| 00:00.05 | xzgv | thx guys! |
| 00:00.05 | chealer | aficionado: is it because your mouse is unusable? |
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| 00:00.15 | Rickdangerous | xzgv, it's not offical tho |
| 00:00.33 | aficionado | chealer, both... plus once I log in some parts of the screen act very weird |
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| 00:00.49 | aficionado | chealer, sorry actually, it's not just with xdm |
| 00:00.50 | Rickdangerous | xzgv, not offical right now... |
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| 00:01.04 | xzgv | Rickdangerous, bad news travel fast, so no news is good |
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| 00:01.22 | Rickdangerous | xzgv, it's been talked on #debian-devel |
| 00:01.30 | xzgv | thx |
| 00:01.33 | Rickdangerous | xzgv, cd are being prepared |
| 00:01.44 | Rickdangerous | np |
| 00:02.22 | chealer | aficionado: are you sure your mouse is supposed to be working? does X's log mention issues with it? |
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| 00:02.42 | chorizote | can someone help setting up x windows on sarge? |
| 00:02.53 | aficionado | chealer, it works when I use the "nv" driver |
| 00:03.16 | chealer | !x windows |
| 00:03.16 | dpkg | It's X dammit!, or ask me about x windows trap. A) The X Window System. B) X |
| 00:03.36 | chealer | aficionado: ok, so the logs don't help? |
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| 00:04.19 | aficionado | chealer, I think I checked last time... let me double check |
| 00:05.07 | WhiteRabbit | I see the debian installer stopped updating on the 3rd what time is the 3.1 release gonna start late tonite early morn or afternoon |
| 00:05.34 | Rickdangerous | WhiteRabbit, don't you ask for a liitle too bit precise |
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| 00:05.57 | Rickdangerous | you hae waited ~3 years... |
| 00:06.00 | Rickdangerous | have* |
| 00:06.14 | benjamindees | WhiteRabbit, yeah, this isn't redhat; it's a miracle sarge is releasing this year anyways |
| 00:06.31 | Rickdangerous | that's too much pessimism |
| 00:06.32 | xzgv | chorizote, # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:06.39 | Rickdangerous | since installer is ready and transitions done |
| 00:06.43 | cafuego | or is it? |
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| 00:06.58 | snike | does anyone know how to get the gnome application launcher to read/take notice of /etc/profile? I placed my path and environment variables there, but I find that the bash prompt and the application launcher ignore it. Is there another location/file where such customisations can be placed to that they are read slightly more universally? is there a gnome or bash profile? |
| 00:07.02 | WhiteRabbit | since when is excitement a bad thing ;)~ |
| 00:07.09 | Rickdangerous | WhiteRabbit, no no it's not |
| 00:07.18 | Rickdangerous | WhiteRabbit, you should ask that abrotman tho |
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| 00:07.25 | Rickdangerous | he's the excitement police here |
| 00:07.35 | cafuego | Excitiement was bad since the last time Mr Bush got excited and exterminated half a country. |
| 00:07.44 | Rickdangerous | hehe |
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| 00:07.47 | Rickdangerous | that was not excitement |
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| 00:07.50 | WhiteRabbit | bush is the man! |
| 00:07.51 | Rickdangerous | that was manupilation |
| 00:07.58 | Blissex | snike: surely someone does :-) |
| 00:08.00 | Rickdangerous | social enginnering |
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| 00:08.04 | SantaOne | hi |
| 00:08.04 | crylyx | which is the best protocol for a optical USB mouse for xfree86 ? |
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| 00:08.13 | benjamindees | crylyx, imps2 |
| 00:08.14 | cafuego | Rickdangerous: For small enough minds those twoa re indistinguishable. |
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| 00:08.19 | SantaOne | is anyone of you running Horde? |
| 00:08.20 | snike | tee hee |
| 00:08.25 | Rickdangerous | cafuego, fear is the word I think |
| 00:08.27 | WhiteRabbit | abrotman, heres johnny! |
| 00:08.31 | Rickdangerous | not excitement |
| 00:08.41 | Blissex | crylyx: USB mice all have the same protocol. |
| 00:08.52 | cafuego | Blissex: Actually, they do'nt. |
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| 00:08.57 | crylyx | benjamindees: thanks. im having problems with the mouse on all protocols i tried. the pointer is not sliding but kinda 'jumping'. any ideas what to do? |
| 00:09.00 | ethics | Blissex: not true but most of them talk imps2 |
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| 00:09.02 | cafuego | crylyx: imps/2 will do. |
| 00:09.02 | Blissex | cafuego: in practice.... |
| 00:09.07 | chorizote | xzgv: i have done that, but it wont work, something about the i810 and my chipset |
| 00:09.09 | trave11er | snike: /etc/profile is only read when bash is invoked as a login shell |
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| 00:09.13 | cafuego | Blissex: No, do a 'strings' on your mouse module. |
| 00:09.29 | benjamindees | crylyx, try a better mousepad :) |
| 00:09.31 | Xinux | !debian-based |
| 00:09.38 | Xinux | !tell xinux about debian-based |
| 00:09.42 | crylyx | benjamindees: im using my table. its flat lol |
| 00:09.44 | Xinux | somebody make the bot tell me it |
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| 00:09.55 | Xinux | somebody type !tell xinux about debian-based |
| 00:09.58 | trave11er | snike: you can use ~/.bashrc to put your settings if you want them to take effect when you start shells yourself |
| 00:10.04 | chealer | Xinux: use /msg dpkg foo yourself |
| 00:10.11 | snike | oh ok...so what I want is something that gets invoked on startup, right? |
| 00:10.12 | SantaOne | !tell xinux about debian-based |
| 00:10.15 | Xinux | the bots got me on ignore |
| 00:10.18 | Xinux | so stfu chealer |
| 00:10.24 | Rickdangerous | cafuego, never mind. :)( |
| 00:10.26 | cafuego | Xinux: Shouldn't have spammed it, then. |
| 00:10.32 | Rickdangerous | cafuego, time to go bed for me |
| 00:10.41 | shingouz | jfc... him here too.... |
| 00:10.42 | chealer | Xinux: I'm sending you back that remark |
| 00:10.53 | Xinux | fuck you |
| 00:10.54 | Xinux | bye |
| 00:10.59 | chealer | bye |
| 00:11.02 | SantaOne | bye fucking Xinux |
| 00:11.03 | SantaOne | :) |
| 00:11.13 | Xinux | yes, ehh |
| 00:11.15 | Xinux | fucking your mom |
| 00:11.18 | cafuego | Clearly it's still sunday *there* |
| 00:11.20 | Xinux | lol jokes |
| 00:11.23 | Rickdangerous | heh |
| 00:11.24 | benjamindees | my, how tolerant #debian has become :) |
| 00:11.24 | SantaOne | np :) |
| 00:11.31 | SantaOne | my mom is sexy btw |
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| 00:11.32 | SantaOne | :) |
| 00:11.34 | crylyx | is it normal to have 2 mouse entries in XF86Config-4 - 'configured' and 'generic' ? (im having only one mouse) |
| 00:11.34 | Xinux | really |
| 00:11.35 | YaleR | hot |
| 00:11.38 | cafuego | benjamindees: weekends don't count *rolls eyes* |
| 00:11.42 | lef | where is grub.conf in sarge? |
| 00:11.47 | shingouz | benjamindees: that is because we have long ignore lists |
| 00:11.58 | bruce2005 | i have the sarge dist. and trying to download the latest kernel, when i type apt-get wget gwget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.11.11.bz2" i get an error any help? |
| 00:12.09 | |ryan| | so.... |
| 00:12.21 | cafuego | benjamindees: You got it all wrong. Just use the debian kernel. |
| 00:12.26 | benjamindees | lef, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:12.27 | cafuego | errgh |
| 00:12.33 | cafuego | bruce2005: Just use the debian kernel. |
| 00:12.34 | Rickdangerous | braindead_moron, you are supposed to give the error message |
| 00:12.38 | Blissex | cafuego: just done a 'strings -a' of 'usbmouse.ko' and all it says is about the USB HID interface, which is what they all implement... |
| 00:12.41 | lef | thank you benjamindees |
| 00:12.44 | ryan_ | sarge is supposed to come out todat? |
| 00:12.45 | Rickdangerous | bruce2005, ^^ |
| 00:12.50 | trave11er | bruce2005: what are you trying to get? the pristine kernel source or debian kernel source? |
| 00:12.52 | Rickdangerous | ryan_, on monday yes |
| 00:13.00 | shingouz | bruce2005: man wget and that is not the latest kernel in anycase. just apt-get the stuff off debian and you are a hell of a lot happier |
| 00:13.00 | cafuego | Blissex: That's the kernel module. I meant the X one. |
| 00:13.11 | yarddog | its monday in some place now |
| 00:13.17 | bruce2005 | i was told to install the latest kernel to build and compile it |
| 00:13.24 | cafuego | bruce2005: By whom? |
| 00:13.26 | bruce2005 | what i'm trying to do now is download it first! |
| 00:13.35 | shingouz | bruce2005: why is that? do yu have some real exotic hardware there? |
| 00:13.36 | Rickdangerous | bruce2005, use you browser |
| 00:13.43 | Rickdangerous | your* |
| 00:13.48 | bruce2005 | i dont have a browser |
| 00:13.51 | Blissex | cafuego: but then one uses '/dev/input/mice' via 'mousedev.ko' and that's always the IM protocol. |
| 00:14.01 | Rickdangerous | curl? |
| 00:14.09 | shingouz | bruce2005: you do not need a brand new kernel to have a browser. |
| 00:14.09 | cafuego | bruce2005: Just do an 'apt-cache search kernel-image' and pick the latest one for your cpu. it'll be fine. |
| 00:14.41 | cafuego | Blissex: Not necessarily |
| 00:14.53 | cafuego | Blissex: There are brand-specific extensions |
| 00:14.59 | shingouz | bruce2005: the point is, if you do not know what kernel source to grab off kernel.org you really should not try to roll a custom one yet, you will just screw up the system |
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| 00:15.28 | ethics | BLissex: Logitech 800 dpi resolution use a different driver even though its a imps2 style mouse.. |
| 00:16.04 | ethics | Blissex, there was a quirky honeywell one too. that was imps2 ish but not quite.. |
| 00:16.17 | bruce2005 | i'm instructed to do so, basically without a brower u can't download? |
| 00:16.21 | Blissex | cafuego: ethics: but they always work with the IM protocol... |
| 00:16.36 | shingouz | bruce2005: apt-get isntall <whateverbrowser> |
| 00:16.42 | Blissex | cafuego: then yes, there are things like extensions, but they are even quite rare. |
| 00:16.43 | shingouz | bruce2005: man apt-get |
| 00:16.57 | poncha|work | err.. guys.. i have seen now the weirdest thing i could imagine on a filesystem.... by mistake my boss runned "ln -fs latest/" (exactly like this).. by that time "latest" symlink already existed (hence the trailing slash - he reached that by completion)... and he missed the source param... so what i see now is symlink recursed into itself, but not just that... i *removed* the symlink (on the top level) and it did not appear in ls.... but once created aga |
| 00:16.57 | poncha|work | in (normally, without erroneous input), i see again looping symlink |
| 00:17.11 | trave11er | bruce2005: if you insist on getting the kernel source from kernel.org, you can just run 'wget <url>' |
| 00:17.12 | shingouz | bruce2005: out of curiosity, who told you to roll a new kernel off vanilla source from kernel.org? |
| 00:17.26 | trave11er | bruce2005: where url is the address of the kernel tarball you used before |
| 00:17.48 | bruce2005 | i'm working on a project with a prof n he's given me some instructions |
| 00:17.53 | shingouz | bruce2005: the one you showed earlier here is just a patch, not the complete source |
| 00:17.57 | cafuego | bruce2005: If your hardware works, you don't need a new kernel. Just install X and a browser. |
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| 00:18.05 | poncha|work | any ideas how did that happen and how can i fix it? ;) |
| 00:18.12 | shingouz | bruce2005: in that case you need to lart your professor or do some serious rtfm there |
| 00:18.46 | bruce2005 | shingouz: where can i get the complete source? |
| 00:18.46 | cafuego | poncha|work: You can delete the symlink. |
| 00:18.55 | shingouz | bruce2005: kernel.org |
| 00:18.57 | joel_ | how is ipod with debian? I heard they don't act as regular mass storage devices and is a pain in the arse.. |
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| 00:19.09 | poncha|work | cafuego, deleted... once recreated symlink with same name - there is loop again |
| 00:19.20 | cafuego | poncha|work: yes, see 'man ln' as for why. |
| 00:19.23 | poncha|work | or you mean never use same name again? :) |
| 00:19.30 | trave11er | bruce2005: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.11.11.tar.bz2 |
| 00:19.47 | cafuego | yarddog: Basically: if you omit the source param, it assumes the source has the same name as the target. |
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| 00:20.00 | yarddog | ? |
| 00:20.19 | cafuego | poncha|work: if you omit the source param, it assumes the source has the same name as the target. This *can* mean your boss overwrite (destroyed) the original. |
| 00:20.20 | shingouz | bruce2005: if this is really a homework assignment you should do the work yourself and not make us do it on your behalf |
| 00:20.24 | yarddog | cafuego: i wasnt aware i asked anything :P |
| 00:20.28 | cafuego | yarddog:typo |
| 00:20.35 | yarddog | n/p :) |
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| 00:21.20 | benjamindees | joel_, this site says ipods need kernel 2.6.12 -> http://neuron.com/~jason/ipod.html |
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| 00:21.53 | cafuego | There is no 2.6.12 kernel |
| 00:22.03 | bruce2005 | i need to get the latest kernel, caus i need to install the UML which requires a 2.4 kernel |
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| 00:22.15 | cafuego | bruce2005: Um, no. |
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| 00:22.26 | shingouz | bruce2005: the latest is 2.6.11.11 which is not a 2.4 in anycase |
| 00:22.35 | cafuego | bruce2005: sarge comes with a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel. You can just 'apt-get install uml' to get UML. |
| 00:22.41 | poncha|work | cafuego, yes, that i understand... oh wait... you mean that he might have damaged the original file/dir where the symlink pointed to before he ran it... but then why it disappears if the "top level" symlink is removed? |
| 00:22.42 | bruce2005 | i meant to say 2.4 and later |
| 00:22.49 | benjamindees | joel_, you might see if that patch is included in the Debian kernel |
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| 00:23.11 | shingouz | bruce2005: cant you read? apt-get install the stuff in there, you do not have to make a kernel for yourself |
| 00:23.14 | grumpydog | Any updates on Sarge it is 6 June here |
| 00:23.19 | joel_ | benjamindees: I'll have a look at the links in that web page, thanks |
| 00:23.27 | yarddog | grumpydog: damm |
| 00:23.34 | grumpydog | hiya yarddog |
| 00:23.37 | yarddog | ltns |
| 00:23.38 | bruce2005 | stupid profs |
| 00:23.40 | cafuego | poncha|work: Was the original directory '/latest' ? |
| 00:23.41 | grumpydog | long time no see |
| 00:23.52 | shingouz | bruce2005: just apt-get the stuff there |
| 00:23.54 | grumpydog | doggie doggie :) |
| 00:23.59 | yarddog | w00f |
| 00:24.03 | grumpydog | W00f |
| 00:24.07 | bruce2005 | ya i guess i'm gonna do that caus its much easier |
| 00:24.07 | grumpydog | ;-) |
| 00:24.19 | poncha|work | cafuego, nope... all that was in /backup and target of the symlink originally was a folder "2005060501" |
| 00:24.27 | fido | w00f ® |
| 00:24.31 | grumpydog | lol |
| 00:24.43 | cafuego | poncha|work: So if you run 'ln -s /backup/2005060501 /latest' it will be fine? |
| 00:24.43 | yarddog | omg |
| 00:24.51 | yarddog | that was MY w00f |
| 00:24.51 | fido | don't you guys try to take that away :) |
| 00:25.00 | grumpydog | yarddog, see what you started, |
| 00:25.03 | grumpydog | lol |
| 00:25.05 | yarddog | heh |
| 00:25.14 | joel_ | !bark |
| 00:25.15 | cafuego | DOWN BOY! |
| 00:25.39 | bruce2005 | what is the SKAS mode in UML and is it enabled by default? |
| 00:25.46 | yarddog | hey bitch, get them your self |
| 00:25.48 | yarddog | :) |
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| 00:26.00 | cafuego | bruce2005: That's where you need to install the uml docs and do some reading. |
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| 00:26.18 | yarddog | grumpydog: i think the images are final, probably couple of hrs or so now |
| 00:26.24 | grumpydog | Ok on a serious note how far away are we from Sarge |
| 00:26.36 | Rickdangerous | grumpydog, less than a day |
| 00:26.38 | bruce2005 | cafuego: u know where i could get the uml docs? |
| 00:26.57 | simonrvn | grumpydog: hours |
| 00:26.58 | cafuego | !fgi bruce2005 uml+skas |
| 00:26.59 | dpkg | bruce2005: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=uml+skas |
| 00:27.02 | grumpydog | ok I have to take aout a fedora boxen and put sarge on it. |
| 00:27.10 | yarddog | they're putting the final touches on now |
| 00:27.13 | poncha|work | cafuego, oh.. i found it :) it actually created another one *inside* that folder and recursed into it further... so i just removed the symlink inside the folder and relinked normally. no visible sideeffects |
| 00:27.22 | simonrvn | a box, many boxen |
| 00:27.35 | abrotman | WhiteRabbit: huh? |
| 00:27.50 | joel_ | !fuck sarge |
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| 00:27.58 | Rickdangerous | !fuck woody |
| 00:28.00 | WhiteRabbit | abrotman, Rickdangerous WhiteRabbit, you should ask that abrotman tho Rickdangerous he's the excitement police here |
| 00:28.06 | Rickdangerous | heh |
| 00:28.11 | Rickdangerous | yes that's true |
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| 00:28.14 | YaleR | somebody is damnmnn dirty |
| 00:28.21 | cafuego | !dirty |
| 00:28.23 | bob2 | Rickdangerous: please? |
| 00:28.34 | Rickdangerous | bob2, ? |
| 00:28.36 | simonrvn | dirty rotten scoundrels |
| 00:28.38 | grumpydog | bob2 sort it out |
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| 00:29.05 | cafuego | Hmm, grumpy mondaymorning bob2? |
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| 00:29.23 | bernouli | if i only want to block any packet except from 192.168.0.1, is my rule here all right? http://pastebin.com/295766 |
| 00:29.25 | cafuego | IBEGONE: Hint: don't. |
| 00:29.25 | Rickdangerous | bob2, welcome back |
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| 00:29.37 | cafuego | heh |
| 00:29.37 | Rickdangerous | bob2, really miss you here :) |
| 00:29.45 | bob2 | oh lordy |
| 00:29.50 | Jimboob | Does Anybody know how to change graphic settings in the Debian console? I can't get into my XWindows Desktop and I think it might have something to do with the framebuffer kernel thing. TIA |
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| 00:30.11 | abrotman | WhiteRabbit: what the hell are you talking about ? |
| 00:30.13 | bob2 | Jimboob: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, tell it to use the frambuffer |
| 00:30.13 | chealer | !x windows |
| 00:30.13 | dpkg | It's X dammit!, or ask me about x windows trap. A) The X Window System. B) X |
| 00:30.16 | bob2 | or to not use it |
| 00:30.20 | benjamindees | has anybody ever rsynced two weekly .iso images of the testing release? if so, did it work okay? |
| 00:30.21 | Jimboob | thanks heaps |
| 00:30.21 | cafuego | bernouli: Nearly. |
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| 00:31.03 | bernouli | cafuego, point me my fault? |
| 00:31.11 | cafuego | bernouli: You *only* want to allow traffic from 192.168.0.1? |
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| 00:31.17 | zefred | hello |
| 00:31.22 | zefred | who use Pureftp? |
| 00:31.29 | bernouli | cafuego, yes, it is from router |
| 00:31.34 | joel_ | whoa, I wrote a shell script that types out a string, char by char, with random delay |
| 00:31.38 | WhiteRabbit | abrotman, Rickdangerous said you was the excitement police when I was talking about debian 3.01 excitement so I was like k |
| 00:31.45 | joel_ | it looks like the computer is typing, how cute isn't that!! |
| 00:31.56 | Rickdangerous | WhiteRabbit, ok got it :) |
| 00:31.56 | cafuego | bernouli: Well, the '! 192.168.0.1' means you accept ONLY from machines thata re _not_ 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:32.09 | cafuego | bernouli: ie: you block your router, but nothing else |
| 00:32.10 | bernouli | ach right, shit |
| 00:32.21 | chealer | !tell zefred about msg you |
| 00:32.29 | Rickdangerous | benjamindees, sarge is relased today. so wait for final isos if you can |
| 00:32.36 | cafuego | bernouli: Just a moment... |
| 00:32.39 | bruce2005 | to get the uml package do i type "apt-get install uml" caus that didn't work |
| 00:32.54 | zefred | I made a virtual user pure-pw useradd joe -u ftpuser -d /home/ftpusers/joe |
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| 00:33.07 | bob2 | bruce2005: er, you would ned to find the right package name |
| 00:33.08 | K_Dallas | bruce2005, if you have synaptic, run it and search for UML |
| 00:33.15 | zefred | and when i logged in " 530 auth failed, sorry |
| 00:33.18 | zefred | who help me? |
| 00:33.21 | bob2 | bruce2005: apt-cache search user-mode |
| 00:33.25 | shingouz | !tell bruce about search |
| 00:33.35 | shingouz | !tell bruce2005 about search |
| 00:33.44 | Rickdangerous | point bruca a howto or synaptic |
| 00:33.50 | Rickdangerous | bruce2005* |
| 00:33.51 | benjamindees | Rickdangerous, yeah, I know; just wanted to start up a bittorrent server when it's released |
| 00:33.57 | abrotman | WhiteRabbit: ignore Rickdangerous .. he's an idiot |
| 00:34.20 | cafuego | bernouli: http://pastebin.com/295768 |
| 00:34.23 | WhiteRabbit | hah |
| 00:34.44 | Rickdangerous | benjamindees, well ask in devel shannel or. wait for the release before sending an email? |
| 00:34.52 | Rickdangerous | channel* |
| 00:34.53 | shingouz | WhiteRabbit: most of us already have him on ignore i think |
| 00:35.09 | Rickdangerous | ok guys stop being children please |
| 00:35.15 | Rickdangerous | this is not a kindergarten |
| 00:35.16 | WhiteRabbit | that poor guy |
| 00:35.39 | shingouz | WhiteRabbit: just a moron |
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| 00:35.47 | bob2 | lord |
| 00:35.47 | joel_ | nein das is nicht ein kindergarten nein |
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| 00:35.50 | bob2 | Rickdangerous: stop it |
| 00:35.51 | bernouli | cafuego, RETURN? |
| 00:36.09 | WhiteRabbit | Rickdangerous, whos cornflakes have you been messing with you naughty boy you |
| 00:36.11 | cafuego | bernouli: ReTURN explicitly jumps back to the parent chain. Just for clarity. |
| 00:36.17 | cafuego | bernouli: You can leave it out |
| 00:36.19 | Rickdangerous | bob2, you saw everything I. no comment |
| 00:36.30 | bob2 | please just stop being so damn annoying |
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| 00:37.04 | Rickdangerous | bob2, I don't think I can understand the situation here |
| 00:37.08 | joel_ | no harm, the regulars like it |
| 00:37.13 | cafuego | bernouli: With the '-P DROP' evertything is blocked by default, so you only need to specify what to accept. |
| 00:37.14 | joel_ | they ranter at it like crazy |
| 00:37.36 | Empty | So i will *not* be able to run a linux SoftAP with 802.11g? Or is all this info I am finding dated? I find this hard to believe |
| 00:37.55 | asker | there is two directories that has same directories for example: ~/dirone/dir/diiir/ and ~/dirtwo/dir/diiir/ and these directories have different files .. i want to merge these files |
| 00:37.57 | asker | how can i do ? |
| 00:37.58 | cafuego | Empty: only if you use a supported 802.11g card |
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| 00:38.08 | cafuego | Empty: See www.prism54.org |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | for the AP ? |
| 00:38.37 | Rickdangerous | bob2, can I come private? |
| 00:38.37 | Empty | cafuego, all the info I am finding is that .11b is supported w/ the Prism2 chipset but there is no .11g |
| 00:38.48 | Empty | ok thanks cafuego |
| 00:38.49 | bernouli | cafuego, if i block everything except from router, it means i cant access internet, since the router do the ip_forward and use the remote adress as source adress, or am i wrong? |
| 00:38.52 | cafuego | Empty: I find a cheap $80 AP appliance is much easier and eats far less power, though. |
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| 00:39.24 | cafuego | bernouli: No, internet stuff to you is matched by the RELATED/ESTABLISHED line, so it's allowed back in. |
| 00:39.36 | Empty | cafuego, yes, I dig that, but I kind of want to roll my own because I have a masochistic idea of fun |
| 00:39.40 | nse | why debian do not have a desktop and a professional distro? |
| 00:39.44 | cafuego | bernouli: So you can connect out and get responses. NEW connections won't be allowed IN though. |
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| 00:39.51 | bob2 | nse: #idiot-trolls |
| 00:39.56 | shingouz | heh |
| 00:40.01 | joel_ | nse: debian no like |
| 00:40.03 | jp | hi guys, I installed woody and I added these sources http://source.rfc822.org/pub/local/gnoppix/gnome/gnome2.4/ to get gnome 2.4 which command have I to use to install it? thanks guys! :D |
| 00:40.08 | asker | anyone help me ? |
| 00:40.16 | joel_ | asker: I help you |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | !tell jp about woody->sarge |
| 00:40.17 | shingouz | jp: you dont. |
| 00:40.21 | Rickdangerous | bob2, I haven't done any trolling |
| 00:40.23 | Empty | 'nse: Write to Debian Corporate HQ and ask them |
| 00:40.24 | bernouli | cafuego, i see, that means if i use that rule, anyone from lan cant access me right? |
| 00:40.27 | Rickdangerous | bob2, sick of tihs too |
| 00:40.30 | cafuego | nse: Those only work if you chanrge a different amount of money for either. pleae donate $199 before installing gcc and apache, thanks. |
| 00:40.34 | trave11er | asker: what do you mean by "merge"? |
| 00:40.38 | DaCa | Empty: go for an atheros card, so you get a,b and g |
| 00:40.41 | cafuego | bernouli: Correct |
| 00:41.05 | shingouz | jp: do not use anything else than debian sources, those are gnoppix stuff and using them makes your install pretty much unsupportable |
| 00:41.13 | bob2 | jp: gnome 2.4 is very very old, as is woody |
| 00:41.22 | jp | yep |
| 00:41.23 | bob2 | jp: I'd really just upgrade to sarge at this point |
| 00:41.23 | Rickdangerous | bob2, telling sarge is out is not trolling. they beliee I don'T care if it's released. that's a wrong assumption |
| 00:41.25 | joel_ | as am I |
| 00:41.25 | Empty | DaCa ahhh yes but the hostap support is what is important to me and the laptop I am getting soon has no A... I don't need the newest toys just ones that play when and how I want |
| 00:41.30 | jp | I know I want to use it :) |
| 00:41.37 | bob2 | jp: how come? |
| 00:42.09 | Rickdangerous | bob2, by the way I'm sick of you being like tolarating me while I'm just defending against my rights. |
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| 00:42.22 | Rickdangerous | defending my rights, sorry |
| 00:42.24 | joel_ | chill rick |
| 00:42.33 | Supaplex | a while back I set the windows and samba passwords identical, but used differeing passwords for shell logins. Now i've since forgotten the samba password. Are they stored in any manner that allows me to decode them? What can I use to do this, and what files are involved? |
| 00:42.33 | abrotman | !be rick james |
| 00:42.34 | FieldySnuts | rights on irc. right... |
| 00:42.37 | bob2 | Rickdangerous: I don't understand what you are saying |
| 00:42.50 | pngwn | Rickdangerous, what makes you think you have rights in #debian? |
| 00:42.51 | asker | trave11er i want to copy all files from ~/dirone/dir/* to ~/dirtwo/dir/ and from ~/dirone/dir/diiir/* to ~/dirone/dir/diiir/ with one command |
| 00:42.54 | nse | bob2, joel_, Empty, cafuego: maybe it's becouse debian users do not understand those bondaries quite well, no? |
| 00:42.58 | Rickdangerous | bob2, I don'.t understand why they are not kicked |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | i can't believe Rickdangerous is still here |
| 00:43.06 | bob2 | nse: please just go away |
| 00:43.13 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: i know. irritating. |
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| 00:43.14 | shingouz | abrotman: he is? |
| 00:43.25 | bob2 | nse: I think it's because Debian users thing the difference is stupid and pointless |
| 00:43.26 | abrotman | shingouz: either that or bob2 is imagining things again |
| 00:43.30 | grumpydog | bob2 just op and lay down the law |
| 00:43.32 | shingouz | hehe |
| 00:43.35 | bob2 | oh shut up |
| 00:43.36 | bob2 | jesus |
| 00:43.41 | joel_ | leave the trolls be! |
| 00:43.47 | trave11er | asker: and two cp commands will not cut it why? |
| 00:43.48 | bob2 | Rickdangerous: stop being so damn annoying |
| 00:43.50 | Rickdangerous | bob2, so fregulars of you stay here even they act like an ass |
| 00:44.02 | bob2 | Rickdangerous: you're acting like an ass, too |
| 00:44.02 | abrotman | yeah .. he's only been told that about 10 times |
| 00:44.08 | Rickdangerous | bob2, I'm annoying because these people attacked me witjout any good reason |
| 00:44.09 | asker | trave11er that's only example... there're many directories like that |
| 00:44.13 | Rickdangerous | and ops doesn |
| 00:44.22 | bob2 | Rickdangerous: then shut up |
| 00:44.22 | Rickdangerous | 't stop them... |
| 00:44.24 | joel_ | so now bob2 even is joining the food fight |
| 00:44.25 | joel_ | amazing |
| 00:44.26 | cafuego | Rickdangerous: /ignore <user> |
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| 00:44.40 | trave11er | asker: i still don't understand the problem. just copy them one by one, or something |
| 00:44.40 | Rickdangerous | cafuego, ok but should I ignore the op too? |
| 00:44.45 | yarddog | i want chips with my coke plz |
| 00:44.45 | error403 | ... |
| 00:44.46 | error403 | lol |
| 00:44.53 | cafuego | Rickdangerous: Is anyone stopping you from doing so? |
| 00:44.53 | joel_ | I want chips with my wine |
| 00:44.59 | nse | bob2: that's exactly what I meant, you're not very cool, right? |
| 00:45.01 | Rickdangerous | cafuego, ok |
| 00:45.03 | bernouli | cafuego, cant we left line 9? |
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| 00:45.09 | joel_ | fucking good wine for 5 euro, awesome |
| 00:45.27 | joel_ | bob2 is a cool cat |
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| 00:45.43 | cafuego | bernouli: No. |
| 00:45.53 | error403 | ... |
| 00:45.56 | cafuego | bernouli: That's the one that makes it secure |
| 00:45.59 | grumpydog | Oh lord here we go again |
| 00:46.10 | crn | joel_: 5 euro is a lot of money here. |
| 00:46.22 | abrotman | isn't 5 euro 5 euro ? |
| 00:46.27 | bob2 | nse: are you done or not? |
| 00:46.28 | bernouli | cafuego, but wont line 12 does what the line 9 should do? |
| 00:46.29 | yarddog | ive never seen such bickering in this channel as today |
| 00:46.29 | jharrison | any ideas why when I place an ip with hostname in the /etc/hosts file the system still tries to resolve to the external dns servers? |
| 00:46.30 | nse | bob2: sorry for myself, it's time for you to understand your own been |
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| 00:46.44 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 00:46.44 | joel_ | abrotman: he's trying to say that it is expensive money over there :) |
| 00:46.48 | shingouz | abrotman: more than 6 usd |
| 00:46.54 | Solet-deb | !sing sunday |
| 00:46.54 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 00:46.59 | abrotman | shingouz: heh |
| 00:47.01 | cafuego | bernouli: No, because the block chains ONLY contains rules that ALLOW traffic. |
| 00:47.03 | abrotman | shingouz: wine in a box! |
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| 00:47.21 | shingouz | abrotman: i didnt say i drink it though :) |
| 00:47.22 | benjamindees | hey, don't knock wine in a box :( |
| 00:47.25 | cadu | hello! how can i change locale on a per-user basis the Debian Way ? |
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| 00:47.28 | abrotman | shingouz: heh |
| 00:47.48 | joel_ | gotta check where this is made.. |
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| 00:48.08 | DaCa | cadu: just change the LANG environment variable |
| 00:48.13 | bernouli | cafuego, ah i see, if i put on line 3 iptables -A block -j DROP, then it should ok |
| 00:48.26 | bernouli | cafuego, i didnt see, that you delete that line |
| 00:48.28 | cadu | DaCa: there isn't a program that set things up for a user ? |
| 00:48.30 | cafuego | bernouli: That's defeats the point of having a secure firewall. |
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| 00:48.53 | Solet-deb | jharrison: is your syntax correct in /etc/hosts? |
| 00:48.58 | jetscreamer | heh i changed my kid from gnome to kde a while a go.. she complained that she didn't like it.. so i installed enlightenment |
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| 00:49.07 | abrotman | bob2: i'm not sure how you understood that well enough to +q him :) |
| 00:49.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: your poor kid |
| 00:49.41 | jharrison | Solet-deb: sure is as far as I can see |
| 00:49.55 | Empty | cafuego, so what I am seeing is that the prism54's all support wireless ap mode? |
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| 00:50.07 | benjamindees | jharrison, check /etc/nsswitch.conf too |
| 00:50.42 | DaCa | cadu: I dont know, never looked for it, its not particulary hard to set an environment var :) |
| 00:51.04 | cadu | DaCa: i know , thanks |
| 00:51.05 | jetscreamer | i'm thinking xfce4 maybe.. or twm :) |
| 00:51.20 | Rickdangerous | jetscreamer, why not stay with gnome? |
| 00:51.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ion3! |
| 00:51.29 | bernouli | cafuego, sorry i dont really understand why is iptables -A block -j DROP not secure enough |
| 00:51.42 | abrotman | ask #iptables to explain it |
| 00:51.51 | jharrison | benjamindees: I have hosts: files dns in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 00:51.53 | DaCa | abrotman: wmi! :) |
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| 00:52.05 | jetscreamer | i'm tired of gnome, so i changed all the boxen :) besides, exposure to other ways is good |
| 00:52.11 | benjamindees | jharrison, what util are you using to "look up" the host? |
| 00:52.18 | Rickdangerous | jetscreamer, I see. |
| 00:52.43 | jetscreamer | soon comes the time when i hand her some parts and an install cd |
| 00:52.53 | jetscreamer | 'you say you want a computer' |
| 00:53.05 | cafuego | Honestly. |
| 00:53.08 | Rickdangerous | well you know... |
| 00:53.23 | jetscreamer | i had her build that one also |
| 00:53.25 | shingouz | jetscreamer: and a few years later you just give her a few lumps of iron ore and a handful of sand? ;) |
| 00:53.32 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 00:53.53 | K_Dallas | shingouz, that would not count for the polymer parts ;) |
| 00:54.00 | jetscreamer | or a gift card at a computer store |
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| 00:54.15 | shingouz | K_Dallas: welll.. something has yo be bought, of course :) |
| 00:54.20 | Rickdangerous | K_Dallas, that's where her talent is needed |
| 00:54.20 | shingouz | s/yo/to |
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| 00:54.32 | K_Dallas | sure :) |
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| 00:54.41 | jetscreamer | i was glad to see they got e loading up via session manager (or whatever) |
| 00:54.53 | K_Dallas | so you could add a bag full of planktons ;) |
| 00:55.02 | shingouz | plankton? |
| 00:55.04 | bruce2005 | what was the command to check the distr. version again |
| 00:55.15 | K_Dallas | shingouz, plankton -> petrol -> polymer |
| 00:55.17 | shingouz | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:55.24 | simonrvn | plankton powah. see google news or such |
| 00:55.25 | shingouz | K_Dallas: ok, i see |
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| 00:55.40 | Gnurdux | so hows sarge goin? |
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| 00:55.50 | simonrvn | going |
| 00:55.53 | Rickdangerous | Gnurdux, it will be released as promised |
| 00:56.09 | Gnurdux | tomorrow? |
| 00:56.10 | Gnurdux | nice |
| 00:56.14 | Rickdangerous | today hehe |
| 00:56.19 | Gnurdux | will gnome 2.10 come into unstable? |
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| 00:56.24 | Gnurdux | today, 11:59 pm? |
| 00:56.38 | Gnurdux | im on sarge now and i want gnome 2.10! |
| 00:56.38 | Rickdangerous | Gnurdux, no about 04:00 |
| 00:56.48 | Gnurdux | thats not today |
| 00:56.49 | Rickdangerous | Gnurdux, wait for backports |
| 00:56.57 | Nigel_ | GMT? |
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| 00:57.02 | simonrvn | just be patient. you waited this long, a few more hours won't hurt |
| 00:57.03 | Gnurdux | no when sarge comes out... |
| 00:57.08 | Nigel_ | 0400GMT? |
| 00:57.09 | jharrison | benjamindees: I just put the ip of the host and the hostname in /etc/hosts and was expecting that once I did that it would find the hostname in the /etc/hosts file and know the ip for that hostname |
| 00:57.10 | Gnurdux | then ill officially be on etc |
| 00:57.12 | Gnurdux | *etch |
| 00:57.15 | Rickdangerous | Nigel_, East European Time |
| 00:57.17 | simonrvn | ... |
| 00:57.24 | jharrison | benjamindees: so when I ping the hostname I get replies and such |
| 00:57.27 | simonrvn | children sometimes... |
| 00:57.29 | Gnurdux | i havent dist-upgraded in a while |
| 00:57.34 | K_Dallas | just out of curiosity, i see these packages being released and written every now and then (for linux mostly) and they adopt all sort of names which might be sued in the court because of copyright etc but is it a concern in the linux community at all (or should i say opensouce rather) or people do not really care about the copyright and stuff? |
| 00:57.36 | Gnurdux | testing is the best |
| 00:57.37 | jharrison | benjamindees: but when I go to send mail to the host it does not work |
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| 00:57.43 | Nigel_ | ohhh, so GMT+1 (or is it +2) |
| 00:57.48 | jharrison | benjamindees: and I can see it is trying to query dns |
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| 00:57.59 | simonrvn | Nigel_: ENOCONTEXT |
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| 00:58.02 | benjamindees | jharrison, so, ping works, but not your MTA; which MTA is it? |
| 00:58.06 | Rickdangerous | Nigel_, GMT+2 for summer +3 for winter |
| 00:58.08 | jharrison | benjamindees: postfix |
| 00:58.12 | simonrvn | never mind |
| 00:58.14 | Rickdangerous | or reverse :) |
| 00:58.31 | benjamindees | jharrison, ah, of course :) |
| 00:58.31 | Rickdangerous | +3 for summer |
| 00:58.50 | Nigel_ | err, so 7pm my time |
| 00:58.53 | jharrison | benjamindees: postfix has some strange lookup habits doesnt it? |
| 00:59.04 | Rickdangerous | Nigel_, where are you? |
| 00:59.08 | simonrvn | i gotta get dinner ready |
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| 00:59.19 | Nigel_ | Rickdangerous: NZ (GMT+12) |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | simonrvn: you're always eating |
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| 00:59.33 | Rickdangerous | and it's not monday yet? |
| 00:59.36 | benjamindees | jharrison, in my experience :) |
| 00:59.41 | benjamindees | jharrison, brb... |
| 01:00.51 | Nigel_ | Rickdangerous: yeah, monday... 1301 |
| 01:01.18 | bruce2005 | having serious problems, ran apt-cache search user-mode , but dont c any UML kernels, there r UML utilities and documentation and skas but no kernel :( is it because i have the latest kernel |
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| 01:01.28 | Rickdangerous | Nigel_, it can't be 13:01 ntpdate it |
| 01:01.32 | simonrvn | always? i wish ;p. nah, not really, i'd get health issues (or not, i eat like a horse, and don't get fat :|) |
| 01:01.44 | bruce2005 | *is it because i DONT have the latest kernel |
| 01:01.58 | shingouz | bruce2005: try some other search patterns too |
| 01:02.00 | Rickdangerous | bruce2005, no. please don't torture us and youself |
| 01:02.13 | simonrvn | why would not finding something in your cache have to do with your kernel? |
| 01:02.27 | simonrvn | s/why/what/ |
| 01:02.34 | shingouz | simonrvn: he wants a UML kernel... |
| 01:03.02 | simonrvn | he's been asking about it for hours. you'd think he'd grow a clue and read the goddamned docs |
| 01:03.09 | Nigel_ | Rickdangerous: ok, it's now 1303 ;) |
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| 01:03.21 | mrwoody | what is a good and light alternative to Exim? |
| 01:03.28 | shingouz | simonrvn: i think so too. it seems that he doesnt read too well on the channel either |
| 01:03.29 | bruce2005 | i know i've been sittin here for 5 hrs |
| 01:03.38 | asg | mrwoody: it depends on the functionality you need |
| 01:03.43 | bruce2005 | i'm reading guys |
| 01:03.44 | shingouz | bruce2005: read the goddamned docs already! |
| 01:03.47 | benjamindees | jharrison, you know postfix runs in chroot in debian? |
| 01:03.48 | Empty | nse, or maybe some of us have dozens of users using Debian desktops in a corporate environment and can't figure out if you are actually clueless or simply a not-very-good troll? |
| 01:03.50 | Rickdangerous | Nigel_, yes 01:00 + 12:00 =13:00 :) |
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| 01:04.00 | bruce2005 | shingooz: which docs r u referring too |
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| 01:04.11 | benjamindees | Empty, not very good troll, definitely |
| 01:04.15 | simonrvn | and maybe a dictionary too... |
| 01:04.21 | shingouz | bruce2005: man apt-get, man apt-cache and a few others to begin with |
| 01:04.29 | jharrison | benjamindees: yes I know this |
| 01:04.44 | Rickdangerous | bruce2005, apt-get install synaptic and use it |
| 01:04.47 | mrwoody | asg: well I never use exim but I need to have it because otherwise I need to remove a lot of other packages that I need (because of the dependencies)... so the least as possible |
| 01:04.59 | asg | mrwoody: oh, then go with ssmtp or nullmailer |
| 01:05.06 | Empty | benjamindees, yeah I know I just like making them try to act like a clueless n00b to get their trolling done. |
| 01:05.08 | DaCa | mrwoody: if you are a home user and probably not having to listen smtp to the outside, I'd suggest nullmailer |
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| 01:05.37 | mrwoody | asg: nullmailer sounds good! ;-) I didn't know about it |
| 01:05.47 | Rickdangerous | benjamindees, have you started mirroring? |
| 01:05.51 | mrwoody | DaCa: Thanks... that sounds good |
| 01:05.59 | asg | mrwoody: both that and ssmtp provide the very basic mta functionality necessary for a unix system. |
| 01:06.10 | simonrvn | mrwoody: hint: apt-cache search mail-transport-agent shows all the packages that fulfill the MTA requirement |
| 01:06.19 | benjamindees | Rickdangerous, no, I'm going to wait |
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| 01:07.08 | bruce2005 | i guess the best thing;s to install a goddamn kde |
| 01:07.18 | mrwoody | simonrvn: sure, but it wouldn't tell me which one is the lightest.. that is why I asked here! ;-) |
| 01:07.23 | bruce2005 | but then i have to install a qt |
| 01:07.27 | bruce2005 | n how do i do that |
| 01:07.46 | bruce2005 | about to break my computer |
| 01:07.51 | trave11er | bruce2005: install kernel-doc-2.6.11 and read /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.6.11/Documentation/uml/UserModeLinux-HOWTO.txt.gz |
| 01:08.03 | trave11er | that should be a good starting point |
| 01:08.06 | Rickdangerous | bruce2005, you can't find much help here. search for deiban newbie howtos |
| 01:08.14 | Rickdangerous | debian* |
| 01:08.18 | shingouz | trave11er: dont make him complile a custom, he is not up to it yet i think |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 01:08.25 | abrotman | he can't fidn help with qt ? |
| 01:08.28 | abrotman | why the hell not? |
| 01:08.39 | Rickdangerous | not efficiently |
| 01:08.43 | asg | abrotman: nobody pointed him at #debian-kde perhaps. |
| 01:08.47 | bruce2005 | i cant even install anything, caus i can't download anything |
| 01:08.51 | trave11er | shingouz: i am not sure there is an uml kernel in debian |
| 01:08.59 | asg | trave11er: there is |
| 01:08.59 | trave11er | shingouz: so it might be his only option |
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| 01:09.03 | trave11er | asg: oh |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | asg: but he just wants libqt3-dev ? |
| 01:09.31 | asg | abrotman: dunno, he should /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
| 01:09.57 | shingouz | oh $deity, don't let him compile yet! |
| 01:10.06 | abrotman | asg: oh .. but Rickdangerous says we're too stupid to help .. we should stop helping |
| 01:10.24 | abrotman | bruce2005: why can't you download anything ? |
| 01:10.37 | bruce2005 | becaus i cant |
| 01:10.42 | shingouz | why is that? |
| 01:10.43 | bruce2005 | for some reason |
| 01:10.45 | abrotman | oh .. you sound like my mom |
| 01:10.49 | bruce2005 | i dont have a browser |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | you don't need a browser |
| 01:10.55 | shingouz | install one then |
| 01:11.01 | abrotman | bruce2005: what are you trying to install ? |
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| 01:11.05 | asg | abrotman: yeah, sounds like slf the other day. |
| 01:11.10 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:11.19 | bruce2005 | k trying to install the latest kernel, and then the UML kernel |
| 01:11.24 | bruce2005 | thas all i need to do |
| 01:11.27 | Rickdangerous | bruce2005, please have a visit here http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:11.28 | abrotman | and you need qt for that ? |
| 01:11.29 | bruce2005 | hehe ALL |
| 01:11.38 | abrotman | Rickdangerous: that won't help him at all .. |
| 01:11.43 | bruce2005 | no qt for the kde |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | bruce2005: to compile with ? |
| 01:12.22 | bruce2005 | do install kde u need qt |
| 01:12.30 | abrotman | apt-get install kde |
| 01:12.33 | shingouz | bruce2005: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.(whatever is the latest on debian)-(your cpu) |
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| 01:12.53 | asg | shingouz: better to have them install 'kernel-image' and pick from the list provided. |
| 01:12.54 | shingouz | bruce2005: and when you're done with it i'd like to have my silver platter back, mind you |
| 01:13.08 | bruce2005 | lol |
| 01:13.46 | ethics | bruce2005, to install apps on debian the normal way you would use apt-get & apt-cache.....you will need to learn about those tools very quickly |
| 01:13.55 | shingouz | i will go outside to kick the neighbors cat. if the cat is not available i will kick the neighbor instead. brb |
| 01:14.02 | chops | bruce2005: You also want 'apt-get install kernel-patch-uml' for UML. Installing a custom Debianized kernel is not completely trivial though. |
| 01:14.09 | asg | shingouz: start with the neighbor first |
| 01:14.19 | shingouz | asg: happily |
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| 01:14.32 | asg | shingouz: you get extra points for kicking mine |
| 01:14.47 | ethics | random query here...what is UML? |
| 01:14.48 | mwilson | No, to install apps on Debian the "normal" way, they would stay away from apt-get and use one of the package managers. |
| 01:15.12 | asg | ethics: User Mode Linux (re: the above discussion) |
| 01:15.13 | jpeg | user mode linux? |
| 01:15.24 | Empty | ethics, user-mode-linux, allows you to run virtual linux instances |
| 01:15.25 | bruce2005 | i can start crackin now |
| 01:15.47 | ethics | asg: ahh cool ...was afk...just missed the abrteviation |
| 01:16.06 | Empty | ethics, it's like if vmware had mad monkey sex with chroot- UML would be their bastard offspring |
| 01:16.14 | Rickdangerous | unified modelling? language, also |
| 01:16.16 | jp | abrotman, im getting gnome 2.2 :) |
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| 01:16.46 | Rickdangerous | -l |
| 01:16.51 | abrotman | jp: why not just upgrade to sarge ? |
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| 01:17.26 | hdo781 | Can somebody help me with an error message from mplayer? |
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| 01:17.36 | abrotman | #mplayer |
| 01:17.54 | jim | hdo781: it |
| 01:17.54 | ethics | Empty, i think vmware would be the passive partner in that one.. |
| 01:18.10 | hdo781 | What does that mean? |
| 01:18.14 | bruce2005 | i love vmware |
| 01:18.15 | jim | hdo781: it isn't a debian package (can't be: license and legal issues) |
| 01:18.23 | abrotman | hdo781: it means to go there .. mplayer isn't in debian |
| 01:18.28 | hdo781 | Oh. Okay. |
| 01:18.31 | jim | hdo781: hence it isn't supported here |
| 01:18.31 | ethics | hdo781 what message |
| 01:18.52 | ethics | bruce2005, dont it's an annoying piece of junk on bad days....good days it's great |
| 01:18.55 | jp | abrotman 'cause im trying how was gnome in the past :) If I want to be bleeding edge, i'm but on another pc (running sid with gnome 2.10.1 - mono 1.1.7 - dbus mono support, gtk-sharp 1.0.10, gtk-sharp 1.9.5 muone, fspot,etc. do u follow me? Just trying older technologies :) |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | ethics: go to #mplayer with him :) |
| 01:19.05 | asg | ethics: mplayer: error: can't play ROTS due to new DRM features. |
| 01:19.08 | jim | well unless someone wants to help |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:19.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:19.18 | Empty | ethics, probably, yeah. chroot with vmware running underneath it ;) |
| 01:19.22 | abrotman | jp: erm .. ok .. but why not use the gnome1.4 that woody has ? |
| 01:19.29 | aficionado | is there a command to find what package a file is part of (just some file, not one that is one a system)? |
| 01:19.36 | asg | aficionado: apt-file |
| 01:19.37 | bruce2005 | ethics, i never had a problem with it, i think its pretty cool to be able to run two OS's at the same time |
| 01:19.37 | aficionado | s/one/on |
| 01:19.44 | ethics | abrotman, will do...i just figured it would be a new install issue 8) ill go check hehe |
| 01:20.03 | aficionado | asg: ah, I'll check that out... thanks! |
| 01:20.03 | Empty | asg LOL |
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| 01:20.18 | jp | abrotman 'cause I already tried it, now I want to try another versions :) |
| 01:20.28 | jim | jp: so upgrade to sarge |
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| 01:20.51 | jp | jim yes, i'll do it LOL |
| 01:20.52 | jim | sarge is very likely going to be released as stable within hours |
| 01:21.04 | jp | jim don't you hear me? |
| 01:21.11 | jp | im trying how was gnome in the past :) If I want to be bleeding edge, i'm but on another pc (running sid with gnome 2.10.1 - mono 1.1.7 - dbus mono support, gtk-sharp 1.0.10, gtk-sharp 1.9.5 muone, fspot,etc. do u follow me? Just trying older technologies :) |
| 01:21.25 | abrotman | ethics: mplayer isn't in debian .. |
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| 01:21.32 | abrotman | jp: ok .. have fun |
| 01:21.39 | jim | jp: gnome in woody was 1.4, according to abrotman :) |
| 01:21.41 | Xinux | omg |
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| 01:21.43 | Xinux | its Xinux |
| 01:21.44 | ethics | bruce2005, run physical disks.....partitioning screws up accross OSes oddly....im not saying its an everypone thing but ive lost 3 partitions in 6 months.....luckily i backup vmware daily because i like to see the flashing lights flicker.. |
| 01:21.46 | jim | which you already tried |
| 01:21.52 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel woody |
| 01:21.54 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (Launch and/or dock Gnome applications), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.4.0.6-5 (woody), Packaged size: 467 kB, Installed size: 1124 kB |
| 01:22.02 | abrotman | jim: he used a backport i think |
| 01:22.03 | jp | abrotman thanks ;) |
| 01:22.10 | Supaplex | what I don't get is why everyone is waiting for sarge to move into the stable tree. it's already fscking stable. *g*. just upgrade or stfu until it's announced. :-X |
| 01:22.15 | ethics | abrotman:yeah thus i was expecting how can i install question hehe.. |
| 01:22.31 | jp | jim but I already used it, now I want to use gnome 2.2 :) |
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| 01:22.32 | abrotman | Supaplex: i'd like you to meet Rickdangerous |
| 01:22.41 | TimeKilla | Hey guys |
| 01:22.45 | Supaplex | abrotman: he's been on ignore for a while now. |
| 01:22.46 | hdo781 | Where does Debian store it's fonts? |
| 01:22.49 | jim | Supaplex: no, not yet. it will be stable when it's released, and the first batch of bugs against it have been fixed |
| 01:22.51 | abrotman | Supaplex: heh |
| 01:23.06 | shingouz | asg: the cats the neighbor and the mailman have been kicked. one cat twice. oh, i had a smoke too :p |
| 01:23.15 | black13 | the source for ifupdown_0.6.4 is corrupt on the debian site |
| 01:23.20 | jim | s/stable/called "stable"/ |
| 01:23.32 | jharriso1 | benjamindees: using the host I want as a mail relay works |
| 01:23.47 | asg | shingouz: I like cats, can't stand most people though: Total points 0.5 (for the smoke) |
| 01:23.53 | TimeKilla | I'm here seeking support for the installation of a debian ISO I acquired from the Debian.org site. Its the netinst file. Basically the error message is "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." Any idea.. |
| 01:24.00 | shingouz | asg: hehe :D |
| 01:24.08 | dondelelcaro | TimeKilla: which iso? |
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| 01:24.18 | bruce2005 | what is the command to configure my setting when installed linux at first |
| 01:24.37 | asg | bruce2005: base-config |
| 01:24.41 | abrotman | basep0cfnig |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | wow .. |
| 01:24.42 | dondelelcaro | TimeKilla: read /topic, and don't /msg me. |
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| 01:24.46 | abrotman | just listen to asg |
| 01:24.49 | jim | it is pretty stable now, and it even has security.d.o backing it up |
| 01:24.50 | benjamindees | jharriso1, the faq says postfix uses gethostbyname(); I can send you a program to test with if you want |
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| 01:24.58 | Empty | bruce2005, huh?? |
| 01:24.59 | abrotman | jim: /msg dpkg sarge security issues |
| 01:25.17 | george_007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.17 | jim | didit |
| 01:25.23 | Supaplex | I do have one question though. Where can I get the .config for the kernel package in use by d-i? My poor B132l always locks up before it gets to init on the .deb kernel... (I want to compare the two .config's to see why) |
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| 01:25.34 | jim | george_007: yer spacing! |
| 01:25.39 | asg | Supaplex: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | Supaplex: should be on the CD |
| 01:25.52 | george_007 | jim: I see |
| 01:25.55 | jharriso1 | benjamindees: that is a C function right? |
| 01:26.14 | bruce2005 | i wanted to c what kind of video card i chose, how do i change that |
| 01:26.23 | asg | bruce2005: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:26.27 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 01:26.27 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 01:26.30 | jharriso1 | !c |
| 01:26.31 | dpkg | See, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you. |
| 01:26.34 | benjamindees | jharriso1, yes |
| 01:26.54 | jim | Supaplex: assuming that kerneo is the one that gets installed in your new installation, you'll find it in /boot |
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| 01:27.06 | jharriso1 | benjamindees: if there is no easy way to get postfix to not use this that is ok I can relay mail which works fine |
| 01:27.48 | jim | but also, debian-installer can use the existing kernels (and also does do so). 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 from sarge, and 2.6.11 when it's ready |
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| 01:29.08 | benjamindees | jharriso1, up to you, but there's a program here if you want to test: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2004-06/2236.html |
| 01:29.13 | Supaplex | i want the .config that matches the running kernel off the cd. the one it installs is apparently different. that's unless there's some majic way to disable initrd and boot flat off /dev/sdX |
| 01:29.33 | hdo781 | At Debian's website, there were non-free, contrib, and main repositories, but I don't see any packages in the non-free and contrib repositories in the Debian mirrors. How do you access these repositories? |
| 01:29.42 | Supaplex | i've always had poor luck with inventing a workaround :) |
| 01:29.53 | shingouz | Supaplex: a custom kernel? ;) |
| 01:30.03 | Supaplex | I plan on it. :) |
| 01:30.17 | benjamindees | Supaplex, off the install cd? |
| 01:30.20 | jim | hdo781: they use the pool system... but look at packages.debian.org, and man 5 sources.list |
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| 01:31.02 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 01:31.30 | jim | I'm trying to make 2.6.11 d-i images but I'm learning the d-i build system, so it'll be awhile |
| 01:31.30 | simonrvn | benjamindees: chroot, build kernel, install new kernel, edit bootloader if needed, exit chroot, umount everything, reboot |
| 01:31.46 | jim | I actually have kernel udebs already |
| 01:31.56 | simonrvn | assuming you've mounted everything after chrooting that is ;) |
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| 01:32.22 | jim | mwilson: for people who have sata-only machines |
| 01:32.29 | simonrvn | 2.6.8 is patched to hell already. don't really need .11 |
| 01:32.35 | jim | (not me, but I thought I'd try to help) |
| 01:32.46 | jim | 2.6.8 doesn't support sata |
| 01:33.08 | jim | or doesn't support it in a way that works |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | jim: that's bullshit |
| 01:33.58 | benjamindees | simonrvn, why do you keep telling me these things? :p |
| 01:33.59 | dvs | So? Where's sarge? |
| 01:34.10 | abrotman | jim: i use it at work .. works perfectly fine |
| 01:34.31 | simonrvn | benjamindees: because i thought you might need it, or anyone else for that matter |
| 01:34.35 | jim | dvs: on the mirrors... download, install, have fun... see if it gets released today |
| 01:35.26 | jim | abrotman: do you use the debian-installer kernel/ |
| 01:35.29 | jim | ? |
| 01:35.50 | abrotman | jim: i did |
| 01:35.58 | asg | !give dvs a wet slickery kiss |
| 01:35.59 | abrotman | jim: right onto sata drives |
| 01:35.59 | dpkg | give dvs a wet slickery kiss |
| 01:36.03 | jim | and that worked too? |
| 01:36.07 | dvs | Ugh! |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | jim: perfectly fine |
| 01:36.39 | jim | what controller do you have/ |
| 01:36.40 | jim | ? |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | jim: maybe depends on the chipset .. it's a sil3112/4 |
| 01:36.46 | toresbe | !no, give $1 is <action>gives $1 |
| 01:36.59 | toresbe | hm, oh well |
| 01:37.00 | abrotman | hhe |
| 01:37.06 | asg | dvs: if it would make you feel better, you could kill my neighbors how, apparently, are play tympani at the moment. |
| 01:37.09 | toresbe | I suck at teh bot. |
| 01:37.13 | asg | s/how/who/ |
| 01:37.21 | dvs | asg: Ok >-) |
| 01:37.41 | jim | abrotman: is that one of the controllers that you can drive with the pata driver for the same mfgr? |
| 01:37.47 | benjamindees | Supaplex, there are -di kernels, which probably have the config you want |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | jim: no idea .. didn't try .. it just worked :) |
| 01:38.02 | TimeKilla | I have found forum posts from other users experiencing the install error i'm experiencing. Is there a documented issue with the Sarge i386 testing install? |
| 01:38.09 | abrotman | jim: it's a pretty common sata controller |
| 01:38.27 | Supaplex | benjamindees: thanks, I'll check. |
| 01:38.34 | jim | abrotman: well I don't have data on what the others were using... and not logs of the conversation |
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| 01:38.49 | benjamindees | TimeKilla, we won't know until you tell us what the error is... |
| 01:39.05 | jharriso1 | benjamindees: ok I got it |
| 01:39.05 | abrotman | jim: also been used on an adaptec 2410SA .. so .. |
| 01:39.21 | jharriso1 | benjamindees: it had to do with the inet_interfaces directive |
| 01:39.25 | jim | but I'd guess they had chipsets that have some sort of difference in the support between the two kernels |
| 01:39.27 | jharriso1 | benjamindees: thanks |
| 01:39.33 | dvs | benjamindees: I though you couldn't install sarge on a 386 anymore |
| 01:39.35 | TimeKilla | there error i'm getting while trying to install is this: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." |
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| 01:39.58 | abrotman | jim: it;s possible .. rather know which they were using |
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| 01:40.06 | benjamindees | TimeKilla, and dondelelcaro asked which .iso you're using? |
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| 01:40.29 | TimeKilla | I'm using the sarge i386 testing iso for NetInst |
| 01:40.34 | bruce2005 | is it possible to install the debian UML on red hat linux |
| 01:40.44 | TimeKilla | its aprox 114 megs or something |
| 01:40.48 | shingouz | bruce2005: not that i am aware of |
| 01:40.50 | jim | well, we got several requests that day and for a day or so after |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | TimeKilla: 106MB ? |
| 01:40.57 | asg | bruce2005: should be, it's just a kernel and a loopback mounted filesystem. |
| 01:41.10 | cockroach | some logs (postfix' mail.log and others) appear to be rotated magically (ie. every second day, without any logrotate entry) - where could that rotation be configured? |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | asg: debtakeover ? |
| 01:41.20 | shingouz | asg: you are confusing the poor kid :) |
| 01:42.13 | benjamindees | dvs, I wouldn't know why not... |
| 01:42.28 | asg | shingouz: nah, it should be entirely possible. Why he would want to do it is another matter. |
| 01:42.46 | jim | bruce2005: you can use debootstrap to create the initial chroot |
| 01:43.00 | TimeKilla | abrotman: the size is reported as 104mb |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | TimeKilla: you tried the 2.4 and 2.6 installs ? |
| 01:43.26 | shingouz | asg: it is entirely possible to confuse him but when it comes to installing a debian UML on deadrat.. no idea why doing so would be needed :) |
| 01:43.31 | asg | shingouz: aren't you the one in Siberia from the other day? |
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| 01:43.42 | shingouz | asg: western siberia, yes |
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| 01:43.54 | asg | shingouz: wish I was there, it's bloody hot here. |
| 01:43.59 | shingouz | asg: look on any map and you'll find finland |
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| 01:44.06 | muse`jicao | hi i m searching theme for my debian sarge (gnome) |
| 01:44.07 | shingouz | asg: where are you then? |
| 01:44.11 | asg | shingouz: hehe |
| 01:44.12 | muse`jicao | do you have a website ? |
| 01:44.28 | asg | shingouz: east coast us, but I'm a british expat and this is hot for me. |
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| 01:44.40 | jim | muse`jicao: do you have debian sarge installed now? |
| 01:44.47 | bruce2005 | alright i'm outta here |
| 01:44.51 | muse`jicao | yep :) |
| 01:44.51 | TimeKilla | abrotman: I'm new to this, but tech capable in a (sorry to say, microsoft environment). I'm running the install this time with the linux26 boot command. |
| 01:44.51 | shingouz | asg: north or south ? |
| 01:44.57 | asg | shingouz: south |
| 01:44.57 | bruce2005 | i'll be back with my stupid ass questions again |
| 01:45.04 | bruce2005 | thanks for ur help guys |
| 01:45.09 | abrotman | TimeKilla: and before ? |
| 01:45.17 | mwilson | Why "sorry to say"? |
| 01:45.18 | jim | muse`jicao: did you install from net? or from cdrom? |
| 01:45.19 | shingouz | asg: that begins to be about decent, i would not mind moving back to FL though |
| 01:45.26 | muse`jicao | NET :) |
| 01:45.27 | TimeKilla | abrotman: before i just pressed enter to begin the install |
| 01:45.35 | muse`jicao | better i thing very smart install |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:45.40 | jim | ok, type these first: |
| 01:45.40 | asg | shingouz: NC |
| 01:45.47 | jim | aptitude update |
| 01:45.47 | muse`jicao | and i installe package by package my sarge :) |
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| 01:45.50 | muse`jicao | thx a lot |
| 01:45.52 | TimeKilla | abrotman: do you know what the default would have been? |
| 01:45.54 | jim | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 01:46.08 | muse`jicao | i m on my windows partition now :/ |
| 01:46.09 | shingouz | asg: nc is a bit colder then.... i figured you meant sc |
| 01:46.12 | muse`jicao | emule downloading :/ |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | TimeKilla: i assume a 2.4 kernel |
| 01:46.16 | yarddog | TimeKilla: 2.4 is default, but you want 2.6 install |
| 01:46.21 | jim | so your existing system is up to date before adding gmine |
| 01:46.24 | muse`jicao | sorry jim |
| 01:46.25 | asg | shingouz: well, I'm on the border between nc and sc. |
| 01:46.39 | asg | shingouz: it's 90F today and humid. I'm living in an armpit |
| 01:46.46 | shingouz | asg: still a bit chilly for me |
| 01:46.57 | dvs | shingouz: Doh! |
| 01:47.04 | yarddog | asg: do you use deoderant? |
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| 01:47.08 | shingouz | dvs: doh yourself :p |
| 01:47.15 | asg | yarddog: of course |
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| 01:47.51 | lef | deodorant is not regarded as a good thing for the health. Armpits normally smell because of bad nutrition |
| 01:47.58 | Rydekull | I'd die if it were 90F :( |
| 01:48.14 | shingouz | toresbe: F, not C |
| 01:48.15 | yarddog | lef: depends on the culture |
| 01:48.19 | toresbe | shingouz: I know. |
| 01:48.20 | plasmatics | how can I delete a whole directory using a console? |
| 01:48.24 | Rydekull | toresbe: well, C.. who wouldnt? :P |
| 01:48.31 | toresbe | that's the point :P |
| 01:48.32 | abrotman | it's going to be 90F on tuesday here |
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| 01:48.36 | asg | plasmatics: rm -rf dir/ (be very careful) |
| 01:48.36 | lef | yarddog, this is not a matter of culture. It is a matter of health |
| 01:48.41 | abrotman | probably 95 a month from now |
| 01:48.47 | shingouz | Rydekull: finns, they have this nastiness called a sauna |
| 01:48.47 | plasmatics | asg: thanks |
| 01:48.50 | yarddog | lef: then most of america is unhealthy |
| 01:48.53 | toresbe | plasmatics: rm -rf directory/ be very careful with that weapon :P |
| 01:48.59 | TimeKilla | now i get an error "Cannot install debian" The installer cannot figure out how to install debian. no installable cd-rom was found and no valid mirror was configured. I got this earlier and managed to get past it somehow (have no idea, just repeated steps)... |
