01:46.11 | daesotho | thanks guys |
| 01:46.12 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: oops - off by one - inst 1 |
| 01:46.28 | akusarujin | r3tr0, comments in target files? # i'm guessing? |
| 01:46.40 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: your log file should tell you that it got an snmp result... and then it's time for a beer. |
| 01:46.59 | glick | what do you mean by bake in the modules? hard compile them in |
| 01:47.10 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, cricket is perl, it's hashes and backticks all the way |
| 01:47.27 | ixi | Guerin: ok, thanks |
| 01:47.30 | r3tr0 | glick: you know, with a lightbulb and a bit of love. |
| 01:47.43 | glick | Guerin, im compiling cause i know the hardware of my laptop, also stock kernels do not support the non standard controller chip in my external fuzzy harddrive |
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| 01:48.04 | akusarujin | r3tr0, how often is that god-forsaken log updated? |
| 01:48.12 | akusarujin | r3tr0, 5 minutes? |
| 01:48.26 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, it's something ungodly long and hard to change. |
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| 01:48.33 | Guerin | glick: you need to build in anything you need to boot. root filesystem, root device interface, etc. If you don't build those in, you need an initrd. |
| 01:48.44 | glick | Guerin, ahh |
| 01:48.45 | glick | ok |
| 01:48.51 | Guerin | glick: also /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 01:48.54 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you have to change the poll interval in like, at LEAST 3 places in the code to modify it. |
| 01:48.55 | glick | yeah its got everythin it needs built in |
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| 01:49.25 | Guerin | built in == not built as a module |
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| 01:49.50 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you can hand run it... just don't panic when rrdtool starts telling you that you can't double-poll things. (grin) |
| 01:50.08 | jim | == actually in the vmlinuz file |
| 01:50.17 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i'll pass.. in the meantime this targets file is annoying me again |
| 01:50.43 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: what's up? |
| 01:50.43 | Azar | hi jim :) |
| 01:50.50 | liable | GregM: out of interest, what happens if you do apt-get install x-window-system? or aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 01:50.53 | jim | hiya :) |
| 01:51.43 | akusarujin | r3tr0, okay, using the Defaults file that comes with cricket (because it has ifInOctets and ifOutOctets)... it has: targetType --default-- ...does that mean i set target-type=--default--? |
| 01:52.07 | Azar | Guerin, I just noticed that when I get a precompiled kernel, I do not see the options in the modconf whether to pick as M or builtin modules as opposed to compiling your own kernel.... |
| 01:52.40 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: where are you seeing that line again? |
| 01:52.50 | Guerin | Azar: what? |
| 01:53.10 | akusarujin | r3Fl3X, in the Defaults file: targetType --default-- // rra = "5minAve, 30minAve, 2hrAve, 2hrMax, 1dayAve, 1dayMax" |
| 01:53.10 | jim | you wouldn't see that in modconf until you actually are running the kernel |
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| 01:53.52 | Azar | Guerin last week I picked an official Kernel , precompiled and I did not see how would I be able to hmmm bleh, I do not know what I am talking about |
| 01:54.03 | liable | hahaha |
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| 01:54.14 | JeffATL | if all i want to do is make boot, root, and driver disks, do i need just the first CD of the ~14? |
| 01:54.28 | Guerin | Azar: no, you don't. |
| 01:54.29 | JeffATL | boot, root, and driver flopies, rather |
| 01:54.42 | Azar | Guerin I guess I grew tired of installations and kernels |
| 01:54.46 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i think i get the general concept of this, if i'm right with what i said |
| 01:55.06 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: black magic there... you want the targetTypes defined in the default file in the same dir as your host file, not above... |
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| 01:55.19 | liable | JeffATL: why not just get the images from debian? |
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| 01:55.33 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: the defaults get inherited down the tree... |
| 01:55.45 | Epilog | nn: how do I add a user to my ldap? to store contacts? |
| 01:55.53 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: that is, the systemperf default file |
| 01:55.54 | akusarujin | well, here's what i have now: /etc/cricket/config/defaults /etc/cricket/config/targets |
| 01:56.11 | akusarujin | i tossed systemperf into another directory while i try to get this one working, for safekeeping :p |
| 01:56.28 | Gumby` | I'm working on getting transcode to work and its throwing me the following error "(aud_aux.c) Error: Lame encoding error: (-3: lame_init_params() not called)" I have lame and liblame0 installed. Anyone have any ideas what I might need? |
| 01:56.41 | renegad3 | anyone know how to resolve this issue? --> "KMail could not create folder '$HOME/Mail';" I have googled a bit, couldnt find much on it. |
| 01:57.02 | bohan | hi, i'm building a package in two steps, first calling dpkg-source -b and then dpkg-buildpackage -b, but doing so, the source package doesn't appear in the .changes file, and the .dsc files isn't signed. is there a way i can tell dpkg-buildpackage to include the source, but not build the tarball? |
| 01:57.06 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: ungh... you overwrote the original /etc/cricket/config/Defaults file, or you have two in there? |
| 01:57.21 | JeffATL | liable: i'm liable to have to go back again and again to get this that and the other; I need to be able to bring my ethernet, SCSI, and SCSI CD-ROM to life from floppies |
| 01:57.21 | renegad3 | it happens every time I launch kmail, and I cant get passed that error... |
| 01:57.28 | akusarujin | r3tr0, that defaults file is still there, untouched.. completely untouched |
| 01:57.42 | akusarujin | r3tr0, beside it, sits another file, "targets" where i'm trying to use the Defaults file |
| 01:58.03 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: ah. okay. here - create a subdir /etc/cricket/config/traffic |
| 01:58.16 | akusarujin | oh, it can't be in the same dir? |
| 01:58.16 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: put the targets file and the systemperf file in that subdir |
| 01:58.20 | Guerin | renegad3: does that folder exist? |
| 01:58.31 | Guerin | renegad3: and is $HOME set correctly? |
| 01:58.40 | renegad3 | Guerin, yes |
| 01:58.55 | Guerin | yes to which question? |
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| 01:59.18 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you're going to rename the systemperf file to 'Defaults' in that subdirectory... |
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| 01:59.30 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: then everything is all pretty. ;) |
| 02:00.13 | akusarujin | r3tr0, whoa whoa.. what's the structure you're referring to, relative to: /etc/cricket/config/? |
| 02:00.32 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i'm guessing you mean, systemperf/Defaults systemperf/Targets? |
| 02:00.54 | akusarujin | r3tr0, and i'm guessing i can't specify the targets within the "root" config/ dir? |
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| 02:01.27 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: /etc/cricket/config/traffic should have the systemperf file in it, and your target file - it's a leaf node |
| 02:01.51 | jim | what does modconf read? /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf? and output of ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)? |
| 02:01.54 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i wasn't using systemperf's defaults though :( |
| 02:01.59 | renegad3 | Guerin, well this is only happening since I downgraded from kde 3.4 back to 3.3... where could I find that $HOME is set correctly? I just did a "echo $HOME" and it shows '/home/me' |
| 02:02.00 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: just leave the /etc/cricket/config dir as you found it, and do all your work below. |
| 02:02.07 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i was actually using the actual Default defaults file |
| 02:02.12 | Guerin | renegad3: that's correct. |
| 02:02.14 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 02:02.16 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: B0nK |
| 02:02.21 | Guerin | renegad3: try moving the dir outta the way |
| 02:02.25 | akusarujin | r3tr0, can't do that? |
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| 02:02.47 | renegad3 | Guerin, you mean, try moving my Mail dir out... |
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| 02:02.51 | Guerin | renegad3: I bet the 3.4 version changes something which the 3.3 version can't understand |
| 02:02.51 | msg43 | hi |
| 02:02.54 | Guerin | renegad3: yes. |
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| 02:03.04 | renegad3 | Guerin, ok kewl, I will give it a go |
| 02:03.06 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you can, but the systemperf file has got everything you need in it. the default file in cricket/config is general, high level stuff... |
| 02:03.16 | msg43 | I was wondering are there any hot chick that use linux? |
| 02:03.41 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you'd use it if you were graphing a nonstandard device - systemperf has all the nice tools for doing a simple little linux host running snmpd |
| 02:03.43 | JeffATL | i've seen one |
| 02:03.46 | Guerin | msg43: no, birds can't use computers. |
| 02:03.48 | akusarujin | r3tr0, so the systemperf file could display my bandwidth usage in whatever/sec? |
| 02:03.48 | JeffATL | in person |
| 02:03.58 | msg43 | Guerin, let me rephrase |
| 02:04.04 | Guerin | msg43: no, i won't. |
| 02:04.05 | msg43 | I was wondering are there any hot woman that use linux? |
| 02:04.11 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you betcha. that's what standard-interface (defined in systemperf) describes. |
| 02:04.16 | ahammond | msg43: I'm dating one |
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| 02:04.22 | ahammond | msg43: you may now envy me |
| 02:04.28 | msg43 | ahammond, you have pic |
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| 02:04.30 | Guerin | msg43: yes, there are many, and you will never meet any of them. |
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| 02:04.37 | Guerin | fucking idiot |
| 02:04.47 | ahammond | ha ha ha |
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| 02:04.51 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: okay, i'm a moron - it's not described there. d'oh |
| 02:04.55 | msg43 | sorry but what did i do wrong? |
| 02:05.02 | caphuso | *sigh* |
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| 02:05.05 | ahammond | sure I have a pic, but she's my freaking gf. I'm not sending you wank bait. |
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| 02:05.12 | prahal | Crell: one last thing :) could you give the whole line about your cam from lsub and the result of cat /proc/bus/usb/devices in #flood ? I will add it to http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ |
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| 02:05.17 | renegad3 | Guerin, nah, same thing, I moved Mail... :( bah /me will research some more... thanks for your help |
| 02:05.18 | bohan | is there a debian channel more dedicated to development? |
| 02:05.20 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: but it /does/ describe stuff like load level |
| 02:05.20 | mrplum | jees |
| 02:05.29 | mrplum | we need a Debian dating channel I guess |
| 02:05.38 | Guerin | renegad3: this is why downgrades hurt. |
| 02:05.41 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: sorry to be so confusing. |
| 02:05.52 | Crell | prahal: lsusb says: Bus 001 Device 012: ID 0932:1112 Crescentec Corp. |
| 02:05.58 | akusarujin | r3tr0, you're helpping a lot more than confusing, it weighs out :) |
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| 02:06.04 | renegad3 | Guerin, lol yes.... it was so stupid of me to think of upgrading any way... it was peer presure ;) |
| 02:06.06 | akusarujin | helping * |
| 02:06.06 | Guerin | mrplum: yeah, because THAT'd be a great place to go meet people. |
| 02:06.21 | Crell | The other, uh, let me pastebin it. :-) |
| 02:06.24 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: just wait till i start flapping my arms... BRB |
| 02:06.50 | caphuso | Guerin: you could get to learn me, in all my great friendliness and stuff ;-) |
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| 02:07.21 | Guerin | caphuso: heh. |
| 02:07.53 | Crell | prahal: Do you want the entire output, or just the block relating to that device? |
| 02:08.34 | Azar | hmm intel chips to implement ms's DRM, luckily I never liked Intel |
| 02:08.40 | akusarujin | r3tr0, crap.. what should "target" (not target-type) be set to ? it's set to --default-- |
| 02:08.52 | Guerin | yeah, fuck intel. Again. |
| 02:09.17 | ahammond | Guerin: that's easy enough to do: buy AMD |
| 02:09.29 | caphuso | except that AMD is going to do the same |
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| 02:09.34 | Azar | I was just wondering, if Intel implements DRM, would linux run on them? |
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| 02:09.48 | Azar | caphuso, really? |
| 02:10.02 | Azar | it will be a big dissapointment |
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| 02:10.19 | caphuso | Azar: of course |
| 02:10.21 | kestas | can anyone please tell me why this [ http://pastebin.com/291517 ] happens? |
| 02:10.43 | Guerin | AMD are charter members of the TCG or whatever it's called |
| 02:10.50 | prahal | Crell: if you know how to cut it let s do the job :) |
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| 02:10.54 | JeffATL | liable: so am i right, CD1 will get me there? |
| 02:10.58 | caphuso | Azar: check e.g. http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/33047.pdf |
| 02:10.59 | Crell | prahal: http://channels.debian.net/paste/169 |
| 02:11.04 | Guerin | just stockpile opterons and motherboards |
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| 02:11.15 | Crell | That's just one device. I figured the block about my ZIP drive wasn't much help. :-) |
| 02:11.21 | liable | JeffATL: yes, but here, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc3/images/floppy/ |
| 02:11.22 | Azar | caphuso I do not have pdf, I did not reinstall X |
| 02:11.30 | ahammond | Guerin: well... you'll get bit there |
| 02:11.34 | Guerin | Azar: apt-get install pdftotext |
| 02:11.39 | Guerin | ahammond: ? |
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| 02:11.51 | m4lu6 | joy. fglrx won't compile against 2.6.11-10 ... wunderbar |
| 02:11.59 | ahammond | Guerin: those Celestica A8440's for example. You know, the "Ultimate Linux Box" last year? |
| 02:12.03 | Azar | that is a miracle, I will just do that right now, does it require a higher-than 2.4.x kernel? |
| 02:12.05 | caphuso | pdftotext is part of xpdf |
| 02:12.07 | Guerin | ahammond: don't remember them. |
| 02:12.12 | Guerin | oh, my bad |
| 02:12.14 | Azar | oh |
| 02:12.16 | Azar | its ok |
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| 02:12.21 | ahammond | Guerin: c'mon. cover of LJ something like 3 times? |
| 02:12.22 | liable | JeffATL: thats for i386 |
| 02:12.23 | JeffATL | liable: thanks a lot - i'd be hunting around for while trying to fid those, i imagine. those drivers can bring up scsi? |
| 02:12.28 | Guerin | pdftk should also have a plaintext gadget in it |
| 02:12.41 | ahammond | Guerin: well... turns out they're not so good. |
| 02:12.41 | Guerin | ahammond: i don't read much geek news, sorry. |
| 02:12.44 | Crell | prahal: Anything else I can do to help, either to get my setup working or to help the "Get stuff working" effort? :-) |
| 02:13.03 | Guerin | ahammond: what does this have to do with opterons and motherboards being stockpiled for the future? |
| 02:13.04 | ahammond | Guerin: stockpiling a bunch of them would leave you up the creek, without a budget. |
| 02:13.07 | liable | JeffATL: I would imagine so, check out the installation manual |
| 02:13.31 | ahammond | Guerin: have you every actually bought an Opteron? heck, even seen one in real life? |
| 02:13.34 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: how's the log file look? |
| 02:13.49 | ahammond | Guerin: Celestica was the first quad opteron platform and the most commercially successful. |
| 02:14.04 | JeffATL | liable: you mean http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#install? |
| 02:14.11 | kestas | can anyone please tell me why this [ http://pastebin.com/291517 ] happens? |
| 02:14.13 | kestas | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.15 | akusarujin | r3tr0, spectacular: [28-May-2005 22:10:02*] Received SNMP response with error code noSuchName. OID: 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.17.1 |
| 02:14.16 | ahammond | Guerin: so, finding out that their box is not so hot would be somewhat relevant to someone planning to stockpile. |
| 02:14.17 | Guerin | ahammond: your point is unrelated to mine. |
| 02:14.23 | akusarujin | r3tr0, :'( |
| 02:14.36 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: checking databank... |
| 02:14.49 | Guerin | ahammond: i'm not talking about stockpiling quad boxen... I'm talking about stockpiling known-functional hardware. |
| 02:14.55 | ahammond | Guerin: ok, I'll make it simple enough for you to understand. stockpiling is a moronic idea |
| 02:15.09 | Guerin | ahammond: you haven't given me any reason to believe this. |
| 02:15.09 | akusarujin | r3tr0, what should i call those things you called "netscreen-net-trusted" and such? anything i feel like? how do i know what inst(1) and inst(2) are? |
| 02:15.14 | liable | JeffATL: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 02:15.18 | ahammond | Guerin: "known-functional" hardware is hardware that operations guys haven't discovered a bug in, or which is so damn old as to be obsolete |
| 02:15.42 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you can call them whatever makes sense for that interface - the inst number is what the ifDesc maps to... |
| 02:15.49 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 02:15.57 | Guerin | we're arguing entirely at cross-purposes here |
| 02:16.11 | liable | JeffATL: erm, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ |
| 02:16.14 | ahammond | Guerin: this is #debian after all. :) |
| 02:16.16 | akusarujin | r3tr0, where's the ifDef? (sorry) |
| 02:16.28 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: do an 'snmpwalk -c public -v1 <hostname> | grep ifDesc | less' and that will give you the inst-to-eth mapping |
| 02:16.53 | Guerin | IF, in the future, there is no option but to buy 'trusted' hardware, a stockpile of anything - even pentium 3s - will be a really, really good thing to have. |
| 02:17.17 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: whoops... on second thought, skip the 'grep' |
| 02:17.20 | akusarujin | r3tr0, no results |
| 02:17.23 | Azar | Guerin has a point: I shiver thinking to buy a DRM enabled cpu |
| 02:17.33 | Guerin | i just won't buy one |
| 02:17.34 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, my bad, snmpwalk spits out a LOT of data... |
| 02:17.45 | akusarujin | r3tr0, not here :/ |
| 02:17.56 | akusarujin | r3tr0, maybe 20 lines or so |
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| 02:18.07 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: no ifDesc lines? |
| 02:18.10 | z3r3lk | hi |
| 02:18.10 | akusarujin | none |
| 02:18.13 | z3r3lk | i have a question |
| 02:18.29 | Guerin | z3r3lk: that's nice |
| 02:18.31 | z3r3lk | im trying to run a script for ipv6 from singnet |
| 02:18.37 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: okay... one moment... |
| 02:18.43 | z3r3lk | but it says i dont have ip |
| 02:18.49 | z3r3lk | app |
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| 02:19.09 | z3r3lk | for ip link etc |
| 02:19.22 | z3r3lk | what is the .deb that have it? |
| 02:19.27 | Azar | excuse my noobnes but IPv6 .. don't they have another way of assigning numbers? |
| 02:19.34 | akusarujin | r3tr0, "sysORDescr"? |
| 02:19.51 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: what about 'snmpwalk -c public -v1 localhost 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.2'? |
| 02:20.03 | z3r3lk | thats to create an ipv6 tunnel |
| 02:20.08 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: (for 'localhost' - your host) |
| 02:20.28 | akusarujin | r3tr0, no dice |
| 02:20.34 | Guerin | furrywolf: dogcatchers got you again? |
| 02:20.54 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: sheesh. alright - let me see if i've dicked with my snmpd.conf in some halfassed manner... |
| 02:21.09 | akusarujin | r3tr0, it's fine, you're the one helping me :) |
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| 02:22.01 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you're using the standard debian snmpd? |
| 02:22.12 | akusarujin | r3tr0, you guessed it :) |
| 02:22.15 | furrywolf | Guerin: biked the paved parts of the first leg of the kinetic sculpture race, and dragged the bike through the sand on the non-paved parts... |
| 02:22.15 | z3r3lk | for instance if i want to set sit0 i use 'ip link set sit0 up`' |
| 02:22.39 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: k... i don't see any special config that i mucked with... let me craft an 'snmpget' line for you... |
| 02:22.41 | akusarujin | r3tr0, at one point, this was working :D ... then i moved the file i was using (your config) .. but it's moved back now, so i don't get what's different |
| 02:22.51 | z3r3lk | and what i need is the 'ip' |
| 02:23.13 | Guerin | furrywolf: hah |
| 02:23.18 | karsten | furrywolf: Remember, when you're the lead dog, you have to _outrun_ the pack. |
| 02:23.27 | karsten | Guerin: pong |
| 02:23.36 | prahal | Crell: yes though not much i can help you to do . I found this project http://mxhaard.free.fr/index.html quite skillfull and supporting new webcams quite often. Emailing them and reading their howto help them (or elp you ) to support your webcam |
| 02:23.41 | Guerin | karsten: got mail? |
| 02:23.42 | furrywolf | karsten: I'm not a competitor... might enter next year though. |
| 02:23.55 | karsten | Guerin: Lots. Anything specific? |
| 02:23.56 | furrywolf | Anyone have a pile of variable displacement hydraulic pumps they want to part with cheaply? |
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| 02:24.15 | Guerin | karsten: something about hanmail... |
| 02:24.18 | Crell | prahal: Thanks, I'll do. I hope they have an English version, my french is a bit rusty. :-) |
| 02:24.23 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: does 'snmpget -c public -v1 localhost 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.2.1' give you anything? |
| 02:24.35 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah. I had no idea who that was and replied with something snarky. |
| 02:24.37 | karsten | Guerin: gmail? |
| 02:24.41 | Guerin | yeah |
| 02:24.44 | akusarujin | Error in packet |
| 02:24.44 | akusarujin | Reason: (noSuchName) There is no such variable name in this MIB. |
| 02:24.46 | akusarujin | :) |
| 02:25.11 | Guerin | karsten: oh, it seems my gmail auto-forwarder ain't working, then :) |
| 02:25.24 | karsten | Guerin: Doh. The name didn't register. |
| 02:25.29 | furrywolf | 4 hours of hiking/biking, with occasional "rests" to help people push their sculptures up the hills. |
| 02:25.36 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: wow. cool. |
| 02:25.43 | nn | sculptures up a hill? wtf |
| 02:25.52 | karsten | Guerin: Good news is that my spam filters *didn't* eat it ;-) |
| 02:25.55 | furrywolf | !google kinetic sculpture race |
| 02:25.56 | Guerin | karsten: sorry. Was just for interest value :) |
| 02:25.56 | lanchow | Results for kinetic sculpture race on Google: |
| 02:25.56 | lanchow | http://www.<b>kinetic</b><b>sculpture</b><b>race</b>.org/ |
| 02:25.59 | akusarujin | r3tr0, rofl. |
| 02:26.02 | dpkg | Google says kinetic sculpture race is at http://www.kineticsculpturerace.org/ or http://www.kineticsculpturerace.org/museum/ or http://www.kineticsculpturerace.org/about.shtml or http://kineticsculpturerace.org/ or http://www.humguide.com/kinetic/ |
| 02:26.03 | Guerin | karsten: haha |
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| 02:26.12 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, I get some random spam fanmail occasionally. |
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| 02:26.22 | furrywolf | lanchow: your bot is broken. turn it off. |
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| 02:26.27 | nn | i tend to get hatemail |
| 02:26.34 | Rawplayer | OK |
| 02:26.40 | akusarujin | r3tr0, can you put up your /etc/cricket/config/Defaults file? so i can diff with it? maybe i umphed something up on accident |
| 02:26.40 | furrywolf | nn: go there. :) |
| 02:26.44 | karsten | Guerin: I mean, it's not the biggest perk on the planet, but hey, I'm not in a position to choose ATM. |
| 02:26.53 | nn | furrywolf: I shall shortly :) my debian box has weird connectivity issues |
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| 02:27.02 | Guerin | karsten: one takes what one can get. |
| 02:27.02 | fhffhqvb | !seen bunnehs |
| 02:27.02 | dpkg | fhffhqvb: i haven't seen 'bunnehs' |
| 02:27.03 | nn | Initiating a tcp or udp connection takes forever |
| 02:27.09 | nn | even by IP |
| 02:27.13 | nn | but once it's connected, great speeds |
| 02:27.17 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: hold on, i'll tar the whole damn tree... |
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| 02:28.20 | karsten | Guerin: strewth. |
| 02:28.25 | Guerin | karsten: so it looks like inability to maintain a MTA runs both ways... let spam out, don't let legitimate mail in. Who'd have thought :) |
| 02:28.32 | phaedrus_ | hey wusssup |
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| 02:28.54 | Guerin | *** wusssup: No such nick |
| 02:29.17 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: whoops! (blows out his own ~/etc directory)... heh. thank god for version control... un moment... |
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| 02:29.36 | karsten | Guerin: Not terribly surprising. One apparent problem is a shortage of english-speaking admins. They really *can't* R TFM. |
| 02:30.06 | akusarujin | r3tr0, version control on your etc/ tree? obscure :p |
| 02:30.19 | furrywolf | I want to make my sculpture use a hydraulic drive train... problem is, to do it the way I want, I need at least 2, preferably 4, variable displacement hydraulic pumps, with displacement variable all the way down to zero. |
| 02:30.23 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: no no no my friend, insanely useful. |
| 02:30.35 | akusarujin | r3tr0, vesion control with /what/ ? |
| 02:31.24 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: one moment. the retro requires concentration so i don't have to do another checkout... |
| 02:32.12 | akusarujin | no prob |
| 02:32.19 | Guerin | karsten: yeah. |
| 02:32.53 | furrywolf | the vast majority of sculptures use chains, and they're a constant problem. hydraulics should be much more reliable, not that much heavier (or maybe even lighter, looking at a lot of what I saw today), and infinitely variable will give the good low gear for climbing hills... |
| 02:32.59 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: http://debian.coreds.net/cricket_example.tar.bz2 |
| 02:33.37 | karsten | furrywolf: especially with beer as your hydraulic fluid. |
| 02:34.26 | furrywolf | karsten: alcoholic breverages are expressly forbidden at the race. |
| 02:34.46 | Guerin | how much fun can that be? |
| 02:34.47 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: got that? |
| 02:34.53 | karsten | furrywolf: It's not a beverage, it's a hydraulic fluid ;-) |
| 02:34.56 | Epilog | I'm having some troubles with LDAP |
| 02:35.28 | Epilog | what do I need to do in order to add a username to the ldap and assign it a password so that the user can change is addressbook? |
| 02:35.48 | furrywolf | no one has any spare hydraulic pumps? blah! :P |
| 02:35.57 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: that even has a nifty Makefile... damn. giving away all my guru secrets... |
| 02:36.21 | furrywolf | retail they're ~$500 each... and while I do have the skills to build one, a variable displacement hydraulic pump is well up there on my list of things I'd rather not build from scratch. |
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| 02:36.36 | akusarujin | r3tr0, got it :D |
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| 02:37.16 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: okay, it's going away now... it should give you an idea how i've set up the file tree, etc... |
| 02:38.18 | nunez | how do I make symbolic links executable? |
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| 02:38.49 | r3tr0 | nunez: make what they point to +x? |
| 02:38.50 | Guerin | nunez: symlinks are always 777 |
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| 02:39.02 | Guerin | your question is stupid |
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| 02:39.26 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: admittedly, that tree might be a /bit/ of overkill for just one host... ;) |
| 02:39.32 | peterS | yeah, symlinks don't have any permissions. they *look* like they do but these permissions are basically ignored |
| 02:39.56 | peterS | except for deciding whether someone can rename or remove a symlink in a sticky dir |
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| 02:40.32 | furrywolf | welp, from looking at ebay, they're $300+ each there too... so I'd probably have to build them. |
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| 02:40.43 | furrywolf | is wobble plate or variable crank easier? :) |
| 02:41.07 | nunez | r3tr0:: When I try to run it it says I have too many symbolic links |
| 02:41.22 | nunez | Guerin: There are no dumb questions, just dumb answers ;) |
| 02:41.52 | furrywolf | nunez: you don't help here often, do you? |
| 02:42.02 | r3tr0 | nunez: (eyes cross) how deep does the rabbit hole go? |
| 02:42.11 | peterS | nunez: not true, there are such things as dumb questions |
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| 02:42.27 | nunez | I was being sarcastic |
| 02:42.28 | peterS | nunez: 'too many symlinks' probably means you have a loop of them. A points to B points to C points to A, for example |
| 02:42.31 | nunez | r3tr0: One time |
| 02:42.38 | nunez | Its a direct link |
| 02:42.39 | z3r3lk | guys can you tell me an apt repository with the last kde version? |
| 02:42.44 | Guerin | nunez: no dumb questions or answers, only dumb people. |
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| 02:43.13 | flo | Hi. I just downloaded the Kernelsource package with Kernel 2.4.18. Making the config and the dependencies works fine. But I cannot compile my kernel. I always get some errors. They vary depending on which gcc I use (2.95 or 3.3.5) and the make target (bzImage, zlilo). Can you help me? |
| 02:43.17 | Guerin | z3r3lk: google can. |
| 02:43.25 | z3r3lk | i tried |
| 02:43.35 | Guerin | there is no try. |
| 02:43.35 | z3r3lk | but the one i had is broken |
| 02:43.45 | Guerin | sounds normal to me. |
| 02:44.09 | z3r3lk | so i think i have to compile for myself |
| 02:44.11 | z3r3lk | lol |
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| 02:44.30 | Guerin | you poor bastard |
| 02:44.32 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: any luck? |
| 02:44.47 | Guerin | z3r3lk: good luck with that, you'll need it. |
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| 02:45.20 | z3r3lk | thats not the first time i do that |
| 02:45.31 | z3r3lk | and it went well |
| 02:45.32 | z3r3lk | so |
| 02:45.37 | z3r3lk | see ya |
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| 02:46.07 | akusarujin | r3tr0, no, this is pissing me off.. the grapher says that it's failing to draw the graph, and to check the log.. |
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| 02:47.14 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: man, i hear you. i yelled at cricket for like a week straight before it started playing nice. one thing at a time - is snmp data being collected? |
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| 02:49.02 | akusarujin | r3tr0, Received SNMP response with error code noSuchName. OID: 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.17.1 -- why wouldn't i have that MIB? |
| 02:49.13 | akusarujin | is it a problem with my main Defaults file? |
| 02:50.02 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: nah... one moment (hourglass appears in eyes) |
| 02:50.14 | EvilSporkMan | i need to back up a large collection of files across multiple DVDs...what program should i use? searching apt for "backup" or "archive" isn't producing anything that's jumping out at me. |
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| 02:50.22 | akusarujin | r3tr0, kasflkasjfkjaf wtf! |
| 02:50.48 | peterS | r3tr0: dude, how'd you pull off that visual effect? you must be running xorg in your head? |
| 02:50.50 | akusarujin | r3tr0, it's "working" ! |
| 02:51.15 | sparr_ | what is the process for files to go from incoming to unstable? |
| 02:51.34 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: ? does that mean you're getting graphs, or qua? |
| 02:51.50 | peterS | sparr_: depends on whether there are any new package names involved |
| 02:52.02 | akusarujin | r3tr0, well, i copied over your boxen/Defaults to my traffic/Defaults and i'm getting graphs now.. albeit blank |
| 02:52.29 | akusarujin | r3tr0, one time i think i had it working pretty close to "correct," they had legends at the top saying Blue means this, Green means this.. |
| 02:52.32 | akusarujin | this time, it's pretty blank |
| 02:52.44 | peterS | sparr_: if not, the process is entirely automated and involves the dak scripts. the details I do not know and they aren't all that interesting anyway. eventually they just appear in unstable, which is pushed out to the mirrors once a day |
| 02:52.52 | akusarujin | r3tr0, except, it says Last updated at Sat May 28 22:45:01 2005 |
| 02:53.05 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: give it a moment, it takes 2 polling cycles before the joy happens. |
| 02:54.23 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you /are/ running 'cricket-compile -loglevel debug' after each change? think of it like lilo... |
| 02:54.39 | akusarujin | r3tr0, no, cricket-compile (alone) |
| 02:54.40 | m4lu6 | oh, how i hate ATI, let me count the ways.. |
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| 02:55.04 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you should be getting 'retrieved data... BIGNUM,BIGNUM' in your log files... |
| 02:55.29 | zinx | m4lu6: most of the people i've seen who hate ATI are the ones who weren't able to properly install the drivers, and were too stupid to ask for help in any meaningful way |
| 02:55.33 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: that's fine. i'm just anal and like to see the debug messages. just making sure your OIDs are up-to-date and all... |
| 02:56.28 | m4lu6 | zinx, what an outstanding observation, sir. |
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| 02:56.47 | zinx | m4lu6: i'm fairly good at recognizing patterns; it's a gift |
| 02:56.50 | qbwdp | hey guys whats going on |
| 02:56.51 | akusarujin | r3tr0, so i sit for 10 minutes (2 cycles)? |
| 02:57.05 | akusarujin | [28-May-2005 22:52:45 ] Processed 5 nodes (in 3 files) in 0 seconds. |
| 02:57.05 | akusarujin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:57.16 | qbwdp | i just stuck a new scsi drive, i want to software raid it with the first one, whats the name of that utility to do this? |
| 02:57.36 | peterS | qbwdp: mdadm |
| 02:57.36 | Guerin | mdadm? |
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| 02:57.51 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you can directly query the rrd file... but that's all sorts of voodoo. easier to wait. |
| 02:57.51 | m4lu6 | zinx, so then, what are, and where are, the drivers for this Toshitty Crapellite A75's Radeon Mobility 9000? |
| 02:58.05 | qbwdp | is that the same one that comes up when i did my first install? |
| 02:58.13 | qbwdp | the one that allowed me to partition and all? |
| 02:58.20 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah, it's fine.. |
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| 02:58.39 | akusarujin | r3tr0, after i see that it works, i'd love to know how to customize this a tad to show what i actually want to see (right now it's just set much like you had yours) |
| 02:58.40 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you're getting logs in /var/log/cricket? |
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| 02:58.43 | peterS | qbwdp: no, it's command-line-driven. if you wanted to mirror your disk the easy way you had to say so back when you installed |
| 02:58.55 | akusarujin | r3tr0, /var/log/cricket/ALL.log is it |
| 02:59.14 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: once you have a config that actually works, the docs will carry you. it's that initial learning curve that's matterhorn-esque... |
| 02:59.20 | qbwdp | peterS: so now i have to use the command line one |
| 02:59.21 | zinx | m4lu6: for the 9000, the standard drivers probably work; if not, try the IGP drivers.. if those don't work, you can always use the open source DRI drivers for that card |
| 02:59.36 | peterS | qbwdp: if you aren't interested in reinstalling your system, then yes, I think you do |
| 02:59.51 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: what's that log file say? are you getting 'Retrieved data' lines? |
| 02:59.57 | m4lu6 | i know nothing of IGP drivres. can't find any reference to them. |
| 02:59.58 | peterS | qbwdp: it's a bit of a hairy process too. I'd walk you through it but I'm thinking seriously about getting some sleep |
| 03:00.05 | revdiablo | I changed my default locale to en_US.UTF-8, and now everything seems to be sorting case-insensitively. any ideas how I can change this? |
| 03:00.06 | m4lu6 | ATI says 'toshiba has 'em, |
| 03:00.10 | m4lu6 | toshiba says they don't havem. |
| 03:00.19 | zinx | m4lu6: where does ATI say that? |
| 03:00.23 | akusarujin | r3tr0, Received SNMP response with error code noSuchName. OID: 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.17.3 |
| 03:00.25 | akusarujin | :\ |
| 03:00.37 | revdiablo | peterS: fancy meeting you here |
| 03:00.40 | qbwdp | peterS: no problem, i'll give it a wack, if i screw up, i'll ask you later |
| 03:00.42 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: okay, well that's just some issue w/ snmpd. so now we debug that. |
| 03:00.45 | peterS | revdiablo: amazing |
| 03:00.47 | m4lu6 | Ati website, under support, drivers, laptops w/ati cards. |
| 03:00.53 | zinx | m4lu6: for debian, try the debs at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 03:01.12 | zinx | m4lu6: the drivers for 'desktops' support the mobility 9000 |
| 03:01.58 | m4lu6 | i installed the 8.12.10 drivers, lock up box when gl apps init. |
| 03:02.01 | m4lu6 | bloody hell |
| 03:02.04 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: somewhere you have it set up to just monitor unicast packets... you customize something to look for ifOutUcastPkts? |
| 03:02.25 | zinx | m4lu6: sounds like AGP issues, or some other badness |
| 03:02.25 | akusarujin | r3tr0, snmpd.conf? |
| 03:02.34 | zinx | m4lu6: it can likely be fixed by configuration settings |
| 03:02.36 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: no, that'll be somewhere in cricket |
| 03:02.53 | akusarujin | cricket-conf.pl? |
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| 03:03.39 | akusarujin | r3tr0, well, /etc/cricket/config/Defaults has stuff like OID ifInUcastPkts 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.11 |
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| 03:04.34 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: what branch of deb are you running? i'm wondering if this is an unstable/stable issue... |
| 03:04.37 | m4lu6 | well, as far as the kernel stuff goes on this page you referenced, i'm there. all that matches my setup. hmm. |
| 03:04.43 | akusarujin | r3tr0, sarge |
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| 03:05.08 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: gleh... is that what the kids are calling 'testing' nowadays? |
| 03:05.46 | akusarujin | r3tr0, no, i have it set for 'sarge,' so that when sarge is up w/security updates it'll stop updating to testing files; besides, it's frozen anyway? |
| 03:06.59 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: alright. well... lessee here... what does your target file look like? is the target-type set to 'standard-interface'? |
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| 03:07.46 | akusarujin | roooot! |
| 03:07.49 | akusarujin | whoa, dashiva |
| 03:08.05 | peterS | yeah, you see fantasy characters here from time to time |
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| 03:08.25 | akusarujin | r3tr0, http://rafb.net/paste/results/IpavdK27.html |
| 03:08.34 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: oh man, my coffee is wearing off... one moment. |
| 03:08.42 | liable | MrBes: best not to irc as root |
| 03:08.47 | Guerin | aka 'people whose grip on reality is weak' |
| 03:08.48 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: have to crawl into a GUI... |
| 03:08.51 | Guerin | or |
| 03:09.13 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i just ran a quick :%s/whatever/rurouni/g on the config you showed :) |
| 03:09.20 | Guerin | 'people to whome "originality" is just another word bigger than wheelbarrow' |
| 03:11.14 | akusarujin | r3tr0, and actually, lynx will show the site rather well |
| 03:11.27 | akusarujin | r3tr0, just remove the line numbers :) |
| 03:11.36 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: wasn't sure what you were pasting... thought it might be an empty graph. |
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| 03:11.46 | kelan | revdiablo: string sorting has to do with the LC_COLLATE environment variable. maybe you can change just this one back to 'en_US'? not sure how well that will work tho |
| 03:11.48 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: bit of an IRC bonehead. |
| 03:11.59 | akusarujin | r3tr0, ahh, sorry, it was just a paste of the configuration, sorry about that |
| 03:12.18 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: so, what does your snmpwalk of this host look like? |
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| 03:12.34 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you said it wasn't a whole lot of data? |
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| 03:13.39 | akusarujin | r3tr0, http://rafb.net/paste/results/eRNNUT35.html |
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| 03:14.29 | revdiablo | kelan: hmm, I'll try it. thanks for the idea... I was on the verge of setting aliases to turn on LANG=C for most things |
| 03:14.30 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: wow, that's pretty damn spare... |
| 03:14.39 | akusarujin | r3tr0, that's what i thought too |
| 03:14.55 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: i've only seen that sort of output come out of like, embedded devices, not a full-on *nix box... |
| 03:15.08 | akusarujin | r3tr0, am i missing a package per chance? |
| 03:15.25 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: (trying to remember if there's a kernel option for "make snmp work [M]")... |
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| 03:15.37 | akusarujin | i just hit snmp and snmpd and let it pick up the deps when i installed it |
| 03:16.13 | akusarujin | CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT_SNMP_BASIC=m |
| 03:16.25 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, mine isn't set, so it's not that... |
| 03:16.28 | akusarujin | if that holds any weight |
| 03:16.44 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you don't have anything funky like security levels or something set up? |
| 03:16.49 | akusarujin | i''m such an snmp newbie :( |
| 03:17.00 | akusarujin | security levels for snmp? i have the default deb config |
| 03:17.29 | zezom | I've got a dule boot system and up till recently my DVD drive was working fine under linux but now the mount point used to point to my dvd now points to my burner but under windows the burner and dvd work fine... I've also knoticed that there is only /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 and no cdrom1 and that is a sym link to /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target1/lun0/cd but I can't seem to find the corasponding one that would be for the DVD |
| 03:17.48 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: well, you know, like that new gr security stuff in 2.6 ... i'm just working from the bare metal up... |
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| 03:18.05 | akusarujin | r3tr0, nope |
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| 03:18.49 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: did i already have you try a ' snmpwalk -c public -v1 localhost 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1 '? |
| 03:19.06 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah |
| 03:19.16 | akusarujin | it's a sad day in cricket-land |
| 03:20.03 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: and it what, no result? |
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| 03:20.31 | nickv111 | Hmm, for some reason amarok is crashing after a few seconds whenever I load it |
| 03:20.38 | nickv111 | I see the icon in my system tray. |
| 03:20.53 | nickv111 | Unfortunately, I installed from a package, and therefore don't have debug symbols |
| 03:21.08 | nickv111 | Compiling it from the source packages fails |
| 03:21.17 | akusarujin | r3tr0, no result.. |
| 03:21.21 | nickv111 | During the install it can't find amarok.kcfg |
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| 03:21.27 | kullanici | hi |
| 03:21.33 | nickv111 | Hello. |
| 03:21.33 | kullanici | 2005-05-29 05:09:24 1DcDEy-00011g-JD Format error in spool file 1DcDEy-00011g-JD-H: size=605 |
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| 03:21.39 | kullanici | what can i do about this error ? |
| 03:21.43 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Pfll2G63.html |
| 03:21.59 | nickv111 | kullanici: What is giving you the error? |
| 03:22.03 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: maybe you have paranoid mode set or something? |
| 03:22.09 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i do :) |
| 03:22.18 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i thought that was a Good Thing :) |
| 03:22.22 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: turn it off, you cad. |
| 03:23.01 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you're behind a firewall! (pulls ESC key off keyboard in rage) |
| 03:23.10 | nickv111 | Apparently, liboil is segfaulting |
| 03:23.14 | akusarujin | rofl |
| 03:23.52 | akusarujin | r3tr0, much better! the walk command works now |
| 03:24.08 | r3tr0 | (stops questioning own sanity) |
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| 03:24.22 | kullanici | nickv111, when i'm trying to send email via php, i'm getting this error in /var/log/exim4/mainlog file |
| 03:24.32 | kullanici | i can't send email via php.. |
| 03:24.38 | akusarujin | r3tr0, NOW, after all of this mess, the graphs should start coming together? |
| 03:25.01 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: well, you should at least be getting more interesting failures in your ALL.log... |
| 03:25.02 | akusarujin | r3tr0, it's retrieving the data! :D |
| 03:25.18 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: sweet. |
| 03:25.20 | akusarujin | Retrieved data for rurouni (1): 217548225,217548225,0,0,1732888,1732888 |
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| 03:25.30 | akusarujin | now, another question i had real quick |
| 03:25.35 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: right on. |
| 03:25.43 | akusarujin | well, asked it before but it couldn't be answered due to the paranoid crap :p |
| 03:25.46 | kooldeb | when I do sudo someprogram, the root pwd does not work, what should I do ? |
| 03:26.01 | caphuso | kooldeb: use your user's password |
| 03:26.12 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: listening... |
| 03:26.22 | akusarujin | the "target --default--" and "target whatever" lines just sortof give an alias to the following instance or target-type or whatever? |
| 03:26.26 | kooldeb | caphuso I need su privilige which I have it |
| 03:26.35 | caphuso | kooldeb: huh? |
| 03:26.36 | Guerin | kooldeb: man sudo |
| 03:26.55 | Guerin | kooldeb: if you can't comprehend how sudo works, you shouldn't be using it. |
| 03:27.08 | akusarujin | sudo is a fantastic app |
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| 03:27.35 | Guerin | sudo is, in fact, the shit. But it does take a competent admin to set up properly. |
| 03:27.37 | kooldeb | Guerin: ya sure, whatever |
| 03:27.51 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: see how the target-type for the netscreen is only declared at the top |
| 03:27.54 | kullanici | anyone help me please? |
| 03:27.55 | revdiablo | kooldeb: you have to set up a sudoers file to tell sudo what you can run, then when you run sudo you provide your user password |
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| 03:28.27 | nickv111 | kullanici: Questions like that are pointless |
| 03:28.31 | akusarujin | kooldeb, sudo allows you to use a specified application (setup the config to open up apps) that normally root alone would have access to, per se, by using your user's password or no password at all.. it really depends on how you set it up.. to answer your question, though, when it asks for a password enter YOUR password, not the root's |
| 03:28.38 | kooldeb | revdiablo: ok, the man file for sudoers is like 500 lines, any quick way to do that ? |
| 03:28.44 | Guerin | kooldeb: no, i'm serious. Read the fucking manpage. |
| 03:28.45 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: or, i guess, more instructively, the 'server=' line? |
| 03:28.47 | revdiablo | kooldeb: check this out. it was written for BSD specifically, but it's generic enough that the instructions work for debian: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/08/29/Big_Scary_Daemons.html |
| 03:28.59 | kelan | revdiablo: did changing LC_COLLATE fix your sorting problem? |
| 03:29.15 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: a new 'server=' line isn't declared till i jump to a new host... at 'egon-net-eth0' |
| 03:29.17 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah, i don't quite understand why? are all of the following inst=(*) lines a part of it? |
| 03:29.19 | revdiablo | kelan: yes indeed, many thanks. I'm still waiting to see if I find any weird side-effects, but it looks good so far. |
| 03:29.29 | Guerin | kooldeb: the point is: if you don't understand what you're doing, you shouldn't be giving root access out to users on your box. Sudoers is HARD for a reason. |
| 03:29.37 | Guerin | furrywolf: haha |
| 03:29.39 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: those 'inst=' lines are the interfaces on the box - eth0, eth1, etc |
| 03:29.40 | kelan | revdiablo: good:) |
| 03:29.46 | kullanici | when i'm trying to send email via php, i'm getting this error in /var/log/exim4/mainlog file " 2005-05-29 05:09:24 1DcDEy-00011g-JD Format error in spool file 1DcDEy-00011g-JD-H: size=605 " |
| 03:29.48 | akusarujin | r3tr0, aha, gotcha! .. but one thing, what does the target line do at "--default--"? |
| 03:29.56 | c4l1n | I recently decided to learn dvorak. I changed my computer's keyboard layout to dvorak by using the command 'install-keymap dvorak'. I decided now was not the time for dvorak and figured out on my own how to change my console and desktop layouts back, but I discovered that outside of my automatic-login on the login screen, it is still dvorak and I can not enter my password. Can someone aid me in reverting the keymap? |
| 03:30.02 | kooldeb | revdiablo: can u make sire of the URL please ? |
| 03:30.07 | revdiablo | kooldeb: what? |
| 03:30.11 | Guerin | kooldeb: furrywolf's comment above is case in point as to why people shouldn't be allowed to use sudo until they've deomstrated proficiency with it. |
| 03:30.15 | akusarujin | r3tr0, my box is only using one of its interfaces atm, so i should only use inst=(1), correct? or do i even have to specify one at all? |
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| 03:30.32 | kooldeb | Guerin: thanks for ur help. |
| 03:30.46 | kooldeb | revdiablo: the uRL u gave me does not work |
| 03:30.48 | Guerin | kooldeb: you're welcome. it's by faar the best help you'll get on this subject. |
| 03:30.52 | Guerin | !u |
| 03:30.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:30.54 | revdiablo | kooldeb: yes it does, I just tried it. |
| 03:30.54 | Guerin | !ur |
| 03:30.55 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 03:30.58 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: --default-- is magic for cricket, and, oddly - sets the default for that file. |
| 03:31.15 | kelan | c4l1n: did you try 'install-keymap us'? |
| 03:31.24 | kooldeb | revdiablo: does not work here |
| 03:31.28 | akusarujin | r3tr0, sets it to...? the filename? |
| 03:31.38 | jair | guys it is any application similar than winSCP for debian? |
| 03:31.42 | c4l1n | kelan: I didn't because I didn't know what to use instead of dvorak,i will try 'install-keymap us' now, thanks! |
| 03:31.45 | revdiablo | kooldeb: that's a shame. |
| 03:31.51 | furrywolf | jair: yes. scp. |
| 03:31.51 | kelan | c4l1n: welcome |
| 03:31.57 | kooldeb | revdiablo: does not resolve. |
| 03:31.58 | MRBEAS | open office 2 in debian..? |
| 03:31.58 | jair | I need to connect to a remote server securely and get some files from it |
| 03:32.03 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: anything in the --default-- stanza - in this case the 'target-type','display-name',and 'server' |
| 03:32.07 | Guerin | kooldeb: it's a good thing you have the manpages on your local machine, then. |
| 03:32.11 | jair | furrywolf, it is a command ? |
| 03:32.16 | furrywolf | yep |
| 03:32.18 | kooldeb | Guerin: ya 500 pages man |
| 03:32.23 | revdiablo | kooldeb: http://xrl.us/f9bx # try this one, perhaps |
| 03:32.34 | jair | furrywolf, ok I will look for that, it use ssh or SSL? |
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| 03:32.47 | jair | furrywolf, it is encrypted\ |
| 03:32.47 | Guerin | kooldeb: it's not 500 pages, and it's got a SHITLOAD of very useful exammples - you would know this if you's even bothered to SKIM through it. |
| 03:32.50 | jair | ? |
| 03:32.54 | Guerin | kooldeb: now fuck off and read. |
| 03:32.54 | kooldeb | revdiablo: same thing, it does not resolve |
| 03:32.55 | akusarujin | r3tr0, bah, wtf.. i removed the other two interfaces and now it's back to how it was before |
| 03:33.00 | justin | jair: where do you think the name "winSCP" comes from? |
| 03:33.07 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: the inst to eth mapping becomes more obvious when you do an snmpwalk that WORKS and you see the 'ifDesc' lines... |
| 03:33.16 | kooldeb | Guerin: thanks for the help again. |
| 03:33.20 | revdiablo | kooldeb: hmm, your dns must be broken. it works fine here. I guess you will have to use the man pages as Guerin keeps recommending |
| 03:33.20 | kelan | jair: yes it is encrypted/secure |
| 03:33.21 | jair | justin, ohh ok |
| 03:33.22 | jair | cool |
| 03:33.24 | Guerin | kooldeb: and fix your dns lookups while you're at it. |
| 03:33.24 | jair | thank you |
| 03:33.28 | akusarujin | r3tr0, what should i grep for? ifDesc? |
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| 03:33.32 | jair | kelan, thank you guys |
| 03:33.34 | jair | :) |
| 03:33.38 | MRBEAS | open office 2 in debian.. how to install |
| 03:33.39 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: (laughing) man, you need to just stop fscking with your config file for a minute... |
| 03:33.40 | kooldeb | Guerin: leave me alone would u please ? |
| 03:33.48 | Guerin | kooldeb: nope. |
| 03:33.51 | MRBEAS | i mean the apt source... |
| 03:33.54 | kooldeb | Guerin: then fuck off |
| 03:33.56 | quitte_ | tarzeau: I got links2 -g running on the jornada(sh3) but the keyboard gets locked and then I have to pull the power plug. libdirectfb problem? |
| 03:33.57 | revdiablo | kooldeb: you can always use /ignore |
| 03:33.59 | akusarujin | r3tr0, sweet, i get it now.. |
| 03:34.04 | revdiablo | kooldeb: no reason to cause more problems for yourself. |
| 03:34.09 | akusarujin | IF-MIB::ifDescr.2 = STRING: eth0 :D |
| 03:34.10 | kooldeb | revdiablo: I agree |
| 03:34.22 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: there you go. so inst=(2) is == eth0 |
| 03:34.25 | kelan | Guerin: stop trying to answer people's questions, sheesh. they don't like that |
| 03:34.38 | akusarujin | _hell_ yes, it works |
| 03:34.40 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: diggin it? |
| 03:34.44 | akusarujin | bigtime. |
| 03:34.49 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: schweet. |
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| 03:34.53 | Guerin | kelan: i know. It' so hard to give people sound advice these days, they get so pissy. |
| 03:35.01 | justin | !+fishing |
| 03:35.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fishing is if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course... |
| 03:35.12 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:35.12 | justin | Guerin: ^^^^^^ |
| 03:35.12 | kelan | heh |
| 03:35.15 | akusarujin | r3tr0, now, i guess i should wait 5 minutes for this thing to update since the last compile? |
| 03:35.21 | revdiablo | Guerin: answers are hard, because they mean you have to do stuff and stuff. |
| 03:35.39 | liable | well, it is sunday after all |
| 03:35.42 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeh - you should be getting 'current' values above the graph, but no magic green lines yet... |
| 03:35.43 | akusarujin | r3tr0, "Average bits in (for the day)" and such, displays at the top, now.. so i'm guessing i can expect to see some output soon? |
| 03:35.45 | Guerin | revdiablo: and then there's that whole 'thinking' and 'understanding' bit which is so damn tough. |
| 03:35.56 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yep. |
| 03:36.10 | akusarujin | r3tr0, it says "nan" :) i'm guessing it's not recording any traffic, which is BS :) |
| 03:36.21 | akusarujin | "Cur: nan bits/sec" |
| 03:36.34 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: just hasn't polled yet then. that's 'Not A Number' |
| 03:36.41 | kooldeb | revdiablo: ya its something with the DNS for the access point am connected to that keeps changing settings. |
| 03:36.56 | akusarujin | r3tr0, polling is 5 mins, so i'm guessing i should wait :) |
| 03:36.57 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: just keep tailing that log file, and you should see success... |
| 03:37.21 | jair | so If I am on a machine: "banana" and I want to browse and copy files from the machine "kiwi" using the command SCP? |
| 03:37.32 | akusarujin | 1 min left until it polls again |
| 03:37.39 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: (bites nails) |
| 03:37.51 | kooldeb | revdiablo: ok I got that page running |
| 03:38.03 | akusarujin | r3tr0, this is going to be awesome if it works :) |
| 03:38.12 | Guerin | jair: you log into kiwi using ssh, then you choose some files on kiwi and copy them to banana with scp |
| 03:38.18 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i'll probably lose myself in some good documentation if i can find it, and try to customize this to show everything i need :) |
| 03:38.39 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, the cricket docs are good, but INSANELY example-scarce. |
| 03:38.44 | justin | akusarujin: you should have just tried cacti first heh |
| 03:38.46 | jair | the example will be : scp localfile "banana" sys:remotefile "kiwi" |
| 03:38.47 | akusarujin | Cur: 5.06 Mbits/sec sweet? |
| 03:38.57 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: but then, what OSS project _is_ well doc'd? |
| 03:38.59 | jair | Guerin, ohhh ok |
| 03:39.09 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: justin is totally right. i'm a dope. |
| 03:39.19 | akusarujin | pure-ftpd is extremely well documented |
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| 03:39.26 | Guerin | jair: nope. badger@kiwi:~$ scp myfile mushroom@banana:~/ |
| 03:39.27 | jair | Guerin, so in order to me use the scp command I most have access to the remote machine using ssh. |
| 03:39.32 | akusarujin | it was actually readable, too, i read through the entire thing with no issues |
| 03:39.34 | Guerin | jair: yes. |
| 03:39.36 | justin | hell, mrtg with cfgmaker will have you up and running in 10 seconds ;) |
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| 03:39.41 | jair | Guerin, cool |
| 03:39.42 | akusarujin | the manpage for snmpd is a joke, to say the least.. |
| 03:39.48 | revdiablo | jair: scp uses ssh as a transport |
| 03:39.54 | jair | Guerin, ohh ok |
| 03:40.09 | jair | revdiablo, nice very good to know |
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| 03:40.26 | jair | Guerin, Thank you |
| 03:40.31 | r3tr0 | justin: yeah - but mrtg is a little proc heavy for a whole lot of hosts... hence this total cricket fsck-up... |
| 03:41.01 | justin | ah yeah, I only use mrtg to graph stuffs for 2 dozen devices or so |
| 03:41.20 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i'm guessing it's going to guess on this bandwidth displaying method by what it sees? i.e. mbit / gbit / kbit ? |
| 03:41.24 | r3tr0 | justin: i think i just used a bazooka on a fli.... |
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| 03:41.48 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: it'll scale automagically, but you can force a scale if you'd like... advanced mojo. |
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| 03:42.15 | CrypticSquared | morning all |
| 03:42.19 | justin | yeah, that's one thing about mrtg/rrdtool, it is good at making graphs that look good without much effort |
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| 03:42.47 | akusarujin | r3tr0, ah.. any good reference for figuring out more? i'd like to see what else i can poll for |
| 03:43.01 | justin | though autoscale can be bad when you are trying to look at 2 graphs at once, the autoscale makes them look all the same so you can't just eyeball them |
| 03:43.08 | r3tr0 | ah well. this whole thing started because akusa was interested in snmp - nothing more raw than dicking with OIDs! |
| 03:43.18 | CrypticSquared | how does one install a java runtime environment via aptitude? |
| 03:43.31 | CrypticSquared | or does it need to be from source? |
| 03:43.34 | akusarujin | i agree, r3tr0 |
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| 03:43.42 | c4l1n | the problem was not fixed by 'install-keymap us', but i talked to someone else and he told me to look inmy xfree/xore config file for "xkblayout" and that was the problem. Just thought I would drop by and clarify that for whoever was helping me, thanks anyways! |
| 03:44.07 | akusarujin | i wonder how long it's going to take to see some actual output on these graphs.. |
| 03:44.08 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: honestly, i just do an snmpwalk and look for interesting stuff... or grep through the examples in /usr/share/doc... |
| 03:44.24 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: then, i lose interest and get back to real work... (grin) |
| 03:45.44 | akusarujin | r3tr0, well, this same file has some other stuff in it, doesn't it? like cpu info? |
| 03:46.38 | r3tr0 | justin: i've been using 'scale=' lines to adjust one to fit the other... then autoscale works nicely for multiple datasets... |
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| 03:47.26 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, sure - throw another target entry in with targetType ucd_System - pretty load levels, etc... |
| 03:47.52 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i'm guessing it'll pick up a default way to graph it at first? |
| 03:48.52 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: like - line colors? yeah. |
| 03:48.54 | jair | Guerin, I am trying this ----> enigma:~/forms# scp -2 ONH_\ Forms_htm.zip caiman@jair.no-ip.com/home/caiman/ |
| 03:48.54 | jair | cp: `caiman@chamo.no-ip.com/home/caiman/': specified destination directory does not exist |
| 03:48.54 | jair | Try `cp --help' for more information. |
| 03:49.06 | akusarujin | r3tr0, moreso like, what's going to be on what axis :) |
| 03:49.09 | jair | sorry |
| 03:49.13 | jair | Guerin, sorry |
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| 03:49.31 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: ah. well, time is always left-right, if that's what you mean? |
| 03:49.35 | jair | Guerin, I am trying this ----> enigma:~/forms# scp -2 ONH_\ Forms_htm.zip caiman@chamo.no-ip.com/home/caiman/ |
| 03:49.41 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i'm guessing adding target name // target-type=ucd_System // display-name="%server% cpu load" will be enough? (it'll pick up the server= from default?) |
| 03:49.55 | justin | jair: you left out the : |
| 03:49.55 | r3tr0 | jair: you're missing a colon in the destination... |
| 03:50.11 | akusarujin | r3tr0, nah, i mean, what's a factor of what, what's the dependent and what's the independent variable.. don't mind me though, i'm guessing it'll always make what you're graphing the dependent variable :) |
| 03:50.14 | Guerin | what they said |
| 03:50.19 | Guerin | jair: man scp |
| 03:50.21 | jair | Guerin, I am trying this ----> enigma:~/forms# scp -2 ONH_\ Forms_htm.zip caiman@chamo.no-ip.com/home/caiman/ |
| 03:50.21 | jair | jair cp: `caiman@chamo.no-ip.com/home/caiman/': specified destination directory does not exist |
| 03:50.21 | jair | jair Try `cp --help' for more information. |
| 03:50.24 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: leave off the 'display-name' for now... that's just me being anal... |
| 03:50.29 | Guerin | don't be pasting that shit |
| 03:50.33 | jair | Guerin, I have to do the : |
| 03:50.47 | jair | Guerin, where wil be? -----> |
| 03:51.05 | Guerin | man scp |
| 03:51.07 | Guerin | scp --help |
| 03:51.10 | jair | Guerin, ok |
| 03:51.13 | jair | ;) |
| 03:51.15 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: that's just the title on the PNG that's getting spit out |
| 03:51.20 | Guerin | actually LOOK at the example I gave you earlier |
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| 03:52.29 | Lathi | where's the best place to ask questions about the installer for sarge? it's not working on my hardware |
| 03:52.34 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: quick gotcha: if you want to do graphs of disk space, etc - you need to enable that in snmpd.conf |
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| 03:53.04 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: other than that, all the targetTypes in there should work out-of-the-box |
| 03:53.09 | mwilson | Lathi: Depends... do people have to beat out of you whatever "not working" means? |
| 03:53.14 | jair | Guerin, ok |
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| 03:53.47 | akusarujin | r3tr0, grr, it says it can't make the graphs for the cpu load... do i have to specify the server? or will the default make it happen? |
| 03:54.09 | akusarujin | r3tr0, or do i just have to wait for it to update? |
| 03:54.20 | stupidkid | I got problem with my monitor it goes crazy and i can't control it |
| 03:54.32 | stupidkid | it happends 2 times a week |
| 03:54.33 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you're getting that big red "no graph available" text? |
| 03:54.37 | stupidkid | do you know how to fix it? |
| 03:54.43 | Lathi | it can't detect and mount the cd-rom. it complains there are unavailable modules needed: amd76xrom, ide-mo, ide-probe-mod, ide-generic, and ide-floppy |
| 03:54.53 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: if so - yeah, wait for the collector to run. |
| 03:54.55 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yep, but not anymore :D .. it updated :D |
| 03:55.03 | akusarujin | r3tr0, cricket is awesome. |
| 03:55.04 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: go team. |
| 03:55.18 | akusarujin | r3tr0, all thanks to you deparanoiding me :) |
| 03:55.23 | justin | !tell stupidkid about smart questions |
| 03:55.23 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, once you're over that initial hump. |
| 03:55.27 | stupidkid | haha |
| 03:55.31 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah, it's cool now |
| 03:55.45 | stupidkid | justin, did i ask stupid question? |
| 03:55.46 | akusarujin | i think justin has !tell bound to a key |
| 03:56.02 | akusarujin | an easy one to hit, like spacebar :) |
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| 03:56.29 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: good deal. now, if you ever figure out how MIBs and traps and all that shit works, you owe me a primer. |
| 03:56.29 | justin | no, I just type fast |
| 03:57.07 | akusarujin | r3tr0, haha |
| 03:57.07 | AwesomeMachine | I overclocked my keyboard so I can type really fast |
| 03:57.18 | Lathi | so, i'm having a hardware compatibility problem with the debian sarge installer. is this the right place to ask about it? it can't load the needed modules for my cd-rom? |
| 03:57.29 | akusarujin | justin, i was just kidding, you just use it a lot -- and i might add, it's the most annoying feature the bot has :) |
| 03:57.31 | Guerin | Lathi: #debian-boot might be better |
| 03:57.48 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:57.53 | akusarujin | luckily /ignore solves it :) |
| 03:58.07 | Guerin | Lathi: i mean, it's a dev channel, but they have much more in-depth knowledge of how the installer works |
| 03:58.46 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: at the boot prompt try "expert26 |
| 03:59.13 | Lathi | i tried with both the expert26 and just expert |
| 03:59.19 | Xenguy | hrm, I got this today when trying to view a php-driven web site: "Zend Optimizer not installed" ... |
| 03:59.28 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: so do i get to see the graph? |
| 03:59.33 | Xenguy | Then it states... |
| 03:59.41 | Lathi | i had to manually select the modules to load because it would hang otherwise. |
| 03:59.42 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: your having problems with the 2.4 kernel install? |
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| 03:59.50 | Xenguy | In order to run it, please install the freely available Zend Optimizer, version 2.1.0 or later. |
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| 03:59.53 | swim | hey |
| 04:00.18 | Xenguy | I googled quickly but wasn't able to spot a workaround/explanation that applied to Debian... |
| 04:00.31 | Xenguy | Has anyone seen this kind of garbage with PHP before? |
| 04:00.31 | mrwill | Xenguy: but that's a server side thing... why would you install the zend optimizer on a client? |
| 04:00.38 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: just select all the ide modules |
| 04:00.41 | Lathi | both the 2.4 and 2.6 installs failed. both would hang while loading ide-detect. so i did expert (on both) and selected my chipset and the generic modules. that's when it complained about not having all the modules |
| 04:00.44 | Guerin | Xenguy: send them a virulently-worded email about how php is supposed to be a server-side technology |
| 04:00.48 | Xenguy | mrwill: I know, I'm like, WTF |
| 04:00.55 | swim | anyone hear anything about making deb i686 ports? |
| 04:01.02 | Xenguy | Guerin: nod |
| 04:01.17 | AwesomeMachine | swim: I haven't really looked |
| 04:01.22 | akusarujin | r3tr0, it's nothing fantastic yet :) -- give it a few more mins to actually get a line moving somewhere :) |
| 04:01.23 | Guerin | swim: no point. |
| 04:01.34 | swim | sure theres a point |
| 04:01.38 | Guerin | nope |
| 04:01.40 | swim | speed |
| 04:01.41 | Guerin | sure ain't |
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| 04:01.48 | akusarujin | r3tr0, by the way, thank you for all of the help :) |
| 04:01.49 | swim | thats the point... speed |
| 04:02.03 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: send me a link and i'll show you how to change the scale to zoom in on stuff... |
| 04:02.15 | Guerin | >90% of the speed hit people go on about comes from optimising libc and kernel. Debian already has libc and kernels built for 686. |
| 04:02.35 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: not a problem. i had fun. and possibly didn't make a fool of myself. which is always sweet. |
| 04:02.42 | AwesomeMachine | is 686 pentium 4? |
| 04:02.47 | Guerin | !686 |
| 04:02.47 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M. |
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| 04:02.59 | swim | i disagree, i most definitley feel a diference when using optimized i686 distributions |
| 04:03.10 | swim | which optimized all packages... which really isnt that difficult |
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| 04:03.27 | Guerin | swim: delusions. |
| 04:03.30 | mrwill | swim: I feel you are just imagining it. |
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| 04:03.37 | swim | Guerin, nope, benchmarks |
| 04:03.41 | AwesomeMachine | I have suse on a few machines with 686 optimization and it's pretty good for suse |
| 04:03.41 | justin | swim: links? |
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| 04:03.49 | Lathi | how long should it take to load ide-detect? it seems to hang every time i try to load it. but not flashing keyboard LEDs, so it's not like an actual kernel panic |
| 04:03.56 | Lathi | it's just that i have to reboot |
| 04:04.02 | bemyguest | Open Office 2 For Debian... |
| 04:04.06 | justin | Lathi: less than a minute |
| 04:04.06 | Guerin | swim: it's difficult for a distro the size of debian, because it means adding server space and buildd time for a whole nother arch, for a VERY minimal benefit. |
| 04:04.12 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: what processor? |
| 04:04.14 | bemyguest | Someone knows.... |
| 04:04.20 | Guerin | swim: let's see these benchmarks. |
| 04:04.46 | Lathi | this is a tyan tigermp S2640 motherboard with a single AMD MP 1800 cput |
| 04:05.04 | AwesomeMachine | I've converted i686 rpms with alien and they work |
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| 04:05.14 | Guerin | and I want apples with apples; like packages, like hardware, no USE flags stripping functionality, comparison of an optimised libc and kernel against a whole optimised distro... |
| 04:05.33 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: should take 20 seconds |
| 04:05.34 | swim | Im looking... but your the one trying to disprove me... so you should actually be looking for the benchmarks to prove your point |
| 04:05.35 | bemyguest | apt source list for open office 2 ?? |
| 04:05.43 | Lathi | well, i'm still hung right now |
| 04:05.48 | Lathi | been over two minutes |
| 04:05.54 | Guerin | swim: nope, I'm happy with the status quo. You're not. burden of proof is on you. |
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| 04:06.05 | Guerin | and |
| 04:06.05 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: that's a bit long |
| 04:06.06 | Guerin | !your |
| 04:06.07 | dpkg | i guess your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 04:06.19 | Lathi | i also have a silicon image sata controller in the pci bus |
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| 04:06.55 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: si31xx is in the ide modules |
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| 04:07.28 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: you have ide cd's |
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| 04:08.03 | Lathi | AwesomeMachine: i have ide cd as secondary master, pata ide hard disk as primary master, and two sata hard drives off the SI sata controller |
