| 00:00.02 | K_Dallas | it could have been just me as i am no expert in details but still it was not as easy as the other source balls |
| 00:00.11 | jim | there is no package -in- sid for mplayer |
| 00:00.24 | K_Dallas | ok, th mailbrat or whatever it is :) |
| 00:00.39 | K_Dallas | i mean the pre7 package not sid |
| 00:00.42 | LoneTech | there was once, though not for long |
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| 00:01.14 | zinx | mplayer's a legal mine field where every mine is a 100Mton atom bomb |
| 00:01.25 | abrotman | zinx: it's sitting in new |
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| 00:01.29 | jim | Guerin: so what's wrong with building it? |
| 00:01.33 | Guerin | zinx: it's not quite that bad. |
| 00:01.40 | abrotman | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 00:01.47 | Guerin | jim: it's unnecessary. It's already built. |
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| 00:02.13 | Guerin | wheee, mplayer in sid!! |
| 00:02.23 | stupid_user | what are the sound daemons and what are they used for? do i need the artsd to run in kde? |
| 00:02.33 | abrotman | Guerin: not yet |
| 00:02.42 | Guerin | stupid_user: no. you can turn it off in kcontrol. |
| 00:02.46 | Agrajag- | stupid_user: no you don't, and they're a waste of time, don't run them |
| 00:02.46 | Guerin | abrotman: but eventually. |
| 00:02.56 | abrotman | Guerin: it's been in new for about 3 months iirc |
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| 00:03.12 | stupid_user | any specific reason they are in defaults? |
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| 00:03.16 | Guerin | abrotman: 1 month, according to that doc. |
| 00:03.35 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. that version is 1 month old :) |
| 00:03.36 | Guerin | stupid_user: because kde presumes that you will only use kde and arts-aware programs. |
| 00:03.39 | Guerin | oh |
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| 00:03.50 | Gnea | oh COOL |
| 00:03.52 | Gnea | a stupid_user |
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| 00:03.56 | stupid_user | Guerin what difference does it make if i do not use arts aware programs? |
| 00:03.58 | abrotman | Gnea: just one ? |
| 00:03.58 | punsad | anyone burn dvd's with linux using dvd-r format? I'm only successful using dvd+RW format |
| 00:04.07 | stupid_user | Gnea :) |
| 00:04.10 | Gnea | abrotman: good point |
| 00:04.18 | Agrajag- | stupid_user: and for some reason some people think it's a good idea to let your desktop environment play sounds when you're trying to listen to mp3's/watch movies etc. |
| 00:04.29 | Gnea | stupid_user: without defaults there would be no content |
| 00:04.52 | d03boy | anyone know on IRC where I could get some help with bash scripting? |
| 00:05.04 | stupid_user | Gnea well, i suppose to could have been disabled by default |
| 00:05.08 | stupid_user | d03boy #bash |
| 00:05.10 | abrotman | d03boy: #bash |
| 00:05.11 | Gnea | d03boy: right here. http://www.google.com |
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| 00:05.18 | abrotman | !bash |
| 00:05.18 | dpkg | methinks bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
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| 00:05.28 | abrotman | what .. no url ? |
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| 00:05.34 | Gnea | stupid_user: that's what the power switch is for ;) |
| 00:05.35 | jaybar | anyone lost the ability for graphical logins after updateing? |
| 00:05.38 | jim | info bash is the definitive reference document |
| 00:05.53 | Gnea | and pinfo bash will knock your socks off |
| 00:05.56 | toresbe | jaybar: you presumably have :P |
| 00:06.00 | abrotman | jaybar: updating in what and updating what ? |
| 00:06.16 | stupid_user | Agrajag- so, basicly it performs mixing on the sounds (not sure if that is the correct term) |
| 00:06.16 | jaybar | yup |
| 00:06.16 | sparr | how can i find all the files over a certain size on my hard drive? |
| 00:06.20 | abrotman | sparr: man find |
| 00:06.26 | jaybar | updating testing in kpackage |
| 00:06.27 | deadcat | Guerin: am i suppose to see something during bootup? i dont see shit execpt the green text that tells me its at x%, which dont do me no good |
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| 00:07.04 | ethics | is there something similar to dvd-decryptor on debian? yes i have css done already |
| 00:07.20 | deadcat | Guerin: /etc/default/splashy if you dont want to switch to 7, select what ever you want there. |
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| 00:07.26 | abrotman | odd a guy with the nick ethics would ask that |
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| 00:07.50 | punsad | sparr: find . -type f -size +10000 -exec ls -al {} \; |
| 00:07.57 | stupid_user | oh, btw, how can i beautify the xdm login screen for kde? |
| 00:07.58 | jim | you could say he has one ethics but no others :) |
| 00:08.02 | mtnman | abrotman: illegal != unethical |
| 00:08.14 | punsad | sparr: http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/FIND/find-usage.html |
| 00:08.17 | abrotman | mtnman: debatable |
| 00:08.23 | duncf | abrotman: nothing unethical about wanting fair use |
| 00:08.34 | abrotman | duncf: ^^ |
| 00:08.35 | mtnman | abrotman: you would be on the losing end of the debate. |
| 00:08.36 | ethics | lol...i own them just ripping to my hdd so i can watch around my house |
| 00:08.39 | jim | abrotman: he's right in the general case |
| 00:08.42 | Agrajag- | stupid_user: yeah |
| 00:09.12 | abrotman | mtnman: in his country .. it may be illegal .. and ethically bad as far as your gov't is concerned :) |
| 00:09.13 | mtnman | abrotman: consider the law which does not allow american indians inside of the boston city limits. |
| 00:09.24 | abrotman | mtnman: with good reason ... |
| 00:09.44 | jim | that law still in effect? |
| 00:09.47 | duncf | mtnman: really? that crazy |
| 00:09.47 | ethics | so thats a no or a we cant tell you hehe? |
| 00:09.48 | mtnman | jim: yes. |
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| 00:09.56 | abrotman | mtnman: i live in PA .. we have worse 'stupid' laws |
| 00:09.57 | jim | and is it enforced? |
| 00:10.04 | abrotman | jim: what do you think? |
| 00:10.13 | jim | dunno, I'm not there. |
| 00:10.32 | abrotman | they don't even enforce the laws recently passed that make sense .. why enforce that one |
| 00:10.37 | mtnman | abrotman: yes, so disobeying a stupid law is not necessarily unethical. |
| 00:10.42 | jim | it's -boston-... |
| 00:10.51 | abrotman | mtnman: i think that's an immoral law :) |
| 00:10.58 | jaybar | been running update in kpackage this last wk n programs started to seg 11 n die today i decided to reboot n kde doesnt finish and leaves me back at kdm |
| 00:11.06 | praha1 | mtnman: it is unethical . What is stupid is not fighting for those laws to be removed |
| 00:11.08 | mtnman | abrotman: my point. illegal != unethical |
| 00:11.10 | abrotman | mtnman: at the time it was passed .. it made sense |
| 00:11.21 | abrotman | and was ethical .. sadly |
| 00:11.25 | praha1 | mtnman: except when you are in an undemocratic country |
| 00:11.26 | abrotman | today it is not |
| 00:11.36 | mtnman | abrotman: if you disobey the law today, are you unethical? |
| 00:11.37 | jim | and legal is not necessary ethical either |
| 00:11.48 | abrotman | mtnman: i'm not a native american :) |
| 00:11.52 | abrotman | i don't think |
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| 00:12.12 | abrotman | mtnman: but i made it from worcester to philly in 4.5 hours today :) |
| 00:12.15 | mtnman | abrotman: so, if an native american goes to boston, is he acting unethically? |
| 00:12.16 | caphuso | mtnman: http://www.cbsnews.com/track/rss/stories/2005/05/20/national/main696710.shtml?CMP=OTC-RSSFeed&source=RSS&attr=Politics_696710 |
| 00:12.19 | deadcat | Guerin: you still there? |
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| 00:12.29 | mtnman | caphuso: regarding? |
| 00:12.30 | praha1 | mtnman: illegal != unethical does not mean you should do what you feel like. There are process to remove unethical laws : using other means (like violence) is illegal and unethical |
| 00:12.34 | abrotman | mtnman: apparently he is .. i didn't say it was a good law .. but it's a law |
| 00:12.43 | caphuso | mtnman: that bostonian law |
| 00:12.50 | WiFiTux | what can I do to clean up my boot messages? |
| 00:12.57 | caphuso | WiFiTux: "clean up"? |
| 00:12.59 | abrotman | wifigod: you can speak! |
| 00:13.03 | mtnman | caphuso: give me incentive to read that page.. what is it about? |
| 00:13.07 | Guerin | deadcat: 1 |
| 00:13.28 | deadcat | Guerin: dont do shit for me. shutdown i see the image with the status bar. but the bar dont do shit. you? |
| 00:13.32 | caphuso | mtnman: that bostonian law you mentioned |
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| 00:13.37 | WiFiTux | caphuso, it's too -v |
| 00:13.37 | abrotman | mtnman: that's funny .. that law you speak of was removed from the books last week :) |
| 00:13.45 | WiFiTux | abrotman, indeed. |
| 00:13.54 | praha1 | mtnman: except i doubt native americans had their word in the boston laws establishment. They are not bound ethically to them ... weird talks :) |
| 00:14.04 | mtnman | abrotman: i disagree. what about the laws that hitler put into effect, such as forcing jews to wear special insignia. was disobeying that law unethical? |
| 00:14.09 | abrotman | certainly not 400 years ago when the law was passed |
| 00:14.21 | Guerin | deadcat: bar doesn't do anything for me on shutdown, but on boot it works fine |
| 00:14.30 | abrotman | mtnman: apparently it was ... since they were jailed/shot for the offense :) |
| 00:14.33 | mtnman | abrotman: if one disobeyed that law *today* would you consider him unethical? |
| 00:14.34 | caphuso | so, and now i suggest everyone moves that law discussing to a more appropriate place |
| 00:14.41 | deadcat | Guerin: i dont see shit on boot (=.. must be doing something wrong damn. |
| 00:14.49 | abrotman | mtnman: i know people today who want to tattoo people with aids/are gay |
| 00:14.52 | Guerin | debian: I blame ppc |
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| 00:15.11 | abrotman | mtnman: which i think is rediculous .. but they seem very adamant about it |
| 00:15.12 | mtnman | abrotman: you're not building a case for your point. |
| 00:15.38 | abrotman | mtnman: no .. i was just saying it was a stupid idea .. still the law |
| 00:15.45 | WiFiTux | caphuso, I think I enabled a debug mode for hotplug and now when booting it's too much junk... |
| 00:15.53 | abrotman | not the tattoo thing .. the yellow star thing |
| 00:15.58 | caphuso | WiFiTux: so disable that hotplug debugging setting again |
| 00:16.03 | sparr | until a cure is found i am in favor of marking people who have aids, with the exact same reasoning we would use to quarantine anyone who had ebola. because its not openly contagious quarantine is excessive, but there should be no chance for anyone to ever be accidentally infected |
| 00:16.06 | abrotman | mtnman: anyways .. totally OT .. and i'm hungry :) |
| 00:16.14 | WiFiTux | caphuso, heh, can't find it. |
| 00:16.27 | caphuso | WiFiTux: how did you find it the first time? |
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| 00:16.35 | abrotman | mtnman: i think fair use is a great idea .. but it doesn't happen everywhere .. |
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| 00:16.43 | WiFiTux | caphuso, I know... I'm on it... just have to dig in |
| 00:16.44 | deadcat | Guerin: do you hae to change the config.xml file? |
| 00:16.59 | Guerin | deadcat: nope. |
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| 00:17.16 | Guerin | deadcat: I TRIED to rtfm, but there ISN'T one. |
| 00:17.20 | deadcat | haha |
| 00:17.22 | praha1 | mtnman: they where removed their citizenship ... so they where not bound ethiclly by those laws (the unethical thing is that nazis removed them their citizenship and to an extent their humanity ) |
| 00:17.35 | Guerin | goddamn |
| 00:17.44 | sparr | praha1: so its ethical to mistreat people who arent citizens? |
| 00:17.47 | Guerin | what a stupid discussion this is |
| 00:17.55 | mtnman | praha1: not true. non-citizens are still legally bound by local law. |
| 00:17.57 | caphuso | ENOUGH NOW |
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| 00:18.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:18.14 | WiFiTux | caphuso, I wonder if --purge and then install it again would clear that from the config files? |
| 00:18.18 | deadcat | Guerin: after the bootup. do you still have the image on the console bg right? |
| 00:18.20 | sparr | caphuso: an @ would make your point nicely :) |
| 00:18.31 | caphuso | WiFiTux: maybe. i wouldn't know |
| 00:18.45 | Guerin | deadcat: no, after bootup the image vanishes and I just have a plain black console, as ever |
| 00:18.59 | deadcat | Guerin: then splashy is useless to me. |
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| 00:19.09 | Guerin | deadcat: why? |
| 00:19.17 | Guerin | it's a splash screen for boot |
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| 00:19.26 | Guerin | it's not a fb background program |
| 00:19.33 | Skrylar | Can anyone help set up alsa sound? I still can't get it to work; it errors out when I try to load the module |
| 00:19.43 | deadcat | Guerin: i want the image on the tty, i dont really care about bootup or shutdown because i rarely. i want to but i can live without. |
| 00:19.52 | mtnman | skrylar: there used to be an alsa howto at debianplanet.org |
| 00:19.58 | ethics | Skrylar, lspci whats the card called? |
| 00:21.07 | mtnman | skrylar: s/.org/.net/ |
| 00:21.26 | Tabitha | I'm installing Urchin 5 (.com) on debian stable and am running the configuration script. When it asks me to specify a port, no matter what I specify is returned as unavailable... is there a service I could be running that would be blocking these ports? I thought portsentry might be one but disabling that didn't help matters... any ideas? |
| 00:21.50 | Skrylar | ethics: its a crystal audio CS4237B |
| 00:21.57 | zinx | Tabitha: netstat -natuwp |
| 00:22.13 | praha1 | sparr : you found out the problem with the racist ideology . When you start to tell some people are more human than others it becomes ethical for the "more humans" to kill them . I have looked deeply and found no human wants to harm other humans . Only some blieve or are made to believe that their family, ethnicity or who knows is more human than others and so you should kill other "less humans" to protects them ... or even to di |
| 00:22.24 | Skrylar | ethics: lspci doesn't show any audio card |
| 00:22.33 | Skrylar | ethics: its a ISA card I believe |
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| 00:22.53 | azeem | praha1: eh, what are you talking about? |
| 00:22.54 | Tabitha | zinx: interesting, nothing running on those ports. perhaps it's a problem with urchin then |
| 00:22.54 | ethics | Skrylar, apt-get install isapnptools i thin its called |
| 00:23.04 | praha1 | sparr: and to some extents nationalism is a light form of rascism |
| 00:23.05 | zinx | Tabitha: sounds like it |
| 00:23.14 | azeem | praha1: it sounds off-topic, so please stop it |
| 00:23.16 | ethics | Skrylar, apt-cache search for isapnp and install it |
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| 00:23.46 | zinx | Tabitha: note that only root can bind to points < 1024, though |
| 00:23.52 | zinx | Tabitha: erh, ports |
| 00:23.54 | praha1 | azeem: sorry , i could not let sparr putting those words in my mouth "(02:19:19) sparr: praha1: so its ethical to mistreat people who arent citizens?" |
| 00:23.54 | Skrylar | ethics: alright then what |
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| 00:24.13 | ethics | Skrylar, run alsaconf once thats laoded |
| 00:24.25 | BucWheat | if i use software raid what do i need to compile into kernel to use software RAID 1 with 2 hdds? |
| 00:24.39 | deadcat | Guerin: back to 2.6.11.11, my fbsplash or bootsplash on my gallery has images on each tty after the machine finish booting. |
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| 00:25.10 | Guerin | deadcat: woo. |
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| 00:25.42 | NP_complete | hi all |
| 00:25.43 | Skrylar | ethics: it still doesn't find squish.. im trying it with a search every irq type deal |
| 00:26.10 | deadcat | Guerin: you should try bootsplash on your machine. |
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| 00:26.24 | ethics | Skrylar, modprobe snd-cs4236 |
| 00:26.51 | BucWheat | deadcat sup man. couldn't get bootsplash to cooperate but splashy works great :) :) |
| 00:26.54 | jim | on 2.6 and maybe 2.4, the pcmcia modules are moved from external package into the kernel, right? |
| 00:26.56 | Guerin | deadcat: i have absolutely no need - even negative need - for bootsplash. I only tried it because so many idiots whine about not having a nice shiny splash screen, i thought this might be a good option for them. |
| 00:27.00 | Skrylar | [Line 1] FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4236 (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko): No such device [Line 2] FATAL: Error running install command for snd_cs4236 |
| 00:27.08 | NP_complete | I have nvidia drivers correctly installed, but when i run "glxgears" i get: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 00:27.08 | NP_complete | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 00:27.23 | deadcat | BucWheat: splashy dont give you bg image after boot is done though right? |
| 00:27.27 | abrotman | ask #nvidia |
| 00:27.46 | jim | Skrylar: you might have to find and specify the irqs and ports |
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| 00:27.55 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. (=. easy for them and dont have to mess with kernel. |
| 00:28.00 | praha1 | NP_complete: what did you mean by correctly installed : the kernel drivers, the X driver, the XF86Config ? |
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| 00:28.08 | BucWheat | deadcat never tested that since i boot straight into X11 and use xterm or ssh for console access |
| 00:28.11 | Skrylar | jim: wouldn't that show up if i set alsaconf to test every possible irq |
| 00:28.21 | deadcat | BucWheat: switch to tty and see |
| 00:28.25 | Guerin | deadcat: yeah. now to find out if it works on plain sarge... |
| 00:28.25 | praha1 | deadcat: splashy is only a boot splash |
| 00:28.44 | deadcat | praha1: oh. what do you call those images thats on the console after the boot process is done? |
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| 00:29.11 | BucWheat | k |
| 00:29.14 | NP_complete | praha1: The kernel drivers, and XF86 |
| 00:29.17 | loka | How do hold a packget back in apt-get ? |
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| 00:29.29 | NP_complete | In fact when i start my X i can see the nvidia logo |
| 00:29.36 | deadcat | loka: dpkg |
| 00:29.45 | abrotman | ask #nvidia |
| 00:29.50 | loka | deadcat: dpkg --??? |
| 00:30.02 | jim | --help |
| 00:30.10 | deadcat | loka: echo pakage hold | dpkg --set-selection |
| 00:30.22 | praha1 | deadcat: that s a hack to the linux fb console |
| 00:31.07 | loka | deadcat: where goes the packget name? |
| 00:31.08 | praha1 | deadcat: though obviousy it requires a patch to the said kernel fb console |
| 00:31.08 | Guerin | !hold |
| 00:31.08 | dpkg | hold is, like, a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
| 00:31.08 | jim | deadcat: you might want to spell that correctly... his dpkg won't understand with the incorrect spelling |
| 00:31.08 | deadcat | praha1: so you still need a kernel patch for those right? i am using bootsplash on x86 and fbsplash on ppc |
| 00:31.09 | deadcat | jim: hahah |
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| 00:31.20 | jim | deadcat: no, really |
| 00:31.37 | praha1 | deadcat: you don't need a kernel patch . You don't have this feature |
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| 00:31.45 | BucWheat | deadcat no patch is needed to kernel it all works from within user space. you just need to enable bootsplash in kernel is all |
| 00:31.53 | jim | when you're telling them about a command, you have to remember there may or may not be a language issue |
| 00:31.58 | LoneTech | I'd recomment aptitude, not dselect |
| 00:32.01 | runedude | hello.. is there anyway to make apt NOT upgrade the kernel w/ upgrade/dist-upgrade |
| 00:32.14 | liable | runedude: it wont anyway |
| 00:32.21 | Guerin | runedude: uninstall the kernel metapackage |
| 00:32.22 | runedude | ? |
| 00:32.30 | Guerin | it WILL if you have a metapackage installed |
| 00:32.44 | caphuso | who came up with that nonsense? |
| 00:32.47 | Guerin | runedude: which kernel series? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 00:32.53 | deadcat | praha1: ? |
| 00:32.54 | abrotman | caphuso: ? |
| 00:32.56 | jim | on 2.6 and maybe 2.4, the pcmcia modules are moved from external package into the kernel, right? |
| 00:32.56 | Guerin | been that way for ages |
| 00:32.56 | Skrylar | alsaconf returned zlich |
| 00:33.10 | praha1 | deadcat: the user space answer would be to patch fbiterm to allow it to have a background like eterm have |
| 00:33.11 | deadcat | BucWheat: what? |
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| 00:33.20 | mtnman | jim: not on 2.4, iirc |
| 00:33.21 | loka | deadcat: echo pdns-backend-mysql hold | dpkg --set-selections aint working |
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| 00:33.29 | jim | ok |
| 00:33.32 | deadcat | praha1: fbiterm eh? |
| 00:33.32 | caphuso | Guerin: what's the name of that meta package? |
| 00:33.46 | mtnman | jim: i take that back. |
| 00:33.48 | runedude | err |
| 00:33.52 | Guerin | kernel-image-2.x-y-arch |
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| 00:34.01 | praha1 | deadcat: that s a fb terminal quite slow though it support asian characters |
| 00:34.02 | runedude | 2.4, Guerin |
| 00:34.17 | deadcat | loka: as root? |
| 00:34.20 | jim | so on both, the pcmcia module source is in the kernel source tree |
| 00:34.28 | deadcat | praha1: for x or console? |
| 00:34.34 | Guerin | runedude: give me the output of dpkg -l |grep kernel-image-2.4 |
| 00:34.42 | praha1 | NP_complete: lsmod | grep nvidia is it loaded (you can also look dmesg output) |
| 00:34.42 | loka | deadcat: ye, it stills try to remove the packget when im installign something new |
| 00:34.56 | mtnman | jim: i was right the first time. on 2.4, kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4-686 exists. |
| 00:35.00 | deadcat | loka: hold is not to upgrade |
| 00:35.09 | praha1 | deadcat: the x version is xiterm |
| 00:35.15 | NP_complete | praha1 it's correctly loaded and working |
| 00:35.20 | runedude | Guerin, err.. this is a mod of debian, btw.. tinysofa |
| 00:35.21 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 00:35.25 | jim | ok, and does not exist for 2.6? |
| 00:35.27 | NP_complete | praha1: The problem is with GLX |
| 00:35.28 | Guerin | grrr |
| 00:35.32 | Skrylar | jim, ethics: When I run /etc/init.d/alsa start it says "Starting alsa...ok" and then turns around and tells me theres no card when I try to run alsamixer |
| 00:35.34 | liable | goddamn |
| 00:35.35 | Guerin | runedude: no fucking idea then, sorry. |
| 00:35.40 | deadcat | praha1: i am confused. so when i login via tty1, i still need a terminal? |
| 00:35.43 | praha1 | NP_complete: could you paste /var/log/XFree86.0.log to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:35.45 | mtnman | jim: dunno. don't have any 2.6 running here. |
| 00:35.48 | liable | abrotman: hahaha |
| 00:35.50 | loka | deadcat: how do i fix my problem than? |
| 00:35.52 | jim | ok |
| 00:35.57 | deadcat | loka: hell if i know |
| 00:35.59 | ethics | Skrylar, yeah the alsa script runs ok...it just has nothing to do |
| 00:36.04 | Guerin | abrotman: some people would pay good money for that... |
| 00:36.17 | mtnman | jim: i guess packages.d.o could answer that one... |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | Guerin: perhaps .. i'd rather not see it .. please don't .. i just cleaned the floors in here |
| 00:36.51 | NP_complete | is pasted here |
| 00:36.51 | NP_complete | http://sh.nu/p/261 |
| 00:36.58 | Skrylar | ethics: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 00:37.03 | praha1 | deadcat: the default is either the vga console or fb console if you use fbterm. Those are meant to be rock solid and i don't seee the point in bloating them with features . I don't want xterm to have billions of features too . |
| 00:37.04 | Guerin | caphuso: sorry, my bad - kernel-image-2.x-arch |
| 00:37.19 | Guerin | abrotman: you were the one watching |
| 00:37.34 | abrotman | NP_complete: did you ask #nvidia yet ? |
| 00:37.54 | caphuso | Guerin: hrm |
| 00:37.55 | NP_complete | yeah, i'm working on it |
| 00:38.03 | abrotman | NP_complete: and how did you install them ? |
| 00:38.07 | deadcat | praha1: so i just apt-get install fbiterm and thats it? |
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| 00:38.31 | praha1 | deadcat: that s tricky . The console is not really what you see (linux can only have one console). Though you can attach as many virtual terminals (/dev/ttyX) to a console (/dev/console) . |
| 00:38.48 | deadcat | praha1: forget it. sounds hard (= |
| 00:38.49 | NP_complete | 1. I got nvidia-kernel. 2. Builded a .deb and dpkged it... |
| 00:38.59 | Guerin | built |
| 00:39.04 | abrotman | !tell NP_complete about nvidia one liner |
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| 00:39.25 | praha1 | deadcat: it would not help nobody has added the background feature to fbiterm yet . Though it should be done there . Not in the kernel driver |
| 00:39.45 | ethics | Skrylar, i cant see anything in particular that it needs other than isapnptools, alsaconf etc......got hotplug & discover loaded? |
| 00:39.54 | deadcat | praha1: i'll stick with fbsplash for now. |
| 00:40.16 | Skrylar | ethics: I have an app named Discover if that's what you're talking about |
| 00:40.23 | crashbg | there is one unusual problem from me: i've tried to unsuscribe from debian-laptop@lists.debian.org but still getting messages - about 10-30 per day? |
| 00:40.32 | Skrylar | ethics: i read something similar to my problem on a google search but they never solved the guy's problem |
| 00:40.44 | mtnman | crashbg: how did you attempt to unsubscribe? |
| 00:41.19 | praha1 | deadcat: it is not really hard. Thing of the console as the X server (no window , nowhere to type ... some sort of canvas) and replaces "virtual terminals" by X "pseudo terminals" |
| 00:41.20 | Guerin | heh, Olly Stone busted |
| 00:41.26 | Guerin | no surprises there |
| 00:41.27 | crashbg | mtnman, i sent email to debian-laptop-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with unsuscribe as subject |
| 00:41.49 | Guerin | crashbg: you need to spell it correctly, i expect |
| 00:41.54 | Pauk | crashbg: And did you confirm it? |
| 00:42.12 | ethics | Skrylar: just reboot and see if it does different next time up.....i dont see why you would need to but it will give isapnp and discover a chance to try hold hands |
| 00:42.40 | Skrylar | ethics: alright |
| 00:42.40 | mtnman | crashbg: don't think it makes any difference, but you might try lower-case only address. |
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| 00:42.40 | ethics | Skrylar, ie i dont see anything else wrong |
| 00:42.55 | mtnman | crashbg: there is also a listmaster, or something to that effect. |
| 00:43.15 | praha1 | NP_complete: could you paste the X log ? |
| 00:43.22 | Guerin | you can opt out on the website too |
| 00:43.31 | Guerin | i believe |
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| 00:44.33 | crashbg | mtnman, i've sent another msgs to try again... |
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| 00:45.10 | mtnman | crashbg: are you sending the mail from the email address which is registered? |
| 00:45.22 | NP_complete | Anew man... It was nvidia-glx i hadn't it |
| 00:45.24 | myren | is there a fluxbox configuration program? openbox has obconf which is ok |
| 00:45.29 | crashbg | yeap! i've red the instructions... |
| 00:45.35 | NP_complete | i didn't had nvidia-glx |
| 00:45.56 | mtnman | crashbg: well, you are obviously doing something incorrectly, that is why i ask the obvious. |
| 00:46.09 | praha1 | deadcat: http://qingy.sourceforge.net/ may interest you :) |
| 00:46.11 | Guerin | fluxconf? |
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| 00:46.35 | mtnman | crashbg: this syntax works for me: mail -s unsubscribe debian-laptop-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null |
| 00:46.38 | crashbg | mtnman, yea i ask if there is something that i miss but obviously there is a mistake somewhere :) |
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| 00:46.47 | praha1 | i forgot it , though combined with splashy it replaces all (and add more) bootsplash features |
| 00:47.06 | deadcat | praha1: nice. i might have seen this before. |
| 00:47.19 | r3tr0 | *whew* - is switching to mdadm from raidtools2 supposed to be so exciting? |
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| 00:47.25 | crashbg | mtnman, thanks :) now i'll way for conf. for unsusc. |
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| 00:47.47 | mtnman | crashbg: i don't parse your last remark. |
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| 00:48.08 | NP_complete | I wold like to do secure vino, is there any way? |
| 00:48.30 | mtnman | crashbg: do you mean "wait" instead of "way"? do you mean confirmation and unsuccessful? |
| 00:48.30 | crashbg | i will wait for confirmation for the unsuscribtion :) |
| 00:48.33 | NP_complete | I mean, RSA remote desktop control... |
| 00:48.41 | deadcat | praha1: wow. i dont even need gdm no more? |
| 00:48.46 | mtnman | ah. |
| 00:48.49 | crashbg | hehe |
| 00:48.52 | crashbg | sory :/ |
| 00:49.02 | crashbg | my fault :) |
| 00:49.10 | mtnman | crashbg: do you mean "sorry"? |
| 00:49.25 | praha1 | deadcat: :) i said woaw too . A guy asked for it to be packaged for edbian then i google a bit and damn it that's nice |
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| 00:49.47 | crashbg | oh it's 4am don't judge me for those mistakes please |
| 00:49.49 | deadcat | praha1: damn. let me google it heheh |
| 00:50.20 | deadcat | dont see any deb |
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| 00:50.51 | AwesomeMachine | I get tired of people coming up to me and saying, "Hey, do people ever come up to you?" |
| 00:51.21 | deadcat | AwesomeMachine: what the fuck you talking about? |
| 00:51.40 | crashbg | ok another thing that i wonder about: how to access another 'already started' kde session remotelly? |
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| 00:52.00 | Skrylar | ethics: Didn't work |
| 00:52.01 | crashbg | like radmin in windows |
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| 00:52.21 | ick | ITS 30 OF MAY WERE IS SARGE ? |
| 00:52.22 | BucWheat | deadcat why don't you need gdm anymore? |
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| 00:52.30 | BucWheat | ick in its skin |
| 00:52.31 | ick | :-) |
| 00:52.34 | deadcat | BucWheat: qingy seems to take care of it. |
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| 00:52.49 | ethics | Skrylar, same error? |
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| 00:53.05 | deadcat | BucWheat: well. i guess i am sticking with my current settings since qingy fonts dont look nice. |
| 00:53.30 | ethics | ick, its still frozen....i think 6th was an updated date but still not quite released |
| 00:53.36 | ick | isnt sarge going to be released today ? |
| 00:53.37 | Skrylar | ethics: alsamixer wont budge because theres no sound card and the alsa script wont load for undisclosed reason (it wont tell me) |
| 00:53.39 | praha1 | NP_complete: Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 00:53.39 | praha1 | dlopen: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so: undefined symbol: _nv001178gl |
| 00:53.49 | deadcat | holly shit. "holler" is a real word. i thought brothers made it up (= |
| 00:53.56 | praha1 | NP_complete: you should report it to the nvidia-glx package . The driver is broken |
| 00:53.57 | ick | so what went wrong ? |
| 00:54.11 | newbie | hi! anyone who can help me? i can't access GUI on root coz it says mouse can't be loaded although I can access tha gui interface using other account |
| 00:54.18 | ethics | skrylar from what error does modprobe snd-cs4236 give? |
| 00:54.32 | ethics | ick, just bugfixing still... |
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| 00:54.38 | Guerin | newbie: never run a guui as root, ever. |
| 00:54.42 | deadcat | newbie: 1) dont use root for gui, 2) i dont get your q |
| 00:54.51 | AwesomeMachine | newbie, in an x seesion? |
| 00:54.58 | AwesomeMachine | session |
| 00:55.06 | newbie | yup!... juz a newbie |
| 00:55.15 | pekkele | i have add to my sources.list this, Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:55.16 | pekkele | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 00:55.16 | deadcat | !newbie |
| 00:55.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 00:55.19 | Skrylar | ethics: [Line 1] FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4236 (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko): No such device [Line 2]FATAL: Error running install command for snd_cs4236 |
| 00:55.19 | Guerin | newbie: just run your gui as a normal user, and be happy. |
| 00:55.30 | pekkele | so how i can install marillat ?? |
| 00:55.38 | AwesomeMachine | ok newbie, are you logging in as root to the xsession? |
| 00:55.40 | Guerin | Skrylar: no such device means 'you don't have this hardware' |
| 00:55.41 | newbie | ok... thanks |
| 00:55.53 | Guerin | pekkele: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 00:55.59 | ethics | Skrylar, are you sure thats the chipset you have? lspci brings it up as that? and lsmod doesnt have anything snd-XXX? |
| 00:56.07 | ick | why not close down debian and join ubuntu ? |
| 00:56.11 | deadcat | newbie: you mean thankz right? |
| 00:56.15 | newbie | yup im running root gui to the x session |
| 00:56.22 | Skrylar | ethics: As i said before, sound card doesn't show up on lspci because its isa |
| 00:56.26 | AwesomeMachine | newbie: debian does not allow x sessions for root automatically |
| 00:56.39 | AwesomeMachine | or gdm |
| 00:56.49 | ethics | Skrylar, um lsisa then? |
| 00:56.54 | Guerin | debian does |
| 00:56.55 | ethics | is there such a thing hehe |
| 00:56.58 | Skrylar | ethics: lspnp shows Crystal PnP audio system CODEC |
| 00:57.03 | Guerin | most DMs in debian don't |
| 00:57.08 | newbie | is'nt it safe? |
| 00:57.09 | crashbg | AwesomeMachine, if he don't use any *dm then he can login as root and type startx... |
| 00:57.11 | Skrylar | ethics: lspnp shows Crystal PnP audio control registers also |
| 00:57.17 | ick | why not close down debian and join ubuntu ? |
| 00:57.19 | AwesomeMachine | newbie: not safe |
| 00:57.19 | Guerin | newbie: no, it's not safe. |
| 00:57.21 | ethics | Skrylar, any models ? |
| 00:57.31 | Skrylar | ethics: nope thats all it says |
| 00:57.38 | ethics | Skrylar, kk sec |
| 00:57.40 | newbie | i put exit 0 on my *gdm |
| 00:57.42 | Guerin | ick: why not go fuck yourself with a claw hammer? |
| 00:57.49 | newbie | on the first line |
| 00:57.50 | Skrylar | ethics: on mandrake I just ran sndconfig and told it a Crystal card and sound worked |
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| 00:58.05 | ick | did i ofened any one ? |
| 00:58.08 | mtnman | guerin: be specific. he might use the "user-friendly" end. |
| 00:58.26 | crashbg | Skyblaze, run alsaconf maybe ? |
| 00:58.28 | Guerin | ick: Not me. You're just asking stupid questions. |
| 00:58.29 | deadcat | ick: yes |
| 00:58.35 | mtnman | ick: no, you just demonstrated ignorance. |
| 00:58.36 | Guerin | mtnman: true. |
| 00:58.41 | deadcat | oh.. my bad (= |
| 00:58.46 | ick | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.48 | BucWheat | praha1 you use qingy+splashy ? |
| 00:59.04 | Guerin | ick: because I believe a question that stupid deserves an offensive response. |
| 00:59.16 | newbie | thanks guys! |
| 00:59.43 | Skrylar | Guerin: I found being condesending makes your point go across faster lol |
| 00:59.55 | mtnman | ick: i hate to feed a troll, but where would ubuntu be without debian? |
| 00:59.58 | Guerin | Skrylar: i don't :) |
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| 01:00.31 | Guerin | ick: volunteering to come near me with a knife, kiddo? |
| 01:00.47 | WiFiTux | !stab Guerin |
| 01:00.49 | deadcat | !fight |
| 01:00.55 | NemesisBLK | lol |
| 01:00.58 | deadcat | stupid bot |
| 01:01.02 | Guerin | cafuego: that's not a knife... |
| 01:01.07 | cafuego | !stupid bot |
| 01:01.07 | dpkg | no, stupid cafuego |
| 01:01.16 | WiFiTux | lol |
| 01:01.19 | cafuego | Guerin: Ha, you noticed, huh? |
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| 01:01.43 | BucWheat | praha1 wake up i have some questions to ask you about qingy |
| 01:01.50 | BucWheat | and its capabilities |
| 01:01.52 | praha1 | BucWheat: i develop for splashy and just discovered quigy . I have just had the time to bookmark it :( |
| 01:01.52 | Guerin | cafuego: o==|=======> this is a knife! |
| 01:01.55 | deadcat | BucWheat: hahah |
| 01:02.10 | WiFiTux | Guerin, more of a sword |
| 01:02.29 | ethics | Skrylar, yeah proll on'y esd or something..........you are on a 2.6 kernel yeah |
| 01:02.33 | Guerin | WiFiTux: you clearly haven't seen the movie I'm referring to |
| 01:02.50 | deadcat | to make it easier. jsut tell the bastards who compile debian kernels to patch bootsplash and put bootsplash utils in debian (= |
| 01:02.56 | Skrylar | ethics: yea, default 2.6 that installed with sarge |
| 01:02.59 | praha1 | BucWheat: thoiugh its capabilites are rather obvious (maybe i have spend to much time dealing with terminal thing ) |
| 01:03.06 | Skrylar | ethics: sarge runs great except for this one issue |
| 01:03.08 | WiFiTux | Guerin, no, but if that is a knife, then most be some type of canival movie/ |
| 01:03.09 | ick | i didnt knew i had a thug army soporting me !? |
| 01:03.21 | deadcat | ick: shutup |
| 01:03.24 | cafuego | Guerin: Since the recent-ish arch-conservative government election victory country bumpkins aren't allowed into the city anymore. |
| 01:03.27 | ethics | Skrylar, well it looks like your doing everything right but im still reading docs for ya |
| 01:03.28 | mwilson | deadcat: Why? Then those of us who realize how stupid it is will just have to spend time ripping it out again. |
| 01:03.34 | Guerin | cafuego: eh? |
| 01:03.39 | cafuego | WiFiTux: "Crocodile Dundee" |
| 01:03.40 | deadcat | mwilson: hahah. |
| 01:03.44 | ick | deadcat: why should i shut up ? |
| 01:03.50 | WiFiTux | cafuego, haha now is ok. |
| 01:03.54 | deadcat | ick: it was a sugguestion. |
| 01:04.09 | ethics | Skrylar, did you try legacy isa and probing yeah...and it hung? |
| 01:04.09 | Guerin | ick: because you're worthless tard who adds nothing to this channel. |
| 01:04.09 | Tabitha | apt-get moo --configure_and_migrate_everything_so_i_can_go_to_bed |
| 01:04.11 | Skrylar | ethics: I've googled quite a lot of pages and I found the problem I have but they never fixed the guys problem |
| 01:04.11 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Guerin was referring to the fact I'm in Australia in a humorous fashion. |
| 01:04.30 | Skrylar | ethics: Yea it probe, it probed for a while and then came back with a blank dialog |
| 01:04.44 | ethics | Skrylar, yeah but it's a common card for lappys so it should have a working module just quirky |
| 01:04.45 | Guerin | cafuego: no more bare feet and rusted-out landcruisers on the main streets? |
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| 01:04.51 | praha1 | BucWheat: basically an X server is a terminal liek the other . qingy is a replacment for "getty" which is the thing wher you login and if you are allowed ives you a terminal . Only that qingy can start an X server instead of a terminal . It replaces getty nad gdm |
| 01:04.53 | ick | Guerin: at least im not adding insults to the channel yet ! |
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| 01:04.59 | WiFiTux | cafuego, ah |
| 01:05.04 | BucWheat | praha1 i currently have a .xsession script for user1 that exec opera in twm and an init.d script that su - c user1 and startx . could qingy help me not to use X11 just opera? |
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| 01:05.11 | Guerin | cafuego: I suppose you even have to wear shorts without rips in them! |
| 01:05.21 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 01:05.41 | deadcat | praha1: sounds nice. but they should really work on the themes and the fonts. |
| 01:05.50 | ethics | Skrylar, nope cant see anything specific thats stopping you 8( |
| 01:05.53 | apocaliptico | alguien de ustedes me puede dar una mano please ! |
| 01:05.54 | r3tr0 | Guerin: yeah, but i hear their bikes still go 'swoosh' when they pop a wheelie. |
| 01:06.01 | WiFiTux | apocaliptico, #debian-es |
| 01:06.12 | BucWheat | praha1 so it doesn't replace X11 i thought it would allow me to run opera in console or something heh |
| 01:06.13 | WiFiTux | !hand apocaliptico |
| 01:06.25 | apocaliptico | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.31 | apocaliptico | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.43 | apocaliptico | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.45 | WiFiTux | apocaliptico, habla en #debian-es o aqui en ingles. |
| 01:06.51 | apocaliptico | aaaaaa |
| 01:07.12 | deadcat | BucWheat: no. you cant run opera in console you still need X server. it just basically startx for you |
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| 01:07.28 | praha1 | BucWheat: no. the framebuffer replace X11 . But you need a binary of opera compile on directfb instead of X11 (that s not much work ... maybe the opera team would be willing to provide a test version or already have ) |
| 01:07.37 | sched | apocaliptico, andate en #debian-es sera mejor.. |
| 01:07.47 | apocaliptico | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.48 | jerware | does time exceeded on an ICMP message mean that the packet has been "wandering" the network beyond it's ttl ? |
| 01:07.48 | apocaliptico | ° |
| 01:07.52 | crashbg | can i play games with wine/winex through ssh? i have powerfull nvidia card on one pc and want to use it on my notebook |
| 01:08.05 | WiFiTux | ssh? |
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| 01:08.10 | furrywolf | wtf? |
| 01:08.11 | furrywolf | lol |
| 01:08.15 | praha1 | BucWheat: qingy is like gdm . gdm is a login manager but it runs on an X11 (in fact you could also compile gdm to directfb and have it be a clone of qingy |
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| 01:08.33 | r3tr0 | oh, my. |
| 01:08.35 | WiFiTux | crashbg, that is some crazy shit, what is it? |
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| 01:09.13 | crashbg | WiFiTux, what? |
| 01:09.30 | praha1 | deadcat: if someone would make a debian package maybe more users would use it (and make themes ,) |
| 01:09.30 | crashbg | i play WoW and HL2 with cedega(former winex) |
| 01:09.52 | WiFiTux | crashbg, play a game with ssh? like to ssh to someone else, then run the game from there and then change the video to your pc? |
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| 01:10.05 | deadcat | praha1: and better fonts (= |
| 01:10.20 | kev009 | can anyone help make sense of this: http://pastebin.com/291970 |
| 01:10.25 | crashbg | WiFiTux, no is not possible because the stream is very high |
| 01:10.35 | crashbg | start the game locally |
| 01:10.37 | BucWheat | praha1 k. i see now. thanks |
| 01:10.43 | pekkele | i have add to my sources.list this, Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main so how i can install marillat/mplayer ?? |
| 01:10.51 | WiFiTux | crashbg, what do you want with ssh then? |
| 01:10.57 | crashbg | and tunnel just the video calculation stuff to the other pc |
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| 01:11.14 | pekkele | NEED HELP!! |
| 01:11.17 | Dr-Linux | anybody familiar with Informix database? |
| 01:11.19 | crashbg | then return it back on my pc |
| 01:11.19 | deadcat | DONT PANIC! |
| 01:11.27 | WiFiTux | crashbg, well, video card has nothing to do there. Unless the nvidia card is where you see the game |
| 01:11.46 | WiFiTux | pekkele, what is it |
| 01:11.50 | crashbg | hm yea maybe, just wondering :) |
| 01:11.58 | WiFiTux | :) |
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| 01:12.18 | ick | Guerin: i havent seen you contribuiting to the channel often ?! |
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| 01:12.26 | pekkele | WiFiTuxneed to install marillat or mplayer |
| 01:12.33 | hoovernj | How do I unzip a .tar.gz file? |
| 01:12.39 | ick | is insulting your best contribuition |
| 01:12.40 | ick | ? |
| 01:12.42 | deadcat | pekkele: if you following the freakin instruction. you dont need help |
| 01:12.45 | kelan | hoovernj: tar -xzf filename |
| 01:12.47 | crashbg | tar xvfj |
| 01:12.47 | pekkele | hoover tar -zxvf |
| 01:12.49 | Guerin | !debstats |
| 01:12.49 | dpkg | it has been said that debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 01:12.57 | Guerin | ick: ⇧^^^ |
| 01:13.03 | crashbg | or j was bz2 :) |
| 01:13.08 | Lafitte- | anyone know if there is a package for ipw2100 yet ?? i need to get mine working |
| 01:13.08 | Skrylar | hoovnerj: tar -xzf <name> |
| 01:13.13 | Guerin | ick: now shut the fuck up. |
| 01:13.20 | WiFiTux | pekkele, add marillat into your /etc/apt/sources.list then apt-get update and then fetch mplayer |
| 01:13.27 | WiFiTux | Lafitte-, of course. |
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| 01:13.45 | deadcat | Lafitte-: testing and unstable |
| 01:13.57 | WiFiTux | ipw2100-source |
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| 01:14.01 | pekkele | WiFiTux dats allreay added, so i just need apt-get install mplayer?? |
| 01:14.04 | Lafitte- | deadcat, i cant find for testing in apt-cache |
| 01:14.19 | WiFiTux | pekkele, apt-get update then install it |
| 01:14.22 | deadcat | Lafitte-: non-free contrib? |
| 01:14.38 | ethics | pekkele, mplayer-386 w32codecs prolly the 2 you want......and prlly gmplayer if you want a gui |
| 01:14.46 | ick | debstats says you are the bigest floder all give you that |
| 01:14.47 | BucWheat | well opera doesn't have framebuffer support. anyone know of framebuffer web browser? |
| 01:14.54 | WiFiTux | Lafitte-, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 01:15.02 | deadcat | BucWheat: links2 ? |
| 01:15.21 | ick | dillo |
| 01:15.22 | mtnman | bucwheat: w3m |
| 01:15.22 | WiFiTux | BucWheat, maybe w3m |
| 01:15.26 | praha1 | BucWheat: http://www.directfb.org/ directfb in debian was frozen (it was part of base) for a year, though newer version are coming in experimental (and i hope xdirectfb and clanbomber) |
| 01:15.30 | ick | dillo = framebuffer |
| 01:15.39 | r3tr0 | BucWheat: elinks... mmm... tabs... |
| 01:15.47 | deadcat | what is framebuffer anyway? |
| 01:15.50 | BucWheat | i need it to show graphics |
| 01:16.09 | crashbg | BucWheat, then startx :) |
| 01:16.10 | ick | i dont know but i think is grafics on the cli |
| 01:16.16 | BucWheat | hehe |
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| 01:16.54 | praha1 | BucWheat: fb can show graphics (i use fbi to show pictures, mplayer to see video , ...) only that i know of no opera binary compiled for it yet (so you should ask them) |
| 01:16.57 | crashbg | i've played a lot with my sis agp vga to turn bootsplash on it but with no success |
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| 01:17.19 | WiFiTux | BucWheat, you can always even invent flasplayer and java plugin for the console. |
| 01:17.24 | deadcat | praha1: fbi rocks. you use mplayer with libcaca? |
| 01:17.46 | Dr-Linux | anybody familiar with Informix database? |
| 01:17.59 | praha1 | deadcat: with directfb or fbdev backend (libcaca is ascii is it ) |
| 01:18.10 | deadcat | praha1: ha. |
| 01:18.10 | BucWheat | hrmm... to bad there isn't a firefox fb binary |
| 01:18.37 | WiFiTux | Skrylar, you are not perfect then. |
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| 01:18.53 | Skrylar | WiFiTux: I never said I was perfect |
| 01:19.09 | WiFiTux | Skrylar, I never said you did. |
| 01:19.30 | Skrylar | WiFiTux: but Debian is really nice, good performance, easy to set up; if it wasn't for this one issue it would be great |
| 01:19.34 | ick | im a perfect moron just like Guerin |
| 01:19.44 | WiFiTux | Skrylar, which is? |
| 01:19.55 | WiFiTux | !frustrate ick |
| 01:19.56 | Skrylar | WiFiTux: Alsa is being retarted |
| 01:20.04 | ick | Guerin: i wanna be you once i grow up |
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| 01:20.19 | WiFiTux | hhmm dpkg... |
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| 01:20.32 | WiFiTux | Skrylar, which sound card? |
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| 01:20.40 | Skrylar | WiFiTux: I think what i'll look in to later is installing GCC on here (i have to anyway for my D development) and rolling a kernel |
| 01:20.44 | ethics | Skrylar, cs4232 isnt in lsmod is it? |
| 01:21.07 | Skrylar | WiFiTux: snd_cs4231_lib is |
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| 01:21.49 | Skrylar | But I don't even have a /dev/dsp like I'm supposed to |
| 01:22.22 | r3tr0 | Skrylar: what's the problem again? i just realized i have one of those cards in one of my boxes... |
| 01:22.43 | Skrylar | r3tr0: Sound is borking |
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| 01:22.55 | Skrylar | r3tr0: refuses to acknowledge the card's existance |
| 01:22.59 | r3tr0 | Skrylar: right... what's the kernel version? |
| 01:23.02 | WiFiTux | Skrylar, but why are you loading _lib? isn't the module snd_cs4231.ko? |
| 01:23.07 | Skrylar | 2.6.? |
| 01:23.09 | jim | cs4232? I used to have a card witht hat |
| 01:23.20 | Skrylar | yea, but when I load cs4232 it gets angry |
| 01:23.33 | Skrylar | even though that _is_ my card |
| 01:23.35 | r3tr0 | Skrylar: looks like i'm running ... 2.6.11.7 on that box... but i fudged it, i think... hold on... |
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| 01:23.53 | jim | that's a -old- chipset, at least 5 years or more |
| 01:23.55 | Skrylar | lemme run a full uname |
| 01:23.59 | WiFiTux | Skrylar, I'm assuming that you are in a new firmware? |
| 01:24.01 | Skrylar | my laptop is old |
| 01:24.17 | r3tr0 | Skyblaze: looks like i'm using OSS, the old drivers. |
| 01:24.20 | Skrylar | system is Linux Oiler 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:24.54 | jim | the sound chip might be pnp, but not pci |
| 01:24.54 | r3tr0 | Skrylar: you've tried that already? |
| 01:25.05 | Skrylar | r3tr0: Tried what? |
| 01:25.23 | jim | using the old oss drivers presumably |
| 01:25.28 | r3tr0 | Skrylar: using the old OSS drivers, instead of the ALSA stuff... |
| 01:25.38 | Skrylar | No |
| 01:25.50 | Skrylar | Will ESD/aRts/SDL still work with OSS? |
| 01:25.51 | jim | r3tr0: did you have to specify irqs and ports? |
| 01:25.56 | crashbg | has anyone tried GamesKnoppix? |
| 01:26.08 | crashbg | it's knoppix with ati and nvidia drivers and lots of demos |
| 01:26.31 | r3tr0 | Skrylar: no... it's OSS and then ... uhh... i think i turned on 'dsp emulation' somewhere... (scrabbling through /etc on that box) |
| 01:26.40 | jim | a dist based on a dist based on debian :) |
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| 01:27.09 | Skrylar | well OSS doesn't do me squat for good if my normal apps wont play sound |
| 01:27.09 | liable | Skrylar: look at this, you need to specify options for the module, http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?s=66c549f7341065f268c2f0317fbd24cb&showtopic=85125 |
| 01:27.19 | Skrylar | (well i guess i could rig JACK up to it) |
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| 01:27.32 | JeffATL | what is the difference between the floppy images in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc3/images/floppy/access/ and the ones in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc3/images/floppy/? |
| 01:27.39 | r3tr0 | Skrylar: i'm not running any sound daemons... |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | WiFiTux: didn't i tell you last week there isn't ? |
| 01:28.19 | WiFiTux | abrotman, last thing I loose is hope. |
| 01:28.20 | jim | JeffATL: so the difference is access |
| 01:28.29 | praha1 | Skrylar: have you used alsaconf then choose legacy and proceed ? |
| 01:28.36 | Skrylar | i need the sound daemons so i can hear things like the pings from gaim |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | JeffATL: ask #debian-boot |
| 01:28.41 | jim | is there a readme nearby? |
| 01:28.48 | myren | any suggestions for good serial terminal programs? |
| 01:28.51 | abrotman | or read the install guide for sarge |
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| 01:28.54 | praha1 | Skrylar: isa cards are tricky to configure by hand (you need the irq of the card for example) |
| 01:28.57 | myren | i'd like CTS/RTS status & what no |
| 01:28.58 | JeffATL | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:28.58 | Skrylar | prahal: yea when it says it cant find anything and it asks if i want to probe old hardware |
| 01:29.03 | JeffATL | jim: no thanks |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | myren: kermit or minicom |
| 01:29.11 | praha1 | Skrylar: and ? |
| 01:29.21 | pulaski | hello |
| 01:29.25 | praha1 | isa is old hardware obviously (legacy) |
| 01:29.45 | Skrylar | oh yea.. and i tell it to scan every possible settings |
| 01:29.56 | Skrylar | and after doing something it shows me a blank dialog box |
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| 01:30.57 | praha1 | Skrylar: then it failed to find the card via the isapnp tools (do you have isapnptools installed ?) |
| 01:31.12 | Skrylar | prahal: yes they're installed |
| 01:31.19 | myren | is there any way to monitor the status lines on the serial port while another program is using it? |
| 01:31.20 | Skrylar | prahal: didn't appear to find anything |
| 01:31.45 | nunez | whats a good program that will download multiple files from usenet and put them back together? |
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| 01:33.50 | myren | how do i view the status lines for my serial port in minicom? |
| 01:33.54 | myren | not seeing anything useful |
| 01:33.55 | pulaski | I'm considering downloading and running sarge sometime after tomorrow. My intention is to replace woody with sarge. Though frozen now does anyone know when it is forecast to become stable? |
| 01:34.36 | Xinux | i can't remember the name of my firewall |
| 01:34.38 | Xinux | crap |
| 01:34.39 | Skrylar | parahal: I re-ran the scan. Still came up with nothing |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | pulaski: broadband ? |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | !tell pulaski about wwsr |
| 01:34.59 | r3tr0 | Xinux: Mr. Blocky? |
| 01:35.05 | Xinux | no |
| 01:35.17 | Xinux | and its not Guarddog, i removed that |
| 01:35.17 | myren | i want developer tools for a serial port, not a crappy serial terminal. |
| 01:35.20 | Xinux | and installed another one |
| 01:35.28 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 01:35.30 | Xinux | is there any way in Konsole of finding out? |
| 01:35.31 | abrotman | look at the list |
| 01:35.33 | pulaski | yes but not from my box, I'll go down the street and use a mac OS10/bittorrent. |
| 01:35.34 | r3tr0 | Xinux: King Of The Underpants? |
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| 01:35.41 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 01:35.55 | Xinux | no |
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| 01:36.18 | commodude28 | What runlevel should the /etc/inittab read I changed it to 3 cause well to install the nvidia driver setting it in other distros is necessary |
| 01:36.25 | commodude28 | I wanna change it back |
| 01:36.27 | r3tr0 | Xinux: well, if it's not those, then it's probably not really doing any /real/ firewalling |
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| 01:37.00 | liable | Skrylar: did you look at that link? you have to specify a shitload of paramaters to the module |
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| 01:37.08 | tjs | trying to add debconf to a package im building, Im using dh_installdebconf from my rules file, its building the postrm script but not finding my config / base.templates files or creating package.config or package.templates |
| 01:37.09 | r3tr0 | Xinux: at least, that's what the HOWTO i read said... |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | r3tr0: what the hell are you babbling about ? |
| 01:37.13 | tjs | any ideas? |
| 01:37.20 | Skrylar | liable: i have the link up right now |
| 01:37.22 | abrotman | commodude28: you screwed up |
| 01:37.25 | Xinux | r3tr0 well until i find my firewall name |
| 01:37.26 | Nirkus | hi! is there a config file where i can get my make-kpkg to use -march=pentium4 -msse2 -mfpmath=sse or will this be done automatically if i configure my source for my cpu? |
| 01:37.28 | Xinux | i can't install a new one |
| 01:37.32 | commodude28 | I know that now |
| 01:37.35 | Skrylar | but im working on this comp and another one at the same time; so i may not respond too fast |
| 01:37.41 | abrotman | commodude28: change it back to 2 |
| 01:37.47 | commodude28 | Thanks |
| 01:37.56 | caphuso | Nirkus: it will be done automatically |
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| 01:38.35 | Xinux | Finishes his drink of nail polish. |
| 01:38.47 | sukriN | (sorry, got disconnected) hi! is there a config file where i can get my make-kpkg to use -march=pentium4 -msse2 -mfpmath=sse or will this be done automatically if i configure my source for my cpu? |
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| 01:39.05 | pulaski | abrotman, thanks for responding. This will be a first for me. I'm assuming there'll be an iso image available so I can burn a cd, bring it home and install. Is that how it works? |
| 01:39.05 | liable | hmmm, MEK |
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| 01:39.10 | abrotman | sukriN: did you read the man page ? |
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| 01:39.21 | abrotman | pulaski: no broadband at home ? |
| 01:39.30 | sukriN | abrotman man make-kpkg? |
| 01:39.31 | karsten | Is there a floppy image somewhere for booting recalictant (but supposedly bootable) CDs? |
| 01:39.54 | abrotman | sukriN: try it . let me know |
| 01:39.58 | pulaski | no I'm on a budget but it is available at a public mac OS10 terminal down the street. |
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| 01:40.16 | abrotman | pulaski: sarge is 15CDs last i looked |
| 01:40.41 | sukriN | abrotman i read man kernel-pkg.conf, but im not sure if this config file is the place to manipulate this compiler switches |
| 01:40.51 | doublehp | whats thu env variable to add usre library to the path ? LD_PATH does not do it :/ |
| 01:41.04 | Skrylar | pulaski: you can also do netinst which is pretty cool |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | sukriN: the man page is no help ? |
| 01:41.40 | pulaski | thank you abrotman. That's helpful. Where did you look to find out that info? |
| 01:41.53 | abrotman | pulaski: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ iirc |
| 01:41.58 | r3tr0 | karsten: tomsrtbt? |
| 01:42.13 | sukriN | the manpage says, i can place any Makefile-configuration in there, but im not sure if it makes sence to place the switches for my processor in there |
| 01:42.15 | Skrylar | er pardon me i didn't read above |
| 01:42.18 | BucWheat | should i compile USB support into kernel or as module. there is tons of usb garb listed at bootup and i'm trying to make bootup faster |
| 01:42.24 | sukriN | cause i configure the kernel-sources itself |
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| 01:42.53 | sukriN | ..but i cannot find 'pentium4' or 'sse2' in /usr/src/linux/Makefile ;-) |
| 01:42.55 | praha1 | Skrylar: does insmod snd-cs4236 irq=5 works (and irq=7 too) |
| 01:42.58 | karsten | r3tr0: No, it's a floppy that lets the BIOS boot an arbitrary CD, I think. |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | karsten: you sohuld use bootable CDs |
| 01:43.17 | Skrylar | prahal: insmod or modprobe? |
| 01:43.21 | karsten | r3tr0: IIRC LNX-BBC or RH used to ship with that. |
| 01:43.34 | karsten | abrotman: qemu won't boot a particular CD here, and I won't mention what's on it.... |
| 01:43.39 | praha1 | sorry you can use " modprobe snd-cs4237 irq=5" |
| 01:43.52 | abrotman | karsten: you have bootable pr0n? |
| 01:43.54 | Skrylar | FATAL: Module snd_cs4237 not found. |
| 01:44.03 | karsten | abrotman: Worse than that. |
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| 01:44.25 | r3tr0 | bootable ASCII pr0n. |
| 01:45.10 | glitch_master | X won't start. I'm getting things like "skipping /X11/blah/blah... : no symbols found" |
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| 01:45.16 | Lanz | Hey guys, how do I make pppoe start on boot? |
| 01:45.26 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.57 | pulaski | Thanks abrotman. Skyrlar I'm unfamiliar with netinst. Without a broadband connection of my own is it still possible? |
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| 01:46.21 | Skrylar | pulaski: You need an internet connection. period. |
| 01:46.21 | praha1 | Skrylar: can you paste cat /proc/interrups , lspci -vvv, pnpdump , cat /proc/ioports to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:46.23 | BucWheat | when i use software raid during debian-installer does it add anything to kernel? |
| 01:46.29 | doublehp | whats the env variable to add user library to the path ? LD_PATH does not do it :/ |
| 01:46.43 | Skrylar | pulaski: as long as its hooked up to the net you can, but over dialup it would be painful |
| 01:46.52 | Skrylar | prahal: sure just a minute |
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| 01:47.04 | abrotman | pulaski: it would be slow .. very very slow |
| 01:47.05 | glitch_master | li'l help here? I'm kind of on irssi and don't want to be. |
| 01:47.22 | abrotman | pulaski: you could also upgrade woody to sarge over dialup |
| 01:47.23 | Skrylar | glitch_master: Does X work? |
| 01:47.32 | praha1 | Skyblaze: for an driver to find an ise card it needs to know the "io"port and irq .. If linux tool can not find them you should have them at boot while the bios show the pc details press "pause" or "scroll" button |
| 01:47.44 | nforbes | How do you reinstall a package using apt? |
| 01:47.46 | mtnman | lanz: i don't run pppoe, but i noticed a file called ppp_on_boot.dsl |
| 01:47.47 | Skrylar | oh wait |
| 01:47.57 | glitch_master | Skrylar: No. That's the problem. |
| 01:48.03 | mtnman | nforbes: man apt-get would tell you "apt-get --reinstall install foopkg" |
| 01:48.14 | pulaski | well I have dialup but i want to avoid pain. Thats why I want to grab the ISO from a broadband connection using bittorrent |
| 01:48.23 | nforbes | mtnman, I'm looking through there, maybe I just missed that |
| 01:48.24 | r3tr0 | but what if i want to reinstall barpkg? |
| 01:48.25 | nforbes | mtnman, Thanks :D |
| 01:48.34 | Skrylar | pulaski: You can do that too. |
| 01:48.41 | mtnman | nforbes: you're welcome, but next time use the manpages. |
| 01:48.52 | Lanz | It says use standard etc/network/interfaces method, I don't know exactly what it says cause it doesn't show up in dmesg. |
| 01:48.59 | Lanz | Pppoe wont start on boot. |
| 01:49.08 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.19 | mtnman | lanz: man interfaces? |
| 01:49.37 | pulaski | Thanks Skrylar. 15 cds seems like alot. using bittorent and a T1 could you estimate the time required? |
| 01:50.11 | liable | Lanz: do you have the auto stanza in interfaces? |
| 01:50.18 | WiFiTux | pulaski, well is 15 cds you should know. |
| 01:50.22 | mtnman | pulaski: rather than isos, you could do an "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" and check which packages you actually need. download those to cdrom... |
| 01:50.25 | nforbes | I completely screwed my install over trying to force install my home-rolled Xorg package |
| 01:50.29 | nforbes | hehe |
| 01:50.29 | liable | pulaski: why do you want all 15? |
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| 01:50.32 | abrotman | pulaski: do the math .. that's what .. 180kbps or so ? .. 15 * 650MB .. |
| 01:50.37 | silverton | http://www.numion.com/Calculators/Time.html |
| 01:50.50 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.05 | glitch_master | GAH.. Tell me there's a way to scroll back. I feel pressured to not look away. I can scroll the said lines in irssi, right? |
| 01:51.19 | abrotman | !irc primer |
| 01:51.19 | dpkg | irc primer is, like, http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html |
| 01:51.26 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.34 | abrotman | glitch_master: and in irssi .. try pgup |
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| 01:51.40 | abrotman | or ctrl-pgup .. whatever it is |
| 01:51.42 | silverton | about 23 hours |
| 01:51.44 | pulaski | Well like I said this will be a first for me. When I got woody it was 7 cds. |
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| 01:51.50 | glitch_master | abrotman: That just gives me a ~ |
| 01:51.57 | abrotman | pulaski: upgrading woody->sarge over a modem isn't an option |
| 01:51.58 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:51.58 | silverton | pulaski, dude, just do the sarge netinst |
| 01:52.08 | abrotman | glitch_master: then read the irssi manual |
| 01:52.18 | liable | pulaski: the first two are usually adequate |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | silverton: he can't |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | silverton: he's on dialup |
| 01:52.31 | Lanz | Heres my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/291998 |
| 01:52.35 | praha1 | Skrylar: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.hardware/browse_frm/thread/763b8ba21163ac9f/b3b35b69b76f2ca5?q=crystal+audio+CS4237B+isa&rnum=5&hl=en#b3b35b69b76f2ca5 |
| 01:52.35 | glitch_master | ^n and ^p work. |
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| 01:52.41 | silverton | abrotman, what's wrong with a netinst on dial-up ? |
| 01:52.47 | abrotman | silverton: have you tried it ? |
| 01:52.55 | silverton | abrotman, probably over ICS.. >.< |
| 01:53.00 | glitch_master | Anyway, who will help me with my X problem? I NEED X TO LIVE. |
| 01:53.06 | abrotman | tard |
| 01:53.10 | glitch_master | I can't view pr0n in text mode. :P |
| 01:53.15 | silverton | glitch_master, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:53.15 | mtnman | apt tell glitch_master about ask |
| 01:53.19 | pipeline | sure you can |
| 01:53.19 | pipeline | links2 + svgalib |
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| 01:53.26 | silverton | ascii pr0n! |
| 01:53.27 | r3tr0 | aview! |
| 01:53.28 | pipeline | There are a lot of svgalib image viewers |
| 01:53.30 | pipeline | for that exact purpose |
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| 01:53.40 | abrotman | erm .. it's sunday isn't it |
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| 01:54.08 | liable | Lanz: ok, you need to get the exact errors at boot |
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| 01:55.16 | Skrylar | prahal: http://channels.debian.net/paste/171 |
| 01:55.38 | Lanz | How do I see ther error? |
| 01:56.03 | r3tr0 | Lanz: dmesg, or alternately, scroll lock... |
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| 01:57.02 | liable | Lanz: or in syslog/messages |
| 01:57.27 | Lanz | Ok. |
| 01:57.30 | dh2 | Is it possible to use Crack with shadow passwords? |
| 01:57.40 | r3tr0 | crack is for any time! |
| 01:58.11 | praha1 | Skrylar: well as i dicovered (and you already told) this card is weird and is not detectd (even by windows ! http://groups-beta.google.com/group/muc.lists.netbsd.port.i386/browse_frm/thread/e6e017ef8cb21369/866708d009182c07?q=crystal+audio+CS4237B+isa&rnum=6&hl=en#866708d009182c07 ) |
| 01:58.52 | abrotman | dh2: the documentation doesn't say ? |
| 01:58.52 | meppl | gute nacht |
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| 01:59.08 | Lanz | Heres the relevant part of syslog http://pastebin.com/291999 |
| 01:59.09 | glitch_master | Erm... sorry. I kind of temporarily broke. |
| 01:59.09 | abrotman | !german |
| 01:59.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 01:59.11 | Skrylar | prahal: Odd, Win2k found it fine |
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| 01:59.21 | pulaski | Thanks you guys. I'm unsure of what I'll need so I was just planning on grabbing the whole shebang -i just checked 15 cds is about right - |
| 01:59.28 | dh2 | abrotman: well, it says to use one of the shadowmrg.* scripts, but that didn't work either |
| 01:59.29 | liable | Skrylar: have you pocked around in bios? |
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| 01:59.51 | abrotman | dh2: guess you'll have to google or ask the maintainer |
| 01:59.51 | Skrylar | liable: No |
| 02:00.01 | praha1 | Skrylar: though the previous link i gave you tell how to set it up by hand. And disabling pnp os in the bios could helps too (though it looks like the pc freeze when youload the driver with some of the crystal chip , then reanable it at next boot) |
| 02:00.02 | Skrylar | liable: I'll check out some of the material prahal sent |
| 02:00.14 | liable | Skrylar: worth a look |
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| 02:00.34 | dh2 | I did a lot of google-ing, guess I'll email the maintiainer, thanks |
| 02:00.49 | glitch_master | Alright... who told me to dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 02:00.53 | ethics | abrotman, silverton , netinst on dialup is fine as long as you dont do tasksel etc....if you manuall do apt-get kde etc you can grab the filenames download them on broadband then drop them into /var/cache/apt/archives and it works like a charm....pain in the ass but definately workable |
| 02:01.17 | glitch_master | That gave me "dpkg: need an action option" |
| 02:01.26 | silverton | dude, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:01.32 | silverton | you forgot the dash ;P |
| 02:01.35 | ethics | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:01.43 | glitch_master | Oh. Silly me. |
| 02:01.54 | ethics | !doyoda |
| 02:01.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, doyoda is do what people have said you must, strong are they with debian. |
| 02:01.55 | silverton | ethics, I already do skip past all that, I go straight to the prompt and apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:02.00 | abrotman | ethics: that's nice .. but he may not be prepared for the length of time |
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| 02:02.20 | abrotman | ethics: which seemed to be one of his concerns |
| 02:02.34 | doublehp | my program does heavy mathematic computations; it also measure the numer of computation per unit of time. each loop does exactly the same job. An instance can do n loops. In the same instance, all loops take the same amount of time, what is resonable. BUT from an instance to an other, the 'speed' can vary from 175 to 550. Within an instance, the variation is about 3 or 4 units (due to load, scheduling ... and so on), but I really can not unders |
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| 02:02.59 | doublehp | single CPU |
| 02:03.06 | ethics | abrotman, yeah not saying it's userfriendsly just letting you know there are ways and means etc...if he wants to download 15 cds tho its his bandwidth 8) |
| 02:03.24 | abrotman | ethics: i'm fully aware it's possible .. i already knew this |
| 02:03.29 | abrotman | doublehp: what ? |
| 02:03.32 | Skrylar | jigdo is another option and it is what i used |
| 02:03.33 | ethics | abrotman, coll cool 8) |
| 02:03.35 | abrotman | silverton: 3 DVDs is better ? |
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| 02:03.44 | silverton | abrotman, don't have a DVD burner |
| 02:03.57 | silverton | and, with the cost of media, cd-r's would be more efficient |
| 02:04.16 | abrotman | oh . it's still 2 DVDs .. yay |
| 02:04.16 | doublehp | abrotman: why does the same program on the same machine run a different speed ? |
| 02:04.16 | Skrylar | and a compact disc is way more portable |
| 02:04.22 | Skrylar | theres still a lot of computers without DVD support |
| 02:04.30 | silverton | Skrylar, werd |
| 02:04.36 | Lanz | Ok I found the error it gives when I boot, http://pastebin.com/292001 |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | doublehp: other things going on |
| 02:04.58 | abrotman | Skrylar: sarge installs with 3 floppies also .. |
| 02:05.02 | doublehp | abrotman: no ... |
| 02:05.05 | ethics | doublehp, well think about that...if you only run 1 thing it runs full speed if you run 2 then is shares and both slowdown a tince |
| 02:05.57 | doublehp | abrotman: ethics I said than within the same idnstance it does not vary of more than 3 units ... but if I break/restart the prog, it will run a different speed |
| 02:06.11 | doublehp | s/than/that |
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| 02:08.22 | praha1 | Skrylar: it looks like "lspnp -v" gives all parameters needed (i just found it as it was in pcmcia-cs which i had removed years ago :P ) |
| 02:08.25 | Lanz | Be right back. |
| 02:08.25 | doublehp | abrotman: my desktop runs it with speding variating from 700 to 1300 (high values = slower execution ) within a cession due to X and e17 ... but the server I am telling about has no daemon ... and no variation within the same cession ... |
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| 02:08.54 | abrotman | doublehp: is it really that much of a problem ? |
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| 02:09.50 | doublehp | abrotman: I dont know ... it might become ... at the moment, I (as developper) breaks it when it is slow, but I need to find the reason soon ... cause I cant accept speed variation of 1 to 2.5 !!!! thats too much |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | doublehp: try doing tests on a dedicated machine ... with a bare install |
| 02:10.25 | doublehp | bare ??? |
| 02:10.34 | abrotman | base |
| 02:10.57 | glitch_master | Alrighty. Reconfigured X. Here goes. |
| 02:11.51 | glitch_master | It fails. I think this is a GNOME issue. |
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| 02:12.12 | abrotman | so read the error logs |
| 02:12.16 | glitch_master | all your bare |
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| 02:12.33 | glitch_master | Anyway, I forgot where said logs were located... |
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| 02:13.24 | jetscreamer | what is the correct nomenclature for 'browser identification string' i keep forgetting |
| 02:13.34 | abrotman | sounds right to me :) |
| 02:13.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: or ask #web |
| 02:13.58 | jetscreamer | you know that thing in the browser that gets sent |
| 02:13.58 | ethics | glitch_master, /var/log prolly... look for EE for the errors |
| 02:14.07 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i know what you mean |
| 02:14.19 | jetscreamer | i can't find it in about:config |
| 02:14.35 | abrotman | in what browser ? |
| 02:14.48 | toresbe | jetscreamer: is that really in about:config? |
| 02:14.57 | toresbe | jetscreamer: anyway, why spoof the browser id? |
| 02:15.00 | DasFunder | hi all...i have a question as a linux newbie...probably simple for you guys...but i've been looking all over and can't find it. |
| 02:15.08 | nforbes | hm |
| 02:15.08 | doublehp | abrotman: the dedicated server I am using has been build by a friend. If there are several memory stick, could my bug be due to different response time of sticks ? grrr even that would look weird :/ cause I do a lot of mallocs/free ... |
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| 02:15.12 | ethics | DasFunder, ask away |
| 02:15.13 | toresbe | DasFunder: checked under the bed? |
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| 02:15.24 | DasFunder | i tried to run linx in my fresh Debian install but can't get any text browser...i also tried wget and it doesn't work. |
| 02:15.33 | DasFunder | lol |
| 02:15.33 | abrotman | doublehp: i think you're overanalyzing it .. what programming language |
| 02:15.44 | doublehp | abrotman: C |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | doublehp: maybe ask #c ? |
| 02:15.57 | nforbes | I've been reading through the apt-get manpage, and I see that apt-get can install based on a regex... is it possible to apply this regex to only a particular tree? |
| 02:15.59 | doublehp | abrotman: no answer |
| 02:16.08 | ethics | DasFunder you prolly need to install them......apt-get/apt-cache are your friends |
| 02:16.10 | nforbes | Like, if I just wanted to match something in x11/main |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | doublehp: they might be .. gasp .. sleeping |
| 02:16.20 | jetscreamer | toresbe: not sure if it's really there, but i want to know so i can cut&paste it so i can bitch at my isp's "package configurator" that claims to support mozilla and firefox.. what they don't mention is that it doesn't work under linux in these browsers.. i apt-get ff and blegh |
| 02:16.51 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ah .. my IRA company does the same thing |
| 02:16.57 | DasFunder | if i want to download a file to my install, http://www.domain.com/filename.ooo , what command is used please? |
| 02:17.22 | jetscreamer | wget -c DasFunder |
| 02:17.22 | cef | been thru the bts, but is there any issues with libc6 in sarge? there seems to be a bug entry, but it's a little vague |
| 02:17.43 | pulaski | abrotman: like I said this will be a first for me, moving from stable woody to testing sarge. |
| 02:17.45 | DasFunder | ok thanks, will try it now. appreciate your time jetscreamer |
| 02:17.46 | ethics | DasFunder: well if its an application you prolly want to use Apt-get....but if you just want to download it the wget should work...it should be installed |
| 02:17.50 | jetscreamer | wget -c http://blah.blee.org/file.blah |
| 02:17.57 | abrotman | pulaski: you can upgrade woody to sarge right over the modme |
| 02:17.59 | abrotman | err modem |
| 02:18.02 | DasFunder | ok, i didn't use the -c when i tried it. |
| 02:18.07 | DasFunder | thnx again |
| 02:18.15 | jetscreamer | DasFunder: wget -cr to recursively d/l files & directories |
| 02:18.50 | jetscreamer | DasFunder: the -c is for resume... it should function w/o the -c, but if you had something it would overwrite it if you didn't |
| 02:18.58 | pulaski | I'd be interested in that. "apt-get install sarge"? |
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| 02:19.11 | jetscreamer | !woody->sarge |
| 02:19.21 | jetscreamer | @woody->sarge |
| 02:19.25 | ethics | hehe was about to fire that jetscreamer hehe |
| 02:19.31 | DasFunder | i get wget not found. :-( |
| 02:19.31 | jetscreamer | damn bots :/ |
| 02:19.37 | jetscreamer | apt-get install wget |
| 02:19.39 | ethics | DasFunder, as root? |
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| 02:19.43 | Skrylar | apt-get install wget :) |
| 02:19.46 | DasFunder | ok thnx...yea as root. |
| 02:20.00 | jetscreamer | install it as root that is |
| 02:20.03 | ethics | DasFunder, is that a new install? |
| 02:20.14 | DasFunder | ok it's installing. |
| 02:20.26 | DasFunder | yea fresh install...thought it would have been installed but maybe not. |
| 02:20.31 | glitch_master | No errors in syslog. |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | !tell pulaski about woody->sarge |
| 02:21.09 | DasFunder | kewl, i can use apt-get install for lynx also. |
| 02:21.12 | ethics | DasFunder: what Distro...? sarge or woody? and was it the netinst? |
| 02:21.15 | DasFunder | sweet thanks for showing me that. |
| 02:21.26 | gilber | hello, what is the problem between mplayer and debian |
| 02:21.31 | DasFunder | i downloaded the DVD installer..lemme check. I know i installed it with kernel 2.4 |
| 02:21.36 | Skrylar | gilber: licensing |
| 02:21.36 | ethics | out of curiosity ....doesnt apt-get use wget? |
| 02:21.47 | gilber | i try apt-cache search mplayer |
| 02:21.54 | DasFunder | dude i got lynx installed...thnx a bunch! |
| 02:21.56 | gilber | but, no results |
| 02:22.02 | jetscreamer | i took the about box off the 'stupid modal window' i had it set on and i can cut&paste from that |
| 02:22.05 | DasFunder | that apt-get install works great. |
| 02:22.05 | Skrylar | gilber: mplayer has some nasty stuff in there that puts it on the very edge of being legal |
| 02:22.21 | DasFunder | how do i check the version i have? sorry for all the questions just very new to this |
| 02:22.21 | Skrylar | like being able to decode the "great and wonderful wmv" in to something like avi |
| 02:22.32 | streuner | gilber: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 02:22.59 | glitch_master | Wow... I really need to read mplayer's man file. :P |
| 02:23.07 | jetscreamer | Thank you! |
| 02:23.07 | jetscreamer | Your message is on its way to us. |
| 02:23.09 | ethics | Skrylar, umm it's not legal at all is it?...i know w32codecs isnt open |
| 02:23.14 | jetscreamer | hah like they'll fix it |
| 02:23.19 | pulaski | thanks abrotman. I'll review the sarge releas notes. |
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| 02:23.24 | Skrylar | ethics: well... w32codecs is more of an addon pack |
| 02:23.24 | jetscreamer | mplayer is on marillat |
| 02:23.30 | jetscreamer | so is that |
| 02:23.30 | abrotman | pulaski: good ... |
| 02:23.31 | glitch_master | abrotman: No errors. |
| 02:23.33 | gilber | ok, then exists risk if i use a repository unnoficial |
| 02:23.43 | Skrylar | ethics: mplayer still runs better than Xine from my experience |
| 02:23.44 | jetscreamer | gilber: everybody uses marillat |
| 02:24.10 | gilber | ok, i will test marillat |
| 02:24.13 | gilber | thanx |
| 02:24.13 | ethics | Skrylar: shrug on p4-3.8Ghz everything runs smooth hehe |
| 02:24.15 | jetscreamer | Skrylar: xine-ui > xine-* |
| 02:24.30 | DasFunder | thnx again for your help, it's really appreciated. |
| 02:24.35 | jetscreamer | np |
| 02:24.38 | Skrylar | jetscreamer: your point is? |
| 02:24.43 | jetscreamer | 2bofuvyouse |
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| 02:24.53 | streuner | gilber: well, there are some other player as well in debian, xine, vlc |
| 02:25.00 | Skrylar | i use VLC on windows |
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| 02:25.13 | Skrylar | i set totem to use gstreamer in hopes it supports lots of stuff |
| 02:25.14 | Skrylar | like wmv |
| 02:25.17 | jetscreamer | Skrylar: that while mplayer may be better than most xine based apps, it's not 'better' than xine-ui |
| 02:25.26 | jetscreamer | totem-xine or totem-gstreamer |
| 02:25.33 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 02:25.36 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 02:25.36 | Skrylar | totem-gstreamer |
| 02:25.56 | Skrylar | i hope it plays wmv since thats almost 70% of the videos on the web |
| 02:26.07 | jetscreamer | i don't think it will, not sure |
| 02:26.08 | Skrylar | excluding swf |
| 02:26.20 | jetscreamer | vlc should |
| 02:26.23 | gilber | ok, |
| 02:26.37 | jetscreamer | apt-get update gilber |
| 02:26.51 | gilber | he he, |
| 02:27.06 | gilber | sorry i'm new in debian |
| 02:27.10 | ethics | no pkgname found please use apt-cache search gilber alternatives |
| 02:27.23 | jetscreamer | i knew that was coming |
| 02:27.27 | ethics | hehe |
| 02:27.34 | praha1 | Skrylar: gstreamer does not support wmv (it needs a plugin which is in the new queue ) use xine backend if you want all the formats |
| 02:27.37 | glitch_master | totem-xine. the gstreamer totem thing only plays audio and gives a visualization, from what I've experienced with it. |
| 02:27.47 | glitch_master | It tried it out today. Couldn't get video. |
| 02:28.30 | jetscreamer | glitch_master: i found that xine-ui seems to play more stuff, iirc |
| 02:28.34 | jetscreamer | no idea why |
| 02:28.36 | praha1 | for web content mozilla-mplayer does well with wmv |
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| 02:28.41 | Skrylar | odd.. i already have totem-xine |
| 02:28.42 | Skrylar | lol |
| 02:28.49 | Skrylar | even though during setup i said totem streamer |
| 02:29.01 | doublehp | abrotman: still around ? |
| 02:29.03 | gilber | totem is better in gnome? |
| 02:29.14 | Enrique | hello does anyonde know what the ppc channel is? |
| 02:29.17 | jetscreamer | not that i can tell gilber |
| 02:29.19 | Skrylar | totem fits in the gnome desktop better than xine-ui |
| 02:29.21 | jetscreamer | #debian-ppc |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | doublehp: i am .. sort of |
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| 02:29.43 | gilber | i actually use icewm |
| 02:29.48 | jetscreamer | me too |
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| 02:30.03 | Skrylar | i used windowmaker for a while |
| 02:30.05 | jetscreamer | you're not in #icewm though |
| 02:30.07 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 02:30.10 | hikenboot | question_ anyone know of an installed alternative to tar in debian? |
| 02:30.26 | Skrylar | i usually have windowmaker or fluxbox around in case i need to screw around with X and dont want to wait for KDE or Gnome to boot up |
| 02:30.32 | doublehp | abrotman: the problem is inside the backpropagation of a neural network: triple for loop with large multiplications and memory access ... |
| 02:30.34 | Enrique | deb |
| 02:30.37 | abrotman | hikenboot: for what purpose ? |
| 02:30.50 | abrotman | doublehp: sounds like your problem .. not debian's :) |
| 02:30.52 | hikenboot | both my dpkg and tar are both corrupt |
| 02:31.01 | jetscreamer | user agent dammit, why couldn't anybody say that |
| 02:31.02 | Enrique | mm... |
| 02:31.13 | Enrique | why corrupted? |
| 02:31.15 | doublehp | abrotman: but maybe debian users can help ... |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | hikenboot: how so? |
| 02:31.41 | Enrique | try rpm |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | dumbass |
| 02:31.52 | glitch_master | Hmm.. |
| 02:31.58 | glitch_master | So... my gnome problem... any thoughts? |
| 02:32.01 | doublehp | abrotman: it REALLY looks to be a RAM problem ... |
| 02:32.07 | Skrylar | freakin storms |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | doublehp: swap it out |
| 02:32.10 | abrotman | glitch_master: read the logs |
| 02:32.10 | Enrique | youre not runing debian are you? |
| 02:32.10 | glitch_master | GNOME/X issue. |
| 02:32.15 | gilber | thanks for the tips, i will return (sorry for my bad english) bye |
| 02:32.15 | Skrylar | it starts raining so i have to run downstairs |
| 02:32.16 | ethics | glitch_master, sorry what was the gnomer issue? |
| 02:32.19 | glitch_master | abrotman: I told you, the logs contain no errors. |
| 02:32.24 | hikenboot | rebooted it ran a checkdisk and found errors |
| 02:32.30 | Skrylar | oh wait nevermind then oh wait it's storming again >:( |
| 02:32.32 | hikenboot | then neither would work |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | hikenboot: so they don't work ? .. is hte drive failing ? |
| 02:32.48 | abrotman | glitch_master: i don't recall that .. but whatever .. anyways .. |
| 02:32.53 | abrotman | glitch_master: which logs did you check ? |
| 02:32.58 | Enrique | what seem to be your problem? |
| 02:33.03 | doublehp | abrotman: swap used by system : 0Mo ... Mem used by my program: 0.2% ... |
| 02:33.21 | pulaski | thanks you guys, abrotman and Skrylar |
| 02:33.23 | avcibr | does anyone know which client programs/tools I need to connect to vpn using certificate authentication? |
| 02:33.26 | pulaski | I may be back |
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| 02:33.30 | abrotman | pulaski: no problem :) |
| 02:33.34 | pulaski | cya |
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| 02:33.46 | abrotman | doublehp: and ? |
| 02:33.55 | jdhutchin1 | avcibr, openvpn? |
| 02:34.10 | hikenboot | dont know could be a cheap hard drive |
| 02:34.20 | abrotman | back up your data ... |
| 02:34.32 | avcibr | jdhtchin1, that's the tool? or a question? |
| 02:34.34 | hikenboot | tried uninstalling tar and reinstalling with dpkg thats when i found that neither would work |
| 02:34.38 | Jarrette | i just updated my kernel to version 2.6.8-686 on my second attempt the majority of things are working, but when i try to startx it gives me errors saying the /dev/psaux device doesn't exist, i checked and it is infact right where it should be... does anyone have any idea as to how i can fix this? |
| 02:34.45 | hikenboot | how do i get out of this corundrum? |
| 02:34.54 | Enrique | if youre having funny noises from your hard drive and fsck2 cant fix it back up your data |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | Jarrette: /dev/input/mice |
| 02:35.07 | glitch_master | abrotman: I checked syslog... |
| 02:35.08 | avcibr | jdhutchin1, thanks |
| 02:35.15 | abrotman | glitch_master: not the gdm log ?\ |
| 02:35.23 | abrotman | hikenboot: first .. back up your data |
| 02:35.29 | ethics | Jarrette: also the latest kernel was 2.6.8-2-arch |
| 02:35.36 | Enrique | did you included it on the source before compiling your kernel? |
| 02:35.40 | hikenboot | already done |
| 02:35.42 | abrotman | hikenboot: a .deb is an `ar` file |
| 02:35.46 | doublehp | abrotman: what did you mean "swap it out" ? |
| 02:35.56 | abrotman | doublehp: exchange the RAm |
| 02:36.04 | glitch_master | abrotman: well.. no. |
| 02:36.22 | doublehp | abrotman: the box is 700km away :/ |
| 02:36.22 | abrotman | glitch_master: why not ? |
| 02:36.25 | Jarrette | abrotman, i tried all the various devices possible |
| 02:36.27 | abrotman | doublehp: oh .. sorry |
| 02:36.35 | Jarrette | ethics, =P well, this is the one i was told to use |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | Jarrette: is your mouse in dmesg ? |
| 02:36.42 | hikenboot | so i can download dpkg in ar format you mean? |
| 02:36.47 | Jarrette | in where? |
| 02:36.51 | ethics | Jarrette, col...just letting you know... |
| 02:36.53 | abrotman | in dmesg |
| 02:37.13 | abrotman | hikenboot: a .deb is an ar archive |
| 02:37.21 | ethics | Jarrette: usb or PS2? |
| 02:37.46 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 02:37.46 | dpkg | 2.6 mouse is, like, modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 02:37.55 | hikenboot | ah so if i can get tar in deb format i can open it using ar? |
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| 02:38.11 | abrotman | hikenboot: packages.debian.org/dpkg |
| 02:38.24 | abrotman | hikenboot: is this your workstation or a server ? |
| 02:38.51 | Jarrette | ethics, ps/2 alright, thanks dpkg |
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| 02:39.50 | ethics | Jarrette: i think once you do what dpkg says it will be /dev/input/mice like abrotman said...it always has for me on bith usb and ps2 |
| 02:39.56 | glitch_master | abrotman: Alright. These aren't labeled as errors, but they may be responsible. |
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| 02:41.17 | glitch_master | abrotman: Do you want me to give the lines? |
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| 02:41.56 | abrotman | glitch_master: /msg dpkg paste |
| 02:42.14 | glitch_master | abrotman: ...I'm in a console. |
| 02:42.17 | Jarrette | alright, thanks, Ether_Man |
| 02:42.30 | Jarrette | *ethics... |
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| 02:43.08 | glitch_master | ... |
| 02:43.22 | glitch_master | I feel compelled to laugh histerically at Jarrette, now. |
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| 02:43.44 | glitch_master | For no real reason, too. |
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| 02:44.01 | Jarrette | lol *shakes fist at tab-complete and ethics lack of presence* |
| 02:44.06 | glitch_master | abrotman: Do you want an example of a line or not? |
| 02:44.07 | abrotman | glitch_master: do they really look like errors? |
| 02:44.28 | glitch_master | abrotman: No. However, it says it's skipping stuff, and some have "Warning:" in front of them. |
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| 02:44.48 | abrotman | glitch_master: and you checked /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
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| 02:45.02 | glitch_master | abrotman: Actually... no. |
| 02:45.36 | abrotman | check that too .. for EE lines mostly |
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| 02:46.17 | ash_ | deadcat: U there? |
| 02:46.31 | ash_ | !u |
| 02:46.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:46.36 | ash_ | idiot |
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| 02:47.03 | jim | you're !uing yourself |
| 02:47.06 | glitch_master | abrotman: None. |
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| 02:47.23 | abrotman | ash_: are you having a problem? |
| 02:47.28 | glitch_master | abrotmain: Nothing of suspicious nature, either. |
| 02:47.28 | jim | and as a consequence, it looks like I'm being addressed |
| 02:47.50 | abrotman | glitch_master: should be errors somewhere |
| 02:48.13 | ash_ | abrotman: many... heh... is this http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/sys/75961171.html worth 200 assuming everything is included? |
| 02:48.29 | glitch_master | abrotman: I know, but there's nothing. Normal stuff and then a ton of information lines. |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | ash_: wrong channel |
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| 02:48.49 | ash_ | abrotman: Err... no... going to format with debian |
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| 02:49.01 | abrotman | ash_: and PPC isn't worth any money afaiac |
| 02:49.11 | abrotman | glitch_master: try xdm instead |
| 02:49.15 | ash_ | abrotman: It's TwistedEmotions by the way... sup man |
| 02:49.15 | furrywolf | ash: search for similar items on ebay. if they sell for more on ebay, buy it. if they sell for less on ebay, buy it on ebay. |
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| 02:49.32 | glitch_master | abrotman: apt-get install xdm? |
| 02:49.50 | abrotman | ash_: that's really a slow PPC machine .. ask #debianppc what they think i guess |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | glitch_master: sure .. why not |
| 02:51.18 | ash_ | abrotman: thanks... didnt know #debianppc existed.. |
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| 02:51.22 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 02:51.22 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 02:51.46 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 02:51.54 | jetscreamer | i said #debian-ppc earlier :/ |
| 02:52.10 | ethics | hey on windows XP i can go into my network card settings and change buffer sizes etc...how would i change them in linux? |
| 02:52.16 | jetscreamer | hell it works |
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| 02:52.36 | jim | jetscreamer: yours was a good guess tho |
| 02:52.56 | abrotman | furrywolf: strap-on PDAs no doubt |
| 02:53.12 | jim | furrywolf: you want someone with a strapon? |
| 02:53.41 | ethics | not exactly a search many people would do i expect...but have fun on you adventures |
| 02:54.07 | furrywolf | jim: no, I want someone to snuggle and hug tight and go everywhere and do everything with and have a couple kids and grow old together with... if they happen to be good with a strap-on, however, I would consider that a good thing. |
| 02:54.49 | ash_ | Fucking a... forgot my NickServ password... is there any way I can have it emailed to me or something? |
| 02:54.52 | jim | wow... that's news to me... |
| 02:55.12 | pipeline | furrywolf: You know, this not being a dating channel or #tinysex or usenet, I'd rather you just shut your hole, eh? |
| 02:55.37 | TwistedEmotions | haha |
| 02:55.39 | TwistedEmotions | got it. |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | are you guys gonna start again ? |
| 02:55.55 | jetscreamer | my hd is 'clicking' :( |
| 02:55.56 | jim | who, me? |
| 02:56.01 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know... I forgot my password... how do I regain my password? |
| 02:56.04 | abrotman | no .. pipeline and furrywolf |
| 02:56.16 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: /msg nickserv help |
| 02:56.18 | jetscreamer | !i forgot roots password |
| 02:56.27 | jetscreamer | !i forgot root password |
| 02:56.31 | jetscreamer | !i forgot root's password |
| 02:56.32 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | !i'm an idiot |
| 02:56.45 | abrotman | jetscreamer: wrong password |
| 02:56.49 | jetscreamer | o |
| 02:56.54 | jim | that's not what he wanted :) |
| 02:57.00 | furrywolf | pipeline: 1) so far I've yet to meet anyone in here I'd remotely consider a date with, 2) I have no interest in online sex, and 3) I won't comment on how "hole" could be taken the wrong way there... |
| 02:57.00 | jim | but thank you for sharing :) |
| 02:57.07 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 02:57.18 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: you're a fem? |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | jetscreamer: /whois ? |
| 02:57.51 | TwistedEmotions | jim: fluffywold is a funny char.. does when he wants... sometimes relates to question asked... sometimes not. |
| 02:57.56 | furrywolf | jetscreamer: back up now WITHOUT rebooting. scp, netcat, whatever you have to do. then pull the drive out, put it in a box, and never touch it again except in case you need data off it. |
| 02:58.04 | jetscreamer | yeah ok sure |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 02:58.15 | jetscreamer | oh for that |
| 02:58.21 | jim | why would partner need a strapon in that case, given the other constraints? |
| 02:58.23 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: already backed up |
| 02:58.24 | furrywolf | every hard drive I'd had click had about a day left until that was all it would do... |
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| 02:58.49 | abrotman | jim: you assume everyone has sex the same way you do .. bad idea :) |
| 02:58.59 | jetscreamer | yeah all my drives seem to be dying lately... time to get one that's > 20 gigs |
| 02:59.13 | jetscreamer | all very old |
| 02:59.22 | furrywolf | jim: I'm a straight guy... just a fun change from time to time. |
| 02:59.41 | TwistedEmotions | jim: same reason why you wear a condom in case of assfucking a woman... to stay clean in a shitty situation. |
| 03:00.03 | pipeline | Why, pray tell, are we discussing this in #debian? |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | it's sunday |
| 03:00.18 | MrKeuner | hi, doesn't cron put stderr to mail? |
| 03:00.22 | jim | it's always sunday |
| 03:00.43 | abrotman | MrKeuner: i think it does if there's output |
| 03:00.44 | furrywolf | twisted: enemas are far more fun for that problem. |
| 03:00.45 | TwistedEmotions | What's sunday got to do with anything? |
| 03:00.52 | abrotman | !sunday |
| 03:00.52 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:00.52 | jetscreamer | !sunday |
| 03:00.54 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 03:00.54 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 03:00.56 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 03:01.00 | abrotman | you owe me a beer |
| 03:01.01 | TwistedEmotions | !tuesday |
| 03:01.01 | dpkg | tuesday is, like, soylent green day |
| 03:01.04 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | !permasunday |
| 03:01.10 | MrKeuner | abrotman/ is there a setting? it does not on my system |
| 03:01.10 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 03:01.13 | TwistedEmotions | that was not freaking fun. |
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| 03:01.25 | abrotman | MrKeuner: are you sure you know where root's mail is going ? |
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| 03:01.38 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I would assume more painful instead of fun. |
| 03:01.40 | MrKeuner | abrotman/ yep I checked that |
| 03:01.56 | furrywolf | twisted: you'd probably assume that about pegging too. not everyone likes the same things. |
| 03:01.59 | abrotman | MrKeuner: dunno .. i get mails for botched cron jobs |
| 03:02.08 | abrotman | MrKeuner: check your maillogs maybe ? |
| 03:02.24 | abrotman | furrywolf: nick completion .. come on :) |
| 03:02.45 | furrywolf | abrotman: you're right. I forgot to call him twi<tab>. :) |
| 03:02.48 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: jesus... I thought we went over this... |
| 03:02.50 | jim | pagging is percussive bagging |
| 03:02.56 | TwistedEmotions | there you go.. |
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| 03:03.05 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: pegging. guess. hint: strap-on. :P |
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| 03:03.25 | TwistedEmotions | actually... twi<tab> catches my attention a lot more then twist |
| 03:03.42 | scarynetworkguy | :bofhsmite furrywolf |
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| 03:04.01 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite furrywolf |
| 03:04.03 | abrotman | !meepsmite scarynetworkguy |
| 03:04.06 | scarynetworkguy | Twit. |
| 03:04.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:04.18 | scarynetworkguy | !geezersmite abrotman |
| 03:04.33 | abrotman | !canberrasmite scarynetworkguy |
| 03:04.41 | TwistedEmotions | you guys are bored. |
| 03:04.43 | glitch_master | Well, I'm going to try to start X. Wish me luck. |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: you're the one talking about pegging |
| 03:04.57 | furrywolf | !smitesmite abrotman and scarynetworkguy |
| 03:04.59 | TwistedEmotions | I hope you die. |
| 03:05.06 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: I didnt know what it was.. |
| 03:05.08 | abrotman | !g4ltsmite furrywolf |
| 03:05.15 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 03:05.17 | glitch_master | FAILURE |