| 01:49.00 | toresbe | plasmatics: There is no recycle bin :P |
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| 01:49.05 | lef | yarddog, indeed |
| 01:49.14 | abrotman | lef: that's only partly true |
| 01:49.16 | lef | yarddog, most of the world |
| 01:49.17 | asg | lef: is that due to initial scent or just prolonged stale sweat that has curdled. |
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| 01:49.42 | yarddog | TimeKilla: sounds like a corrupt file |
| 01:49.46 | Rydekull | shingouz: Im a Swede and half my relatives are finnish.. yes I know :) |
| 01:49.48 | lef | abrotman, it is a matter of letting your pores breathe |
| 01:50.00 | Rydekull | shingouz: unlike my relatives I hate warm and love cold weather :) |
| 01:50.03 | abrotman | lef: now you're mixing arguments |
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| 01:50.21 | shingouz | Rydekull: i just hate winter here. hate. really with a passion |
| 01:50.25 | lef | abrotman, no, there are two main issues. One is stopping perspiration, the other is aluminium |
| 01:50.29 | abrotman | lef: your implying that people smell bad because of thier diets .. and then also that letting the sweat out will make it smell less |
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| 01:50.40 | abrotman | lef: either way .. it's totally OT here |
| 01:50.48 | Rydekull | shingouz: yeah I hate winter here too.. I wanna go back up north :( |
| 01:51.02 | lef | abrotman, I am not trying to convince anyone here. If you want take my pointer and read up :-) |
| 01:51.03 | shingouz | north? you nuts, Rydekull? |
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| 01:51.19 | dan2 | abrotman: what beers were brewing tonight |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | lef: i'm more than aware of what you're talking about .. it's still totally OT |
| 01:51.31 | Rydekull | shingouz: nah, im studying down in the capital now(stockholm) and I wanna go back to Luleå :) |
| 01:51.33 | abrotman | dan2: i didn't go tonight .. i was mt biking at blue marsh |
| 01:51.45 | TimeKilla | i'm wondering if my cd rom drive spun down and it didn't resume in time for the file to be accessed.... hnmmm |
| 01:51.50 | lef | abrotman, what is 'OT'? |
| 01:51.55 | abrotman | offtopic |
| 01:52.01 | lef | indeed |
| 01:52.02 | dan2 | abrotman: thats a sign of atheleticism, sysadmins != fit |
| 01:52.16 | shingouz | Rydekull: even stockholm is too cold for me and luleå... eugh. släng dej i väggen in other words ;) |
| 01:52.41 | abrotman | dan2: i'm a decently fit person .. i can't run very far .. but shin splints suck . as does exercise induced asthma |
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| 01:53.30 | dan2 | abrotman: build that cardio so your lungs get better... I have asthma, but I'm exercising 3 hrs a day for 5 days in a row a week |
| 01:53.32 | dvs | shin splints? That's awfule! |
| 01:53.42 | abrotman | dan2: well .. beer makes me smoke :) |
| 01:53.45 | Rydekull | shingouz: :D |
| 01:53.56 | dan2 | abrotman: its an art to drink beer and not smoke |
| 01:54.04 | lef | abrotman, you have asthma and you are a smoker? |
| 01:54.05 | Rydekull | shingouz: yer in stockholm aswell? or somewhere around? |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | lef: no .. i'm a drinker .. drinking makes me smoke :) |
| 01:54.19 | shingouz | Rydekull: naah.. not at the moment. åbo |
| 01:54.20 | dan2 | lef: you think most smokers aren't asthmatics? |
| 01:54.28 | Rydekull | shingouz: åbo? heh |
| 01:54.36 | lef | dan2, are they? |
| 01:54.44 | abrotman | lef: i don't smoke a lot ... and my asthma is mostly exercise induced |
| 01:54.51 | lef | abrotman, drinking doesn't make a non-smoker smoke |
| 01:54.55 | shingouz | i am not and i smoke. otoh i dont drink alky |
| 01:55.09 | Rydekull | shingouz: I was on a .. one day cruise some month ago :P |
| 01:55.10 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: the smoking doesnt help... I know I'm a smoker too.. |
| 01:55.17 | abrotman | lef: it does if you'd been smoking for 10+ years before you quit .. and drinking most of the time :) |
| 01:55.18 | dan2 | abrotman: exercise induced ... you sound like the biggest pussy |
| 01:55.25 | Rydekull | shingouz: I was one of the few being awake at that time to glance at Åbo from deck :P |
| 01:55.26 | abrotman | dan2: i'd kick your ass |
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| 01:55.43 | TimeKilla | there its installing the base system finally |
| 01:55.47 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Op? |
| 01:55.49 | shingouz | Rydekull: hehehe... sober enough to watch you mean :) |
| 01:55.49 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: i know it doesn't |
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| 01:55.52 | TimeKilla | hope i get to the point where the kernel is installed this time. |
| 01:55.52 | dan2 | abrotman: uh huh |
| 01:55.54 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: op what ? |
| 01:56.03 | dan2 | abrotman: I can lift your sorry ass up and throw it |
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| 01:56.04 | Omnistegan | Do you guys know anything about DFI motherboards? |
| 01:56.08 | Rydekull | shingouz: hah, Im never not sober ;) |
| 01:56.10 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: call a op to shut him up... |
| 01:56.10 | Omnistegan | Are they any good? |
| 01:56.13 | abrotman | dan2: you don't even know what i weigh |
| 01:56.22 | asg | TwistedEmotions: that's just dan, nothing to worry about there |
| 01:56.22 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: who ? |
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| 01:56.38 | lef | abrotman, and drinking only makes a smoker crave a smoke because drinking (as well as streesing out or getting upset) makes your body loose nicotine much quicker than normal. Then the nicotine in your bloodstream drops below the comfort level and you crave a smoke. As soon as you smoke the nicotine level drops. THat gives you the illusion that smoke and drinking go well together (or that you have managed your stress when you are stressed) |
| 01:56.39 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: dan2 |
| 01:56.46 | TwistedEmotions | asg: kk.. |
| 01:56.53 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: i'm not going to kick him .. he's like my neighbor :) |
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| 01:57.05 | TwistedEmotions | Ahh.. kk ;) |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | lef: i don't smoke normally |
| 01:57.12 | lef | 'As soon as you smoke the nicotine level drops' -> 'nicotine level goes up to normal' |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | lef: so that kind of ruins that theory |
| 01:57.33 | lef | abrotman, this is not a theory. This is proven scientifically |
| 01:57.38 | TwistedEmotions | lef: Though that is true... it also does feel great to smoke while drinking even if your not a smoke.. |
| 01:57.43 | abrotman | lef: nope .. it's not |
| 01:57.46 | asg | Supaplex: slow down there tiger |
| 01:57.48 | lef | abrotman, yes it is |
| 01:57.55 | abrotman | lef: i know people who don't smoke at all .. and smoke when they drink |
| 01:58.03 | abrotman | lef: good .. go find the AMA documents that prove your side |
| 01:58.04 | TimeKilla | so by running the linux26 for installation, it should install the kernel 26 instead of 24 this time? |
| 01:58.05 | lef | abrotman, than is not a scientific test |
| 01:58.05 | asg | abrotman: s/know/envy/ |
| 01:58.20 | TwistedEmotions | lef: sorry man... it's not true.. I know a lot of people who smoke when they drink too. |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | asg: that's not funny :) |
| 01:58.34 | shingouz | Supaplex: furball? :p |
| 01:58.35 | Supaplex | TwistedEmotions: know anyone who does neither? |
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| 01:58.42 | asg | Why am I all drippingz withz goo </Yanosh> |
| 01:58.45 | dvs | TimeKilla: yes |
| 01:58.46 | TwistedEmotions | Supaplex: yeah.. |
| 01:58.52 | asg | abrotman: no it isn't, the bastards |
| 01:58.53 | TwistedEmotions | Supaplex: like 2 people.. |
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| 01:59.00 | Supaplex | asg: here's a burp rag. ;) |
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| 01:59.08 | abrotman | asg: wait .. i do that :) |
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| 01:59.20 | TwistedEmotions | Supaplex: I dont really drink anymore... like once every six months a few beers.. ;) But I smoke. |
| 01:59.39 | asg | abrotman: then you're a complete bastard and we all hate you ;) |
| 01:59.57 | Supaplex | !gritsmite JoshH |
| 02:00.07 | JoshH | yow |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | asg: oh ok |
| 02:00.13 | Eclipser | odd, no updates for sarge tonight |
| 02:00.25 | TwistedEmotions | !smite TwistedEmotions |
| 02:00.32 | asg | Eclipser: the ftp-masters are hunting rabbits ... shhhh. |
| 02:00.41 | TwistedEmotions | How many different smites are there? |
| 02:00.47 | TwistedEmotions | !biblesmite TwistedEmotions |
| 02:00.48 | asg | TwistedEmotions: listkeys smite |
| 02:00.56 | TwistedEmotions | listkeys smite |
| 02:00.59 | asg | TwistedEmotions: /msg that to dpkg |
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| 02:01.04 | Supaplex | heh |
| 02:01.04 | TwistedEmotions | !listkeys smite |
| 02:01.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'smite' by key (13 of 121): CMD: bunnysmite (.*?) ;; CMD: cafuegosmite (.*?) ;; CMD: cmd: nvzsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: cshsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: dellsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: geezersmite (.*?) ;; CMD: ipw2200smite (.*?) ;; CMD: lilosmite (.*?) ;; CMD: mansmite (.*?) ;; CMD: nonfreesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: phatedsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: spelingsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: spocksmite (.*?). |
| 02:01.09 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: /msg |
| 02:01.10 | TwistedEmotions | hehehe.. ;) |
| 02:01.10 | shingouz | !vaguenessmite TwistedEmotions |
| 02:01.10 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: /msg |
| 02:01.10 | lef | abrotman, Stress has a physiological effect on the body which makes the urine acidic. Whenever the urine becomes acidic, the body excretes nicotine at an accelerated rate. Thus, when a smoker encounters a stressful situation he loses nicotine and goes into drug withdrawal. Most smokers feel that when they are nervous or upset cigarettes help calm them down. The calming effect, however, is not relief from the emotional strain of the situation, but actua |
| 02:01.10 | lef | lly the effect of replenishing the nicotine supply and ending the withdrawal. It is easy to understand why smokers without this basic knowledge of stress and its nicotine effect are afraid to give up smoking. |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: /msg |
| 02:01.12 | Supaplex | or that. ;/ |
| 02:01.21 | abrotman | lef: did you find the AMA study yet? |
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| 02:01.41 | ethics | love the pelingsmite spelling hehe |
| 02:01.41 | lef | abrotman, no, I am not looking for it |
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| 02:01.52 | asg | lef: urine acid? or uric acid? |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | lef: then drop it .. you haven't shown me why a non-smoker smokes when they drink .. so .. drop it |
| 02:01.58 | ethics | spelingsmite .. |
| 02:02.01 | JoshH | !mansmite TwistedEmotions |
| 02:02.22 | Supaplex | haha |
| 02:02.27 | JoshH | !dellsmite TwistedEmotions |
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| 02:02.32 | kalenedrael | haha |
| 02:02.37 | TwistedEmotions | wow.. thats bad.. |
| 02:02.38 | dvs | ahhahahaha |
| 02:02.38 | lef | abrotman, drop what? I am only trying to give some useful info here. I am not in a debate with you... |
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| 02:02.55 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 02:02.58 | TwistedEmotions | !nonfreesmite JoshH |
| 02:02.59 | abrotman | lef: you're not giving me anything useful .. i rely on facts from doctors for health info .. not a guy on irc |
| 02:02.59 | Supaplex | where's his factiod brain again? |
| 02:03.00 | NaturalRoots | it has as to place a rule in postfix so that some users obtain to only order email local? |
| 02:03.01 | kalenedrael | O.o this bot is too well armed |
| 02:03.02 | NaturalRoots | ??? |
| 02:03.19 | asg | Supaplex: /msg dpkg my factoids |
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| 02:03.28 | shingouz | kalenedrael: yes he is, do not mess with him |
| 02:03.29 | lef | abrotman, sure, I am only sharing some information that might serve as a useful pointer |
| 02:03.38 | TimeKilla | Should i have my fingers crossed it will find the kernel from the source cd ? lol |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | lef: but it didn't .. didn't even come close |
| 02:03.39 | kalenedrael | agh, i have a broadcom wireless card |
| 02:03.48 | kalenedrael | fuck them, they don't provide any linux support for them |
| 02:03.48 | lef | abrotman, ok. |
| 02:03.58 | kalenedrael | unfortunately they have the most market share too |
| 02:04.19 | shingouz | kalenedrael: off to eBay to get a nice orinoco for you then ;) |
| 02:04.31 | kalenedrael | i got a atheros in the mail already |
| 02:04.38 | kalenedrael | linksys wpc55ag |
| 02:04.44 | kalenedrael | (off ebay, no less) |
| 02:04.50 | shingouz | acceptable |
| 02:04.59 | TwistedEmotions | are atheros or orinoco cards better? |
| 02:05.03 | kalenedrael | i prefer atheros |
| 02:05.16 | shingouz | i prefer orinoco |
| 02:05.16 | kalenedrael | orinoco is only 892.11b |
| 02:05.17 | ethics | kalendrae1 sure they do./....gigabit is tg3 |
| 02:05.17 | lef | asg, regarding what you asked earlier, it is 'acidification of the urine' |
| 02:05.25 | TwistedEmotions | Which had the driver where you can use the card as a AP? |
| 02:05.31 | kalenedrael | ethics, what? |
| 02:05.35 | kalenedrael | oh |
| 02:05.37 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: hostap |
| 02:05.40 | ethics | kalenedrael, oh you mean wireless broadcom...ignore me then |
| 02:05.43 | kalenedrael | broadcom does not provide any wireless drivers |
| 02:06.07 | kalenedrael | yes, i was looking on their site for wireless drivers before i ran into the fact that they don't |
| 02:06.10 | lef | asg, Alcohol consumption results in the same physiological effect as stress - acidification of the urine. The nicotine level drops dramatically, and the smoker must light one cigarette after another or suffer drug withdrawal. |
| 02:06.40 | ethics | kalenedrael, yeah gigabit and 100 cards supported but wirless i havent found one yet |
| 02:06.56 | TimeKilla | Ok guys I got this message trying to install my Sarge netinst i386 Testing version ISO size 104mb using the LINUX26 boot option. "Base system installation error... The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value1) Check /var/log/messages or see virtual console 3 for details." Any ideas about this red screen error? |
| 02:06.57 | abrotman | which still doesn't explain why non-smokers smoke while drinking .. |
| 02:07.03 | abrotman | the exact same thing i said before |
| 02:07.21 | abrotman | TimeKilla: is this some kind of freak laptop ? |
| 02:07.29 | lef | abrotman, this is a diferrent thing. Non smokers smoke while drinking because they get the nicotine buzz |
| 02:07.41 | TimeKilla | its a pentium 233 with 64mb ram and 2.4 gb hdd |
| 02:07.43 | kalenedrael | this sucks, because broadcom also has the largest market share of any wireless chipset manufacturer |
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| 02:07.51 | shingouz | TimeKilla: brand and type please |
| 02:07.53 | ethics | timekilla whats on altf3? |
| 02:07.54 | dvs | TimeKilla: Of course you used lowercase for linux26? Right? |
| 02:08.04 | TimeKilla | yes lower case |
| 02:08.07 | kalenedrael | time to stop bitching |
| 02:08.07 | abrotman | lef: kind of ruins the rest of the theory :) |
| 02:08.26 | kalenedrael | what do you guys think of replacing the broadcom minipci card with an orinoco or atheros? |
| 02:08.38 | TimeKilla | Its a homebuilt desktop from a bunch of crap i've collected repairing windows systems. |
| 02:08.39 | shingouz | kalenedrael: why not |
| 02:08.46 | kalenedrael | yeah, that's what i thought |
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| 02:09.14 | kalenedrael | but i'm afraid that the bios has some stupid restriction that won't boot if a non-approved minipci wireless card is in the slot |
| 02:09.21 | lef | abrotman, why does it ruin the rest of the theory? |
| 02:09.21 | jasoncohen | anyone know how to disable the mouse cursor in xine? |
| 02:09.25 | kalenedrael | i know ibm thinkpads have that |
| 02:09.29 | shingouz | TimeKilla: if you did that check that you do not have something that is absolutely unsupported |
| 02:09.30 | abrotman | lef: because it does :) |
| 02:09.33 | kalenedrael | or some of them do, at least |
| 02:09.40 | lef | abrotman, ok. |
| 02:09.53 | TimeKilla | how do i see virtual console 3? (please keep in mind i'm devoted to learning this os, regardless of how difficult a curve it is) |
| 02:10.02 | shingouz | kalenedrael: i hear they thinkpads can be fooled to see otherwise too. saw it when i googled for something else about a couple of weeks ago |
| 02:10.13 | Bac9 | TimeKilla: Alt-F3 |
| 02:10.15 | asg | lef: ah, thanks for the clarification |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f3 |
| 02:10.17 | dvs | TimeKilla: Alt-F3 |
| 02:10.18 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 02:10.20 | Supaplex | TimeKilla: alt+fX X=tty |
| 02:10.35 | ethics | jasoncohen, it just goes away after a few seconds....i turn show controls off and run fullscreen...i dont think it does it outside fullscreen tho |
| 02:10.39 | shingouz | kalenedrael: what tp you have? |
| 02:10.42 | abrotman | shingouz: you goog a lot ? |
| 02:10.52 | shingouz | abrotman: of course not. do you? :p |
| 02:11.01 | abrotman | no way |
| 02:11.03 | shingouz | oh. i see |
| 02:11.07 | lef | abrotman, you have to understand that the smoker is in a constant battle to maintain a narrow range of nicotine in his blood stream (serum nicotine level). Every time the smoker's serum nicotine level falls below the minimum limit, he experiences drug withdrawal. |
| 02:11.08 | abrotman | i stay clear of that stuff |
| 02:11.15 | shingouz | google. note the L there now |
| 02:11.17 | shingouz | hehe |
| 02:11.20 | TimeKilla | it appears there are 3 unmounts that are invalid arguments /target/dev/pts .../shm and/target proc/bus/usb |
| 02:11.25 | TimeKilla | would these be critical errors? |
| 02:11.26 | abrotman | lef: i know what it is .. |
| 02:11.42 | TwistedEmotions | lef: that reminds me.. I need a smoke. |
| 02:11.49 | jasoncohen | ethics, yeah, i have a similar setup. i run with xine dvd://1 -fs -zoom -B for fullscreen, and no window but the mouse cursor stays for a few seconds. mplayer doesn't show a mouse cursor |
| 02:11.56 | shingouz | TimeKilla: do you have something on the usb right now? |
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| 02:12.03 | abrotman | lef: you still haven't told me anything i didn't already know .. or was useful :) |
| 02:12.03 | Supaplex | !narf |
| 02:12.04 | dpkg | narf are you pondering what I'm pondering? ZORT! |
| 02:12.11 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: sounds like a good idea. brb |
| 02:12.18 | lef | abrotman, he becomes tense, irritable, anxious and, in some cases, even shows physical symptoms. He does not enjoy feeling these withdrawals. The only thing that will alleviate these acute symptoms will be a cigarette. The nicotine loss is then replenished and, hence, the smoker feels better. He enjoyed smoking. |
| 02:12.24 | jasoncohen | i wanted to use xine for the menu support. this is on my mythtv box connected to a TV so i have no need or desire for a mouse or mouse cursor |
| 02:12.35 | shingouz | lef: do you smoke? |
| 02:12.38 | abrotman | lef: you can stop know .. i know everyting you're saying |
| 02:12.50 | TimeKilla | there are no usb devices attached to my system |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | stop now |
| 02:12.51 | lef | shingouz, no I don't |
| 02:12.55 | TwistedEmotions | lef: jesus man... just find www.dictionary.com? |
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| 02:13.10 | lef | ok I apologise. I got carried away |
| 02:13.14 | shingouz | lef: in that case, shut up, you do not know what you are tallking about |
| 02:13.28 | lef | shingouz, I am an ex-smoker |
| 02:13.30 | TimeKilla | how can i get back to the install console? |
| 02:13.34 | ethics | jasoncohen, i think its just the default...i couldnt find anything in totem for setting it.....i use totem frontend mostly....and gmplayer normally if in KDE...guis for multimedia apps just makes sense to me.....mencoder etc i can understand but players should be guis in my minds eye |
| 02:13.37 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: smoke break? ;) |
| 02:13.37 | asg | TimeKilla: ALT+F1 |
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| 02:13.45 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: agreed. |
| 02:13.50 | Xenguy | lef: I've smoked, and not smoked; I'm old-fashioned -- it's all willpower (I *want* to smoke; or fuck it I *don't* want to smoke anymore) |
| 02:13.53 | kalenedrael | lef, how does the person know that a cigarette will soothe him? |
| 02:13.57 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: light it up in 10 seconds.. well be smoke buddies |
| 02:14.01 | ethics | jasoncohen, there is a .xine and a .mplayer in my home tho which may have something... |
| 02:14.19 | Xenguy | lef: in short, mind over matter :-) |
| 02:14.23 | jasoncohen | ethics, well, you see i start the DVD by pressing "play DVD" in mythfrontend so i don't need a gui after that. it looks more integrated if it just comes up fullscreen with video |
| 02:14.38 | TimeKilla | is it safe to proceed with installation to unclean target? or does that guarantee a corrupted installation? |
| 02:14.40 | asg | Xenguy: mind is matter |
| 02:14.42 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: just kidding.. |
| 02:14.48 | lef | Xenguy, I agree. This is why people are able to give up smoking |
| 02:14.51 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: pack is out.. need to open new carton |
| 02:14.53 | jasoncohen | ethics, yeah, i configured the xine keymap file for mythtv so i've already been through that |
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| 02:14.56 | Xenguy | asg: that's what they'll have you believe |
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| 02:15.24 | asg | Xenguy: there is only so much influence mind can have over its own matter in a short period of time. |
| 02:15.25 | Xenguy | lef: agreed - all this 'patch' stuff etc. drives me crazy -- just go cold turkey and do it! |
| 02:15.29 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: hahaha I ditched you... now you got cancer and I dont |
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| 02:15.35 | TwistedEmotions | !cancersmite shingouz |
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| 02:15.44 | mozez | hey guys... do all isps (like cox) have dhcp to allocate ip addresses? |
| 02:15.50 | mosty | xenguy: what exactly do you get out of smoking, besides satisfying an addiction and relief of an overfull wallet? |
| 02:15.56 | ethics | jasoncohen, hmm i thought mythtv disabled the mouse anyways...does it comeback heheh.....or did that change in .18 |
| 02:16.06 | jasoncohen | is anyone having the fam RC bug issue that prevents a floppy, CD, or USB key from being unmounted. It seems to present itself in KDE where it shows konqueror as using the device. installing gamin fixes the issue. |
| 02:16.08 | Xenguy | asg: the limitations you believe are those that tend to exist =) |
| 02:16.20 | asg | Xenguy: agreed |
| 02:16.25 | jasoncohen | ethics, mythtv disables the mouse for the mythtv frontend. it can't control what xine does. |
| 02:16.31 | jasoncohen | since xine pops up in front of it |
| 02:16.40 | Supaplex | !start a bot war |
| 02:16.40 | dpkg | debhelper is way better than apt |
| 02:16.51 | ethics | mozez mostly yes....they run 5 lines into 1 modem pool using dhcp normally |
| 02:16.56 | TwistedEmotions | NOTHING IS BETTER THEN APT |
| 02:17.11 | TimeKilla | Should i assume that the ISO i have is fine but that I have a system configuration issue here? |
| 02:17.24 | asg | TwistedEmotions: apt went wiggy a year or so ago, dpkg is the shit for the time being. |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | TimeKilla: the installer has a way to check the CD |
| 02:17.42 | ethics | jasoncohen, can you tell ive spent less time in mythtv than you heheh....i tinker to get working then stop playing with it heheh...gimme a few ill see if i can find the switch if there is one |
| 02:17.42 | TimeKilla | I did that its fine |
| 02:17.46 | Xenguy | mosty: well I don't smoke anymore - but when I did, I found it enjoyable in an odd sort of way, and it was a "social" thing to do when partying etc. -- I *very* happy that I don't seem to need that anymore (it's amazing how attitude changes can really change your whole outlook) |
| 02:17.50 | TwistedEmotions | asg: What do you mean went wiggy? |
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| 02:18.12 | abarbaccia | hey all - i'm having trouble using the spca5xx drivers for an intel webcam - anybody can lend a hand |
| 02:18.12 | asg | TwistedEmotions: the bot, apt, went schizo. It just yells when rootly newbies arrive. |
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| 02:18.17 | TwistedEmotions | asg: is dkpg able to get packages for you.. I mean download them? |
| 02:18.25 | abarbaccia | i have gnomemeeting recognizing the camera, but cannot capture from the device |
| 02:18.26 | asg | error403: please turn that off |
| 02:18.33 | TwistedEmotions | asg: Ohhhhh... |
| 02:18.34 | error403 | sorry |
| 02:18.42 | error403 | only a one-time announce... |
| 02:18.44 | TwistedEmotions | asg: I was thinging of apt-get install... |
| 02:18.53 | asg | TwistedEmotions: no worries. |
| 02:19.10 | TwistedEmotions | asg: was about to tell you that is the only thing that allows me to use linux ;) |
| 02:19.10 | mosty | xenguy: i never understood why people smoked, that's all heh |
| 02:19.18 | kalenedrael | mmm, i love linux ntfs support |
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| 02:19.44 | asg | mosty: simply, they made a mistake as youngsters and were not able, after a period of time, to quite easily or at all. |
| 02:19.46 | TwistedEmotions | mosty: to confuse you ;) |
| 02:19.47 | TimeKilla | Ok.. guess its time for me to try expert26 and see how confused i can get here... i might have a lot of questions for you all. Thanks in advance |
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| 02:19.59 | shingouz | !bofhsmite TwistedEmotions |
| 02:20.20 | Xenguy | mosty: just don't start - cigarettes are more evilly engineered nowadays than ever before (there is data to support this) - and since you have to *work* at learning to smoke, the best way to avoid the habit is to never bother starting :-) |
| 02:20.22 | asg | s/quite/quit/ |
| 02:20.25 | AigleDor | when will debian 3.1 be released? |
| 02:20.34 | asg | AigleDor: in a few hours if things go as planned. |
| 02:20.34 | ama_ | june 6th |
| 02:20.37 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: hahahahha... the bar just screwed because all my CC's are going to bounce ;) |
| 02:20.40 | jasoncohen | ethics, i wrote a custom xine keymap for myth...i'm always tinkering with myth. In fact, i keep visor up to date with the new myth versions and i've even customized the font type, sizes, column widths and a few of the pages for my preferences. for example i changed the upcoming recordings and program listings screen to show whether an episode is a repeat |
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| 02:20.43 | ethics | kalenedrael, i hate it with a passion.. |
| 02:20.46 | mosty | xenguy, i'm not at risk of starting |
| 02:20.46 | dvs | ama_: Why.. that's today! |
| 02:20.53 | ama_ | not here dvs |
| 02:20.53 | AigleDor | today???! |
| 02:20.56 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: hah. so you bofhed the cards too. nice |
| 02:21.00 | ama_ | monday |
| 02:21.00 | asg | mosty: good for you |
| 02:21.10 | ama_ | thats the word on the mailing lists |
| 02:21.11 | Xenguy | mosty: excellent :-) |
| 02:21.13 | AigleDor | nice! |
| 02:21.17 | dvs | AigleDor: With 25 release critical bugs, I somehow doubt it. |
| 02:21.17 | ama_ | also fc4 is scheduled to be released that day |
| 02:21.18 | jasoncohen | asg, heh, you think it's going to be released with 20 RC bugs? |
| 02:21.25 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: been trying to get out of debt for like 3 months.. |
| 02:21.26 | ama_ | nope |
| 02:21.31 | ama_ | but supposedly thats the date |
| 02:21.32 | TimeKilla | can i turn off the usb storage module in installation if i do not intend to use USB devices? |
| 02:21.41 | ama_ | ive waited since january |
| 02:21.45 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: not fun, that i know |
| 02:21.48 | ama_ | i can wait perhaps a few more weeks |
| 02:21.51 | sanxiyn | Waited since... last year. |
| 02:22.10 | asg | jasoncohen: those can be taken care of with effort. |
| 02:22.16 | jasoncohen | ethics, myth is already set to hide the mouse cursor. xine also has an annoying habit of preventing mythfrontend from selecting text fields and buttons after being used. i have to re-load the interface by going into setup > appearances |
| 02:22.16 | kalenedrael | TimeKilla, why? |
| 02:22.30 | jasoncohen | asg, in a few hours? |
| 02:22.34 | mosty | jasoncohen, those 20 rc bugs are for etch |
| 02:22.40 | sanxiyn | mosty: Huh? |
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| 02:22.47 | abarbaccia | hey all - i'm having trouble using the spca5xx drivers for an intel webcam - anybody can lend a hand |
| 02:22.48 | sanxiyn | mosty: For etch, there are hundreds of bugs. |
| 02:23.01 | TimeKilla | kalenedrael: i'm having difficulty trying to install my testing version of debian netinst |
| 02:23.02 | mosty | "Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 26" doesn't refer to sarge anymore |
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| 02:23.08 | ethics | jasoncohen, mplayer wont do what you need? |
| 02:23.12 | shingouz | abarbaccia: those are a pain in the ass. what kernel and where did you get the modules from? |
| 02:23.15 | asg | jasoncohen: if Steve Mcintyre is already on the beer, I'd give it a good chance. |
| 02:23.28 | jasoncohen | ethics, well- it's nice to have menu support to do scene selection and special features |
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| 02:23.35 | kalenedrael | TimeKilla, testing version sounds like it will be a pain anyway... |
| 02:23.48 | chorizote | i am having trouble configuring the i810 driver on sarge....... |
| 02:23.50 | kalenedrael | do you know for sure that the usb module is messing things up? |
| 02:24.03 | mosty | chorizote, what is there to configure? |
| 02:24.06 | kalenedrael | ew, i810 |
| 02:24.11 | abarbaccia | im running a 2.6.10 kernel, and i got the module from sourceforge download official site for the spca5xx site |
| 02:24.13 | jasoncohen | mosty, http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&new=10&refresh=900 ..those are sarge bugs |
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| 02:24.24 | abarbaccia | im running a 2.6.10 kernel, and i got the module from sourceforge download official site for the spca5xx site shingouz |
| 02:24.31 | enasni | I have a question, I am having a bit of an issue with debian. On other linux distributions and in winblows 98se I am capable of 1280x1024 screen resolution, but on this linux distro I can only achieve 1024x768 |
| 02:24.39 | TimeKilla | I have no idea whats messing things up... when i attempted to install it the first time, i get an error about it being unable to locate kernel to install |
| 02:24.41 | jasoncohen | asg, Steve Mcintyre? Sorry, i'm pretty new to debian |
| 02:24.52 | ethics | jasoncohen, ahh yeah mplayer still doesnt do that.....really dont understand why he doesnt roll the code in specifically... |
| 02:25.02 | TimeKilla | What is a solid version I can download thats guaranteed to work on my system (or most likely to be failsafe?) |
| 02:25.02 | asg | jasoncohen: planet.debian.org |
| 02:25.08 | sanxiyn | jasoncohen: One who make Debian CD set. |
| 02:25.08 | jasoncohen | ethics, i'll probably stick with mplayer since it works well and i hardly ever watch special features |
| 02:25.27 | shingouz | abarbaccia: the only wah i know how to make them work is to have the kernel source on the box, do a custom kernel and use the make && make install after rebooting to the new kernel (which can be done the debian way) real pain in the ass |
| 02:25.29 | chorizote | according to what i read.. my videocard should be supported by the i810... but until now, i havent been able to make it work |
| 02:25.33 | xinming | anyone here can tell me if sarge will be released in 2 hours? :-) |
| 02:25.35 | xinming | I keep up whole night for it's realease. |
| 02:25.37 | xinming | release* |
| 02:25.42 | jasoncohen | ethics, do you think i should keep my myth box as testing or set it to sarge? |
| 02:25.44 | ethics | jasoncohen, ill see if i can fine |
| 02:25.58 | ama_ | probably not xinming |
| 02:26.03 | ama_ | wouldnt keep my hopes up |
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| 02:26.05 | shingouz | xinming: just install and update tomorrow, you do not have to wait for it to be released officially |
| 02:26.06 | abarbaccia | shingouz, i think i ahve the modules loading though, i have /dev/video0 created from the module, and gnome meeting says Intel Create and Share as an option |
| 02:26.11 | jasoncohen | i just want a reliable system that i can count on not to have to restart often but i want to be able to update myth to new versions |
| 02:26.12 | asg | xinming: the sarge fairy won't come until you go to sleep. |
| 02:26.17 | kalenedrael | TimeKilla, umm, pick one that's not a testing version |
| 02:26.21 | jasoncohen | ethics, what do you run myth on? |
| 02:26.22 | shingouz | abarbaccia: so what is the problem then? |
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| 02:26.29 | abarbaccia | shingouz, when i try to do a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg i get nothing recording |
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| 02:26.46 | SantaOne | hi |
| 02:27.01 | mosty | abarbaccia, don't you need to use a tuner app to do that? |
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| 02:27.12 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 02:27.18 | jasoncohen | xinming, do what asg says. You can simply run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade when it's released |
| 02:27.19 | SantaOne | does anyone of you program PHP and could help me with a premade script which is realy great but not supported by the #php channel? |
| 02:27.19 | ethics | jasoncohen, ill see if i can find anyuthing on xine mouse but mplayer is normal for myth if i remember everyones convos in list....id put it to etch(testing) because the atrpms are for fc3. and aettopbox use xorg...sarge probably will not get xorg.... |
| 02:27.23 | shingouz | abarbaccia: i dont think that is how it works. add yourself to group video and use either camorama or camstream to access the camera |
| 02:27.25 | abarbaccia | mosty, you tell me - its a webcam, and the device is created |
| 02:27.33 | xinming | asg: Oh. No... I am waiting for the official release. |
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| 02:27.41 | abarbaccia | shingouz, how do i add myself to the group video? |
| 02:27.41 | plasmatics | is there anyway that I could print on a printer that requires drivers, but the drivers are only available for windows? |
| 02:27.41 | mosty | abarbaccia, you need a tuner app to do that. |
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| 02:27.44 | enasni | I suppose I can help you even though I am not 'that' expierienced in php |
| 02:27.45 | shingouz | abarbaccia: lsmod should tell you if the modules are loaded in anycase |
| 02:27.51 | shingouz | abarbaccia: man adduser |
| 02:27.52 | jasoncohen | ethics, heh...probably? it's being released tonight so i would say that's definite |
| 02:27.56 | chealer | SantaOne: no, this is #debian, not #php |
| 02:27.59 | sanxiyn | Xvidcap. |
| 02:28.05 | mosty | abarbaccia, you could use mencoder, i think (if you want a command line util) |
| 02:28.16 | shingouz | xinming: go to sleep then :) |
| 02:28.19 | jasoncohen | ethics, but why does xorg matter? it's working fine with xfree currently |
| 02:28.20 | asg | xinming: well, grab some beer and chips and hang out. Me, I'm off to bed. |
| 02:28.25 | ethics | abarbaccia, video0 will not be Mpeg unless you have a mpeg tuner....webcam is ccd.. |
| 02:28.26 | stouset | Arrrrgh |
| 02:28.32 | stouset | People keep submitting bugs against Sarge! |
| 02:28.37 | stouset | Not that that's not a good thing, but... |
| 02:28.43 | shingouz | @comfort stouset |
| 02:28.43 | ravenbird | There, there, stouset. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:28.49 | dvs | !kill people submitting bugs against Sarge! |
| 02:28.51 | sanxiyn | jasoncohen: Xorg does matter because it's being actively developed. |
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| 02:29.00 | xinming | jasoncohen: Why I didn't burn the CDs, because I thought Sarge will release soon. But the problem is... The time I wait is over 5 months. :-S |
| 02:29.07 | abarbaccia | ethics, see, i was unaware - thanks! |
| 02:29.12 | jasoncohen | xinming, heh :) |
| 02:29.24 | abarbaccia | shingouz, alright, i'm in the video group, what program should i use to test it now? |
| 02:29.26 | mosty | xinming, well whats a few more hours then? ;) |
| 02:29.29 | shingouz | xinming: just go with the netinstall and be done with it, man :) |
| 02:29.36 | mosty | abarbaccia, tvtime or xawtv |
| 02:29.44 | jasoncohen | sanxiyn, true, but xfree86 still works and i want a system that i can rely on and wont' have to restart too often |
| 02:29.59 | shingouz | abarbaccia: camorama or camstream. you need to logout/login to be in the group too... |
| 02:29.59 | sanxiyn | shingouz: Well, but won't you be happy to burn "official" Sarge CD, instead of D-I rc3? :-) |
| 02:30.04 | ethics | jasoncohen, yeah but versions ahead will get further and further away from debian compliant.....the mythtv debs you installed are actually for SID i belive as they are built from knoppmyth/unbuntu |
| 02:30.10 | abarbaccia | shingouz, somehow i was in the group already |
| 02:30.23 | jasoncohen | testing seems to get a lot of kernel updates...and last time i had to recompile ati_remote because it replaced my custom module with the default one |
| 02:30.26 | enasni | sigh |
| 02:30.27 | shingouz | sanxiyn: i am not going to burn a sarge cd in the near future ;) |
| 02:30.42 | jasoncohen | ethics, i didn't install the debs. I always compile from source |
| 02:30.43 | shingouz | abarbaccia: in that case camorama or camstream |
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| 02:30.48 | sanxiyn | jasoncohen: Heh. |
| 02:30.52 | anamaria | hi.. |
| 02:30.55 | jasoncohen | ethics, when it comes to myth that is |
| 02:30.58 | ethics | jasoncohen, i wouldnt be rushing tho...there is an easy path from sarge to etch so i wouldnt expect you to have to much issue if you leave it till issues |
| 02:31.00 | dvs | shingouz: No even to show to your friends? ;-) |
| 02:31.00 | shingouz | !hi anamaria |
| 02:31.01 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai anamaria! |
| 02:31.16 | shingouz | dvs: i dont have a webcam... ;) |
| 02:31.19 | jasoncohen | ethics, what will you be using? |
| 02:31.24 | ethics | jasoncohen, ah then i guess it wouldnt matter uless they do some weird QT/GCC changes |
| 02:31.31 | dvs | shingouz: Doh! I mean the Sarge DVD |
| 02:31.48 | Supaplex | !earwax dvs |
| 02:31.54 | shingouz | dvs: uh.. i am not sure if i am going to burn that either |
| 02:31.56 | abarbaccia | shingouz, i'm just gettin the same black screen as i was in gnome-meeting |
| 02:31.58 | sanxiyn | Come GCC 4.0! :-) |
| 02:31.58 | ethics | jasoncohen, i think ill leave my main box as sarge and have my play box on etch until i find something i need etch for on my main |
| 02:32.13 | jasoncohen | ethics, i find it easier to recompile. Once all the build-deps are installed it's only a matter of make, make install and i know how everything works with the source version |
| 02:32.19 | jasoncohen | the binary versions are often different |
| 02:32.27 | sanxiyn | jasoncohen: Makes sense. |
| 02:32.31 | shingouz | abarbaccia: you sure you have the resolutions etc the way they should be? the cam is not too sensitive either for that matter |
| 02:32.47 | plasmatics | is there anyway that I could print on a printer that requires drivers, but the drivers are only available for windows? (i have a xerox workcentre xd120f) |
| 02:32.53 | jasoncohen | also with stable i won't have to worry about security updates |
| 02:33.01 | sanxiyn | plasmatics: Yes, share the printer from Windows. |
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| 02:33.13 | sanxiyn | plasmatics: Get CUPS and Samba, and read doc. It's easy. |
| 02:33.13 | jasoncohen | i just hope etch releases in a reasonable amount of time |
| 02:33.22 | TimeKilla | ok, i'm gonna just start over on this project. What i'm attempting to do is make a web surfing linux based box to learn linux on. Its a p233 with 64mb of ram, I'm not really concerned about performance, just something to learn with for now. Get the command line stuff figured out. I've got the system setup beside me now. Is debian basically what I should be working with (i'm a technician but only used linux once about 8 years ago |
| 02:33.22 | shingouz | abarbaccia: if you start the cam software from a terminal you can see if it spits out some errors |
| 02:33.24 | ama_ | what if debian sarge had a bug in it that crashed it first boot |
| 02:33.29 | plasmatics | sanxiyn: thanks |
| 02:33.33 | ama_ | there would go debians non sense release cycles |
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| 02:33.43 | abarbaccia | im running it from a term - heres what i get: (camorama:8273): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_entry_set_text: assertion `text != NULL' failed |
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| 02:33.58 | plasmatics | sanxiyn: oh, btw, the printer is over a network... |
| 02:33.58 | jasoncohen | ama_, ? |
| 02:33.59 | Bac9 | plasmatics: magicfilter, ppd and friends |
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| 02:34.10 | ama_ | TimeKilla: debian is fine |
| 02:34.16 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 02:34.17 | shingouz | abarbaccia: try camstream too |
| 02:34.22 | ama_ | TimeKilla: but this is #debian |
| 02:34.26 | sanxiyn | plasmatics: Doesn't matter. |
| 02:34.40 | ama_ | TimeKilla: a new version may be released soon, within the week, or even tommorow |
| 02:34.41 | Bac9 | plasmatics: if it's over the network then just make the destination ip tthe output |
| 02:34.50 | ama_ | if you didnt already know this, i would wait until 3.1 debian is out |
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| 02:35.01 | Bac9 | plasmatics: but on the off chance that your printer supports postscript then you're lucky and all set |
| 02:35.08 | plasmatics | thanks a lot sanxiyn and Bac9 |
| 02:35.16 | jasoncohen | TimeKilla, debian isn't hard. I came from Mandrake which is a newb linux distro and i've figured things out pretty much. I really like the package management system and the selection. |
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| 02:35.30 | ama_ | i like mandrake |
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| 02:35.34 | TimeKilla | Now i'm gonna go look at the other released versions of NetInst for debian and come back... I basically want to get started on this yesterday, I tried to install beatrix and it was buggering up bad. |
| 02:35.39 | chealer | jasoncohen: ;) |
| 02:35.39 | ama_ | first distribution |
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| 02:36.05 | TimeKilla | be back shortly |
| 02:36.11 | ama_ | TimeKilla: if you want a positive and current experience of linux technology and do not want to run testing |
| 02:36.16 | ama_ | use ubuntu, which is debian based |
| 02:36.17 | chealer | beatrix...is that a real name? |
| 02:36.27 | dvs | !ubuntusmite ama_ |
| 02:36.27 | chealer | pff |
| 02:36.32 | jasoncohen | ama_, yeah, mandrake is nice as a desktop box but isn't reliable enough for what i needed |
| 02:36.43 | chealer | !ubuntusmite again ama_ |
| 02:37.01 | ama_ | :( |
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| 02:37.12 | jpeg | that smite didn't make sense to me. |
| 02:37.25 | ama_ | carbon dioxide |
| 02:37.28 | ama_ | carbon monoxide |
| 02:37.29 | dvs | jpeg: CO is "based on" CO2 |
| 02:37.33 | ama_ | ones poisonous |
| 02:37.35 | TimeKilla | I want something thats basically a standard linux product.. like the basics and not something heavily modified from the source.. (or so i think not knowing too much about it yet) |
| 02:37.38 | ama_ | ones poisonous too |
| 02:37.50 | dvs | ama_: They both are. |
| 02:37.53 | ama_ | but one is normal co2, which is the majority of the atomosphere |
| 02:37.57 | Silicon | but CO is based on atoms |
| 02:38.01 | ama_ | yeah thats what i said dvs |
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| 02:38.08 | jpeg | it's just nonsensical. |
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| 02:38.15 | Bac9 | ama_: are you saying CO is abnormal CO2? |
| 02:38.20 | ama_ | no |
| 02:38.24 | mosty | ama: nitrogen is the major component of air, not carbon dioxide |
| 02:38.25 | Thanatermesis | I have deleted the /dev in accident, I have restored with MAKEDEV... alsa files not exists.. how to create ? |
| 02:38.37 | ama_ | yeah nitrogen, my bad |
| 02:38.41 | ama_ | anyway they are both poisonous |
| 02:38.42 | OasisABC | hello guys, please, which Kernel version is built in Sarge ? |
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| 02:38.52 | TimeKilla | Is this what i'm looking for? "Unofficial net install images for the "stable" release" |
| 02:38.53 | ama_ | in large enough doses |
| 02:38.54 | chealer | TimeKilla: heh, slackware is close to source, if you're not looking for something usable |
| 02:38.56 | dvs | OasisABC: /msg find kernel-image |
| 02:39.02 | jasoncohen | TimeKilla, i don't agree with ama_ I use debian testing on two systems and i've tried ubuntu on both and I found debian testing to be more reliable (especially with sound issues). I don't think KDE 3.4 is particularly ready for prime time. |
| 02:39.26 | chealer | TimeKilla: nope, get sarge's netinst |
| 02:39.27 | shingouz | Thanatermesis: you deleted the whole /dev? |
| 02:39.31 | chealer | !tell TimeKilla about d-i |
| 02:39.32 | ama_ | i think kde 3.4 is fine |
| 02:39.33 | Thanatermesis | yes shingouz |
| 02:39.44 | atholas | I agree with jasoncohen 100% |
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| 02:39.48 | jasoncohen | TimeKilla, Ubuntu has newer versions of gnome (2.10.1), KDE (3.4) and it has xorg 6.8.2. Other than that it's pretty much the same as Debian testing and is behind in a few packages |
| 02:39.52 | ama_ | kde has tons of bugs though |
| 02:39.52 | shingouz | Thanatermesis: basically you are screwed |
| 02:39.52 | chealer | ama_: because it's based on 3.3? |
| 02:40.01 | ama_ | erm nope |
| 02:40.09 | Thanatermesis | shingouz, no, I have restored with MAKEDEV generic |
| 02:40.13 | ethics | jasoncohen, hey whats the insert key do in xine? it says toggle grab while in video window.....vague but maybee? |
| 02:40.25 | Thanatermesis | I need to re-create the alsa devices, how to create? |
| 02:40.27 | shingouz | Thanatermesis: does it work? |
| 02:40.30 | ama_ | because it is an official release by kde, and i trust them enough to make a valid desicion on its stability |
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| 02:40.40 | TimeKilla | ok guys here is my problem When I run the install from this ISO of testing i386 Sarge netinst it gets to a point where it says its unable to install or locate the source of the kernel.. i've seen this on forums but no resolution |
| 02:40.42 | jasoncohen | TimeKilla, Ubuntu does have a few nice tools like their gui update-manager and they say their hardware support is better but I actually had to manually enter the vertical/horizontal refresh values for my monitor where i didn't in debian. |
| 02:40.44 | Thanatermesis | yes shingouz, It creates a generic files of /dev |
| 02:40.54 | jasoncohen | ethics, hmm, one sec- i'll try |
| 02:41.03 | shingouz | Thanatermesis: no idea, i am a bit more careful with rm -rf than to delete the whole /dev, sorry |
| 02:41.18 | OasisABC | dvs -> sorry, I cannot understand you, I put this command on line command ? |
| 02:41.29 | ethics | unbuntu does have better acpi etc but not for too much longer...etch kernels will fix that i hope |
| 02:41.30 | Bac9 | jasoncohen: there are pleanty of apt gui frontends, pick the one you like |
| 02:41.32 | dvs | OasisABC: In the chat window line |
| 02:41.36 | jasoncohen | ethics, doesn't do anything that i can see. I saw that in xine's man page..can't figure it out |
| 02:41.40 | Thanatermesis | please help ! |
| 02:41.42 | Thanatermesis | I have deleted the /dev in accident, I have restored with MAKEDEV... alsa files not exists.. how to create ? |
| 02:41.52 | kalenedrael | oops :P |
| 02:41.56 | OasisABC | dvs -> OK, thsnks |
| 02:41.59 | kalenedrael | i've done that before |
| 02:42.03 | jasoncohen | Bac9, i'm well aware of that. I think synaptic is great. debian just doesn't have a standalone gui update tool |
| 02:42.04 | kalenedrael | i reinstalled :P |
| 02:42.06 | dvs | OasisABC: no prob |
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| 02:42.18 | TimeKilla | ok guys here is my problem When I run the install from this ISO of testing i386 Sarge netinst it gets to a point where it says its unable to install or locate the source of the kernel.. i've seen this on forums but no resolution |
| 02:42.22 | kalenedrael | i wonder how you managed to delete /dev |
| 02:42.29 | Thanatermesis | perfect ! |
| 02:42.31 | Supaplex | !fsck /dev |
| 02:42.32 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev//dev : warning! filesystem contains dickheads! |
| 02:42.32 | cartel_ | ethics: ubuntu kernel-source sucks |
| 02:42.35 | Bac9 | jasoncohen: have you tried gnome-apt or what ever its kde counterpart is? |
| 02:42.36 | ethics | jasoncohen, i thought the term grab may have refered to some screen capture or something also...vague documentation on it |
| 02:42.37 | jasoncohen | Bac9, update-manager was compiled with python 2.4 and it has packages which are only in experimental and unstable and a few which even experimental doesn't have. it would be a real bitch to compile on debain |
| 02:42.39 | cartel_ | ethics: you cant reverse it |
| 02:42.46 | Thanatermesis | Im used a /dev of a knoppix !!! :D works good ! |
| 02:43.00 | Silicon | heh |
| 02:43.03 | Thanatermesis | :D |
| 02:43.03 | ama_ | will debian sarge's kernel use udev? |
| 02:43.06 | cartel_ | ethics: no valid kernel-patch, kernel-patch unpatches to another level of obfuscation |
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| 02:43.10 | ethics | cartel_, i just want the new cpu support for my laptop and cant be shagged patching hehe..not that it moves around much atm |
| 02:43.17 | OasisABC | dvs -> don´t work |
| 02:43.29 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone watching 2Fast2Furious? |
| 02:43.35 | jasoncohen | Bac9, i haven't tried gnome-apt and i heard ksynaptics is crap |
| 02:43.40 | ethics | TwistedEmotions, i can be...why |
| 02:43.42 | cartel_ | 2shitmovie2watch you mean |
| 02:43.45 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 02:43.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 02:43.58 | jasoncohen | i just want a gui update tool...prefferably something that'll tell me when there are updates like apt-watch |
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| 02:44.01 | Bac9 | jasoncohen: there's another k<something> but not symnaptic |
| 02:44.04 | chealer | jasoncohen: ksynaptics? |
| 02:44.06 | TwistedEmotions | ethics: wanted to know if anyone was as bored as me... |
| 02:44.07 | jetscreamer | get apt-spy |
| 02:44.14 | dvs | OasisABC: /msg dpkg find kernel-image |
| 02:44.15 | jetscreamer | err belay that order |
| 02:44.19 | Bac9 | jasoncohen: I prefer aptitude myself |
| 02:44.20 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: not *that* bored! |
| 02:44.22 | jetscreamer | get cron-apt |
| 02:44.35 | chealer | TimeKilla: do you have the exact error message? |
| 02:44.38 | black13 | how do i move from debian stable to debian testing? |
| 02:44.41 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: damn 2fast2furious |
| 02:44.45 | TimeKilla | chealer: one second... |
| 02:44.47 | ethics | TwistedEmotions, i just watch it for the cars hehe...id play underground2 but it looks to much like im playing games at work |
| 02:44.50 | chealer | !tell black13 about woody->sarge |
| 02:44.54 | jasoncohen | chealer, ah, that's wrong...that's the KDE tool to configure a synaptic touchpad |
| 02:45.02 | cafuego | black13: Don't bother. |
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| 02:45.09 | chealer | jasoncohen: yeah... |
| 02:45.11 | Thanatermesis | brb |
| 02:45.13 | TimeKilla | "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." |
| 02:45.17 | shingouz | ethics: even the cars are too ricey for me :p |
| 02:45.18 | cafuego | black13: By tomorrow, stable will BE testing. |
| 02:45.29 | TwistedEmotions | ethics: hahaha.. you see all the racing speeds? They are diving like 65 making it look hella fast.. |
| 02:45.43 | dvs | cafuego: Even with 25 critical bugs left? |
| 02:45.54 | cafuego | dvs: Why not? |
| 02:45.56 | Nigel_ | hmmmm just to think, my computer will be running etch in a few hours... |
| 02:46.00 | OasisABC | dvs -> thanks, the latest version is 2.4.27 |
| 02:46.04 | ethics | shingouz, gotta love how they make a $40K spider mr2 keep up with an evo....like thatll happen on tarmac |
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| 02:46.12 | dvs | cafuego: I guess they could just scrap those packages. |
| 02:46.14 | TwistedEmotions | ethics: If you watch one of the racing scenes you'll see me flying by them at 120 ;) |
| 02:46.23 | dvs | OasisABC: no problem |
| 02:46.32 | cartel_ | ethics: you're forgetting aftermarket mods :) |
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| 02:46.38 | ethics | TwistedEmotions, your standing on a corner looking for a trick? |
| 02:46.41 | TimeKilla | chealer: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." is the error i get when doing the default installation |
| 02:46.52 | chealer | TimeKilla: yeah, I'm trying to google it |
| 02:46.56 | cartel_ | ethics: mr2s are pretty nice vehicles :) |
| 02:47.07 | cartel_ | TwistedEmotions: i dont have it on dvd |
| 02:47.08 | shingouz | TimeKilla: use some other apt source then? maybe that is the problem? |
| 02:47.09 | TimeKilla | I already did... there was no posted resolution that i was able to track down. |
| 02:47.12 | TwistedEmotions | ethics: I *AM* the trick.. |
| 02:47.14 | mortalman | I would ike to make a complete mirror of the debian site(or at least it's installation). What would be the easiest way to do this and to keep it updated? |
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| 02:47.22 | TwistedEmotions | cartel_: it's on TV.. |
| 02:47.27 | TimeKilla | I'm not familiar shingouz, this is my first time with linux (basically) |
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| 02:47.32 | cartel_ | TwistedEmotions: not in .nz |
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| 02:47.44 | SDFH_Linux | does anyone know how to sync i got a kernel panic |
| 02:47.48 | TwistedEmotions | cartel_: Oh. |
| 02:47.49 | SDFH_Linux | on bootup |
| 02:47.54 | shingouz | TimeKilla: doesnt the installer ask where you want to get the stuff from? |
| 02:48.08 | ethics | cartel_, oh yeah mr2s are tweet they just have no balls in 1-2 gear in comparison to the turbo/awds.....id be intrested to see the 2 setups in realife agains each other.... |
| 02:48.20 | TimeKilla | nope it hasn't given me the option... is there a parameter i should use for install? |
| 02:48.24 | jasoncohen | there's a guy on #ubuntu that knows what to do to build update-manager on debian but he hasn't been on. I would like to try. I'm not sure why no one else has any interest in it. |
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| 02:48.28 | black13 | chealer,thanks |
| 02:48.47 | black13 | chealer, is it possible for debian to build itself from source |
| 02:48.58 | shingouz | TimeKilla: i am not even sure what point the installer fails. do you get into the ncurses or are you still in pure cli? |
| 02:49.10 | mwilson | "update-manager"? |
| 02:49.24 | jasoncohen | mwilson, ubuntu's gui update tool |
| 02:49.34 | chealer | black13: if you mean whether it's self-hosting, then yes |
| 02:49.50 | jasoncohen | mwilson, it also works with apt-watch and provides a nice way to keep up with updates |
| 02:49.52 | mwilson | You *want* that crap? |
| 02:50.19 | jasoncohen | mwilson, why is it crap? |
| 02:50.22 | black13 | chealer, i guess that means ... |
| 02:50.37 | jetscreamer | cron-apt, all the update manager you'll ever need |
| 02:50.39 | TimeKilla | basically i get to the point where its installing the modules.. get to over 60% and then gives me the kernel error |
| 02:50.46 | mwilson | Rather than turning Debian *into* Ubuntu, if you want Ubuntu, just run Ubuntu. |
| 02:50.50 | TimeKilla | i'm going through the install again |
| 02:50.52 | black13 | chealer, is there a why you an i could speak at length |
| 02:51.09 | jasoncohen | jetscreamer, you mean apticron? |
| 02:51.14 | jetscreamer | hey will ubuntoe install on jfs with a default installer |
| 02:51.17 | ethics | timekilla: md5 check you iso....yours is corrupt i think... |
| 02:51.21 | jetscreamer | no i mean cron-apt |
| 02:51.28 | jetscreamer | !info cron-apt |
| 02:51.28 | TimeKilla | mine is fine, i did a self chek on it. |
| 02:51.30 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.0 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 02:51.43 | chealer | black13: what? |
| 02:51.54 | ethics | timekilla: what was the kernel error? |
| 02:52.01 | TimeKilla | "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." |
| 02:52.04 | black13 | chealer, i curious about what self-hosting really means |
| 02:52.21 | resiak | jetscreamer: Ubuntu's that way. ----> |
| 02:52.23 | black13 | chealer, is this like how LFS works> |
| 02:52.28 | black13 | Y |
| 02:52.34 | TimeKilla | how can i define other apt sources... is it possible my cdrom drive is slow loading or in use somehow...? |
| 02:53.04 | ethics | is there an apt-setup in D-I? |
| 02:53.15 | TimeKilla | Way above my head.. |
| 02:53.16 | ethics | timekilla you do have networking configured? |
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| 02:53.28 | jetscreamer | just edit the sources.list is the easiest way |
| 02:53.29 | chealer | black13: hum, LFS is rather vague, but I guess yes |
| 02:53.32 | TimeKilla | I'm going to do the install again.. but it resolved my isp's name. |
| 02:53.45 | chealer | black13: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hosting |
| 02:53.51 | ethics | jetscreamer, on the cd? or does it load into a Ramdisk or soemthing |
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| 02:53.59 | EL_Chupanibre | j #rosegarden |
| 02:54.05 | shingouz | i have installed debian exactly one time with the new installer. i think it was a pain but i am a dinosaur |
| 02:54.06 | jetscreamer | ethics: ramdisk |
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| 02:55.01 | jetscreamer | ethics: but you can chose expert26 (and maybe just expert for 2.4, i dunno) and it lets you choose the mirrors... see also debconf priority |
| 02:55.07 | black13 | chealer, to be honest i thought debian was only packages ... like rpm |
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| 02:55.44 | chealer | TimeKilla: do you have something like "The current default kernel package is..."? |
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| 02:57.03 | TimeKilla | chealer, i've just run the installer again with linux26 as the command to start it |
| 02:57.16 | TimeKilla | I'm at the "configure the network" screen |
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| 02:57.21 | TimeKilla | Just putting in a hostname |
| 02:57.40 | TimeKilla | it automatically found my domain name |
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| 02:58.07 | TimeKilla | now its starting up the partitioner |
| 02:58.15 | TimeKilla | i'm erasing entire disk |
| 02:58.16 | black13 | is there a way to capture the output of the bootscripts to a file |
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| 02:58.29 | chealer | !tell black13 about bootlog |
| 02:58.34 | chealer | !tell black13 about bootlogd |
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| 02:58.53 | chealer | dpkg: bootlog is <reply> see bootlogd |
| 02:58.53 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 03:00.28 | chealer | TimeKilla: so, it seems to be working? it's still strange that it failed with 2.4 |
| 03:00.47 | TimeKilla | well so far so good, its installing the debian base system right now |
| 03:01.02 | TimeKilla | but its at about 60 percent or higher that it give me the kernel error |
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| 03:01.28 | chealer | ok. try to note the complete error message, that can't hurt |
| 03:01.34 | TimeKilla | i will indeed |
| 03:02.14 | TimeKilla | Do you know if its trying to get the kernel from the net or from the CD? |
| 03:02.24 | chealer | it should be on the CD |
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| 03:02.44 | chealer | you should be able to install a base system with a netinst |
| 03:03.03 | TimeKilla | thats what i Thought... this is my first night in linux.. i'm a dos guru so there should be no problem once i get a better idea of the basics.. (thats after i get it installed) |
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| 03:03.16 | chealer | hah |
| 03:03.25 | simonrvn | you'll love shell then |
| 03:03.32 | TwistedEmotions | Spiderman is on... |
| 03:03.34 | simonrvn | shell > dos |
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| 03:03.40 | TwistedEmotions | another gay movie.. |
| 03:03.44 | TwistedEmotions | !gay |
| 03:03.44 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 03:03.46 | TwistedEmotions | whoops. |
| 03:03.48 | jetscreamer | boy lotsa clubies in #ubuntu |
| 03:04.00 | TimeKilla | lol |
| 03:04.04 | jetscreamer | no wonder it seemed weird in here |
| 03:04.10 | TimeKilla | I take it dpkg is the bot? |
| 03:04.15 | jetscreamer | gaygaygay |
| 03:04.18 | simonrvn | one of them |
| 03:04.19 | chealer | dpkg: what are you |
| 03:04.19 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:04.20 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 03:04.27 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 03:04.29 | TimeKilla | nice |
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| 03:04.43 | chealer | jetscreamer is our slow bot translator |
| 03:04.50 | simonrvn | dpkg: gender |
| 03:04.50 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 03:04.55 | TimeKilla | lol |
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| 03:05.10 | jetscreamer | [22.04.21] <jetscreamer> [22.04.44] <chealer> |
| 03:05.15 | simonrvn | dpkg: literal gender |
| 03:05.15 | dpkg | gender is <reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure) |
| 03:05.22 | TimeKilla | ok chealer i'm at 50% now, hope your around to provide some insight into this shortly |
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| 03:05.36 | Silicon | pregnant is a gender? |
| 03:05.44 | chealer | TimeKilla: asking followup questions absolutely doesn't mean I can help you |
| 03:05.46 | jasoncohen | ok, i configured cron-apt to check for updates and to mail a list of available upgrades to my email address. Now, i suppose i add cron-apt as a cron job? |
| 03:05.55 | simonrvn | it's not supposed to be serious |
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| 03:06.19 | simonrvn | jasoncohen: if you installed cron-apt, it's already done |
| 03:06.42 | TimeKilla | chealer: worth a try.. i got to start somewhere and debian.org suggested i visit with you techies for helping hand. |
| 03:07.08 | chealer | jetscreamer: hum, do you mean I'm that laggy? I thought I triggered the what are you |
| 03:07.10 | jetscreamer | you'll still have to manually install the updates, but they will already be downloaded |
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| 03:07.49 | simonrvn | dim jun 5 23:07:50 EDT 2005 |
| 03:07.49 | yarddog | thats scarry |
| 03:07.53 | jetscreamer | actually dpkg said you did, that somebody had already said that 0 seconds ago... but yeah on my screen mine came first |
| 03:07.57 | simonrvn | 'scary' |
| 03:08.02 | yarddog | yeah that |
| 03:08.09 | jetscreamer | [22.04.21] <jetscreamer> !what are you |
| 03:08.09 | jetscreamer | [22.04.21] <chealer> dpkg: what are you |
| 03:08.10 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 03:08.21 | yarddog | auto updating like its a windows box |
| 03:08.28 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 03:08.37 | simonrvn | debian does it better ;) |
| 03:08.42 | yarddog | i wouldnt do it |
| 03:08.46 | GoKu | Wine exited with a successful status |
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| 03:08.54 | yarddog | like last nights updates for example |
| 03:08.58 | GoKu | Wine exited with a successful status ? |
| 03:09.02 | GoKu | error from wine |
| 03:09.05 | simonrvn | GoKu: means exit 0. why worry? |
| 03:09.20 | chealer | jetscreamer: hehe, see how you're slow? :) it could be good if IRC could confirm the timestamps. |
| 03:09.32 | mrnull | ha. just started gnome and my usb mouse is dead in the water. How can I get to reconfig? |
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| 03:09.44 | jetscreamer | modprobe usbmouse i bet |
| 03:09.48 | jetscreamer | noit sure |
| 03:09.54 | simonrvn | 23:04 chealer : dpkg: what are you\n 23:04 dpkg : I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>\n23:04 jetscreamer : !what are you |
| 03:09.56 | jetscreamer | maybe modprobe mousedev also |
| 03:10.09 | simonrvn | no seconds, but on my screen chealer came first |
| 03:10.20 | ethics | chealer won on my irc |
| 03:10.30 | ethics | !win chealer |
| 03:10.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, chealer! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 03:10.35 | jetscreamer | obviously some plot by the government to make me appear as if i was lagged |
| 03:10.40 | simonrvn | (pun *not* intended) |
| 03:10.44 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 03:11.01 | chealer | hehe, it's not a contest :) I'm just saying it would be an improvement, but I can guess it's tough wide networks |