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| 04:08.58 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: that should work |
| 04:09.13 | swim | crap i cant find it, well maybe the difference is minimum for regular 32bit cpus, but using 32bit i686 opt. distros on my athlon64 have really made all the difference |
| 04:09.16 | AwesomeMachine | I have had problems like yours though |
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| 04:09.46 | Lathi | should i try to booth with gdth=disable:y ? |
| 04:09.51 | Guerin | how the fuck do you notice a speed difference on an A64? |
| 04:10.05 | tobink | hello all |
| 04:10.07 | swim | somehow i do |
| 04:10.16 | Guerin | the difference between 'blindingly fast' and 'insanely fast' don't matter all that much, really. |
| 04:10.25 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: lemme think back for a sec |
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| 04:10.50 | Guerin | the thing that's worth caring about is 'usable' and 'unusable' or, at the top end 'convenient' and 'inconvenient' |
| 04:11.12 | Lathi | ok, i've booted into expert26 and i'm sitting on the screen to select modules to load |
| 04:11.18 | Guerin | when you break it down to milliseconds, you've clearly got too little to care about |
| 04:11.24 | swim | well sure, but i686 vs i386 doesnt really touch any of that since they are both useable and convenient |
| 04:11.33 | Guerin | precisely. |
| 04:11.43 | swim | if i had that little to care about, i would use gentoo |
| 04:12.01 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: just hit ok |
| 04:12.13 | AwesomeMachine | load them all |
| 04:12.16 | Lathi | AwesomeMachine: i promise it'll hang |
| 04:12.16 | tobink | anyone can help me please??? |
| 04:12.31 | wasap | is there a way to pick grub at install. its only letting me do lilo? |
| 04:12.32 | Lathi | so far it's hung 100% of the time i load ide-detect |
| 04:12.44 | furrywolf | completely off-topic question of the day: what do people figure the maximum pressure a beer keg can safely contain? :) |
| 04:12.44 | Guerin | what i'd be more interested in is for debian to adopt USE flags, so I can choose packages built without gnome support or --without-annoying-shit |
| 04:12.46 | AwesomeMachine | ok load all the generic and sixxxx |
| 04:12.55 | Guerin | but even then, it's hardly high on my list of priorities |
| 04:13.07 | Guerin | furrywolf: VERY high. |
| 04:13.17 | swim | hmm that would be interesting. what is high on your list Guerin ? |
| 04:13.33 | akusarujin | r3tr0, do i need to set some sort of permissions to allow cricket to be shown globally? |
| 04:13.37 | Guerin | swim: documentation |
| 04:13.50 | swim | ah, seems debian has that well under control no? |
| 04:13.55 | Guerin | not really |
| 04:13.56 | pon | brb |
| 04:14.00 | happybunny | i am using ndiswrapper and xp driver and it loads OK, but where do i tell it what wlan0 is? |
| 04:14.10 | Guerin | i mean, no less than other linux distros, but still worse than many other unices |
| 04:14.11 | happybunny | i put line in /etc/network/interface, but no dice |
| 04:14.17 | furrywolf | guerin: I need some _lightweight_ high-volume air tanks... the scrapyard often has old beer kegs... |
| 04:14.26 | swim | hmm |
| 04:14.35 | AwesomeMachine | try not loading ide-detect |
| 04:14.42 | swim | i hear gentooans are proud of their documentation |
| 04:14.43 | Guerin | furrywolf: the issue would be making sure the valve was strong enough and sealed well enough |
| 04:14.47 | scarynetworkguy | swim: Being secure by default and/or docs. Hell in the year of our lord 2000 and fucking 5 hardware is fast engouh and getting faster at a fast enough rate that to worry about perforcmance is silly. |
| 04:14.56 | Lathi | i'm hung. i need to reboot |
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| 04:15.06 | Guerin | furrywolf: they're normally thrown out because the valves are faulty, but if you can fit another... |
| 04:15.25 | Guerin | furrywolf: or the valve mounts, ykwim. |
| 04:15.31 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: gnh... i don't think so. it's whatever you have your cgi-bin perms set to... |
| 04:15.37 | Guerin | swim: i hear they're proud of their howtos. |
| 04:15.54 | furrywolf | or just seal the valve up and drill a 1/4" tapped hole next to it... don't need a valve. |
| 04:16.04 | akusarujin | r3tr0, hmph, let me run over my apache settings |
| 04:16.08 | Guerin | furrywolf: the trouble there is hull breach |
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| 04:16.22 | swim | well Ill try and match deb i386 to arch i686 |
| 04:16.33 | Guerin | furrywolf: lkegs are strong due to design - if you introduce a weak point you could ruin that |
| 04:16.39 | furrywolf | I'm worried the effects of a beer keg with 150psi of compressed air rupturing would be... dangerous? :) |
| 04:16.40 | Guerin | swim: apt-build |
| 04:16.55 | Guerin | furrywolf: very. you'd want to do ssome extensive testing. |
| 04:16.57 | swim | Guerin, what about it? |
| 04:17.10 | r3tr0 | "pressurize keg and get away - keg explodes with loud report!" |
| 04:17.19 | furrywolf | they're only like $10 at the scrapyard... kragen auto parts wants $30 for a crappy steel 5 gallon tank that weighs more than the keg... |
| 04:17.21 | scarynetworkguy | furrywolf: Why not use the tools that are designed to do that job? |
| 04:17.33 | AwesomeMachine | sarge doesn't install on every machine |
| 04:17.36 | scarynetworkguy | Since you could easily kill yourself with a hack. |
| 04:17.41 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i mean.. http://localdnsname/cgi-bin/cricket/grapher.cgi works fine, but not http://thebox'soutsidename/cgi-bin/cricket/grapher.cgi |
| 04:17.41 | furrywolf | scarynetworkguy: do you want to buy me some lightweight air tanks? if you wish to, please do so. :) |
| 04:17.49 | Guerin | furrywolf: i'd also be worried about what might happen if the keg was damaged during use ... if you're still talking about your sculpture race, it might be trouble if it fell over, etc. |
| 04:17.59 | Lathi | ok, this time i'm in expert (2.4), i'm loading only sata_sil (which says it's specifically for the Silicon Image 3114), floppy, ide-core, amd7411, ide-disk, ide-cd, and isofs. |
| 04:18.02 | scarynetworkguy | furrywolf: Meh. On second thought you blowing yourself up would be a win. Ignore me. |
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| 04:18.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:18.25 | Guerin | darwin award |
| 04:18.29 | AwesomeMachine | ok |
| 04:18.38 | Lathi | it loads all those modules fine and prompts for starting pc card servcies. i say no. |
| 04:18.39 | scarynetworkguy | +2 geek points for anybody who knows the source of that quote. |
| 04:18.45 | swim | so an i686 kernel, is that just a kernel where you select an i686 processor in the processor menu? |
| 04:18.54 | Guerin | swim: pretty much. |
| 04:19.07 | Guerin | swim: also apt-get install libc6-i686 |
| 04:19.09 | akusarujin | scarynetworkguy, so that's how you got your nick. |
| 04:19.12 | akusarujin | :) |
| 04:19.13 | AwesomeMachine | you don't want i686 |
| 04:19.17 | Lathi | and it now complains it needs adm76xrom, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-generic, and ide-floppy |
| 04:19.18 | scarynetworkguy | akusarujin: Indeed. |
| 04:19.20 | furrywolf | guerin: a lot of the course is up and down hills, mixed with long flat sections... storing energy during the downhill sections (regenerative braking) or level road (pedal a little harder to avoid pedalling a lot harder later) might be an advantage. |
| 04:19.21 | AwesomeMachine | that's an intel kernel |
| 04:19.27 | happybunny | where else do ID wlan0 besides /etc/networking/interfaces? |
| 04:19.35 | swim | oh so when you say debian has an i686 kernel, your talking about a prebuilt |
| 04:19.49 | Guerin | yeah, an athlon isn't a 686 |
| 04:19.55 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:20.01 | swim | well sort of |
| 04:20.02 | glick | hey how do i take a screen shot of my desktop? |
| 04:20.08 | Guerin | no, no sort of about it |
| 04:20.15 | Guerin | it's not 686-compatible |
| 04:20.21 | Guerin | it's 586 compatible. |
| 04:20.22 | swim | it benifits from the builds |
| 04:20.51 | deadcat | glick: xwd |
| 04:20.55 | AwesomeMachine | glick: print screen key and then paste to gimp |
| 04:21.00 | deadcat | or scrot if you dont want to make xwd |
| 04:21.20 | Guerin | furrywolf: have fun. |
| 04:21.22 | furrywolf | scarynetworkguy: cost is a primary factor... if I have to buy tanks retail, it's just not happening. |
| 04:21.28 | Lathi | i think i've come to the conclusion that i can't use the sarge installer to put debian on this system. i've pretty much tried all the combinations. |
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| 04:21.39 | deadcat | AwesomeMachine: really? the printscreen key actually works? |
| 04:21.53 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: it is a testing version |
| 04:21.53 | EricL | Hello |
| 04:21.57 | Guerin | awright, showertime, then we're going up the mountain with crackers, pate, cheese, coldcuts, fruit and a bottle of wine :) |
| 04:22.01 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: bleh. my brain is toast. we just have a virtualhost set up for all the cricket stuff... |
| 04:22.12 | Lathi | unless there's some module parameter for ide-detect that will work for me |
| 04:22.13 | AwesomeMachine | i have found I can install about every other release |
| 04:22.37 | EricL | I have a debian question |
| 04:22.45 | furrywolf | probably best to do a hydrostatic test on each keg first... hook a pressure washer up to them with a bypass valve and a pressure gauge... if it survives, say, 500psi of water, I can conclude it should survive 100psi of air. |
| 04:22.46 | deadcat | EricL: i dont have the debian answer |
| 04:23.03 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: you have the dvd? |
| 04:23.06 | glick | nah printscreen doesnt work for me |
| 04:23.08 | EricL | heh |
| 04:23.14 | akusarujin | r3tr0, i use a ScriptAlias, which meeeans that it should be viewable from any host/virtual host if i'm not mistaken.... that's what's weird :) |
| 04:23.15 | deadcat | EricL: just ask |
| 04:23.17 | nn | furrywolf: I love my kegs :) |
| 04:23.24 | akusarujin | r3tr0, this could be a job for #apache masters :) |
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| 04:23.49 | Lathi | AwesomeMachine: no, just a CD |
| 04:23.50 | liable | furrywolf: 100 psi is quite a bit of pressure, a keg suddenly rupturing would likely cut you in half |
| 04:23.54 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: any joy in the logs? |
| 04:23.58 | deadcat | AwesomeMachine: really? the printscreen key actually works? |
| 04:23.59 | furrywolf | liable: yep. |
| 04:24.00 | EricL | i want to install Debian, but it looks like either my ethernet cable is dead or the jack is, what should I do? It shows up in device manager |
| 04:24.19 | furrywolf | the other option I thought of was a bunch of parallel lengths of schedule 80 pvc pipe... but that stuff is friggin heavy! |
| 04:24.23 | AwesomeMachine | Lathi: the dvd sometimes works better, but you have to jigdo it |
| 04:24.26 | nn | i keep em full of beer (big) and jack daniels (small) and use a no-foam 0psi electric pump tap on each ;) |
| 04:24.29 | deadcat | EricL: get another ehernet card. |
| 04:24.35 | mrplum | hah |
| 04:24.37 | swim | [quote] |
| 04:24.37 | swim | i686 Processors |
| 04:24.37 | swim | * All Intel 32-bit Pentiums (excluding Pentium 1 and Pentium MMX) |
| 04:24.37 | swim | * All AMD 32-bit Athlons [end quote] |
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| 04:24.40 | EricL | So, it must be the card then? |
| 04:24.45 | scarynetworkguy | furrywolf: I'm the only person in my zip code subscribed to Make. I'm as much about a good non-computer hardware hack *anybody*. The simple fact is there are some applications where anybody with half a brain uses the right tool for the job. Playing with compressed air is one of those. If you have a clue and can't afford it you don't do it. Darwin takes care of the rest for us. |
| 04:24.46 | nn | furrywolf: car related? |
| 04:24.55 | nn | furrywolf: Oh! check out old oxygen bottles :) |
| 04:24.56 | liable | furrywolf: old 100 pound gas bottle? |
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| 04:24.59 | r3tr0 | xwd will do screen caps in X ... how's that? |
| 04:25.00 | Lathi | AwesomeMachine: i skimped on that part of this machine. i pulled an older cd rather than buy a new dvd drive |
| 04:25.07 | nn | the kind people carry |
| 04:25.16 | deadcat | EricL: bootup switch to F2. type ifconfig -a, if it shows and you get nothing from the nic. then its probably the card. |
| 04:25.22 | liable | furrywolf: bit heavy though |
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| 04:25.27 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.36 | AwesomeMachine | you reallly need a dvd drive with debian |
| 04:25.48 | Lathi | AwesomeMachine: why? |
| 04:25.49 | furrywolf | scarynetworkguy: hrmm, google shows bars pressurizing them to 60psi to carbonate beer... |
| 04:26.09 | AwesomeMachine | well, actually not, but that cd 1 install isn't that great |
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| 04:26.19 | Lathi | i've run debian for years on multiple machines without a dvd |
| 04:26.30 | akusarujin | r3tr0, it's a permission issue it seems |
| 04:26.32 | scarynetworkguy | furrywolf: You have fun with that. As far as I'm concered one more stupid person blowing themselves up is a good thing. |
| 04:26.34 | SerajewelKS | i just installed a new hd and partitioned it with partitionmagic, and partition number 6 doesn't show up in linux, while it does on windows |
| 04:26.38 | EricL | ty |
| 04:26.43 | liable | Lathi: does the woody cd work |
| 04:26.46 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you and your -r |
| 04:26.49 | AwesomeMachine | they have it for just using cd 1 |
| 04:26.50 | nn | furrywolf: i'd use large cast tanks, although heavy |
| 04:27.02 | AwesomeMachine | but I tried that and it was hard |
| 04:27.03 | furrywolf | scarynetworkguy: here, strip the end of this wire with your teeth, will ya? |
| 04:27.07 | Lathi | dunno, haven't tried woody. i'm pretty sure it won't like my sata controller. |
| 04:27.07 | swim | Guerin, when i install deb on my athlon, what i686 stuff other than the kernel is available do you know? |
| 04:27.24 | Lathi | and i'd like to install sata+lvm from the start |
| 04:27.34 | akusarujin | r3tr0, it's a complicated issue, sortof. i don't think i want to chown this to the http user, considering.. it's owned by cricket at the moment |
| 04:27.37 | Lathi | rather than install woody, upgrade my kernel, then init the disks |
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| 04:27.45 | AwesomeMachine | woody doesn't even like drives over 137gb |
| 04:27.51 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: i'm just ribbing you, man |
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| 04:27.59 | SerajewelKS | it appears that partition 6 is visible, as fdisk warns about it, it just appears "empty" to the kernel |
| 04:28.02 | SerajewelKS | how can i rectify this? |
| 04:28.15 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah, but i'm not so sure how i can resolve it "the right way" :p |
| 04:28.56 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: check this out - do a 'view image' on the graph, so you can see the url for the image... should include a 'range=' part... |
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| 04:29.03 | namnar | hello |
| 04:29.19 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: it'll be generated by a script called 'mini-graph.cgi' |
| 04:29.51 | SerajewelKS | i've never had partitionmagic goof up like this... it's usually really good about making linux happy |
| 04:30.04 | akusarujin | range=151200 |
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| 04:30.07 | Lathi | what about using wessel danker's xfs netinst image for woody? |
| 04:30.10 | akusarujin | r3tr0, range=151200 * |
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| 04:30.26 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: change that 'range=' value to something sane, like 12600, and you'll zoom in on the graph. |
| 04:30.39 | Joslyn | Hi, is it possible to make only certain IRQ's to be assigned to PCI cards? |
| 04:30.46 | Lathi | or the hilux installer? |
| 04:30.46 | nn | SerajewelKS: hah my NTFS partitions got misaligned by it! |
| 04:31.00 | nn | SerajewelKS: and linux kernel would panic on trying to mount em |
| 04:31.08 | akusarujin | r3tr0, hmm, i wonder what those units are broken into? seconds? |
| 04:31.17 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah. |
| 04:31.20 | SerajewelKS | nn, the kernel isn't panicing, it's not detecting the partition at all |
| 04:31.26 | akusarujin | does the graph have a domain? |
| 04:31.28 | SerajewelKS | fdisk warns "omitting empty partition (6)" |
| 04:31.35 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: how's that again? |
| 04:31.39 | SerajewelKS | what qualifies a partition as "empty"? |
| 04:31.47 | akusarujin | welll, it _does_, technically, but does it have a domain=? |
| 04:31.52 | nn | SerajewelKS: probably identical start/end addresses |
| 04:31.54 | NihN| | are there boot floppies available that will boot you INTO the installer? |
| 04:31.59 | nn | SerajewelKS: PM is good at goofing address up :) |
| 04:32.15 | SerajewelKS | okay so... options? |
| 04:32.25 | SerajewelKS | can i force fdisk to show me that partition entry? |
| 04:32.27 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: sorry, still not following. pretend i'm not awake. |
| 04:32.45 | nn | parted or that one partition table recovery app might be able to correct it, but i'd back the partition table up w/ fdisk first! |
| 04:32.46 | liable | NihN|: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc3/images/floppy/ |
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| 04:32.55 | akusarujin | r3tr0, or i guess maybe this 'range' isn't the typical mathematical range... since the height (range) is found dynamically, i guess they use "range=" to set the domain of the graph |
| 04:33.01 | Joslyn | PCI cards use up all the IRQ's that I can't use any ISA cards. Is there a possible solution for this? |
| 04:33.03 | nn | SerajewelKS: don't wanna make anything worse, ya know? |
| 04:33.35 | SerajewelKS | nn, yeah, how does one do that? |
| 04:33.35 | NihN| | liable: those will boot me into the installer? |
| 04:33.35 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: ah, got you. sorry - i was thinking domain like DNS ... had me stumped. |
| 04:33.35 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.35 | NihN| | liable: Do i just copy the boot.img onto the floppy? |
| 04:33.40 | nn | probably in chipset settings or such |
| 04:33.46 | nn | SerajewelKS: man fdisk |
| 04:33.55 | liable | NihN|: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
| 04:33.56 | SerajewelKS | nn, i'm not /that/ dense. it doesn't say how to. |
| 04:33.56 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you can set that, but it's not a GET request option you can play with. |
| 04:33.59 | akusarujin | r3tr0, ahh okay, sorry about that.. "domain" has many definitions in the computer/science/math world, i should have been more clear |
| 04:34.09 | akusarujin | ahh, okay |
| 04:34.10 | nn | SerajewelKS: i'm not on a linux box at the moment |
| 04:34.18 | nn | SerajewelKS: not trying to be a smartass |
| 04:34.29 | NihN| | liable: Thank you very much. |
| 04:34.31 | r3tr0 | (has all the math skills of a carrot) |
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| 04:34.42 | liable | NihN|: np |
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| 04:34.49 | SerajewelKS | nn, i think this can be done with dd |
| 04:34.50 | Joslyn | nn: My BIOS has no options to set IRQ's. Anyway, Linux ignores BIOS whatever I do with BIOS. |
| 04:34.52 | nn | just a chroot of a tiny debian install on fbsd w/ the emulation |
| 04:34.54 | SerajewelKS | how many bytes is the partition table? |
| 04:35.07 | nn | SerajewelKS: I'm sure it could, iirc the ptable lies just past the boot sector |
| 04:35.17 | akusarujin | r3tr0, well, the range setting is still good to know |
| 04:35.18 | nn | SerajewelKS: www.osdever.org would be a good bet on that info |
| 04:35.28 | akusarujin | r3tr0, makes for a quick 'hack' to view it slightly differently |
| 04:35.28 | nn | SerajewelKS: or #osdev |
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| 04:36.21 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: until you're doing mtargets stuff (multi-targets), the autoscale option does an okay job. |
| 04:36.31 | Joslyn | nn: I want to set PCI IRQ sequences that are detected by ACPI. Is there any way to change it with Linux? Maybe with ACPI DSDT? |
| 04:36.59 | SerajewelKS | nn, according to google, grabbing the first 512 bytes of the disk gets everything |
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| 04:36.59 | nn | Joslyn: ahh, ACPI is a bit more ackward, i've not seen many machines with ISA and ACPI |
| 04:37.13 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: heck yes, it means you can make a page to display the same graph at different time scales |
| 04:37.13 | nn | SerajewelKS: cool, i wasn't sure if it was sector 0 or 1 and didn't want to be responsible for an accident |
| 04:37.21 | SerajewelKS | lol |
| 04:37.27 | d03boy | is ACPI what controls downclocking of a pentium-m proc? I dont think mine downclocks |
| 04:37.42 | nn | my ia32 machdep skills are rusty |
| 04:38.06 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah :D |
| 04:38.21 | nn | thus why i boot my microkernel with grub and let Adrian's vfs and machdep code do their voodoo :) |
| 04:38.21 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: which otherwise (unless i'm a bonehead - which is probable) is a real bitch to get cricket to want to do automagically |
| 04:38.21 | akusarujin | r3tr0, multiple targets would be cool, you mean having multiple machines stacked on the same graph? that's neat. |
| 04:38.49 | mrplum | So has anyone read any more chatter about Sarge being released this Monday? |
| 04:39.03 | d03boy | rumors... lies... bah! |
| 04:39.09 | mrplum | :) |
| 04:39.09 | SerajewelKS | nn, parted ain't happy |
| 04:39.15 | SerajewelKS | when i try to 'print' it says "Error: Invalid partition table on /dev/hdb - wrong signature 0" |
| 04:39.18 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah, or interfaces. or temp VS load... etc. |
| 04:39.33 | furrywolf | "All containers made in Europe (whether kegs or casks) are designed for a working pressure of 4 bar (60 psig) and every one is tested at manufacture and after repair to 6 bar (90 psig). In practice, aluminium containers rarely fail at less than 20 bar (300 psig) and stainless steel ones will commonly withstand 70 bar (1000 psig)." |
| 04:39.36 | mrplum | 28 rc bugs, was 50 yesterday |
| 04:39.49 | Joslyn | nn: Do you think it's possible to change which IRQ's PCI cards are assigned by using custom ACPI DSDT? |
| 04:40.12 | nn | Joslyn: I really don't know acpi, it's an ia32 thing i've not really played with yet ;\ |
| 04:40.32 | nn | i've just recently got non-acpi irq routing working |
| 04:40.43 | akusarujin | r3tr0, that's convenient |
| 04:42.43 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: yeah. i got a lot of razz for putting snmpd on EVERYTHING once i got it up and running. somewhere there are fan speeds of all our routers being happily graphed... |
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| 04:44.54 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: you can actually pipe script output into an OID(? - maybe i mean MIB?) - and then graph that. i let it get a bit out of hand... |
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| 04:47.35 | akusarujin | r3tr0, MIB, you mean, yeah.. i read up on it but haven't actually worked with it that much *just* yet, but i plan on it for sure. |
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| 04:48.19 | akusarujin | r3tr0, from how i understand it you can set MIB variables and get-request them for a graph; it's pretty, neat actually.. |
| 04:48.31 | akusarujin | i just need to find the time to put some things together for it :) |
| 04:48.41 | john | !ne1 |
| 04:48.41 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 04:49.52 | glick | whatchu think of my desktop? |
| 04:49.53 | glick | http://img261.echo.cx/my.php?image=screen4en.jpg |
| 04:50.13 | r3tr0 | akusarujin: i found using the 'exec' style MIB stuff easier than trying to use 'pass' and being fancy with exit codes... |
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| 04:50.31 | deadcat | glick: not bad. too dark |
| 04:51.18 | glick | yo think its too dark? |
| 04:51.27 | deadcat | glick: way too dark |
| 04:51.53 | akusarujin | r3tr0, yeah, i only read on it briefly |
| 04:52.11 | glick | why is that bad for the eyes or something? |
| 04:53.03 | deadcat | glick: no. just cant see shit. |
| 04:53.16 | glick | lol |
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| 04:54.09 | deadcat | glick: did you just xwd -root -out screen.jpg and its a .jpg file? or you have to convert? |
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| 04:54.40 | glick | deadcat, i had to convert it gimp converted it |
| 04:55.01 | deadcat | glick: xwd -frame | convert - hello.png is MUCH faster. |
| 04:55.19 | deadcat | glick: faster than scrot or import |
| 04:55.28 | furrywolf | welp, sore and tired wolfy is heading to bed early... bbl, sleep. :) |
| 04:56.30 | deadcat | glick: have you tried the other themes for xfce? and why you blur the username. i still see it at the prompt: "dbunch" |
| 04:56.53 | deadcat | glick: are you ashame to show that name? (= |
| 04:56.57 | furrywolf | too many leeches on bittorrent... I have 4% of a file, and already my share rating is 110. as in, I've uploaded 4000% of what I've downloaded. |
| 04:57.15 | furrywolf | or is that 40000%? |
| 04:57.24 | mrplum | what are you downloading?? |
| 04:57.27 | mrplum | star wars 3? |
| 04:57.28 | mrplum | lol |
| 04:57.32 | deadcat | haha. |
| 04:57.34 | deadcat | and porn |
| 04:57.37 | furrywolf | "Bagi". |
| 04:57.49 | furrywolf | apparently some furry video someone told me to get. |
| 04:58.11 | deadcat | glick: you watching female orgasm on that screenshot? (=. is that why you try to hide your userid? heheh |
| 04:58.30 | mrplum | furry? like as in the fetish? |
| 04:58.38 | furrywolf | furry is not a fetish. |
| 04:58.49 | mrplum | :-) |
| 04:58.50 | glick | deadcat, lol no thats my away message |
| 04:59.07 | deadcat | glick: ah. (= |
| 04:59.29 | r3tr0 | turning in. smooth sailing. |
| 04:59.30 | glick | deadcat, lol i did a shitty job tryin to hide it |
| 04:59.43 | glick | i missed it in like 30 places |
| 04:59.46 | glick | lol |
| 04:59.46 | furrywolf | glick: that has to be one of the ugliest desktops I've ever seen. |
| 04:59.47 | deadcat | glick: yes you did... now punish yourself. |
| 05:00.03 | glick | furrywolf, your just jealous |
| 05:00.07 | mrplum | furrywolf, furries I thought are a group of people who like to dress up as animals and have sex ( |
| 05:00.08 | deadcat | furrywolf: ya... one ugly mother fucker (= |
| 05:00.24 | Azar | ls porn |
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| 05:01.04 | furrywolf | mrplum: no. what you just described is about 0.01% of furries, which thanks to media sensationalism, get 99.99% of the media attention. |
| 05:01.14 | deadcat | glick: i think the default xfce4 theme looks better than what you have right now. |
| 05:01.15 | Azar | I wonder if any gaming software ever made a blade runner |
| 05:01.34 | mrplum | oh. I'd love to be educated. I don't like be brainwashed by the media |
| 05:01.43 | furrywolf | and most furs won't even talk to them. :P |
| 05:01.51 | mrplum | lol, yea that's kinda weird |
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| 05:03.19 | glick | lol you jealous Mutha F..... |
| 05:03.23 | furrywolf | most furs are people with a strong connection to or interest in anthropomorphic animals, and/or see them selves with animal characteristics, and/or would be perfectly content as a given animal, and/or like anthropomorphic art, and/or think of themselves as furry. no one's been able to give a good explanation or definition, so I won't bother trying. :) |
| 05:03.41 | deadcat | glick: whos jealous? |
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| 05:04.43 | glick | deadcat, you n furry |
| 05:04.46 | don-o | how do i select gcc 4.0 as the default c compiler? (to get a symlink as 'gcc') |
| 05:04.58 | deadcat | glick: (= not at your shit no hehe. |
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| 05:05.21 | deadcat | anyone else have a screenshot for me to criticize? (= |
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| 05:07.56 | bob2 | don-o: with ln |
| 05:07.59 | bob2 | don-o: but why? |
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| 05:08.37 | don-o | bob2: some distros have a script to do that and i didnt want to ln gcc and not know about the 3 other steps needed (assuming there are other steps) |
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| 05:09.18 | m^rk | can someone help me find the "most common" net install for the latest stable debian? |
| 05:09.24 | moyix | anyone know why I might suddenly be unable to boot kernel 2.6.11, with a message like "unable to resolve device name"? it started after an apt-get upgrade, and previous 2.6 series kernels have been just fine |
| 05:09.37 | moyix | (stock debian kernel) |
| 05:10.45 | liable | !tell m^rk about d-i |
| 05:10.48 | bob2 | don-o: I don't believe there's a simple permanent way to change where the gcc symlink points |
| 05:10.52 | bob2 | and there is a good reason for that |
| 05:11.10 | bob2 | don-o: personally, if I wanted to build some stuff with gcc4, I'd do: ./configure CC=gcc-4.0 --blah |
| 05:12.27 | don-o | okay. i'll get by with ln gcc for now. thanks! |
| 05:12.32 | quitte | don-o you could change the rules file of gcc-defaults. compare the version for amd64 and the version in sid |
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| 05:13.02 | lexxan | !pal bob2 |
| 05:13.20 | bob2 | ...ok. |
| 05:13.49 | Joslyn | is amd64 for next 64-bit cpu's from both AMD and Intel? |
| 05:14.02 | bob2 | yes |
| 05:14.09 | bob2 | em64t is the name intel made up for it, iirc |
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| 05:14.39 | quitte | don-o: in case you actually do that - send me a copy |
| 05:14.40 | Joslyn | ah, thanks |
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| 05:17.00 | Joslyn | Can I run ia32 binaries inside amd64 architecture? |
| 05:17.07 | adexta | how do i increase the buffer with mpg123? |
| 05:17.26 | adexta | Joslyn: likely, but if you do, they won't run fast |
| 05:17.36 | adexta | just in 32 bit mode |
| 05:17.57 | quitte | that doesnt mean they dont run fast |
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| 05:19.16 | Joslyn | Is it possible to switch an existing system from ia32 to amd64 architecture? |
| 05:20.16 | bob2 | no |
| 05:20.21 | bob2 | spdf: please turn that off |
| 05:20.39 | Joslyn | bob2: No? |
| 05:20.49 | bob2 | Joslyn: no |
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| 05:20.55 | bob2 | Joslyn: they're different architectures |
| 05:21.06 | bob2 | in the future you will be able to |
| 05:21.21 | bob2 | once dpkg/apt/everything does "multi-arch", but not until well after sarge is out |
| 05:21.39 | bob2 | adexta: mpg321 doesn't seem to have an option for that, but madplay at least does. |
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| 05:22.46 | adexta | is there a .deb for madplay? |
| 05:22.55 | adexta | NO! |
| 05:23.01 | adexta | THERE IS NO RAPE! |
| 05:23.01 | Nigel | adexta: apt-cache search madplay |
| 05:23.04 | Nigel | i dunno... |
| 05:23.07 | liable | wtf |
| 05:23.08 | adexta | sorry, wrong channel |
| 05:23.15 | bob2 | erm |
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| 05:24.48 | Phated | I do. |
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| 05:25.22 | Phated | Of course, out-of-context quotes are always funnier, so maybe it's not that good a channel after all. |
| 05:25.37 | liable | true :) |
| 05:25.49 | jetscreamer | yeah! |
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| 05:26.18 | punsad | df |
| 05:26.44 | punsad | woops - meant to type that in another window |
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| 05:28.51 | chaps0063 | hello all... |
| 05:29.07 | whiteox | hey chaps |
| 05:29.18 | chaps0063 | what do i need my apt-get sources set to to get the 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:29.26 | whiteox | dont think anyones else alive in here |
| 05:29.29 | chaps0063 | right now they are "testing" |
| 05:29.34 | chaps0063 | haha, i just got home. |
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| 05:29.39 | chaps0063 | and im half a n00b. |
| 05:29.41 | ShaneAu | Ello |
| 05:29.52 | punsad | chaps0063: are you running sarge? |
| 05:30.00 | chaps0063 | 10-4 |
| 05:30.00 | liable | chaps0063: you should be able to with testing |
| 05:30.01 | whiteox | well u prob no more than me first time here and trying debian |
| 05:30.32 | chaps0063 | liable, im trying to get 2.6 and then get it working with my Lifebook T4010 |
| 05:30.59 | liable | chaps0063: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick the one you want, install it |
| 05:31.00 | ShaneAu | How can I get apt-get to install php4 "with-mysql'? |
| 05:31.51 | liable | chaps0063: you may want to change your sources list to sarge too. |
| 05:32.01 | chaps0063 | liable, to? |
| 05:32.06 | punsad | chaps0063: type apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 and it'll give you the different packages to choose from |
| 05:32.08 | liable | sarge |
| 05:32.12 | deadcat | ShaneAu: apt-cache search |
| 05:32.24 | liable | chaps0063: s/testing/sarge |
| 05:32.28 | ShaneAu | php4-mysql? Didn't work |
| 05:32.44 | bob2 | ShaneAu: you read the README? |
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| 05:33.18 | ShaneAu | README, for what! MySLQ? PHP? apt-get? apt-cache? cacti? |
| 05:33.21 | MaTTFuRY | I have a problem: |
| 05:33.31 | MaTTFuRY | how do i install the gui in linux? |
| 05:33.43 | Nigel | hmmm default exim4 install, i'm getting "Mailing to remote domains not supported", can someone tell me which option i need to change... |
| 05:33.58 | liable | hehe |
| 05:34.04 | punsad | MaTTFuRY: apt-get install startkde - this will install everything else you need... start from there |
| 05:34.31 | MaTTFuRY | is that all? |
| 05:34.46 | liable | MaTTFuRY: what do you want? kde, gnome, or a million other wm's |
| 05:35.08 | MaTTFuRY | also I'm using err sarge mini-cd |
| 05:35.12 | punsad | MaTTFuRY: I think so... apt-get will check the dependencies .. kdebase, x-window-system, etc... and install them |
| 05:35.17 | MaTTFuRY | (net install) |
| 05:35.40 | liable | MaTTFuRY: you can choose a desktop environment during the install |
| 05:35.49 | MaTTFuRY | punsad: I'm going to use GNOME :P |
| 05:35.50 | punsad | MaTTFuRY: that's good that means you have net connectivity and apt-get shouw be working |
| 05:36.00 | chaps0063 | kernel-image-2.6-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4. |
| 05:36.00 | chaps0063 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:36.22 | MaTTFuRY | yah i've downloaded the latest err desktop stuff, (i've got a bad memory!) |
| 05:36.41 | punsad | chaps0063: go ahead and install it, if you need other modules, you may need to recompile source |
| 05:36.42 | lexxan | use gnome kde su |
| 05:36.46 | lexxan | x' |
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| 05:37.02 | MaTTFuRY | punsad: is that apt command for kde? |
| 05:37.03 | chaps0063 | punsad, 10-4 |
| 05:37.11 | MaTTFuRY | cuz i want GNOME- |
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| 05:37.29 | liable | MaTTFuRY: are you still doing the install? |
| 05:37.30 | MaTTFuRY | ? |
| 05:37.30 | lexxan | why is java so damn slow on linu |
| 05:37.32 | lexxan | x |
| 05:37.35 | punsad | MaTTFuRY: yeah... that's for kde |
| 05:37.47 | MaTTFuRY | Liable: using a windows box now |
| 05:37.49 | punsad | MaTTFuRY: so you can do apt-get install gnome-session |
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| 05:38.14 | Strath | i have kinda got apt-move working to create a partial mirror but am currious why quite a large number of packages are being skipped durring `apt-move move` |
| 05:38.14 | MaTTFuRY | thanks ;) how do i get like all? gnome kde etc.,? |
| 05:38.24 | glick | hey what is the usb mass storage module called? |
| 05:38.26 | chaps0063 | punsad, installled, brb rebooting. |
| 05:38.52 | punsad | MaTTFuRY: apt-get install gnome-session startkde (as an example) |
| 05:39.23 | MaTTFuRY | so just keep listing them? |
| 05:39.46 | lexxan | whats a super lightweight browser in X that will work with java? |
| 05:39.51 | MaTTFuRY | so apt-get install gnome-session startkde #x# |
| 05:39.53 | punsad | MaTTFuRY: yeah... you can also use dselect. some people hate it. I don't mind it so much. |
| 05:40.03 | MaTTFuRY | what it do? |
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| 05:40.20 | punsad | MaTTFuRU |
| 05:40.44 | punsad | MaTTFuRY:it's a curses based package selection program... a front end for apt-get |
| 05:40.47 | MaTTFuRY | is it another desktop stop? |
| 05:41.01 | punsad | MaTTFuRY:it's a curses based package selection program... a front end for dpkg rather... i'm not sure exactly |
| 05:41.35 | punsad | MaTTFuRY: "desktop stop"? dunno what that is... it is text based, if that's ur question |
| 05:41.36 | MaTTFuRY | well i'll try it, g2g install: working well so far!! =D |
| 05:41.52 | MaTTFuRY | ohh sorry ;P |
| 05:42.08 | MaTTFuRY | i have a really bad memory and forget to type some words |
| 05:42.15 | MaTTFuRY | (sometimes) |
| 05:42.20 | MaTTFuRY | ^^ see :P |
| 05:42.57 | MaTTFuRY | i recently just got away from Fedora Core 3: will try #4 on the 6th of june (release) |
| 05:43.16 | punsad | Batou77: FWIW - I'm running 400MHz AMDK6II, 256 MB ram and it works great... as long as you don't also use it as a workstation |
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| 05:45.31 | punsad | bodom: usually its ./configure, then 'make' and 'make insta;;' |
| 05:45.38 | punsad | bodom: usually its ./configure, then 'make' and 'make install' - i mean |
| 05:45.53 | morgoth_me | Has anyone used smb4k (from Sid) to successfully connect to shares offered via a win2k3 server? i've set client signing to yes and changed smb4k from smbfs to cifs but no luck...I can see the share, but can't open it (it's greyed out). I can access said share via the command line and also konqueror and also xsmbrowser...any ideas? |
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| 05:49.49 | Glitch_Master | Sun's java installer binary doesn't integrate with firefox. What java will? |
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| 05:51.04 | amorphix | greets |
| 05:51.11 | amorphix | !seen furrywolf |
| 05:51.11 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 3854 messages. Is idling for 47m 49s |
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| 05:52.18 | morgoth_me | Glitch_Master: maybe try blackdown java? |
| 05:52.20 | morgoth_me | http://www.blackdown.org/ |
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| 05:52.39 | xpato | hi |
| 05:52.40 | ia2k | !seen crenix |
| 05:52.40 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'crenix', ia2k |
| 05:52.44 | Joslyn | Does anyone have a problem with Linux kernel 2.6.11.11? I get an error with fbmon.c |
| 05:52.48 | xpato | i lost my partition table |
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| 05:53.13 | xpato | and one of the partitions was a LVM PV, with 3 LVs on it |
| 05:53.29 | xpato | its posible to restore it? |
| 05:53.33 | Nigel | i think the debian bts is getting sick of me... |
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| 05:54.22 | jerware | heyelloowwww !!! |
| 05:54.36 | jerware | has anyone talked to komozo today? |
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| 05:54.58 | |XO3| | can some one help me with a regex? |
| 05:55.21 | liable | !seen komozo |
| 05:55.21 | dpkg | komozo is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 36 messages. Is idling for 60d 20h 3m 5s |
| 05:55.24 | punsad | |XO3|: lay it on us |
| 05:55.41 | xpato | i lost my partition table |
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| 05:56.25 | xpato | i lost my partition table |
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| 05:56.40 | |XO3| | <!-- BDP: dmn_mngmnt -->(alot of chars, spaces, newline)id="email"></a></td>(spaces,newline)</tr> |
| 05:56.43 | nagual | repeat again, and im going to take one of your testicles |
| 05:56.44 | amorphix | does anyone know what wacdump (Wacom testing utiltity) is supposed to do after it's started? is output to screen or a log? |
| 05:56.46 | liable | !tell xpato about repeat |
| 05:57.05 | Joslyn | xpato: that is very unfortunate |
| 05:57.35 | bob2 | |XO3|: you can't parse html in general with regexps |
| 05:57.37 | bob2 | just so you know |
| 05:57.40 | punsad | xpato: never had that happen .. wish I could help |
| 05:58.20 | glick | hey is ohci_hcd the usb2 driver? |
| 05:58.29 | jetscreamer | ehci iirc |
| 05:58.57 | |XO3| | bob2 then how am i suppose to do it? |
| 05:59.02 | liable | or is it uhci |
| 05:59.07 | jetscreamer | e |
| 05:59.11 | bob2 | |XO3|: I don't know what you're trying to do |
| 05:59.11 | punsad | glick: ehci-hcd |
| 05:59.13 | jetscreamer | o & u are regular |
| 05:59.21 | Joslyn | I have. I had to spend 1 day to recover my partition table. |
| 05:59.25 | bob2 | but just bear in mind regexps are not powerful enough to do aribtrary things to xml |
| 06:00.12 | Nigel | hmmm default exim4 install, i'm getting "Mailing to remote domains not supported", can someone tell me which option i need to change... |
| 06:00.38 | glick | thanks PunkZY |
| 06:00.39 | jerware | liable and/or dpkg: does komozo often hang in here? iv been trying to contact him for some while |
| 06:00.42 | glick | punsad, |
| 06:00.46 | |XO3| | bob2 i have to do a search and replace in alot of html files... i want to use perl -pi -e to do it...but im not good with regex :( |
| 06:00.55 | bob2 | Nigel: sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:01.04 | punsad | glick: no prob |
| 06:01.05 | liable | jerware: doesnt look like it lately |
| 06:01.07 | bob2 | |XO3|: did you explain somewhere what you're trying to do? |
| 06:01.14 | jerware | ok thanx |
| 06:05.09 | amorphix | only fluffywolf can help me now and he's not here :-/ |
| 06:05.15 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 06:05.30 | amorphix | whats up jet? |
| 06:05.46 | jetscreamer | fluffy is gone wtf shall we ever do |
| 06:06.02 | |XO3| | bob2 i want to replace the following <!-- BDP: dmn_mngmnt -->(alot of chars, spaces, newline)id="email"></a></td>(spaces,newline)</tr> with nothing |
| 06:06.10 | amorphix | ive given up hope |
| 06:06.18 | jetscreamer | actuall, fluffy doesn't have any balls or claws, and is outside |
| 06:06.24 | amorphix | reinstall Windows XP mebbe? |
| 06:06.29 | jetscreamer | and has long hair |
| 06:06.33 | amorphix | hehe |
| 06:06.57 | jetscreamer | amorphix: yeah i guess xp is the way to go |
| 06:07.06 | amorphix | would seem so |
| 06:07.25 | transgress_ | xp is never the way to go |
| 06:07.29 | transgress_ | what's the problem? |
| 06:07.51 | jetscreamer | i'd install xp if i had it |
| 06:07.55 | amorphix | i cant get my hardware to work in Debian (Wacom PenPartner graphics tablet) |
| 06:07.56 | transgress_ | why? |
| 06:08.01 | jetscreamer | and erase this crappy free stuff |
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| 06:08.12 | jetscreamer | i want to be owned! |
| 06:08.21 | transgress_ | hmm |
| 06:08.25 | jetscreamer | i want to be bill's bitch |
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| 06:08.46 | Joslyn | amorphix: Is it USB device? |
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| 06:08.53 | i3dmaster | how to disable my speaker beep in the console mode? |
| 06:09.00 | amorphix | it's a serial one so should be easier to setup (in theory) |
| 06:09.28 | spdf | amorphix, Paste your InputDevice section for the tablet into #flood |
| 06:09.38 | jazzplayer | how can one hide her IP address (as in this chatroom) for instance? |
| 06:09.38 | amorphix | I've followed the howto and updated to Sid and kernel, and also compiled the driver |
| 06:09.46 | amorphix | okay |
| 06:10.08 | transgress_ | amorphix: have you looked at http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/main |
| 06:10.12 | jetscreamer | jazzplayer: one way is to donate to freenode and get a cloak |
| 06:10.17 | punsad | amorphix: what are you trying to get working? |
| 06:10.29 | jetscreamer | amorphix: also http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Wacom-Tablet-HOWTO.html |
| 06:10.30 | jazzplayer | any other ways jetscreamer ? |
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| 06:10.49 | jazzplayer | what do you all think about ubuntu, by the way? |
| 06:10.56 | jetscreamer | jazzplayer: probably but i haven't gotten around to learning that yet |
| 06:10.56 | amorphix | punsad: just normal functioning on Wacom PenPartner graphics pad, pointer movement etc |
| 06:10.59 | transgress_ | i'm using it atm on my lappy jetscreamer |
| 06:11.06 | jetscreamer | i love ubuntu i wish i could afford ubuntu |
| 06:11.07 | transgress_ | i'm quite fond of it... |
| 06:11.14 | transgress_ | umm... it's free |
| 06:11.26 | jazzplayer | ubuntu is free jetscreamer . what are you meaning? |
| 06:11.44 | punsad | amorphix: don't know nuthin bout it.... do you have the correct module installed? |
| 06:11.45 | jazzplayer | so transgress_ , do you you have both Debian and ubuntu on your PC? |
| 06:11.45 | jetscreamer | man, if i ran ubuntu, i could come in #debian and ask for help just like all those other people |
| 06:12.10 | jazzplayer | jetscreamer, is that so? |
| 06:12.13 | transgress_ | jazzplayer: on different computers yes |
| 06:12.28 | jetscreamer | (nothing wrong with ubuntu jazzplayer ) |
| 06:12.34 | punsad | I thought about installing ubuntu, but tried sarge first - turned out to be very easy |
| 06:12.39 | jazzplayer | jetscreamer, a person running ubuntu could find answers here at #debian without getting any wrong advice? |
| 06:13.05 | transgress_ | if debian had a regular release schedule i'd probably use it and it only... but... it doesn't... yet |
| 06:13.25 | transgress_ | jazzplayer: eh depends... there are some newer packages in ubuntu |
| 06:13.44 | jetscreamer | that's a loaded question that hanging in the channel long enough will answer, jazzplayer |
| 06:14.00 | amorphix | spdf: I've pasted to flood |
| 06:14.02 | amorphix | transgress_ yes ive been following that howto for 3 days |
| 06:14.03 | bob2 | jetscreamer: ub |
| 06:14.06 | bob2 | bah |
| 06:14.17 | m^rk | apt get always gives me "connection to blea.blea.blea) (1.0.0.0) and never changes, for every source. It's not a dns problem because I can ping stuff.. any ideas? |
| 06:14.19 | jetscreamer | humbug baby |
| 06:14.20 | bob2 | jazzplayer: ubuntu users coming here for help is highly annoying and rude |
| 06:14.39 | bob2 | m^rk: er, if it's resolving stuff to 1.0.0.0, it IS a dns problem |
| 06:14.52 | m^rk | i can resolve anything through ping |
| 06:14.57 | jazzplayer | jetscreamer, what i mean is not "will debian chatters" give wrong advice, but "are debian and ubuntu so similar that what one does in Ubuntu is virtually the same as what one does in Debian"? |
| 06:15.14 | jazzplayer | bob2, why is it annoying/rude? |
| 06:15.24 | transgress_ | because this isn't #ubuntu |
| 06:15.27 | jazzplayer | bob2, do you go to the ubuntu room too? |
| 06:15.40 | bob2 | jazzplayer: yes |
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| 06:15.49 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 06:15.51 | jazzplayer | and what do you do in ubuntu chatroom, bob2? |
| 06:15.52 | bob2 | jazzplayer: it's annoying because they're not using debian |
| 06:15.57 | transgress_ | jetscreamer: if you don't enable universe and multiverse, pretty much all of it |
| 06:15.58 | bob2 | jazzplayer: the same thing I do here |
| 06:16.00 | bob2 | answer stupid questions |
| 06:16.22 | transgress_ | you seem cheerier in #ubuntu bob2 ;) |
| 06:16.31 | jetscreamer | so ubuntu thinks it's jet li ? |
| 06:16.32 | jazzplayer | bob2, but if ubuntu is very similar to debian, what's wrong with seeking answers in #debian? |
| 06:16.40 | bob2 | jazzplayer: because you're not using debian |
| 06:16.51 | bob2 | and if you don't know the difference, you won't know when your question is ubuntu-specific |
| 06:16.55 | bob2 | and it's just rude |
| 06:17.05 | bob2 | if you want a helpful community, use a distro with a helpful community |
| 06:17.08 | zinx | jazzplayer: most of the problems don't happen in debian, and many of the ones that do should be solved in a different way |
| 06:17.16 | jetscreamer | jazzplayer: it's like buying a hamburger in macdonalds then going in burgerking and getting some ketchup for it |
| 06:17.25 | bob2 | the fact #ubuntu is almost entirely inhabited by very very very new linux users should form part of your decision about a distro |
| 06:17.49 | jazzplayer | bob2, i'm not understanding. |
| 06:17.54 | transgress_ | hmm |
| 06:17.57 | jetscreamer | i explained it pretty clear |
| 06:18.15 | jazzplayer | bob2, ubuntu has a rep for being userfriendly, hence the high newbie population. |
| 06:18.32 | transgress_ | i don't think that's quite fair bob2. just because newbs use it doesn't make it any less of a use to me... |
| 06:18.41 | jetscreamer | oh translation? buncha n00bs make up a large percentage of the ubuntu channel regulars maybe. loose translation. |
| 06:18.46 | bob2 | transgress_: yes, but it means it's harder to get help |
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| 06:18.56 | bob2 | since the channel has less experienced people |
| 06:19.06 | bob2 | jazzplayer: right |
| 06:19.11 | zinx | jazzplayer: the bottom line is, if you try getting help with your ubuntu problem here, you'll probably end up wasting your time, and/or rendering your system useless due to advice that only works on debian systems |
| 06:19.25 | zinx | jazzplayer: wasting your time and other people's time, that is |
| 06:19.30 | bob2 | jazzplayer: but when you pick ubuntu, you have to deal with the fact that most of the people who can ask for help in the IRC question will not be able to help you |
| 06:19.35 | transgress_ | bob2: eh i tend to get help pretty quick when i need it. and i do try to help to the best of my extent as well. |
| 06:19.40 | jazzplayer | zinx, that's what i thought. But aren't debian and ubuntu kissing cousins? |
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| 06:19.54 | zinx | jazzplayer: knoppix has a lot of the same packages too. it's also quite different in many respects. |
| 06:20.09 | glick | jazzplayer, you can ask linux generic questions in here |
| 06:20.22 | bob2 | transgress_: sure, I'm not ripping on anyone, I'm just pointing out there's lots of factors to take into account :) |
| 06:20.29 | glick | but dont ask specific unbuntu related questions in a #debian room dude |
| 06:20.29 | jetscreamer | you ask those in ##linux |
| 06:20.31 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 06:20.31 | bob2 | e.g. slackware presumably has a hard core tech irc channel |
| 06:20.37 | glick | hehe |
| 06:20.43 | bob2 | but that doesn't make up for being damn annoying to use ;p |
| 06:20.48 | zinx | jazzplayer: the problem isn't with the packages that are the same, it's with the packages that aren't :) |
| 06:21.20 | jetscreamer | ubuntu provides personal trainers |
| 06:21.22 | jazzplayer | zinx, for the Debian packages that have been tweaked for ubuntu. |
| 06:21.28 | glick | for example i got help from #gentoo about my dns screwing up when i was using ubuntu, but asked it in a way that wasnt distro specific |
| 06:21.31 | zinx | jazzplayer: and for some of the core packages - which are the first to get replaced by debian-based distributions - this tends to affect everything |
| 06:21.36 | bob2 | jetscreamer: if you pay for it |
| 06:21.48 | bob2 | glick: see, that's not a huge problem |
| 06:21.48 | jazzplayer | jetscreamer, personal trainers in the form of people in the #ubuntu chatroom, yes? |
| 06:21.55 | jetscreamer | oh, do they really? |
| 06:22.05 | bob2 | glick: but newbies often can't tell if their question is distro-specific or not |
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| 06:22.20 | transgress_ | eh slackware's channel bugs the piss out of me |
| 06:22.28 | jetscreamer | jazzplayer: i'm practicing being an asshole, you can ignore me (but you might misss something) |
| 06:22.30 | transgress_ | it's dead half the time because they allow no off topicness |
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| 06:22.36 | iLLf8d | good evening all |
| 06:22.48 | jazzplayer | good afternoon, iLLf8d |
| 06:23.15 | iLLf8d | anyone know why mount as root often changes permissions on mountpoint that doesn't correlate to mountpath permission or /etc/fstab permissions? |
| 06:23.28 | jazzplayer | jetscreamer, i'm not ignoring you. on the conrary. |
| 06:23.34 | jazzplayer | contrary. |
| 06:23.35 | jetscreamer | sounds like discover managing your mountpoints iLLf8d |
| 06:23.38 | iLLf8d | how goes it jazzplayer |
| 06:23.41 | jetscreamer | but i could be wrong |
| 06:23.43 | bob2 | iLLf8d: fstab options have no effect on unix filesystems |
| 06:23.56 | jazzplayer | iLLf8d, having a great chat abotu Debian and her cousin, Ubuntu. |
| 06:23.59 | ShaneAu | humm |
| 06:24.02 | bob2 | iLLf8d: so, when you mount an ext3 partition, the mountpoint gets the permissions of the root of the ext3 filesystem |
| 06:24.11 | ShaneAu | Would anyone know why I seem to be getting: |
| 06:24.11 | ShaneAu | Removing libapache2-mod-php4 ... |
| 06:24.11 | ShaneAu | This module is already disabled, or does not exist! |
| 06:24.23 | ShaneAu | When I had only just apt-get install'ed it? |
| 06:24.34 | amorphix | has anyone here actually ever managed to setup a Wacom PenPartner graphics pad? |
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| 06:24.36 | jetscreamer | it's disabled? |
| 06:24.42 | ShaneAu | Is it? |
| 06:24.43 | jetscreamer | maybe try enabling it |
| 06:24.46 | ShaneAu | lol. |
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| 06:24.48 | bob2 | amorphix: man |
| 06:24.51 | jetscreamer | i'm guessing it's disabled by default |
| 06:24.54 | bob2 | amorphix: have you asked on the debian-x list yet? |
| 06:24.56 | jetscreamer | even if you install it |
| 06:24.59 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 06:24.59 | ShaneAu | And how am I ment to enable it? |
| 06:25.01 | liable | dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 06:25.07 | jetscreamer | in the usual manner |
| 06:25.09 | ShaneAu | apache2, right? |
| 06:25.15 | ShaneAu | Since i use apache2 liable |
| 06:25.19 | liable | yeah whatever |
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| 06:25.52 | ShaneAu | ok I did debian:/usr/bin# apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 06:26.05 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:26.10 | ShaneAu | Grrr :( php don't work |
| 06:26.20 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 06:26.29 | jetscreamer | better make a new one |
| 06:26.40 | iLLf8d | bob2: hrm dunno what you mean by that usually tossing user and rw in fstab helps doing away with defaults, I've also noticed autofs uses different perms ran into this with samba and not ro ntfs filesystem |
| 06:26.44 | amorphix | bob2: no |
| 06:27.03 | iLLf8d | s/not/now |
| 06:27.19 | bob2 | iLLf8d: what filesystem are you mounting? |
| 06:27.21 | bob2 | amorphix: I'd do that |
| 06:27.35 | iLLf8d | amorphix: yeah so long ago I couldn't tellya how tho |
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| 06:27.45 | giupy | hi all |
| 06:28.11 | jetscreamer | i seem to be noticing that even with ro in fstab for the ntfs mount line, if i chown /mnt -R it affects the ntfs disk, to where chkdsk has to fix it (not sure what chkdsk says it fixes) |
| 06:28.33 | bob2 | 16:25:16 tsume | hi there, I'm in need of assistance to find a decent monitoring tool like mrtg, what are the alternatives? |
| 06:28.35 | ShaneAu | Why do I get "This module is already disabled, or does not exist!" :( |
| 06:28.40 | bob2 | 16:25:30 tsume | I'm a bit busy, so I don't have the time to rtfm or google. |
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| 06:28.44 | iLLf8d | I'm trying to mount ntfs (one of my gfs old drives) to copy it to my fserve tho I'd like to access it from a users account at the same time (mounts fine as root) but the mountpath changes permissions and fstab gets blown off as you stated do I need to be explicit in my mount command about users? |
| 06:28.44 | bob2 | what an utter cock |
| 06:29.05 | bob2 | iLLf8d: you need to give it the umask=002 fstab option? |
| 06:29.17 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 06:29.18 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 06:29.28 | amorphix | iLLf8d: did it go easy for you? |
| 06:29.30 | iLLf8d | ah ok will read up on that |
| 06:29.39 | iLLf8d | amorphix: I don't recall any trouble at the time |
| 06:29.41 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 06:29.41 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 06:29.52 | iLLf8d | iirc I followed the tldp.org wacom howto |
| 06:30.00 | amorphix | ok thanks |
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| 06:30.30 | iLLf8d | amorphix: I could never get the pressure aspect going at the time tho |
| 06:30.39 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 06:30.47 | iLLf8d | amorphix: ie push harder brush gets bigger etc.. |
| 06:30.55 | simonrvn | wouldn't a pretty much all inhel asus board have onboard sound, and wouldn't it use one of the snd-intel modules? or am i assuming wrongly? |
| 06:31.08 | poonj | I added a printer using cups and I could print using certain programs. however, I can't see the printer under openoffice... |
| 06:31.22 | iLLf8d | amorphix: this was years back 4 or more probably |
| 06:31.25 | poonj | do I need to edit/configure a separate part of the system to print using openoffice? |
| 06:31.26 | simonrvn | try using lpd |
| 06:31.34 | poonj | lpd? |
| 06:31.39 | iLLf8d | amorphix: probably fixed by now |
| 06:31.41 | simonrvn | cupssys-client package IIRC |
| 06:31.49 | simonrvn | er, s/ss/s/ |
| 06:32.03 | amorphix | iLLf8d: it seems an even worse mess now |
| 06:32.12 | jetscreamer | i've seen manufs. chose a different route even though the chipset has support for a certain item, so no maybe not for definitely. |
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| 06:33.14 | poonj | simonrvn, lpd is running.. |
| 06:33.24 | poonj | simonrvn, but OO still can't see the printer |
| 06:33.30 | simonrvn | err, lpr, not lpd.. |
| 06:33.33 | simonrvn | or lp |
| 06:33.39 | jetscreamer | what board/chipset simonrvn |
| 06:34.01 | simonrvn | um, sec |
| 06:34.07 | poonj | okay |
| 06:34.14 | simonrvn | need to get the info off my other home dir.. |
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| 06:35.29 | MaTTFuRY | I'm having some troubles again -- in a windows box :-$ |
| 06:35.31 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.42 | MaTTFuRY | GTK warning: display |
| 06:35.58 | simonrvn | we don't care about your windows box |
| 06:36.01 | jetscreamer | hell i've had one of those.. p2fb sounds right |
| 06:36.10 | MaTTFuRY | i have 2 video cards, 1 built in: 1 pci radeon 9250 |
| 06:36.20 | mohadib | :$ |
| 06:36.21 | simonrvn | MaTTFuRY: we don't care about your windows box |
| 06:36.36 | Nigel | signs you are turning into a debian nut: you say sarge instead of sage... |
| 06:36.38 | mohadib | MaTTFuRY: :$ |
| 06:36.40 | MaTTFuRY | care about my Debian box then |
| 06:36.41 | simonrvn | and you're not going to make us care, either |
| 06:36.52 | simonrvn | Nigel: heh |
| 06:36.53 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, even then, we don't care that much.. |
| 06:37.01 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, Get to the point though.. |
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| 06:37.12 | MaTTFuRY | i've installed gnome |
| 06:37.19 | MaTTFuRY | it doesn't work, i dont know why |
| 06:37.20 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, Okay. More info. |
| 06:37.24 | simonrvn | good for you |
| 06:37.27 | MaTTFuRY | the first error.... |
| 06:37.29 | MobyTurbo | !it does not work |
| 06:37.31 | iLLf8d | amorphix: just check your logs and your xconsole for messages (not sure at which point your wacom install is messing up) |
| 06:37.42 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 06:37.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 06:37.46 | MaTTFuRY | spdf:: GTK warning: display |
| 06:37.56 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, And when do you get this error? |
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| 06:38.00 | MaTTFuRY | when i type in gnome-session |
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| 06:38.04 | amorphix | iLLf8d: me either, logs show nothing :-/ |
| 06:38.06 | MaTTFuRY | as root |
| 06:38.11 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: oh, so what alsa mod does it use anyway? |
| 06:38.19 | iLLf8d | amorphix: what about dmesg is it finding it at least? |
| 06:38.22 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, Do you have gdm installed as well? |
| 06:38.28 | simonrvn | you SHOULDN'T BE RUNNING X AS ROOT |
| 06:38.32 | MaTTFuRY | what is gdm? |
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| 06:39.05 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, MaTTFuRY, its a display manager.. apt-get install gdm |
| 06:39.07 | MaTTFuRY | spdf: whats the command to get it? |
| 06:39.14 | MaTTFuRY | ok ty: |
| 06:39.18 | MaTTFuRY | what else? |
| 06:39.22 | MobyTurbo | MaTTFuRY: try putting "exec gnome-session" in your .xsession, then type startx *as non-root* |
| 06:40.15 | MaTTFuRY | thanks i writing this out by hand :p |
| 06:40.23 | MaTTFuRY | i'm* |
| 06:40.32 | poonj | simonrvn, when I go lpr -Pnec file.txt |
| 06:40.34 | liable | MaTTFuRY: did you configure your x when you installed gnome |
| 06:40.38 | poonj | it says it can't find nec |
| 06:40.39 | barisa | how can I load a module at the very last moment? I mean after everything is loaded and started, maybe just before gdm starts |
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| 06:40.46 | poonj | the entry exists in /etc/cups/printers.conf |
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| 06:40.48 | amorphix | iLLf8d: doesnt seem to be, cant see any entry..only for mouse support and my actipad (using a Compaq laptop) |
| 06:40.48 | namnar | hello |
| 06:40.50 | MaTTFuRY | liable: i dont think so |
| 06:40.51 | poonj | do I need to add something somewhere else? |
| 06:40.52 | mohadib | MaTTFuRY: :$ |
| 06:41.11 | iLLf8d | amorphix: its either borked or shutdown and set your bios so it finds it |
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| 06:41.15 | MaTTFuRY | mohadib: wtf? |
| 06:41.15 | mohadib | MaTTFuRY: :$ |
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| 06:41.18 | liable | MaTTFuRY: you should have gotten a screen asking you about your mouse and screen etc |
| 06:41.22 | mohadib | :) |
| 06:41.24 | simonrvn | poonj: you surre that's the printer name? |
| 06:41.27 | amorphix | im screwed |
| 06:41.28 | simonrvn | sure* |
| 06:41.36 | iLLf8d | amorphix: dude its almost definately your bios |
| 06:41.39 | poonj | printers.conf |
| 06:41.42 | poonj | it says nec |
| 06:41.43 | amorphix | ok |
| 06:41.43 | simonrvn | mohadib: do you mind stopping that? |
| 06:41.51 | poonj | <defaultprinter nec> |
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| 06:42.02 | amorphix | what do i need to do in BIOS, just enable com port? |
| 06:42.07 | liable | MaTTFuRY: did you get that? |
| 06:42.27 | iLLf8d | amorphix: enable whatever its connected to dunno mine was serial not sure what model you have usb maybe? |
| 06:42.40 | MaTTFuRY | liable: at install i got it yeah |
| 06:42.44 | poonj | btw: this is a smb printer shared by another computer.. |
| 06:42.48 | liable | ok |
| 06:42.49 | amorphix | I've used a Palm IIIx on this same com port tho and it worked fine in Linux |
| 06:42.50 | poonj | not a printer connected to my parallel port |
| 06:43.14 | amorphix | iLLf8d: no I'm using a serial wacom pad on ttyS0 |
| 06:43.42 | simonrvn | poonj: you sure it's sending out data, like "browse me fucker!!!" or not just listening on localhost? |
| 06:43.49 | iLLf8d | amorphix: gonna query you if you don't mind so we don't flood the window with our talk |
| 06:43.59 | amorphix | ok |
| 06:44.00 | MaTTFuRY | liable: you wanna msg me all this? |
| 06:44.11 | morgoth_me | MaTTFuRY: try checking that you have these packages installed: xserver-xfree86, xfree86-common and gdm |
| 06:44.19 | morgoth_me | apt-cache policy packagename |
| 06:44.21 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite MaTTFuRY |
| 06:44.22 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon MaTTFuRY. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:44.49 | ShaneAu | how can I totally remove something (including any config files left behind) with apt-get? |
| 06:44.56 | barisa | how can I load a module at the later in the boot sequence? I mean after everything is loaded or started, maybe just before gdm starts |
| 06:44.58 | simonrvn | man apt-get |
| 06:45.02 | ShaneAu | Thanks |
| 06:45.03 | morgoth_me | ShaneAu: apt-get remove --purge packagename |
| 06:45.03 | ShaneAu | :p |
| 06:45.07 | spdf | ShaneAu, apt-get remove --purge <pachage> |
| 06:45.14 | ShaneAu | :D |
| 06:45.20 | MaTTFuRY | ? |
| 06:45.26 | jetscreamer | http://www.asus.com/products/mb/archives/mbp2b-f.zip <--dos exe inside |
| 06:45.31 | MobyTurbo | MaTTFuRY: the best way to make it installed is run "apt-get install x-window-system-core" that, a window manager, and an xterm, is all you need. |
| 06:45.46 | jetscreamer | i forget, i wanna say es1868 but it's been a while simonrvn |
| 06:46.02 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: np, i'll go digging. thanks |
| 06:46.05 | MaTTFuRY | so i should just install those? and xterm??? |
| 06:46.06 | liable | MaTTFuRY: apt-get install gnome x-window-ststem then just typr 'startx' as your user, then come back with the exact error if it doesnt work |
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| 06:46.37 | liable | s/ststem/system |
| 06:46.49 | MobyTurbo | MaTTFuRY: gnome should include a window manager and a term program |
| 06:47.12 | ShaneAu | And jst so I know, is apt-get install apache2 the correct way to install apache2? |
| 06:47.40 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: nope, it's an isa device |
| 06:47.47 | MaTTFuRY | liable: with space in gnome x-window-system? |
| 06:47.58 | morgoth_me | yes MaTTFuRY |
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| 06:48.04 | morgoth_me | they are 2 separate packages |
| 06:48.15 | m^rk | something keeps rewriting my resolv.conf with 192.168.8.1 which for some reason don't work in all apps (but does for ping). how can I make whatever is rewriting this file to stop? I'm installing debian and apt-is choking because of this |
| 06:48.20 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: says it's a 440bx so no onboard |
| 06:48.26 | spdf | ShaneAu, That'd do it... |
| 06:48.30 | ShaneAu | OK ;) |
| 06:48.35 | jetscreamer | yeah i probably had my es1868 isa card in it |
| 06:48.42 | MaTTFuRY | just tell me whats a term program? |
| 06:48.44 | spdf | ShaneAu, If you want php then don't forget libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 06:48.50 | MaTTFuRY | e.g. gnome? |
| 06:48.52 | morgoth_me | MaTTFuRY: it's a terminal |
| 06:48.57 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: oh i see. hmm, looks like i'll have to find that generic isa sb card then :| |
| 06:48.59 | ShaneAu | I'm doing that after, would that work? |
| 06:49.01 | ShaneAu | I'm doing that now |
| 06:49.05 | morgoth_me | xterm, eterm, konsole etc |
| 06:49.11 | ShaneAu | I just did apt-get install apache2 |
| 06:49.18 | spdf | ShaneAu, Okay.. |
| 06:49.22 | MobyTurbo | MaTTFuRY: gnome's meta package includes a terminal and a meta package |
| 06:49.25 | ShaneAu | Now apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql |
| 06:49.28 | ShaneAu | Sounds right? |
| 06:49.29 | jetscreamer | gnome-terminal |
| 06:49.34 | MobyTurbo | s/meta package/window manager/ |
| 06:49.35 | MaTTFuRY | should i worry? :P |
| 06:49.47 | morgoth_me | even if you don't have a GUI working MaTTFuRY you should be able to logon, and from the command line use apt-get |
| 06:49.53 | MobyTurbo | MaTTFuRY: "apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome" |
| 06:49.55 | spdf | ShaneAu, You'll also need the mysql package installed.. |
| 06:49.58 | MaTTFuRY | I'm feel so stinking n00b: argh got to get this smell of me! :P |
| 06:50.00 | liable | MaTTFuRY: just install gnome and x-window-system then come back |
| 06:50.02 | morgoth_me | providing networking is up and running of course |
| 06:50.09 | liable | system/core |
| 06:50.11 | jetscreamer | MaTTFuRY: usb or ps2 mouse |
| 06:50.15 | ShaneAu | Client? |
| 06:50.18 | MaTTFuRY | brb and usb mouse |
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| 06:50.26 | ShaneAu | Because I don't want to run a mysql server |
| 06:50.28 | MaTTFuRY | why? its an optical mouse.... |
| 06:50.36 | ShaneAu | I will use a mysql server at a remote location |
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| 06:50.44 | spdf | ShaneAu, Ahh, then you're good.. |
| 06:50.51 | MaTTFuRY | brb :P |
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| 06:50.52 | ShaneAu | ok, but I should do mysql-client too then right? |
| 06:50.53 | morgoth_me | anyone have any ideas on my original question a while back about smb4k (sid), samba (sid) and accessing shares on a win2k3 server? |
| 06:50.59 | jetscreamer | they have optical usb and ps2 mice... not important btw |
| 06:51.12 | darkness1 | Hi folks just a quick one how do i get opera for deb? apt-get opera doesn't work? |
| 06:51.21 | simonrvn | it won't |
| 06:51.30 | jetscreamer | darkness1: it's in non-free or the source is or something |
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| 06:51.39 | MobyTurbo | darkness1: go to www.opera.com and download the debs for Debian |
| 06:51.42 | simonrvn | no, opera site |
| 06:51.43 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 06:51.43 | spdf | ShaneAu, I don't think so |
| 06:51.48 | darkness1 | Just that |
| 06:51.48 | ShaneAu | ok. |
| 06:51.56 | ShaneAu | Here goes |
| 06:52.16 | ShaneAu | humm |
| 06:52.17 | ShaneAu | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 06:52.17 | ShaneAu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.17 | ShaneAu | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 06:52.17 | ShaneAu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:52.19 | darkness1 | Cheers, problem i'm having with mozzila is i can't get online to my bank that uses java() login. |
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| 06:52.27 | ShaneAu | oops |
| 06:52.29 | darkness1 | May be a patch but? |
| 06:53.07 | ShaneAu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.07 | ShaneAu | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 06:53.07 | ShaneAu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.07 | ShaneAu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:53.16 | ShaneAu | Ahrg |
| 06:53.18 | spdf | ShaneAu, I saw.. |
| 06:53.21 | ShaneAu | Oh |
| 06:53.22 | ShaneAu | :p |
| 06:53.24 | ShaneAu | Good, good |
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| 06:53.34 | spdf | ShaneAu, I don't know anything about the fork stuff, so I don't know if thats okay.. |
| 06:53.37 | ShaneAu | Ok. |
| 06:53.40 | MobyTurbo | darkness1: /msg dpkg java |
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| 06:54.15 | ShaneAu | Woo hoo, it worked. |
| 06:54.21 | ShaneAu | --purge did the trick ;) |
| 06:54.24 | ShaneAu | For removing first |
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| 06:59.09 | ShaneAu | yes!! :D It's all working. |
| 06:59.10 | ShaneAu | Finally. |
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| 06:59.16 | ShaneAu | Thanks for the help everyone. :) |
| 06:59.26 | spdf | ShaneAu, No problem.. |
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| 07:00.13 | sobersabre | why would ls get stuck on an exported by NFS dir ? |
| 07:00.25 | sobersabre | it is users homes dir. |
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| 07:05.07 | sobersabre | anybody has any idea ? |
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| 07:07.41 | nn | hmm |
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| 07:09.21 | nano | does anyone know how to copy a directory from windows to server by using psftp? |
| 07:10.32 | nn | you could always use tar on it on the windows box |
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| 07:10.52 | ideal_ | Hi. Does fluxbox support Unicode? |
| 07:10.56 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.29 | barisa | does anyone know what I need to connect vpn using ipsec and digital certificates? |
| 07:12.36 | bob2 | ipsec uses certs now? |
| 07:13.14 | barisa | I am not sure actually |
| 07:13.25 | nano | you mean tar the folder then transfer it? |
| 07:18.09 | amorphix | damn what happened to illf8d |
| 07:18.31 | amorphix | he was going to plug in his wacom pad, but must of fell asleep |
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| 07:19.13 | bucky | nano: are you on the server? |
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| 07:20.29 | nano | bucky: yes |
| 07:20.53 | bucky | i've used putty and it has scp.. try thin |
| 07:21.05 | bucky | scp -r nano@windows_machine:C:\directory_name . |
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| 07:21.14 | bucky | don't forget the dot at the end |
| 07:21.27 | sobersabre | why would i see this: |
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| 07:21.42 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 07:22.03 | sobersabre | many nfsd's are up, and they don't respond to kill -9 .... |
| 07:22.08 | bucky | sobersabre, because you typed uptime at the command line? |
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| 07:23.04 | sobersabre | no shite, bucky, doesn't load avg of 125 seem strange to you ? |
| 07:23.23 | bob2 | sobersabre: using the kernel nfs server? |
| 07:23.30 | sobersabre | bob2, yep |
| 07:23.34 | bob2 | sobersabre: high load average doesn't neccessarily mean the cpu is doing much |
| 07:23.40 | paulproteus | I just slapped a new AMD64 CPU into my Sarge server. It still is set to the i386 architecture. Is there a way to use apt-get to gracefully switch architectures? I'd love to keep the data in my debconf and /etc somehow. |
| 07:23.42 | sobersabre | bob2, it doesn't |
| 07:23.50 | bob2 | sobersabre: right, so nfsd fucked up and they're all doing nothing, but think they need to do stuff |
| 07:23.51 | sobersabre | but this is not the problem |
| 07:23.57 | bob2 | which will make your load average high unti lyou reboot |
| 07:24.18 | sobersabre | bob2, is there a way of killing kernel nfsds ? |
| 07:24.23 | sobersabre | without rebooting ? |
| 07:24.27 | bob2 | rebooting is the only way I know |
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| 07:24.42 | sobersabre | FUK. |
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| 07:25.36 | bob2 | well |
| 07:25.39 | bob2 | you can just leave them |
| 07:25.40 | paulproteus | sobersabre: It's okay. Two wrongs make a right. :) |
| 07:25.43 | bob2 | they're not doing anything, usually |
| 07:25.49 | bob2 | so they're not actually using any cpu |
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| 07:26.06 | Tabitha | hi all--seeking a bit of advice... I've just purchased a new server that has debian woody installed on it and I'm about to set it up for web/e-mail/dns/mysql... would it be wise or unwise (in your opinion) to upgrade to sarge *now* before doing that install or to stick with woody for a period of time or until sarge becomes stable officially? |
| 07:26.13 | sobersabre | bob2, but there is a problem to list exported directory . |
| 07:26.21 | sobersabre | it gets stuck ls /users |
| 07:26.29 | bob2 | ah |
| 07:26.49 | bob2 | Tabitha: the upgrade is way more likely to be painless before you install/configure anything |
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| 07:27.19 | Tabitha | bob2: that's what I was thinking, considering some major package revision changes. |
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| 07:28.29 | bob2 | yeah |
| 07:28.40 | bob2 | on the other hand, even later it probably won't be much trouble |