| 03:05.19 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 03:05.19 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 03:05.21 | jim | glitch_master: you can do that with X > xlog 2>&1 |
| 03:05.41 | jim | followed by ctrl-alt-backspace if necesary |
| 03:05.46 | jim | then you can read xlog |
| 03:06.00 | glitch_master | Hmm... |
| 03:06.10 | furrywolf | abrotman: you might also try !smitessmite |
| 03:06.24 | jim | it may be there are more verbose logs in /var/log/X* |
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| 03:06.43 | abrotman | furrywolf: no way .. it's much more fun to memorize them all :) |
| 03:07.27 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 03:07.29 | glitch_master | jim: He's dead, jim. Sorry... I just wanted to say that. |
| 03:07.36 | jim | !smitesmite glitch_master |
| 03:07.46 | glitch_master | jim: It starts, but the manager does not. I get the gray eye-hurt screen and a cursor. |
| 03:08.03 | abrotman | glitch_master: that's X starting |
| 03:08.06 | jim | glitch_master: ok, right... |
| 03:08.13 | jim | seems you have an x server now |
| 03:08.16 | glitch_master | Yeah, abrotman, but it goes no further. |
| 03:08.21 | furrywolf | abrotman: tried !abrotmansmite ? :P |
| 03:08.22 | jim | try again and move the mouse |
| 03:08.24 | ethics | the grey eye hurt screen of death = X version of BSOD? |
| 03:08.27 | abrotman | glitch_master: that's all you told it to do |
| 03:08.29 | glitch_master | The mouse moves. |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | i don't have one |
| 03:08.33 | abrotman | or didn't |
| 03:08.41 | jim | glitch_master: :) |
| 03:08.43 | sshock | mknod makes device manually |
| 03:08.44 | jim | now try startx |
| 03:08.45 | glitch_master | cursor. |
| 03:08.51 | glitch_master | Um... Oh. |
| 03:08.57 | abrotman | furrywolf: that was so bad |
| 03:09.04 | abrotman | !factinfo abrotmansmite |
| 03:09.04 | glitch_master | jim: No. |
| 03:09.04 | dpkg | abrotmansmite -- created by furrywolf <~randyg@ip68-105-23-171.hu.sd.cox.net> 55s ago; it has been requested once, last by abrotman, 15s ago. |
| 03:09.16 | sshock | If startx doesn't work, try xinit |
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| 03:09.21 | jim | glitch_master: whatforno? |
| 03:09.29 | glitch_master | jim: What happens is X starts for a second, screen does the usual pop thing, then immediately blanks again and goes back to the console. |
| 03:09.48 | glitch_master | That's the symptom of the problem. |
| 03:09.55 | jim | what happens when you just do X? same thing? |
| 03:10.01 | furrywolf | glitch: does /var/log/X* list anything odd? |
| 03:10.09 | glitch_master | No. That's what happens when I start X normally. |
| 03:10.14 | abrotman | furrywolf: <tab> |
| 03:10.17 | glitch_master | Your log thingy just gies me X server with no managers. |
| 03:10.20 | jim | glitch_master: strange... |
| 03:10.42 | furrywolf | abrotman: how do you make tab completition work in an old version of ircii? :P |
| 03:10.42 | jim | glitch_master: and it stays until you dismiss it/ |
| 03:10.44 | jim | ? |
| 03:10.54 | abrotman | furrywolf: upgrade to irssi-text :) |
| 03:10.54 | jim | code it up! |
| 03:10.55 | glitch_master | The log thingy, yes. |
| 03:11.00 | jetscreamer | a football bat? i don't think so! |
| 03:11.01 | orchid | my timestamps in all my logs are in gmt, but if if type date, I get local time, how to I make my syslog use local time also? (sarge) |
| 03:11.05 | jim | glitch_master: very strange. |
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| 03:11.12 | sshock | giltch: what do you mean, "log thingy" ? |
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| 03:11.22 | jetscreamer | you know, the 'thingy' |
| 03:11.24 | jim | ok, first off, how clear is the image when you do X? |
| 03:11.36 | jim | the one that rhymes with bingy |
| 03:11.37 | glitch_master | sshock: startx > log 2>&1 |
| 03:11.44 | furrywolf | glitch: start it in such a fashion that you get the eye-hurt grey screen, switch to a virtual console, and do an xterm -display :0.0 |
| 03:11.49 | sshock | ok, gotcha |
| 03:11.54 | glitch_master | jim: eh? |
| 03:12.02 | sshock | glitch: so what about xinit; did you try that? |
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| 03:12.25 | glitch_master | Too many people giving suggestions! x.x |
| 03:12.26 | jim | glitch_master: ok, going back one step... startx fails? X succeeds? |
| 03:12.42 | furrywolf | you have, I hope, at least one window manager installed? |
| 03:12.49 | sshock | glitch: your X might be ok, but not window manager |
| 03:12.55 | glitch_master | X succeeds. Yes. |
| 03:13.04 | sshock | xinit will start up X with a shell |
| 03:13.11 | jim | furrywolf: well of course X doesn't load a wm... so that part is normal |
| 03:13.12 | furrywolf | glitch: do you get a usable xterm the way I suggested? |
| 03:13.14 | sshock | then from within the shell, you could try running a window manager |
| 03:13.14 | glitch_master | sshock: I just tried a different one to rule that out. gdm to xdm, still the same. |
| 03:13.21 | furrywolf | jim: yes, but startx should. :) |
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| 03:13.42 | glitch_master | I have the three leading window managers installed. |
| 03:13.48 | glitch_master | kdm, gdm, and xdm. |
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| 03:13.49 | MobyTurbo | glitch_master: xdm and gdm are *display* managers, not window managers. |
| 03:13.51 | jim | furrywolf: wonder why X succeeds (stays in X) but startx dies |
| 03:13.56 | glitch_master | Oh.... |
| 03:13.58 | glitch_master | I feel dumb. |
| 03:14.16 | abrotman | why is that ? |
| 03:14.27 | jim | she was cute and available? |
| 03:14.30 | glitch_master | I confused things. I don't actually feel dumb. I'm just a tad socially anxious. |
| 03:14.30 | sshock | the other problem could be a .xsession or .xinitrc file i |
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| 03:15.26 | samuel | anyone here have any suggestions for good mp3 players that are linux friendly? |
| 03:15.29 | MrKeuner | abrotman/ yeah it does send stderr. Just I was tweaking a different script than the one taht actually runs. :) thanks |
| 03:15.36 | MobyTurbo | samuel: xmms |
| 03:15.36 | sshock | samuel: xmms |
| 03:15.44 | abrotman | MrKeuner: oops :) |
| 03:15.53 | furrywolf | samuel: any one that is usb-storage rather than a proprietary protocol. |
| 03:15.55 | jim | samuel: make a list of all of em... try each... compare... contrast... report! |
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| 03:17.06 | samuel | furrywolf, i have an iaudio, but i did not like the remote AT ALL, so im going to get a new one, and instead of reading the reviews this time i thought i would ask.... |
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| 03:17.52 | glitch_master | ...I dunno. :P |
| 03:17.59 | jim | now find waldo |
| 03:18.07 | furrywolf | samuel: I can't help much... don't own an mp3 player. I just burn the occasional cd when I'm sick of whatever I have in the car. |
| 03:18.14 | TwistedEmotions | then find scarecrow a brain. |
| 03:18.24 | samuel | furrywolf, thx |
| 03:18.31 | TwistedEmotions | jim: you sick basterd |
| 03:18.45 | jim | well, |
| 03:18.47 | jim | I try... |
| 03:19.22 | glitch_master | Amazing, isn't it? |
| 03:19.23 | TwistedEmotions | hahahah |
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| 03:20.05 | jim | :P |
| 03:20.07 | jetscreamer | back so soon? |
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| 03:21.17 | jim | hmm, no wonder my thinking was so fuzzy... |
| 03:21.20 | TwistedEmotions | glitch_master: real question is if it's jims.. |
| 03:21.25 | glitch_master | XD |
| 03:21.41 | marra | ;oD |
| 03:21.42 | glitch_master | Anyway, back to my X issue... |
| 03:21.45 | glitch_master | ... |
| 03:21.49 | darkcmd | how can I get into the singleuser maintainance mode in Debian? |
| 03:21.50 | glitch_master | KILL IT WITH FIRE! |
| 03:21.53 | TwistedEmotions | What's the issue. |
| 03:21.55 | darkcmd | kinda like runlevel 1 |
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| 03:22.10 | furrywolf | darkcmd: init=/bin/sh is very single-user... |
| 03:22.21 | chaps0063 | what is the command to unzip a .rar archive. |
| 03:22.27 | furrywolf | chaps: unrar |
| 03:22.29 | darkcmd | i need to be root because |
| 03:22.31 | switch_ | Hello I am trying to install sarge with the newest net install cd, but I get the error "Kernel panic: no init found. Try passing init= option to the kernel." Looking for a place to start, thanks |
| 03:22.32 | glitch_master | TwistedEmotions: It's borked. |
| 03:22.39 | darkcmd | I don't have my current root users pass |
| 03:22.41 | jim | darkcmd: reboot, when you see LILO hit shift key immediately.... when you see boot: type single <enter> |
| 03:22.44 | chaps0063 | furrywolf, apt-get install unrar if i don't have it? |
| 03:22.51 | darkcmd | i figured i could get around it by going into runlevel 1 |
| 03:22.59 | darkcmd | •jim• will i be root without password |
| 03:22.59 | furrywolf | gah! star wars fans! |
| 03:23.05 | marra | ;oD |
| 03:23.10 | darkcmd | •jim• I use grub |
| 03:23.11 | TwistedEmotions | glitch_master: Hmm... I think you got ADD... glitch_master Anyway, back to my X issue... glitch_master KILL IT WITH FIRE!* glitch_master chases Marra with a flamethrower. |
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| 03:23.18 | abrotman | nice nick completion |
| 03:23.24 | darkcmd | sorry |
| 03:23.27 | darkcmd | let me fire up xchat |
| 03:23.28 | marra | jim: you win :o) |
| 03:23.31 | jim | darkcmd: nope |
| 03:23.50 | Ether_Man | darkcmd: I guess you're referring to boot the system using linux -s from lilo.. exchange linux with whatever you named it.. |
| 03:23.58 | furrywolf | !lost root's password |
| 03:24.02 | furrywolf | !lost root password |
| 03:24.05 | furrywolf | !lost roots password |
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| 03:24.14 | jim | we went thru that |
| 03:24.19 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: calm.. calm |
| 03:24.22 | jim | I thought you had it rigth the first time |
| 03:24.26 | furrywolf | !listkeys password |
| 03:24.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'password' by key (10): uw-imapd plaintext passwords ;; password #DEL# ;; literal i forgot root's password ;; forgot mysql root password ;; secret password ;; i forgot rahul's password ;; password reset #DEL# ;; ssh without password ;; i forgot root's password ;; password reset. |
| 03:24.28 | darkcmd | I am trying to figure this out for my friend |
| 03:24.43 | glitch_master | Moving on, my X problem. "X" works. "startx" does not. Conclusion? |
| 03:24.43 | furrywolf | !i forgot root's password |
| 03:24.43 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 03:24.50 | TwistedEmotions | !i forgot rahul's password |
| 03:24.50 | dpkg | it's "ilikesheep" |
| 03:24.57 | TwistedEmotions | hehehehe |
| 03:25.05 | jim | !i forgot rahul's password |
| 03:25.05 | dpkg | it's "ilikesheep" |
| 03:25.21 | simonrvn | ffs people, once is enough |
| 03:25.27 | jim | sorry |
| 03:25.49 | furrywolf | simon: shouldn't you be in #furry? I need to get more people in there. :) |
| 03:25.50 | jim | evidently the thought wasn't so original |
| 03:25.53 | darkcmd | thanks guys, I appreciate your help |
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| 03:26.08 | glitch_master | I'm getting tired. I want X working by tonight. |
| 03:26.09 | pipeline | furrywolf, simonrvn : Shouldn't you people be discussing #furry IN #furry? |
| 03:26.24 | siimo | hi is it possible to compile and install programs as non root user? using make install |
| 03:26.27 | simonrvn | pipeline: shouldn't you lay off? |
| 03:26.28 | pipeline | glitch_master: Conclusion: Don't use startx. It's a filthy hack. Use a display manager. Welcome to 1991, dude. |
| 03:26.36 | furrywolf | pipeline: do you have issues you're not telling us about? |
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| 03:26.53 | jim | glitch_master: see... X is the server, and it works... what startx does, is start x and fire up some clients |
| 03:26.57 | pipeline | furrywolf: Many. Note that I'm not telling you about them. |
| 03:27.19 | jim | irc: what did you do now? |
| 03:27.35 | nunez | 3ddesktop doiesnt like enlightenment |
| 03:27.38 | glitch_master | jim: So the "clients" are borked. |
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| 03:27.47 | jim | glitch_master: so, it could be a client that is causing the problem, yes. |
| 03:27.58 | glitch_master | What do I do, exactly exactly? |
| 03:28.15 | jim | well you have to find out why... but there's another possibility |
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| 03:29.03 | jim | see, the .xsession file is sourced by a shell process whose pid is watched by startx (or by something) |
| 03:29.19 | jim | once that pid goes away, the x session dies |
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| 03:29.38 | Epilog | hi there |
| 03:29.43 | ethics | !hi |
| 03:29.43 | dpkg | hello, ethics |
| 03:29.52 | jim | the idea being, you could have a log out button that simply exits when pushed controlling when the session should end |
| 03:30.05 | jim | you understand this possibility? |
| 03:30.22 | Epilog | is there anyway to read my mail not using a web based imap client but make the web based client read my /var/mail/$USER or even my ~/Maildir ? |
| 03:30.42 | bob2 | Epilog: by using a webmail client that does that |
| 03:30.53 | bob2 | Epilog: I'd besurprised if any of them did, since it would require root priveleges |
| 03:30.55 | furrywolf | epilog: I'd be a bit worried about giving my web server root access... |
| 03:31.11 | Epilog | bob2: does horde supports that? |
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| 03:31.20 | Epilog | bob2: why root access? |
| 03:31.21 | bob2 | Epilog: no idea |
| 03:31.34 | bob2 | Epilog: to read and write everyone's mail spool |
| 03:31.40 | Drone4four | maybe i shouldn't be asking this here, but could some pateint Debian user please PM me with a book prescription for a win32 end user who is new to Linux? --> i'm dying here |
| 03:31.43 | Epilog | bob2: my exim put the message in the user's Maildir |
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| 03:32.01 | Drone4four | i have so much trouble with this Terminal thingy |
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| 03:32.12 | glitch_master | jim: quite so. |
| 03:32.24 | Epilog | bob2: so is there a way to read a Maildir and not the imap? |
| 03:32.39 | Epilog | I mean use the su or pam or another way to authticate |
| 03:32.39 | jim | ok, so now... do you have an .xsession file in your ~? |
| 03:32.41 | bob2 | Epilog: yes, if you find a webmail app that supports it |
| 03:32.47 | bob2 | I don't know of any that do |
| 03:33.06 | Epilog | bob2: my main problem is to share the mail I have with the office and personnal PC |
| 03:33.11 | glitch_master | jim: I dunno. How to check would be... ? |
| 03:33.24 | jim | cd $HOME |
| 03:33.26 | Epilog | bob2: and sometimes send using outlook at work and read |
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| 03:33.29 | jim | ls .xsession |
| 03:33.31 | bob2 | Epilog: offlineimap might be a useful solution then |
| 03:33.33 | marra | Drone4four: www.ftpsearchengines.com , write something like linux, debian... |
| 03:33.42 | Epilog | bob2: what does it do? |
| 03:33.50 | glitch_master | jim: exists not. |
| 03:33.51 | kapitol | anybody know how to check what version of squid your running? |
| 03:33.59 | bob2 | Drone4four: putting a windows user on Debian is not going to be fun for either of you |
| 03:34.00 | jim | .xinitrc exist? |
| 03:34.02 | bob2 | kapitol: dpkg -l squid |
| 03:34.08 | kapitol | cheers bob |
| 03:34.14 | jim | in your $HOME dir |
| 03:34.23 | Drone4four | bob2: ? |
| 03:34.36 | bob2 | Epilog: syncs mail using imap...so you can run an imap server on the work machine, and get it to dump all the mail to home, too. changes get sent both ways |
| 03:34.51 | Drone4four | ok srry for interupting your convos |
| 03:34.53 | bob2 | Drone4four: people used to windows are going to have a lot of trouble with debian if you're not going to hold their hand |
| 03:35.15 | marra | Drone4four: try suse or fedora, mandriva first |
| 03:35.19 | Epilog | bob2: isn't that already supported by kmail and outlook? |
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| 03:35.26 | Epilog | bob2: offline imap? |
| 03:35.29 | glitch_master | jim not in home dir. No. However, both files exist somewhere. |
| 03:35.41 | bob2 | Epilog: ok! |
| 03:35.42 | jim | oh, they do? where? |
| 03:35.45 | glitch_master | I'm melting... it's fecking hot in my room. |
| 03:35.52 | bob2 | glitch_master: your problem is X doesn't start? |
| 03:35.55 | glitch_master | jim: somewhere in the X dirs |
| 03:35.56 | bob2 | jim is leading you down a garden path. |
| 03:36.04 | furrywolf | glitch: strip naked. :) |
| 03:36.06 | glitch_master | bob2: More that it closes as soon as it starts. |
| 03:36.21 | jim | bob2: X works, startx does not |
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| 03:36.25 | bob2 | glitch_master: startx -- /usr/X11/bin/twm |
| 03:36.27 | Epilog | bob2: does that ok mean I don't needed? |
| 03:36.32 | Epilog | bob2: does that ok mean I don't need it? |
| 03:36.45 | bob2 | Epilog: that means ok as in "I don't know what you want to do and I'm too tired to ask you to explain the whole thing" |
| 03:36.50 | bob2 | which afaict you haven't |
| 03:37.08 | jim | and, /usr/X11/bin/twm exists? |
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| 03:37.48 | bob2 | apparently ot |
| 03:37.58 | Epilog | bob2: oki |
| 03:39.01 | jim | glitch_master: the problem could be that debian startx (and the files to which it refers) tries to invoke client programs that do not exist |
| 03:39.33 | CyzarX | anybody use adobe premier before? im looking for similar software that are similar like adobe premier in linux. ty |
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| 03:40.06 | Anduril66 | Should I install XFRee86? |
| 03:40.10 | jim | isn't that a movie thing |
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| 03:40.42 | mngrif | Anduril66: it's a bit of a staple of linux computing nowadays... |
| 03:40.56 | glitch_master | The /sr/X11/bin/twn gave an xinit: server error. |
| 03:41.02 | Anduril66 | Thanks :) |
| 03:41.09 | glitch_master | err |
| 03:41.10 | praha1 | Drone4four: http://www.debian.org/doc/ has all the debian official docs (http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#usersguide is what you are looking ater i guess) |
| 03:41.11 | jim | glitch_master: that file exists? |
| 03:41.13 | glitch_master | */usr |
| 03:41.15 | furrywolf | glitch: tried apt-get install x-window-system xfree86-common xserver-common ? |
| 03:41.17 | glitch_master | No, it doesn't. |
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| 03:41.30 | jim | ok... try this... |
| 03:41.41 | jim | apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 03:41.47 | CyzarX | jim, yes it is. any similar premier in ilnux? |
| 03:41.59 | furrywolf | jim: ah, there's the one I was forgetting. I knew I was forgetting one of them. :) |
| 03:42.06 | jim | I never seen premier, just heard of it |
| 03:42.13 | mngrif | glitch_master: try just running "X" |
| 03:42.28 | jim | mngrif: we know that works |
| 03:42.28 | furrywolf | mngrif: you're about an hour behind on this conversation |
| 03:42.29 | glitch_master | furrywolf: installing. |
| 03:42.33 | ethics | CyzarX, premier,video studio, media studio are all pretty much the same but different layouts etc.....on linux i dont think theres much gui based .....lots of little toold to do stuff like ad striping etc but as a full app id be looking at windows still personally...im sure theres some nice linux stuff around tho just not very fullyfeatured yet |
| 03:42.36 | mngrif | yar :P |
| 03:42.39 | Anduril66 | Us there a difference between X.org's X and Xfree86? Which is better? |
| 03:42.45 | glitch_master | jim: that comes next. |
| 03:42.52 | glitch_master | mngrif: we're way past that. |
| 03:43.08 | CyzarX | ethics, ty |
| 03:43.08 | furrywolf | ethics: I saw some NICE video editing consoles on ebay (dual jog dials, 9x12 graphics pad in the middle, etc)... |
| 03:43.13 | ethics | CyzarX, what did you want to do in particular? |
| 03:43.17 | pipeline | Anduril66: The difference is licensing. Versions of XFree86 after 4.3 have more restrictive licensing than X.org. |
| 03:43.33 | pipeline | Anduril66: The version of Xfree86 in Debian has new material from X.org backported |
| 03:43.35 | praha1 | Drone4four: do you speal french ? |
| 03:43.45 | CyzarX | ethics, recently i went for a trip. i have video and pictures taken. so i plan to do a video and burn it in a disc. |
| 03:43.53 | furrywolf | ethics: was thinking of buying one and hacking together a driver for it |
| 03:44.43 | ethics | furrywolf, yeah ive seen some awesopme video and audio equipment setups in my time........if you were looking to hack up drivers id be looking at ivtv.tv website for help...hes the guy doing the mpeg card drivers... |
| 03:44.43 | praha1 | bob2: thanks for telling the debian doc writers are unable to write newbies docs :-/ |
| 03:45.04 | jim | glitch_master: now try this... apt-get install fvwm |
| 03:45.08 | praha1 | though i agree that few read docs :) |
| 03:45.15 | ethics | CyzarX, well depending on what exactly you want to do etc...linux can capture and such np..its the editing process that will hurt... |
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| 03:45.45 | jim | glitch_master, then 'echo "exec fvwm" > ~/.xsession |
| 03:45.49 | furrywolf | ethics: the console, from what I could tell research it, was a standard wacom pad (had its own rs232 plug), with another serial port that used a simple protocol for all the buttons, jog dials, etc... the driver would just need to speak the serial protocol it used and output keypress events that correspond to the video editor. |
| 03:45.51 | jim | then try startx |
| 03:46.25 | ethics | furrywolf, oh well if it's that simple then yeah sounds very easy. |
| 03:46.25 | CyzarX | ethics, do u mind to tell me the softwares that is relevant. just tell me and i will try to learn ;) |
| 03:46.30 | furrywolf | i.e. map all the buttons on the console to keycodes. |
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| 03:46.56 | jim | CyzarX: cat, echo, head, tail, grep, sort, uniq, bash |
| 03:46.58 | furrywolf | ethics: then I remembered I had no money, had no videos, sucked at anything creative, and it would just sit in my closet forever. :) |
| 03:47.05 | jim | those ones are pretty relevent :) |
| 03:47.19 | glitch_master | jim: I have fvwm already. |
| 03:47.27 | jim | glitch_master: ok |
| 03:47.35 | jim | glitch_master, then 'echo "exec fvwm" > ~/.xsession |
| 03:47.51 | jim | without the ' |
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| 03:48.09 | bob2 | praha1: what? |
| 03:48.12 | CyzarX | mmmm |
| 03:48.15 | glitch_master | jim: oh. |
| 03:48.52 | glitch_master | jim: ~./xsession doesn't exist. What does ~ pertain to? |
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| 03:49.04 | jim | after you do that, try startx and see if your x server stays up, then hit ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 03:49.14 | jim | ~ is bash shorthand for your home dir |
| 03:49.45 | ethics | CyzarX, well most of the little tools seem to come up via doom9.net ..but they are primarily win32/rippers.....mythtv,freevo etc would be good starting points...most of the progs ive seen have been viewers tho...xawtv etc |
| 03:49.47 | jim | it's sorta equivalent to $HOME/.xsession |
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| 03:50.08 | jim | oh, you got it a little wrong |
| 03:50.18 | CyzarX | ty jim ethics |
| 03:50.18 | simonrvn | glitch_master: you want ~/.xsession, not ~./xsession |
| 03:50.22 | jim | you want ~/.xsession |
| 03:50.27 | glitch_master | Oh. |
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| 03:50.36 | simonrvn | it *does* make a difference |
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| 03:50.47 | glitch_master | jim: It returned nothing. |
| 03:50.51 | ethics | CyzarX, np..hope you find something easily....a good place just to ask if someone alive there is #mythtv-users..... it on this irc server |
| 03:51.02 | jim | right, the former means "home directory belonging to user named . " |
| 03:51.09 | CyzarX | cool! |
| 03:51.11 | payrok | what's happenin tonight? |
| 03:51.18 | jim | glitch_master: ok, cat .xsession |
| 03:51.24 | jim | anything in there/ |
| 03:51.25 | jim | ? |
| 03:51.45 | furrywolf | payrok: the usual. linux help, furs chatting, pipeline bitching about furs chatting, etc. |
| 03:51.57 | payrok | right on |
| 03:52.13 | marra | :o) |
| 03:52.16 | payrok | so hey, I'm having a sound server issue |
| 03:52.32 | simonrvn | and we get to guess what it is, right? |
| 03:52.33 | glitch_master | jim: No exist. |
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| 03:52.36 | payrok | sound server just died all of a sudden |
| 03:52.41 | jim | what dir are you in? |
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| 03:52.51 | glitch_master | jim: user home |
| 03:52.55 | St0n3-C0l | what do we say Mac OS X theme in other word ? |
| 03:53.09 | jim | type ls -A |
| 03:53.16 | jim | and see what files are there |
| 03:53.35 | glitch_master | Not in here. |
| 03:53.39 | jim | don't paste them here, just see |
| 03:53.45 | glitch_master | I mean it's not in there. |
| 03:53.51 | payrok | furrywolf: so what are furs? i'm not up on irc lingo |
| 03:53.59 | jim | type ls -A | wc -l |
| 03:54.03 | jim | and tell me the number |
| 03:54.11 | glitch_master | payrok: If you don't know, you shouldn't ask. It's not "irc lingo". |
| 03:54.11 | furrywolf | payrok: furs isn't irc lingo... furs is equivelent to furries. |
| 03:54.26 | furrywolf | but easier to type and cuter. :P |
| 03:54.35 | jim | furst time I ever heard that :) |
| 03:54.36 | payrok | i c |
| 03:55.00 | marra | cuter :o) |
| 03:55.04 | furrywolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom would be decent places to start reading. |
| 03:55.10 | furrywolf | marra: furry? :) |
| 03:55.15 | payrok | or maybe i don't i'm 32.... |
| 03:55.21 | marra | yep :o) |
| 03:55.26 | payrok | not like you yougens |
| 03:55.34 | furrywolf | marra: always glad to meet more furs. :) |
| 03:55.34 | marra | young padawans |
| 03:55.39 | glitch_master | jim: 241... Dunno what that matters. |
| 03:55.48 | marra | furrywolf: likewise :o) |
| 03:55.50 | payrok | < jedi master |
| 03:55.52 | glitch_master | There's .xsession-errors, though. |
| 03:55.55 | jim | glitch_master, type pwd |
| 03:55.59 | jim | err wait |
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| 03:56.25 | jim | type echo "currently in $(pwd)" |
| 03:56.30 | marra | payrok: how humble, real jedi master can solve his sound issue, the force is strong in him :o) |
| 03:56.51 | payrok | the force is weak in my box, it may just be a pci issue |
| 03:57.01 | jim | and tell me exactly what it says (even tho I typed some of it) |
| 03:57.08 | payrok | this is an old box and was having issues with the onboard sound |
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| 03:57.27 | glitch_master | jim: Why didn't you just ask the directory? /home/glitch |
| 03:57.39 | glitch_master | user directory, as I stated before. |
| 03:57.51 | jim | you have 241 files in there/ |
| 03:57.54 | jim | ? |
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| 03:57.57 | glitch_master | Yes... |
| 03:58.01 | glitch_master | So? I'm disorganized. |
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| 03:58.10 | furrywolf | payrok: if you want to learn what "furs" means, you might start by reading those two pages. :) |
| 03:58.12 | jim | ok |
| 03:58.27 | payrok | it's getting the best of me can someone private message me and tell me what the deal is with furries? |
| 03:58.28 | glitch_master | Many, many subdirs full of crap within that, too. |
| 03:58.31 | jim | try this... |
| 03:58.39 | payrok | what 2 pages? |
| 03:59.02 | payrok | ARRRG |
| 03:59.04 | jim | ls -ld .[a-z]* |
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| 03:59.44 | enrique | hello |
| 03:59.50 | payrok | hey |
| 04:00.04 | enrique | how are you guys? |
| 04:00.05 | furrywolf | payrok: I pasted two urls about it. I don't need to private message you too. :) |
| 04:00.06 | marra | glitch_master: lol |
| 04:00.12 | payrok | really |
| 04:00.15 | jim | I was born one myself... |
| 04:00.15 | payrok | lemme look |
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| 04:00.30 | furrywolf | jim: eh? |
| 04:00.33 | glitch_master | marra: an hour later? |
| 04:00.54 | marra | well i am doing something in the background damnit ;o) |
| 04:00.58 | jim | he wanted to know how are you guys |
| 04:01.17 | furrywolf | heh. I was born one too. :P |
| 04:01.25 | glitch_master | marra: What was that in response to? |
| 04:01.43 | marra | glitch_master: bout the 241 thingie :o) |
| 04:01.46 | payrok | oh... |
| 04:01.52 | payrok | ummmm ok |
| 04:01.58 | nichos | Hi all - im having trouble getting apache to use access.log - any reason why it wouldnt write to it? error.log is being written to |
| 04:02.07 | marra | payrok: so you are not furry? :o) |
| 04:02.13 | payrok | i saw something on discovery about that once |
| 04:02.16 | payrok | not at all |
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| 04:02.39 | payrok | just a semi dedicated starwars fan of 25 years |
| 04:02.50 | jim | glitch_master: is there a .xsession in /etc/skel? |
| 04:02.57 | glitch_master | jim: lemme check. |
| 04:03.00 | payrok | but never will i dress as a jedi |
| 04:03.13 | jim | you will need -a or -A on ls |
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| 04:03.29 | payrok | Furrywofl: thank you though for the wikipedia links |
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| 04:03.42 | furrywolf | payrok: glad to help. :) |
| 04:03.42 | glitch_master | jim: no. |
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| 04:04.40 | jim | glitch_master: ok, try this... startx -- fvwm |
| 04:04.46 | payrok | i just want to know why alsa picks up my sound card and the sound system says it's blocked or in use |
| 04:04.47 | jim | then ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 04:04.57 | payrok | when it isn't |
| 04:05.10 | payrok | my q in a nutshell |
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| 04:05.22 | jim | payrok: that sound server thing has got it pigeonholed |
| 04:05.41 | payrok | jim: how so? |
| 04:05.53 | jim | (well, most likely) |
| 04:06.03 | glitch_master | jim: xinit: Server error |
| 04:06.14 | pipeline | payrok: what card do you have? |
| 04:06.17 | simonrvn | the sound "daemon" takes exclusive use of the sound device, therefore disallowing any other process from accessing it |
| 04:06.21 | payrok | jim: if you point me in the right direction i would appreciate it |
| 04:06.23 | marra | ok now I don-t understand what pidgeonholed means :o) |
| 04:06.57 | jim | marra: his sound is being held in a "busy" state |
| 04:06.58 | glitch_master | marra: stop using evil faces. |
| 04:07.02 | marra | pidgeon is a bird? |
| 04:07.04 | starscalling | >:) |
| 04:07.05 | payrok | pipeline, sb16 pci using compiled in support for the ess1373 on 2.6.11.9 kernel |
| 04:07.12 | jim | yes :) |
| 04:07.17 | marra | jim: i see, thnx :o) |
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| 04:07.42 | pipeline | payrok: No meaningful hardware mixing, then. google for dmix, find a configuration to copy and paste into /etc/asound.conf, then reboot :P |
| 04:07.48 | jim | payrok: see what happens when you do... killall esd |
| 04:07.49 | marra | glitch_master: evil? |
| 04:08.06 | shivraj | does the deb package for kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 have support for wireless internet ? |
| 04:08.13 | payrok | pipeline: right on, thanks |
| 04:08.25 | payrok | jim: i'll let you know, hold on |
| 04:08.26 | jim | shivraj: probably |
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| 04:08.48 | jim | payrok: do it a coupla times, what happens each time |
| 04:09.12 | payrok | jim: shit, it worked |
| 04:09.23 | payrok | first time |
| 04:09.23 | jim | wait, that changed |
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| 04:09.40 | jim | so esd likes to grab your soundcard |
| 04:09.40 | payrok | finally music |
| 04:10.02 | payrok | is there a rc script i should modify/disable? |
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| 04:10.08 | pipeline | payrok: dmix gives you in-kernel software mixing like Windows. |
| 04:10.13 | jim | I don't know the really clean/complete/robust/permanent way around that |
| 04:10.20 | pipeline | payrok: if esd is taking up the whole device, you will find that any one program will take up the whole device. |
| 04:10.34 | pipeline | jim: Disable esd? |
| 04:10.40 | jim | sure |
| 04:11.09 | jim | maybe esd could become jack-aware |
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| 04:11.29 | adexta | jim: what version of alsa are you using? |
| 04:11.35 | payrok | i'm not sure I've seen anything in the kernel config for dmix? |
| 04:11.38 | jim | then you could professionally record everything that comes out of your speakers :) |
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| 04:11.50 | jim | 1.something |
| 04:12.00 | pipeline | jim: That makes no sense. Jack and ESD fill the same software niche. That would be like an IE plugin for Mozilla. |
| 04:12.16 | glitch_master | jim: not awake? |
| 04:12.31 | jim | pipeline: but it fills the same niche for different purposes/clients |
| 04:12.31 | shivraj | how do I add a source ? |
| 04:12.45 | jim | apt-setup is one way, I think |
| 04:12.49 | shivraj | I was in installation but my ethernet wasnt working so I couldnt add one |
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| 04:13.01 | shivraj | had to get out and run dhclient |
| 04:13.06 | payrok | shivraj you can follow the pattern of your current sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:13.08 | pipeline | jim: It would be better to just stop using esd entirely. |
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| 04:13.14 | jim | glitch_master: having trouble understanding why your thing isn't working, and also why that file didn't get into that dir |
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| 04:13.29 | payrok | shivraj or you can use apt-conf i think |
| 04:13.49 | jim | pipeline: probably... but it's a tradeoff,,, what's esd for anyway at that point? |
| 04:13.56 | shivraj | payrok : there's nothing there, wish there was |
| 04:14.04 | shivraj | is there a way to get back into the installation ? |
| 04:14.09 | pipeline | jim: It's not a tradeoff. ESD pretty much sucks, in general. There's no reason to use it if you can possibly avoid it. |
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| 04:14.13 | payrok | shivraj run apt-conf one time |
| 04:14.22 | pipeline | jim: Anything esd does would be done better by NAS or jackd or dmix. |
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| 04:14.42 | jim | but then the question becomes, what else is jack-aware? |
| 04:15.02 | jim | aside from ardour and spiral-synth-modular |
| 04:15.15 | payrok | jim / pipeline so should i just ditch esd and get a different mixer? |
| 04:15.31 | pipeline | payrok: well, Gnome uses esd to play the desktop sounds (like when you click on things) |
| 04:15.39 | pipeline | payrok: I would set up dmix and leave esd alone. |
| 04:15.45 | jim | esd isn't a mixer exactly... but sure, you could choose to ditch esd |
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| 04:16.06 | payrok | so what is the more capable? |
| 04:16.23 | shivraj | google sources.list ;-) |
| 04:16.39 | jim | jack, but standard x things aren't generally aware of it yet, not that I know of anyway |
| 04:16.42 | payrok | or is there a limitation with my sound card? |
| 04:16.51 | jim | (but... xmms does have a jack module) |
| 04:17.14 | pipeline | payrok: Don't worry about it. Trust me, you want to be using dmix whether you're using esd or not. |
| 04:17.24 | payrok | ok |
| 04:17.25 | pipeline | furrywolf: We all know very well why you would consider Y viable. |
| 04:17.30 | jim | the limitation is that only one process can open the sound at any given time |
| 04:17.39 | jim | that caused your original problem |
| 04:17.44 | furrywolf | pipeline: who can argue with a program named "yiff"? :P |
| 04:18.03 | pipeline | furrywolf: The software "company" that makes it also has a furry theme. |
| 04:18.10 | furrywolf | pipeline: I noticed. |
| 04:18.17 | payrok | ok so that isn't a debian package, is that something i would need to patch and recompile the kernel with? |
| 04:18.22 | furrywolf | pipeline: jbidwatcher's authors are quite furry too... |
| 04:18.24 | payrok | for dmix that is |
| 04:18.33 | jim | payrok: not sure. |
| 04:18.39 | pipeline | payrok: You're already using alsa. There's nothing to patch or compile. |
| 04:18.40 | seven_six_two | i have an encoding process running in a terminal that is taking up a lot of my processor (nice 0). I need to keep it running, but I don't if and how it can be re-niced without stopping it. I figured out how to pause it and resume it. is it possible to re-nice on the fly? my manual seems a bit vague |
| 04:18.52 | pipeline | payrok: dmix is part of alsa. You just have to enable it with a very complex asound.conf file. |
| 04:19.05 | pipeline | seven_six_two: renice works on the fly, you need to be root. |
| 04:19.14 | furrywolf | seven: man renice |
| 04:19.15 | pipeline | seven_six_two: That's the point of renice |
| 04:19.15 | payrok | that's what you were talking about finding a config file for dmix |
| 04:19.28 | jim | but... if you want to use jack more effectively... you could compile your kernel with preempt and rt extensions |
| 04:19.32 | pipeline | payrok: Yes. Just search for dmix and copy and paste something into a file called /etc/asound.conf and you'll be fine. |
| 04:19.36 | payrok | so there should be one (hopefully) for my sb16? |
| 04:19.40 | pipeline | jim: What would rt extensions do for you in the case of jackd? |
| 04:19.43 | seven_six_two | pipeline: thanks. I didn't know about it. |
| 04:19.43 | pipeline | payrok: It's not card specific. |
| 04:19.48 | payrok | ok |
| 04:19.58 | jim | makes -sure- every sample is played on TIME |
| 04:20.14 | payrok | so what is the role of esd and or dmix? |
| 04:20.23 | jim | linux is otherwise a sloppy mess in that regard |
| 04:20.28 | payrok | in some technical terms, i can handle it |
| 04:20.34 | jim | (but so are other unixes |
| 04:20.37 | jim | ) |
| 04:20.42 | Guerin | unices |
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| 04:21.03 | jim | that's too much like unicef :P |
| 04:21.09 | pipeline | payrok: esd is a user-space software sound mixer that people used to use. |
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| 04:21.17 | pipeline | payrok: Don't mess with it. |
| 04:21.36 | pipeline | payrok: dmix is a software sound mixer that works transparently and doesn't require you to do anything special in your applications. |
| 04:21.42 | Glitch_ | Well.. whaddaya know.. |
| 04:21.53 | Glitch_Master | An accidental reboot fixed the problem entirely. |
| 04:21.54 | marra | Glitch_Master: wb :o) |
| 04:22.02 | payrok | so why is it still apart of the distro |
| 04:22.20 | jim | payrok: that would be my question too |
| 04:22.27 | Draconicus | Now I must part. |
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| 04:22.36 | furrywolf | payrok: not being useful for you doesn't make it not usefor for everyone. nor does it sucking. |
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| 04:23.30 | jim | furrywolf: it's others who are claiming esd is useless... latest claim, it used to be used |
| 04:23.32 | Guerin | esd does have other uses, like network transparency, which dmix doesn't afaik |
| 04:23.44 | pipeline | esd's network transparency is awful. |
| 04:23.46 | pipeline | Don't bother with it. |
| 04:23.53 | jim | not that I don't believe it; I don't know one way or another |
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| 04:24.13 | Guerin | pipeline: what was the network sound app you were recommending the other day? |
| 04:24.18 | Guerin | started with N |
| 04:24.27 | jim | pipeline: how does jack compare? |
| 04:24.32 | pipeline | Guerin: NAS is an option. |
| 04:24.39 | pipeline | jim: I didn't know jack worked at all over a network. |
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| 04:24.49 | Guerin | ok, i need to look into that |
| 04:24.52 | jim | not to NAS, to esd |
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| 04:25.03 | shivraj | apt is saying it cant stat source |
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| 04:25.15 | pipeline | Guerin: NAS plays games to cache sound and does a few other things. It only sucks slightly less than ESD. There's not really a good network audio option. |
| 04:25.23 | jim | you could always make a module that sends the samples over a net |
| 04:25.34 | Guerin | pipeline: right. |
| 04:25.37 | shivraj | my sources.list reads "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
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| 04:25.49 | payrok | furrywolf: true, i realized that right after i hit enter, sorry for not being considerate of bullheadedness :P |
| 04:26.00 | jim | shivraj: that looks good |
| 04:26.06 | pipeline | jim: Jack has different goals from esd. Esound is made obsolete by transparent software mixing; jack is not. |
| 04:26.25 | shivraj | had to run apt-get update, should have read the error message :-) |
| 04:26.38 | jim | so they are slightly different in purpose |
| 04:28.35 | jim | from what I understand, jack establishes interprocess pipelines for sound at a particular sample rate (the rate specified to the jackd startup) |
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| 04:29.00 | pipeline | They're very different |
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| 04:29.06 | pipeline | Jack has LADSPA and other freaky shit going for it. |
| 04:29.13 | pipeline | ESD was just a quick hack to get software mixing |
| 04:29.24 | jim | ladspa got some hot shit too |
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| 04:29.35 | furrywolf | I've never acutally used a sound daemon... never had a reason for one. |
| 04:29.55 | jim | a professional multitrack audio recording package, ardour, -requires- jack |
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| 04:30.23 | dabreegster | pipeline: ESD works fine for mixing, though. |
| 04:30.46 | bob2 | except it adds latency |
| 04:30.49 | bob2 | and otherwise sux0rs |
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| 04:31.20 | jim | well anything adds some latency |
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| 04:31.31 | szaszka | Hi all! |
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| 04:31.49 | szaszka | I need a little help :-) |
| 04:31.54 | jim | you're saying it adds a LOT of latency |
| 04:32.19 | szaszka | I want to change the righs of files recursivelly |
| 04:32.26 | jim | whereas jack can use the low-latency kernel patch to advantages |
| 04:32.31 | furrywolf | szaszka: chmod -R |
| 04:32.34 | bob2 | szaszka: man chmod, -R is a useful option |
| 04:32.45 | szaszka | but I want to assigs different rights for directories and files |
| 04:32.45 | shivraj_ | what kind of system is ftp.debian.org ? |
| 04:32.51 | jim | szaszka: and be very careful witht that, it's quite powerful |
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| 04:33.03 | bob2 | szaszka: then look at the find command |
| 04:33.18 | bob2 | szaszka: find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod u+rwx |
| 04:33.25 | payrok | i may just scrap gnome and go back to blackbox, this esd issue a bit overwelming, and blackbox isn't bad :) |
| 04:33.26 | jim | shivraj_: possibly, debian ;) |
| 04:33.28 | szaszka | Ca someone write me a little script, that do this for me? |
| 04:33.34 | shivraj_ | no hardware :-) |
| 04:33.44 | jim | no, it has hardware |
| 04:33.51 | szaszka | bob2, thank! |
| 04:34.05 | shivraj_ | its quite fast, ... |
| 04:34.30 | jim | it coudl be an ultrasparc |
| 04:35.17 | payrok | thanks for the assistance guys |
| 04:35.21 | payrok | and gals |
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| 04:37.47 | pipeline | dabreegster: ...if all of your client applications can use esd. |
| 04:38.00 | bob2 | which they can, with esddsp |
| 04:38.02 | pipeline | dabreegster: Almost everything supports OSS or Alsa output. The list of esd apps is somewhat smaller. |
| 04:40.02 | dabreegster | pipeline: esddsp can fix that, sometimes |
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| 04:41.52 | TwistedEmotions | You guys think this lappy is worth 325? I told the guy I wanted it and that I would buy... just want to know.http://www.craigslist.org/sby/sys/76003561.html |
| 04:42.14 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: compare to similar models on ebay. |
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| 04:43.04 | pipeline | dabreegster: Why put up with "sometimes" and "maybe" when you can have it "just work" with dmix? |
| 04:43.23 | pipeline | TwistedEmotions: Seems reasonable to me |
| 04:43.24 | cthulfuego | TwistedEmotions: Yep, I think it is. |
| 04:43.25 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: definately cheaper... almost think its a scam. |
| 04:43.40 | pipeline | TwistedEmotions: I think you made off like a bandit picking that up for 325$ |
| 04:44.02 | cthulfuego | I note the ad doesn't claim the laptop actually works. |
| 04:44.03 | dabreegster | pipeline: I'll check it out |
| 04:44.32 | TwistedEmotions | pipeline: I agree... well see if everything is actually legit. |
| 04:44.58 | pipeline | fortunately, it's not ebay, adn you can meet the guy face to face if need be, eh? |
| 04:45.12 | furrywolf | twisted: are you in the same area? purchase it in person. test it on the spot. have an inverter with you to power it from your car with the a/c adapter if the seller claims the battery isn't charged. |
| 04:45.18 | furrywolf | s/twisted/twi<tab> |
| 04:45.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: did you get it? |
| 04:45.37 | shivraj_ | !tell shivraj_ about setup xf86 |
| 04:45.54 | dabreegster | pipeline: dmix? Doesn't seem to be in my package list or on freshmeat. |
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| 04:45.59 | deadcat | !drxx |
| 04:45.59 | shivraj_ | !tell shivraj_ about setup x |
| 04:45.59 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 04:46.02 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I got a inverter in there already for xbox so great will do. |
| 04:46.08 | pipeline | dabreegster: It's a function alsa. If you're using alsa, you just have to add lines to your asound.conf. |
| 04:46.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31562&item=6772562734&rd=1 |
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| 04:46.13 | deadcat | shivraj_: use /msg |
| 04:46.14 | dabreegster | pipeline: Ah |
| 04:46.25 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: gonna buy that tommorow morning at 10am. |
| 04:46.32 | shivraj_ | deadcat : ok |
| 04:46.35 | furrywolf | I keep my 800 watt inverter in the car, with the 1500 watt one in the garage if needed... |
| 04:46.48 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: it doesnt look good. |
| 04:46.57 | Bobstopper | Hello. Is there a way I can run a program under linux on a machine with supported multiple cpus and force it and all its children to run on the one cpu? |
| 04:47.02 | furrywolf | keep in mind tomorrow is a holiday. |
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| 04:47.30 | bob2 | Bobstopper: there's some CPU affinity stuff, yeah |
| 04:47.30 | ra21vi | hi Friends |
| 04:47.33 | bob2 | Bobstopper: why do you want to do this? |
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| 04:48.08 | ra21vi | i am new to debian, using Ubuntu |
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| 04:48.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Why? 325 for a 1gighrtz machine? |
| 04:48.18 | ra21vi | can someone help me on a problem |
| 04:48.21 | pipeline | ra21vi: This isn't the right channel for Ubuntu. |
| 04:48.25 | Bobstopper | bob2: because I have a program which doesn't seem to like being run under multiple cpus and I only have until this afternoon to fix it. Simplest solution I can think of is to make it run on the one cpu. What's this cpu affinity tuff? |
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| 04:48.25 | pipeline | ra21vi: Try #ubuntu. |
| 04:48.25 | bob2 | ra21vi: #ubuntu |
| 04:48.30 | pipeline | ra21vi: Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 04:48.41 | dabreegster | ra21vi: don't ask to ask, just ask. But let it be about debian, not ubuntu. |
| 04:48.42 | ra21vi | pipeline:- but I have problem with apt-get, and i think thats the debian thing |
| 04:48.48 | bob2 | Bobstopper: er, wow, that's amazingly broken, I'm not even sure how a program could detect what cpu it's on |
| 04:48.49 | pipeline | ra21vi: That's a Ubuntu issue. |
| 04:49.00 | pipeline | ra21vi: I suggest you either ask the #ubuntu folks or install Debian Sarge. |
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| 04:49.15 | pipeline | ra21vi: Debian Sarge and Ubuntu use the same installer, so it's not as if it's vastly more complicated. |
| 04:49.20 | cartel_ | hmm |
| 04:49.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: screen looks hosed |
| 04:49.40 | ra21vi | pipeline:- lol, the options are limited, i asked there in Ubuntu, no working replies |
| 04:49.40 | cartel_ | have the mirrors already started updating stable? |
| 04:50.06 | cartel_ | im seeing weird behavior in debootstrap suggesting something has changed |
| 04:50.09 | pipeline | ra21vi: Nevertheless, as you're not using Debian, there's not much we can tell you. I would persist in Ubuntu or install Debian. |
| 04:50.14 | deadcat | ra21vi: if you use ubuntu. go to #ubuntu. |
| 04:50.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Well if screen is defected I wont guy... but what do you mean hosed? I think thats just the background picture man... |
| 04:50.25 | bob2 | Bobstopper: try the schedutils package |
| 04:50.25 | ra21vi | pipeline:- can u tell me something about Debian, i m trying different Linux, and I have limited time to complete my paper-work i m working on.. |
| 04:50.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: scratches |
| 04:50.36 | Bobstopper | bob2: thanks! |
| 04:50.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How can you tell that... its a tiny ass picture |
| 04:51.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: go to the bottom of the image |
| 04:51.04 | deadcat | page |
| 04:51.05 | ra21vi | pipeline:- i have tried FC3, Gentoo, ArchLinux, Mepis, Xandros, and trying Ubuntu now |
| 04:51.07 | pipeline | ra21vi: Look, dude, you're using a fork of Debian. There are thousands of little tiny things that are different. Your problem, 999 times out of 1000, is going to be ubuntu-specific. Ask the #ubuntu folks, or ask the folks on the ubuntu forums. Or just install the real Debian. |
| 04:51.09 | cartel_ | debian is the mega-awesome |
| 04:51.09 | bob2 | Bobstopper: ( I think it may depend on a modern kernel, tho) |
| 04:51.23 | deadcat | ra21vi: then ask in #ubuntu. how hard is that to understand. |
| 04:51.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ? |
| 04:51.42 | Bobstopper | That's ok. I'm running linux 2.6.11 |
| 04:51.44 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: are you at the right site? There is no picture.. |
| 04:51.47 | bob2 | ra21vi: you haven't asked a question in #ubuntu in the past 24 hours |
| 04:51.52 | pipeline | ra21vi: We don't care what other distributions you've tried. Those other distributions aren't Debian. This is #debian. We talk about Debian, ancient hardware, and occasionally perverted sex acts. But mostly Debian. |
| 04:51.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the page. at the bottom of the page. he has 2 shots with the mouse pointing to the bad spot |
| 04:52.09 | cartel_ | and on that note... |
| 04:52.11 | dabreegster | pipeline: I'm bashing that quote. :P |
| 04:52.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what the hell. must be diff page |
| 04:52.13 | cartel_ | anyone tried lyons stagecoach? |
| 04:52.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: http://www.craigslist.org/sby/sys/76003561.html |
| 04:52.18 | ra21vi | bob2:- i asked yesterday, just look for it |
| 04:52.18 | cartel_ | ;) |
| 04:52.23 | bob2 | ra21vi: I did |
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| 04:52.31 | deadcat | bob2: hes messing with you |
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| 04:52.46 | bob2 | ra21vi: with this nick? |
| 04:53.04 | ra21vi | means |
| 04:53.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you scared the shit out of me.. I was like wtf screen are you looking at? |
| 04:53.28 | ra21vi | Ok thanks guys |
| 04:53.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: link again. |
| 04:53.34 | furrywolf | only occasionally perverted sex? seems strap-ons, enemas, electrosex, etc are all on-topic. :P |
| 04:53.49 | ra21vi | thanks for the worst sugesstions... |
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| 04:53.55 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: /msg |
| 04:53.58 | cartel_ | i am perverted |
| 04:53.58 | furrywolf | ubuntu: wrong channel. |
| 04:54.02 | bob2 | ra21vi: if your problem is with X.org, there is nothing we can do to help you |
| 04:54.05 | cartel_ | lol furrywolf |
| 04:54.14 | bob2 | ra21vi: Debian doesn't use X.org at all, and your question is entirely Ubuntu-specific |
| 04:54.15 | dabreegster | furrywolf: I've never heard much talk of sex in here and I'm here a good bit |
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| 04:54.27 | bob2 | ra21vi: ask again in #ubuntu, and if that doesn't get any help, try asking on the ubuntu-user list |
| 04:54.27 | cartel_ | geeks dont have sex |
| 04:54.29 | tuppa | furrywolf: change your nick to debian and /join #ubuntu |
| 04:54.33 | bob2 | cartel_: speak for yourself! |
| 04:54.33 | tuppa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.40 | spdf | cartel_, Lies! |
| 04:54.41 | cartel_ | bob2: just joking man |
| 04:54.43 | ra21vi | bob2:- that was yesterdays problem, solved |
| 04:54.50 | caphuso | cartel_: not since floppy slots became too narrow |
| 04:54.57 | cartel_ | ive only had one girlfriend since i started this job.. |
| 04:55.05 | cartel_ | (and two one night stands) |
| 04:55.06 | dabreegster | Yeah, somebody should pester #ubuntu with debian-related questions. |
| 04:55.08 | ubuntu | wrtht |
| 04:55.16 | bob2 | ra21vi: then back to #ubuntu |
| 04:55.24 | furrywolf | cartel: if you're perverted, you're going to have to give this channel details. :P |
| 04:55.26 | ra21vi | bob2:- u just checking the logged database of Ubuntu, check Ubuntu IRC channel on freenode, then come |
| 04:55.51 | bob2 | ra21vi: I don't know what that sentence means. |
| 04:55.51 | bob2 | yes, I grepped my logs for your question. |
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| 04:56.40 | ra21vi | bob2:- ya i know that |
| 04:56.44 | cartel_ | #* ra21vi (~ra21vi@203.196.175.144) has joined channel #ubuntu |
| 04:57.07 | ra21vi | bob2:- can u tell me something good and bad in Debian? and different than others |
| 04:57.20 | furrywolf | dabreegster: you must have missed have the discussions then. :P |
| 04:57.28 | cartel_ | theres a real easy answer to that bob2 |
| 04:57.30 | cartel_ | "no" |
| 04:57.41 | dabreegster | ra21vi: You're looking for a COMPARISON CHART? Seriously, Debian isn't a *PRODUCT* |
| 04:57.44 | bob2 | ra21vi: try it and see. |
| 04:57.51 | Penix | wenas |
| 04:57.55 | dabreegster | Crap, lightning, gotta go |
| 04:57.55 | bob2 | weeeeeeeeenas. |
| 04:58.12 | bob2 | ra21vi: you can ask as many questions as you like, but you won't know if a distro is good for you until you use it. |
| 04:58.15 | spdf | mmm. toffee. |
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| 04:58.26 | ra21vi | lol, i cannt download the 6-8 cds, i have 64kbps |
| 04:58.36 | spdf | ra21vi, then download CD1... |
| 04:58.45 | furrywolf | dabreegster: use wireless internet, to separate your computer from the phone/cable, and unplug the power and run off the UPS, to avoid power surges? :P |
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| 04:58.54 | jim | ra21vi: then install debian from the net. you don't need any cds and mybe no floppys too. |
| 04:58.57 | ra21vi | spdf:- and then try everything on CLI |
| 04:59.03 | ec_ | you could even just download the things you need from inside a live cd |
| 04:59.11 | ec_ | if you have knoppix laying around |
| 04:59.20 | cartel_ | knoppix != debian |
| 04:59.26 | AwesomeMachine | I've used redhat, debian, mandrake, suse, slack debian best easiest |
| 04:59.29 | jim | you could use that... but you also don't need to |
| 05:00.03 | ec_ | cartel_: he can still boot into knoppix any install from there |
| 05:00.17 | ec_ | being that it would require less downloading in the end |
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| 05:00.19 | furrywolf | dabreegster: my ups can run my boxes for about 8 hours... only unplugged them with the power on once, when it was flickering so bad I knew it was going out. |
| 05:00.22 | jim | ra21vi: got a floppy drive you can boot from and 2-4 floppies? |
| 05:01.24 | ra21vi | why u ppl are so much unjustifiable |
| 05:01.32 | jim | furrywolf: wow... I would assume a ups has about 10 mins |
| 05:01.47 | spdf | ra21vi, You could try and work on sentence structure.. in the mean time... |
| 05:01.47 | jim | ra21vi: lack of need? |
| 05:02.24 | tristan | furrywolf: that must be a really big ups system, or a bunch of laptops :) |
| 05:02.30 | AwesomeMachine | I worked on a 750,000 watt ups that goes for 24 hours under full load |
| 05:02.32 | furrywolf | jim: the battery on mine is 85 amp hours at 24 volts, and weighs close to 200lbs... |
| 05:02.54 | furrywolf | did I mention we get frequently, long outages here? :) |
| 05:02.55 | ra21vi | if someone says knoppix, u say knoppix !=debian, if someone say something u dont want to know the pros-cons, just glued |
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| 05:03.07 | cartel_ | huh? |
| 05:03.17 | cartel_ | ra21vi: knoppix != debian. /j #knoppix |
| 05:03.22 | furrywolf | ra21vi: we've heard it all before. we can't and won't support ubuntu or knoppix. |
| 05:03.36 | cartel_ | ra21vi: ubuntu != debian. /j #ubuntu |
| 05:03.41 | bob2 | ra21vi: sorry, you're confused |
| 05:03.47 | bob2 | ra21vi: this isn't an advocacy channel |
| 05:03.51 | bob2 | ra21vi: this is a help/user channel |
| 05:03.55 | ra21vi | furrywolf:- i dont want u to support the distro, |
| 05:04.01 | bob2 | ra21vi: we're not here to convince you to use debian, but if you want help with, please ask |
| 05:04.03 | jim | ra21vi: besides, I already told you something good... debian can be installed from cd, from floppy with net, from bus-card cd w/ net, from a hard drive with net, from single floppy with 128mb usb stick (with image on it) |
| 05:04.08 | furrywolf | and stop sounding like a fucking moron by using "u". |
| 05:04.18 | starscalling | fuck irc if you wanna get ahold of me msn me if you got it if not bugger off |
| 05:04.26 | ra21vi | bob2:- u r taking me somerthing wrong |
| 05:04.39 | bob2 | ra21vi: I don't understand you |
| 05:04.45 | tuppa | help/user channel for debian? |
| 05:04.47 | tuppa | hahahahahahaha |
| 05:04.48 | tuppa | :) |
| 05:04.51 | jim | ra21vi: that's fair, so are you :) |
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| 05:05.07 | AwesomeMachine | enough |
| 05:05.33 | cartel_ | since this convo started i havent seen a real question |
| 05:05.34 | ra21vi | jim:- u told me the beginning things, tell me can debain be a nice Home-Desktop Linux, the paper Title i m writing |
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| 05:05.47 | nagual | hehe |
| 05:05.59 | spdf | ra21vi, It sure can. |
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| 05:06.02 | furrywolf | ra21vi: you don't deserve to pass the class you're writing it for, sorry. |
| 05:06.02 | bob2 | ra21vi: yes, it can, if the person setting it up is either willing to learn a lot or knows how to use linux already |
| 05:06.08 | cartel_ | ra21vi: theres no point in badgering #debian people for answers like that |
| 05:06.12 | AwesomeMachine | I went to the school of really good speech |
| 05:06.26 | cartel_ | ra21vi: install it yourself, come back and ask questions when you have a real problem |
| 05:06.26 | nagual | AwesomeMachine: so your writing sucks, but your speech is good? |
| 05:06.29 | bob2 | AwesomeMachine: u r teh awesome machine! |
| 05:06.50 | AwesomeMachine | is everyone drunk in here? |
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| 05:07.05 | nagual | not yet, but i hope to get there soon enough, maybe in a few weeks or so |
| 05:07.07 | jim | ra21vi: for that part, you'll have to install it and see. debian really shines, however, as a server, and one more stable than just about any linux out there, as long as you are using the stable dist. older stuff? yes, but it's rock solid. |
| 05:07.18 | ra21vi | study says : 9% users Linux, 4 % users MacOS, and rest windows, |
| 05:07.29 | ra21vi | on Home-Desktop, mind it |
| 05:07.31 | bob2 | ra21vi: yes |
| 05:07.35 | Ryan_Bonaparde | I'm trying to find a mobo that supposts a Pentium w/HT, anyone know of one? |
| 05:07.39 | bob2 | ra21vi: and 25% of americans voted for Bush |
| 05:07.45 | nagual | hehe bob2 |
| 05:07.51 | binarydigit_ | Ryan_Bonaparde: www.hardocp.com |
| 05:07.56 | bob2 | Ryan_Bonaparde: I'm pretty sure any modern p4 board supports it |
| 05:08.02 | furrywolf | and people claim _I_ bring politics into things. :P |
| 05:08.05 | jim | I doubt macos is only 4% |
| 05:08.06 | AwesomeMachine | Ryan_Bonaparde: intel 865PERL |
| 05:08.09 | ra21vi | and I am writing paper, why not ppl using Linux for Home-Desktop and Business, just Servers and Enterprises |
| 05:08.10 | cartel_ | Ryan_Bonaparde: any springdake or later chipset board |
| 05:08.17 | nagual | furrywolf: there you go again, bringing politics into things! |
| 05:08.29 | furrywolf | nagual: actually, it was bob2 this time. :P |
| 05:08.31 | tuppa | ra21vi: and I think you're in the wrong channel for Linux for Home-Desktops ;) |
| 05:08.38 | nagual | furrywolf: excuses :P |
| 05:08.54 | Ryan_Bonaparde | Thanks binarydigit_, bob2, AweseomeMachine, and cartel_! |
| 05:08.59 | jim | ra21vi: again, you should install it yourself and see for yourself |
| 05:09.07 | AwesomeMachine | yvw |
| 05:09.07 | Nigel | bob2: i didn't think this was #politics |
| 05:09.09 | cartel_ | ryan_Bonaparde: springdale* |
| 05:09.10 | jim | I |
| 05:09.18 | jim | would recommend you install sarge. |
| 05:09.33 | Nigel | only #linuxpolitics |
| 05:09.52 | cartel_ | ra21vi: debian is not geared towards home desktop use. examples of debian derived desktop focus distros are: mepis, knoppix, ubuntu. |
| 05:09.55 | jim | you're going to have to do that anyway if you're going to be writing a paper on why or why not linux |
| 05:10.00 | ra21vi | jim:- who says these to me, they even dont know what are the basic things for Home-Desktop OS, just go and read, no nonsense please |
| 05:10.06 | kapitol | anybody here know much about squirrelmail? |
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| 05:10.39 | cartel_ | what the hell is this guy saying |
| 05:10.41 | ra21vi | kapitol:- this is a debian channel, no one will answer ur squirrelmail |
| 05:10.46 | spdf | kapitol, What's up? |
| 05:10.56 | jim | ra21vi: we're very strong advocates of the do-your-own-research school of paper writing :) |
| 05:11.01 | hardcampa- | ra21vi last I checked debian was linux related |
| 05:11.10 | cartel_ | ra21vi: i used to be an ielts examiner, even i am having trouble understanding you |
| 05:11.11 | furrywolf | !jw ra21vi |
| 05:11.11 | dpkg | ra21vi: Are people in #debian not helping you in the way you'd like to be helped? They won't hold your hand even though you need them to? A debian developer would probably be best to answer your question. Please go to http://www.jabberwacky.com/ and enter your question into the text box, and click on "say it". Your message will automatically be sent to the developer team, and you should receive an answer within seconds. |
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| 05:11.29 | AwesomeMachine | gebntoo is nice desktop |
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| 05:11.38 | cartel_ | gentoo is crap |
| 05:11.43 | hardcampa- | bullshit |
| 05:11.56 | cartel_ | www.funroll-loops.org |
| 05:11.58 | jim | you wait hours or even days for gentoo to be ready to use |
| 05:11.59 | hardcampa- | but this is debian so.. lets stay with debian in here |
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| 05:13.09 | ra21vi | jim:- then use the bin-dist of Gentoo, if u dont know |
| 05:13.19 | diomedes | i've got couier-imap in an office here, and when a user (using OE) deletes an email it marks it as delete ie message has a line through it but thats it, it never actually gets deleted |
| 05:13.20 | ra21vi | ur desktop within 1 hr |
| 05:13.24 | diomedes | anyone have an idea why? |
| 05:13.42 | cartel_ | ra21vi: i can set up my ubuntu desktop within 3 minutes ;) |
| 05:13.44 | Agrajag- | diomedes: you gotta make OE purge it or something |
| 05:13.52 | cartel_ | 1 hour... pff |
| 05:13.55 | jim | ra21vi: but I'm serious... you would have to install debian yourself to figure out why to use or to not use it |
| 05:13.59 | hardcampa- | cartel_ yeah looking like everybody elses... |
| 05:14.11 | furrywolf | ra21vi: LEARN TO TYPE. "ur" is not a word. nor is "u". nor "dont". if you sound like a moron, act like a moron, .... |
| 05:14.19 | hardcampa- | stfu ffs |
| 05:14.21 | AwesomeMachine | you have to have courage to use sarge |
| 05:14.27 | cartel_ | stfu noob lolololol |
| 05:14.36 | jim | ra21vi: (notice carefully my LACK of trying to tell you which to do) |
| 05:14.39 | cartel_ | stfu n00b roflolololhaxbbq |
| 05:14.51 | jim | bbq! |
| 05:14.56 | spdf | diomedes, In the server properties, there's an option "Remove from server when deleted", or something along those lines.. |
| 05:15.04 | jim | yeah, chicken and shrimp on the bbq! |
| 05:15.21 | cartel_ | the vengeful strikeback mentality of #debian... |
| 05:15.29 | ra21vi | cartel_:- did u tell "Ubuntu" |
| 05:15.45 | spdf | diomedes, I think there's a "Purge deleted messages" in the Edit menu too.. |
| 05:15.47 | Agrajag- | diomedes: but from my experiences with OE, it does a terrible job of IMAP |
| 05:15.49 | diomedes | spdf ta |
| 05:16.01 | bob2 | ra21vi: what's your native language? maybe there's another Debian channel that would be better for you. |
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| 05:16.18 | cartel_ | he appears to be singaporean |
| 05:16.19 | ra21vi | bob2:- Hindi |
| 05:16.23 | ra21vi | do u know |
| 05:16.24 | bob2 | ah |
| 05:16.35 | bob2 | no, sorry, closest is a few words of Malayalm |
| 05:16.36 | diomedes | its not my chioce either but its what they use :-( |
| 05:16.43 | bob2 | er, malayalam |
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| 05:16.51 | cartel_ | ra21vi: sorry? |
| 05:17.03 | shivraj | ravi ?? |
| 05:17.04 | cartel_ | ra21vi: what level english language speaker are you? |
| 05:17.13 | ra21vi | shivraj:- yup |
| 05:17.28 | ra21vi | cartel_:- how many level are there? |
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| 05:17.39 | shivraj | I am indian, but I am from Guyana and speak good english |
| 05:17.41 | Xinux | GIVE ME ALL YOUR SOULS |
| 05:17.41 | Xinux | NOW |
| 05:17.45 | cartel_ | ra21vi: 10 |
| 05:17.55 | cartel_ | where 1 is noob, 8 is native and 10 is Noam Chomsky |
| 05:18.05 | ra21vi | cartel_:- tell me 1 being the poorest or 10, ; |
| 05:18.07 | ra21vi | :) |
| 05:18.14 | cartel_ | ra21vi: 1-10 |
| 05:18.23 | AwesomeMachine | Xinux: did you know abortion is the human race committing genocide against itself |
| 05:18.24 | Xinux | what level am i |
| 05:18.27 | ra21vi | just kidding, |
| 05:18.36 | cartel_ | BELEIVE IN JESUS! |
| 05:18.38 | cartel_ | sorry |
| 05:18.41 | cartel_ | couldnt resist |
| 05:18.45 | spdf | cartel_, great shirt :) |
| 05:18.48 | Xinux | Jesus sucks my penis last night. |
| 05:18.49 | ra21vi | shivraj:- hi, i m from Delhi, and I m in wrong room, as i think |
| 05:19.10 | shivraj | ra21vi : I dont understand most of your questions |
| 05:19.12 | spdf | Do they have apostrophe's in Delhi? |
| 05:19.19 | furrywolf | awesomemachine: do you eat meat? |
| 05:19.20 | cartel_ | no doubt tomorrow ravi will publish his findings, and we will all wonder why debian gets such a bad writeup |
| 05:19.38 | shivraj | ra21vi what do you need help with ? |
| 05:19.41 | cartel_ | spdf: redundant use of apostrophe. -1 mark! |
| 05:20.07 | AwesomeMachine | Xinux: did you know humanity is infected with an autoimmune disorder and the cure is the Catholic Church |
| 05:20.09 | spdf | cartel_, Yeh, I'm bad for it. You don't seem to use them at all though. |
| 05:20.17 | ra21vi | shivraj:- my Question is simple, how to install Anjuta? do u know? using apt-get install anjuta gives me error, |
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| 05:20.33 | Xinux | RELIGION SUX |
| 05:20.37 | furrywolf | awesomemachine: or are you vegetarian? |
| 05:20.48 | shivraj | ra21vi : look on www.debian.org for the correct package name |
| 05:20.49 | furrywolf | awesomemachine: and/or vegan, of course. |
| 05:20.49 | AwesomeMachine | furrywolf: no |
| 05:20.50 | cartel_ | spdf: i haven't had to yet |
| 05:20.56 | Inglorion | Xinux: if religion sucks, why are you a linux user ;-) |
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| 05:20.59 | ra21vi | and I told people in this room that i m using Ubuntu, they fired on me |
| 05:21.00 | cartel_ | the apostrophe should be removed from the english language |
| 05:21.01 | Xinux | Religion was created to hide the darkside of Earth. |
| 05:21.04 | furrywolf | awesomemachine: so you do eat meat then, right? |
| 05:21.05 | shivraj | ra21vi : are you one of those outsourcing people ? |
| 05:21.11 | spdf | cartel_, Oh. I mixed that up. You use them fine. |
| 05:21.11 | ra21vi | and told me to ask in Ubuntu channel |
| 05:21.14 | AwesomeMachine | linux is the Christian os |
| 05:21.21 | deadcat | AwesomeMachine: shutup |
| 05:21.26 | AwesomeMachine | windows=devil |
| 05:21.28 | cartel_ | AwesomeMachine: die |
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| 05:21.47 | ra21vi | shivraj:- means |
| 05:21.50 | maxdot | i'm new to ssh and seem to be having trouble. when i try and connect to mail.comcast.net with ssh, it says it connects fine but whatever i type in, nothing happens? |
| 05:21.56 | shivraj | ra21vi : I dont know, I am pretty new to Debian, .. but its pretty nice, consider installing it |
| 05:22.00 | Ryan_Bonaparde | Any opinions on this mobo? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127188 |
| 05:22.23 | ra21vi | shivraj:- how many other Linux Distros u tried |
| 05:22.47 | shivraj | I used to use linux a long time ago, and used mostly Slackware |
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| 05:23.04 | kooldeb | hi all, any one got UML working under Debian ? |
| 05:23.12 | ec_ | maxdot: how did you come to aquire an ssh account on a comcast server? ;) |
| 05:23.19 | furrywolf | awesomemachine: so why don't you can it with the anti-abortion stuff. the perfectly innocent pig/deer/etc you had slaughtered had feelings, emotions, freinds, and family. yet you went ahead and ate it. but killing an unborn fetus, with far less of a brain and no friends, etc, is evil and wrong? come back when you're a vegan and I might consider listening to you. |
| 05:23.31 | furrywolf | friends |
| 05:23.41 | bob2 | Ryan_Bonaparde: out of curioisty, why are you going for a p4 instead of an amd64? |
| 05:23.45 | maxdot | ec_: good point. comcast doesn't allow such? |
| 05:23.50 | bob2 | kooldeb: it only ever worked for me with a 2.4 host kernel |
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| 05:23.56 | ec_ | no |
| 05:24.04 | kooldeb | bob2: not under 2.6 ? |
| 05:24.09 | ec_ | why would you be able to have shell access to their mail servers? |
| 05:24.23 | bob2 | kooldeb: right, but apparently that is fixed (I haven't checked) |
| 05:24.37 | Ryan_Bonaparde | bob2: Not sure. I've always used a P4. |
| 05:24.56 | kooldeb | bob2: did u install it through apt-get or some other method ? It does not seem to be the easiest program to iinstall |
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| 05:25.05 | maxdot | ec_: i thought it'd be just like telnet except the connection is more secure? |
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| 05:25.23 | maxdot | ec_: so, i could login or use user/pass like usual. :-/ |
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| 05:25.50 | cartel_ | maxdot: with ssh you have to dial into a ssh server, not a mail server |
| 05:25.58 | jair | hello everybody. |
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| 05:26.01 | cartel_ | maxdot: mail.comcast.net would need to be running sshd |
| 05:26.02 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@200.91.94.134] by bob2 |
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| 05:26.21 | bob2 | kooldeb: from people.debian.org/~mdz/ |
| 05:26.24 | Draconicus | I heard there was a religious bickering. |
| 05:26.36 | ra21vi | is Debian i686 optimized? i can't find that |
| 05:26.39 | jair | it exist any transfer share application like "emule" "edonkey" that works in opensource debian? |
| 05:26.42 | cartel_ | maxdot: mail.comcast.net doesnt have port 22 open. |
| 05:26.43 | jair | sarge |
| 05:26.51 | jair | bob2, hello how are you tonigh? |
| 05:27.01 | cartel_ | jair: multiple. amule for starters |
| 05:27.04 | maxdot | cartel_: okay. so i've no choice but to use insecure connections? |
| 05:27.11 | cartel_ | jair: try: apt-cache search donkey |
| 05:27.16 | bob2 | jair: hi |
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| 05:27.20 | jair | cartel_, but it will work with linux? |
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| 05:27.22 | maxdot | ec_/cartel_: thanks for the help. |
| 05:27.23 | kooldeb | bob2: thanks for the website, I am checking it out now |
| 05:27.25 | bob2 | ra21vi: no, it's pointless |
| 05:27.29 | cartel_ | maxdot: are you attempting to read your mail via ssh? |
| 05:27.30 | jair | ohh ok |
| 05:27.34 | cartel_ | jair: yes |
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| 05:27.48 | maxdot | cartel_: read/fetch. whichever. |
| 05:27.49 | dotCOMmie | maxdot: are you trying to set up ssl-pop/ssl-imap? |
| 05:27.58 | ra21vi | bob2:- maybe, but it should be considered for grphical UI use's world |
| 05:28.00 | bob2 | ra21vi: important thingd like SSL and LAPACK automatically use the fastest version at runtime |
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| 05:28.09 | maxdot | dotCOMmie: ssl-pop i'd imagine. |
| 05:28.10 | bob2 | ra21vi: why? |
| 05:28.21 | cartel_ | maxdot: are you not confusing ssh with something like ssl or tls? |
| 05:28.26 | leox | hi, how i add kde to the gdm menu? |
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| 05:28.44 | ra21vi | new extensions and instructions added to improve efficiency and speed |
| 05:28.47 | cartel_ | ra21vi: i686 optimised versions of libraries that make use of processor specific extensions do exist. |
| 05:28.53 | maxdot | cartel_: i think i realize ssh and ssl, etc are different at this point. |
| 05:28.53 | dotCOMmie | maxdot: yeah so you just need an ssl capable mail client there are a buch of them. this has nothing to do with ssh |
| 05:28.59 | kooldeb | bob2: is Debian-3.0r2.ext2.bz2 the one u downloaded ? |
| 05:29.02 | jair | cartel_, but donkey use same servers that emule? |
| 05:29.07 | cartel_ | jair: yes |
| 05:29.13 | jair | cartel_, cool man |
| 05:29.15 | shivraj | I installed the kernel-image-2.6.8-2 kernel and ran liloconf after adding initrd=/initrd.img to lilo.conf |
| 05:29.17 | jair | thank you |
| 05:29.17 | bob2 | kooldeb: I think so |
| 05:29.18 | maxdot | dotCOMmie: would not comcasts mail server need to support ssl? |
| 05:29.20 | cartel_ | jair: emule = edonkey network |
| 05:29.24 | jair | nice |
| 05:29.25 | bob2 | ra21vi: but they don't really "improve efficiency and speed" |
| 05:29.35 | bob2 | ra21vi: in general, anyway |
| 05:29.36 | leox | hi, how i add kde to the gdm menu? |
| 05:29.41 | dotCOMmie | maxdot: it would, they might. I dont use comcast so I wouldnt know. |
| 05:29.43 | shivraj | should that work ?? |
| 05:29.46 | cartel_ | leox: how did you add kde? |
| 05:29.49 | spdf | leos, #gnome #kde |
| 05:29.52 | bob2 | ra21vi: for some things, like openssl, it does matter, and it does it automatically, at runtime |
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| 05:29.56 | kooldeb | bob2: and you had to create a partition and all that stuff I assume, I am going to read the manual, but getting as many ideas from the chan as possible |
| 05:29.58 | cartel_ | s/add/install |
| 05:29.59 | jair | cartel_, it is not this one right: donkey - One Time Password calculator. |
| 05:30.07 | leox | cartel_, yes |
| 05:30.10 | bob2 | kooldeb: partitions? no, I used hostfs. |
| 05:30.24 | cartel_ | leox: no how did you add it? |
| 05:30.25 | furrywolf | the best password security is to not tell users their passwords. :P |
| 05:30.27 | dotCOMmie | maxdot: read what their webpage see if they offer it. if they do use something like thunderbird.. |
| 05:30.28 | jair | it should be --->kmldonkey - KDE GUI for MLDonkey |
| 05:30.33 | ra21vi | bob2:- they do, if u use them, like SIMD improves the streaming very much, like 20 times |
| 05:30.35 | kooldeb | bob2: no clue on that one. Could you please clarify ? |
| 05:30.42 | maxdot | dotCOMmie: thanks for the help. i shall try and ascertain comcasts capablities and proceed with ssl-pop fromt here. |
| 05:30.49 | leox | with apt! |
| 05:31.03 | jair | bob2, do you have some knowledge on samba? |
| 05:31.04 | cartel_ | the streaming, the streaming! |
| 05:31.08 | zinx | ra21vi: what streaming? |
| 05:31.15 | cartel_ | jair what do you need to know about samba? |
| 05:31.21 | jair | ohh cool |
| 05:31.39 | dotCOMmie | maxdot: also, if they offer ssl-imap use that instead of pop. IMAP has more functionality. google and read about their difference. |
| 05:31.45 | leox | cartel_, with apt |
| 05:31.49 | cartel_ | i wager i know most of what there is to know about samba by now |
| 05:31.51 | jair | ok I install the samba and samba-common and ween I was configuring I select tdb.db |
| 05:31.55 | maxdot | dotCOMmie: okay, thanks. |
| 05:31.58 | cartel_ | leox, usually kde adds itself to gdm menu... |
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| 05:32.08 | zinx | ra21vi: there are a very limited number of places SSE/SSE2 can be used |
| 05:32.09 | leox | ok |
| 05:32.09 | cartel_ | jair: yuh |
| 05:32.10 | jair | cartel_, that is cool |
| 05:32.19 | nn | cartel_: then maybe you can get my win2k box to get shares off samba? :) |
| 05:32.21 | zinx | ra21vi: and normally, they must be manually used either via assembler or intrinsics |
| 05:32.33 | cartel_ | nn: maybe |
| 05:32.41 | nn | cartel_: bbiaf tho |
| 05:32.46 | cartel_ | nn: if you pay me what i charge my customers for my samba knowlege :) |
| 05:32.50 | bob2 | ra21vi: please provide benchmarks to show that |
| 05:32.53 | bob2 | ra21vi: or stop spreading lies |
| 05:33.04 | bob2 | kooldeb: read the uml howto, it explains what hostfs is. |
| 05:33.12 | zinx | ra21vi: in debian, there are either alternate versions, or the optimium version is chosen at runtime, when there is significant improvement by using instructions that weren't on i486 |
| 05:33.24 | ra21vi | uh back,whats this |
| 05:33.25 | cartel_ | anyone still using uml, PLEASE PLEASE stop using that pos and migrate to xen. |
| 05:33.25 | kooldeb | bob2: ait thanks |
| 05:33.30 | jair | cartel_, the thing is what is the difference wen I access to the /etc/samba/ I see only te smb.conf and in other ocasions I used to see the file smbpasswd and user something... |
| 05:33.44 | ra21vi | do u want benchmarks? |
| 05:33.53 | bob2 | cartel_: xen isn't a drop in replacement |
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| 05:34.03 | bob2 | cartel_: for instance, it requires me to run a custom host kernel |
| 05:34.07 | furrywolf | cartel: anyone ever mentioned that if you don't know what you're talking about, you might consider not talking? |
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| 05:34.17 | ra21vi | try it on ur own PC. and i386 based & i686 based. |
| 05:34.23 | bob2 | ra21vi: yes, I have |
| 05:34.29 | cartel_ | riiight |
| 05:34.31 | Guerin | cartel_: UML seems just fine to me, from a client's perspective. |
| 05:34.32 | bob2 | ra21vi: gnome is not 20 times faster when compile with -march=o686 |
| 05:34.49 | cartel_ | Guerin: it's fine if performance is a non issue |
| 05:34.55 | cartel_ | furrywolf: ok, sorry to offend |
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| 05:35.09 | ra21vi | o686 isnt the option for architecture in gcc |
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| 05:35.24 | zinx | !troll ra21vi |
| 05:35.33 | ugly | !seen fooz |
| 05:35.33 | dpkg | fooz <~jesus@ip68-224-33-198.lv.lv.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 42d 6h 18m 32s ago, saying: 'toy story'. |
| 05:35.40 | bob2 | ra21vi: i686 |
| 05:35.57 | cartel_ | bob2: this is true |
| 05:36.08 | furrywolf | hmm, this makes it look like uml is many times faster than xen... and doesn't require special modifications. gee, urml sure sucks! |
| 05:36.11 | furrywolf | bbl... soup. |
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| 05:36.29 | cartel_ | bob2: but the ~50% performance boost is worth running a custom kernel no? |
| 05:36.30 | furrywolf | s/urml/uml |
| 05:36.31 | Guerin | i fucking hate single-issue advocacy trolls |
| 05:36.31 | Inglorion | furrywolf: got statistics for that? |
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| 05:36.36 | cartel_ | furrywolf: gack! where are you getting these cool stats? |
| 05:36.46 | bob2 | cartel_: not in all cases |
| 05:36.56 | shivraj | I installed the kernel-image-2.6.8 package and my ethernet isnt working |
| 05:37.00 | ugly | looking at 'tc' syntax makes me want to scratch my eyes |
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| 05:37.07 | ra21vi | let me know if zinx is smart or developers at Intel, why they do digging for new tech and working on P4 or something new |
| 05:37.10 | zinx | ugly: use htb |
| 05:37.14 | cartel_ | ugly: yes tv is evil |
| 05:37.15 | ugly | zinx: I am |
| 05:37.16 | bob2 | cartel_: so, there are good uses for uml |
| 05:37.19 | cartel_ | tc* |
| 05:37.23 | cartel_ | bob2: what are they? |
| 05:37.23 | bob2 | ra21vi: please stop it |
| 05:37.28 | bob2 | ra21vi: you're way out of your depth |
| 05:37.35 | ugly | zinx: afaik, you still need to use 'tc' to use htb ... |
| 05:37.40 | zinx | ugly: it's not -too- bad with htb, though |
| 05:37.43 | bob2 | cartel_: when I don't want a custom kernel. |
| 05:37.46 | zinx | ugly: it's horrible with some of the other schedulers |
| 05:37.49 | cartel_ | bob2: i see |
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| 05:37.56 | ugly | zinx: it's not as bad as CBQ, but still not good :P |
| 05:37.58 | zinosat | I can't get the mouse working in a very minimal environment running kernel 2.4.27. haven't tried fiddling with X configuration since "cat /dev/input/mice" is still mute. Any hints? |
| 05:38.00 | cartel_ | well fair enough... |
| 05:38.11 | kensuke | [C |
| 05:38.11 | kensuke | <Guerin> cartel_: UML seems just fine to me, from a client's perspective. |
| 05:38.11 | kensuke | <bob2> ra21vi: gnome is not 20 times faster when compile with -march=o686 |
| 05:38.11 | kensuke | <cartel_> Guerin: it's fine if performance is a non issue |
| 05:38.11 | kensuke | <cartel_> furrywolf: ok, sorry to offend |
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| 05:38.16 | zinx | ugly: i'd give you the script i use, but it'd probably confuse you more than help :/ |
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| 05:38.19 | ugly | zinx: especially if you're used to the awesome syntax that OpenBSD's pf has :P |
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| 05:38.22 | cartel_ | in situations where you dont want a custom kernel but want a 60% slowdown, then great |
| 05:38.25 | zinx | ugly: hehe :) |
| 05:38.25 | spdf | zinosat, What kind of mouse? |
| 05:38.26 | ugly | zinx: heh I'm reading some examples, etc. |
| 05:38.31 | kensuke | oops |
| 05:38.32 | bob2 | shivraj: did you load the module for it? |
| 05:38.33 | cartel_ | kensuke: re! |
| 05:38.38 | spo0nman | kensuke? |
| 05:38.38 | bob2 | cartel_: er |
| 05:38.38 | spdf | zinosat, Which modules do you have loaded for it? |
| 05:38.43 | bob2 | cartel_: you seem to be missing the point |
| 05:38.47 | bob2 | cartel_: not everyone cares about speed |
| 05:38.48 | maher | cartel_: linode et al find it useful |
| 05:38.58 | cartel_ | hey furrywolf, where is that benchmark? |
| 05:38.58 | bob2 | cartel_: also, have you looked at the register leaks Xen used to have? |
| 05:39.03 | kensuke | hehe, I was trying a mouse thing and I didnt realise bitchx had focus |
| 05:39.04 | kensuke | sorry |
| 05:39.06 | cartel_ | bob2: used to |
| 05:39.16 | bob2 | cartel_: they'vall been fixed? |
| 05:39.16 | zinosat | spdf, my laptop has an usb mouse but I'm running an image of the new installer on qemu (which uses ps2 mouses) |
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| 05:39.30 | cartel_ | bob2: hasnt been an information leak bug for months |
| 05:39.43 | bob2 | wow, mohths without a security hole |
| 05:39.46 | bob2 | that's awesome |
| 05:39.47 | zinosat | spdf, mousedev for sure. I tried a few others as well with no success |
| 05:39.50 | bob2 | you should brag to the openssh people |
| 05:39.58 | cartel_ | sigh :) |
| 05:40.08 | spdf | zinosat, Okay, do you have the hid module loaded? |
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| 05:40.12 | shivraj | help I installd kernel-image-2.6.8 and ethernet stopped working |
| 05:40.14 | cartel_ | ok obviously i offended some uml people for saying that its really slow, so sorry about that |
| 05:40.14 | shivraj | >>>> |
| 05:40.15 | njanabhikshu | is there a channel where i could get ircd specific help ? |
| 05:40.30 | spdf | njanabhikshu, google? |
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| 05:40.53 | bob2 | cartel_: no, you're being stupid, stop it |
| 05:40.54 | maher | cartel_: I'm not offended that its slow - but being slow doesn't mean people don't have a use for it |
| 05:40.57 | zinosat | spdf, no. I'll try to modprobe it and let you know. thanx |
| 05:41.04 | bob2 | cartel_: people are pointing out that they don't care that it is slow |
| 05:41.08 | tarzeau | azeem: morning |
| 05:41.09 | deadcat | !sunday |
| 05:41.09 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 05:41.10 | njanabhikshu | spdf: thanks.. i did that :-) |
| 05:41.14 | burrito | I need some X help, please. |
| 05:41.22 | cartel_ | bob2: thats great |
| 05:41.25 | deadcat | burrito: ask the q |
| 05:41.34 | burrito | X won't find my screen |
| 05:41.40 | burrito | although I set it up properly |
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| 05:42.01 | deadcat | burrito: if you setup properly, then x will work dont you think? |
| 05:42.07 | burrito | indeed |
| 05:42.12 | cartel_ | bob2: just for me, a former uml user turned Xen master, i cant see any reason why anyone would want to run uml when they can run xen. |
| 05:42.15 | Inglorion | burrito: unless it's not connected :p |
| 05:42.16 | deadcat | ok then. problem fixed |
| 05:42.19 | burrito | could it be a problem that I have an integrated card? |
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| 05:42.30 | bob2 | cartel_: because I don't want to recompile my host kernel |
| 05:42.32 | burrito | Inglorion, it's connect I'm looking @ the monitor :/ |
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| 05:42.46 | dotCOMmie | burrito: what card and what driver? |
| 05:42.48 | cartel_ | so i am a xen bigot. my company is working with xensource on xen 3.0. we're getting prerelease vt hardware to find new applications for it |
| 05:42.50 | shivraj | deadcat : my ethernet isnt working with the kernel-2.6.8 image |
| 05:42.52 | bob2 | cartel_: I use uml like once a month, and using a stock kernel is enough of a gain that I'd just go without if the only other option was xen |
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| 05:43.02 | shivraj | is there a module I have to probe ? |
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| 05:43.11 | ra21vi | ok, suppose I m using Debian, and i have downloaded somepackage.deb , i need to install it, how to.... |
| 05:43.12 | Inglorion | burrito: if it's not working, there should be an error message in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 05:43.13 | burrito | dotCOMmie, no idea, Im attempting to do this on an old pentium 1 machine with integrated graphics |
| 05:43.20 | bob2 | ra21vi: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 05:43.25 | cartel_ | bob2: would a contributed xen image that supported all hardware/modules of a stock kernel be a help to you? |
| 05:43.27 | ra21vi | bob2:- ok |
| 05:43.29 | bob2 | ra21vi: but in practice you don't really do that, since apt does it for you |
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| 05:43.30 | ra21vi | thaks |
| 05:43.37 | dotCOMmie | burrito: what does lspci show? |
| 05:43.38 | ra21vi | bob2:- ^thanks * |
| 05:43.49 | zinosat | spdf, "dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386_2.4.27-8_i386.deb | grep hid" finds "./lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/usb/hid.o" I thought I should treat the mouse as if it were a ps2 on qemu |
| 05:43.57 | cartel_ | like a kernel-image-xen-* deb? |
| 05:44.01 | burrito | dotCOMmie, S3 INC Trio |
| 05:44.19 | dotCOMmie | is the driver installed/loaded |
| 05:44.19 | bob2 | cartel_: if it had no slowdown and was updated as ubuntu and debian kernel were, yes |
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| 05:44.31 | spdf | zinosat, psmouse module loaded? |
| 05:44.34 | burrito | dotCOMmie, where do I check? |
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| 05:44.47 | maher | burrito: what X driver are you using |
| 05:44.49 | zinosat | spdf, no, and it's not in the .deb neither |
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| 05:44.58 | burrito | maher, xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:45.04 | cartel_ | bob2: cool. its one of the things i wanted to do for ubuntu, but i actually maintain an internal kernel-source tree that could be easily made to emit debian standard kernel-images |
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| 05:45.07 | maher | burrito: are you using the s3 driver |
| 05:45.18 | Nigel | i seem to have some odd clock skew... a couple of debian packaging tools are warning me about it, as they are creating files 2 minutes in the future... |
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| 05:45.19 | burrito | maher, good question... |
| 05:45.21 | spdf | zinosat, Well, I'm likely mixed up between kernel versions... |
| 05:45.22 | dotCOMmie | burrito: check your kernel and your modules |
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| 05:45.39 | Inglorion | Nigel: is that a multiprocessor system? |
| 05:45.42 | bob2 | Nigel: sudo ntpdate -v pool.ntp.org |
| 05:45.43 | cartel_ | bob2: im not a dd (yet) though so it'll wind up hosted on an external server and/or posted to mailing list |
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| 05:45.50 | zinosat | spdf, maybe not. I'm lost :) |
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| 05:46.37 | cartel_ | bob2: doogie's already done the heavy lifting anyway |
| 05:46.43 | furrywolf | googling shows that xen is faster than uml under some tests, but the reasons why are actually features of uml... for example, one page mentions "uml is slower than xen because xen allows raw disk access and uml doesn't". personally, I consider it a FEATURE that my virtual machine can't clobber raw disks... |
| 05:47.17 | cartel_ | furrywolf: xen also supports file backed vbds just like uml does |
| 05:47.28 | cartel_ | furrywolf: googling doesnt get you the full picture |
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| 05:47.41 | ra21vi | ok guys thanks for the help and support, time to go |
| 05:47.49 | maher | lets all use the virtualization tools of our choice and have a group hug |
| 05:47.50 | ra21vi | bob2:- thanks for the help |
| 05:47.54 | Nigel | bob2: still there... |
| 05:47.57 | Nigel | Inglorion: no, single |
| 05:48.00 | furrywolf | cartel: yes, but then I suspect it wouldn't do quite as well in the disk benchmarks, would it? :P |
| 05:48.41 | dragonfly | what drivers do i need for a REALTEK ALC860 sound card? |
| 05:48.46 | cartel_ | furrywolf: actually the benchmarks here (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/performance.html) used file backed vbds |
| 05:48.57 | shivraj | my ethernet card isnt working with the kernel-2.6.8 image anyone know ? |
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| 05:49.08 | bob2 | Nigel: ? |
| 05:49.13 | maher | shivraj: do you know what driver it needs |
| 05:49.14 | bob2 | shivraj: did you load the driver for it or not? |
| 05:49.15 | shivraj | I have an ibm t20 |
| 05:49.18 | shivraj | its a 3com card |
| 05:49.21 | shivraj | is there a module ? |
| 05:49.25 | dotCOMmie | shivraj: install appropriate module or compile your own kernel |
| 05:49.26 | furrywolf | cartel: I trust no benchmarks provided by people associated with the product. way, way too easy to "adjust" them. |
| 05:49.47 | shivraj | thing is I think it worked before with this kernel |
| 05:49.49 | Nigel | bob2: i've still got some mystry clock skew |
| 05:50.02 | cartel_ | furrywolf: fair enough, for a fair comparison why dont you try installing xen and testing it out for yourself :) |
| 05:50.11 | bob2 | Nigel: er, that's odd |
| 05:50.13 | cartel_ | furrywolf: i used to use uml too remember... |
| 05:50.19 | bob2 | shivraj: what kernell did you use before? |
| 05:50.23 | cartel_ | furrywolf: i moved to xen for a reason :) |
| 05:50.27 | Nigel | make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. |
| 05:50.32 | furrywolf | my favorite is the m$ "study" that found that windows 2000 did 33% better then linux at some task or another... then it turned out they were using a non-SMP linux kernel, and it was a 4 way box. so the actual result was "linux only lost by 33% when running with 1/4 the cpu power". |
| 05:51.01 | bob2 | Nigel: that will happen if you change the clock under make |
| 05:51.04 | cartel_ | furrywolf: ill try and find you some impartial benchmarks shall i? |
| 05:51.06 | Inglorion | Nigel: is it just for one make, or does it hoppen more often? |
| 05:51.15 | dragonfly | what drivers do i need for a REALTEK ALC860 sound card? |
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| 05:51.25 | shivraj | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 05:51.25 | furrywolf | dragonfly: 1) don't repeat. 2) google. |
| 05:51.29 | shivraj | I think its the same one |
| 05:51.41 | furrywolf | bbl, microwave dinged, soup is done. |
| 05:51.45 | spdf | dragonfly, the driver that stops you from asking twice.. |
| 05:51.45 | maher | shivraj: why don't you just use the last kernel that worked |
| 05:51.47 | Nigel | Inglorion: everytime, if i'm doing it thru: "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" |
| 05:51.54 | bob2 | dragonfly: it sounds like dodgyu snd-i8x0 |
| 05:52.03 | shivraj | its 2.20 !! need sound support |
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| 05:52.11 | shivraj | and possible bluetooth support |
| 05:52.24 | bob2 | shivraj: so, install hotplug, and reboot |
| 05:52.26 | Inglorion | Nigel: meaning not when you just run make without dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 05:52.29 | maher | shivraj: use lspci and google to find what driver you need |
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| 05:52.59 | Nigel | Inglorion: not that i've noticed |
| 05:53.19 | Inglorion | Nigel: and if you run date a few times in quick succession, do you notice anything weird? |
| 05:53.34 | zinosat | spdf, thanx for your help, gotta go to work :( I'll be back |
| 05:53.59 | Nigel | Inglorion: nope... |
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| 05:54.41 | Inglorion | Nigel: puzzling...I don't think dpkg-buildpackage has any business fiddling with the clock |
| 05:54.53 | burrito | d = 13? |
| 05:55.24 | Nigel | ditto, i might submit a bug |
| 05:55.32 | cartel_ | Inglorion: its make that checks the clock |
| 05:55.34 | cartel_ | not dpkg |
| 05:55.58 | cartel_ | the clock skew detected is when make detects a file with a timestamp dated in the future |
| 05:56.01 | Inglorion | cartel_: i know, but Nigel says it works fine if he runs make, but if make is run through dpkg, it goes awry |
| 05:56.10 | cartel_ | really? |
| 05:56.12 | dotCOMmie | I might be asking for the impossible, is it possible to install packages without computing dependencies and other junk. |
| 05:56.31 | cartel_ | maybe it is make soft erroring and dpkg-buildpackage barfing on a nonfatal error |
| 05:56.35 | Nigel | well something in between dpkg-buildpackage, fakeroot, and make is causing a problem |
| 05:56.42 | cartel_ | dotCOMmie: --force-depends? |
| 05:56.44 | Nigel | thankfully it's non-fatal |
| 05:56.45 | ec_ | dotCOMmie: why would you want to do that? |
| 05:56.46 | Inglorion | cartel_: and as I said, I don't think dpkg should be fiddling with the clock, so I don't know what couses |
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| 05:56.57 | ec_ | prepared to get very screwed up |
| 05:56.59 | ethics | BOB2 DRAGONFLY'S CHIPSET IS IN THE ICH4/5/6 MODULES WHICH NEEDS A SOURCE UPGRADE |
| 05:57.08 | ethics | bob2 sorry caps |
| 05:57.09 | cartel_ | ETHICS DONT YELL |
| 05:57.14 | cartel_ | thankyou |
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| 05:57.19 | bob2 | wtf |
| 05:57.21 | Inglorion | anyway, my only experience is on a multi-cpu system which was fixed by using a different kernel |
| 05:57.23 | ethics | sorry all damn capsloc between kvm switches |
| 05:57.42 | ethics | !tell dragonfly about ich6 |
| 05:58.00 | cartel_ | ethics: thanks. "I HAVE TOURETTES" is another valid excuse |
| 05:58.15 | dotCOMmie | ec_: I was hoping no one would ask. Computing dependencies on old machine (486 8MB ram) takes for ever. ofcourse I'd only do this for dummy pacakages and those which I make myself |
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| 05:58.30 | Nigel | actually, i wonder if it is fakeroot causing the problem |
| 05:58.34 | cartel_ | dotCOMmie: --force-depends will in all likelihood still check dependencies, not saving you any time |
| 05:58.51 | dotCOMmie | cartel_: yeah, I was thinking that d: |
| 05:58.54 | Nigel | maybe not... |
| 05:59.22 | cartel_ | Nigel: i think it is dpkg-buildpackage having a cry over a make warning |
| 05:59.35 | Inglorion | Nigel: so try fakeroot date a number of times in a row |
| 05:59.36 | cartel_ | Nigel: do you still see the clock skew messages doing a standard make? |
| 05:59.43 | Inglorion | Nigel: but I don't think it's that either |
| 05:59.56 | shivraj | how do I install a driver under /lib/modules/drivers ? |
| 05:59.57 | ethics | bob2: JFYI alc860 /ich4/ich5/ich/any intel high definition chipset...(915/925 chipset boards and others) use alsa 1.0.8 (alsa-source in testing) its snd-azx driver but in 1.0.9 it is back to intel8x0 i beleive |
| 06:00.17 | Inglorion | Nigel: maybe it's just that the source (or batches) are b0rked? |
| 06:00.19 | shivraj | and they end in .ko why is that ? |
| 06:00.27 | maher | shivraj: did you install hotplug? |
| 06:00.31 | Nigel | it's only a small warning, dpkg is not really complaining, although it does break a couple of other programs when i try to verify the deb... |
| 06:00.32 | cartel_ | shivraj: kernel object (module) |
| 06:00.40 | shivraj | no internet access |
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| 06:00.46 | shivraj | how am I gonna install it ? |
| 06:00.54 | maher | shivraj: try modprobe modulename |
| 06:00.57 | cartel_ | shivraj, give it internet access? |
| 06:01.11 | ethics | punchcard reader? |
| 06:01.19 | dotCOMmie | hah |
| 06:01.19 | ethics | 5.1/4 ? |
| 06:01.20 | shivraj | I am trying to install the ethernet card |
| 06:01.30 | Inglorion | alright, that's it. I spell so badly, i better get some sleep |
| 06:01.30 | maher | shivraj: what driver does it need |
| 06:01.51 | cartel_ | shivraj: what kind of card ? |
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| 06:02.13 | shivraj | 3com556 |
| 06:02.14 | ethics | shivraj, and is this a laptop or desktop? |
| 06:02.18 | shivraj | thats what lspci says |
| 06:02.22 | shivraj | laptop |
| 06:02.23 | cartel_ | 3c556???? |
| 06:02.29 | boris`` | debian sucks. |
| 06:02.39 | liable | shivraj: cant you boot into your old kernel and install hotplug? |
| 06:02.43 | cartel_ | try: modprobe 3c59x |
| 06:02.50 | cartel_ | boris``: trolls suck. |
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| 06:03.01 | shivraj | possibly if I edit lilo.conf |
| 06:03.04 | dotCOMmie | boris``: perhaps you'r looking for #0mgredhatr0x |
| 06:03.04 | boris`` | cartel_: you wish |
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| 06:03.24 | liable | boris``: please stop it, or go. |
| 06:03.32 | cartel_ | boris``: i dont need you to suck, ive got debian. |
| 06:03.41 | cartel_ | boris``: therefore you are obseleted. |
| 06:03.47 | maher | cartel_: nice |
| 06:03.55 | boris`` | i have to agree, that was nice |
| 06:03.59 | ethics | 3c556 is a combo card....the modem prolly wont work...network maybe..... |
| 06:04.08 | burrito | rofl |
| 06:04.15 | Nigel | boris``: troll 2.1 "Replaces: boris``" |
| 06:04.16 | todd` | network does with the 3c59x |
| 06:04.17 | ugly | you guys are only marginally more witty than boris``'s drivel |
| 06:04.18 | burrito | now when I startx; the screen goes black and nothing happens |
