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`00:00.15`	`zOap`	`jasoncohen, check out the evolution in apt. there lies your answer`
`00:00.18`	`mhall_`	`MasterChief: the only accounts that can be root are those of user id 0`
`00:00.19`	`MasterChief`	`mhall_: Than how can I do it.`
`00:00.19`	`ribnitz`	`MasterChief: there isn't.`
`00:00.37`	`mhall_`	`MasterChief: you can make accounts with other names have this id in the shadow and password files`
`00:00.44`	`mhall_`	`MasterChief: but it's probably a bad idea`
`00:01.00`	`mhall_`	`MasterChief: usually you just add users to different privilege groups like cdrom or audio, etc.`
`00:01.05`	`benjamindees`	`definitely a bad idea`
`00:01.07`	`ribnitz`	`mhall_: safest (and most common) is ot use osmething like sudo`
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`00:01.18`	`hackers2`	`ribnitz, should i be telling k3b to use burning group cdrom? or perhaps another group or does it need a group`
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`00:01.25`	`spoopin`	`MasterChief: look into sudo`
`00:01.42`	`MasterChief`	`mhall_: All I want to be able to do is delete a directory but it wount let me with my user account then I type in rm /locationofdirectoy/ and it says it cant when I am in root`
`00:01.51`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: I havent used k3b, no idea.`
`00:01.57`	`mhall_`	`benjamindees: not always bad`
`00:02.07`	`hackers2`	`well it shows it sees growisofs`
`00:02.10`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2:btw, what kernel do you have?`
`00:02.13`	`hackers2`	`so thats in the comp somewhere or other`
`00:02.13`	`mhall_`	`MasterChief: uh, hmm, i'd be thinking typo, fs glitch, or something else`
`00:02.15`	`hackers2`	`er`
`00:02.21`	`mhall_`	`MasterChief: not, the root account is broken`
`00:02.28`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: uname -a`
`00:02.49`	`hackers2`	`Linux compname 2.6.10-1-k7 #1 Fri Mar 11 03:13:32 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`00:02.53`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: 2.6.10 has known issues with non-root burning.`
`00:03.04`	`MasterChief`	`All I want to do is delete a directory, how do I do that, Im new to debian`
`00:03.07`	`appaji`	`MasterChief: what does lsattr on that directory say?`
`00:03.12`	`hackers2`	`yeah but its been working till yesterday`
`00:03.25`	`hackers2`	`yeah but its been working till yesterday so that SSUCKS`
`00:03.29`	`hackers2`	`crap sorry there`
`00:03.31`	`ribnitz`	`MasterChief: rm -r dirname, if you are the owner.`
`00:03.39`	`MasterChief`	`thank you`
`00:03.59`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: burning as root fixes the issue, so does 2.6.11`
`00:04.01`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: it's cooking`
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`00:04.02`	`abrotman`	`:)`
`00:04.07`	`hackers2`	`interesting,`
`00:04.08`	`mhall_`	`MasterChief: which goes through the dir and deletes the contents for you`
`00:04.17`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: still? can't you join until it's ready?`
`00:04.26`	`mhall`	`MasterChief: there are a couple of ways`
`00:04.26`	`mhall`	`MasterChief: first is to remove everything inside, then rmdir it`
`00:04.26`	`mhall`	`MasterChief: the second much more dangerous way is with rm -r`
`00:04.26`	`mhall`	`MasterChief: which goes through the dir and deletes the contents for you`
`00:04.27`	`hackers2`	`i did sudo k3b and now it says it cant find growisofs executable`
`00:04.33`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: i'll forget to eat!`
`00:05.25`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: root has a more restricted path. do a which growisofs as user and put in the full path as root`
`00:05.38`	`hackers2`	`huh?`
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`00:05.56`	`hackers2`	`ok i found the path i guess`
`00:06.00`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: 'which growisofs'`
`00:06.01`	`tooes`	`i can't manage to install my nvidia geforce 6800 :(`
`00:06.15`	`FieldySnuts`	`shove it in da slot`
`00:06.24`	`FieldySnuts`	`ravenbird: aussiesmite Phated`
`00:06.25`	`hackers2`	`how do i put in the full path as root... oh where to look ok ok ok got it i think`
`00:06.25`	`ravenbird`	`FieldySnuts: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?`
`00:06.38`	`MasterChief`	`Ok, now how do I copy, I type in cp -f /tobecopied/ /weretocopyto/ and it wont work (says ommitting)`
`00:07.20`	`ribnitz`	`MasterChief: -r, -a (man cp)`
`00:07.37`	`MasterChief`	`thanks`
`00:07.49`	`K_Dallas`	`MasterChief, search google for an intro to BASH, that would help you a lot`
`00:08.40`	`ribnitz`	`how much swap used is still sane? I mean like 256 mb ram and 500mb swap used?`
`00:08.42`	`MasterChief`	`I will thanks`
`00:09.02`	`hackers2`	`nope`
`00:09.03`	`hackers2`	`no go`
`00:09.06`	`hackers2`	`not at all`
`00:09.39`	`ralf`	`K_Dallas: google for ABS`
`00:09.39`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: cdrecord-prodvd works fine here.`
`00:10.05`	`zOap`	`ribnitz, it may be he have other sources...`
`00:10.25`	`zOap`	`ribnitz, are you in stable or?`
`00:10.34`	`ribnitz`	`zOap: sarge`
`00:10.42`	`Supaplex`	`!gritsmite AK-87`
`00:10.46`	`hackers2`	`if the path to folder i wanna burn is ~/kewl/dls/ftp/burn$ then how do i tell it to burn it ribnitz ?`
`00:10.57`	`AK-87`	`^_^`
`00:10.59`	`AK-87`	`lovely`
`00:11.06`	`ribnitz`	`zOap: when using rsync, swap goes up to like 500MB`
`00:11.16`	`zOap`	`ribnitz, ok, but if he is in unstable, he may have other...`
`00:11.16`	`FieldySnuts`	`how many files?`
`00:11.19`	`zOap`	`wow`
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`00:11.50`	`ribnitz`	`zOap: rsync over like 25G..`
`00:12.05`	`FieldySnuts`	`the memory rsync ends up using is due to the number of files, not their size`
`00:12.10`	`vsquared`	`hackers2: 'mkisofs -JR <path> \| cdrecord <normal cdrecord opts> -`
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`00:12.24`	`zOap`	`ribnitz, well, that's certainly a considerable amount of swap for rsync...`
`00:12.25`	`vsquared`	`hackers2: forgot the other ', but you get the idea`
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`00:12.32`	`FieldySnuts`	`it has to look at your source, tally up every single files location, permissions, size, date, etc, then do the exact same thing for the remote or destination`
`00:12.39`	`vsquared`	`hackers2: the - tells to read from stdin`
`00:12.40`	`ribnitz`	`FieldySnuts: like 3.5million..`
`00:12.43`	`hackers2`	`ok`
`00:12.48`	`hackers2`	`1. i dont know what stdin is`
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`00:12.51`	`zOap`	`ribnitz, I dunno what's wrong though..`
`00:13.03`	`hackers2`	`2. i dont know normal options`
`00:13.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`ribnitz: yeah, i've had rsync die when trying to deal with that many, i ran out of ram and swap`
`00:13.05`	`umass66`	`hi to all`
`00:13.09`	`hackers2`	`this sux`
`00:13.18`	`vsquared`	`hackers2: ok ok, sorry, I got a little carried away there`
`00:13.19`	`hackers2`	`can windows read a ext3 hdd?`
`00:13.30`	`hackers2`	`dont be worry i just suck vsquared`
`00:13.36`	`ribnitz`	`zOap: my guess is if I add another 500mb physical, it wil luse less swap, hence have less iowait, hence be faster?`
`00:13.38`	`hackers2`	`*sorry even`
`00:13.47`	`hackers2`	`ok`
`00:13.48`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, well, cdrecord normally burns iso images`
`00:13.51`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: nope`
`00:13.54`	`hackers2`	`ok`
`00:13.56`	`hackers2`	`then its a loss`
`00:13.56`	`zOap`	`ribnitz, you might be right about that..`
`00:14.00`	`hackers2`	`all i can do is install windows`
`00:14.13`	`hackers2`	`and think about doing linux again when sarge comes out monday or something`
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`00:14.17`	`hackers2`	`god dam it`
`00:14.19`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, if you had the correct options in /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord.conf, you could just type 'cdrecord stuff.iso'`
`00:14.21`	`zOap`	`hackers2, brrr, don't say that name...`
`00:14.29`	`FieldySnuts`	`ribnitz: i suppose you could make a temporary swap 'file' to get the job done, as root dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap-file bs=1M count=2048 (wait a long time) then mkswap /swap-file , swapon /swap-file , assuming you have 2GB disk free on /`
`00:14.40`	`MasterChief`	`How do I rename a directory`
`00:14.41`	`hackers2`	`i know zOap im trying not to i just got to get this stuff done bad`
`00:14.41`	`FieldySnuts`	`ribnitz: it isn't optimal but it'll get the job done`
`00:14.55`	`hackers2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:14.56`	`Shadow9`	`hello, how can I configure qtorrent 2.9.1?, I don't see the options like in 0.9.6.1`
`00:15.04`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, the options you need are to tell what drive to burn to`
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`00:15.19`	`ribnitz`	`FieldySnuts: ny idea is to reduce iowait, which i will do if i dont read from disk.`
`00:15.20`	`FieldySnuts`	`ribnitz: i'm pretty sure mkswap or swapon will complain about it being a file (instead of a device) at some point, but will tell you what option to have it do it anyway`
`00:15.40`	`zOap`	`hackers2, yeah, I can see that.. It's hard to help people without beeing connected physically you know.. sometimes it's not enough with bright heads like in here:)`
`00:15.50`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, its gonna be like... cdrecord dev=ATA:0,0,1 something.os`
`00:15.51`	`FieldySnuts`	`something else maybe you can do is rsyncing in steps, say /home then /usr then /opt or whatever`
`00:15.57`	`hackers2`	`hmm`
`00:16.02`	`hackers2`	`i dont see a conf in there`
`00:16.09`	`hackers2`	`one sec let me join flood`
`00:16.17`	`benjamindees`	`hackers2, what .iso file have you downloaded?`
`00:16.18`	`myren`	`how do i run man on a file? its a man file`
`00:16.22`	`ribnitz`	`FieldySnuts: that 30 gig (/backup) is one step`
`00:16.28`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, its just 'cdrecord', not cdrecord.conf`
`00:16.32`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, my bad`
`00:16.40`	`hackers2`	`benjamindees, im trying to record data`
`00:16.45`	`zOap`	`myren, man filename`
`00:16.47`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, type 'cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus' as root`
`00:16.49`	`K_Dallas`	`MasterChief, http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html#sect_03_03`
`00:16.57`	`FieldySnuts`	`ribnitz: well you gotta come up with a way to give rsync more memory some way, my suggestion is all i can think of. it's just a memory issue, that's a lot of files, and it has to have two lists (source / dest)`
`00:17.08`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, you need the device number of your burn drive`
`00:17.09`	`Cheethoe`	`has anyone successfully gotten an EV-DO card to run at EV-DO speeds in linux?`
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`00:17.18`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, or, you could just use k3b and be done with it...`
`00:17.39`	`Cheethoe`	`I think I"m stuck at 1xRTT speeds`
`00:17.39`	`zOap`	`Well, Law and order is on the telly. Gotta scootch, see ya later`
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`00:17.44`	`hackers2`	`vsquared,`
`00:17.51`	`ribnitz`	`FieldySnuts: Can I swap on lvm?`
`00:17.52`	`hackers2`	`i wanted to use k3b but its broken`
`00:18.00`	`FieldySnuts`	`ribnitz: no idea`
`00:18.00`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, oh`
`00:18.02`	`kullanici`	`iconv: illegal input sequence at position 1048`
`00:18.03`	`hackers2`	`it burns fine`
`00:18.05`	`kullanici`	`what can i do ?`
`00:18.13`	`FieldySnuts`	`kb3 isn't broken, it just isn't finding growisofs in the path`
`00:18.16`	`hackers2`	`then gives me a in out error or something when it goes to dump cache`
`00:18.20`	`hackers2`	`and its fuxxored`
`00:18.22`	`hackers2`	`bad`
`00:18.26`	`hackers2`	`seriously`
`00:18.26`	`FieldySnuts`	`!user error`
`00:18.27`	`DaCa`	`ribnitz: sure`
`00:18.28`	`shingouz`	`ribnitz: afaik yes but i think i have heard someone mention that it eats up cpu. could be wrong though`
`00:18.30`	`benjamindees`	`hackers2, what version of linux do you have installed now?`
`00:18.34`	`hackers2`	`oi`
`00:18.36`	`TwistedEmotions`	`When I try to use xmms I get the error WARNING : oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Permission denied and any program that tries to access my sound card gets the same error... anyone have any ideas what I need to reinstall? I already added my username to the groud "audio"`
`00:18.42`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, type 'uname -a'`
`00:18.52`	`hackers2`	`Linux compname 2.6.10-1-k7 #1 Fri Mar 11 03:13:32 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`00:18.56`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: get a 2.6.11 kernel, and try again.`
`00:19.05`	`zOap`	`TwistedEmotions, youre not a member of Audio or Sound`
`00:19.05`	`hackers2`	`ok`
`00:19.09`	`hackers2`	`how do i do that rib?`
`00:19.12`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: (in sid)`
`00:19.12`	`stupidkid`	`TwistedEmotions: chmod a+rwx /dev/dsp`
`00:19.21`	`Cheethoe`	`TwistedEmotions : log out and log back in?`
`00:19.23`	`benjamindees`	`!tell hackers2 about quick sid/sarge mix`
`00:19.23`	`hackers2`	`yeah this was sid when i got it`
`00:19.28`	`TwistedEmotions`	chmod: changing permissions of `/dev/dsp': Operation not permitted
`00:19.30`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, or the debian packaged 2.6.8 kernel...`
`00:19.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`already added to audio...`
`00:19.41`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, which should be easier`
`00:19.45`	`Cheethoe`	`so the group membership will take effect`
`00:19.48`	`stupidkid`	`TwistedEmotions: root you silly :P`
`00:19.51`	`TwistedEmotions`	`already loged-in out`
`00:20.00`	`ribnitz`	`ok. I need sheep.`
`00:20.01`	`hackers2`	`welllllllllllllllllllllll i am in sid anyway... it was all conf for sid........`
`00:20.16`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: then get 2.6.11`
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`00:20.21`	`TwistedEmotions`	`linux@Twisted:~$ sudo chmod a+rwx /dev/dsp`
`00:20.21`	`TwistedEmotions`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:20.23`	`hackers2`	`how do i try the .11 kernal? i think that the other one is in anyway i just got to do total shutdown to get at it`
`00:20.34`	`hackers2`	`ribnitz, can i apt-get it?`
`00:20.54`	`stupidkid`	`TwistedEmotions: you need to login as root`
`00:20.58`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11-my-favorite-pick-here`
`00:20.59`	`stupidkid`	`and do that command`
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`00:21.13`	`Cheethoe`	`well if he sudo'ed it that should be fine`
`00:21.19`	`stupidkid`	`oh`
`00:21.20`	`stupidkid`	`:D`
`00:21.21`	`hackers2`	`er my-favorite-pick-here? lol`
`00:21.35`	`vsquared`	`like... k7 or k7-smp`
`00:21.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`stupidkid: I did it as root... seemed to work... but no reply or anything... no errors.`
`00:21.41`	`vsquared`	`or amd64`
`00:21.46`	`stupidkid`	`yeah`
`00:21.48`	`hackers2`	`oic`
`00:21.52`	`Cheethoe`	`TwistedEmotions : now try playing something in xmms`
`00:21.52`	`stupidkid`	`that works TwistedEmotions :)`
`00:21.55`	`vsquared`	`type 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6'`
`00:21.58`	`ribnitz`	`hackers2: use apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.11 to get a list of favorites`
`00:21.59`	`hackers2`	`i have both in i think for this current one...`
`00:22.32`	`ribnitz`	`I definitely need sheep.`
`00:22.32`	`shingouz`	`TwistedEmotions, stupidkid: chmodding /dev/dsp to rwx is not usually a good idea. it should work but it is not a good idea`
`00:22.36`	`BoD_SWAT`	`evening all`
`00:22.39`	`hackers2`	`heh`
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`00:22.40`	`hackers2`	`nothing happens`
`00:22.44`	`hackers2`	`i suck`
`00:22.56`	`abrotman`	`add yourself to the damn audio group`
`00:23.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`stupidkid: Cheethoe: did it... still doesnt work... same error.`
`00:23.19`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, 'nothing' can't happen`
`00:23.20`	`shingouz`	`TwistedEmotions: check what sound device xmms uses... you could be using alsa on it and you have dsp active. not going to work, man.`
`00:23.27`	`vsquared`	`hackers2, unless you added a single quote`
`00:23.32`	`clojster`	`at what time are scripts in /etc/cron.daily executed?`
`00:23.33`	`hackers2`	`vsquared, it just goes back to the er oh`
`00:23.40`	`vsquared`	`hah, called it`
`00:23.41`	`hackers2`	`vsquared, it just goes back to the $`
`00:23.42`	`abrotman`	`cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp`
`00:23.45`	`BoD_SWAT`	`"new disklabel (partition table) of label-type. label-type should be one of "bsd", "gpt", "loop", "mac", "mips", "msdos", "pc98" or "sun"." Which one do I need?`
`00:23.46`	`vsquared`	`awww, nm`
`00:23.54`	`abrotman`	`clojster: check /etc/crontab`
`00:24.15`	`hackers2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:24.16`	`ribnitz`	`BoD_SWAT: normal pc?`
`00:24.27`	`vsquared`	`then type apt-cache search kernel-image`
`00:24.32`	`BoD_SWAT`	`ribnitz, uhh.. yes... 'home server' pc.`
`00:24.35`	`hackers2`	`oh`
`00:24.36`	`hackers2`	`i see it`
`00:24.39`	`ribnitz`	`BoD_SWAT: msdos`
`00:24.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`shingouz: set that too... didnt work.`
`00:24.50`	`hackers2`	`e not a`
`00:24.58`	`BoD_SWAT`	`ribnitz, are you kidding me? (you are, aren't you?)`
`00:25.08`	`TwistedEmotions`	` WARNING : alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (default): No such device`
`00:25.13`	`hackers2`	`ok!`
`00:25.22`	`shingouz`	`TwistedEmotions: is the sound physically turned on? check the knobs on the amp, man`
`00:25.22`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Do I need to re-setup a audio drive?`
`00:25.22`	`abrotman`	`TwistedEmotions: did you ever ask #alsa ?`
`00:25.26`	`BoD_SWAT`	`ribnitz, sorry, but msdos.... sounds so.... not-like-linux :-/`
`00:25.31`	`hackers2`	`what is the difference between the k7 and the k7-SMD ?`
`00:25.43`	`vsquared`	`smp, and smp means 'symmetric multi processing'`
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`00:25.47`	`abrotman`	`TwistedEmotions: did you ever ask #alsa ?`
`00:25.47`	`hackers2`	`o.O`
`00:25.52`	`vsquared`	`if you have a dual chip board, use that`
`00:25.58`	`abrotman`	`!tell hackers2 about smp`
`00:25.58`	`hackers2`	`i dont have hyperthreading or dual board`
`00:25.59`	`TwistedEmotions`	`abrotman: no I'll go ask there`
`00:26.00`	`nunez`	`How do I do a M with a line under it in a terminal text editor?`
`00:26.02`	`vsquared`	`then don't`
`00:26.04`	`BoD_SWAT`	`ribnitz, thnx, I will try it`
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`00:27.01`	`abrotman`	`sunday sure started early :)`
`00:27.07`	`shingouz`	`it sure did`
`00:27.10`	`hackers2`	`weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ;) kernal updates`
`00:27.21`	`vsquared`	`have you tried typing 'cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus'?`
`00:27.22`	`shingouz`	`hackers2: KERNEL!`
`00:27.37`	`vsquared`	`its totally colonel`
`00:27.39`	`pekkele`	`:D HAHA`
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`00:28.56`	`AK-87`	`hrm`
`00:29.12`	`AK-87`	`how do i find out the domain name of my network?`
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`00:30.51`	`thomas_adam`	`AK-87: hostname -d`
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`00:33.36`	`vsquared`	`just to be nice to bash users, NOTHING should make 'ctrl-w' do something potentially annoying`
`00:33.42`	`vsquared`	`like close the window`
`00:34.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`~start a shell war`
`00:34.05`	`apt`	`zsh owns esh`
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`00:35.21`	`hackers2`	`shingouz, sorry >.<`
`00:35.36`	`shingouz`	`you'll learn :)`
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`00:35.42`	`hackers2`	`ok now the kernal is in.. just shutdown and reboot totally from scratch and select that kernal on boot?`
`00:35.53`	`shingouz`	`kernal. /me sighs`
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`00:36.03`	`FieldySnuts`	`please. spell it properly`
`00:36.07`	`Nielsen`	`colonel kernel`
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`00:36.21`	`hackers2`	`ok now the kernel is in.. just shutdown and reboot totally from scratch and select that kernel on boot?`
`00:36.31`	`vsquared`	`kernel sanders loves the linux colonel`
`00:36.32`	`hackers2`	`ok ill make a concentrated effort not to mess that up`
`00:36.39`	`Nielsen`	`vsquared: lol`
`00:36.58`	`hackers2`	`was i correct though?`
`00:37.14`	`shingouz`	`you just have to shutdown -r now and you should be on the new kernel`
`00:37.15`	`Nielsen`	`yeah`
`00:37.28`	`vsquared`	`I've gotten somebody at work to call on base asking for colonel sanders, I wonder if I should try for colonel linux`
`00:37.44`	`hackers2`	`yeah shutdown totally and restart from power off ok got it..... brb then`
`00:37.55`	`hackers2`	`btw vsquared there is not 11 herbs and spices`
`00:37.57`	`hackers2`	`its 13`
`00:38.00`	`hackers2`	`>:)`
`00:38.17`	`hackers2`	`ok bbiab yall`
`00:38.30`	`vsquared`	`that's it, I'm coding an 11_herbs_spices kernel module`
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`00:38.41`	`hackers2`	`but its NOT 11!!!!`
`00:38.42`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Wow... my windows installation on vmware is faster then my windows dualboot system..`
`00:38.55`	`hackers2`	`dont forget salt and pepper count :P`
`00:39.08`	`quitte`	`hackers2: reboot, now.`
`00:39.38`	`TwistedEmotions`	`scew you too.`
`00:40.49`	`cafuego`	`Oh lord, it's sunday.`
`00:41.24`	`bucky`	`sunday came early this week`
`00:41.27`	`myren`	`the lords day`
`00:41.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`this morning was awful here`
`00:41.40`	`nicodein_`	`sunday... the shower day ;)`
`00:41.43`	`lordmyren`	`where are you cafuego?`
`00:41.50`	`ApEtc`	`nicodein_: Whether you need it or not?`
`00:41.55`	`jasoncohen`	`will openoffice 1.1.4 be going into sid after sarge is released?`
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`00:42.07`	`nicodein_`	`ApEtc: showering is like rebooting ;)`
`00:42.23`	`K_Dallas`	`jasoncohen, isnt it in sid already?`
`00:42.29`	`FieldySnuts`	`some people don't do it untill there is a security vulnerability?`
`00:42.44`	`jasoncohen`	`K_Dallas, no, 1.1.3 is in sid`
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`00:43.07`	`K_Dallas`	`i see. i have installed their beta ones and it is pretty good`
`00:43.33`	`jasoncohen`	`K_Dallas, the official packages from openoffice.org or the debian packages?`
`00:43.42`	`K_Dallas`	`there is i think #debian-oo with links to get the latest packages`
`00:43.59`	`cafuego`	`lordmyren: Down under`
`00:44.20`	`K_Dallas`	`i havent installed the official ones, last time i installed it was from that chan even though i do not use it that often`
`00:44.29`	`jasoncohen`	`K_Dallas, thanks`
`00:44.40`	`K_Dallas`	`mp`
`00:45.29`	`bucky`	`where did hackers2 go?`
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`00:45.40`	`cafuego`	`bucky: hell`
`00:46.04`	`bucky`	`is that what happens when newbies upgrade a kernel?`
`00:46.32`	`cafuego`	`bucky: No, it'w ehere people go when they use '11!!!!' as punctuation.`
`00:46.43`	`FieldySnuts`	`and say "kernal" repeatedly`
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`00:46.47`	`jasoncohen`	`K_Dallas, so, you haven't used 1.1.4 from experimental?`
`00:47.06`	`cafuego`	`FieldySnuts: None of the 12 sites I visit has much in the way of ads. The rest of the web holds no interest.`
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`00:47.53`	`K_Dallas`	`the one i have right now is 1.9.106`
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`00:48.10`	`K_Dallas`	`but i think i did used the sid one before that`
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`00:49.33`	`K_Dallas`	`is there a way to run mplayer -playlist url on the background or i have to keep a term open just for that? ( i rather have an extra term than gmplayer)`
`00:49.58`	`mrwill`	`K_Dallas: you could run it within screen and then detach the screen.`
`00:50.04`	`K_Dallas`	`i tried mplayer ... & but it stopped at some stage so had to bring it on foreground`
`00:50.25`	`K_Dallas`	`mrwill, that is all new to me, could you please explain a little bit more? thanks`
`00:50.47`	`mrwill`	`K_Dallas: man screen`
`00:50.51`	`K_Dallas`	`ok, thank you`
`00:51.16`	`K_Dallas`	`no man for screen, so i presume that i have to install it right?`
`00:51.29`	`mrwill`	`K_Dallas: yes, believe package is called screen`
`00:51.47`	`K_Dallas`	`checking that out. thanks again`
`00:52.16`	`mrwill`	`sure, I think it can do what you want.`
`00:52.26`	`K_Dallas`	`good :)`
`00:53.49`	`BoD_SWAT`	`how can I check if a partition is OK? I've partitioned my HD (ext2) using Debian Woody, but somehow I can't mount it (using '-t' = wrong fs type, bad option), because 'mount <dev><dir>' doesn't work. Help?`
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`00:54.36`	`ethics`	`BoD_SWAT, are you mounting the partition number too?`
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`00:54.58`	`BoD_SWAT`	`yes its /dev/hdb (partition number /dev/hdb1)`
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`00:55.09`	`vsquared`	`file -s /dev/hdb1`
`00:55.10`	`vsquared`	`as root`
`00:55.34`	`BoD_SWAT`	`"/dev/hdb1: x86 boot sector, extended partition table"`
`00:55.43`	`vsquared`	`there you go`
`00:55.57`	`vsquared`	`its not a filesystem`
`00:56.11`	`BoD_SWAT`	`? what do you mean?`
`00:56.22`	`vsquared`	`its the extended partition`
`00:56.45`	`cafuego`	`it means you have no primary partitions. You will probably have partiton numbers 5 and up, with actual data,.`
`00:57.05`	`BoD_SWAT`	`the strangest thing also happened with 'fdisk'. When I tried to make an 83, it didn't accept it, only 82 (swap)`
`00:57.37`	`k0nli3d`	`are there commandline functions to get drive space info?`
`00:57.49`	`benjamindees`	`that would make sense if it were reversed...`
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`00:58.07`	`vsquared`	`k0nli3d, df`
`00:58.33`	`jasoncohen`	`K_Dallas, damn, openoffice won't even install from experimental. it first complained that openoffice.org-l10-en wasn't there so i explicitly included that package from experimental but now it's saying that package conflicts with openoffice.org-bin 1.1.4. I guess i'm going to stick with 1.1.3 for now`
`00:59.15`	`vsquared`	`can someone who is running sid do me a favor? install the ipython shell, start it, then type 'ls' and tell me what happens`
`00:59.17`	`abrotman`	`benjamindees: many`
`00:59.19`	`vsquared`	`mine segfaults`
`00:59.33`	`vsquared`	`I'm trying to make sure I'm just not an idiot`
`00:59.51`	`K_Dallas`	`jasoncohen, i didnt have a previous package installed though`
`00:59.52`	`BoD_SWAT`	`it's a primary partition "/dev/hdb1 1 14946 120053713+ 83 Linux".. am I wrong, or should this just work?`
`01:00.09`	`k0nli3d`	`is it my imagination or is there something wrog with gnome system monitor? Its always seems to say less space is used than is actual`
`01:00.12`	`abrotman`	`no swap partition ?`
`01:00.23`	`FieldySnuts`	`didn't actually format it?`
`01:00.27`	`abrotman`	`k0nli3d: 5% reserved for root`
`01:00.34`	`K_Dallas`	`also, i would suggest you to install the one from #debian-oo onto another folder just to see if that works for you as it did for me`
`01:00.42`	`Ugly_Duck`	`how can you force a dvdrom umount if it keeps saying its busy, as far as i can tell its got nothing using it..... i shutdown the file managers etc`
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`01:00.48`	`BoD_SWAT`	`abrotman, no swap`
`01:00.52`	`k0nli3d`	`abrotman: on sep partitions?`
`01:00.54`	`abrotman`	`Ugly_Duck: make it unbusy .. fuser or lsof`
`01:00.57`	`K_Dallas`	`mrwill: it worked so nicely. appreciate the help`
`01:00.59`	`BoD_SWAT`	`using fdisk`
`01:01.03`	`abrotman`	`k0nli3d: afaik .. root gets 5% of all partitions`
`01:01.13`	`pwned`	`uh. testing libmagick6-dev seems to be broken`
`01:01.13`	`mrwill`	`K_Dallas: anytime, glad it worked.`
`01:01.21`	`abrotman`	`pwned: why ?`
`01:01.25`	`FieldySnuts`	`i'm thinking he created the partitions, but did not format then`
`01:01.25`	`quitte`	`vsquared: i'm getting a directory listing`
`01:01.26`	`FieldySnuts`	`m`
`01:01.38`	`K_Dallas`	`i had heard about screen but did not know what it was good for ;)`
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`01:02.01`	`mrwill`	`K_Dallas: it has some uses, all right. I use it every day.`
`01:02.13`	`pwned`	`abrotman: can't compile a simple test case.. echo -e "#include <magick/api.h> int main(){}\n"> test.cpp && g++-3.3 test.cpp -lMagick`
`01:02.16`	`K_Dallas`	`:) i might get addicted to`
`01:02.34`	`vsquared`	`quitte, with what?`
`01:02.48`	`quitte`	`vsquared: huh?`
`01:03.05`	`spoopin`	`K_Dallas: screen is good for everything :)`
`01:03.08`	`Ugly_Duck`	`abrotman: you are the man.... thanks, that fuser worked perfectly.. first time i have ever even heard of it`
`01:03.11`	`vsquared`	`quitte, you addressed me and said that you get a directory listing`
`01:03.16`	`quitte`	`vsquared: i ran ipython and ls in it.`
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`01:03.27`	`vsquared`	`quitte, oh, I forgot I said that`
`01:03.28`	`k0nli3d`	`fieldySnuts: df says 100%, g-sysmon says 48.8 of 51.4.. thats 2.6 = ~5%..`
`01:03.29`	`abrotman`	`pwned: returns what ?`
`01:03.38`	`abrotman`	`Ugly_Duck: glad to help`
`01:03.39`	`vsquared`	`quitte, all those damn drugs`
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`01:03.57`	`vsquared`	`quitte, that helps`
`01:04.05`	`FieldySnuts`	`k0nli3d: okay, and why are you telling me?`
`01:04.20`	`k0nli3d`	`you guess i hadnt formatted?`
`01:04.38`	`vsquared`	`quitte, happens with ipython for 2.3 and 2.4... and debsums claims that they're okay`
`01:04.49`	`k0nli3d`	`nm.. time to go tell the gnoome people off =)`
`01:04.52`	`quitte`	`vsquared: im upgradig python2.3 atm. maybe itll break the next try`
`01:04.59`	`BoD_SWAT`	`FieldySnuts, OMFG, that's it... I totally forgot to format (okay, it's definately getting to freaking late for me :S, time for bed)`
`01:05.01`	`tooes`	`can't find the nvidia driver :(`
`01:05.15`	`mwilson`	`tooes: Haven't looked, you mean.`
`01:05.30`	`mwilson`	`k0nli3d: What makes you think something is wrong with Gnome?`
`01:05.42`	`FieldySnuts`	`can't be user error, has to be the software`
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`01:06.04`	`BoD_SWAT`	`FieldySnuts, rofl ;-)`
`01:06.07`	`mwilson`	`FieldySnuts: Comprehehension error, on his part.`
`01:06.11`	`k0nli3d`	`mwilson: sysmon doesn't account for the 5% root in reportign drivespace used`
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`01:06.15`	`FieldySnuts`	`#include <err/id10t.h>`
`01:06.27`	`tooes`	`mwilson: 3H i look for`
`01:06.27`	`mwilson`	`k0nli3d: How do you figure?`
`01:06.51`	`BoD_SWAT`	`FieldySnuts, #include <err/sleepdeprivation.h>`
`01:06.58`	`BoD_SWAT`	`that would be more like it`
`01:06.59`	`quitte`	`vsquared: still works`
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`01:07.14`	`k0nli3d`	`thats what abrotman says.. the crrent shortfall comes to ~5% so its quite likely`
`01:07.14`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg: aussiesmite BoD_SWAT`
`01:07.15`	`dpkg`	`BoD_SWAT: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell`
`01:07.42`	`mwilson`	`k0nli3d: Actually it's pretty much completely unlikely, but hey, whatever floats your boat.`
`01:07.52`	`vsquared`	`quitte, oh, wait... some python packages compile modules at install time, right?`
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`01:08.00`	`quitte`	`yes`
`01:08.05`	`BoD_SWAT`	`what the..... omg... why do I suddenly start to think about userfriendly (roughly 2 months ago?)`
`01:08.11`	`k0nli3d`	`mwilson: what is most likely in your opinion?`
`01:08.15`	`abrotman`	`k0nli3d: that was a guess`
`01:08.24`	`vsquared`	`yeah, I swapped this hard drive into a celeron box recently when my other mobo blew`
`01:08.24`	`pwned`	`abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/2lkf1b12.html`
`01:08.24`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh it's a gnome app, it's expected to act lame`
`01:08.25`	`k0nli3d`	`good one tho`
`01:08.27`	`abrotman`	`k0nli3d: did you do the math for the discrepancy ?`
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`01:08.47`	`k0nli3d`	`yeah 2.6 Gb = 5% of 52Gb`
`01:08.48`	`vsquared`	`I'm gonna guess some modules were compiled for k7.. does that make sense?`
`01:08.48`	`mwilson`	`k0nli3d: Comprehension error, as I said. But hey, I have no interest, do continue.`
`01:08.49`	`abrotman`	`pwned: so which package is broken ?`
`01:08.56`	`pwned`	`libmagick6-dev I think`
`01:09.04`	`tooes`	`mwilson: i have an ero while i start xfree :/ no screen with nv drive set it can't find libGLcore :(`
`01:09.17`	`vsquared`	`I'm not familiar with how python modules are packaged`
`01:09.29`	`abrotman`	`pwned: did you check the BTS ?`
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`01:09.35`	`abrotman`	`ero ?`
`01:09.45`	`pwned`	`abrotman: well I googled a lot, what's the bts website url?`
`01:09.50`	`abrotman`	`!bts`
`01:09.51`	`dpkg`	`bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges`
`01:09.51`	`FieldySnuts`	`.ee there's a tld you don't see often`
`01:09.53`	`vsquared`	`and I lied, it works in python 2.4, but I just installed 2.4`
`01:10.12`	`Mardus`	`FieldySnuts: Who has .ee?`
`01:10.12`	`quitte`	`vsquared: apt-get install --reinstall python2.3`
`01:10.18`	`FieldySnuts`	`ethiopia`
`01:10.24`	`Mardus`	`And hi everyone else.`
`01:10.43`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg: google nic .ee`
`01:10.50`	`dpkg`	`Google was unable to find any results for nic .ee`
`01:10.50`	`FieldySnuts`	`or don't`
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`01:11.04`	`simonrvn`	`!scrape google for nic ee`
`01:11.10`	`FieldySnuts`	`owned!`
`01:11.13`	`FieldySnuts`	`@win simonrvn`
`01:11.15`	`vsquared`	`quitte, dpkg-reconfigure python2.3 works just as well`
`01:11.17`	`Mardus`	`FieldySnuts: I am actually intrested in your comment that .ee is not an often-seen tld`
`01:11.17`	`simonrvn`	`oops`
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`01:11.25`	`abrotman`	`tld .ee ?`
`01:11.26`	`vsquared`	`quitte, but yeah, I think that's it`
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`01:11.33`	`FieldySnuts`	`ravenbird: hi`
`01:11.33`	`ravenbird`	`privet, fieldysnuts`
`01:11.36`	`simonrvn`	`cctld`
`01:11.46`	`pwned`	`abrotman: everything about libmagick6 is over 260 days old, -dev isn't filed`
`01:11.47`	`simonrvn`	`but don't want the cctld, we already have it`
`01:11.48`	`zOap`	`http://testbooth.zoapmedia.net/images/zoaplappy2.jpg`
`01:11.53`	`abrotman`	`pwned: none ?`
`01:11.57`	`simonrvn`	`@scrape google for nic ee`
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`01:12.04`	`pwned`	`none I say!`
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`01:12.08`	`simonrvn`	`@search google for nic ee`
`01:12.12`	`butsch`	`hi`
`01:12.17`	`FieldySnuts`	`@google for nic ee`
`01:12.21`	`simonrvn`	`!scrape google for nic ee`
`01:12.26`	`FieldySnuts`	`oh my`
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`01:12.27`	`simonrvn`	`aaak`
`01:12.29`	`vsquared`	`hell, that's it`
`01:12.29`	`FieldySnuts`	`found a bug did ya`
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`01:12.34`	`simonrvn`	`hit a bug it seems`
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`01:12.38`	`abrotman`	`pwned: did you try libmagick++6-dev`
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`01:12.44`	`plugwash`	`there doesn't appear to be a .ee tld`
`01:12.51`	`vsquared`	`I wonder if its a wishlist bug on python to warn about compiling python modules for a specific sub-architecture`
`01:12.55`	`FieldySnuts`	`there is, they just don't have an NIC`
`01:12.56`	`simonrvn`	`ee is a tld`
`01:12.57`	`Mardus`	`plugwash: Where "there"?`
`01:13.11`	`abrotman`	`!.ee`
`01:13.11`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, .ee is the TLD (top level domain) of Estonia`
`01:13.16`	`FieldySnuts`	`or that`
`01:13.17`	`pwned`	`abrotman: I am trying to compile something which uses libmagick (requires 5.5.7 or greater) and I need this.`
`01:13.19`	`simonrvn`	`oh`
`01:13.23`	`simonrvn`	`estonia`
`01:13.24`	`plugwash`	`hmm www.nic.ee didn't respond here`
`01:13.24`	`quitte`	`vsquared: seems to be more than that to me.`
`01:13.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`like i said they don't have an nic`
`01:13.35`	`abrotman`	`pwned: i realize that .. try libmagick++6-dev`
`01:13.35`	`FieldySnuts`	`as many very small tlds are`
`01:13.45`	`plugwash`	`so can you register a domain there`
`01:13.46`	`vsquared`	`quitte, more than wishlist, you mean?`
`01:13.50`	`plugwash`	`and if so how?`
`01:13.53`	`simonrvn`	`Estonia ee est 233`
`01:13.58`	`Mardus`	`FieldySnuts: I am just interested as to why you said that .ee TLD is not often seen.`
`01:14.03`	`quitte`	`vsquared: it break when it cannot be expected and you never were warned. it's a bug`
`01:14.15`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: because noone is from estonia`
`01:14.19`	`simonrvn`	`Ethiopia et eth 231`
`01:14.21`	`abrotman`	`now .. elbonia .. lots of people`
`01:14.22`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: I am.`
`01:14.25`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: you lie!`
`01:14.33`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: I don't lie.`
`01:14.38`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: a small country but there is life`
`01:14.41`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: not even to your mom ?`
`01:14.46`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: I didn't lie about that.`
`01:14.52`	`abrotman`	`heh`
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`01:15.06`	`vsquared`	`quitte, I don't see a bug for it, guess its time to file my first package bugreport`
`01:15.15`	`BibTeX`	`hello... I have a general question. not a Debian one`
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`01:15.31`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: But you can check from whois or whatever that I am from .ee/Estonia`
`01:15.56`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: i'm joking . i'm sure you are`
`01:16.15`	`abrotman`	`cafuego: but the greek girl was hot`
`01:16.17`	`BibTeX`	`if someone wants to talk to an authoritie of standardisation in software to make a certain stuff standard? to who shall we talk?`
`01:16.18`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: I almost understood that you were joking.`
`01:16.22`	`shingouz`	`in soviet russia the eurovision blames you :p`
`01:16.23`	`BibTeX`	`example`
`01:16.28`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: What Eurovision debacle? Which are you referring to?`
`01:16.28`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: i forgot my </sarcasm>`
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`01:16.42`	`cafuego`	`shingouz: Don't be sussudio, it's not becoming`
`01:16.44`	`BibTeX`	`to standardise something like IPC (Pipes, message ...etc) to whom we talk?`
`01:16.49`	`shingouz`	`hehe`
`01:16.49`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`01:16.54`	`abrotman`	`!be sussudio barbie`
`01:16.54`	`dpkg`	`Kiss my shiny metal ass, abrotman!`
`01:17.07`	`shingouz`	`just had too much of the eurovision and .ru for today, that is all`
`01:17.08`	`shingouz`	`:`
`01:17.11`	`shingouz`	`:) even`
`01:17.25`	`sussudio`	`!doe cafuego`
`01:17.25`	`cafuego`	`abrotman: Vanilla Ninja kick ass.`
`01:17.28`	`pwned`	`abrotman: compiles and links fine`
`01:17.37`	`cafuego`	`oh, lekker`
`01:17.51`	`abrotman`	`pwned: so it's all good ?`
`01:18.03`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: Vanilla Ninja is called Vinja here in Estonia.`
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`01:18.22`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: I have all their cds ;-)`
`01:18.23`	`sussudio`	`http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/361/15593_squirrel.html < in soviet russia, squirrels invade you.`
`01:18.30`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: Vinja as an evil or half-evil or sarcastic nick to them : )`
`01:18.52`	`pwned`	`abrotman: no, libmagic++ compiles and links fine, I need libmagick`
`01:19.05`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: Still, what debacle were you referring to? Do tell, I am interested :)`
`01:19.07`	`shingouz`	`sussudio: you have an obsession with .ru :)`
`01:19.21`	`ToniT`	`joku sellanen. Kyll� kiert�� taas..`
`01:19.28`	`ToniT`	`sorry..`
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`01:19.36`	`pwned`	`I am trying to compile gdl (gnu data language or the data language) and it asks for libmagick >= 5.5.7`
`01:19.45`	`abrotman`	`pwned: one is for C .. the other for C++ .. i think`
`01:19.52`	`simonrvn`	`yes`
`01:19.52`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: 4 chicks in sacks and a satanic drummer?`
`01:19.56`	`pwned`	`abrotman: yes good thinking. Now my problem is not solved.`
`01:20.04`	`*** part/#debian BibTeX (~youssef@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr)`
`01:20.12`	`sussudio`	`ToniT: M�yr�?`
`01:20.15`	`abrotman`	`pwned: not solved ?`
`01:20.23`	`pwned`	`I am trying to compile gdl (gnu data language or the data language) and it asks for libmagick >= 5.5.7`
`01:20.29`	`pwned`	`not libmagick++`
`01:20.31`	`pwned`	`libmagick`
`01:20.32`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: There were five. The sacks were for wooden knives, but the girls were prohibited from wearing those because of security.`
`01:20.36`	`pwned`	`see, no pluses`
`01:20.38`	`pwned`	`no classes`
`01:20.40`	`cafuego`	`Tii / Neik�s�`
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`01:20.46`	`abrotman`	`pwned: if you install both .. does it compile ?`
`01:20.50`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: They were scary, I had nightmares for DAYS`
`01:20.51`	`pwned`	`abrotman: no.`
`01:20.56`	`abrotman`	`pwned: hrm ..`
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`01:21.20`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: Neiok��o~so~ (o~ as in õ)`
`01:21.48`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: and wtf is that then? badger? :)`
`01:21.50`	`pwned`	`wait. It does!`
`01:21.55`	`abrotman`	`pwned: maybe oyu need the libmagick5 instead of 6`
`01:21.57`	`pwned`	`I am sorry abrotman . Thanks.`
`01:22.02`	`abrotman`	`pwned: sorry ?`
`01:22.05`	`abrotman`	`oh .. yay`
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`01:22.10`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: What's a badger?`
`01:22.15`	`abrotman`	`!dict badger`
`01:22.17`	`dpkg`	`Dictionary 'badger' (1 of 5): Badger \Badg"er\, n. [Of uncertain origin; perh. fr. an old verb badge to lay up provisions to sell again.] An itinerant licensed dealer in commodities used for food; a hawker; a huckster; -- formerly applied especially to one who bought grain in one place and sold it in another. [Now dialectic, Eng.].`
`01:22.23`	`lordmyren`	`wow, my laptop just gets more and more and more unstable, less and less testing`
`01:22.24`	`abrotman`	`oh .. that worked well`
`01:22.28`	`pwned`	`abrotman: it gave me another error that looked exactly like the libmagick error, but it was about netcdf or something`
`01:22.29`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: uh. somethign tha badgers you on this channel`
`01:22.35`	`pwned`	`I will continue getting the deps now`
`01:22.36`	`abrotman`	`pwned: dunno what that is`
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`01:22.39`	`pwned`	`no problem`
`01:22.43`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: Yeah, my terminal fuck it up, so I can't see what I'm typing :-/`
`01:22.43`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: badger badger snake!`
`01:22.45`	`pwned`	`sorry for the burst`
`01:22.51`	`abrotman`	`pwned: s'alright`
`01:22.53`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: But what is "wtf is that then"?`
`01:23.00`	`abrotman`	`pwned: you might find apt-file useful`
`01:23.06`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: What The fuck :)`
`01:23.24`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: http://badgerbadgerbadger.com/`
`01:23.39`	`*** part/#debian MarcN (~marc@dsl.wildcat.mv.com)`
`01:23.44`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Sorry, I typed something wrong.`
`01:23.50`	`FieldySnuts`	`abrotman: heh`
`01:23.51`	`shingouz`	`i'll stop badgering you now, Mardus :)`
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`01:24.06`	`hackers`	`weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee`
`01:24.24`	`hackers`	`the new kernal didnt work at all`
`01:24.26`	`hackers`	`it hated me`
`01:24.28`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: You said: "Mardus: and wtf is that then? badger? :)" -- only later did I understand what you referred to with 'that'.`
`01:24.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`here we go again...`
`01:24.32`	`shingouz`	`kernel`
`01:24.37`	`spoopin`	`abrotman: that is the most evil URL in existance`
`01:24.39`	`hackers`	`oh yeah`
`01:24.43`	`Mardus`	`And I know what wtf is.`
`01:24.43`	`hackers`	`ok kernel`
`01:25.01`	`abrotman`	`spoopin: he asked :)`
`01:25.04`	`simonrvn`	`!kernal`
`01:25.05`	`dpkg`	`KERNEL KERNEL KERNEL`
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`01:25.15`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: sorry, i need some caffeine, lotsa smokes and.. well, things`
`01:25.28`	`spoopin`	`abrotman: yeah, but now I have to hear it in my head`
`01:25.28`	`WhiteRabbit`	`spoopin, http://www.anal0g.org/`
`01:25.28`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Mhmh...`
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`01:25.39`	`abrotman`	`spoopin: SANNNANNAAAAKE!`
`01:25.44`	`FieldySnuts`	`!start a badger war`
`01:25.44`	`dpkg`	`mushrooms are worse than kawfees`
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`01:25.56`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`01:26.02`	`WhiteRabbit`	`!start a world war`
`01:26.02`	`dpkg`	`Muslims rule!`
`01:26.06`	`FieldySnuts`	`oh my`
`01:26.08`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: I was trying to write the name of the Neiokoso girls, by writing the õ character as o~`
`01:26.20`	`spoopin`	`abrotman: NOOOO!`
`01:26.26`	`sussudio`	`!fix WhiteRabbit`
`01:26.27`	`shingouz`	`hackers: when you installed the kernel, you didnt by any chance check that the initrd=/initrd.img stanza was in lilo.conf?`
`01:26.42`	`FieldySnuts`	`!aussiesmite sussudio`
`01:26.43`	`dpkg`	`sussudio: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell`
`01:26.49`	`FieldySnuts`	`damn it, it said that last time`
`01:26.57`	`shingouz`	`� <-- that one, Mardus?`
`01:26.59`	`bunta`	`hey dose any one know a good site to DL linux fonts???`
`01:27.05`	`sussudio`	`lolz?`
`01:27.17`	`schleyfox`	`hello, I have proper kernel-headers installed, but I cannot get fakeroot (for ndiswrapper) to be able to access them and my ndiswrapper compile fails.`
`01:27.32`	`Mardus`	`�cafuego: Did I tell you that the Neiokoso girls were cute, but not that satanic drummer? The drummer has had some health problems this or last year, as far as I can recall.`
`01:27.38`	`spoopin`	`WhiteRabbit: strange.`
`01:28.12`	`quitte`	`schleyfox: get a nic that doesn't need ndiswrapper`
`01:28.16`	`FieldySnuts`	`amen`
`01:28.23`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: Yes. UI tried to write an actual õ, which to my terminal looks like &iumlaut;&upsidedownquestionmark;&half;`
`01:28.34`	`schleyfox`	`no it works fine with ndiswrapper`
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`01:28.48`	`Leonardo_Lopes`	`apt_: xorg?`
`01:28.56`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: Must be the fumes from the goat sacrifices, I reckon.`
`01:28.56`	`schleyfox`	`and I am not going through the hell of finding another`
`01:28.56`	`FieldySnuts`	`with proprietary drivers, which we can't support`
`01:28.56`	`abrotman`	`!tell Leonardo_Lopes about xorg`
`01:28.57`	`shingouz`	`schleyfox: ndiswrapper is evil`
`01:28.57`	`quitte`	`no ndiswrapper is always evil`
`01:28.59`	`FieldySnuts`	`so have fun`
`01:29.04`	`atholas`	`q/uit`
`01:29.08`	`schleyfox`	`yes but it should work`
`01:29.17`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: I don't do goat sacrifices and I'm not a satanist... Or a land-believer (maausuline)`
`01:29.20`	`atholas`	`Sorry, was in a hurry to exit the irc client :)`
`01:29.25`	`shingouz`	`schleyfox: that is the whole point. it should work`
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`01:29.32`	`bunta`	`hey dose any one have a good download site for linux fonts ??????`
`01:29.34`	`FieldySnuts`	`!annoy schleyfox`
`01:29.35`	`schleyfox`	`yes but its a simple compile error`
`01:29.38`	`sussudio`	`!aolify bunta`
`01:29.39`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: No, but then again, you're not that drummer.`
`01:29.41`	`benjamindees`	`corefonts.sf.net`
`01:29.59`	`WhiteRabbit`	`!tease somebody`
`01:30.15`	`Leonardo_Lopes`	`!tell Leonardo_Lopes about x11/trunk`
`01:30.16`	`sussudio`	`bunta: turn off your timer of kickage will happen.`
`01:30.22`	`FieldySnuts`	`that's the worst acronym i've ever seen`
`01:30.24`	`Leonardo_Lopes`	`!tell Leonardo_Lopes about x11`
`01:30.28`	`sussudio`	`!msg the bot`
`01:30.29`	`dpkg`	`talk to the bot in msg or our trained attack dogs will bite your genitalia off`
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`01:30.34`	`Leonardo_Lopes`	`!tell Leonardo_Lopes about xfree86`
`01:30.45`	`bunta`	`WTF is a timer????`
`01:30.50`	`mrwill`	`Leonardo_Lopes: what the heck are you doing?`
`01:30.56`	`FieldySnuts`	`lay off the ?'s please, only one or two at the most`
`01:31.01`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: Mhmh. But the debacle with Neioko~so~ was with the local Eurovison contest to get a performer to the main contest. The Eesti telefon/Elion computer, that collected telephone and mobile votes, reportedly crashed under a heavy load.`
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`01:31.26`	`MasterChief`	`I am having problems deleting debian. I put in a MSDOS disk and delete all the linux partitions, and formatt the hardrive, I take out the disk and restart and it lilo comes up! Then I open up the computer and unconnect the hardrive IDE cables an reconnect them and quess what, LILO still comes up. Please Help, I am trying to reinstall.`
`01:31.33`	`pekkele`	`what mean, hlds_l_1120_.full.bin: error extracting payload, No suck file or directrory`
`01:31.35`	`sussudio`	`kill him.`
`01:31.38`	`sussudio`	`why is someone talking about eurovision in here.`
`01:31.45`	`quitte`	`MasterChief: fdisk /mbr`
`01:31.50`	`abrotman`	`MasterChief: why would you want to delete it ? .. just reinstall`
`01:31.51`	`cafuego`	`MasterChief: Boot from dos floppy, run 'fdisk /mbr'`
`01:31.52`	`mrwill`	`MasterChief: why don't you just boot from an install cd?`
`01:32.05`	`cafuego`	`sussudio: Shuddup!`
`01:32.09`	`benjamindees`	`that's inventive, unplugging ide cables...`
`01:32.12`	`shingouz`	`MasterChief: if you really want to flatten the drive totally, dd a short while onto it from /dev/zero`
`01:32.12`	`sussudio`	`!fuck cafuego`
`01:32.14`	`FieldySnuts`	`lilo is outside the partitions, in the MBR. fdisk /mbr`
`01:32.21`	`MasterChief`	`Tried reinstalling, cd wont work and floppy cant find init.`
`01:32.26`	`MasterChief`	`thanks`
`01:32.28`	`Mardus`	`cafuego:: So the computer didn't collect all the votes, but there were votes collected from every country anyway, so statistically, Neioko~so~had won.`
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`01:32.46`	`FieldySnuts`	`...`
`01:32.55`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg: aussiesmite sussudio`
`01:32.56`	`dpkg`	`sussudio: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell`
`01:32.59`	`FieldySnuts`	`damn it!!`
`01:33.11`	`FieldySnuts`	`third time in a row on that one`
`01:33.12`	`Mardus`	`*...`
`01:33.14`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: Typical. Not that anyone else would have beaten Ruslana.`
`01:33.16`	`shingouz`	`FieldySnuts: i have a HP Colorlaser here. you can borrow it if you like ;)`
`01:33.38`	`pekkele`	`can someone help pls,, idont realy understand this error hlds_l_1120_.full.bin: error extracting payload, No such file or directory`
`01:33.47`	`abrotman`	`FieldySnuts: nose ?`
`01:34.09`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh`
`01:34.18`	`cafuego`	`get a room`
`01:34.27`	`sussudio`	`!room`
`01:34.27`	`dpkg`	`CHANNEL!`
`01:34.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`already did, with Phated`
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`01:34.42`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg: samir?`
`01:34.48`	`FieldySnuts`	`aww booooo`
`01:34.55`	`pwned`	`yey. Dependancies finished, compilation started`
`01:35.01`	`deadcat`	`FieldySnuts: thats wrong. (=.`
`01:35.02`	`cafuego`	`FieldySnuts: So that's why she hasn't been around for a while, you have her tied up in the cupboard?`
`01:35.17`	`MasterChief`	`I cant get my system to boot of of my debian cd, it worked before. Any ideas on this?`
`01:35.24`	`sussudio`	`!any ideas`
`01:35.24`	`dpkg`	`Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 rabid dairy cows. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes!`
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`01:35.52`	`quitte`	`MasterChief: boot order in bios: cdrom,a,c`
`01:36.00`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg: get it right this time.`
`01:36.02`	`sussudio`	`mushroom, snake`
`01:36.05`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg: aussiesmite sussudio`
`01:36.06`	`dpkg`	`sussudio: shut up ya bloody yank or i'll cut your acres off!`
`01:36.08`	`FieldySnuts`	`finally`
`01:36.13`	`MasterChief`	`It is already like that.`
`01:36.15`	`sussudio`	`i'm not a yank`
`01:36.26`	`flash_muppet`	`I am trying to set up gtoaster and get a warning Xlib: connection to "0.0" refused by server Xlib : no protocol specified Gtk-warning **: cannot open display: :0.0 any help appreaciated ..?`
`01:36.26`	`abrotman`	`MasterChief: does the CD boot in any system ?`
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`01:36.34`	`abrotman`	`flash_muppet: stop running it as root`
`01:36.40`	`cafuego`	`it's 'septic' not 'yank' and 'yer' or 'youre' not 'your'`
`01:36.42`	`quitte`	`MasterChief: plug the cables in properly after removing them earlier to wipe your mbr`
`01:36.47`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: Mhmh. Only that this was the first time such a vote was done, because before that, the jury voted for the foretelling "'80's Coming Back" and not for Vanilla Ninja, while the people voted for the 'Ninjas. After that, a binding televote was decided on.`
`01:36.47`	`MasterChief`	`Yeh, I even just made a new CD`
`01:36.47`	`flash_muppet`	`abrotman: thanks`
`01:37.09`	`abrotman`	`MasterChief: of which ISO ?`
`01:37.17`	`quitte`	`"sure it worked earlier! i just made it!"`
`01:37.38`	`shingouz`	`MasterChief: please tell me that you did burn it as an iso and not as data. please`
`01:37.44`	`Mardus`	`!dpkg seen Phated`
`01:37.45`	`dpkg`	`phated is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 53374 messages. Is idling for 6h 14m 30s`
`01:37.51`	`Mardus`	`�Argh.`
`01:37.55`	`abrotman`	`arh ?`
`01:37.59`	`abrotman`	`argh even`
`01:38.00`	`FieldySnuts`	`hasn't been that long...`
`01:38.08`	`abrotman`	`FieldySnuts: hopefully sleeping :)`
`01:38.17`	`FieldySnuts`	`yeah right`
`01:38.18`	`abrotman`	`!seen abrotman`
`01:38.18`	`dpkg`	`abrotman is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 104200 messages. Is idling for 0s`
`01:38.19`	`quitte`	`is it talk like a pirate day already?`
`01:38.22`	`MasterChief`	`abrotman: Binary 1 Debian 3.0`
`01:38.25`	`abrotman`	`i never idle ..`
`01:38.31`	`sussudio`	`!seen badgers`
`01:38.32`	`abrotman`	`MasterChief: you're installing woody ?`
`01:38.32`	`dpkg`	`badgers <badgers@sussudio.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13d 16h 15m 36s ago, saying: 'Yes, sussudio, you're still online.'.`
`01:38.33`	`shingouz`	`quitte: Arrr`
`01:38.42`	`MasterChief`	`Yes`
`01:38.47`	`abrotman`	`MasterChief: for a server ?`
`01:38.50`	`Mardus`	`quitte: LOL`
`01:38.53`	`MasterChief`	`Yes`
`01:38.54`	`vsquared`	`did that 'kernal' guy ever come back?`
`01:39.00`	`FieldySnuts`	`yes`
`01:39.04`	`abrotman`	`MasterChief: you realize sarge is going stable in like 3 days right ?`
`01:39.16`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: At least sarge is not vaporware.`
`01:39.20`	`quitte`	`vsquared: yes. kernal didnt boot`
`01:39.22`	`silverton`	`abrotman, I hear it's tomorrow`
`01:39.30`	`abrotman`	`silverton: there is no hard date`
`01:39.32`	`Mardus`	`quitte: No, I just thought that I gave dpkg a wrong command, when in fact it actually worked.`
`01:39.36`	`abrotman`	`http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html`
`01:39.36`	`MasterChief`	`Yeh, but I want my thing up now.`
`01:39.37`	`vsquared`	`quitte, haha`
`01:39.45`	`abrotman`	`and that doesn't fill me iwth faith`
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`01:39.48`	`silverton`	`abrotman, it's the rumor floating around in here and #debian-devel ;P`
`01:39.48`	`abrotman`	`MasterChief: external server ?`
`01:39.57`	`Mardus`	`MasterChief: LOL`
`01:40.02`	`abrotman`	`silverton: i know the rumor .. there is no hard date . there are still 12-15 RC bugs`
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`01:40.12`	`timo_`	`sudden reboot and vmware stopped working in my sarge installation, and gives following error: "... To (re-)configure it, invoke the following command: /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl.". i tried to run that command but it halts on "... directory of C header files that match your running`
`01:40.17`	`timo_`	`kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] ... The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory.", any suggestions?`
`01:40.18`	`MasterChief`	`abrotman: yes`
`01:40.20`	`silverton`	`abrotman, that can't be too hard to fix ;P`
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`01:40.31`	`abrotman`	`MasterChief: you did burn the ISO as an ISO .. not as data right ?`
`01:40.36`	`abrotman`	`MasterChief: got a windows box near by ?`
`01:40.54`	`MasterChief`	`Yeh, I on one now, I have a VGA switch`
`01:41.11`	`abrotman`	`MasterChief: pop the CD in .. do you see one file .. or a whole bunch of dirs ?`
`01:41.15`	`shingouz`	`timo_: read the error and check for the things it mentions to begin with`
`01:41.21`	`MasterChief`	`Let me check`
`01:41.37`	`Mardus`	`I remember I came here and wanted to ask something, too.`
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`01:42.14`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: but you got distracted because we are so friendly, right? :)`
`01:42.17`	`timo_`	`shingouz: vmware is installed, but it has not been (correctly) configured`
`01:42.17`	`timo_`	`for this system. To (re-)configure it, invoke the following command:`
`01:42.17`	`timo_`	`/usr/bin/vmware-config.pl.`
`01:42.33`	`MasterChief`	`OMGFG Iam such a retard, I didnt even have a OS CD it was a backup of my website!`
`01:42.37`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Yea, because I can see that friendliness.`
`01:42.45`	`abrotman`	`!lart MasterChief`
`01:42.52`	`timo_`	`it has worked before`
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`01:42.55`	`shingouz`	`timo_: i read that. how about trying to correct the errors mentioned there`
`01:43.00`	`MasterChief`	`Thank You!`
`01:43.01`	`quitte`	`timo install the kernelheaders of your current kernel and link them to usr/src/linux`
`01:43.03`	`Vegar`	`how do I burn VCDs?`
`01:43.14`	`abrotman`	`so .. how did all the security issues that joey hess has listed get skipped for sarge's relase ?`
`01:43.19`	`abrotman`	`where's gravity ?`
`01:43.27`	`pekkele`	`is there any other way to logg as root, or only su - ???`
`01:43.46`	`Mardus`	`pekkele: sudo <name of program, commands, etc.>`
`01:43.47`	`quitte`	`pekkele are you using ubuntu?`
`01:43.49`	`shingouz`	`in the console at the logon prompt`
`01:43.54`	`timo_`	`ill try`
`01:43.54`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: security fixes can get fixed out of band, so there's no reason to hold up the release for them.`
`01:43.55`	`plugwash`	`pekkele depends who crippled your system is`
`01:44.08`	`plugwash`	`*how criplled`
`01:44.09`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: but the release would happen with security issues`
`01:44.10`	`pekkele`	`no im running debian sarge`
`01:44.16`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: so?`
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`01:44.25`	`timo_`	`so how do i install kernel headers and what directory do they get installed in?`
`01:44.25`	`shingouz`	`pekkele: with a display manager?`
`01:44.28`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: that's not good :)`
`01:44.28`	`quitte`	`pekkele then just login as root is an option`
`01:44.31`	`plugwash`	`for example the default kdm config on sarge doesn't allow root logins`
`01:44.36`	`pekkele`	`i must see also user command line....`
`01:44.42`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: doesn't really matter. They get fixed when they get fixed.`
`01:44.47`	`Mardus`	`So here's a question: I have woody. I downloaded and installed AbiWord and am relatively happy with it. Only that when I open a .doc file without specifying it's an MSWord document, AbiWord crashes.`
`01:44.52`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: it's security`
`01:45.03`	`pekkele`	`shingouz: in terminal`
`01:45.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: so? most of those issues affect woody too.`
`01:45.16`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: so dont do it, specify the filetype :)`
`01:45.21`	`benjamindees`	`Mardus, you probably want sarge instead`
`01:45.29`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: perhaps .. but they may not .. because the versions in woody could be too old`
`01:45.34`	`MasterChief`	`abrotman: Ok, this time I am positive I have a debian cd and it still wont boot`
`01:45.35`	`Mardus`	`benjamindees: With an S3Trio video card???`
`01:45.45`	`timo_`	`i have a manually installed/compiled kernel, i guess i can link to that dir.-.`
`01:45.51`	`shingouz`	`pekkele: ctrl+alt+F2 should take you to a pure CLI`
`01:45.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: possibly... but in either case, it's not worth holding up the release for, since those fixes happen in an entirely different pathway anyway.`
`01:45.55`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I do specify the filetype. Just that this kind of a crash was surprising.`
`01:46.09`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: i suppose ..`
`01:46.25`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: not like they could ever fix phpbb :)`
`01:46.41`	`pekkele`	`why i cant make directorys in /. example mkdir folder. and then i look in / i cant see it :(`
`01:46.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`well, some of that php crap is probably just going to be jetisoned.`
`01:46.43`	`Mardus`	`!dpkg dict phbb`
`01:46.44`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: this is free software, it is not always perfect is about what i can say. if you can duplicate the crash and are running the latest software, maybe you should report it as a bug`
`01:46.45`	`dpkg`	`could not find definition for phbb`
`01:46.55`	`pekkele`	`shingouz: ok`
`01:47.07`	`abrotman`	`!info phpbb`
`01:47.21`	`abrotman`	`err`
`01:47.22`	`abrotman`	`!info phpbb2`
`01:47.27`	`dpkg`	`phpbb2: (A fully featured and skinneable flat (non-threaded) webforum), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.13-6 (sid), Packaged size: 512 kB, Installed size: 2660 kB`
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`01:47.36`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: But I have Debian 3.0. A few months ago I could have reported it as a bug, but with Sarge soon getting released... The question really is, whether the bug, even if reported, gets attention (taken care of) or not.`
`01:47.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`Mardus: you're better off just upgrading to sarge at this juncture, and seeing if the bug repeats itself or not.`
`01:48.01`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: Thanks on that.`
`01:48.04`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: i am not sure really.`
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`01:48.59`	`Mardus`	`dondelelcaro: Pentium 120, 32M RAM, S3Trio video card. On S3Trio video card, I was told to have XFree86 3.3.6 or get sarge and pray that it works with the card.`
`01:49.03`	`benjamindees`	`Mardus, if sarge has problems with your hardware, now's the time to test it`
`01:49.08`	`abrotman`	`!s3`
`01:49.08`	`dpkg`	`Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother.`
`01:49.09`	`Mardus`	`dondelelcaro: Here.`
`01:49.40`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: upgrade to sarge but put the xserver on hold.`
`01:49.42`	`Mardus`	`dondelelcaro: I was advised about it here.`
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`01:50.21`	`Mardus`	`dondelelcaro: About the video card and XFree86 and then praying that sarge would work with that...`
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`01:51.05`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: just put the xserver on hold and upgrade. works for me at least. well, did work before i got rid of the sucky S3`
`01:51.25`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: running sarge does not mean you have to run xfree 4.x`
`01:51.45`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I thought I had to.`
`01:52.11`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: of course you do not have to. i have systems on sid with 3.x still`
`01:52.47`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: No, I thought I had to run sarge and XFree 4.x too.`
`01:53.02`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: well, you do not. you can have sarge and 3.x`
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`01:54.11`	`benjamindees`	`I'm not convinced 4.3 won't work fine...`
`01:54.18`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Well, ok... There's another issue. With 32M of RAM, I feel kinda queasy installing sarge, because it has newer packages and that want more RAM.`
`01:54.38`	`Mardus`	`* those`
`01:54.40`	`shingouz`	`benjamindees: with a S3Trio? will not work, been there and have the scars to prove it`
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`01:54.57`	`timo_`	`got it to work now :D thanks guys`
`01:55.09`	`Mardus`	`benjamindees: XFree86 4.1 does not support S3 cards, as far as I can remember.`
`01:55.34`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: a) get more ram or b) upgrade in anycase, nothing except the installer that is bigger`
`01:55.45`	`shingouz`	`it will not support S3`
`01:55.51`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: sarge has XF4.3.99`
`01:56.15`	`Mardus`	`!info mandrake`
`01:56.15`	`benjamindees`	`meh, I'm using an S3 savage just fine in 4.3.0`
`01:56.18`	`shingouz`	`abrotman, Mardus: xfree86 3.x is still there too. at least it seems to be on sid`
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`01:56.34`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: How to get dpkg to tell about mandrake?`
`01:56.36`	`shingouz`	`benjamindees: S3 Savage is a different thing`
`01:56.37`	`ArCePi`	`bye`
`01:56.48`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: did you upgrade all the way from woody?`
`01:56.49`	`abrotman`	`!mandrake`
`01:56.50`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, mandrake is the old name of mandriva`
`01:56.50`	`Mardus`	`benjamindees: I have S3 Trio`
`01:56.54`	`abrotman`	`!mandriva`
`01:56.54`	`dpkg`	`i guess mandriva is the new name (2005.04) of the merged Mandrake Linux and Connectiva Linux companies.`
`01:56.55`	`sussudio`	`S3 Savage :-P`
`01:57.35`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: It's on woody, too. Or as an apt package anyway. That's how I got it.`
`01:57.41`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: i think this one used to be a potato way back when but i have had the 3.x out of the system once or twice since. i do remember installing a sid with 3.x a couple of months ago on a laptop though`
`01:58.11`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: maybe it was slink, i am not sure when i installed this system. ages ago in anycase`
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`01:58.22`	`flash_muppet`	`I am trying to get gtoaster going and have to configure cdrecord .. I have gone to http://www.joreybump.com/code/howto/debian/cdr.html but have come across a problem where he is talking about lilo while I am using sarge which uses grub .. I am not sure where to look for the specs he is talking about so does anyone know of a howto for grub?`
`01:58.28`	`MasterChief`	`!info phpbb`
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`01:58.44`	`flash_muppet`	`and cdrecord`
`01:58.54`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: that would make sense ....`
`01:59.00`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: but i dont' see x3 in sarge`
`01:59.27`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: S3 or XFree86 3.x.?`
`01:59.32`	`abrotman`	`x3`
`01:59.35`	`abrotman`	`3.x`
`01:59.49`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: Mhmh.`
`01:59.54`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: you need to get the xserver-s3 iirc`
`02:00.28`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: not in sarge :)`
`02:00.39`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: it is there. and if it is not it doesnt matter. jsut put the xserver on hold and upgrade`
`02:01.06`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I have't done a dist-upgrade before.`
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`02:01.23`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: i am not going to fight over this and i am way too lazy to check if it is there :)`
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`02:01.35`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: should not be a big deal`
`02:01.35`	`benjamindees`	`shingouz, doesn't look like it's in sarge :(`
`02:01.37`	`abrotman`	`!info xserver-s3 sarge`
`02:01.44`	`abrotman`	`!win me`
`02:01.45`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!`
`02:01.59`	`benjamindees`	`http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/06/msg00163.html`
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`02:02.14`	`pekkele`	`hey what mean this: hlds_l_1120_.full.bin: error extracting payload, No such file or directory`
`02:02.16`	`shingouz`	`dammit... lemme see myself`
`02:02.31`	`abrotman`	`pekkele: what's in the .bin ?`
`02:02.50`	`pekkele`	`hlds_l_1120_full_tgz`
`02:02.58`	`abrotman`	`no shit .. what is it`
`02:03.07`	`pekkele`	`counter server :)`
`02:03.37`	`abrotman`	`sounds like a bum file`
`02:03.49`	`pekkele`	`abrotman hlds_l_1120_full_.tgz`
`02:04.15`	`pekkele`	`whats that`
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`02:04.39`	`abrotman`	`a zipped tar file`
`02:04.57`	`pekkele`	`yeah..`
`02:04.57`	`MacJ`	`libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 wich package should i install to stisfice this`
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`02:05.17`	`pekkele`	`abrotman: what can i do in this situation?`
`02:05.29`	`abrotman`	`!find libstdc++-libc6 sarge`
`02:05.35`	`abrotman`	`pekkele: download it again`
`02:05.44`	`pekkele`	`file?`
`02:05.45`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6' returned no results.`
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`02:05.57`	`abrotman`	`what ?`
`02:06.02`	`abrotman`	`!find libstdc++ sarge`
`02:06.03`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package Listing of 'libstdc++' (13): libstdc++2.10-dbg ;; libstdc++2.10-dev ;; libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ;; libstdc++5 ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dbg ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dev ;; libstdc++5-3.3-doc ;; libstdc++5-3.3-pic ;; libstdc++6 ;; libstdc++6-dbg ;; libstdc++6-dev ;; libstdc++6-doc ;; libstdc++6-pic.`
`02:06.09`	`pekkele`	`abrotman hlds_l_1120_full_.bin this??`
`02:06.19`	`abrotman`	`!find lib/libstdc++-libc6 sarge`
`02:06.30`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lib/libstdc++-libc6' returned no results.`
`02:06.31`	`abrotman`	`pekkele: i don't play counter strike .. i have no idea`
`02:06.42`	`shingouz`	`abrotman, benjamindees, Mardus: looks like i was wrong`
`02:06.59`	`pekkele`	`abrotman: ehy you dont play the best game in the world??`
`02:07.02`	`benjamindees`	`shingouz, I thought the same thing too; looked it up a while ago`
`02:07.09`	`abrotman`	`pekkele: you mean TA ?`
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`02:07.25`	`shingouz`	`in anycase, just grab the packages and install manually if needed, not a big deal`
`02:07.31`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: On S3? Which part of what you claimed was where you were wrong? I can't remember it, I'm currently reading the discussion linked from here on S3.`
`02:07.34`	`pekkele`	`abrotman why you dont play it :)`
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`02:07.45`	`abrotman`	`pekkele: because TA is the best game ever`
`02:07.52`	`zu22`	`hi`
`02:08.00`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: on 3.x being on any current debian. it seems it really is not there anymore`
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`02:08.20`	`abrotman`	`we have people bitching about xorg not being in sarge .. and Mardus wants X3 :)`
`02:08.50`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: I actually wanted an XF86 working with S3 back when I had to use the console.`
`02:08.53`	`zu22`	`abrotman: X11R3?`
`02:08.54`	`shingouz`	`this system is not the best one to do such searches on, i am not sure if i installed slink or potato on it, now it has been on sid for a few years without ever reinstalling`
`02:09.17`	`benjamindees`	`abrotman, at least Mardus has a valid reason :)`
`02:09.33`	`Mardus`	`zu22: We're talking about an X11R6 XFree86 3.3.6 and S3 video cards.`
`02:09.43`	`abrotman`	`zu22: no .. X3.3 :)`
`02:09.48`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: if the upgrade goes wrongish with the xserver, you can always just install the few files by hand there, the packages are available`
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`02:10.38`	`Mardus`	`zu22: Yea, well, not XFree 3.3.6 specifically.`
`02:10.55`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Well, it's just my first months actually using Linux.`
`02:10.56`	`benjamindees`	`supposedly there are DOS utilities you can use to enable VESA 2.0 mode on some S3 chips, then boot into Linux`
`02:11.02`	`zu22`	`abrotman: oh, i behind the times hehe`
`02:11.25`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: this is a laptop ?`
`02:11.36`	`Mardus`	`benjamindees: I don't know if I actually have DOS utilities for S3Trio.`
`02:11.40`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: No, a minitower.`
`02:11.56`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: just get a nice matrox for it and be done with it`
`02:12.09`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: buy a $5 ATI Rage card`
`02:12.35`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: that price is steep, man`
`02:12.41`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: An ATI card? I've read that ATI wasn't particularly nice with Linux drivers.`
`02:12.45`	`benjamindees`	`Mardus, something like this: http://www.caprice32.cybercube.com/files/s3vbe318.zip`
`02:12.58`	`benjamindees`	`Mardus, but I've never gotten them to work on mine`
`02:13.04`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: the older ATIs do work. i like matrox myself though`
`02:13.05`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: old ATI is great`
`02:13.30`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: pci only?`
`02:13.46`	`Mardus`	`shingouz, abrotman: Oh, er, I am quite cash-strapped after buying a new summer jacket to replace one that is 3,5 years old and looks quite rugged now.`
`02:13.54`	`abrotman`	`summer jacket ?`
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`02:14.31`	`zu22`	`what is a summer jacket?`
`02:14.33`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: I don't know if an old ATI video card is on sale anywhere.`
`02:14.41`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: PCI only.`
`02:14.46`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: i think i have to make a quick stop in estonia pretty soon, i could take an ati or matrox with me for you. prolly about three or four euros`
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`02:14.54`	`ugly`	`~listkeys wireless`
`02:14.54`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: even a Trident would be better :)`
`02:15.04`	`abrotman`	`zu22: you're in pittsburgh ?`
`02:15.16`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: A jacket for warm seasons.`
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`02:15.27`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: you far from tallinn?`
`02:15.30`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: Or coat, whatever it is in your language.`
`02:15.30`	`abrotman`	`zu22: it would be like the jacket you'd wear in april/may`
`02:15.34`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Me from Tallinn.`
`02:15.39`	`zu22`	`abrotman: yeah, how you know? :)`
`02:15.49`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: hehe.. not too far from the ships then ;)`
`02:15.53`	`abrotman`	`zu22: because you went to the Harrisburg linux thing`
`02:16.08`	`zu22`	`abrotman: oh, hehe i'm absent minded`
`02:16.11`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: A, dnainternet.fi`
`02:16.12`	`abrotman`	`zu22: remember ?`
`02:16.19`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: yup`
`02:16.25`	`abrotman`	`zu22: i think i had a wedding that weekend`
`02:16.28`	`zu22`	`abrotman: i purged my memory after the last core dump hehe :D`
`02:16.37`	`zu22`	`abrotman: ah right i recall that now`
`02:16.40`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I am still cash-strapped anyway.`
`02:17.09`	`zu22`	`abrotman: good memory`
`02:17.12`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: someone might take it as a trade`
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`02:17.37`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: PCI video cards aren't in high demand :)`
`02:17.38`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: it is not like i need a lot of money for such a card, i seem to have an uncanny ability to stumble into older hardware all the time. i guess i should have a couple of those pci atis even here on my desk right now`
`02:17.42`	`abrotman`	`er r.. shit`
`02:17.43`	`abrotman`	`!test`
`02:17.43`	`dpkg`	`No, abrotman, you're not online any more.`
`02:17.45`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`02:17.49`	`abrotman`	`stupid lag`
`02:17.54`	`zu22`	`abrotman: you got website?`
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`02:18.06`	`abrotman`	`zu22: yeah .. you told me it was broken(which i already knew)`
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`02:18.37`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: It's a good idea to trade, but it's not quite my computer, even if it was brought from the office and even if it's decommissioned since about 2001 or 2002.`
`02:18.51`	`benjamindees`	`Mardus, http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9807.3/0565.html`
`02:18.52`	`shingouz`	`elsa... 16M ati rage ...a dead G200 that would need a new firmware..., Mardus`
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`02:19.08`	`abrotman`	`a G200 would be awesome!`
`02:19.21`	`abrotman`	`matrox kicks butt`
`02:19.25`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: why do you think i need to get the firmware on it?`
`02:19.28`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: What's a G200?`
`02:19.33`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: firware ?`
`02:19.34`	`shingouz`	`matrox g200`
`02:19.56`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: firmware ?`
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`02:20.12`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: the g200 has a tendency to hose the firmware and it needs to be reflashed. i have the utils but i would need to build a dos-box to flash it and i am lazy`
`02:20.23`	`shingouz`	`!firmware`
`02:20.26`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: just get a freedos floppy`
`02:20.36`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: but i am lazy`
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`02:20.57`	`zu22`	`abrotman: ahh`
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`02:21.05`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: i think even freedos livecd`
`02:21.09`	`shingouz`	`i think i should have a few tridents laying around too`
`02:21.22`	`hackers`	`interesting`
`02:21.22`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: send him one :)`
`02:21.28`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: too much work, i jsut dig out the dos 5.0 isntalls`
`02:21.30`	`hackers`	`yall tried mldonkey in linux?`
`02:21.39`	`hackers`	`seems to be rather pimp ;p`
`02:21.41`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: you mean you don't have a spare 20MB drive laying around ? :)`
`02:21.43`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: better just remember to pocket one when i go to ee`
`02:22.02`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: i think i have. at least a couple of ESDI 30MB drives`
`02:22.06`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`02:22.06`	`wiegehts`	`i am using wireless for internet access, what is the file I have to edit to set essid name and wep key?`
`02:22.09`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Well, I don't know if I can give any �money in exchange today or tomorrow, because I was considering to buy a rebate battery for my Nokia3210.`
`02:22.14`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: want a pic of them?`
`02:22.15`	`abrotman`	`iwconfig`
`02:22.21`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: sounds dirty .. better not`
`02:22.29`	`quitte`	`wiegehts: etc/network/interfaces`
`02:22.33`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: i am not going to show up there tomorrow :)`
`02:22.40`	`abrotman`	`any of you use shutterfly for larger prints ?`
`02:22.43`	`wiegehts`	`quitte, thank you`
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`02:23.21`	`Nethox`	`wiegehts: you can use the same options of iwconfig like this: wireless_<option>`
`02:23.25`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: maybe about a coule of weeks from now, still a few things i need to sort out before i show my face in ee`
`02:23.45`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Well, I might in the future, but I've become very stingy recently and so I usually spend money on food and the kind of stuff that I need more than a video card.`
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`02:23.55`	`wiegehts`	`Nethox, thank you also`
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`02:24.13`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: i hear you, been there and have the scars to prove it. literally`
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`02:24.43`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: been there like cash-strapped?`
`02:25.03`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: i am the founder of the international poor-ass foundation ;)`
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`02:25.12`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: LOL`
`02:25.33`	`mrphreak`	`valdy@lainus:~$ uptime`
`02:25.33`	`mrphreak`	`Unknown HZ value! (86) Assume 100.`
`02:25.40`	`mrphreak`	`Linux lainus 2.6.11.11 #3 Mon May 30 01:29:10 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`02:25.41`	`mrphreak`	`why i have it ?.`
`02:26.31`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: about the video card, lets just put it this way: i have a project going on in ee at the moment and i may need a minor excuse to show up there. the nature of the project is secret ;) <but cute>`
`02:26.40`	`spacelobster`	`pingmeplease.com is no longer. Is there a site around that will ping me?`
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`02:27.15`	`shingouz`	`spacelobster: anyone of us could ping you`
`02:27.27`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Well, you can use that excuse of the video card trade, if you like.`
`02:27.27`	`abrotman`	`spacelobster: just find one tha twill scan your ports`
`02:27.35`	`abrotman`	`like .. what's that silly sheildsup site`
`02:27.38`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: :)`
`02:27.54`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I've recently begun looking for a job as a tech (plenty of experience with Windows and such pc's in general), but most require a driver's license.`
`02:28.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 748] by debhelper`
`02:28.09`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: that is usually the case`
`02:28.10`	`spacelobster`	`could someone pingeme at 69.137.198.153 ?`
`02:28.21`	`abrotman`	`spacelobster: !ping`
`02:28.23`	`abrotman`	`!ping`
`02:28.24`	`dpkg`	`pong`
`02:28.26`	`m-bot`	`!ops`
`02:28.26`	`dpkg`	`Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem`
`02:28.32`	`abrotman`	`m-bot: why ?`
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`02:28.34`	`dondelelcaro`	`m-bot: ?`
`02:28.44`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: how is the job situation there on the linux side of the fence?`
`02:28.49`	`sleestak`	`fping!`
`02:28.55`	`spacelobster`	`!ping`
`02:28.55`	`dpkg`	`pong`
`02:29.04`	`sleestak`	`shazaam!`
`02:29.06`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I don't know. But you can check http://www.hyppelaud.ee if you grok Estonian.`
`02:29.09`	`spacelobster`	`!ping spacelobster`
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`02:29.20`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: They have some English-language offerings too. Also check http://www.cv.ee`
`02:29.28`	`spacelobster`	`!ping 69.137.198.153`
`02:29.31`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: neat :)`
`02:29.42`	`mysurfguide`	`anybody wanna give me some feedback on my latest penguin?`
`02:29.47`	`mrphreak`	`???`
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`02:29.58`	`shingouz`	`spacelobster: i'll ping as soon as i can open another term`
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`02:30.30`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: hyppelaud.ee and cv.ee usually have some English-language classifieds and cv.ee aka CV-Online is more international.`
`02:30.35`	`sleestak`	`no ping response for me space!.`
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`02:30.43`	`spacelobster`	`could someone try to start a ssh session "ssh acya@69.137.198.153" and see if it starts?`
`02:30.50`	`shingouz`	`spacelobster: no response`
`02:30.58`	`mysurfguide`	`shingouz got a sec?`
`02:31.02`	`spacelobster`	`aaaaah no response :(`
`02:31.08`	`sleestak`	`it started`
`02:31.31`	`shingouz`	`mysurfguide: sec`
`02:31.43`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: When I told about those tech job prospects to my wealthy brother, he was interested as to how much getting a driver's license would cost. He thought 3000EEK, my mother later said 5000-6000 EEK.`
`02:32.03`	`mysurfguide`	`lol np`
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`02:32.36`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: i'll do the surfing later, thanks man`
`02:32.45`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Mhmh`
`02:32.46`	`shingouz`	`mysurfguide: yes, Master, you called?`
`02:32.51`	`mrphreak`	`I have problems with kernel 2.6.X branch, I use nvidia drivers from http://www.nvidia.com (lastest) , but I game a bit moment ( five mins approach) and my video card freeze.`
`02:33.02`	`mysurfguide`	`hehe`
`02:33.02`	`Mardus`	`Another question: I'm trying to help out a complete Linux n00b with Mandriva. Anyone know their IRC chat and server?`
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`02:33.21`	`mysurfguide`	`wanna check out and give me some feedback on my latest pingo?`
`02:33.29`	`gravity`	`abrotman: pong`
`02:33.29`	`m-bot`	`!ping mardus`
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`02:33.40`	`shingouz`	`mysurfguide: huh?`
`02:33.44`	`abrotman`	`gravity: you missed my gripe about security issues in the sarge to be released`
`02:33.48`	`mysurfguide`	`I made a penguin :)`
`02:33.49`	`mysurfguide`	`http://uploader.ispiked.us/files/mainstream_logo_300x133.png`
`02:33.50`	`mrphreak`	`Unknown HZ value! (92) Assume 100 <-- also i have this message in tty when get uptime.`
`02:33.50`	`Mardus`	`m-bot: I suggested she have Mandriva because it's most localised in Estonian.`
`02:33.51`	`gravity`	`abrotman: What's wrong?`
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`02:34.08`	`abrotman`	`gravity: nothing really .. just a lot of security issues when sarge releases`
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`02:34.12`	`abrotman`	`!sarge security issues`
`02:34.12`	`dpkg`	`somebody said testing security issues was http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html`
`02:34.13`	`m-bot`	`mardus: wtf are you talking about?`
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`02:34.19`	`abrotman`	`gravity: stuff i thought would be fixed before release`
`02:34.25`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: just install debian onthe thing`
`02:34.38`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: She lives in Tartu. I can't afford to travel.`
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`02:34.56`	`sleestak`	`if i use ssh -l user x.x.x.x, it works for a regular user, but fails for root. is there a setting in sshd_config to allow root logins over ssh?`
`02:35.01`	`shingouz`	`mysurfguide: otherwise ok but where is the redeye? :)`
`02:35.11`	`mysurfguide`	`no redeye :(`
`02:35.12`	`Mardus`	`m-bot: Why did you tell dpkg to toll a 5-metre bell over my head? I mean, what's the reason for that?`
`02:35.13`	`m-bot`	`mandriva sounds so much like mangina`
`02:35.32`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: that is exactly why. you get it installed and ssh into the box to do remote admin on it`
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`02:35.36`	`m-bot`	`to test the ping command`
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`02:35.51`	`Nethox`	`sleestak: PermitRootLogin yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config`
`02:35.53`	`m-bot`	`!prize Mardus`
`02:36.03`	`Mardus`	`m-bot: Well, thanks.`
`02:36.03`	`mysurfguide`	`its one my first shingouz :)`
`02:36.08`	`mysurfguide`	`of*`
`02:36.09`	`shingouz`	`mysurfguide: there should be. broken blood vessels you know, just like your local sysadmin looks like on friday :p`
`02:36.11`	`sleestak`	`nethox: thanks!`
`02:36.15`	`m-bot`	`Mardus: You're welcome.`
`02:36.16`	`mysurfguide`	`hehe`
`02:36.23`	`mysurfguide`	`naw hes gotta look friendly`
`02:36.25`	`mysurfguide`	`yet strong`
`02:36.26`	`mysurfguide`	`:)`
`02:36.29`	`shingouz`	`seriously speaking, it looks good, mysurfguide`
`02:36.34`	`mysurfguide`	`ty man`
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`02:36.54`	`m-bot`	`!prize his ass`
`02:36.59`	`m-bot`	`LOL`
`02:37.01`	`mysurfguide`	`making them muscles was pain`
`02:37.15`	`shingouz`	`but does tux need a sixpack`
`02:37.32`	`mysurfguide`	`:) I know, I had to make it from a real pic of one`
`02:37.32`	`Mardus`	`shignouz: I don't have SSH myself and I don't know yet how to use it. I conviced she have Mandriva for the sake of the Estonian language (as there's reportedly more of it than in any Debian), and she was not sure if she could have Linux. So someone in Tartu installed her Mandriva and made the computer a dual-boot option.`
`02:37.33`	`mysurfguide`	`hehe`
`02:37.39`	`m-bot`	`!policy`
`02:37.39`	`dpkg`	`somebody said policy was available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices`
`02:37.45`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Those are apparently targets for a sarge point release update`
`02:38.10`	`abrotman`	`gravity: still .. releasing with security issues .. i expect the security team will fix them .. but i just thought it was odd to release with them`
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`02:38.21`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: More Estonian in Mandriva than in any other distro, too.`
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`02:38.31`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: of course you have ssh. she has it too. you just need to configure the firewall to forward the ports if she is really behind a NAT. not a big deal`
`02:39.06`	`m-bot`	`doo dooo doo do do doooo`
`02:39.37`	`shingouz`	`....smoke...i need a smoke....brb`
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`02:39.44`	`m-bot`	`lol`
`02:39.49`	`m-bot`	`shingouz: thats a bad habit`
`02:40.01`	`shingouz`	`m-bot: do i look like i care what you think?`
`02:40.05`	`shingouz`	`smoke break`
`02:40.07`	`m-bot`	`lol`
`02:40.08`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: She uses ADSL, I have dhcp. And she has a relatively new laptop (which worked very fine with Knoppix, for that matter). She just could get X working, which I faulted for a config error. To fix anything, she'd have to get out of Windows, and then boot to Linux.`
`02:40.13`	`m-bot`	`!tell xinux about lol`
`02:40.18`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: so? been done before`
`02:40.21`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I mean, she couldn't get X working at all.`
`02:40.25`	`m-bot`	`!tell xinux lol`
`02:40.47`	`shingouz`	`!lart m-bot`
`02:40.51`	`shingouz`	`woo`
`02:40.56`	`mysurfguide`	`lol`
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`02:41.21`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: And then she didn't understand why the console login (of which she wasn't quite aware of) didn't show password asterisks :) And when she finally logged in, she thought she wasn't 'in', because X wasn't working.`
`02:41.39`	`m-bot`	`!slap Xinux`
`02:41.41`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: hehehe..... she'll learn ;)`
`02:41.52`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Yea.`
`02:42.07`	`shingouz`	`m-bot: stop that. go play in mepis for all i care`
`02:42.14`	`mysurfguide`	`lol`
`02:42.19`	`m-bot`	`?`
`02:42.19`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: And I haven't told her yet how to shut down the computer in console.`
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`02:43.36`	`m-bot`	`lol`
`02:43.50`	`mysurfguide`	`on a 233mhz :( it takes a while`
`02:43.51`	`mysurfguide`	`lol`
`02:43.53`	`m-bot`	`!prize mysurfguide`
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`02:44.00`	`mysurfguide`	`:)ty`
`02:44.02`	`deadcat`	`!moron mysurfguide`
`02:44.02`	`dpkg`	`mysurfguide: You are moron #22`
`02:44.06`	`m-bot`	`!moron me`
`02:44.08`	`dpkg`	`m-bot: You are moron #19`
`02:44.13`	`m-bot`	`lol`
`02:44.16`	`mysurfguide`	`!moron deadcat`
`02:44.16`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`02:44.17`	`dpkg`	`deadcat: You are moron #88`
`02:44.17`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939`
`02:44.33`	`mousex`	`this question isn't related to debian, but I'm running debina, so . . .: how can I make the telnet program read instructions from a file? I'm trying to brute-force a password in a router that asks for a password (max lenght 20 chars) forever. cat pass_file.txt \| telnet ip.ip.ip.ip didn't work.`
`02:44.37`	`mysurfguide`	`brb`
`02:44.41`	`deadcat`	`dpkg: no, i am 47`
`02:44.48`	`cafuego`	`!i`
`02:44.48`	`dpkg`	`i heard i is the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code`
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`02:45.01`	`m-bot`	`!tell mousex about debian-based`
`02:45.05`	`Mardus`	`General question about X: On such hardware like Pentium-120Mhz, 32M RAM, 2G HDD -- what are the comparing arguments regarding the speed of XFree86 3.3.6 (which I have right now) and XFree 4.3?`
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`02:45.27`	`mousex`	`m-bot, ok, what channel is more appropriate for this question?`
`02:45.53`	`mysurfguide`	`that going to be slow mardus`
`02:46.04`	`mysurfguide`	`I ran gnome on a 64mb ram with 200mhz and very slow`
`02:46.04`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: 3.3.6 will eat far less ram.`
`02:46.20`	`cafuego`	`mysurfguide: Your problem is that you ran gnome. not X.`
`02:46.30`	`mysurfguide`	`I ran x as well cafuego :)`
`02:46.37`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: Provided you run a light wm like fvwm or openbox, it'll be fine.`
`02:46.40`	`jpeg`	`mousex: look into expect or bash.`
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`02:46.54`	`cafuego`	`mysurfguide: What sort of hardware do you think people like my used to run X on in 1997?`
`02:47.15`	`mysurfguide`	`same as now probably on machines like mine`
`02:47.16`	`mousex`	`jpeg: why bash?`
`02:47.24`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: I tried fvwm95 and fvwm2 anyway, but those seemed very much slower than twm.`
`02:47.40`	`jpeg`	`mousex: you need a scripting language.`
`02:47.45`	`MasterChief`	`Hey, what port do I use for my mouse when configuring xserver? I have a track ball mouse`
`02:47.46`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: Yes,, twm will probably be the fastest.`
`02:47.47`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: Especially with other applications running.`
`02:47.55`	`mousex`	`jpeg, oh, thanks`
`02:48.18`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: Netscape 4.x will probably be quicker then firefox as well. Mayve try 'opera'.`
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`02:48.20`	`m-bot`	`!twm`
`02:48.20`	`dpkg`	`from memory, twm is a very basic window manager for X.`
`02:48.27`	`m-bot`	`ahhh`
`02:48.42`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: How much swap mspace does the box have?`
`02:48.51`	`MasterChief`	`Can anyone help`
`02:48.54`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: So you suggest XFree 3.3.6 is faster than XFree 4.3 on that hardware? I use Netscape 4.x for some login sites and much in general, Opera 5.05 for other login sites and css sites.`
`02:49.05`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: I remember around 120Mb swap space.`
`02:49.25`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: I think XF3.3.6 will be a better choice yes, as it should use less ram than xf 4.x`
`02:49.40`	`MasterChief`	`Comeone, someone!`
`02:49.53`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: Ok. But I guess then there is no need to upgrade to sarge, that uses XFree 4.3, is it?`
`02:49.59`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice`
`02:50.04`	`cafuego`	`MasterChief: even`
`02:50.28`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: No. I'd probably even stay with a 2.2 kernel, which needs less ram than a 2.4 one.`
`02:50.28`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: What /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice ? I don't have mouse problems.`
`02:50.40`	`shingouz`	`ah`
`02:50.41`	`abrotman`	`gravity: just do them both!`
`02:50.55`	`gravity`	`Yeah, just what I need. More work.`
`02:51.09`	`abrotman`	`gravity: you sound like my boss :)`
`02:51.17`	`cafuego`	`gravity: Throw 'em both out and use 9wm as default.`
`02:51.29`	`gravity`	`heh`
`02:51.37`	`ricochet`	`Need sound help: what does this mean? Setting up ALSA...done (not loaded). Background: I had sound working (2.6), but wanted my AS1985 AC97 optical digital out to work, so I downloaded the driver intel has, and ran it and then saw it was installing alsa...which I did not want it to do. what should I do to get sound again?`
`02:51.37`	`Mardus`	`cafuego, shingouz: I think I have a 2.4 one instead of 2.2 for the sake of stability. I used to try to run SOT's BestLinux 2000r2 on that machine and that one was throwing sig9 and sig11 very often.`
`02:51.40`	`abrotman`	`who the hell needs a window manager`
`02:51.42`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: the hardware you have there is very capable of running X too, just stay off all the gnome and kde shit`
`02:51.45`	`cafuego`	`twm has far too much eyecandy and bloat`
`02:51.53`	`gravity`	`Ha!`
`02:52.00`	`m-bot`	`loool`
`02:52.03`	`m-bot`	`eyecandy is awesome`
`02:52.07`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I use twm all the time. I tried fvwm95 and fvwm2, but those make things slow.`
`02:52.13`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: 2.4 kernels aren't inherently more stable than 2.2 ones. My most stable box in fact runs 2.0.40`
`02:52.16`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: i have 2.6.9- upwards on P1's`
`02:52.22`	`trave11er`	`ion3 rules the world`
`02:52.27`	`abrotman`	`cafuego: isn't there a 2.0.41 now ?`
`02:52.33`	`cafuego`	`abrotman: let me check`
`02:52.33`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: You probably don't have X running on these.`
`02:52.37`	`abrotman`	`cafuego: nope`
`02:52.45`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: oh yes i have`
`02:52.56`	`gravity`	`trave11er: Yeah, I was thinking about ion`
`02:53.05`	`cafuego`	`Linux monolith 2.0.40 #79 Fri Mar 5 01:23:52 CET 2004 i586 / 79days`
`02:53.12`	`Nigel`	`what package should a report website error on "ftpmaster.debian.org" - send it to www.debian.org or the ftp.debian.org package?`
`02:53.15`	`gravity`	`Realistically, I'm not replacing twm or anything, but it's a fun thought :-)`
`02:53.50`	`Mardus`	`shingouz, cafuego: Oh, that is interesting. I am running X from that hardware anyway, in fact using XChat (I sometimes choose epic4 from the twm menu). twm does not have much eyecandy or bloat.`
`02:53.57`	`cafuego`	`gravity: Actually, why not remove twm and link it to /bin/false instead.`
`02:53.59`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: My sisters and I need a window manager.`
`02:54.06`	`abrotman`	`blackbox!`
`02:54.17`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: I think you were joking about twm.`
`02:54.20`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: Xchat is bloat though.`
`02:54.25`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: infact this is a dual P1-133 with 200+ of ram i am on right now (like most of the nights). with Xfce3 on a 16M matrox`
`02:54.47`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: no, 9wm is smaller than twm. it doesn't even have an applications menu.`
`02:54.56`	`gravity`	`pwm is the smallest I think`
`02:54.57`	`shingouz`	`olvwm`
`02:55.05`	`mysurfguide`	`bbl guys gotta compile php now`
`02:55.10`	`cafuego`	`!info pwm`
`02:55.12`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: twm is fine with me.`
`02:55.13`	`cafuego`	`!info 9wm`
`02:55.15`	`dpkg`	`9wm: (emulation of the Plan 9 window manager 8-1/2), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2-6 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 64 kB`
`02:55.17`	`dpkg`	`pwm: (Lightweight window manager with frames), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.20010309-12 (sid), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 348 kB`
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`02:55.25`	`gravity`	`Wow. I stand corrected.`