| 07:28.43 | Tabitha | just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy for thinking of using an officially not stable release before it was declared stable |
| 07:28.53 | sobersabre | bob2, what can casue this nfs suckage ? |
| 07:28.54 | bob2 | using sarge is fine |
| 07:29.08 | bob2 | sobersabre: I'd guess just a bug in the kernel nfs server |
| 07:29.14 | Tabitha | another factor is that I'll have to backport php and mysql if I use woody, so... it'd be nice to no longer have to do that ;) |
| 07:29.15 | sobersabre | hm... |
| 07:29.17 | bob2 | sobersabre: or maybe a client died and it got confused |
| 07:29.21 | bob2 | Tabitha: yeah, exactly |
| 07:29.58 | Tabitha | thank you bob2, you've convinced me and have given me a scapegoat to defame should this fail miserably and cause a massive system failure. kiss kiss. :P |
| 07:30.00 | Palantir | Hi :) What's the best way to get a minimal installation of debian with pppoe? If I download the first cd is that enough? It seems to me from the various manuals that it is not possible to install it directly thru ADSL with net install, am I correct? |
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| 07:30.09 | bob2 | Tabitha: haha |
| 07:30.18 | bob2 | Palantir: the first cd should be plenty |
| 07:30.22 | Fare | hum. If I have a good internet pipe, what's the fastest way to install debian? |
| 07:30.31 | bob2 | Palantir: I don't believe you can use pppoe in the initial install, no |
| 07:30.43 | bob2 | Fare: get a netinst cd from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:30.45 | paulproteus | Fare: Burn the business card CD image, use a good mirror, and install. |
| 07:31.02 | Palantir | bob2: ok, thanks :) I'll be trying :D |
| 07:31.07 | sobersabre | Fare ... tftp, image, but preparing it takes more time than to install 2-3 machines... |
| 07:31.30 | bob2 | yeah |
| 07:31.44 | sobersabre | Fare, are you installing 1 machine or a cluster ? |
| 07:31.44 | bob2 | but then you can sit back and just reinstall over and over and marvel at how cool pxe is ;p |
| 07:31.45 | Fare | sobersabre: only one machine to install, here |
| 07:31.58 | sobersabre | then use netinst... as advised :) |
| 07:32.28 | usn | hi all |
| 07:32.30 | Fare | release-candidate 3? |
| 07:32.43 | bob2 | yes |
| 07:32.48 | sobersabre | bob2, you can also marvell how slow IDE disks are on a gigabit network... |
| 07:33.07 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:34.46 | sobersabre | guys... how well works SD card driver ? |
| 07:35.04 | Fare | sobersabre: use IDE racks and copy direct disk-to-disk |
| 07:35.12 | bob2 | sobersabre: depends on the chipset |
| 07:35.26 | Fare | sobersabre: your gigabit network is slower than snails with proper wheels |
| 07:35.49 | sobersabre | :) |
| 07:36.21 | Fare | will anyone take up my SNAIL challenge? |
| 07:36.30 | Fare | Slow Networking with Atrocious Interchange Latency |
| 07:36.38 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 07:37.53 | hcy | hi, is it possible to mount an iso image as a writeable disk, and to add files to it? |
| 07:38.08 | Fare | hcy: yes and no |
| 07:38.18 | RUXSPINZ | ^what he said |
| 07:38.19 | hcy | Fare: meaning? |
| 07:38.40 | bob2 | meaning "no" |
| 07:38.51 | hcy | bob2: so what was the "yes" part, then? |
| 07:39.00 | bob2 | I don't know |
| 07:39.01 | Fare | there are inherited filesystems |
| 07:39.03 | Fare | and suches |
| 07:39.06 | bob2 | under linux it's not possible |
| 07:39.12 | Fare | yes it is |
| 07:39.15 | bob2 | unionfs isn't in the mainlinu linux kernel, tho |
| 07:39.22 | Fare | take linux 0.99.13, it has IFS |
| 07:39.32 | amorphix | i have a hardware question: I'm running a Compaq Armada laptop which has a dual keyboard and mouse PS/2 port (shared), would that be likely to cause problems in Linux for differienating between a keyboard and a pointing device? |
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| 07:39.43 | bob2 | hcy: if you want to modify it, copy the files elsewhere, recreayte the image with mkisofs |
| 07:39.51 | Fare | you can also do that with userfs from linux 1.0.4 |
| 07:39.54 | hcy | bob2: ok |
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| 07:40.27 | tweek888 | hi, i was just wondering what Xwindows packedge name is? |
| 07:40.44 | Phated | x-window-system |
| 07:40.48 | tweek888 | thanks :D |
| 07:40.54 | amorphix | does anyone know if the Wacom serial graphics tablets only get their power from the PS/2 / keyboard port, and the actual comms is done thru serial? |
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| 08:03.04 | cafuego | simonrvn: Awake? |
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| 08:04.17 | sobersabre | amorphix, i don't understand. does the tablet have both ps/2 and rs232 ports ? |
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| 08:04.54 | Fare | hum. Does anyone understand cdrecord with kernel 2.6 ? |
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| 08:06.20 | bob2 | lots of people do |
| 08:06.24 | bob2 | cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc |
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| 08:08.35 | Fare | when I run xcdroast, Xlib says "No protocol specified" and dies |
| 08:08.54 | bob2 | how is that related to cdrecord? |
| 08:08.59 | grumpydog | Fare just use k3b |
| 08:08.59 | bob2 | you're running xcdroast wrong |
| 08:09.03 | bob2 | "sudo xcdroast" |
| 08:09.19 | Fare | I'm already root here |
| 08:09.34 | Fare | it's not related ... failing cdrecrod, I tried xcdroast |
| 08:09.45 | bob2 | so |
| 08:09.53 | bob2 | switch back to your normal user |
| 08:09.58 | bob2 | then run "sudo xcdroast" |
| 08:10.02 | bob2 | using su in X will not work |
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| 08:11.01 | Guerin | unless you import authority, etc. |
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| 08:11.13 | Guerin | which isn't worth it in almost all cases |
| 08:12.09 | bob2 | or use "su -m". |
| 08:13.01 | Fare | thanks |
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| 08:14.07 | Fare | btw will ubuntu and main debian become binary-compatible again, or never? |
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| 08:14.54 | trilly | hi |
| 08:15.23 | valdyn | Fare: how are they not? |
| 08:15.35 | trilly | could somebody here help me compiling the "fcpci" module for my debian 2.4.27-1-k7 box? im having big problems... |
| 08:16.01 | Fare | valdyn: I was told that mixing packages from the two was causing horrible failures in the past |
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| 08:16.27 | bob2 | no |
| 08:16.28 | valdyn | Fare: that is not directly related to binary incompatibility |
| 08:16.31 | bob2 | only when idiots do it |
| 08:16.39 | bob2 | no two distros are binary compatible like that |
| 08:16.47 | bob2 | sid and sarge aren't, evem |
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| 08:17.11 | Guerin | compatibility is coincidental |
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| 08:17.33 | Guerin | the difference here is between what some people have gotten away with, and what anyone can rely on |
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| 08:18.03 | valdyn | Fare: binary incompatibility will arise when ubunta / debian use incompatible compilers. and only c++ compiled will be affected.. |
| 08:18.16 | Guerin | no |
| 08:18.28 | bob2 | h, no |
| 08:18.32 | Guerin | binary incompatibility will arise when the libs in ubuntu differ from the libs in debian |
| 08:18.33 | bob2 | it depends what fare means |
| 08:18.39 | Guerin | which they already do, in some cases |
| 08:19.22 | lexxan | Guerin.. wrong. |
| 08:19.25 | Guerin | it all depends on the package: some packages might HAPPEN to be compatible, now, on account of the current libs they were built against being similar enough. but it's only a matter of time. |
| 08:19.29 | Guerin | lexxan: how? |
| 08:19.37 | lexxan | Guerin, You're just wrong. |
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| 08:19.44 | Guerin | lexxan: please enlighten me. |
| 08:20.15 | lexxan | Ok.. I'm smarter than you.. so don't doubt me |
| 08:20.27 | valdyn | ubuntu cant just break binary compatibility with debian like that since it would break with itself, i suppose |
| 08:20.30 | bob2 | lexxan: please? |
| 08:20.34 | Guerin | lexxan: you have failed to demonstrate this on a number of occasions in this very channel. Just explain. |
| 08:21.44 | simonrvn | fartfish |
| 08:21.53 | Guerin | *crickets* |
| 08:22.17 | Fare | Ok: are you half as smart as maddox? |
| 08:22.21 | Guerin | haha |
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| 08:22.53 | bob2 | and do you have the best web page in the universe? |
| 08:23.17 | Guerin | TBF, his "11 worst songs of 2004" was right on the money... |
| 08:23.32 | lexxan | No.. I'm just smarter than all of you |
| 08:23.37 | Fare | maddox has the best web page in the universe, but he ain't got no rss feed |
| 08:23.50 | lexxan | combined |
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| 08:23.57 | bob2 | but he only updates it once a month |
| 08:24.03 | Guerin | Fare: who needs RSS when you have TEH BEST P4GE in TEH UNIVER5E!1 |
| 08:24.09 | Guerin | if you're lucky |
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| 08:24.59 | Guerin | lexxan: thanks for playing. You have failed to make the hiscore chart :-( - PLAY AGAIN? [Yn] |
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| 08:25.11 | trilly | ehm, did somebody here compile the fcpci module (fritzcard) succesfully under debian and could help me out? |
| 08:25.12 | MaTTFuRY | still having problems ffs........... |
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| 08:25.38 | Guerin | trilly: will it patchcleanly to a kernel.org source? |
| 08:25.41 | Bebabo | i'm setting up several servers atm. (sarge) and asking myself which apache i should install 1.3 or 2 |
| 08:25.47 | MaTTFuRY | "Fatal server error: no screens " when i go to startx |
| 08:25.51 | Guerin | Bebabo: which one do you know already? |
| 08:25.58 | lexxan | Guerin, Don't make me come through the internet and stab your eyes out |
| 08:25.58 | Bebabo | 1.3 |
| 08:25.59 | Guerin | MaTTFuRY: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 08:26.13 | MaTTFuRY | i have 2 vid cards... |
| 08:26.26 | Guerin | lexxan: please do. I've been waiting for someone to successfully demonstrate Stabbage-overTCP/IP for a while |
| 08:26.37 | Bebabo | but then until now i didn't need yet to set up ssl, and my impression is that 2 is more flexible with ssl |
| 08:26.42 | Bebabo | (mod_ssl) |
| 08:26.51 | valdyn | !noscreensfound |
| 08:26.51 | dpkg | noscreensfound is probably probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 08:26.55 | lexxan | Guerin, ASL???? |
| 08:27.00 | bob2 | Bebabo: don't think it's more flexible, but it at least includes it |
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| 08:27.14 | bob2 | Bebabo: apache2 is where all the development is nowadays, tho |
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| 08:27.29 | trilly | problem is, there are several guides online on how to compile it (its made for suse so you have to change some things in makefile, etc.) but i seem to have problems with my include files (/usr/include/asm/string.h:41: error: Fehler beim Parsen before "size_t") (parsing error) |
| 08:27.32 | Guerin | Bebabo: ssl under 1.3 is not wildly hard. If I were setting a new apache box up I'd use 2, but i'm running 1.3 and am loath to break things. |
| 08:27.40 | MaTTFuRY | Ohh btw, it's a RADEON 9250 :( |
| 08:27.50 | MaTTFuRY | crappy linux support bitchs!! |
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| 08:28.02 | Guerin | lexxan: old enough/yes, but not with you/here |
| 08:28.06 | valdyn | trilly: LC_ALL=C, run your command again, paste an english error message |
| 08:28.18 | Bebabo | yes my impression is that it's like exim & exim4, that is with exim it's clearer that one has to get 4 |
| 08:28.21 | trilly | yes, thanks ill try |
| 08:28.22 | omerANT | how you got a debian boot floppy diskette? |
| 08:28.32 | lexxan | bob2, ASL? |
| 08:28.35 | omerANT | sorry. have you got a debian boot floppy diskette? |
| 08:28.35 | Guerin | parsing error before "size_t" |
| 08:28.44 | bob2 | MaTTFuRY: er, it should work fine, with x.org at least |
| 08:28.46 | Guerin | that's what his error says |
| 08:28.56 | bob2 | lexxan: now is quiet-time for a while |
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| 08:28.58 | bob2 | come back tommorow |
| 08:29.02 | liable | omerANT: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc3/images/floppy/ |
| 08:29.06 | af_ | there is anyway to set the timeout of the dns resolver to a certain value? |
| 08:29.18 | MaTTFuRY | bob2: it's xfree86 ffs :P |
| 08:29.20 | lexxan | but I want to be like you and Guerin... |
| 08:29.23 | Guerin | af_: a dns client? Not sure. |
| 08:29.23 | lexxan | help me be cool |
| 08:29.27 | omerANT | thank you liable |
| 08:29.39 | liable | np |
| 08:29.45 | Guerin | lexxan: impossible. We are older than puberty. Just wait, it'll come. |
| 08:29.52 | omerANT | liable: it is 1.4 mb |
| 08:29.59 | lexxan | but I'm 22 |
| 08:30.01 | davi | liable, Report: Compiling WMware network modules just with the kernel-headers package works. Thank you. |
| 08:30.05 | trilly | hmm, nope just the same parsing error on some /usr/include/linux/uio.h, fs.h, stat.h, ..... ? |
| 08:30.07 | Guerin | sure you are, buddy |
| 08:30.07 | lexxan | I think I finished awhile ago |
| 08:30.07 | MaTTFuRY | heh floppies are 1.38 mb |
| 08:30.11 | omerANT | should i write it to floppy or cd |
| 08:30.21 | valdyn | trilly: there likely is an error before that |
| 08:30.29 | liable | davi: hah, good stuff, good memory too :) |
| 08:30.31 | lexxan | Ok.. I'm 23 in july.. so 22 3/4 |
| 08:30.31 | Fare | floppies are obsolete |
| 08:30.41 | lexxan | I had to use floppies on this laptop |
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| 08:30.47 | lexxan | the cdrom is toast |
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| 08:30.50 | Guerin | lexxan: i worked as a bouncer and a barman for years. You have no idea how many people have told me they're 20something |
| 08:30.54 | davi | liable, yes :) |
| 08:30.55 | Fare | real floppies at 140kiB per face. |
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| 08:31.19 | lexxan | bob2, Go beat off to c code or something =[ |
| 08:31.28 | Guerin | famous last words |
| 08:31.33 | liable | heh |
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| 08:32.03 | Fare | if you format them with Apple DOS 3.3 6.2 encoding, that is. 34 tracks of 16 sectors... 35 tracks of 18 sectors if you cram as much as you can. (Oh, and sectors are 256 bytes) |
| 08:32.03 | liable | silly boy |
| 08:32.07 | Guerin | !flw12 |
| 08:32.08 | dpkg | flw12 is, like, <digitaltemper> caphuso why what you going to do haxor me heh |
| 08:32.23 | MaTTFuRY | hehehe |
| 08:32.37 | Fare | making or cracking Apple ][ disk copy protection was so much fun! |
| 08:32.52 | af_ | I mean the timeout of the dns resolver for the full debian system, not for a certain clinet |
| 08:33.03 | omerANT | liable: dwill i only copy boot.img to the floppy diskette as one file? |
| 08:33.09 | trilly | http://trilly.dyndns.org/pub/error |
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| 08:33.59 | liable | omerANT: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
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| 08:34.18 | omerANT | thanls |
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| 08:34.21 | liable | omerANT: check that out, then come back if you got probs |
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| 08:34.41 | bob2 | wow, lexxan is a pathetic little child |
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| 08:35.09 | liable | hah, he go too ubuntu after, idiot |
| 08:35.10 | trilly2 | hmm, i seem to have been disconnectet |
| 08:35.26 | liable | err, no |
| 08:35.27 | trilly2 | what do you say to the error file i posted? |
| 08:35.35 | MaTTFuRY | does anyone know of any drivers for the radeon 9250 or sis 650 gl ? |
| 08:35.53 | bob2 | MaTTFuRY: er, X supports radeon at least perfectly well |
| 08:35.56 | MaTTFuRY | **hopes for sis 650 gl at least ** |
| 08:36.04 | streuner_ | !ati |
| 08:36.04 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 08:36.09 | valdyn | trilly: is your kernel source tree configured? |
| 08:36.26 | liable | MaTTFuRY: pull one card out, and reconfigure x again |
| 08:36.33 | bob2 | no, 9250 works with the Free X drivers |
| 08:36.34 | MaTTFuRY | fuck no :P |
| 08:36.36 | trilly2 | ? i did make menuconfig in it once, yes, but i didnt compile a kernel from it |
| 08:36.36 | bob2 | no binary crap required |
| 08:36.38 | streuner_ | Matt_O: for the SiS part /msg dpkg sis |
| 08:36.58 | MaTTFuRY | btw: SiS 650 gl = onboard |
| 08:37.06 | MaTTFuRY | :$ |
| 08:37.12 | valdyn | trilly: and why is this kernel module trying to compile against /usr/include stuff? |
| 08:37.17 | liable | disable it in bios |
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| 08:37.20 | streuner_ | Matt_O: clever, what do you think iam running here? |
| 08:37.40 | streuner_ | onboard SiS crap |
| 08:37.41 | bob2 | MaTTFuRY: www.x.org and www.xfree86.org, they tell you what cards they support |
| 08:37.50 | trilly2 | how can i change that? |
| 08:38.04 | giupy | ? |
| 08:38.05 | MaTTFuRY | which is better x.org or xfree86? |
| 08:38.08 | valdyn | trilly: if thats not due to a change you made that is horribly braindead by whoever made this ( fritz? ) |
| 08:38.11 | giupy | M650 ? |
| 08:38.23 | Guerin | bob2: had to ban him from #ubuntu as well? |
| 08:38.28 | streuner_ | Matt_O: /topic |
| 08:38.36 | liable | MaTTFuRY: xorg, isnt easily gottable yet for debian |
| 08:38.46 | giupy | MaTTFuRY, M650 ? |
| 08:38.46 | MaTTFuRY | gottable? :P |
| 08:38.47 | trilly2 | avm, but as is said its made for suse, so ill have a look at the makefiles and all, and see if i can change it |
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| 08:38.48 | Guerin | MaTTFuRY: depends. |
| 08:38.53 | streuner_ | Matt_O: it goes into debian after sarge is stable... |
| 08:38.56 | liable | streuner_: your tab completion sucks today :) |
| 08:38.56 | bob2 | 18:33:39 ---| ---> lexxan [~lexxan@207.148.174.125] has joined #ubuntu |
| 08:38.59 | bob2 | 18:33:45 lexxan | Hey bob2.. go fuck yourself. |
| 08:39.03 | MaTTFuRY | giupy: 650 GL |
| 08:39.03 | Guerin | haha |
| 08:39.09 | streuner_ | haha |
| 08:39.13 | valdyn | trilly: why not use the driver included in 2.6.x ? ( or maybe in 2.4.x too ) |
| 08:39.14 | giupy | mmm |
| 08:39.16 | MaTTFuRY | well im a bit of a gamer... |
| 08:39.35 | MaTTFuRY | (wolfenstein et, q3, call of duty etc.,) |
| 08:39.56 | deadcat | bob2: you use gnome under ubuntu or something else? |
| 08:40.30 | bob2 | deadcat: yes |
| 08:40.35 | revdiablo | I have installed xorg out of the ubuntu repos onto sid a few times |
| 08:40.42 | trilly2 | it says -I /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-k7/include btw, in the first line |
| 08:40.45 | streuner_ | deadcat: what do you think he would answer... |
| 08:40.52 | Guerin | revdiablo: please to be not encouraging others to do same. |
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| 08:40.58 | revdiablo | Guerin: :) |
| 08:41.04 | bob2 | streuner_: and blackbox on debian on my indy |
| 08:41.08 | revdiablo | Guerin: is it a Bad Idea TM? |
| 08:41.15 | valdyn | trilly2: and later its spitting out /usr/include .. that is just braindead to include |
| 08:41.17 | deadcat | streuner_: i thought he might be using a window manager and remove gnome stuff |
| 08:41.18 | revdiablo | Guerin: it seems to work fairly well |
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| 08:41.27 | streuner_ | bob2: sadly, so ubuntu hasn't that arch? |
| 08:41.29 | Guerin | revdiablo: it is if you're not intimately familiar with apt and dpkg. |
| 08:41.34 | valdyn | trilly2: ask fritz i guess, they made this mess? |
| 08:41.43 | revdiablo | Guerin: ah, yeah, I did have to wrangle it a bit |
| 08:42.02 | bob2 | deadcat: I did use sawfish for a long time, but I realised I didn't realy care that much...12 workspaces, each is a full screen xterm, emacs or firefox window, hotkeys to switch quickly |
| 08:42.03 | Guerin | revdiablo: oh, it's possible, and once installed it works fine. But installing and uninstalling it, and upgrading with it in place are tricky. |
| 08:42.10 | MaTTFuRY | fuck it my next box will have nVidia CARD next if they dont support it... |
| 08:42.16 | bob2 | deadcat: don't really use gnome apps, but I quite like the panel |
| 08:42.17 | deadcat | bob2: does your version of ubuntu have some kind of splash for console? |
| 08:42.23 | trilly2 | ahh, i got it! |
| 08:42.26 | Guerin | bob2: man screen? |
| 08:42.28 | bob2 | MaTTFuRY: how on earth is nvidia better supported than ati? |
| 08:42.28 | trilly2 | compiled it finally |
| 08:42.32 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, ati's work fine |
| 08:42.33 | streuner_ | MaTTFuRY: go to winschlhofer's site |
| 08:42.39 | bob2 | Guerin: screen is inside the xterms |
| 08:42.41 | streuner_ | for SiS |
| 08:42.41 | bob2 | deadcat: no |
| 08:42.42 | deadcat | bob2: hehe. got screneshots? |
| 08:42.49 | streuner_ | !sis |
| 08:42.49 | dpkg | hmm... sis is http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml, or shit, or http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| 08:42.56 | Guerin | bob2: so you have 12*xterm*screen? |
| 08:43.01 | bob2 | Guerin: yes |
| 08:43.03 | Guerin | yikes |
| 08:43.07 | deadcat | bob2: dont screen? (= |
| 08:43.09 | streuner_ | MaTTFuRY: or you just use VESA |
| 08:43.27 | MaTTFuRY | shit i know what i did wrong |
| 08:43.35 | trilly2 | ah, ok here goes the next problem: fcpci.o was compiled for kernel version 2.4.27 while this kernel is version 2.4.27-1-k7. <- how can i get the 2.4.27-1-k7 sources? |
| 08:43.37 | deadcat | i have 7 inside screen |
| 08:43.38 | liable | well fix it then |
| 08:43.48 | Guerin | i have one terminal with 10 shells in screen |
| 08:43.48 | MaTTFuRY | it had "ati, others" pre-selected VESA |
| 08:43.55 | MaTTFuRY | i selected ATI |
| 08:44.03 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, What kind of card do you have? |
| 08:44.06 | MaTTFuRY | ohh how do i change it ?? |
| 08:44.10 | valdyn | trilly: you dont need or want those, just "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 08:44.21 | Guerin | i've considered shearing it off into three terminals; one per host I'm regularly logged in to, but i never did get around to that |
| 08:44.24 | MaTTFuRY | spdf: radeon 9250 128mb pci + sis 650 gl |
| 08:44.26 | liable | !tell MaTTFuRY about drxx |
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| 08:44.48 | MaTTFuRY | thanks liable |
| 08:44.53 | trilly2 | but to compile it i changed the include files from /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-k7/include to /usr/src/linux/include |
| 08:45.03 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, edit your /etc/X11/XF86(etc...) config file, and change the drive entry from 'ati' to 'radeon' |
| 08:45.05 | MaTTFuRY | the more important part is my linux ATI drivers working ... |
| 08:45.23 | MaTTFuRY | this happened in FC3 aswell... :( |
| 08:45.29 | Guerin | trilly2: apt-get module-assistant ; i think this could help you here. |
| 08:45.34 | deadcat | bob2: want to see my fbsplash on ibook? video |
| 08:45.48 | bob2 | deadcat: heh, ok |
| 08:45.50 | spdf | deadcat, is it hot? |
| 08:46.12 | deadcat | bob2: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/video/demo/fbsplash.on.ibook.avi |
| 08:46.13 | streuner_ | deadcat's screenshots are always hot ;-) |
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| 08:46.25 | jetking | hi, i am facing some problem in the display driver of the thin client, my motherboard is VT8601A |
| 08:46.26 | deadcat | spdf: let bob2 finish download first. my up is only 40k |
| 08:46.35 | deadcat | streuner_: (= |
| 08:46.35 | liable | trilly2: you have the source installed? |
| 08:46.37 | jetking | the monitor flickers while starting xserver |
| 08:46.46 | Guerin | jetking: does it start? |
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| 08:46.54 | spdf | deadcat, ... canceled |
| 08:46.57 | Guerin | jetking: and stay stable once started? |
| 08:47.00 | trilly2 | ah, ok heres the problem: i deleted the kernel-headers 2.4.27-1 because i only needed the -k7 one, but k7 only links to the other one *duh* |
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| 08:47.25 | deadcat | spdf: cool. thanks (= |
| 08:47.31 | liable | trilly2: just make the headers |
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| 08:47.48 | valdyn | trilly2: apt-get --reinstall install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 08:48.09 | Guerin | !karma pixies |
| 08:48.09 | dpkg | pixies has neutral karma |
| 08:48.11 | MaTTFuRY | if i installed the latest gnome / x should i get xfree86 -4,5? |
| 08:48.12 | rudenstam | hi, I'm on adsl. as it is now, my download seems to have priority over my upload but I want to have full upload speed instead.. is there anything I can install/config or something ? |
| 08:48.16 | Guerin | a damn shame, that |
| 08:48.19 | Guerin | !pixies++ |
| 08:48.24 | veleno | i need a cvs repository somewhere free. any suggestion? |
| 08:48.38 | valdyn | rudenstam: apt-cache search wondershaper |
| 08:48.38 | WiFiTux | veleno, what for? |
| 08:48.41 | Guerin | veleno: 127.0.0.1? |
| 08:49.08 | liable | MaTTFuRY: dpkg -L xfree86 |
| 08:49.13 | trilly2 | uh, the 2.4.27-1 kernel headers are already missing on the servers! damn |
| 08:49.18 | rudenstam | valdyn: k.. will check it out |
| 08:49.18 | veleno | Guerin: i need to share it with an another developer, for a project we're doing. |
| 08:49.30 | Guerin | MaTTFuRY: no, you'll get 4.3.0.dfsg.1-13 |
| 08:49.31 | MaTTFuRY | will apt install the latest liable? |
| 08:49.42 | WiFiTux | veleno, what type of project? |
| 08:49.44 | liable | MaTTFuRY: yes |
| 08:49.46 | Guerin | MaTTFuRY: the latest in your branch of debian, yes. |
| 08:49.50 | liable | for sarge |
| 08:50.12 | Guerin | trilly2: get a -2- kernel and headers for same |
| 08:50.27 | Guerin | trilly2: there's no good reason to be using a -1- kernel on sarge now. |
| 08:50.33 | liable | trilly2: make em if you have the source, not hard. |
| 08:50.40 | veleno | WiFiTux: a python implementation of parallel geometric algorithms, like quickhull, and stuff like that. since now we've been editing locally sources and sending them via email.. |
| 08:50.43 | spdf | deadcat, mmm. gallery pr0n. soooo missleading.. |
| 08:50.55 | amorphix | w000t my graphics pad is working |
| 08:51.05 | deadcat | spdf: well maybe if you use linux, it will be diff (=. |
| 08:51.20 | deadcat | spdf: or change your browser agent. |
| 08:51.20 | Guerin | veleno: if it's free software you can probabl;y get hosting on sourceforge or savannah or something |
| 08:51.31 | Guerin | amorphix: finally! |
| 08:51.34 | liable | amorphix: ++ |
| 08:51.39 | omerANT | liable : i read |
| 08:51.41 | spdf | deadcat, Can't do much of that until I get home. I barely get away with ssh at work :) |
| 08:51.57 | deadcat | spdf: ah. |
| 08:51.59 | amorphix | :D |
| 08:52.14 | omerANT | liable : my diskettes ara 1.38mb. if i write this img file to cd, it is possible to boot? |
| 08:52.23 | MaTTFuRY | ok i have my sis 650 gl resolved *i hope* |
| 08:52.32 | MaTTFuRY | what about the radeon 9250? |
| 08:52.55 | deadcat | spdf: ok. you can download the video now |
| 08:53.13 | liable | omerANT: I actually know fuck all about floppies, sorry, someone else here would though. |
| 08:53.20 | WiFiTux | veleno, hhmm how much space is needed? |
| 08:53.23 | spdf | deadcat, Though, I do see stuffies doin' it. |
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| 08:53.44 | MaTTFuRY | argh in rpm format, will i be able to install that? |
| 08:53.52 | streuner_ | no |
| 08:53.59 | trilly2 | ok, rebooting the server now with -2 kernel, hope this works, because i dont weant to connect a monitor to it... |
| 08:54.01 | streuner_ | !ati |
| 08:54.01 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 08:55.38 | veleno | WiFiTux: not that much...i can estimate 10Mb would be more than enough. maybe 20MB to freely do a nice webpage for the project but nothing more |
| 08:55.55 | deadcat | trilly2: modem? |
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| 08:56.14 | trilly2 | modem? |
| 08:56.27 | streuner_ | deadcat: what's 'fbsplash' anyway? |
| 08:56.34 | spdf | deadcat, Very nice |
| 08:56.42 | deadcat | streuner_: bootsplash thing |
| 08:56.51 | streuner_ | is it in debian? |
| 08:56.58 | deadcat | spdf: thanks. it aint bad i just have to give up maconlinux (= |
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| 08:57.42 | deadcat | streuner_: you can patch it. bootsplash for x86 is much easier to get it to work since there are .debs at bootsplash.de, bootsplash doesnt work on ppc so i have to use fbsplash. |
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| 08:57.45 | spdf | deadcat, Nice desk setup you've got too |
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| 08:58.05 | deadcat | spdf: ya (=. but nvidia on dual mon is buggy for me |
| 08:58.29 | deadcat | streuner_: i cant wait for splashy, no kernel shits required. |
| 08:59.19 | rudenstam | valdyn: uhm.. sais If you compiled your own kernel, you may |
| 08:59.20 | rudenstam | need to include various optional modules and drivers. |
| 08:59.21 | Guerin | veleno: there are plenty of free shell hosts which you can run a cvs on. |
| 08:59.28 | rudenstam | valdyn: but not what modules.. |
| 08:59.45 | Guerin | deadcat: userspace splash? |
| 09:00.09 | WiFiTux | veleno, I can give you that in a 80% of the time up server. |
| 09:00.20 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. splashy. in experimental. |
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| 09:00.47 | Guerin | hrm. |
| 09:01.12 | deadcat | Guerin: theres usplash, debsplash, and splashy, simonrvn told me splashy the other day. |
| 09:01.22 | WiFiTux | veleno, or in a ultra awesome server 120% uptime but is on RH |
| 09:01.27 | Guerin | does it work? |
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| 09:01.42 | simonrvn | it's in experimental |
| 09:01.42 | Guerin | deadcat: as in, have you tried it yet? |
| 09:01.47 | deadcat | Guerin: dont know. i will try when it gets to sid |
| 09:01.50 | veleno | WiFiTux: si that free ? |
| 09:01.50 | Guerin | so 'maybe'? |
| 09:01.54 | deadcat | hehe |
| 09:01.55 | Guerin | i have experimental |
| 09:02.06 | deadcat | Guerin: you try then (=. let me know. |
| 09:02.06 | Guerin | i'll give it a crack |
| 09:02.16 | simonrvn | well, i found that isa card, but no alsa dirvers for it. it's an old pas16 |
| 09:02.22 | deadcat | Guerin: if it works i will ditch fbsplash so i can use maconlinux |
| 09:02.24 | simonrvn | dri* |
| 09:02.26 | WiFiTux | veleno, which one? |
| 09:02.29 | Guerin | i have to reboot this machine about twice a day, because the battery'd sead and I take it to work |
| 09:02.49 | deadcat | Guerin: what laptop? |
| 09:02.52 | simonrvn | i don't mind rebooting this thing, it's a desktop |
| 09:02.57 | simonrvn | workstation |
| 09:03.10 | Guerin | deadcat: toshi tecra 8000, my '97 model |
| 09:03.14 | deadcat | ah |
| 09:03.39 | deadcat | Guerin: i had a tosh 3100t, the 2.9LB one. very nice but slow. |
| 09:04.02 | veleno | WiFiTux: i imagine the 120% is not. the 80% is free? |
| 09:04.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:04.12 | Guerin | this isn't slow at all ... for a p2-233 |
| 09:04.19 | deadcat | my ibook showed 7:32hr juice last time hahahha |
| 09:04.34 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. the one i had was 233 with 128ram |
| 09:04.40 | trilly2 | cc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations |
| 09:04.44 | trilly2 | ? |
| 09:04.51 | Guerin | deadcat: this has 256 now... had 64 when I got it |
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| 09:05.01 | WiFiTux | veleno, both are, but as I said one is in FC1, so it does not have any cvs software installed. |
| 09:05.03 | shark | hi there |
| 09:05.17 | shark | anyone can give a hand with routing/forwarding and stuff pls ? |
| 09:05.32 | WiFiTux | shark, #iptables |
| 09:05.33 | deadcat | Guerin: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/framebuffer.funs/bootsplash/img_0007.jpg this one. |
| 09:05.39 | shark | WiFiTux, oki thx |
| 09:06.01 | simonrvn | shark: just ask... |
| 09:06.06 | deadcat | shark: right or left? one is busy.. if you know what i mean (= |
| 09:06.22 | Guerin | deadcat: hah, practically identical to my tecra |
| 09:06.25 | shark | simonrvn, i have a problem with my current config |
| 09:06.28 | WiFiTux | veleno, hhmm actually, it looks like I installed apt-get for FC1, so you might be able to get it working with no trouble. |
| 09:06.43 | deadcat | Guerin: sweet. fun for wardriving. not X though. |
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| 09:06.46 | shark | simonrvn, can i privmsg ? |
| 09:06.48 | simonrvn | why do people go through this rigamarole of asking to ask.... and no not me, i'll be rebooting soon |
| 09:06.50 | Guerin | key layout is the same, nipple is the same, 1-inch band of worthless space-wasting polycarb around the lcd is the same |
| 09:06.52 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:07.10 | deadcat | Guerin: i bet it rocks with screen. i wasnt a screen addict when i had that one so dont really know. |
| 09:07.11 | WiFiTux | deadcat, saw the Whoppix presentation? |
| 09:07.11 | Guerin | deadcat: i do everything except watch movies on mine. |
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| 09:07.34 | deadcat | WiFiTux: nah. where at? |
| 09:08.03 | shark | simonrvn, ok my isp gw is 216.240.159.1, my server is 216.240.159.227 and there is a ppp0 from 216.240.159.1 <--> 216.240.159.230 |
| 09:08.03 | WiFiTux | deadcat, #wireless topic, shows you how to crack wep in 10 minutes. |
| 09:08.07 | deadcat | Guerin: HAHAHAH. i am too impatient to use that with firefox. and the damn clitmouse |
| 09:08.09 | veleno | WiFiTux: well, me and my team-mate we appreciate your help |
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| 09:08.25 | deadcat | WiFiTux: oh. i can do that in 7sec. |
| 09:08.27 | shark | simonrvn, from the internet i can reach 216.240.159.230, but from 216.240.159.230 i cannot go on internet |
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| 09:08.39 | shark | simonrvn, do you know why? |
| 09:08.42 | WiFiTux | deadcat, sure, if you know the key. |
| 09:08.49 | deadcat | WiFiTux: nope. |
| 09:08.55 | deadcat | WiFiTux: just need 1/2 mil packets |
| 09:08.59 | shark | simonrvn, 216.240.159.227 is eth0 |
| 09:09.03 | Guerin | deadcat: i have an external mouse, and I run a pretty minimal kernel and fuckall services on it, so boot is pretty swift - under a minute. Once it's booted it works fine, smooth as anything. |
| 09:09.05 | WiFiTux | ivs? |
| 09:09.24 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ya. |
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| 09:09.51 | WiFiTux | deadcat, well, someone should create a script that would download, install and do everything for ya.. |
| 09:09.52 | deadcat | WiFiTux: not all 1/2 mil are ivs though. just 1/2 mil packets from .11b |
| 09:10.05 | omerANT | i have two os in my hd. i have linux. then i installed XP. after installing xp, i couldn't see grub screen. now i'm in XP now.how can i pass to linux ? |
| 09:10.16 | deadcat | Guerin: damn. (= |
| 09:10.44 | WiFiTux | omerANT, reinstall grub? |
| 09:10.45 | deadcat | Guerin: and i cant believe sleeping works fine of that thing too |
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| 09:11.11 | omerANT | WiFÝTux: how can i install grub? |
| 09:11.16 | Guerin | deadcat: nope, acpi is unusably broken |
| 09:11.22 | omerANT | WiFÝTux: i have debian |
| 09:11.30 | veleno | WiFiTux: so how can we manage this ? otherwise, i'm looking at freepository.com |
| 09:11.31 | deadcat | Guerin: apm |
| 09:11.37 | Guerin | deadcat: if I boot without acpi, usb doesn't work. At all. And acpi does nothing as well. |
| 09:11.38 | MobyTurbo | omerANT: always install Windows first then Linux. MS Windows likes to pretend it's the only OS on your computer. |
| 09:11.51 | Guerin | deadcat: dunno, never tried it. |
| 09:11.59 | Guerin | deadcat: i mean without acpi=off |
| 09:12.06 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:12.20 | WiFiTux | veleno, there might be free options, $50 options a year for a lot of stuff and a non formal option like mine. |
| 09:12.46 | omerANT | MobyTurbo: i know before it is same as you say. but i had to install xp again because some reasons |
| 09:13.06 | pingouin | is there a solution to burn mdf mds files with debian ? |
| 09:13.29 | veleno | WiFiTux: it's just that we didn't want bother you... |
| 09:13.31 | deadcat | pingouin: same way you do on other distro |
| 09:13.34 | WiFiTux | omerANT, you can try by just booting again and trying to mount and reinstall the loader. I was able to do that with woody |
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| 09:13.53 | pingouin | deadcat: i dont have other distro |
| 09:14.05 | WiFiTux | veleno, Ill create you a ftp pass, ssh and what else do you need? |
| 09:14.06 | MaTTFuRY | brb later :P |
| 09:14.16 | Bebabo | moving from apache1.3 to 2 do i apt-get remove apache before install apache2 ? |
| 09:14.37 | tarzeau | 28 rc bugs left |
| 09:14.45 | WiFiTux | veleno, just send me an email with what you need and Ill reply back. abonilla@linuxwireless.org |
| 09:14.47 | deadcat | pingouin: oh. |
| 09:14.48 | Guerin | Bebabo: yeah. |
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| 09:15.07 | liable | omerANT: what is your linux / partition? |
| 09:15.22 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: it looks like Sarge will be frozen much shorter than Woody |
| 09:15.28 | deadcat | WiFiTux: haha. that pussy uses nano |
| 09:15.37 | pingouin | deadcat: i have to convert mdf mds to iso with something to be burnable with cdrecord ? |
| 09:15.44 | grouldZ | MobyTurbo, yeah, i was expecting debian to release sarge next or something |
| 09:15.47 | grouldZ | next year even |
| 09:15.52 | WiFiTux | deadcat, in the video? instead of vi? |
| 09:15.58 | deadcat | pingouin: no clue. dont even know what format that is. |
| 09:16.00 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ya |
| 09:16.10 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: yes only a third of it |
| 09:16.26 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: not just woody, but the last three stable releases |
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| 09:16.40 | WiFiTux | deadcat, have you seen a stupid proof guide on how to crack wep? or I should use that video? |
| 09:17.25 | deadcat | WiFiTux: same thing i use. aircrack. |
| 09:18.04 | WiFiTux | deadcat, but, what do you do? kismet to a single channel, then like for 20 minutes, then use aircrack with the dumpfiles? |
| 09:18.13 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: interesting. Of course, the overall wait has been very long. The longest between releases? |
| 09:18.14 | deadcat | WiFiTux: aireplay looks nice. never used that before. |
| 09:18.23 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: yeah i think so |
| 09:18.31 | WiFiTux | deadcat, was that to generate packages? |
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| 09:18.49 | pingouin | deadcat: i guess...it's an Microsoft...iso format :/ |
| 09:18.52 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: it's hard to believe that some Debian releases were only a year apart. |
| 09:19.04 | Guerin | so little software back then |
| 09:19.07 | deadcat | WiFiTux: thats a freakin 64bit. |
| 09:19.08 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: well look at the package count |
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| 09:19.15 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: and maintainer number |
| 09:19.18 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: it almost doubled |
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| 09:19.22 | tarzeau | everytime |
| 09:19.39 | WiFiTux | deadcat, I understood almost everything but airplay |
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| 09:20.13 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: yeah, I figured the package count was what makes it harder. |
| 09:20.19 | Guerin | at current rates of growth, in another 15 years, debian will be bigger than all the rest of the software in the world combined. |
| 09:20.21 | veleno | WiFiTux: just sent you an email, from ervalerio at tiscali dot it |
| 09:20.42 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: of course, the package count is part of what makes Debian attractive. |
| 09:20.42 | mutante | "df -h" shows a wrong result on the free disk space of an external usb drive (/dev/sda), f.e. it says Used 8.5 GB Free 141 GB while a "du -hs" on some folder inside this drive shows a bigger size than supposedly used altogether |
| 09:20.51 | WiFiTux | veleno, tiscali huh? sounds linux-kernel familiar |
| 09:21.00 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: not just that, but also the quality of the packages and the management of it |
| 09:21.05 | mutante | is it a known issue ? usb connected harddisks and reporting correct disk size? |
| 09:21.24 | deadcat | WiFiTux: maybe he has 2 cards |
| 09:21.27 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: yes, all the commercial distros are full of things that are broken in their releases. |
| 09:21.29 | deadcat | but let me try. |
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| 09:21.52 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: and they don't even have important software like GNUstep |
| 09:21.57 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:22.12 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: I was wondering when you'd bring that up. :) |
| 09:22.14 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: and their installers sucks major ass |
| 09:22.17 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: heh ;) |
| 09:22.36 | deadcat | WiFiTux: help me find the link to the file so i can download it |
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| 09:23.24 | MobyTurbo | Sarge's installer is great. It's even newbie-friendly assuming the newbie is not afraid of text mode. |
| 09:23.26 | WiFiTux | deadcat, aireplay? |
| 09:23.35 | deadcat | WiFiTux: no. the presentation |
| 09:24.00 | MobyTurbo | Woody's installer wasn't too bad either, it is very flexable in the hands of an experienced user. |
| 09:24.10 | veleno | WiFiTux: not that deep as you could imagine |
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| 09:24.23 | Guerin | the main strike against it is that its hardware detection was pretty minimal |
| 09:24.23 | WiFiTux | veleno, ? |
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| 09:24.29 | WiFiTux | ok |
| 09:24.32 | Guerin | particularly Xwise |
| 09:24.35 | veleno | WiFiTux: about linux kernel |
| 09:24.38 | WiFiTux | deadcat, I don't know what you are asking for. |
| 09:24.41 | WiFiTux | veleno, yep |
| 09:24.42 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: yeah, modconf is intimidating. |
| 09:24.44 | spdf | deadcat, I think you may have mentioned it before, but what kind of iBook is that in the video? |
| 09:24.46 | deadcat | WiFiTux: the flash file |
| 09:25.00 | deadcat | spdf: g3 800mhz. |
| 09:25.06 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: it's ok if you understand the concept of kernel modules... |
| 09:25.32 | WiFiTux | deadcat, you want the file itself? |
| 09:25.39 | deadcat | WiFiTux: yes |
| 09:25.53 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: I figured out what to do pretty fast, but I wouldn't expect that of the average new *nix user. |
| 09:25.54 | WiFiTux | deadcat, Whoppix-wepcrack.swf OK... |
| 09:26.06 | deadcat | WiFiTux: whole link |
| 09:26.29 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: I tried it when I was a new *nix user, and it took me 3 or 4 tries to not fuck it up utterly |
| 09:26.36 | WiFiTux | http://whoppix.hackingdefined.com/Whoppix-wepcrack.html |
| 09:26.38 | Karnaugh | run-parts: /etc/cron.hourly/apt-update exited with return code 100 |
| 09:26.44 | Karnaugh | what is code 100? |
| 09:26.54 | Guerin | not THAT new ... I'd used mandy and hat and fedora 1 and knoppix and mepis |
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| 09:27.01 | Guerin | but only for a week or so each |
| 09:27.02 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: I think I messed up once |
| 09:27.23 | WiFiTux | veleno, I sent you an email |
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| 09:27.32 | veleno | WiFiTux: got it |
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| 09:27.40 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: my first distro was LFS Linux kernel 0.95, before there was LFS. :-) |
| 09:27.54 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: haha. w00t. |
| 09:28.00 | grouldZ | you're just too cool aren't you MobyTurbo |
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| 09:28.15 | Guerin | mine was august 14 2003, two days after my machine got pwn3d by blaster. |
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| 09:28.30 | MaTTFuRY | yay im in the GUI =D |
| 09:28.36 | MobyTurbo | I just happened to be in a well connected area at the time Linux was being rolled out, and had experience in Unix so I knew what to expect. |
| 09:28.47 | Guerin | mandrake 9, on the instructions of googling "what linux should I use" or somesuch |
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| 09:29.25 | MobyTurbo | Mandrake is the only distro I've tried that I *hate*. |
| 09:29.34 | liable | MaTTFuRY: :) |
| 09:29.36 | mutante | still better than Suse ;) |
| 09:29.41 | MaTTFuRY | :P |
| 09:29.42 | Guerin | I note that a google on what linux should i use now turns up a lot of hots for novell and suse |
| 09:29.42 | trilly2 | hmm, insmod keeps saying the fcpci.o i compiled is compiled with gcc 2 while my kernel is with 3, but im sure i compiled the module with gcc-3.3 |
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| 09:29.47 | Guerin | great... |
| 09:29.51 | MaTTFuRY | now to tweak ...... :) |
| 09:29.53 | bernouli | how can i share a folder in debian? |
| 09:29.58 | Guerin | mutante: hah, you read my mind |
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| 09:30.22 | MobyTurbo | I'd used SuSE 7.2 and 7.3 which was better, I haven't used later SuSE with all-singing-all-dancing YAST though. |
| 09:30.23 | mutante | bernouli: install samba if you mean "windows shares" |
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| 09:30.34 | paulswm | Sarge's installer could do with a bit of improvement in the disk/filesystem section, it isn't intuitive and requires a bit of to-and-fro. |
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| 09:30.37 | deadcat | WiFiTux: damn my prism card is being used right now(current connection) and my orinoco doesn suport aireplay |
| 09:30.43 | WiFiTux | deadcat, you can download it if you go to http://whoppix.hackingdefined.com/Whoppix-wepcrack.swf |
| 09:30.44 | bernouli | mutante: no, it should be shared between debians |
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| 09:30.49 | HansZ | folks.. I've got troubles playing AVI files with mplayer |
| 09:30.53 | bernouli | i am afraidi should use nfs |
| 09:31.06 | Guerin | bernouli: you can sill use samba, but nfs is probably easier |
| 09:31.09 | mutante | bernouli: well,you could just "scp -r somefolder" between them |
| 09:31.10 | WiFiTux | deadcat, I found the download for that aireplay |
| 09:31.12 | deadcat | WiFiTux: thanks. |
| 09:31.19 | Guerin | well |
| 09:31.24 | bernouli | ok, i ll try scp |
| 09:31.24 | deadcat | WiFiTux: apt-get install aircrack |
| 09:31.25 | WiFiTux | np |
| 09:31.33 | Guerin | you could also use shfs, which is a ssh-based filesystem |
| 09:31.44 | MobyTurbo | paulswm: that's usually the hardest part of any installer. |
| 09:31.45 | Guerin | but wht's wrong with nfs? |
| 09:31.49 | deadcat | spdf: like the ibook pics? (= orinoco+ibook hehe |
| 09:31.57 | WiFiTux | deadcat, file ia alrady there |
| 09:32.07 | HansZ | I'm getting this message while trying to play movies as non-root user:Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Invalid argument |
| 09:32.07 | HansZ | Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Invalid argument |
| 09:32.07 | HansZ | Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts. |
| 09:32.07 | HansZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:32.20 | Guerin | HansZ: topic |
| 09:32.26 | HansZ | Guerin, mplayer |
| 09:32.34 | revdiablo | ... |
| 09:32.38 | liable | hahaha |
| 09:32.44 | Guerin | HansZ: 1) it's a fucking warning, ignore it 2) the solution is in the fucking error message |
| 09:32.54 | Guerin | HansZ: no, read the fucking TOPIC |
| 09:32.57 | deadcat | WiFiTux: damn. now i want a x86 laptop |
| 09:33.00 | Guerin | which says NO PASTING |
| 09:33.00 | deadcat | also (= |
| 09:33.05 | bernouli | cool, scp works |
| 09:33.13 | HansZ | Guerin, dude.. calm down.. |
| 09:33.13 | Guerin | fucking |
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| 09:33.22 | Guerin | fuckity fuck fucky fucky |
| 09:33.25 | WiFiTux | deadcat, why do you need an x86? |
| 09:33.38 | MobyTurbo | !fuck Guerin |
| 09:33.39 | deadcat | WiFiTux: hostap |
| 09:33.46 | paulswm | MobyTurbo: I mean I found it confusing, and I'm good at that stuff. It took me a bit of back-and-forth to figure out how to make my lvm fses. Of course, it works great, just is not obvious from the screens. |
| 09:33.59 | WiFiTux | deadcat, it doesn't work in amd? |
| 09:34.12 | HansZ | Guerin, Well after that message it says playing AVI File.. however ther'es no screen nor any status of being played |
| 09:34.12 | deadcat | WiFiTux: i dont like amd chips |
| 09:34.22 | MobyTurbo | paulswm: I didn't try the new LVM stuff |
| 09:34.23 | WiFiTux | oh |
| 09:34.43 | Guerin | HansZ: that error comes up even when the file plays fine; I see it all the time. |
| 09:34.55 | HansZ | Guerin, well yea.. but i don't get any screen |
| 09:35.16 | MobyTurbo | HansZ: the lack of a GUI is not related to that message |
| 09:35.16 | paulswm | MobyTurbo: I did four new installs a few months ago, by the third I had it off pat. :) |
| 09:35.17 | Guerin | HansZ: maybe a broken file? try 'file' on it |
| 09:35.40 | HansZ | MobyTurbo, I know.. but I should get a screen to watch the video on ;) |
| 09:36.26 | MobyTurbo | HansZ: whatever you're doing wrong has nothing to do with that error message, which only has to do with performance. |
| 09:36.44 | paulswm | deadcat: "Don't like amd chips" is to me like saying "Don't like chocolate" :) |
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| 09:36.48 | HansZ | Ok, but I don't get any error message.. |
| 09:36.51 | HansZ | +other |
| 09:36.54 | bernouli | if i have a folder, which all deb files are saved, how can i add this folder to apt's sources.list? |
| 09:37.01 | MaTTFuRY | whats the alternative for gaim in debian? |
| 09:37.02 | veleno | Wanderer: i replied with stuff needed..only cvs :-) |
| 09:37.09 | deadcat | paulswm: dont like chocolate (= |
| 09:37.10 | HansZ | MaTTFuRY, what IM? |
| 09:37.17 | MaTTFuRY | msn |
| 09:37.24 | veleno | WiFiTux: : i replied with stuff needed..only cvs :-) |
| 09:37.26 | HansZ | MaTTFuRY, try Amsn |
| 09:37.26 | MobyTurbo | !folder |
| 09:37.26 | dpkg | [folder] a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 09:37.31 | MaTTFuRY | ty :) |
| 09:37.45 | veleno | Wanderer: sorry, i misstyped destination nick of last message. |
| 09:37.51 | bernouli | can i do deb file:///etc/apt/ myfolder ? |
| 09:37.52 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ah. they have it in .avi |
| 09:38.08 | paulswm | !fruitsmite deadcat |
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| 09:38.15 | Guerin | MaTTFuRY: use you irc client. |
| 09:38.26 | HansZ | bitlbee bitldaa.. |
| 09:38.37 | deadcat | paulswm: white chocolate count? (= although i still dont eat too much |
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| 09:39.19 | WiFiTux | deadcat, cool, flash is smaller I think; |
| 09:39.20 | paulswm | deadcat: j/k, funny I picked chocolate as the metaphor, heh |
| 09:39.30 | MaTTFuRY | Geurin: i use X-chat |
| 09:39.47 | HansZ | MaTTFuRY, you can also access MSN trough IRC |
| 09:39.50 | rudenstam | what modules does wondershaper need ? I couldn't find it in it's docs.. |
| 09:40.01 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ppc dont play nice with flash (= |
| 09:40.07 | Guerin | MaTTFuRY: connect to the server im.bitlbee.org and type 'help' in #bitlbee |
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| 09:40.17 | WiFiTux | G |
| 09:40.18 | mutante | bernouli: i think "apt-move" will be interesting for you |
| 09:40.42 | deadcat | paulswm: hehe. you just triggered me for a peanutbutter sandwich. (= |
| 09:40.46 | davi | How to tell the linux kernel use ide-scsi instead of whatever ? |
| 09:41.13 | mutante | bernouli: and it looks like a local path in sources.list is no problem,try it |
| 09:41.20 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.23 | HansZ | omg VLC pwnz.. |
| 09:41.35 | HansZ | it can even open ISO files where DVD is within =P |
| 09:42.03 | bernouli | mutante: apt-move not found |
| 09:42.09 | priest | HansZ: ogle does it even better :) |
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| 09:42.21 | HansZ | priest, really? |
| 09:42.27 | WiFiTux | veleno, how often will you be accesing the cvs server? |
| 09:42.40 | Seto | i need help with samba and windows printer share |
| 09:42.49 | mutante | bernouli: uhmm,maybe outdated and was on woody only ...hmm |
| 09:42.54 | WiFiTux | Seto, me too |
| 09:42.54 | sobersabre | Seb, |
| 09:43.08 | sobersabre | Seto, what is the problem ? |
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| 09:43.16 | priest | HansZ: yes, or did you get dvd-menues with vlc when you opened iso-files? |
| 09:43.18 | sobersabre | Seb, sorry false alarm |
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| 09:43.29 | Seto | i have try many howto , but when I want to acces to the debian samba server from windows I must use an account |
| 09:43.44 | Seto | and I don't find any login/pass working |
| 09:43.54 | Seto | I have use guest in my smb.conf |
| 09:44.31 | sobersabre | paste your printers section into #flood |
| 09:44.34 | priest | Seto: you must add acounts to samba with smbpasswd |
| 09:44.39 | veleno | WiFiTux: you mean how often we'll perform some commit ? i don't know, not that frequently..few times per day |
| 09:44.47 | bernouli | ok, i am setting up trough apt-setup, i select the folder, but it said not dists is found |
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| 09:45.05 | Guerin | bernouli: youn need to make the folder into a repo |
| 09:45.14 | Guerin | there's a tool to do this, but its name escapes me |
| 09:45.22 | HansZ | hmm there is a deb for w32codecs right..? it was in the maril<what is the complete name?> |
| 09:45.32 | Guerin | marillat |
| 09:45.33 | WiFiTux | veleno, I think we will go in the 80% access one, and if things work fine, then move to the best one. |
| 09:45.36 | HansZ | thanks |
| 09:45.37 | mutante | Guerin: there was apt-move in woody it seems,but now its gone |
| 09:45.51 | Guerin | mutante: apt-move doesn't make a repository |
| 09:46.30 | Seto | priest, I had a blank password is it ok ,, |
| 09:46.36 | bernouli | ok, nvm, now if i have a .deb file, how can i install it? i am very new with debian |
| 09:47.04 | HansZ | bernouli, You can access manuals with 'man'.. in this case it is 'man dpkg' |
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| 09:47.11 | Seto | no don't work |
| 09:47.26 | priest | bernouli: dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 09:47.31 | bernouli | ok, thanks |
| 09:47.31 | mutante | bernouli: dpkg -i |
| 09:47.35 | priest | Seto: i don't know. |
| 09:47.44 | deadcat | Hans is a common name yes? |
| 09:47.53 | HansZ | Maybe.. |
| 09:47.58 | Guerin | it's german for 'John' |
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| 09:48.04 | HansZ | really...? |
| 09:48.11 | bernouli | is there any -UvH like rpm, to tell dpkg to search for the dependencies automagically? |
| 09:48.14 | Guerin | welll, if you don't count 'Johann' |
| 09:48.17 | HansZ | my father is named John.. |
| 09:48.19 | deadcat | ya i was reading this book and lots of people were called hans |
| 09:48.21 | mutante | bernouli: http://www.interparse.com/debianmirror/ maybe that later |
| 09:48.22 | Seto | hmm , why windows display me this fucking login : passwd |
| 09:48.25 | bernouli | maybe i should try man dpkg |
| 09:48.30 | paulswm | bernouli: you should install debian packages with 'apt-get' or 'aptitude', not by downloading the debs and doing it manually, unless the package is from outside the distro |
| 09:48.52 | HansZ | Guerin, lol.. my second names are "Johannis David" |
| 09:48.57 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:49.14 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:49.16 | bernouli | pulswm, the problem is, i dont have internet for that deb box for some reason |
| 09:49.18 | HansZ | => |
| 09:49.25 | Seto | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.25 | deadcat | you got it all hehe |
| 09:50.00 | glick | scuse me is it possible for a kernel to work flawlessly in one distro and then that exact same kernel cause problems in another distro on the same hardware and everthing? |
| 09:50.07 | glick | would that signify a kernel problem |
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| 09:50.10 | liable | wow, I thought booting sarge install from floppy would be a pita, easy as piss. Dunno why I thought that. |
| 09:50.10 | glick | or a distro prblem? |
| 09:50.28 | Maulkin | glick: How do you know it;s exactly the same kernel? |
| 09:50.41 | deadcat | Maulkin: cp |
| 09:50.45 | glick | Maulkin, same vanilla source number and same config file used |
| 09:50.50 | Maulkin | glick: Have you built both from source? |
| 09:50.50 | bob2 | glick: it's almost certainly a config problem by you |
| 09:51.00 | MobyTurbo | glick: most distros integrate their own patches |
| 09:51.11 | bernouli | if i have many .deb file in one folder, can i do dpkg -i * ? |
| 09:51.11 | glick | MobyTurbo, no, both vanilla patches |
| 09:51.16 | glick | i mean vanilla sources |
| 09:51.24 | HansZ | bernouli, Yes, that's the power of Bash |
| 09:51.34 | bob2 | glick: er, vanilla is missing things like inotify |
| 09:51.44 | bob2 | glick: and support for lots of hardware |
| 09:51.57 | deadcat | bernouli: cant you dpkg -i *.deb? |
| 09:51.59 | glick | why is that? |
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| 09:52.10 | MobyTurbo | glick: you don't want vanilla 2.6 kernels, according to Linus himself they aren't as stable as vendor kernels. |
| 09:52.10 | HansZ | deadcat, erm.. He asked if that is possible :P |
| 09:52.10 | glick | shouldnt the kernel be getting better and not worse? |
| 09:52.19 | deadcat | HansZ: hehe |
| 09:52.29 | Guerin | glick: one might think that |
| 09:52.36 | Guerin | !kernel of gartuitous changes |
| 09:52.40 | Guerin | !kernel of gratuitous changes |
| 09:52.41 | dpkg | Linux 2.6; see <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 09:52.45 | bernouli | deadcat, yes i can, but it said another packages should be first installed, since the packages are in that folder |
| 09:52.45 | MobyTurbo | glick: I think you don't understand what vanilla kernels are for. |
| 09:52.47 | Guerin | !kernel of instability |
| 09:52.47 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 09:52.57 | HansZ | Guerin, use /msg please |
| 09:53.06 | Seto | no idea |
| 09:53.14 | deadcat | bernouli: you could --force it (= then apt-get install -f |
| 09:53.19 | bernouli | so that i thought dpkg -i * should solve the problem |
| 09:53.28 | bernouli | deadcat, i dont have internet on that box |
| 09:53.55 | bernouli | what i want to do, is to tell dpkg to search the dependencies in that folder too, since the .deb files are all there |
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| 09:54.08 | deadcat | bernouli: move all the .debs to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 09:54.10 | bob2 | bernouli: so, use apt and make a proper apt source |
| 09:54.13 | mutante | but dpkg has -R for recursive into a directory anyways |
| 09:54.21 | bob2 | dpkg doesn't know or care about resolving dependencies |
| 09:54.25 | liable | I havent noticed any difference in the hardware support between vanilla and debian source |
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| 09:54.38 | glick | well stock kernels did not support my external firewire drive correctly |
| 09:54.46 | bob2 | liable: debian doesn't add patches for hardware support |
| 09:54.55 | bob2 | others do, like ubuntu, which is what glick is using |
| 09:54.58 | bernouli | deadcat, ok i will try that |
| 09:55.00 | liable | right |
| 09:55.06 | glick | 2.6.11-9 seems to work |
| 09:55.08 | bob2 | glick: so, as I said, get the ubuntu kernel source, add your patch, and build it using the ubuntu config |
| 09:55.10 | mutante | bernouli: dont have a debian cd? |
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| 09:55.18 | liable | well, why is he here? |
| 09:55.22 | glick | bob2, i dont have a patch |
| 09:55.27 | bob2 | liable: I don't know |
| 09:55.30 | glick | i dont know from what kernel on it works |
| 09:55.36 | bob2 | glick: so find out |
| 09:55.38 | deadcat | bernouli: if you trying to get the .debs from laptop to the desktop. you can put in taht dir then upgrade. (= assuming both machine have similar package list. thats what i used to do |
| 09:55.39 | mutante | bernouli: the cd-rom you can simply add to sources.list |
| 09:55.47 | bob2 | glick: look at the kernel changelogs for fireirwre |
| 09:55.52 | mutante | bernouli: then you can use apt-get and it will care for dependencies |
| 09:55.53 | glick | i just know that 2.6.11-9 works and that 2.6.11-1 from ubuntu did nto |
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| 09:56.04 | Fare | hum. I'm trying to install debian on a machine with a wireless usb key/mouse combo (motorola chipset), and it looks like linux is not seeing the mouse, only the keyboard |
| 09:56.24 | glick | bob2, lol i did that from 2.6.11-1 to 2.6.11-9 |
| 09:56.29 | Fare | module mousedev has usage counter 1, but using gpm on /dev/input/mice has no effect |
| 09:56.29 | glick | saw nothing |
| 09:56.37 | bob2 | glick: if you mean 2.6.11.9, please say so |
| 09:56.41 | bob2 | it is a very important difference |
| 09:57.06 | glick | yeah thas what i mean |
| 09:57.14 | MaTTFuRY | hey what was the network for windows program? |
| 09:57.22 | MaTTFuRY | it was included with FC3 |
| 09:57.24 | drac | Fare: 'psmouse' or 'usbhid'.. |
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| 09:57.40 | MaTTFuRY | to access windows shares? |
| 09:57.44 | Fare | drac: I should insmod that? |
| 09:57.44 | bob2 | MaTTFuRY: smbclient |
| 09:57.49 | Guerin | MaTTFuRY: apt-cache search samba |
| 09:57.50 | mutante | Fare: sometimes the mouse is /dev/psaux ,and those wireless combos connect to usb and ps/2 |
| 09:57.53 | liable | can you install sarge entirely from floppies? |
| 09:58.03 | MaTTFuRY | Guerin THANKS! :P |
| 09:58.15 | Fare | oh, debian installed a 2.4.27 at this point. I suppose I should upgrade the kernel |
| 09:58.18 | Guerin | liable: anything's possible. |
| 09:58.20 | drac | Fare: Insmod shouldn't be used at all. Try 'modprobe' instead. |
| 09:58.40 | MaTTFuRY | how do i install the deb files? |
| 09:58.45 | liable | Guerin: but theres only 4 floppies, and it asked for the cd |
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| 09:58.46 | MaTTFuRY | sh ### .deb ? |
| 09:58.46 | Fare | mutante: the mouse wasn't seen as /dev/psaux, so I rebooted with an actual mouse as psaux |
| 09:58.57 | HansZ | MaTTFuRY: dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 09:58.59 | Fare | maybe that's causing troubles |
| 09:59.02 | Guerin | MaTTFuRY: aptitude install packagename |
| 09:59.05 | Fare | I'll reboot with a newer kernel |
| 09:59.16 | MaTTFuRY | thanks |
| 09:59.44 | Guerin | liable: well, it defaultly wants packages off the cd because it rightly predicts that nobody would be insane enough to put 14 CDs of software on floppies. |
| 10:00.05 | Guerin | liable: you can probably TELL it to take them off floppies... or you can tell it to use a network. |
| 10:00.34 | liable | Guerin: just the base, I was thinking, nm, i'll have a look for it. thanks |
| 10:01.46 | Mrz | a bit easier.. |
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| 10:02.17 | MaTTFuRY | guerin how do i get the rest of the dependicies? |
| 10:02.28 | liable | it does it for you |
| 10:02.45 | Guerin | MaTTFuRY: aptitude will automatically install any dependencies for you. This is why you should use aptitude install and not dpkg -i |
| 10:02.49 | liable | or the recommends? |
| 10:03.01 | Guerin | recommends are optional |
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| 10:03.37 | glick | here is my config file is anyone is curious http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/?5781 |
| 10:04.04 | liable | not really :) |
| 10:04.30 | tarzeau | Guerin: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ here are mine |
| 10:04.35 | glick | i thought you where leet |
| 10:04.35 | amorphix | how do i restart X to load the config? |
| 10:04.38 | liable | yeah, like getting an enema :) |
| 10:04.42 | Guerin | ooh, linux pr0n!!1 |
| 10:04.46 | amorphix | (from within X) |
| 10:04.54 | Guerin | amorphix: use a dm? |
| 10:04.57 | MaTTFuRY | ohh thanks :) |
| 10:05.02 | bbrazil | amorphix: crtl-alt-backspace (tad dangerous) |
| 10:05.06 | Guerin | no |
| 10:05.08 | Guerin | don't do that |
| 10:05.10 | amorphix | Guerin: sure, i gdm..i want to force a config reload |
| 10:05.23 | Guerin | amorphix: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 10:05.27 | amorphix | aha thanks |
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| 10:05.42 | liable | bbrazil: why dangerous? |
| 10:05.56 | deadcat | WiFiTux: dont seem to work for my version of aireplay |
| 10:05.56 | bbrazil | liable: kills things |
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| 10:06.26 | Guerin | it doesn't shut down cleanly, saving state and so on. It kust kills all X processes. Only use it when nothing else works. |
| 10:06.34 | glick | i guess its a mystery |
| 10:06.37 | liable | oh |
| 10:06.46 | glick | only jesus knows why that is happening i guess |
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| 10:07.01 | Guerin | i don't remember jesus posting to LKML anytime recently |
| 10:07.04 | liable | glick: yes, pray you sinner |
| 10:07.12 | Guerin | well, not THAT jesus anyway |
| 10:07.14 | WiFiTux | deadcat, needs ng or prism.. :( |
| 10:07.15 | deadcat | liable: hahah. goodone |
| 10:07.16 | WiFiTux | off to be dnow |
| 10:07.29 | WiFiTux | 4AM :| |
| 10:07.34 | Skrylar | Is there any place I can get the Bitstream Chater font that comes with Debian for my windows box? I really don't feel like powering up my debian box just to copy a ttf file over |
| 10:07.35 | deadcat | WiFiTux: i was using hostap. |
| 10:07.47 | Mrz | \o/ |
| 10:07.48 | Guerin | all you lucky bastards who still have sunday to look forward to |
| 10:07.49 | WiFiTux | deadcat, that works I think.... |
| 10:07.56 | deadcat | WiFiTux: nope. |
| 10:08.00 | glick | i knocked a kid named jesus out one time |
| 10:08.01 | liable | bleh, work tommorrow |
| 10:08.03 | glick | in HS |
| 10:08.07 | deadcat | WiFiTux: but i guess i was doing something wrong |
| 10:08.10 | glick | hehe i kicked jesus's ass |
| 10:08.20 | Guerin | Skrylar: there are 3rdparty apps for windows which can read ext* filesystems |
| 10:08.33 | Skrylar | Guerin: this is on another computer completely |
| 10:08.35 | Mrz | I've got troubles getting mplayer-586, see #flood |
| 10:08.36 | deadcat | glick: but not as in christ. you knocked out a spanish kid |
| 10:08.45 | liable | but, I dont think I actually have too :) |
| 10:08.49 | Guerin | Skrylar: how you planning to get it off, then? |
| 10:08.52 | Skrylar | Guerin: and the Linux on my desktop is Gentoo on jfs (dang jfs is more headaches than its worth) |
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| 10:09.05 | Skrylar | Guerin: I was hoping there was an archive somewhere I could download |
| 10:09.07 | Guerin | Skrylar: good luck with that. |
| 10:09.21 | Guerin | Skrylar: there's bound to be. |
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| 10:09.25 | bernouli | i get error during compiling: dnet.h not found, what should i do? |
| 10:09.26 | glick | deadcat, yes that is correct Jesus Christ has been dead for some time now i believe |
| 10:09.36 | Guerin | !wayc bernouli |
| 10:09.37 | dpkg | bernouli: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 10:09.41 | Skrylar | Guerin: so far I've found ample sources to /pay/ for the "public domained" font |
| 10:09.45 | mutante | Skrylar: http://ftp.nluug.nl/textproc/tex-archive/obsolete/fonts/charter/ |
| 10:09.52 | Mrz | Hey what to do when you get this message: "E: Broken Packages |
| 10:10.09 | glick | or not dead |
| 10:10.11 | glick | but not hear |
| 10:10.13 | glick | here |
| 10:10.14 | Skrylar | ew... |
| 10:10.16 | bernouli | Guerin: it is another package from uni |
| 10:10.18 | glick | whateva u believe |
| 10:10.19 | Guerin | Mrz: apt-get -f install |
| 10:10.21 | Skrylar | apparently the ttf isn't free |
| 10:10.23 | deadcat | glick: no i mean the way they pronouse jesus. |
| 10:10.50 | Guerin | bernouli: when you configure, it should fail if it can't find the right libs. Search and find them. /msg dpkg search |
| 10:10.51 | glick | well i called him jesus like Jesus |
| 10:10.54 | Mrz | Geurin: didn't do anything, except telling me that it didnt install any |
| 10:10.59 | deadcat | glick: haaahha |
| 10:11.01 | Skrylar | mutante: is there any way to get a ttf? Im wanting to use this in OpenOffice |
| 10:11.03 | Fare | ouch, 2.6 is seeing the hard drive as hde, not hda (motherboard has special slot for ATA100) |
| 10:11.17 | Fare | what should I specify on the kernel command line for that? |
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| 10:11.32 | Guerin | Mrz: WHY does it say the packages? |
| 10:11.36 | Guerin | are broken |
| 10:11.37 | sobersabre | Fare what's the problem with this ? |
| 10:11.43 | Guerin | not sure how that got lost |
| 10:11.46 | sobersabre | what's so bad about hde ? |
| 10:11.47 | Mrz | Guerin: because it doens't have some dependicies |
| 10:11.56 | Guerin | Mrz: install those dependencies. |
| 10:12.02 | liable | Mrz: update? |
| 10:12.02 | mutante | Skrylar: hmm,try google "AFM to TTF converter"? |
| 10:12.03 | bernouli | dpkg doesnt return me anything ig i type /msg dpkg search dnet.h |
| 10:12.19 | Guerin | bernouli: no, type it in an irc window |
| 10:12.22 | Mrz | liable: k |
| 10:12.28 | Guerin | dpkg is a bot, he'll tell you if you ask him |
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| 10:12.43 | bernouli | dpkg search det.h |
| 10:12.48 | Guerin | !search |
| 10:12.48 | dpkg | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 10:12.50 | bernouli | dpkg search dnet.h |
| 10:12.53 | glick | its soo funny in kindergarten while my mom was dressing me i had the brilliant idea "Hey mom, what i tell people im Jesus? We could make a lot of money" she shook me and said "Don't you ever do that you hear me? You must never do that!" |
| 10:12.55 | Fare | sobersabre: well, when transitioning from 2.4 to 2.6, hda becomes hde |
| 10:13.04 | Guerin | bernouli: those there are your methods of searching. |
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| 10:13.13 | MaTTFuRY | *g* i think im in love with debian lol |
| 10:13.17 | liable | bernouli: for future reference /msg dpkg search blah |
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| 10:13.21 | jono | hi all |
| 10:13.26 | sobersabre | Fare, is there a way to change the IDE controllers order in BIOS ? |
| 10:13.32 | Skrylar | mutante: seems to be all on TTF to AFM >| |
| 10:13.35 | glick | MaTTFuRY, yeah thats pretty fsckin sad and i wouldnt tell that to too many people |
| 10:13.42 | bernouli | liale, i did that, but Guerin meant i should typ it here |
| 10:13.52 | glick | MaTTFuRY, your in love with voltage signals do you realise that? |
| 10:13.56 | MaTTFuRY | glick why not? |
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| 10:14.03 | abrocadabro | hi, what's the main difference between a http proxy and a socks proxy? |
| 10:14.06 | Guerin | bernouli: just search. nothing else. ask him about it, and he'll tell you. |
| 10:14.11 | MaTTFuRY | err: correction :: RADIATION :P |
| 10:14.19 | jono | is there a way to list a dependency tree for a particular package? I need to get all packages that kernel-package depends on and put them on a USB keyring |
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| 10:14.31 | MaTTFuRY | does debian have yum? |
| 10:14.38 | liable | bernouli: /msg dpkg info blah |
| 10:14.46 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, er. why would it? |
| 10:14.48 | deadcat | MaTTFuRY: what the fuck you need yum on debian for? |
| 10:14.55 | liable | MaTTFuRY: wipe your mouth out with soap |
| 10:14.56 | deadcat | MaTTFuRY: stop smoking crack. |
| 10:14.58 | Guerin | jono: apt-cache depends packagename |
| 10:14.58 | bernouli | dnet.h does not exist |
| 10:15.02 | jono | Guerin, cheers |
| 10:15.03 | MobyTurbo | MaTTFuRY: it doesn't need yum. apt-get + dpkg is better than yum or apt-rpm |
| 10:15.05 | MaTTFuRY | 4 insults :P |
| 10:15.06 | spdf | MaTTFuRY, apt being some crazily large number in magnitude better.. |
| 10:15.18 | deadcat | MaTTFuRY: you fucking deserve it.. more (= |
| 10:15.19 | glick | software is patterns of voltage signals that causes a control unit to produce other patturns of voltage signals through gates and flip flops |
| 10:15.24 | kev009 | does debian have emerge? :-) |
| 10:15.25 | mutante | Skrylar: well,i found Perl Modules for AFM http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Font/Font-AFM-1.18.readme .hmm,shrug |
| 10:15.31 | spdf | kev009, die. |
| 10:15.31 | MaTTFuRY | hahaha ruthless :P |
| 10:15.34 | liable | !irritate MaTTFuRY |
| 10:15.34 | glick | for the love of god dont love software and hardware, get off your computers and love people |
| 10:15.35 | dpkg | MaTTFuRY: wenas who uses cable hello? |
| 10:15.35 | deadcat | kev009: no motherfucker |
| 10:15.40 | bernouli | somebody has idea where i can get dnet.h? |
| 10:15.46 | MaTTFuRY | lol |
| 10:15.54 | Guerin | bernouli: did you search? |
| 10:15.55 | Fare | sorry, it was already hde in 2.4 -- I just made a wrong assumption. |
| 10:15.56 | deadcat | (= |
| 10:16.08 | liable | isnt a .h a header? |
| 10:16.08 | Fare | So all I need to do is add hda=noprobe and hdb=noprobe on the command line |
| 10:16.10 | MaTTFuRY | and too think i was going to try Gentoo |
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| 10:16.16 | MobyTurbo | !fgi dnet.h |
| 10:16.23 | spdf | bernouli, libdnet |
| 10:16.39 | nevyn | kev009: word! |
| 10:16.44 | MaTTFuRY | cya's all |
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| 10:16.48 | Guerin | nevyn: emacs! |
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| 10:17.02 | Fare | however, despite the kernel upgrade, linux still doesn't see the mouse |
| 10:17.06 | nevyn | Guerin: hrm that doesn't really work as well. |
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| 10:17.12 | bernouli | spdf, thanks |
| 10:17.15 | liable | Fare: usb? |
| 10:17.16 | Guerin | nevyn: no. it works much better. |
| 10:17.18 | nevyn | Guerin: maybe vi!! |
| 10:17.26 | Guerin | nevyn: quelle vidiot! |
| 10:17.26 | Fare | usb, in a keyboard+mouse kit with motorola chipset |
| 10:17.29 | spdf | bernouli, For example... libdnet-dev for the headers and libraries.. which is what you need.. |
| 10:17.32 | Mrz | !mplayer |
| 10:17.32 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs> |
| 10:17.46 | liable | Fare: /msg dpkg usb mouse |
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| 10:17.53 | Skrylar | Isn't Xine just as bad as Mplayer as far as licensing goes? |
| 10:17.58 | Skrylar | or is it the mencode that kills it |
| 10:18.05 | kev009 | how do I distupgrade? |
| 10:18.18 | deadcat | kev009: from what to what? |
| 10:18.29 | kev009 | deadcat: from woody to something newer |
| 10:18.36 | kev009 | deadcat: maybe testing |
| 10:18.38 | liable | kev009: change sources, update dist-upgrade |
| 10:18.46 | deadcat | !tell kev009 about stable->testing |
| 10:18.49 | MobyTurbo | !tell kev009 -about woody->sarge |
| 10:18.57 | liable | kev009: /msg dpkg woody > sarge |
| 10:19.02 | xtension | hi |
| 10:19.14 | kev009 | ok thanks |
| 10:19.22 | kev009 | new to deb sorry |
| 10:19.30 | xtension | i heard on #debian bout bubbob and so i dl the tar |
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| 10:20.02 | deadcat | kev009: where you from? |