| 03:11.04 | simonrvn | hey, he got the spam, be happy ;p |
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| 03:11.19 | jetscreamer | i ate chinese, not hungry :) |
| 03:11.30 | jetscreamer | yet |
| 03:11.52 | jasoncohen | simonrvn, you sure? i installed cron-apt and i don't see any new cron jobs |
| 03:12.36 | TimeKilla | Just after it says "updating list of available packages" I get this error message: [!!] Install the base system No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources. The current default kernel package is 'kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386'. You may try to continue though this rather strange error is probably fatal. Any suggestions? |
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| 03:12.36 | yarddog | TimeKilla: have you replaced that iso? |
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| 03:13.00 | TimeKilla | The ISO is the same one i started the comp up with . |
| 03:13.02 | chealer | TimeKilla: this is just a try, but are you sure about that image? could it be incomplete? |
| 03:13.08 | SDFH_Linux | does anyone know how to sync i got a kernel panic |
| 03:13.12 | jasoncohen | cool...my bug report worked. gaim-otr 2.0.2 will be going into debian unstable |
| 03:13.21 | yarddog | TimeKilla: didnt ppl tell you that iso might be corrupt? |
| 03:13.33 | yarddog | i know i did |
| 03:13.38 | TimeKilla | I ran the cd verifier within the installer |
| 03:13.43 | TimeKilla | It said everything was fine. |
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| 03:13.47 | Bac9 | SDFH_Linux: Alt-SysRq+S on 2.6.x (with correct options) |
| 03:14.01 | Bac9 | SDFH_Linux: and assuming it wasn't anything major |
| 03:14.22 | jasoncohen | TimeKilla, /msg me your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 03:14.49 | SDFH_Linux | do it on text mode? |
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| 03:15.43 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 03:16.14 | ethics | Mardus, hail estonian adventurer |
| 03:16.26 | Mardus | LOL |
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| 03:17.27 | Mardus | I adventured to a petrol station this morning and bought some bread, after one that didn't have bread at all. |
| 03:17.27 | mrnull | I also wanted to ask you guys. My boss has a laptop running linspire (Debian-based) and we can't seem to get it to recognize the PCMCIA SONY Ericson cell-modem. That'd be ttyS? right? |
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| 03:18.09 | Mardus | * after I had been to one that didn't have bread. The bread that I bought was dark. |
| 03:18.31 | black13 | chealer, what is the debian package for bootlog |
| 03:18.36 | black13 | is it "bootlog" |
| 03:18.38 | Mardus | shingouz: You online? |
| 03:18.44 | Bac9 | mrnull: winmodem? linmodems.org |
| 03:18.44 | ethics | mrnull depends but you should be able to plug it in and get info from lspci / dmsg /a logfile |
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| 03:18.58 | xinming | anyone here can tell me if we use jigdo to download the iso. Will the MD5 of the iso's I made match the official ones please? |
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| 03:19.24 | Mardus | black13: You can do this in console: apt-cache search bootlog |
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| 03:19.31 | mrnull | ethics: it can see the pcmcia modem. But I get errors every time it quarries |
| 03:19.36 | ethics | Bac9, id say a call modem would be hardware but itll suck to setup hehe |
| 03:19.59 | chealer | black13: I don't think there's a package. are you missing something? |
| 03:20.10 | aficionado | Hi, I am trying to setup pure-ftpd ftp server behind a firewall. I have correctly routed the 30000-35000 ports to the server and told pure-ftpd to use that range. The problem is that the client some how gets the _internal_ ip of the machine (192.168...) instead of the WAN. How can I fix that? |
| 03:20.13 | black13 | chealer, yeah i must be |
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| 03:20.24 | chealer | black13: what exactly? |
| 03:20.36 | deadcat | TwistedLappy: damn i got hosed. )= |
| 03:20.50 | black13 | chealer, bootlog |
| 03:20.53 | ethics | mrnull: logs are the way to identify it's port.....in debian id be looking at dmesg....linspire may differ as its based on but not the same |
| 03:20.53 | xinming | anyone would tell me plz? |
| 03:21.01 | deadcat | !plz |
| 03:21.02 | dpkg | from memory, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 03:21.04 | chealer | black13: but which file? |
| 03:21.05 | torgrimt_ | aficionado: just disable passive mode for internal clients |
| 03:21.17 | black13 | /etc/default/bootlog |
| 03:21.24 | Bac9 | ethics: donno, but as soon as I saw laptop I thought winmodem |
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| 03:21.49 | xinming | plz -> please. |
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| 03:22.10 | chealer | black13: it's bootlogd. bootlog seems to be due to my cerebral HDD failure |
| 03:22.19 | aficionado | torgrimt_: I think I found it... ForcePassiveIP (-P) is what I was looking for |
| 03:22.20 | ethics | Bac9: common truth ...8) |
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| 03:22.43 | black13 | apt-get install bootlogd |
| 03:22.50 | aficionado | torgrimt_: and its the clients connecting from outside that have the trouble not the ones inside (if I understand your suggestion correctly) |
| 03:23.02 | black13 | gives me nada "E: Couldnt find package bootlogd" |
| 03:23.26 | chealer | black13: there's no package for bootlogd |
| 03:23.29 | Bac9 | ethics: :-( |
| 03:23.33 | aficionado | yup, that was it :) |
| 03:23.35 | chealer | black13: which file are you missing? |
| 03:23.44 | ethics | xinming: jigdo makes a version for you specifically i belive so there wont be a md5 i dont think.....are you looking for the sarge netinstall by chance? |
| 03:23.45 | black13 | anyone want a cat ... |
| 03:23.47 | rking | black13: have you done an "apt-get update" recently? |
| 03:23.51 | aficionado | torgrimt_: thanks anyways |
| 03:24.01 | TwistedEmotions | black13: you mean a real cat? |
| 03:24.10 | torgrimt_ | aficionado: do you have one lan and one wan side? if you are using that ForcePassiveIP option you will nned to set that as your external wan ip. |
| 03:24.25 | black13 | yes i mean a real PIA cat ... daughters cat ... he howls when she doesn come home on time |
| 03:24.27 | torgrimt_ | aficionado: most ftp clients jump to active mode if passive fails |
| 03:24.37 | Mardus | black13: I love cat's, but for the time being, I can't afford to maintain one. |
| 03:24.42 | black13 | if ti was up to mee i wold feed into the garbage disposal |
| 03:24.42 | TwistedEmotions | black13: is it edible? |
| 03:24.53 | black13 | but she loves the thing |
| 03:25.01 | aficionado | torgrimt_: I am using getright which apparently doesn't have that feature |
| 03:25.01 | Mardus | black13: * cats |
| 03:25.13 | shingouz | Mardus: yo |
| 03:25.18 | Mardus | shingouz: jou |
| 03:25.32 | shingouz | whats up, been nice? |
| 03:25.38 | aficionado | torgrimt_: plus I think my router didn't support that either (obviously I do not have much knowledge of ftp :)) |
| 03:25.39 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz makes a mean cat stew |
| 03:25.41 | torgrimt_ | aficionado: i would guess getright have a disable passive mode option |
| 03:25.42 | Mardus | shingouz: Mhmh |
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| 03:26.00 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: i havent kicked a cat in a couple of hours so dont complain |
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| 03:26.18 | torgrimt_ | aficionado: maby i misunderstood you. you are trying to use getright to get something from lan or internet? |
| 03:26.19 | black13 | my daughter moves out to college and luckly fluffy goes with her |
| 03:26.27 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: I wasnt complaining... am hungry.. |
| 03:26.35 | Mardus | I just ate. |
| 03:26.38 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: you from Melmac? |
| 03:26.43 | Mardus | shingouz: It's not nice to kick cats. |
| 03:26.48 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: mp.. |
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| 03:26.52 | TwistedEmotions | *no. |
| 03:27.06 | black13 | how the heck do i setup bootlog |
| 03:27.19 | rking | black13: have you done an "apt-get update" recently? |
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| 03:27.27 | black13 | yes just did |
| 03:27.28 | rking | black13: that might be what the "File missing" is about. |
| 03:27.32 | rking | black13: ahh |
| 03:27.59 | rking | black13: apt-cache search bootlog shows nothing when i run it. |
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| 03:28.13 | shingouz | Mardus: to tell the truth i do not kick them in 3d (even i sometimes do think about it when the neighbors cats have peed on my car) |
| 03:28.26 | rking | black13: what is it? is "dmesg" good enough? |
| 03:28.46 | chealer | black13: it's bootlogd, and you edit the file that dpkg referred to |
| 03:28.52 | chealer | dpkg: forget about bootlog |
| 03:28.52 | Mardus | shingouz: Maybe they just pee on your car's wheels and then some just mark them with some kind of excretion. |
| 03:28.52 | dpkg | chealer: i didn't have anything called 'about bootlog' to forget |
| 03:28.55 | mrnull | lsusb showed the mouse and everything.. updated, upgraded, and restarted. now it works perfectly. maybe the kernel upgrade? |
| 03:28.56 | jetscreamer | !mono |
| 03:28.56 | dpkg | it has been said that mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
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| 03:29.13 | chealer | well, thanks to whoever did it |
| 03:29.13 | shingouz | Mardus: they could go pee elsewhere |
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| 03:29.22 | black13 | so you need to create a file /etc/defaults/bootlog(x) |
| 03:29.26 | richih_ | ok, problem as follows: |
| 03:29.54 | chealer | !bootlogd |
| 03:29.54 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028 |
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| 03:30.07 | chealer | black13: try rereading the factoid's first word |
| 03:30.09 | rking | mrnull: i'm having usbmouse problems right now. mine was working immediately after i installed usbmgr, and i shut the computer down to move it (~8 hrs later, 1 hr ago) and now it's not working. at least X is starting up instead of complaining about /dev/input/mice |
| 03:30.36 | richih_ | i have a dead vim with my unsaved paper in it. i do have the instance of vim running and i do have the binary .swp file. i already tried to just cp both the tex and the swp to a new directory but vim will not offer me to just overwrite the old file when i do that |
| 03:30.40 | richih_ | suggestions? |
| 03:30.43 | Mardus | shingouz: Maybe they like your car so much. Before the block house that I live in there are several cars and if one is warm, some cat likes to jump on it and convalesce ontop of its engine compartment (whatever it's called). |
| 03:31.01 | rx | hmm, sarge to be released tomorrow? isnt this scary? gnome 2.10, kde 3.4 and x.org 6.8.2 have been out since forever, i dont care myself since i dont use gnome/kde, but dont you think alot of people could bitch? :| |
| 03:31.06 | black13 | thank gawd he finally shut up ... |
| 03:31.11 | black13 | the cat |
| 03:31.27 | chealer | rx: don't worry, it's already done |
| 03:31.35 | rx | heh |
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| 03:31.40 | rx | thats what i thought anyway |
| 03:31.51 | rking | richih_: make a backup of the whole dir, just in case (cp -a foo bak-foo), then kill the vim with that pid |
| 03:32.04 | richih_ | rking: that was the first thing i did |
| 03:32.05 | shingouz | Mardus: engine compartment is correct. the neighbors cats should be shot though, they crap all over my yard, pee on the cars and scream half the night about ten feet from my window |
| 03:32.15 | rking | richih_: you killed the other vim already? |
| 03:32.15 | richih_ | after cussing like a madman, of course ;) |
| 03:32.19 | richih_ | no |
| 03:32.21 | rx | but at the same time i do guess that the gnome version bundled in debian is prob much more stable/polished than gnome out of the box? |
| 03:32.28 | HeLfReZ | i assume when they release all of that stuff will prolly drop into unstable |
| 03:32.30 | rx | gnome out of the box is evil :| |
| 03:32.40 | rking | richih_: no stress - vim = your friend. now, just open up another vim on it. vim foo/paper.txt |
| 03:32.46 | ethics | rking, is the usb mouse in the same usb port by chance? |
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| 03:33.10 | richih_ | rking: oh, that might yield |
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| 03:33.11 | jbmigel | shinogouz just get one of them remote car starters and hit the button a couple times at night, your car will either eat the cat or scare it into neighbours car |
| 03:33.13 | rking | richih_: it'll prompt you if you want to recover, open existing, etc. you want to "R"ecover |
| 03:33.22 | HeLfReZ | i know the experimental packages for 3.4 in alioth seems a little wonky |
| 03:33.32 | HeLfReZ | seemed even |
| 03:33.40 | ethics | HeLfReZ, umm its prolly in unstable just not in testing.. |
| 03:33.40 | jasoncohen | what's the site that gives detailed information on a package's history, updates, maintainer etc. - not packages.debian.org |
| 03:33.50 | rking | ethics: at the moment, yes... although i've tried almost every port on the box. /var/log/syslog chatters every time i [un]plug it. |
| 03:33.54 | shingouz | jbmigel: sounds like a good idea but i would not like to get a new turbo for the car after the cat has done some FOD to it |
| 03:34.09 | mwilson | How is that not packages.debian.org? |
| 03:34.21 | richih_ | rking: phew! |
| 03:34.22 | black13 | i fixed it i apt-get install initscripts |
| 03:34.32 | nvz | packages.debian.org/package/ |
| 03:34.41 | rking | richih_: vim = your friend. |
| 03:34.48 | codc | may a stupid question - will sarge beleased at 6.6. this year? anyone knows anything? |
| 03:34.49 | richih_ | rking: i did not think of the most obvious thing (after creating two instances of all files ;), of course |
| 03:34.49 | Supaplex | vim roxorz |
| 03:34.53 | Mardus | What do you mean by FOD -- Fried of Dorothy, perhaps? :) |
| 03:35.02 | Supaplex | !topicsmite codc |
| 03:35.05 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon codc. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:35.34 | shingouz | Mardus: Foreign Object Damage |
| 03:35.34 | rking | richih_: now close out that vim, and rm the foo/.paper.txt.swp |
| 03:35.34 | Mardus | codc: it's past 6th of June |
| 03:35.34 | HeLfReZ | ethics, yeah i assume all that stuff would drop into unstable at least |
| 03:35.34 | shingouz | Mardus: aviation terminology |
| 03:35.34 | chealer | jasoncohen: packages.qa.debian.org ? |
| 03:35.34 | ethics | rking: dmesg says it's using what device? |
| 03:35.48 | Mardus | shingouz: LOL |
| 03:35.50 | black13 | i would have to say you all are very friendly ... more than expected ... |
| 03:36.12 | shingouz | Mardus: basically a cat sucked into the intake damages a turbo pretty badly ;) |
| 03:36.24 | Supaplex | haha |
| 03:36.27 | ethics | HeLfReZ, itll be going into etch as soon as it can id expect.. |
| 03:36.29 | Mardus | black13: When I said that once (last year or this year), then the reason told was the low @$$hole count. |
| 03:36.35 | chealer | black13: you did*n't* have initscripts installed? |
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| 03:36.59 | black13 | chealer, i like to live on the edge ... of disaster |
| 03:36.59 | shingouz | (us? freindly? we need to work on our attitudes i guess) |
| 03:36.59 | nvz | black13: advice is free expectations cost extra |
| 03:37.08 | lordmyren | yo, i want to put 3.0r6 on a new computer, |
| 03:37.12 | lordmyren | what am i supposed to download |
| 03:37.24 | ethics | black13, its release time ...i think we all expected a busy week in chats.....plus its monday.....monday is ok as it means no mor sunday.....sundays suck.. |
| 03:37.25 | rking | ethics: hrmm... i'm not exactly sure which piece of info you're looking for... there's lots of chatter about uhci_hcd, ehci_hcd, then towards the end it says, "new low speed USB device using address 2", then weirdly, "USB disconnect, address 2", followed by "new low-speed... address 3" |
| 03:37.26 | lordmyren | not like #debian would know, we dont install this crap. |
| 03:37.26 | Mardus | lordmyren: The first installation CD ISO. |
| 03:37.28 | shingouz | lordmyren: the sarge netinstall |
| 03:37.40 | chealer | black13: I never even tried to remove a required package |
| 03:37.47 | jasoncohen | chealer, yup, thanks |
| 03:37.56 | SDFH_Linux | what is the best filesystem to use on a fresh install of debian ext2, ext3, or reiserfs? |
| 03:37.57 | rking | richih_: are you running screen by any chance? |
| 03:37.59 | black13 | ethics, still sunday for me |
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| 03:38.08 | ethics | !sunday |
| 03:38.08 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:38.10 | richih_ | rking: not for this vim |
| 03:38.11 | nvz | SDFH_Linux: /msg dpkg best |
| 03:38.13 | richih_ | rking: why? |
| 03:38.24 | lordmyren | SDFH_Linux: i'm a fan of resierfs by mere personal preference |
| 03:38.26 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: ext3 or reiserfs. I assume people here have probably more experience with ext3. |
| 03:38.27 | rx | SDFH_Linux: u bastard :PPP |
| 03:38.40 | black13 | hey the freaks come out at night the freaks come out at night ... |
| 03:38.51 | HeLfReZ | hut hut hut hut |
| 03:38.52 | shingouz | !sing sunday |
| 03:38.52 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 03:38.56 | Supaplex | how can I force bugreport to use a specific email settings? |
| 03:39.22 | rx | i still use ext2, its fast and lite enought for home user |
| 03:39.23 | Mardus | black13: As I did last night. |
| 03:39.37 | ethics | rking: well if your unplugging and replugging then its confusing the system....dev/input/mice is address 2 or 3 at what time...im not too sure but im pretty sure X will cry at moving mouse devs....im not certain tho... it doesnt work on a clean reboot you say but does start x without a working mouse? |
| 03:39.38 | shingouz | rx: try ext3 |
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| 03:39.55 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: ext2 doesn't have journalling, ext3 has. So does reiserfs. |
| 03:39.58 | nvz | I much prefer ext3 for desktops, it recovers more quickly |
| 03:40.01 | dob1 | someone know some software (commercial too) that can i use to scan http traffic for virus/spyware etc on a gateway? |
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| 03:40.14 | SDFH_Linux | is ext3 faster than reiserfs? |
| 03:40.20 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, reiser is fine as long as you backup...... |
| 03:40.31 | SDFH_Linux | i dont ever backup |
| 03:40.35 | rking | richih_: what happened that you lost the session but it's still running? |
| 03:40.39 | Supaplex | dob1: squidguard, I think. squid is highly intensive though. |
| 03:40.42 | shingouz | ext3 on a laptop is real nice if you happen to have something odd going on with the power and the thing goes down hard |
| 03:40.45 | black13 | ok theoritcally i have bootlog setup |
| 03:40.52 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: Then perhaps you should choose ext3. It lest you recover if there's an intermittent power outage or something like that. |
| 03:40.52 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, reiser is meant ot be better for huge files (dvd storage etc) but theres no fsck...ie they think they are abouve write issues |
| 03:41.03 | black13 | but nothing in /var/log/boot |
| 03:41.06 | black13 | no file |
| 03:41.08 | Supaplex | shingouz: it also sucks if you want to put the hdd into idle. :) |
| 03:41.15 | SDFH_Linux | if you delete file by mistake is it easy to recover it using ext3? |
| 03:41.17 | richih_ | rking: i do not use screen right now if you mean that. but if you need help, just screen -ls, then screen -dr $number |
| 03:41.18 | shingouz | Supaplex: that is true |
| 03:41.19 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: * lets |
| 03:41.32 | rx | isnt ext2 way faster than ext3 cuz of the journaling overhead |
| 03:41.38 | nvz | SDFH_Linux: its virtually impossible |
| 03:41.42 | Supaplex | SDFH_Linux: recovery options are grim. |
| 03:41.43 | shingouz | rx: not way faster |
| 03:41.45 | mwilson | rx: No. |
| 03:42.08 | rking | ethics: hrm... i don't think i moved it while it was booting... that's what's weird. but yep, X is typing this to you now. If I kill X, and cat /dev/input/mice, i don't get "No such dev" but I don't get data. |
| 03:42.08 | chealer | black13: did you restart? |
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| 03:42.16 | HeLfReZ | so is the general concensus here that ext3 is faster that reiserfs(noatime) |
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| 03:42.19 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: You can't recover, so you have to do backups. And think harder before deleting anything. |
| 03:42.20 | black13 | chealer, several |
| 03:42.21 | mwilson | Meet Supaplex, the Debian Magic 8-ball. :) |
| 03:42.31 | SDFH_Linux | so none of them you can recover deleted files from? |
| 03:42.31 | chealer | black13: were there errors at boot? |
| 03:42.33 | deadcat | damn i almost got a brand new mac mini for $150 )= |
| 03:42.41 | HeLfReZ | u can always fidn benchmarks goin both ways |
| 03:42.42 | Supaplex | mwilson: thanks. hehe |
| 03:42.44 | Silicon | heh |
| 03:42.45 | black13 | chealer, no |
| 03:42.46 | dob1 | Supaplex: squidguard with a plugin can works to scan virus, but i read that it is not very good for this |
| 03:42.46 | SDFH_Linux | so ext3 is what i should use then if i do not back up |
| 03:42.47 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: Do backups. |
| 03:42.47 | Silicon | that's a deal |
| 03:42.47 | mwilson | HeLfReZ: Don't use Reiser. Problem solved. |
| 03:42.49 | richih_ | rking: sorry, i need my bed. two hours of sleep ahaed and a full day of work. thanks for thinking logical for me, again. you saved my day (and ass ;) |
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| 03:43.00 | HeLfReZ | mwilson, heheh |
| 03:43.06 | SDFH_Linux | well cd backups i do once in a while of my home dir |
| 03:43.06 | nvz | SDFH_Linux: ext2 can be recovered in most cases to some degree. |
| 03:43.07 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: You shouldn't use anything at all if you don't back up. |
| 03:43.07 | prodope | what's a good console-based mp3 player? |
| 03:43.08 | black13 | chealer, more i just want it to grab all the output |
| 03:43.09 | Silicon | deadcat: where? eheh |
| 03:43.09 | deadcat | Silicon: some asshole got to it first and paid $450 )= |
| 03:43.11 | rking | richih_: i'm glad it worked out for you. =) |
| 03:43.14 | Silicon | aww |
| 03:43.16 | richih_ | rking: :) |
| 03:43.16 | mwilson | prodope: mpg123 |
| 03:43.18 | richih_ | cu |
| 03:43.23 | Silicon | auction? |
| 03:43.24 | SDFH_Linux | so ext3 is better than most then |
| 03:43.27 | rx | unlike FAT and NTFS theres no way to "undelete" using ext2/ext3...the design doesnt allow it :| |
| 03:43.30 | ethics | rking: pick a port do a full reboot and try cat /dev/input/mice it may give garbage but it should give something if its that dev |
| 03:43.35 | Supaplex | !start an fs war |
| 03:43.35 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 03:43.37 | deadcat | Silicon: no craigslist |
| 03:43.39 | SDFH_Linux | hm |
| 03:43.39 | Silicon | oh |
| 03:43.55 | Silicon | crazy |
| 03:43.59 | chealer | black13: sorry, I think I don't understand |
| 03:44.15 | black13 | sorry i am being vague |
| 03:44.19 | deadcat | Silicon: he asks $500 on the post. but i decided to say $150 and he said ok. at first i thought he was joking (= |
| 03:44.30 | ethics | rx: not by conventional paths correct althouh things like r-tools can guess it and so can gpart but convetionally you are correct |
| 03:44.33 | Silicon | hehe ya $500 is the going rate |
| 03:44.37 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: Do backups, don't delete files accidentally. You can also archive files of which you know that you might not need them in the near future. |
| 03:44.38 | black13 | what i want to do is understand how to bootup process works |
| 03:44.52 | nvz | rx: thats not true |
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| 03:44.59 | SDFH_Linux | should i use the current netinstall rc3? |
| 03:45.00 | nvz | dpkg info recover |
| 03:45.10 | rx | yeah |
| 03:45.12 | deadcat | Silicon: there goes my macmini+debian server dream )= |
| 03:45.13 | dpkg | recover: (Undelete files on ext2 partitions), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.3c-9.1 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 03:45.14 | rx | thats what i did :P |
| 03:45.20 | Silicon | deadcat: ;[ |
| 03:45.26 | black13 | chealer, i working on live cd that is partially sorce based but i use the bootscripts from debian |
| 03:45.30 | rx | couldnt wait for sarge final |
| 03:45.32 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: If you have newer hardware, then it's suggested. sarge is almost ready. |
| 03:45.33 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, yes |
| 03:45.40 | Silicon | was thinking the same thing |
| 03:45.47 | SDFH_Linux | should i make a separate partition for home? |
| 03:46.15 | deadcat | yes |
| 03:46.17 | rx | nvz: didnt know about that :) |
| 03:46.24 | SDFH_Linux | i had a bad experience i deleted my whole home directory by mistake and i dont want that to happen again |
| 03:46.33 | SDFH_Linux | and i cant recover some of the stuff i needed |
| 03:46.34 | Supaplex | ouch |
| 03:46.37 | SDFH_Linux | yep |
| 03:46.40 | SDFH_Linux | ouch is right |
| 03:46.48 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: Yes, separate partition for home. If the system goez berzerk, /home stays intact. I don't have this, but it's good practice in my theory. |
| 03:46.48 | black13 | chealer, i have put set -x at the begining of the bootscripts but i would like to redirect that output to a file |
| 03:46.50 | chealer | black13: hum, I don't think I can help you |
| 03:46.59 | Supaplex | and I complain about the 3 or 4 files I lost last year. :-x |
| 03:47.00 | rx | on my box i have 2 disk... one for the whole / and another for /home and swap |
| 03:47.06 | rx | i think its nice since its well balanced |
| 03:47.14 | black13 | chealer, actually you have quit a bit actually |
| 03:47.41 | SDFH_Linux | what is the command to find something |
| 03:47.41 | rking | ethics: so X wants it on address 2 or 3? I'll find out which one is 2, plug it into that one, and reboot without touching a thing. |
| 03:47.44 | SDFH_Linux | a file? |
| 03:47.48 | SDFH_Linux | locate something isnt it |
| 03:47.52 | black13 | ! waits for birdmand to come on adultswim |
| 03:47.54 | shingouz | locate or find |
| 03:47.56 | Supaplex | SDFH_Linux: locate or find. |
| 03:47.58 | Mardus | shingouz: I've sometimes heard cats do that squealing under the window of my room, at night, of course. Only that my left ear is deaf, so I can sleep very peacefully. |
| 03:48.21 | shingouz | Mardus: heh. one good thing about the deaf ear |
| 03:48.50 | ethics | rking: address is assigne well before x cares....you just want it to identify and make sure /input/mice works...if it works there then its detecting fine and x should progress correct...if not we know where abouts its not working in the process |
| 03:48.57 | rking | SDFH_Linux: locate uses a cached list, so it's fast (but can be out of date). find . -name 'foo*.txt' will find all the files, starting in the current dir, that match foo*.txt - this doesn't cache so it's slow but honest |
| 03:49.02 | ethics | rking: umm 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:49.02 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: find / -name <write filename here, with wildcards, if you like> The slash tells to search the whole hard drive and other partitions. If you want to search from /home, then find /home -name <your desired filename> |
| 03:49.09 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:49.31 | rking | ethics: yep - 2.6.8-2 |
| 03:49.47 | jasoncohen | anyone know where i can find the md5sum for the netinstall CD on debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 03:49.58 | ethics | rking installed as a 2.6 or you upgraded to it? and is this what cause it? |
| 03:50.02 | jasoncohen | I think TimeKilla might have had a corrupted dl |
| 03:50.05 | rking | ethics: thank you for your help, btw - i'm trying to set up this computer for work tomorrow and it would be really stressful to try to use a windows machine or something |
| 03:50.15 | Mardus | I thought a netinstall didn't have an md5sum... |
| 03:50.48 | ethics | rking, hehe i keep a few live CDs for those horrible days....at least i have a somewhat stable xp box ive tweaked up so its not unbearab;e |
| 03:50.50 | SDFH_Linux | i need to find two files on a damaged system i am using knoppix cd to try to find them before i reinstall |
| 03:50.57 | rking | ethics: i just grabbed current sarge last night, booted it with linux26 as a param (needed it for my SATA disk), and didn't have to choose a kernel since, but uname -a tells me it's 2.6.8. |
| 03:51.29 | ethics | Mardus, any file has a md5sum.....jigdo creates custom disks but the isos are set size each cut.. |
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| 03:51.47 | Mardus | ethics: What is jigdo? |
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| 03:52.14 | mosty | mardus, what is google? |
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| 03:52.19 | stouset | Mardus: software for creating custom Debian CDs |
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| 03:52.41 | ethics | rking: uname -r please....i think apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 may be helpful here too since its the latest... |
| 03:52.42 | Mardus | stouset: Ok, thanks. |
| 03:52.49 | stouset | Mardus: Rather than get CDs of the entire distribution, you compile CDs automagically based upon the packages you'll need. |
| 03:52.49 | ethics | rking, 686/k7/386/etc |
| 03:52.54 | black13 | chealer, there is no way to log the out to the console before login |
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| 03:53.06 | Mardus | mosty: You didn't answer the question, so you get no thanks. |
| 03:53.13 | Mardus | stouset: That sounds cool. |
| 03:53.15 | ethics | Mardus floppy creator for debian installer (older) |
| 03:53.16 | jasoncohen | Mardus, jigdo is a tool to allow you to construct cd or dvd iso images form inidivdual files making the download much faster |
| 03:53.17 | mne | hi there ! I'm just downloading a file from another 100mbit host in my lan, bit the speed doesn't get more that 80k. theres no traffic shaper running etc, any suggestions ? |
| 03:53.21 | stouset | Mardus: In theory. Less so in practice. |
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| 03:53.44 | mortalman | Anyone know what package provides the program "lockfile" ? |
| 03:53.51 | jasoncohen | !jigdo |
| 03:53.51 | dpkg | well, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
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| 03:53.56 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: Well, if you have another computer than can burn disks, look for a Knoppix-based release that centers on recovery, if the general Knoppix CD can't help. Though I am not experienced in Linux file recovery. |
| 03:54.00 | rking | ethcis: Linux zeego 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux -- typed by hand, since I don't have a mouse. =) |
| 03:54.08 | rking | s/ethcis/ethics |
| 03:54.09 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 03:54.32 | ethics | Mardust knoppix-std |
| 03:54.32 | mne | mortalman, mail/procmail |
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| 03:54.35 | Mardus | rking: Even with a mouse, you'd paste and you'd be kicked out. |
| 03:54.46 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: knoppix-std |
| 03:54.57 | SDFH_Linux | can you give me link plz |
| 03:54.59 | rking | Mardus: i don't think a bot can tell if I pasted a single line or if i typed it. =P |
| 03:55.13 | shingouz | Mardus: one line is ok but more than that results in a kick. well three i think but you get the picture |
| 03:55.21 | mortalman | mne: I'll be damned. thanks |
| 03:55.23 | jasoncohen | Mardus, um...every file has an md5sum. |
| 03:55.29 | Mardus | rking, shingouz: Oh, yea, I remembered. |
| 03:55.32 | mne | mortalman, np |
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| 03:55.40 | Mardus | jasoncohen: I didn't know that. |
| 03:55.47 | mauwolff | hi... some help with enlightenment? |
| 03:55.55 | shingouz | !ask |
| 03:55.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 03:56.00 | ethics | rking: yeah id get a later kernel image just to make sure its the latest....nothing like having to change it later after comiling stuffs hehe |
| 03:56.06 | jasoncohen | it's just a checksum derived from some mathematical formula |
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| 03:56.19 | mauwolff | i just installed epplets, theyre here but don't know how to stat'em... |
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| 03:56.47 | black13 | adultswim helps me get though another week |
| 03:56.47 | mauwolff | i just installed epplets, theyre here but don't know how to start'em and make'em appear on the desktop... |
| 03:57.03 | ethics | rking: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686.......headers also in case you want to compile |
| 03:57.04 | shingouz | !tell mauwolff about repeat |
| 03:57.11 | rking | ethics: ok - i'm installing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 - i'll probably hand compile sometime this week, just because i can't help myself. |
| 03:57.21 | rking | ethics: ahh, good tip re headers |
| 03:57.22 | Mardus | I have to be disconnected |
| 03:57.22 | Mardus | ... |
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| 03:57.50 | ethics | rking once oyu have new kernel reboot choose the new kernel see what happens.... |
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| 03:58.15 | rking | ethics: sveet - i'm headed that way |
| 03:58.25 | rking | zenbalrog: shouldn't do stuff like irc as root. =) |
| 03:58.26 | ethics | rking: in /boot is the .config file that was used for the kernel too so youhave the debian based settings to tweak from rather than guessing |
| 03:58.40 | mauwolff | noone uses enlightenment? |
| 03:58.50 | ethics | rking: nvidia video card? |
| 03:58.52 | Mardus | !enlightenment |
| 03:58.53 | dpkg | ask me about E |
| 03:58.54 | rking | ethics: oh yeah! great point... i've thought about that before, several times, half way through the config process |
| 03:58.58 | rking | ethics: how'd you guess? =) |
| 03:58.59 | Mardus | !E |
| 03:58.59 | dpkg | from memory, e is from memory, e is a silly bulky, overdone wm, or still the best looking window manager around. and smaller than windowmaker in memory, or of course, smaller than windowmaker isn't saying much. see sawfish. see MDMA, or 2.7182818284590452353602874713526625, or kicks ass, or a very versatile window manager, or *utter* shite |
| 03:59.08 | WhiteRabbit | rking, what if there in linspire though |
| 03:59.16 | ethics | rking and does your sound work? |
| 03:59.17 | shingouz | mauwolff: looks like peopel do not know the answer right off the bat. someone will eventually though |
| 03:59.39 | shingouz | s/peopel/people |
| 03:59.39 | rking | WhiteRabbit: yeesh.. that's out of my realm... i don't know. i guess if you don't care about being rooted, sure. =) |
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| 04:00.07 | Mardus | mauwolff: You haven't told us either what problem you have with it. |
| 04:00.11 | morom | i had to harddisks with one linuxdistribution on each one now my harddisk /dev/hda is broken so i have to remove it. But now my distribution on /dev/hdb1 dont start so i make a grub bootdisk with the command grub-floppy. I can start now the debian linux on /dev/hdb1 but i want to make it easy to start and not to write all time something like this root (hd0.0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb1 initrd .... |
| 04:00.13 | rking | ethics: i'm not sure, actually... i'm used to having alsa+osd compat... let me check with a lil cat < /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 04:00.26 | morom | so how can i automate it? |
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| 04:00.41 | ethics | E isnt that common on debian users.....servers dont run X and most of us seem to run gnome/kde or flux/twm etc |
| 04:00.59 | rking | ethics: dang, just like my usb - /dev/dsp doesn't complain about no such dev, but also doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 04:01.50 | ethics | rking: cool well reboot with the new kernel.....old ones in the list too for fallback in case of panic |
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| 04:03.06 | rking | marom: can you just plug the old hdb into the ide #1? |
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| 04:03.24 | morom | yes i think i can plug it. thats is the easy way? |
| 04:03.28 | Malf | If I want to get avis on vcds I first need to convert them to mpeg if I remember correctly. So my question would be what package/packages I'd want to look into for the conversion if I'm running testing? or do I need to grab something from unstable? |
| 04:03.31 | findme | mplayer wants a file "subfont.ttf" where can i get it ? |
| 04:03.42 | colk | does anyone know why named would take up all of the avaible system memory |
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| 04:03.46 | deadcat | findme: apt-cache search mplayer |
| 04:03.56 | deadcat | findme: theres a font packge for mplayer |
| 04:04.12 | deadcat | colk: because its a cpu hog |
| 04:04.12 | ethics | findme: open config and choose one default is nonexistant |
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| 04:04.13 | findme | deadcat, thanks i will download that |
| 04:04.16 | shingouz | morom: you need to make all references to /dev/hdb in fstab into /dev/hda though, otherwise should be ok |
| 04:04.38 | rking | ethics: same deal. =\ |
| 04:04.38 | Malf | as far as I can tell I have to probably grab mencoder or something which appears to be in unstable right now |
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| 04:04.44 | Malf | but I figured I'd see if anyone had any other options handy before I went through that process |
| 04:04.44 | findme | ethics, thanks |
| 04:04.46 | ethics | findme deadcat: or you can download mplayers fonts like deadcat said |
| 04:05.18 | ethics | rking...no mouse but no error? |
| 04:05.18 | rking | ethics: right |
| 04:05.18 | colk | other than being a cpu hog |
| 04:05.18 | colk | it used to run fine |
| 04:05.21 | morom | hmm ok but is there an option on grub-floppy to automate if i dont change to ide1? |
| 04:05.34 | rking | ethics: oh, geez - i didn't have the mouse plugged in this time. |
| 04:05.44 | ethics | rking: well thats unusual...time to spam the channel... |
| 04:06.14 | Malf | no takers on video type conversions it seems |
| 04:06.16 | ethics | ethics your beyond me with the mouse issue...there are smarter people than i on devices here tho.... |
| 04:06.20 | kanru | b |
| 04:06.38 | ethics | rking heheh |
| 04:06.38 | Malf | thanks anyway |
| 04:06.52 | ethics | rking well you can plug it in and restart for best effect.....restart DM may work but reboot is safest atm as its weird problem |
| 04:07.10 | ethics | mauf sec i read |
| 04:07.22 | SDFH_Linux | is kde 3.4 going to be released with sarge? |
| 04:07.27 | SDFH_Linux | or gnome 2.10? |
| 04:07.31 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: no no |
| 04:07.42 | SDFH_Linux | xorg? |
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| 04:07.59 | deadcat | no |
| 04:08.01 | kasper | when doing a fresh sarge install from the net is there a way to install X but not gnome or kde? |
| 04:08.10 | bruce2005 | i just installed kde , how do i start it |
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| 04:08.14 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, Xorg will go into unstable when sarge is released.. |
| 04:08.24 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:08.29 | rking | dang, same thing. |
| 04:08.34 | deadcat | kasper: ya. skip the desktop section. then apt-get install x-window-system-core openbox xterm mozilla-firefox |
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| 04:08.52 | spdf | I just ate half a litre of hangen-dazs... my face hurts |
| 04:09.02 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 04:09.12 | kasper | deadcat: thank ya |
| 04:09.25 | deadcat | spdf: i just missed a $150 macmini deal and piss as hell. |
| 04:09.28 | spdf | deadcat, Man, That would have been sweet. |
| 04:09.31 | bruce2005 | anyone knows the command to start kde |
| 04:09.33 | spdf | deadcat, Missed it by how much? |
| 04:09.38 | SDFH_Linux | deadcat is it easy to add kde or gnome afterwards if you just do that install? |
| 04:09.45 | rking | ethics: it seems like it's getting the vendor wron, for one thing. It's just a compaq wheel mouse, but lsusb shows "Primax Electronics, Ltd" - and the vendor id is only found under "scanners" in /etc/usbmgr/usbmgr.conf |
| 04:09.45 | shingouz | bruce2005: do you have X running? |
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| 04:09.49 | deadcat | spdf: he sold it to some dude for $450 6min i hung up the phone |
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| 04:10.00 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: no clue. never used kde/gnome |
| 04:10.11 | SDFH_Linux | you use openbox only? |
| 04:10.14 | spdf | deadcat, So close it stings |
| 04:10.28 | deadcat | spdf: i reply to his post and ask $150 he said yes. i thought he was joking so i waited a while )= |
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| 04:10.34 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: ya |
| 04:10.45 | spdf | mmm.. Fluxbox... *wm war* |
| 04:10.54 | ethics | rking: primax is a mouse maker....compaq prolly rebadged it.. |
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| 04:11.07 | rking | ethics: ahh, good tip |
| 04:11.09 | kasper | deadcat: so at the "Debian Configuration" screen (i.e. debian software selection) don't select anything and then do ^? |
| 04:11.17 | ethics | rking: it should come up as usb-hid something or other |
| 04:11.21 | deadcat | kasper: skip it. |
| 04:11.34 | kasper | deadcat: sweat. |
| 04:11.46 | ethics | rking: hmm wtf is usbmgr hehe....i wonder if i even have it hehe...dont remember it hehe |
| 04:11.59 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: i started with wmaker, themes sucks so i went to flux, flux dont have the scroll the mouse to shade so i jumped to openbox. its been rocking |
| 04:12.10 | deadcat | kasper: not sweating. |
| 04:12.15 | shingouz | ethics: usbmgr is a separate package that conflicts nicely with hotplug |
| 04:12.32 | kasper | deadcat: sweet. rather* |
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| 04:13.05 | rking | ethics: usbmgr was key in getting it to work the first time. i sat there, without a device on /dev/input/mice, and then i threw in a little apt-get install usbmgr - it did it's signature beep that it recognized my usb, and /dev/input/mice worked great from there on out. but that was just that one time. i even tried reinstalling usbmgr just to see if it was magic |
| 04:13.11 | SDFH_Linux | deadcat you dont use say k3b? |
| 04:13.33 | ethics | anyone got any ideas on rking's issue: x things mouse = /dev/input/mice....mouse plugged in detected by USB as a primax mouse on an address......no errors in X but also no working mouse ....2.6.8-2-686 debian kernel...linux26 fresh install |
| 04:13.46 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, probably uses cdrecord, and mkisofs, on the command line.. |
| 04:13.50 | rking | ethics: but i don't get any "hid" stuff - in fact, i can't "modprobe hid" - "Module hid not found" |
| 04:14.03 | shingouz | !2.6 mouse |
| 04:14.03 | dpkg | it has been said that 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 04:14.04 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: no. anything kde/qt based i dont use. |
| 04:14.12 | SDFH_Linux | why? |
| 04:14.19 | SDFH_Linux | just curious |
| 04:14.26 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, Why not? :) |
| 04:14.26 | binarydigit_ | ethics: try xev? |
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| 04:14.33 | ethics | appears to not be making it to /dev/input/mice |
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| 04:14.39 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: just shitty softwares. actually their theme suck so bad when i first start linux so fuck'em (= |
| 04:14.45 | ethics | rking ithink it was mousesys or something....i never ran into these issues but i know others did |
| 04:14.51 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, No reason installing all of the Qt libraries, etc, just to burn a cd.. |
| 04:14.55 | SDFH_Linux | how big should i make my / and home file? |
| 04:15.01 | shingouz | !tell ethics about usbmouse |
| 04:15.07 | SDFH_Linux | half the drive? |
| 04:15.13 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, How large is the drive? |
| 04:15.17 | SDFH_Linux | small |
| 04:15.19 | SDFH_Linux | 8.4gb |
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| 04:15.23 | ethics | shingouz, is that meant to be needed on a netinst as linux26? i thought it was an upgrade issue |
| 04:15.36 | rking | shingouz: i'll work through the 2 urls in that factoid |
| 04:15.40 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: Only you know how big /home needs to be. |
| 04:15.53 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, Like, 5gb, 500mb for swap, that leaves 3gb ish for system files.. |
| 04:15.56 | shingouz | ethics: you should check them out in anycase, something might have gond wrong |
| 04:15.58 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: I have to ask why you think you need to partition it separately at all. |
| 04:16.58 | SDFH_Linux | 3gb enough for system files? |
| 04:17.15 | bruce2005 | what is the command to start up kde, i dont have x running and have the sarge dist. |
| 04:17.31 | shingouz | bruce2005: try startx to begin with |
| 04:17.39 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, like mwilson said, why not just make two partitions, swap and / (root).. |
| 04:17.47 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:18.05 | shingouz | bruce2005: you really need to read up a bit more on basic commands you know |
| 04:18.10 | bruce2005 | shingouz: isn't that for starting xwindows? caus i had it before |
| 04:18.11 | varroa | SDFH, if this is a personal desktop system, you should be fine with just a swap and / |
| 04:18.26 | shingouz | bruce2005: just try it to being with ffs |
| 04:18.43 | ethics | rking: modprobe hid as root? |
| 04:18.44 | bruce2005 | what's ffs |
| 04:18.48 | shingouz | !ffs |
| 04:18.49 | dpkg | i guess ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
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| 04:19.14 | spdf | bruce2005, install kdm |
| 04:19.19 | spdf | bruce2005, apt-get install kdm |
| 04:19.23 | R_engel | Sarge is Release ? |
| 04:19.37 | spdf | R_engel, not yet, its close though.. |
| 04:19.39 | bruce2005 | i have already installed kde |
| 04:19.39 | shingouz | R_engel: you will know when it is released |
| 04:19.49 | rking | ethics: i don't have a hid module |
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| 04:19.53 | shingouz | bruce2005: cant you try startx? |
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| 04:20.00 | trave11er | shingouz: when it's on slashdot? ;-) |
| 04:20.11 | shingouz | trave11er: about so |
| 04:20.23 | bruce2005 | shingouz: i dont want to start up x windows, i think that command is for starting x windows unless i'm wrong |
| 04:20.23 | ethics | R_engel, nope but very close...rking well thats just not right hehe |
| 04:20.39 | shingouz | bruce2005: what do you think kde is then? |
| 04:20.52 | trave11er | bruce2005: all the graphical environments run on top of X |
| 04:21.05 | mortalman | I'm trying to make a mirror of debian and I have the script anonftpsync, but I'm not sure how to exclude releases. For example. I don't want sid. I just want sarge and woody. Anyone know how to do this? |
| 04:21.07 | Mardus | bruce2005: Do you want to run KDE or something else instead of KDE? |
| 04:21.09 | bruce2005 | oh |
| 04:21.09 | trave11er | bruce2005: you can't start kde without starting an X server |
| 04:21.09 | rking | ethics: one notable thing about that kerneltrap.org note on "2.6 mouse" was that my XF86Config was setting it to a ImPS/2, but something about the 2.6 kernel exporting it as ExplorerPS/2 no matter what |
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| 04:21.38 | Mardus | shingouz: about another ignore regarding whom? |
| 04:21.54 | shingouz | Mardus: oh just someone here on the channel.. not you in anycase |
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| 04:22.00 | R_engel | ttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/ - ? |
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| 04:22.12 | Mardus | shingouz: I knew it wasn't me, just wondered who that could be. |
| 04:22.13 | karsten | shingouz: This channel needs an Ignorble Awards. |
| 04:22.28 | shingouz | bruce2005: i hope you already read the n00b faq someone told you to read earlier.... |
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| 04:22.35 | mwilson | karsten: Good evening! |
| 04:22.37 | shingouz | !beer karsten |
| 04:22.38 | Mardus | bruce2005: x windows is not Windows. It's called X Window System. |
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| 04:22.50 | spdf | Oh man, I thought that said deficate.. |
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| 04:22.55 | TimeKilla | Just wondering if anyone here knows how to xfer my debian cd to the hdd and install it from there instead of from the cd drive.. i think my drive is screwing up the installation. If i could get the contents of it to the hdd and install the Netinst cd from there instead I could rule out the cd drive problem... /msg me please if u have some time to help out a techy taking his first steps into the world of linux. (thanx in advance) |
| 04:23.04 | bruce2005 | shingooz: i'm sorry but i'm new to linux |
| 04:23.22 | rking | of course that didn't work - probably ExplorerPS/2 was good, but it's not going to make a difference if cat /dev/input/mice is showing nothing. |
| 04:23.22 | chealer | !tell TimeKilla about msgyou |
| 04:23.22 | karsten | mwilson: Groots. |
| 04:23.23 | bruce2005 | and kde looks amazing |
| 04:23.25 | shingouz | bruce2005: i can tell. di dyou read the n00b faq? |
| 04:23.32 | spdf | TimeKilla, Download the netinst, its very small and you don't need to install much to get the basesystem up.,. |
| 04:23.38 | chealer | TimeKilla: can you see the kernel-image packages on the CD? |
| 04:23.38 | Mardus | !tell TimeKilla about you |
| 04:23.56 | karsten | mwilson: Question is: is it an evening or an oddening? |
| 04:23.59 | bruce2005 | no where's the n00b faq |
| 04:24.09 | Mardus | karsten: A morning. |
| 04:24.27 | mwilson | I like 'oddening'. |
| 04:24.32 | mwilson | That's a nice word. |
| 04:24.42 | lordmyren | any way to do a netinstall from wireless? |
| 04:24.53 | TimeKilla | chealer i'll chek it could take a moment to get into the shell again one minute |
| 04:24.54 | spdf | lordmyren, if the card is supported.. |
| 04:25.10 | lordmyren | yeah, i'm hoping this will magicalyl work. i'm afraid i might need ndiswrapper |
| 04:25.23 | shingouz | !tell bruce2005 about newbie_guide |
| 04:25.27 | lordmyren | but the net install will have iwtools? so i can choose my essid &all? |
| 04:25.38 | shingouz | bruce2005: do yourself a favor and read it |
| 04:26.03 | shingouz | lordmyren: afaik netinstall with ndiswrapper is a no-go |
| 04:26.35 | TimeKilla | chealer what path will i locate the kernels? |
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| 04:26.49 | rking | what's kernel-tree vs kernel-source? |
| 04:26.56 | rking | kernel-source i'm familiar with.. |
| 04:26.56 | chealer | TimeKilla: pool/main/k |
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| 04:27.15 | pekkele | how i can start gdesklets in debian with xfce |
| 04:27.20 | TimeKilla | chealer: thanks i'll be looking in just a moment.. had to run the install to get back to a shell (i'm so newb atm) |
| 04:27.34 | chealer | rking: quote "The package serves no purpose outside of the Debian build and archive infrastructure." |
| 04:27.46 | rking | chealer: oh. |
| 04:27.52 | Mardus | TimeKilla: ATM-s are very easy machines, you just put your card in it... |
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| 04:28.29 | spdf | pekkele, install it, and add the gdesklets command to your .xsession |
| 04:28.33 | pekkele | how i can start gdesklets ?im running debian sarge debian with xfce |
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| 04:29.11 | pekkele | spdf: thanx i have installed it... how to add the gdesklets command to your .xsession |
| 04:29.26 | spdf | pekkele, You don't add it to mine. You add it to yours. But seriously... |
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| 04:29.38 | rking | what layer actually assigns devices into /dev/input/mice? is it the kernel itself? if so, is it some module doing a call to add itself to the mice list? |
| 04:29.45 | spdf | pekkele, edit ~/.xession, and add the command.. |
| 04:29.52 | ethics | rking: headers = the part of sources neede for comiling stuff normally...rarely need more than headers |
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| 04:29.58 | nbvk | i was looking to make my own live linux cd for myself, with my own wireless drivers, apps etc based on debian -> where can i start to look to get this going? |
| 04:29.59 | spdf | pekkele, ~/.xsession rather |
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| 04:30.11 | spdf | Pounce. |
| 04:30.16 | mosty | nvz, knoppix |
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| 04:31.15 | spdf | nbvk, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7233 |
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| 04:31.47 | Dreamer3 | is there any way to tell dpkg-buildpackage to just download and install the builddeps? |
| 04:31.54 | nbvk | ok thanks spdf |
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| 04:32.02 | mosty | Dreamer3, apt-get build-dep package |
| 04:32.42 | Dreamer3 | mosty: hmmm... will it flag a certain way so later i'll know i don't need them? |
| 04:33.07 | mosty | dreamer3: no. you might be able to use deborphan/debfoster to do that though |
| 04:33.41 | Seb | my uptime is 208 days, yet "wtmp begins Sun Jun 5 21:14:20 2005". How do I increase my wtmp ? |
| 04:33.46 | ethics | rking: the way i understand it...hotplug/usbmgr detect the device then modprobe probes the module name . the module creates the dev references |
| 04:33.53 | mortalman | Anyone at all familiar with anonftpsync? |
| 04:33.54 | Seb | i want to keep a much longer wtmp |
| 04:34.13 | mosty | seb: i believe you want to read up on logrotate |
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| 04:34.30 | rking | ethics: and hotplug/usbmgr's job is just to invoke modprobe with the right arguments? |
| 04:34.30 | Seb | mosty: i know it, i didn't think wtmp was a logfile like any other |
| 04:34.34 | Seb | mosty: thx for the tip |
| 04:34.37 | pekkele | how i can run gdesklets in X?? |
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| 04:35.05 | rking | pekkele: have you tried "apt-get install gdeklets gdesklets-data"? |
| 04:35.05 | mosty | seb: well it lives in /var/log/ so i'm going to assume it is |
| 04:35.19 | Seb | mosty: fair enough :) |
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| 04:35.32 | shingouz | pekkele: add the command to ~/.xsession. you should be able to figure out the command with dpkg -L packagename |
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| 04:36.03 | pekkele | rking: yeah i installed it |
| 04:36.19 | pekkele | shingouz: where is ~/.xsession |
| 04:36.19 | rking | pekkele: do you already have a ~/.xsession? |
| 04:36.29 | shingouz | pekkele: in your home |
| 04:36.30 | pekkele | rking yeah, with xfce4 |
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| 04:37.09 | Seb | ok, somebody has got to put "21:36:20 pekkele | shingouz: where is ~/.xsession" in the factoid thingie :> |
| 04:37.26 | Seb | factd or something, I can never remember where it's stored |
| 04:37.45 | deadcat | am i the only one getting this problem? ati card, glxgears wheels are very slow. but the FPS is 550. is that look/sound ok? |
| 04:37.46 | shingouz | Seb: as a qotd? :) |
| 04:37.51 | Seb | shingouz: yeeeees |
| 04:37.55 | ethics | rking: i believe so... |
| 04:37.57 | Seb | shingouz: *that* :() |
| 04:37.58 | rking | pekkele: "~" expands to $HOME, which is like /home/pekkele |
| 04:38.01 | Seb | i mean ":)" |
| 04:38.17 | shingouz | Seb: go ahead if you like, i dont mind |
| 04:38.22 | Mardus | shingouz: btw, I got the #mandriva IRC server/channel name, so I can connect to that to mandriva questions. |
| 04:38.25 | Seb | deadcat: doesn't ati has its won glxgears ? |
| 04:38.27 | Mardus | *for |
| 04:38.33 | Seb | shingouz: i dunno how to do it :) |
| 04:38.40 | deadcat | Seb: i am using all debian pacakges. |
| 04:38.48 | Seb | deadcat: i know, yet the binary is called something different |
| 04:38.54 | shingouz | Mardus: that is the only place someone can actually answer questions about mandriva |
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| 04:39.02 | ethics | deadcat : glxgears works with ATI? |
| 04:39.02 | Seb | deadcat: you did install some ATI fglrx driver right ? |
| 04:39.06 | deadcat | Seb: i used to have the trunk stuff. but i gues i dont have it anymore |
| 04:39.13 | Mardus | <kitchen> |
| 04:39.15 | pekkele | shingouz: here in /home/pekkele/ is ./sesseion-errors do i must to configure that ?? |
| 04:39.16 | deadcat | ethics: ya. gives me ~ 550FPS |
| 04:39.25 | shingouz | Seb: i *do* have to admit that i like that qotd you just mentioned |
| 04:39.30 | pekkele | and somekind ./Xauthority |
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| 04:39.38 | shingouz | pekkele: no. i said .xsession |
| 04:39.43 | Seb | shingouz: :> |
| 04:39.53 | Seb | shingouz: cmon make it happen... Or at least tell me the syntax :> |
| 04:39.54 | benjamindees | does this page crash firefox for anyone (must have javascript enabled)? http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/4283 |
| 04:39.57 | deadcat | Seb: nothing from apt-cache search |
| 04:40.05 | shingouz | Seb: i dont know the syntax :( |
| 04:40.10 | pekkele | shingouz: yeah i know i can find .xsession . i am running sarge and xfce |
| 04:40.11 | Seb | deadcat: so you're not running the ATI binary driver ? |
| 04:40.13 | Seb | shingouz: haha, j |
| 04:40.16 | rking | pekkele: nope - that's where the xsession-errors go. it's useful to keep an eye on that thing when you're working onyour ~/.xsession |
| 04:40.17 | Seb | k |
| 04:40.22 | ethics | deadcat: hmm...you wouldnt happen to have a nvidia driver compiled on that box? someone said that the two installers screw each other up... |
| 04:40.27 | shingouz | pekkele: how about a locate xsession then? |
| 04:40.32 | shingouz | (jfc) |
| 04:40.36 | deadcat | Seb: no. i used to have #deb http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk-sid/ ./ |
| 04:40.51 | Seb | deadcat: so just plain old ati driver from xfree ? |
| 04:40.53 | deadcat | ethics: no. no nvidia shits either. |
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| 04:41.01 | deadcat | Seb: i think so. |
| 04:41.07 | Seb | deadcat: k, then I dunno :) |
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| 04:41.15 | Seb | hrm, is dpkg screwed ? |
| 04:41.17 | Seb | (the bot) |
| 04:41.30 | deadcat | Seb: ya. its upgradding to sarge (= |
| 04:41.38 | rking | just a curiosity: what parts of the kernel are affected by 386 vs 686, pentium vs pentiumIV - where should i look for speed differences? |
| 04:41.59 | Seb | deadcat: heheh |
| 04:42.16 | Seb | rking: math stuff, media playing usually |
| 04:43.12 | Seb | k, anyone got SBC DSL in or around San Francisco ? I think they're having problems (timing out on http, things like that) but of course their tech support denies it |
| 04:43.16 | rking | Seb: does the kernel decode .mpg or something? what layer(s) of the kernel is in a position to do much intense media processing? |
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| 04:43.19 | pekkele | shingouz: pekkele@ibm:~$ locate xsession |
| 04:43.19 | pekkele | /home/pekkele/.xsession-errors |
| 04:43.19 | pekkele | /root/.xsession-errors |
| 04:43.20 | pekkele | /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/examples/xsession.gz |
| 04:43.20 | pekkele | /usr/share/xsessions |
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| 04:43.28 | ethics | rking: not much difference...only time youll se much is in mmX/SSE2 apps like mencoder etrc |
| 04:43.31 | Seb | rking: as I said, math processing |
| 04:43.42 | pekkele | i cant see anywhere xsession in my HOME!!! |
| 04:43.44 | ethics | !wave at pekkele |
| 04:43.51 | Seb | pekkele: .xsession |
| 04:43.53 | rking | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.53 | shingouz | rking: the differencies are with the command set of the cpu. a P4 supports everything a 386 does but not vice versa. graphics and maths nbasically |
| 04:43.55 | Seb | pekkele: with a dot in front |
| 04:43.59 | rking | !tell pekkele about xsession |
| 04:44.02 | Seb | pekkele: cat ~/.xsession |
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| 04:44.37 | rking | shingouz: right - that concept i get - but i'm not sure what parts of the kernel are all that math-intensive. |
| 04:44.54 | pekkele | Seb: no suck file or directory |
| 04:45.01 | shingouz | rking: now i miss your point. |
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| 04:45.16 | rking | or does setting your proc to PentiumXYZ somehow expose the extended instructions to user-space programs? |
| 04:45.26 | shingouz | pekkele: have you tried man xsession already? |
| 04:45.35 | pekkele | yeah.. |
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| 04:45.51 | spdf | pekkele, if the file doesn't exist, then create it.. |
| 04:45.53 | shingouz | rking: no, just that the newer cpus can more things than the older ones |
| 04:45.54 | pekkele | hmm where da f is my xsession file |
| 04:46.00 | rking | shingouz: ok, if i was compiling, say, opengl, i would definitely picture the ways that extended instructions would be involved by that lib. but compiling the kernel? seems like the kernel pretty much just does stuff that would be basic ops |
| 04:46.05 | spdf | pekkele, its in your home directory.. |
| 04:46.10 | shingouz | pekkele: you have to create da f |
| 04:46.12 | spdf | pekkele, ~ is HOME.. /home/[username] |
| 04:46.21 | deadcat | ethics: i think i am using the radeon and drm driver from the kernel. |
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| 04:46.36 | pekkele | spdf there is no xsession file in my home!!! |
| 04:46.43 | spdf | pekkele, the file is .xsession, a . before a file name "hides" it, ls -a will list all files including "hidden" files.. |
| 04:46.49 | spdf | pekkele, SO MAKE ONE |
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| 04:46.59 | shingouz | rking: try it. take a 386 and run it on a P4 kernel, you'll see |
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| 04:47.14 | pekkele | spdf: okey, pls help :-) |
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| 04:47.21 | shingouz | rking: just do it on a test box, not a production server ;) |
| 04:47.26 | Seb | shingouz: you meant "no. I said .xsession. 8 times" |
| 04:47.32 | spdf | pekkele, type this... echo gdesklets > ~/.xsession |
| 04:47.33 | TimeKilla | I want to copy over 2 files from my cdrom drive to a /boot/newinstall directory.. but i've never done this before as this is my first time using linux. Can anyone provide me with the syntax and command for copying files? |
| 04:47.38 | shingouz | Seb: yea, i thikn so |
| 04:47.48 | rking | shingouz: that's a good point! i've only ever run, say, a 386 kernel on a P4 - but not the other way around, which would show me exactly where it fails. =) |
| 04:47.57 | shingouz | we need to have a #debian-clueless |
| 04:48.04 | TimeKilla | sorry |
| 04:48.06 | toresbe | it gives you a rather informative message |
| 04:48.07 | shingouz | rking: on boot |
| 04:48.07 | spdf | TimeKilla, oh man. read the newbie-guide.. |
| 04:48.17 | TimeKilla | thanks on it |
| 04:48.17 | spdf | TimeKilla, the copy command is cp |
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| 04:48.25 | smoked1 | Hi all |
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| 04:48.32 | rking | shingouz: i think i'm just going to peruse the kernel source, look for #ifdef P4, so to speak |
| 04:48.48 | shingouz | !tell TimeKilla about newbie_guide |
| 04:48.51 | spdf | !tell TimeKilla about newbie_guide |
| 04:49.01 | Seb | shingouz 1 - 0 spdf |
| 04:49.22 | Seb | damn that is pissing me off |
| 04:49.24 | smoked1 | Should i change testing to sarge in my sources.list file? |
| 04:49.29 | pekkele | spdf: no suck file or directory |
| 04:49.49 | Seb | man, pekkele is a qotd machine |
| 04:49.55 | spdf | pekkele, um. |
| 04:49.56 | Seb | pekkele: it meant "you suck" |
| 04:49.58 | shingouz | rking: i dont think that is really what you are looking for, you need to check the gcc optimizations too. a 386 simply will not run a P4. check the instruction sets on the cpus and you see what has ben added to the newer cpus when compared to the older ones |
| 04:49.58 | rking | pekkele: do you mind parting this channel and talking to me in a privmsg? |
| 04:50.10 | rking | pekkele: i think all the people telling you the same thing at once is causing confusion. =) |
| 04:50.12 | smoked1 | should I make it "deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main" ? |
| 04:50.19 | shingouz | rking: dont do that man... |
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| 04:50.28 | smoked1 | because it is going stable? |
| 04:50.30 | Seb | rking: ritual seppuku ? |
| 04:50.32 | shingouz | ffs... |
| 04:50.35 | pekkele | :D |
| 04:50.39 | pekkele | help now |
| 04:50.44 | spdf | pekkele, You have a terminal open.. right? |
| 04:50.52 | pekkele | dpdf: yes |
| 04:50.53 | smoked1 | new to the apt system here |
| 04:50.53 | pekkele | :) |
| 04:50.53 | Seb | smoked1: what do you have *now* ? |
| 04:50.59 | shingouz | pekkele: laita se perkuleen xsessions siihen kotihakemistoon ja lakkaa natisem,asta |
| 04:50.59 | pekkele | sir |
| 04:51.02 | Seb | smoked1: o h just saw it |
| 04:51.02 | smoked1 | ake it "deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main" ? |
| 04:51.05 | mosty | smoked1, yes, i would change it to sarge |
| 04:51.11 | shingouz | jfc.. |
| 04:51.14 | Seb | smoked1: well do you wanna run stable now ? I mean, after it's released ? |
| 04:51.19 | smoked1 | yes |
| 04:51.23 | Seb | smoked1: then make it sarge, yes |
| 04:51.25 | smoked1 | i love sarge |