`02:55.25`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: Or I am fine with that.`
`02:55.28`	`cafuego`	`pwm is fucking BLOATED`
`02:55.33`	`ricochet`	`no one to help me?`
`02:55.38`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: do you have empty slots for ram there?`
`02:55.43`	`cafuego`	`Mind you, that's probably mainly docs.`
`02:55.43`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: Xchat works fine.`
`02:55.53`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: i do not even know what your problem is`
`02:55.54`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: I just have the apt version, not the latest.`
`02:56.02`	`gravity`	`ricochet: I have no experience with that, sorry`
`02:56.03`	`cafuego`	`Mardus: Yes, but a massive X interface just for irc is overkill, when you're trying to save ram ;-)`
`02:56.18`	`ugly`	`where or how can I find out how many packages sarge currently has total?`
`02:56.27`	`zOap`	`shingouz, aah, I remember the old p133, it was a monster compared to my brothers 486-66. Myself I'm on a Compaq Armada 7400 pII 350 Mhz, 184Mb Ram, debian sarge and ion3`
`02:56.29`	`abrotman`	`!info blackbox`
`02:56.29`	`gravity`	`dpkg -l \| wc -l`
`02:56.31`	`dpkg`	`No packages found matching`
`02:56.31`	`dpkg`	`blackbox: (Window manager for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.70.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 334 kB, Installed size: 992 kB`
`02:56.32`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: No empty slots, AFAIK.`
`02:56.32`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, scroll up?`
`02:56.34`	`abrotman`	`eegads!`
`02:56.40`	`abrotman`	`!info gnome`
`02:56.43`	`dpkg`	`gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 65 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB`
`02:56.46`	`abrotman`	`!gnome wins`
`02:56.49`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: maybe if i get the inspiration`
`02:56.50`	`gravity`	`ugly: Sorry. That was for you. dpkg -l \| wc -l`
`02:56.55`	`m-bot`	`!gnome sucks`
`02:56.57`	`Mardus`	`cafuego: I don't have much anything else working and I have enough swap space.`
`02:57.03`	`gravity`	`ugly: If you're running sarge, that is`
`02:57.05`	`ugly`	`gravity: that only tells you the total that are installed doesn't it?`
`02:57.06`	`cafuego`	`gravity: That doesn't do what he wants.`
`02:57.11`	`m-bot`	`!start de war`
`02:57.14`	`cafuego`	`!pkginfo sarge`
`02:57.25`	`ugly`	`gravity: I want to know the total - both installed and not installed`
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`02:57.47`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, intel's script install alsa over mine, and mine doesnt work anymore.`
`02:57.58`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: 8M sticks are a dime a dozen, 16M is a bit pricier at the moment, i could check what i have when i google through my piles for the video`
`02:58.18`	`gravity`	`hrm... maybe something with apt-cache then`
`02:58.26`	`cafuego`	`ugly: I think there's about 15,000 packages.`
`02:58.39`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I remember there are 4 RAM slots and all are filled and total is 32M RAM.`
`02:58.42`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: i think your best bet would be to just intstall alsa`
`02:58.46`	`gravity`	`ugly: apt-cache stats`
`02:58.55`	`abrotman`	`!dstats sarge`
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`02:59.02`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: 8M in that case. maybe i can locate some 16M sticks somewhere`
`02:59.02`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15680 packages, 1471 maintainers, 28321 MB installed size, 8915 MB compressed size.`
`02:59.03`	`abrotman`	`there you go .. that's how many sarge has ..`
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`02:59.09`	`cafuego`	`Normal Packages: 15524`
`02:59.13`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, I did. and purged it again, and installed it again.`
`02:59.21`	`gravity`	`1471 maintainers!?!`
`02:59.23`	`abrotman`	`for comparison ...`
`02:59.25`	`gravity`	`No way`
`02:59.27`	`abrotman`	`!dstats potato`
`02:59.31`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on potato... 4305 packages, 541 maintainers, 5097 MB installed size, 1799 MB compressed size.`
`02:59.38`	`abrotman`	`that's so sick :)`
`02:59.39`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: you didnt happen to run alsaconf, did you`
`02:59.43`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: It maybe more like 8 slots and 4Mb, but I haven't looked into the box lately.`
`02:59.48`	`shingouz`	`!dstats slink`
`02:59.49`	`ugly`	`gravity: thanks`
`02:59.50`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on slink... 2664 packages, 365 maintainers, 2885 MB installed size, 1124 MB compressed size.`
`02:59.51`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, I did, why`
`02:59.52`	`abrotman`	`5 years .. and 11000 packages added later :)`
`02:59.54`	`cafuego`	`!dstats woody`
`02:59.58`	`abrotman`	`!dstats bo`
`03:00.00`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on bo... 1126 packages, 183 maintainers, 924 MB installed size, 399 MB compressed size.`
`03:00.04`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`03:00.09`	`Xinux`	`!prize me`
`03:00.13`	`monsoon`	`i installed deb on its own drive after having installed xp on another drive on its own ide controller, debian saw it find and added it to grub menu.lst but when selecting it at boot it just takes me too a grub command line prompt`
`03:00.14`	`cafuego`	`doubled every release`
`03:00.16`	`Xinux`	`!twm`
`03:00.20`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: any errors when you ran alsaconf?`
`03:00.21`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, all it says is no PnP or PCI cards found`
`03:00.21`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8969 packages, 986 maintainers, 13426 MB installed size, 4303 MB compressed size.`
`03:00.22`	`abrotman`	`!dstats woody`
`03:00.26`	`abrotman`	`ah .. finally`
`03:00.28`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8969 packages, 986 maintainers, 13426 MB installed size, 4303 MB compressed size.`
`03:00.29`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: sorry`
`03:00.29`	`dpkg`	`Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again...`
`03:00.34`	`cafuego`	`abrotman: updating debian files...`
`03:00.36`	`toresbe`	`hahahaha`
`03:00.41`	`abrotman`	`cafuego: i didn't get that`
`03:00.45`	`shingouz`	`Xinux: unless you have something constructive to say, please play with the bots in msg`
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`03:00.49`	`cafuego`	`abrotman: No, I did.`
`03:00.49`	`abrotman`	`obviously :)`
`03:00.53`	`Xinux`	`tried`
`03:00.53`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, oh, and modinfo: could not find module snd`
`03:00.54`	`Xinux`	`it ignores me`
`03:00.58`	`ethics`	`!tell monsoon about multiboot
`03:00.59`	`prehensiler`	`ubuntu is being weird`
`03:01.06`	`cafuego`	`prehensiler: /join #ubuntu`
`03:01.15`	`prehensiler`	`ah`
`03:01.19`	`monsoon`	`ethics, nothing...`
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`03:01.23`	`shingouz`	`Xinux: wonder why... dont play with them in the channel in anycase, it is really annoying`
`03:01.35`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: what kernel you have?`
`03:01.36`	`ethics`	`monsoon: hmm strange it was there yesterday...`
`03:01.43`	`Xinux`	`cuz its ignoring me`
`03:01.44`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, 2.6.8`
`03:01.44`	`Xinux`	`duh`
`03:01.49`	`abrotman`	`!tell monsoon about multiboot`
`03:01.54`	`Xinux`	`!ignore Xinux`
`03:01.55`	`monsoon`	`ah that worked`
`03:01.57`	`Xinux`	`is wat somebody did`
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`03:01.59`	`abrotman`	ethics: don't put a ` on the front
`03:02.04`	`ethics`	`monsoon: with grub to run xp on the second drive you need to use map commands`
`03:02.06`	`Xinux`	`!unignore Xinux`
`03:02.07`	`shingouz`	`Xinux: then dont play with the bots at all`
`03:02.16`	`ethics`	`!tell monsoon about multiboot`
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`03:02.20`	`shingouz`	`(someone slap a +q on him)`
`03:02.24`	`abrotman`	`ethics: i already did that`
`03:02.25`	`ethics`	`ahh`
`03:02.27`	`monsoon`	`;) that worked ttoo`
`03:02.31`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: on who ?`
`03:02.31`	`zOap`	`shingouz, just give it up, he's been like this all night...`
`03:02.34`	`monsoon`	`oh great thank you`
`03:02.43`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: our resident mepis user`
`03:02.47`	`ethics`	`hehe kk well thats the grub lines for xp on second hddd`
`03:02.50`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: we have one ?`
`03:02.52`	`bdlug66`	`hello`
`03:02.58`	`bdlug66`	`i am using sarge Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!`
`03:03.00`	`abrotman`	`who the hell would use Mepis ?`
`03:03.05`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: what module did it want to install?`
`03:03.09`	`bdlug66`	`? should i install to solve`
`03:03.13`	`abrotman`	`bdlug66: you need -dev packages`
`03:03.24`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: yes we do. the one i jsut flamed about the botabuse`
`03:03.42`	`zOap`	`!troll xinux`
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`03:03.49`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: i guess as long as he doesn't answer other questions incorrectly .. who cares :)`
`03:03.56`	`bdlug66`	`but the kdevelop3-dev or qt3-dev-tools thanx`
`03:03.58`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, intel8x0`
`03:04.01`	`Xinux`	`!tell z0ap about stfu`
`03:04.08`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: true. and stops fscking with the bots like that`
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`03:04.30`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: don can have him ignore him`
`03:04.38`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: snd-intel8x0 is the one it should install. try modprobing it`
`03:04.58`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: dpkg wouldn't listen to fieldy for months`
`03:05.12`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: really? wow`
`03:05.17`	`Xinux`	`abrotman: who the hell would use Mepis ?`
`03:05.18`	`zOap`	`Xinux, why don't you move to #trolls, they will be more than happy to have you. Please do, and tell them we said hi`
`03:05.18`	`Mardus`	`shingouz, abrotman: With regards to using the 2.2 kernel instead of 2.4, I had that SOT BestLinux 2000 (which used a 2.2 kernel) and that distro gave me sig9 and sig11 often, when I used it on the same hardware that I use right now. That is why I am not sure about using the 2.2 kernel. Also, I installed the current debian using bf24, as far as I can recall that...`
`03:05.20`	`Xinux`	`lots of people did`
`03:05.26`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: fieldy was like .. every third line was the bot :)`
`03:05.31`	`ricochet`	`shingouz: # modprobe intel8x0`
`03:05.31`	`ricochet`	`FATAL: Module intel8x0 not found. # modprobe snd-intel8x0`
`03:05.32`	`ricochet`	`FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found.`
`03:05.32`	`ricochet`	`FATAL: Error running install command for snd_intel8x0`
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`03:05.37`	`shingouz`	`hehehe`
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`03:06.05`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: nothign in the topic about flood/paste ?`
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`03:06.16`	`Nigel`	`ummm is this me, or is something messing up: Get:1 http://ftp.nz.debian.org testing/main linux-kernel-headers 2.5.999-test7-bk-17 [1377kB]`
`03:06.27`	`Xinux`	`abrotman: one more time, this time your computer`
`03:06.29`	`ricochet`	`yeah, didnt expect it all to paste`
`03:06.29`	`abrotman`	`yeah .. new zealand is messed`
`03:06.34`	`ethics`	`isnt it a -- not a _`
`03:06.35`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: wtf are you talking about ?`
`03:06.42`	`Xinux`	`* abrotman (~abrotman@pcp01413775pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net) has left #debian ("Client exiting")`
`03:06.54`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: what the fuck are you talking about ?`
`03:06.58`	`deadcat`	`abrotman: hes a moron`
`03:07.02`	`abrotman`	`apparently`
`03:07.03`	`Xinux`	`lol wtf`
`03:07.03`	`yarddog`	`running apt-get update/upgrade tonight with 45 mb of updates? that much?`
`03:07.03`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: 2.6'es on P1's here, i havent done the 2.6 on any 486 yet but i think i will have to do that one of these days. once i get my lazy ass outta the chair to hack an ancient Compaq Contura Aero into working condition again, that is`
`03:07.03`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: nz has Kiri Te Kanawa and their outspoken woman Prime Minister.`
`03:07.09`	`Nigel`	`abrotman: was that a reference to "the NZ Mirror is offically messed up"?`
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`03:07.15`	`Xinux`	`you the moron not knowing wat i was talking about`
`03:07.17`	`abrotman`	`Nigel: no ..`
`03:07.22`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, did you get my paste?`
`03:07.23`	`abrotman`	`i the moron ?`
`03:07.25`	`Nigel`	`Mardus: Helen is cool`
`03:07.29`	`Nigel`	`abrotman: oh ok then`
`03:07.40`	`abrotman`	`i a moron .. thank u .. u so intelgent`
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`03:07.50`	`Xinux`	`your*`
`03:07.55`	`Xinux`	`was just a typo`
`03:07.56`	`Nigel`	`!u abrotman`
`03:07.56`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?"`
`03:07.57`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: you're a freaking idiot ..`
`03:08.00`	`Mardus`	`Nigel: I remember I listened to her interview that was on the BBC.`
`03:08.01`	`monsoon`	`ethics, so this is all on one line under the xp grub entry? map (hd0) (hd1)<cr>map (hd1) (hd0) <cr>root (hd1,0)<cr> rootnoverify (hd1,0)<cr>makeactive<cr>chainloader +1 (i take it without the <cr> 's )`
`03:08.09`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: yes i did. i have no idea where the hell the module is, it should be there. unless the intel "drivers" fucked it up something serious`
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`03:08.20`	`Nigel`	`hmmm, odd, i thought there was a !u command`
`03:08.21`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: whatever joke you were trying to make .. failed horribly ..`
`03:08.25`	`Mardus`	`Nigel: ...BBC World Service`
`03:08.25`	`Xinux`	`abrotman: go use SuSe you fuckin baby`
`03:08.32`	`abrotman`	`what the hell ?`
`03:08.34`	`Mardus`	`Nigel: ...Radio`
`03:08.37`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: are you really that stupid ?`
`03:08.40`	`clc`	`<-- is a baby`
`03:08.43`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, how do I just go delete all things alsa, so I can apt-get install it again?`
`03:08.45`	`ethics`	`monsoon, <cr> is new lines..`
`03:08.54`	`clc`	`so my mouse dont work with debian for whatever reason .. after a minute or so, it locks X`
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`03:08.59`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: uname -a`
`03:09.02`	`Xinux`	`abrotman: delete the usr folder too.`
`03:09.03`	`zOap`	`Xinux, talking about babies....`
`03:09.04`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: remove --purge alsa-base`
`03:09.13`	`deadcat`	`Xinux: directory you fuck`
`03:09.13`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: just shut the hell up .. stop talking to me`
`03:09.14`	`monsoon`	`ethics, oh ok, but otherwise just add it to what, the last line of the xp entry in menu.lst?`
`03:09.15`	`gravity`	`Xinux: Stop please. Just use /ignore`
`03:09.27`	`Mardus`	`ricochet: --purge removes config files, too, if these happen to be faulty.`
`03:09.44`	`Nigel`	`well why on earth is apt-get downloading "linux-kernel-headers 2.5.999-test7-bk-17"`
`03:09.47`	`ethics`	`monsoon yrah under title line those go thats your entry 8)`
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`03:10.00`	`Nigel`	`i didn't even know there was a 2.5.999 kernel`
`03:10.03`	`zOap`	`isnt there any op's in here who can ban this mf?`
`03:10.07`	`monsoon`	`ok thx`
`03:10.10`	`Mardus`	`ricochet: I mean, --purge does remove config files, regardless if they are fualty or not. Just that if you have faulty congif files, then I'd think dpkg-reconfigure or such would do the job...`
`03:10.18`	`Mardus`	`* faulty`
`03:10.21`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, yeah, I mean the files intel's script might have overwritten mine with.. or something..?`
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`03:10.25`	`Mardus`	`* config`
`03:10.27`	`ricochet`	`Mardus, yeah, I got it`
`03:10.28`	`Xinux`	`z0ap: i didn't even say shit about you...`
`03:10.41`	`zOap`	`Xinux, it doesnt matter, it affects us all`
`03:10.44`	`deadcat`	`Xinux: doesnt matter. you are being an asshole`
`03:10.48`	`gravity`	`Xinux: Please calm down. Just use /ignore or walk away for a while.`
`03:10.50`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: something like that. installing "drivers" from a non-debian source is not a good idea most of the time`
`03:10.58`	`Mardus`	`Xinux: But you did say about abrotman.`
`03:11.03`	`deadcat`	`gravity: he does this for the pass few days now`
`03:11.16`	`shingouz`	`stop feeding the troll already :)`
`03:11.21`	`zOap`	`yeah`
`03:11.27`	`Mardus`	`mhmh`
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`03:11.34`	`gravity`	`deadcat: Meh... everyone's feeding him pretty badly. I just want things to calm down.`
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`03:11.47`	`shingouz`	`pity this channel is too big for a proper trollfest ;)`
`03:11.49`	`abrotman`	`gravity: did i tell you XSF sucks today? :)`
`03:11.51`	`deadcat`	`gravity: i want to see some ban'ing (=`
`03:11.53`	`zOap`	`lol, we all are come to think of it:)`
`03:11.57`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Why yes you did :-)`
`03:12.07`	`abrotman`	`and i still didn't fix my mouse .. oh well`
`03:12.16`	`gravity`	`abrotman: And fieldys sent a mail to the -x list baiting me for it`
`03:12.35`	`abrotman`	`gravity: huh ?`
`03:12.38`	`abrotman`	`gravity: url ?`
`03:12.38`	`gravity`	`abrotman: I don't know much about the custom cursor stuff`
`03:12.49`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Just check the list archives for -x from this month. You'll see it.`
`03:12.54`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i know .. i remember it being a pain`
`03:13.02`	`Xinux`	`Stop.`
`03:13.17`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, so now just reinstall alsa*`
`03:13.21`	`Nigel`	`Start.`
`03:13.28`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: yes i thinkso`
`03:13.32`	`Xinux`	`Rewind.`
`03:13.37`	`Gnea`	`does anyone remember tkined/scotty? It seems to be abandoneware these days, and I'm having problems locating something that's as good, perhaps better`
`03:13.37`	`zOap`	`ohmg`
`03:13.45`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i'm sorry ..`
`03:13.48`	`gravity`	`abrotman: I haven't ever considered it something worth playing with. About all I know is where the cursor files are kept in the packaging`
`03:13.49`	`Gnea`	`reload.`
`03:13.56`	`gravity`	`abrotman: No worries`
`03:13.57`	`deadcat`	`zOap: i think that moron and Nigel are a team.`
`03:14.00`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i hope you didn't get in trouble`
`03:14.03`	`Xinux`	`Eject.`
`03:14.03`	`gravity`	`It's not your fault. I overreacted anyway`
`03:14.04`	`gravity`	`Nah :-)`
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`03:14.05`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, yeah, /etc/init.d/alsa start still says Setting up ALSA..done (not loaded)`
`03:14.14`	`zOap`	`deadcat, and Gnea it seems,.... sigh`
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`03:14.20`	`Weems`	`If I am running Sarge How can I install XOrg`
`03:14.21`	`Nethox`	`Is there any way to make aptitude purge all the packages, including the marked-as-auto, when using aptitude purge package? It just purge the manually especified, the marked-as-auto not needed are just removed`
`03:14.22`	`deadcat`	`zOap: ya.`
`03:14.29`	`Weems`	`its not in the repository`
`03:14.31`	`deadcat`	`Weems: wait few months`
`03:14.32`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: lspci and see if that can see the damn card`
`03:14.32`	`Gnea`	`zOap: what's that?`
`03:14.33`	`gravity`	`abrotman: It gets frustrating spending the first beautiful day of summer inside working on Debian and then getting criticizeed for it`
`03:14.34`	`Mardus`	`deadcat: I would have said start or something similar, too, once Xinux said "Stop."`
`03:14.36`	`Ugly_Duck`	`checking for KDE... configure: error:`
`03:14.36`	`Ugly_Duck`	`in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed`
`03:14.40`	`gravity`	`Weems: It should be there soon. It's being worked on.`
`03:14.41`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i'm not sure that's fieldy though`
`03:14.44`	`deadcat`	`Mardus: shutup`
`03:14.50`	`zOap`	`Gnea, I'm not feeding you`
`03:14.51`	`Gnea`	`zOap: put down the crackpipe, back slowly away.`
`03:14.52`	`Weems`	`deadcat: where then can I find the development files for x11`
`03:14.54`	`Ugly_Duck`	`i apt-cache searched kde headers.. and only one for games came up?`
`03:15.02`	`abrotman`	`gravity: though .. honestly i don't know`
`03:15.41`	`deadcat`	`!tell Weems about xorg`
`03:15.41`	`gravity`	`abrotman: I don't really care. If they want to continue it with me, they can ping me privately`
`03:15.41`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: if you have oss there still it will certainly not work in anycase. modprobe -r all oss modules the hell out of the kernel and make sure you do not have anything that actuyally installs them at next boot`
`03:15.41`	`Gnea`	`zOap: know anything about tkined?`
`03:15.41`	`abrotman`	`gravity: sorry ..`
`03:15.41`	`gravity`	`DA_: wtf?`
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`03:15.42`	`deadcat`	`Weems: my friend uses the sources line from ubuntu, but i wouldnt do it if i were you.. it works. but...`
`03:15.48`	`trave11er`	`Ugly_Duck: something like kdelibs4-dev ?`
`03:15.51`	`Xinux`	`Stop.`
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`03:15.52`	`gravity`	`Weems: Why do you need X.Org?`
`03:15.57`	`Gnea`	`Xinux: and stfu.`
`03:15.58`	`toresbe`	`deadcat: ....`
`03:16.06`	`deadcat`	`toresbe: what up`
`03:16.07`	`toresbe`	`deadcat: and why the hell doesn't he switch then? :P`
`03:16.07`	`Xinux`	`Gnea: moooooo`
`03:16.08`	`Nigel`	`deadcat: right, then if i'm a troll that hangs out and causes mass disruption in #debian, why am i a) using debian, b) contributing to debian via maintaining`
`03:16.09`	`Weems`	`I like it better`
`03:16.16`	`Weems`	`I feel xfree is old`
`03:16.16`	`Mardus`	`deadcat: You could have been less terse.`
`03:16.20`	`deadcat`	`toresbe: dont know (=`
`03:16.22`	`Weems`	`and I think its faster`
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`03:16.31`	`gravity`	`Weems: It is old, but X.Org isn't really faster`
`03:16.32`	`deadcat`	`Nigel: shutup`
`03:16.36`	`jp`	`what file have I to edit to add my dbus user launch? .Xauthority? Thanks!`
`03:16.36`	`gravity`	`Weems: It's the same codebase`
`03:16.40`	`Gnea`	`Weems: that's nice, but it's still a standard and it is still functional.`
`03:16.51`	`toresbe`	`deadcat: that's like getting the smoothness and out-of-box-eyness of Debian, combined with the package stability of Ubuntu O_o`
`03:16.53`	`Weems`	`gravity: I want the development package for either xorg or xfree86`
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`03:17.00`	`deadcat`	`toresbe: hehe.`
`03:17.07`	`Weems`	`I need it so I can compile fluxbox 0.9.12`
`03:17.13`	`Mardus`	`Everyone: deadcat sounds very much like Bill O'Reilly from FOXNews`
`03:17.14`	`Ugly_Duck`	`trave11er: thanks`
`03:17.15`	`abrotman`	`gravity: how do i end up in the middle :)`
`03:17.25`	`zOap`	`toresbe, any luck with linux.no?`
`03:17.41`	`gravity`	`Weems: Try xlibs-dev`
`03:17.42`	`deadcat`	`toresbe: thats why i decided to wait.. i tried the non ubuntu sources line twice. i had to remove most X apps and reinstall x-window-system-core related packages again.`
`03:17.48`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Don't worry about it. It's not a big deal.`
`03:18.02`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 742] by debhelper`
`03:18.03`	`toresbe`	`ok`
`03:18.05`	`abrotman`	`gravity: ph34r overfiend :)`
`03:18.05`	`Gnea`	`zOap: i didn't think so.`
`03:18.06`	`gravity`	`Weems: You can also do apt-get build-deps fluxbox`
`03:18.12`	`gravity`	`heh`
`03:18.12`	`Xinux`	`I need somebody to invent a way to kill people over the internet.`
`03:18.14`	`toresbe`	`deadcat: You might be interested in trying Ubuntu, though.`
`03:18.16`	`gravity`	`OF is nice to me`
`03:18.23`	`Nigel`	`deadcat: so in future, can you please not accuse me of been a troll, after only saying one line in reponse to a known troll.`
`03:18.24`	`deadcat`	`toresbe: no thanks.`
`03:18.30`	`Gnea`	`!troll Xinux`
`03:18.31`	`toresbe`	`deadcat: If you really want the cutting-edge desktop packages, that is.`
`03:18.37`	`gravity`	`I look forward to the day I can sit down for a beer with him`
`03:18.39`	`deadcat`	`Nigel: shhhhhh`
`03:18.41`	`Xinux`	`Gnea: I'm offended.`
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`03:18.54`	`abrotman`	`you guys could notify the ops to take note if it continues`
`03:18.55`	`jp`	`what file have I to edit to add my dbus user launch? .Xauthority? Thanks!`
`03:18.57`	`Xinux`	`Gnea: Offended my the immaturity.`
`03:18.57`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, probably find intels crap in modules.conf?`
`03:18.58`	`Gnea`	`Xinux: you've got problems that need to be solved. go elsewhere please.`
`03:19.01`	`abrotman`	`this is the first time i've seen him i think`
`03:19.04`	`Xinux`	`by*`
`03:19.07`	`gravity`	`jp: What is a dbus user launch?`
`03:19.13`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: /etc/modules more like it`
`03:19.16`	`deadcat`	`toresbe: i want xorg because i need vga out on the ibook.. but i am waiting for it to be in sid.`
`03:19.29`	`Xinux`	`Gnea: I'm not the one with problems, it seems you have a problem with me, so that means you can go elsewhere.`
`03:19.29`	`jp`	`gravity that: exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session`
`03:19.35`	`Gnea`	`Xinux: the fact that you're talking about killing people is immature itself.`
`03:19.53`	`toresbe`	`deadcat: eek, yeah, sit down and get comfy, that's gonna take a while :P`
`03:19.56`	`Xinux`	`Gnea: You can't take a joke...`
`03:20.01`	`jetscreamer`	`!sing sunday`
`03:20.01`	`dpkg`	`Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play...`
`03:20.05`	`zOap`	`Can we please get some quiet in here? People are trying to talk, without having some ignorant babies disrupting. Give it up, We've heard you already. We know how clever you are with your keyboard. I'll give you a cake. Now, Sodd off`
`03:20.11`	`gravity`	`jp: I don't have that command on my system`
`03:20.19`	`Gnea`	`Xinux: talking about killing people is no joke.`
`03:20.23`	`deadcat`	`toresbe: i know some inside guy. (= xorg is out once sarge is out`
`03:20.25`	`gravity`	`Ah Morrissey factoid. Rock.`
`03:20.26`	`jetscreamer`	`quiet? you mean you have irc hooked up to festival?`
`03:20.30`	`jp`	`gravity don't you know gnome?`
`03:20.31`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, yeah, nothing there that looks interesting. maybe in alsa config or something`
`03:20.32`	`jp`	`:)`
`03:20.32`	`jetscreamer`	`hey that sounds cool`
`03:20.36`	`gravity`	`jp: I run gnome.`
`03:20.41`	`gravity`	`And I have dbus installed`
`03:20.52`	`abrotman`	`i have shortbus installed`
`03:20.54`	`Xinux`	`Gnea: You're... a moron.`
`03:20.54`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: do you have discover and hotplug there?`
`03:20.55`	`toresbe`	`deadcat: ... "I know some inside guy". This isn't a friggin' corporation - our TPS reports are publically availible`
`03:20.59`	`gravity`	`jp: Are you running Ubuntu?`
`03:21.02`	`jp`	`gravity don't you know muine?`
`03:21.08`	`Gnea`	`Xinux: and you live where?`
`03:21.12`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: please stop intentionally being rude to people`
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`03:21.13`	`gravity`	`jp: What are you talking about?`
`03:21.18`	`deadcat`	`toresbe: hahahahha.`
`03:21.18`	`jp`	`gravity no, Debian`
`03:21.27`	`Xinux`	`abrotman: I wasn't the first to approach.`
`03:21.33`	`gravity`	`jp: I have debian unstable. I have no command dbus-launch on my system at all`
`03:21.34`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: please stop`
`03:21.34`	`Nigel`	`deadcat: xorg related comments for inclusion in debian have been out for AGES`
`03:21.38`	`jetscreamer`	`exclamation ops stifle these morons`
`03:21.39`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: i said please twice now`
`03:21.45`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: [10:18PM] <Xinux> I need somebody to invent a way to kill people over the internet.`
`03:21.51`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: i saw`
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`03:21.55`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`03:21.55`	`kevinz`	`ls`
`03:21.59`	`gravity`	`heh... "some inside guy"`
`03:22.01`	`Nigel`	`dpkg has had a factoid about it since at least November last year`
`03:22.02`	`Xinux`	`That isn't starting anything to you Gnea.`
`03:22.06`	`jetscreamer`	`gnea that would be called an fps`
`03:22.08`	`deadcat`	`Nigel: i say come again? then i laugh. because i said "come"`
`03:22.10`	`toresbe`	`kevinz: Segmentation fault`
`03:22.13`	`gravity`	`What do you want to know about X.org in sarge?`
`03:22.16`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, yeah...`
`03:22.20`	`abrotman`	`why didn't it happen`
`03:22.21`	`gravity`	`I can answer any and all questions as well as anyone can answer them`
`03:22.21`	`Mardus`	`Xinux: If people say "please stop", then you are short of being kicked or banned.`
`03:22.21`	`kevinz`	`toresbe: i am quite sory`
`03:22.28`	`Gnea`	`jetscreamer: no, an fps is thrashing pixels, not people.`
`03:22.31`	`gravity`	`abrotman: :-p`
`03:22.35`	`toresbe`	`kevinz: hehe, sheesh, no big deal ;)`
`03:22.38`	`Xinux`	`Mardus: I haven't said anything wrong since he said stop.`
`03:22.40`	`toresbe`	`kevinz: I do it all the time :P`
`03:22.41`	`jetscreamer`	`!sing sunday`
`03:22.41`	`dpkg`	`Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play...`
`03:22.51`	`Mardus`	`Xinux: Well, ok.`
`03:22.52`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: in that case blacklist the oss modules, then modprobe -r them out of the kernel; try alsaconf again`
`03:22.59`	`kevinz`	`toresbe: hahah`
`03:23.02`	`Gnea`	`Xinux: i have a better idea: why don't you stick to the topic.`
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`03:23.12`	`user_ruser`	`what am i doing wrong.. docs say to execute these 2 steps first step to install UML.. however here is what i get :apt-get source user-mode-linux installs fine... step #2 fials. which is : apt-get build-dep user-mode-linux. E: Build-Depends dependency for user-mode-linux cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package kernel-patch-uml can satisfy version requirements`
`03:23.15`	`kevinz`	`when will sid become testing? right after sarge release?`
`03:23.17`	`Gnea`	`Xinux: i don't suppose you know anything about tkined/scotty?`
`03:23.27`	`abrotman`	`kevinz: sid will never be testing .. etch is next`
`03:23.29`	`shingouz`	`kevinz: sid will stay sid`
`03:23.32`	`gravity`	`kevinz: sid is always going to be unstable. Testing will be renamed to etch when sarge releases.`
`03:23.38`	`jetscreamer`	`kevinz: we love you man`
`03:23.46`	`jetscreamer`	`got any beer?`
`03:23.51`	`Gnea`	`kevinz: it's evolving - sid will remain unstable and a new testing will be born`
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`03:23.54`	`abrotman`	`!beer jetscreamer`
`03:23.56`	`shingouz`	`!beer jetscreamer`
`03:23.57`	`gravity`	`jetscreamer: Yes, but it's crappy beer`
`03:23.59`	`zOap`	`Gnea, what is it with you and the tkined?`
`03:23.59`	`Xinux`	`Gnea: It's best you not talk to me, before I get angry.`
`03:24.00`	`abrotman`	`you lucky dog`
`03:24.11`	`kevinz`	`ah , i recall that! sorry :$ sid is always unstable , or unstable is always sid, sorry`
`03:24.19`	`Gnea`	`zOap: what, you can't answer a question with solid information`
`03:24.20`	`Gnea`	`?`
`03:24.20`	`gravity`	`kevinz: :-)`
`03:24.24`	`jetscreamer`	`!love kevinz`
`03:24.27`	`kevinz`	`who is etch in toy story?`
`03:24.32`	`zOap`	`Gnea, huh?`
`03:24.43`	`gravity`	`kevinz: etch-a-sketch. The red drawing toy that plays "draw" with woody in one scene`
`03:24.46`	`Gnea`	`Xinux: you're probably right, i should be talking to people who have a clue.`
`03:24.48`	`shingouz`	`zOap: he is yanking your chain...`
`03:24.58`	`zOap`	`shingouz, yeah, thanks:)`
`03:24.58`	`abrotman`	`kevinz: the etchasketch`
`03:24.58`	`Xinux`	`Gnea: I'm serious...`
`03:25.01`	`abrotman`	`!etch`
`03:25.02`	`dpkg`	`methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>`
`03:25.04`	`Gnea`	`Xinux: so am I.`
`03:25.09`	`jetscreamer`	`!fuck gnea and xinux`
`03:25.15`	`Gnea`	`ROFL`
`03:25.15`	`shingouz`	`heh`
`03:25.22`	`Gnea`	`now that's some funny shiznit`
`03:25.23`	`Xinux`	`Gnea: Fuck off, and stop adding remarks.`
`03:25.28`	`Gnea`	`Xinux: make me.`
`03:25.33`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: please stop`
`03:25.36`	`Mardus`	`...`
`03:25.37`	`Gnea`	`i have a better idea`
`03:25.40`	`Gnea`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:25.41`	`Xinux`	`OMG`
`03:25.42`	`Xinux`	`SEE`
`03:25.45`	`user_ruser`	`what am i doing wrong.. docs say to execute these 2 steps first step to install UML.. however here is what i get :apt-get source user-mode-linux installs fine... step #2 fials. which is : apt-get build-dep user-mode-linux. E: Build-Depends dependency for user-mode-linux cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package kernel-patch-uml can satisfy version requirements. anyone?`
`03:25.45`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: please stop`
`03:25.46`	`Gnea`	`there.`
`03:25.48`	`Xinux`	`NOW IM PISSED`
`03:25.48`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, I'm not real sure how to identify the oss modules. I remember something like they started with snd- or something..?`
`03:25.49`	`Gnea`	`much, much better`
`03:25.59`	`deadcat`	`Xinux: what you gonna do?`
`03:26.04`	`Xinux`	`HE APPROACHED ME AND THEN I GET BLAMED FOR DOING SOMETHING WRONG`
`03:26.04`	`jetscreamer`	`ricochet: the alsa starts with snd-`
`03:26.05`	`deadcat`	`once you're pissed?`
`03:26.08`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: the snd modules are alsa`
`03:26.08`	`Nethox`	`user_ruser: have you tried dpkg-checkbuilddeps?`
`03:26.11`	`zOap`	`user_ruser, please dont do that`
`03:26.12`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: if you can't get a long with the people in the channel .. either stop coming in here .. or /ignore them`
`03:26.16`	`kevinz`	`oh, interesting! so when will etch come out? right after release, or, 6.6?`
`03:26.19`	`Xinux`	`ITS ILLEGAL TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I'M GONNA DO TO HIM`
`03:26.20`	`user_ruser`	`Nethox no. what is it?`
`03:26.22`	`Mardus`	`Xinux: Well, from past experience watching these chats... Referring to what I said before...`
`03:26.23`	`gravity`	`Xinux: At this point it doesn't matter who's in the right. It's all stupid. Please just walk away.`
`03:26.31`	`user_ruser`	`zOap repeating?`
`03:26.38`	`jetscreamer`	`!ops stifle xinux & gnea please`
`03:26.38`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: stifle xinux & gnea please`
`03:26.40`	`gravity`	`Xinux: Thanks`
`03:26.44`	`zOap`	`user_ruser, yes`
`03:26.47`	`deadcat`	`Xinux: let me guess. you're a crazy white boy with a shotgun?`
`03:26.52`	`Gnea`	`jetscreamer: please, i already put him on ignore`
`03:26.58`	`abrotman`	`why is it always the shotgun ?`
`03:27.00`	`kevinz`	`sorry, i think i get my answer`
`03:27.01`	`zOap`	`!what is annoying`
`03:27.02`	`dpkg`	`I think you lost me on that one, zOap`
`03:27.07`	`user_ruser`	`zOap never hte less it yeld some input from somebody`
`03:27.08`	`zOap`	`sorry dpkg:)`
`03:27.09`	`abrotman`	`!annoying`
`03:27.09`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, annoying is people who talk in ALLCAPS, or bold, or colours, for no good reason, or keep repeating their sentences, or flooding with junk, or <reply> People who run ad scripts in #debian`
`03:27.13`	`jetscreamer`	`kevinz it's kinda automatic`
`03:27.14`	`deadcat`	`abrotman: more damage i think.`
`03:27.16`	`Nethox`	`user_ruser: try it, its name says what it do :)`
`03:27.21`	`abrotman`	`deadcat: heh`
`03:27.24`	`zOap`	`abrotman, thanks dude:)`
`03:27.27`	`kevinz`	`jetscreamer: yeah, it's cool`
`03:27.34`	`user_ruser`	`Nethox 7dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: cannot read control file debian/control: No such file or directory`
`03:27.44`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: is that the guy you meant ?`
`03:28.01`	`Nethox`	`user_ruser: do it in the source directory`
`03:28.02`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: huh?`
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`03:28.09`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: the mepis person`
`03:28.10`	`user_ruser`	`Nethox from inside extracted src?`
`03:28.15`	`Xinux`	`I think annoying is: when people flame the same person for using a different distro.`
`03:28.19`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: yes, the very same`
`03:28.30`	`Nethox`	`user_ruser: yes, where it can read debian/control`
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`03:28.39`	`abrotman`	`Xinux: this is the Debian channel .. not intended for Debian based distros`
`03:28.47`	`abrotman`	`or a Debian channel rather`
`03:28.49`	`Nigel`	`hmmm dpkg is a little bit out of it, #debian is set +c (strip colours)`
`03:28.51`	`Gnea`	`heh`
`03:28.52`	`abrotman`	`since ##debian exist etc`
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`03:29.05`	`user_ruser`	`Nethox thanks, i think that would help :) thanks`
`03:29.09`	`eflynn`	`wow, 724 users`
`03:29.12`	`Gnea`	`!tkined`
`03:29.13`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, tkined is a really cool network monitoring tool, part of the scotty suite.`
`03:29.14`	`eflynn`	`err, lusers`
`03:29.15`	`Gnea`	`!scotty`
`03:29.16`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that scotty is Tcl Extensions for Network Management Applications (http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~schoenw/scotty/) and one neat network management tool`
`03:29.19`	`jetscreamer`	`nigel that would be intended i think but what does dpkg have to do with it`
`03:29.23`	`eflynn`	`!flood`
`03:29.24`	`dpkg`	`It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/`
`03:29.28`	`shingouz`	`Xinux: the problem is that you tend to give "advice" to people who do not know better and you do not know what you are talking about. the other thing is that you jsut have to interrupt the channel all the time you are awake`
`03:29.31`	`Gnea`	`now let's see if i can make it work now...`
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`03:29.41`	`Xinux`	`shingouz: i never give advice.`
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`03:29.48`	`shingouz`	`yea right`
`03:29.55`	muse`jicao	`hi`
`03:29.59`	`user_ruser`	`btw, is there a way to control a cpu fan on compq presarion 2715us? cause the cpu seems to be rather hot... and i wanted to turn the fan on`
`03:30.02`	`jetscreamer`	!hi muse`jicao
`03:30.04`	`dpkg`	Many greetings, muse`jicao, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.
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`03:30.21`	`sparr_`	`is there a night sky program like kstars for linux that renders a "realistic" view of the sky? no labels, accurate colors and magnitudes, etc`
`03:30.23`	muse`jicao	`could someone help me to have yes on my direct rendering: No ?`
`03:30.23`	`Gnea`	`user_ruser: not sure, but have you checked the bios settings?`
`03:30.33`	`zOap`	`toresbe, I've set agonyser to the task`
`03:30.35`	`abrotman`	`sparr_: colorrs ?`
`03:30.37`	`jetscreamer`	`sparr: celestia and others`
`03:30.38`	`user_ruser`	`Gnea it is a shadowed bios`
`03:30.41`	muse`jicao	`i have ATI GC`
`03:30.44`	`sparr_`	`abrotman: yeah, kstars colors stuff`
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`03:30.48`	`abrotman`	`sparr_: i believe there are more than a few`
`03:30.56`	`deadcat`	`sparr_: they dont look good )=`
`03:30.59`	`sparr_`	`jetscreamer: i want an earth-based view, celestia will show me earth but wont let stand on earth :(`
`03:31.27`	`abrotman`	`$ apt-cache search constellation`
`03:31.27`	`Gnea`	`user_ruser: that shouldn't make a difference, linux will read from it anyway whatever you set in the main bios`
`03:31.27`	`sparr_`	`ive tried a few`
`03:31.27`	`sparr_`	`they all add stuff`
`03:31.27`	`sparr_`	`i basically want a picture of the sky`
`03:31.27`	`user_ruser`	`Nethox altho it is rather funny. i downalod ed the src with apt get which means it should have gotten al lthe dependencies`
`03:31.27`	`sparr_`	`without walking outside with a camera`
`03:31.30`	`abrotman`	`damn`
`03:31.34`	`abrotman`	`he took my joke away`
`03:31.39`	`sparr_`	`:)`
`03:31.46`	`user_ruser`	`Gnea what do you mean? in this bios i can only set date and the order of boot devicess. that is about it.`
`03:31.49`	`Gnea`	`sparr_: any preference on height from the ground?`
`03:32.01`	muse`jicao	`could someone help me to have yes on my direct rendering: No ? (ATI GC)`
`03:32.04`	`jetscreamer`	`sparr: i saw one where there was a field and grass.. mighta been kstars, not sure`
`03:32.10`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: i think he means stars .. 10,000 feet isn't gonna make much of a difference`
`03:32.12`	`Nethox`	`user_ruser: i think that apt-get does not get the builddepts`
`03:32.19`	`Gnea`	`user_ruser: nothing advanced? doesn't sound like a very good laptop then... what's the make/model?`
`03:32.22`	`sparr_`	`Gnea: ground height... LEO would be ok i guess. not the moon :)`
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`03:32.30`	`Mardus`	muse`jicao: Why you are asking "No ?"?
`03:32.32`	`Gnea`	`ooooh`
`03:32.39`	`Gnea`	`sparr_: yeah, leo would be great :)`
`03:32.41`	`eflynn`	`how do i add myself to the src group? i knew it once but forgot how`
`03:32.41`	`Gnea`	`hrm`
`03:32.52`	`Gnea`	`that reminds me, i wanna get a telescope and a new camera`
`03:32.53`	`user_ruser`	`Gnea that wht shadowed BIOS means. the laptop as indecated earlier is compaq presario 2715us`
`03:32.55`	`sparr_`	`i guess i can do earth view in celestia`
`03:32.57`	`sparr_`	`and just turn around`
`03:33.03`	`abrotman`	`eflynn: man adduser`
`03:33.04`	muse`jicao	`i m asking to have Yes :(`
`03:33.05`	`jetscreamer`	muse`jicao: fbdev=true in the xf86config-4 i 'THINK'
`03:33.10`	`eflynn`	`sigh...`
`03:33.13`	`abrotman`	`sigh?`
`03:33.17`	`eflynn`	`n/m`
`03:33.17`	`Gnea`	`user_ruser: sorry about that, lemme see if i can help...`
`03:33.25`	`abrotman`	`should take two seconds of reading`
`03:33.31`	`Mardus`	muse`jicao: But why did you write "No ?"?
`03:33.34`	`user_ruser`	`Gnea it is a p3, 1.113Mhz with a intel chipset.`
`03:33.41`	`trave11er`	`eflynn: adduser <user> <group>`
`03:33.46`	`abrotman`	`cause that .003 .. makes a big difference :)`
`03:33.47`	`jetscreamer`	`leave the non-native english speaker alone`
`03:33.48`	`trave11er`	`eflynn: that's what you are looking for/`
`03:33.54`	`trave11er`	`?`
`03:33.58`	`abrotman`	`jetscreamer: i thought you were from texas`
`03:34.05`	muse`jicao	`coz it s in my glxinfo`
`03:34.05`	`abrotman`	`:)`
`03:34.18`	`Mardus`	muse`jicao: Well, ok.
`03:34.20`	`jetscreamer`	`i am... i didn't mean me`
`03:34.22`	`eflynn`	`trave11er, ah okay, that's simple`
`03:34.31`	`abrotman`	`jetscreamer: given your nick and locale .. you work for nasa ?`
`03:34.33`	`trave11er`	`eflynn: err`
`03:34.41`	`trave11er`	`eflynn: addgroup, not adduser`
`03:34.43`	`Gnea`	`user_ruser: do you have APM enabled?`
`03:34.50`	`trave11er`	`wait, i'm confused now`
`03:34.51`	`eflynn`	`trave11er, adduser did it`
`03:34.56`	`trave11er`	`eflynn: ah, right`
`03:34.58`	`eflynn`	`debian:~# adduser eflynn src`
`03:34.58`	`eflynn`	Adding user `eflynn' to group `src'...
`03:34.58`	`eflynn`	`Done.`
`03:34.59`	muse`jicao	`jetscreamer, fbdev isn t in my config files :/`
`03:35.00`	`jetscreamer`	`abrotman: no, self-employed.. and this is judy jetson's boyfriend (nick)`
`03:35.02`	`Gnea`	`egads it is getting hot up in this beotch`
`03:35.12`	`jetscreamer`	muse`jicao: i believe you, that's why it's off
`03:35.16`	`trave11er`	`eflynn: got confused for a sec here`
`03:35.17`	`abrotman`	`jetscreamer: oop eek orp ah ah ?`
`03:35.23`	`jetscreamer`	`man XF86Config-4`
`03:35.23`	`shingouz`	`heh`
`03:35.29`	`Xinux`	`Quote Alan "I got round to trying Debian on my desktop. What a disaster."`
`03:35.30`	muse`jicao	`i have to add it ?`
`03:35.30`	`jetscreamer`	`means i love you, abrotman`
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`03:35.34`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`03:35.47`	`jetscreamer`	muse`jicao: yes, but i'm not sure about the format so man xf86config
`03:35.55`	`abrotman`	`i feel so old :)`
`03:36.06`	`jetscreamer`	muse`jicao: you SHOULD be able to get that with drxx
`03:36.08`	`jetscreamer`	`!drxx`
`03:36.08`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root!`
`03:36.10`	`Mardus`	`Any refererence to how to set up SSH and use it too?`
`03:36.11`	`user_ruser`	`Gnea imo there is not such option in bios.. but it has been a hwile since i last tiem was in it.. as fas as the kernel logs go apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) apm: overridden by ACPI.`
`03:36.18`	`jetscreamer`	`muse it's not best to hand edit xf86config`
`03:36.20`	`abrotman`	`apt-get install ssh`
`03:36.21`	`abrotman`	`man ssh`
`03:36.23`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: apt-get install ssh`
`03:36.31`	muse`jicao	`drxx ?? jetscreamer`
`03:36.34`	`abrotman`	`man sshdconfig`
`03:36.36`	`jetscreamer`	`!drxx`
`03:36.36`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root!`
`03:36.38`	`abrotman`	`or whatever the filename is`
`03:36.42`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: that is just a remote CLI for you. like telnet but secure`
`03:36.46`	`abrotman`	`sshd.config maybe`
`03:37.02`	`jetscreamer`	`why can't they just call it xvid.conf, much easier to type`
`03:37.09`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Suppose I just want someone else to set it up without knowing Linux at all and then be client for her.`
`03:37.33`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Suggested packages: lirc-x Recommended packages: xmltv-util... wtf is difference between recommended/suggested?`
`03:37.41`	muse`jicao	`!drxx`
`03:37.41`	`dpkg`	`[drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root!`
`03:38.08`	`jetscreamer`	`some they think you should have, but don't make you. some you can have if yo want and they don't give a shit`
`03:38.08`	`Mardus`	`TwistedEmtions: I think recommended is when it's not required for actual running`
`03:38.11`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: umm.. what you are trying to say there is that you set up the sshd on the remote and you just connect to it. yes, that is doable and the whole point in having ssh, i do it all the time`
`03:38.14`	`TwistedEmotions`	`if I was to recommend that abrotman should die wouldnt I be suggesting that he dies as well?`
`03:38.21`	`abrotman`	`why ?`
`03:38.29`	`abrotman`	`i think lots of people would like to see me dead :)`
`03:38.41`	`jetscreamer`	`!kill abrotman`
`03:38.41`	`TwistedEmotions`	`just cause you were the first name I saw ;) jkin.. .`
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`03:38.58`	`abrotman`	`jetscreamer: that's not death is it ?`
`03:39.10`	`jetscreamer`	`yeah i thought that too`
`03:39.12`	`zOap`	`!kill Xinux`
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`03:39.19`	`abrotman`	`why is it all whips ?`
`03:39.22`	`abrotman`	`!literal kill $1`
`03:39.25`	`Gnea`	`user_ruser: ok yeah, turn off APM in linux altogether, that laptop doesn't use apm`
`03:39.27`	`shingouz`	`you have to ask dpkg about it`
`03:39.30`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Well, going back to that guestion with a girl in Tartu with Mandriva-in-console and me trying to help her out, she'd need to have a daemon and me a client, as far as I understand it.`
`03:39.31`	`abrotman`	`fucking retarded bot`
`03:39.41`	`astronut`	`is it just me, or does the debian developer's corner web page kill scroll wheel?`
`03:39.45`	`user_ruser`	`Gnea in kernel config?`
`03:40.13`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I deleted /home/ash/ and now when I run Tvtime it opens but doesnt work... I get "videoinput: Cannot open capture device /dev/video0: No such device"`
`03:40.15`	`abrotman`	`what the hell`
`03:40.40`	`TwistedEmotions`	`how come all my devices are acting funny.. and how do I fix videoinput?`
`03:40.46`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: yes but i think mandrake does have ssh running. you need to have a user account there too. and root to be effective (but do not log on the system as root remotely, use su for that once on the system)`
`03:40.56`	`Gnea`	`user_ruser: is apm being loaded as a module or did you compile it into the kernel?`
`03:41.00`	muse`jicao	`ok jetscreamer it s done i hope my answer was right now how do i know the change ?`
`03:41.04`	`zOap`	`abrotman, what seems to be the problem?`
`03:41.07`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: screen is useful too. apt-get install screen and man screen for more info`
`03:41.09`	`user_ruser`	`Gnea i was foolish enough to compile it in :)`
`03:41.12`	`abrotman`	`i can't do a literal on a command`
`03:41.25`	`zOap`	`huh, that's weird...`
`03:41.36`	`user_ruser`	`Gnea but if you dont' mind me asking anotehr quiesting, if it wasn't compiled in how i'd prevent the modules from loading?`
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`03:41.46`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Problem is, she can't use the console and she has problems writing down errors and then reporting them to me. That's why SSH seems so useful.`
`03:41.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`videoinput: Cannot open capture device /dev/video0: No such device <<--- Anyone know how to reset my video card driver or whatever to get it to work?`
`03:41.59`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: literal g4ltsmite (.*?)`
`03:42.05`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: you're an idiot`
`03:42.06`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: of course you need to know her ip too but that can be done with a dyndns client. ssh is very useful, i use it all the time`
`03:42.19`	`zOap`	`abrotman, lol`
`03:42.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`hahhaha you tellem abrotman`
`03:42.37`	`abrotman`	dondelelcaro: is there a reason i can't do a `literal g4ltsmite (.*?)` .. and have it show me the command ? .. did the syntax change ?
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`03:42.48`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: First I need to know her IP, then I need to have a user account in her machine?`
`03:43.08`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: i use ssh right now, i am way too lazy to hoist up my ass to get on another computer in the same room just to do a upgrade on it :)`
`03:43.15`	`user_ruser`	`Gnea there is another problem that i have with my ACPI sometimes it works okay. sometimes it does not... and i cna't seem to find out waht causes it`
`03:43.19`	`jetscreamer`	`VIDEOADAPTOR SECTION`
`03:43.19`	`jetscreamer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:43.26`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Mardus: either that or login to her $root... but make sure she trusts you and that you dont fuck it up..`
`03:43.29`	`abrotman`	`jetscreamer: nice isn't it :)`
`03:43.34`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: yes. and root access too somehow. sudo is a good thing for that.`
`03:43.43`	`toresbe`	`zOap: he hasn't -m'ed yet!`
`03:44.08`	`zOap`	`toresbe, yeah, I know. I sent him an not so pleasant msg...`
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`03:44.23`	`Mardus`	`TwistedEmotions: She said that a password was not specified for root during install. I suggested that a password has to be had, but she didn't know how to make it work.`
`03:44.24`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: you do not get X remotely over a dsl though, too much bandwidth to be useful so you are stuck with console tools`
`03:44.39`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: The point is for her ot have X up and running.`
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`03:44.43`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Mardus: Uhhh... try passwd root`
`03:44.44`	`Mardus`	`* to`
`03:44.45`	`zOap`	`toresbe, He's gonna get it tomorrow... I guess people are pretty pissed by now..`
`03:44.46`	`Nethox`	`Has anyone been able to compile the ATI official driver for XFree 4.3 with new kernels like 2.6.11.10?`
`03:44.48`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: i know..`
`03:45.15`	`toresbe`	`zOap: People without lives and/or sleep patterns are angry people.`
`03:45.22`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Mardus: just have her run passwd then she should be able to set a passwd assuming there really IS no password.`
`03:45.35`	`toresbe`	`s/angry/dangerous*`
`03:45.51`	`mos__`	`anyone know whats the difference between cvs and subversion?`
`03:45.57`	`zOap`	`toresbe, lol, yeah, man I'm tired.. I'm gonna get some sleep now.. my exam is on monday.. and wednsday.... and friday.. sigh`
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`03:46.01`	`abrotman`	`far too much for this channel`
`03:46.06`	`toresbe`	`mos__: the strlen()`
`03:46.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`No one in this whorehouse knows how to fix my video card?`
`03:46.13`	`jp`	`guys I'm trying to get running a dbus user session, I added use-session-dbus to /etc/X11/Xsession.options and restarted the gnom session and gdm, but when I logon and try dbus-monitor it fails to open to dbus. who knows something about it? thanks!`
`03:46.19`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: it is a laptop.. /msg dpkg laptop and surf to the website mentioned. maybe you can find the XF86Config somewhere on the net so she would be able to jsut cp it in place (after you have hand-hacked the file to use the proper keyboard and such)`
`03:46.23`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, any idea why intel8x0 isnt found? sound I just go get alsa myself?`
`03:46.28`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Damn I wish linux was made for retarded people... then I would be smart.`
`03:46.30`	`quittt`	`those massive package updates are anoying`
`03:46.35`	`Mardus`	`TwistedEmotions: I think I'll do that. Problem is, she has dual-boot and she has to get out of Windows and then into Linux. That way we can't use the msn messenger protocol through which we interact.`
`03:46.37`	`toresbe`	`TwistedEmotions: no you wouldn't.`
`03:46.42`	`zOap`	`TwistedEmotions, whorehouse? sure`
`03:46.44`	`mos__`	`toresbe: heh, but seriously, on a technical level whats diferent?`
`03:46.51`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Mandriva 2005 LE uses X.Org already`
`03:46.56`	`shingouz`	`ricochet: i am not sure. try find`
`03:46.57`	`toresbe`	`mos__: I have no idea. But quite a lot, apparently`
`03:46.59`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: ouch`
`03:47.06`	`TwistedEmotions`	`toresbe: I'd be at least average ;P`
`03:47.15`	`mos__`	`Mardus: x.org will be out when its ready, stop complaining`
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`03:47.18`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: eek.`
`03:47.38`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: try going to her place? :P`
`03:47.41`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: the things you need to find are the refresh rates for the screen, that is about it. every laptop seems to have a bit odd screen`
`03:47.42`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Mardus: either way... if shes in windows then how are you planning on gettings in through ssh?`
`03:47.44`	`zOap`	`Xorg is for geeks`
`03:47.45`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: other benefits included :P`
`03:47.50`	`gravity`	`Mardus: X.org is in the works. It's being done as fast as can be.`
`03:47.58`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: That's 230 kilometres, mind you. I can't afford going that far.`
`03:47.58`	`jetscreamer`	`ricochet: it's prepended with snd- ... apt-get install modconf && modconf`
`03:47.59`	`toresbe`	`gravity: obviously it is not :P`
`03:48.03`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 735] by debhelper`
`03:48.10`	`jp`	`guys I'm trying to get running a dbus user session, I added use-session-dbus to /etc/X11/Xsession.options and restarted the gnom session and gdm, but when I logon and try dbus-monitor it fails to open to dbus. who knows something about it? thanks!`
`03:48.14`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: come for the linux, stay for the sexor :P`
`03:48.15`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Mardus: ^^^^^ listen to toresbe then run the command apt-get install penis.`
`03:48.16`	`mos__`	`ive heard rumor it will be out within 2 months but thats just a rumor`
`03:48.17`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Yea, I know the rest of the stuff, I'd need access to the machine.`
`03:48.24`	`gravity`	`toresbe: It is as fast as one guy without a ton of time can do it :-)`
`03:48.26`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: there is always a possibilty of a kiss if you just "happen" to show up there to fix the computer, you know ;)`
`03:48.27`	`thomas_adam`	`jp: #kde might.`
`03:48.33`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: No other benefits, I'm not that interested in this girl.`
`03:48.40`	`shingouz`	`oh`
`03:48.42`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: ok then :P`
`03:48.54`	`jp`	`thomas_adam wtf :)`
`03:48.55`	`gravity`	`mos__: What? Sarge? Or X.Org in Debian?`
`03:48.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Mardus: dont lie... your amoung friends...`
`03:49.06`	`thomas_adam`	`jp: Heh, My attempt at humour.`
`03:49.14`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I mean what male doesnt want to do any female...`
`03:49.21`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: yea, as TwistedEmotions said. (is she cute?) ;)`
`03:49.28`	`toresbe`	`gravity: then they need to get another person :P`
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`03:49.37`	`gravity`	`toresbe: No one else has stepped up`
`03:49.38`	`toresbe`	`gravity: or hire him full-time`
`03:49.38`	`Mardus`	`TwistedEmotions: I am not lying. I am not interested in girls at all. I was interested in helping her out, because she has Linux.`
`03:49.44`	`gravity`	`Ha!`
`03:49.51`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Mardus: you got a girlfriend?`
`03:49.55`	`zOap`	`!kiss me`
`03:49.56`	`toresbe`	`oh come ON`
`03:49.59`	`gravity`	`toresbe: I guarantee you that he'd decline that offer`
`03:50.01`	`Xinux`	`omg, printer has jammed`
`03:50.05`	`Xinux`	`damn printer has jammed`
`03:50.06`	`shingouz`	`TwistedEmotions: dont ask, dont tell`
`03:50.09`	`zOap`	`night people`
`03:50.10`	`thomas_adam`	`Celibate...`
`03:50.19`	`abrotman`	`thomas_adam: you're alive !`
`03:50.24`	`toresbe`	`he wants linux help, not love-starved geeks poking their noses in their sex life`
`03:50.25`	`Mardus`	`TwistedEmotions: I am gay. 'nuff said.`
`03:50.28`	`quittt`	`!etch`
`03:50.28`	`dpkg`	`etch is, like, the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>`
`03:50.30`	`toresbe`	`his sex life*`
`03:50.30`	`thomas_adam`	`Sometimes.`
`03:50.56`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Mardus: if no ---> then stfu and impregant her... if yes---> stfu and impregnate her... if gay---> do it anyways... at least its a release..`
`03:51.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Man... was typing that the whole gay thing screwed it up..`
`03:51.09`	`thomas_adam`	`jp: dbus is a gnome issue -- see #gnome on irc.gimp.org for more (most likely pertinent) information.`
`03:51.11`	`shingouz`	`TwistedEmotions: please let it be`
`03:51.12`	`Mardus`	`LOL`
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`03:51.19`	`TwistedEmotions`	`had to add a extra if statement`
`03:51.23`	`Mardus`	`TwistedEmotions: I can handle the release myself.`
`03:51.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`shingouz: ;)`
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`03:51.38`	`TwistedEmotions`	`shingouz: I should have droped it...`
`03:51.44`	`shingouz`	`yes you should`
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`03:52.09`	`shingouz`	`TwistedEmotions: i told you not to ask nor tell :)`
`03:52.19`	`bluefox83`	`ok, i can't seem to find a doom linux help chat anywhere..so i'll ask here since i use debian..and if you guys can help just..say something`
`03:52.32`	`TwistedEmotions`	`shingouz: you know I never listen... stupid me...`
`03:52.41`	`TwistedEmotions`	`something`
`03:52.55`	`zOap`	`bluefox83, aah, that's what I call polite:)`
`03:52.56`	`abrotman`	`bluefox83: you have to ask your question .. then we can tell you`
`03:52.57`	`bluefox83`	`Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". <--what the heck does that mean?`
`03:52.57`	`clc`	`SIGH`
`03:52.57`	`thomas_adam`	`bluefox83: Ah, back so soon. What is it this time/`
`03:52.59`	`clc`	`oops`
`03:52.59`	`shingouz`	`try us, you will notice if the question is the wrong one when your eyebrows start smoldering :)`
`03:53.15`	`TwistedEmotions`	`bluefox83: do you have xserver installed?`
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`03:53.18`	`clc`	`so somebody tell me why my mouse freaks on debian after a minute or two`
`03:53.27`	`thomas_adam`	`bluefox83: It means you haven't loaded the DRI module in your XF86Config-4 file.`
`03:53.27`	`bluefox83`	`TwistedEmotions, yes...`
`03:53.34`	`Mardus`	`clc: In X or in console?`
`03:53.38`	`TwistedEmotions`	`bluefox83: means that for some reason or another cant find your gui...`
`03:53.39`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: as you can tell, this place is really weird from time to time :)`
`03:53.41`	`K_Dallas`	`clc: battery?`
`03:53.47`	`thomas_adam`	`bluefox83: Or your graphics display doesn't support it, or you haven't read your log files.`
`03:53.52`	`bluefox83`	`thomas_adam, i'm in icewm!!!`
`03:53.57`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I think I've come out at least once before in here.`
`03:53.58`	`abrotman`	`like that matters`
`03:54.05`	`bluefox83`	`how do i load those DRI modules?`
`03:54.11`	`bluefox83`	`restart X?`
`03:54.23`	`thomas_adam`	`bluefox83: Specifically, /var/log/XFree86.0.log. And yes, as you guessed, DRI is not a display-critical issue, and icewm must be s bind for you.`
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`03:54.50`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: that is not what i meant, i just mean that too little sunlight and too much caffeine tends to make everyone a bit odd. burst into flames in daylight-odd :D`
`03:55.05`	`abrotman`	`bluefox83: if you reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. it will ask you if you want to include it`
`03:55.12`	`ricochet`	`shingouz, jetscreamer: I think my /lib/modules is just fucked up. Do I just reinstall debian? arrrrg.`
`03:55.26`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: No direct sunlight in Tallinn. Rain can be expected, as per forecasts.`
`03:55.29`	`zOap`	`shingouz, but... do you have the sun in sibiria?:)`
`03:55.33`	`Nethox`	`ricochet: reinstall modules`
`03:55.48`	`Mardus`	`z0ap: shingouz is in Finland. Helsinki area, I guess.`
`03:55.51`	`ricochet`	`Nethox, um, how?`
`03:55.53`	`shingouz`	`zOap: yes but it is small and far away`
`03:56.00`	`zOap`	`Mardus, my fault...`
`03:56.03`	`zOap`	`lol`
`03:56.05`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: turku`
`03:56.05`	`Nethox`	`ricochet: are you using a kernel-image package?`
`03:56.12`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Ah, ok.`
`03:56.14`	`ricochet`	`Nethox, yep`
`03:56.16`	`zOap`	`Well, here in norway it's raining... sigh`
`03:56.17`	`abrotman`	`uname -a`
`03:56.29`	`toresbe`	`zOap: no it isn't`
`03:56.34`	`bluefox83`	`the logs say it's loaded..`
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`03:56.50`	`zOap`	`toresbe, oh? well, in oslo it is...`
`03:56.57`	`toresbe`	`zOap: No it isn't`
`03:56.59`	`abrotman`	`bluefox83: glxinfo`
`03:57.02`	`Mardus`	`z0ap: Well, Turku is about northwards and closer to Lapland. Siberia can also extend way southwards, too.`
`03:57.10`	`zOap`	`toresbe, huh? it rains to me`
`03:57.16`	`Nethox`	`ricochet: reinstall the package with apt-get install --reinstall kernel-image-...`
`03:57.18`	`toresbe`	`No it's not raining here`
`03:57.28`	`zOap`	`ah, ok`
`03:57.29`	`toresbe`	`zOap: I'm in Torshov, by Sandaker/StorO`
`03:57.39`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: this whole fucking place is western siberia imho`
`03:57.40`	`ricochet`	`Nethox, ok. Now that I have a nyperthreading processor, should I install the smp one?`
`03:57.40`	`Mardus`	`z0ap: I love rain. At least to look at it from the windows of my home.`
`03:57.58`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: uname 0a`
`03:57.59`	`abrotman`	`err -a`
`03:58.06`	`Nethox`	`ricochet: i am not sure, i think so`
`03:58.06`	`bluefox83`	`abrotman, it spit out a lot of stuff..but it looks like it didn't load it after all or something?`
`03:58.10`	`bwlang`	`ricochet: you need a very specialized workload to make hyperthreading worthwhile... i'd just disable it in the bios unless you have a good reason not to`
`03:58.16`	`zOap`	`toresbe, I know where Torshov is:) hmmm, maybe I should get out and see if it is raining.. It DID rain last night though.. when I was out to buy some snus`
`03:58.18`	`abrotman`	`bluefox83: glxinfo \| grep direct`
`03:58.29`	`ricochet`	`abrotman: 2.6.8-2-686`
`03:58.29`	`toresbe`	`haha`
`03:58.35`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: -a`
`03:58.36`	`Supaplex`	`I'm not sure why, but my ppp connection doesn't seem to pass much traffic. tcpdump shows I'm sending the requests to the nameservers and all, but when I use the same account in winders it's working fine. I occasionaly see something at random probe an unavilable port (worm whitenoise I suppose). What gives?`
`03:58.37`	`abrotman`	`not -r`
`03:58.37`	`toresbe`	`a) ew, snus is truly disgusting`
`03:58.46`	`ricochet`	`bwland, ok`
`03:58.47`	`bluefox83`	`Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".`
`03:58.47`	`bluefox83`	`direct rendering: No`
`03:58.51`	`toresbe`	`b) weather does change quite rapidly`
`03:58.56`	`abrotman`	`bluefox83: there's your answer`
`03:58.59`	`bluefox83`	`this si very odd..`
`03:59.00`	`ricochet`	`abrotman: Linux milano 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`03:59.01`	`bluefox83`	`*is`
`03:59.08`	`bluefox83`	`abrotman, how do i fix it?`
`03:59.09`	`abrotman`	`JST ?`
`03:59.17`	`abrotman`	`bluefox83: what kind of video card ?`
`03:59.23`	`gravity`	`bluefox83: Is your card supported by XFree4.3 for DRI?`
`03:59.24`	`Mardus`	`toresbe, z0ap. W`
`03:59.30`	`bluefox83`	`nvidia geforce 5500 FX`
`03:59.34`	`abrotman`	`oh jeez ..`
`03:59.34`	`TwistedEmotions`	`wtf is milano?`
`03:59.34`	`zOap`	`Mardus, ?`
`03:59.44`	`shingouz`	`TwistedEmotions: a city in italy`
`03:59.45`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, why did you want that?`
`03:59.48`	`Mardus`	`toresbe, z0ap: Sorry, pushed return too early. What's snus?`
`03:59.52`	`slackd00d`	`is there a howto somewere or can someone tell me how to appy kernel-patch's when compiling my own kernel?`
`03:59.53`	`Nethox`	`bwlang: then its the SMP kernel the one used for HT?`
`03:59.54`	`thomas_adam`	`bluefox83: What is it now?`
`03:59.54`	`trave11er`	`ricochet: do you have the file /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko`
`03:59.58`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: this is for sound or video ?`
`03:59.58`	`trave11er`	`?`
`04:00.02`	`gravity`	`bluefox83: The only way you can get 3d accel (which is what you need) is to use nvidia's closed source and craptacular drivers`
`04:00.05`	`thomas_adam`	`bluefox83: Over the last three years, it seems you've learn't nothing.`
`04:00.10`	`jetscreamer`	`Nethox: yes`
`04:00.15`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: It's a disgusting lump of tobacco`
`04:00.15`	`TwistedEmotions`	`shingouz: Nice... no I mean Linux milano 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:3`
`04:00.16`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, sound.`
`04:00.16`	`shingouz`	`slackd00d: man patch is really about the best doc i have seen`
`04:00.19`	`abrotman`	`thomas_adam: haven't .. nothing ?`
`04:00.20`	`zOap`	`Mardus, aah, snus is tobacco from sweden, which you put under your upper lip.`
`04:00.21`	`bluefox83`	`i already installed the drivers!!!!`
`04:00.24`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: why not use alsa ?`
`04:00.29`	`Nethox`	`jetscreamer: ok, thanks`
`04:00.30`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: make sure glcore and dri are disabled, and enable glx`
`04:00.31`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: You arrange it into clusters and stuff it under your upper lip`
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`04:00.37`	`slackd00d`	`shingouz: thank you`
`04:00.37`	`abrotman`	`bluefox83: apparently not for dri`
`04:00.40`	`gravity`	`bluefox83: Well, the nvidia drivers don't use dri, so maybe that's the problem`
`04:00.43`	`zOap`	`cluster that is, yeah`
`04:00.44`	`shingouz`	`slackd00d: basically patch -p1 --dry-run < diff`
`04:00.45`	`ricochet`	`traveller, I didnt. I just copied it from my 2.6.8-1 modules :) didnt work.`
`04:00.45`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: say no to framebuffer`
`04:00.47`	`gravity`	`In which case, you're fucked`
`04:00.58`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, say what!?!?!`
`04:01.02`	`jetscreamer`	`ricochet: modules must be compiled for kernels`
`04:01.05`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: Ah, ok. Is ScanDisk required to weedout lost clusters? :D`
`04:01.07`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: A) It provides a larger dose of tobacco than a cigarette ever could.`
`04:01.22`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, I want to! :) it work all fine until I tried an intel driver that install its own alsa`
`04:01.23`	`bwlang`	`Nethox: HT looks to the OS like 2 processors... if you really think you need it (do some googling on this) then you must have an smp kernel to use it`
`04:01.24`	`abrotman`	`gravity: but .. you're XSF! .. you need to care!`
`04:01.26`	`zOap`	`no no no, no scandisk, you will ruin the snus!!`
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`04:01.39`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: it doesn't install its own alsa`
`04:01.44`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, after that, it was all fscked up`
`04:01.47`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: scandisk is evil`
`04:01.50`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Not about that. That's nvidia's problem.`
`04:01.55`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I know.`
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`04:02.04`	`zOap`	`brrr`
`04:02.05`	`snadge`	`can anyone here point me to some useful information about using gdb to debug a console graphics application.. with a dual screen setup.. ie, graphics on one screen, debugger on the other?`
`04:02.06`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, not its "own", but it installed one, wanna see?`
`04:02.18`	`bluefox83`	`i just recently did an apt-get dist-upgrade, you guys think that could be the problem?`
`04:02.20`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: alsa sucks to get working sometimes .. it took me quite a few tries`
`04:02.25`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: Ok. I don't smoke, though I've seen my best friend have some of the snus. But not all and in bits, of course.`
`04:02.27`	`zOap`	`!kiss me goodnight`
`04:02.41`	`zOap`	`poff`
`04:02.59`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, watch flood`
`04:03.41`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: did you use modconf like i suggested?`
`04:03.51`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: did you run alsaconf ?`
`04:03.52`	`Mardus`	`toresbe, zOap: At least it doesn't smoke and doesn't emit that smoking smell and doesn't need paper for just every dose, which means that it extra-extra marginally kills less trees...`
`04:04.01`	`hackers`	`well`
`04:04.03`	`hackers`	`its been nice`
`04:04.13`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, modconf: command not found`
`04:04.17`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: I'm more worried about the addicts than the friggin' trees :P`
`04:04.18`	`abrotman`	`as root`
`04:04.25`	`bluefox83`	`that was as root`
`04:04.27`	`hackers`	`linux hereby goes to the wayside for windows as windows works for me :/`
`04:04.28`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: i had said apt-get install modconf`
`04:04.29`	`hackers`	`but!`
`04:04.38`	`zOap`	`bluefox83, install modconf`
`04:04.42`	`hackers`	`ill probably try out sarge when its released ;)`
`04:04.43`	`bluefox83`	`oh..i didn't see you say that or the modconf`
`04:04.47`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, yeah, wouldnt find anything.`
`04:04.54`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: I'm am just kinda worried. I like trees more.`
`04:04.56`	`hackers`	`this is teh place to get help with that too right?`
`04:04.57`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: you're installing your own alsa ?`
`04:05.03`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, nope`
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`04:06.44`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, what module am i looking for?`
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`04:06.55`	`thomas_adam`	`bluefox83: DRI, still?`
`04:07.01`	`jetscreamer`	`snd-`
`04:07.10`	`Nethox`	`To run X windows on LAN with TCP (client/server), its enought with using xauth +host and running X without -nolisten tcp?`
`04:07.13`	`jetscreamer`	`under 'sound' iirc`
`04:07.50`	`thomas_adam`	`Nethox: That's a secure as... well, it isn't/`
`04:07.57`	`jpeg`	`Nethox: that works for me.`
`04:08.02`	`quitte`	`Nethox: that should work. but it was better to use ssh instead.`
`04:08.08`	`gravity`	`Nethox: Just use ssh with forwarding`
`04:08.12`	`Nethox`	`thomas_adam: I know, just for testing`
`04:08.12`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: btw, in Estonia here, some people are also making attempts on making a 'school linux' distro.`
`04:08.43`	`thomas_adam`	`Mardus: How would that differ from the other x^y distros already out there?`
`04:08.47`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: Really?`
`04:08.51`	`Nethox`	`gravity: to tunnel through ssh what must i do?: ssh -X server?`
`04:08.59`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: Tell them that they really should get in touch`
`04:09.04`	`thomas_adam`	`Nethox: /msg dpkg sshx`
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`04:09.16`	`Nethox`	`ok`
`04:09.28`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: I don't know them, I've just read comments about it being in process of developing or such.`
`04:09.28`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: A lot of devels in #debian-edu`
`04:09.31`	`toresbe`	`ok`
`04:09.40`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, i'm not finding what you're tlaking about..`
`04:09.41`	`jetscreamer`	`ricochet: i may have only meant to say apt-get install modconf but didn't, btw :/`
`04:09.44`	`bluefox83`	`*talking`
`04:09.49`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: what kernel`
`04:10.03`	`jetscreamer`	`2. or 2.6`
`04:10.08`	`jetscreamer`	`err 2.4 or 2.6`
`04:10.09`	`Mardus`	`thomas_adam: The reasons are language, simplicity of use, installation and such.`
`04:10.11`	`majid`	`when we can see kde 3.4 in sarge ?`
`04:10.11`	`bluefox83`	`2.6`
`04:10.15`	`thomas_adam`	`Mardus: OK.`
`04:10.18`	`majid`	`or in sid`
`04:10.20`	`thomas_adam`	`Mardus: WIR`
`04:10.28`	`thomas_adam`	`majid: ^`
`04:10.30`	`Mardus`	`thomas_adam: What's WIR?`
`04:10.36`	`thomas_adam`	`Mardus: That wasn't meant for you...`
`04:10.42`	`Mardus`	`thomas_adam: Ok.`
`04:10.51`	`Nethox`	`majid: I think its still on experimental`
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`04:11.11`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: kernel/sound/something, at the bottom`
`04:11.14`	`majid`	`in experimental in debian or at all?`
`04:11.16`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: I think they are basing their "koolilinux" on Mandriva -- because that one has more Estonian language in it than any other distro.`
`04:11.29`	`majid`	`kde 3.4 is released and many distros are using it`
`04:11.41`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, naw really? there's about 3 dozen items for that..can you be a little more specific please?`
`04:11.44`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: Also simplicity of use. Granted: I haven't used mandriva myself.`
`04:11.45`	`deadcat`	`Mardus: ya.`
`04:11.48`	`deadcat`	`oops`
`04:11.50`	`deadcat`	`majid: ya.`
`04:11.52`	`slackd00d`	`does anyone know why i get this error while doing make-kpkg: The changelog says we are creating 2.6.11.052405, but I thought the version is 2.6.11.050604`
`04:11.57`	`Nethox`	`majid: debian, someone told me it today`
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`04:12.12`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: That is, forgive me for saying this, but it's bull`
`04:12.24`	`deadcat`	`slackd00d: did you make-kpkg clean?`
`04:12.30`	`slackd00d`	`oh...nope = )`
`04:12.31`	`majid`	`so ,almost when it will be released in debian?`
`04:12.33`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: I forgive you. I understand that you mean mandriva is bull.`
`04:12.33`	`jetscreamer`	`slackd00d: man kernel-pkg.conf iirc`
`04:12.36`	`toresbe`	`Mardus: It's got a fancy graphical installer...but it sucks :P`
`04:12.37`	`slackd00d`	`deadcat: thank you`
`04:12.47`	`deadcat`	`majid: /topic`
`04:12.48`	`toresbe`	`the whole distro just.... sucks`
`04:12.54`	`jetscreamer`	`slackd00d: and see also --append-to-version`
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`04:13.02`	`shingouz`	`toresbe: amen :)`
`04:13.20`	`slackd00d`	`the make clean fixed it.....thanks for your guy's help`
`04:13.35`	`Nigel`	`kde3.4 got uploaded to unstable...`
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`04:13.40`	`deadcat`	`slackd00d: i always forget that step myself (=`
`04:13.43`	`shingouz`	`slackd00d: we rock. and are very modest about it as you can see ;)`
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`04:14.00`	`majid`	`Nigle : the kde 3.4 is in sid ???`
`04:14.01`	`Nigel`	`(well i believe it was unstable), it was on incoming.d.n anyway`
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`04:14.03`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, i found the snd- ones..which should i chose?`
`04:14.15`	`Mardus`	`toresbe: It doesn't have apt-get. It didn't work out-of the box, as per experience of a girl who had someone install it. Also, Knoppix 3.6 worked on that same laptop model, but that laptop was the laptop of a different girl.`
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`04:14.38`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: snd-i810xxsomething something iirc`
`04:14.53`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: i'm not sure, i don't use intel sound`
`04:14.56`	`bluefox83`	`jethro, that's not there..`
`04:15.04`	`singe`	`is it true? I just heard that sarge has been removed from britney?`
`04:15.05`	`bluefox83`	`i'm not using intel sound, i have a soundblaster live card..`
`04:15.15`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: look in another subsection`
`04:15.16`	`jetscreamer`	`ahh`
`04:15.19`	`bluefox83`	`i'm not having problems wiht my sound O.o`
`04:15.25`	`bluefox83`	`*with`
`04:15.33`	`abrotman`	`bluefox83: yes you are`
`04:15.34`	`jetscreamer`	`alsa for sb live sucks`
`04:15.41`	`gravity`	`kde 3.4 is in experimental`
`04:15.43`	`gravity`	`I see it there`
`04:15.49`	`jetscreamer`	`i prefer oss, but it's snd-emu10k1 for that card alsa`
`04:15.55`	`abrotman`	`gravity: finally ?`
`04:15.58`	`jetscreamer`	`it's emu10k1 for oss`
`04:16.02`	`gravity`	`I dunno. I don't use it.`
`04:16.10`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, i already have that installed`
`04:16.16`	`abrotman`	`!info kwin experimental`
`04:16.21`	`gravity`	`gnome 2.10 began to appear there about a month ago I think`
`04:16.22`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, xmms is using it right now :)`
`04:16.22`	`dpkg`	`kwin: (the KDE window manager), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.1-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 957 kB, Installed size: 3080 kB`
`04:16.25`	`jetscreamer`	`ok i give up what the fuck are you trying to do`
`04:16.27`	`abrotman`	`gravity: guess so`
`04:16.36`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i think farther back`
`04:16.58`	`jetscreamer`	`oh fuck me`
`04:16.58`	`bluefox83`	`not mess with sound..lol`
`04:17.02`	`jetscreamer`	`you're the dri guy`
`04:17.06`	`jetscreamer`	`sorry :/`
`04:17.08`	`bluefox83`	`i'm trying to mess with doom3`
`04:17.17`	`bluefox83`	`lol`
`04:17.20`	`bluefox83`	`it';s ok`
`04:17.29`	`bluefox83`	`i don't feel quite so daft now :)`
`04:17.34`	`Xinux`	`Has anybody gotten Doom 3 to work on linux??`
`04:17.38`	`jetscreamer`	`yes`
`04:17.39`	`bluefox83`	`yeah, me`
`04:17.44`	`Xinux`	`Nice :)`
`04:17.46`	`singe`	`anyone know if there is truth to the rumour? Has sarge been removed from britney?`
`04:17.48`	`bluefox83`	`i was playing it fine for a week`
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`04:17.54`	`jetscreamer`	`ok bluefox83 are you using the nvidia.run or the nvidia.deb`
`04:17.56`	`Xinux`	`What did you use?`
`04:17.57`	`bluefox83`	`then today i go to run it and it craps it's pants`
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`04:18.18`	`toresbe`	`singe: topic in #debian-devel: " "Britney and the Sergeant have broken up" (a.k.a. testing is closed, debian-cd team working now)"`
`04:18.19`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, i use th eone from the nvidia site, it's the only one that works`
`04:18.20`	`lordmyren`	`whats the tool for finding libraries not in use?`
`04:18.27`	`jetscreamer`	`deborphan`
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`04:18.46`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: did you say you upgraded your kernel?`
`04:18.54`	`singe`	`toresbe: thank you`
`04:18.56`	`singe`	`yeah!`
`04:19.14`	`lordmyren`	`jetscreamer: thanks`
`04:19.15`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, no..i don't recall seeing the kernel in the list of things in the apt-get dist-upgrade today..`
`04:19.44`	`bluefox83`	`jetscreamer, but even if it was that, i wouldn't have been able to get back into X when i restarted it earlier`
`04:19.49`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I don't even know if that girl has the network working at all in her Mandriva.`
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`04:19.58`	`jetscreamer`	`ok bluefox83 do you get any non-fatal error message in xterm if you start doom from an xterm`
`04:20.18`	`bluefox83`	`i start it in gnome-terminal`
`04:20.20`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: EEEK! a computer without network!`
`04:20.22`	`bluefox83`	`and i get a few errors`
`04:20.46`	`bluefox83`	`WARNING: vertex array range in virtual memory (SLOW)`
`04:20.46`	`bluefox83`	`signal caught: Segmentation fault`
`04:20.48`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: The net is ok with WinXP, though.`
`04:20.51`	`bluefox83`	`these are on the bottom`
`04:20.57`	`bluefox83`	`and there are more, higher up`
`04:21.25`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: you do know where the brand "XP" comes from?`
`04:21.30`	`bluefox83`	`Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"`
`04:21.35`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Mhmh.`
`04:21.46`	`bluefox83`	`and then some stuff that's missing..`
`04:21.52`	`bluefox83`	`i'll list one or two..`
`04:21.53`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: that is how a users face looks like when s/he has to use it. xp`
`04:22.06`	`shingouz`	`;)`
`04:22.09`	`bluefox83`	`X..GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two not found`
`04:22.09`	`bluefox83`	`X..GL_ARB_texture_compression not found`
`04:22.10`	`Mardus`	`:D`
`04:22.14`	`bluefox83`	`several of those`
`04:22.50`	`shingouz`	`oh, man... lookit the time....`
`04:23.31`	`thomas_adam`	`bluefox83: That's not good.`
`04:23.44`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Yea, the time too. If you are serious about that harware trade, I'd be happy to give you my e-mail address.`
`04:23.48`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: way beyond me, but i'd try uninstalling and reinstalling the .run. i know what those gl_arb ones do in doom, but not how to fix them in linux`
`04:23.53`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: * hardware`
`04:23.55`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: don't run away, i'll check for the parts later today. when i'll show up on that side of the puddle is still open but i guess i have to come over in anycase`
`04:24.10`	`jetscreamer`	`bluefox83: i'd also look at my packages that provide opengl`
`04:24.27`	`bluefox83`	`ok, how can i get a quick list of those?`
`04:24.29`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: email is ok too of course but i am a bit too tired to make a note of it anymore :)`
`04:24.44`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: If the estimate is two weeks, then I think I might have something to buy with.`
`04:24.48`	`bluefox83`	`can dpkg spit out the opengl packages?`
`04:24.57`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: isn't the sun coming up ?`
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`04:25.21`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: two weeks should be pretty close, maybe a bit more depending on how much shti i have going on here`
`04:25.31`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: what do you mean? it is up already`
`04:25.37`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: i thought as much`
`04:25.40`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: The sun is up since about 05:00-something at shere Shingouz and I are.`
`04:25.51`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: * at where`
`04:25.54`	`abrotman`	`freaks .. sleep!`
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`04:26.11`	`lordmyren`	`hot damn! i just freed like 500 megs off my / drive tonight`
`04:26.19`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: a bit earlier this far up north. i fucking hate this place, even the nights are not what a proper night should be: dark`
`04:26.22`	`Whistleboy`	`since upgrading recently, my thunderbird does not start up - anyone else having this problem?`
`04:26.24`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: you bastard, on the east coast :P`
`04:26.31`	`lordmyren`	`all i had to do was delete this silly /usr/bin dir, it was taking up all that space. ;)`
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`04:26.39`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: what ?`
`04:26.46`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: guess what ! .. i'm coming to visit!`
`04:26.48`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Lemme see... Two weeks is nice, more is... I don't know. 23rd, 24th and 25th could be spent in the country, 24th is the Jaanip�a"ev and a national holiday, too.`
`04:26.51`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: hahaha`
`04:26.56`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: massive tornado warning righ tnow`
`04:27.00`	`Whistleboy`	`I should say it starts up, but not visibly. A process gets left behind`
`04:27.00`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Jaanipa"ev`
`04:27.01`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: i get to go to UP though`
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`04:27.12`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: UP?`
`04:27.20`	`abrotman`	`Upper Peninsula`
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`04:27.54`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: maps.google.com .. hurley, wi`
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`04:27.58`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: hehe.. we'll work it out. i have a few things to do before coming over in anycase and it is not like i will disappear from this channel`
`04:27.59`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: I actually love light nights. And I love days with extra dark clouds.`
`04:28.15`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Well, yea. Though I don't frequent this channl very often.`
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`04:28.29`	`shingouz`	`Mardus: later tonight?`
`04:28.38`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: Ah, well, maybe.`
`04:28.55`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: didn't work ?`
`04:28.55`	`Mardus`	`shingouz: There's "Panic Room" on Nelonen coming, I might watch that.`
`04:29.08`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: interesting movie`
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`04:30.57`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: I haven't seen "Panic Room" yet, but I like Jodie Foster. The A-List sez she might be a L_____.`
`04:31.12`	`abrotman`	`Mardus: you're not getting any from her.. doesn't matter :)`
`04:31.23`	`abrotman`	`lithuanian ?`
`04:31.30`	`gravity`	`"might be"?`
`04:31.35`	`gravity`	`I thought that was pretty well established`
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`04:31.50`	`abrotman`	`gravity: don't think she's ever taken a women out in public`
`04:31.52`	`Mardus`	`abrotman: No, not Lithuanian.`
`04:31.54`	`gravity`	`Then again, I don't follow hollywood gossip`
`04:32.10`	`abrotman`	`gravity: admit it .. that's what you do on sundays instead of #debian`
`04:32.13`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Few of us have. I mean... we'd get arrested for "taking" one in public`
`04:32.16`	`kanzure`	`Where do I put a ttf file for Mozilla to recongize it?`
`04:32.22`	`gravity`	`abrotman: It'd probably enrich my life more :-)`
`04:32.23`	`kanzure`	`the font file.`
`04:32.27`	`abrotman`	`heh`
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`04:32.35`	`gravity`	`kanzure: ~/.fonts`
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`04:32.49`	`kanzure`	`gravity: =/ should've known, thanks.`
`04:32.57`	`gravity`	`kanzure: You're welcome`
`04:33.16`	`Loof`	`Heya, does the sarge installer (rc3) generally work... I seem to get almost all the way through and as it is installing the base system it aborts /w an errno 2`
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`04:33.30`	`Mardus`	`gravity: Well, I sometimes read some stuff from the A-List. That helps me keep up on whom I am interested and I won't have a need then for gossip mags.`
`04:33.48`	`SDFH_Linux`	`is there anyway to speed up boot time on debian?`
`04:33.49`	`lordmyren`	`the ability of X to work with such a bizare mix of 4.3.0 X packages and Xorg 6.8.2 ASTOUNDS me`
`04:33.57`	`Loof`	`It's got some errors about /target/dev/pts being missing, and /target/proc/...`
`04:33.59`	`abrotman`	`SDFH_Linux: kind of`
`04:34.06`	`Loof`	`yet proc isn't mounted on /target/proc`
`04:34.07`	`Hyde`	`im trying to set up a dns server for my domain names, so i don't have to use a free/slow service. I've tried before but just can't get it working, could someone please help me or guide me through it`
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`04:34.30`	`Loof`	`Any ideas?`
`04:34.33`	`abrotman`	`SDFH_Linux: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html ... only thing i've ever seen on it`
`04:34.45`	`jasoncohen`	`sarge won't release until the RC bug count is down to 0, right?`
`04:34.47`	`clc`	`SDFH_Linux what are you doing in this channel`
`04:34.50`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: No`
`04:34.58`	`gravity`	`It'll release when the release manager says it's ready`
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`04:35.17`	`gravity`	`An RC count of 0 isn't really a necessity`
`04:35.25`	`abrotman`	`it is!`
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`04:35.35`	`trave11er`	`Loof: are you getting some specific error message?`
`04:35.38`	`abrotman`	`never mind all the friggin security issues :)`
`04:35.41`	`SDFH_Linux`	`clcont is that you?`
`04:35.49`	`clc`	`lol no`
`04:35.52`	`clc`	`:o`
`04:36.01`	`trave11er`	`Loof: is it happening during the installation of packages?`
`04:36.04`	`gravity`	`abrotman: If you want to help fix the problems, the door is open. They won't make it for the sarge release but they'll make it soon thereafter`
`04:36.07`	`Loof`	`traveller: Yes, debianbootstrap returned errno`
`04:36.08`	`Loof`	`2`
`04:36.21`	`jasoncohen`	`abrotman, but how do you get to an RC bug count of 0. It seems that bugs are being squished at the same rate their being found. The RC bug count was been hovering around 20 for more than a week and 4-5 bugs are squished each day.`
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`04:36.24`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i haven't coded C/C++ in about 5 years now :)`
`04:36.25`	`wanglin`	`hello`
`04:36.27`	`Loof`	`It's as the base system is installing, as I mentioned.`
`04:36.31`	`trave11er`	`Loof: is it installing from cd or network?`
`04:36.31`	`SDFH_Linux`	`clcont why you in here`
`04:36.36`	`clc`	`i dont know`
`04:36.38`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Me neither, but I'm doing it anyway :-p`
`04:36.38`	`abrotman`	`jasoncohen: close them quicker :)`
`04:36.39`	`jasoncohen`	`*at the same rate they're being found`
`04:36.40`	`clc`	`i dont even use debian :p`
`04:36.53`	`trave11er`	`Loof: rc3 should work, that's the installer which is going to be shipped with sarge :-0`
`04:36.55`	`Loof`	`Hmm, I've got the network set up... but I think all of these packages are from the CD pool`
`04:36.58`	`wanglin`	`How to install the x-java-vm plug-in by the apt-get?`
`04:37.05`	`SDFH_Linux`	`lol @ clcont`
`04:37.18`	`Loof`	`I did an expert26 install if that makes a difference`
`04:37.27`	`trave11er`	`Loof: well, as a first step i would try to re-burn the cd`
`04:37.30`	`jasoncohen`	`abrotman, Well, if they're constantly finding bugs, doesn't that mean it's impossible to squish all major bugs because some are bound to be found after the release? How do you decide when it's ready?`
`04:37.35`	`Loof`	`the CD validated fine`
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`04:37.43`	`SDFH_Linux`	`clcont pretty busy in here eh?`
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`04:38.04`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: When they feel it's time, which is not a totally quantitative thing`
`04:38.13`	`abrotman`	`jasoncohen: you need to check http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&new=10&refresh=900`
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`04:38.18`	`gravity`	`The distro will not be perfect, but it will be very good`
`04:38.19`	`trave11er`	`Loof: no idea then`
`04:38.34`	`Loof`	`trav: What is debianbootstrap?`
`04:38.58`	`trave11er`	`Loof: that's the script installing the base system`
`04:38.59`	`abrotman`	`debootstrrap`
`04:38.59`	`jasoncohen`	`there was talk yesterday i believe that etch is going to be more of a desktop oriented distro than sarge. Anything in the ML's with info on this?`
`04:39.01`	`trave11er`	`it's debootstrap`
`04:39.07`	`wanglin`	`nobody answer my question :how to install x-java-vm plugin by the apt-get?`
`04:39.15`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: No plans for that that I've seen`
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`04:39.38`	`gravity`	`There's a gtk version of the installer in the works, that's about it`
`04:39.43`	`gravity`	`Aside from the usual improvements.`
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`04:40.36`	`jasoncohen`	`so etch will still be for servers?`
`04:40.41`	`gravity`	`No`
`04:40.59`	`gravity`	`Debian doesn't distinguish like that. It's for either, and for many other purposes.`
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`04:41.17`	`jasoncohen`	`well, is woody a realistic choice for desktop use when packages are 3 years old?`
`04:41.31`	`gravity`	`Oh... you mean the release schedule then`
`04:41.37`	`Loof`	`Yah, I went back to look at it...debootstrap`
`04:41.45`	`gravity`	`Well, there is serious talk of doing a release every 18 months`
`04:42.01`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i'm voting for a freeze after say .. 6 months :)`
`04:42.03`	`gravity`	`And I know the main release manager wants that target. I know others would like to see it. The question will be if it can be pulled off`
`04:42.14`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i'd even settle for a year`
`04:42.16`	`gravity`	`I'd push for a year myself, but that's me`
`04:42.26`	`Loof`	`Damnit, so basically it's just failing in some mysterious way`
`04:42.27`	`Loof`	`blah`
`04:42.29`	`abrotman`	`gravity: and i mean .. freeze .. none of that wishywashy crap :)`
`04:42.50`	`gravity`	`Well, the problem is the actual execution. We don't know how to do it really`
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`04:43.05`	`gravity`	`As far as I know, no one's ever done it with a project of this magnitude`
`04:43.09`	`abrotman`	`gravity: it's easy .. watch "Hey guys .. freeze next week .. get your shit in"`
`04:43.15`	`jasoncohen`	`gravity, how do other distros do it...or do they just release on schedule whether it's ready or not?`
`04:43.16`	`gravity`	`I wish`
`04:43.25`	`gravity`	`abrotman: The reality is it's not that simple. I wish it were.`
`04:43.36`	`abrotman`	`gravity: or freeze base at 9 months .. then rest at 12`
`04:43.39`	`gravity`	`If you want to see what happens, check the -release archives since the freeze happened`
`04:43.41`	`abrotman`	`err then the rest`
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`04:43.55`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: They have lower standards and aren't put together with as many packages by as many people`
`04:43.59`	`trave11er`	`Loof: i am afraid so. you should try a different image, perhaps. like businesscard if you are using netinst and vice versa`
`04:44.08`	`Grant`	`Truncating oversized referrer field <------- Need help on how to resolve this. Getting error when building webalizer :)`
`04:44.13`	`gravity`	`Plus, other distros have lots of people paid to put them together. It's harder with volunteers.`
`04:44.31`	`WhiteRabbit`	`a 8 month cycle is optimal`
`04:44.40`	`gravity`	`We don't really know that`
`04:45.04`	`jasoncohen`	`abrotman, lol, why does it seem that every page with RC bug count for sarge gives a different #? The main page (http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/) shows 18. This page (http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/all.html) shows 13 and the link you gave me shows 12`
`04:45.06`	`gravity`	`We also don't know about unexpected issues like backend things. Both sarge and woody were held up by backend stuff that only a few people had the knowledge to work on`
`04:45.06`	`WhiteRabbit`	`not to long not to short`
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`04:45.16`	`asuffield`	`you mean '18'`
`04:45.17`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i still disagree .. they could totally do a tiered freeze system`
`04:45.19`	`gravity`	`Having testing work the way it does is not trivial, for instance`
`04:45.39`	`jasoncohen`	`gravity, backend stuff?`
`04:45.40`	`ricochet`	`abrotman: ok, back in normal deb`
`04:45.48`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Not simple. Plus the scripts aren't written to handle that right now. They'd have to be patched heavily.`
`04:45.51`	`abrotman`	`jasoncohen: that bugs.debian.org link .. it's not generated on the fly`
`04:45.58`	`WhiteRabbit`	`8 months would prove interesting more so than 6months or even 18 months`
`04:46.00`	`abrotman`	`gravity: you mean rewritten :)`
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`04:46.04`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: lilo happy now ?`
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`04:46.16`	`Grant`	`Truncating oversized referrer field: Could some body please help me with this error.`
`04:46.17`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, guess so, I took windows out :)`
`04:46.18`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: Yes. Things like having security support, autobuilt packages, unstable->testing migration, etc. These aren't trivial pieces of infrastructure.`
`04:46.23`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`04:46.25`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: They don't just happen.`
`04:46.37`	`jasoncohen`	`abrotman, but http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&new=10&refresh=900 is on the fly?`
`04:46.46`	`gravity`	`abrotman: If you want to rewrite them and stress test them so we know they work, be my guest, but don't be surprised when no one uses them`
`04:46.49`	`abrotman`	`jasoncohen: afaik`
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`04:46.55`	`Witizer`	`Hi`
`04:46.56`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, alsa also looked like it loaded fine, and my mixer works again, when I try to play something it says there is not soundcard though...`
`04:47.01`	`abrotman`	`gravity: oh sure ..`
`04:47.09`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i'm just makign suggestions .. like everyone else`
`04:47.09`	`jethro`	`!aussiesmite abrotman`
`04:47.11`	`dpkg`	`abrotman: shut up ya bloody yank or i'll cut your acres off!`
`04:47.49`	`Witizer`	`Hi, could I explain here a problem?`
`04:47.50`	`gravity`	`So yeah... people want a shorter, more predictable release, but we don't know how to do it`
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`04:48.13`	`K_Dallas`	`Witizer, go ahead`
`04:48.16`	`abrotman`	`gravity: they could solicit ideas from users :)`
`04:48.17`	`gravity`	`The suggestion to have standards for ports was one suggestion, but that didn't go so well, so we're back to square one`
`04:48.22`	`gravity`	`abrotman: We have. Check the wiki.`
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`04:48.29`	`jasoncohen`	`gravity, is testing made to be in a useable state so it can be quickly turned to stable or so that users can run it as a distro?`
`04:48.33`	`gravity`	`There's a page. Feel free to add and edit.`
`04:48.34`	`abrotman`	`gravity: which wiki ?`
`04:48.40`	`gravity`	`wiki.debian.net`
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`04:48.47`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: That's the idea`
`04:48.50`	`gravity`	`Sort of`
`04:48.56`	`bluefox83`	`ok`
`04:49.05`	`bluefox83`	`should anyone come in wiht the same problem as i just had`
`04:49.20`	`bluefox83`	`tell them to uninstall the ndivia drivers`