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| 10:20.03 | xtension | how to run the client ? it just keeps on connecting to localhost thinking its a server |
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| 10:20.20 | bernouli | spdf, i installed libdnet and libdnet-dev, but it still tells me that dnet.h not found |
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| 10:20.51 | bernouli | should i point out where dnet.h is loceated? |
| 10:20.52 | liable | !info dnet.h |
| 10:20.52 | xtension | yes i have read the docs online |
| 10:21.58 | glick | http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/internet/05/27/yahoo.nudes.ap/index.html |
| 10:21.59 | glick | haha |
| 10:22.01 | glick | sucka! |
| 10:22.20 | glick | lol that guy rules |
| 10:22.48 | xtension | Cecilia Barnes, 48 |
| 10:22.51 | bernouli | liable, did you find something? |
| 10:23.00 | Guerin | no, that guy does not rule |
| 10:23.00 | xtension | why does she bother ? |
| 10:23.26 | liable | bernouli: what are you actually doing? |
| 10:23.26 | Guerin | she bothers because she stands a good chance of winning SOME money from SOMEONE, and at least gaining a little bit of dignity back. |
| 10:23.29 | deadcat | xtension: $ |
| 10:23.38 | xtension | does she think ppl are watching the photos ?! |
| 10:23.43 | bob2 | who the hell would do that to an ex |
| 10:23.47 | bob2 | what an arsehole |
| 10:23.53 | Skrylar | someone who really didn't like the ex I guess |
| 10:23.55 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:24.08 | Fare | mousedev IS inserted, and so is hid; hotplug is here. Yet the mouse doesn't work :( |
| 10:24.13 | xtension | i wanna play bubbob |
| 10:24.15 | Guerin | putting the pics up, I can see - right at the insane edge of possibility. But impersonating her in chatrooms? |
| 10:24.20 | bernouli | liable, i am compiling a package, which name fwtest, it is packagefrom uni |
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| 10:24.35 | bob2 | apt-fuck: er? |
| 10:24.49 | liable | hah, funky nick |
| 10:24.50 | deadcat | bob2: sounds like a ban to me (= |
| 10:25.19 | liable | bernouli: you have read the readme, I take it? |
| 10:25.29 | glick | Guerin, comon its funny and creative |
| 10:25.34 | Guerin | glick: it's neither. |
| 10:25.37 | glick | especially if she was a bitch |
| 10:25.40 | jethro | xtension: run BubBob.py, then open the URL it gives you in a browser, then go to internet servers, pick on, and click. it should spawn a new window, either X11 or java |
| 10:25.41 | liable | bernouli: which should say what you need |
| 10:25.47 | bernouli | liable, which read me? |
| 10:25.47 | jethro | xtension: /j #bub-n-bros |
| 10:25.53 | Guerin | glick: it's incredibly degrading. |
| 10:26.06 | Skrylar | Guerin: I powered up the debian box anyway |
| 10:26.06 | deadcat | glick: summarize the story for me. i didnt read it |
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| 10:26.19 | glick | Guerin, of course it it...thats the point! |
| 10:26.20 | liable | bernouli: err, in the source for it? |
| 10:26.27 | Guerin | fucking children |
| 10:26.27 | glick | deadcat, http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/internet/05/27/yahoo.nudes.ap/index.html |
| 10:26.28 | Skrylar | Guerin: apparently charter just isn't avaiable in TTF unless I want to fork over $20... which is a little obsurd for a single font |
| 10:26.29 | xtension | jethro thanks , i just wondered where the hll the browser came from :) |
| 10:26.30 | Fare | lsusb shows a device with two functions, as should be |
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| 10:26.55 | mikael_ | hello |
| 10:26.55 | jethro | xtension: this part is actually being rewritten |
| 10:27.13 | glick | lol guys showing up to her work expecting sex |
| 10:27.23 | mikael_ | how can i empty my memory ? |
| 10:27.30 | jethro | xtension: /j #bub-n-bros, really. there you'll find people to play with, and hopefuly the developpers as well, in case you face some bugs |
| 10:27.32 | kev009 | debian is the shit for old computers, I like Gentoo for my main desktop though |
| 10:27.38 | glick | god the look on her face musta been precious |
| 10:27.40 | liable | glick: way off topic dude |
| 10:27.58 | liable | kev009: flagelate yourself for that remark :) |
| 10:27.58 | Skrylar | kev009: I have debian running on an old comp... it runs ok (better than win2k lol) |
| 10:27.58 | jethro | !gentoosmite kev009 |
| 10:28.08 | tarzeau | jethro: bubble? |
| 10:28.10 | deadcat | glick: that aint news. thats gossip |
| 10:28.18 | bernouli | liable, yes, it says i should install libpcap0.8-dev, libnet1-dev, python, python2.3-dev, exuberant-ctags, which i installed it, but after make, it tells me dnet.h not found |
| 10:28.24 | nevyn | sigh. |
| 10:28.24 | jethro | tarzeau: I m waking up, let me have my coffee first :) |
| 10:28.30 | nevyn | gentoosmite is evil |
| 10:28.52 | Skrylar | I've had Gentoo run a little faster than older distros and its a little smaller |
| 10:28.52 | Skrylar | but |
| 10:29.00 | glick | deadcat, regardless i think its pretty funny, and if a buddy of mine did that to his ex id be laughing my balls of with him |
| 10:29.02 | Skrylar | yea it still takes 3 weeks to set something up |
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| 10:29.15 | liable | bernouli: well, whinge to the developer |
| 10:29.21 | djlinux | Hi |
| 10:29.28 | mikael_ | does anybody know how to force the system to empty its memory i have Mem: 513800k total, 436564k used, 77236k free, 7436k buffers |
| 10:29.28 | Guerin | if an ex of yous did that to you, I'd be laughing. |
| 10:29.29 | kev009 | I have 3 SMP systems in the house.. so compiling is a non issue |
| 10:29.31 | deadcat | glick: tell him to do it then (= |
| 10:29.32 | Guerin | glick: ^^ |
| 10:29.34 | Skrylar | but you get to use a non-weakened version of MPlayer =D |
| 10:29.39 | MobyTurbo | gentoo is a big time waster, almost as bad as IRC. ;-) |
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| 10:29.53 | jethro | !find dnet.h |
| 10:30.03 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'dnet.h' returned no results. |
| 10:30.03 | deadcat | kev009: if i have a super fast computer. it would mean i can apt-get even faster. not compile (= |
| 10:30.05 | djlinux | I'm finding polisch chanel subject linux'a |
| 10:30.11 | Guerin | !pl |
| 10:30.11 | dpkg | it has been said that pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 10:30.16 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:30.19 | Guerin | !.pl |
| 10:30.19 | dpkg | .pl is, like, Poland (or a perl extension) |
| 10:30.26 | Guerin | give over |
| 10:30.31 | MobyTurbo | !polish |
| 10:30.31 | dpkg | polish is probably spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
| 10:30.36 | bernouli | liable, i find something, it says the default debian libdnet doesnet include dnet.h, we should install it manually from libdnet.sf.net |
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| 10:30.53 | Guerin | !pl is also polska -> #debian.pl |
| 10:30.53 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 10:30.53 | glick | !polishjoke |
| 10:30.58 | Guerin | !.pl is also polska -> #debian.pl |
| 10:30.58 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 10:31.01 | liable | bernouli: yah, was just thinking maybe compile it |
| 10:31.03 | djlinux | ok Guerin thanks |
| 10:31.04 | glick | damn that woulda been funny |
| 10:31.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi guys, where can i get the DivX codecs? |
| 10:31.19 | djlinux | niestety pusto :( |
| 10:31.24 | Skrylar | do they ever have to take dpkg down when he eats all the system memory |
| 10:31.24 | glick | you gotta implement the !polishjoke feature |
| 10:31.24 | jethro | !divx |
| 10:31.24 | *** part/#debian Zapek (~zapek@xexex.zapek.com) |
| 10:31.24 | dpkg | methinks divx is de-encoded with xmps under linux, or http://divx.ctw.cc, or a new video compression system that takes up 15% of the space of some other video compression algorithm :o), or xine will work too with divxc32.dll, or http://thot.banki.hu/mp-ftp/releases/w32codec.zip Please use XviD instead (not OpenDivX nor DivX4) |
| 10:31.40 | Guerin | Skrylar: nope. |
| 10:31.43 | Guerin | !status |
| 10:31.43 | dpkg | Since Fri May 27 18:06:38 2005, there have been 49 modifications, 934 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 228 commands. I have been awake for 1d 16h 25m 6s this session, and currently reference 25573 factoids. I'm using about 15592 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 374.15/17.35 child 186.53/11.69 |
| 10:31.48 | djlinux | chanel #debian.pl empty :( |
| 10:31.51 | Guerin | 15MB ain't that bad |
| 10:32.01 | Skrylar | he's been up for an entire day |
| 10:32.02 | Skrylar | epic |
| 10:32.06 | Guerin | no way |
| 10:32.14 | Guerin | he stays up for months at a time |
| 10:32.19 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: marillat too |
| 10:32.42 | glick | when you gonna implemetn the !polishjoke feature? |
| 10:32.42 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: win32codecs |
| 10:32.54 | liable | w32codecs even |
| 10:32.54 | Guerin | glick: when sid gets released as stable |
| 10:32.55 | Skrylar | dpkg would be my best friend if it could tell me how to convert this afm font to a ttf font |
| 10:32.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | lliable i have them |
| 10:32.59 | glick | nice! |
| 10:33.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | :S |
| 10:33.21 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: works here |
| 10:33.29 | bbrazil | Guerin: he's had problems over the past few days, kept leaving and rejoining |
| 10:33.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeh, and in Ubuntu, but not in my debian |
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| 10:33.54 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: which used to mean "when hell freezes over" and now means "in a week or two" |
| 10:34.05 | xtension | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.09 | djlinux | I;m using EduCd ,not debian EduCd extra! |
| 10:34.11 | xtension | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.11 | Guerin | bbrazil: yeah, those were the result of someone finding a crash exploit and using it repeatedly |
| 10:34.21 | djlinux | polish clon debian |
| 10:34.22 | bbrazil | MobyTurbo: eh, sid will never be stable |
| 10:34.22 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: oops, thought you said Sarge |
| 10:34.23 | djlinux | EduCd |
| 10:34.24 | jethro | xtension: without the leading space |
| 10:34.31 | bbrazil | Guerin: nasty |
| 10:34.37 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: nope, still means 'sometime around the heat-death of the universe' |
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| 10:34.43 | Guerin | bbrazil: yeah. |
| 10:34.56 | MobyTurbo | bbrazil: oops |
| 10:35.01 | glick | im ginna need a shit load of coffee today to not crash |
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| 10:35.40 | glick | is there anything i can take to make sleepiness go away for 15 hours or so? |
| 10:35.44 | bbrazil | Guerin: this is a channel where the blootbot actually is useful (most of the time) |
| 10:35.47 | Skrylar | glick: sleep? |
| 10:35.49 | jethro | glick: cocaine |
| 10:35.52 | bbrazil | glick: caffine |
| 10:35.55 | liable | glick: amphetamines |
| 10:35.59 | Guerin | !Skrylar++ |
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| 10:36.06 | glick | something that wont kill me |
| 10:36.08 | Guerin | hell, take them all |
| 10:36.10 | glick | cafeene |
| 10:36.11 | glick | ok |
| 10:36.13 | Skrylar | what does skrylar++ do |
| 10:36.19 | Guerin | !karma Skrylar |
| 10:36.19 | dpkg | skrylar has karma of 1 |
| 10:36.20 | bbrazil | alters karma |
| 10:36.20 | jethro | Skrylar: increase your karma |
| 10:36.24 | Skrylar | ah |
| 10:36.27 | Skrylar | cool I guess |
| 10:36.29 | bbrazil | its not used a lot |
| 10:36.34 | kev009 | kev009++ |
| 10:36.40 | jethro | kev009: you can't do that |
| 10:36.41 | kev009 | !karma kev009 |
| 10:36.41 | dpkg | kev009 has neutral karma |
| 10:36.44 | Skrylar | !karma Skrylar |
| 10:36.44 | dpkg | skrylar has karma of 1 |
| 10:36.44 | Guerin | !lose kev009 |
| 10:36.45 | dpkg | kev009: You Lose. |
| 10:36.46 | bbrazil | and you can't alter your own, and you needa ! |
| 10:36.55 | liable | hehe |
| 10:37.00 | Skrylar | cool it kept my karma after I nickserv'ed |
| 10:37.08 | Skrylar | scary |
| 10:37.08 | Guerin | karma'ing yourself just proves that you're a worthless nomates twat |
| 10:37.19 | Skrylar | some ass could log in as me and trash it :'( |
| 10:37.22 | bbrazil | Skrylar: thats irrilavent, dpkg works on nicks |
| 10:37.26 | tarzeau | jethro: that's fine... |
| 10:37.27 | Guerin | no |
| 10:37.37 | kev009 | !Guerin-- |
| 10:37.39 | Guerin | you can assign karma to anything, doesn't have to be a nick |
| 10:37.45 | Guerin | kev009: fuck off, you twat |
| 10:37.47 | Skrylar | !dpkg++ |
| 10:37.56 | kev009 | !lose Guerin |
| 10:37.57 | dpkg | Guerin: You Lose. |
| 10:38.02 | bbrazil | sorry, 'arbritrary strings' |
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| 10:38.03 | raz0 | !karma greycat |
| 10:38.03 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 10:38.06 | MobyTurbo | !Guerin++ |
| 10:38.09 | *** part/#debian xtension (~ruser@c3eea4282.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 10:38.10 | Guerin | ok, stop fucking with the bots, y'all |
| 10:38.15 | Skrylar | !karma dpkg |
| 10:38.15 | dpkg | dpkg has karma of 4 |
| 10:38.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 10:38.16 | tarzeau | !karma tarzeau |
| 10:38.16 | dpkg | tarzeau has karma of 7 |
| 10:38.16 | Fare | gah! it was a hardware problem. I had to hit a reset button on the mouse simultaneously with the connect button on the receiver |
| 10:38.18 | The_Universe | !karma The_Universe |
| 10:38.18 | dpkg | the_universe has neutral karma |
| 10:38.21 | liable | !botabuse |
| 10:38.21 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 10:38.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 10:38.31 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 10:38.31 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 10:38.35 | bbrazil | !stupid bot tricks |
| 10:38.35 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. /join #debian-bots and play there |
| 10:38.37 | Skrylar | hey its 5:40am and everybodys half asleep and bored |
| 10:38.39 | Skrylar | what do you want us to do |
| 10:38.41 | *** join/#debian DrZoot (~drzoot@60-240-152-13.tpgi.com.au) |
| 10:38.46 | Guerin | so go have a wank or something |
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| 10:38.51 | Guerin | stop being arseholes |
| 10:38.53 | jethro | Skrylar: sleep to? :) |
| 10:39.01 | jethro | s/to/too/ |
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| 10:39.22 | Skrylar | so whats the count on how many debian knockoffs so far |
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| 10:39.33 | Guerin | lots |
| 10:39.47 | Skrylar | we got Ubuntu (direct knockoff) and Knoppix (sort of a knockoff) |
| 10:39.47 | DrZoot | hey anyone had any experience cross compiling a kernel? on an athlon xp for a pentium mmx |
| 10:39.50 | The_Universe | is anyone here a debian develoer |
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| 10:40.02 | tarzeau | Skrylar: about 60 |
| 10:40.08 | Skrylar | that should be programmed in to dpkg |
| 10:40.10 | tarzeau | Skrylar: there's also http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 10:40.13 | Maulkin | The_Universe: yes |
| 10:40.16 | Guerin | Skrylar: why? Who cares? |
| 10:40.18 | Skrylar | !knockoffs |
| 10:40.19 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 10:40.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:40.24 | tarzeau | The_Universe: wrong question |
| 10:40.41 | Fare | oh, which livecd do you recommend? ubuntu? knoppix? |
| 10:40.43 | tarzeau | DrZoot: shouldn't be a problem at all (that's not really cross compiling) |
| 10:40.45 | The_Universe | Maulkin, what do you do for the debian projecT? |
| 10:40.49 | tarzeau | Fare: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 10:40.52 | jethro | simonrvn: hi |
| 10:40.56 | simonrvn | hey |
| 10:40.56 | The_Universe | tarzeau, why? |
| 10:41.07 | Fare | tarzeau: I don't use gnustep. I use ratpoison |
| 10:41.08 | tarzeau | The_Universe: because GNUSTEP SI TEH BESTEST!!1!ONE |
| 10:41.08 | Guerin | Fare: i only ever use it for a rescuecd, so it doesn't matter a bit to me |
| 10:41.11 | Fare | die, die, rodent! |
| 10:41.14 | Maulkin | The_Universe: I maintin packages. There's lots of developers here. |
| 10:41.16 | quitte | tarzeau hi. i've got troble with links2. i compiled it for sh3 but links2 -g doesn't take any keyboard input. so all i can do is ssh in |
| 10:41.21 | Fare | (but when it dies, I'm not happy :( ) |
| 10:41.24 | tarzeau | Fare: GNUstep is not a window manager, you can keep using ratpoison |
| 10:41.37 | tarzeau | quitte: interesting .. on x? |
| 10:41.38 | The_Universe | im tryin to create a decent mp3 sorter |
| 10:41.46 | quitte | tarzeau: no fbdev |
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| 10:41.54 | DrZoot | ive read just about every piece of documentation on it that i can find and im fairly sure i could compile a kernel for a sparc arch but i cant figure out how to make a kernel compile for an mmx |
| 10:41.55 | quitte | tarzeau: i have no xserver so far |
| 10:41.56 | Maulkin | The_Universe: Try #debian-mentors |
| 10:41.56 | The_Universe | in python, its startin to come together but i havent been able to work on it in a while |
| 10:41.57 | tarzeau | quitte: i don't know |
| 10:41.59 | Guerin | The_Universe: how about "grep" |
| 10:42.04 | Guerin | that works pretty well for me |
| 10:42.08 | quitte | tarzeau: directfb most likely? |
| 10:42.15 | Skrylar | whats the tex channel? (dont hit me) |
| 10:42.16 | Guerin | if I want to get REALLY funky, I use 'awk' |
| 10:42.17 | tarzeau | quitte: i don'0t use these two. only svgalib and x |
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| 10:42.24 | Guerin | Skrylar: #tex? |
| 10:42.24 | The_Universe | Guerin, no a program that will look at a mix of mp3 files and put them into logical folders |
| 10:42.24 | Skrylar | can't find the TeX channel to bug them about afm fonts |
| 10:42.26 | tarzeau | Skrylar: #tex ? |
| 10:42.33 | Skrylar | doesn't exist |
| 10:42.36 | quitte | tarzeau: so fbdev is untested? |
| 10:42.38 | tarzeau | Skrylar: create it |
| 10:42.43 | Skrylar | I don't want it |
| 10:42.43 | Skrylar | lol |
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| 10:42.46 | tarzeau | Skrylar: #latex might be of help |
| 10:42.51 | Guerin | hrm, there is a tex channel - I've been there. |
| 10:42.56 | Guerin | oh, #latex |
| 10:42.58 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:43.03 | tarzeau | quitte: well it is, on i386 by me. but i don't use it at all |
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| 10:43.12 | tarzeau | quitte: it's known to give problems on mac powerpc |
| 10:43.13 | Skrylar | I'm afraid.. especially after #debian turned in to the bdsm chat room the other day |
| 10:43.29 | tarzeau | Skrylar: what day was that? |
| 10:43.32 | quitte | tarzeau: ok. so i guess it is directfb. what kind of problems? |
| 10:43.35 | Guerin | oh, that sort of thing never happens |
| 10:43.46 | Skrylar | tarzeau: about three days ago |
| 10:43.47 | The_Universe | nibble me byte me unsigned int me |
| 10:43.49 | jethro | what is bdsm? |
| 10:43.56 | tarzeau | !bdsm |
| 10:43.56 | dpkg | i heard bdsm is Bondage Domination Sadism and Masochism or Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism or http://www.leathernroses.com |
| 10:44.04 | jethro | ah |
| 10:44.14 | liable | ooh, fuck, I missed that :( |
| 10:44.22 | tarzeau | !asstr |
| 10:44.22 | dpkg | hmm... asstr is a slow ass motherfucking sex story archive which can be found at http://www.asstr.org |
| 10:44.35 | JohnnyST | Hello it seems that I have this bug as well: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308836 |
| 10:44.40 | Guerin | slow ass motherfucking |
| 10:44.42 | Guerin | classy |
| 10:44.45 | tarzeau | can we play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net now? |
| 10:44.51 | jethro | YES |
| 10:44.55 | tarzeau | Guerin: we should make that motherhugging |
| 10:45.05 | Guerin | tarzeau: that wouldn't be accurate |
| 10:45.08 | The_Universe | why dont abusive guys marry masochist women |
| 10:45.13 | JohnnyST | I have two sarge i1386 machines with rsync dose someone else have problems with rsync? |
| 10:45.16 | *** join/#debian Logi (logir@klaki.net) |
| 10:45.17 | The_Universe | they both get the best of both worlds then |
| 10:45.18 | Skrylar | tarzeau: why.. enough mouthed people join #debian |
| 10:45.21 | Guerin | The_Universe: your answer is in your question. |
| 10:45.22 | john | !y |
| 10:45.22 | dpkg | i guess y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
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| 10:45.46 | Logi | Sound to me like he should know what he's talking about: "< The_Universe> they both get the best of both worlds then" |
| 10:45.55 | Skrylar | The_Universe: I think you would implode if that happened |
| 10:46.04 | Guerin | it's not abuse if it's enjoyed |
| 10:46.06 | Skrylar | The_Universe: I would say the universe would implode but you are the_universe |
| 10:46.09 | Guerin | simple as that |
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| 10:46.27 | Skrylar | I guess I better !enter myself |
| 10:46.34 | The_Universe | Guerin, but the guy is an abusive guy |
| 10:46.44 | Skrylar | !tell skrylar about enter |
| 10:46.44 | Guerin | The_Universe: you're making my point. |
| 10:46.46 | The_Universe | my dinner aint ready bitch! slap! pow! |
| 10:47.00 | The_Universe | girl: laughing, "yess hit me harder!" |
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| 10:47.20 | Guerin | this is not the channel for your fucked-up fantasies. |
| 10:47.31 | The_Universe | Guerin, no matter how mad he gets, hes only doing his gf/wife a favor the harder he hits her |
| 10:47.33 | Guerin | i suggest you stop before an op comes in and abuses YOU |
| 10:47.47 | The_Universe | i guess the biggest abuse then would be to not be abusive to her |
| 10:47.47 | Guerin | The_Universe: yes, you've made my point, again. |
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| 10:47.56 | The_Universe | then hed be punishing her |
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| 10:48.24 | The_Universe | what! my dinner aint ready bitch?! then he hugs her |
| 10:48.56 | MobyTurbo | The_Universe: get a life |
| 10:48.57 | liran_ | there's no result for 'which mysql' or 'which php |
| 10:48.59 | Skrylar | The_Universe: It's a good thing liable isn't paying attention |
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| 10:49.06 | liran_ | does this means i actually dont have either of these installed? |
| 10:49.16 | The_Universe | hey if no one ponders these unponderables who will? |
| 10:49.16 | bbrazil | liran_: probably |
| 10:49.18 | Skrylar | liran_: Just means that it isn't in your path |
| 10:49.33 | Logi | are you guys having the "what to do to punish a masochist" argument that I remember from when I was 13? |
| 10:49.39 | bbrazil | liran_: note however the 'mysql' is the client |
| 10:49.47 | Guerin | Logi: fucking ridiculous, innit. |
| 10:49.48 | liran_ | i thought maybe i had the name wrong |
| 10:49.49 | Skrylar | The_Universe: I was thinking more about him freaking out of you saying bitch |
| 10:49.52 | Logi | Guerin: quite |
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| 10:50.05 | bbrazil | liran_: dpkg -l 'php*' |
| 10:50.15 | liran_ | well aptitude install mysql doest have any results either, ill try searching it cause its probably called otherwise |
| 10:50.27 | The_Universe | Skrylar, bitch ain a bad word |
| 10:50.32 | The_Universe | it means a girl dog |
| 10:50.37 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 10:50.40 | Skrylar | Swears don't make any since either |
| 10:50.49 | Guerin | !ops send The_Universe where he belongs |
| 10:50.49 | Skrylar | it's like people using the world f*ck |
| 10:50.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: send The_Universe where he belongs |
| 10:50.58 | liran_ | bbrazil, im getting alot of results with initials 'un' and 'pn' |
| 10:51.08 | bob2 | The_Universe: please stop it |
| 10:51.16 | liran_ | im assuming i dont have these installed...? |
| 10:51.17 | Skrylar | The_Universe: are americans really so bad that the biggest threat is "Sex you!!" |
| 10:51.21 | bbrazil | liran_: -cli and -cgi are probably what you wany. see also mysql-{client,server} |
| 10:51.49 | RichiH | erm |
| 10:51.50 | RichiH | bob2 |
| 10:51.53 | Logi | The_Universe: dude, you're just being an idiot. |
| 10:52.04 | liran_ | bbrazil, im seeing the -cgi though no -cli |
| 10:52.07 | Skrylar | Logi: what'd he do |
| 10:52.10 | bbrazil | liran_: woody? |
| 10:52.18 | The_Universe | Logi, Skrylar just said "Sex you!" n yu callin me an idiot? |
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| 10:52.29 | liran_ | bbrazil, yeah but i'm long gone after a woody->sarge |
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| 10:52.41 | bbrazil | liran_: ah, php4-cli |
| 10:52.43 | Guerin | he never had an ounce of sympathy for anyone who was actually, really, in an abusive relationship. |
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| 10:52.52 | liran_ | for php i only have -cgi results and for mysql i do have a -cli |
| 10:53.02 | Skrylar | I now declare a new channel: #debian-wtf |
| 10:53.04 | gushi | morning all. Has anyone here encountered any odd errors with ext3 forcing a filesystem to read-only? |
| 10:53.12 | Guerin | Skrylar: sorry, you're already here |
| 10:53.14 | gushi | when an fsck otherwise seems fine? |
| 10:53.18 | Skrylar | Guerin: lol |
| 10:53.18 | bob2 | The_Universe: yes, please stop it |
| 10:53.29 | Guerin | gushi: / does that on errors, by default. |
| 10:53.49 | gushi | well yes but the only error is "journal aborted" |
| 10:54.12 | Guerin | gushi: the one time I've had this on an otherwise fine filesystem is when I was using UDMA with a 40-wire ide cable |
| 10:54.20 | bbrazil | Skrylar: its sunday, enjoy |
| 10:54.23 | gushi | I think I'm 80 pin. |
| 10:54.24 | Logi | is there a way for me to force a complete read-only fs check with reiserfs |
| 10:54.26 | Guerin | if that's you, get an 80-wire cable and you should be golden |
| 10:54.30 | Logi | I just can't seem to get it to go |
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| 10:54.45 | gushi | My bios doesn't allow me to force pio...is there a way to do it with boot options? |
| 10:54.46 | Guerin | sunday's barely even started |
| 10:54.56 | MobyTurbo | !ricerfs |
| 10:54.56 | dpkg | i guess ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 10:54.56 | Guerin | gushi: you can do it with hdparm |
| 10:55.24 | The_Universe | i wrote a pretty cool C-parser in kturtle |
| 10:55.31 | liran_ | there's no mysql-server in dpkg -l 'mysql*' |
| 10:55.32 | kev009 | what should I take into account when going from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6 on debian sarge? |
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| 10:55.42 | liran_ | only client, base, common, dev |
| 10:55.50 | The_Universe | is kturtle compatible with logo code? |
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| 10:55.55 | Skrylar | The_Universe: if you're going to use an obscure language at least use D... :D |
| 10:56.10 | Guerin | kev009: 'hid' has changed to 'usbhid' or vice-versa |
| 10:56.20 | Guerin | kev009: and you shouldn't use ide-scsi any more |
| 10:56.37 | kev009 | Guerin: USB is not on machine, non-IDE as well, no sound |
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| 10:56.53 | Guerin | sould be no real module difference, then. |
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| 10:57.01 | Logi | I had hardware problems and, somehow, I'd removed the reiserfsprogs package and no checks were being made |
| 10:57.04 | kev009 | Guerin: ok |
| 10:57.45 | Logi | now I've got interesting messages like "vs-5150: search_by_key: invalid format found in block 2242831. Fsck" and the machine crashes (or crashed, haven't tried since I wiggled the HD cables) when I launhced X |
| 10:58.05 | Logi | and reiserfschk takes about a millisecond to run which probably isn't much of a check |
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| 10:58.22 | competenCe | can anyone help me with this error when im compiling, http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=6218 |
| 10:58.41 | juanmals | Can someone tell where to buy debian t-shirts or debian stuff? |
| 10:58.47 | liable | competenCe: which is it, debian or ubuntu? |
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| 11:00.32 | paulswm | juanmals: http://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise |
| 11:01.03 | juanmals | thanks paulswm |
| 11:01.13 | paulswm | juanmals: yw |
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| 11:02.42 | Skrylar | it got quiet all the sudden |
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| 11:03.12 | Logi | does that mean everyone is thinking about my question? |
| 11:03.39 | Skrylar | Logi: I have no idea how to answer your question |
| 11:03.46 | Logi | yeah, me too |
| 11:03.48 | Skrylar | Logi: I don't trust JFS or Reiserfs |
| 11:04.04 | Logi | how would you do this on ext3? |
| 11:04.14 | paulswm | I trust only ext2/3 |
| 11:04.16 | Logi | when I formated this disk there was no ext3 |
| 11:04.17 | Skrylar | JFS blows up and kills your files if you reboot more than twice nonsafely |
| 11:04.24 | Skrylar | Reiser has been a little better to me |
| 11:04.30 | Skrylar | but EXT3 has never let me down |
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| 11:04.36 | Skrylar | no errors, no nothing |
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| 11:04.43 | DrZoot | hey i know i asked this a second ago but does anyone know how to make a kernel compile for a pentium mmx on an athlon xp |
| 11:04.44 | Fare | the big download is begun... |
| 11:04.50 | paulswm | !qotd7 |
| 11:04.50 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd7 is <nvz> think about it ffs <tak_2> ffs? <nvz> !ffs <dpkg> rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or [...] <tak_2> I need to download fast file system? |
| 11:04.56 | Skrylar | Logi: try formatting ext3 if at all possible, and ext2 if yo ucant |
| 11:05.00 | Fare | I can go to sleep, and wake up to answer one zillion debconf questions |
| 11:05.10 | Fare | try reiserfs if you can |
| 11:05.11 | Skrylar | Logi: er in the future |
| 11:05.22 | Logi | Skrylar: yeah, I do ext3 these days |
| 11:05.25 | liran_ | i hate it how debian automatically starts daemons it installs. how do i shutdown mysqld? :-) |
| 11:05.29 | Logi | this is my T20 from 1999 |
| 11:05.33 | nemozny | im using reiser4 for a year with no problem and its faster than everything |
| 11:05.36 | Skrylar | ext3 and ext2 are interchangeable (which is... just... wonderful!!) |
| 11:05.45 | Logi | liran_: /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 11:05.46 | paulswm | DrZoot: Set the CPU type in the kernel config |
| 11:05.51 | Logi | liran_: like everything else (I expect) |
| 11:06.00 | liran_ | yep, working thanks |
| 11:06.02 | DrZoot | paulswm: yeah i did that but its a no go |
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| 11:06.21 | Logi | Skrylar: sure, but suppose you knew about a fs problem on an ext2 partition and wanted to run a complete check. What'd you do? |
| 11:06.28 | paulswm | DrZoot: What do you mean? |
| 11:06.36 | Skrylar | Logi: fsck.ext2 |
| 11:06.40 | paulswm | Logi: fsck |
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| 11:06.53 | paulswm | What Skrylar said |
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| 11:07.03 | Skrylar | fsck.reiserfs for Reiser |
| 11:07.04 | DrZoot | paulswm: the kernel builds and when i put it on the pentium machine it loads upto unpacking the kernel when it stops ... and does nothing |
| 11:07.27 | Skrylar | but this is from gentoo; haven't had to run a check on a debian system (I've only used debian for about five days; like it so far) |
| 11:07.35 | Logi | just did that on my /boot and it seemed to actually perform a check. It pisses me off that Reiser is so sure of himself that he doesn't let you force a check |
| 11:07.48 | Skrylar | Logi: Hans Reiser is an ass |
| 11:07.51 | DrZoot | paulswm: im fairly sure its got to do with gcc automatically picking up my native arch from uname and using that but i cant figure out how to override it |
| 11:07.57 | Logi | I like to hear the HD churn when I run fschk |
| 11:08.08 | Logi | fsck, whatever |
| 11:08.10 | paulswm | DrZoot: try compiling froma debian 386 kernel and config without changing anything, if that works then the problem is in your kernel config, that's the way I'd approach it |
| 11:08.34 | DrZoot | paulswm: k ill give that a show |
| 11:08.37 | DrZoot | shot |
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| 11:09.00 | Logi | ok, I'll back up my data and just nuke this system tomorrow at the office |
| 11:09.33 | paulswm | DrZoot: Of course, pick a kernel whose debian image works on the mmx :) and use the config from that :) |
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| 11:09.53 | lainard | someone can help how to make a dhcp server? |
| 11:09.55 | Logi | it's just that I've been customizing it for at least 4 years now (had a sever problem running unstable around 2001) and I'd hate to have to start from scratch |
| 11:09.59 | Skrylar | crap; I wonder how well this font is going to be; I converted a pfb of bitstream charter to a ttf.... I donno if it will work with the normal ttf :S |
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| 11:12.25 | Logi | ahh... the gf is cooking and it smells good |
| 11:12.43 | Logi | I asked if she wanted me to help or get out of the way and it was a resounding "get out of the way" |
| 11:12.50 | Logi | I love Italian girls |
| 11:13.16 | Skrylar | mmm italian food |
| 11:13.41 | Skrylar | abiword is taunting me.. it runs way better than OOWriter on this 300mhz.. it just doesn't do half the stuff >| |
| 11:13.53 | Logi | Skrylar: surprise! |
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| 11:14.49 | Skrylar | Anyone else ever thing using an SVG for interfaces is an interesting idea? Like using the SVG for layouts |
| 11:15.48 | Logi | Skrylar: I've done that. It worked nicely. |
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| 11:15.57 | Skrylar | Darn so it isn't an original idea |
| 11:16.31 | Logi | Skrylar: java app, we had an SVG for displaying the layout of the chamber of the Icelandic parliament with embedded meta information so if you selected one the app would know what to do |
| 11:16.38 | Logi | Skrylar: but that was not for the entire menu structure |
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| 11:16.52 | Skrylar | was it the interface graphic or did it position your buttons |
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| 11:17.35 | Logi | it was the main panel of the overview screen, but then the menues and other things were non-SVG. So you are suggesting taking it much further |
| 11:17.52 | Skrylar | The idea I had was for rapid prototyping/form editing |
| 11:18.11 | Skrylar | but then again my favorite language ( D ) doesn't have any good IDEs yet |
| 11:18.18 | Logi | right |
| 11:18.24 | Skrylar | so you would basically use Inkscape to blot out your buttons and widgets |
| 11:18.41 | Skrylar | then my UI library would create proper widgets based on the shapes in the SVG file |
| 11:18.41 | gushi | Okay, I've tried a cable swap....let's see if it helps at all. |
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| 11:20.04 | giupy | ehm, anyone from german? i have a german keyb and i can't find "ins" key... :) where is it ? |
| 11:20.20 | RichiH | giupy: einfuegen |
| 11:20.35 | RichiH | giupy: also know as efg and einfg |
| 11:20.50 | giupy | Richie086, k thanks but it seems there isn't :) |
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| 11:21.16 | RichiH | giupy: well, if it's non-standard i can't say anything about it |
| 11:21.24 | RichiH | but you should find it right next to entf |
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| 11:22.24 | Skrylar | I can't believe scp isn't installed on this desktop... putty time |
| 11:22.26 | giupy | RichiH, laptop keyboard |
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| 11:23.09 | liable | fuckit, run out of beer, no milk for coffee, shops shut. |
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| 11:23.58 | RichiH | giupy: most likely left of the arrows, at the rightmost or in the top right |
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| 11:24.07 | sandos | Ive been googling and reading manpages, but Im still not sure how to add parameters to the modules loaded in /etc/modules ? |
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| 11:24.53 | giupy | is it possible that there isn't ins key on a keyboard? |
| 11:25.03 | RichiH | giupy: unlikely |
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| 11:25.21 | giupy | i have entfernen, pausa druck ecc... but nothing ins |
| 11:25.41 | bowman | giupy: einfg ;) |
| 11:25.46 | seldon | sandos: You have to set the options in a file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 11:25.49 | Skrylar | giupy: Do you have a function key on your keyboard? |
| 11:25.52 | RichiH | giupy: entfernen is delete, so i am pretty sure it's there |
| 11:26.04 | bernouli | giupy, maybe you might find "Einfg" |
| 11:26.16 | RichiH | Skrylar: that would be a seriously fucked up keyboard ;) |
| 11:26.37 | giupy | yeah einfg |
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| 11:26.41 | giupy | is it ? |
| 11:26.47 | Skrylar | RichiH: Laptop keyboards have Fn keys in them for the numberpad keys and volume, etc. Some of the compact keyboards for PCs have them too. |
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| 11:26.55 | RichiH | 13:17:25 < RichiH> giupy: also know as efg and einfg |
| 11:26.57 | RichiH | .. ;) |
| 11:27.02 | giupy | oops |
| 11:27.05 | giupy | sorry |
| 11:27.06 | giupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.08 | IronRoses | i have the debian sarge snapshot installed right now, are the sarge images on the debian site snapshots? |
| 11:27.19 | giupy | well i have it |
| 11:27.22 | bernouli | where are all linux header located? in /usr/local/include ? |
| 11:27.25 | giupy | so i can select files in mc :)) |
| 11:27.36 | RichiH | bernouli: most likely, oyu need to install them, first |
| 11:27.36 | Skrylar | bernouli: /usr/local/Linux usually I think |
| 11:27.53 | Skrylar | (err gaim auto capitalized Linux for me) |
| 11:28.17 | bernouli | there is no /usr/local/linux |
| 11:28.22 | Skrylar | hm |
| 11:28.29 | Skrylar | [seriously doesn't know with debian] |
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| 11:28.49 | sandos | seldon: hmm ok. thanks |
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| 11:29.29 | phanter | he, i do not have any experience with CGI. I want to help in the THINK project (finding a good drug), but when doing ./fadsetup it returns: [CGIREG] (10523) cgi reply not valid |
| 11:29.33 | liable | bernouli: for what? |
| 11:29.34 | phanter | what can I do about this |
| 11:30.14 | bernouli | liable, i am just thinking if it can find the dnet.h i just installed |
| 11:30.35 | liable | bernouli: did you compile it in the end? |
| 11:31.01 | bernouli | it gives me now another error, undefined reference to rroute_open, route_get, route_close |
| 11:31.16 | bernouli | yes, i can compile it and install it without error |
| 11:32.07 | liable | bernouli: error or warning? |
| 11:32.24 | IronRoses | compiling, I forgotton how i do that, ain't compiled anything, except a kernel in bloody ages |
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| 11:33.14 | bernouli | firstly it shows me undefined reference to ..., than collect2: ld returned 1 xit status |
| 11:33.47 | bernouli | after configure, make, make install libdnet, should i do anything else? |
| 11:35.54 | liable | bernouli: dunno, sorry, hard to tell. |
| 11:35.58 | IronRoses | burning... |
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| 11:36.28 | IronRoses | i'm burning a 100mb iso on to a dvd here, all because i ahve no more sodding cd-r's left to copy on to...grrrr :( |
| 11:37.15 | liable | IronRoses: expensive :( |
| 11:37.20 | IronRoses | no |
| 11:37.28 | IronRoses | I buy mine from cd-rmedia.co.uk |
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| 11:37.35 | IronRoses | there dirt cheap there |
| 11:37.37 | bernouli | which header consist the function route_open? |
| 11:37.45 | IronRoses | I xan buy 100 cd-rs for £10 |
| 11:38.03 | liable | dvd-r's? |
| 11:38.07 | xtension | IronRoses how many euri s ? |
| 11:38.10 | IronRoses | and i can buy 50DVD-R's for £15 |
| 11:38.22 | IronRoses | don't know mate |
| 11:38.35 | IronRoses | but ithnk their aimed at shops and retail outlets |
| 11:38.40 | IronRoses | their so damn cheap |
| 11:38.49 | liable | bedtime, nite debianites |
| 11:38.55 | IronRoses | night |
| 11:39.09 | IronRoses | 12:40 here in uk |
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| 11:40.10 | IronRoses | if your gonna buy dvd's go for the TDK one(purple) there excellent quality |
| 11:40.17 | xtension | damn why dont they just give it away ? |
| 11:40.19 | Guerin | !there |
| 11:40.19 | dpkg | Learn to use there properly. "Look, it's over there!", not "So english is there first language?" or "There going to release it soon." |
| 11:40.29 | Guerin | !your |
| 11:40.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 11:40.33 | IronRoses | omg |
| 11:40.34 | IronRoses | lol |
| 11:40.35 | bernouli | ok, i think i know the problem |
| 11:40.36 | IronRoses | sorry |
| 11:40.45 | Guerin | you're a discarace to the language they invented over there in england |
| 11:40.53 | bernouli | dnet is installed under /usr/local/include |
| 11:40.54 | Guerin | and a disgrace, too |
| 11:40.54 | IronRoses | look, over there........their so cool |
| 11:41.02 | Guerin | they're |
| 11:41.04 | Guerin | grrr |
| 11:41.04 | bernouli | since debian search the header in /usr/include right? |
| 11:41.14 | IronRoses | seee, i am english, therwfore i speak my native orignal, language |
| 11:41.14 | revdiablo | look over thay're |
| 11:41.24 | xtension | ther |
| 11:41.31 | IronRoses | lol |
| 11:41.32 | revdiablo | thair my freinds |
| 11:41.32 | zirikili | is gnome 2.10 already availabe on debian? |
| 11:41.33 | Guerin | IronRoses: you might think that's true. |
| 11:41.34 | IronRoses | what? |
| 11:41.41 | Guerin | zirikili: 0 |
| 11:41.44 | xtension | look,over ther.......ther so cool |
| 11:41.51 | xtension | its simplified |
| 11:41.54 | IronRoses | well, americas native language is spanish ain't it? |
| 11:41.59 | Guerin | no |
| 11:41.59 | xtension | eheh |
| 11:42.08 | xtension | african they speak there |
| 11:42.23 | zirikili | Guerin: ok |
| 11:42.23 | jez | does anybody know if i'll break anything by using azureus' built-in updater to update it rather than waiting until an updated debian package is released? |
| 11:42.34 | IronRoses | no |
| 11:42.36 | m4lu6 | {sigh} ATI, fglrx, kernel lockups... |
| 11:42.53 | IronRoses | if you mean using azure's updating app, then nop, no you won't |
| 11:42.53 | m4lu6 | i have 1 day before my 2-week limit is up, i think this craptop is going back to store. |
| 11:43.06 | m4lu6 | just give me nvidia. pleeeeease |
| 11:43.17 | xtension | as i understand soon unstable is gonna be etch ? |
| 11:43.19 | IronRoses | timem to install debian sarge |
| 11:43.25 | IronRoses | the one after thr snapshot...yaaay |
| 11:43.38 | gushi | is there a kernel option to disable UDMA? |
| 11:43.41 | Guerin | xtension: no. testing will be etch. Unstable will always be sid. |
| 11:43.44 | IronRoses | I'm horny but quiet....c'ya later guys and ladies |
| 11:43.51 | xtension | Guerin better |
| 11:44.08 | gushi | who names these things? |
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| 11:44.21 | xtension | gushi the man himself ? |
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| 11:44.37 | chealer | !release names |
| 11:44.37 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19). The next release will be Sarge. You can call Sarge+1 "Etch". See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
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| 11:47.28 | Skrylar | oh... so there is a naming scheme |
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| 11:49.34 | paulswm | Yes, and the naming scheme is also described on debian.org |
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| 11:50.46 | liable | gah, black coffee |
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| 11:51.12 | toresbe | mmm, black coffee |
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| 11:52.00 | liable | !qotd1 |
| 11:52.00 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
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| 11:52.14 | liable | bah wrong one |
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| 11:55.16 | bernouli | if i have a function in file1.o, how can i use this function at file2.c? |
| 11:55.37 | bernouli | actually i should only include "file1.h" right? |
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| 11:55.45 | paulswm | !qotdsmite liable |
| 11:55.46 | paulswm | :D |
| 11:55.55 | liable | hah |
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| 11:56.45 | liable | ewwww |
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| 11:57.06 | Seto | localhost kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 11:57.07 | Seto | arf |
| 11:57.13 | Seto | what can I Do |
| 11:57.43 | liable | dust your box, or stop compiling gentoo :) |
| 11:57.45 | d00m_ | hello, after logging into my remote debian box with the command "ssh -l <username> -X <hostname> I can't run any X applications. I get the Error: Can't Open display . I also notices that environment variable $DISPLAY is not set. any suggestions? |
| 11:57.50 | Seto | DUST |
| 11:57.51 | Seto | help please |
| 11:58.01 | ethics | marshmellows anyone?? |
| 11:58.18 | liable | Seto: clean the fucker, check the fan |
| 11:58.20 | Seto | help please |
| 11:58.24 | toresbe | Seto: you may have trouble with the fan |
| 11:58.25 | bbrazil | d00m_: xuath installed? woody? xlib installed? |
| 11:58.27 | toresbe | Seto: don't worry |
| 11:58.33 | liable | Seto: dont overclock it |
| 11:58.35 | toresbe | Seto: it'll shut off before it does any damage |
| 11:58.51 | Seto | I work on this computer for a ciber café |
| 11:59.00 | d00m_ | bbrazil: sarge |
| 11:59.14 | Seto | and I install linux on this computer today :: |
| 11:59.16 | paulswm | Seto: so what is the temperature, and what is your CPU? |
| 11:59.22 | Seto | pentium 4 |
| 11:59.23 | bbrazil | d00m_: upgrade from woody? |
| 11:59.38 | yaccobb | I istalled wine-config-sidenet but now text in wine apps menus don't apperar. i tryied to reinstall all wine components but no change. Is there some font package or something ? |
| 11:59.38 | Seto | if the proc burn , I lose my job |
| 11:59.49 | d00m_ | bbrazil: nope |
| 11:59.51 | bbrazil | d00m_: woody disabled X by default in sshd |
| 12:00.10 | d00m_ | bbrazil: this is a testing mostly running latest of everything |
| 12:00.13 | liable | yaccobb: #wine-hq? |
| 12:00.26 | Seto | now how can i stop the bip sound |
| 12:00.31 | bbrazil | d00m_: add a few -v to ssh, see if that tells you whats going wrong |
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| 12:00.42 | Seto | help help |
| 12:00.44 | Seto | please |
| 12:00.45 | yaccobb | liable: i tried that channel, it's empty:( |
| 12:00.45 | d00m_ | bbrazil: I did |
| 12:01.05 | d00m_ | bbrazil: lemme go thru the logs verbose messages again |
| 12:01.05 | bbrazil | d00m_: and? |
| 12:01.07 | zebedee | Hi all. I'm trying to get the Windows Printer Wizard to automatically install the samba postscript drivers. Could anyone who has succeeded tell me which settings I should use? |
| 12:01.24 | Seto | what can I do :: check the fan where in the computer |
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| 12:01.51 | paulswm | Open the case and check that the CPU fan is running, shut down the computer and clean the heatsink, then try again |
| 12:01.58 | Seto | ok |
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| 12:02.12 | d00m_ | bbrazil: i get something like :no auth data, using fake X11 forwarding" |
| 12:02.23 | d00m_ | bbrazil: oops. no xauth data |
| 12:02.47 | liable | !tell spdf about away |
| 12:02.54 | FinnTux | hello |
| 12:03.31 | paulswm | 681 people say hello |
| 12:03.31 | ac3 | Why doesn´t the debian package courier-maildrop have ldap support? |
| 12:03.31 | liable | heh |
| 12:03.31 | ac3 | i want to use it with postfix |
| 12:03.31 | d00m_ | bbrazil: seems like a problem with xauth |
| 12:03.31 | Seto | it smell the fire |
| 12:03.46 | Seto | the fan is running |
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| 12:04.36 | liable | Seto: open it, and clean it ffs, I doubt a net cafe does that very often |
| 12:04.45 | bbrazil | d00m_: my knowledge doesn't extend that far |
| 12:04.55 | liable | Seto: whats top say about it? |
| 12:05.02 | Seto | I have open |
| 12:05.07 | paulswm | That was my next question |
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| 12:05.21 | rixth | Is hardware support available for the "VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)" RAID chip? (Onboard, my chipset is a KT600) |
| 12:05.28 | d00m_ | bbrazil: ok thanks anyways |
| 12:05.29 | Seto | fucking mozilla |
| 12:05.35 | Seto | 99% cpu |
| 12:05.44 | liable | Seto: kill the fucker :) |
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| 12:05.57 | Seto | hmm ! |
| 12:06.42 | FinnTux | anyone knows about debian-installer and root on lvm on software RAID1? |
| 12:06.43 | paulswm | Seto: running a cpu at 100% should not overheat it, though, I have 6 computers running at 100% all the time. You may want to consider getting a better HSF |
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| 12:07.32 | Seto | I haven't this problem running windows many month :: |
| 12:07.57 | paulswm | Athlon Xp 2000+, 100% constantly, 39.1C, 13 degrees above ambinet room temp, for example |
| 12:07.58 | Seto | can it be due to something wrong with my debian linux kernel (about fan speed or something like that |
| 12:08.05 | paulswm | ambient |
| 12:08.18 | liable | Seto: unlikely |
| 12:08.48 | paulswm | Seto: is your CPU fan speed software-controllable? I doubt it. |
| 12:09.11 | bbrazil | Seto: try disabling ACPI - gave me a 20C drop though I suspect my motherboard is faulty |
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| 12:10.11 | Seto | acpi isn't load |
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| 12:10.24 | Seto | paulswm, I don't know |
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| 12:12.10 | paulswm | , Seto: get into BIOS and check the voltages and CPU speed against the manufacturer's recommendations, maybe someone's overclocked it (with an insufficient HSF in place) |
| 12:13.04 | paulswm | Seto: Your BIOS will probably let you reduce the CPU speed which will let it run cooler until you figure out what's wrong |
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| 12:13.36 | paulswm | !qotd38 |
| 12:13.36 | liable | Seto: cat /proc/cpuinfo, is it running flat out? |
| 12:13.36 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd38 is <greg_work> if i want to do nfs stuff, whats the best thing to use? NFS, or is there something better? |
| 12:13.49 | Jacobo221 | i want to have X understand CTRL+ALT as ALTGR. How can I do this? I've been reading lots of docs around and nothing seems to do so |
| 12:13.52 | Seto | I don't think , I have 30 computer exatly the same like this , all run 18hours per day , run games, I have only one to do the printer job, and pay job , I say to my boss we need squid , I go install linux on this :: and now temperature cpu above normal :) |
| 12:14.23 | Seto | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
| 12:14.23 | Seto | stepping : 3 |
| 12:14.23 | Seto | cpu MHz : 2793.794 |
| 12:14.48 | paulswm | Seto: that's because the CPU is running flat out (mozilla), I bet the others never get above 10& for any lenght of time |
| 12:15.15 | liable | Seto: look into cpufreqd |
| 12:15.34 | paulswm | Oh, well if they're running games, they probably do, but not constant 99% |
| 12:16.09 | Seto | when I run doom3 in hight quality I think it's constant at 99% |
| 12:16.26 | robin_sz | I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would be running X, let alone mozilla on a print server |
| 12:16.39 | paulswm | Good point! |
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| 12:17.03 | Seto | robin_sz, when I say pay I would say : openoffice !!! |
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| 12:18.52 | robin_sz | Seto: as a rule, people tend to run their squid/firewall/print server etc on a headless, X-less box in the corner, and run open office on their desktop |
| 12:18.57 | Seto | liable, you say that I must run cpufreqd |
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| 12:19.27 | paulswm | Seto: anyway, it doesn't look like a debian issue, perhaps googling will find other Pentium users with HSF or heating issues |
| 12:19.31 | robin_sz | its only in 'doze where you have a gui (or even a monitor) on your servers |
| 12:19.33 | liable | Seto: it will help, yes |
| 12:19.35 | Seto | robin_sz, you do that when you have many machine ! |
| 12:19.53 | robin_sz | you have 30 + I thought? |
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| 12:24.45 | amorphix | phew |
| 12:25.06 | amorphix | !seen fluffywolf |
| 12:25.06 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'fluffywolf', amorphix |
| 12:25.09 | amorphix | damn |
| 12:25.18 | amorphix | !seen furrywolf |
| 12:25.18 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 3854 messages. Is idling for 7h 21m 55s |
| 12:25.20 | Seto | ok fine now the temp is 40 degré |
| 12:25.45 | amorphix | doh missed my window of opportunity |
| 12:26.40 | amorphix | my neck is getting too fat. i feel like a slug |
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| 12:28.19 | toresbe | !seen toresbe |
| 12:28.19 | dpkg | toresbe is currently on #debian #debian-devel. Has said a total of 7212 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 12:28.26 | sobersabre | which tool shall i use to cut 1 continuous mp3 track into several smaller ones ? |
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| 12:28.32 | toresbe | whohooo, biggest timewaster evar |
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| 12:29.33 | paulswm | !seen me |
| 12:29.33 | dpkg | me <~me@ip503db214.speed.planet.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 50d 8h 19m 19s ago, saying: 'thx for the help'. |
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| 12:29.42 | paulswm | !seen paulswm |
| 12:29.42 | dpkg | paulswm is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 9019 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 12:30.16 | toresbe | wow, impressive |
| 12:30.21 | spdf | !seen me |
| 12:30.21 | dpkg | me <~me@ip503db214.speed.planet.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 50d 8h 20m 7s ago, saying: 'thx for the help'. |
| 12:30.27 | spdf | !seen spdf |
| 12:30.27 | dpkg | spdf is currently on #debian (43m 29s). Has said a total of 1036 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 12:30.31 | toresbe | concidering I've been here for a bit more than a year |
| 12:30.36 | amorphix | !seen amorphix |
| 12:30.36 | dpkg | amorphix is currently on #debian (5m 58s). Has said a total of 4507 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 12:30.59 | paulswm | hey, toresbe .... |
| 12:31.00 | spdf | 1036... thats small time... |
| 12:31.00 | toresbe | I must quickly write a lot of things so that I can brag about helping more people than paulswm |
| 12:31.02 | paulswm | !qotd36 |
| 12:31.02 | dpkg | qotd36 is probably < pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
| 12:31.19 | tarzeau | paulswm: hahaha |
| 12:31.29 | toresbe | wow. |
| 12:31.31 | paulswm | toresbe: You prolly do anyway, a lot of my posts are kind of junky |
| 12:31.32 | amorphix | !qotd223 |
| 12:31.49 | toresbe | my 15 secs of fame was in |
| 12:31.52 | toresbe | !qotd80 |
| 12:31.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd80 is <toresbe> Holy shit! <toresbe> My Ultra 1 is streaming kernel panics! <toresbe> oh crap - It's the BSOD screensaver <toresbe> I fall for that motherfucker every time |
| 12:32.09 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:32.32 | amorphix | !qotd1 |
| 12:32.32 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 12:32.34 | paulswm | Another good one I spotted this morning... |
| 12:32.37 | paulswm | !qotd119 |
| 12:32.38 | dpkg | methinks qotd119 is <john6000> directhex|work you can get lost you loser <john6000> calling me thinck |
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| 12:32.54 | spdf | I like 69 |
| 12:33.12 | paulswm | Yes, that's good |
| 12:33.19 | toresbe | !qotd69 |
| 12:33.20 | dpkg | hmm... qotd69 is <mdadmtime> what does it mean if a raid array has state "dirty"? <asg> mdadmtime: it previously stored pr0n |
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| 12:33.27 | toresbe | hahah |
| 12:33.30 | amorphix | lol |
| 12:33.39 | jethro | heh |
| 12:33.51 | joel_ | it previously stored jethro tull albums |
| 12:34.15 | paulswm | !qotd120 |
| 12:34.15 | dpkg | well, qotd120 is <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
| 12:34.25 | toresbe | heh |
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| 12:35.03 | paulswm | toresbe: you'd like 114 |
| 12:35.06 | spdf | !qotd121 |
| 12:35.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd121 is <amorphix> bunzip2: linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file <cahoot> amorphix: run 'file linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 ' <amorphix> linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2: HTML document text <liable> you idget >> amorphix<< liable: I dont have idget <amorphix> is the name right? |
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| 12:35.37 | paulswm | !qotd114 |
| 12:35.37 | dpkg | i guess qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
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| 12:35.47 | toresbe | hah |
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| 12:38.04 | npmiki | how to install usb ethernet in woody r5 |
| 12:38.17 | Guerin | god |
| 12:38.19 | Guerin | usb ethernet |
| 12:38.27 | Guerin | let me know if you get that shit working properly |
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| 12:38.40 | spdf | npmiki, What kind of usb ethernet? |
| 12:38.40 | IronRoses | hello guys |
| 12:38.47 | npmiki | corega fether |
| 12:38.57 | IronRoses | I now have debian sarge, not the snapshot |
| 12:39.02 | npmiki | in sarge debian works fine |
| 12:39.07 | IronRoses | meaning i have kernel 2.4.27-2 |
| 12:39.10 | IronRoses | somthing like that |
| 12:39.11 | npmiki | but in stable version can't |
| 12:39.12 | spdf | npmiki, is it "foreign"? |
| 12:39.18 | IronRoses | dpkg nvidia |
| 12:39.18 | dpkg | well, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 12:39.31 | IronRoses | how do i get the nvidia installation up on here? |
| 12:39.32 | Guerin | npmiki: use a sarge kernel, then. |
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| 12:39.41 | Guerin | npmiki: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:39.47 | jethro | IronRoses: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 12:40.03 | IronRoses | dpkg nvidia installer |
| 12:40.03 | dpkg | [nvidia installer] a script available from nvidia.com which installs nvidia drivers for you. However, it overwrites files that apt owns, which can get overwritten themselves when X is upgraded, leading to random breakage. Ask me about "nvidia-howto" or just "nvidia" |
| 12:40.04 | jethro | IronRoses: or nvidia-howto, or whatever dpkg just said |
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| 12:40.10 | npmiki | I am using stable on slow computer |
| 12:40.15 | Guerin | why? |
| 12:40.20 | Guerin | use sarge. |
| 12:40.23 | IronRoses | dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 12:40.23 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. |
| 12:40.29 | jethro | IronRoses: /msg the bot please |
| 12:40.32 | spdf | npmiki, Sarge is betah. Its the new stable (soon). |
| 12:40.32 | Guerin | !msg the bots |
| 12:40.33 | dpkg | Oi, guerin, message the bots, so you don't spam the channel. /msg apt foo. *snarl* Thankyou |
| 12:40.40 | Guerin | thanks mate |
| 12:41.14 | IronRoses | how do i msg the botz? |
| 12:41.17 | npmiki | ok |
| 12:41.19 | npmiki | thanks |
| 12:41.26 | Guerin | typ /msg dpkg badgers |
| 12:41.30 | jethro | IronRoses: you type /msg dpkg foo in your irc client |
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| 12:42.01 | spdf | Do badgers in fact make great gifts? |
| 12:42.12 | Guerin | depends on the badger |
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| 12:42.22 | jethro | and on your definition of great as well |
| 12:42.25 | chaps0063 | Hello all. |
| 12:42.26 | greg | hi all |
| 12:42.46 | Guerin | wtf |
| 12:42.50 | spdf | And whether or not "Make" means "to give as a gift" or actually makes the gift. |
| 12:43.05 | chaps0063 | can someone give me a hand getting this (0000:01:0d.0 Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05)) to work? |
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| 12:43.23 | IronRoses | the bots died |
| 12:43.30 | jethro | chaps0063: either use ndiswrapper, or ipw2200 |
| 12:43.32 | Guerin | !test |
| 12:43.32 | dpkg | No, guerin, you're not online any more. |
| 12:43.44 | spdf | chaps0063, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:43.47 | Guerin | seems dpkg lives on |
| 12:43.51 | chaps0063 | thanks spdf |
| 12:43.54 | jethro | chaps0063: which version of debian are you using? |
| 12:44.05 | spdf | chaps0063, don't thank me. Thank Open Source! (TM) |
| 12:44.11 | paulswm | @test |
| 12:44.11 | ravenbird | Yes, paulswm, you're still online. |
| 12:44.18 | Guerin | don't thank open source, thank Free Software |
| 12:44.19 | IronRoses | guys, i can't get nvidia-one-liner to show |
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| 12:44.29 | jethro | IronRoses: you must've spammed them and they ignored you |
| 12:44.30 | Guerin | IronRoses: it's called nvidia one liner |
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| 12:44.37 | chaps0063 | jethro, sarge, i beleive. |
| 12:44.37 | Guerin | no hyphens |
| 12:44.40 | IronRoses | lol |
| 12:44.44 | drac | nvidia one-liner |
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| 12:45.26 | chaps0063 | jethro, yes, sarge. |
| 12:45.26 | jethro | chaps0063: look at /etc/debian_version and /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure. |
| 12:45.41 | chaps0063 | 3.1 |
| 12:45.44 | jethro | chaps0063: are you using a debian kernel image or a custom one? |
| 12:45.51 | chaps0063 | debian kernel image. |
| 12:46.10 | jethro | chaps0063: apt-get install module-assistant, and m-a a-i ipw2200 |
| 12:46.31 | maxxle | Hi! I'm trying to install Debian 3.0r5. I have problems with fileutils_4.1-10_i386. If doing a CD-install i get the message that the file is corrupt. Getting it via ftp/http I can't fetch it. |
| 12:46.35 | jethro | chaps0063: or ndiswrapper if you plan to use ndiswrapper |
| 12:47.05 | ttick | anyone else using a ThinkPad 560z (very old) and have sound working for the 2.6.1 kernel, but not since upgrading to later kernels? (using the precompiled debian kernels) |
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| 12:47.31 | REds | maxxle, download ur cd again, sounds liek its corrupt |
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| 12:47.45 | chaps0063 | jethro, ok, thanks, i used ndiswrapper on my last laptop, it got rather annoying. |
| 12:47.55 | paulswm | ttick: Not using that, but my sound card works with 2.6.8 but not with 2.2.10 |
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| 12:48.02 | paulswm | 2.6.10 |
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| 12:48.14 | maxxle | REds: I've got the same problem if I do a network-install. |
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| 12:48.49 | Guerin | REds: why are you installing woody? Install sarge. |
| 12:49.07 | chaps0063 | jethro, 'm-a a-i ipw2200' gives me an error, says i should add something to my sources.list |
| 12:49.27 | Guerin | chaps0063: add something to your sources.list |
| 12:49.39 | chaps0063 | Guerin, something about the contrib or non-free archives |
| 12:49.45 | chaps0063 | im not sure what i need to add. |
| 12:49.49 | giupy | deb ftp://something |
| 12:50.12 | giupy | i'll try :) |
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| 12:50.17 | Guerin | chaps0063: add the words contrib and non-free to the end of your 'mail' sources.list entry |
| 12:50.19 | ttick | paulswm: hmm, I'm having a similar problem. :/ grr. Haven't had sound for about 5 months. :( |
| 12:50.24 | liable | ttick: using alsa? |
| 12:50.30 | chaps0063 | Guerin, mail or main? |
| 12:50.33 | ttick | liable: yes |
| 12:50.34 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:50.35 | Guerin | main |
| 12:50.41 | Guerin | i'm a shit typist |
| 12:50.49 | paulswm | Sound setup sucks in Linux :( |
| 12:51.02 | chaps0063 | thanks Guerin |
| 12:51.05 | wintix | paulswm: alsa? |
| 12:51.08 | ttick | it used to work just fine (which kinda amazed me, to be honest) |
| 12:51.08 | chaps0063 | thanks everyone. |
| 12:51.09 | jethro | chaps0063: yes you need contrib for ipw2200 |
| 12:51.17 | liable | ttick: does xmms for example show the equaliser moving, but no sound? |
| 12:51.17 | paulswm | wintix: Yup. |
| 12:51.22 | chaps0063 | does this support WPA-PSK? |
| 12:51.24 | IronRoses | excellent, installing kernel-gheaders and nvidia drivers on debian...marvilous |
| 12:51.24 | wintix | paulswm: try alsaconf |
| 12:51.35 | Guerin | marvelous |
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| 12:51.46 | ttick | liable: no, xmms is dead on pressing play, and hangs the system for a bit. |
| 12:51.48 | jethro | chaps0063: you'll have to check the changelog, last time I tried it, WPA was barely supported, that's why I had to use ndiswrapper |
| 12:51.56 | chaps0063 | ah, i see. |
| 12:52.14 | paulswm | wintix: I have my sound set up, I know alsaconf, I was just offering MHO that sound setup sucks in Linux, it's the single area where Windows is so much better. |
| 12:52.38 | Guerin | not the single area |
| 12:52.42 | maxxle | Ok. I will have a try with the sarge-network installer image |
| 12:52.52 | Guerin | there are others, mostly in software |
| 12:52.54 | paulswm | Guerin: I mean the biggest gap |
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| 12:53.00 | Guerin | yeah. |
| 12:53.01 | jethro | !info ipw2200-source sarge |
| 12:53.07 | wintix | paulswm: oh. hmk. |
| 12:53.09 | dpkg | ipw2200-source: (Source for the ipw2200 driver), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 12:53.13 | ttick | liable: probing for cs4236 used to work for this sound card |
| 12:53.13 | Guerin | the most common stumbling block |
| 12:53.15 | npmiki | I have installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2 from sarge cd, and after reboot get this: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs... |
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| 12:53.22 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 12:53.23 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 12:53.28 | chaps0063_ | thanks again, i will be back later. |
| 12:53.32 | ttick | liable: now it just chugs the machine. |
| 12:53.48 | Guerin | npmiki: lilo? |
| 12:53.52 | npmiki | yes |
| 12:53.54 | paulswm | My sound was working in 2.6.8 then I installed 2.6.10 and had to clap my hands to make sure I hadn't gone deaf :) |
| 12:54.00 | jethro | chaps0063_: you may want to use sid's ipw2200-source package, as it has a newer version of the code, which includes changes in the WPA related code |
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| 12:54.08 | ttick | paulswm: lol |
| 12:54.12 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 12:54.20 | paulswm | !de |
| 12:54.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 12:54.20 | Guerin | npmiki: you need to add an initrd line to your lilo.conf, just as the friendly kernel-upgrade prompt told you |
| 12:54.43 | santana | quit |
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| 12:54.46 | santana | exit |
| 12:54.48 | eka | hi all |
| 12:54.54 | Guerin | santana: /quit |
| 12:55.04 | eka | which command for tar for ignoring a file extension? |
| 12:55.07 | liable | ttick: what abo cat /boot/vmlinuz* > /dev/dsp |
| 12:55.15 | ttick | though, it's kinda odd. I know bunch of people with the same ThinkPad/sound problem. Wonder if the kernel people know about it. |
| 12:55.20 | Guerin | eka: tar cares nothing about file extensions |
| 12:55.23 | santana | obrigado (Thank you) |
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| 12:55.30 | Guerin | santana: :) |
| 12:55.41 | paulswm | santana: you are welcome :) |
| 12:55.53 | eka | Guerin: so how do i ignore a file or some files i dont want ro tar? |
| 12:55.59 | ttick | liable: /dev/dsp ? |
| 12:56.03 | commodude28 | Deian is getting "hard" to get used to |
| 12:56.06 | Guerin | eka: oh, you mean --exlude |
| 12:56.15 | Guerin | eka: --exclude; check TFM |
| 12:56.19 | eka | ohh lets see |
| 12:56.31 | commodude28 | I can install gentoo on this box |
| 12:56.36 | jethro | eka: either build a file list without the files with the given extensions, or use find | tar |
| 12:56.47 | paulswm | commodude28: then go do it |
| 12:56.56 | commodude28 | and debian erases a root partition to Slackware on my othjer box lol |
| 12:57.04 | commodude28 | Ah dont take it personally |
| 12:57.11 | paulswm | !qotd77 |
| 12:57.11 | dpkg | i heard qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 12:57.15 | Guerin | debian erases nothing without first getting your approval |
| 12:57.15 | commodude28 | I am just experimenting |
| 12:57.16 | jethro | :) |
| 12:57.38 | commodude28 | Well I didnt let it |
| 12:57.43 | commodude28 | I think it got confused |
| 12:57.44 | paulswm | commodude28: not taking it personally, but a lot of trolls start out like your message :) |
| 12:57.45 | commodude28 | cause |
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| 12:58.03 | commodude28 | I installed more than one distro on a computer |
| 12:58.10 | commodude28 | Just cause I was curious |
| 12:58.18 | commodude28 | hard to bitch about something |
| 12:58.18 | Guerin | nope, all recent debian installers handle that just dandy. |
| 12:58.26 | commodude28 | if ya dont know why |
| 12:58.30 | commodude28 | makes sense to me |
| 12:58.53 | jethro | !tell commodude28 -about enter |
| 12:58.56 | paulswm | Well you have to install them on different partitions obviosuly, I had 4 different installations on one of my boxes, no problems |
| 12:58.58 | IronRoses | where can I find nvidia repos? |
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| 12:59.08 | commodude28 | All I have concluded is.. All linux is the same and every distro is a pain in one way or another lol |
| 12:59.21 | drac | IronRoses: Debian has NVidia drivers. |
| 12:59.32 | wintix | IronRoses: add non-free to your sources.lst |
| 12:59.36 | dort | commodude28 -- with that sort of wisdom, true enlightenment is obviously just around the corner |
| 12:59.49 | Guerin | itym around the s-bend |
| 13:00.26 | commodude28 | Nah |
| 13:00.30 | npmiki | Guerin: what to enter in lilo.conf, initrd=?? |
| 13:00.40 | Guerin | depends where your initrd is |
| 13:00.50 | commodude28 | Just being mad all the time; cause one expects too much |
| 13:00.50 | Guerin | could be /initrd.img |
| 13:00.50 | paulswm | commodude28: Linux, like Unix, really needs administering. It's not like Windows, nor is it meant to be. It's really a server system with some front end stuff added, so one has to be a sysdem administrator to a certain extent. |
| 13:00.57 | commodude28 | Every distro doesnt act the same |
| 13:01.02 | Guerin | but it's probably in /boot |
| 13:01.26 | commodude28 | No kidding |
| 13:01.26 | commodude28 | I know that |
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| 13:02.14 | liran_ | for general purpose, what other tools can i use for resizing pictures other than '/usr/bin/convert'? |
| 13:02.30 | paulswm | commodude28: well then you'll understand that debian didn't decide to erase anything, the installer just did what you told it to do :) |
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| 13:02.39 | Guerin | liran_: mogrify -resize, also in imagemagick |
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| 13:02.59 | liran_ | Guerin, i dont think i have that, hold on. imagemagick is the package name? |
| 13:03.05 | Guerin | yes |
| 13:03.13 | Guerin | i'm pretty sure 'convert' is in it |
| 13:03.55 | paulswm | Happy Sunday everyone. |
| 13:03.59 | liran_ | Guerin, well it seems like the dsl dist doesnt come equipt with it, which is why i was asking |
| 13:04.12 | Guerin | liran_: that's because dsl isn't debian. |
| 13:04.29 | liran_ | Guerin, its debian-based. but im installing imagemagick now :p |
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| 13:04.33 | paulswm | *sigh* |
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| 13:04.48 | paulswm | liran_: debian-based is not debian |
| 13:04.58 | liran_ | tell me about it paul :p |
| 13:05.23 | khanman | is sarge still scheduled to be released on the end of this month? |
| 13:05.26 | jethro | !tell liran_ -about debian based |
| 13:05.28 | paulswm | my car is combustion-engine-based, but it sure ain't a Ferrari |
| 13:05.50 | Guerin | khanman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00020.html |
| 13:06.13 | Guerin | !wwsr |
| 13:06.13 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. The current estimate is that it will be released around May 30th. Latest release update: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050517.234235.d8eac4b7.en.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
| 13:06.40 | Guerin | !wwsr =~ s/May 30/June 6/ |
| 13:06.40 | dpkg | Guerin: that doesn't contain 'May 30' |
| 13:06.46 | khanman | tnx guerin |
| 13:06.48 | giupy | is this an acpi msg ? localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 13:07.06 | Shay | !wwsr =~ s/June6/May 30/ |
| 13:07.06 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'June6', Shay |
| 13:07.10 | Shay | err |
| 13:07.24 | Shay | !sing sarge |
| 13:07.24 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 13:07.36 | npmiki | have initrd=/initrd.img and root=/dev/hda1 in lilo.conf and still can't boot, |
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| 13:07.48 | Guerin | fix0r3d |
| 13:07.58 | paulswm | Guerin: you should write a script which does "update wwsr date +7" every week :P |
| 13:08.03 | jethro | hah |
| 13:08.06 | wintix | npmiki: maybe initrd.img is in /boot ? |
| 13:08.12 | jethro | !paulswm++ |
| 13:08.12 | Guerin | Shay: the actual factoid is 'when will sarge release' - wwsr is just a factoid |
| 13:08.18 | npmiki | wintix: not |
| 13:08.29 | Shay | oh I understand |
| 13:08.37 | Guerin | paulswm: no, update wwsr date +364 each year |
| 13:08.45 | Guerin | Shay: i fixed it, anyhoo |
| 13:09.31 | Guerin | anyway |
| 13:09.35 | paulswm | Guerin: But every leap year the date will close in :P |
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| 13:09.50 | Guerin | paulswm: it WILL release eventually, you know :) |
| 13:10.21 | paulswm | Using the +364, by 2033 or so they'll HAVE to release :P |
| 13:10.32 | Guerin | bedtime for little Guerins |
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| 13:10.57 | Guerin | paulswm: if only sarge's release date really was controlled by dpkg... |
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| 13:12.15 | commodude28 | How do I drop down into a non graphical mode in debian.. changing to runlevel 3 doesnt work |
| 13:12.31 | jethro | !tell commodude28 -about nodm |
| 13:12.34 | paulswm | Guerin: I have an idea: Just call woody sarge, and sarge etch :P |
| 13:12.49 | Delivos | my deb box has suffered quite a bit of filesystem corruption. is it possible to use apt to verify the integrity of all installed packages? |
| 13:13.07 | xtension | any counter arguments for not using a boot-flag on a disk ? |
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| 13:13.54 | paulswm | xtension: only if you're dual booting an OS boot loader which needs it, like the Windows ones |
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| 13:14.05 | xtension | thought so :) |
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| 13:14.18 | IronRoses | got different sources in the end, i now have sarge contrib and sarge non-free |