| 06:04.18 | todd` | i have the same thing |
| 06:04.26 | Nigel | so lets all apt-get install troll ;) |
| 06:04.34 | boris`` | ugly: i wasn't trying to be witty, sir. |
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| 06:04.41 | cartel_ | The NIC part of this MiniPCI Combo card (often found in laptops) works very well with the 3c59x driver |
| 06:04.48 | ugly | boris``: that's more than obvious |
| 06:04.52 | dotCOMmie | burrito: install the DRIVER |
| 06:04.54 | todd` | way to copy from a webpage on google |
| 06:04.59 | ethics | !minipci |
| 06:05.00 | liable | shivraj: well, did you modprobe it? |
| 06:05.02 | ugly | boris``: and certainly wasn't implied by what I said... |
| 06:05.04 | cartel_ | shivraj: type: modprobe 3c59x |
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| 06:05.08 | burrito | dotCOMmie, it is installed |
| 06:05.15 | boris`` | ugly: actually, it wasn't, rather the opposite was. |
| 06:05.17 | burrito | lol |
| 06:05.26 | cartel_ | then you should be able to configure your network card in the standard manner. try: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:05.33 | shivraj | I did modprobe 3com59x.ko it says module not found |
| 06:05.38 | shivraj | or file not found |
| 06:05.51 | cartel_ | shivraj: modprobe 3c59x |
| 06:05.51 | ethics | dont add .ko |
| 06:06.00 | cartel_ | i didnt say 3com59x.ko |
| 06:06.01 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.01 | dotCOMmie | burrito: read logs see whats going on |
| 06:06.05 | ethics | as in do not...as in type exactly hehe |
| 06:06.13 | liable | 'modprobe 3c59x' |
| 06:06.14 | cartel_ | shivraj: put your .ko files in /lib/modules/blah please |
| 06:06.23 | burrito | dotCOMmie, should I just uninstall xfree86 and try xorg? |
| 06:06.33 | cartel_ | shivraj: and run update-modules |
| 06:06.47 | cartel_ | burrito: xorg is not supported in debian |
| 06:06.55 | cartel_ | burrito: blame slackass branden |
| 06:06.55 | burrito | oh that is a bitch |
| 06:06.57 | liable | isnt that module, standard build? |
| 06:06.59 | burrito | go gentoo |
| 06:07.03 | burrito | fuck debian |
| 06:07.17 | dotCOMmie | cartel_: xorg isnt? when will it be? |
| 06:07.19 | shivraj | cartel_ : you're the man, it works |
| 06:07.27 | liable | burrito: good, now just /part :) |
| 06:07.28 | cartel_ | dotCOMmie: sarge + 1 (etch) |
| 06:07.40 | burrito | yep |
| 06:07.41 | burrito | kthx |
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| 06:08.01 | cartel_ | dotCOMmie: basically he couldnt get it together in time, now we are stuck with xfree 4.3 until doomsday |
| 06:08.17 | liable | !tell spdf about away |
| 06:08.19 | nn | cartel_: how to check smb shares on a samba box? :) |
| 06:08.24 | shivraj | cartel_ so what do I put in /etc/modules for it to load at startup ? |
| 06:08.28 | cartel_ | nn: smbclient -L |
| 06:08.28 | boris`` | but seriously guys |
| 06:08.28 | spdf | liable, yeh yeh.. I know.. I'm fixing it :) |
| 06:08.30 | boris`` | debian sucks. |
| 06:08.35 | liable | spdf: heh |
| 06:08.36 | cartel_ | shivraj: just 3c59x |
| 06:08.52 | cartel_ | shivraj: echo 3c59x >> /etc/modules |
| 06:08.59 | nn | cartel_: -L, thanks |
| 06:09.08 | spdf | hmm.. |
| 06:09.15 | shivraj | cartel_ : ok done, thanks for your help |
| 06:09.15 | nn | dhcp + named solves smb/dns name issue |
| 06:09.15 | dotCOMmie | cartel_: thanks for info, good to know. |
| 06:09.27 | cartel_ | wow 3 thanks in 1 second |
| 06:09.29 | cartel_ | :) |
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| 06:09.41 | liable | cartel_: tnx :) |
| 06:09.42 | nn | cartel_: how to set the samba hostname? :) |
| 06:09.45 | nn | tha'ts my problem |
| 06:10.01 | cartel_ | nn: man smb.conf |
| 06:10.01 | nn | cartel_: saw the Ignoring unknown parameter "hostname" |
| 06:10.03 | cartel_ | heres a hint |
| 06:10.12 | nn | cartel_: my smb.conf says hostname = :) |
| 06:10.15 | cartel_ | "netbios name" |
| 06:10.22 | nn | cartel_: Ahhh, netbios name |
| 06:10.32 | cartel_ | so try "netbios name = yourmom" |
| 06:10.36 | nn | I'm betting my manpage is mismatched, been tracking cvs for a while |
| 06:10.54 | nn | cartel_: yea netbios name = nas01 |
| 06:10.59 | nn | that'll fix it |
| 06:11.03 | cartel_ | :) |
| 06:11.09 | cartel_ | Nigel: pays for what? |
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| 06:11.32 | Nigel | cartel_: people to say that magic word... |
| 06:11.37 | nn | cartel_: that fixed it :) |
| 06:11.44 | cartel_ | nn: sweet :) |
| 06:11.45 | nn | smbclient showed the error |
| 06:11.52 | nn | whereas samba didn't log it |
| 06:12.04 | nn | so smbd was ignoring my setting the name for it ;) |
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| 06:12.12 | boris`` | by the way |
| 06:12.14 | boris`` | debian sucks. |
| 06:12.33 | Nigel | !ops boris`` trolling ;) |
| 06:12.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: boris`` trolling ;) |
| 06:12.42 | cartel_ | can someone please remove this maggot |
| 06:12.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 06:12.48 | cartel_ | thanks |
| 06:12.52 | boris`` | please, remove me |
| 06:12.54 | *** kick/#debian [boris``!foobar@p5481BCBF.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 06:12.54 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpe-69-201-66-80.twcny.res.rr.com] by caphuso |
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| 06:12.59 | liable | boris``: why do you do this, it benifits absolutely no one |
| 06:13.03 | cartel_ | looks like he got his wish |
| 06:13.11 | cartel_ | thanks caphuso |
| 06:13.22 | liable | wanker |
| 06:13.38 | dotCOMmie | debian rox! |
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| 06:13.52 | dotCOMmie | does that work the opposite and make me an op? |
| 06:13.54 | dotCOMmie | d: |
| 06:14.10 | Nigel | thanks caphuso: he was getting to be v.annoying |
| 06:14.13 | shivraj_ | cartel_ : now I need sound support ;)_ |
| 06:14.23 | shivraj_ | cartel_ : but I dont see any sound drivers |
| 06:14.26 | cartel_ | shivraj_: read the alsa howto |
| 06:14.32 | Nigel | hmmmm there is now distro's branching off ubuntu? |
| 06:14.46 | cartel_ | Nigel: there are? |
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| 06:15.01 | ethics | shivraj: what soundcard? |
| 06:15.11 | nn | cartel_: hmm now to get wins fixd :) |
| 06:15.20 | cartel_ | shivraj_: sorry i dont really have time for your sound problem |
| 06:15.20 | nn | bbiaf :) |
| 06:15.25 | cartel_ | nn: lol |
| 06:15.57 | shivraj_ | crystal sound fusion |
| 06:16.00 | Nigel | cartel_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/guadalinex used to dirive off debian... |
| 06:16.26 | cartel_ | i thought guaalinex is a desktop system |
| 06:17.37 | shivraj_ | cartel_ : alsa found it, now lets see if it works :)))) |
| 06:17.40 | cartel_ | debian's turnaround time was too much for it |
| 06:18.04 | cartel_ | debian begat ubuntu begat guadalinex... |
| 06:19.06 | cartel_ | i like ubuntu, but they cut too many corners |
| 06:19.29 | cartel_ | its ok as a desktop |
| 06:19.37 | shivraj_ | too many linux distros |
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| 06:19.48 | cartel_ | not enough developer support |
| 06:20.02 | cartel_ | sloppy tactics by their internal taskforces |
| 06:20.14 | Nigel | what get me, is ubuntu users flame debian... but they are basicly using debian... |
| 06:20.18 | cartel_ | e.g ubuntu kernel-source cannot be reversed into vanilla patch |
| 06:20.21 | shivraj_ | everyone should use debian, (and my ISP) |
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| 06:20.36 | cartel_ | nor can vanilla be patched up to ubuntu kernel-source |
| 06:20.50 | Nigel | debian is used by most ISP's in NZ... |
| 06:20.51 | cartel_ | Nigel: the #1 issue with debian is slow turnaround time compared to other distros |
| 06:21.09 | Nigel | cartel_: yeah, that's probally the biggest problem |
| 06:21.24 | Agrajag- | i dont think that's necessarily a problem |
| 06:21.26 | cartel_ | Nigel: i know of one ISP who tried to test redhat, and their vanilla redhat box got owned during installation |
| 06:21.36 | dotCOMmie | whats there to turn around? |
| 06:21.37 | Agrajag- | depending what you're using it for, it can be a good thing or bad |
| 06:21.38 | kapitol | anybody know much about qmail? cos I can send from it, but when I send to accounts i have setup, it bouces with the error "The message could not be delivered because the recipient's destination email system is unknown or invalid" |
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| 06:22.16 | cartel_ | Agrajag-: the latest stable debian contains kde 2.2 for fracks sake |
| 06:22.26 | Agrajag- | cartel_: so what? |
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| 06:22.28 | spdf | cartel_, not for long.. |
| 06:22.31 | dotCOMmie | I mean debian is just a bunch of packages.. just run apt-get upgrade why do you need official releases? |
| 06:22.36 | cartel_ | Agrajag-: people want the latest and greatest not last years leftovers |
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| 06:22.45 | Agrajag- | cartel_: if you're using debian as a server you a) wont need kde b) will like stable software |
| 06:22.56 | cartel_ | spdf: no, soon it will be running kde 3.3, obselete from day 1... |
| 06:23.01 | Nigel | dotCOMmie: because, ISP's etc want "stable" |
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| 06:23.12 | cat | Kde on a server? wtf? is that/ |
| 06:23.25 | dotCOMmie | Nigel: Stable with newer packages you mean? |
| 06:23.34 | cartel_ | Agrajag-: but when im running debian as a server, i get outdated versions of software packages |
| 06:23.38 | Guerin | cartel_: irrelevant, since within a few months sarge will be deployed nowhere which needs a bleeding edge desktop. |
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| 06:23.54 | shelby | I need help getting alsa to work with my sound card |
| 06:23.56 | cat | there's woody stable unstable sid and testing sarge |
| 06:24.03 | cartel_ | bear in mind im playing devils advocate here |
| 06:24.03 | cat | shelby: sound card? |
| 06:24.05 | Nigel | well basicly, current stable is nearly unstable, because it's so old it's nearly falling apart (so i hear) |
| 06:24.07 | Guerin | cartel_: That's what 'stable' means: doesn't change. |
| 06:24.10 | liable | shelby: more info |
| 06:24.11 | shelby | emu10k1 is modprobe'd, alsa-base is installed, and I ran alsaconf |
| 06:24.19 | shelby | liable, was workin on it ;P |
| 06:24.23 | liable | heh |
| 06:24.25 | ethics | if i had a choice between sitting down at a debain box, and unbutu box and a win xp box....id go debian xp then unbutu but thats only because my xp box is more stable than their install on my system at home |
| 06:24.27 | shivraj_ | Im trying to play an mp3 with mpg123 and it says can't find a suitable libao driver |
| 06:24.29 | shelby | alsaconf found the card |
| 06:24.29 | cartel_ | i use debian for all my servers so im not coming from the server front |
| 06:24.30 | shivraj_ | just installed alsa |
| 06:24.46 | cartel_ | i used to use debian on my workstation too |
| 06:24.48 | Guerin | cartel_: you're playing trollbait; we get this all the fucking time, and you're not introducing anything even remotely interesting or new to the discussion. |
| 06:24.48 | Nigel | Guerin: apparently mission critical packages have been pulled from woody |
| 06:24.57 | shelby | cat, it's a SB Audigy Gamer |
| 06:24.57 | Guerin | Nigel: example? |
| 06:25.10 | cat | shelby: did you do adduser username audio? |
| 06:25.25 | liable | shelby: and then what, after alsaconf |
| 06:25.27 | cat | and did it worked? or alsa doesn't detect it? |
| 06:25.28 | dotCOMmie | so the move away from "stable" "testing" "unstable" to codenames is to remove the misconception about what is being offered? |
| 06:25.31 | Nigel | Guerin: they were talking about it in a Sarge RC bug... |
| 06:25.35 | shelby | cat, already a member |
| 06:25.39 | cat | ok, |
| 06:25.53 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: there is no move away from 'stable' 'testing' and 'unstable' |
| 06:25.54 | shelby | liable, tried to turn up the volume, but the volume bar kept going back down to the bottom |
| 06:25.59 | cat | shelby: do this then apt-get install aumix and try if you can open up the mixer |
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| 06:26.13 | dotCOMmie | Guerin: I guess I mean the codenames in general? |
| 06:26.15 | liable | shelby: does it say <mm> at the bottom? |
| 06:26.29 | shelby | vision:/home/shelby# aumix |
| 06:26.29 | cat | dotCOMmie: there was an update, with stable but only the security, updates and that's about it |
| 06:26.29 | shelby | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 06:26.30 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: don't guess; know what you mean, and say it clearly. |
| 06:26.32 | cat | read the debian news |
| 06:26.38 | Nigel | Guerin: they can't really upgrade the kernel (even if security requires it) apparently, because packages have become broken and started falling apart... |
| 06:26.40 | kensuke | does any one know, if I set the speed of my cdrom drive to slightly slower using setcd ... will it help if Im having a hassel copying large files from cd ? |
| 06:26.48 | shelby | liable, I'm just using the default gnome volume control |
| 06:26.49 | cat | shelby: interesting what kernel? |
| 06:26.52 | liable | shelby: try alsamixer |
| 06:26.59 | shivraj_ | why do I have to do sudo mpg123 *.mp3 to play an mp3 ? |
| 06:27.03 | Guerin | Nigel: i know of the problems with woody security. |
| 06:27.05 | shelby | cat, 2.6.8 |
| 06:27.08 | shelby | default testing kernel |
| 06:27.10 | ethics | shelby theres a setting to use alsa in the volume control |
| 06:27.13 | cat | oh nice |
| 06:27.26 | Guerin | shivraj_: you haven't got shit set up right. |
| 06:27.27 | shelby | liable, says "no such device" |
| 06:27.29 | cat | shelby: then do apt-get install modconf and then type modconf and see you'r sound card if it's listed it there |
| 06:27.33 | ethics | shelby its arts or esd initially i thinks |
| 06:27.46 | shelby | ethics, I have this same thing on my other computer, Audigy 2, didn't have this issue |
| 06:27.51 | liable | shelby: you have alsa-utils installed? |
| 06:27.59 | cat | shivraj_: just do mp3blaster or xmms and that's it |
| 06:28.02 | shelby | liable, came with the alsa-base package |
| 06:28.04 | Guerin | no |
| 06:28.13 | Guerin | never test with mp3blaster or xmms |
| 06:28.20 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 06:28.20 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 06:28.25 | cat | well, mp3blaster i used it, |
| 06:28.27 | Guerin | always test with THAT ^^^ |
| 06:28.33 | shivraj_ | Guerin : hehe, as long as I can hear sound, :) sudo rocks!!! |
| 06:28.39 | cat | but i don't really like mp3blaster i just like xmms and that's about it |
| 06:28.44 | Guerin | shivraj_: added your user to 'audio' |
| 06:28.45 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:28.59 | cartel_ | Guerin: sorry you think my argument was trollbait. I was just saying that with Debian i have no middleground: i can either stick with outdated packages, or use a moving target like testing or sid and get 100 meg of updates every day and spend half my time fixing the upgrades |
| 06:28.59 | shivraj_ | Guerin : ok |
| 06:29.01 | cat | possitive |
| 06:29.01 | liable | Guerin: should be /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 06:29.15 | liable | Guerin: ignore |
| 06:29.27 | Guerin | cartel_: if you're running a server which needs to be stable, why are new packages of concern to you? |
| 06:29.38 | Guerin | liable: can be any arbitrary file |
| 06:29.43 | cat | a server with sid i don't really get it, the server dude is not about applications is about taking care of the server, |
| 06:29.43 | cartel_ | Guerin: im talking about workstations now |
| 06:29.45 | shelby | cat, there is a + next to snd-emu10k1 |
| 06:30.00 | cat | shelby: ok,,, shelby are you running X? |
| 06:30.05 | Guerin | cartel_: if you're running a workstation which needs to be stable, why are new packages of concern to you? |
| 06:30.05 | shelby | cat, yes |
| 06:30.15 | cartel_ | Guerin: most of my server systems run backported packages too |
| 06:30.20 | cat | shelby: go to google.com/linux and look up you'r sound card |
| 06:30.25 | liable | shelby: are you sure alsaconf configured it? |
| 06:30.30 | shelby | liable, yes |
| 06:30.35 | cartel_ | Guerin: fixing bugs in my desktop environment for instance is important to me |
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| 06:30.50 | spdf | shelby, Restarted since you did alsaconf? |
| 06:31.05 | liable | shelby: do it again, then run alsamixer |
| 06:31.09 | shelby | spdf, nope |
| 06:31.09 | cat | cartel_: do this closed port 15 and shut up |
| 06:31.09 | Guerin | cartel_: testing is stable enough and robust enough and new enough for practically all desktop usage. The only exceptions would be circumstances where the UI must NE |
| 06:31.18 | Guerin | VER change, for which stable is ideal. |
| 06:31.31 | spdf | shelby, Perhaps some non-alsa modules are loaded... run lsmod, and cut/paste it into #flood |
| 06:31.32 | cartel_ | Guerin: do you use testing on your desktop? |
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| 06:31.56 | Guerin | cartel_: no, I use unstable on mine. But I *HAVE* used it extensively on desktops. |
| 06:32.06 | Guerin | cartel_: and on servers. |
| 06:32.20 | colk | the darn usb card was loose |
| 06:32.21 | cartel_ | Guerin: wow, unstable. i used to use unstable at home, what a mish to keep up with updates :) |
| 06:32.31 | shelby | spdf, snd_emu10k1 is right at the top |
| 06:32.34 | cartel_ | Guerin: i have a few servers running sarge |
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| 06:32.35 | Guerin | cartel_: bugwise, or bandwidth-wise? |
| 06:32.43 | cartel_ | Guerin: both |
| 06:32.48 | cat | shelby: those are not the drivers for you'r sound card tell you right now |
| 06:32.56 | cartel_ | its been a few years since i ran sid though, maybe things have changed |
| 06:33.03 | shelby | cat, then... what are? |
| 06:33.18 | Guerin | cartel_: unstable is strictly for developers, testers and lunatics. |
| 06:33.19 | cat | shelby: google.com/linux search up you'r sound card |
| 06:33.21 | spdf | shelby, Audigy 2 right? |
| 06:33.28 | cartel_ | actually... i built an nx server using sid, so i could demo kde 3.4 |
| 06:33.31 | cat | and check if the kernel has the moduled that you'r looking for |
| 06:33.34 | cartel_ | that lasted about 3 days ;p |
| 06:33.36 | sigkilla | does anybody know how to adjust the capture source in ALSA, to capture the /dev/dsp audio stream for instance? |
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| 06:33.44 | mwilson | You know... where do people get this stupidity? I've got three unstable boxen at home, one gets updated whenever I think about it, the other two haven't been updated in a couple of months, and they haven't mysteriously died. |
| 06:33.54 | shelby | spdf, no, just an Audigy |
| 06:33.59 | Guerin | sigkilla: alsamixer, hit F5 for all channels |
| 06:34.06 | shelby | cat, I am, I'm not seeing much |
| 06:34.08 | colk | audigy is an emu10k1 card |
| 06:34.18 | cat | keep on reading, or go to www.kernel.org |
| 06:34.23 | colk | do you have snd-pcm-oss |
| 06:34.25 | colk | loaded |
| 06:34.25 | spdf | shelby, Going to paste lsmod? |
| 06:34.25 | sigkilla | guerin: it seems to always capture the mic |
| 06:34.35 | Guerin | sigkilla: that's because you haven't told it not to. |
| 06:34.37 | sigkilla | guerin: i don't want the external noise |
| 06:34.39 | cat | and check there if they have it on the new kernels |
| 06:34.41 | sigkilla | ok |
| 06:34.51 | cartel_ | mwilson: from experience :) |
| 06:34.54 | shelby | spdf, okay, hold |
| 06:35.17 | sigkilla | guerin: f5 closes alsamixer under aterm, should i try at console, or use alsamixer -V capture or wut |
| 06:35.23 | cartel_ | i know ive lost a few workdays to upgrading sarge |
| 06:35.32 | cat | sigkilla: man alsamixer and check |
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| 06:35.43 | mwilson | cartel_: That's your problem. |
| 06:35.48 | Guerin | mwilson: in fairness, you probably read apt-listbugs output, and the warnings given to you when packages upgrade... which is rather more than most |
| 06:35.57 | Guerin | sigkilla: your windowmanager is horribly broken. |
| 06:36.13 | Guerin | cartel_: wtf. |
| 06:36.21 | mwilson | Guerin: Uh, well, yeah, although you missed the point just like he did. |
| 06:36.37 | cartel_ | its usually something like: i need to install package x, which has been deleted on mirrors due to a new upload. apt-update to get the new package lists. apt-get install package x, which depends on new versions of w and y, which breaks package z. |
| 06:36.40 | mwilson | Guerin: Doesn't anyone intelligent actually pay attention when they upgrade a testing/unstable box? |
| 06:36.48 | shelby | spdf, pasted |
| 06:36.49 | sigkilla | fluxbox defaults i think for f5 |
| 06:36.49 | Guerin | it NEVER takes me a whole day to fix breakage, even with my sarge+sid+experimental+3rdparty setup |
| 06:36.57 | Guerin | mwilson: yes. I see. |
| 06:37.14 | Guerin | a single keystroke to close a window? that's broken. |
| 06:37.19 | cartel_ | Guerin: you're lucky |
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| 06:37.41 | Guerin | cartel_: no I'm not. I'm careful, and skilled. |
| 06:37.46 | Guerin | in that order |
| 06:37.52 | mwilson | Guerin: I know most don't... given the whiners that show up whenever the 'dist-upgrade' they've stupidly launched removes a package. |
| 06:38.00 | cartel_ | so am i :) |
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| 06:38.08 | cartel_ | but the fact remains, i still lose time to it |
| 06:38.14 | sigkilla | guerin: even at console, f5 just closes alsamixer |
| 06:38.18 | raf256 | what is the most nice way to add few options to kernel and recompile it? (badin on same version and same .config settings as I currently have from apt-get kernel-image-*) ? |
| 06:38.26 | shivraj_ | I just installed X using the directions from dpkg(bot) |
| 06:38.27 | raf256 | s/badin/basing |
| 06:38.29 | mwilson | cartel_: Which is entirely your own fault. |
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| 06:38.38 | shivraj_ | I did startx and its not starting |
| 06:38.51 | liable | raf256: why, whats the need? |
| 06:38.51 | shivraj_ | I have a base system, and Im adding packages as needed |
| 06:39.10 | Guerin | sigkilla: wtf... try f4, which shows capture channels |
| 06:39.10 | liable | shivraj_: what wm, do you want |
| 06:39.27 | Guerin | shivraj_: what happen? |
| 06:39.29 | raf256 | liable: wanted to add few options like hiresoultion timer (HPTE?) cryptoloop/devicemapper and just play around |
| 06:39.42 | shivraj_ | openbox |
| 06:39.45 | spdf | shelby, which version of alsa? |
| 06:39.59 | shelby | the latest? I just apt-got it |
| 06:40.01 | liable | raf256: not in default? |
| 06:40.04 | Guerin | !latest |
| 06:40.04 | dpkg | somebody said newest was For your Debian, say "3.0", "Sarge",similar. |
| 06:40.05 | shelby | and I'm not sure how to check versions |
| 06:40.10 | Guerin | graah |
| 06:40.16 | Guerin | who broke the latest factoid? |
| 06:40.18 | spdf | shelby, Sarge/Sid? |
| 06:40.20 | shelby | okay, then, sarge |
| 06:40.22 | shelby | sorry |
| 06:40.34 | raf256 | liable: hmm well anyway I would like to playaround with tweaking the kernel |
| 06:40.44 | cartel_ | mwilson: ok, i accept that its my fault that i cant hold information about 8000 packages in my head, nor can i automatically update my brain |
| 06:41.02 | liable | raf256: just copy the config, make menuconfig, add what you want, run make-kpkg |
| 06:41.18 | shivraj_ | Guerin : Im trying to install xfree86 |
| 06:42.01 | mwilson | cartel_: No, it's your fault that you (A) version chase, (B) allow installations to proceed knowing undesirable changes will be made, (C) don't revert the undesirable change. |
| 06:42.02 | sigkilla | guerin: are you speakin of alsamixer -V all |
| 06:42.09 | liable | raf256: cd /usr/src/linux; cp /boot/config-blah .config |
| 06:42.20 | Guerin | dpkg, no latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifyable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 06:42.20 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 06:42.38 | mwilson | cartel_: Why you'd be so stupid as to think you need to keep information on 8k+ packages in your brain, I have no idea. |
| 06:42.47 | cartel_ | guerin: identifyable/identifiable |
| 06:42.51 | raf256 | is it a good idea to use etch on desktop yet? |
| 06:42.53 | Guerin | gah |
| 06:42.55 | shivraj_ | Guerin : no startx, I did /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 06:42.59 | Guerin | cartel_: thanks |
| 06:43.03 | mwilson | raf256: Etch would have to exist, first. |
| 06:43.07 | liable | raf256: no, its not out yet |
| 06:43.09 | Guerin | shivraj_: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 06:43.18 | shivraj_ | ok |
| 06:43.19 | raf256 | !when |
| 06:43.20 | dpkg | Now! |
| 06:43.22 | raf256 | lol |
| 06:43.37 | Guerin | !latest =~ s/identifyable/identifiable/ |
| 06:43.38 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 06:43.44 | cartel_ | mwilson: who knows. |
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| 06:44.19 | Guerin | that factoid is jumping the gun by a few days, but wth... |
| 06:44.42 | lostcause | i messed up my webmin and now aptget will not install it or remove it... |
| 06:44.54 | sigkilla | guerin: alsamixer only displays two capture controls ("Capture" and "Mix" with the CAPTUR flag) but cat /dev/asound/devices gives hw:0,0 - hw:0,3 as captures |
| 06:45.11 | cartel_ | mwilson: usually im making a change because i have to, eg to fix a bug. then C is not applicable. Nor is A, because i am usually version chasing in order to fix a bug. Now B is something i can work on. |
| 06:45.35 | Guerin | lostcause: how did you manage to break it so horribly? |
| 06:45.48 | liable | prolly a good thing |
| 06:45.49 | cartel_ | If only there were some way to make apt-listchanges display changes before i go to install them.... |
| 06:46.05 | lostcause | Guerin; rm -rf /etc/webmin = BAD |
| 06:46.06 | mwilson | cartel_: Oh, you mean like it already does? |
| 06:46.12 | Guerin | !moron lostcause |
| 06:46.13 | dpkg | lostcause: You are moron #36 |
| 06:46.27 | Guerin | lostcause: try apt-get install --reinstall webmin |
| 06:46.37 | lostcause | k one sec |
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| 06:46.50 | mwilson | cartel_: You mean like apt-get allows you to simulate an update, so you know what's changing without actually changing it? |
| 06:46.50 | Guerin | lostcause: if that doesn't work, real man dpkg and learn how to use --force-confmiss |
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| 06:47.09 | MobyTurbo | !webmin |
| 06:47.09 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
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| 06:47.31 | Guerin | yeah. and then when it's all done, apt-get remove --purge webmin |
| 06:47.56 | cartel_ | mwilson: that'd be nice |
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| 06:48.44 | cartel_ | mwilson: is there an undocumented option for apt-get to do that? |
| 06:48.46 | lostcause | only used it for changing the ability for ssh to login using passowrds... |
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| 06:49.07 | mwilson | cartel_: No, just a couple of documented ones. |
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| 06:49.24 | cartel_ | mwilson: i thought you'd respond like that. are you referring to -s and -d? |
| 06:50.11 | mwilson | You thought I'd respond like what? I'm supposed to read the man page for you? |
| 06:50.51 | cartel_ | mwilson: because while i use -u, it doesnt bring up a flashing red "WARNING: INSTALLING THIS PACKAGE WILL FUCK SQUID", or at least it doesnt on my apt-get |
| 06:50.53 | shelby | by default, are all ports open? |
| 06:51.08 | cartel_ | mwilson: no, you obviously already know what the switch is, you just dont want to tell me |
| 06:51.26 | cartel_ | mwilson: i knew you would respond in the "it is documented" tone |
| 06:51.27 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 06:51.37 | mwilson | I give up. |
| 06:51.49 | cartel_ | that's the most useful thing you've said so far :) |
| 06:51.58 | MobyTurbo | cartel_: why does he need to tell you? He's not "apt-get --help" |
| 06:52.17 | cartel_ | MobyTurbo: apt-get --help documents no such flag |
| 06:52.25 | cartel_ | nor does man apt-get |
| 06:52.31 | MobyTurbo | cartel_: if it's undocumented, don't use it. |
| 06:52.42 | cartel_ | clearly mwilson knows what this mystery switch is |
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| 06:52.55 | dotCOMmie | cartel_: update man pages? |
| 06:53.08 | mwilson | cartel_: YOu whine about how apt-listchanges doesn't show you changes before you update a package, except that's its primary function. You whine about not knowing what will change when you do an upgrade, except that apt-get will SHOW you what it's going to change. |
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| 06:53.29 | mwilson | cartel_: Your problems are of your own making. |
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| 06:53.57 | liable | shelby: if something is listening |
| 06:54.19 | shivraj_ | Im using this psmouse driver for mouse support |
| 06:54.25 | sigkilla | guerin: how do you toggle the capture capability for each channel/device |
| 06:54.31 | cartel_ | mwilson: i use apt-listchanges myself. the changelogs dont really mention the fact that oh, by the way, this will break your dependency. |
| 06:54.32 | shivraj_ | now Im trying to configure X, same old shit, mouse not working |
| 06:54.38 | lostcause | Guerin apt-get -f remove fixed the problem |
| 06:54.41 | shivraj_ | what do I set the mouse to ? |
| 06:54.45 | sigkilla | oh space |
| 06:55.00 | cartel_ | i use apt-get -u too. it doesnt show how that will affect the dependencies. |
| 06:55.10 | MobyTurbo | cartel_: which version are you using? |
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| 06:55.33 | cartel_ | MobyTurbo: of apt-listchanges or apt-get? |
| 06:55.40 | MobyTurbo | cartel_: of Debian |
| 06:55.56 | cartel_ | in both cases the latest testing and/or stable, where applicable |
| 06:56.05 | lostcause | so has anyone been able to get kismet working with orinoco pcmcia cards/ |
| 06:56.08 | cartel_ | MobyTurbo: sarge |
| 06:56.18 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: doing this right now |
| 06:56.38 | lostcause | dotCOMmie i need to set up the monitor |
| 06:56.42 | lostcause | then should be done |
| 06:56.47 | MobyTurbo | cartel_: OK. I was about to say if you're using sid dependency hell is always something that happens |
| 06:56.48 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: you mean the orinoco_cs? |
| 06:56.57 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: yep |
| 06:57.00 | cartel_ | mwilson and guerin were just telling me about how they never break their sarge due to some kind of best practice they have going but dont want to share |
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| 06:57.21 | lostcause | dotCOMmie; aye sir |
| 06:57.23 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: you need to patch the driver |
| 06:57.33 | dotCOMmie | RTFM this: http://www.kismetwireless.net/HOWTO-orinoco-drivers.txt |
| 06:57.40 | MobyTurbo | cartel_: it doesn't seem that way to me |
| 06:57.42 | lostcause | yeah |
| 06:58.20 | cartel_ | and that im stupid because i manage to break it semi regularly |
| 06:58.51 | MobyTurbo | cartel_: if you're using undocumented switches then anything can happen. |
| 06:59.01 | lostcause | my mouse does not let me highlight anything in console, it spams Q when i click left and W(or H) when i click right |
| 06:59.25 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: He thinks telling apt-get to simulate an operation is an undocumented feature. |
| 06:59.38 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: it doesnt wanna work (keep in ming I am doing this on a 486 with 8MB so its a greater challenge d: ) I'll probably just compile a driver from cvs tomorrow |
| 06:59.40 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: it's not. :-) |
| 06:59.56 | cartel_ | mwilson: no, i said there must be some mystery feature that automatically displays all potential issues for installing package x, which is what you lead me to beleive |
| 07:00.14 | cartel_ | its clearly not -s or -u, so it must be an undocumented switch |
| 07:00.20 | lostcause | dotCOMmie; seems all i have to do is patch and recomple no? |
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| 07:00.36 | lostcause | r |
| 07:00.37 | lostcause | er |
| 07:00.45 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: yes. I patched over the driver that came with 2.4 and I guess that was a bad idea |
| 07:00.59 | ircdevil | møjn |
| 07:01.18 | lostcause | ihave 2.6 |
| 07:01.22 | dotCOMmie | yeah |
| 07:01.27 | sigkilla | guerin: i can change the capture source to line now, but when i arecord, i don't hear anything |
| 07:01.33 | dotCOMmie | you should have better luck |
| 07:01.41 | dotCOMmie | d: |
| 07:01.41 | ircdevil | target release date? hrmph? i thought sarge was goint to release first :o) |
| 07:01.42 | lostcause | if i knew what i was doing i might |
| 07:01.43 | lostcause | lol |
| 07:01.55 | lostcause | do i get the standalone or the buildin drivers? |
| 07:02.10 | dotCOMmie | you compile your own kernel? or use packages? |
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| 07:02.27 | lostcause | im going to asume package |
| 07:02.28 | cartel_ | ircdevil: pushed back a week for some reason |
| 07:03.10 | dotCOMmie | then I cant help you I only use packaged kernels for 5 min to compile my own d: |
| 07:03.24 | lostcause | lol |
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| 07:05.25 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: talk to me tomorrow.. or read some manuals on how to compile your own kernels (this one is good but a tad dated: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 specifically use tk8.3 and ignore the way he does the cd drive) |
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| 07:07.37 | Crasp | hello, does anybody know some good server-monitoring software (diskspace, httpd running?, mysql running? etc etc) |
| 07:07.47 | lostcause | when i run patch is it supposed to sit there for ever? |
| 07:08.01 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: what do you mean? |
| 07:08.02 | Crasp | lostcause: that depends on what you feed it :) |
| 07:08.27 | lostcause | i ran patch -p1 --dry-run /root/oinoco.....diff |
| 07:08.31 | lostcause | and it just sits there |
| 07:08.34 | xDCDx | hello, how can I open a text file in a console (a log for example) so thar when new lines are added it is scrolled automatically? I can't find any options in 'less' |
| 07:08.38 | jm_ | Crasp: nagios |
| 07:08.49 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: where did you run that? |
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| 07:09.18 | lostcause | ./usr/src/linux/drivers/net/wireless |
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| 07:09.38 | marcel | xDCDx: tail -f |
| 07:09.48 | jm_ | xDCDx: F in less |
| 07:09.48 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: what patch did you use? |
| 07:09.54 | lostcause | uh |
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| 07:09.55 | xDCDx | marcel, jm_, thanks |
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| 07:09.57 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: what kernel do you use? |
| 07:10.13 | lostcause | orinoco-0.13e-rfmon-dragorn3.diff |
| 07:10.15 | streuner | apt, wake up |
| 07:10.16 | apt | up: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 07:10.24 | glick | hey does anyone know if dlink ethernet cards are supported well in debian testing |
| 07:10.25 | glick | ? |
| 07:10.28 | streuner | !tell gamaflone about root |
| 07:10.36 | lostcause | kernel should be 2.6.9 |
| 07:10.37 | lostcause | er 8 |
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| 07:12.04 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: it just sits there and didnt give you any output? |
| 07:12.09 | lostcause | correct |
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| 07:12.42 | streuner | glick: the point is in linux what chipset does it uses... |
| 07:12.56 | glick | i have a question, my friend just bought a dlink eth card and debian network config doesnt seem to be able to automatically detect network settings |
| 07:13.10 | streuner | glick: 3com are very well support in linux |
| 07:13.11 | glick | he also uses DSL |
| 07:13.15 | jm_ | I don't see any questions there |
| 07:13.32 | streuner | glick: we need infos about the chipset |
| 07:13.34 | dotCOMmie | holy shit, I just realized what I did wrong |
| 07:13.41 | lostcause | lol |
| 07:13.58 | streuner | glick: ALWAYS think in terms |
| 07:14.00 | glick | streuner, its this card d-link dfe-538tx |
| 07:14.11 | streuner | glick: what chipset use the hardware... |
| 07:14.24 | glick | streuner, i dont know how woul i find that out |
| 07:14.34 | lostcause | dotCOMmie; good now what did i do wrongheh |
| 07:14.39 | shivraj_ | I am using the psmouse driver in 2.6.8, any help ? |
| 07:14.46 | glick | the debian installer identified tha maker and model of the card |
| 07:14.50 | streuner | glick: that says not to much, because some of manufactors ships those items with different chipsets as well... |
| 07:14.53 | shivraj_ | I set mouse to ttyS0 x starts but mouse doesnt work |
| 07:15.02 | glick | just when it attempted to auto detect network settinsg |
| 07:15.05 | streuner | glick: lspci -v |
| 07:15.16 | glick | do i have to pass a special kernel to the install to use ppoe debian install |
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| 07:15.46 | glick | yeah the installer lists the correct device |
| 07:15.50 | dotCOMmie | lostcause: it should have given you some input |
| 07:15.57 | lostcause | negative |
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| 07:15.59 | lostcause | :-/ |
| 07:16.10 | dotCOMmie | output* |
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| 07:16.42 | jm_ | glick: http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=487&question=General%20Linux |
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| 07:17.17 | Draconicus | I ART HAM |
| 07:17.39 | streuner | !tell glick about ig |
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| 07:18.14 | Draconicus | BATTLE STATIONS! FULL FRONTAL BISCUIT ATTACK! |
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| 07:18.30 | lostcause | ango-ninja:/usr/src/linux/drivers/net/wireless# patch -p1 --dry-run /root/orinoco-0.13e-rfmon-dragorn3.diff |
| 07:18.33 | lostcause | er |
| 07:19.11 | shelby_ | argh! my IP keeps reverting back to it's DHCP given IP |
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| 07:21.59 | jm_ | glick: that's documented in installation manual, go read it |
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| 07:24.25 | cartel_ | shelby_: dhcp still running? |
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| 07:25.13 | shelby_ | cartel_, dhclient -e -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/r |
| 07:25.13 | shelby_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.13 | shelby_ | ?? |
| 07:26.01 | glick | jm_, i dont see it |
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| 07:26.18 | streuner | glick: look harder |
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| 07:27.17 | shivraj | cartel_ : can't get my mouse to work with the psmouse driver |
| 07:27.41 | shelby_ | shivraj, modprobe mousedev then modprobe psmouse |
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| 07:28.15 | glick | wtf i cant see it im trying to help a friend install over the phone |
| 07:28.27 | glick | streuner, if you know where it is for godsake just tell me |
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| 07:31.21 | shivraj_ | shelby_ : bitchx looks good in X, thanks bro |
| 07:31.23 | glick | i dont see what it says to do for ppoe |
| 07:31.43 | shelby_ | shivraj_, eh... ?! |
| 07:32.28 | shivraj | got mouse to work !! |
| 07:32.42 | glick | i guess you cant you cant use ppoe to install debian |
| 07:32.44 | glick | ? |
| 07:33.08 | Triffid_Hunter | glick: just go to the other vc and connect your pppoe... |
| 07:33.10 | Guerin | glick: yeah, i think that's right for sarge... not sure about woody. |
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| 07:33.15 | streuner | glick: 7.2.3. PPP einrichten |
| 07:34.01 | glick | so that means he has to install the full iso |
| 07:34.08 | glick | and then then set up his ppoe? |
| 07:34.11 | silverton | shivraj_, ah, okay good! |
| 07:34.17 | spdf | glick, makes sense... |
| 07:34.19 | streuner | no |
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| 07:35.05 | Guerin | pppoe is stupid anyway |
| 07:35.05 | glick | streuner, are you saying no to me? |
| 07:35.09 | jm_ | glick: no, he needs netinst ISO |
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| 07:35.14 | streuner | 7.2.3.1. Setting Up PPP over Ethernet (PPPOE) |
| 07:35.14 | shark | hi, anyone knows about ppp as a server ? |
| 07:35.20 | jm_ | it's in the manual ... |
| 07:35.21 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:35.30 | glick | jm_, but debian installer says network settings arnt detected |
| 07:35.40 | Guerin | all the ppp servers in the world just appeared magically, nobody knows what to do with them |
| 07:35.43 | streuner | jm_, Guerin: the packages are installed... |
| 07:35.48 | glick | PPPOE is a protocol related to PPP used for some broadband connections. There |
| 07:35.48 | glick | is currently no support in base configuration to help you set this up |
| 07:35.50 | streuner | in d-i |
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| 07:36.02 | glick | thats what it says in the install.en.txt file |
| 07:36.02 | jm_ | glick: check logs |
| 07:36.03 | Guerin | streuner: not talking about this anymore, seems I don't know anything about it :) |
| 07:36.09 | jm_ | glick: exactly |
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| 07:36.30 | glick | jm_, damn if someone knows the simple answer dont make me hunt for it just tell me i got a dude on the phone |
| 07:36.32 | streuner | glick: that means, d-i doesn |
| 07:36.40 | spdf | glick, VT2 being CTRL-ALT-F2, run pppoeconf |
| 07:36.44 | streuner | glick: t make it auto, thats all. |
| 07:36.57 | streuner | glick: the packages are in d-i... |
| 07:37.26 | cartel_ | later all |
| 07:37.39 | jm_ | glick: pay someone and they will |
| 07:37.41 | silverton | shivraj_, dude, add mousedev and psmouse to your /etc/modules |
| 07:37.59 | shivraj_ | silverton yeah I did , it works |
| 07:38.07 | silverton | okay, good |
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| 07:38.51 | shark | can i have 2 default route on a linux server ? |
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| 07:39.52 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah.. it'll only use one though afaik |
| 07:40.06 | Triffid_Hunter | unless you have multi-route support in your kernel and set them up with iproute2 |
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| 07:40.37 | shark | Triffid_Hunter, how to i check i have multi-route support ? |
| 07:41.00 | shark | Triffid_Hunter, -bash: iproute2: command not found |
| 07:41.13 | Triffid_Hunter | you'll have selected it in your kernel configuration? |
| 07:41.13 | Tomek | shark: install the package. |
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| 07:41.26 | shark | Triffid_Hunter, i have no idea |
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| 07:41.44 | shark | Triffid_Hunter, someone gave me that kernel |
| 07:42.00 | Triffid_Hunter | you may have to make your own then.. its not hard |
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| 07:42.13 | shark | let me check |
| 07:42.21 | shark | where should i find it on 2.6? |
| 07:42.28 | Guerin | hrm, seems xscreensaver's motion detection doesn't include the scrollwheel |
| 07:42.30 | codester | hi guys, when i try changing screen resolution under gnome i get a error msg saying "The X Server does not support the XRandX extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not availible" |
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| 07:42.34 | codester | any ideas? |
| 07:42.45 | Guerin | codester: what release of debian? |
| 07:42.50 | Triffid_Hunter | umm dev drivers -> networking options -> netfilter options somewhere iirc.. |
| 07:42.54 | codester | Guerin: sid |
| 07:43.10 | Guerin | codester: dpkg -l xlibs |tail -n1 |
| 07:43.14 | codester | Guerin: it was working before dont know what i did to it, now its not working |
| 07:43.18 | Guerin | codester: gimme the output |
| 07:43.31 | codester | Guerin: k hold on =) |
| 07:43.34 | shark | Triffid_Hunter, could it be CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH ? |
| 07:43.49 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah that sounds right |
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| 07:44.04 | codester | ii xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 X Keyboard Extension (XKB) configuration dat |
| 07:44.20 | shark | Triffid_Hunter, i have 2 default route on client computer |
| 07:44.25 | shivraj_ | Guerin : I added myself to the audio group and I still cant use mpg123 to play mp3s |
| 07:44.28 | shark | Triffid_Hunter, but only on of it is working |
| 07:44.35 | shark | one of it is working |
| 07:44.37 | Guerin | shivraj_: you need to log out and then back in |
| 07:44.43 | shivraj_ | oh ok |
| 07:44.44 | Triffid_Hunter | shark: have a look on lartc.org for the multi-route section of the howto |
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| 07:45.08 | Guerin | codester: try running xrandr in a shell |
| 07:45.08 | glick | does DSL use static IP address? |
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| 07:45.17 | glick | do i go to 'enter the network manually? |
| 07:45.17 | shelby | glick, not that I know of |
| 07:45.18 | Guerin | glick: it can |
| 07:45.26 | streuner | glick: no |
| 07:45.26 | shelby | glick, well, not a default package |
| 07:45.28 | codester | Guerin: Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 07:45.33 | Guerin | it doesn't necessarily |
| 07:45.35 | streuner | glick: usually dynamic IPs |
| 07:45.41 | shark | Triffid_Hunter, oki thx for your help |
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| 07:45.53 | Guerin | codester: woah, funky. do the dpkg -l command again with COLUMNS=120 at the front? |
| 07:46.00 | glick | Guerin, so when it fails the network detection, just select continue without the network configureation |
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| 07:46.08 | glick | and then run that ppoeconf program? |
| 07:46.11 | codester | Guerin: k |
| 07:46.17 | nomed^ | one Q .. "apt-cache show exim4-config | grep Conflicts:" |
| 07:46.18 | shivraj | ok I think I need to get some rest now, system is in decent shape |
| 07:46.34 | Guerin | codester: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-13 is what I have, and it wors perfectly for me. |
| 07:46.38 | Guerin | works, too. |
| 07:46.40 | nomed^ | is it normal that it conflicts with its self |
| 07:46.46 | nomed^ | ? |
| 07:47.03 | codester | Guerin: yeah i have same |
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| 07:47.15 | codester | Guerin: No packages found matching COLUMNS=120 |
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| 07:47.26 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:47.37 | Guerin | codester: what vidcard and driver? |
| 07:47.43 | glick | so would that be how i do it |
| 07:47.45 | qpee | hi, i'd like to tell flite to output to alsa and not to /dev/dsp. how could i do that? the manual is not informative at all |
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| 07:47.50 | Guerin | i'm not sure xranr works with vesa |
| 07:47.52 | codester | Guerin: umm 9800xt, and i am using the fglrx driver |
| 07:47.56 | glick | continue the bast install without network setup and then run pppoeconf? |
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| 07:48.22 | Guerin | codester: funky. Maybe check the BTS |
| 07:48.31 | codester | Guerin: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/X11R6.8/lib, would this line stuff it up? |
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| 07:48.59 | Zap-W | can apt-get download simultaneously |
| 07:49.00 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.16 | Guerin | codester: don't see how that would fix it. |
| 07:49.20 | spdf | Zap-W, Are you asking a question? |
| 07:49.21 | codester | Guerin: cause i was experimenting with xorg didnt turn out alright so i reverted back now i cant change resolution |
| 07:49.27 | Zap-W | yes |
| 07:49.34 | nomed^ | could anyone explain me if that COnflict of exim4-config is normal .. i don't know if i should report a bug .. |
| 07:49.38 | nomed^ | ? |
| 07:49.45 | iLLf8d | anyone know if there are any alternatives to FAI unattended installs, something more akin to unattended install in freebsd? |
| 07:49.48 | Guerin | codester: oh. Bound to be some fuckup there, then. |
| 07:49.49 | codester | Guerin: nah i mean by doing that would it cause problem? |
| 07:49.55 | Guerin | hell i know |
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| 07:49.59 | Guerin | I have to head off now |
| 07:50.01 | jm_ | nomed^: which one? there are many |
| 07:50.06 | Zap-W | can apt-get download different packages simultaneously from two sources |
| 07:50.06 | codester | Guerin: thanks anyway =) |
| 07:50.21 | nomed^ | exim4-config from sid or sarge .. |
| 07:50.24 | streuner | Za : yes |
| 07:50.26 | Zap-W | like it does with apt-get update |
| 07:50.36 | spdf | Zap-W, Yes |
| 07:50.41 | nomed^ | tha one that provides exim4-config-2 |
| 07:50.48 | jm_ | nomed^: do you have problems because of that? |
| 07:50.58 | nomed^ | yes in a script |
| 07:51.15 | Zap-W | spdf: how ,but I dont want it to download the same package twice .. |
| 07:51.34 | k-man | how does one tell if a particular tv card is supported by the kernel? |
| 07:51.36 | spdf | Zap-W, It shouldn't.. |
| 07:51.37 | jm_ | nomed^: ask on the mailing list, http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-exim4-users |
| 07:51.37 | nomed^ | i can't figure out a rule for that .. and there is just tha pkge that gives me problems |
| 07:51.44 | nomed^ | ok |
| 07:51.48 | jm_ | nomed^: or better yet, search the archives first |
| 07:51.54 | glick | it says... |
| 07:51.55 | nomed^ | sure |
| 07:51.58 | nomed^ | thanks |
| 07:52.34 | Zap-W | how is it done |
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| 07:53.33 | glick | the documentation says that there is currently no support in base to help you configure pppoe , but then it says the necessary software has been installed which means you can configure manually |
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| 07:53.43 | glick | switch to VT2 and run pppoeconf |
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| 07:54.11 | spdf | Zap-W, I don't know the intricacies of apt-get, but, I imagine it gets two packages at once, but only once for each packge.. |
| 07:54.14 | codester | if i wrote export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/X11R6.8/lib what command do i type to undo it? |
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| 07:54.32 | jm_ | codester: unset |
| 07:54.49 | Triffid_Hunter | codester: what jm_ said, or source ~/.bashrc may do it too |
| 07:54.50 | codester | Jm_: thanks |
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| 07:55.14 | Triffid_Hunter | depending if its set in .bashrc or /etc/profile or whatever.. worst case you could just log out/back in.. |
| 07:55.22 | shark | Triffid_Hunter, it works now.. THANKS so much |
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| 07:55.34 | Triffid_Hunter | np shark |
| 07:56.37 | codester | Triffid_Hunter: bash: unset: `LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Xorg/': not a valid identifier |
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| 07:57.19 | lostcause | my patch is broken |
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| 07:57.36 | spdf | codester, unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH no =... |
| 07:57.38 | Tuttle | I removed www-data bug by mistake, this is the result while upgrading apache-common and apache: http://channels.debian.net/paste/172 Apache stood stopped, I started it, because it's critical. What should I do to finish setting up of the package pair now? And is it needed? |
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| 07:58.17 | codester | spdf: oh ok =) |
| 07:58.42 | jm_ | Tuttle: add the user back, dpkg --pending --configure |
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| 07:58.52 | glick | so when it asks me for ppp configureation thats when i switch terminals and run pppoeconf |
| 07:59.21 | spdf | glick, When the module is loaded, switch over.. |
| 07:59.47 | codester | spdf: export PATH=/opt/Xorg/bin:$PATH <--- what about this line? do i unset PATH? |
| 08:00.04 | spdf | codester, don't unset path.. |
| 08:00.47 | codester | spdf: i am just trying to backtrack my unsuccesful attemp of install Xorg cause atm i cant change my screen size |
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| 08:00.55 | Tuttle | jm_: apache must be stopped for this? |
| 08:01.08 | spdf | codester, Assuming there's nothing in /opt/Xorg/bin now, you'll be fine with that in there.. |
| 08:01.24 | spdf | codester, Where is that line located? in .bashrc? |
| 08:01.45 | jm_ | Tuttle: well it probably failed to start if there's no such user/group |
| 08:02.03 | codester | spdf: i dont know, the tutorial to get Xorg working say just type that in terminal |
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| 08:03.54 | codester | spdf: cause atm when i click on 'screen resolution' under gnome it say 'error Xserver does not support the XRandR extension' |
| 08:04.03 | spdf | codester, the /opt/Xorg/bin is fine there for now, it'll disappear on reboot.. |
| 08:04.27 | spdf | codester, what kind of vid card do you have again? |
| 08:04.47 | codester | spdf: ATI 9800XT, i am using fglrx driver from ati |
| 08:04.48 | spdf | codester, 9800xt right? |
| 08:05.00 | Tuttle | jm_: thank you, all is well now |
| 08:05.06 | spdf | code, and in your XF86 config, the driver is fglrx as well? |
| 08:05.16 | codester | spdf: yep |
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| 08:05.33 | codester | spdf: should i try changing it back to 'ati' driver see if its the driver problem? |
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| 08:05.38 | jm_ | Tuttle: did you also add the group? |
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| 08:06.18 | spdf | codester, Maybe try re doing the fglrx stuff |
| 08:06.28 | Tuttle | jm_: I did this prior to the first apache start and was just curious whether there isn't pending some important actions in new packages configuration. |
| 08:06.31 | codester | spdf: k |
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| 08:07.06 | qpee | i connected my printer to a usb-hib and now i can't use it using /dev/usb/lp0 anymore, how could i find out which device i should use for printcap? |
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| 08:07.55 | qpee | dmesg says: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 5 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04F9 pid 0x001A |
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| 08:10.26 | spdf | Xserver does not support |
| 08:10.33 | spdf | unf.. |
| 08:10.53 | trueno | Hi! Is possible to tell XF86Config-4 to use the regular PS/2 driver if there's a regular mouse attached and to use the synaptic driver if there no mouse attached to the Ps/2 port? |
| 08:11.28 | simonrvn | set up 2 mice |
| 08:11.43 | simonrvn | either will work, or both will |
| 08:12.05 | spdf | trueno, Create two pointer definitions, ps/2 driver for one, synaptic for the other (pointing to the right /dev), and that should do.. |
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| 08:12.27 | kickino | hey guys |
| 08:12.35 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah i'd just set em both up, so you can use em at the same time |
| 08:12.42 | spdf | trueno, Set the ps/2 as core pointer |
| 08:12.48 | qpee | i'm really not getting why this printer is not doing it's job. are there known prtoblems with usb-hibs? |
| 08:12.49 | d03boy | is there a place where I can install mplayer using apt instead of from source? There are some dependency problems I dont really feellike resolving myself :P |
| 08:12.56 | spdf | qpee, hibs? |
| 08:13.01 | spdf | qpee, Hub? |
| 08:13.07 | spdf | d03boy, marillat |
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| 08:13.16 | d03boy | oko |
| 08:13.17 | qpee | spdf: sorry, yes. hub |
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| 08:14.26 | silverton | d03boy, need the apt source, or do you have it already? |
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| 08:15.04 | spdf | qpee, hotplug installed? |
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| 08:15.32 | spdf | d03boy, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 08:15.51 | spdf | d03boy, change testing to stable, or sid, whichever you fancy (and by fancy, I mean need) |
| 08:16.04 | qpee | spdf: yes it is, and lsusb even shows me the device and it was recognized by dmesg |
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| 08:17.17 | qpee | spdf: but i can't find the device. /dev/usb/lp0 doesn't work out anymore |
| 08:17.29 | spdf | qpee, I'd think that the printer would be on some sub device of the hub... |
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| 08:18.31 | qpee | spdf: well thats the problem, how are devices ordered in /dev using a hub and how could i find out which /dev/xyz belongs to the printer |
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| 08:18.45 | spdf | qpee, lspci -v, paste usb/printer info into #flood |
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| 08:19.33 | glick | so when the installer asks you if you want to set up a ppp connection, switch terminals, type in pppoeconf, and then switch back and select no? |
| 08:19.46 | spdf | glick, Right, PPP is for dialup... |
| 08:19.53 | qpee | spdf: you mean lsusb? |
| 08:20.15 | d03boy | how do I know if I should choose i386 or i586? I'm thinking 586... but not 100% sure |
| 08:20.16 | spdf | qpee, yadda yah... lsusb -v |
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| 08:20.53 | glick | to switch to a shell i type alt-ctrl f2? |
| 08:21.02 | glick | then which terminal do i switch back to? |
| 08:21.19 | spdf | glick, Yes. Switch to VT2 (Virtual terminal 2), and then back to VT1 |
| 08:21.20 | liable | alt f7 |
| 08:21.27 | liable | err |
| 08:21.36 | spdf | liable, installation.. |
| 08:21.42 | liable | yah |
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| 08:22.06 | qpee | spdf: http://84.143.50.202/lsusb.txt , it's bit too large |
| 08:22.14 | liable | doesnt base install install ppoe |
| 08:22.21 | liable | then run it after |
| 08:22.26 | trueno | spdf: I have set: InputDevice "PS/2 Mouse" "CorePointer" and then InputDevice "Touchpad" "SendCoreEvents" --> result: it does not work, only if one (and only) of them is the "CorePointer". |
| 08:22.38 | trueno | spdf: Any clue? |
| 08:22.46 | streuner | 7.2.3.1. Setting Up PPP over Ethernet (PPPOE) |
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| 08:23.00 | spdf | trueno, only one can be core pointer.. |
| 08:23.13 | liable | streuner: in the manual? |
| 08:23.19 | streuner | yep |
| 08:23.22 | glick | hmm i cant seem to switch back |
| 08:23.22 | liable | ok |
| 08:23.30 | glick | once i switch to a login terminal |
| 08:23.50 | DrZoot | trying to compile a 2.6 kernel for a pentium mmx on an athlon xp, got the thing to compile and run, however it always borks on trying to read the hard drive (VFS error). i noticed when compiling the kernel that at the end it tells me that my root device is hd(3,3) which is prolly right for the athlon but not the pentium, is this info used in the kernel and if so how can i change it |
| 08:23.51 | glick | alt f7 doesnt take me back to the installer |
| 08:24.00 | liable | glick: just alt f1 |
| 08:24.05 | streuner | f1 |
| 08:24.09 | d03boy | im having some problem with installing mplayer using apt... I changed testing to stable, but now it cant install the depends of mplayer. I dont understand why it cant install them |
| 08:24.19 | glick | thanks |
| 08:24.24 | silverton | d03boy, what do you need mplayer for? |
| 08:24.31 | d03boy | WMV plugin |
| 08:24.39 | silverton | dude, you don't mplayer |
| 08:24.43 | silverton | get w32codecs |
| 08:24.44 | liable | d03boy: w32codecs |
| 08:24.46 | d03boy | *shrug* ok |
| 08:24.58 | trueno | spdf: Sure, the thing is how can I tell XF86Config to use PS/2 if the mouse is there and Touchpad if it's not? |
| 08:24.59 | d03boy | is there a firefox plugin though? |
| 08:25.00 | silverton | which reminds me, I need to get that on my girlfriends box |
| 08:25.16 | silverton | d03boy, to play it in the browser? |
| 08:25.19 | liable | d03boy: yes |
| 08:25.26 | d03boy | yab, thats what I'm really looking for |
| 08:25.26 | spdf | trueno, you don't. if the mouse can't be loaded, it won't load it. both get loaded otherwise.. |
| 08:26.02 | jm_ | trueno: it's more or less transparent under 2.6 because all data from input devices is available in /dev/input/mice |
| 08:26.05 | qpee | spdf: were ou able to load the file? |
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| 08:26.31 | spdf | qpee, Yeh, It really didn't help.. lol |
| 08:26.32 | DrZoot | anyone got any ideas on the kernel problem? |
| 08:26.47 | jm_ | DrZoot: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 08:26.51 | simonrvn | trueno: the server will know, don't worry. they both will work if both are there, and only one of them if only one is there.... think about it... |
| 08:26.58 | jm_ | DrZoot: also man rdev |
| 08:27.04 | qpee | spdf: alright, any information i could provide which could be helpfull? |
| 08:27.06 | jm_ | DrZoot: or pass appropriate root= option |
| 08:27.07 | spdf | trueno, Its magic. Voodoo even.... |
| 08:27.26 | liable | DrZoot: you mean when you install the deb or what? how are you doing this? |
| 08:27.35 | d03boy | whenever I ask questions that are on the bot, you guys should just tell me to ask dpkg... i always forget about him :P |
| 08:27.48 | trueno | spdf: jm_ I see that's why the console gets crazy if I have both Ps/2 mouse and touchpad as core devices... So one actually has to choose "in advance" (edit XF86Config) |
| 08:27.49 | jm_ | dpkg, are you a him? |
| 08:28.02 | streuner | dpkg, gender? |
| 08:28.02 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 08:28.03 | liable | DrZoot: wtf are you doing exactly |
| 08:28.11 | liable | shes lesbian |
| 08:28.18 | liable | !gender |
| 08:28.18 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
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| 08:28.20 | trueno | spdf: (I am using the synaptic driver for touchpad) |
| 08:28.22 | liable | bah |
| 08:28.24 | rexx | I'm trying to setup a "active directory" server in linux, for windows clients... I could really use some help, something's not working and I can't figure it out, tnks! |
| 08:28.27 | silverton | How do I get NTP to work? I've just installed ntp and ntpdate |
| 08:28.27 | DrZoot | ok, more infos, its a debian kernel going to a debian testing system, im not using make-kpkg to build it though, just make |
| 08:28.28 | jm_ | trueno: I don't see how this could possibly affect console |
| 08:28.47 | liable | DrZoot: do it the debian way |
| 08:28.53 | silverton | but, when I try to select the option to get "time from NTP server" on the time&date prefs, it says "run NTP support and try again" |
| 08:28.56 | trueno | jm_ : I meant... screen |
| 08:29.04 | streuner | silverton: apt-get install ntpdate is usually enough |
| 08:29.14 | liable | DrZoot: your building a kernel on one box for another box? |
| 08:29.18 | spdf | trueno, So, what you want, is for one not to work, if you're using the other.. |
| 08:29.24 | DrZoot | liable: yeah thats right |
| 08:29.27 | silverton | streuner, I just did it on two computers, and one is a minute off of the other |
| 08:29.41 | streuner | odd |
| 08:29.46 | liable | DrZoot: both debian? |
| 08:29.49 | jm_ | trueno: what does screen have to do with it? |
| 08:30.00 | jm_ | silverton: /msg dpkg set time |
| 08:30.03 | DrZoot | yeah, ones unstable (athlon) and ones testing (mmx) |
| 08:30.08 | trueno | spdf: That's it |
| 08:30.39 | trueno | jm_ wdm will not start if my PS/2 mouse is attached and I have my XF86Config as follows: |
| 08:30.40 | liable | DrZoot: ok, use make-kpkg, make the deb, copy it over, install with dpkg |
| 08:30.57 | jm_ | trueno: no pasting here, /msg dpkg paste |
| 08:31.11 | DrZoot | liable: alright ill give it a shot |
| 08:31.11 | trueno | InputDevice "Touchpad" "CorePointer" |
| 08:31.22 | trueno | jm_ np, just one line ;-) |
| 08:31.22 | jethro | moin |
| 08:31.38 | jm_ | glick: check the X logfile |
| 08:31.54 | silverton | thanks jm_ |
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| 08:32.14 | liable | DrZoot: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 08:32.22 | liable | jm_: hi |
| 08:32.23 | trueno | spdf: Any clue then? |
| 08:32.27 | liable | jethro: |
| 08:32.31 | liable | ^^ |
| 08:32.36 | jethro | hi liable |
| 08:32.37 | liable | bleh |
| 08:32.41 | liable | hi :) |
| 08:32.44 | spdf | trueno, can you put your entire XF86Congig on a pastebin or something? |
| 08:32.45 | liable | fingers |
| 08:33.07 | silverton | jm_, can I manually run a time update? |
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| 08:33.20 | streuner | dpkg, set time |
| 08:33.21 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 08:33.24 | trueno | spdf: can you join me in #flood? |
| 08:33.34 | jm_ | silverton: run ntpdate and it will set it |
| 08:33.36 | spdf | trueno, give 'er.. |
| 08:33.40 | silverton | jm_, thanks |
| 08:33.43 | rexx | wich applications do I need to setup an active directory server in linux? |
| 08:33.46 | jm_ | silverton: /etc/init.d/ntpdate start |
| 08:33.53 | silverton | 30 May 01:34:42 ntpdate[1367]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 08:33.56 | rexx | samba, ldap... what more? |
| 08:34.03 | jm_ | you haven't configured the servers then |
| 08:34.33 | silverton | jm_, actually, that worked |
| 08:34.40 | silverton | clocks are tickin together now |
| 08:34.59 | jm_ | silverton: something else has set it, not ntpdate - configure /etc/default/ntpdate |
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| 08:35.05 | jm_ | or rather, edit it |
| 08:36.03 | silverton | pool.ntp.org is the variable for NTPSERVERS |
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| 08:36.04 | jm_ | that should do |
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| 08:36.17 | jm_ | ahh it probably failed because you have ntpd running now |
| 08:36.47 | Triffid_Hunter | that's what -u is for |
| 08:36.47 | silverton | possibly, but it worked with /etc/init.d/ntpdate start |
| 08:38.03 | simonrvn | you have to stop ntpd if you run ntpdate |
| 08:38.42 | liable | !ignore tra1a1a |
| 08:38.47 | liable | hehe |
| 08:38.48 | jm_ | yeah -u helps |
| 08:39.13 | liable | sorry tra1a1a |
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| 08:39.37 | jm_ | well it helps with firewalls, and there's nice typo in the man page |
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| 08:40.04 | kaner | simonrvn: no you dont |
| 08:40.34 | d03boy | where do I find these firefox plugins that will allow me to play wmv, quicktime, etc? Do I need an external video player or what? I'm pretty confuseed |
| 08:40.57 | jm_ | you don't have to stop it with Sarge it seems, you sure had to with Woody |
| 08:41.13 | kaner | d03boy: install mplayer and mplayer-plugin |
| 08:41.32 | d03boy | i was just told not to install mplayer a few min ago |
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| 08:41.41 | kaner | jm_: afaik ntpdate und ntpd are designed to work perfectly together :) |
| 08:41.43 | pon | !ignore pon |
| 08:41.45 | d03boy | i'm being thrown through loops here :P |
| 08:41.54 | pon | he |
| 08:42.00 | ircdevil | "her" ??? |
| 08:42.01 | kaner | d03boy: so why dont you? |
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| 08:42.20 | simonrvn | kaner: yes you do |
| 08:42.26 | kaner | simonrvn: :) |
| 08:42.31 | ircdevil | that explains a lot of the bot abuse (heheheheh) |
| 08:42.39 | ircdevil | !botabuse |
| 08:42.39 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 08:42.43 | d03boy | kaner, "...told NOT to" |
| 08:42.45 | trueno | spdf: It did not work :-(, but at least, it does not crash, either. |
| 08:42.51 | liable | d03boy: mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 08:43.11 | d03boy | mozilla plugins will work with firefox? ok... I guess that solves the problem |
| 08:43.17 | kaner | d03boy: why not mplayer? |
| 08:43.26 | d03boy | kaner, I get dependency problems |
| 08:43.30 | spdf | trueno, They work seperately though right? With one commented out in the config? |
| 08:43.31 | kaner | ic |
| 08:43.32 | d03boy | I already have VLC installed though |
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| 08:44.21 | trueno | spdf: Yes, I guess I will have to edit XF86Config before launching wdm |
| 08:44.42 | glick | heh i got a newbie to install linux |
| 08:44.45 | glick | debian |
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| 08:45.13 | spdf | trueno, You could copy the config, edit each to be one or the other, and make a little script to switch them when needed... |
| 08:45.27 | jm_ | kaner: try it on Woody |
| 08:46.05 | qpee | spdf: i got new debug from dmesg, please take a look at #flood, if you have the time and patience |
| 08:46.27 | trueno | spdf: That can be a solution |
| 08:46.40 | kaner | jm_, simonrvn: youre right. i just read the manpage. i was in error because i set time with ntpdate everytime _before i start ntpd |
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| 08:46.51 | Nigel | glick: thats good, the more the better... |
| 08:46.56 | kaner | jm_, simonrvn: sorry |
| 08:47.04 | glick | Nigel, and hes a complete newb |
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| 08:47.29 | Nigel | i'm planning on taking debian disks, and a box of beer to friends places... get them drunk, then put debian on their PC's |
| 08:47.31 | kaner | jm_, simonrvn: but you should really use ntpdate once, and then hand over cotrol to ntpd |
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| 08:47.44 | Marabest | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.46 | spdf | trueno, all you'd need to do was make it copy its respective config over /etc/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:47.52 | Nigel | they won't remember me been there, and they would have a good OS |
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| 08:47.57 | jm_ | kaner: that's what Debian does anyway |
| 08:47.57 | spdf | trueno, not very elegant, but it would work nicely enough.. |
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| 08:48.18 | spdf | qpee, It appears to me that it should in fact be lp0 |
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| 08:48.43 | trueno | spdf: You're right. Thanks for your help, now I'll have to get back to my duties :-( |
| 08:48.53 | liable | Nigel: yeah, as long as you can set it up perfectly whilst drunk :) |
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| 08:49.46 | Nigel | liable: i won't drink... |
| 08:49.50 | Nigel | maybe just one... |
| 08:49.59 | liable | Nigel: yes sure |
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| 08:50.25 | Martin_- | anyone here who can help me , i have an server with intel raid controller ' srcs16 ' and when i try to install with the debian installer it hangs on loading the module ' megaraid' , anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 08:50.51 | Nigel | liable: i only drink every now and then, and like max 1 can |
| 08:51.08 | liable | Nigel: ahh, pot smoker eh? |
| 08:51.23 | Nigel | no... |
| 08:51.44 | liable | Nigel: ahhh, smack addict eh? |
| 08:51.44 | nagual | pot>alcohol imho. its interesting to note that liable thinks you either have to drink a lot or be a potsmoker :) |
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| 08:51.56 | liable | nagual: ^^ |
| 08:51.58 | Nigel | i'm not into drugs at all, and grog is like 2 glasses of wine every 2 months, and a can of beer every 2-3 months |
| 08:52.05 | d03boy | garrr... I love it when firefox crashes from this new w32codecs and VLC plugin that I just installed :( |
| 08:52.06 | icedp | Hello. How do I play wav in console? |
| 08:52.08 | liable | sheesh |
| 08:52.33 | tra1a1a | icedp: play |
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| 08:52.51 | liable | Nigel: boring fucker then eh? :) jk |
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| 08:53.04 | icedp | tra1a1a: i haven't this cmd. What pkg? |
| 08:53.06 | Nigel | liable: no, i got linux... |
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| 08:53.10 | qpee | spdf: but i can't use the printer on that device |
| 08:53.15 | jethro | !tell sepen -about away |
| 08:53.50 | Stinkywrix | Linux sucks! Windows is the superior operating system! |
| 08:54.02 | Nigel | Stinkywrix: /part #debian |
| 08:54.02 | liable | why oh why |
| 08:54.24 | liable | second idiot troll in a couple of hours |
| 08:54.26 | Nigel | Stinkywrix: /join #linux200,0 |
| 08:54.34 | Nigel | :P |
| 08:54.34 | Nigel | even better... |
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| 08:55.03 | pon | Stinkywrix yea! windows rocks, thats great, now leave |
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| 08:55.26 | tra1a1a | icedp: /msg dpkg find play |
| 08:55.31 | Nigel | oh, lets all behave eratically to mess up Stinkywrix's study on linux users |
| 08:55.34 | Gathond | Stinkywrix: Every OS sucks, it is just a matter of which for you and your specific needs suck the least |
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| 08:56.29 | pon | !ignore Stinkywrix |
| 08:56.42 | tra1a1a | !Gathond++ |
| 08:56.46 | Stinkywrix | I thank thee. |
| 08:56.50 | icedp | tra1a1a: thank u |
| 08:56.56 | tra1a1a | !u |
| 08:56.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:56.57 | codester | if i use UTC for my time setting, its will change my bios clock to something else right? |
| 08:56.57 | Stinkywrix | You have given me enough material for class on tuesday :) |
| 08:57.14 | liable | Stinkywrix: good, fuck off. |
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| 08:57.41 | pon | !cookie |
| 08:57.43 | dpkg | Hey pon, wingate is a proxy/NAT program for windows, very insucre by default, is often used to "bounce" as an IRC proxy, checked for from vc.bc.ca |
| 08:57.45 | kaner | codester: i dont think so |
| 08:57.57 | qpee | Stinkywrix: yoou could just switched your brains on, to get material. |
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| 08:58.05 | icedp | tra1a1a: ok, thank you |
| 08:58.07 | pon | !cookie |
| 08:58.09 | dpkg | Hey pon, crin is a vetran of Shalak NY |
| 08:58.13 | Stinkywrix | Time for seriousness: What is the difference between each distro? More appropriatley, Gentoo and Debian? I mean they both run on Unix dont they? |
| 08:58.14 | tra1a1a | icedp: you're welcome |
| 08:58.20 | liable | pon: you can /msg the bot |
| 08:58.25 | kaner | Stinkywrix: google.com |
| 08:58.31 | pon | liable thank you |
| 08:58.38 | spdf | Stinkywrix, Are you serious? :) |
| 08:58.43 | Stinkywrix | Yes. |
| 08:58.50 | tra1a1a | Stinkywrix: no they, don't |
| 08:58.51 | liable | Stinkywrix: google |
| 08:58.55 | spdf | Stinkywrix, Neither of them run on Unix... |
| 08:58.57 | streuner | !gentoosmite Stinkywrix |
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| 08:58.58 | tra1a1a | and yes, google |
| 08:58.59 | codester | kaner: cause in linux, i have the correct time and date, and in bios and windows its different, when i change it linux time is wrong |
| 08:59.16 | jm_ | codester: /msg dpkg set time |
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| 08:59.50 | streuner | Stinky: read /msg dpkg why debian |
| 08:59.52 | kaner | codester: cat /etc/default/rcS | grep UTC |
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| 09:00.25 | streuner | Fluro: read /msg dpkg why debian |
| 09:00.34 | spdf | codester, /msg dpkg why debian |
| 09:00.37 | glick | do you think a new user would like kde or gnome? |
| 09:00.38 | streuner | Fluorescent: read /msg dpkg why debian |
| 09:00.41 | glick | a newbie? |
| 09:00.42 | codester | kamer: Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not. UTC=yes |
| 09:00.43 | pon | can i put dpkg in my channel? |
| 09:00.49 | pon | or is a private bot? |
| 09:00.51 | glick | what do you think he or she would like bette? |
| 09:01.06 | Fluorescent | Gnome probably |
| 09:01.16 | liable | wtf |
| 09:01.21 | Nigel | glick: KDE... |
| 09:01.22 | kaner | codester: well. your debian thinks you hw clock is set to utc. the rest is up to you :) |
| 09:01.35 | liable | pon: no yu cant |
| 09:01.38 | spdf | codester, tzconfig |
| 09:01.38 | liable | you |
| 09:01.43 | Martin_- | anyone here who can help me , i have an server with intel raid controller ' srcs16 ' and when i try to install with the debian installer it hangs on loading the module ' megaraid' , anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 09:01.44 | glick | so what is that apt-get install kde-desktop? |
| 09:01.48 | glick | and gnome-desktop? |
| 09:02.01 | liable | pon: dpkg is a bllotbot, install your own |
| 09:02.06 | Nigel | pon: download the original... |
| 09:02.16 | Nigel | glick: "kde" |
| 09:02.20 | streuner | glick: apt-get install kde or apt-get install gnome |
| 09:02.28 | codester | spdf: oh yeah about how i cant change resolution, its my fglrx driver =[ |
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| 09:02.41 | pon | i got it, thank you |
| 09:02.41 | liable | pon: blootbot |
| 09:02.52 | cyrille_ | hi |
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| 09:03.06 | spdf | codester, Edit your X config, and remove all resolutions but the one you want.. |
| 09:03.16 | _joey | which HDD's are nice, a good brand? |
| 09:03.18 | cyrille_ | how do I represent a space in shell? |
| 09:03.21 | liable | shit, having a fat finger night again :( |
| 09:03.24 | _joey | maxtor, seagate, ibm ? |
| 09:03.30 | codester | spdf: k =) |
| 09:03.45 | spdf | _joey, I use WD's and Seagates.. never had a problem.. |
| 09:04.12 | liable | cyrille_: #bash? |
| 09:04.15 | spdf | _joey, every maxtor I've ever owned has died a horrible and unexpected death.. likely my fault, but maybe not.. |
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| 09:04.19 | codester | spdf: you told me to tzconfig for the time, but my current time zone is setup correctly |
| 09:04.22 | cyrille_ | liable, yes, bash |
| 09:04.27 | avcibr | cyrille_: [backslash][space] in bash |
| 09:04.31 | codester | spdf: just that debian think my bios clock is set to utc |
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| 09:04.52 | kaner | codester: why oh why dont you change it then? :) |
| 09:04.55 | liable | cyrille_: no, i meant /j #bash |
| 09:04.56 | _joey | spdf I've had ibm for 4 years and it never failed |
| 09:05.10 | _joey | I've heard about WD being extra noisy |
| 09:05.27 | cyrille_ | i will be more precise... |
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| 09:05.31 | tra1a1a | cyrille_: or even better man bash and see escape characters |
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| 09:06.51 | spdf | codester, what does hwclock --utc tell you the time is? |
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| 09:07.17 | man_in_shack | i'm having trouble with nvidia module and fastwrites option |
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| 09:07.56 | cyrille_ | I have an input file, I need to get all the lines beginning with 1290, so I "egrep ^1290 PB005_20041214_000051_60.txt" but this can return lines beginning with 12900 for example... |
| 09:08.13 | man_in_shack | i have NVreg_EnableFW=1 options enabled in /etc/modprobe.d and /etc/modutils files |
| 09:08.27 | man_in_shack | /etc/modprobe.conf has the correct options |
| 09:08.28 | codester | spdf: Mon 30 May 2005 19:07:56 EST -0.654580 seconds <-- which is correct but in bios its different |
| 09:08.41 | man_in_shack | but when the module gets loaded it doesn't have FW enabled |
| 09:08.57 | nkuttler | cyrille_: ^1290\ with a trailing space |
| 09:08.57 | kensuke | if I wanted to use APT to manage some packages for an application we are gonna write, would apt manage an 6Gig package file ? |
| 09:09.01 | codester | kaner: so i change it in /etc/rcS.d ? |
| 09:09.09 | man_in_shack | if i explicitly load it with modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableFW=1, it works |
| 09:09.11 | codester | kaner: UTC=no ? |
| 09:09.20 | tra1a1a | cyrille_: do egrep '^1290 ' or egrep '^1290\ ' |
| 09:09.36 | liable | kensuke: wtf 6G? |
| 09:09.40 | man_in_shack | where do i need to put the NVreg_EnableFW=1 option? |
| 09:10.01 | kensuke | liable: it woudl be a data package, broadcast via sat, containing video data |
| 09:10.02 | tra1a1a | cyrille_: and focus on the regular expression section in man grep |
| 09:10.03 | kaner | codester: either that or you find the command that does the same :) |
| 09:10.08 | man_in_shack | s/EnableFW/EnableAGPFW/ 8) |
| 09:10.15 | kensuke | liable: think apt would manage ? |
| 09:10.28 | codester | kaner: what command would that be? i am still noob =P |
| 09:10.30 | liable | kensuke: why would you want to use apt for it? |
| 09:10.30 | spdf | kensuke, I think that's a question for the devels.. |
| 09:10.43 | kaner | codester: i dont know |
| 09:10.48 | liable | kensuke: how the fuck would you use apt for it? |
| 09:11.02 | spdf | kensuke, It really doesn't seem like something you'd need apt for though.. |
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| 09:11.26 | glick | for xserver config a imps2 mouse |
| 09:11.36 | kensuke | liable: there are diffeerent modules that require different data packages. I want to let apt manage the dependencies, instead of erinventing the wheel. Infact, its actually dpkg I should be asking about, not apt, my mistake |
| 09:11.38 | glick | what do i choose /dev/inpu/mice |
| 09:11.38 | glick | ? |
| 09:11.50 | rexx | can anyone help me setting up an active directory in linux? |
| 09:11.53 | kensuke | s/ manage the dependencies, instead of erinventing the wheel. Infact, its actually dpkg I should |
| 09:11.59 | kensuke | aarg |
| 09:12.03 | liable | kensuke: you said video files? |
| 09:12.04 | Guerin | glick: what kind of mouse? |
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| 09:12.17 | kensuke | liable: ya, +- 6 gigs worth |
| 09:12.19 | glick | Guerin, Imps2 |
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| 09:12.28 | paulswm | Bore da, #debian |
| 09:12.36 | Guerin | glick: that's not a kind of mouse, that's a mouse driver. Guess again. |
| 09:12.38 | glick | a wheel ps mouse |
| 09:12.44 | alojizas | alo |
| 09:12.46 | glick | Guerin, so psaux? |
| 09:12.48 | alojizas | muhahaahah |
| 09:12.57 | Guerin | glick: wtf is a wheel ps mouse? |
| 09:13.03 | alojizas | helo every body |
| 09:13.12 | Guerin | glick: can you be a bit more vague, please? |
| 09:13.15 | spdf | codester, You're right, change it to UTC=no |
| 09:13.16 | glick | Guerin, its s ps2 mouse and it hsa a scroll wheel |
| 09:13.17 | liable | kensuke: #debian-mentors |
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| 09:13.24 | Guerin | glick: psaux |
| 09:13.27 | kensuke | liable: thankx |
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| 09:13.34 | glick | Guerin, |
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| 09:13.40 | Guerin | glick, |
| 09:13.43 | glick | Guerin, thanks |
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| 09:13.46 | Guerin | go easy on your enter kkey |
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| 09:14.41 | liable | paulswm: translation? |
| 09:14.57 | simonrvn | rexx: AD doesn't run on linux... |
| 09:15.00 | paulswm | liable: Welsh "Good day" :) |
| 09:15.18 | liable | paulswm: hehe, good day, you welsh? |
| 09:15.27 | man_in_shack | no one helping me for once :( |
| 09:15.28 | simonrvn | sunday lingers .... |
| 09:15.44 | ethics | simonrvn, linux as a bdc maybe? |
| 09:15.47 | paulswm | liable: Yes, but a South Welsh English speaker, I remember little Welsh really |
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| 09:16.03 | ethics | simonrvn, i scratched my head too but i thought i was wrong |
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| 09:16.51 | giupy | hi all |
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| 09:17.23 | liable | paulswm: one of the most confusing languages I ever heard I reckon :) |
| 09:17.31 | simonrvn | @kill M$hit slowly |
| 09:17.39 | crb | 'evening |
| 09:17.41 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 09:17.53 | crb | I have, erm, a Woody and PHP problem. (cries) |
| 09:17.59 | giupy | i have downloaded a rar archive , and how can i always do, i have opened mc for copyng the files i want from that archive but when i try copying a file, it results of 0 bye, why? |
| 09:18.04 | simonrvn | large trout will just make them smell funny if it's gone bad... |
| 09:18.07 | paulswm | liable: Yes, a language in which the beginnings of words change depending on context is a bit hard :) |
| 09:18.12 | simonrvn | ...hmm, unless they eat it =) |
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| 09:18.20 | Knight_Lord | What is the best way of knowing precisely how much memory a program is using? |
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| 09:18.28 | crb | I've got a system that thinks zendapi-20010901 isn't installed, yet php4 is installed and it has a Provides: for zendapi-20010901. |
| 09:18.33 | giupy | Knight_Lord, top ? |
| 09:18.40 | simonrvn | polysomething... shit i just had it a minute ago... |
| 09:18.46 | simonrvn | wikipedia knows |
| 09:19.08 | Knight_Lord | giupy top is rather clumsy i think. Does it give something other than percentages? |
| 09:19.15 | crb | polyglot? |
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| 09:19.21 | liable | paulswm: but I am language retarded, no matter what, even english :) |
| 09:19.23 | simonrvn | giupy: extract it properly |
| 09:19.28 | simonrvn | no, not -glot |
| 09:19.33 | liable | supposedly my native tongue |
| 09:19.36 | giupy | simonrvn, with unrar |
| 09:19.39 | Fare | hi |
| 09:19.41 | crb | (I missed the beginning of your conversation sorry) |
| 09:19.47 | simonrvn | polysythetic |
| 09:19.48 | Fare | What's the command / package to configure X graphically? |
| 09:19.51 | simonrvn | syn* |
| 09:19.52 | amorphix | !furrywolf |
| 09:19.57 | amorphix | !seen furrywolf |
| 09:19.59 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 4030 messages. Is idling for 3h 28m 18s |
| 09:20.01 | rexx | simonrvn, I know that AD doesn't run on linux but I also know that is possible to setup a similar system |
| 09:20.02 | paulswm | !fruitsmite simonrvn |
| 09:20.05 | Guerin | !drxx fare |
| 09:20.07 | dpkg | fare: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 09:20.11 | paulswm | simonrvn: There, that smells better :) |
| 09:20.20 | liable | amorphix: thought you got it going? |
| 09:20.20 | giupy | Knight_Lord, try launch it :) |
| 09:20.21 | Guerin | Fare: and don't tell me it's not graphical. |
| 09:20.33 | Fare | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 09:21.10 | simonrvn | polysynthetic even. hmm, is welsh polysynthetic? it's n-gaelic i think? so ... not really, porbably more polymorphic or whatever it's called |
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| 09:21.26 | jethro | amorphix: you don't *have to* !seen furrywolf every time you join #debian. you can as well /msg the bot |
| 09:21.32 | amorphix | liable: so did i :-( not the case tho, ive managed to get the Wacom pad talking (baud rate was set too high) from the shell, but no movement in X |
| 09:21.32 | Knight_Lord | giupy i can only see something like 0.8% of memory |
| 09:21.39 | simonrvn | rexx: yes. samba + heimdal kerberos + openldap |
| 09:21.51 | liable | plyarginthefoosythfoomargic |
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| 09:21.54 | liable | :) |
| 09:21.58 | liable | welsh |
| 09:22.03 | giupy | Knight_Lord, so i don't know how can you see that what you want :) |
| 09:22.06 | streuner_ | bonjour jethro :-) |
| 09:22.15 | rexx | simonrvn, I got samba and ldap up and running |
| 09:22.23 | jethro | hi streuner_, simonrvn and paulswm |
| 09:22.28 | ethics | amorphix have you set it up as a second pointer device? |
| 09:22.29 | paulswm | liable: qotd114 should always make you feel better :) |
| 09:22.40 | Martin_- | anyone here who can help me , i have an server with intel raid controller ' srcs16 ' and when i try to install with the debian installer it hangs on loading the module ' megaraid' , anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 09:22.40 | Knight_Lord | giupy i need much better precision than 0.8% |
| 09:22.47 | paulswm | Bon matin, jethro :) |
| 09:22.48 | simonrvn | so stick in heimdal with ldap support, plus a patch to do sub-tree searches instead of base searches, and you're good to go |
| 09:22.49 | streuner_ | !qotd114 |
| 09:22.49 | dpkg | methinks qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 09:22.56 | simonrvn | jethro: 'lo |
| 09:23.00 | liable | paulswm: hehe |
| 09:23.04 | amorphix | ethics: all i've done is add the X config and restarted X |
| 09:23.04 | Knight_Lord | giupy i want the exact number of bytes |
| 09:23.07 | rexx | simonrvn do you think you could spare me some minutes and review some settings... I can't get this to work... |
| 09:23.21 | rexx | I think I did something wrong somewhere |
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| 09:23.29 | liable | paulswm: you keep them at hand? or memorised :) |
| 09:23.30 | amorphix | I think the problem might be in the driver module compilation |
| 09:23.32 | rexx | I must have... |
| 09:23.37 | giupy | Knight_Lord, i'm sure that there is something like what you want... |
| 09:23.37 | simonrvn | 1) read your logs |
| 09:23.46 | simonrvn | 2) read your logs |
| 09:23.55 | ethics | amorphix, so you edited xf86config-4 and added wacom table using the dev/wacom or mouse2 or whatever it is? |
| 09:24.13 | simonrvn | 3) tcpdump if 1) and 2) don't show anything useful |
| 09:24.23 | giupy | Knight_Lord, try search with apt-cache |
| 09:24.34 | simonrvn | 4) go bug the folks in #ldap if it's an ldap thing |
| 09:25.05 | Knight_Lord | giupy cat /proc/<PID>/status is good enough |
| 09:25.13 | Knight_Lord | or almost actually |
| 09:25.15 | spdf | I just hit my crotch on the corner of my desk. So much pain. |
| 09:25.42 | paulswm | Ouch, that's gotta hurt. |
| 09:25.43 | amorphix | ethics: can you /join #flood and I'll show you what i put? |
| 09:25.45 | man_in_shack | anyone help me with enabling AGP Fastwrite by default? |
| 09:25.47 | moreon | perhaps you should wear a cup |
| 09:25.50 | spdf | ... and they heard me yell in the other offices |
| 09:25.51 | giupy | Knight_Lord, k, i don't need to know it, however thanks :) |
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| 09:26.48 | amorphix | ethics: is it wrong? |
| 09:26.58 | Fare | Guerin: worked perfectly! |
| 09:27.03 | Guerin | Fare: rippa mate! |
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| 09:27.15 | Fare | rippa? |
| 09:27.31 | spdf | Last I remember, Rippa was what we called a decent fart around these parts.. |
| 09:27.33 | giupy | oh, unrar -t says me that it has found 23 errors, i think that archive is corrupted |
| 09:27.36 | Guerin | it means 'that's jolly good, old chap!' |
| 09:27.41 | Fare | oh :) |
| 09:28.00 | qpee | can i tell flite or festival to use an audio output other than /dev/dsp ? |
| 09:28.17 | amorphix | ethics: should perhaps mention it's a serial pad, but i expect you gathered that already |
| 09:28.20 | d03boy | kain, im really beginning to get sick of firefox crashing when i watch a quicktime movie... not to mention i hear no sound.. do I need another plugin for this with vlc? |
| 09:28.26 | stv | Is there a way to specify a dependency on a subsystem of the kernel in a .deb file? I have a package that needs an kernel with "autofs" compiled |
| 09:28.27 | d03boy | kain? i meant k |
| 09:28.28 | ethics | amorphix, i havent got my wacom here it's at work but i thought there was more to the stylus config...sensitivity on presure etc but they may be optional...and mines usb so it comes up unde /dev/wacom on mine....other than that yeah i think your right...i cant confirm the dev or settigs tho |
| 09:28.30 | simonrvn | oooow - crotch in desk cornerr |
| 09:28.34 | Fare | oh, and for some reason, MAKEDEV audio creates stuff in /dev/.static/dev but not in /dev -- does it mean my SB audigy was not recognized by the kernel or some such? |
| 09:29.19 | Fare | and hooray for France! |
| 09:29.19 | amorphix | ethics: ok man, thanks for looking anyways |
| 09:29.23 | spdf | simonrvn, You didn't just do it too? |
| 09:29.27 | ethics | amorphix. i honestly dont remember doing much else tho amorphix |
| 09:29.27 | Fare | ethics: do you exist? |
| 09:29.37 | simonrvn | no, just empathy pain |
| 09:29.41 | amorphix | how did the vote go for France? |
| 09:30.04 | amorphix | last i heard is was 56% no and 90% counted |
| 09:30.05 | ethics | fare...on most days..sometimes i take thursdays and fridays off but the world misses me.. |
| 09:30.07 | Fare | amorphix: as well as it could. |
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| 09:30.10 | spdf | simonrvn, Did you empathize a bit of pinch too? |
| 09:30.11 | bbrazil | amorphix: no |
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| 09:30.15 | amorphix | damn |
| 09:30.16 | Fare | http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/007601.html |
| 09:30.25 | amorphix | thats terrible |
| 09:30.32 | Fare | that's great, you mean! |
| 09:30.41 | bbrazil | brilliant news |
| 09:30.43 | amorphix | how can it be great?? thats set Europe right back |
| 09:30.45 | Fare | socialism victim of its own propaganda |
| 09:30.47 | amorphix | and France |
| 09:30.52 | simonrvn | spdf: no, but good point. it would pinch |
| 09:30.56 | Fare | France is already going down the drain. |
| 09:31.06 | amorphix | heh |
| 09:31.11 | Fare | at least it wo'nt take Europe with it. |
| 09:31.12 | paulswm | :D |
| 09:31.17 | spdf | lol |
| 09:31.24 | simonrvn | oh puhleeeeze lay off the EU crap |
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| 09:31.26 | spdf | I don't live there, therefore, not my problem.. |
| 09:31.44 | Fare | spdf: you don't live in Iran, but when Iran gets the Nuke, it'll be your problem. |
| 09:31.45 | liable | socialism? isnt that hitler? |
| 09:31.48 | simonrvn | it's a business deal just like deep integration and free trade |
| 09:31.59 | amorphix | I think it's more a protest vote at the French gov than at Europe |
| 09:32.03 | Fare | And since France has nukes and hates america, when it gets a communist dictator, that'll be your problem, too |
| 09:32.11 | simonrvn | liable: no you dumbass. that's /national/ socialism... |
| 09:32.14 | spdf | Fare, Those are completely different scenarios... |
| 09:32.30 | Fare | spdf: in both cases, nukes directed at any free country. |
| 09:32.33 | liable | simonrvn: yes I am a dumbass :) |
| 09:32.34 | Martin_- | anyone here who can help me , i have an server with intel raid controller ' srcs16 ' and when i try to install with the debian installer it hangs on loading the module ' megaraid' , anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 09:32.39 | amorphix | hehe |
| 09:32.54 | spdf | Fare, I thought we were talking about software patents... lol |
| 09:33.14 | amorphix | oh well, i wonder if my Wacom pad will ever work |
| 09:33.14 | paulswm | !prize spdf |
| 09:33.22 | spdf | !win spdf |
| 09:33.22 | ethics | Martin are you trying linux26 at the boot prompt? |
| 09:33.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, spdf! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 09:33.27 | simonrvn | liable: hehe |
| 09:33.36 | Martin_- | ethics i tried both |
| 09:33.47 | simonrvn | liable: eew. and it's kampf fyi... |
| 09:33.52 | Fare | simonrvn, national socialism is actually better than international socialism |
| 09:33.55 | stv | Does anybody know a Debian package syntax like "Depends: autofs", but that checks for a kernel compiled with that feature, not an installed package? |
| 09:34.04 | liable | simonrvn: grammer nazi :) |
| 09:34.13 | ethics | Martin: is it actually a megaraid driven card or just a hang on a nonused driver? |
| 09:34.19 | simonrvn | Fare: yeh right. tell yourself that enough, and maybe you'll believe it... |
| 09:34.20 | Fare | mein camphr? |
| 09:34.24 | Martin_- | ethics it seems that it's needing megaraid2 driver , but i cant select it anywhere |
| 09:34.28 | jethro | kampf |
| 09:34.32 | kaner | omg it look like we've got ourselfes some political experts here |
| 09:34.33 | paulswm | Hey Fare, /join #politics |
| 09:34.37 | Fare | simonrvn, national socialism: 10 million dead. international socialism: 100 million dead. |
| 09:34.39 | Martin_- | ethics i found on google that there are alot of bugs with this megaraid thingie |
| 09:34.51 | simonrvn | Fare: they both suck. your point? |
| 09:35.03 | tra1a1a | btw is this book still forbidden? |
| 09:35.11 | Fare | an order of magnitude in success matters |
| 09:35.12 | liable | tra1a1a: where? |
| 09:35.16 | spdf | tra1a1a, What book? |
| 09:35.20 | jethro | tra1a1a: I didn't know it was. |
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| 09:35.30 | Fare | jethro: do you know lord sutch? |
| 09:35.35 | simonrvn | Fare: #define SUCCESS |
| 09:35.45 | jethro | Fare: what's your point? |
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| 09:35.48 | tra1a1a | liable: wherever |
| 09:36.02 | ethics | Martin yeah it normally autoprobes...what you could do is at the installer you can swap to another tty (altf2) and manually probe the module (modprobe module) with the right settings and then i think it would get an already loaded when probed thus missing the hang...others may have a better idea tho |
| 09:36.04 | tra1a1a | jethro: I've heard it was once... |
| 09:36.08 | Fare | anyway. How do I test if my sound card is supported? |
| 09:36.14 | tra1a1a | in .de |
| 09:36.26 | liable | shuddup no more politics, lets talk about religein :) |
| 09:36.39 | liable | or however its spelt |
| 09:36.40 | Fare | liable: vi or emacs? |
| 09:36.51 | Fare | (it's spelt xemacs) |
| 09:36.51 | spdf | liable, ion.. |
| 09:36.52 | jethro | tra1a1a: ah . not surprising for .de |
| 09:36.54 | ethics | hows the new pope going? |
| 09:36.56 | paulswm | http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/viman.gif |
| 09:37.08 | paulswm | !start an editor war |
| 09:37.08 | dpkg | xemacs users can't think straight |
| 09:37.10 | simonrvn | ethics: hopefully fast |
| 09:37.17 | spdf | Does anyone else think that the new pope looks like Emporer Palpatine? |
| 09:37.32 | tra1a1a | jethro: I'm not sure though. I don't even remember where I've heard it from. |
| 09:37.43 | ethics | simonrvn, always wanted them to supe up the popemobile...stick on the monster truck wheels etc |
| 09:37.49 | paulswm | I though he looked like Uncle Fester from the Addams Family |
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| 09:37.57 | tra1a1a | !stop an editor war |
| 09:38.00 | liable | paulswm: hehe |
| 09:38.05 | paulswm | :D |
| 09:38.18 | simonrvn | ethics: hehe... don't make me laugh too hard, i have injured ribs |
| 09:38.24 | Martin_- | ethics megaraid2 isnt included in the current debian installler |
| 09:38.54 | liable | pokes, fuck arghh, cant type, HELP |
| 09:39.06 | paulswm | !tickle simonrvn |
| 09:39.08 | ethics | hmm then i guess your asking the channel about it....unless you can boot off another and swap later with a compiled module... |
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| 09:39.15 | paulswm | WHAT? |
| 09:39.45 | Overand | hm |
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| 09:39.46 | jethro | tra1a1a: german tv channels keep on programming stuff about the second world war, and how it was horrible, as if it were an apology for what's been done during ww2 |
| 09:39.49 | Overand | looks like tickle is broken |
| 09:40.04 | ethics | EVERYONE...anyone got a solution for a module not on the net-installer?scsi controller |
| 09:40.08 | jethro | tra1a1a: so I wouldn't be much surprised if the book was illegal there |
| 09:40.15 | simonrvn | probably some mods to the variables |
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| 09:40.43 | simonrvn | ethics: re-fetch some installer modules? |
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| 09:41.16 | ethics | simonrvn, any idea how to do it? Martin_ has the need |
| 09:41.17 | liable | ethics: what module, controler, whatever |
| 09:41.44 | ethics | liable simonrvn apparently the card is covered in megaraid2 module |
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| 09:41.55 | Martin_- | its an intel raid srcs16 controller |
| 09:41.59 | liable | ewww raid |
| 09:42.04 | Martin_- | it trys to load megaraid |
| 09:42.06 | Martin_- | but then hangs, |
| 09:42.16 | Martin_- | i found on google that it might work with megaraid2 |
| 09:42.26 | simonrvn | ethics: so do the h/w-detect and load the mod, or do it manually |
| 09:42.41 | ethics | simonrvn, its not on the cd.. |
| 09:42.42 | Martin_- | but somehow i cant seem to force it to use megaraid2 ( i guess its not even included ) |
| 09:42.58 | simonrvn | bleh |
| 09:43.25 | ethics | simonrvn, or it is and martin cant probe it |
| 09:43.26 | liable | Martin_-: custom boot cd? try it |
| 09:43.28 | Martin_- | i found this , but i dont know if this will work for me |
| 09:43.29 | Martin_- | http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=4019 |
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| 09:43.45 | Martin_- | its not a dell server ;) |