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| 04:51.43 | smoked1 | Will it still act the same right now |
| 04:51.46 | Seb | smoked1: also do it for the deb... line, not only the deb-src |
| 04:51.51 | Seb | smoked1: it will |
| 04:51.57 | smoked1 | ok, Thanks man |
| 04:52.17 | spdf | My brain hurts.. |
| 04:52.23 | pekkele | shingouz: what i must put i dat file |
| 04:52.24 | smoked1 | I am totally new to debian. Is sid pretty stable? |
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| 04:52.50 | pekkele | shingouz: what i must put ni dat file (.xsession |
| 04:52.51 | Supaplex | smoked1: sid is always unstable |
| 04:52.53 | shingouz | pekkele: how about reading the frigging example file you find on the filesystem already? in .gz format |
| 04:53.02 | smoked1 | gotcha |
| 04:53.04 | deadcat | smoked1: just stick with testing if you dont know |
| 04:53.06 | Nurbs | is etch already up? :) |
| 04:53.08 | smoked1 | k |
| 04:53.18 | shingouz | !topicsmite Nurbs |
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| 04:53.19 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Nurbs. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:53.30 | pekkele | fuq what kind or peoples here :( |
| 04:53.34 | Supaplex | Nurbs: erm, if sarge isn't stable, what makes you hope etch is available? |
| 04:53.35 | pekkele | no one help |
| 04:54.02 | Nurbs | Supaplex: I am downloading the sarge stable ISOs right now afaict. |
| 04:54.05 | spdf | pekkele, I told you what to do.. |
| 04:54.06 | shingouz | pekkele: have you already counted how many times i have told you to rtfm, read the example file and make the file into your home |
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| 04:54.21 | dondelelcaro | pekkele: you stil anything in .xsession that you want to run. exec /path/to/windowmanager is a typical example. |
| 04:54.31 | pekkele | what is must put in that xsession file, i am creating one by my self, i have debian sarge, xfce and i want put also gdesklets in that |
| 04:54.31 | shingouz | pekkele: if you like i can come over there to your palce and make it work. E150 an hour |
| 04:54.53 | spdf | pekkele, Got an sshd running? ;) |
| 04:54.59 | shingouz | pekkele: read the example file. dpkg -L gdesklets tells you the command |
| 04:55.06 | pekkele | :D |
| 04:55.06 | shingouz | spdf: dont you dare |
| 04:55.14 | spdf | shingouz, Oh. I dare. |
| 04:55.28 | shingouz | spdf: dont. simply dont. |
| 04:55.44 | shingouz | pekkele: dont let anyone get onto your computer with ssh or telnet |
| 04:55.45 | spdf | lol, It wouldn't be anything malicious.. |
| 04:55.47 | Supaplex | echo 'kill -9 $$' >> ~/.bash_profile |
| 04:55.57 | smoked1 | I was wondering what the differance is between RH enterprice and regular RH or fedora |
| 04:55.58 | shingouz | pekkele: there is no way in hell you can tell what s/he plants there |
| 04:56.09 | Supaplex | smoked1: erm ask #fedora |
| 04:56.13 | pekkele | shingouz: okey ;) |
| 04:56.15 | rking | pekkele: is the coolest. |
| 04:56.21 | shingouz | spdf: and if you screw uo his install he is going to be majorly pissed off |
| 04:56.45 | rking | can't you safely go with the stuff that's in the xsession factoid? |
| 04:56.48 | deadcat | smoked1: nothing. except morons contrib to fedora and redhat puts them in enterprice and sell it back to those morons |
| 04:56.50 | rking | !xsession |
| 04:56.50 | dpkg | xsession is probably ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 04:56.55 | Defty | why not give an sshd to a temporal user :p |
| 04:57.01 | smoked1 | thats fucked up |
| 04:57.05 | ethics | deadcat: this may be nothing but isnt dri what you want not drm? |
| 04:57.20 | deadcat | ethics: i dont know what they are.. |
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| 04:57.26 | Defty | *temporary |
| 04:57.30 | smoked1 | I never liked RK anyways but one of the dedicated servers I might get has it on it |
| 04:57.39 | smoked1 | they wont support fbsd or debian |
| 04:57.53 | Supaplex | smoked1: what? your question has scope creep. We can't very well support everything. why not ask those in the know? #fedora should know, shouldn't they? |
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| 04:58.21 | shingouz | this is a very long sunday... |
| 04:58.48 | smoked1 | yeah but I have to register my nick and Im just lazy right now |
| 04:58.49 | ethics | smoked: yeah commercial opensource is like that.... not to mention dells mplayer is mplayerhq's mplayer with a skin and some options removed.....they dont charge for it so it's theirs?? wheres the source?....on their website with a disclaimer |
| 04:58.52 | smoked1 | No worries though |
| 04:58.58 | Nurbs | it's a nice monday ;) |
| 04:59.09 | shingouz | Nurbs: permasunday more like it |
| 04:59.21 | smoked1 | interesting |
| 04:59.21 | deadcat | looks like alot of people gonna have a case of the mondays (= |
| 04:59.27 | smoked1 | OMG |
| 04:59.36 | smoked1 | OFFICE SPACE |
| 04:59.41 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:59.58 | deadcat | smoked1: i believe you get your ass kicked for that man. |
| 05:00.07 | Supaplex | !confuse smoked1 |
| 05:00.09 | dpkg | No, where are my gerbil today, smoked1? wellies of the democracy of belarus with extra ham |
| 05:00.22 | smoked1 | LMAO |
| 05:00.25 | smoked1 | nice |
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| 05:00.55 | smoked1 | Hey can you guys help me with my Windows 98 problems? |
| 05:01.01 | Seb | ah, good, the fam bug made it to RC |
| 05:01.04 | yarddog | WHAT? |
| 05:01.22 | smoked1 | HA! LMFAO |
| 05:01.25 | shingouz | !lart smoked1 |
| 05:01.25 | deadcat | smoked1: sure. just ask |
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| 05:01.51 | deadcat | i used to admin for win98... like corperate admin |
| 05:02.07 | shingouz | poor deadcat ;) |
| 05:02.28 | deadcat | shingouz: shh. i was bullshitting. |
| 05:02.41 | smoked1 | My windows machine keeps giving me the BSOD is that a feature of windows because it does it all the time? |
| 05:02.46 | shingouz | deadcat: ok.. i'll sshhh... |
| 05:02.52 | jbmigel | w00t as of 12:00 eastern time DEBIAN has RELEASED woody >>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ <<< |
| 05:02.59 | deadcat | smoked1: you need to install sp2 |
| 05:03.16 | smoked1 | They arent up to 15 yet huh |
| 05:03.21 | spdf | omg omg omg. woody. |
| 05:03.25 | jbmigel | lol |
| 05:03.26 | shingouz | smoked1: yes it is, that is because the system is configured to make you stop working from time to time so you do not get ulcers |
| 05:03.27 | Seb | jbmigel: big fucking news there |
| 05:03.48 | deadcat | !moron jbmigel |
| 05:03.49 | dpkg | jbmigel: You are moron #51 |
| 05:03.50 | Silicon | heeh |
| 05:03.52 | spdf | as 12:00EST... 3yrs ago.. |
| 05:03.57 | spdf | !moron me |
| 05:03.58 | dpkg | spdf: You are moron #14 |
| 05:04.02 | shingouz | heh |
| 05:04.02 | spdf | Wicked.. 14.. I win |
| 05:04.09 | jbmigel | deadcat i was moron #76 last time i said anything... looks like im movin up!~ |
| 05:04.18 | deadcat | jbmigel: hahaha. |
| 05:04.21 | shingouz | !moron jbmigel |
| 05:04.21 | dpkg | jbmigel: You are moron #62 |
| 05:04.28 | jbmigel | doh |
| 05:04.28 | rking | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:04.31 | rking | money for everyone! |
| 05:04.32 | deadcat | jbmigel: wait till you are number 2 heheh |
| 05:04.33 | rking | i love you all! |
| 05:04.41 | rking | unf unf unf my mouse works unf unf unf |
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| 05:04.48 | rking | beer for everyone, too! |
| 05:04.56 | shingouz | rking: :) |
| 05:05.00 | jbmigel | !moron deadcat |
| 05:05.03 | dpkg | deadcat: You are moron #36 |
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| 05:05.17 | deadcat | bad bot. i am 47 |
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| 05:05.37 | yaboo | hello anyone able to point me or give me advice on how to use make-kpkg |
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| 05:05.57 | mwilson | It has a man page and extensive documentation. |
| 05:05.58 | shingouz | ...what was the factoid again.... |
| 05:05.59 | spdf | I have to stop coming here while at work. You guys get me slacking something awful.. |
| 05:06.08 | deadcat | shingouz: dont remember either. |
| 05:06.09 | sep | yaboo: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 05:06.18 | bruce2005 | any idea on where and how to get the X resize and rotation version 1.1 |
| 05:06.20 | rking | ethics: i'm here tooling around in menuconfig, and i found the HID section - hit ? on the "USB Human Interface Device support" section - it tells me to expect a "usbhid" module - so my problem was i was modprobe hid'ing when i should've been modprobe usbhid |
| 05:06.29 | sep | spdf: you and me both ! |
| 05:06.38 | shingouz | bruce2005: wtf are you trying to do |
| 05:06.47 | jbmigel | yaboo try installing kernel-package then it just works |
| 05:07.00 | rking | ethics: and the reason i didn't have to mess with that last time probably had to do with some aspect of the install process. Actually, i wonder if this is a reportable bug... the install process probably shouldn't give me usbhid unless it's a permanent module |
| 05:07.08 | Seb | rking: why not use a precompiled debian kernel image ? |
| 05:07.11 | Mardus | burce2005: Well, what do you want to do witht hat? |
| 05:07.15 | Mardus | * with |
| 05:07.17 | spdf | sep, last week, I forgot to do the weekly backup... so we've got a two week old weekly, and 13 increments... because I sat on here for 3hrs... *whoops* |
| 05:07.24 | bruce2005 | trying to upgrade my X windows in order to reduce kde resolution |
| 05:07.42 | rking | Seb: i /am/ on a kernel-image.deb - i was just falling back to hand-compiling because i couldn't figure out my usbmouse problem. |
| 05:07.53 | sep | spdf: i'm afraid of incremental backups... that's why i do daily full bakups |
| 05:07.54 | Seb | rking: oh I see |
| 05:07.57 | Mardus | bruce2005: It's not x windows, it's X Window System or just X. |
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| 05:08.09 | shingouz | bruce2005: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 05:08.20 | Seb | bruce2005: why do you think you need to upgrade to reduce the resolution ? |
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| 05:08.21 | rking | Seb: but, thank God, i happened to look in the docs for it... i was definitely in "poke around and hope it solves the problem" mode |
| 05:08.31 | Seb | rking: ain't we all ? :> |
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| 05:08.38 | rking | hehe |
| 05:09.02 | bruce2005 | Seb: caus thas the display i get in kde askin me to upgrade |
| 05:09.25 | rking | so now that my usb mouse is working, do ya'll think that might also enable my keyboard to work as usb? i'd like to throw away PS/2 altogether |
| 05:09.30 | rking | or is keyboard usb a bios thing? |
| 05:09.37 | Mardus | bruce2005: You don't have to upgrade. Does it say _what_ to upgrade? |
| 05:09.42 | rking | there's no /dev/keyboard afaik |
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| 05:10.01 | Mardus | rking: Don't throw away, donate to someone who needs it more than you do. |
| 05:10.25 | mosty | rking, plug it into the usb port and see if it works. you may need to change some bios settings to use a usb keyboard at the boot prompt however |
| 05:10.26 | rking | Mardus: well, by "throw away" i mean set my USB->PS/2 adapter on the shelf |
| 05:10.45 | Mardus | rking: Oh, that. |
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| 05:10.59 | rking | mosty: do you expect that it would work hot? like, if i do it right now and it doesn't work, expect it to not work on reboot? |
| 05:11.01 | bruce2005 | Mardus: it says "Your X server does not support resizing and rotating the display. Please update to version 4.3 or greater. You need the X resize and rotate extension version 1.1 or greater to use this feature." |
| 05:11.08 | jasoncohen | how does the debian autobuild process work? it looks as if it installs all the build-deps to a tmp directory, compiles and then wipes the tmp directory\ |
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| 05:11.33 | shingouz | bruce2005: wtf are you tryng to do and at what point do you get that error? |
| 05:11.36 | aim1159 | is it save to download ISO images of 3.1_r0 now? |
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| 05:11.54 | yaboo | mwilson trying to make sense from the man page |
| 05:11.56 | aim1159 | I just checked the images.debian.org server and found them there... |
| 05:11.57 | yaboo | figured so far make-kpkg --version=1.0 kernel_images |
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| 05:11.59 | yaboo | but need a --target? |
| 05:12.01 | jbmigel | rking a crappy aspect of my usb keyboard is that GRUB has no support for it so i cant select kernel... keyboard only works after system is up |
| 05:12.14 | Mardus | bruce2005: I think this resizing and rotating likely applies when you use a monitor that can rotate. If you want to change the display resolution, e.g. from 1024x768 to 800x600, there's a different way. I don't know which, maybe someone can tell better. |
| 05:12.17 | shingouz | bruce2005: i get the feeling that you have misconfigured X if you get something like that, you probably are running vesa instead of the proper driver |
| 05:12.26 | bruce2005 | shingouz: its not an error, its a display msg where i want to change my resolution in kde |
| 05:12.32 | mosty | jbmigel, you can fix that in the bios |
| 05:12.33 | rking | this is me typing on a usb keyboard, and this is me pasting from a usb mouse: <shingouz> |
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| 05:12.36 | rking | life is good. |
| 05:12.37 | shingouz | bruce2005: i give up |
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| 05:12.57 | apzien | what an onboard 1394 in bios setup? |
| 05:13.02 | Seb | bruce2005 1 - 0 shingouz |
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| 05:13.11 | jbmigel | mosty i have it set for no plug and play os... also the keyboard works at boot, i can hit <del> to enter bios... but at grub menu it is unresponsive |
| 05:13.20 | bruce2005 | shigouz: ya i run vesa caus have my video card incorportated with the mother board |
| 05:13.26 | shingouz | Seb: i can only take so much of it per day |
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| 05:13.38 | shingouz | !tell bruce2005 about nicktab |
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| 05:13.41 | Mardus | bruce2005: Do you want to change the colour resolution or the display pixel resolution? |
| 05:13.47 | mosty | jbmigel, there's another setting "legacy usb" or "allow usb keyboard in dos" that will fix it |
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| 05:14.14 | trave11er | yaboo: zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz, about two screens down there are step-by-step instructions for building a kernel |
| 05:14.14 | bruce2005 | display pixel resolution |
| 05:14.15 | jbmigel | mosty hmmm havent seen that one buy ill go take a look now! |
| 05:14.15 | shingouz | bruce2005: you do not *have* to run vesa, it depends on the chipset on the video. damn. rtfm |
| 05:14.30 | mnsny | hiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 05:15.05 | k-man | how good is linux at using the dual cores in dual core cpus? |
| 05:15.14 | Seb | bruce2005: vesa has nothing to do with the fact that your grpahical card is integrated |
| 05:15.16 | mnsny | halloo |
| 05:15.20 | Defty | dual cores in dual core?? |
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| 05:15.31 | Mardus | bruce2005: Well, first off, I would change the driver and then change the display resolution. |
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| 05:15.34 | Seb | bruce2005: reconfigure your x server and pick the right driver. Hint: vesa is *not* the right one. |
| 05:15.39 | spdf | k-man, That doens't make sense.. Start over, type slower.. |
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| 05:15.44 | shingouz | @comfort mnsny |
| 05:15.45 | ravenbird | There, there, mnsny. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:16.00 | Mardus | bruce2005: And you have to know which chip or thing runs the video adapter. |
| 05:16.03 | k-man | spdf, yeah, it makes sense to me |
| 05:16.04 | spdf | bruce2005, What kind of intergrated video is it? Intel? |
| 05:16.07 | Seb | k-man: as good as anything else |
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| 05:16.12 | Supaplex | !confuse k-man |
| 05:16.13 | dpkg | Yes, them was their pants tomorrow, k-man? lederhosen of the republic of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 05:16.29 | bruce2005 | spdf: i have amd processor thas all i know |
| 05:16.35 | spdf | k-man, Is any one running dual dual-core? |
| 05:16.35 | Seb | bleh, anchovies |
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| 05:16.39 | spdf | bruce2005, You're helpless.. :) |
| 05:16.41 | Mardus | bruce2005: How new is this computer? |
| 05:16.45 | spdf | bruce2005, What kind of motherboard.. |
| 05:17.00 | shingouz | bruce2005: do you have any idea what you run there? or any clue what you are doing? |
| 05:17.11 | bruce2005 | no idea |
| 05:17.11 | Defty | k-man: i think it also depends on whose dual core cpus they are |
| 05:17.16 | bruce2005 | one yr old comp |
| 05:17.18 | spdf | bruce2005, Well. Umm. Do you know what kind of agp chipset? |
| 05:17.19 | Seb | bruce2005: type that ina a terminal: "lspci | G VGA" |
| 05:17.21 | spdf | bruce2005, Anything about your computer? |
| 05:17.25 | Seb | bruce2005: and paste us what it returns |
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| 05:17.26 | k-man | Defty, oh, ok |
| 05:17.30 | k-man | if they are AMDs? |
| 05:17.57 | Seb | shingouz: is it like the end of the day for your timezone ? :> |
| 05:18.08 | shingouz | bruce2005: nice information. you probably get carparts by going to the local pepboys and ask for parts for a "blue car" and expect the correct parts to materialize |
| 05:18.11 | Mardus | Seb: 08:18, Monday. |
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| 05:18.27 | Mardus | shingouz: huge LOL |
| 05:18.28 | shingouz | Seb: i am not sure, he might be in some universe with only one day |
| 05:18.36 | Defty | amd is better at this time from what I can tell and that isn't much |
| 05:18.46 | shingouz | bruce2005: paste in #flood not here |
| 05:18.46 | Defty | but not with debian necessarily :> |
| 05:18.51 | Defty | ( k-man ) |
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| 05:18.59 | Seb | shingouz: should only be one line ;) |
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| 05:19.20 | shingouz | Seb: never underestimate the "power" of the lusers |
| 05:19.23 | k-man | ok, thanks Defty |
| 05:19.25 | Seb | shingouz: true dat |
| 05:19.26 | shingouz | s/lusers/users |
| 05:19.27 | shingouz | ;) |
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| 05:19.39 | jbmigel | mosty thanks you were right i easily found "USB keyboard support >>>disabled<<<" in my bios setting... it works great with grub now! |
| 05:19.53 | Mardus | jbmigel: conga rats |
| 05:19.55 | bruce2005 | i cant really find out caus i have microsoft windows running, guess should call the company |
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| 05:20.10 | shingouz | bruce2005: do you even know which company to call... |
| 05:20.21 | spdf | bruce2005, You could save the trouble, and just boot into linux and do the lspci.. |
| 05:20.31 | Seb | yeah, like I said... |
| 05:20.33 | bruce2005 | shingouz: no which company should i call? |
| 05:20.37 | bruce2005 | lol |
| 05:20.41 | mwilson | Oh, yippee... Knoppix 3.9 |
| 05:20.44 | Mardus | bruce2005: Which company you were thinking of calling? |
| 05:20.48 | mwilson | Missed that wonderful announcement. |
| 05:20.56 | user01_ | gwgweg |
| 05:21.02 | shingouz | bruce2005: in case you havent noticed even windows is capable of telling you some information about the hardware unless things have changed since 3.11 |
| 05:21.10 | yhg | is it possible to set up software suspend to disk without messing with kernel patches and recompilation? |
| 05:21.19 | pipeline | Not practically, no. |
| 05:21.25 | jbmigel | shingouz no nothing has changed since 3.11 |
| 05:21.49 | shingouz | jbmigel: except it has more bsods these days and takes a hell of a lot more cpu to achieve that |
| 05:21.54 | Mardus | shingouz: Well, something has. But I guess it was jbmigel sans </sarcasm> |
| 05:21.59 | user01_ | hhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 05:22.08 | user01_ | hhhhhhhheeeeeeeelllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:22.09 | sussudio | user01_: die? |
| 05:22.09 | mosty | jbmigel, enjoy |
| 05:22.16 | Seb | !comfort user01_ |
| 05:22.17 | dpkg | There, there, user01_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:22.19 | shingouz | sussudio: nice one :) |
| 05:22.27 | user01_ | fuck |
| 05:22.43 | Mardus | bruce2005: On Micro½$oft Windows desktop, click on the desktop with your right mouse button, click Properties. Click the Settings tab. Under the monitors, there is the monitor "make, model on video card make, model". I assume you are using a dual-boot option with Linux, if you have it. |
| 05:23.05 | Seb | Mardus: you could do phone tech support, do you know that ? :> |
| 05:23.16 | shingouz | he sure could |
| 05:23.19 | Seb | heheh |
| 05:23.24 | Mardus | Seb: Thanks :) |
| 05:23.31 | shingouz | he is actually patient too |
| 05:23.31 | Seb | that patience thing I sure as hell don't have :> |
| 05:23.42 | shingouz | patience? wtf is that? |
| 05:23.50 | jbmigel | Mardus also you can right-click on my computer, select PROPERTIES then find HARDWARE MONITOR. it will have oodles of info all over your hardware |
| 05:24.06 | Mardus | jbmigel: You can't do that on my hardware. |
| 05:24.11 | Seb | jbmigel: dude, more info is not necessarly what lusers need ;) |
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| 05:24.35 | jbmigel | Mardus sorry i meant that for bruce2005 and his windows machine |
| 05:24.42 | shingouz | Mardus: hyppelaud seemed to have a few openings for helldesk yesterday.... |
| 05:24.52 | Mardus | bruce2005: If the text didn't show well, then "On Microsoft Windows, click on the desktop..." |
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| 05:25.10 | Seb | bruce2005 is all silent now |
| 05:25.12 | mnsny | YJRJKUK |
| 05:25.12 | Seb | life is good |
| 05:25.13 | Mardus | shingouz: I haven't checked... |
| 05:25.19 | mnsny | YES |
| 05:25.20 | shingouz | s/Microsoft/Microshit |
| 05:25.35 | Mardus | shingouz: But thanks for telling. helldesk, right? |
| 05:25.49 | bruce2005 | oh, i have plug and play monitor on VIA/S3g unichrome IGP |
| 05:25.52 | shingouz | yea, i think there were a few of them |
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| 05:26.07 | Defty | shingouz: maybe 'macroshit' to appreciate the size of it |
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| 05:26.11 | shingouz | ..not that i grok estonian |
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| 05:26.17 | shingouz | Defty: :) |
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| 05:26.23 | illume | hey |
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| 05:26.28 | illume | anyone used GFS? |
| 05:26.34 | shingouz | !hi illume |
| 05:26.35 | dpkg | Many greetings, illume, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 05:26.36 | Seb | Defty: nah, 'macro' has a connotation of something cool you can do with Lisp :> |
| 05:26.41 | Mardus | shingouz: There was one for doing helpdesk for Finnish ppl. |
| 05:26.48 | Seb | illume: state your problem, don't survey around |
| 05:26.51 | shingouz | illume: jsut ask your question, dont poll |
| 05:27.03 | Seb | Seb 1 - 0 shingouz |
| 05:27.06 | jbmigel | bruce2005 you should really find out what sort of monitor you _REALLY_ have so you can reference the actually horizontal and vertiical refresh frequencies from manufacturer website. |
| 05:27.15 | shingouz | Mardus: with my finnish and patience? |
| 05:27.16 | illume | I'm wondering if GFS is working ok in debian |
| 05:27.16 | Seb | shingouz: you get a -1 for the typo too :> |
| 05:27.30 | Mardus | shingouz: Oh, that... |
| 05:27.37 | Seb | illume: last chance, do you experience a particular problem with it ? |
| 05:27.51 | Mardus | bruce2005: Anything more precise other than VIA/S3g unichrome IGP: Is it possible that IGP is AGP instead? |
| 05:27.52 | illume | no, I haven't tried it |
| 05:28.06 | rking | ihaveaconfessiontomakeiboughtamicrosoftkeyboardtodayihadnochoiceitwastheonlyonethatwassetupthewayiwantedwhatdoyouexpectmetodobuyoneofthosecrappyL-shapedenterkeymodelsthatisall |
| 05:28.07 | shingouz | Mardus: the biggest thing is that i am not suited for helldesk at all, i lart people, i do not help them |
| 05:28.11 | Seb | illume: are you waiting for something in particular to happen before you do ? |
| 05:28.19 | mnsny | SOORRYY I CAN NOT TO SPEAK ENGLISH |
| 05:28.29 | bruce2005 | Mardus: no its IGP |
| 05:28.32 | illume | Seb: yeah, full moon |
| 05:28.34 | Seb | mnsny: we really really don't mind |
| 05:28.37 | shingouz | mnsny: what language? |
| 05:28.49 | Seb | illume: cool. Wait for that, try it, then come back if you have problems with it. |
| 05:28.59 | illume | ok |
| 05:29.00 | illume | cu |
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| 05:29.03 | Mardus | bruce2005: can you tell the make and model of your monitor? |
| 05:29.04 | TimeKilla | question... i've got this netinst cd burned up and it keeps crashing when its trying to install the base ... basically its telling me it can't find the kernel to install it. I know the kernel is there on the cd cause i can shell and locate it.. i've tried both 2.4 and 2.6. I think the cdrom drive is crashing at that point or something. Its a consistent error... i also got errors on other attempts saying it could not locate the sour |
| 05:29.08 | Seb | unbelieavble |
| 05:29.12 | Seb | !sunday |
| 05:29.12 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 05:29.15 | Seb | sure is |
| 05:29.18 | pekkele | mnsny ehre you re from lamo |
| 05:29.21 | bruce2005 | samsung, syncmaster712N |
| 05:29.26 | Seb | what the fuck was this illume thing about ,seriously ? |
| 05:29.34 | ethics | rking: yeah it sounds buggish as it doesnt happen to all....id bug report it with lsmod/lsusb dmesg and just a description of how |
| 05:29.42 | rking | TimeKilla: isn't there a "verify cd" option somewhere off the main install course? |
| 05:29.56 | TimeKilla | yes it verified the cd without a problem |
| 05:30.02 | rking | ethics: to whom should i report? |
| 05:30.06 | shingouz | mnsny: indonesia? |
| 05:30.07 | trave11er | TimeKilla: if you can start a shell and find it on cd, then you can just try and install it manually |
| 05:30.10 | rking | ethics: sarge? |
| 05:30.26 | rking | TimeKilla: you can start a shell with Alt+F2 |
| 05:30.33 | Seb | rking: is it a kernel thing ? |
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| 05:30.38 | pekkele | mnsny do you want play counter strike with me ???? |
| 05:30.50 | TimeKilla | trave11er: i have no idea how to do that manually.. and won't that screw up the base install routine? |
| 05:30.54 | spdf | Its back. |
| 05:30.58 | TimeKilla | (i'm new to linux, just today) |
| 05:31.01 | shingouz | pekkele: you have a better chance asking in some other language |
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| 05:31.05 | rking | Seb: i think it's a sarge installation thing - it seems that usbhid was modprobe'd at some point during the install, but then when i rebooted after that i lost usb, and it took me a while to figure out why. |
| 05:31.08 | trave11er | TimeKilla: base install should be finished by then |
| 05:31.12 | Seb | well if his CD verified, it should uinstall fine |
| 05:31.15 | trave11er | TimeKilla: something like this: |
| 05:31.19 | shingouz | (wtf is spoken in indonesia in anycase) |
| 05:31.20 | Seb | TimeKilla: yo, try #debian-installer |
| 05:31.22 | jbmigel | TimeKilla welcome to linux! |
| 05:31.22 | pekkele | ooooohohoh here re some 0-days :D |
| 05:31.26 | Seb | TimeKilla: specialists of installing over there |
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| 05:31.30 | pekkele | shingouz: what you mean -.- |
| 05:31.36 | shingouz | pekkele: nothing... |
| 05:31.39 | TimeKilla | thanx jbmigel |
| 05:31.50 | pekkele | shingouz kyl sä jotain tarkotat |
| 05:31.54 | TimeKilla | thanx guys i'll be back |
| 05:31.59 | Mardus | bruce2005: Can you tell if you have a dual-boot option (where if you power on the computer, you have a choice of starting either microsoft windows or Debian Linux)? |
| 05:32.11 | shingouz | !lart pekkele |
| 05:32.20 | TimeKilla | lol, nobody there |
| 05:32.21 | trave11er | TimeKilla: cp /mnt/cdrom/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.27/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686.deb /target/tmp/; chroot /target; mount -t proc proc proc; dpkg -i /tmp/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686.deb |
| 05:32.27 | mnsny | SO IWANT TO CHAT |
| 05:32.32 | Seb | TimeKilla: serious ? |
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| 05:32.35 | bruce2005 | Mardus: no, i'm running linux using vmware |
| 05:32.37 | pekkele | :D |
| 05:32.42 | trave11er | TimeKilla: you might just get lucky :-0 |
| 05:32.47 | trave11er | err, :-) |
| 05:32.54 | shingouz | mnsny: wrong place |
| 05:33.01 | jbmigel | mnsny a/s/l? lmfao |
| 05:33.03 | Seb | TimeKilla: #debian-boot |
| 05:33.08 | Seb | TimeKilla: sorry bout that :) |
| 05:33.17 | trave11er | TimeKilla: that should be done after the base install, of course |
| 05:33.46 | Mardus | shingouz: I haven't experienced hel(p|l)desk yet. If I did helpdesk over a üphone and had to encounter angry and derogatory voices and words and people... I wonder if I'd survive that. |
| 05:33.48 | Seb | trave11er: it's be in everyone's best interest to figure out why the regular install does'nt work |
| 05:33.57 | pekkele | mnsny: #debian-afganistan go there is better for you |
| 05:33.59 | Seb | Mardus: I think you would :> |
| 05:34.05 | trave11er | Seb: he clearly has some hw problems |
| 05:34.11 | Seb | trave11er: how so ? |
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| 05:34.23 | Mardus | trave11er: Who? |
| 05:34.27 | Seb | pekkele: stfu, or spell country names correctly at least |
| 05:34.31 | Seb | Mardus: TimeKilla |
| 05:34.32 | shingouz | Mardus: there are ways to survive it. besides you can always tell them to reboot the box, put them on hold and go have a smoke :) |
| 05:34.37 | trave11er | Seb: well, rc3 images have been verified to work |
| 05:34.37 | TimeKilla | yo? |
| 05:34.48 | shingouz | Mardus: that is what a couple of my friends do when they get annoyed |
| 05:34.56 | Seb | trave11er: you know there's only so much verification |
| 05:35.03 | Seb | trave11er: i mean, it works till someone finds a bug in it |
| 05:35.15 | Mardus | shingouz: I don't smoke. I drink tea, and like liquorice candy. I wonder who invented the "Pepe" name for liqorice candy... |
| 05:35.22 | trave11er | Seb: a bug like missing kernels would have been noticed by now |
| 05:35.24 | shingouz | heh |
| 05:35.24 | Seb | TimeKilla: so any luck in #debian-boot ? |
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| 05:35.34 | Seb | trave11er: it prolly s more refined than that |
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| 05:35.50 | Mardus | bruce2005: Well, I am not sure if I can help you out with you running Linux on vmware... |
| 05:36.20 | bruce2005 | Mardus: okay, thanks anyways |
| 05:36.24 | fbhjr | has anyone ever done a _remote_ net install? is it even possible with some slight help on site? and is there a howto? multiple drives on the remote |
| 05:36.40 | jm_ | fbhjr: trivial if you have access to console |
| 05:36.45 | sep | bruce2005: i imagined vmware had it's own X driver called vmware and that was the X driver you should use |
| 05:36.53 | Mardus | bruce2005: What I can suggest is that your vmware should have a window resolution that's less than the window resolution of your current environment. |
| 05:36.58 | shingouz | fbhjr: a remote chroot should be possible. not something that is recommended though |
| 05:37.04 | sep | bruce2005: i dont run X on my vmwares ususaly only console |
| 05:37.28 | shingouz | oh God, not. now he is going to install vmware and run linux on that.... |
| 05:37.43 | Mardus | shingouz: bruce2005 already does that. |
| 05:37.52 | bruce2005 | lol |
| 05:38.02 | shingouz | Mardus: he does? Gods.. |
| 05:38.14 | trave11er | Seb: *shrug* he can also try businesscard install, then kernels will be pulled in from the net |
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| 05:38.24 | sep | shingouz: i dont see the issue, debian runs fine under vmware |
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| 05:38.35 | bruce2005 | ya it runs perfect |
| 05:38.39 | shingouz | bruce2005: you sure do want to do everythign the hard way... vmware is not for noobs |
| 05:38.40 | fbhjr | hm/win 1 |
| 05:38.44 | sep | shingouz: admitadly i'v never tried vmware on a windows host, but :P |
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| 05:39.08 | shingouz | bruce2005: except for the problems with kde and a few other things |
| 05:39.16 | jm_ | it's pretty much the same - we have a feller here who runs Linux in vmware on his Windows 2000 workstation |
| 05:39.26 | Mardus | bruce2005: You could buy a new/empty hard drive and install Linux on that and specify not to make this hard drive a boot drive and then boot Linux from a diskette. It does take a few minutes, though. |
| 05:39.30 | bruce2005 | i had problems before but found out it wasn't from vmware |
| 05:39.31 | shingouz | jm_ he is not a noob though |
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| 05:39.44 | SDFH_Linux | well i am back up |
| 05:39.53 | SDFH_Linux | after a mess of deleting my home directory |
| 05:39.54 | Mardus | bruce2005: Or if your computer has warranty, then you could buy an external or USB hard drive... |
| 05:40.06 | Seb | SDFH_Linux: always pleasant :> |
| 05:40.09 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, Whoops. |
| 05:40.18 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 05:40.21 | dreammer_ | i'm installed tomcat4.1+kaffe on debian sarge... the test cases work as far as i can tell. i'm not trying to add another program but keep getting http status 404--- the tomcat4 help files say to install your own apps into the /var/lib/tomcat4/webapps... i did that but it doesn't find 'em. Also, i've noticed that the 'examples' are active in /usr/share/tomcat4/server/webapps/ -----any one familiar with what it takes to make tomcat go |
| 05:40.22 | jm_ | shingouz: they (VMware) have decent documentation on their site, and their forums can also be helpful at times |
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| 05:40.34 | Mardus | I've done support for an older guy who just says: "I want my hotmail!" |
| 05:40.36 | SDFH_Linux | i am happy though i only got blackbox and very little stuff on here |
| 05:40.36 | shingouz | ...i....will.....not......ignore...anyone....today....too..many..ignores..already.. /me goes for a smoke |
| 05:40.46 | SDFH_Linux | i skipped the desktop selection on netinstall |
| 05:40.55 | shingouz | jm_ but we have a luser here who does not rtfm |
| 05:41.03 | SDFH_Linux | and man it was much quicker to install debian in that way |
| 05:41.19 | bruce2005 | Mardus: i'm thinking the problem is caus i dont have the latest version of X window |
| 05:41.19 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, I can go from clean slate to bitchx in 6mins :) |
| 05:41.30 | Mardus | bruce2005: No, that's not the problem. |
| 05:41.31 | jm_ | shingouz: heh |
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| 05:41.59 | Seb | dreammer_: well have you tried putting your app in /usr/share/tomcat4/server/webapps/ ? |
| 05:42.02 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 05:42.09 | SDFH_Linux | spdf what you gui you use? |
| 05:42.11 | Mardus | bruce2005: I shouldn't be definite, but I wouldn't see that as a problem. I'd actually check vmware documentation. |
| 05:42.30 | cb_00001 | hi all, I have not been here for a while. Where is Apt? |
| 05:42.35 | Seb | spdf: you meant irssi |
| 05:42.36 | Seb | :> |
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| 05:42.48 | Seb | cb_00001: dpkg now handles this role |
| 05:42.51 | sep | cb_00001: talk to dpkg instead ? |
| 05:42.57 | Seb | cb_00001: apt is now gone, RIP apt |
| 05:42.58 | cb_00001 | thanks |
| 05:43.11 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, flux, and terminal windows.. |
| 05:43.14 | dreammer_ | Seb I have tried |
| 05:43.27 | dma | what does mean those 31_r0 iso images? |
| 05:43.37 | Seb | dreammer_: same result ? |
| 05:43.38 | bruce2005 | Mardus: the msg says ""Your X server does not support resizing and rotating the display. Please update to version 4.3 or greater. You need the X resize and rotate extension version 1.1 or greater to use this feature." |
| 05:43.38 | rking | what's the name for the dialog on installation that says, "Check here for Desktop stuff" ... "Check here for database stuff"... etc? |
| 05:43.42 | dreammer_ | what is baffled me is.... i tried to put a couple of other files in there and it doesn't find them |
| 05:43.52 | Seb | rking: tasksel ? |
| 05:43.52 | rking | i'm trying to write a bug report and not sound too stupid. |
| 05:43.57 | rking | Seb: That's it! |
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| 05:44.04 | Seb | rking: :) |
| 05:44.05 | rking | Seb: thanks |
| 05:44.08 | Mardus | bruce2005: Does that message have a title or does it say anything else beside that? |
| 05:44.09 | Seb | np |
| 05:44.09 | bruce2005 | what is the X resize and rotate extension, how can i get this |
| 05:44.15 | dreammer_ | interesting is .... i took a picture file into the 'examples/images/' subdirectory... and it does then find that |
| 05:44.18 | Mardus | bruce2005: I don't know. |
| 05:44.20 | bruce2005 | Mardus: no |
| 05:44.22 | spdf | bruce2005, And what verison of X are you running? |
| 05:44.22 | jm_ | bruce2005: that's refering to XRandr extension |
| 05:44.28 | Seb | dreammer_: then your pb is about configuring tomcat |
| 05:44.37 | Seb | dreammer_: the deploy.xml or whatever it's called |
| 05:44.43 | bruce2005 | spdf: how do i know what version of X i'm running? |
| 05:44.50 | Seb | dreammer_: try #tomcat, or find help on google or some forums |
| 05:45.04 | Seb | dreammer_: in any case, this cannot possibly be construed as a debian problem |
| 05:45.07 | Seb | :> |
| 05:45.24 | spdf | bruce2005, dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:45.26 | Seb | bruce2005: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:45.32 | Seb | ah well, I lose |
| 05:45.38 | spdf | !winner Seb |
| 05:45.39 | dpkg | Today's winner is MDC! |
| 05:45.46 | Seb | heh |
| 05:45.49 | dreammer_ | Seb -- thanx |
| 05:45.49 | Seb | k, dinner time |
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| 05:46.03 | Seb | have fun with the rest of the SUnday freaks, guys |
| 05:46.04 | Mardus | bruce2005: Probably the version of X (as in X Window System) is not as important as the version of the X server. See what others have advicsed. |
| 05:46.04 | spdf | dreammer_, Where's my thanks.. jeez.. I totally K'd his A on tha tone.. |
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| 05:46.06 | Mardus | * advised |
| 05:46.08 | simonrvn | !weiner Seb |
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| 05:46.42 | Seb | spdf: haha, wdf do you know about tomcat ? :> |
| 05:46.47 | Seb | simonrvn: huh ? :) |
| 05:46.52 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 05:46.57 | Seb | ain't it some kind of sauasge ? |
| 05:46.58 | dreammer_ | spdf -- i missed what you said... scrolling |
| 05:47.13 | spdf | dreammer_, lol, no worries.. |
| 05:47.28 | Seb | dreammer_: he didn't say nothing about your problem, he was just messing wit me :> |
| 05:47.35 | Seb | hmmm, chowmein |
| 05:47.38 | Seb | k see ya guys later |
| 05:47.45 | xinming | hahahahah, Sarge is finally out |
| 05:47.46 | Mardus | I have to do some haltura, so I need to quit the channel. |
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| 05:47.58 | Mardus | What? Sarge is out? |
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| 05:48.10 | spdf | Stir. Stir. Stir. |
| 05:48.32 | jm_ | there ar still 26 bugs left |
| 05:48.33 | Mardus | Checking /. |
| 05:48.35 | jm_ | are even |
| 05:49.07 | mosty | jm_, you can download images now |
| 05:49.28 | jm_ | mosty: you could download them before too |
| 05:49.35 | sep | jm_ assume the release is postponed anoter week ? |
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| 05:49.48 | bruce2005 | aha, i have the 4.1 version for the X |
| 05:49.50 | mosty | jm_, not labelled as 3.1_r0 though...? |
| 05:49.52 | xinming | Marble2: Yes |
| 05:49.58 | bruce2005 | how would i upgrade my X? |
| 05:49.58 | xinming | Mardus: Yes |
| 05:50.19 | xinming | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/ |
| 05:50.21 | spdf | bruce2005, What are you running? Woody or Sarge? |
| 05:50.34 | bruce2005 | spdf: sarge |
| 05:50.49 | Mardus | I thought sarge had 4.3 and woody has 4.1 |
| 05:50.52 | spdf | bruce2005, It should be 4.3 then... |
| 05:51.04 | spdf | bruce2005, You need to change your video driver from vesa to what it hsould be.. first. |
| 05:51.07 | Mardus | bruce2005: Well, that's the version of your X server, which is XFree86 4.1. X itself is at X11R6 (and then another version number) and that is not upgradable. |
| 05:51.20 | jm_ | sep: to be honest, I don't know details, but there were fewer bugs left last week and they haven't released it then - perhaps they have decided that there are only unimportant bugs left, which would make sense (and there was a post from the dude who builds CD images that he'll be staying up all night) |
| 05:51.23 | bruce2005 | what i did was upgrade from woody to sarge today, but i guess my x windows wasn't upgraded!!!! |
| 05:51.25 | tico | hello can anyone tell me what's the command line to pause a download when i use wget |
| 05:51.26 | jm_ | mosty: nope |
| 05:51.39 | Mardus | bruce2005: X or X Window System, not X Windows. |
| 05:51.55 | jm_ | tico: press ctrl-s or ctrl-z and then fg it again, but be careful, your connection might die |
| 05:51.55 | dma | Mardus: haltura? |
| 05:52.06 | lordmyren | whats the sshd package? |
| 05:52.20 | mosty | jm_, earlier today vorlon said those 26 RC bugs no longer refer to sarge |
| 05:52.36 | mosty | tico, ctrl-z ? |
| 05:52.40 | tico | ok |
| 05:52.40 | sep | bruce2005: exactly, upgrade your X and install and run the vmware-tools, it contains the vmware X driver you need |
| 05:52.54 | jm_ | mosty: yes, could well be and would make sense |
| 05:53.07 | bruce2005 | i ran the command dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 and it says i have the xserver-xfree8 4.1.016woody6 |
| 05:53.09 | Mardus | dma: known as sideways job, small ends here and there. Used in Russia, post-soviet areas, and I think in Israel, too. see http://dictionary.com and type in haltura. You'll get a few meaningful results. |
| 05:53.15 | mosty | tico, or just ctrl-c and use wget's resume option to restart later |
| 05:53.32 | Mardus | bruce2005: You ran the command correctly. It only lists the package specified and its version. |
| 05:53.44 | membrive | finally sarge is out? |
| 05:53.45 | tico | ok |
| 05:53.48 | tico | thanx |
| 05:53.56 | spdf | The torrent links for 3.1r0 are 404'n... Tricky Tricky |
| 05:53.58 | Mardus | I haven't seen the "sarge is out" announcement in /. yet. |
| 05:54.01 | sep | membrive: unlikely with 26 bugs left |
| 05:54.02 | bruce2005 | Mardus: so i have the latest version? |
| 05:54.07 | membrive | oh :( |
| 05:54.11 | spdf | bruce2005, it would seem so.. |
| 05:54.17 | membrive | okis sep |
| 05:54.22 | mosty | mardus, last i heard they were going to do that after the mirrors have it |
| 05:54.24 | sep | bruce2005: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade and see what you need to upgrade to be sargeified |
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| 05:54.49 | Mardus | bruce2005: The version you have is that of woody, not sarge. sarge has XFree86 4.3. |
| 05:55.03 | spdf | Thought he said he had Sarge.. |
| 05:55.17 | spdf | 01:50 <bruce2005> spdf: sarge |
| 05:55.24 | Teddy | Get your sarge torrents here: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 05:55.30 | sep | spdf: he probably altered his sources.list but didnt update and upgrade |
| 05:55.35 | sep | or else he would have had a 4.3 |
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| 05:56.10 | sep | bruce2005: for future reference, you save yourself a lot of hassle if you just use sarge netinstall in the future |
| 05:56.12 | SDFH_Linux | hm |
| 05:56.27 | SDFH_Linux | is it me or is ext3 faster than reiserfs? |
| 05:56.30 | Mardus | bruce2005: In terms of woody (Debian 3.0), XFree86 4.1 is the latest, while one can have XFree86 3.3.6 (for older video cards that are PCI, not AGP). The XFree86 version for sarge is 4.3. |
| 05:56.37 | spdf | Mmm... 620k/s torrent... |
| 05:56.48 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: Are you trying out both that you pose such a question? |
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| 05:57.10 | bruce2005 | what happened was i upgraded from woody to sarge and apparently the X wasn't upgraded! |
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| 05:57.45 | sep | bruce2005: then you didnt upgrade properly, did you run both apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 05:58.09 | black13 | i am trying to compile xorg on debian and i keep getting cpp error |
| 05:58.19 | SDFH_Linux | i just noticed i had reiserfs on the previous install |
| 05:58.23 | Mardus | bruce2005: I thought of assuming that it was upgraded, but was not specified to run. |
| 05:58.24 | SDFH_Linux | and it seems ext3 is faster |
| 05:58.28 | SDFH_Linux | or is it me? |
| 05:58.48 | Mardus | SDFH_Linux: I don't know... |
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| 05:58.55 | spdf | black13, http://blogs.vislab.usyd.edu.au/index.php/Steve/2004/09/09/installing_a_non_intrusive_x <-- worked for me under sarge.. |
| 05:59.02 | sep | black13: beside the fact that xorg isnt in debian yet. Without the actual error message we can sit here guessing all day long |
| 05:59.17 | xinming | bt seeds can't be downloaded from image.debian.org But the iso files are working. tricky. :-S |
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| 05:59.31 | bruce2005 | hmmm i think i downloaded everything but didn't run apt-getdis-upgrade, not sure though, but right now i have the sarge dist |
| 05:59.33 | black13 | sep, yep i know i like to live on edge baby |
| 05:59.48 | spdf | xinming, The .se link posted a few screens up is working great.. 620k/s... it'll be done in 20mins or so |
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| 05:59.50 | sep | black13: a wild guess would be installing build-essesntials, but with the limited info you give it may be way wrong also |
| 05:59.54 | Mardus | bruce2005: You have to run apt-get dist-upgrade too |
| 06:01.09 | xinming | spdf: Yes, Of course. I will prepare the download. and go sleep. :-) |
| 06:01.56 | Mardus | I have to go anyway. |
| 06:02.05 | Mardus | Bye and have a nice day. |
| 06:02.05 | bruce2005 | damn, i got an error running apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 06:02.31 | Mardus | bruce2005: You have to type the eroror in here. Probably an issue with not being a superuser. |
| 06:02.41 | jasoncohen | where do recently autobuilt packages go before entering unstable/ |
| 06:02.46 | bruce2005 | Mardus: thanks |
| 06:03.07 | bob2 | jasoncohen: http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 06:03.08 | Mardus | bruce2005: If the error referred to user rights at all. |
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| 06:03.15 | jasoncohen | bob2, thanks |
| 06:03.28 | Xinux | does anybody know how to install Utah-GLX drivers? |
| 06:03.31 | jasoncohen | bob2, how long does it stay there before going into unstable? |
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| 06:03.39 | bruce2005 | no i'm already in the SU |
| 06:03.43 | bob2 | jasoncohen: until katie runs at like 1900 texas time |
| 06:03.51 | bob2 | jasoncohen: ie less than 24 hours |
| 06:03.55 | Xinux | anybody know how to install Utah-GLX drivers?! |
| 06:03.57 | bob2 | I forget the exact time |
| 06:03.58 | bob2 | Xinux: why? |
| 06:04.11 | Xinux | bob2: for my video drivers... |
| 06:04.18 | bob2 | Xinux: why do you want utah-glx? |
| 06:04.22 | bob2 | isn't that for X3 only? |
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| 06:04.40 | Xinux | huh? |
| 06:04.42 | deadcat | bob2: have you tried xorg+vga out+clone on the ibook to an external mon? |
| 06:04.47 | sep | bruce2005: well if you want help you need to state your error messages, saying you got 'an error' is just not informative enoughf. |
| 06:04.47 | jm_ | !+katie |
| 06:04.47 | dpkg | i guess katie is who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7 |
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| 06:04.54 | bob2 | deadcat: yes |
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| 06:05.04 | deadcat | bob2: can i see the xorg.conf? |
| 06:05.05 | Xinux | bob2: it's the only graphic driver that supports my card. |
| 06:05.08 | bob2 | Xinux: I'm pretty sure utah-glx is entirely useless |
| 06:05.11 | bob2 | Xinux: what card? |
| 06:05.21 | Xinux | bob2: ATI Rage 128 PRO |
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| 06:05.36 | black13 | sep, what is the highest stable version of gcc that can be installed |
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| 06:06.06 | kimo_sabe | Xinux: current X/DRI supports Rage 128's just fine, and has for a long while |
| 06:06.25 | bruce2005 | sep: the error is "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/flex_2.5.31-31_i386.deb E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 06:06.25 | Xinux | kimo_sabe: i'm on DRI, and it's really really fucked up. |
| 06:06.54 | kimo_sabe | Xinux: how so? |
| 06:06.56 | sep | bruce2005: look further up, there aren't a more descriptive error ? |
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| 06:07.09 | Xinux | kimo_sabe: it has display errors... |
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| 06:07.30 | bruce2005 | sep: no that was all, the rest is unpacking and stuff |
| 06:07.46 | sep | black13: i have no idea, you can find out at packages.debian.org, and i'd think it was more important to have a consistent gcc then the latest. |
| 06:07.46 | Xinux | kimo_sabe: it did mention something about my 2.4 kernel being modified |
| 06:08.01 | Overand | hehe |
| 06:08.03 | Overand | xinux |
| 06:08.04 | bruce2005 | sep: maybe i should go through the woody to sarge procedure again, i think that'll fix it |
| 06:08.04 | Overand | XENIX |
| 06:08.18 | Xinux | wtf. |
| 06:08.23 | sep | bruce2005: there is a procedure ? :) |
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| 06:08.30 | Xinux | uh no Overand... |
| 06:08.33 | bruce2005 | sep: i mean a few lines |
| 06:08.45 | bruce2005 | i forgot what they were |
| 06:08.55 | Xinux | anybody willing to help me with DRI :( |
| 06:08.59 | sep | i't just to early for this. |
| 06:09.10 | Xinux | i'm wide awake |
| 06:09.14 | Xinux | ready to fix this problem |
| 06:09.54 | bruce2005 | anyone knows the instructions for upgrading from woody to sarge |
| 06:10.04 | Xinux | so nobody here to help me |
| 06:10.05 | Xinux | figures. |
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| 06:10.34 | sep | !tell bruce2005 about woody->sarge |
| 06:10.36 | simu | hi, when is sarge going to be released? |
| 06:10.37 | black13 | sep, i am just toying around |
| 06:10.55 | simonrvn | simu: read the /topic |
| 06:11.20 | sep | Xinux: i cant see youv actualy asked a proper question, i never used X3 myself |
| 06:11.36 | Xinux | sep: I need to get my DRI drivers working. |
| 06:11.41 | sep | simu: when the RC count is at 0 and it's currently at 26 |
| 06:12.17 | simu | is today realistic? |
| 06:12.40 | Xinux | nope its fake |
| 06:12.45 | jbmigel | Xinux have you seen this? http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 06:12.48 | sep | simu: no not until RC count is 0 |
| 06:12.56 | Xinux | LOLLERPOPS |
| 06:13.02 | Xinux | fglrx doesn't work |
| 06:13.12 | jazzmans | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.14 | Xinux | trust me, already tried it |
| 06:13.20 | simu | sep: can you post the link to these counts? |
| 06:13.21 | Xinux | it doesn't support the Rage 128 series |
| 06:13.41 | sep | !release-critical |
| 06:13.42 | dpkg | release-critical is, like, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 06:13.45 | jbmigel | Xinux: oh then it should be built into xfree no? |
| 06:14.27 | Xinux | lollerpops again |
| 06:14.31 | Xinux | nope |
| 06:14.46 | Xinux | DRI // Utah-GLX support the Rage 128 series. |
| 06:15.05 | Overand | Xinux: it was a joke |
| 06:15.13 | Overand | i assume, given your nick, that you've heard of xenix? |
| 06:15.27 | deadcat | can i dd a dvd? |
| 06:15.29 | Xinux | ugh, my nick== not based on xenix |
| 06:15.39 | sep | jazzmans: when you insert the usbreader you should get a message in dmsg saying what deviec it gets, mine say sda then it's a matter of mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 06:15.47 | simu | dpkg: thanx for the link |
| 06:15.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, for the link! You've just made the life of your keyboard one keystroke longer! |
| 06:15.49 | Xinux | but yes, i've heard of xenix... |
| 06:15.58 | Xinux | i heard xenix was complete crap |
| 06:16.14 | jm_ | deadcat: what kind of dvd? |
| 06:16.20 | richie086 | dont u love that when u swear someones nick is based on something then you come to find out its not at all :) |
| 06:16.32 | mwilson | !u |
| 06:16.33 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:16.33 | deadcat | jm_: movie dvd |
| 06:16.37 | jm_ | deadcat: no |
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| 06:17.02 | deadcat | jm_: doh. |
| 06:17.05 | jbmigel | mwilson: thx u jrk |
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| 06:17.53 | jm_ | deadcat: vobcopy should help, or other tools for this (you can find plenty on freshmeat) |
| 06:17.55 | Xinux | don't you hate it when something doesn't work and the documentation is VERY misleading... |
| 06:18.21 | Xinux | then there is nobody else to help you, and the #dri support channel have 17 inactive people in it |
| 06:18.22 | deadcat | jm_: cool (= |
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| 06:18.35 | Defty | it's mostly a good thing, since then you can skip reading the manual |
| 06:18.35 | Xinux | 14 inactive people in #dri* |
| 06:18.48 | Xinux | lol |
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| 06:18.56 | Xinux | but then there is nobody that prolly has experience with DRI |
| 06:19.13 | sep | ahh dont you love it when you never need X and only use console and dont have to mess with the whole grafical issue :) |
| 06:19.27 | Xinux | then you can't play games |
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| 06:20.22 | sep | Xinux: on an ati rage 128.. is it realy worth it ? what game are you trying to run ? |
| 06:20.22 | sushimako | what's the time? it's time to get ill |
| 06:20.36 | sushimako | *swing* |
| 06:20.38 | Defty | sometimes it's nice to calm down with a fullscreen text mode and imagine you're running a single tasking OS, so when you start compiling the kernel you'll be able to just sit back and relax |
| 06:20.45 | Xinux | sep: it is worth it, if i don't install drivers every game I play runs SLOWLY |
| 06:20.53 | Xinux | sep: so slow it makes it un-playable |
| 06:20.53 | sep | Defty: lol :) |
| 06:21.05 | kimo_sabe | Xinux: it's a Rage128, you're there already |
| 06:21.14 | Xinux | wtf |
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| 06:21.21 | Xinux | no it never did that in Windows. |
| 06:21.45 | Xinux | Rage 128 isn't slow at all anyways. |
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| 06:22.35 | Xinux | how about |
| 06:22.48 | Xinux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:24.00 | sushimako | how many people survived askin for sarge release time yet? |
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| 06:25.31 | Steven__ | look at topic :) |
| 06:25.32 | bruce2005 | OH MY GOD, i'm crying , starting up linux and all there is on screen is "LI" |
| 06:25.37 | asuffield | none. they all burned |
| 06:25.51 | bruce2005 | it doesn't even load yet ;( |
| 06:25.52 | Xinux | LINUX IS BEGINNING TO SUCK |
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| 06:26.06 | black13 | problems with the bootloader |
| 06:26.11 | Steven__ | Xinux : bye :) |
| 06:26.13 | kimo_sabe | Xinux: good riddance |
| 06:26.32 | Xinux | linux = too many hardware compatibility issues |
| 06:26.39 | black13 | bruce2005, you bootloader is fried you need to fix the master boot record |
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| 06:26.56 | jbmigel | Xinux: man just stfu and go back to windows if its all you can work |
| 06:27.08 | Steven__ | Xinux : we know all that :) just go back to windows, we won't complain |
| 06:27.11 | Xinux | jbmigel: wtf, you ass, it's driver problems |
| 06:27.20 | danzillo | sushimako: i was thinking about the right time zone ... |
| 06:27.30 | Defty | Xinux: you need to realize you don't need the hardware |
| 06:27.33 | bruce2005 | i'm runnin linux on vmware, how do i fix the bootloader ;( |
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| 06:27.49 | Xinux | bruce2005: reinstall GRUB ? |
| 06:27.55 | yarddog | bruce2005: use a boot disk |
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| 06:28.03 | bruce2005 | i dont have floppy |
| 06:28.05 | black13 | bruce2005, inside the vm or outside the vm? |
| 06:28.07 | sep | bruce2005: boot your vmware on your rescue floppy, then convert from lilo to grub |
| 06:28.15 | jm_ | vmware can simulate a floppy using image files |
| 06:28.19 | Steven__ | bruce2005 : you can use a floppy image |
| 06:28.28 | bruce2005 | i dont have floppy drive |
| 06:28.37 | jm_ | you don't need it |
| 06:28.37 | Xinux | lol. |
| 06:29.00 | bruce2005 | k |
| 06:29.00 | TimeKilla | wow.. for all those that attempted to assit me.. thank you... I seem to have resolved the issue.. either my cdrom drive is a piece of sheet.. or the cd's were weak.... the 12th time i managed to get it to install the kernel. |
| 06:29.11 | TimeKilla | I can hardly wait till i no longer require the cd |
| 06:29.15 | sushimako | danzillo: whose timezone is important for the release, then? |
| 06:29.24 | Steven__ | Xinux : do you know how to program ? |
| 06:29.27 | sep | bruce2005: maybe you should just get a sarge netisntall iso, i think it will be easier for you |
| 06:29.33 | sep | bruce2005: very much easier |
| 06:29.36 | sep | !d-i |
| 06:29.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 06:29.38 | Xinux | Steven__: Yes, in a few languages. |
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| 06:29.47 | Steven__ | Xinux : how about C ? |
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| 06:30.02 | Xinux | Steven__: I only know web-app languages. |
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| 06:30.27 | Xinux | Steven__: I will learn C; once I get my problems resolved. |
| 06:30.29 | Steven__ | Xinux : maybe you should learn C as well, and help out improving DRI support, if thats what you are having trouble with |
| 06:30.45 | Xinux | Steven__: I know my problem with DRI. |
| 06:30.50 | vsquared | Xinux, what card are you having trouble with? |
| 06:31.03 | Xinux | vsquared: ATI Rage 128 PRO |
| 06:31.08 | bruce2005 | FUCK |
| 06:31.14 | vsquared | Xinux, that should be easy though |
| 06:31.23 | sushimako | Xinux 10 bucks, if you write DRI patches in html |
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| 06:31.41 | Xinux | sushimako: HTML = sux |
| 06:31.53 | Xinux | sushimako: i use PHP // CSS |
| 06:31.54 | Steven__ | Xinux : make it better then |
| 06:32.03 | directhex | why bother with dri on that? they were utterly useless, with ati's own drivers, 7 years ago when they were released |
| 06:32.15 | lordmyren | what are the tv watching programs for linux? |
| 06:32.19 | danzillo | sushimako: not mine : i have sarge since woody and potato and my last hangover |
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| 06:32.29 | spdf | php, css, and xml here.. very handy, and powerful... |
| 06:32.30 | directhex | lordmyren, i prefer tvtime or zapping |
| 06:32.34 | Steven__ | lordmyren : there's xawtv |
| 06:32.47 | TimeKilla | lilo or grub guys, i'm just installing for the first time and this is my first linux experience.. ? Suggest. (my system is a p233 with 64mb ram, no other os on it) |
| 06:32.49 | Xinux | vsquared: it was easy, until it came to some kernel problem, it said I modified it, but i didnd't |
| 06:32.52 | lordmyren | thanks! |
| 06:33.07 | jetscreamer | grub is the new debian default |
| 06:33.08 | sep | TimeKilla: grub |
| 06:33.11 | jetscreamer | i prefer lilo |
| 06:33.13 | bruce2005 | starting all over sweeeet |
| 06:33.15 | jetscreamer | up2u |
| 06:33.16 | spdf | TimeKilla, Personally, I'd go with lilo... but grub is the default |
| 06:33.25 | sushimako | Xinux u lie!!1 |
| 06:33.31 | sushimako | the kernel is always right |
| 06:33.42 | vsquared | Xinux, I'd like to help, but I wasn't paying attention before about 2 minutes ago... if everyone has already triend and you've given up, then okay |
| 06:33.43 | Xinux | sushimako: i never modified the kernel |
| 06:33.46 | Defty | Xinux: it said you modified what? if you install a foregin module to it you will taint to kernel |
| 06:33.51 | jetscreamer | hope that's not a woody install |
| 06:33.53 | vsquared | Xinux, but I know its not that difficult |
| 06:33.55 | spdf | In Soviet Russia, The kernel modifies you. ;) |
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| 06:34.00 | jetscreamer | but i guess not with grub as an option |
| 06:34.03 | vsquared | Xinux, with modules in standard debian kernels |
| 06:34.15 | sushimako | spdf lol :) |
| 06:34.16 | vsquared | Xinux, I even have an X800 at work working at very good speed |
| 06:34.31 | Xinux | vsquared: THATS BECAUSE ITS A BRAND NEW CARD |
| 06:34.37 | jbmigel | Xinux about your display troubles, rage 128 is supported by xfree > 3.3.6 so you should be ok, just put ATI as driver when asked after "dpkg-reconfigure xfree-xserver" |
| 06:34.49 | vsquared | Xinux, no, newer ATI cards are traditionally harder, old ati was great |
| 06:34.54 | spdf | vsquared, lol, a Rage 128 and an X800 are completely different things.. |
| 06:34.57 | sep | and answer yes to the write dri config |
| 06:34.57 | Steven__ | Xinux : stop whining, and fix the problem |
| 06:35.09 | TimeKilla | ok i picked lilo |
| 06:35.11 | Xinux | Steven__: i would if i knew how |
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| 06:35.14 | yarddog | rage is an old card |
| 06:35.22 | Steven__ | Xinux : if there is no kernel support, then go and complain to ati |
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| 06:35.35 | Steven__ | Xinux : instead ofcomplaining then, learn C and fix the driver yourself |
| 06:35.55 | Steven__ | Xinux : I'm sick of people like you, expecting that someone else cleans up their shit |
| 06:35.59 | vsquared | Xinux, I meant that old ati was easy, and new ati was hard... I know, not exactly relevant |
| 06:36.00 | spdf | Xinux, http://www.linuxhelp.ca/guides/atirage/ |
| 06:36.06 | kimo_sabe | Xinux: or better yet, describe your problem better than vauge complaining |
| 06:36.20 | lordmyren | any sugestions for PVR stuff? |
| 06:36.27 | Xinux | Steven__: I CAN BARELY USE MY COMPUTER THE DISPLAY IS SO F**KED UP AND STOP FLAMING ME |
| 06:36.31 | sep | lordmyren: freevo or mythtv |
| 06:36.43 | directhex | lordmyren, there's mythtv, but it's VERY awkward to set up, especially if you're not in the usa |
| 06:36.46 | yarddog | Xinux: join #ati |
| 06:36.50 | vsquared | Xinux, hint, everyone here has gotten this working before... I'm sure you have a problem, and I'm sure its irritating, but its not the driver |
| 06:36.53 | danzillo | rage is ok : runs ok for me here |
| 06:36.57 | Steven__ | Xinux : ok, exponential backoff time :) |
| 06:36.57 | yarddog | Xinux: read topic there |
| 06:37.10 | Steven__ | Xinux : youcan probably use a vesa driver |
| 06:37.22 | sep | lordmyren: mythtv is very large, you can have multiple boxes with multiple grabbercards, freevo is rather easy but you have to edit a few textfiles |
| 06:37.22 | lordmyren | im thinking i'll bite the mythtv bllet |
| 06:37.23 | Steven__ | Xinux : or look around with google for people with similar problems |
| 06:37.42 | lordmyren | can you have one box with multiple grabbers? |
| 06:37.46 | Xinux | i doubt anybody has a 2.4 kernel modified error |
| 06:37.51 | Steven__ | Xinux : booting the latest knoppix might also help,since it automagically finds and configures all drivers correctly |
| 06:37.53 | directhex | lordmyren, with mythtv, yes. |
| 06:38.05 | TimeKilla | wow i feel like i'm reading an ancient text or something... so much to learn.. this is amazing |
| 06:38.13 | sep | lordmyren: you have have several backends, and each backend can have several cards , and you can also have several frontends |
| 06:38.15 | TimeKilla | time to collect dust on my windows |
| 06:38.22 | kimo_sabe | Xinux: somebody has hit that error, it's hardly a secret message |
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| 06:38.29 | sep | lordmyren: backends grav tv frontend displays |
| 06:38.51 | directhex | iirc, freevo can't do timeshifting, since the python backend won';t allow simultanreous recording and watching of the same stream. or something like that. |
| 06:38.53 | sep | lordmyren: you could compare it with a hotel tv system where all frontends can watch the channel they desire, |
| 06:39.13 | lordmyren | sep: righto, awsome. |
| 06:39.20 | Xinux | boy the headache |
| 06:39.41 | lordmyren | oooh man, timeshifting is #1. |
| 06:40.41 | vsquared | wtf is a kernel modifier error? |
| 06:41.05 | vsquared | oh, kernel modified error |
| 06:41.27 | vsquared | like that makes it make more sense |
| 06:41.36 | lordmyren | wow, i nearly forgot to install screen |
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| 06:43.06 | Xinux | E: Package xserver-fbdev has no installation candidate |
| 06:43.07 | Xinux | ut ot |
| 06:43.13 | Xinux | obsolete package |
| 06:43.27 | jetscreamer | that's not how you get framebugger |
| 06:43.32 | jetscreamer | buffer even |
| 06:44.06 | Steven__ | try xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 06:44.11 | jbmigel | Xinux are you running sarge? what modifications did you do? have you installed xorg from ubuntu or something? |
| 06:44.22 | sep | Xinux: have you tried both the ati driver and the r128 driver ? |
| 06:44.22 | Xinux | i have Xorg |
| 06:44.28 | Xinux | huh? |
| 06:44.31 | jbmigel | Xinux where did you get it? |
| 06:44.33 | TimeKilla | hey guys, just wondering (i'm new to this stuff), what is apt>? |
| 06:44.44 | Xinux | r128 driver |
| 06:44.45 | yarddog | lol |
| 06:44.51 | Xinux | no clue |
| 06:44.52 | bob2 | TimeKilla: a package management tool |
| 06:45.05 | TimeKilla | ahhh. |
| 06:45.06 | Teddy | TimeKilla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool |
| 06:45.11 | yarddog | Xorg does not come with sarge |
| 06:45.15 | yarddog | hah |
| 06:45.17 | sep | Xinux: well since it's the driver to your card i naturaly you assumed youd tried running those 2 |