| 13:14.26 | IronRoses | and nvidia is installing |
| 13:14.32 | suman | hi all, my /usr is full, hence i am unable to install even small utilities... to create space can i move /usr/share/doc to another partition and create a symlink in /usr/share... will that hurt anything? |
| 13:15.03 | xtension | paulswm http://www.funfocus.net/bilder/diverse/bill.htm |
| 13:15.05 | paulswm | suman: that should be OK, for a longer term solution, read up on lvm, the howto is a good place to start |
| 13:15.48 | suman | paulswm: ok thx... will do that... |
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| 13:16.04 | Jacobo221 | i'm trying to use xmmplayer plugin with marillat's mplayer-k6 package. but it is not working. is this a known issue? |
| 13:16.18 | paulswm | suman: lvm makes adding space to a filesystem much easier |
| 13:16.23 | Guerin | paulswm: heh |
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| 13:16.38 | Guerin | Delivos: debsums |
| 13:17.21 | Delivos | guerin: perfect.. thanks |
| 13:17.21 | suman | paulswm: ok |
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| 13:17.55 | paulswm | xtension: that's funny :) Although seriously I don't ascribe any bad intention to Gates, his company plays business hardball which is what a corporation should do |
| 13:18.25 | paulswm | !qotd111 |
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| 13:18.25 | dpkg | i guess qotd111 is <Cray2> stoned: take my advice, for GODS SAKE dont use WinME as a router |
| 13:18.46 | xtension | paulswm dont know if that nessesarry |
| 13:18.59 | hrishi | hi, i am facing a problem while starting x , the monitor led blinks and there's no gui |
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| 13:19.34 | paulswm | xtension: Microsoft's primary obligation is to deliver value to its shareholders. |
| 13:19.51 | xtension | paulswm their method just sux |
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| 13:20.53 | paulswm | xtension: You ought to research some other companies' activites, like IBM in the 70s for instance, then MS doesn't seem so out of place. |
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| 13:22.35 | xtension | paulswm m$ is wanting to be going to be friends with linux .... wait n see |
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| 13:24.06 | IronRoses | I have just finished installing nvidia drivers and configure the xf86config-4 file but it says can't find nvidia module when i load x back up |
| 13:24.25 | xtension | paulswm read about the upcoming software patents , looks like m$ s going to have more troubles than linux |
| 13:24.34 | ethics | hey anyone use kopete ...im having trouble getting to msn contacts...dont beleive anything on my end changed but according to korete pages there are msn changes in newer version |
| 13:24.39 | IronRoses | shit |
| 13:24.48 | IronRoses | did patents get through in to europe? |
| 13:25.01 | wintix | IronRoses: have u compiled and installed the module? have u modprobed the module nvidia? |
| 13:25.03 | xtension | IronRoses almost |
| 13:25.16 | IronRoses | yeh, winti |
| 13:25.27 | shingouz | to be able to use distcc for kpkg, i will have to "export DISTCC_HOSTS='host another yetanother'", set /etc/default/kernelpkg to use enough instances and do "distcc make-kpkg kernel_image", am i right? |
| 13:25.43 | wintix | modprobe nvidia works without errors? |
| 13:25.48 | IronRoses | yeh |
| 13:25.52 | IronRoses | but i'll check aain |
| 13:25.57 | shingouz | the distcc daemon has to be set to listen to the relevant network and be started on the servers, of course |
| 13:26.10 | xtension | paulswm secondly IBM is willing to free up some 200 patents |
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| 13:26.23 | IronRoses | it's comin up with nothing now |
| 13:26.33 | wintix | IronRoses: have u installed nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx? |
| 13:26.38 | IronRoses | yes |
| 13:26.50 | jethro | !u |
| 13:26.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:27.20 | wintix | in the xf86config-4 file u have to comment out dri and set driver to "nvidia" |
| 13:27.34 | paulswm | !u |
| 13:27.34 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:27.40 | paulswm | jethro: :D |
| 13:27.41 | IronRoses | oh |
| 13:27.49 | IronRoses | I just deleted it and set driver to nvidia |
| 13:27.56 | IronRoses | so i gotta coment it out...ok |
| 13:28.03 | wintix | IronRoses: delet is the same as commenting out ;) |
| 13:28.06 | wintix | +e |
| 13:29.07 | IronRoses | oh |
| 13:29.17 | paulswm | wintix: 'OMG I just commented out my /home partition', heh |
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| 13:29.35 | wintix | hehe |
| 13:30.16 | IronRoses | anything else i need to coment out, because i have lots here |
| 13:30.38 | paulswm | !qotd61 |
| 13:30.38 | dpkg | <kingsley> OK, there are just a few things that I'd rather do before I resort to using 2.6: I'd rather get a vasectomy with a weed whacker, an enema with a garden hose, slam my nose in a car door, have a proctologist named Dr. Hook and watch Roseann Barr do a strip-tease. |
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| 13:30.57 | xtension | just repartitioned a disk , df shows me no changes , how to without reboot ? |
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| 13:31.34 | wintix | IronRoses: linuxdingsda.de/XF86Config-4 is my config. |
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| 13:31.40 | paulswm | xtension: df won't show you, what does 'sfdisk -l' say? |
| 13:32.28 | jethro | s/sf/f/ |
| 13:32.38 | paulswm | s/f/sf/ |
| 13:32.41 | paulswm | :P |
| 13:32.50 | paulswm | I prefer sfdisk, is all |
| 13:32.56 | dvs | s/:P/:-D |
| 13:33.03 | xtension | paulswm it says its repartitioned, nevertheless after i use the part and do reboot all data will surely be lost ? as this happened (many) before |
| 13:33.09 | jethro | oh I thought it was a typo, sorry paulswm |
| 13:33.23 | paulswm | !fruitsmite jethro |
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| 13:33.52 | qbwdp | wat up |
| 13:33.58 | paulswm | xtension: If you didn't change any active partitons, you should be OK |
| 13:33.58 | dvs | !sing sunday |
| 13:33.58 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 13:34.22 | paulswm | jethro: I know you did, buddy :) |
| 13:34.25 | masoft | I must run ESD in gnome manually ? or it will run automatically by gnome ? |
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| 13:34.37 | xtension | paulswm thanks |
| 13:34.39 | paulswm | I like the smites |
| 13:34.46 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 13:34.47 | dpkg | :), paulswm |
| 13:34.50 | qbwdp | hey guys can i make a raid1 with mdadm and have it mirrior disk one to disk 2 without deleting anything from diskone? |
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| 13:35.04 | jethro | paulswm: actually I didn't even know there was a tool called sfdisk |
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| 13:35.18 | wintix | IronRoses: if this isnt working, what is the output of 'lsmod | grep nvidia'? |
| 13:35.31 | dvs | qbwdp: I know I can do that in hardware. i haven't tried it in software yet. |
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| 13:35.36 | masoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.37 | j_k | qbwdp: there's the md superblock at the end that will overwrite a few blocks. |
| 13:35.50 | paulswm | jethro: It is, like many things, good but can be dangerous in the wrong hands :) |
| 13:36.11 | paulswm | Like pointer arithmetic in C, for instance |
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| 13:36.21 | IronRoses | output of lsmo nvidia 36456692 0 (unused) |
| 13:36.28 | jethro | pointers are cool, you can screw a lot of things with pointers |
| 13:36.40 | paulswm | Indeed! |
| 13:36.52 | qbwdp | dvs: yes i have hardware raid one one machine and it does that, this machine i only have a scsi card with no raid on it |
| 13:37.32 | qbwdp | j_k: is it best for me to format disk2 since i took it out of an old hardware raid using my scsi bios? or should i leave it as is and let mdadm format it? |
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| 13:37.34 | paulswm | jethro: Pointer arithmetic in C is like giving a small child a loaded gun: sooner or later, it's going to go off, and someone's probably going to get hurt. :) |
| 13:37.37 | commodude28 | Woohoo installed the nvidia driver |
| 13:37.56 | dvs | !beer commodude28 |
| 13:37.57 | jethro | paulswm: heh |
| 13:38.01 | commodude28 | is there a site I can add to my sources.list to get kde 2.4? |
| 13:38.03 | paulswm | !win commodude28 |
| 13:38.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, commodude28! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
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| 13:38.40 | commodude28 | Go ahead guys mock away... |
| 13:39.00 | commodude28 | and it is 3.4 aint my fauslt I cant type |
| 13:39.03 | xzgv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:39.27 | wintix | illustir: no idea, normally it should work. |
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| 13:39.50 | j_k | qbwdp: add it in degraded mode if you don't want the first one to be touched. |
| 13:39.54 | wintix | err. not illustir. |
| 13:39.58 | illustir | oh, ok |
| 13:40.10 | Wyzard | commodude28: http://dot.kde.org/1112950808/1112959217/ -- second result in a Google search for "KDE 3.4 Debian" |
| 13:40.15 | j_k | qbwdp: then when you array is up with just the first disk, you can activate it. |
| 13:40.36 | j_k | qbwdp: but beware, resize you fs to a smaller size on disk 1 before you start. |
| 13:40.55 | j_k | qbwdp: resize it up from the mdX dev once you're done. |
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| 13:41.12 | qbwdp | j_k: ok, thanx |
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| 13:43.58 | paulswm | Ho, hum, what to do today, perl scripts or actually put a page on my domain |
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| 13:44.57 | caphuso | paulswm: the obvious solution would be mod_perl... |
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| 13:46.47 | paulswm | caphuso: I meant do some non-intarweb perl stuff, or just put up and html page on an unused domain, I'm not a web genius and I have three domains sitting around with nothing on them not even a home page :) |
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| 13:53.56 | Analyser | hi, i writing a script with expect, someone know how i do to expect dont shutdown until my command finish? |
| 13:54.50 | shingoki | the nvidia stuff is back in unstable again now? |
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| 13:57.35 | shingoki | brb |
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| 13:59.00 | Fodna | hi |
| 13:59.15 | Fodna | how to untar a file whose extension is file.tgz? |
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| 13:59.27 | dvs | Fodna: tar -xzvf file.tgz |
| 13:59.32 | Analyser | Fodna: tar zxvf |
| 13:59.39 | Fodna | ok |
| 13:59.40 | Fodna | ty |
| 13:59.41 | dvs | Analyser: no, xzvf ;-) |
| 13:59.59 | Analyser | dvs: here works fine :) |
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| 14:00.14 | Gathond | Fodna: tar -zxf if you dont want to watch the filenames stream by |
| 14:00.31 | paulswm | Yeah, I never use v with tar |
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| 14:01.06 | Fodna | does anyone know which version is this server using of hybrid-ircd? |
| 14:01.26 | caphuso | Fodna: none |
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| 14:02.57 | shingouz | Fodna: if you are planning to make a network of your own, do not pick hybridircd if at all possible |
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| 14:04.14 | paulswm | Seems awful quiet for a Sunday. |
| 14:04.41 | shingouz | you do not sound too disappointed for some reason |
| 14:04.42 | shingoki | How come there are no nvidia kernel images for 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:05.06 | paulswm | shingouz: Heh |
| 14:05.16 | shingouz | shingoki: nvidia is closed source and that is the biggest reason there are no readymade images on debian |
| 14:05.35 | shingouz | shingoki: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 14:06.03 | shingouz | or was it nvidia oneliner |
| 14:06.12 | shingoki | shingouz, yup I'm looking at that, but I can't see how to get nvidia-glx without the 2.4 kernel stuff... do I just get the wrong kernel image? |
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| 14:06.46 | shingouz | shingoki: you can do it on a 2.6 too i hear. i do not know how, though; i only have matroxes here |
| 14:07.15 | maxxle | Hi! I want to setup a 'virtual' nic. I have physically installed only one nic. What are the magic words for google? |
| 14:07.20 | shingouz | @comfort paulswm |
| 14:07.21 | ravenbird | There, there, paulswm. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:07.21 | shingoki | matroxes work :) |
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| 14:07.40 | shingouz | shingoki: no, they Just Work (tm) ;) |
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| 14:08.35 | shingoki | shingouz, ah, looks like the one liner actually works now |
| 14:08.50 | shingoki | shingouz, last time I tried it had missing packages, I'll just restart x and see if it worked :) |
| 14:08.52 | shingoki | thanks |
| 14:08.52 | tid-wave | is there a video card with opengl hardware acceration that is supported by free drivers on linux ? |
| 14:08.56 | shingouz | np |
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| 14:09.16 | shingoki | the intel embedded chips are apparently very well supported with open drivers |
| 14:09.21 | shingoki | and older radeons work ok |
| 14:09.43 | shingoki | and ask shingouz about matrox :) although they are expensive for what they do :( |
| 14:09.45 | MobyTurbo | tid-wave: dri.sourceforge.net |
| 14:10.55 | MobyTurbo | s/complain/complain to me/ |
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| 14:17.04 | paulswm | !qotd41 |
| 14:17.04 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd41 is <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
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| 14:18.45 | reka | hello, it started with a problem i had when compiling programs that compiled cleanly before i upgraded a few things: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291665 |
| 14:19.05 | reka | so i though i would upgrade binutils to fix the problem, but i get this: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/291674 |
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| 14:19.34 | reka | (note: running ubuntu, tried #ubuntu, stumped #ubuntu) |
| 14:19.43 | jethro | !they don't know |
| 14:19.43 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:19.46 | cbr | they're delaying sarge again :> |
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| 14:20.05 | Shay | <3 dpkg |
| 14:20.08 | reka | dpkg: well, it *is* to do with dpkg |
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| 14:20.19 | Shay | reka: dpkg is just a bot |
| 14:20.25 | jethro | reka: 1/ dpkg is a bot 2/ your problem is an ubuntu problem. |
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| 14:20.47 | jethro | !debian based |
| 14:20.47 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 14:20.56 | samw | OT: can a few people help me test a cgi-script I am writing? it's http://nipl.net/wish/ (part of nipl.net aka free.debian.net, a new project providing free hosting, etc) |
| 14:21.19 | Shay | lol @ ask me about d-i |
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| 14:22.13 | samw | it's a "make a wish" script, a simple sort of blog thing. I just want a couple people to "make a wish" so the thing rolls over to the next page and updates its indexes, etc. |
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| 14:23.02 | shingouz | samw: your wish has been granted. sec |
| 14:23.42 | samw | shingouz: lol, thx |
| 14:23.49 | shingouz | reka: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 14:24.57 | membrive | hi ArCePi |
| 14:25.00 | ArCePi | hi |
| 14:25.02 | takatumi | samw: one down. |
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| 14:25.42 | reka | i think not. i think i'll go and molest google as the oaf suggested. |
| 14:25.52 | shingouz | saww: better? |
| 14:26.11 | remmy_ | can someone help me with the nvidia instructions? |
| 14:26.27 | samw | shingouz: I need 1 more to roll over the page (3/page) :) |
| 14:26.32 | remmy_ | it says apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common" do i fill in the kernel part with my kernel #? |
| 14:26.36 | samw | I'll do 1 myself again! |
| 14:26.40 | shingouz | :) |
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| 14:28.05 | ttick | well, this is odd, for those of you I mentioned my ThinkPad sound problem to, after a lot of monkeying I got it working. So I rebooted to see if I could get to to work automagically . . . now I can't recreate my success. :( |
| 14:28.06 | masoft | I must run ESD (esound) manually or Gnome will do it automatically ? |
| 14:28.15 | samw | working, thx :) |
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| 14:28.35 | shingouz | ttick: TP600 with cs4232? |
| 14:28.36 | ttick | the best part was, when I got it working the first song that came up in my XMMS queue was "Enjoy the Silence" |
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| 14:28.56 | Shorty` | GAH |
| 14:28.56 | ttick | shingouz: Well a 560Z, but yes, same driver. |
| 14:29.05 | Shorty` | has anyone converted a putty key to an openssh key before? |
| 14:29.07 | Shorty` | mine wont do it. |
| 14:29.18 | Shorty` | keeps asking for a passphrase, even though this key didn't have one. |
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| 14:29.26 | ttick | shingouz: you have any luck with the same problem? |
| 14:29.33 | shingouz | ttick: try modprobe -r snd-driver-whatever-the-name-is, then modprobe sdn-driver-back |
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| 14:30.08 | qbwdp | hey guys, i'm installing sarge, i have two scsi drives andi'm trying to install it with raid1, during the install, i get to the partition part, i make raid volumes on sda and sdb, then i choose from the option menu configure raid, it makes on chunk volume and does not allow me to put my swap, what would i be doing wrong? |
| 14:30.25 | jethro | Shorty`: using ssh-keygen or puttygen? |
| 14:30.33 | shingouz | ttick: the 600 has a problem with the pcmcia and shuts down the sound when the sound is pu and the pcmcia comes up. solution: make a script that runs after pcmcia has been brought up that removes and isntalls the sound modules |
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| 14:30.41 | Shorty` | jethro, I've tried both :) |
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| 14:30.53 | Shorty` | I'm going to use the windows puttygen to see if it works better/at all |
| 14:30.56 | shingouz | qbwdp: software or hardware raid? |
| 14:31.05 | remmy_ | when i apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common it says " E: couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common" |
| 14:31.20 | qbwdp | shingouz: software throught the install on debian |
| 14:31.23 | jethro | Shorty`: I meant windows puttygen. I never tried this so I couldn't tell you. I usually convert openssh keys to putty keys |
| 14:31.31 | shingouz | remmy_: is there such a package according to apt-cache serarch? |
| 14:31.39 | Shorty` | jethro, no worries, I'll let you know how I go |
| 14:31.39 | Shorty` | ;) |
| 14:31.46 | jethro | Shorty`: thanks |
| 14:31.49 | ttick | shingouz: hmm, just did: modprobe -r snd-cs4232 then modprobe snd-cs4232 and now I get a no such device error. :/ |
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| 14:32.06 | remmy_ | shingouz, no but im following the directions to install the things i need to make my video card work correctly |
| 14:32.09 | shingouz | qbwdp: in that case i'll just sit back and get some popcorn, i do not know about software raid at all |
| 14:32.30 | shingouz | remmy_: if apt-cache search does not find such a package there is none |
| 14:32.51 | jethro | !find nvidia-kernel-common |
| 14:32.53 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 14:33.05 | jethro | remmy_: you need contrib in your sources.list |
| 14:33.06 | toonx | what package shud i install in order to have bzip ? #apt-get install bzip doesn't work |
| 14:33.14 | shingouz | ttick: you need to make the module options known to the kernel. what kernel you have there, 2.4 or 2.6? |
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| 14:33.25 | ttick | shingouz: 2.6.8 |
| 14:33.36 | toonx | sorry i forgot the "2" |
| 14:33.39 | ttick | shingouz: going to install 2.6.11 later today if I can work the sound thingy. |
| 14:33.40 | toonx | nevermind |
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| 14:33.54 | shingouz | ttick: eugh. what is it with everyone running 2.6.8 these days... in anycase, sec and i'll check on my 600 |
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| 14:34.27 | ttick | shingouz: lol, no idea. Was the last one I could get to work clean with my debian install. Tried 10 and got some errors. |
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| 14:34.39 | toonx | commodude28 ok thank you |
| 14:34.42 | jethro | !tell remmy_ -about contrib |
| 14:35.00 | remmy_ | jethro, thanks im an idiot and skipped over that part i guess |
| 14:35.20 | ttick | shingouz: in fact, tried compiling 11 and got some WIFI errors or something, couldn't get my WLAN card to work. So I've stuck with 2.6.8 on this box. 2.6.11 running on the server. |
| 14:35.52 | shingouz | ttick: in /etc/modutils you shoulc have a file cs4232 saying "options cs4232 io=0x??? irq=? dma=? dma2=?" where you just input the correct values for '?'. update-modules and modprobe again |
| 14:36.05 | shingouz | ttick: what wifi card? |
| 14:36.10 | jethro | remmy_: following the directions to install the things does make you anything but an idiot. now of course, you miss points sometimes :) |
| 14:36.21 | rixth | Is there anyway to apply an equalizer to ALL audio out of your computer? |
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| 14:36.38 | ttick | shingouz: linksys |
| 14:36.58 | shingouz | ttick: umm.. what chipset should that be? |
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| 14:37.04 | ttick | shingouz: lol I'd have to take the card out to see exactly which one. But it's several years old. |
| 14:37.15 | shingouz | k |
| 14:37.20 | ttick | shingouz: cs4232 cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 mpuio=0x330 mpuirq=9 |
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| 14:37.33 | Shorty` | jethro, used windows puttygen to add a passphrase, then saved it as an openssh key |
| 14:37.33 | ttick | shingouz: that's my line in /etc/modules |
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| 14:37.46 | shingouz | ttick: yea, somethign like that but take the first instance of cs4232 out.. ;) |
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| 14:37.57 | ttick | shingouz: also, right before: ad1848 and uart401. |
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| 14:38.25 | ttick | shingouz: oops, bad c-n-p LOL |
| 14:38.54 | shingouz | ttick: in /etc/modules? not there, make another file as i told you into the correct place, in /etc/modules you just have the snd-cs4232 |
| 14:39.01 | shingouz | maybe not even that |
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| 14:39.23 | MDC | in a for loop the fetchmail command sometimes exists with an error code and the whole for loop exits, how can i prevent that? |
| 14:39.27 | senkzer0 | have someone ever configured an "artec scan ultima 2000"? |
| 14:39.32 | senkzer0 | i've a problem |
| 14:39.49 | ttick | shingouz: ah, okay, another file? Sure. Before this nonsense started my /etc/modules was pretty blank. I'll delete this crud and make another file. |
| 14:40.05 | senkzer0 | sane detects only my "genie tv" |
| 14:40.17 | senkzer0 | but no the "ultima 2000" |
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| 14:40.23 | shingouz | senkzer0: and we are supposed to guess what the problem is? i know what the problem is: you do not ask good questions |
| 14:40.41 | jethro | Shorty`: also try -N "" to ssh-keygen |
| 14:40.44 | senkzer0 | yes, i know |
| 14:40.57 | ttick | shingouz: okay, so a file just with that modprobe in it? |
| 14:40.57 | shingouz | senkzer0: usb? parallel? scsi? |
| 14:41.03 | senkzer0 | USB |
| 14:41.04 | shingouz | ttick: yes |
| 14:41.17 | ttick | shingouz: okay, now what? |
| 14:41.24 | shingouz | senkzer0: and are you trying to configure the thing as root? |
| 14:41.36 | shingouz | ttick: do the sounds work? |
| 14:41.37 | senkzer0 | yes |
| 14:41.48 | ttick | shingouz: nope |
| 14:41.49 | senkzer0 | the problem is that my scanner is detected |
| 14:42.07 | ttick | shingouz: XMMS flys through my entire playlist as if the songs were all 0 second in length. |
| 14:42.09 | shingouz | senkzer0: i am not in a mood to get out my pliers to extract information |
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| 14:42.23 | senkzer0 | but i've a tv capture and sane gets this and no my scanner |
| 14:42.25 | ttick | shingouz: which is odd, the usual error I get is that all of X windows chugs. |
| 14:42.29 | shingouz | ttick: did you update-modules? |
| 14:42.31 | senkzer0 | ok |
| 14:42.32 | senkzer0 | no problem |
| 14:42.37 | senkzer0 | thanks |
| 14:42.47 | ttick | shingouz: nope, trying that now |
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| 14:43.05 | senkzer0 | bye |
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| 14:43.25 | ttick | shingouz: nope same problem |
| 14:43.50 | CyzarX | what is the command to dl a file in konsole? |
| 14:44.00 | ArCePi | CyzarX, wget |
| 14:44.01 | shingouz | ttick: just for the hell of it, hit alsaconf |
| 14:44.12 | CyzarX | ty ArCePi |
| 14:44.27 | MobyTurbo | CyzarX: wget, curl, and several ftp and ssh clients |
| 14:44.37 | m4lc0m | Does anybody know something about this? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37901 Thanks in advance |
| 14:44.38 | shingouz | dammit, i seriously need something edible or i will nibble on the keyboard |
| 14:44.48 | ttick | shingouz: okay, alsaconf is going, going to take a bit. It never finds the cards. Shall I probe for the ISA cards? |
| 14:44.52 | shingouz | m4lc0m: ubuntu? |
| 14:44.57 | MobyTurbo | m4lc0m: #ubuntu |
| 14:44.57 | shingouz | yes |
| 14:45.07 | m4lc0m | MobyTurbo: yes |
| 14:45.15 | MobyTurbo | m4lc0m: /j #ubuntu |
| 14:45.16 | ttick | shingouz: just the cs4232, or others as well? |
| 14:45.18 | shingouz | m4lc0m: #ubuntu in that case |
| 14:45.30 | shingouz | ttick: cs* |
| 14:45.44 | ttick | shingouz: okay, it'll take a minute. |
| 14:45.48 | m4lc0m | Is practically the same thing, and the package is a .deb .... |
| 14:45.56 | MobyTurbo | !based on Debian |
| 14:45.56 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 14:45.56 | jethro | !debian based |
| 14:45.56 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 14:45.58 | shingouz | ttick: good enough, i am going to get something edible |
| 14:46.00 | ttick | shingouz: with 2.6.1 this thing worked out of the box. :/ |
| 14:46.00 | jethro | damn |
| 14:46.07 | ttick | shingouz: thanks shin. |
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| 14:46.12 | jethro | !tell m4lc0m -about they don't know |
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| 14:46.23 | shingouz | ttick: i know, the sounds are a bit of a pain with the cs4232 |
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| 14:46.32 | masoft | Linux Journal voting started for choose the best applications. vote to Debian there : http://www.linux-dubai.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=57 |
| 14:46.37 | yac | hi. WHO is compiling debian packages, please ? |
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| 14:46.51 | jethro | yac: I am sometimes |
| 14:47.05 | m4lc0m | ok, hold strong your channel, sorry for asking something that could be the same thing on both... |
| 14:47.07 | m4lc0m | bye |
| 14:47.08 | asg | yac: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 14:47.29 | kjoonlee | Hi, is it possible to configure the hostname the same way you can with during a debian-installer installation? |
| 14:47.37 | kjoonlee | s/with/ |
| 14:48.01 | asg | kjoonlee: /msg dpkg hostname (all you need to do) |
| 14:48.02 | FalscherHase | hi. is there a (scriptable) command line way to 'convert' or print HTML to ps or pdf? I've tried html2ps but it seams to produce bad ps code with xhtml 1.0... |
| 14:48.06 | masoft | kjoonlee, base-config ? |
| 14:48.16 | kjoonlee | asg: Thanks :) |
| 14:48.29 | kjoonlee | masoft: base-config didn't ask me anything about the hostname |
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| 14:49.16 | masoft | kjoonlee, run base-config in SU mode in terminal, then 3rd menu is "Set the hostname" |
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| 14:50.31 | masoft | nobody have experience with ESD ? :(( |
| 14:50.44 | ttick | shingouz: let me know when you're back, shin |
| 14:50.45 | asg | !esd |
| 14:50.45 | dpkg | somebody said esd was the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 14:51.40 | masoft | asg, I know what esd is ! I want know I must run it manually or gnome run it Automatically ... |
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| 14:54.40 | MobyTurbo | masoft: why don't you find out for yourself? |
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| 14:55.22 | x^equa|s1 | dosent anyone use debian on a powerbook? |
| 14:55.40 | asg | x^equa|s1: try #debianppc |
| 14:55.53 | x^equa|s1 | thanks |
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| 14:57.12 | levander | Is it possible to configure bind9 so that it searches a default domainname for hostnames? So that I don't have to configure each client machine to search a specific domain itself? |
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| 14:57.26 | asg | levander: try #dns |
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| 14:57.45 | jethro | levander: that's something I d handle with a dhcp |
| 14:57.50 | levander | asg: i'll try, but if I remembre right, that's a pretty dead channel |
| 14:57.52 | initech | levander: man resolv.conf |
| 14:57.53 | asg | levander: though it is a client config issue solved by dhcp |
| 14:58.04 | pzn | I need to test a command line program, and want to log all what appears on terminal. any recommended tool to log terminal usage? |
| 14:58.09 | levander | initech: unfortunately in this setup, can't use dhcp |
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| 14:58.13 | asg | pzn: man tee |
| 14:58.13 | jethro | pzn: screen |
| 14:58.28 | levander | pzn: script command |
| 14:58.32 | Palantir | can someone help me with mysql installation? I fetched the packages, but can't start the server: I get an error like this: Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address |
| 14:58.38 | initech | pzn use tee or do " > /tmp/logfile 2>&1" |
| 14:58.41 | asg | levander: then you'll just have to add the search or domain parameter to each machine. |
| 14:59.03 | levander | asg: okay, thanks, just wanted to check before I ran around doing that... |
| 14:59.09 | levander | but thanks for you guys help |
| 14:59.16 | asg | levander: it might be worth looking in #dns just for verification |
| 14:59.17 | pzn | asg, initech: I need to log also user interactions... maybe "screen" is what I need |
| 14:59.25 | asg | pzn: then screen or script |
| 14:59.30 | levander | asg: okay, i'll check |
| 14:59.34 | jethro | pzn: use screen, then C-A [ g SPACE G $ > |
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| 15:02.29 | asg | Palantir: check that your interfaces (lo most likely in this case) is up (/sbin/ifconfig) |
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| 15:02.42 | toonX__ | i'm trying to do #make menuconfig in console, and i get You must install ncurses-devel in order |
| 15:02.42 | toonX__ | >> to use 'make menuconfig' |
| 15:02.50 | asg | toonX__: libncurses5-dev |
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| 15:03.01 | toonX__ | asg thanks |
| 15:03.01 | asg | toonX__: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 15:04.12 | amaldo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.32 | Palantir | asg: no it's not up |
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| 15:05.41 | Palantir | asg: it's the same :( |
| 15:05.44 | punsad | anyone know much about burning DVDs? |
| 15:05.47 | punsad | I'm able to burn DVD+-RW but not anything else... DVD+R or -R |
| 15:06.10 | shark | punsad, are you sure your drive allow both ? |
| 15:06.12 | punsad | I'm using growisofs |
| 15:06.45 | punsad | shark: thats a good question... it seems like it should do at least one of +R or -R |
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| 15:08.59 | k4ge | can anyone help me? im having issues downloading dvd images with jigdo and the faq isnt helping |
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| 15:10.16 | MobyTurbo | k4ge: unless the system you are setting up the CDs for does not have an internet connection you don't want to do that anyway. |
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| 15:10.31 | Palantir | noone with the mysql problem? I've just made a fresh install of debian, it's impossible that it's broken out of the box! what have I done wrong? |
| 15:11.00 | punsad | Palantir: what's the error ? |
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| 15:11.11 | k4ge | my cd burner is on the fritz and only my dvd burner is working |
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| 15:11.23 | Palantir | May 29 18:30:16 firewall mysqld[3380]: 050529 18:30:16 Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address |
| 15:11.23 | Palantir | May 29 18:30:16 firewall mysqld[3380]: 050529 18:30:16 Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ? |
| 15:11.29 | marjorie-t | Guys i have just mooved back to a really old screen, apart from res depth and refresh, is there anything else that might stop it from working? |
| 15:11.35 | MobyTurbo | k4ge: your DVD burner can't burn CD-RWs? |
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| 15:12.10 | k4ge | no...it only burns dvd-rw |
| 15:12.57 | k4ge | and only dvd+/-rw at that |
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| 15:13.19 | netfrog | hi all. |
| 15:13.20 | netfrog | on debian mailing lists many have signatures that start with |
| 15:13.20 | netfrog | "-- System Information:" and include release,apt prefs,arch, etc. |
| 15:13.20 | netfrog | how do i produce one? |
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| 15:13.29 | MobyTurbo | at least you don't have this problem: |
| 15:13.34 | MobyTurbo | !rube goldberg install |
| 15:13.35 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 15:14.52 | k4ge | dpkg try putting the hdd in a diff machine, installing, and putting it back |
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| 15:15.34 | marjorie-t | Im useing aN OLD 15" monitor with nvidia module, is there anything i have to 'relax' apart from res depth and refresh in x-config? |
| 15:15.47 | Palantir | :( |
| 15:15.50 | oZt | is atd a substitue for anacron? |
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| 15:16.06 | Glitch_Master | I compiled java black (or whatever it was called... I forgot, actually), but it still does not integrate with firefox. |
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| 15:16.31 | k4ge | hah..... im having my roommate make a cd with the netinstall on it |
| 15:16.32 | netfrog | i've probably missed the answer as was kicked for flood. |
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| 15:16.52 | amaldo | marcel: depth won't make a difference. What you have to watch out for is the horizontal refresh frequency and the vertical one. They both have to be within acceptable limits for the monitor. Watch the /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see which one it is choosing. |
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| 15:17.03 | amaldo | oops, that was for marjorie-t. |
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| 15:17.35 | marjorie-t | amaldo : thanks |
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| 15:18.04 | kurtak | So... what's the usual way of checking how much harddrive space is *left*? |
| 15:18.16 | netfrog | df -h |
| 15:18.16 | js_ | df -h |
| 15:18.18 | oZt | df -h |
| 15:18.25 | netfrog | ;) |
| 15:18.32 | kurtak | ah nice- triple action |
| 15:18.34 | oZt | :) |
| 15:18.41 | k4ge | lol |
| 15:18.58 | kie27 | howdy all, with sarge to become stable shortly, i would like to make a couple of servers that are currently running testing to run stable (ie the new sarge) can i simply change the apt-src to say stable after 30th or how should i do this? |
| 15:19.00 | netfrog | it's even nicer as the answers are same ;) |
| 15:19.10 | kurtak | now even if my eyes were crossed crazy, i could see that in 3D |
| 15:19.13 | macks | i'm trying to create a slipstreamed windowsxp service pack 2 cd. i integrated the sp on a windows box and copied the files back to linux where i have the burner. i want to extract the boot image from the original winxp cd and add that to the new iso so the cd is bootable. all web pages talk about using "isobuster" shareware on windows. how can i extract the necessary image and use xcdroast to do the same? |
| 15:19.20 | oZt | otherwise you'd have to try them all and see which one you like the most |
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| 15:19.33 | ttick | help log |
| 15:19.38 | ttick | mistell |
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| 15:20.07 | oZt | is atd a substitue for anacron? |
| 15:20.41 | netfrog | atd is for one time action |
| 15:20.42 | netfrog | anacron should just run what cron missed |
| 15:20.48 | oZt | Good |
| 15:21.03 | oZt | Then I don't need atd running, don't use at. |
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| 15:21.20 | netfrog | i've personally have bad experience with atd |
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| 15:21.39 | paulswm | I use at on Linux and Solaris, had no issues |
| 15:22.20 | netfrog | paulswm: it missed few runs. maybe that was me with incorrect usage ? unlikely but that might happen ... |
| 15:22.20 | oZt | Never used it. |
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| 15:23.14 | marjorie-t | . |
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| 15:23.54 | HansZ | Okay.. I've got something very weird here |
| 15:23.55 | paulswm | netfrog: the only time I've had a failure is when a Solaris syadmin put password aging on the account, and an at run disappeared from the spool directory on the day that the password expired |
| 15:24.04 | kie27 | got a rather strange error message after running cpanel, but can't believe that debian has malware in it, can someone explain... |
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| 15:24.10 | HansZ | my fglrx doesn't want to load, It gave me the message 'No matching device for BusID...' |
| 15:24.14 | kie27 | the message is Error connecting server 210.0.176.197:8899 |
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| 15:24.59 | marjorie-t | amaldo : Is a refresh problem, I did a google for the monitor, the best info i found was that it supports upto 80hz, so i set horiz to 30-70 and vert to 30-70... |
| 15:25.15 | netfrog | paulswm: i see. i'll experement with at again (later). |
| 15:25.29 | marjorie-t | but still loads of errors in the x log |
| 15:26.08 | paulswm | netfrog: can't really vouch for it on Linux, though, just use 'at now' occasionally |
| 15:26.10 | marjorie-t | every res it trys it jus said v refresh out of range, should iu just keep dropping it? |
| 15:26.58 | netfrog | paulswm: what 'at now' might be good for? run something not attached to tty? |
| 15:27.13 | paulswm | netfrog: Yes, exactly |
| 15:27.26 | amaldo | marjorie-t: Look for "Validated modes for display" in the XFree log. Check that the values are decent. |
| 15:27.27 | jethro | !beer me |
| 15:27.28 | paulswm | netfrog: batch task with redirected stdout |
| 15:27.57 | netfrog | paulswm: nice. instead of nohup i guess... |
| 15:28.10 | paulswm | netfrog: Yes, I prefer it |
| 15:28.19 | pzn | which tool can I use to put the line number at the begining of each line of a file? |
| 15:28.28 | netfrog | cat -n |
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| 15:29.52 | marjorie-t | hmm, when x starts i |
| 15:29.56 | oZt | what's the use of having a process no being associated with a tty? (just wondering) |
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| 15:30.27 | oZt | can't you just do command & ? |
| 15:30.30 | amaldo | marjorie-t: if it's a really crappy monitor, it could be that it only supports discrete values of VertRefresh. Try setting it to 60, instead of 50-80 |
| 15:30.31 | marjorie-t | sry, when x starts i see the screen fine a few time (between flashes) does this mean the values i have defined are wrong and x is trying others? |
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| 15:30.51 | marjorie-t | kk |
| 15:31.07 | netfrog | oZt: i think it still gets SIGHUP. don't remember exactly but it has issues. |
| 15:31.09 | amaldo | marjorie-t: you can check in the logfile to see which one Xfree is actually using. |
| 15:31.57 | oZt | netfrog, aha |
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| 15:34.02 | Glitch_Master | Now comments on my java problem, eh? |
| 15:34.32 | oZt | Don't know what it is, sry. |
| 15:34.41 | marjorie-t | amaldo: "nvidia0 virtual screen size determined to be 800 x 600" ? |
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| 15:35.29 | marjorie-t | amalso |
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| 15:35.58 | marjorie-t | sry this laptop has really pony kb "nvidia 0: setting mode "800x600" |
| 15:36.10 | amaldo | marjorie-t: That's the resolution, now go some lines up from that, and find out what frequencies it will be using for 800x600. It looks like this: "Default mode "800x600": ??MHz, xx KHz, yy Hz" xx is horizontal sync and yy is vertical refresh. |
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| 15:38.16 | amaldo | marjorie-t: The logfile is your friend. Some lines up you find also: "Using hsync range of ... kHz" and "Using vrefresh range of ... Hz" |
| 15:39.08 | Palantir | Any hint about this error? May 29 19:02:43 localhost mysqld[4544]: 050529 19:02:43 Can't start server: cannot resolve hostname!: No such file or directory |
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| 15:40.09 | marjorie-t | The default mode for CRT-0 (which is a difernt name than i gave it in x-config?!?) is 800 x 600 40 mhz 37.9 khz 60.3 hz |
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| 15:41.46 | amaldo | marjorie-t: CRT-0 is ok. (at least, that's what my log says here too). Funky, those values are pretty low, they should work even on a crappy monitor. |
| 15:42.26 | marjorie-t | yeah its wierd, i see the nvidia pic for a few seconds (it looks fine and @ right res) then it flicks back |
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| 15:44.04 | amaldo | marjorie-t: after it goes crazy, can you try changing resolutions with Ctrl-Alt-+ or Ctrl-Alt-- ? Maybe you'll get a working res. |
| 15:44.37 | marjorie-t | ill try i dont think its up for long enough b4 cannot start x msg comes tho |
| 15:45.19 | jetscreamer | did you read the log |
| 15:45.23 | amaldo | marjorie-t: Wait a minute. X dies? Are you sure it's finding your window manager? |
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| 15:45.55 | jetscreamer | did you read the log, and is this a fresh sarge install |
| 15:46.12 | amaldo | marjorie-t: naything funny at the end of ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 15:46.17 | sobersabre | is there a way to take a single audio track, a cue file and to create an audio CD out of it with tracks as in cue file ? |
| 15:46.36 | sobersabre | assuming the audio track contains all the data. |
| 15:46.38 | masoft | why Debian doesn't contain Eclipse ? |
| 15:47.01 | jetscreamer | oh, and what you call the monitor isn't what xfree calls the monitor, you made an alias |
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| 15:47.13 | sobersabre | masoft, why should it ? |
| 15:47.43 | marjorie-t | No joy, just the failed to initialise core devices msg |
| 15:47.43 | marjorie-t | would you have a look at my log if whacked it in pastebin, pretty plz :) |
| 15:47.54 | amaldo | marjorie-t: when the monitor can't handle the frequency, it says so on the screen, but normally the PC doesn't notice and keeps the X server up. (until you kill it with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to try again). |
| 15:48.00 | masoft | sobersabre, because Debian contains all useful programs :P |
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| 15:48.27 | marjorie-t | omg |
| 15:48.39 | marjorie-t | it was mouse! |
| 15:48.42 | marjorie-t | wtf! |
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| 15:48.45 | amaldo | lol |
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| 15:49.03 | marjorie-t | sry feel really stupid now |
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| 15:49.06 | marjorie-t | :) |
| 15:49.18 | ArCePi | lol |
| 15:49.54 | marjorie-t | , but it sais under the input bit "this core device wont stop x from starting" or something like that... |
| 15:49.58 | sobersabre | masoft, eclipse is very resource demanding and it also takes a lot of space on distribution media... i think it takes about 0.5GB. |
| 15:50.01 | jetscreamer | like i said, is this a fresh sarge install? |
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| 15:50.11 | marjorie-t | arrr |
| 15:50.18 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 15:50.18 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 15:50.21 | daxxar | How do I set the timezone on my debian-machine? |
| 15:50.22 | marjorie-t | amaldo : thanks for your help! |
| 15:50.44 | daxxar | Ah, nevermind. |
| 15:50.46 | jetscreamer | tzconfig |
| 15:50.48 | daxxar | dpkg had the answer. |
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| 15:51.17 | amaldo | marjorie-t: don't worry, next time you'll know. |
| 15:51.32 | marjorie-t | =/ bye for now :) |
| 15:51.41 | daxxar | Hm. Why is my clock one hour off. :O |
| 15:51.44 | jetscreamer | did you put it in /etc/modules so it would be loaded on reboots? |
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| 15:52.19 | jetscreamer | daxxar: when tz is wrong sometimes when you set it right it doesn't take into account daylight savings time, or at least that's happened here |
| 15:52.19 | Leonardo_Lopes | apt, debian ? |
| 15:52.20 | apt | i guess debian is an ASS-KICKING DISTRO! |
| 15:52.23 | Leonardo_Lopes | o.O |
| 15:52.52 | jetscreamer | !sing sunday |
| 15:52.52 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 15:52.55 | daxxar | jetscreamer, it's set to CEST, which is what I'm supposed to be in now (Central European Summer Time).. And it had been all along. :p |
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| 15:53.16 | daxxar | Ah, a quick ntpdate fixed it. Strange. |
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| 15:55.27 | jetscreamer | rooty toot toot |
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| 15:59.38 | paulswm | !qotd67 |
| 15:59.42 | dpkg | <TheCrazedLog> So anyone got any pearls of wisdom they care to pass on? <TheCrazedLog> that are relevant to my problem =P <sussudio> don't eat the yellow snow |
| 16:01.04 | paulswm | *drums fingers* |
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| 16:01.22 | netfrog | !quotd68 |
| 16:01.34 | ttick | what's the command to search apt-get for what I have installed already? |
| 16:01.37 | netfrog | !qotd68 |
| 16:01.37 | dpkg | i heard qotd68 is <debianstarfish> can i get to the internet from here? |
| 16:01.46 | Vegar | 6 hours to sarge is stable? |
| 16:01.51 | shingouz | ttick: *burp* food is good |
| 16:01.57 | jethro | ttick: dpkg -l , man dpkg |
| 16:02.02 | ttick | shingouz: hey, shin |
| 16:02.06 | ttick | jethro: thanks |
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| 16:02.18 | jim | what is burp food? what do you feed to a burp?? |
| 16:02.29 | Vegar | ttick: dpkg --get-selections works better IMO |
| 16:02.34 | shingouz | jim: :p |
| 16:02.45 | r3tr0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.55 | netfrog | if i have "tetsing" in my sources i'll get "sid" when i dist-upgrade tonight? |
| 16:03.05 | netfrog | *testing |
| 16:03.09 | caphuso | netfrog: no |
| 16:03.11 | paulswm | netfrog: no, sarge |
| 16:03.14 | jethro | Vegar: --get-selections doesn't tell you about the versions |
| 16:03.18 | caphuso | why would you even think that? |
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| 16:03.34 | aFlag | sarge is finally going to be stable? |
| 16:03.39 | netfrog | wouldn't be sid called testing when sarge is stable? |
| 16:03.46 | caphuso | netfrog: no |
| 16:03.46 | jethro | netfrog: definitely not |
| 16:03.53 | Vegar | jethro: no, but it gives you the full name of the packages |
| 16:03.55 | paulswm | netfrog: no |
| 16:03.57 | ttick | shingouz: okay, so I tried the alsaconf, but it just chugs my X windows |
| 16:03.57 | masoft | aFlag, in next month, yes (may be) |
| 16:03.58 | jethro | netfrog: sid will always remain sid |
| 16:03.59 | caphuso | netfrog: and sarge isn't going to be stable until at least next week |
| 16:04.09 | netfrog | so, how it goes? (link is enough) |
| 16:04.09 | Vegar | jethro: -l cuts the names |
| 16:04.09 | jethro | Vegar: so does dpkg -l when you know better |
| 16:04.11 | netfrog | oh... i see ;) |
| 16:04.20 | paulswm | Vegar: No it doesn't if you use COLUMNS |
| 16:04.27 | Vegar | oh |
| 16:04.33 | timo | netfrog, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:05.01 | netfrog | timo: thanks, reading |
| 16:05.05 | ttick | for those of you who didn't catch the beginning of this epic story: I'm trying to get my soundcard working on a ThinkPad 560z with the 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 16:05.06 | jim | netfrog: if you have "testing", you'll -presently- get sarge... when sarge releases, there may be a short period of time that "testing" is undefined (maybe days, maybe longer or shorter); etch is after sarge, so once it becomes testing, you'd get that |
| 16:05.13 | paulswm | Vegar: for example, 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l' |
| 16:05.24 | shingouz | ttick: lemme check how i did the configuration on my 600, this'll take a few minutes as the laptop is real busy at the moment but... hang in there |
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| 16:05.32 | Vegar | paulswm: smart |
| 16:05.51 | jim | it's also possible that the release of sarge will automatically and immediately cause etch to become testing |
| 16:05.55 | ttick | But meer fluke I had it working after discovering some modprobe lines, but then when I rebooted and tried to recreate my success, it get nojoy. :/ |
| 16:06.06 | ttick | shingouz: sure, np |
| 16:06.12 | geekux | hi, where can i get kernel 2.2 packages for debian stable (i386) that ship w/ APM support? (i already STFW but couldnt find anything helpful) |
| 16:06.32 | ttick | shingouz: though, we might have to postpone this for another time, since I need to leave for Austria in 15 mins. o.O |
| 16:06.33 | jim | sid, on the other hand, is -permanently- unstable; it will never be testing or stable |
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| 16:06.50 | jethro | Vegar: the only use I found so far for --get-selections is to 'clone' systems in terms of packages you install |
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| 16:07.20 | shingouz | ttick: really? in that case i guess you ened to hurry up and pack your bags! |
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| 16:07.35 | snadge | does anyone else get "Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Inappropriate ioctl for device" with debian packaged mplayer? |
| 16:07.56 | jethro | snadge: read what's just above the error message |
| 16:08.06 | jim | snadge: mplayer is packaged? |
| 16:08.09 | jetscreamer | debian packaged? |
| 16:08.13 | snadge | i've tried running as root, and the "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" thing |
| 16:08.23 | jethro | snadge: do you have a rtc? |
| 16:08.27 | jim | I don't think it can be, legally... |
| 16:08.34 | shingouz | ttick: /etc/modprobe.d/snd-cs4232: options snd-cs4232 port=??? cport=??? isapnp=0 dma1=? dma2=? irq=? |
| 16:08.41 | jetscreamer | it's a 3rd party .deb |
| 16:08.44 | netfrog | where are more faq's about naming conventions: sid,sarge,testing, etc? |
| 16:08.45 | ttick | shingouz: lol, yeah, I know. Grr. Well, you'll be around in a week, right? |
| 16:08.48 | jethro | jim: it is not packaged by debian, but there are 3rb party packages |
| 16:08.52 | snadge | yeah.. rtc module is loaded, there is a /dev/rtc |
| 16:08.52 | shingouz | ttick: then update-modules and remove and reinstall the modules |
| 16:08.58 | shingouz | ttick: i live here |
| 16:09.05 | ttick | shingouz: LOL |
| 16:09.20 | snadge | its a marillat package |
| 16:09.22 | ttick | shingouz: okay, so do you want me to put in the magic ?, or real information? |
| 16:09.25 | jim | so long as that part is understood :) |
| 16:09.28 | nickv111 | Hmm, for some reason, amaroK crashes on me after a few seconds |
| 16:09.29 | shingouz | ttick: my laptop has had OSS befire and the cs4232-file i told you about has to be from that time |
| 16:09.31 | nickv111 | It segfaults |
| 16:09.39 | shingouz | ttick: magic? |
| 16:09.53 | jim | snadge: so it's not actually a "debian-packaged" package :) |
| 16:09.54 | snadge | jim: marillat is the standard repository for illegal things :P |
| 16:09.58 | ttick | shingouz: hmm, I'm getting the evil eye from my wife. Okay, I guess I'll have to catch you when I get back fro Austria. |
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| 16:10.10 | ttick | shingouz: thanks for your help shin, hopefully we can solve this another time. |
| 16:10.13 | shingouz | ttick: real information, of course, i jsut used the ?'s there so that you get some idea |
| 16:10.19 | shingouz | ttick: i'll be here |
| 16:10.19 | nickv111 | Unfortunately, I am unable to get a proper backtrace because the binaries are stripped and I get errors when compiling it using a debian source package |
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| 16:10.41 | shingouz | ttick: you have fun in austria and dont break your leg if you ski |
| 16:10.45 | snadge | jim: perhaps a new debian directory should be created.. along the lines of "non-free" and "contrib" .. maybe something like "warez" or "illegal" ;0 |
| 16:10.45 | nickv111 | I believe that the segfault occurs in liboil |
| 16:10.58 | giupy | i have launched an app that is crahed, i have killed it with xkill but now i have soundcard still occupied, what can i do ? |
| 16:11.03 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.07 | jim | snadge: heh... and who'd distribute that? |
| 16:11.16 | ttick | shingouz: lol, no skiing. Just coffee house hopping. :) |
| 16:11.29 | snadge | jim: marillat doesnt seem to have a problem with it? |
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| 16:11.34 | jetscreamer | snadge: that would be 'marillat' :o |
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| 16:11.52 | shingouz | ttick: ok, dont get a caffeine poisoning (which is pretty impossible to get as you happen to be a hacker) ;) |
| 16:12.03 | chaps0063 | can someone help me to get my scroll working on my touch pad? |
| 16:12.37 | shingouz | chaps0063: the only pointer i can give is you should install the synaptics driver. apt-cache search synaptics |
| 16:12.44 | jim | snadge: ok, np there... but I do have a point here, that such a package isn't maintained officially, so (for example) you won't see mplayer bugs in the debian bts |
| 16:12.59 | jim | does marrilat have a bts? |
| 16:13.03 | chaps0063 | shingouz, ok, thanks. |
| 16:13.12 | jetscreamer | 1 r 2 l's |
| 16:13.18 | jim | spled et rong |
| 16:13.22 | masoft | chaps0063, I need you need add zaxis to xfree86-4.conf |
| 16:13.27 | jetscreamer | that's worng |
| 16:13.35 | snadge | good question.. this rtc "bug" has been there for ages.. and its only just now starting to irritate me.. google doesnt seem to turn up much info |
| 16:13.53 | chaps0063 | masoft, thats what I need to do? where is xfree86-4.conf located? |
| 16:13.54 | jetscreamer | snadge: they left it for you to fix |
| 16:14.03 | jetscreamer | /etc/X11 |
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| 16:14.07 | jim | snadge: I wonder if it's because you don't have rtc in your kernel? |
| 16:14.12 | masoft | chaps0063, /etc/X11 |
| 16:14.20 | snadge | jim: i have an rtc module loaded.. |
| 16:14.26 | jetscreamer | and if you edit your xf86config-4 by hand drxx won't work unless you md5sum it |
| 16:14.33 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 16:14.38 | jim | or that mplayer needs to be rebuilt against your running kernel's headers? |
| 16:14.38 | jetscreamer | i knew a meep |
| 16:14.41 | chaps0063 | masoft, ok... |
| 16:14.51 | jo-cafe | Hi. How to specify for APT to use single "Packages" file from my http lan server? I have 15 ISO images wich I "extracted" into 15 dirs (iso-1, iso-2 etc) and I created Packages file. |
| 16:14.56 | jetscreamer | wtf is a meep, anyways? |
| 16:14.56 | chaps0063 | I have zaxis mapping in there |
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| 16:15.01 | snadge | jim: theres a point.. i could try the source package of mplayer |
| 16:15.10 | jetscreamer | jo-cafe: apt-pinning perhaps |
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| 16:15.16 | jim | jetscreamer: somethign a road runner might say |
| 16:15.26 | robin_sz | jetscreamer: its the noise a small cute furry animal makes when looking for food |
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| 16:15.38 | robin_sz | jim: wrong, thats "MEEP MEEP!" |
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| 16:15.55 | masoft | chaps0063, add Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" in Section inputdevice ;) |
| 16:15.56 | jetscreamer | i always thought roadrunner said beepbeep |
| 16:15.57 | jim | (meep)* |
| 16:16.04 | chaps0063 | masoft, its in there. |
| 16:16.42 | masoft | chaps0063, what's the protocol there ? |
| 16:16.47 | chaps0063 | PS/2 |
| 16:17.02 | masoft | chaps0063, change it to ImPS/2 |
| 16:17.15 | jim | (meep){2}? |
| 16:17.23 | chaps0063 | do i have to restart x? |
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| 16:17.27 | masoft | chaps0063, after restarting X may work correctly. |
| 16:17.39 | chaps0063 | what is the best way to restart X, most efficient? |
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| 16:18.05 | masoft | chaps0063, logout and then press ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 16:18.09 | chaps0063 | ok, thanks. |
| 16:18.09 | jim | if you changed your x config file in any way, you'd have to restart x to get it to reread it |
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| 16:18.54 | aFlag | no matter what i do i always get kernel panic when i compile my new kernel. I even copied the config file from the working kernel and compiled the new one with it unchanged, and i still got the kernel panic. It happens when it uses VFS, but it doesn't seem to be on my log files, at least grep -Ri "kernel panic" /var/log/ didn't get anything. |
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| 16:19.36 | JohnnyST | aFlag: When you boot or? |
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| 16:19.42 | CloneDrop | Hello, anybody here that has problems with Kaffeine as well since last sarge updates? |
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| 16:19.47 | chaps0063 | masoft, no luck. |
| 16:19.54 | jim | aFlag: you get a kernel panic when you -compile- a kernel? |
| 16:20.05 | aFlag | no |
| 16:20.10 | aFlag | when i try to init it |
| 16:20.18 | masoft | chaps0063, really ? |
| 16:20.24 | chaps0063 | really...it doesn't work. |
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| 16:20.36 | aeho | How I can give rights to a normal user to change files in /mnt/gogear/_system/media/audio dir? |
| 16:20.40 | aFlag | it says theres something wrong with root= it can't mount it or something |
| 16:20.48 | masoft | chaps0063, may there is more than one inputdevice in Xfree86conf |
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| 16:20.59 | chaps0063 | masoft, ok. |
| 16:21.01 | masoft | chaps0063, check that there is just one |
| 16:21.08 | mwilson | aeho: man chmod, man chown |
| 16:21.12 | aFlag | but the menu.lst file looks exactly the same as the working kernel one |
| 16:21.20 | Isumi | aFlag, you probably forgot to say Y to IDE options or fs options |
| 16:21.20 | aFlag | and i compiled it with make-kpkg |
| 16:21.23 | chaps0063 | masoft, ok. |
| 16:21.40 | jim | aeho: is that volume to be mounted there permanently? |
| 16:21.49 | aeho | yep |
| 16:22.05 | astronut | X forwarding via ssh somehow just borked on my server (used to work fine). I tested with two different computers as clients, still get the same error, "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.".... |
| 16:22.07 | Isumi | aFlag, or you need to make an initrd perhaps |
| 16:22.08 | aeho | sorry, NOT |
| 16:22.09 | chaps0063 | masoft, nothing else in there... |
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| 16:22.24 | jim | not permanently? |
| 16:22.25 | hackeron | !il |
| 16:22.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, il is Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable fucktards. |
| 16:22.45 | aeho | that is my mp3 player, it isn't mounted permanently |
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| 16:22.57 | masoft | chaps0063, your mouse has 2 button or 3 ? |
| 16:23.16 | jim | when you mount it, who owns the files therein? |
| 16:23.23 | chaps0063 | masoft, left/right and a "vertical rocker" in the middle. |
| 16:23.52 | masoft | chaps0063, try "3 4" instead of "4 5" and restart again :P |
| 16:23.57 | aeho | I just want to be able to copy files to that dir via konqueror |
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| 16:24.15 | aeho | jim, "root" I guess |
| 16:24.38 | jim | aeho: make sure; don't guess |
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| 16:24.50 | chaps0063 | masoft, ok thanks...I guess after i get this working, my next goal will be the Tablet portion.. |
| 16:25.00 | jim | you're trying to diagnose a problem; don't guess at its symptoms |
| 16:25.02 | aFlag | Isumi, i thought too that was the problem, but i copied the config from the working stock kernel and the only thing i've changed was the processor family |
| 16:25.03 | aeho | how to make sure - I'm linux novice so I don't know |
| 16:25.06 | aFlag | still it didn't work |
| 16:25.17 | jim | take a look at man ls |
| 16:25.17 | Inglorion | i am trying to build a package, but the .deb does not include any of the files the program installs. what did i do wrong? |
| 16:25.21 | oKtosiTe | aeho, it's possible to mount things non-root, even from fstab. |
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| 16:25.42 | oKtosiTe | aeho, ls -l /your/mount/dir |
| 16:25.44 | chaps0063 | masoft, back...checking. |
| 16:26.15 | chaps0063 | masoft, now my buttons are all screwed up. |
| 16:26.17 | r3tr0 | aeho: if it's mounting as vfat you can pass perms in fstab...? |
| 16:26.24 | jim | Inglorion: you have to make a temp dir and arrange for the install target to put files there.... |
| 16:26.42 | jim | usually you would have a DESTDIR var |
| 16:26.43 | aeho | jim, It's owner is root |
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| 16:27.22 | Inglorion | jim: the files are installed to debian/package/usr/... no problem |
| 16:27.30 | masoft | chaps0063, what's going on ? |
| 16:27.32 | Inglorion | jim: just that they somehow don't make it to the deb |
| 16:27.38 | chaps0063 | now my buttons aren't working right. |
| 16:27.41 | levander | I see the -M tar option to specify multi-volume archives, but how do you tell it how many bytes you want in a volume? I want them small enough so that each volume fits on a CD. |
| 16:27.42 | masoft | your buttons not work ? |
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| 16:27.50 | masoft | chaps0063, your button not works ? |
| 16:27.53 | chaps0063 | nope. |
| 16:27.56 | jim | Inglorion: do you know how to pull a .deb apart by hand? |
| 16:27.57 | chaps0063 | brb, i changed it back. |
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| 16:28.05 | aeho | oh, I got it to work, nothing to ask anymore |
| 16:28.09 | Inglorion | jim: yes |
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| 16:28.29 | jim | Inglorion: when you try, what's in the data tarball? nothing? |
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| 16:28.54 | jim | are you using debhelper? |
| 16:29.04 | Inglorion | jim: yes, i am |
| 16:29.12 | jim | ok |
| 16:29.25 | Inglorion | jim: data.tar.gz contains only the files that are automatically installed |
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| 16:29.38 | masoft | chaps0063, I have no Idea ! |
| 16:29.39 | Inglorion | as in, changelog, copyright, and the like |
| 16:29.43 | chaps0063 | masoft, everything is back and working except for the scroll buttons. |
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| 16:30.03 | Inglorion | so none of the files i want to install to sbin and share are there |
| 16:30.08 | jim | ok, somehow it's not beign told to tar up your files |
| 16:30.08 | masoft | chaps0063, take a tour in Internet, may find something |
| 16:30.16 | chaps0063 | can someone give me a hand to get my tablet portion working? |
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| 16:30.22 | jim | maybe the dir has to be named something specific (no, that can't be it) |
| 16:30.31 | bai | there doesn't seem to be a raidtools package - last one I can find is with woody. is there some new and better way of doing software raid that the HOWTO just hasn't been updated with yet? |
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| 16:30.50 | jim | maybe you have to tell some debhelper proglet where that dir is |
| 16:30.52 | aFlag | Isumi, what you mean by making an initrd? Isn't it made for me by make-kpkg? |
| 16:30.52 | bai | er, doesn't seem to be a raidtools package in unstable or testing, that is |
| 16:31.13 | r3tr0 | bai: mdadm - but haven't switched to it yet... |
| 16:31.33 | Inglorion | i don't know...it creates the staging directory inside the debian/ dir, just like you would expect |
| 16:31.38 | snadge | btw everyone.. i know nobody cares but it seems if "CONFIG_HPET_RTC_IRQ=y" is set in your kernel.. it undefs RTC_IRQ, which is what is needed to support rtc_irqp_set ioctl ;) |
| 16:31.38 | bai | r3tr0: well according to the howto I'm supposed to use both, heh |
| 16:31.39 | Inglorion | the files are installed there |
| 16:31.54 | Inglorion | and then, indeed, they are not tarred into the .deb |
| 16:32.03 | jim | hmm... |
| 16:32.07 | jetscreamer | !info raidtools2 |
| 16:32.15 | Inglorion | i'm just following steps in the New Maintainers Guide |
| 16:32.26 | Isumi | aFlag, I dont know, it cant work without an initrd if you havent say yes to CONFIG_IDE, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE, CONFIG_EXT2_FS and all that is needed to mount the root partition |
| 16:32.29 | Inglorion | i can do it by hand, but i wanted to do it the proper way |
| 16:32.30 | jim | ok, look over your debian/rules |
| 16:32.39 | bai | on nevermind - up at the top it has instructions for installing both and doesn't specify if it's an either/or thing. later on they give instructions for both commands |
| 16:32.54 | jim | it seems your makefile install target is working... |
| 16:32.55 | Isumi | aFlag, personnally I had said yes to these options to make it work |
| 16:32.56 | jetscreamer | !info raidutils |
| 16:33.01 | dpkg | raidutils: (Adaptec I2O hardware RAID management utilities), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.4-5 (sid), Packaged size: 204 kB, Installed size: 532 kB |
| 16:33.01 | Inglorion | yes |
| 16:33.15 | r3tr0 | !info mdadm |
| 16:33.20 | dpkg | mdadm: (Manage MD devices aka Linux Software Raid), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.9.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
| 16:33.31 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg info/find blah |
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| 16:34.25 | Inglorion | jim: what am i looking for in the rules file? |
| 16:34.32 | jetscreamer | hey look it's jethro http://linuxdevices.com/files/misc/wrestlers.jpg |
| 16:34.34 | Isumi | aFlag, or maybe you should try with the --initrd option of make-kpkg |
| 16:34.43 | Inglorion | jim: one of the dh_install* commands? |
| 16:34.44 | jim | Inglorion: probably you have to go thru the binary target |
| 16:34.44 | r3tr0 | *installs mdadm - waits for magic smoke...* |
| 16:34.49 | aFlag | hum |
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| 16:35.21 | jim | to find out why it's leaving out files |
| 16:35.48 | aFlag | i used the exactly .config of the working kernel and it has CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE set to m, would it need the --initrd? |
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| 16:36.08 | Isumi | aFlag, I think that it needs it |
| 16:36.22 | jim | it's been awhile since I used debhelper, so I dont' remember the specifics |
| 16:36.57 | jim | this isn't weird, like one source package that makes many debian packages? |
| 16:37.05 | Inglorion | no |
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| 16:37.41 | oKtosiTe | What will happen to my testing installation after the sarge release? |
| 16:37.41 | Inglorion | it's just one binary and a couple of files that go in share |
| 16:37.48 | jim | that should be a very straightforward case |
| 16:37.59 | Inglorion | that's what i was thinking, too |
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| 16:38.14 | Inglorion | maybe i tell you the steps i take |
| 16:38.19 | nitrogino | Hi all |
| 16:38.23 | Inglorion | and then you can tell me what i'm missing? |
| 16:38.31 | jim | look at the output of lintian /path/to/<yourpackagefilename> |
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| 16:39.00 | univac | hi |
| 16:39.08 | univac | i want make my own distro for ipaq based on debian |
| 16:39.10 | univac | and i cant find base system iso for arm |
| 16:39.17 | univac | where i can find it? |
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| 16:39.46 | Inglorion | jim: gives me a bunch of errors about not being able to remove directories |
| 16:39.55 | jim | univac: maybe there's not an iso containing the base... you'd have to find the list of packages and get those |
| 16:40.00 | Inglorion | device or resource busy |
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| 16:40.07 | Inglorion | may be due to this being on NFS? |
| 16:40.21 | jim | nfs?? |
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| 16:40.26 | larsJ | If i dont want to use bind or bind9 what can i use else?.. I need a DNS server to make RDNS for my ips... Anyone know a good program etc with a webinterface? |
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| 16:40.32 | jim | wait, how is this on nfs? |
| 16:40.35 | univac | hmm |
| 16:40.44 | Inglorion | i don't have a hard drive in the system |
| 16:40.53 | Inglorion | so i'm running over nfs |
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| 16:41.10 | jim | that could be the problem; not sure |
| 16:41.15 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 16:41.20 | jim | it doesn't seem like it would be |
| 16:41.25 | oKtosiTe | hello nullvoid |
| 16:41.25 | Inglorion | doesn't make sense to me |
| 16:41.27 | bai | univac: look into debootstrap |
| 16:41.29 | jim | meetoo |
| 16:41.31 | r3tr0 | Inglorion: squashroot? |
| 16:41.36 | Inglorion | all it needs to do is tar the files, right? |
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| 16:41.50 | robewald | hi |
| 16:41.56 | jim | but stranger things have happened... can you run this on a system with a local disk just to eliminate the possibility? |
| 16:42.05 | univac | i want make my distro in dir (chroot) |
| 16:42.11 | Inglorion | r3tr0: root is root |
| 16:42.14 | bai | yeah, debootstrap will do that for you |
| 16:42.22 | nullvoid | I just downloaded couples of .r00 until .r47, which also contains a file with .rar, how do I merge this files? |
| 16:42.26 | univac | ok, thanks |
| 16:42.29 | robewald | what program can be used to print specimen of all installed fonts? |
| 16:42.49 | Inglorion | jim: i could |
| 16:42.50 | nullvoid | I just downloaded couples of .r00 until .r47, which also contains a file with .rar, or how can extract all these rar files |
| 16:42.53 | luulis | nullvoid: you dont, you unrar the first file |
| 16:42.56 | robewald | nullvoid: use unrar x |
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| 16:43.03 | robewald | *.rar |
| 16:43.18 | jim | Inglorion: give that a shot, just to prove I'm nuts here... |
| 16:43.21 | Inglorion | think i'll do that and get back here when it still doesn't work |
| 16:43.31 | nullvoid | luulis: how to know which one is the first? |
| 16:43.51 | paulswm | nullvoid: rar e filename.r01 |
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| 16:44.04 | Inglorion | and i promise: one day i'm gonna be a nice guy and _not_ ask a question that nobody can answer... |
| 16:44.05 | paulswm | I think that's the way that pr0n usually works |
| 16:44.11 | luulis | nullvoid: if they all have the same name its probably .rar .r00 or .r01 |
| 16:44.13 | paulswm | :P |
| 16:44.55 | nullvoid | luulis: yes they have same file name |
| 16:45.20 | nullvoid | paulswm: rar e filename.r01 or unrar? |
| 16:45.27 | toresbe | nullvoid: rar e |
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| 16:45.33 | paulswm | nullvoid: rar e |
| 16:45.37 | toresbe | nullvoid: unrar handles not multiple files very well |
| 16:45.46 | paulswm | If I meant unrar, I wouldn't have said rar e |
| 16:45.47 | bai | sure it does |
| 16:45.51 | Phated | toresbe handles not English very well. |
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| 16:46.20 | paulswm | !qotd114 |
| 16:46.21 | dpkg | methinks qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 16:46.28 | jim | Phated handles not unsarcastic very well... |
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| 16:46.55 | paulswm | Phated si teh winz0r |
| 16:46.57 | toresbe | Phated: huh? |
| 16:47.04 | oKtosiTe | nullvoid: there are open-source and non-free rar extractors available in Debian |
| 16:47.18 | paulswm | oKtosiTe: Yes |
| 16:47.36 | nullvoid | oKtosiTe: what is't please share |
| 16:47.50 | paulswm | oKtosiTe: shareware rar is in non-free/utils |
| 16:48.02 | bai | I tend to stick with the non-free one because they always seem to love changing the rar format to make it less backwards compatible |
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| 16:49.21 | oKtosiTe | nullvoid: sadly the non-free version usually works better, but you need to have non-free sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list, rar is non-free, unrar is free I think |
| 16:49.44 | jim | ls -l |
| 16:49.57 | nichos | apt tell nichos about dvd |
| 16:50.17 | oKtosiTe | nullvoid: use the first file with rar, it cannot be called r01, that's the second file in the range |
| 16:50.18 | nichos | apt tell nichos about dvd recording |
| 16:50.24 | r3tr0 | are rsync stalls a known issue, or am i a QoS bonehead? |
| 16:50.40 | nichos | apt tell nichos about dvdr |
| 16:50.43 | oKtosiTe | nullvoid: file-roller (gtk) works well for me |
| 16:51.08 | jim | nichos: there's an easier, QUIETER, less-typing way to do that: /msg apt dvdr |
| 16:51.29 | nullvoid | oKtosiTe: which file should I double click to use the file-roller |
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| 16:51.53 | oKtosiTe | nullvoid: yourfile.rar, and not yourfile.rXX |
| 16:52.33 | nullvoid | oKtosiTe: it complain |
| 16:52.39 | nullvoid | oKtosiTe: not working |
| 16:52.52 | jim | that doesn't help us |
| 16:52.55 | nullvoid | unrar: invalid option -- c |
| 16:52.55 | nullvoid | Try `unrar --help' or `unrar --usage' for more information. |
| 16:52.56 | oKtosiTe | nullvoid: but do you have the non-free rar binaries installed? |
| 16:53.05 | nullvoid | not yet |
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| 16:53.17 | nullvoid | what is the source list for non-free? |
| 16:53.33 | jim | man 5 sources.list |
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| 16:53.36 | chaps0063 | Has anyone had luck getting a tablet working in linux? |
| 16:53.42 | Phated | Add "non-free" after "main" in your sources. |
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| 16:55.16 | oKtosiTe | nullvoid: add "contrib non-free" to the lines that have main at the end, like: "deb ftp://download.xs4all.nl/pub/mirror/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" and then do "apt-get update" |