| 09:43.57 | Martin_- | but it's almost the same problem they talk about like i have |
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| 09:47.44 | paulswm | !test |
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| 09:50.28 | liable | hmm |
| 09:50.35 | liable | !test |
| 09:50.35 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you're still online. |
| 09:50.41 | liable | wohoo |
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| 09:52.07 | Guerin | !kill incompetent fools who replace a simple interface with a complicated, broken one |
| 09:52.11 | jethro | aaahh Zv2S has another owned box to run from |
| 09:52.17 | Guerin | in this case not a UI, but a billing interface |
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| 09:53.08 | liable | jethro: ?? |
| 09:53.28 | jethro | liable: what do these question marks mean? |
| 09:53.35 | liable | haha |
| 09:53.36 | Fare | hum, there is a weird background noise when I use the snd-emu10k1 driver :( |
| 09:53.43 | Overand | Fare: =[ |
| 09:53.53 | Overand | check your mixer |
| 09:54.01 | liable | !eat jethro |
| 09:54.04 | Overand | you might have an analog in turned on |
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| 09:54.12 | Fare | Overand: how do I know? |
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| 09:54.41 | Overand | Fare: start up the mixer... |
| 09:54.41 | snadge | anyone know how to make linux close open tcp connections when the ppp interface associated with them is brought down? |
| 09:54.51 | liable | !tell giupy about away |
| 09:55.02 | liable | jethro: that was a joke right? |
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| 09:55.09 | snadge | or at least reduce the delay significantly.. i've had irc sessions take over 20 minutes to time out |
| 09:55.18 | jethro | liable: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 09:55.38 | liable | 19:52 < jethro> aaahh Zv2S has another owned box to run from |
| 09:55.51 | Fare | the noise is proportional to the volume of the thing played |
| 09:56.01 | Fare | could it come from the mpg321 player? |
| 09:56.19 | liable | jethro: ^^ |
| 09:56.20 | spdf | Fare, Play something from another player.. |
| 09:56.25 | Fare | snadge: there is a /etc/ppp/ip-up script |
| 09:56.35 | Fare | and ip-down script |
| 09:56.35 | jethro | liable: I was being serious |
| 09:56.37 | liable | Guerin: role playing? |
| 09:56.43 | liable | jethro: oh |
| 09:56.52 | Guerin | liable: jox0r |
| 09:57.00 | Guerin | ask Phated |
| 09:57.01 | liable | jethro: well why do you say that? |
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| 09:57.06 | snadge | fare: i was hoping some sort of system wide option.. its not trivial to restart or notify gui applications to reconnect |
| 09:57.13 | Phated | OI! |
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| 09:57.37 | Guerin | Phated: 'oi' is the korean word for cucumber |
| 09:57.43 | jethro | liable: do I really have to justify every single thing I typing in #debian? I do believe Zv2S is a bot running from owned boxes. that's all |
| 09:57.50 | Guerin | I'm curious as to why you picked that vegetable in particular |
| 09:57.55 | jethro | s/typing/type/ |
| 09:58.00 | Phated | Guerin: ... Shutup. |
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| 09:58.20 | liable | jethro: yaeah ok, ffs, no you dont |
| 09:58.39 | jethro | liable: thanks for your approval :p |
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| 09:59.38 | Overand | heh |
| 09:59.44 | Phated | Ooooh, a fruit! |
| 09:59.49 | Phated | Guerin: Which? |
| 09:59.57 | RichiH | Phated: a fruity one |
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| 10:00.08 | Phated | Singularly unhelpful. |
| 10:00.18 | Overand | jethro: i believe that you are a markov chain AI bot running from a windows NT 3.51 box written in Quickbasic 4.5 |
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| 10:00.51 | jethro | Overand: I m running on a freebsd/arm box, but the quickbasic thingie was right |
| 10:01.03 | Overand | heh |
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| 10:01.16 | Overand | is it win nt 3.51 INSIDE BOCHS?! |
| 10:01.23 | Overand | *I KNEW IT* |
| 10:01.25 | Fare | same problem with different earphones and with the oss driver |
| 10:01.28 | Overand | note the telling pause |
| 10:01.30 | jethro | bocchs doesn't run on ARM |
| 10:01.37 | Overand | Fare: *check your mixer* |
| 10:01.39 | Fare | maybe linux sucks at supporting this sound card? |
| 10:01.40 | Overand | jethro: really? |
| 10:01.45 | Overand | Fare: i have one. it works fine |
| 10:01.51 | masoft | anybody here used anjuta ? |
| 10:01.52 | Overand | SB Live (some edition or other) |
| 10:01.56 | spdf | Fare, Check the Line In, maybe mute all the input stuff.. |
| 10:02.05 | spdf | Fare, Can't think of anything else.. |
| 10:02.06 | Overand | spdf: that's what i told him |
| 10:02.11 | Overand | mic in is important to mute |
| 10:02.13 | Overand | line in |
| 10:02.15 | Overand | etc etc. |
| 10:02.17 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 10:02.18 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:02.24 | jethro | Overand: I need to double check it hold on a sec |
| 10:02.50 | Overand | jethro: what's the actual box, anyway? |
| 10:02.56 | Fare | overand: I see nothing wrong with the mixer. well, aumix says it finds no device, and alsamixer doesn't find any input stuff. I tried to play with the available things, in vain |
| 10:02.59 | Overand | (assuming you have an actual ARM box) |
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| 10:03.01 | TMM | hi all! |
| 10:03.08 | jethro | Overand: the one I m ircing from ? |
| 10:03.10 | Overand | Fare: i'd call 'no device' and 'no input stuff' problems |
| 10:03.17 | Overand | jethro: do you have n actual arm box, i mean |
| 10:03.17 | TMM | is there anyone that knows if it is possible to have snmpd report the 'real' system uptime? |
| 10:03.57 | masoft | anybody here used anjuta ? |
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| 10:04.10 | spdf | masoft, I don't think so. |
| 10:04.21 | spdf | masoft, They might have answered you the first time. |
| 10:04.29 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 10:04.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:04.30 | masoft | spdf, it seems doesn't work on Debian ! |
| 10:04.30 | liable | !tell masoft about repeat |
| 10:04.33 | Guerin | masoft: there's your answer |
| 10:04.45 | spdf | masoft, So ask Anjuta's dev team about it.. |
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| 10:04.57 | spdf | masoft, Do you have any specific errors? |
| 10:06.15 | jethro | Overand: not really |
| 10:06.23 | Overand | jethro: that's too bad. heh |
| 10:06.31 | masoft | spdf, it's not related to them ! it works under Slackware. ((the application "anjuta" has quit unexpectedly)) it's the error |
| 10:06.33 | Overand | i've always wanted a non-x86 box =[ |
| 10:06.46 | jethro | Overand: I ve had an alpha for a while |
| 10:07.09 | Fare | aumix is disingenious, and alsamixer can modify the volume, but the noise is proportional to the volume and to the volume of stuff actually being played (i.e. none is no music, the louder with the louder music) |
| 10:07.14 | jethro | Overand: get yourself a second hand one, or some other exotic stuff |
| 10:07.15 | spdf | masoft, What are you running? Stable/Testing/UnStable? |
| 10:07.23 | masoft | spdf, testing |
| 10:07.27 | Overand | yeah, jethro |
| 10:07.28 | Fare | there's a "capture" volume in alsamixer, but it changes nothing |
| 10:07.31 | jm_ | TMM: it doesn't do it by default? |
| 10:07.33 | spdf | masoft, And you've install anjuta-common? |
| 10:07.41 | Overand | Fare: you *should* be able to mute inputs. |
| 10:07.51 | Overand | and i don't mean INPUTS like on the 'record mixer' |
| 10:07.52 | Guerin | Fare: hit f5 for all channels |
| 10:07.57 | Overand | i mean on the 'playback' mixer |
| 10:07.58 | masoft | spdf, yes |
| 10:07.58 | Fare | everything was muted in the beginning |
| 10:08.01 | jm_ | TMM: i.e. hrSystemUptime.0? |
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| 10:08.26 | spdf | masoft, well, I don't use it, and have never installed it, so I won't be much help to you.. |
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| 10:08.45 | masoft | spdf, anyway, thx ;) |
| 10:08.57 | Guerin | masoft: just use emacs |
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| 10:09.18 | spdf | masoft, Are you using it under Gnome? |
| 10:09.19 | Fare | Guerin: doesn't change a thing. |
| 10:09.21 | masoft | Guerin, emacs is a editor, not a IDE ! |
| 10:09.28 | liable | wtf |
| 10:09.33 | Guerin | masoft: a common misconception. |
| 10:09.35 | jethro | !ops KusursuZ spamming |
| 10:09.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KusursuZ spamming |
| 10:09.36 | masoft | spdf, yes |
| 10:09.39 | Fare | Guerin: F5 has new disabled channels appear, but they are at 0 |
| 10:09.54 | jethro | KusursuZ: stop that, moron |
| 10:09.55 | *** kick/#debian [KusursuZ!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 10:09.57 | Fare | (actually, before I used alsamixer, sound volume was at 0 everywhere) |
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| 10:10.00 | Guerin | !ops kill KusursuZ before I pen him |
| 10:10.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kill KusursuZ before I pen him |
| 10:10.11 | Guerin | err, pwn |
| 10:10.19 | jethro | :) |
| 10:10.22 | liable | heh |
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| 10:10.42 | jm_ | KusursuZ: shut up |
| 10:10.55 | Guerin | masoft: there's nothing an ide can do that emacs can't |
| 10:11.02 | portahex | yet more proof directhex should be an op, to obliterate such spammers |
| 10:11.07 | liran_ | just wondering if anybody knows how to convert unix time into actual human-readable time? |
| 10:11.25 | liable | liran_: wtf, you mean gmt? |
| 10:11.26 | Guerin | liran_: there's a perl function for that exact purpose |
| 10:11.27 | jm_ | liran_: date |
| 10:11.30 | masoft | Guerin, it help not waste my time very time for designing GUIs |
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| 10:11.35 | jethro | !wb paulswm |
| 10:11.36 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! paulswm has returned! |
| 10:11.49 | paulswm | *boing* |
| 10:11.56 | jm_ | liran_: info coreutils -> System context -> date invocation |
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| 10:12.01 | jm_ | then read all about it |
| 10:12.03 | liable | ffs |
| 10:12.06 | jm_ | it's also in examples |
| 10:12.13 | Kitan | Whats new, guys? |
| 10:12.15 | jethro | too bad we never have ops around when we need them |
| 10:12.18 | Guerin | well, the avocados we bought which were rock-hard a week ago are now ripe and juicy |
| 10:12.21 | paulswm | o.O |
| 10:12.38 | paulswm | We need ops? |
| 10:12.38 | Fare | the problem MIGHT come because of the sblaster having somehow the same IRQ as the eth0 -- bad! |
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| 10:12.49 | jethro | instead of that, we have ops sometimes advertising other distros and +q'ing regulars |
| 10:12.52 | spdf | Guerin, Good to hear. I remember you were quite worried about them avacados.. |
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| 10:12.52 | Fare | I think that's the problem, though I don't know how it happens |
| 10:12.54 | jethro | paulswm: for a spammer, yes |
| 10:13.23 | Guerin | well, at US$3 per, unripe... |
| 10:13.29 | Fare | yes, some weird micro-skipping definitely SOUNDS like an IRQ problem |
| 10:13.29 | llama32 | man i love gtk's themes :) |
| 10:13.32 | paulswm | jethro: Oh :( |
| 10:13.47 | Fare | how do I force the driver to use a different IRQ? Need I configure something in the BIOS? |
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| 10:14.01 | jm_ | Fare: is it a PCI card? |
| 10:14.10 | Fare | yes |
| 10:14.15 | jm_ | then try changing its slot |
| 10:14.29 | portahex | your manual should cover which irqs correspond to which slots |
| 10:14.30 | DotHack | is today the day? |
| 10:14.33 | Fare | apparently, USB, eth0 and sound all use the same irq(!!!!) |
| 10:14.45 | jm_ | that's normal, and usually causes no problems |
| 10:14.47 | Guerin | DotHack: today is Monday. |
| 10:14.55 | spdf | DotHack, No. Sorry. June 7th or something like that.. |
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| 10:15.13 | DotHack | so no new stable? |
| 10:15.15 | liable | then the 14th, then the 21st :) |
| 10:15.18 | Fare | jm_: I hear a lot of microcuts in the sound. |
| 10:15.24 | amorphix | ive been pinged |
| 10:15.32 | liable | !ping |
| 10:15.32 | dpkg | pong |
| 10:15.34 | masoft | is there any command that I can see, when the last time someone came here ? |
| 10:15.36 | jm_ | Fare: is it on-board sound card? |
| 10:15.38 | amorphix | hehe |
| 10:15.46 | Guerin | masoft: /msg dpkg seen badgers |
| 10:15.52 | Fare | no, pci card, on an old ASUS athlon mobo I saved from scrap |
| 10:15.55 | TMM | jm_: no, I was reading the wrong node |
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| 10:16.16 | difficult | Hi, can anyone give me a hand with an ip-up.d script please? If I do pon connection_name should my script live in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/connection_name with permission 755 ? |
| 10:16.41 | GyrosGeier | difficult, ip-up is for after the fact |
| 10:16.51 | TMM | jm_: system.sysUpTime.0 is the uptime of the snmp server and host.hrSystem.hrSystemUptime.0 is the 'real' uptime |
| 10:16.55 | GyrosGeier | difficult, those scripts are run when the connection is up |
| 10:16.59 | beardy | Fare: Do you have an option "Plug'n'Play OS" in your bios? Turn that off if it isnät already. (not sure if this helps) |
| 10:16.59 | TMM | jm_: very intuitive :P |
| 10:17.12 | jm_ | TMM: right |
| 10:17.16 | difficult | GyrosGeier : that's fine, I just want to have an automatic change to the routing table |
| 10:17.25 | _joey | For Intel Pentiu 4 3x, 775 socket, what is a good m/b ? |
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| 10:17.26 | GyrosGeier | difficult, in what way? |
| 10:17.32 | _joey | Intel, Asus ? |
| 10:17.42 | nudenurd | ello! |
| 10:17.53 | portahex | _joey, an athlon 64. |
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| 10:17.59 | nudenurd | can someone email me a virus please? Just set up a vir filter on my mail server but can't test it as my ISP blocks all outgoing viruses. EICAR would be fine.. address is testvirus\at\blits\.\com\.\au |
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| 10:18.10 | difficult | GyrosGeier I am connecting to a vpn on ppp1 and need to add 192.168.0.0/24 traffic to go through ppp1 everything else should go through ppp0 |
| 10:18.11 | nudenurd | sorry, strange request, but it's legit - promise! |
| 10:18.17 | Guerin | nudenurd: hahaha |
| 10:18.24 | nudenurd | :-) |
| 10:18.28 | Fare | _joey, ASUS |
| 10:18.47 | GyrosGeier | difficult, I'd do that in an ip-up script that checks whether the addresses assigned are VPN addresses. |
| 10:18.52 | ethics | if i take down your network what do i win? |
| 10:19.14 | beardy | An icecream? |
| 10:19.14 | ethics | wnders if he has a virus handy |
| 10:19.23 | GyrosGeier | difficult, don't match on the connection name, or it will fail if you have some other connection on ppp0 |
| 10:19.25 | spdf | ethics, a subpeona! |
| 10:19.31 | portahex | _joey, if you insist on intel, DFI make excellent boards. the lanparty 915 is okay |
| 10:19.50 | difficult | GyrosGeier: I have a script in ip-up.d however it doesn't seem to get called during startup, I have debug on when i run pon vpn |
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| 10:20.04 | GyrosGeier | difficult, the script is called after the link is set up |
| 10:20.04 | nudenurd | ethics: www.eicar.org |
| 10:20.15 | nudenurd | test virus, does no harm |
| 10:20.17 | ethics | joey 915/925 chipsets are ok...onboard sound is not quite supported 100 % but it does make sound |
| 10:20.48 | portahex | ethics, ich6 sound works on very recent alsa releases, from what i hear |
| 10:20.56 | Fare | KusursuZ needs klined |
| 10:21.03 | RichiH | Fare: he quit, already |
| 10:21.08 | difficult | GyrosGeier: it's not getting called at any point. I see it saying running ip-up scripts and finished running ip-up scripts in the debug and after that the tables still haven't changed |
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| 10:21.18 | ethics | yeah i use it...its not quite right yet and no midi or multichannel support...just basic pcm |
| 10:21.24 | GyrosGeier | difficult, hrm |
| 10:21.30 | beardy | I wonder what they get out of it, spamming I mean.. |
| 10:21.34 | portahex | ethics, the multichannel is down to hardware vs software capability though |
| 10:21.35 | GyrosGeier | difficult, x permission set on the script? |
| 10:21.37 | Guerin | beardy: one hit in 1000 |
| 10:21.41 | portahex | ethics, use dmix, or buy an audigy |
| 10:21.45 | difficult | GyrosGeier 755 is the permission |
| 10:21.55 | GyrosGeier | difficult, interpreter present? |
| 10:21.59 | portahex | ethics, this laptop is i915, and sound is good enough for what i use it for |
| 10:22.02 | ethics | i have a midi machine hehe |
| 10:22.03 | portahex | i.e. email and playing Uplink |
| 10:22.17 | difficult | I call pon vpn and the scrit is in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/vpn |
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| 10:22.25 | difficult | GyrosGeier : interpreter? |
| 10:22.31 | ethics | portahex, yeah it makes sound hehe |
| 10:22.32 | Guerin | nudenurd: pong? |
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| 10:22.39 | GyrosGeier | difficult, the name of the script doesn't matter |
| 10:22.46 | PiotrT | hello |
| 10:22.52 | GyrosGeier | difficult, the interpreter is the prog after the #! |
| 10:23.01 | difficult | GyrosGeier: ahh yeah that's bash |
| 10:23.06 | GyrosGeier | difficult, all scripts will be called always. |
| 10:23.17 | Fare | my oh my, I'm having a very difficult problem: finding a hostname for my machine! |
| 10:23.19 | difficult | GyrosGeier : ahh ok didn't realise that |
| 10:23.21 | ethics | portahex, it crackles a lil on mine atm but ill fix that i think |
| 10:23.21 | GyrosGeier | difficult, with full path, I presume. |
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| 10:23.42 | GyrosGeier | difficult, which is why you should match on the IP addresses or something else to identify your link |
| 10:23.45 | portahex | ethics, can't say i've noticed. hell, i'm doing so little with it i'm using ESD |
| 10:23.48 | difficult | GyrosGeier : where would an echo be output |
| 10:23.51 | Fare | what's the capital of spinachova? |
| 10:23.52 | ethics | Fare /etc/hostname |
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| 10:24.01 | GyrosGeier | difficult, I think it would end up in the syslog. |
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| 10:24.13 | GyrosGeier | difficult, but you can explicitly redirect it to /tmp/foo |
| 10:24.14 | difficult | if [ "${PPP_IPPARAM}" = "vpn" ]; then |
| 10:24.18 | difficult | is the check i do |
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| 10:24.41 | ethics | portahex, well as i say the alsa driver is limited atm hehe it works but not all of it |
| 10:24.48 | GyrosGeier | difficult, no idea on whether that works, echo it to some /tmp file and see |
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| 10:25.18 | difficult | GyrosGeier ok cheers will do that now |
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| 10:25.31 | portahex | ethics, much as creative labs couldn't write a good driver to save their lives, it's hard to fault emu10k under linux |
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| 10:26.00 | llama32 | who thinks a GUI/OS that looks and feels like the net (only more consistent) would be good or bad? |
| 10:26.12 | PiotrT | is there any howto/book about properly writing/packaging unix opensource programs? i'm talking about something which covers writing readmes, changelogs, using autoconf/automake, cvs and such stuff |
| 10:26.21 | Guerin | llama32: given the current state of the intarweb, i think it would be unusable |
| 10:26.28 | GyrosGeier | PiotrT, the autobook covers automake |
| 10:26.30 | ethics | im on a ensoniq card on my music pc also creative made good midi 8)...ill get an audigy if i need to do some samling etc |
| 10:26.48 | portahex | llama32, so a gui with animated gif backgrounds, flashing text, scrolling marqueres, and ms comic sans? |
| 10:26.54 | jvw | PiotrT: GNU has some guidelines and such about that, probably the closest to what you're looking for |
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| 10:27.33 | PiotrT | GyrosGeier, jvw: thanks |
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| 10:28.41 | jm_ | PiotrT: something that will cover all of that? not that I know |
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| 10:29.18 | beardy | difficult: Does that work, you need '==', not '=', don't you? |
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| 10:30.41 | PiotrT | jm_: as well it may be several howtos/books, but i've just told what i would like to learn |
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| 10:30.53 | difficult | beardy I'm not even getting my echo to /tmp/vpn.log which i have run before the check :| |
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| 10:30.58 | llama32 | Guerin, portahex: i mean [mainly] frames, links, and yeah i guess, pretty graphics sometimes :) |
| 10:31.11 | Guerin | frames? god. |
| 10:31.20 | Guerin | !tell llama32 about css |
| 10:31.25 | Guerin | grr |
| 10:31.32 | Guerin | not that css, the w3c one |
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| 10:31.44 | jm_ | PiotrT: there are individual manuals out there (for CVS, for auto-tools - you get changelogs for free with cvs and if you write decent commit comments, but I recommend you to us esomething else) |
| 10:31.44 | portahex | llama32, have you ever trtied writing some gtk2-perl? you might like it |
| 10:31.56 | portahex | llama32, or qt3, the end result should be the same |
| 10:32.05 | difficult | GyrosGeier : any idea why #!/bin/sh |
| 10:32.05 | difficult | echo "start script" >/tmp/imd.log |
| 10:32.08 | jm_ | PiotrT: autoconf et al: http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/ |
| 10:32.20 | PiotrT | jm_: something else? you mean what? |
| 10:32.22 | difficult | as the first two lines of my script won't give me any output to imd.log? |
| 10:32.43 | jm_ | PiotrT: svn, arch, bazar, darcs, ... |
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| 10:33.01 | GyrosGeier | difficult, not really, unless /bin/sh is broken. But you would already have noticed that |
| 10:33.02 | PiotrT | i'll take a look |
| 10:33.03 | paulswm | beardy: for strings, either '==' or '=', the latter is POSIX compliant |
| 10:33.23 | llama32 | portahex: im not interested in everything being in scripting languages but look like normal apps, im interested in apps being written in C/C++/obj-C and looking more like web pages... |
| 10:33.58 | beardy | paulswm: Ok, thanks. |
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| 10:35.17 | PiotrT | jm_: but what i'm looking for at most is some document describing how should i prepare and package sources to be most 'standards-compliant', such like most other gpl'd projects are |
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| 10:35.38 | vthiru | anyone know if it's possible to insert multipage .ps files into latex? |
| 10:35.42 | _joey | portahex why athlo 64 and not Intel ? |
| 10:35.44 | jm_ | PiotrT: well look on the GNU's site, like jvw has said |
| 10:35.46 | portahex | llama32, ever tried opengroupware? |
| 10:35.49 | PiotrT | what should be included besides readme, autoconf/automake stuff, sources themselves, etc |
| 10:35.54 | PiotrT | alright |
| 10:35.56 | portahex | _joey, um, because it's faster & better value for money, mostly |
| 10:35.57 | PiotrT | thanks |
| 10:36.29 | jm_ | PiotrT: most of them just include default INSTALL file, which often lacks useful information, so don't do that ;) |
| 10:36.42 | _joey | portahex I heard that Intel makes better quality chips |
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| 10:36.53 | portahex | _joey, you heard bullshit |
| 10:36.59 | llama32 | portahex: never heard of it, will google :) |
| 10:37.02 | _joey | portahex if you say so :) |
| 10:37.22 | jm_ | I have never had any issues with any of my AMD chips |
| 10:37.39 | ethics | _joey i heard j loops make things lots faster too....but ive yet to see anyone win the argument how |
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| 10:37.43 | portahex | _joey, i do, and i'm a freelancer for a major hardware website as well as well versed in cpu architecture, from a supercomputing perspective, for my day job |
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| 10:37.58 | tra1a1a | _joey: have a look at anandtech.com and decide for yourself |
| 10:38.09 | portahex | _joey, intel's pentium mobile is pretty good, but pentium 4 is a pile of ass |
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| 10:38.26 | Gathond | portahex: makes a great room heater though |
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| 10:38.32 | liable | or ass piles :) |
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| 10:38.43 | liable | ouch |
| 10:38.44 | _joey | Well |
| 10:38.49 | Trewas | newer amd64s also use only a third of electricity that pentium4s require |
| 10:38.54 | _joey | Thanks for your extra constructive feeback :) |
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| 10:39.05 | jak | hello. how can one search for a specific file? with apt-cache search? |
| 10:39.12 | portahex | Trewas, that's not accurate, unless you compare opteron EE to full irindale-core xeon |
| 10:39.15 | liable | jak: yes exactly |
| 10:39.19 | Martin_- | does ' linux dd' work for debian installer ? |
| 10:39.20 | thayboiMu | sarge is not out yet? |
| 10:39.28 | liable | thayboiMu: /topic |
| 10:39.33 | thayboiMu | yeah i know |
| 10:39.34 | paulswm | liable: They run hot, so may be useful in cauterization scenarios :> |
| 10:39.42 | liable | hahahha |
| 10:39.58 | jak | liable: do you know the option for searching in the file list of each package? is this possible? |
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| 10:40.09 | tra1a1a | jak: apt-file |
| 10:40.15 | liable | jak: what do you want to find? |
| 10:40.20 | dannyp | looks like I might be a new debian user |
| 10:40.22 | jak | rbg.h :) |
| 10:40.29 | _joey | portahex could you recommend motherboard for Athlon 64 ? |
| 10:40.31 | dannyp | for the first time since hamm |
| 10:40.51 | portahex | my 3800+ runs pretty toasty |
| 10:40.51 | portahex | and a 90-odd watts versus 110-ish watts argument for regular athlon64 versus p4 is pretty academix |
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| 10:40.54 | jm_ | dannyp: so you aren't new then? |
| 10:41.00 | Trewas | portahex: I was thinking of 'venice' amd64 cores (which are below 30W) |
| 10:41.27 | dannyp | jm_: new is a relative term |
| 10:41.37 | dannyp | I ran hamm, and then slink when it was unstable, for well over a year |
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| 10:41.49 | jm_ | that was quite a while ago |
| 10:41.50 | dannyp | but I've used FreeBSD as my primary operating system (starting with 3.2-RELEASE) ever since |
| 10:41.51 | portahex | Trewas, no, they're not. |
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| 10:42.02 | ethics | what kind of an error message is this?...my win2k system just said.." the maximum number of secrets that may be stored on a system has been reached" how does the cia solve this problem? anyone ever heard of this before? |
| 10:42.14 | tarzeau | ethics: who cares? |
| 10:42.16 | jm_ | portahex: he probably means when not under load |
| 10:42.17 | Guerin | ethics: fdisk will solve it |
| 10:42.20 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 10:42.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:42.33 | dannyp | I'm trying to see what this laptop likes best, and I'm giving Debian it's shot |
| 10:42.39 | ethics | Guerin as in solve or as in rebuild it as debian hehe |
| 10:42.51 | portahex | jm_, possibly, but the same applies for any modern cpu. they idle at a lower power use. something like p3 didn't make much difference between idle & load on power consumption |
| 10:42.52 | dannyp | GyrosGeier: well I had similarly bad experiences with Debian Linux, let me tell you that |
| 10:42.57 | Guerin | ethics: there's no solving win2k |
| 10:43.02 | portahex | jm_, especially when you combine it with powernow-k8 |
| 10:43.07 | dannyp | oh, here's one thing I don't like- I aborted apt, restarted it, and it's redownloading everything |
| 10:43.09 | jm_ | portahex: yes, but their chips based on venice core are parituclarly good at it |
| 10:43.10 | ethics | Guerin hehe i thought you mean thtat hehe |
| 10:43.11 | dannyp | what happened to the first downloads? |
| 10:43.40 | Trewas | portahex, jm_: http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/amd_venice/7.shtml |
| 10:43.45 | beardy | dannyp: Why did you abort it? |
| 10:43.48 | dannyp | also, getting the installer CD to boot was a PITA. I had to specify: linux26 video=ofonly and acpi=off at lilo |
| 10:43.54 | dannyp | err, grub. whatever it was |
| 10:44.03 | jm_ | Trewas: I know, that's why I am hoping the prices for it will fall until autumn :) |
| 10:44.11 | dannyp | beardy: I wanted to change which packages I was installing, when I saw it was installing postgres |
| 10:44.19 | jm_ | dannyp: yes, laptops are PITA, Ubuntu would be much easier |
| 10:44.45 | portahex | Trewas, those are bullshit figures. |
| 10:44.48 | dannyp | but then I realized it wasn't so easy- my choice was either "cookie cutter" or "start from scratch" |
| 10:44.58 | dannyp | it would be nice to be able to select a profile and then customize it |
| 10:45.12 | _joey | portahex |
| 10:45.14 | portahex | raise your hand if you already HAVE a venice-core amd64 system. _o/ |
| 10:45.19 | _joey | which mother board do you use ? |
| 10:45.22 | dannyp | jm_: yeah, that was mentioned to me |
| 10:45.28 | _joey | which is popular/good quality brand ? |
| 10:45.28 | beardy | dannyp: Just install what you need? |
| 10:45.35 | _joey | for athlon 64 |
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| 10:45.42 | dannyp | beardy: really, shouldn't matter why I aborted it. It should save packages locally when downloading |
| 10:45.50 | portahex | _joey, a soltek k890pro-939. and for most people, dfi are still one of the best bets. the nf4 ultra-d is very popular |
| 10:45.53 | dannyp | and it shouldn't delete them simply because it was aborted |
| 10:45.53 | Guerin | i see no other hands going up |
| 10:46.04 | _joey | thanks |
| 10:46.05 | portahex | _joey, as is the asus sli thing, though i don't really see the poin t in sli |
| 10:46.07 | liable | hand up |
| 10:46.15 | liable | but I am a sheep |
| 10:46.26 | _joey | portahex what do you think about Tayan ? |
| 10:46.37 | liable | errr, Guerin ignore that :) |
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| 10:46.55 | dannyp | Don't get me wrong. I have lots of respect for apt- the nicest maintenance of software I've ever seen that relied on binaries was apt (whilst I haven't been a debian user for the past several years, I have helped administer more than a couple debian boxes) |
| 10:47.08 | portahex | _joey, tyan? i would never buy a tyan motherboard. not because they suck (because they don't), but because tyan kit is for sevres only - and i would NEVER build my own server, i'd buy a server with a good support contract on it |
| 10:47.08 | dannyp | but that aspect strikes me as braindead |
| 10:47.22 | beardy | dannyp: No it shouldn't matter, not what I meant, I meant choose which packages to install, don't use tasksel (if it's still used, long time since I tried the installer) |
| 10:47.37 | jak | liable: thanks, apt-file was what i was searching for :) |
| 10:47.52 | _joey | portahex I just want good quality system to be used at home |
| 10:47.53 | dannyp | beardy: well, I thought about that, but I'd rather let Debian do its thing, so to speak |
| 10:47.58 | liable | jak: wasnt me who sugested it, but np :) |
| 10:48.05 | _joey | NOt a server |
| 10:48.10 | dannyp | beardy: I'm trying to not afford myself too many opportunities to screw up, so I can more fairly evaluate the process |
| 10:48.24 | portahex | _joey, DFI boards are respectable. |
| 10:48.29 | _joey | okay, dfi it will be |
| 10:48.32 | dannyp | but I can tell now I'll be removing a lot of what it installs |
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| 10:49.02 | dannyp | beardy: I mean, I'm pretty terrified to be sitting at a computer that doesn't have ssh installed |
| 10:49.10 | portahex | _joey, http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_5575.html is a good board. i would have gotten it, but for an annoyance which most users mwouldn't care about |
| 10:49.17 | trukulo | jak, better use aptitude instead apt-get |
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| 10:49.36 | dannyp | I'm glad dselect seems to be gone |
| 10:49.39 | jak | trukulo: um? why? i like apt-get... |
| 10:49.43 | dannyp | dselect was udderly terrible |
| 10:49.53 | dannyp | utterly terrible, too |
| 10:49.54 | jak | dannyp: yeah, dsaelect is a pain in the ass |
| 10:49.54 | trukulo | jak, better |
| 10:50.05 | beardy | dannyp: Yes, it was "special".. use aptitude. |
| 10:50.18 | trukulo | jak, it's more powerful, and easier to maintain a system |
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| 10:50.25 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:50.34 | amorphix | is it a bank holiday in UK today? |
| 10:50.35 | trukulo | as removes dependencies not used anymore |
| 10:50.39 | dannyp | woah, it's really surprising me what it installed along with "Desktop" |
| 10:50.57 | dannyp | I had thought that the "Desktop" set would be pretty much just X and a base system |
| 10:51.02 | dannyp | now it's installing abiword? *sigh* |
| 10:51.14 | liable | dannyp: debfoster is your friend :) |
| 10:51.22 | dannyp | liable: what's debfoster? |
| 10:51.35 | portahex | dannyp, "desktop environment" is x, gnome & kde, for whatever reasons |
| 10:51.37 | _joey | portahex I've never owned AMD system, don't even which cpu to buy |
| 10:51.38 | liable | dannyp: apt-cache show debfoster |
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| 10:51.51 | _joey | it's always been Pentium intel or Intel celeron |
| 10:51.56 | dannyp | portahex: *sigh* considering I don't use gnome or KDE, that's going to result in a lot of uninstalling afterwards |
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| 10:51.59 | portahex | _joey, a socket 939 cpu of some flavour. |
| 10:52.11 | dannyp | thankfully my housemates are asleep so they won't mind me sucking up our DSL or wireless access point for a bit |
| 10:52.25 | liable | dannyp: well, why did you install it? |
| 10:52.25 | amorphix | dannyp: thats a real hassle, why didnt you setup X yourself |
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| 10:52.36 | amorphix | just have a base sys |
| 10:52.44 | dannyp | well I see that now |
| 10:52.46 | amorphix | he got tricked |
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| 10:52.52 | amorphix | heh |
| 10:52.54 | dannyp | but I apparently can't abort this process without having to redownload everything |
| 10:52.56 | liable | bwaa haha |
| 10:53.10 | portahex | _joey, i have a 3800+, venice core. venice and san diego are the newest versions of athlon 64, with some extra intel-only instructions such as SSE3, and in theory lower power consumption |
| 10:53.19 | liable | dannyp: still installing? |
| 10:53.23 | dannyp | who knows, maybe I'll give them a whirl since they're installed? |
| 10:53.36 | amorphix | kde is great |
| 10:53.39 | dannyp | I swear, I can't believe I'm using linux again |
| 10:53.52 | liable | yay |
| 10:53.52 | amorphix | depends on your hardware tho i guess, can be sluggish on some |
| 10:54.08 | dannyp | amorphix: heh, well I've been using out-of-box windowmaker as my desktop environment for a *long* time, and I'm stubborn to change |
| 10:54.20 | amorphix | ahhh |
| 10:54.44 | liable | dannyp: well, why install a desktop envirnment? |
| 10:54.45 | dannyp | my primary computers have ran windowmaker for at least the past 7 years of my life |
| 10:54.59 | dannyp | liable: I just checked off "Desktop" on the installer, because I figured I'd let it decide what I need |
| 10:55.01 | _joey | portahex Thanks |
| 10:55.09 | dannyp | which was clearly a mistake! |
| 10:55.12 | liable | dannyp: so, you should know what you are doing? |
| 10:55.36 | dannyp | liable: Well I like to think I know what I'm doing, but seeing a machine without ssh on it scared the heck out of me |
| 10:55.50 | portahex | _joey, buy whatever you want to afford, just as long as it's socket 939. bear in mind most motherboards may require a bios update to support venice and san diego |
| 10:55.50 | dannyp | so I figured I'd let it install a bunch of crap, but didn't think it would install THIS much crap |
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| 10:56.22 | amorphix | if he removes the X core it will take everything else with it? then he can start over |
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| 10:56.36 | dannyp | amorphix: seems like overkill |
| 10:56.43 | dannyp | the HD space isn't a pressing issue |
| 10:56.43 | beardy | dannyp: At least now you know what happens if you install Desktop, or similar things, if you wish to reinstall. If I may give you a suggestion, only install a basic console/tty system, make things work. Then start installing X, and wm:s, and things you want. |
| 10:56.44 | lestest | hi there, is there a way to resize pdf documents margins? |
| 10:56.55 | amorphix | only your time will be wasted |
| 10:56.57 | dannyp | it's installing mozilla and not firefox? |
| 10:57.05 | dannyp | amorphix: sure, but my time will be wasted by aborting |
| 10:57.08 | dannyp | and having to redownload everything |
| 10:57.12 | amorphix | you can watch all the pretty text going up the screen and make a coffee, so its not a total loss |
| 10:57.25 | dannyp | bah |
| 10:57.28 | dannyp | okay, fine, I'm aborting |
| 10:57.28 | amorphix | heh |
| 10:57.35 | dannyp | because it's still estimating half an hour left |
| 10:57.45 | dannyp | I WISH IT DIDN'T DELETE EVERYTHING WHEN I ABORTED |
| 10:57.46 | paulswm | amorphix: removing the X core will not remove all X applications. |
| 10:57.50 | dannyp | wait- can I copy the debs somewhere? |
| 10:57.55 | dannyp | surely they are somewhere now |
| 10:58.04 | amorphix | paulswm: ok i stand corrected |
| 10:58.29 | liable | dannyp: re-install |
| 10:58.29 | dannyp | great- /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 10:58.34 | paulswm | amorphix: because X applications can be executed from elsewhere on a network. |
| 10:58.38 | liable | bleh |
| 10:58.52 | liable | paulswm: not at you |
| 10:58.55 | lestest | qui |
| 10:59.06 | dannyp | re-install? what am I, an MCSE? |
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| 10:59.26 | paulswm | liable: I didn't think you meant me, that was too fast :) |
| 10:59.43 | liable | dannyp: maybe htf do we know? |
| 10:59.46 | liable | paulswm: heh |
| 10:59.55 | dannyp | liable: ouch |
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| 11:00.40 | pureone | hey how do i reconfig exim4 so it sends mail to root rather then my normal user? i tryed dpkg-reconfigure exim4 but it doesnt do anything |
| 11:00.49 | jak | liable: what is htf? |
| 11:00.49 | liable | dannyp: for someone with 7 years experience, you ask silly questions :( |
| 11:00.56 | paulswm | dannyp: It's installed KDE and gnome and about a million k packages, it is much simpler to install and choose one of the server options and then pick and choose the X stuff than it is to try to clean up |
| 11:00.59 | aburlet | anyone to give me an URL or an explanation about why the hell GMT+2 substracts 2 hours from the local clock ? |
| 11:01.01 | liable | jak: how the fuck |
| 11:01.09 | jak | liable: ah ok :) |
| 11:01.15 | paulswm | dannyp: reinstall, I mean |
| 11:01.15 | petemc | pureone: you should really do that, but its controlled by /etc/aliases |
| 11:01.29 | dannyp | liable: I don't think these are silly questions for someone who hasn't used debian since hamm |
| 11:01.35 | pureone | thanks petemc :) |
| 11:01.52 | jharrison | dannyp: I usually dont check off anything in the task selection and then I add what I want to a lean system to begin with |
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| 11:02.26 | dannyp | jharrison: yeah, well I almost do what's analagous when I'm doing a FreeBSD install- but the true minimium install doesn't even include manpages, which I don't find acceptable |
| 11:02.29 | ethics | pureone exim4 is a metaname...you prolly want exim4-light-daemon for reconfigure |
| 11:02.38 | cwr | does the netinst image contain the 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:02.41 | amorphix | boooo |
| 11:02.43 | liable | dannyp: just install base system, then get what you want |
| 11:02.46 | petemc | ethics: its exim4-config |
| 11:02.47 | jharrison | dannyp: well yes but freebsd is not debian |
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| 11:02.54 | dannyp | liable: well I'm doing that now |
| 11:03.01 | liable | dannyp: and you have been using since ham? |
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| 11:03.05 | dannyp | jharrison: right. Well I'm quite aware of this: hence the culture shock |
| 11:03.12 | dannyp | liable: you're not listening. I haven't used Debian *since* hamm |
| 11:03.18 | ethics | petemc, hehe cool thx..i knew it was something like that 8) |
| 11:03.19 | jharrison | dannyp: once you are past tasksel there are a set of base packages that will be installed |
| 11:03.25 | dannyp | liable: I do, however, have 7 contiguous years of experience with windowmaker |
| 11:03.26 | Fare | ouch, I tried to change the irq settings, and now the machine hangs when "initialize plug and play cards" is done by the bios :( :( :( |
| 11:03.26 | liable | dannyp: any linux? |
| 11:03.34 | jharrison | dannyp: including ssh |
| 11:03.35 | petemc | dannyp: i think you have made that abundantly clear |
| 11:03.58 | liable | windowmaker on what? |
| 11:04.05 | pureone | vim /etc/aliases will do the trick it looks |
| 11:04.05 | dannyp | jharrison: ah. I do see that now. I was just afraid if I quit at that point, it wasn't going to install ssh, and leave me with less than an OS |
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| 11:04.44 | dannyp | liable: FreeBSD, mainly. But I've co-administered about 4 Debian boxes that are working as servers, and have played with NetBSD on more than a couple occassions |
| 11:05.02 | liable | dannyp: ok, clarified thanks |
| 11:05.16 | dannyp | and I'm still primairly a FreeBSD user and that is not changing anytime soon. I'm typing on a FreeBSD box right now. My laptop, OTOH, I'm trying lots of stuff with |
| 11:05.50 | incorrect | can i get up defaults gateways depending on the interface a connections comes from |
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| 11:06.46 | dannyp | (really tho, I did use slink for a bit, while it was unstable, but that's an unrelated tangent) |
| 11:07.11 | dannyp | I haven't used Debian as my main operating system since sometime in 1999 |
| 11:07.31 | liable | well, back into the frypan then |
| 11:07.48 | aburlet | hello, anyone to give me an URL or an explanation about why the hell GMT+2 substracts 2 hours from the local clock ? |
| 11:08.10 | toresbe | dannyp: try Ubuntu on the laptop, it's got some pretty cool power mgmt. out-of-box goodness |
| 11:08.30 | dannyp | toresbe: well I've used up my last blank CD-R, and I haven't been able to easily find floppies in years |
| 11:08.38 | toresbe | dannyp: heh, eek. |
| 11:08.47 | paulswm | Not today, we had enough ubuntu spamming and unfair kicking yesterday |
| 11:09.08 | Nigel | dannyp: check out shipit |
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| 11:09.24 | liable | wtf use ubuntu? |
| 11:09.32 | dannyp | toresbe: so if I have a totally sucking experience soon, maybe, but otherwise no. if I had another blank CD-R, I probably would have burned netbsd and been done with it ;) |
| 11:09.49 | toresbe | Nigel: that takes too long... I *think* ubuntu has a netinstall image but that I don't know |
| 11:10.03 | incorrect | ca you do something like route add default gw ip1 dev lo \n route add default gw ip1 dev eth1 \n route add default gw ip2 dev eth0 ? |
| 11:10.18 | liable | dannyp: back to the actual problem, or is there actually a problem? |
| 11:10.27 | dannyp | Nigel: also, I'm hitting the road in about 48 hours, and travelling for >1 month and will be away from a regular internet connection |
| 11:10.31 | toresbe | liable: for the power management niceness. |
| 11:10.37 | dannyp | liable: I don't think there ever was a problem, really |
| 11:10.49 | liable | toresbe: ??? |
| 11:10.50 | dannyp | I'm just reflecting on how things seem to me |
| 11:10.51 | Nigel | toresbe: i thought it was a terrorist package when they arrived |
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| 11:11.13 | toresbe | Nigel: heheh, so did my orphanage |
| 11:11.14 | liable | toresbe: what works in ubuntu, that wont in debian? |
| 11:11.38 | toresbe | liable: Quite a lot, but I was referring to out-of-the-box workage. |
| 11:11.59 | Nigel | toresbe: white parcel coming Swiss-Post, was a bit "strange" |
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| 11:12.08 | toresbe | Nigel: heh |
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| 11:12.51 | toresbe | Nigel: well, they opened the box, even though they're not supposed to, so had it been a bomb, I could've thanked Darwin |
| 11:13.03 | Nigel | toresbe: i ended up opening it in the sink, carefully with a knife, ready to dial 111 if there was any white powder... |
| 11:13.06 | liable | toresbe: out of the box isnt not working in debian |
| 11:13.36 | toresbe | liable: will you drop the discussion plzkthx? |
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| 11:14.10 | liable | toresbe: erm no |
| 11:14.16 | liable | !aolify toresbe |
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| 11:14.21 | petemc | toresbe: you did say a lot of stuff works in ubuntu and not in debian.. |
| 11:14.54 | liable | toresbe: you fucking started it |
| 11:15.15 | toresbe | petemc: yeah, cutting-edge stuff that works in Ubuntu but not in Debian, often for very good reasons. |
| 11:15.58 | petemc | toresbe: please dont try to troll me.. |
| 11:16.15 | toresbe | petemc: (Note that it is not a critique of either Debian or Ubuntu, they have different target audiences and both work for theirs most excellently. |
| 11:16.29 | dannyp | you know, one thing hasn't changed since I came here in the late 90s, and that's the fact that there's always a troll or two |
| 11:16.32 | buu | Is there any dvd player for teh lunix that can actually normalize the soudn volume? |
| 11:16.43 | liable | toresbe: ok, and you *cant* get this _cutiing_edge_stuff_ in sid? |
| 11:16.43 | toresbe | dannyp: hehe, in #debian, that shall never change. :) |
| 11:16.48 | toresbe | liable: no. |
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| 11:17.14 | toresbe | But I do believe the #debian definition of "troll" to be a little off :P |
| 11:17.19 | liable | toresbe: example? other than xorg |
| 11:17.27 | paulswm | Jeez, I guess my pleae for no ubuntu spamming went unhhede :( |
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| 11:17.33 | masoft | what program do you know for make a GIF animation ? |
| 11:17.34 | mooded | buu.. you mean level for stereo-output ? i dont think so .. sadly ;) |
| 11:17.38 | paulswm | unheeded |
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| 11:17.58 | toresbe | liable: Yes, listen to me and paulswm, and zip it. This is quite off-topic. |
| 11:18.11 | liable | paulswm: sorry, bound to happen |
| 11:18.16 | toresbe | paulswm: concider the pleae hhede |
| 11:18.19 | toresbe | :) |
| 11:18.35 | toresbe | "troll, n: Someone who disagrees with you" :P |
| 11:18.50 | liable | 21:08 < toresbe> dannyp: try Ubuntu on the laptop, it's got some pretty cool power mgmt. out-of-box goodness |
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| 11:19.37 | toresbe | liable: I suggested Ubuntu for his laptop because a lot of things that should work on a laptop and extends battery life etc. works out of the box and doesn't need major reconfiguration. |
| 11:19.42 | paulswm | liable: Don't apologize to me, I'm just another inhabitant, but although pointing people at ubuntu who need, say, a quick laptop install is helpful, discussing the merits gets old, and I saw streuner unfairly kicked yesterday for trying to stop it |
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| 11:19.53 | buu | mooded: Yeah basically. |
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| 11:20.09 | toresbe | liable: So there, now stfu and stop repeating this very tired discussion! |
| 11:20.19 | liable | paulswm: true, who kicked him, bob2? |
| 11:20.27 | buu | mooded: Everytime I play dvds the sound is all over the place |
| 11:20.27 | mooded | buu, i havent heard of one yet.. one just has to keep spinning the volume-control ;) |
| 11:20.31 | buu | gah |
| 11:20.32 | buu | HATRED. |
| 11:20.38 | mooded | idd |
| 11:20.46 | buu | I miss my stereo =[ |
| 11:20.46 | bob2 | paulswm: he was kicked for continuing it after I told everyone to shut up |
| 11:20.49 | bob2 | everyone else did |
| 11:21.01 | toresbe | buu: Have you heard a thing called "surround sound"? ;) |
| 11:21.02 | streuner | tell people the truth |
| 11:21.08 | liable | hmmm |
| 11:21.11 | petemc | they cant handle the truth! |
| 11:21.18 | mooded | buu.. dont have legally gotten dvds a stereo-track ? i think so.. ;p |
| 11:21.21 | bob2 | you accusing me of "trolling" was stupid, too |
| 11:21.24 | streuner | the truth is after you involved at ubuntu you force here people to use ubuntu |
| 11:21.30 | bob2 | streuner: fuck off |
| 11:21.31 | bob2 | idiot |
| 11:21.41 | buu | toresbe: What? |
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| 11:21.47 | streuner | bob2: fuck yourself |
| 11:21.52 | buu | mooded: What the hell did that sentence just mean? |
| 11:21.53 | toresbe | streuner: sheesh! |
| 11:21.57 | bob2 | that really disappoints me, since I liked and respected you, streuner |
| 11:22.05 | liable | toresbe: why dont you stfu too |
| 11:22.08 | toresbe | streuner: yeah, he's haxoring their computers and installing ubuntu. |
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| 11:22.33 | masoft | anybody has tried to connect Korg PA1X Pro keyboard to linux ? successful or not ? |
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| 11:22.42 | toresbe | buu: it was a joke in reply to "< buu> mooded: Everytime I play dvds the sound is all over the place" |
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| 11:22.48 | bob2 | masoft: I'd be surprised if a keyboard didn't work |
| 11:22.52 | buu | toresbe: Oh, heh. |
| 11:22.54 | cplx | fighting over distro's.. pffft |
| 11:22.56 | bob2 | masoft: what connector does it have? |
| 11:22.58 | cplx | pretty sad really. |
| 11:23.01 | buu | toresbe: Linux doesn't support surround sound though. |
| 11:23.12 | streuner | toresbe: that's not the point, i give a damn if you using skolelinux as long as you don't force people to use it here... |
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| 11:23.14 | toresbe | buu: really? I doubt that. |
| 11:23.18 | buu | toresbe: It don't! |
| 11:23.19 | masoft | bob2, usb ! it's a musical keyboard, not a computer keyboard ! |
| 11:23.21 | mooded | buu.. it means, get your dvds legally, and you will get rid of the strongly varying sound problems... since legally aquired dvds have a stereo-track.. most illegally aquired have only the 5.1 track, which cant be correctly played on your stereo.. |
| 11:23.29 | portahex | buu, linux supports surround sound. |
| 11:23.36 | buu | portahex: Lies. |
| 11:23.38 | toresbe | buu: questionable grammar aside, I'm fairly sure it does on my soundcard |
| 11:23.42 | buu | mooded: It *is* a legal dvd. |
| 11:23.49 | bob2 | masoft: oh |
| 11:24.07 | portahex | buu, you cannot legally play dvds in linux without cyberli nk powerdvd linux edition |
| 11:24.09 | mooded | buu.. then i dont know.. there should be a stereo-track then, you could select.. |
| 11:24.16 | toresbe | masoft: Hmm... |
| 11:24.17 | buu | portahex: Excellent. |
| 11:24.21 | toresbe | portahex: sure you can |
| 11:24.22 | buu | mooded: Hrm. Maybe that's my problem. |
| 11:24.33 | portahex | buu, but linux DOES support surround sound. doom 3 uses it quite well. |
| 11:24.41 | dannyp | the legal status of decss probably depends on where you are, first of all |
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| 11:24.51 | buu | portahex: Sigh yes, I know, but apparently not for my sound card. |
| 11:24.51 | mooded | portahex, one has to have a 5.1 sound-system though.. |
| 11:24.52 | portahex | toresbe, not in most countries which respect CSS patents |
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| 11:25.24 | Nemesis__ | bob2 is making me use ubuntu |
| 11:25.31 | ethics | masoft: had a roland and a korg hooked up the other day but it was linux midi playing around..not really 100 percent sucessful...learning more each time tho hehe |
| 11:25.31 | buu | portahex: I'd rather just say I hate linux |
| 11:25.38 | bob2 | portahex: it's not just patents, laws like the DMCS forbid circumventing copyright protections, even if you don't violate patents to do so |
| 11:25.42 | portahex | buu, very mature |
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| 11:26.00 | buu | portahex: Indeed. |
| 11:26.02 | ethics | masoft just basic midi stuff no triggers etc yet |
| 11:26.14 | masoft | Nemesis__, Ubuntu is a good distro, but I really recommend Debian instead ! |
| 11:26.17 | portahex | bob2, yeah yeah. note i use libdvdcss2 myself happily |
| 11:26.31 | masoft | ethics, did you connect by USB or MIDI ? |
| 11:26.32 | Nemesis__ | masoft: but he's forcing me to use it! |
| 11:26.37 | Nemesis__ | masoft: he won't give me "Enterprise" episodes unless I run Ubuntu on my laptop |
| 11:26.46 | ethics | masoft midi |
| 11:26.49 | dannyp | man, don't get me started on copyright and patent laws |
| 11:26.49 | buu | Hrm. What is a good dvd player? |
| 11:26.52 | mooded | xine |
| 11:26.53 | dannyp | or really laws in general |
| 11:26.54 | spdf | buu, xine.. |
| 11:26.55 | bob2 | portahex: yeah, me too, hope they don't lock me up |
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| 11:27.15 | ethics | masoft korg had a usb but i didnt try that as i was using cubase in windows also |
| 11:27.22 | dannyp | my ISP received a take-down notice from wal-mart because of me, heh |
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| 11:27.26 | tra1a1a | buu: mplayer and vlc are not too bad as well |
| 11:27.30 | masoft | ethics, what about USB ? didn't you test ? and what MIDI programs do you know ? like Cakewalk ? (for gnome) |
| 11:27.35 | spdf | dannyp, for what? |
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| 11:27.56 | dannyp | spdf: I ran a website... it was a parody |
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| 11:28.01 | ArcSine | how can I check which version of a package is installed? |
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| 11:28.07 | dannyp | it made slashdot and I got a crapload of attention, and then they backed off |
| 11:28.18 | streuner | ArcSine: man dpkg |
| 11:28.21 | bob2 | ArcSine: dpkg -l packagename |
| 11:28.23 | buu | tra1a1a: I was trying mplayer, but I couldn't make it understand dvds |
| 11:28.27 | ArcSine | bob2: thanks |
| 11:28.35 | buu | spdf: Eh, anything special I have to do to make it play dvds? |
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| 11:28.46 | spdf | Daniel Papasian? |
| 11:28.47 | dannyp | it's rather amusing to see the "legal advice" you get on slashdot |
| 11:28.52 | dannyp | that's my name |
| 11:28.59 | dannyp | and how it differs from what the EFF and Public Citizen tells you |
| 11:29.00 | spdf | Craziness |
| 11:29.02 | paulswm | bob2: IMO trygvebw was the bad actor, but I certainly don't wish to get into an argumnet with you about it. |
| 11:29.03 | serve1 | hey all,what is debian sarge for amd in http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? have only ia64! |
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| 11:29.12 | dannyp | AC or EFF... who do you trust? |
| 11:29.14 | bob2 | paulswm: yes, I agree, and I had words with him/her, too |
| 11:29.18 | spdf | dannyp, Nice to meet yah. lol |
| 11:29.32 | tra1a1a | buu: anyway for dvds specifically mplayer is not as good as vlc is |
| 11:29.35 | ethics | buu gmplayer is the gui if you wanted....gnome libs required |
| 11:29.37 | bob2 | paulswm: he/she was the original idiot, but streuner continued it after he/she shut up |
| 11:29.43 | Nigel | serve1: k7? |
| 11:29.49 | buu | ethics: I'm not a big fan of guis |
| 11:30.11 | tra1a1a | mplayer gui sucks badly |
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| 11:30.18 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:30.22 | ethics | buu hehe me either but rightclick play dvd = win hehe |
| 11:30.29 | J_P | what is debian sarge for amd 64 in http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? have only ia64! |
| 11:30.31 | streuner | bob2: no, i see that you want kick those people who fight for debian and not those people who continue to ask for ubuntu. |
| 11:30.39 | dannyp | spdf: since we're discussing operating systems... I mentioned that I'm a FreeBSD user, but co-administered a few debian boxes |
| 11:30.45 | dannyp | well I forgot that I administer a centos box as well |
| 11:30.52 | streuner | that was the reason i step into the convo. |
| 11:30.55 | buu | xine is giving me an error when I click on the dvd tab |
| 11:30.58 | tra1a1a | J_P: amd64 is not in sarge |
| 11:30.58 | liable | bob2: I missed the altercation yesterday with you and struener, but how can you ban someone in #debian for trolling about #ubuntu (if that is what he was doing?) seems a conflict of interest to me. |
| 11:30.59 | paulswm | bob2: so can I start a fight about gentoo instead, heh, j/k |
| 11:31.00 | bob2 | streuner: blah blah blah, I kicked you for not shutting up. I would have kicked the ubuntu idiot too if he hadn't |
| 11:31.02 | buu | Oh, duh |
| 11:31.14 | streuner | but you didn't |
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| 11:31.22 | bob2 | liable: he was banned for continued stupidity after I told him to stop |
| 11:31.23 | tra1a1a | J_P: or ask dpkg for amd64 |
| 11:31.27 | bob2 | streuner: he STOPPED TALKING, YOU DID NOT. |
| 11:31.35 | J_P | dpkg: amd64 ? |
| 11:31.35 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 11:31.37 | dannyp | spdf: when the first ISP received the DMCA and we took the step of changing ISPs, I was more or less given an IP and a root password... had to change the A record, and then set up what was a clean install of centos |
| 11:31.38 | ethics | danny unbutu would be a great replacement for your freebsd boxes...i hear it has out of the box goodness also...thats better than smp....not to metion the extra jloops on compile they do |
| 11:31.39 | bob2 | paulswm: do you think I'm forcing people to use ubuntu? |
| 11:31.48 | ethics | danny ..j/k |
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| 11:32.00 | dannyp | spdf: it wasn't until I was using an RPM based system (eventually I found yum) that I realized how easy I had it with debian |
| 11:32.14 | dannyp | I hadn't used any RPM-based system since redhat 4.2 |
| 11:32.17 | bob2 | liable: after he was kicked, he came back, and STILL continued to rant, so he was +q'd. then he joined #ubuntu and said "bob2: fuck you", so he was +q'd there, too. |
| 11:32.22 | J_P | tra1a1a: I always think smd64 is more supported than ia64!! |
| 11:32.22 | spdf | dannyp, lol, yah, apt's very handy |
| 11:32.32 | ethics | danny: yeah apt-win install goldmedal prize |
| 11:32.46 | buu | hrm |
| 11:32.48 | dannyp | right. I like it for binaries. I like FreeBSD ports for source more, however (and still prefer using source to binary when the going gets tough) |
| 11:32.52 | buu | Xine behaves extremely badly with ratpoison |
| 11:33.00 | dannyp | if it'll compile, it'll run (usually) |
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| 11:33.54 | silenius | re |
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| 11:34.07 | tibo_ | hey, sorry for non debian-related msg, do you guys know where ican get help on ircd-hybrid ? |
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| 11:34.27 | silenius | tibo: @google |
| 11:34.27 | tibo_ | silenius: cheers :) |
| 11:34.31 | ethics | danny if it compiles i generally have large celebrations...im hopless with source installs heheh apt-get = my bestest friend...next to #debian as they say your an idiot here try this name for it |
| 11:34.51 | squareff | has anybody found any method to tell a script whether the current xterm window is going to close immediately or will remain open and will drop you to a prompt? in the former case, i would tell the script to sleep 3 before ending (so that the user may have time to read the output); in the latter case --- no sleep |
| 11:34.56 | tibo_ | silenius: google isnt very verbosy on that, even the hybrid site dont have doc section |
| 11:35.04 | buu | spdf: How the hell do I play the dvd? |
| 11:35.06 | Guerin | tibo_: the people in #freenode know some things about running an ircd... but they'll probably laugh at and/or flame you for not running dancer |
| 11:35.17 | tibo_ | :) |
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| 11:35.43 | tibo_ | Guerin: im testing ircds :) is dancer really better? |
| 11:35.47 | ethics | squareeff why not just put a hit enter to exit ....that way they can do whatever they want and have more than 3 seconds if they are dyslexic |
| 11:35.48 | LoneTech | squareff: you can't really tell that, though $SHLVL might possibly give a clue. |
| 11:35.52 | Guerin | tibo_: no idea. |
| 11:36.05 | tibo_ | Guerin: thx anyway :) |
| 11:36.05 | Guerin | tibo_: it's what freenode uses. |
| 11:36.09 | tibo_ | ok |
| 11:36.11 | dannyp | so here's a question that just shows my general XFree86 ignorance (but I'm rather impressed w/Debian that I'm worrying about stuff like this already) - how do I turn down the brightness of my screen? |
| 11:36.31 | LoneTech | squareff: more likely you'll want to set up your terminal to run "script;read" instead. |
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| 11:36.42 | ethics | danny....on the monitor is buttons...or knobs if you got one of them new fangled ones |
| 11:36.51 | tra1a1a | dannyp: except by using the buttons on your monitor you could also use xgamma |
| 11:36.52 | Jori1 | hi all |
| 11:37.14 | dannyp | tra1a1a: this is a laptop- the buttons are function keys, and XFree86 doesn't seem to know what to do with them |
| 11:37.19 | ethics | pls not xgamma doesnt seem to stop the grey screen of eye hurting... |
| 11:37.35 | Jori1 | can someone advise me on best security practices for maintaining a Debian installation on multiple machines ? |
| 11:37.46 | squareff | thank you, ethics and LoneTech |
| 11:37.51 | tra1a1a | dannyp: check linux-on-laptop(s).com you could find a way there to use these keys |
| 11:37.53 | Jori1 | or is there a separate channel for this ? |
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| 11:38.04 | silenius | jori: define a usable update/maintainance policy, document it and stick to it |
| 11:38.08 | ethics | dannyp yeah xgamma then...what laptop there were tpb fot think[ad buttons and there was a compaq multimedia keys one that fit alot of laptops |
| 11:38.18 | squareff | LoneTech: ok, but what do people do when they want to do it? use shlvl? |
| 11:38.36 | paulswm | bob2: No, you are right that streuner continued, but IMO trygvebw should have got it earlier, but it's easy to armchair quarterback, it has to be your decision. I must admit to being dismayed at seeing streuner get canned though. |
| 11:38.41 | tibo_ | is there somewhere where i can get infos on debian site for offline browsing? |
| 11:38.46 | dannyp | well xgamma is nice, but that'll change the colors as well |
| 11:38.58 | LoneTech | squareff: I've never heard of a script that actually detects that. |
| 11:39.02 | bob2 | paulswm: if I'd been here when it started, trygvebw would have been gone |
| 11:39.11 | paulswm | bob2: 'No' refers to that I don't think you are forcing anyone to use anything. |
| 11:39.24 | ethics | tibo_ offline browsing? as in what proggys or as in you want a copy of the site offline ? |
| 11:39.46 | incorrect | etc/interfaces gateway options does that add a gateway like route -net x.x.x.x netmask x.x.x.x dev eth0 gw gateway ? or does it do route add default gw gateway? |
| 11:39.49 | tibo_ | ethics: offline copy |
| 11:39.58 | LoneTech | squareff: xterm has a -hold option that probably does what you want, too |
| 11:40.05 | tibo_ | ethics: maybe not every section though |
| 11:41.18 | squareff | LoneTech: i can't even predict whether the user will use xterm or any other terminal |
| 11:41.18 | tibo_ | ethics: im wgeting it at the moment, but im afraid of the amount of data im gonna get |
| 11:41.18 | ethics | tibo_ i used to use httrack to auto fetch and save them befpore... |
| 11:41.18 | liable | paulswm: agreed |
| 11:41.18 | squareff | LoneTech: but thanks anyway |
| 11:41.19 | ethics | httrack will allow you to target filetypes etc |
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| 11:41.19 | squareff | LoneTech: btw, which one do you think may be the method closest to what i would need (except for read) |
| 11:41.33 | squareff | how relevant can shlvl be? |
| 11:41.35 | J_P | tra1a1a: why was choice more support in ia64 than amd64 ? |
| 11:41.51 | paulswm | I guess being an op is like being a referee, if everyone hates yoou, you're doing well :) |
| 11:41.56 | buu | Hrm. Is there anyway to hide all the Xine gui shit? |
| 11:42.38 | LoneTech | shlvl will only help if you know how deeply nested it'll be normally, such as whether people use startx or xdm. |
| 11:42.38 | liable | bob2: there may be starting to be a conflict of interest, which makes me wonder, if you should be an op on #debian? dont take it the wrong way, but it may be true. |
| 11:42.38 | ethics | buu fullscreen? |
| 11:42.38 | buu | ethics: Poorly coded... |
| 11:42.39 | tra1a1a | J_P: I don't know |
| 11:42.39 | squareff | LoneTech: i see :( |
| 11:42.39 | bob2 | Ubuntu discussion is off-topic here |
| 11:42.47 | bob2 | People attacking ubuntu users is also off-topic here |
| 11:42.51 | valdyn | buu: rightclick on the screen and unselect the guy |
| 11:42.52 | bob2 | hope that policy is clear enough |
| 11:42.54 | buu | ethics: It doesn't realize it's in a frame and tries to expand to be the total size of the screen |
| 11:42.57 | valdyn | buu: rightclick on the screen and unselect the gui |
| 11:43.07 | ethics | uu its a gui..they all differ on whos happy...gmplayer is more like powerdvd on windows where everything layers seperate control section etc... |
| 11:43.11 | LoneTech | actually, I'd say people attacking people is wrong all over. |
| 11:43.13 | tibo_ | ethics: ok thx guys, i think im gonna stick with wget, anyway my access will be down in 10 mins :( |
| 11:43.25 | bob2 | LoneTech: amen |
| 11:43.34 | dannyp | how do I play with ACPI settings directly? |
| 11:43.39 | ethics | buu: there are settings you can change to force aspect changes but default is dvd standard |
| 11:43.40 | Shadur | Hmm. mii-tool doesn't seem to offer options for gigabit ethernet settings. |
| 11:43.41 | bob2 | dannyp: which ones? |
| 11:43.48 | dannyp | something analagous to sysctl... is there something in /proc? |
| 11:43.52 | bob2 | Shadur: ethtool can, I think |
| 11:43.54 | LoneTech | ubuntu discussion might not necessarily be entirely off topic, but there's a more specific channel for it where it should be moved to be easier found and to allow other topics here. |
| 11:43.55 | buu | ethics: Er, yes, they don't help |
| 11:43.56 | valdyn | dannyp: what kind of acpi settings? |
| 11:44.03 | dannyp | well, I'm thinking screen brightness is an ACPI setting? |
| 11:44.15 | liable | dannyp: no |
| 11:44.20 | bob2 | dannyp: depends |
| 11:44.21 | resiak | !worship portahex |
| 11:44.28 | tra1a1a | dannyp: did you actually try linux-on-laptops.com? |
| 11:44.32 | dannyp | tra1a1a: yes |
| 11:44.35 | valdyn | dannyp: /proc/acpi/, supported things will display quick help text if you cat them |
| 11:44.38 | bob2 | afaict, it's not possible to set that from software for most chipsets |
| 11:44.59 | dannyp | ah. so as I suspected, ACPI support is disabled (I had to disable it during the install, it seems to have remembered that setting) |
| 11:46.31 | ethics | buu mplayer -vo xv -ao alsa dvd://dev/hda/ -fs fullscreen mplayer from drive hda using alsa and xvideo |
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| 11:46.31 | LoneTech | I got somewhat less broken suspend support on my laptop after installing the acpi4linux patch, but for me the brightness controls always worked |
| 11:46.31 | ethics | buu so you know if you wanted to try commandline again |
| 11:46.32 | buu | ethics: Does it have a normalize and demix flag? |
| 11:46.32 | tarzeau | dannyp: there's also xgamma and displaycalibrator.app |
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| 11:46.32 | LoneTech | actually one thing you might try is lowering brightness while at the bootloader prompt, before linux takes over. |
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| 11:46.32 | tarzeau | dannyp: where you can properly calibrate your display gamma (which is horrible by default) |
| 11:46.32 | valdyn | dannyp: which brand is your laptop anyway? |
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| 11:46.40 | dannyp | valdyn: it's an HP pavilion ze5000s |
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| 11:47.29 | toresbe | portahex: If you live in the free world, you can play the DVD's on what you want. Apologees for lag :) |
| 11:47.33 | valdyn | dannyp: ok, i know nothing about hp notebooks unfortunately, howevre it might be that ( just like for ibm notebooks ), there's various extra tools/patches that may not be in debian. |
| 11:48.01 | ethics | buu: checkin man page as its not in the default help |
| 11:48.01 | Jori1 | silenius : policy's are easy :-) I'm mostly thinking about wich versions of wich software to use, patching, services to run/stop etc. |
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| 11:49.00 | bob2 | dannyp: dare I say it, ubuntu's kernel has various acpi things done to it, wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting has the results for it. you can presumably put it on Debian (http://packages.ubuntu.com/kernel-image-2.6.10-5-386). |
| 11:49.12 | liable | ffs |
| 11:49.19 | streuner | haha |
| 11:49.29 | Selanit | Hiya, ppl. Question: I'd like to find out which packages I have installed that are top-level -- ie, they do NOT serve as dependencies to any other package. How can I do this? |
| 11:49.33 | ethics | buu: demuxer/stream options...anything in particular? |
| 11:49.40 | bob2 | streuner: liable: perhaps I should just lie and say that it's not possible? |
| 11:49.43 | liable | bob2: there you go, conflist of interest |
| 11:49.49 | toresbe | heh |
| 11:49.53 | liable | bob2: no |
| 11:50.03 | liable | bob2: dealer |
| 11:50.04 | bob2 | liable: how on earth is mentioning that another distro has something useful a 'conflict of interest'? |
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| 11:50.24 | liable | bob2: because you worj for them? |
| 11:50.26 | LoneTech | Selanit: that's what deborphan is for. aptitude should have a similar function, but it doesn't seem to do what I expect recently. |
| 11:50.28 | liable | work |
| 11:50.37 | bob2 | liable: so if I quit, you'd stop whinging? |
| 11:50.45 | ethics | buu if any player has it i think itll be mplayer and i can see demux options in man pages so i thinks it does what you need |
| 11:50.48 | Selanit | I'll look into deborphan, Lonetech. Thanks. |
| 11:50.52 | toresbe | bob2: ooh, neat, you're on canonical payroll? |
| 11:51.01 | portahex | toresbe, bob2 there are more than just acpi tweaks, e.g. speedstep-centrino has the required extra lines to support current Dothan pentium-m's, not just the obsolete Banias |
| 11:51.31 | valdyn | bob2: whats patched into that kernel? |
| 11:51.34 | paulswm | No doubt, questions which can be answered in #ubuntu |
| 11:51.35 | toresbe | liable: he has nothing to gain financially from some newb switching from Debian to Ubuntu, idiot. |
| 11:51.43 | liable | bob2: no, you *are* very knowlegable, but, ffs, stop pushing it, this *is* #debian |
| 11:51.53 | spdf | liable, he's pushing nothing.. |
| 11:51.58 | bob2 | liable: I was suggesting installing the kernel on debian, since it has useful extra features |
| 11:52.04 | streuner | toresbe: well :-) |
| 11:52.08 | liable | bob2: dont take it the wrong way ffs |
| 11:52.20 | bob2 | liable: I don't understand what the issue is |
| 11:52.34 | cplx | !fix sigh |
| 11:52.53 | bob2 | valdyn: I'm not sure exactly, but it apprently works on a wider range of machines (HP in particular) than kernel.org does. |
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| 11:52.55 | portahex | bob2, drop it, liable has a religious belief in this, regardless of impracticality |
| 11:52.56 | valdyn | i think its better to recommend a tested, patched ( and probably compiled ) kernel than recommending to manually patch,configure,compile.. |
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| 11:53.04 | liable | bob2: and you cant compile those modules? |
| 11:53.04 | tibo_ | !ircd |
| 11:53.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, ircd is a nuisance that keeps dicking around on channel. I'd kick him., or the daemon thats lets us talk, join channels, spam each other, etc...search freshmeat for a few |
| 11:53.09 | tra1a1a | bob2: if you still argue with them about their suspections you should kick yourself out I think |
| 11:53.17 | tibo_ | !ircd-hybrid |
| 11:53.22 | bob2 | liable: I don't know where else to download it from |
| 11:53.24 | tra1a1a | s/still/continue/ |
| 11:53.28 | pngwn | !pmm |
| 11:53.28 | dpkg | well, pmm is please /msg me, don't make me spew to the channel, or you can go to #debian-bots if you want to play with me |
| 11:53.29 | bob2 | tra1a1a: yes, good point |
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| 11:53.33 | toresbe | tibo_: please take this into a message :) |
| 11:53.37 | bob2 | if you want to criticse me, feel free to do it in /msg |
| 11:53.54 | Selanit | LoneTech: Excellent -- deborphan is *exactly* what I need. Thanks a lot! :-D |
| 11:53.55 | paulswm | liable: I have to disagree anyway, I see nothing wrong with recommending ubuntu to someone who may need it, further questions can be answered in ubuntu, the problem is the ubuntu trolls or a more detailed discussion about ubuntu here, just my opinion of course, not worth a lot. |
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| 11:53.56 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:53.58 | dpkg | <alfred> how do i set my date and time from an nntp server? <greycat> hahaha |
| 11:54.02 | LoneTech | Selanit: you're welcome |
| 11:54.10 | tibo_ | toresbe: what do u mean, my english is bad, i didnt got you :) |
| 11:54.13 | tarzeau | hehe |
| 11:54.13 | spdf | tibo_, /msg dpkg hybrid ircd |
| 11:54.16 | bob2 | or in #bob2-sucks |
| 11:54.18 | liable | paulswm: totally agreed, |
| 11:54.26 | liable | bob2: no |
| 11:54.31 | tibo_ | spdf: toresbe : ok soz for flood :) |
| 11:54.31 | liable | ffs |
| 11:54.35 | toresbe | tibo_: If you type /query dpkg you can talk with the bot there, instead of in the channel :) |
| 11:54.38 | paulswm | !beer bob2 |
| 11:54.38 | toresbe | tibo_: np |
| 11:54.40 | portahex | yout mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries! |
| 11:54.49 | Phated | portabot? :) |
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| 11:54.53 | paulswm | dpkg: test |
| 11:54.53 | liable | bob2: can i /msg you? |
| 11:54.57 | bob2 | liable: of course |
| 11:55.34 | portahex | paulswm, how sweet, you're covering for my hathen use of ubuntu on my laptop |
| 11:55.38 | portahex | *heathen |
| 11:55.44 | paulswm | fpkg isn't responding |
| 11:55.49 | paulswm | dpkg I mean |
| 11:55.59 | asg | paulswm: it doesn't like you |
| 11:56.00 | bob2 | dpkg: test |
| 11:56.00 | dpkg | No, bob2, you're not online any more. |
| 11:56.14 | paulswm | !test |
| 11:56.23 | streuner | portahex: nobody gives a damn about, just force people to use debian here and everything is ok. |
| 11:56.28 | paulswm | asg: :( |
| 11:56.32 | asg | paulswm: :) |
| 11:56.39 | asg | !test |
| 11:56.39 | dpkg | No, asg, you're not online any more. |
| 11:56.42 | paulswm | @fuck dpkg |
| 11:56.47 | paulswm | :) |
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| 11:57.02 | LoneTech | now that doesn't belong. |
| 11:57.02 | ethics | @dance |
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| 11:57.20 | portahex | streuner, i do. |
| 11:57.24 | spdf | paulswm, atleast one of the bots likes you.. |
| 11:57.40 | portahex | streuner, but if someone says "foo doesn't work", and it WILL not work on debian without MAJOR arseache (e.g. patching kernel with ubuntu diffs, using ubuntu packages), then i tell them to just go run ubuntu |
| 11:57.56 | portahex | streuner, i suspect there will be major upheval on that front when sarge releases |
| 11:58.14 | ethics | portahex so i can run an unbutu kernel on my sarge box without a hassle? |
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| 11:58.23 | spdf | portahex, in theory... |
| 11:58.35 | spdf | ethics, rather.. |
| 11:58.39 | valdyn | ethics: or a redhat or slackware or uh, kernel, yes |
| 11:58.40 | ethics | i suppose i prolly need their headers? |
| 11:58.42 | paulswm | portahex: You gave a very good argument for ubuntu vs debian for a wireless laptop, it's hard to leave someone ignorant about ubuntu for purely religious reasons, it's when the conversation turns into a dick waving contest that things get irritating :) |
| 11:58.43 | streuner | portahex: you know pretty well, there is always a way to use this or that in debian |
| 11:58.45 | tra1a1a | are we sill on the ubuntu subject?! |
| 11:59.06 | ethics | no now were on the subject of using random kernels with debian.. |
| 11:59.07 | spdf | tra1a1a, its toned down quite a bit.. |
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| 11:59.30 | paulswm | spdf: Yes, but dpkg doesn't *sniff* |
| 11:59.30 | tra1a1a | spdf: sure but... |
| 11:59.41 | LoneTech | what about wireless? |
| 11:59.48 | spdf | paulswm, he is the hot one afterall... |
| 12:00.27 | tra1a1a | ethics: you can always use random kernels with debian, but you can't expect to be supported here after switching to them |
| 12:00.27 | paulswm | spdf: I thought dpkg was a she :) |
| 12:00.27 | asg | paulswm: hermaphroditic bot pron |
| 12:00.27 | bob2 | so, what do you all think of chocolate ice cream? |
| 12:00.27 | portahex | streuner, to use this laptop properly with debian requires use of ubuntu kernel,l x server, and other support packages such as i810switch from ubuntu. at that stage, considering i can't even INSTALL debian to it without m aking a custom d-i image with an ubuntu kernel, why fuckjing bother? it's a work machine. it just needs to *work*. i run debian on systems that i'm either tailoring to my EXACT needs, or experimenting with |
| 12:00.28 | asg | bob2: tasty |
| 12:00.29 | streuner | portahex: besides, we recommend in #debian to use sarge for desktops and servers nowadays since sarge is frozen |
| 12:00.32 | spdf | !gender |
| 12:00.32 | paulswm | Heh |
| 12:00.32 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 12:00.34 | bob2 | especially with choclate cookies ground up on it |
| 12:00.37 | portahex | bob2, i prefer cinnamon ice cream |
| 12:00.37 | ethics | and if thats the case why when i/and others i belive run the 2.6.11 kernel from unstable do we get garbage messages in boot?...is there something unusual in this change from 2.6.8 to higher? |
| 12:00.42 | spdf | paulswm, Swings both ways apparently ;) |
| 12:00.49 | asg | bob2: can I have a bit of vanilla on it too |
| 12:00.55 | jethro | here it goes again |
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| 12:00.58 | bob2 | portahex: hm, is that made with ground up cinamon, or cinamon sticks? |
| 12:01.01 | bob2 | asg: but of course! |
| 12:01.17 | bob2 | ethics: bear in mind 2.6.11 isn't the supported kernel on sarge |
| 12:01.24 | portahex | bob2, i had it once from tesco, dunno the specifics but it was a delicate vanilla ice cream with cinnamon. tastytasty |
| 12:01.37 | ethics | bob2 yeah but it will in etch yah? |
| 12:01.44 | valdyn | ethics: your error description isnt very specific, maybe its a kernel bug that just shows on your hardware. |
| 12:01.48 | ethics | bob2 ill prolly float across with etch |
| 12:01.50 | Phated | portahex: Oooh. |
| 12:01.56 | bob2 | ethics: by the time etch releases, kernel 3.0 will probably be out |
| 12:01.57 | paulswm | asg: I was attemtping to fix the tickle command in dpkg and that's when it stopped responding to me, I don't know whether it is my fault or just coincidence, if it was my fault, I hang my head in shame. |
| 12:01.59 | streuner | portahex: and don't tell you are unable to fix this in debian, you can do this pretty well thats for sure... |
| 12:02.02 | bob2 | portahex: ahhh, I see |
| 12:02.12 | bob2 | streuner: what's your favourite ice cream flavour? |
| 12:02.16 | ethics | bob2 hehe so go with unbutu?? hehehehe |
| 12:02.27 | ethics | bob2 nah itll be soon enough for me |
| 12:02.28 | asg | paulswm: you should not be able to break the bot. It might be a bug. |
| 12:02.28 | bob2 | ethics: hey, I love sid, shiney new toys every day |
| 12:02.45 | streuner | bob2: strawberry |
| 12:02.52 | bob2 | paulswm: if you poke it too much in some time period, it will ignore you for a while |
| 12:02.53 | portahex | streuner, i have better things to do with my life. option 1, install ubuntu. option 2, create my own debian with 30% ubuntu packages & claim it's still debian and gives me the benefits of debian, making me look like a cock |
| 12:03.05 | bob2 | streuner: with actual strawberris in it, or just flavouring? |
| 12:03.14 | streuner | just flavouring |
| 12:03.18 | Phated | paulswm: It ignored me once. I was very sad. |
| 12:03.20 | jethro | what the fuck is this all about? |
| 12:03.25 | kaner | are you on the canonical payroll? |
| 12:03.25 | ethics | i just get scared of unstable coz im not good enough yet to know how to fix everything...im sco when i was young but winnt/2k for 10 years so its refresher time |
| 12:03.31 | asg | jethro: an analogy re: distributions |
| 12:03.42 | asg | !hug Phated |
| 12:03.49 | bob2 | paulswm: sorbet? |
| 12:03.58 | paulswm | bob2: thanks, I was afraid I had broken it, now I understand |
| 12:03.58 | valdyn | portahex: you dont need to defend your choice of the right tool for you. |
| 12:04.03 | streuner | bob2: besides thats not the point, the point is rather whats with those pr0n gurus who spam the channel, its ok for you too? |
| 12:04.03 | Phated | Sorbet is quite delightful. |
| 12:04.04 | jethro | asg: I figured that out. I ve seen people pimp ubuntu all sunday, I thought I d be safe today, but I forgot about permatardsday |
| 12:04.05 | bob2 | ethics: ah, sarge then etch is a nice compromise then |
| 12:04.10 | Phated | paulswm: Sorbet! |
| 12:04.22 | bob2 | streuner: if I see one, I ban it ASAP, I hate them |
| 12:04.26 | asg | jethro: then we'll just pimp OpenBSD |
| 12:04.28 | portahex | valdyn, need to? no. but i feel it's my debt to society to smack down idiots for being idiots |
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| 12:04.32 | bob2 | streuner: then I report it to freenode staff so it gets k-lined |
| 12:04.36 | LoneTech | I'm still curious what that was about wireless laptops. |
| 12:04.38 | jethro | asg: good idea |
| 12:04.40 | streuner | bob2: well, they want make money too |
| 12:04.41 | paulswm | bob2, nah, sugar. I have substituted bowls of oatmeal for the fibre. Do not get trapped in an elevator or small room with me. |
| 12:04.47 | valdyn | portahex: aye, point. |
| 12:04.57 | bob2 | streuner: they make money from people seeing their spam, I make nothing |
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| 12:05.00 | bob2 | I don't even work on ubuntu |
| 12:05.06 | bob2 | I'm not allowed to upload packages to it |
| 12:05.06 | bob2 | etc |
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| 12:05.13 | asg | LoneTech: from what I can reconstruct, someone suggest ubuntu as a perhaps easier way to configure wireless than stock debian. Someone was then flamed. Now we are all having ice cream. |
| 12:05.14 | ethics | bob2 actually you may have a good answer for me...i have sarge installed on sda atm but i have a sdb which i want to put a dodgy little win2k build on...is there a nice way to do the 2k install or should i rip out sda and install as a single disk the grub bootload it? |
| 12:05.25 | LoneTech | ah. |
| 12:05.25 | spdf | "paulswm: Okay. I know we're stuck, but that corner over there is the bathroom. I mean it." |
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| 12:05.49 | bob2 | ethics: hmmm, windows didn't like being on a secondary disk last time I tried |
| 12:05.55 | paulswm | spdf: Heh. I am a walking biological weapon. |
| 12:05.57 | LoneTech | last time I tried, ubuntu had no clue I had a wireless card, a rather unsurprising result. |
| 12:05.59 | portahex | valdyn, i am sick to fucking death of "you could do that with debian" comments on this laptop. know what? no! i fucking CAN'T. the ONLY way to do so is to use the kernel, xserver, and other packages, from ubuntu - and why for the love of god would i do that? |
| 12:06.15 | solemnwarning | whats the chmod number for read only? |
| 12:06.15 | bob2 | ethics: if I were you, I'd make the windows disk sda (ie move it forward in the chain), and then put grub on it after it has windows installed |
| 12:06.28 | portahex | solemnwarning, something without a 2 in it, i.e. 4 or 5 |
| 12:06.29 | kaner | bob2, portahex: feel free to leave and /j #ubuntu |
| 12:06.31 | jethro | solemnwarning: depend who you want to give read |
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| 12:06.42 | asg | !wikifaq solemnwarning Permissions |
| 12:06.44 | dpkg | solemnwarning: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:06.46 | ethics | bob2: grub has a map function which solved it...but i was hoping to move linux behind the nt bootloader...coz windows sucks |
| 12:06.51 | bob2 | kaner: you're a bit behind the conversation, we're talking about dual boot and ice cream now |
| 12:06.55 | bob2 | kaner: what's your favourite? |
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| 12:07.08 | Jacobo221 | "target release date: 2005-06-06" <- wasn't scheduled release dat _today_ ? |
| 12:07.12 | liable | mmm icecream |
| 12:07.15 | spdf | Jacobo221, things change.. |
| 12:07.16 | portahex | Jacobo221, it WAS, sure |
| 12:07.20 | asg | Jacobo221: nothing is scheduled |
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| 12:07.28 | jethro | bob2: ice cream is almost as on-topic as ubuntu in #debian |
| 12:07.29 | spdf | Jacobo221, Fix some bugs, it'll come out sooner.. |
| 12:07.30 | paulswm | solemnwarning: man chmod tells you |
| 12:07.34 | streuner | bob2: no - he is right - thats exactly the point, what would happen if someone recommend gentoo, still ok then? |
| 12:07.38 | kaner | bob2: well. /j #icecream |
| 12:07.43 | liable | jethro: hehe |
| 12:07.49 | valdyn | Jacobo221: debian has no firm release schedule, that is _not_ possible with debians policy |
| 12:07.50 | jethro | s/recommend/pimp/ |
| 12:07.52 | asg | jethro: don't forget the great discussion we had regarding nasty bugs (the ones with legs) the other day. |
| 12:07.55 | tra1a1a | I prefer ice cream way more than dual booting |
| 12:08.04 | streuner | bob2: besides - based on linux... |
| 12:08.11 | Jacobo221 | spdf, portahex, asg, valdyn: okokokok! don't kill me! ;P |
| 12:08.12 | bob2 | Jacobo221: the release keeps slipping for various things, but it is getting closer |
| 12:08.15 | jethro | asg: I m not follwing you, mind detailing? |
| 12:08.21 | bob2 | Jacobo221: I'd be surprised if it's more than a couple of weeks now |
| 12:08.28 | asg | jethro: oh, you might not have been here. |
| 12:08.40 | incorrect | iface lo inet loopback doesn't create a routing entry for lo right? |
| 12:08.45 | bob2 | streuner: tell you what...I won't recommend ubuntu to anyone else in here, and you drop this conspiracy theory |
| 12:08.46 | Jacobo221 | bob2: yes I can see. i can remember it was scheduled for mid-2004 too ;) |
| 12:08.50 | jethro | asg: it rings a bell, but I can't seem to recall what we were talking about |
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| 12:08.57 | liable | ok |
| 12:08.59 | bob2 | jethro: hehe |
| 12:09.12 | asg | jethro: nasty things that live .au (not bob2) |
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| 12:09.20 | LoneTech | incorrect: the automatic 127.0.0.0/8 route is created, if you ifup it. you need an "auto lo" line to get that done at boot. |
| 12:09.27 | portahex | streuner, if debian physically cannot do the job without a MAJOR investment of time & energy in breaking debian packaging, then telling them to put in that advisement is poor ethics, moronic, zealotous, etc. if someone says "debian won't install on my i915 board", simple answer: tough luck, wait for etch install discs, make your own installer with a 2.6.10 kernel, or install a 2.6.10 distro like suse 9.3 or ubuntu |
| 12:09.28 | valdyn | Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 31 <-- find one per day and you can probably fuck the schedule ;) |
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| 12:09.44 | jethro | asg: you mean nasty things other than bob2? ;) |
| 12:09.49 | paulswm | streuner: If I have hardware which you know works out of the box with ubuntu, but talkes some tricky work with debian, and I am inexperienced, you would hopefully point me to ubuntu, no? I don't see a problem with that, for *any* distro which might be more suitable. |
| 12:10.10 | bob2 | jethro: oi, I'm lovable in person |
| 12:10.10 | asg | jethro: no, bob2's a good guy |
| 12:10.21 | bob2 | just ask... |
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| 12:10.45 | jethro | bob2: asg: notice the trailing ";)" heh |
| 12:10.56 | melon | hey world |
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| 12:11.09 | paulswm | jethro: bob2 really is a good guy, I don't care what everyone else says about him when he's not here :P |
| 12:11.11 | asg | !fruitsmite melon |
| 12:11.12 | LoneTech | paulswm: no problem as long as it doesn't compromise other requirements, imho |
| 12:11.30 | Phated | bob2 is a lovely lovely person. |
| 12:11.40 | tra1a1a | portahex: you are right. I agree 100% with you. Just, please, calm down now. |
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| 12:12.03 | ethics | bob2 kk sound easy enough hehe |
| 12:12.13 | jethro | wait I never said he was an ass did I ? |
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| 12:13.03 | Phated | No one said you did. Surely we're allowed to affirm a nice person without someone having to say he's an ass? |
| 12:13.04 | paulswm | LoneTech: I've recommended Windows before. Whatever suits the person's needs and skills. |
| 12:13.30 | tra1a1a | That's right! |
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| 12:13.39 | paulswm | jethro: No, I see your humor now. |
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| 12:14.05 | portahex | paulswm, this is the difference between preference and zealotry. i prefer debian, but it's not infallable |
| 12:14.11 | jethro | Phated: it's just everyone telling me at the very same time how bob2 is a nice guy. it made me wonder a bit abou twhat I might've said |
| 12:14.16 | paulswm | !prize portahex |
| 12:14.21 | paulswm | :( |
| 12:14.28 | Phated | jethro: Tut. Never, EVER doubt your own word. |
| 12:14.28 | paulswm | @prize portahex |
| 12:14.31 | Phated | !prize portahex |
| 12:14.38 | paulswm | *sob* |
| 12:14.39 | portahex | woo, yogi |
| 12:14.42 | amorphix | !win amorphix |
| 12:14.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, amorphix! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 12:14.47 | amorphix | haha |
| 12:14.51 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 12:15.04 | tra1a1a | !irritate me |
| 12:15.07 | dpkg | tra1a1a: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound kk |
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| 12:16.14 | Tuttle_ | Hi, my ext3 filename charset is UTF-8 on Sarge. Samba is prividing the directory with perfect filename charset translation for windows-1250 clients. I installed vsftpd, but it seems to be unable to translate charsets. FTP Users will use mostly Total Commander. Does anyone know about some other solution than to change filesystem charset to cp1250? |
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| 12:16.39 | tarzeau | Tuttle_: no, change irc client |
| 12:16.45 | tarzeau | s,irc,ftp, |
| 12:16.47 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:16.47 | dpkg | qotd84 is probably <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
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| 12:17.01 | portahex | Tuttle_, there is probably a samba option. i've messed about with mounting unicode windows shares with smbfs, which is already a pain |
| 12:17.01 | mutante | i was inside an irssi session and accidentally hit the "Pause" key on my keyboard, which "[1]+ Stopped irssi". Can i revive it somehow or is it killed now? Suprised me anyways that this key was actually doing something in bash |
| 12:17.08 | portahex | Tuttle_, i suspect #samba might be able to help |
| 12:17.12 | asg | mutante: fg |
| 12:17.15 | portahex | fg |
| 12:17.18 | tarzeau | Guerin: mutante fg |
| 12:17.22 | Tuttle_ | portahex: I do not have problem with Samba. |
| 12:17.25 | mutante | thanks all |
| 12:17.30 | Guerin | tarzeau: thanks mate |
| 12:17.30 | tarzeau | mutante: that was ctrl-z |
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| 12:17.36 | bob2 | mutante: or "%1", if in future you do it to more than one process |
| 12:17.47 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:17.47 | dpkg | [qotd39] <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
| 12:17.55 | streuner | Guerin: you are so silent, what happend to you? |
| 12:17.56 | aburlet | hello, to tell me why setting the timezone to GMT+2 substracts 2 hours from the local clock ? Shouldn't it ADD 2 hours ? |
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| 12:18.09 | yalu | anyone who uses apt-build? apt-build seems to ignore my compilation setting... -mcpu=pentium-mmx pe is ignored |
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| 12:18.23 | tarzeau | aburlet: where are you? |
| 12:18.29 | silenius | aburlet: local clock set to gmt+4? ;) |
| 12:18.36 | tarzeau | aburlet: what says date -u and date? |
| 12:18.39 | warty | when will the new version of debian be released? |
| 12:18.40 | bob2 | aburlet: depends if your system thinks your hardware clock is set to UTC or local time? |
| 12:18.42 | aburlet | silenius, local clock set to UTC |
| 12:18.46 | tarzeau | warty: tomorrow |
| 12:18.48 | portahex | warty, next week, in theory |
| 12:18.50 | streuner | warty: wir |
| 12:18.57 | warty | ok thanks |
| 12:18.58 | streuner | !wir |
| 12:18.58 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 12:18.58 | bob2 | warty: when it's ready, hopefully very soon ( = weeks) |
| 12:18.59 | paulswm | warty: /topic |
| 12:19.00 | aburlet | my hardware clock is set at UTC, and my system knows that .. |
| 12:19.02 | Guerin | streuner: eating |
| 12:19.08 | streuner | Guerin: hm |
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| 12:19.17 | streuner | good apptetit |
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| 12:19.20 | yalu | how difficult would it be to set up a debian build daemon that compiles everything optimised for pentium-mmx? |
| 12:19.24 | paulswm | No one reads the topic, kind of pointless having one :( |
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| 12:19.30 | tarzeau | yalu: not worht the effort |
| 12:19.39 | aburlet | If I set timezone as Europe/Paris /which is GMT+2 now) it works ... but if I set TZ to GMT+2, it doesn't work ! |
| 12:19.40 | bob2 | aburlet: /etc/default/rcS has it set correctly? |
| 12:19.41 | tarzeau | paulswm: some irc clients sucks showing it |
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| 12:19.45 | aburlet | bob2, yup |
| 12:19.45 | yalu | tarzeau: that's a subjective thing |
| 12:19.46 | asg | paulswm: no, it exists so we can lart anyone who doesn't read it like they should. |
| 12:19.46 | bob2 | yalu: not very, but not very useful |
| 12:19.55 | Guerin | yalu: apt-build |
| 12:19.59 | bob2 | yalu: it's not subjective, gcc only recently got the ability to vectorise things |
| 12:19.59 | yalu | is there documentation about it? |
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| 12:20.07 | yalu | Guerin: I use apt-build now... it's still buggy |
| 12:20.12 | tarzeau | yalu: yes there is documentation |
| 12:20.14 | paulswm | asg: Oh, good plan, that hadn't occurred to me :) |
| 12:20.19 | valdyn | yalu: dont bother, its a waste of time |
| 12:20.24 | Guerin | yalu: yes. But the buildds are horrifically underdocumented, aiui. |
| 12:20.37 | bob2 | yalu: if you insist, install pentium-builder in a pbuilder chroot, and use that to recompile things |
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| 12:20.39 | portahex | yalu, mmx only improves very specific instructions |
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| 12:20.51 | tarzeau | yalu: http://kmuto.jp/open.cgi?buildd |
| 12:20.56 | Guerin | but I generally concur: woft. |
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| 12:21.07 | yalu | thx |
| 12:21.08 | asg | paulswm: we used to have the bot's news function too but these days we don't use it in favor of /topic -> factoid links. |
| 12:21.12 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's not THAT bad |
| 12:21.33 | tra1a1a | !thx |
| 12:21.33 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 12:21.41 | Guerin | tarzeau: i speak only from listening to the complaintd of people who've been trying to set it up |
| 12:21.53 | tarzeau | Guerin: maybe they were morons? |
| 12:21.54 | tarzeau | !qotd |
| 12:21.54 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". >> amorphix<< liable: I dont have idget < amorphix> is the name right? |
| 12:22.10 | Guerin | tarzeau: more than likely |
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| 12:22.24 | aburlet | bob2, can you explain that : date -> 10:20:27 GMT+2 |
| 12:22.30 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:22.30 | dpkg | <florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks? |
| 12:22.40 | Overand | heh |
| 12:22.41 | aburlet | bob2, date -u --> 12:20:31 UTC |
| 12:22.55 | bob2 | aburlet: that is odd |
| 12:23.04 | aburlet | bob2, it sure is |
| 12:23.20 | bob2 | I'm outta ideas then, sorry |
| 12:23.21 | jm_ | why is that odd? |
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| 12:23.23 | asg | grr |
| 12:23.24 | aburlet | bob2, hwclock --> Time read from Hardware Clock: 2005/05/30 12:21:51 |
| 12:23.28 | asg | !qotd123 |
| 12:23.28 | dpkg | well, qotd123 is <asg> liable should learn more blootbot-fu before futzing with the factoids. |
| 12:23.37 | CrAzYWolF | morning all |
| 12:23.49 | aburlet | jm_, because GMT+2 time should be 2 more hours than UTC time |
| 12:23.49 | tarzeau | !nickometer CrAzYWolF |
| 12:23.49 | dpkg | 'CrAzYWolF' is 99.9088% lame, tarzeau |
| 12:24.23 | liable | asg: you could blow me too :) |
| 12:24.23 | jm_ | aburlet: ahh of course |
| 12:24.52 | liable | asg: its 121 anyways |
| 12:24.56 | CrAzYWolF | !mickometer dpkg |
| 12:25.01 | CrAzYWolF | !nickometer dpkg |
| 12:25.04 | bob2 | CrAzYWolF: dpkg is a bot |
| 12:25.13 | LoneTech | I wonder if this nickometer would react to my nick. not all of them do. |
| 12:25.23 | CrAzYWolF | roger that |
| 12:25.29 | toresbe | CrAzYWolF: and it's 0% lame. |
| 12:25.34 | bob2 | amorphix: no replies on debian-x yet? |
| 12:25.39 | CrAzYWolF | hehe |
| 12:25.42 | CrAzYWolF | got it |
| 12:25.42 | amorphix | bob2: nothing |
| 12:25.44 | asg | liable: and 122 and both were broken. |
| 12:25.50 | Guerin | dpkg isn't lame, it only has lame users |
| 12:25.52 | incorrect | do you really need iproute over the normal to setup routing on a device level basis? |
| 12:25.57 | toresbe | CrAzYWolF: YoUr NiCk, HoWeVeR, cOuLd UsE sOmE wOrK :) |
| 12:26.01 | asg | liable: and then you added a bit of crap to the end of 'qotd' |
| 12:26.04 | liable | asg: yes, I do suck at macking em :( |
| 12:26.10 | CrAzYWolF | toresbe |
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| 12:26.16 | liable | making even |
| 12:26.16 | CrAzYWolF | i have 8 years with this nick |
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| 12:26.23 | CrAzYWolF | heh |
| 12:26.28 | Guerin | CrAzYWolF: wow, you were ircing at 2 years old? |
| 12:26.30 | CrAzYWolF | thats whats cool about is crazy |
| 12:26.30 | bob2 | incorrect: iproute is a superset of the route command |
| 12:26.34 | CrAzYWolF | CrAzY |
| 12:26.34 | Guerin | that explains a lot |
| 12:26.36 | Overand | feel the love |
| 12:26.38 | toresbe | CrAzYWolF: rEaDiNg TeXt WrItTeN tHiS wAy GeTs OlD qUiCk... |
| 12:26.40 | tarzeau | CrAzYWolF: It'S gIViNg mE eYE cAnCeR |
| 12:26.48 | CrAzYWolF | hehe |
| 12:26.54 | asg | tarzeau: can you pipe that through /usr/games/chef first please |
| 12:27.02 | jethro | hah |
| 12:27.04 | LoneTech | could you please stop imitating him? |
| 12:27.07 | amorphix | should I perhaps just accept that the wacom pad isnt gonna work on my puter with Linux and give up? |
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| 12:27.15 | Guerin | LoneTech: you can talk |
| 12:27.15 | CrAzYWolF | the thing is in the server that i have been all my life people know me by this |