| 06:45.18 | TimeKilla | whats better ftp or http for updates? |
| 06:45.40 | directhex | TimeKilla, doesn't matter per se |
| 06:45.41 | sep | TimeKilla: depends on what your local mirror acts like. |
| 06:45.42 | Xinux | sep: i have no clue what i'm doing |
| 06:45.48 | Steven__ | I prefer http, because I'm behind a webcache :) |
| 06:45.50 | sep | Xinux: we know |
| 06:45.52 | Xinux | sep: i've just been taking random attacks at getting drivers |
| 06:46.09 | directhex | Xinux, what debian distribution are you runnning? debian does not have xorg at all |
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| 06:46.22 | Xinux | does that matter? |
| 06:46.30 | vsquared | Xinux, there shouldn't be any "getting" of drivers, they're already there |
| 06:46.33 | yarddog | YES |
| 06:46.45 | Xinux | vsquared: no they weren't there... |
| 06:46.54 | vsquared | Xinux, all you should be doing is editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 06:47.00 | vsquared | or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:47.02 | Nigel | directhex: debian vith b/p's, but who really cares about them |
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| 06:47.22 | Xinux | vsquared: i need to get XF86 working again tho |
| 06:47.25 | azar | ge |
| 06:47.55 | vsquared | Xinux, find /lib/modules -name 'r128*' |
| 06:47.59 | TimeKilla | right on ... i'm lovin it ;) |
| 06:48.01 | vsquared | Xinux, they're there |
| 06:48.14 | vsquared | Xinux, if you haven't compiled your own kernel |
| 06:48.23 | Xinux | /lib/modules/2.4.29/kernel/drivers/char/drm/r128.o |
| 06:48.23 | Xinux | /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/char/drm/r128.ko |
| 06:48.36 | vsquared | Xinux, don't paste, and I'd say they were there |
| 06:48.50 | Xinux | so how do I just use those drivers? |
| 06:48.52 | vsquared | Xinux, those are the drm rage 128 drivers |
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| 06:49.02 | TimeKilla | the freedom .. the power... yeee haaa.. windows and linux beside each other.. in perfect harmony (i can hardly wait to learn to network them (if possible)) |
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| 06:49.42 | sep | Xinux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose r128 as the driver also say yes when it asks about dri |
| 06:49.55 | jetscreamer | !say there is no samba |
| 06:49.56 | dpkg | there is no samba |
| 06:49.56 | vsquared | Xinux, change the "Driver" option in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to "r128" |
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| 06:50.06 | Xinux | vsquared: hold on |
| 06:50.09 | Xinux | i love you all, thanks |
| 06:50.25 | Xinux | not in a gay way lol |
| 06:50.27 | jetscreamer | don't hand edit it unless you intend to always hand edit it |
| 06:50.29 | jbmigel | !prize vsquared |
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| 06:50.50 | [bathat] | hello, i've asked this question here before and was referred to #GNOME but now a user in this channel believes it to be a bug |
| 06:50.51 | vsquared | which actually refers to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so, but that's irrelevant |
| 06:50.56 | [bathat] | it regards gnome-session-sav |
| 06:50.57 | [bathat] | ee |
| 06:51.02 | Teddy | jetscreamer: debconf is not a registry |
| 06:51.05 | [bathat] | and it displaying dialogs |
| 06:51.13 | Xinux | sep: it's asking for the driver name, but r128 isn't on the list |
| 06:51.15 | sep | !tell [bathat] about enter |
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| 06:51.41 | [bathat] | well, it should only display dialogs when the --gui flag is used |
| 06:51.48 | jetscreamer | !confuse Teddy |
| 06:51.49 | dpkg | Yes, what is my mushroom yesterday, Teddy? trousers of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 06:52.04 | richie086 | LOL |
| 06:52.04 | Xinux | sep: "Select the desired X server driver," what should I choose? |
| 06:52.09 | richie086 | i love spam email... |
| 06:52.36 | richie086 | !confuse dpkg |
| 06:52.36 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.37 | dpkg | No, who is their hamster today, dpkg? shirts of the people's republic of tibet with extra cheese |
| 06:52.50 | spdf | Xinux, Select anything, then edit /etc/X11/XF86Config yourself and change whatever you picked to r128 |
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| 06:52.52 | [bathat] | i just wanted to see is this is a bug in gnome-session-save. |
| 06:53.11 | Nigel | [bathat]: bugs.debian.org |
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| 06:53.23 | [bathat] | thanks Nigel |
| 06:53.25 | Xinux | sep: it's asking for the BusID, and I don't know it... |
| 06:53.25 | pusling | which gnome version is in sarge ? (and will sarge be out today?) |
| 06:53.31 | jetscreamer | leave it blank |
| 06:53.32 | sep | Xinux: leave it blank |
| 06:53.43 | jbmigel | Xinux you dont need busid if only 1 video card |
| 06:53.45 | sep | Xinux: only usefull if you have 2 or more grafic cards |
| 06:53.45 | vsquared | why isn't r128 an option... that's interesting |
| 06:53.49 | jetscreamer | sarge has died, grunt killed him |
| 06:53.57 | spdf | pusling, 3.1r0's is being passed around the mirrors now.. |
| 06:53.58 | Xinux | wat is 32mb in kilobytes? |
| 06:54.07 | Xinux | 3024kb ? |
| 06:54.08 | jetscreamer | you can leave that blank too |
| 06:54.10 | sussudio | 32768 |
| 06:54.13 | sep | vsquared: i'd say that's a bug. the r128 driver is certainly there |
| 06:54.14 | pusling | spdf: cool! |
| 06:54.22 | Xinux | 32768kb |
| 06:54.31 | sep | Xinux: leave that blank also |
| 06:54.31 | jetscreamer | don't put kb if you put it |
| 06:54.36 | spdf | sep, there's a radeon driver too, its not in the list either.. some of them aren't there.. |
| 06:54.53 | directhex | r128 isn't neccessary. "ati" automatically selects "radeon", "mach64" or "r128" as required |
| 06:55.04 | jetscreamer | drxx needs a back button |
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| 06:55.07 | brosio | i want to enable powernowd which module should i load ? |
| 06:55.15 | sep | directhex seriously ? cool :) |
| 06:55.18 | directhex | brosio, what CPU? |
| 06:55.29 | brosio | directhex, amd64 |
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| 06:55.48 | directhex | brosio, powernow-k8 |
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| 06:55.55 | Xinux | ubbb |
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| 06:56.02 | directhex | brosio, and a scheduler module, hang on i'll get the name |
| 06:56.04 | vsquared | directhex, ooooh, okay, I was wondering about that |
| 06:56.15 | Xinux | sep: it is asking for a monitor identifier |
| 06:56.21 | Xinux | sep: and it won't let me leave it blank |
| 06:56.22 | sep | Xinux: leave it at the default |
| 06:56.26 | luminerd | anyone have experience getting wacom to work? |
| 06:56.29 | brosio | directhex, i try now thx |
| 06:56.29 | Xinux | sep: it's blank, no default |
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| 06:56.31 | sep | Xinux: or just type the name of your monitor |
| 06:56.36 | vsquared | Xinux, you should basically be able to hit enter a lot |
| 06:56.42 | Xinux | sep: i have no clue wat the exact model is |
| 06:56.47 | vsquared | Xinux, and have everything be okay |
| 06:56.55 | directhex | brosio, cpufreq-userspace |
| 06:56.59 | vsquared | Xinux, except for selecting the monitor resolutions |
| 06:57.01 | sep | Xinux: it's just a name you can call it 'myfartingmonitor' if you like |
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| 06:57.26 | luminerd | no wacom users here? |
| 06:57.31 | spdf | Sep, yours farts too 'eh? |
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| 06:57.45 | sep | spdf: constantly it's a major anoyance |
| 06:58.03 | Xinux | sep: I can't choose 32 bite |
| 06:58.06 | Xinux | sep: bit* |
| 06:58.10 | spdf | Xinux, Choose 24.. |
| 06:58.14 | Xinux | aight |
| 06:58.16 | sep | Xinux: your card dont support that |
| 06:58.16 | spdf | Xinux, 32 is 24 with padding.. |
| 06:58.22 | Xinux | ahh |
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| 06:58.33 | jetscreamer | there is no 32 |
| 06:58.37 | directhex | brosio, that pair of modules should work on old newcastle, clawhammer or winchester chips. it won't work on my venice, and i doubt it works on san diego either |
| 06:58.40 | jetscreamer | 32 died |
| 06:58.41 | directhex | there is a spoon though |
| 06:58.44 | Xinux | w000t |
| 06:58.45 | directhex | can you have 32 spoons? |
| 06:58.47 | Xinux | its all done |
| 06:58.49 | jbmigel | directhex is there any advantage to powernowd in desktop computer you think? |
| 06:58.50 | neoxite | what advantage does padding give you anyway? |
| 06:58.52 | Xinux | so restart my computer?! |
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| 06:58.59 | jetscreamer | the spoon melted |
| 06:59.00 | Xinux | sep: restart my computer? |
| 06:59.05 | sep | Xinux: why ? |
| 06:59.05 | vsquared | I wish windows had never ever *ever* added a 32 bit option in their vid card config dialog |
| 06:59.07 | kimo_sabe | neoxite: no need to unpack |
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| 06:59.16 | vsquared | it makes no sense and does nothing |
| 06:59.18 | sep | Xinux: just try startx |
| 06:59.24 | Defty | neoxite: you get a 32 bit data type for color, 24 bit isn't so well supported by processors etc. |
| 06:59.25 | jetscreamer | the knife took a flamethrower to it when it caught the spoon and the dish humping |
| 06:59.28 | jpeg | no, 32bit graphics are great if you have a CMYK monitor. |
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| 06:59.35 | Defty | neoxite: in addition you can use the 8 bit for alpha or whatever |
| 06:59.42 | directhex | jbmigel, yeah. helps lower power bills, when all you're doing is using xchat and firefox |
| 06:59.43 | Xinux | sep: i'm just gonna restart comp, no harm in it |
| 06:59.46 | Xinux | brb |
| 06:59.53 | neoxite | I see |
| 06:59.58 | directhex | jbmigel, it scales up to full speed straigt away if needed |
| 06:59.59 | sep | hehe e's been using windows for too long |
| 07:00.11 | lordmyren | if i'm running a rootless window manager, |
| 07:00.20 | vsquared | well, true, if you're using cmyk, then 32 bit has meaning, true |
| 07:00.25 | lordmyren | is there any way to open up a window with root window space? |
| 07:00.32 | jm_ | jbmigel: the advantage is that CPU runs cooler and uses less power if you don't push it |
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| 07:00.44 | vsquared | but an alpha channel means nothing on a final image |
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| 07:00.52 | lordmyren | i'd like to access the fluxbox menu, but i have no root to access to do so |
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| 07:00.58 | directhex | i'd like to get powernow running on this machine, i'm too hot at night if i leave my pc on |
| 07:01.18 | directhex | anyway, off to work. |
| 07:01.28 | jm_ | I use the setpci trick with my Athlon XP |
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| 07:02.31 | jetscreamer | lordmyren: you can't shell out to a console? |
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| 07:02.47 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt F2 ? |
| 07:02.57 | lordmyren | jetscreamer: i can get the console just fine, but the entire configuration menu is M.I.A. |
| 07:03.07 | directhex | actually, the lack of support for my venice core is probably a debian-kernel thing. kernel.org kernels are very slow to support cpu frequency scaling stuff, andthe debian team seem not to like adding the commonly distributed patchers themselves |
| 07:03.18 | lordmyren | i'm running my window manager remotely and rootless |
| 07:03.25 | tarzeau | WHERE CAN I DWONLAD SARGE STBABLE ISO???? DO I NEED ALL 14 CD? |
| 07:03.32 | spdf | tarzeau, oh man.. |
| 07:03.36 | lordmyren | tarzeau: just get the netinstall disc. 100megs man. |
| 07:03.38 | liable | hehe |
| 07:03.39 | directhex | !win tarzeau |
| 07:03.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, tarzeau! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 07:03.49 | tarzeau | morning |
| 07:03.56 | lordmyren | you will need a net connection though |
| 07:03.57 | spdf | tarzeau, Welcome aboard... |
| 07:04.02 | lordmyren | you certainly are a loud one in the morning. |
| 07:04.06 | Penix | !you lose lordmyren |
| 07:04.09 | Penix | bah! |
| 07:04.14 | lordmyren | haha |
| 07:04.17 | directhex | !penixsmite Penix |
| 07:04.23 | spdf | lordmyren, Seems you got sucked into that one.. :) |
| 07:04.23 | directhex | :( |
| 07:04.26 | Penix | looks like I lose |
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| 07:05.11 | athosCNNA | 离开 |
| 07:05.20 | spdf | Yarrrrr. |
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| 07:05.42 | TimeKilla | lmao..i love debian so far... the bloody thing is updating itself.. i'm astonished.. die bill. |
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| 07:05.50 | Penix | tarzeau: where cn I get a gnUstEP serrial key??!?! thx |
| 07:05.54 | jetscreamer | ~penixstrike Penix |
| 07:05.56 | apt | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:05.59 | tarzeau | Penix: haha :) |
| 07:06.04 | Xinux | oh jee |
| 07:06.05 | Xinux | it didn't even do anything different |
| 07:06.17 | Xinux | sep: it didn't change anything |
| 07:06.28 | Xinux | sep: games still load slow, and there is still display bugs :( |
| 07:06.46 | vsquared | Xinux, check to see what is actually in the XF86Config-4 file |
| 07:06.56 | Xinux | vsquared: located? |
| 07:07.04 | vsquared | Xinux, /etc/X11 |
| 07:07.09 | zu22 | !kill Penix |
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| 07:07.33 | Xinux | there is vsquared |
| 07:08.02 | Xinux | i'm deleting the Load "dri" |
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| 07:08.06 | Xinux | DRI is a load of problems |
| 07:08.09 | vsquared | Xinux, uh, no |
| 07:08.13 | vsquared | Xinux, stop |
| 07:08.21 | vsquared | Xinux, just check what "Driver" says |
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| 07:08.49 | vsquared | under Section "Device" |
| 07:08.51 | Xinux | for what section, vsquared |
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| 07:09.05 | rituraj | is sarge going to be released TODAY? |
| 07:09.14 | Xinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.14 | gpm | wir |
| 07:09.18 | spdf | rituraj, Of course.. |
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| 07:09.27 | Xinux | should i change Driver "fglrx" to Driver "r128" |
| 07:09.28 | vsquared | rituraj, check mirrors.kernel.org, 3.1r0 cd images are already there |
| 07:09.31 | spdf | Xinux, Umm.. change it.. |
| 07:09.36 | rituraj | but the bugs count is 26 !! |
| 07:09.46 | vsquared | its actually making me kind of excited |
| 07:09.52 | Nigel | rituraj: 15-security |
| 07:10.05 | spdf | rituraj, The iso's are already passed out to mirrors.. |
| 07:10.06 | Nigel | errr 15 (when forgetting security) |
| 07:10.07 | Xinux | emm? |
| 07:10.11 | Xinux | vsquared: Driver "fglrx" |
| 07:10.18 | vsquared | Xinux, change to "r128" |
| 07:10.21 | Xinux | aight |
| 07:10.30 | Xinux | done |
| 07:10.32 | vsquared | Xinux, fglrx will do you no good on a rage 128 |
| 07:10.35 | rituraj | but will the "official" announcement being done today? |
| 07:10.38 | spdf | Xinux, save.. and restart X.. |
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| 07:10.46 | Xinux | aight |
| 07:10.51 | spdf | Xinux, fglrx is for newer radeons (like 8500 and up) |
| 07:10.54 | gpm | rituraj: what difference does it make? |
| 07:10.57 | sep | Xinux: if you have tampered with the config file manualy, then dpkg-reconfigure wont overwrite your tampering, basicaly you must choose one way to do your configs, with dpkg-reconfigure or manually. |
| 07:11.15 | rituraj | it does make a lot of difference...anyways |
| 07:11.29 | gpm | i mean, why do you care personally? |
| 07:11.41 | rituraj | gpm: no i dont care personally |
| 07:11.53 | vsquared | he needs to know when to uncork the champaigne? |
| 07:11.57 | gpm | oh... |
| 07:12.10 | rituraj | vsquared: u r right :) |
| 07:12.12 | Nigel | it means the party can start |
| 07:12.23 | Nigel | btw, where does the party take place? |
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| 07:12.33 | rituraj | Pune...india |
| 07:12.41 | fbhjr | No |
| 07:12.47 | Xinux | ok... |
| 07:12.49 | Xinux | it still doing the same thing |
| 07:12.51 | Xinux | vsquared. |
| 07:12.54 | fbhjr | Anchorage, Alaska |
| 07:12.56 | pupe | EN RUSIA SOVIETICA YO RETROCESO TUS BOLAS |
| 07:13.12 | vsquared | Xinux, do you have an xorg.conf file in /etc/X11 |
| 07:13.12 | sep | Xinux: are you still running xorg and are modifying xfree86-4 perhaps ? |
| 07:13.21 | vsquared | sep, great minds.... |
| 07:13.24 | Xinux | yes, vsquared |
| 07:13.25 | sep | lol |
| 07:13.30 | gpm | oh yeah, the party...shit, my bad :P |
| 07:13.35 | vsquared | Xinux, do the same thing with xorg.conf |
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| 07:14.01 | vsquared | Xinux, I don't know how you got Xorg, but its there... are you sure you're running *debian*? |
| 07:14.05 | sep | vsquared: i was more thinking something like "ohhhh... the pain ... the horror... " |
| 07:14.26 | jbmigel | does anyone know how to see if powernow is working? jm_ im asking you too ;) |
| 07:14.28 | vsquared | sep, haha |
| 07:14.40 | Xinux | ok, vsquared, i editted it |
| 07:14.43 | sep | jbmigel: i'd assume you should see a powernodw in your ps output |
| 07:14.55 | vsquared | Xinux, go ahead and restart |
| 07:15.01 | Xinux | the whole computer? |
| 07:15.06 | vsquared | Xinux, no, sorry |
| 07:15.39 | vsquared | Xinux, Xwhatever |
| 07:15.39 | Xinux | ok |
| 07:15.39 | Xinux | brb |
| 07:15.39 | jbmigel | sep "ps -ae | grep power" produces no output |
| 07:15.39 | vsquared | Xinux, Xorg, Xfree86 |
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| 07:15.40 | jm_ | jbmigel: I don't have a CPU that could make use of that, but lower CPU temperature is an obvious result |
| 07:15.51 | vsquared | I guess he's not gonna hear me if he's quit |
| 07:16.04 | pupe | FreeBSD 5.4 The nest generetion OS. Whatever, you like that. |
| 07:16.41 | sep | jbmigel: you started it with /etc/init.d/powernowd restart or something ? |
| 07:17.15 | jbmigel | sep i rebooted the machine. but its headless so i couldnt see any startup messages... do you know where it logs? |
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| 07:17.31 | kickino | hello guys |
| 07:17.38 | sep | jbmigel: most likely daemon.log |
| 07:17.39 | liable | jbmigel: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:18.03 | liable | jbmigel: see if its lower than max. |
| 07:18.04 | sep | jbmigel: but you can run /etc/init.d/powernowd restart now and see what it outputs |
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| 07:18.25 | Xinux | umm |
| 07:18.27 | Xinux | i'm on windows now |
| 07:18.31 | Xinux | becuz it caused a really bad error |
| 07:18.42 | Xinux | it made my monitor go "OUT OF RANGE" |
| 07:19.00 | Nigel | oh god, |
| 07:19.09 | vsquared | Xinux, change the resolution entries for 24 bit to something like "640x480" and "800x600" |
| 07:19.12 | Nigel | Xinux: you misconfigured it then |
| 07:19.17 | Xinux | umm |
| 07:19.20 | Xinux | too late now |
| 07:19.22 | sep | Xinux: then you have a resolution so high your monitor cant handle. use ctrl+alt+F1 to get to a console , or use ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X |
| 07:19.22 | vsquared | Xinux, something really conservative |
| 07:19.27 | jbmigel | sep hmmm i get lots of errors... thanks ill get started here |
| 07:19.32 | Xinux | it's not like Windows even knows my linux partition exists |
| 07:19.38 | vsquared | Xinux, I mean't later |
| 07:19.40 | Xinux | so i can't access it |
| 07:19.47 | Xinux | umm |
| 07:19.53 | Xinux | luckily |
| 07:19.56 | Xinux | I'M NOT RUNNING DEBIAN |
| 07:19.57 | Xinux | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 07:19.59 | vsquared | Xinux, also, /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 07:20.11 | simonrvn | cat /var/log/dmesg |
| 07:20.11 | Xinux | cuz Mepis has LiveCD |
| 07:20.13 | vsquared | Xinux, LATER ON |
| 07:20.21 | Xinux | so i can just get on the Mepis LiveCD |
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| 07:20.26 | Xinux | and edit my wrong doings |
| 07:20.31 | simonrvn | cat /var/log/boot if bootlogd is enabled |
| 07:20.46 | sep | Xinux: you can press ctrl+alt+backspace when you see 'out of range' |
| 07:20.51 | benjamindees | Xinux, who is paying you? |
| 07:21.00 | Nigel | Xinux: so you've never used debian... |
| 07:21.18 | Xinux | Nigel: never wanted to take the time to download 4 cds :O |
| 07:21.30 | sep | Xinux: since your running xorg from godknowswhere, your not actualy running a clean debian in the first place 111111:P |
| 07:21.33 | Nigel | There should be a free register debian app, to get IRC support... |
| 07:21.57 | Xinux | inserts the LiveCD |
| 07:21.59 | Xinux | :) |
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| 07:22.22 | ABRAXAS77 | hello,how can I start the ssh service? |
| 07:22.39 | sep | ABRAXAS77: it usualy starts by itself, have you installed it ? |
| 07:22.46 | Nigel | at least then we wouldn't have non-debian users harrassing us for support for apps that aren't in debian etc... |
| 07:22.50 | ABRAXAS77 | yes,but dont start sep |
| 07:22.54 | Xinux | brb |
| 07:22.59 | sep | ABRAXAS77: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 07:23.09 | Sunblade | ABRAXAS77: invoke-rc.d ssh start |
| 07:23.45 | ABRAXAS77 | thank u sep Sunblade |
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| 07:25.02 | jbmigel | sep my dmesg output has "powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB" do you know what PSB is? |
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| 07:25.28 | TimeKilla | hey again.. just curious. I'm going through the part of the installation where it asked me what apt modules i wanted and i selected the bottom one.. manual.. it then automatically started updating 77 megs of stuff.. but didn't offer me to select it.. are these just critical things and it will ask after what additional stuff i want? (i didn the netinst) |
| 07:25.40 | TimeKilla | (i did the netinst) |
| 07:25.56 | vsquared | I've only been here twice to help out, and both times it seems I have started conversations with the "bottom of the barrel" |
| 07:26.14 | vsquared | like that guy yesterday who kept calling it the "kernal" |
| 07:26.26 | jasoncohen | when i do apt-get build-dep amarok i get E: Build-dependencies for amarok could not be satisfied. with no explanation. what could be causing this? |
| 07:26.30 | sep | jbmigel: what kernel ? either old kernel or missing modules i guess |
| 07:26.35 | TinoW | vsquared: kernal? The C=64 OS? ;) |
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| 07:26.57 | vsquared | TinoW, Colonel, like Sanders |
| 07:27.18 | Zambba | How do I start Debian install in G3 computer |
| 07:27.19 | jbmigel | sep "Linux 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8" ... do you know if mobo has to have "cool and quiet" enabled i guess eh? |
| 07:27.19 | Zambba | which is running MacOS 9 |
| 07:27.25 | TinoW | .oO(Sir kernel yes sir! ;) |
| 07:27.30 | sep | TimeKilla: probably just whats been updated since your cd got burned? |
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| 07:27.58 | sep | jbmigel: i was more thinking you neede to load the apropriate acp modules and utils |
| 07:27.58 | ABRAXAS77 | sep |
| 07:27.58 | ABRAXAS77 | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key |
| 07:27.58 | ABRAXAS77 | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 07:27.58 | ABRAXAS77 | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 07:27.59 | ABRAXAS77 | Disabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key |
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| 07:28.26 | TinoW | maybe it could not load host key... |
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| 07:28.39 | sep | TinoW: you think ? :) |
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| 07:28.46 | jbmigel | sep i have loaded cpufreq,cpufreq-userspace,powernow-k8 I believe this is all that is required fo rit |
| 07:28.48 | TinoW | Seb: chances are... ;) |
| 07:28.50 | benjamindees | naaaah... |
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| 07:30.19 | sep | jbmigel: i was thinking of the acpi modules you know ac.ko fan.ko processor.ko and those |
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| 07:30.39 | vsquared | is there a very gentle introduction to doing things the "debian way" that we can redirect people to? |
| 07:31.27 | sep | vsquared: RTFM!!!!! you worthless SOB!!! works i think |
| 07:31.27 | vsquared | like, the fact that if you are using 'make install', and you don't know what apt is, then you're doing something wrong |
| 07:31.27 | azar | kk |
| 07:31.27 | azar | jj] |
| 07:31.27 | sep | vsquared :) |
| 07:31.41 | vsquared | and what 'apt-cache search' is |
| 07:31.42 | shingouz | sep: that is the debian way :) |
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| 07:31.55 | shingouz | !tell vsquared about search |
| 07:32.03 | shingouz | vsquared: that good enough ;) |
| 07:32.04 | sep | vsquared: well the topic states the faq when they join... |
| 07:32.15 | bucky | vsquared, http://www.debian.org/doc/#manuals |
| 07:32.20 | jbmigel | sep modprobe -l says that i have all of those acpi modules you listed loaded... im running stock kernel |
| 07:32.41 | fbhjr | ahoy |
| 07:32.43 | TinoW | sep: most people dont read in irc. They only write ,) |
| 07:32.52 | vsquared | I guess all the existing manuals aren't really that bad... |
| 07:32.53 | shingouz | fbhjr: Arrrr... |
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| 07:33.03 | simonrvn | jbmigel: modprobe -l just lists the modules present for the currently-running kernel. not the ones installed into kernel mem |
| 07:33.17 | simonrvn | kernel space rather |
| 07:33.24 | fbhjr | shingouz: aye aragggaga matey!! |
| 07:33.33 | vsquared | RTFM!!! you worthless SOB!!! is looking better and better |
| 07:33.34 | jbmigel | simonrvn er what would the difference be? |
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| 07:33.39 | shingouz | fbhjr: and a bottle of rum |
| 07:33.44 | Xinux | ok |
| 07:33.47 | Xinux | i'm on the liveCD |
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| 07:33.58 | simonrvn | jbmigel: lsmod shows the ones in kernel space |
| 07:34.09 | Xinux | vsquared: where is the XF86Config-4 located again? |
| 07:34.18 | vsquared | Xinux, /etc/X11 |
| 07:34.20 | benjamindees | Xinux, and, you want to know how to install Debian? |
| 07:34.22 | shingouz | Xinux: locate or find |
| 07:34.30 | vsquared | Xinux, but you're running Xorg, as we found out earlier |
| 07:34.40 | shingouz | he runs mepis afaik |
| 07:35.13 | vsquared | Xinux, so it'd be xorg.conf |
| 07:35.26 | Xinux | ahh |
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| 07:35.59 | shingouz | guys, don't guess. he is not on debian so the configs are totally different from what we use. he just wants to sit here and troll, don't feed him |
| 07:36.04 | jasoncohen | what is fam/gamin needed for? what functionality would be lost by removing fam/gamin? |
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| 07:36.47 | benjamindees | jasoncohen, gnome uses it for something; other than that it sucks |
| 07:36.55 | jasoncohen | for some reason the build-deps for amarok requires me to remove gamin and fam prevents me from unmounting my usb key if i mount it through KDE so i'm wondering what i need it for at all |
| 07:37.12 | jasoncohen | i replaced fam with gamin, but do i need either? |
| 07:37.21 | Xinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.21 | Xinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.23 | benjamindees | probably not |
| 07:37.40 | sep | jbmigel: acording to google you might need the cool and quiet whatever that is |
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| 07:37.51 | Xinux | vsquared: what should I edit? |
| 07:38.00 | Xinux | vsquared: for the "OUT OF RANGE" monitor error |
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| 07:38.03 | vsquared | Xinux, make sure that the depth setting is 24, and change the Modes line for 24 to something really conservative |
| 07:38.07 | shingouz | Xinux: the irc channel you are on |
| 07:38.21 | vsquared | Xinux, eventually, find out the horiz and vert sync ranges for your monitor and set them in that same config file |
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| 07:38.44 | vsquared | Xinux, with debian standard Xfree86, this is simply a matter of using dpkg-reconfigure, and is not nearly as hard |
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| 07:38.45 | Xinux | ugh |
| 07:38.54 | Xinux | heh. |
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| 07:39.04 | jbmigel | sep ok ill drag the box up here to a monitor and check the bios then! thanks!! |
| 07:39.08 | sep | Xinux: if you are actualy running mepis you should rather join #mepis and ask there, we are not realy familiar with that and are probably only making matters worse then actualy helping you |
| 07:39.22 | vsquared | Xinux, but, for now, just make the modes more conservative |
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| 07:39.23 | Xinux | sep: nobody in #mepis knows about this stuff |
| 07:39.26 | fbhjr | why should irc server admins/owners of hardware have ultimate say over k-lines and access? |
| 07:39.32 | shingouz | Xinux: wtf can't you ask in mepis or whatever the hell you are actually running? is it really so hard to ask people who know what they are talking about? |
| 07:39.34 | sep | jbmigel: i have a small 5" monitor for such :) |
| 07:39.35 | myr | Hi Guys ! |
| 07:39.44 | shingouz | Xinux: install debian then and ask here ffs |
| 07:39.45 | myr | Any news about Sarge's release ? |
| 07:39.48 | fbhjr | why should MX server admins have the same? |
| 07:39.51 | Xinux | GOD SHINGOUZ WTF TO YOU, YOU FLAMER |
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| 07:40.04 | fbhjr | dammit I am so sick of fsckers saying they have a right to something |
| 07:40.24 | shingouz | Xinux: you really dont seem to get it, do you. we do not know how to configure the damn thing you run, ask someone who knows |
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| 07:40.41 | Xinux | shingouz: try #somebody-who-cares |
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| 07:41.11 | shingouz | fbhjr: that is because if you run a server you need to know who is on it and what they do just so that you can keep the server up an drunning |
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| 07:41.33 | shingouz | Xinux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does the config |
| 07:41.43 | Xinux | already done that |
| 07:41.54 | Xinux | trying to fix a "OUT OF RANGE" monitor error |
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| 07:41.56 | shingouz | Xinux: do it again then |
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| 07:42.16 | bucky | Xinux, then you answered the questions wrong in xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:42.22 | Xinux | probably |
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| 07:42.30 | Xinux | but its fixable through xorg.conf |
| 07:42.32 | fbhjr | shingouz: I know who is "on" the server....my ire is directed at the sea of lamers who assume that I owe them something, by precedent |
| 07:42.40 | shingouz | Xinux: then fix it through there |
| 07:42.57 | shingouz | fbhjr: are you a netop on the server? |
| 07:43.07 | Xinux | ok |
| 07:43.10 | Xinux | i hope this works |
| 07:43.22 | shingouz | i hope it doesnt |
| 07:43.26 | Agabus | which country is debian 'based' in. and what is the date/time there? |
| 07:43.34 | shingouz | Agabus: us |
| 07:43.50 | benjamindees | 2:40 AM CST |
| 07:44.08 | Agabus | oh so there's like a whole nother day before sarge |
| 07:44.22 | benjamindees | probably |
| 07:44.24 | shingouz | Agabus: sarge releases when it is ready |
| 07:44.35 | fbhjr | shingouz: yes |
| 07:44.49 | vsquared | Agabus, for the release anouncement... but check mirrors.kernel.org for debian cd images, sarge is there |
| 07:44.59 | shingouz | fbhjr: read up on K-lines or Z-lines then ;) |
| 07:45.06 | fbhjr | no I just want to bail on all hosting...it royally sucks |
| 07:45.21 | fbhjr | I know how to do those shingouz |
| 07:45.22 | shingouz | fbhjr: i know. pull the plug and be done with it |
| 07:45.24 | pusling | Agabus: sarge is coming... |
| 07:45.31 | fbhjr | yah |
| 07:45.38 | pusling | Agabus: I have already iso 1-4 on my harddrive |
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| 07:45.53 | Agabus | pulsing - so its already final, just no announcment |
| 07:45.55 | shingouz | fbhjr: hehehe... depends on the ircd you run, you need to check the docs on it |
| 07:45.58 | spdf | Agabus, right.. |
| 07:46.10 | spdf | Agabus, I've had CD1 for about.. 2hrs |
| 07:46.12 | pusling | Agabus: they are uploading it to mirrors around the world |
| 07:46.12 | sep | Agabus: there is 26 bugs left before sarge. days are irrelevant only bugs count |
| 07:46.13 | glar00k | I'm only here waiting for the release announcement and to celebrate the release with you :D |
| 07:46.16 | gruad | is there a torrent of sarge available? |
| 07:46.21 | fbhjr | what? |
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| 07:46.25 | bucky | fbhjr == Xinux |
| 07:46.32 | AigleDor | when will debian 3.1 be released? |
| 07:46.44 | pusling | gruad: look at your local debian mirror |
| 07:46.46 | spdf | gruad, Yep.. http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 07:46.49 | shingouz | bucky: no fucking way, he seems to be trolling everywhere then |
| 07:46.52 | Xinux | vsquared: well, now i'm back to where i started |
| 07:46.54 | fbhjr | Q = asswipe |
| 07:46.59 | Agabus | fuck its annoying when everyones like sarge will come when its comes. i was just wondering what the date/time in U.S was.. |
| 07:47.00 | Xinux | vsquared: with the same problems |
| 07:47.01 | gruad | thanks |
| 07:47.09 | Xinux | vsquared: and now at a crappier resolution |
| 07:47.20 | vsquared | Xinux, what problems? |
| 07:47.27 | shingouz | Xinux: ASK IN MEPIS OR WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU RUN YOU ASSHOLE |
| 07:47.37 | pusling | AigleDor: real soon |
| 07:48.06 | sushimako | i will only need cd1 for base install, right? |
| 07:48.17 | pusling | AigleDor: only thing missing is copying to all mirrors and make announce |
| 07:48.19 | |ryan| | Agabus: heh |
| 07:48.23 | shingouz | sushimako: the netinstall is enough, about 100M |
| 07:48.35 | AigleDor | the link poster by spdf is for the final? |
| 07:48.44 | |ryan| | it is 12:50 am in california. |
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| 07:48.56 | |ryan| | not that anyone really cares. |
| 07:49.28 | Agabus | i thought the devs were gonna wait until all the 26 bugs had been resolved |
| 07:49.31 | pusling | ahh... cd5 ;) |
| 07:49.32 | Xinux | vsquared: OMG, dude the games run faster now |
| 07:49.35 | |ryan| | anyway. |
| 07:49.48 | Xinux | vsquared: I just played Tux Racer, and it actually went fast. |
| 07:49.58 | BoD_SWAT | how do I change my own or another users password in Debian? |
| 07:50.03 | spdf | AigleDor, Its for r0 |
| 07:50.07 | shingouz | BoD_SWAT: man passwd |
| 07:50.14 | |ryan| | when will they switch the links on the mirrors for stable from woody to sarge? when they announce the release? |
| 07:50.21 | Xinux | vsquared: now if I change it back to my normal resolution i use |
| 07:50.26 | spdf | |ryan|, I imagine just before.. |
| 07:50.28 | Xinux | vsquared: will that cause problems?! |
| 07:50.31 | pusling | BoD_SWAT: passwd |
| 07:50.34 | shingouz | BoD_SWAT: of course if you want to change someone elses pass you need to be root |
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| 07:50.45 | vsquared | Xinux, you're gonna need the proper sync ranges for your monitor |
| 07:50.52 | vsquared | Xinux, or at least *sane* ones |
| 07:50.52 | Xinux | >.< |
| 07:51.02 | gruad | AigleDor: and it's ftp:// not http:// |
| 07:51.04 | Xinux | is there a proper way to figure this out? |
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| 07:51.14 | shingouz | vsquared: he is too lazy to google, he wants it all on a silver platter |
| 07:51.25 | |ryan| | with the sources.list pointed at stable. |
| 07:51.28 | vsquared | Xinux, look, everyone else is right, you're not running *debian* and this is not an X help channel... use google and find out |
| 07:51.36 | Xinux | >.< |
| 07:51.39 | vsquared | Xinux, I have given you more than enough information to lead you to the solution |
| 07:51.55 | Penix | |ryan|: *shudder* I'd hate to see a server managed by you ;P |
| 07:52.00 | pusling | |ryan|: you should just change stable to woody in sources list ;) |
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| 07:52.01 | benjamindees | |ryan|, surely you're not serious... |
| 07:52.04 | Xinux | lol this 800x600 resolution is killing me |
| 07:52.11 | shingouz | Xinux: good |
| 07:52.18 | Xinux | STFU SHINGOUZ |
| 07:52.23 | Xinux | JUST TYPE /IGNORE XINUX |
| 07:52.24 | Xinux | YOU FAT WHORE |
| 07:52.37 | zinx | Xinux: you could look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log to find out why the other resolutions were rejected, if you were using Debian |
| 07:52.40 | shingouz | wow. now i have had a sex change too |
| 07:52.46 | zinx | Xinux: but you aren't. |
| 07:52.46 | bucky | !ops abuse Xinux |
| 07:52.47 | liable | Xinux: do you ever come here, and not troll? |
| 07:52.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: abuse Xinux |
| 07:52.48 | fbhjr | Nixhelp Opers -- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.Nixhelp Opers -- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
| 07:52.57 | Om | If I have a non-forked program running in my terminal, is there anything I can do to fork it or detach it from the terminal, without interrupting it? :) |
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| 07:53.10 | zinx | Xinux: we are familiar with debian, not debian-based distributions. |
| 07:53.14 | vsquared | Xinux, then google for your monitor make's sync ranges, change them, change your resolutions in xorg.conf, go complain in #mepis as to why its not easy |
| 07:53.15 | AigleDor | is 3.1_r0 the so waited for release? |
| 07:53.26 | Penix | Om: apt-get install screen ;) |
| 07:53.29 | liable | yes |
| 07:53.35 | streuner | zinx: thats what he already know, he doesnt care about it... |
| 07:53.39 | shingouz | liable: as far as i have seen he either sits here asking for help on mepis or tells debian noobs to do something mepis centric |
| 07:53.42 | sep | Xinux: you must understand you are not exactly helping yourself here. your not running debian and your running software that is not in debian, it's not to be expected that a debian channel whill know what your doing, why not either switch to debian and we'd help you, or ask the support channel for your mepis distro #mepis |
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| 07:53.50 | Penix | Om: you could use Ctrl-Z to stick it in the background |
| 07:53.57 | bucky | AigleDor, i didn't wait for it.. i installed it |
| 07:53.57 | Xinux | no |
| 07:53.57 | Penix | Om: not sure if that interrupts it though |
| 07:54.00 | Xinux | even if i did debian |
| 07:54.04 | Xinux | i would just get flamed |
| 07:54.06 | liable | shingouz: yes I know, he's an asshole. :( |
| 07:54.18 | BoD_SWAT | shingouz, pusling thnx :)))))))))))))))))) |
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| 07:54.43 | |ryan| | benjamindees: totaly serious. |
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| 07:54.48 | Xinux | wtf. |
| 07:54.55 | Xinux | i didn't flood? |
| 07:54.56 | sep | !beer bob2 |
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| 07:55.06 | jbmigel | sep: enabling the cool and quiet did the trick, powernowd is now listed in ps output, also cat /proc/cpuinfo lists my processor at 800Mhz currently. thanks for your help all! |
| 07:55.14 | sep | jbmigel: noproblem |
| 07:55.22 | bob2 | Xinux: chill out or go |
| 07:55.27 | |ryan| | Penix: i do alright managing servers. I'm not the one who set up that cronjobs. |
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| 07:55.43 | |ryan| | it was part of the 'standard build' my predacessor made. |
| 07:55.51 | Xinux | bob2: i was never angry... |
| 07:55.52 | Penix | track them down and spank them |
| 07:56.03 | |ryan| | i'm pretty sure i fixed it everywhere last week |
| 07:56.05 | deadcat | bob2: do you need to do anything special to get vga out(clone) to work with xorg? |
| 07:56.07 | |ryan| | just verifying. |
| 07:56.16 | bob2 | deadcat: I think I added some options to xorg.conf |
| 07:56.23 | deadcat | ah. |
| 07:56.25 | bob2 | Xinux: then stop abusing shingouz |
| 07:56.26 | |ryan| | it was intended in make sure security updates got done. |
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| 07:56.34 | Xinux | Xinux: he is the one always abusing me.. |
| 07:56.36 | |ryan| | lousy way of doing it, though :'( |
| 07:56.38 | bob2 | Xinux: especially since you're not actually using Debian |
| 07:56.42 | deadcat | bob2: hes been doing that for days. |
| 07:56.58 | liable | weeks even. |
| 07:56.58 | Xinux | i'm not needing help with the OS itself |
| 07:57.00 | Penix | wouldn't be *so* lousy if a -d was used for the dist-upgrade |
| 07:57.15 | Xinux | it's just debian drivers |
| 07:57.18 | Xinux | and all that stuff |
| 07:57.20 | cormster | Hi, i'm just wondering if its possibly to take one machine's kernel configuration (a list of all drives/modules etc) and move it to another machine then compile the kernel without having to select everything again in menu config? If so, what file? |
| 07:57.20 | hardcampa- | Xinux it's obvious you need professional help instead |
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| 07:57.27 | bucky | Xinux, we don't use xorg... and we've had this discussion |
| 07:57.30 | sep | Xinux: your using xorg, that isn't in debian even. |
| 07:57.33 | shingouz | Xinux: xorg is not in debian last i checked |
| 07:57.40 | Penix | cormster: .config in the kernel source directory |
| 07:57.45 | Xinux | 3 people with the same response. |
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| 07:57.56 | shingouz | maybe we have a point |
| 07:57.59 | cormster | ok thanks Penix |
| 07:58.01 | Xinux | i feel so hated here. |
| 07:58.02 | streuner | should be not wrong then... |
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| 07:58.07 | brosio | how could i automount my dvd rom ? |
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| 07:58.09 | mos__ | Xinux also uses mepis, feel free to berate him for asking his questions in the wrong place |
| 07:58.11 | Penix | cormster: might be a copy in /boot too |
| 07:58.17 | jbmigel | Xinux you have been here for hours wasting everyones time, just piss off already and go back to windows like you threatened to do hours ago |
| 07:58.19 | streuner | !d-i Xinux |
| 07:58.20 | dpkg | Xinux, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:58.25 | poncha|work | guys, anyone have experience with scanlogd vs. scandetd (or maybe even some other stuff not in apt pools?) which one would you suggest? |
| 07:58.26 | Xinux | mos__ stfu |
| 07:58.29 | Xinux | mos__ you use mepis too |
| 07:58.36 | hardcampa- | lol what a moron |
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| 07:58.41 | vsquared | shingouz, aww, you called me a debian noob earlier... I guess I shouldn't help people after I determine that they're not using debian |
| 07:58.47 | bucky | Xinux, which compiler does fc3 use? |
| 07:58.48 | poncha|work | guys, anyone have experience with scanlogd vs. scandetd (or maybe even some other stuff not in apt pools?) which one would you suggest? (for scan detection that is :) ) |
| 07:59.16 | Xinux | god |
| 07:59.19 | Xinux | fuck you all |
| 07:59.20 | Xinux | bye |
| 07:59.23 | poncha|work | hah |
| 07:59.24 | shingouz | vsquared: it usually tends to screw up the system they are running as the configs are not the same as on debian, that is the reason. not something pissy |
| 07:59.24 | hardcampa- | wohoo |
| 07:59.28 | Xinux | JOKES |
| 07:59.29 | Xinux | hahahahaha |
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| 07:59.30 | sep | vsquared: no it's better to just point them in the righ channel where they can get help for thir distro |
| 07:59.35 | hardcampa- | or not |
| 07:59.40 | deadcat | he ran out of shits to say |
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| 07:59.58 | streuner | bob2: that was late. |
| 08:00.12 | deadcat | bob2: ya. you should have done that weeks ago |
| 08:00.14 | bob2 | I'm on the phone |
| 08:00.15 | bob2 | jesus |
| 08:00.23 | falkon | hey, is there a source around for the java runtime environment? |
| 08:00.28 | vsquared | sep, no I agree, I should have stopped a long time ago... I was just hurt by the debian noob comment |
| 08:00.38 | eps | erm how do I check which /dev/ address my mouse is currently using? I have two pluged in |
| 08:00.44 | shingouz | vsquared: umm.. did i noob you? |
| 08:01.02 | vsquared | shingouz, I thought you were referring to me when you said that he tells debian noobs to do something mepis specific |
| 08:01.09 | deadcat | bob2: damn. i almost got a mac mini for $150. brand new too... )=.. |
| 08:01.23 | shingouz | vsquared: not you, in general. he has done stuff like that before here |
| 08:01.25 | vsquared | shingouz, I'm kidding anyway |
| 08:01.30 | benjamindees | |ryan|, make sure security updates got done? what, if the admin died and they didn't replace him? |
| 08:01.32 | liable | deadcat: off the back of a truck? :) |
| 08:01.33 | vsquared | shingouz, ah, okay... |
| 08:01.40 | deadcat | and i just got over the deal on the printer too. |
| 08:01.54 | deadcat | liable: nah. he said he got it from a client. let me linke you |
| 08:02.16 | shingouz | vsquared: a few things that have not been really good for debian systems, nothing like an rm -fr / but still things that could potentially hurt debian systems |
| 08:02.18 | liable | deadcat: is ok, jk. |
| 08:02.25 | deadcat | liable: http://www.craigslist.org/eby/sys/77133700.html he asked for $500 i said $150. i thought he was joking at first. |
| 08:02.54 | deadcat | liable: its not my month. )= |
| 08:02.54 | vsquared | shingouz, oh, he was telling other people what to do?.... oh god |
| 08:03.07 | vsquared | shingouz, now I understand what you mean |
| 08:03.17 | liable | deadcat: too slow? :( or deal renegged? |
| 08:03.33 | shingouz | vsquared: yes, and they all were noobs as in people who have been on the channel for about fifteen minutes and therefore cannot know that his advice is not valid all the time |
| 08:03.34 | vsquared | shingouz, talk about the blind leading the blind |
| 08:03.37 | deadcat | liable: some jerk picked it up for $450 6min after i left the house |
| 08:03.40 | jbmigel | sep this powernow crap is awesome! I wrote an infinite loop to pin the processor and it switched to 2Ghz like instantly!! why doesnt the installer default this "on"? |
| 08:03.43 | shingouz | vsquared: something like that |
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| 08:04.00 | liable | deadcat: :( |
| 08:04.01 | sep | jbmigel: becouse not all machines need it or have the capability to it even |
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| 08:04.36 | deadcat | liable: and now i am still in search a small/quiet machine to be my 24/7 debian server )= |
| 08:04.42 | deadcat | and cheap |
| 08:04.49 | jbmigel | sep oh yeah hehe i guess... did it only start with k8? i have a sempron running this machine i wonder if it supports it |
| 08:04.55 | liable | hehe, cheap is always the hard part |
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| 08:04.55 | jm_ | deadcat: I have HP 712/80 here :P |
| 08:04.59 | zu22 | deadcat: pick up a pizzabox |
| 08:05.03 | shingouz | deadcat: cheap i can do.. proliant 6000 ? ;) |
| 08:05.03 | liable | deadcat: me too. |
| 08:05.05 | deadcat | jm_: picture? |
| 08:05.07 | streuner | jbmigel: k7 |
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| 08:05.09 | streuner | !k7 |
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| 08:05.10 | dpkg | k7 is, like, the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 08:05.16 | falkon | I get an error from apt saying the java runtime environment cannot be installed. Does anyone know of a source for it? |
| 08:05.31 | sep | jbmigel: that or maybe an alpha dont support it, or mk68030 .. or a RISC or you know there are a lot of archs out there :) |
| 08:05.32 | deadcat | liable: i dont like my desktop up 24/7 its noisy. |
| 08:05.35 | benjamindees | deadcat, solarpc.com |
| 08:05.36 | jm_ | falkon: /msg dpkg java ; apt-cache show java-package |
| 08:05.37 | vsquared | shingouz, I see, I see... I misunderstood your comment earlier, and besides that, I shouldn't have even bothered helping, I knew it wasn't gonna matter |
| 08:05.46 | falkon | jm_: k |
| 08:06.05 | vsquared | vsquared, you can tell when someone is just being lazy |
| 08:06.09 | deadcat | benjamindees: nice. |
| 08:06.28 | shingouz | vsquared: i think it is good you tried to help. you jsut didnt know he really was running something else |
| 08:06.28 | liable | deadcat: buy a noisy fridge, or move next to an airport. :) |
| 08:06.52 | falkon | jm_: I'm getting nothing back from dpkg |
| 08:06.55 | benjamindees | deadcat, about $200, not cheap cheap, but not bad |
| 08:06.57 | liable | deadcat: then you'll hardly notice. :) |
| 08:06.58 | deadcat | liable: hahaha. i cant sleep with slight of noice. |
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| 08:07.16 | jm_ | falkon: are you using Sarge? |
| 08:07.17 | liable | deadcat: thats what they made beer/pot for :) |
| 08:07.21 | deadcat | benjamindees: cool. it aint a mini, but cool (= |
| 08:07.28 | deadcat | liable: hahahahah.. |
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| 08:07.39 | gromf | hello everybody |
| 08:07.41 | falkon | jm_: I'm brand new to debian. I'm using apt-get as far as I know |
| 08:07.47 | zeeble | hello gromf |
| 08:07.51 | jm_ | falkon: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:08.06 | liable | deadcat: I am actually the other way round, like a bit of white noise. |
| 08:08.08 | falkon | 3.1 |
| 08:08.36 | shingouz | so did i when i tried... |
| 08:08.39 | jm_ | deadcat: http://open.bsdcow.net/config/machines/pictures/hp-9000-712-60.jpg http://slottet.mine.nu/~bollman/datorer/hp.jpg |
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| 08:08.46 | zu22 | my computer sings to me while i dream |
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| 08:08.58 | falkon | jm_: it's 3.1 [testing] |
| 08:09.04 | jm_ | jbmigel: add contrib to sources.list |
| 08:09.07 | deadcat | jm_: looks old. |
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| 08:09.09 | shingouz | falkon: sarge |
| 08:09.18 | falkon | shingouz: eh? |
| 08:09.25 | jm_ | deadcat: that's because it is old :P |
| 08:09.30 | Beccara | rumour going around that sarge has gone stable |
| 08:09.32 | shingouz | falkon: called sarge |
| 08:09.34 | deadcat | jm_: hehe.. |
| 08:09.48 | falkon | shingouz: testing = sarge? |
| 08:09.58 | zinx | falkon: for a short time longer, yes |
| 08:10.03 | falkon | ahh ok |
| 08:10.08 | Beccara | anyone able to confirm/deny |
| 08:10.12 | shingouz | falkon: sarge is still testing, will be stable pretty soon |
| 08:10.20 | shingouz | Beccara: same to you |
| 08:10.26 | Beccara | thanks |
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| 08:10.39 | deadcat | i swear, one day i will get a mac mini. eitehr stinking cheap or free... cus i aint paying mroe than $150 (= |
| 08:10.52 | shingouz | Beccara: if you are planning to install, just grab the netinstall and do it |
| 08:11.02 | falkon | deadcat: that's how it should be. $600... no way |
| 08:11.11 | benjamindees | I think an xbox is all you can get for $150 |
| 08:11.13 | Beccara | nah, just beeing floating around a LUG mailing list |
| 08:11.14 | deadcat | falkon: ya. fuck'em |
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| 08:11.37 | lordmyren | can i pass the kernel something to change default runlevel to 2? |
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| 08:11.50 | lordmyren | runlevel 5 is locking the system |
| 08:11.51 | jm_ | lordmyren: man init |
| 08:11.57 | deadcat | benjamindees: oh ya.. that thing.. it turns me off because its a game console. and i dont play video games |
| 08:12.00 | jm_ | lordmyren: you're making things up |
| 08:12.08 | deadcat | lordmyren: why you go runevel 5? |
| 08:12.12 | falkon | deadcat: hack it hack it hack it |
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| 08:12.14 | lordmyren | X starts to run and it locks the system |
| 08:12.22 | jm_ | lordmyren: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 08:12.29 | deadcat | falkon: i guess. |
| 08:12.38 | shingouz | lordmyren: debian does not use runlevels to decide if it is X or CLI |
| 08:12.41 | mortalman | Which package provides support for java applets in firefox? |
| 08:12.53 | Beccara | anyone wanna comment on http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 08:12.53 | lordmyren | well i'm fucked then |
| 08:12.54 | jm_ | mortalman: /msg dpkg java |
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| 08:13.14 | drac | Beccara: Not much to comment. |
| 08:13.17 | lordmyren | my keyboard is non responsive. num-lock doesnt respond. |
| 08:13.23 | Gathond | jon it is newer and shinier I think |
| 08:13.29 | benjamindees | Jon, instability |
| 08:13.30 | deadcat | boy i am hungry. on a hunger strike since 0601 till sarge is releasedd (= |
| 08:13.32 | falkon | lordmyren: run in runlevel 3 and don't use kde/gnome. Tht's basically what I do |
| 08:13.35 | shingouz | lordmyren: no you are not, you just need to figure out what happens. remove the display magager first and see if the thing boots into the cli cleanly |
| 08:13.42 | Gathond | jon: some of their extensions might actually offer something for someone though |
| 08:13.45 | Beccara | drac, so that mean its done or is it fake? |
| 08:13.49 | shingouz | falkon: wrong answer |
| 08:13.55 | lordmyren | how do i remove a display manager if my system locks up before i get control of it |
| 08:13.56 | falkon | shingouz: well I lose then |
| 08:14.00 | shingouz | !tell falkon about nodm |
| 08:14.06 | jm_ | lordmyren: for the last time - /msg dpkg nodm |
| 08:14.12 | lordmyren | i read that, thanks |
| 08:14.16 | drac | Beccara: /topic |
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| 08:14.34 | jm_ | lordmyren: single user mode will also help if you aren't fast enough |
| 08:14.38 | shingouz | lordmyren: at boot make the system go into single user, remove the dm and reboot |
| 08:14.39 | lordmyren | it has great instructions for how to use the console - WHICH I DONT HAVE - to allow me to get to a console and stop X from hosing me |
| 08:14.50 | Jon | Gathond: hmm does sound like the people eager for it *now* are just chasing the cutting edge for no reason |
| 08:14.51 | liable | Jon: I think it does have some graphics extras, for ati's in partitcular. |
| 08:14.53 | falkon | shingouz: heh, that's weird |
| 08:14.58 | lordmyren | oh, right. just pass single to the kernel, right? |
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| 08:15.05 | shingouz | lordmyren: yes |
| 08:15.12 | falkon | shingouz: i can do alt + f* and it'll change over |
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| 08:15.22 | Oberone | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.25 | shingouz | falkon: yes if the box boots, if it doesnt.... |
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| 08:15.34 | falkon | oh... |
| 08:15.42 | Oberone | eeek |
| 08:15.46 | Oberone | sory |
| 08:15.52 | shingouz | :) |
| 08:15.57 | lordmyren | i couldnt even alt f*, X managed to completely lock me. it was astounding. |
| 08:16.07 | Gathond | jon: people mostly are i think |
| 08:16.10 | falkon | shingouz: ok, i'm distracted. do you have any idea if apt has java runtime environment? |
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| 08:16.23 | mortalman | jm_: No helpful info contained. |
| 08:16.29 | shingouz | lordmyren: i am guessing you have some misconfig there. boot single and rmove the dm for the time being |
| 08:16.36 | shingouz | falkon: sorry :) |
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| 08:16.43 | falkon | erg |
| 08:17.06 | lordmyren | indeed, thanks for the single thing. i forget about stuff like that. |
| 08:17.09 | falkon | shingouz: can you recommend a bittorent client then, since I can't use azureus? |
| 08:17.17 | shingouz | lordmyren: that is why we are here |
| 08:17.27 | sushimako | falkon www.bittorrent.com |
| 08:17.29 | zinx | falkon: there's always bittornado |
| 08:17.32 | shingouz | falkon: uh... i dont use torrent either ;) |
| 08:17.43 | falkon | sushimako: bittorent's client is crappy |
| 08:17.44 | zeeble | falkon: bittornado.. |
| 08:17.46 | zinx | falkon: which is packaged for debian |
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| 08:17.55 | zinx | falkon: and in sarge, even |
| 08:17.59 | falkon | zinx and zeeble: thanks |
| 08:18.00 | Gathond | falkon: unless a console client is a problem for you bittorrent or bittornado |
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| 08:18.08 | sushimako | falkon well, it wotked from within a ssh shell :) |
| 08:18.17 | zeeble | falkon: why cant you use azureus? |
| 08:18.18 | vsquared | falkon, wait, azureus works form me on unstable |
| 08:18.27 | evilmeow | is there a way to force permissions in the packager's content during creation without using fakeroot? |
| 08:18.35 | zinx | vsquared: i think he's having problems getting java installed |
| 08:18.37 | falkon | zeeble: azureus == java, no java runtimes available through apt that I can find |
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| 08:18.53 | Dashiva | i really like gnome-bittorrent |
| 08:18.54 | vsquared | zinx, it uses libcommons-cli-java |
| 08:19.04 | vsquared | zinx, oh, nm |
| 08:19.06 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | hi all |
| 08:19.06 | vsquared | zinx, I'm dumb |
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| 08:19.16 | zinx | falkon: well, it's illegal for debian to distribute java |
| 08:19.21 | falkon | zeeble: I did try downloading the rpm from sun and using alien... not working |
| 08:19.26 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | ho all |
| 08:19.27 | zinx | falkon: there's a package that allows you to build your own .deb, which is legal |
| 08:19.27 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | hi all |
| 08:19.30 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | hi all |
| 08:19.33 | vsquared | zinx, I'm really dumb, ignore that, I pasted the wrong thing |
| 08:19.33 | lordmyren | java-package |
| 08:19.35 | lordmyren | it rocks |
| 08:19.36 | liable | idiot |
| 08:19.45 | falkon | okay, i'll try that |
| 08:19.49 | zinx | falkon: you should be able to install it w/ 'apt-get install java-package', but i think you mentioned that didn't exist for some reason there |
| 08:19.54 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | is sarge ready ? |
| 08:19.55 | deadcat | liable: thats teh Xinux fucker |
| 08:20.00 | drac | mamrmmmmmaaaa: You're ready. |
| 08:20.03 | shingouz | mamrmmmmmaaaa: check the debian website |
| 08:20.04 | liable | ffs |
| 08:20.12 | zinx | falkon: after that, man make-jpkg |
| 08:20.14 | liable | deadcat: same ip? |
| 08:20.24 | mortalman | Anyone know how to get java working on firefox? |
| 08:20.24 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | i checked, the dates are not updated ? |
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| 08:20.32 | deadcat | liable: dont know. but have the same trademark |
| 08:20.39 | deadcat | acting like an ass |
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| 08:20.56 | falkon | zinx: what doesn't exist is the java runtime package... try for yourself. do an apt-get install azureus |
| 08:21.01 | zinx | deadcat: believe it or not, there's more than one ass in the world |
| 08:21.01 | mos__ | deadcat: no xinux is still online, and thats not his ip |
| 08:21.06 | shingouz | mamrmmmmmaaaa: lemme give you a hint. if the website says it is not out it is not out |
| 08:21.06 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | who knows if today sarge will be release as stable ? |
| 08:21.08 | deadcat | zinx: (= |
| 08:21.09 | vsquared | falkon, I'm sorry, I had blackdown java installed on this machine and actually *forgot* about it... I just knew that azereus worked |
| 08:21.20 | zinx | falkon: install the java runtime package first |
| 08:21.24 | liable | deadcat: nah, must be a cousin. :) |
| 08:21.27 | lordmyren | i think my BusID for my X is broken; how do i inspect my PCI bus identifiers? |
| 08:21.29 | deadcat | hahhahaha |
| 08:21.29 | falkon | zinx: working on it |
| 08:21.37 | shingouz | lordmyren: lspci |
| 08:21.51 | bucky | mamrmmmmmaaaa, everybody here is running it already so i guess we're not worried about when it does go officially stable |
| 08:21.55 | zinx | falkon: your generated package will likely provide it |
| 08:21.58 | deadcat | liable: that XinuX dude just /msg me.. so i gues they do know each other |
| 08:22.03 | falkon | zinx: ahh i see |
| 08:22.13 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | ah ok |
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| 08:22.41 | zinx | falkon: do make sure you get "5.0" (1.5) though |
| 08:22.41 | falkon | zinx: do I need blackdown java-linux or something else? |
| 08:22.53 | liable | deadcat: hehe, dont forget, he can still read. /umode +E :) |
| 08:22.58 | zinx | falkon: check what azureus recommends, i forget which it is |
| 08:23.08 | deadcat | liable: ohhhhhhh (= |
| 08:23.12 | falkon | current azureus will want 1.5 |
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| 08:23.28 | mos__ | i doesnt need it though, it runs fine on 1.4 |
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| 08:23.36 | mos__ | it* |
| 08:23.45 | mos__ | just whines about it |
| 08:24.05 | liable | dinnah time. bbl. |
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| 08:24.17 | lordmyren | what is the mouse detect tool? |
| 08:24.20 | KursK | mh I switched to sarge and now remote X does not work anymore. on the client side, I got a "cannot connect to X server", but the client is in xhost on the server, what I am missing? |
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| 08:24.26 | liable | mdetect |
| 08:24.27 | deadcat | lordmyren: mdetect |
| 08:24.38 | jm_ | KursK: X server isn't listening on a TCP port |
| 08:24.39 | deadcat | lordmyren: it doesnt work. |
| 08:24.42 | falkon | zinx: okay, there's two different J2SE 5.0 for linux |
| 08:24.49 | liable | yeah it blows |
| 08:24.52 | falkon | zinx: one is rpm, the other binary |
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| 08:24.58 | jasoncohen | falkon, you need the .bin |
| 08:25.02 | KursK | jm_, okay, is this in /etc/services? |
| 08:25.02 | glar00k | falkon, take the bin |
| 08:25.07 | lordmyren | i dont actually have a mouse. :/ |
| 08:25.11 | jm_ | KursK: no |
| 08:25.16 | hiHi | allow |
| 08:25.21 | eps | I have two mice connected |
| 08:25.24 | lordmyren | dont suppose anyone knows of a pcakge for keyboard mousing? |
| 08:25.31 | lordmyren | i want two mice not connected. ;) |
| 08:25.35 | jm_ | lordmyren: X supports that out of the box |
| 08:25.37 | eps | it is fun :D |
| 08:25.37 | lordmyren | give me my multiple core pointers damn it |
| 08:25.47 | beep | what is this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/ ? |
| 08:25.58 | eps | not even sure why it is working, just plugged one into usb and one into ps2, works nicely :D |
| 08:26.00 | deadcat | beep: april fools joke |
| 08:26.06 | lordmyren | jm_: any hints for where to start googling? |
| 08:26.20 | lordmyren | X keyboard mouse doesnt exactly give google good starting gorunds |
| 08:26.22 | gromf | Has anyone a centrino2 laptop ? |
| 08:26.27 | hackeron | anyone aware of any print servers (as in those little boxes that plug into the network) that are compatible with linux? |
| 08:26.32 | KursK | jm_, so in XFfree86.conf? does not look like... |
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| 08:26.54 | shingouz | hackeron: they all should be if they are connected to the network |
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| 08:27.41 | hackeron | shingouz: hmm, I have a linksys one that requires some sort of special driver |
| 08:27.45 | jm_ | lordmyren: shift+numlock |
| 08:27.56 | jm_ | KursK: no, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 08:28.31 | KursK | jm_, bingo, thx |
| 08:28.48 | gromf | Mage\work, could you help me with my sata drive (again) ? |
| 08:28.53 | sepen | anyone knows "Intergraph Series 6900" ? |
| 08:28.57 | shingouz | hackeron: i doubt it needs any driver. maybe it has some weird and wonderful windows specific config tool but you can do the same with snmp or arp, maybe http or something else too depending on what runs on the server |
| 08:29.03 | KursK | let's restart the bastard |
| 08:29.06 | lordmyren | jm_: X errors out on me for failign to open the core pointer before then |
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| 08:29.19 | AigleDor | what does "jigdo" mean ? |
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| 08:29.23 | jm_ | lordmyren: there's an option to disable that |
| 08:29.41 | shingouz | !tell AigleDor about jigdo |
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| 08:29.53 | rpv_voodoo | hello all! |
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| 08:30.15 | jasoncohen | AigleDor, !jigdo |
| 08:30.24 | jasoncohen | !jigdo |
| 08:30.24 | dpkg | hmm... jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 08:30.35 | rpv_voodoo | kto govorit po russki? |
| 08:30.42 | shingouz | !ru |
| 08:30.42 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 08:30.45 | AigleDor | thnx |
| 08:30.47 | lordmyren | i cant find any other mouse drivers aside from mouse (4) |
| 08:30.50 | beep | rpv_voodoo: #debian-ruusian |
| 08:30.57 | lordmyren | which lists itself as a serial mouse |
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| 08:31.18 | falkon | zink: thank you and everyone else so much |
| 08:31.24 | falkon | azureus, yays |
| 08:31.52 | shingouz | lordmyren: what is it in real life then? |
| 08:32.07 | lordmyren | i dont have one. :( |
| 08:32.11 | shingouz | wow. he is gone |
| 08:32.21 | shingouz | lordmyren: oh. i'll shut up then :) |
| 08:32.38 | lordmyren | i was hoping i could set it up to /dev/input/mice and it'd just kindly work when i did eventually plug something in |
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| 08:33.31 | shingouz | lordmyren: you can actually, you just need to hand-hack the xconfig to say ignore mouse (or something to that extent) the man page has the info |
| 08:33.49 | shingouz | lordmyren: you cannot reconfigure X with dpkg after that though |
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| 08:34.47 | krono | hi debianers |
| 08:34.58 | lordmyren | shingouz: by config you mean XF86Config-4 / xorg.conf? |
| 08:35.08 | shingouz | krono: hash-dweebians ;) |
| 08:35.32 | shingouz | lordmyren: yes. at least xfree has that option, not sure about xorg |
| 08:35.50 | krono | ^^ have a quite trange problem.. concrning startup speed of gtk apps, anyone a clue? |
| 08:36.10 | shingouz | krono: more hints please |