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| 16:56.48 | nullvoid | ok guys |
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| 16:59.30 | nullvoid | thanks all |
| 16:59.45 | oKtosiTe | nullvoid: any luck? |
| 16:59.51 | oKtosiTe | d'oh! |
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| 17:02.07 | peritus | grep 2.5.1.ds1-4, what does ds mean? |
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| 17:04.12 | trygvebw | Hi |
| 17:04.22 | trygvebw | How can i find a list of the largest (in MB) packages installed? |
| 17:04.32 | commodude28 | if Sarge isnt out yet, why do I have it on the other computer? |
| 17:04.38 | websdale | Hello everyone,I have a very annoying usb wireless mouse problem - mouse cursor moves for 1-2 secs then stops & I have to click it to get it to move |
| 17:04.57 | peritus | commodude28: it has been out for a couple of years for testing, you are not alone |
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| 17:04.59 | trygvebw | commodude28, because it's in testing... |
| 17:05.33 | websdale | It has only just started - it didn't used to do it & used to work fine |
| 17:05.51 | trygvebw | virtually nobody use Stable on a desktop.. |
| 17:06.02 | peritus | ooh, sarge might be released tomorrow :) |
| 17:06.07 | trygvebw | it *mightÆ |
| 17:06.08 | trygvebw | it *might* |
| 17:06.14 | Inglorion | lol |
| 17:06.18 | websdale | I asked twice yesterday but no-one had a suggestion |
| 17:06.19 | trygvebw | but i don't think it will ;) |
| 17:06.51 | oKtosiTe | peritus: postponed till 06-06 |
| 17:07.04 | ama | the same date duke nukem forever will be released |
| 17:07.06 | peritus | oKtosiTe: oh okey |
| 17:07.26 | ama | j/k |
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| 17:07.33 | oKtosiTe | peritus: I'm looking forward to it too |
| 17:07.41 | r3tr0 | websdale: are you using gpm? |
| 17:07.49 | peritus | i guess we are not alone oKtosiTe :) |
| 17:07.54 | paulswm | commodude28: Erm, because you installed it on the other computer? sarge has been available for years. |
| 17:07.58 | ama | have a question on debian releases |
| 17:08.00 | jethro | commodude28: because you live in the future |
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| 17:08.14 | websdale | r3tr0: yes - I tried stoppong gpm & also restarting it , to no avail |
| 17:08.22 | alekzandr | i want to install drupal on a server running woody, what is the best way to upgrade php? |
| 17:08.23 | ama | i know sarge by default will use 2.6.8.1 with debian patches, but say if a newer kernel comes out during sarge |
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| 17:08.32 | ama | will that newer kernel be supported in stable |
| 17:08.41 | trygvebw | probably not |
| 17:08.43 | ama | so i can just upgrade my kernel with a command |
| 17:08.44 | peritus | you can compile it yourself |
| 17:08.47 | r3tr0 | websdale: what's the "relay to X" mode set to? raw? |
| 17:08.52 | ama | how about testing? |
| 17:08.57 | jethro | ama: sarge will use 2.6.8 |
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| 17:09.01 | websdale | r3tr0: thing is, It was fine for a month at least - this is a new bug |
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| 17:09.10 | ama | yeah i know jethro |
| 17:09.14 | trygvebw | what's the sarge+1 release called again? |
| 17:09.20 | peritus | etch |
| 17:09.20 | Isumi | etch? |
| 17:09.21 | websdale | r3tr0: relay to X was set to ms3 now none i think |
| 17:09.29 | ama | but say if a newer kernel is released, will it use that instead? |
| 17:09.31 | Inglorion | trygvebw sid? |
| 17:09.39 | trygvebw | Inglorion, Ubuntu :) |
| 17:09.46 | Inglorion | lol |
| 17:09.46 | trygvebw | but nobody answered on #ubuntu :( |
| 17:09.46 | jethro | ama: I think you need to get the source packages from testing but I might be wrong |
| 17:09.59 | trygvebw | and they are very similar so... |
| 17:10.05 | Inglorion | ubuntu has already released a few before sarge... |
| 17:10.06 | ivalladt | ama, you will be able to package yourself any newer kernel, you won't need them to be supported by sarge |
| 17:10.10 | cbr | is there any boot option to change the default kernel charset? |
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| 17:10.13 | r3tr0 | websdale: try changing it to raw, or switching it OFF if you don't use mouse in CLI mode... |
| 17:10.15 | dawg | ama, that is not the most recent kernel already |
| 17:10.18 | Inglorion | trygvebw: similar, but not compatible, i hear |
| 17:10.19 | trygvebw | Inglorion, oh wait |
| 17:10.30 | trygvebw | Inglorion, i thought you responded to my first question :) |
| 17:10.36 | ama | so the only way to update, is to update manually? |
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| 17:10.38 | trygvebw | Inglorion, i was wondering about sarge+1... |
| 17:10.44 | trygvebw | debian ;) |
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| 17:10.55 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 17:11.04 | barisa | ls |
| 17:11.07 | peritus | what does "ds" mean in package-versions? like grep 2.5.1.ds1-4 |
| 17:11.07 | trygvebw | hoary+1 is called breezy... |
| 17:11.20 | Inglorion | trygvebw: sid is the release after sarge, afaik |
| 17:11.24 | peritus | trygvebw: etch |
| 17:11.25 | Mayhem | etch |
| 17:11.25 | paulswm | trygvebw: etch |
| 17:11.26 | trygvebw | Inglorion, nope |
| 17:11.31 | peritus | Inglorion: sid will always be unstable |
| 17:11.31 | Inglorion | damn |
| 17:11.33 | trygvebw | peritus, paulswm, thanks :) |
| 17:11.38 | Riggzy | hey |
| 17:11.44 | Inglorion | i'm so thick today |
| 17:11.45 | trygvebw | Riggzy, hi |
| 17:12.26 | ama | say if i am running woody, can i upgrade to sarge in just a few commands? |
| 17:12.30 | websdale | r3tr0: I tried that before but maybe I didn't restart X then - I'll give it another go - thanks for listening :) |
| 17:12.37 | trygvebw | ama, yes |
| 17:12.41 | ivalladt | ama, yes |
| 17:12.46 | jethro | ama: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 17:12.47 | trygvebw | one command, in fact ;) |
| 17:12.50 | Riggzy | got a few install Qs |
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| 17:12.58 | trygvebw | Riggzy, just ask :) |
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| 17:13.02 | Riggzy | alrighty lol |
| 17:13.04 | r3tr0 | websdale: luck |
| 17:13.19 | websdale | r3tr0: cheers |
| 17:13.58 | yarddog | after sarge is released, tomorrow maybe, will i need to change my source list to stable from testing? |
| 17:14.01 | Riggzy | firstly - when I get to tasksel (if thats what its called), a black screen pops up for a split second (which I'm guessing is tasksel), then it asks if I want the package selector... so, I cant install an X window system or anything |
| 17:14.19 | streuner | yarddog: in that case - no. |
| 17:14.19 | trygvebw | yarddog, yes |
| 17:14.20 | paolob | Hi guys! I have to change a hd which is too little, and I have to pass all the files of that hd to another. What is the best way in order to copy everything so that it is going to be exactly equal on the new disk? thank you! |
| 17:14.22 | jethro | yarddog: what do you have at the moment? |
| 17:14.32 | yarddog | jethro: i have testing, sarge |
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| 17:14.49 | streuner | yarddog: if you want testing you need to edit it |
| 17:14.58 | yarddog | i have testing |
| 17:15.04 | yarddog | i have sarge |
| 17:15.07 | yarddog | see above |
| 17:15.14 | jethro | yarddog: you have 'testing' or 'sarge' |
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| 17:15.21 | yarddog | testing IS sarge |
| 17:15.23 | streuner | yarddog: in your sources.list? |
| 17:15.24 | jethro | yarddog: leaving sarge will have you track stable |
| 17:15.37 | jethro | yarddog: having 'testing' and not 'sarge' will have you keep on tracking testing |
| 17:15.44 | yarddog | so should i change testing to sarge in the source list |
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| 17:16.02 | streuner | yarddog: scroll up |
| 17:16.07 | jethro | yarddog: it all depends on what you want |
| 17:16.08 | yarddog | its quite confusing |
| 17:16.15 | yarddog | i just want sarge |
| 17:16.29 | amorphix | hi i have a question: Ive just built a new kernel and ive got to the stage copying the compressed image to the root dir, is it necessary to do that? |
| 17:16.36 | jethro | yarddog: so make sure you don't have 'testing' but 'sarge' in you sources.list |
| 17:16.50 | jethro | s/you sou/your sou/ |
| 17:16.58 | yarddog | jethro: but only as of the official release, right? |
| 17:17.03 | Xuse | just stay with testing. until the 6th or whatever |
| 17:17.17 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 17:17.20 | jethro | yarddog: no if you want sarge, just use sarge, then you won't have to worry |
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| 17:17.35 | yarddog | jethro: in other words, dont change it in sources until the official release? |
| 17:17.36 | trygvebw | sarge is rock stable... |
| 17:17.36 | jethro | yarddog: if you want to keep using testing once sarge is out, don't use 'sarge' but 'testing' |
| 17:17.43 | yarddog | ok |
| 17:17.47 | jethro | yarddog: in other words read what we tell you :) |
| 17:17.51 | yarddog | i am, sorry |
| 17:17.54 | ama | do i still have to use that tool to download debian releases |
| 17:17.57 | yarddog | im just a bit anxious |
| 17:18.00 | ama | whatever its called, cant remember |
| 17:18.07 | jethro | ama: jigdo? |
| 17:18.08 | paulswm | It's really not confusing. If you point at testing, you are pointing to a release type. If you point at the codename, you are pointing to a specific version, no matter what the type, hence you would follow sarge from testing to stable if you are pointing at sarge. |
| 17:18.09 | trygvebw | ama, rsync? |
| 17:18.10 | Dathon | Hi all ;=D |
| 17:18.11 | ama | it finds mirrors or something |
| 17:18.15 | Mayhem | ama, the internet? |
| 17:18.18 | trygvebw | ama, why not apt-get? |
| 17:18.20 | ama | yeah jigdo, probably |
| 17:18.39 | ama | well i dont have a debian system, though i think debian would be easier to maintain on my older fileserver than gentoo |
| 17:18.41 | jethro | ama: weren't you talking about dist-upgrading? |
| 17:18.44 | ama | i used to use debian though |
| 17:18.51 | jethro | !d-i ama |
| 17:18.51 | dpkg | ama, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 17:19.02 | ama | well jethro, i dont really want to have to upgrade this system, by compiling |
| 17:19.16 | ama | much easier to binary upgrade, so thats why im thinking about debian |
| 17:19.19 | jethro | ama: who's talking about compiling? |
| 17:19.22 | ama | i am |
| 17:19.26 | ama | with gentoo |
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| 17:19.32 | oKtosiTe | yarddog: if you don't want to go cutting-edge after sarge goes "stable" have sarge, if you want to stay cutting-edge, keep testing |
| 17:19.32 | Dathon | Seems, the discussion is what I'm curious to know. I'm torn on using Fedora on my laptop vs Debian. No flames please, just seeking good opion and any links are appreciated. ;=D |
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| 17:19.42 | jethro | ama: I mean't dist-upgrading a debian system, you asked about woody->sarge didn't you? |
| 17:19.44 | trygvebw | Dathon, Ubuntu :) |
| 17:19.48 | ama | yeah jethro |
| 17:19.49 | yarddog | oKtosiTe: got it, thank you |
| 17:19.56 | Xuse | down with ubuntu! |
| 17:19.56 | trygvebw | Debian and Fedora is quite different... |
| 17:20.06 | trygvebw | Dathon, Ubuntu is Debian for the desktop :) |
| 17:20.06 | paulswm | Dathon: you are asking for a recommendation in #debian. What do you think we are going to say? |
| 17:20.07 | Dathon | Really? |
| 17:20.12 | oKtosiTe | yarddog: no problem |
| 17:20.14 | Riggzy | Anyone know why my install is screwing up? It skips the tasksel section (so I cant install X WIndow or anything) |
| 17:20.19 | paulswm | ubuntu !=debian |
| 17:20.21 | Dathon | I know, I know .. but just some quick reasons why .. |
| 17:20.24 | clinton | Quick question: How can I prevent the floppy module from being loaded via hotplug or discover? |
| 17:20.32 | jethro | ama: to install debian /msg dpkg d-i, to dist uprade from woody to sarge, /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 17:20.53 | jethro | s/upr/upgr/ |
| 17:20.54 | Inglorion | jim: i finally figured what's going wrong with my package building |
| 17:20.55 | streuner | clinton: very easy, just remove hotplug and discover |
| 17:21.03 | clinton | streuner, funny |
| 17:21.06 | Dathon | As a desktop sys, do you feel it's as up to date as it should be? I know server rocks, np there. |
| 17:21.07 | Inglorion | jim: the problem was that i deleted debian/compat |
| 17:21.15 | ama | i remember debians old installer, it was terrible and confusing |
| 17:21.23 | ama | rather just not use one |
| 17:21.26 | jethro | ama: that's why you want to try d-i |
| 17:21.27 | streuner | clinton: yes, or blacklist modules |
| 17:21.30 | ama | yeah |
| 17:21.34 | Inglorion | jim: so it wasn't an NFS problem after all |
| 17:21.40 | clinton | streuner, ok, where can I blacklist the modules? |
| 17:21.53 | streuner | clinton: /etc/hotplug/ |
| 17:21.55 | jethro | ama: d-i is the new installer |
| 17:21.57 | clinton | thank you |
| 17:22.01 | streuner | np |
| 17:22.01 | ama | yeah i know |
| 17:22.08 | ama | ive heard all the good news about it |
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| 17:22.37 | paulswm | Dathon: debian is better. package and dependencies management, huge number of packages, classified based on licensing, upgrades easy, etc, etc, there is simply no comparison IMO, they are in completely different classes. |
| 17:23.05 | ama | id agree with paulswm |
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| 17:23.09 | Xuse | Ubuntu just takes debians newest (unreleased) features and labels it their own imo. |
| 17:23.20 | Riggzy | Anyone know why my install is messing up? I dont want to turn my 7 CDs into coasters |
| 17:23.21 | adexta | my sound is entirely fucked. i upgraded to kernel 2.6 and it apparently handles sound in a slightly different manner than 2.4 |
| 17:23.22 | ama | however fedora release core 4, is compiled with gcc 4 and uses selinux by default |
| 17:23.26 | jethro | and send their users to #debian |
| 17:23.27 | r3tr0 | maybe #debian isn't the most impartial place to ask...? |
| 17:23.35 | jethro | r3tr0: very true :) |
| 17:23.38 | ama | so, it really does not worried too much about stability |
| 17:23.49 | paulswm | r3Fl3X: I pointed that out to him in the first place |
| 17:23.55 | Riggzy | (Read up to see whats going wrong) |
| 17:24.00 | Dathon | well, I think it is, cuz you guys have already invested a lot of time and effort to work on it, so I say, ask the people who use it , and why. |
| 17:24.15 | r3tr0 | good point. |
| 17:24.43 | shingouz | how do i figure out which version of gcc does kpkg use? |
| 17:24.47 | Dathon | I want to commit to _a_ distro, for some time, and am tired of installing and installing to find one that I will keep for awhile. |
| 17:24.50 | paulswm | Dathon: If debian wan't around, I prolly wouldn't bother with Linux, keeping systems up to date would be just too time consuming. |
| 17:24.55 | trygvebw | Dathon, try Ubuntu :) |
| 17:24.56 | Dathon | Again, especially desktop use .. |
| 17:24.59 | r3tr0 | i haven't used fedora/rh in awhile... are they getting more FHS compliant? |
| 17:25.17 | ama | they should be |
| 17:25.22 | adexta | Dathon: i have used suse |
| 17:25.24 | paulswm | Once again, ubuntu != debian, if you install ubuntu, don't look here for support |
| 17:25.31 | trygvebw | paulswm, course |
| 17:25.35 | trygvebw | paulswm, #ubuntu is big :) |
| 17:25.41 | Xuse | Pfft |
| 17:25.53 | trygvebw | ? |
| 17:25.54 | paulswm | trygvebw: ubuntu is OK for Windows users I guess |
| 17:25.59 | trygvebw | yeah.. |
| 17:26.02 | thomas_adam | trygvebw: And here isn't? |
| 17:26.04 | adexta | how about lindows? |
| 17:26.07 | trygvebw | Debian is best for servers :) |
| 17:26.12 | ama | dunno about lindows adexta |
| 17:26.13 | adexta | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.15 | Xuse | I don't see what all the fuss about ubuntu is. |
| 17:26.15 | Riggzy | Can anyone at least give me a pointer? I have to get going soon |
| 17:26.19 | trygvebw | linspire is *bad* |
| 17:26.21 | paulswm | And professional installations |
| 17:26.25 | thomas_adam | !hurry |
| 17:26.25 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 17:26.25 | shingouz | trygvebw: *bzzzztttt*, wrong answer |
| 17:26.27 | trygvebw | Xuse, it "just works" |
| 17:26.31 | ama | why is linspire bad? |
| 17:26.33 | Dashiva | i dunno, i use debian on the desktop and it works fine |
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| 17:26.36 | shingouz | trygvebw: that was about debian on servers.. |
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| 17:26.41 | Dashiva | linspire is crap...it runs as root |
| 17:26.42 | Xuse | Debian works better than ubuntu for me. |
| 17:26.45 | trygvebw | shingouz, oh? |
| 17:26.54 | Inglorion | linspire doesn't run as root anymore |
| 17:26.56 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 17:26.56 | dpkg | Progeny rocks! |
| 17:26.57 | trygvebw | Xuse, on my computer Ubuntu detected all hardware |
| 17:27.00 | Inglorion | hasn't for a long time |
| 17:27.06 | trygvebw | and it comes with GNOME |
| 17:27.09 | shingouz | trygvebw: debian is good for anything as long as you know what you do. at least have some kind of a clue |
| 17:27.11 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 17:27.12 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 17:27.14 | Dathon | and wireless? Will it _just work_ or, will i need a simple "recipe" somewhere to make that work? Prob depneds on the hardwarde ... |
| 17:27.15 | trygvebw | and no more than enough packages... |
| 17:27.17 | bob2 | does anyone happ[en to know of any PCI-E 1x cards? |
| 17:27.18 | adexta | what i don't like about debian is the fact that sound is completely fucked. |
| 17:27.19 | shingouz | !beer jethro |
| 17:27.19 | trygvebw | shingouz, of course, but for desktop |
| 17:27.21 | bob2 | the 1x is important. |
| 17:27.27 | trygvebw | Dathon, Ubuntu's WLAN support is better |
| 17:27.29 | bob2 | adexta: please don't make such silly statements |
| 17:27.29 | shingouz | trygvebw: even for a desktop |
| 17:27.30 | ama | Dathon: ubuntu's wireless is great |
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| 17:27.36 | jethro | shingouz: I m having a leffe, but thanks anyway |
| 17:27.39 | trygvebw | shingouz, well, Ubuntu is better out of the box :) |
| 17:27.46 | shingouz | b/s |
| 17:27.50 | adexta | bob2: i upgraded to 2.6, and sound stopped working, but only kind of |
| 17:27.53 | trygvebw | as you said, you need to know what to do to use Debian |
| 17:27.56 | streuner | adexta: well, you have no idea how sound is working then... |
| 17:28.04 | bob2 | adexta: wow, that totally sounds Debian-specific |
| 17:28.05 | trygvebw | with Ubuntu you don't have to know what to do :) |
| 17:28.08 | Riggzy | Whatever, I'll go off to some forums |
| 17:28.14 | r3tr0 | (must... resist... urge... to... troll...) |
| 17:28.15 | Dathon | Ok, good to know, so what I'm getting is, do not use the standard Debian distro, go straight to Ubunto and let that distro incorporate the Debian stuff |
| 17:28.23 | adexta | you see, i can't get arts to play anything |
| 17:28.24 | bob2 | trygvebw: except to use the right channel |
| 17:28.27 | trygvebw | Dathon, yeah |
| 17:28.27 | shingouz | trygvebw: and that is why the system can get screwed up royally |
| 17:28.32 | adexta | and aplay doesn't work either |
| 17:28.33 | jethro | Dathon: don't listen to idiots |
| 17:28.40 | trygvebw | shingouz, if you don't touch to much.. |
| 17:28.41 | bob2 | oh, right, it's sunday |
| 17:28.47 | Xuse | Dathon you can't really use debian repo's if you use ubuntu. |
| 17:28.51 | jethro | bob2: sadly :/ |
| 17:28.56 | websdale | r3tr0: I just changed the batteries in my mouse & it seems better - maybe it gets erratic when power is low! |
| 17:29.00 | Dathon | Hmm .. ok .. |
| 17:29.01 | trygvebw | Xuse, Ubuntu's repos has the same packages... |
| 17:29.06 | Xuse | Wrong |
| 17:29.08 | trygvebw | Dathon, come to #ubuntu and get convinced :) |
| 17:29.09 | shingouz | trygvebw: bullshit |
| 17:29.10 | trygvebw | Xuse, no |
| 17:29.12 | paulswm | Dathon: NO, ubuntu is *NOT* debian, if you want to use debian, install sarge, if you want to use ubuntu, install ubuntu |
| 17:29.13 | Xuse | Ubuntu is missing a LOT of packages |
| 17:29.15 | ama | Dathon: if you are going to use debian wait until sarge is released, though chancesare you probably know this |
| 17:29.18 | adexta | i'll stop in later tonight and try and fix sound |
| 17:29.19 | trygvebw | Xuse, no! |
| 17:29.21 | r3tr0 | websdale: good deal. |
| 17:29.23 | Xuse | I've fucking tried it i should know. |
| 17:29.30 | trygvebw | Xuse, nope. |
| 17:29.32 | bob2 | Xuse: e.g.? |
| 17:29.39 | paulswm | !moron trygvebw |
| 17:29.39 | trygvebw | can you say *one* package it misses? |
| 17:29.39 | dpkg | trygvebw: You are moron #58 |
| 17:29.42 | trygvebw | Oo |
| 17:29.45 | jethro | ama: you can already install sarge |
| 17:29.46 | Mayhem | Xuse, you are probably missing universe |
| 17:29.53 | jethro | ama: that's what you do with d-i |
| 17:29.58 | Dathon | Ok, and see, that's what I've read, ubunto is good, very good, but missing a lot of packages. And with Debian's impending release soon (I thought) I'll go straight Debian .. |
| 17:29.59 | ama | oh ok |
| 17:30.01 | trygvebw | Xuse, you miss Universe.. That's were most packages is |
| 17:30.06 | trygvebw | Dathon, no! |
| 17:30.07 | Xuse | Mayhem i'm not stupid, it's missing packages and i know how to enable universe. |
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| 17:30.15 | bob2 | dudes, #ubuntu |
| 17:30.17 | Xuse | I did it was still missing packages. |
| 17:30.17 | trygvebw | Dathon, with Universe Ubuntu has the same packages as Debian |
| 17:30.20 | bob2 | no more warnings |
| 17:30.21 | Mayhem | Xuse, what about multiverse? |
| 17:30.25 | trygvebw | Xuse, multiverse? restricted? |
| 17:30.28 | Xuse | Yes, enabled. |
| 17:30.28 | bob2 | trygvebw: no, that's not true, it's mostly true |
| 17:30.29 | paulswm | !beer bob2 |
| 17:30.33 | Xuse | Still missing packages |
| 17:30.35 | bob2 | trygvebw: things in multiverse are not in Debian |
| 17:30.35 | Mayhem | Xuse, what packages are you wanting? |
| 17:30.37 | jethro | Dathon: /msg dpkg d-i and don't listen to the ubuntrolls in #debian |
| 17:30.39 | bob2 | Xuse: trygvebw Mayhem #ubuntu |
| 17:30.51 | trygvebw | At least, ALL packages you NEED is in Ubuntu at least.. |
| 17:30.55 | Xuse | I want to use debian, i don't want ubuntu. Now shut up. |
| 17:30.55 | bob2 | trygvebw: dude |
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| 17:31.02 | bob2 | good |
| 17:31.07 | bob2 | anyone who continues is gone |
| 17:31.09 | paulswm | Dathon: listen to us and ignore trygvebw, he is clueless |
| 17:31.10 | trygvebw | Xuse, i'm just stating the facts :) |
| 17:31.18 | trygvebw | paulswm, no! |
| 17:31.22 | Xuse | Your spouting crap. |
| 17:31.28 | trygvebw | Dathon, as i said, come to #ubuntu and get convinced |
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| 17:31.38 | paulswm | Bye bye |
| 17:31.41 | trygvebw | hm |
| 17:31.44 | trygvebw | god... |
| 17:31.52 | jethro | you were told to stop |
| 17:31.58 | jethro | so please do it |
| 17:32.00 | thor|away | trygvebw: regardless, you are off-topic |
| 17:32.05 | trygvebw | jethro, i'm just stating the facts... |
| 17:32.12 | trygvebw | thor|away, course... |
| 17:32.13 | jethro | trygvebw: we don't care about your opinion |
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| 17:32.17 | bob2 | jethro: stop it |
| 17:32.18 | streuner | jethro: thats not the point |
| 17:32.19 | bob2 | jesus christ |
| 17:32.20 | trygvebw | jethro, then you're ignorant |
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| 17:32.39 | streuner | jethro: the point is its ok to fuck some ubuntu-users who trolling here |
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| 17:32.57 | trygvebw | Oo |
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| 17:33.20 | Tabitha | am I late am I late? |
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| 17:33.24 | Tuttle_ | Hi, how can I instuct kernel to limit upstream bandwidth on certain interface? |
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| 17:33.37 | ama | its possible |
| 17:33.39 | Dathon | Ok, well again, no wars please, really, Just looking for actual good and bad points of using Debian. Thank you all. |
| 17:33.40 | ama | i just dont know how Tuttle_ |
| 17:33.41 | streuner | it seems i have hit an ubuntu-user ;-) |
| 17:33.44 | paulswm | Tabitha: Heh, more blood may yet be spilled |
| 17:33.47 | r3tr0 | Tuttle_: man tc |
| 17:33.48 | bob2 | Tuttle_: using trickle is probably the easiest |
| 17:33.49 | bbrazil | Tuttle_: cheack up on 'tc' |
| 17:33.50 | streuner | haha |
| 17:33.51 | bob2 | streuner: jesus christ |
| 17:33.54 | Mayhem | Tuttle_, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 17:34.02 | streuner | bob2: troll somewhere else |
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| 17:34.10 | trygvebw | Dathon, apt-get is a big pro :) |
| 17:34.12 | jethro | he's not trolling, he's trying to stop the troll |
| 17:34.22 | trygvebw | jethro, you're talking about me? :P |
| 17:34.32 | Xuse | Maybe you should just ban ubuntu talk lol |
| 17:34.34 | Xuse | ^_^ |
| 17:34.38 | trygvebw | ... |
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| 17:34.46 | Dathon | trygvebw , and you can do that in both debian _and_ Ubuntu, right? pgk mgmt is the same? |
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| 17:34.53 | bob2 | Xuse: maybe people could just shut the hell up and go to #ubuntu |
| 17:34.53 | trygvebw | Dathon, yes |
| 17:35.00 | trygvebw | Dathon, Ubuntu is based on Debian |
| 17:35.05 | trygvebw | they have the same tools... |
| 17:35.28 | quitte | ooh wow. redhat must be based on debian then |
| 17:35.31 | paulswm | Dathon: ask debian questions here, and ubuntu questions in ubuntu, otherwise I can guarantee that some kicking will ensue. |
| 17:35.35 | trygvebw | quitte, no... |
| 17:35.39 | Phated | ... |
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| 17:35.56 | oKtosiTe | trygvebw: don't forget to mention Ubuntu uses weird diversions |
| 17:36.01 | bob2 | o/~ if you're clueless and you know it, spout some crap o/~ |
| 17:36.01 | Tabitha | It might be useful at this time to point out the freenode network channel guidelines at: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
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| 17:36.06 | trygvebw | oKtosiTe, you mean what? |
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| 17:36.16 | paulswm | !prize bob2 |
| 17:36.18 | Tabitha | See "Avoid advocacy debates" |
| 17:36.19 | Dathon | ? Why? Just trying to get good comparisons and this would be the place for it. I'm not one of the advocates of either, just asking questions. |
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| 17:36.34 | Dashiva | I get where he's coming from... |
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| 17:36.48 | ama | wait until sarge is released, which will probably be in a month |
| 17:36.51 | ama | i mean in a week |
| 17:36.54 | bob2 | Dathon: it's really not a good place to ask |
| 17:36.56 | paulswm | Dathon: if you want to ask questions about a distro other than debian, ask in their fscking channel ffs |
| 17:36.57 | ama | weeks time, if not tommorow |
| 17:36.59 | Mayhem | I wonder what the 'debian questions' policy in #ubuntu is? |
| 17:37.04 | trygvebw | Dathon, ask in #linux or in #ubuntu :) |
| 17:37.13 | Dashiva | Dathon, Ubuntu's more of a total package desktop kind of distro, where Debian is more of a roll your own linux experience distro... |
| 17:37.15 | bob2 | Dathon: if you've never use a Linux/Unix system before, Debian will be a tought but rewarding ride |
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| 17:37.20 | trygvebw | Dashiva, true |
| 17:37.27 | ama | id disagree with that |
| 17:37.27 | thoreauputic | Mayhem: it's a bit more liberal then here :) |
| 17:37.28 | bob2 | Dathon: if you just want to get your feet wet, use ubuntu, since it will be much easier to start off |
| 17:37.29 | Xuse | Always go with the original! |
| 17:37.37 | ama | gentoo is more of a roll your own linux experience |
| 17:37.37 | bob2 | if you want to know more about Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
| 17:37.38 | bob2 | EOT |
| 17:37.39 | oKtosiTe | Dathon: try private messaging him instead, please |
| 17:37.40 | trygvebw | Xuse, *sigh* |
| 17:37.48 | ama | debian is not, especially with the long release cycles |
| 17:37.51 | Dashiva | eh...Gentoo just feels that way because you compile things |
| 17:38.02 | r3tr0 | quick, someone invoke godwin! |
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| 17:38.17 | Dathon | No, i've used Linux, I won't mention names as i dont' want to set anyone off on them, just that whenever a forked distro gets momentum, I wonder why I should not be using the one that it was forked from - in the first place? ;=D |
| 17:38.22 | Dashiva | in debian I normally start with the base system and build what I want, hence roll your own |
| 17:38.37 | Xuse | trygvebw if you don't like debian why are you here? I thought this was room was for discussing debian. =x |
| 17:38.37 | Dashiva | ubuntu installs a default set of software for a desktop every time |
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| 17:38.49 | trygvebw | Xuse, i like Debian, but i think Ubuntu is better... |
| 17:38.49 | ama | part of the reason ubuntu is popular is because debians release cylcle is so long |
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| 17:38.59 | paulswm | !better |
| 17:38.59 | ama | and even when sarge is released, it will still be very obsolete |
| 17:38.59 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 17:39.00 | trygvebw | Xuse, i'm actually using Debian on one of my servers... |
| 17:39.07 | bob2 | Dashiva: which is easily removable, and isn't installed if you use the server option. |
| 17:39.14 | trygvebw | paulswm, i "think" it's better... |
| 17:39.14 | ama | well not very, just a tad bit |
| 17:39.25 | thoreauputic | Dashiva: actually you can build a base system in either distro |
| 17:39.28 | Dashiva | yeah, but I'm talking as a default install |
| 17:39.48 | trygvebw | yeah, Ubuntu is mostly focused on desktop use... |
| 17:39.49 | bob2 | and the default install of Debian is uselessly bare |
| 17:39.52 | Xuse | trygvew well your forcing your opinion on others when he didn't even ask about ubuntu. |
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| 17:39.59 | univac | ehh, i have error in debootstrap |
| 17:40.08 | r3tr0 | non gustibus disputandem ... |
| 17:40.16 | univac | i run, debootstrap --arch arm sid /home/univac/unipaq/ http://source.rfc822.org/debian |
| 17:40.22 | trygvebw | Xuse, i'm not forcing... he asked and i told him a "imo" better alternative :) |
| 17:40.28 | jethro | would you mind stoping the troll on ubuntu vs debian ? I don't think it's on topic |
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| 17:40.34 | univac | chroot unipaq/ chroot: nie mo¿na uruchomic polecenia `/bin/sh': Exec format error |
| 17:40.52 | paulswm | trygvebw: well you also typed a lot of inaccurate stuff too, that's what got everybody going |
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| 17:41.04 | alekzandr | i want to install drupal on a server running woody, what is the best way to upgrade php? |
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| 17:41.07 | trygvebw | paulswm, can you tell me what inaccurate stuff i wrote on PM? |
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| 17:41.12 | Xuse | Yes it pissed me off majorly. |
| 17:41.22 | paulswm | *plonk* |
| 17:41.26 | geoaxis | i have lost ability to login to kde with root... |
| 17:41.30 | Xuse | I'm guessing that was his goal though. |
| 17:41.37 | trygvebw | Oo |
| 17:41.41 | trygvebw | no, it wasn't... |
| 17:41.43 | bob2 | geoaxis: #debian-kde, and that's a feature, not a bug |
| 17:42.01 | geoaxis | ok |
| 17:42.22 | r3tr0 | alekzandr: upgrade to testing? |
| 17:42.33 | paulswm | trygvebw: <trygvebw> Xuse, Ubuntu's repos has the same packages... <-- inaccurate |
| 17:42.45 | jethro | paulswm: don't even bother |
| 17:42.56 | trygvebw | paulswm, it has nearly all the same.. for *him*, they have the *same* packages... |
| 17:42.59 | trygvebw | *nearly the |
| 17:43.07 | jethro | !tell paulswm -about qotd51 |
| 17:43.19 | trygvebw | he doesn't want to use any packages that are in Debian and not in Ubuntu... |
| 17:43.31 | paulswm | !qotd51 |
| 17:43.31 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
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| 17:43.38 | trygvebw | Oo |
| 17:43.39 | Xuse | lol |
| 17:43.44 | trygvebw | paulswm, reasons, reasons... |
| 17:43.48 | quitte | for a pcmcia card to setup networking all i should have to do is add mapping hotplug to the interface stanza,right? |
| 17:43.50 | bob2 | how the hell do you guys keep all the qotd numbers at your fingertips like that? |
| 17:43.55 | alekzandr | r3tr0: i prefer to keep the server at woody, it runs perfecty, i just need a newwer php for drupal |
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| 17:44.04 | paulswm | bob2: I memorized them all. |
| 17:44.13 | jethro | bob2: sundays make me use qotd51 a lot |
| 17:44.15 | paulswm | bob2: j/k, I have them locally |
| 17:44.17 | r3tr0 | alekzandr: maybe look into deb-src for PHP? |
| 17:44.29 | Inglorion | The nice thing about distros is that there are so many of them to choose from. And if you don't like any of them, you can always wait for next year's version. |
| 17:44.32 | bob2 | haha |
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| 17:45.16 | r3tr0 | and once you've chosen one, you have something to be /enthusiastic/ about... (snicker) |
| 17:45.18 | alekzandr | i have ssen refernces to do bet and backports.org, do they contain the same packages? |
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| 17:45.27 | goodtod | If I want a stable server (but not critical - it is just for my home) but i value having newer versions of software such as mythtv, is sid the correct choice? |
| 17:45.38 | paulswm | bob2: there are a couple of good recent additions: 120 and 78 |
| 17:45.43 | jethro | goodtod: no |
| 17:45.56 | jethro | goodtod: use sarge and backports |
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| 17:45.58 | bob2 | alekzandr: if you mean "dotdeb", then no. backports.org are carefully made, high-quality packages produce by DDs, dotdeb are made but some other group I don't know of. |
| 17:46.10 | edgar | hi |
| 17:46.16 | jethro | goodtod: or /msg dpkg sid faq if you really want sid |
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| 17:46.22 | f0ssi | hi guys |
| 17:46.30 | daba_sck | yo! |
| 17:46.31 | trygvebw | hello f0ssi |
| 17:46.40 | f0ssi | problem... |
| 17:46.45 | trygvebw | just ask :) |
| 17:46.48 | f0ssi | i restarted my webserver |
| 17:46.52 | jim | Inglorion, oh good, you found the problem :) |
| 17:46.53 | edgar | someone is using guadalinex? |
| 17:46.54 | f0ssi | and now proftpd does not start |
| 17:46.55 | cbr | is there any boot option to change the default kernel charset? |
| 17:46.57 | f0ssi | t292 - Fatal: unable to determine IP address of `t292'. |
| 17:47.03 | quitte | i think my question got a little lost in the trolling - so i'll ask again. adding mapping hotplug to the interfaces' stanza should enable ifup when i plug the pcmcia card in, right? |
| 17:47.03 | jim | and hye's not here... |
| 17:47.05 | f0ssi | thats the error |
| 17:47.08 | bob2 | edgar: #debian-es |
| 17:47.14 | alekzandr | bob2: so backports.org would be the preffered means to upgrade only php on my woody server? |
| 17:47.14 | bob2 | cbr: I'm pretty sure the kernel doesn't have a charset |
| 17:47.17 | trygvebw | quitte, it should |
| 17:47.19 | bob2 | quitte: you don't even need to do that |
| 17:47.21 | goodtod | jethro: thanks, i never knew about debian backports, looks liek what i need |
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| 17:47.25 | bob2 | alekzandr: in my opinion, yes |
| 17:47.26 | cbr | bob2: i mean the default one for filesystems etc |
| 17:47.28 | jethro | goodtod: indeed |
| 17:47.31 | bob2 | alekzandr: but I'd probably just install sarge, anyway |
| 17:47.38 | cbr | you can choose it @ menuconfig |
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| 17:47.44 | f0ssi | can someone help me ? |
| 17:47.48 | edgar | thnx bob2 |
| 17:47.54 | quitte | bob2 i configured hotplug to only work for hotplug, though |
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| 17:48.22 | quitte | so that doesn't work - what package is most likely broken then? hotplug or pcmcia-cs? |
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| 17:49.10 | quitte | it's my own fault btw. this is on sh3. |
| 17:49.15 | alekzandr | bob2: this is a working server, runnning websites and email, so i prefer not to break it if at all possible, i just want to try out drupal, which needs php 4.3.3 or so |
| 17:49.21 | r3tr0 | quitte: i'm lost - it's seeing the card but not setting the IP? (needs more coffee) |
| 17:49.29 | f0ssi | anyone an idea ? |
| 17:49.51 | quitte | r3tr0 yes. and when pulling the card out it runs ifdown eth0 |
| 17:49.58 | r3tr0 | f0ssi: sounds like it's trying to bind to a hostname that isn't mapped to an IP... does that name resolve? |
| 17:50.35 | bob2 | alekzandr: ah |
| 17:50.37 | f0ssi | r3tr0 sorry i'm using linux since 2 months i'm not that fit. what do u mean ? |
| 17:50.46 | r3tr0 | quitte: can you set the params manually, like with ifconfig? |
| 17:50.49 | paolob | Hi guys! will my pc (debian testing) run faster if I mount / and /usr on two different hd? If yes, how much? thank you! |
| 17:50.53 | bob2 | 'night all |
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| 17:51.17 | bbrazil | paolob: should do, test it and see - doubt it'll be much |
| 17:51.25 | r3tr0 | f0ssi: you said it gave an error about a hostname... ? |
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| 17:51.30 | bob2 | paolob: probably not much, I'd guess most of the disk activity on / is on /usr |
| 17:51.35 | f0ssi | r3tr0 yes |
| 17:51.38 | bob2 | unless it's a server doing lots of stuff in /var |
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| 17:51.43 | quitte | retr0 ifup eth0 works |
| 17:51.48 | f0ssi | t292 - Fatal: unable to determine IP address of `t292'. |
| 17:51.50 | f0ssi | this one |
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| 17:52.08 | r3tr0 | f0ssi: does that resolve, like with 'host t292'? |
| 17:52.08 | marjorie-t | Guys, how can i make a program start as a normal user from withn something like... bootmisc ? |
| 17:52.26 | f0ssi | Host t292 not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
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| 17:52.26 | bob2 | marjorie-t: what are you trying to run? |
| 17:52.32 | bob2 | marjorie-t: please don't say "X" or "gnome" |
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| 17:52.46 | WW | Hello, world. |
| 17:52.49 | marjorie-t | I want vnc server to start as a normal user not root |
| 17:53.11 | f0ssi | my /etc/hostname contains : t292 |
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| 17:53.16 | marjorie-t | so not not X :) |
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| 17:53.30 | WW | Is there a standard way to configure the sensitivity of a touchpad on a laptop? Tapping once seems to generate two clicks. |
| 17:53.41 | f0ssi | and my /etc/hosts has more lines |
| 17:53.55 | paolob | bbrazil, bob2 : thank you! |
| 17:53.57 | r3tr0 | quitte: hrm... i think there are special things you have to do for hotplug ... some sort of mapping? been awhile, and my laptop is at w0rk... |
| 17:54.00 | f0ssi | 83.133.127.195 t292 |
| 17:54.04 | f0ssi | like this1 |
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| 17:54.32 | larsJ | If i dont want to use bind or bind9 what can i use else?.. I need a DNS server to make RDNS for my ips... Anyone know a good program etc with a webinterface? |
| 17:54.45 | ixi | How can I downgrade packages? The problem is that I got sarge ISOs more then 3 months ago and CD netinist image just yesterday. As a result I can't install even perl from my ISOs, since it requires =5.8.4-5 perl-base, and netinst CD installed 5.8.4-8. |
| 17:54.46 | r3tr0 | larsJ: tinydns, djbdns |
| 17:55.00 | larsJ | r3tr0: does both have webinterface? |
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| 17:55.22 | r3tr0 | larsJ: don't know offhand, we're a bind shop... |
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| 17:55.34 | Skiver | hi, what does it mean by sarge is frozen ? where can i read something about it ? |
| 17:55.35 | marjorie-t | All i want to do is start vncserver as a user when box starts up... |
| 17:55.47 | jim | larsJ: probably neither do |
| 17:55.49 | r3tr0 | larsJ: i think tinydns is all SQL happy, which would be GUI-able with phpmyadmin... |
| 17:55.50 | paulswm | Skiver: www.debian.org |
| 17:55.57 | bob2 | larsJ: why not use bind? |
| 17:55.59 | ZaFiL | I everybody |
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| 17:56.08 | ZaFiL | Does somebody use DccAssist ? |
| 17:56.13 | jim | larsJ: get DNS and BIND from orielly, read it |
| 17:56.18 | bob2 | ZaFiL: try #debian-fr |
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| 17:56.37 | larsJ | bob2: well, how unsecure is it to run bind8 ? |
| 17:56.37 | ZaFiL | bob2, i've already tried ;) |
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| 17:56.48 | larsJ | jim: hehe no thanks, i can config bind all fine.. |
| 17:56.52 | bob2 | larsJ: I'd use bind9, but there' really no issue with running it on an internal network |
| 17:57.08 | bob2 | I run bind9 on the internet, and I worry about a lot of other things before that |
| 17:57.09 | jim | larsJ: oh, ok... so what problem are you actually trying to solve? |
| 17:57.14 | r3tr0 | larsJ: there are some docs out there for using 'jailer' with bind... it's not so uphill... |
| 17:57.17 | bob2 | like the stupid php scripts people stick on my web server |
| 17:57.27 | bob2 | r3tr0: it's chroot'd by default on Debian now |
| 17:57.28 | paulswm | bob2: just don't tell scarynetworkguy :P |
| 17:57.48 | r3tr0 | bob2: sweet. |
| 17:57.49 | larsJ | bob2: so it is very unsecure to use bind8?... Im using it too make RDNS names on my IPS |
| 17:57.59 | osh | Since this http://www.remedy.com/solutions/magic/ is a piece of worthless crap and the devels should be flogged I'm looking for a replacement. Preferrably open-source but that's not a requirement. Anyone seen anything similar? |
| 17:58.30 | bob2 | larsJ: I don't think so, these days, but bind9 was rewritten to avoid being so insecure. |
| 17:58.41 | bob2 | I wonder if there's a twisted python dns server yet, that would be pretty cool |
| 17:58.41 | jim | do you have authority over the ip domain? or is this for internal ips? |
| 17:58.42 | larsJ | oki |
| 17:58.50 | jim | larsJ: oh, ok... so what problem are you actually trying to solve? |
| 17:59.08 | r3tr0 | *takes swipe at invisible butterflies* |
| 17:59.38 | larsJ | jim: After some hours it stop working, i mean my RDNS names no longer work /dns XXXX ip... Only after restart it will work again. But i dont got the problem with bind8 only with bind9... |
| 17:59.55 | ZaFiL | Does somebody use DccAssist ? |
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| 18:00.15 | quitte | /etc/pcmcia/network start eth0 doesn't execute ifup eth0, while stop eth0 executes ifdown |
| 18:00.15 | bob2 | ZaFiL: doesn't look like it |
| 18:00.17 | jim | larsJ: hmm... so you're looking for a different dns server |
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| 18:00.44 | larsJ | jim: will, if bind8 is very highly unsecure to use, yes... |
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| 18:01.06 | r3tr0 | sounds more like some grepping of bind logs is in order... |
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| 18:01.44 | r3tr0 | larsJ: does dig -x @yourdnsserver fail, then? |
| 18:01.50 | jim | (Guerin will get mad at this but) webmin might have a bind module... having said that, it's been reported that webmin messes up config files... but no one has been specific about which modules aren't good.... |
| 18:02.08 | larsJ | jim: well i dont want a webmin module, and webmin sux |
| 18:02.21 | jim | which is what Guerin would say |
| 18:02.25 | r3tr0 | webmin has no clippy, so refuses to use it... |
| 18:02.30 | loly | hello |
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| 18:02.40 | jim | clippy? |
| 18:02.47 | jim | clipboard? |
| 18:02.51 | alekzandr | i have been using webmin for a few years, and it has never caused me any problems |
| 18:03.00 | Sharkey | When is Sarge coming out? |
| 18:03.03 | r3tr0 | you know, like a little debian swirly that says "it looks like you're trying to set up a PTR record!" |
| 18:03.04 | larsJ | jim: hehe |
| 18:03.19 | jim | Sharkey: /msg dpkg wir |
| 18:03.32 | Sharkey | ? |
| 18:03.37 | jim | and one more thing.... CAN"T YOU READ??! |
| 18:03.42 | osh | !sarge |
| 18:03.42 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 18:03.44 | larsJ | jim: but hey is bind8 insecure to use... The onlything i need a DNS server for is to make RDNS names on my ips. |
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| 18:04.01 | Xuse | in other words next week |
| 18:04.04 | Sharkey | k thanx |
| 18:04.09 | r3tr0 | larsJ: perhaps dnsmasq would fit your needs? |
| 18:04.25 | jim | you JUST got here, and your joining the channel JUST told you |
| 18:04.35 | larsJ | what? |
| 18:04.35 | McGee | Hi, i noticed that foo.desktop files in ~/Desktop are not changed when i use the Properties Dialog of a Desktop Link to give it a diffrent icon. So the Icon can not be changed with the dialog. Is this a known problem? any hints? |
| 18:04.40 | larsJ | are you mad now? |
| 18:04.43 | jim | pay attention to details |
| 18:04.47 | jim | was I ever not? |
| 18:04.48 | larsJ | wtf? |
| 18:05.04 | jim | no, I'm not angry |
| 18:05.29 | larsJ | oki |
| 18:05.37 | jim | it's just frustrating when people can't gather information |
| 18:05.49 | larsJ | sorry |
| 18:05.53 | f0ssi | another problem : Host localhost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 18:05.53 | jim | not you |
| 18:05.55 | f0ssi | ?!?!?! |
| 18:06.00 | bozomar | Hi, i have a problem with xmms. But i don't know how can i explain it... I can't see any menu title or properties explanation. When i try to change fonts (with guessing it's menu way) xmms craches as soon as i click a font to choose. What could be the problem? |
| 18:06.07 | larsJ | jim: okay now im shitty confused ;) |
| 18:06.17 | r3tr0 | f0ssi: sounds like a b0rkX0red /etc/hosts... |
| 18:06.17 | larsJ | jim: but hey im drinking coca-cola |
| 18:06.23 | larsJ | jim: that might be the problem.. |
| 18:06.25 | ixi | Suppose we have an arbitary tree with some packages and "Packages" file in the root of the tree. Is there a way to either upgrade all or some of the packages from this tree using APT? |
| 18:06.26 | jim | larsJ: the shitty part can be solved with a shower :) |
| 18:06.26 | toresbe | Anyone else having OGG problems with MPlayer? |
| 18:06.26 | WW | Is there a way to tweak how a touchpad is handled? Tapping the touchpad seems to generate TWO mouse clicks, but it should only generate one. |
| 18:06.30 | Xuse | bozomar xmms is a bit dated now, any specific reason why you still use it? |
| 18:06.31 | f0ssi | how to fix it r3tr0 |
| 18:06.32 | f0ssi | ? |
| 18:06.44 | jim | the confused part, none of that other part was meant for you |
| 18:06.46 | larsJ | jim: Uhhh yeah a hot shower is always now, and after a shower a gooood cold cola is niiice. |
| 18:06.50 | bozomar | Xuse: Could you suggest any other mp3 player? |
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| 18:07.13 | Xuse | if your looking for one like xmms, try beep-media-player. Personally i use quodlibet though. |
| 18:07.15 | toresbe | r3tr0: you are not retro. |
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| 18:07.26 | meds | mpg123 |
| 18:07.47 | bozomar | Xuse: Ok, thank you, i'll try it |
| 18:07.56 | larsJ | jim: do you got time to discuss how unsecure bind8 is, if want only to use it for RDNS resolves+? ;) |
| 18:08.10 | paulswm | toresbe is often retro |
| 18:08.13 | jim | bozomar: get a list of all mp3 players, iterate over that list, for each, try, compare, contrast. Once out of that loop, decide. |
| 18:08.16 | drasko | hi all... mount /dev/sda1 /media/flash/ gives me: mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device. What's wrong: How to mount USB flash? |
| 18:08.19 | larsJ | jim: damn sorry for my english it sucks.. |
| 18:08.24 | r3tr0 | toresbe: i'm sorry, have i taken someone's nick? |
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| 18:08.40 | toresbe | r3tr0: No, just pointing out that you aren't retro :P |
| 18:08.43 | jim | larsJ: well I don't know the issues |
| 18:09.00 | toresbe | r3tr0: I am bored, you see. Very bored. |
| 18:09.03 | paulswm | r3tr0: toresbe has programs on paper tape, now *that's* retro :) |
| 18:09.04 | streuner | drasko: what kernel do you use? |
| 18:09.10 | larsJ | jim: there are now issues i just want to know how unsecure bind8 is, there is some exploits out for it i have heard.. |
| 18:09.14 | takatumi | drasko: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 18:09.14 | larsJ | no* |
| 18:09.15 | larsJ | ffs |
| 18:09.26 | bozomar | jim: Thanks, but i don't know what could be the problem with xmms, it's worked fine |
| 18:09.46 | r3tr0 | (wonders who he is, if not himself) |
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| 18:10.01 | jetdotnet | http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/050527a.html <--ask |
| 18:10.10 | toresbe | r3tr0: there is nothing retro about spelling your name with 3 and 0 :P |
| 18:10.17 | paulswm | larsJ: google may be your friend re bind8 seciurity issues |
| 18:10.32 | f0ssi | r3tr0: have u checked your pm's |
| 18:10.37 | Palantir | any idea on this? Mysql doesn't start... http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=311 |
| 18:10.50 | toresbe | r3tr0: I'm just bored :P |
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| 18:10.59 | drasko | takatumi, ? |
| 18:11.05 | paulswm | jetdotnet: the number of the beast... :( |
| 18:11.07 | jim | bozomar: oh, well that's not the problem... problem came up when you asked for suggestions for a different (something)... how can someone else pick for you tho? you should get a list and pick for yourself, that's all I'm saying |
| 18:11.09 | drasko | streuner, 2.6.9 |
| 18:11.20 | toresbe | r3tr0: how true :P |
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| 18:11.24 | streuner | drasko: custom kernel? |
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| 18:11.30 | r3tr0 | f0ssi: sorry, overstimulated... uhh... do you have a localhost line in your /etc/hosts |
| 18:11.31 | drasko | yes |
| 18:11.32 | bozomar | jim: Thanks... |
| 18:11.48 | qpee | hi, i have a c programm running in the bg, which is started on system-boot. now i want it on a certain occasion to start a command line tool on debian (in fact its xmessage). the problem is, that i get the error Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 18:11.52 | f0ssi | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 18:11.52 | qpee | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 18:11.55 | qpee | what could i do about that? |
| 18:11.56 | f0ssi | this one |
| 18:11.57 | f0ssi | ? |
| 18:12.08 | jim | Palantir: use postgresql... unlike mysql, it's good for multitasking/multiuser activity since it's acid compliant |
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| 18:12.22 | streuner | drasko: you get any entries with 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi'? |
| 18:12.23 | paulswm | !prize jim |
| 18:12.26 | r3tr0 | qpee: you need to set your TERM env variable... and have xhost set... |
| 18:12.29 | jetdotnet | dpkg xfree-common or somehting like that i think |
| 18:12.37 | Palantir | jim: I juse that everyday, but unfortunately now I need mysql as well :( |
| 18:12.46 | larsJ | r3tr0: ill try powerdns http://www.powerdns.com/ |
| 18:12.59 | qpee | r3tr0: can you tell me a bit more, both vars don't tell me much |
| 18:13.26 | jim | Palantir: sorry to hear that... hopefully mysql will come into line |
| 18:13.31 | r3tr0 | qpee: do you have TERM set? - it'll need to be something like localhost:0.0 |
| 18:13.34 | qpee | r3tr0: and i don't have a clue how to set them from a c or php-script |
| 18:13.38 | drasko | streuner, cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 18:13.46 | streuner | stop |
| 18:13.52 | streuner | dont flood the channel |
| 18:13.52 | drasko | streuner, Attached devices: none |
| 18:14.04 | streuner | drasko: modprobe scsi-ide |
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| 18:14.23 | qpee | r3tr0: well $TERM is set to xterm. but i dunno which $TERM the c-program is using in the background |
| 18:14.31 | drasko | streuner, modprobe: Can't locate module scsi-ide |
| 18:14.33 | f0ssi | r3tr0: any idea whats wrong ? |
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| 18:14.41 | r3tr0 | qpee: shoot, my bad. i'm a bonehead. i meant DISPLAY |
| 18:14.55 | drasko | takatumi, I can not find package usb-storage... |
| 18:15.05 | qpee | r3tr0: being logged in $DISPLAY is set to :0.0 |
| 18:15.08 | r3tr0 | f0ssi: it sounds like your ftpd doesn't know what interface to bind to... |
| 18:15.28 | f0ssi | r3tr0 so ? |
| 18:15.35 | qpee | r3tr0: but again, i'm on x and everything works, the programm in the background has problems calling and executing xmessage |
| 18:15.43 | f0ssi | r3tr0 what to do ? |
| 18:15.44 | r3tr0 | qpee: is this behind a firewall? can you be sloppy with your X permissions? |
| 18:15.46 | takatumi | drasko: it's not a package. load sd_mod and usb-storage modules. (if you checked them in as modules.) |
| 18:15.51 | WW | (Sorry for repeating myself.) Can anyone suggest how I can stop my touchpad from generating TWO mouse clicks when I tap on it? |
| 18:16.15 | streuner | drasko: modprobe ide-scsi |
| 18:16.15 | qpee | r3tr0: no `xhost +` here, i only need local access to x |
| 18:16.25 | caphuso | WW: with linux 2.6? google for "2.6 input faq" |
| 18:16.25 | drasko | takatumi, but how to do this? |
| 18:16.37 | qpee | r3tr0: the program is on the same machine as i am, just not having the correct perms |
| 18:16.46 | WW | caphuso: Thanks, I'll do that. |
| 18:16.46 | takatumi | drasko: modprobe |
| 18:16.58 | ixi | Sorry for repeating, APT-question. I have a tree with some packages and "Packages" file too. Is there a way to upgrade all or some of the packages from this tree using APT? |
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| 18:17.09 | Xuse | what do you think is the best font for subtitles? |
| 18:17.11 | drasko | streuner, modprobe: Can't locate module ide-scsi |
| 18:17.36 | streuner | drasko: get an official kernel |
| 18:17.42 | drasko | takatumi, modprobe: Can't locate module usb-storage |
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| 18:18.00 | r3tr0 | qpee: the background proc is running as same user as the x session? |
| 18:18.01 | takatumi | drasko: what about sd_mod? |
| 18:18.12 | drasko | takatumi, modprobe: Can't locate module sd_mod |
| 18:18.22 | qpee | r3tr0: i guess not, let me see though |
| 18:18.25 | takatumi | drasko: back to menuconfig then. |
| 18:18.28 | drasko | streuner, it is officiell |
| 18:18.34 | priest | can i add "configure prefix" with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 18:18.43 | qpee | r3tr0: no, it's running as root |
| 18:18.50 | meds | where do i get xorg packages, debian-desktop.org is down |
| 18:18.58 | r3tr0 | qpee: there you go. |
| 18:19.04 | drasko | takatumi, recompiling the kernel? |
| 18:19.07 | streuner | <streuner> drasko: custom kernel? drasko> yes |
| 18:19.23 | drasko | streuner, I was wrong... |
| 18:19.25 | streuner | drasko: kernel-image |
| 18:19.38 | qpee | r3tr0: no way of telling root to connect to qpee's x session? |
| 18:19.42 | r3tr0 | qpee: try setting the DISPLAY variable to something like yourhost:0.0 ... you may still have xhost issues... |
| 18:19.45 | streuner | drasko: what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 18:19.49 | WW | caphuso: That looks like my problem! Thanks again for the tip. |
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| 18:20.00 | r3tr0 | qpee: (never been to clear on it myself....) |
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| 18:20.07 | r3tr0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.44 | qpee | r3tr0: i should set $DISPLAY in my xsession new? |
| 18:21.01 | r3tr0 | retro enough to be like, three screen sessions deep? do i have cred yet? |
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| 18:21.39 | qpee | r3tr0: maybe i try to ruin the proc as the same user i am and not as root. i have to check others perms though |
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| 18:22.12 | r3tr0 | qpee: yeah, i'd eliminate the user skew problem first... does the script /need/ root perms? |
| 18:22.21 | jethro | qpee: /msg dpkg sux |
| 18:22.42 | r3tr0 | *yawn* |
| 18:23.09 | r3tr0 | does staring at your indicator LEDs make DMA any faster? |
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| 18:23.21 | r3tr0 | or is that a boot= option? |
| 18:23.44 | qpee | jethro: well i'm logged in as the user qpee and a programm running as root needs to connect to my display. sux is the other way round, or am i messing up? |
| 18:24.23 | jethro | qpee: how do you launch this program running as root? |
| 18:24.36 | qpee | the problem could be probably solved if i get to know how to use update-rc.d to start a service with a user (uid) other than root |
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| 18:24.59 | sameer | can someone tell me about swappiness |
| 18:25.03 | qpee | jethro: from an init.d script, whihc was installed using update-rc.d as refered to in my last post |
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| 18:25.36 | r3tr0 | sameer: such as? |
| 18:25.43 | shingouz | how do i figure out which version of gcc kpkg uses? |
| 18:25.44 | qpee | jethro: but reading the man i don't know how to let this programm be started as a different user than root |
| 18:25.46 | madclicker | how can i playback music CD's on debian? |
| 18:26.19 | r3tr0 | qpee: did you write the /etc/init.d script? |
| 18:26.26 | streuner | shingouz: gcc --version? |
| 18:26.34 | shingouz | lemmesee |
| 18:26.40 | jethro | qpee: leave your init.d script, then man xauth, and /msg dpkg mit magic cookies |
| 18:26.53 | Phated | madclicker: With any number of programs, try apt-get install cdtool and then type cdplay. |
| 18:26.58 | shingouz | 3.3.5 seems like |
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| 18:27.10 | streuner | shingouz: you are running testing? |
| 18:27.22 | shingouz | yes |
| 18:27.34 | sameer | r3tr0 : such as in a value called vm.swappiness .. that resides in /proc |
| 18:27.39 | jethro | qpee: mit magic cookie even |
| 18:27.48 | streuner | it uses prolly the gcc version which points in the symlink /usr/bin/gcc .... |
| 18:28.00 | shingouz | lets see |
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| 18:28.04 | qpee | r3tr0: no, update-rc.d created them; jethro: alright, i'll take a look |
| 18:28.25 | shingouz | gcc-3.3 streuner |
| 18:28.41 | streuner | !info gcc sarge |
| 18:28.43 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 18:28.47 | r3tr0 | sameer: for a mystery /proc value, the kernel docs would be a good place to start... |
| 18:29.09 | r3tr0 | qpee: jethro has the right idea, ignore me. |
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| 18:29.18 | jethro | !win me |
| 18:29.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, jethro! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 18:29.22 | galois | what is the command to install a graphical interface (x+gnome)? |
| 18:29.27 | shingouz | grr... i always get confused with the testing and unstable. Sid on all my boxen in anycase |
| 18:29.34 | blast32 | Hi |
| 18:29.35 | r3tr0 | is there a !lose? |
| 18:29.40 | jethro | r3tr0: yes |
| 18:29.45 | jethro | !lose r3tr0 |
| 18:29.46 | dpkg | r3tr0: You Lose. |
| 18:29.50 | ixi | Would anyone help me with APT? I have a tree with some packages and "Packages" file too. Is there a way to upgrade all or some of the packages from this tree using APT? I need to 1) upgrade only those packages which are in the tree and 2) to get Packages file updated accordingly. Thanks. |
| 18:29.51 | r3tr0 | sweet. i'm such an irc dolt. |
| 18:30.00 | alekzandr | if i want to use dotdeb.org for php, and only upgrade my php packages, what should i put in my sources.lst? |
| 18:30.13 | qpee | r3tr0: still thanks |
| 18:30.16 | r3tr0 | i lose! sweet! |
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| 18:30.44 | r3tr0 | (contemplates a better irc client, that makes him lose less) |
| 18:30.53 | alekzandr | !info php woody |
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| 18:31.00 | galois | alekzandr: the dotdeb line and they should update from there automatically as the php debs will have higher revision numbers |
| 18:31.14 | alekzandr | !info php4 woody |
| 18:31.17 | shingouz | next one: if i do this (echo "DISTCC: gcc-2.95" "$@" exec /usr/bin/distcc /usr/bin/gcc-2.95 "$@" |
| 18:31.17 | shingouz | )as root, will it be permanent? |
| 18:31.18 | dpkg | php4: (A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.2-7.0.1 (woody), Packaged size: 569 kB, Installed size: 1369 kB |
| 18:31.21 | alekzandr | galios: thanks |
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| 18:31.46 | madclicker | Phated: cdplayer in KDE plays the CD but there is no sound. It seems like CDA format is not producing any sound. I checked KMIXER and all is good...????? |
| 18:31.49 | qpee | jethro: hehe, that rocks. it's working like a charm. thanks |
| 18:31.51 | shingouz | uh... the instances with gcc pointing to the actual version of gcc i run, obviously |
| 18:31.56 | streuner | shingouz: no idea, but changing the symlink would be permanent... |
| 18:32.25 | Phated | madclicker: <shrug> No idea. I'd try a couple other apps. |
| 18:32.36 | streuner | shingouz: if you aren't upgrade gcc |
| 18:32.37 | jethro | qpee: you're welcome |
| 18:32.48 | shingouz | streuner: the thing is that i need to get distcc to work with kpkg, google shows nothing and even if i get it to work i still have to be able to run kpkg as a standalone too |
| 18:34.02 | shingouz | streuner: the only relevant link i have managed to find on the topic with google: http://linuxwiki.de/distcc |
| 18:34.15 | alekzandr | also i want to hold the version of courier-imap i have, i have a pin block in etc/apt/preferences but it appears apt-get upgrade will upgrade it anyway, what am i doing wrong? |
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| 18:35.04 | asuffield | madclicker: you probably haven't connected the audio cable from your CD drive to the sound card |
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| 18:37.48 | qpee | is there a way that oss_audio can be used more than once. i mean i'm listening to music and have a programm that informs be about mail using a mp3-playback. but when i listen to my music and i get mails, there is no sound telling me about mails because i get: oss_audio: failed to open audio device /dev/dsp |
| 18:38.18 | qpee | thus: the device is locked somehow |
| 18:38.32 | shingouz | qpee: sorry, most oss drivers do not do that. maybe a sound daemon would help? |
| 18:38.50 | madclicker | asuffield: why do i have palyback through |
| 18:38.58 | madclicker | IDE cable in windoz |
| 18:38.59 | madclicker | ? |
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| 18:39.42 | asuffield | madclicker: <shrug> |
| 18:39.45 | shingouz | madclicker: playing a music cd? a real music cd, not one of those mp3 thingies? |
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| 18:39.47 | asuffield | that doesn't work too well anyway |
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| 18:41.13 | qpee | shingouz: could you give me a bit more details. i mean why would that solve my problems and of course: what are the negative aspects of such a sound-daemon |
| 18:41.18 | FrozenSpoon | I'm getting this error randomly (when not even using USB), anyone have any ideas?: sb-uhci.c interrupt, status 38, frame# 826 sb-uhci.c: Host controller halted, trying to restart. |
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| 18:41.43 | aFlag | is there a way to log who and when connected through ssh? |
| 18:41.50 | Radea | wrong usb driver compiled in your kernel? |
| 18:41.51 | shingouz | qpee: no idea, i have not run a sound daemon as i do not have a need for it |
| 18:41.54 | madclicker | shingouz: true music CD bought in the store, CDA format , analog cd |
| 18:42.10 | FrozenSpoon | Radea: I don't know, is there more than one UHCI driver? |
| 18:42.24 | bozomar | aFlag: /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 18:42.27 | shingouz | madclicker: check if you have the cd to soundcard audio cable connected. you know the thin round one? |
| 18:42.54 | Radea | no, but there's also ohci and ehci (usb2) |
| 18:43.05 | madclicker | shingouz: why whould i need that?, it plays back just fine in windoz |
| 18:43.06 | FrozenSpoon | Radea: it's UHCI |
| 18:43.13 | Radea | oh |
| 18:43.21 | Radea | i dont know then ;p |
| 18:43.35 | qpee | shingouz: ok, i'll go and resarch, thanks for the idea |
| 18:44.05 | FrozenSpoon | I can trun USB off since I'm not using it. But that seems like a wrong solution to a software problem |
| 18:44.07 | shingouz | madclicker: i am stumped, it should need that cable |
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| 18:44.37 | shingouz | qpee: jackd and esd are sound daemons IIRC |
| 18:44.43 | furrywolf | sigh. tired and sore wolfy is now tired, sore, and sick wolfy. |
| 18:44.57 | shingouz | !comfort furrywolf |
| 18:44.58 | dpkg | There, there, furrywolf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:45.28 | madclicker | shingouz: windowz is capable playback audio cd's through ide cable |
| 18:45.28 | r3tr0 | (checks medicine cabinet for wolfy) |
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| 18:46.05 | shingouz | madclicker: i do not care about windowz. i run linux and that means i need to do things in a different way |
| 18:46.21 | ixi | Is there a way to update a packages tree which is used to install debian on LAN workstation? |
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| 18:46.48 | shingouz | ixi: --get-selections and --set-selections on dpkg |
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| 18:47.55 | furrywolf | I always get sick if I get bad allergies... and biking the course yesterday (first, freshly mowed fields, then dunes, then beach, then grass, etc, etc, and everyone along the way has mowed their lawn for the event) was really not a good idea... and now I'm rather sick. :( |
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| 18:48.13 | furrywolf | entire throat is swollen, sore, and completely raw. can't swallow or breathe. |
| 18:48.16 | shingouz | furrywolf: bad stuff that |
| 18:48.27 | ecobit | hi, i have a usb printer connected to a machine. when i load ohci-hsd and ehci-hsd it automatically loads usb-storage (odd?) and i see that it recognizes the printer. but the hp driver and scanner applications do not detect it. is there any trick with a usb printer on a usb 2.0 port? |
| 18:48.55 | madclicker | furrywolf: allergie shots |
| 18:48.57 | paulswm | :P |
| 18:49.00 | furrywolf | ecobit: if it's supported by gimp-print, use that. |
| 18:49.20 | furrywolf | paulswm: not funny. |
| 18:49.31 | paulswm | furrywolf: I disagree. |
| 18:49.37 | ecobit | furrywolf, gimp-print being just one of several possible drivers for cups? is that what you mean? |
| 18:49.37 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 18:49.49 | furrywolf | ecobit: yes. |
| 18:50.01 | Seb | where in debian do I specify that'd I like sbp2_serialize_io=1 to be set whenever sbp2 is modprobed ? |
| 18:50.05 | furrywolf | also keep in mind you may need to /etc/init.d/cupsys restart for it to see new usb printers. |
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| 18:50.24 | caphuso | Seb: /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/, depending on kernel version |
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| 18:50.32 | tactless | Weird mouse thing going on: |
| 18:50.37 | Seb | caphuso: i'm on 2.6 |
| 18:50.38 | tactless | Got me a new a4tech optical mouse |
| 18:50.46 | ecobit | furrywolf, linuxprinting.org recommends the hplip driver for this, but i will check into it. but, i think this is a driver-level problem. a scanner app should not need a printer driver though |
| 18:50.48 | caphuso | Seb: /etc/modprobe.d/ then |
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| 18:50.52 | Seb | caphuso: ok, thanks |
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| 18:50.55 | streuner | tactless: just choose PS/2 |
| 18:50.59 | tactless | And it's about 30% faster on my laptop. It moves too quickly. |
| 18:51.16 | furrywolf | since when did scanner apps care that a printer even exists? |
| 18:51.24 | furrywolf | or is this a multi-function machine, which you forgot to mention? |
| 18:51.31 | furrywolf | (and called it a usb printer) |
| 18:51.40 | Seb | caphuso: i just create a new file with a name I choose in this dir ? |
| 18:51.43 | tactless | On my PC, setting 'xset m 0 10' makes it really slow, whereas doing the same thing on my laptop brings it down to slightly-above-what-I-want speed. |
| 18:51.50 | ecobit | one other question: foomatic-gui is cool but it doesn't even offer a choice to scan for usb printers. is there something missing? |
| 18:51.50 | tactless | Same WM on both (Openbox). |
| 18:51.54 | tactless | No special X settings. |
| 18:51.55 | tactless | Any ideas? |
| 18:51.59 | caphuso | Seb: yes |
| 18:52.02 | Seb | caphuso: cool |
| 18:52.11 | ecobit | furrywolf, yes its a multifunction hp |
| 18:52.16 | ixi | shingouz: but it works with the system while I need to maintain SOME tree of packages. |
| 18:52.32 | furrywolf | hp multifunction devices suck. :P |
| 18:52.40 | ecobit | furrywolf, i wholly agree |
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| 18:52.40 | shingouz | ixi: huh? |
| 18:52.56 | r3tr0 | furrywolf: c'mon - anything with a 30M driver has GOT to rock... |
| 18:53.18 | shingouz | !lart r3tr0 |
| 18:53.24 | ixi | shingouz: I got 15 ISOs and want to use them as a apt source for entire LAN. The question is HOW to updagrade tree? |
| 18:53.36 | madclicker | am running firefox on debian, and have no luck installing themes nor extensions. I receive a prompt for install but nothing happens. Does debian has some security features enabled that prevents install? |
| 18:53.36 | ixi | upgrade/update |
| 18:53.50 | r3tr0_upper_half | (reassembles self) |
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| 18:54.07 | FrozenSpoon | well apparently USB support can't be disabled... guess a kernel recompile is in order. |
| 18:54.18 | shingouz | ixi: so do you use a local apt repository? |
| 18:54.44 | shingouz | FrozenSpoon: modprobe -r uhci-hcd |
| 18:54.52 | Tabitha | madclicker: Check preferences to ensure that allow web updates is enabled (not sure exactly what it's called or where it lives)... |
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| 18:55.18 | ixi | shingouz: thats what I want to get but have no idea do I configured things properly :) |
| 18:55.24 | r3tr0 | has anyone had problems with rsync stalling on a not-so-fat pipe? |
| 18:55.45 | r3tr0 | --bwlimit is only getting me so far... |
| 18:55.46 | ixi | shingouz: I got ISOs, extracted them and want to upgrate tree |
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| 18:56.07 | shingouz | ixi: so ask the channel how to set up a private repository then. personally i have no clue |
| 18:56.28 | shingouz | ..besedes i need a smoke... |
| 18:56.41 | ixi | shingouz: it must be similar to creating debian mirror? |
| 18:56.51 | shingouz | ixi: yes, i suppose so |
| 18:57.03 | shingouz | could be the same thing for that matter |
| 18:57.45 | ixi | Ok, channel, is there a guide for making a private apt repository? |
| 18:57.48 | ixi | :) |
| 18:57.56 | streuner | !own repo |
| 18:57.56 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
| 18:58.16 | ixi | streuner: thnx |
| 18:58.33 | FrozenSpoon | shingouz: had to modprobe -r usb-uhci too. Glad that was built as a module.... |
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| 18:59.11 | r3tr0 | night all. |
| 18:59.26 | Biss | quit |
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| 19:00.40 | ecobit | i suspect that a problem with the hp usb multifunction printer is that it is not being used via the usb 2 ehci driver. it shows up in usbview under a ohci port. is there some trick to get it to attach to the ehci driver? |
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| 19:01.17 | furrywolf | ecobit: it doesn't matter. |
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| 19:01.51 | ecobit | furrywolf, in the docs that i read, this multifunction POS only works with usb 2 |
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| 19:02.35 | furrywolf | hrmm |
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| 19:03.08 | yahalom | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.15 | furrywolf | !anyone |
| 19:03.15 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:03.21 | streuner | !ask |
| 19:03.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 19:03.59 | javier_ | hello there |
| 19:04.14 | yahalom | when my adsl disconnect i cannot reconnect by typing in the command. the only way i can do it is by rebooting. |
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| 19:04.32 | javier_ | i have some questions with debian |
| 19:04.39 | javier_ | who can help me please? |
| 19:04.56 | yahalom | !ask |
| 19:04.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 19:04.57 | deadcat | javier_: cut the foreplay and just ask |
| 19:05.16 | streuner | yaholom: really odd |
| 19:05.38 | streuner | yaholom: check the logs |
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| 19:06.19 | javier_ | I have install knoppix 3.7 on my hard disk. No problems. But i need to install some package for my system. My question: How? Because I dont need a huge list of package on my hard disk |
| 19:06.24 | klebian | anyone has installed a pop server with ldap autentication? |
| 19:06.29 | yahalom | streuner, i dont know which logs to check :( |
| 19:06.40 | yahalom | streuner, i'm new to pppoe i had cable till recently |
| 19:06.55 | streuner | yaholom: /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages |
| 19:07.20 | streuner | yaholom: How do you even start ppp? |
| 19:07.41 | paulswm | streuner: pon |
| 19:07.45 | yahalom | streuner, i dont know what i'm lookign for exactly |
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| 19:07.51 | yahalom | streuner, pppoe error? |
| 19:07.59 | paulswm | streuner: sorry, didn't read the conversation |
| 19:08.01 | streuner | yaholom: for example, ppp |
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| 19:09.16 | yahalom | streuner, all seems fine |
| 19:09.30 | jim | !info debian-edu-install |
| 19:09.32 | dpkg | debian-edu-install: (Override base-config to install Debian-Edu without questions.), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.646 (sid), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 182 kB |
| 19:09.34 | streuner | yaholom: did you switch ISP too? |
| 19:09.36 | javier_ | I repeat my problem. I need to install some packages , but I dont know where to begin, there are too many |
| 19:09.44 | ixi | streuner: back to own repo - that note from dpkg is almost thats what I already have... But my main problem is how to upgrade packages which are already in repo with newer versions? |
| 19:09.47 | yahalom | streuner, nope |
| 19:10.06 | streuner | yaholom: try that, if you get the same results look at your logs then |
| 19:10.22 | yahalom | streuner, also u know the pppoe gui, when i use that to redial it tries to dial pppoe1 instead of pppoe0 |
| 19:10.32 | klebian | i am trying to install a teapop with ldap, but the autentication is not funcional, anyone has idea? |
| 19:10.35 | sTone_heAd | does anybody recall default permissions for /tmp? |
| 19:11.32 | streuner | ixi: just apt-get install package (using a working i-net connection) |
| 19:11.33 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Damn... fucking laptops are expensive man... |
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| 19:12.21 | MobyTurbo | javier_: #knoppix. You aren't running Debian |
| 19:12.46 | streuner | drwxrwxrwt 11 root root 4096 2005-05-29 20:57 /tmp |
| 19:12.51 | jim | klebian: determine the problem, tell us what the problem is |