`04:49.20`	`Witizer`	`I'm running Knoppix (debian) and after installing msttcorefonts, when I start KDE it froze in Loading services. I haven't configured the MS Fonts, how could I do it from the console? thanks`
`04:49.21`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: It's more of a release tool really. The idea being to have a set of packages that could be released at any time. It hasn't worked out quite that way, but it does help manage the problems.`
`04:49.23`	`jasoncohen`	`gravity, which...to allow it be turned into a stable release quickly or to have a functional release that can be used by users who want more up to date apps`
`04:49.24`	`bluefox83`	`and then reinstall them`
`04:49.27`	`abrotman`	`jasoncohen: sarge was the first attempt at testing`
`04:49.39`	`gravity`	`Witizer: Knoppix isn't Debian. Go to #knoppix for help.`
`04:49.53`	`jasoncohen`	`abrotman, seems to have worked well`
`04:50.03`	`abrotman`	`jasoncohen: not really .. took almost 3 years :)`
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`04:50.07`	`Witizer`	`gravity :/`
`04:50.08`	`gravity`	`No, we had testing before that`
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`04:50.21`	`abrotman`	`gravity: i don't recall testing during woody`
`04:50.22`	`gravity`	`Witizer: Sorry. We can't help you. Knoppix isn't Debian.`
`04:50.26`	`Witizer`	`why not?`
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`04:50.33`	`Witizer`	`why isn't the same�`
`04:50.36`	`gravity`	`Witizer: Because it's not. It's Knoppix. Hence the name.`
`04:50.57`	`Witizer`	`I think it's the same, just a graphic installer and a few of things more`
`04:51.06`	`abrotman`	`gravity: ah . apparently not during potato`
`04:51.09`	`gravity`	`Yeah. What "few things" would those be?`
`04:51.12`	`asuffield`	`Witizer: well you're wrong`
`04:51.15`	`asuffield`	`Witizer: now go away`
`04:51.17`	`jasoncohen`	`it just seems that stable can't meet a lot of desktop users needs and testing could itself be an excellent desktop distro if it had security updates. Why doesn't it get them- would it be too much work becuase of the moving target?`
`04:51.35`	`Overand`	`jasoncohen: 'testing' does have security updates`
`04:51.36`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: We know`
`04:51.42`	`Overand`	`as in, sarge has security updates now...`
`04:52.03`	`Mardus`	`jasoncohen: Well, I guess testing will be sarge soon, but unlike the way Longhorn is a moving target.`
`04:52.04`	`jasoncohen`	`Overand, yes- but that's temporary`
`04:52.15`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: Testing security is possible, and there's a team to manage it. We'll see if they keep going during the whole of etch's life cycle. If so, you get what you want. If not, we have to figure things out.`
`04:52.16`	`Overand`	`Witizer: knoppix is so modified from debian that it's difficult for 'debian' specialists to support`
`04:52.30`	`Grant`	`Truncating oversized referrer field`
`04:52.30`	`Overand`	`Witizer: often many many many many problems that knoppix users have are solely 'knoppix' problems`
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`04:52.41`	`jasoncohen`	`gravity, i thought the plan was to end security support for testing once sarge is released.`
`04:52.46`	`_0ri0n_`	`lamers !`
`04:52.47`	`_0ri0n_`	`:)`
`04:52.48`	`Witizer`	`Ok, I'll consider to install Debian`
`04:52.50`	`_0ri0n_`	`i'm the best`
`04:52.55`	`ricochet`	`abrotman: works!`
`04:52.56`	`Overand`	`Witizer: i've got a 'knoppix install'`
`04:53.00`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: good`
`04:53.01`	`Overand`	`it's fine for screwing around temporarily`
`04:53.01`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: I'm not totally clear on it. That may be true.`
`04:53.09`	`Mardus`	`jasoncohen: That doesn't mean sarge won't get security updates.`
`04:53.13`	`Overand`	`but unless you're a debian expert, keeping it stable and up to date is a pain in the ass`
`04:53.15`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, thank you very much.`
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`04:53.21`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: no problem`
`04:53.24`	`Overand`	`Witizer: and if you're a debian expert... why use it in the first place?`
`04:53.36`	`Overand`	`Witizer: the 'sarge' debian installer is actually quite good these days`
`04:53.47`	`jasoncohen`	`Mardus, ? I'm not talking about sarge. I want testing (i.e - what will become etch) to have security updates`
`04:53.51`	`Mardus`	`Witizeer: Even woody's installer is good.`
`04:53.58`	`gravity`	`Yeah. We really have seen a lot fewer knopix installs in here since d-i got useable`
`04:53.59`	`Overand`	`yeah`
`04:54.07`	`Mardus`	`jasoncohen: I guess etch will have security updates, too.`
`04:54.12`	`Overand`	`woody's installer is ok, but sarge installer is much nicer`
`04:54.17`	`abrotman`	`gravity: it's been pretty damn usable since RC1`
`04:54.17`	`Overand`	`but the woody installer is still totally fine`
`04:54.22`	`Mardus`	`gravity: What's d-i?`
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`04:54.25`	`abrotman`	`!d-i`
`04:54.25`	`dpkg`	`d-i is, like, the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer>`
`04:54.28`	`gravity`	`Mardus: The debian-installer`
`04:54.29`	`asuffield`	`nah, we've seen a lot fewer knoppix idiots in here since the default IRC name of xchat in knoppix got banned`
`04:54.33`	`ricochet`	`abrotman, any idea why the optical out doesnt work?`
`04:54.42`	`gravity`	`asuffield: Oh, that finally happened?`
`04:54.43`	`Overand`	`asuffield: heh`
`04:54.43`	`Mardus`	`gravity: I didn't know about the acronym.`
`04:54.51`	`K_Dallas`	`is there a new installer being developed for etch?`
`04:54.52`	`asuffield`	`it's been that way for a few months`
`04:54.54`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: nope .. i don't have it on my laptop`
`04:54.59`	`gravity`	`K_Dallas: No. It's the sarge installer.`
`04:55.08`	`gravity`	`K_Dallas: But improvements for it are in the works for etch`
`04:55.15`	`K_Dallas`	`i see. thanks`
`04:55.20`	`asuffield`	`and generally speaking, people who can figure out how to change the name can figure out how to join #knoppix on their own`
`04:55.26`	`gravity`	`heh`
`04:55.27`	`Witizer`	`so, I'm going to install my first Debian OS after Knoppix failure....`
`04:55.36`	`Witizer`	`Should I download Sarge instead Woody?`
`04:55.41`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`04:55.48`	`K_Dallas`	`Debian-Sarge is pretty easy to install`
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`04:55.58`	`K_Dallas`	`woody is ooools`
`04:55.59`	`K_Dallas`	`woody is oooold`
`04:56.08`	`Witizer`	`I see`
`04:56.19`	`Witizer`	`so, the plan is to install sarge, then turn to sid?`
`04:56.19`	`Mardus`	`Witizer: If you want an easier install, then Sarge is better. Sarge also has relatively modern software; a feat Woody doesn't have.`
`04:56.23`	`jasoncohen`	`yes, the sarge installer is quite easy`
`04:56.28`	`asuffield`	`old is good, it means there are no surprises`
`04:56.40`	`abrotman`	`stable is good`
`04:56.42`	`K_Dallas`	`and no rewards either`
`04:56.44`	`jasoncohen`	`why would you want to use sid as a first install? that's asking for troubles`
`04:56.48`	`gravity`	`So long as it's adequate, that's very true`
`04:56.50`	`abrotman`	`stable is a reward butthead`
`04:56.55`	`Pepper`	`Witizer: depends on what you need.`
`04:57.10`	`asuffield`	`who the fuck needs a 'reward'? I get paid well enough already`
`04:57.51`	`Mardus`	`Witizer: If you want a reliable wserver or such /perhaps not even on newest hardware, you might want woody. If you want a desktop computer on newer hardware, sarge is a better consideration.`
`04:57.54`	`Witizer`	`jasoncohen yes, maybe it's looking for problems as I'm not experienced. Sarge should fit`
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`04:58.46`	`Mardus`	`Witizer: You can have sarge for years. Etch is in active development, AFAIK and unstable, AFAIK.`
`04:59.00`	`asuffield`	`etch doesn't exist`
`04:59.23`	`Mardus`	`asuffield: Yea, it's sid to be etch and a release after etch will be sid then.`
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`04:59.48`	`jasoncohen`	`Mardus, what's in testing currently will become sarge. Once sarge is released the freeze ends and new stuff can be added to unstable`
`04:59.49`	`asuffield`	`ugh. I can't even be bothered to enumerate all the ways in which that is wrong`
`04:59.50`	`Mardus`	`asuffield: I mean, you know it as well.`
`04:59.58`	`Mardus`	`jasoncohen: I know.`
`05:00.00`	`Nigel`	`sid is always sid`
`05:00.20`	`Nigel`	`i mean, sid is always unstable`
`05:00.28`	`Mardus`	`I know, i wanted to make a complement to asuffield's text -> Witizer`
`05:00.36`	`Nigel`	`the new testing has been rumored to be "etch"`
`05:00.48`	`Witizer`	`I see`
`05:01.01`	`Mardus`	`Nigel: So we don't know for sure yet, if it will be etch or another character?`
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`05:01.24`	`asuffield`	`the name will be 'etch'. it does not presently exist in any form`
`05:01.33`	`Mardus`	`asuffield: Ok.`
`05:01.39`	`Nigel`	`Mardus: everyone is saying etch, i think it'd be a big surprise if it's not`
`05:01.51`	`jasoncohen`	`why is out of date documentation an RC bug?`
`05:01.52`	`Mardus`	`yea-yea, mhmh, and the like`
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`05:02.17`	`jasoncohen`	`the korean & japanese documentation is apparently out of date`
`05:02.18`	`Mardus`	`jasoncohen: Because that documentation won't help with release that is to be released.`
`05:02.42`	`jasoncohen`	`yes, but would that actually hold up a release?`
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`05:02.56`	`Mardus`	`jasoncohen: If I ever knew...`
`05:03.06`	`Nigel`	`actually, it is etch to be next...`
`05:03.25`	`Nigel`	`there is an "etch" bug tag already`
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`05:03.51`	`Mardus`	`And an etch directory somewhere in debian.org.`
`05:03.54`	`ricochet`	`abrotman: #alsa helped. fyi, I just needed to set my audio device in the program (XMMS) to plug:iec958`
`05:04.08`	`abrotman`	`ricochet: good thing you asked them .. i never would have guessed :)`
`05:04.14`	`Nigel`	`i think at this stage only real show stoppers will kill the current sarge rumoured release date`
`05:04.38`	`Mardus`	`I'll be away.`
`05:04.43`	`asuffield`	`the rumours are mostly pure fabrication`
`05:04.53`	`jasoncohen`	`the current bugs seem rather mundane.`
`05:05.06`	`Pepper`	`Nigel: what is a real show stopper then?`
`05:05.07`	`gravity`	`You can pretty much consider sarge finished, if you like`
`05:05.14`	`Nigel`	`apparently all the build scripts are running, and FTP changes are happening (because packages sent for unstable aren't be put on the archive yet)`
`05:05.30`	`Nigel`	`Pepper: i dunno, that would be for the RM's to decide`
`05:05.42`	`jasoncohen`	`though i wonder why fam is being used. I had the same problem (being unable to mount CDs and USB keys) and apparently it also affects floppies as the RC bug which has no known fix`
`05:07.00`	`Nigel`	`asuffield: actually, some RM's have said that they aren't really rumours`
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`05:07.16`	`jasoncohen`	`i installed gamin and the problem went away..but gamin isn't going into sarge`
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`05:10.06`	`floppyears`	`hi`
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`05:10.22`	`floppyears`	`how long will it take for a gnome 2.10 to be available for debian`
`05:10.27`	`trave11er`	`Nigel: from what i see, the final cds are being built as we speak and sarge will release tomorrow (monday)`
`05:10.30`	`trave11er`	`as planned`
`05:10.38`	`furrywolf`	`meep!`
`05:10.56`	`furrywolf`	`abrotman: you're no fun. go poke yourself or something. :P`
`05:10.58`	`abrotman`	`!eat furrywolf`
`05:11.05`	`abrotman`	`food chains rule!`
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`05:11.34`	`floppyears`	`how long will it take for a gnome 2.10 to be available for debian`
`05:11.43`	`furrywolf`	`hey, I always like seeing how many furs I can meet. :)`
`05:11.57`	`Nigel`	`trave11er: exactly`
`05:12.04`	`Nigel`	`except don't say that`
`05:12.06`	`abrotman`	`floppyears: it's in experimental now`
`05:12.31`	`floppyears`	`abrotman: oh, I thought it was released meaning that it was ok to use.`
`05:12.42`	`abrotman`	`floppyears: what ?`
`05:12.43`	`floppyears`	`abrotman: or do you mean that it is in the experimentatl branch :)`
`05:12.51`	`abrotman`	`!info gnome-panel experimental`
`05:13.00`	`dpkg`	`gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.1-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 364 kB, Installed size: 856 kB`
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`05:13.12`	`floppyears`	`abrotman: thanks`
`05:13.15`	`trave11er`	`Nigel: why not?`
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`05:14.17`	`Nigel`	`trave11er: because if it doesn't happen, then you could easily get flamed by people that assumed you meant for real`
`05:14.26`	`floppyears`	`abrotman: thanks for the help`
`05:14.30`	`Nigel`	`at least if you say, it's rumoured to, then they can't flame ya`
`05:15.17`	`Mardus`	`furrywolf: How to write this stuff with an asterisk, like "<nick> does something"?`
`05:15.30`	`Nigel`	`Mardus: /me`
`05:15.33`	`furrywolf`	`Mardus: /me does something`
`05:15.38`	`Mardus`	`Ah, ok.`
`05:15.41`	`Mardus`	`Thanks.`
`05:16.08`	`Witizer`	`:)`
`05:16.17`	`spdf[w]`	`or /action, but that's longer..`
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`05:16.25`	`javopq`	`.\`
`05:16.33`	`Witizer`	`hope to get support once I shall become a Debian User ;)`
`05:16.44`	`javopq`	`hola`
`05:16.54`	`furrywolf`	`heh. furry as in liking anthropomorphic animals, not as in having too much hair. :)`
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`05:17.14`	`javopq`	`holaaa`
`05:17.16`	`Mardus`	`furrywolf: I knew that.`
`05:17.18`	`javopq`	`hi`
`05:17.22`	`javopq`	`there`
`05:17.24`	`spdf[w]`	`javopq, hello.`
`05:17.30`	`LinuxNIT--`	`anyone know of a program for flashing the bios wihle in linux?`
`05:17.39`	`furrywolf`	`Mardus: just checking... many people don't know. :)`
`05:17.45`	`Hyde`	`when people are talking about x calculations per second, whats a calculation, like 2+2?`
`05:17.49`	`javopq`	`I need help with my wlan card`
`05:17.51`	`spdf[w]`	`LinuxNIT--, most bios utils are vendor specific...`
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`05:18.09`	`Mardus`	`Witizer: You will get support. I was helped out tremendously over here, like how to proceed in an install and many months later on how get X working, for example.`
`05:18.38`	`Witizer`	`This is great`
`05:18.47`	`ricochet`	`abrotman: any idea why my dvd is bumpy while watching?`
`05:18.54`	`Mardus`	`furrywolf: I don't know what anthromorphic is, but I guess I understood your point.`
`05:18.55`	`FlimFlamMan`	`er... i have a huge problem.`
`05:18.56`	`LinuxNIT--`	`ok`
`05:18.57`	`Pepper`	`Mardus: Hopefully Witizer gets X running a bit faster :-)`
`05:18.59`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, he's gone..`
`05:19.06`	`javopq`	`I installed knopix but it didnt recognize my wlan.`
`05:19.11`	`Witizer`	`Faster than with Knoppix?`
`05:19.15`	`spdf[w]`	`javopq, debian != knoppix..`
`05:19.22`	`furrywolf`	`anthropomorphic animals are animals posessing properties normally associated with humans, such as sentient thought.`
`05:19.23`	`javopq`	`ok. thanks.`
`05:19.34`	`spdf[w]`	`javopq, ask in #knoppix`
`05:19.36`	`javopq`	`uhmm//`
`05:19.39`	`javopq`	`ok.`
`05:19.40`	`Pepper`	`Witizer: Faster than months after installing :-)`
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`05:19.42`	`sleestak`	`usually flashing the bios becomes a vendor specific thing (like a dos pogram which can't be interrupted or else you hose the pc).`
`05:20.01`	`javopq`	`i.ll be there. thanks spdf. see ya around`
`05:20.02`	`Mardus`	`Pepper: I made the install and at first I couldn't get X working too. Just it was months later when I moved the hard drive to a computer that has an S3Trio video card and I hadn't figured out yet how to get an NIC working.`
`05:20.03`	`ricochet`	`can anyone help me, or tell me why my dvd is bumpy while watching?`
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`05:20.18`	`Mardus`	`Witizer: Knoppix is preconfigured in many ways.`
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`05:20.27`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, How much RAM in the machine?`
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`05:20.50`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w]: 1 gig, p4 2.8 800MhzFSB`
`05:21.01`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, that shouldn't be slow at all..`
`05:21.16`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w], yeah thats why it is buggin me`
`05:21.19`	`FlimFlamMan`	`i have a huge problem - this is is a production server ... i'm installing sarge to dual-boot with red hat 7.2 (in the process of migrating to debian)... during setup, i specified the same /boot partition as used by red hat, and put everything else on a separate RAID volume. after the initial setup and boot (after which install continues), i get a kernel panic`
`05:21.24`	`Mardus`	`Pepper: I made the install and a few days or weeks later was helped to get X working. That was fast. Just that I kept the hard drive in the office and not @Home, because I hadn't needed it until the Win98 hard drive died.`
`05:21.30`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, hmm... is DMA enabled?`
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`05:21.44`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w], how do I find out? hdparm?`
`05:21.48`	`landon011`	`hi guys. Does anybody know how to hook up a iptables firewall box (2 nics) to a linksys router? The firewall will sit between the cable modem and the linksys router`
`05:21.52`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, Yah, hdparm`
`05:22.13`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, hdparm -d /dev/[whatevah]`
`05:22.25`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, that'll tell you if its on..`
`05:22.39`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, if not, then ... hdparm -d 1 /dev/[whatevah]`
`05:23.19`	`Mardus`	`FlimFlamMan: I wonder if it's a filesystem problem. If Red Hat 7.2 uses ext2 instead of ext3. And it's better to have woody on a production server.`
`05:23.23`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] wanna look at flood?`
`05:23.32`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, Give 'er`
`05:23.53`	`Mardus`	`FlimFlamMan: I hope you've made backups of your current/former system.`
`05:23.54`	`FlimFlamMan`	`Mardus, it's ext3`
`05:24.11`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: can you still boot redhat?`
`05:24.16`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, do a hdparm -i /dev/hdb and paste it..`
`05:24.23`	`FlimFlamMan`	`Mardus, yes, backups, but it will be nasty getting everything up by morning, if even possible`
`05:24.51`	`FlimFlamMan`	`liable, no, i get a kernel panic - can't make everything out on the screen because the video is distorted too`
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`05:25.04`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] pasted`
`05:25.30`	`Mardus`	`FlimFlamMan: Well, at least you have a plan B. Maybe planning plan c, d, etc like John and Aeryn do, might help even more.`
`05:26.11`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: ohh, re-install grub from the install cd, pointing it at your redhat drive.`
`05:27.04`	`Mardus`	`FlimFlamMan: I can guess that if video is distorted, then maybe it might be a video card config thing, if you use a GUI there.`
`05:27.17`	`FlimFlamMan`	`liable, i used the same /boot partition that red hat uses, but i put space on the "debian drive" for a boot partition. maybe i should just run install again and put grub on there and make that bootable?`
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`05:27.27`	`FlimFlamMan`	`Mardus, no GUI`
`05:27.41`	`Mardus`	`FlimFlamMan: Ok. But I can't help you further.`
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`05:27.49`	`slack`	`hey quienes siguen aun en esta sala`
`05:28.00`	`sussudio`	`!tejon`
`05:28.00`	`dpkg`	`http://faunaiberica.org/especies.php3?esp=52`
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`05:28.07`	`slack`	`necesito el debian la ultima version`
`05:28.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`i'm having trouble getting a Logitech Attack 3 joystick to work on debian. when it's inserted, dmesg reveals some USB error messages, and the hub that the joystick is plugged into dies completely.`
`05:28.45`	`Mardus`	`slack: http://faunaiberica.org/especies.php3?esp=52 -- and we speak English here.`
`05:28.52`	`SerajewelKS`	`lsusb hangs`
`05:28.53`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: redhat was using grub?`
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`05:29.06`	`SerajewelKS`	`using kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686`
`05:29.46`	`sleestak`	`whats the fastest what to transfer 1-3GB of data from a cablemodel to an internet server (ie uploading, so slower BW). a directory heirarchy of files.`
`05:29.46`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w]?`
`05:30.11`	`rob_lt`	`SerajewelKS: some other people might have some suggestions for you, but failing that, try using the 2.6.11 kernel in unstable. 2.6.8 has been a total POS with respect to usb for me.`
`05:30.14`	`sleestak`	`NFS? scp? rsync? cpio?`
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`05:30.45`	`FlimFlamMan`	`liable, yes, grub`
`05:30.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`rob_lt, will it work with sarge?`
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`05:32.22`	`cinix`	`It's true Debian ARM will not be continued after Sarge is released right?`
`05:32.35`	`Pepper`	`sleestak: rsync makes only sense if you already have some of the files at the server`
`05:32.36`	`gravity`	`cinix: We don't know right now. It's sort of up in the air.`
`05:33.00`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: hmm, yeah I think putting grub on the other drive is a good start, then look into the redhat drive and try and figure out whats up.`
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`05:33.17`	`cinix`	`ah. just curious. I use it on my PDA and I was debating if I wanted to continue or not.`
`05:33.21`	`Pepper`	`sleestak: every other method will take long time depending on your upstream bw.`
`05:33.27`	`rob_lt`	`SerajewelKS: certainly, just go to debian.org, look for "debian packages" on the left, and then "Search package directories". Look for "kernel-image-2.6.11" in unstable, download the .deb, and install it with dpkg -i`
`05:33.34`	`FlimFlamMan`	`liable, if i get grub to boot off of the "debian drive", i might be able to just add an entry for the red hat system...?`
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`05:33.56`	`Witizer`	`hi again`
`05:33.57`	`pekkele`	`can i make my sarge, whitch is testing womethink more stabler and security ??`
`05:34.03`	`Witizer`	`I have tried to install sarg`
`05:34.06`	`cinix`	`It kicks butt to run any linux app on a portable arm proc, but program interfaces designed specifically for such a small screen would make more sense then a simple port`
`05:34.08`	`pekkele`	`to change sources.list or somethink`
`05:34.14`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone know what I am suppose to go to fix this..`
`05:34.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`rob_lt, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 ?`
`05:34.16`	`TwistedEmotions`	`videoinput: Cannot open capture device /dev/video0: Permission denied`
`05:34.16`	`TwistedEmotions`	`mixer: Can't open device /dev/mixer, mixer volume and mute unavailable.`
`05:34.20`	`Witizer`	`"Disk error 32, AX=n2E8, drive 9F"`
`05:34.20`	`rob_lt`	`SerajewelKS: it will keep your 2.6.8 kernel too, so you have something to fall back on, it will just make 2.6.11 the default in grub. You can always reboot into 2.6.8 and remove --purge 2.6.11`
`05:34.34`	`SerajewelKS`	`rob_lt, i use lilo =)`
`05:34.46`	`SerajewelKS`	`holy hell, 15mb`
`05:34.47`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: I dont know actually, I know nothing about raid, havent used it, but I'm thinking if you rerun grub on the redhat drive, it should fix it.`
`05:35.34`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: at least if you get the debian one up, you can acces the data on the other drive, then go from there I guess.`
`05:35.39`	`FlimFlamMan`	`ok..`
`05:36.12`	`rob_lt`	`SerajewelKS: that's the one, I'm assuming (I've only used grub) that apt/dpkg will take care of lilo for you too.`
`05:36.44`	`liable`	`TwistedEmotions: you in the video group?`
`05:37.00`	`SerajewelKS`	`rob_lt, even if it doesn't, i like doing stuff by hand, so...`
`05:37.02`	`TwistedEmotions`	`liable: I'm running it as root... do I still need to do that?`
`05:37.20`	`SerajewelKS`	`rob_lt, it's just a bit frustrating that i blew $20 on this joystick, and i've got to download a 15mb kernel update to use it`
`05:37.22`	`liable`	`hmm, shouldnt.`
`05:37.31`	`rob_lt`	`SerajewelKS: dont' tell anyone, but I'm actually using the 2.6.12 ubuntu kernel on a debian sarge machine, with no issues at all.`
`05:37.32`	`Witizer`	`???`
`05:37.43`	`rob_lt`	`:)`
`05:38.04`	`liable`	`Witizer: maybe for that one try in #debian-boot`
`05:38.07`	`Pepper`	`sleestak: maybe try something like [ tar jcf - <dirtotransfer> \| ssh user@system "cd <destdir>;tar jxf -" ]`
`05:38.12`	`Witizer`	`oh my god`
`05:38.23`	`rob_lt`	`SerajewelKS: is it supposed to be supported?`
`05:38.25`	`Pepper`	`sleestak: if this fails after some time. retry with rsync.`
`05:38.30`	`TwistedEmotions`	`liable: added it... still no difference... audio was giving me same errors too... ever since I deleted /home/foo/... but I created a new user... dont know whats up`
`05:38.38`	`SerajewelKS`	`rob_lt, google shows that everyone else can use it with no problems`
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`05:38.52`	`liable`	`TwistedEmotions: you logged out?`
`05:39.00`	`sleestak`	`thats just what i wanted to hear. i'm doing a nfs transfer, but i don't want to have to tweak it.`
`05:39.03`	`FlimFlamMan`	`ok, i got debian to boot... that's a first step...`
`05:39.06`	`TwistedEmotions`	`liable: used gs`
`05:39.07`	`SerajewelKS`	`rob_lt, http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi/8/18855 and search for "attack 3"`
`05:39.18`	`liable`	`gs?`
`05:39.22`	`pekkele`	`hi, exery time i start my Xfce i get strange error, Could not look up internet addres for local. This will prevent Xfce from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding local to the file /etc/hostson your system.`
`05:39.25`	`pekkele`	`can i fix this`
`05:39.27`	`ricochet`	`can anyone tell me why I cant set DMA on on my DVD drive?`
`05:39.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`rob_lt, and that guy is on 2.4.22`
`05:39.34`	`TwistedEmotions`	`liable: sg I mean`
`05:39.47`	`liable`	`sg?`
`05:40.12`	`TwistedEmotions`	`basically makes it so login/logout isnt needed`
`05:40.14`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, Which kernel version?`
`05:40.18`	`rob_lt`	`SerajewelKS: like I said, it might have nothing to do with your kernel, but if that's the only thing you've got, it's likely worth a shot. My external usb dvd drive was hard locking my entire system with 2.6.8, but with 2.6.11/12, no issues.`
`05:40.35`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w], your back! :) 2.6.11`
`05:40.42`	`liable`	`TwistedEmotions: oh, never heard of it.`
`05:40.49`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, I'm at work :) Was switching backup tapes..`
`05:40.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`rob_lt, okay thanks, i'll just be playing metroid fusion while i wait the hour for the download`
`05:41.00`	`liable`	`TwistedEmotions: log out anyway, see what happens`
`05:41.09`	`TwistedEmotions`	`liable: kk brb`
`05:41.12`	`rob_lt`	`SerajewelKS: I take it you're not using DSL :)`
`05:41.26`	`SerajewelKS`	`TwistedEmotions, is the new user in the "audio" group`
`05:41.36`	`TwistedEmotions`	`SerajewelKS: yeah`
`05:41.42`	`SerajewelKS`	`rob_lt, how ever did you guess?`
`05:41.45`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, http://www.linux.com/howtos/DVD-Playback-HOWTO/x383.shtml#dmatrouble`
`05:41.59`	`SerajewelKS`	`TwistedEmotions, can you mpg321 an MP3 as root?`
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`05:42.50`	`SerajewelKS`	`TwistedEmotions, can you mpg321 an MP3 as root?`
`05:42.50`	`Pepper`	`sleestak: nfs is better for local networks. transfer includes always a file descriptor and locking/change info you don't need if you're just uploading`
`05:43.30`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, You can also try to add "ide=dma" as a kernel argument in your lilo or grub config..`
`05:43.34`	`TwistedEmotions`	`SerajewelKS: I use xmms but yes..`
`05:43.52`	`TwistedEmotions`	`videoinput: Cannot open capture device /dev/video0: No such device`
`05:43.54`	`TwistedEmotions`	`same shit`
`05:44.00`	`sleestak`	`ok, I'll try the tar bullet method. thanks Pepper.`
`05:44.02`	`TwistedEmotions`	`rtctimer: Cannot open /dev/rtc: Permission denied`
`05:44.02`	`TwistedEmotions`	`rtctimer: Cannot open /dev/misc/rtc: No such file or directory`
`05:44.19`	`liable`	`TwistedEmotions: what are you trying to run?`
`05:44.23`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Is there a way to rebuild the files in /dev/?`
`05:44.28`	`TwistedEmotions`	`tvtime`
`05:44.28`	`SerajewelKS`	`TwistedEmotions, thought you said that audio wasn't working?`
`05:44.35`	`liable`	`oh`
`05:44.37`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, Which program are you using to watch dvds"`
`05:44.38`	`TwistedEmotions`	`SerajewelKS: fixed that`
`05:45.10`	`dawg`	`twistedemotions, just make rtc readable by that user`
`05:45.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`dawg... how do I do that? And can I do it for the whole /dev/ directoryh?`
`05:45.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`f`
`05:46.13`	`quitte`	`it already should be. rtc is readable by the audio group`
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`05:46.39`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: not a good idea to change permissions of all devices at a time.`
`05:47.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I dont know... either my groups or my /dev's are screwed up.. and dont know how to fix either.. ;P`
`05:47.12`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: the defaults are very reasonable. most of the time you think you need to change them there is a better way.`
`05:47.29`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] totem`
`05:47.29`	`quitte`	`what does ls - l /dev/rtc show?`
`05:47.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ls: -: No such file or directory`
`05:47.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ls: l: No such file or directory`
`05:47.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`/dev/rtc`
`05:47.59`	`quitte`	`bah ls -l /dev/rtc`
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`05:48.24`	`TwistedEmotions`	`crw-rwx--- 1 root mythtv 10, 135 2005-02-25 22:43 /dev/rtc`
`05:48.35`	`TwistedEmotions`	`is mythtv the problem?`
`05:48.38`	`quitte`	`wtf?`
`05:48.43`	`Mardus`	`Imma go away. Bye`
`05:48.45`	`quitte`	`how did you install mythtv?`
`05:48.47`	`Mardus`	`Thanks for advice, too.`
`05:48.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I tried to install it... and failed... never removed..`
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`05:49.31`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, you should try xine as well, /msg dpkg marillat for instructions..`
`05:49.41`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: is that not right?`
`05:49.53`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w]: i am surprised my chipset wouldnt be supported. maybe I should install the non-smp version and disable HT ?`
`05:50.08`	`quitte`	`does ls -l /dev \|grep mythtv show a lot of devices`
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`05:50.18`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: it should be audio, not mythtv`
`05:50.39`	`liable`	`!tell _darkKnight_ about away`
`05:51.27`	`liable`	`TwistedEmotions: if you tried to install it and failed, why do you think it should work?`
`05:51.29`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, You could try that`
`05:51.54`	`TwistedEmotions`	`liable: tvtime worked before... mythtv didnt... just remove it too.. no difference`
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`05:52.10`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: how did you install mythtv`
`05:52.12`	`quitte`	`?`
`05:52.25`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: debian package..`
`05:52.53`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: not trying to fix mythtv... needed SQL server.. dont feel like fixing that..`
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`05:53.37`	`quitte`	`but you should fix /dev and maybe some other pieces of your system. wouldn't be bad to know how you broke it in the first place`
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`05:53.47`	`furrywolf`	`curls up on his tail and falls asleep. bedtime for tired wolfy. niteys. :)`
`05:54.01`	`Ry12`	`can dmcrypt be used with iso format`
`05:54.07`	`liable`	`TwistedEmotions: start again, you had tvtime going, borked mythtv install, removed mythtv, now tvtime fails?`
`05:54.09`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: I think deleting /home/foo/ fuckered everything up..`
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`05:54.17`	`quitte`	`no`
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`05:55.50`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] actually, I remember video skipping like this as I was playing it in through my pvr-250 as well. maybe my video card is the bottleneck?`
`05:56.31`	`TwistedEmotions`	`liable: tvtime worked... installed mythtv too... mythtv didnt work... deleted /home/ash and it fuckered up everything... audio didnt work anymore... same error permission denied... fixed that by reinstalling alsa..tvtime stoped working.... removed mythtv and it made no difference....`
`05:56.52`	`liable`	`TwistedEmotions: rebooted since?`
`05:57.09`	`TwistedEmotions`	`liable: yeah like 10 times since...`
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`05:57.12`	`liable`	`ok`
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`05:57.26`	`TwistedEmotions`	`brb need to reboot... maybe that will help..`
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`05:57.41`	`quitte`	`will not`
`05:57.55`	`liable`	`since removing mythtv?`
`05:58.05`	`quitte`	`but im sure scared of mythtv now`
`05:58.14`	`asuffield`	`rebooting will not help. fixing the fucking permissions would`
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`05:58.35`	`asuffield`	`quitte: mythtv is designed to more or less take over a box, anyway. don't put it on a box that's supposed to do anything else`
`05:58.44`	`quitte`	`yes. i think if he didn'T forget something he did - which i doubt it was removing mythtv rather than removing /home/ash`
`05:59.19`	`quitte`	`asuffield: ok. too late for TwistedEmotions. can he get his system back in the state it was before?`
`05:59.29`	`asuffield`	`I have no idea`
`05:59.46`	`asuffield`	`it's technically possible, but given that he had to ask, I wouldn't bet on him accomplishing it`
`06:00.22`	`quitte`	`does mythtv at least give a big warniong that it will break your system?`
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`06:01.18`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: mythtv wasnt the problem..`
`06:02.05`	`quitte`	`i'd believe asuffield if i were you`
`06:02.19`	`renegad3`	`hi guys, I bought myself a new toshiba laptop for work and home, I just need some feedback from someone who is familiar with laptops and what packages to use. I did a "apt-cache search laptops" and came up with some useful packages (im sure they all are). I was wondering if someone could tell what they use and find usefull eg; when closing the display it "sleeps" and battery status, things like that. Im also a KDE user. ;)`
`06:02.19`	`quitte`	`i did that even years ago`
`06:02.36`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, Do you have direct rendering enabled in X?`
`06:02.47`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w], i dunno`
`06:03.06`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] is that dri?`
`06:03.10`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, do a glxinfo \| grep direct`
`06:03.12`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, Yeh..`
`06:03.48`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w], No`
`06:03.55`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, What kind of video card?`
`06:03.58`	`ricochet`	`i dont remember why I commented it out...`
`06:04.12`	`asuffield`	`TwistedEmotions: oh do be sensible. it quote obviously is mythtv that screwed up the permissions, and that's why it doesn't work`
`06:04.22`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, I'd expect DRI to speed it up considerably..`
`06:04.52`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] I have an ATI Radeon 7500, and an nVidia (PCI) GeForce MX-400 in a dual monitor setup thing`
`06:05.17`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, In your X config do you have driver "ati", or driver "radeon"?`
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`06:05.28`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, If its ati, change it to radeon..`
`06:05.28`	`TwistedEmotions`	`asuffield: Well... I'm not saying that it isnt possible that it was the problem... but I do think it was... ever since I deleted /home/foo/ xserver has never worked the same... audio doesnt work the same and neither does video...`
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`06:05.45`	`TwistedEmotions`	`asuffield: either way.. I'm fuckered now ;(`
`06:05.51`	`asuffield`	`I detect a common theme here`
`06:05.53`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] yeah its ati`
`06:06.04`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] ok, brb`
`06:06.10`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, change to radeon and restart X, then check for Direct rendering again..`
`06:06.19`	`quitte`	`i guess it was /home/mythtv?`
`06:06.35`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] I guess I should uncomment dri too`
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`06:06.42`	`TwistedEmotions`	`no.. it was the user I was using..`
`06:06.52`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, Okay`
`06:06.57`	`quitte`	`aha. and since then the new user isn`
`06:07.00`	`Solet-deb`	`i'm having cups issues, when i print from mozilla it comes out huge... only half of what should get onto the page makes it on to the page... the headers which are normally like a 10pt font are near a 24pt font.... why is it doing this how do i fix it?`
`06:07.04`	`quitte`	`'t in the mythtv group`
`06:07.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: you think thats it?`
`06:07.39`	`quitte`	`which it normally wouldnt have to be in - but as dev permissions are broke audio and video groups dont work any more`
`06:07.44`	`quitte`	`yes.`
`06:07.49`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I added my name to myth group...`
`06:07.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`gonna reboot.`
`06:08.03`	`quitte`	`nooo`
`06:08.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`What?`
`06:08.10`	`quitte`	`just logout and back in`
`06:08.10`	`spdf[w]`	`TwistedEmotions, just log out..`
`06:08.26`	`TwistedEmotions`	`just logout/login of xfce4?`
`06:08.32`	`spdf[w]`	`TwistedEmotions, Yeh..`
`06:08.36`	`TwistedEmotions`	`kk`
`06:08.37`	`quitte`	`just login somehow`
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`06:10.03`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Well no longer getting the access error... but the videoinput: Cannot open capture device /dev/video0: No such device error is still there..`
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`06:10.28`	`TwistedEmotions`	`How do I check to see if /dev/video0 is working or not?`
`06:10.54`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: add yourself to the following groups: video,audio,cdrom,dialout,floppy,nvram`
`06:11.01`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w]: says failed to open DRM`
`06:11.11`	`TwistedEmotions`	`adduser linux video,audio,cdrom,dialout,floppy,nvram?`
`06:11.11`	`quitte`	`anything i forgot he might need some time?`
`06:11.15`	`silverton`	`wh00! my 486 is well on it's way to being up soon :D`
`06:11.30`	`TwistedEmotions`	`or spaces in between?`
`06:12.13`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, Er.. What does?`
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`06:12.19`	`quitte`	`uhm. no idea. i usually add users to only a single group at a time`
`06:12.27`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] look in flood please`
`06:12.43`	`TwistedEmotions`	linux@Twisted:~$ sudo adduser linux nvram adduser: The group `nvram' does not exist.
`06:12.53`	`TwistedEmotions`	`the rest added fine`
`06:12.54`	`quitte`	`then ignore it`
`06:12.59`	`quitte`	`good`
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`06:13.35`	`jim`	`how would I add a mount to fstab which is a --bind mount?`
`06:13.41`	`SavannahLion`	`How do I figure out what version of glibc I have installed?`
`06:13.45`	`SavannahLion`	`If I have it installed?`
`06:13.56`	`jim`	`SavannahLion: you can look in /lib`
`06:14.07`	`jim`	`do you run debian/linux?`
`06:14.17`	`SavannahLion`	`Yes`
`06:14.24`	`jim`	`is your system functional? :)`
`06:14.34`	`SavannahLion`	`Tried dpkg -l \| grep glibc but I got nothing useful back`
`06:14.37`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, Ahh, the Nvidia card needs dri disabled..`
`06:14.42`	`FlimFlamMan`	`ok, i have the old red hat /boot/ on /dev/sda1 ; currently i'm booting from debian's /boot on /dev/sdc1 ... what do i need to put in grub/menu.lst to boot the old red hat OS ...? i'm getting "Kernel panic: no init found"`
`06:14.47`	`jim`	`it might be libc6`
`06:14.50`	`SavannahLion`	`LOL... Yeah, I'm on it now. I'm trying to fix some minor details here and there`
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`06:15.05`	`jim`	`in that case... you definitely have libc installed :)`
`06:15.21`	`SavannahLion`	`OK, I have libc.so.6 but what package am I looking for?`
`06:15.31`	`jim`	`maybe libc6`
`06:15.46`	`jim`	`ok, now it's your turn...`
`06:15.58`	`jim`	`what is it you're trying to accomplish overall?`
`06:16.05`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, brb man..`
`06:16.05`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w], so what do I do?`
`06:16.15`	`sleestak`	`got initrd?`
`06:17.00`	`SavannahLion`	`I'm trying to figure out why Half-Life 2 is getting an error and I'm walking through a list of possible problems. Right now, I'm reading the nVidia README. There's a minimum requirements and I'm making sure they're correct`
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`06:17.18`	`jim`	`minimum requirements for what?`
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`06:18.11`	`SavannahLion`	`for compiling the nVidia drivers. I remember compiling them prior to my wiping out the drive by accident. But now I don't think it's compiling, it's just using a precompiled library. I'm making sure it's installing correctly`
`06:18.12`	`jim`	`(yes, I did hear you say half-life, but what I mean is what specific things is it requiring?)`
`06:18.26`	`SavannahLion`	`Oh hang on`
`06:18.52`	`jim`	`ok, debian lib packages usually come in pieces...`
`06:18.53`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Who was helping me?`
`06:19.10`	`jim`	`there's the piece needed to run things linked against the lib`
`06:19.25`	`jim`	`and there's the piece needed to -build- things against the lib`
`06:19.29`	`quitte`	`SavannahLion: /msg dpkg module-assistant`
`06:19.33`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Well.. whoever is was .. thanks ;)`
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`06:19.36`	`jim`	`you need both pieces`
`06:19.42`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: thanks ;)`
`06:19.46`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: works.`
`06:19.59`	`FlimFlamMan`	`er, can someone refresh me on the meaning of this line in grub: root (hd2,0) ? is that 3rd controller, first disk?`
`06:20.05`	`jim`	`usully one is called libsomething and the other is called libsomething-dev`
`06:20.08`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: no problem. and it isnt even fixed now`
`06:20.49`	`jim`	`FlimFlamMan: the number indexes a file of detected hds which are different per system`
`06:21.09`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: What do you mean?`
`06:21.12`	`pekkele`	`what error is this.. when i run my Xfce i get this error: Could not look up internet address for local. This will prevent Xfce from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding local to the file /etc/hosts on your system.`
`06:21.15`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: working now..`
`06:21.37`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: permissions in /dev are still wrong. nothing should belong to the mythtv group`
`06:21.41`	`rob_lt`	`FlimFlamMan: that should be the 3rd ide device, first partition`
`06:21.53`	`gothtec`	`Any ideas on where I should go to get help with C++?`
`06:21.55`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: if its first disk on firt controller, should be (0,0)`
`06:21.56`	`jim`	`FlimFlamMan: you can run the grub shell, within which tab key is your friend`
`06:22.01`	`SavannahLion`	`jimmy: Yeah, the minimum glibc need is 2.0. So I check and get back ls /lib/libc.so.* and it comes back with 6`
`06:22.02`	`FlimFlamMan`	`rob_lt, i have no ide drives on my machine, they're scsi raid containers...`
`06:22.02`	`jim`	`example,`
`06:22.17`	`pekkele`	`what error is this.. when i run my Xfce i get this error: Could not look up internet address for local. This will prevent Xfce from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding local to the file /etc/hosts on your system.`
`06:22.26`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: oh.. is there a list of groups and their accesses somewhere... where I can nano and change manually?`
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`06:22.41`	`jim`	`you can type into the grub shell: root (hd`
`06:22.46`	`jim`	`and then hit tab`
`06:22.56`	`jim`	`and it will show you all possible completions`
`06:23.22`	`kreg`	`http://www.wincustomize.com/articles.aspx?SID=1&AID=77378&c=1`
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`06:23.33`	`gothtec`	`pekkele: sounds to me like you wrote "local" in a place where you should have written "localhost". not that i know what you're trying to do... just a through`
`06:23.35`	`rob_lt`	`and it goes (device,partition) starting at 0`
`06:23.36`	`FlimFlamMan`	`jim, i tried that, and set the disk to (hd0,0), which i believe holds the old red hat install that i'm trying to boot - when i then try to set the kernel with tab completion it shows the current debian stuff instead of the red hat ones...`
`06:23.56`	`gothtec`	`Where can I get help with C++?`
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`06:24.15`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: I personally use udev to setup my devices as needed. but that might well break other things.`
`06:24.16`	`jim`	`FlimFlamMan: when you hit tab key on (hd what choices does it give?`
`06:24.37`	`spdf[w]`	`ricochet, comment out dri again, and restart x..`
`06:24.41`	`jim`	`gothtec: comp.lang.c++ faq`
`06:24.44`	`SavannahLion`	`jimmy: do you have an access to the transgaming forums?`
`06:24.48`	`FlimFlamMan`	`jim, hd0, hd1, hd2 - i have debian installed on hd2, and red hat installed on hd0`
`06:24.51`	`TwistedEmotions`	`quitte: so only cure is to find and kill whoever wrote mythtv`
`06:24.57`	`SavannahLion`	`damn completion... I meant jim`
`06:25.25`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: or just get a tarball with a clean sarge /dev somewhere`
`06:25.40`	`jim`	`FlimFlamMan: you can kinda broswe with the tab key and maybe find something that you recognize on the drive/partition`
`06:25.48`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: or give udev a try and install it`
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`06:26.22`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone know what the command is to start xfce panel?`
`06:26.24`	`jim`	`SavannahLion: no, but try dpkg -s libc6`
`06:26.28`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: are you running grub shell?`
`06:26.32`	`FlimFlamMan`	`jim, is the "kernel" line relative to the "root" line, or to the location of the running instance of grub?`
`06:26.34`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] ok, then what? or is that the end?`
`06:26.45`	`FlimFlamMan`	`liable, yes`
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`06:27.02`	`SavannahLion`	`whoah`
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`06:27.07`	`R0ckET`	`help me, plis, with my wireless`
`06:27.13`	`ricochet`	`spdf[w] restarting x`
`06:27.21`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: try just editing the menu file and adding the appropriate lines for kernel and root`
`06:27.24`	`jim`	`FlimFlamMan: either absolute (if you start with (hd?,?)) or relative to root, which can only be a drive and partition`
`06:27.29`	`gothtec`	`!tell R0ckET about ask`
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`06:28.19`	`quitte`	`SavannahLion: did you get an actual problem with HL2 or are you just checking before you even try to install?`
`06:28.20`	`FlimFlamMan`	`liable, jim, i thought i did that but booting gives me "kernel panic: no init found"`
`06:28.25`	`SavannahLion`	`Oh I see what it does... It tells me that it's installed OK`
`06:28.36`	`R0ckET`	`my wireless is d-link dwr-g650+ and not install in debian sarge`
`06:28.38`	`SavannahLion`	`quitte. I've got the actual problem.`
`06:28.47`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: can you paste the menu file?`
`06:28.47`	`jim`	`FlimFlamMan: the initrd needs to be loaded first`
`06:28.54`	`quitte`	`SavannahLion: what problem?`
`06:28.54`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Oh yeah... one last think I promiss... when I start xfce4... I get this wierd thing... the reason why I deleted /home/ash/ last time... xfce4-panel doesnt show up... and when I try and run manually I get the error linux@Twisted:~$ xfce4-panel Segmentation fault`
`06:28.57`	`FlimFlamMan`	`ok - one minute`
`06:29.18`	`SavannahLion`	`let me get the exact wording`
`06:29.19`	`FlimFlamMan`	`it will take a couple mins so i can boot into debian and copy it to my ws`
`06:29.22`	`spdf[w]`	`R0ckET, rev A, B, or C?`
`06:29.56`	`jim`	`how would I add a mount to fstab which is a --bind mount?`
`06:30.02`	`quitte`	`TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg segfault . and maybe just reinstalling the panel helps`
`06:30.07`	`R0ckET`	`what?? spdf`
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`06:30.18`	`spdf[w]`	`R0ckET, What revision is your wifi card?`
`06:30.19`	`SavannahLion`	`quitte: "Unable to init shader system". Common on Windows system, but apparently not as common on Linux`
`06:30.30`	`TwistedEmotions`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:30.36`	`TwistedEmotions`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:30.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`wtf`
`06:30.44`	`SavannahLion`	`Checked the the solutions for Windows, and they're not applicable to Linux`
`06:30.46`	`quitte`	`SavannahLion: that sounds a lot like a graphics problem.`
`06:30.47`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Whoops ;)`
`06:30.48`	`liable`	`hehe`
`06:30.57`	`jim`	`TwistedEmotions: yer spacing :)`
`06:31.05`	`SavannahLion`	`Yeah, that's the way I figure it. The Cedega team is more than vague about issues like this.`
`06:31.05`	`liable`	`!irritate TwistedEmotions`
`06:31.09`	`dpkg`	`TwistedEmotions: hi every1 who uses cable kk`
`06:31.12`	`quitte`	`SavannahLion: does glxinfo show direct rendering enabled at the very beginning of its output?`
`06:31.15`	`R0ckET`	`is D-Link AirPlus DWL-G650+`
`06:31.21`	`FlimFlamMan`	`jim, liable - argh, i found my problem - i had sdc specified in the root= instead of sda ... red hat is booting up now - fingers crossed...`
`06:31.33`	`SavannahLion`	`checking`
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`06:31.58`	`spdf[w]`	`R0ckET, Right.. But what revision.. There's A, B, or C...A uses a different chipset from B and C if I'm not mistaken..`
`06:32.10`	`FlimFlamMan`	`thank ya jaysus, it's working.....`
`06:32.13`	`R0ckET`	`spdf, in ubuntu live ok`
`06:32.20`	`spdf[w]`	`R0ckET, Huh?`
`06:32.20`	`SavannahLion`	`quitte: direct rendering: Yes`
`06:32.31`	`quitte`	`hmm`
`06:32.31`	`liable`	`FlimFlamMan: ++ :)`
`06:32.59`	`R0ckET`	`no found`
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`06:33.06`	`spdf[w]`	`R0ckET, What are you talking about?`
`06:33.31`	`spdf[w]`	`gothtec, Yeh, my "What the hell" alarm went off too.. :)`
`06:33.38`	`quitte`	`SavannahLion: have you tried #cedega?`
`06:33.41`	`FlimFlamMan`	`thanks for your help guys`
`06:33.45`	`SavannahLion`	`According to some solutions. I need to dial down the simulated D3D version in Cedega. It worked at 8.0 before my system went to hell so I'm leaving it there.`
`06:33.51`	`liable`	`R0ckET: whats your native language`
`06:33.51`	`SavannahLion`	`No I didn't realize there was one.`
`06:33.59`	`R0ckET`	`español`
`06:34.10`	`liable`	`!tell R0ckET about es`
`06:34.15`	`spdf[w]`	`R0ckET, join #debian-es`
`06:34.37`	`R0ckET`	`no saben como hacerlo`
`06:34.38`	`R0ckET`	`:(`
`06:34.46`	`gothtec`	`Indeed?`
`06:35.06`	`gothtec`	`I was thinking the same thing...`
`06:35.33`	`R0ckET`	`?`
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`06:35.41`	`SavannahLion`	`thanks quitte`
`06:35.50`	`liable`	`R0ckET: /j #debian-es`
`06:35.51`	`coyote10`	`hello boy`
`06:35.54`	`gothtec`	`You need to speak english in here, R0ckET, or join #debian-es`
`06:35.58`	`spdf[w]`	`liable, he's there..`
`06:36.03`	`liable`	`oh`
`06:36.08`	`coyote10`	`tu necesitas hablar ingles aqui`
`06:36.17`	`R0ckET`	`si lo se`
`06:36.18`	`R0ckET`	`ok`
`06:36.20`	`coyote10`	`R0ckET, o entra a debian-es`
`06:36.31`	`TwistedEmotions`	`How can I see a list off all the difference groups that exist on my system?`
`06:36.41`	`gothtec`	`cat /etc/group`
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`06:37.26`	`jim`	`SavannahLion: you want to be -very- careful about trying to upgrade the version of certain things... and libc6 is at the top of that list. if you try upgrading it, it could break every binary linked against it on your whole system (that would include bash)`
`06:37.29`	`coyote10`	`como puedo ver yo la lista de todos los grupos existentes en el sistema de TwistedEmotions`
`06:37.49`	`TwistedEmotions`	`coyote10: thats greeeeat.`
`06:37.51`	`SavannahLion`	`jim it looks like libc6 is already as high it goes for Sarge`
`06:37.53`	`TwistedEmotions`	`gothtec: thanks.`
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`06:38.24`	`jim`	`SavannahLion: given that sarge is frozen and presumably about to be released, I would make that guess too.`
`06:38.42`	`SavannahLion`	`"about to be released"?`
`06:38.52`	`jim`	`see /topic`
`06:39.32`	`coyote10`	`somebody can say to me.......as I see the modulos that a wireless uses`
`06:39.36`	`coyote10`	`?`
`06:39.40`	`ja0X`	`hello! i need help with a one target wireless, unto CD live recognizes me, but I want to install it in debian`
`06:39.45`	`jim`	`releasing is simply a claim that it is stable and will never get new features or new version upgrades unless absolutely necessary`
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`06:39.47`	`ja0X`	`**ubunto`
`06:39.58`	`SavannahLion`	`Strange thing to call it`
`06:40.03`	`ja0X`	`help me plz`
`06:40.23`	`spdf[w]`	`ja0X, What kind of card?`
`06:41.17`	`cafuego`	`probably one that uses the ubuntu restricted modules, which are in non-free in debian and thus not on the installer.`
`06:41.20`	`ja0X`	`dwl-650+`
`06:41.30`	`cafuego`	`ja0X: It's not supported by the installer.`
`06:41.33`	`liable`	`coyote10: you want to know what?`
`06:41.42`	`FlimFlamMan`	`i've got an smp server. do i want irqbalance ?`
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`06:42.39`	`quitte`	`what www-browser should i use for x on a slow system with only a 640x240 screen?`
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`06:43.07`	`cafuego`	`quitte: Now about 'links' on the console?`
`06:43.08`	`ja0X`	`ubunto cd live recognizes me, but I want to install it in debian`
`06:43.20`	`cafuego`	`ja0X: The debian installer doesn't support it.`
`06:43.20`	`ja0X`	`and not have support`
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`06:43.30`	`bob2`	`quitte: dillo's nice`
`06:43.34`	`quitte`	`cafuego: already got that. i want something with graphics and frames`
`06:43.35`	`bob2`	`quitte: but doesn't do CSS/java/...`
`06:43.36`	`spdf[w]`	`quitte, dillo`
`06:43.45`	`quitte`	`ok thanks`
`06:43.47`	`FlimFlamMan`	`quitte, dillo, but it doesn't support a lot of stuff`
`06:43.50`	`cafuego`	`quitte: elinks? ;-)`
`06:43.51`	`spdf[w]`	`quitte, DSL (Damn Small Linux) uses it by default, its pretty light weight..`
`06:43.52`	`coyote10`	`I want to see the modulos that one uses wireles in ubuntu-live cd?`
`06:43.55`	`jpeg`	`maybe links -g`
`06:44.01`	`ja0X`	`Debian does not support it`
`06:44.09`	`jpeg`	`links -g does frames and pics`
`06:44.10`	`FlimFlamMan`	`does dillo support tables, ssl, css, etc now?`
`06:44.12`	`liable`	`coyote10: lsmod`
`06:44.12`	`bob2`	`coyote10: #ubuntu`
`06:44.17`	`jim`	`ja0X: find out what the name of the module is (by booting the ubuntu and putting the output of lsmod in a file -after- establishing wireless connectivity`
`06:44.19`	`cafuego`	`coyote10: #ubuntu os somewhere else`
`06:44.28`	`coyote10`	`ok`
`06:44.39`	`jim`	`then tell us or someone the names of the modules`
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`06:44.43`	`coyote10`	`i am at ubuntu`
`06:44.50`	`quitte`	`links -g depends on directfb and that is seriosly broken on sh3`
`06:44.54`	`cafuego`	`ja0X: It does, but not by default. You'll need eith the acx100 driver or ndiswrapper`
`06:45.02`	`cafuego`	`coyote10: No, you're on #debian.`
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`06:45.26`	`gothtec`	`coyote10: Being in #ubuntu is not enough. You have to actually ask your questions there instead of in #debian`
`06:45.34`	`coyote10`	`ready`
`06:45.46`	`coyote10`	`i am in /j #ubuntu`
`06:45.52`	`gothtec`	`You said that.`
`06:45.52`	`coyote10`	`bye`
`06:45.57`	`spdf[w]`	`coyote10, Ask them to help you.`
`06:45.59`	`cafuego`	`coyote10: You're asking question in #debian, not in #ubuntu.`
`06:46.01`	`bob2`	`he did`
`06:46.03`	`bob2`	`and I answered`
`06:46.05`	`bob2`	`and he ignored`
`06:46.06`	`bob2`	`or she`
`06:47.00`	`spdf[w]`	`I imagine you've got a pretty big list going so far..`
`06:47.09`	`cafuego`	`ja0X: Begin by installing 'module-assistant' and running that.`
`06:47.16`	`cafuego`	`spdf[w]: Yeap.`
`06:47.34`	`cafuego`	`Well, only 38 actually`
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`06:48.42`	`jpeg`	`regarding non-free debs: do I need another line in /etc/apt/sources.list to get access to them?`
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`06:49.03`	`helix`	`hello`
`06:49.12`	`jpeg`	`e.g., deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ testing non-free ?`
`06:49.18`	`bob2`	`jpeg: yes`
`06:49.25`	`jpeg`	`thanks`
`06:49.32`	`cafuego`	`You've been awful quiet ever since they made you write python fopr a living`
`06:49.49`	`gothtec`	`People still do that?`
`06:51.32`	`jim`	`jpeg: you have a coupla choices`
`06:51.42`	`jim`	`you can add a separate line`
`06:51.51`	`jim`	`or you can put it on the same line like this`
`06:52.01`	`jpeg`	`ah...`
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`06:52.22`	`jim`	`deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ testing main contrib non-free`
`06:52.32`	`spdf[w]`	`Yaarrgh... I hate when sshd hangs when I need to get into the damn thing..`
`06:52.32`	`jpeg`	`cool.`
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`06:53.11`	`jim`	`now, if you want to go deeper and understand how to -discover- debian archives and actually form your own source lines...`
`06:53.19`	`jim`	`man 5 sources.list`
`06:53.20`	`jpeg`	`I wonder - when testing becomes stable, I'll have to s/testing/stable/ correct?`
`06:53.27`	`jim`	`will show you the two forms`
`06:53.34`	`jim`	`you can put sarge there now`
`06:53.39`	`spdf[w]`	`jpeg, if you change testing to sarge, it'll be fine...`
`06:53.52`	`jpeg`	`oh, I see. thanks gentlemen`
`06:54.05`	`jim`	`because testing is sarge now, and sarge will become stable, but will stay sarge`
`06:54.06`	`quitte`	`argh! dillo couldnt find any fonts.`
`06:54.16`	`jpeg`	`makes sense.`
`06:54.34`	`spdf[w]`	`wtf.. all of the services on the thing are down except http...`
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`06:55.51`	`FlimFlamMan`	`how does debian decide which uid to use next when adding a user?`
`06:56.08`	`bob2`	`FlimFlamMan: the next free one after 1000`
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`06:56.16`	`FlimFlamMan`	`bob2, thx`
`06:56.20`	`jim`	`FlimFlamMan: useradd does that`
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`06:56.34`	`jim`	`err no`
`06:56.41`	`SlicerDicer`	`I am trying to figure out why I cant get my sk98lin driver to be seen I am guessing I need to add it to where it works`
`06:56.54`	`bob2`	`"ad it to where it works"?`
`06:56.56`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, To be seen? by what?`
`06:57.00`	`dabreegster`	`Hey. How can I safely disconnect my usb dvd drive? Last time I unplugged the usb interface, the kernel panicked.`
`06:57.12`	`SlicerDicer`	`sk98lin is ethernet gigabit spdf[w]`
`06:57.13`	`ja0X`	`98c98`
`06:57.13`	`ja0X`	`R0ckET < yenta_socket 19584 1`
`06:57.13`	`ja0X`	`R0ckET ---`
`06:57.13`	`ja0X`	`R0ckET > yenta_socket 19584 0 this is the diferentin the list`
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`06:57.16`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, I know.`
`06:57.32`	`FlimFlamMan`	`jim, if i change the uid ranges specified in adduser.conf, does useradd recognize the change?`
`06:57.32`	`SlicerDicer`	`spdf[w]: its not seen in the main networking setup`
`06:57.34`	`liable`	`wtf`
`06:57.35`	`Ry12`	`when trying to compile mplayer "GCC 2.96 IS NOT AND WILL NOT BE SUPPORTED BY US !" TT`
`06:57.46`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, Is the module loaded atleast?`
`06:57.49`	`bob2`	`Ry12: so, don't use gcc 2.96`
`06:57.57`	`jim`	`the 1000 and up policy is implemented (I think) by adduser which feeds "-u <number>" to a call to useradd`
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`06:58.08`	`ja0X`	`this is a diferent`
`06:58.10`	`SlicerDicer`	`spdf[w]: I am trying to install the bloody OS and it wont be seen in the installer and breaks apt-setup so yeah I am left with a problem here`
`06:58.25`	`SlicerDicer`	`what we have here is a failure to communicate is what my computer is saying to me spdf[w] :P`
`06:58.26`	`Ry12`	`can i have two different versions installed?`
`06:58.30`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, Which installer?`
`06:58.35`	`bob2`	`Ry12: why would you install 2.96 at all?`
`06:58.38`	`bob2`	`it's shit and broken`
`06:58.44`	`bob2`	`and oooold`
`06:58.50`	`spdf[w]`	`Smelly too..`
`06:58.50`	`SlicerDicer`	`I dont know spdf[w] the latest installer on debian.org ISO image`
`06:58.58`	`Ry12`	`gcc --version says 3.4.3-20050110`
`06:59.00`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, d-i?`
`06:59.06`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, the Sarge installer, or woody?`
`06:59.13`	`bob2`	`Ry12: how did you run configure to compile mplayer?`
`06:59.15`	`SlicerDicer`	`spdf[w]: is it really all that complex? no matter if its sarge or woody it does not show up`
`06:59.19`	`jim`	`Ry12: 2.96 was a broken unreleased snapshot that the gcc people said "please do not release this and call it stable!" that redhat insisted on releasing, upon which Linus Torvalds tore redhat a new asshole`
`06:59.22`	`Ry12`	`./configure`
`06:59.32`	`bob2`	`Ry12: and how did you start the compile?`
`06:59.38`	`bob2`	`Ry12: do you knowingly have 2.96 installed?`
`06:59.47`	`Ry12`	`no`
`06:59.52`	`bob2`	`that is weird`
`06:59.56`	`bob2`	`is this the latest mplayer source?`
`06:59.59`	`SlicerDicer`	`spdf[w]: what I am looking at is the boot: from the cd`
`07:00.00`	`Ry12`	`yep`
`07:00.01`	`jim`	`Ry12: obviously, that compiler is not in debian. so: what dist are you running?`
`07:00.06`	`bob2`	`maybe 3.4 breaks their configure script`
`07:00.09`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, run the linux26 installation`
`07:00.10`	`bob2`	`jim: er, scroll up`
`07:00.12`	`Ry12`	`gento ><`
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`07:00.16`	`bob2`	`Ry12: wtf`
`07:00.23`	`bob2`	`Ry12: you're using gentoo?`
`07:00.25`	`SlicerDicer`	`no kernel image spdf[w]`
`07:00.58`	`gravity`	`wtf`
`07:01.05`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- Download that installer iso (netinst), it'll work..`
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`07:01.52`	`jim`	`Ry12: yes, it's possible to have more than one gcc version installed, and to have the one gcc dispatch to any of them`
`07:02.11`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, When the cd boots, use linux26`
`07:02.26`	`SlicerDicer`	`spdf[w]: so the module is not in the kernel?`
`07:02.26`	`Ry12`	`how do i configure and say which one to use`
`07:02.32`	`ja0X`	`caegarw, muchas gracias, thank you`
`07:02.36`	`gravity`	`In debian we know how, but not gentoo`
`07:02.41`	`jim`	`bob2: I suspected as much :) 2.96 was never released :)`
`07:02.43`	`SlicerDicer`	`spdf[w]: ohh well I am just going to look its got to be in there and I am just not getting it`
`07:02.52`	`Ry12`	`what would u do in debian`
`07:03.00`	`gravity`	`Dude, go get help in a channel for your distro`
`07:03.02`	`bob2`	`Ry12: #gentoo`
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`07:03.20`	`gravity`	`Gentoo has a wonderful community. I know this because the gentoo people tell us about it all the time.`
`07:03.22`	`SlicerDicer`	`Ry12: dude I am a gentoo user stop trolling you will piss alot people off`
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`07:03.57`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, Do what you gotta do...`
`07:04.16`	`SlicerDicer`	`so I have to download that extra image to get sk98lin support?`
`07:04.25`	`SlicerDicer`	`and waste a cd for a 8.1mb cd image?`
`07:04.28`	`SlicerDicer`	`aint that kinda crazy?`
`07:04.43`	`jim`	`Ry12: I would find out why it's seeing 2.96... also, I would make sure I have a supported compiler installed...`
`07:05.09`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, 100mb...`
`07:05.20`	`SlicerDicer`	`I dont see that please send me a link to the ftp`
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`07:05.27`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, Try bf24 at the install prompt..`
`07:05.36`	`SlicerDicer`	`sec`
`07:05.53`	`Ry12`	`emerge mplayer works fine, im doing it manually cause i want support for allcodecs`
`07:05.54`	`jim`	`SlicerDicer: you want woody?`
`07:06.19`	`bob2`	`Ry12: why are you even in here?`
`07:06.24`	`SlicerDicer`	`jim: I dont really care right now I just want my ethernet to be seen`
`07:06.26`	`bob2`	`Ry12: you have a gentoo problem, ask in #gentoo`
`07:06.30`	`Ry12`	`cause no 1 answers my questions in gentoo`
`07:06.41`	`jim`	`Ry12: try this... emerge mplayer, then find out how emerge works and how it runs the configure`
`07:06.43`	`gravity`	`Post it to the messageboard`
`07:07.00`	`silverton`	`!1`
`07:07.07`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, I'm pretty sure its not going to work unless you get the Sarge install, it has a newer kernel.. The Woody default is 2.2, and bf24 is 2.4.18`
`07:07.10`	`jim`	`then you want to alter the configure step and rebuild`
`07:07.11`	`SlicerDicer`	`jim: my module does not exist on this stupid disk its making me go ARGH!!! I just wasted a cd downloading the latest image this is why I did not use debian before is cause my hardware that I have had for yes 2 years is not supported`
`07:07.13`	`silverton`	`=-o! dpkg doesn' thave a tripper for '1' ???`
`07:07.15`	`Ry12`	`ok ill look at the ebuild`
`07:07.16`	`bob2`	`Ry12: sorry, you have a gentoo problem`
`07:07.25`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, Dude, http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso`
`07:07.29`	`silverton`	`*trigger`
`07:07.30`	`bob2`	`Ry12: go make use of the awesome gentoo community we hear so much about`
`07:07.33`	`spdf[w]`	`SlicerDicer, 100mb. Download it. Burn it. It'll work.`
`07:07.34`	`SlicerDicer`	`spdf[w]: how the hell is it need to be new? I have had this bloody ethernet card for over 2 years`
`07:07.50`	`jim`	`SlicerDicer: do you need support for that particular hardware in order to -install-?`
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`07:08.06`	`silverton`	`SlicerDicer, seriously, get the 100mb testing net install cd image, it works wonders`
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`07:08.39`	`Ry12`	`im jsut trying out gentoo to see what its like, i like debian more so far`
`07:08.43`	`FlimFlamMan`	`did i hear correctly on c-span that microsoft is pushing for US patents to go from "first-to-invent" to "first-to-file" ? and if so, wouldn't that make "prior art" useless in challenging patents?`
`07:09.02`	`silverton`	`Ry12, but you are having issues`
`07:09.07`	`silverton`	`that we, as debian users, cannot help you with`
`07:09.09`	`gravity`	`Ry12: Install Debian and then we'll help. You have a gentoo problem, and thus you should make use of their community`
`07:09.13`	`silverton`	`so, do us a favor and /join #gentoo`
`07:09.25`	`bob2`	`Ry12: that's awesome, but your problem is gentoo-specific`
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`07:09.34`	`jim`	`SlicerDicer: sarge and the new debian-installer has made a lot of progress in the area of autodetecting hardware`
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`07:10.33`	`quitte`	`can someone suggest a mail cliebt for x that fits a 640x240 screen?`
`07:10.47`	`jim`	`mail`
`07:10.51`	`pureone`	`mutt ?`
`07:10.52`	`jim`	`mutt`
`07:10.58`	`jim`	`mh`
`07:11.07`	`bob2`	`mutt in 80x25 is kinda arse`
`07:11.26`	`jim`	`then run it in 80x24 :)`
`07:11.41`	`gravity`	`I run it in less than 25`
`07:12.07`	`jim`	`yes, I know, you're saying to run it in much larger window`
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`07:12.25`	`quitte`	`i meant a real x application`
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`07:14.33`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Still getting linux@Twisted:~$ xfce4-panel`
`07:14.33`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Segmentation fault`
`07:14.44`	`naoliv`	`Will Debian Sarge release date be postponed one more week?`
`07:14.54`	`TwistedEmotions`	`dpkg segmentation didnt help.. I didnt know how to fix it..`
`07:14.59`	`gravity`	`naoliv: Not likely at all`
`07:15.36`	`bob2`	`TwistedEmotions: you can't fix it, in general`
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`07:15.36`	`bob2`	`TwistedEmotions: it's usually a program bug, somtimes bad ram or hard disk`
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`07:15.36`	`naoliv`	`gravity: I saw now the RC bugs, and there is still a lot...`
`07:15.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`bob2: I tried to reinstall package too... how can I fix this?`
`07:15.50`	`gravity`	`naoliv: Sarge can release with a few RC bugs`
`07:16.19`	`bob2`	`TwistedEmotions: as above`
`07:16.26`	`TwistedEmotions`	`damn..`
`07:16.39`	`naoliv`	`gravity: I thought that there couldn't be RC to release...`
`07:16.56`	`naoliv`	`It's good to know this.`
`07:17.04`	`gravity`	`naoliv: It's basically up to the release management team as to what to do about the release`
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`07:17.09`	`gravity`	`They release when they feel it's ready`
`07:17.15`	`bob2`	`gravity: how's it looking?`
`07:17.30`	`TwistedEmotions`	`bob2: Is there some way I can get xfce4 run a command when it boots? because xfce4-panel works when I run it as sudo..`
`07:17.50`	`gravity`	`Pretty good`
`07:17.54`	`naoliv`	`gravity: OK. Thanks!`
`07:17.59`	`jim`	`naoliv: sometimes an rc bug is unfixable, and the involved packages (1) otherwise work, and (2) are too important to remove`
`07:18.20`	`bob2`	`TwistedEmotions: er`
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`07:18.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`bob2: heh... ;) dont trip.. thanks for your help...`
`07:18.40`	`bob2`	`TwistedEmotions: does moving your ~/.xfce or whatever dir out of the way make it work?`
`07:18.54`	`naoliv`	`jim, if a package is not important and has RC, it's removed, right?`
`07:19.07`	`jim`	`that's possible.`
`07:19.21`	`TwistedEmotions`	`bob2: Dont know what that means..?`
`07:19.33`	`bob2`	`TwistedEmotions: which bit do you not understand?`
`07:19.55`	`TwistedEmotions`	`moving my ~/.xfce What do you mean.. what do you want me to move?`
`07:20.10`	`TwistedEmotions`	`and where should I move it?`
`07:20.17`	`spdf[w]`	`TwistedEmotions, somewhere not in ~...`
`07:20.25`	`spdf[w]`	`TwistedEmotions, Rename it even..`
`07:20.28`	`jim`	`maybe the RC only affects the package itself, in which case a remove is possible... or, that it affects other packages, so they would really consider removing it`
`07:20.52`	`gravity`	`Some packages can be fixed later if the RC bug isn't that critical`
`07:21.07`	`jim`	`but having made all those guesses, it all comes down to the fact they decide what they want to do`
`07:21.13`	`gravity`	`Or even if it is, but the package isn't that critical, or is too difficult to fix in time`
`07:21.49`	`jim`	`most of the energy has to be directed to the release`
`07:22.02`	`jim`	`else it won't happen :P`
`07:22.28`	`jasoncohen`	`gravity, so major bug fixes are introduced after a stable release is made?`
`07:22.29`	`silverton`	`RC == Release Critical?`
`07:22.37`	`jim`	`yes`
`07:22.42`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: Security and RC bugs, yes`
`07:22.53`	`gravity`	`Which means only really major bugs`
`07:23.09`	`jim`	`jasoncohen: in the form of point releases and security fixes`
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`07:23.58`	`jasoncohen`	`jim, are RC bug fixes only introduced through point releases like woody r6 for example or is it done in a "when it's ready" process like with security updates?`
`07:24.22`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: Point releases`
`07:24.40`	`jim`	`depends on the importance and on other factors, like: is there enough other stuff to be included in a point release`
`07:25.48`	`jim`	`if an rc bug is also a security bug, it might be fixed and diseminated from security.d.o`
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`07:27.06`	`jasoncohen`	`gravity, testing is currently receiving security updates, correct, and at least for the immediate future, that's not going to change?`
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`07:27.47`	`gravity`	`jasoncohen: I don't know. Sarge will continue to receive updates. Testing potentially can, but I don't know if it will at first.`
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`07:28.10`	`jasoncohen`	`gravity, any idea when that decision will be made and who would make it?`
`07:29.27`	`jim`	`usually a maint would request from the release team`
`07:29.27`	`gravity`	`Some vague ideas about the latter, but not the former`
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`07:30.21`	`SlicerDicer`	`jim: thats cool sorry kinda went afk hehe`
`07:30.43`	`SlicerDicer`	`jim: do you know when 64bit AMD will be supported?`
`07:31.01`	`jim`	`it isn't now?`
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`07:31.28`	`jasoncohen`	`isn't it supported in testing now?`
`07:31.48`	`jasoncohen`	`and thus will be a supported architecture in sarge`
`07:32.09`	`bob2`	`no`
`07:32.17`	`bob2`	`amd64 is not an "official" debian arch`
`07:32.22`	`bob2`	`and thus isn't on ftp.debian.org`
`07:32.28`	`bob2`	`and won't get support from the debian security team`
`07:32.32`	`naoliv`	`jim, SlicerDicer, jasoncohen: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/`
`07:32.54`	`Wibble-`	`hi... I've got problems installing a samsung USB laser printer (which is supported under linux (!))... I installed the drivers samsung provided, and it appears to have added the printer correctly to CUPS. However, every job I send to the printer dissapears straight away and doesn't get printed. Additionally, if I cat a file and pipe it to /dev/usb/lp0, the printer warms up as if its about to print, then does nothing... does anyone have any ideas?`
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`07:35.20`	`SlicerDicer`	`jim: it seems that the new autodetect is similar to ubuntu`
`07:35.48`	`jim`	`dunno myself`
`07:35.50`	`bob2`	`er`
`07:35.58`	`bob2`	`debian had hotplug before ubuntu existed`
`07:36.45`	`SlicerDicer`	`of course bob2 but I am saying its similar to what I saw with it`
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`07:37.43`	`SlicerDicer`	`I am considering debian cause that is what its based on`
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`07:38.14`	`SlicerDicer`	`I would really like to do 64bit debian but I am not quite sure how good it is on package support`
`07:38.14`	`b0nn`	`hi all, Im having trouble understanding debians crontab`
`07:38.29`	`bob2`	`SlicerDicer: it runs almost all Free software fine`
`07:38.35`	`bob2`	`b0nn: it's the same as everyone else's crontab`
`07:38.44`	`bob2`	`SlicerDicer: if you want proprietary junk, stay with i386`
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`07:38.49`	`b0nn`	`bob2: nope`
`07:38.58`	`jim`	`b0nn: man 5 crontab`
`07:39.06`	`jim`	`understand away :)`
`07:39.07`	`bob2`	`b0nn: how do you think it is different?`
`07:39.10`	`b0nn`	`bob2 I can get things running on slackwares crontab easy.. debians is giving me a headache`
`07:39.12`	`SlicerDicer`	`bob2: well do I have to run a chroot?`
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`07:39.18`	`bob2`	`SlicerDicer: no`
`07:39.23`	`bob2`	`SlicerDicer: only if you want proprietary junk`
`07:39.29`	`SlicerDicer`	`such as?`
`07:39.32`	`jim`	`so who's implementation is it?`
`07:39.39`	`b0nn`	`I have googled and manned myself out... and now im asking in irc`
`07:39.57`	`bob2`	`b0nn: perhaps you could explain in what way you think it is different...`
`07:40.13`	`jim`	`b0nn: so ask what you're having trouble with`
`07:40.19`	`b0nn`	`if I change /etc/crontab to -u root then i get /bin/sh errors as it tries to run the command 'root'`
`07:40.30`	`SlicerDicer`	`bob2: what do you classify proprietary junk?`
`07:40.32`	`jim`	`(you started out trolling, which didn't help your case much)`
`07:40.36`	`b0nn`	`if I crontab -r then I cant edit crontab to run my script`
`07:40.53`	`bob2`	`SlicerDicer: things that are proprietary`
`07:41.01`	`bob2`	`SlicerDicer: e.g. sun's java, windows dlls, matlab, etc`
`07:41.15`	`SlicerDicer`	`ohh goody...`
`07:41.20`	`jim`	`b0nn: btw, wht is it different from?`
`07:41.35`	`b0nn`	`is the _only_ way to add a new crontab entry.. to enter it as a user?`
`07:41.35`	`SlicerDicer`	`I guess that means I will be kludging debian 64bit if I use it lol`
`07:42.00`	`b0nn`	`jim.. man 5 crontab on slackware`
`07:42.32`	`bob2`	`b0nn: you know the different between the system crontab and normal ones, right?`
`07:42.32`	`jim`	`what crontab implementation is used there?`
`07:42.40`	`bob2`	`SlicerDicer: why?`
`07:42.51`	`SlicerDicer`	`bob2: cause I refuse to run a chroot`
`07:42.53`	`b0nn`	`bob2.. not really.. but I was hoping to run my script as a system crontab`
`07:43.17`	`jim`	`b0nn: then you'll need to understand the file format`
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`07:43.24`	`JohnnyST`	`Hi I am using rsync on sarge I get this on the server quite often: rsync error: timeout in data send/receive (code 30) at io.c(181)`
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`07:43.35`	`spdf`	`Christ.. NEver though sshd would unhang..`
`07:43.38`	`jim`	`and the way to get it is read the man page`
`07:43.42`	`Wibble-`	`Does anyone have USB printer experience who can help me?`
`07:44.01`	`bob2`	`SlicerDicer: you don't need a chroot unless you're running proprietary crap. if you care about that, just stay on i386.`
`07:44.11`	`JohnnyST`	`It looks like the rsync process gets stuck.`
`07:44.12`	`bob2`	`JohnnyST: probably network fuckage`
`07:44.24`	`bob2`	`b0nn: show us the line you put in /etc/crontab`
`07:44.45`	`SlicerDicer`	`bob2: umm why? I havent used 32bit on my 64bit CPU since november :)`
`07:44.49`	`JohnnyST`	`bob2, anyting I can do to workaround it?`
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`07:45.26`	`b0nn`	`/10 * * * root test-e /usr/sbin/anacron \|\| run-parts --report /etc/cron.tenner`
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`07:45.38`	`b0nn`	`oops theres a space between test and -e`
`07:45.38`	`jaggi`	`hi :)`
`07:45.50`	`jaggi`	`what do I need to install to get my mysql headers for .c development?`
`07:45.50`	`JohnnyST`	`bob2, it seems like on the client side there where packages in que when I did netstst and the process was stuck.`
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`07:46.25`	`bob2`	`SlicerDicer: so why on earth do you want a chroot`
`07:46.31`	`bob2`	`b0nn: and that's in /etc/crontab?`
`07:46.33`	`jaggi`	`using aptitude I've tried installing the libmysqlclient##-dev packages.. but dpkg -L doesn't seem to recognize them as installed...`
`07:46.47`	`b0nn`	`bob2: yup, along with \n on the end`
`07:46.49`	`jaggi`	`further, dpkg -l \| grep libmysqlcl seems to crop the name`
`07:47.01`	`bob2`	`jaggi: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l \| grep libmysql`
`07:47.15`	`SlicerDicer`	`bob2: umm... I dont thats what I am getting at... I dont want to have to run a chroot for what you call the junk... so I was wondering if it was required or not or if I would have to do a bit of kludging to make it work`
`07:47.57`	`jaggi`	`bob, nice, thanks...`
`07:48.05`	`jaggi`	`the -dev ones aren't installed.. wonder what's going on`
`07:48.18`	`bob2`	`b0nn: well, very very similar ones works fine for me in /etc/crontab`
`07:48.26`	`bob2`	`b0nn: e.g. 17 * * * * root run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly`
`07:48.37`	`b0nn`	`yes`
`07:48.49`	`b0nn`	`the default ones work fine on mine`
`07:48.58`	`b0nn`	`its the new on I added thats not working`
`07:49.08`	`jaggi`	`there we go, now it's in..`
`07:49.10`	`b0nn`	`s/on/one`
`07:49.18`	`jaggi`	`not sure why I had to go install them so many times (using aptitude)`
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`07:49.40`	`quitte`	`maybe cron just has to be restarted?`
`07:49.51`	`jaggi`	`how've you been bob?`
`07:50.16`	`jim`	`bonn: that crontab entry you posted says "if the anacron file does NOT exist, do the run-parts"`
`07:50.24`	`b0nn`	`cron has been restarted and reloaded`
`07:51.00`	`b0nn`	`jim: its _exactly_ the same for the working ones`
`07:51.10`	`jim`	`is that what you want?`
`07:51.35`	`b0nn`	`I want it to work`
`07:51.48`	`b0nn`	`it _looks_ like I am going to have to setup a user crontab`
`07:51.51`	`bob2`	`b0nn: show us your whole /etc/crontab`
`07:52.05`	`jim`	`paste it to rafb.net/paste`
`07:52.13`	`b0nn`	`# /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab`
`07:52.13`	`b0nn`	# Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab'
`07:52.13`	`b0nn`	`# command to install the new version when you edit this file.`
`07:52.13`	`b0nn`	`# This file also has a username field, that none of the other crontabs do.`
`07:52.13`	`b0nn`	`SHELL=/bin/sh`
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`07:52.39`	`bob2`	`b0nn: in #flood or on a website or ...`
`07:52.39`	`b0nn`	`hehehehe`
`07:52.41`	`b0nn`	`wasnt thinking`
`07:52.44`	`jim`	`what part of "paste it to rafb.net/paste" didn't you get :)`
`07:52.59`	`b0nn`	`jim are you the resident troll?`
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`07:53.42`	`jim`	`you're trolling enough for the both of us as evidenced by the form of your comments throughout this exchange`
`07:53.42`	`streuner__`	`b0nn: read what he told you`
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`07:53.55`	`b0nn`	`anyways.. im out.. im going down the user crontab path`
`07:54.02`	`jim`	`you're not willing to read and understand`
`07:54.05`	`b0nn`	`jim..ashat`
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`07:54.12`	`b0nn`	`asshat*`
`07:54.16`	`jim`	`you have an attitude problem on -top- of that`
`07:54.20`	`liable`	`b0nn: not smart`
`07:54.21`	`bob2`	`please stop it`
`07:54.23`	`bob2`	`both of you`
`07:54.30`	`streuner__`	`he is gone`
`07:55.00`	`bob2`	`bah`
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`07:56.11`	`jim`	`bob2: don't worry about him too much, he'll fail to understand because he won't try, and he won't demonstrate understanding to anyone`
`07:56.18`	`bob2`	`I'm worried abotu you`
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`07:57.24`	`jim`	`and therefore he won't progress and he will be difficult in his attitude towards helpers (as we saw) and even without that, will be difficult to help because he is evidently unwilling to learn even here`
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`07:58.09`	`jim`	`he has to deal with that, he has to discover that in himself before he can break out`
`07:58.18`	`bob2`	`so, just don't do it again`
`07:58.41`	`jim`	`do what? call him on his attitude?`
`07:58.48`	`streuner__`	`jim: he is gone, no need to explain...`
`07:58.49`	`jim`	`I'm not getting paid for this`
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`07:59.07`	`jim`	`so I decide how to deal.`
`07:59.10`	`streuner__`	`jim: keep in mind its sunday ;-)`
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`07:59.17`	`simonrvn`	`jaggi: www.mysql.com iirc`
`07:59.19`	`MobyTurbo`	`!sing sunday`
`07:59.19`	`dpkg`	`Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play...`
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`08:00.29`	`jim`	`if that's not ok, ban me now, and lose a damn good helper.`
`08:00.57`	`streuner`	`nobody bans you`
`08:01.03`	`streuner`	`calm down`
`08:01.09`	`jaggi`	`seems there are some user-contributed manpages somewhere..`
`08:01.23`	`jaggi`	`doesn't make sense to me (that mysql doesn't provide them)...`
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`08:01.39`	`jaggi`	`for the sql routines, btw.`
`08:01.40`	`jim`	`jaggi: it's split up into many package`
`08:02.01`	`jim`	`not everyone needs, for example, a C interface to mysql`
`08:02.21`	`jaggi`	`nod.. just that I don't think mysql.com provides them at all`
`08:02.29`	`jaggi`	`http://dev.mysql.com/doc/internals/en/man-directory.html`
`08:02.36`	`jaggi`	`so, I'm scouting around for the user-contributed ones`
`08:03.11`	`jim`	`jaggi: I don't know about mysql much because I don't use it... but: does it have libs?`
`08:03.36`	`SlicerDicer`	`jaggi: what are you attempting to locate or do?`
`08:03.46`	`SlicerDicer`	`I may be able to direct you to where you need to look :)`
`08:04.37`	`jaggi`	`jim, do you do any web development?`
`08:04.40`	`jim`	`yes`
`08:04.50`	`jaggi`	`slicer, :) trying to find some manpages for mysql..`
`08:05.00`	`jim`	`but I use an acid-compliant db`
`08:05.14`	`jaggi`	`it's convenient for programming to have them readily available as manpages (vs. going to the browser)`
`08:05.21`	`jaggi`	`oh.. what's acid-compliant?`
`08:05.33`	`jim`	`one sec, I'll get you the defs`
`08:05.40`	`jaggi`	`we've been using straight BerkeleyDB for many years, and I'm converting to using an SQL db from now on`
`08:05.50`	`SlicerDicer`	`ahh ok jaggi`
`08:06.05`	`naoliv`	`jim, jaggi: atomic, consistent, isolated, and durable (ACID)`
`08:06.12`	`bob2`	`jaggi: it means it won't lose data`
`08:06.15`	`bob2`	`ie postgres`
`08:06.51`	`jaggi`	`oh.. mysql might lose data?`
`08:07.02`	`jaggi`	`I was debating between using postgresql and mysql for a long time`
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`08:07.16`	`jaggi`	`I've not yet made the switch, and I've only gotten a wee bit of mysql code in this program so far..`
`08:07.26`	`bob2`	`if you want a Real DB, use postgres`
`08:07.36`	`bob2`	`if you want a quick way to store data for simple web stuff, mysql is fine`
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`08:08.17`	`jaggi`	`postgres would be a bit slower (this is for a high volume site, so it's important).. but data loss is also very important! :)`
`08:08.28`	`bob2`	`it depends`
`08:08.33`	`bob2`	`for some things, postgres is faster`
`08:08.50`	`jaggi`	`I wonder if I can program and design this to use the functionality which is faster`
`08:09.20`	`bob2`	`I'd be pretty impressed if you could find the speed difference between them on modern hardware`
`08:09.56`	`jaggi`	`well, I'll be pushing them to the limit`
`08:10.08`	`bob2`	`really?`
`08:10.16`	`jim`	`found it`
`08:10.17`	`bob2`	`how many times do you think you'll hit the db per second?`
`08:10.20`	`jaggi`	`my site gets 30 million hits per month, and the more data access I can do, the more I will likely be doing`
`08:10.21`	`jim`	`http://philip.greenspun.com/panda/databases-choosing.html`
`08:10.28`	`jaggi`	`on mondays and tuesdays, bob? :)`
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`08:10.50`	`jaggi`	`maybe 20-ish per second`
`08:10.56`	`jaggi`	`that's hits`
`08:10.57`	`jim`	`so you will need pooled connections at minimum`
`08:11.08`	`FlimFlamMan`	`so, sarge is testing, soon to be released, and thus soon to be stable?`
`08:11.15`	`liable`	`yes`
`08:11.19`	`jim`	`FlimFlamMan: exactly`
`08:11.20`	`streuner`	`read /topic`
`08:11.22`	`jaggi`	`and the easier it is for me to do data access, the more I'll be doing... I am forced to design with this in mind...`
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`08:11.40`	`FlimFlamMan`	`so sarge, soon to be stable, is an ok choice for server over woody?`
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`08:11.49`	`MobyTurbo`	`!topicsmite FlimFlamMan`
`08:11.50`	`dpkg`	`And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon FlimFlamMan. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.`
`08:11.57`	`streuner`	`FlimFlamMan: yep`
`08:12.05`	`jaggi`	`for example, will I have to do logging of access, and periodic (cron jobs or server) processing of the data? So I have to decide between which information can be handled in which way.`
`08:12.06`	`jim`	`FlimFlamMan: presumably... but see BTS`
`08:12.13`	`bob2`	`jaggi: 20 per second isn't very much`
`08:12.14`	`streuner`	`FlimFlamMan: in short we use sarge for our servers nowadays`
`08:12.16`	`jaggi`	`jim, what's a pooled connection?`
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`08:12.20`	`bob2`	`jaggi: on a modern system`
`08:12.28`	`jaggi`	`bob, 20 hits per second.. could come out to some large multiple of that`
`08:12.29`	`FlimFlamMan`	`thx`
`08:12.44`	`jim`	`jaggi: you don't want to be opening and closing connections to your database every time you hit`
`08:12.48`	`jaggi`	`have to load the messageboard's configuration, also the message database... also a user-account database.. also an ad database`
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`08:12.50`	`jaggi`	`(or tables)`
`08:12.52`	`jim`	`(1) takes too long`
`08:13.01`	`jim`	`(2) otherwise expensive`
`08:13.14`	`jaggi`	`doesn't postgresql somehow pool this for my efficiency?`
`08:13.25`	`jim`	`not necessarily`
`08:13.27`	`jaggi`	`timing out and closing them when nothing requests [from them] for a while?`
`08:13.40`	`jim`	`ad nauseous?`
`08:13.42`	`jaggi`	`simonrvn, it lets us provide the service for free to the public`
`08:13.52`	`MobyTurbo`	`ad nauseum`
`08:13.56`	`simonrvn`	`yeh yeh...`
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`08:14.05`	`rindolf`	`Hi all!`
`08:14.08`	`jaggi`	`simon, and we don't have popups, and basically just one ad at the top..`
`08:14.22`	`rindolf`	`Which package should I install in Debian Woody to get the PHP var_export() function?`
`08:14.32`	`simonrvn`	`i don't run ads. and it's still free.`
`08:14.34`	`jim`	`jaggi: take a look at greenpeace.org`
`08:14.56`	`jim`	`and wgbh.org, and scorecard.org`
`08:14.57`	`jaggi`	`what about it?`
`08:15.17`	`jim`	`they have in common a particular toolkit`
`08:15.27`	`MobyTurbo`	`rindolf: do you need a newer PHP? It might be a good time to upgrade to sarge if so, rather than use backports.`
`08:15.49`	`streuner`	`!upgrade tests`
`08:15.49`	`dpkg`	`Upgrade Tests - It is recommended to read the release notes before upgrading, and in particular Chapter 4, "Upgrades from previous releases". upgrade report template to help when reporting problems with the upgrades (http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html). If you do run into problems please fill it out, and email it to submit@bugs.debian.org, thanks.`
`08:16.02`	`jim`	`the one described in the book "Philip and Alex's Guide to Web Publishing"`
`08:16.09`	`simonrvn`	`oh yeh, tomorrow...`
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`08:17.00`	`rindolf`	`MobyTurbo: yes, I found it is only available in newer PHPs.`
`08:17.07`	`rindolf`	`MobyTurbo: where can I find the backport?`
`08:17.37`	`streuner`	`rindolf: no need to`
`08:17.42`	`jaggi`	`jim, something to pool connections you mean?`
`08:17.44`	`streuner`	`rindolf: just install sarge`
`08:17.58`	`streuner`	`rindolf: s/install/upgrade to/`
`08:18.00`	`jaggi`	`are you familiar with plain dbms? (key/value pair dbs)`
`08:18.21`	`MobyTurbo`	`!tell rindolv about woody->sarge`
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`08:18.27`	`MobyTurbo`	`!tell rindolf about woody->sarge`
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`08:18.33`	`MobyTurbo`	`oops`
`08:18.46`	`chris_`	`i can't seem to get nvidia-glx to work on 2.6.11`
`08:18.57`	`jaggi`	`like gdbm and berkeleydb ?`
`08:19.02`	`jim`	`jaggi: pooled connections is this: when you bring your site up, one of the firest things it does is open a number of connections to the database, each open returns a "handle" to the connection`
`08:19.06`	`jaggi`	`ndbm on some other os's ...`
`08:19.06`	`streuner`	`chris: did you read bts?`
`08:19.14`	`streuner`	`!info nvidia-gls`
`08:19.16`	`jim`	`these handles are stored in a pool`
`08:19.17`	`streuner`	`!info nvidia-glx`
`08:19.18`	`rindolf`	`streuner: I'm going to install Sarge soon enough, but meanwhile I need to get the fscking MediaWiki to operate.`
`08:19.18`	`dpkg`	`nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB`
`08:19.46`	`MobyTurbo`	`rindolf: if you plan on upgrading to Sarge, installing backports will make that process messy.`
`08:19.59`	`SerajewelKS`	`streuner i can't get nvidia-kernel-source to compile under 2.6`
`08:20.03`	`jaggi`	`jim, seems like something the web server (apache in my case) would handle... however, take a look at http://www.sourceforge.net/voydb/`
`08:20.03`	`rindolf`	`streuner: I was told that it was good idea to be near the machine when it is upgraded.`
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`08:20.17`	`rindolf`	`MobyTurbo: can't I install just the php-related backports?`
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`08:20.22`	`jim`	`when you want to access the db, what you do is pick up a connection from the pool, jam sql down it, grab results from it, make sure it's reset (NOT closed) so it's ready to use, then return the handle to the pool`
`08:20.26`	`brdd`	`hey, what's a good program to view .ps files?`
`08:20.30`	`SerajewelKS`	`the nvidia module was working on 2.6.8 however, it just won't compile on 2.6.11`
`08:20.35`	`MobyTurbo`	`rindolf: yes, but that means dist-upgrade won't work smoothly.`
`08:20.36`	`SerajewelKS`	`brdd ghostview`
`08:20.46`	`streuner`	`brdd: gs`
`08:20.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`is it even possible to get the nvidia module working on 2.6.11?`
`08:21.07`	`jim`	`yes, a web server or module could handle that.`
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`08:22.13`	`streuner`	`SerajewelKS: search on groups.google.com, if its possible or not`
`08:22.42`	`streuner`	`SerajewelKS: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1' say?`
`08:23.05`	`simonrvn`	`built fine here`
`08:23.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`2.3.2.ds1-22`
`08:23.31`	`streuner`	`well, he prolly use sarge`
`08:23.33`	`SerajewelKS`	`the module compiles fine`
`08:23.40`	`streuner`	`so you use sarge or sid?`
`08:23.40`	`silverton`	`dear god!`
`08:23.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`but it will not insert into the kernel`
`08:23.42`	`SerajewelKS`	`sarge`
`08:23.54`	`streuner`	`hm, vanilla kernel?`
`08:23.57`	`silverton`	`I didn't think that installing debian on a 486 66mhz would take longer then installing gentoo on my athlon xp 2400`
`08:24.01`	`simonrvn`	`ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.11.10-no 1.0.7174`
`08:24.05`	`SerajewelKS`	`freshly-installed 2.6.11`
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`08:24.25`	`streuner`	`SerajewelKS: there is no 2.6.11 kernel in sarge`
`08:24.25`	`jim`	`jaggi: are you using cgi to run scripts? or what?`
`08:24.28`	`marcel_`	`how do i convert divx to vob files for DVD?`
`08:24.32`	`simonrvn`	`66mhz is slow for any arch`
`08:24.34`	`SerajewelKS`	`streuner, i installed it from sid`
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`08:24.42`	`streuner`	`argh`
`08:25.09`	`silverton`	`simonrvn, werd...`
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`08:25.11`	`simonrvn`	`agpgart 35112 3 intel_agp,nvidia_agp,nvidia`
`08:25.17`	`MobyTurbo`	`!bobitt`
`08:25.21`	`jaggi`	`yes, believe it or not, my site is still an actual compiled C cgi`
`08:25.24`	`SerajewelKS`	`nvidia_agp loads fine`
`08:25.26`	`simonrvn`	`bb`
`08:25.26`	`SerajewelKS`	`but not nvidia`
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`08:25.53`	`simonrvn`	`bobbitt is only woody and sarge or sid shit mixed in together`
`08:25.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`after compiling nvidia-kernel-source and trying to modprobe nvidia it says "invalid module format"`
`08:26.09`	`jim`	`so every time you get a hit, the server box loads that c prog from disk?`
`08:26.17`	`MobyTurbo`	`simonrvn: he's mixing a non-sarge kernel with sarge`
`08:26.20`	`simonrvn`	`do you have module-init-tools installed?`
`08:26.33`	`streuner`	`dpkg depends kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686`
`08:26.36`	`jaggi`	`nah, hits are happening so frequently that the cgi is going to be cached`
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`08:26.36`	`dpkg`	`kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686: depends on initrd-tools (>= 0.1.76), coreutils \| fileutils (>= 4.0), module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13)`
`08:26.39`	`SerajewelKS`	`simonrvn yes`
`08:26.41`	`simonrvn`	`the kernel build process needs it. the modutils one won't work`
`08:27.33`	`jim`	`jaggi: there are more modern methods than cgi to do what you're after`
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`08:28.38`	`jim`	`maybe you don't get disk access from the loading, but your system does a fork and an exec per hit (if each hit goes to the cgi)`
`08:28.45`	`SerajewelKS`	`is there an nvidia-kernel-2.6.11 package? i can't find one on packages.debian.org`
`08:29.04`	`simonrvn`	`there won't be`
`08:29.05`	`SerajewelKS`	`2.4.27 is the only one that shows up`
`08:29.13`	`jaggi`	`yeah, it sure does`
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`08:29.34`	`jaggi`	`not sure exactly how much overhead a fork and exec are anymore... not in comparison to the awful disk access methods I'm currently using`
`08:29.37`	`SerajewelKS`	`so how can i properly compile this? =/`
`08:29.41`	`jaggi`	`which may be far worse overhead :)`
`08:29.46`	`valdyn`	`!nvidia one-liner`
`08:29.46`	`dpkg`	`well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>`
`08:30.14`	`jaggi`	`so I want to address these issues and fix them one by one.. the software is old and been in use since 1997/98`
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`08:30.23`	`SerajewelKS`	`nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-2.4.27`
`08:30.30`	`YaleR`	`anyone know where a mouse plugged into a comm port would be located?`
`08:30.34`	`SerajewelKS`	`and i don't have 2.4.27`
`08:30.39`	`valdyn`	`!depends nvidia-glx`
`08:30.40`	`dpkg`	`nvidia-glx: depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174, xserver-common (>= 4.0.3), xlibmesa-glu \| libglu \| libglu1, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libx11-6 \| xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 \| xlibs (>> 4.1.0)`
`08:30.48`	`jaggi`	`but I've been busy taking care of my wife and involved in studies of mankind, the self, etc. for years.. it's been difficult to focus on work`
`08:31.03`	`valdyn`	`SerajewelKS: no it does not`
`08:31.08`	`jaggi`	`especially because of my wife (who has a disability)`
`08:31.21`	`SerajewelKS`	`valdyn, now just check and see what provides nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174`
`08:31.47`	`jaggi`	`although she's the boss.. the site was her idea`
`08:31.54`	`valdyn`	`SerajewelKS: nvidia-kernel-2.4.27 and nvidia-kernel-2.4.whatever and nvidia-kernel-whatever`
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`08:32.13`	`SerajewelKS`	`valdyn, exactly`
`08:32.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`and there is no nvidia-kernel-2.6.11, at least not on packages.debian.org`
`08:32.32`	`valdyn`	`SerajewelKS: m-a a-i nvidia takes care of this`
`08:32.45`	`valdyn`	`SerajewelKS: so why dont you use the nvidia one-liner?`
`08:33.22`	`SerajewelKS`	`because it fails`
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`08:33.39`	`orionis`	`hi.`
`08:33.42`	`SlicerDicer`	`question for you guys why does sarge not use xorg?`
`08:33.56`	`valdyn`	`SlicerDicer: b/c sarge is frozen`
`08:34.05`	`streuner`	`SlicerDicer: the decision was made long time ago`
`08:34.26`	`MobyTurbo`	`SlicerDicer: etch will use xorg`
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`08:34.33`	`SlicerDicer`	`I cant get xorg?`
`08:34.36`	`streuner`	`SlicerDicer: because we thought sarge would be faster stable`
`08:34.40`	`jaggi`	`jim, I coded voydb (did you see it?) to make this more efficient.. but I'm thinking the sql server handling of tables are going to be well-worth dropping the idea of using a key/value pair db directly`
`08:34.40`	`deadcat`	`SlicerDicer: not yet.`
`08:34.47`	`SlicerDicer`	`well I cannot use debian then :/`
`08:34.48`	`streuner`	`SlicerDicer: not with official packages`
`08:35.06`	`jim`	`YaleR: comports are named /dev/ttyS<number> in linux; com<number+1> in dos`
`08:35.09`	`streuner`	`SlicerDicer: desktop or server?`
`08:35.15`	`MobyTurbo`	`SlicerDicer: /msg dpkg xorg (as it says in the /topic)`
`08:35.19`	`jaggi`	`I wish we could have a good coder work for us.. we just moved (we had to).. and I don't know if we can afford it now...`
`08:35.34`	`SlicerDicer`	`it does not support my moniter :/ with XF86`
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`08:35.44`	`SlicerDicer`	`MobyTurbo: ok`
`08:35.44`	`YaleR`	`jim: as always, you're a lifesaver`
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`08:36.10`	`jaggi`	`slicer, any luck finding the manpages? not I yet...`
`08:36.20`	`jim`	`and you can get packs of 20 of me from any candy store :)`
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`08:36.36`	`SlicerDicer`	`streuner: its a desktop`
`08:36.37`	`snadge`	`whats the name of the site that has a frontend for various .deb repositories?`
`08:36.38`	`streuner`	`SlicerDicer: use in the meantime (/msg dpkg xorg) and point the sources.list to testing`
`08:36.56`	`YaleR`	`jim: how do you know so much.`