| 08:36.11 | spdf | Any cli browsers that support java? |
| 08:36.21 | krono | hints, kk |
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| 08:36.41 | lordmyren | shingouz: oh, thanks so much!! i'd been all up and down every section of my X conf (xorg.conf) except the right one, got it now though. |
| 08:36.47 | lordmyren | i'd started looking elsewher |
| 08:36.50 | krono | starup of nearly evry gtk-bouznt app up to 1-2 minutes , on an amd64 300+ system |
| 08:36.56 | shingouz | lordmyren: found it? it is there |
| 08:37.07 | shingouz | krono: check swap |
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| 08:37.20 | deconvolution | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.21 | krono | really? i mean, ive got 1G ram ?!? |
| 08:37.25 | lordmyren | yeah, ServerLayout/Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" |
| 08:37.44 | lordmyren | how do i cycle between resolutions in X? |
| 08:37.46 | bucky | lordmyren, debian doesn't use xorg |
| 08:37.46 | shingouz | deconvolution: AC97 is a codec, what is the hardware |
| 08:37.48 | lordmyren | (yay) |
| 08:38.07 | shingouz | lordmyren: ctrl-alt-numpad+/- |
| 08:38.08 | lordmyren | bucky: i dont recall there being a rule against it though |
| 08:38.13 | simonrvn | deconvolution: /proc/asound |
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| 08:38.28 | bucky | lordmyren, what distro are you using? |
| 08:38.42 | shingouz | lordmyren: not a rule just that it is unsupported ;) |
| 08:38.56 | deconvolution | shingouz: I82801DBICH4 |
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| 08:39.07 | krono | shingouz, i mean, i partitioned my hd 3 years ago and me's a bit unwilling to repart, therefpre ive only 128 MB swap.. |
| 08:39.13 | deconvolution | simonrvn: yes, it displays many subfolders |
| 08:39.18 | krono | but does that matter with a gig of ram? |
| 08:39.24 | lordmyren | bucky: mostly just testing. i use a ton of repositories though. |
| 08:39.30 | shingouz | deconvolution: snd-intel8x0 i think it is you need to get in there. alsaconf should be able to do it |
| 08:39.35 | jetscreamer | folder??? |
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| 08:40.02 | bucky | lordmyren, which repository has xorg for testing? |
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| 08:40.36 | shingouz | krono: that might be the problem, at least back then the recommendation was not to assing less swap than you had ram. if you have multiple drives on the system you can put swap on them too |
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| 08:40.52 | lordmyren | bucky: cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@cvs.freedesktop.org:/cvs/xorg co -P xc |
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| 08:41.01 | lordmyren | the best one |
| 08:41.04 | deconvolution | shingouz: I have compiled that driver into the kernel and alsaconf complains it didnt find any pci driver |
| 08:41.17 | krono | shingouz, kk, see if i repart it *hope no data loss* |
| 08:41.28 | shingouz | deconvolution: in the kernel? statically? it should be as a module |
| 08:41.29 | krono | strange thing, all other apps start quite imideately |
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| 08:41.49 | deconvolution | shingouz: so only module is available? |
| 08:41.58 | codecfinder | Hello everyone. How do I found out which video codec a movie file (for example: .avi, .mov, etc) uses? |
| 08:41.59 | lordmyren | any tools for altering refresh rate on X systems? I'm having some issues getting wrokable refresh on this LCD |
| 08:42.02 | shingouz | deconvolution: do you have a custom kernel there? |
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| 08:42.11 | deconvolution | shingouz: yep |
| 08:42.14 | shingouz | !tell codecfinder about marillat |
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| 08:42.28 | shingouz | deconvolution: you need to have alsa as modules or it will not work afaik |
| 08:42.37 | krono | lordmy, do it in the X-coinfig-file.. |
| 08:42.38 | datoch | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.46 | deconvolution | shingouz: thanks , i will try it now |
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| 08:43.01 | shingouz | deconvolution: happy compiling ;) |
| 08:43.11 | krono | lordmyren: its the modes lines and the section for the monitor |
| 08:43.12 | codecfinder | shingouz, i heard about marillat. It's the place to get stuff for media playing, right? PLease tell me more about marillat if it can help me know what codec a moviefile uses. |
| 08:43.20 | shingouz | !tell deconvolution about make-kpkg |
| 08:43.29 | shingouz | codecfinder: yes it is |
| 08:43.30 | lordmyren | krono: i see the line in Section "Monitor", but i have no idea what i should do with it |
| 08:43.47 | shingouz | codecfinder: jsut grab them all from there, you want them all in anycase ;) |
| 08:43.55 | krono | lordmyren: mompl, already tried man XF86Config-4 ?? |
| 08:43.58 | lordmyren | it looks fine to me; my monitor complains about 75KHz horizontal, 60Hz verticle. i dont see what would be wrong with 60hz verticle |
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| 08:44.23 | codecfinder | shingouz, I believe I have grabbed all of them. But what I need is to know what particular codec a movie file has been encoded with. |
| 08:44.32 | lordmyren | krono: yeah, been reading |
| 08:44.36 | krono | lordmyren: got an analog lcd? |
| 08:44.40 | shingouz | lordmyren: i am not sure what to say now, xorg is not on debian yet and most of us here do not even use it meaning that we do now know about it |
| 08:44.57 | lordmyren | krono: yes, sadly |
| 08:45.12 | shingouz | codecfinder: that is pretty much impossible to know afaik, mplayer can use them all |
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| 08:45.19 | krono | lordmyren: hmm. me2 but it works fine.. :/ |
| 08:45.42 | krono | lordmyren: got the refering modelies on your hand? |
| 08:46.07 | codecfinder | shingouz, yes, but with mplayer, sometimes the screen flickers, or it says "unsupported audio". |
| 08:46.16 | lordmyren | i'm digging hrough this windows machine to see if i can find some refresh rates which might work |
| 08:46.27 | shingouz | codecfinder: it may very well be unsupported. where did you get the file from? |
| 08:46.31 | codecfinder | By flicker I mean that horizontal purple lines flash across the screen. |
| 08:46.35 | krono | shingouz: had idea, apart swap, why all apps BUT gtk ones does start quite speedy? |
| 08:46.38 | shingouz | lordmyren: laptop? |
| 08:46.41 | jfa | 10 hours to sarge ! |
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| 08:46.52 | shingouz | krono: not a clue |
| 08:46.57 | jfa | sarge out, of course :-) |
| 08:47.01 | lordmyren | no, my bizarro 1024x600 laptop works just fine straight out of the box oddly enough |
| 08:47.05 | shingouz | jfa: there is no set time when sarge is out |
| 08:47.07 | krono | shingouz: np, but thanks so far.. |
| 08:47.15 | CAiRO | when i select 'german' as language in gdm, it still uses english for the desktop. what could be the problem? why does it offer german as selection when it doesn't support it (it just offers german and english) |
| 08:47.30 | krono | lordmyren: mioght be 70 72 or 75 Hz .. |
| 08:47.33 | lordmyren | its almost like control-alt- +/- arent cycling resolutions.... |
| 08:47.34 | codecfinder | shingouz, it may be unsupported in mplayer, but it works in another player, like Xine. |
| 08:47.39 | simonrvn | set your locale |
| 08:47.41 | shingouz | krono: dont run away, ask the question again in a couple of hours or so, someone else may know the answer |
| 08:47.46 | lordmyren | this monitor is running fine at 60 Hz |
| 08:47.52 | shingouz | codecfinder: hmm... |
| 08:48.06 | sushimako | CAiRO did you install some 'german'-package for gnome? |
| 08:48.07 | spdf | CAiRO, because you're just selecting the language for GDM.. |
| 08:48.14 | jfa | shingouz: yes, it is, i was talking with development group |
| 08:48.18 | sushimako | ok :) |
| 08:48.25 | codecfinder | shingouz, could it be that mplayer doesn't have all possible codecs? (I doubt it. I believe I got all codecs already) |
| 08:48.36 | jfa | shingouz: sarge is update to release version yet in the mirrors 1 |
| 08:48.38 | jfa | shingouz: sarge is update to release version yet in the mirrors ! |
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| 08:48.42 | shingouz | jfa: we all run either sarge or sid here already so it is not o futmost importance to any of us |
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| 08:48.58 | CAiRO | spdf: and why does it ask if i want to make it the default for the next session? that doesn't make sense |
| 08:49.08 | CAiRO | sushimako: no, i didn't |
| 08:49.08 | shingouz | codecfinder: i think mplayer has them all, infact i think xine uses the same codecs |
| 08:49.15 | jfa | shingouz: neither me XDDD |
| 08:49.20 | lordmyren | i'm so glad i'm installing now and not in 3 days. *Shudder* |
| 08:49.32 | lordmyren | my updates have already slowed down noticably |
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| 08:49.38 | shingouz | lordmyren: heh |
| 08:49.41 | jfa | shingouz: but it is good for debian, and for free software worl too ! |
| 08:49.42 | streuner | read /topic |
| 08:49.43 | petemc | CAiRO: you changed the default choice, it asks you would you like to make that change permanent, whats confusing about that? |
| 08:49.50 | simonrvn | have been for the last month |
| 08:49.50 | codecfinder | shingouz, that's odd. If both use the same codecs, then one file that works in one player should work in the other, too, right? |
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| 08:49.52 | shingouz | jfa: yes yes yes yes... |
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| 08:50.10 | shingouz | codecfinder: it should unless you have mplayer running some odd configs |
| 08:50.14 | bucky | I can't run sarge until it goes stable *shock, horror* |
| 08:50.14 | lordmyren | jm_: what was that about shift - numlock keyboard-mousing? |
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| 08:50.26 | codecfinder | shingouz, no not really. No changes in mplayer. |
| 08:50.28 | shingouz | bucky: want to get larted? ;) |
| 08:50.32 | krono | re (bloody scholol -.-) |
| 08:50.35 | iostream | Today is 2005-06-06! :) |
| 08:50.46 | streuner | the day is NOT over yet |
| 08:50.51 | shingouz | ..for crying out loud... |
| 08:51.03 | unsHero | When does gnome 2.10 go into unstable, anyone an idea? |
| 08:51.03 | jim | bucky: it's -pretty- stable now even though it's not -called- stable yet |
| 08:51.10 | jm_ | lordmyren: that's how you move the mouse cursor with keyboard |
| 08:51.12 | bucky | xorg is, especially from cvs, expirimental |
| 08:51.17 | krono | shingouz: think i'll do, if i get my mouse working again. ^^ |
| 08:51.34 | jim | bucky: you could do this now: aptitude -d dist-upgrade |
| 08:51.37 | CAiRO | petemc: well, that's allright with me, it just doesn't change the language of gnome.. i'm getting a guest in 30 minutes and it would be cool if he was able to select his language before logging in |
| 08:51.56 | jim | and the packages will come in, and sit uninstalled on your computer |
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| 08:52.00 | simonrvn | ctrl-shift-numlock to enable/disable keypad mouse |
| 08:52.00 | krono | bucky: why? |
| 08:52.10 | Shadur | Argh. sarge's ipac-ng truncates rule names. |
| 08:52.11 | simonrvn | bucky: uh, right. |
| 08:52.15 | bucky | because it doesn't work for anyone |
| 08:52.16 | codecfinder | shingouz, the reason why i wanted to find out what codec each movie files uses is to see whether my problem is with a particular encoding or not. In other words, if i find out that moviefiles with XYZ encoding don't work with a particular player, then I think this is a good first step in solving the problem. If we can find some pattern, then that's good. Because for now, I don't know what's causing the media playing problems. |
| 08:52.33 | jim | then later, you can run the upgrade without -d |
| 08:52.38 | bucky | and we're supposed to know why |
| 08:52.43 | Shadur | ... For what seems to be a good reason, but it did so silently and in doing so broke a couple of scripts I was using. Argh. |
| 08:52.45 | krono | iirc there were rumors of a joint of Xfree and xorg O.O |
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| 08:52.58 | simonrvn | bucky: so i guess what i built from cvs a few months ago (and removed) is vapourware |
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| 08:53.17 | simonrvn | krono: not bloody likely |
| 08:53.26 | shingouz | codecfinder: i think mplayer reports which codec it uses to decompress at least, you can force it too somehow. do the man even if it is real painful with mplayer |
| 08:53.28 | jim | bucky: the bug tracking system is still covering the bugs, juwt like it will after release |
| 08:53.29 | lordmyren | xorg is considering moving to 6.10 |
| 08:53.31 | liran_ | could someone try sshing to me and tell me if he gets the login? (its runing on port 23) |
| 08:53.33 | krono | not? listened as if... |
| 08:53.46 | lordmyren | (i am on way too many mailing lists) |
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| 08:53.53 | lordmyren | the Xgl work looks /amazing/ |
| 08:53.57 | bucky | we've had two people in here in the last 30 minutes wanting to know why xorg doesn't work... something must be wrong with it |
| 08:54.03 | simonrvn | bucky: right |
| 08:54.07 | krono | :D |
| 08:54.25 | simonrvn | X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Ubuntu 6.8.2-10 20050405154308 root@terranova.warthogs.hbd.com) |
| 08:54.34 | krono | eeh.. |
| 08:54.40 | bucky | eeeewww... |
| 08:54.42 | simonrvn | hmm, vapourware eh? |
| 08:54.42 | jim | bucky: xorg won't work with sarge right away |
| 08:54.43 | codecfinder | shingouz, what do you mean "do the man even if it's painful with mplayer"? Do you mean that reading the manual isn't easy? |
| 08:54.44 | lordmyren | its almost working for me now. except the only keystrokes that work are control-alt-backspace. ;) |
| 08:54.48 | bucky | gayware |
| 08:54.51 | krono | does ubuntu hve xorg as default? |
| 08:54.52 | streuner | bucky: again, those packages arent in debian, so it could exist some problems then... |
| 08:54.56 | lucespo | eeeeww |
| 08:55.01 | shingouz | codecfinder: i mean that the mplayer man page is huge |
| 08:55.09 | streuner | krono: almost every distro have xorg |
| 08:55.14 | lucespo | gugugu :-) |
| 08:55.23 | simonrvn | this is a debian box. only thing left from ubuntu is xorg |
| 08:55.23 | simonrvn | gcc --version |
| 08:55.23 | simonrvn | gcc (GCC) 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-5) |
| 08:55.24 | krono | xept debian huh? |
| 08:55.34 | lucespo | arf arf arf :-) |
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| 08:55.43 | streuner | krono: it goes into debian after sarge is stable, read /topic |
| 08:55.46 | simonrvn | bucky: now do you mind shutting the fuck up? thanks |
| 08:55.46 | shingouz | lucespo: yes yes |
| 08:55.49 | krono | lucespo: sime fish? |
| 08:55.56 | codecfinder | shingouz, oh i see. Maybe if i do a search in the man, i don't have to read every page. Hmmm, maybe I'll do a search for the word "codec" |
| 08:56.04 | bucky | i built xorg and used it... it sucked |
| 08:56.10 | lucespo | krono :-) auuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 08:56.23 | lucespo | wolf wolf wolf |
| 08:56.23 | krono | löl |
| 08:56.36 | jim | lucespo: you're not making a whole lot of sense |
| 08:56.36 | shingouz | libpcp: stop messaging me |
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| 08:56.54 | streuner | simonrvn: one thing, if you running an such complex system like X with other debs not official, its not debian then... |
| 08:57.03 | streuner | anymore |
| 08:57.07 | krono | oh, i'm running a sarge/sid mix atm.., does it mean, a big change when the sare stables and xorg intergation startes.. |
| 08:57.09 | lucespo | jim sorry :-) |
| 08:57.13 | bucky | the dingos ate his baby |
| 08:57.16 | simonrvn | x is the only non-official one |
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| 08:57.28 | codecfinder | shingouz, do all your media files (particulary movie files) work with mplayer, without any problems? |
| 08:57.30 | streuner | yeah, and the kernel? custom? |
| 08:57.33 | lucespo | is sarge released today ? |
| 08:57.37 | streuner | yes |
| 08:57.41 | streuner | read /topic |
| 08:57.41 | shingouz | codecfinder: so far yes |
| 08:57.49 | jim | lucespo: we're thinking, in 10 hours |
| 08:58.06 | lucespo | Yppie :-) |
| 08:58.12 | jim | unless some huge bug comes across that is |
| 08:58.13 | krono | so gonna fix sources.list - links xD |
| 08:58.21 | simonrvn | dinstall time, around 16:00 EDT (n. amerikkka) |
| 08:58.28 | simonrvn | that's my guess |
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| 08:58.40 | simonrvn | shingouz: *shrug* |
| 08:58.53 | krono | btw: any german? |
| 08:58.58 | bucky | lucespo, why haven't you installed sarge already? |
| 08:58.58 | tralala | do we expect to have official dvd images? |
| 08:59.05 | streuner | !de |
| 08:59.05 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 08:59.07 | shingouz | krono: /msg dpkg de |
| 08:59.08 | codecfinder | krono, my friend's german. |
| 08:59.10 | jim | shingouz: the irc release party of course |
| 08:59.22 | shingouz | jim: free beer too? |
| 08:59.44 | krono | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.47 | simonrvn | streuner: it was like this 3 years ago. all fussy and nuts about woody going stable |
| 08:59.49 | tralala | yes, virtual though |
| 08:59.50 | krono | arg, bloody space -.- |
| 08:59.50 | jim | (except lucespo seems to be partying already :) |
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| 09:00.20 | jim | shingouz: mostly free speech |
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| 09:00.31 | shingouz | heh |
| 09:00.37 | jim | you know, undrinkable free beer |
| 09:00.37 | krono | hmm, nobody awakte at debian.de therfpore just asked here out of interest.. |
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| 09:00.52 | shingouz | jim: vaporware in other words |
| 09:01.02 | lordmyren | these gdm themes are kind of weak |
| 09:01.06 | jim | that would be hot beer? |
| 09:01.16 | lordmyren | thanks for the hand holding everyone; its been a long time since i've had to actually /install/ a debian system |
| 09:01.21 | krono | shingouz: don'T exacktly know how tounderstand oO |
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| 09:01.46 | lordmyren | btw, it works now |
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| 09:01.48 | shingouz | krono: huh? #debian.de is the channel for german |
| 09:02.14 | bucky | what time is it in germany? |
| 09:02.14 | krono | shingouz: was there half an hour ago, neraly evreybods asleep ther.. |
| 09:02.18 | krono | 11 am |
| 09:02.25 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | topic |
| 09:02.29 | bucky | the germans are at lunch |
| 09:02.34 | krono | not really |
| 09:02.42 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | ho do i read topic ? |
| 09:02.44 | krono | they'Re not awake yet, i suppose ;) |
| 09:02.51 | tralala | mamrmmmmmaaaa: /topic |
| 09:02.54 | iostream | What time is "debian time" ? :) |
| 09:02.57 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | thansk |
| 09:03.10 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | thanks |
| 09:03.15 | bucky | iostream, everyday is sunday here |
| 09:03.16 | sushimako | Today is Boomtime, the 11st day of Confusion in the YOLD 3171 |
| 09:03.36 | krono | oO whats tha ? |
| 09:03.38 | tralala | !confuse me |
| 09:03.39 | dpkg | No, what is our pants tomorrow, tralala? breeches of the monarchy of belarus with extra crabpaste |
| 09:03.48 | krono | heared this, but didn#t understadn.. |
| 09:03.49 | shingouz | krono: permasunday? |
| 09:04.06 | simonrvn | permamoron |
| 09:04.10 | jethro | good morning #debian |
| 09:04.11 | shingouz | hehe |
| 09:04.14 | iostream | bucky: I see.. So sarge will actually never be released :P |
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| 09:04.17 | shingouz | jethro: welcome to hell |
| 09:04.18 | tralala | !irritate jethro |
| 09:04.19 | dpkg | jethro: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound hello? |
| 09:04.21 | tralala | !confuse jethro |
| 09:04.24 | jethro | heh |
| 09:04.28 | dpkg | No, them are our gerbil today, jethro? trousers of the dictatorship of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 09:04.48 | bucky | iostream, sarge has been "released" for a long time... supposedly it will go stable today |
| 09:04.49 | streuner_ | dpkg, wb jethro |
| 09:04.50 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! jethro has returned! |
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| 09:04.57 | simonrvn | and swiss cheese |
| 09:04.59 | jethro | ne1 can answer my noob q? when will sarge release? |
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| 09:05.07 | streuner_ | today |
| 09:05.08 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 09:05.08 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 09:05.08 | tralala | :))) |
| 09:05.10 | krono | anyone a doku / cource for the dpkg-bot? |
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| 09:05.12 | streuner_ | read /topic ;-) |
| 09:05.12 | iostream | bucky: Yeah.. I know.. :) |
| 09:05.14 | tarzeau | jethro: DAMN YO |
| 09:05.17 | krono | *source |
| 09:05.20 | jethro | tarzeau: HELLO! |
| 09:05.21 | tarzeau | jethro: i'll kick your little dragon ass |
| 09:05.22 | bucky | if you have sarge in sources.list it will maybe upgrade a couple of packages and be "stable" |
| 09:05.28 | jethro | tarzeau: what happened ? |
| 09:05.40 | iostream | bucky: Nope, i'm running stable all the way :) |
| 09:05.43 | shingouz | jethro: Xinux is gone :) |
| 09:05.51 | jethro | tarzeau: did bnb crash the network at ethz?N |
| 09:05.57 | krono | bucky: will ther ebe a testing right away? |
| 09:06.02 | tarzeau | jethro: only my machine. it's back up again |
| 09:06.11 | jethro | tarzeau: nice. :) |
| 09:06.11 | bucky | krono, yes |
| 09:06.16 | CAiRO | hmm, in the kde control center i can only select englsih as language |
| 09:06.19 | krono | ahjo.. |
| 09:06.20 | tarzeau | jethro: you know what that means for tonight? |
| 09:06.24 | jim | bub tends to crash? |
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| 09:06.26 | bucky | called etch.. have you been around for the last few days/ |
| 09:06.26 | CAiRO | how can i achieve that german is selectable, too |
| 09:06.31 | tarzeau | jim: nah, hardware problem |
| 09:06.37 | zu22 | tarzeau: hey man |
| 09:06.40 | jethro | tarzeau: it means I ll have to kick you butt *again* but without bubbling the huge diamods |
| 09:06.45 | jethro | s/you/your/ |
| 09:06.51 | tralala | CAiRO: apt-cache search kde <whatever_language_you_want> |
| 09:06.55 | jethro | s/mods/monds/ |
| 09:07.06 | jim | how soon after debian releases will etch become testing? |
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| 09:07.24 | bucky | immediately |
| 09:07.33 | streuner_ | just in time |
| 09:07.44 | Dashiva | it's release day isn't it |
| 09:07.49 | bucky | about && this_fast |
| 09:07.55 | jim | so the mirrors will be set up for that right away? |
| 09:07.59 | streuner_ | Dashiva: read /topic |
| 09:08.01 | simonrvn | Dashiva: how could you tell? ;p |
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| 09:08.06 | Dashiva | lol |
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| 09:08.09 | iostream | jim: No, not yet i think.. |
| 09:08.10 | jim | I guess once the mirror pulse goes by? |
| 09:08.12 | bucky | jim, do you want it in writting? |
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| 09:08.26 | jim | bucky: sure :) url? :) |
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| 09:08.36 | bucky | i mean a contract |
| 09:08.47 | jim | nono, I don't need that... |
| 09:08.56 | jim | I just want to know what's gonna happen |
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| 09:09.50 | krono | quitte??? |
| 09:10.05 | quitte | yes |
| 09:11.09 | tralala | I'm wondering if the amd64 port will be released as iso images once Sarge is out. |
| 09:11.43 | streuner | no |
| 09:12.02 | tarzeau | zu22! |
| 09:12.02 | homekneet | exim4 config - 01_exim4-config_listmacrodefs - DEBCONF values - where are these stored by the debconf process? They're not in /etc/defaults at least |
| 09:12.08 | krono | hmm ive got a amd64 sys |
| 09:12.14 | streuner | amd64 isnt in sarge, AFAIK, /j #debian-amd64 to get a better answer |
| 09:12.14 | jm_ | homekneet: no, they're not |
| 09:12.22 | tarzeau | zu22: what's up? you want to join us with #bub-n-bros ? |
| 09:13.13 | lucespo | who is zu 22 ? |
| 09:13.13 | jim | why do my bubbles never work? |
| 09:13.14 | tralala | streuner: yes, it isn't but it will be in Etch according to the faq. |
| 09:13.27 | lucespo | is a lamer ? |
| 09:13.37 | TinoW | streuner: are there debian channels for all possible hardware, daytime and kind of question? ;) |
| 09:13.52 | spdf | TinoW, Yep, There's even one for stupid questions ;) |
| 09:13.59 | krono | like debian-sunday? |
| 09:14.04 | tarzeau | jim: you select the key for bubbling wrong? |
| 09:14.04 | homekneet | jm_: so - do you know where they actually are stored? |
| 09:14.05 | tralala | krono: me too, but it's offline (or as close to offline as a dialup system can be) so it's running debian x86 |
| 09:14.08 | jm_ | homekneet: ls /var/cache/debconf |
| 09:14.14 | homekneet | Aha - thx |
| 09:14.21 | tarzeau | jim: you know you must associate 4 keys to the four actions: move left, right, hop and bubble? |
| 09:14.22 | zu22 | tarzeau: #bub-n-bros? eh? :) |
| 09:14.23 | jm_ | homekneet: sorry, I should answer your question properly - yes, I know |
| 09:14.30 | tarzeau | zu22: yeh, http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 09:14.35 | krono | tralala: runnign pure64 oder #normal' stable/sarge? |
| 09:14.40 | spdf | tarzeau, more b-n-b? :) |
| 09:14.42 | jethro | !bubnbrossmite tarzeau |
| 09:14.46 | bucky | tralala, you don't want to do a net install of amd64 ? |
| 09:14.46 | jim | tarzeau: they fire, but they never capture players |
| 09:14.49 | tarzeau | spdf: tonight, yeh |
| 09:14.54 | tarzeau | jim: PEBKAC |
| 09:15.01 | tarzeau | jim: read the manual to the game |
| 09:15.04 | zu22 | tarzeau: ahh :) |
| 09:15.06 | spdf | tarzeau, Oooh.. Is the server going to crash again? lol |
| 09:15.16 | tralala | bucky: did you notice me saying that it's a dialup system? |
| 09:15.21 | jim | they do capture monsters |
| 09:15.27 | iostream | If sarge his released to day, to this mean that the apocolypse has come? |
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| 09:15.29 | bucky | that sucks |
| 09:15.38 | spdf | iostream, The rapture even... |
| 09:15.39 | jethro | tarzeau: feel free to update the bnbsmite, I ran out of ideas |
| 09:15.40 | tralala | indeed |
| 09:15.45 | zu22 | tarzeau: i'd love to play except i want to get some sleep before sun rises in 15 mins hehe |
| 09:16.00 | krono | tralala: pure64? mixed system? |
| 09:16.02 | tralala | krono: 32bit sarge |
| 09:16.03 | iostream | spdf: Yeah, hehe :) |
| 09:16.09 | jim | iostream: only if you've planted apocolyptus trees |
| 09:16.12 | OleMoudi | having testing sources for apt, will I get some major dist-upgrade when sarge is released today? |
| 09:16.16 | bucky | iostream, people think that if it's "stable" it will be easer to install.. me thinks |
| 09:16.28 | zu22 | tarzeau: maybe i can play 1 game :) |
| 09:16.41 | iostream | If it is stable people are alot less worried... |
| 09:16.54 | tralala | krono: I can't do a net install on dialup so I'm waiting to see iso iamges of amd64. |
| 09:16.55 | jim | hahaa :) another addicted fool coming right up :) |
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| 09:17.12 | krono | too bad, tralalal |
| 09:17.15 | krono | -l |
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| 09:17.18 | spdf | BnB is ricrackulous... |
| 09:17.29 | bucky | tralala, how are you going to down load 7 cd's any faster that doing a net install ? |
| 09:17.33 | jim | rice cracker? |
| 09:17.44 | krono | so guys, im leaving, 'll be back in a while, if i get my mouse work.. |
| 09:17.49 | spdf | jim, Ridiculous.. But Crack.. |
| 09:17.55 | tralala | bucky: I'll download them using my dsl connection@work |
| 09:17.59 | jim | bucky: depends on your connection speed |
| 09:18.02 | krono | it fcuked up durin the 32->64-bit change -.- |
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| 09:18.12 | bucky | jim, dial up is dial up |
| 09:18.30 | ethics | does this look right for a fstab entry for a vfat driver for everyone to have rw access? /dev/sdc1 /media/disk2 vfat user 0 2 |
| 09:18.32 | spdf | jim, I often forget that replacing the "dick" part of ridiculous is only funny to me.. (ex. ri-cock-ulous, ri-boner-lous..) |
| 09:18.40 | jm_ | ethics: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 09:19.09 | ethics | jm_, cheers |
| 09:19.16 | homekneet | Hmm - the exim4 config looks at DEBCONFlocal_domainsDEBCONF - which I believe trys to use the dc_local_domains debconf entry - but in debconf's config.dat - dc_local_domains doesn't exist (lots of other exim4 entries do exist). |
| 09:19.31 | krono | auf wiedertschüss, bye bye |
| 09:19.32 | cavediver | Woh.. I'm hoping for a release today. I'm so happy := |
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| 09:19.37 | jim | bucky: aren't you an ftp master or something like that? |
| 09:19.45 | bucky | heck no |
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| 09:21.15 | jim | !away |
| 09:21.15 | dpkg | We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. so please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, as there are over 800 people here. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. in BX, /set auto_away off, /saveirc, or nick changes are just as annoying |
| 09:21.16 | jethro | !tell cfr -about away |
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| 09:23.09 | ethics | and do i need to reboot to pick up new entries in fstab or can i call something? |
| 09:23.33 | jm_ | ethics: of course not |
| 09:23.49 | bucky | jim, do you want to commit something to etch? |
| 09:23.50 | jim | dpkg: you're wrong... there are -less- than 800 people here! |
| 09:23.51 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, jim |
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| 09:24.09 | jim | bucky: not necessisarily |
| 09:24.24 | tralala | ethics: the main reason (and almost only) you need to reboot your debian is when you install new kernel |
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| 09:25.28 | ethics | jm_ tralala yeah i was expecting that but i though maybe FS may be needed as it has my root drives etc also |
| 09:25.50 | zu22 | tarzeau: what server you guys on? |
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| 09:26.22 | ircdevil | has it happended? |
| 09:26.41 | tralala | no |
| 09:26.48 | ircdevil | hrm |
| 09:26.48 | ethics | tralala, jm_, i dont see anything in man fstab about any other progs to fire off...what am i mean t to call to reload fstabs? |
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| 09:26.55 | ircdevil | how about correcting last item in /topic? |
| 09:26.56 | jim | ircdevil: yes! I -did- have eggs earlier! |
| 09:27.01 | umbop | hmm is there a way to use the output of say awk '{print $8}' so i can then use grep $8 /path/to/file i tried xargs but it tries to grep through the file as if $8 is a filename |
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| 09:27.11 | ircdevil | jim: and omelet for breakfast? |
| 09:27.29 | tralala | ethics: umount and then mount again, but only the fs that you care about |
| 09:27.30 | jim | so it didid happenned! |
| 09:27.38 | tarzeau | zu22: not playing now |
| 09:27.48 | tarzeau | zu22: but i have a fast night, tonight :) |
| 09:27.51 | jm_ | ethics: mount |
| 09:27.52 | ethics | mount /media/disk2 |
| 09:27.57 | tarzeau | spdf: i doubt |
| 09:28.05 | zu22 | tarzeau: i went through all that B-A-H ;-) Gotta hit the sack soon hehe. |
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| 09:28.10 | ethics | ? like that?....hmm i should have clicked to that..i do cdroms like that....grrr |
| 09:28.25 | ircdevil | anyone following debian-dev mailing list? how many release critical bugs are left? |
| 09:28.36 | ircdevil | !bugs |
| 09:28.39 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 09:28.54 | Agabus | !bugs |
| 09:28.54 | jim | parse schmarse |
| 09:28.56 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
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| 09:29.10 | tarzeau | zu22: b a h? you there after 7 hours? |
| 09:29.18 | tarzeau | ircdevil: none. |
| 09:29.38 | ircdevil | tarzeau: ah - so whats holding up? |
| 09:29.52 | tarzeau | ircdevil: nothing, i think some mirrors have it already :) |
| 09:30.10 | zu22 | tarzeau: depends how much my brain wants to sleep - indeterminate :) if i am i'll drop by the channel |
| 09:30.14 | ircdevil | tarzeau: who will make the decleration? |
| 09:30.20 | tarzeau | ircdevil: my mom |
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| 09:30.41 | ircdevil | tarzeau: cool - is that martin shultze ? :o) |
| 09:30.50 | jim | I didn't know Deb was your mom :)' |
| 09:31.21 | Agabus | after sarge, how long till stuff like x.org for example get packages for unstable and testing? |
| 09:31.23 | zu22 | tarzeau: the dragons look happy :P |
| 09:31.31 | ethics | hmm intrestingly parted wont mkfs fat32 on the partition.. |
| 09:31.41 | tarzeau | zu22: haha just wait until i kick your dragons ass :) |
| 09:31.43 | jim | Agabus: xorg, depends on branden |
| 09:31.45 | ethics | no error just nothing under filesystem after doing it |
| 09:31.57 | Agabus | jim - branden? |
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| 09:32.16 | jim | the DPL |
| 09:32.23 | jim | and the x maint |
| 09:32.23 | Agabus | the DPL? |
| 09:32.26 | Agabus | oh k |
| 09:32.31 | CAiRO | hmm, now after installing kde-i18n-de i can add german as language in the control center but it doesn't appear in the list of selectable language, no matter how often i press the 'add language' button |
| 09:33.06 | |ryan| | dpkg: bugs is http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 09:33.07 | dpkg | error: could not parse is http://bugs.debian.org/ |
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| 09:33.33 | jim | CAiRO: languages aren't just for kde |
| 09:33.41 | ryan- | dpkg: all your base is belong to us |
| 09:33.42 | dpkg | ryan-: what are you talking about? |
| 09:33.47 | ryan- | bah.... |
| 09:33.56 | jim | maybe you should find a more general package, or generate the locale or something |
| 09:34.12 | ryan- | botsnax! |
| 09:34.27 | tralala | !botsnack |
| 09:34.33 | jim | !botsmack |
| 09:34.52 | tralala | :) |
| 09:34.53 | zu22 | tarzeau: hehe |
| 09:35.03 | silverton | Does an ethernet device transfer statistics roll over at 4GB ? |
| 09:35.14 | silverton | or, 4000Mb |
| 09:35.20 | silverton | MB |
| 09:35.22 | iostream | Packet filtering can be done with netfilter/iptables, what about traffic shapping? |
| 09:35.42 | jim | there used to be a shaper module |
| 09:35.44 | CAiRO | jim: the language i adjust in the contol center aren't just for kde? |
| 09:35.45 | iostream | silverton: Yes, it is bug, i think, google has an answer somewhere |
| 09:35.53 | Bols_ | hmm.. could someone start the countdown before sarge release, plz? |
| 09:35.54 | chrizz | iostream: iproute |
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| 09:35.58 | silverton | Is it going to be fixed any time soon? |
| 09:36.01 | CAiRO | jim: even if that's the case, how does that help me? |
| 09:36.15 | chrizz | iostream: take a look at www.lartc.org |
| 09:36.22 | tralala | iostream: http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 09:36.32 | umbop | hmm how can if i have used awk use $8 as a item i want to search for via grep in a file i.e. awk '{print $8}' | xargs grep $1 /path/to/file |
| 09:36.34 | iostream | chrizz, tralala: thanks |
| 09:36.37 | umbop | kind of thing, but obviously that doesn't work |
| 09:36.50 | jim | CAiRO: by letting you know that maybe there are other -non- kde packages involving i18n you have to determine, locate and install |
| 09:37.10 | jim | or locales you have to generate |
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| 09:37.26 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 09:39.27 | iostream | silverton: http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2002-April/002462.html |
| 09:39.42 | ethics | and if i want to creat an alias for the so i can just mount the nickname...ie mountcdrom is that a link somewhere? |
| 09:39.57 | ryan- | !botsnax |
| 09:40.02 | ethics | for the devices |
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| 09:40.20 | CAiRO | argh, gnome or kde desktop is just the same shit as windows, if you need something, it never works.. this is ridiculous, i can't get any of the desktops, neither gnome nor kde to display german language even though both offer a selector to choose it |
| 09:40.26 | jethro | ethics: alias cdmount='mount /dev/cdrom' |
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| 09:40.41 | ryan- | silverton: yeah, due to the counter being a 32 bit uint |
| 09:40.41 | ethics | jethro, cheers |
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| 09:40.49 | saloxin | iostream: http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ :-) |
| 09:40.59 | TinoW | CAiRO: well, it tries best to mimic ;) |
| 09:41.03 | jim | CAiRO: x as a whole is really a side point... in that way, it is like win |
| 09:41.12 | ryan- | silverton: not likely that anyone will bothe fixing it |
| 09:41.13 | silverton | so, there is no cure? |
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| 09:41.21 | silverton | that sucks.. |
| 09:41.21 | iostream | saloxin: Ahh great, and its even in debian! |
| 09:41.25 | jethro | ethics: 'help alias' for more details |
| 09:41.33 | jethro | ethics: in a shell, that is |
| 09:41.51 | silverton | If I have uptimes of 30+ days, I wanna know the total amount of data transferred in that time period, rofl |
| 09:41.53 | CAiRO | jim: that's nothing to do with X, that's gnome and kde.. with my custom xsession, i have control over everthing but i cant expect a normal user to mess around in xsession files, he wants to select his language on login |
| 09:41.53 | ryan- | silverton: write a program to monitor it. |
| 09:42.03 | ryan- | silverton: or use one |
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| 09:42.13 | ethics | jethro so in bash i do that np is it auto permanent? |
| 09:42.13 | tralala | CAiRO: doesn't work and *I* cannot configure it are two quite different things |
| 09:42.17 | ryan- | silverton: or use iptables for accounting |
| 09:42.25 | ryan- | it has 64 bit counters. |
| 09:42.32 | jethro | ethics: to have it permanent, you need to declare it in .bashrc |
| 09:42.56 | CAiRO | tralala: it's the same, there isn't much to know about the gdm language selector |
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| 09:43.03 | ethics | jethro cool cool thx |
| 09:43.04 | jethro | ethics: otherwise, it's only valid for the shell you typed it in. |
| 09:43.14 | CAiRO | tralala: works and might work in some cases are 2 different things :P |
| 09:43.21 | ryan- | silverton: iptables -I INPUT;iptables -I OUTPUT |
| 09:43.28 | saloxin | iostream: :-) - I use it wwith some mods to share 1 adsl between 20 users.. it works :-) |
| 09:43.39 | iostream | saloxin: great :) |
| 09:43.42 | jim | isn't it time you learned the shell? info bash for details |
| 09:43.53 | silverton | ryan-, so, now, it'll report in 64 bit? |
| 09:43.58 | ryan- | no |
| 09:44.01 | silverton | oh... |
| 09:44.13 | ryan- | silverton: you can use iptables -vL to see after you do that |
| 09:44.22 | petemc | CAiRO: id be pretty sure you would have to have the lamguage support set up in the os before GDM could select it |
| 09:44.32 | petemc | s/lam/lan/ |
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| 09:44.52 | seeker | ahem...where is the sarge release going to be announced ? |
| 09:45.01 | liable | hmm, that made me think of ham, mmmmm pork. |
| 09:45.03 | ryan- | iptables isn't just for packet filtering, you know ;) |
| 09:45.26 | liable | seeker: when it is. |
| 09:45.34 | seeker | no idea |
| 09:45.37 | ryan- | CAiRO: ever tried xfce? |
| 09:45.39 | seeker | i'm seeking :) |
| 09:45.41 | liable | seeker: erm, nm, sorry misread |
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| 09:45.56 | jim | seeker: mostly in Las Vegas, Nevada and Santa Fe, New Mexico |
| 09:46.11 | seeker | on IRC ? |
| 09:46.15 | jim | no one else can kno! |
| 09:46.21 | ryan- | seeker: on slashdot |
| 09:46.26 | ryan- | all hail slashdot. |
| 09:46.41 | liable | really who cares, it releases when it releases. |
| 09:46.57 | jim | the mirror admins care, that's who |
| 09:47.02 | liable | it is a big deal, but its also not. |
| 09:47.03 | seeker | umm.. it's going to be an event .. |
| 09:47.14 | ryan- | I read slashdot yesterday, and shortly after that I got laid. Conicidance!? I think not! |
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| 09:47.16 | seeker | once in so many years :) |
| 09:47.27 | CAiRO | petemc: i can select it, just nothing happens after selection german.. and that's even worse from the point of a user |
| 09:47.32 | jim | just like you typing "umm.. it's going to be an event .." is an event |
| 09:47.35 | CAiRO | ryan-: good idea, thanks for the hint, i'll try it |
| 09:47.52 | liable | jim: so being 12-48 hours late will cause absolute chaos? |
| 09:47.58 | jim | when was the last time you typed that? :) |
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| 09:48.05 | liable | jim: for mirror maintainers? |
| 09:48.27 | jim | liable: no, the sheer bandwidth spike will be |
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| 09:48.49 | ryan- | CAiRO: I run xfce on my laptop. it's at a good place on the usefulness:bloat ratio. |
| 09:49.04 | jim | people should pick a time before the release and upgrade their older sarges |
| 09:49.05 | silverton | I was saddened... |
| 09:49.05 | petemc | CAiRO: the harsh reality is, debian isnt perfect and you need to have a good understanding of how things work to, ermm, make them work |
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| 09:49.44 | deb-fun | hi folks ! |
| 09:49.55 | deb-fun | Can sarge be out today ? |
| 09:49.57 | liable | petemc: well said, I think.... |
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| 09:50.08 | liable | petemc: :) |
| 09:50.10 | petemc | :) |
| 09:50.12 | ryan- | saloxin: pfft, I've shared an ADLS line with over 200 users. |
| 09:50.15 | jim | deb-fun: we expect so |
| 09:50.17 | grouldZ | so 3.1 comes out tomorrow? |
| 09:50.24 | _joey | we should have count down bot for debian releases here |
| 09:50.28 | liable | maybe, maybe not |
| 09:50.42 | jethro | !lart openldap |
| 09:50.56 | silverton | kinky |
| 09:50.58 | liable | oooh, lart me :) |
| 09:51.04 | saloxin | ryan-: hehe :-) wanna share your traffic shaping? |
| 09:51.11 | jim | how did dpkg know openldap isn't female |
| 09:51.22 | deb-fun | well, no body knows exactly when sargs is out ! |
| 09:51.26 | deb-fun | hehe |
| 09:51.37 | ryan- | saloxin: I would, but I did it at work, and can't share. |
| 09:51.39 | jim | the present estimate is 10 hours |
| 09:51.45 | saloxin | ryan-: ok :-( |
| 09:51.54 | jim | or maybe 9 hours by now |
| 09:51.59 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.59 | silverton | how many RC bugs now? |
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| 09:52.08 | deb-fun | 25 |
| 09:52.09 | jim | check the bts :) |
| 09:52.15 | jim | 25? |
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| 09:52.17 | silverton | that's more then two days ago! |
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| 09:52.22 | ryan- | saloxin: it involved creating several queues for each user. massive PITA, heh.] |
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| 09:52.27 | iostream | On http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ why is there not a list containing *only* RC bugs for sarge? |
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| 09:52.36 | deb-fun | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 09:52.39 | krono | hi & moin moin |
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| 09:53.11 | liable | !irritate jethro |
| 09:53.12 | dpkg | jethro: hi every1 how does I run teh edonkey kthx |
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| 09:53.27 | evilmeow | haha |
| 09:53.28 | evilmeow | dpkg++\ |
| 09:53.31 | liable | jethro: cause I know you want it. :) |
| 09:53.42 | jim | that graph doesn't tell me whether I should buy or sell! |
| 09:53.44 | med2 | hello all |
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| 09:53.56 | deb-fun | iostream, Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 25 |
| 09:53.58 | ryan- | saloxin: the ipmark extension for iptables was usefull |
| 09:54.06 | med2 | encountered an installation problem |
| 09:54.24 | ryan- | saloxin: as well as the MARK-operations stuff. |
| 09:54.25 | iostream | deb-fun: I know, but what packages? |
| 09:54.42 | med2 | x server & dm didn't initiate |
| 09:54.45 | med2 | no dm |
| 09:54.55 | saloxin | ryan-: :) I only addad a class for "bulk traffic, but still nice" aka http/smtp/imap, so they go before normal bulk. no per user queues.. |
| 09:55.00 | liable | med2: errors please |
| 09:55.05 | med2 | I think x server options not fine |
| 09:55.10 | deb-fun | iostream, I dunno either |
| 09:55.13 | jim | med2: so is that related to how you set up x? |
| 09:55.18 | med2 | used ATI Radeon driver option |
| 09:55.21 | sdb__ | jim: buy, obviously! |
| 09:55.40 | med2 | I think didn't work well |
| 09:55.42 | jim | so what's the green and red lines mean |
| 09:55.45 | liable | !tell med2 about !drxx |
| 09:55.46 | seeker | deb-fun, according to Mr. Steve McIntyre (http://blog.einval.com/2005/06/05#sarge-almost-there) - "We're in the middle of CD building now" |
| 09:55.58 | med2 | entered login |
| 09:56.03 | med2 | but no dm |
| 09:56.08 | med2 | tried 3 dms |
| 09:56.14 | seeker | i guess those RCs dont matter |
| 09:56.15 | med2 | nothing worked |
| 09:56.31 | petemc | med2: the display cant function without a working x config |
| 09:56.35 | liable | med2: so you get to a graphical log in screen? |
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| 09:56.41 | petemc | display manager |
| 09:56.42 | deb-fun | iostream, Detailed lists of RC bug reports:....... |
| 09:56.47 | med2 | not graphical screen |
| 09:56.48 | ryan- | saloxin: yeah, i didn't really nead per-user queues to keep things sane till it got above 50 users. |
| 09:56.50 | liable | med2: or console? |
| 09:56.55 | med2 | console |
| 09:57.08 | med2 | typed kdm |
| 09:57.10 | liable | med2: 'startx' whats the errors? |
| 09:57.19 | saloxin | ryan-: thanks for the tip, will keep it in mind as the network grows |
| 09:57.48 | robin_sz | OK, say my debian box crashed, and I know when ... apart from /var/log/messages, where else can I look for clues? |
| 09:58.01 | ryan- | saloxin: also depends on the user base. |
| 09:58.03 | iostream | Crap, I did it again :S... iptables -F (with default policy DROP) |
| 09:58.05 | med2 | typed gdm or any dm , said configuration of x-server is not valid or kindda like this |
| 09:58.09 | ryan- | our users are mostly college students |
| 09:58.18 | sdb__ | jim: green will go shooting up after sarge is released ;) |
| 09:58.20 | med2 | try reconfigure x-serv |
| 09:58.21 | liable | med2: 'startx' |
| 09:58.23 | jim | robin_sz: other files in /var/log |
| 09:58.34 | jim | but what's it all mean? |
| 09:58.39 | liable | med2: whats the errors |
| 09:58.51 | sdb__ | IIUC, green is RC bugs that targetted for sarge |
| 09:58.59 | deb-fun | seeker, yeah, i hope ! :-) |
| 09:59.08 | sdb__ | I think red is RC bugs in general, not sure |
| 09:59.11 | jim | those seem to have fallen off completely |
| 09:59.18 | sdb__ | yup! |
| 09:59.20 | med2 | couldn't start x-serv ; but gonna test the command startx now |
| 09:59.22 | sdb__ | that's the idea :) |
| 09:59.34 | med2 | excuse me .........rebooting |
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| 09:59.41 | liable | med2: no |
| 09:59.45 | liable | bah |
| 09:59.49 | ryan- | they like to get infected with worms, leech 20 files at once off kazza, bittorrent and gnutella, and lisen to streaming audio, and play FPSs which got to shit at the first sign of lag. |
| 09:59.56 | jim | nobah? |
| 10:00.05 | liable | yep :) |
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| 10:00.34 | liable | reminds me, refill needed :) |
| 10:00.44 | ryan- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.47 | jim | mobah! |
| 10:00.52 | ryan- | I do not think i will be sleeping tonight |
| 10:00.56 | liable | mybar |
| 10:01.06 | liable | my, bar |
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| 10:01.16 | warhead | hello |
| 10:01.21 | jim | hi |
| 10:01.22 | liable | my drink is empty, to the bar. |
| 10:01.34 | zOap | !d-no |
| 10:01.34 | dpkg | somebody said d-no was Den norske debian kanalen #debian-no, for skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel for scandinavian users. #debian-no |
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| 10:02.09 | visik7 | hi guys |
| 10:02.25 | deb-fun | _joey, http://people.debian.org/~joey/stuff/debian-announce.txt |
| 10:02.29 | deb-fun | hehe |
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| 10:02.38 | warhead | I have Win2000 server with scsi-mirror hd, win is breakdown,Now I put knoppix on server, but how to mount raid disk on knoppix? |
| 10:02.39 | visik7 | I know that there's a command (apt or dpkg) that show me which packages are without repository |
| 10:02.48 | deb-fun | so, ready for announce |
| 10:02.50 | visik7 | but I don't rember what's the command |
| 10:03.27 | visik7 | warhead maybe you'll have more success with bart'sPE win livecd |
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| 10:04.44 | ethics | warhead software raid? |
| 10:04.56 | warhead | visik7 > I don't have bart 'sPE win livecd', now I need fast help... |
| 10:05.16 | Grant_ | ok so am i suppose to change the apt-get name from sarge to the new name? |
| 10:05.22 | warhead | ethics > No, Hardware raid |
| 10:05.29 | Grant_ | etch? |
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| 10:05.35 | ethics | warhead what controller" |
| 10:05.40 | jim | warhead: first you would need a driver for the interface used for the raid |
| 10:05.45 | liable | warhead: well, you have a borked windows server, which you are trying to fix with knoppix, why come to #debian? |
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| 10:06.32 | jim | warhead: (good point liable) gonna install debian? :) |
| 10:06.37 | warhead | jim > Knoppix have module for my raid (detect at start) |
| 10:06.44 | liable | jim: hehe :) |
| 10:06.49 | jim | do you know its name? |
| 10:07.15 | ethics | warhead then it's just a moutn command....if your on ntfs.which i expect you are tho all you can do is rip the data off it.... |
| 10:07.16 | jim | (that's just because they compiled the kernel with that driver) |
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| 10:07.25 | warhead | liable > I try mount disk under knoppix, and copy over network on another PC |
| 10:07.41 | jim | warhead: worked? |
| 10:07.54 | warhead | jim > no |
| 10:08.01 | jim | any idea why? |
| 10:08.34 | jim | and what was it that failed? the mount? the transfer? |
| 10:08.52 | ethics | !pass jim a spoon 8) |
| 10:08.58 | warhead | jim > when I boot knoppix I have ccic/c0d0 device (with /proc/partitions) |
| 10:09.10 | warhead | jim > Faild to mount |
| 10:09.24 | jim | ok, what was the fail message? |
| 10:09.57 | warhead | jim > moment....I go read |
| 10:10.05 | jim | (maybe knoppix didn't have ntfs support? |
| 10:10.06 | jim | ) |
| 10:10.12 | mutante | i "apt-get installed" apache2, but it didnt create the /usr/local/apache2 directory, even though it says so on the manpage |
| 10:10.17 | ethics | spoon firmly inserted.... |
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| 10:10.34 | liable | maybe its not fucking relevent here? |
| 10:10.34 | jim | mutante: debian packages may not touch /usr/local |
| 10:10.37 | ethics | mutante, prolly /var/www/ |
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| 10:11.14 | liable | warhead: go joina windows server help channel ffs |
| 10:11.19 | visik7 | any clue ? |
| 10:11.26 | mutante | ethics: i got "/var/www/apache2-default" but there are only index.html files and not the configs |
| 10:11.38 | ethics | mutante...dpkg -s or dpks -S package nemae shows where they go |
| 10:11.43 | mutante | thanks |
| 10:11.55 | simonrvn | mutante: you wouldn't put the confs in a world readable dir anyway... |
| 10:11.59 | jim | liable: he's moving and movable towards debian... so we shoudl at least try |
| 10:12.07 | simonrvn | not web accessible anyway |
| 10:12.29 | jim | nothing else going on here except for the occasional "WOOF WOOF!" |
| 10:12.34 | ethics | mutante: /etc/apache2 for confs but try dpkg -sS so you learn for future 8) |
| 10:12.43 | simonrvn | -S |
| 10:12.50 | jim | dpkg --help too |
| 10:13.12 | visik7 | how can I get the list of packages without a repository ? |
| 10:13.18 | baz | 11:12 < simonrvn> not web accessible anyway |
| 10:13.22 | baz | er |
| 10:13.23 | baz | oops |
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| 10:13.31 | ethics | visik7 get a piece of strign Y cm long |
| 10:13.45 | jim | Y? |
| 10:13.46 | visik7 | ethics uh ? |
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| 10:13.57 | simonrvn | beecuzz |
| 10:14.06 | jim | oh :) |
| 10:14.13 | liable | jim: you sure that he wants to instal debian? my take is, he's using knoppix to try to fix a fucked windows server. |
| 10:14.14 | ethics | visik7, how can when tell you whats not pagaked? |
| 10:14.24 | simonrvn | i shouldn't stoop down to moron level though |
| 10:14.36 | simonrvn | s/moron/$speak/ |
| 10:14.46 | mutante | ethics: thanks for the -S hint,got it, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf , so its not called "httpd.conf" anymore and i was searchign for that |
| 10:14.50 | ethics | grr cold hand sucks cant typ ein sync |
| 10:15.04 | jim | liable: which is a valid use... if he succeeds, maybe that would show him that moving to linux on the server might be a good thing |
| 10:15.08 | visik7 | ethics I mean packages that are installed but hasn't a repository, e.g. getting a package from sid and recompile it on sarge |
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| 10:15.36 | simonrvn | mutante: there is one, but it's kept for the local admin's use (httpd.conf) |
| 10:15.37 | warhead | jim > please..moment...another admin is on server... |
| 10:15.49 | jim | we're not going to help because this is a temporary usage? :) |
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| 10:15.55 | ethics | visik7, still a very hard question hehe |
| 10:16.19 | liable | jim: ok, bite me. :( |
| 10:16.21 | simonrvn | visik7: it will still show up locally, regardless |
| 10:16.30 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | I got a doubt: On a production server I installed sarge and in the sources.list there is testing. When sarge will become stable do I have do change testing whith stable ? |
| 10:16.36 | simonrvn | via apt-cache or dpkg |
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| 10:16.50 | jim | mamrmmmmmaaaa: you can change that to sarge now |
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| 10:17.08 | Grant_ | dont think i got a reply back but am i changing my sources.list to say etch? |
| 10:17.09 | joel_ | is sarge out? |
| 10:17.15 | simonrvn | mamrmmmmmaaaa: yeh, change it to sarge now before you get flooded with other packages |
| 10:17.16 | ethics | tgf tab complete |
| 10:17.23 | visik7 | simonrvn yes I know I need to use one of that commands but dunno how , and grepping the man with repository didn't help me |
| 10:17.27 | jim | Grant_: etch doesn't exist yet |
| 10:17.34 | med2 | xserver prob |
| 10:17.38 | silverton | with jigdo, can I specify the files I want to download? |
| 10:17.38 | visik7 | for example show this: |
| 10:17.39 | visik7 | dpatch: |
| 10:17.39 | visik7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.39 | visik7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.39 | visik7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.39 | visik7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:17.41 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | mmm, but is'nt bettero to have stable ? |
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| 10:17.46 | med2 | startx |
| 10:17.48 | visik7 | sorry |
| 10:17.51 | simonrvn | visik7: it would help to explain what exactly you want to do, first |
| 10:17.53 | Grant_ | hrm |
| 10:17.53 | med2 | said warning |
| 10:18.00 | Grant_ | when shal it exist jim? |
| 10:18.08 | simonrvn | don't paste here please |
| 10:18.15 | jim | mamrmmmmmaaaa: do you want to stick with sarge? or what do you want to do? |
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| 10:18.18 | med2 | didn't detect my Radeon 9200 se 128mb agp 8x |
| 10:18.20 | visik7 | simonrvn you see dpatch has no remote repository |
| 10:18.33 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | I want to have the sable version |
| 10:18.35 | med2 | th I chosed to install ati drivers |
| 10:18.38 | simonrvn | no i didn't since you got the boot |
| 10:18.39 | ethics | mamrmmmmmaaaa, woody is stable also...going to distro names for stables and testing = etch i think it was |
| 10:18.44 | visik7 | simonrvn I want to know which packages are without a remote repository |
| 10:18.44 | jim | currently, stable is woody |
| 10:18.45 | jim | that' |
| 10:18.50 | liable | med2: try vesa driver |
| 10:18.51 | simonrvn | etch isn't testing yet |
| 10:18.53 | jim | that's what you want now? |
| 10:19.15 | med2 | liable:how to change it |
| 10:19.16 | med2 | ? |
| 10:19.19 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | so the better is to have the name of the release ? instead of the status ? |
| 10:19.23 | med2 | from conso;e |
| 10:19.26 | med2 | console |
| 10:19.31 | ethics | mamrmmmmmaaaa, in this case yes |
| 10:19.35 | jim | mamrmmmmmaaaa: it depends on what you want! |
| 10:19.52 | jim | (which you havn't said yet) |
| 10:19.54 | simonrvn | visik7: ah.. hmm, i don't know for sure. you'd have to carefully look in the man pages, or google, or ask a DD |
| 10:19.56 | liable | med2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root. |
| 10:20.07 | simonrvn | visik7: oh, wait |
| 10:20.08 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | jim what do you mean when you say "depends... " |
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| 10:20.25 | med2 | ok Now I am logged in as a rooot I should type ........? |
| 10:20.26 | jim | mamrmmmmmaaaa: what are you running now? |
| 10:20.35 | simonrvn | visik7: dselect and aptitude can show this. just look for 'obsolete or locally built packages' |
| 10:20.37 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | now I got sarge |
| 10:20.38 | Grant_ | i heard etch was been released today |
| 10:20.39 | liable | med2: ^^ |
| 10:20.40 | Grant_ | what happened?> |
| 10:20.40 | Grant_ | ? |
| 10:20.48 | med2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.50 | med2 | rt? |
| 10:20.53 | liable | yes |
| 10:20.55 | jim | mamrmmmmmaaaa: ok, what do you want to happen when sarge goes stable? |
| 10:21.07 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | I want to still have sarge |
| 10:21.16 | simonrvn | visik7: man aptitude, man dselect |
| 10:21.16 | med2 | gonna test it |
| 10:21.25 | med2 | thank u very much |
| 10:21.28 | med2 | rebooting |
| 10:21.29 | jim | mamrmmmmmaaaa: ok, for now the best thing to do is put sarge in your sources.list |
| 10:21.30 | visik7 | simonrvn I know but I'd like to have it non interactivly |
| 10:21.31 | med2 | .. |
| 10:21.35 | jim | because you have sarge now |
| 10:21.36 | ethics | grant etc is enterin gtesting once sarge goes stable...its not going to be a bang you have etch its only going to start in testing |
| 10:21.42 | jim | and you want to keep sarge |
| 10:21.53 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | jim ok |
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| 10:22.08 | jim | so, that depended on what you wanted |
| 10:22.11 | Grant_ | lol |
| 10:22.13 | Grant_ | awww |
| 10:22.14 | jim | !dict depend |
| 10:22.16 | dpkg | Dictionary 'depend' (3 of 11): Heaven forming each on other to depend. --Pope. ;; The truth of God's word dependeth not of the truth of the congregation. --Tyndale. ;; You will not think it unnatural that those who have an object depending, which strongly engages their hopes and fears, should be somewhat inclined to superstition. --Burke.. |
| 10:22.18 | simonrvn | visik7: ok. check the manuals anyway, might be able to do that via scripting or some other package |
| 10:22.20 | Grant_ | ok |
| 10:22.23 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | jim so you mean that whene the next release will go stable I'll have to put the new name ? |
| 10:22.39 | liable | hah, yes in 10 years |
| 10:22.52 | jim | mamrmmmmmaaaa: yes, but that won't happen in 10 hours :) |
| 10:22.53 | liable | :) |
| 10:22.53 | ethics | mamrmmmmmaaaa, can do it now its in place already |
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| 10:23.14 | ethics | mamrmmmmmaaaa, on the debian ones anyways |
| 10:23.28 | jim | that had nothing to do with the definition of "depend" |
| 10:23.38 | Ragezor | hi |
| 10:23.43 | Ragezor | can i ask something |
| 10:23.50 | jim | you just did |
| 10:23.57 | Ragezor | i have problems with adsl |
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| 10:24.03 | liable | mamrmmmmmaaaa: once sarge is actually stable, you can change your sources to stable instead of sarge, then when etch is stable its updated. |
| 10:24.39 | ethics | liable woody is going to live on for a while tho yah? |
| 10:24.42 | jim | mamrmmmmmaaaa: and depending on whether you want or don't want to be surprised by that... |
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| 10:24.56 | lewis | liable: nothing wrong with having sarge in your sources all the time though, is there? |
| 10:25.07 | jim | sure, you should be able to get all the dists |
| 10:25.08 | liable | ethics: yes, but it wont be stable eh? |
| 10:25.19 | jim | it's released |
| 10:25.23 | doub | ethics: it won't have official security updates anymore |
| 10:25.24 | jim | it's stable :) |
| 10:25.27 | Ragezor | i make pppoeconf and make pppoe on eth0 write my username and password then i make ps x and show line wich ends witch call-dslprovider but adsl still dont work.. |
| 10:25.27 | simonrvn | Ragezor: that's not a question, that's a statement |
| 10:25.28 | jim | it won't ever change |
| 10:25.34 | visik7 | simonrvn ok thank you |
| 10:25.35 | jim | now THAT is stability |
| 10:25.39 | ethics | lewis its a symlink on the ftp so unless they move stuff and forgwt to make a link it should be fine |
| 10:25.46 | liable | lewis: god, no, I'm talking like 5 years from now when etch becomes stable. |
| 10:25.46 | sdb__ | will "stable" mean sarge or woody, after the release? |
| 10:25.53 | jim | sarge |
| 10:26.43 | Ragezor | i cant ping |
| 10:26.43 | jim | release means "released as stable: |
| 10:26.43 | Ragezor | ? |
| 10:26.43 | jim | Ragezor: can you ping your dsl modem by numeric ip? |
| 10:26.43 | jim | can you ping your gateway? |
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| 10:26.51 | Ragezor | didnt test |
| 10:26.54 | krono`working | err, what happened? quit-party? |
| 10:27.04 | jim | spit nlet |
| 10:27.16 | jim | err |
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| 10:27.32 | jim | nes tplit |
| 10:27.37 | liable_ | bah |
| 10:27.42 | jim | nobah! |
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| 10:27.54 | Ragezor | jim i try ping my ip and that returns 0ms |
| 10:27.54 | liable_ | bah bah |
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| 10:27.59 | Ragezor | but i cant ping nothing form outside |
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| 10:28.24 | jim | hmm, broke 800 finally |
| 10:28.27 | liable_ | !test |
| 10:28.28 | dpkg | Sorry, liable_, I didn't get your test. |
| 10:28.35 | liable_ | good |
| 10:28.59 | krono`working | xD netsplit + join , nich zu fassen.. |
| 10:29.50 | liable_ | !de |
| 10:29.50 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 10:29.50 | jim | wtF are they doing that now for? |
| 10:29.50 | krono`working | liable_: i know, but scnr , when i saw this split,, |
| 10:29.59 | krono`working | tzz. |
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| 10:30.13 | krono`working | the servers are playing pong, maybe |
| 10:30.34 | jim | well, netsplits are usually triggered |
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| 10:31.04 | Skyblaze | is there any packages to install java awt toolkit in sid? |
| 10:31.06 | krono`working | whatfor? |
| 10:31.25 | jim | Skyblaze: look into java-package |
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| 10:32.02 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 10:32.03 | krono`working | ack |
| 10:32.03 | simonrvn | :) |
| 10:32.17 | krono`working | is there maintainace-time or what? |
| 10:32.24 | jim | I guess they're preparign for the doom and demise which is the debian release party |
| 10:32.25 | ryan- | that was a netsplit |
| 10:32.48 | jim | that was lots of netsplits |
| 10:32.48 | krono`working | akay.. |
| 10:32.48 | ryan- | it happened because frenode needs more money |
| 10:32.58 | ryan- | please donate to freenode, and help stop netsplits. |
| 10:33.02 | krono`working | time for that "paty" scheduled |
| 10:33.18 | krono`working | ryan-: if i had some.. |
| 10:33.48 | ryan- | krono`working: Sell a kidney. |
| 10:33.57 | ryan- | You don't need it.... |
| 10:34.08 | krono`working | err, not allowed in germany :P |
| 10:34.11 | ralf | again.. |
| 10:34.25 | jim | well I can't help that guy at the moment so I'm going to the store :P |
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| 10:34.43 | ryan- | krono`working: wuss. |
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| 10:34.59 | krono`working | was wuss? |
| 10:35.10 | jim | wubba. |
| 10:35.16 | ryan- | krono`working: I lose count of how many laws I break in a day. |
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| 10:35.25 | krono`working | *G*.. |
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| 10:35.39 | ryan- | like freaking watching DVDs that I *PAID* for. |
| 10:35.48 | ryan- | </rant> |
| 10:35.51 | Rawplayer | wow |
| 10:35.53 | krono`working | makes me a non-standard but who cares |
| 10:35.57 | Rawplayer | wb all :) |
| 10:36.07 | jim | they're not all back yet |
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| 10:36.27 | jim | they're still not all back yet |
| 10:36.34 | krono`working | aye that |
| 10:36.36 | ryan- | krono`working: well the united states has a lot of bad laws, and it is my civic duty to break them at my convianance. |
| 10:36.44 | krono`working | does this happen frequently? |
| 10:36.54 | krono`working | ryan-: lol |
| 10:37.03 | jim | no, but the rate seems to be increasing |
| 10:37.21 | krono`working | *shaking head* |
| 10:37.39 | oleth | what happened? |
| 10:37.45 | jim | you did! |
| 10:37.47 | ryan- | freenode needs better peering, donate a kidney today! |