| 19:13.01 | yahalom | streuner, is this normal: Couldn't increase MTU to 1500 |
| 19:13.12 | jim | klebian: /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 19:13.12 | qbwdp | you guys can use usb devices in vmware? |
| 19:13.27 | yahalom | streuner, i also get: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 19:13.41 | yahalom | streuner, i keep getting d/c a lot |
| 19:13.50 | yahalom | streuner, especially when idle |
| 19:13.55 | streuner | yaholom: sounds like a misconifugaration of pppoe |
| 19:14.30 | yahalom | streuner, so i should run pppoeconf again? |
| 19:14.35 | klebian | bye |
| 19:14.38 | klebian | - |
| 19:14.44 | streuner | yaholom: yes |
| 19:14.54 | klebian | jim the authenticion simply dont work |
| 19:14.55 | yahalom | streuner, ok i'll try. thanx man. |
| 19:15.04 | jim | determine the problem |
| 19:15.15 | jim | check the bug tracking system |
| 19:15.49 | klebian | i put this line on /etc/teapop/teapop.passwd |
| 19:15.51 | klebian | ldap:/var/mail::192.168.10.10:389:ou=usuarios,dc=queimadasnet,dc=com,dc=br:simple: |
| 19:16.08 | BoomSie | How do I install a .deb while in installation mode? I've got an error while installing, so I did a md5sum over the ISO, everything is fine. Then I diff'ed the file from the ISO with a downloaded version, and the content was indeed different, while it was the exact same version. |
| 19:16.21 | streuner | yaholom: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch07s02.html#PPP |
| 19:16.43 | jim | klebian: I don't know a lot about ldap... but can you browse ou=usuarios,dc=queimadasnet,dc=com,dc=br ? |
| 19:16.56 | klebian | jim yes |
| 19:17.18 | klebian | using gq i can view the users located there |
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| 19:17.46 | jim | ok, anything interesing in the logs? |
| 19:17.47 | BoomSie | ( there is no dpkg available yet :( ) |
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| 19:18.02 | jim | dpkg: are you available yet? |
| 19:18.03 | bozomar | What is the ideal size for /tmp /var and / partition on a web+mail server? |
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| 19:18.40 | klebian | jim on /var/log/daemon.log has nothing about teapop |
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| 19:19.01 | Nielsen | bozomar: a gig each should be enough :) |
| 19:19.02 | jim | klebian: find out what teapop logs to |
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| 19:19.43 | klebian | jim dpkg -S teapop | grep log |
| 19:19.54 | klebian | has no entries |
| 19:19.54 | jim | bozomar: / should be fairly small; maybe 100mb or less |
| 19:20.06 | jim | klebian: read the man page :P |
| 19:20.23 | jim | that might tell you how to -arrange- for it to log somewhere... |
| 19:20.26 | bozomar | Nielsen: I've just installed woddy. My sizes: 1GB for /tmp 3GB for / and 5GB for /var. So this is a bit stupid, isn't it? |
| 19:20.36 | jim | once you know THAT, you can look to see what it DOES log to |
| 19:21.00 | jim | once you know that, you can watch the logs while you attempt |
| 19:21.01 | Nielsen | bozomar: maybe .. |
| 19:21.30 | jim | which is almost certainly what you want to do in order to find out what's going on |
| 19:21.37 | klebian | jim .. i think i need other pop server with ldap authentication |
| 19:21.40 | peritus | bozomar: installed woody these days? |
| 19:21.48 | klebian | jim do you know other? |
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| 19:22.21 | jim | no, not particularly |
| 19:22.28 | bozomar | peritus: Yes, it's a "test" server, i am waiting for sarge. And i want to learn more about building a web server box |
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| 19:22.52 | jim | but no matter what server you get, you're going to want to watch its logs |
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| 19:23.28 | klebian | jim i can't locate the logs |
| 19:23.31 | jim | watching server logs is COMMON practice |
| 19:23.55 | Vegar | Is it possible to automagically enter the password in a cvs login prompt in a bash script? |
| 19:24.03 | klebian | dpkg -S teapop | grep log has no entry... |
| 19:24.04 | dpkg | There is no record of a teapop |
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| 19:24.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: are you there? |
| 19:24.47 | TwistedEmotions | http://www.craigslist.org/nby/sys/75708820.html |
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| 19:24.54 | TwistedEmotions | Is that a good deal guys? |
| 19:24.54 | petemc | klebian: thats not surprising, check the docs, see where it logs to |
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| 19:25.26 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up |
| 19:25.27 | jim | petemc: so far, he hasn't done that, and I asked him to twice |
| 19:25.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: http://www.craigslist.org/nby/sys/75708820.html |
| 19:25.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: good deal or not? |
| 19:25.48 | petemc | jim: didnt read scrollback - i wouldnt ask a third time |
| 19:25.52 | paulswm | TwistedEmotions: If you think it is, it is. |
| 19:26.11 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: thats my machine (= |
| 19:26.17 | TwistedEmotions | paulswm: I dont know about mac cpu prices and all that.. |
| 19:26.21 | paulswm | Ah |
| 19:26.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How much did you pay? |
| 19:26.27 | jim | petemc: when I asked, he said "oh, I need a different pop server" |
| 19:26.44 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: $550 with applecare till aug 2006 (= |
| 19:26.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no wireless, cdrom only though |
| 19:27.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: and that is the same thing i have. |
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| 19:27.23 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah.. wireless I want... I dont care about DVD and all that.. |
| 19:27.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: so worth it? |
| 19:27.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: how $ |
| 19:27.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: $400 |
| 19:27.49 | tarzeau | jethro: ready? |
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| 19:28.04 | tarzeau | anyone wanna kill some time with http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 19:28.05 | paulswm | Not The Game again? |
| 19:28.10 | paulswm | heh |
| 19:28.10 | jethro | tarzeau: I m watching a movie at the moment |
| 19:28.10 | tarzeau | paulswm: hehe of course ;) |
| 19:28.11 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nice.. ask him for the serial #. so we can check ifs its defected or not. |
| 19:28.16 | tarzeau | paulswm: the dragons are bubbly |
| 19:28.19 | jim | welp, I got bobbros workin... pretty cool |
| 19:28.19 | jethro | paulswm: don't you like it? |
| 19:28.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk. |
| 19:28.31 | meds | what command do i use to apply patch-2.6.12-rc5 to my kernel tree? |
| 19:28.34 | paulswm | tarzeau: Not today, I'm sorry, you have fun |
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| 19:28.41 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the UV code underneath the keyboard. |
| 19:28.48 | paulswm | jethro: Yes, it is mucho addictive |
| 19:28.55 | jethro | paulswm: indeed :) |
| 19:28.57 | jim | meds: man patch (especially -p), man diff |
| 19:29.06 | jim | meds: experiment with patch and diff |
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| 19:29.24 | paulswm | And the animation/sound is very cute |
| 19:29.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk. |
| 19:29.36 | netfrog | bye all |
| 19:29.37 | jim | meds: it'll take you awhile, but you'll know it yourself |
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| 19:29.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: sounds like a good deal. |
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| 19:30.27 | laosiano | how do i configure xscreensaver to allow new logins instead of locking the screen??? |
| 19:30.48 | meds | jim: well i ran patch -p1 < ../patch-2.6.12-rc5 and some apply but then i get a few failures |
| 19:30.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ask for applecare just incase as well (= |
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| 19:31.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What is applecare? |
| 19:31.13 | jim | meds: so you ran the patch command correctly |
| 19:31.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: like warranty. |
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| 19:31.27 | meds | jim: am i supposed to apply that patch to 2.6.11.11 source? |
| 19:31.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: free fixin' at apple stores i think heheh. |
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| 19:31.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: It's not a store... so I dont think he can give me that |
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| 19:31.59 | jim | not sure; you have to determine that part (i.e., the question of "which thing does this patch apply cleanly to?") |
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| 19:32.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i know. but some people buy apple machines with applecare. for like 3 yrs $250 |
| 19:32.23 | paolob | Hi guys! How can I test two directory structures in order to know whether they are identical or not? thank you! |
| 19:32.29 | TwistedEmotions | Ahhh... will ask... he didnt pickup so well see. Maybe sold already. |
| 19:32.43 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. |
| 19:32.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: good deal. makes me jealous (= |
| 19:33.30 | meds | i don't think applecare is worth it. you don't need 24 hour phone support. and if anything breaks you can even get lcds on ebay for like 250-300 |
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| 19:34.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: well might be defective so.... |
| 19:34.29 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i once saw a 900mhz, dvdrom, 14", airport card, airport base station for $600, i hesitated because i was getting the one i am using. by the time i email him, someone was ahead of me. )=.. i should have gotten 2 ibooks. |
| 19:34.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: he said runs like a champ (=.... i always believe them hahahah |
| 19:35.08 | TwistedEmotions | hahahaha |
| 19:35.18 | TwistedEmotions | Maybe champ is on his way to death. |
| 19:35.19 | laosiano | how do i configure xscreensaver to allow new logins instead of locking the screen??? |
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| 19:37.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/sys/75944396.html 325$ was his offer. |
| 19:37.01 | bozomar | laosiano: What do you use for x-window? If gnome, use >Applications>Desktop Preferences>XScreensaver |
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| 19:37.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: dont like that though because of external CD-Rom |
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| 19:38.18 | laosiano | bozomar: ok and then? |
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| 19:39.01 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: thats crap. my friend is trying sell his too. i bought that once for $320 or $300. had it for 1 week. sold it... bat or cpu hot as hell. never got sleeping to work. |
| 19:39.07 | bozomar | laosiano: Disable "Lock Screen After" |
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| 19:39.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/for.sale/ and look there. |
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| 19:39.58 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What folder? |
| 19:40.39 | laosiano | bozomar: the issue is that when i start a new session in gnome without closing a previous one, and then i logout, i find that my screen is locked even if i ve already disabled that option in desktop preferences |
| 19:40.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: for sale |
| 19:40.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: dell1400? |
| 19:41.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: make sure the ibook is not in this range: UV117XXXXXX to UV342XXXXXX, if so check with emacguys.com (email them) to see if its qualify for free repair: http://www.apple.com/support/ibook/faq/ |
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| 19:41.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. thats the laptop. those images are from my l400 exept the closeup. that my friend's l400 |
| 19:42.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: his bat life is down to 5min i think (= |
| 19:42.21 | TwistedEmotions | Wow... |
| 19:42.23 | bozomar | laosiano: Sory i didn't get the situation... All i can say was that |
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| 19:42.33 | TwistedEmotions | new bat costs like 100 ;P |
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| 19:43.00 | ArcSine | what option is there in fstab for using charset utf-8? |
| 19:43.05 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How much is he selling for? |
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| 19:43.48 | ssb | ArcSine, depends on fs type |
| 19:43.55 | ArcSine | reiser |
| 19:44.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: tell him if he wants to sell for like 200 I'll do it... since I have to buy newb battery. |
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| 19:44.14 | enola | Hi guys. Can some body help me mounting my extstorage device |
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| 19:44.21 | ssb | ArcSine, none needed (iiuc) |
| 19:44.46 | enola | Its being mounted properly but its giving the permissions problems because its being mounted as read only |
| 19:45.03 | ArcSine | ssb: i used it in suse and now it looks like "250 kg Kärlek" |
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| 19:45.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah. but its hot though. and i didnt get sleeping to work. |
| 19:45.48 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: but wireless is much cheaper on x86 than ppc (= unless your ppc has pcmcia |
| 19:45.49 | jim | enola: why? |
| 19:46.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hot as in stolen right? I dont care... and do you mean it's IMPOSSIBLE to get sleeping to work or just hard work? |
| 19:46.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hot as in damn it burned my hand |
| 19:46.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: does it have USB ports or no? |
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| 19:46.37 | enola | jim: i think its probably because of the group permissions or something |
| 19:46.48 | enola | jim: not sure how to do the mount properly |
| 19:46.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: yes. usb... i never got it to work within the 1 week |
| 19:47.03 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: linux-laptop.net |
| 19:47.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You mean the laptop is LITTERALLY hot? As in CPU overheating? |
| 19:47.13 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: just hot as hell |
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| 19:47.42 | jim | enola: are you sure it's being mounted read only? |
| 19:47.51 | ArcSine | ssb: can't i force a specific charset? |
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| 19:48.16 | enola | jim: well it doesnt let me do ls as user |
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| 19:48.27 | enola | jim: it lets me do it only at root |
| 19:48.29 | jim | group permissions denied and mount read only are separate things |
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| 19:49.03 | jim | if it lets you write as any user (so here we see, -yes-, as root), then not mounted read only |
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| 19:49.11 | bozomar | ArcSine: charset paramater works... |
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| 19:49.17 | ArcSine | oh |
| 19:49.24 | enola | jim: the extstorage was originally used with windows |
| 19:49.27 | jim | you should be able to type "mount" to see what options were selected for the mount |
| 19:49.29 | ArcSine | charset=UTF-8? |
| 19:49.30 | enola | jim: ntfs actually |
| 19:49.37 | jim | ugh |
| 19:49.38 | bozomar | ArcSine: yes |
| 19:49.42 | ArcSine | ok thanks |
| 19:49.49 | jim | ntfs write is NOT recommended under linux |
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| 19:50.41 | jim | let me ask you this.... do you ever want to use this mem stick (that's what it is?) with windows ever again? |
| 19:51.01 | jim | or -only- linux? |
| 19:51.13 | enola | i have rw,user,noauto as fstab options |
| 19:51.15 | ArcSine | bozomar: i get an error when mounting |
| 19:51.21 | enola | jim: do you think i need change that |
| 19:51.22 | jerware | has anyone read beej's guide ? |
| 19:51.29 | jim | enola: probably not |
| 19:51.36 | ArcSine | bozomar: missing codepage maybe |
| 19:51.56 | enola | jim: well i dont need to using it windows, but i have like 120GB data on it |
| 19:52.06 | enola | jim: i dont want to be loosing that |
| 19:52.12 | jim | ok |
| 19:52.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: so what happens when you close the top cover? |
| 19:52.34 | bozomar | ArcSine: try iocharset |
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| 19:52.38 | jim | so what is this thing, an external HD, or a mem stick, or what? |
| 19:52.41 | ArcSine | ok |
| 19:52.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: its on. but the screen it blank |
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| 19:53.05 | jim | you probably said already; could you please repeat |
| 19:53.07 | ArcSine | bozomar: the same |
| 19:53.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: funk... |
| 19:53.20 | enola | jim: yeah external hd |
| 19:53.26 | jim | ok... |
| 19:53.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How much is he trying to sell it for... do you know? |
| 19:53.51 | enola | jim: do you think it would help if i change the group of the mount |
| 19:53.55 | jim | ntfs write... that's a problem in linux |
| 19:53.59 | jim | because |
| 19:53.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: $300 or something. |
| 19:54.24 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Worse comes to worse I suppose I could just format and try windows ;P |
| 19:54.28 | jim | ntfs is proprietary and unexposed... only reason linux has it: reverse engineered, maybe badly |
| 19:54.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahah. |
| 19:54.47 | bozomar | ArcSine: I've used it for win partition, and it's worked for me |
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| 19:54.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: the "hot" thing is scaring me though... |
| 19:55.06 | ArcSine | bozoma: thanks anyway |
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| 19:55.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. scares him too. |
| 19:56.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: maybe I can attach it to a freezes everywhere I go... does he know what inside is overheating? |
| 19:56.20 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: probably the HD... |
| 19:56.25 | bozomar | ArcSine: Did you try with other charsets, and try utf8 for utf-8 |
| 19:56.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: if you can, get the ibook. noise is noticable between the 2 |
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| 19:56.53 | ArcSine | bozomar: tried both with both io ant not io |
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| 19:57.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: waiting on the guy.. |
| 19:57.15 | deadcat | cool. |
| 19:57.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: dont think hes going to call back. |
| 19:57.28 | w00ter | Righto, i am not a real stranger to neither debian nor linux but what annoys me is the way it handles time. How do i make it just use my bios time? |
| 19:57.44 | jim | enola: other than using this drive, any other way to solve the problem you are now trying to solve with trying to write to this drive from linux? |
| 19:57.49 | caphuso | w00ter: youd don't. that's the whole trick |
| 19:58.05 | w00ter | I've set the right timezone and all |
| 19:58.06 | jim | enola: for example... could you back up this drive to, say, DVDs? |
| 19:58.10 | caphuso | otherwise you'd never have a useable time |
| 19:58.14 | enola | jim: my only doubt is because, it works fine as root |
| 19:58.27 | indole | BIOS time is unreliable. |
| 19:58.27 | enola | i can su and then use it |
| 19:58.33 | w00ter | It now is 2 hours fast. Hows that useable ;) |
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| 19:58.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I think I'm just going to wait for a better deal... gayness. |
| 19:58.57 | caphuso | w00ter: so you misconfigured it. big deal. fix it, be happy |
| 19:59.00 | bozomar | ArcSine: /dev/hda2 /NTFS ntfs iocharset=utf8,gid=disk,fmask=113,dmask=002,umask=002 0 0 this is an example i get from google |
| 19:59.00 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hehe. |
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| 19:59.14 | caphuso | w00ter: or do it like anyone else and use ntpdate/ntp-simple |
| 19:59.16 | ssb | ArcSine, no, you can't enforce a specific charset, but you can convert filenames using iconv, like this: for F in *; do N=$(echo $F | iconv -f UTF-8 -t your_codepage); mv -b "$F" "$N"; done |
| 19:59.25 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: weren't you already yelled at for using gay like that? |
| 19:59.29 | ArcSine | ssb: thanx! |
| 19:59.34 | w00ter | No I didn't misconfigure it. I think it's a flaw :) |
| 19:59.42 | caphuso | w00ter: no, it isn't |
| 19:59.43 | ssb | ArcSine, make backups ! :] |
| 19:59.48 | ArcSine | lol |
| 19:59.56 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: true. |
| 20:00.13 | enola | jim: and if i try to change the persimissons on the whole drive as root it doesnt let me change |
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| 20:00.17 | ArcSine | ssb: but how can i know my codepage? |
| 20:00.18 | websdale | enola:is it possible to change it from ntfs to fat32 in windows? |
| 20:00.28 | w00ter | So tell me then how this isn't a flaw? My bios time is correct. I set correct timezone and told the configger that my time ISNT set to GMT. |
| 20:00.30 | ssb | ArcSine, echo $LANG |
| 20:00.39 | ArcSine | ok |
| 20:00.49 | enola | websdale: not sure need to use something like partition magic i guess |
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| 20:00.58 | ArcSine | ssb: root@2[~]# echo $LANG |
| 20:01.02 | jim | enola: unix permissions do not correspond to ntfs permissions |
| 20:01.06 | websdale | enola: cos you can do fat32->ntfs in windows |
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| 20:01.31 | websdale | enola: but can you go back t'other way |
| 20:01.40 | ArcSine | ssb: says sv_SE |
| 20:01.51 | ultraviolet16 | hello.. I ran the command free in my console and it tells me the used memory by the kernel. how do I find the system memory available for other new processes? |
| 20:02.23 | enola | jim: Thats exactly what is going on i guess |
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| 20:02.42 | enola | websdale: not sure i need try it, with out loosing the data |
| 20:02.49 | ssb | uhm, i dunno what is default codepage for sv_SE locale, latin-1 probably |
| 20:02.51 | w00ter | Anyway, I want it to use my hardware clock. How do i go about it? |
| 20:02.58 | shingouz | ssb: latin-1 |
| 20:03.02 | jim | enola: you can't back the drive up? |
| 20:03.16 | azeem | w00ter: what's the issue with your hardware clock? |
| 20:03.17 | jim | using some windows backup program? |
| 20:03.31 | cmorgan | where did the amd64 pure64 gcc 3.4 servers go? and why is nvidia-kernel-source missing from the sid pure64 packages? |
| 20:03.35 | w00ter | Nothing, only my system time runs 2 hours ahead |
| 20:03.45 | websdale | enola: win32 definitely lets you fat32->ntfs without losing data |
| 20:03.52 | jim | a HD is NOT good backup media... too many moving parts |
| 20:03.59 | ultraviolet16 | can someone tell me the command to find out the free RAM available for new processes? |
| 20:04.09 | azeem | w00ter: so you probably got the wrong time zone configured, or your system thinks your hardware clock is set to UTC, while it is set to local time |
| 20:04.10 | caphuso | ultraviolet16: free |
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| 20:04.19 | ultraviolet16 | free tells me what the kernel is using |
| 20:04.21 | ultraviolet16 | doesn't it? |
| 20:04.22 | jim | ultraviolet16: man free |
| 20:04.24 | ssb | cmorgan, http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/05/msg00035.html |
| 20:04.33 | w00ter | azeem: how do i change it to localtime? |
| 20:04.35 | enola | jim: supposing that i can do you want me backup and actually format the whole drive in linux |
| 20:04.44 | azeem | w00ter: do you have Windows running on the box as well? |
| 20:04.51 | cmorgan | ssb: isn't it the 29th of may now? |
| 20:04.53 | jim | enola: that would be one option... |
| 20:05.08 | jim | my tendency would be to format it as ext3 |
| 20:05.22 | cmorgan | ssb: oh i gotcha. blah. someone should update the alioth amd64 howto |
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| 20:05.29 | jim | as far as I've read, ext3 is the most stable filesystem available to linux |
| 20:05.34 | ssb | cmorgan, yes :) |
| 20:05.55 | cmorgan | ssb: how is that normally done? |
| 20:06.00 | jim | but another possibility is to format it as fat32 |
| 20:06.01 | cmorgan | ssb: updating the alioth guide? |
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| 20:06.16 | ssb | dunno |
| 20:06.20 | w00ter | azeem: no |
| 20:06.27 | jim | but then you run into the perms problem |
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| 20:07.09 | enola | jim: how about making the drive shared in windows and then try mounting it again |
| 20:07.36 | jim | you mean mount it over samba? |
| 20:07.37 | mysurfguide | You guys know any similair monitoring package such as Samhains Beltane, but is actually free?. |
| 20:07.44 | jim | sure, that's worth a try |
| 20:08.27 | jim | mysurfguide: describe what it is and what it does... some people may have never heard of that |
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| 20:08.40 | azeem | w00ter: so either check /etc/default/rcS for the UTC setting or adjust the hardware clock via 'sudo hwclock' |
| 20:09.09 | qpee | hi i'm using flite and want it to output to alsa and not do /dev/dsp. how could i do that? the docs don't tell me a thing |
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| 20:09.10 | mysurfguide | Oh sorry Jim, samhains is an integrity check and monitoring package for linux, which provides as a logging database for various activities around the kernel. |
| 20:09.15 | ArcSine | ssb: how can I make your code work recursively? |
| 20:09.23 | w00ter | azeem: thanks, I will have a looksee over there |
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| 20:10.05 | jim | ArcSine: write a recursive function that invokes it |
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| 20:10.22 | ArcSine | jim: easier said than done |
| 20:10.24 | cmorgan | ssd: i wouldn't mind helping out, this amd64 stuff is a pain in the ass enough without having out-of-date directions |
| 20:10.29 | Web500 | Æóòü êàêàÿ... íàðîäó-òî %) |
| 20:10.56 | Nielsen | Web500: english please |
| 20:11.02 | mysurfguide | lol |
| 20:11.18 | Web500 | ok :) |
| 20:11.19 | ArcSine | ssb: can I chane my system's charset instead? |
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| 20:13.07 | mysurfguide | Can anybody recommend a good Integrity check (with database or filing monitoring) system for debian?, preferably with an accessible web-interface that is. (FREE) lol |
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| 20:14.05 | websdale | mysurfguide:I think 'tripwire' is worth a look |
| 20:14.17 | mysurfguide | Cool, ty websdale |
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| 20:14.35 | ixi | 'tasksel' question. I do 'tasksel install desktop' but apt-get installs _nothing_ w/o any error messages. Why? |
| 20:14.53 | mysurfguide | I got samhain running but need a webinterface for it , and got too much on my back to throw one together, and dont know the structuring of samhain too well yet |
| 20:14.57 | jim | ixi: you tell us why |
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| 20:15.26 | jim | ixi: you're the one that got the error messages :) |
| 20:15.41 | ixi | jim: w/o === without |
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| 20:16.05 | ssb | ArcSine, yes |
| 20:16.06 | ixi | jim: "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed" |
| 20:16.13 | ssb | ArcSine, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:16.14 | jim | it's done |
| 20:16.21 | ArcSine | ssb: thanks |
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| 20:16.27 | jim | that's the only thing I can think of |
| 20:16.37 | cmorgan | ssb: any hints on how to install the nvidia drivers with those sources? nvidia-kernel-source isn't available |
| 20:16.45 | furrywolf | grrr. why do people set their bittorrent clients not to upload? what are they thinking? "other people use their time and money to help me, but I'm not doing jack shit back."? |
| 20:17.04 | kensuke | furrywolf: sounds about right |
| 20:17.13 | mysurfguide | yup |
| 20:17.23 | mysurfguide | too afraid of bandwidth |
| 20:17.26 | jim | furrywolf: so if you supply warez, you want them to supply warez right back, huh? |
| 20:17.32 | mysurfguide | they would rather drop or waste it then share it |
| 20:17.43 | ixi | Why could tasksel install nothing? |
| 20:17.57 | kensuke | ixi: there was nothing to install ? |
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| 20:18.21 | ssb | cmorgan, there was long flame about nvidia vs new amd64 arhive, i think you can get hints there :) |
| 20:18.24 | ixi | kensuke: tasksel install desktop is more then nothing I guess :) |
| 20:18.28 | kensuke | ixi: screw tasksel anyhow, just apt-get the stuff you need |
| 20:18.31 | jim | I thought I just suggested that, but ok... it needed repeating I guess |
| 20:18.33 | furrywolf | jim: if by warez, you mean an old movie that is unavailable through any form of purchase, then yes. |
| 20:18.48 | mysurfguide | websdale, funniest thing, tripwire depends on exim4 ?!?! |
| 20:18.50 | furrywolf | not even any copies on ebay. (I checked) |
| 20:18.51 | cmorgan | ssb: haha. i'll look in may around the time of the switch for it. |
| 20:18.54 | jim | well |
| 20:19.03 | jim | don't complain here about that; it's off topic |
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| 20:19.06 | kensuke | furrywolf: is that a legal definition ? hehe |
| 20:19.06 | websdale | ixi:the keyword has to correspond to the Task field in a given package |
| 20:19.11 | jim | besides |
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| 20:19.31 | websdale | mysurfguide: for mailing the results I suppose :) |
| 20:19.33 | jim | what can anyone here do about someone you're interacting with that you cannot? |
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| 20:19.39 | mysurfguide | man, that sucks hehe |
| 20:19.41 | ^2 | hi |
| 20:19.45 | ixi | websdale: tasksel --list-tasks does list 'desktop' |
| 20:19.51 | furrywolf | jim: you probably have more bandwidth. want some of their IPs? :P |
| 20:19.57 | paulswm | I expect people disable uploads because of drawing attention from their ISPs. |
| 20:20.07 | jim | I don't want anything from them |
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| 20:20.22 | furrywolf | paulswm: but do they not get that the whole concept of file sharing doesn't work if they don't share? |
| 20:20.32 | ^2 | does anybody of you know a x-terminal emulator that can display an underline cursor instead of a block cursor? |
| 20:20.44 | furrywolf | jim: I was more thinking of you giving them something... a large amount of bandwidth in thier direction, perhaps. |
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| 20:20.51 | paulswm | *shrug* |
| 20:20.53 | websdale | ixi:well that's odd isn't it :) - could you have already installed those packages? |
| 20:21.10 | ^2 | I searched the web and the man pages of xterm, aterm and Eterm... i didn't find anything... |
| 20:21.13 | jim | furrywolf: I have zero interest in supporting questionable distribution |
| 20:21.28 | furrywolf | oh well. /me stops before he turns it into another rant about how 99% of the population is composed of selfish, greedy morons who think of no one but themselves. |
| 20:21.31 | paulswm | !prize jim |
| 20:21.31 | jim | and again, it's off topic |
| 20:21.32 | ixi | websdale: no way... It would take sometime and I remeber no such delays :) |
| 20:22.00 | websdale | ixi:no I mean before you ran tasksel |
| 20:22.04 | mtnman | iirc, jim doesn't drink alcohol |
| 20:22.15 | jim | furrywolf: sheesh. please go away... I never want to hear it |
| 20:22.45 | paulswm | furrywolf: breaking copyright laws is in itself the action of "selfish, greedy morons who think of no one but themselves" |
| 20:22.59 | seldon | Heh. Can I get the source code for the dpkg bot in this channel somewhere? I want to know the nickometer algorithm... |
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| 20:23.12 | mtnman | paulswm: the same could be said of those who abuse copyright laws. |
| 20:23.13 | jethro | seldon: blootbot.sf.net |
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| 20:23.15 | ixi | websdale: before tasksel I ran debian installer and before it windows lived here. Well, I'll continue w/o tasksel.. |
| 20:23.26 | jim | seldon: sure... dpkg is a blootbot, blootbot is on sf.org |
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| 20:23.37 | paulswm | mtnman: Yes, that's what I meant by breaking them. |
| 20:24.03 | mtnman | paulswm: by "abusing" i meant those who use the law to their (unfair) advantage. |
| 20:24.12 | furrywolf | paulswm: umm. what part of "unavailable" didn't you get? maybe you might be able to hunt up a used vhs tape in a used video shop somewhere, but seeing as it's not even on ebay, that might be hard. somehow I don't think downloading it is hurting anyone. it is, however, helping people, since I share at 95% of my bandwidth 24/7... |
| 20:24.16 | websdale | capitalism ( & anything to do with it) is a rigged game |
| 20:24.46 | jim | I'm guessing the owner of the film gets to choose how available he/she wants to make it... |
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| 20:24.55 | mtnman | +websdale |
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| 20:25.23 | furrywolf | jim: no. just like albums, the distributers decide those things, not the people actually responsible for the intellectual property. |
| 20:25.40 | furrywolf | paulswm: in other words, you can't find a flaw in my argument, so you're going to refuse to discuss it, eh? |
| 20:26.07 | jim | the whole discussion DOES NOT BELONG HERE |
| 20:26.18 | streuner | !politics |
| 20:26.19 | dpkg | i guess politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
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| 20:27.04 | univac | i bootsraping my debian on arm, but i havent base-config file |
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| 20:27.31 | azeem | univac: how are you bootstrapping? |
| 20:28.07 | univac | debootstrap |
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| 20:28.37 | paulswm | !prize streuner |
| 20:29.08 | streuner | paulswm: i would rather prefer some cold shower, its pretty hot here... ;-) |
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| 20:29.20 | joe|code | I am seeing that my xserver does not have the xshape extension. Can I fix this? |
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| 20:29.40 | paulswm | streuner: perhaps a nice ice cold litre of lager :) |
| 20:29.43 | streuner | paulswm: besides, politics causes here only trouble... |
| 20:30.12 | paulswm | streuner: Yes, sorry I was drawn in, my livelihood depends on copyrights and I get a bit steamed :) |
| 20:30.31 | kensuke | paulswm: what do you do ? |
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| 20:30.59 | kensuke | paulswm: if you dont mind me prying ;-) |
| 20:30.59 | paulswm | kensuke: I'm an IT technical professional. |
| 20:31.27 | jim | do you create copyrighted materials? |
| 20:31.28 | kensuke | paulswm: what do you copyright ? |
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| 20:32.17 | paulswm | kensuke: I don't copyright anything, but my employer does. |
| 20:32.30 | kensuke | paulswm: ok, understood |
| 20:32.40 | r3tr0 | i was under the impression just about /everything/ you do is copyrighted... |
| 20:32.56 | paulswm | kensuke: sorry to be evasive, I'm a bit private about it, is all :) |
| 20:32.57 | jim | so you create materials your employer copyrights |
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| 20:33.20 | paulswm | jim: No, IT is not my employer's business. |
| 20:33.37 | furrywolf | if your livelihood depends on copyrights, maybe you should get a real job? perhaps, say, one that makes money in some other fashion that depriving people of something? |
| 20:33.39 | furrywolf | bbl, food. |
| 20:34.01 | r3tr0 | wow. |
| 20:34.04 | paulswm | What an idiot |
| 20:34.13 | ^2 | does anybody of you know a x terminal emulator that can display an underline-cursor instead of the block cursor? |
| 20:34.29 | Phated | I'd like to see which job doesn't deprive someone of something or other. |
| 20:34.32 | kensuke | ^2 ... cant you set that use setterm ? |
| 20:34.50 | Phated | paulswm: It actually did look mildly appetising, to my horror. |
| 20:35.01 | furrywolf | you're using copyright law to say that I shouldn't be allowed to watch an out-of-print, unavailable movie. if you think I'm an idiot, you might want to consider the argument you're making there. |
| 20:35.08 | furrywolf | now bbl, I hear my soup boiling over. |
| 20:35.12 | jethro | furrywolf: it's not as if #debian cared |
| 20:35.19 | deadcat | damn it feels good to be a gansta.. .muttrc and .screenrc is working together. (= |
| 20:35.40 | Phated | deadcat: Sweet, what are they doing? |
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| 20:35.41 | jim | "<Phated> I'd like to see ..." <-- good point. |
| 20:35.52 | Phated | Thank you. |
| 20:36.01 | deadcat | Phated: colors in .mutt (= |
| 20:36.08 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 20:36.10 | paulswm | I certainly don't care, the guy is obviously out of touch with reality anyway. |
| 20:36.26 | ^2 | kensuke: setterm doesn't seem to help it... |
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| 20:36.42 | furrywolf | back for about 30 seconds, then it'll be ready to eat |
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| 20:36.47 | deadcat | Phated: you use mutt? |
| 20:36.55 | jethro | !tell furrywolf -about away |
| 20:36.56 | kensuke | ^2 ... what you using ? xterm ? |
| 20:36.57 | Phated | deadcat: Yeah. |
| 20:36.59 | deadcat | hehe |
| 20:37.09 | jim | I'm trying to find out whether a particular kernel image package supports sata... looking at its config file now... what to search for? |
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| 20:37.25 | ^2 | kensuke: currently, yes |
| 20:37.28 | jim | I'm looking at block devices now too, nothing stands out |
| 20:37.53 | pekkele | hello, im installin X in my system.. i have winfast geforce 2 agp.. whitch driver is must try??? |
| 20:38.01 | Phated | jim: Loading the config into make menuconfig might perhaps make it easier to browse? |
| 20:38.01 | ^2 | But i would use any term as long as i can adjust the bg/fg-color and can use an underline-cursor. |
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| 20:38.16 | streuner | pekkele: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 20:38.21 | streuner | oh, sorry |
| 20:38.35 | jim | Phated: that's true too... but I just found "# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA is not set" |
| 20:38.40 | pekkele | streuner dats winfast |
| 20:38.44 | chaps0063 | hello all. |
| 20:38.53 | streuner | pekkele: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i VGA' say? |
| 20:38.56 | furrywolf | paulswm: perhaps in your reality, things should cease being available if the original distributer stops selling them. You must not like libraries very much, do you? Sorry, but in my reality, downloading a video THAT IS NOT FOR SALE ANYWHERE isn't hurting anyone. In fact, it's probably helping the authors of the video, as in a very slight way, it makes them more well known. Would you please say why, exactly, this is bad? |
| 20:38.58 | streuner | ok |
| 20:39.02 | kensuke | ^2: I like eterm, dunno if it will work though, Im in console at my house so I cant check foryou |
| 20:39.03 | Phated | jim: No clue, then, I don't use SATA very much. |
| 20:39.40 | pekkele | streuner do i t work with winfast ? |
| 20:39.40 | chaps0063 | Hi, I am having trouble getting my vertical scroll to work. |
| 20:39.40 | Phated | Eterm shows a block cursor for me, but I've no idea if that can be changed, probably can. |
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| 20:39.41 | jethro | furrywolf: you are boring with your off topic convo |
| 20:39.49 | streuner | pekkele: check out status site at xfree86.org, some of nvidia chipsets are supported |
| 20:39.51 | jethro | furrywolf: and you've been told that quite a few times now, so please behave |
| 20:39.51 | jim | Phated: since requests involving installing debian on new machines with sata drives is becoming common, I'm trying my hand at building images that would work for that |
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| 20:39.58 | kensuke | furrywolf: dude, your reality and opinions dont come into this. If its legal in your country, then so be it, if its not, then you live with your decision. Finish and klaar |
| 20:40.00 | ^2 | kensuke: I searched through the man-page of Eterm... i didn't find anything... |
| 20:40.06 | paulswm | furrywolf: stop being such a self absorbed inconsiderate wanker. |
| 20:40.08 | streuner | pekkele: if not /msg dpkg nvidia and try that |
| 20:40.09 | furrywolf | kensuke: laws are irrelevant. |
| 20:40.10 | jethro | kensuke: please don't feed the troll |
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| 20:40.25 | kensuke | jethro: hehe, sorry |
| 20:40.30 | sobersabre | need some help with hotkeys conf. |
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| 20:40.33 | Phated | jim: I see. Have you tried querying dpkg about sata? Maybe it has some info on what options need to be set. |
| 20:40.37 | r3tr0 | ^2: might try aterm... |
| 20:40.46 | sobersabre | installed "hotkeys" package. |
| 20:40.52 | chaps0063 | can someone give me a hand, I have my touchpad setup correctly except for the fact that my middle buttons for scroll do not work. |
| 20:41.00 | ^2 | r3tr0: i also search through the manpage of aterm - no result. |
| 20:41.02 | furrywolf | paulswm: once again, you attack me, rather than answering. Thus I'll conclude you don't actually have an argument, and are going to make personal attacks instead. in which case I'm going to let you continue living in your reality (if you could call it that), and have a nice bowel of hot chicken soup. |
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| 20:41.05 | sobersabre | ran the binary with proper model. |
| 20:41.30 | kensuke | furrywolf: without laws, debian its self falls over. Have you not read the myriad rules and obligations ? come come, this is nonsensical |
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| 20:41.45 | Phated | For god's SAKE, kensuke, drop it, if he wants to. |
| 20:41.52 | sobersabre | furrywolf, a nice bowl of hot chicken soup with hot sweet chilli souce is nice... |
| 20:41.54 | kensuke | k |
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| 20:42.37 | kensuke | ^2: sorry man ... no can help then |
| 20:43.04 | giupy | chaps0063, what kind? synaptics ? |
| 20:43.06 | sobersabre | ^2, missed your inquiry... what was it ? |
| 20:43.16 | pekkele | is there Xfce 4.2.2 for debian sarge allready |
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| 20:43.27 | chaps0063 | giupy, i believe so. |
| 20:43.27 | joe|code | How would I get the shape extension to work? |
| 20:43.43 | Phated | pekkele: Sarge is frozen, there won't be any new packages in it. |
| 20:43.49 | chealer | pekkele: no |
| 20:44.07 | chaps0063 | giupy, how can I verify that it is? |
| 20:44.08 | giupy | chaps0063, have you installed xfree86-synaptics-driver ? |
| 20:44.12 | ^2 | sobersabre: i asked where anybody in here knows a terminal emulator that can display an underline cursor instead of the block cursor. |
| 20:44.18 | ixi | websdale: I've just found that 'tasksel --task-packages desktop' returns an empty list! |
| 20:44.22 | ^2 | s/where/whether/ |
| 20:44.30 | chaps0063 | giupy, no. |
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| 20:44.50 | pekkele | aham..Phated in whitch re? |
| 20:45.05 | chaps0063 | giupy, can I use apt-get to get them? |
| 20:45.09 | Phated | pekkele: Excuse me? |
| 20:45.11 | giupy | chaps0063, install that pkg and.....ehm search on google for the right params fir XF86Config |
| 20:45.14 | giupy | chaps0063, yes |
| 20:45.25 | pekkele | Phated: if sarge is frozen |
| 20:45.31 | medum | does ndiswrapper work on powerpc? |
| 20:45.32 | websdale | ixi:but did you say there are packages with that keyword? |
| 20:45.39 | Phated | pekkele: ... And? |
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| 20:45.46 | Phated | Couldn't he just drxx once the synaptics driver is installed? |
| 20:45.46 | chaps0063 | giupy, says it can't be found using its full name. |
| 20:45.57 | pekkele | Phated: whitch distro then?? |
| 20:45.57 | Phated | Oooh, rambutans, lovely. |
| 20:46.11 | Phated | pekkele: How should I know? It won't be on sarge, anyway. |
| 20:46.27 | giupy | chaps0063, xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 20:46.27 | Phated | pekkele: It will probably make it into etch. |
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| 20:46.52 | pekkele | Phated: miauu ok |
| 20:46.54 | chaps0063 | giupy, thanks. |
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| 20:47.29 | giupy | chaps0063, you must load the driver in XF86Config and set the params you want like touch or scroll ecc...... |
| 20:47.38 | n0dez | hey |
| 20:47.40 | mikkele | how do you change the display manager? |
| 20:48.10 | giupy | mikkele, like gdm or kdm ? |
| 20:48.14 | jim | hmmm,,, and now I find: "CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=y" |
| 20:48.15 | n0dez | are there any qt synaptic clients? |
| 20:48.24 | Phated | mikkele: Remove the one you have, install a new one? :) |
| 20:48.31 | osh | n0dez: kynaptic. its' not good though. |
| 20:48.37 | mikkele | giupy right. I want to try gdm instead of xdm |
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| 20:48.46 | n0dez | osh, ok. thx |
| 20:48.52 | osh | n0dez: not as good as synaptic that is. |
| 20:48.56 | giupy | mikkele, Phated has answered you |
| 20:49.01 | fcorrea_home | hi srs...need some help with apache2 here |
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| 20:49.43 | jim | fcorrea_home: first we would need to know what the problem is (/msg dpkg sicco) |
| 20:49.59 | fcorrea_home | after apt-getting it, when I acess localhost, it displays html as text |
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| 20:50.16 | n0dez | how can i remove config files left by apps i had installed... using apt-get not synaptic |
| 20:50.26 | websdale | ixi:sorry I remember - 'desktop' was listed as a possible task - What's the point of desktop as a keyword then zero I suppose |
| 20:50.29 | jim | fcorrea_home: what file name |
| 20:50.40 | kensuke | n0dez: dpkg --purge <pkgname> (i think) |
| 20:50.46 | fcorrea_home | jim: index.html |
| 20:50.55 | jim | n0dez: man dpkg, you're looking for --purge |
| 20:51.01 | n0dez | ok |
| 20:51.03 | n0dez | thx |
| 20:51.09 | kensuke | np |
| 20:51.09 | fcorrea_home | jim: I moved index.html.en to index.html |
| 20:51.10 | n0dez | no apt-get support? |
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| 20:51.39 | jim | man apt-get and see |
| 20:51.48 | n0dez | right now i don't have any debian machine next me |
| 20:51.53 | n0dez | so i can't man dpkg |
| 20:51.54 | jim | you're asking for what, us to paraphrase the manual? |
| 20:51.55 | n0dez | :( |
| 20:52.04 | Phated | n0dez: apt-get remove --purge <package>. |
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| 20:52.16 | sobersabre | guys. hotkeys. |
| 20:52.21 | n0dez | Phated, thanks :) |
| 20:52.31 | sobersabre | when setkeycodes shall be run ? |
| 20:52.46 | Phated | n0dez: If you've already removed the package, I suppose you could always reinstall and then --purge. :) |
| 20:52.51 | sobersabre | how can i add a map/something to permanently remember this setting ? |
| 20:52.55 | fcorrea_home | jim: Should I set anything else here to get it to work?? |
| 20:52.55 | n0dez | no jim. it was a quick question |
| 20:53.05 | chaps0063 | reading through a forum, it talks about editing /etc/init.d/boot.local, I noticed this is not the case for debian, where is a similar file? |
| 20:53.30 | jim | n0dez: for which some would have to look it up anyway... that someone might as well be the requester, you :) |
| 20:53.47 | n0dez | all i want it's remove the config files either by do it all at once or removing after the package has been uninstalled |
| 20:53.54 | mikkele | Phated: but I don't think you can remove xdm and gdm is installed but doesn't run. I'm looking for a config file. in gentoo there was /etc/rc.conf but I don't know the debian equivalent |
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| 20:54.29 | jim | n0dez: if you want to remove config files, you'd have to be near a debian machine or sshed into one |
| 20:54.33 | Phated | mikkele: Yes, you can. Ever tried? |
| 20:54.34 | kensuke | mikkele: I recall an /etc/defaults file of some sorts... or was it an /etc/alternatives ? something of the sort |
| 20:54.34 | n0dez | i do check mans but as i already said no nearby debian machines here :( |
| 20:54.38 | n0dez | for the moment |
| 20:54.40 | jim | so... you can man then. |
| 20:54.43 | giupy | mikkele, when you install a new dm debconf ask you wich do you want to use |
| 20:54.50 | Phated | kensuke: It was alternatives. |
| 20:55.00 | kensuke | Phated: thanx |
| 20:55.02 | chaps0063 | thoughts? |
| 20:55.08 | jim | n0dez: if that is the case, then you cannot remove debian config files at the moment either |
| 20:55.11 | n0dez | jim i'm giving debian sarge a whirl |
| 20:55.12 | giupy | mikkele, or dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:55.17 | mikkele | giupy oh ok |
| 20:55.20 | Phated | Not sure if *dm is fiddled with in there, though. |
| 20:55.25 | n0dez | i'm installing it right now |
| 20:55.33 | |XO3| | need some help with xargs and find...i want it to find a file and then run those files through my script...the script only takes one file at a time though |
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| 20:55.39 | jim | n0dez: that;s good :) hope you enjoy it... |
| 20:55.40 | n0dez | i wanna see how it runs on my lappie |
| 20:55.51 | kensuke | Phated: I think the startup scripts for both check to see if its the default to be started |
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| 20:55.54 | pekkele | how i can install firefox :D |
| 20:55.55 | caphuso | |XO3|: find -exec yourscript {} \; |
| 20:56.12 | jim | but again, you'll have the information once you finish the install |
| 20:56.13 | giupy | pekkele, apt-get install ? |
| 20:56.16 | Phated | !tell pekkele about search |
| 20:56.16 | kensuke | pekkele: are you serious? apt-get install mozilla-forefox |
| 20:56.23 | n0dez | i tried debian a long time ago and it's been improved a lot |
| 20:56.30 | n0dez | i'm gonna start with testing |
| 20:56.39 | n0dez | then probably i'll go unstable |
| 20:56.45 | jim | kensuke: originally, I didn't know the name "mozilla-firefox" for firefox eitehr |
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| 20:57.12 | chaps0063 | editing /etc/init.d/boot.local, i cannot find this, what is a similar file/location for debian? |
| 20:57.21 | pekkele | kensuke: yeah i am! thanks.. i was searching only firefox withput mozilla :( mee sux sorry |
| 20:57.52 | jim | it's due to a pair of things... one, debian developers like to use package names that are different from the original source distribution name... for whatever reason. |
| 20:58.00 | kensuke | pekkele: its cool. You should try searchin abit b4 asking those things, so as to avoid the FLAMES :-) |
| 20:58.10 | websdale | pekkele : if you've got gnome you probably want mozilla-firefox-gnome-support |
| 20:58.36 | jim | two, there is still not a reliable mapping between debian package name and original source distribution name |
| 20:58.52 | pekkele | websdale: i like xfce more :) |
| 20:58.59 | jim | this has the effect of containing users |
| 20:59.21 | websdale | pekkele: & a locale package like mozilla-firefox-locale-"your locale" |
| 20:59.28 | kensuke | MrScotty: does anyone else find that copying big files from atapi cdroms often buggers out ? Is there something Im missing to tweak linux on the kernel level ? |
| 20:59.39 | chaps0063 | is there a similar file for debian? |
| 20:59.58 | kensuke | chaps0063: What are you trying to achieve with this file ? |
| 21:00.13 | jim | since there's no way to ask "I saw this free software source tarball... its name is foo.... there's no debian package named foo... but is there a differently named debian package that packages foo, and what's it called?" |
| 21:00.39 | chaps0063 | kensuke, reading through a forum, i want to add setserial to see if my tablet will begin to work. |
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| 21:01.19 | kensuke | chaps0063: Setserial has its own startup scripts in debian. You wont need to add it to some arb one. You could just run the command to test it though |
| 21:01.21 | jim | chaps0063: is your serial port soemthing like a 16550a? |
| 21:01.34 | daft | How can i print to a windows printer? |
| 21:01.34 | |XO3| | caphuso thanks |
| 21:01.47 | alfadir | jim: apt-cache search foo ? |
| 21:01.47 | n0dez | osh: i can't find any package named kynaptic |
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| 21:02.08 | jim | is that a reliable mapping? |
| 21:02.31 | chaps0063 | jim, says it should be 'setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550' |
| 21:02.33 | websdale | daft:is it a network printer? |
| 21:02.42 | osh | n0dez: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22850 |
| 21:02.48 | alfadir | jim: maybe not.. but hits pretty often. harder with general words. |
| 21:02.51 | chaps0063 | kensuke, this 'setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550' is what im supposed to add. |
| 21:03.06 | jim | chaps0063: so you do have a 16550 serial port chip(set)? |
| 21:03.10 | daft | websdale: yes im using kde as gui if that makes a divrence |
| 21:03.12 | n0dez | osh, i searched on packages.debian.org |
| 21:03.33 | alfadir | jim: will hit libfoo-perl and similar.. |
| 21:03.44 | chaps0063 | jim, thats what im getting from this forum, its the same model machine that i have and that is what they have in their boot.local file in a diff. distro. |
| 21:03.44 | n0dez | and no luck |
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| 21:04.00 | websdale | daft:have you looked at the kde printer admin app? |
| 21:04.03 | BoarderTX | i have followed http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto and have successfully gotten ndiswrapper to list that my wifi usb is driver and hardware present! |
| 21:04.10 | BoarderTX | yet for some reason there is not a wlan0 listed under ifconfig |
| 21:04.15 | BoarderTX | i feel so close!! :) |
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| 21:04.20 | jim | chaps0063: you need to determine your hardware. what specifically do you have? |
| 21:04.31 | kensuke | daft: Ichaps0063: man setserial on a deb box, ti tells you about the config files I think |
| 21:04.37 | chaps0063 | Lifebook T4010. |
| 21:04.48 | kensuke | chaps0063: man setserial on a deb box, ti tells you about the config files I think |
| 21:04.56 | chaps0063 | kensuke, no dice. |
| 21:04.57 | alfadir | jim: also apt-file is pretty usefull |
| 21:04.57 | kensuke | :-) oops |
| 21:05.04 | osh | n0dez: it's not in the debian dist yet then. I can understand that since it's lacking a few "key features" imho. |
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| 21:05.15 | fcorrea_home | poli: I just figure that now |
| 21:05.16 | jim | what specific serial chips does a Lifebook T4010 have? |
| 21:05.28 | fcorrea_home | poli: the default type is set to text/plain |
| 21:05.28 | chaps0063 | will i find that out with lspci? |
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| 21:05.41 | jim | no; it's not a pci device |
| 21:05.43 | poli | fcorrea_home: change i and it should be ok |
| 21:05.52 | kensuke | bye |
| 21:05.54 | chaps0063 | then how do i go about it jim? |
| 21:05.58 | n0dez | osh, ok. thanks |
| 21:06.00 | chaps0063 | kensuke, thanks, later. |
| 21:06.01 | TwistedEmotions | What was that website for linux laptops again? |
| 21:06.01 | jim | read serial-howto |
| 21:06.04 | pekkele | when i ass users in debian what mean Room Number :D?? |
| 21:06.11 | kensuke | chaps0063: np, hope you come right |
| 21:06.12 | pekkele | is dat important |
| 21:06.12 | fcorrea_home | poli: thank you |
| 21:06.14 | slashdevil | BoarderTX: try iwconfig -a |
| 21:06.24 | alfadir | TwistedEmotions: ever used google... ? it is a nice site :) |
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| 21:06.30 | daft | websdale: yes but i cant select that it is a windows printer :/ |
| 21:06.39 | alfadir | TwistedEmotions: linux laptops should do it |
| 21:06.41 | r_marvin | pekkele: you _ass_ your users? gross... |
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| 21:06.43 | osh | n0dez: No problem. Kynaptic is a good start but if you should feel like extending it a bit I'm sure noone will mind. ;-) |
| 21:06.43 | BoarderTX | slashdevil: what does that do? right now iwconfig is listing l0 eth0 and sit0 |
| 21:06.59 | BoarderTX | iwconfig -a yields "-a no such device" |
| 21:07.04 | pekkele | r_marvin excusmee!!! |
| 21:07.14 | n0dez | hehe |
| 21:07.15 | r_marvin | :) |
| 21:07.30 | pekkele | dat is undertand :) |
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| 21:07.36 | slashdevil | BoarderTX: you should see the wireless cards you have. Wireless cards are not always wlan0. Mine for example is eth1 (I have an ethernet card that is eth0) |
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| 21:08.09 | slashdevil | BoarderTX: Maybe yours seems to be eth0. |
| 21:08.20 | websdale | daft:if you know the printers IP address you can use that or select "other printer" & enter the URI of the printer there |
| 21:08.34 | mtnman | boardertx: do "ifconfig -a" to list all network devices. |
| 21:08.45 | BoarderTX | slashdevil: so perhaps eth0 is my wireless card? i mean ndiswrapper -l will say driver present, and then i plug in my wifi usb and it says driver present, hardware present so i know its seeing hte danthing |
| 21:08.50 | slashdevil | Is that the only card you have? |
| 21:09.00 | BoarderTX | but it still lsays no wireless extensions,w hat isthe easiest way to get my router info in there nad hve it connect |
| 21:09.01 | slashdevil | BoarderTX. I think so. |
| 21:09.05 | BoarderTX | its a netgear wg111 usb key |
| 21:09.06 | BoarderTX | really nice actually |
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| 21:09.14 | BoarderTX | i had to disassemble netgear's windows exe file to get to the inf file |
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| 21:09.21 | BoarderTX | sooo much work to just get it to recognize the thing haha |
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| 21:09.33 | daft | websdale: K |
| 21:09.45 | mtnman | boardertx: try iwconfig to list all wireless interfaces. |
| 21:09.51 | BoarderTX | i have |
| 21:09.58 | BoarderTX | it lists l0, eth0 and sit0 all with no wireless extentions |
| 21:10.12 | BoarderTX | there is no wlan0 whichi is what i was expecting to see |
| 21:10.18 | mtnman | boardertx: is that from ifconfig or iwconfig? |
| 21:10.21 | slashdevil | BoarderTX: Then I guess it is not. What does the info for sit0 say? |
| 21:10.22 | BoarderTX | iwconfig |
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| 21:10.27 | BoarderTX | ifconfig only lists l0 |
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| 21:10.53 | BoarderTX | ifconfig yiels only l0 while iwconfig lists l0, eth0, and sit0 with no wirleess exentions |
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| 21:10.57 | mtnman | boardertx: which module do you load for your wireless interface? |
| 21:11.01 | BoarderTX | ndiswrapper does see the driver and hardware |
| 21:11.14 | cell | hmm, 'false | true' returns exit status of 0... is this correct? |
| 21:11.14 | mtnman | boardertx: ifconfig -a tells more than ifconfig alone. |
| 21:11.17 | BoarderTX | i got the driver from netgear |
| 21:11.27 | mtnman | boardertx: what is the name of the module? |
| 21:11.29 | BoarderTX | at first i got the latest driver and it blew up the computer haha, then i got the old one and it worked fine |
| 21:11.35 | BoarderTX | how can i find that out? |
| 21:11.46 | mtnman | boardertx: well, i assume that you loaded it... |
| 21:11.53 | mtnman | you can do "lsmod" as root. |
| 21:11.58 | BoarderTX | yea i'm just trying ot remmeber, sorry my mind's mushy ahha |
| 21:12.06 | BoarderTX | ohhh |
| 21:12.07 | BoarderTX | sorry |
| 21:12.15 | cell | kind of makes it impossible to catch errors in things like "flac -d | lame" |
| 21:12.17 | mtnman | boardertx: mushy brain is not my concern. |
| 21:12.18 | BoarderTX | yea the tutorial said to go into /etc/modules and put ndiswrapper in teh end |
| 21:12.36 | cell | ie, if flac fails, there is no way to tell by exist status? |
| 21:12.48 | mtnman | boardertx: ndiswrapper is for using windoze drivers, iirc. |
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| 21:12.57 | BoarderTX | yea |
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| 21:13.06 | BoarderTX | ndiswrapper and usbcore is running |
| 21:13.20 | BoarderTX | usbcore is probably my wifi key |
| 21:13.27 | doomster | heya! |
| 21:13.54 | mtnman | boardertx: usbcore is for usb, in general. not for your wireless interface. |
| 21:14.03 | BoarderTX | oh ok |
| 21:14.13 | BoarderTX | i just noticed it is using ndiswrapper |
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| 21:14.40 | hurtByHurd | hi |
| 21:14.41 | BoarderTX | so does that sound good? all proper modules running or is the tutorial skethy? |
| 21:14.48 | mtnman | boardertx: i suggest trying to locate a native linux driver for your wireless interface. try looking up your usb device in the hardware howto at tldp.org. |
| 21:15.06 | BoarderTX | will do that now, thanks |
| 21:15.14 | fcorrea_home | poli: It does not work.....I've set to text/html and the same thing happens |
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| 21:15.20 | fcorrea_home | poli: any idea?? |
| 21:15.25 | mtnman | boardertx: welcome. |
| 21:15.34 | doomster | after a recent major update (incl. xfree86 and Linux) to a laptop, tipping on the touchpad doesn't work as replacement to the left button, anybody an idea where I can configure that? |
| 21:15.38 | slashdevil | boardertx: try dmesg. Maybe some useful info there |
| 21:16.09 | slashdevil | boardertx: The last lines should show the kernel activity, like loading modules and such. |
| 21:16.34 | BoarderTX | looks like there is no reference to it under tldp |
| 21:16.40 | mtnman | slashdevil: he is using the evil ndiswrapper |
| 21:16.47 | BoarderTX | slashdevil: will do right now hold on just a sec |
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| 21:17.02 | BoarderTX | mtnman: wouldn't it not be evil if there was hardware support to begin with? |
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| 21:17.19 | mtnman | boardertx: i cannot parse your last remark. |
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| 21:18.03 | BoarderTX | mtnman: thanks for proving my point |
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| 21:18.41 | mtnman | boardertx: the reason i call it evil is because you are trying to use a windoze driver in linux. use a native one, if possible. |
| 21:18.52 | BoarderTX | mtnman: there doesn't seem to be one |
| 21:19.02 | hurtByHurd | is there an unoffical respo of gnome 2.10 or newer? |
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| 21:19.15 | azeem | hurtByHurd: it is in experimental |
| 21:19.19 | mtnman | boardertx: if that is true, then you chose your hardware unwisely |
| 21:19.32 | azeem | hurtByHurd: of cause, that means it might break and you'll be on your own fixing your system |
| 21:19.49 | hurtByHurd | azeem, that was exactly my experience |
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| 21:19.53 | azeem | mtnman: I don't think it is up to you to judge |
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| 21:20.06 | azeem | hurtByHurd: you won't get anything better I guess |
| 21:20.17 | mtnman | azeem: if he chose hardware to use with linux that is unsupported, he chose unwisely. |
| 21:20.29 | BoarderTX | mtnman: unwisely? for the whole 3 percent of market it doesn't work with, works spot on with the rest, i think thats pretty good |
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| 21:20.47 | hurtByHurd | azeem, its crazy as little debian forks have already gnome 2.10 |
| 21:20.57 | azeem | hurtByHurd: hmm? |
| 21:20.58 | mtnman | boardertx: if you chose to use it withy the small percentage with which it does not work, then yes, it was an unwise choice. |
| 21:21.10 | BoarderTX | mtnman: i didn't chose it with the intention to use it for linux, like most people it was bought becuase it works best with windows and are tryign to make the best hardware for the majority of the market work with the minority linux |
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| 21:21.19 | jetdotnet | !say debian is not some backyard shadetree distro |
| 21:21.19 | dpkg | debian is not some backyard shadetree distro |
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| 21:21.56 | BoarderTX | neither is xp |
| 21:22.12 | jetdotnet | i personally prefer w2k over xp |
| 21:22.16 | mtnman | boardertx: it is as if you chose some snowboard boots, and complain that they don't fit into telemark bindings. |
| 21:22.29 | n0dez | me too |
| 21:22.35 | n0dez | w2k runs faster than xp |
| 21:22.38 | hurtByHurd | azeem, anyway i try pkgs from beatrix or so .. |
| 21:22.41 | mtnman | boardertx: what is the name of the model of usb key? |
| 21:22.48 | jetdotnet | xp tries to be too linuxy |
| 21:22.49 | BoarderTX | mtnman: netgear wg111 |
| 21:22.50 | azeem | hurtByHurd: ok, whatever that is |
| 21:22.54 | ixi | Looks like tasksel subsystem is buggy... README says that "task-fields" method (which is default one in debian-tasks.desc of 2.15 and 2.23 version of tasksel) exploits "Task fields in the control data of availabale packages, that list the name of the task." At that I found the only package in more then 15000 ones with this field set. This explains why 'tasksel install desktop' does nothing since it can't find any packages when trying to get complete list of them. |
| 21:23.18 | hurtByHurd | azeem, http://www.watsky.net/ |
| 21:23.35 | ixi | websdale: <- |
| 21:23.40 | BoarderTX | mtnman: and assumign you'r referring to boots as the key, the bindings as the os, and the skis as the hardware, than yea it would be ridiculous for me to think that assuming i bought the telemarks before the boots, in this case, i had the boots working fine with my xp bindings and perhaps i made a poor choice in getting the telemarks (ie should change distros) haha |
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| 21:24.02 | azeem | BoarderTX: why do you still argue about that? |
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| 21:24.44 | BoarderTX | azeem: i'm not sure...i'm a snowboarder haha |
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| 21:24.53 | BoarderTX | azeem: so whats up, any ideas? |
| 21:25.21 | mtnman | boardertx: well, i teach alpine, snowboard, and tele, but don't run windoze :) |
| 21:25.29 | BoarderTX | i did a modprobe ndiswrapper again and under /var/log/messages there is an error of ndiswrapper -22 |
| 21:25.35 | websdale | ixi:yes,I can see why its not popular |
| 21:25.41 | BoarderTX | mtnman: where? |
| 21:25.56 | azeem | BoarderTX: I didn't get the discussion. If your WLAN nic is only supported by NDISwrapper, than d'oh, use it, learn the lesson, and by Linux-compliant hardware next time :) |
| 21:25.59 | azeem | hurtByHurd: ugh |
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| 21:26.48 | Ja1 | Today on my Woody server root user cannot delete any file in /usr/sbin and samba executables in /usr/bin. Is it a known rootkit ? (chkrootkit never finishes examining inetd) |
| 21:26.53 | websdale | ixi:I found it clumsy,you're better off with apt-get gnome install or similar |
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| 21:27.09 | furrywolf | that reminds me, I need to see how well I can get iron-on toner transfers to work on my new color laser printer... looking at the protocol, I actually can make it put a dot of all four colors over each other, so I could deposit VERY thick toner. |
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| 21:27.24 | xav_ | hi all |
| 21:27.25 | xav_ | does anyone know how to compile kernel modules (lirc mod) without actually compiling a kernel (ie using standard 2.6.10 ubuntu kernel and sources) |
| 21:27.37 | xav_ | i mean debian :) |
| 21:27.39 | furrywolf | xav: this isn't #ubuntu |
| 21:27.39 | BoarderTX | azeem: haha hilarious i'll remember that, in my case i've had the key forever |
| 21:27.44 | ixi | websdale: yes, now its clear. But I use /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc 'desktop' section to get example list of packages :) |
| 21:27.45 | karsten | !tell xav_ about ubuntu |
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| 21:27.54 | adaker | hi |
| 21:27.59 | adaker | i has and lvm pv |
| 21:28.11 | adaker | i lost all info about partition table |
| 21:28.12 | furrywolf | adaker: english? |
| 21:28.19 | xav_ | furrywolf: anyway the problem stays the same |
| 21:28.24 | mtnman | boardertx: see http://telefunk.net ... pic from may 17 (backcountry) |
| 21:28.30 | websdale | ixi:I see:) |
| 21:28.33 | adaker | is possible to recover one lv from lvm? |
| 21:28.34 | karsten | !es |
| 21:28.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:28.52 | karsten | adaker: gpart or #debian-es may halep you. |
| 21:28.56 | pekkele | how i can configure my soundcard |
| 21:29.01 | BoarderTX | ah ha! i got it to list under iwconfig...SLASHDEVIl is the mannn |
| 21:29.02 | karsten | !tell pekkele about sound |
| 21:29.18 | mtnman | boardertx: what was the trick? |
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| 21:30.12 | quitte | is there a way to change the CVS dir of a checkouted tree to make anoncvs update possible somehow when a user has been used before? |
| 21:30.31 | colter | if I have the hotplug-package installed, does this make installing the usbmount-package redundant? |
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| 21:30.55 | xav_ | karsten: i know ubuntu is not debian but still i would want to know how to compile modules without having to compile custom kernel |
| 21:30.57 | BoarderTX | mtnman: well it was slashdevil who found it, it seems it was an irq issue, so i did a modprobe remove of ehci_hcd and then did modprobe ndiswrapper again and it successfully negotiated |
| 21:31.10 | hurtByHurd | cu ppls |
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| 21:31.17 | karsten | xav_: If this is an ubuntu question, ask in #ubuntu. |
| 21:31.56 | xav_ | kastren: okay just assumed it is a debian question |
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| 21:31.59 | adaker | karsten, gpart helps |
| 21:32.10 | adaker | but only for the partitiion table |
| 21:32.20 | adaker | i need now to recover the lvm stuf |
| 21:32.34 | karsten | adaker: Yes. You're also using LVM? I don't have much experience with it. |
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| 21:33.03 | mtnman | xav_: the process involves getting the kernel-headers for your kernel. |
| 21:33.04 | karsten | adaker: My SOP is to copy my partition table to a file and post that on another server / website, or similar. |
| 21:34.06 | karsten | xav_: kernel headers, build deps, the right version of gcc, and if the module is itself available through debian, cd to /usr/src/modules/<module>/; debian/rules <options>. You'll get a .deb. |
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| 21:34.13 | xav_ | mtnman: the pb is that when i use make-kpkg modules_install the modules are installed in /lib/modules/2.6.10 not in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686-smp/ which the kernel i use |
| 21:34.27 | karsten | xav_: KVERS=<version> |
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| 21:34.46 | xav_ | karsten: i tried this but make-kpkg complained |
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| 21:35.16 | mtnman | xav_: since you are on a ubuntu system, things may be a little different. |
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| 21:35.27 | karsten | xav_: I've only done this a couple times, but IIRC make-kpkg _wasn't_ involved. YMMV. |
| 21:35.45 | xav_ | mtnman: i was on debian since yesterday it doesn't seem so different :) |
| 21:36.20 | mtnman | xav_: if you say so. however keep in mind that ubuntu != debian |
| 21:36.22 | xav_ | karsten: did u just "make" the modules directly ? |
| 21:36.49 | xav_ | mtnman: i know but for kernel compiling i don't think they diverge much |
| 21:37.02 | mtnman | xav_: what you think may not be a fact. |
| 21:37.25 | azeem | xav_: at least the official kernels get produced in a slightly different way, AFAIK |
| 21:37.38 | karsten | xav_: Nope. |
| 21:37.47 | tarzeau | !UBUNTU |
| 21:37.47 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. |
| 21:37.47 | karsten | xav_: Actually, this was an ubuntu system, FWIW.... |
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| 21:38.16 | karsten | tarzeau: No shit? |
| 21:38.17 | xav_ | karsten: i used the same on debian |
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| 21:38.30 | jetdotnet | ubuntu is your god |
| 21:38.40 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:38.50 | xav_ | :) |
| 21:38.51 | deadcat | !start a war |
| 21:38.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, start a war is GWB says you have WMD!!!! Mwhahaha |
| 21:38.54 | BleSS | BusID is got from :: PCI:bus:device:function ::, so '/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:02:00.0/' => PCI:2:0:0 Is this correct? |
| 21:38.57 | jetdotnet | <S>treunet-------> |
| 21:39.00 | jetdotnet | ugh |
| 21:39.04 | streuner | jetscreamer: hi |
| 21:39.05 | jetdotnet | wassup streuner |
| 21:39.11 | jetdotnet | s/t/r/ |
| 21:39.15 | Karnaugh | Ubuntu is a pile of crap |
| 21:39.15 | streuner | bob2 banned me |
| 21:39.16 | jetdotnet | uh... |
| 21:39.22 | jetdotnet | s/et/er/ |
| 21:39.26 | tarzeau | streuner: we've been grilling |
| 21:39.33 | jetdotnet | lol wtf for |
| 21:39.40 | tarzeau | streuner: http://phuturetech.info/pictures/ieatn00bs.jpg |
| 21:39.42 | karsten | Ubuntus of mass destruction... |
| 21:39.43 | tarzeau | !UBD |
| 21:39.44 | xav_ | Karnaugh a working pile of crap yeah :) |
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| 21:39.49 | streuner | jetdotnet: i guess he was in bad mood ;-) |
| 21:39.59 | Karnaugh | xav_: "working" isnt what i'd call it, no |
| 21:40.00 | jetdotnet | omg chatzilla dinged at me |
| 21:40.36 | xav_ | Karnaugh why ? |
| 21:40.57 | karsten | xav_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5164.html |
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| 21:41.13 | streuner | tarzeau: hehe |
| 21:41.16 | karsten | jetdotnet: Clean your windows more often. You won't get stuck on 'em. |
| 21:41.21 | EfaistOs | does someone know a firefox plugin for asf video ? |
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| 21:41.31 | tarzeau | EfaistOs: hahahaha |
| 21:41.36 | tarzeau | EfaistOs: well there is the mplayer plugin |
| 21:41.37 | karsten | mtnman: Speaking of which, I turned the compost heap just now.... |
| 21:41.43 | tarzeau | EfaistOs: i've even made a package, let me find that for ya |