`08:36.58`	`MobyTurbo`	`jim: you're even immortilized in !u ;-)`
`08:37.34`	`jim`	`a fact I don't like much... I think someone's really talking to me when I'm talking elsewhere`
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`08:37.41`	`SlicerDicer`	`yeah streuner the only way to say it is my entire moniter is screwed :/ I cannot barely read the fonts cause XF86 does not support the bloody resolutions as per what the logs say`
`08:37.45`	`streuner`	`SlicerDicer: after the packages are in sarge, comment the lines out (/msg dpkg xorg)`
`08:37.57`	`jim`	`YaleR: experience and school`
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`08:38.07`	`streuner`	`SlicerDicer: what videocard do you have?`
`08:38.11`	`paulswm`	`!irritate jim`
`08:38.11`	`dpkg`	`jim: hi every1 how does I run teh quake3 ?????`
`08:38.13`	`valdyn`	`SlicerDicer: X supports the resolution most likely, so the error is probably elsewhere`
`08:38.39`	`jim`	`DPKG: YOU HELP I QUACK3??!??!`
`08:38.48`	`snadge`	`debfind.net or something?`
`08:38.59`	`paulswm`	`:D`
`08:39.25`	`SlicerDicer`	`streuner: its fully capable of doing the resolution`
`08:40.14`	`jim`	`you might look into postgreql; it has a mature C interface (infact more than one: a simple one and a more involved one0`
`08:40.29`	`SlicerDicer`	`valdyn: if you know how to get 1680x1050 working by all means point me to a place to RTFM :)`
`08:40.37`	`YaleR`	`gosh, it's dead here 4:40 am on a sunday morning`
`08:40.40`	`liable`	`@annoy paulswm`
`08:40.40`	`ravenbird`	`paulswm: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm????`
`08:40.50`	`jim`	`YaleR: experience and school, oh, and reading stuff :)`
`08:41.02`	`paulswm`	`Heh`
`08:41.03`	`valdyn`	`SlicerDicer: man XF86Config-4, add a modeline for that mode to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4`
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`08:41.19`	`valdyn`	`SlicerDicer: apt-cache show videogen may be helpful for doing this`
`08:41.20`	`YaleR`	`jim: what did you go to schoolfor`
`08:41.21`	`valdyn`	`!modeline`
`08:41.21`	`dpkg`	`you can create custom modelines at http://www.inria.fr/cgi-bin/nph-colas-modelines, or http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline`
`08:41.37`	`jim`	`music, programming, sysadmin`
`08:41.52`	`YaleR`	`what do you play`
`08:41.56`	`jim`	`bass`
`08:42.05`	`YaleR`	`oh`
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`08:42.24`	`jaggi`	`I studied religion, physics, programming, glass blowing, and some guitar`
`08:42.26`	`YaleR`	`still play?`
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`08:42.38`	`YaleR`	`glass blowing - cool`
`08:42.48`	`YaleR`	`physics, not so much`
`08:42.54`	`jaggi`	`physics cool too :)`
`08:42.56`	`valdyn`	`SlicerDicer: X ( even xorg ) only uses modes that have a valid ( within monitor and gfx card specs ) modeline in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, your XF86Config-4 does not have any modeline for 1680x1050 i suppose`
`08:43.00`	`jim`	`yeah, just went to a pretty good jam session last night`
`08:43.02`	`YaleR`	`bad teacher experience...`
`08:43.09`	`jaggi`	`http://www.voyager.com/glassart/`
`08:43.13`	`SlicerDicer`	`valdyn: I am fully aware about editing the XF86Config-4 and did so and even checked my /var/logs for the problems hence why I asked :P`
`08:43.24`	`MobyTurbo`	`YaleR: don't let the teacher turn you off to physics.`
`08:43.41`	`SlicerDicer`	`it says my resolution does not have 1680x1050 valdyn`
`08:43.41`	`YaleR`	`it was never my forte to begin with`
`08:43.50`	`valdyn`	`SlicerDicer: literally?`
`08:43.59`	`SlicerDicer`	`want the error give me a sec`
`08:44.05`	`MobyTurbo`	`YaleR: OK`
`08:44.07`	`jim`	`physics is uniquely difficult tho, a bad teacher can hurt a LOT`
`08:44.31`	`jim`	`worse than no teacher in many cases`
`08:44.49`	`YaleR`	`contradictions`
`08:44.56`	`YaleR`	`can't get them out of my head`
`08:45.19`	`valdyn`	`SlicerDicer: so you already added a modeline? the default XF86Config-4 does not have one for your mode`
`08:45.32`	`SlicerDicer`	`valdyn: I am having serious problems reading my computer right now give me a moment`
`08:45.38`	`jaggi`	`physics was not your fourier? :)`
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`08:45.50`	`jim`	`(this repost to jaggi) you might look into postgreql; it has a mature C interface (infact more than one: a simple one and a more involved one)`
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`08:46.00`	`MobyTurbo`	`jaggi: interesting how you transformed his reply`
`08:46.09`	`jaggi`	`thanks. didn't see it before`
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`08:46.47`	`jaggi`	`moby, and I should compliment your on the frequency at which you respond to people`
`08:46.50`	`simonrvn`	`200 MB of irc logs, over 2 years... sheesh`
`08:46.59`	`jaggi`	`and on that note, my wife needs my assistance`
`08:47.00`	`SlicerDicer`	`valdyn: put it this way I cannot even config ksirc or xchat cause my resolution is so tiny its totally borked my moniter lol`
`08:47.16`	`SlicerDicer`	`I am trying to get it set so I can puill it here to show you the error`
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`08:47.22`	`floppyears`	`hi`
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`08:47.39`	`floppyears`	`is there something helpful that I can put my idle cpu cycles to do ?`
`08:47.45`	`YaleR`	`wasn't he an astrologist?`
`08:48.00`	`valdyn`	`SlicerDicer: easier: "grep 1050 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4"`
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`08:48.00`	`paulswm`	`simonrvn: cut out the fools and trools, and the logs drop to 20MB :P`
`08:48.02`	`floppyears`	`meaning in windows you can run defragmenter, spyware, antivirus etc running`
`08:48.06`	`floppyears`	`what can you do in debian ?`
`08:48.07`	`SlicerDicer-`	`(II) NV(0): Not using mode "1680x1050" (no mode of this name)`
`08:48.15`	`SlicerDicer-`	`there you go valdyn`
`08:48.24`	`[HA]Wizputer[Hew`	`hi, can anyone tell me how to cahnge the permissions of a whole directory?`
`08:48.25`	`valdyn`	`SlicerDicer: so add a modeline`
`08:48.34`	`YaleR`	`floppyears: things you like...`
`08:48.41`	`YaleR`	`or donate them to seti, or einstein.`
`08:48.55`	`jim`	`floppyears: sure, for example mail, dns, ftp, web, nfs services to name a very few`
`08:48.59`	`floppyears`	`YaleR: I mean, to make it run smoother or something like that`
`08:49.03`	`SlicerDicer`	`errm valdyn I have no idea how I havent ever needed to heh`
`08:49.09`	`valdyn`	`!modeline`
`08:49.09`	`Fleck`	`hey`
`08:49.09`	`dpkg`	`you can create custom modelines at http://www.inria.fr/cgi-bin/nph-colas-modelines, or http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline`
`08:49.15`	`valdyn`	`SlicerDicer: ^^^`
`08:49.15`	`Fleck`	`whats about xorg on debian ?`
`08:49.30`	`jaggi`	`afk :)`
`08:49.40`	`MobyTurbo`	`!topicsmite Fleck`
`08:49.41`	`dpkg`	`And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Fleck. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.`
`08:49.42`	`jim`	`xorg will be officially packaged sometime after sarge releases`
`08:49.44`	`Draconicus`	`How can I 'cat' lp? It's a module, and not in /dev... do I 'cat' the location of the module file, or what?`
`08:50.12`	`YaleR`	`floppyears: it's probably as fast as it's ever going to be`
`08:50.12`	`jim`	`Draconicus: that's your parallel port`
`08:50.19`	`Draconicus`	`Jim, I know.`
`08:50.32`	`jim`	`you could try cat /dev/lp`
`08:50.38`	`Draconicus`	`I'm testing that gamepad again, if you were here the other day.`
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`08:50.52`	`YaleR`	`unless you want to go to #gentoo, read up a lot, and compile your own base system + programs`
`08:50.54`	`Draconicus`	`I'm really out of it, so bear with me...`
`08:51.09`	`floppyears`	`jim: bu5t what about improving current desktop performance ?`
`08:51.11`	`Draconicus`	`jim: There is no device by that name.`
`08:51.15`	`jim`	`uhoh, there is a bear with him!`
`08:51.17`	`koollman`	`Draconicus: for me, it's /dev/lp0 for the first port`
`08:51.38`	`MobyTurbo`	`YaleR: there's nothing about installing gentoo that conveys expertise.`
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`08:51.50`	`Draconicus`	`lp is entirely missing from /dev`
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`08:52.01`	`YaleR`	`MobyTurbo: if you want it to improve your system performance?`
`08:52.10`	`paulswm`	`!gentoosmite YaleR`
`08:52.28`	`jim`	`modern implementations of lp in the kernel assign the first printer it sees to lp0, etc... older ones hardwired it to a specific port/irq`
`08:52.46`	`jim`	`s/printer/parallel port/`
`08:52.49`	`MobyTurbo`	`YaleR: unless you're doing scientific computing, the difference is negligable, in fact even sometimes slower because compiling everything causes more fragmentation`
`08:52.51`	`Fleck`	`can i use ubuntu xorg packages ?`
`08:52.53`	`YaleR`	`heh, point taken`
`08:52.57`	`YaleR`	`it's why I use debian :P`
`08:52.58`	`[HA]Wizputer[Hew`	`how can i cahnge the permission of all the files in one directory?`
`08:53.12`	`toresbe`	`chmod 777 *`
`08:53.12`	`Draconicus`	`Well, I'm on 2.6.8, so I think it would be the lp0 bit.`
`08:53.16`	`floppyears`	`YaleR: he does have a point. for example gentoo guys have x.org packages and we don't :(`
`08:53.17`	`Gnea`	`chwon XXX *`
`08:53.23`	`Draconicus`	`However, there is nothing with "lp" in it anywhere in /dev`
`08:53.27`	`jpeg`	`chmod -R 755 dir/`
`08:53.31`	`[HA]Wizputer[Hew`	`thnx`
`08:53.33`	`SlicerDicer`	`valdyn: I may come back to debian when things are a bit more simple :/ I just dont need compounded problems hehe thanks for the help`
`08:53.39`	`jim`	`Fleck: -maybe-, but it's unlikely and could cause Weird Stuff to happen`
`08:53.42`	`MobyTurbo`	`Fleck: mixing distribution repositories is asking for trouble.`
`08:53.45`	`floppyears`	`Draconicus: maybe you didn't compile support for it in the kernel`
`08:53.46`	`toresbe`	`[HA]Wizputer[Hew: I'm the only one who got that right :P`
`08:53.49`	`deadcat`	`floppyears: for many moths already.`
`08:53.58`	`Draconicus`	`floppy: I didn't compile the kernel.`
`08:54.04`	`Fleck`	`ehh`
`08:54.06`	`Fleck`	`i need xorg ;p`
`08:54.10`	`floppyears`	`deadcat: what ? I've been waiting all along :O`
`08:54.12`	`jim`	`that reminds me, there are too many moths in the worls`
`08:54.13`	`luulis`	`Fleck: you shouldnt, after sarge is released I guess xorg packages should quite soon afterwards make it to unstable..`
`08:54.18`	`deadcat`	`floppyears: me too (=`
`08:54.28`	`deadcat`	`floppyears: for my ibook . heheh`
`08:54.31`	`floppyears`	`deadcat: what version of xorg you got ?`
`08:54.33`	`Fleck`	`luulis okz, i will wait then`
`08:54.42`	`deadcat`	`floppyears: none.. xfree right now`
`08:54.44`	`floppyears`	`Draconicus: maybe it didn't come with support so you may have to recompile`
`08:54.58`	`luulis`	`Fleck: they could be already in experimental`
`08:55.00`	`Draconicus`	`Ugh... I remember lp0 existing in /dev...`
`08:55.00`	`paulswm`	`floppyears: You can improve disk performance by using hdparm to check and optimize current settings like DMA and interface width and also test IO performance, you don't need to defrag and spyware and viruses are a rarely mentioned subject in linux :)`
`08:55.08`	`jim`	`well, maybe not -soon-,,, presumably branden hasn't even started investigating xorg yet; too busy making sure sarge's x works`
`08:55.11`	`Fleck`	`luulis u mean testing ?`
`08:55.13`	`Draconicus`	`maybe a reboot will make it magically reappear, like sda does.`
`08:55.18`	`floppyears`	`deadcat: do you know what version of x.org there is in a deb available and if it is easy to merge from xfree to x.org ?`
`08:55.22`	`MobyTurbo`	`!u`
`08:55.23`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`08:55.49`	`deadcat`	`floppyears: no clue. check experimental or something. i think they will be ready once sarge is out (=`
`08:55.51`	`jpeg`	`!lol`
`08:55.52`	`dpkg`	`lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg`
`08:56.01`	`luulis`	`!experimental`
`08:56.01`	`dpkg`	`experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental.`
`08:56.05`	`Fleck`	`MobyTurbo sou what, u don't like u ?`
`08:56.06`	`jim`	`could someone add a parameter to that u please`
`08:56.22`	`jpeg`	`Fleck: Y cant u tipe?`
`08:56.27`	`MobyTurbo`	`Fleck: I'm not the only one, hence the factoid`
`08:56.29`	`jim`	`such that !u someNick makes it say Dammit someNick! ...`
`08:56.37`	`floppyears`	`deadcat: oh, so they are not out yet in unstable :(`
`08:56.39`	`deadcat`	`jim: (=`
`08:56.56`	`deadcat`	`floppyears: nah man. i've been waiting for a while. even for sid.`
`08:57.05`	`streuner`	`jim: use 'dpkg, no blah is blahblah`
`08:57.08`	`MobyTurbo`	`jim: "damnit jim" is a star trek reference`
`08:57.15`	`jim`	`I know that`
`08:57.24`	`Fleck`	`ok i will try not to type u... :)`
`08:57.32`	`floppyears`	`deadcat: I use unstable and I don't want to mix repositories by using both unstable and testing packages together`
`08:57.42`	`jim`	`not typing me is good :)`
`08:57.46`	`streuner`	`Fleck: why do you think you need xorg?`
`08:57.50`	`cafuego`	`floppyears: There will undoubtedly be official xorg apckages by next friday. Just be patient.`
`08:58.04`	`Fleck`	`streuner composite extension :)`
`08:58.05`	`Draconicus`	`Why do people use unstable? I don't get it..`
`08:58.09`	`jim`	`streuner's is a good question`
`08:58.20`	`MobyTurbo`	`Fleck: the composite extention barely works in xorg`
`08:58.30`	`Gnea`	`Draconicus: it wouldn't become stable then`
`08:58.33`	`jaggi`	`I guess I'll leave IRC for now...`
`08:58.33`	`cafuego`	`streuner: I can't speak for others, but on my laptop it supports hw 3d, whereas xf 4.3.99 doesn't ;-)`
`08:58.33`	`floppyears`	`cafuego: ooh, friday :) what is happenning on friday, is there somet big release for debian ?`
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`08:58.34`	`Fleck`	`what does barely means ?`
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`08:58.37`	`jaggi`	`thanks for the help and convo`
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`08:58.42`	`deadcat`	`floppyears: if you use sid. why you want to have testing there? besides if you use sid. default is sid unless you apt-get install -t testing packagename`
`08:58.47`	`Draconicus`	`Point taken...`
`08:58.51`	`Draconicus`	`Silly me. :P`
`08:58.51`	`cafuego`	`floppyears: In theory sarge will be released tomorrow (monday)`
`08:58.59`	`jaggi`	`goodnight :)`
`08:59.01`	`Gnea`	`duh, why do people use computers? :P`
`08:59.02`	`cafuego`	`floppyears: After sarge is released, xorg will be added to Sid.`
`08:59.03`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: I found out why the panel keeps on disappearing...`
`08:59.15`	`jim`	`Draconicus: legit uses include developing package on, helping find and fix problems... discouraged uses include when someone just wants the latest of everything but can't solve problems`
`08:59.16`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: what that? (=`
`08:59.17`	`Draconicus`	`Ow... that reminds me, it's 5:00 and I'm still not asleep. This is going to hurt when I get up.`
`08:59.25`	`Draconicus`	`Yes, jim, I get it now.`
`08:59.29`	`SlicerDicer-`	`valdyn, serious though man thanks for the help I just dont want to deal with things like that its very unsupported stuff I have unless its just really bleeding edge it seems :/`
`08:59.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: error is something to do with "segmentation"... dont know wtf it means but it runs when I use sudo`
`08:59.40`	`floppyears`	`cafuego: oh, I didn't know that, thanks for the good news`
`08:59.41`	`Draconicus`	`Any thoughts on the lp thing? I'll just reboot if no.`
`08:59.50`	`paulswm`	`jim: That would mean changing 'u' to a command which wouldn't work without a nick parameter and also destroy the aforementioned Start Trek reference.`
`09:00.03`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: strange... so regular user wont work?`
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`09:00.26`	`paulswm`	`!ganjasmite liable`
`09:00.31`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: nope..`
`09:00.37`	`jim`	`Draconicus: take a look at output of dmesg and look thru it to find if your parallel port was found`
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`09:00.40`	`cafuego`	`Keep that bong away from me!`
`09:00.41`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: strange.`
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`09:01.08`	`jim`	`paulswm: can dpkg have variable numbers of parameters?`
`09:01.16`	`Fleck`	`MobyTurbo what does barely means ?`
`09:01.18`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: linux@Twisted:~$ xfce4-panel`
`09:01.18`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Segmentation fault`
`09:01.27`	`jim`	`so calling it as !u will say dammit jim`
`09:01.34`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: All good... just need to sudo it when I start xfce4`
`09:01.42`	`paulswm`	`jim: I don't know that much about blootbots, but hold on, I have an idea`
`09:01.44`	`MobyTurbo`	`Fleck: it's more a proof of concept than anything else at present.`
`09:01.47`	`Gnea`	`Draconicus: didn't catch the problem`
`09:01.54`	`jim`	`and calling it as !u leetdude will say dammit leetdude`
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`09:02.03`	`simonrvn`	`the gong show`
`09:02.06`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: that suck. that means the menushit is being run as root. the stuff you click might be started as root as well.`
`09:02.12`	`Gnea`	`channel eleven`
`09:02.24`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: yeah kinda fucking annoying..`
`09:02.28`	`cafuego`	`deadcat: s/might/will/`
`09:02.31`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: will search for cure on net`
`09:02.32`	`Draconicus`	`Gnea: I need to cat lp0. lp0 is missing from /dev. It shouldn't be, and neither should several other devices, such as hdd.`
`09:02.55`	`paulswm`	`jim: the u factoid is locked, I can't change it`
`09:02.56`	`Gnea`	`Draconicus: so that's unstable or sarge?`
`09:03.01`	`Draconicus`	`sarge`
`09:03.01`	`deadcat`	`cafuego: (=. sucks for him. most shits will be run as root...`
`09:03.04`	`MobyTurbo`	`Draconicus: # cd /dev ; sh ./MAKEDEV lp0`
`09:03.13`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: they all run as root.. I'll find the cure though... hopefully.`
`09:03.15`	`jim`	`it got locked because I tried removing the dammit part`
`09:03.19`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: fuck xfce4 (=. or use the version from testing.`
`09:03.21`	`cafuego`	`deadcat: He should solve his problem properly then, not just run sudo.`
`09:03.34`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: fuck testing...`
`09:03.39`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: ya. go sid`
`09:03.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: I am sid.`
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`09:03.52`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: go sid and ditch os-work.com`
`09:03.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Oh.`
`09:03.59`	`TwistedEmotions`	`kk`
`09:04.01`	`Draconicus`	`MobyTurbo: ./MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "lp"`
`09:04.06`	`Draconicus`	`err`
`09:04.09`	`Draconicus`	`MobyTurbo: ./MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "lp0"`
`09:04.35`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: or stay with testing and ditch xfce4, try fluxbox/openbox`
`09:04.38`	`jim`	`Draconicus: got a copy of the kernel source handy?`
`09:04.44`	`paulswm`	`jim: contact dondelelcaro, he can unlock it/change it, I suggest replacing "Damnit Jim!" with "u? U??"`
`09:04.49`	`Draconicus`	`jim: Not at the moment.`
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`09:05.06`	`Gnea`	`Draconicus: what kind of printer do you have?`
`09:05.07`	`Draconicus`	`I think I installed it through apt-get or something. I know it wasn't manually compiled, though.`
`09:05.15`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: fuck testing... and fuck xfce too... I will switch to something else... but first I miss piss... brb`
`09:05.19`	`Draconicus`	`Gnea: It's not a printer, it's a SNES pad.`
`09:05.38`	`jim`	`Draconicus: if that changes, you can find out what numbers to put in lp0 by reading Documentation/devices.txt`
`09:05.41`	`Gnea`	`Draconicus: connected to a parralel port? did you make it? i'd like to find one :)`
`09:05.41`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: haha.. piss at the computer (=`
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`09:06.15`	`deadcat`	`cafuego: whats trunk? http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/`
`09:06.26`	`Draconicus`	`Gnea: http://stu.westga.edu/~thendri2/projects/snes.html http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30009.html http://search.luky.org/linux-kernel.2001/msg24529.html`
`09:06.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: What about icewm is that any good?`
`09:06.51`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: not bad. but i wouldnt use it.`
`09:06.52`	`jim`	`give it a shot and see :)`
`09:07.00`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: i mean. i dont like it`
`09:07.08`	`jim`	`it probably is, it's been around awhile and people have said they like it`
`09:07.17`	`YaleR`	`jim: maybe a bit more help :) so my mouse now works on that piece of crap, but it's completely random - can this be helped?`
`09:07.31`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: I dont mind flux/open box but it's basically no gui right?`
`09:07.31`	`jim`	`random? how do you mean?`
`09:07.48`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: config it to look good.`
`09:07.58`	`YaleR`	`like going left goes down, and going up sometimes means going left then down and up again sharply.`
`09:08.04`	`MobyTurbo`	`TwistedEmotions: the menu is a right click away, instead of in a start menu.`
`09:08.10`	`Gnea`	`Draconicus: ok, you're probably using udev - it works with device modules to generate device files on-the-fly`
`09:08.17`	`Draconicus`	`If you skip some of it and have a parallel (25-pin serial) cable on hand that you're willing to chop up, it's easy as hell. You don't even need to solder, I found out. Inside the SNES controller's plug, the female connectors on each wire are made to house the pin, but you can simply stick the stripped wires in and clamp them down with pliers. The painful part of it all is finding the wire that corrosponds with each pin.`
`09:08.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`kk...`
`09:08.24`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: apt-get install fluxbox openbox fbpanel gdeskcal torsmo idesk`
`09:08.29`	`Draconicus`	`Gnea: How can I check that?`
`09:08.34`	`jim`	`YaleR: ok, so you have the connection going correctly... but you have chosen the wrong mouse protocol`
`09:08.40`	`TwistedEmotions`	`What is difference between flux and open box?`
`09:08.43`	`YaleR`	`configured properly to the best of my knowledge, all it asked for was a company`
`09:09.03`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: flux sux (=`
`09:09.06`	`deadcat`	`HAHAHAH`
`09:09.08`	`Gnea`	`Draconicus: df`
`09:09.10`	`jim`	`what is your mouse?`
`09:09.13`	`Gnea`	`something like`
`09:09.13`	`Gnea`	`none tmpfs 10M 3.3M 6.8M 33% /dev`
`09:09.23`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: then why apt-get install fluxbox?`
`09:09.28`	`YaleR`	`three button logitech, connected to comm1`
`09:09.37`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: sux to me. might be nice to you`
`09:09.58`	`jim`	`hmm...`
`09:10.04`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: as far as reliability or operation?`
`09:10.19`	`Draconicus`	`Gnea: something like that, but labels a bit different, and no tmpfs or any text before the space values.`
`09:10.24`	`jim`	`YaleR: is it working in console mode? do you have gpm running?`
`09:10.34`	`TwistedEmotions`	`As in you dont like the way it works or it doesnt work for you?`
`09:10.36`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: they all reliable`
`09:10.42`	`YaleR`	`uhm - I don't know.`
`09:10.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`do you dont like the way it works... kk.`
`09:11.01`	`TwistedEmotions`	`*so`
`09:11.03`	`Gnea`	`Draconicus: df -Th`
`09:11.10`	`jim`	`in the x config, did you say /dev/ttyS0?`
`09:11.11`	`Draconicus`	`Gnea: Oh, wait, just rearranged...`
`09:11.14`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: openbox is more simpler`
`09:11.15`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`09:11.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`brb boot to openbox`
`09:11.28`	`Draconicus`	`Yeah.`
`09:11.35`	`YaleR`	`jim: yes, should I just select auto as the entry that 'best describes my mouse'?`
`09:11.45`	`Gnea`	`well`
`09:11.49`	`Gnea`	`crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 0 Mar 14 2002 /dev/lp0`
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`09:11.56`	`Gnea`	`that's on my sid system`
`09:12.15`	`Draconicus`	`Mine stops at hdc. ._.`
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`09:12.20`	`jim`	`YaleR: ok...`
`09:12.38`	`YaleR`	`ok?`
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`09:12.42`	`Gnea`	`right, the only devices there are the ones udev knows about`
`09:12.54`	`Draconicus`	`Okay...`
`09:12.56`	`jim`	`YaleR: see if you have a /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file`
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`09:13.05`	`YaleR`	`I do, I have x installed`
`09:13.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: wow.. it's just a grey background... this is REALLY basic..`
`09:13.13`	`YaleR`	`thats what I'm reconfiguring now`
`09:13.33`	`FireBox`	`For some reason, my newly compiled kernel refuses to boot, claiming that it can't mount the FS on unknown-device (hd0,0). It is version 2.6.8.`
`09:13.34`	`Draconicus`	`So... how can I get the devices properly detected? Serial9 ports, parallel, hdd, etc... lots need to be found.`
`09:13.40`	`jim`	`ok, you want to edit that file and see where it put the /dev/ttyS0`
`09:13.53`	`YaleR`	`alright`
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`09:14.04`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: ya. now. run fbpanel, gdeskcal, torsmo, idesk (=`
`09:14.13`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: and beautify the motherfucker`
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`09:14.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: when I want to run a command... like xchat and dont want the terminal to wait until the program is finished before allowing me to enter another command how do I do that?`
`09:14.56`	`YaleR`	`jim: this is where I changed the protocol from 'logitech' to 'auto'`
`09:15.06`	`Fleck`	`TwistedEmotions xchat &`
`09:15.15`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ahh.. kk thanks`
`09:15.19`	`TwistedEmotions`	`brb`
`09:15.22`	`jim`	`try MouseMan`
`09:15.25`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: xchat && ychat?`
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`09:15.46`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: oh.. what Fleck said (=`
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`09:15.59`	`Fleck`	`deadcat hey :)`
`09:16.00`	`YaleR`	`jim: would you happen to know if there is any better video module then ATI for my ATI rage 2? just... you know.. out of the blue?`
`09:16.08`	`deadcat`	`Fleck: what up g (=`
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`09:16.16`	`R0ckET`	`hi to all`
`09:16.17`	`jim`	`YaleR: dunno`
`09:16.22`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: install gmrun`
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`09:16.46`	`Fleck`	`deadcat nothing ;) sitting near PC and whaching X-Chat window :p`
`09:17.01`	`deadcat`	`Fleck: amen ehehe.`
`09:17.15`	`Fleck`	`deadcat :p`
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`09:17.33`	`jim`	`voice_stolen_why: at a guess, knoppix@* is probably devoiced`
`09:17.56`	`Draconicus`	`Gyah... fell asleep for a moment.`
`09:18.01`	`YaleR`	`did anyone else not know that it was June?`
`09:18.02`	`dondelelcaro`	`if you're using knoppix, you should be asking questions in #knoppix, not here.`
`09:18.12`	`YaleR`	`I thought my boxs time had gone off...`
`09:18.18`	`Draconicus`	`Okay, what do I need to do, Gnea?`
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`09:18.26`	`Draconicus`	`Or Jim. Jim could help, too.`
`09:18.27`	`kjoonlee`	`hi :)`
`09:19.05`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: you need a penguin decal on teh laptop? the one i have.`
`09:19.24`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: you mean for gdeskcal?`
`09:19.40`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: I have a calender..`
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`09:19.50`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: gdeskcal is software. i mean the sticker (decal) on my ibook`
`09:19.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: perfer a penguin ;)`
`09:19.56`	`TwistedEmotions`	`OHhhhhh`
`09:19.56`	`deadcat`	`hehe.`
`09:20.01`	`deadcat`	`want one?`
`09:20.06`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: hell yeah ;)`
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`09:20.12`	`deadcat`	`k. i bring it next time.`
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`09:20.22`	`SerajewelKS`	`where do USB joysticks get connected in /dev ?`
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`09:20.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: hahahhahahah didnt know you meant a REAL decal... just got done running that decal program so..`
`09:20.42`	`jim`	`SerajewelKS: maybe /dev/input/something`
`09:20.54`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: haha...`
`09:21.04`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: thats a indication that I have been spending too much time in virtual world...`
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`09:21.16`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: if you want my config files for openbox and shit. its on my server`
`09:21.44`	`Draconicus`	`Hmm.. I'll be back. Going to reboot, try once more, and then go to bed.`
`09:21.46`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: Errr... What was your dns again?`
`09:21.50`	`SerajewelKS`	`jim, thanks, it's there`
`09:21.58`	`SerajewelKS`	`now how do i get SDL apps to use it...`
`09:22.00`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: sshonly.sytes.net/config/`
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`09:22.28`	`kjoonlee`	`SerajewelKS: Lest you forget, the Linux USB Guide has a chapter on input devices. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x194.html`
`09:22.45`	`SerajewelKS`	`kjoonlee, or lest i don't know... thanks =)`
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`09:22.55`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: Errr... What folder?`
`09:23.19`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: i have this logo as well: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/wireless/free.dsl.trial/poor.man.wifi03.jpg but cant give you because i only have 1 left.`
`09:23.21`	`remix_tj`	`someone can give me the link of the sarge's net install cds?`
`09:23.26`	`SerajewelKS`	`all of the /dev nodes are there...`
`09:23.31`	`SerajewelKS`	`maybe i just need to chmod 666 on them`
`09:23.41`	`remix_tj`	`i need it for i386 & ppc`
`09:23.43`	`jim`	`well`
`09:23.47`	`simonrvn`	`SerajewelKS: um, no`
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`09:23.54`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: most stuff are under /home/deadcat/ they are .blah files so you have to know which is which.`
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`09:23.56`	`kjoonlee`	`remix_tj: http://www.debian.org/CD/`
`09:23.59`	`jim`	`maybe... but it's not such a good idea`
`09:24.02`	`simonrvn`	`BAD idea`
`09:24.02`	`SerajewelKS`	`simonrvn, they are 660 root:root right now...`
`09:24.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`should i chgrp audio or something then?`
`09:24.13`	`simonrvn`	`chgrp...`
`09:24.22`	`remix_tj`	`kjoonlee i can't find net install there`
`09:24.23`	`SerajewelKS`	`i don't see a suitable group in /etc/groups`
`09:24.27`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: empty.`
`09:24.28`	`jim`	`chgrp gameythingy`
`09:24.37`	`simonrvn`	`chgrp games`
`09:24.38`	`Gnome`	`hi... how can I tell whihc version of GNU Libc I have? I've had a look in aptitude, and it seems to indicate that GNU Libc isn't installed (!) - but from what I understood, that wasn't possible on a normal desktop linux machine`
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`09:24.42`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: ya. you have to know the filename in order to get it.`
`09:24.43`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: except for /bin which I dont have access to.`
`09:24.50`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: ohhh kk.`
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`09:24.54`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: like .xbindkeysrc`
`09:24.54`	`eye69`	`Gnome`: dpkg -l libc6
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`09:25.19`	`simonrvn`	`iit's not possible on a proper linux box, period.`
`09:25.24`	`kjoonlee`	`remix_tj: OK, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/`
`09:25.24`	`Gnome`	`thank you very much eye69`
`09:25.29`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: What is the file that controls what programs start automatically at start of openbox?`
`09:25.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`dammit you guys are sexy`
`09:25.48`	`remix_tj`	`uhm`
`09:25.56`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: .xsession`
`09:25.59`	`SerajewelKS`	`got nvidia working again, and my joystick`
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`09:26.01`	`simonrvn`	`(you can have other libcs, but you can't not have one)`
`09:26.06`	`Snoogie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:26.18`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: thats the file that when x start. it reads the stuff in there and run those programs in that file.`
`09:26.20`	`YaleR`	`jim: worked perfectly...`
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`09:26.25`	`FireBox`	`How do you make an initrd?`
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`09:26.28`	`YaleR`	`smooth.`
`09:26.31`	`jim`	`I used to know a guitar player named ingvar`
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`09:26.48`	`SerajewelKS`	`simonrvn++`
`09:26.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`kjoonlee++`
`09:26.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`jim++`
`09:26.55`	`SerajewelKS`	`thanks guys`
`09:26.56`	`deadcat`	`FireBox: mkinitrd`
`09:27.01`	`ToniT`	`voi sipulii`
`09:27.03`	`simonrvn`	`heh, thanks..`
`09:27.07`	`FireBox`	`deadcat: Is that all I have to do?`
`09:27.15`	`deadcat`	`FireBox: man mkinitrd`
`09:27.17`	`silverton`	`finally! In the base configuration! :D`
`09:27.21`	`FireBox`	`deadcat: OK.`
`09:27.23`	`silverton`	`I'm making tons of progress!`
`09:27.35`	`jim`	`where will you store it all??!`
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`09:28.10`	`silverton`	`I dunno, on a 240MB drive... it'll be tight...`
`09:28.21`	`jajajan`	`put your hands up in the air`
`09:28.30`	`silverton`	`like you just don't care`
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`09:28.43`	`remix_tj`	`kjoonlee thanks, it's right :-D`
`09:28.44`	`deadcat`	`if i use alsa. do i still need esd?`
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`09:28.52`	`jajajan`	`who's sexy guy?`
`09:29.02`	`jim`	`esd might be obsolete`
`09:29.09`	`jim`	`jajajan: you?`
`09:29.12`	`deadcat`	`jim: ok.`
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`09:29.36`	`standa`	`hello`
`09:29.41`	`jajajan`	`hi`
`09:29.47`	`jajajan`	`jim`
`09:29.56`	`deadcat`	`jim: esd is for handling multi input right? but alsa does that too ya?`
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`09:30.09`	`silverton`	`yay, finally done`
`09:30.12`	`jajajan`	`where is jim from?`
`09:30.18`	`simonrvn`	`deadcat: with dmix`
`09:30.29`	`Draconicus`	`What does it mean when cat returns "input output error"?`
`09:30.44`	`jajajan`	`?`
`09:30.47`	`deadcat`	`simonrvn: do i have dmix? or need it then? i just removed esound`
`09:31.03`	`Fleck`	`deadcat with dmix plugin alsa can handle multi input!`
`09:31.05`	`simonrvn`	`deadcat: if alsa is there, dmix is. it's a built-in`
`09:31.14`	`deadcat`	`cool.`
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`09:31.20`	`Fleck`	`:)`
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`09:31.32`	`jim`	`deadcat: well yes, but I don't know what programs are aware of that capability... I kinda wish jack audio connection kit was used in place of esd and an attempt made to get all sound client programs to be aware of jack`
`09:31.34`	`simonrvn`	`/msg dpkg dmix`
`09:31.37`	`deadcat`	`i have esound when i was using 2.4 and wasnt using alsa`
`09:31.39`	`jajajan`	`nothing gonna do`
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`09:32.50`	`deadcat`	`simonrvn: nice. too bad my ibook g3 is not alsa compatible. hehe`
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`09:33.25`	`simonrvn`	`should be. unless it's one of those newer ones. the driver doesn't support certain chips yet`
`09:33.50`	`standa`	`i need help!`
`09:33.58`	`deadcat`	`simonrvn: i thought the g4 ibook is alsa compatible. not the g3`
`09:34.03`	`deadcat`	`standa: dont panic!`
`09:34.14`	`jim`	`standa: /msg dpkg sicco`
`09:34.27`	`liable`	`standa: ask your question`
`09:34.46`	`jim`	`I have an eliza instance standing by...`
`09:35.13`	`paulswm`	`Maybe it's just a statement, there are lots of visitors who could just say "I need help!" and leave.`
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`09:35.50`	`deadcat`	`TwistedLappy: everything working ok? screenshot?`
`09:36.04`	`jim`	`standa: Why do you say you need help?`
`09:36.06`	`liable`	`cause they dont get an instant answer, cause we aren't mind readers :)`
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`09:36.16`	`simonrvn`	`@ops some random bot, L0gg3rb0t`
`09:36.17`	`ravenbird`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: some random bot, L0gg3rb0t`
`09:36.18`	`deadcat`	`jim: so we all chat with him (=`
`09:36.30`	`bob2`	`L0gg3rb0t: ?`
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`09:36.50`	`deadcat`	`bob2: that must the the fucking bot that logs all my urls )=`
`09:37.01`	`deadcat`	`simonrvn: (=`
`09:37.12`	`R0ckET`	`alguien aca q posea un portatil toshiba?`
`09:37.13`	`standa`	`jim: i had some internet conn problem and i didn't see anybody - so it was some kind of scream ;-)`
`09:37.30`	`paulswm`	`liable: My take on sound in Linux generally is that it is so hard to understand and get working, and there are no really good docs anywhere about anything. But then I am a old fogey from the days when 'beep' was sound :)`
`09:37.33`	`MobyTurbo`	`!es`
`09:37.34`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
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`09:38.09`	`jim`	`standa: I can hear you... is there still a problem with your connection?`
`09:38.22`	`liable`	`!pal simonrvn`
`09:38.27`	`liable`	`:_)`
`09:38.41`	`liable`	`oops, scarface`
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`09:39.03`	`simonrvn`	`danke`
`09:39.05`	`paulswm`	`wow, bob2, you are on the bot case in like seconds and on a Sunday, too!`
`09:39.14`	`paulswm`	`!prizze bob2`
`09:39.17`	`bob2`	`was having a look`
`09:39.18`	`paulswm`	`!prize bob2`
`09:39.24`	`bob2`	`it seems to be run by someone caled "Joker"`
`09:39.25`	`R0ckET`	`somebody have toshiba laptop????`
`09:39.28`	`bob2`	`who I vagelu remember`
`09:39.31`	`deadcat`	`i dont see why we dont give op to simonrvn (=`
`09:39.35`	`deadcat`	`or cafuego hehe.`
`09:39.45`	`paulswm`	`Or m wilson :>`
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`09:39.51`	`deadcat`	`paulswm: you crazy (=`
`09:39.57`	`paulswm`	`Heh`
`09:40.07`	`simonrvn`	`i sued to have it... dunno if i would accept it or not. i'm leaning on 'not'`
`09:40.09`	`jim`	`whew... for a second there I thought you were serious about cafuego :)`
`09:40.11`	`simonrvn`	`us*`
`09:40.29`	`paulswm`	`jim, hahaha`
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`09:40.37`	`liable`	`paulswm: the dmix thing has always seemed beond my feeble brain, just cant find a good explanation of the whole thing.`
`09:40.41`	`deadcat`	`jim: i want to see cafuego with op priv and going crazy (=`
`09:40.41`	`standa`	`i try to compile some module - software displays: "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running". I installed kernel-header files, but that's not what soft needs. I got: "The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.8-2) does not match your running`
`09:40.43`	`standa`	`kernel (version 2.6.8-2-k7)." QUESTION: how can I get header files mutching my running kernel? (Debian Testing)`
`09:41.04`	`deadcat`	standa: kernel-headers-`uname -r`
`09:41.11`	`simonrvn`	`ap-tget install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)`
`09:41.16`	`simonrvn`	`apt-get*`
`09:41.31`	`paulswm`	`I love it when we get a troll or jerk who picks a fight with an op without realizing it, that is such good entrtainment.`
`09:41.48`	`paulswm`	`I know! op for tarzeau!`
`09:41.51`	`jim`	`standa: the headers for 2.6.8-2-k7 -specifically- for your k7 are what you want`
`09:41.59`	`R0ckET`	`somebody have toshiba laptop`
`09:42.09`	`deadcat`	`R0ckET: ask`
`09:42.16`	`jim`	`R0ckET: /msg dpkg ask to ask`
`09:42.16`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: haha`
`09:42.18`	`standa`	`jim: thx a lot - problem with connection is solved. I didn't suppose to show the message in a channel, otherwise i'll be definitely more specific`
`09:42.20`	`paulswm`	`R0ckET: ask your question`
`09:42.32`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: hey wait!`
`09:42.36`	`liable`	`simonrvn: was scrolling through debstats a while ago, and you were channel sherrif way back when for a while :)`
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`09:43.00`	`jim`	`standa: glad it worked out... but I didn't do anything :)`
`09:43.08`	`R0ckET`	`need activate fn functions`
`09:43.15`	`R0ckET`	`hotkey`
`09:43.21`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: you'd be like "install GNUStep and play bub-n-bros if you know ehat's good for you", HAH :P`
`09:43.37`	`deadcat`	`hahah`
`09:43.51`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: haha`
`09:43.58`	`liable`	`R0ckET: isnt there toshiba modules in the kernel?`
`09:44.02`	`jim`	`we'll all play bubbros, and the winner gets op for a minute :)`
`09:44.09`	`R0ckET`	`nop`
`09:44.27`	`liable`	`you sure?`
`09:44.32`	`deadcat`	`R0ckET: there should be. install tosh-util?`
`09:44.41`	`standa`	`jim: now i see it!! you opened my eyes! :)`
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`09:45.01`	`orchid`	`R0ckET: CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m theres 3 modules in 2.6.8`
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`09:45.26`	`jim`	`NEXT!`
`09:45.48`	`ravn`	`since I have the flue I'm bored half to death and need a game to play under Debian - what to choore?`
`09:45.49`	`liable`	`R0ckET: fucking google it, there should be support, its not debian specific, so google.`
`09:46.02`	`bob2`	`ravn: frozen bubble`
`09:46.04`	`jim`	`ravn: talk to tarzeau`
`09:46.04`	`orchid`	`ravn: bzflag`
`09:46.11`	`R0ckET`	`deadcat, apt-get install toshutils`
`09:46.12`	`liable`	`tuxracer`
`09:46.33`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros`
`09:46.46`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: also try pathogen, www.mtp-target.org, nethack, jumpnbump, supertux, supertransball2`
`09:46.57`	`deadcat`	`R0ckET: i think so. apt-cache search first. i dont remember. its been a while since i had my toshiba. (=`
`09:47.00`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: now if you get addicted, that's not my problem`
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`09:47.17`	`liable`	`tarzeau: spoken like a true dealer :)`
`09:47.25`	`R0ckET`	`ok`
`09:47.29`	`R0ckET`	`find google`
`09:47.30`	`R0ckET`	`=:D`
`09:47.33`	`deadcat`	`any of you ever messed with this machine before? thinking of getting it. not this one ofcourse: http://www.craigslist.org/sby/sys/76531935.html`
`09:47.34`	`tarzeau`	`liable: hah`
`09:47.34`	`R0ckET`	`thx`
`09:47.45`	`tarzeau`	`liable: make me remind: dopewars`
`09:47.48`	`jim`	`now, how to change up that pesky GPL so we can draw the addicted in...`
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`09:49.37`	`simonrvn`	`liable: yeh. long time ago`
`09:49.45`	`liable`	`netball? thats in the repos`
`09:50.08`	`Draconicus`	`Well, sleep for meh.`
`09:50.11`	`Draconicus`	`I am broked.`
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`09:50.35`	`ravn`	`tarzeau: Does bub-n-bros run on a PII 300 ?`
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`09:51.48`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: sure bet!`
`09:51.55`	`tarzeau`	`wanna play? i'll start a server`
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`09:52.22`	`jim`	`ravn: you need python 2.3`
`09:53.48`	`standa`	`jim: what do you do? i mean how you earn money? is it related to linux?`
`09:53.59`	`jim`	`I play electric bass`
`09:54.20`	`deadcat`	`jim: i think hes interested in you`
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`09:54.30`	`ravn`	`jim: I guess apt-get install python should do, yes?`
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`09:54.42`	`jim`	`ravn: for sarge? yes.`
`09:54.59`	`streuner`	`!info python2.3`
`09:55.12`	`dpkg`	`python2.3: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.3)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2837 kB, Installed size: 9400 kB`
`09:55.21`	`streuner`	`!info python2.3 sarge`
`09:55.35`	`dpkg`	`python2.3: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.3)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2837 kB, Installed size: 9400 kB`
`09:55.39`	`standa`	`jim: nice :) what kind of music?`
`09:55.50`	`jim`	`ravn: as streuner is indicating you need python2.3`
`09:56.05`	`jim`	`jazz, blues, rock, funk, experimental`
`09:56.09`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: python2.3-dev or 2.2`
`09:56.23`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: and then run ./BubBros.py set yourname, then go internet servers`
`09:57.53`	`usn`	`hi all`
`09:57.58`	`FireBox`	`Hi`
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`10:00.18`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: join the gnu.ethz.ch server`
`10:00.22`	`ravn`	`jim: Yes, I got sarge.`
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`10:01.03`	`jim`	`so apt-get install python2.3 or python2.2 as tarzeau indicated`
`10:01.14`	`tarzeau`	`jim: no python2.n-dev (not 4)`
`10:01.19`	`jim`	`tarzeau, what's the -dev for?`
`10:01.28`	`tarzeau`	`jim: you need that, i think`
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`10:01.38`	`ravn`	`tarzeau: I got the package in just a sec.`
`10:02.00`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: i collected 6 bananas already!`
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`10:02.06`	`ravn`	`:)`
`10:02.35`	`silverton`	`hmm...`
`10:03.13`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: you not?`
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`10:05.13`	`tarzeau`	`jethro?`
`10:05.15`	`LoofAB`	`I just got sarge installed /w the rc3 installer and the locales package is failing to install... is this a common issue?`
`10:05.24`	`bob2`	`LoofAB: did the CD burn correctly?`
`10:06.12`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: No, I really want to do some coding for myself today, I still have three domains which I haven't got up and running, so I would (1) like to get one up (2) develop an automated process for generating and posting the qotds on a daily basis and (3) get my 6 home boxes better organized re. automated backups`
`10:06.13`	`LoofAB`	`bob2: It validated, accoring to the installer.`
`10:06.21`	`LoofAB`	`i.e. the CD Validation step`
`10:06.25`	`bob2`	`cool`
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`10:07.03`	`ravn`	`tarzeau: now what - how to stear?`
`10:07.12`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: you select the dragon`
`10:07.19`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: and then the dragon hops and shows animated directions`
`10:07.22`	`liable`	`paulswm: well, then /leave, should be what you do, and go get shit done :)`
`10:07.23`	`bob2`	`paulswm: amen`
`10:07.27`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: press the associated keys for, left, right, hop, bubble`
`10:07.42`	`paulswm`	`bob2: But, the best laid plans of mice and men... :)`
`10:07.50`	`bob2`	`hah`
`10:08.07`	`bob2`	`I'm doing Useful Shit while flicking back here occassionally`
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`10:08.14`	`bob2`	`well, fsvo Useful shit`
`10:08.29`	`paulswm`	`liable: I can't! It's like when you pass a traffic accident - you know you shouldn't slow down and look, but you are compelled to anyway :P`
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`10:09.22`	`liable`	`hehe, true, but you know you wont do it, unless you go from here, so go.`
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`10:09.43`	`paulswm`	`jim: Not my area, but a thought occurred to me, couldn't you script your IRC client to not highlight if a line comes from dpkg?`
`10:09.48`	`ravn`	`tarzeau: how do I switch keys? Mine suck!`
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`10:10.08`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: klick the dragon again`
`10:10.15`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: unselct clickt it, select click it`
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`10:11.46`	`bob2`	`"big brother" is fucking creepy`
`10:11.55`	`bob2`	`getting the public used to spying on others is not cool`
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`10:12.16`	`paulswm`	`liable: But someone might ask a question to which I actually know the answer! And I might miss an opportunity to participate in a moron-beating!!`
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`10:12.33`	`naddar`	`anyone know a good url to download mplayer`
`10:12.42`	`bob2`	`naddar: /msg dpkg mplayer`
`10:12.42`	`naddar`	`with all libs ect`
`10:12.59`	`ravn`	`tarzeau: I don't understand...`
`10:13.10`	`liable`	`paulswm: hehe. yes. go :)`
`10:13.40`	`Solet-deb`	`whats the port that the cups application is on?`
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`10:13.45`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: you are a dragon`
`10:13.56`	`bob2`	`Solet-deb: 631`
`10:13.58`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: bubble everything into bubbles and hop into the bubbles`
`10:14.01`	`tarzeau`	`NEVER take the sheep`
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`10:14.07`	`Solet-deb`	`bob2: thx`
`10:14.08`	`paulswm`	`I will do both, I will follow bob's example and Do Useful Shit while Keeping An Eye On #debian`
`10:14.12`	`tarzeau`	`like that moron silver dragon just did`
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`10:14.18`	`bob2`	`haha`
`10:14.34`	`bob2`	`that may be the only thing I do that I'd be comfortable having someone emulate`
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`10:14.39`	`naddar`	`how can i know what verison i have stable sarge or ???`
`10:14.39`	`alcosmurf`	`lol`
`10:14.43`	`stupidkid`	`anyone using videolan?`
`10:14.48`	`ravn`	`tarzeau: Yes, but the thing does not move! How do I know what keys to use?`
`10:14.48`	`BleSS`	`I need help for finishing a tool for configure X, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to priv. mess.) thx`
`10:14.52`	`paulswm`	`naddar: cat /etc/debian_version`
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`10:14.54`	`bob2`	`naddar: sarge is not stable (yet)`
`10:15.22`	`paulswm`	`naddar: if it says 3.0 you have stable, 3.1 is sarge/testing`
`10:15.26`	`naddar`	`3.1`
`10:15.32`	`stupidkid`	`i'm running sarge can i install videolan unstable package?`
`10:15.41`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: you select them when you press the dragon`
`10:15.54`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: you know you must define them EVERYTIME you select a draong. it's onle 4 (four) keys`
`10:16.15`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: this is like nethack, you must have patience`
`10:16.18`	`paulswm`	`sarge or testing then, if you want to stay with sarge when it goes stable, then ensure your sources.list says 'sarge' and not 'testing'`
`10:16.25`	`tarzeau`	`not an ego shooter where you hammer into the keys randomly`
`10:16.26`	`paulswm`	`naddar: ^^`
`10:16.27`	`tarzeau`	`RichiH: you join?`
`10:16.31`	`ravn`	`tarzeau: Ah!! Now I got it!`
`10:16.41`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: which dragon are you?`
`10:17.14`	`tarzeau`	`watermelons give 4000 points!`
`10:17.19`	`paulswm`	`!qotd10`
`10:17.19`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey`
`10:18.16`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: if there is only one last monster left, don't just kill it, get all bonus first`
`10:18.18`	`liable`	`hmm, yes, just glancs at #debian :)`
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`10:18.35`	`paulswm`	`!singlishsmite liable`
`10:18.36`	`dpkg`	`liable: Why so gorblock, you?`
`10:18.37`	`tarzeau`	`ravn: if you find a wand , make bubbles at the end, they'll polymorph into BONUS`
`10:18.37`	`paulswm`	`:D`
`10:18.41`	`naddar`	`thanks paulsvm`
`10:18.44`	`liable`	`hah`
`10:18.45`	`naddar`	`it works`
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`10:19.02`	`liable`	`!aussiesmite paulswm`
`10:19.02`	`BleSS`	`I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to priv. mess.) thx`
`10:19.03`	`dpkg`	`paulswm: yee bloody yank`
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`10:19.52`	`paulswm`	`Hey, paulswm == Cymro`
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`10:21.01`	`paulswm`	`!gothsmite liable`
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`10:21.39`	`liable`	`haha, my mum even says "how r u" when she just sent me a text, she's like 50 years old. :)`
`10:21.56`	`tarzeau`	`retarded`
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`10:22.02`	`ledet`	`liable: smack her`
`10:22.09`	`paulswm`	`!aolify liable's mum`
`10:22.37`	`liable`	`hehe, thats fucked up, gonna have to get her on #debian.`
`10:22.46`	`paulswm`	`o.O`
`10:23.13`	`mwe`	`I try make menuconfig for the kernel but it tells me I need ncurses-devel, but I can't find that package - what do I have to install?`
`10:23.22`	`bob2`	`mwe: libncurses5-dev`
`10:23.27`	`paulswm`	`liable: I'm like 54 myself`
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`10:23.49`	`liable`	`paulswm: how r u? :)`
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`10:23.54`	`mwe`	`bob2, thanks`
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`10:25.05`	`qpee`	`is there a way of testing if the syntax in /etc/crontab is correct and how the commands are executed. i mean something like a testrun`
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`10:25.30`	`tarzeau`	`qpee: there's man 5 crontab`
`10:25.34`	`MobyTurbo`	`my mom also says "r u", I feel like replying "!r"`
`10:25.53`	`liable`	`paulswm: your prolly old enough to be like 80% of peoples dads on debian.`
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`10:26.26`	`luulis`	`hey, would anyone know why is this happening, suddenly i cant exec any new programs because everything just hangs :(`
`10:26.27`	`liable`	`paulswm: surely you havent sowed that many wild oats though. :)`
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`10:26.51`	`xtension`	`!hi`
`10:26.52`	`dpkg`	`hello, xtension`
`10:26.57`	`xtension`	`hi dpgk`
`10:27.46`	`paulswm`	`liable: No, I have just two stepsons, is all, one a team leader on a state police SWAT team, the other a state police dispatcher, whic is kind of ironic for an ex hippy like me.`
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`10:29.32`	`FromOnHigh`	`Hey.. Anyone here familiar with Google? Had a question about searching`
`10:29.40`	`FromOnHigh`	`Through Mozilla.. On Debian...`
`10:29.42`	`mne`	`hi everybody. I've tiger security audit running, it there a possibility so that tiger ignores certain security "violations" ?`
`10:29.53`	`tarzeau`	`mne: RTFM`
`10:29.57`	`paulswm`	`luulis: That doesn't really give us enough information on your problem, you're going to need to describe the situation a bit better.`
`10:30.28`	`liable`	`paulswm: hmm, ok, sure, bet theres more out there you dont know about.`
`10:30.31`	`Gnea`	`!tell FromOnHigh about ask`
`10:30.45`	`mne`	`tarzeau, which manual ? the USING file on http://savannah.nongnu.org/ doesn't describe this issue`
`10:30.51`	`tarzeau`	`damn are the green and brown dragons MORONS`
`10:30.58`	`luulis`	`paulswm: sorry but I really cant, suddenly every new program I start is just hanging..`
`10:31.00`	`tarzeau`	`this level can only be solved from their side, and they are CAMPING!`
`10:31.10`	`tarzeau`	`mne: i'd change the configuration`
`10:31.17`	`Gnea`	`tarzeau: i hate that shit - fps?`
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`10:31.26`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: fps?`
`10:31.35`	`liable`	`luulis: just upgraded? using sid/sarge/woody?`
`10:31.36`	`Gnea`	`tarzeau: First Person Shooter?`
`10:31.41`	`tarzeau`	`there was a cactus, and they didn't get it`
`10:31.44`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net`
`10:31.52`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: no friendly fire`
`10:32.00`	`brrrt`	`hello all :)`
`10:32.01`	`FromOnHigh`	`Under Google, is it possible to search text while also searching domain in title?`
`10:32.27`	`brrrt`	`please, i need your help, the program which name i cant remember showed the content of the folders as rectangles where the size was representing the amount of used space`
`10:32.31`	`FromOnHigh`	`The two commands for "allintitle" and "allintext" don't seem to work together`
`10:32.41`	`paulswm`	`luulis: Are you in X? can you get to a virtual console (ctrl-alt-F1 for example?)`
`10:32.47`	`FromOnHigh`	`Unless there is a way to seperate them so that you filter results.. Which I don't know how to do`
`10:32.52`	`brrrt`	`this is a very usefull tool`
`10:32.52`	`liable`	`FromOnHigh: wrong channel dude. google for google help :)`
`10:33.01`	`luulis`	`liable: sid, I started a terminal emulator a while ago.. now it worked but it actually is very slow executing anything...`
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`10:33.29`	`FromOnHigh`	`liable: Except asking myself doesn't really solve the problem. And I'm assuming someone here is familiar with google..`
`10:33.35`	`FromOnHigh`	`Just going out on a limb.`
`10:33.58`	`brrrt`	`does anyone know which program i am talking about?`
`10:33.58`	`silverton`	`hmm....`
`10:34.00`	`liable`	`luulis: bts?`
`10:34.01`	`silverton`	`!m8`
`10:34.07`	`silverton`	`darn...`
`10:34.13`	`silverton`	`so triggers for m8 or 1`
`10:34.28`	`BleSS`	`I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (private mess.) thx`
`10:34.43`	`mwe`	`how do I show what files an installed package provides?`
`10:34.56`	`silverton`	`you mean, what files got installed from a package?`
`10:35.02`	`luulis`	`liable: report a bug or check for something like this? i tried time ls in dir with like 20 files, real 0m24.176s ..`
`10:35.07`	`mwe`	`yeah`
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`10:35.22`	`silverton`	`mwe, dpkg -L <package name>`
`10:35.24`	`jim`	`kdirstat?`
`10:35.28`	`liable`	`luulis: check, then maybe report.`
`10:35.33`	`mwe`	`silverton, ah thanks!`
`10:35.37`	`xtension`	`BleSS looks mighty overcomplicated`
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`10:36.07`	`luulis`	`liable: kinda hard to report when I have no idea why this happened..`
`10:36.48`	`BleSS`	`xtension, that code is simply a snippet for get information necessary for my program`
`10:37.14`	`liable`	`luulis: maybe bugs in core-utils? why run sid if you cant event start to debug it?`
`10:37.26`	`xtension`	`Bless it runs ...`
`10:38.17`	`xtension`	`Bless so whats wrong ? it runs ...`
`10:38.28`	`luulis`	`liable: I think I can manage running sid well, but this problem, it affects every program`
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`10:38.53`	`xtension`	`Bless grep: /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/class: No such file or directory`
`10:38.53`	`BleSS`	`xtension, i want that information that you get from it`
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`10:39.14`	`xtension`	`Bless for statistics ?`
`10:39.15`	`BleSS`	`xtension, ah, ok, it's because you haven't kernel 2.6, np, thx`
`10:39.28`	`qpee`	`tarzeau: i know the syntax, but i'd like to see if the entries fail to execute or succeed`
`10:39.38`	`BleSS`	`xtension, for building a data base about modules and graphic cards`
`10:39.38`	`brrrt`	`jim: thx, but not what i am looking for`
`10:39.51`	`tarzeau`	`qpee: let them run them now in cron`
`10:39.56`	`ales`	`hi, i can't mount CFreader : VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda. can you help ?`
`10:40.28`	`brrrt`	`jim: the usefull thing was that the dirs were shown as rectangles and the size of each rectangle was according to the size of its content`
`10:40.40`	`poncha\|work`	`guys, i need some help with cyrus/postfix/saslauthd setup (having problem with authentication). #cyrus is silent...`
`10:40.42`	`luulis`	`liable: uh, just ran top and there was a wineserver process eating cpu but couldnt notice it because everything seemed to run at normal speed..`
`10:40.47`	`xtension`	`BleSS well i dont usually case abuut statistics`
`10:40.50`	`brrrt`	`jim: and you could also browser through it`
`10:40.52`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: /msg dpkg they don't know`
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`10:41.10`	`xtension`	`s/s/r/`
`10:41.40`	`ales`	`dpkg: usb`
`10:41.40`	`dpkg`	`usb is probably (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html`
`10:41.40`	`poncha\|work`	`jethro, well, i am setting this up on debian sarge , so this is a little bit debian related :)`
`10:41.51`	`Gnea`	`tarzeau: argh, it won't compile`
`10:42.00`	`Gnea`	`make -C bubbob`
`10:42.00`	`Gnea`	`make: *** bubbob: No such file or directory. Stop.`
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`10:42.17`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: just run ./BubBros.py`
`10:42.23`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: no ndeed to compile. you got pygame ?`
`10:42.31`	`qpee`	`tarzeau: ok, i see there is now real way that cron will tell in an output that the syntax is ok or not and that the commands can be executed, but thanks`
`10:42.31`	`Gnea`	`i love it when documentation lies`
`10:42.33`	`Gnea`	`not`
`10:42.37`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: yes sure`
`10:42.44`	`oleth`	`hello I would like to ask sth about mozilla on debian. Why does the mail system occupy so much memory. It needs in the area of 33M when it opens, 38M when I read all my mail accounts, and about 48M when I send a simple palin mail...`
`10:42.55`	`Gnea`	`tarzeau: i will soon`
`10:42.59`	`oleth`	`palin==plain`
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`10:43.44`	`MobyTurbo`	`ales: what problems are you having with USB?`
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`10:44.07`	`ales`	`MobyTurbo: can't mount CFreader : VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda.`
`10:44.09`	`tarzeau`	`ales: yes there is a channel for linux montiros, linux scsi devices, linux ps/2 devices`
`10:44.15`	`simonrvn`	`oleth: that's moz... and also shared mem`
`10:44.25`	`MobyTurbo`	`ales: that's not a USB problem I think...`
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`10:44.46`	`ales`	`MobyTurbo: no. its not.`
`10:44.50`	`MobyTurbo`	`ales: enter the error message into google`
`10:44.54`	`oleth`	`so I am not the problem...`
`10:44.57`	`FromOnHigh`	`Hello.. I'm in the market for a tray loading scanner and I've recently migrated to Debian. I was wondering if anyone could rec. a well supported unit? Perhaps just a general printer that is plug and play?`
`10:45.02`	`FromOnHigh`	`I really don't want to mess with cups`
`10:45.03`	`ales`	`MobyTurbo: hm. did.`
`10:45.07`	`poncha\|work`	`so the problem is like this... i have saslauthd mechanism "pam" set in /etc/default/saslauthd , and sasl_pwcheck_method=saslauthd in /etc/imapd.conf .. testsaslauthd successfully validated my logon, but when trying to login to cyradm, i get "SASL(-13): user not found: no secret in database" error`
`10:45.11`	`tarzeau`	`can you feel the weekend? it hurts`
`10:45.22`	`MobyTurbo`	`!sunday`
`10:45.23`	`dpkg`	`Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.`
`10:45.29`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: you are off topic. move on, please`
`10:45.39`	`Gnea`	`FromOnHigh: no cups no print for you. kthx.`
`10:45.44`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: better join bub-n-bros`
`10:45.58`	`FromOnHigh`	`Gnea: So there isn't anything that is plug and play?`
`10:46.15`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: ah, point. I always forget about sundays`
`10:46.17`	`FromOnHigh`	`Or.. In this case, plug and don't lose any hair`
`10:46.17`	`Gnea`	`FromOnHigh: you don't seem to follow reality very well...`
`10:46.28`	`Gnea`	`heh`
`10:46.48`	`poncha\|work`	`jethro, err do you want to tell me that all the stuff around what i wrote is ON-topic ?? come on, look at the channel log`
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`10:46.53`	`Gnea`	`FromOnHigh: http://www.linuxprinting.org`
`10:46.55`	`FromOnHigh`	`I've heard some horror stories about cups. I just want to know if there is a well supported printer family out there.`
`10:46.58`	`tarzeau`	`FromOnHigh: usb sucks`
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`10:47.01`	`Gnea`	`FromOnHigh: make your own decision.`
`10:47.02`	`BleSS`	`I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx`
`10:47.17`	`Gnea`	`FromOnHigh: yeah, horror stories from idiots too dumb to figure it out`
`10:47.32`	`Gnea`	`cups is very easy to configure and use`
`10:47.35`	`Gnea`	`foomatic-gui`
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`10:47.41`	`Gnea`	`so simple`
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`10:47.57`	`FromOnHigh`	`tarzeau: All I have are USB ports`
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`10:48.01`	`Gnea`	`hell it makes setting up a printer in windows look difficult`
`10:48.03`	`jethro`	`!irritate poncha\|work`
`10:48.03`	`dpkg`	`poncha\|work: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh edonkey ?????`
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`10:48.12`	`tarzeau`	`FromOnHigh: all your USB ports suck`
`10:48.24`	`Gnea`	`FromOnHigh: i gave you a url to look at, go there and read`
`10:48.37`	`FromOnHigh`	`Gnea: I'm feeding the troll`
`10:48.50`	`Gnea`	`!troll FromOnHigh`
`10:48.54`	`FromOnHigh`	`And thank you for the link`
`10:48.58`	`FromOnHigh`	`Thats not fair`
`10:49.02`	`Gnea`	`fuck you`
`10:49.04`	`Gnea`	`get the fuck out`
`10:49.10`	`FromOnHigh`	`What did I do?`
`10:49.15`	`jim`	`bad berries!`
`10:49.20`	`Gnea`	`[05:49AM] <FromOnHigh> Thats not fair`
`10:49.24`	`xtension`	`Gnea stop being an ass`
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`10:49.40`	`FromOnHigh`	`Surly Debian Users ahoy..`
`10:49.41`	`Gnea`	`fine with me`
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`10:49.47`	`FromOnHigh`	`Thanks for the link mate. Good day`
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`10:50.54`	`poncha\|work`	`jethro, your attitude does not affect me, but it might have changed a little bit my opinion about you... please stop being a jerk. i really need some help to figure out what i am doing wrong, and provided provided the channel of the software i am using is "kinda" deserted, the best place i can find people that may have a chance to spot my mistake is this one..`
`10:50.55`	`Gnea`	`sorry, these aol users...`
`10:51.23`	`Jon`	`hm the gtk2 debian package is taking 10x longer to build than the upstream tarballs :)`
`10:51.29`	`Gnea`	`poncha\|work: you're not paying us to not be jerks.`
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`10:52.06`	`poncha\|work`	`Gnea, i don't need to pay any one not to be jerks... you're a human, and should have a little bit self esteem right ? :))`
`10:52.18`	`Solet-deb`	`for a parallel port pronter shouldnt the device uri be /dev/lp0 ?`
`10:52.18`	`PeTiLLoN`	`and he jerks it out :p`
`10:52.20`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: it's not as if I cared about your opinion. you're asking at the wrong place, and also, you're wasting the time of those who volunteer. so please, at least, shut the fuck up and don't try to find lame arguments to explain why you were told /msg dpkg they don't know`
`10:52.21`	`liable`	`ffs, i'm the most retsarded typer, but I just tried 5 times to type teh, but spelled it the. shit.`
`10:52.29`	`poncha\|work`	`i am not trying to offend anyone here..`
`10:52.30`	`valdyn`	`Solet-deb: usually yes`
`10:52.38`	`Gnea`	`poncha\|work: and you are who to tell other people how we should and shouldn't react?`
`10:52.49`	`poncha\|work`	`i am just saying that irritating a person that tries to ask for help is not worth a shit`
`10:53.23`	`valdyn`	`Solet-deb: however that is _not_ a url, thats a file, a url would probably be file://dev/lp0 ( or whatever cups wants )`
`10:53.26`	`Solet-deb`	`valdyn... when i set it up with the cups web app it says "parallel:/dev/unknown-parallel0" and it doesnt work.... it worked earlier... but then it stopped when i tried to change it to use less ink cause it was overinking the crap`
`10:53.27`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: irritating a person dumb enough not to understand what is ON topic and what is not IS worth it.`
`10:53.34`	`Jon`	`poncha\|work: indeed it isn't. but what a spectator sport this channel is for the rest of us!`
`10:53.48`	`poncha\|work`	`jon :))`
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`10:54.07`	`alex99_`	`http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kde/`
`10:54.09`	`Gnea`	`poncha\|work: and i am just saying that pissing on a bunch of people who do this for fun in their spare time and being demanding is a great way to label yourself as the shit of a shitted shit. :)`
`10:54.16`	`valdyn`	`Solet-deb: no idea, did you look at /var/log/cups/error_log ?`
`10:54.17`	`silverton`	`oh dear god!`
`10:54.18`	`alex99_`	`kde 3.4.1 are in experimental repositoty ??`
`10:54.30`	`jethro`	`!beer Gnea`
`10:54.32`	`Solet-deb`	`valdyn: whats the file that i change the printer config manually?`
`10:54.35`	`Gnea`	`oh thank you`
`10:54.37`	`Gnea`	`i needed that :)`
`10:54.39`	`Jon`	`yum guinness`
`10:54.39`	`liable`	`poncha\|work: ok. if you dont get a good answer, to what you think is a good question, then ask elsewhere. This is a bit of a volatile channel at times. :)`
`10:54.40`	`jethro`	`you're welcome`
`10:54.42`	`silverton`	`I only have 39MB available of drive space on /`
`10:54.51`	`valdyn`	`Solet-deb: i wouldnt do that..`
`10:54.52`	`jethro`	`liable: you get answers when you're on topic, usually`
`10:55.04`	`MobyTurbo`	`alex99_: it's there because its waiting for Sarge's release`
`10:55.10`	`valdyn`	`Solet-deb: /etc/cups/* ( i still wouldnt touch these )`
`10:55.10`	`Solet-deb`	`valdyn... i only need to change the uri`
`10:55.11`	`silverton`	`not even enough space to do a dist-upgrade`
`10:55.37`	`liable`	`jethro: yes, couldnt be bothered to read back, as I just stepped out for a smoke, and giving some friendly advice. :)`
`10:55.42`	`poncha\|work`	`Gnea, i haven't been demanding in anything ... i asked if (and only if) anyone is capable of and willing to help.. ifthat offended jethro , well.. i am not his doctor or anything :)`
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`10:55.45`	`jethro`	`liable: :)`
`10:56.05`	`Gnea`	`poncha\|work: you've got 2 choices here really: either explain your problem in detail and not get irritated (put it to the side, we don't really give a rats ass) or simply go elsewhere. what's more important at this point: getting the problem fixed or pouring more salt on the wound? think about it.`
`10:56.07`	`valdyn`	`Solet-deb: /etc/cups/printers.conf.O`
`10:56.08`	`valdyn`	`Solet-deb: /etc/cups/printers.conf`
`10:56.12`	`poncha\|work`	`liable, thanks for an advice :)`
`10:56.17`	`Gnea`	`!tell poncha\|work about ask`
`10:56.24`	`BleSS`	`anybody knows mailing-list about testers? i don't get any help :(`
`10:56.33`	`Gnea`	`so there you have it.`
`10:56.38`	`valdyn`	`BleSS: testers?`
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`10:56.46`	`poncha\|work`	`Gnea, i tried to explain the problem but got cut off by jethro's on-off-topic conversation :)`
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`10:56.52`	`jethro`	`Gnea: don't tell him to provide details about his sasl problems. I think #debian just doesn't care.`
`10:56.54`	`[kf]naddar`	`anyone can tell me how to mke a deb package`
`10:57.11`	`jethro`	`!guidelines`
`10:57.11`	`dpkg`	`1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't just repeat yourself; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 3) Read the FAQ and ask Google before asking us. 4) Reading technical documentation (man pages, info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots. See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or a web site, not here. 8) No trolls or spam.`
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`10:57.13`	`valdyn`	`!nmg [kf]naddar`
`10:57.19`	`Gnea`	`poncha\|work: so you let jethro's on-another-subject conversation distract you? you interrupted his discussion?`
`10:57.36`	`poncha\|work`	`jethro, i've read the guidelines before, believe me. and thanks for bringing this up`
`10:57.39`	`valdyn`	`[kf]naddar: what kind of deb package?`
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`10:57.47`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: you don't sound like you did, really`
`10:57.52`	`[kf]naddar`	`i have source of mythtv`
`10:57.53`	`valdyn`	`!dnm`
`10:57.53`	`dpkg`	`Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals`
`10:57.59`	`[kf]naddar`	`and like to make a deb of it`
`10:58.04`	`BleSS`	`I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx`
`10:58.04`	`Gnea`	`poncha\|work: patience is a virtue you do not hold.`
`10:58.04`	`poncha\|work`	`Gnea, ok, i got the point :) thanks`
`10:58.14`	`Sirlon`	`mornin' all`
`10:58.21`	`valdyn`	`[kf]naddar: probably 'checkinstall' is good for you, otherwise look at what dpkg said and read..`
`10:58.28`	`Jon`	`only 2 minutes of morning left!`
`10:58.34`	`Sirlon`	`yup :-D`
`10:58.40`	`Sirlon`	`i only woke up ;-)`
`10:58.43`	`Jon`	`lovely`
`10:58.50`	`Sirlon`	`:-D`
`10:58.54`	`Jon`	`I wish I did - was up at 8:30 for ice skating lesson`
`10:58.57`	`liable`	`poncha\|work: dont make an ass of yourself either, if you dont get help, then, once again go elsewhere or back to google or the appropriate channel. Starting to troll, doesnt go down well, here, it happens a lot, and usually gets people banned.`
`10:59.07`	`Sirlon`	`ice skating? sounds kool!`
`10:59.28`	`Sirlon`	`err.....sorry u got that in english?`
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`10:59.40`	`liable`	`hah`
`10:59.56`	`Sirlon`	`ok onto real stuf now.....`
`11:00.02`	`paulswm`	`poncha\|work: If the distro you are using doesn't have sufficient support, do what professionals do and switch to the distro which does give you the support level you require. I use debian for a number of reasons, but one factor is certainly that I can get help if I need it.`
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`11:01.02`	`poncha\|work`	`paulswm, that is one of the reasons i use debian as well...`
`11:01.34`	`Sirlon`	`im having a problem with man and trying to log on with Kopete or Kmerlin, keeps prompting me for the right pass but even with the right one in it coks up on me...`
`11:02.00`	`Sirlon`	`I think it cud a clash with the new msn for windooze but im not sure....any ideas?`
`11:02.03`	`paulswm`	`poncha\|work: Sorry, I though the argument was related to distros, now I see it is related to cyrus, did not intend to be patronizing`
`11:02.18`	`poncha\|work`	`paulswm, nope, that was related to cyrus/sasl`
`11:02.27`	`liable`	`Sirlon: what distro?`
`11:02.40`	`Sirlon`	`distro meaning?`
`11:02.52`	`liable`	`what are you using?`
`11:02.52`	`aktinos`	`Sirlon: http://kopete.kde.org/index.php look at the news`
`11:02.53`	`poncha\|work`	`ok, i figure that noone is going to talk about sasl in here.. so if there is anyone that can help with sasl auth and feels like it, please join #cyrus as well? :)`
`11:03.06`	`Sirlon`	`erm...at the mo...debian`
`11:03.07`	`valdyn`	`!tell poncha\|work about ask`
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`11:03.34`	`liable`	`poncha\|work: prolly noone knows :(`
`11:03.41`	`poncha\|work`	`maybe`
`11:03.50`	`liable`	`happens`
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`11:04.44`	`Gnea`	`tarzeau: ok this isn't working right.`
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`11:05.39`	`Solet-deb`	`some where in some conf file my parallel port #1 has been "named" "hp deskjet 940C" and i dont know how to make it un name itself from that`
`11:05.42`	`Sirlon`	`right just had a look at the news but the last entry was in 2003!!!`
`11:06.12`	`Esaj`	`is there a program that lets you organise photos using tags?`
`11:06.12`	`aktinos`	`Sirlon: the announcements in the main page, sorry`
`11:06.22`	`Sirlon`	`oh right.....`
`11:06.23`	`Sirlon`	`kk`
`11:06.45`	`liable`	`Solet-deb: prolly a link?`
`11:06.59`	`Solet-deb`	`where at tho?`
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`11:07.18`	`liable`	`well, hp deskjet?`
`11:07.26`	`stupidkid`	`anyone knows how can i play .nrg file?`
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`11:07.38`	`liable`	`/dev/hpdeskjet or somesuch?`
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`11:08.28`	`liable`	`Solet-deb: what did you install do do it? a proprietry driver?`
`11:08.35`	`Sirlon`	`Alrite it sez i shud recompile kopete from kdes subversion repositery to get the fix.....can any1 explain that in simplton talk for me?`
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`11:08.43`	`Solet-deb`	`liable: what?`
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`11:08.59`	`jethro`	`!aolify Sirlon`
`11:09.03`	`liable`	`haha, just reread that myself, and didnt understand it :)`
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`11:09.21`	`Sirlon`	`lol`
`11:09.32`	`MobyTurbo`	`!lol`
`11:09.32`	`dpkg`	`lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg`
`11:09.40`	`jim`	`Sirlon: first thing you have to do is get it from subversion`
`11:09.40`	`Sirlon`	`can sum1 explain what to do then cus im really confused :-s`
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`11:09.41`	`pzn`	`Hi! my bogofilter just stoped working. when I run it, it seems to run forever. more than 30 mins and it still no outputs from it. also bogoutil --db-verify has the same behaviour. any clue?`
`11:09.43`	`aktinos`	`Sirlon: debian's kopete package 3.3.2-5 works`
`11:10.02`	`jim`	`svn co svn://what.ever/where/ever`
`11:10.05`	`Sirlon`	`so.....i need to do what (whats a subversion?)`
`11:10.06`	`liable`	`Solet-deb: look in /dev`
`11:10.30`	`Solet-deb`	`i did i dont see anything that looks like an hp deskjet 940c at all`
`11:10.35`	`MobyTurbo`	`Sirlon: if you need to ask you shouldn't`
`11:10.41`	`Sirlon`	`huh?`
`11:10.44`	`jim`	`Sirlon: they keep track of the source code in a subversion repository... everyone who works on it commits their changes to the repo`
`11:11.04`	`Sirlon`	`er....im sorta folloing`
`11:11.12`	`liable`	`Solet-deb: how did you get it to do that, to start with? what did you install?`
`11:11.31`	`jim`	`so if it's public you can get it from there like the people working on it do`
`11:11.36`	`Solet-deb`	`the damned thing worked just yesterday... and i tried to change it to print in 'draft' so that it would use less ink cause it was making the paper soggy it was so inky`
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`11:11.59`	`Solet-deb`	`i just installed cups`
`11:12.16`	`Sirlon`	`right....ok so ive sussed the problem with msn/kopete now....can ny1 tell me what to do?`
`11:12.22`	`BleSS`	`anybody could explain me this: ls -lF /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/driver :: it's supposed that each devie points to its driver, true?`
`11:12.31`	`stupidkid`	`how do i extract iso file?`
`11:12.43`	`liable`	`you dont`
`11:12.44`	`jethro`	`Sirlon: if you stop writing like a 12 years old on crack, you might get more help`
`11:12.44`	`paulswm`	`jim, haha`
`11:12.50`	`mosty`	`stupidkid, you don't, you burn it to cd`
`11:12.53`	`stupidkid`	`oh`
`11:13.02`	`Sirlon`	`awwww.......what makes u think im like that?`
`11:13.02`	`jim`	`stupidkid: you can write it to cd or you can mount it using the loop option`
`11:13.10`	`[kf]naddar`	`the following packages have unmet dependencies`
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`11:13.12`	`MobyTurbo`	`!u`
`11:13.12`	`resiak`	`stupidkid: Or you _can_ extract them, but what are you trying to do?`
`11:13.12`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`11:13.15`	`[kf]naddar`	`what does that mean`
`11:13.23`	`liable`	`Solet-deb: so it worked before you installed cups?`
`11:13.29`	`stupidkid`	`thx people :)`
`11:13.32`	`Solet-deb`	`no`
`11:13.36`	`jethro`	`Sirlon: your intensive use of "u", "sum1" "ne1" do`
`11:13.36`	`liable`	`ok.`
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`11:13.47`	`Solet-deb`	`i installed cups and made the printerstart working a month or so ago`
`11:13.48`	`resiak`	`[kf]naddar: It means that they depend on things which apt can't find.`
`11:13.49`	`jethro`	`Sirlon: and all the likewise aol slang does to`
`11:13.50`	`jim`	`[kf]naddar: something you're trying to install needs to have something else installed in order to work`
`11:13.54`	`Sirlon`	`kk`
`11:13.58`	`Sirlon`	`:0-D`
`11:14.05`	`stupidkid`	`my computer is hot. i need to shutdown :(`
`11:14.05`	`Solet-deb`	`i just recently tried to modify it to make it less inky and i broke it`
`11:14.06`	`liable`	`Solet-deb: and then?`
`11:14.18`	`[kf]naddar`	`jim: how can i find what it need`
`11:14.19`	`Sirlon`	`now can someone help me with what i should do?`
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`11:14.27`	`jethro`	`muuuuuuuucho better, thanks Sirlon`
`11:14.31`	`abrocadabro`	`hello, how can I forward every single corresponding port from one host to another? or say a range of ports`
`11:14.32`	`Sirlon`	`:-D`
`11:14.34`	`liable`	`Solet-deb: ok, well, /etc/cups/someshit?`
`11:14.41`	`Sirlon`	`oooh.....was`
`11:14.43`	`Solet-deb`	`i couldnt get it to list its correct uri so i deleted the printer and went to set it back up from fresh... and it cant even set it up from fresh...`
`11:14.47`	`Sirlon`	`ooh...wait...please!!`
`11:14.50`	`jim`	`the message will tell you, or dpkg -s packagename \| grep Depends`
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`11:14.51`	`Solet-deb`	`yeah i'm working on that`
`11:14.57`	`Solet-deb`	`there are a lot of files in there`
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`11:15.37`	`mosty`	`abrocadabro, DNAT`
`11:15.37`	`paulswm`	`!jethro++`
`11:15.37`	`liable`	`Solet-deb: sorry, not much good with printers. :(`
`11:15.37`	`theD3viL`	`Can anyone PLEASE help me to mount cdrom (/mnt/cdrom) with win-1250 encoding?`
`11:15.37`	`abrocadabro`	`mosty: any chance using iproute2 package?`
`11:15.37`	`[kf]naddar`	`libmyth-0.18: depends liblame0`
`11:15.41`	`liable`	`paulswm: good to see you getting stuuf done. :)`
`11:15.45`	`resiak`	`theD3viL: man mount ?`
`11:15.46`	`liable`	`stuff`
`11:15.52`	`orgie`	`hi`
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`11:16.03`	`mosty`	`abrocadabro, it's not routing that you're trying to do. it's NAT`
`11:16.06`	`theD3viL`	`resiak, do you know command ?`
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`11:16.14`	`paulswm`	`liable: I'll get back to it! resiak's having the same problem :)`
`11:16.18`	`abrocadabro`	`mosty: could it have anything to do with tunneling ?`
`11:16.20`	`liable`	`hehe`
`11:16.29`	`resiak`	`theD3viL: No. But there's a nice iocharset option in the "Mount options for fat" which sounds about right.`
`11:16.34`	`abrocadabro`	`mosty: I am a bit confused,`
`11:16.43`	`theD3viL`	`k tnx`
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`11:17.27`	`luulis`	`Sirlon: http://kopete.kde.org/index.php?page=cvs this has instructions on how you can download the latest version from kopete's subversion`
`11:17.27`	`jim`	`!annoy all-devils`
`11:17.42`	`mosty`	`abrocadabro, read the NAT howto at netfilter.org`
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`11:18.00`	`abrocadabro`	`mosty: ok thanks`
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`11:18.05`	`Sirlon`	`wayhay thank you!!!`
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`11:19.00`	`luulis`	`Sirlon: um, actually, it seems you would need kde 3.4 for that and debian doesnt have kde 3.4 yet..`
`11:19.03`	`grouldZ`	`hmm, r6 is out. never noticed.`
`11:19.22`	`[kf]naddar`	`libmyth-0.18: Depends: LINLAME0 (<=3.96.1-1) but 3.96.1-0sarge1 is to be installed`
`11:19.25`	`liable`	`theD3viL: iso-8859-2`
`11:19.29`	`[kf]naddar`	`anyone can explain this erre`
`11:19.30`	`[kf]naddar`	`error`
`11:19.58`	`luulis`	`Sirlon: so better way for you to get the fix at the moment is probably submitting a bug report to bts`
`11:20.05`	`Sirlon`	`ah`
`11:20.13`	`Sirlon`	`any suggestions than?`
`11:20.16`	`theD3viL`	`liable, TNX ;)`
`11:20.18`	`Sirlon`	`*then?`
`11:20.29`	`Sirlon`	`bts?`
`11:20.35`	`jethro`	`!topicsmite Sirlon`
`11:20.36`	`dpkg`	`And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Sirlon. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.`
`11:20.40`	`jim`	`bugs.debian.org`
`11:20.46`	`Sirlon`	`cheerz`
`11:20.49`	`[kf]naddar`	`None?`
`11:20.51`	`[kf]naddar`	`libmyth-0.18: Depends: LINLAME0 (<=3.96.1-1) but 3.96.1-0sarge1 is to be installed`
`11:20.55`	`jim`	`that was very topical`
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`11:21.26`	`Sirlon`	`how do you read /topic then....ive only just experienced the greatness of irc!!`
`11:21.35`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar: apt-get install LINLAME0 see what it says`
`11:21.44`	`jethro`	`Sirlon: you type /topic in your client`
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`11:21.48`	`Sirlon`	`oh`
`11:21.49`	`Sirlon`	`k`
`11:22.26`	`[kf]naddar`	`liblame0 is allready new veriosn`
`11:22.58`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar: it's backtracking process, what is the version of liblame0? dpkg -l\|grep liblame0`
`11:23.07`	`resiak`	`[kf]naddar: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l LINLAME0`
`11:23.50`	`Sirlon`	`ok just to double check with all, is there no way i can get the new msn-capatible version of kopete or Kmerlin with kde3.3 (debian) ?`
`11:23.50`	`abrocadabro`	`export`
`11:24.20`	`jethro`	`Sirlon: ask #debian-kde. they might know better`
`11:24.48`	`Sirlon`	`right ok...since im new to irc what id #debian-kde?`
`11:24.51`	`BleSS`	`I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx`
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`11:25.10`	`[kf]naddar`	`ii liblame0 3.96.1-0sarge1 lame Ain't an mp3 encoder`
`11:25.24`	`jethro`	`Sirlon: I don't understand your question.`
`11:25.40`	`Sirlon`	`what is #debian-kde?`
`11:25.56`	`Sirlon`	`(sorry for my lack of knowlage here im new to irc!!)`
`11:25.59`	`idimmu`	`type /join #debian-kde`
`11:26.07`	`idimmu`	`its another channel like this one :o`
`11:26.10`	`Sirlon`	`ok thanks`
`11:26.15`	`jethro`	`Sirlon: anything with a leading # is usually a channel on IRC`
`11:26.17`	`Sirlon`	`ah ok`
`11:26.28`	`luulis`	`[kf]naddar: is this with only sarge packages?`
`11:26.33`	`Sirlon`	`got it cheerz`
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`11:26.44`	`[kf]naddar`	`dont know`
`11:26.45`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar: hang on, I need to get a sarge machine first`
`11:26.51`	`[kf]naddar`	`ok thanks`
`11:26.54`	`jethro`	`Sirlon: don't let the aol force take control of your typings again :)`
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`11:29.38`	`liable`	`!irritate jethro`
`11:29.38`	`dpkg`	`jethro: hi every1 who uses sound kk`
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`11:29.39`	`liable`	`bleh`
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`11:29.39`	`Solet-deb`	`liable: here's my printer error:`
`11:29.39`	`Solet-deb`	`E [05/Jun/2005:06:36:44 -0500] print_job: resource name '/printers/HPDeskjet940c' no good!`
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`11:29.39`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar where did you get that liblame0 package from?`
`11:29.39`	`jethro`	`@annoy liable`
`11:29.40`	`ravenbird`	`liable: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!!`
`11:29.40`	`liable`	`Solet-deb: sorry, didnt I say I dont really know about printing.`
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`11:29.55`	`Solet-deb`	`oh... :/`
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`11:30.09`	`[kf]naddar`	`abrocadabro from apt-get install`
`11:30.24`	`Solet-deb`	`ok then, anyone know how to fix this error from /ver/logs/cups/error_log : E [05/Jun/2005:06:36:44 -0500] print_job: resource name '/printers/HPDeskjet940c' no good!`
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`11:30.54`	`liable`	`linux prining is up the ass, there really needs to be better support for it, the amount of questions that get unanswered here is ridiculous.`
`11:31.01`	`liable`	`printing`
`11:31.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`liable: if you're using postscript it's trivial. It's been trivial for ages.`
`11:31.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`if you're not using postscript, and have crap printers, well, good luck.`
`11:31.28`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar: did you have ftp.nerim.net in you source list?`
`11:31.37`	`[kf]naddar`	`yup`
`11:31.47`	`[kf]naddar`	`how can i uninstall that maybe i reinstall it once`
`11:31.49`	`liable`	`dondelelcaro: I dont even have one, I'm saying the support generally sucks.`
`11:31.56`	`Solet-deb`	`dondelelcaro: mine is post script... do you know why its trying to look for something in the non existant dir /printers/`
`11:32.35`	`liable`	`dondelelcaro: s/support/documentation`
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`11:32.35`	`dondelelcaro`	`Solet-deb: no clue. If it's really postscript, just use lprng and just set up a sane /etc/lprng/printcap; and be done with it.`
`11:32.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`liable: if the documentation is bad, fix it.`
`11:32.45`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar: what's the package you wanted to install?`
`11:32.55`	`[kf]naddar`	`mythtv`
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`11:33.14`	`liable`	`dondelelcaro: well, do you think I would whinge here, if I could do that?`
`11:33.26`	`dondelelcaro`	`liable: you've got the source, you've got an editor... what's the problem?`
`11:33.28`	`Sirlon`	`nothing is happening on the #debian-kde channel but it says this at the top...#debian-kde :[freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup`
`11:33.48`	`Sirlon`	`ive looked at the instructions but im stilla little cinfused what to do`
`11:33.50`	`jethro`	`Sirlon: that's unrelated to your problem`
`11:33.50`	`Solet-deb`	`dondelelcaro: the problem with that is i would have to figure out what the fuck you're talkinga bout first.... i use cups... i click print it works.... untill 2 hours ago when i tried to make it less inky cause it was bleeding all over the place`
`11:33.51`	`liable`	`dondelelcaro: nm`
`11:34.17`	`paulswm`	`!comfort liable`
`11:34.18`	`dpkg`	`There, there, liable. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`11:34.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`ugh. inkjets`
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`11:34.38`	`Sirlon`	`jethro: you said to talk to the people on the #debian-kde channel but there are about 43 people on there and i cant get a response`
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`11:34.55`	`paulswm`	`Well there's kde for you.`
`11:35.05`	`resiak`	`Sirlon: So, erm, wait?`
`11:35.08`	`Sirlon`	`:-D`
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`11:35.33`	`jethro`	`Sirlon: I said the /topic wasn't related. -kde is the appropriate place though.`
`11:35.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`Sirlon: just /msg nickserv help register`
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`11:35.47`	`paulswm`	`Sirlon: change your nick to 'hotbunnygirl' and ask them again :P`
`11:35.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`(assuming you're asking about what nickserv said)`
`11:35.56`	`liable`	`hahahaha`
`11:36.00`	`Sirlon`	`:-d`
`11:36.19`	`jethro`	`dondelelcaro: he's new to IRC and has a kopete problem. I don't think he needs registering at this point`
`11:36.28`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar: I am exactly certian about this, what if you change testing branch to unstable and apt-get update and apt-get install again`
`11:36.28`	`[kf]naddar`	`abrocadabro: http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/`
`11:36.31`	`Sirlon`	`it said this when i joined #kde-debian...#debian-kde :[freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup`
`11:36.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`jethro: see above.`
`11:36.45`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar: not exactly sure`
`11:37.07`	`paulswm`	`It only takes a minute to resiter a nick`
`11:37.14`	`paulswm`	`register*`
`11:37.17`	`Sirlon`	`rright`
`11:37.25`	`Sirlon`	`how do i go about doing that?`
`11:37.42`	`dondelelcaro`	`Sirlon: just /msg nickserv help register`
`11:37.47`	`liable`	`i dont think thats the prob, they prolly all just idling.`
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`11:38.03`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar: see, it has it is for unstable and woody, sarge is testing`
`11:38.05`	`Sirlon`	`ok will do thanks`
`11:38.12`	`paulswm`	`They're prolly all busy installing Gnome`
`11:38.13`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar:s/has/says`
`11:38.31`	`[kf]naddar`	`only unstable and woode :(`
`11:38.39`	`liable`	`paulswm: bah.`
`11:38.56`	`paulswm`	`liable: j/k buddy`
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`11:39.26`	`jethro`	`!wb abrotman`
`11:39.26`	`dpkg`	`O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned!`
`11:39.45`	`abrotman`	`jethro: you're up already?`
`11:39.46`	`Sirlon`	`so do i type in here...register <password>?`
`11:40.01`	`abrotman`	`Sirlon: /msg nickserv help`
`11:40.09`	`jethro`	`abrotman: if I slept too long, I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight :)`
`11:42.47`	`abrocadabro`	`h[kf]naddar: the maintainer made it very clear at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/`
`11:42.47`	`[kf]naddar`	`where can i find that program then`
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`11:42.48`	`liable`	`Sirlon: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml`
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`11:42.48`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar: read http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/, it tells you what exactly you need to do`
`11:42.48`	`silverton`	`omg... finally, I am absolutely finished with it!`
`11:42.48`	`Sirlon`	`ok well im off to have some grub now so ill try to figure ut out in a little while!`
`11:42.49`	`silverton`	`it took me over 8 hours to complete`
`11:42.53`	`Sirlon`	`c ya in abit`
`11:42.56`	`silverton`	`but, I have debian on a 486SX!`
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`11:43.28`	`liable`	`good on ya knackers`
`11:43.43`	`liable`	`:)`
`11:44.09`	`silverton`	`sadly though, I'll have to be doing it again soon :(`
`11:44.20`	`silverton`	`soon as I get the data off the other drive it has, I'll be putting it on the other drive`
`11:44.27`	`silverton`	`since, a 240MB drive isn't cuttin it, rofl`
`11:44.31`	`renegad3`	`hi`
`11:44.49`	`liable`	`silverton: dd`
`11:45.03`	`silverton`	`??`
`11:45.10`	`liable`	`man dd`
`11:45.30`	`silverton`	`ohh, for copying over, so I wouldn't have to reinstall`
`11:45.31`	`[kf]naddar`	`dont find it :(`
`11:45.43`	`renegad3`	`I just installed nvidia drivers for my toshiba laptop from the debian wiki site, all went well with the install, but the screen looks shit house. its got pink and green lines :( any help on this?`
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`11:46.04`	`silverton`	`would that work for copying over to a partition of a different size?`
`11:46.17`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea IS TEH bub-n-bros addict!`
`11:46.22`	`liable`	`as long as its bigger`
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`11:46.30`	`abrocadabro`	`[kf]naddar: after you added that into your source, apt-get update && apt-get install mythtv`
`11:46.53`	`abrotman`	`!bub-n-bros-smite tarzeau`
`11:46.57`	`liable`	`tarzeau: you bnbros pusher. :)`
`11:47.16`	`tarzeau`	`liable: this is so funny! JOIN!`
`11:48.26`	`liable`	`tarzeau: bleh, running windows, cant get my laptop winmodem to work on motel pabx. Maybe next week when i'm home. Can play on dial-up?`
`11:48.36`	`tarzeau`	`liable: it also runs on windows ;)`
`11:48.43`	`tarzeau`	`liable: sure if you can send/recv 1kb/s`
`11:48.49`	`X21`	`so does anybody here know about how to implement qos to limit web traffic to priotise mail and ftp`
`11:49.07`	`abrotman`	`X21: there are readme's/howto's about it`
`11:49.10`	`liable`	`tarzeau: haha, you truly are a pusher, have an answer for eberything. :)`
`11:49.22`	`liable`	`everything`
`11:49.31`	`Gnea`	`werd`
`11:49.34`	`abrotman`	`!qos`
`11:49.34`	`dpkg`	`i guess qos is Quality of Service, a way of prioritizing IP traffic, or see DiffServ, or see Linux 2.4 Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO at http://www.ds9a.nl/2.4Routing/`
`11:49.39`	`abrotman`	`!bub-n-bros-smite Gnea`
`11:49.49`	`tarzeau`	`LOLZ, kamikaze dragons`
`11:49.53`	`jethro`	`X21: /msg dpkg lartc`
`11:50.14`	`Gnea`	`heh`
`11:50.26`	`X21`	`i was thinking about maybe implementing delay pools in squid`
`11:50.38`	`X21`	`is this any good`
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`11:51.34`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: did you see the draogn that picked the wand?`
`11:51.42`	`tarzeau`	`make alot of bubbles before you kill the last monster`
`11:51.49`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: all bubbles turn into DIAMONDS! or ICE CREAM`
`11:51.51`	`abrotman`	`isn't there a #bub-n-bros to discuss the game ? :)`
`11:51.53`	`renegad3`	`anyone hack me and fix my nvidia prob ;)`
`11:51.57`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: yes`
`11:51.59`	`renegad3`	`lol my prob just fixed itself`
`11:52.09`	`X21`	`been looking at the larc website before seems a bit complex`
`11:52.09`	`renegad3`	`ermm strange`
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`11:53.00`	`Gnea`	`WATERMELON`
`11:53.16`	`X21`	`so is tcng and htb the way to go about implementing Quality of service then?`
`11:53.17`	`liable`	`tarzeau: ok, downloading. brb.`
`11:53.20`	`paulswm`	`!hack renegad3`
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`11:53.27`	`jethro`	`watermelon man`
`11:53.34`	`tarzeau`	`MULTIPLAYER PACMAN`
`11:53.49`	`tarzeau`	`liable: yeah you miss all the fun ;)`
`11:54.45`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: i ate it ;)`
`11:55.02`	`liable`	`brb, beer refill. :)`
`11:55.46`	`tarzeau`	`cracks me so up DIAMONDS`
`11:56.17`	`tarzeau`	`fruits that are four times larger than a dragon`
`11:56.41`	`abrocadabro`	`X21: there is a lartc mailing list that you may wish to ask`
`11:56.43`	`tarzeau`	`they musta had lots drugs in their blood when they wrote this game`
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`11:57.32`	`Gnea`	`haw`
`11:57.33`	`X21`	`so has anybody here implemented qos before then?`
`11:57.37`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: now how was this uber-bonus-level ?`
`11:58.10`	`Gnea`	`tarzeau: they all look stoned :)`
`11:58.21`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: yeah, when they die too`
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`11:58.24`	`Gnea`	`hehehehehe`
`11:58.43`	`X21`	`does anybody know about delay pools in squid?`
`11:58.44`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: did i tell it doesn't stop in level 100? it just starts again in level 1 ;)`
`11:59.00`	`BleSS`	`I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx`
`11:59.23`	`*** join/#debian supaman (~ojs@dhcp0039.gjk.dk)`
`11:59.30`	`Gnea`	`tarzeau: this game owns.`
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`11:59.52`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: :)`
`12:00.04`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: you know you can play 3 players on one keyboard... got a sister or mom around?`
`12:00.08`	`supaman`	`hi, I have a problem with sound, all of a sudden it doesnt work and every sound program pretends not to find /dev/dsp, but I didnt change anything`
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`12:01.11`	`supaman`	`worked fine yesterday, but this morning, doesnt work`
`12:01.12`	`Gnea`	`wtf`
`12:01.16`	`Gnea`	`crash?`
`12:01.17`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: game server crashed`
`12:01.20`	`Gnea`	`ah`
`12:01.20`	`silverton\|486SX`	`wow...that was horrible`
`12:01.24`	`Gnea`	`tarzeau: heh naw just me :(`
`12:01.25`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: yeah, well i played 200 levels, enough for me`
`12:01.31`	`silverton\|486SX`	`this poor thing had to list all 750 users`
`12:01.50`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: my head is so bubbly hot, short before exploding`
`12:01.51`	`Gnea`	`silverton\|486SX: i blame you!`
`12:01.56`	`theD3viL`	`what this means? mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso-8859-2'`
`12:01.58`	`Gnea`	`and your 486 SuX!`
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`12:01.59`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`12:02.08`	`tarzeau`	`theD3viL: what command did you type?`
`12:02.14`	`tarzeau`	`theD3viL: or you've borked your /etc/fstab`
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`12:02.20`	`theD3viL`	`mount -t iso-8859-2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom`
`12:02.23`	`Gnea`	`silverton\|486SX: heh yeah, there are a lot of people in here`
`12:02.25`	`silverton\|486SX`	`hmm....it's lagging horribly on this server...`
`12:02.39`	`silverton\|486SX`	`I can't see what you type, but ya'll can see what I type`
`12:02.39`	`[kf]naddar`	`anyone using mythtv`
`12:02.42`	`theD3viL`	`tarzeau, mount -o iso-8859-2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom`
`12:02.43`	`Gnea`	`theD3viL: mount -t iso-8859 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom`
`12:02.46`	`Gnea`	`er`
`12:02.49`	`[kf]naddar`	`it works but it tells me can'(t connect to database`
`12:02.52`	`tarzeau`	`Gnea: study these: http://bub-n-bros.sourceforge.net/crazybonuses.html`
`12:02.55`	`silverton\|486SX`	`ah, there it goes`
`12:02.58`	`supaman`	`theD3viL: probably you dont have kernel support for that filesystem type`
`12:03.04`	`silverton\|486SX`	`seems to be catching up now :D`
`12:03.11`	`Gnea`	`theD3viL: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom`
`12:03.35`	`theD3viL`	`Gnea, if i mount iso9660 my laguange not work :)`
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`12:04.38`	`silverton\|486SX`	`this box has a 8.2cm vpenis...`
`12:04.43`	`Gnea`	`theD3viL: maybe it's an -o option then: man mount`
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`12:05.37`	`theD3viL`	`tarzeau, i didnt broke my /etc/fstab`
`12:05.44`	`tarzeau`	`http://people.debian.org/~joey/stuff/debian-announce.txt`