| 12:27.17 | Overand | ThAT iS PRetTY cOnvENiENt aS iT iS gIVInG mE *BRAIN* CaNCeR |
| 12:27.19 | amorphix | 4 days into this now and no progress really |
| 12:27.24 | CrAzYWolF | i was using CrazyWolf |
| 12:27.26 | tarzeau | asg: | car eve? pip? it tnrou?h ?cthackify first. |
| 12:27.27 | toresbe | LoneTech: OkAy, Shall I ImiTate youThen? :P |
| 12:27.27 | Overand | CrAzYWolF: so use differen caps here |
| 12:27.30 | incorrect | bob2, i don't think i want to do anything that complex, i just want to setup routing of local connections and eth0 to be route through gw1 and eth1 to be sent through gw2 |
| 12:27.38 | tarzeau | asg: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ see nh_printer ... |
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| 12:27.43 | Overand | toresbe: that would require whining |
| 12:27.45 | CrAzYWolF | ok no problem |
| 12:27.48 | asg | tarzeau: hah, nice |
| 12:27.53 | LordWolF | better? |
| 12:27.56 | Guerin | oh god |
| 12:27.58 | tarzeau | LordWolF: alot |
| 12:27.59 | toresbe | much |
| 12:28.02 | Overand | yes |
| 12:28.04 | LordWolF | cool\ |
| 12:28.08 | Guerin | why do nicks always have to be grandiose |
| 12:28.11 | Overand | remember, linux is case sensitive |
| 12:28.16 | dannyp | I still can't read "Lord" without thinking Legend of the Red Dragon |
| 12:28.17 | asg | Guerin: I prefer sublime |
| 12:28.18 | toresbe | tarzeau: what's that? |
| 12:28.19 | tarzeau | asg: $ apt-cache search chef |
| 12:28.20 | tarzeau | burgerspace - Avoid evil foodstuffs and make burgers. |
| 12:28.23 | toresbe | the nh_printer thing |
| 12:28.24 | paulswm | LordWolF: Don't let the guys push you around :) |
| 12:28.25 | Overand | dannyp: that would be LORDWolf |
| 12:28.26 | tarzeau | asg: where is /usr/games/chef from? |
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| 12:28.28 | asg | tarzeau: no, it's in bsdgames |
| 12:28.30 | Guerin | you always see FooMaster999, but never peasantbar001 |
| 12:28.31 | asg | tarzeau: or filters |
| 12:28.32 | LordWolF | thats mental bro |
| 12:28.33 | LordWolF | >:) |
| 12:28.36 | LordWolF | i dont mind |
| 12:28.38 | dannyp | Overand: true. I'm just demonstrating how my brain has been miswired |
| 12:28.39 | Overand | it might be in 'filters' |
| 12:28.40 | tarzeau | toresbe: you know nethack? |
| 12:28.41 | spdf | dannyp, GREAT game :) |
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| 12:28.47 | dannyp | pfffft |
| 12:28.49 | tarzeau | toresbe: you find often texts that are partly wiped out |
| 12:28.51 | asg | tarzeau: yeah, filters bork bork |
| 12:28.54 | dannyp | BRE was the best door game |
| 12:28.59 | tarzeau | toresbe: nh_printer does about the same more or less good |
| 12:29.00 | spdf | dannyp, I was just about to say that.. |
| 12:29.02 | toresbe | tarzeau: yes.. |
| 12:29.03 | streuner | Guerin: google for nick study in IRC, they made one at the uni in cologne AFAIK |
| 12:29.04 | dannyp | followed by Tradewars, followed by why-don't-you-just-log-off |
| 12:29.12 | tarzeau | toresbe: telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 12:29.13 | toresbe | tarzeau: aha |
| 12:29.18 | incorrect | route add default gw x.x.x.x dev lo |
| 12:29.18 | incorrect | route add default gw x.x.x.x dev bond0 |
| 12:29.18 | incorrect | route add default gw y.y.y.y dev bond1 |
| 12:29.18 | Guerin | streuner: heh, nice. |
| 12:29.26 | spdf | dannyp, I played way too much bre back in the day.. |
| 12:29.31 | tarzeau | toresbe: oh machine is down.. so no nh_printed i'm not playing right now |
| 12:29.31 | incorrect | can you do that to set up default gw's per device? |
| 12:29.33 | paulswm | Guerin: I've seen 'moron' in a nick, and there was of course always 'rectum' and 'hogballs' |
| 12:29.34 | toresbe | telnet: connect to address 80.219.75.92: No route to host |
| 12:29.34 | Guerin | incorrect: incorrect use of irc. |
| 12:29.36 | streuner | Guerin: and classify all nicks to animals, S.F. and so on... |
| 12:29.39 | toresbe | ok |
| 12:29.45 | asg | paulswm: don't forget fartfish |
| 12:29.51 | Guerin | paulswm: true. And we had stupid_user in here awhile |
| 12:30.02 | valdyn | incorrect: default means default router for _everything_, not default for that device |
| 12:30.05 | incorrect | Guerin, i didn't mean to get that on separate lines |
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| 12:30.11 | paulswm | asg: that's funny |
| 12:30.15 | valdyn | s/router/route/ |
| 12:30.17 | Guerin | never seen a LightBunny, though - plenty of DarkTigers |
| 12:30.29 | valdyn | incorrect: so you better use only _one_ default route |
| 12:30.31 | paulswm | Guerin: Only *one*? HAH |
| 12:30.33 | uggwar | does anyone know what the 1: means in a version number (eg. 1:4.0s1)? |
| 12:30.33 | dannyp | Guerin: I do believe it's amusing that someone questions grandiose nicks yet uses "Guerin" as his moniker |
| 12:30.48 | uggwar | and how can i set it in my homebrewed packages? |
| 12:30.51 | tarzeau | uggwar: yes |
| 12:30.51 | pureone | hmm for some reason local mail is not working... donno what the problem is theres stuff in /var/spool/mail but when i type "mail" it says i have no mail :( |
| 12:30.51 | Guerin | dannyp: why? |
| 12:30.57 | tarzeau | uggwar: copy paste? |
| 12:31.00 | valdyn | incorrect: otherwise simply the topmost will be chosen and the others are just useless |
| 12:31.07 | Guerin | dannyp: you use your name... what's weird about me using mine? |
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| 12:31.11 | tarzeau | uggwar: it's used to override version numbers with a smaller one, called epoch |
| 12:31.13 | dannyp | Guerin: you're actually a Guerin? |
| 12:31.19 | dannyp | any relation to Daniel? |
| 12:31.20 | asg | pureone: does the stuff in /var/spool/mail belong to you? |
| 12:31.20 | paulswm | @win Guerin |
| 12:31.20 | ravenbird | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 12:31.21 | tarzeau | uggwar: say you want to go from 3.0 to 0.3 |
| 12:31.22 | Guerin | so it would appear |
| 12:31.28 | Guerin | never heard of him |
| 12:31.32 | uggwar | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 12:31.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: SYN |
| 12:31.42 | pureone | asg yes and some stuff is being send to /var/spool/mail/mail |
| 12:31.46 | Guerin | i get asked all the time if I know so-and-so a guerin from some country I've never been to |
| 12:31.47 | pureone | ACK |
| 12:31.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: ACK |
| 12:31.57 | cmug | SYN |
| 12:32.01 | uggwar | tarzeau: i want to override a package in the repos with my own, but the 1: makes it impossible |
| 12:32.01 | pureone | RST |
| 12:32.04 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: how are you doing today? |
| 12:32.06 | asg | pureone: what does 'echo $MAIL' print |
| 12:32.07 | tarzeau | uggwar: use 2: |
| 12:32.11 | liable | fin |
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| 12:32.14 | Guerin | and I get accused of being french now and again, too |
| 12:32.15 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: utter boredom |
| 12:32.20 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hehe |
| 12:32.21 | uggwar | tarzeau: yup, thanks alot! |
| 12:32.21 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yourself? fish was good? |
| 12:32.31 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no did not go fishing |
| 12:32.32 | dannyp | Guerin: Daniel Guerin was one of the more famous French anarchists of 20th century |
| 12:32.35 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: could not get the boat |
| 12:32.37 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:32.42 | paulswm | Guerin: When I first moved to USA from London, I was always getting asked, for instance, "Do you know Dave Williams? He lives in London." |
| 12:32.45 | pureone | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.46 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: we've been grilling yesterday |
| 12:32.50 | Guerin | paulswm: haha |
| 12:32.51 | pureone | hmm |
| 12:32.51 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: it was locked in a security place and they would not let us in |
| 12:32.52 | bob2 | paulswm: hah |
| 12:32.56 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what did you grill? |
| 12:32.56 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: everything hurts |
| 12:32.59 | asg | pureone: and does /var/mail/root exist? |
| 12:33.03 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: penises |
| 12:33.08 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ew |
| 12:33.15 | Guerin | !tarzeau++ |
| 12:33.20 | Phated | Heh. |
| 12:33.24 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: don't knock it till you've tried it... |
| 12:33.27 | liable | what? |
| 12:33.29 | tarzeau | what do one usually grill? |
| 12:33.32 | asg | dog |
| 12:33.33 | streuner | dpkg, karma tarzeau |
| 12:33.33 | dpkg | tarzeau has karma of 7 |
| 12:33.37 | jethro | asg: where did you get this /usr/games/chef sarge's bsdgames doesn't have it |
| 12:33.38 | Guerin | dog nipples |
| 12:33.41 | Guerin | n aturally |
| 12:33.42 | tarzeau | streuner: karma was turned off, years ago |
| 12:33.43 | asg | jethro: no, it's in filters |
| 12:33.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: steaks, hotdogs, etc... |
| 12:33.48 | bob2 | tarzeau: steak and sausages and PRAWNS |
| 12:33.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: here poeple grill anything |
| 12:33.52 | bob2 | none of this shrimp business |
| 12:33.56 | streuner | tarzeau: sure... |
| 12:34.09 | Phated | PRawns! |
| 12:34.12 | toresbe | I should get a haxor nick. |
| 12:34.19 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: no thanks I will leave the penises to you |
| 12:34.21 | asg | Phated: Pwned |
| 12:34.23 | pureone | asg i fixes it. just did MAIL=/var/mail/pureone;export MAIL |
| 12:34.25 | jethro | asg: a package called filters? |
| 12:34.26 | toresbe | I felt really haxor yesterday. |
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| 12:34.29 | pureone | fixed* |
| 12:34.30 | Phated | asg: Phwned? :) |
| 12:34.33 | asg | pureone: 1) don't read mail as root |
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| 12:34.38 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: yummeh |
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| 12:34.40 | asg | jethro: yes |
| 12:34.45 | jharrisonwk | sick bastard |
| 12:34.47 | asg | !info filters |
| 12:34.49 | dpkg | filters: (a collection of filters, including B1FF and the Swedish Chef), section games, is optional. Version: 2.34 (sid), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 12:34.59 | pureone | asg im not, im reading it as the user pureone |
| 12:35.15 | Morydd | when sarge becomes stable? what will then become of the "testing" branch? |
| 12:35.17 | asg | pureone: when echo $MAIL returned /var/mail/root, you weren't pureone at the time |
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| 12:35.25 | jethro | hah there's a jethro filter |
| 12:35.25 | streuner | Morydd: wir |
| 12:35.26 | jharrisonwk | Morydd: it will die a horrible death |
| 12:35.31 | Phated | Morydd: It will reappear as etch/ |
| 12:35.33 | jharrisonwk | Morydd: and then it will be no more |
| 12:35.35 | pureone | asg it did it as both the user root and the user pureone |
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| 12:35.39 | tarzeau | Morydd: tomorrow |
| 12:35.41 | streuner | Morydd: /msg dpkg etch |
| 12:35.41 | jharrisonwk | Morydd: and then debian will stop |
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| 12:35.54 | streuner | !etch |
| 12:35.54 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases> |
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| 12:37.01 | jharrisonwk | streuner: hi |
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| 12:37.01 | liable | goddamn, hiccups, cant read screen |
| 12:37.01 | streuner | jharrisonwk: hi |
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| 12:37.02 | jharrisonwk | streuner: hows things |
| 12:37.15 | streuner | jharrisonwk: fine, thanks. |
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| 12:37.45 | Guerin | reminds me of an ESL joke |
| 12:37.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:37.51 | dpkg | qotd114 is, like, <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 12:37.54 | Guerin | there aren't many ESL jokes, so bear with me |
| 12:37.54 | streuner | ESL? |
| 12:38.01 | streuner | !esl |
| 12:38.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:38.05 | Guerin | english as a second language; what I do for a living |
| 12:38.13 | whm | how to bind the "printscreen" key to ksnapshot in icewm? |
| 12:38.13 | incorrect | route add -net x.x.x.x netmask a.a.a.a dev bond0 gw x.x.x.z & route add -net y.y.y.y netmask a.a.a.a dev & bond1 gw y.y.y.z & route add default gw x.x.x.z |
| 12:38.19 | tarzeau | Guerin: heh reminds me of another ESL... |
| 12:38.29 | Guerin | so there's this guy from $countrywheretheylearnESL |
| 12:38.31 | jm_ | whm: icewm uses ~/.icewm/keys for that |
| 12:38.52 | tarzeau | debian description for ipkungfu: ipkungfu is an advanced iptables script that can be also used by people that are not high on IP security knowledge. |
| 12:38.58 | tarzeau | are you high on ip security? |
| 12:39.03 | jetscreamer | whm: you can apt-get install iceme icepref also, might help |
| 12:39.05 | Guerin | and he goes to LA, and on the way from LAX to his hotel, his taxi has a massive accident, blood everywhere, and he's trapped in the car |
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| 12:39.27 | jetscreamer | funny as hell already |
| 12:39.33 | liable | no |
| 12:39.36 | Guerin | the EMT arrives, and says "Hey dude, are you alive in there? How you doin'?" and he goes... |
| 12:39.51 | Guerin | "I'm fine thanks, and you?" |
| 12:39.57 | asg | haha |
| 12:40.02 | Phated | HEh. |
| 12:40.09 | toresbe | my alarm clock made my acoustic coupler modem handshake |
| 12:40.22 | liable | thats not it is it? |
| 12:40.22 | whm | can u tell me the detail? i don't know how to write for the key "printscreen" |
| 12:40.29 | Guerin | you sort of have to teach ESL to get this one... |
| 12:40.42 | liable | !eat Guerin |
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| 12:41.41 | asg | whm: /msg dpkg screenshot |
| 12:41.52 | jharrisonwk | how to add a action to dpkg and is this possible by normal people? |
| 12:42.05 | asg | jharrisonwk: yes and yes unless your liable |
| 12:42.12 | asg | s/your/you are/ |
| 12:42.19 | jharrisonwk | asg: how? |
| 12:42.25 | asg | jharrisonwk: /msg dpkg help |
| 12:42.25 | tra1a1a | jharrisonwk: /msg dpkg help |
| 12:42.34 | liable | !fuck asg |
| 12:42.40 | tra1a1a | asg: got me |
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| 12:42.45 | liable | :) |
| 12:42.51 | asg | oooh, glass. |
| 12:43.41 | liable | hmmm |
| 12:43.47 | liable | asg: sop picking on me :( |
| 12:43.47 | jharrisonwk | action is considered such as !eat nick or some such correct? |
| 12:43.50 | paulswm | asg: or paulswm, dpkg still ignores me :( |
| 12:43.53 | liable | haha |
| 12:44.10 | paulswm | !test |
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| 12:44.15 | paulswm | :( |
| 12:44.26 | Guerin | paulswm: too many qotds for you |
| 12:44.31 | liable | paulswm: botabuser :) |
| 12:44.38 | Guerin | paulswm: bad news: the default ban is 6 months :) |
| 12:44.51 | jetscreamer | !say i don't love you anymore paulswm |
| 12:44.51 | dpkg | i don't love you anymore paulswm |
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| 12:44.57 | paulswm | Guerin: Nooooo |
| 12:44.58 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you can use /me touches you naughtily |
| 12:45.09 | Phated | Don't you drive a poor old man up the wall. |
| 12:45.10 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes thats true |
| 12:45.19 | jetscreamer | hey i'm jold |
| 12:45.20 | abrotman | paulswm: did you ask him to forget ? |
| 12:45.21 | jetscreamer | err old |
| 12:45.38 | jetscreamer | i've got grey and everything |
| 12:45.42 | jharrisonwk | hhhmmmmm irc love |
| 12:45.43 | abrotman | where? |
| 12:46.03 | tarzeau | !mount ab |
| 12:46.15 | tarzeau | !love jharrisonwk |
| 12:46.20 | abrotman | paulswm: i got ignored by dpkg for asking him to forget a factoid .. had to have don remve the ban |
| 12:46.21 | tarzeau | !kiss Phated |
| 12:46.22 | paulswm | Phated is moh tuck teng, lah. |
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| 12:46.41 | Phated | paulswm: No is, and leh, damnit, leh! |
| 12:46.42 | liable | nite #debianites |
| 12:46.45 | tarzeau | !breastfeed paulswm |
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| 12:46.53 | paulswm | abrotman: that is exactly what happened to me, I was replacing the tickle command |
| 12:47.06 | abrotman | paulswm: yep .. you'll have to talk to don |
| 12:47.15 | tra1a1a | aaaah, that's ugly! |
| 12:47.21 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: If you lastlog, can you remove dpkg's ban on me puleeeze? |
| 12:47.34 | abrotman | s/ban/ignore |
| 12:47.34 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 12:47.47 | jetscreamer | @say paulswm i don't love you either |
| 12:47.48 | ravenbird | paulswm i don't love you either |
| 12:47.55 | jetscreamer | ~say you suck |
| 12:48.00 | apt | you suck |
| 12:48.00 | bob2 | in other news, thoggen is awesome |
| 12:48.08 | liable | @ignore paulswm |
| 12:48.08 | bob2 | converts my dvds to Ogg Theora/Vorbis with a few clicks |
| 12:48.12 | tra1a1a | !alert |
| 12:48.12 | dpkg | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
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| 12:48.17 | paulswm | Phated: Ai yah, sorry lah, Phated moh tuck teng, leh. |
| 12:48.18 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Please do, paulswm didn't mean it. |
| 12:48.21 | jetscreamer | LOL |
| 12:48.23 | Phated | :D |
| 12:48.29 | Phated | paulswm: Well DONE. |
| 12:48.46 | paulswm | You bastards |
| 12:48.49 | paulswm | :D |
| 12:48.53 | simonrvn | !botabuse |
| 12:48.53 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 12:49.51 | paulswm | Well I'l build my own bot which LUVs me |
| 12:50.03 | jetscreamer | hope you know perl |
| 12:50.09 | paulswm | Then it'll prolly leave me for ravenbird |
| 12:50.17 | paulswm | jetscreamer: Yes, very well |
| 12:50.24 | jetscreamer | apt-get install blootbot |
| 12:50.32 | jharrisonwk | is perl the only language a bot can be coded in? |
| 12:50.35 | paulswm | I KNOW!!11!! |
| 12:50.40 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no |
| 12:50.44 | jetscreamer | i meant perl for bloot |
| 12:50.48 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: that was a sarcastic question |
| 12:51.06 | paulswm | jharrisonwk: no, there are different kinds of bot |
| 12:51.12 | jharrisonwk | paulswm: really? |
| 12:51.21 | jetscreamer | no there's not! |
| 12:51.27 | tarzeau | !bot |
| 12:51.27 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 12:51.49 | paulswm | jharrisonwk: OK, I thought you were being serious |
| 12:51.55 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 12:51.58 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:51.58 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 12:52.24 | paulswm | jharrisonwk: You're only doing it because I can't have dpkg fruitsmite you :P |
| 12:52.36 | jharrisonwk | !fruitsmite paulswm |
| 12:52.40 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 12:52.49 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: feel bubbly for tonight? |
| 12:52.57 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sure |
| 12:53.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: when is tonight? |
| 12:53.03 | tarzeau | jethro: as well? |
| 12:53.08 | resiak | paulswm: Why can't you fruitsmite? |
| 12:53.08 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: after 4 hours |
| 12:53.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no thats noonish |
| 12:53.23 | resiak | jharrisonwk: #haskell has lambdabot written in Haskell. |
| 12:53.42 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: tonight is 10 hours away |
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| 12:53.51 | paulswm | @nutsmite jharrisonwk |
| 12:53.52 | jharrisonwk | resiak: there is also supybot written in python |
| 12:53.55 | paulswm | :P |
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| 12:54.05 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmmm macadamias |
| 12:54.17 | paulswm | resiak: Becuase dpkg is ignoring me |
| 12:54.20 | resiak | jharrisonwk: And javabot written in, erm, Pascal. |
| 12:54.38 | resiak | paulswm: Did you abuse him again! I thought those nice men in white coats had told you to stop doing that. |
| 12:54.38 | jharrisonwk | yeah yeah |
| 12:54.40 | jethro | tarzeau: sure |
| 12:54.52 | paulswm | resiak: dpkg doesn't love me anymore after I told her to forget tickle in the process of fixing it |
| 12:54.56 | masoft | I added deb http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable main contrib non-free to my sources.list. now how can I remove all package list from there of my apt-cache ? |
| 12:55.00 | resiak | paulswm: Ah. |
| 12:55.13 | jharrisonwk | dogs are cool |
| 12:55.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: you as well? |
| 12:55.26 | jharrisonwk | they hump people's legs as a sign of dominance |
| 12:55.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: que ? |
| 12:55.31 | jharrisonwk | thats funny |
| 12:55.33 | tarzeau | jethro, jharrisonwk i think you guys are addicted to this stupid game? |
| 12:55.37 | paulswm | jharrisonwk: Actually, in Guerin land they are sometimes hot. |
| 12:55.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 12:55.41 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what game? |
| 12:55.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: gotta go see dali today |
| 12:56.12 | paulswm | jharrisonwk: as in "served hot" |
| 12:56.15 | incorrect | is it important to add your routes in the order you want them to happen? |
| 12:56.29 | jharrisonwk | paulswm: I am not interested in wherever Guerin is |
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| 12:56.32 | masoft | anybody can't answer me ?!?! it's really a debian question :P |
| 12:56.41 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: bigot |
| 12:56.50 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: cock sucker |
| 12:56.51 | js_ | masoft: apt-get update |
| 12:56.53 | abrotman | masoft: remove the source .. try `dpkg --forget-old-unavail` |
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| 12:57.10 | paulswm | jharrisonwk: *shrug* your snese of humor has crashed. |
| 12:57.13 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: not that there's anything wrong with that |
| 12:57.15 | paulswm | sense |
| 12:57.15 | masoft | abrotman, thx man |
| 12:57.18 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 12:57.23 | jharrisonwk | sick bastards |
| 12:57.29 | streuner | Guerin, jharrisonwk: drop that |
| 12:57.33 | Guerin | quite healthy, actually |
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| 12:57.44 | tra1a1a | !thx |
| 12:57.44 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 12:57.48 | streuner | Guerin, jharrisonwk: we have enough trouble, we dont need personal stuff too... |
| 12:57.50 | tarzeau | !man |
| 12:57.52 | dpkg | it has been said that man is a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>, or http://man.mirrorlynx.com to get online manpages, or mannotincluded.com, or a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
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| 12:57.55 | jharrisonwk | personal? |
| 12:58.00 | Guerin | streuner: yehyeh |
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| 12:58.21 | streuner | jharrisonwk: you insulting each other, what is that, personal or technical? :-P |
| 12:58.24 | jharrisonwk | I thought we were joking around |
| 12:58.30 | streuner | oh |
| 12:58.35 | paulswm | Jeez, they are just fooling around |
| 12:58.36 | streuner | execuse me then :-) |
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| 12:59.09 | paulswm | @badgersmite streuner |
| 12:59.10 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: you really are a sick bastard though |
| 12:59.11 | tra1a1a | baaah, dpkg is *_really_* bored with you guys |
| 12:59.13 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 12:59.18 | Guerin | if you go back through the logs, we have something of a tradition of this |
| 12:59.26 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: and you really are a bigoted fundie |
| 12:59.31 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:59.31 | dpkg | i guess qotd111 is <Cray2> stoned: take my advice, for GODS SAKE dont use WinME as a router |
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| 12:59.40 | wombachi | What's the best way to correct this problem: drupal depends on php4-cli to use PHP crontabs. But php4 in php4-cli has no mysql support. So I received mail every 5min saying 'Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() ' |
| 12:59.49 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: yes this is true |
| 12:59.50 | masoft | where can I start bootsplash ? |
| 13:00.01 | tarzeau | !bootsplash |
| 13:00.01 | dpkg | [bootsplash] http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf |
| 13:00.02 | wombachi | should I file a bug? Againts drupal or php4-cli? |
| 13:00.07 | Guerin | splashy! |
| 13:00.08 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: I am a right wing crazy assed fundamentalist |
| 13:00.10 | tarzeau | wombachi: checked BTS yet? |
| 13:00.27 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: probably the only one in the bahamas |
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| 13:00.35 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: hehe I doubt it |
| 13:00.37 | abrotman | wombachi: you have to install php4-mysql |
| 13:00.51 | abrotman | wombachi: and then uncomment the line for the mysql support |
| 13:00.52 | wombachi | tarzeau I'm reading it now. PS I'm using sarge (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=drupal) |
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| 13:01.07 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you are as addicted to bubbles as I |
| 13:01.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i should really get un-addicted |
| 13:01.30 | wombachi | abrotman php4-mysql is installed. |
| 13:01.35 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: how much do you play each day? |
| 13:01.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: 30 minutes? |
| 13:01.46 | abrotman | wombachi: then make sure php4-cli has mysql support .. should just need uncommented |
| 13:01.46 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: 3 hours |
| 13:01.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: oh |
| 13:01.58 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: thats more then I |
| 13:02.01 | tarzeau | paulswm: you know it's fun if you take away the fruits, and then they die, and you even take more fruits away |
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| 13:02.12 | wombachi | abrotman ok, I see. /etc/php4/cli/php.ini Thanks :) |
| 13:02.17 | abrotman | wombachi: yep |
| 13:02.25 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: ever played www.mtp-target.org ? |
| 13:02.35 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes you are a banana stealer |
| 13:02.41 | wombachi | abrotman shouldnt this be automated by the drupal package? |
| 13:02.43 | tarzeau | paulswm: and some moron dragons always pick the bad bonus items , hahah |
| 13:02.47 | tarzeau | jethro: hi :) |
| 13:03.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: who steals teh bubbles that polymorphi into ice cream? |
| 13:03.13 | abrotman | wombachi: drupal should not .. but IMO .. php4-mysql should search for both cli/apache-mod and update both .. but there may be a reason it does not |
| 13:03.28 | paulswm | tarzeau: That would be me, I fear, I can't yet move with purpose, anything I score is pretty much due to random collisions :) |
| 13:03.37 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no I have not played mtp target |
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| 13:03.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: try it! absolutely addictive :) |
| 13:03.56 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: in debian? |
| 13:04.02 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no pity not so |
| 13:04.04 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: mtp.deb? |
| 13:04.07 | jharrisonwk | :( |
| 13:04.14 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it needs libnel |
| 13:04.16 | Guerin | ok |
| 13:04.23 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: and fast 3d drivers... so i play that on windows |
| 13:04.27 | jethro | tarzeau: hi :) sorry for the delay, I was talking with my boss |
| 13:04.29 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: written in C? |
| 13:04.34 | Guerin | splashy officially installs cleanly and works on sqarge i386 |
| 13:04.40 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i think so, and c++ probably |
| 13:04.41 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have ati in linux |
| 13:04.58 | Guerin | well, officially according to me |
| 13:04.59 | wombachi | abrotman Perhaps it's related to the old/new authent. methods of mysql |
| 13:05.03 | tarzeau | jethro: she's nice to you? |
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| 13:05.21 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: libnel is in debian? |
| 13:05.28 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: neither |
| 13:05.28 | jharrisonwk | libnel.deb? |
| 13:05.35 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'd use the binary |
| 13:05.37 | jethro | tarzeau: it's a he, and yes, he's rather nice. I can get in the office very late, and leave early,he doesn't complain, as long as my job's done |
| 13:05.46 | asg | paulswm: try logging out of irc and logging in again, that should fix your dpkg interaction issues. |
| 13:05.48 | jethro | tarzeau: other than that, it's just a boss |
| 13:05.51 | jharrisonwk | fscking bunchies of shiat |
| 13:05.55 | asg | paulswm: a /cycle might also work |
| 13:06.13 | paulswm | asg: thx, I'll try |
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| 13:06.25 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://mtptarget.free.fr/download.php that one? |
| 13:06.39 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yep |
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| 13:06.51 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: check the video! fantastic!! |
| 13:06.56 | wombachi | abrotman Thanks anyway :-) |
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| 13:07.51 | jesperj | Can someone name a good and preferably easy (I would like to do rip a cd right away before leaving in an hour or so) tool for Debian to rip a CD and encode it to MP3? |
| 13:08.02 | wombachi | jesperj k3b |
| 13:08.10 | jethro | jesperj: grip |
| 13:08.12 | tarzeau | jethro: jack |
| 13:08.17 | jesperj | ty didn't lmpw k3b could do that |
| 13:08.20 | kaner | jesperj: lame |
| 13:08.22 | jesperj | haha |
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| 13:08.26 | jesperj | 4 different |
| 13:08.27 | jesperj | :) |
| 13:08.28 | jesperj | ty |
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| 13:08.44 | jethro | lame is only about encoding irrc |
| 13:08.48 | jethro | s/irrc/iirc/ |
| 13:08.54 | wombachi | jesperj of course you need some mp3 encoder first (ex lame) |
| 13:09.06 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: do you know which curl I need? |
| 13:09.10 | Lennart | jethro: and cdparanoia for ripping |
| 13:09.28 | jethro | Lennart: don't say that to me, I know that. |
| 13:09.44 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no idea |
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| 13:09.51 | Lennart | jethro: ok :) |
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| 13:09.52 | jesperj | ty |
| 13:09.53 | jharrisonwk | !find libcurl.so.2 |
| 13:09.57 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: there's #nel though |
| 13:10.04 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libcurl.so.2' returned no results. |
| 13:10.08 | jetscreamer | jethro got a new tabbuddy :/ |
| 13:10.18 | jharrisonwk | man I need the libcurl.so.2 |
| 13:10.23 | drac | !find libcurl.so |
| 13:10.29 | wombachi | jharrisonwk install libcurl2 ? |
| 13:10.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libcurl.so' (5): (/usr/lib/libcurl.so.3.0.0) in libs/libcurl3 ;; (/usr/lib/libcurl.so) in libdevel/libcurl3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libcurl.so.3.0.0.gssapi) in libs/libcurl3-gssapi ;; (/usr/lib/libcurl.so.3) in libs/libcurl3,libs/libcurl3-gssapi ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libcurl.so.3.0.0) in libdevel/libcurl3-dbg. |
| 13:10.33 | jethro | jetscreamer: hi |
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| 13:10.45 | yahalom | my adsl keeps d/c. i tried running pppoecong again and for a little while it was fine and now again the same (a little while being half a day) |
| 13:10.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: just make a symlink to the 3 one :) |
| 13:10.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes |
| 13:10.54 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: from the 3 to the 2 one even |
| 13:10.54 | yahalom | pppoeconf i mean |
| 13:11.08 | writerase | hi, what's the simplest way to rename a package ? |
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| 13:11.16 | jetscreamer | try the mtu at 1400 maybe |
| 13:11.25 | tell | how do i clean up virtual memory? |
| 13:11.29 | yahalom | jetscreamer, u mean me? |
| 13:11.34 | Guerin | tell: ignore it |
| 13:11.38 | yahalom | jetscreamer, how do i change that? |
| 13:11.42 | tarzeau | writerase: binary or source? |
| 13:11.52 | wombachi | yahalom ifconfig eth0 mtu 1400 (as root) |
| 13:11.53 | tell | Guerin, ok |
| 13:11.53 | jetscreamer | yeah. i only say that because aol likes it. not sure how you would change it. |
| 13:11.54 | tarzeau | writerase: in the source package |
| 13:12.11 | jesperj | for lame is toolame the deb to get? |
| 13:12.19 | tarzeau | jethro: no, get lame, the source |
| 13:12.21 | writerase | tarzeau, i did a apt-src install cfengine2 , then i patched it, and now i'd like to build a "customed-cfengine2.deb" |
| 13:12.29 | tarzeau | jethro: remove the broken doc build thingy and build it using debuild |
| 13:12.37 | jetscreamer | !lame |
| 13:12.37 | dpkg | methinks lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 13:12.44 | jm_ | writerase: you should just change its version then, not rename it |
| 13:12.46 | tarzeau | writerase: use debuild after doing your changes, see debian/control |
| 13:12.59 | jesperj | !marrilat |
| 13:13.07 | jesperj | !marillat |
| 13:13.07 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 13:13.07 | jethro | tarzeau: tell jesperj about this, not me :p |
| 13:13.08 | yahalom | wombachi, what exactly does that do? |
| 13:13.11 | writerase | thx |
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| 13:13.16 | jesperj | I saw it ;) |
| 13:13.31 | jetscreamer | but your client didn't beep |
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| 13:13.36 | tarzeau | jethro: sorry |
| 13:13.47 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: yours beeps? |
| 13:13.55 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: ibm pc speaker ? |
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| 13:14.44 | jharrisonwk | brb |
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| 13:15.16 | J_P | people, for run debian in one 64 bits machine, what is better for debian sarge ? ia64 or amd64 ? |
| 13:15.30 | asg | J_P: #debian-amd64 |
| 13:15.44 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: no, but i was in windows running chatzilla and the damn thing beeped. (i substituted beep for highlighting/flashing/(and beep)) |
| 13:15.47 | J_P | asg: thanks |
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| 13:16.03 | jm_ | J_P: I don't think IA64 release will work on AMD64 hardware ... |
| 13:16.09 | wombachi | define the MTU to 1400 on eth0 (first Ethernet Network card) |
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| 13:16.38 | jetscreamer | i don't have pcspeaker module loaded |
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| 13:16.40 | paulswm | !test |
| 13:16.41 | wombachi | yahalom mtu = maximum transport unit |
| 13:16.53 | paulswm | asg: :( |
| 13:16.56 | jetscreamer | !say you're not worthy paulswm |
| 13:16.57 | dpkg | you're not worthy paulswm |
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| 13:17.14 | paulswm | @nutsmite jetscreamer |
| 13:17.17 | tra1a1a | paulswm: poor bastard |
| 13:17.19 | J_P | jm_: I not understand, why have release sarge to ia64 and not to amd64 ? |
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| 13:17.36 | useruser | how does one convert an ubuntu machine into a debian sid machine? |
| 13:17.52 | Guerin | useruser: one formats the drive and reinstalls. |
| 13:17.54 | yahalom_ | ok decresing mtu d/c so i tried disabling limiting the mtu, should that do it? |
| 13:17.55 | jethro | useruser: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 13:17.57 | tra1a1a | J_P: because there wasn't enough people helping the project. Did you help? |
| 13:18.05 | useruser | Guerin: hm. no apt-get dist-upgrade then? |
| 13:18.10 | Guerin | useruser: no. |
| 13:18.10 | jethro | useruser: then /msg dpkg sarge->sid |
| 13:18.10 | paulswm | useruser: install sarge, upgrade to sid |
| 13:18.14 | jetscreamer | or, just change the sources and wait for sid to catch up |
| 13:18.19 | Guerin | no |
| 13:18.19 | jm_ | J_P: becase it wasn't ready in time |
| 13:18.21 | J_P | tra1a1a: yeh.. |
| 13:18.23 | jethro | jetscreamer: NO! |
| 13:18.26 | jetscreamer | why nbot |
| 13:18.33 | paulswm | useruser: No because ubuntu is *not* a debian distro |
| 13:18.36 | jethro | because you have an ubuntu install, not a debian install |
| 13:18.40 | Guerin | jethro: sid will never be the same as ubuntu, and the upgrade will never be clean |
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| 13:18.48 | Guerin | meh |
| 13:18.49 | jetscreamer | yeah jethro! |
| 13:18.51 | J_P | jm_: i see more people in #debian-amd64 channel than #debian-ia64! |
| 13:18.55 | Guerin | jetscreamer: ^^^ |
| 13:19.10 | jm_ | J_P: yes, but IA64 architecture is older |
| 13:19.15 | jetscreamer | well i only tried that with sid->sarge |
| 13:19.19 | Guerin | my nickcomplete is 3 characters and tab... it breaks when people have stupid matching nicks |
| 13:19.19 | jethro | jetscreamer: you could in theory do what you said, but installing sarge and dist-upgrading is much nicer |
| 13:19.26 | jetscreamer | but i have a spare partition... :) |
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| 13:19.46 | J_P | jm_: ohh!! I was think amd64 architecture is more old than ia64! |
| 13:20.35 | tra1a1a | j_p: do you know wikipedia? It will most probably have good description of both ia64 and amd64 |
| 13:20.37 | jm_ | J_P: IA64 is for Itanium CPU-s, not for new Pentiums with 64-bit stuff added |
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| 13:22.07 | tra1a1a | Guerin: did you try <tab><tab> in such a situation? |
| 13:22.18 | J_P | tra1a1a: ok |
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| 13:23.15 | Guerin | tra1a1a: why should I? single tab works 99% of the time, souble tab would work less than 1% |
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| 13:23.40 | Guerin | tra1a1a: i mean, I could READ what's there... but it's much easier to just be on autopilot |
| 13:24.07 | tra1a1a | Guerin: yeah, tell me about it... |
| 13:24.26 | jetscreamer | damn you look like a lazy windows user |
| 13:25.12 | tra1a1a | jetscreamer: we owe the progress to the lazy people, you know... |
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| 13:25.33 | jetscreamer | i used to hate gui when win95 came out |
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| 13:26.38 | jetscreamer | i still do but in a 'i use it exclusively' fashion |
| 13:26.50 | paulswm | I'd be screwed without tab complete, my spelling si teh lose |
| 13:27.03 | Phated | paulswm: leh. ;) |
| 13:27.10 | sneex | is there a chop here ? |
| 13:27.12 | paulswm | Phated: :) |
| 13:27.17 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 13:27.18 | Phated | paulswm: IE, "my spelling the very bad leh". |
| 13:27.20 | jetscreamer | chop? |
| 13:27.23 | paulswm | Pork chop? LEMME AT IT |
| 13:27.25 | sneex | channel operator |
| 13:27.27 | jetscreamer | !chop sneex |
| 13:27.28 | jetscreamer | o |
| 13:27.30 | sneex | lol |
| 13:27.33 | Phated | ... CHANOP. |
| 13:27.43 | sneex | i like pork chops |
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| 13:27.48 | jetscreamer | there's a couple, they may still be drunk though |
| 13:27.51 | sneex | is there a chanop then ? |
| 13:27.52 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 13:27.54 | sneex | k |
| 13:28.02 | tra1a1a | wtf is leh? |
| 13:28.05 | Phated | paulswm: Noooo, your heat! |
| 13:28.06 | asg | sneex: it's Sunday, there are few ops around |
| 13:28.10 | jetscreamer | furrin lang |
| 13:28.12 | Phated | heart. |
| 13:28.13 | paulswm | tra1a1a: Singlish |
| 13:28.21 | sneex | o |
| 13:28.50 | jetscreamer | if it's a matter of life or death, hope you have burial insurance.. :/ |
| 13:28.57 | sneex | nope |
| 13:29.05 | tra1a1a | paulswm: errr... say again? |
| 13:29.05 | sneex | nickserv is harrassing me |
| 13:29.10 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 13:29.13 | asg | sneex: in what way? |
| 13:29.19 | jetscreamer | how so.. btw you want #freenode |
| 13:29.23 | sneex | registered id and forgotten pw |
| 13:29.28 | sneex | k |
| 13:29.29 | sneex | thx |
| 13:29.30 | sneex | =) |
| 13:29.38 | ethics | la~ |
| 13:29.42 | paulswm | Phated: Ha? Waaah, just one, I will lurf you |
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| 13:29.43 | jetscreamer | you'll have to wait for voice, but read the topic |
| 13:29.45 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:29.45 | dpkg | <greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes. |
| 13:29.53 | Phated | paulswm: Hah? |
| 13:30.06 | sneex | 2ff |
| 13:30.13 | jetscreamer | so-lar-is.. or so-lare-is |
| 13:30.17 | sneex | freenode I got no voice and no way to cryabout it |
| 13:30.20 | sneex | lol |
| 13:30.23 | paulswm | Phated: Hah? == What? I think |
| 13:30.25 | tra1a1a | !lol |
| 13:30.25 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 13:30.26 | jetscreamer | like i said, read the topic |
| 13:30.30 | tarzeau | sneex: /msg nickserv help |
| 13:30.31 | Phated | paulswm: It is. |
| 13:30.48 | tarzeau | !hehstats |
| 13:30.49 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 19873 |
| 13:30.52 | paulswm | Phated: OK, then s/Hah?// if that's better :) |
| 13:30.57 | jetscreamer | sneex: it took me only 45minutes to get voiced |
| 13:31.00 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 13:31.01 | Phated | paulswm: Heh. |
| 13:31.04 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 13:31.15 | paulswm | !test |
| 13:31.17 | sneex | woot |
| 13:31.18 | Guerin | my irclog goes all the way back to when g4lt was here |
| 13:31.19 | sneex | msg rox |
| 13:31.20 | paulswm | :( |
| 13:31.23 | Phated | Guerin: ... |
| 13:31.28 | Guerin | no wonder it's 84MB |
| 13:31.28 | jetscreamer | i see you read the topic |
| 13:31.35 | sneex | lol - I hope to get +v sooner |
| 13:31.41 | sneex | yes ty |
| 13:31.44 | asg | Guerin: whatever happened to him |
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| 13:31.47 | Phated | g4lt... Man, even I remember that as a long time ago. |
| 13:31.55 | Phated | Kicked or banned, probably. :) |
| 13:31.56 | ethics | Guerin...just filter out the bots....theres 60 percent of the logs gone hehe |
| 13:32.05 | asg | Phated: thought he was freenode staff |
| 13:32.16 | Phated | Was he. No idea. |
| 13:32.23 | abrotman | wombachi: still not working ? |
| 13:32.27 | Phated | Myabe he kicked or banned someone else. :) |
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| 13:32.45 | asg | !seen g4lt |
| 13:32.45 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 235d 12h 56m 3s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 13:32.46 | paulswm | Guerin: And filter the assholes and there's another 20% gone :) |
| 13:32.56 | sneex | OK, let me ask this -- which staffer is safe to msg without being erased from eternity |
| 13:32.57 | sneex | lol |
| 13:32.58 | Phated | s/2/7/ |
| 13:33.05 | tarzeau | !seen sussudio |
| 13:33.05 | dpkg | sussudio <suss@sussudio.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 16h 18m 2s ago, saying: 'Gnea: there is nothing there.'. |
| 13:33.08 | Phated | lilo is decent. |
| 13:33.09 | paulswm | Of course you have to know the assholes' nicks, and I'm not sayin' |
| 13:33.22 | asg | I'm one of them |
| 13:33.29 | tarzeau | who is logging the channel, to do the !debstats when sussudio isn't there? |
| 13:33.30 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 13:33.30 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
| 13:33.37 | Phated | Piggy is. |
| 13:33.41 | abrotman | Piggy: bark! |
| 13:33.50 | paulswm | @hug asg |
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| 13:34.13 | ethics | Guerin then filter yourself coz you already know what you say...that leaves 6 mb of people entering and leaving and that weird conversation with furrywolf about the female wolf girls |
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| 13:34.45 | Phated | Maybe that's his thing. It's all right to objectify female wolves, just not women! |
| 13:34.53 | paulswm | Unless furryw. falls into another already filtered category of course |
| 13:35.01 | reagent | does the 'gateway' entry in /etc/network/interfaces trigger /sbin/route ? |
| 13:35.06 | jethro | paulswm: what do you have in mind? :) |
| 13:35.17 | asg | reagent: yes |
| 13:35.20 | paulswm | jethro: Like I said, I'm not sayin' :P |
| 13:35.26 | jethro | :) |
| 13:35.55 | reagent | asg: What do I have to do if I want to use ip? Is there another way than using up-statements? |
| 13:36.01 | asg | reagent: but only for the default route. If you need other static routes, use pre-up or up. |
| 13:36.03 | ethics | ohh and root has landed must take up some percentage or is that a bot? |
| 13:36.30 | paulswm | Heh, "female wolf girls", like there'd be "male wolf girls", or maybe the conversation was weirder than I'm assuming. |
| 13:36.30 | asg | ethics: a bot, our friendly schizo apt |
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| 13:36.46 | asg | paulswm: with furrywolf, anything is possible. |
| 13:36.50 | reagent | asg: I need source ip based routing actually... so I guess I have to use up ip route... several times instead of gateway |
| 13:36.53 | ethics | asg oh the dyslexic bot with tauretts? |
| 13:36.58 | asg | reagent: yes |
| 13:37.05 | reagent | ok, thank you |
| 13:37.12 | asg | ethics: right, it went nutty a few years back and never got fixed. |
| 13:37.28 | paulswm | Wow, sounds like my ex |
| 13:37.34 | ethics | and ravenbird is also a bot ...whos job is fucking? |
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| 13:38.04 | asg | ethics: ravenbird is our friendly canadian bot; simonrvn is working on the teledildonics interface as we speak. |
| 13:38.12 | paulswm | @veggiesmite ethics |
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| 13:38.42 | paulswm | ravenbird still luvs me so there, dpkg |
| 13:38.43 | ravenbird | paulswm: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:38.52 | ethics | LOL!! |
| 13:39.01 | paulswm | jetscreamer: I was aware, of course |
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| 13:39.11 | jetscreamer | yeah but did you actively remember |
| 13:39.16 | sneex | you were right, lilo was very nice =) |
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| 13:39.20 | tra1a1a | do all the bots share the same db? |
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| 13:39.32 | daft | wich /etc/rc?.d/ is used by debian normaly? |
| 13:39.32 | paulswm | jetscreamer: first thing I did was list ravenbird's stuff :) |
| 13:39.33 | jetscreamer | tra1a1a: apt's is different |
| 13:39.34 | sneex | thanks again =) |
| 13:39.36 | asg | tra1a1a: they are sometimes sync'd but not by default. |
| 13:39.47 | ethics | daft 5 i think |
| 13:39.55 | tra1a1a | I see. |
| 13:39.55 | paulswm | jetscreamer: yes, I use ravenbird occasionally |
| 13:39.55 | jetscreamer | apt uses pysql-lite or whatever it is |
| 13:40.00 | ethics | daft...the one your in 8) |
| 13:40.13 | jetscreamer | yeah lilo's a cool guy |
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| 13:40.44 | PeTeRB | daft: The one you have in /etc/inittab as the default one |
| 13:41.07 | c01100011 | msg dpkg wwsr |
| 13:41.08 | daft | AAA ty PeTeRB and ethics for the fun :) |
| 13:41.11 | asg | daft: 2 is the default unless you changed it in /etc/inittab |
| 13:41.49 | daft | its 2 ... nm :) |
| 13:42.13 | ethics | bah mines 5 for myth and 2 for desktop mode hehe...not that i use em hehe |
| 13:42.29 | abrotman | ethics: you're so wrong |
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| 13:42.38 | abrotman | debian uses 2 by default |
| 13:42.43 | paulswm | bot ravenbird's a bit short on qotds, though |
| 13:42.49 | writerase | tarzeau, changing the name of the package in debian/control is not enough, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot tells me " dpkg-gencontrol: error: package old_name not in control info" |
| 13:43.02 | theD3viL | Can i play windows media player formats in some player in debian ?? |
| 13:43.13 | asg | theD3viL: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 13:43.18 | theD3viL | k tnx |
| 13:43.27 | abrotman | or get the win32 codecs for use with xine |
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| 13:44.57 | Teemu_K | 7ban *!*root@* |
| 13:45.23 | asg | Teemu_K: they are de-voiced and notified by the bot about ircing as root |
| 13:45.25 | theD3viL | asg: orange - extracts CAB files from self-extracting installers |
| 13:45.25 | theD3viL | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.35 | asg | theD3viL: no, mplayer is what you want |
| 13:45.37 | abrotman | that is mplayer ? |
| 13:45.40 | asg | theD3viL: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 13:45.44 | theD3viL | k tnx :) |
| 13:45.45 | abrotman | !tell theD3viL about mplayer |
| 13:45.46 | Teemu_K | :> |
| 13:45.47 | abrotman | !tell theD3viL about marillat |
| 13:46.40 | tra1a1a | !tnx |
| 13:46.40 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
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| 13:48.05 | incorrect | to use iproute i need advanced linux router compiled into my kernel? |
| 13:48.35 | asg | incorrect: what does lartc.org say? |
| 13:49.29 | sneex | ok |
| 13:49.37 | incorrect | didnt see a section on kernel options |
| 13:49.39 | sneex | i think Im set until I forget again |
| 13:49.41 | c01100011 | is there a chance of getting x.org in sid before sarge is released now ? |
| 13:49.52 | jethro | c01100011: no |
| 13:49.53 | abrotman | c01100011: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 13:49.55 | Martin_- | anyone here who can help me , i have an server with intel raid controller ' srcs16 ' and when i try to install with the debian installer it hangs on loading the module ' megaraid' , anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 13:50.05 | jethro | !anyone |
| 13:50.05 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:50.22 | sneex | ouch |
| 13:50.25 | asg | incorrect: section 3.3 (prerequisites) |
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| 13:52.01 | incorrect | asg, have you read that page? |
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| 13:52.43 | tra1a1a | incorrect: don't you get it? The answer is we don't know. Try it and you shall see. |
| 13:52.49 | asg | incorrect: yes |
| 13:53.18 | joris_ | I removed an extra repository from my sources.list, but the deleted repository overwrote some packages -> Is there an easy way to reinstall the 'original' packages? |
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| 13:53.38 | amorphix | hi |
| 13:53.40 | asg | incorrect: you might also look at /usr/share/doc/iproute/* |
| 13:54.07 | asg | joris_: find out which are the bumb packages, remove them, install real debian ones |
| 13:54.12 | alex1 | hi |
| 13:54.43 | joris_ | asg: that's what I tought, but unfortunately some of them are very deep in the dependency hell |
| 13:55.10 | amorphix | anyone had any luck setting up a wacom serial pad in 2.6.11? |
| 13:55.18 | tra1a1a | !anyone |
| 13:55.18 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:56.01 | asg | joris_: you might try forcing a --reinstall |
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| 13:56.14 | asg | joris_: or those packages, that is, not the whole system |
| 13:56.21 | amorphix | just for tralala: has any one user in #debian had any luck setting up a wacom serial pad in 2.6.11 |
| 13:56.37 | joris_ | asg: that's what I'm doing now, but the dependency problems are forcing me to do every package manually |
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| 13:57.01 | asg | joris_: well, that might be the only way to do it really since you overwrote official packages with non-official ones. |
| 13:57.21 | joris_ | asg: that's what I feared for :/ |
| 13:57.32 | tra1a1a | amorphix: did you have any luck googling for it? |
| 13:57.38 | abrotman | self-imposed dependency hell |
| 13:57.53 | amorphix | i found a few links but nothing really that helped in my own setup |
| 13:58.30 | jetscreamer | cd /var/cache/apt/archives dpkg -i --force-overwrite * :o |
| 13:58.32 | joris_ | abrotman: well, where 'self' is 'team', and where 'team' equals to 'team-member-currently-unavailable', yes |
| 13:58.36 | amorphix | i just cant get the device to be detected, even from the shell so im wondering if it is perhaps something more fundamental than just a driver problem |
| 13:59.22 | tra1a1a | jetscreamer: easily - rm / -rf |
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| 13:59.34 | abrotman | joris_: equals .. member needs a new job ? |
| 14:00.07 | joris_ | abrotman: no, I will get the blame if this thing doesn't work in a few hours |
| 14:00.07 | tra1a1a | but that's too trivial. A more elagant solution would be cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda |
| 14:00.12 | amorphix | my XF86 log is full of these: |
| 14:00.17 | amorphix | Wacom unable to read first byte of request '~#' answer after 3 tries |
| 14:00.31 | abrotman | teach it how to read |
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| 14:00.40 | xLobeznox | hi |
| 14:00.47 | paulswm | @nutsmite abrotman |
| 14:01.10 | xLobeznox | I compiled a external module for quickcam logitech, I installed it and made depmod -ae but modprobe can't find the module, what I need to do? |
| 14:01.14 | amorphix | any attempt to test the device comms from shell just gives: |
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| 14:01.17 | amorphix | WacomOpenTablet: Connection timed out |
| 14:01.29 | xLobeznox | create an alias? |
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| 14:01.52 | tra1a1a | amorphix: did you google any of these error messages? |
| 14:01.55 | Dict_02x | hi all |
| 14:01.58 | amorphix | yup all of em |
| 14:02.10 | Dict_02x | how do I install a new kernel for my system with apt-get ?? |
| 14:02.11 | jethro | tra1a1a: also dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda is elegant and less trivial |
| 14:02.22 | amorphix | alas nothing turned up relevant |
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| 14:03.12 | jetscreamer | no that's not broke that cleansed. |
| 14:03.24 | tra1a1a | amorphix: is this shit using binary drivers from the manifacturer? |
| 14:03.54 | tra1a1a | jethro: yeah, it could do the job |
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| 14:04.00 | jethro | :) |
| 14:04.09 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 14:04.26 | amorphix | tralala: no, theres no drivers available from manufacturer, they are provided as source code in deb package from a project which maintains them |
| 14:04.29 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: apt-cache search '^kernel-image' and then pick amongst these according to what version/processor type you need. |
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| 14:04.55 | tra1a1a | amorphix: does it run with 2.6.8? |
| 14:05.16 | amorphix | no luck :-/ tried all kernels from 2.4.18 up to the latest |
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| 14:05.58 | amorphix | I'm probably doing it completely wrong and not compiling the kernels right for driver support |
| 14:06.16 | amorphix | ive followed the howto tho |
| 14:06.50 | amorphix | when i do a make on my kernel source i get the following tho: |
| 14:06.54 | amorphix | *** Warning: "pcibios_set_irq_routing" [drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko] undefined! |
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| 14:07.05 | dim | hi there ! |
| 14:07.08 | amorphix | this wouldnt affect my serial port tho would it? |
| 14:07.12 | dim | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308822 |
| 14:07.12 | amorphix | hi dim |
| 14:07.21 | dim | i've received a debconf i18n po file |
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| 14:07.30 | NP_complete | hi all |
| 14:07.31 | tra1a1a | amorphix: you don't need to compile the kernel to get an external driver compiled |
| 14:07.36 | dim | how to integrate it prperly within my package ? |
| 14:07.47 | tra1a1a | try to compile only the driver against the standard kernel |
| 14:07.48 | amorphix | tralala: oh |
| 14:07.49 | abrotman | dim: #debian-mentor or mentors . whatever it is |
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| 14:08.08 | NP_complete | How to stop my X to start when i boot my machine? |
| 14:08.11 | abrotman | poor damog would be so upset :) |
| 14:08.15 | asg | NP_complete: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 14:08.17 | abrotman | !tell NP_complete about nodm |
| 14:08.18 | amorphix | tralala: how does the kernel know where the driver is and to load it? |
| 14:08.51 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, Can I find a version that does not need to be compiled ? |
| 14:09.11 | tra1a1a | amorphix: no, that's not important in your case. The important thing is how to compile the module without recompiling the kernel. |
| 14:09.23 | amorphix | ok understood |
| 14:09.24 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: all of the kernel-image files don't need to be compiled, kernel-source* is what needs compiling |
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| 14:10.02 | dim | abrotman: thx |
| 14:10.12 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, ok.... I have an Intel Celeron M (Laptop) which should I choose? |
| 14:10.28 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: pick one that's -686 |
| 14:10.30 | abrotman | -686 |
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| 14:10.43 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: GMTA |
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| 14:11.00 | abrotman | no? |
| 14:11.04 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, what does SMP means? |
| 14:11.10 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, Symmetric Multi Processing ? |
| 14:11.12 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:11.16 | amorphix | tralala: when i try to build just the module driver i get the following: |
| 14:11.16 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: if you need to ask you don't need it. |
| 14:11.20 | amorphix | ***Note: Drivers not enabled as modules in your kernel config but requested through configure are NOT built |
| 14:11.24 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: correct |
| 14:11.28 | portahex | symmetric multi processing is one definition |
| 14:11.37 | abrotman | !tell Dict_02x about smp |
| 14:11.56 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, so, I can choose this : kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP. |
| 14:12.21 | abrotman | Dict_02x: do you have two cpus ? |
| 14:12.23 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: don't choose the SMP one unless you need it, it will slow down non-SMP systems |
| 14:12.28 | linuxbomb | hey any ldap people in here? I'm running an ldap server but when a client is logged in as root they can su into any ldap user i was wondering if there was a way to prevent this |
| 14:12.29 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: only barely |
| 14:12.36 | abrotman | linuxbomb: #openldap |
| 14:12.46 | Dict_02x | abrotman, ok.. I just jave one cpu... so I dont need smp.. |
| 14:12.47 | jethro | abrotman: that's #ldap |
| 14:12.51 | abrotman | linuxbomb: oh .. that has nothing to do with ldap |
| 14:13.05 | linuxbomb | pam |
| 14:13.05 | masoft | SMP and SMT needed for CPUs support hyperthreding |
| 14:13.06 | abrotman | Dict_02x: so use just -686 . not -686-smp |
| 14:13.07 | linuxbomb | ? |
| 14:13.08 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: true, but as long as you're hand-picking your kernel you might as well pick the fastest. |
| 14:13.12 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, the thing is I have a problem compiling one package for my video card... and I dont have the kernel headers... |
| 14:13.14 | asg | linuxbomb: root can su to any user, this isn't an ldap issue |
| 14:13.28 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: -image won't give you the headers |
| 14:13.29 | qpee | which device could i use if my printer (usb) is attached to a hub and dmesg tells me : usb 1-2.2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6 ? i mean what does ad. 6 tell me in terms of |
| 14:13.33 | portahex | Dict_02x, let me guess, you have a -1- kernel installed? |
| 14:13.35 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, I want to apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` and it does not find it |
| 14:13.35 | qpee | devices. /dev/usb/lp0 doesn't work |
| 14:13.39 | abrotman | jethro: you sure ? |
| 14:13.46 | linuxbomb | asg it should be because these users arent in the local pam database |
| 14:13.49 | abrotman | !win jethro |
| 14:13.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, jethro! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 14:13.51 | jethro | abrotman: 101%, I used to idle there |
| 14:13.53 | Dict_02x | portahex, 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 14:14.01 | amorphix | tralala: I also get the following msg when i do a .configure on the module source build: |
| 14:14.05 | tra1a1a | !tell amorphix about module-assistant |
| 14:14.06 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.08 | portahex | Dict_02x, you need any -2- kernel |
| 14:14.15 | abrotman | amorphix: xlibs-deb |
| 14:14.18 | asg | linuxbomb: but you are using libpam-ldap also right? |
| 14:14.23 | amorphix | i have xlibs-dev installed |
| 14:14.26 | jethro | abrotman: I m on a contract with an ldap side so had to find a few ldap ressources :p |
| 14:14.26 | abrotman | or kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 14:14.30 | amorphix | and all of the build environment |
| 14:14.30 | Dict_02x | portahex, what? |
| 14:14.33 | portahex | someone make a factoid abot -1- kernels |
| 14:14.34 | portahex | gah |
| 14:14.35 | abrotman | jethro: ah .. gotcha |
| 14:14.41 | linuxbomb | asg yes |
| 14:14.49 | portahex | -1- kernels are unsupported and insecure. all sarge kernels have -2- in their names |
| 14:14.54 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, where can I find the kernel-headers for my 2.4.27-1-386 kernel ?? |
| 14:14.58 | portahex | if you have a -1- kernel in sarge, update it. |
| 14:14.59 | abrotman | jethro: i made one in my office .. but it's totally open . but noone uses it anyway |
| 14:15.10 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: you need to update your kernel, then get its matching header files |
| 14:15.12 | masoft | If I add reiserfs in kernel (instead of Modular mode), do I need initrd ? |
| 14:15.26 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, do you think for my system I can have a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 14:15.28 | jethro | abrotman: you need different security settings depending on what you use the LDAP for |
| 14:15.29 | abrotman | masoft: if you're asking a question like that ... why are you building a kernel ? |
| 14:15.30 | portahex | Dict_02x, 2.4.27-1-386 is insecure and unsupported. there are headers for 2.4.27-2-386 available if you update to 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 14:15.34 | amorphix | module-assistant is already the newest version. |
| 14:15.34 | amorphix | kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 is already the newest version. |
| 14:15.34 | amorphix | build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 14:15.39 | abrotman | jethro: yeah .. this is for a fax server address book |
| 14:15.45 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 14:15.49 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: I'd reccomend getting 2.4 so at least you can avoid making any mistakes |
| 14:15.54 | asg | linuxbomb: do your users currently need to su? if not, check pam_wheel and remove pam_ldap from the /etc/pam.d/su file. |
| 14:16.02 | jethro | abrotman: not as worrying as a central authentication db for ~3k servers :) |
| 14:16.06 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, how can I update my kernel with apt-get |
| 14:16.10 | abrotman | jethro: erm .. no :) |
| 14:16.15 | masoft | abrotman, everything has a reason of course, but it's not your bes. ! |
| 14:16.23 | portahex | Dict_02x, what CPU do you have? |
| 14:16.24 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, apt-get install kernel-2.4.27-2-386 ?? |
| 14:16.24 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: simply apt-get the proper kernel version. |
| 14:16.33 | abrotman | masoft: business ? |
| 14:16.33 | MobyTurbo | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 14:16.36 | abrotman | wtf is bes ? |
| 14:16.39 | abrotman | i know about bessy is |
| 14:16.41 | Dict_02x | portahex, I have a Dell Inspiron 1200,... Intel Celeron M @ 1.3 Ghz |
| 14:16.42 | abrotman | err |
| 14:16.44 | linuxbomb | asg get rid of su? |
| 14:16.46 | portahex | Dict_02x, apt-get install 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 14:16.47 | tra1a1a | amorphix: anyway, try to fix the problem and use the module-assistant way of building the driver. It could work or not - just an idea. |
| 14:16.59 | abrotman | masoft: then ask #kernel .. debian packages kernels for you .. either use those . or ask #kernel |
| 14:17.08 | amorphix | ok i will try |
| 14:17.21 | jethro | linuxbomb: /j #ldap and ask there. you can either tweak pam to forbid the local root su'ing to ldap accounts |
| 14:17.23 | asg | linuxbomb: no, just remove the ldap pam module for su and use pam_wheel to give certain users (in a certain group of your definition) the ability to su. |
| 14:17.32 | masoft | abrotman, I did ! |
| 14:17.37 | abrotman | did what ? |
| 14:17.42 | jethro | linuxbomb: or find another solution I can't think of |
| 14:17.44 | Dict_02x | portahex, E: Couldn't find package kernel-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 14:17.46 | dim | have a nice day ! |
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| 14:17.54 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: kernel-image |
| 14:17.59 | masoft | abrotman, I asked there ! |
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| 14:18.07 | abrotman | masoft: so you're asking here why ? |
| 14:18.19 | linuxbomb | asg that still doesn't prevent some clown from bringing in a laptop ,run as root and su to any user does it? |
| 14:18.21 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, this one: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 14:18.22 | portahex | bah. kernel-image. |
| 14:18.34 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: yes |
| 14:18.35 | portahex | Dict_02x, yes. |
| 14:18.42 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, portahex thanks |
| 14:18.44 | jethro | linuxbomb: don't use anonymous binds on your ldap, and have every host authenticate with a given bind |
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| 14:18.58 | jethro | linuxbomb: that way, you can't have a rogue computer screw with your ldap database |
| 14:18.59 | mtnman | abrotman: only problem with asking in #kernel (or #kernel-newbies) is that they won't tell you the debian way (tm) |
| 14:19.14 | asg | linuxbomb: well, that clown would have to have a compliant pam ldap setup, connect to your ldap server, etc. If it's a problem, just make sure not to use anonymous binds (and keep the password secret) |
| 14:19.22 | masoft | abrotman, because nobody answers that ! |
| 14:19.23 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, portahex do you think that with a 2.6 kernel I have more performance on my laptop? |
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| 14:19.28 | jethro | linuxbomb: idealy you have a different bind for each system, or you can use ssl certificates |
| 14:19.32 | tra1a1a | !they don't know |
| 14:19.32 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 14:19.37 | abrotman | mtnman: on whether he needs to use initrd if he compiles reiser into the kernel ? |
| 14:19.46 | MobyTurbo | Dict_02x: probably not enough to notice. |
| 14:19.58 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, but with the 2.4 is just fine right? |
| 14:19.59 | abrotman | mtnman: he apparently doesn't like the debian way anyway .. does it relaly matter if he uses kernel-package or not ? |
| 14:19.59 | portahex | Dict_02x, performance? maybe. i'd consider a 2.6 kernel for the power saving features, though |
| 14:20.12 | linuxbomb | ok thanks debian guys |
| 14:20.16 | Dict_02x | portahex, yes... because my 2.4 kernel does not have ACPI ..... |
| 14:20.20 | mtnman | abrotman: sorry, thought he asked about compiling. |
| 14:20.25 | Dict_02x | portahex, 2.4.x has ACPI support ? |
| 14:20.38 | portahex | Dict_02x, thaqt said, if your celeron is dothan-based rather than banias-based, you'd need to patch your kernel |
| 14:20.41 | abrotman | mtnman: in a round-about way .. i suppose he did .. but i'm not sure he's that far yet |
| 14:20.42 | portahex | Dict_02x, i don't do 2.4 |
| 14:20.59 | jethro | !irritate tra1a1a |
| 14:20.59 | dpkg | tra1a1a: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses dvd kk |
| 14:21.00 | LoneTech | it has broken acpi support, like everything else. it's rare for acpi to function completely. |
| 14:21.12 | Dict_02x | portahex, so, for my ACPI stuff.. I'd better install a 2.6 kernel.... what do you think? |
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| 14:21.14 | tra1a1a | jethro: :) |
| 14:21.20 | jethro | :p |
| 14:21.26 | portahex | Dict_02x, there's more to power saving than acpi |
| 14:21.36 | tra1a1a | my favourite :) |
| 14:21.42 | portahex | LoneTech, everything acpi related and beyond works great on this laptop |
| 14:22.01 | Dict_02x | portahex, so, for my laptop and its power saving... what kernel you recommend for my situation ? |
| 14:22.11 | tra1a1a | no, on a second thought my favourite is warez 4 debina |
| 14:22.23 | Dict_02x | portahex, a 2.6.x ? |
| 14:22.31 | egg | 2.4.x |
| 14:22.37 | egg | because... |
| 14:22.46 | portahex | Dict_02x, 2.6 definitely, but i suspect you'd need to patch speedstep-centrino |
| 14:23.01 | Dict_02x | portahex, ok...... how do I patch it? |
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| 14:23.51 | portahex | Dict_02x, with difficulty, if you need to ask the question |
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| 14:23.56 | neoXite | what would be the best method to create a redundant squid cluster with debian? |
| 14:23.58 | portahex | i don't *know* whether you need to apply any patches, i don't know whether your cpu is banias or dothan |
| 14:24.15 | neoXite | so if one squid machine dies, the other one does its job? |
| 14:24.17 | S4nD3r_ | which packages should I install to my modem works ???? |
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| 14:24.24 | MobyTurbo | portahex: he's having a hard time knowing what kernel image to apt-get, I don't think patching is for him just yet. |
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| 14:24.31 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:24.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:24.43 | Dict_02x | portahex, so there is a patch for the 2.6.x to fit on the Centrino tech.. can it be installed through apt-get or manually ? |
| 14:25.09 | portahex | Dict_02x, centrino tech doesn't exist, centrino is a label for a number of intel pieces in a single laptop |
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| 14:25.49 | portahex | Dict_02x, 2.6 kernels support most centrino tech. on debian, for wireless you need to use module-assistant, and the cpu frequency slacing ONLY works on banias-core processors |
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| 14:25.53 | portahex | not the modern dotha-core ones |
| 14:25.56 | portahex | *dothan |
| 14:26.03 | asg | neoXite: round robin dns (easy but not foolproof without manual intervention) to linux virtual server (http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/) |
| 14:26.13 | asg | !tell sepen about away |
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| 14:26.48 | Dict_02x | portahex, I dont understood completely what you said... can you be more simple-explained ? :) |
| 14:26.55 | jethro | asg: I don't think sepen really cares. it's been like 4 times one tells him |
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| 14:27.12 | portahex | jesus mary & joseph ¬_¬ |
| 14:27.23 | Dict_02x | MobyTurbo, how do I know if my processor is banias-core ? |
| 14:27.27 | portahex | Dict_02x, open a terminal. type "lspci" |
| 14:27.31 | asg | jethro: it's the principle of the thing |
| 14:27.46 | J_P | what need for amd64 are official in debian ? |
| 14:27.50 | portahex | Dict_02x, do you see a bunch of stuff talk about ICH5 or ICH6? |
| 14:27.53 | S4nD3r_ | 0000:00:08.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics V.92 56K WinModem (rev 02) |
| 14:27.56 | asg | J_P: #debian-amd64 |
| 14:27.58 | S4nD3r_ | how install this one ?? |
| 14:28.04 | asg | !winmodem |
| 14:28.04 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark |
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| 14:28.09 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 14:28.13 | Dict_02x | portahex, lspci | grep ICH5 |
| 14:28.13 | jethro | asg: what's remaining for people who don't care about 'away' ? |
| 14:28.13 | portahex | e.g. 0000:00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03) |
| 14:28.45 | asg | jethro: at least we get to beat them with a stick |
| 14:29.27 | S4nD3r_ | thanks... I will see about modems. |
| 14:29.30 | J_P | asg: in #debian-amd64 channel => (11:26:57) ukh: J_P: that the Debian Gods at Power give amd64 their official blessing. I don't think *I* can answer that question. |
| 14:29.38 | Draconicus | I hear a stick beating! |
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| 14:29.56 | portahex | J_P, the line as i understand it is when sarge releases, amd64 will be official in etch |
| 14:29.58 | Draconicus | May I join in? |
| 14:29.59 | asg | J_P: then there's your answer. If you want to follow the debate, check the debian-devel mailing list |
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| 14:30.38 | J_P | ok |
| 14:30.40 | Guerin | amd64 has plenty of time to get shipshape for etch. no force on this earth will get it into sarge. |
| 14:30.48 | Guerin | what's hard to understand about this? |
| 14:30.48 | oleth | hello I would like to ask if the grub output to the screen when the system boots is stored somewhere? |
| 14:30.52 | portahex | !info amd64-libs sarge |
| 14:30.54 | asg | Draconicus: sure, anytime you see someone with gratuitous auto-away crap, beat them with a stick (especially after you tell the bot to tell them about away) |
| 14:31.01 | dpkg | amd64-libs: (Amd64 shared libraries for use on i386/x86_64 systems), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4386 kB, Installed size: 10700 kB |
| 14:31.07 | Draconicus | ooh! :D |
| 14:31.30 | asg | oleth: only if you capture it with a serial console. |
| 14:31.59 | asg | oleth: or take a picture with a camera and use OCR to turn it into text. |
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| 14:32.47 | paulswm | !test |
| 14:32.49 | paulswm | :( |
| 14:32.50 | oleth | asg: how can I do that (the sereial console)? |
| 14:32.55 | pedro420 | Can anyone here tell me whars wrong with and how to fix my package manager ? |
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| 14:33.15 | S4nD3r_ | ohh... |
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| 14:33.18 | pedro420 | everytime i open it it says Couldn't stat source package list http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/linux.csua.berkeley.edu_debian_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 14:33.27 | S4nD3r_ | My winmodem is agere... It will work ?? |
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| 14:33.41 | MobyTurbo | pedro420: have you tried running "apt-get update"? |
| 14:33.45 | ethics | pedro spaces not ____s |
| 14:33.58 | xtension | after a debootstrap how am i supposed to install a kernel ? mkinitrd crashes when intalling a initrd kernel |
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| 14:34.18 | xtension | o better mkintrd fails because it cant find / |
| 14:34.26 | ethics | pedro420, i dont think they are meant to be underscores in the sources.list...spacebars are you friend |
| 14:34.42 | amorphix | is there a 6.8 version of X11? |
| 14:34.55 | portahex | amorphix, you mean xorg? xorg is not in debian |
| 14:35.06 | streuner | amorphix: wait till sarge is stable |
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| 14:35.12 | amorphix | portahex no i mean X |
| 14:35.13 | pedro420 | where do i type that at ? |
| 14:35.13 | jethro | ethics: you're not making sense at all.. |
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| 14:35.56 | amorphix | jethros: I think he meant dont use undercores, use space bar instead |
| 14:36.03 | amorphix | +s |
| 14:36.04 | ethics | jethro, maybee im misreading it...i read the _s as in the sources not as a result...nm me |
| 14:36.33 | jethro | ethics: if you read well, you see that's not sources.list, but rather a file under /var/apt, which is totally different |
| 14:36.35 | xtension | debootstrap -> chroot into it -> how do i install a kernel ? i know i can roll my own but a precompiled kernel woudl be nice ... |
| 14:36.41 | ethics | jethro, looks like underscores not spacebars but thas a file output so maybee its right |
| 14:36.46 | amorphix | i thought Xfree86 hasnt gone beyond version 4.4? |
| 14:37.16 | jethro | ethics: when you want to answer a question, make sure you know the answer, because if you don't, you're of no value for the one asking. you just bring confusion |
| 14:37.21 | amorphix | im seeing drivers for version 6.8 for Wacom? |
| 14:37.23 | MobyTurbo | amorphix: it's actually 4.5 now, but Debian is going to switch to xorg in etch. |
| 14:37.29 | amorphix | oh |
| 14:37.50 | ethics | jethro, yeah just misread it.. |
| 14:37.53 | S4nD3r_ | does anybody help me to install my modem ? |
| 14:37.54 | S4nD3r_ | please |
| 14:37.57 | Guerin | his wacom is old |
| 14:37.57 | amorphix | maybe they're refering to release version |
| 14:37.58 | asg | oleth: if you have i386, it can be difficult but doable. Start here (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/configure-kernel-grub.html) |
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| 14:38.11 | joelmabruna | oi |
| 14:38.12 | Guerin | it's unlikely that a NEW x server will support it any better than a moderately new one |
| 14:38.15 | jethro | ethics: thou shallt not misread! ;) |
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| 14:38.24 | asg | oleth: if you aren't using a debian kernel, you'll need to have serial console support. |
| 14:38.28 | joelmabruna | hi |
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| 14:38.30 | amorphix | Guerin: that is true |
| 14:38.31 | ethics | jethro *cowers in fear* |
| 14:38.49 | joelmabruna | oi |
| 14:38.59 | jethro | pedro420: running apt-setup and apt-get upgrade should fix this problem |
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| 14:39.22 | asg | S4nD3r_: if it's a winmodem, it probably will not work with anything besides windows. I would start googling for 'model of modem linux'. |
| 14:39.31 | asg | S4nD3r_: or just go and buy a real modem |
| 14:40.13 | oleth | asg: I have i386 ... |
| 14:40.26 | asg | oleth: then start with the howto above. |
| 14:40.53 | oleth | asg: yes, I am up to it |
| 14:41.20 | S4nD3r_ | asg, real modem is expensive |
| 14:41.22 | S4nD3r_ | snif |
| 14:41.34 | asg | oleth: that's the relevant section for grub but I'd read the whole howto for other configuration and pre-requisites. |
| 14:41.42 | xtension | S4nD3r_ check if you have a winmodem ... |
| 14:41.57 | asg | S4nD3r_: this isn't 1985 you know, that's when modems were expensive. |
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| 14:42.16 | amorphix | I think my psaux/mouse module could be causing problems |
| 14:42.24 | honschu | Hi, I need to start maple8 under sarge, is there a GLIBC_2.0 for sarge? |
| 14:42.32 | asg | !redhat crap |
| 14:42.32 | dpkg | hmm... redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid) |
| 14:42.46 | paulswm | HAH |
| 14:43.14 | amorphix | strange |
| 14:43.17 | amorphix | armada:/usr/src/modules/wacom/prebuilt# wacdump -c serial -f pp /dev/ttyS0 |
| 14:43.18 | amorphix | WacomOpenTablet: Connection timed out |
| 14:43.18 | asg | honschu: you'll have to go back earlier than woody to potato or slink. Good luck |
| 14:43.36 | Supaplex | amorphix: armada? |
| 14:43.41 | honschu | no compatibility? |
| 14:43.52 | S4nD3r_ | asg, thats because you dont live in brazil... |
| 14:43.53 | S4nD3r_ | lol |
| 14:43.53 | honschu | asg, is there no chance? |
| 14:44.11 | asg | honschu: like the above factoid said, try getting an earlier package for support (it may not work though) |
| 14:44.46 | asg | S4nD3r_: how much does a 33.6 cost in .br? |
| 14:45.51 | S4nD3r_ | 82,32 reais... |
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| 14:45.54 | amorphix | Supalex: yeah, Compaq M700 |
| 14:46.29 | S4nD3r_ | but the price is no that... Its here about 150,00 reais... about 65 dollars |
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| 14:46.37 | S4nD3r_ | external modems. |
| 14:46.48 | amorphix | Supalplex you have one too? |
| 14:47.01 | masoft | Making initrd in Debian is different from Slackware. how can I set modules for load with mkinitrd ? (in slackware it was mkinitrd -k 2.6.8 -m ntfs) |
| 14:48.18 | asg | S4nD3r_: well, if you can't buy one, try googling the output of lspci with the keyword linux. Someone might have found a way to support it. |
| 14:48.34 | asg | masoft: man mkinitrd.conf |
| 14:48.54 | amorphix | how do i get the header files for ncurses? |
| 14:49.00 | asg | amorphix: libncurses5-dev |
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| 14:49.06 | asg | amorphix: and /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:49.10 | amorphix | asg: thanks |
| 14:49.51 | oleth | asg: thanks for the hint. I've started reading it. Stilll things to catch up. Bye! |
| 14:49.53 | amorphix | this is not easy for a n00b |
| 14:50.00 | asg | oleth: you're welcome, good luck with it. |
| 14:50.01 | S4nD3r_ | ok than |
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| 14:51.18 | alekzandr | i am trying to pin a package, but apt-get want to upgrade it anyway, should the pin info go in /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 14:51.20 | kingsley | Is there a way to coax "run-parts" to log the time that it runs each command? |
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| 14:52.00 | asg | alekzandr: /msg dpkg hold |
| 14:52.17 | alekzandr | thanks |
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| 14:52.30 | asg | kingsley: probably better to have logger(1) in each script that is run. I'm pretty sure run-parts doesn't have that functionality. |
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| 14:53.51 | rossi | anyone knows a app for updating my firmware of my dvd burner ?? the curious thing is that my cd burner doesn't open anymore I have had this problem already and flashed the firmware new and then it opened |
| 14:54.06 | rossi | I have btc 1004 im this burner is really bad |
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| 14:55.09 | LoneTech | when I did that, I had to use dos.. luckily there's freedos and loadlin's memdisk, so I didn't have to install a floppy drive. |
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| 14:56.04 | rossi | lonetech when I have the firmware image |
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| 14:56.22 | rossi | are there apps for using these images for linux |
| 14:56.36 | LoneTech | at least plextor have allowed making a linux tool, but I don't think many others |
| 14:56.52 | MobyTurbo | !tell rossi -about enter |
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| 14:57.20 | masoft | for have a Bootsplash, I must compile kernel with VESA support. could I use VESA support as module and load it with initrd ? |
| 14:57.31 | rossi | lontech |
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| 14:57.41 | rossi | I use a not original firmware |
| 14:57.43 | asg | masoft: /msg dpkg bootsplash (the o'reilly hack is pretty complete) |
| 14:58.00 | paulswm | !test |
| 14:58.01 | masoft | asg, didn't say anything about this thing |
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| 14:58.11 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 14:58.14 | incorrect | is it me or is it impossible to have different default gateways for different devices? |
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| 14:58.29 | asg | incorrect: yes, the point of a default gateway is that there is only one. |
| 14:58.34 | raf256 | if I switch CPU from athlon32 to athlon64, will my current debian installation work (only - not taking advantages of 64bit CPU)? |
| 14:58.43 | LoneTech | raf256: yes. |
| 14:58.43 | asg | incorrect: for other routes, use static routing. |
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| 14:59.21 | LoneTech | er.. the point of a default gateway is that it covers what's not covered by others. it's quite possible to have multiple default routes. |
| 14:59.25 | raf256 | LoneTech: thnx. And how can I later switch to 64, there is naother debian repos. for it? It have same soft as in sarge, or much less? |
| 14:59.42 | Supaplex | raf256: TIAS or google it. (I assume it will, but caveat emptor) |
| 15:00.12 | incorrect | asg, ok maybe im looking at the problem in the wrong way, |
| 15:00.20 | LoneTech | raf256: I'm running pure64 on my laptop, there are slightly fewer packages built and some don't build right so won't work. upgrading from 32bit to 64bit userspace is not currently practical. |
| 15:00.34 | asg | incorrect: okay, maybe if you tell us what you are trying to do, that will help. |
| 15:00.36 | xtension | debootstrap -> chroot into it -> how do i install a kernel ? i know i can roll my own but a precompiled kernel woudl be nice ... |
| 15:00.36 | MobyTurbo | raf256: when AMD64 support is developed for edge, the goal is that, like all architectures in Debian today, it will be fully supported I assume. |
| 15:00.37 | LoneTech | easier to make a separate installation |
| 15:00.44 | MobyTurbo | s/edge/etch/ |
| 15:00.52 | asg | xtension: apt-get install kernel-image (pick one that suits and install it.) |
| 15:00.56 | raf256 | LoneTech: so switching to 64 will not give me any performence boost etc? |
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| 15:01.09 | xtension | asg fails on mkinitrd due to lack of / |
| 15:01.09 | LoneTech | depends very much on what you're doing |
| 15:01.36 | LoneTech | most things you hear about performance are myths; for instance most programs run faster built with -Os than with -O2. |
| 15:01.44 | asg | xtension: installing a kernel image shouldn't have anything to do with mkinitrd, it just installs files. |
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| 15:02.07 | incorrect | asg, if i had an internal and external network on separate nics, i want local and internal connections to be routed via one gateway, a connection going to the external ip is routed via a different gateway |
| 15:02.18 | xtension | asg mmm, i thought a precompiled kernel uses a initial ram disk ? |
| 15:02.25 | incorrect | so far the machines route traffic back through the internal network gateway |
| 15:02.29 | asg | incorrect: oh, set a default gateway for one, use iproute or /sbin/route to setup things for the other. |
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| 15:02.48 | asg | xtension: yes but it just installs a file that's precompiled and accessed via a configured bootloader. |
| 15:03.06 | xtension | asg ok i ll try again |
| 15:03.27 | amorphix | insmod: error inserting './wacom.o': -1 Invalid module format |
| 15:03.30 | amorphix | what does that mean? |
| 15:03.31 | asg | !insmod |
| 15:03.31 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
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| 15:03.49 | amorphix | wtf |
| 15:03.51 | asg | amorphix: it also probably means you are installing a 2.4.x module on a 2.6.x kernel |
| 15:03.59 | amorphix | impossible |
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| 15:04.08 | amorphix | its prebuilt for 2.6 |
| 15:04.17 | furrywolf | amorphix: are you using debian? |
| 15:04.20 | amorphix | yeah |
| 15:04.25 | amorphix | sid 2.6.11 |
| 15:04.35 | Fare | ok, problems with the sound card seem related to CPU utilization. When the CPU is at 100%, the sound is normal. Otherwise it sucks (microskips, shifted frequencies, etc.) |
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| 15:04.46 | amorphix | hi furrywolf |
| 15:05.06 | Fare | looks like the driver is stupid and relies on a constant CPU speed, whereas the CPU slows down or something when the load is low. |
| 15:05.12 | amorphix | sorry i got your name mixed up and called you fluffywolf the other day =) |
| 15:05.23 | furrywolf | get the linuxwacom.sf.net drivers, install PROPERLY by copying the 5 .c files in src/2.6.11/ over the files of the same name in the kernel, then rebuild the kernel and modules_install. |
| 15:05.29 | Fare | my workaround is having one or two xaos processes running in the background |
| 15:05.34 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 15:05.46 | Fare | though every now and then, xaos segfaults |
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| 15:06.05 | furrywolf | fare: are you using the stock debian kernel, or did you compile your own? |
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| 15:06.20 | Fare | furrywolf, stock kernel |
| 15:06.28 | furrywolf | fare: try .12-rc5 and see if it goes away... if not, that sounds like a kernel bug. |
| 15:06.36 | Fare | I'm compiling my own right now -- do you have suggestions for the configuration? |
| 15:06.37 | amorphix | furrywolf: i followed your advice, but found the site highly confusing and hard to navigate..but i did try.. i received conflicting advice tho from others who told me that Debian already supports the wacom and has a working driver in wacom-kernel-source? |
| 15:06.43 | furrywolf | are you using some sound daemon? if so, disable it and go directly to /dev/dsp... |
| 15:06.51 | incorrect | asg, so in my interfaces, i could set the gateway for the internal and on the external i could do something like 'up /sbin/route add gw <ip> ? |
| 15:06.59 | asg | incorrect: exactly |
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| 15:07.10 | Fare | that's a kernel bug. I had something similar on another machine. I suspected crappy hardware -- apparently, the kernel does the same on a completely different hardware |
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| 15:07.15 | asg | incorrect: but probably not gw, probably using -net |
| 15:07.25 | Fare | furrywolf, no, the problem is with /dev/dsp itself |
| 15:07.29 | furrywolf | amorphix: from my experience, attempting to use the precompiled driver, if you get it to load, still lets the mouse driver grab control of the tablet, so you have both the mouse driver and the wacom driver trying to talk to it... resulting in large breakage. |
| 15:07.32 | incorrect | asg doesn't -net state a network ? |
| 15:07.32 | Fare | definitely a driver bug |
| 15:07.36 | asg | incorrect: I'd use the default route for anything not on your network and then use static routes for your network addresses (since they are known.) |
| 15:07.44 | furrywolf | fare: then compile .12-rc5 and see if it helps... if not, file a kernel bug. |
| 15:08.00 | incorrect | asg, i wanted the other way tho |
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| 15:08.12 | furrywolf | as a random guess, it's an interrupt problem, and when there's a lack of interrupts the sound driver is getting stuck somewhere... but I'm probably wrong. |
| 15:08.18 | Fare | I wonder if shops are open today? |
| 15:08.23 | amorphix | furrywolf: AHA that sounds like what im experiencing now.. ok, i will try again and start over. am i right in thinking that wacdump wont be able to detect the pad until the module has been compiled and kernel updated? |
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| 15:08.51 | incorrect | you see i two machines running heartbeat so i can failover the nat box |
| 15:08.58 | furrywolf | amorphix: if it's a usb tablet, then correct. if it's serial, you don't even need a kernel module. |
| 15:09.11 | amorphix | furrywolf: its a serial tablet |
| 15:09.25 | amorphix | furrywolf: i cant even get wacdump to detect it or show any data :-/ |
| 15:09.30 | furrywolf | amorphix: I'm pretty sure serial tablets don't need ANY kernel driver. |
| 15:09.36 | amorphix | shit |
| 15:09.41 | furrywolf | the X driver talks to serial tablets directly last I checked. |
| 15:09.44 | amorphix | whats wrong with my setup then |
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| 15:09.51 | furrywolf | serial being rs232 (9-pin D sub), NOT usb. |
| 15:09.54 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 15:09.58 | amorphix | yes |
| 15:10.05 | incorrect | i want to be able to ssh into a box that isn't the gateway |
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| 15:10.22 | amorphix | im screwed |
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| 15:10.47 | jim | amorphix: make sure the data rate and the bit arrangement of your machine's serial port matches the tablet |
| 15:10.54 | furrywolf | amorphix: actually, you get it easy. |
| 15:11.08 | furrywolf | amorphix: start with http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/theory |
| 15:11.16 | amorphix | furrywolf: i wonder if its anything to do with my laptop... I have a shared ps/2 port for mouse + keyboard, which my tablet is pulled into it..but my mouse pointer on keyboard uses psaux and mouse module/driver |
| 15:11.17 | ircdevil | i am trying to: dh-make-perl --build --cpan Text::BibTeX - but i get this error: Couldn't find appropriate distribution directory ("btparse-0.30.*") - what is this crap? |
| 15:11.32 | amorphix | *pulled = plugged |
| 15:11.54 | Fare | memorial day link: http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2005/05/ive-seen-that-memorial-day-is-being.html |
| 15:12.00 | furrywolf | amorphix: as long as it's a 9-pin D sub connector (5 pins on the wide side, 4 on the narrow side), it doesn't matter where it grabs the power from. |
| 15:12.04 | amorphix | jim: yes i did check that, i lowered the baud rate to 9600 |
| 15:12.14 | amorphix | ok |
| 15:12.20 | jim | read the manual of the device |
| 15:12.38 | amorphix | this device works fine in XP |
| 15:12.38 | jim | to see what speed and what bit arrangement it uses |
| 15:12.45 | jim | fine. |
| 15:12.46 | furrywolf | jim: the wacom driver automagically does the serial setup; you don't need to mess with it. |
| 15:12.49 | amorphix | i wish i had the manual :( |
| 15:12.51 | jim | then use xp forever... |
| 15:13.06 | jim | go to the mfgr website and see if they have a pdf |
| 15:13.12 | furrywolf | amorphix: read the "serial tablet operation" section on the url I pasted. |
| 15:13.34 | amorphix | furrywolf: is there likely to be any problem with using wacdump in a shell from within X? should I quit X? |
| 15:13.39 | amorphix | ok |
| 15:13.48 | Fare | I got my bios to not boot anymore :( Had to find a PS2 keyboard and remove the usb keyboard that was having an irq conflict |
| 15:14.00 | furrywolf | amorphix: as long as the X driver isn't set up yet, it won't have the serial device open, and it shouldn't conflict. |
| 15:14.11 | amorphix | ok |
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| 15:14.48 | furrywolf | amorphix: does your laptop have an internal non-winmodem modem? |
| 15:14.48 | nomed^ | hi |
| 15:15.09 | jim | furrywolf, so the driver calls setserial or soem equiv? |
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| 15:15.16 | furrywolf | try both wacdump /dev/ttyS0 and wacdump /dev/ttyS1 |
| 15:15.18 | amorphix | no modem, running over a lan here via ethernet |
| 15:15.22 | nomed^ | i found two strange pkges .. exim4-config .. that conflicts with itsself |
| 15:15.50 | furrywolf | jim: it supposedly configures it for 9600 baud, which is what all the tablets default to, then queries the tablet to see what model it is, and if that model supports a higher baud, switches the tablet and the serial port to the new rate. |
| 15:16.11 | furrywolf | how it does it I've never looked at. |
| 15:16.26 | nomed^ | and kdb .. console-tools conflicts with kdb << 0.95-11 .. but that's not true .. it should be kbd .. or not? |
| 15:16.39 | furrywolf | amorphix: and, of course, you have to be root to do any of this. |
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| 15:17.19 | furrywolf | amorphix: and, of course, poke the tablet with the pen and/or mouse before deciding wacdump isn't working |
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| 15:17.46 | amorphix | hehe yes |
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| 15:18.01 | oppoziee | hello, ive got a problem with a pcmica wlan card (netgear WG511;prism54) can anyone help? |
| 15:18.48 | chaps0063 | Hello all. I was hoping to get some help getting my wireless card to work. I have an Intel Corp. Pro/Wireless 2200BG, I am hoping to be able to use ndiswrapper. |
| 15:19.04 | amorphix | furrywolf: i get invalid argument on S1 and S4, and S0 just returns timeout error. and S4 just hangs indefinitely |
| 15:19.07 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 15:19.12 | pedro420 | Jethro: What should I make the access method ? |
| 15:19.17 | furrywolf | what about S2 and S3? :P |
| 15:19.29 | furrywolf | some laptops have broken-by-design serial ports... |
| 15:19.33 | jethro | pedro420: would you mind providing details? |
| 15:19.59 | furrywolf | does your tablet have a wall-wart power adapter? |
| 15:20.10 | amorphix | S2 hangs indefinitely, and S3 says invalid argument |
| 15:20.17 | amorphix | hehe no |
| 15:20.22 | furrywolf | what model tablet? |
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| 15:20.40 | furrywolf | laptops are well-known for having non-standard and/or insufficent serial and ps/2 ports... |
| 15:20.40 | amorphix | its a PenPartner, runs via the PS2 for power and has a serial adaptor 9pin |
| 15:20.41 | pedro420 | I did apt setup |
| 15:20.56 | amorphix | damn |
| 15:20.56 | pedro420 | I am at apt config |
| 15:21.07 | furrywolf | go buy a modern tablet? :) |
| 15:21.07 | amorphix | its strange how it runs fine in XP on this laptop tho? |
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| 15:21.15 | furrywolf | hrmm, that is strange then. |
| 15:21.19 | alekzandr | webmin is broken on my system, and i want to remove it and reinstall, but apt-get remove fails, is there another way? |
| 15:21.30 | asg | alekzandr: in what way does it fail? |
| 15:21.31 | pedro420 | it says archive access method for apt |
| 15:21.37 | amorphix | is there a way to see the settings of my com port? |
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| 15:22.00 | furrywolf | amorphix: skip wacdump, and try setting up the X driver... |
| 15:22.08 | amorphix | ok |
| 15:22.21 | chaps0063 | can someone help me with ndiswrapper? |
| 15:22.29 | alekzandr | i get /etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory |
| 15:22.32 | jethro | !tell chaps0063 -about ask |
| 15:22.33 | amorphix | but i'd like to see if the pad is actually working since i had alot of problems with X and need to elimate the pad not communicating eh? |
| 15:22.39 | jethro | !tell alekzandr -about webmin |
| 15:22.41 | asg | alekzandr: touch /etc/webmin/webmin.acl ; try again |
| 15:22.50 | alekzandr | asg, thanks |
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| 15:22.58 | furrywolf | amorphix: dunno. mine are USB. :) |
| 15:23.07 | chaps0063 | how can I get ndiswrapper working with an Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG card? |
| 15:23.14 | amorphix | furrywolf: i will show you what happened from my XF86 log last attempt.. |
| 15:23.20 | amorphix | brb |
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| 15:23.41 | furrywolf | paste to the paster, NOT the channel to to me |
| 15:23.52 | furrywolf | s/to to/or to |
| 15:24.07 | asg | chaps0063: install ndiswrapper with module-assistant, download XP drivers, configure ndiswrapper to use said drivers. |
| 15:24.28 | asg | chaps0063: apparently, there are also native intel drivers but ymmv. |
| 15:24.35 | valdyn | chaps0063: why dont you use the real ipw2200 linux driver? |
| 15:24.43 | jethro | valdyn: because it has limited features at the moment |
| 15:24.47 | chaps0063 | valdyn, I tried but it didn't seem to work. |
| 15:24.47 | amorphix | furrywolf: lots of these: Wacom unable to read first byte of request '~#' answer after 3 tries |
| 15:25.02 | jethro | valdyn: ie you can use open networks, or static wep keys |