| 21:41.44 | xav_ | okay i'm not here to start a war... i was a debian user, i switched... i'm just seeking for help with compiling modules |
| 21:41.46 | streuner | tarzeau: http://www.ircd.de/i/ircop.jpg |
| 21:41.55 | azeem | xav_: sure, no problem |
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| 21:42.05 | mtnman | tarzeau: however the mplayer plugin seems to crash a lot. |
| 21:42.15 | karsten | xav_: Link above. Meanwhile, enjoy #ubuntu. |
| 21:42.19 | xav_ | karsten: i have no bellkin usb something so i don't care basically |
| 21:42.28 | tarzeau | mtnman: really? worked fine on my tests, but then i didn't need it ever .. What webpage has videos in it??? |
| 21:42.28 | mtnman | karsten: as the manure turns... |
| 21:42.43 | xav_ | karsten: for my needs it's working okay |
| 21:42.51 | tarzeau | streuner: ouf |
| 21:42.54 | karsten | mtnman: No manure. Mostly nannapeels and espresso grounds. |
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| 21:43.11 | azeem | xav_: some Debian people are just afraid and unsure about ubuntu. Don't take it personally. |
| 21:43.16 | karsten | mtnman: ...and a metric buttload of pine needles. Which are rather amazingly, actually composting. |
| 21:43.18 | streuner | tarzeau: its pretty hot in .de, so it wasn |
| 21:43.22 | mtnman | tarzeau: i'd had trouble with the mplayer plugin crashing, and recently read that it is a fairly widespread phenomenon. |
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| 21:43.30 | streuner | tarzeau: 't a bad idea... |
| 21:43.31 | tarzeau | streuner: it was hot in .ch too, for the last 3 or 4 days |
| 21:43.37 | pitillo | hi people |
| 21:43.41 | tarzeau | mtnman: okay |
| 21:43.43 | xav_ | azeem: i am still concerned by the possible damage ubuntu could caused to debian |
| 21:43.48 | jethro | xav_: s/afraid and unsure about ubuntu/bored with ubuntu users asking in #debian/ |
| 21:43.51 | azeem | xav_: we all are |
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| 21:43.57 | streuner | tarzeau: argh, tomorrow it will rainin... |
| 21:43.57 | xav_ | azeem: but i wanted a bleeding edge desktop :) |
| 21:43.58 | mtnman | karsten: nice job. |
| 21:44.04 | tarzeau | streuner: who cares. it's working day |
| 21:44.17 | tarzeau | streuner: as long as it gets hot again on the next firday after 4 p.m ;) |
| 21:44.34 | azeem | xav_: well, anyway. Kernel building seems to be one of the differences, so in that case you might indeed find more appropriate advice in #ubuntu |
| 21:44.39 | streuner | tarzeau: haha |
| 21:44.47 | xav_ | jethro: i just asked my question first there and now in there in don't see the pb here :) |
| 21:44.56 | jetdotnet | OMFG! ===lastlog Unknown command |
| 21:45.09 | mtnman | xav_: wtf is pb? peanut butter? |
| 21:45.11 | streuner | !ubuntusmite xav_ |
| 21:45.21 | jetdotnet | powerbroom |
| 21:45.28 | tarzeau | !badger |
| 21:45.42 | jetdotnet | power bean |
| 21:45.49 | jetdotnet | power brush |
| 21:45.52 | xav_ | okie dokie |
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| 21:45.57 | xav_ | me leaving |
| 21:46.02 | jetdotnet | y |
| 21:46.03 | xav_ | thx for your help |
| 21:46.05 | jethro | xav_: well just keep in mind that most of #debian regulars will not help an ubuntu user just because they don't use ubuntu, so giving debian answers to ubuntu problems will in most cases not fix anything |
| 21:46.07 | pekkele | how to install in mozilla-firefox locales |
| 21:46.24 | jetdotnet | apt-cache search mozilla-firefox |
| 21:46.29 | jetdotnet | pick, install |
| 21:46.36 | xav_ | okay i thought being a former debian user could be of anyhelp but apparentlly no ^^^ |
| 21:46.55 | tomski | Hi, can anyone give a hint where to find info on how to use debs in osx? |
| 21:46.55 | mtnman | apt-cache search mozilla-firefox-locales |
| 21:46.58 | streuner | xav_: just become a debian user now |
| 21:47.08 | xav_ | good for u |
| 21:47.08 | azeem | streuner: dude, he used Debian until yesterday |
| 21:47.14 | tarzeau | tomski: they don't exist |
| 21:47.20 | streuner | azeem: well... |
| 21:47.21 | tarzeau | tomski: maybe ar x the.deb? |
| 21:47.30 | jetdotnet | well we had a lotta luck on venus |
| 21:47.31 | jethro | xav_: and other than not knowing the appropriate answers, asking support for other distros is also be considered off topic |
| 21:47.56 | mtnman | jethro: s/considered// |
| 21:48.06 | jethro | s/be// rather |
| 21:48.11 | xav_ | i am scared ^^^ |
| 21:48.21 | tomski | tarzeaus, I thought to have heared that I can run some linux programms on osx, and that osx has something like apt. |
| 21:48.21 | tarzeau | !scare xav_ |
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| 21:48.30 | tarzeau | tomski: there's fink |
| 21:48.36 | azeem | tarzeau: man, what's wrong with you? |
| 21:48.37 | tarzeau | tomski: that's off-topic here |
| 21:48.37 | jethro | xav_: don't be scared, but knowing this, you understand why everyone tells you to /j #ubuntu and stop asking in here |
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| 21:49.07 | tarzeau | azeem: like what? utter boredom |
| 21:49.32 | xav_ | jethro: can u understand i asked in ubuntu and no body knew the answer so i thought someone would because to me seems pretty clear that this is also a debian compiling problem |
| 21:49.33 | tomski | tarzeaus, I do not think so. But then again I do not know where to ask else |
| 21:49.43 | streuner | xav_: you seem still not to unterstand, ubuntu is another distro, look at their bugs... |
| 21:49.57 | tarzeau | tomski: there's a few mac channels here, tried #fink , #mac #macdev and the like? |
| 21:50.03 | xav_ | pfff |
| 21:50.06 | jethro | xav_: yes I can understand that nobody answering in #ubuntu is frustrating, but |
| 21:50.09 | jethro | !they don't know |
| 21:50.09 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 21:50.12 | simonrvn | #macosx |
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| 21:50.25 | jetdotnet | all lies |
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| 21:50.33 | streuner | heh |
| 21:50.39 | jetdotnet | we really don't tell you because you don't bathe |
| 21:50.45 | azeem | jethro: everybody else seems to think we are the morons, though |
| 21:50.48 | tarzeau | azeem: what pissed you so off? |
| 21:50.50 | jethro | xav_: to put it in a few words, to get support in #debian, install debian |
| 21:50.57 | jethro | azeem: I don't really care |
| 21:51.02 | streuner | azeem: bs |
| 21:51.12 | xav_ | okay just let's pretend i have a debian... so i have a problem you know and nobody here seems to know the answer neither |
| 21:51.20 | azeem | tarzeau: everytime I go here, people just jump on people for no apparent reason and do !foo and !bar |
| 21:51.30 | jetdotnet | xav_: pretending is kinda silly at this point |
| 21:51.35 | simonrvn | mtnman: excellent point ;) |
| 21:51.36 | jethro | xav_: no we won't, because as I told you, debian answers to you non debian problems are not gonna help in most cases |
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| 21:51.45 | Tuttle_ | For three hours I'm trying to shape my traffic using tc, reading lartc.org is not helpful. I got this situation: I just wish to shape traffic outgoing via eth0 that is generated by the virtual interface vmnet8 (VMWare NAT). What is the easiest configuration? The tc does not work at all and it is a bit discouraging. One working example, please... |
| 21:51.49 | simonrvn | people, just use /ignore ;) |
| 21:51.55 | jethro | too bad I never recall the factoid about debian answers and non debian problems |
| 21:51.56 | mtnman | xav_: the thing is, when you try the debian solution and it does not work on ubuntu, you are surprised. |
| 21:52.07 | nforbes | "How do I install a package?" "dpkg or just use apt" "Well I'm using Redhat" |
| 21:52.22 | jethro | nforbes: what's wrong with you? |
| 21:52.22 | simonrvn | Tuttle_: try wondershaper. it'll give you an idea how to set it up |
| 21:52.37 | BleSS | anybody could run :: lspci | grep -i vga ; grep '0x03' /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/class :: and show me in private message? thx |
| 21:52.46 | tarzeau | azeem: it's only like that on weekends |
| 21:52.47 | nforbes | jethro, Well I've been told I'm schizophrenic and bipolar |
| 21:52.51 | jethro | hah |
| 21:52.52 | nforbes | Just kidding. :D |
| 21:52.59 | karsten | Anyone know curves qemu tosses trying to use DOS/Windows under it? |
| 21:52.59 | tarzeau | azeem: or when people are getting very annoying during the week |
| 21:53.06 | nforbes | I moved away from Redhat back in 2001 when glibc upgrades corrupted rpm |
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| 21:53.09 | streuner | mtnman: imagine its a bug in the app., and you are wasting all the time to help her/him, don't know s(he) using ubuntu... |
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| 21:53.26 | tarzeau | nforbes: and i got sick after the rpm 3 -> 4 move definitely |
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| 21:53.38 | furrywolf | karsten: went ahead and got that lobotomy, eh? |
| 21:53.49 | mtnman | streuner: you are backing up my point. |
| 21:53.57 | streuner | mtnman: yeah |
| 21:53.57 | Tuttle_ | simonrvn: is there any lower limit below which shaping does not work? |
| 21:54.00 | karsten | furrywolf: It's a virtual lobotomy. |
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| 21:54.16 | nforbes | Agh! Sarge was moved back! |
| 21:54.24 | nforbes | I was looking forward to a stable tree tommorow |
| 21:54.34 | nvz | does anyone know of a decent live distro for PPC? I need something live for a iBook G4 |
| 21:54.55 | mentorofHolgate | nforbes: Surely you can't have believed it... |
| 21:54.56 | simonrvn | Tuttle_: no. just needs to be set properly |
| 21:55.04 | karsten | furrywolf: I've got NT WS 4.0 lying around here somewhere, would be interesting to set it up as well. |
| 21:55.17 | tarzeau | nvz: i only know of gentoo and ubuntu, but i wouldn't call them decent really |
| 21:55.19 | Tuttle_ | simonrvn: So is it possible to shape to 5-10 KBytes/s ? |
| 21:55.25 | nforbes | mentorofHolgate, Duke Nukem Forever is still coming out too :( |
| 21:55.25 | jethro | hah |
| 21:55.31 | karsten | furrywolf: Note that qemu is *vastly* faster than bochs ever was. |
| 21:55.32 | nvz | tarzeau: heh, seriously |
| 21:55.37 | tarzeau | karsten: if you can get your hands on OPENSTEP , really try it |
| 21:55.52 | karsten | tarzeau: Hrm. As in NeXT? |
| 21:55.56 | tarzeau | karsten: exactly |
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| 21:56.11 | tarzeau | karsten: as in the improved NeXTSTEP |
| 21:56.12 | karsten | tarzeau: Well, I've got WMaker... |
| 21:56.16 | tarzeau | karsten: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 21:56.22 | tarzeau | karsten: please, you are hilarious |
| 21:56.27 | karsten | tarzeau: What's the kernel? |
| 21:56.29 | simonrvn | Tuttle_: potentially |
| 21:56.30 | nforbes | I run twm |
| 21:56.30 | tarzeau | karsten: window maker doesn't even FEEL like openstep |
| 21:56.35 | tarzeau | karsten: the scrollbars are broken |
| 21:56.39 | tarzeau | karsten: Mach |
| 21:56.50 | tarzeau | karsten: but it was also ported onto Solaris and Windows NT |
| 21:57.05 | tarzeau | karsten: if you develop/compile stuff on it (YellowBox) it'll also work on Windows 2k/XP |
| 21:57.17 | azeem | uhm, www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ isn't very informative |
| 21:57.20 | nvz | alright, well I'll give the ubuntu a go |
| 21:57.35 | karsten | tarzeau: Cool. |
| 21:57.39 | tarzeau | azeem: no, but it's got nice screenshots, and there's a link to the gnustep live cd, which has alot of information linked to the topic |
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| 21:57.49 | karsten | tarzeau: Well, 2/3 of the way through a DOS install, I'm moderately impressed.... |
| 21:58.02 | tarzeau | karsten: it's just not very easy to find i386 hardware that's supported (and you need floppies) |
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| 21:58.03 | azeem | I don't see the link |
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| 21:58.09 | azeem | but yeah, I see them screenshots |
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| 21:58.15 | tarzeau | azeem: livecd.gnustep.org |
| 21:58.16 | karsten | tarzeau: ?? |
| 21:58.21 | nforbes | I have ~40 Windows 95 install floppies |
| 21:58.24 | karsten | tarzeau: have you done qemu yourself? |
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| 21:58.27 | karsten | nforbes: Heh. |
| 21:58.27 | nforbes | ...somewhere |
| 21:58.38 | azeem | tarzeau: I /know/ about the livecd, I said I don't see a link to it on the page you mentioned above |
| 21:58.42 | karsten | nforbes: My solution for floppies is just to image them to disk. |
| 21:59.05 | nforbes | I still run computers that can only boot from floppies or the MBR |
| 21:59.06 | azeem | whatever, I found it |
| 21:59.10 | nforbes | :| |
| 21:59.14 | tarzeau | azeem: read.html ? |
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| 21:59.25 | azeem | tarzeau: yeah |
| 21:59.26 | nforbes | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.28 | nforbes | Reliable ones too |
| 21:59.31 | nforbes | :D |
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| 21:59.46 | tarzeau | karsten: i've used qemu yes. but not OPENSTEP in it |
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| 22:00.01 | tarzeau | karsten: if you can get a SPARC (non-ultra), it should run flawless there |
| 22:00.06 | azeem | tarzeau: so OPENSTEP uses Mach and nothing else? |
| 22:00.26 | tarzeau | azeem: and alot of GNU tools (including gcc 2.x.x) |
| 22:00.26 | nforbes | tarzeau, Aw. UltraSPARCs are cool. |
| 22:00.31 | TTimo | my network gateway is a mistery. it has been running 2.4 kernels just fine for years, but it refuses to boot any 2.6 kernel whatsoever. official images, my own compiles .. anything .. it just stalls after grub's 'boot' line |
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| 22:01.38 | galois | can anyo0ne tell me the x driver for an "intel extreme graphics" card? |
| 22:01.41 | galois | i810? |
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| 22:01.55 | tarzeau | azeem: well it also runs on Solaris and Windows (without Mach) |
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| 22:02.12 | streuner | galois: i810 is an audio chip, AFAIK |
| 22:02.33 | streuner | galois: go to xfree86.org and find out if its supported or not |
| 22:02.33 | mcshgg | can anyone help me with an ati problem? |
| 22:02.41 | streuner | !i810 |
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| 22:02.46 | tarzeau | mcshgg: if we could read mind. just ask? |
| 22:02.52 | streuner | !listvals i810 |
| 22:02.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'i810' by value (4): snd- ;; nvsound ;; glx ;; ac97. |
| 22:03.09 | furrywolf | god dammit. other box crashed again. |
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| 22:03.37 | galois | streuner: does it play nice with lynx? |
| 22:03.47 | streuner | galois: heh |
| 22:04.00 | furrywolf | for testing, I underclocked it (120mhz instead of 133mhz bus, 100mhz instead of 133mhz ram (I think))... doesn't seem to have made any change in crash rates. so I don't think it's a hardware problem... |
| 22:04.01 | mcshgg | ok, gdm wont start because it cannot reconize my ati card, a radeon 9200 se. suggestions? im no good at command line stuff |
| 22:04.13 | galois | streuner: plus it shows up on the list with dpkg-recofigure xfree (or whatever teh command is |
| 22:04.14 | streuner | galois: for lynx you dont need X at all... |
| 22:04.25 | tarzeau | mcshgg: which driver do you use? can you try "vesa" one? |
| 22:04.26 | streuner | galois: ok just try it |
| 22:04.30 | Lee__ | mcshgg: you might have to become good at command line stuff. or at least following instructions. |
| 22:04.31 | tarzeau | mcshgg: did it ever work? |
| 22:04.34 | quiron-a | Do you know any software to symplifie polynoms?????????? |
| 22:04.42 | mcshgg | it worked under fedora core 3 |
| 22:04.45 | Lee__ | !tell mcshgg about ati |
| 22:04.46 | galois | streuner: my point is that I don't have x, so can only use lynx to browse |
| 22:05.01 | tarzeau | galois: you could also use links2 to browse graphically |
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| 22:05.09 | tarzeau | galois: with svgalib or fb |
| 22:05.10 | streuner | galois: did you try VESA yet? |
| 22:05.15 | valdyn | quiron-a: if you mean what i think you mean, then that is beyond what computers can do |
| 22:05.57 | mcshgg | tarzeau: in theory, its using some version of xfree86, and thats all i know |
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| 22:06.04 | furrywolf | quiron: no, debian will not do your math homework. (and nor will #debian, so don't ask. :) |
| 22:06.05 | ssb | quiron-a, apt-get install maxima |
| 22:06.21 | valdyn | !info maxima |
| 22:06.26 | dpkg | maxima: (A fairly complete computer algebra system-- base system), section math, is optional. Version: 5.9.1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 8085 kB, Installed size: 27508 kB |
| 22:06.40 | valdyn | that doesnt look like an AI |
| 22:06.48 | quiron-a | valdyn: I know, but I just wanna divide a big polynom by a simple x-a |
| 22:06.59 | streuner | unbelievable how many apps are in debian |
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| 22:07.13 | nforbes | Agh |
| 22:07.31 | nforbes | I will have my precious Xorg |
| 22:07.32 | valdyn | quiron-a: alright, thats simple, for a computer |
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| 22:07.38 | streuner | nforbes: just wait |
| 22:07.41 | xelon | hi, i want to make a program which runs when i log in the system. How can do this? Is there any directory like init.d?? |
| 22:07.45 | mcshgg | ok, anyone know exactly how i configure whatever ati driver in debian from the command line? |
| 22:07.46 | streuner | nforbes: till sarge is stable... |
| 22:07.50 | ishtvan222 | join #flood |
| 22:07.52 | tarzeau | xelon: /etc/init.d |
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| 22:07.58 | nforbes | streuner, Well, I'm trying to get some experience building my own packages too |
| 22:08.00 | tarzeau | xelon: what program is that? |
| 22:08.01 | furrywolf | I wish I could figure out why this box keeps crashing... it's getting annoying! |
| 22:08.08 | BleSS | could u run :: lspci |grep -i vga; grep '0x03' /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/class; grep BusID /etc/X11/*.conf :: and show me in private message? thx |
| 22:08.10 | jetdotnet | no there is no /etc/init.d |
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| 22:08.13 | tarzeau | xelon: you could run int from autoexec.bat using screen -dmS name program |
| 22:08.14 | azeem | nforbes: xorg is not the easiest thing to get experience on |
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| 22:08.21 | nforbes | azeem, I know :D |
| 22:08.22 | Lee__ | mcshgg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:08.27 | tarzeau | jethro: yes there is |
| 22:08.31 | tarzeau | s/jethro/jetdotnet/ |
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| 22:08.48 | furrywolf | I'm pretty convinced now it's not a piece of marginal hardware, as neither swapping any cards nor underclocking the cpu and ram makes any difference in crash rates. |
| 22:08.49 | valdyn | xelon: that depends on how you define "logging in", technically there is various ways to log in. |
| 22:09.08 | quiron-a | are there any manual for maxima??? |
| 22:09.09 | karsten | tarzeau: Tom's Root Boot boots straight up. |
| 22:09.19 | valdyn | xelon: so, how are you logging in? |
| 22:09.19 | quiron-a | where? |
| 22:09.22 | galois | streuner: nope, just started fiddling |
| 22:09.23 | xelon | tarzeau, I put these into a file apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade and I can run by ./filename. |
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| 22:09.27 | tarzeau | karsten: this is #tom's-root-boot here? |
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| 22:09.40 | xelon | tarzeau, but i want to run it when i log in to system |
| 22:09.46 | karsten | tarzeau: No, I'm testing stuff under qemu though. |
| 22:09.53 | tarzeau | xelon: ah not before you login? |
| 22:09.56 | ishtvan222 | can anybody help me with my cd burner in kernel 2.6.11? |
| 22:10.02 | ozzloy | is there a quick way to tell what's in a swap file from a gvim session? i have 4 swp files from being disconnected |
| 22:10.05 | crashbg | does anyone know how to make .sis file with p3nfs? |
| 22:10.08 | azeem | ishtvan222: you need to say what the problem is |
| 22:10.11 | tarzeau | karsten: i didn't get it to work, it needs two floppeis (qemu , emulated host being an i386) |
| 22:10.16 | valdyn | ishtvan222: if you can ask a specific question. |
| 22:10.21 | tarzeau | karsten: mabye emulating sparc would be easier... |
| 22:10.26 | xelon | tarzeau, if i put it in init.d, startup time is going to be longer |
| 22:10.27 | bbrazil | ]]]]]]]]]]]] |
| 22:10.32 | furrywolf | hmm, they're up to .12-rc5, guess I'll try that next. |
| 22:10.35 | karsten | tarzeau: You can specify a file as floppy. I'm booting from the TRB image. |
| 22:10.40 | tarzeau | xelon: you are funny. |
| 22:10.52 | tarzeau | xelon: when you login and your app gets started, it's teh same at the end |
| 22:11.18 | tarzeau | karsten: i know, but you'll need to swap the floppy? and i tried to overwrite the existing one to emulate the disk exchange, that didn't do it |
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| 22:11.26 | tarzeau | karsten: i was told another trick, but haven't checked it. |
| 22:11.28 | ishtvan222 | cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA does not return the desired result |
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| 22:11.44 | streuner | ishtvan222: of course not |
| 22:11.48 | xelon | valdyn, that's true. I'm a little bit sleepy. well how can i make it run in hide? |
| 22:11.51 | karsten | tarzeau: No. qemu -fda tomsrtbt.raw -boot a |
| 22:11.52 | streuner | ishtvan222: -scanbus is for SCSI |
| 22:11.59 | tarzeau | karsten: since i've got real hardware, with the real software -- i don't have a need for it |
| 22:12.03 | karsten | tarzeau: ...where 'tomsrtbt.raw' == the TRB image file. |
| 22:12.04 | xelon | tarzeau, that's true. I'm a little bit sleepy. well how can i make it run in hide? (sorry) :D |
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| 22:12.08 | tarzeau | karsten: weren't we talking about trying OPENSTEP? |
| 22:12.16 | valdyn | xelon: "in hide" ? |
| 22:12.19 | karsten | tarzeau: Welcome to your own conversation ;-) |
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| 22:12.28 | karsten | tarzeau: I'm booting OSs I've actually got handy. |
| 22:12.33 | tarzeau | xelon: 00:08 < tarzeau> xelon: you could run int from autoexec.bat using screen -dmS name program |
| 22:12.33 | ishtvan222 | hmm, everything i read said you use it for ATAPI too |
| 22:12.40 | xelon | valdyn, like apache or sshd |
| 22:12.49 | tarzeau | karsten: sorry that was someone else then |
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| 22:13.13 | valdyn | xelon: both are started via initscripts. read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 22:13.27 | xelon | valdyn, thanx |
| 22:13.30 | karsten | tarzeau: We'd mentioned OPENSTEP. I don't happen to have it handy, and likely won't in geological time given dialup connection. |
| 22:13.34 | xelon | tarzeau, thanx you too |
| 22:13.53 | tarzeau | karsten: where do you live? if you were in switzerland, i'd be glad to hand you mine |
| 22:14.12 | azeem | is OPENSTEP Free Software? |
| 22:14.13 | tarzeau | valdyn: i guess he wants to be able to interact with the program after login (but it's just a guess) |
| 22:14.17 | tarzeau | azeem: no it's not |
| 22:14.28 | azeem | ok, thought so |
| 22:14.38 | tarzeau | azeem: if it was, we wouldn't need GNUstep |
| 22:14.44 | valdyn | tarzeau: yea i miss the part where apache starting has anything to do with logging in |
| 22:14.46 | chupacabra | will there be an etch d-i soon? |
| 22:14.58 | ishtvan222 | should i use "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc blank=fast" to blank a cd? |
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| 22:15.11 | tarzeau | azeem: pity it had so much software that just died, on the day it was discontinued (bought by Apple, major software applications bought by SUN) |
| 22:15.21 | streuner | chupacabra: search on ML (debian-boot) |
| 22:15.29 | tarzeau | valdyn: when did he say he wants to start apache? |
| 22:15.30 | azeem | tarzeau: well, that's the feat of proprietary software |
| 22:15.42 | azeem | as long as the framework can get reimplemented.. |
| 22:15.45 | tarzeau | chupacabra: i guess it'll be the same d-i as in sarge |
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| 22:15.54 | valdyn | tarzeau: he wants his thing to be started "like apache" , "in hide" |
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| 22:16.32 | tarzeau | azeem: it happened. the problem that's one thing. the other is writing applications like spread sheets, drawing programs and dtp software isn't that easy/small task |
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| 22:16.50 | tarzeau | azeem: at least not the ones, that existed after years long development for NS/OS |
| 22:17.07 | tarzeau | valdyn: doesn't make sense to me, but so be it |
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| 22:17.46 | tarzeau | azeem: can i point you to have a look at these? http://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Porting_NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP_Applications |
| 22:18.02 | azeem | tarzeau: thanks, I am happily running GNOME already |
| 22:18.26 | ishtvan222 | "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc blank=fast" hangs at "Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported." Any ideas? |
| 22:18.29 | furrywolf | ARGH! |
| 22:18.35 | furrywolf | crashed AGAIN! |
| 22:18.41 | azeem | ishtvan222: that is just a warning |
| 22:18.46 | azeem | it should hang there I believe |
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| 22:18.53 | azeem | and anyway, that warning is bogus |
| 22:19.07 | furrywolf | that's a new record for minimal time to crash |
| 22:19.10 | ishtvan222 | azeem: but it stops after that |
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| 22:19.32 | ishtvan222 | azeem: and it does not blank the cdrw |
| 22:19.42 | azeem | ishtvan222: well, it could be something else. Maybe have a look in the bug tracking system or run cdrecord with strace |
| 22:19.56 | nsanity | is there a preferred way to set up raid?? mdadm? |
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| 22:21.00 | ishtvan222 | azeem: when i boot my comp it says "FATAL ide-detect not found" or something like that, could this be affecting my cdrecord? |
| 22:21.20 | Lee__ | nsanity: d-i has a graphical menu if you're installing a new system |
| 22:21.29 | azeem | sounds plausible, perhaps you are lacking a kernel module |
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| 22:21.42 | Varanger | hi |
| 22:21.43 | deadcat | Lee__: graphical? |
| 22:21.50 | Lee__ | ncurses graphical |
| 22:21.51 | Varanger | how can I see the contents of deb file? |
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| 22:22.03 | ishtvan222 | azeem: to be specific it says "FATAL: Module ide_detect not found" |
| 22:22.03 | Lee__ | like, menus n'shit |
| 22:22.12 | azeem | Varanger: dpkg --contents $deb.deb |
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| 22:22.12 | deadcat | Varanger: dpkg -X pkg /tmp/pkg.d |
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| 22:22.29 | BoarderTX | so i got my wifi card working but i have to issue some commands every time i login to get it to work, is there a way to automate that? |
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| 22:22.34 | azeem | ishtvan222: what kind of kernel are you running? |
| 22:22.39 | ishtvan222 | 2.6.11 |
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| 22:22.43 | BoarderTX | i have to do like modprobe -remove ehci_hcd and the modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 22:22.50 | BoarderTX | and then iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys blah blah |
| 22:22.56 | azeem | BoarderTX: you can add that to /etc/modprobe.d or something I think |
| 22:22.59 | BoarderTX | i want to make all that automatic |
| 22:23.02 | deadcat | azeem: nice --contents (= |
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| 22:23.07 | BoarderTX | yea i know there's a /etc/modprobe file |
| 22:23.14 | azeem | the latter can be added to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:23.15 | BoarderTX | but forwhatever reason ehci_hcd isn't there or i'd remove it |
| 22:23.37 | liable | BoarderTX: man interfaces |
| 22:23.51 | BoarderTX | liable: what am i looking for:?> |
| 22:24.23 | liable | BoarderTX: read it, then /usr/share/doc/ifup-down/examples |
| 22:24.28 | furrywolf | any advice on how to troubleshoot these crashes? |
| 22:24.33 | BoarderTX | oh ok, thanks liable |
| 22:25.04 | azeem | liable: uhm, both don't seem to talk about wlan? |
| 22:25.33 | liable | BoarderTX: you might have to blacklist ehci, |
| 22:25.43 | BoarderTX | what does blacklist'n it do? |
| 22:25.45 | mtnman | boardertx: /etc/modules |
| 22:25.58 | liable | azeem: erm, yes, ffs I am corrected :) |
| 22:26.01 | BoarderTX | in the modules, there are a few things being loaded but none of them are ehci, where else could it be laoding from? |
| 22:26.23 | liable | BoarderTX: hotplug/discover |
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| 22:26.41 | mtnman | boardertx: modules normally will load the modules upon which they depend. |
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| 22:27.23 | mtnman | boardertx: on a debian system, all modules listed in /etc/modules are laoded at boot time (if they exist) |
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| 22:28.25 | spanglesontoast | where is the alsa sound card aliases |
| 22:28.40 | jim | does sata normaly use the scsi subsystem? |
| 22:28.47 | jim | under linux that is |
| 22:28.53 | BoarderTX | liable: good point, so it could just be discovering say my usb printer or something else and having a conflict |
| 22:29.02 | BoarderTX | is there a way to load my ndiswrapper before the discover? |
| 22:29.26 | azeem | BoarderTX: you can specify things to rmmod prior to modprobing things in /etc/modprobe.d I thin |
| 22:29.30 | azeem | k |
| 22:29.34 | BoarderTX | ok |
| 22:29.59 | BoarderTX | will this be sufficial for the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:30.00 | jim | you could look into update-rc.d and /etc/init.d and /etc/rcX.d |
| 22:30.01 | BoarderTX | auto wlan0 |
| 22:30.04 | BoarderTX | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 22:30.06 | nsanity | Lee__, Well, i had to restore an old array |
| 22:30.08 | BoarderTX | wireless-essid linksys |
| 22:30.11 | BoarderTX | thats it? |
| 22:30.15 | nsanity | Lee__, from another system -- I already had it installed |
| 22:30.21 | azeem | BoarderTX: it's wireless_essid I think |
| 22:30.35 | jim | assuming wlan0 exists at the time ifup wlan0 is called |
| 22:30.40 | azeem | at least, that's what I'm using here |
| 22:30.46 | BoarderTX | makes senese |
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| 22:30.52 | spanglesontoast | where are the sound card aliases? |
| 22:30.52 | furrywolf | hrmm, .11.11's changelong mentions smp race fixes... I ought to try it. |
| 22:31.21 | furrywolf | s/long/log |
| 22:31.28 | furrywolf | (although they are often quite long...) |
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| 22:31.43 | BoarderTX | would wlan0 exist if i didn't have to do the modprobe --remove and then the modprove ndiswrapper first |
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| 22:31.51 | mcshgg | when im configuring xfree86 and my agp ati radeon 9200se card, how can i tell what bus its in and what function [when it asks for something like AGP:nn:nn:nn |
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| 22:32.03 | BoarderTX | i have to do that first, an dhten do ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 22:32.06 | BoarderTX | and then dhclient wlan0 |
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| 22:32.17 | furrywolf | mcshgg: unless you have two video cards or want to do dual-head, you don't need to provide the busid. |
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| 22:32.32 | mcshgg | aha |
| 22:32.43 | azeem | BoarderTX: the modules get loaded before the network gets configurated |
| 22:32.58 | furrywolf | if there's only one card with only one screen, it's smart enough to go "duh, the ONLY video card..." |
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| 22:33.55 | BoarderTX | azeem: so perhaps if i blacklist ehci_uhd, ten the module will succesfully load and create the wlan0? |
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| 22:34.43 | furrywolf | if my wiz were dark blue, I'd be a bit worried.... |
| 22:34.44 | pedro420 | Can someone help me |
| 22:34.51 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 22:35.07 | azeem | BoarderTX: blacklisting will only make sure echi_uhd won't get loaded, you also need to add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules |
| 22:35.12 | azeem | but yeah, I guess |
| 22:35.13 | BoarderTX | i did |
| 22:35.17 | BoarderTX | no i'll restart and hope! |
| 22:35.18 | BoarderTX | lol |
| 22:35.26 | pedro420 | Everytime I try to reload my SPM it says linux.csua.berkeley.edu:80 (128.32.112.231). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 22:35.26 | pedro420 | http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Release: Could not connect to linux.csua.berkeley.edu:80 (128.32.112.231). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 22:35.26 | pedro420 | http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/dists/sarge/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Could not connect to linux.csua.berkeley.edu:80 (128.32.112.231). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
| 22:35.26 | pedro420 | http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/dists/sarge/contrib/binary-i386/Release: Could not connect to linux.csua.berkeley.edu:80 (128.32.112.231). - connect (111 Connection refused) |
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| 22:35.36 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 22:35.36 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a ubuntu user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 22:36.02 | nforbes | hah |
| 22:36.12 | furrywolf | mmm... killing ubuntu users... lol! lol! lol! *doesn't see them die* sigh, it was a good idea... |
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| 22:36.41 | azeem | I'm a ubuntu user, btw |
| 22:36.57 | BoarderTX | me too haha |
| 22:36.58 | jim | pedro420: perhaps the server is down? |
| 22:36.58 | liable | die! :) |
| 22:36.59 | BoarderTX | brand new to it though |
| 22:37.10 | BoarderTX | what is everyone's favorite distro? |
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| 22:37.18 | pedro420 | JIm: How can I check that ? |
| 22:37.25 | jim | try pinging it |
| 22:37.27 | nforbes | BoarderTX, well from a #debian perspective... |
| 22:37.31 | furrywolf | boardertx: what channel are you in? what do you think the distro we like is? LOL |
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| 22:37.34 | pedro420 | How do i ping |
| 22:37.34 | MobyTurbo | BoarderTX: what do you think we will say, "Red Hat"? |
| 22:37.35 | jim | try browsing it |
| 22:37.38 | BoarderTX | azeem: blacklisting it worked like a charm! |
| 22:37.39 | jim | man ping |
| 22:37.47 | azeem | BoarderTX: don't start distribution discussions, please |
| 22:37.58 | azeem | BoarderTX: cool, so thank whoever suggested that to you :) |
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| 22:38.04 | MobyTurbo | !start a distribution war |
| 22:38.08 | jim | !start a distro war |
| 22:38.09 | dpkg | Progeny rocks! |
| 22:38.15 | nforbes | wtf is progeny |
| 22:38.21 | ozzloy | BoarderTX, so far i think ubuntu is the best ever |
| 22:38.24 | jim | search and see |
| 22:38.35 | nforbes | Ew |
| 22:38.40 | jim | then you will learn wtf is progeny |
| 22:38.42 | phogg | I'm trying LVM for the first time and in a big 200G LV I've created and made a filesystem on I can't copy more than 4G of data before getting an out of disk space error. What gives? |
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| 22:38.45 | nforbes | I'll take my non-commerical Debian |
| 22:38.46 | nforbes | :| |
| 22:39.17 | jim | look into their goals a little closer... find out who they are... |
| 22:39.41 | pedro420 | Jim: How do I find out what my server is |
| 22:39.44 | jim | seems like you read two words and rejected on their basis |
| 22:39.46 | liable | phogg: is it vfat? |
| 22:39.59 | phogg | liable: reiserfs |
| 22:40.06 | MobyTurbo | !ubuntu |
| 22:40.06 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. |
| 22:40.10 | jim | pedro420: look in the messages you said |
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| 22:40.33 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 22:40.41 | jim | you already told us (multiple times... which is why you got kicked earlier...) |
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| 22:41.12 | RoundQube | i've had k3b installed and used for quite awhile, all of a sudden now when i try to burn anything it says "IO error. Deleting buffer files". I've been searching google with no avail. anyon eknow? |
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| 22:42.08 | pekkele | how i can uninstall xfce4 from my system totally |
| 22:42.45 | azeem | pekkele: use aptitude or synaptic and search&destroy all packages with xfce in their name, I'd suggest |
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| 22:43.20 | furrywolf | azeem: but dselect is so much nicer. :P |
| 22:43.35 | RoundQube | dude, dselect is evil |
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| 22:43.49 | furrywolf | and why's that? |
| 22:43.51 | jim | it looks nice... |
| 22:44.06 | azeem | OMG, you guys really can argue about anything |
| 22:44.09 | jim | but any time you try anything outside its original intent, it can't do it |
| 22:44.21 | jim | anything you'd reasonably think it could do |
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| 22:44.44 | RoundQube | azeem: not arguing, just simply stating a fact =) |
| 22:44.48 | furrywolf | dunno. in all my years of debian usage, it's still the one I like most. :P |
| 22:44.55 | azeem | jim: people in #debian-release were surprised this morning when told dselect can run non-interactively :) |
| 22:45.13 | mcshgg | how do i log in as root? in the login screen it says i cant log in as administrator |
| 22:45.23 | mcshgg | and i dont have any other user names |
| 22:45.35 | furrywolf | mcshgg: on debian? |
| 22:45.43 | mcshgg | yes |
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| 22:45.51 | jim | mcshgg: try ctrl-alt-F1 |
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| 22:45.55 | furrywolf | you didn't create a user during setup, like it made you do? :P |
| 22:45.59 | azeem | mcshgg: didn't you generate a user account during installation? |
| 22:46.02 | pekkele | furrywolf how to use dat dselect |
| 22:46.09 | mcshgg | i couldnt, the passwords were always funky |
| 22:46.13 | furrywolf | switch to a different console and log in there. then add yourself a normal user. then log out. |
| 22:46.24 | azeem | mcshgg: funky |
| 22:46.24 | azeem | ? |
| 22:46.29 | jim | nassaw |
| 22:46.35 | mcshgg | it didnt accept any of them |
| 22:46.41 | m4lu7 | {sigh} |
| 22:46.47 | RoundQube | mcshgg: boot up as "linux single" and that logs you in as root, just add a user, set password and reboot |
| 22:46.51 | m4lu7 | I'm not sure this is the correct channel to axe this in, but i'm desperate... |
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| 22:47.00 | jim | he doesn't need to linux single :P |
| 22:47.06 | RoundQube | dont axe us, you may ask us |
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| 22:47.09 | jim | rebooting is a windows solution |
| 22:47.12 | furrywolf | roundqube: why the hell would he want to reboot twice for something that doesn't need any reboots? |
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| 22:47.16 | m4lu7 | i've got a program running via cron, this program in turn calls another program, which is supposed to send its output to a "log" file. |
| 22:47.24 | mcshgg | linux single? |
| 22:47.27 | m4lu7 | When i run this progrma by hand, manually, it does send output to this "log" file. |
| 22:47.32 | RoundQube | he does'nt have a user and can't log in as root correct? |
| 22:47.41 | mcshgg | yes |
| 22:47.43 | m4lu7 | When i let cron run it, the logfile is "created", but no information shows up in the logfile. |
| 22:47.47 | jim | RoundQube: so he logs into the -console- |
| 22:47.49 | Phated | He can't log in as root to a *dm, I think. |
| 22:48.02 | m4lu7 | i thought this might be a permissioning problem, so i ran it as root's cron job, no difference, Still, no data shows up in my logfile |
| 22:48.02 | jim | by default that's probably trie |
| 22:48.05 | jim | ue |
| 22:48.05 | m4lu7 | Ideas? |
| 22:48.13 | furrywolf | roundqube: he's trying to log in as root IN X, and his display manager, quite intelligently, won't let him. he'd still be able to log in from another console though. |
| 22:48.13 | m4lu7 | is there something about cron that suppresses stdout? |
| 22:48.14 | mcshgg | but i dont know what linux single is, im a fedora user rmember |
| 22:48.16 | Phated | mcshgg: You can't log in as root to X. Hit Ctrl-Alt-F1, then log in and add a normal user. |
| 22:48.36 | mcshgg | ill try the ctrl alt f1 thing, brb |
| 22:48.36 | azeem | mcshgg: did you try that thing with ctrl+alt+f1? |
| 22:48.41 | RoundQube | furrywolf: oh, i misread what he wanted to do and intended to achieve |
| 22:48.41 | furrywolf | m4lu7: try blanking your $PATH and running it... it might be depending on a path, and cron isn't giving it the path it likes. |
| 22:48.46 | jim | mcshgg: at some point you should check out the boot prompt howto |
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| 22:48.59 | m4lu7 | furrywolf, no, that can't be it ( i don't think ) |
| 22:49.03 | jim | linux single isn't just for debian |
| 22:49.25 | m4lu7 | the command looks something like this: "yadda.sh &> /tmp/logfile.log", |
| 22:49.34 | m4lu7 | tmp/logfile.log gets created, |
| 22:49.38 | m4lu7 | just nothign gets directed to it |
| 22:49.50 | mcshgg | ok, so im logged in as root after the ctrl alt f1, how do i go about making another username? |
| 22:49.58 | Phated | mcshgg: adduser. |
| 22:50.02 | mcshgg | aha |
| 22:50.04 | furrywolf | are you sure yadda.sh is even running? and not, for example, exiting as soon as it can't find something? |
| 22:50.08 | pekkele | how i can uninstall xfce4 from my system totally |
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| 22:50.11 | mcshgg | i should have guessed that |
| 22:50.18 | m4lu7 | furrywolf, oh, yeah, it's running. i can see it in processlist |
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| 22:50.54 | RoundQube | actually its useradd |
| 22:50.58 | jim | mcshgg: you might look at the files in /usr/bin and pick a few each week to run "man thatfile" on |
| 22:51.15 | RoundQube | useradd is nice |
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| 22:51.21 | jim | that's a fairly random way to get familiar with some things you can do |
| 22:51.22 | Phated | Uhm... no, addusers works. |
| 22:51.29 | furrywolf | no, it's adduser. are you sure you use debian? |
| 22:51.41 | azeem | pekkele: use aptitude or synaptic and search&destroy all packages with xfce in their name, I'd suggest |
| 22:51.43 | jim | useradd is nice... but not really friendly |
| 22:51.45 | hellfire | furry: there are both. |
| 22:51.47 | RoundQube | furrywolf: fairly sure, i've been running it for years |
| 22:52.06 | RoundQube | i'd rather do it in one shot |
| 22:52.06 | furrywolf | hellfire: useradd is a non-interactive one. adduser is a pretty interactive one. which should new users be using? :P |
| 22:52.07 | jim | furrywolf: debian has been using the shadow passwd suite for a very long time |
| 22:52.11 | nforbes | useradd is BSD/UNIX isn't it? |
| 22:52.24 | hellfire | furrywolf: interactive maybe? |
| 22:52.25 | jim | no, shadow passwd suite |
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| 22:52.39 | RoundQube | furrywolf: agreed. =) |
| 22:52.45 | hardcampa- | Some distros simply symlink adduser to useradd etc |
| 22:52.48 | pekkele | how i can uninstall xfce4 from my system totally "NEED HELP" |
| 22:53.04 | azeem | pekkele: dude, do you have me on /ignore? |
| 22:53.05 | RoundQube | pekkele: read what people have been fucking saying shit |
| 22:53.08 | furrywolf | pekkele: you were already told how. by multiple people. now go do it. |
| 22:53.14 | RoundQube | you've been replied to numerous times |
| 22:53.17 | jim | pekkele: man dpkg or dpkg --help |
| 22:53.39 | mtnman | on this (sarge) system, useradd and adduser exist and are not symlinked. |
| 22:53.53 | azeem | mngrif: "some distros" |
| 22:53.54 | jim | no, they wouldn't be |
| 22:53.56 | pekkele | furrywolf you sayd dselect |
| 22:53.59 | azeem | eh, mtnman |
| 22:54.02 | colter | If I have the hotplug-package installed, does that make the usbmount-package redundant? |
| 22:54.20 | jim | mtnman: useradd is a c binary, and adduser (and deluser, at a guess) is a script |
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| 22:55.16 | furrywolf | !jw pekkele |
| 22:55.18 | dpkg | pekkele: Are people in #debian not helping you in the way you'd like to be helped? They won't hold your hand even though you need them to? A debian developer would probably be best to answer your question... please go to http://www.jabberwacky.com/ and enter your question into the text box, and click on "say it". Your message will automatically be sent to the developer help team, and you should receive an answer within seco |
| 22:55.47 | furrywolf | bah, didn't see that it made it too long with a nick first. :) |
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| 22:55.56 | m4lu7 | this is nuts. the logfile's being created, damnit, but no output is going to it. I must blame cron. it's got to be cron. |
| 22:55.56 | jim | you have to be inside seco to get an answer? |
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| 22:56.38 | jim | m4lu7: this thing you want to log, is it a program you wrote? |
| 22:56.58 | medkit__ | hi all |
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| 22:57.15 | phogg | m4lu7: try this: cd /tmp ; asdfghjkl > foobarbaz ; ls foobarbaz |
| 22:57.26 | m4lu7 | jim: well, no, not really. my "program" is nothing more than a bash script that calls other programs, and redirects their output to aforementioned logfile |
| 22:57.39 | m4lu7 | these programs have no logging facilities, i'd be using them if they did. |
| 22:57.53 | jim | oh... make sure that program runs outside of cron |
| 22:58.03 | liran_ | im trying to setup snort with acid, so im fetching acid like this 'aptitude install acidlab' though it quits on this message: Err http://ftp.us.debian.org sarge/main libpq3 7.4.7-6 |
| 22:58.03 | liran_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.04 | phogg | m4lu7: what has just happened? An unknown command ran and redirected output to a file, but since the command didn't exist the file is empty. |
| 22:58.06 | m4lu7 | phogg, try this: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/ |
| 22:58.09 | liran_ | do i need to update my sources or something? |
| 22:58.30 | jim | nononoNO do not try that |
| 22:58.31 | phogg | m4lu7: why would I want to do that? |
| 22:58.36 | medkit__ | i need to remove 2 linked-in Kernel modules: hpt34x and hpt366. Any guidance? |
| 22:58.43 | caphuso | liran_: wait till the mirror is completely synced |
| 22:58.58 | liran_ | what do you mean wait? |
| 22:59.29 | jim | !ops <m4lu7> phogg, try this: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/ |
| 22:59.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: <m4lu7> phogg, try this: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/ |
| 23:00.02 | ixi | I mount vfat volume /dev/hda1 under root and have no access to it under user. Mount options in fstab are: "rw,users,user". Whats wrong? |
| 23:00.03 | sparr | cant browse to google or yahoo... who do you call? your web hosting company of course. god some customers are so dense |
| 23:00.06 | streuner | !fuck m4lu7 |
| 23:00.10 | Anders1 | lol |
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| 23:00.21 | phogg | m4lu7: if I were really serious, I'd use the raw device |
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| 23:00.41 | hellfire | lol |
| 23:00.45 | furrywolf | !vfatrw |
| 23:00.45 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 23:01.12 | jim | that wouldn't have worked... but his intent was pretty clear |
| 23:01.36 | phogg | One day an NTFS driver will be written that has some support for NTFS permissions |
| 23:02.04 | furrywolf | phogg: hopefully not. that will encourage people to use ntfs. |
| 23:02.07 | jim | the only way that would happen without microsoft doing it, is by reverse engineering it |
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| 23:02.18 | ixi | furrywolf: thnx |
| 23:02.46 | furrywolf | ixi: glad to help. |
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| 23:04.12 | oXide | someone her to help me with quik.conf on sarge ppc ? |
| 23:04.17 | medkit__ | I'm trying to compile a 2.6.10-5-k7 Kernel without hpt34x and hpt366 modules. How go? |
| 23:05.02 | liran_ | caphuso, so what do i do about that acidlab problem? |
| 23:05.18 | azeem | medkit__: without the modules, or without those compiled into the kernel itself? |
| 23:05.21 | azeem | medkit__: and why, anyway? |
| 23:05.32 | hellfire | medkit_: did you do a "make config" or "make menuconfig" ? |
| 23:05.37 | caphuso | liran_: either use another mirror, (the round-robin of ftp.us.d.o. might take care of that) or wait an hour or so, then try again |
| 23:05.48 | peterS | jim: ntfs has been reverse engineered. anton altaparmakov knows as much about it as he needs to. it's just a matter of doing the very nontrivial work. ntfs is a complex beast. |
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| 23:06.27 | liran_ | caphuso, well i was trying it before about 8 hours ago and it didnt work either, maybe ill change a mirror then |
| 23:06.32 | peterS | jim: also, supporting ntfs permissions entails mapping NT security IDs to Unix user/group IDs, to say nothing of mapping NT ACL semantics to POSIX ACL semantics, which is also complex |
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| 23:07.06 | medkit__ | azeem, without compiled into the kernel itself. i have a highpoint 372A driver and the readme says to recompile without those modules before trying to load the drivers. |
| 23:07.08 | peterS | jim: NT is leagues ahead of Unix in its permissions management. mapping the complex world of NT to the comparitively simple world of Unix is *not* easy |
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| 23:07.13 | liran_ | im gonna use apt-setup to add more resources to my sources.list and then re-retry with aptitude |
| 23:07.15 | phogg | peterS: so is there some document out there describing how NTFS works, or is it all in someone's head? |
| 23:07.18 | YaleR | ubuntu is debian right? |
| 23:07.19 | peterS | well, not permissions *management*, but permissions *capabilities* |
| 23:07.26 | furrywolf | !ubuntu |
| 23:07.26 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. |
| 23:07.39 | peterS | phogg: it's been documented (from the reverse engineering), see linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net for the docs |
| 23:07.41 | medkit__ | azeem, Highpoint 372A IDE controller, sorry |
| 23:07.41 | YaleR | do that dpkg debian flavours crap |
| 23:07.58 | YaleR | would a ubuntu package work in debian? |
| 23:08.01 | furrywolf | !ubuntusmite YaleR |
| 23:08.06 | jim | peterS: but the long-term problem is that once microsoft catches wind of it, they'll change it |
| 23:08.10 | oXide | i just have a little question about bootloader config on debian/sarge ppc ... |
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| 23:08.24 | furrywolf | oxide: might try #debianppc |
| 23:08.35 | peterS | jim: they've made tweaks in Win2000 and WinXP. keeping up with the tweaks has not, from what I understand, been difficult |
| 23:08.36 | oXide | thx |
| 23:09.04 | jim | it's a reason to consider it unstable and even unfriendly |
| 23:09.19 | peterS | phogg: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ntfs/ is a couple of clicks away from the site I mentioned. full docs of the disk format. |
| 23:09.24 | remmy_ | has anyone installed a nvidia driver lately? |
| 23:09.26 | phogg | jim: MS is obsessed with backwards compatability, they wont break NTFS lightly. |
| 23:09.36 | azeem | medkit__: are you sure they are compiled in? |
| 23:09.37 | phogg | peterS: many thanks |
| 23:10.11 | jim | they've been known to try to break anyone competing with them with everything they got... |
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| 23:10.34 | peterS | jim: however ... MS *has* been planning to roll out a whole new filesystem for Longhorn. from the little I've heard, it'll be totally different from ntfs. they're going after new capabilities and efficiency. I don't know the details |
| 23:10.58 | medkit__ | azeem, yes. lsmod lists them. and the hpt366 detects the 372A but is not working with the attached ide harddisks |
| 23:11.18 | azeem | medkit__: well, lsmod lists modules... |
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| 23:11.22 | azeem | not compiled in stuff |
| 23:11.45 | medkit__ | azeem, dmesg says: Modules linked in: ... hpt366 ... hpt34x |
| 23:11.45 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | currently installing debian by netinstall and am at configuring Locales but not sure what ones to use... could someone help me out ? |
| 23:11.46 | azeem | you can blacklist modules though, so that they do not get loaded automatically |
| 23:11.54 | azeem | medkit__: hmm, ok |
| 23:11.58 | peterS | jim: this makes sense. back when NTFS came out in early NT versions, it was miles ahead of Linux filesystems. Linux has now caught up with journalling and ACLs and things like that. it stands to reason Microsoft hasn't been standing still. presumably they'll have *some* filesystem innovations by Longhorn |
| 23:12.14 | azeem | dunno then, probably you'll have to recompile the kernel if they are really compiled in |
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| 23:12.45 | LexanX | Anyonr this problem? I have two hds,the primary is windows xp and the other is debian. The primary also has the grub bootloader. Well it works but after going into windows xp and then doing a reboot, I loose grub. Then i have to run a recovery console to fix the mbr over again. |
| 23:12.49 | LexanX | how do i prevent this? |
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| 23:12.59 | medkit__ | azeem, howto blacklist modules? |
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| 23:13.27 | jim | peterS: I dunno, I get the impression they only innovate to make more money or preventing others from keeping money from them |
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| 23:13.55 | jim | I do not see them as a helpful influence in any way |
| 23:14.05 | peterS | jim: dude, they're a corporation. they do *everything* to make money, same as any other corporation |
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| 23:14.41 | jim | I'll stop... you know the arguments; I don't need to state them |
| 23:15.17 | sandzak | how to permanently set ip for eth0? after reboot setting are lost |
| 23:15.34 | streuner | sendzak /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 23:15.38 | jim | sandzak: how did you set ip before? |
| 23:15.42 | sandzak | ifconfig |
| 23:15.50 | jim | sandzak: what are you running? |
| 23:15.52 | hellfire | sandzak: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:15.53 | sandzak | ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.x |
| 23:15.54 | streuner | sandzak: DHCP? |
| 23:15.59 | sandzak | sarge debian |
| 23:16.02 | jim | didn't you set all that up when you installed debian? |
| 23:16.18 | streuner | sandzak: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:16.18 | liran_ | i have a question, i've added another source to my apt source's list and im seeing it's using 'testing' is that a good idea? |
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| 23:16.21 | sandzak | no, beacose it is usb ethernet |
| 23:16.37 | abrotman | liran_: that depends on what you want .. do you want to track sarge or testing ? |
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| 23:16.42 | azeem | medkit__: actually, I don't konw exectly either. Look around in the hotplug and modprobe documentation, I suggest |
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| 23:16.46 | jim | ok, does the module automatically load? |
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| 23:16.59 | liran_ | abrotman, well ive got woody->sarge which is a good idea? keeping it testing or changing to sarge? |
| 23:17.03 | jim | will the interface ALWAYS be plugged into the usb? |
| 23:17.15 | medkit__ | azeem, o.k. will keep trying. Thanks. |
| 23:17.23 | simonrvn | 'because' |
| 23:17.31 | abrotman | liran_: that depends on what you want .. do you want to track sarge or testing ? |
| 23:17.36 | morfeo | anybody knows a ERP software under Linux ?? |
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| 23:17.42 | hellfire | !ERP |
| 23:17.42 | dpkg | erp is, like, enterprise resource planning... mrproject is an example of an erp program in debian |
| 23:17.51 | jim | liran_: depends... want to keep sarge? or do you want to continue to the next testing (etch) automatically and whenever it happens? |
| 23:17.53 | abrotman | liran_: sarge will become stable soon .. testing will remain testing |
| 23:17.55 | GueVolt | I'm having a problem with the gkdial. I can connect but some values like input/output and time stay freeze. What is happening ? |
| 23:17.56 | simonrvn | renamed to planner |
| 23:17.57 | morfeo | hellfire : yes |
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| 23:18.09 | morfeo | dpkg : exact |
| 23:18.15 | liran_ | alright im changing it back to sarge then |
| 23:18.28 | azeem | morfeo: mind what simonrvn said |
| 23:18.29 | hellfire | morfeo: lucky strike. |
| 23:18.37 | simonrvn | !erp is also mrproject has been renamed to planner. yes, it's in debian. |
| 23:18.37 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 23:19.01 | morfeo | i use actually sugarCMR but now i need a ERP... |
| 23:19.05 | cafuego | ahaaa! |
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| 23:20.28 | simonrvn | !erp |
| 23:20.29 | dpkg | erp is, like, enterprise resource planning... mrproject is an example of an erp program in debian, or mrproject has been renamed to planner. yes, it's in debian. |
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| 23:20.58 | simonrvn | !erp =~ s/, or/. / |
| 23:20.58 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 23:20.58 | morfeo | dpkg : planner is to make a gantt projects |
| 23:20.59 | dpkg | morfeo: okay |
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| 23:21.07 | ishtvan222 | should i unmount a cd before I burn it? |
| 23:21.21 | streuner | it would help, yes. |
| 23:21.23 | jim | liran_: ok. That way, you won't be surprised when sarge goes stable... when that happens, so will your installation. Note the topic too: security is up for sarge. |
| 23:21.32 | simonrvn | !erp =~ s/gantt projects/Gantt project/ |
| 23:21.32 | dpkg | simonrvn: that doesn't contain 'gantt projects' |
| 23:21.42 | jim | ishtvan222: you can't mount a blank cd |
| 23:22.06 | ishtvan222 | jim: im trying to erase a cdrw |
| 23:22.08 | simonrvn | oh, planner |
| 23:22.14 | jim | ishtvan222: oh... |
| 23:22.24 | cafuego | !planner =~ s/ a // |
| 23:22.25 | dpkg | OK, cafuego |
| 23:22.26 | jim | yes, unmount it first |
| 23:22.32 | liran_ | jim, how do i keep sarge up to date with security? |
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| 23:22.47 | jim | add appropriate sources.list lines |
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| 23:22.59 | jim | which I don't know what those would be |
| 23:23.04 | liran_ | and then just aptitude update right? |
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| 23:23.13 | cafuego | !planner |
| 23:23.13 | dpkg | i heard planner is an ERP application for making Gantt charts. Your IT teacher will be *most* impressed |
| 23:23.28 | jim | yeah, except I'm used to apt-get and never used aptitude yet |
| 23:23.42 | ishtvan222 | but when i do "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc blank=fast" it does not work, and my dmesg says something about request sense failure. Any ideas? |
| 23:24.02 | sandzak | hellfire: thanks, /etc/network/interfaces add iface eth0 ... |
| 23:24.27 | K_Dallas | ishtvan222, i am not sure but maybe this helps: cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc .... |
| 23:24.40 | hellfire | sandzak: yep. |
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| 23:25.25 | ixi | How to list all video drivers available to X11> |
| 23:25.26 | ixi | ? |
| 23:25.37 | abrotman | ixi: why ? |
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| 23:26.37 | YGingras | hi, what are the prefered imap and pop3 daemons ? |
| 23:26.51 | K_Dallas | is it me or betanews renders terribly in FireFox? specially if I increase the font size |
| 23:26.54 | caphuso | YGingras: there is no concensus |
| 23:27.03 | ixi | abrotman: I see certain '[SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev31)' in the result of 'lspci' and think about changing X11 driver to something better then currently installed 'vesa' :) |
| 23:27.06 | ishtvan222 | K_Dallas: Thanks, but that doesnt work |
| 23:27.18 | K_Dallas | you added -, right? |
| 23:27.36 | cafuego | ixi: Were you also planning on upgrading your gfx driver to something better then the currently installed 'sis' ? |
| 23:27.41 | K_Dallas | what does cdrecord -scanbus says and what is the error message? |
| 23:27.43 | ishtvan222 | K_Dallas: yeah |
| 23:27.44 | YGingras | caphuso, are all the ones in Sarge good or should I avoid some of them ? |
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| 23:27.59 | resiak | !tell paulswm -about marillat |
| 23:28.01 | caphuso | YGingras: good for what? |
| 23:28.06 | ixi | cafuego: I'd gladly do it but this is 'hardcoded notebook from rover' :)) |
| 23:28.19 | ishtvan222 | cdrecord does not give an error message just stops |
| 23:28.26 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 23:28.42 | K_Dallas | isnt there a verbose mode? something like -v ? |
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| 23:28.46 | YGingras | caphuso, a small site with 5 users and a few mailing lists |
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| 23:28.55 | abrotman | ixi: you need to check the docs at the xfree site and see if your card is supported |
| 23:29.04 | ishtvan222 | K_Dallas: good idea |
| 23:29.07 | ultraviolet16 | hello everyone... |
| 23:29.11 | YGingras | caphuso, less then 100 emails a day |
| 23:29.26 | K_Dallas | hello ultra |
| 23:29.31 | ultraviolet16 | I tried upgrading to the kernel 2.6.11 image from apt-get and now computer locks up on boot |
| 23:29.36 | YGingras | caphuso, and squirrelmail |
| 23:29.46 | ultraviolet16 | hello kdallas |
| 23:29.58 | K_Dallas | ultra: you dual boot with xp or just debian? |
| 23:30.01 | drac | ixi: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/sis.4.html |
| 23:30.30 | ultraviolet16 | it locks up on NET: Family 5 driver (or something like that |
| 23:30.32 | ultraviolet16 | just debian |
| 23:30.44 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 23:30.52 | ishtvan222 | i put the cdrecord output in #flood if you want to look |
| 23:30.55 | ultraviolet16 | sorry i didn't see your questoin 0_o |
| 23:30.58 | daft | ultraviolet16: is there a link to initrd in the bootloader? |
| 23:31.01 | K_Dallas | cannot you still log into your old kernel? |
| 23:31.01 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: so use the last good one .. or stop compiling your own kernels |
| 23:31.03 | caphuso | YGingras: well, any should work. choose the one you personally find most convenient |
| 23:31.06 | ultraviolet16 | yes there is |
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| 23:31.17 | ultraviolet16 | and I can log on to my old kernel |
| 23:31.29 | K_Dallas | abrotman, i think ultra just installed the image of kernel |
| 23:31.29 | YGingras | caphuso, ok, thanks! |
| 23:31.37 | jim | K_Dallas: you're additionally making your situation clearer for those who are not necesarily experts... and therefore you have a larger pool of helpers |
| 23:31.40 | ultraviolet16 | well the 2.6 kernel has some things I need |
| 23:31.55 | abrotman | K_Dallas: is he using sid .. maybe he shouldn't be |
| 23:32.17 | K_Dallas | well i dont know |
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| 23:32.30 | daft | did sid broke a other toy? |
| 23:32.36 | jim | ultraviolet16: perhaps you haven't updated the stuff necessary to support 2.6 |
| 23:32.42 | K_Dallas | has* |
| 23:32.55 | ultraviolet16 | ok.. how do I fix that..? dist-upgrade? |
| 23:33.08 | abrotman | no |
| 23:33.13 | abrotman | use your old working kernel |
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| 23:33.18 | jim | what dist are you running? |
| 23:33.18 | abrotman | what's wrong with the working one ? |
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| 23:33.38 | ultraviolet16 | it doesn't have device drivers for a digital sound processor I have |
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| 23:33.50 | ultraviolet16 | so its not recognized |
| 23:33.54 | abrotman | what is the versino of the old kernel ? |
| 23:33.59 | ultraviolet16 | 2.4 |
| 23:34.03 | jim | ultraviolet16: what dist are you running? |
| 23:34.10 | jim | 2.4.WHAT? |
| 23:34.15 | ultraviolet16 | let me see |
| 23:34.21 | jim | sheesh :P |
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| 23:34.35 | cafuego | ultraviolet16: run 'uname -r' and paste the output here |
| 23:34.35 | jim | !root |
| 23:34.35 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 23:34.49 | ultraviolet16 | whats the command again.. to see the version of the kernel? |
| 23:34.57 | K_Dallas | ultra: uname -a |
| 23:34.58 | abrotman | cafuego: do you know the command ? |
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| 23:35.14 | nforbes | ultraviolet16, Look in /usr/src and /boot |
| 23:35.15 | simonrvn | version is -r |
| 23:35.17 | ultraviolet16 | debian 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:35.26 | simonrvn | man uname |
| 23:35.27 | nforbes | ultraviolet16, Oh... you're running it now |
| 23:35.36 | nforbes | ultraviolet16, I thought you were on 2.6 :P |
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| 23:35.43 | jim | so -a will print it also |
| 23:35.47 | ultraviolet16 | i tried installing 2.6 |
| 23:35.49 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 23:36.01 | cafuego | simonrvn: Oh hey, dod you have the dcc chat line working on ravenbird? |
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| 23:36.05 | jim | -r is for when you JUST need the version string |
| 23:36.05 | ultraviolet16 | i did that, I have 686 btw, but its not booting right |
| 23:36.19 | cafuego | simonrvn: I can't get mine to establish chats at all! |
| 23:36.33 | simonrvn | cafuego: not sure yet. dunno if it's actually working or not |
| 23:36.52 | cafuego | simonrvn: Hmmm. I shall harass dondelelcaro when he waked up then ;-) |
| 23:36.56 | nforbes | ultraviolet16, Perhaps you configured it wrong :) |
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| 23:37.13 | simonrvn | yeh, he might tell you more about it. |
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| 23:38.18 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: maybe you should google a bit .. and see if others have the same problem |
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| 23:39.07 | ultraviolet16 | ok, i'll take a look in google |
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| 23:39.23 | ultraviolet16 | thanks-- byebye |
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| 23:40.47 | liran_ | well leaving it on 'testing' in apt's sources is giving me like 83 packages to upgrade while with sarge it just quits |
| 23:40.56 | liran_ | im afraid of upgrading those packages and breaking my system |
| 23:41.16 | Guerin | liran_: so stay with sarge |
| 23:41.41 | jim | why would that happen? aren't they presently identical? |
| 23:41.42 | abrotman | liran_: change your sources to sarge .. `apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade` |
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| 23:41.55 | jim | or are they trying to release sarge -now-? |
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| 23:42.32 | liran_ | abrotman, im after a woody->sarge operation, i've already done apt-get update and dist-upgrade. im now using aptitude btw |
| 23:42.38 | simonrvn | sarge is getting released on the 6th last i heard |
| 23:43.09 | abrotman | !tell liran_ about woody->sarge |
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| 23:43.30 | Guerin | jim: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 23:43.37 | azeem | abrotman: does that point to the release notes? |
| 23:43.41 | liran_ | abrotman, i've already done all of that |
| 23:43.56 | abrotman | liran_: currently there is no difference between sarge and testing |
| 23:44.04 | abrotman | azeem: what release ? |
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| 23:44.15 | azeem | abrotman: the sarge release notes |
| 23:44.22 | abrotman | azeem: it hasn't been released yet :) |
| 23:44.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you didnt get the ibook no? its SOLD. |
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| 23:44.33 | simonrvn | 19:42 simonrvn : sarge is getting released on the 6th last i heard |
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| 23:44.44 | simonrvn | we're not the 6th ;) |
| 23:44.47 | azeem | so all dpkg says is: 'd'oh, it hasn't been released yet'? |
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| 23:45.24 | jbmigel | sarge is released all over the place, just apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:45.37 | abrotman | jbmigel: not it is not .. it is not released as stable |
| 23:45.40 | azeem | my point being that one should point to the upgrade procedure in the release notes |
| 23:45.41 | abrotman | err no it is not |
| 23:45.46 | mne | hi there ! My tripwire still reports that files were modified, though I did update the database with the last report. What can I do ? |
| 23:45.52 | azeem | not just telling people to apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:45.54 | abrotman | azeem: what release notes ... it hasn't released yet |
| 23:46.04 | jbmigel | who cares if its labelled stable... you can still get it |
| 23:46.17 | azeem | abrotman: uhm, that doesn't preclude release notes from existing, right? |
| 23:46.25 | abrotman | !moron jbmigel |
| 23:46.25 | deadcat | jbmigel: that means servers can upgrade moron |
| 23:46.26 | dpkg | jbmigel: You are moron #76 |
| 23:46.37 | abrotman | azeem: so find them |
| 23:47.00 | jbmigel | deadcat sorry i was under the impression that sarge was getting security updates |
| 23:47.13 | abrotman | i haven't gotten any yet afaik .. |
| 23:47.30 | jim | jbmigel: it is, but it's only frozen, not released |
| 23:47.36 | deadcat | jbmigel: nah. going stable mostly means servers get the goodies. desktop users dont really care because we can always use testing or unstable. |
| 23:47.42 | azeem | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes.en.txt |
| 23:47.50 | abrotman | azeem: good .. append the factoid |
| 23:48.11 | abrotman | azeem: erm .. wait .. we don't want testing release notes .. we want sarge release notes |
| 23:48.37 | azeem | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 23:48.37 | abrotman | azeem: know where they are ? |
| 23:48.39 | azeem | actually |
| 23:48.42 | abrotman | no .. that's for testing |
| 23:48.44 | abrotman | not for sarge |
| 23:48.51 | azeem | "Release Notes for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (`sarge')," |
| 23:48.58 | jim | that's odd... testing is not a release and yet it has a release-notes file? |
| 23:49.01 | jbmigel | !moron abrotman |
| 23:49.02 | dpkg | abrotman: You are moron #44 |
| 23:49.02 | abrotman | in two weeks .. that URL will be release notes for Etch |
| 23:49.07 | abrotman | jbmigel: piss off |
| 23:49.08 | azeem | sounds pretty much like the sarge release notes to me |
| 23:49.23 | abrotman | azeem: that url will be broken after sarges release |
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| 23:49.26 | keithr | i want to configure xcdroast but root cannot open display. how do I allow root to use display? |
| 23:49.32 | azeem | abrotman: so s/testing/sarge/ |
| 23:49.40 | deadcat | keithr: sudo xcdroast |
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| 23:49.45 | jbmigel | i thought sarge=testing isnt that what you guys just said? |
| 23:49.48 | abrotman | azeem: http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes .. the URL you want |
| 23:49.56 | azeem | 01:45 < azeem> abrotman: so s/testing/sarge/ |
| 23:49.57 | abrotman | jbmigel: you should really stop asking questions |
| 23:50.05 | deadcat | abrotman: hahaha |
| 23:50.05 | abrotman | azeem: yes .. but you gave me the wrong url twice |
| 23:50.12 | jbmigel | abrotman i only ask to watch you boohoo all the time you whiner |
| 23:50.13 | Guerin | deadcat: splashy works fine |
| 23:50.17 | azeem | abrotman: and you didn't about them at all |
| 23:50.20 | deadcat | Guerin: damn. screenshot please. |
| 23:50.22 | azeem | +know |
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| 23:50.25 | Guerin | deadcat: no config, no documentation, just install it and it works |
| 23:50.27 | abrotman | jbmigel: in english please ... |
| 23:50.32 | deadcat | Guerin: or pciture even better. |
| 23:50.35 | Guerin | deadcat: can't; no camera. |
| 23:50.44 | deadcat | Guerin: fbgrab |
| 23:50.50 | abrotman | azeem: i knew about them .. and you still didn't append the factoid .. either do it . or stop bitching |
| 23:50.52 | jbmigel | abrotman you always fall back to the english eh? hold tight to that man if its all you have |
| 23:50.53 | Guerin | deadcat: cba |
| 23:51.09 | Guerin | deadcat: just a cartoon tux on a icy blue background |
| 23:51.12 | abrotman | jbmigel: you suck mufflers for fun ? |
| 23:51.23 | keithr | deadcat: thanks |
| 23:51.47 | Guerin | deadcat: supposedly works on ppc too; has framebuffer instructions for quik |
| 23:51.59 | azeem | abrotman: I'm not bitching, I just pointed out the release notes. Append it yourself if you care, I don't like dpkg |
| 23:52.02 | daft | I have my skull as background |
| 23:52.22 | abrotman | azeem: you were complaining about it .. i think the factoid is just fine |
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| 23:52.38 | Guerin | deadcat: one gotcha, though: it drops you to VT7, where X normally is, so if (like me) you don't run a DM, it's a bit confusing. |
| 23:52.40 | azeem | abrotman: I asked whether the factoid mentioned the release notes |
| 23:53.17 | deadcat | Guerin: i run gdm (= |
| 23:53.20 | abrotman | !tell azeem about woody->sarge |
| 23:53.27 | abrotman | azeem: it was quite easy to look for yourself |
| 23:53.52 | deadcat | Guerin: cant you use another image? |
| 23:55.06 | Guerin | deadcat: there are config files and so on; they're just not documented. |
| 23:55.21 | deadcat | Guerin: k. let me give it a go. |
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| 23:57.03 | abrotman | !alicekill Guerin |
| 23:57.24 | deadcat | Guerin: what you need to put in grub? it didnt do much since i use yaboot here |
| 23:57.25 | Guerin | abrotman: thanks mate |
| 23:57.28 | pekkele | is somewhere manuals how to install mplayer in debian sarge?? |
| 23:57.41 | Guerin | deadcat: nothing. Just Worked(TM) |
| 23:57.43 | abrotman | !tell pekkele about mplayer |
| 23:57.47 | abrotman | !tell pekkele about marillat |
| 23:57.57 | jim | pekkele: jsut get the source and build it |
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| 23:58.02 | Guerin | no |
| 23:58.05 | Guerin | use marillat |
| 23:58.20 | daft | pekkele: whats wrong with xine? |
| 23:58.22 | K_Dallas | jim i tried that but not that straighforward |
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| 23:58.38 | jim | K_Dallas: what problems did you encounter/ |
| 23:58.39 | jim | ? |
| 23:59.30 | K_Dallas | jim, i dont remember it was a while back but i had to work with people in mplayer chan to solve it, then i used the package from sid on a fresh debian and it worked right away |
| 23:59.54 | deadcat | Guerin: i am gonna reboot the ibook (= |