`12:05.47`	`tico`	`hi i made some changes in lilo but i'm not sure how to run it to have no problem when i turn on the computer and boot so i have to go to /sbin and type ./lilo ?`
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`12:05.53`	`tarzeau`	`theD3viL: then your mount command was wrong`
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`12:06.03`	`tarzeau`	`tico: just type lilo, be root`
`12:06.07`	`tarzeau`	`tico: why not switch to GRUB?`
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`12:06.31`	`dave_`	`hi everybody`
`12:06.35`	`theD3viL`	`tarzeau, mount -t iso-8859-2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom <- thats wrong?`
`12:06.43`	`jethro`	`duh`
`12:06.47`	`jethro`	`theD3viL: the argument to -t`
`12:06.51`	`tico`	`tarzeau: mm i don't know, what do i gotta do to change it to grub?`
`12:06.52`	`tarzeau`	`theD3viL: YES`
`12:06.54`	`Gnea`	`theD3viL: yeah cuz it's not listed in /proc/filesystems`
`12:07.02`	`tarzeau`	`theD3viL: there is no filesystem called iso-8859-2`
`12:07.12`	`theD3viL`	`tarzeau, what then ?`
`12:07.13`	`tarzeau`	`theD3viL: is that some windows fat shit?`
`12:07.19`	`tarzeau`	`theD3viL: it's an option to a filesystem`
`12:07.22`	`tarzeau`	`theD3viL: www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/`
`12:07.31`	`liable`	`theD3viL: ffs google it, http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=linux++win-1250+cdrom&btnG=Google+Search&meta=`
`12:07.31`	`theD3viL`	`tarzeau, oh.. tnx`
`12:07.32`	`tarzeau`	`tico: grub-install /what/ever`
`12:07.42`	`tarzeau`	`!tnx`
`12:07.42`	`dpkg`	`Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it?`
`12:07.43`	`Gnea`	`theD3viL: you're talking about loading a language extension to the iso9660 filesystem, so you have to make sure you've compiled iso-8859-2 and loaded it or into the kernel`
`12:07.49`	`orjan`	`To update from woody is it enough to do a dist-upgrade? Any docs, factoids?`
`12:08.02`	`tarzeau`	`orjan: yes, but it's not out yet`
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`12:08.16`	`liable`	`!tell orjan about woody > srage`
`12:08.24`	`Gnea`	`!srage`
`12:08.26`	`liable`	`!tell orjan about woody > sarge`
`12:08.30`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`12:08.31`	`orjan`	`tarzeau: I know, securety is up so it's good enough for me`
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`12:08.38`	`MobyTurbo`	`!tell orjan about woody->sarge`
`12:08.40`	`liable`	`!bite Gnea`
`12:08.49`	`liable`	`:)`
`12:08.55`	`Gnea`	`!helixsmite liable`
`12:09.05`	`Gnea`	`;)`
`12:09.11`	`liable`	`excellent`
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`12:10.46`	`orjan`	`liable: MobyTurbo I know how to do it but I seem to remeber having to update dpkg first in other releases..but perhaps I remeber wrong`
`12:11.02`	`liable`	`ffs 54 mins to go for bnb, fuck it, can wait till I get home.`
`12:11.43`	`liable`	`orjan: do as the factoid say's, should be right.`
`12:11.54`	`MobyTurbo`	`orjan: it's not necessary, at least it wasn't necessary when I did it months ago.`
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`12:13.10`	`snadge`	`can anyone give any experiences with "apt-get -t experimental install gnome" ? (gnome 2.10.1)`
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`12:13.32`	`MobyTurbo`	`snadge: if you need to ask you shouldn't`
`12:13.53`	`snadge`	`i take it from that response.. its rooted, and will kill your debian install ;)`
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`12:14.09`	`snadge`	`i just wanted to ask before i tried it..`
`12:14.10`	`liable`	`snadge: well, do you really need 2.10 that bad?`
`12:14.14`	`asg`	`!experimental`
`12:14.14`	`dpkg`	`experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental.`
`12:14.31`	`snadge`	`lol!`
`12:14.42`	`MobyTurbo`	`!lol`
`12:14.42`	`dpkg`	`lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg`
`12:15.08`	`snadge`	`is there anyway to uninstall the experimental packages, without causing damage`
`12:15.14`	`liable`	`I just dont understand why everyone needs the latest software, when its not really needed. ie, for hardware support.`
`12:15.36`	`snadge`	`i just want to check out the latest version of gnome`
`12:15.52`	`MobyTurbo`	`liable: bit rot. If software is more than 1 month old, it suffers from bit rot.`
`12:16.00`	`jethro`	`liable: fashion victims`
`12:16.00`	`linuxbomb`	`haha`
`12:16.01`	`liable`	`snadge: not really, gets a bit funky if you dont know what you're doing`
`12:16.02`	`asg`	`snadge: then download an ubuntu live-cd or something. #debian doesn't support experimental.`
`12:16.20`	`tarzeau`	`snadge: debian doesn't support ubuntu`
`12:16.28`	`liable`	`hehe, that must be it. :)`
`12:17.02`	`pwned`	`I support experimental. I suggest you install whatever comes out of it. Or make a cronjob do it for you.`
`12:17.14`	`pwned`	`that way you won't be here for long anyway`
`12:17.15`	`jethro`	`!lart pwned`
`12:17.27`	`pwned`	`!unlart pwned`
`12:17.28`	`liable`	`wtf`
`12:17.31`	`jethro`	`:)`
`12:17.36`	`pwned`	`noo`
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`12:17.38`	`rosco`	`hi`
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`12:18.08`	`liable`	`rosco: hi`
`12:18.30`	`rosco`	`I would like to install a debian server in my office, and I would like the stability of "stable", but I require some packages of testing. What is the best way to archieve this, install stable, and wait for the package to be integrated ?`
`12:18.31`	`MobyTurbo`	`!hi rosco`
`12:18.32`	`dpkg`	`Many greetings, rosco, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.`
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`12:18.39`	`asg`	`rosco: /msg dpkg d-i`
`12:18.54`	`asg`	`rosco: sarge is supposed to release as stable tomorrow.`
`12:19.25`	`tarzeau`	`asg: maybe it's pre-released?`
`12:19.29`	`liable`	`rosco: install sarge, its almost testing. read on google or /topic.`
`12:19.41`	`liable`	`err, stable`
`12:19.45`	`rosco`	`asg: by sarge, you mean the actual "testing" branch ?`
`12:20.10`	`pwned`	`hm. So what happens when testing becomes stable? do we change our repositories? will there be a delay?`
`12:20.11`	`asg`	`tarzeau: well, shultz has drafted the release announcment and mcintyre is burning smoke test cds (or has done by now.)`
`12:20.11`	`Grant`	`Well what's the version taking over sarge?`
`12:20.15`	`MobyTurbo`	`rosco: sarge is testing today, stable tomorrow. Use "sarge" in your /etc/apt/sources.list`
`12:20.22`	`pwned`	`ah sarge ok`
`12:20.36`	`liable`	`sheeeesh`
`12:20.39`	`asg`	`rosco: testing is now frozen, it will be release as stable tomorrow (with any luck.) Just install that, it's stable enough now.`
`12:20.45`	`tarzeau`	`asg: okay, i've just read the preview announcement`
`12:20.49`	`tarzeau`	`asg: what are you doing?`
`12:20.58`	`Grant`	`so "frozen" is the new name?`
`12:21.07`	`asg`	`tarzeau: sitting here finishing last night's beer and getting ready to have a coffee why?`
`12:21.10`	`Grant`	`erm`
`12:21.13`	`Grant`	`never mind`
`12:21.16`	`Grant`	`im on drugs`
`12:21.20`	`liable`	`hehe`
`12:21.30`	`tarzeau`	`asg: just was curious`
`12:21.32`	`Grant`	`what's the new name for the "testing" version?`
`12:21.34`	`liable`	`Grant: yes, go chill. :)`
`12:21.37`	`MobyTurbo`	`!tell Grant -about enter`
`12:21.37`	`tarzeau`	`Grant: etch`
`12:21.46`	`asg`	`tarzeau: oh, I'm not involved, if that's what you were getting at.`
`12:21.48`	`Grant`	`etch? what character is that?`
`12:21.49`	`jethro`	`MobyTurbo: pointless, he's on drugs :)`
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`12:21.58`	`liable`	`Grant: now its sarge, when sarge releases, etch\`
`12:22.00`	`tarzeau`	`asg: yes i was asking that`
`12:22.01`	`asg`	`Grant: the etch-a-sketch`
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`12:22.08`	`asg`	`tarzeau: how's the bnb going?`
`12:22.13`	`Grant`	`sweet :D`
`12:22.17`	`liable`	`oh god`
`12:22.17`	`Grant`	`long time since i watched toy story`
`12:22.21`	`tarzeau`	`asg: over, server crashed, and they coudln't get me to restart it`
`12:22.23`	`MobyTurbo`	`jethro: it's always pointless, I try anyway.`
`12:22.28`	`tarzeau`	`asg: but if you'd join, i'd start it....`
`12:22.28`	`jethro`	`heh`
`12:22.42`	`liable`	`pusher`
`12:22.48`	`asg`	`tarzeau: thanks but I'll pass, just not my type of game.`
`12:22.51`	`liable`	`:)`
`12:22.51`	`tarzeau`	`asg: we've had three bonus levels: lemmings multiplayer, tetris multiplayer and pacman multiplayer`
`12:22.58`	`tarzeau`	`liable: bah`
`12:23.01`	`Grant`	`so eh stupid question but i change sarge to etch`
`12:23.02`	`asg`	`tarzeau: the crazy bonuses look funny though.`
`12:23.06`	`liable`	`hehe`
`12:23.09`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: I want the space invaders one!`
`12:23.17`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: you addict!`
`12:23.20`	`Grant`	`when sarge becomes stable`
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`12:23.27`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: well that's the only one I m good and constant at`
`12:23.30`	`MobyTurbo`	`Grant: if you follow "testing" it will do that automatically.`
`12:23.34`	`asg`	`Grant: no, testing if you want to track what will become etch`
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`12:23.47`	`liable`	`tarzeau: dont worry, you got me, just have to get back home. :)`
`12:23.52`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: it's possible to play only bonus levels ;)`
`12:24.01`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: :)`
`12:24.04`	`Grant`	`deb ftp://ftp.debian.pacific.net.au/debian sarge main non-free contrib <--- that's whats in there right now..`
`12:24.15`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: www.linuks.mine.nu/bubnbros/readme`
`12:24.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`Grant: then you will track sarge, which is probably a sane thing.`
`12:24.33`	`tarzeau`	`Grant: i'd remove non-free and contrib`
`12:24.33`	`rikva`	`Hi, some users of my server would like to access their homedir webbased (i would set this up via ssl). Does anyone know of a php/cgi script/prog that can grant users access to their homedirs via the browser?`
`12:24.38`	`tarzeau`	`Grant: and add a deb-src line`
`12:24.43`	`tarzeau`	`Grant: see telnet linuks.mine.nu`
`12:24.56`	`tarzeau`	`rikva: just use apache with directory listing`
`12:25.19`	`Unskill3d`	`does anybody know how to tunnel http over a socks-proxy ?`
`12:25.19`	`rikva`	`tarzeau: that's only the public_html dir`
`12:25.19`	`Grant`	`woahhhhh tarzeau u confuse me man`
`12:25.20`	`Grant`	`lol`
`12:25.21`	`tarzeau`	`rikva: well you can configure it to be the whole home`
`12:25.46`	`jethro`	`Unskill3d: that's in the browser settings, if supported`
`12:25.50`	`rikva`	`tarzeau: that is not very handy, they also need webspace that everyone can reach`
`12:26.06`	`tarzeau`	`rikva: ok i can't help you`
`12:26.10`	`rikva`	`np :)`
`12:26.19`	`jethro`	`Unskill3d: firefox has it under edit -> preferences -> connection settings`
`12:26.20`	`tarzeau`	`rikva: they need a real spanking!`
`12:26.26`	`rikva`	`hehe`
`12:26.35`	`BleSS`	`I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx`
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`12:26.42`	`asg`	`rikva: why not just use a GUI sftp/scp client to allow them to access things.`
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`12:27.20`	`rikva`	`asg: well, it needs to go thru port 80 or 443, preferely 80 because ssh/ftp ports are blocked in their proxt`
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`12:27.23`	`Unskill3d`	`jethro: if i try so then i only get a download window while trying to visit a url`
`12:27.23`	`rikva`	`proxy*`
`12:27.41`	`asg`	`rikva: oh okay.`
`12:27.47`	`jethro`	`Unskill3d: fix the proxy`
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`12:27.53`	`Unskill3d`	`jethro: cuz my http is down atm. and i only have socks-server up now.`
`12:28.19`	`Unskill3d`	`jethro: not mine. im in an uni here`
`12:28.44`	`Unskill3d`	`damn i have to w8 till admin will fix it again i guess`
`12:28.45`	`jethro`	`Unskill3d: can you ssh outside?`
`12:28.50`	`jethro`	`!aolify Unskill3d`
`12:29.22`	`Unskill3d`	`jethro: yes over my unix acc`
`12:29.23`	`jethro`	`Unskill3d: it's much appreciated when one doesn't type like a 12 years old AOL IM user. don't use w8, use wait. for our good`
`12:29.38`	`Unskill3d`	`jethro: kk sorry`
`12:30.22`	`MobyTurbo`	`I think I understand why U2 sang "bloody Sunday"`
`12:30.48`	`jethro`	`Unskill3d: if you can ssh to a system which has a direct access to the internet, use ssh -D<someport>, and then, in the browser settings, use a socks proxy on localhost:<someport> (obviously the same as the one used in the ssh command line)`
`12:30.52`	`Unskill3d`	`MobyTurbo: it has something to do with IRA, dowsnt it?`
`12:31.06`	`jethro`	`Unskill3d: it has to do with /msg dpkg sing sunday`
`12:31.13`	`dondelelcaro`	`MobyTurbo: unfortunatly, we can't make the sundays very bloody... we'd rapidly become less anoying`
`12:31.21`	`jethro`	`:)`
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`12:31.50`	`Unskill3d`	`jethro: ok ill have a look. thanks`
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`12:35.45`	`Pepper`	`Unskill3d: BSUR`
`12:36.02`	`Unskill3d`	`Pepper: BSUR ?`
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`12:37.05`	`viyyer`	`what is the default admin user for horde2 ?`
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`12:38.35`	`liable`	`viyyer: maybe the documentation will tell you?`
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`12:40.01`	`viyyer`	`liable, I'm doing that but strangely.. I am not able to login ..into the default user/password .. which was created on installation.`
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`12:41.51`	`Nach`	`I dist-upgrade'd the other day, and now Bit Torrent doesn't seem to connect, are there Firewall settings I have to update?`
`12:42.07`	`x140yu\|`	`Hi,all........ :)`
`12:42.48`	`asg`	`Nach: upgraded from what to what?`
`12:43.00`	`liable`	`fucking windows, my hard drive is constantly being accessed, which, because its windows, makes me nervous.`
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`12:43.14`	`Nach`	`asg: From ~1 month old of unstable to current unstable`
`12:43.24`	`asg`	`Nach: well, checking the bts would be a good start`
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`12:43.48`	`liable`	`Nach: and what is your firewall?`
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`12:44.10`	`Nach`	`liable, I never set one up, which is why I'm asking if recently something was changed that I have to setup`
`12:44.19`	`liable`	`Nach: and if you dont know, dont run sid, cause you prolly dont have one`
`12:44.20`	`ryanomalley`	`okay I booted up into debian and the res was 640x480, and I go into screen resolution but the res is unchangable`
`12:44.22`	`ryanomalley`	`what do I dO?`
`12:44.48`	`Nach`	`liable, why shouln't I run Sid?`
`12:44.49`	`liable`	`Nach: dont run sid.`
`12:45.03`	`jethro`	`Nach: /msg dpkg sid faq`
`12:45.17`	`liable`	`Nach: cause you obviously dont know what you are doing.`
`12:45.47`	`Nach`	`liable, and how is such a thing obvious, let alone true?`
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`12:46.24`	`liable`	`Nach: nevermind, continue, and good luck.`
`12:46.46`	`Nach`	`Right...`
`12:48.34`	`linuxbomb`	`whats the command to send a files contents do rm such as rm \| cat crapfiles.txt`
`12:48.39`	`jethro`	`dpkg: drxx ryushe`
`12:48.40`	`dpkg`	`ryushe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root)`
`12:48.49`	`jethro`	`ah he left`
`12:48.55`	`jethro`	`ryushe: nevermind what dpkg said`
`12:49.15`	`liable`	`impatient. :)`
`12:49.33`	`jethro`	`heh`
`12:49.33`	`Nach`	`Okay, I checked the BTS, I don't see any recent issues with Bit Torrent like I have. I just upgraded the other day, and now I'm not connecting, could it be something other than Bit Torrent that would be preventing the connect?`
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`12:49.58`	`jethro`	`Nach: not connecting to what?`
`12:50.02`	`jethro`	`!irritate tralala`
`12:50.03`	`dpkg`	`tralala: wenas how does I run teh quake3 U FUX0RZ`
`12:50.04`	`Nach`	`jethro, peers`
`12:50.12`	`MobyTurbo`	`linuxbomb: maybe you're looking for using find and xargs in a pipeline`
`12:50.13`	`jethro`	`Nach: /msg dpkg sicco`
`12:50.13`	`baku`	`hi. I am the mantainer of soma project (http://soma.realityhacking.org). I need speek with a mantainer debian for the packages of suite soma. If someone is interested of the project and want be the mantainer of debian packages, query me.`
`12:50.19`	`asg`	`Nach: your ISP might now be blocking it, the server you are trying to connect to might be down.`
`12:50.21`	`tralala`	`jethro: that was fast!`
`12:50.23`	`tralala`	`:)`
`12:50.28`	`jethro`	`tralala: heh`
`12:50.32`	`abrotman`	`baku: file an RFP`
`12:50.35`	`tralala`	`have you aliased me?`
`12:50.41`	`Nach`	`asg: The server is not down`
`12:50.43`	`jethro`	`tralala: no I haven't :)`
`12:50.45`	`abrotman`	`!rfp`
`12:50.45`	`dpkg`	`rfp is probably a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: "`
`12:50.54`	`tralala`	`;)`
`12:51.03`	`asg`	`baku: also, the debian-mentors list might be a good place to look.`
`12:51.13`	`baku`	`asg tnx.`
`12:51.22`	`tarzeau`	`asg: i wonder if anyone was successful with debian-mentors`
`12:51.35`	`timo`	`linuxbomb, for i in $(cat crapfiles.txt); do rm $i; done`
`12:51.44`	`Unskill3d`	`does anybody know a unix text based http browser?`
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`12:51.57`	`jethro`	`Unskill3d: links2/links/lynx/w3m`
`12:52.02`	`jethro`	`Unskill3d: just pick one`
`12:52.03`	`K_Dallas`	`elinks`
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`12:52.08`	`Unskill3d`	`jethro: thanks`
`12:52.09`	`tarzeau`	`Unskill3d: links2`
`12:52.16`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: damn are you fast`
`12:52.17`	`asg`	`tarzeau: dunno, but it's worth a try.`
`12:52.23`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: i am :)`
`12:52.25`	`Nivex`	`win 23`
`12:52.28`	`streuner`	`hm, we forgot telnet ;-)`
`12:52.28`	`Nivex`	`grr`
`12:52.28`	`pwned`	`Unskill3d: netcat`
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`12:52.36`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: and html2text`
`12:52.38`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: spent too much time IRCing I guess.`
`12:52.49`	`pwned`	`cryptocat!`
`12:52.50`	`tralala`	`I have added ppp0 to my network/interfaces but the post-up command is not executed. Ideas?`
`12:53.01`	`jethro`	`pwned: s/o//`
`12:53.07`	`pwned`	`yes, cryptcat`
`12:53.25`	`pwned`	`it can do everything mozilla does and more`
`12:53.48`	`BleSS`	`I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx`
`12:53.50`	`jethro`	`pwned: you need to do the rendering yourself though`
`12:53.58`	`pwned`	`jethro: nah, I use external programs`
`12:54.05`	`jethro`	`BleSS: what sort of help do you need?`
`12:54.16`	`jethro`	`BleSS: if it's about bash scripting, /j #bash`
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`12:55.00`	`BleSS`	`jethro, i need get the result of that command, so i can build a data base about graphic cards and its modules`
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`12:55.33`	`jethro`	`BleSS: and? how is this on topic in #debian?`
`12:55.43`	`Nach`	`asg: I just checked my other PC, it's downloading fine, so it's definitly something specific that happened during recent upgrade`
`12:56.24`	`asg`	`Nach: well, try grabbing the previous version from snapshot.debian.net (and dpkg -i to downgrade) and see if that fixes things. If so, check /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* for what might have changed and file bugs.`
`12:56.47`	`dave_`	`I need some help!!!`
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`12:56.56`	`jethro`	`@annoy dave_`
`12:56.56`	`ravenbird`	`dave_: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!!`
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`12:57.24`	`dave_`	`how i can to recovery a file removed?`
`12:57.33`	`dave_`	`whit this line rm -dfr`
`12:57.45`	`asg`	`dave_: what filesystem do you have?`
`12:58.03`	`dave_`	`ext3`
`12:58.12`	`jethro`	`dave_: restore from a backup (which I doubt you have anyway..) or use some undelete tool, depending on which filesystem you use, there may be some`
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`12:58.19`	`BleSS`	`dave_, if it isn't ext2, it's very difficult`
`12:58.25`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: ok the game is ready to be joined now!`
`12:58.33`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: alright, joining`
`12:58.38`	`liable`	`haha`
`12:58.48`	`tralala`	`dave_: from the backups - don't tell us you don't have any backups`
`12:58.56`	`jethro`	`!backups`
`12:58.56`	`dpkg`	`I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other me's in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other me's in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data`
`12:59.03`	`dave_`	`which tool i can use?`
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`12:59.09`	`tarzeau`	`liable: haha ;)`
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`12:59.35`	`liable`	`tarzeau: give me 3 days, i'll be there :)`
`12:59.57`	`tarzeau`	`liable: ok ;)`
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`13:01.04`	`liable`	`dave_: google recover deleted file ext3`
`13:01.14`	`liable`	`easy`
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`13:01.41`	`Nach`	`asg: I just installed official client from: http://www.bittorrent.com/dl/bittorrent-4.0.2.linux_i686-2_all.deb and it's working fine now`
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`13:02.25`	`liable`	`Nach: well file a bug for the debian one`
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`13:03.27`	`Nach`	`liable, and what should I say, latest version just doesn't work?`
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`13:03.58`	`dave_`	`ok thnx`
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`13:04.02`	`liable`	`Nach: yes, whatever you can say, then say it.`
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`13:05.00`	`Xenguy`	`ww`
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`13:07.33`	`cinos`	`Hi, how can i see witch Debain version runns of my system?`
`13:07.49`	`oZt`	`which*`
`13:07.56`	`asg`	`cinos: /etc/debian_version`
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`13:08.05`	`cinos`	`thx`
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`13:15.08`	`supaman`	`my sound doesnt work, strace mpg123 somfile.mp3 says that /dev/dsp doesnt exist but ls -l /dev/dsp disagrees ...`
`13:15.32`	`tarzeau`	`only 1 slot left for the best game! join now.. http://bub-n-bros.sf.net`
`13:15.56`	`paulswm`	`!irritate tarzeau`
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`13:15.59`	`dpkg`	`tarzeau: hi every1 who uses cable hello?`
`13:16.19`	`supaman`	`open("/dev/dsp", O_WRONLY) = -1 ENODEV (No such device)`
`13:16.25`	`supaman`	`crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2002-03-14 22:51 /dev/dsp`
`13:16.38`	`supaman`	`and I am a member of the audio gropu`
`13:16.47`	`supaman`	`s/gropu/group`
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`13:17.34`	`supaman`	`the same error if I execute the strace as root`
`13:17.34`	`lewis`	`can someone give me the dpkg message for running remote system analysis tests on debian (i.e. memtest and disk checks)`
`13:17.35`	`asg`	`supaman: did you logout and login after adding yourself to that group?`
`13:17.38`	`liable`	`supaman: whats alsconf do?`
`13:17.41`	`Golfgeo`	`apt?`
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`13:17.55`	`tarzeau`	`LOLZ UBERBONUS`
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`13:18.22`	`supaman`	`asg: yes, its been ages since I did that, this just all of a sudden happened over the night`
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`13:18.33`	`asg`	`supaman: oh, okay.`
`13:18.40`	`sanxiyn`	`!wwsr`
`13:18.40`	`dpkg`	`Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. The current estimate is that it will be released around June 6th. Latest release update: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00020.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver>`
`13:18.43`	`supaman`	`liable: I dont have alsa`
`13:18.51`	`liable`	`oh`
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`13:19.19`	`liable`	`supaman: no upgrade?`
`13:19.28`	`supaman`	`liable: not that I know of :-)`
`13:19.37`	`supaman`	`liable: and Im the only user here :-)`
`13:19.50`	`asg`	`supaman: anything interesting in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/kern.log?`
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`13:20.01`	`liable`	`supaman: well, did you do something?`
`13:20.10`	`supaman`	`asg: let me check better, didnt see anything on an earlyer check`
`13:20.38`	`supaman`	`liable: nope, havnt logged in as root since before this started to happen`
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`13:22.15`	`BleSS`	`I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx`
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`13:24.04`	`rikva`	`Anyone got PyKDE working on Sarge?`
`13:24.07`	`paulswm`	`Good, BleSS has been spamming that on and off all day`
`13:24.44`	`supaman`	`ahh, now I remember, my computer did freeze yesterday (at least the mouse and keyboard did) ... could be related, dont remember if I have played any sound since then`
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`13:27.04`	`elirips`	`hello. i am using cisco-vpn-client to connect to the network of my university. since yesterday my computer freezes each time i start the vpn-client, only thing that helps is pressing the reset-button, i even can't log in via ssh anymore (connection refused). any ideas what's wrong?`
`13:27.05`	`MasterChief`	`How, can I install apts at apt-get.org?`
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`13:27.32`	`asg`	`MasterChief: there should be instructions on the website.`
`13:27.53`	`elirips`	`MasterChief: search for the package you need on apt-get.org and the source-line to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update, apt-get install package`
`13:27.54`	`lewis`	`is it bad to run e2fsck on a mounted disk? are there any ways I can check a ext3 file system remotely?`
`13:28.00`	`supaman`	`elirips: anything interesting that is in the /var/log/ ?`
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`13:28.28`	`liable`	`supaman: maybe bad hardware. its shit itself?`
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`13:28.46`	`elirips`	`supaman: i checked /var/log/syslog, didn't find anything "special" in there.`
`13:28.47`	`supaman`	`liable: could be ...`
`13:28.54`	`asg`	`lewis: it shouldn't be run on a mounted disk. Try mounting it ro first.`
`13:28.59`	`supaman`	`elirips: how about kern.log ?`
`13:29.00`	`paulswm`	`lewis: you have to unmount first, and ext3 shouldn't need fscking very often, but same applies`
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`13:29.38`	`elirips`	`supaman: ah, did not check that (yet). going to let it crash now and check it then.`
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`13:30.06`	`supaman`	`elirips: you can check older logs`
`13:30.18`	`supaman`	`elirips: when was the last crash?`
`13:30.19`	`liable`	`elirips: it shold be there from previous ooopses`
`13:30.25`	`lewis`	`is there any way I check / partition remotely? like scan for errors or bad blocks...`
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`13:31.14`	`supaman`	`liable: but if it is bad hardware shouldnt the module refuse to load?`
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`13:32.14`	`liable`	`supaman: not neccessaly, dunno, if you havent done anything, as you say, then what else could it be?`
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`13:32.33`	`supaman`	`liable: thats whats bugging me allso :-)`
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`13:33.00`	`liable`	`supaman: shit dies, thats life. :(`
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`13:33.16`	`supaman`	`liable: sure is`
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`13:33.52`	`tico`	`hello i had installed the rute manual but i'm wondering if there's other manual for beginners and intermediate level?`
`13:34.08`	`liable`	`for what?`
`13:34.15`	`liable`	`linux?`
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`13:34.26`	`tico`	`yap`
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`13:34.55`	`liable`	`tico: install it, use it, learn. :)`
`13:34.57`	`tico`	`yup*`
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`13:35.19`	`supaman`	`tico: allso google for linux beginner ...`
`13:35.21`	`liable`	`tico: lots of docs out there.`
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`13:35.48`	`paulswm`	`There's some stuff in the Debian Reference Manual also`
`13:36.19`	`elirips`	`supaman: i'm back, i let the system crash again, but i can't find anything interesting in kern.log, nor in syslog. the last thing i see before the crash is just the vpn-client saying "initializing vpn connection", then everytihng freezes (mouse, keyboard, the machine still responds to pings, but ssh gets a permission denied). ciscp vpn client is version 4.6.00. any ideas what i can do to get rid of the crashs?`
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`13:36.42`	`liable`	`tico: its all relative to what you need to know, start and go from there to whatever you need.`
`13:36.59`	`Babbage`	`In general how should tools handle character encoding issues within filenames? There's no way of associating a charset with a filename, and you can't assume that filenames are encoded in the same coding system as is selected by $LC_CTYPE.`
`13:37.07`	`tico`	`liable ok`
`13:37.36`	`otje`	`will there be some sort of countdown for sarge going stable, e.g. with some nice fancy clock?`
`13:37.37`	`supaman`	`elirips: ugh ... now I am out of ideas :-(`
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`13:37.49`	`liable`	`tico: narrow it down what you need to know, and go from there.`
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`13:37.58`	`X21`	`so what vpn software u guys reccomend i was thinking of openvpn or swan`
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`13:38.17`	`reagent`	`X21: openvpn is nice`
`13:38.22`	`elirips`	`and has someone an idea how to get rid of these errors, i got tons of them in syslog and kern.log: parport0: FIFO is stuck; parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio; DMA write timed out. always this three lines, every minute there is an entry of them.`
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`13:38.34`	`supaman`	`elirips: or try another client`
`13:38.41`	`X21`	`is it hard to configure?`
`13:38.45`	`paulswm`	`I have heard only negative opinions about swan, but that is of course just hearsay.`
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`13:38.51`	`reagent`	`X21: the docs are good`
`13:39.10`	`droid][`	`can i get a little bit of help with starting programs on boot?`
`13:39.12`	`elirips`	`supaman: it worked perfectly until yesterday.. that's strange. i didn't change anything on my system, except maybe an apt-get upgrade.`
`13:39.14`	`X21`	`more reading lol`
`13:39.28`	`reagent`	`tico: just play around with your system and read articles about debian tips &tricks`
`13:39.40`	`reagent`	`X21: well, there are even example config files...`
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`13:40.10`	`X21`	`i miss windows next next finish idea of configuring things`
`13:40.16`	`supaman`	`elirips: and the client hasnt worked since the upgrade, what version are you using? unstable?`
`13:40.30`	`paulswm`	`droid][: Debian Reference Manual, and man update-rc.d`
`13:40.42`	`dh2`	`streuner: are you around`
`13:40.52`	`reagent`	`X21: well, I don't comment on that :)`
`13:41.07`	`streuner`	`dh2: yes?`
`13:41.10`	`elirips`	`supaman: i am using sarge. i "guess" an upgrade is the reason for the failure.. that is the only thing i can think about that might have changed something..`
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`13:41.34`	`dh2`	`streuner: i think you were the one helping me with the nfs problem yesterday`
`13:41.35`	`supaman`	`elirips: and did you upgrade the vpn client allso?`
`13:41.36`	`paulswm`	`X21: But do you also miss the viruses and spyware? :)`
`13:41.42`	`X21`	`reagent: yeah i was only joking anyway`
`13:41.49`	`supaman`	`elirips: it might work to reinstall it`
`13:41.53`	`streuner`	`dh2: no luck?`
`13:41.55`	`elirips`	`supaman: no, the vpn client is still the same version.`
`13:42.03`	`reagent`	`X21: :)`
`13:42.17`	`droid][`	`paulswm - im trying to run the same program twice as diferant users on boot, once X is up and running`
`13:42.44`	`elirips`	`supaman: i'm going to try it with a reinstall of the client. and also try a newer kernel, 2.6.10 is a little bit old anyway ;).`
`13:42.52`	`supaman`	`elirips: else there might be a bug in some library it uses that causes X to freeze`
`13:42.52`	`X21`	`yeah i do miss the spyware intergrated into the windows explorer`
`13:43.00`	`supaman`	`elirips: ok`
`13:43.01`	`X21`	`not`
`13:43.06`	`elirips`	`supaman: well, but then ssh should still work (?)`
`13:43.19`	`jansen`	`bob2 need the fglrx?`
`13:43.29`	`supaman`	`elirips: ahh, yes ... so it is a bigger problem`
`13:43.41`	`dh2`	`streuner: yes, i finally found that my exports file was too complicated. I reduced it to (rw,no_root_squash) and it started working just fine. do you know why it would work fine for a while with a complicated config then just stop?`
`13:43.50`	`paulswm`	`droid][: Then you need to number the start script(s) accordingly.`
`13:43.52`	`supaman`	`elirips: but it responds to pings?`
`13:43.57`	`X21`	`yeah you get used to having no gui installed after awhile`
`13:44.03`	`elirips`	`supaman: yes, that's the strange thing about it :P`
`13:44.17`	`bob2`	`jansen: you're not using Debian, please go away`
`13:44.21`	`liable`	`!seen guerin`
`13:44.23`	`dpkg`	`guerin is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 102720 messages. Is idling for 2d 5h 58m 12s`
`13:44.59`	`streuner`	`dh2: official kernel?`
`13:44.59`	`spdf`	`102,000?! Thats insane.`
`13:45.13`	`tarzeau`	`!debstats`
`13:45.13`	`dpkg`	`debstats is probably managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/`
`13:45.14`	`jansen`	`bob2 ok`
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`13:45.15`	`tarzeau`	`spdf: check these`
`13:45.17`	`idnar`	`!seen idnar`
`13:45.18`	`dpkg`	`idnar is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 1865 messages. Is idling for 0s`
`13:45.21`	`droid][`	`paulswm - yes i understand this, i dropped the script files into /etc/init.d and had them starting on boot, but i need them to start after 'X windows' and not before.`
`13:45.23`	`jethro`	`spdf: not really`
`13:45.34`	`jansen`	`bob2 but what are u using double?`
`13:45.48`	`dh2`	`streuner: if you mean a vanilla kernel then yes. I grabbed 2.4.31 from kernel.org`
`13:45.53`	`bob2`	`jansen: I use both. please leave here.`
`13:45.56`	`tarzeau`	`!seen tarzeau`
`13:45.56`	`dpkg`	`tarzeau is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 29408 messages. Is idling for 0s`
`13:45.56`	`elirips`	`supaman: well, thanks for your help anyway. i'll try it with a new kernel and reinstall of the vpn-client, if that doesn't work i'll go and complain at university, they recommend debian-sarge :), so they should be able to make the vpn-client work with what they recommend ;)`
`13:46.05`	`resiak`	`droid][: Could you set up gdm/kdm/xdm to run them?`
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`13:46.26`	`supaman`	`elirips: definetly :-)`
`13:46.28`	`paulswm`	`droid][: I don't understand, you would surely start them after your display manager is started on boot, yes?`
`13:46.35`	`streuner`	`dh2: it changed something with root_squash, but i cannot remember, nfs-kernel-server or such.`
`13:46.44`	`liable`	`tarzeau: is currently on debian pushing bub-n-bros :)`
`13:46.54`	`droid][`	`would love to, but dont know how - its taken me 4hrs to get to this stage...`
`13:46.58`	`orjan`	`When updateing from woody I see someting weird, I can't use aptitude update but had to use apt-get update?`
`13:47.08`	`streuner`	`dh2: check out changelog as well`
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`13:47.16`	`tarzeau`	`liable: you're just sad that you can't play with us`
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`13:47.19`	`droid][`	`paulswm - yes, that is what i am trying to do, currently they start before the windows manager, not after`
`13:47.30`	`liable`	`tarzeau: true :(`
`13:47.33`	`silverton`	`okay, say I'm upgrading to a bigger hard drive, how would I copy my partion over?`
`13:47.42`	`liable`	`dd`
`13:47.43`	`X21`	`is samba sharing over openvpn reccommed?`
`13:47.47`	`jansen`	`bob2 :-(`
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`13:47.53`	`paulswm`	`droid][: But you said that you understood how to number them, so you just need to number them to start after your display manager is started.`
`13:48.06`	`spdf`	`Heh. Badger Wang.`
`13:48.14`	`dh2`	`streuner: ok, and thanks for your input yesterday, it helped me narrow down the possibilities`
`13:48.15`	`poli`	`silverton: dd or tar. Depends on the number of files you keep (if you have more than som hundred thousend or so, DON'T try tar)`
`13:48.32`	`paulswm`	`droid][: I'm not trying to argue, merely to understand what your problem is.`
`13:48.39`	`silverton`	`poli, basically, I don't want to have to do a netinst with floppies again ;)`
`13:48.40`	`tarzeau`	`liable: why can't you play?`
`13:48.48`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: why are you so good at it, btw?`
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`13:48.56`	`poli`	`silverton: tar --preserve as root could do, IF it is a desktop.`
`13:48.58`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: good at what?`
`13:48.59`	`droid][`	`paulswm - i dont know how to number them, if i can get them to start after, that would be perfect`
`13:49.06`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: #bub-n-bros`
`13:49.06`	`poli`	`silverton: if we are talking about a qmail mail server, go with dd`
`13:49.07`	`droid][`	`well, mostly`
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`13:49.17`	`silverton`	`poli, it's a 486 that I'm messing around with`
`13:49.17`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: I stopped focusing on crap items :)`
`13:49.26`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: and I m in a lucky day too :)`
`13:49.35`	`paulswm`	`droid][: man unpdate-rc.d`
`13:49.40`	`poli`	`silverton: dd does bit-by-bit copying, so, it doesn't care about the number of files and stuff. But you need to dd to a exact same size partition.`
`13:49.43`	`paulswm`	`droid][: man update-rc.d I mean`
`13:49.49`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: i bet you practiced all night long`
`13:49.59`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: I practice, but other things :)`
`13:50.00`	`poli`	`silverton: with tar, you can chose new size partitions but it will take forever if you have lots and lots of files.`
`13:50.04`	`silverton`	`poli, yeah, I'm going from a 240MB drive, to a 1.2GB drive`
`13:50.14`	`silverton`	`poli, I think ~7K`
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`13:50.19`	`poli`	`silverton: oh. go with whatever.`
`13:50.21`	`droid][`	`paulswm - - ill give that another shot....`
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`13:50.29`	`liable`	`tarzeau: cause when I started downloading, it said an hour, and, prolly could be playing now, but, thought i'd be in bed by then, and will be in 5 mins.`
`13:50.33`	`paulswm`	`droid][: It explains the numbering`
`13:50.38`	`silverton`	`poli, what do I do about the MBR?`
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`13:51.11`	`poli`	`silverton: run lilo after you are finished`
`13:51.14`	`poli`	`silverton: or grub`
`13:51.28`	`tarzeau`	`liable: ahhhh dial up downloading...`
`13:51.33`	`liable`	`tarzeau: will get it for my sarge box, and kick your ass. :)`
`13:51.35`	`poli`	`silverton: Go with tar, you can accomodate the .tar.gz files in the new drive.`
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`13:51.41`	`poli`	`silverton: among with all the data`
`13:51.45`	`tarzeau`	`liable: we'll see`
`13:51.53`	`otje`	`is there a program which monitors which packages you really are using, and makes a list of low-frequency used ones?`
`13:51.54`	`jethro`	`liable: don't kick it too hard, or tarzeau will crash the server and pretend it's a network issue ;)`
`13:51.55`	`liable`	`tarzeau: hehe, yes. :)`
`13:52.00`	`liable`	`haha`
`13:52.03`	`silverton`	`now, to figure out how to make a .tar.gz I've only extracted them ;P`
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`13:52.16`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: bah, ping gnu.ethz.ch, it's really some problem`
`13:52.18`	`poli`	`silverton: as root, --preserve`
`13:52.19`	`supaman`	`fleh, gonna check if my windows runs the sound ok ..`
`13:52.22`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: I am kidding, you know it :)`
`13:52.23`	`spdf`	`silverton, make a tar, and then gzip it.. easy-pz..`
`13:52.23`	`paulswm`	`liable: You are being sucked into the black whole which is tarzeau's gaming world. Once you drop past the event horizon, there is no escape.`
`13:52.27`	`asg`	`otje: no, but one would be easy to write by trolling your .history file and building statistics`
`13:52.27`	`poli`	`silverton: to keep permissions right`
`13:52.31`	`paulswm`	`s/whole/hole/`
`13:52.44`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: hahaha`
`13:52.56`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: :D`
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`13:53.09`	`asg`	`paulswm: I'll be fine unless he sets up a DikuMUD.`
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`13:53.28`	`paulswm`	`asg: Or serves cold beer :)`
`13:53.31`	`jajajan`	`hi`
`13:53.34`	`jethro`	`beer!`
`13:53.36`	`jethro`	`!beer me`
`13:53.40`	`asg`	`paulswm: hmmmm, beer.`
`13:53.40`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: hey we have plenty cold beer at our lugs!`
`13:53.44`	`tarzeau`	`ALL FREE`
`13:53.48`	`jethro`	`hi asg by the way`
`13:53.49`	`tarzeau`	`http://www.lug-ag.ch`
`13:53.53`	`paulswm`	`free beer!`
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`13:54.13`	`liable`	`man, tarzeau, you should be a car salesman :)`
`13:54.15`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: Not free if one has to traverse the Atlantic to get to it :(`
`13:54.37`	`paulswm`	`liable: how do you know he isn't? :P`
`13:54.39`	`K_Dallas`	`should i have to umount my CDRW each time i want to use cdrecord ?`
`13:54.44`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: i'm not`
`13:54.51`	`paulswm`	`I know, j/k`
`13:54.51`	`dvs`	`K_Dallas: yes`
`13:54.55`	`tarzeau`	`heh`
`13:54.57`	`K_Dallas`	`dvs thanks`
`13:55.02`	`dvs`	`np`
`13:55.03`	`liable`	`real estate`
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`13:55.23`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau could sell snowballs in hell.`
`13:55.40`	`liable`	`tarzeau: jk, will see ya there in a few days. :)`
`13:55.41`	`silverton`	`okay, so I typed 'tar -cf --preserve /'`
`13:55.45`	`silverton`	`is that right?`
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`13:56.12`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: :) thanks for the flowers`
`13:56.22`	`asg`	`silverton: no, 'f' takes a filename`
`13:56.30`	`liable`	`brb`
`13:56.42`	`silverton`	`so, just -c ?`
`13:56.48`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: i mean i'm selling square and gray applications that look like '80s`
`13:56.54`	`asg`	`silverton: no, you need to go read a tutorial on tar`
`13:56.59`	`asg`	`silverton: info tar, /msg dpkg tar`
`13:57.01`	`Dirk_Diggler`	`hi, how can trotthle my laptop cpu in Sarge?`
`13:57.07`	`tarzeau`	`Dirk_Diggler: i386?`
`13:57.08`	`paulswm`	`!collect some flowers for tarzeau`
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`13:57.15`	`Dirk_Diggler`	`yes`
`13:57.22`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: add some mushroosm ;)`
`13:57.28`	`paulswm`	`Heh`
`13:57.35`	`paulswm`	`!ganjasmite tarzeau`
`13:57.44`	`tarzeau`	`!wang paulswm`
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`13:57.51`	`tarzeau`	`!wangsmite paulswm`
`13:58.05`	`tarzeau`	`sussudio: no WANG?`
`13:58.07`	`paulswm`	`Heh`
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`13:58.18`	`stp`	`One friend explain me that when I do a search using the url bar it is posible to go a google page with the result, not go to the url of the first entry of google. He tels me that is modifing some entry in about:config but I cant find it.`
`13:58.37`	`paulswm`	`!wangstrike tarzeau`
`13:58.37`	`dpkg`	`A Wang 486 Tower descends from the great colo in the sky, knocking tarzeau to the ground and leaving a large smoldering crater.`
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`13:58.42`	`SugiyamaKen`	`how can I change color of letters?`
`13:58.49`	`shingouz`	`"morning", people. this is not really debian specific but ICQ is giving me some hard times. Licq (or Gaim) on Sid and in the week i have been using the dratted, i have had two UIN clashes after which i have been unable to logon without going to the icq website to get a new password. is this normal with a linux client or is there some way to keep the password a bit longer than about three days?`
`13:58.57`	`FieldySnuts`	`@aussiesmite tarzeau`
`13:58.57`	`ravenbird`	`tarzeau: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog`
`13:59.07`	`SugiyamaKen`	`how can I change color of letters? please tell me`
`13:59.07`	`paulswm`	`Yay, Fieldy!`
`13:59.07`	`tarzeau`	`SugiyamaKen: like this blue dragon -> D`
`13:59.09`	`shingouz`	`SugiyamaKen: change colors of the letters? in what app?`
`13:59.14`	`LSorense`	`SugiyamaKen: letters in what?`
`13:59.16`	`CosmoDad`	hi I've set up a simple cron job through crontab -e which executes "echo `date` > ~/foobar" every minute but cron only creates the file and writes nothing into it! What's wrong?
`13:59.17`	`tarzeau`	`i should practice better color codes`
`13:59.27`	`CosmoDad`	`similarly, a "halt" job doesn't work either :(`
`13:59.37`	`SugiyamaKen`	`what is the blue program?`
`13:59.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`!vague`
`13:59.54`	`dpkg`	`Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms`
`13:59.55`	`tarzeau`	`SugiyamaKen: you want a program with blue dragons?`
`13:59.57`	`shingouz`	`SugiyamaKen: what application`
`14:00.09`	`tarzeau`	`shingouz: he wants us to suggest him an application i think`
`14:00.10`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: You are BAD, man :)`
`14:00.15`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: heh ;)`
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`14:00.34`	`paulswm`	`Doing a drive-by bub-n-bros`
`14:00.34`	`Ti_Uhl`	`hello`
`14:00.43`	`SugiyamaKen`	`oh I am not familiar to program`
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`14:01.15`	`resiak`	`SugiyamaKen: The colour of letters in what?`
`14:01.21`	`X21`	`so does anybody know about squid delay pools?`
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`14:01.45`	`tarzeau`	`SugiyamaKen: in textedit.app you can have colored letters`
`14:01.51`	`muppet_flash`	`how do I remove a series of files that have a common name system wide ..?`
`14:02.00`	`tarzeau`	`muppet_flash: using find`
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`14:02.14`	`Samanta-PSL-BA`	`how to edit gnome-menu ?`
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`14:02.31`	`resiak`	`SugiyamaKen: The colour of letters in what?`
`14:02.38`	`liable`	`ffs aussiesmite is good :)`
`14:02.39`	`muppet_flash`	`tarzeau: that will find them .. how do I remove them ..?`
`14:02.49`	`rengel`	`whu use http://www.debian-desktop.org ?`
`14:03.01`	`rengel`	`*who`
`14:03.02`	`tarzeau`	`muppet_flash: -exec rm {} \;`
`14:03.02`	`LSorense`	`muppet_flash: find has an --exec option. --exec rm {} \; will do`
`14:03.06`	`resiak`	`muppet_flash: man find, but more to the point find / -name foo -print0 \| xargs -0 rm`
`14:03.10`	`tarzeau`	`!poll rengel`
`14:03.13`	`LSorense`	`muppet_flash: oops, to many -'s`
`14:03.19`	`resiak`	`!tell rengel -about polls`
`14:03.33`	`tarzeau`	`Samanta-PSL-BA: see /usr/lib/menu ?`
`14:03.44`	`tarzeau`	`Samanta-PSL-BA: read manual of the package "menu"`
`14:03.48`	`liable`	`nite folks`
`14:04.08`	`shingouz`	`nite liable`
`14:04.11`	`spdf`	`Later`
`14:04.26`	`takatumi`	`!greetings`
`14:04.26`	`dpkg`	`hello, takatumi`
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`14:05.01`	`jethro`	`hello takatumi`
`14:05.02`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi!`
`14:05.06`	`muppet_flash`	`thanks guys I am going to read that again and see if it makes sense ..:p thanks for the help .. gonna see if that works ..:)`
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`14:05.17`	`supaman`	`ahh, yes, windows doesnt detect my sound card either, must be broken`
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`14:05.36`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: how many bubbles today? :)`
`14:05.45`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: too much. we had dragon overflow`
`14:06.01`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: my server crashed, need to check it tomorrow`
`14:06.05`	`breccio`	`ooooooooo�`
`14:06.05`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: did we reach the max number of player?`
`14:06.05`	`takatumi`	`!ganjasmite jethro`
`14:06.17`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: not sure, no. 10 is the maximum we were 8`
`14:06.26`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: ok`
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`14:06.53`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: damn, I was infact thinking about you hosting all this shit on your machine. maybe I jinxed it. :D`
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`14:07.08`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: at home i have way not the bandwith`
`14:07.12`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: but it's a machine at werk ;)`
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`14:07.28`	`takatumi`	`ah, even better.`
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`14:08.03`	`chimun`	`im trying to open a terminal - and it just doesn't open. Eterm appears, but before the prompt comes up, it just dies. any other terminal (gnome-terminal, hanterm, xterm) just doesn't open at all.`
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`14:08.17`	`chimun`	`the only way i can get to a console is through the virtual console :(`
`14:08.39`	`chimun`	`logs reveal nothing - i've tried X log, syslog, messages - no luck`
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`14:09.06`	`chimun`	`my guess is that its something to do with /dev permissions - since this only happened after i installed and started udevd. but even if i kill udevd, its still happening.`
`14:09.23`	`jethro`	`chimun: from a console, try export DISPLAY=:0.0, then run xterm. look for error messages there`
`14:09.39`	`asg`	`!udev`
`14:09.40`	`dpkg`	`i guess udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev`
`14:09.40`	`takatumi`	`jethro: but he got no console. :P`
`14:10.19`	`jethro`	`takatumi: chimun \| the only way i can get to a console is through the virtual console :( << what was this supposed to mean then? :)`
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`14:10.52`	`chimun`	`DISPLAY is already set. i've done: echo $DISPLAY and i get :0.0`
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`14:11.06`	`jethro`	`chimun: then run xterm from this console, look for error messages`
`14:11.24`	`chimun`	`ok.. let me try`
`14:11.26`	`takatumi`	`chimun: now which console is that?`
`14:12.00`	`chimun`	`the virtual console: ctrl-alt-f2`
`14:12.28`	`jethro`	`chimun: and you have DISPLAY set there? :)`
`14:12.31`	`takatumi`	`but running xterm from there won't start it.`
`14:12.33`	`Dirk_Diggler`	`can someone explain me how to trotthle my laptop cpu in Sarge please?`
`14:12.35`	`valdyn`	`chimun: stopping udev isnt enough, you'd have to unmount /dev`
`14:12.44`	`jethro`	`takatumi: if you set DISPLAY appropriately, it will`
`14:13.05`	`takatumi`	`jethro: it'll launch X?`
`14:13.20`	`takatumi`	`ah, ok. will try.`
`14:13.32`	`chimun`	`"xterm: Error 32, errno 2 : no such file or directory\n Reason: get_pty : not enough ptys"`
`14:13.37`	`asg`	`Dirk_Diggler: install relevant kernel modules, install powernowd, run powernowd`
`14:13.38`	`chimun`	`the \n is a newline obviously :)`
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`14:13.47`	`the__bat`	`Dirk_Diggler: look at the files in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq`
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`14:13.50`	`jethro`	`takatumi: X is running. as per what I understood, he can't open a term in X. I m trying to gather error messages :)`
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`14:13.58`	`valdyn`	`chimun: b/c your /dev/pts/ does not exist / has no contents`
`14:14.13`	`valdyn`	`chimun: you could try to mount it`
`14:14.14`	`chimun`	`valdyn, i c. how can i populate it?`
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`14:14.21`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`hi`
`14:14.30`	`Rawplayer`	`hi`
`14:14.33`	`tarzeau`	`please. don't. kill. us.`
`14:14.41`	`Rawplayer`	`k`
`14:14.44`	`valdyn`	`chimun: 'mount /dev/pts'`
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`14:15.11`	`chimun`	`valdyn: not in fstab.`
`14:15.13`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`I setup a static ip on my debian sarge and after some time the IP suddenly change and the pc got another ip from dhcp any idea why ?`
`14:15.21`	`valdyn`	`chimun: sure it doesnt need to be there`
`14:15.25`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: man 5 interfaces`
`14:15.27`	`tarzeau`	`PoWeRKiLL: you set it up in /etc/network/interfaces?`
`14:15.27`	`chimun`	`should i be adding an entry? i thought udev would take care of it`
`14:15.31`	`chimun`	`valdyn, that's the error message`
`14:15.50`	`chimun`	`valdyn, "can't find /dev/pts in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"`
`14:15.51`	`asg`	`PoWeRKiLL: make sure you aren't running a dhcp client (ps aux \| grep dhc)`
`14:16.08`	`valdyn`	`chimun: '/etc/init.d/mountvirtfs'`
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`14:16.43`	`valdyn`	`chimun: that script should mount it where necessarily ( and already have done that ), cant tell whats wrong with your system ( yet )`
`14:16.44`	`chimun`	`ok, its mounted now that i ran that. but it still has nothing in it`
`14:17.21`	`chimun`	`so the error is the same when i run xterm`
`14:17.29`	`Gwynn`	`where do I tell apache2 to open another page then the default?`
`14:17.39`	`tarzeau`	`Gwynn: RTFM`
`14:17.48`	`jethro`	`Gwynn: you either change the default, or read the fine manual for apache2`
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`14:18.00`	`chimun`	`Gwynn, its in /etc/httpd.conf - read it.`
`14:18.04`	`jethro`	`chimun: no it's not`
`14:18.09`	`chimun`	`jethro, its not?`
`14:18.16`	`jethro`	`Gwynn: no. it's not.`
`14:18.26`	`valdyn`	`chimun: you are using a debian kernel`
`14:18.26`	`valdyn`	`chimun: you are using a debian kernel?`
`14:18.27`	`chimun`	`jethro, can't you tell it there to open whatever file you like by default?`
`14:18.33`	`chimun`	`valdyn, custom`
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`14:18.44`	`valdyn`	`chimun: thats likely the source of your problems then`
`14:18.48`	`chimun`	`valdyn, i built it with kernel-package,but its my own. in the past it always worked`
`14:18.50`	`jethro`	`chimun: debian has no /etc/httpd.conf. debian tries to avoid the mess in /etc`
`14:18.51`	`valdyn`	`chimun: devpts needs kernel support`
`14:18.54`	`chimun`	`i've had it for about 2 months - and it worked fine`
`14:19.02`	`chimun`	`valdyn, it is in there`
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`14:19.22`	`chimun`	`jethro, i meant /etc/apache/httpd.conf - my bad :)`
`14:19.27`	`jethro`	`chimun: apache2`
`14:19.32`	`jethro`	`!tell silverton -about away`
`14:19.33`	`asg`	`!tell silverton about away`
`14:19.36`	`jethro`	`:p`
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`14:19.46`	`valdyn`	`chimun: try a debian kernel, debugging your kernel config goes beyond my and this channels scope..`
`14:19.51`	`silverton`	`sorry, it's a script that got loaded... :-/ can't unload it either`
`14:20.18`	`chimun`	`valdyn, its not the problem though - it can't be. it has always worked just fine. it was the installing of udev that damaged this :(`
`14:20.22`	`takatumi`	`if a config worked for 2 months, I doubt it could be that.`
`14:20.25`	`jethro`	`silverton: /part #debian until you can fix it then`
`14:20.31`	`maja`	`if info center picks up a bluetooth dongle is my kernal compatiable with bluetooth ?`
`14:20.49`	`valdyn`	`chimun: sure, udev and devpts depend on specific kernel features`
`14:20.54`	`silverton`	`jethro, I'll try to remember when I wake`
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`14:21.13`	`jethro`	`silverton: remember what?`
`14:21.21`	`chimun`	`if i remove udev, and reboot, its still happening. is there something else i have to do when removing udev?`
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`14:21.37`	`silverton`	`to /part before I return`
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`14:21.57`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`tarzeau yes I set it on /etc/network/interfaces`
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`14:22.17`	`jethro`	`silverton: I d rather have you /part and try to remember fixing this behavior before /join'ing`
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`14:22.31`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`jethro how to remove dhcp-client I remove the package with apt-get remove dhcp-client`
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`14:22.40`	`asg`	`silverton: or use an irc client that you can configure not to be annoying.`
`14:22.42`	`paulswm`	`silverton: He means /part now`
`14:22.44`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: you want #debian-fr, really`
`14:22.57`	`jim`	`PoWeRKiLL: so you did it`
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`14:23.22`	`valdyn`	`chimun: restore your old system state, obviously its not just udev that you installed`
`14:23.25`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`I remove the package but how to be sure that the card will not go back to dhcp mode ?`
`14:23.39`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: man 5 interfaces (second time)`
`14:23.45`	`jim`	`PoWeRKiLL: man 5 interfaces`
`14:23.51`	`rengel`	`I'm getting in apt-get upgrade, an eror: Err http://www.debian-desktop.org sarge/main xvfb 6.8.2-mea1`
`14:23.54`	`valdyn`	`chimun: s/installed/installed or removed/`
`14:23.58`	`rengel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:23.58`	`rengel`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:24.06`	`chimun`	`ok. thanks for your help :)`
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`14:24.29`	`jim`	`rengel: maybe temporarily bad mirror`
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`14:24.59`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`I already read it I set the IP in the interface file but I don't know why after some time the pc get back an ip from dhcp`
`14:25.07`	`Gwynn`	`jethro: I dont know where to change the default, and I cant find it in the fine manual either, maybe because Im new, blind, and/or stupid, butr in what .conf file do I find the default?`
`14:25.30`	`jim`	`PoWeRKiLL: man ifup ; man ifdown`
`14:25.56`	`rengel`	`jim: alternative mirror exsits ?`
`14:26.03`	`jim`	`thousands`
`14:26.10`	`jim`	`or at least hundreds`
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`14:26.16`	`jethro`	`Gwynn: grep -ri documentroot /etc/apache2/* . either you set it to another path. or you look at /var/www and edit the default files shipped with apache. for more questions on apache, feel free to /j #apache`
`14:26.51`	`jim`	`rengel: go find the debian mirror list, somewhere off debian.org`
`14:26.55`	`Gwynn`	`jethro: thanks`
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`14:27.16`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: /etc/init.d/networking restart`
`14:27.45`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`jethro If i restart the PC set back the good IP but after some time suddenly the IP change back to a DHCP one`
`14:28.04`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: what does grep dhcp /etc/network/interfaces say ?`
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`14:28.24`	`jim`	`quack! quack quack!`
`14:28.35`	`jim`	`what else would it say?`
`14:28.51`	`jethro`	`take a wild guess.`
`14:28.55`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`jethro nothing`
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`14:29.04`	`rengel`	`jim: there me togo what me need`
`14:29.05`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: it's not making sense`
`14:29.16`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`I know I'm caming crazy`
`14:29.34`	`jim`	`rengel: find the list of debian mirrors`
`14:29.52`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: do you have a dhclient/pump/dhcp-client process running ?`
`14:29.54`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`I got DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67 in my log`
`14:29.56`	`jim`	`I'm assuming you want to install debian or some debian packages`
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`14:30.19`	`Bac9`	`PoWeRKiLL: what method are you using for ip assignment in /etc/network/interfaces? also do you have any dhcp clients running, if so why?`
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`14:30.30`	`jim`	`PoWeRKiLL: you can watch that log using tail -f thatLogFile`
`14:30.42`	`valdyn`	`PoWeRKiLL: dpkg -l laptop-net`
`14:30.43`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`jethro yes you find it I have this ps aux \|grep dhc`
`14:30.45`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: would you mind copying your /etc/network/interfaces file on some pastebin?`
`14:30.46`	`paulswm`	`!tell rengel about mirrors`
`14:30.47`	`kelan`	`what's the differenc between rxvt-unicode and rxvt-unicode-lite? the package description doesn't say what exactly is left out of the "lite" version`
`14:30.49`	`jim`	`what is the elapsed time between your server time and the log time`
`14:30.49`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`dhclient -e -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0`
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`14:30.59`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: killall dhclient as root`
`14:31.10`	`jim`	`kelan: harder to lift`
`14:31.32`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: by the way, asg told you to look at this earlier.`
`14:31.36`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`OK perfect thanks I was sure it was something like that I remove the dhcp-client package but forgot to check ps aux :)`
`14:31.39`	`Bac9`	`PoWeRKiLL: and why are you running a dhcp client f you want static ip assignment?`
`14:31.39`	`valdyn`	`PoWeRKiLL: and the second possible evil package "dpkg -l ifplugd"`
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`14:31.44`	`paulswm`	`jim: and more filling :)`
`14:31.45`	`rengel`	`paulswm: is not that`
`14:31.53`	`jim`	`PoWeRKiLL: see...`
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`14:32.16`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`Bac9 during the install debian use DHCP then once in the system I edit the interface file to change ip to static`
`14:32.23`	`jethro`	`Bac9: I think d-i defaults to trying dhcp, and if it works, you've got a interfaces file with dhcp set.`
`14:32.30`	`jim`	`you wanted to stop your networking before altering it (before removing dhclient, before altering your interfaces file)`
`14:32.33`	`jim`	`however`
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`14:32.42`	`BibTeX`	`is there a way to tell apt or dpkg to install the packages in specific partition?`
`14:32.48`	`jim`	`you got it done once you understood what was going on`
`14:32.51`	`Bac9`	`jethro: true, but it shouldn't keep starting up the dhcp client`
`14:33.02`	`jethro`	`Bac9: don't blame d-i. blame PoWeRKiLL`
`14:33.07`	`jim`	`BibTeX: other than a chroot, no`
`14:33.07`	`Bac9`	`PoWeRKiLL: then how does your dhcp client start up after every boot?`
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`14:33.21`	`valdyn`	`BibTeX: packages are not even permitted to "know" about partitions`
`14:33.25`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`Bac9 I didn't reboot since my first install`
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`14:33.34`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: then you lied`
`14:33.38`	`Bac9`	`jethro: I blame what ever script is put into /etc/rc* by what ever dhcp client he is using`
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`14:33.48`	`sanxiyn`	`One of the most stupid Debian thread ever: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/06/msg00031.html`
`14:33.48`	`smacnay`	`Is nvram something to be compiled in a kernel by default? Is it necessary? I see a message on the modprobe of my scsi card stating that nvram was not found. Do I need it?`
`14:33.51`	`jethro`	`Bac9: really, blame PoWeRKiLL, he deserves it.`
`14:33.58`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`Why ?`
`14:34.03`	`Bac9`	`PoWeRKiLL: I thought you said the ip was regained after even rebooting? and now you say you never tried?`
`14:34.11`	`Bac9`	`jethro: sounds like you're right`
`14:34.13`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: because you said you rebooted, and the IP would change after a reboot`
`14:34.16`	`jim`	`smacnay: I guess it's an interface to your cmos ram`
`14:34.19`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`I never see this question sorry`
`14:34.20`	`jethro`	`!lart PoWeRKiLL`
`14:34.22`	`BibTeX`	`jim and valdyn : Ah thus can;t we have 2 ROOT partitions to install packages on ...??? since my main partition is FULL !!!`
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`14:34.38`	`jim`	`BibTeX: lvm is nice`
`14:34.38`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`I alsodidn't see asg answer about dhclient running`
`14:34.51`	`jethro`	`PoWeRKiLL: either you lie, or you need a french support channel.`
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`14:34.56`	`BibTeX`	`jim: lvm ?`
`14:34.57`	`smacnay`	`jim: thanks`
`14:35.06`	`rengel`	`jim: X.org and it's additional programs and libraries`
`14:35.12`	`jethro`	`16:15:51 asg \| PoWeRKiLL: make sure you aren't running a dhcp client (ps aux \| grep dhc)`
`14:35.28`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`I think I wasn't on the channel all the time so may be I didn't see all answer`
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`14:35.58`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`So thanks you asg :)`
`14:36.02`	`jim`	`BibTeX: lvm would allow you to do the kind of thing you're having problems with... but, you would have to do major stuff to make that work now`
`14:36.08`	`jim`	`one thing you could consider...`
`14:36.10`	`PoWeRKiLL`	`And jethro and jim also :)`
`14:36.15`	`jim`	`is removing packages`
`14:36.16`	`Bac9`	`BibTeX: so move something like /usr or /var/ or /home to another partition`
`14:37.57`	`BibTeX`	`jim Bac9 : what the lvm protocol ? how does it work?`
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`14:39.20`	`jim`	`rengel: x.org will not be officially packaged until sometime after sarge release`
`14:39.44`	`jim`	`having said that, there might be backports`
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`14:40.09`	`K_Dallas`	`jim: would x.org replace xfree86 as the default or would be an option?`
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`14:41.06`	`gass`	`snadge:`
`14:41.11`	`_oc`	`where can i get a 3.0r6 iso image that will run on a IBM HS20 Blade with Xeon EM64T`
`14:41.16`	`jim`	`K_Dallas: as far as I know that's up to branden... but given that xfree has a more restrictive license, I would guess he would decide to have x.org be default, once his packaging of it is finalized`
`14:41.17`	`gass`	`snadge: because are the only avaiable`
`14:41.19`	`rengel`	`jim: I see, but debian-desktop.org - unofficial ?`
`14:41.33`	`_oc`	`I'm also looking for people who have successfully installed debian stable on IBM HS20 blades`
`14:41.33`	`K_Dallas`	`i see, thanks jim`
`14:41.36`	`jim`	`rengel: maybe`
`14:41.40`	`gass`	`_oc: install sarge on it ... it will be stable today or tomorrow`
`14:41.49`	`asg`	`_oc: I have 14 blades`
`14:42.06`	`_oc`	`asg: booting of disks or san?`
`14:42.08`	`asg`	`_oc: you'll need a custom kernel though since the sarge kernel doesn't support the tg3 drivers`
`14:42.15`	`asg`	`_oc: mine are san booted`
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`14:42.21`	`jim`	`what a coincidence! I have 14 handles!`
`14:42.30`	`asg`	`jim: 2x7 cutlery`
`14:42.45`	`_oc`	`asg: the san config was easy.. i have 14 blades booting of san.. now i need to install 5 blades to boot of disks.. i've run into so many problems`
`14:43.03`	`drac`	`asg: tg3.ko is removed from 2.6.11, but is included in 2.6.8 debian kernel.`
`14:43.03`	`_oc`	`gass: what do you mean sarge will become stable today or tomorrow?`
`14:43.14`	`_oc`	`gass: 3.0r6 just came out, didnt it?`
`14:43.18`	`asg`	`drac: it is but doesn't work with the HS20 cards`
`14:43.23`	`drac`	`asg: ok`
`14:43.27`	`jim`	`_oc: /topic`
`14:43.28`	`_oc`	`asg: can you send me your kernel config?`
`14:43.36`	`gass`	`_oc: 3.0 r6 is just an security upgrade. a new version will come out today or tomorrow`
`14:43.39`	`jim`	`yes it did`
`14:43.41`	`_oc`	`topic is blank for me`
`14:43.44`	`asg`	`_oc: sure, give me a second to put it up on a site`
`14:43.53`	`_oc`	`asg: awesome`
`14:44.00`	`gass`	`_oc: just install from debian installer rc3 http://www.debian.org/deve/debian-installer/`
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`14:44.14`	`_oc`	`asg: do you have any other notes on i.e. scsi configuration or similar you could share?`
`14:44.24`	`gass`	`_oc: and point the sources to sarge (instead of stable or testing)`
`14:44.28`	`_oc`	`probably not since you boot of san :)`
`14:44.41`	`jim`	`(from the topic) SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up \| target release date: 2005-06-06`
`14:44.58`	`_oc`	`asg: did you install the blades through xCAT or did you use a frontend for the san to build it, and then just boot them?`
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`14:45.55`	`_oc`	`gass: that link doesn't work`
`14:46.04`	`asg`	`_oc: I built a custom live cd using bootcd to do the installation with`
`14:46.26`	`_oc`	`ooooh oooh ooh`
`14:46.33`	`_oc`	`can i download that off somewhere?`
`14:46.40`	`_oc`	`im on a gigabit line :>`
`14:46.45`	`chimun`	`valdyn i fixed it! thanks for your help. i added mountvirtfs to start at S02 and then udev at S03 and now /dev/pts is good and terminals open. it was the order of these that is apparantely important.`
`14:47.08`	`gass`	`_oc: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/`
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`14:47.27`	`valdyn`	`chimun: oh you had a custom order?`
`14:47.28`	`_oc`	`gass: yeah found it on google, thanks :)`
`14:47.37`	`gass`	`_oc: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/ia64/current/debian-testing-ia64-netinst.iso`
`14:47.39`	`asg`	`_oc: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/config-2.4.28 (it's an old config but make oldconfig on a 2.4.30 source worked fine for me.)`
`14:47.49`	`srineer_home`	`can some one point me to a "Good" howto on setting up tftpd on a debian box?`
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`14:47.51`	`_oc`	`asg: awesome`
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`14:48.15`	`_oc`	`asg: config pentium III ? :)`
`14:48.20`	`asg`	`_oc: that should support both the ide pcmcia drives and the scsi backpacks.`
`14:48.24`	`jim`	`srineer_home: isn't it packaged?`
`14:48.27`	`tarzeau`	`srineer_home: www.linuks.mine.nu/helpers/tftpboot/`
`14:48.33`	`_oc`	`asg: Xeon is P4? :)`
`14:48.37`	`asg`	`_oc: it's an older one, feel free to tweak it.`
`14:48.38`	`srineer_home`	`yes, and it installs...but does not work`
`14:48.38`	`tarzeau`	`_oc: yes`
`14:48.46`	`_oc`	`asg: ok, thanks :))`
`14:48.50`	`asg`	`_oc: you're welcome`
`14:48.51`	`jim`	`oic, he wants to do net installs`
`14:48.54`	`tarzeau`	`srineer_home: works perfect here`
`14:49.23`	`tarzeau`	`jim: how many hours left?`
`14:49.31`	`jim`	`no idea :)`
`14:49.36`	`jim`	`in what?`
`14:49.37`	`gass`	`_oc: the default debian instalation installed on IBM blade HS20 ... i'll show you the fotos ...`
`14:49.45`	`tarzeau`	`7 hours 10 minutes here`
`14:49.46`	`tarzeau`	`jim: for sarge`
`14:49.52`	`srineer_home`	`works well on other distros, just not on debian`
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`14:50.15`	`jim`	`looks like sarge will be executed in...`
`14:50.22`	`_oc`	`asg: aah found out where mine differed now! i forgot scsi_ips (probably IBM ServeRAID support) hehe embarrasing`
`14:50.28`	`asg`	`_oc: :)`
`14:50.40`	`jim`	`9283749823749273498237489273492374987234 hours`
`14:50.50`	`jim`	`according to best estimate`
`14:50.53`	`_oc`	`gass: i believe you :D`
`14:51.02`	`_oc`	`but photos could be cool anyway`
`14:51.21`	`gass`	`_oc: http://www.segurmelis.pt/partys/thumbnails.php?album=14`
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`14:51.42`	`gass`	`_oc: that was for xeon version ... so IA64 will install also`
`14:51.43`	`_oc`	`but one thing gass... Is Xeon EM64T IA64 ??`
`14:51.47`	`gass`	`no problem for sure`
`14:51.47`	`asg`	`_oc: are you using the older san drivers from IBM or the oem ones from QLogic?`
`14:51.56`	`valdyn`	`gass: eh?`
`14:52.11`	`_oc`	`gass: I thought EM64T was IA32 with some extensions.. similar to AMD64`
`14:52.14`	`gass`	`_oc: don't mind for scsi drivers, they are in the kernel ... no problem`
`14:52.24`	`valdyn`	`_oc: ia64 is itanium, it wont run on any xeon`
`14:52.36`	`gass`	`valdyn: that's not the point`
`14:52.50`	`_oc`	`valdyn: thats what i thought..`
`14:52.51`	`gass`	`_oc: just grab IA64 installer cd and boot it`
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`14:53.05`	`gass`	`_oc: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/ia64/current/debian-testing-ia64-netinst.iso`
`14:53.07`	`_oc`	`foshizzle?`
`14:53.09`	`_oc`	`:)`
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`14:53.17`	`xxenon`	`after changing /etc/network/interfaces , shouldnt "/etc/init.d/networking restart" reconfigure my ifaces ?`
`14:53.32`	`CyzarX`	`hello all, where to increase the buffering?`
`14:53.38`	`_oc`	`gass: thanks again`
`14:53.40`	`gass`	`tarzeau: sarge will be out, when?`
`14:53.43`	`asg`	`xxenon: provided you have relevant auto <interface> lines`
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`14:54.03`	`xxenon`	`asg - I have them.`
`14:54.05`	`paulswm`	`CyzarX: what buffering do you mean?`
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`14:54.08`	`gass`	`_oc: it will install with no problem for sure. running all the blades ... that's diferent`
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`14:54.19`	`asg`	`xxenon: then it should. If not, ifdown <interface> ; ifup <interface> will`
`14:54.38`	`tarzeau`	`gass: in 7 hours`
`14:54.41`	`chimun`	`valdyn yeah, order was wrong.. silly me ;)`
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`14:54.47`	`tarzeau`	`gass: if all goes bad in 7+23 hours`
`14:54.47`	`CyzarX`	`paulswm, when i play trailer in the movie site, it keeps on buffering. so i wish to increase the buffering (seconds)`
`14:54.50`	`_oc`	`gass: what do you mean, running all the blades..`
`14:55.26`	`_oc`	`so i can install it, but not use it? hehe`
`14:55.39`	`gass`	`tarzeau: 00 hours of monday?`
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`14:55.51`	`gass`	`tarzeau: were did you saw that?`
`14:56.00`	`xtension`	`can you tell me a console app to change a jpg to png ?`
`14:56.08`	`FieldySnuts`	`imagemagick (convert)`
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`14:56.20`	`xtension`	`FieldySnuts thanks`
`14:56.25`	`gass`	`_oc: you can ... you have to see later. no prblem, for sure, i told you`
`14:56.28`	`gravity`	`xtension: There's one in imagemagick`
`14:57.01`	`tarzeau`	`gass: i haven't i just said it's planned for 6/6/05 but we don't know when`
`14:57.14`	`gass`	`ok`
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`14:57.22`	`crashbg`	`there was nice kde screen capture app in kde packet, what was its name because i cant find it`
`14:57.26`	`_oc`	`ok, rephrasing my question. Which ISO-branch should I choose for IBM HS20 blades with Dual Xeon EM64T 3.2 CPU's. IA64, i386 or AMD64?`
`14:57.39`	`tarzeau`	`_oc: i386`
`14:57.44`	`_oc`	`thanks`
`14:57.45`	`FieldySnuts`	`definately not amd64`
`14:57.52`	`positrix`	`how do i prevent a process from using all of my cpu time?`
`14:58.01`	`FieldySnuts`	`!pal em64t`
`14:58.09`	`_oc`	`well the IA32-E (EM64T) is built on the same model as AMD64?`
`14:58.21`	`gass`	`_oc: read here https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274689`
`14:58.23`	`FieldySnuts`	`no. you're talking intel and amd.`
`14:58.31`	`CyzarX`	`hello all, where to increase the kaffeine buffering?`
`14:58.37`	`gass`	`_oc: from amd64 faq: No. IA64 is Intel's designation for their Itanium architecture. Intel's name for their AMD64-compatible architecture is EM64T (Extended Memory 64 Technology). IA64 systems are a completely different architecture.`
`14:58.39`	`bob2`	`em64t is like crippled amd65`
`14:58.42`	`bob2`	`er, 64`
`14:58.52`	`bob2`	`it's slightly crapper and a fair bit more expensive`
`14:58.54`	`gass`	`_oc: so EM64T is amd64`
`14:58.55`	`bob2`	`and slower`
`14:59.08`	`FieldySnuts`	`uh i wouldn't go amd64 then`
`14:59.09`	`_oc`	`gass: my point.`
`14:59.12`	`FieldySnuts`	`but whatever that doc sya.s`
`14:59.29`	`r3tr0`	`positrix: man nice`
`14:59.35`	`gass`	`_oc: use the building for amd64 ... amd64.debian.net`
`14:59.41`	`gass`	`_oc: or use 386`
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`15:00.12`	`gass`	`tarzeau: i have heard that they are no accepting anymore changes`
`15:00.39`	`tarzeau`	`gass: so have i`
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`15:00.55`	`gass`	`also ... that the cd's are building`
`15:01.24`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh i'm more confused after reading that, shrug`
`15:01.39`	`gass`	`tarzeau: UTC time?`
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`15:01.57`	`gass`	`tarzeau: or GMT? here is 16 hours (4 pm)`
`15:01.59`	`_oc`	`gass: I guess I'll use 386`
`15:02.18`	`gass`	`_oc: the amd64 port compiles almost all sarge (about 90% i think)`
`15:02.46`	`gass`	`_oc: check packages.debian.org/package to see if the application you what is amd64 compiled`
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`15:03.06`	`gass`	`_oc: for example http://packages.debian.org/samba`
`15:03.20`	`gass`	`and you'll see that samba bulds in amd64`
`15:03.22`	`paulswm`	`CyzarX: maybe ask in #kaffeine`
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`15:03.39`	`tarzeau`	`gass: i'm one or two hours to UTC`
`15:03.41`	`gass`	`_oc: testing (net): a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix`
`15:03.41`	`gass`	`3.0.14a-3: alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc`
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`15:04.02`	`FieldySnuts`	`uh nice nick.`
`15:04.08`	`tarzeau`	`gass: so it's not a problem to fill some hours -- with #bub-n-bros`
`15:04.13`	`asg`	`FieldySnuts: gnaa?`
`15:04.17`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh`
`15:04.23`	`FieldySnuts`	`@aussiesmite gnaa`
`15:04.23`	`ravenbird`	`gnaa: cheerio mate`
`15:04.34`	`asg`	`not really a smite is it`
`15:04.38`	`FieldySnuts`	`nah`
`15:04.46`	`DeadNigger`	`FieldySnuts: Ich Hatte Einen Kameraden.. Schwarz ist mein Panzer`
`15:04.46`	`FieldySnuts`	`either is slinglishsmite or whatever hehe`
`15:04.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`!de`
`15:04.54`	`dpkg`	`i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes...`
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`15:05.34`	`Anthro`	`I need a quick procmail line to forward all mail to another account. (No, I can't just use a .forward file, but that's the functionality I'm looking for.)`
`15:05.47`	`paulswm`	`r3tr0: please don't /msg me, I don't know you`
`15:05.53`	`asg`	`FieldySnuts: bob2's around`
`15:06.01`	`bob2`	`hey`
`15:06.04`	`bob2`	`I don't hide on sunday`
`15:06.07`	`FieldySnuts`	`well the guy hasn't caused much trouble i guess`
`15:06.09`	`r3tr0`	`paulswm: sorry, thought you'd remember. my bad.`
`15:06.10`	`FieldySnuts`	`bob2: most ops do :D`
`15:06.11`	`asg`	`bob2: one of the few, the brave`
`15:06.13`	`DeadNigger`	`FieldySnuts: I'm still trying to figure out when humans will follow through on Darwin's prediction and exterminate the anthropomorphous apes on the planet including human ethnic groups who most fit that profile most closely`
`15:06.19`	`FieldySnuts`	`okay. now he has.`
`15:06.22`	`bob2`	`I just ignore everything until someone does ! at me`
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`15:06.26`	`paulswm`	`r3tr0: Not to worry, sorry, old man memory, prolly my fault`
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`15:06.37`	`FieldySnuts`	`bob2: check out what DeadN*gger is saying.`
`15:06.45`	`gravity`	`bob2: ! <---- take that!`
`15:06.52`	`bob2`	`haha`
`15:06.56`	`paulswm`	`!singlishsmite DeadNigger`
`15:06.57`	`dpkg`	`DeadNigger: Ah, shaddup lah. You all fart and no shit only.`
`15:07.08`	`*** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ`
`15:07.08`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@cpe-204-210-133-72.hvc.res.rr.com] by bob2`
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`15:07.08`	`*** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2`
`15:07.11`	`FieldySnuts`	`thanks.`
`15:07.19`	`paulswm`	`!beer bob2`
`15:07.28`	`bob2`	`hm`
`15:07.42`	`bob2`	`adding logging to python systems is hard`
`15:07.49`	`positrix`	`i had a look at nice, but what im after is a way to _prevent_ a process using more than, say, 50% of the cpu.`
`15:07.49`	`FieldySnuts`	`!be a logging barbie`
`15:07.50`	`dpkg`	`Aww, logging is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts`
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`15:08.00`	`asg`	`bob2: there's an article on onlamp.com about just that very topic`
`15:08.17`	`bob2`	`asg: oh, cool, thanks!`
`15:08.21`	`asg`	`bob2: you're welcome`
`15:08.25`	`Anthro`	`bob2: python can't use syslog?`
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`15:08.35`	`paulswm`	`Good one, Fieldy`
`15:08.36`	`FieldySnuts`	`positrix: you wanna look at ulimit or pam limits`
`15:08.45`	`asg`	`Anthro: it can`
`15:08.57`	`bob2`	`Anthro: it can`
`15:09.12`	`Anthro`	`Er, so what makes logging hard, then?`
`15:09.17`	`bob2`	`Anthro: the hard bit is inserting passing the log object around`
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`15:09.39`	`bob2`	`globals are bad, but so are magic boilerplate __init__ arguments`
`15:10.08`	`Anthro`	`bob2: Well, sure, globals are bad, but a global logger just makes sense.`
`15:10.23`	`bob2`	`Anthro: well, it needs some setup code`
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`15:10.46`	`bob2`	`it's easy to do, but doing it in a away that feels clean is beyond me`
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`15:11.23`	`Anthro`	`bob2: Logging is never clean. It's an ugly workaround for not having a system smart enough to know when it's in trouble.`
`15:11.32`	`bob2`	`Anthro: hmmm`
`15:11.33`	`FieldySnuts`	`laugh.`
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`15:11.58`	`bob2`	`I think what I really want is AOP`
`15:12.02`	`bob2`	`but I don't understand it either`
`15:13.01`	`Anthro`	`bob2: AOP is interesting, but it's mostly a solution looking for a problem. There is a very limited class of problems (mostly having to do with well-known data structures and well-known algorithms over them) for which it is suitable.`
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`15:13.20`	`bob2`	`Anthro: hm, ok`
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`15:14.48`	`zefred`	`hello`
`15:14.49`	`Anthro`	`bob2: There is an elegance and beauty to it, especially when implementing it in C++, but I have not yet seen a programming/design problem that called for it.`
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`15:15.18`	`Anthro`	`So anyway, about getting procmail to forward everything to another address.`
`15:15.26`	`zefred`	`i'd like to scan my windows computer from debian is it possible?`
`15:15.29`	`nazgul`	`Rawplayer, what is it?`
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`15:15.35`	`Anthro`	`zefred: scan it for what?`
`15:15.35`	`asg`	`Anthro: there are plenty of examples in the procmailex manpage`
`15:15.37`	`gravity`	`zefred: Scan it for what?`
`15:15.46`	`gravity`	`Man, I'm just slow this morning :-p`
`15:15.55`	`zefred`	`gravity: for virus`
`15:16.01`	`Anthro`	`asg: Excellent, reading now.`
`15:16.03`	`jim`	`Anthro: use a .forward for that... what do you mean everything?`
`15:16.07`	`bob2`	`:0c`
`15:16.07`	`bob2`	`!user@domain`
`15:16.07`	`bob2`	`#`
`15:16.10`	`bob2`	`Anthro: ^`
`15:16.21`	`xtension`	`FieldySnuts do you know how i can get the sizes of an image ? i want to resize a jpg but first i need to its sizes ?`
`15:16.22`	`Anthro`	`jim: I can't use a .forward file on this system. It isn't supported.`
`15:16.30`	`jim`	`ahh`
`15:16.46`	`asg`	`Anthro: if you ever wanted to see some serious procmail-fu, look at the SmartList MLM. ;)`
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`15:17.02`	`Anthro`	`bob2: How does :0c differ from :0:`
`15:17.32`	`Anthro`	`?`
`15:17.32`	`bob2`	`Anthro: sends a copy instead of deleting it`
`15:17.53`	`Anthro`	`bob2: Ah. So to make it like a .forward (without a \user) I need :0:, right?`
`15:18.04`	`bob2`	`Anthro: well, :0`
`15:18.18`	`bob2`	`:0: means "use mbox locking", which is unneccessary`
`15:18.24`	`jim`	`Anthro: not your machine?`
`15:18.34`	`Anthro`	`bob2: Ah, thanks.`
`15:18.42`	`asg`	`bob2: procmail should implement all the other smileys too :p`
`15:18.45`	`quittt`	`do you know a aptitude mirror for Opera??`
`15:18.51`	`Anthro`	`jim: A university system from which I am migrating.`
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`15:19.29`	`bob2`	`hah`
`15:19.38`	`bob2`	`quittt: it's non-fre, talk to the Opera people about it`
`15:19.48`	`quittt`	`bob2, yeah I know`
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`15:20.02`	`quittt`	`I want to add it to update automaticly`
`15:20.06`	`FieldySnuts`	`ask them then`
`15:20.13`	`FieldySnuts`	`we don't know about or support it, they do`
`15:20.16`	`Anthro`	`Okay, next question. Is there any good way to get spamassassin to read a maildir, or do I have to jump through hoops to convert it to an mbox?`
`15:20.19`	`bob2`	`quittt: no one else can do it, you have to ask them`
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`15:20.31`	`positrix`	`quittt: www.opera.com find the download section, find the .deb package, then use dpkg`
`15:20.36`	`SjoerdJob`	`Hello. A friend of mine is having trouble installing debian - no CD writer, floppies don't recognize Wireless network card - so I thought: Maybe he could get it to install using a bootable USB stick. So, I looked in the manual, and it only walks through making a bootable USB-stick from Linux. Problem is, he's using windows.`
`15:20.44`	`FieldySnuts`	`bob2: but wait if they are idle, that means #debian automatically is the right place.`
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`15:20.54`	`SjoerdJob`	`Do you by any change know, how to make a bootable USB to install debian?`
`15:21.05`	`gravity`	`!rubegoldberginstall`
`15:21.08`	`Anthro`	`quitte: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=opera&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all`
`15:21.09`	`FieldySnuts`	`!rube goldberg install`
`15:21.09`	`dpkg`	`"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."`
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`15:21.12`	`FieldySnuts`	`close`
`15:21.19`	`paulswm`	`HAH`
`15:21.34`	`gravity`	`That's pretty close to the truth`
`15:21.37`	`nazgul`	`"I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://www.w3.org/..." while compiling libxslt from cvs`
`15:21.42`	`jim`	`SjoerdJob: there are memory stick images but you'd have to arrange to write them -raw- to the stick`
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`15:22.05`	`SjoerdJob`	`How would that work?`
`15:22.09`	`bob2`	`SjoerdJob: rawrite.exe presumably would work`
`15:22.10`	`SjoerdJob`	`Using rawrite?`
`15:22.12`	`jim`	`not sure if it would`
`15:22.13`	`SjoerdJob`	`Ok.`
`15:22.19`	`Anthro`	`SjoerdJob: Find a friend with a CD burner.`
`15:22.21`	`quittt`	`positrix, I know but it is pretty anoying`
`15:22.24`	`jim`	`well, it's certainly worth a shot`
`15:22.55`	`Anthro`	`quittt: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=opera&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all`
`15:22.58`	`jim`	`doesn't the new installer have wireless drivers?`
`15:23.16`	`FieldySnuts`	`i would doubt it, as most of those are binary, closed source, firmware that has to be uploaded to the card`
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`15:23.28`	`jim`	`and if so what would it take to get them on a floppy image`
`15:23.40`	`gravity`	`Yeah, but Free drivers don't exist for all wireless cards`
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`15:23.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`not our fault`
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`15:24.00`	`FieldySnuts`	`we shouldn't bend over for it`
`15:24.00`	`jim`	`bah: you're just in time`
`15:24.05`	`FieldySnuts`	`Phated: hi dear :)`
`15:24.12`	`Phated`	`FieldySnuts: 'ello, luv, how are you?`
`15:24.15`	`FieldySnuts`	`fine`
`15:24.19`	`FieldySnuts`	`sleep ok?`
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`15:24.32`	`Phated`	`Meh? It's only 23:24.`
`15:24.44`	`quitte`	`ah hooray quittt is back`
`15:24.52`	`FieldySnuts`	`hrm ok`
`15:25.09`	`Anthro`	`quitte: Sorry about the wrong nick thing`
`15:25.10`	`FieldySnuts`	`12:25 here`
`15:25.28`	`Anthro`	`11:24 here. Sound off!`
`15:25.51`	`quitte`	`Anthro: happens all the time.`
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`15:25.59`	`Anthro`	`[OT poll] Does anyone use coolmail?`
`15:26.18`	`quittt`	`quitte, hehehe`
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`15:26.46`	`Anthro`	`quittt: Did you get that URL? The opera folks maintain a Debian repository for opera.`
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`15:27.21`	`quittt`	`Anthro, where is the debian repository?`
`15:27.42`	`Anthro`	`quittt: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=opera&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all`
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`15:28.10`	`FieldySnuts`	`yum. quite strong storms here later today, will have to have the cameras ready`
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`15:29.07`	`quittt`	`Anthro, it is down...`
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`15:29.35`	`sciboy`	`Heya, i am having issues connecting to my wireless router, i normally use a script to set all my settings and bring the connection up, however i must be missing something since, it DOESN'T work, but when i use dhclient it does.`
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`15:29.40`	`Anthro`	`quittt: What is down? The website I sent you to, or the repository?`
`15:30.11`	`_oc`	`sciboy: add dhclient <<iface>> to your script then :)`
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`15:30.32`	`sciboy`	`_oc: I use port forwarding and need to have a static ip =/`
`15:30.41`	`quittt`	`Anthro, the repository`
`15:30.47`	`*** part/#debian Mega-Dog (~MegaDog@user-33qtshu.dialup.mindspring.com)`
`15:30.58`	`sciboy`	`I have:`
`15:31.00`	`_oc`	`sciboy: why?`
`15:31.00`	`sciboy`	`ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 up`
`15:31.06`	`sciboy`	`route add default gw 192.168.1.1 eth0`
`15:31.13`	`sciboy`	`Is there more i am suppose to add?`
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`15:31.49`	`Anthro`	`quittt: Mm. Well, I can't help that. If and when it's back up, there's your repository. For now, you can apparently download the .deb directly from opera.com`
`15:33.51`	`codester`	`what packages are required to run kde app under gnome? cause i am trying to remove all kde related packages and leave the one that are nescecary`
`15:34.01`	`FieldySnuts`	`odd. k3b crashed. eats up 100% cpu so i kill kdeinit. that's gone but k3b is still there... lame ass kde apps`
`15:34.19`	`Anthro`	`codester: Remove all of KDE, then install one KDE app. It will bring in what is needed.`
`15:34.20`	`gravity`	`Probably just the libs`
`15:34.45`	`codester`	`Anders1: ahh k hehe`
`15:35.09`	`FieldySnuts`	`crashing on anything i do now. oh well this is why i use xfce4`
`15:35.18`	`jethro`	`sciboy: define doesn't work`
`15:35.52`	`Anthro`	`bob2: Thanks for the procmail help. Mail appears to be forwarding perfectly.`
`15:35.54`	`_oc`	`sciboy: dhclient eth0 \ MYIP=/sbin/ifconfig eth0 \| sed -n -e'/inet addr:/s/^.inet addr:$[0-9.]$.*$/\1/p' \ ssh -F XXXX:$MYIP:YYYY whatever`
`15:36.22`	`bob2`	`Anthro: np`
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`15:36.58`	`_oc`	sciboy: MYIP=` that long command ` ofcourse
`15:37.00`	`Anthro`	`How does one make sa-learn play nice with maildirs instead of mboxes?`
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`15:37.35`	`hikenboot`	`hello all this is probably not a debian quesiton but I get an error when I run install of vmware gsx about certificates....see #flood`
`15:37.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`definately not debian, please ask vmware`
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`15:38.04`	`hikenboot`	`I did noone had a clue`
`15:38.16`	`hikenboot`	`is there a site for certifciates ssl?`
`15:38.20`	`_oc`	`reinstall everything :)`
`15:38.25`	`_oc`	`buy one of verisign :)`
`15:38.30`	`FieldySnuts`	`how does that make us the right place... sigh`
`15:38.46`	`hikenboot`	`thats cause I have come to know you guys know everything!`
`15:38.56`	`_oc`	`hikenboot: or generate one with openssl...`
`15:38.58`	`jethro`	`!they don't know`
`15:38.58`	`dpkg`	`Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google.`
`15:39.09`	`hikenboot`	`thats a package oc?`
`15:39.20`	`kelan`	`how can i change the font that rxvt uses? is there a way to browse through available fonts akin to xfontsel?`
`15:39.41`	`hikenboot`	`installing`
`15:39.42`	`hikenboot`	`thanks`
`15:39.45`	`_oc`	`hikenboot: openssl x509 -out lame.crt`
`15:39.49`	`_oc`	`or something`
`15:39.49`	`Anthro`	`I'm seeing a --maildir option for sa-learn on some web pages, but not in Debian's man page. Is Debian's version just old?`
`15:39.57`	`jethro`	`!vaguenesssmite _oc`
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`15:40.40`	`_oc`	`vagueness? hah, i almost even gave him the correct command`
`15:40.54`	`codester`	`are there any command to see if hyperthreading is working correctly?`
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`15:41.05`	`Anthro`	`codester: cat /proc/cpuinfo`
`15:41.05`	`bob2`	`codester: cat /proc/cpuinfo`
`15:41.11`	`bob2`	`codester: does it show one or two cpus?`
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`15:41.41`	`codester`	`bob2: 2`
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`15:42.08`	`jethro`	`_oc: almost, or something, is .. mm vague`
`15:42.11`	`Anthro`	`kelan: If you use xterm, it's easy. I don't use rxvt for reasons a lot like that.`
`15:42.12`	`orchid`	`kelan: just pick one and do something like rxvt -fn "xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=14,xft:Andale Mono:pixelsize=11.5,9x15bold"`
`15:42.14`	`bob2`	`codester: there you go`
`15:42.24`	`codester`	`bob2: i got kernel irq balance, do i still need irqbalance for hyperthreading to work?`
`15:42.53`	`_oc`	`jethro: a tad better than saying generate one with openssl :) I even told him he needed a x509 cert, which probably saved him 1 hour of reading ;)`
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`15:43.15`	`jethro`	`!qotd51`
`15:43.15`	`dpkg`	`<Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid`
`15:43.16`	`bob2`	`codester: I don't think so`
`15:43.23`	`_oc`	`hehe`
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`15:43.46`	`otje`	`Why can't I find CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ in my 2.4 kernel config?`
`15:44.06`	`shingouz`	`otje: in kernel hacking`
`15:44.23`	`Pappa`	`sarge tomorrow?`
`15:44.39`	`jethro`	`!topicsmite Pappa`
`15:44.40`	`dpkg`	`And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Pappa. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.`
`15:44.45`	`codester`	`oh yeah by the way is there any monitoring utility that let you see the load on the cpu both the physical and virtual one like windows?`
`15:44.59`	`kelan`	`orchid: how can i get a list of them to try them out and see which i like best?`
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`15:45.10`	`_oc`	`otje: might be called MAGIC_SYSRQ .. which 2.4 kernel are you using?`
`15:45.24`	`Solet-deb`	`codester: i know that in gnome there's a panel applet that shows it`
`15:45.28`	`otje`	`at the moment 2.4.19 but was planning to upgrade anyway`
`15:45.33`	`otje`	`could't find the option in cat .config`
`15:45.44`	`_oc`	`otje: you need kernel debugging aswell then i think.. prior to .27 i think`
`15:45.53`	`Solet-deb`	`so.... what time tomorrow is the release supposed to release?`
`15:46.08`	`treyh0`	`Solet-deb: its already out`
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`15:46.20`	`Solet-deb`	`sarge is stable?`
`15:46.25`	`gravity`	`It's not out yet`
`15:46.25`	`treyh0`	`yep`
`15:46.35`	`gravity`	`Almost, but not yet`
`15:46.35`	`_oc`	`treyh0: ^^ topic... sarge not out ...`
`15:46.37`	`Solet-deb`	`oh who to believe who to believe`
`15:46.46`	`gravity`	`The CD's are not yet done`
`15:46.49`	`treyh0`	`i've been able to use sarge for a while now`
`15:46.50`	`treyh0`	`its not out?`
`15:46.50`	`treyh0`	`:P`
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`15:46.59`	`codester`	`Solet-deb: yeah but its only for the physical cpu, it doesnt show the hyperthreading virtual one`
`15:47.03`	`shingouz`	`treyh0: of course not, try in 3005`
`15:47.11`	`_oc`	`you can probably download sarge today and do a apt-get upgrade tomorrow with the same result`
`15:47.17`	`paulswm`	`treyh0: sarge is availabe but not stable, it's testing.`
`15:47.28`	`paulswm`	`sigh`
`15:47.31`	`orchid`	`kelan: xlsfont will list them`
`15:47.37`	`paulswm`	`No one reads the debian web site.`
`15:47.38`	`rikva`	`Can someone help me, I want to configure Wine, but I can't find the configfile in ~/.wine/config, I don't have that file, where is my Wine configfile?`
`15:47.39`	`treyh0`	`the rc bug count keeps going down then up again`
`15:47.40`	`treyh0`	`i dont get that`
`15:47.41`	`jethro`	`treyh0: you've been using sarge as testing`
`15:47.43`	`Solet-deb`	`codester: sry`
`15:47.49`	`K1`	`hi, guys. i want to use the video-in function of my "Sparkle SP7200T2 VIVO" graphics card. Unfortunately I don't know what module to load - I can't look on the PCB and lspci doesn't give any information. What should I do?`
`15:48.00`	`Solet-deb`	`treyh0: you're a fucking moron....`
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`15:48.02`	`shingouz`	`about the best possible day to sit on #debian. sunday and a new release is imminent after years and years`
`15:48.05`	`treyh0`	`haha`
`15:48.05`	`kelan`	`orchid: thanks`
`15:48.07`	`treyh0`	`word`
`15:48.16`	`_oc`	`rikva: mkdir ~/.wine/ && touch ~/.wine/config`
`15:48.29`	`shingouz`	`:)`
`15:48.33`	`Solet-deb`	`!sunday`
`15:48.34`	`dpkg`	`Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.`
`15:48.42`	`treyh0`	`could it be that the moron is the one who asks without reading their screen when they enter the channel and the topic is displayed?`
`15:48.42`	`FieldySnuts`	`@troll Solet-deb`
`15:48.43`	`rikva`	`_oc: according to the wine site, i already should have that file filled in.`
`15:48.46`	`Solet-deb`	`whats his sunday song`
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`15:49.04`	`shingouz`	`treyh0: this is sunday, what do you expect`
`15:49.04`	`_oc`	`rikva: according to the error message, you don't.`
`15:49.13`	`shingouz`	`!sing sunday`
`15:49.13`	`dpkg`	`Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play...`
`15:49.17`	`rikva`	`_oc: I know, strange, isnt it?`
`15:49.23`	`treyh0`	`shingouz: duno, i didn't know ppl swarm here on sunday`
`15:49.33`	`jethro`	`!aolify treyh0`
`15:49.33`	`Solet-deb`	`FieldySnuts: i'm not trolling... i asked a question and he proceded to tell me that sarge was released cause he's been using it... :/`
`15:49.36`	`_oc`	`rikva: try winesetup or wineconfig or something obscure like that.`
`15:49.41`	`shingouz`	`treyh0: you havent been on #debian too long haven't you?`
`15:49.48`	`FieldySnuts`	`!singlishsmite Solet-deb`
`15:49.48`	`dpkg`	`Solet-deb: Why so gorblock, you?`
`15:50.01`	`treyh0`	`i idle and read logs for interesting tidbits`
`15:50.11`	`treyh0`	`don't make me bust out aol.irc script`
`15:50.17`	`_oc`	`sarge is released`
`15:50.20`	`FieldySnuts`	`sadly, i know what that is`
`15:50.23`	`_oc`	`sarge has been out for years`
`15:50.33`	`jethro`	`!lart _oc`
`15:50.37`	`FieldySnuts`	`_oc: stop spreading fud.`
`15:50.38`	`shingouz`	`treyh0: aol? when was the last time you had a catscan done?`
`15:50.41`	`_oc`	`but stable based on sarge will probably be out tomorrow ;)`
`15:50.50`	`FieldySnuts`	`treyh0: HEHE IM CRING`
`15:50.52`	`_oc`	`be specific :)`
`15:50.55`	`treyh0`	`FieldySnuts: haha`
`15:50.58`	`FieldySnuts`	`treyh0: :D`
`15:51.03`	`treyh0`	`:>`
`15:51.07`	`Solet-deb`	`thats what i'm asking... does anyone know what time sarge will hit the servers as stable?`
`15:51.22`	`jethro`	`Solet-deb: /msg dpkg wir`
`15:51.24`	`shingouz`	`_oc: you do not have a clue what you are saying. sarge shoudl release tomorrow, not something "based on sarge". geee....`
`15:51.29`	`treyh0`	`jethro: WHAT UR J00 TOO FRAID UV DA UREET AOL_MAN?`
`15:51.34`	`treyh0`	`ok ok`
`15:51.35`	`FieldySnuts`	`oh no don't start that here`
`15:51.37`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh`
`15:51.37`	`jethro`	`plonk`
`15:51.39`	`_oc`	`Solet-deb: probably sometime soon, maybe tomorrow ;)`
`15:51.48`	`orchid`	`kelan: xfontsel should also do it`
`15:51.48`	`positrix`	`my laptop has no fan. full cpu usage for more than half an hour causes it to overheat and poweroff instantly. how can i prevent full cpu usage? nice wont do that sort of thing, and ulimit wont allow me to use a percentage (either that or im not doing it right...)`
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`15:52.01`	`_oc`	`shingouz: sarge = testing now. maybe = stable tomorrow ;)`
`15:52.07`	`paulswm`	`Just like IBM used to say, "coming Real Soon Now"`
`15:52.10`	`FieldySnuts`	`treyh0: i think it's bad that people run into each other and know what that is`
`15:52.23`	`valdyn`	`positrix: does some kind of cpu scaling work?`
`15:52.23`	`shingouz`	`_oc: plonk`
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`15:52.24`	`treyh0`	`FieldySnuts: just means we've been around for a while`
`15:52.31`	`valdyn`	`positrix: does some kind of cpu frequency scaling work?`
`15:52.38`	`FieldySnuts`	`treyh0: no doubt. that one (and others) originated on efnet #714`
`15:52.40`	`positrix`	`valdyn: how do i do that?`
`15:52.46`	`treyh0`	`ah the good old days`
`15:52.58`	`FieldySnuts`	`there is a guy with the nick ekay there heh`
`15:53.11`	`valdyn`	`positrix: ill take that as a no... which cpu is it?`
`15:53.17`	`paulswm`	`You kids don't know what old is`
`15:53.18`	`treyh0`	`netsplit warriors`
`15:53.19`	`treyh0`	`lol`
`15:53.19`	`_oc`	`i just started using debian again the other day.. haven't used it since 1.2. It's become crap since then :p`
`15:53.27`	`FieldySnuts`	`!aussiesmite efnet`
`15:53.27`	`dpkg`	`efnet: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell`
`15:53.31`	`_oc`	`</Fud>`