| 15:25.02 | amorphix | furrywolf: however it seemed to detect all the com port settings |
| 15:25.17 | alekzandr | jethro: do you have a replacement for webmin that is safe? |
| 15:25.30 | jethro | alekzandr: a shell, and ssh, and some knowledge |
| 15:26.07 | furrywolf | GOD DAMMIT. my other box crashed again. |
| 15:26.10 | alekzandr | i have been using a shell and ssh for years, i want something faster |
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| 15:26.23 | furrywolf | this is starting to get really fucking annoying |
| 15:26.27 | asg | alekzandr: if you have to use webmin, at least have it listen on localhost only and use ssh tunneling to access it. |
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| 15:26.37 | pedro420 | jethro: the apt congif got a list with cdrom, http, ftp, filesystem, or edit sources list by hand, which one do i choose ? |
| 15:26.38 | asg | !tell paco about root |
| 15:26.39 | amorphix | furrywolf: one other question...would I need to disable my mouse in X, maybe thats overriding the pad? |
| 15:26.49 | amorphix | furrywolf :-( sorry |
| 15:26.51 | alekzandr | is there a safer replacement? |
| 15:26.53 | jethro | alekzandr: are you telling me you are used to shell and ssh, and you think webmin would be faster? |
| 15:26.57 | furrywolf | amorphix: try all the different serial ports in your X config |
| 15:27.02 | asg | alekzandr: no |
| 15:27.03 | furrywolf | (restarting X each time, of course) |
| 15:27.06 | amorphix | ok good idea |
| 15:27.06 | jethro | pedro420: which one do you actually want? |
| 15:27.07 | chaps0063 | thanks asg, I never used module-assistant before. |
| 15:27.07 | alekzandr | webmin is faster |
| 15:27.23 | jethro | chaps0063: didn't you use it yesterday when I told you to m-a a-i ? |
| 15:27.31 | asg | chaps0063: it's a new feature and appears to do the right thing, surprisingly, in most cases. |
| 15:27.32 | paulswm | webmin si teh suck IMO |
| 15:27.32 | pedro420 | i dunno the better one i am new to this shit |
| 15:27.47 | jethro | pedro420: http is fine |
| 15:27.47 | furrywolf | any tips on tracking down these crashes? what I've noticed now is it only crashes while using my usb mouse, no other time... |
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| 15:27.56 | jethro | !tell furrywolf -about any ideas |
| 15:28.04 | chaps0063 | jethro, hmm...maybe thats why it never worked! |
| 15:28.04 | asg | paulswm: anything web-based that tries to do what CLI tools do is crap, in my experience. |
| 15:28.12 | chaps0063 | jethro, i didn't know what m-a was :-) |
| 15:28.23 | paulswm | asg: No shit. |
| 15:28.30 | jethro | chaps0063: m-a a-i is obscure I agree, but I recall naming module-assistant using the full name |
| 15:28.42 | pedro420 | jethro: what debian mirror ? |
| 15:28.46 | chaps0063 | jethro, possible, I think I was rather confused and gave up at that point. |
| 15:28.48 | jethro | pedro420: the closer to you |
| 15:28.56 | jethro | chaps0063: ah, sorry I confused you then |
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| 15:29.07 | furrywolf | jethro: I asked for tips, not ideas. and I don't think I've ever seen a "so your linux box randomly hard locks" howto. |
| 15:29.11 | chaps0063 | jethro, i have to work at these things in spurts, no thats fine, I fairly new to linux. |
| 15:29.17 | asg | paulswm: we have a Barracuda spam firewall at work which, while decent, is so unusable due to a crap web interface that I gave up fooling with it for most things and setup a local rbl server. |
| 15:29.18 | paulswm | asg: I tried out webmin, but it kind of felt like walking across a frozen pond with the sound of cracking all around :) |
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| 15:29.32 | asg | paulswm: heh |
| 15:29.37 | raf256 | oh my fucking god |
| 15:29.38 | Shorty` | anyway to make my VM "uncache" my ram? :P |
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| 15:29.44 | chaps0063 | jethro, I can move around and work in it, but as far as setting things up, my brain just ceases to function. |
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| 15:29.49 | raf256 | computer freezed, then after reboot hanged several time |
| 15:29.49 | pedro420 | jethro: how do you tell the closest?? |
| 15:29.51 | asg | Shorty`: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 15:30.03 | incorrect | strange, route add -net x gw ip eth1 is over riding my default gateway setting |
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| 15:30.04 | raf256 | I ran memtest, opengl, prime95 etc for hours, strange |
| 15:30.06 | jethro | someone help pedro420, I give up |
| 15:30.08 | furrywolf | raf26: what motherboard? |
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| 15:30.14 | chaps0063 | asg, should I use the windows xp drivers from intel's website? |
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| 15:30.25 | raf256 | furrywolf: kt880 via, athlon 2600, I was using athcool |
| 15:30.32 | asg | chaps0063: I expect that's what you need to do (unless you have some OEM drivers for your machine.) |
| 15:30.36 | Shorty` | asg; could've gotten him to tell me about it ;P |
| 15:30.41 | wombachi | paulswm webmin is great software. The main developer always quickly responds to its user base. I use it with the virtualmin extension to manage about 80 websites |
| 15:30.42 | jethro | furrywolf: there are such things known as administrator's guide |
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| 15:30.46 | furrywolf | hrmm. that's probably too new to have bad caps... |
| 15:30.50 | jethro | furrywolf: they also detail how you usually troubleshoot your systems |
| 15:30.50 | asg | Shorty`: nah, you get to do some work |
| 15:31.01 | raf256 | can I find somewhere some clues what might cause this freez? It was total: mouse cursor, keyboard leds, alt+ctrl+del |
| 15:31.04 | Shorty` | asg; naw.. now where's the fun in that ;P |
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| 15:31.10 | chaps0063 | asg, even tho they come in .exe format, how will i extract them from that particular file? |
| 15:31.18 | asg | chaps0063: unzip |
| 15:31.26 | raf256 | on 2.6.8-2 |
| 15:31.27 | wombachi | paulswm. To bo honnest, I mostly use ssh, but web interface can be helpfull at times |
| 15:31.28 | chaps0063 | hmm...thanks. |
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| 15:31.42 | jethro | furrywolf: if you don't mind, here's a tip : google it |
| 15:31.48 | asg | Shorty`: you could try fooling with vm.* kernel tunables or run a BSD perhaps. |
| 15:31.55 | furrywolf | raf256: you might want to check your caps, but the board is probably too new to have bad ones. |
| 15:32.02 | raf256 | btw: can I just cp my /var/apt/cache/* to other debian (with identical sources.list btw)? and then it dont need to be downloaded? |
| 15:32.10 | raf256 | furrywolf: caps? |
| 15:32.15 | raf256 | wtf are caps |
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| 15:32.26 | furrywolf | raf256: wikipedia for Capacitor Plague |
| 15:32.36 | raf256 | oh, the exploding electronic thingies? |
| 15:32.36 | Shorty` | asg; I simply had a flawed way of interprating how it worked |
| 15:32.38 | Shorty` | :P |
| 15:32.54 | radical_ | there should be a +tolower channel mode |
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| 15:33.28 | raf256 | furrywolf: btw, my computer: http://www.ifj.edu.pl/~rmaj/linux/athcool/?lang=en I dont think athcool can be the pourpose can it? |
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| 15:34.32 | furrywolf | raf256: computer still booting, will go to it in a bit... |
| 15:34.39 | paulswm | wombachi: webmin too insecure for my liking, hence the thin ice analogy :) |
| 15:35.03 | madclicker | how can i ghost a hardrive in debian? |
| 15:35.17 | asg | madclicker: g4u, dd, tar, rsync, etc. |
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| 15:35.18 | chaps0063 | asg, what file from the drivers do I want, the .sys? |
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| 15:35.30 | chaps0063 | or the .inf? |
| 15:35.36 | raf256 | furrywolf: yes, after few tries (in one - while booting up, kernel cumped to screen something like CPU OOPS info, but messed up) it started up fine |
| 15:35.50 | raf256 | I wonder what can it be... RAM? CPU? GFX? |
| 15:35.51 | asg | chaps0063: iirc, you need both. Check ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net for their wiki/faq |
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| 15:36.03 | jethro | chaps0063: cd /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper/ and read there |
| 15:36.14 | chaps0063 | k thanks. |
| 15:36.15 | jethro | chaps0063: there should be everything you need to get your nic up and working |
| 15:36.15 | marcot | Hello, I'm having a problem with totem + dvd. When I put the dvd in the drive, it asked for libdvdcss. Then I installed libdvdread3 and run the script that installed libdvdcss2. But now, when I run totem it says: |
| 15:36.21 | raf256 | also, on windoze, I play SWAT 4 game (heavy 3d engine) and it causes computer to hang randomly often... it looks like hardware problem doesnt it |
| 15:36.32 | marcot | "Resource busy or not available" |
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| 15:36.33 | wombachi | paulswm webmin had security holes (perhaps some remains). But they are quickly closed when found. But I understand running some webservers as root can generate some fears |
| 15:36.45 | asg | paulswm: running it bound to localhost only and using ssh -L 80:localhost:80 server would be secure at least. |
| 15:36.51 | vezult | i'm trying to use epic4 on debian-amd64, but it doesnt seem to handle ansi color codes. anyone have any ideas on why? |
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| 15:37.10 | paulswm | madclicker: dd or partimage or ntfsclone for ntfs volumes, etc |
| 15:37.11 | valdyn | marcot: there's a debian package for libdvdcss, why did you use some ( probably problematic ) script? |
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| 15:37.31 | wombachi | paulswm I agree with asg. And some firewall rules can help too, just to be sure |
| 15:37.32 | amorphix | heh |
| 15:37.43 | vezult | same packages seems to work fine on i386 |
| 15:37.50 | amorphix | cant even get into X now, just hangs |
| 15:37.51 | marcot | valdyn: libdvdcss is a meta-package, that has libdvdread3. |
| 15:37.54 | vezult | package, rather |
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| 15:37.58 | asg | paulswm: still pointless but at least doable for those who insist on using it. |
| 15:38.04 | paulswm | asg, wombachi: sure, but being kind of old fashioned I am happier at the command line :) |
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| 15:38.21 | marcot | valdyn: and this script is in a debian package. |
| 15:38.23 | paulswm | @win jethro |
| 15:38.23 | ravenbird | Congratulations, jethro! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:38.28 | amorphix | furrywolf :-/ |
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| 15:38.48 | madclicker | paulswm: i have a drive with fat32/ntfs/ext3 partitions ghost can mirror all at the same time with resize |
| 15:38.50 | furrywolf | my throat is completely raw, my lungs feel like I have about 8000 needles jabbed into them, the roof of my mouth feels like someone has a blowtorch on it... and I can't breathe or swallow. |
| 15:38.54 | asg | paulswm: of course, but we try to provide solutions even if we consider them stupid. |
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| 15:39.03 | paulswm | madclicker: Well use ghost then |
| 15:39.10 | amorphix | furrywolf maybe you should go back to bed |
| 15:39.11 | madclicker | paulswm: is there a way to do this from debian? |
| 15:39.17 | jethro | furrywolf: why would #debian care? |
| 15:39.28 | valdyn | marcot: i dont know about this script, i do have libdvdcss2 from marillat |
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| 15:39.34 | paulswm | madclicker: I just told you |
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| 15:39.40 | asg | furrywolf: don't eat hot curry |
| 15:39.44 | Supaplex | furrywolf: apt-get install home-doctor ;-) |
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| 15:39.47 | amorphix | i think my setup is screwed |
| 15:39.53 | madclicker | paulswm: roger. i'll try them |
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| 15:39.55 | wombachi | paulswm. I prefer ssh too. But when your boss ask to be able to create accounts or mail adresses itself, webmin/virtualmin prooved very usefull :) |
| 15:40.00 | amorphix | or im just not cut out for linux as a desktop OS |
| 15:40.03 | marcot | valdyn: I think it gets from there. But anyway, libdvdcss2 is installed now, but totem gives this problem when it runs. |
| 15:40.30 | asg | amorphix: it's just fine as a desktop OS, it may not run on some funky hardware configurations (but neither will Windows either) |
| 15:40.35 | r3tr0 | evidently, someone forgot to tell me we get today off... (sound of wind whistling through office) |
| 15:40.37 | wombachi | paulswm: (without giving the whole power of full root shell access) |
| 15:40.42 | amorphix | i like Debian for desktop OS but its just too damn hard getting hardware to work and setting up software |
| 15:40.44 | paulswm | madclicker: dd or partimage or ntfsclone for ntfs volumes, there may be others, I use ntfsclone for ntfs backups and have done a lot of ntfs resizing and restores with ntfsclone and ntfsresize, so I can vouch for them. |
| 15:40.57 | incorrect | what a pain, that didn't work |
| 15:41.03 | furrywolf | jethro: you may not care, but perhaps the people I'm helping might care why I'm slow to reply? |
| 15:41.07 | valdyn | marcot: tried fuser and/or lsof on /dev/hdc ( or whatever you dvd device is ) ? |
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| 15:41.18 | jethro | furrywolf: HAHAHA |
| 15:41.29 | marcot | valdyn: but totem is giving this error message before loading the dvd. |
| 15:41.41 | amorphix | for example, ive spent the best part of a week this month trying to get my graphics tablet and printer working, which took all of 5 minutes in XP |
| 15:41.44 | incorrect | there has to be something i need to add to the route |
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| 15:42.00 | brader | hello all I just switched my desktop to debian SID and I had a few questions on how to do a few I am assuming simple things |
| 15:42.02 | jethro | !comfort furrywolf |
| 15:42.03 | dpkg | There, there, furrywolf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:42.09 | madclicker | asg: is g4u can do disk to disk as oppose to creating an image from a drive? |
| 15:42.12 | wombachi | amorphix: perhaps you can use knoppix or ubuntu first (it's based on Debian). Then come back to Debian ;) |
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| 15:42.24 | valdyn | marcot: i dont care, i didnt write totem, i would still try these commands |
| 15:42.29 | amorphix | wombachi: I was considering that |
| 15:42.30 | chaps0063 | what is the command to unzip a compressed .exe? |
| 15:42.31 | amorphix | wombachi: I was considering that |
| 15:42.31 | paulswm | wombachi: Just use Linux on my own boxes/network, professionally it's IBM and Unisys mainframes, and HP-UX and Solaris servers which I don't have to admin :) |
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| 15:42.54 | tarzeau | writerase: yes of course |
| 15:42.55 | amorphix | perhaps there is a Linux thats more hardware supportive and easier for n00bs? |
| 15:43.03 | tarzeau | writerase: there's more file to be changed in debian/* |
| 15:43.05 | marcot | valdyn: ok. |
| 15:43.07 | furrywolf | jethro: if dpkg is "fully functional", I can think of some things that would be more comforting at the moment... |
| 15:43.35 | valdyn | amorphix: maybe you should stick to XP |
| 15:43.39 | brader | What is the ntp package that auto updates my time? |
| 15:43.44 | amorphix | maybe |
| 15:43.48 | marcot | valdyn: fuser and lsof on the dvd drive returns nothing. |
| 15:43.50 | vezult | brader: ntp-simple |
| 15:43.55 | furrywolf | amorphix: hardware support has no relation to what distribution you use |
| 15:44.05 | wombachi | paulswm I Never used Unisys mainfraimes. I only know they had a patent on LZW compression algorithm of gifs. Oops, sorry ;-) |
| 15:44.09 | jethro | furrywolf: again, it's not as if I really cared. keep your pointless remarks and comments for "the people you help", they seem to need it so |
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| 15:44.15 | amorphix | furrywolf well none of my hardware seems to be supported or easy to setup |
| 15:44.16 | marcot | valdyn: "libhal.c 2282 : Error sending msg: Service "org.freedesktop.Hal" does not exist" |
| 15:44.17 | chaps0063 | is there a specific command to extract files from a .exe? |
| 15:44.23 | clojster | how can I setup Pure-ftpd-mysql to dun default with -A option? (--chrooteveryone) ...there is no config file where can I put it... if I'm not missing anything |
| 15:44.27 | marcot | valdyn: i have this on running totem from console. |
| 15:44.29 | furrywolf | jethro: woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, eh? |
| 15:44.38 | brader | vesult thank you |
| 15:44.44 | vezult | brader: np |
| 15:44.47 | jethro | furrywolf: no, just can't stand particular behaviors |
| 15:44.48 | wombachi | chaps0063 use windows. But running .exe from untrusted sources is risky |
| 15:44.50 | paulswm | wombachi: Yes, but they've only ever enforced the patent for modem manufactures AFAIK |
| 15:44.51 | madclicker | paulswm: my system that am currently running has three OS's on it. I need to move from 80 -120 GB while leaving fat32 and ntfs untouched but ext3 (/home) to use the full the rest of the disk. How would you proceed? |
| 15:45.09 | brader | How do I mount a windows network drive and what is a good client for playing MP3's ;-) |
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| 15:45.30 | wombachi | brader man smbmount. Try xmms |
| 15:45.31 | amorphix | so there it is, i love linux and think its far superior an OS to Windows but i just cant get to grips with hardware support |
| 15:45.31 | vezult | brader: apt-get install smbfs |
| 15:45.33 | paulswm | madclicker: You are adding a second disk? |
| 15:45.35 | madclicker | brader: mp3 > amarock |
| 15:45.53 | valdyn | marcot: no idea which part of hal / hotplug / udev, whatever could be causing this. id restart the h/w detection/control services or reboot |
| 15:45.53 | vezult | wambachi: smbount is part of the smbfs package |
| 15:45.57 | furrywolf | amorphix: try a USB tablet? :P |
| 15:46.05 | madclicker | paulswm: nope, i need to move from 80 to 120 |
| 15:46.08 | amorphix | thats a possibility |
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| 15:46.34 | marcot | valdyn: I have already done it. |
| 15:46.34 | vezult | brader: you could try rythmbox |
| 15:46.44 | vezult | brader: to play mp3s |
| 15:46.54 | valdyn | marcot: does totem bail out at that error message? |
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| 15:47.03 | amorphix | i think i will try to setup this pad on my real desktop PC |
| 15:47.12 | amorphix | see how that goes |
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| 15:47.18 | tatoo | hi folks. |
| 15:47.24 | marcot | valdyn: bail out? |
| 15:47.25 | amorphix | hi |
| 15:47.31 | chaps0063 | ok, i have my drivers installed, and i did modprobe ndiswrapper. |
| 15:47.32 | valdyn | marcot: like quit |
| 15:47.33 | madclicker | brader: mp3 > amarok |
| 15:47.44 | tatoo | how can i mount my digital cam? /dev/....? |
| 15:47.45 | brader | madclick what is package name? |
| 15:47.53 | marcot | valdyn: when I run it, it gives this error message before starting. |
| 15:47.53 | asg | tatoo: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 15:47.59 | marcot | valdyn: and it don't even start. |
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| 15:48.09 | Jhair | tatoo, with hotplug should be recognized automatically no need to mount |
| 15:48.11 | wombachi | paulswm: about webmin, 1.180 is in debian, but current is 1.200 (package orphaned iirc?) |
| 15:48.14 | amorphix | well at least its sunny |
| 15:48.18 | vezult | tatoo: if it's fairly recent, it can probably be accessed as a mass-storage device |
| 15:48.25 | paulswm | madclicker: then plug in the second disk, make and copy the filesystems you want to move, update your fstab, update your boot loader if you move any root or Windows boot partitions, try it out BEFORE deleting the original partitions |
| 15:48.33 | valdyn | marcot: strace totem might give useful info |
| 15:48.40 | amorphix | is it bank holiday today in UK? |
| 15:48.54 | vezult | tatoo: and will end up being something like: /dev/sd[abcdef]1 |
| 15:48.55 | paulswm | Yes, and Memorial Day in US |
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| 15:49.02 | amorphix | thought so |
| 15:49.05 | madclicker | paulswm: thanks, am on it |
| 15:49.05 | valdyn | marcot: either way i dont know much about hal so, i got no clear pointer |
| 15:49.14 | chaps0063 | i did modprobe ndiswrapper, no output from it, and iwconfig is not working to configure. |
| 15:49.15 | brader | In My sources list I keep getting errors abotu there is no security where can I find and example sources list file for sid? |
| 15:49.34 | jethro | chaps0063: dmesg, and read the logs in /var/log/ |
| 15:49.34 | vezult | brader: there are no security updates for sid |
| 15:49.39 | asg | chaps0063: does iwlist <interface> scan show any access points? does /sbin/ifconfig list your wireless interface? |
| 15:49.54 | takatumi | brader: comment the security line from the sources.list |
| 15:49.55 | vezult | brader: they only do security updated for stable |
| 15:50.07 | brader | cool thanks that is what I did |
| 15:50.13 | chaps0063 | iwlist - command not found |
| 15:50.15 | paulswm | madclicker: YW, the trick is not to delete anything before testing it, also suggest not copying ntfs stuff unless you have to, if you do remember to makr the ones not in use as hidden before booting |
| 15:50.20 | madclicker | brader: its called "amarok" |
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| 15:50.22 | brader | ok now how do I mount the network drive? |
| 15:50.27 | asg | chaps0063: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 15:50.39 | jethro | chaps0063: did you try backporting ipw2200-source from sid? it's a newer version, with WPA code working |
| 15:51.04 | chaps0063 | it shows eth1 as unassociated. |
| 15:51.11 | amorphix | my laptop screen has gone loose, if i put it back further than 90 degrees it just falls back flat :-/ |
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| 15:51.20 | madclicker | paulswm: for ntfs, can i use ntfsclone? |
| 15:51.24 | asg | amorphix: google for duct tape |
| 15:51.25 | vezult | brader: use smbfs. type: man mount |
| 15:51.31 | jethro | hah |
| 15:51.38 | amorphix | hehe |
| 15:51.40 | wombachi | brader smbmount //srv/sharename ~/mnt/sharename -o username=... |
| 15:51.42 | madclicker | brader: smbmount |
| 15:51.43 | tatoo | vezult: "usb device # is not claimed by any active driver" |
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| 15:51.43 | amorphix | im gonna sell it |
| 15:51.52 | tatoo | Jhair: i have hotplug installed. |
| 15:51.53 | vezult | brader: you'll want to apt-get install smbfs first |
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| 15:51.55 | furrywolf | what speed is the laptop? |
| 15:52.33 | brader | vezult done |
| 15:53.02 | paulswm | madclicker: And if you are just copying Linux filesystems, you can mount them on /mnt or somewhere and cp -a the appropriate directory structure, remember to check the new filesystem permissions at the mount point AFTER mounting to make sure that they will be the same as the current one. You can copy/move an ntfs volume with ntfsclone, but remember that you'll have to change the Windows boot loader file (BOOT.INI) |
| 15:53.13 | vezult | brader: now you can mount it like any other device: mount -t smbfs //server/share /mountpoint |
| 15:53.36 | amorphix | furrywolf: it's a compaq armada m700, P3-600 with 398mb ram |
| 15:53.39 | brader | cool never mounted anything before |
| 15:54.02 | furrywolf | amorphix: I'll give you $50 for it. |
| 15:54.04 | wombachi | brader works only if your username is the same as on the windows/smb box |
| 15:54.06 | asg | mount -t wifefs /dev/mrs /mnt/bed |
| 15:54.17 | vezult | brader: man mount will give you details on options you can pass |
| 15:54.22 | furrywolf | oh wait, it's a compaq... $25. :P |
| 15:54.27 | amorphix | furrywolf: no tar :P |
| 15:54.38 | furrywolf | ? |
| 15:54.51 | brader | vezult same username and password for both local client and my network client |
| 15:55.01 | amorphix | furrywolf: tar = english for thanks |
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| 15:55.12 | asg | amorphix: ta, not tar |
| 15:55.19 | amorphix | whatever |
| 15:55.25 | paulswm | madclicker: I would strongly suggest not to move ntfs system partitions unless you are really sure you know what you are doing, it is easy to mess up. Make sure that they go into the same partitions on the new disk, and you won't have to mess with BOOT.INI |
| 15:55.48 | wombachi | asg: I'm not sure, is wifefs 1.0 compatible with girlfriend 0.4? :) |
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| 15:56.05 | asg | wombachi: it isn't unless you have wifefs-ng |
| 15:56.10 | tatoo | vezult: i can't mount /dev/ds* drivers |
| 15:56.21 | madclicker | paulswm: i use grub as bootldr |
| 15:56.26 | paulswm | madclicker: When I say move, I mean change their partition positions, I understand that you are replacing your disk. I hope it all makes sense :) |
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| 15:56.38 | asg | wombachi: PROMISC mode is also an option. |
| 15:56.39 | tatoo | vezult: sorry /dev/sd* |
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| 15:57.19 | paulswm | madclicker: Then make sure that you have a grub floppy and access to the grub documentation in case you have to boot from the grub floppy and manually boot your system. |
| 15:57.20 | wombachi | asg yes, but it requires huge privileges :) |
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| 15:57.30 | asg | wombachi: of course |
| 15:57.37 | madclicker | paulswm: i dig the proceedure, i just was hopping (cause am lazy) to have a "one click solution" ;-) |
| 15:57.40 | jethro | furrywolf: I can give you my paypal info if you want |
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| 15:57.52 | furrywolf | jethro: ? |
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| 15:57.57 | paulswm | :fruitsmite madclicker |
| 15:58.00 | chaps0063 | asg, if i try iwlist eth1 scan it says interface doesnt support it. |
| 15:58.00 | brader | hmm what do you mean by mountpoint? |
| 15:58.03 | paulswm | @fruitsmite madclicker |
| 15:58.05 | jethro | furrywolf: you pay, I fix the problem |
| 15:58.06 | paulswm | :D |
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| 15:58.18 | jethro | furrywolf: as you seem unable to even qualify it |
| 15:58.28 | asg | chaps0063: then eth1 isn't your wireless most likely. Does /sbin/ifconfig -a show a wlan0 or something similar? |
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| 15:58.46 | furrywolf | jethro: my paypal account is broken. I called them on the phone, and after 47 minutes on hold long-distance, the guy told me it would be easier for me to open a new account under a fake name than to try getting them to fix my old one. |
| 15:58.47 | chaps0063 | if i do iwconfig eth1 shows up with all the wireless extension info. |
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| 15:59.00 | paulswm | @bless madclicker |
| 15:59.00 | ravenbird | O $DEITY, bless our child madclicker, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 15:59.06 | jethro | furrywolf: ffs would you mind READING what you're being told? |
| 15:59.14 | chaps0063 | asg, if i do ifconfig eth1 doesnt show up. |
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| 15:59.17 | madclicker | :) |
| 15:59.17 | vezult | tatoo: are you root? |
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| 15:59.34 | asg | chaps0063: but does if you use /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 15:59.56 | chaps0063 | no wlan0 |
| 16:00.01 | asg | chaps0063: does /sbin/iwconfig show an interface |
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| 16:00.34 | chaps0063 | it shows eth1 with all the wireless info. |
| 16:00.48 | chaps0063 | but iwconfig eth0 essid "my ssid" doesn't associate it. |
| 16:00.58 | furrywolf | jethro: I qualified it before... random hard lockups, always correlated to moving my usb mouse. (it never crashes if I'm not touching it at the time). no logs, no warnings signs, nothing, just box instantly hangs. not just X; it won't answer pings or magic sysrq either. tried swapping all the hardware I had spares for, and tried underclocking the cpu and ram, with absolutely no change in frequency, so I don't think it's a hardware iss |
| 16:00.59 | asg | chaps0063: iwconfig eth0 or iwconfig eth1? |
| 16:01.09 | chaps0063 | iwconfig eth1 |
| 16:01.10 | chaps0063 | sorry. |
| 16:01.15 | furrywolf | happens with all 2.6 kernels I've tried; I can't use 2.4 kernels on this box, so haven't tested them. |
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| 16:01.27 | incorrect | it must be possible to route traffic depending on the interfaces it came in on? |
| 16:01.28 | tatoo | vezult: yes |
| 16:01.31 | asg | chaps0063: okay, do that and then do iwconfig eth1 mode managed, iwconfig eth1 key off, and dhclient eth1 |
| 16:01.31 | vezult | brader: the mount point is the directory that the filsystem will be accessed from |
| 16:01.33 | jethro | furrywolf: hah it wont answer pings |
| 16:01.57 | asg | chaps0063: that information won't show association until you attempt to bind with dhcp or a static ifup foo |
| 16:01.58 | vezult | brader: so if i do mount /something /somewhere |
| 16:02.02 | chaps0063 | ok. |
| 16:02.05 | furrywolf | jethro: if it answered pings, that would mean just X was crashing... the fact that it doesn't means the kernel isn't running anymore. |
| 16:02.06 | nomed^ | is it necessary xbase-clients to have a working server x? |
| 16:02.11 | brader | hmm I can't get it to work |
| 16:02.19 | gothtec | I have hdparm set to spin down my drives after a certain amount of time. How can I tell which drives are not spinning? They are too close together to tell my touching them, because the vibrations from one affects the others. |
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| 16:02.33 | geemark | how come, when i start my debian it prompts me to "give root password for maintainance og press CTRL+D" every single time? As far as I can see, there is no errors during startup |
| 16:02.38 | brader | guess it reads this username as different from the domain username |
| 16:02.39 | vezult | brader: i will go to /somewhere in order to access the files that ar on the /dev/somewhere device |
| 16:02.40 | chaps0063 | asg, doesn't seem that its associating. |
| 16:02.43 | paulswm | gothtec: hdtemp will tell you |
| 16:02.47 | asg | chaps0063: are you using wep? |
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| 16:02.55 | chaps0063 | asg, i turned all encryption off. |
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| 16:03.04 | paulswm | gothtec: hddtemp I mean |
| 16:03.07 | vezult | tatoo: do you have the usb-storage module loaded? (modprobe usb-storage) |
| 16:03.13 | mwilson | geemark: Well, you have to actually read what it says on the screen. |
| 16:03.15 | brader | I am doing a mount -t smbfs //wws-test-eb02/music /home/brader |
| 16:03.23 | chaps0063 | asg, no dhcpoffers. |
| 16:03.27 | jethro | furrywolf: you're so funny :) |
| 16:03.28 | asg | chaps0063: try setting a static channel on the AP and using iwconfig eth1 channel foo |
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| 16:03.44 | lars-ut | Today I'm migrating a RH9 production server to Sarge... Are there install options/caveats for XFS with LVM & RAID 1 ? I'm new to RAID & LVM & would like the installler to do as much of this as possible while I still have a holiday to burn(Memorial Day today in the US). |
| 16:04.20 | chaps0063 | asg, seems like its doing the same thing again. |
| 16:04.23 | mwilson | lars-ut: You've done no testing? You're just going to switch it and hope, huh? |
| 16:04.26 | vezult | brader: you probably dont want to do that. if you make your home directory your mountpoint, it will hide all your files in your homedirectory until you umounit |
| 16:04.28 | furrywolf | jethro: are you actually planning on helping, or just being annoying? :P |
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| 16:04.48 | lars-ut | mwilson: Yep. I'm backing it up now. |
| 16:04.55 | asg | chaps0063: okay, make sure the access point is in fact running dhcp. |
| 16:05.02 | vezult | brader: it will think that the files in //wws-test-eb02/music are the only files in your home directory |
| 16:05.09 | chaps0063 | asg, i have my server doing dhcp. |
| 16:05.22 | chaps0063 | asg, and I know it works on windows side. |
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| 16:05.24 | jethro | furrywolf: I told you, either you pay me and I fix your problem, or you live with it since you seem unable to troubleshoot your linux system |
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| 16:05.28 | vezult | brader: have you tried reading the man page? type: man mount |
| 16:05.30 | asg | chaps0063: hmmm, okay. |
| 16:05.50 | sobersabre | what is the correct&standard way to add modules parameters lists to boot-loaded modules ? |
| 16:05.55 | furrywolf | jethro: in other words, you don't have a clue either, and know I'm not about to pay you so you don't have to worry about me noticing that? :P |
| 16:06.07 | paulswm | jethro: can't understand why someone would insult you and then expect you to help anyway |
| 16:06.08 | jethro | furrywolf: in other words !qotd51 |
| 16:06.12 | vezult | brader: try: man smbmount |
| 16:06.19 | chaps0063 | asg, the weird thing is the "iwlist eth1 scan" says it doesnt support scanning. |
| 16:06.27 | tatoo | vezult: just loaded it. |
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| 16:06.36 | asg | chaps0063: it's possible that the XP driver you installed is the wrong one. |
| 16:06.40 | chaps0063 | hmm... |
| 16:06.43 | jethro | paulswm: that's why I offered him to pay me |
| 16:06.48 | tatoo | vezult: i just loaded also sd_mod |
| 16:06.49 | sobersabre | chaps0063, which card, again.. ? |
| 16:06.51 | asg | chaps0063: did you check ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net to see if they had pointers? |
| 16:06.54 | jethro | paulswm: I certainly wouldn't help |
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| 16:07.00 | chaps0063 | intel pro/wireless 2200BG |
| 16:07.03 | sobersabre | are you sure eth1 is the wifi ? |
| 16:07.12 | lars-ut | mwilson: Can Sarge netinst handle LVM/XFS/RAID 1? |
| 16:07.14 | vezult | tatoo: now unplug your camera thingy and plug it in again. |
| 16:07.15 | chaps0063 | sobersabre, no wlan0 is around. |
| 16:07.19 | brader | ok |
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| 16:07.42 | sobersabre | chaps0063, why the hell do you try iwlist eth1 scanning ? |
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| 16:07.53 | vezult | tatoo: you can probably mount /dev/sda1 now |
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| 16:07.56 | sobersabre | and why don't you use normal ipw2200 drivers.. ? |
| 16:07.59 | peloto | ostias |
| 16:08.00 | jethro | chaps0063: I just tried ndiswrapper in your setup, and debian's ndiswrapper defaults to naming the interface wlan0 |
| 16:08.02 | peloto | ke coño es esto |
| 16:08.12 | chaps0063 | jethro, odd, it doesn't do it here. |
| 16:08.14 | peloto | viva lopera |
| 16:08.18 | sobersabre | peloto, it is que... |
| 16:08.21 | sobersabre | isn't it ? |
| 16:08.22 | peterrooney | i'm using gnome 2.83, metacity 2.8.8, enlgihtenment 0.16.7.2 on sarge. I went into <Menu> System Tools ->Configuration Editor <Dialog> desktop->gnome ->applications ->window_manager and set it to enlightenment (instead of metacity) but on restarting, gnome doesn't seem to want to honour the change. |
| 16:08.25 | jethro | chaps0063: maybe that's only sid's |
| 16:08.31 | jethro | chaps0063: hold on a sec |
| 16:08.34 | peloto | ke dice killo? |
| 16:08.35 | mwilson | lars-ut: I have no idea. I was just surprised that as a responsible admin, your way of finding out was to destroy the working box. |
| 16:08.42 | asg | peloto: .br? |
| 16:08.53 | peloto | ke es br |
| 16:08.54 | tatoo | vezult: no...i didn't see it. wierd...." usb device 3 is not claimed by any active driver" |
| 16:09.00 | asg | peloto: /j #debian-br |
| 16:09.04 | sobersabre | peloto, it is debian-es |
| 16:09.06 | sobersabre | :) |
| 16:09.09 | lars-ut | mwilson: THat's why I backup first. But who said I was responsible? |
| 16:09.15 | jez_ | My computer is connected to a switch which is in turn connected to an access point, which connects to my wireless router downstairs. if i ping another computer off the switch (such as my laptop), everything works, but if i ping the router then packets get dropped all over the place. Other computers on the same switch have no problems at all. Can anybody suggest why? Does it sound like it could be my adapter's driver's fault? |
| 16:09.15 | peloto | ya lo veo |
| 16:09.20 | tatoo | vezult: i remeber i mounted it once...not in this box but in another. |
| 16:09.26 | sobersabre | chaps0063, again, why don't you use ipw2200 module ? |
| 16:09.26 | peloto | estoy bicheando por aki |
| 16:09.36 | mwilson | lars-ut: Then wtf are you doing touching the box at all? |
| 16:09.49 | sobersabre | peloto, questa lingua te parlo ? |
| 16:09.50 | furrywolf | what the fuck. ##linux seems to think I have to register my nick to use the channel. guess they can all go fuck themselves then, as I don't see much of a reason to register it... |
| 16:10.05 | peloto | ke eres frances? |
| 16:10.06 | chaps0063 | sobersabre, ok, they are installed.. |
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| 16:10.18 | chaps0063 | sobersabre, so now? |
| 16:10.20 | peloto | yo rajo el andalu de pura cepa |
| 16:10.22 | vezult | furrywolf: so that I cant steal it and register it myself? |
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| 16:10.26 | lars-ut | mwilson: Is this an ethical lecture, or are you trying to impart Debian knowledge to me? |
| 16:10.38 | peloto | me voy a comer un bocaisho de chorizo |
| 16:10.38 | furrywolf | vezult: I'm figuring not many people would want this nick. |
| 16:10.57 | furrywolf | and that has nothing to do with why a channel would require registered nicks. |
| 16:11.07 | mwilson | lars-ut: Neither. I'm just making sure my classification of you as clueless is accurate. Carry on. |
| 16:11.08 | jurp5 | can anybody help me change the language of my debian system? |
| 16:11.17 | vezult | furrywolf: true, but if someone got ticked at you... |
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| 16:11.33 | chaps0063 | ok, i have to go guys, thanks for your help, i will be back later. |
| 16:11.34 | coderanger | has anyone else had problems where the sarge installer says it can't find any configured mirrors, but you can't find anywhere to configure them? |
| 16:11.49 | incorrect | if i have a default gateway of x , and i want to route traffic on a certain interface using a different gateway, would i do something like /sbin/route add -net 0.0.0.0 netmask 0 gw router_ip dev ethX |
| 16:11.53 | geemark | mwilson: sorry, was away - actually read what it says you say? the problem is, there are no errors or any reason - it just prompts me immediately before it starts loading gdm |
| 16:12.02 | lars-ut | mwilson: Nice ad hominem, lack of knowledge remarks. |
| 16:12.09 | furrywolf | then I'll introduce them to the wonders of a double-baralleled shotgun. unless they're in another country, in which case I'd decide it wasn't worth the plane ticket. |
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| 16:12.12 | mwilson | geemark: Unlikely. |
| 16:12.16 | resiak | jurp5: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 16:12.18 | pun- | can anyone here answer a ircd question ?:) |
| 16:12.33 | brader | Where is a safe place to mount to? |
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| 16:12.38 | resiak | brader: /mnt/foo ? |
| 16:12.39 | valdyn | incorrect: you want to route incoming packets differently if they are coming from a certain interface? |
| 16:12.39 | jurp5 | resiak : i've done that already but no results |
| 16:12.48 | incorrect | valdyn, exactly |
| 16:12.50 | jurp5 | i retry that |
| 16:12.50 | resiak | jurp5: Have you set your LANG environment variable appropriately? |
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| 16:13.03 | sobersabre | guys... what shall i do to set module parameters to a module on insmod ? |
| 16:13.05 | brader | Could not resolve mount point /mnt/music |
| 16:13.05 | valdyn | incorrect: that goes beyond route, thats something for iptables |
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| 16:13.10 | jurp5 | i've set it in etc/sysconfig/i18n |
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| 16:13.15 | incorrect | valdyn, aha |
| 16:13.19 | brader | I don;t have a mnt apparrently ;-( |
| 16:13.36 | mwilson | jurp5: Uh, Debian has no such file. |
| 16:13.38 | vezult | brader: any directory that isnt being used for anything else. you could create a directory /home/brader/music and mount your share on that |
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| 16:14.12 | jurp5 | i used kanotix to install debian |
| 16:14.20 | geemark | mwilson: i cannot seem to find it in the dmesg unfortunately |
| 16:14.21 | resiak | !kanotix |
| 16:14.27 | resiak | !test |
| 16:14.27 | dpkg | Sorry, resiak, I didn't get your test. |
| 16:14.35 | resiak | Who deleted the damned Kanotix factoid? |
| 16:14.39 | brader | ok now it's failing on the login again |
| 16:14.42 | mwilson | jurp5: You mean you installed Kanotix. |
| 16:14.44 | valdyn | incorrect: www.lartc.org or #iptables |
| 16:14.47 | jurp5 | yes |
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| 16:14.53 | sobersabre | hmmm... what shall i read to be able to set module parameters on boot ? |
| 16:15.04 | sobersabre | help me please.. :-/ |
| 16:15.14 | resiak | !kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix |
| 16:15.15 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
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| 16:15.19 | mwilson | jurp5: Then why would anyone here be able to help you with it? |
| 16:15.20 | brader | smbmount //wws-test-eb02 /home/brader/music -o username=brader/domain%password |
| 16:15.23 | asg | sobersabre: man 7 bootparam ; man 5 modules.conf |
| 16:15.27 | vezult | brader: i think the smbmount man page mentions the use of the options flag, which allows you to specify a username/password to log on with |
| 16:15.29 | brader | I get incorrect usage |
| 16:15.39 | sobersabre | asg, i think it is modules.conf, thanks! |
| 16:15.40 | iostream | Where did the new release date come from... Did is miss something? |
| 16:15.48 | jurp5 | it is debian |
| 16:15.52 | resiak | jurp5: No, it's not.. |
| 16:15.52 | incorrect | valdyn, i've read that web site, i didn't see much of any use |
| 16:15.53 | brader | vezult, I took that right from man pages |
| 16:15.54 | asg | iostream: you don't read debian-devel-announce |
| 16:15.55 | valdyn | brader: using smbmount directly is deprecated, try mount |
| 16:15.59 | terry | vezult: you want to mount a share some where? |
| 16:16.00 | resiak | !based on debian |
| 16:16.00 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 16:16.01 | Supaplex | killing X (ctrl+alt+backspace) resized my screen font to 25 lines from 50. is there anyway to restore the my origional font size? |
| 16:16.10 | vezult | brader: like so: mount -t smbfs //server/share /home/brader/music -o username=brader,password=blablah |
| 16:16.13 | iostream | asg: I only read DWN. :/ will check the archives then |
| 16:16.21 | jurp5 | no the install change it to a debian system |
| 16:16.27 | jurp5 | installer* |
| 16:16.37 | mwilson | jurp5: Since when? |
| 16:16.55 | valdyn | incorrect: then youre either lazy or dont know much about networking at all or your goal really is something else |
| 16:16.59 | resiak | jurp5: No, it doesn't. |
| 16:16.59 | jurp5 | i search for the script |
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| 16:17.05 | Wyzard | jurp5: If you have a file on your system which isn't in Debian, then evidently it didn't |
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| 16:17.37 | terry | vezult: http://redlight.org.uk/bsd/bitsbobs.html#smbfs |
| 16:17.44 | stupidkid | i removed ipv6 from my /etc/modules. HOw come it still load at boot up? |
| 16:17.45 | valdyn | incorrect: it does sound weird to me to route traffic differently depending on source ( though filtering after some criteria might makes sense ) |
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| 16:17.46 | Akselii | hey |
| 16:17.55 | Akselii | whats the graphical GUI for apt? |
| 16:18.00 | iostream | asg: Maybe you could point me to an URL? |
| 16:18.00 | brader | woohoo you rock vezult |
| 16:18.02 | jurp5 | in the script: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:18.02 | Wyzard | Akselii: synaptic |
| 16:18.05 | jurp5 | huh |
| 16:18.06 | Akselii | Wyzard: thanks |
| 16:18.09 | jurp5 | wrong |
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| 16:18.10 | mwilson | Akselii: There isn't one. |
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| 16:18.20 | jurp5 | update_status $"Converting Kanotix to Debian..." |
| 16:18.23 | mwilson | Akselii: There is a graphical package manager, synaptic. |
| 16:18.26 | asg | iostream: lists.debian.org (click developers, click debian-devel-annount, click may) |
| 16:18.27 | ronw | a relative newbie here and installed debian 3.0 rc5 of the cd. i plugged my orinoco card but it doesnt seem to be recognizing it. any docs i can read to get it to work? i thought this was a common card that would work with linux. yes, i did install the pcmcia package i believe on install |
| 16:18.36 | fhffhqvb | jurp5: that does not make it debian. |
| 16:18.36 | stupidkid | can someone help me there |
| 16:18.38 | mwilson | Akselii: But there is no graphical front-end to apt-get. |
| 16:18.45 | jurp5 | no it is larger |
| 16:18.47 | iostream | asg: I'm here.. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/threads.html Don't see it anywhere.. |
| 16:19.00 | stupidkid | i removed ipv6 from my /etc/modules. How come it still load at boot up? |
| 16:19.02 | jurp5 | but i can't paste the whole thing here |
| 16:19.06 | Akselii | mwilson: yeah, i meant synaptic |
| 16:19.08 | Wyzard | jurp5: It's possible for things other than the Debian installer to properly install Debian, but installing Kanotix and then "converting" it to Debian is not that |
| 16:19.18 | asg | iostream: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00020.html (the last item) |
| 16:19.19 | iostream | asg: Ah, see it now.. The list was sorted reverse of what i expected :/ |
| 16:19.22 | MobyTurbo | jurp5: most live CDs install something substantially different than Debian, even /sbin/init is different. |
| 16:19.35 | valdyn | incorrect: maybe it will be useful if you explain your goal of this, i cant give you an iptables script though either way |
| 16:19.36 | jurp5 | hmm |
| 16:19.43 | incorrect | valdyn, i have two machines running heartbeat on a private network, i float a vpn / firewall around, i just wan the inactive machine to be able to use the internal network route |
| 16:19.49 | vezult | ronw: 3.0 is really old. i would recommend using 3.1. its about to be released as the new stable, and has more current hardware support |
| 16:19.51 | Wyzard | jurp5: If you want to have Debian installed, it's best to get the official installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and use that. |
| 16:19.57 | stupidkid | oh nevermind |
| 16:20.00 | stupidkid | i got it |
| 16:20.03 | jurp5 | i have a cd |
| 16:20.04 | Akselii | jurp5: is there a convert script to convert to debiaN? |
| 16:20.06 | jurp5 | with it |
| 16:20.12 | jurp5 | no |
| 16:20.16 | Akselii | k |
| 16:20.17 | jurp5 | it's in the installer |
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| 16:20.19 | Wyzard | jurp5: Alternatively, look for documentation on using "debootstrap", but that's more work and you don't really have a need for it |
| 16:20.28 | Akselii | ooh |
| 16:20.34 | incorrect | i want to allow ssh to be externally visiable to i can get to the machine should i need to maint it |
| 16:20.36 | paulswm | !test |
| 16:20.38 | MobyTurbo | Akselii: even a script can't convert Knoppix and its decendants to Debian. Too many core packages are different |
| 16:20.42 | lostcause | Im unable to patch anything when I run the patch command it just sits there |
| 16:20.43 | Akselii | Wyzard: that way someone could convert to full debian from like knoppix? |
| 16:20.46 | brader | is there a windows terminal services client by maybe cyrex or somethign that I can use? |
| 16:20.56 | asg | paulswm: you could talk to dondelelcaro and see what's up. |
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| 16:21.00 | jurp5 | hmm |
| 16:21.06 | ronw | vezult, i also tried the latest knoppix and it did the same thing |
| 16:21.12 | jurp5 | i install debian then |
| 16:21.16 | resiak | Akselii: No. |
| 16:21.17 | asg | brader: rdesktop |
| 16:21.21 | Wyzard | Akselii: No, it doesn't "convert" anything... it's just a way to install Debian "manually" without using the install CD |
| 16:21.28 | paulswm | asg: I wrote to him here, he'll get it if he lastlogs |
| 16:21.35 | Wyzard | Akselii: (It's also what the official installer uses, under the hood) |
| 16:21.39 | asg | brader: the 1.4 version in sarge/sid even supports audio redirection. |
| 16:21.41 | Akselii | Wyzard: okay |
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| 16:21.50 | giupy | localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode.......it makes my pc slowly and i don't know how to stop that thing, i have a precompiled kernel 2.6.8-686 |
| 16:21.52 | vezult | incorrect: iptables --insert INPUT --protocol tcp --destination-port 22 --jump ACCEPT |
| 16:22.07 | Wyzard | jurp5: Kanotix's process of installing Kanotix, then "converting" to Debian is *not* the same as actually installing Debian |
| 16:22.10 | giupy | i have removed all cpufreq modules |
| 16:22.15 | brader | asg wow umm all I need is to connect to windows servers via a client and like administrate them |
| 16:22.15 | vezult | incorrect: you're looking for a rule to explicitly allow ssh connections, right? |
| 16:22.25 | asg | brader: then rdesktop is what you need. |
| 16:22.33 | incorrect | sigh |
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| 16:22.41 | incorrect | vezult, nothing that simple |
| 16:22.41 | vezult | brader: you could try vnc. |
| 16:22.44 | Akselii | Wyzard: so there are no way to convert one distro to debian? |
| 16:22.44 | asg | paulswm: ah, okay. |
| 16:22.50 | Akselii | Wyzard: i mean Deb based distros |
| 16:22.54 | schrankwand | hi, what you are using to rip audio-cds? |
| 16:22.54 | Wyzard | jurp5: The result is *probably* fairly similar, but we don't keep track of it so you're sort of on your own as far as any differences from actual Debian |
| 16:22.57 | resiak | Akselii: Why not just install Debian and save the hassle? |
| 16:23.00 | paulswm | Akselii: Not really |
| 16:23.01 | resiak | !tell schrankwand -about polls. |
| 16:23.01 | Wyzard | Akselii: No, not really |
| 16:23.05 | jurp5 | ok |
| 16:23.13 | jurp5 | i install debian unstable |
| 16:23.14 | valdyn | incorrect: you want your "inactive" machine to be treated like any other box in the network as long as it is "inactive" ? |
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| 16:23.33 | asg | jurp5: no, you will install debian sarge. |
| 16:23.37 | xtension | http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/4521.cfm |
| 16:23.39 | incorrect | valdyn, no because it has internal and external, the other machines only have internal |
| 16:23.52 | jurp5 | asg : i will install sid! |
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| 16:24.06 | MobyTurbo | jurp5: install Debian sarge, and if you want unstable you can dist-upgrade to it. There are no installation CDs for sid. |
| 16:24.07 | asg | jurp5: no, you will install sarge and then upgrade to sid (/msg dpkg sid faq) |
| 16:24.09 | resiak | !tell jurp5 -about sid faq |
| 16:24.11 | SNE | hi everyone. i have wireless network and a laptop. i just cant detect the pcmcia card and id it as ethX. any idea ? |
| 16:24.16 | valdyn | incorrect: but should it use the external interface while inactive? |
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| 16:24.25 | paulswm | jurp5: Don't forget that things may sometimes break in sid |
| 16:24.30 | incorrect | valdyn, yes its for maint |
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| 16:24.33 | brader | damnit this amrock thing won;t play my mounted directory ;-( |
| 16:24.37 | fhffhqvb | !sid faq |
| 16:24.38 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 16:24.47 | resiak | fhffhqvb: Why? |
| 16:24.51 | jurp5 | paulswm: i never had any problems |
| 16:24.58 | incorrect | i can either route internally or i can route externally |
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| 16:25.15 | incorrect | don't seem to be able to find a method to route per device |
| 16:25.24 | xtension | excuse : old news |
| 16:25.24 | Wyzard | jurp5: Sid isn't tested for direct installability... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't |
| 16:25.25 | resiak | jurp5: Not _yet_. If it breaks, we'll point and laugh. Just use Sarge. |
| 16:25.26 | r3tr0 | gleh. anyone successfully switched from raidtools to mdadm? i'm not getting autodetect at boot... |
| 16:25.31 | Akselii | bah |
| 16:25.32 | paulswm | jurp5: you can't tell the future by looking in the rear view mirror. |
| 16:25.36 | Akselii | i hate the new nvidia installer |
| 16:25.40 | incorrect | eth0 gw = gw1 eth1 gw = gw 2 |
| 16:25.43 | Wyzard | jurp5: Best to just install sarge, and if you really want sid, upgrade after installation is done |
| 16:25.44 | Akselii | i cant get nvidia drivers working :( |
| 16:25.48 | resiak | !tell Akselii -about nvidia howto |
| 16:25.48 | SNE | any one have a decent new laptop and using wireless ? |
| 16:25.49 | incorrect | that is the basic logic i want |
| 16:25.52 | jurp5 | i want the newest packages |
| 16:25.53 | asg | incorrect: sudo /sbin/route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev ppp0 (in my ghetto pppd over ssh poor man's vpn script) |
| 16:25.53 | resiak | !anyone |
| 16:25.53 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:26.04 | resiak | jurp5: Why, exactly? |
| 16:26.14 | resiak | jurp5: We're trying to protect you from having your system break on you... |
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| 16:26.21 | vezult | incorrect: you could use --in-interface...though perhaps i'm not sure what you're after |
| 16:26.23 | jurp5 | :P i want it ;) |
| 16:26.27 | brader | ahh man my soundcard isn't working |
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| 16:26.34 | asg | brader: /msg dpkg audio |
| 16:26.37 | Wyzard | jurp5: sid is where ne packages go to have bugs found in them so that the bugs can be fixed before they make it to testing |
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| 16:26.59 | MobyTurbo | jurp5: at any rate, there are no sid CDs. So you have to run Sarge (or woody) first and dist-upgrade to sid. |
| 16:26.59 | jurp5 | !who is younger then me? |
| 16:27.00 | dpkg | jurp5: what are you talking about? |
| 16:27.08 | Wyzard | jurp5: Things in sid therefore break on occasion |
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| 16:27.17 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: IIRC, D-I can install sid directly if you boot it in expert mode |
| 16:27.19 | Akselii | thanks resiak |
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| 16:27.33 | asg | Wyzard: the older ones could, I don't know if the new rc3 can. |
| 16:27.35 | jurp5 | MOBYturbo: net-install>>> expert26! |
| 16:27.39 | brader | asg it gives woody instructions are those the same as SID |
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| 16:27.48 | asg | brader: yes, they should be compatible |
| 16:27.58 | brader | no command modconf |
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| 16:28.03 | asg | brader: apt-get install modconf |
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| 16:28.10 | Wyzard | jurp5: There's nothing inherently wrong with running sid -- many of us here do, and it's important to have people to find and report bugs in sid -- but you should not do it just to get shiny new versions of things without understanding the implications |
| 16:28.12 | incorrect | eth0 (10.x) gw = 10.y eth1(82.x) gw = 82.y ie, if you connec to 82.x then you route back through 82.y if you are on the machine, it routes out though 10.y |
| 16:28.31 | valdyn | incorrect: i dont get what the purpose of this is supposed to be, however you can FORWARD packets depending on source or device or whatever just fine w/ iptables |
| 16:28.33 | MobyTurbo | interesting, I wasn't aware of that. At any rate I wouldn't reccomend installing sid just to get packages that for the most part are only 10 days to a couple of months older. |
| 16:28.39 | jurp5 | !kde 3.4 |
| 16:28.42 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:28.42 | dpkg | methinks qotd68 is <debianstarfish> can i get to the internet from here? |
| 16:28.46 | MobyTurbo | s/older/newer/ |
| 16:28.56 | Wyzard | jurp5: KDE 3.4 won't be in Debian until after sarge is released |
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| 16:29.04 | jurp5 | i know |
| 16:29.11 | tarzeau | jurp5: wanna try something new? |
| 16:29.16 | paulswm | jurp5: Plesae at least read http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ |
| 16:29.18 | jurp5 | yes |
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| 16:29.23 | tarzeau | jurp5: try gnustep |
| 16:29.29 | asg | incorrect: what does /sbin/route -n show for the eth1 interface? |
| 16:29.55 | Wyzard | jurp5: I think there's an Ubuntu derivative which uses KDE, that might have 3.4... but you won't get support for it here, since we don't use it |
| 16:30.04 | paulswm | tarzeau, you're always pimping gnustep :P |
| 16:30.06 | asg | jurp5: /topic #debian-kde |
| 16:30.22 | jurp5 | gnustep is ugly |
| 16:30.30 | mwilson | Wyzard: kbuntu, or kubuntu, or something like that. |
| 16:30.45 | Wyzard | Something like that, yeah... I've heard it mentioned here but never used it myself |
| 16:30.46 | jurp5 | i had bat experiences with ubuntu |
| 16:30.46 | DvChWi | kubuntu is it |
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| 16:31.09 | Wyzard | jurp5: Hopefully you filed bug reports so the problems can be fixed? :-) |
| 16:31.09 | mwilson | Wyzard: It's terribly amusing that the first thing most people can think to do with Gnome's wet dream is replace Gnome with KDE. |
| 16:31.30 | Ich | mwilson: it's sad, and says something about the state of the gnome project. |
| 16:31.35 | Wyzard | mwilson: The "most people" part of that sentence is completely made up by you. |
| 16:31.47 | Wyzard | mwilson: The most you or I can say is that a nonzero number of people prefer KDE. |
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| 16:31.55 | Ich | i think KDE is winning the desktop war |
| 16:31.55 | vezult | incorrect: it sounds as if you just want to avoid forwarding packets that come in the eth1 interface...am I misunderstanding what you are trying to do? |
| 16:31.58 | incorrect | asg, my route won't show anything interesting right now, i've turned off everthing |
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| 16:32.15 | jurp5 | i'm only 12 ;) |
| 16:32.16 | MobyTurbo | I think fvwm is winning the desktop war |
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| 16:33.02 | incorrect | seems like im confusing everyone |
| 16:33.03 | vezult | incorrect: you can use iproute2 utils to do routing based on packet source, etc |
| 16:33.06 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: KDE has already won the desktop war, if there ever even was one. Gnome just hasn't noticed yet, because they're too busy thinking they need to redefine how people should use their computers. |
| 16:33.25 | Wyzard | Here we go again, another mwilson-hates-GNOME rant |
| 16:33.27 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: I don't care for either one |
| 16:33.30 | jurp5 | gnome is stupid |
| 16:33.31 | vezult | incorrect: you can set up different routing tables so that packets from different networks are rounted diferently |
| 16:33.35 | jurp5 | i hate gtk |
| 16:33.40 | brader | damnit I still can't get sound to work |
| 16:33.45 | Ich | brader: you too? |
| 16:33.48 | jurp5 | alsaconf |
| 16:33.53 | Ich | jurp5: done that |
| 16:33.59 | Ich | sound now is selectively working |
| 16:34.00 | MobyTurbo | jurp5: gtk != gnome |
| 16:34.00 | jurp5 | hmm |
| 16:34.06 | valdyn | jurp5: which part of gnome is making gtk bad? |
| 16:34.09 | mwilson | Wyzard: Oh, no, I despise them both equally. |
| 16:34.14 | brader | I have no sound at all |
| 16:34.17 | jurp5 | gtk= ugly |
| 16:34.24 | jurp5 | alsamixer |
| 16:34.28 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: Uh, don't know if you noticed, but Gnome has controlled GTK completely for quite some time now. |
| 16:34.39 | valdyn | jurp5: now thats bs, gtk is completely themeable ( or whatever you want to call that ) |
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| 16:35.05 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: a gtk app is not neccesarily a gnome app. |
| 16:35.10 | Ich | jurp5: i have installed alsa |
| 16:35.16 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: Never said it was. |
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| 16:35.30 | Mask | I just did an apt-get upgrade and now X doesn't see my windows key as a modifier, but just as a regular key (I found this using xev) |
| 16:35.34 | jurp5 | i love qt ;) |
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| 16:35.36 | Mask | how can I fox this? |
| 16:35.38 | Mask | fix |
| 16:36.04 | Ich | send a bug report |
| 16:36.05 | Supaplex | Mask: fire it. =-D |
| 16:36.23 | Mask | I can't fire a key on my keyboard |
| 16:36.45 | brader | so I go to kernal drivers sound and I have 4 thigns checked ac97_codec which I can't remove i810_audio which is my chipset sound and soundcard nothing else is checked |
| 16:36.47 | Mask | besides, I like to use it with other keys to run different programs in X, but now xbindkeys doesn't see it as a modifier... |
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| 16:38.04 | resiak | !drxx Mask |
| 16:38.05 | dpkg | Mask: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 16:38.10 | resiak | Mask: Or use xmodmap and pals. |
| 16:38.17 | olem | hi |
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| 16:38.22 | jurp5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.47 | Ich | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 16:38.52 | Ich | how do i fix that? |
| 16:39.04 | resiak | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 16:39.05 | dpkg | from memory, mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 16:39.10 | Supaplex | use frosting ;) |
| 16:39.19 | Ich | thanks |
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| 16:39.37 | jurp5 | i gonna use sarge |
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| 16:39.51 | jurp5 | or gentoo |
| 16:39.56 | jurp5 | or lfs |
| 16:39.58 | brader | gah sound no work this sucks balls |
| 16:40.02 | resiak | jurp5: No-one cares.[ |
| 16:40.04 | brader | I might have to go back to windows |
| 16:40.11 | Wyzard | jurp5: From my experience, LFS is overrated |
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| 16:40.45 | jurp5 | overrated?? |
| 16:40.45 | jurp5 | what do you mean |
| 16:40.45 | Steven_ | lfs is a linux distro these days ? |
| 16:40.47 | Wyzard | jurp5: I did it once, hoping to learn all about what actually goes on "under the hood" in a system... instead I learned "configure; make; make install" over and over |
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| 16:41.20 | olem | a have a dsl problem, can somebody help ? :-/ |
| 16:41.20 | Wyzard | Steven_: There's a HOWTO somewhere that details all the stuff you need to compile and what options you need to use, etc. |
| 16:41.23 | Steven_ | Wyzard : LFS howto used to be good |
| 16:41.30 | Steven_ | bah |
| 16:41.30 | jurp5 | hmm |
| 16:41.42 | Steven_ | there's one thing you could do |
| 16:41.50 | jurp5 | i never find the right distro :( |
| 16:41.56 | Steven_ | I believe there is a from poweron-to-bash guide or sth |
| 16:41.58 | Wyzard | Steven_: Depends on how you define "good"... it gives you a working system, sure, but you're just following a cookbook, doing the same work a script would normally do |
| 16:42.00 | Akselii | jurp5: gentoo? |
| 16:42.07 | jurp5 | it's good |
| 16:42.15 | jurp5 | but i wan't to build |
| 16:42.20 | jurp5 | a lfs system |
| 16:42.25 | resiak | !tell jurp5 -about enter |
| 16:42.35 | jurp5 | but i don't have the time right now |
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| 16:42.59 | Wyzard | jurp5: I've been running sid for a little less than five years... I've found that it's a great way to learn, but sometimes the learning is "by necessity", as in needing to figure stuff out in order to make your system work again |
| 16:43.02 | luulis_ | jurp5: then build LFS system sometime but i dont think they are really useful for anything but timewasting |
| 16:43.11 | jurp5 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.53 | jurp5 | what distro have the most packages? |
| 16:43.57 | tarzeau | jurp5: debian |
| 16:44.07 | tarzeau | paulswm: it's fantastic :) |
| 16:44.10 | resiak | jurp5: No, seriously, the enter-after-every-three-words thing is _really_ irritating. |
| 16:44.16 | olem | a have a dsl problem, can somebody help ? :-/ |
| 16:44.18 | mwilson | As if quantity is somehow important. |
| 16:44.18 | Steven_ | debian seems to have the most packages in the main tree :) |
| 16:44.28 | jurp5 | ;) |
| 16:44.31 | paulswm | jurp5: chill, resiak gives a lot of his time in here helping, and he's right, no-one cares about what distro you choose, if you are going to install debian we'll answer your questions though. |
| 16:44.36 | tarzeau | mwilson: like isn't lenght? |
| 16:44.37 | Steven_ | by main I mean mainstream |
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| 16:45.00 | jurp5 | is there any distro dissccussion channel? |
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| 16:45.09 | Ich | so, who wants to help me with an arts (I think) issue? right now sound will work through amarok, which it says is using the gstreamer engine. i am currently trying to get gaim to make sounds when I receive IM's. |
| 16:45.17 | resiak | jurp5: ##linux? |
| 16:45.18 | Wyzard | jurp5: ##linux maybe |
| 16:45.19 | Steven_ | jurp5 : I wouldn't want to be on that channel |
| 16:45.29 | resiak | Ich: You can tell Gaim to use aRTs. |
| 16:45.30 | paulswm | jurp5: there are some distro comparisons on the web if you google |
| 16:45.45 | paulswm | Steven_: no shit, buddy :) |
| 16:45.49 | Ich | I think this is an arts issue, because gaim will make sound when i select "automatic" and have amarok closed |
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| 16:45.52 | Ich | but not when amarok is open |
| 16:46.03 | Terr0ristul | who can help me on something? |
| 16:46.06 | Ich | i have alsa 1.09, if that means anything |
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| 16:46.13 | Ich | !dpkg ask |
| 16:46.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 16:46.13 | tarzeau | !tell Terr0ristul about ask |
| 16:46.21 | Terr0ristul | ??? |
| 16:46.30 | Wyzard | Ich: Your problem, then, is that your sound card doesn't do hardware mixing, so it can only play sound from one source at a time. |
| 16:46.35 | paulswm | tarzeau: :D |
| 16:46.43 | Terr0ristul | ok...so.. |
| 16:46.47 | Wyzard | Ich: When amarok is running, it has the sound device open, so gaim cannot play sounds. |
| 16:46.48 | Terr0ristul | i want to install debian |
| 16:46.54 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 16:46.54 | Terr0ristul | im on windows now |
| 16:46.54 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 16:46.58 | Terr0ristul | i have debian 3.0 r5 |
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| 16:47.10 | Ich | Wyzard: i know that. i want to fix it. |
| 16:47.15 | Terr0ristul | what i want to know is if it supports my wireless internet card? |
| 16:47.16 | paulswm | Terr0ristul: see dpkg above |
| 16:47.24 | resiak | !tell Terr0ristul -about enter |
| 16:47.26 | Ich | Terr0ristul: very likely. |
| 16:47.28 | DerNasenmann | !d-i |
| 16:47.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 16:47.28 | Wyzard | Ich: That's one of the things aRTs is meant to solve, by doing mixing in software... it sounds like one of those two apps is simply not using aRTs |
| 16:47.31 | resiak | !tell Terr0ristul -about woody hardware support |
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| 16:47.42 | resiak | !tell Terr0ristul -about d-i |
| 16:47.45 | paulswm | Terr0ristul: the version you have (woody) won't |
| 16:47.48 | tarzeau | Wyzard: lots of people don't use arts |
| 16:47.54 | madclicker | anyone knows a good reseller or using T1 connection? |
| 16:47.54 | Steven_ | !tell Steven_ -about d-i |
| 16:47.55 | Terr0ristul | so which one will |
| 16:48.04 | qpee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.04 | Supaplex | let's see d-i one more time. ;) |
| 16:48.04 | resiak | Terr0ristul: Read what dpkg jyust told you. |
| 16:48.12 | paulswm | Terr0ristul: See dpkg d-i response above |
| 16:48.20 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Or esound, or whatever... but Ich asked about aRTs specifically |
| 16:48.27 | tarzeau | resiak: no, he wants to know which one makes his wireless work |
| 16:48.31 | Supaplex | qpee: what printing daemon/system you using? |
| 16:48.33 | tarzeau | Wyzard: even worse |
| 16:48.43 | jurp5 | hmm |
| 16:48.48 | tarzeau | Wyzard: look so many of them. i mean i can't support them all, can i? |
| 16:48.50 | jurp5 | XP SP2 whahaha |
| 16:49.01 | resiak | tarzeau: And the answer is Sarge. ? |
| 16:49.06 | Terr0ristul | so i intall the 3.1 version at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:49.07 | Terr0ristul | ? |
| 16:49.08 | Ich | okay, i set amarok to use arts, and now it freezes and crashed. |
| 16:49.09 | resiak | Terr0ristul: Yes. |
| 16:49.15 | qpee | Supaplex: well even a `echo 'foo' > /dev/usb/lp0` fails. i'm using the standard-drivers and the lp cmd-line tool |
| 16:49.15 | tarzeau | resiak: that he should just read |
| 16:49.27 | tarzeau | Terr0ristul: yes |
| 16:49.28 | Wyzard | tarzeau: That's why it's best to have a sound card which does hardware mixing |
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| 16:49.38 | Supaplex | qpee: dmesg > /dev/usb/lp0 ? fails in what way? |
| 16:49.39 | coolpix | wie kann ich in latex einen etwas größeren abstand machen, der den effekt von \\ \\ (was ja nicht geht) hätte? ich muss im \title einen größeren abstand haben... |
| 16:49.44 | Wyzard | Ich: That's odd... try some other apps which use aRTs |
| 16:49.45 | tarzeau | !de |
| 16:49.45 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 16:49.47 | resiak | !tell Wyzard -about dmix |
| 16:49.47 | coolpix | oh sorry, engliosh |
| 16:49.50 | coolpix | english :) |
| 16:49.51 | Ich | coolpix: frag auf englishc |
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| 16:50.06 | qpee | Supaplex: it was working when it was directly connected to the pc's usb-port. now i put it on a usb-hub and nothing works; it fails means for be that the printer does not get any data |
| 16:50.09 | olem | if i connect with my debian dsl driver, a try to start i.e mozilla-thunderbird and get an email, than thunderbird hangs, starting gkrellm takes 3 mins, but if i connect with a hardware dsl router, than everything is ok, somebody an idea what the cause could be? don't where to search |
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| 16:50.21 | paulswm | Terr0ristul: Actually, if you are a windows user and don't want to spend a lot of time setting up wireless on debian, you may want to consider ubuntu for a laptop install, but in that case don't ask here, ask in #ubuntu |
| 16:50.22 | Terr0ristul | so the version at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ has new hardware support? |
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| 16:50.34 | Wyzard | resiak: Heard of that, never used it myself, I think I heard someone say it doesn't work well, but I have no opinion of my own |
| 16:50.46 | olem | Ich: doch |
| 16:50.48 | tarzeau | Ich kanns auch |
| 16:50.48 | resiak | Wyzard: Works like an absolute dream, apart from for alsa oss emulation. |
| 16:50.57 | tarzeau | ich bin eine kleine zitrone! |
| 16:51.00 | Terr0ristul | i dont own a laptop |
| 16:51.06 | qpee | Supaplex: but dmesg recognizes it: usb 1-2.3: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6, drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 6 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04F9 pid 0x001A |
| 16:51.06 | resiak | Terr0ristul: Yes. It's three years newer. |
| 16:51.15 | Wyzard | paulswm: Actually, I helped a friend install Ubuntu on a laptop yesterday, and the wireless was the one piece of hardware that didn't work. :-) |
| 16:51.21 | Ich | tarzeau: great, but my sound still doesn't work. |
| 16:51.34 | paulswm | Terr0ristul: Well I was assuming that as it was wireless it was a laptop :) |
| 16:51.34 | Ich | or rather, arts doesn't |
| 16:51.35 | tarzeau | Ich: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/ see german.txt :) |
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| 16:51.46 | tarzeau | Ich: also german2 and 3 :) |
| 16:51.46 | Terr0ristul | soo...which operating system would u recommend..THAT works, instead of windows |
| 16:51.47 | Terr0ristul | ? |
| 16:51.58 | mwilson | OpenBSD. |
| 16:52.03 | resiak | Terr0ristul: You're in a Debian channel. What answer do you expect? |
| 16:52.03 | mwilson | Since you asked. :) |
| 16:52.03 | Supaplex | qpee: where did it say the device node? (/dev/...) |
| 16:52.05 | tarzeau | Terr0ristul: http://livecd.gnustep.org |
| 16:52.15 | Wyzard | resiak: dmix doesn't work with snd-pcm-oss ? |
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| 16:52.41 | resiak | Wyzard: *nods* That stuff happens too late for dmix to help. You can apt-get alsa-oss and wrap stuff with aoss foo and then it works. |
| 16:52.48 | qpee | Supaplex: it doesn't say anything about device nodes. |
| 16:52.49 | paulswm | Wyzard: I guess nothing works with everything, I'm going off accounts from others, but if ubuntu is failing to work with some wireless, then I won't say it again :) |
| 16:52.54 | Wyzard | ah |
| 16:53.20 | Wyzard | paulswm: Well, the issue is that there's no Linux driver at all for that particular wireless card |
| 16:53.25 | Terr0ristul | wots the gnustep thing? |
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| 16:53.33 | resiak | !tell Wyzard -about ndiswrapper |
| 16:53.33 | Wyzard | paulswm: But that seems to be a problem with quite a few wireless cards |
| 16:53.35 | Supaplex | qpee: do you see any kernel messages when you try to print raw to the device node? |
| 16:53.37 | resiak | !tell Terr0ristul -about gnustep |
| 16:53.38 | Wyzard | resiak: Yes, I know |
| 16:53.42 | resiak | Wyzard: :) |
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| 16:53.48 | paulswm | Wyzard: So ubunto doesn't do ndiswrapper as part of an install? |
| 16:53.49 | Terr0ristul | -about gnustep |
| 16:53.51 | Wyzard | resiak: I'll be trying that out next time I see the friend who owns the laptop |
| 16:53.53 | tarzeau | Ich: not funny? |
| 16:54.02 | tarzeau | Terr0ristul: it's TEH BESTEST! |
| 16:54.05 | mwilson | paulswm: No. |
| 16:54.11 | Wyzard | paulswm: Nope... I don't really see how it could, since ndiswrapper requires Windows DLLs to function |
| 16:54.14 | peterrooney | i am using gnome 2.8.3 on sarge. attempts to change the default window manager using <Gnome menu><System Tools><Configuration> have failed. The gome help system is silent on the issue. oddly, gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manger/default says `/usr/bin/enlightenment', but metacity is still used for the session. |
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| 16:54.58 | qpee | Supaplex: no errors. i just did it and the printer waked up from standby, but no data was received |
| 16:55.15 | Supaplex | qpee: did you print enough to use more then the first page? |
| 16:55.24 | paulswm | Wyzard: Well an install could if it asked you for the driver CD or something, but sorry that I was mistaken. |
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| 16:55.45 | qpee | Supaplex: no, nut why is that important? |
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| 16:56.09 | Wyzard | paulswm: Nope... I was surprised to find, though, that it *does* support resizing NTFS partitions from the installer |
| 16:56.13 | Supaplex | qpee: because it may not eject the first page until a form feed |
| 16:56.32 | paulswm | Wyzard: that's easy with ntfsresize |
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| 16:56.52 | Supaplex | qpee: something sticks out in my mind about printing to printer device nodes in the raw. I suggest you review the printing howto, and see if anything catches your attention. |
| 16:56.52 | Wyzard | paulswm: I know, but they've integrated it (sort of) into the installer |
| 16:57.06 | tarzeau | heh |
| 16:57.13 | tarzeau | |lastlog hehstats |
| 16:57.20 | Wyzard | paulswm: In the partitioner, if you view the details for an NTFS partition and change the Size field, it'll run ntfsresize |
| 16:57.27 | tarzeau | !hehstats |
| 16:57.28 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 19875 |
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| 16:57.52 | Wyzard | paulswm: (However, it doesn't show the ntfsresize output in the main installer display; you have to switch to VT4 to see the progress percentage) |
| 16:57.54 | qpee | Supaplex: on tldp? |
| 16:58.00 | helo | what is a nice mp3 player to replace xmms? |
| 16:58.00 | paulswm | Wyzard: I mean should be fairly easy to integrate, surprised it's not in the sarge installer. Actually I thought it was, but I do partitoning prior to installs so I wouldn't know. |
| 16:58.02 | helo | that has a low memory footprint |
| 16:58.02 | tarzeau | helo: madplay |
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| 16:58.11 | Supaplex | qpee: yea, or google for it |
| 16:58.12 | helo | ogg, mp3? |
| 16:58.14 | tarzeau | helo: or ocp. http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 16:58.20 | tarzeau | helo: yes both with ocp |
| 16:59.11 | qpee | Supaplex: but even pritning from OO gives me errors i have not had before. the drivers et all are fine. it's just how the devices are mapped in a usb-hub, i guess |
| 16:59.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:59.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd43 is <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
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| 16:59.44 | paulswm | Heh, that is a good qotd |
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| 17:01.07 | Akselii | how can i unrar a thing? |
| 17:01.14 | Akselii | unrar is a app to unrar stuffs? |
| 17:01.32 | Wyzard | Akselii: Yes it is, as its name implies |
| 17:01.37 | paulswm | Akselii: unrar |
| 17:01.42 | paulswm | Akselii: or rar e |
| 17:01.54 | Ischariot|MDMA | apt-get install unrar |
| 17:02.05 | Akselii | thanks ppl |
| 17:02.09 | sobersabre | has anybody seen this? http://www.novell.com/linux/windowstolinux/publicservice/ |
| 17:02.11 | Akselii | how can i add stuff to PATH? |
| 17:02.31 | Akselii | PATH=/home/example/path/to/binary/off/application ? |
| 17:03.23 | paulswm | Akselii: you need to read some tutorials, but, in your example, PATH=${PATH}:/home/example/path/to/binary/off/application |
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| 17:03.48 | sobersabre | Akselii, which shell is your login shell ? |
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| 17:03.52 | DerNasenmann | !madman |
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| 17:04.02 | Akselii | sobersabre: hmm? i use bash usually |
| 17:04.12 | jharrisonwk | how to send arp responses to some host? |
| 17:04.15 | paulswm | Akselii: and export $PATH, forgot |
| 17:04.18 | Akselii | sobersabre: it is meh login shell i think, but i like rxvt more |
| 17:04.37 | sobersabre | ok.. since csh based shells have other syntax. |
| 17:04.41 | helo | isn't there a apt task to install most common dev tools? |
| 17:04.43 | danko123456 | export $PATH=${PATH}:/home/example/path/to/binary/off/application then, but that only lasts as long as the terminal. |
| 17:04.54 | beardy | jharrisonwk: Why? |
| 17:04.55 | Akselii | okay |
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| 17:04.57 | Wyzard | helo: You mean build-essential? |
| 17:05.08 | jharrisonwk | beardy: arp posioning of course |
| 17:05.13 | Akselii | danko123456: then how can i make it last forever? |
| 17:05.14 | danko123456 | to have it automatic, add it to a priofile file....such as ./bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc if you have the same distro as I do. |
| 17:05.16 | Akselii | or until i remove |
| 17:05.25 | Akselii | okay |
| 17:05.41 | Wyzard | jharrisonwk: There are a few packaged tools for doing that, I believe |
| 17:05.53 | jharrisonwk | Wyzard: yes but I am writing my own |
| 17:05.54 | danko123456 | that that export line, append it. |
| 17:06.10 | jharrisonwk | I would have thought this is possible with arp |
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| 17:06.22 | helo | man... ocd has screwed up deps |
| 17:06.23 | xemon | hi, is it neccesary to download all 7cd's to install debian? isn't it possible to just get the install disk with minimal packages? |
| 17:06.30 | jharrisonwk | but I can only set my own arp tables with arp it seems |
| 17:06.37 | Wyzard | jharrisonwk: Then you must use raw sockets and construct the ARP packets yourself... I've looked into utilizing the kernel's ARP facilities directly from C code, and didn't find any way to do it. |
| 17:06.44 | beardy | !di xemon |
| 17:06.47 | Ronin | xemon: its possible but not necessarty to do that |
| 17:06.51 | mwilson | xemon: Dunno... is it possible for you to read the installation guide? |
| 17:07.15 | danko123456 | haha, mwilson:-p |
| 17:07.15 | Wyzard | jharrisonwk: I was interested in doing lookups, not spoofing responses, but I don't think there are APIs for either |
| 17:07.21 | jharrisonwk | Wyzard: ah I see |
| 17:07.38 | Akselii | eh |
| 17:07.44 | danko123456 | where you from, must be europe, you are all such brutes there:) jj, but serious, I mean, some manners are nice to have... |
| 17:07.44 | Akselii | now i need to do more learning... |
| 17:07.44 | jharrisonwk | Wyzard: so I would have to do it manually with something like libnet or some such |
| 17:07.50 | paulswm | Good one mwilson |
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| 17:07.53 | Wyzard | jharrisonwk: Yeah, I was about to suggest libnet |
| 17:07.55 | dpy | hi |
| 17:07.57 | beardy | !d-i xemon |
| 17:07.58 | dpkg | xemon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:08.05 | dpy | anyone here ever tried bluetooth on linux ? |
| 17:08.10 | jharrisonwk | Wyzard: ok that gives me an idea of where to look next |
| 17:08.12 | dpy | how do you set it up ? |
| 17:08.14 | jharrisonwk | Wyzard: thanks |
| 17:08.24 | danko123456 | dpy: I have a bluetooth mouse, Im sure you dont mean that... |
| 17:08.30 | sobersabre | dpy, it is a serial device i think... |
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| 17:08.44 | wwallace | hello 2 all |
| 17:08.48 | danko123456 | hi. |
| 17:08.52 | dpy | yes well the documentation is crap |
| 17:08.54 | sobersabre | hey wwallace |
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| 17:09.07 | wwallace | i have a FD-A2 floppy disk adapter can it work in linux? |
| 17:09.09 | dpy | it's either a faq or a list of 100+ highly specific howtos |
| 17:09.17 | dpy | I just want 1 single point of documentation |
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| 17:09.22 | paulswm | danko123456: depends on priorities, whether you want good manners or good advice :) |
| 17:09.25 | dpy | that tells me how to set up bluetooth |
| 17:09.27 | dpy | period |
| 17:09.34 | sobersabre | dpy, i think it should be something like: load a module, create a device, and establish a tunnel or run via minicom or something... |
| 17:09.43 | danko123456 | paulswm: every good advice can be said in a nice way... |
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| 17:09.59 | danko123456 | like, please read the installation manual at http://..... for instructins./.. |
| 17:10.01 | dpy | sobersabre: so where is the documentation ? |
| 17:10.12 | danko123456 | It is called finesses. |
| 17:10.16 | danko123456 | no s at the end, tho. |
| 17:10.19 | sobersabre | dpy, what is your device exactly ? |
| 17:10.19 | danko123456 | typo... |
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| 17:11.03 | dpy | I have a laptop with a bluetooth usb dongle and an ipaq with usb |
| 17:11.03 | dpy | the ipaq doesn't detect my laptop with the usb dongle |
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| 17:11.05 | Wyzard | wwallace: I've never heard of an FD-A2, but after some quick research online, it's apparently a device which lets you access a SmartMedia card using a floppy drive. |
| 17:11.13 | sobersabre | which dongle ? |
| 17:11.21 | dpy | the dongle is an rebrand and it only says mycom usb dongle |
| 17:11.31 | Wyzard | wwallace: Linux supports floppy drives, so if the adapter is meant to be used like an ordinary floppy disk, it should work. |
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| 17:11.48 | Wyzard | wwallace: If it needs special drivers, then probably not |
| 17:11.51 | sobersabre | dpy, is ipaq running linux or pocketpc ? |
| 17:11.58 | mwilson | Wyzard: That's that old thing that looks like a floppy, but has a slot on the side for the smartmedia chip. Windows needs a driver for one, so I'd assume Linux would too. |
| 17:12.01 | wwallace | Wyzard: using wine? |
| 17:12.09 | dpy | sobersabre: pocket pc |
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| 17:12.21 | sobersabre | dpy it can be a problem... |
| 17:12.35 | dpy | what ? |
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| 17:12.40 | Wyzard | wwallace: If it needs a special driver and that driver is only available for Windows, you're probably stuck |
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| 17:12.48 | wwallace | ok thanks |
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| 17:13.00 | sobersabre | dpy do you know the exact chipset as seen on lsusb ? |
| 17:13.00 | Wyzard | wwallace: It *might* work with Wine, but AFAIK Wine is meant mostly for running applications, not hosting low-level hardware drivers |
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| 17:13.11 | sobersabre | dpy, i mean the dongle ... |
| 17:13.12 | wwallace | try to transfer the picture from the camera right? |
| 17:13.14 | Wyzard | wwallace: I don't use Wine, though, so I can't say for sure |
| 17:13.37 | wwallace | Wyzard: ok thank u for your help |
| 17:13.50 | dpy | lsusb gives no output |
| 17:13.54 | dpy | not even my mouse |
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| 17:14.11 | Wyzard | wwallace: Note that you can get SmartMedia card readers, which connect via USB, pretty inexpensively |
| 17:14.11 | paulswm | danko123456: Everyone's different, you'll find patient and impatient people here, polite and blunt, you'll normally see impatience when someone is asking a question simply because they can't be bothered to look up the available information themselves. |
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| 17:14.21 | stupidkid | help please |
| 17:14.24 | Ich | couldn't he do tail -f /var/log ? |
| 17:14.29 | stupidkid | how do i remove ipv6 module |
| 17:14.32 | stupidkid | i won't remove |
| 17:14.33 | stupidkid | it |
| 17:14.34 | Ich | !tell stupidkid about ask |
| 17:14.50 | xtension | does konq support shortcut keys ? |
| 17:14.56 | stupidkid | i tried to comment out ipv6 in /etc/modules but it still load |
| 17:14.59 | stupidkid | why? |
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| 17:15.11 | linuxbomb | how would i make the default home folder something else like /var/home/username instead of /home/username |
| 17:15.31 | beardy | xtension: Most likely yes. Look under ther "help" menu? |
| 17:15.33 | Ich | Wyzard: does it matter why? |
| 17:15.39 | stupidkid | Wyzard, i don't like ipv6 |
| 17:15.48 | Lorvija | hey, is there a command line browser which supports javascript? |
| 17:15.57 | vezult | linuxbomb: look at /etc/adduser.conf |
| 17:16.01 | xtension | beardy yes i browsed their faq with no result |
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| 17:16.06 | Ich | stupidkid: did you check your entire /etc/modules file? |
| 17:16.07 | linuxbomb | ok |
| 17:16.14 | stupidkid | Ich, yes |
| 17:16.16 | Wyzard | stupidkid: You don't have to use it... but it's probably not worth the effort of preventing it from loading |
| 17:16.31 | Wyzard | stupidkid: Just don't configure any IPv6 addresses on your interfaces |
| 17:16.32 | stupidkid | Wyzard, it makes every slow |
| 17:16.46 | paulswm | modconf will do what stupidkid is asking won't it? |
| 17:16.48 | Wyzard | stupidkid: Anyway, it's probably being auto-loaded by the kernel when some application attempts to use it |
| 17:16.56 | qpee | man that can't be, windows handles my usb-printer on a usb-hib correctly, and i'm too dump to get it running on debian. (i've read the printing-howto and all) |
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| 17:17.15 | stupidkid | paulswm: i tried it but it won't remove |
| 17:17.16 | beardy | xtension: I mean under the Help menu (top-right corner?) Aren't there more help things there, other than the faq? |
| 17:17.19 | MobyTurbo | stupidkid: if you're thinking about Mozilla's (and Firefox's) lookup bug, you can disable ipv6 support in about:config |
| 17:17.19 | Wyzard | stupidkid: What kernel version are you using? |
| 17:17.20 | stupidkid | it says it's in use |
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| 17:17.35 | stupidkid | i use 2.6.8 |
| 17:17.45 | xtension | beardy ah you mean the handbook ? |
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| 17:18.24 | Wyzard | stupidkid: OK, then you're using modutils... add the line "alias net-pf-10 off" to /etc/modprobe.d/local |
| 17:18.24 | xtension | beardy thanks found it |
| 17:18.44 | beardy | xtension: I don't know, I don't have konqueror here, but that sounds like a good place to find the things you're looking for. |
| 17:18.48 | Wyzard | stupidkid: That will prevent the kernel from auto-loading the IPv6 module when something attempts to use IPv6 |
| 17:18.55 | beardy | xtension: no problem. |
| 17:19.15 | xtension | beardy i m ashamed ... its a menu option |
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| 17:19.32 | dpy | sobersabre: it's a CSR chipset |
| 17:19.33 | Wyzard | stupidkid: You'll probably need to reboot to remove the already-loaded module, though... you could try removing any IPv6 addresses from your network interfaces, but it might still be used by other internal kernel stuff too |
| 17:19.52 | dpy | sobersabre: apparantly the most common amongst USB BT dongles |
| 17:20.32 | Wyzard | stupidkid: oops, typo, meant to say you're *not* using modutils, you're using module-init-tools... sorry about that :-) |
| 17:20.38 | sobersabre | dpy, this is great |
| 17:20.53 | sobersabre | dpy, you need to load/install these drivers. |
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| 17:20.59 | nessuno | defiant.azzurra.org |
| 17:21.00 | sobersabre | i would go for kernel builup. |
| 17:21.26 | sobersabre | you need to compile the BT drivers. the prob. is there are several BT stacks underl lnux |
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| 17:22.05 | xtension | are there precompiled kernels which do NOT use initrd ? |
| 17:22.42 | Wyzard | xtension: Not in Debian, no... initrd is used so that the kernel can support a wide range of hardware configurations without having all the drivers compiled into it |
| 17:23.13 | sobersabre | dpy, http://www.nervous.it/hw/PalladioUSB_dongle.html |
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| 17:23.25 | Wyzard | xtension: Are you having a problem with initrd kernels? |
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| 17:23.29 | paulswm | xtension: I don't think so. |
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| 17:24.06 | sobersabre | dpy, got there ? |
| 17:24.28 | SWJustDK | Hi... Can anybody tell me if there are any protection against to many network connections within a given time in debian, I have a problem with proftp, which suddenly refuses connection under an installation of FC |
| 17:24.30 | dpy | yes one sec |
| 17:24.36 | xtension | Wyzard well i debootstrap en chroot into it , but when instlling a pre ccomp kernel it fails saying it cannot find / |
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| 17:25.26 | dpy | aargg |
| 17:25.29 | dpy | forget it |
| 17:25.33 | dpy | it doesn't work out of the box |
| 17:25.45 | dpy | this will take me several days to get it to work |
| 17:25.51 | dpy | don't have the time for that |
| 17:25.54 | xtension | Wyzard the error generated by mkinitrd |
| 17:26.02 | dpy | it should work out of the box or else I'll use it in windows |
| 17:26.10 | sobersabre | dpy, do it later... i use wifi to communicate with my gf's ipaq ;) |
| 17:26.33 | sobersabre | and i use myself to communicate with her |
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| 17:27.06 | Wyzard | xtension: You probably need to have /proc mounted in the chroot |
| 17:27.06 | Akselii | hmm |
| 17:27.12 | Akselii | how can i apt-get kernel sources? |
| 17:27.13 | xtension | Wyzard ah |
| 17:27.19 | Akselii | i would like the newest ones |
| 17:27.20 | xtension | Wyzard thanks |
| 17:27.21 | Wyzard | xtension: mount --bind /proc /where-your-chroot-is-mounted/proc |
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| 17:27.46 | Wyzard | xtension: Maybe /sys too, with a 2.6 kernel, but that's less likely to be necessary |
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| 17:28.24 | xtension | Wyzard so you bind the proc ? i use to mount -t proc proc /chroot/proc |
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| 17:28.36 | Akselii | kernel-tree-2.6.11 is that the package that has the kernel sources? |
| 17:28.59 | pastel666 | ello |
| 17:29.07 | Wyzard | xtension: That might work too, since proc probably supports being mounted multiple times, but other (non-virtual) filesystems can't so it's good to know about --bind |
| 17:29.28 | pastel666 | czy ktos tu owi popolsku? |
| 17:29.36 | Akselii | ENGLISH!!!! |
| 17:29.39 | Akselii | -_- |
| 17:29.52 | pastel666 | grrr |
| 17:30.15 | jethro | pastel666: what is your native language? |
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| 17:30.26 | jethro | ah polish I guess |
| 17:30.27 | jethro | !.pl |
| 17:30.28 | dpkg | .pl is, like, Poland (or a perl extension), or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 17:30.38 | pastel666 | ok thanks |
| 17:30.40 | stupidkid | Wyzard, sorry my mom called, yeah i installed module-init-tools |
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| 17:30.46 | stupidkid | i need to remove module-init-tools? |
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| 17:31.06 | Wyzard | stupidkid: No, there's nothing wrong with that... I was just correcting a mistake on my part |
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| 17:31.17 | jethro | wheras cn I git w4rez for debina linux? |
| 17:31.24 | Wyzard | stupidkid: module-init-tools (not modutils, as I'd said at first) is how you load modules for 2.6 kernels |
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| 17:32.04 | Akselii | jethro: eh? where can you get warez for debian linux? |
| 17:32.08 | Super_Cat_Frog | jethro - your gay |
| 17:32.19 | Super_Cat_Frog | (gay as in not cool, not gay as in a homo) |
| 17:32.24 | jethro | !gay |
| 17:32.24 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 17:32.28 | jethro | Super_Cat_Frog: you're stupid |
| 17:32.33 | stupidkid | Wyzard, /etc/modprobe.d/local dont even exists |
| 17:32.42 | Akselii | EWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 17:32.49 | Akselii | !lesbian |
| 17:32.49 | dpkg | i guess lesbian is probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/ |
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| 17:32.55 | Akselii | hahaha |
| 17:32.58 | Wyzard | stupidkid: That's OK, just create it |
| 17:33.05 | Wyzard | stupidkid: What's happening is that when an app tries to use IPv6, (which is IP packet type 10), the kernel does "modprobe net-pf-10" to load support for it |
| 17:33.06 | jethro | Akselii: I was actually mimic'ing dpkg's !irritate |
| 17:33.32 | Wyzard | stupidkid: And /etc/modprobe.d/aliases contains the line "alias net-pf-10 ipv6", so when the kernel does that modprobe, ipv6 support gets loaded |
| 17:34.09 | Wyzard | stupidkid: You're overriding that alias so that attempts to load support for IP protocol 10 will fail, and the kernel will not automatically load IPv6 support when a program tries to use it |
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| 17:35.31 | stupidkid | Wyzard, i have alias net-pf-10 ipv6 in my /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 17:35.37 | stupidkid | do you want me to remove this line? |
| 17:35.40 | stupidkid | alias net-pf-10 ipv6 |
| 17:35.54 | brader | damn anyone get sound working on a i810 chipset? |
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| 17:36.37 | geemark | " unable to make backup link of `./bin/ls' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
| 17:36.37 | geemark | " |
| 17:36.50 | geemark | why is that permitted when running as root? |
| 17:37.03 | geemark | trying to apt upgrade coreutils |
| 17:37.15 | Akselii | geemark: bight be because of permissions? |
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| 17:37.38 | Wyzard | geemark: Do you mean "why is that *not* permitted when running as root?" |
| 17:37.41 | Akselii | might be* |
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| 17:38.14 | brader | damn what ti sthe configuring call for x-windows |
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| 17:38.39 | drac | !drxx brader |
| 17:38.40 | dpkg | brader: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 17:38.46 | geemark | Wyzard: hmm, weird - it seems some files are owner by a user "122" with group "114" that apparently doesn't exist - isn't root supposed to own/bin/ls etc |
| 17:38.59 | brader | thanks drac |
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| 17:39.13 | Wyzard | geemark: yes, it should |
| 17:39.25 | geemark | ant yes, that's what i meant :D |
| 17:39.47 | Wyzard | geemark: First things first... you should unmount (or remount read-only) and "fsck -f" your filesystem |
| 17:39.47 | kurtak | where do you guys get the newest kernels? |
| 17:39.59 | Wyzard | kurtak: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 17:40.05 | geemark | keurtak: kernel.org |
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| 17:40.18 | kurtak | Wyzard, i do that, but the newest i get is 2.6.8 |
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| 17:40.36 | sobersabre | kurtak, where do you get the newest kernel from ? |
| 17:40.37 | geemark | "chown: changing ownership of `ls': Operation not permitted" |
| 17:40.41 | Wyzard | kurtak: That's the version that's in sarge |
| 17:40.51 | sobersabre | geemark, lsattr ls |
| 17:40.53 | kurtak | Wyzard, oh, what's 2.6.11 ? |
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| 17:41.02 | Wyzard | kurtak: That's the version for which the sarge security team will backport security fixes |
| 17:41.11 | geemark | sobersabre: ---ia----------- ls |
| 17:41.22 | sobersabre | bingo! |
| 17:41.24 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 17:41.31 | sobersabre | it is immutable |
| 17:41.40 | sobersabre | you need to change that. |
| 17:41.49 | caphuso | geemark: i think you might want to investigate if you had some filesystem corruptions |
| 17:41.57 | Wyzard | kurtak: You can build your own 2.6.11, or use the kernel-image-2.6.11 from sid, but you lose the benefit of that security support and you have to keep track of security problems yourself, and upgrade kernels as necessary |
| 17:42.16 | sobersabre | caphuso, why would he have immutable ls unless he/some1 did it by purpose ? |
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| 17:42.18 | Wyzard | kurtak: Unless you actually need a feature which is only available in a later version, it's best to stick with sarge's 2.6.8 |
| 17:42.22 | caphuso | sobersabre: filesystem corruption |
| 17:42.23 | geemark | caphuso: yeah, might be a good idea |
| 17:42.40 | sobersabre | what means 'a' in lsattr ? |
| 17:42.41 | geemark | sobersabre: how do i change that? |
| 17:42.48 | caphuso | geemark: and don't mess with the filesystem. you might break it worse, loosing even more data |
| 17:42.56 | Wyzard | geemark: fsck the filesystem *before* you change anything |
| 17:43.03 | geemark | roger |
| 17:43.19 | sobersabre | geemark, even better init 1 |
| 17:43.25 | peritus | sobersabre: append only |
| 17:43.26 | sobersabre | and then fsck |
| 17:43.31 | sobersabre | peritus, ok |
| 17:43.31 | geemark | too bad it's my webserver |
| 17:43.35 | Ich | what's a command to play a wav file that will go through arts? |
| 17:43.40 | sobersabre | geemark, how old is its hd ? |
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| 17:43.47 | caphuso | geemark: and check dmesg output and /var/log/* |
| 17:43.48 | guestish | hi |
| 17:43.51 | geemark | a few years |
| 17:43.57 | sobersabre | geeeeee |
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| 17:44.09 | Akselii | o_O |