| 10:37.48 | krono`working | split'n'join party |
| 10:37.58 | jim | pee ring? |
| 10:38.05 | dondelelcaro | jim: just peeing, apparently. |
| 10:38.06 | krono`working | oO |
| 10:38.15 | sdb__ | oleth: someone set up us the bomb |
| 10:38.20 | ryan- | somone peed on the router. |
| 10:38.30 | evilmeow | we get signal? |
| 10:38.35 | jim | they have good aim |
| 10:38.35 | krono`working | all your splits are belong to freenode.. |
| 10:38.36 | ryan- | MAIN SCREEN TURN ON |
| 10:38.39 | sdb__ | take off all sarge! |
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| 10:38.55 | sdb__ | you know what you doing |
| 10:38.55 | jim | yes, I do. |
| 10:38.55 | dondelelcaro | joy. |
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| 10:39.00 | jim | I'm goin to the store. |
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| 10:39.14 | ryan- | I have no idea what I'm doing. I've had a lot to drink.... |
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| 10:39.23 | liable_ | wow, still netsplits |
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| 10:39.43 | krono`working | err, more joins i think |
| 10:39.43 | sdb__ | er, s/now/no/ |
| 10:39.45 | Gnea | yowza |
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| 10:39.49 | liable_ | stepped out for a beer, and its still going |
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| 10:39.58 | Gnea | mmmm beeeeer |
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| 10:40.05 | liable_ | mmmmmmmm |
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| 10:40.10 | boycer | !beer Gnea |
| 10:40.18 | ryan- | !beer me |
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| 10:40.46 | simonrvn | much better. i was stuck on kornbluth.... |
| 10:40.46 | krono`working | gnaa. dpkg has no taste :( |
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| 10:40.59 | Gnea | !lart krono`working |
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| 10:41.02 | liable_ | its a bit funky at the mo, innit |
| 10:41.07 | krono`working | wahhh |
| 10:41.07 | Gnea | it's Gnea not Gnaa |
| 10:41.09 | simonrvn | kornbluth kept splitting and splitting |
| 10:41.13 | krono`working | dont |
| 10:41.17 | twb | For catching bashisms and similar, is it better to use dash or posh for /bin/sh? |
| 10:41.18 | liable_ | hahah gnaa |
| 10:41.32 | krono`working | jea n oi know, meant kind o gnarf thing |
| 10:41.36 | liable_ | lets not go there |
| 10:41.47 | simonrvn | twb: there's an util for it. and yeh, using dash can kill a bashist script |
| 10:41.52 | Gnea | the problem is solved, that's all that matters. :) |
| 10:41.59 | ryan- | everyone loves the GNAA |
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| 10:42.04 | liable_ | no |
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| 10:42.18 | twb | simonrvn: I've been using dash as /bin/sh, but I'm wondering if posh will catch more boo-boos. |
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| 10:42.46 | krono | Gnea: whre to get these botcommands?? |
| 10:42.55 | simonrvn | it's about the same really. |
| 10:43.14 | simonrvn | @lart ryan- |
| 10:43.16 | Gnea | krono: first of all, type your words correctly and fully |
| 10:43.16 | ceselb_ | wohoo, sarge is up at my local ftp mirror!! :D |
| 10:43.26 | ryan- | heh |
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| 10:43.29 | simonrvn | ceselb_: duh |
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| 10:43.39 | krono | Gnea: sry, this keyboard sucks |
| 10:43.39 | Gnea | !english |
| 10:43.39 | dpkg | it has been said that english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it?, or see #debian-en |
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| 10:44.22 | simonrvn | !english =~ s/it?,/it?/ |
| 10:44.22 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
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| 10:44.45 | krono | oO |
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| 10:44.59 | krono | this dpkg-bot is impressive.. |
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| 10:45.22 | simonrvn | another spam bot gets a k-line |
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| 10:45.43 | krono | huh? |
| 10:45.45 | liable_ | eh? |
| 10:45.52 | simonrvn | 06:44 --> _CrazyGirL- (~CraSdans@85.100.10.91) has joined #debian |
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| 10:46.17 | krono | oO interesting.. |
| 10:46.24 | simonrvn | rather common nick those bots use |
| 10:46.43 | simonrvn | ...and the user name too |
| 10:46.51 | krono | weren'T spambots, if they don't, do they? |
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| 10:47.01 | simonrvn | what? |
| 10:47.14 | krono | use common nicks.. |
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| 10:48.13 | krono | however neraly 1 pm here in germany, seeking something to fill my hollow shade.. |
| 10:48.35 | krono | have a nice party.. |
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| 10:48.53 | krono | whooohooo. |
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| 10:49.09 | visik7 | simonrvn nothing to do the only way is to run apt-cache policy for each package and retrive if it's a remote repository |
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| 10:49.16 | Xuse | I'm still confused, any rough idea when sarge will be out? Because i'm tired as hell and if it isn't coming out in the next 8 hours i'll go to sleep. |
| 10:49.34 | liable_ | Xuse: sleep |
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| 10:49.44 | simonrvn | visik7: ok, so run a loop with apt-cache policy |
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| 10:49.51 | Xuse | alright. |
| 10:49.55 | liable_ | Xuse: wake up and party |
| 10:49.57 | visik7 | simonrvn :( |
| 10:49.59 | simonrvn | Xuse: go to sleep |
| 10:49.59 | liable_ | maybe |
| 10:50.01 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 10:50.04 | drasko | how to disable Alt-Tab, and Control+Alt+Backspace etc. |
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| 10:50.19 | liable_ | why? |
| 10:50.24 | nkuttler | drasko: depends on your wm |
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| 10:50.38 | drasko | nkuttler, metacity |
| 10:50.40 | simonrvn | and ctrl-alt-bksp is x itself |
| 10:50.42 | sadrak|work | hmmm ... i build a new kernel 2.6.11.11 and dont know what kind of scheduler is the beste for me (or for all *g*) i have a dual-xeon. can someone help? |
| 10:50.47 | sadrak|work | zje default? |
| 10:50.52 | Xuse | night then, hopefully i'll wake up to a nice surprise. ;p |
| 10:50.56 | sadrak|work | s/zje/the/ |
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| 10:50.57 | simonrvn | need to set Dontzap true |
| 10:51.02 | simonrvn | er, DontZap |
| 10:51.13 | liable_ | Xuse: sweet dreams :) |
| 10:51.24 | ryan- | alt-tab is a WM thing |
| 10:51.30 | simonrvn | yup |
| 10:51.32 | nerd0 | duh |
| 10:51.34 | drasko | simonrvn, what files shoul be changed? |
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| 10:52.04 | simonrvn | man XF86Config-4 |
| 10:52.05 | korcoil | hello |
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| 10:52.18 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | whats happened ? who disconnected all ? |
| 10:52.18 | korcoil | how can i install *.bin files? |
| 10:52.19 | liable_ | drasko: why are you compilig? |
| 10:52.31 | petemc | korcoil: .bin could be anything |
| 10:52.41 | ryan- | korcoil: exeute it, usualy |
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| 10:52.51 | ryan- | korcoil: where'd you get it? |
| 10:52.51 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | does anyone knows when sarge will become stable ? |
| 10:52.57 | simonrvn | mamrmmmmmaaaa: look up netsplit in an IRC FAQ |
| 10:52.58 | korcoil | is hlds dedicated server |
| 10:53.06 | ryan- | um |
| 10:53.09 | liable_ | mamrmmmmmaaaa: stop it, you asked already. |
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| 10:53.11 | korcoil | hlds_blabla.bin |
| 10:53.21 | ryan- | korcoil: try chmod +x ing it |
| 10:53.23 | simonrvn | FFS, PLEASE STOP ASKING THAT |
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| 10:53.27 | drasko | liable_, I am trying to seup public kiosk, and I don't want people to exit application and tweak os... |
| 10:53.30 | korcoil | hmmmm |
| 10:53.31 | ryan- | and then do ./hlds_blabla.bin |
| 10:53.33 | hool | mamrmmmmmaaaa: please wait for upgrade |
| 10:53.36 | korcoil | yes... |
| 10:53.39 | korcoil | trying now |
| 10:53.42 | korcoil | thx |
| 10:53.43 | korcoil | brb |
| 10:53.50 | liable_ | drasko: that requires a kernel compile? |
| 10:53.54 | ryan- | !lart me |
| 10:54.01 | ryan- | mmmm, grits. |
| 10:54.14 | liable_ | wtf are grits |
| 10:54.23 | simonrvn | @dict grits |
| 10:54.25 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'grits' coarsely ground hulled corn boiled as a breakfast dish in the southern United States |
| 10:54.26 | visik7 | !commands |
| 10:54.33 | liable_ | eeew |
| 10:54.36 | drasko | liable_, dont think so... |
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| 10:54.45 | Hackitico | Is Debian better than Slackware ? |
| 10:54.46 | ryan- | drasko: Um, KDE has a kiosk mode. |
| 10:54.50 | liable_ | drasko: well, why then? |
| 10:54.53 | simonrvn | actually not bad stuff |
| 10:55.02 | liable_ | true? |
| 10:55.07 | simonrvn | Hackitico: #define BETTER |
| 10:55.08 | ryan- | Hackitico: are apples better then oranges? |
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| 10:55.14 | liable_ | simonrvn: your .fr ? |
| 10:55.18 | hool | the breakfast of kings is flat cola and some cold pizza |
| 10:55.19 | dondelelcaro | Hackitico: you're asking in #debian. What do you think we're going to say? |
| 10:55.20 | petemc | no, bananas are best |
| 10:55.23 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:55.27 | ryan- | hool: yes. |
| 10:55.30 | xiao | Will Sarge be released on June 6? |
| 10:55.33 | sdb__ | something to do with natalie portman, I could never work that one out |
| 10:55.36 | Gnea | simonrvn: he's probably been watching red dwarf |
| 10:55.36 | dondelelcaro | xiao: most likely, yes. |
| 10:55.39 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:55.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:55.45 | liable_ | hmm, cant be bothered, where you from, us? |
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| 10:55.50 | Hackitico | simonrvn: Better in Safety for instance |
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| 10:56.00 | hool | the breakfast of hung over kings are warm flat beer and some left over crisps |
| 10:56.06 | simonrvn | Hackitico: wrong question. |
| 10:56.07 | Hackitico | dondelelcaro duh |
| 10:56.16 | sdb__ | bring back segfault! |
| 10:56.19 | xiao | dondelelcaro, is there any offical new? |
| 10:56.27 | simonrvn | Hackitico: security is mostly admin dependent |
| 10:56.35 | dondelelcaro | xiao: the official news will be a post to debian-announce@lists.debian.org, as always. |
| 10:56.40 | Hackitico | simonrvn yes...but the security default ? |
| 10:56.44 | Gnea | Hackitico: what sounds better to you? a 2-ton safe with a combo lock the size of a hummer, or a toothpick? |
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| 10:57.16 | simonrvn | i don't know slackware, but i do know debian, and i like the defaults in debian (having seen yellow og and a couple of others) |
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| 10:57.24 | simonrvn | s/og/dog/ |
| 10:57.28 | Hackitico | ok |
| 10:57.31 | Hackitico | thanks |
| 10:57.34 | Gnea | it's been literally years since i ran slack |
| 10:57.35 | drasko | ryan-, yes, but it's not quite well. This work only for KDE native apps, so You have to use Konqueror for browsing. Besides that, I want some application to be constantly on... In kde kiosk you still can shut down app, leaving the destop with the icons. Not a good thing to see in a gallery :) |
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| 10:57.58 | simonrvn | drasko: gnome has the same kiosk mode |
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| 10:58.03 | ryan- | drasko: Shell scripts are your friend, then ;) |
| 10:58.08 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | any news on debian site ? |
| 10:58.10 | dondelelcaro | drasko: you can always just run a single shell that runs a browser in a while loop. |
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| 10:58.13 | Gnea | i have found that debian has some pretty good security out of the box - but honestly, if you don't take the time to go through things then it's your own fault if something gets broken into |
| 10:58.24 | simonrvn | Gnea: *ding* |
| 10:58.28 | Gnea | mamrmmmmmaaaa: what do you want? |
| 10:58.29 | ryan- | drasko: You may be able to run the app without a window manager. |
| 10:58.33 | ryan- | in a loop |
| 10:58.56 | simonrvn | @nickometer mamrmmmmmaaaa |
| 10:58.58 | ravenbird | 'mamrmmmmmaaaa' is 0.000% lame, simonrvn |
| 10:59.03 | drasko | simonrvn, nope. At least I did not hear about it. It can be locked manually to some point, though... |
| 10:59.04 | ryan- | hehe |
| 10:59.05 | Gnea | @nickometer simonrvn |
| 10:59.07 | ravenbird | 'simonrvn' is 0.000% lame, gnea |
| 10:59.10 | simonrvn | should be closer to 90... |
| 10:59.12 | Gnea | heh |
| 10:59.29 | Gnea | i agree |
| 10:59.34 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | i want to know when the debian site will be updated with the last news about debian sarge release |
| 10:59.38 | dondelelcaro | NLP is difficult... |
| 10:59.42 | drasko | ryan-, and when you shut down that app? You exit system or what? I never tried this, did you? |
| 10:59.48 | simonrvn | mamrmmmmmaaaa: STFU, PLEASE |
| 10:59.50 | Gnea | mamrmmmmmaaaa: and you think we know the exact moment? |
| 10:59.51 | dondelelcaro | mamrmmmmmaaaa: it will be updated when Sarge has actually released. |
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| 11:00.04 | ryan- | Personaly, I have a set of scripts that do some security lockdown on the default system (no lettng root ssh in, etc) |
| 11:00.07 | visik7 | isout |
| 11:00.11 | dondelelcaro | considering the fact that the dinstall run hasn't happened yet, nor has the mirror pulse, it hasn't been released. |
| 11:00.14 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | what does STFU means ? |
| 11:00.14 | hool | mamrmmmmmaaaa: becouse some things are worth waiting for |
| 11:00.20 | visik7 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 11:00.21 | hool | mamrmmmmmaaaa: shut the fuck up |
| 11:00.24 | Gnea | mamrmmmmmaaaa: Shut The Fuck Up |
| 11:00.27 | dondelelcaro | visik7: that's a CD image. |
| 11:00.34 | dondelelcaro | visik7: cd images != release. |
| 11:00.35 | ryan- | drasko: while :;do YOUR_APP_HERE -YOUR_ARGS_HERE;done |
| 11:00.37 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | and what does it means ? |
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| 11:01.03 | hool | mamrmmmmmaaaa: be weery weeery qwuiet.. we're huntin' wabbits |
| 11:01.03 | simonrvn | peace returns |
| 11:01.06 | drasko | ryan-, ? |
| 11:01.06 | lewis | hey - anyone heard of a network version of the ultimate boot cd? or, does someone know where I can do full memtests/disk tests remotely? |
| 11:01.10 | ryan- | mamrmmmmmaaaa: take your hans, put them on your chair, and sit on thewm ;) |
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| 11:01.19 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | :-) |
| 11:01.34 | jm_ | lewis: any place that gives you remote console |
| 11:01.45 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | SARGE SARGE SARGE SARGE !!!! STABLE STABLE STABLE !!! |
| 11:01.45 | Gnea | mamrmmmmmaaaa: it means you asked an unrealistic question |
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| 11:01.49 | ryan- | drasko: when you exit the app the shell script just restarts it. |
| 11:01.55 | Gnea | !troll mamrmmmmmaaaa |
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| 11:02.00 | dondelelcaro | mamrmmmmmaaaa: please do not use caps, or you will be devoiced. |
| 11:02.09 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | ok |
| 11:02.10 | dondelelcaro | s/use/abuse/ |
| 11:02.20 | mamrmmmmmaaaa | sarge sarge sarge... stable stable stable :-) |
| 11:02.28 | hool | dondelelcaro: isn't that "or you will be killed" ? 0_o |
| 11:02.29 | lewis | well, there is debian (with SSH) on the remote system, but you can't run full memtests while the system is running, nor e2fsck while the partitions are mounted... |
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| 11:02.43 | ryan- | hehe |
| 11:02.47 | Gnea | oh |
| 11:02.48 | Gnea | nice |
| 11:02.49 | jm_ | lewis: that's why serial console is really useful |
| 11:02.53 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 11:02.57 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 11:03.05 | drasko | ryan-, yeap... Tha can be done, but it is not so elegant, right. It tkes some time to restar app... |
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| 11:03.30 | DanielN | !beer DanielN |
| 11:03.31 | ryan- | drasko: the hack the code for the app to disable the 'exit' feature. |
| 11:03.36 | lewis | jm_: hmm. |
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| 11:03.41 | hool | !beer hool |
| 11:03.44 | drasko | anyway, now I am really curious -- how to disable shortcuts in gnome? |
| 11:03.52 | dondelelcaro | jm_: although, it's rather rare for things that actually have serial consoles to have such sketchy hardware to require memory tests |
| 11:03.53 | hool | aaaaaaaaaaah.. the breakfast of champions |
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| 11:04.05 | ryan- | drasko: is a keyboard REQUIRED for this? |
| 11:04.11 | ryan- | oh |
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| 11:04.14 | ryan- | drasko. |
| 11:04.17 | lordmyren | trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', which is also in package gnome-menus |
| 11:04.19 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: true |
| 11:04.21 | lordmyren | from kdelibs-data |
| 11:04.25 | lordmyren | any suggestions? |
| 11:04.31 | simonrvn | lordmyren: just run the upgrade again |
| 11:04.33 | ryan- | drasko: you can use xmodmap to disable specific keys. |
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| 11:04.43 | dondelelcaro | lordmyren: use force-overwrite. |
| 11:04.44 | drasko | ryan-, I guess not the Alt and Tab.... But still I am curious :) |
| 11:04.54 | ryan- | remap them to F24 or somthing useless. |
| 11:05.08 | ryan- | I did that with my caps lock |
| 11:05.09 | drasko | ryan-, xmodmap... what's that? Where to find this? |
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| 11:05.11 | simonrvn | F57.8 |
| 11:05.13 | lewis | jm_: I was just hoping that there would be a package called 'ultimate-netboot', whereby you install it, and specify the network settings, and then reboot, and you could connect, and do all kinds of tests via a temporarily loaded system :P |
| 11:05.14 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 11:05.15 | ryan- | cause caps lock is the devil |
| 11:05.23 | ryan- | drasko: read the manpage |
| 11:05.27 | Gnea | ryan-: yo momma! |
| 11:05.35 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:05.38 | ryan- | Gnea: O_o |
| 11:05.43 | Digis | hi, I have problem, after installing udev+hal, debian stops booting, it seems like /dev is empty |
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| 11:07.00 | drasko | ryan-, I see... but that's still a kinda hack. Shurely metacity has to has some options for this... |
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| 11:07.14 | ryan- | drasko: donno. |
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| 11:07.32 | drasko | ryan-, thanks for the help :) |
| 11:07.45 | jm_ | lewis: you'll still need something like bootp/dhcp and tftp there |
| 11:07.48 | Gnea | Digis: it should be mounting /dev automatically at boot and populating it |
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| 11:07.58 | Gnea | only /dev/null should exist iirc |
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| 11:08.45 | lewis | I don't know what tftp is, but I wouldn't need bootp/dhcp, if I could set the settings manually? anyhow, there is a DHCP server running... |
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| 11:08.58 | POVaddct | !sarge |
| 11:08.58 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 11:09.21 | kobs | hello |
| 11:09.28 | Gnea | lewis: it appears your 6pack is empty... |
| 11:10.03 | lewis | my 6pack? |
| 11:10.11 | Gnea | figure of speech... |
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| 11:10.28 | Gnea | lewis: you're configuring your own kernel? |
| 11:10.33 | lewis | nope. |
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| 11:10.53 | Gnea | then why the mention of tftp/bootp/dhcp? |
| 11:11.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 11:11.05 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> DO NOT ASK ABOUT WHEN SARGE WILL RELEASE. THIS SPACE WILL TELL YOU WHEN IT HAS | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 11:11.21 | Zta | Anyone who can spent some minute on me? I have networking problems, and I *think* it's my route table that's busted. I have a client (10.0.0.44) and a server (10.0.0.1). When I ping 10.0.0.1, I get DUPs. When I traceroute 10.0.0.1 the host is not found (after 30 hops). |
| 11:11.21 | Gnea | classic. |
| 11:11.24 | simonrvn | thank you again |
| 11:11.29 | lewis | i have a remote debian machine, which is no longer needed, and is problematic. i want to run the equivelant of the 'ultimate boot cd' with memtest86, and hard disk tests, on it remotely. |
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| 11:12.05 | Zta | Both the server and client have several network devices, but of course none share the same ip-address. |
| 11:12.13 | jm_ | lewis: install GRUB/lilo, install memtest86, configure boot loader for one time boot, reboot |
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| 11:12.17 | Gnea | lewis: so you want to boot an image over the network? |
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| 11:13.05 | Gnea | !tftp |
| 11:13.05 | dpkg | i guess tftp is the trivial file transfer protocol. an insecure file transfer protocol without authentification designed to transfer trivial files to diskless clients. |
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| 11:13.22 | lewis | er - I guess that is it, yeh. |
| 11:13.29 | lewis | jm_: how would I see the results though? |
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| 11:13.37 | jm_ | lewis: yes, that's the tricky part ;) |
| 11:13.38 | Gnea | lewis: how 'remote' is this machine? |
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| 11:14.12 | lewis | i.e. 1 hour or so away. |
| 11:14.16 | simonrvn | bleh. |
| 11:14.20 | Cozwei | how can i identify my nick to join the javachannel? |
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| 11:14.30 | Gnea | then you are talking about an impossible situation. |
| 11:14.30 | dondelelcaro | Cozwei: /msg nickserv help identify |
| 11:14.36 | Gnea | you would need to be in front of it |
| 11:14.41 | Cozwei | thx |
| 11:14.49 | lewis | I guess I can be patient, and in a week or so, when I am nearby, attach a screen, and reboot from there. I was curious as to what my options were remotely. |
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| 11:15.13 | Gnea | that's what you'll probably have to do |
| 11:15.41 | Digis | Gnea, it should, but it wont |
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| 11:15.47 | jm_ | memtest86 supports serial console |
| 11:16.25 | hool | lewis: when the secretary for our lug was over in the united states on holiday.. He managed to shut down his computer remotely.. He called his neighbour and had him go over and power up the box again.. |
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| 11:16.49 | drasko | ryan-, I can see how to disable Ctl+Alt+Backspace with "Don't Zap" opton in XF86. See http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/XF86Config.5.html |
| 11:16.50 | hool | he normally lives in sweden which is quite a distance from the states :) |
| 11:16.59 | lewis | hool: now that is far :P |
| 11:17.26 | lewis | jm_: perhaps I am being thick, but I don't have anything plugged into the serial console port. |
| 11:17.44 | jm_ | lewis: then you're pretty much out of luck |
| 11:17.46 | hool | lewis: and here you are whining about one hours drive ;P |
| 11:18.01 | ryan- | lewis: there are nivty ethernet ot serial adaptors you can log into. |
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| 11:18.34 | ryan- | they cost about $100 |
| 11:18.34 | lewis | ok - thanks for the support, I will wait until I have physical access to the machine. |
| 11:18.34 | hool | lewis: blah.. take a cab |
| 11:18.34 | hool | :=) |
| 11:18.34 | ryan- | lewis: so you could ship one there. |
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| 11:18.53 | liable_ | good |
| 11:18.54 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 11:19.14 | lewis | the debian machine would randomly aieee after a few days (for 10 days), after having previously been fine for 400. I think it was memory issues, but could've been hard disk corruption too. |
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| 11:19.21 | lewis | ryan-: thanks for the information. |
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| 11:19.47 | jm_ | lewis: ahh make sure you disable console blanking so you could read the screen |
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| 11:20.08 | lewis | I haven't had a problem reading the screen before, not sure about console blanking |
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| 11:20.50 | jm_ | the thing is that if kernel panics in interrupt handler, it will stop responding and you won't be able to unblank the screen ... |
| 11:21.21 | lewis | not by hitting the keyboard? |
| 11:21.29 | jm_ | no |
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| 11:21.34 | dondelelcaro | no, because that requires servicing an interrupt. |
| 11:21.55 | rfcomm0 | hard reset needed |
| 11:21.55 | rfcomm0 | ;D |
| 11:22.14 | lewis | yeh - i would probably just hard reset in that case... |
| 11:22.23 | jm_ | and not know what the issue was |
| 11:22.36 | lewis | well, I have seen the logs beforehand... |
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| 11:22.47 | jm_ | ok, so it's a normal panic then |
| 11:22.52 | jm_ | well FSVO normal |
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| 11:23.26 | naula | hello! any release-parties in IRC because of new Debian-release? |
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| 11:23.32 | jm_ | naula: topic |
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| 11:23.53 | toonX | guys, any idea why i get this when booting ? ioctl32(alsactl:2476): Unknown cmd fd(3) cmd(80045500){00} arg(ffffd81c) on /dev/snd/controlC0 ; then when trying /usr/sbin/alsaconf says it finds via82xx AC97 codec but when it comes to configure i get this Setting up ALSA...amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument and amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: Invalid argument . the kernel version is 2.6.8 (standard kernel image got it with a |
| 11:24.28 | rfcomm0 | you have the wrong sound card configured on the kernel |
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| 11:25.04 | lewis | jm_: one second. |
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| 11:25.27 | naula | jm_: I already found just these IRL-release-parties: http://wiki.debian.net/?ReleaseParty |
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| 11:25.46 | toonX | rfcomm0 so, i get the 2.6.8 kernel source , import this fine config-2.6.8-amd64-K8 , select the right soundcard then recompile , right? |
| 11:25.55 | jm_ | naula: well it's not relased yet |
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| 11:26.37 | naula | jm_: i know. |
| 11:27.04 | Zta | Anyone who can help me with my routing table? Or perhaps tell me what else may be configured wrong? When I ping my server at 10.0.0.1 I get DUPs. When I traceroute 10.0.0.1, I get nothing. |
| 11:27.23 | lewis | jm_: that is the kind of rubbish - http://pastebin.com/295923 - I would get in kern.log around the time of a crash... |
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| 11:27.48 | tarzeau | haha nice topic |
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| 11:28.28 | rfcomm0 | Zta: #> ifconfig -a And see whats on screen |
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| 11:28.50 | Zta | rfcomm0, what am I looking for? |
| 11:28.52 | streuner_ | tarzeau: indeed, but its ok... |
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| 11:29.24 | tarzeau | streuner_: probably in 6 hours |
| 11:29.36 | naula | tarzeau: hello! |
| 11:29.43 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Hi :-) |
| 11:29.50 | sanxiyn | Bub & Bros rocks. |
| 11:29.53 | tarzeau | hi naula & sanxiyn |
| 11:30.00 | rfcomm0 | Zta: first you have to see if you are using a routing class A |
| 11:30.05 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: tonight we play :) when sarge releases we play bub & bros |
| 11:30.41 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Good idea! |
| 11:30.41 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: if the intarnet doesn't break apart |
| 11:30.41 | Zta | rfcomm0, crap.. I found this: inet addr:10.0.0.44 Bcast:10.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 I'll change right away and see if it helps. |
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| 11:30.45 | naula | tarzeau: do you know any release-parties that are held at IRC? |
| 11:30.53 | rfcomm0 | Zta: you dont have to change... |
| 11:31.03 | tarzeau | naula: nope, what about we party right in here? |
| 11:31.13 | Zta | rfcomm0, Still I think I prefer: inet addr:10.0.0.44 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 However, it didn't help. |
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| 11:31.46 | lestest | hi there is it possible to load a 2.4 module in a 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:31.48 | Zta | rfcomm0, anyway... this is from my route: 10.0.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 11:31.53 | naula | tarzeau: okay |
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| 11:32.04 | rfcomm0 | Zta: try ping 10.0.0.0 |
| 11:32.16 | liable_ | lestest: running woody? |
| 11:32.16 | rfcomm0 | and make a trace route to your router |
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| 11:32.28 | lestest | nope, sid |
| 11:32.43 | lestest | liable_: I am running sid |
| 11:32.46 | liable_ | lestest: why the need? |
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| 11:33.02 | lestest | damn binary module |
| 11:33.09 | liable_ | for what? |
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| 11:33.14 | lestest | no source avail |
| 11:33.21 | lestest | modem for my lap |
| 11:33.21 | Zta | rfcomm0, ping -b 10.0.0.0 gives replies from both hosts (my client 10.0.0.44 and my server 10.0.0.1). They're connected in an ad-hoc wlan so there's no router in between to ping. |
| 11:33.28 | Zta | ..to traceroute |
| 11:33.35 | lestest | ess 2839 |
| 11:33.53 | liable_ | lestest: no slmodem support? |
| 11:34.07 | rfcomm0 | Zta: hmm |
| 11:34.22 | lestest | don't think so where should i check? |
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| 11:34.27 | jm_ | lewis: uhuh |
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| 11:34.37 | rfcomm0 | Zta: when you ping 10.0.0.1 you get no response? |
| 11:34.38 | liable_ | lestest: linmodems.org |
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| 11:35.22 | Zta | rfcomm0, I do get reponse, but I get DUPs from the same ip-address. But I cannot traceroute 10.0.0.1. |
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| 11:35.43 | Sora_Aoi | hi, how do i get more file space onmy debian? |
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| 11:35.50 | lestest | lemme check |
| 11:35.52 | Sora_Aoi | any useless files that i can/should delete? |
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| 11:36.16 | gruad | Sora_Aoi: apt-get install localepurge |
| 11:36.18 | naula | Sora_Aoi: run this: apt-get clean |
| 11:36.23 | Sora_Aoi | ok |
| 11:36.25 | liable_ | Sora_Aoi: apt-get clean, or rm -rf /pr0n:) |
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| 11:36.34 | quitte | Sora_Aoi: apt-get clean and apt-get install localepurge. then there's deborphan and debfoster |
| 11:36.44 | Sora_Aoi | what does those files do? |
| 11:36.59 | liable_ | cache |
| 11:37.08 | bahutnoenie | Hello. When I shutdown my freebsd box, remotely, the putty window closes automaticly, cool heh. I installed debian sarge, updated, but when I remotely shutdown the server the putty window doesn't close, silly eh? Why is this? And how can I resolve this issue? |
| 11:37.10 | Sora_Aoi | woah.. |
| 11:37.11 | Sora_Aoi | that's a lot |
| 11:37.13 | Noid | is it possible to change the geometry of a hard disk? |
| 11:37.14 | quitte | localepurge removes unwanted locales. apt-get clean deletes downloaded debs |
| 11:37.39 | Sora_Aoi | what's a locale anyway? |
| 11:37.43 | Sora_Aoi | some time thingy? |
| 11:37.46 | quitte | Sora_Aoi: deborphan helps identify unused libraries and debfoster helps remove unwanted packages |
| 11:37.46 | Sora_Aoi | language? |
| 11:37.48 | naula | Sora_Aoi: install also this and configure it and then run it often: upgrade-system |
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| 11:37.52 | gruad | Sora_Aoi: language |
| 11:37.56 | liable_ | yes language stuff |
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| 11:38.53 | rfcomm0 | Zta: I see.... you attempted to "round robin" routing to distribute the load among the server farm and misconfigured it |
| 11:38.53 | rfcomm0 | to send each reqest to each server. |
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| 11:39.06 | lestest | liable_: nope |
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| 11:39.24 | lestest | liable_: on linmodems.org they point me to the binary driver |
| 11:39.29 | Zta | rfcomm0, nono.. I didn't try anything fancy. |
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| 11:39.47 | Zta | rfcomm0, I just want a link between to boxes and I want to ping without dups. |
| 11:39.49 | liable_ | lestest: have you run the scanmodem script? |
| 11:39.50 | lewis | jm_: can you interpret this: http://pastebin.com/295929 - from kern.log |
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| 11:40.14 | rfcomm0 | Zta: and i think is not possible to make a trace route in a adhoc conection |
| 11:40.16 | liable_ | lestest: ok, they know, go with what they say. No 2.6 driver? |
| 11:40.30 | rfcomm0 | Zta: adhoc have no routing |
| 11:40.42 | Zta | ah.. |
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| 11:40.44 | neoXite | hi, i'm trying to build a reliable ssh-tunnel between two machines running sarge, and the port forwarding wont work reliably. |
| 11:40.51 | luulis | hm, any idea why would this happen: |
| 11:40.53 | luulis | localhost kernel: Bad page state at free_hot_cold_page (in process 'kswapd0', page c12feae0) |
| 11:40.59 | luulis | localhost kernel: Trying to fix it up, but a reboot is needed |
| 11:41.00 | abrotman | lewis: afaict .. courier crashed your box :) |
| 11:41.18 | abrotman | lewis: but that shouldn't happen .. have you run memtest on this box ? |
| 11:41.19 | lestest | liable_: no only 2.2 and 2.4 |
| 11:41.33 | liable_ | lestest: that sucks :( |
| 11:41.35 | neoXite | it works in general, but since the machine running the sshd is on a dynamic ip address, it gets connected every 12h |
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| 11:41.39 | bob2 | luulis: what kernel version? |
| 11:41.45 | luulis | 2.6.11 |
| 11:42.03 | neoXite | i also have dyndns and everything set up, that all works fine so far |
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| 11:42.20 | naula | should I be a Debian-developer, if I want to join #debian-devel ? |
| 11:42.24 | seeker_ | luulis, could be a bad harddisk |
| 11:42.37 | lewis | abrotman: it worked once, but failed under many times. i.e. i had to reseat it etc |
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| 11:42.53 | Zta | rfcomm0, I can see with tcpdump, that when I ping 10.0.0.44 from 10.0.0.1, this happends: 10.0.0.44 sends one request, 10.0.0.44 receives one request, sends a reply, receives on request, sends a reply, receives one request, sends a reply (4 times in total), 10.0.0.1 receives 4 replies. |
| 11:42.55 | Noid | naula: no, afaik |
| 11:42.56 | abrotman | lewis: so you've not tried it again |
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| 11:43.06 | abrotman | naula: are you going to pester them for support ? |
| 11:43.14 | neoXite | problem is, when the sshd machine gets disconnected, and the ssh client reconnects to it, the sshd apparently hasn't noticed that the old session has died |
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| 11:43.43 | naula | abrotman: no. i just want to see that historical happening, when sarge is really released |
| 11:43.55 | abrotman | naula: there will be an email :) |
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| 11:44.11 | Sora_Aoi | help! |
| 11:44.15 | rfcomm0 | Zta: yep, the DUP you're receiving its because the server is misconfigured (or its proposital) and so it alway repeat |
| 11:44.16 | Sora_Aoi | i installed localepurge |
| 11:44.22 | Sora_Aoi | and i dont have enoughh space |
| 11:44.23 | bob2 | naula: no, it's fun, just don't disturb people :) |
| 11:44.28 | Sora_Aoi | now i left with 3 bytes on my hdd |
| 11:44.29 | bob2 | well, fun and fine |
| 11:44.31 | Sora_Aoi | how to remove it? |
| 11:44.36 | Sora_Aoi | apt-get remove localepurge doesnt worked |
| 11:44.43 | neoXite | when the client reconnects after an ip change, it cannot remote_forward ports to the sshd side, the sshd claims the sockets are already bound. |
| 11:44.52 | lewis | abrotman: sorry about that confusing statement. basically, I ran a full memtest86+ numerous times, and most often got errors. after about 20 tests, and 20 reseating of memory, and wiping dust etc, it worked once, and so I rebooted into debian. |
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| 11:44.56 | rfcomm0 | Zta: maybe this is some default config you your server |
| 11:44.57 | seeker_ | Sora_Aoi, do this -> # du -sh /var/* |
| 11:44.58 | Fleck | Solet-deb check /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 11:45.01 | neoXite | anyone got a clue how to work around this? |
| 11:45.05 | abrotman | lewis: just once ? |
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| 11:45.11 | abrotman | lewis: try it again :) |
| 11:45.12 | Zta | rfcomm0, but how should it look? |
| 11:45.22 | abrotman | lewis: could also be a faulty mobo |
| 11:45.23 | gruad | Sora_Aoi: run dpkg-reconfigure localepurge |
| 11:45.25 | Sora_Aoi | ok done seeker |
| 11:45.25 | Noid | lewis: try it a *few* more times |
| 11:45.27 | lewis | abrotman: so, it could have worked under that configuration, but things were highly suspect. the ram would work first time in other machines. |
| 11:45.46 | gruad | Sora_Aoi: then deselect all unwanted locales |
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| 11:45.48 | seeker_ | Sora_Aoi, u see anythings in MB/GB |
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| 11:45.55 | Zta | rfcomm0, I'm lost.. |
| 11:45.56 | abrotman | lewis: could seriously be a faulty mobo .. i just blew up a machine in my office that would crash randomly .. ran cpuburn .. machine died in 20 seconds |
| 11:46.00 | lewis | abrotman: well, now I am remote, and can only run memory tests withi debian, which pass ok. |
| 11:46.14 | Sora_Aoi | seeker no |
| 11:46.16 | abrotman | lewis: oh .. remote .. don't kill! |
| 11:46.17 | Sora_Aoi | not very big ones |
| 11:46.21 | seeker_ | Sora_Aoi, what's log size ? |
| 11:46.21 | lewis | abrotman: I am tempted to think it is a faulty motherboard too... |
| 11:47.07 | gruad | Sora_Aoi: that should give you quite a few MB, depending on your configuration |
| 11:47.07 | Sora_Aoi | 3.0MB |
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| 11:47.07 | Sora_Aoi | i previously have 600MB free |
| 11:47.07 | lewis | abrotman: the annoying thing is, I am confused as to which part may be faulty, and why it would stop working after a certain period of time... |
| 11:47.07 | Sora_Aoi | after i did a apt-get install localepurge, i am left with 0 |
| 11:47.07 | rfcomm0 | Zta: its hard to know without knowing the process |
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| 11:47.07 | rfcomm0 | Zta: ;( |
| 11:47.07 | abrotman | mister_debian: please don't /msg me |
| 11:47.07 | Sora_Aoi | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 11:47.07 | Sora_Aoi | /dev/vzfs 10242880 10242880 0 100% / |
| 11:47.07 | rss | Sora_Aoi type `apt-get clean' |
| 11:47.11 | abrotman | mister_debian: STOP |
| 11:47.14 | rfcomm0 | Zta: afterall was you who installed all stuff |
| 11:47.15 | rss | Sora_Aoi: and check again |
| 11:47.15 | lewis | abrotman: i.e. do motherboards randomly fail, or after 401 days to the memory controllers disintegrate? |
| 11:47.21 | Sora_Aoi | ok rss. |
| 11:47.27 | Sora_Aoi | rss |
| 11:47.32 | Sora_Aoi | i got 19bytes free |
| 11:47.37 | rss | oh |
| 11:47.42 | Zta | rfcomm0, right.. |
| 11:47.42 | rfcomm0 | Sora_Aoi: where r u form? |
| 11:47.44 | seeker_ | Sora_Aoi, what's log size ? |
| 11:47.53 | Sora_Aoi | 3.0M /var/log |
| 11:47.55 | seeker_ | Sora_Aoi, i mean du -sh /var/log |
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| 11:48.05 | rss | Sora_Aoi, do "du -sh /var/log/' |
| 11:48.06 | Sora_Aoi | rfcomm0, sg |
| 11:48.06 | seeker_ | Sora_Aoi, and /var ? |
| 11:48.11 | Xenguy | for the 2nd night in a row, my IRC client has done a segmentation fault (this time at 4 in the morning) - /me wonders why? |
| 11:48.18 | Zta | rfcomm0, I could try running the wlan network in managed mode. Perhaps that will give some control over how packets are routed. |
| 11:48.24 | Sora_Aoi | var has 9gb |
| 11:48.24 | rfcomm0 | Zta: I will try post a thread to see if I get some better help |
| 11:48.33 | Sora_Aoi | cos of files that i share in my server |
| 11:48.41 | abrotman | anyone have logs why IP 62.101.81.69 was banned ? |
| 11:48.46 | Sora_Aoi | science:/var/backups# apt-get remove localepurge |
| 11:48.46 | Sora_Aoi | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 11:48.47 | abrotman | or given a +q ? |
| 11:49.03 | Sora_Aoi | science:/var/backups# dpkg --configure -a |
| 11:49.03 | Sora_Aoi | dpkg: failed to write status record about `lokkit' to `/var/lib/dpkg/status': Disk quota exceeded |
| 11:49.05 | Sora_Aoi | see? |
| 11:49.06 | abrotman | apparently by dondelelcaro |
| 11:49.07 | rss | Sora_Aoi, and /var/log/? |
| 11:49.15 | lewis | is there a debian wiki page for troubleshooting faulty motherboards? |
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| 11:49.19 | Sora_Aoi | 3.0M /var/log |
| 11:49.21 | Sora_Aoi | 3 MB |
| 11:49.26 | seeker_ | Sora_Aoi, do this du -sh /* |
| 11:49.31 | Sora_Aoi | ok |
| 11:49.36 | lewis | or any known resource for that matter, before one tells me to go google |
| 11:49.59 | Sora_Aoi | erm |
| 11:50.03 | Sora_Aoi | inside /tmp is 633MB |
| 11:50.08 | liable_ | lewis: memtest may be a start |
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| 11:50.11 | abrotman | lewis: are there other errors in the logs ? |
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| 11:50.15 | Zta | rfcomm0, I am, but it's slow with replies =). Anyway, thanks for now. |
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| 11:50.38 | lewis | abrotman: every time it has crashed, it would produce something similar to what I showed you in pastebin. |
| 11:50.40 | seeker_ | ok check out /tmp for any unwanted files |
| 11:50.42 | Sora_Aoi | so i should delete the /tmp folder? |
| 11:50.50 | seeker_ | hey!!! |
| 11:50.51 | abrotman | lewis: i mean before it crashes :) |
| 11:50.53 | seeker_ | Sora_Aoi, dont |
| 11:50.57 | lewis | abrotman: nope. |
| 11:50.59 | abrotman | lewis: is it always courier ? |
| 11:51.02 | Sora_Aoi | science:/tmp# ls |
| 11:51.02 | seeker_ | Sora_Aoi, cd /tmp |
| 11:51.02 | Sora_Aoi | fileL0HqFh filePoHoUz filegQsrEb filem87iXx |
| 11:51.02 | Sora_Aoi | fileL0HqFh.9376 filePoHoUz.21792 filegQsrEb.locale.gen filem87iXx.locale.gen |
| 11:51.14 | lewis | liable_: thanks - that's already on my list. |
| 11:51.19 | rfcomm0 | Zta: :( |
| 11:51.22 | lewis | abrotman: nope, last time spamd |
| 11:51.23 | seeker_ | rm -rf /tmp/* |
| 11:51.31 | abrotman | lewis: always mail related ? |
| 11:51.33 | Sora_Aoi | ok |
| 11:51.49 | lewis | abrotman: i am presuming that it is processes accessing memory - those processes are slightly mem intensive |
| 11:51.52 | Sora_Aoi | bsod :< |
| 11:51.57 | lewis | abrotman: let me try to check the logs |
| 11:52.01 | liable_ | lewis: I may have missed the boat, but yeah, its a start |
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| 11:52.04 | rfcomm0 | Zta: I have a little problem with a GPRS connection over bluetooth that are makin me going crazy ;/// |
| 11:52.07 | abrotman | lewis: courier should be using Maildir .. i hope |
| 11:52.07 | Sora_Aoi | ok thanks |
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| 11:52.14 | Sora_Aoi | it worked thanks seeker any everyone |
| 11:52.18 | lewis | abrotman: it uses a maildir, yeh |
| 11:52.45 | abrotman | lewis: that shouldn't be too memory intensive |
| 11:52.45 | seeker_ | Sora_Aoi, take some time to read some linux fundas |
| 11:52.49 | lewis | (ah, I see your point, shouldn't be memory intensive) - well, maybe just processes using memory, period. |
| 11:53.19 | abrotman | Xenguy: file an RC bug! |
| 11:53.24 | Zta | rfcomm0, sorry I cannot help. But I know how you feel. I've been on this problem for about a week now.. =( |
| 11:53.30 | liable_ | Xenguy: and the client is? |
| 11:53.32 | tarzeau | Xenguy: no problems. what irc client is that? |
| 11:53.37 | lewis | another process: depmod |
| 11:53.41 | Xenguy | irssi-text |
| 11:53.42 | tarzeau | 13:53 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from Xenguy: irssi v0.8.9 - running on Linux i586 |
| 11:53.44 | seeker_ | abrotman, pls.. not now! it will hold up sarge release :) |
| 11:53.57 | tarzeau | i've also got 0.8.9-1 |
| 11:53.59 | visik7 | simonrvn got how to do : for i in `dpkg --get-selections |awk -F ' ' '{print $1;}'`; do apt-cache policy $i |egrep -q "500|http|ftp" || echo $i; done |
| 11:54.06 | abrotman | seeker_: i doubt it |
| 11:54.08 | tarzeau | Xenguy: mine runs for months now |
| 11:54.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: but you eat dragons for lunch |
| 11:54.25 | Xenguy | tarzeau: mine has too - it's only the last 2 nights - weird |
| 11:54.28 | liable_ | hah |
| 11:54.34 | rfcomm0 | Zta: well after 2 night without sleep I had make it work yesterday... but when I turned on the computer today no work at all ... lol |
| 11:54.38 | lewis | another process: S70xfree86-commm, mysqld, modprobe, depmod, env, egrep, courierpop3d |
| 11:54.41 | abrotman | Xenguy: maybe someone sending you invalid data? |
| 11:54.43 | rfcomm0 | I hate when this happens |
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| 11:55.00 | abrotman | lewis: so .. basically *every* process on the box crashes ? :) |
| 11:55.13 | rss | Xenguy, which IRC client do you use? MIRC? |
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| 11:55.26 | abrotman | irssi .. like a sane person |
| 11:55.31 | abrotman | who the hell uses MIRC ? |
| 11:55.39 | lewis | heh - true - that was at a time when memtest was failing all the time. we managed to clean out the machine, and remove one of the chips, and got lucky once, so memtest didn't fail. |
| 11:55.49 | Fatal | abrotman: most commonly the people who install it |
| 11:55.51 | lewis | we then rebooted, and crossed our fingers :P |
| 11:56.02 | rss | Fatal: :) |
| 11:56.03 | abrotman | Fatal: i guess we can't help everyone |
| 11:56.10 | liable_ | lewis: *memtest* :) memtest memtest memtest memtest |
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| 11:56.20 | Xenguy | abrotman: last nite that's possible - some nick 'jasmuz'; but last night I'm not sure |
| 11:56.23 | lewis | abrotman: my question is though, do motherboards just randomly break after a while, or perhaps did I cause it? |
| 11:56.23 | rfcomm0 | abrotman: Im neve thougth in use GAIM like a irc client, and I see now that it is very good |
| 11:56.25 | rss | abrotman, people blessed St. Bill Gates |
| 11:56.29 | rss | abrotman, people blessed by St. Bill Gates |
| 11:56.30 | abrotman | lewis: they can go POP |
| 11:56.36 | Xenguy | abrotman: er, 2 nites ago that's possible |
| 11:56.41 | Fatal | rss: you mean Comic Chat? |
| 11:56.57 | abrotman | lewis: you've never had a machine just go boom? |
| 11:56.59 | abrotman | !magic smoke |
| 11:56.59 | dpkg | Did you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working. |
| 11:57.02 | rss | Fatal; what is that? |
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| 11:57.11 | Fatal | rss: a microsoft irc client |
| 11:57.20 | seeker_ | does this -> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/ mean sarge is out ? |
| 11:57.21 | Sora_Aoi | lol |
| 11:57.24 | Sora_Aoi | the gayest irc client ever |
| 11:57.28 | lewis | abrotman: I've heard power supplies go boom, never had a motherboard break before - hard disks yes, not motherboards. |
| 11:57.29 | Sora_Aoi | comic chat |
| 11:57.39 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:57.49 | Guerin | mobos burn out too |
| 11:57.52 | abrotman | seeker_: means the images are done being built |
| 11:57.52 | Sora_Aoi | first time i used that i thrashed it |
| 11:57.54 | Guerin | believe it. |
| 11:57.54 | liable_ | !wb Guerin |
| 11:57.55 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Guerin has returned! |
| 11:57.57 | Fatal | Sora_Aoi: do not disrespect the artwork, the guy who did the artwork for comicchar is bloody brilliant |
| 11:58.02 | Guerin | arr |
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| 11:58.09 | liable_ | mother fucker |
| 11:58.17 | liable_ | :) |
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| 11:58.33 | rss | liable_, testing bots? |
| 11:58.39 | liable_ | no |
| 11:58.49 | Fatal | rss: http://www.stukach.com/stuff/screenshots/comic_chat.png |
| 11:59.07 | lewis | i remember that... |
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| 11:59.40 | rss | Fatal, sorry, I represent Commandline Mafia :) |
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| 12:00.03 | lewis | abrotman: ok - thanks for your advice, your money is on the memory part of the motherboard being broken? |
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| 12:00.21 | abrotman | lewis: please make a back up before trying anything :) |
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| 12:00.29 | abrotman | lewis: there are programs to stress test the machine |
| 12:00.42 | rss | Fatal, saw the image in another computer... |
| 12:00.44 | abrotman | lewis: but remember it's remote .. so it if it dies .. it is totally dead till you get there |
| 12:00.50 | lewis | abrotman: i am lucky, as we gave up on this machine, so it is no longer important, data or service-wise. |
| 12:00.57 | abrotman | lewis: oh .. |
| 12:01.04 | abrotman | lewis: i can tell you all kinds of fun stuff to play with :) |
| 12:01.07 | lewis | abrotman: yeh - I will do my worst when I am physically there |
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| 12:01.17 | rss | Fatal, does _Microsoft_ Chat = _Comic_ Chat? |
| 12:01.23 | lewis | abrotman: just making my plans - got my Ultimate Boot CD at the ready... |
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| 12:01.46 | lewis | abrotman: I appreciate your help in this matter by the way. |
| 12:01.48 | abrotman | lewis: i'd bring the machine back to the office .. swap all the ram out etc .. esp if it's not needed |
| 12:01.55 | Py | hi |
| 12:02.08 | abrotman | lewis: np |
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| 12:02.51 | lewis | well, we put all of the server's ram into a desktop, and it worked fine, and then we did a memtest on that desktop, and all was fine. |
| 12:02.55 | rss | are torrents out? |
| 12:02.56 | Py | Somebody knows where I can find drivers for one scsi Aic-7902 to be able to use RAID? |
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| 12:03.15 | rss | are torrents of Sarge, out? |
| 12:03.22 | lewis | so, the train of thought was that the motherboard was the source of the problems. I was just miffed as to how it could have broken in the first place. |
| 12:03.39 | abrotman | rss: /lastlog seeker |
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| 12:03.56 | abrotman | lewis: electronics are fragile .. and not everlasting |
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| 12:04.05 | abrotman | lewis: capacitors go pop etc |
| 12:04.13 | jethro | haha nice topic |
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| 12:04.22 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 12:04.29 | liable | hmmmmmm |
| 12:04.38 | cheal | topic #debian-kde is : Sarge finally released, end of the world tomorrow |
| 12:04.43 | spume | if someone has used cpio to get something on /dev/st0 (cpio -itvB < /dev/st0) how do I get one file off that tape? |
| 12:04.43 | lewis | abrotman: it was a Soltek motherboard, don't know if you have heard of that before, but I don't think a notorious brand for being reliable. |
| 12:04.55 | bob2 | it's not out yet |
| 12:05.03 | cheal | #debian-kde has an unfixable |
| 12:05.04 | cheal | topic |
| 12:05.18 | hool | how do one unstop a process in debian? |
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| 12:05.34 | abrotman | lewis: i've never used one .. i usually try to stick to major brands .. instead of skimping the 10-100$ |
| 12:05.35 | liable | erm, kill you mean? |
| 12:05.37 | hool | lewis: soltek are the shit |
| 12:05.39 | spume | unstop? you mean start or restart? |
| 12:05.47 | Py | Somebody knows where I can find drivers for one scsi Aic-79xx to be able to use RAID? |
| 12:05.53 | hool | spume: yeah.. sorta |
| 12:05.53 | sanxiyn | Heh, #debian luser? (from #debian-kde /topic) |
| 12:05.55 | abrotman | Py: you checked google > |
| 12:05.55 | mennucc | #debian-release |
| 12:05.56 | abrotman | ? |
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| 12:06.05 | abrotman | sanxiyn: i talked to them about that |
| 12:06.10 | spume | hool, any chance of a clue? |
| 12:06.14 | lewis | hool: 'the' shit? or just plain shit? |
| 12:06.24 | ac3 | Hi |
| 12:06.27 | hool | lewis: i have two Soltek DRV5 boards |
| 12:06.34 | hool | they're stable and just keeps running |
| 12:06.44 | lewis | hool: perhaps I was unlucky then |
| 12:06.45 | hool | my boxes comes down becouse i take them down.. nothing else ;) |
| 12:06.48 | abrotman | lewis: see .. hool never had an issue :) |
| 12:07.09 | hool | lewis: they make such high numbers of them.. so low low errors still affect a whole lot of boards |
| 12:07.19 | lewis | abrotman: if I run all the tests on it (like memtest etc), is there any chance that the problem will be intermittent? (i.e. only crashing on sundays) |
| 12:07.20 | ac3 | I just installed horde3 and imp4 debian packages in sarge. Why is /etc/horde/imp4/conf.php 0 bytes? Is this correct? |
| 12:07.22 | hool | the DRV5 was a hot clocker board a cpl of yeas back |
| 12:07.29 | abrotman | lewis: c'est possible |
| 12:07.40 | abrotman | lewis: anything is possible |
| 12:07.43 | hool | spume: i missed some keys and i stopped irssi |
| 12:07.46 | Knight_Lord | If i want mdadm to start my /dev/md0 before /etc/fstab defautls are mounted which priority do i have to give to the init script? |
| 12:07.52 | hool | i want it restart it |
| 12:07.58 | abrotman | lewis: i had a machine in my office that was only crashing sundays .. ran CPUburn .. machine died .. no more machine :) |
| 12:08.01 | lewis | abrotman: i might as well get a new motherboard then, i've had a few years use out of it, and wasn't particularly amazing in the first place. |
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| 12:08.09 | PeTeRB | hool: fg |
| 12:08.10 | abrotman | lewis: what kind of CPUs ? |
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| 12:08.24 | PeTeRB | hool: If you mean you Ctrl+Z'd it |
| 12:08.25 | spume | you've confused me now hool |
| 12:08.28 | lewis | just single P4. |
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| 12:08.39 | abrotman | lewis: yeah .. plenty of those to be had ... |
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| 12:08.46 | hool | lewis: im running soltek socket a (Amd) |
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| 12:09.03 | abrotman | lewis: get an intel board! :) |
| 12:09.06 | lewis | heh - i know |
| 12:09.10 | hool | PeTeRB: fg? |
| 12:09.20 | hool | why intel? |
| 12:09.21 | lewis | i was looking for one the other day that could fit into a 1U case, with a 478 socket... |
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| 12:09.41 | abrotman | lewis: that sholdn't be a problem .. there should be lots of those |
| 12:09.44 | lewis | i may do so again now, now that more people have confirmed that the motherboard is probably the source. |
| 12:10.07 | PeTeRB | hool: Did you run irssi from a shell or from some launcher/menu? |
| 12:10.07 | ruru | I wanna replace my homepage default pages with Debian Release news :) |
| 12:10.09 | abrotman | lewis: all it would take is one bad capacitor or resistor .. or even a bad PSU |
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| 12:10.17 | PeTeRB | s/shell/terminal/ |
| 12:10.17 | hool | PeTeRB: i am elite.. i run from shell |
| 12:10.20 | hool | ;) |
| 12:10.23 | ruru | I think this will be cool ;) |
| 12:10.25 | PeTeRB | hool: Type 'jobs' |
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| 12:10.56 | hool | PeTeRB: i'll try.. even if it reminds me too much about steve ;) |
| 12:10.59 | hool | what then? |
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| 12:11.23 | PeTeRB | hool: I assume you see a line that says irssi is stopped, and there's a number in the brackets |
| 12:11.34 | hool | yah. |
| 12:11.38 | petemc | PeTeRB: try %1 |
| 12:11.45 | abrotman | don't we have enough pete* people ? :) |
| 12:11.51 | petemc | i was here first! |
| 12:11.54 | PeTeRB | petemc: ? |
| 12:11.56 | lewis | abrotman: ok |
| 12:11.58 | petemc | PeTeRB: nm |
| 12:11.59 | hool | im a dear john |
| 12:11.59 | cbr | 15:11:46 <IQ> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 12:12.01 | PeTeRB | hool: Type fg [number] |
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| 12:12.10 | oKtosiTe | IQ just spammed me |
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| 12:12.19 | abrotman | he doesn't like me |
| 12:12.21 | ruru | IQ just spammed me too |
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| 12:12.36 | streuner_ | !ops IQ is an on-join spambot |
| 12:12.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: IQ is an on-join spambot |
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| 12:12.47 | hool | yay! working now |
| 12:12.48 | abrotman | didn't onjoin spam me |
| 12:12.54 | PeTeRB | abrotman: Same here. |
| 12:12.54 | streuner_ | hm |
| 12:12.58 | bob2 | nor I |
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| 12:13.07 | abrotman | ah |
| 12:13.09 | abrotman | now he got me |
| 12:13.09 | PeTeRB | streuner_: Oh, wait, did now |
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| 12:13.13 | bob2 | delayed |
| 12:13.14 | abrotman | super delayed i guess |
| 12:13.14 | rss | !ops bob2 is not an spambot! |
| 12:13.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: bob2 is not an spambot! |
| 12:13.17 | oKtosiTe | Didn't on join spam me, but it did advertise a website |
| 12:13.33 | PeTeRB | oKtosiTe: It did, just with a delay |
| 12:13.35 | oKtosiTe | rss, was that necessary |
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| 12:13.45 | oKtosiTe | PeTeRB: I guess, yeah |
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| 12:13.52 | rss | hmm... was it? |
| 12:13.53 | hool | if we bribe george w.. do you reckon we could offload some spammers on guantanamo? |
| 12:14.05 | hool | how many sixpacks do you reckon it'll take? |
| 12:14.22 | abrotman | probably just wave a little oil under his nose :) |
| 12:14.28 | bob2 | maybe you could bribe him into closing that shameful portion of the US down |
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| 12:14.44 | hool | bob2: nothing is hard enough for spammer >:( |
| 12:14.44 | oKtosiTe | bob2: florida? |
| 12:14.47 | abrotman | bob2: oddly enough . i'm watching CNN .. that's one of the segments :) |
| 12:14.51 | lewis | abrotman: anyhow, I am going to go look into some Intel motherboards. I will run some memory tests and as many tests as I can, but since you can never be sure, I'll probably have to buy a new motherboard anyhow. |
| 12:14.51 | bob2 | hah |
| 12:14.51 | verden01 | how do i mount a usb flash drive? |
| 12:15.06 | nevyn | verden01: depends |
| 12:15.08 | abrotman | lewis: if you're truly capable .. check the output of the PSU |
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| 12:15.18 | nevyn | verden01: what kernel are you using? |
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| 12:15.25 | rss | bob2, are you talking about Capitol Hill? |
| 12:15.26 | verden01 | 2.6 |
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| 12:15.27 | oKtosiTe | verden01: sda/sda1/sda2/etc. |
| 12:15.30 | hool | rule #1 for stable computing.. get a high quality psu.. |
| 12:15.41 | lewis | abrotman: well, I recently moved case (and yes, it was having problems before and after), and I believe the new PSU is pretty high-spec |
| 12:15.47 | oKtosiTe | verden01: /dev/sda(n) that is |
| 12:15.48 | hool | none of those q-teq cardboard type deals |
| 12:15.55 | abrotman | lewis: just something to check .. dirty power is super bad |
| 12:15.58 | lewis | no, it isn't made of of cardboard. |
| 12:16.06 | lewis | abrotman: how do you check? volt-meter? |
| 12:16.09 | abrotman | yep |
| 12:16.13 | hool | lewis: are you sure? |
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| 12:16.28 | verden01 | my hard drive is a sata and called sda1 |
| 12:16.32 | abrotman | there are many google docs on shorting out the "switch" to get it to run .. then you can check the +- on the cords |
| 12:16.33 | lewis | hool: if you are lucky, I'll throw you my old Soltek motherboard, and you can put it on your wall |
| 12:16.46 | abrotman | verden01: plug it in .. dmesg .. should tell you where it is |
| 12:16.50 | abrotman | today is gonna be HOT HOT HOT |
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| 12:16.55 | verden01 | thanx |
| 12:16.57 | lewis | abrotman: where? |
| 12:17.01 | abrotman | lewis: philly |
| 12:17.19 | lewis | abrotman: bah - right - off to Intel. |
| 12:17.21 | oKtosiTe | I would like to run a localized debian channel, are there any guidelines on this? |
| 12:17.22 | abrotman | Guerin: don't you live on the equator |
| 12:17.25 | abrotman | lewis: have fun :)O |
| 12:17.39 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: for which language ? |
| 12:17.46 | morph_ | hello |
| 12:17.54 | darkskiez | oKtosiTe, start every sentance with a _(" |
| 12:17.57 | oKtosiTe | abrotman: dutch (nl_NL, nl_BE) |
| 12:17.58 | verden01 | does scsi2 sound right? |
| 12:18.00 | abrotman | .nl |
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| 12:18.02 | abrotman | !nl |
| 12:18.02 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 12:18.03 | hool | lewis: can't you throw a working socket a 2500+ amd processor on me instead? |
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| 12:18.05 | hool | i woulc use that |
| 12:18.22 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: afaik .. register the channel .. |
| 12:18.42 | naughty_boy | hai |
| 12:18.44 | lewis | nope - not got any - just a broken motherboard |
| 12:18.46 | oKtosiTe | abrotman: already done that... |
| 12:18.54 | hool | blah |
| 12:18.55 | lewis | i could try and make a processor out of paper though.... |
| 12:19.01 | hool | lewis: hahaha |
| 12:19.04 | lewis | :) |
| 12:19.07 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: none i'm aware .. might want to wait for a channel op to ask more |
| 12:19.17 | abrotman | lewis: abacus |
| 12:19.19 | Guerin | abrotman: nope... but i did spend most of saturday on a beach |
| 12:19.23 | hool | lewis: cyrix processors doesn't fit p4 boards you newbie ;) |
| 12:19.30 | hool | them's made out of papier mache |
| 12:19.35 | abrotman | Guerin: i tried to dislocate my shoulder yesterday :) |
| 12:19.45 | Guerin | abrotman: you do the stupidest things for fun |
| 12:19.46 | verden01 | its sdb but when i mount it it says it can't read superblock |
| 12:19.51 | abrotman | Guerin: mt biking .. |
| 12:19.55 | Guerin | then again |
| 12:19.58 | lewis | yeh - whatever happened to Cyrix? I heard they were bought by IBM... |
| 12:19.58 | hool | abrotman: who told you that? chicks dig scars not dislocated shoulders |
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| 12:20.10 | Guerin | i went swimming naked at 3am in freezing cold water |
| 12:20.10 | abrotman | it wasn't planned .. i can assure you that |
| 12:20.11 | error403 | which kernel does Sarge run on by default? |
| 12:20.14 | abrotman | lewis: Via iirc |
| 12:20.16 | hool | lewis: they sucked and got put out of it's misury |
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| 12:20.23 | abrotman | error403: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 12:20.24 | DeathWolf | how can one with ifconfig tell an interface to be "reset"(equivalent of /renew with ipconfig) |
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| 12:20.32 | Guerin | then did it again again at about 5am |
| 12:20.37 | error403 | thanks abrotman |
| 12:20.41 | hool | Guerin: if you can't handle your drink.. don't :P |
| 12:20.48 | error403 | i gave up waiting, went with RC3 |
| 12:20.48 | abrotman | DeathWolf: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:20.51 | Guerin | hool: but i CAN :) |
| 12:20.55 | hool | suuuuuuuuuuure |
| 12:21.03 | hool | are you irish or swedish? |
| 12:21.08 | Guerin | i do this sort of thing sober |
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| 12:21.13 | oKtosiTe | abrotman: thanks... |
| 12:21.13 | Guerin | i'm from New Zealand |
| 12:21.21 | hool | Guerin: figures |
| 12:21.21 | Guerin | and I'm 1/4 irish |
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| 12:21.27 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: do you know who the channel ops are here ? |
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| 12:21.44 | oKtosiTe | abrotman: the ones that come up with !ops ? |
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| 12:21.59 | hool | Guerin: what does the enlish have against NZ people? |
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| 12:22.06 | vikasgp | !ops |
| 12:22.06 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 12:22.08 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: /msg dpkg ops oKtosiTe is a crackhead |
| 12:22.12 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: and really .. do it in /msg |
| 12:22.18 | stouset | !annoy everyone by asking when Sarge will release |
| 12:22.25 | stouset | Damn. |
| 12:22.26 | abrotman | stouset: it's already out |
| 12:22.29 | error403 | heh |
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| 12:22.41 | fajri | HAI |
| 12:22.43 | stouset | abrotman: Oh. *blink* |
| 12:22.45 | Guerin | hool: same thing they have against all colonials? |
| 12:22.50 | abrotman | stouset: HA! .. fooled you |