`15:53.39`	`Solet-deb`	`bbl: shower, coffee, research, phonecalls, boss is arrested and thrown in jail cause i got enough dirt on the bitch to put her away for a long time`
`15:53.39`	`treyh0`	`lol`
`15:53.58`	`Solet-deb`	`onya dpkg`
`15:54.09`	`FieldySnuts`	`treyh0: a bunch of other scripts spun off that aol one, sod, disolve, zig, aussie, few others i won't mention`
`15:54.09`	`positrix`	`valdyn: PIII 600 (though i always run it at 300MHz, and i still overheats :(`
`15:54.12`	`_oc`	`Solet-deb: sounds like you've been sexually harassed`
`15:54.18`	`Solet-deb`	`no`
`15:54.24`	`FieldySnuts`	`!abuse Solet-deb`
`15:54.31`	`treyh0`	`Solet-deb: let me know how it goes with her, i'm really interested in it`
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`15:54.41`	`Solet-deb`	`my checks (and the checks of others) have been shorted by anywhere from 5 to 15 hours`
`15:54.46`	`_oc`	`She can serve her time in my bedroom`
`15:54.48`	`FieldySnuts`	`sounds like a lawsuit`
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`15:54.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`@spank _oc`
`15:54.57`	`treyh0`	`lol oc`
`15:54.59`	`valdyn`	`positrix: alright, i dont think p3 supports freq scaling at all.`
`15:55.00`	`Solet-deb`	`_oc: she only fucks cops`
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`15:55.05`	`FieldySnuts`	`oh my`
`15:55.14`	`paulswm`	`O_O`
`15:55.20`	`valdyn`	`positrix: you cant really throttle it then`
`15:55.20`	`FieldySnuts`	`paulswm: sunday...`
`15:55.21`	`Solet-deb`	`thus our nickname for the bitch is pig fucker`
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`15:55.26`	`shingouz`	`Solet-deb: from what you have told us so far she does fuck others too...`
`15:55.30`	`paulswm`	`FieldySnuts: Indeed :)`
`15:55.30`	`valdyn`	`positrix: get a better heatsink.`
`15:55.32`	`qwerty`	`Where can I find a howto for ide cd burning with kernel 2.6?`
`15:55.35`	`FieldySnuts`	`can we talk about SOMETHING else?`
`15:55.37`	`Solet-deb`	`shingouz: true`
`15:55.47`	`_oc`	`well, as long as she doesn't fuck the judge too, your juristitia is safe`
`15:55.47`	`shingouz`	`FieldySnuts: yes, ma'm`
`15:55.49`	`Solet-deb`	`but its our checks she's fucking.... us with...`
`15:55.55`	`Solet-deb`	`checks = fewer std's`
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`15:56.37`	`_oc`	`bigger checks = more money = more women = more std's. yep.. proven cause-reaction-chain.`
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`15:57.09`	`paulswm`	`!wb jetscreamer`
`15:57.09`	`dpkg`	`O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! jetscreamer has returned!`
`15:57.33`	`codester`	`do i have to log in as root in order to edit the item under debian menu? cause i removed some packages but the link is still there`
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`15:57.48`	`jetscreamer`	`!hi paulswm`
`15:57.48`	`dpkg`	`Long days and pleasant nights, sai paulswm!`
`15:57.57`	`paulswm`	`:D`
`15:57.57`	`_oc`	`!specific codester`
`15:58.09`	`_oc`	`hmm, someone teach the bot that`
`15:58.10`	`jetscreamer`	`!unknown factoid`
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`15:58.58`	`Anthro`	`codester: If you removed packages properly, it was done as root. Quite likely it simply hasn't been reflected in your current session's menu. Try ending your session and starting a new one.`
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`15:59.08`	`positrix`	`valdyn: heat sinks are cemented on to the cpu. getting a new heat sink would require another cpu, in which case i may as well get a new laptop...`
`15:59.16`	`poncha\|work`	`where would i look if i wanted an explanation on SOA record structure in bind's zone file ?`
`15:59.25`	`FieldySnuts`	`bind source?`
`15:59.28`	`FieldySnuts`	`isc web site?`
`15:59.31`	`codester`	`Anthro: yeah i've tried logging out and back in and its still there, should i reboot?`
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`15:59.36`	`valdyn`	`positrix: probably`
`15:59.39`	`poncha\|work`	`isc! right. thanks`
`15:59.43`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: bind documentation. RFC for DNS`
`16:00.02`	`scaver`	`hello, just installed sarge here, need some tip on what x fontserver to install.`
`16:00.15`	`jetscreamer`	`try update-menus`
`16:00.16`	`poncha\|work`	`jethro, rfc for dns? isnt this (structure and order) specific for bind?`
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`16:00.22`	`_oc`	`poncha\|work: probably 1035`
`16:00.23`	`valdyn`	`positrix: something surely is broken if your system overheats at 50% frequency`
`16:00.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`!fuck laptops`
`16:00.34`	`poncha\|work`	`thanks, looking up`
`16:00.44`	`Anthro`	`codester: It shouldn't be necessary. GNOME menus are black voodoo. I recommend discarding all of the effort you spent on customizing GNOME and switching to KDE, since it is unquestionably better.`
`16:00.51`	`Anthro`	`!start a de war`
`16:00.53`	`jetscreamer`	`try update-menus`
`16:01.00`	`Anthro`	`!start a desktop environment war`
`16:01.02`	`FieldySnuts`	`try wm`
`16:01.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`close enough`
`16:01.05`	`jetscreamer`	`o customizing`
`16:01.05`	`positrix`	`!fuck everyoneintheroom`
`16:01.06`	`jetscreamer`	`nm`
`16:01.06`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: the SOA is not a bind specific term. bind documentation should cover this point, and further information may be found in the various RFCs`
`16:01.08`	`kelan`	`orchid: when i try to use any font with "xft:" in front of the name, such as your example, it gives an error, even though i know i have it on my system. is it possible that xft isn't working properly?`
`16:01.16`	`codester`	`Anthro: lol, i kinda like gnome feel more =P`
`16:01.18`	`valdyn`	`codester: check the bts and / or file a bug report`
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`16:01.28`	`jetscreamer`	`icewm >gnome`
`16:01.30`	`scaver`	`the xfontservers listed is, xfs, xfs-tt and xfstt. what should i choose?`
`16:01.32`	`Anthro`	`codester: That was tongue-in-cheek. To each his own.`
`16:01.37`	`FieldySnuts`	`~start a wm war`
`16:01.38`	`apt`	`metacity is so dreamy!`
`16:01.43`	`valdyn`	`scaver: why do you think you need one?`
`16:01.50`	`_oc`	`jethro: I believe 1035 or 1034 covers the implementation of the DNS format.. which isc follows`
`16:01.50`	`jetscreamer`	`xfs unless you specifically installed another`
`16:01.59`	`codester`	`jetscreamer: thanks , update-menu work =)`
`16:02.00`	`scaver`	`valdyn, my fonts is somewhat clumpy.`
`16:02.08`	`jethro`	`_oc: did I ask you anything?`
`16:02.15`	`valdyn`	`scaver: i doubt that that is due to lack of font server`
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`16:02.43`	`positrix`	`apt_: e17 is better`
`16:02.46`	`jetscreamer`	`scaver: don't ask me why, but fonts are different from wm to wm`
`16:03.00`	`jethro`	`positrix: apt is a bot`
`16:03.09`	`jetscreamer`	`~say hi`
`16:03.11`	`apt`	`hi`
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`16:03.37`	`valdyn`	`!fonts`
`16:03.37`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, http://www.dimensional.com/~bgiles/debian-tt.html (dead link) for TTF under Debian, and http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html and http://www.justlinux.com/bin/feature/story.pl?fid=1861565 or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html`
`16:03.45`	`_oc`	`jethro: feel of it as complementing your answer then`
`16:03.54`	`jetscreamer`	`fontdeuglification how-to on tldporg`
`16:04.01`	`b_52`	`lilo -U IS enough to remove lilo et retablish the mbr?`
`16:04.10`	`valdyn`	`scaver: if you had a more specific problem ( description ), maybe someone could help.`
`16:04.17`	`jetscreamer`	`reestablish to what`
`16:04.25`	`jethro`	`_oc: then address it to the appropriate person. I can browse the RFCs just fine. I don't need you.`
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`16:04.27`	`b_52`	`the first state`
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`16:04.42`	`_oc`	`!hostile jethro`
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`16:04.46`	`jetscreamer`	`no idea`
`16:04.53`	`_oc`	`nop`
`16:04.55`	`jetscreamer`	`uh oh look out n000bs`
`16:05.03`	`b_52`	`ok :)`
`16:05.20`	`scaver`	`valdyn, i just need my fonts more beautiful.. maybe ill just try to download the ms corefonts and add them to a FontPath.`
`16:05.20`	`bob2`	`come on`
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`16:05.36`	`bob2`	`note that no modern software cares about your FontPath anymore`
`16:05.44`	`valdyn`	`scaver: which fonts, in which programs?`
`16:05.50`	`drac`	`scaver: apt-get install msttcorefonts?`
`16:05.57`	`scaver`	`generally, my fonts isnt nice.`
`16:05.58`	`jetscreamer`	`marillat`
`16:06.04`	`valdyn`	`scaver: there is no single font solution in unix or X`
`16:06.11`	`gravity`	`Sadly`
`16:06.25`	`scaver`	`i know, but that doesnt help me either :/`
`16:06.27`	`jetscreamer`	`i've found that icewm-gnome the fonts are different looking than icewm... no idea why`
`16:06.36`	`bob2`	`gravity: sleep?`
`16:06.48`	`gravity`	`bob2: Me? Nope, already did that :-)`
`16:06.54`	`gravity`	`Building X.Org`
`16:06.57`	`gravity`	`Again`
`16:06.57`	`bob2`	`oh crap`
`16:07.11`	`valdyn`	`scaver: so as a first step you could tell us which fonts look ugly and in which application they do look ugly`
`16:07.22`	`jetscreamer`	`you can sleep when you're dead`
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`16:07.52`	`FieldySnuts`	`damn. there were 34 tornadoes in the US just yesterday`
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`16:08.14`	`valdyn`	`!ttf`
`16:08.15`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, ttf is the extension of a True Type Font, checkout freetype or ask me about truetype for location of debian howto. for truetype font support with XF4 ask me about ttf xf4, or see <msttcorefonts>, or see <bobfont>`
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`16:08.18`	`Michael`	`heel`
`16:08.20`	`Michael`	`hello`
`16:08.27`	`]]udOn[[`	`hi`
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`16:08.28`	`jetscreamer`	`!bobfont`
`16:08.28`	`dpkg`	`bobfont is probably http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt`
`16:08.47`	`]]udOn[[`	`michael is MJakson?`
`16:08.54`	`Michael`	`Yes,`
`16:08.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`How are you suppose to logout of openbox?`
`16:09.00`	`Michael`	`I need help!`
`16:09.01`	`]]udOn[[`	`!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
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`16:09.14`	`jethro`	`@annoy Michael`
`16:09.14`	`ravenbird`	`Michael: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm????`
`16:09.18`	`mwilson`	`TwistedEmotions: "logout"? Openbox is a window manager.`
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`16:09.18`	`]]udOn[[`	`i believe you`
`16:09.18`	`valdyn`	`scaver: bobfont looks like a good howto`
`16:09.26`	`Michael`	`Thank you`
`16:09.36`	`TwistedEmotions`	`mwilson: trying to switch to a difference GUI...`
`16:09.40`	`gravity`	`TwistedEmotions: Just use ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X`
`16:09.50`	`Michael`	`Thank you everyone!`
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`16:09.54`	`]]udOn[[`	`u can tutch everything you want`
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`16:10.22`	`jetscreamer`	`!touch ]]udOn[[`
`16:10.23`	`dpkg`	`This is Fendor's pleasure only`
`16:10.26`	`Michael`	`:)`
`16:10.29`	`scaver`	`valdyn, bobfont?`
`16:10.29`	`TwistedEmotions`	`no... I need to get to the login thing... where you select what windows manager you logon to..`
`16:10.39`	`valdyn`	`!tell scaver about bobfont`
`16:10.43`	`]]udOn[[`	yea i know(n`)
`16:10.48`	`jethro`	`TwistedEmotions: gdm ?`
`16:10.54`	`jetscreamer`	`gdm kdm xdm ?dm`
`16:10.54`	`scaver`	`thanks!`
`16:10.55`	`TwistedEmotions`	`jethro: yeah`
`16:11.01`	`TwistedEmotions`	`gdm`
`16:11.02`	`gravity`	`TwistedEmotions: It'll load. If openbox doesn't have a logout menu item available you're stuck with just killing it`
`16:11.10`	`]]udOn[[`	`MJ is king of pop`
`16:11.18`	`jethro`	`TwistedEmotions: I don't know how you do a clean logout of OB. I d just kill the X server`
`16:11.18`	`jetscreamer`	`you love mj`
`16:11.27`	`jethro`	`]]udOn[[: stop it please`
`16:11.27`	`]]udOn[[`	`yea`
`16:11.29`	`jetscreamer`	`mj had you over to his house when you were young`
`16:11.34`	`FieldySnuts`	`erm.`
`16:11.36`	`TwistedEmotions`	`gravity: Errrr... fuck.... because I have it set to auto-logon...`
`16:11.44`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Im screwed.`
`16:11.44`	`]]udOn[[`	`mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm`
`16:11.49`	`gravity`	`TwistedEmotions: How did you set that?`
`16:11.49`	`_oc`	`jetscreamer: is mj a priest by any chance?`
`16:11.59`	`]]udOn[[`	`me too,actually`
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`16:12.01`	`jetscreamer`	`TwistedEmotions: ctrl alt del should exit the wm, and gdm should restart`
`16:12.04`	`_oc`	`oh that mj`
`16:12.06`	`TwistedEmotions`	`gravity: just set it to autologin a user..`
`16:12.10`	`js`	`TwistedEmotions: disable it using gdm-setup then`
`16:12.13`	`jetscreamer`	`yeah that mj`
`16:12.15`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ill try ctrl alt del`
`16:12.15`	`Michael`	`I'm a fighter. I'll win.`
`16:12.16`	`TwistedEmotions`	`brb`
`16:12.19`	`gravity`	`TwistedEmotions: From gdm? Just upen up gdmsetup and change it`
`16:12.37`	`_oc`	`i wonder why the actorate haven't linked mj to the church somehow.. then they would have conclusive proof of misdeeds`
`16:12.38`	`orchid`	`kelan: hmm, hold on`
`16:12.56`	`kelan`	`ok`
`16:13.00`	`topyli`	`jetscreamer: you just rebooted TwistedEmotions's box :(`
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`16:13.09`	`jetscreamer`	`no don't think so`
`16:13.09`	`Michael`	`I'd to go now. Bye!`
`16:13.10`	`]]udOn[[`	`billie jean`
`16:13.24`	`]]udOn[[`	`by moonwalk`
`16:13.30`	`jethro`	`...`
`16:13.30`	`topyli`	`jetscreamer: ctrl-alt-del does that AFAIK`
`16:13.34`	`jetscreamer`	`!hi streuner_`
`16:13.35`	`dpkg`	`Long days and pleasant nights, sai streuner_!`
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`16:13.49`	`naddar`	`hi all`
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`16:13.55`	`Anthro`	`jetscreamer: I think you meant ctrl-alt-backspace but you told him ctrl-alt-del`
`16:13.56`	`jethro`	`jetscreamer: ctrl+alt+backspace kills the X server`
`16:13.56`	`naddar`	`how can i see my jobs`
`16:14.01`	`naddar`	`and kill a job`
`16:14.03`	`jetscreamer`	`topyli: oh yeah yolu're right, i fucked up`
`16:14.05`	`]]udOn[[`	`where r u,all,from?`
`16:14.11`	`jetscreamer`	`but i don't think it reboots in a wm`
`16:14.13`	`drasko`	`hi all. How to disable users exit some gnome application in elegan way, and still -- I am trying to set up kiosk with gnome.`
`16:14.14`	`_oc`	`albania`
`16:14.14`	`jethro`	`jetscreamer: otoh ctrl+alt+del shouldn't work in X`
`16:14.15`	`FieldySnuts`	`@u`
`16:14.15`	`ravenbird`	`Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`16:14.19`	`jetscreamer`	`lemme try since i f'd it up`
`16:14.28`	`jetscreamer`	`right jethro`
`16:14.30`	`topyli`	`jetscreamer: well, he's out of openbox at least, that's for sure :)`
`16:14.36`	`jethro`	`heh`
`16:14.38`	`]]udOn[[`	`albania?ive never heard`
`16:14.41`	`jetscreamer`	`it just calls up my logout here`
`16:14.48`	`thomas_adam`	`naddar: man ps; man kill`
`16:14.49`	`jetscreamer`	`6 buttons`
`16:14.50`	`leonel`	`SARGE !! go Sarge !! go !!!`
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`16:15.08`	`Anthro`	`naddar: Check your resume. If it's current, it will tell you what job you currently do.`
`16:15.14`	`naddar`	`anyone can tell me how i can see a list with running jobs`
`16:15.20`	`jetscreamer`	`!lart jetscreamer for confusing del key with backspace key`
`16:15.24`	`_oc`	`]]udOn[[: It's a wealthy country with lots of oil and fine looking women.`
`16:15.34`	`jethro`	`naddar: you type jobs in a shell having running jobs`
`16:15.38`	`jetscreamer`	`naddar: ps aux , top`
`16:15.42`	`naddar`	`xmule crash`
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`16:15.45`	`naddar`	`i need to kill it`
`16:15.54`	`Anthro`	`naddar: pkill xmule`
`16:15.57`	`jetscreamer`	`naddar: check out amule sometime`
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`16:15.59`	`jethro`	`naddar: jobs, then kill %n n being the job number`
`16:16.06`	`]]udOn[[`	`???????? is it in Asia?oc`
`16:16.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`thanks that worked..`
`16:16.09`	`TwistedEmotions`	`;)`
`16:16.16`	`orchid`	`kelan: whats the error?`
`16:16.17`	`naddar`	`ok thanks`
`16:16.22`	`_oc`	`]]udOn[[: It's in antarctica`
`16:16.27`	`TofH`	`HI`
`16:17.05`	`]]udOn[[`	`ok.I have to know well`
`16:18.01`	`kelan`	`orchid: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting.`
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`16:18.18`	`poncha\|work`	`strange... i have a record: "mydomain.com. IN MX 10 mail.mydomain.com.", but when resolving the domain (host -t mx), it appends the domain name after full host again (it says mail is handled by mail.mydomain.com.mydomain.com) .. why? (well i am removing domain name from there but it is still weird... "." on the end of the record should've meant that the full hostname is supplied iirc ... or am i wrong ? )`
`16:18.37`	`zOap`	`Who is the moderator of #debian?`
`16:18.51`	`gravity`	`zOap: /msg dpkg ops`
`16:18.56`	`caphuso`	`zOap: this channel isn't +m, so we don't have any moderators`
`16:18.58`	`zOap`	`gravity, thnx`
`16:19.12`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: "IN MX 10 mail" should be enough`
`16:19.15`	`naddar`	`damn i delete my trash on desktop how i can add it again there`
`16:19.38`	`]]udOn[[`	`oc,what time is it there?`
`16:20.01`	`]]udOn[[`	`where r u,all,from?`
`16:20.06`	`gravity`	`a/s/l`
`16:20.08`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: or "IN MX 10 mail.mydomain.com." you don't need the leading mydomain.com.`
`16:20.08`	`zOap`	`caphuso, ok... maybe you can answer this... Can dpkg join more than one channel?`
`16:20.18`	`caphuso`	`zOap: yes`
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`16:20.22`	`gravity`	`zOap: Yes it can`
`16:20.24`	`jethro`	`zOap: you have to ask dondelelcaro`
`16:20.32`	`poncha\|work`	`jethro, yeah thats what i am changing it to now (the zone was recreated from slave's zone after transfer, now i'm editting), but if i wanted mx to be mail.someotherdomain.com , i would put a dot on the end of hostname and that should have been sufficient right ?`
`16:20.35`	`jethro`	`I can no longer join random channels`
`16:20.52`	`]]udOn[[`	`I dont feel gravity`
`16:20.53`	`zOap`	`caphuso, ok, I'm the owner of #debian-no and I want dpkg to join... how do I do that?`
`16:21.07`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: would be "IN MX 10 mail.someotherdomain.com."`
`16:21.10`	`naddar`	`damn i delete my trash on desktop how i can add it again there`
`16:21.11`	`caphuso`	`zOap: talk to dondelelcaro, as jethro already pointed out`
`16:21.21`	`poncha\|work`	`ok thanks`
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`16:21.31`	`zOap`	`caphuso, oh, didt see that;:)`
`16:21.34`	`zOap`	`thankx`
`16:21.34`	`]]udOn[[`	`okokokokokokok`
`16:21.47`	`jetscreamer`	`you invite the bot in a private message, if that capability exists and if it's enabled.. i forget the format, look at the source`
`16:21.52`	`naddar`	`anyone can tell me how to add a icon on desktop please`
`16:22.02`	`]]udOn[[`	`feeling is meaning for modern social`
`16:22.04`	`jethro`	`]]udOn[[: stop it please. if you have a question, just ask. otherwise, don't add noise to the channel window please.`
`16:22.23`	`]]udOn[[`	`sorry`
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`16:22.42`	`]]udOn[[`	`i cant read fast`
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`16:23.57`	`crashbg`	`here is my problem: in /etc/network/interfaces i have several gateways in different networks, and route tells me i have 4 default gateways`
`16:24.03`	`jetscreamer`	`naddar: google says 'To recreate usable desktop icons, right-click on the desktop and choose "Recreate Default Icons." ' might be old, and your google-fu might suck`
`16:24.08`	`TwistedEmotions`	`lk`
`16:24.14`	`crashbg`	`so how can i define the default gw?`
`16:24.18`	`FieldySnuts`	`what a mess`
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`16:25.32`	`jethro`	`crashbg: you use the gateway keyword. I m not sure if you can set static routes in interfaces, other than default gateways`
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`16:26.05`	`w00ter`	`I am running woody, I want to install xfce4 (not in backports) but avail in sarge. Since i am very very tight for space (540 mb hd :)) I'd like to know howto install xfce4 with mimimum use of hd space`
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`16:26.25`	`Teddy`	`you could use "up route add <blah>"`
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`16:27.03`	`w00ter`	`If i change the sources.list to sarge and apt-get update upgrade i get over 100mb of packages... so I'd like to know whether apt can just install one package`
`16:27.31`	`jethro`	`crashbg: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html , see 10.6.1`
`16:27.34`	`[Granger]`	`w00ter: do you understand the concept of dependencies?`
`16:27.35`	`mwilson`	`w00ter: man apt-get`
`16:27.48`	`jetscreamer`	`w00ter: better use d-i from scratch`
`16:27.52`	`[Granger]`	`mwilson: that won't help him`
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`16:28.05`	`w00ter`	`Granger: I do`
`16:28.12`	`w00ter`	`mwilson: duh ;)`
`16:28.20`	`[Granger]`	`w00ter: then you can figure out why you need 100mb worth of packages`
`16:28.29`	`jetscreamer`	`2gb is comfy for debian`
`16:28.29`	`gravity`	`w00ter: You could use pinning I suppose`
`16:28.38`	`c0reEvil`	`hi folks, I have a question on debian with NIS`
`16:28.42`	`crashbg`	`w00ter, your old libs will be overwritten so the space will be the same`
`16:28.49`	`jethro`	`c0reEvil: /msg dpkg sicco`
`16:28.50`	`crashbg`	`only new packets will need more space`
`16:28.57`	`w00ter`	`I do, but I feel that lots of packages don't have didly to do with xfce (which is 12mb)`
`16:29.06`	`c0reEvil`	`I have +::::: in /etc/passwd`
`16:29.19`	`TwistedEmotions`	`How do you set a background image in openbox or fluxbox?`
`16:29.23`	`mwilson`	`[Granger]: It won't? Why do you say that? You'll note that what HE said was that he used the "upgrade" target. What did you expect it to do, if not present many packages for installation? Then he asked how to install ONE package. How does reading the man page not show him how to do that?`
`16:29.42`	`mwilson`	`[Granger]: In other words, I actually paid attention to what he was saying.`
`16:29.44`	`c0reEvil`	`however when I login remotely as root and change root's passwd that entry changes to +::0:0:::`
`16:30.06`	`c0reEvil`	`which I feel is not right, any thoughts?`
`16:30.19`	`Teddy`	`c0reEvil: That's all right; it won't harm anything in my experience.`
`16:30.36`	`Teddy`	`c0reEvil: I don't know why either, though.`
`16:30.44`	`[Granger]`	`mwilson: installing one package from sarge while you're on woody`
`16:30.50`	`[Granger]`	`will pull in a shitload of dependencies`
`16:30.56`	`[Granger]`	`but oh well`
`16:30.59`	`gravity`	`ahem pinning`
`16:31.12`	`jethro`	`[Granger]: you don't upgrade to sarge from woody. you dist-upgrade.`
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`16:31.35`	`jetscreamer`	`easiest way is install d-i`
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`16:31.42`	`[Granger]`	`true jetscreamer`
`16:31.43`	`jetscreamer`	`fuggit quit wasting time`
`16:31.49`	`jethro`	`oh my god`
`16:31.50`	`mwilson`	`[Granger]: It might, yes. Neither you, nor he, know what will actually be pulled in, of course, because you haven't bothered to find out, but "oh, well". <sigh?`
`16:31.52`	`gravity`	`Does d-i install woody? I thought that was broken a long time ago`
`16:31.59`	`jetscreamer`	`i didn't say woody`
`16:32.09`	`[Granger]`	`gravity: d-i installs Sarge`
`16:32.15`	`[Granger]`	`which is getting released tomorrow`
`16:32.16`	`jetscreamer`	`but it used to have that option`
`16:32.17`	`gravity`	`Well, he's on woody and wanted his one package. mwilson is right`
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`16:32.37`	`w00ter`	`Excuse me for asking, what's d-i?`
`16:32.37`	`gravity`	`Answer his question. Don't just say "Oh, use d-i! It's teh 133t!"`
`16:32.38`	`jetscreamer`	`maybe still does`
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`16:32.48`	`jetscreamer`	`sarge installer`
`16:32.50`	`jethro`	`!d-i w00ter`
`16:32.51`	`dpkg`	`w00ter, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
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`16:33.02`	`jetscreamer`	`Debian Installer`
`16:33.09`	`paulswm`	`!irritate jethro`
`16:33.10`	`dpkg`	`jethro: wenas how can I make my kanotix werkz lol`
`16:33.17`	`jethro`	`!singlishsmite paulswm`
`16:33.18`	`dpkg`	`paulswm: Why so goondu, you?`
`16:33.22`	`jethro`	`:)`
`16:33.23`	`misfitx7`	`what do i use to fdisk and format in linux?`
`16:33.29`	`jetscreamer`	`fdisk`
`16:33.31`	`jetscreamer`	`and mkfs`
`16:33.34`	`[Granger]`	`yep`
`16:33.35`	`jethro`	`misfitx7: fdisk, and mkfs.*`
`16:33.38`	`jetscreamer`	`there's also cfdisk`
`16:33.47`	`[Granger]`	`fdisk /dev/hda`
`16:33.58`	`jetscreamer`	`cfdisk is easier to comprehend for a n00b like me`
`16:34.00`	`[Granger]`	`mkfs -t reiserfs /dev/hda`
`16:34.01`	`Teddy`	`Not to mention "parted" which is analogous to partition magic.`
`16:34.12`	`[Granger]`	`Teddy: hmm`
`16:34.13`	`crashbg`	`gpartet is even better`
`16:34.14`	`jethro`	`[Granger]: you don't mkfs /dev/hda`
`16:34.18`	`[Granger]`	`I gotta check that out`
`16:34.25`	`[Granger]`	`jethro: uhh typo`
`16:34.26`	`jetscreamer`	`hda1 not hda`
`16:34.28`	`[Granger]`	`ya`
`16:34.34`	`[Granger]`	`mkfs -t reiserfs /dev/hda1`
`16:34.42`	`[Granger]`	`mkfs -t reiserfs /dev/hda<partition number here>`
`16:34.43`	`jetscreamer`	`you partition hda you make an fs on hda1`
`16:34.45`	`w00ter`	`I've tried some net-installers before. All were well.. how to put it mildly... b0rked beyond belief?`
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`16:34.50`	`crashbg`	`ups it was qtparted`
`16:34.51`	`jethro`	`[Granger]: you should know, that some people blindly cut & paste commands.`
`16:34.56`	`crashbg`	`its like partition magic :)`
`16:34.59`	`jetscreamer`	`qtparted i don't trust`
`16:35.08`	`Defty`	`How hard would it be to upgrade an existing ia32 installation to an amd64 one?`
`16:35.12`	`crashbg`	`yea but its using parted really...`
`16:35.17`	`jetscreamer`	`qtparted is a fronend to parted i believe`
`16:35.19`	`[Granger]`	`Defty: with Debian?`
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`16:35.20`	`FieldySnuts`	`Defty: you don't, you reinstall`
`16:35.30`	`[Granger]`	`the amd64 port of debian is umm`
`16:35.35`	`Defty`	`FieldySnuts: why is that? :p`
`16:35.42`	`[Granger]`	`welll.... let's just say it's experimental`
`16:35.45`	`jetscreamer`	`fucked is the word you're looking for`
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`16:35.46`	`FieldySnuts`	`i don't know. i read it earlier today, if someone has that url`
`16:35.51`	`angela`	`join me on #yeah`
`16:35.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`yeah that's what i've heard as well`
`16:35.57`	`gravity`	`Really? I've only heard good things about it in the past`
`16:35.57`	`FieldySnuts`	`@ops angela spamming`
`16:35.58`	`ravenbird`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: angela spamming`
`16:35.59`	`paulswm`	`mwilson: That's the second X crash I've heard of today, hope it isn't a pattern`
`16:36.09`	`[Granger]`	`gravity: I have yet to get it installed`
`16:36.12`	`paulswm`	`!singlishsmite angela`
`16:36.13`	`dpkg`	`angela: Why so goondu, you?`
`16:36.22`	`[Granger]`	`paulswm: no X crashes here`
`16:36.24`	`gravity`	`[Granger]: I know d-i works with it`
`16:36.31`	`paulswm`	`Not here either`
`16:36.33`	`gravity`	`I've read a zillion successful install reports for it`
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`16:36.40`	`[Granger]`	`gravity: a very broken d-i`
`16:36.44`	`mwilson`	`paulswm: Yeah, I got up this morning and found my machine crashed back to xdm.`
`16:36.46`	`FieldySnuts`	`the one big thing i've heard of is not to use it for servers`
`16:36.48`	`[Granger]`	`plus it doesn't support reiserfs yet`
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`16:37.00`	`gravity`	`[Granger]: Did you send an installation-report to debian-boot about it?`
`16:37.05`	`mwilson`	`[Granger]: How is that a bad thing?`
`16:37.07`	`gravity`	`What exactly was broken?`
`16:37.11`	`Defty`	`would it be possible to just upgrade the kernel etc package by package..`
`16:37.13`	`[Granger]`	`mwilson: because I use reiser`
`16:37.28`	`FieldySnuts`	`[Granger]: me too. best filesystem i've used in production or home (at least 3.6)`
`16:37.29`	`jethro`	`!ricerfs`
`16:37.29`	`dpkg`	`from memory, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info.`
`16:37.31`	`Xenguy`	`paulswm mwilson my IRC client segfaulted last night - some nick 'jasmuz' did a CTCP -- don't know if any of this is related to the X crashes tho`
`16:37.32`	`[Granger]`	`Defty: obviously you can rip the guts out of your system and do it manually`
`16:37.36`	`[Granger]`	`but why the hell would you?`
`16:37.39`	`jetscreamer`	`jfs >`
`16:37.44`	`paulswm`	`I've done 8 installs with d-i on 6 quite different boxes, with no problems`
`16:37.48`	`FieldySnuts`	`Defty: no. you reinstall. end of story.`
`16:37.56`	`[Granger]`	`plus the fact that manual dependency troublesorting sucks`
`16:37.59`	`Defty`	`[Granger]: well it isn't me actually installing it and the one doing it said the netinst for amd64 didn't work or something`
`16:38.02`	`[Granger]`	`and is time consuming like hell`
`16:38.04`	`jetscreamer`	`!start an fs war`
`16:38.05`	`dpkg`	`ext2fs is too slow!`
`16:38.16`	`mrphreak`	`???...`
`16:38.21`	`Defty`	`so I suggested he'd try installing ia32 and upgrading but i'm not sure anymore if it works at all`
`16:38.23`	`crashbg`	`i have installed sarge-rc3 from netinstall cd on 5 systems with no problems`
`16:38.27`	`paulswm`	`ext3 si teh winz4r`
`16:38.28`	`gravity`	`[Granger]: So you didn't report your problem with d-i?`
`16:38.29`	`FieldySnuts`	`Defty: somewhere on here is what i read, talking about how you can't upgrade you have to reinstall https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274689`
`16:38.42`	`jetscreamer`	`i've lost count of how many times i've used d-i`
`16:38.46`	`[Granger]`	`FieldySnuts: you can always upgrade`
`16:38.50`	`[Granger]`	`depends on how you do it`
`16:38.50`	`FieldySnuts`	`Defty: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274805`
`16:38.56`	`[Granger]`	`if he replaces all the libs he needs to replace`
`16:38.59`	`[Granger]`	`and the kernel`
`16:39.02`	`FieldySnuts`	`[Granger]: not from a 32 bit system to 64. go ahead and try.`
`16:39.02`	`[Granger]`	`he'll have done it`
`16:39.09`	`FieldySnuts`	`shrug. okay you know better, have fun.`
`16:39.23`	`jethro`	`smart ass day today`
`16:39.23`	`[Granger]`	`FieldySnuts: but ya, why put yourself through hell?`
`16:39.39`	`paulswm`	`jethro: Indeed!`
`16:39.42`	`jetscreamer`	`i don't have any peers to be reset by, just underlings`
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`16:40.32`	`Defty`	`:) it's nice to have a reasoning in the FAQ for why you can't do it :) although i do believe that a plain apt-get arch-upgrade wouldn't probably work if it says so`
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`16:41.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`i thought the reasoning is obvious, you're not just talking about replacing a few packages here and therre, but a whole new system layout`
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`16:41.56`	`paulswm`	`jetscreamer: hehe`
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`16:42.20`	`freecraft`	`hi, I have a problem with Motif programs, the font in menus is too large, how to fix that?`
`16:42.20`	`PaouL`	`ok how do i fix my sendmail /`
`16:42.22`	`Defty`	`true enough.. it's just that usually you hear about 32 bit code running without problems on amd64, ... but I don't know anything about they layout`
`16:42.28`	`PaouL`	`i send mail and the systems dies ;(`
`16:42.42`	`FieldySnuts`	`ask sendmail?`
`16:42.45`	`Karnaugh`	`PaouL: you remove it and use a decent MTA`
`16:42.49`	`FieldySnuts`	`amen`
`16:43.15`	`PaouL`	`Karnaugh is there a "decent mta" besides sendmail? i only need it for my php contact scripts.`
`16:43.22`	`paulswm`	`Sendmail's protecting the internet from bad writing maybe :P`
`16:43.38`	`zOap`	`freecraft, what Motif Program?`
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`16:43.45`	`Karnaugh`	`PaouL: ....`
`16:44.12`	`[Granger]`	`blegh`
`16:44.16`	`[Granger]`	`motif == ugly`
`16:44.22`	`FieldySnuts`	`sendmail is dung. consider exim or postfix`
`16:44.27`	`Karnaugh`	`gravity: he isnt??`
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`16:44.47`	`jethro`	`Karnaugh: you have to know every MTA in debian ships with a binary/link called sendmail, which is often confusing for users. they think they have sendmail indeed`
`16:44.50`	`gravity`	`Somehow I doubt it`
`16:45.06`	`jetscreamer`	`yeah the motif stuff is like too big for the screen size eh, doesn't scale?`
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`16:45.24`	`jetscreamer`	`window goes off the visible screen?`
`16:45.34`	`Karnaugh`	`jethro: I do know that, maybe they missed the exim part in the installation`
`16:45.41`	`jethro`	`PaouL: what does dpkg -l \| grep sendmail say ?`
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`16:45.55`	`jethro`	`Karnaugh: you have to explicitely install sendmail to get it on debian. exim is the default.`
`16:46.06`	`zOap`	`it's really nice to help people out when they're not responding, or what jetscreamer ?`
`16:46.10`	`Karnaugh`	`jethro: I know that`
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`16:46.26`	`steve`	`hi all`
`16:46.35`	`FieldySnuts`	`~start an mta war`
`16:46.36`	`apt`	`courier has an evil license`
`16:46.36`	`steve`	`can a hard drive light be plugged directly into the disk or does it have to go through the mainboard?`
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`16:46.48`	`Karnaugh`	`apt_: it does?`
`16:46.56`	`jethro`	`Karnaugh: so why did you tell him to get a decent MTA. you don't even know what he's using. you can just assume, based on what he said, and it looks clear he doesn't know much about what he's doing.`
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`16:47.03`	`PaouL`	`Karnaugh`
`16:47.04`	`PaouL`	`ii sendmail 8.13.4-1 powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Trans`
`16:47.04`	`PaouL`	`ii sendmail-base 8.13.4-1 powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Trans`
`16:47.04`	`PaouL`	`ii sendmail-bin 8.13.4-1 powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Trans`
`16:47.04`	`PaouL`	`ii sendmail-cf 8.13.4-1 powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Trans`
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`16:47.09`	`jethro`	`oops`
`16:47.09`	`PaouL`	`thought so ;(`
`16:47.10`	`jethro`	`I ll stfu`
`16:47.10`	`brosio`	`i geforce 6600 and an amd64 howcould i found an howto to install driver ?`
`16:47.10`	`FieldySnuts`	`speaking of not knowing what you're doing`
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`16:47.24`	`FieldySnuts`	`!irritate brosio`
`16:47.25`	`dpkg`	`brosio: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx`
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`16:47.34`	`jethro`	`!lart me`
`16:47.37`	`makki`	`p2-mate: hi`
`16:47.41`	`FieldySnuts`	`self lart, nice`
`16:47.47`	`Karnaugh`	`jethro: well he did say "sendmail" i didnt assume he was a complete idiot right away`
`16:47.48`	`jethro`	`I deserved it`
`16:47.51`	`Karnaugh`	`:P`
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`16:48.03`	`freecraft`	`zOap: hey, sorry I am late, well I use Nedit and fonts are too large :P How can I fix that? Is there some motif config file?`
`16:48.13`	`Karnaugh`	`Intarweb Face Stab!@#`
`16:48.20`	`mwilson`	`Motif apps use X resources.`
`16:48.26`	`paulswm`	`!singlishsmite jethro`
`16:48.26`	`dpkg`	`jethro: Say some more, lah! Like I care!`
`16:48.30`	`Karnaugh`	`ok, back to doing stuff`
`16:48.31`	`zOap`	`freecraft, I think jetscreamer has some answers for you maybe`
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`16:48.37`	`FieldySnuts`	`okay i have to ask, what the heck is singlish`
`16:48.52`	`paulswm`	`FieldySnuts: Singapore English`
`16:48.58`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh`
`16:49.10`	`brosio`	`i geforce 6600 and an cpu amd64 howcould i found an howto to install driver ?`
`16:49.13`	`Karnaugh`	`is thare a Spanglish smite?`
`16:49.17`	`jetscreamer`	`no i don't, i was confirming that i have the same problem (if this stuff i'm thinking of is actually motif)`
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`16:49.21`	`jetscreamer`	`!es`
`16:49.21`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
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`16:49.39`	`paulswm`	`FieldySnuts: I remember a similar dialect from my childhood in Malaya, and so I made the smite with much help and good advice from the phamous Phated`
`16:49.42`	`sanxiyn`	`!cabal`
`16:49.42`	`dpkg`	`There IS a cabal, you just don't know about it ;)`
`16:49.48`	`shingouz`	`Karnaugh: if you have some good ideas on it...`
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`16:49.53`	`FieldySnuts`	`!any ideas`
`16:49.54`	`dpkg`	`Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 three-legged bunnies. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours!`
`16:49.57`	`jetscreamer`	`brosio: #nvidia if you want the nvidia.run`
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`16:50.13`	`sanxiyn`	`http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg00331.html (Now we know about the cabal!)`
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`16:50.27`	`TiTi_WiFi`	`gkrellm`
`16:50.48`	`shingouz`	`TiTi_WiFi: no, this is debian :)`
`16:50.55`	`zOap`	`true`
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`16:51.26`	`freecraft`	`jetscreamer, well, what do you think, is there a way to lower the size of those fonts? I know when I used redhat9 that fonts were nice looking .`
`16:51.44`	`jetscreamer`	`no i don't, i was confirming that i have the same problem (if this stuff i'm thinking of is actually motif)`
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`16:51.53`	`Karnaugh`	`I think debian needs a face lift`
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`16:51.58`	`FieldySnuts`	`apt_: start a widget war`
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`16:52.01`	`sanxiyn`	`Karnaugh: How?`
`16:52.03`	`FieldySnuts`	`or, don't`
`16:52.04`	`Karnaugh`	`for a start, the website sucks`
`16:52.06`	`gravity`	`"a face lift"? What does that mean?`
`16:52.07`	`brosio`	`jetscreamer, or ?`
`16:52.10`	`sanxiyn`	`Karnaugh: How?`
`16:52.11`	`gravity`	`Karnaugh: Feel free to revamp it`
`16:52.12`	`Karnaugh`	`the logo should be 3D`
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`16:52.19`	`gravity`	`Or not`
`16:52.19`	`sanxiyn`	`Karnaugh: Haha`
`16:52.22`	`jetscreamer`	`brosio: the nvidia-glx.deb is...`
`16:52.23`	`_joey`	`debian has no face , it can only smell`
`16:52.25`	`jetscreamer`	`!nvidia`
`16:52.25`	`dpkg`	`i heard nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists`
`16:52.26`	`Karnaugh`	`also, they should roll out new "stable" versions ever month`
`16:52.27`	`ScarT`	`Why cant i connect to the internet after i have installed with minimalcd`
`16:52.28`	`FieldySnuts`	`Karnaugh: constructive critisizm is one thing. but you're bordering on insulting.`
`16:52.33`	`FieldySnuts`	`Karnaugh: HAHAAAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA`
`16:52.39`	`brosio`	`jetscreamer, is only for 2.4`
`16:52.41`	`FieldySnuts`	`get outta here, you don't know a damn thing about debian.`
`16:52.42`	`brosio`	`i have 2.6`
`16:52.42`	`gravity`	`The site does need reorganization and re-factoring, but no one has stepped up to do it. It's a big job.`
`16:52.51`	`jetscreamer`	`!tell brosio about nvidia-howto`
`16:52.53`	`Karnaugh`	`!dict devils cynic`
`16:52.54`	`dpkg`	`could not find definition for devils cynic`
`16:52.57`	`sanxiyn`	`"the logo should be 3D" <- great`
`16:53.01`	`jethro`	`Karnaugh: you're kidding, right?`
`16:53.01`	`Karnaugh`	`damn ;)`
`16:53.03`	`FieldySnuts`	`i like its simple look. i can find what i need. looks are secondary to content.`
`16:53.04`	`Karnaugh`	`jethro: yes`
`16:53.08`	`jethro`	`:)`
`16:53.12`	`gravity`	`The logo thing was funny though :-)`
`16:53.24`	`jethro`	`the whole www.debian.org should be vrml`
`16:53.25`	`paulswm`	`Karnaugh: You could always volunteer to help, I mean that's how it all gets done.`
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`16:53.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`jethro: i was just thinking that heh`
`16:53.35`	`jethro`	`:)`
`16:53.37`	`shingouz`	`Karnaugh: maybe some flash and jave for the navigation too while you're at it?`
`16:53.39`	`zOap`	`Karnaugh, it's not funny you know`
`16:53.42`	`sanxiyn`	`paulswm: But there is cabal? :-)`
`16:53.44`	`FieldySnuts`	`ack`
`16:53.44`	`gravity`	`In all seriousness, the site could use work if someone is dedicated :-)`
`16:53.54`	`jethro`	`!Karnaugh++`
`16:53.56`	`jethro`	`I laughed`
`16:53.57`	`jetscreamer`	`can we move debian.org to .NET ?`
`16:53.57`	`Karnaugh`	`paulswm: nah, I just do my Python dev and submit bug reports about apache`
`16:54.10`	`sanxiyn`	`I think Debian website is using WML?`
`16:54.35`	`jethro`	`sanxiyn: debian has no wap support yet`
`16:54.36`	`powerson_`	`hi all`
`16:54.46`	`jetscreamer`	`what i wanna do is figure out the docbook stuff for webpages`
`16:54.47`	`sanxiyn`	`jethro: No, I mean Website META Language.`
`16:54.51`	`sanxiyn`	`!info wml`
`16:54.58`	`dpkg`	`wml: (off-line HTML generation toolkit), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.8-11 (sid), Packaged size: 516 kB, Installed size: 1400 kB`
`16:55.14`	`zOap`	`!info php`
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`16:55.31`	`jetscreamer`	`z0ap more like php-4 or so`
`16:55.33`	`jethro`	`this sucks. they all keep on using the same acronyms.`
`16:55.36`	`zOap`	`lol`
`16:55.38`	`paulswm`	`Karnaugh: just an aside, I need to learn some Python and RUby in order to help with a comparative evaluation, which to start with and do you have an opinion?`
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`16:55.39`	`sanxiyn`	`jethro: My understanding is that Debian website is all generated off-line.`
`16:55.43`	`XTF`	`Hi. Are there utilities in Debian to act like a TCP source and sink (for network testing)?`
`16:55.53`	`_joey`	`ruby`
`16:55.55`	`jethro`	`sanxiyn: ENOCLE`
`16:55.56`	`jetscreamer`	`yes in the kernel iirc,`
`16:55.57`	`jethro`	`sanxiyn: ENOCLUE`
`16:55.58`	`sanxiyn`	`paulswm: I recommend Python.`
`16:56.01`	`thomas_adam`	`Ruby rocks, yep.`
`16:56.07`	`sanxiyn`	`But I am a Python fanatic :-)`
`16:56.14`	`gravity`	`Ruby is wonderful`
`16:56.18`	`sanxiyn`	`Ruby is nothing compared to Python!!`
`16:56.18`	`jetscreamer`	`XTF: i know nothing but i 'think' there's a kernel module for what you want`
`16:56.19`	`sanxiyn`	`:-)`
`16:56.25`	`Karnaugh`	`paulswm: I have not actualy touched Ruby - Python's terrible 'whitespace' syntax generaly is the subject of much crit, but IMHO it keeps code looking sane`
`16:56.26`	`gravity`	`Python is a great language. Very respectable, but Ruby is love.`
`16:56.28`	`p2-mate`	`hi makki`
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`16:56.33`	`paulswm`	`Well I need to learn both, was really wondering if there is benefit to learning them in a particular order`
`16:56.38`	`_joey`	`Karnaugh :)`
`16:56.44`	`Karnaugh`	`paulswm: also its got the best data structures i've ever used`
`16:56.44`	`powerson_`	`what is mean lol?`
`16:56.47`	`_joey`	`Karnaugh it's COBOL like`
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`16:56.49`	`_joey`	`haha`
`16:56.50`	`gravity`	`Ruby always looks nice simply because people write it sanely`
`16:56.51`	`jethro`	`!lol`
`16:56.51`	`dpkg`	`lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg`
`16:56.53`	`jetscreamer`	`!lol`
`16:56.57`	`ScarT`	`how do i fix my Ethernet connection?`
`16:56.57`	`jethro`	`beat you`
`16:57.09`	`Karnaugh`	`my colegues claim that Ruby is "eew"`
`16:57.15`	`thomas_adam`	`Pffft.`
`16:57.17`	`thomas_adam`	`They know shit.`
`16:57.17`	`gravity`	`paulswm: Just try both. I played with python for a month before going to ruby. I never quite wrapped my head around python but ruby just felt right to me`
`16:57.20`	`ScarT`	`how do i fix my Ethernet connection?`
`16:57.20`	`paulswm`	`Thanks guys, much appreciated, sorry about the kind of poll.`
`16:57.22`	`powerson_`	`dpkg// thanks~`
`16:57.24`	`sanxiyn`	`paulswm: Well, learn Python last. Once you learn it, you won't leave. :-)`
`16:57.24`	`XTF`	`jetscreamer: a kernel module doesn't sound right.`
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`16:57.51`	`sanxiyn`	`(But YMMV, of course.)`
`16:57.54`	`Karnaugh`	`sanxiyn++ :)`
`16:58.05`	`_joey`	`among open source programming languages, Ruby has the most elegant syntax imho`
`16:58.11`	`jetscreamer`	`XTF: http://www.google.com/linux?q=TCP+source+and+sink&restrict=linux`
`16:58.11`	`sanxiyn`	`Perhaps.`
`16:58.14`	`_joey`	`well, of all those I've seen`
`16:58.18`	`ScarT`	`HOW DO I REFIX MY INTERNET SETTINGS`
`16:58.28`	`Karnaugh`	`I sufferd the pain of C on Palm OS for a year before i quite development and then learnt Python`
`16:58.31`	`thomas_adam`	`ScarT: Turnoff your caps lock key.`
`16:58.31`	`freecraft`	`python >>> ruby`
`16:58.35`	`jetscreamer`	`ScarT: what you say? good morining gentlemen`
`16:58.50`	`ScarT`	`How do i refix my internet settings`
`16:58.57`	`Karnaugh`	`gravity: why drive a volvo when you already own a porsche ;)`
`16:59.02`	`_joey`	`Perl6 has barrowed many syntax features from Ruby`
`16:59.03`	`thomas_adam`	`ScarT: What's wrong with them?`
`16:59.07`	`_joey`	`and Java too :)`
`16:59.07`	`jetscreamer`	`ScarT: what's wrong with them... jinx`
`16:59.07`	`shingouz`	`ScarT: how about stop repeating and yelling. tell us what the problem is and try not to be that vague`
`16:59.11`	`ScarT`	`it cant connect`
`16:59.17`	`sanxiyn`	`How do you pronounce palatovelar-semivowel?`
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`16:59.22`	`jetscreamer`	`why can't it connect`
`16:59.25`	`ScarT`	`im trying to install via network but it refuses`
`16:59.28`	`jethro`	`!vaguenesssmite ScarT`
`16:59.37`	`gravity`	`Karnaugh: That kind of ignorance will get you nowhere`
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`16:59.58`	`shingouz`	`ScarT: does the installer see the nic in the first place?`
`17:00.01`	`_joey`	`Haskell ?`
`17:00.05`	`sanxiyn`	`gravity: Good for you.`
`17:00.07`	`_joey`	`another elegant programming lang`
`17:00.14`	`Karnaugh`	`gravity: being sarcastic, I'm tempted to try Ruby with all this noise about Ruby-On-Rails`
`17:00.15`	`gravity`	`People seem to love haskell. I can't do the functional thing`
`17:00.17`	`jethro`	`come on guys, #debian ain't a good place for programming languages wars`
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`17:00.19`	`ScarT`	`shingouz`
`17:00.20`	`ScarT`	`pm`
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`17:00.27`	`sanxiyn`	`Common Lisp is also good, but a little hard to start programming something practical.`
`17:00.30`	`jetscreamer`	`ScarT: ask to msg`
`17:00.30`	`gravity`	`Karnaugh: Rails is amazing. I used ruby before that, but there's nothing like Rails out there`
`17:00.36`	`shingouz`	`ScarT: do not pm me. ever.`
`17:00.40`	`Karnaugh`	`gravity: what about Nevow?`
`17:00.41`	`sanxiyn`	`(Not that libraries are there, but it may be a bit hard to find.)`
`17:00.50`	`_joey`	`gravity off all languages we started with Haskell in 1st, first semester CS course in Uni`
`17:00.51`	`ScarT`	`jetscreamer plz can u help me via pm`
`17:00.52`	`gravity`	`Karnaugh: And Rails wouldn't be possible if it weren't for Ruby and the way Ruby is structured`
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`17:01.09`	`sanxiyn`	`gravity: I don't think so, but you can have your opinion. :-)`
`17:01.12`	`gravity`	`Karnaugh: Nevow? Don't know that one. I can't keep track of all the "new Rails but better!" clones that popped up`
`17:01.18`	`*** join/#debian goron (~ron@zonnebloem.demon.nl)`
`17:01.19`	`jetscreamer`	`ScarT: no because it's better for >1 people to help`
`17:01.25`	`ScarT`	`yes`
`17:01.27`	`ScarT`	`ur the one`
`17:01.28`	`jetscreamer`	`plus that would obligate me :/`
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`17:01.35`	`ScarT`	`jetscreamer plz`
`17:01.36`	`jethro`	`!aolify ScarT`
`17:01.38`	`*** part/#debian goron (~ron@zonnebloem.demon.nl)`
`17:01.40`	`paulswm`	`Heh, you kids, when I was studying, it was Ferranti Usercode and FORTRAN was the dog's bollocks :P`
`17:01.41`	`ScarT`	`i really need help`
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`17:02.01`	`Karnaugh`	`gravity: http://www.karnaugh.za.net/show?id=82`
`17:02.06`	`shingouz`	`ScarT: stop whining and help us help you. does the installer see the nic?`
`17:02.16`	`Karnaugh`	`(www.divmod.org for nevow site)`
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`17:02.20`	`ScarT`	`what do you mean shingouz`
`17:02.25`	`ScarT`	`i have logged in to root`
`17:02.30`	`jethro`	`ScarT: would you mind typing in a decent way? things like "plz", "u" and so on are not appreciated on #debian. don't sound like you're 12 years old on AIM.`
`17:02.41`	`shingouz`	`ScarT: do you have the system installed then?`
`17:02.59`	`jetscreamer`	`i 'think' he's trying to install`
`17:03.07`	`gravity`	`Karnaugh: What is this? It doesn't look like it connects to a db backend`
`17:03.08`	`_joey`	`paulswm wow, it's good to see older folks using linux :)`
`17:03.11`	`gravity`	`Karnaugh: Plus... XML... ew`
`17:03.16`	`ScarT`	`Shingouz i burned the minimalcd to install via network,but when itry to connect to a ftp or http it refuses`
`17:03.21`	`_joey`	`or computers for that matter :()`
`17:03.22`	`shingouz`	`jetscreamer: no. you think he is 'trying' te install ;)`
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`17:03.31`	`jetscreamer`	`ah`
`17:03.42`	`Karnaugh`	`gravity: you can connect it to a db backend, thats what atop is.. or whatever you want`
`17:03.59`	`gravity`	`Karnaugh: The beauty of rails is how the whole stack behaves as a single unit`
`17:04.01`	`sanxiyn`	`Karnaugh: Twisted is underdocumented.`
`17:04.05`	`paulswm`	`_joey: I'll smack you with my cane, I've been using Unix for 20+ years and debian since slink :)`
`17:04.15`	`jetscreamer`	`ScarT: what you need to know is what nic/chipset and does d-i support it (imo)`
`17:04.16`	`freecraft`	`a programming question: what is better, kdbg or ddd ?`
`17:04.16`	`Karnaugh`	`sanxiyn: yea :/ but I'm trying to change that`
`17:04.17`	`sanxiyn`	`Karnaugh: No doubt there code is super excellent, but documentation is problem.`
`17:04.23`	`sanxiyn`	`s/there/their/`
`17:04.26`	`shingouz`	`ScarT: i am not familiar with that install but does the thing even see your nic is the question`
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`17:04.30`	`gravity`	`Karnaugh: From db all the way up. Plus it's got the MVC design from the beginning which just seems to work well`
`17:04.40`	`sanxiyn`	`gravity: Twisted has everything, really.`
`17:04.50`	`sanxiyn`	`gravity: From DNS server to IMAP client.`
`17:04.57`	`jetscreamer`	`/join #debian-coders`
`17:05.01`	`jetscreamer`	`:)`
`17:05.08`	`XTF`	`When Sarge is released, will testing be unfrozen immediately?`
`17:05.09`	`ScarT`	`The ethernet card is in the motherboard and the motherboard is SIS`
`17:05.13`	`_joey`	`paulswm wow, you must've seen all these network protocols developed on unix`
`17:05.19`	`Karnaugh`	`jetscreamer: good idea :)`
`17:05.23`	`_joey`	`ftp is younger than years imho`
`17:05.26`	`_joey`	`20`
`17:05.28`	`Truehart`	`I just left the world of Windows in favor of Linspire. Good choice? I am not a computer expert and use of the "command line" is not my best option. What do you think?`
`17:05.29`	`jetscreamer`	`ScarT: that would make it an sis900 module`
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`17:05.36`	`tarzeau`	`XTF: probably`
`17:05.39`	`gravity`	`sanxiyn: I've never used twisted, but I honestly think that if it was a great solution it would be getting the hype that rails has been getting`
`17:05.42`	`jetscreamer`	`ScarT: it 'should' find that nic easily`
`17:05.49`	`gravity`	`sanxiyn: twisted has been around for ages. Rails is less than a year old`
`17:05.52`	`tarzeau`	`Truehart: no. #debian is the better choice`
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`17:05.57`	`ScarT`	`jetscreamer yes but how do i do so it can find it`
`17:06.03`	`*** join/#debian goron (~ron@zonnebloem.demon.nl)`
`17:06.03`	`jetscreamer`	`linspire costs money doesn't it`
`17:06.08`	`sanxiyn`	`gravity: Well, as I said, it's underdocumented. It's the only problem it got.`
`17:06.08`	`FieldySnuts`	`yep`
`17:06.13`	`sanxiyn`	`:-)`
`17:06.14`	`_joey`	`paulswm back then internet wasn't widespread so there was little use and information for it :)`
`17:06.17`	`gravity`	`Ah`
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`17:06.22`	`tarzeau`	`i sell debian cds for $1.000`
`17:06.28`	`sanxiyn`	`tarzeau: Oh.`
`17:06.34`	`goron`	`Can somebody tell me whether Windows XP really sucks that much, that you can't have multiple-gui sessions at one time.`
`17:06.34`	`jetscreamer`	`ScarT: you can 'try' shelling out (alt+f2 or so) then typing modprobe sis900, then go back (alt+f1)`
`17:06.36`	`Karnaugh`	`tarzeau: terrorist!`
`17:06.44`	`FieldySnuts`	`goron: how should we know? asking the wrong channel`
`17:06.59`	`tarzeau`	`goron: yes it really sucks`
`17:07.02`	`goron`	`FieldySnuts: Well, I connect from it via a *nix box.`
`17:07.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`it's not a true multi-user OS, go figure`
`17:07.07`	`jetscreamer`	`all microsoft os's suck in the default config`
`17:07.20`	`XTF`	`Is there any config in which they don't suck?`
`17:07.20`	`_joey`	`Has anyone seen/used this box ? http://www.dream-multimedia.com.au/dm7020.php`
`17:07.27`	`tarzeau`	`jetscreamer: microsoft software sucks, and hardware too`
`17:07.27`	`jetscreamer`	`sure, the one i make`
`17:07.30`	`goron`	`FieldySnuts: What channel should I ask?`
`17:07.30`	`tarzeau`	`jetscreamer: not just their os`
`17:07.35`	`shingouz`	`jetscreamer: they all suck, default config or not imho`
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`17:07.39`	`Karnaugh`	`someone call Michael Moore, tarzeau sells OS for money`
`17:07.41`	`sanxiyn`	`(Too bad Twisted (currently) is missing good SNMP part.)`
`17:07.43`	`defkewl`	`how do I update sarge to kernel 2.6?`
`17:07.48`	`Truehart`	`the standard MS configuration is not DEfault it is MYfault.`
`17:07.55`	`goron`	`tarzeau: There's one product I like from them. But it's not a product yet :D`
`17:07.57`	`tarzeau`	`Karnaugh: i sell Free Software, not open source shit`
`17:07.59`	`freecraft`	`xp is the best os on world (spam spam spam :D )`
`17:07.59`	`FieldySnuts`	`great. can we not talk about MS here? maybe in another channel?`
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`17:08.00`	`jetscreamer`	`tarzeau: actually, ms hardware used to rock... ms home mouse... this was back in w95 days though`
`17:08.02`	`ScarT`	`jetscreamer then how do i test the connection?`
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`17:08.18`	`jetscreamer`	`ScarT: try ping maybe`
`17:08.18`	`Karnaugh`	`defkewl: get the kernel 2.6 source package and build a dpkg?`
`17:08.22`	`CompWizrd`	`goron: terminal services lets you have multiple gui's, and thinsoft has a package that lets you run multiple copies of windows on the same system.. even under windows 98`
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`17:08.35`	`sanxiyn`	`Anyone tried Fedora Directory Server?`
`17:08.39`	`sanxiyn`	`(That thing Redhat opened?)`
`17:08.44`	`Karnaugh`	`!Fedora`
`17:08.45`	`dpkg`	`somebody said fedora was Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information`
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`17:08.58`	`jethro`	`sanxiyn: it's basically NDS with another name`
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`17:09.01`	`sanxiyn`	`http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/`
`17:09.08`	`sanxiyn`	`jethro: I know.`
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`17:09.43`	`Karnaugh`	`why is it that when I hear the words "Fedora" that my bile duct starts increasing in activity`
`17:09.44`	`goron`	`CompWizrd: And a Free alternative?`
`17:09.48`	`_joey`	`Is the date for sarge release known ?`
`17:10.02`	`shingouz`	`_joey: /topic`
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`17:10.09`	`_joey`	`Soon, I will start dreaming about it`
`17:10.10`	`_joey`	`:)`
`17:10.18`	`kelan`	`what could be the problem if i can't request fonts by the xfs name of "Font Name:pixelsize=11" but have to use the old style '-foundry-face-blah-blah---*-skippitydo-charset'? do i have something misconfigured?`
`17:10.23`	`paulswm`	`_joey: Actually, in 1984/1985 I was working in Unix on an Altos mini, no networking, all terminals wired to serial ports :)`
`17:10.37`	`CompWizrd`	`goron: in windows? nothing that i know of`
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`17:10.55`	`goron`	`CompWizrd: yeah. Thanks.`
`17:10.55`	`mwe`	`does anyone know how to change the menu font in xchat? It's really tiny here`
`17:10.57`	`Karnaugh`	`right, that was my #debian activity for the week, you've been a great audience`
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`17:11.13`	`shingouz`	`Karnaugh: hehe`
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`17:11.24`	`sanxiyn`	`mwe: gtkrc`
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`17:11.43`	`gpm`	`mwe: either with the gnome font manager or with gtk-theme-switch, depending on whether or not (respectively) you are using gnome`
`17:12.08`	`paulswm`	`mwe: psettings, preferences, interface, text box, font`
`17:12.18`	`freecraft`	`ok because we haven't fixed this motif topic, can somebody direct me somewhere where I can find out the solution? i am linux newbie so I can't help myself :P`
`17:12.24`	`gpm`	`paulswm: huh?`
`17:12.33`	`mwe`	`paulswm: that doesn't change the menu font`
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`17:12.40`	`Jeffreyf`	`What is the best solution for setting up LAMPP and getting it to work the FIRST TIME?`
`17:12.50`	`gpm`	`mwe: i think i gave you the answer.`
`17:12.55`	`w00ter`	`If I wanted to run X with a minimal desktop, is there something else than XFCE ?`
`17:13.06`	`kelan`	`Jeffreyf: to know what you're doing`
`17:13.09`	`mwe`	`gpm yeah thanks`
`17:13.10`	`gpm`	`w00ter: yes. apt-cache search window manager`
`17:13.11`	`jetscreamer`	`icewm`
`17:13.12`	`sanxiyn`	`Jeffreyf: LAMPP?`
`17:13.13`	`shingouz`	`w00ter: blackbox and the rest of the boxen`
`17:13.15`	`paulswm`	`mwe: Oh, sorry, my mistake, I'll actually read your question next time :)`
`17:13.20`	`sanxiyn`	`w00ter: icewm`
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`17:13.32`	`Jeffreyf`	`Linux with Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl`
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`17:13.47`	`w00ter`	`gpm using the that doesn't help me much. I want opinions.`
`17:13.50`	`paulswm`	`gpm: Yeah, my screwup`
`17:13.52`	`sanxiyn`	`Jeffreyf: Get Debian, apt-get install apache php4 mysql-server`
`17:14.00`	`gpm`	`w00ter: i like blackbox and fluxbox`
`17:14.01`	`w00ter`	`Thanks, I'll try icewm`
`17:14.02`	`sanxiyn`	`Jeffreyf: Should work roughly out of the box.`
`17:14.14`	`gpm`	`w00ter: and if you want to go really minimalist, i liked evilwm`
`17:14.17`	`jetscreamer`	`icewm-gnome gives better font`
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`17:14.26`	`w00ter`	`I'll try both of them`
`17:14.29`	`jetscreamer`	`than icewm`
`17:14.38`	`gpm`	`windowmaker`
`17:14.39`	`w00ter`	`jetscreamer: but will it use gnome libs?`
`17:14.40`	`jetscreamer`	`which is weird to me`
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`17:14.40`	`alys`	`w00ter:icewm looks very much like that desktop from Redmond - be warned! ;-)`
`17:14.42`	`gpm`	`is awesome`
`17:14.43`	`sanxiyn`	`Some thinks ion is great.`
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`17:14.54`	`jetscreamer`	`w00ter it pulls in a few, not many`
`17:15.02`	`halfchair`	`About a half-hour ago, I removed kdm, and since then, X has gone to high-hell`
`17:15.05`	`bauerbob`	`hi`
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`17:15.12`	`jethro`	`there's only one decent WM once you've tried DR17`
`17:15.15`	`jetscreamer`	`halfchair: you missed :)`
`17:15.16`	`gpm`	`halfchair: define high hell`
`17:15.35`	`jetscreamer`	`halfchair: use dselect`
`17:15.38`	`sanxiyn`	`!start window manager war`
`17:15.45`	`bauerbob`	`my problem: since upgrading woody to sarge the tftp server on the machine stops after 2700 packets have been transmitted`
`17:15.50`	`paulswm`	`!start a wm war`
`17:15.51`	`dpkg`	`fvwm95 blows!`
`17:15.52`	`jethro`	`sanxiyn: it's wm war not window manager war :)`
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`17:16.02`	`sanxiyn`	`!start wm war`
`17:16.03`	`jetscreamer`	`better`
`17:16.07`	`sanxiyn`	`!start a wm war`
`17:16.07`	`dpkg`	`blackbox blows!`
`17:16.11`	`sanxiyn`	`Hm.`
`17:16.13`	`Jeffreyf`	`sanxiyn: Thanks!`
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`17:16.45`	`w00ter`	`Ill have a go at installing any of those wms :)`
`17:16.52`	`w00ter`	`Catch you all later :P`
`17:17.01`	`paulswm`	`see ya`
`17:17.22`	`gpm`	`w00ter: have fun`
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`17:18.13`	`halfchair`	`startx kicks off by saying: _XSERVTransSocketOpen: socket () failed for local`
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`17:19.15`	`jetscreamer`	`seriously, use dselect, go to the kde section, highlight the header that says kde, hit _`
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`17:19.24`	`Knight_Lord`	`Does anyone knows a program to convert Nero .bin archives in .iso images?`
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`17:19.28`	`jetscreamer`	`section-header`
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`17:19.37`	`jethro`	`Knight_Lord: the burn the .bin`
`17:19.55`	`Knight_Lord`	`jethro without burning`
`17:19.55`	`bwlang`	`we've decided to host collaboration web sites for some of our customers... i'm considering plone, simple DAV file hosting, and various wiki flavors... anyboy have experience/suggestion?`
`17:19.56`	`jetscreamer`	`Knight_Lord: i've seen a program with that functionality but i don't remember which... think it was a burning program`
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`17:20.13`	`jethro`	`Knight_Lord: you want to mount it as a loop device?`
`17:20.22`	`Knight_Lord`	`yup`
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`17:21.06`	`mwe`	`gpm thanks for the tip. The menus look great now :)`
`17:21.06`	`shingouz`	`Knight_Lord: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /device /mountpoint?`
`17:21.15`	`gpm`	`Knight_Lord: mount -o loop -t <whatever> /image/to/mount /mountpoint?`
`17:21.23`	`gpm`	`mwe: np`
`17:21.24`	`shingouz`	`s/device/file`
`17:22.04`	`defkewl`	`Karnaugh: can I do this via synaptic?`
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`17:22.11`	`gpm`	`i came in after it was said that it was iso9660`
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`17:22.37`	`Knight_Lord`	`shingouz, gpm my questino is not how to mount an iso image but how to convert a .bin file to .iso`
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`17:22.58`	`gpm`	`Knight_Lord: ooh. i've done that before. the answer is out there on google.`
`17:23.08`	`Knight_Lord`	`i'm looking`
`17:23.09`	`Jeffreyf`	`funny question: how do I cure myself of M$?? looking for solutions.`
`17:23.12`	`gpm`	`of course i can't remember it right now`
`17:23.13`	`gpm`	`one sec`
`17:23.19`	`shingouz`	`Knight_Lord: i am not sure how to do it, cant you just mount it as loop and make an iso of it with mkisofs?`
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`17:23.35`	`Knight_Lord`	`shingouz .bin are not iso9660`
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`17:23.38`	`Cham_`	`anyone know what this could be about?`
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`17:24.14`	`Cham_`	`yesterday i left my pc on for the night... when i got back, the clock was stopped at 10:55 and nothing worked except the mouse`
`17:24.23`	`gpm`	`Knight_Lord: http://he.fi/bchunk/`
`17:24.28`	`shingouz`	`Knight_Lord: ok, i better shut up in that case. in anycase i should be starting on this "mminor" translation thingie i have to do before tuesday`
`17:24.50`	`Cham_`	`same happened just now when i was browsing the web, my comp just froze`
`17:24.57`	`gpm`	`Knight_Lord: or apt-get install binchunker`
`17:25.05`	`gpm`	`Knight_Lord: or apt-get install bchunk`
`17:25.12`	`gpm`	`(my bad)`
`17:25.23`	`Knight_Lord`	`gpm Thanks a lot :-)`
`17:25.36`	`gpm`	`Knight_Lord: hope it's what you're looking for.`
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`17:26.05`	`tavo`	`hi`
`17:26.15`	`pwned`	`Cham_: sounds like a hardware problem. weak cpu fans, bad ram, but then, there is also the possibility of software problem, since undefined behaviors can theoretically do anything to the computer.`
`17:26.20`	`tavo`	`hello`
`17:26.20`	`Knight_Lord`	`gpm It's right on the spot`
`17:27.21`	`tavo`	`hiiiiiiiiiii`
`17:27.24`	`tavo`	`heeeeeeeeeeeeeello`
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`17:27.43`	`tavo`	`contestar de una vez`
`17:27.48`	`jethro`	`!es`
`17:27.49`	`anthony__`	`how do i stop a module from loading at boot, such as agpgart?`
`17:27.49`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`17:28.01`	`gravity`	`not again...`
`17:28.10`	`jethro`	`you remeber him as well? :)`
`17:28.13`	`gravity`	`Yeah`
`17:28.17`	`jethro`	`s/meb/memb/`
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`17:28.48`	`tavo`	`david`
`17:29.07`	`Cham_`	`well but what was weird, was that i could move my mouse... nothing else worked`
`17:29.16`	`tavo`	`iros a la mierda`
`17:29.32`	`gravity`	`Wow. Your insults astound me.`
`17:29.36`	`geemark`	`is it possible to make Xfce behave nicely when using NVidia Twinview? the taskbar spans only one screen, but the window manager reserves space on the top of the other screen as well, leaving some space unused (likewise at the bottom where the Xfce panel is placed)`
`17:29.45`	`kelan`	`whats the command to merge your Xresources file back into your prefs?`
`17:29.46`	`jethro`	`!ops tavo is being stupid, insulting, and all of that in spanish`
`17:29.46`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: tavo is being stupid, insulting, and all of that in spanish`
`17:30.04`	`gravity`	`Well, I was just going to throw on an /ignore, but ok...`
`17:30.10`	`*** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ`
`17:30.16`	`*** mode/#debian [+q tavo!@] by caphuso`
`17:30.18`	`*** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso`
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`17:30.23`	`jethro`	`thank you caphuso`
`17:30.24`	`gravity`	`caphuso: Thanks`
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`17:32.29`	`jethro`	`bless is back! shall we get more spamming for his pointless tool ?`
`17:33.06`	`cinix`	`yes`
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`17:36.41`	`BleSS`	`I'm building a data base about graphic cards and its modules, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to priv. mess.) thx`
`17:36.50`	`jethro`	`BleSS: enough!`
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`17:37.08`	`jethro`	`BleSS: an op asked you to stop earlier today. please stop now.`
`17:37.12`	`paulswm`	`BleSS: Stop doing that.`
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`17:37.17`	`BleSS`	`jethro, ok`
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`17:37.25`	`pissed`	`where is a good place to buy cheap entry level servers?`
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`17:37.39`	`pissed`	`all I can seem to find is dells`
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`17:38.22`	`BleSS`	`jethro, sorry but this has been the only way of get all data, i have enought :) thx`
`17:38.33`	`poncha\|work`	`is there a way to purge config files/init scripts/etc by apt/dpkg after the package itself has been removed? (i mean not to go dig for them manually)`
`17:38.42`	`jethro`	`!confuse BleSS`
`17:38.43`	`dpkg`	`Yes, those was your pants yesterday, BleSS? pants of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra cheese`
`17:38.48`	`shingouz`	`pissed: have you googled already? there should be a bunch of such places around unless you want to have a brand name like compaq or ibm.`
`17:39.07`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: you have to use apt-get remove --purge when removing a package iirc`
`17:39.17`	`paulswm`	`BleSS: If you have enough, why did you do it again?`
`17:39.26`	`poncha\|work`	`for example, i have replaced "bind" (bind v8) with bind9 and the former left its init script (and i am not sure if it has left anything else)`
`17:39.38`	`paulswm`	`rolls eyes`
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`17:40.00`	`poncha\|work`	`(i just did apt-get install bind9 , it said it will remove bind , and i agreed... but init script stayed there)`
`17:40.34`	`dragonfly`	`if i install debain to a USB drive on a computer that calls it sdb and try to boot it on a computer that would normally call it sda, will that cause problems? how can i overcome this difficulty`
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`17:41.08`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: because it didn't purge bind8. there should be your configuration files, and the init.d script remaining from bind8`
`17:41.33`	`dragonfly`	`so far the things i know i need to do that will make this work is use a generic kernel that is very nonspecific (this i can do) use ramfs (don't know what to do) and the sleep 10 command in the initrd (not sure how)`
`17:41.48`	`dragonfly`	`any suggestions?`
`17:41.49`	`BleSS`	`the truth is that this is the only channel where you say that's spam, and don't help me`
`17:41.52`	`poncha\|work`	`jethro, yeah but since bind8 and bind9 share same /etc/bind folder for config i assume the configs have been overwritten by bind9`
`17:42.02`	`zOap`	`dragonfly, as long as your computer supports usb boot it's all fine`
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`17:42.06`	`jethro`	`dragonfly: consider a sleep 60 so you can have a cigarette`
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`17:42.35`	`jethro`	`poncha\|work: everything not overwritten by bind9 should still be in /etc/bind/`
`17:42.42`	`poncha\|work`	`yup`
`17:42.53`	`paulswm`	`poncha\|work: Unless you use --purge, apt-get leaves config scripts behind in case you later reinstall. You should be able to remove it. I suggest moving it somewhere (like your home directory), just in case, and then deleting it if nothing breaks.`
`17:42.57`	`sobersabre`	`guys... what can be done with a machine based on k7som+ chipset ... ?`
`17:43.01`	`Samanta-PSL-BA`	`how to edit gnome-menu ?`
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`17:43.02`	`sobersabre`	`it locks up...`
`17:43.09`	`dragonfly`	`z0ap: the way the drive is referenced (sda/sdb) won't matter? am i on the right track with the other things?`
`17:43.12`	`sobersabre`	`would bios upgrade help ?`
`17:43.20`	`sobersabre`	`does anybody know this crappy thing ?`
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`17:43.30`	`zOap`	`sobersabre, could you be more vague?`
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`17:43.38`	`jethro`	`!vaguenesssmite sobersabre`
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`17:43.48`	`sobersabre`	`zOap: no.`
`17:43.59`	`poncha\|work`	`by the way.. is there a way to tell dpkg to purge configs of different packages providing same functionality (for example in case of bind8 and bind9 - dns, in case of postfix and exim etc - mta... ) when they are replaced with alternatives ?`
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`17:44.00`	`jethro`	`sobersabre: I m sure you could.`
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`17:44.09`	`sobersabre`	`zOap: the machine locks X.`
`17:44.12`	`poncha\|work`	`in some apt config file or something...`
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`17:44.22`	`sobersabre`	`nothing is written in the logs.`
`17:44.33`	`sobersabre`	`it`
`17:44.39`	`zOap`	`dragonfly, I have never tried it myself, so I might be in deep water, but what the machine calls it should not matter.`
`17:44.41`	`sobersabre`	`hmm... :)`
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`17:44.52`	`zOap`	`As for the rest, you'\|\| just have to try`
`17:45.00`	`zOap`	`But do a google, and see`
`17:45.07`	`paulswm`	`BleSS: An op told you earlier, yet you came back and did it again. Whether you think that's unhelpful or not is really beside the point, you should respect the rules of the channel`
`17:45.32`	`paulswm`	`Dammit I missed him`
`17:45.34`	`zOap`	`sobersabre, sorry, can't help you there. Have no experience with that`
`17:45.48`	`paulswm`	`He lied about not doing it for gentoo, also`
`17:46.08`	`zOap`	`paulswm, the bastard...`
`17:46.19`	`zOap`	`lol, paulswm said gentoo`
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`17:46.49`	`codester`	`for some reason apt-get upgrade just download the packages it doesnt install it afterward , you guys know why this is so?`
`17:46.49`	`paulswm`	`!singlishsmite zOap`
`17:46.50`	`dpkg`	`zOap: Why so gorblock, you?`
`17:46.53`	`paulswm`	`:D`
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`17:46.56`	`zOap`	`lol`
`17:47.12`	`zOap`	`!lart paulswm`
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`17:47.30`	`lordmyren`	`wait, slashdot, openssh turns five years old? what was i using before then?`
`17:47.35`	`paulswm`	`!gothsmite zOap`
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`17:47.53`	`zOap`	`aah, I love The Cure:D`
`17:47.56`	`bauerbob`	`since upgrading woody to sarge the tftp server on the machine stops after 2700 packets have been transmitted. the server runs into a timeout, i guess the transmission must be broken somehow - has anyone an idea why?`
`17:48.04`	`paulswm`	`zOap: :D`
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`17:48.42`	`zOap`	`bauerbob, have you tried apt-get -f install?`
`17:49.03`	`luulis`	`interesting, just discovered this: http://www.bounty-hacker.org/`
`17:49.05`	`Anthro`	`Damn, sa-learn is slow on seriously large mboxes. 60000 spam messages. Oy.`
`17:49.07`	`bauerbob`	`zOap: not the FTP server!`
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`17:49.21`	`bauerbob`	`and no Debian packages`
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`17:49.35`	`bauerbob`	`TFTP and TCP packets!`
`17:49.40`	`zOap`	`bauerbob, sorry, misread:)`
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`17:49.53`	`masoft`	`why mplayer is not available in debian ?`
`17:50.01`	`jethro`	`masoft: /msg dpkg marillat`
`17:50.06`	`zOap`	`no reason to yell bauerbob`
`17:50.07`	`chealer`	`!tell masoft about mplayer faq`
`17:50.26`	`bauerbob`	`sorry`
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`17:51.10`	`kagor`	`829.... :)`
`17:51.13`	`zOap`	`bauerbob, Well I cant help you there. Be patient, maybe somebody else can`
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`17:51.32`	`nse`	`where is Sarge!?`
`17:51.46`	`zOap`	`!annoying`
`17:51.46`	`dpkg`	`i guess annoying is people who talk in ALLCAPS, or bold, or colours, for no good reason, or keep repeating their sentences, or flooding with junk, or <reply> People who run ad scripts in #debian`
`17:51.47`	`tarzeau`	`THERE! THERE!`
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`17:52.02`	`tarzeau`	`nse: wanna play #bub-n-bros until the cheap plastic soldier gets you?`
`17:52.11`	`bauerbob`	`nsc: he left the chatroom just a second before you came in`
`17:52.22`	`jethro`	`!room`
`17:52.22`	`dpkg`	`CHANNEL!`
`17:52.34`	`bauerbob`	`ahm...well....yes :)`
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`17:52.49`	`zOap`	`jethro, lol:)`
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`17:53.20`	`tarzeau`	`Boy, is Sarge ever old ... just practicing. from http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=148268&cid=12426932`
`17:53.31`	`dragonfly`	`z0ap: if install calling the drive sdb and try to boot it on a computer where it is sda, it will still work?`
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`17:54.42`	`anymous`	`dragonfly: you'll have to modify /etc/fstab`
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`17:55.27`	`dragonfly`	`i think ramfs is supposed to take care of that, b/c i want it to create a new /etc/fstab each boot so that it autodetects drives and partitions no matter what computer i boot it on`
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`17:55.38`	`nse`	`tarzeau: there's always a joke in the linux world about anything we say, exists in the world much more fun, you could easely say: "I'ts on the way" with a smile on your face..`
`17:55.45`	`dragonfly`	`anymous: you may have missed the first part of the convo, i have a usb drive that i am trying to install on`
`17:56.38`	`zOap`	`dragonfly, yes, imagine this: You put a drive in one windoes machine, where it mounts as K: since you have loads of disks and partitions in your superduper workstations. Then you take your disk to some mate and insert, it mounts as D: since he is a cheap bastard. So just go ahead and try, you may or may not have to do as anymous said, I don't know. It should still work...`
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`17:56.43`	`tarzeau`	`nse: true, but i prefer playing that game with the dragons`
`17:56.57`	`tarzeau`	`jethro, abrotman?`
`17:57.16`	`jethro`	`tarzeau: I'll be eating in a few minutes. I'll join later if you don't mind`
`17:57.26`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: that's fine`
`17:57.29`	`Anthro`	`Any idea how a single thread can take up 96% of the CPU on a dual-processor system?`
`17:57.51`	`Jappis`	`is there a GUI logviewer program for debian? like in redhat/fedora.`
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`17:58.09`	`jethro`	`!wb PeTeRB`
`17:58.10`	`dpkg`	`O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! PeTeRB has returned!`
`17:58.19`	`tarzeau`	`PeTeRB: JOIN! JOIN!`
`17:58.23`	`PeTeRB`	`Heh`
`17:58.41`	`PeTeRB`	`tarzeau: Maybe a bit later. I'm too tired`
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`17:59.10`	`jethro`	`!bub-n-bros-smite paulswm`
`17:59.22`	`paulswm`	`Aaargh there is one`
`17:59.37`	`paulswm`	`!prise jethro`
`17:59.39`	`Anthro`	`Is there any way to get top to list which CPU currently running processes are on?`
`17:59.41`	`jon_`	`Anthro, wich process is that?`
`17:59.47`	`Anthro`	`jon_: sa-learn`
`17:59.56`	`jethro`	`paulswm: :)`
`18:00.00`	`paulswm`	`:D`
`18:00.02`	`jon_`	what`s that�
`18:00.17`	`Anthro`	`jon_: spamassassin's bayesian learning script.`
`18:00.27`	`jon_`	`aha, ok`
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`18:00.41`	`jon_`	`sorry no idea :(`
`18:00.59`	`dragonfly`	`does anyone in here have experience using external usb drives to boot from?`
`18:01.03`	`jon_`	`dont you have the source code?`
`18:01.03`	`mwe`	`When I run ppracer it has no sound and on the console it says /dev/sequencer no such device. I do have /dev/sequencer with permissions 666. What could be causing that?`
`18:01.17`	`PeTeRB`	`Anthro: IMHO you should hit f and then j`
`18:01.20`	`zOap`	`paulswm, where do you find a list over all commands dpkg has?`
`18:01.52`	`anymous`	`dragonfly, or label the drive and use LABEL=<label> instead of /dev/sdb`
`18:01.55`	`Anthro`	`PeTeRB: Perfect! Thanks.`
`18:02.02`	`PeTeRB`	`Anthro: You're welcome.`
`18:02.06`	`paulswm`	`zOap: /msg dpkg help, also search with listvals and listkeys`
`18:02.18`	`zOap`	`paulswm, thanks mate:)`
`18:02.28`	`PeTeRB`	`zOap: Factoid list is here: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/`
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`18:02.49`	`paulswm`	`PeTeRB: Thanks, I didn't know that`
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`18:03.05`	`zOap`	`PeTeRB, thnx`
`18:03.25`	`paulswm`	`PeTeRB: Oh wait a minute, yes I did, the nightly backup`
`18:03.34`	`jethro`	`!bubnbrossmite tarzeau`
`18:03.39`	`PeTeRB`	`paulswm: 15:05 isn't nightly`
`18:03.45`	`jethro`	`ah shit, that one doesn't make sense`
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`18:03.52`	`tarzeau`	`jethro: heh. someone should make a server`
`18:03.56`	`anymous`	`mwe, there's missing some kernel module`
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`18:04.04`	`jethro`	`<DISCLAIMER> never bubnbrossmite tarzeau </DICLAIMER>`
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`18:04.37`	`paulswm`	`PeTeRB: depends on the tz!`
`18:05.07`	`PeTeRB`	`paulswm: Right.`
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`18:05.38`	`zOap`	`!fm synthesis`
`18:05.38`	`dpkg`	`fm synthesis is, like, This is a method of creating music using frequencies to represent instruments.`
`18:05.45`	`zOap`	`aah`
`18:05.55`	`PeTeRB`	`That's a lot.`
`18:06.46`	`paulswm`	`jethro: Heh`
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`18:07.19`	`zOap`	`paulswm, /msg dpkg help doesnt respond...`
`18:07.38`	`paulswm`	`PeTeRB: You're right of course, kind of silly, my response, sorry`
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`18:07.46`	`takatumi`	`jethro: game?`
`18:08.00`	`PeTeRB`	`zOap: Check other windows?`
`18:08.01`	`jethro`	`takatumi: I ll be eating in a minute. I ll join later though`
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`18:08.15`	`PeTeRB`	`s/windows/windows or tabs/`
`18:08.21`	`zOap`	`PeTeRB, aah, embarresed`
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`18:08.31`	`paulswm`	`zOap: works for me`
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`18:09.01`	`zOap`	`paulswm, yeah, me too... didnt see that windoe:)`
`18:09.05`	`jethro`	`mickey mouse goatse?`
`18:09.17`	`PeTeRB`	`Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6536902252&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1`
`18:09.23`	`paulswm`	`!fruitsmite zOap`
`18:10.15`	`zOap`	`lol`
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`18:10.56`	`Knight_Lord`	`Are there any tools in Linux to work with SVCD images'`
`18:11.02`	`Knight_Lord`	`?`
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`18:11.43`	`jethro`	`PeTeRB: :)`
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`18:14.53`	`paulswm`	`PeTeRB: Haha @ MM goatse, that is an awful visual though :)`
`18:15.14`	`jethro`	`paulswm: :)`
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`18:15.28`	`PeTeRB`	`Oh dear, almost forgot to take a look at Dilbert :\|`
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`18:16.30`	`AK-87`	`How can I find out the network ip of my debian box?`
`18:16.43`	`gravity`	`ifconfig`
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`18:16.47`	`amorphix`	`hi guys`
`18:16.58`	`amorphix`	`how do i exclude a directory from being archived with tar?`
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`18:17.44`	`anymous`	`amorphix, don't mention it in the list of directories to include`
`18:18.08`	`AK-87`	`thanks :)`
`18:18.14`	`amorphix`	`im not listing any directories tho`
`18:18.29`	`amorphix`	`i just do tar cf archive.tar directory`
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`18:18.50`	`amorphix`	`im not sure how to exclude a directory on the command line`
`18:19.49`	`timo`	`amorphix, --exclude=directory/ignoreme`
`18:20.34`	`PeTeRB`	`amorphix: BTW, the option timo told you about is in the manpage ;)`
`18:20.50`	`amorphix`	`aha thanks timo`
`18:21.11`	`amorphix`	`PeterB yes i know, i saw it on the command line --help output :P`
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`18:24.35`	`amorphix`	`how do i delete a file thats got a funny name with -- at the start`
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`18:24.46`	`Nielsen`	`use quotes`
`18:24.49`	`js`	`amorphix: rm -- --file`
`18:24.50`	`jethro`	`amorphix: rm -- -file`
`18:24.51`	`amorphix`	`ok thanks`
`18:24.55`	`jethro`	`Nielsen: quotes won't do much`
`18:24.59`	`amorphix`	`cheers guys`
`18:25.11`	`Nielsen`	`quotes and backslash then?`
`18:25.30`	`jethro`	`Nielsen: no`
`18:25.31`	`ULuet`	`rm ./funnyname--`
`18:25.37`	`jethro`	`Nielsen: you use -- .`
`18:25.41`	`Nielsen`	`ok`
`18:26.06`	`anymous`	`metoo: rm -rfi .`
`18:26.29`	`js`	`anymous: fi?`
`18:26.44`	`anymous`	`oh, wanted to say "rm -ri ."`
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`18:28.14`	`mwe`	`When I run ppracer it has no sound and on the console it says /dev/sequencer no such device. I do have /dev/sequencer with permissions 666. What could be causing that?`
`18:28.26`	`amorphix`	`is it possible to exclude multiple dirs on the command line with --exclude=dir using tar?`
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`18:28.43`	`Pappa`	`kickass`
`18:28.46`	`amorphix`	`do i just specify several "--exclude=" parameters?`
`18:28.47`	`Pappa`	`http://1056552160/`
`18:28.54`	`timo`	`amorphix, yes, or use -X`
`18:28.55`	`paulswm`	`amorphix: several, IIRC`
`18:29.00`	`amorphix`	`thanks`
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`18:29.31`	`timo`	`(-X or --exclude-from=FILE, see the man page)`
`18:30.29`	`takatumi`	`Pappa: wtf?`
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`18:30.50`	`anymous`	`Pappa: ping 0x7f.0.0.1`
`18:31.06`	`Pappa`	`;)`
`18:31.31`	`Pappa`	`is that in gethostbyname() ? :/`
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`18:31.49`	`rking`	`so, i've got usb working well enough that when i plug in my mouse it prints the "[Foo brand mouse] on usb-0000:00:10.3-1" on the console, but cat /dev/usb/mouse* shows all "no such device" ... what am i presuming that's wrong?`
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`18:32.00`	`anymous`	`Pappa, don't think so...`
`18:32.57`	`zOap`	`Pappa, where are you from?`
`18:33.48`	`Pappa`	`norway`
`18:33.49`	`Pappa`	`well`
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`18:33.59`	`zOap`	`!norwegian`
`18:33.59`	`dpkg`	`methinks norwegian is the language spoken in Norway, or better than swedish, or better then danish`
`18:34.09`	`zOap`	`hurra`
`18:34.36`	`Pappa`	`python's socket.connect() handles everything from ip addresses to octal and hex`
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`18:35.26`	`anymous`	`Pappa, this doesn't work with every command, so I don't think it's found in libc`
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`18:36.24`	`Pappa`	`anymous: clever inet_to() trickery then ;P`
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`18:36.50`	`anymous`	`Pappa, think so.`
`18:37.19`	`Pappa`	`ping 1412994088`
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`18:37.33`	`Pappa`	`yay that's you, anymous`
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`18:38.33`	`anymous`	`Pappa, yes, have a small perl script to convert dotted quad to decimal...`
`18:38.52`	`mackito`	`hi, i have a little question. I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen, somebody can tell me how to put a continous display?`
`18:39.27`	`mwilson`	`mackito: #ubuntu.`
`18:39.29`	`Pappa`	`Screen "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0"`
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`18:39.58`	`mackito`	`ubuntu isn't debian?`
`18:40.01`	`mwilson`	`Pappa: You going to give him the REST of the X configuration necessary to make that work?`
`18:40.12`	`mwilson`	`mackito: No, Ubuntu is Ubuntu.`
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`18:40.17`	`mackito`	`ah ok :)`
`18:40.19`	`mackito`	`sorry`
`18:40.26`	`Pappa`	`mwilson: just found out i'm not allowed to do that.`
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`18:40.40`	`mwilson`	`Pappa: Someone told you that you weren't?`
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`18:41.23`	`Pappa`	`you keep flaming his ass? i mean, this is really generic X stuff and i got the impression that #ubuntu people ain't that helpful`
`18:41.48`	`alvanson`	`I am having trouble with apache 1.3.26 authentication: I have the passwd file all set up, but it refuses to accept my username/password information. Anybody able to help?`
`18:41.56`	`alvanson`	`(I can post stuff in #flood if someone needs)`
`18:42.03`	`mwilson`	`Funny, I point him to the home channel for his distribution, and I'm flaming him.`
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`18:42.36`	`rackamx`	`pacific`
`18:42.40`	`GueVolt`	`Hey! have some soft(with WYSIWYG) like the dreamweaver for debian?`
`18:42.40`	`mwilson`	`Whether the inhabitants of #ubuntu do or do not have a clue has only been mentioned by YOU.`
`18:42.48`	`paulswm`	`!debian-based`
`18:42.48`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are not Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i".`
`18:42.52`	`tarzeau`	`whenever i look in this window (25 lines) i see Ubuntu`
`18:42.58`	`tarzeau`	`UBUNTO UBUNTO UBUNTO!!!`
`18:43.01`	`JoshH`	`GueVolt: you can try nvu`
`18:43.04`	`tarzeau`	`IS THIS #UBUNTO?`
`18:43.15`	`tarzeau`	`IF I WANT UBUNTO I GO INTO #UBUNTO`
`18:43.22`	`GueVolt`	`JoshH: nvu ? ok.. i will try..`
`18:43.25`	`paulswm`	`Heh, tarzeau`
`18:43.28`	`gravity`	`It's kind of depressing that after all the work that went in to d-i people still come here and ask ubuntu questions`
`18:43.37`	`tarzeau`	`someone make a damned bot that kick&bans anyone who says it`
`18:43.38`	`paulswm`	`gravity: No shit.`
`18:43.59`	`mwilson`	`gravity: You know, I've tried to parse that sentence three times, and still come up with NULL. Decode, please?`
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`18:44.13`	`gravity`	`And with all the fanfare and popularity that there's not a ton of competent people in #ubuntu to help out`
`18:44.15`	`alvanson`	`or, you know, I could just read my logs :P`
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`18:44.31`	`JoshH`	`you guys do make it a bigger deal than it really is though. so someone asks an ubuntu question, who cares? if you dont want to help them, then dont, but why waste your energy complaning about it and getting angry.`
`18:44.32`	`paulswm`	`gravity: Well, not only that, but they get an attitude if you point them in the right direction and want to argue about it.`
`18:44.43`	`gravity`	`mwilson: We provide an easy install and people choose to use Ubuntu rather than Debian anyway`
`18:44.45`	`LSorense`	`gravity: maybe all the technical debian users run debian`
`18:44.58`	`mwilson`	`gravity: Debian's install was easy before.`
`18:45.00`	`powerson_`	`anyone used openssl's rsa function?`
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`18:45.21`	`JoshH`	`LSorense: also, a lot of technical peope use ubuntu because it takes less time to setup after the install.`
`18:45.22`	`mwilson`	`gravity: People use Ubuntu because the cluebies are magpies, and they go for anything shiny.`
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`18:45.35`	`LSorense`	`JoshH: debian takes time to setup?`
`18:45.48`	`tarzeau`	`mwilson: what was your saying about idiots and the poison?`
`18:45.56`	`LSorense`	`JoshH: besides ubuntu doesn't run on my mipsel, mips, and 68k machines`
`18:45.58`	`paulswm`	`My setups take 30-60 mins with d-i`
`18:45.59`	`JoshH`	`LSorense: yes, it does. it usually takes me an hour or two to get a workstation useable.`
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`18:46.11`	`tarzeau`	`LSorense: and not on sparc, alpha and hp parisc`
`18:46.14`	`LSorense`	`JoshH: hmm, never seemed to take me that long. maybe I don't do as much`
`18:46.22`	`alvanson`	`note to self: apache runs as group www-data`
`18:46.22`	`LSorense`	`tarzeau: I don't have any of those yet`
`18:46.28`	`mwilson`	`JoshH: While no amount of time will make an Ubuntu workstation anything other than annoying.`
`18:46.32`	`tarzeau`	`JoshH: just select the "desktop" thing in the tasksel? ;)`
`18:46.38`	`paulswm`	`!prize mwilson`
`18:46.46`	`JoshH`	`LSorense: im not trying to start an argument about it...`
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`18:46.54`	`JoshH`	`just saying, i know people who use ubuntu on desktops for that reason`
`18:47.01`	`JoshH`	`personally i prefer debian proper`
`18:47.27`	`Pappa`	`http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/S5jKFD66.html probably a bad explanation but it should give you some hints, the filename is /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`18:47.46`	`mwilson`	`Now, I've already given up on d-i, so I don't know what it's done in the last six months or so. But it's not like it's significantly different from b-f, other than under the hood where people don't see it.`
`18:47.53`	`Pappa`	`JoshH: huh? ubuntu is way harder and more complicated than debian`
`18:47.53`	`LSorense`	`JoshH: i can certainly understand x86 laptop users prefering the setup they get by default on ubuntu. I just never thought install/setup was that big a deal since I do it once on a machine. After that I just upgrade and use as needed. :)`
`18:48.02`	`mwilson`	`s/it's/it wasn't/`
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`18:48.17`	`paulswm`	`JoshH: shrug if people want ubuntu support, they should ask in #ubuntu. Ift is not uncommon, though, when one does that, they want to argue about it and that's generally when things get a little excited.`
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`18:49.08`	`JoshH`	`i think people should ask in #ubuntu also. but if they dont, there is no reason to flame them and clutter up the channel with crap. /ignore is a lot better. :)`
`18:49.27`	`rking`	`yahooo! i got it - thanks little dpkg bot.`
`18:49.36`	`mwilson`	`JoshH: You DO realize that THIS discussion is the entire flamage. There was no other.`
`18:49.43`	`paulswm`	`JoshH: Yeah, you are right, but it ain't gonna happen :)`
`18:50.52`	`JoshH`	`mwilson: honestly, id say about 75 percent of the times i glance into this channel, i see people getting flamed/bitched at/etc, either for asking about ubuntu, asking about sid, asking about a custom kernel, or whatever. its a lot more common in this channel than in others, in my experience.`
`18:50.59`	`rking`	`mwilson: any opinions on e-GeForce MX 4000's?`
`18:51.19`	`mwilson`	`rking: Don't know a thing about them.`
`18:51.25`	`rking`	`k... j/cur`
`18:51.30`	`jasoncohen`	`how do i use apt-listchanges to look at the changlogs of new packages from my apt sources?`
`18:51.45`	`jasoncohen`	`apt-listchanges --apt packagename just sits there`
`18:51.52`	`JoshH`	`rking: anything with MX in the name is the low end, budget product`
`18:51.59`	`JoshH`	`post geforce2 at least`
`18:52.20`	`rking`	`joshH: right - does that mean it might not have good driver support?`
`18:52.21`	`mwilson`	`JoshH: Not like it matters, as far as X is concerned.`
`18:52.36`	`JoshH`	`rking: driver support will be fine, but 3d performance will not be as good`
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`18:53.19`	`JoshH`	`but if all you care about is basic 3d that works for simple stuff, an MX is fine. if you want to play half life 2 and WoW in cedega, then you will want a higher end card.`
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`18:53.44`	`rking`	`JoshH: Ahh, ok... so, for example, how would you expect the OpenGL screensavers to work?`
`18:53.51`	`JoshH`	`those would be fine`
`18:54.07`	`mwilson`	`I've got a pair of GF4 MX440's in thix box, they work fine for whatever I need to do. These two FX5200's, though... grrr`
`18:54.35`	`rking`	`here's a question pertinent to future me, t-1hour: what is a good CD/DVD R/W for linux? I got a cheapie "eXact" burner, and it wouldn't even boot the install disk`
`18:54.41`	`JoshH`	`lol, the FX5200's should actually be better than the MX440's. :P`
`18:55.04`	`mwilson`	`They would be if they both worked.`
`18:55.15`	`mwilson`	`They work apart, but not together in the same box.`
`18:55.39`	`alvanson`	`rking: if it's ATAPI, you should be okay`
`18:55.46`	`alvanson`	`a burner is a burner`
`18:55.50`	`JoshH`	`well, ive got a radeon 9800 pro... which is great for windows gaming, but sucks for linux when it comes to anything more demanding than a screensaver or chromium`
`18:55.54`	`tarzeau`	`sorry guys, can someone host a #bub-n-bros server ? i can't talk about it when i play it hint, hint`
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`18:56.14`	`mwilson`	`I guess what I need to do is investigate dual monitor output nVidia cards again.`
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`18:56.27`	`mwilson`	`Gotta have my tandem monitors. :)`
`18:56.43`	`mwilson`	`Or else stay with the MX440's`
`18:56.46`	`rking`	`alvanson: ok, that makes sense.`
`18:57.22`	`rking`	`tarzeau: what is that?`
`18:57.31`	`mwilson`	`Might as well, until I upgrade motherboards again next year.`
`18:57.53`	`alvanson`	`hmm`
`18:57.53`	`tarzeau`	`rking: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net some game that needs very little bandwith`
`18:58.06`	`green_earz`	`rking: have you booted the debian .iso off any other cd drive ?`
`18:58.06`	`alvanson`	`nvm`
`18:58.07`	`tarzeau`	`rking: but a home account don't have the bandwith`
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`18:58.43`	`rking`	`green_earz: yep - in fact, the way i'm typing this to you now is by installing debian off of my old CD-ROM`
`18:58.48`	`rking`	`tarzeau: ahh, cool`
`18:59.13`	`tarzeau`	`rking: you host one?`
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`18:59.29`	`rking`	`tarzeau: i can't now - i'm sort of trying to wrap up this installation and jet`
`18:59.49`	`tarzeau`	`rking: ok`
`19:00.13`	`mackito`	`bye all`
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`19:00.33`	`codester`	`have anyone ever installed the xfont-artwiz packages? i cant seem to use it even its installed under /etc/X11/fonts/misc`
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`19:02.16`	`DoppelGanger`	`wow free porno`
`19:02.57`	`DoppelGanger`	`not everyday you get those offers by /j #debian`
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`19:03.14`	`DoppelGanger`	` bite me
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`19:03.47`	`Rez`	`simonrvn: who?`
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`19:03.52`	`DoppelGanger`	so why is ` sending ppl porno
`19:03.55`	`PeTeRB`	Rez: `
`19:03.59`	`Rez`	`klined`
`19:04.02`	`PeTeRB`	`Wee.`
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`19:04.14`	`Rez`	`DoppelGanger: get over it. we get on-join spammers all the time.`
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`19:04.43`	`simonrvn`	`meegwetch Rez`
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`19:04.49`	`PeTeRB`	`Rez++`
`19:05.10`	`simonrvn`	`BTW, that means thank you in cree`
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`19:05.31`	`Roldyx1`	`hi`
`19:05.39`	`Tuttle`	`Hi, I'm setting up postfix to use TLS wrapper with user authentication. I've written SASL and TLS oriented options to main.cf and master.cf and the error "fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms" guides me IMHO to install some libraries also instead of postfix-tls. Which package do you recommend?`
`19:06.02`	`simonrvn`	`and you're not in #postfix?`
`19:06.02`	`hikenboot_`	`thanks guys for your pointer to openssl...I managed to get it working with openssl x509 -in new.cert.csr -out new.cert.cert -req -signkey rui.key -days 3000000`
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`19:06.26`	`hikenboot_`	`not that i really need certificates...but for some reason its required!`
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`19:06.34`	`simonrvn`	`3 million days? i doubt it'll be in use that long`
`19:06.41`	`hikenboot_`	`I hope not`
`19:06.42`	`Roldyx1`	`i need make a graphic, i m using xmaxima but i can draw x+1/x`
`19:07.01`	`hikenboot_`	`I really dont want to fuck with it all the time...security is only minimal with my home install`
`19:07.01`	WildFire`	`guys can i use 56k with damn small linux and also, can i dual boot dsl`
`19:07.06`	WildFire`	`with win2k`
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`19:07.19`	`jethro`	WildFire`: this is #debian, not #based-on-debian
`19:07.22`	WildFire`	`also i have only a 28.8 connected well really 56k but cant get higher than 28.8 so eh`
`19:07.24`	WildFire`	`heh`
`19:07.25`	`Tuttle`	`simonrvn: I wish to install a debian package...`
`19:07.30`	`PeTeRB`	WildFire`: dsl is a livecd
`19:07.30`	WildFire`	`will debian install on 1 gig`
`19:07.34`	WildFire`	`ah`
`19:07.35`	`simonrvn`	`you don't boot dsl. this is #debian, not #dsl`
`19:07.36`	`jethro`	WildFire`: yes
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`19:07.40`	`maninho-`	`alguem ai fala portugues`
`19:07.41`	WildFire`	`hmm`
`19:07.45`	`jethro`	`!br`
`19:07.45`	`dpkg`	`Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`19:07.50`	`simonrvn`	`Tuttle: so install it`
`19:07.50`	WildFire`	`how many megs are required for "debian"`
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`19:08.04`	`Roldyx1`	`i need make a graphic, i m using xmaxima but i can draw x+1/x`
`19:08.06`	`jethro`	WildFire`: a minimal install can be less than 500Mo
`19:08.07`	`hikenboot_`	`I have never really dealt with certificates and fundamentally I dont really understand them...I will some day but not today!`
`19:08.09`	WildFire`	`eh`
`19:08.15`	WildFire`	`can it work with 56k and dual boot with win2k`
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`19:08.19`	`jethro`	`s/Mo/MB/`
`19:08.26`	`simonrvn`	`@tell Roldyx1 -about repeat`
`19:08.27`	`Kerr`	`what is the best processor this board is likley to support? http://www.gigabyte.de/MotherBoard/Products/Products_GA-6WMM7.htm`
`19:08.31`	`Tuttle`	`simonrvn: sorry, but I didn't notice which one do you recommend me to install`
`19:08.34`	`medkit`	`I have a hpt372 pci ide controller and the attached harddrives are not detected. Under /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/ide/pci are, among other, two modules: hpt366.ko and hpt34x.ko. In the Kernel headers makefile i find them referenced with obj-$(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT34X) and obj-$(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT366). The entry hpt37x.o is commented out in the makefile.`
`19:08.42`	WildFire`	`can it work with 56k and dual boot with win2k?`
`19:08.46`	`simonrvn`	`Tuttle: i didn't recommend anything`
`19:08.46`	`gass`	`hello ... anyone using debian sarge, that has to update the locales package? i think there is a missing depend�ncy`
`19:08.52`	WildFire`	`my first linux`
`19:09.00`	`simonrvn`	`not a package anyway`
`19:09.07`	`dragonfly`	`if i install ramfs will that make my hardware autodetect each boot?`
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`19:09.33`	`Novice`	`can anone help me on this. »is the hardware compatibility of linux kernel and XServer are two entirely different things or dependent in some way`
`19:09.38`	`simonrvn`	`dragonfly: what do you think?`
`19:09.40`	`Supaplex`	`how do I know what fonts I need to install? After migrating to sarge a few days ago, I have like 12 fonts total. pstree's graphical lines are foobaring my xterms up.`
`19:10.08`	WildFire`	`can it work with 56k and dual boot with win2k? no use if its not 56k compatable and dual bootable`
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`19:10.27`	`dragonfly`	`i'm hoping so, but i haven't been able to find much info`
`19:10.47`	`simonrvn`	WildFire`: put it this way, it'll probably be easier with pppoeconf than with windows' crap
`19:11.01`	`Supaplex`	WildFire`: restate your question. I don't think any of us understand it, and repeating won't make it more so. /msg dpkg repeat
`19:11.03`	WildFire`	`pppoeconf?`
`19:11.07`	WildFire`	`sorry (:`
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`19:11.30`	WildFire`	`there is a way to connect to dialup on linux (never used linux before) and also i can dual boot it with windows 2000`
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`19:12.10`	`pngwn`	WildFire`, debian.org...there's an installation manual
`19:12.22`	`simonrvn`	WildFire`: yes. yes.