| 17:44.09 | sobersabre | buy a new 1. |
| 17:44.15 | Akselii | me really bored is |
| 17:44.16 | Akselii | YEAH! |
| 17:44.32 | sobersabre | Akselii, is this an icon of backup tape ? |
| 17:44.40 | Akselii | what is? |
| 17:44.43 | Akselii | hat thing? |
| 17:44.44 | geemark | sobersabre: 2 years is no age for a disk - i'm not made of money |
| 17:44.45 | sobersabre | o_O |
| 17:44.49 | kurtak | Wyzard, thanks much. I need a patch to help me with acpi, and on bugme.osdl.org, it's called "whitelist patch for 2.6.11-rc4". Do i need that exact kernel to use the patch? |
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| 17:44.52 | Akselii | haha |
| 17:44.54 | Akselii | no |
| 17:44.58 | Akselii | its a smiley hhahaehahehawheahe |
| 17:45.08 | PeTeRB | Akselii: I'd call that a confusey though. |
| 17:45.08 | Akselii | O_O o_o O_o O_O o_O |
| 17:45.08 | sobersabre | geemark, it makes the warranty expire though.... |
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| 17:45.19 | wwallace | anyone here plays xmame? |
| 17:45.24 | geemark | sobersabre: what does? |
| 17:45.29 | sobersabre | 2 years |
| 17:45.31 | jethro | wwallace: /msg dpkg polls |
| 17:45.37 | geemark | ;) |
| 17:45.44 | Wyzard | kurtak: If it was made against that version, that's the version you can be sure the patch will apply to without problems, but it may work with other versions too |
| 17:46.02 | sobersabre | geemark, if this is a production server, get new one, put this one into a freezer. |
| 17:46.11 | Wyzard | kurtak: At any rate, if you have to use a custom kernel patch, you're going to have to compile your own kernel, rather than using one of Debian's kernel-image ones |
| 17:46.11 | sobersabre | then load it and dump it. |
| 17:46.21 | sobersabre | i mean dd. |
| 17:46.21 | Wyzard | sobersabre: You're jumping the gun and assuming that the disk is failing |
| 17:46.37 | sobersabre | Wyzard, i am. |
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| 17:46.39 | sobersabre | :) |
| 17:47.01 | sobersabre | Wyzard, there's need to try see something in the logs... |
| 17:47.02 | Wyzard | sobersabre: That's not the only possible cause for filesystem corruption, not by a long shot |
| 17:47.02 | geemark | i've found bad blocks on it before - not on that partition though |
| 17:47.14 | Wyzard | geemark: Oh... nevermind, then, you definitely shoulr replace the drive |
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| 17:47.49 | sepen | anyone has program dpkg?¿¿? |
| 17:48.09 | Wyzard | geemark: Modern hard drives have "spare sectors" which they use to internally remap failing blocks before they fail completely... if you ever actually *see* a bad block on the drive, it means that the drive has already transparently remapped so many of them that it ran out of spares |
| 17:48.09 | sepen | can i use it¿??¿?¿ |
| 17:48.13 | Akselii | sepen: what distro you got? |
| 17:48.19 | sepen | debian sid |
| 17:48.20 | Akselii | sepen: its in debianj |
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| 17:48.28 | Akselii | sepen: you should have it |
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| 17:48.48 | Knight_Lord | sepen son, go easy on the punctuation. |
| 17:48.55 | beardy | sepen: Please use only one question mark "?". |
| 17:48.56 | sepen | and how i can use it at irc |
| 17:48.58 | sepen | ¿? |
| 17:49.09 | sepen | sorry |
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| 17:49.13 | Akselii | sepen: what you meaN? |
| 17:49.20 | Wyzard | geemark: If it's a SCSI disk, you can low-level format it to do a new scan for surface defects and allocate more spare sectors, but the problem will likely only get worse |
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| 17:49.30 | sepen | sorry for my english |
| 17:49.45 | mops | is there some stereometric program for linux? |
| 17:49.46 | Akselii | sepen: |
| 17:49.49 | sepen | i would have this bot for my channel |
| 17:49.50 | Akselii | sepen: no problems |
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| 17:49.56 | sepen | it could be? |
| 17:49.56 | Akselii | sepen: yeah? |
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| 17:50.05 | geemark | Wyzard: it's an ide disk - i think i'll go with the buy-new-one approach |
| 17:50.18 | sepen | i have an irc server and i would put it them |
| 17:50.27 | mops | I mean something in which I can paint stereometry of cube etc. |
| 17:50.35 | Akselii | sepen: you have a irc deamon. and what you need to put in it? |
| 17:50.55 | sepen | are there any guide¿? |
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| 17:51.03 | Wyzard | geemark: The drive might still be under warranty... go to the manufacturer's website and download their diagnostic tool to get an error code you can use in an RMA request |
| 17:51.04 | sepen | sorry '?' |
| 17:51.29 | geemark | what server harddisk would you recommend? i don't demand that much of size and speed, the price is the most important factor - however, it should be suitable for 24/7 operation |
| 17:51.35 | Akselii | sepen: what you mean?? |
| 17:51.42 | Knight_Lord | geemark all hd fail |
| 17:51.43 | geemark | Wyzard: i might try that |
| 17:51.47 | Akselii | sepen: what you want to add to your ircd? |
| 17:51.55 | Knight_Lord | geemark maxtor tend to be cheap |
| 17:51.56 | geemark | Knight_Lord: i know, but some more than others |
| 17:52.13 | geemark | the present is a Maxtor |
| 17:52.18 | sepen | first of all , dpkg is a bot? |
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| 17:52.28 | caphuso | dpkg: what are you? |
| 17:52.28 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 17:52.29 | Wyzard | geemark: Note that low price and reliability are usually diametrically opposed |
| 17:52.30 | wers | can i make xterm run with a transparent background in kde? |
| 17:52.33 | sepen | or is the same i have on my compouter? |
| 17:52.33 | caphuso | wers: no |
| 17:52.34 | robin_sz | geemark: speed, reliability, cheap. pick any two |
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| 17:52.43 | wers | caphuso k thx |
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| 17:53.02 | Knight_Lord | geemark for now hitachi is my favourite for reliability |
| 17:53.17 | Knight_Lord | geemark but i've never tried WD for example |
| 17:53.22 | rage | wers: aterm can however. Might be worth checking out. |
| 17:53.24 | Akselii | sepen: dpkg is a application to install stuff |
| 17:53.25 | Knight_Lord | geemark i'm also talking about SATA |
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| 17:53.29 | paulswm | geemark: I use Maxtors, most have been good but I've had a couple of early failures. |
| 17:53.32 | robin_sz | geemark: I recommend any small (< 36gb) mid-price SCSI |
| 17:53.52 | wers | rage : thx,, is it as fast? |
| 17:53.52 | beardy | wers: Probably not. Take a look at aterm. (and it's manpage) |
| 17:53.58 | Knight_Lord | geemark if you want reliability why not use raid? |
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| 17:54.01 | Akselii | sepen: like if i would like to install cedega, i would type dpkg -i cedega.deb |
| 17:54.14 | Akselii | sepen: so if you want eggdrop to your server |
| 17:54.17 | rage | wers: Not sure, its certainly speedier than the kde terminal |
| 17:54.24 | Akselii | get the deb file or find it from apt packages |
| 17:54.43 | sepen | Akselii: i have an irc server (ircd-ircu), how I can use /msg dpkg on my server? |
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| 17:54.58 | wers | mm. .fast enough.. thanx guys |
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| 17:55.08 | geemark | robin_sz: "pick any two?" price and reliability ;) |
| 17:55.13 | rage | no problem :-) |
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| 17:55.31 | Akselii | sepen: DPKG IS NOT A SERVICE BOT, go find a service bot for ircd-ircu, google ircd-ircu service bot or something liek that |
| 17:55.35 | jethro | sepen: you can /msg anyone on any server. it doesn't mean there will be a blootbot named dpkg on your server, which will answer the same as dpkg on freenode |
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| 17:56.00 | Knight_Lord | geemark i don't have experience with small hitachi HD but the big ones are good |
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| 17:56.10 | geemark | thanks for the advice all |
| 17:56.14 | robin_sz | geemark: OK, then try a 9gb IBM low-rpm SCSI .. they go on forever |
| 17:56.17 | sepen | Akselii: thanks for all |
| 17:56.20 | karsten | abrotman: Ping |
| 17:56.23 | karsten | !seen abrotman |
| 17:56.23 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (5h 18m 40s). Has said a total of 102630 messages. Is idling for 3h 31m 54s |
| 17:56.32 | sepen | Akselii: im going to Google |
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| 17:56.53 | paulswm | sepen: Akselii is incorrect, install debian packages using apt-get install, not dpkg -i |
| 17:57.22 | Knight_Lord | geemark Hitachi HD are basically the old IBM HD division |
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| 17:57.44 | Ronin | sepen: you have to install an application in this case i belive its one called blootbot |
| 17:57.46 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! Do you get ORCE or ORCAD from your usual sources.list or it is just me? At least, I thought that Gnu-Orcad was in distrib or somewhere in the repos but I do not seem to be able to find it. thanks |
| 17:57.48 | inu | !tell sepen about blootbot |
| 17:57.53 | Knight_Lord | without the deathstars |
| 17:57.56 | karsten | Anyone here know how to troubleshoot / test postfix or exim connectivity from cmdline? |
| 17:58.07 | paulswm | sepen: If you go outside the debian distro is the only time you need to install with dpkg -i, for instance if you build your own kernel |
| 17:58.16 | jethro | karsten: nc localhost 25 ? |
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| 17:58.23 | karsten | I'm trying to help someone with an ISP mail sending error, I'm having similar issues. |
| 17:58.24 | vezult | in apache2, how does one disable a given handler for a specific directory? |
| 17:58.34 | mwilson | You can't be the ACTUAL karsten... he wouldn't have to ask. |
| 17:58.42 | karsten | jethro: There's a whole mess of sendmail commands that can be used at slightly higher levels of detail. |
| 17:59.00 | karsten | jethro: ...and which also incorporate MTA configs such as SMTP auth, which are an issue here. |
| 17:59.01 | vezult | i'm using mod_python, but want to disable the execution of .py files in one particular directory so that folks can download them. |
| 17:59.04 | brader | kasten what is the error |
| 17:59.08 | sepen | thanks, the problem is taht my irc server isn't linked with freenode |
| 17:59.19 | jethro | karsten: testing connectivity from the commandline made me think of telnet / nc. you sounded like you had _connect_ivity issues |
| 17:59.46 | brader | Damn man anyone know how to get sound working with an i810 chipset since dpkg suggestion sucked |
| 17:59.51 | sepen | i know bobot++ and argobot, is blootbot more powerful? |
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| 18:00.08 | jethro | sepen: yes |
| 18:00.08 | karsten | jethro: s/connectivity/functionality/ Issue is remote side errors. |
| 18:00.10 | streuner | brader: modprobe i810_audio |
| 18:00.15 | brader | karsten you having problems with postfix? whats the error |
| 18:00.18 | vezult | modprobe snd_i810 |
| 18:00.19 | bbrazil | vezult: try changing the content-type to text/plain |
| 18:00.22 | jethro | karsten: ok. |
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| 18:02.08 | karsten | brader: Sec. |
| 18:02.32 | karsten | brader: What I'm looking for is how to feed a RFC822/821 compliant message w/ headers directly to postfix. |
| 18:02.34 | vezult | bbrazil: i'd rather have my handler to do anything. I just want to be have a directory where the handler isnt active. is there any sort of unsethandler directive? |
| 18:02.49 | bbrazil | vezult: I think there is |
| 18:02.59 | vezult | i tried SetHandler None, with no luck |
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| 18:03.40 | karsten | brader: Various errors: 500 unrecognized command, 550 Please configure your mail client to use authentication. Too many concurrent SMTP connections from this IP address. That's a mix of postfix & exim messages. |
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| 18:04.00 | rigg | someone knows abot a good gui for apache on mepis? |
| 18:04.03 | jethro | karsten: what is the remote MTA, postfix as well? |
| 18:04.05 | bbrazil | vezult: it must work via something else then |
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| 18:04.46 | jethro | karsten: I m just trying to get a clear picture, so I can eventually think of an appropriate solution |
| 18:04.50 | karsten | jethro: Dunno. Smarthosted through Earthlink, which uses a mix of exim and homebrew. |
| 18:05.08 | jethro | karsten: ok |
| 18:05.14 | karsten | jethro: What I'd like is a command-line recipie to attempt message delivery and show, on commandline, any remote server output. |
| 18:05.30 | karsten | jethro: ...utilizing the current MTA config. |
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| 18:05.48 | jethro | karsten: can you just use postfix for that with a set of switches? |
| 18:06.16 | karsten | jethro: That's what I'm asking ;-) |
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| 18:06.37 | karsten | jethro: Eg: echo -e "This is a test\n." | /usr/sbin/sendmail karsten |
| 18:06.37 | jethro | karsten: I d look at some sort of debug mode for postfix, or use a homebrewed script |
| 18:06.42 | madclicker | how can I get .procmailrc to work in debian? |
| 18:07.03 | karsten | jethro: ...will send the message "This is a test" to my local user account. No remote side response though. |
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| 18:08.19 | karsten | jethro: ...I'm using exim here. But both exim and postfix are sendmail-compatible @ CLI. |
| 18:08.19 | bbrazil | vezult: removehandler ? |
| 18:08.46 | paolob | Hi guys! mc 4.6.1-pre3 doesn't begin until it connects the dial-up modem. Any idea of the reason. It never did that before. |
| 18:08.53 | vezult | bbrazil: i'm trying that next. I'm trying SetHandler default-handler ATM. |
| 18:09.26 | schrankwand | cu |
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| 18:10.40 | LordWolF | i have a network question no problem with that? |
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| 18:11.10 | bwlang | LordWolF: just ask |
| 18:11.14 | LordWolF | ok |
| 18:11.21 | vezult | bbrazil: that seemed to work, thanks. |
| 18:11.33 | bbrazil | vezult: google is good |
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| 18:11.39 | jethro | karsten: I m sorry I can't think of any way to do what you want to do, other than using sendmail/mutt and look at your mta's log |
| 18:11.40 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 18:11.51 | vezult | bbrazil: yeah, so is apache docs ;-/ |
| 18:11.53 | amorphix | i have a couple of questions (not related to Wacom tablets) |
| 18:12.03 | brader | omg my screen has totally locked up |
| 18:12.06 | vezult | bbrazil: i shoulda looked there first. thanks for the help though |
| 18:12.10 | brader | I lost mouse clicking ability |
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| 18:12.20 | bbrazil | vezult: which is handily enough what google pulled up for me ;) |
| 18:12.32 | brader | I can keyboard command all over the place but my mouse click stopped working |
| 18:12.42 | amorphix | ermm.. would it be possible to allocate some space on my RAID and have that space show up on a Windows sys on my LAN as a virtual drive |
| 18:12.55 | bwlang | brader: hardly an omg situation... restart gpm if you're using it... or restart X if not |
| 18:12.59 | LordWolF | im setting up a proxy on a Debian box i dont have a server all the computers are direct to the internet so i want to add the browser of all computers to use the proxy one thing i did was went to the proxy option add the ip and port and is working but is there another way i can get all computers to use it without having a server, im going to have a server but i need something to be working for now |
| 18:13.02 | Wyzard | brader: Unplugged mouse? Cordless mouse with dead batteries? |
| 18:13.08 | mwilson | oooh, new dspam and I didn't even know... |
| 18:13.13 | brader | no its a ps2 3 button |
| 18:13.13 | ArcSine | how can i reinstall a package and overwrite all changes to the configuration files? |
| 18:13.22 | brader | the cursor moves |
| 18:13.25 | karsten | jethro: This seems to do it: echo -e "This is a tset\n." | /usr/sbin/sendmail -v recipient@example.com |
| 18:13.27 | brader | jus can;t click |
| 18:13.40 | takatumi | I can't seem to import downloaded .debs with apt-proxy-import -i /var/cache/apt/archives. All the .debs are skipped eg. "apt-proxy_1.9.30_all.deb skipped - no suitable backend found". I do have back-ends defined in /etc/apt-proxy/apt-proxy-v2.conf and also successfully did an update from the client after pointing the sources.list to the apt-proxy server. The changelog for 1.9.30 mentions "Closes: #277916: /usr/sbin/apt-proxy-import: apt-proxy-import ... |
| 18:13.46 | takatumi | ... doesn't work- no suitable backend found". clues? |
| 18:13.50 | amorphix | is that sort of thing possible in Linux? |
| 18:13.51 | brader | I am goign to restart x |
| 18:13.55 | jethro | karsten: ok |
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| 18:14.32 | bwlang | LordWolF: you want a transparent proxy... to do that you need to redirect port 80 on your router to the proxy server... if you don't have control over your router you can' do this. |
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| 18:14.53 | amorphix | whats the command to check the status of a raid? |
| 18:14.58 | LordWolF | got it |
| 18:14.59 | LordWolF | mmmm |
| 18:15.00 | Triffid_Hunter | bwlang: could do it on his desktop? |
| 18:15.05 | Wyzard | amorphix: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 18:15.11 | amorphix | Wyzard thanks |
| 18:15.12 | LordWolF | yes i have access to the router |
| 18:15.14 | karsten | OK, second exim question: how do I fix this error? failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/wait-remote_smtp: File exists |
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| 18:15.40 | Triffid_Hunter | bwlang: as just redirect dest port 80 in output chain to proxy? |
| 18:15.45 | chops | So I'm having trouble with a SCSI tape changer. I say 'mtx noattach load 1', which AFAICS is what I want to do, and I get an 'Illegal Request' error. Does anyone have advice for me? |
| 18:15.47 | bwlang | LordWolF: then google for transparent proxy redirect... should be pretty easy to set up |
| 18:15.56 | robin_sz | Foobar |
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| 18:15.58 | LordWolF | thanks thats what im doing |
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| 18:16.01 | LordWolF | >:) |
| 18:16.19 | chops | ("noattach" seems to be necessary on this changer; otherwise even commands like 'status' give me Illegal Request) |
| 18:16.25 | bwlang | Triffid_Hunter: right - of course you have to exempt the proxy server from redirection... |
| 18:16.37 | chops | (this is Debian woody with a 2.4.28 kernel.org kernel) |
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| 18:17.33 | stelki | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.36 | stelki | woops |
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| 18:18.37 | amorphix | ermm.. would it be possible to allocate some space on my RAID and have that space show up on a Windows sys on my LAN as a virtual drive |
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| 18:18.53 | smhar | hi everybody |
| 18:18.56 | amorphix | hi |
| 18:18.59 | pipeline | amorphix: Yes but no. |
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| 18:19.07 | Knight_Lord | amorphix alocate space on RAID? |
| 18:19.08 | amorphix | pipeline: why? is there a better way? |
| 18:19.18 | smhar | anybody following the mailing list can inform us of a 'possible' release date for sarge? |
| 18:19.24 | litup | hmm |
| 18:19.24 | chops | amorphix: Yes; just mount the raid array and share it with samba as normal. |
| 18:19.25 | pipeline | amorphix: Yes, you can use Samba to make a UNIX system act as a windows fileserver |
| 18:19.26 | Triffid_Hunter | amorphix: just use samba? |
| 18:19.26 | litup | i used to know |
| 18:19.36 | pipeline | amorphix: But no you can't "share virtual drives" -- samba doesn't do IPC shares. |
| 18:19.37 | amorphix | Knight_Lord: yeah, lets say i have a 100GB RAID, and I want 20GB to be made available to one network user |
| 18:19.46 | Gathond | smhar: last I read they moved the target date to next weekend |
| 18:20.02 | amorphix | so samba is the way to go? |
| 18:20.09 | amorphix | ive never heard of it before |
| 18:20.10 | pipeline | amorphix: Well, if you're using LVM, wouldn't it be pretty darn easy to just make a 20G filesystem just for samba? |
| 18:20.24 | gradzac | amorphix: you could use samba or NFS |
| 18:20.25 | Knight_Lord | amorphix yes samba is the only way to go |
| 18:20.29 | amorphix | I'm running a soft raid-5 tho |
| 18:20.33 | litup | ah |
| 18:20.35 | amorphix | so that makes samba not possible |
| 18:20.36 | pipeline | amorphix: Samba is the easiest way to go. You could also install MS SFU on the windows clients and use NFS, but I wouldn't recommend that. Linux sucks as sat NFS. |
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| 18:20.39 | amorphix | i would think |
| 18:20.41 | pipeline | Amarant: Uh, no. |
| 18:20.44 | Knight_Lord | amorphix why is it impossible? |
| 18:20.46 | pipeline | amorphix: uh, no. |
| 18:20.50 | Triffid_Hunter | amorphix: you can make each user's windows login automagically mount their *nix home dir on boot... |
| 18:20.53 | amorphix | its still possible to use samba? |
| 18:21.01 | amorphix | wow cool |
| 18:21.04 | smhar | anyone have experience with hosting a website from a an adsl line.. I am considering this and want openions |
| 18:21.08 | Knight_Lord | amorphix soft raid is perfect fine and has nothing to do with the application you put on top of it |
| 18:21.08 | pipeline | amorphix: Samba isn't filesystem-specific, and whether or not you're using RAID/LVM doesn't matter for anything. |
| 18:21.13 | Triffid_Hunter | amorphix: and then from there you can allow/disallow internet access or implement other rules or programs or whatever |
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| 18:21.30 | gradzac | smhar: should work OK for low traffic...you also need to check with your ISP and make sure they allow that |
| 18:21.36 | amorphix | cool :) |
| 18:21.53 | pipeline | amorphix: Note that you will want to enable ACLs on the filesystem that you're sharing with Samba |
| 18:22.10 | pipeline | amorphix: Also, make sure to enable encrypted password support in samba. Read the material in /usr/share/doc/samba |
| 18:22.13 | amorphix | i just inherited 2 x 18GB SCSI drives but couldnt fit them in this system plus we didnt have a space raid card or cable, so now i can do it the Linux way |
| 18:22.25 | Triffid_Hunter | amorphix: i've had a samba box set up as the primary domain controller for a windows network, that was also able to map ports to usernames due to a few relatively simple scripts i wrote for it ;) |
| 18:22.43 | amorphix | XP can play with Samba right? |
| 18:22.48 | gradzac | amorphix: yes |
| 18:22.49 | Gathond | smhar: besides the obvious bandwidth limitations in adsl, and assuming you subscription allows it it should work great |
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| 18:23.23 | amorphix | my other question is re performance..obviously with data transfering across the LAN and no direct interface it will be much slower? |
| 18:23.27 | Triffid_Hunter | xp didn't even realise it wasn't a windows server.. '98 and 2k liked it too ;) |
| 18:23.44 | amorphix | what useful is samba? is it primarily just for storage? |
| 18:23.57 | amorphix | or can you run software off it reasonably well? |
| 18:24.01 | gradzac | Triffid_Hunter: you running a windows network? why use samba as a DC? cost savings or something? |
| 18:24.11 | Triffid_Hunter | amorphix: i can pull about 11Mb/sec off the samba server in the other room |
| 18:24.13 | tarzeau | are we #windows today? |
| 18:24.24 | litup | today is what? |
| 18:24.25 | litup | monday? |
| 18:24.28 | Triffid_Hunter | gradzac: was in a share house... everyone had a pc and we shared internet |
| 18:24.28 | amorphix | I'm using SCSI hardware so that should help things eh |
| 18:24.30 | streuner | tarzeau: no |
| 18:24.30 | tarzeau | litup: yes |
| 18:24.30 | litup | or sunday? |
| 18:24.45 | litup | ugg i dont know if a life without cigarettes |
| 18:24.47 | pipeline | amorphix: The same things you would use a windows server for. |
| 18:24.47 | litup | is a life to live |
| 18:24.53 | amorphix | Triffid_Hunter: nice |
| 18:24.57 | pipeline | litup: It gets better after a few days. Buck up. |
| 18:25.10 | gradzac | Triffid_Hunter: makes sense....I was interested to hear if you were using it on a production network. |
| 18:25.12 | amorphix | can you actually run apps via Samba tho? |
| 18:25.25 | pipeline | amorphix: The same apps that will run off a Windows fileserver. |
| 18:25.25 | caphuso | it also gets better after smoking a cigarette ;-) |
| 18:25.26 | Triffid_Hunter | i've also set up home folder automounting as a backup domain controller authing against a housemate's win2k server |
| 18:25.30 | litup | tahts waht im saying |
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| 18:25.38 | litup | maybe ifi get really wasted |
| 18:25.40 | smhar | gradzac, theadsl agreement doesn't mention anything regarding hosting. Gathond, this is a 512/128 kbps connection.. I am planning a site with a blog and a forum mabe a small portal |
| 18:25.40 | litup | drunk |
| 18:25.41 | Triffid_Hunter | gradzac: the server/gateway was a p-133 ;) |
| 18:25.45 | caphuso | litup: forget it |
| 18:25.45 | litup | i can ignore the smoking urge |
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| 18:25.51 | amorphix | i guess i need to read up on Samba |
| 18:25.55 | pipeline | litup: If you start drinking, the smoking urge will become uncontrollably strong. Trust me on this one. |
| 18:25.56 | amorphix | thanks guys :) |
| 18:26.04 | pipeline | amorphix: .NET apps, for example, won't run off of a fileserver. |
| 18:26.07 | litup | ill just freebase something then |
| 18:26.07 | Triffid_Hunter | smhar: i got a few sites on that speed link ;) |
| 18:26.09 | litup | argggg |
| 18:26.09 | amorphix | oh |
| 18:26.10 | xtension | how can i do a read within a read ? i.e. while read f ; do .... read somevar ; done ? |
| 18:26.18 | Gathond | smhar: in that case it al depends on the size of each page, the time you are willing to have people wait, and the amount of hits |
| 18:26.22 | caphuso | litup: no, you don't. that never works. go do some real work, or sports. the harder, the better |
| 18:26.27 | seldon | litup: Try candy. |
| 18:26.27 | giupy | can i put more than one OS iso on a dvd and run the wich one i want ? |
| 18:26.27 | gradzac | smhar: typically ISPs will not allow you to host websites without a special agreement. Also they will block incoming port 80. |
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| 18:26.34 | amorphix | is it possible to run ordinary Windows apps? |
| 18:26.34 | litup | freebasing candy? |
| 18:26.36 | litup | does that work? |
| 18:26.41 | litup | i have the baking soda |
| 18:26.42 | koollman | pipeline: why .net apps won't run ? |
| 18:26.45 | pipeline | litup: Caphuso's got the ticket. Get a pickup game of tennis or basketball or something. It will distract you from how fucking shitty you feel. |
| 18:26.52 | pipeline | koollman: Security reasons. |
| 18:26.53 | seldon | Heh. Actually, something to chew on works best. |
| 18:26.56 | karsten | dpkg: exim "failed to open DB file" message is bug #248622. Fix: stop exim. Remove /var/spool/exim/db/*. Restart exim. |
| 18:26.56 | dpkg | karsten: that's too long |
| 18:26.56 | litup | ill go skateboard |
| 18:27.01 | litup | and freebase some candy |
| 18:27.01 | Gathond | gradzac: probably depends, I know of no danish ISP's having that policy |
| 18:27.03 | Triffid_Hunter | gradzac: that's the exception in aus.. only one isp does that to my knowledge here |
| 18:27.09 | karsten | dpkg: exim "failed to open DB file" is bug #248622. Fix: stop exim. Remove /var/spool/exim/db/*. Restart exim. |
| 18:27.09 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
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| 18:27.55 | gradzac | ok...in US that is the general rule |
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| 18:28.19 | koollman | pipeline: no '.net executable' on fileservers? it's not a really 'secure' thing to do, fileservers can be secure |
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| 18:28.45 | updala | hi |
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| 18:29.01 | seldon | gradzac: That works? I was under the impression that anyone smart enough to set up a webserver should also be smart enough to have it listen on port 81 or so. |
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| 18:29.27 | pipeline | koollman: There are reasons for it that I do not understand, and the policy can be changed. Out of the box, however, that's the way it is. |
| 18:29.32 | updala | there are no packages for glom now i m trying to compile it by hand.. but the needed libs ( http://www.glom.org/wiki/index.php?title=Download ) are too new.. how could i install it? |
| 18:30.21 | koollman | pipeline: but classic executables works... seem strange to me |
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| 18:31.19 | pipeline | koollman: look it up for yourself. They don't do things without a reason for it. .NET executables are handled very, very differently from others, just as DOS executables are handled differently from win16 are handled differently from win32. |
| 18:31.33 | brader | how do I increse volume in KDE environemnt? |
| 18:31.40 | pipeline | updala: The needed libs shouldn't be "too new" unless you're on woody. |
| 18:32.34 | bwlang | brader: add the volume control applet to one of the bars... or use kmix from the command line |
| 18:32.41 | streuner | updala: which version of debian do you use? |
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| 18:33.29 | updala | im using libs from debian unstable pipeline streuner |
| 18:33.35 | sepski | is there any window manager that is clearly better at handling multi head's then the rest. or is it more or less personal preference ? |
| 18:33.53 | sepski | too be used on a 433Mhz alpha with 3 heads |
| 18:34.26 | beardy | sepski: It's probably personal preference, but perhaps something light would be a better choice? |
| 18:34.31 | streuner | updala: so whats the problem? |
| 18:34.32 | tarzeau | sepski: window maker |
| 18:34.41 | updala | pipeline streuner i cant install it.. |
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| 18:34.57 | streuner | updala: sure, but you can compile it yourself |
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| 18:35.48 | Knight_Lord | updala welcome to Gnome library dependency hell, right here on earth |
| 18:36.10 | tarzeau | updala: that's normal |
| 18:36.33 | updala | Knight_Lord, i really like to build a debian pkg .. as i d like to use that app also in other pcs (2 sarge + 1 ubuntu hoary) |
| 18:37.05 | sneex | ls [a-z]* |
| 18:37.26 | J_P | people, what is better HD model for you: seagate or maxtor or samsung ? |
| 18:37.29 | Knight_Lord | updala apparently you'll have to package at least, libbakery,libxml++, gtkmm, libglademm, gconfmm, and gnome-vfsmm |
| 18:37.36 | sneex | Seagate rox |
| 18:37.40 | sneex | esp when it walks |
| 18:37.42 | updala | streuner, the problem is i cant bakery 2.4 in unstable.. |
| 18:38.02 | Triffid_Hunter | maxtor is crap in my experience |
| 18:38.05 | updala | Knight_Lord, oo thats too much to me.. as i have not much experience with that :( |
| 18:38.31 | tarzeau | the ones labeled properly: |
| 18:38.34 | Knight_Lord | updala i'm not exactly sure i went for the worst case scenario. I'll give it a try |
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| 18:38.46 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/debian.txt |
| 18:39.09 | Knight_Lord | updala strange thing is that even from the bakery site you can't get bakery2.4 |
| 18:39.27 | streuner | true |
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| 18:39.32 | streuner | !find bakery |
| 18:39.34 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'bakery' (7): libbakery-2.3-11 ;; libbakery-2.3-common ;; libbakery-2.3-dev ;; libbakery-gnomeui2.0-1 ;; libbakery-gnomeui2.0-dev ;; libbakery2.0-1 ;; libbakery2.0-dev. |
| 18:39.56 | Knight_Lord | updala interestingly enough so called bakery2.4 is in reality 2.3.5 |
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| 18:40.32 | Knight_Lord | updala so the libbakery from unstalbe might be enough |
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| 18:40.35 | venatir | how can I get the tick counter in linux ? something like gettickcount() in windows ? |
| 18:40.51 | updala | Knight_Lord, u know in linuxpackages.net i found a slackware bin pkg i get that and extracted the binary, it worked but not well.. |
| 18:40.55 | beardy | venatir: What does it do? |
| 18:40.56 | tarzeau | !u |
| 18:40.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:41.49 | tarzeau | venatir: gettimeofday (2) - get / set time |
| 18:41.51 | Knight_Lord | updala no slack packages |
| 18:42.05 | venatir | tarzeau : thx |
| 18:42.11 | tarzeau | !thx |
| 18:42.11 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 18:42.14 | updala | Knight_Lord, i ve done this vo testing only.. |
| 18:42.57 | Xinux | everybody scream! |
| 18:43.21 | danko123456 | hehe. dpkg is kinda funny. |
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| 18:43.38 | tarzeau | !nickometer danko123456 |
| 18:43.38 | dpkg | 'danko123456' is 66.000% lame, tarzeau |
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| 18:43.57 | madclicker | how can I enable postfix to read .procmailrc in $HOME_DIR ? |
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| 18:44.23 | danko123456 | !how do I get less lame? |
| 18:44.39 | danko123456 | !tell /me about nickometer |
| 18:45.00 | tarzeau | danko123456: try danko only? |
| 18:45.05 | danko123456 | I prefer 34% cool myself... |
| 18:45.12 | tarzeau | danko123456: remove 3 numbers |
| 18:45.13 | danko123456 | :-p |
| 18:45.30 | danko123456 | ah, nickometer, nothing to do with anything.... |
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| 18:45.34 | updala | i think i reinstall slackware :D |
| 18:45.35 | updala | cu |
| 18:45.36 | danko123456 | I mean, except for the nick. |
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| 18:45.51 | danko123456 | Oh, no, please dont, we need you to use debian... |
| 18:46.08 | dabaSlon | !nickometer dabaSlon |
| 18:46.21 | dabaSlon | !nickometer dabaSlon |
| 18:46.26 | dabaSlon | sorry... |
| 18:46.42 | Xinux | seeee |
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| 18:47.10 | Azoff | hello |
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| 18:47.54 | dabaSlon | ok, hi... |
| 18:48.00 | Azoff | I have some trouble with my nfs. When I try to copy anything over the link using nfs I get plenty of these: |
| 18:48.03 | Azoff | May 30 20:42:26 laptop kernel: nfs: server gw not responding, still trying |
| 18:48.21 | Azoff | but, if i try using scp I get no error and it's quite fast too |
| 18:48.34 | Azoff | what could trigger this error? |
| 18:49.29 | Akselii | yo yo yo chikimiki you you chikimiki chimikimi yoyoyoyoyo |
| 18:50.06 | amorphix | tsk |
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| 18:54.04 | shingouz | !test |
| 18:54.04 | dpkg | Yes, shingouz, you're still online. |
| 18:54.16 | shingouz | damn. way quiet tonight |
| 18:54.53 | deathdellic | help |
| 18:55.00 | shingouz | ask |
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| 18:56.22 | Xinux | EVERYONE: SURPRISE SEX! |
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| 18:58.04 | jair | hello guys |
| 18:58.10 | shingouz | j0 |
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| 18:58.14 | jair | how is everything going |
| 18:58.26 | shingouz | boring, nothing happens |
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| 18:58.32 | _cow | tarzeau, [i've got sidetracked by your link to jesuslol..] in http://download.freshmeat.net/screenshots/17420.jpg, did the meadow have two green or just a single one? |
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| 18:58.43 | Akselii | how can i make link to point /usr/src/linux to /user/src/0-15.maxil.com] has quit [Client |
| 18:58.46 | Akselii | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.49 | Akselii | 21:39 < J_P> people, what is better HD model for you: seagate or maxtor or |
| 18:58.51 | Akselii | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.54 | Akselii | 21:39 < Knight_Lord> updala apparently you'll have to package at least, |
| 18:58.56 | Akselii | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.59 | Akselii | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.01 | Akselii | hahha, osrry |
| 18:59.02 | jair | hello guys |
| 18:59.07 | jair | everything ok |
| 18:59.14 | sneex | will I be vaporized if I ask about debian in the debian group? |
| 18:59.14 | shingouz | Akselii: do you want to be banned? |
| 18:59.36 | tarzeau | _cow: pixels? more than one for sure |
| 18:59.42 | shingouz | sneex: this is not a "group" this is a channel. try asking here |
| 18:59.43 | K_Dallas | it might have been a simple middle key paste error ;) |
| 18:59.55 | tarzeau | _cow: wtf. that game is old, feel free to check the source. don't ask - i don't remember |
| 19:00.04 | tarzeau | _cow: i've had more beer that weekend, than ever in my life |
| 19:00.36 | _cow | tarzeau, more than one different greens? i take it the green is two pixels high, but in that screenshot, i don't see if those were two different greens (guess not, but felt like asking) |
| 19:00.57 | tarzeau | _cow: yeah one green |
| 19:01.01 | _cow | tarzeau, hehem, i can imagine ;9 |
| 19:01.08 | Akselii | shingouz: nope |
| 19:01.12 | Akselii | shingouz: im really sorry |
| 19:01.14 | _cow | tarzeau, ok. thanks |
| 19:01.21 | shingouz | Akselii: :) |
| 19:01.22 | tarzeau | _cow: hehe www.linuks.mine.nu/supercow/cowbanner.jpg |
| 19:01.23 | Akselii | i pressed the midle button in accident |
| 19:01.31 | K_Dallas | :) told you |
| 19:01.35 | Akselii | 0-15.maxil.com] has quit [Client |
| 19:01.35 | Akselii | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.35 | Akselii | 21:39 < J_P> people, what is better HD model for you: seagate or maxtor or |
| 19:01.35 | Akselii | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.35 | Akselii | 21:39 < Knight_Lord> updala apparently you'll have to package at least, |
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| 19:01.51 | shingouz | K_Dallas: you sure? |
| 19:01.53 | K_Dallas | now he need to thorw away his mouse ;) |
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| 19:01.57 | K_Dallas | maybe not :):) |
| 19:02.04 | tarzeau | _cow: i'm curious how one gets from jesuslol to supercow ? |
| 19:02.06 | _cow | tarzeau, i forgot to check the source before messing a bit with them, unfortunately. |
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| 19:02.30 | _cow | tarzeau, don't remember exactly, i think i browsed your site a bit |
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| 19:03.26 | madclicker | anyone using postfix? |
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| 19:04.01 | _cow | tarzeau, anyway. thanks four the green-hint and sorry for wasting your time with that one |
| 19:04.16 | _cow | s/four/for. whatever.. ;) |
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| 19:05.42 | Akselii | Omg |
| 19:05.45 | Akselii | im so sorry |
| 19:05.47 | Akselii | i mean it |
| 19:05.53 | Akselii | i hate the middle button thingy :( |
| 19:06.10 | dpy | sobersabre: are you still there ? |
| 19:06.12 | jnk | Akselii, you know you can disable it |
| 19:06.14 | _cow | Akselii, just unplug that mouse thingy |
| 19:06.28 | shingouz | Akselii: or get a mac :p |
| 19:07.18 | dpy | sobersabre: I am at the point that I have set up bluetooth on my laptop, hciconfig gives my hci0: type: USB and the correct hardware address, so everything is good to go, but my bluetooth PDA doesn't detect my laptop :( |
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| 19:07.52 | dpy | hc0 is UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN AUTH and ENCRYPT |
| 19:07.59 | dpy | hci0 that is |
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| 19:08.29 | martman | kind of a odd questin here...does anyone know of a bug with deb's alsa for neomagic sound cards? |
| 19:08.30 | Akselii | so |
| 19:08.32 | Akselii | i was asking |
| 19:08.53 | martman | trying to concince my friend that debian has not started a massive conpsiracy against his laptop for the gajillionth time |
| 19:09.09 | martman | but it is werd that alsa config under debian wont pick it up |
| 19:09.18 | martman | but under slack or suse its picked upo fine |
| 19:09.31 | Akselii | i did apt-get install kernel-tree-2.6.11, but it didnt give me any sources |
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| 19:09.39 | Akselii | do i need to manuallyu download sources? |
| 19:09.54 | Akselii | i downloaded a 36mb archieve with ISDN, so i wouldnt like to redownload :( |
| 19:10.16 | shingouz | Akselii: kernel-tree? should be kernel-source |
| 19:10.36 | lostcause | im having problem creating my initrd for my 2.6.11 kernel |
| 19:10.42 | lostcause | anyone have any sugetions |
| 19:10.43 | myr | Hi Everybody ! |
| 19:10.55 | pipeline | lostcause: Install a stock kernel from the package system and don't fool with building your own. |
| 19:10.58 | myr | What's new about sarge's stable release ? |
| 19:11.03 | shingouz | lostcause: don't use initrd if you do not need it |
| 19:11.17 | lostcause | shingouz its not letting me boot into it |
| 19:11.35 | Akselii | shingouz: n00 |
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| 19:11.44 | dyingdevil | hi there |
| 19:11.45 | dyingdevil | i |
| 19:11.55 | dyingdevil | i've a problem with debian... |
| 19:11.55 | mwilson | lostcause: Sure. Don't use an initrd. |
| 19:11.59 | shingouz | lostcause: do as pipeline here just said, just get a debian kernel unless oyu really need something custom |
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| 19:12.01 | Akselii | shingouz: i allready got the newest source |
| 19:12.09 | mwilson | dyingdevil: And everyone gets to guess what it is, huh? |
| 19:12.10 | Akselii | shingouz: where did it dload it to? |
| 19:12.13 | shingouz | Akselii: you said kernel-tree |
| 19:12.19 | shingouz | Akselii: /usr/src |
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| 19:12.21 | lostcause | mwilson so how can i have it boot with out one? |
| 19:12.21 | dyingdevil | i tried to install it on my notebook, but after the first install step, it crashes... |
| 19:12.43 | sepski | dyingdevil, did you try installing the other kernel ? |
| 19:12.43 | shingouz | lostcause: using lilo? |
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| 19:12.48 | pipeline | lostcause: You don't have to build a kernel just for dickwaving. I built my own kernels for years and I no longer do. It's silly to go through so much work for so little benefit. |
| 19:12.51 | dyingdevil | jep... both |
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| 19:13.00 | dyingdevil | i can tell you the error message |
| 19:13.24 | Akselii | shingouz: it downloaded kernel-source |
| 19:13.29 | shingouz | dyingdevil: kernel panic, cannot find root |
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| 19:13.42 | mwilson | pipeline: Using Debian kernels used to be counter-productive. I've not fiddled enough to see if that's still the case now that Xu is gone. |
| 19:13.49 | dyingdevil | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000024 |
| 19:13.51 | shingouz | dyingdevil: when the LILO shows on the screen, hit left shift and pick the older kernel |
| 19:13.53 | Akselii | shingouz: i only got Documentation and include in /usr/src/linux |
| 19:13.54 | lostcause | pipeline; I have a reason for building it. I did not come here to get lectured on what not to do. |
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| 19:14.05 | shingouz | Akselii: so? /usr/src |
| 19:14.10 | dyingdevil | i've grub |
| 19:14.11 | pipeline | lostcause: It's #debian. Telling you you don't want to do what you think you want to do is what we do. |
| 19:14.12 | sepski | mwilson, for us not ancient in the ways of debian, how was it conter productive ? |
| 19:14.14 | dyingdevil | not lilo |
| 19:14.19 | mwilson | lostcause: if you are building your own kernel, whyinhell are you setting things up to use an initrd. |
| 19:14.23 | pipeline | sepski: They used to tos in patches willy-nilly. |
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| 19:14.51 | Akselii | shingouz: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.11 didnt link it right did it? |
| 19:14.54 | mwilson | sepski: Xu's idea of testing a patch was to toss it in and see how many people complained in the BTS. |
| 19:15.00 | sepski | itn't that what sarge/testing is for ? :) |
| 19:15.02 | lostcause | mwilson; thats what the howto said to do, i dont care what it takes to get it to install |
| 19:15.07 | Akselii | shingouz: or what, i cant find the sources anywhere |
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| 19:15.16 | sepski | but i see the point :) |
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| 19:16.10 | shingouz | Akselii: ls /usr/src for the third time |
| 19:16.19 | Akselii | shingouz: they are not in there |
| 19:16.25 | shingouz | Akselii: you sure? |
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| 19:16.37 | Akselii | oh... :P im so sorry for buggin yah :P |
| 19:16.40 | mwilson | sepski: It used to be that it wasn't safe to stay on the install kernel, because it didn't get updates, and it was fatal to use a normal kernel package because they were usually crap. |
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| 19:16.56 | brader | anyone know a good graphical ftp program |
| 19:17.00 | krystalino | SARGE HAS FROZEN, wow |
| 19:17.00 | qbwdp | wat up |
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| 19:17.08 | sepski | lostcause, well unless you come up with some good descriptions or error messages you wont get better answers. i have problem creating initrd is not very descriptive. |
| 19:17.09 | koollman | brader: gftp ? |
| 19:17.10 | mwilson | Anyone know a reason why FTP would need to be graphical? |
| 19:17.16 | shingouz | Akselii: that is where they shoudl be unless you screwd up somehow. you should have a file kernel-source-foo.bar.tar.bz there somewhere |
| 19:17.16 | qbwdp | how many files can i have in a directory on a reiserfs filesystem? |
| 19:17.17 | brader | krystalino didn;t sarge freeze months ago? |
| 19:17.24 | krystalino | brader, dunno |
| 19:17.27 | sepski | brader, i love ncftp in an xterm. |
| 19:17.32 | ohad | hi all, i forgot the squence of the commands i have to run when i get the error after boot of unexpected inconsistency - run fsck manually - fsck failed. mount -n -o remount,rw / ? |
| 19:17.34 | _cow | tarzeau, [i assert that you're in no way interresting, but just for the kicks, i ported to GGI and ripped it down to currently 17672 bytes. still not <=16k, but i'll see] |
| 19:17.36 | brader | mwilson cause I like drag and drop |
| 19:17.51 | Akselii | shingouz: sorry, one last question, what options for unpacking tar.bz2? |
| 19:17.58 | lostcause | sepski; I get no error messge I get no no output what more can i give? |
| 19:18.01 | Akselii | shingouz: tar -zvxf? |
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| 19:18.08 | Triffid_Hunter | Akselii: tar -xjfv |
| 19:18.18 | jnk | mwilson, well it comes handy when you have to pick 10 files out of 30 IMHO |
| 19:18.19 | Triffid_Hunter | Akselii: -z means .gz |
| 19:18.21 | shingouz | Akselii: man tar (xjf) |
| 19:18.21 | mwilson | I installed the 2.6.11 kernel-image, but I don't see any reason to use it. |
| 19:18.26 | Triffid_Hunter | Akselii: -j means .bz2 |
| 19:18.28 | sepski | Akselii, man tar (dont type in commands from irc that you have no idea what does) |
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| 19:18.55 | Triffid_Hunter | also listen to sepski ;) |
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| 19:18.59 | martman | anyone have a clue with my sound question? |
| 19:19.07 | tarzeau | _cow: OH! it's not needing svgalib anymore? |
| 19:19.14 | Akselii | sepski: hehe |
| 19:19.18 | mwilson | Debian's idea of building the initrd at kernel install time is humorous, but not really useful. |
| 19:19.20 | tarzeau | _cow: and maybe not need "play" (from sox) to play the moo.wav ? |
| 19:19.26 | tarzeau | _cow: i'm interested in it - OF COURSE |
| 19:19.36 | shingouz | no, we're clueless. you mat need to setup isapnp to get the sound working, martman |
| 19:19.36 | erika | hi! Could anybody advise me a program with i can "draw the surface" of CDs under linux (distro: debian sid)? |
| 19:19.39 | tarzeau | _cow: and! will you join us play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net on #bub-n-bros ? |
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| 19:19.49 | tarzeau | jethro, jharrison, takatumi ? |
| 19:19.55 | shingouz | s/mat/may |
| 19:19.58 | sepski | martman, sorry no, i'v never had to run alsaconf on debian sarge, just upping the volume was enoughf for me allways. |
| 19:20.13 | _cow | tarzeau, no. there's a svgalib target for GGI, though. and X11, fbdev, vgl, that openBSD console thing, aalib, etc, etc. |
| 19:20.14 | martman | hmmm |
| 19:20.33 | tarzeau | _cow: how to use them? |
| 19:20.36 | ohad | what commands do i need to run when i get the error after boot of unexpected inconsistency - run fsck manually - fsck failed. mount -n -o remount,rw / ? |
| 19:20.48 | mwilson | By the time you get the initrd to only contain what it needs to contain (since every module in it gets loaded for some stupid reason), you'd be better off just doing everything yourself. |
| 19:20.52 | Akselii | one last question, how can i link /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11 to /usr/src/linux/? |
| 19:21.24 | sepski | Akselii, man ln |
| 19:21.35 | _cow | tarzeau, i already saw you mentioning b-n-b, but i'm java-disabled, sorry. Is there C, C++, python, Fortran code for b-n-b so i've got a chance to play b-n-b, too? |
| 19:21.39 | Akselii | argh |
| 19:21.54 | shingouz | erika: The Gimp? |
| 19:21.59 | tarzeau | _cow: no java needed, pythongtk or pygame |
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| 19:22.10 | tarzeau | _cow: yes you too can play (java is the worst backend) |
| 19:22.20 | tarzeau | _cow: x11, gtk are what's good |
| 19:22.28 | OhSmiTt | what is the way to install the same packages on a second system? |
| 19:22.37 | tarzeau | _cow: just join the gnu.ethz.ch server |
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| 19:22.44 | sepski | OhSmiTt, and what do you mean with second system ? |
| 19:22.48 | Tuttle_ | Is it possible to get windows-1250 charset to locale? |
| 19:22.56 | TwistedEmotions | Weeee.. i got a new lappy ;) Installing debian now. |
| 19:23.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You there? |
| 19:23.16 | sepski | OhSmiTt, same as on the first one usualy, apt-get install package |
| 19:23.20 | OhSmiTt | sepski: another computer that will need to have the same packages installed |
| 19:23.25 | OhSmiTt | sigh |
| 19:24.00 | TwistedEmotions | This room is dead.. |
| 19:24.01 | OhSmiTt | I want to dump a list of all the packages from server1 and install the same packages on server2 (w/o using dpkg -l > foo) |
| 19:24.12 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: channel, not room |
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| 19:24.23 | sepski | dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections iirc |
| 19:24.27 | sepski | man dpkg in either case |
| 19:24.29 | devazion | i got this ppc from my friend. i wonder if mostly of the x86 packages is avaible for ppc... are them? |
| 19:24.34 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: If you need to fix that error then you only proved my point. |
| 19:24.42 | _cow | tarzeau, for me, installing GGI and just running supercow is sufficient. GGI has more than 10 different target-backends, so compile once, run anywhere is just natural for any GGI-enabled game. (see heroes, mplayer, ggiterm or fresco -- as an example for a whole next-gen GUI -- etc. etc) |
| 19:24.44 | shingouz | !lart TwistedEmotions |
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| 19:25.05 | tarzeau | _cow: you know/like GNUstep ? what about portability? |
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| 19:25.10 | TwistedEmotions | If I was really messed up I'd do the same to you with a windows CD or AOL CD. |
| 19:25.11 | tarzeau | _cow: sdl isn't that good? |
| 19:25.19 | stelki | Would there be any noteable different between downloading the test sarge, and update it via apt later, and just wait? |
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| 19:25.32 | stelki | s/last and/or |
| 19:25.45 | tarzeau | _cow: you'll join us now for b-n-b? we're 2 players already, really fun with 3 players |
| 19:25.49 | TwistedEmotions | stelki: not really... only durring install |
| 19:25.51 | _cow | tarzeau, sdl came after GGI and is a "schlechter abklatsch" of what GGI provides, even back then. |
| 19:26.05 | takatumi | what is the package that mails cron logs? |
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| 19:26.06 | ohad | how do i repair the fsck failor while boot ? (the control-D or root passwd option)? |
| 19:26.29 | _cow | tarzeau, of course GGI has a display-directx, too |
| 19:26.31 | TwistedEmotions | stelki: I dont know what kernels come with the testing package but with stable you might need to update your kernel.. |
| 19:26.31 | sepski | ohad, run fsck manually |
| 19:26.44 | sepski | ohad, and _HAVE BACKUPS_ |
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| 19:27.09 | stelki | TwistedEmotions, alright, the kernel should be the only problem then you think? Imma use the newest I can get hold of anyway.. thanks |
| 19:27.13 | tarzeau | _cow: hehe, ok |
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| 19:27.14 | _cow | tarzeau, i'm an old blackbox user, but before i came to blackbox, i used GNUstep for some months. |
| 19:27.23 | tarzeau | _cow: i don't mean window maker |
| 19:27.26 | TwistedEmotions | stelki: I just install with netinstall - testing version... installed kernel 2.4 so I have to update kernel but that was the only difference I saw.. |
| 19:27.29 | _cow | tarzeau, you mean portability of GGI? |
| 19:27.33 | tarzeau | _cow: i really mean foundation kit and application kit (see Gorm) |
| 19:27.37 | TwistedEmotions | *installed |
| 19:27.39 | tarzeau | _cow: schlechter abklatz and the like |
| 19:27.47 | stelki | TwistedEmotions, ok =) |
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| 19:27.54 | TwistedEmotions | stelki: gluck ;) |
| 19:28.04 | stelki | thanky |
| 19:28.36 | ohad | sepski: i tried to run fsck and it failed. then i tried to run e2fsck and was told that i will lose my data. so i stopped it. i remember that there are a number of mounting commands that i used to run in the past to correct this error during boot. mount -n -o remount,rw / and something else...but i don't remember those commands or their order |
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| 19:28.46 | _cow | tarzeau, GGI is known to run under linux, *BSD, MacOS-whatever (including cocoa et al) mingw and cygwin. I had it running on OSF/1, too, FWIW |
| 19:28.50 | Akselii | could someone help with linkin? |
| 19:28.55 | ohad | sepski: i also have backups:) |
| 19:29.06 | dabreegster | Akselii: ask a specific question |
| 19:29.12 | sepski | ohad, remounting does not correct the problem, it just ignores it until it breakes everything |
| 19:30.06 | tarzeau | _cow: what about big endian, little endian, 32bit , 64bit machines, and any bit depth? |
| 19:30.21 | Akselii | dabreegster: how can i link /usr/src/linux/ to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11/? |
| 19:30.32 | sepski | ohad, how did fsck fail the first time |
| 19:30.51 | dabreegster | Akselii: ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11/ |
| 19:30.59 | dabreegster | Akselii: Wait, which exists? linux or kernel-source? |
| 19:31.02 | ohad | sepski: it tried to correct the errors while booting and then stopped in the middle |
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| 19:31.13 | dabreegster | Akselii: put the one that already exists first and the symbolic link name for it second |
| 19:31.23 | sepski | ohad, with no message ?? |
| 19:31.29 | _cow | tarzeau, no endianess problems since years. It's clean (modulo bugs ;). 32bit works as well as 64bit targets. Never tried it on more than 32bit depth, though |
| 19:31.42 | dabreegster | Akselii: example: ln -s this_file_exists new_link_for_it |
| 19:31.44 | Akselii | dabreegster: both exists, but i want to compile kernel, so if i do ls /usr/src/linux/ it would point to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11/ |
| 19:32.07 | tarzeau | _cow: i meant 8bit, 15/16 and 24bit color detphs |
| 19:32.12 | jerome | I can't get my brand new via C3 to boot with my hand made kernel (2.6.11.11). I checked FS, partition type, ide controller, what else could cause a "VFS : not syncing, unable to mount root fs on unknow block 3,2" ? |
| 19:32.12 | sepski | ohad, i'v not had to run fsck unless theres been adef disk, so i just replace disk and restore... sorry |
| 19:32.12 | ohad | sepski: unexpected inconsistency - run fsck manually |
| 19:32.15 | dabreegster | Akselii: what's in /usr/src/linux now? You might want to move the linux directory to linux.bak or something |
| 19:32.31 | _cow | tarzeau, if you happen to know one of allegro (shudder), SDL (bah), svgalib (hmz) etc, etc, you'll just fell at home with GGI |
| 19:32.39 | Akselii | dabreegster: i unpacked nvidia kernel modules only to there |
| 19:32.39 | dabreegster | Akselii: then do ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11/ /usr/src/linux, after you back up whatever was already in /usr/src/linux |
| 19:32.47 | pipeline | _cow, tarzeau : Comedy option Cairo |
| 19:32.57 | _cow | tarzeau, 1,2,4,8,15,16,24,32 are tested and solid |
| 19:33.03 | Akselii | dabreegster: thankyou, i dont need to backup, just a quick unpack of nvidia kernel thingys and im done :) |
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| 19:33.14 | dabreegster | Akselii: Just mv /usr/src/linux /usr/src/nvidia or something temporarily, then put stuff in the right place |
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| 19:33.49 | loka | Aint it possibel to run bind without named? |
| 19:33.51 | Akselii | dabreegster: okay, thanks for help :) |
| 19:34.01 | tarzeau | _cow: sounds really good. i haven't done anything since mekka&symposium died |
| 19:34.30 | ohad | sepski: thanks |
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| 19:34.49 | _cow | pipeline, ultimatively, just use GGI as a display for cairo. Don't get me wrong. Cairo is nice, really. There's nothing preventing cairo to transparently display everywhere. |
| 19:34.50 | dabreegster | _cow: you're doing work with svgalib? |
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| 19:34.51 | Akselii | hmm |
| 19:35.16 | dabreegster | _cow: SDL apps with the svgalib video output option have saved my life |
| 19:35.16 | xtension | paste me a link |
| 19:35.29 | Akselii | dabreegster: could you help me with this one too: /usr/include/bits/socket.h:305:24: asm/socket.h: does not exist |
| 19:35.39 | Akselii | dabreegster: when i try make menuconf or make xconf |
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| 19:35.53 | dabreegster | Akselii: No clue. Sorry, I'm not great with kernel compiling. |
| 19:35.59 | Akselii | okay |
| 19:36.04 | Akselii | thanks for help anyways :) |
| 19:36.08 | dabreegster | Akselii: looks like you're missing a library though that you could apt-get |
| 19:36.20 | _cow | tarzeau, pipeline, just look at fresco.org. There, we have a GLDrawingKit, which currently uses GLX natively to display to one of GGI or SDL. There's conceptually nothing wrong with just perusing cairo for the GLDrawingKit which itselv peruses some other "low"-level API to be platform independant :) |
| 19:36.36 | Akselii | dabreegster: can i somehow search for that library? |
| 19:36.37 | dabreegster | Akselii: apt-cache search bit socket turns up a few things. you could use apt-file to find the package that belongs to |
| 19:36.45 | dabreegster | Akselii: check out apt-file |
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| 19:36.58 | Akselii | okay |
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| 19:37.16 | Akselii | dabreegster: just apt-file? |
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| 19:37.24 | webi | hi |
| 19:37.30 | Akselii | eh, i dont have apt-file O_o |
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| 19:37.37 | dabreegster | Akselii: apt-get install apt-file then read man apt-file and follow the directions there |
| 19:37.46 | _cow | dabreegster, no, normally i don't. I code for GGI and check if stuff works on display-{svgalib, fbdev,etc, etc} |
| 19:37.49 | pipeline | _cow: Heh, I've actually been flirting with Cairo, as it has decent C# bindings. |
| 19:37.51 | Akselii | dabreegster: thanks for help |
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| 19:38.05 | dabreegster | Akselii: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search that_filename |
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| 19:38.50 | Akselii | dabreegster: thanks :) i think i can do it now :) |
| 19:38.54 | dabreegster | _cow: neat. if you're doing work with GGI, may I suggest a new v.o? cvidix, for ATI Rage cards. mplayer uses it and it runs great. I know it's not a great idea since only a few cards support it, but it's an idea. |
| 19:39.31 | DonTn | Hello |
| 19:40.18 | _cow | dabreegster, no need to do that. GGI has accelerated targets for ATI. furthermore, you can let mplayer display via GGI, so you can just run mplayr on svgalib, X11, fbdev, vgl et al ;) |
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| 19:40.31 | DonTn | anyone available for some questions? |
| 19:40.46 | Akselii | DonTn: yeah |
| 19:40.48 | simonrvn | just ask |
| 19:40.49 | Akselii | DonTn: just ask :) |
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| 19:41.13 | dabreegster | _cow: Heh. I've never used a GGI app directly, at least, if I did, I didn't notice. Svgalib has been good to me. But for videos on the console, cvidix can't be beat |
| 19:41.32 | DonTn | Ok how do I go about programing so I can go to various chat modes. Just got linspiere and new to it. thanks |
| 19:41.56 | dabreegster | DonTn: this is #debian |
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| 19:42.26 | DonTn | Hi debian this is the only channel i can connect to |
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| 19:42.47 | simonrvn | DonTn: /join #linspire for example |
| 19:42.47 | Ronin | DonTn: /join #channelname doesnt do it for you? |
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| 19:43.09 | steve | hey- how do i put something into my path? |
| 19:43.36 | DonTn | no it don't Ronin |
| 19:43.39 | xtension | steve export PATH=.... |
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| 19:43.48 | _cow | dabreegster, what is cvidix? mach64 (let's say) + it's feature support? |
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| 19:44.02 | simonrvn | steve: you edit it, then . (source) the dot file after you're done (or set it temporarily with export) |
| 19:44.09 | simonrvn | man bash |
| 19:44.16 | steve | so like #export PATH=/opt/java/crazyjava ??? |
| 19:44.25 | dabreegster | _cow: cvidix is an interface directly to some ATI cards. That's about all I know. |
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| 19:44.34 | dabreegster | _cow: there's info in the mplayer documentation somewhere |
| 19:44.39 | xtension | steve installing java ? |
| 19:44.40 | steve | !bash |
| 19:44.40 | dpkg | it has been said that bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
| 19:44.45 | simonrvn | no, export PATH="$PATH:/opt/java/crazyjava" |
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| 19:45.08 | simonrvn | you don't want to wipe out things like /bin and /usr/bin, etc. |
| 19:45.13 | steve | yeah- sun's java is weird |
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| 19:45.27 | steve | but i gotta install sun's java to build limewire |
| 19:45.31 | xtension | steve prob u need the java plugin |
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| 19:45.41 | steve | java plugin? |
| 19:45.50 | xtension | steve for your browser |
| 19:45.55 | simonrvn | plugin to build something? are you on crack? |
| 19:46.00 | xtension | steve so you van watch the girls |
| 19:46.08 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:46.15 | steve | no- so i can download my mac dre raps |
| 19:46.20 | simonrvn | @moron xtension |
| 19:46.21 | ravenbird | xtension: You are moron #94 |
| 19:46.35 | xtension | guess so :) |
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| 19:46.51 | steve | !permasunday |
| 19:46.51 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 19:48.18 | _cow | steve, there once was a book called "Framstag Sam" (in german). Would translate literally to something like Friturday Sam. Fun to read :) |
| 19:48.40 | Wyzard | steve: apt-cache show java-package |
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| 19:51.31 | lamp__ | Sarge becomes stable today? |
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| 19:51.44 | steve | is mac dre popular where you guys live? his raps? |
| 19:51.46 | Wyzard | lamp__: See /topic |
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| 19:51.52 | [sr] | howdy |
| 19:51.54 | steve | !mac dre |
| 19:52.08 | [sr] | does anyone got vmware to work with kernel 2.6 ? |
| 19:52.10 | runa | hey :) I have debian64 installed on a directory. I can chroot to it and everything works good, except X. I compiled the nvidia driver using module-assistant but I couldn't load it inside the chroot, so I moved installed it from outside (deb 32bits, sarge) and it loaded perfect. Now: if I run 'lsmod' inside the chroot, I get QM_MODULES function not implemented, and I cannot run X because it tries to load the nvidia module but it gets some the same QM_MODULES e |
| 19:52.23 | [sr] | i'm having some problems when he tries to compile the vmnet module |
| 19:52.34 | runa | [sr]: what kernel version are you using? |
| 19:52.34 | steve | !mac dre |
| 19:52.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, mac dre is in vallejo |
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| 19:53.08 | [sr] | 2.6.11 |
| 19:53.15 | [sr] | runa 2.6.11 |
| 19:53.21 | Assid | heya |
| 19:53.41 | Assid | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 19:53.42 | runa | [sr]: there's a great script, made by a czech guy that fixes most vmwares to work with new kernels. you should try it |
| 19:55.07 | [sr] | runa where can i find that script do you have an idea? |
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| 19:55.18 | Wyzard | Assid: Yes, we know -- it's in the /topic, and was announced on d-d-a several days ago |
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| 19:55.45 | [sr] | wb apt :P |
| 19:55.49 | simonrvn | @tell TwistedLappy -about root |
| 19:55.50 | brader | ok if I wanted my system to perform two actions everytime I start up how woudl I do that? |
| 19:55.54 | jharrison | tarzeau: SYN |
| 19:55.56 | runa | [sr]: google for vmware any to any |
| 19:56.06 | runa | [sr]: I don't have gpm running here to paste you the link ;) |
| 19:56.13 | Wyzard | runa: [sr]'s problem has nothing to do with VMware |
| 19:56.34 | giupy | [sr], what do you mean, you want to run vmware under linux with 2.6.8 kernel or you want to emulate a 2.6.8 kernel ? |
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| 19:56.44 | Wyzard | oops |
| 19:56.53 | Wyzard | runa: nm, I misread your question as [sr]'s question :-) |
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| 19:57.00 | brader | Is there a start up like folder I can place a script to run on start up? |
| 19:57.08 | runa | Wyzard: now, help me :) |
| 19:57.11 | [sr] | i mean i use 2.6.11 |
| 19:57.12 | tarzeau | jharrison: join! |
| 19:57.16 | tarzeau | _cow: you not? |
| 19:57.19 | [sr] | and it doesn't compile the vmnet module |
| 19:57.20 | [sr] | :p |
| 19:57.41 | TwistedLappy | Question guys... installed debian on my lappy and the area where everything is shown is 1/2 of screen size... how can I get it to encompus foull screen size? |
| 19:57.49 | giupy | [sr], i ahve used vmware 5 with that kernel |
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| 19:57.52 | Wyzard | [sr]: Run that script runa mentioned and it'll patch the VMware module source so it works with 2.6 |
| 19:58.06 | tsw | TwistedLappy: you have wrong resolution for your tft |
| 19:58.11 | [sr] | http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update90.tar.gz |
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| 19:58.18 | [sr] | i guess it cound be this:p |
| 19:58.19 | [sr] | could |
| 19:58.42 | brader | TwistedLappy, you have wrong resoution settings and or video settings |
| 19:58.43 | TwistedLappy | tsw: I didnt set anything up as far as that goes... how can I change that? |
| 19:58.49 | Wyzard | runa: I don't have a 64 so I have no firsthand experience, but it wouldn't surprise me if 64-bit nvidia-glx required a 64-bit nvidia-kernel, and if a 64-bit nvidia-kernel could only be loaded in a pure64 kernel |
| 19:59.06 | brader | TwistedLappy, you in X or is this just console? |
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| 19:59.24 | giupy | TwistedLappy, or you must enlarge monitor area from bios, i have something like this in my old laptop |
| 19:59.26 | TwistedLappy | brader: Console.. |
| 19:59.35 | jharrison | tarzeau: link |
| 19:59.41 | Wyzard | giupy: That's the ugly way to do it |
| 19:59.58 | TwistedLappy | guipy: I dont think so... becuase windows was installed on it and was right size.. |
| 20:00.03 | Lafitte- | anyone here able to get network monitor working on debian ? |
| 20:00.10 | runa | Wyzard: don't worry. I've just fixed it. |
| 20:00.24 | _cow | tarzeau, i want to finalize supercow first, then we'll have to trick neiljp-work into porting bub-n-bros to piggy ;) |
| 20:00.25 | giupy | TwistedLappy, splash screen too ? |
| 20:00.33 | tarzeau | jharrison: gnu.ethz.ch:55608 |
| 20:00.35 | tsw | TwistedLappy: oh its console.. then you have to change it in bios to "scale to fullscreen" or such.. or install svgatextmode or something |
| 20:00.36 | TwistedLappy | giupy: yes. |
| 20:00.39 | Wyzard | TwistedLappy: Plain text console is 640x480 or so... to make your text console fill up your whole screen without just doing ugly bitmap scaling, you need to use a framebuffer console |
| 20:00.41 | [sr] | Updating /usr/local/vmware/vmnet-bridge ... VMware Workstation 4.5.2 (build-8848) or VMware GSX Server 3.1.0 (build-9089), now patched |
| 20:00.42 | [sr] | haha |
| 20:00.46 | tarzeau | _cow: heh whatever |
| 20:00.49 | [sr] | i think it'll work now |
| 20:00.50 | [sr] | let me try |
| 20:00.53 | Wyzard | TwistedLappy: And set its resolution to the resolution of your LCD |
| 20:01.08 | Wyzard | [sr]: Now run vmware-config and it should use the 2.6 module build system |
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| 20:01.20 | jharrison | wwwwwweeeeeee |
| 20:01.21 | jharrison | bubbles |
| 20:02.08 | Lafitte- | anyone here able to get network monitor working on debian ? |
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| 20:02.36 | TwistedLappy | tsw: Installed xvgatextmode now just reboot? |
| 20:02.41 | Lafitte- | oh and in gnome sigh im tired |
| 20:02.44 | Wyzard | Lafitte-: What network monitor are you trying to use? |
| 20:03.28 | tsw | TwistedLappy: you have to configure it.. (cant remember where, but man xvgatextmode should tell) |
| 20:03.32 | Lafitte- | Wyzard, http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/rnwhatsnew.html figure 9 |
| 20:03.43 | TwistedLappy | tws: thanks |
| 20:04.17 | Wyzard | Lafitte-: I have one of those on my panel right now |
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| 20:04.43 | [sr] | runa Wyzard the patch it works:D |
| 20:04.47 | Lafitte- | Wyzard, what gnome you have ? mine is not in list to insert for some reason |
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| 20:05.28 | Lafitte- | Wyzard, what distro or install you have for linux ? |
| 20:05.48 | ircdevil | how do i print line 23434 from a text file - i forgot? |
| 20:06.40 | Wyzard | Lafitte-: It's a separate package, gnome-netstatus-applet |
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| 20:06.54 | Lafitte- | Wyzard, i have that how do i set up the icon then ? |
| 20:07.01 | takatumi | tarzeau: sorry didn't see your earlier hilight, not in a mood today, did bubble a few with my kid earlier though. He likes it. :) |
| 20:07.30 | Wyzard | Lafitte-: Add it to your panel like any other applet... its name in the list is "Network Monitor" |
| 20:07.44 | Lafitte- | Wyzard, thats the thing not in list for me |
| 20:08.02 | Lafitte- | Wyzard, is ther ea way to launch it another way i wonder ? |
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| 20:08.12 | tarzeau | takatumi: hehe cool ;) |
| 20:08.13 | Lafitte- | or what not i think is a service |
| 20:08.20 | [sr] | runa thanks:) |
| 20:08.38 | Wyzard | Lafitte-: You might need to restart GNOME. That's not supposed to be necessary, but detecting newly-available stuff on the menus depends on FAM, which is quirky |
| 20:08.55 | silverton | What packages does one need to compile a kernel? |
| 20:09.10 | valdyn | Lafitte-: netspeed - Traffic monitor applet for GNOME ? |
| 20:09.15 | Lafitte- | Wyzard, its not new never been there gnome hos been restarted man ytimes |
| 20:09.18 | Wyzard | valdyn: That's a different one |
| 20:09.29 | Lafitte- | valdyn, http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/rnwhatsnew.html figure 9 no this one |
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| 20:09.44 | PeTeRB | silverton: kernel-package |
| 20:10.14 | silverton | PeTeRB, thanks |
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| 20:10.31 | Wyzard | Lafitte-: You could try running /usr/lib/gnome-netstatus/gnome-netstatus-applet manually... I'm not sure what mechanism GNOME uses to find what should be in that list |
| 20:10.49 | PeTeRB | silverton: Make sure you read the docs, you might need more packages, depending on what config interface you'll use |
| 20:11.06 | silverton | PeTeRB, all I'm doing is picking a proc arch |
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| 20:11.30 | steve | okay- so i want to add this program to my path: |
| 20:11.33 | silverton | is there a trigger for dpkg that I can do? |
| 20:11.37 | steve | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.40 | Lafitte- | after i ran that the icon shows in list :P |
| 20:11.47 | Wyzard | silverton: You don't need to compile a whole new kernel just to use a different processor optimization... Debian's precompiled kernels come in several versions for various processors |
| 20:11.54 | Lafitte- | how do i make that run at startup ?? |
| 20:11.57 | moonaddict | how do I install the current (stock) kernel's sources + .config? which package is that? |
| 20:11.58 | Wyzard | steve: Why are you installing the JDK by hand? |
| 20:11.59 | silverton | Wyzard, not for the one I need |
| 20:12.14 | steve | how else should i install it? |
| 20:12.17 | steve | to get sun's? |
| 20:12.23 | TwistedLappy | !xserver |
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| 20:12.26 | Wyzard | steve: apt-cache show java-package, as I told you earlier |
| 20:12.30 | steve | not a knockoff free one |
| 20:12.37 | steve | i installed javapackage |
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| 20:12.40 | TwistedLappy | !xserver-free86 |
| 20:12.52 | steve | it doesn't work! |
| 20:12.58 | TwistedLappy | dammit... how do I get it to tell me about xserver? |
| 20:13.07 | Wyzard | steve: And used it to build a .deb from your Sun JDK tarball? |
| 20:13.12 | Lafitte- | Wyzard, hrmm different version but that was it :) |
| 20:13.23 | steve | i need to use ant! |
| 20:13.25 | moonaddict | kernel sources / .config? anyone? |
| 20:13.26 | Wyzard | steve: Or installed it, didn't read any documentation, and expected it to provide Sun Java by itself :-) |
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| 20:14.00 | Wyzard | steve: I'm running Eclipse 3.0.2 right now on Sun Java 1.5 installed by java-package |
| 20:14.06 | nksen | moonaddict: have a look at kernel.org |
| 20:14.26 | brader | I just downloaded the bin file from java.com and installed it |
| 20:14.39 | brader | Not like it is hard to do they give step by step moron instructions |
| 20:14.55 | moonaddict | nksen: that's generic kernel sources. yes. but I just want to sources (plus all debian patches) for the STOCK kernel that got installed when I installed debian. is there a package for that? |
| 20:14.57 | Wyzard | brader: That's the messy way that doesn't provide any sort of automatic uninstall, and doesn't satisfy dependencies for Debian packages |
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| 20:15.24 | Wyzard | brader: Much better to let java-package make a .deb out of it, and the install the .deb |
| 20:15.31 | websdale | moonaddict: no,don't do that - apt-get install kernel-source-<version> |
| 20:15.37 | brader | Bah messy yes but it works |
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| 20:16.13 | nksen | moonaddict: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 20:16.15 | brader | I hate Java anyway I rather cutt my nuts off then code in Java |
| 20:16.16 | Wyzard | brader: I never said it doesn't. It's not the preferred way of doing it, though. |
| 20:16.17 | fumbalah | has an apt-get version of kde 3.4 been released |
| 20:16.31 | steve | but how do i add something to my path? |
| 20:16.34 | websdale | moonaddict: kernel-source no image |
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| 20:16.53 | moonaddict | websdale: ok thanks |
| 20:17.04 | glick | excuse me, does anyone now how I insert an equation i write in openoffic math writer into an open office document? |
| 20:17.04 | nksen | moonaddict: appropriate source is 'apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 20:17.05 | Wyzard | steve: Please just use java-package to install Java properly, instead of adding more manual hacks? |
| 20:17.18 | steve | how do i install it properly? |
| 20:17.27 | Mithsir | Hi! I have a question about mem usage: free shows me, that I am not using swap. However, in ps, VSIZE and RSS are NOT equal. how can that be? |
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| 20:17.56 | Wyzard | steve: Use the "make-jpkg" program, provided by the "java-package" package, to make a .deb package out of the Sun JDK tarball that you downloaded |
| 20:18.04 | Wyzard | steve: rather than installing the JDK tarball directly |
| 20:18.29 | gvandora | Ok.. I have a problem. I'm trying to install debian on a dell inspiron 5150 via the netinstall cd. When it try to auto detect the CD rom it hangs on ide-ata. Any suggestions? |
| 20:18.36 | Wyzard | steve: It's as simple as "make-jpkg <filename of Sun tarball>" |
| 20:18.42 | Wyzard | steve: and then install the resulting .deb with dpkg |
| 20:19.06 | steve | okay |
| 20:19.18 | steve | i just did that and no i must eat humble pie |
| 20:19.23 | steve | !humble pie |
| 20:19.27 | steve | !botabuse |
| 20:19.27 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 20:19.40 | Lafitte- | Wyzard, how can i run the applet during boot time ? |
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| 20:20.14 | Wyzard | Lafitte-: If it's running when you log out, the panel will remember it again and run it when you log in |
| 20:20.18 | valdyn | Lafitte-: your applets to start when logging in are saved w/ you gnome session |
| 20:20.36 | Lafitte- | oic ok ill brb |
| 20:20.51 | brader | ok is there a way I can edit my desktop to run two commands at startup? |
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| 20:21.12 | Wyzard | steve: Not only is the .deb tracked by dpkg so you can uninstall it cleanly in the future, it "Provides:" all the Java-related virtual packages, so that other Debian packages which require Java will know that you have it. |
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| 20:22.18 | Xinux | BERRIES |
| 20:22.40 | Xinux | W3333333333D |
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| 20:23.02 | Xinux | mush SHROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMS |
| 20:23.28 | jariep1_ | what fille do I need to edit to add something to the boot script? |
| 20:24.08 | gvandora | I have a problem. I'm trying to install debian on a dell inspiron 5150 via the netinstall cd. When it try to auto detect the CD rom it hangs on ide-ata. Any suggestions? |
| 20:24.13 | brader | ok what is contrib path for SID useing ftp.debian.org? |
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| 20:24.57 | PeTeRB | jariep1_: Read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:25.03 | simonrvn | !aolify Xinux |
| 20:25.13 | appaji | brader: it is the same as main and non-free :-) replace main with contrib |
| 20:25.25 | brader | cool thanks |
| 20:25.26 | appaji | brader: what you want is an /etc/apt/sources.list line that looks like this |
| 20:25.35 | brader | got it |
| 20:25.40 | appaji | brader: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 20:25.53 | jariep1_ | ok thank you PeTeRB |
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| 20:26.33 | Akselii | gtg |
| 20:26.35 | Akselii | cya yall |
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| 20:28.25 | TwistedLappy | What is the command to reconfig xserver? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86? |
| 20:28.35 | PeTeRB | !drxx TwistedLappy |
| 20:28.36 | dpkg | TwistedLappy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 20:31.51 | OleMoudi | will a great update happen if my sources.list are "testing" repositories and I make a dist-upgrade the day after sarge release? to current sid packages or something like that? |
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| 20:34.02 | Wyzard | OleMoudi: No, but if you leave them like that, you'll continue to track testing as it continues to develop |
| 20:34.13 | Wyzard | OleMoudi: If you want to stick with sarge when it's released, change your sources to "sarge" |
| 20:34.22 | Wyzard | OleMoudi: (Before the release, the two are equivalent) |
| 20:34.55 | steve | what will the next testing be called? |
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| 20:34.59 | steve | buzz? |
| 20:35.04 | Wyzard | etch |
| 20:35.07 | Wyzard | There already was a buzz |
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| 20:35.54 | steve | when can i get etch? |
| 20:36.11 | Wyzard | When it's ready, as is always the policy with Debian releases |
| 20:36.21 | Wyzard | The name won't exist as an alias for testing until after sarge is released |
| 20:36.47 | OleMoudi | Wyzard, that's my intention, to stick with testing branch but, should I expect a notorious stability decrease along with testing updates in comparison with last period of testing lifetime ? |
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| 20:37.20 | Gnurdux | damn thw 6th |
| 20:37.21 | brader | ok just for you Wyzard I did it the deb way |
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| 20:37.45 | Wyzard | OleMoudi: Things will change faster than they are now, because testing won't be in freeze anymore, but the policy for propagation from unstable is the same as always |
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| 20:37.54 | OleMoudi | I see |
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| 20:38.23 | Wyzard | OleMoudi: New packages will spend some time in unstable where any major bugs will (presumably) be found and reported, and those buggy versions will not go into testing |
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| 20:39.25 | steve | what is a chm file |
| 20:39.27 | Wyzard | brader: And your system is cleaner for it :-) |
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| 20:39.46 | OleMoudi | steve, help document file |
| 20:39.50 | Wyzard | steve: "Compiled HTML" or something like that... it's a Windows help file |
| 20:39.54 | steve | can i view it in linux? |
| 20:39.59 | OleMoudi | yes stealth , xchm |
| 20:40.06 | OleMoudi | *steve |
| 20:40.08 | Supaplex | steve: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:40.46 | appaji | Wyzard: 10 days, no bugs that have severity more than serious = can go into testing :) |
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| 20:41.30 | appaji | but it also depends on the 'urgency' with which it was uploaded. |
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| 20:43.16 | paulswm | !test |
| 20:43.21 | paulswm | :( |
| 20:43.23 | sneex | !burp |
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| 20:43.34 | nse | hey.. where is sarge? |
| 20:43.36 | Xybernaut | My hda -> hda1 Primary Linux i to want this partition convert "ReiserFS" but how? |
| 20:43.39 | brader | !blart paulswm |
| 20:43.43 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: still timed out, I guess I'll leave it till tomorrow |
| 20:43.51 | liable_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.55 | liable_ | ffs |
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| 20:44.01 | paulswm | @fruitsmite brader |
| 20:44.05 | paulswm | :D |
| 20:44.08 | jerome | Xybernaut: you can't "convert" it without losing your data |
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| 20:44.48 | roo9 | hrm, i have a system with a network card that doesn't seem to be automatically detected by the debian installer, any ideas on how to get it up? |
| 20:44.48 | sneex | @fruitsmite sneex |
| 20:44.48 | brader | Bastage that hurt |
| 20:44.48 | sneex | !2ff |
| 20:44.48 | Xybernaut | jerome: What for ? |
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| 20:45.13 | jerome | Xybernaut: you want your /dev/hda1 formated in reiserfs, am i wrong ? |
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| 20:45.32 | Supaplex | @fruitsmite Supa's x-boss |
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| 20:45.42 | Supaplex | good bot. :) |
| 20:45.59 | jerome | Xybernaut: then mkfs.reiser /dev/hda1 will create a reiser FS, but you'll lose your data ... |
| 20:46.12 | Xybernaut | jerome: Yes this true... |
| 20:46.26 | paulswm | That's a pretty pathetic smite really |
| 20:46.55 | paulswm | @veggiesmite dpkg |
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| 20:49.38 | pipeline | Xybernaut: You don't want to create a reiser filesystem. |
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| 20:50.52 | Supaplex | @manuresmite slow drivers |
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| 20:50.55 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 20:51.34 | tarzeau | the real fruitsmite happens in #bub-n-bros with http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 20:51.38 | Xybernaut | pipeline: yes i m see to /dev/hdb1 but this hda1 file system different format. |
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| 20:51.42 | tarzeau | damn if only someone made a videoclip of it |
| 20:52.07 | Supaplex | just make a backup and restore after the format. |
| 20:52.12 | jariep1_ | how many debian channels are there? |
| 20:52.18 | Xybernaut | pipeline: -hda1 +hdb1 |
| 20:52.25 | pipeline | Xybernaut: You probably shouldn't be futzing around with Reiser at all, is what I meant. |
| 20:52.28 | tarzeau | !faq |
| 20:52.28 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:52.28 | Supaplex | jariep1_: they're all digital. |
| 20:52.30 | Xybernaut | tarzeau: hi :) |
| 20:52.32 | tarzeau | jariep1_: look there |
| 20:52.38 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: aleyküm selam, naberlik? |
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| 20:52.45 | roo9 | how can i find out what device is providing eth0 support? |
| 20:52.50 | roo9 | what kernel module i should say |
| 20:52.59 | Supaplex | lspci maybe |
| 20:53.11 | Xybernaut | tarzeau: Selam hdd ile ugrasiyorum file systemi degismis.(Icindede data cok) formatlamak istemiyorum. |
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| 20:54.06 | ribnitz | hello there. |
| 20:54.06 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: reisermi? |
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| 20:54.28 | Xybernaut | tarzeau: Reisermis ama simdi sadece partition Linux olarak gorunuyor. |
| 20:54.37 | ribnitz | Anyone here good with storage systems (lvm, possibly raid, possibly evms)? |
| 20:55.06 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: yandin abi YANDIN |
| 20:55.10 | ribnitz | Are there drawbacks to using things like lvm? - whats the benefit of using evms? |
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| 20:55.17 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: ates söndermelik su getireyimmi ? |
| 20:55.18 | ribnitz | tarzeau: evening |
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| 20:55.43 | user_user_ | can somebody help me out with a install of gnupgp, aptitude tries to remove bunch of packeges for some reason: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BGwQKq83.html |
| 20:55.46 | tarzeau | ribnitz: hi, when's the party in the reithalle? and WHERE? |
| 20:55.47 | Xybernaut | tarzeau: Boku yedin demek daha dogru olur. Daha iyi bir cozum biliyorum ben hddnin icine isiycem ehehgh |
| 20:56.09 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: cok iyisin. onu sunu bruak, nerelerdesin? rusyami? |
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| 20:56.19 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Party in the reithalle??? - I know nothing about it. |
| 20:56.22 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: kizlar ne alemde? sen neler ile ugrasiyorsun? |
| 20:56.27 | tarzeau | ribnitz: debian sarge party? |
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| 20:56.53 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I am a bad maintainer. |
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| 20:57.19 | ribnitz | tarzeau: but prsumably wdnesday, if we are on time. Searched events-eu? |
| 20:57.22 | TwistedLappy | WEeee |
| 20:57.35 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: yoyoyo |
| 20:57.48 | tarzeau | ribnitz: nop haven't. why are you a bad maintainer? who says so? |
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| 20:57.55 | Xybernaut | tarzeau: Rus kizlari nasil seklinde sorabilirsin :) Anlatamamam yasamak gerekiyor. Okul sirket goturuyoruz bir arada. |
| 20:57.57 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: What's cracking man... sorry I woke ypu.. |
| 20:58.01 | TwistedLappy | *you |
| 20:58.02 | tarzeau | ribnitz: no reason to not party that i am a sexy maintainer, is it? |
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| 20:58.05 | liable | user_user_: what about apt-get? |
| 20:58.14 | user_user_ | liable the same |
| 20:58.18 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: offf be, okadar güzelmi? |
| 20:58.18 | ribnitz | tarzeau: yes, you are. :) |
| 20:58.31 | liable | user_user_: apt-get -f install? |
| 20:58.31 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I havent touched my package in quite some time. |
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| 20:58.49 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: its cool. (=.. on the desktop, run dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt, then send this file to the laptop, then dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt, apt-get dselect-upgrade on the laptop. you get all the pkgs installed on the desktop this way. |
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| 20:59.14 | user_user_ | liable actaully apt-get gives a little different output, care to join #flood? |
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| 20:59.28 | liable | user_user_: there |
| 20:59.38 | stupidkid | If we have IPv6 enabled on your system, but don't have IPv6 |
| 20:59.39 | stupidkid | connectivity, then IPv6 enabled software (such as Firefox, dig, etc.) |
| 20:59.39 | stupidkid | will go look for a AAAA DNS record and try to connect to the IPv6 |
| 20:59.39 | stupidkid | address it gets there. It's slow to load a website |
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| 20:59.46 | stupidkid | hey |
| 20:59.50 | deadcat | moron |
| 20:59.50 | stupidkid | you read that |
| 20:59.50 | herby4631 | Anybody here who can assist by configuring xcdroast with cdrecord-ProDVD on Debian (especially cdrecord seems to be a problem !) |
| 20:59.53 | stupidkid | i that a bug |
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| 20:59.56 | deadcat | no we didnt |
| 20:59.56 | Xybernaut | tarzeau: Tek kelimeyle harika! Universitede calisiyorsun degilmi ? |
| 20:59.56 | fhffhqvb | !fuck stupidkid |
| 21:00.00 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: it's all good... just because desktop I installed anything/everything I ever thought I would ever use... I dont have that much HD space on this machine... so cant do that |
| 21:00.01 | stupidkid | :D |
| 21:00.05 | stupidkid | sorry |
| 21:00.11 | stupidkid | that's a bug in sarge |
| 21:00.13 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: elbette, tamam bizdede kizlar var ama yislerde yogun yani |
| 21:00.15 | stupidkid | you might read it |
| 21:00.20 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: true. |
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| 21:00.26 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: cok uzlu bisimkiler |
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| 21:00.33 | Xybernaut | tarzeau: Tatile geleyimmi oraya ? ehegh |
| 21:00.34 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: so its the tosh 9000 ya? |
| 21:00.34 | fhffhqvb | tarzeau: Porsok? |
| 21:00.47 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: yup... 27 gigs left ;) |
| 21:00.53 | ribnitz | herby4631: pretty much works out of the box, I think al lthats needed is one symlink. |
| 21:01.05 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: hot dang |
| 21:01.08 | tarzeau | Xybernaut: bilmem, ben hicbiyere gidemem malesef |
| 21:01.13 | tarzeau | fhffhqvb: SUSSUDIO! |
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| 21:01.30 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: now to copy all my mp'3s and run out of space ;) |
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| 21:01.34 | herby4631 | Hello ribnitz, I think I am not too professional to understand your answer ! |
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| 21:01.40 | wide_awake | hello |
| 21:01.40 | jenipapo | I use a nvidia video card on sarge together with the .run driver from Nvidia. Since some days, I have to reinstall i.e rerun at every boot?! |
| 21:01.41 | zano | where can i find a good ip accounting script ? something simple in bash maybe.... ?where can i find a good ip accounting script ? something simple in bash maybe.... ? |
| 21:01.52 | tarzeau | !repeat |
| 21:01.52 | dpkg | methinks repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 21:01.55 | jenipapo | any idea? |
| 21:02.04 | tarzeau | damn i've seen all kinds of repeats, but on a single line! |
| 21:02.07 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: hahahah. i only copy the current fav to the hd. like a huge ipod (=. 5LB ipod |
| 21:02.09 | tarzeau | !repeatsmite zano |
| 21:02.11 | Xybernaut | tarzeau: Varmi world map bakalim bi kac km rusya ve orasi. |
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| 21:02.28 | wide_awake | If I want to manually delete a user, do I just need to remove their line from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow? where else might they show up? |
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| 21:02.32 | fhffhqvb | !confuse Xybernaut |
| 21:02.33 | dpkg | Yes, how are your ferret today, Xybernaut? shirts of the monarchy of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 21:02.42 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: hahaha... |
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| 21:03.05 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: but at least you got a bigger screen |
| 21:03.13 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: (= |
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| 21:03.28 | zano | tarzeau: how about some real help... i had a bad middle mouse button... |
| 21:03.30 | scar_ | where can I change the ip address of the eth0 interface? |
| 21:03.32 | Xybernaut | haha |
| 21:03.41 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: http://www.met.ed.ac.uk/~hcp/t9000.html |
| 21:03.45 | zano | scar_: try /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:03.51 | zano | scar_: or man ifconfig |
| 21:03.57 | deadcat | scar_: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:04.04 | tarzeau | zano: i like iptraf and screen |
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| 21:04.28 | Xybernaut | Which torrent software best(for console possible text) ? |
| 21:04.31 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: already did that.. |
| 21:04.32 | zano | tarzeau: i need to put a limit ont the users download. |
| 21:04.55 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: how do you setup xvgatext???? |
| 21:04.59 | tarzeau | zano: and there's more than one user per interface i guess... |
| 21:05.01 | Raa | how do i change the ip address of eth0? i used ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.3 but when i reboot it changes back to what it was before |
| 21:05.04 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: what the f is that? |
| 21:05.10 | zano | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:05.49 | tarzeau | Raa: look man 5 interfaces |
| 21:05.54 | TwistedLappy | deadcat: my console size is 1/2 the size and in center.... doesnt stretch to sides... xserver works fine but bootup doesnt. |
| 21:06.22 | TwistedLappy | console isnt right size either |
| 21:06.34 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: thats your vga. set it to 791 or 788 |
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| 21:06.51 | TwistedLappy | grub setting fileS? |
| 21:06.55 | TwistedLappy | *file |
| 21:06.56 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: ya |
| 21:07.21 | jariep1_ | what file do I need to edit to add to the boot script of debian |
| 21:07.42 | valdyn | jariep1_: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 21:07.46 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: you might want to try this: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/splashy/splashy_0.1.3_i386.deb this is EXPERIMENTAL |
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| 21:07.52 | jariep1_ | am a newbie so I need a few pointers |
| 21:08.00 | silverton | splashy ? |
| 21:08.00 | deadcat | !newbie |
| 21:08.00 | dpkg | somebody said newbie was someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
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| 21:08.07 | felipe__ | hello grettings, im trying to instal debian sarge on a ibm eserver x255 series, under windows the information it says about the SCSI disc is, LSI Logic pci ultra32 |
| 21:08.14 | toresbe | jariep1_: int |
| 21:08.19 | toresbe | urgh |
| 21:08.20 | deadcat | silverton: ya. a boot up splash thing. not fancy but its something |
| 21:08.24 | toresbe | jariep1_: int *p; |
| 21:08.37 | silverton | deadcat, hmm.... better then watching text fly by I suppose |
| 21:08.39 | felipe__ | ive tried to load almost all kernel modules the cd installer has but i couldnt get sucess |
| 21:08.39 | ribnitz | Whats the benefit of using evms ontop of an lvm system (atm one large harddrive)? |
| 21:08.42 | deadcat | toresbe: hahah. bad programmer (= |
| 21:08.44 | sobersabre | felipe__, what seems to be the problem... |
| 21:08.44 | Raa | tarzeau: i used man 5 interfaces but it told me to go to /etc/network/if-* and these are empty directories. is there a single command i can use |
| 21:08.54 | sobersabre | what fails ? |
| 21:08.56 | tarzeau | Raa: look at mine |
| 21:09.00 | deadcat | silverton: ya. just for fun hehe |
| 21:09.01 | tarzeau | Raa: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 21:09.29 | silverton | deadcat, "grub-splashimages" |
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| 21:09.34 | silverton | well, if ya use grub ;P |
| 21:09.38 | tarzeau | _cow: alive still? |
| 21:09.56 | tarzeau | _cow: respect, you've survived my ugly source ;) |
| 21:10.03 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: you should install the toshutil or tosh-util package for your tosh. it might sleep your thing (=. |
| 21:10.05 | tarzeau | _cow: please say something! |
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| 21:10.22 | Supaplex | something |
| 21:10.33 | tarzeau | Supaplex: you ain't a cow, are you? |
| 21:10.33 | deadcat | silverton: thats grub. splashy is after grub. |
| 21:10.36 | Supaplex | m00 |
| 21:11.06 | deadcat | silverton: holy crap. i didnt know they have a grub-splashimages package (= |
| 21:11.07 | Supaplex | I'm a bovnineafide part time cow. |
| 21:11.20 | silverton | deadcat, you being sarcastic? |
| 21:11.29 | tarzeau | Supaplex: i like cows best on the grill |
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| 21:11.47 | tarzeau | !grill Supaplex |
| 21:11.58 | deadcat | silverton: no. i just make it myself. |
| 21:12.05 | ribnitz | Arent gnus bovine too? |
| 21:12.06 | silverton | deadcat, oh, okay |
| 21:12.07 | felipe__ | sobersabre the problem seems to be there isnt any suitable module |
| 21:12.23 | deadcat | silverton: luckily they all ugly so i dont have to feel too bad. (= |
| 21:12.27 | felipe__ | the kernel doesnt recognize de scsi hard discs |