`19:12.22`	WildFire`	`ah (:`
`19:12.25`	`Supaplex`	WildFire`: can you dual boot? yes. does your modem work in linux? check linmodems.com or google for your modem and linux to see what others say.
`19:12.26`	WildFire`	`gd gd`
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`19:13.12`	`Supaplex`	WildFire`: er linmodems.org - my bad.
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`19:13.37`	`green_earz`	`WildFire: check out the link for debian command linux dailup config > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/peripherals/modem.html and have got a network card on the box ?`
`19:13.40`	WildFire`	`hang on`
`19:13.55`	WildFire`	`yes i have a network card.`
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`19:14.16`	`Supaplex`	`and I think it's pppconfig you want. pppoeconfig, if it exists at all, is for pppoe only (ppp on ethernet)`
`19:14.29`	`LSorense`	`codester: xfonts-artwiz seems to work when i do xterm -fn 'somefontname from the package'. is xlsfonts \|grep -i lime, finds the names of one of the fonts in the package`
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`19:14.55`	`Hellran`	`hello, i have ssh access but i would to know if there is a way to get into my server via graphical interface (gde is installed)`
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`19:15.31`	`green_earz`	WildFire`: if you got a network card install with a gateway set on it. you will have a problem seting up a dailup connection
`19:15.35`	`petzsch`	`Hellran: take a look at tightvnc and lookalikes`
`19:15.43`	WildFire`	`green`
`19:15.49`	WildFire`	`i can connected through network card?`
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`19:16.09`	`petzsch`	`the releasedate hasn't been moved yet? strange.... very strange... could it be true? :-)`
`19:16.15`	`Admonisher`	`so D-day is tomorow?`
`19:16.19`	`supaman`	`why oh why does aptitude want to remove abiword from my computer when I try to install aspell-is ???`
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`19:16.23`	`luulis`	`Hellran: gde? some kind of GNOME and KDE hybrid :D ?`
`19:16.26`	`Hellran`	`ok thanks petzch`
`19:16.30`	`Hellran`	`:)`
`19:16.39`	`Hellran`	`errrr... gdm ?`
`19:16.57`	`codester`	`LSorense: oh ok, but how come they dont show up in system setting like where u change your system font`
`19:17.01`	WildFire`	`�green_earz� i can connect to a dialup connection through a network card?`
`19:17.36`	`cormster`	`sure i thought gnome 2 had its own vnc client in it`
`19:17.36`	`PeTeRB`	`!tell codester about u`
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`19:18.15`	`mwilson`	`Hm, is an i810 ATA66 max, or ATA100?`
`19:18.17`	`green_earz`	WildFire`: no . a external 56k modem for dailup. net card for dsl connection
`19:18.23`	WildFire`	`�green_earz� i can connect to a dialup connection through a network card???? never heard of that lol`
`19:18.31`	WildFire`	`ah`
`19:18.37`	WildFire`	`56k i have (:`
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`19:19.17`	`mwilson`	`Ah, ATA66.`
`19:19.46`	`resiak`	`And in general, can anyone recommend an application to "the name of the application (as determined by libwnck)" (WRT an open window)?`
`19:19.56`	`resiak`	`Urgh, sorry, I was in the process of rephrasing that question.`
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`19:21.16`	`jetscreamer`	`how do i force the frickin cdrom to unmount, no actively running program is accessing it but it's still locked`
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`19:21.24`	`depesz`	`hi`
`19:21.45`	`depesz`	`can anyone of you help me with setting national characters in mplayer under debian?`
`19:21.53`	`supaman`	`jetscreamer: you sure about it that nothing is using the cdrom? done a lsof on it?`
`19:22.04`	`depesz`	`i tried different settings with dpkg-reconfigure mplayer-fonts`
`19:22.14`	`depesz`	`i added -subcp flag, or run without it.`
`19:22.15`	`jetscreamer`	`supaman: i mounted it, used xine, closed xine.`
`19:22.23`	`depesz`	`yet i dont have it (national characters).`
`19:22.23`	`dragonfly`	`i just isntalled debian to my usb harddrive but on the reboot it gets to pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init!`
`19:22.45`	`dragonfly`	`how can i overcome this?`
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`19:23.48`	`resiak`	`dragonfly: How did you install Debian?`
`19:23.49`	`jetscreamer`	`supaman: thanks (stupid xfe)`
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`19:24.21`	`supaman`	`jetscreamer: np :-)`
`19:24.22`	`codester`	`hmm weird xchat closed on me`
`19:24.32`	`dragonfly`	`resiak: what info do u want?`
`19:24.46`	`PeTeRB`	`!tell dragonfly about u`
`19:24.48`	`dragonfly`	`i used the Sarge I386 Netinstall CD`
`19:25.15`	`dragonfly`	`sorry PeTeRB`
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`19:27.17`	`tarzeau`	`dragonfly: you like dragons?`
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`19:27.40`	`jetscreamer`	`if we travel by my, dragonfly`
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`19:28.43`	`asdfasdf`	`hell?`
`19:28.59`	`shingouz`	`asdfasdf: not quite but pretty close`
`19:29.02`	`green_earz`	`dragonfly: is the bios set to boot of removable device ? just a idear`
`19:29.08`	`asdfasdf`	`hello...sorry`
`19:29.20`	`shingouz`	`:)`
`19:29.28`	`asdfasdf`	`typo`
`19:29.37`	`caphuso`	`asdfasdf: both's appropriate, so don't worry ;-)`
`19:29.45`	`shingouz`	`asdfasdf: oh. occasionally i do think this is hell`
`19:29.53`	`asdfasdf`	`me too`
`19:30.12`	`shingouz`	`caphuso: i think we both need some caffeine :)`
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`19:30.44`	`caphuso`	`shingouz: i had two cans of coffee and two and a half of black tea. i really don't need any more caffeine :)`
`19:30.52`	`shingouz`	`wow`
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`19:31.11`	`caphuso`	`damn. again... pots, not cans`
`19:31.21`	`shingouz`	`as long as they are big`
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`19:32.29`	`kelan`	`is there a way to find out what fonts my xterm is using?`
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`19:32.54`	`Octave_Octet`	`is there a way to find out on which partition is the current folder without using df or /etc/fstab ?`
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`19:33.04`	`dragonfly`	`sorry all, i'm back`
`19:33.07`	`fas3r`	`hi all`
`19:33.11`	`bam`	`when doing an apt-get upgrade, why are some packages held back?`
`19:33.11`	`dragonfly`	`yes, the bios is set to boot from the drive`
`19:33.17`	`X21`	`hi all`
`19:33.27`	`dragonfly`	`i think this is where there is something about a sleep10 command that i know nothing about that needs to be used`
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`19:33.41`	`Octave_Octet`	`bam: bam because they have dependency problems, try apt-get dist-upgrade`
`19:33.52`	`shingouz`	`Octave_Octet: not that i know of. it is a directory btw ;)`
`19:34.20`	`bam`	`Octave_Octet, thanks`
`19:35.11`	`Octave_Octet`	`bam: It probably won't solve the problem but it may. You can examine the situation with aptitude if you want. It's probably because a needed package has not yet been uploaded`
`19:35.29`	`Jeffreyf`	`dpkg`
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`19:36.10`	`shingouz`	`bam: you probably have some packages on hold too. just do an apt-get install package on them and they install`
`19:36.13`	`green_earz`	`dragonfly: i have not done what you are doing but the problem looks very simular the when the boot loader grub in the mbr can not find its info in /boot`
`19:36.23`	`bam`	`i'm in the process of trying it...`
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`19:36.54`	`bam`	`i've actually been noticing it for last couple months (using sarge)`
`19:37.08`	`X21`	`is cbq.init anygood for bandwidth management?`
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`19:37.19`	`shingouz`	`bam: packages on hold is my guess`
`19:37.41`	`bam`	`when doing dist-upgrade, it didn't indicate that anything will be held back`
`19:37.42`	`behrouz2005`	`i was told to download the latest stable kernel version from kernel.org, what is the latest PREPATCH for the stable linux kernel mean`
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`19:37.58`	`shingouz`	`bam: that is what dist-upgrade does`
`19:38.11`	`codester`	`how can i use xfont? after i installed the package`
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`19:38.25`	`PeTeRB`	`codester: How about reading the manpages?`
`19:38.30`	`bam`	`ah ok. i haven't used dist-upgrade since going from woody to sarge. never really read the man page section on close enough i guess`
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`19:38.39`	`shingouz`	`behrouz2005: i think the latest one is 2.6.11.11, the prepatches... i doubt you need anything that recent`
`19:38.39`	`bam`	`s/on/on it`
`19:38.55`	`codester`	`PeTeRB: what man page?`
`19:39.01`	`codester`	`PeTeRB: they didnt come with any`
`19:39.05`	`behrouz2005`	`shingouz: what do they mean by prepatches`
`19:39.07`	`shingouz`	`bam: dist-upgrade can be dangerous too you know`
`19:39.20`	`bam`	`well, i'm about to find out how dangerous :)`
`19:39.25`	`shingouz`	`behrouz2005: not sure but i would say that they are not 100% tested`
`19:39.27`	`bam`	`(too late now...)`
`19:39.32`	`behrouz2005`	`oh okay`
`19:39.42`	`behrouz2005`	`thx`
`19:39.51`	`shingouz`	`bam: just install the packages manually with apt-get install instead, not too much work`
`19:39.53`	`PeTeRB`	`codester: Try google then`
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`19:40.09`	`Octave_Octet`	`Or make your own selection with aptitude`
`19:40.22`	`bam`	`shingouz, it's too late, i'm already more than halfway through`
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`19:40.28`	`Octave_Octet`	`Good luck`
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`19:40.35`	`shingouz`	`bam: it is your ass on the line :)`
`19:40.47`	`bam`	`well, it's not a work-related production box`
`19:41.09`	`behrouz2005`	`oh one more question, i have linux runnin using vmware, on top of microsoft windows, i set aside 5 gigs for linux any idea on how i can access this memory from windows?`
`19:41.20`	`bam`	`although it will suck if something breaks in a major way`
`19:41.34`	`nonoo`	`behrouz: maybe with a network share?`
`19:41.37`	`deepz`	`does anybody know how windows store its user passwords`
`19:41.59`	`shingouz`	`deepz: huh?`
`19:42.10`	`green_earz`	`X21: if i remember right cbg only dose a single shaped stream on the net card. to have several shaped streams have a look at using htb`
`19:42.12`	`deepz`	`hmmmm`
`19:42.18`	`PeTeRB`	`deepz: IIRC in a file.`
`19:42.28`	`deepz`	`no`
`19:42.34`	`deepz`	`format`
`19:42.37`	`XTF`	`What's the key to clear the bash command line?`
`19:42.43`	`PeTeRB`	`deepz: Ask google.`
`19:42.47`	`supaman`	`behrouz2005: there are some programs out there for windows that makes it possible to read ext2 filesystems ... is that what you need?`
`19:42.48`	`PeTeRB`	`XTF: Ctrl+L ?`
`19:42.58`	`XTF`	`No, that clears the screen.`
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`19:43.03`	`deepz`	`no`
`19:43.06`	`XTF`	`Something instead of 80x Backspace`
`19:43.08`	`shingouz`	`deepz: ascii text i think but you need to decrypt it too`
`19:43.11`	`deepz`	`il give u a eg:`
`19:43.18`	`X21`	`green_earz: have u used htb before`
`19:43.26`	`nonoo`	`Is GTK+ the best way to create a GUI?`
`19:43.26`	`shingouz`	`deepz: do not paste here`
`19:43.29`	`codester`	`PeTeRB: ever thought i have done that? and havent found it`
`19:43.33`	`deepz`	`if i give tired as my password`
`19:43.45`	`deepz`	`it stores it in differnt format`
`19:43.52`	`js`	`XTF: ^C ? or hold ^W ? or perhaps alt+80, then backspace`
`19:43.53`	`deepz`	`what is that format`
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`19:44.06`	`shingouz`	`deepz: google it, we do not know`
`19:44.12`	`deepz`	`ok thks`
`19:44.20`	`XTF`	`^W does the job.`
`19:44.21`	`Cyberax`	`hey guys, I wanna install debian sarge, I already have the 7 debian woody disks and I could just install woody and upgrade to sarge or I could download the 100mb netinstall for sarge which do you think is gunna be less trouble?`
`19:44.24`	`shingouz`	`deepz: it is encrypted somehow, that i know`
`19:44.25`	`Ruben`	`does somebody know anything about the Adaptec Storage Manager running on Sarge ?`
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`19:44.37`	`green_earz`	`X21: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/index.html`
`19:44.43`	`shingouz`	`Cyberax: jsut get the netinstall`
`19:44.44`	`nonoo`	`Cyberax: netist`
`19:44.49`	`supaman`	`Cyberax: the netinstall disk would be less trouble`
`19:44.55`	`Cyberax`	`ok cool`
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`19:45.28`	`Cyberax`	`to be honest I was worried about woody having trouble detecting my reasonably new network card`
`19:45.33`	`nonoo`	`does anybody know if theres a package for GTK+ I could apt-get? Im having a hell of a time finding it on the packages website`
`19:45.43`	`Cyberax`	`and then I would just be stuck unable to use apt to upgrade`
`19:45.54`	`PeTeRB`	`!tell ArCePi about away`
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`19:45.59`	`shingouz`	`Cyberax: woody does not really detect anything`
`19:46.04`	`Ruben`	`nonoo: try apt-cache search gtk`
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`19:46.12`	`shingouz`	`nonoo: apt-cache search foo`
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`19:46.18`	`jetscreamer`	`nonoo: you might wanna grep that one`
`19:46.22`	`nonoo`	`Ruben: Haha, do you know how many results that comes up with?`
`19:46.28`	`shingouz`	`grep`
`19:46.29`	`jetscreamer`	`^^`
`19:46.41`	`nonoo`	`the problem is, I don't know what to grep for`
`19:46.52`	`supaman`	`!tell nonoo about gtk`
`19:47.02`	`shingouz`	`nonoo: well try to make some educated guesses then.`
`19:47.08`	`behrouz2005`	`what is the download command`
`19:47.16`	`jetscreamer`	`nonoo: go to gtk.org`
`19:47.19`	`green_earz`	`X21: and for a good htb howto have a look at > http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/traffic_shaping/index.html`
`19:47.20`	`jetscreamer`	`wget maybe beh`
`19:47.24`	`jetscreamer`	`wget -c`
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`19:47.32`	`jetscreamer`	`behrouz2005: that is`
`19:47.36`	`Ruben`	`nonoo: libgtk2.0-common is most common i think`
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`19:48.00`	`jetscreamer`	`nonoo: go there look for what you want apt-cache and grep`
`19:48.13`	`paulswm`	`Ddraig17`
`19:48.20`	`jetscreamer`	`!dselect`
`19:48.20`	`nonoo`	`Ruben: than you, you saved me 15 minutes of searching methinks`
`19:48.20`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude.`
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`19:48.45`	`bam`	`shingouz, Octave_Octet: all seems to be well, tho i haven't rebooted yet`
`19:48.48`	`jetscreamer`	`does craptitude show extended information on a per package basis?`
`19:49.00`	`Ruben`	`is there anybody managing a adaptec aacraid controler under sarge ?`
`19:49.01`	`jetscreamer`	`in the 'gui' looking thingy`
`19:49.09`	`shingouz`	`bam: unless you had a new kernel installed it should reboot nicely`
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`19:49.29`	`bam`	`nope, i manage my own kernel. looks to be smooth :)`
`19:49.40`	`bam`	`phew`
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`19:50.08`	`Draconicus`	`How can I see what's on the parallel port as a module? I have a device loaded into a module or something (gamecon, if anybody is familiar with it). Is there a way to see a map of active devices, or something? When this is loaded, lp0 disappears from /dev.`
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`19:50.29`	`rafx`	`anyone know if we're still on track for June 6 or if there will be another delay for sarge?`
`19:50.38`	`behrouz2005`	`what is the command to download something, wget doesn't work`
`19:50.46`	`shingouz`	`rafx: /topic`
`19:51.01`	`shingouz`	`behrouz2005: what do you want to download and from where`
`19:51.16`	`behrouz2005`	`i want to download the latest kernel from this website http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.11.11.bz2`
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`19:51.37`	`Ruben`	`!tell me about aacraid`
`19:51.40`	`shingouz`	`behrouz2005: that is just a patch, not the latest kernel. use ftp`
`19:51.43`	`rafx`	`shingouz: i read topic and did /msg dpkg wwsr before asking`
`19:52.06`	`shingouz`	`rafx: then dont ask, we all are a bit out of the loop here`
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`19:52.21`	`FieldySnuts`	`what you know is what we know`
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`19:52.59`	`supaman`	`is there a webpage where one can see how many release critical bugs are left to take care of before the release?`
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`19:53.02`	`rafx`	`is there a URL with a list of remaining RC bugs?`
`19:53.07`	`Ruben`	`can i ask dpkg in private?`
`19:53.09`	`rafx`	`lol`
`19:53.13`	`shingouz`	`Ruben: msg him`
`19:53.18`	`error403`	`i was wondering, has anybody managed to install Woody on a system with an MSI Delta-ILSR board, and got the network interface to work?`
`19:53.30`	`shingouz`	`error403: jsut go sarge`
`19:53.33`	`MobyTurbo`	`!lol`
`19:53.33`	`dpkg`	`lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg`
`19:53.44`	`shingouz`	`error403: besides, what nic does it have?`
`19:53.49`	`Jeffreyf`	`what is the dpkg cmd to reconfig x`
`19:54.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg -i clue`
`19:54.06`	`rafx`	`lmao`
`19:54.07`	`error403`	`shingouz, whats so good about Sarge? i thought it was still in testing...`
`19:54.08`	`FieldySnuts`	`uh.`
`19:54.13`	`rafx`	`!lmao`
`19:54.13`	`dpkg`	`from memory, lmao is laughing my ass off, or see lol`
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`19:54.19`	`behrouz2005`	`shingooz: what is the difference between a patch and a kernel, where can i download the latest kernel`
`19:54.24`	`shingouz`	`error403: dammit. read /topic`
`19:54.25`	`pureone`	`dpkg-reconfigure xfree-config or something`
`19:54.27`	`nonoo`	`error403: only for a short time more`
`19:54.38`	`gravity`	`pureone: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
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`19:54.45`	`pureone`	`thats it`
`19:55.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`!aussiesmite shingouz`
`19:55.32`	`dpkg`	`shingouz: yeahhh righto mate`
`19:55.34`	`shingouz`	`behrouz2005: do you really want to compile your own? if not, grab the latest off debian. if you really want to do the kernel on your own (which i seriously doubt because of the questions you ask) kernel.org for the latest`
`19:55.38`	`supaman`	`rafx: take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/all.html`
`19:55.59`	`shingouz`	`FieldySnuts: am i that bad tonight? :)`
`19:56.02`	`rafx`	`thanks`
`19:56.18`	`rob`	`SiC: Fish.`
`19:56.28`	`supaman`	`seems there are 20 bugs left`
`19:56.30`	`SiC`	`Fingers`
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`19:56.51`	`nonoo`	`In the next couple of days Im gonna setup my other laptop to dual boot XP/sarge. Im gonna use the netinst how hard is it going to be? If I recall, I install the boot loader into the MBR?`
`19:57.07`	`nonoo`	`never done it before and a little scared`
`19:57.20`	`deadcat`	`supaman: i only see 5 (=`
`19:57.31`	`giupy`	`nonoo, yes MBR, first install winxp than sarge`
`19:57.39`	`supaman`	`Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 20`
`19:57.48`	`X21`	`so how do u find out what kernal version you are running?`
`19:57.51`	`supaman`	`deadcat: the top of the page says that`
`19:58.05`	`deadcat`	`oh`
`19:58.06`	`Jeffreyf`	`Thanks`
`19:58.07`	`chealer`	`!tell X21 about u`
`19:58.08`	`error403`	`shingouz, does Sarge have better hardware compatibility then?`
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`19:58.11`	`chealer`	`X21: uname -r`
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`19:58.15`	`shingouz`	`error403: yes`
`19:58.21`	`behrouz2005`	`shingooz: what the commands be to download using ftp`
`19:58.27`	`error403`	`shingouz, how about the installer?`
`19:58.29`	`shingouz`	`behrouz2005: man ftp`
`19:58.30`	`deadcat`	`supaman: they got few hours left (=`
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`19:58.39`	`supaman`	`deadcat: thats all they need :-)`
`19:58.41`	`shingouz`	`error403: better. at least it is more automagic`
`19:58.45`	`tarzeau`	`error403: yes`
`19:58.50`	`tarzeau`	`error403: much better`
`19:58.57`	`deadcat`	`supaman: luckily this aint a gentoo distro. else they wont make it for sure heheh`
`19:59.04`	`error403`	`is it worth downloading the pre-release now?`
`19:59.05`	`takatumi`	`how many hours to go?`
`19:59.15`	`deadcat`	`takatumi: ~ 5`
`19:59.15`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: 2-25`
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`19:59.19`	`shingouz`	`error403: yes it is`
`19:59.20`	`tarzeau`	`deadcat: how do you know?`
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`19:59.34`	`error403`	`shingouz, does that mean i shouldnt need to download the released versino?`
`19:59.38`	`crylyx`	`hi, is there a tool to figure out my motherboards model and vendor?`
`19:59.39`	`deadcat`	`tarzeau:`
`19:59.40`	`deadcat`	`Sun Jun 5 19:05:00 UTC 2005`
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`19:59.54`	`Krasiva_noche`	`has anyone got UML to work under Debian ?`
`19:59.55`	`shingouz`	`error403: just grab the netinstall and do the install`
`20:00.01`	`Zambba`	`Can I make dual-boot with Mac OS 9 and Debian?`
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`20:00.06`	`error403`	`hmmm`
`20:00.13`	`deadcat`	`Zambba: if you have a ppc box yes`
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`20:00.19`	`Zambba`	`I do have ppc box, yes`
`20:00.25`	`tarzeau`	`deadcat: Sun Jun 5 20:02:09 UTC 2005`
`20:00.28`	`deadcat`	`Zambba: yes you can. use mol`
`20:00.34`	`Zambba`	`what's mol?`
`20:00.35`	`tarzeau`	`deadcat: yer clock is wrong?`
`20:00.38`	`tarzeau`	`!mol`
`20:00.38`	`dpkg`	`i heard mol is Mac On Linux, a sort of VMWare for PowerPCs or at ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/home/f95-sry/Public/mac-on-linux/, or finally packaged for debian`
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`20:00.50`	`deadcat`	`tarzeau: the clock is on the page.`
`20:01.01`	`tarzeau`	`deadcat: what page?`
`20:01.03`	`lewis`	`who thinks sarge will be released tomorrow?`
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`20:01.16`	`deadcat`	`lewis: /topic (=`
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`20:01.20`	`Zambba`	`Do I need Mac OS to use MOL?`
`20:01.25`	`deadcat`	`Zambba: no`
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`20:01.32`	`aficionado`	`Hi, I was playing around with ftp servers on debians so I install pure-ftpd then uninstalled it (with the --purge flag). Now I after installing it again, the configuration files (/etc/pure-ftpd, /etc/pure-ftpd.conf) are not showing up; how can I get those again?`
`20:01.34`	`deadcat`	`Zambba: you install linux. then install mol`
`20:01.36`	`shingouz`	`cant we make an autoban on "when is sarge out"? :)`
`20:01.38`	`Zambba`	`okay... :S`
`20:01.39`	`lewis`	`yeh - but isn't that a target, after numerous previous delays?`
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`20:01.41`	`aficionado`	`s/debians/debian`
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`20:01.51`	`deadcat`	`shingouz: hahah. ban for life. and send them to gentoo`
`20:02.03`	`shingouz`	`deadcat: mepis morelike it`
`20:02.08`	`error403`	`shingouz, one last question.... where can i get the Sarge netinstall?`
`20:02.15`	`shingouz`	`!d-i`
`20:02.15`	`dpkg`	`from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer>`
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`20:02.34`	`deadcat`	`error403: since sarge is out in few hour. you want testing or stable?`
`20:02.34`	`shingouz`	`!debian-installer`
`20:02.34`	`dpkg`	`i guess debian-installer is the replacement for the aging "boot-floppies" installation system used in all previous versions of debian. The Debian Installer will be the installer for future versions of Debian, beginning with sarge. It has been designed to be more modular, easier to use, and more extensible than the old installation system. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or ask me about d-i`
`20:02.42`	`Krasiva_noche`	`has anyone got UML to work under Debian ?`
`20:02.46`	`behrouz2005`	`anybody knows the command to download, ftp is too complicated without a gui`
`20:02.46`	`error403`	`deadcat, stable preferably..`
`20:02.47`	`error403`	`lol`
`20:02.54`	`mwe`	`how do you store alsamixer settings?`
`20:02.57`	`shingouz`	`deadcat: dont confues the poor sould :)`
`20:02.57`	`deadcat`	`error403: then wait few hr hehe`
`20:03.07`	`shingouz`	`soul`
`20:03.10`	`deadcat`	`(=`
`20:03.13`	`giupy`	`behrouz2005, ncftp :)`
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`20:03.19`	`Krasiva_noche`	`mwe: store alsactl I believe`
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`20:03.23`	`jhaig`	When I run "apt-get upgrade" I get an error "`Depends' field, reference to `libasound2': error in version: version string is empty" after all the packages have been downloaded. Can anyone help?
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`20:04.09`	`maher`	`aficionado: use dpkg with --force-confmiss`
`20:04.19`	`aficionado`	`maher: ah, alright thanks!`
`20:04.27`	`green_earz`	`behrouz2005: have a look at using ncftp for command line ftp work`
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`20:04.40`	`deadcat`	`if the bots can detect "root has landed.." cant you guys make it detect "knoppix user has landed.." ?`
`20:04.42`	`shingouz`	`behrouz2005: there is no single command to download. if the cli is too complicated for you get a gui version. and if you cannot hack the ftp, do NOT make a custom kernel!`
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`20:06.21`	`jetscreamer`	`wtf just use wget -c`
`20:06.53`	`jetscreamer`	`deadcat: that is a module not just a cmd (.?) factoid or whatever`
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`20:07.21`	`deadcat`	`jetscreamer: no clue how the bots work.`
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`20:08.45`	`jethro`	`deadcat: it's a builtin feature. it can be hacked to detect knoppix users though. utsl :)`
`20:09.04`	`giupy`	`can i create two XF86Config and choose the one i want when i startx ?`
`20:09.36`	`Krasiva_noche`	`giupy: just rename the second to XF86Config.1 and switch in between`
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`20:10.00`	`giupy`	`Krasiva_noche, yes but how can i switch ?`
`20:10.13`	`Krasiva_noche`	`giupy: it ownt prompt you to switch`
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`20:10.26`	`Krasiva_noche`	`giupy: s/ownt/wont`
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`20:10.42`	`Krasiva_noche`	`giupy: renaming one to the other`
`20:10.48`	`giupy`	`Krasiva_noche, i'll try thanks`
`20:11.04`	`Krasiva_noche`	`giupy: make a backup of both just in case :P`
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`20:11.22`	`Col_Kernel`	`i've upgraded my thinkpad to current sarge, but now the mouse wheel no longer works. /dev/input/mice does not show any events for the mouse wheel of my usb mouse. anyone an idea?`
`20:11.49`	`shingouz`	`!tell Col_Kernel about 2.6 mouse`
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`20:12.30`	`Overfiend`	`dpkg: 2.6 mouse`
`20:12.31`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3))`
`20:12.51`	`Draconicus`	`Col_Kernel: Did you enable the "emulate three buttons" thing?`
`20:12.52`	`Overfiend`	`don't forget to upgrade to xfree86 -14 :)`
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`20:13.37`	`Draconicus`	`I need to get the latests sarge... hmm.`
`20:14.00`	`Col_Kernel`	`both modules are loaded, and the box was running 2.6 kernel already before the upgrade`
`20:14.03`	`Col_Kernel`	`xfree is -14`
`20:14.10`	`rpmx`	`in /etc/X11/XF ..... /dev/psaux`
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`20:14.31`	`Col_Kernel`	`maybe i should add that the thinkpad also has a internal "mouse"`
`20:14.49`	`Col_Kernel`	`rpmx: there are no events in /dev/input/mice, so i think it is not X's fault`
`20:14.51`	`Overfiend`	`running dpkg-reconfigure with -14 installed will help prevent doubled mouse events`
`20:14.58`	`Draconicus`	`Hmm..`
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`20:15.30`	`Overfiend`	`if there are no events at all, X is looking at the wrong mouse device, the kernel's not producing events on that port, or you're not using the kind of mouse you think you are.`
`20:15.38`	`Overfiend`	`Or you mouse is not functioning.`
`20:15.42`	`Overfiend`	`s/you/your/ :)`
`20:15.56`	`eddyp`	`why there is no translation when switching to locale ro_RO.utf-8 and there is one on ro_RO?`
`20:16.01`	`behrouz2005`	`i;m using ftp, when i type "open ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/" it tells me unkown host :(`
`20:16.02`	`Overfiend`	`you might trying installing the "mdetect" package and running that command`
`20:16.09`	`Col_Kernel`	`nonoo, the mouse works at another box`
`20:16.12`	`streuner`	`Any idea when xorg goes into debian, yes i know /topic?`
`20:16.29`	`*** part/#debian jhaig (~jhaig@212.18.228.50)`
`20:16.30`	`Col_Kernel`	`there are events, but not for the wheel`
`20:16.30`	`deadcat`	`streuner: i say tomorrow`
`20:16.31`	`Overfiend`	`streuner: David Nusinow is working on packages. It will appear in experimental first`
`20:16.42`	`gravity`	`Building as we speak`
`20:16.46`	`streuner`	`Overfiend: ah, thanks, hi btw.`
`20:16.53`	`Overfiend`	`kick ass. You fixed the patch system problems?`
`20:17.17`	`gravity`	`Well, I'm using the ubuntu tarball as a base since the one in svn is patched up`
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`20:17.25`	`Overfiend`	`ugh`
`20:17.27`	`gravity`	`I had to eat a few messed up builds due to manifest issues last night. That hurt`
`20:17.31`	`Overfiend`	`we can't release like that`
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`20:17.47`	`sparr`	`a company asks for resumes in txt, html, or pdf. txt is easy, but im considering html. do you think they would want 'plain' html, or should i be creative?`
`20:17.52`	`Overfiend`	`gravity: I asked you to revert the patches to trunk/xc, but I can do it if need be :)`
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`20:18.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 852] by debhelper`
`20:18.12`	`Overfiend`	`gravity: you need to know how to revert committed changes in svn even if you have me do it this time`
`20:18.20`	`Overfiend`	`gravity: basically, it's a reverse merge.`
`20:18.30`	`Overfiend`	`if I wanted to revert revision 128, I would:`
`20:18.38`	`Overfiend`	`1. go into my working copy`
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`20:18.52`	`bztunk`	`sparr: what the fuck does it has to do with debian, and unless if you're applying for a graphic design job, fuck originality`
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`20:18.59`	`deadcat`	`sparr: be creative. they love that kind of shits`
`20:19.14`	`FieldySnuts`	`@lart sparr`
`20:19.17`	`deadcat`	`bztunk: he wants us to know hes applying for a job..`
`20:19.28`	`gravity`	`Ok, in trunk`
`20:19.34`	`deadcat`	`gravity: whats trunk?`
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`20:19.45`	`gravity`	`deadcat: A branch in an svn repo`
`20:19.45`	`streuner`	`dpkg, trunk`
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`20:20.07`	`gravity`	`Overfiend: Which revision? The first where xc was imported?`
`20:20.29`	`exerd`	`how do i mount my digitalcamera_`
`20:20.33`	`sparr`	`bztunk: ive been kicked for off topic before, im sure it will happen again`
`20:20.36`	`gravity`	`Overfiend: I also don't know what to do about render and xrender. I can't build the rest of the packages until those are updated`
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`20:20.54`	`deadcat`	`exerd: you dont. install gphoto2`
`20:21.19`	`Overfiend`	`2. svn merge -r128:127 ${repo_url}`
`20:21.24`	`exerd`	`deadcat, no`
`20:21.31`	`Overfiend`	`gravity: no, the revision where trunk/xc was patched`
`20:21.37`	`nF3r`	`Does anyone know how i get debian connected and install the rest of the packages ? i just install debian serge net installed cd. but now i have problems with connecting to the net. any help ??`
`20:21.41`	`deadcat`	`Overfiend: whats trunk?`
`20:21.43`	`Overfiend`	`gravity: you have no idea what I did, do you? :) Please read the commit logs :)`
`20:21.54`	`Overfiend`	`deadcat: revision crontrokl jargon`
`20:21.57`	`streuner`	`exerd: any results with 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi'?`
`20:21.57`	`Overfiend`	`control`
`20:21.59`	`kelan`	`why is the 7x14bold font significantly different from 7x14:P its annoying`
`20:21.59`	`deadcat`	`nF3r: ifconfig`
`20:22.00`	`gravity`	`Overfiend: I see r32 with a fix backported...`
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`20:22.11`	`Overfiend`	`gravity: you know svn log -v ?`
`20:22.16`	`deadcat`	`Overfiend: ah. because i have to get some trunk shit for my ati card.`
`20:22.28`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: im on the blue sreen menu "Apt configuration"`
`20:22.30`	`Overfiend`	`it shows you which paths changed`
`20:22.36`	`behrouz2005`	`help, i'm trying to download the latest kernel, i've been told there's no single command to download, now trying to use ftp, but when i type "ftp ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/" in the command line, it tells me "unkown host"`
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`20:22.39`	`kelan`	`hmm. kelan`
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`20:22.41`	`Overfiend`	`svn log -v is essential for a full understanding of what's going on`
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`20:22.49`	`deadcat`	`nF3r: can you switch to F2?`
`20:22.52`	`chealer`	`!tell behrouz2005 about kp`
`20:23.05`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: ok i got it`
`20:23.06`	`kelan`	`!eat kelan`
`20:23.17`	`Overfiend`	`gravity: I gotta go, Michelle needs the nurses`
`20:23.22`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: i have eth0`
`20:23.25`	`gravity`	`Overfiend: Ok`
`20:23.26`	`error403`	`...`
`20:23.29`	`streuner`	`Overfiend: cu`
`20:23.39`	`gravity`	`Overfiend: I'll keep looking at this`
`20:23.39`	`behrouz2005`	`chealer: what is kp?`
`20:23.48`	`exerd`	`streuner, Vendor: FUJIFILM Model: USB-DRIVEUNIT Rev: 1.00`
`20:23.48`	`exerd`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:23.49`	`deadcat`	`nF3r: does it show ip and stuff? route, ping google and so forth`
`20:24.07`	`chealer`	`behrouz2005: kernel-package. use debian's kernel source packages`
`20:24.12`	`streuner`	`exerd: mount -t vfat /dev/sda(1) /somwhere`
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`20:24.21`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: i cant ping www.google.com`
`20:24.23`	`chealer`	`behrouz2005: you got the factoid that dpkg /msg-ed you, right?`
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`20:24.33`	`behrouz2005`	`no`
`20:24.42`	`streuner`	`exerd: suppose FUJIFILM is your digitalcamera`
`20:24.46`	`chealer`	`behrouz2005: try /msg dpkg kp`
`20:24.48`	`exerd`	`streuner, yes`
`20:24.54`	`exerd`	streuner, -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
`20:24.57`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: "ping: unknown host www.google.com"`
`20:24.58`	`deadcat`	`nF3r: chekc if you have gateway or not, check /etc/resolv.conf, check if you hvae an ip or not`
`20:25.01`	`chealer`	`behrouz2005: you get it that way?`
`20:25.09`	`deadcat`	`nF3r: ping 147.144.1.2 then`
`20:25.11`	`streuner`	`exerd: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /somwhere`
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`20:25.27`	`caphuso`	`hehe, Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1'.`
`20:25.31`	`behrouz2005`	`chealer: no, i dont know why`
`20:25.39`	`deadcat`	`streuner: that more like mounting the card than the camera`
`20:25.40`	`streuner`	`thats pretty old`
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`20:25.51`	`chealer`	`behrouz2005: fix your IRC client...`
`20:25.52`	`exerd`	`streuner, Ok thanks`
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`20:25.52`	`chealer`	`!kp`
`20:25.53`	`dpkg`	`somebody said kp was To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too)`
`20:25.56`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: "destination net unreachable"`
`20:25.57`	`Chetic`	`"(EE) No devices found." when starting X... what do I do?`
`20:25.58`	`streuner`	`coming from the new cdrecord package in unstable...`
`20:26.05`	`deadcat`	`nF3r: you dont hvae internet`
`20:26.05`	`behrouz2005`	`chealer: ok got it now`
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`20:26.18`	`deadcat`	`nF3r: dhclient eth0 and try to pick one up`
`20:26.20`	`kelan`	`whats a good xterm font? i like 7x14 but the bold characters look too different from the normal ones`
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`20:26.35`	`streuner`	`deadcat: well, of course, why would anyone mount the camera itself? ;-)`
`20:26.35`	`deadcat`	`kelan: AA fonts`
`20:26.44`	`jethro`	`deadcat: "knopWarn: Detected knoppix luser; notifying nick and channel." easy to do, but i doubt it'll make it into dpkg :)`
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`20:26.46`	`deadcat`	`streuner: that what he asked (=`
`20:26.56`	`streuner`	`hehe`
`20:27.02`	`streuner`	`true :-)`
`20:27.04`	`deadcat`	`jethro: hahahaha`
`20:27.14`	`imek`	`Hi, all.. is it just me, or is the latest Azureus package in unstable the wrong version? The package says 2.3.0.2, but the program claims to be 2.2.0.2.`
`20:27.15`	`kelan`	`deadcat: anti-aliased?`
`20:27.21`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: i see the status`
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`20:28.28`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: "bound to 192.168.1.104 -- renewal in 86400 seconds."`
`20:29.03`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: what i need to do now ?`
`20:29.07`	`deadcat`	`nF3r: ping again. if fails. you dont have internet`
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`20:29.32`	`deadcat`	`nF3r: also ping some lan machines`
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`20:30.01`	`happyb`	`how do i set my default editor to vi?`
`20:30.12`	`happyb`	`when i visudo it brings up nano instead`
`20:30.13`	`deadcat`	`happyb: EDITOR=vi`
`20:30.14`	`nF3r`	`deatcat: no connection`
`20:30.28`	`happyb`	`deadcat: where?`
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`20:30.33`	`behrouz2005`	`i undersand kp is for compiling kernels, but i'm told to download and install the UML, so trying to find out how to download something from the web, i have problems with ftp, when i type open "ftp`
`20:30.33`	`caphuso`	`happyb: system-wide: update-alternatives --config editor. per user: set $VISUAL and/or $EDITOR`
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`20:31.24`	`behrouz2005`	`when i type "ftp ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/" it tells me unkown host, anyone knows how i can fix this problem?`
`20:31.41`	`happyb`	`is update-alt a command? i dont have it if it is`
`20:31.56`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: can't ping other host`
`20:31.58`	`happyb`	`dont ftp to sub`
`20:32.02`	`deadcat`	`happyb: it is. but your mis-typed`
`20:32.11`	`deadcat`	`nF3r: you're fucked`
`20:32.13`	`e2e`	`happyb: Yes update-alternatives is a command`
`20:32.17`	`happyb`	`ftp ftp.kernel.org`
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`20:32.22`	`happyb`	`ok...ill research thanks`
`20:32.46`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: now what ? im using netgear card`
`20:33.08`	`behrouz2005`	`happyb: when i type ftp ftp.kernel.org, it asks for login`
`20:33.25`	`john`	`anonymous`
`20:33.25`	`happyb`	`anymomous email@emial.com`
`20:33.29`	`john`	`blah@blah.com`
`20:33.30`	`john`	`yes`
`20:33.33`	`e2e`	`behrouz2005: just hit enter to login anonymous`
`20:33.49`	`happyb`	`S/`
`20:33.52`	`happyb`	`oops`
`20:34.05`	`jvw`	`foo@example.com # don't spam the poor people having emial.com, email.com or blah.com`
`20:34.23`	`nF3r`	`deadcat: can't do anything further with my net connection down ? this is stupid if no other way`
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`20:36.09`	`juanmals`	`Does anyone know if sarge will be finally released tomorrow or there is a new delay? thanks`
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`20:36.45`	`chaosboss`	`someone have a figlet's link working? thanks`
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`20:36.59`	`crispexi`	`hehhe clitjuicesakliq shaokaps iz gonna bitchass pizz in hizzass pants of hellshitfire with the niggruxroomjuicewares`
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`20:37.18`	`Shadur`	`... what the hell?`
`20:37.21`	`Silicon`	`heh`
`20:37.23`	`behrouz2005`	`is there anyway to download something besides ftp(apparently nobody knows)`
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`20:37.37`	`sobersabre`	`behrouz2005: http`
`20:37.37`	`gpm`	`juanmals: Topic for #debian-devel is: "Britney and the Sergeant have broken up" (a.k.a. testing is closed, debian-cd team working now) .... loooks like it`
`20:37.45`	`sobersabre`	`behrouz2005: udp`
`20:37.47`	`sobersabre`	`...`
`20:37.48`	`gpm`	`will be tomorrow`
`20:37.56`	`PeTeRB`	`Woo`
`20:38.04`	`juanmals`	`Thanks gpm :D`
`20:38.13`	`gpm`	`juanmals: don't quote me on it :P`
`20:38.25`	`behrouz2005`	`sobersabre: do u know where i could find more instructions on how to download`
`20:38.49`	`gpm`	`behrouz2005: what are you talking about? download what?`
`20:39.08`	`behrouz2005`	`i'm trying to download different kernels,`
`20:39.48`	`gpm`	`apt-get, via a web browser, wget....there are many ways to get a kernel package (or kernel source if that's what you're looking for)`
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`20:40.20`	`maher`	`behrouz2005: wget`
`20:40.26`	`e2e`	`behrouz2005: for ftp (as i remember) ftp> put file_name .`
`20:40.55`	`PeTeRB`	`What was the URL for the page that showed the remaining bug count for sarge?`
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`20:41.14`	`gpm`	`PeTeRB: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical ?`
`20:41.25`	`PeTeRB`	`gpm: Thanks`
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`20:43.35`	`behrouz2005`	`wget command is not found, not sure how apt-get works(tried a few things but didnt' work), how can download something from the web`
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`20:44.10`	`maher`	`behrouz2005: what do you want to do`
`20:44.17`	`Gnea`	`behrouz2005: apt-get install wget`
`20:44.35`	`behrouz2005`	`trying to download something from the web`
`20:44.58`	`gpm`	`behrouz2005: you need to man apt-get...it's essential if you're going to be using debian`
`20:44.59`	`PeTeRB`	`behrouz2005: Just use a browser :/`
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`20:45.13`	`sobersabre`	`Gnea: i think... wget is used by apt-get...`
`20:45.24`	`Gnea`	`sobersabre: wrong.`
`20:45.36`	`Gnea`	`only for some non-free software`
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`20:46.04`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, you can try gwget`
`20:46.10`	`streuner`	`sobersabre: no`
`20:46.13`	`gpm`	`sobersabre: it's not. it doesn't depend on wget`
`20:46.22`	`streuner`	`!depends apt-get`
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`20:46.33`	`streuner`	`!depends apt`
`20:46.35`	`dpkg`	`apt: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1)`
`20:46.57`	`behrouz2005`	`gwget is not found`
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`20:47.08`	`gpm`	`behrouz2005: apt-get install wget gwget`
`20:47.15`	`gpm`	`behrouz2005: and for the love of god, man apt-get`
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`20:47.43`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, most of the times, iranian have problem with download but for its speed not program :D`
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`20:48.06`	`kira_`	`dsa`
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`20:48.12`	`behrouz2005`	`hehe funny`
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`20:48.41`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, could you install it ?`
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`20:49.29`	`behrouz2005`	`masoft: working on it`
`20:49.58`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, if you use debian, just try`
`20:50.06`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, apt-get install wget gwget`
`20:50.11`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, in SU mode`
`20:50.34`	`behrouz2005`	`in user mode u mean?`
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`20:51.01`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, Super User ! write su command before run apt-get`
`20:51.27`	`Ruben`	`anyone got the adaptec storage manager working under woody/sarge ?`
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`20:51.40`	`Ruben`	`or just the daemon`
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`20:52.26`	`paulswm`	`!ping`
`20:52.26`	`dpkg`	`pong`
`20:52.45`	`resiak`	`Right, is there any sane way to start a terminal with -e and make it run a shell when that command ends, rather than just happily closing?`
`20:53.13`	`behrouz2005`	`masoft: it tells me could find package gwget`
`20:53.27`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, what dist. do you use ?`
`20:53.48`	`behrouz2005`	`woody 3.0`
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`20:54.19`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, oops, very old :D`
`20:54.26`	`PeTeRB`	`resiak: -e 'echo blah && bash' ?`
`20:54.35`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, why you don't use Sarge ?`
`20:54.35`	`behrouz2005`	`i just downloaded it a couple of wks ago`
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`20:55.27`	`resiak`	`PeTeRB: You'd think that would work, wouldn't you?`
`20:55.54`	`PeTeRB`	`resiak: Worked for me :/`
`20:56.04`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, so you must use just wget`
`20:56.33`	`resiak`	`PeTeRB: Intriguing. It works for xterm but not for urxvt.`
`20:57.10`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, do you have highspeed internet ?`
`20:57.23`	`PeTeRB`	`resiak: How about -e sh -c '...' ?`
`20:57.32`	`PeTeRB`	`resiak: That works with urxvt too.`
`20:57.42`	`resiak`	`PeTeRB: What I said doesn't work?`
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`20:58.02`	`behrouz2005`	`masoft: i have high speed, just using wget didn't work`
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`20:58.17`	`PeTeRB`	`resiak: ?`
`20:58.32`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, didn't work ?!`
`20:58.32`	`behrouz2005`	`masoft: i wouldn't wanna download and install another version of linux though`
`20:58.36`	`behrouz2005`	`no`
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`20:59.05`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, why ? for ex. when you write wget http://www/a.mov it will not download it ?`
`20:59.06`	`resiak`	`PeTeRB: urxvt -e sh -c 'echo foo' doesn't do the trick.`
`20:59.12`	`behrouz2005`	`what if i download a DE and a windwos manager, would that come with a browser`
`20:59.33`	`maher`	`behrouz2005: use apt-setup`
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`20:59.40`	`PeTeRB`	`resiak: Because it just runs the echo command`
`20:59.40`	`bobb`	`How do I enable drag and drop on Knoppix? I want to install a Flash reader but I can't do a manual instal as it won't let me do a "copy to Here"`
`20:59.59`	`chealer`	`!tell bobb about knoppix`
`21:00.08`	`chealer`	`!tell error403 about away`
`21:00.09`	`PeTeRB`	`!tell error403 about away`
`21:00.13`	`resiak`	`PeTeRB: Of course. urxvt -e sh -c 'echo foo && zsh' works just fine, ta.`
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`21:00.19`	`error403`	`???`
`21:00.21`	`error403`	`wtf?`
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`21:01.50`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, Firefox has its own downloader`
`21:01.58`	`djedje`	`hi all`
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`21:02.16`	`bernouli`	`is it possible to do ssh with proxy?`
`21:02.29`	`PeTeRB`	`resiak: Of course you could make a custom .zshrc or something`
`21:02.32`	`zOap`	`bernouli, have you googled?`
`21:02.34`	`behrouz2005`	`masoft: is firefox a gui`
`21:02.39`	`paulswm`	`behrouz2005: woody is very old, you should really upgrade your distro to sarge`
`21:02.47`	`resiak`	`PeTeRB: Sure, but I'm only wanting it for just this one.`
`21:02.51`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, it's one of the most famous Web Browsers`
`21:02.53`	`maher`	`behrouz2005: run apt-setup to point your sources to something sensible`
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`21:02.55`	`resiak`	`PeTeRB: Oh, I see what you mean.`
`21:03.09`	`PeTeRB`	`resiak: You could even create one on the fly`
`21:03.10`	`behrouz2005`	`paulswm: how do i upgrade my distro`
`21:03.16`	`bernouli`	`zOap, not yet, if it is not possible then i can save my time googling`
`21:03.17`	`masoft`	`maher, where are you come from ?`
`21:03.27`	`PeTeRB`	`behrouz2005: /msg behrouz2005 woody->sarge`
`21:03.30`	`PeTeRB`	`Oops.`
`21:03.31`	`resiak`	`PeTeRB: Yes, of course. Ta.`
`21:03.32`	`maher`	`masoft: i come with peas for all men`
`21:03.35`	`PeTeRB`	`behrouz2005: /msg dpkg woody->sarge`
`21:03.37`	`zOap`	`bernouli, but if you google, you can save us some time, dig it?`
`21:03.52`	`bernouli`	`ok, try it`
`21:03.57`	`paulswm`	`!tell behrouz2005 about woody->sarge`
`21:04.24`	`zOap`	`!kiss paulswm`
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`21:04.33`	`zOap`	`aah, woody`
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`21:04.52`	`masoft`	`maher, not any problem about that :P what country do u live in ?`
`21:04.52`	`paulswm`	`!hug zOap`
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`21:04.59`	`maher`	`masoft: uk`
`21:05.06`	`MobyTurbo`	`!u`
`21:05.06`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`21:05.23`	`zOap`	`mm, metal, aah:) lol`
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`21:05.24`	`MobyTurbo`	`!lol`
`21:05.24`	`dpkg`	`lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg`
`21:05.24`	`paulswm`	`:D`
`21:05.35`	`behrouz2005`	`paulswm: for some reason i didnt' get any instructions on how to upgrade from woody to sarge`
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`21:05.55`	`zOap`	`<- lol:)`
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`21:06.29`	`paulswm`	`behrouz2005: /msg dpkg woody->sarge`
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`21:07.12`	`moa3333`	`is sarge realy out today 6/6/2005 ?`
`21:07.21`	`zOap`	`paulswm, you know if you have to be op to add to dpkg?`
`21:07.32`	`procrastinator`	`moa3333: Check your cal.`
`21:07.33`	`john`	`moa3333: /topic i assume.`
`21:07.35`	`deadcat`	`moa3333: yes.`
`21:07.35`	`XTF`	`m0a3333: 6/6 hasn't ended yet`
`21:07.44`	`majki`	`Hi, is possible to do, when user is connecting to server via SSH to show him message before display to him login: ? something like that was possible with telnet connections and issue file`
`21:07.48`	`deadcat`	`its not even 6/6 yet (=`
`21:08.02`	`XTF`	`deadcat: Not everyone is in your timezone.`
`21:08.08`	`deadcat`	`XTF: exactly`
`21:08.26`	`MobyTurbo`	`it's not 6/6 here either, in North America`
`21:08.27`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, I recommend to use mozilla for example`
`21:08.30`	`john`	`yeah it's the 5th ;/`
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`21:08.32`	`takatumi`	`I'm at 7/6`
`21:08.43`	`drac`	`Just turned 6.6.. 00:08`
`21:08.46`	`maher`	`majki: man sshd_config banner`
`21:08.54`	`PeTeRB`	`takatumi: You sure? :/`
`21:08.55`	`zOap`	`one hour left`
`21:08.58`	`takatumi`	`PeTeRB: :)`
`21:09.12`	`deadcat`	`zOap: till end of world? (=`
`21:09.15`	`behrouz2005`	`if i install kde or gnome, do they come with a browser`
`21:09.25`	`majki`	`maher: ok, thnx`
`21:09.31`	`deadcat`	`behrouz2005: kde does`
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`21:09.33`	`jeff_hann`	`yes,behrouz`
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`21:09.38`	`jeff_hann`	`kde`
`21:09.42`	`maher`	`behrouz2005: probably - but fix your sources first`
`21:09.47`	`zOap`	`deadcat, yes, you're all gonna die, none of you are gonna get etch, hahahaaha(evil laughter)`
`21:10.00`	`deadcat`	`zOap: hahahah.`
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`21:10.13`	`masoft`	`behrouz2005, KDE come with konqueror and Gnome with epiphany`
`21:10.19`	`swatikiss`	`i have mathematica on my linux box and i have no idea how to uninstall it... any thoughts ?`
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`21:10.36`	`deadcat`	`swatikiss: how did you install it?`
`21:10.48`	`YaleR`	`behrouz2005: both`
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`21:10.55`	`swatikiss`	`deadcat, a shell script from the mathematica cd`
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`21:11.01`	`YaleR`	`behrouz2005: kde comes with konqueror and gnome comes with mozilla`
`21:11.04`	`deadcat`	`swatikiss: oh shit.`
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`21:11.26`	`deadcat`	`swatikiss: probably all in /usr/local or /opt`
`21:11.27`	`maher`	`swatikiss: read the shell script and see what it did`
`21:11.27`	`MobyTurbo`	`YaleR: GNOME does not come with Mozilla`
`21:11.47`	`PeTeRB`	`YaleR: Isn't it Epiphany?`
`21:11.48`	`takatumi`	`nautilus/epiphany/galeon`
`21:11.53`	`swatikiss`	`maher, ok, will do`
`21:11.58`	`MobyTurbo`	`YaleR: Mozilla and Firefox use XUL, they use gtk and a couple of other gnome libraries, but not as much as typical gnome aps`
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`21:12.07`	`maher`	`swatikiss: maybe the shell script has an unsinstall option`
`21:12.07`	`swatikiss`	`i can "locate mathematica" and it gives only a few locations of files....`
`21:12.09`	`takatumi`	`and now mozilla too? so we have all of em.`
`21:12.14`	`deadcat`	`has anyone installed debian on a sun cobalt qube3? this one is amd chip. not mips.`
`21:12.20`	`YaleR`	`mozilla-browser mozilla-psm <-- are installed when I install gnome`
`21:12.31`	`swatikiss`	`maher, hmm.. ill look at it here....`
`21:12.39`	`YaleR`	`PeTeRB: that too`
`21:12.47`	`MobyTurbo`	`YaleR: they are installed because they are necessary for epiphany to run`
`21:12.51`	`optika`	`YaleR: Epiphany depends on mozilla, and Evolution probably depends on mozilla-psm`
`21:13.05`	`behrouz2005`	`what text editor does woody have`
`21:13.10`	`YaleR`	`you still get the browser...`
`21:13.11`	`swatikiss`	`maher, I do not believe there is an uninstall option...`
`21:13.12`	`maher`	`behrouz2005: all of them`
`21:13.13`	`MobyTurbo`	`optika: GMTA`
`21:13.19`	`behrouz2005`	`tyring to open up sources.list`
`21:13.20`	`e2e`	`optika: No, there is no dependency for evolution`
`21:13.25`	`MobyTurbo`	`behrouz2005: Debian comes with many many many editors`
`21:13.31`	`e2e`	`optika: i mean mozilla-psm`
`21:13.35`	`takatumi`	`behrouz2005: nano for a start.`
`21:13.36`	`behrouz2005`	`it doesn't have nedit`
`21:13.37`	`maher`	`swatikiss: then you'll need to examine the srcipt to see what it did...`
`21:13.44`	`deadcat`	`leafpad is nice for gui. simple.`
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`21:13.51`	`swatikiss`	`maher, crap,....`
`21:14.14`	`intero`	`is it possible to change the message it's printed after login? which file is that?`
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`21:14.23`	`MobyTurbo`	`behrouz2005: nedit is in Sarge at least.`
`21:14.23`	`PeTeRB`	`intero: man motd`
`21:14.25`	`swatikiss`	`maher, it says : InstallBase /usr/local/Wolfram/Mathematica/5.0`
`21:14.26`	`deadcat`	`intero: /etc/motd`
`21:14.37`	`intero`	`thanks deadcat`
`21:15.07`	`deadcat`	`intero: if you want fancy color: sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/motd`
`21:15.13`	`maher`	`swatikiss: probably most stuff ended up there then`
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`21:16.14`	`intero`	`deadcat: thanks :D`
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`21:16.40`	`swatikiss`	`maher, i mean, in the end, will i just be deleting files.. or what ?`
`21:16.55`	`maher`	`swatikiss: yes - you will delete a bunch of files`
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`21:17.31`	`maher`	`swatikiss: if you just want to make it non-executable you could just remove/chmod a-x the fiel you call it by`
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`21:18.10`	`martin`	`hola`
`21:18.20`	`martin`	`gnome is taking 5+ mins to load, any ideas?`
`21:18.20`	`deadcat`	`up marty mar`
`21:18.21`	`Jeffreyf`	`dpkgroot`
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`21:18.35`	`martin`	`gnome, in the clouds, hehe`
`21:18.47`	`deadcat`	`(=`
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`21:19.09`	`sapphire`	`gnome out to lunch :)`
`21:19.14`	`martin`	`lol`
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`21:19.28`	`martin`	`it has lunch too often for my liking`
`21:19.53`	`sapphire`	`maybe u have small quantity of ram on your comp`
`21:19.57`	`MobyTurbo`	`!u`
`21:19.57`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`21:20.04`	`martin`	`plenty of ram`
`21:20.18`	`PeTeRB`	`martin: One possible solution is not to use GNOME. But you probably want to fix it.`
`21:20.32`	`FieldySnuts`	`@start a de war`
`21:20.36`	`FieldySnuts`	`grr`
`21:20.40`	`sapphire`	`then it may be something network related martin`
`21:20.44`	`deadcat`	`!start a desktop war`
`21:20.44`	`dpkg`	`GNUStep: be different.`
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`21:20.48`	`sapphire`	`gnome is cool`
`21:20.52`	`sapphire`	`so is kde`
`21:20.56`	`martin`	`PeTeRB, another is take up gardening and rename myself alan, but hey, that's plan Z Z Aplha`
`21:20.59`	`behrouz2005`	`help, trying to upgrade from woody to sarge, changed the stuff in the sources.list, after i typed "aptitude update", i get the followin errors, "E: Malformed line 2 in srouce list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI) e: The list of srouces could not be read."`
`21:21.01`	`sapphire`	`and others`
`21:21.02`	`deadcat`	`sapphire: so is windows?`
`21:21.02`	`sapphire`	`:)`
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`21:21.13`	`dan2`	`!start a cold war`
`21:21.15`	`sapphire`	`no`
`21:21.19`	`FieldySnuts`	`nice HHGTTG referance`
`21:21.20`	`sapphire`	`not windows`
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`21:21.23`	`FieldySnuts`	`!start a world war`
`21:21.23`	`dpkg`	`Israel kicks Saudi ass`
`21:21.29`	`sapphire`	`shitows`
`21:21.29`	`deadcat`	`sapphire: you discriminate (=`
`21:21.31`	`sapphire`	`:)`
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`21:21.53`	`PeTeRB`	`martin: Log in to GNOME and go to a console and run top and see what processes are using lots of CPU`
`21:22.21`	`martin`	`PeTeRB, cpu is nominal, under 10%, just seems to sit there for 5 mins befoe nautilus kicks in`
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`21:22.26`	`sapphire`	`dpkg full of shit`
`21:22.35`	`sapphire`	`about politics`
`21:22.35`	`drasko`	`is there a way to chang gtkrc in themes and achive full screen without buttons to shutdown tha application?`
`21:22.45`	`FieldySnuts`	`it's a bot.`
`21:22.59`	`PeTeRB`	`drasko: ?`
`21:23.13`	`jethro`	`~say @say !irritate sapphire`
`21:23.14`	`apt`	`@say !irritate sapphire`
`21:23.15`	`ravenbird`	`!irritate sapphire`
`21:23.19`	`deadcat`	`drasko: that has nothing to do with gtkrc.`
`21:23.22`	`jethro`	`:[`
`21:23.35`	`deadcat`	`drasko: check your desktop/window manager.`
`21:23.44`	`sapphire`	`well`
`21:23.46`	`sapphire`	`right`
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`21:23.49`	`behrouz2005`	`help, trying to upgrade from woody to sarge, changed the stuff in the sources.list, after i typed "aptitude update", i get the followin errors, "E: Malformed line 2 in srouce list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI) e: The list of srouces could not be read."`
`21:23.52`	`PeTeRB`	`jethro: Heh.`
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`21:24.08`	`deadcat`	`behrouz2005: fix line 2 then`
`21:24.22`	`behrouz2005`	`i dont know whats wrong with it`
`21:24.24`	`drasko`	`deadcat, I want to setup kiosk, so I wan to lock the runned application`
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`21:24.35`	`[Granger]`	`bismark: don't irc as root`
`21:24.43`	`deadcat`	`drasko: you would hold you mean`
`21:24.58`	`Rickdangerous`	`!root`
`21:24.58`	`dpkg`	`It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306`
`21:25.22`	`drasko`	`deadcat, ok, so how to do this?`
`21:25.25`	`sapphire`	`anyone knows if sarge official jigdos will be available anytime soon and when? :)`
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`21:25.43`	`deadcat`	`drasko: echo kiosk hold \| sudo dpkg --set-selections`
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`21:25.54`	`maher`	`sapphire: should be tomorrow`
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`21:26.30`	`sapphire`	`thnx maher`
`21:26.32`	`linuxbomb`	`oooooooohhhhhh a denial of service attack ooooooohhhhhh`
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`21:26.45`	`PeTeRB`	`linuxbomb: Cool.`
`21:26.47`	`Rickdangerous`	`!defuse linuxbomb`
`21:26.52`	`paulswm`	`HAHA`
`21:27.07`	`streuner`	`!blairsmite linuxbomb`
`21:27.26`	`linuxbomb`	`dpkg your awesome`
`21:27.38`	`PeTeRB`	`linuxbomb: It's awesome what?`
`21:27.40`	`paulswm`	`!explode`
`21:27.40`	`dpkg`	`BOOOM`
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`21:27.53`	`deadcat`	`dpkg: shutup`
`21:27.54`	`dpkg`	`yes master, I'll STFU`
`21:28.00`	`paulswm`	`Heh`
`21:28.11`	`paulswm`	`!botsnack`
`21:28.20`	`linuxbomb`	`dpkg is the most advanced bot I've seen in irc`
`21:28.51`	`sapphire`	`dpkg is full of shit`
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`21:29.02`	`drp`	`java on undernet was kind of impressive`
`21:29.10`	`jethro`	`linuxbomb: blootbot.sf.net`
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`21:29.23`	`behrouz2005`	`help, trying to upgrade from woody to sarge, changed the stuff in the sources.list, after i typed "aptitude update", i get the followin errors, "E: Malformed line 2 in srouce list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI) e: The list of srouces could not be read."`
`21:29.33`	`Rickdangerous`	`behrouz2005, delete that line`
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`21:29.50`	`drasko`	`deadcat, sorry for botherig, but what that means exactly, pipeing words kiosk hold to dpkg command. Set selaction do what exactly. In man says:Set package selections using file read from stdin. But it is not quite clear to me...`
`21:29.51`	`deadcat`	`behrouz2005: fix that line then`
`21:29.53`	`YaleR`	`or make sure it's a real repo...`
`21:29.54`	`Rickdangerous`	`behrouz2005, then re-type it. :)`
`21:30.08`	`paulswm`	`linuxbomb: sometimes dpkg fools people, see below...`
`21:30.09`	`paulswm`	`!qotd20`
`21:30.09`	`dpkg`	`< ceige> dpkg: I'm not stupid! I use MSN!`
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`21:30.49`	`drasko`	`deadcat, what are packge selactions kiosk and hold suppose to be?`
`21:30.50`	`deadcat`	`drasko: pipes the output to dpkg --set-selections. i dont know how to explain but the output is sent to dpkg as input.`
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`21:31.02`	`Chetic`	`Is there a way to limit the max download speed of apt-get?`
`21:31.11`	`deadcat`	`drasko: sets the status of that package to hold so it wont be upgraded when you apt-get upgrade`
`21:31.16`	`linuxbomb`	`anyone here have a zaurus?`
`21:31.16`	`[Granger]`	`why would you want to do that? @ ChanServ`
`21:31.17`	`[Granger]`	`err`
`21:31.20`	`[Granger]`	`Chetic*`
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`21:31.26`	`deadcat`	`linuxbomb: no`
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`21:31.36`	`Chetic`	`[Granger], ISP problems.. I have to if I want to keep my connection`
`21:31.41`	`Chetic`	`Please tell me if there's a way`
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`21:31.49`	`[Granger]`	`ummm`
`21:31.51`	`deadcat`	`Chetic: no`
`21:31.55`	`[Granger]`	`not unless you have your own gateway`
`21:32.02`	`Chetic`	`I have a router...`
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`21:32.07`	`deadcat`	`haha`
`21:32.15`	`Chetic`	`OH GOD NO! I can't beleive this`
`21:32.19`	`[Granger]`	`router != gateway`
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`21:32.26`	`[Granger]`	`I should have said`
`21:32.31`	`[Granger]`	`your own configurable gateway`
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`21:32.41`	`[Granger]`	`as in a PII 400 running debian in a closet`
`21:32.44`	`[Granger]`	`then you can do it`
`21:32.46`	`[Granger]`	`otherwise no`
`21:32.53`	`PeTeRB`	`Chetic: Your ISP accuses you of downloading too fast? :/`
`21:33.07`	`drasko`	`deadcat, Now I see... No, I don't want that. i want to, for examle, run firefox, and then prevent some user shut it down. I want shutdown button not to be visible or reachable`
`21:33.23`	`deadcat`	`PeTeRB: accuses him of downloading too much pron at high speed. (=`
`21:33.30`	`maher`	`Chetic: do you just want toreduce latency for interactive apps during dl?`
`21:33.46`	`Chetic`	`no I need bandwidth limitations because of my previous downloading history`
`21:33.57`	`YaleR`	`lol`
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`21:34.01`	`deadcat`	`drasko: you want to config your desktop/window manager to disable the icon. for example i can do that in openbox.`
`21:34.04`	`jon_`	`does anybody a date for xorg in debian?�`
`21:34.07`	`SiC`	`go on another isp`
`21:34.07`	`PeTeRB`	`deadcat: With apt-get :D`
`21:34.14`	`maher`	`Chetic: shaper/d can do that`
`21:34.18`	`linuxbomb`	`Chetic, you making one of those internet machines i see at the mall?`
`21:34.18`	`deadcat`	`PeTeRB: hahaha.`
`21:34.26`	`YaleR`	`Chetic: how do you download? most download managers/bt clients allow you to limmit your speeds and monitor your bandwidth`
`21:34.26`	`jon_`	`does anybody know a date for xorg in debian?� (sorry)`
`21:34.34`	`Chetic`	`YaleR, apt-get`
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`21:34.53`	`Chetic`	`maher, I'm not an extreme ultraleet megapro like you`
`21:34.53`	`YaleR`	`oh :/`
`21:35.00`	`maher`	`jon_: might be in experimental reasonably soon - like a couple of weeks`
`21:35.09`	`Chetic`	`I can't beleive there's no way to do this, it's.. such a pity`
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`21:35.14`	`deadcat`	`Chetic: if you're not, then you;re fucked`
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`21:35.33`	`maher`	`Chetic: do you need to limit bandwidth or total downloaded (or both)`
`21:35.45`	`drasko`	`deadcat, does gdm have some controlable preferences like that?`
`21:35.46`	`YaleR`	`Chetic: how come you need so many packages? if you're installing new boxes every day, download the packages to a box of yours and set it up as a source`
`21:35.56`	`Rickdangerous`	`Chetic, you can send stop signal (with a c program) peridically to slow it down. or nodify the source.`
`21:36.01`	`Chetic`	`maher, I need to limit the speed`
`21:36.05`	`Rickdangerous`	`modify*`
`21:36.07`	`deadcat`	`drasko: no. has nothing to do with gdm. has to do with your freakin desktop/window manager.`
`21:36.16`	`jon_`	`ok maher thanks :)`
`21:36.31`	`maher`	`Chetic: what sort of isp wants you to do that? why can't they just cap you themselvs`
`21:36.32`	`Chetic`	`Rickdangerous, I don't know enough C to do that..`
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`21:36.49`	`[Granger]`	`maher: they`
`21:36.50`	`jon_`	`i dont know why xorg is in debian a bit soon`
`21:36.51`	`Chetic`	`maher, It's experimental stuff and I'm sharing this with other people.. it's.. a complicated situation`
`21:36.58`	`[Granger]`	`they're probably hosting if off a wiNME server`
`21:37.04`	`Chetic`	`haha :p`
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`21:37.09`	`Rickdangerous`	`Chetic, what you want is reported to bugs.debian.org as a wishlist bug.`
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`21:37.32`	`Chetic`	`oh so some day I might actually be able to limit my bandwidth?`
`21:37.36`	`FieldySnuts`	`winME and server are an oxymoron`
`21:37.39`	`Chetic`	`Like in 2008? :p`
`21:37.41`	`Rickdangerous`	`Chetic, yes`
`21:37.44`	`deadcat`	`Chetic: yes`
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`21:37.50`	`maher`	`Chetic: use shaper then - or wondershaper is simple and may do what you want`
`21:37.58`	`deadcat`	`Chetic: 2008 July to be exact`
`21:38.02`	`Chetic`	`ok thanks deadcat`
`21:38.03`	`Rickdangerous`	`Chetic, you can sponsor the developers :)`
`21:38.08`	`Chetic`	`maher, is it hard..?`
`21:38.19`	`martin`	`someone care to assist me with gnome, taking an eon to load, fsking thing`
`21:38.19`	`Chetic`	`Rickdangerous, I'm flat broke all summer`
`21:38.24`	`maher`	`Chetic: life is hard`
`21:38.26`	`PeTeRB`	`Chetic: Too bad.`
`21:38.38`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: i doubt he will. he gets in trouble for downloading too much. you think hes gonna sponsor anyone?`
`21:38.46`	`FieldySnuts`	`otherwise, gnome is operating normally`
`21:38.47`	`jethro`	`:be traffic shaping barbie`
`21:38.52`	`Rickdangerous`	`deadcat, heh, true.`
`21:38.54`	`jethro`	`!be traffic shaping barbie`
`21:39.03`	`jethro`	`!lart me`
`21:39.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`@aussiesmite jethro`
`21:39.04`	`ravenbird`	`jethro: cheerio mate`
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`21:39.21`	`jethro`	`is this be a barbie or be barbie?`
`21:39.29`	`jethro`	`dpkg: listval barbie`
`21:39.30`	`Chetic`	`maher, You could just say that it IS hard >_>`
`21:39.31`	`deadcat`	`Chetic: next time you download too much, offer to share your porn with you ISP.`
`21:39.40`	`paulswm`	`!qotd111`
`21:39.40`	`dpkg`	`methinks qotd111 is <Cray2> stoned: take my advice, for GODS SAKE dont use WinME as a router`
`21:39.47`	`Chetic`	`deadcat, He's gay and I don't have any of that :\`
`21:39.52`	`PeTeRB`	`deadcat: Hahahahaha...`
`21:39.52`	`FieldySnuts`	`!gay`
`21:39.55`	`martin`	`wineme is shittest os i have used by ms`
`21:39.58`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg: gay?`
`21:39.59`	`dpkg`	`It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.`
`21:40.05`	`maher`	`Chetic: wondershaper is an easy frontend for shaper but I don't know if it will do what you want - read the docs and find out`
`21:40.06`	`deadcat`	`Chetic: well then you better start downloading more gay porn then`
`21:40.07`	`Chetic`	`:\|`
`21:40.12`	`FieldySnuts`	`lagged bot, sorry, didn't mean to trigger it twice`
`21:40.21`	`Chetic`	`maher, ok it does sound interesting.. thanks`
`21:40.26`	`Chetic`	`deadcat, will do`
`21:40.52`	`martin`	`dpkg, anal stimulation?`
`21:41.11`	`drasko`	`deadcat, since I have very little knowledge on the subject - what is to be a default window manager, and how to check whioch one I am using?`
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`21:41.23`	`sypher`	`hey guys, how can i set the hard disk to shutdown after X minutes of being un-accessed ? someone knowns ?`
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`21:41.26`	`FieldySnuts`	`martin: ask Phated .`
`21:41.33`	`martin`	`lol`
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`21:41.40`	`leri`	`sypher, look at the man page for hdparm`
`21:41.41`	`martin`	`sypher, in ur bios usually`
`21:41.51`	`PeTeRB`	`!ur`
`21:41.51`	`dpkg`	`Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old`
`21:42.09`	`cat`	`hey i have a question my sound card works fine, but when i want to play videos with mplayer it sounds really loud and with totem it sounds real good what seem to be the problem i put the volumes from aumix really low and still the music goes really loud can someone help me please?`
`21:42.11`	`paulswm`	`!aolify martin`
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`21:42.13`	`ciaron`	`if sarge has gone stable, why do updates still appear under apt?`
`21:42.24`	`FieldySnuts`	`it hasn't gone stable yet`
`21:42.37`	`ciaron`	`i mean frozen`
`21:42.42`	`Rickdangerous`	`ciaron, very soon now TM`
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`21:42.58`	`ciaron`	`i meant frozen not stable`
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`21:43.25`	`Rickdangerous`	`!frozen`
`21:43.26`	`dpkg`	`from memory, frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable.`
`21:43.26`	`PeTeRB`	`ciaron: /msg dpkg frozen`
`21:43.37`	`Rickdangerous`	`"only bugs can be fixed"`
`21:43.40`	`ciaron`	`ahh`
`21:43.48`	`ciaron`	`ok ,cheers`
`21:43.51`	`deadcat`	`oh bloody hell`
`21:43.52`	`PeTeRB`	`!tell Pamelaa_xx about away`
`21:43.56`	`paulswm`	`!tell Pamelaa_xx about away`
`21:43.58`	`deadcat`	`PeTeRB: thats a bot`
`21:44.00`	`paulswm`	`HAH`
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`21:44.04`	`binarydigit`	`looks like a nice virus`
`21:44.08`	`deadcat`	`!ops Pamelaa_xx is a fucking bot`
`21:44.09`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Pamelaa_xx is a fucking bot`
`21:44.09`	`cat`	`can someone help me with my issue please?`
`21:44.12`	`Shadur`	`Five bucks says that's a trojan.`
`21:44.27`	`binarydigit`	`id bet more then 5`
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`21:44.34`	`deadcat`	`haha`
`21:44.36`	`Pamelaa_xx`	`no this is movie...)))`
`21:44.46`	`deadcat`	`Pamelaa_xx: go away fucker`
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`21:44.58`	`jethro`	`!ops Pamelaa_xx pr0n spam bot using away to spread the message`
`21:44.59`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Pamelaa_xx pr0n spam bot using away to spread the message`
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`21:45.03`	`jethro`	`gah`
`21:45.07`	`Chetic`	`yeah that was fun..`
`21:45.10`	`jethro`	`I need to go to bed, I dont even read deadcat's ..`
`21:45.12`	`deadcat`	`damn. no ops.. shit on us`
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`21:45.33`	`drasko`	`how to check which window manager am I using?`
`21:45.38`	`emachete`	`hola a todos`
`21:45.39`	`ethics`	`cat: yeah i get that too with mplayer.....i tend to use xine for everything i can because mplayer has no playlist abilities which means everytime a new song/new video starts volume is reset...im sure theres an option somewhere but i tend to use xine for most`
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`21:45.47`	`Rickdangerous`	`!spanish`
`21:45.48`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`21:45.48`	`deadcat`	`drasko: if you dont know. then we dont know`
`21:46.00`	`cat`	`ethics: well with xmms happends the same thing also,`
`21:46.07`	`cat`	`i'm not sure if it's my sound card or something`
`21:46.12`	`deadcat`	`Pamelaa_xx: you are not welcome here. please leave`
`21:46.16`	`jpeg`	`drasko : ps -ef`
`21:46.26`	`binarydigit`	`yea telling him to please leave, that will work`
`21:46.37`	`emachete`	`Hi everybody my name is emerson i fron colombia an d is my first time in irc`
`21:46.39`	`deadcat`	`binarydigit: then you tell me what to do.`
`21:46.48`	`martin`	`emachete, hello`
`21:46.48`	`binarydigit`	`dont use manners`
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`21:46.51`	`ethics`	`cat: that sounds a bit more like your volumes are being reset each start...`
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`21:46.57`	`emachete`	`could you some body help me`
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`21:47.03`	`deadcat`	`emachete: just ask`
`21:47.04`	`cat`	`ethics: i haven't restart =)`
`21:47.07`	`cat`	`that's what's funny`
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`21:47.22`	`Crissi`	`hi`
`21:47.34`	`Rickdangerous`	`cat, happens to me too. I don't care it.`
`21:47.35`	`ethics`	`cat eatch time you start a file....mplayer has no playlist its a new run each file`
`21:47.37`	`FieldySnuts`	`emachete: if you tell us what your problem is, yes. if not, we can't guess`
`21:47.41`	`Crissi`	`i using debian unstable and found a security issue`
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`21:47.50`	`cat`	`brb gonna smoked a cig`
`21:47.50`	`deadcat`	`FieldySnuts: i can guess. but usually way off`
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`21:48.01`	`PeTeRB`	`Crissi: File a bug.`
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`21:48.04`	`Rickdangerous`	`Crissi, bugs.debian.org`
`21:48.06`	`Crissi`	`if running ssh-add i have to enter a passphrase for my key`
`21:48.06`	`jharrison`	`OOOIII`
`21:48.18`	`homer242`	`hello debian !`
`21:48.21`	`jharrison`	`im back from the island mon`
`21:48.21`	`Crissi`	`but its shown as plain text!`
`21:48.23`	`streuner`	`Pamelaa_xx- VERSION running mIRC32/6.16[winXP] - (th/default): on and on and on and`
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`21:48.26`	`Rickdangerous`	`hello world!`
`21:48.42`	`drasko`	`what is default window manger for debian/gnome?`
`21:48.49`	`Crissi`	`Rickdangerous: yes`
`21:48.51`	`deadcat`	`streuner: ya. and we're a bunch of bitches that cant do shit. cus aint no ops here.`
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`21:48.56`	`Crissi`	`can you tr it?`
`21:48.58`	`deadcat`	`drasko: gnome`
`21:49.00`	`streuner`	`drasko: metacity`
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`21:49.42`	`PeTeRB`	`deadcat: #freenode ? :)`
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`21:49.48`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@217.71.51.58] by dondelelcaro`
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`21:49.48`	`*** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro`
`21:49.50`	`drasko`	`deadcat, ?`
`21:49.54`	`binarydigit`	`leet`
`21:49.55`	`PeTeRB`	`Yay`
`21:49.59`	`streuner`	`deadcat: bots usually don't respond for CTCP VERSION...`
`21:50.02`	`FieldySnuts`	`that person has been here before too doing that`
`21:50.07`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: ping`
`21:50.20`	`deadcat`	`streuner: oh`
`21:50.22`	`emachete`	`please some body help me about the tool for use this program`
`21:50.30`	`deadcat`	`PeTeRB: i dont get the #freenode thing.`
`21:50.42`	`deadcat`	`emachete: ask dammit`
`21:50.50`	`deadcat`	`emachete: or try -l option`
`21:50.54`	`FieldySnuts`	`going to #freenode usually is pointless, as it's +m almost all the time`
`21:51.03`	`deadcat`	`FieldySnuts: hahaha.`
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`21:51.05`	`emachete`	`thank you`
`21:51.07`	`PeTeRB`	`deadcat: Aren't there any ircops in #freenode that can kline pornbots?`
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`21:51.13`	`emachete`	`-l`
`21:51.14`	`FieldySnuts`	`sometimes they'll +v you but that's not often`
`21:51.25`	`Crissi`	`Rickdangerous: can try try it?`
`21:51.29`	`FieldySnuts`	`it's the weekend. the fact is many people, including many opers, are off doing other things`
`21:51.29`	`deadcat`	`PeTeRB: oh. i dont know. i only go to #debian and other apps channels`
`21:51.43`	`Rickdangerous`	`Crissi, it didn't want it. but man page says it can`
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`21:51.56`	`jon_`	`does anybody know a no official repository with xorg for debian?`
`21:51.57`	`Rickdangerous`	`Crissi, depends on configuration probably`
`21:51.59`	`PeTeRB`	`deadcat: It's the staff channel :/`
`21:52.03`	`Crissi`	`hm`
`21:52.06`	`Chetic`	`So I mounted an NTFS partition but only root can read from it, how do I let normal users read it?`
`21:52.17`	`deadcat`	`jon_: none. you can use the ubuntu repo.`
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`21:52.20`	`Crissi`	`i havent changed anything but since 1-2 weeks there is so`
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`21:52.35`	`deadcat`	`Chetic: man mount`
`21:52.44`	`Rickdangerous`	`Crissi,don't depend on my word tho...`
`21:53.07`	`bobesponja`	`is there a sarge dvd out there I could grab? I couldn't find one on debian ftp`
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`21:53.12`	`javamaniac`	`to xorg : deb http://helion.xcyb.org/debian-xcyborg/ unstable main`
`21:53.12`	`Crissi`	`there must be some changed in openssh`
`21:53.17`	`TwistedLappy`	`I have come to eat deadcat's children!`
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`21:53.23`	`jon_`	`yeah deadcat , i used it, but always i did apt-get install the system gave me a error wih xfree86`
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`21:53.33`	`jon_`	`it installed the packets rigth, but always that error`
`21:53.39`	`konrad`	`I am very new to linux in general, but I asked someone in #dotgeek about a distro for a celeron 500Mhz mendocino cpu and 64 MB of ram, and he reccomended debian. what do I download to install debian?`
`21:53.40`	`deadcat`	`TwistedLappy: bring it bitch (=`
`21:53.49`	`javamaniac`	`do you apt-get with these??`
`21:53.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`!d-i konrad`
`21:53.51`	`dpkg`	`konrad, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`21:53.53`	`javamaniac`	`deb http://helion.xcyb.org/debian-xcyborg/ unstable main`
`21:54.02`	`TwistedLappy`	`deadcat: hahha... ;)`
`21:54.16`	`deadcat`	`javamaniac: you sure that repo gonna work?`
`21:54.22`	`javamaniac`	`theres missing packages in that repository`
`21:54.23`	`emachete`	`hi`
`21:54.37`	`Rickdangerous`	`!tell emachete about ask`
`21:54.37`	`deadcat`	`emachete: ask your fucking question`
`21:54.40`	`bobesponja`	`anyone about the sarge dvd? :)`
`21:54.46`	`Crissi`	`can some prove what happen running ssh-add?`
`21:54.46`	`FieldySnuts`	`!aussiesmite emachete`
`21:54.47`	`dpkg`	`emachete: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker`
`21:54.56`	`Crissi`	`if the phare is shown in plain text`
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`21:55.01`	`deadcat`	`FieldySnuts: i think emachete is a dumb bot (=`
`21:55.03`	`javamaniac`	`hold on ,you must add another repo`
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`21:55.08`	`javamaniac`	`wait,ill find it`
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`21:55.20`	`deadcat`	`javamaniac: fine a ppc repo for me (=`
`21:55.34`	`konrad`	`dondelelcaro: thank you`
`21:55.41`	`Rickdangerous`	`!fine deadcat`
`21:55.58`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: the bot is affraid of me.`
`21:56.07`	`Rickdangerous`	`heh`
`21:56.07`	`konrad`	`do I have to download 14 CDs?`
`21:56.18`	`deadcat`	`konrad: no. just get the netinstall.`
`21:56.20`	`jetscreamer`	`hey. if i'm going to dhcp after being on a static ip, what do i do in the /etc/hosts file, is hosts automagically updated, or is there some other format for line 2`
`21:56.21`	`maher`	`konrad: no - read the install guide`
`21:56.40`	`konrad`	`I can't net install, no internect connection from the computer I want to install on`
`21:56.41`	`FieldySnuts`	`jetscreamer: nope, hosts is seperate`
`21:56.53`	`deadcat`	`konrad: then download the 14 cds`
`21:57.02`	`javamaniac`	`add this too:http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/kdebase/`
`21:57.11`	`konrad`	`are there any non-required packages/CDs?`
`21:57.16`	`javamaniac`	`there are the missing packages`
`21:57.27`	`maher`	`konrad: just read the install guide`
`21:57.28`	`deadcat`	`konrad: depends what you installing`
`21:57.40`	`konrad`	`the install guide talks about floppies`
`21:57.40`	`TwistedLappy`	`deadcat: USB card works..`
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`21:57.46`	`deadcat`	`TwistedLappy: really?`
`21:57.47`	`TwistedLappy`	`deadcat: I got it working fine...`
`21:57.47`	`jetscreamer`	`so what do i do with the file, my ip is defined in it`
`21:57.51`	`konrad`	`http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install ...`
`21:57.56`	`TwistedLappy`	`deadcat: not as a AP... but normal.`
`21:57.56`	`deadcat`	`TwistedLappy: the crappy $15 right?`
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`21:57.59`	`TwistedLappy`	`deadcat: yeah`
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`21:58.07`	`deadcat`	`TwistedLappy: damn. what driver`
`21:58.16`	`TwistedLappy`	`deadcat: car`
`21:58.20`	`deadcat`	`hahah`
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`21:58.32`	`rue_mohr`	`@find avrdude`
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`21:58.39`	`FieldySnuts`	`!locate warez`
`21:58.43`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh nevermind`
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`21:58.47`	`deadcat`	`rue_mohr: this aint a warez channel`
`21:58.49`	`rue_mohr`	`hah, wha?`
`21:58.50`	`javamaniac`	`hey i need a repo to fbsplash....known too as gensplash`
`21:58.53`	`Rickdangerous`	`!bot abuse`
`21:58.53`	`dpkg`	`Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested.`
`21:58.55`	`FieldySnuts`	`it used to be a factoid`
`21:58.58`	`javamaniac`	`or at least a good howto`
`21:59.01`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm not looking for wheres`
`21:59.04`	`rue_mohr`	`bla`
`21:59.11`	`rue_mohr`	`!find avrdude?`
`21:59.17`	`konrad`	`@find`
`21:59.18`	`deadcat`	`javamaniac: do it yourself. no deb. unless you use ppc then i can give you mine`
`21:59.20`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'avrdude?' returned no results.`
`21:59.21`	`behrouz2005`	`are kde and gnome DEs and WM?`
`21:59.25`	`jetscreamer`	`gee what a helpful manpage...`
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`21:59.27`	`TwistedLappy`	`deadcat: do you really think I would spend hella tiome trying to fix that POS? Im just going to use on windows computer`
`21:59.32`	`PeTeRB`	`rue_mohr: Is 'seen' what you are looking for?`
`21:59.33`	`rue_mohr`	`it seems to not exist on the normal servers...`
`21:59.39`	`deadcat`	`TwistedLappy: hahah.`
`21:59.44`	`rue_mohr`	`I'm looking for the avrdude package`
`21:59.52`	`rue_mohr`	`its for programming atmel chips`
`21:59.53`	`javamaniac`	`jeje`
`21:59.57`	`PeTeRB`	`rue_mohr: Don't put the ? sign there`
`21:59.58`	`konrad`	`wow there are a ton of people here`
`22:00.02`	`rue_mohr`	`!find avrdude`
`22:00.03`	`konrad`	`bye`
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`22:00.10`	`Rickdangerous`	`!bye konrad`
`22:00.12`	`dpkg`	`Cya, konrad`