| 21:12.32 | tarzeau | felipe__: which kernel? |
| 21:12.44 | felipe__ | 2.4.26 |
| 21:12.44 | silverton | deadcat, I dunno how to look at them >.< |
| 21:12.45 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: you hear that? grub-splashimages |
| 21:12.49 | tarzeau | felipe__: ah linux kernel |
| 21:12.53 | sobersabre | felipe__, can't you load it from floppy ? |
| 21:12.54 | deadcat | silverton: feh or display * |
| 21:13.01 | silverton | huh? |
| 21:13.16 | deadcat | silverton: use display(1) * from image-magick |
| 21:13.25 | Raa | tarzeau: thanks. thats exactly what i was after |
| 21:13.44 | silverton | deadcat, I have no clue what that is |
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| 21:13.51 | tarzeau | anyone wants to help GNU/kFreeBSD? |
| 21:13.55 | deadcat | silverton: its a package |
| 21:13.56 | giupy | how can i light up the lcd monitor of a laptop after used radeontool light off ? |
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| 21:14.00 | silverton | oh |
| 21:14.01 | user_user_ | is there a way to remove unstable kde libs, and bins, and install testing. withouhg reinstaling kde? |
| 21:14.16 | liable | ffs |
| 21:14.19 | deadcat | tarzeau: now you're just being rude (= |
| 21:14.33 | tarzeau | deadcat: come on, you know you want it, insert all your friends here: http://wiki.debian.net/?kfreebsdgnu |
| 21:14.37 | felipe__ | i have no idea...about what driver should i use |
| 21:14.47 | felipe__ | i ve tried with almost all scsi modules avaible on the cd |
| 21:14.47 | KragenSi1aker | hi. i seem to have a conflict between openoffice-de-en from knoppix and kdelibs-data from sarge |
| 21:14.50 | KragenSi1aker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.53 | KragenSi1aker | which is also in package openoffice-de-en |
| 21:14.53 | tarzeau | !knoppix |
| 21:14.54 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or no more debian then mandrake is redhat. |
| 21:15.08 | KragenSi1aker | i'm trying to figure out how to un-hose apt. |
| 21:15.17 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: un-hose knoppix first |
| 21:15.22 | user_user_ | liable i do not think reinstalling kde is a suitable solution. |
| 21:15.24 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: apt is perfectly fine |
| 21:15.32 | tarzeau | user_user_: i agree |
| 21:15.34 | silverton | deadcat, where are the splash images kept? |
| 21:15.40 | KragenSi1aker | tarzeau: what's the generic solution to this kind of problem? |
| 21:15.47 | KragenSi1aker | full details at http://www.canonical.org:8888/01/13 |
| 21:15.47 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: use debian. not knoppix |
| 21:15.48 | streuner | tarzeau: haha |
| 21:15.55 | KragenSi1aker | i've had it with debian too |
| 21:15.58 | deadcat | silverton: dpkg -L grub-splashimages |
| 21:16.01 | KragenSi1aker | i solved it then by reinstalling |
| 21:16.16 | Supaplex | want redhat? don't use mandrake. want debian? don't use a knockoff. |
| 21:16.19 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: and you wonder? |
| 21:16.23 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: so uninstall knoppix, and install Debian. Problem solved. |
| 21:16.33 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: kde and gnome are packages that are broken for eternity |
| 21:16.44 | KragenSi1aker | well, i'd be perfectly happy with the answer "uninstall kde" |
| 21:16.48 | KragenSi1aker | if you can tell me how to uninstall kde |
| 21:16.48 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: not really testing+ both metapackages hardly ever work |
| 21:16.58 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: can you just install debian please? |
| 21:17.05 | tarzeau | !mix |
| 21:17.05 | dpkg | somebody said mix was Donald Knuths fictional computer from his "The Art of Computer Programming" books, or 1009 |
| 21:17.07 | silverton | how does one view .xpm.gz files? |
| 21:17.17 | KragenSi1aker | tarzeau: actually no --- i want the data on this machine |
| 21:17.18 | tarzeau | silverton: gunzip the.xpm.gz && feh the.xpm |
| 21:17.19 | user_user_ | i just have 1 or 2 packages from unstable, imo libs, and bins.... don't think the answer would be reinstall kde :/ |
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| 21:17.33 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: actually nobody helps knoppix users here. since these are debian users here |
| 21:17.34 | ribnitz | KragenSi1aker: Theres a netinst cd floating around, you will porbably be much faster installing that.. |
| 21:17.37 | silverton | feh == command not found |
| 21:17.42 | tarzeau | silverton: apt-get install feh |
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| 21:17.50 | MobyTurbo | !d-i KragenSi1aker |
| 21:17.50 | dpkg | KragenSi1aker, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 21:17.54 | streuner | !installit |
| 21:17.54 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 21:18.18 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 21:18.21 | Triffid_Hunter | lol |
| 21:18.38 | KragenSi1aker | so in general, how do you solve the "these two packages conflict because they both want to install this file" problem with apt? |
| 21:18.43 | ribnitz | user_user_: the answer would be switch to sid... |
| 21:18.47 | user_user_ | i s there way to resintall some package? |
| 21:18.53 | Azar | I just found The table of equivalents / replacements / analogs of Windows software in Linux and sharing it: http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html |
| 21:18.56 | KragenSi1aker | details in my case are at http://www.canonical.org:8888/01/13 |
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| 21:18.59 | tarzeau | user_user_: --reinstall |
| 21:19.04 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: use Debian because its repositories are less fouled up than Knoppix. |
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| 21:19.11 | tarzeau | !tell KragenSi1aker about repeat |
| 21:19.12 | ribnitz | KragenSi1aker: you file a bug. |
| 21:19.25 | tarzeau | ribnitz: not when he's using knoppix |
| 21:19.29 | KragenSi1aker | ribnitz: but how do you fix it on the box where the bug occurred? |
| 21:19.29 | streuner | for knoppix? |
| 21:19.33 | tarzeau | ribnitz: that'll only piss off debian maintainers |
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| 21:20.04 | KragenSi1aker | i'm perfectly happy to upgrade to debian from where i am --- in fact that's what i'm trying to do |
| 21:20.15 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Well, it might actually be a forgotten conflics: no? |
| 21:20.17 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: you can't upgrade from knoppix to debian |
| 21:20.18 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: you can't upgrade to Debian via Knoppix. |
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| 21:20.22 | user_user_ | tarzeau i'm not using knoppix, or just lost the track of conversation :) |
| 21:20.24 | vmx | hi! is there a special channel for apt-build questions? |
| 21:20.24 | KragenSi1aker | i'm just not interested in completely paving over the box. |
| 21:20.27 | deconvolution | hi, i installed a new SATA drive to a asus board. Which harddisk tool can help to find if it works and which /dev symbol it is assigned to ? |
| 21:20.28 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: give me five! |
| 21:20.37 | tarzeau | user_user_: yes, KragenSi1aker is |
| 21:20.42 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: great minds think alike. :-) |
| 21:20.48 | KragenSi1aker | well. I *was*. |
| 21:20.51 | user_user_ | tarzeau sorry, wasn't sure who you where talking about |
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| 21:21.40 | tarzeau | vmx: just ask |
| 21:21.42 | silverton | so, just having the .xpm file in the splashimages dir, it will automatically load it? |
| 21:21.48 | tarzeau | silverton: no |
| 21:21.54 | silverton | oh |
| 21:21.57 | tarzeau | silverton: why do you even care about splashimages? |
| 21:22.03 | ribnitz | deconvolution: what kernel version? |
| 21:22.08 | deconvolution | 2.6.11.7 |
| 21:22.08 | silverton | no clue tarzeau |
| 21:22.09 | tarzeau | silverton: every second displaying a splashimage is a wasted second |
| 21:22.18 | deconvolution | ribnitz: 2.6.11.7 |
| 21:22.20 | ribnitz | deconvolution: /dev/sdX.. |
| 21:22.37 | user_user_ | btw, did anyone sucessfully run uml on 2.6.x? |
| 21:22.39 | ribnitz | deconvolution: dmesg |grep SATA |
| 21:22.42 | chealer | user_user_: why would downgrading KDE help? |
| 21:22.59 | deconvolution | ribnitz: it return nothing |
| 21:23.07 | user_user_ | chealer cause i just got 2 packages that are in sid instead of testing, all the rest is in testing |
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| 21:23.16 | tarzeau | user_user_: don't mix |
| 21:23.25 | chealer | user_user_: and why would downgrading them help? |
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| 21:23.35 | user_user_ | chealer so everything goes back to testing? |
| 21:24.02 | ribnitz | deconvolution: have you loaded your sata module (what sata controller)? |
| 21:24.21 | vmx | why does apt-build want to change into a wrong directory? http://paste.phpfi.com/63943 |
| 21:24.35 | deconvolution | ribnitz: silicon image |
| 21:24.41 | chealer | user_user_: I was asking you why would that help? |
| 21:24.55 | Supaplex | user_user_: tarzeau told you 5 minutes ago. --reinstall. eg, apt-get install --reinstall foo |
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| 21:25.11 | deconvolution | ribnitz: any kernel configuration i have to check? |
| 21:25.14 | ribnitz | deconvolution: modprobe sata_sil |
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| 21:25.39 | ribnitz | deconvolution: dmesg |grep sata_sil |
| 21:26.12 | deconvolution | ribnitz: still nothing ... do I have to re-compile kernel module? |
| 21:26.15 | user_user_ | Supaplex he dint' propose the solution, i asked if there was resintall, and i just got it working. thanks for the input tho. |
| 21:26.24 | Supaplex | np |
| 21:26.32 | user_user_ | chealer so, it does not want to remove all my other packages? |
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| 21:26.56 | bug_code | hi everybody |
| 21:26.59 | KragenSi1aker | fwiw the answer to my question was dpkg --purge openoffice-de-en |
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| 21:27.02 | Supaplex | and you can downgrade, but it's unsupported, and highly likely to break. (backup your configs first, and keep a livecd handy... :P ) |
| 21:27.09 | chealer | user_user_: I must have missed the description of your problem |
| 21:27.10 | KragenSi1aker | and that would have been the same regardless of whether it was knoppix or not. |
| 21:27.20 | ribnitz | deconvolution: you need to get a sata_sil module one way or another |
| 21:27.20 | bug_code | Where I can download driver codes ..like nv.o |
| 21:27.39 | streuner | bu_code: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:27.43 | user_user_ | chealer http://rafb.net/paste/results/BGwQKq83.html see here, when i was tring to install the gnupg it tried to remove a lot of packages, but i just got that fixed |
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| 21:28.29 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: "the answer to my question was rpm -e foo, and that would have been the same if I was asking a SuSE question in the Red Hat channel or not" |
| 21:28.37 | Supaplex | KragenSi1aker: True. But don't think for a minute it justifies knoppix support in debian. knoppix is no more debian then mandrake is redhat. just because they share the same package management system, doesn't mean they'll operate the same. |
| 21:28.51 | streuner | !tell sepen about away |
| 21:29.00 | KragenSi1aker | supaplex: is there a generic place to ask dpkg questions? |
| 21:29.04 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: likewise? |
| 21:29.14 | user_user_ | either way thanks a lot |
| 21:29.30 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: general Linux questions can be answered in ##linux or #linuxhelp |
| 21:29.36 | deadcat | seldon: thats. soooo leet |
| 21:29.43 | seldon | ? |
| 21:29.44 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: dpkg is not a general linux utility |
| 21:29.46 | chealer | user_user_: which dependency(s) of gnupg2 aren't satisfied? |
| 21:29.51 | KragenSi1aker | it's specifically a debian utility |
| 21:29.52 | deadcat | seldon: wrong dude. (= |
| 21:29.59 | seldon | Okaaaay... |
| 21:30.01 | deadcat | seldon: it was ment for that asshole (= |
| 21:30.10 | seldon | *reads* |
| 21:30.36 | Supaplex | KragenSi1aker: I understand you don't want to toss your data just to migrate to debian. If I were in your situation, knowing what I know about this process, I'd tarball my /home and any important configs, and start fresh on debian. Then I'd restore piecemail or compare diffs to see if the backup is what I really need (eg, configs). |
| 21:30.43 | user_user_ | chealer no, it is not gnupgp2 problems it keeps some packages kept back for some reason. after i had my problem fixed, but i'm not entirely sure about why. besides the general kept back reason. that some dependencies have not been met |
| 21:30.48 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: well, #debian is crowded enough without making it be the channel of all deb using distros. |
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| 21:31.03 | myren | wwwaaaa! my foot is SO hardcore asleep |
| 21:31.14 | KragenSi1aker | Supaplex, MobyTurbo: I understand the frustration |
| 21:31.18 | myren | the good news is, i just saved 200 megs on my car insura^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hlaptop |
| 21:31.25 | KragenSi1aker | but in a few more minutes i will be running debian |
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| 21:32.02 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: the answer to your question depended on which package dependency was fouled up, so that was a knoppix-specific question. |
| 21:32.04 | ribnitz | KragenSi1aker: well trained monkeys take about 20-30 mins for a base install. |
| 21:32.05 | Supaplex | you're running KragenSi1akero linux. |
| 21:32.20 | KragenSi1aker | heh |
| 21:32.28 | KragenSi1aker | true, but not for much longer |
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| 21:32.29 | streuner | very easy... |
| 21:32.31 | chealer | user_user_: hum, is english your native language? |
| 21:32.56 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: but i explained which package dependency was fouled up |
| 21:33.41 | user_user_ | chealer sorry, nope |
| 21:33.51 | KragenSi1aker | ribnitz: it sort of sounds like you're trying to insult me, but you're mostly missing the point |
| 21:34.11 | chealer | user_user_: sorry, I must be too tired to understand your answer to my question |
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| 21:34.33 | user_user_ | chealer it is okay, i'm tired my self. and people are waiting for me, so i'll leave it intill little later |
| 21:34.35 | nunez | Anybody in here having success with bootsplash? |
| 21:34.40 | user_user_ | so if you please excuse me |
| 21:34.41 | tarzeau | nunez: no |
| 21:34.46 | tarzeau | !anybody |
| 21:34.46 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:34.58 | user_user_ | good luck |
| 21:35.02 | ribnitz | KragenSi1aker: I didnt try to insult you, all I said was it usually takes about hlaf an hour for a base system. |
| 21:35.14 | nunez | tarzeau: damn, nobody does? |
| 21:35.18 | nunez | that sucks! |
| 21:35.27 | tarzeau | nunez: no. not any one on this large earth |
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| 21:35.33 | Supaplex | nunez: yea, not even the developers *cough* |
| 21:35.34 | MobyTurbo | ribnitz: he's probably mixing Debian repositories and Knoppix, after being warned that it doesn't produce real Debian. |
| 21:35.35 | nunez | tarzeau: not that large |
| 21:35.39 | tarzeau | nunez: no. bootsplash sucks |
| 21:35.52 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: no, i'm not doing that |
| 21:36.01 | deconvolution | ribnitz: i didnt install SATA driver, thanks very much for the help |
| 21:36.08 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: you are hilarious. he's not doing that |
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| 21:36.14 | ribnitz | deconvolution: works now? |
| 21:36.19 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: OK. :-) |
| 21:36.25 | deconvolution | ribnitz: compiling...:) |
| 21:36.39 | Supaplex | what's the point of a boot spalsh when you don't reboot but a few times a year, if that? |
| 21:36.49 | tarzeau | Supaplex: none. but they don't get it |
| 21:36.53 | K_Dallas | so, is the big day near? any words on Sarge yet? (insider takes?) |
| 21:36.53 | Lafitte- | could anyone walk me through jave install for my firefox ? |
| 21:36.57 | ribnitz | deconvolution: I use standard prebuilt kernels, but I dont have special needs. |
| 21:36.58 | KragenSi1aker | tarzeau: it seems that you're producing negative help --- every line you type actually makes it harder for people to achieve what they're trying to. why do you bother to keep typing? |
| 21:37.01 | Supaplex | I don't even recall what my post screen looks like. |
| 21:37.04 | tarzeau | !topicsmite K_Dallas |
| 21:37.05 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon K_Dallas. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:37.18 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: killing time |
| 21:37.22 | K_Dallas | :) good one |
| 21:37.23 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: actually i help , sometimes |
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| 21:37.44 | KragenSi1aker | tarzeau: maybe you should just kill your own time instead of other people's time. i haven't seen any evidence of you helping anyone yet! |
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| 21:37.57 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: you haven't been here long enough |
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| 21:38.07 | deconvolution | ribnitz: SATA is about ATA drive but the section is hidden in SCSI-lowlevel dirver section |
| 21:38.07 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: see what you get for speaking nicely of him? ;-) |
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| 21:38.19 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: infidels! |
| 21:38.22 | KragenSi1aker | i've been here long enough to see you type several hundred words! |
| 21:38.30 | K_Dallas | well, i forgot to read the topic when i joined a while back and since it is a looong topic, it does not fit onto my topbar |
| 21:38.35 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: that's not long enough my dear |
| 21:38.43 | streuner | !seen tarzeau |
| 21:38.43 | dpkg | tarzeau is currently on #debian #debian-devel. Has said a total of 27386 messages. Is idling for 8s |
| 21:38.47 | Supaplex | K_Dallas: /eval echo $topic |
| 21:38.50 | ribnitz | deconvolution: After doing some kernels, I no longer saw the need for doing my own, since then I use kernel-image-..# |
| 21:38.52 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 21:39.02 | WhiteNinja | nice evening... have a problem.. a box without monitor... just started.. the firewall is active but should not be.. have I a chance to disable the firewall from console? any helpfull hints are greatfull accepted... |
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| 21:39.17 | KragenSi1aker | whiteninja: do you have a console at all? |
| 21:39.17 | tarzeau | WhiteNinja: what kernel version? |
| 21:39.27 | ribnitz | deconvolution: SATA-I is ATA witrh a different plug. |
| 21:39.30 | deconvolution | ribnitz: i found make bzImage is more understandable than debian's way:P |
| 21:39.36 | silverton | How would I install a kernel for another system, on my system, without it updating grub with this kernel |
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| 21:39.48 | WhiteNinja | its kernel 2.6x.. and i can get access to any console.. but not via ssh as i thought |
| 21:39.55 | ribnitz | deconvolution: apt-get install kernel-image-foo.bar-baz? |
| 21:39.59 | Triffid_Hunter | silverton: make bzImage modules |
| 21:39.59 | tarzeau | silverton: copy kernel modules and kernel over. fix boot loader |
| 21:40.10 | K_Dallas | Supaplex, that did not work on my xchat! /eval, unknowm |
| 21:40.15 | joe|code | How do I exit X with Debian? |
| 21:40.15 | KragenSi1aker | silverton: is dpkg --unpack what you want? |
| 21:40.17 | Triffid_Hunter | silverton: then copy to the other box and make install, or whatever you use to install a new kernel |
| 21:40.32 | KragenSi1aker | joe|code: you mean, like ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 21:40.38 | tarzeau | joe|code: pkill -9 X |
| 21:40.47 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: that could be disabled |
| 21:40.53 | KragenSi1aker | tarzeau: true |
| 21:40.53 | WhiteNinja | the box should be the apt-proxy :-(... forget to disable the firewall |
| 21:41.03 | qbwdp | ctrl-alt-f1; killall X |
| 21:41.18 | KragenSi1aker | well, ctrl-alt-f1 might suffice for many people |
| 21:41.27 | KragenSi1aker | i think he may have succeeded |
| 21:41.27 | sneex | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 21:41.32 | tarzeau | yeah, and if it doesn't work try alt-f4 |
| 21:41.56 | ribnitz | ctrl-alt-fX is so linuxy.. |
| 21:41.57 | Supaplex | K_Dallas: works in a few other irc clients. try just /topic |
| 21:42.00 | qbwdp | ctrl-alt-back <------ only restarts X |
| 21:42.07 | tarzeau | qbwdp: no it kills X |
| 21:42.08 | deconvolution | ribnitz: 3 years ago when i read debian install manual i found it mention 3 different ways to do the kernel, which confused me a lot so i just have been using the most general since then |
| 21:42.12 | KragenSi1aker | well, it causes X to exit |
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| 21:42.14 | K_Dallas | Supaplex, that worked, thank you |
| 21:42.14 | tarzeau | qbwdp: the display manager restarts it maybe |
| 21:42.20 | KragenSi1aker | joe|code: was that what you wanted? |
| 21:42.37 | joe|code | KragenSi1aker, that took me to GDM, I need a command line. |
| 21:42.41 | ribnitz | deconvolution: Sometime I discovered the standard kernel had all I needed... |
| 21:42.44 | tarzeau | joe|code: chvt 1 |
| 21:42.45 | KragenSi1aker | joe|code: try ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 21:42.54 | KragenSi1aker | or sudo chvt 1, yes |
| 21:43.07 | joe|code | ok one moment. I will try it. |
| 21:43.15 | KragenSi1aker | that will leave X running |
| 21:43.16 | OhSmiTt | is there a way to do mirror installs of a currently running system (installs of packages that is) |
| 21:43.20 | KragenSi1aker | but you won't see it |
| 21:43.25 | WhiteNinja | hm.. sorry if I missed something... my english is not so good.. have I a chance to disable the firewall... typing some commands without monitor? have only keyboard at hand |
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| 21:43.33 | streuner | !listkeys clone |
| 21:43.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clone' by key (5): debian clone ;; ale clone ;; clone #DEL# ;; clone ;; ale-clone. |
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| 21:43.54 | KragenSi1aker | WhiteNinja: it is probably possible --- i think i'd haveto know the machine pretty well to make it work |
| 21:44.04 | tarzeau | WhiteNinja: maybe iptables -F |
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| 21:44.21 | OhSmiTt | streuner: thanks |
| 21:44.33 | streuner | hm |
| 21:44.34 | KragenSi1aker | since you'd have to get it to boot, log in, and type the command correctly without a monitor |
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| 21:44.50 | KragenSi1aker | if the machine has a speaker, echo ^V^G may be helpful to beep and let you know you logged in |
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| 21:45.03 | KragenSi1aker | WhiteNinja: do you have a printer and a printer port on the machine? |
| 21:45.09 | WhiteNinja | hm.. it works.. i have to reboot the machine sometimes... can I disable the firewall permanently? it is a home-network behind a router with hardware-firewall at all |
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| 21:45.44 | WhiteNinja | no KragenSi1aker , just installed a basic-server |
| 21:45.45 | jamie_ | can someone tell me why anytime i try to install source i get errors during the make command and can't go any further? |
| 21:45.54 | WhiteNinja | with nfs, vnc and so on |
| 21:46.04 | streuner | !b-e jamie_ |
| 21:46.05 | dpkg | jamie_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 21:46.05 | WhiteNinja | nfs would work, vnc.. if the firewall is down |
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| 21:46.31 | jamie_ | hmmm ok, i've tried to install all the gcc libraries i could find, but it was just a shot in the dark, i have no idea what i'm doing :-) |
| 21:47.00 | Lafitte- | anyone here able to help me out im having issues trying to install sun java |
| 21:47.02 | streuner | jamie_: just install build-essential and /msg dpkg search |
| 21:47.02 | jamie_ | sure enough apt-get build-essential installed several files, lets tryi it again |
| 21:47.26 | roam | Lafitte-: what issues? |
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| 21:47.45 | MobyTurbo | Lafitte-: /msg dpkg java |
| 21:48.00 | Lafitte- | roam well i cant find any apt-get files and i downloaded the self extractor but cant get it to work because system says might be dangerous |
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| 21:48.39 | Lafitte- | MobyTurbo, nothing happens |
| 21:48.48 | tarzeau | Lafitte-: i386? |
| 21:48.48 | roam | Lafitte-: /msg dpkg java |
| 21:48.55 | tarzeau | dpkg tell Lafitte- about java |
| 21:48.59 | Lafitte- | im i386 |
| 21:49.01 | silverton | How do I share a folder for another linux box to see/read from ? |
| 21:49.07 | tarzeau | Lafitte-: maybe your irc client is utterly broken |
| 21:49.13 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 21:49.13 | dpkg | hmm... folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 21:49.25 | streuner | silverton: *cough* NFS |
| 21:49.26 | tarzeau | silverton: using /etc/exports |
| 21:49.35 | tarzeau | silverton: man is your friend |
| 21:49.54 | silverton | :-/ I don't have an exports file |
| 21:49.55 | deadcat | !folder |
| 21:49.55 | dpkg | folder is probably a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 21:49.59 | tarzeau | silverton: man touch |
| 21:50.03 | MobyTurbo | Lafitte-: apt-get install java-package, and use "fakeroot make-jpkg" on your java file to produce a deb. Then "dpkg -i" the resulting deb |
| 21:50.14 | streuner | silverton: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server |
| 21:50.30 | tarzeau | silverton: example: /tftpboot/sparc 192.168.0.110(rw,no_root_squash,sync) |
| 21:50.45 | Supaplex | WhiteNinja: if you're a good typer, login on a free vt and type: iptables-save | perl -pe '$_ =~ s/^(:\S+\s)(\S+)(\s.*)$/$1ACCEPT$3/;$_ =~ s/^-A(.*)/-D$1/' | iptables-restore |
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| 21:51.07 | tarzeau | Supaplex: blind? haha you're on crack |
| 21:51.08 | silverton | Not starting NFS kernel daemon: No exports. |
| 21:51.20 | Supaplex | I've done worse blind :) |
| 21:51.22 | tarzeau | silverton: well i told you what to write into /etc/exports and read man 5 exports |
| 21:51.27 | tarzeau | Supaplex: respect |
| 21:51.30 | WhiteNinja | ups--- i guess.. thats to complicated |
| 21:51.38 | jamie_ | holy sh*t it worked, god bless you my son :-D |
| 21:51.50 | deadcat | jamie_: shutup |
| 21:52.04 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: wonder what you typed |
| 21:52.22 | WhiteNinja | hm.. maybe i have to look for a monitor and keyboard... |
| 21:52.32 | K_Dallas | :) i didnt know the system had a password, so what i typed actually changed the password without me knowing what it was |
| 21:52.33 | WhiteNinja | and reboot the machine then |
| 21:52.52 | streuner | !libranet |
| 21:52.52 | dpkg | libranet is probably a Debian based distribution that includes many enhancements such as: updated packages, including GNOME, KDE, XFree86, reiserfs, etc., a fast, easy install and, a preconfigured desktop. More information at the Libranet homepage: http://libranet.com, or non-free; read the license on their CD images carefully (if you think it's GPL, you're reading the wrong thing), or there is/was a channel #libranet, but it may be dead |
| 21:52.57 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: and they can't even reset a password? |
| 21:53.07 | jethro | tarzeau: ready? |
| 21:53.07 | streuner | deadcat: well, this moron running prolly libranet... |
| 21:53.20 | K_Dallas | tarzeau, i actually took the denial road so didnt engage in the recovery much |
| 21:53.25 | tarzeau | jethro: to go to bed. it's 23:55 here |
| 21:53.29 | apfel | Do I need to install mozilla-firefox-locale-ja in order to *display* japanese characters or does this switch the menu language? |
| 21:53.36 | deadcat | streuner: ah.. they ALWAYS claim to be running debian though (= |
| 21:53.38 | tarzeau | apfel: no. yes |
| 21:53.41 | jethro | tarzeau: here too :) |
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| 21:53.49 | tarzeau | apfel: you need japanese fonts |
| 21:53.57 | silverton | tarzeau, /tftpboot/sparc, what is that? |
| 21:53.59 | deadcat | streuner: i am gonna start claiming i run mandrake (= |
| 21:54.03 | Supaplex | !squares |
| 21:54.03 | dpkg | don't trip man! those square charaters are cause by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or did you see boxes to? |
| 21:54.06 | tarzeau | deadcat, streuner we need to figure some trick question |
| 21:54.11 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.14 | tarzeau | deadcat: mandriva you mean |
| 21:54.16 | streuner | tarzeau: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:54.23 | apfel | tarzeau: Any debian package for that or isn't this shipped with debian? |
| 21:54.25 | Supaplex | get it? trippin on squares? :P |
| 21:54.32 | tarzeau | streuner: yeah these kind of questions are good |
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| 21:55.21 | myren | ugg, this slapd change to 2.2 is killing me |
| 21:55.21 | jamie_ | you know i switched to linux like two months ago and went on a splurge of trying TONS of distros, and before coming to the conclusion they're all about the same i found debian and omg it really is the best one, i don't see how anyone could get more benefit out of another distro, course i'm still working on learning it though :-) |
| 21:55.22 | tarzeau | apfel: i don't know jap, but try #debian-japanese |
| 21:55.22 | Abysmal | afternoon all.. I got a question.. I just did an apt-get upgrade and now I cna't get the networking to come up.. |
| 21:55.28 | tarzeau | apfel: not sure if links2 -g can do jap |
| 21:55.37 | myren | jamie_: sounds about right. |
| 21:55.37 | streuner | tarzeau: well, soon or later they learn that debian-based distros arent debian... |
| 21:55.58 | tarzeau | streuner: hopefully. actually my gnustep live cd is sid |
| 21:56.06 | apfel | tarzeau: Thanks! |
| 21:56.11 | tarzeau | streuner: no non-debian , no non-main stuff |
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| 21:56.46 | streuner | tarzeau: i wouldnt call that gnustep then ;-) |
| 21:57.16 | tarzeau | streuner: call it what? debian goldstep deluxe? |
| 21:57.19 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: even the hardware detection is Debian? |
| 21:57.31 | streuner | tarzeau: hehe :-) |
| 21:57.37 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: ok it's morphix, and it's broken majorly, but i've fixed the big nos |
| 21:57.46 | Abysmal | can anyone help with my networking problem? |
| 21:57.52 | deadcat | Abysmal: ask |
| 21:57.55 | tarzeau | Abysmal: if we could read mind |
| 21:57.58 | MobyTurbo | brb, got to eat. |
| 21:57.59 | Abysmal | i did.. |
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| 21:58.07 | Abysmal | I just did an apt-get upgrade and now I cna't get the networking to come up.. |
| 21:58.18 | tarzeau | where's my 5 cm diameter needles |
| 21:58.30 | deadcat | Abysmal: i wasnt paying attention |
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| 21:58.35 | tarzeau | Abysmal: do you have debian? |
| 21:58.44 | Abysmal | i've been married too long 5cm needles just tickle.. |
| 21:58.45 | Abysmal | yes |
| 21:58.47 | deadcat | in fact. i never do. i just make up answers |
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| 21:59.03 | tarzeau | Abysmal: awwww |
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| 21:59.20 | Supaplex | deadcat: he forgot to prime the connector with abc gum. |
| 21:59.24 | deadcat | Abysmal: we dont need to hear your sexual preferrence. |
| 21:59.41 | deadcat | Supaplex: i dont get it. (= |
| 21:59.42 | Abysmal | its not preference.. it fact |
| 21:59.47 | tarzeau | deadcat: at least he didn't post goatse pictures |
| 21:59.48 | KragenSi1aker | jamie_: ubuntu and knoppix have historically been easier to install and nearly as good |
| 21:59.57 | deadcat | tarzeau: of him? (= |
| 22:00.03 | Supaplex | oi |
| 22:00.17 | dpy | does anyone here know how to manage more than one device via dund ? how do I set up the individual ip addresses for each ppp/rfcomm connection ? |
| 22:00.26 | deadcat | or mr and mrs goatse (= |
| 22:01.08 | paulswm | !tickle jethro |
| 22:01.08 | Supaplex | deadcat: you're holding out on us aren't you? you have your own personal goatse album featuing yourself in your finer moments? right? |
| 22:01.23 | paulswm | Hooray, dpkg loves me again and tickle is fixed :) |
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| 22:01.30 | Abysmal | i have 2 nics in the box.. both are static ips one of the nicks being disconnected so ufup reports the nics as configured and ifconfig show the right config |
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| 22:01.48 | deadcat | Supaplex: i saw that pic once. and it wasnt untill way later i found out the name of that pic.. it was just a dude with a huge asshole (= |
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| 22:02.22 | Supaplex | !tickle self |
| 22:02.32 | Supaplex | euuu dpkg |
| 22:02.32 | paulswm | YAY! |
| 22:02.33 | deadcat | Supaplex: shutup |
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| 22:02.45 | paulswm | !fruitsmite deadcat |
| 22:02.54 | Supaplex | in the eyes! |
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| 22:03.40 | tarzeau | paulswm: mmm that'd be great lemonjuice |
| 22:03.43 | Abysmal | i'm goona reboot and go throgh syslog.. see if i can find anything |
| 22:04.06 | paulswm | tarzeau: lemons mixed with dead cat? :P |
| 22:04.15 | tarzeau | paulswm: drop the cat |
| 22:04.18 | deadcat | paulswm: dont sound good (= |
| 22:04.27 | paulswm | !veggiesmite tarzeau |
| 22:04.32 | paulswm | :D |
| 22:04.34 | tarzeau | paulswm: i hate vegetables |
| 22:04.42 | Supaplex | but they lubbor you |
| 22:04.50 | deadcat | !pimpslap paulswm |
| 22:04.51 | tarzeau | spank me with a banana |
| 22:05.12 | paulswm | tarzeau: But they are good for you, man, you can't live off dragon's bananas and gnusteps :) |
| 22:05.27 | K_Dallas | a basic bash question: if a file name starts like this: -this-strange-file.ext, how do you rename or manage it on command line? double quote did not work as it got - as a flag option for mv for instance |
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| 22:05.34 | jethro | !irritate me |
| 22:05.34 | dpkg | jethro: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh mouse ????? |
| 22:05.35 | Azar | oh it happened again: I lost "last" how do I fix that? |
| 22:05.40 | deadcat | K_Dallas: ./-blah |
| 22:05.43 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: mv -- -file newfile |
| 22:05.57 | K_Dallas | i see, thanks guys |
| 22:06.08 | robin_sz | sigh ... so .. opnvpn. nicely installed on my Sarge system, but complianing it can't find openssl.cnf ... |
| 22:06.14 | paulswm | jethro: dpkg lubs me again and I fixed 'tickle' :) |
| 22:06.19 | robin_sz | did someone miss it off the list of dependencies |
| 22:06.20 | jethro | paulswm: :) |
| 22:06.21 | robin_sz | ?? |
| 22:06.52 | paulswm | deadcat: 'pimpslap', heh |
| 22:07.11 | deadcat | paulswm: hehe. stupid bot. |
| 22:07.20 | robin_sz | howcome debian always seems ot have trouble with stuff built around openssl?? |
| 22:07.30 | pipeline | because OpenSSL sucks. |
| 22:07.30 | tarzeau | robin_sz: the license |
| 22:07.33 | deadcat | robin_sz: lazy developers? |
| 22:07.37 | Azar | last: /var/log/wtmp: No such file or directory |
| 22:07.39 | pipeline | Use GNUTLS |
| 22:07.40 | sneex | @fruitsmite ravenbird |
| 22:07.45 | Supaplex | ha |
| 22:07.46 | robin_sz | tarzeau: pardon? |
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| 22:07.51 | KragenSi1aker | is openssl not dfsg-free? |
| 22:07.52 | paulswm | !start a bot war |
| 22:07.52 | dpkg | Blootbot is the best bot! |
| 22:07.52 | tarzeau | robin_sz: bugs.debian.org/links2 |
| 22:08.02 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: yes, it can be |
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| 22:08.06 | jair | guys, anyone here has been configure apache to see php? |
| 22:08.12 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 22:08.12 | dpkg | thanks, paulswm |
| 22:08.12 | jair | pages as well as html? |
| 22:08.13 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker, robin_sz http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=258301 |
| 22:08.14 | jethro | either openssl's licence suck or dfsg suck |
| 22:08.26 | Blissex | robin_sz: OpenSSL is more of a hack than most, and has/has had licence problems, and shoulsd be replaced with GNU TLS, but too mad thats not happening. |
| 22:08.27 | tarzeau | jair: yes |
| 22:08.30 | deadcat | someone make ravenbird and dpkg attact each other (= |
| 22:08.33 | tarzeau | jethro: openssl suck |
| 22:08.36 | Azar | guys how to I get my "last" command back ? |
| 22:08.41 | jethro | tarzeau: I like it |
| 22:08.43 | smo_ | hi i m on a friend ' s pc by ssh now i want to setup a vnc server , easy but how can i get the same screen then my friend to let him see what i do??? |
| 22:08.44 | smo_ | plase |
| 22:08.52 | wide_awake | Azar, press the up arrow |
| 22:08.52 | deadcat | Azar: history? |
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| 22:08.57 | KragenSi1aker | tarzeau: thanks |
| 22:09.08 | jair | tarzeau, I am kind of stock |
| 22:09.17 | Azar | last: /var/log/wtmp: No such file or directory |
| 22:09.18 | jair | tarzeau, I install apache already and php4 |
| 22:09.33 | Azar | deadcat, it seems it was disabled somehow |
| 22:09.39 | robin_sz | Blissex: so, you are saying its not included in the debain distor becasue someone didn't like the wording of the licence? |
| 22:09.43 | tarzeau | jair: apache 2 or 1? |
| 22:09.47 | deadcat | Azar: someone rm it.. you've been rooted. |
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| 22:09.58 | jair | tarzeau, 2 |
| 22:10.02 | tarzeau | jair: hahaha |
| 22:10.09 | jair | tarzeau, the newer one |
| 22:10.11 | tarzeau | jair: any REAL reason you need 2? |
| 22:10.16 | jair | hmmm |
| 22:10.19 | tarzeau | jair: ah no reason, try with 1 |
| 22:10.19 | jair | nope |
| 22:10.20 | paulswm | Azar: man last, at the end. |
| 22:10.20 | deadcat | starwars3 is crap. i've seen better crap before. |
| 22:10.23 | Azar | deadcat, Id think so too |
| 22:10.26 | Supaplex | !start a bot war |
| 22:10.26 | dpkg | Eggdrops may do TCL but RockBot is smooth |
| 22:10.27 | deadcat | !tell jair about enter |
| 22:10.42 | jair | I did this : apt-get install apache |
| 22:10.42 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 22:10.42 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 22:10.43 | deadcat | Azar: the dialog really suck. (= "what have i done?" HAHAHAHHA |
| 22:10.49 | jair | so i think is 1 |
| 22:10.52 | KragenSi1aker | tarzeau: oh, so it's just the standard GPL-incompatibility problem |
| 22:10.56 | Supaplex | !what's this button do? |
| 22:10.59 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 22:11.06 | paulswm | Supaplex: *BANG* |
| 22:11.10 | paulswm | :D |
| 22:11.13 | jair | deadcat, sorry |
| 22:11.24 | deadcat | jair: its ok. |
| 22:11.33 | jair | tarzeau, can I msg you? |
| 22:11.37 | Azar | deadcat, /var lookis empty |
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| 22:11.41 | jair | so i can show you details |
| 22:11.54 | deadcat | Azar: either you accidently rm the stuff or someone cleaned it up for you. |
| 22:11.55 | robin_sz | tarzeau: im still confused .. I have openssl installed .. that bug seemed to be related to links ... |
| 22:12.11 | deadcat | Azar: i would say you did it. history |grep var |
| 22:12.11 | Supaplex | Azar: or it's not mounted |
| 22:12.24 | Azar | deadcat, I just reinstalled Woody and upgraded to Sarge I have not upgraded the 2.4.18 kernel yet, this is all I have done so far |
| 22:12.39 | deadcat | Azar: damn. |
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| 22:12.46 | tarzeau | jair: no. i hate php |
| 22:12.58 | jair | tarzeau, ok |
| 22:13.00 | deadcat | Azar: you like the woody install too eh? (= |
| 22:13.01 | tarzeau | robin_sz: it's related to the openssl library, that we can't link against |
| 22:13.11 | robin_sz | why not? |
| 22:13.13 | KragenSi1aker | azar: none of those installs and upgrades would remove wtmp |
| 22:13.14 | jair | tarzeau, what about helpt me with the httpd.conf? |
| 22:13.19 | Azar | deadcat is the only way I would install, that is all I know to do |
| 22:13.23 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: i don't get what's standard about it. it's a problem of the bsd license |
| 22:13.31 | KragenSi1aker | tarzeau: yeah, that's what i meant |
| 22:13.43 | Azar | is there any way I can get my wtmp back, or I should reinstall? |
| 22:13.45 | KragenSi1aker | Azar: but perhaps /var is not mounted or perhaps someone has cracked your machine and removed your wtm |
| 22:13.46 | tarzeau | jair: no sorry, what's the problem with it? |
| 22:13.50 | KragenSi1aker | you can touch /var/log/wtmp |
| 22:13.51 | deadcat | Azar: d-i is pretty easy i think. and you dont have to go from woody to testing |
| 22:14.08 | deadcat | Azar: you can touch the file |
| 22:14.13 | robin_sz | sigh .. im mean .. licences, yeah great, free, beer, speech. principles are handy and all that, but working software is even handier ... |
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| 22:14.39 | Azar | all I got left is an empty /var |
| 22:14.51 | Azar | I guess I will have to create /log and /wtmp |
| 22:14.51 | jair | tarzeau, guys I have apache already installed, also php4 and I am trying to test it pointing the browser to-----> 192.168.1.1/test, and it keeps asking me to download it as a file??? it should open the php or html page |
| 22:14.57 | KragenSi1aker | Azar: sounds like you had a separate /var partition that you don't have mounted |
| 22:14.58 | Blissex | robin_sz: some people think the opposite... |
| 22:15.05 | paulswm | Azar: if you looked at the man page at the bottom like I said, you would have seen "The files wtmp and btmp might not be found. The system only logs information in these files if they are present. This is a local configuration issue. If you want the files to be used, they can be created with a simple touch(1) command (for example, touch /var/log/wtmp)." |
| 22:15.06 | KragenSi1aker | Azar: is it listed in /etc/fstab? |
| 22:15.13 | Azar | KragenSi1aker it looks so |
| 22:15.22 | tarzeau | jair: apache1 now? |
| 22:15.23 | paulswm | Geez |
| 22:15.24 | KragenSi1aker | Azar: if you sudo mount /var, what does it say? |
| 22:15.29 | tarzeau | jair: go in the httpd.conf |
| 22:15.34 | OhSmiTt | jair: either your mime types are not set properly or you are sending funky headers |
| 22:15.35 | Supaplex | jair: http://www.surfthe.us/reference/ check the cgi section. it'll be slightly different if you're running php as an apache module. |
| 22:15.50 | Azar | ouch, it is in /dev/hda3 |
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| 22:15.54 | tarzeau | jair: search for php, do you see the commented lines? |
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| 22:16.00 | Azar | I guess I screwd the partitions |
| 22:16.02 | robin_sz | Blissex: well, sure, that will be RMS and who else exactly? |
| 22:16.06 | tarzeau | jair: something like addhandler |
| 22:16.09 | KragenSi1aker | Azar: how? |
| 22:16.26 | Blissex | robin_sz: almost the whole Debian project probably, and most the Fedora project too. |
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| 22:16.39 | KragenSi1aker | robin_sz: me too |
| 22:16.56 | Blissex | robin_sz: the point being that if one prefers ''working'' to ''freedom'' one can always buy proprietary sw. |
| 22:17.01 | robin_sz | Blissex: well, personally, I just want it to work with minimal fuss |
| 22:17.05 | Azar | KragenSi1aker I just reinstalled debian then upgraded to Sarge, it seems when I did the partitions somehow /var was set in /dev/hda3 which I basically dont use |
| 22:17.07 | tarzeau | Azar: gpart can guess partition tables |
| 22:17.13 | paulswm | Azar: Sorry, I didn't see your epmy /var message till after I posted. Well at least you know what the problem is :) |
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| 22:17.15 | KragenSi1aker | robin_sz: work to repeal software copyright then |
| 22:17.19 | paulswm | empty |
| 22:17.27 | Azar | yeah |
| 22:17.29 | tarzeau | !empty |
| 22:17.36 | Azar | I have to reinstall and do correct partitions |
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| 22:17.43 | robin_sz | KragenSi1aker: you want to dismantle the GPL? why? |
| 22:17.47 | paulswm | !comfort Azar |
| 22:17.48 | dpkg | There, there, Azar. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:17.53 | Azar | :) |
| 22:17.57 | tronip | :) |
| 22:17.57 | sneex | !burp |
| 22:18.04 | paulswm | !fart |
| 22:18.07 | KragenSi1aker | robin_sz: no, i want to dismantle software copyright |
| 22:18.09 | Supaplex | KragenSi1aker: you're thinking patents, not copyrights, right? |
| 22:18.11 | Azar | patience and optimism this is what I have left |
| 22:18.13 | KragenSi1aker | Azar: can't you just mount /dev/hda3? |
| 22:18.21 | sneex | @fruitsmite dpkg |
| 22:18.23 | KragenSi1aker | Supaplex: patents are an even bigger problem |
| 22:18.34 | Azar | KragenSi1aker I never played the "mount" game |
| 22:18.38 | paulswm | Noooooo*BOOM* |
| 22:18.43 | KragenSi1aker | so if you say sudo mount /var, what happens? |
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| 22:18.52 | Azar | so if I mount it I can copy it to my /dev/hda2? |
| 22:18.52 | robin_sz | KragenSi1aker: like I said, why do you want to dismantle the GPL? the GPL exist purely on the basis of software copyrights. thats the first step of the GPL, establishing a copyright |
| 22:18.59 | sneex | su - -c "mount /var" ??? |
| 22:19.15 | robin_sz | KragenSi1aker: have you never read the GPL?? |
| 22:19.20 | KragenSi1aker | robin_sz: if you want things to work with minimum fuss, you should eliminate software copyright |
| 22:19.28 | KragenSi1aker | robin_sz: google can answer that question for you |
| 22:19.33 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: copyrights are good |
| 22:19.49 | tarzeau | it's all about license |
| 22:20.02 | Azar | I fail to see how the partitions work.... at mount /var it say that /dev/hda3 is already mounted on /var |
| 22:20.02 | KragenSi1aker | robin_sz: the gpl is intended to use copyright against itself to minimize the harmful effects of copyright |
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| 22:20.16 | KragenSi1aker | azar: so now in /var you still have no /var/log or /var/run? |
| 22:20.21 | initech | KragenSi1aker: which is absolutely neccessary |
| 22:20.35 | KragenSi1aker | initech: what is absolutely necessary, and necessary to what end? |
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| 22:20.41 | Azar | KragenSi1aker: if I do ls var there is nothing there |
| 22:20.48 | sneex | !mono |
| 22:20.48 | dpkg | it has been said that mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 22:20.54 | robin_sz | KragenSi1aker: without the copyrihgt laws, the GPL could never work, I could take the code, mod it, use it, sell it and never reveal it. it needs the copyrights to make it work. repeal the laws, gpl is dead. |
| 22:20.56 | KragenSi1aker | Azar: if you unmount it, is there stuff underneath? |
| 22:21.15 | sneex | ouchies |
| 22:21.15 | KragenSi1aker | robin_sz: the benefits of that situation would be much greater than the drawbacks |
| 22:21.21 | Azar | cannot umount: /var: the device is busy |
| 22:21.22 | initech | neccessary to prevent software from being controlled by a small group of cartels |
| 22:21.28 | KragenSi1aker | azar: cd out of there |
| 22:21.30 | wide_awake | is there no apache2 in woody-stable? |
| 22:21.30 | sneex | you in the var directory? |
| 22:21.41 | Azar | no |
| 22:21.43 | Supaplex | cd / |
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| 22:21.51 | tarzeau | wide_awake: no |
| 22:21.52 | robin_sz | KragenSi1aker: I'll stick with the GPL and copyrights if its OK with you. |
| 22:21.55 | Azar | I am the root prompt and did umount /var |
| 22:21.55 | tronip | or lsof|grep "/var" if possible |
| 22:21.59 | tronip | to see what might be using /var |
| 22:22.01 | wide_awake | tarzeau, :( |
| 22:22.02 | Supaplex | wide_awake: try a backport |
| 22:22.02 | KragenSi1aker | initech: the government-granted monopolies that created microsoft prevent software from being controlled by a small group of cartels? you're living in a fantasy world |
| 22:22.15 | tarzeau | wide_awake: you got a REAL reason for apache2 ? |
| 22:22.15 | wide_awake | Supaplex, ?? |
| 22:22.24 | tarzeau | wide_awake: or do you just get high on version numbers? |
| 22:22.32 | wide_awake | tarzeau, I'm used to it. |
| 22:22.57 | initech | KragenSi1aker: the state cannot be relied upon for anything. I don't follow. |
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| 22:23.05 | Azar | hmm this is so weird, I have never seen this aspect on all my installations |
| 22:23.06 | wide_awake | :P |
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| 22:23.22 | wide_awake | Azar: do "lsof | grep var" |
| 22:23.36 | KragenSi1aker | initech: copyright is a system of government-granted monopolies. in the absence of software copyright, we'd all be free to copy software however we wanted. |
| 22:23.39 | yoo | Hi everybody |
| 22:23.42 | wide_awake | Thanks Supaplex |
| 22:23.54 | Supaplex | wide_awake: np |
| 22:23.58 | Azar | wide_awake: I see rpc.statd , atd.pid (deleted) syslogd there |
| 22:24.07 | Guerin | KragenSi1aker: oh, for fuck's sakes. |
| 22:24.15 | yoo | i suddenly don't have sound with my via 8237 chip |
| 22:24.22 | Azar | nfo deleted, arn deleted, rr deleted, ews.crit deleted, ews.err deleted..etc |
| 22:24.27 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:24.27 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
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| 22:24.37 | KragenSi1aker | azar: sounds like you deleted /var? |
| 22:24.38 | Guerin | KragenSi1aker: it's YOU who's living in a fantasy world, mate. |
| 22:24.41 | yoo | FATAL: Error inserting snd_via82xx (/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via82xx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 22:24.41 | yoo | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_via82xx |
| 22:24.43 | KragenSi1aker | initech: in that situation there is little leverage for the existing cartels |
| 22:24.46 | initech | KragenSi1aker: well the difference between you and the GPL is just reality. copyright is going nowhere, and the GPL is the best protection there is at the moment. |
| 22:24.51 | yoo | What does it mean ? |
| 22:24.59 | KragenSi1aker | initech: protection for users, you mean? |
| 22:25.00 | Azar | KragenSi1aker I would never do that, I have not deleted any stuff |
| 22:25.10 | Azar | my take was rather being rooted |
| 22:25.13 | KragenSi1aker | Azar: i'm puzzled |
| 22:25.24 | Azar | it is ok I will reinstall and change the IP |
| 22:25.25 | tronip | yoo: does dmesg|tail mention anything about snd-via82xx? |
| 22:25.27 | yoo | this modules are compiled but suddenly i can't use it |
| 22:25.27 | Supaplex | yoo: so what's dmesg say about it? (no pasting!) |
| 22:25.45 | yoo | i have big error |
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| 22:25.53 | yoo | on #flood |
| 22:26.00 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:26.01 | dpkg | hmm... qotd19 is <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
| 22:26.52 | tronip | that error might mean you didn't enable another kernel option that it needs... not sure |
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| 22:27.00 | tronip | (re: snd-via82xxx) |
| 22:27.27 | yoo | tronip : i paste on #flood ? |
| 22:27.31 | Azar | yup I was rooted: I am not able to use aptitude as well: E: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (No such file or directory) |
| 22:27.45 | Guerin | Azar: /msg dpkg lost var |
| 22:28.00 | o_o-distempr | what package do I dpkg-reconfigure to handle my locale? |
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| 22:28.10 | Guerin | o_o-distempr: localse |
| 22:28.11 | KragenSi1aker | well, the absence of var would prvent ou from using aptitude |
| 22:28.13 | Guerin | s/se/es/ |
| 22:28.25 | o_o-distempr | Guerin: thanks... too easy :) |
| 22:28.29 | yoo | snd_ac97_codec: Unknown symbol snd_component_add |
| 22:28.33 | Guerin | innit |
| 22:28.34 | Azar | Guerin that link does not work |
| 22:28.34 | yoo | for exanple |
| 22:28.37 | yoo | or |
| 22:28.48 | yoo | snd_ac97_codec: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_rule_add |
| 22:29.02 | yoo | snd_via82xx: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_period_elapsed |
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| 22:29.11 | yoo | snd_timer: Unknown symbol snd_kmalloc_strdup |
| 22:29.29 | yoo | snd_timer: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_module_entry |
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| 22:32.00 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:32.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd103 is <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 22:32.10 | Guerin | !lost var |
| 22:32.10 | dpkg | somebody said lost var was so you nuked /var? never fear, 'tis but a flesh wound! See http://linux.sys-con.com/read/32607.htm?CFID=133431 |
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| 22:32.15 | Guerin | Azar: try that link |
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| 22:32.59 | Bear_DK | how do I set the time on Debian? |
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| 22:33.08 | tarzeau | Bear_DK: rdate/date ? |
| 22:33.11 | Triffid_Hunter | date -s i believe |
| 22:33.21 | tarzeau | and hwclock |
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| 22:33.38 | Bear_DK | tarzeau: what's that rdate? |
| 22:33.54 | drac | Bear_DK: 'ntpdate' would get correct time from Internet. Network Time Protocol. |
| 22:33.57 | tarzeau | rdate (8) - set the system's date from a remote host |
| 22:34.10 | Triffid_Hunter | or that.. ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org |
| 22:34.11 | Triffid_Hunter | ;) |
| 22:34.17 | n00berSc0uper | ntpdate host && hwclock -w |
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| 22:34.37 | koefz | <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> idont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 22:34.53 | koefz | wtf. |
| 22:34.58 | n00berSc0uper | ha ha |
| 22:34.58 | koefz | Sorry about that. |
| 22:34.58 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:35.01 | n00berSc0uper | nice |
| 22:35.40 | Guerin | n00berSc0uper: you're not stealing my intellectual property for an external qotd archive, ru? |
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| 22:36.04 | tarzeau | Guerin: YOUR IP? |
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| 22:36.18 | myren | we all know its mrwilson's |
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| 22:36.20 | Guerin | tarzeau: yeah, MINE. ALL MINE> |
| 22:36.21 | n00berSc0uper | Guerin: nah i only catalog very retarded questions and advice he he |
| 22:36.31 | n00berSc0uper | tht one is just funny |
| 22:36.44 | yoo | Somebody can help me |
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| 22:36.47 | yoo | ? |
| 22:36.50 | Supaplex | !help yoo |
| 22:37.00 | yoo | :) |
| 22:37.15 | tarzeau | Guerin: you don't even have a MINE.NU in your domain name |
| 22:37.20 | Supaplex | yoo: all of us are flunkies in mind reading school. |
| 22:37.30 | Guerin | tarzeau: damn you and your logic. |
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| 22:39.21 | yoo | snd_via82xx: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_format_physical_width |
| 22:39.21 | yoo | snd_via82xx: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_update_bits |
| 22:39.21 | yoo | snd_via82xx: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_mixer |
| 22:39.21 | yoo | snd_via82xx: Unknown symbol snd_card_pci_resume |
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| 22:39.39 | FrozenSpoon | I'm trying to find out what package contains the program vga_reset, how can I do this? |
| 22:39.48 | tarzeau | FrozenSpoon: packages.d.o |
| 22:39.54 | jethro | !tell FrozenSpoon -about search |
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| 22:40.16 | yoo | Sorry ! |
| 22:40.38 | xelon | I installed debian to my laptop. And read some documentations like acpi, laptop-mode, suspend2... In Documentation/laptop-mode.txt it says "It should be installed as /etc/default/laptop-mode on Debian", But in /etc/default/ there is no laptop-mode. Is there anything wrong? I have installed laptop-mode with "apt-get install laptop-mode-tools". How can i know it is running correctly??? |
| 22:40.55 | Supaplex | yoo check your kernel config and recompile. I'd google around to see what other modules you should enable. |
| 22:41.30 | silverton | mount: RPC: Program not registered |
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| 22:41.38 | silverton | I get that error when trying to mount an NFS directory |
| 22:41.45 | Guerin | silverton: fix your damn server |
| 22:41.54 | sshack | Hi, any news as to when sarge will be released? |
| 22:41.56 | Guerin | silverton: go through the troubleshooting howto on tldp.org |
| 22:41.58 | silverton | I don't know what's wrong, so I don't know what to fix... |
| 22:42.01 | Supaplex | sshack: topic |
| 22:42.02 | Guerin | !topicbadger sshack |
| 22:42.02 | tarzeau | sshack: tomorrow |
| 22:42.03 | silverton | ok |
| 22:42.03 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that sshack didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 22:42.10 | yoo | oki |
| 22:42.16 | Guerin | silverton: what's wrong is that you didn't read the howto |
| 22:42.24 | silverton | Guerin, werd... |
| 22:42.30 | Guerin | tarzeau: and tomorrow, and tomorrow |
| 22:42.40 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:42.40 | dpkg | <florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks? |
| 22:42.50 | Supaplex | hahaaa |
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| 22:44.16 | MobyTurbo | don't laugh, I get sped up sound in some programs because my on-board sound doesn't have proper mono sound. |
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| 22:44.38 | sshack | So the 6th. |
| 22:44.47 | tinou | hy everyone |
| 22:44.48 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: nvidia nforce crao? |
| 22:44.50 | tarzeau | crap |
| 22:44.53 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: intel |
| 22:45.00 | tinou | i just speak a little bit English |
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| 22:45.08 | tinou | and i need help |
| 22:45.10 | tarzeau | !tell tinou about ask |
| 22:45.18 | tarzeau | tinou: do we look like mind readers? |
| 22:45.24 | KragenSi1aker | in retrospect i probably could have installed debian from scratch in less than two hours |
| 22:45.27 | FrozenSpoon | neither apt-cache nor apt-file found vga_reset, what other ways can I use to search? |
| 22:45.40 | KragenSi1aker | which is how long it took me to upgrade from knoppix to debian |
| 22:45.44 | tarzeau | FrozenSpoon: packages.d.o |
| 22:45.54 | Guerin | KragenSi1aker: and still not end up with proper debian. |
| 22:45.56 | giupy | tinou, wich language do you speak? |
| 22:45.58 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: you can't upgrade to debian from knoppix |
| 22:46.10 | KragenSi1aker | tarzeau: i did, didn't i? |
| 22:46.14 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: again, you can't upgrade from knoppix to Debian |
| 22:46.16 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: no it's not possible |
| 22:46.16 | Guerin | KragenSi1aker: no, you didn't. |
| 22:46.26 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: knoppix is way too broken. it just won't work |
| 22:46.28 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: I told you that was what he was doing. ;-) |
| 22:46.34 | FrozenSpoon | packages.d.o doesn't have it either... |
| 22:46.35 | KragenSi1aker | it's not only possible --- it's finished! |
| 22:46.36 | tinou | i speak french usualy |
| 22:46.40 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: what was the woman who cut the penis off his man? |
| 22:46.41 | Azar | hmm somehow it would boot in /dev/hda3 and even if I was root it would show me as USER at "w" |
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| 22:46.50 | MobyTurbo | !bobbit |
| 22:46.58 | KragenSi1aker | two t's |
| 22:46.58 | Guerin | KragenSi1aker: did you purge all the customised packages and install their debian versions? If so, how did you cope with the massive dependency nightmare which resulted? |
| 22:46.59 | tarzeau | FrozenSpoon: then it doesn't exist, or you didn't search properly |
| 22:47.06 | MobyTurbo | !bobbitt |
| 22:47.06 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. |
| 22:47.07 | FrozenSpoon | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2004/02/msg00248.html says vga_reset should be in there now but it doesn't appear to be |
| 22:47.08 | giupy | is there debian-fr ? |
| 22:47.10 | tarzeau | !fr |
| 22:47.10 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 22:47.25 | KragenSi1aker | guerin: i purged a bunch of customized packages, and i'm not aware of any that remain |
| 22:47.30 | tinou | i know that it isn't debian-fr |
| 22:47.31 | giupy | tinou, try #debian-fr |
| 22:47.37 | Guerin | KragenSi1aker: such as ... ? |
| 22:47.38 | MobyTurbo | the same holds true, but even more so, for doing that with Knoppix - > Debian |
| 22:47.39 | KragenSi1aker | Guerin: i coped with the massive dependency nightmare with dpkg --purge |
| 22:47.49 | tinou | but no one could help me on fr |
| 22:47.51 | giupy | tinou, i'm on it |
| 22:47.56 | tinou | ok |
| 22:48.01 | KragenSi1aker | such as some xfonts thing, and openoffice |
| 22:48.04 | giupy | tinou, oh sorry ask here |
| 22:48.09 | tarzeau | tinou honey, care to tell where the shoe is pressing? |
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| 22:48.16 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: knoppix has base packages that are different. |
| 22:48.23 | tinou | ho |
| 22:48.36 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: is there a way to find out if those are still installed? |
| 22:48.37 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: and is missing very important software |
| 22:48.42 | tinou | i need to get access on a computer on my school network |
| 22:48.50 | tinou | and for that |
| 22:49.00 | tinou | all i know is the server's ip adress |
| 22:49.02 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: you can't uninstall them. Try this: |
| 22:49.05 | tarzeau | tinou: great! |
| 22:49.06 | MobyTurbo | !d-i KragenSi1aker |
| 22:49.06 | dpkg | KragenSi1aker, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:49.11 | tarzeau | tinou: honey, you know ssh ? |
| 22:49.17 | tinou | yeah |
| 22:49.26 | tinou | but i don't know how to get root pass |
| 22:49.28 | tarzeau | tinou: and your username, honey? |
| 22:49.35 | jethro | !pal tinou |
| 22:49.47 | tarzeau | tinou: honey, i don't think they give someone the root password who doesn't know how things work |
| 22:49.56 | silverton | I'm confused, "cat /proc/filesystems" doesn't show nfs, but it's compiled into my kernel... |
| 22:49.59 | tinou | yeah |
| 22:50.12 | *** part/#debian sneex (~iudicium@adsl-068-214-087-042.sip.jax.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:50.12 | tinou | but is there a way to get it by brute force attack |
| 22:50.20 | tinou | ? |
| 22:50.35 | Triffid_Hunter | tinou: even if we knew, we wouldn't tell you. this isn't a crackers channel |
| 22:50.38 | jethro | tinou: go to #script-kiddies on some obsucre IRC network and leave #debian now |
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| 22:51.13 | tinou | ok i'm sorry |
| 22:51.18 | jethro | !moron tinou |
| 22:51.19 | dpkg | tinou: You are moron #59 |
| 22:51.40 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: how will debian-installer tell me which non-debian packages are still installed? |
| 22:52.03 | tinou | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.04 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: it will start everything over from scratch - which is about the only way to convert Knoppix to Debian |
| 22:52.08 | tinou | but i understand |
| 22:52.13 | tarzeau | tinou: no honey |
| 22:52.18 | jethro | tinou: we don't care, /part now please |
| 22:52.59 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: so suppose i wanted to verify your assertion. how would i determine which packags on my system are not the versions that i could currently get from things listed in my sources.list? |
| 22:53.16 | tinou | ok |
| 22:53.20 | tinou | unsderstood |
| 22:53.27 | tinou | thank's and sorry |
| 22:53.28 | *** part/#debian tinou (~tinou@ALyon-252-1-72-144.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:54.09 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: you don't understand. Elementary things that can't be changed, /sbin/init for example, are heavily modified in Knoppix. Again, for the upteenth time, the only way to go from Knoppix to Debian is to reinstall. |
| 22:54.25 | Tabitha | tinou: Actually, if you give me the name and address of the school and your name and address, I'll be happy to call for you and let them know you're interested in getting root access to the machine. ;) |
| 22:54.27 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: who -r says what? |
| 22:54.29 | Tabitha | awww... he left. |
| 22:54.43 | tarzeau | Tabitha: a/s/l? |
| 22:54.58 | tarzeau | KragenSi1aker: knoppix has messed up the run levels completely |
| 22:55.14 | Tabitha | tarzeau: Let's just skip the formalities and jump right into me refusing to cyber with you. |
| 22:55.22 | dabaSlon | !moron jethro |
| 22:55.23 | dpkg | jethro: You are moron #17 |
| 22:55.26 | dabaSlon | does that work? |
| 22:55.28 | dabaSlon | ha, it does... |
| 22:55.30 | smo_ | hi |
| 22:55.30 | tarzeau | Tabitha: i'm not into it anyways |
| 22:55.31 | dabaSlon | stupid bot |
| 22:55.35 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: yup, you're right |
| 22:55.41 | dabaSlon | !stupid bot |
| 22:55.41 | dpkg | no, stupid dabaslon |
| 22:55.45 | dabaSlon | nice:) |
| 22:55.49 | jethro | !lart dabaSlon |
| 22:55.58 | Rawplayer | !lartc |
| 22:55.58 | john | haha @ stupid bot command. |
| 22:55.58 | dpkg | well, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 22:56.06 | KragenSi1aker | sysvinit is still Klaus Knopper's version |
| 22:56.34 | smo_ | i have a mystery i just opened ports 5900 and 5901 on a friend s pc i can verify it with nmap now when i try to connect i get error connection refused |
| 22:56.39 | KragenSi1aker | which is kind of strange, since presumably there's a sysvinit in sarge |
| 22:56.41 | smo_ | working by http on port 5801 |
| 22:56.47 | tarzeau | smo_: what's the ip? |
| 22:57.03 | smo_ | 212.224.46.107 |
| 22:57.07 | dabaSlon | !moron dabaSlon |
| 22:57.08 | dpkg | dabaSlon: You are moron #22 |
| 22:57.09 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: it's not strange, some packages in Debian and Knoppix are marked unreplacable because replacing them would break the system. |
| 22:57.22 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: so, again, get d-i. |
| 22:57.22 | jethro | dabaSlon: the number is just random |
| 22:57.35 | tarzeau | smo_: power outage or he just turned it off? or her mother turned it off? |
| 22:57.36 | dabaSlon | jethro: nice, you knew that is what I was checking out:) |
| 22:57.49 | dabaSlon | k, g2g for a sec |
| 22:57.49 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: so if i had installed bo or hamm, i'd still have bo or hamm sysvinit? |
| 22:57.56 | dabaSlon | dont miss me 2 much |
| 22:57.56 | jethro | dabaSlon: I did the same first time I saw that |
| 22:58.01 | dabaSlon | nice |
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| 22:58.02 | dabaSlon | :) |
| 22:58.14 | dabaSlon | I thought you were labeled as a moron long ago...:) |
| 22:58.16 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: instead of asking me stupid questions why don't you download Debian now? |
| 22:58.21 | smo_ | no i m tired lol |
| 22:58.24 | dabaSlon | so he gave you a smaller number thaqn the current one... |
| 22:58.27 | smo_ | 82.224.46.107 sorrry |
| 22:58.41 | dabaSlon | not you smo... |
| 22:58.46 | dabaSlon | talking to jethro, :) |
| 22:58.53 | tarzeau | smo_: i get this from 5901/tcp RFB 003.003 |
| 22:58.56 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: i might actually get some benefit out of asking you questions, while I'm pretty sure it won't be beneficial for me to download Debian. |
| 22:58.58 | dabaSlon | !kick dabaslon |
| 22:59.00 | smo_ | y |
| 22:59.04 | tarzeau | !y |
| 22:59.04 | dpkg | well, y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 22:59.05 | smo_ | try with :5801 |
| 22:59.07 | smo_ | on http |
| 22:59.23 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: if you don't think using Debian is beneficial, why are you in this channel? |
| 22:59.28 | tarzeau | smo_: yep that works |
| 22:59.32 | smo_ | ok |
| 22:59.35 | dabaSlon | dpkg, considered spanish? |
| 22:59.42 | smo_ | so try with vncviewer now |
| 22:59.45 | dabaSlon | oh, :"( |
| 22:59.49 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: I don't think installing debian from scratch would provide any additional benefit over what i have now |
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| 22:59.52 | smo_ | say cannot connect ...... |
| 22:59.54 | tarzeau | smo_: you give me the username/password? |
| 23:00.23 | jethro | !lart tarzeau |
| 23:00.34 | MobyTurbo | KragenSi1aker: well, then if you have problems, ask elsewhere. In the meantime I'm ignoring you. |
| 23:00.35 | smo_ | i don t htink u need it to see connexion lol it s not my pc... |
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| 23:00.46 | tarzeau | jethro: wtf was that for? |
| 23:00.55 | jethro | tarzeau: begging for credentials :p |
| 23:01.00 | tarzeau | jethro: BEGGING? |
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| 23:01.05 | tarzeau | jethro: he wanted help, after all |
| 23:01.08 | KragenSi1aker | MobyTurbo: I don't have problems. But I think you might. |
| 23:01.09 | jethro | tarzeau: come on that was just a joke |
| 23:01.20 | tarzeau | jethro: just wait for the next bub-n-bros |
| 23:01.23 | jethro | heh |
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| 23:01.31 | danko123456 | yeah, but, jethro, you need to learn when a person comes asking for help, they feel bad enough already... |
| 23:01.53 | jethro | danko123456: what are you talking about? I m joking with tarzeau, what's the problem there? |
| 23:02.22 | danko123456 | nothing, I just wanted to point that fact out. |
| 23:02.37 | tarzeau | danko123456: get http://bub-n-bros.sf.net and i'll show you how to steal all items of jethro |
| 23:02.40 | jethro | danko123456: then I m not sure I got which fact you wanted to point out |
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| 23:02.50 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: speaking of live CDs, is your GNUstep CD able to install to the hard drive now? |
| 23:02.56 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: yes it is |
| 23:03.04 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: cool. :-) |
| 23:03.04 | danko123456 | the one starting wityh yeah, jethro. |
| 23:03.13 | paulswm | tarzeau: Just picking on you for a test... |
| 23:03.21 | paulswm | !singlishsmite tarzeau |
| 23:03.22 | dpkg | tarzeau: You damn cock up, ah you! |
| 23:03.26 | paulswm | YAY |
| 23:03.34 | jethro | !singlishsmite danko123456 |
| 23:03.35 | dpkg | danko123456: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
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| 23:03.44 | paulswm | :D |
| 23:03.45 | jethro | hah |
| 23:03.50 | paulswm | !prize me |
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| 23:04.14 | danko123456 | oooh, what high level of skills, choose your style, guys... |
| 23:04.20 | danko123456 | :-/ |
| 23:04.50 | jethro | danko123456: what the hell is your problem? |
| 23:04.53 | Pendragon | Does anyone know of a cvs command that will show all files effected by changes, or the changes of a project for a particular date range? |
| 23:04.57 | danko123456 | no problems... |
| 23:05.13 | danko123456 | you just dont get my conversational style... |
| 23:05.13 | KragenSi1aker | pendragon: well, cvs diff will do that... |
| 23:05.29 | TwistedLappy | What do I need to turn on bash completion? |
| 23:05.30 | Pendragon | with what arguments, the cvs man page blows |
| 23:05.36 | KragenSi1aker | jethro, chill |
| 23:05.52 | TwistedLappy | For a certain program that is... like apt-get |
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| 23:05.54 | KragenSi1aker | Pendragon: well, you can use cvs diff -D 2004-08-11 -D 2005-02-03 |
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| 23:06.28 | danko123456 | Ill show you what bothering me tho, in a sec. |
| 23:06.43 | Pendragon | shoot, what if I already did a complete checkin, shoot |
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| 23:07.35 | Pendragon | o cool, it works anyways |
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| 23:07.51 | kugg | how cn i make my moue go slower than xset m 0 0 and option resloution "1" in xf86 config? |
| 23:08.06 | hacim | is "00" at the beginning of a cron line valid? |
| 23:08.12 | tarzeau | hacim: yes |
| 23:08.18 | hacim | tarzeau: its the same as 0? |
| 23:08.22 | tarzeau | hacim: yes |
| 23:08.26 | hacim | tarzeau: ok, good :) |
| 23:08.29 | tarzeau | hacim: yes |
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| 23:08.30 | Pendragon | sweet thanks, cvs diff -D 2005-05-29 -D 2005-05-31 > today.txt |
| 23:08.37 | hacim | tarzeau: its not documented in (5) crontab |
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| 23:08.41 | tarzeau | hacim: yes |
| 23:08.50 | danko123456 | ok, tell me if this is not weird, that is right on Broadway in Winnipeg where I live : http://207.161.57.251/bears/ |
| 23:08.52 | hacim | tarzeau: do you say yes every time? |
| 23:08.55 | tarzeau | hacim: yes |
| 23:09.02 | hacim | tarzeau: do you not say yes every time? |
| 23:09.08 | tarzeau | hacim: yes |
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| 23:09.15 | hacim | heh |
| 23:09.19 | tarzeau | !hehstats |
| 23:09.19 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 19875 |
| 23:09.24 | hacim | score! |
| 23:09.37 | tarzeau | i think hehstats are broken, it missed to count at least two heh's upwards |
| 23:09.42 | hacim | heh |
| 23:09.45 | hacim | !hehstats |
| 23:09.45 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 19875 |
| 23:09.45 | TwistedLappy | What is that source for the new XFCE4? |
| 23:09.48 | hacim | you are right |
| 23:09.53 | tarzeau | yes |
| 23:09.58 | tarzeau | !yesstats |
| 23:09.59 | hacim | tarzeau: yes |
| 23:10.05 | TwistedLappy | debiansystems or some shit like that.. |
| 23:10.08 | resiak | !lolstats |
| 23:10.11 | resiak | :-\ |
| 23:10.15 | directhex | TwistedLappy, xfce 4.2 is in experimental |
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| 23:10.34 | TwistedLappy | directhex: No.. I am asking for the apt source.. |
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| 23:10.58 | directhex | !tell TwistedLappy about experimental |
| 23:11.07 | TwistedLappy | no... |
| 23:11.09 | TwistedLappy | dude... |
| 23:11.26 | TwistedLappy | the SOURCE |
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| 23:11.42 | TwistedLappy | its like operatingsystems.com or some shit like that |
| 23:11.53 | myren | i'm removing a lot of packages, this is taking /forever/ |
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| 23:11.58 | directhex | you mean the unofficial packages from the xfld distribution? |
| 23:12.00 | danko123456 | there is a #xfce, I was there today |
| 23:12.02 | tarzeau | myren: did you turn on dma? |
| 23:12.03 | directhex | os-collation.de i think |
| 23:12.08 | danko123456 | that related? |
| 23:12.08 | tarzeau | danko123456: how was it? |
| 23:12.13 | paulswm | danko123456: I love those bears, that's great |
| 23:12.17 | danko123456 | not bad, they are slow a little... |
| 23:12.20 | resiak | os-cillation.de |
| 23:12.24 | resiak | !speelingsmite directhex |
| 23:12.24 | danko123456 | hey, right on broadway, man... |
| 23:12.25 | directhex | as opposed to the 4.2 packages in experimental waiting to go into sid, which are in experimental |
| 23:12.34 | tarzeau | danko123456: do you play nethack ? |
| 23:12.35 | directhex | whatever./ fucks sake had enough of irc today |
| 23:12.35 | TwistedLappy | directhex: maybe... what is that website? |
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| 23:12.56 | danko123456 | I get out of my house, and there is a huge number of bears on Broadway st. |
| 23:12.56 | myren | tarzeau: good call, dma was on but readahead was at... 4096!!!! |
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| 23:13.27 | danko123456 | tarzeau: no, what is it? I dont play games much.. |
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| 23:13.39 | tarzeau | danko123456: www.nethack.org and #nethack , fantastic! |
| 23:13.39 | paulswm | danko123456: Well I think that they are *really* cool |
| 23:13.54 | tarzeau | danko123456: a game that you should at least finish once in your life |
| 23:14.04 | TwistedLappy | http://www.os-cillation.com/ there we go |
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| 23:14.18 | danko123456 | paulswm: the bears? |
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| 23:14.37 | resiak | TwistedLappy: Why not use the ones from Experimental? |
| 23:14.45 | danko123456 | tarzeau: please stop pasting your meek attempts at hacking my computer...:-p |
| 23:14.53 | danko123456 | haha, jj, but serious:) |
| 23:15.02 | paulswm | danko123456: Yes, they are great, I am still grinning. |
| 23:15.04 | TwistedLappy | resiak: is is that much better? |
| 23:15.35 | danko123456 | paulswm: well, would you feel it is weird if you wake up, and go out of your building, and walk over to the main street, and see a whole bunch of bears like that...? |
| 23:15.49 | resiak | TwistedLappy: Well, yes, because they'll eventually be official Debian packages. |
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| 23:16.13 | TwistedLappy | resiak: No I mean are they better as far as freatures/performance.. |
| 23:16.18 | paulswm | danko123456: No, I'd be really pleased :) |
| 23:16.27 | resiak | TwistedLappy: HTFSIK? |
| 23:16.48 | resiak | TwistedLappy: But since they're built from the same source, they're probably feature-identical. And performance ... come on. |
| 23:16.51 | danko123456 | well, I am too, kinda, but, it is soo out of this world...serious,...I dont kno, I always have these weird experiences like that.... |
| 23:17.17 | danko123456 | tarzeau: why do you think I should play the games? |
| 23:17.32 | tarzeau | danko123456: it's just one. because this is TEH GAME! |
| 23:17.35 | danko123456 | tarzeau: a big gamer of cute games like that? |
| 23:17.38 | TwistedLappy | resiak: if theyre the same all the way through then why the fuck would I run experimental... for the extra problems? |
| 23:17.46 | danko123456 | well, you referred me to another one earlier... |
| 23:17.51 | tarzeau | danko123456: you don't know what nethack is, right? |
| 23:18.11 | danko123456 | nope, first voice |
| 23:18.13 | danko123456 | :) |
| 23:18.16 | resiak | TwistedLappy: Don't _run_ experimental. Pull the .debs from it. |
| 23:18.21 | danko123456 | that is so not a concept in eng lang. |
| 23:18.27 | tarzeau | danko123456: wait |
| 23:18.30 | danko123456 | first voice=first time I hear |
| 23:18.33 | tarzeau | can you telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 ? |
| 23:18.45 | danko123456 | tarzeau: me? |
| 23:18.52 | tarzeau | danko123456: no, your mom |
| 23:18.57 | danko123456 | Ill ask... |
| 23:19.02 | danko123456 | brb |
| 23:19.04 | robin_sz | danko123456: "so not a <foo>" is not english anyway |
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| 23:19.20 | danko123456 | his, I gues. |
| 23:19.26 | mathieu | err.. libscg version of sid comes from ubuntu? ""Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1'." |
| 23:19.39 | resiak | mathieu: It's been noted elsewhere, too. |
| 23:19.41 | danko123456 | tarzeau: my mom asks what telnet is... |
| 23:19.42 | danko123456 | :-p |
| 23:19.46 | danko123456 | ok, ok, Ill telnet. |
| 23:19.50 | robin_sz | todays fun is openvpn |
| 23:19.50 | danko123456 | port 27015? |
| 23:20.02 | astronut | mathieu: ehhh? |
| 23:20.06 | astronut | who is the owner of that? |
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| 23:20.28 | danko123456 | I have to man telnet first, tho |
| 23:20.42 | xtension | trying to install a precompiled kernel : /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device |
| 23:20.46 | mathieu | astronut: maintainer? |
| 23:20.53 | astronut | yes |
| 23:21.08 | Xinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.15 | Xinux | ok how come that will only return the title |
| 23:21.18 | Xinux | and not the ID? |
| 23:21.27 | tarzeau | danko123456: yes tcp/27015 |
| 23:21.43 | tarzeau | it's a realtime camera to me playin' nethack |
| 23:21.59 | Xinux | oops wrong channel |
| 23:22.02 | astronut | tarzeau: eh? sounds neet..what's host? |
| 23:22.05 | danko123456 | can you please tell me the exact command? |
| 23:22.06 | danko123456 | no |
| 23:22.07 | astronut | neat* |
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| 23:22.13 | danko123456 | why is it so fast? |
| 23:22.20 | mathieu | astronut: it shows when running cdrecord... can't find a file named like that though |
| 23:22.25 | astronut | danko123456: telnet <host> <port> |
| 23:22.30 | xtension | im in a chroot |
| 23:22.32 | tarzeau | astronut: telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 23:22.32 | astronut | mathieu: dpkg -l |
| 23:22.32 | danko123456 | i got it, thanks |
| 23:22.39 | astronut | tarzeau: k |
| 23:22.48 | danko123456 | what with the Power U? |
| 23:22.52 | astronut | half the time i use nc instead of telnet |
| 23:22.53 | mathieu | astronut: no file, no package |
| 23:23.01 | xtension | someone tell me its not possible to install a precomp kernel in a chroot |
| 23:23.08 | mathieu | astronut: maybe statically compiled into cdrecord |
| 23:23.18 | astronut | xtension: bootloader most likely |
| 23:23.26 | danko123456 | tarzeau: why is it so fast? |
| 23:23.34 | xtension | well i did a debootstrap |
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| 23:24.00 | astronut | tarzeau: lol...i can't follow quick enough..you play too fast (i've never played nethack) |
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| 23:24.20 | danko123456 | eat it |
| 23:24.22 | tarzeau | danko123456: smart fingers, ask my girlfriend |
| 23:24.31 | tarzeau | astronut: ok i'll play slower for ya |
| 23:24.35 | astronut | lol |
| 23:24.36 | astronut | it's ok |
| 23:24.38 | danko123456 | tarzeau: why is she here all the time then? |
| 23:24.41 | astronut | i'm working on some other stuff |
| 23:25.36 | danko123456 | I need to install some RAM... |
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| 23:25.39 | xtension | someone tell me precompiled kernels suck |
| 23:25.48 | resiak | xtension: They don't. |
| 23:25.57 | danko123456 | !tell xtension precompiled kernels suck |
| 23:26.14 | danko123456 | or dont... |
| 23:26.20 | xtension | eheh |
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| 23:27.11 | astronut | I have a question...couldn't a spammer troll the BTS and harvest lots of emails to use? |
| 23:27.22 | robin_sz | how I *lurv* apt-get upgrade |
| 23:27.40 | robin_sz | astronut: no |
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| 23:28.23 | paulswm | resiak: Is it just me, or does tarzeau play *fast*? |
| 23:28.28 | astronut | robin_sz: you love apt-get upgrade eh? how about dpendency hell (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=310490) |
| 23:28.37 | robin_sz | astronut: spammers are quite stupid, but not so stupid as to harvest emails from the worlds largets collection of sysadmins |
| 23:28.38 | mwilson | Anybody know what avisynth is? |
| 23:28.42 | resiak | paulswm: astronut commented on that. |
| 23:28.49 | mwilson | augh |
| 23:28.51 | mwilson | wrong |
| 23:28.59 | danko123456 | I did too, comment on that. |
| 23:28.59 | tarzeau | paulswm: hey i need to get the amulet of yendor |
| 23:29.13 | resiak | tarzeau: I always find that if I move as fast as you are that I get carried away and dismiss messages as I move. |
| 23:29.16 | astronut | robin_sz: heh...fair point |
| 23:29.16 | tarzeau | paulswm: i want to have it in 6 hours. not in 10 years |
| 23:29.18 | danko123456 | and he said he has smart fingers, ask his gf...so I asked him why is she here all the time then... |
| 23:29.19 | paulswm | mwilson: http://www.avisynth.org/ although I'm sure you looked at it already |
| 23:29.45 | Azar | is Python really necessary when installing base system? Woody |
| 23:29.45 | mwilson | paulswm: That was meant for a moron in another channel, and yes, I've googled it now. |
| 23:30.23 | Azar | ..at tasksel |
| 23:30.34 | paulswm | mwilson: Heh. Seemed odd to me that you, especially, wouldn't have researched yourself :) |
| 23:30.51 | TwistedLappy | Anyone know why there is a black X in the center of the screen? |
| 23:30.56 | xtension | does kword crash on a m$ doc when it has a password ? |
| 23:30.59 | robin_sz | astronut: an updgrade that removes a large part of KDE is not, IMHO, a bug ;) |
| 23:31.08 | astronut | robin_sz: phh |
| 23:31.11 | xtension | TwistedLappy its your mouse |
| 23:31.12 | nunez | Fluxbox vs Enlightenment on a 3.2Ghz box? |
| 23:31.23 | TwistedLappy | xtension: What do you mean? |
| 23:31.26 | xtension | lol |
| 23:31.28 | astronut | lol, it's the fact that i just tried to upgrade my system and it tried to kill 150 packages |
| 23:31.30 | robin_sz | astronut: if Id wanted a bloated box, Id have strapped a dead whale to it. |
| 23:31.32 | mwilson | paulswm: No, I was trying to make a point to the moron. |
| 23:31.44 | mwilson | paulswm: Being a moron, of course, he didn't get it. |
| 23:31.49 | astronut | robin_sz: i just took my sarge box, and tried installing as many of those packages in woody |
| 23:31.51 | TwistedLappy | xtension: Ohh... was that your joke... thanks that helped. |
| 23:32.17 | xtension | TwistedLappy i suppose you juststarted X ? |
| 23:32.20 | resiak | nunez: Try both? |
| 23:32.37 | astronut | hmm |
| 23:32.43 | astronut | what's escape sequence for tlenet? |
| 23:32.53 | TwistedLappy | xtension: What do you mean just started... its a fresh install on a new laptop |
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| 23:33.10 | astronut | tarzeau: what's escape sequence? |
| 23:33.11 | bbrazil | astronut: crtl-[ or something |
| 23:33.19 | astronut | and can you see it when i type in that window? |
| 23:33.21 | btsdev | how do i change my download site for apt-get stuff? |
| 23:33.28 | astronut | ] actually |
| 23:33.28 | xtension | TwistedLappy exatctly |
| 23:33.30 | robin_sz | astronut: weirdly, mine seems to have 431 packages to do in this upgrade ... |
| 23:33.31 | astronut | thanks bbrazil |
| 23:33.37 | mwilson | btsdev: You don't. |
| 23:33.39 | astronut | robin_sz: not to upgrade, to remove |
| 23:33.43 | TwistedLappy | xtension: So...? |
| 23:33.50 | xtension | TwistedLappy it is your m o u s e |
| 23:33.59 | btsdev | mwilson: not possible? the server is down and i have to update a package heh |
| 23:34.20 | xtension | TwistedLappy try moving it |
| 23:34.21 | tarzeau | astronut: ctrl-alt [ or so |
| 23:34.24 | TwistedLappy | xtension: how so I get rid of it... I have a normal mouse pinted... works fine... why is there another? |
| 23:34.29 | mwilson | btsdev: Oh, you mean you want to change the mirror you're using. |
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| 23:34.34 | liquidten | btsdev: edit your /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 23:34.40 | btsdev | liquidten: thanks |
| 23:34.41 | astronut | tarzeau: ctrl + ] worked for me |
| 23:34.42 | btsdev | mwilson: yea |
| 23:34.48 | mwilson | btsdev: Which do you run, testing or unstable? |
| 23:34.53 | astronut | tarzeau: could you see anything i typed? |
| 23:34.55 | TwistedLappy | xtension: doesnt move. with either mouse |
| 23:35.12 | xtension | TwistedLappy with "either" mouse he says |
| 23:35.30 | xtension | TwistedLappy its one of your mice |
| 23:35.33 | btsdev | mwilson: unstable |
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| 23:35.39 | xtension | TwistedLappy edit the config |
| 23:35.41 | mwilson | Figures. |
| 23:35.44 | TwistedLappy | xtension: maybe one doesnt work... |
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| 23:35.53 | robin_sz | oh well ... night night girls |
| 23:35.55 | tarzeau | astronut: of course not |
| 23:35.59 | tarzeau | enough nethack, good night |
| 23:36.07 | xtension | TwistedLappy instead of getting rid of it you can also try to make it work |
| 23:36.08 | mwilson | Another one that thinks he should be running unstable. |
| 23:36.09 | TwistedLappy | you mean the xserver config? |
| 23:36.18 | xtension | TwistedLappy yes |
| 23:36.22 | astronut | tarzeau: what are you doing to do that? |
| 23:36.23 | TwistedLappy | xtension: thanks man |
| 23:36.26 | astronut | nc or? |
| 23:36.32 | tarzeau | astronut: www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ see nethackd |
| 23:36.50 | btsdev | mwilson: what's bad about unstable? i didnt want to be running old software |
| 23:37.04 | xtension | btsdev it sounds buggy |
| 23:37.06 | Guerin | btsdev: it's unstable. Use sarge. |
| 23:37.12 | mwilson | btsdev: I didn't say there was anything right or wrong with unstable. |
| 23:37.16 | btsdev | isn't sarge unstable? |
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| 23:37.20 | btsdev | i'm using sarge. |
| 23:37.22 | mwilson | btsdev: Uh, no. |
| 23:37.26 | Guerin | unstable is for testers, bughunters and developers. |
| 23:37.27 | tarzeau | btsdev: no |
| 23:37.27 | astronut | tarzeau: why | not >? |
| 23:37.29 | liquidten | btsdev sarge is testing |
| 23:37.29 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 23:37.29 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 23:37.30 | mwilson | <sigh> So clueless. |
| 23:37.33 | Tabitha | sid = unstable, sarge = testing... |
| 23:37.38 | tarzeau | astronut: because i want to see something on my screen |
| 23:37.41 | btsdev | mwilson, don't be a dick dude |
| 23:37.41 | tarzeau | astronut: man tee |
| 23:37.59 | btsdev | mwilson: i've tried to be patient with your rudeness, but that comment really pissed me off |
| 23:37.59 | astronut | ah |
| 23:38.00 | mwilson | btsdev: Don't be clueless, then. |
| 23:38.00 | astronut | i see |
| 23:38.03 | paulswm | I need a "sid = unstable, sarge = testing" shortcut key |
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| 23:38.03 | Guerin | if you don't know what sarge and sid map to in the debian repositories, you most clearly shouldn't be running unstable. |
| 23:38.07 | btsdev | mwilson: what's your problem? |
| 23:38.12 | tarzeau | paulswm: hehe |
| 23:38.20 | btsdev | mwilson: nerd with attitude... later dude; have a good night |
| 23:38.22 | xtension | kword tells me Support for character 8 not implemented yet. |
| 23:38.27 | xtension | how do i fix that |
| 23:38.33 | paulswm | tarzeau: :D |
| 23:38.45 | Guerin | xtension: send the .doc back where it came from, requesting an open format. |
| 23:38.49 | tarzeau | paulswm: can we have "be lovely to eachother" on the /topic ? |
| 23:38.51 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: another satisfied customer |
| 23:38.54 | xtension | Guerin good plan |
| 23:39.01 | Guerin | xtension: works for me. |
| 23:39.03 | resiak | xtension: antiword? OOo? Abiword? |
| 23:39.12 | xtension | abiword ? |
| 23:39.14 | Guerin | resiak: the problem is that it has a password on it. |
| 23:39.15 | tarzeau | paulswm: requiring to have at least one of these on each line? love, darling or honey? |
| 23:39.18 | paulswm | tarzeau: Yeah RIGHT like *that*'s going to happen :) |
| 23:39.19 | resiak | Guerin: Ohhhhh. |
| 23:39.40 | tarzeau | paulswm: hey, we were excellent to eachother, when there was "be excellent to eachother" in the topic, weren't we? |
| 23:39.50 | paulswm | tarzeau: I just added 'singlishsmite' to dpkg, that's about as sweet as I get :) |
| 23:39.50 | xtension | resiak antiword loses all the nice m$ elements :( |
| 23:39.58 | resiak | xtension: OH WHAT A CRYING SHAME |
| 23:39.58 | tarzeau | paulswm: just make a bot to kick anyone with a line without the keyword ;) |
| 23:40.05 | Guerin | xtension: and all the evil ones |
| 23:40.10 | tarzeau | !singlishsmite paulswm |
| 23:40.11 | dpkg | paulswm: You damn cock up, ah you! |
| 23:40.12 | xtension | resiak lol |
| 23:40.18 | paulswm | !singlishsmite tarzeau |
| 23:40.19 | dpkg | tarzeau: You damn cock up, ah you! |
| 23:40.21 | Guerin | xtension: but antiword does read it, even with the password? |
| 23:40.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:40.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd41 is <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
| 23:40.40 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: <shrug> The clueless have no business using unstable. |
| 23:40.41 | paulswm | SHit, it seems weighted towards the first choice, but that's rand I guess |
| 23:40.50 | resiak | paulswm: Yeah, well. |
| 23:40.51 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: agreed. |
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| 23:41.12 | paulswm | !singlishsmite resiak |
| 23:41.13 | dpkg | resiak: You damn cock up, ah you! |
| 23:41.16 | akshun | how do i make apt ignore certain packages |
| 23:41.17 | paulswm | :( |
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| 23:41.24 | tarzeau | akshun: like what, darling? |
| 23:41.25 | xtension | Guerin yes antiword is just fine |
| 23:41.27 | Guerin | akshun: you don't. |
| 23:41.30 | paulswm | I'm off, see ya |
| 23:41.34 | Guerin | !win antiword |
| 23:41.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, antiword! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 23:41.49 | Guerin | xtension: what do you actually need to do with this mockument? |
| 23:42.04 | mwilson | antiword on Linux is so fscked up. |
| 23:42.05 | akshun | i want apt to ignore all php updates |
| 23:42.11 | xtension | Guerin i need to update this very lame .doc i have |
| 23:42.17 | Guerin | akshun: /msg dpkg hold |
| 23:42.26 | tarzeau | xtension: i'd make that an .rtf |
| 23:42.30 | xtension | Guerin of convert it to something usefull like pdf |
| 23:42.40 | tarzeau | xtension: yuck |
| 23:42.47 | Guerin | xtension: antiword it out into a file, open said file in oo.o, edit to your liking, convert. |
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| 23:43.08 | Guerin | i'd do it in docbook xml or tex and convert it to anything. |
| 23:43.28 | Guerin | and it wouldn't necessarily take much longer than mashing it up in .doc, either |
| 23:43.35 | xtension | are there converters from doc to rtf ? |
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| 23:43.43 | Guerin | xtension: openoffice.org |
| 23:43.44 | tarzeau | xtension: antiword |
| 23:43.48 | |RoNiN|away | i want to change the bash colors with PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h \[\033[01;34m\]\w \$ \[\033[00m\]' it works whn i execute from command line but not from a script ??? |
| 23:43.55 | tarzeau | xtension: open it with textedit.app and save it |
| 23:44.13 | Guerin | |RoNiN|away: bash prompt howto on tldp.org |
| 23:44.16 | tarzeau | |RoNiN|away: can we see your script, honey? |
| 23:44.25 | tarzeau | Guerin: don't be so rude! |
| 23:44.25 | Guerin | |RoNiN|away: and fix your damn nick |
| 23:44.35 | Guerin | tarzeau: fuck off, geek. |
| 23:44.56 | tarzeau | Guerin: www.linuks.mine.nu/pod.jpg |
| 23:45.12 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 23:45.12 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 23:45.18 | |RoNiN|away | Guerin: wath's wrong with my nick? |
| 23:45.20 | Guerin | grrr, now I have to open a brwowsah |
| 23:45.27 | resiak | !irritating nicks |
| 23:45.33 | resiak | !nickometer |RoNiN|away |
| 23:45.33 | dpkg | '|RoNiN|away' is 99.840% lame, resiak |
| 23:45.33 | tarzeau | Guerin: feh can open graphic weblinks |
| 23:45.39 | Guerin | tarzeau: hahaha |
| 23:45.45 | |RoNiN|away | lol |
| 23:45.48 | resiak | !lol |
| 23:45.48 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 23:45.51 | Guerin | tarzeau: I'm on a d0zer |
| 23:46.01 | Guerin | |RoNiN|away: it has a | in front of it |
| 23:46.08 | Guerin | !leading punctuation |
| 23:46.08 | dpkg | if your nick begins with leading punctuation, nobody is going to want to help you, because typing your nick is a HUGE FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS, even with tab completion |
| 23:46.52 | MobyTurbo | I wonder what would happen if a nick began with an ! |
| 23:46.54 | |RoNiN|away | had the nic for over 10 years (without the |) so change is hard :P and ronin already is owned by some1 |
| 23:46.59 | |RoNiN|away | so sry |
| 23:47.02 | resiak | 00:46 [freenode] -!- !omg Erroneous Nickname |
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| 23:47.16 | exerd | how do i make my debian have a static ip_ |
| 23:47.18 | resiak | |RoNiN|away: If you had it without the | before... |
| 23:47.22 | resiak | exerd: man interfaces |
| 23:47.32 | MobyTurbo | or ~. Something to confuse bots |
| 23:47.44 | Guerin | |RoNiN|away: /nick ronin++ |
| 23:47.44 | resiak | MobyTurbo: You'd be larted in seconds. :-) |
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| 23:48.19 | wtf | Erm. |
| 23:48.22 | ronin82 | better ? |
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| 23:48.30 | tarzeau | Guerin: karma has been turned off |
| 23:48.34 | abrotman | karsten: no workie ? |
| 23:48.50 | karsten | abrotman: Nope. |
| 23:48.58 | ronin82 | !nickometer ronin82 |
| 23:49.01 | tarzeau | exerd: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ see man 5 interfaces |
| 23:49.01 | karsten | abrotman: As I said, Xen's not a true HW emulo. |
| 23:49.03 | abrotman | karsten: bochs also no good ? |
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| 23:49.18 | tarzeau | qemu? |
| 23:49.26 | karsten | abrotman: qemu ~= bochs, AFAICT. Bochs itself is slower'n shit. |
| 23:49.40 | abrotman | karsten: exlax |
| 23:49.52 | karsten | abrotman: Point. |
| 23:49.56 | Guerin | tarzeau: i'm not talking about karma |
| 23:50.04 | Guerin | i'm suggesting he change his name to that |
| 23:50.08 | karsten | abrotman: Not packaged for Debian. |
| 23:50.12 | tarzeau | Guerin: oh it was a /nick sowwy |
| 23:50.16 | abrotman | karsten: not called bochs anymore |
| 23:50.17 | Azar | wow I only now noticed: Woody installation brings 124 packages while Sarge upgrade brings 315 |
| 23:50.25 | karsten | abrotman: No. exlax ;-) |
| 23:50.30 | abrotman | !tell karsten about bochs |
| 23:50.34 | Azar | that is a fat system |
| 23:50.36 | abrotman | !info plex86 sid |
| 23:50.39 | Guerin | ronin82: your compliance is appreciated. |
| 23:50.40 | Azar | hi karsten :) |
| 23:50.41 | karsten | abrotman: bochs == bochs. There's also plex86. |
| 23:50.41 | dpkg | plex86: (PC virtualization program to run x86 OSes [dummy package]), section misc, is extra. Version: 0.0.20030525.goodbye (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 23:50.47 | karsten | Azar: Oi. |
| 23:50.57 | abrotman | .goodbye? |
| 23:52.23 | Azar | I am wondering what in the world I did with the last installation so after the Sarge upgrade to find myself in /dev/hda3 I have no clue how this happened |
| 23:52.35 | Azar | then trying to reboot I got stucked in syslogd |
| 23:52.46 | Supaplex | it's stucked'ed'ed'ed! |
| 23:52.53 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 23:52.57 | Azar | indeed Supaplex |
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| 23:54.30 | karsten | Azar: ...and you are ?? |
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| 23:55.59 | Supaplex | karsten: is this a pop quiz? |
| 23:56.21 | karsten | Supaplex: No. You failed. |
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| 23:56.41 | Supaplex | yay! |
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| 23:57.09 | Azar | karsten, I am a Debian fan stucked ... :) |
| 23:57.28 | pekkele | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.30 | karsten | Azar: OK... |
| 23:57.39 | xtension | pekkele none |
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| 23:57.49 | xtension | pekkele mplayer is commandline |
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| 23:58.07 | exerd | pekkele, you mean gmplayer |
| 23:58.14 | xtension | or kplayer ? |
| 23:58.32 | pekkele | exerd yeah |
| 23:58.49 | Azar | I wonder if the Sarge upgrade threw me in /dev/hda3 .. |
| 23:59.00 | Azar | up to the upgrade everything was ok |
| 23:59.03 | Supaplex | now with skinable command line interface! |
| 23:59.21 | xtension | Azar chances are u did it somewhere somehow |
| 23:59.43 | Azar | I will see.. reinstalled and upgrading again |
| 23:59.51 | xtension | Azar good for you |
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