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`22:00.21`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'avrdude' returned no results.`
`22:00.21`	`FieldySnuts`	`!irritate Rickdangerous`
`22:00.22`	`dpkg`	`Rickdangerous: HELP ME!!! who uses gnome ???/`
`22:00.39`	`rue_mohr`	`bah, what happened to avrdude!!! :(`
`22:00.40`	`Rickdangerous`	`!start a bot war`
`22:00.40`	`TwistedLappy`	`deadcat: I think win2k works faster on my linux computer then it does w/o VMWare...`
`22:00.40`	`dpkg`	`Eggdrops may do TCL but RockBot is smooth`
`22:00.46`	`rue_mohr`	`anyhow, thats what I wanted to know, thanks`
`22:00.48`	`behrouz2005`	`just to get an idea what would be better to install kde or gnome`
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`22:01.04`	`jetscreamer`	`is there a proggy that autoupdates the hosts file, do i even care, should i not care and just use a static local ip instead of experimenting with dhcp, where it the ftm.html`
`22:01.05`	`javamaniac`	`deadcat can u point me to a good howto??i have googled but all of these howtos are crap`
`22:01.17`	`deadcat`	`javamaniac: fbsplash patch or the binary?`
`22:01.18`	`emachete`	`where can i get manual about mono monodevelop`
`22:01.21`	`deadcat`	`javamaniac: spock's page`
`22:01.22`	`jetscreamer`	`behrouz2005: do both, it's no biggie`
`22:01.25`	`emachete`	`please`
`22:01.29`	`jetscreamer`	`behrouz2005: cept the size`
`22:01.40`	`jetscreamer`	`!mono`
`22:01.40`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis`
`22:01.43`	`javamaniac`	`i had patched the kernel`
`22:01.50`	`javamaniac`	`with that patch`
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`22:01.54`	`deadcat`	`javamaniac: you need the binary?`
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`22:02.07`	`javamaniac`	`no........just the rigth way to do it`
`22:02.20`	`Rickdangerous`	`jetscreamer, why don't you just try`
`22:02.27`	`javamaniac`	`the splash goes up with the kernel msg`
`22:02.31`	`deadcat`	`javamaniac: patch. compile. download the fbsplash_util thing. compile that thing. done`
`22:02.34`	`javamaniac`	`dissapear`
`22:02.35`	`paulswm`	`behrouz2005: That is kind of a religious question, I personally prefer gnome but others will disagree :)`
`22:02.50`	`leikh`	`where can i see how many times a partition has been mounted without being checked? and where can i see max mount count?`
`22:02.59`	`javamaniac`	`well that is done`
`22:03.00`	`deadcat`	`javamaniac: dont like bootsplash?`
`22:03.01`	`jetscreamer`	`fsck --help`
`22:03.10`	`Rickdangerous`	`gnome is a better family dekstop.`
`22:03.15`	`PeTeRB`	`OT: Someone has good imagination: http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/9999/pumpabike.mov`
`22:03.17`	`javamaniac`	`thaths worse........`
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`22:03.25`	`Rickdangerous`	`desktop*`
`22:03.39`	`deadcat`	`javamaniac: it works and bootsplash.de has debs.`
`22:03.45`	`paulswm`	`leikh: what filesystem type?`
`22:04.01`	`javamaniac`	`i had patched ......compiled but gives me :jpeg found.but framebuffer cant handle it`
`22:04.05`	`leikh`	`paulswm: ext2`
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`22:04.43`	`javamaniac`	`but loks like gensplash is better than bootdplash`
`22:04.49`	`plasmatics`	`how can i forcefully remove a corrupt package?`
`22:04.51`	`javamaniac`	`looks`
`22:05.01`	`deadcat`	`plasmatics: dpkg -P packagename`
`22:05.04`	`paulswm`	`leikh: tune2fs -l (as root)`
`22:05.04`	`javamaniac`	`sorry for mi english`
`22:05.05`	`drasko`	`anyone know how to make theme without the X button?`
`22:05.23`	`sparr`	`I am talking to someone who is using (supposedly 'the' standard) dhcpd and dns to administer a LAN. When a windows machine requests an IP the machine's name is automagically inserted into the dns tables. I need to know how that is done, and what I need to do to my linux dhcp client (which i am flexible in selecting) to enable the same functionality.`
`22:05.28`	`deadcat`	`drasko: its not a fucking theme. its your window/desktop behaviour`
`22:05.30`	`Rickdangerous`	`drasko, X button?`
`22:05.45`	`plasmatics`	`deadcat: thanks`
`22:05.50`	`Chetic`	`maher, what was the name of that application you told me about?`
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`22:06.02`	`drasko`	`Rickdangerous, shutdown button`
`22:06.08`	`PeTeRB`	`drasko: You know, there's a quit option in the File menu for Firefox`
`22:06.21`	`deadcat`	`drasko: you're hopeless.`
`22:06.27`	`paulswm`	`leikh: append the partition to the tune2fs command, of course`
`22:06.45`	`PeTeRB`	`drasko: I think that if you can't code, you're out of luck. Unless you get someone to do that for you.`
`22:06.48`	`Rickdangerous`	`drasko, you need kiosk mode. search for gnome or kde kiosk features.`
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`22:07.12`	`Rickdangerous`	`drasko, latest kde was good on this rspect IIRC`
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`22:07.28`	`leikh`	`paulswm: i've used tune2fs before, but i never found out that i could do other things than just enter new setting (i.e: not show current settings and status)`
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`22:07.51`	`behrouz2005`	`kde comes with mozilla right?`
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`22:08.04`	`Rickdangerous`	`behrouz2005, konqueror, of course`
`22:08.17`	`paulswm`	`leikh: then you're no doubt happy to find out :)`
`22:08.24`	`bj`	`how can i tell why a particular package is getting pulled in on a dist-upgrade using aptitude?`
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`22:08.33`	`leikh`	`paulswm: ok :-)`
`22:08.37`	`leikh`	`paulswm: thx`
`22:08.47`	`paulswm`	`leikh: you're welcome :)`
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`22:09.52`	`drasko`	`Rickdangerous, I tried that, but kde kiosk gives you about as much options as you can derive from locking gnome... It is not satisfactory for me. And yes, it can be done within a gnome theme, and yes again, only by small changes to xml - so, let's say without coding. But seems like no one ever here tried this...`
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`22:10.06`	`leri`	`i am very happy now. i bought this motherboard yesterday, an msi rs480m2-il, without sufficiently researching it. i just got everything to work in debian without too much modification by going to the 2.6.11 package for amd64-k8 and downloading the extremely new ati drivers for the chipset`
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`22:10.36`	`leri`	`though i did delve through months of reports of the motherboard not having supported video or audio`
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`22:10.56`	`Rickdangerous`	`drasko, well then, I'm sorry to hear that.`
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`22:11.32`	`Rickdangerous`	`by the way that pump bike is very nice.`
`22:11.45`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: you need to see my setup... it's funking sexy...`
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`22:12.01`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: how do you make a screenshot in linux?`
`22:12.05`	`TwistedEmotions`	`*take`
`22:12.06`	`Zothar`	`sparr: Windows sends a dynamic DNS update to the DNS server after receiving it's lease from DHCP. It may be built in, but I use a self written script called by the DHCP client software when it gets and loses a lease to do the appropriate dns update`
`22:12.15`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: install scrot`
`22:12.23`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: pic me (=`
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`22:13.06`	`sparr`	`Zothar: whats a dynamic dns update? can you give me that script? i dont think its the solution im looking for :(`
`22:14.04`	`tarzeau`	`it's 6.6.2005 here now`
`22:14.09`	`Rickdangerous`	`drasko, you may have better luck at #kde or #gnome`
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`22:14.19`	`Rickdangerous`	`tarzeau, so?`
`22:14.20`	`behrouz2005`	`i'm running windows as the primary OS and using vmware to run linux, i'm guessing installing KDE would slow down my cpu considerably`
`22:14.35`	`tarzeau`	`Rickdangerous: WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD SARGE STABLE DEBIAN LINOOOOOOX?`
`22:14.39`	`TwistedEmotions`	`scrot -b /home/linux/test.jpg ? Is that right syntex?`
`22:14.41`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: ping`
`22:14.44`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: pong ;)`
`22:14.47`	`Rickdangerous`	`tarzeau, heh forgot that`
`22:14.51`	`drasko`	`Rickdangerous, thanks... I am at #gnome already...`
`22:14.53`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: Does it save as jpb files or what?`
`22:14.56`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: just got back from the island mon`
`22:14.59`	`Rickdangerous`	`drasko, you ar welcome`
`22:15.00`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: I just knew you were going to say that :P`
`22:15.06`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: got cooler full of fish`
`22:15.16`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: heh ;)`
`22:15.24`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: either jpg or png. dont remember`
`22:15.31`	`TwistedEmotions`	`kk`
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`22:15.43`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: my cousins just shipped out 20 thousand pounds and they put some aside for us`
`22:15.48`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: you've missed fantastic bubble bobble plays`
`22:15.50`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: just scrot -s, then click on the empty workspace.`
`22:15.51`	`pissed`	`I've asked this before, but whats a good brand name for cheap entry level servers? dell? compay? ibm?`
`22:15.55`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: thats ok`
`22:15.56`	`jharrison`	`:-P`
`22:16.01`	`Rickdangerous`	`tarzeau, the rc bug count is not bad. :)`
`22:16.02`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: -bs is good options.`
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`22:16.12`	`emachete`	`men last question I have mono 1.04 and I wanna update to 1.1.7 i used apt-get install mono but my mono is the same how can i update my mono`
`22:16.13`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: rather swim in nice beaches and look at blue holes etc...`
`22:16.15`	`Rickdangerous`	`bad shape...`
`22:16.21`	`tarzeau`	`Rickdangerous: WHERE CAN I DOWNLOOOD LINOOOOX?`
`22:16.33`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: blue holes?`
`22:16.38`	`Rickdangerous`	`heh`
`22:16.38`	`zOap`	`!night`
`22:16.38`	`dpkg`	`gnight`
`22:16.41`	`paulswm`	`!irritate tarzeau`
`22:16.41`	`dpkg`	`tarzeau: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses cable hello?`
`22:16.44`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: yeah 600+ feet deep`
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`22:16.55`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: can you make that meters?`
`22:16.56`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: and you can jump into it from the cliffs above`
`22:17.00`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: sure`
`22:17.15`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: about 200 meters`
`22:17.17`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, how much centimeters a feet is?`
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`22:17.25`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: approx 190 meters I expect`
`22:17.26`	`emachete`	`how can I update my mono from 1.04 to 1.1.7`
`22:17.32`	`paulswm`	`1 inch == 2.54 cm`
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`22:17.42`	`crylyx`	`hi, i used to have a different language installed on my sarge system. i reconfigured the locales and using now us english only. some apps keep appearing in the old language (for example, nano, apt-messages..) how can i fix this?`
`22:17.45`	`Zothar`	`sparr: The script merely grabs the IP address passed by the DHCP client (I use pump) and creates a temporary file with the commands to /usr/bin/nsupdate to make the changes. In your case, the hostname being updated would be in the script rather than in a gui somewhere like Windows uses. The DNS server would have to allow the DNS update, of course.`
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`22:17.58`	`chealer`	`emachete: 1.1.7 is not packaged`
`22:18.02`	`Rickdangerous`	`paulswm, I know that :)`
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`22:18.13`	`sparr`	`Zothar: right. it wont. this is some setup between the dhcpd and the dns server that does it automatically`
`22:18.28`	`sparr`	`Zothar: im being told its a "standard" linux dhcpd and dns and that no funky configuration has been done`
`22:18.30`	`tarzeau`	`Rickdangerous: I HAVE 10 INCHES!`
`22:18.30`	`paulswm`	`Rickdangerous: well 1 foot = 12 * 2.54 cm`
`22:18.36`	`Rickdangerous`	`and I know a sea mile is longer than land mile.`
`22:18.38`	`tarzeau`	`and two feet!`
`22:18.40`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: about 32`
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`22:18.44`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: email it to you?`
`22:18.48`	`Chetic`	`maher, you have no idea how incredibly thankful I am.. wondershaper is incredibly easy, I can just tell it what my bandwidth should be and it works! Thank you, Thaaank you! cries`
`22:18.53`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: upload it somewhere (=`
`22:18.53`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, paulswm ok thanks`
`22:18.59`	`paulswm`	`Rickdangerous: yw`
`22:19.05`	`maher`	`Chetic: cool - I'm gald something worked`
`22:19.09`	`Cyberax`	`just how unreliable is debian sid, is it so unstable that you wouldnt even use it as say a workstation?`
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`22:19.10`	`Rickdangerous`	`tarzeau, 10 inches of tongue :P`
`22:19.28`	`paulswm`	`!unstable`
`22:19.28`	`dpkg`	`hmm... unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid`
`22:19.34`	`Rickdangerous`	`Cyberax, if you don't make serious job on it it's suitable.`
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`22:19.40`	`maher`	`Cyberax: i use sid on a regular basis - why not use sarge though`
`22:19.41`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: saw a baracuda on the island`
`22:19.48`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: about 2 feet long`
`22:19.52`	`ethics`	`sparr: are you sure it's not happening automatically? I dont even have a dhcp address and my dumbass 2k server still picks me up in the pool as a lease np.`
`22:19.58`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: small one but big enough to take a finger off`
`22:20.08`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, they sell it at fish shops here`
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`22:20.18`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: where is here`
`22:20.28`	`Rickdangerous`	`I'm trying the remeber of the sea`
`22:20.28`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: and also they sell it here but its AT YOUR OWN RISK!`
`22:20.29`	`Zothar`	`sparr: so you're saying the DHCP server talks to the DNS server rather than the DHCP client talking to the DNS server? The Windows DHCP client is the one doing the talking (I always turned it off at my previous employer because we ran static assigned IPs handed out with DHCP)`
`22:20.34`	`plasmatics`	`deadcat: how could I remove a corrupt package if it can't be found? I'm trying to install an application but it needs to remove another one in order to install, but that one is currupt. How would I get rid of it?`
`22:20.35`	`Rickdangerous`	`Italy spain etc.`
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`22:20.48`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: baracuda here can be poisonous and make you sick`
`22:20.51`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: sounds dangerous`
`22:20.52`	`deadcat`	`plasmatics: apt-get install -f dont help?`
`22:20.56`	`paulswm`	`Rickdangerous: mediterranean?`
`22:20.57`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: which does?`
`22:20.59`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, I know that`
`22:21.02`	`crylyx`	`hi, i used to have a different language installed on my sarge system. i reconfigured the locales and using now us english only. some apps keep appearing in the old language (for example, nano, apt-messages..) how can i fix this?`
`22:21.07`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: find aplace to upload? try lynucs.org`
`22:21.07`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: barrrracudaaaa`
`22:21.09`	`Rickdangerous`	`paulswm, yes`
`22:21.13`	`sparr`	`Zothar: yes. after the client gets an address from the dhcpd, the dhcpd tells the dns the client's hostname and ip`
`22:21.16`	`Rickdangerous`	`mediterranean scuba`
`22:21.19`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: mediterranean`
`22:21.19`	`sparr`	`Zothar: i have no idea how that works`
`22:21.21`	`jharrison`	`?`
`22:21.26`	`Rickdangerous`	`er s/scuba/baraccuda`
`22:21.28`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: too late... uploading nopw..`
`22:21.30`	`TwistedEmotions`	`*now`
`22:21.30`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: damn. upload it to the server. (=`
`22:21.33`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: but that's nothing against the DRAGOOOOONS we have here`
`22:21.33`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: yes but it is the sweetest fish in the oceans`
`22:21.50`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: when grilled?`
`22:21.56`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, even my girlfriend can hubt it with a speargun :)`
`22:22.00`	`Rickdangerous`	`hunt*`
`22:22.01`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: when cooked anyway`
`22:22.03`	`TwistedEmotions`	`http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/bc/7e4ef0af_L404a5b72/bc/2005-06-05-151757_1280x960_scrot.png?BCn83oCBA5kfFcvH`
`22:22.08`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: ^^^6`
`22:22.19`	`Cyberax`	`maher, I probably will end up using sarge I just like playing around with new software`
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`22:22.26`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: damn. fluxbox (=`
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`22:22.33`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: oh wait`
`22:22.38`	`nse`	`hey, my name is nse`
`22:22.40`	`Overfiend`	`gravity: still here`
`22:22.41`	`Overfiend`	`?`
`22:22.42`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: yeah... didnt like openbox...`
`22:22.44`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: haha. ya. fluxbox. heheh.`
`22:22.45`	`Cyberax`	`which reminds me is x.org 6.8.2 available via apt for sarge?`
`22:22.49`	`nazgul`	`* where is the debian (sarge) autoconf macro directory ??`
`22:22.57`	`maher`	`Cyberax: ask dpkg about chroot`
`22:23.02`	`Cyberax`	`I hear it had all sorts of nice features`
`22:23.11`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: there are loads of flux themes online. some nice too.`
`22:23.27`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: you have dragons to eat?`
`22:23.31`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: with vmware too eh? (=`
`22:23.43`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: ;) You love it... see windows 2k in corner playing yahoo.launch music videos?`
`22:23.50`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: heh, not really`
`22:24.01`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: hahah. just to use that thing (=`
`22:24.08`	`TwistedEmotions`	`yup..`
`22:24.19`	`emachete`	`chealer but my question is I wanna use WinForms whit my mono 1.0.4 it's possible..?`
`22:24.40`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I cant get fucking launch to work on linux... so bypassed the problem.. ;) Plus now I can play on pokerstars ;) Weeee..`
`22:24.53`	`TwistedEmotions`	`The only 2 reasons why I need windows ^^^`
`22:24.56`	`emachete`	`my question is I wanna use WinForms whit my mono 1.0.4 it's possible..?`
`22:25.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`but now I dont need windows anymore ;)`
`22:25.11`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: hehe.`
`22:25.19`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: http://www.keyshistory.org/fish-great-barracuda.jpg == sweetest fish in the sea/ugliest most vicious bastard`
`22:25.21`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, where dou you live, or talking about.`
`22:25.26`	`chealer`	`emachete: no idea, I don'T use mono. ask #mono if it was possible in 1.1.6 or read the changelog, maybe`
`22:25.26`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: bahamas`
`22:25.35`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: ill have pictures of my trip soon`
`22:25.39`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, do you do spearfishing?`
`22:25.45`	`Zothar`	`sparr: it seems you're looking to use ISC's dhcpd (I believe that's the dhcpd package in Debian IIRC) with the "ddns-update-style" and related options, though I've never done it, so I don't know the details beyond what the docs say`
`22:25.58`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: yes I sure do`
`22:26.01`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: they look better when grilled`
`22:26.03`	`ethics`	`sparr: why do you want dns dynamic updates?`
`22:26.04`	`giupy`	`i use a precompiled kernel 2.6.8 and i still recive this msg "localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode" and pc goes too slow, must i recompile kernel for toggle it ?`
`22:26.12`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, you ar very lucky to live there :)`
`22:26.12`	`emachete`	`thank you chealer see you body`
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`22:26.15`	`Rickdangerous`	`are*`
`22:26.20`	`sparr`	`ethics: i dont want it. the LAN im going to be on uses it, so i need to know how it works`
`22:26.34`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: you like grilled foods dont you`
`22:26.42`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: sure i do`
`22:26.48`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: me too`
`22:26.53`	`plasmatics`	`deadcat: in reply to "`
`22:26.53`	`plasmatics`	`deadcat plasmatics: apt-get install -f dont help?" no it doesn't help`
`22:27.02`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: fluxbox has something called fbrun`
`22:27.02`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: most foods are good grilled`
`22:27.10`	`sparr`	`Zothar: thanks, i shall investigate that`
`22:27.13`	`Zothar`	`sparr: "ddns-update-style interim;" seems to be the appropriate line`
`22:27.28`	`deadcat`	`plasmatics: then i dont know unless i have access to the machine. i am not really good at irc fixing problem (=`
`22:27.32`	`Zothar`	`sparr: in your /etc/dhcpd.conf (or similarly named) file`
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`22:27.39`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: yeah, and tarzeau is best when in bed`
`22:27.47`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: yeah got it install... but I dont know if that is any less annoying...`
`22:27.50`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, are all fish are toxic or just the fish eating others?`
`22:27.52`	`tarzeau`	`i'm tired like hell, g'night`
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`22:27.58`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: thats not my business`
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`22:28.05`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: if I want to run programs like that then I need to connect it to a hotkey somehow..`
`22:28.06`	`ethics`	`sparr: 2k/xp tell dns who they are so active directory can do revese lookups. no reason other than microsoft wanting to make AD look speccy ....its actually something microsoft tell you to turn off before they actually got sp2 working right..`
`22:28.06`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: it wasn't an invitation`
`22:28.11`	`sparr`	`Zothar: well, im not so much interested in how to make dhcpd work, im trying to make my dhclient/dhcpcd work WITH a dhcpd configured that way`
`22:28.13`	`plasmatics`	`deadcat: ok, i understand, thanks for the help anyway`
`22:28.13`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: no most fish are not toxic`
`22:28.13`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: map a key run launch fbrun, then you can type xchat in there and it opens`
`22:28.21`	`drmoreirarangel`	`anyone knows the brazilian debian chanel`
`22:28.25`	`sparr`	`ethics: im not talking about my computer talking to the dns`
`22:28.26`	`drmoreirarangel`	`pvt me`
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`22:28.27`	`paulswm`	`!br`
`22:28.27`	`dpkg`	`Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`22:28.28`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: just the giant barracudas and the giant jacks`
`22:28.46`	`drmoreirarangel`	`tks`
`22:28.47`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: map a key run launch ? yeah thats the problem.. if I knew how to do that it would be easy ;)`
`22:28.53`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: to test we put the fish out and if the flies come to it its safe to eat and if even the flies wont eat it then its bad`
`22:28.56`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: ya.hotkeys. i use xbindkeys so it doesnt depend of the window manager. this way i can use xbindkeys on open/flux/xxx box`
`22:29.01`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, yes because they are at the top of the pyramid`
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`22:29.10`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: let me find my fluxbox configs`
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`22:29.11`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, is that dependable?`
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`22:29.26`	`tarzeau`	`paulswm: haha`
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`22:29.34`	`paulswm`	`tarzeau: :D`
`22:29.38`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: sure`
`22:29.41`	`maher`	`jharrison: flies will eat things that will make you sick`
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`22:29.57`	`jharrison`	`maher: ok`
`22:30.01`	`green_earz`	`hi all the jigdo images have just been update to debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.jigdo so am i right in think sarge is now stable ?`
`22:30.14`	`maher`	`jharrison: feed it to the cats first :)`
`22:30.22`	`jharrison`	`maher: that also is a good test`
`22:30.26`	`Rickdangerous`	`jharrison, what was the cause of the toxication of the sea?`
`22:30.28`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: under my server /config/home/deadcat/.fluxbox`
`22:30.38`	`maher`	`jharrison: as long as you are not too attached to your cats...`
`22:30.43`	`jharrison`	`bahamians have used the fly test for a long time without a bad test yet`
`22:30.56`	`paulswm`	`I guess the hint didn't take.`
`22:31.01`	`shingouz`	`jharrison: you serious about that test?`
`22:31.12`	`jharrison`	`Rickdangerous: well seems to be rust and other types of polutions`
`22:31.15`	`jharrison`	`shingouz: yes`
`22:31.20`	`Rickdangerous`	`hm`
`22:31.24`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: Err.. what was your server again?`
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`22:31.37`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.fluxbox`
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`22:31.47`	`shingouz`	`jharrison: that is yet another thing that is good to know. the test i mean`
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`22:32.11`	`jharrison`	`shingouz: the cat test is also used and good but again only if you are not attached to the cat`
`22:32.11`	`Sinthgunt`	`okokokoko`
`22:32.14`	`jharrison`	`:)`
`22:32.15`	`Sinthgunt`	`jijijii`
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`22:32.21`	`jharrison`	`my wife would freak out if I tried the test on the cats`
`22:32.30`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: look at this: http://upsilon.free.fr/md9438/keys.html`
`22:32.42`	`ethics`	`sparr: i think youll find that the dns server doesnt speak to dhcp directly...itll be netbios/dhcp client making the dns updates......in fact on windows 2000/XP its under advanced in your tcp/ip settings...`
`22:32.48`	`shingouz`	`jharrison: i am not attached to cats, i am a dog person myself :p`
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`22:34.06`	`sparr`	`ethics: i think you should read what zothar said :)`
`22:34.10`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: better example here: http://tabo.aurealsys.com/code/fluxbox-keys.html`
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`22:35.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: I got it... but I cant find .fluxbox on my computer..`
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`22:35.19`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: brb`
`22:35.22`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: weird. create it yourself.`
`22:35.35`	`Sinthgunt`	`hola a toos los weones`
`22:35.50`	`emachete`	`the last question**** i need use my linux lan like windows nt ,that everybody loggion and the server confurate his permisions..?`
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`22:36.00`	`Sinthgunt`	`hi`
`22:36.05`	`keber`	`oa! :)`
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`22:36.22`	`asker`	`hi`
`22:36.23`	`Sinthgunt`	`holaaa`
`22:36.38`	`keber`	`hi all there`
`22:36.38`	`_borg_`	`hi`
`22:36.39`	`asker`	`when i write "ls" on command line it show file that begin .`
`22:36.42`	`Sinthgunt`	`hablan espa�ol`
`22:36.47`	`_borg_`	`algunos`
`22:36.52`	`paulswm`	`!es`
`22:36.52`	`asker`	`i don't want to see files that begin "."`
`22:36.53`	`Sinthgunt`	`no entienden ni carajo`
`22:36.53`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`22:36.58`	`asker`	`what should i do ?`
`22:37.07`	`keber`	`thnks! :)`
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`22:37.28`	`Sinthgunt`	`ya po chaooooooooooooo`
`22:37.43`	`dobby`	`hello has someone of you guys experience with illuminated keyboards on debian linux ?`
`22:37.52`	`yonkel-lappy`	`Sinthgunt: po cha?`
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`22:38.01`	`Sinthgunt`	`como jue?`
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`22:38.04`	`Sinthgunt`	`no cache`
`22:38.12`	`robin_sz`	`asker: are you SURE it shows files begining . ? normslly only with ls -a you see htose (except . and .. of course)`
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`22:38.23`	`drasko`	`where is supposed to be xinitrc?`
`22:38.38`	`shingouz`	`dobby: they should work jsut like any other keyboard`
`22:38.57`	`robin_sz`	`definition: cachew ... a nut that makes you sneeze.`
`22:39.03`	`abrotman`	`cashew`
`22:39.03`	`Zothar`	`sparr: unless the dhcpd/DHCP server has a hostname configured for your machine, it's probably based on the hostname passed by the client to the DHCP server.`
`22:39.06`	`dobby`	`shingouz: it is working but i have no backlight on the keys`
`22:39.11`	`abrotman`	`bad joke`
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`22:39.20`	`shingouz`	`dobby: you sure the keyboard is ok?`
`22:39.23`	`robin_sz`	`and a pistachio ... is ?`
`22:39.30`	`paulswm`	`Heh`
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`22:39.35`	`abrotman`	`robin_sz: this is not joke hour`
`22:39.38`	`dobby`	`it is on windoze it is working`
`22:39.44`	`robin_sz`	`abrotman: oh, when is that?`
`22:39.49`	`paulswm`	`!irritate abrotman`
`22:39.49`	`dpkg`	`abrotman: HELP ME!!! who uses sound !!!1`
`22:39.55`	`abrotman`	`robin_sz: thursday from 3-4 AM`
`22:39.58`	`dobby`	`shingouz: it is on windoze it is working`
`22:39.58`	`abrotman`	`EST of course`
`22:40.00`	`shingouz`	`dobby: weird. it should work without any oddities`
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`22:40.18`	`dobby`	`shingouz: hmm thats strange`
`22:40.19`	`paulswm`	`!explode`
`22:40.19`	`dpkg`	`BOOOM`
`22:40.45`	`sparr`	`Zothar: and where is that hostname passed?`
`22:40.50`	`robin_sz`	`abrotman: well, that is as may be, but we have a new series of "im sorry I havent a clue" on the radio, and you need to be subjected to the jokes once in a while`
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`22:41.02`	`abrotman`	`robin_sz: no i don't`
`22:41.08`	`shingouz`	`dobby: i have no clue why it doest work unless the keyboard has some real odd connectins inside. afaik they just tap the usb (or PS/2) for power for the leds`
`22:41.13`	`Rickdangerous`	`robin_sz, I love pistachio.`
`22:41.15`	`Zothar`	`sparr: looking, don't use it myself but have written a DHCP server in Python, so I know it's in the protocol`
`22:41.17`	`paulswm`	`robin_sz: They're broadcasting #mepis on the radio?`
`22:41.26`	`paulswm`	`:P`
`22:41.36`	`sparr`	`Zothar: im guessing maybe windows sticks it in the client_identifier option field`
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`22:41.49`	`mac_hack`	`Hi all`
`22:42.33`	`Rickdangerous`	`!hi all`
`22:42.34`	`dpkg`	`Long days and pleasant nights, sai all!`
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`22:43.15`	`Zothar`	`sparr: I could tell you exactly, but it's been awhile since I've looked directly at the packets sent by Windows :)`
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`22:44.42`	`Zothar`	`sparr: it looks like the -h and -I options to dhcpcd might be for setting the sent hostname and sent client-ID, though I'm not sure the man page I found on the web is for ISC dhcpcd, so you might want to check your documentation`
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`22:45.34`	`sparr`	`i shall`
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`22:47.41`	`joel_`	`how can I get a small shell script to be executed whenever anyone logs in via ssh?`
`22:47.45`	`Rickdangerous`	`sarge is released`
`22:47.47`	`Rickdangerous`	`:)`
`22:47.54`	`thayboiMu`	`wow`
`22:47.54`	`robin_sz`	`w00t!`
`22:47.55`	`thayboiMu`	`really?`
`22:47.57`	`thayboiMu`	`:D`
`22:47.57`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: you lie to me and i will kill you`
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`22:48.01`	`thayboiMu`	`haha`
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`22:48.02`	`Rickdangerous`	`calc Rickdangerous: the cd images are already being generated`
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`22:48.19`	`brlancer`	`if two apps are using the same shared lib, each one loads it separately and creates a separate footprint, right? they're not sharing mem space for it`
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`22:48.52`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: I edited the file... do I need to logout/login for it to see new settings?`
`22:48.53`	`robin_sz`	`sigh .. I would run an update on my mailserver .. but the fscker fell over earlier today and no colo staff till the morning`
`22:49.04`	`spacelobster`	`when I try to join #java, I getan error message, "you must be identified to join that channel". I am spacelobster! isn't that my identity? what does this error mean?`
`22:49.05`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: just restart flux from the menu`
`22:49.05`	`robin_sz`	`it never fell over when I ran RedHat`
`22:49.33`	`robin_sz`	`ha missed`
`22:49.33`	`Rickdangerous`	`guys prepara to party.`
`22:49.40`	`Rickdangerous`	`prepare*`
`22:49.41`	`deadcat`	`robin_sz: i know )=`
`22:49.44`	`quittt`	`Rickdangerous, why?`
`22:49.51`	`deadcat`	`!moron Rickdangerous`
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`22:49.52`	`dpkg`	`Rickdangerous: You are moron #53`
`22:49.55`	`chealer`	`Rickdangerous: please give me a break`
`22:49.56`	`robin_sz`	`this is a good day :)`
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`22:50.08`	`quittt`	`tomorrow Sarge will be released?`
`22:50.15`	`Rickdangerous`	`quittt yes probably`
`22:50.16`	`deadcat`	`robin_sz: its a good day when orielly is hit by a drunk driver`
`22:50.25`	`Rickdangerous`	`quittt CD's are being prepared.`
`22:50.27`	`robin_sz`	`yew.`
`22:50.41`	`robin_sz`	`deadcat: as in the books?`
`22:50.47`	`deadcat`	`robin_sz: ya. that fucker (=`
`22:50.47`	`wharever`	`tommorrow at what time?`
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`22:50.51`	`eddyp`	`the cds and dvd img are ready`
`22:50.57`	`deadcat`	`eddyp: link`
`22:51.01`	`gpm`	`wharever: when it's ready....`
`22:51.03`	`eddyp`	`ftp-master stuff is almost ready`
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`22:51.08`	`wharever`	`:$`
`22:51.08`	`robin_sz`	`deadcat: but .. they are nice books .. and several friends earn a decent living as authors ...`
`22:51.10`	`Rickdangerous`	`SARGE`
`22:51.16`	`Rickdangerous`	`is about to be released.`
`22:51.23`	`deadcat`	`robin_sz: not to me...`
`22:51.30`	`shingouz`	`Rickdangerous: yeah yeah yeah..`
`22:51.33`	`robin_sz`	`deadcat: although, one did defect to Manning recently`
`22:51.34`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: shh. shut the fuck up`
`22:51.39`	`thayboiMu`	`haha`
`22:51.42`	`eddyp`	`deadcat: see topic on -devel`
`22:51.42`	`Rickdangerous`	`heh no one will beleive it now :)`
`22:51.42`	`deadcat`	`robin_sz: hehe.`
`22:51.47`	`thayboiMu`	`i can't wait for sarge`
`22:51.57`	`deadcat`	`eddyp: eh. sarge dont concern me much (=`
`22:52.11`	`Rickdangerous`	`deadcat, well this is important news so I suggest you ythe same.`
`22:52.25`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: i dont hvae a server so not to me`
`22:52.30`	`Rickdangerous`	`deadcat, it's`
`22:52.40`	`Rickdangerous`	`imprtant for Debian.`
`22:52.42`	`robin_sz`	`well, the ones above and below it seem fine, so I assume its is not on fire :)`
`22:52.44`	`eddyp`	`Rickdangerous: stop lying to people`
`22:52.47`	`eddyp`	`Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 25`
`22:52.48`	`deadcat`	`maybe i should upgrade my chroot woody on the machines (=`
`22:52.59`	`Rickdangerous`	`eddyp, well this is what I have heard`
`22:53.09`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: stop spreading gossip .. it will be done when it's done`
`22:53.11`	`Rickdangerous`	`eddul, from calc`
`22:53.14`	`abrotman`	`not before .. not after`
`22:53.25`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, ok you are right`
`22:53.28`	`Rickdangerous`	`ok`
`22:53.31`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: ya. its just debian. calm the fuck down.`
`22:53.41`	`eddyp`	`the _projected_ release is monday`
`22:53.43`	`Rickdangerous`	`but i would be rekleased on 6.6.2005`
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`22:53.46`	`robin_sz`	`oh, so that wasnt a fact then?`
`22:53.56`	`cormster`	`it's 5 mins to monday`
`22:53.59`	`Rickdangerous`	`it's monday here :)`
`22:54.08`	`abrotman`	`could have sworn it was sunday`
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`22:54.12`	`robin_sz`	`ah feck, so its just a hope. damn.`
`22:54.24`	`Rickdangerous`	`01:54 Jun 6`
`22:54.30`	`paulswm`	`abrotman: three words: international date line`
`22:54.34`	`eddyp`	`you might want to start throwing stuff at me ... I found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=312086`
`22:54.34`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: its july here.`
`22:54.40`	`abrotman`	`paulswm: EST!`
`22:54.40`	`Rickdangerous`	`5 minutes...`
`22:54.44`	`Rickdangerous`	`deadcat, yeah`
`22:54.47`	`robin_sz`	`est wtf is that?`
`22:54.48`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: shutup`
`22:54.50`	`paulswm`	`abrotman: EDT!!!`
`22:54.54`	`robin_sz`	`GMT, the one true way`
`22:54.58`	`Rickdangerous`	`deadcat, stop it`
`22:55.04`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: you stop it. damn you`
`22:55.10`	`abrotman`	`5 minutes until what ?`
`22:55.12`	`eddyp`	`GMT+/- that is the only way`
`22:55.14`	`Rickdangerous`	`deadcat, no you stop it haha`
`22:55.23`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: bring it bitch`
`22:55.26`	`Rickdangerous`	`deadcat, beacuse I've already`
`22:55.29`	`paulswm`	`!singlishsmite Rickdangerous`
`22:55.30`	`robin_sz`	`deadcat: may I light your flamethrower for you?`
`22:55.30`	`dpkg`	`Rickdangerous: Still say some more! Whack you then you know!`
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`22:55.32`	`cormster`	`it's 5 mins to monday`
`22:55.36`	`abrotman`	`god .. both of you shut the fuck up`
`22:55.41`	`deadcat`	`robin_sz: knock yourself out (=`
`22:55.59`	`eddyp`	`Rickdangerous: here _is_ already monday for 2 hours`
`22:56.00`	`Rickdangerous`	`!start a bar fight`
`22:56.04`	`robin_sz`	`kewl, high octane flame party!`
`22:56.09`	`eddyp`	`errr`
`22:56.19`	`eddyp`	`cormster: I meant`
`22:56.21`	`Rickdangerous`	`eddyp, well UTC time matters probably`
`22:56.22`	`seldon`	`It seems we all learned a valuable lesson about timezones just now.`
`22:56.34`	`robin_sz`	`no,`
`22:56.36`	`deadcat`	`debian is out when i say its out.`
`22:56.40`	`eddyp`	`NOPE, RC counts :D`
`22:56.41`	`robin_sz`	`soem of us knew already`
`22:56.48`	`paulswm`	`Heh, seldon`
`22:56.50`	`ethics`	`im already 9 hours into monday and i wish it wasnt......`
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`22:57.00`	`Rickdangerous`	`eddyp, but release guy said he will remove packages`
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`22:57.13`	`Rickdangerous`	`eddyp, and he didn't postpone yhis time`
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`22:57.21`	`Rickdangerous`	`s/he/they`
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`22:57.27`	`eddyp`	`Rickdangerous: _if_ no fix is found`
`22:57.44`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: just stop ..`
`22:57.54`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, hey this on topic`
`22:58.00`	`Rickdangerous`	`I'm discussing`
`22:58.06`	`robin_sz`	`speculating`
`22:58.06`	`Rickdangerous`	`no more rumours`
`22:58.15`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: doesn't mateter .. you're not the RM .. DPL or a developer afaik .. you're totally specualating .. just stop`
`22:58.16`	`deadcat`	`abrotman: he thinks that the release is gonna change his fucking life or something`
`22:58.20`	`Rickdangerous`	`yes beacuse monday is the relase day!`
`22:58.28`	`robin_sz`	`projected ...`
`22:58.38`	`robin_sz`	`noting special happens you know`
`22:58.45`	`abrotman`	`nothing also`
`22:58.47`	`robin_sz`	`a couple of symlinks get changed`
`22:58.51`	`robin_sz`	`thats about it`
`22:58.54`	`Rickdangerous`	`robin_sz, everybody thinks it will be postponed again`
`22:58.54`	`deadcat`	`robin_sz: hahah (=`
`22:58.57`	`shingouz`	`Rickdangerous: we all know that sarge will release soon, we have waited that to happen quite some time. all that means that we are capable of waiting a bit more. go fly a kite for a while, ok ;)`
`22:59.13`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: good .. i hope it is .. less bugs is better`
`22:59.22`	`Rickdangerous`	`shingouz, I think this is a really hot topic :)`
`22:59.27`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: how long have oyu been waiting for sarge?`
`22:59.35`	`abrotman`	`you personally ?`
`22:59.42`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, I use unstable`
`22:59.50`	`abrotman`	`then why the fuck do you have care you fucking moron`
`22:59.57`	`shingouz`	`Rickdangerous: yes it is, it heats up my feelings to the point that i am about to start larting`
`22:59.59`	`abrotman`	`god .. idiots`
`23:00.06`	`shingouz`	`!beer abrotman`
`23:00.07`	`deadcat`	`abrotman: sunday`
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`23:00.14`	`eddyp`	`abrotman: he wants to use etch`
`23:00.16`	`eddyp`	`:)`
`23:00.18`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, you are being really an ass`
`23:00.24`	`Rickdangerous`	`stop it`
`23:00.28`	`abrotman`	`why not experimental!`
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`23:00.40`	`abrotman`	`why not just move to source .. lazy people suck`
`23:00.41`	`drac`	`woody :I`
`23:00.46`	`deadcat`	`abrotman: or the moron has some stock on debian or something`
`23:00.50`	`paulswm`	`!gentoosmite abrotman`
`23:00.52`	`Rickdangerous`	`distro fascist :)`
`23:00.56`	`eddyp`	`abrotman: gentoo maybe?`
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`23:01.10`	`abrotman`	`whatever .. i don't care ..`
`23:01.26`	`streuner`	`abrotman: you activated the trolls, deal with it ;-)`
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`23:01.39`	`abrotman`	`streuner: actually .. i didn't`
`23:01.39`	`*** part/#debian topeira (~lucio@topeira.user)`
`23:01.49`	`robin_sz`	`sigh ...`
`23:01.51`	`Rickdangerous`	`I'ö no troll damn it`
`23:01.51`	`cinix`	`heh I changed my sources.list from testing to sarge, and it's almost as if apt-get has forgotten some pacakges and is just overwriting them`
`23:01.56`	`robin_sz`	`its like a realtime usenet feed`
`23:01.57`	`Rickdangerous`	`you really started it`
`23:02.00`	`cinix`	`won't upgrade a whole bunch either`
`23:02.02`	`cinix`	`but I can reinstall them`
`23:02.20`	`abrotman`	`cinix: they are held back ?`
`23:02.26`	`deadcat`	`somebody give abrotman op in #debian... please..`
`23:02.27`	`Rickdangerous`	`damn morons`
`23:02.30`	`cinix`	`yes they are held back.`
`23:02.35`	`robin_sz`	`apt-get install trolls`
`23:02.39`	`paulswm`	`!prize deadcat`
`23:02.42`	`abrotman`	`deadcat: i don't think that will happen`
`23:02.42`	`Rickdangerous`	`bunch of losers`
`23:02.48`	`abrotman`	`!tell cinix about held back`
`23:02.58`	`shingouz`	`!prise Rickdangerous`
`23:03.05`	`deadcat`	`abrotman: i know. because you will op me and we ban the fuck out of these ass fuckers`
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`23:03.15`	`abrotman`	`deadcat: uhm .. ok`
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`23:03.21`	`abrotman`	`not what i was thinking .. but ok`
`23:03.30`	`Disney--`	`:P`
`23:04.05`	`paulswm`	`Phew, calm at last`
`23:04.12`	`deadcat`	`then i ban myself (=`
`23:04.15`	`abrotman`	`heh`
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`23:04.33`	`abrotman`	`paulswm: nice while it lasted`
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`23:04.41`	`paulswm`	`abrotman: hehe`
`23:05.09`	`cinix`	`What I'm seeing is it held back apache2, and I did apt-get install apache2, and now to get around this I typed apt-get install apache2, and so it says it's "changing" it, whatever that means. But then the pacakge apache2-mpm-prefork just got reinstalled instead of changed or upgraded even though it was held back before`
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`23:06.10`	`hool`	`hi there.. anyone remember how to reconfigure Xfree86 and windowmaker? (changed g-cards) ?`
`23:06.10`	`Rickdangerous`	`Sarge will be released. even you can't change that fact :)`
`23:06.16`	`pureone`	`http://img159.echo.cx/img159/5501/bushjiang8qm.jpg`
`23:06.56`	`streuner`	`hool: what videocard?`
`23:07.05`	`abrotman`	`!drxx hool`
`23:07.06`	`dpkg`	`hool: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root)`
`23:07.12`	`abrotman`	`unless it's ati or nvidia`
`23:07.18`	`deadcat`	`pureone: hahaha.`
`23:07.22`	`abrotman`	`cinix: this is a problem ?`
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`23:07.30`	`hool`	`abrotman: it's nvidia`
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`23:08.04`	`streuner`	`!listkeys nvidia`
`23:08.06`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'nvidia' by key (15 of 35): CMD: nvidia-installermsite (.*?) ;; nvidia debs ;; nvidia docs ;; nvidia drivers ;; nvidia now ;; nvidia one liner ;; nvidia twinview ;; nvidia x ;; nvidia-installer ;; nvidia-kernel ;; painful nvidia hardware ;; tvout nvidia ;; udev nvidia ;; why nvidia-installer sucks ;; ~nvidia debs.`
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`23:08.07`	`cinix`	`abrotman, it's not a problem as long as configuration doesn't fail because of items already existing`
`23:08.11`	`abrotman`	`i'm not an nvidia expert ... /msg dpkg nvidia one liner`
`23:08.20`	`abrotman`	`cinix: and it is ?`
`23:08.23`	`Rickdangerous`	`take tihs bitch:`
`23:08.25`	`cinix`	`I had one program tell me the user directory already existed.`
`23:08.26`	`Rickdangerous`	`"(a.k.a. sarge finalized, CDs/DVDs finished, stuff on ftp-master (mostly) finnished)"`
`23:08.28`	`cinix`	`no I haven't run into a problem yet`
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`23:08.35`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: good .. shut the hell up`
`23:08.47`	`Rickdangerous`	`pulled that out of deadcat's arse`
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`23:09.06`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: shut the fuck up. dumb fuck.`
`23:09.11`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: just shut up .. god .. you're a flipping moron .. just shut up`
`23:09.12`	`paulswm`	`Rickdangerous: Please stop.`
`23:09.15`	`biggi_mat`	`hi`
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`23:09.23`	`hool`	`Rickdangerous: you know.. your game for Amiga and C= ruled ;)`
`23:09.32`	`biggi_mat`	`well i did my homework with google but nothing found so...if someone could help`
`23:09.35`	`kalenedrael`	`!listkeys`
`23:09.40`	`biggi_mat`	`k0x:~# su`
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`23:09.41`	`Rickdangerous`	`hool, you say my time is passed :)`
`23:09.41`	`biggi_mat`	`su: Module is unknown`
`23:09.43`	`biggi_mat`	`(Ignored)`
`23:09.44`	`biggi_mat`	`su: Module is unknown`
`23:09.46`	`biggi_mat`	`k0x:~# passwd`
`23:09.47`	`biggi_mat`	`passwd: Module is unknown`
`23:09.54`	`biggi_mat`	`what is there to do`
`23:09.57`	`biggi_mat`	`if there is anything`
`23:09.58`	`hool`	`sigh anyone remember how to read priv msg in irssi-text?`
`23:10.11`	`abrotman`	`hool: /msg msgserv help ?`
`23:10.14`	`abrotman`	`i think`
`23:10.15`	`deadcat`	`hool: ^N`
`23:10.21`	`biggi_mat`	`hool alt+num of screen ?`
`23:10.27`	`maher`	`biggi_mat: you sem to have broken pam`
`23:10.27`	`hool`	`Rickdangerous: no.. just that old fdds tend to demagnetise and die :(`
`23:10.28`	`abrotman`	`oh .. not that kind of message`
`23:10.40`	`Rickdangerous`	`hool, tjer's xrick for l`
`23:10.44`	`FieldySnuts`	`!aussiesmite /dev/fd*`
`23:10.45`	`dpkg`	`/dev/fd*: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker`
`23:10.46`	`Rickdangerous`	`... ilinux`
`23:10.49`	`maher`	`biggi_mat: what version of debian`
`23:10.50`	`Trinitrogen`	`Hey, if I use a sarge netist, which bootloader does it install?`
`23:10.50`	`biggi_mat`	`maher yes well...is there anything what i could do to fix it ?`
`23:10.57`	`biggi_mat`	`maher woody`
`23:11.00`	`deadcat`	`Trinitrogen: grub`
`23:11.05`	`maher`	`biggi_mat: were you playign with pam?`
`23:11.06`	`paulswm`	`Trinitrogen: grub`
`23:11.14`	`abrotman`	`maher: you thnik? :)`
`23:11.14`	`biggi_mat`	`maher i was trying to compile pam for apache`
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`23:11.36`	`biggi_mat`	`didn't succeed ofcourse`
`23:11.39`	`maher`	`biggi_mat: did you back up your old pam config?`
`23:11.39`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`23:11.47`	`biggi_mat`	`maher not really :`
`23:11.50`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: got more screenshots? or something?`
`23:11.53`	`maher`	`biggi_mat: oh well`
`23:12.00`	`kalenedrael`	`!listkeys apt`
`23:12.02`	`dpkg`	Factoid search of 'apt' by key (15 of 203): "apt-get" ;; (`apt-get install cowsay`) ;; action notes apt ;; apt-br ;; apt-setup ;; apt> ;; aptable ;; aptbot ;; apthamm ;; captain complaino ;; msgapt ;; mwilson <apt> hmm... he ;; says apt ;; test-for-apt ;; x do fr apt's english.
`23:12.03`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, is there a technical reason that ypu don't want to announce it on the channel`
`23:12.10`	`biggi_mat`	`maher no help tthen ?`
`23:12.16`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, is that why you are pathetically stop it?`
`23:12.21`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: What do you mean?`
`23:12.27`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: no..`
`23:12.29`	`TwistedEmotions`	`why?`
`23:12.32`	`FieldySnuts`	`announce what?`
`23:12.34`	`Trinitrogen`	`Okay, Im dual booting my laptop that already has XP on it. I've shrunk the partition and made room, and I wanna install, I knkow I install grub into the bootloader, but don't I have to boot into linux and change some grub config file?`
`23:12.34`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: why dont you run your dumb ass around the block and scream "sarge is out.."`
`23:12.46`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: just want to see whats up.`
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`23:12.50`	`FieldySnuts`	`sarge isn't out yet, the TARGET release date is the 6th.`
`23:12.50`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: because you're not even using it.. and for anyone that cares .. they've been using sarge for months .. just stop`
`23:12.51`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: Ahhh...`
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`23:12.58`	`Rickdangerous`	`FieldySnuts, /topic #debian-devel`
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`23:13.09`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: run over and tell #gentoo .. they might be interseted`
`23:13.09`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: same looks... just working on keys... I'm done I think..`
`23:13.11`	`shingouz`	`oh ffs..`
`23:13.14`	`FieldySnuts`	`i don't go there, if it's really out then the topic should be updated here`
`23:13.16`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, you are being narrow minded`
`23:13.17`	`FieldySnuts`	`@troll Rickdangerous`
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`23:13.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`# Author: Gustavo Picon <tabo@aurealsys.com>`
`23:13.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`# Last Change: 20040721`
`23:13.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`# Download: http://aurealsys.com/tabo/code/fluxbox-keys`
`23:13.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`# License: This file is placed in the public domain`
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`23:13.25`	`zefred`	`hello`
`23:13.26`	`paulswm`	`sigh`
`23:13.27`	`FieldySnuts`	`for fucks sake this place is unbearable right now`
`23:13.28`	`maher`	`biggi_mat: probably the easiest thing to do is install woody into a chroot and rsyn the pam config across - or at least try and manually see what the differences are`
`23:13.28`	`FieldySnuts`	`bbl`
`23:13.33`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: no .. i'm trying to keep you from flooding the channel with crap we all already know`
`23:13.34`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, I have others machines and have other people to`
`23:13.37`	`paulswm`	`You'd think he'd have learned by now.`
`23:13.39`	`Rickdangerous`	`iinstall debian`
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`23:13.50`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, yes you know it`
`23:13.55`	`abrotman`	`zefred: i've used it :)`
`23:13.57`	`Twisted2`	`Whoops.`
`23:13.59`	`deadcat`	`hahah`
`23:14.00`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, wan't meant o flood channel`
`23:14.02`	`biggi_mat`	`well i'm not sure i understand what to do`
`23:14.02`	`Twisted2`	`That was a first... I msg'd you all that..`
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`23:14.11`	`biggi_mat`	`thank you maher anyway...`
`23:14.16`	`biggi_mat`	`i'll see what would i do`
`23:14.22`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: but you are .. so please stop .. the entire world will know within 10 seconds of the email from the RM .. ok .. can you stop now ?`
`23:14.24`	`zefred`	`i made a user for pureftpd and when he connected with ftp client, he received "530 Authentication failed" pk?`
`23:14.28`	`green_earz`	`Rickdangerous: and allso http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/`
`23:14.32`	`maher`	`biggi_mat: in future always keep a pam backup and a boot disk handy so you can boot to single user and manually restore pam`
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`23:14.46`	`bernouli`	`someone knows good project manager software for linux?`
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`23:14.53`	`Chad5118`	`looking for help on PowerPC PM if you know anything`
`23:14.53`	`abrotman`	`!mr project`
`23:14.54`	`biggi_mat`	`maher yes, i know that now :)`
`23:14.57`	`abrotman`	`!mrproject`
`23:15.03`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman,you don't believe in freedom of speech or democracy?`
`23:15.43`	`abrotman`	`bah .. i watched cafuego make it the other day`
`23:15.43`	`deadcat`	`Chad5118: /topic about PM`
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`23:15.44`	`gary`	`I don't suppose anyone knows a good way yo determine the acceptable quality of a video or speech link over a communication channel?`
`23:15.44`	`abrotman`	`Rickdangerous: you're being a pain in the ass .. if you were in my house . i'd toss your ass out`
`23:15.44`	`paulswm`	`Rickdangerous: Please give it a break, please.`
`23:15.44`	`gary`	`I am looking at QOS and ITU`
`23:15.44`	`bernouli`	`abrotman, are you trying to give me some hints?`
`23:15.45`	`robin_sz`	`gary: look at it?`
`23:15.50`	`abrotman`	`bernouli: you're going to kick him out of your house ?`
`23:15.51`	`Rickdangerous`	`abrotman, no way I would be in your house`
`23:15.51`	`gary`	`reading it`
`23:16.01`	`shingouz`	`oh $DEITY, can't you shut up about sarge for a few minutes so that we could get on with supporting stuff here, Rickdangerous?`
`23:16.02`	`Chad5118`	`looking for help on PowerPC do any of you know anything`
`23:16.09`	`bernouli`	`abrotman, kick whom?`
`23:16.13`	`Phated`	`!listkeys project`
`23:16.14`	`Xinux`	`debian`
`23:16.15`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'project' by key (11): stileproject ;; project/experimental ;; openprojects ;; abacus_project ;; who's the stud of openprojects ;; projector ;; lcd projector ;; infinity project ;; openprojects.net ;; linux documentation project ;; gnu/linux bbq project.`
`23:16.17`	`abrotman`	`bernouli: Rickdangerous`
`23:16.26`	`Rickdangerous`	`shingouz, so you are being human beingd now. you ask for it. ok then`
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`23:16.43`	`paulswm`	`!ops Rickdangerous trolling and being a jerk`
`23:16.44`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Rickdangerous trolling and being a jerk`
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`23:16.51`	`shingouz`	`Rickdangerous: i am pretty far from being humane even if i am human`
`23:16.53`	`abrotman`	`i've already ignored him .. so don't do it for my sake`
`23:17.02`	`dan2`	`abrotman: hey`
`23:17.03`	`deadcat`	`paulswm: ops dont care about this fucker...`
`23:17.10`	`Rickdangerous`	`you think irc is a game`
`23:17.13`	`abrotman`	`dan2: what's up`
`23:17.17`	`paulswm`	`deadcat: There are prolly none around`
`23:17.26`	`dan2`	`abrotman: I've got a cold.... you know you want to go to sly fox, pick me up some fries and burger and drop it off at my place :)`
`23:17.31`	`dan2`	`and I forgot the beer?`
`23:17.33`	`dan2`	`:)`
`23:17.37`	`shingouz`	`the ops are smart.. this is the worst fucking sunday i have seen`
`23:17.39`	`abrotman`	`dan2: i might eat it before it gets there :)`
`23:17.49`	`Chad5118`	`looking for help on PowerPC do any of you know anything im trying to install on a powerPC and can't get to boot to disk`
`23:17.59`	`abrotman`	`!Ppc`
`23:17.59`	`dpkg`	`from memory, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc`
`23:17.59`	`kalenedrael`	`wtf is going on?`
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`23:18.09`	`shingouz`	`kalenedrael: a CF`
`23:18.17`	`Chad5118`	`thanks`
`23:18.20`	`kalenedrael`	`and what's a CF?`
`23:18.21`	`Rickdangerous`	`paulswm, a sane op would ban those who are being rude and tell a normak sentence.`
`23:18.25`	`Rickdangerous`	`normal*`
`23:18.29`	`abrotman`	`!cf`
`23:18.29`	`dpkg`	`i guess cf is a cross-reference, compare with the specified factoid.. ColdFusion. Compact Flash`
`23:18.34`	`shingouz`	`kalenedrael: a clusterfuck..`
`23:18.36`	`paulswm`	`Rickdangerous: that's why I called them.`
`23:18.39`	`kalenedrael`	`ah, i see`
`23:18.54`	`Rickdangerous`	`paulswm, ther are actually 4-5 people who are swearing or being rude`
`23:18.54`	`shingouz`	`:)`
`23:19.09`	`Chetic`	`I have to be honest here, I do cam with the ladies.. so is there ever going to be an MSN client with webcam support?`
`23:19.14`	`robin_sz`	`oh woow ... look, here is Rick talking about sarge ;) http://static.stileproject.com/rnd/img/flapi33.jpg`
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`23:19.30`	`Rickdangerous`	`ü`
`23:19.54`	`abrotman`	`robin_sz: heh`
`23:20.03`	`paulswm`	`robin_sz: HAHAHAHA`
`23:20.06`	`abrotman`	`robin_sz: it's the beans bucket that does it`
`23:20.15`	`kalenedrael`	`haha`
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`23:20.35`	`Rickdangerous`	`this is not a kindergarten children`
`23:20.42`	`Silicon`	`or is it`
`23:20.57`	`shingouz`	`Silicon: it sure as hell is, it is sunday`
`23:21.09`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: arent you suppose to be running your ass around the neighborhood shouting "sarge is out!"?`
`23:21.10`	`Rickdangerous`	`Silicon, I am sure ops wpuld shut up those before me`
`23:21.13`	`trave11er`	`i think it says somewhere that they will limit to 15gb per month`
`23:21.17`	`trave11er`	`oops`
`23:21.17`	`Rickdangerous`	`deadcat, yes`
`23:21.23`	`deadcat`	`Rickdangerous: they do it moron`
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`23:21.39`	`Rickdangerous`	`then?`
`23:21.42`	`Silicon`	`we're all in the big playground called earth`
`23:21.43`	`Rickdangerous`	`or they?`
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`23:21.55`	`abrotman`	`Silicon: no kissing under the monkey bars!`
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`23:23.44`	`Rickdangerous`	`no narrow m`
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`23:23.58`	`Rickdangerous`	`minded monkey can stop it`
`23:24.03`	`Rickdangerous`	`sarge isr released`
`23:24.03`	`KB1FYR`	`Hio Dave_B.`
`23:24.11`	`Dave_B`	`hi KB`
`23:24.13`	`jp`	`hi guys, im on debian woody, how is called the program to run packages installation? dselect? anymore? thansk!`
`23:24.13`	`hool`	`deadcat: i thought sarge was out ages ago?`
`23:24.21`	`FieldySnuts`	`damn, people are confusing`
`23:24.26`	`FieldySnuts`	`confused`
`23:24.30`	`gpm`	`ip: man apt-get`
`23:24.30`	`Rickdangerous`	`well I'm bored`
`23:24.31`	`abrotman`	`or dumb`
`23:24.34`	`paulswm`	`No shit, Fieldy.`
`23:24.36`	`kalenedrael`	`jp, apt-get?`
`23:24.40`	`FieldySnuts`	`Rickdangerous: then please go away`
`23:24.48`	`deadcat`	`hool: sarge was testing. out == becoming stable`
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`23:24.53`	`jethro`	`!lart Rickdangerous`
`23:24.58`	`hool`	`aaaaaaaaaah.. i see`
`23:25.00`	`Dave_B`	`lol`
`23:25.00`	`dan2`	`abrotman: who the hell gets a cold but me in June?`
`23:25.03`	`Rickdangerous`	`FieldySnuts, why should I`
`23:25.05`	`FieldySnuts`	`~pee on Rickdangerous`
`23:25.07`	`apt`	`ACTION pees on Rickdangerous`
`23:25.10`	`jethro`	`hah`
`23:25.12`	`abrotman`	`dan2: you sure it's a cold and not a sinus infection ?`
`23:25.13`	`jp`	`kalenedrael no, for install such like, enteryly gnome, adn that...`
`23:25.15`	`hool`	`never bother with stable.. usually really really old..`
`23:25.16`	`Rickdangerous`	`FieldySnuts, because some monkey morons swear and flood the channel`
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`23:25.17`	`gpm`	`dan2: i'm catching a cold`
`23:25.29`	`FieldySnuts`	`Rickdangerous: ignore them then. like the rest of us do. be a big boy.`
`23:25.29`	`hool`	`gpm: apt-get install whisky`
`23:25.30`	`dan2`	`abrotman: certain`
`23:25.30`	`paulswm`	`Rickdangerous: look in the mirror`
`23:25.30`	`kalenedrael`	`jp, synaptic then?`
`23:25.37`	`Rickdangerous`	`FieldySnuts, so you do`
`23:25.37`	`FieldySnuts`	`Rickdangerous: and you're definately annoying too`
`23:25.38`	`jp`	`kalenedrael WOODY`
`23:25.44`	`abrotman`	`he's still going on ?`
`23:25.45`	`dan2`	`abrotman: sinus infections don't usually have runny noses`
`23:25.45`	`kalenedrael`	`ok, then i don't know`
`23:25.47`	`gpm`	`hool: oh yes.`
`23:25.48`	`Rickdangerous`	`IGNORE ME!!!`
`23:25.48`	`FieldySnuts`	`so i'm gonna ignore the tit`
`23:25.56`	`abrotman`	`dan2: sometimes they do when they start`
`23:25.56`	`paulswm`	`abrotman: Yes, still being a sad wanker.`
`23:25.57`	`Rickdangerous`	`it'sll be fine`
`23:26.02`	`FieldySnuts`	`if he gets annoying enough, just @ops or something`
`23:26.03`	`jp`	`kalenedrael thanks btw`
`23:26.04`	`abrotman`	`no ops call again eh ?`
`23:26.09`	`abrotman`	`FieldySnuts: been done`
`23:26.09`	`FieldySnuts`	`not on a s unday`
`23:26.10`	`dan2`	`abrotman: I would know, since I've gotten 2 already this year :(`
`23:26.11`	`caphuso`	`just ignore him, FFS`
`23:26.11`	`hool`	`FieldySnuts: you are in for a boring life if you ignore tits :(`
`23:26.11`	`paulswm`	`FieldySnuts: I did, no response`
`23:26.15`	`shingouz`	`looks like they are gone again`
`23:26.22`	`caphuso`	`paulswm: that's because i ignored it`
`23:26.24`	`Rickdangerous`	`ignore me owards`
`23:26.25`	`abrotman`	`dan2: heh .. you need to eat more fruit or something`
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`23:26.29`	`Rickdangerous`	`cowards*`
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`23:26.33`	`simonrvn`	`Rickdangerous: well go right ahead. we'll just sit here and laugh our asses off at you for getting kicked`
`23:26.49`	`jethro`	`don't you miss the kick message if you ignore someone?`
`23:26.52`	`Rickdangerous`	`simonrvn, I don't care. if you don't have a feel of justice`
`23:26.52`	`hool`	`i whish there was a fast forward on the radio.. now they`
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`23:26.56`	`hool`	`re playing crap again`
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`23:27.36`	`simonrvn`	`Rickdangerous: i do. don't you think you should grow a sense of humour first?`
`23:27.43`	`paulswm`	`jethro: evidently he isn't going to get kicked, apparently his behavious is acceptable,.`
`23:27.44`	`hool`	`Rickdangerous: what did you do?`
`23:27.51`	`Phated`	`simonrvn: Or a brain.`
`23:27.54`	`FieldySnuts`	`almost anything goes on sunday`
`23:27.56`	`Rickdangerous`	`no one can dictte me that some losers can swear at me. on the other hand I too believe it's annoying fot othes`
`23:27.58`	`FieldySnuts`	`unless it's me of course`
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`23:28.14`	`Rickdangerous`	`hool, I said sarge is out twice. and that's flooding the channel`
`23:28.22`	`simonrvn`	`Rickdangerous: shut the fuck up kthxbye. /ignored`
`23:28.23`	`Rickdangerous`	`dictate*`
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`23:28.32`	`jethro`	`hey!`
`23:28.34`	`jethro`	`it's monday now`
`23:28.39`	`Phated`	`I'm aware.`
`23:28.39`	`FieldySnuts`	`for some of you`
`23:28.40`	`jethro`	`Rickdangerous: stop being a moron, sunday is over`
`23:28.43`	`hool`	`hehehe.. well..`
`23:28.47`	`abrotman`	`karsten: just run now`
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`23:28.48`	`paulswm`	`caphuso: well I'm sorry if I bugged you, and puzzled that his behavious is apparently acceptable.`
`23:28.56`	`Rickdangerous`	`jethro, yeah so you are`
`23:29.03`	`hool`	`i thought you did something bad.. like being a troll or working for balmer`
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`23:29.10`	`Chetic`	`Is it just me or is everything much sexier in linux?`
`23:29.15`	`Rickdangerous`	`paulswm, yes now I'm the bad guy.`
`23:29.24`	`abrotman`	`Chetic: it's just you .. but how did you get your wife packaged ?`
`23:29.27`	`simonrvn`	`just you needing to get laid`
`23:29.27`	`Rickdangerous`	`paulswm, beacuse they all shut the fuck up`
`23:29.33`	`hool`	`Chetic: even man pages looks hot in debian 0_o`
`23:29.38`	`Trinitrogen`	`Chetic: I've never considered somethign so high maintenence sexy`
`23:29.51`	`simonrvn`	`high maintenance?`
`23:29.59`	`simonrvn`	`o_O`
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`23:30.11`	`hool`	`simonrvn: he gives the servers chocolate and flowers?`
`23:30.21`	`shingouz`	`ahhh... blessed silence :)`
`23:30.22`	`Phated`	`An apt-get upgrade once in a bit is kind of like... Y'know, a night out on town.`
`23:30.34`	`jp`	`how can I install gnome on woody? I did apt-get install gnome but nothings happns :( who knows?`
`23:30.35`	`hool`	`i like apt`
`23:30.42`	`simonrvn`	`shingouz: /ignore works wonders ;)`
`23:30.47`	`gpm`	`!tell ip about search`
`23:30.49`	`shingouz`	`simonrvn: as i said`
`23:30.53`	`abrotman`	`jp: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-panel gdm menu`
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`23:31.03`	`paulswm`	`See you all, have a safe night/day depending on tz`
`23:31.07`	`hool`	`only thing i don't like with linux is that .configure /make /make clean doesn't work on my apartment`
`23:31.12`	`jp`	`abrotman thanks dbus with mono support guy ;)`
`23:31.13`	`hool`	`i hate cleaning myself :(`
`23:31.14`	`Rickdangerous`	`paulswm, you too`
`23:31.18`	`dan2`	`abrotman: I seriously would like some fresh beer from sly fox with my bacon cheeseburger and beer battered fries :)`
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`23:31.22`	`abrotman`	`jp: i did what ?`
`23:31.25`	`d0t`	`join #mnogosearch`
`23:31.25`	`abrotman`	`dan2: you're 15`
`23:31.35`	`simonrvn`	`jp wait 12-16 hours, you'll get sarge as stable`
`23:31.35`	`nvz`	`Phated: you have to apt-get update as well, or you end up doing the same boring stuff all the time.`
`23:31.38`	`paulswm`	`Rickdangerous: Thanks, stay safe`
`23:31.38`	`jp`	`abrotman joke ;)`
`23:31.41`	`shingouz`	`hool: you need to use dpkg --clean apartment`
`23:32.05`	`Phated`	`nvz: Obviously. One needs to change locations. Can't go to the same boring pub all the time.`
`23:32.06`	`hool`	`shingouz: i need to wget me girlfriend.deb instead`
`23:32.27`	`hool`	`apt i mean`
`23:32.28`	`apt`	`methinks i mean is that some one next to you can speak chinese ?`
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`23:32.28`	`shingouz`	`hool: :)`
`23:32.28`	`abrotman`	`hool: --clean apt might help first`
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`23:32.31`	`dan2`	`abrotman: that doesn't mean anything, our country is at war!`
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`23:32.32`	`dan2`	`:)`
`23:32.38`	`hool`	`abrotman: yeah.. catch 22`
`23:32.39`	`abrotman`	`dan2: and you're jewish!`
`23:32.42`	`shingouz`	`hool: /msg dpkg sex`
`23:32.50`	`dan2`	`abrotman: all the more reason for more alcohol`
`23:32.54`	`abrotman`	`dan2: btw .. anyone in your family make a great choppied liver ?`
`23:32.58`	`abrotman`	`rer chopped`
`23:33.01`	`dan2`	`abrotman: nope`
`23:33.04`	`hool`	`shingouz: it's weird getting a/s/l from a bot 0_o`
`23:33.07`	`abrotman`	`dan2: know where to get some ?`
`23:33.11`	`dan2`	`abrotman: not really`
`23:33.15`	`abrotman`	`i only know michael's deli in KoP`
`23:33.16`	`dan2`	`abrotman: baltimore, new york?`
`23:33.24`	`shingouz`	`hool: hmmm...`
`23:33.28`	`abrotman`	`dan2: no . i mean any :)`
`23:33.36`	`shingouz`	`!tell hool about sex`
`23:33.42`	`dan2`	`abrotman: thats the only deli I know about around here`
`23:33.42`	`abrotman`	`dan2: short of me making it myself`
`23:33.58`	`abrotman`	`dan2: i bet there's one in .. elkins park`
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`23:34.09`	`shingouz`	`hool: did you get the whole enchilada now?`
`23:34.15`	`pissed`	`where is a good place to buy cheap entry level hookers`
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`23:34.18`	`pissed`	`err servers`
`23:34.22`	`nvz`	`speaking of locations.. I just located a 2ft ethernet coord, then had to relocate the wireless modem/router 2 ft away from my pc, so I could jack in the old fashion way`
`23:34.24`	`hool`	`shingouz: yeah.. we're engaged now`
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`23:34.28`	`silver_cpu`	`anyone here ever had a problem transferring large groups of files from an ntfs partition to a reiserfs partition?`
`23:34.30`	`shingouz`	`hool: hehehe`
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`23:34.43`	`abrotman`	`silver_cpu: you know .. ntfs sucks right ?`
`23:34.46`	`bruce2005`	`i;m trying to download the UML kernel from http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/dl-sf.html, but the instructions are really vague, there are a million things to download from RPMs, root file systems, utilities, the precompiled BARE kernel, anyone knows where i can download the UML kernel?`
`23:34.46`	`silver_cpu`	`small groups of files transfer fine, but large groups lock up nautilus/metacity, it seems`
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`23:34.53`	`[Granger]`	`silver_cpu: nope`
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`23:34.55`	`silver_cpu`	`abrotman, yes i do, that's why i'm switching ;)`
`23:35.01`	`[Granger]`	`silver_cpu: one word`
`23:35.06`	`abrotman`	`silver_cpu: you know .. reiserfs sucks right ?`
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`23:35.08`	`[Granger]`	`console`
`23:35.11`	`silver_cpu`	`lol`
`23:35.13`	`[Granger]`	`reiserfs > *`
`23:35.18`	`silver_cpu`	`why does reiserfs suck? i've had great luck with it`
`23:35.22`	`silver_cpu`	`what's not good about it?`
`23:35.26`	`shingouz`	`luck is the word`
`23:35.30`	`simonrvn`	`reiser is crap. face it`
`23:35.34`	`abrotman`	`paulswm: did he shut up yet ?`
`23:35.43`	`abrotman`	`!fs comparison`
`23:35.43`	`dpkg`	`i guess filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/`
`23:35.49`	`FieldySnuts`	`i've used it for years in production and home, never had problems. had problems with almost any other fs. though. just my experience, i trust it.`
`23:35.50`	`abrotman`	`read the reiser link`
`23:35.55`	`silver_cpu`	`dpkg, thanks for the tip`
`23:35.58`	`jetscreamer`	`jfs`
`23:36.00`	`jetscreamer`	`you need a ups`
`23:36.06`	`silver_cpu`	`i have a ups`
`23:36.09`	`abrotman`	`silver_cpu: err .. read the second link :)`
`23:36.16`	`silver_cpu`	`but i like a journaling fs because of user error ;)`
`23:36.27`	`abrotman`	`use ext3 .. or get an UPS and pick any other`
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`23:37.59`	`silver_cpu`	`abrotman, lol that first post is a doozey`
`23:38.02`	`silver_cpu`	`file lotto!`
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`23:38.17`	`abrotman`	`silver_cpu: i meant the second .. sorry`
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`23:38.57`	`hool`	`abrotman: do you get one of those leet first post shirts now?`
`23:39.14`	`silver_cpu`	`abrotman, i'm reading the second, but the first post in that is nutz`
`23:39.22`	`abrotman`	`silver_cpu: yeah . it is`
`23:39.25`	`abrotman`	`hool: for what ?`
`23:39.27`	`silver_cpu`	`and this is crazy...why don't people have more knowledge of these problems?`
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`23:39.35`	`kalenedrael`	`time to get a UPS`
`23:39.35`	`silver_cpu`	`and why is this an "acceptable" fs?`
`23:39.37`	`abrotman`	`silver_cpu: heh ..`
`23:39.40`	`silver_cpu`	`grrr...`
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`23:39.45`	`hool`	`abrotman: dunno.. someone said first post .. i naturally asumed /.`
`23:39.55`	`silver_cpu`	`lol and what's worse is that to fix all of this will require a good deal of manual work`
`23:39.56`	`silver_cpu`	`blah`
`23:39.57`	`abrotman`	`hool: oh . in the /msg dpkg fs comparison .. factoid`
`23:40.07`	`hool`	`schweet home alabama lalala`
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`23:40.15`	`kalenedrael`	`!listkeys fs`
`23:40.17`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'fs' by key (15 of 167): 4.3.0.dfsg ;; CMD: topicfsck (.*?) ;; devfs doesn't work ;; devfs howto ;; fsbot ;; fserve ;; mount ntfs ;; nfs-timeout ;; pkgfsck ;; ro-ntfs ;; rtfs ;; sdfsdaf ;; shredderfs ;; smb share fstab ;; subfs.`
`23:40.22`	`abrotman`	`good thinking`
`23:40.28`	`kalenedrael`	`!listkeys reiser`
`23:40.30`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'reiser' by key (13): reiserfs-rescue-disk ;; reiser boot floppies ;; reiserfs boot floppies ;; reiserfs ;; reiser4 ;; reiserfs bootdisks ;; reiser ;; reiserfs benchmark comparison ;; reiserfsprogs ;; reiser bootfloppies ;; reiserfs-debian ;; reiserfs bootfloppies ;; reiserfs-2.4.`
`23:40.41`	`dan2`	`dpkg: reiser4`
`23:40.41`	`dpkg`	`i guess reiser4 is If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian?`
`23:40.46`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`23:40.50`	`silver_cpu`	`guess part of the problem is that pc hardware is meant for winblows`
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`23:41.00`	`kalenedrael`	`yeah`
`23:41.14`	`silver_cpu`	`i want debian because it's the closest thing i can come to gentoo, without losing my sanity`
`23:41.15`	`abrotman`	`silver_cpu: no .. x86 hardware just sucks`
`23:41.17`	`silver_cpu`	`and all my free time`
`23:41.22`	`zulkifar`	`hi. Is there a frontend to use with for dict bilinguar dictionaries?`
`23:41.32`	`hool`	`silver_cpu: sanity is extra`
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`23:41.38`	`kalenedrael`	`does anyone know about kdict?`
`23:42.01`	`kalenedrael`	`never mind`
`23:42.17`	`Rickdangerous`	`zulkifar, apt-cache search dict client`
`23:42.49`	`shingouz`	`speaking of dictionaries, is there some neat babelfish for linux at all?`
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`23:43.07`	`silver_cpu`	`thank god i at least keep backups`
`23:43.13`	`black13`	`what package installs /sbin/ifup`
`23:43.20`	`silver_cpu`	`at least all i have to do is extra menial work`
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`23:43.28`	`Rickdangerous`	`black13, dpkg -S /sbin/ifup`
`23:43.29`	`streuner`	`black13: ifdownup`
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`23:43.41`	`streuner`	`!find /sbin/ifup`
`23:43.50`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/sbin/ifup' returned no results.`
`23:43.58`	`Rickdangerous`	`ifupdown: /sbin/ifup`
`23:43.59`	`black13`	`unfortunaely i dont have debian system presant so i can run dpkg`
`23:44.07`	`black13`	`cant`
`23:44.12`	`streuner`	`Rickdangerous: or that :-)`
`23:44.22`	`jimmy___`	`anyone know which debian package contains the fork command?`
`23:44.31`	`silver_cpu`	`guess i will switch to ext3, then`
`23:44.33`	`shingouz`	`black13: either ifdownup as streuner said or ifupdown`
`23:44.35`	`digitalfredy`	`hi, i have a local mirror and like use this in in my net, i install apache and made /var/www link to /my/mirror, i add this and is ok but can't get some packages, this packages yes can get using the mirror as local, are some problem whit apache?`
`23:44.49`	`trave11er`	`jimmy___: fork is not a command, it's a system call`
`23:44.52`	`streuner`	`!find ifup`
`23:44.53`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package Listing of 'ifup' (2): ifupdown ;; ifupdown-scripts-zg2.`
`23:44.55`	`black13`	`thank you all three`
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`23:45.06`	`trave11er`	`jimmy___: man 3 fork`
`23:45.17`	`silver_cpu`	`next....sharing files with windoze`
`23:45.24`	`trave11er`	`hm, that did not work`
`23:45.25`	`Rickdangerous`	`jimmy___, search at packages.debian.org`
`23:45.29`	`shingouz`	`black13: dpkg is a bot...`
`23:45.47`	`trave11er`	`man fork works`
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`23:46.10`	`Rickdangerous`	`trave11er, it's a sys call`
`23:46.18`	`FieldySnuts`	`exactly, which he doesn't seem to get`
`23:46.21`	`Rickdangerous`	`trave11er, man 2 fork`
`23:46.33`	`jimmy___`	`trave11er: "no man page for fork in section 3" .. man fork gets a similar result. kind of strange.`
`23:46.43`	`trave11er`	`Rickdangerous: that's exactly what i said three lines before`
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`23:46.56`	`Rickdangerous`	`trave11er, sorry haven't seen that :)`
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`23:47.11`	`trave11er`	`jimmy___: just do man fork`
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`23:47.27`	`black13`	`dpkg -s ifupdown`
`23:47.27`	`dpkg`	`Package: ifupdown: Status: install ok installed`
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`23:47.37`	`Rickdangerous`	`black13, -S not -s`
`23:47.43`	`black13`	`dpkg -S ifupdown`
`23:47.44`	`dpkg`	`You Fool! ifupdown is installed!`
`23:47.49`	`jimmy___`	`trave11er: I tried it. same result.`
`23:47.50`	`Rickdangerous`	`heh`
`23:48.01`	`Rickdangerous`	`black13, what are you doing?`
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`23:48.22`	`black13`	`how do you mean Rick?`
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`23:48.37`	`Rickdangerous`	`why are you typing that command here again?`
`23:48.40`	`shingouz`	`black13: now if you try to install ifupdown here in the channel with dpkg... ;)`
`23:48.49`	`trave11er`	`jimmy___: apt-get install manpages-dev`
`23:48.51`	`cafuego`	`dpkg -i net-tools`
`23:49.04`	`Rickdangerous`	`dpkg --purge libc6`
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`23:49.29`	`black13`	`the bigger "what i am doing" is building a live cd`
`23:49.47`	`black13`	`my bootscripts are a debian derivative`
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`23:50.32`	`silver_cpu`	`ok, so now that i've got this crazy, hung file transfer, how do i end it?`
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`23:51.48`	`silver_cpu`	`And what would i look for under "top?" Would it be an instance of cp? or is that built into the shell?`
`23:52.10`	`silver_cpu`	`lol torvaldis must be a mental masochist`
`23:52.11`	`aficionado`	`Hi, is there any good support channel for xfree86?`
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`23:53.05`	`cafuego`	`Alight. It's monday, where's Sarge?`
`23:53.20`	`aficionado`	`cafuego, what, it's still Sunday :)`
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`23:53.22`	`cafuego`	`silver_cpu: ctrl-c, ctrl-\`
`23:53.23`	`shingouz`	`cafuego: awol`
`23:53.26`	`silver_cpu`	`is it monday where you're at, cafuego ?`
`23:53.28`	`aficionado`	`at least in us it is :)`
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`23:53.40`	`cafuego`	`aficionado: only in backwards places`
`23:53.48`	`silver_cpu`	`cafuego, i initiated the transfer with nautilus, i think that's the proggy that's causing the problems`
`23:54.01`	`silver_cpu`	`it wouldn't suprise me if this is a bug in naut, it won't be the first i've encountered`
`23:54.10`	`cafuego`	`silver_cpu: Ah ok, you can kill it by process id, but it will probably kill all of nautilus.`
`23:54.12`	`silver_cpu`	`i tend to use my machine for unseemly purposes, and it's always getting me in trouble`
`23:54.26`	`black13`	`shingouz, is there a way to caputure/redict console during when init is running the bootscripts?`
`23:54.28`	`cafuego`	`silver_cpu: 'ps auwx \| grep nautilus'`
`23:54.31`	`aficionado`	`I just installed the nvidia drivers but when I run xdm it doesn't show the cursor and the "debian graphic" is "see-through." Any ideas what could be wrong?`
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`23:54.50`	`astronut`	`what's the STL string class?`
`23:55.01`	`astronut`	`and where can i find it's man page?`
`23:55.09`	`shingouz`	`black13: uh... im out of my depth`
`23:55.15`	`trave11er`	`astronut: stl is standard template library`
`23:55.22`	`Rickdangerous`	`cafuego, is japan backwards`
`23:55.24`	`astronut`	`ya, doesn't it define a string class?`
`23:55.29`	`astronut`	`i mean, what's the name of the class`
`23:55.29`	`silver_cpu`	`lol cafuego what do i do with the output of that?`
`23:55.31`	`black13`	`shingouz, very often i am too`
`23:55.33`	`cafuego`	`Rickdangerous: It's monday in japan`
`23:55.35`	`trave11er`	`astronut: i don't know if it has a manpage, but there is plenty of docs on the web`
`23:55.39`	`silver_cpu`	`it's in gibberese to my eyes`
`23:55.45`	`chealer`	`aficionado: how did you install them?`
`23:55.57`	`Rickdangerous`	`cafuego, yeah`
`23:56.02`	`silver_cpu`	`there we go!`
`23:56.19`	`silver_cpu`	`finally got it to force quiet`
`23:56.21`	`silver_cpu`	`quit`
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`23:57.18`	`supaman`	`unbelieavable, when I do aptitude install aspell, aptitude wants by some really obscure reason install the ukranian dictionary for aspell allso and remove abiword!`
`23:57.37`	`bruce2005`	`i have just upgrade from woody to sarge, is there any command which'll tell me which distribution i;m using?`
`23:57.46`	`cafuego`	`supaman: da`
`23:57.53`	`aficionado`	`chealer, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx`
`23:57.54`	`cafuego`	`bruce2005: cat /etc/debian_version`
`23:58.00`	`silver_cpu`	`btw, thanks all on the fs info, i'd have died if i'd switched over my whole system, only to have it b0rked. especially since the one computer i've got reiserfs on is the only one without a ups`
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`23:58.15`	`Marble2`	`are there any tools to convert a .mov to a .avi?`
`23:58.37`	`bruce2005`	`cafuego: it says 3.1 i dont know if its woody or sarge`
`23:58.46`	`cafuego`	`bruce2005: 3.1 is sarge`
`23:58.46`	`chealer`	`bruce2005: sarge`
`23:58.46`	`ethics`	`Marble2: mencoder`
`23:59.08`	`Marble2`	`thanks`
`23:59.10`	`ethics`	`Marble2 if any can that will...`
`23:59.12`	`bruce2005`	`i should be able to download now :) hopefully`
`23:59.16`	`chealer`	`aficionado: is it possible to send a screenshot of what you have?`
`23:59.24`	`xzgv`	`is sarge still on for tomorrow?`
`23:59.25`	`silver_cpu`	`hmmm...now nautilus doesn't want to start back up again ;)`
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`23:59.34`	`aficionado`	`chealer, it would be a pain to get a screenshot :-/`
`23:59.45`	`Rickdangerous`	`xzgv, yes`
`23:59.46`	`ethics`	`xzgv well it hasnt been updated to be later as of yet...`
`23:59.56`	`chealer`	`aficionado: how come? is the only problem with xdm?`
`23:59.57`	`Rickdangerous`	`xzgv, on monday as promised`

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