| 12:22.52 | hool | abrotman: but are there a cd crack for it yeat? ;) |
| 12:23.02 | Guerin | abrotman: eh? |
| 12:23.07 | kadambi | im unable to boot fc3 after installing sarge |
| 12:23.12 | kadambi | plz help |
| 12:23.18 | stouset | abrotman: You bastard =P I figured you were a lying whore, but I checked the website all the same. |
| 12:23.19 | abrotman | kadambi: it is our evil plan |
| 12:23.22 | PeTeRB | kadambi: Is that bad? |
| 12:23.26 | hool | Guerin: yeah just wondered becouse i once saw "and the NZ only goes to pubs where single sheep hangs out" |
| 12:23.28 | abrotman | stouset: sorry |
| 12:23.31 | liable | kadambi: good, move on :) |
| 12:23.31 | stouset | kadambi: How so? |
| 12:23.33 | gruad | kadambi: it's a feature ;) |
| 12:23.37 | hool | funny thing to print in a magazine |
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| 12:23.51 | stouset | kadambi: "can't boot" is pretty vague. At what point does it fail? |
| 12:23.55 | Guerin | hool: yeah, the sheep jokes are truly hilarious. |
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| 12:24.09 | hool | Guerin: like sandblasting your balls? |
| 12:24.10 | lewis | what is the motherboard size, one smaller than standard of 12" x 9.6"? |
| 12:24.10 | stouset | abrotman: I was crying yesterday when I saw the RC bug count jump by about 10 :-) |
| 12:24.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:24.20 | liable | hehe, thats a really bad response, from 5 people |
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| 12:24.31 | stouset | hool: That's fun. I highly recommend it. |
| 12:24.36 | Guerin | hool: not my cup of tea. |
| 12:24.39 | stouset | liable: What's bad about it? :-) |
| 12:24.50 | kadambi | the moment i try to boot fc3 it says file not found error number 15 |
| 12:25.07 | kadambi | gruad, hehe |
| 12:25.09 | Guerin | kadambi: does fc3 use lilo or grub? |
| 12:25.11 | hool | abrotman: do you remember the days where all the 31337 sitez had "cracked redhat isos" and they were all linked to <whatever>.edu/pub/dists :) |
| 12:25.23 | kadambi | Guerin, grub |
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| 12:25.35 | error403 | during a Sarge netinstall, should i be adding extra apt sources? |
| 12:25.42 | stouset | kadambi: Sounds like you overwrote one of the FC3 partitions. |
| 12:25.43 | ciphergoth | I'm having a hard time using a Sarge installation CD as a rescue disk; I try "linux26 root=/dev/hdb3" but it acts like it can't find the device, even though I can mount it if I boot the CD as normal and start a shell |
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| 12:25.49 | error403 | i know, RTFM right? |
| 12:25.58 | error403 | >.< |
| 12:25.59 | hool | stouset: liar :P |
| 12:26.01 | cat | error403: if you like |
| 12:26.02 | sanxiyn | error403: It will give a list of mirrors from which you can select. |
| 12:26.14 | bob2 | ciphergoth: you need tro go through the install unti lyou get to the partioner |
| 12:26.14 | error403 | it will? |
| 12:26.17 | gruad | ciphergoth: had the same problem 2.4 worked for me |
| 12:26.20 | stouset | ciphergoth: AFAIK, Sarge uses devfs-style devices. |
| 12:26.22 | bob2 | ciphergoth: then switch to vt2 and mount your hard disk |
| 12:26.27 | cat | error403: yeah |
| 12:26.28 | ciphergoth | bob2: I did that |
| 12:26.29 | kadambi | Guerin, i changed the enteries in debian grub based the enteries in fc3 even then no use |
| 12:26.34 | sanxiyn | error403: Yes, also it will recommend close mirros based on your area/territory setting. |
| 12:26.37 | stouset | ciphergoth: So you may want to try /dev/ide/disc0/etc |
| 12:26.42 | ciphergoth | bob2: and I can see the partitions on my system, and as I said even mount some of them |
| 12:26.54 | error403 | sanxiyn, at what point in the installer? |
| 12:27.00 | kadambi | stouset, NO |
| 12:27.08 | gruad | ciphergoth: oops sorry, my prob was different, installer couldn't mount CD |
| 12:27.09 | bob2 | ciphergoth: right, you can't pass it a root argument like that |
| 12:27.11 | ciphergoth | stouset: so is that root=/dev/discs/disc1/part3? |
| 12:27.14 | error403 | sanxiyn, all its given me is the cdrom pachages... |
| 12:27.15 | sanxiyn | error403: After reboot, before package selection. |
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| 12:27.49 | error403 | sanxiyn, before selecting packages, i have "Configure apt" |
| 12:27.52 | Dr_O | stouset: sarge doe NOT use devfs style devices... Well the installer probably does internally but there is no NEED to use devfs on the INSTALLED system. |
| 12:27.52 | ciphergoth | gruad: trying 2.4 now |
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| 12:28.03 | ciphergoth | no joy |
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| 12:28.22 | stouset | ciphergoth: cd /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part3, I think |
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| 12:28.23 | gruad | ciphergoth: sorry, my prob was different, red above |
| 12:28.29 | gruad | read |
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| 12:28.38 | stouset | Dr_O: We were talking about the installer. |
| 12:29.10 | ciphergoth | stouset: trying that now |
| 12:29.10 | Dr_O | stouset: Opps sorry! |
| 12:29.23 | fajri | ANJING |
| 12:29.39 | ciphergoth | stouset: nope, "VFS: Cannot open root device "ide ... part3" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 12:29.47 | ciphergoth | Please append a correct "root=" boot option. |
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| 12:30.30 | ciphergoth | that's after RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 |
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| 12:30.41 | stouset | ciphergoth: Was wroth a shot :-) |
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| 12:30.51 | ciphergoth | and other indicators that it mounted the initrd just fine |
| 12:31.30 | ciphergoth | damn, ctrl-PageUp doesn't seem to work after a kernel panic |
| 12:31.30 | ^Duffy^ | hmm, isnt there a qmail-source package in sarge? |
| 12:31.39 | bob2 | in non-free |
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| 12:32.46 | cheal | !tell ^Duffy^ about search |
| 12:32.51 | cheal | ^Duffy^: no |
| 12:32.53 | ciphergoth | this is getting me into hot water at work for using Debian at all :-( |
| 12:33.08 | cheal | !comfort ciphergoth |
| 12:33.09 | dpkg | There, there, ciphergoth. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 12:33.16 | bob2 | ciphergoth: so, when you boot with no options, then mount them later, what doesn't work? |
| 12:33.40 | masoft | anyone know a application for using Kazaa service ? |
| 12:33.47 | error403 | ok, i feel so stupid now, i found the packages i needed! |
| 12:33.53 | error403 | right in front of me |
| 12:33.54 | ciphergoth | bob2: only that I'm not then running my system, I'm just looking at it |
| 12:33.55 | visik7 | masoft run kazaa with wine |
| 12:34.00 | bob2 | ciphergoth: indeed |
| 12:34.12 | bob2 | ciphergoth: you can't boot into it from the install cd, without major fucking around |
| 12:34.12 | Guerin | masoft: use a gift client with the fasttrack-gift plugin |
| 12:34.14 | ciphergoth | I can't just /sbin/lilo to try installing my kernels with new options |
| 12:34.18 | bob2 | ciphergoth: why don't you chroot in and fix it? |
| 12:34.21 | Guerin | kazaa in wine is a stupid, stupid idea |
| 12:34.40 | Guerin | !fasttrack |
| 12:34.40 | dpkg | The FastTrack plugin isn't available in debian. Sid debs are available at http://hal.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de/debian/gift/ |
| 12:34.43 | liable | kazza is still alive? |
| 12:34.44 | visik7 | Guerin kazaa is a stupid sutpid idea |
| 12:34.49 | gruad | i thought kazaa is dead? |
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| 12:35.01 | ciphergoth | There used to be these things called "rescue disks" that allowed you to use an externel kernel to boot your running system. |
| 12:35.03 | liable | it should be |
| 12:35.08 | Guerin | visik7: agreed, but why compound stupidity with more stupidity? |
| 12:35.08 | ciphergoth | I thought install CDs doubled as rescue disks |
| 12:35.13 | visik7 | Guerin :) |
| 12:35.21 | sanxiyn | ciphergoth: Yes, d-i can be used as a rescue disk. |
| 12:35.25 | liable | ciphergoth: yes |
| 12:35.27 | aik | isn't gnutelle the same network as kazaa` |
| 12:35.30 | bob2 | ciphergoth: yes, the sarge install cd is not a rescude cd in that sense |
| 12:35.32 | bob2 | aik: no |
| 12:35.36 | ciphergoth | sanxiyn, how? |
| 12:35.36 | Guerin | no |
| 12:35.36 | sanxiyn | aik: No. |
| 12:35.39 | bob2 | ciphergoth: you need to chroot into it |
| 12:35.40 | masoft | is kazaa alive ? I just used it 2 years ago |
| 12:35.40 | aik | ok |
| 12:35.44 | pingpong | Can someone point me to some good docs on getting bluez and bluetooth working, can't seem to find any. |
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| 12:36.57 | ciphergoth | confused now. Who's right - sanxiyn or bob2? |
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| 12:37.19 | bob2 | we both are |
| 12:37.22 | bob2 | it is a rescue disk |
| 12:37.27 | bob2 | just not in the sens you're thinking |
| 12:37.30 | coachz | I have a list of files and I just want to concatenate them alphabetically to a new file. Any ideas how to do this herculean feat please ? |
| 12:37.48 | gruad | ciphergoth: there are propably better choices for a rescue disc |
| 12:37.51 | Guerin | coachz: use ls, sort and xargs |
| 12:37.52 | stouset | masoft: What does that have to do with Debian? =P |
| 12:37.57 | bob2 | coachz: for i in foo bar baz ; do cat $i ; done > ./total |
| 12:37.59 | ciphergoth | So do rescue disks in the sense I'm thinking still exist? |
| 12:38.09 | Guerin | oh |
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| 12:38.16 | jharrisonwk | coachz: using present tools or coding your own? |
| 12:38.19 | Guerin | duh me |
| 12:38.23 | seldon | coachz: cat * > foo |
| 12:38.25 | ciphergoth | glob sorts automatically |
| 12:38.28 | bob2 | ciphergoth: yes |
| 12:38.35 | coachz | jharrisonwk, with command line programs |
| 12:38.39 | stouset | ciphergoth: Yes |
| 12:38.47 | coachz | seldon, that doesn't sort them |
| 12:38.52 | bob2 | ciphergoth: I'm 99% sure sarge's install disk is not one of them |
| 12:38.57 | ciphergoth | coachz it sorts them by filename |
| 12:39.03 | seldon | cat $(echo * | sort) > foo, then |
| 12:39.05 | liable | ciphergoth: you can use the install cd if you chroot from the rescur kernel. |
| 12:39.05 | ciphergoth | coachz: what sort of sorting do you want? |
| 12:39.17 | ciphergoth | seldon: unnecessary: glob sorts. |
| 12:39.20 | coachz | just alphabetically |
| 12:39.34 | coachz | ciphergoth, so how to do it with glob ? |
| 12:39.43 | ciphergoth | coachz: what seldon said first |
| 12:39.46 | seldon | Huh? Do you mean something like cat * | sort > foo |
| 12:39.48 | seldon | ? |
| 12:39.54 | ciphergoth | no, just cat * > foo |
| 12:40.05 | ciphergoth | the glob expansion will list the matching files in alphabetical order |
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| 12:40.20 | coachz | so i should be able to do cat *.htm > all.html ? |
| 12:40.40 | ciphergoth | liable: talk me through that? Mount the root, chroot into it, then...? |
| 12:40.45 | stouset | coachz: That will take the contents of every .htm file in the current directory, and put them sequentially into all.html. |
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| 12:41.00 | seldon | I don't think it works with html files, what with the tags and all. |
| 12:41.01 | coachz | alphabetically ? |
| 12:41.05 | coachz | ahh |
| 12:41.19 | liable | ciphergoth: well, once its mounted, what do you want todo? |
| 12:41.57 | seldon | The files would be concanetated alright, but it won't be valid html anymore |
| 12:42.14 | ciphergoth | bugger. Err, rerun LILO, only now LILO seems to have gone away altogether |
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| 12:42.34 | ciphergoth | coachz: you have bigger problems than concatenation. A tool to join together different HTML files is a more complex job |
| 12:42.49 | liable | ciphergoth: its devfs so mount /dev/ide/bus0/lun0/blah/blah cant remember\ |
| 12:42.52 | lewis | http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/hz/index.htm - does anyone see any problems with this fitting in to a 1U case? |
| 12:42.55 | coachz | trust me if i concatenate them alphabetically it will solve my problem |
| 12:43.04 | ciphergoth | I used to use LILO. I don't remember de-installing it, but now I only have grub |
| 12:43.04 | error403 | Am i right in saying it is pointless having Debian on less than a 2Mb internet connection? |
| 12:43.16 | ciphergoth | and GRUB says "Error opening terminal: bterm" |
| 12:43.35 | coachz | cat * > all is not alphabetizing |
| 12:43.50 | gruad | error403: don't think so... |
| 12:44.00 | Landi | wwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 12:44.01 | ciphergoth | coachz: what does echo * return? In what way is it out of order? |
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| 12:44.06 | error403 | hmmm, a 30-min netinstall.... |
| 12:44.16 | ciphergoth | coachz, also, what shell are you using?# |
| 12:44.20 | coachz | bash |
| 12:44.22 | sep | error403: i'v been using debian on a 64Kbps for years. right up until last weekend :) |
| 12:44.27 | error403 | ouch |
| 12:44.35 | error403 | or just out-of-date? |
| 12:44.35 | coachz | echo * is correct |
| 12:44.38 | ciphergoth | error403, wow, I've never had a connection that big. |
| 12:44.41 | orjan | I got privoxy working on my gateway and am trying to add tor. Reading the docs they assume tor and privoxy on a single ws. What is the way to do it, a tor client on the gateway or a client on the ws or a tor server on the gateway or..? |
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| 12:44.55 | ciphergoth | coachz, then cat * will also be correct and your problem is elsewhere |
| 12:45.22 | seldon | jepp. * is expanded by the shell |
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| 12:45.41 | ciphergoth | This chroot thing isn't working out for me. I need a real rescue disk. Any recommendations? |
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| 12:46.11 | liable | ciphergoth: run grub? |
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| 12:46.20 | ciphergoth | tried that, error as above |
| 12:46.23 | Dark_Lord | Hi pals! I have a 200MB swap partition besides a ext3 Linux partition! I have 1GB of RAM. Does it make sense to have only 200MB swap? Shall I delete it or change its size? |
| 12:46.25 | ciphergoth | and GRUB says "Error opening terminal: bterm" |
| 12:46.26 | coachz | ciphergoth, that does not seem correct |
| 12:46.38 | coachz | wait |
| 12:46.42 | ciphergoth | coachz, perhaps not, but cat is ... aah |
| 12:46.44 | coachz | it is correct, thanks |
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| 12:47.01 | coachz | my filenames were different than my identifiers in the file |
| 12:47.04 | coachz | thanks ! |
| 12:47.06 | ciphergoth | thought so.. |
| 12:47.19 | sep | ciphergoth: whats wrong with chroot ? |
| 12:47.29 | sanxiyn | Dark_Lord: I think it's okay. |
| 12:47.39 | Dark_Lord | Does it make sense to have a swap partition with such a big RAM (1GB)?? |
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| 12:47.50 | Guerin | Dark_Lord: depends what you need. |
| 12:47.51 | sanxiyn | Dark_Lord: Yes. |
| 12:47.53 | sep | Dark_Lord: it's allways good to have a spaw |
| 12:47.53 | ciphergoth | sep: grub doesn't seem to like it... |
| 12:47.58 | sep | swap |
| 12:48.09 | ciphergoth | come on, it has to be possible to do a normal boot without all this madness, right? |
| 12:48.16 | Dark_Lord | sep: Why is it good? |
| 12:48.19 | seldon | Dark_Lord: If you want suspend to disk, then you need a swap partition. |
| 12:48.41 | sep | ciphergoth: uuh what does grub have to do with chroot ? in any case |
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| 12:49.22 | Dark_Lord | seldon: But does Debian make use of it when theres the 1GB RAM?? |
| 12:49.57 | seldon | Only if you use more than 1G of RAM at the same time or suspend your system to disk |
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| 12:50.05 | ciphergoth | sep: I don't know, but I've booted my system in a sooper-weird-ass way and now I'm getting a sooper-weird-ass error |
| 12:50.06 | Guerin | jesus |
| 12:50.06 | seldon | Much the same as every other linux distro does |
| 12:50.13 | sanxiyn | seldon: ? |
| 12:50.15 | Guerin | it's only 200mb, disk space is cheap |
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| 12:50.29 | Guerin | you're already wasted enough time thinking about it |
| 12:50.35 | sanxiyn | seldon: I think Linux may use swap even if it has memory left. |
| 12:50.44 | Dark_Lord | seldon: So can I delete it? |
| 12:50.47 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: it might use swap even if you have 1 GB of ram yes, but need it as such, probably not |
| 12:50.47 | ciphergoth | sanxiyn, I agree |
| 12:50.51 | seldon | may, but usually doesn't. |
| 12:50.54 | sanxiyn | Dark_Lord: It doesn't matter. Do whatever you want. |
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| 12:51.03 | ciphergoth | seldon, are you sure? |
| 12:51.15 | sanxiyn | seldon: Using memory for disk cache and paging very inactive process to swap makes sense, no? |
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| 12:51.37 | Gathond | seldon: depends on how long the system runs |
| 12:51.39 | quitte | Gathond: running outr of memory with 1G isnt that hard |
| 12:51.42 | Dark_Lord | heh, now you made me confused - someone says its better to have the swap, someone not! |
| 12:51.52 | Gathond | quitte: depends on what you use the machine for |
| 12:51.57 | sanxiyn | And you don't need to run out of memory to get benefits of swap anyway. |
| 12:52.02 | ciphergoth | so, am I to conclude that no-one here has booted their system from a rescue disk in recent times? Amazing - we used to do it all the time in the old days... |
| 12:52.13 | kosmonautti | usually a separate swap partition is recommended |
| 12:52.31 | liable | err, no, havent you just done it? |
| 12:52.32 | Dark_Lord | Yep but does it make the system faster when only 200MB?? |
| 12:52.40 | sep | Dark_Lord: it depends on your usage of your computer, it may increase performance in some situation in other it dosnt matter. with todays cheap mem, i guess it's a preferences choise |
| 12:52.43 | ciphergoth | Dark_Lord, probably by not much |
| 12:52.44 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: it might, in some situations |
| 12:52.50 | quitte | Dark_Lord: i cant imagine a reason wxcept maybe laptop use where you want the disk to idle as much as possible where having no swap would improve things |
| 12:52.57 | Dark_Lord | I thought itd be 2x the size of RAM!! |
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| 12:53.09 | liable | ciphergoth: I thought you were in? |
| 12:53.14 | Dr_O | ciphergoth: I guess many people use knoppix (or simmilar) for rescue purposes... Here at work I netboot to an NFS root debuian ssyetm for rescue purposes |
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| 12:53.30 | sanxiyn | ciphergoth: With d-i, get d-i components, stop, get shell, mount /dev/ide/... /target, chroot. |
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| 12:53.40 | sep | ciphergoth: nomatter what rescudisk i boot i allways end up using chroot anyways.... |
| 12:53.40 | Dr_O | !rescue |
| 12:53.41 | dpkg | rescue is, like, at http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ |
| 12:53.44 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: that is mostly a rule of thump, from the days where 8 MB memory was normal, but it all depends on the usage |
| 12:53.50 | sanxiyn | Dr_O: Thanks! |
| 12:53.52 | adaran | is it possible to search for a package providing file foo.bar? |
| 12:53.56 | stouset | Dark_Lord: AFAIK, the kernel still performs better when there is a swap partition, so you should probably still have one. |
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| 12:54.03 | Gathond | adaran: packages.debian.org or apt-file |
| 12:54.04 | jm_ | adaran: yes |
| 12:54.08 | adaran | i need "gltk.h" and i don't know which package to install |
| 12:54.11 | sanxiyn | stouset: I heard that too, but I forgot the reference. |
| 12:54.19 | stouset | Dark_Lord: Because even if you don't need 1G of memory for running programs, the kernel still uses memory for caching. |
| 12:54.20 | adaran | Gathond, i tried packages.debian.org without luck. i'll try apt-file though |
| 12:54.22 | sanxiyn | I once read a good article on swap partition, explaining details... :( |
| 12:54.24 | nkuttler | adaran: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:54.37 | Dark_Lord | stouset: Aha, thanks |
| 12:54.45 | jm_ | adaran: p.d.o works if you use the right input field |
| 12:54.45 | stouset | Dark_Lord: So letting it swap out things that really won't ever end up needing to be swapped in again lets you have slightly more cache space, making the system faster. |
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| 12:54.54 | liable | ciphergoth: well, just mount root from the cd and run grub. |
| 12:55.08 | Gathond | adaran: iirc they search in the same datafiles, so if packages.debian.org cant find it apt-file probably wont either, unless it is in some unofficial repository you use |
| 12:55.10 | sanxiyn | For using d-i as rescue disk, http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ Q 28. |
| 12:55.32 | Gathond | adaran: however check that you used the correct field on packages.debian.org |
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| 12:55.58 | adaran | i see. well gltk is part of the opengl/mesa development files - i can't imagine those beeing missing in the official repositories, so i guess i must have made an error searching |
| 12:55.58 | Dark_Lord | stouset: But I cant still undrstand why the system should cache to disk when theres enough RAM!! |
| 12:56.11 | sanxiyn | Dark_Lord: There's never enough RAM. |
| 12:56.21 | sanxiyn | Dark_Lord: If you have enough RAM, you could have entire hard disk on RAM... |
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| 12:56.51 | ciphergoth | the FAQ reference is really useful - thanks! |
| 12:56.55 | ciphergoth | Following those instructins now |
| 12:56.56 | Dark_Lord | sanxiyn: Ok, but if theres only 200MB swap compared to the 1GB of RAM, does it speed up the system really so much?? |
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| 12:57.09 | sanxiyn | Dark_Lord: I have no idea. Your choice. |
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| 12:57.32 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: do you really need the 200 MB of diskspace for something else? it wont hurt having it |
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| 12:57.46 | adaran | Gathond, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=gltk.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 -- i believe those are correct, to the best of my knowledge |
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| 12:57.56 | Dark_Lord | I just asked as I have 6 partitions on a disk< so I wanted to reduce the number of partitions!! |
| 12:58.20 | stouset | Dark_Lord: I just explained that. |
| 12:58.25 | kosmonautti | Dark_Lord: calm down |
| 12:58.29 | Gathond | adaran: should be yes, but then I doubt apt-file will find it |
| 12:58.31 | stouset | Dark_Lord: What does the number of partitions matter/ |
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| 12:58.41 | Dark_Lord | Gathond: Ok, thanks |
| 12:58.55 | sanxiyn | adaran: I can't find gltk.h with apt-file, too. |
| 12:59.01 | stouset | Dark_Lord: When you run programs, there are parts of the code that the kernel will likely never touch. And it will discover this, and put them into swap. |
| 12:59.05 | Dark_Lord | Gathond: So in any case it's better to have one, isnt it? |
| 12:59.06 | adaran | so does anyone know what i need? i'm trying to compile the opengl hello world (well any version of it), and they all need gltk.h |
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| 12:59.21 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: basically, in my oppinion anyway |
| 12:59.34 | Dark_Lord | Gathond: Thanks |
| 12:59.40 | stouset | Dark_Lord: Putting this into swap allows a bit more space for using that memory *usefully*, like for caching the contents of the disk. |
| 12:59.40 | coachz | exit |
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| 12:59.47 | Gathond | stouset: however in my ecperience the kernel wont detect that before after 3-4 days, so depending on the machine usage it might/might not matter |
| 12:59.47 | dpkg | slayerxp <~Mart@burningchrome.demon.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 1h 44m 9s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 12:59.53 | stouset | Dark_Lord: I'm trying to dig you up a link explaining this. |
| 13:00.05 | Cope | !seen slayer98 |
| 13:00.05 | dpkg | slayer98 <~Mart@burningchrome.demon.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 1h 27m 23s ago, saying: 'Powered: no, you joined #debian by mistake'. |
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| 13:00.14 | stouset | Gathond: Bah, usually much earlier than that. The kernel paging algorithm is pretty damn good. |
| 13:00.22 | Cope | !seen slayerce |
| 13:00.22 | dpkg | slayerce <~Mart@burningchrome.demon.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11d 54m 37s ago, saying: '!confuse bdlug'. |
| 13:00.30 | sanxiyn | adaran: Still there? |
| 13:00.35 | adaran | sanxiyn, yes |
| 13:00.41 | Gathond | stouset: not my experience, but then again that might be because of the usage pattern for the machine |
| 13:00.47 | masoft | Cope, why you don't use /msg dpkg seen ? |
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| 13:01.02 | masoft | Cope, it's make room noisy with ! |
| 13:01.05 | sanxiyn | adaran: I think gltk is a thing of past, and there should be updated demo using glut. |
| 13:01.07 | m4lu7 | what's the "task" to install x-windows? |
| 13:01.10 | Gathond | and more excatly the amount of memory used by processes |
| 13:01.15 | Cope | masoft: apologies :-) |
| 13:01.18 | Dark_Lord | Ok so whats the best size for the swap?? |
| 13:01.35 | adaran | sanxiyn, oh. unfortunately, the most popular introductions seem to fail to mention that =( |
| 13:01.40 | xcyborg | when will the space from the topic tell us that sarge was released ? :P |
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| 13:01.42 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: there is no absolute value :) |
| 13:01.46 | Dark_Lord | Are the 200MB enough? |
| 13:02.09 | sanxiyn | adaran: gltk = GL ToolKit, GLUT = GL Utility Toolkit. |
| 13:02.13 | Dark_Lord | Gathond: I know but I've read many times itd be 2x as big as the RAM! |
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| 13:02.20 | Dark_Lord | At least 2x as big |
| 13:02.32 | sanxiyn | adaran: (GLUT is in freeglut3-dev in Debian.) |
| 13:02.36 | ArCePi | Dark_Lord, I have 200MB and this works ok |
| 13:02.42 | ArCePi | (having 512MG of ram) |
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| 13:02.55 | ArCePi | 512MB i mean |
| 13:02.57 | stouset | Dark_Lord: |
| 13:02.58 | stouset | http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
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| 13:03.05 | Dark_Lord | stouset: Thanks much |
| 13:03.06 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: yes, but that is an old rule, from when swap was usually required because the machine actually had to little memory |
| 13:03.15 | stouset | Dark_Lord: 200MB will probably be enough. |
| 13:03.21 | adaran | sanxiyn, i see. so glut is used to draw windows i can put opengl stuff in? |
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| 13:03.26 | sanxiyn | adaran: Exactly. |
| 13:03.37 | Dark_Lord | stouset: ok |
| 13:03.39 | sanxiyn | adaran: (Drawing windows, and also receiving events.) |
| 13:03.49 | stouset | Dark_Lord: The 2x the amount of RAM thing was an old rule of thumb. Now it's "whatever you might need or fine useful" with 256 probably being the lower bound (really, do you *need* 256MB of disk?) |
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| 13:04.01 | Dark_Lord | Ok, and shall I have the swap right after the ext3 partition or could it be elsewhere?? |
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| 13:04.12 | sanxiyn | Dark_Lord: Doesn't matter. |
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| 13:04.34 | stouset | Dark_Lord: Pedantically speaking, it would probably be best if you put it as the last partition, so it was at the end of the disk. |
| 13:04.36 | Dark_Lord | sanxiyn: okey |
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| 13:04.46 | stouset | Dark_Lord: That way your other partitions have slightly better performance. |
| 13:04.49 | sep | Dark_Lord: put it last you might save some ns 's :P |
| 13:04.52 | adaran | sanxiyn, hmm i believe larger projects use sdl for that? |
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| 13:05.03 | sanxiyn | adaran: Not necessarily. GLUT is fine. |
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| 13:05.23 | adaran | sanxiyn, for small to medium sized projects - at least that's what the glut ppl say on the hp =) |
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| 13:05.32 | stouset | Dark_Lord: But it would be barely noticeable. |
| 13:05.41 | bob2 | SLEEP NOW IN THE FIRE. |
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| 13:06.04 | stouset | adaran: SDL is probably better for than that GLUT. |
| 13:06.24 | Dark_Lord | And have you noticed any difference between having and not having the swap partition?? |
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| 13:06.44 | adaran | i'm just getting a first impression - all i want to do right now is compile a sample program =) |
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| 13:07.08 | adaran | well compiling works, it seems, now linking fails :P |
| 13:07.25 | Dark_Lord | I mean if someone has noticed some performance boost?? |
| 13:07.27 | sanxiyn | adaran: Which tutorial you are using? |
| 13:07.30 | adaran | w00t! it works. |
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| 13:07.37 | adaran | sanxiyn, http://www.opengl.org/resources/code/basics/samples/accum.c |
| 13:07.50 | adaran | sanxiyn, they didn't provide any linker flags, but -lgl did it =) |
| 13:07.59 | sanxiyn | adaran: I highly recommend http://nehe.gamedev.net/lesson.asp?index=01 |
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| 13:08.03 | sanxiyn | NeHe. |
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| 13:08.09 | adaran | sanxiyn, black, green, red and yellow never looked so beatifuil =) |
| 13:08.19 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: haven't experimented with it |
| 13:08.26 | adaran | sanxiyn, downloaded a lesson 2 linux tarball - it used gltk.h |
| 13:08.28 | Dark_Lord | Gathond: Aah:-) |
| 13:08.32 | adaran | sanxiyn, so i thought those were outdated |
| 13:08.43 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: and it might as stated depend alot on the usage pattern used to test it |
| 13:08.43 | sanxiyn | adaran: Oops, does NeHe uses gltk? |
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| 13:09.14 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: basically the impact of having swap on a system with enough RAM is that the kernel can have a larger file cache |
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| 13:09.33 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: there keeping more disk data cached in memory |
| 13:09.36 | abrotman | slackers |
| 13:09.41 | lewis | have you guys ever heard of removing audio connectors from a motherboard, so it can fit into a 1U case? |
| 13:09.44 | adaran | sanxiyn, not sure, the actual source seems to be contributed by other people |
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| 13:09.58 | adaran | sanxiyn, but go to lesson two, download the linux code samples, you'll find that it uses gltk.h |
| 13:10.07 | abrotman | lewis: how big are those audio connectors ? |
| 13:10.08 | bob2 | lewis: you'd want to be very very very good with a soldering iron |
| 13:10.18 | bob2 | and not worried about not having a warranty |
| 13:10.20 | lewis | abrotman: good to see you back.... |
| 13:10.25 | stouset | Dark_Lord: There will be a performance benefit. Nobody's claiming it'll be massive, but it can be useful. There's really no need NOT to include swap, other than people's misconceptions about it. |
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| 13:10.30 | lewis | bob2: well, I found this Intel motherboard which I really like... |
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| 13:10.36 | bob2 | lewis: buy another one |
| 13:10.50 | bob2 | lewis: also, a desktop motherboard will suck in a datacentre |
| 13:10.53 | lewis | http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/hz/index.htm - and looking at the photo, the audio bits look too big... |
| 13:10.59 | sanxiyn | adaran: Indeed. |
| 13:11.00 | Gathond | Dark_Lord: wether this offers any significant performance boost depends on what the machine does, if it repeatedly accesses a large ammount of different files it probably will, if it access only a small set of files (in relation to size) it probably wont (as these would also fit in the smaller mamory availabla if no swap was present |
| 13:11.08 | adaran | sanxiyn, yep, and they are windows centric, it seems =) |
| 13:11.10 | sanxiyn | adaran: Well, good luck with GL adventure :-) |
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| 13:11.13 | bob2 | Wyzard: so people get a happy surprise! |
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| 13:11.19 | abrotman | lewis: sarge wasn't released in my abscense .. i'm pissed :) |
| 13:11.21 | jm_ | lewis: you can often unscrew and remove those |
| 13:11.22 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 13:11.24 | Prog | ciao |
| 13:11.27 | abrotman | i was gone for .. what .. 30 minutes ? |
| 13:11.30 | Wyzard | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:11.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: and why aren't you at work ? |
| 13:11.35 | abrotman | Wyzard: i saw |
| 13:11.37 | Prog | ho un problema con vfat |
| 13:11.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: about to leave |
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| 13:11.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: ah .. gotcha |
| 13:11.46 | ciphergoth | bugger me backwards with a bargepole, I'm in! |
| 13:11.48 | lewis | bob2: i guess - i'll re-search, just, I found a link of: http://www.inpc.kiev.ua/barebones1u.htm - where in the top picture, they should the same motherboard with the audio connectors removed |
| 13:12.02 | adaran | sanxiyn, thank you. i'll prolly dive into sdl first though |
| 13:12.02 | bob2 | lewis: get one with a bios you can talk to over the serial port |
| 13:12.06 | fas3r | hi all |
| 13:12.08 | stouset | abrotman: Sarge was released. |
| 13:12.12 | ciphergoth | Of course, it helps to try and chroot to the Debian system on my hard drive, rather than some HedRat system left lying about on another drive... |
| 13:12.12 | adaran | sanxiyn, which i won't be able to, since i can't install the -dev packages =) |
| 13:12.18 | sanxiyn | adaran: ? |
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| 13:12.24 | lewis | bob2: oh ok - how come? I'd have to plug something into the serial port :P |
| 13:12.25 | abrotman | stouset: did you know gullible isn't in the dictionary ? |
| 13:12.27 | bob2 | stouset: it's released when it's announced |
| 13:12.36 | bob2 | lewis: you're getting it colocated, right? |
| 13:12.37 | Prog | hi |
| 13:12.37 | stouset | abrotman: Sure it is. |
| 13:12.47 | Prog | i have a trouble with vfat |
| 13:12.51 | stouset | abrotman: But I'm serious. It was released. I've been running it for months now ;) |
| 13:12.55 | abrotman | stouset: are you sure ? |
| 13:12.55 | Prog | someone can help me? |
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| 13:13.05 | abrotman | stouset: don't make me come over there! |
| 13:13.05 | Gathond | Prog: understandable, the filesystem stinks |
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| 13:13.13 | lewis | well, I have a 1U machine, which is fairly colocated, but not in a datacentre yet, more office datacentre, and it needs a new motherboard... |
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| 13:13.15 | adaran | sanxiyn, infofficial kde 3.4 packages, but sdl depends on < 3.4 =) |
| 13:13.20 | gromf | hello everybody ! |
| 13:13.25 | lewis | i didn't expect intel to have single p4 server boards, but I will look now... |
| 13:13.28 | adaran | sanxiyn, hopefully (and i'm beating a dead horse here) sarge will be here soon |
| 13:13.31 | stouset | abrotman: I thought you were going to anyways, and we were going to grab some beers ;) |
| 13:13.39 | lewis | i am looking for a microatx intel board, with onbuilt lan/video |
| 13:13.45 | Guerin | stouset: it wasn't released. It escaped. |
| 13:13.58 | abrotman | stouset: i need to get there first! |
| 13:14.07 | gromf | I have a problem with pivot_root |
| 13:14.17 | sanxiyn | adaran: Shoot, get SDL without sound part. |
| 13:14.17 | bob2 | lewis: ah, less of a big deal then |
| 13:14.45 | lewis | bob2: although it may eventually end up in a datacentre - what's wrong with a intel desktop board? |
| 13:14.46 | abrotman | so .. erm .. i should dist-upgrade before the rush? |
| 13:14.49 | sanxiyn | Eh, that doesn't work. I see. |
| 13:14.51 | stouset | Guerin: Haha. |
| 13:15.15 | stouset | Guerin: It was leaked ;) |
| 13:15.15 | kevin__ | hi, somewhat new to linux, but totally new to Debian. |
| 13:15.15 | abrotman | i guess it really doesn't matter .. |
| 13:15.15 | abrotman | i'll just do it when i have time! |
| 13:15.15 | stouset | kevin__: Welcome to the fray =P |
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| 13:15.17 | lewis | bob2: or, is there another particular motherboard manufacturer you would recommend for small/micro ATX? |
| 13:15.21 | stouset | abrotman: You know they have planes nowadays. |
| 13:15.23 | bob2 | lewis: you can't fix it remotely, since you can't control it over a serial port |
| 13:15.27 | stouset | abrotman: They fly. I swear. |
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| 13:15.38 | adaran | sanxiyn, it's rather more complicated, the dev packages for sdl depend on the dev packages for arts which depend on the old artsd |
| 13:15.39 | abrotman | stouset: so does my car :) |
| 13:15.42 | bob2 | lewis: e.g. sparc machines let you power them on and off, reboot, twiddle bios settings over the serial port |
| 13:16.01 | kevin__ | i need drivers for a radeon 7200 and via ac97 audio |
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| 13:16.07 | stouset | abrotman: You've got one of them Moller Skycars? |
| 13:16.14 | lewis | bob2: yeh - though where I colocate has an image server which can network boot your machine, then image it, and remote power sockets... |
| 13:16.17 | kevin__ | looking everywhere and cant find |
| 13:16.22 | lewis | bob2: but I appreciate the information. |
| 13:16.28 | drac | kevin__: You allready have driver "radeon" in your XFree86 for that card. |
| 13:16.29 | abrotman | stouset: better .. jetta |
| 13:16.31 | wishie | im trying to setup an external modem in debian.. i can make it dial with minicom, but it just wont dial from 'pon' or wvdial etc |
| 13:16.46 | bob2 | lewis: that's kinda crap compared to being actually able to fix it, tho :) |
| 13:16.50 | wishie | i also noticed that from within minicom, the modem doesnt answer 'OK' to anything. |
| 13:16.51 | gromf | I have a kernel panic : "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file" |
| 13:16.57 | wishie | anyone help me with this ? |
| 13:17.00 | kosmonautti | lewis: Intel Desktop Board D915GAG has at least integrated video/lan and is micro atx |
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| 13:17.11 | jm_ | wishie: chat has verbose switch, it will make it log things - also make sure it's initialized properly |
| 13:17.22 | kevin__ | i installed sarge and it didnt see it. what do i do? |
| 13:17.33 | wishie | jm_: how does minicom do it ? |
| 13:17.33 | stouset | gromf: Sounds like a bad initrd. Did you compile your own kernel? |
| 13:17.34 | abrotman | kevin__: it's the radeon driver |
| 13:17.39 | jm_ | wishie: do what? |
| 13:17.44 | lewis | kosmonautti: cool - let me have a look |
| 13:17.45 | wishie | initialize |
| 13:17.53 | ArCePi | bye |
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| 13:17.57 | wishie | the modem works from minicom, but not with anything else |
| 13:17.59 | jm_ | wishie: it sends it to the mode, it's just another command for it |
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| 13:18.05 | ciphergoth | looks like we're back in business - time to plug the net cable back into the Debian box. Thanks to everyone who helped! |
| 13:18.06 | jm_ | modem |
| 13:18.10 | gromf | stouset: yes I'm trying to have my sata work... |
| 13:18.11 | error403 | Just a quick question, for a nVidia FX5200 graphics card, with a LCD monitor, do i need the 'vesa' or 'nv' graph |
| 13:18.22 | error403 | *graphics drivers |
| 13:18.22 | kevin__ | new to linux, no i installed from the net install cd |
| 13:18.26 | drac | kevin__: Make sure you have this installed, with 'apt-get install x-window-system-core'.. Then configure your X with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', there is no "radeon" but there is "ati" choose it. Then 'nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' and change driver "ati" to driver "radeon" manually. |
| 13:18.27 | stouset | gromf: Sarge? |
| 13:18.30 | Gathond | Prog: please dont message me |
| 13:18.32 | Bols_ | error403, nv |
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| 13:18.41 | gromf | stouset: yes with 2.6.11 kernel |
| 13:18.41 | jm_ | error403: you might need their binary only driver if nv won't work |
| 13:18.41 | drac | kevin__: After that open up 'nano /etc/modules' and add line saying 'radeon' there. |
| 13:18.43 | Gathond | Prog: just state your problem here |
| 13:18.51 | stouset | gromf: SATA support exists in the Sarge kernels. |
| 13:18.58 | gromf | stouset: but I've done a netinstall |
| 13:19.01 | lewis | kosmonautti: the only problem is, I am tempted to think the processor in there is a 400mhz bus speed |
| 13:19.12 | lewis | kosmonautti: anyway of checking in debian the bus speed of a processor? |
| 13:19.20 | stouset | mister_debian: Ask in channel, not in private messages. |
| 13:19.23 | sadleder | error403: for my FX5200, nv didn't work, i still have to use nvidia |
| 13:19.28 | Bols_ | error403, and 'nvidia' if you use their binary |
| 13:19.36 | gromf | stouset: with the base kernel I have very poor tranfer rate (about 1.5Mo/s) |
| 13:19.47 | error403 | sadleder, how do install the 'nvidia' driver? |
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| 13:20.07 | Bols_ | error403, emerge nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx |
| 13:20.18 | error403 | thanks Bols_ |
| 13:20.18 | Prog | /server irc.azzurra.org |
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| 13:20.19 | drac | Bols_: Wrong channel :D |
| 13:20.20 | stouset | !ops mister_debian's voice is stolen and he doesn't know why =P |
| 13:20.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mister_debian's voice is stolen and he doesn't know why =P |
| 13:20.28 | error403 | ill try that when the install is finished |
| 13:20.33 | sep | error403: talk to dmsg and ask about nvidia and also nvidia one-liner |
| 13:20.35 | Bols_ | drac, oops.. sorry :p |
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| 13:21.19 | stouset | gromf: What makes you think you'll have better transfer rates in the vanilla kernels? Debian doesn't make massive, sweeping changes to the released kernels. |
| 13:21.27 | kosmonautti | lewis: check with dmesg |
| 13:21.29 | bob2 | stouset: someone called "mamrmmmmmaaaa" from that ip was being bloody annoying |
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| 13:21.58 | lewis | kosmonautti: ok... |
| 13:21.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 13:22.01 | stouset | bob2: Apparently, it wasn't him. |
| 13:22.02 | gromf | stouset: are Debian kernel patched with libata patch ? |
| 13:22.08 | LoRez | very bloody annoying |
| 13:22.12 | sadleder | error403: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx, make-kpkg modules afterwards. |
| 13:22.28 | bob2 | LoRez: well, it was on the clueless-over-eager-idiot line, imho |
| 13:22.32 | stouset | gromf: No clue. But I'm quite certain that many, many people are using the Debian kernels with SATA quite happily. |
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| 13:22.57 | wishie | hmm, wvdial says the modem isnt responding |
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| 13:23.05 | error403 | thanks sadleder ill try that when i have finished installing |
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| 13:23.17 | gromf | stouset: So am I but I'd like to have a "normal" transfer rate... |
| 13:23.19 | kevin__ | do i run that in a terminal? |
| 13:23.23 | mister_debian | does anyone knows about a ready made install cd that enables ssh console ? I need it to install on a headless server |
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| 13:23.35 | Beaky | what's the difference between businesscard and netinstall ISOs ? |
| 13:23.42 | lewis | hmm - Pentium 4 2.4Ghz, 512k Level 2 cache, I remember from boot, the BIOS says, 2.40B, let me check intel, to see whether it is 400Mhz FSB or 533Mhz - any other debian commands I can do though? |
| 13:23.44 | Beaky | apart from the size ;) |
| 13:23.49 | jm_ | Beaky: size |
| 13:23.52 | Gathond | Beaky: size Im guessing |
| 13:23.59 | stouset | gromf: Understood. Try one of the other versions of prepackaged kernels, then, it may be a bug in the one you were using. |
| 13:24.00 | mikeX | Beaky, less stuff inside |
| 13:24.04 | bob2 | Beaky: the netinstall ones include the base system packages on the disk |
| 13:24.09 | kosmonautti | lewis: if you use dmesg, try to search for a kernel message like "kernel: ..... host bus clock speed is ???.? MHz" |
| 13:24.11 | sep | mister_debian: you can use fai to do many headless installs i belive. or just nstall on a serial console perhaps |
| 13:24.16 | Gathond | Beaky: probably less packages included on the buisness card CD's |
| 13:24.17 | bob2 | Beaky: the business card ones get *everything* off the internet |
| 13:24.19 | Beaky | but it's still suitable for net installs, right? |
| 13:24.24 | OasisABC | Hi guys, someone knows something about Sarge release ? |
| 13:24.26 | stouset | gromf: You may also want to check the BTS for the kernel you were having problems with, and if a bug report doesn't exist, file one as "Important" |
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| 13:24.31 | mikeX | Beaky, both are afaik |
| 13:24.32 | jm_ | Beaky: of course |
| 13:24.33 | kosmonautti | lewis: that isn't very helpful though :F |
| 13:24.34 | Beaky | thanks all anyway |
| 13:24.39 | Gathond | Beaky: sure, there is a 10 MB netinstall image somewhere I normally use |
| 13:24.39 | mikeX | OasisABC, topic |
| 13:24.43 | jm_ | you'll just have to download more later |
| 13:24.43 | cormstar | is there an option for 2.6 in the debian-installer?? |
| 13:24.49 | mister_debian | yes, I know about serial console, but this time I have only network :-( |
| 13:24.54 | zOap | !-dno |
| 13:24.57 | lewis | ah - but the only 2.40B was 533Mhz |
| 13:25.01 | zOap | !d-no |
| 13:25.01 | dpkg | from memory, d-no is Den norske debian kanalen #debian-no, for skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel for scandinavian users. #debian-no |
| 13:25.22 | jayson_I | what are the programming language using by the robot's and other AI system? |
| 13:25.55 | kosmonautti | lewis: try "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
| 13:26.01 | Gathond | why on earth a norwegian channel for scandinavian users, unless norway became the entire scandinavia overnight |
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| 13:26.09 | Aronofsky | hi guys |
| 13:26.11 | gromf | stouset: I tested 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 and vanilla 2.6.11 without libata patch: boot but poor tranfer rate |
| 13:26.11 | stouset | jayson_I: Many use lisp |
| 13:26.27 | stouset | gromf: Hm...well first off, file a bug report :-) |
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| 13:26.31 | jayson_I | stouset: ok tnx :) |
| 13:26.34 | drac | Gathond: Vikingland :) |
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| 13:26.41 | gromf | stouset: and 2.6.11 patched doesn't boot |
| 13:26.44 | lewis | kosmonautti: thanks |
| 13:26.50 | stouset | gromf: apt-get install reportbug; reportbug kernel-image-<arch>-2.6.11 |
| 13:26.51 | Aronofsky | got a pb with snmpd, i installed it, i can get basics info as hostname but it doesn't work when i try to get any information about network interfaces ? |
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| 13:26.58 | drac | kevin__: in terminal, or console. ya. |
| 13:27.04 | kevin__ | synaptic doesnt list apt-get-install |
| 13:27.05 | gromf | stouset: Ok... |
| 13:27.08 | Gathond | drac: #debian-vikings then :) |
| 13:27.10 | jm_ | Aronofsky: so tell it to do that |
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| 13:27.24 | Aronofsky | jm_, how ? |
| 13:27.29 | jm_ | Aronofsky: edit its config file |
| 13:27.32 | stouset | gromf: that will ensure it gets fixed in the package. Let me look and see if others are having the same sort of problems. |
| 13:27.41 | kevin__ | sorry new to linux |
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| 13:28.12 | tralala | kevin__: there isn't apt-get-install. There is apt-get with option install. |
| 13:28.12 | Aronofsky | jm_, i try but didn't find what to change |
| 13:28.31 | gromf | stouset: okay thanks a lot ! |
| 13:28.43 | jm_ | Aronofsky: access MyROSystem line |
| 13:29.06 | stouset | gromf: What chipset do you have? |
| 13:29.11 | error403 | never ceases to amaze me, some of the package names.... like 'kitchensync' |
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| 13:29.15 | mister_debian | does anyone knows if the aztech mdp 3858 modem is supported ? |
| 13:29.22 | lewis | kosmonautti: model: 2, stepping: 7 |
| 13:29.32 | Aronofsky | jm_, got 'access MyROSystem "" any noauth exact system none none' |
| 13:29.34 | cuti | hey anyone know where i can find mki-adapter module for 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 13:30.18 | jm_ | Aronofsky: change system to all |
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| 13:30.50 | tarzeau | four hours left... |
| 13:30.51 | kosmonautti | lewis: hmm.. |
| 13:30.51 | lewis | kosmonautti: when my BIOS starts up, it says 2.40B, and there is only one of that kind in the Intel list, for 533Mhz, but I'll try to check via the /proc/cpuinfo, with the stepping/model details. |
| 13:31.05 | error403 | ARGH |
| 13:31.08 | error403 | dammit! |
| 13:31.16 | elianto | are debian mailing lists mirrored on any newgroup? |
| 13:31.18 | stouset | error403: I always liked "pharmacy", a frontend for CVS :-) |
| 13:31.18 | kosmonautti | lewis: ok |
| 13:31.22 | error403 | why did my Sarge netinstall only have a 2.4 Kernel |
| 13:31.32 | gromf | stouset: an ICH6M |
| 13:31.32 | mikeX | error403, that's not true |
| 13:31.36 | stouset | error403: Because 2.4 is the default for the x86 architecture |
| 13:31.45 | jethro | error403: because you failed to hit F1 at the boot prompt |
| 13:31.47 | mikeX | error403, try linux26 or expert |
| 13:31.48 | jethro | !cluebat error403 |
| 13:32.04 | error403 | lol |
| 13:32.09 | error403 | damn... |
| 13:32.10 | stouset | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#intel-ich6 |
| 13:32.12 | jm_ | elianto: did you check gmane? |
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| 13:32.20 | stouset | gromf: Is that of any help |
| 13:32.21 | error403 | well, i can just install the kernel after anyway, right? |
| 13:32.30 | jethro | error403: yes. |
| 13:32.31 | sep | error403: correct |
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| 13:32.40 | jethro | error403: but make sure you *read* from now on |
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| 13:32.45 | tralala | !irritate jethro |
| 13:32.46 | dpkg | jethro: wenas how can I make my libranet werkz U FUX0RZ |
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| 13:32.55 | jethro | @annoy tralala |
| 13:32.55 | ravenbird | tralala: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 13:32.58 | error403 | hmm, havent compiled a kernel in about 2 months |
| 13:33.05 | jethro | error403: /msg dpkg debian kernel images |
| 13:33.07 | tralala | :) |
| 13:33.11 | stouset | error403: This is a good thing. |
| 13:33.16 | wishie | ok,/quit |
| 13:33.17 | error403 | it is?> |
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| 13:33.33 | jethro | fuck I always give the wrong factoid |
| 13:33.37 | stouset | error403: In fact, the length of time you can go without compiling a kernel is a direct measure of the size of your Internet penis. |
| 13:33.37 | jethro | error403: /msg dpkg debian kernel image |
| 13:33.40 | leonel | sarge .... Come out to play ! |
| 13:33.45 | leonel | haha |
| 13:33.45 | stouset | !rolling your own |
| 13:33.45 | dpkg | from memory, rolling your own is usually a bad idea, unless you're using make-kpkg on one of Debian's kernel-source packages. Unless you know what you're doing AND have a really compelling reason, there is just no goddamn point |
| 13:33.56 | tralala | error403: it is. The precompiled kernels are made by guys who happen to know a bit more than the rest about kernel compilation. |
| 13:34.11 | error403 | lol |
| 13:34.11 | error403 | ok |
| 13:34.11 | jethro | leonel: don't flood pleased |
| 13:34.16 | jethro | s/sed/se/ |
| 13:34.16 | tralala | !lol |
| 13:34.16 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 13:34.16 | error403 | but |
| 13:34.24 | streuner_ | !tell leonel about repeat |
| 13:34.24 | error403 | ... |
| 13:34.25 | error403 | wtf? |
| 13:34.32 | stouset | error403: What? |
| 13:34.32 | jm_ | elianto: don't msg me - http://www.gmane.org/ |
| 13:34.37 | error403 | nothing |
| 13:34.38 | error403 | anyway |
| 13:35.02 | gromf | stouset: it is on a laptop, and I can't modify SATA type ine the BIOS... |
| 13:35.18 | error403 | is there any way to start with your current kernel config when compiling, THEN remove certain buses, etc? |
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| 13:35.50 | stouset | gromf: Was just a thought :-) I haven't ever had the opportunity to use SATA myself, unfortunately. So I really can't help you much =\ |
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| 13:36.01 | xtension | (r6):) |
| 13:36.01 | stouset | gromf: Best of luck, man :-) |
| 13:36.13 | mutante | i installed apache (1),libapache-mod-php and php3-mysql but i still get "undefined function mysql_connect()" when trying to use PHP to connect to mysql |
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| 13:36.20 | stouset | error403: Why do you need to? It's possible, but what's the point? |
| 13:36.25 | error403 | OMG!!!!1!11!ONE!!! |
| 13:36.33 | resiak | !irritate paulswm |
| 13:36.34 | dpkg | paulswm: hi every1 who uses dvd ???/ |
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| 13:36.40 | error403 | X server actually STARTED! |
| 13:36.43 | jm_ | mutante: libapache-mod-php? |
| 13:36.45 | naula | error403: copy old .config to sourcetree |
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| 13:36.59 | naula | error403: then run: make oldconfig |
| 13:37.01 | error403 | i have NEVER had Xserver start on Debian before |
| 13:37.13 | stouset | error403: That's kind of sad =P |
| 13:37.14 | tralala | s/esh/es/ |
| 13:37.21 | naula | error403: and then: make xconfig |
| 13:37.26 | stouset | tralala: having problems with your keyboard today? :-) |
| 13:37.34 | gromf | stouset: thanks a lot anyway ! |
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| 13:37.56 | tralala | stouset: If only it was just today... :) |
| 13:37.58 | leonel | streuner_, I know about spam just Relax theres more life than this irc channel 3 lines does not harm any one |
| 13:37.58 | stouset | error403: the old config can be found in /boot/config-<version>. But I stress that there is very, very, very little reason to roll your own. |
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| 13:38.04 | error403 | thanks |
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| 13:38.13 | leonel | streuner_, spam or flood |
| 13:38.17 | stouset | tralala: Hey, at least you're quick with the s/// |
| 13:38.30 | error403 | damn Debian is fast... |
| 13:38.43 | tralala | yeah, until I start needing to s^2... |
| 13:38.45 | stouset | leonel: Fix your spacebar, you're killing my eyes. |
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| 13:38.53 | stouset | tralala: :-) |
| 13:39.11 | error403 | how do i reconfigure Xserver to give me more resolutions? |
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| 13:39.21 | error403 | i am suck on 800x600 on a 17" lcd... |
| 13:39.22 | stouset | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:39.23 | error403 | >.>< |
| 13:39.23 | sep | error403: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:39.29 | jethro | !drxx error403 |
| 13:39.29 | error403 | thanks! |
| 13:39.29 | dpkg | error403: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 13:39.32 | mutante | jm_: ok right, libapache-mod- exists only for php4 it seems, but i got for sure marked as "ii": php3, php3-mysql, apache, apache-common, apache-utils |
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| 13:39.51 | visik7 | when will a Xorg packages set be available ? |
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| 13:40.00 | resiak | !topicsmite visik7 |
| 13:40.00 | sep | visik7: after sarge is released |
| 13:40.00 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon visik7. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:40.01 | lewis | kosmonautti: well, I can definitely confirm it is Intel 2.40 0.13 micron, 478-package, stepping 7 - and I believe it has 2.40B on the bios, which means it is 533Mhz bus speed.. (and the rest of the data fits with that) |
| 13:40.02 | stouset | visik7: After Sarge is released. |
| 13:40.07 | mutante | can show phpinfo() page,but doesnt know mysql functions yet |
| 13:40.11 | stouset | sep: Get out of my brain, please. |
| 13:40.23 | jm_ | mutante: why did you install php3-mysql? |
| 13:40.26 | sep | stouset: *wave of hand* you dont need your brain.. |
| 13:40.38 | stouset | I don't need my brain. |
| 13:40.42 | sep | lol :) |
| 13:40.56 | orjan | I got privoxy working on my gateway and am trying to add tor. Reading the docs they assume tor and privoxy on a single ws. What is the way to do it, a tor client on the gateway or a client on the ws or a tor server on the gateway or..? |
| 13:40.57 | jm_ | mutante: is it uncommented in php.ini or whatever it's called? |
| 13:41.05 | mutante | jm_: because i expected it to be the one that teaches PHP the mysqlconnect() function |
| 13:41.16 | kosmonautti | lewis: Well, I really can't tell for sure but if the data fits, then it should be 533MHz? |
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| 13:41.46 | jm_ | mutante: try using php4-mysql instead |
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| 13:41.59 | lewis | yeh - I am 80% sure at the moment. |
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| 13:42.11 | lewis | any one else here know of a way to find CPU bus speed via debian? |
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| 13:42.35 | jm_ | orjan: it won't use your proxy if you use it on ws, would it? |
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| 13:43.14 | necros | bah @ topic, only reason why I joined hahaha |
| 13:43.15 | error403 | how do i restart the XServer? |
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| 13:43.32 | projectphoenix | Strg + Alt + Backspace (hard reset) |
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| 13:43.35 | nvz | error403: depends on how you started it |
| 13:43.39 | error403 | ... |
| 13:43.41 | projectphoenix | sorry Ctrl |
| 13:43.47 | error403 | well, it started on boot |
| 13:43.50 | error403 | i guess |
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| 13:44.06 | nvz | error403: then you need to restart the display manager that started the X server on b oot |
| 13:44.16 | error403 | thanks projectphoenix, that worked |
| 13:44.19 | tralala | error403: invoke-rc.d (k|g|x)dm restart |
| 13:44.21 | cast | when sarge -> stable, if i dont edit my /etc/apt/sources.list with sed/testing/stable, will i end up on sid on next aptitude upgrade? :o |
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| 13:44.46 | orjan | jm_: I tried putting tor on the gateway but couldnt get connection from the ws, any more hints? |
| 13:44.48 | error403 | i did projectphoenix's method, worked faster |
| 13:44.48 | error403 | lol |
| 13:45.07 | xtension | cast no probably not even if you did |
| 13:45.08 | sep | cast: no youl track etch the new testing |
| 13:45.10 | tralala | bah, enough lol for today! |
| 13:45.13 | Crush | cast: No, you'll end up on Etch. |
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| 13:45.27 | jm_ | orjan: well you want to start your proxy via tor, and then check what IP it's listening on |
| 13:45.35 | cahoot | lewis: doesn't the kernel figure it out and report in dmesg? |
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| 13:45.41 | xtension | Crush if he does not ... he askes |
| 13:45.42 | sep | cast: and i'd use sarge instead of stable in sources.list just incase.. |
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| 13:45.47 | lordmyren | i'm trying to compile a couple modules; openswan, ndiswrapper, fuse |
| 13:45.48 | Kaze | What is a short command to find out what my machine is using as local ip? |
| 13:45.54 | cast | curious. i have not heard of etch, i shall investigate this etch |
| 13:45.57 | lewis | it reports everything else, like level 2 cache size, but doesn't mention bus speed |
| 13:45.58 | Carma^ZzZ | have sarge become stable yet? |
| 13:46.01 | kosmonautti | lewis: The only way to check the host bus clock speed I know at the moment is to look at dmesg output in /var/log |
| 13:46.03 | cast | sep: ahh, so s/testing/sarge you suggest? |
| 13:46.05 | nvz | Kaze: ifconfig |
| 13:46.05 | mutante | Kaze: ifconfig -a |
| 13:46.06 | Kaze | The localip it was using seems to no longer work. I hope this is just becuase it changed. |
| 13:46.11 | Kaze | ifconfig -a ? Thanks :D |
| 13:46.12 | jm_ | Kaze: /msg dpkg myip |
| 13:46.23 | tralala | lordmyren: try module-assistant |
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| 13:46.29 | Crush | xtension: Correct - so he'll end up on Etch, which is what I said. |
| 13:46.37 | lordmyren | i tried just getting the kernel tree and doing a make-kpkg --added-modules openswan,ndiswrapper modules but some of the modules complain about not being configured or having makefiles |
| 13:46.37 | orjan | jm_: to start via tor, the change to forward socks4a? |
| 13:46.38 | tralala | ndiswrapper compiled without any issues here |
| 13:46.38 | sdb__ | cast: it doesn't exist yet, but it will be the next major release |
| 13:46.40 | Kaze | Okay, it just changed :D |
| 13:46.40 | sep | cast: if you intend to stick with sarge yes |
| 13:46.45 | lewis | kosmonautti: i have done that repeatedly, and nothing. I guess I should take a chance, assume it is 533Mhz, and buy the Intel motherboard. |
| 13:47.02 | sdb__ | I'm guessing etch will start as a copy of sarge? |
| 13:47.05 | jm_ | orjan: what do you mean? |
| 13:47.32 | visik7 | sdb__ most probably as a copy of sid |
| 13:47.38 | lordmyren | tralala: nice, i'll try and rock it |
| 13:47.44 | Carma^ZzZ | have sarge become stable yet? |
| 13:47.51 | lordmyren | jm_: are you a real person or a very very very smart bot? why are you still awake/? |
| 13:47.52 | nvz | Carma^ZzZ: /topic |
| 13:47.57 | Crush | Carma^ZzZ: /topic |
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| 13:47.59 | tarzeau | dpkg topicbudger Carma^ZzZ |
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| 13:48.02 | orjan | jm_: you asid "you want to start your proxy via tor", does that mean to forward tsocks in privoxys config? |
| 13:48.03 | visik7 | !topicsmite Carma^ZzZ |
| 13:48.03 | sdb__ | visik7, really? so everything in sid goes straight in? |
| 13:48.04 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Carma^ZzZ. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:48.10 | jm_ | lordmyren: a real person |
| 13:48.11 | kosmonautti | lewis: you got socket LGA775 processor? |
| 13:48.20 | gromf | Mage\work: are you here ? |
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| 13:48.39 | jm_ | orjan: I don't quite remember how one is supposed to use tor, isn't it via LD_PRELOAD-ed library? |
| 13:48.43 | lewis | erm - socket 478 I believe. |
| 13:48.53 | Mage\work | gromf: yes |
| 13:49.14 | visik7 | sdb__ I supose so |
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| 13:49.34 | orjan | jm_: hmm I only looked at setting it up as a client |
| 13:49.38 | gromf | Mage\work: I have built my own kernel as you told me, but my SATA drive doesn't work better... |
| 13:49.51 | kosmonautti | lewis: The motherboard I mentioned seems to require socket LGA775 processor |
| 13:50.09 | lewis | hey - i will look into it, and search for some more |
| 13:50.11 | kosmonautti | lewis: it's the new intel standard |
| 13:50.13 | Mage\work | gromf: have you put kernel support for your motherboard ? |
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| 13:50.38 | gromf | Mage\work: what do you mean by "support for your motherboard" ? |
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| 13:50.51 | Mage\work | the ICH6 chipset |
| 13:50.51 | jm_ | orjan: I mean as a client |
| 13:51.14 | Kaze | Is there a way, using ifconfig to make the machine manually choose a localip to use? |
| 13:51.20 | gromf | yes... |
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| 13:51.43 | error403 | for a AMD Sempron, will i be wanting the i686 or K7 kernel? |
| 13:51.44 | vvviper|a | if i want 2 sources in /etc/apt/sources.list for testing main... do i just them one after another? |
| 13:51.44 | Kaze | (Without having to go through all the other manual settings and getting rid of DHCP entirely) |
| 13:51.45 | xtension | Kaze ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 13:51.51 | jm_ | error403: the latter |
| 13:51.54 | error403 | ok |
| 13:51.56 | error403 | thanks jm_ |
| 13:52.12 | vvviper|a | err i meant, do i just LIST them one after another? |
| 13:52.24 | Crush | vvviper|a: yes |
| 13:52.26 | vvviper|a | ie: deb ftp://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ testing main |
| 13:52.26 | vvviper|a | deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ testing main |
| 13:52.29 | Kaze | Thanks :D |
| 13:52.35 | vvviper|a | ah okay cool, wasnt sure if there was something else to it |
| 13:52.37 | tarzeau | error403: k7 |
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| 13:52.42 | zoid | how does one go about getting a packge of theirs into debian? |
| 13:52.45 | Kaze | Its always basic stuff like this that fouls me up. |
| 13:52.45 | jm_ | vvviper|a: two separate deb entries, check the examples |
| 13:52.57 | tarzeau | zoid: harrass a developer |
| 13:53.09 | tarzeau | zoid: what pacakge is it? |
| 13:53.10 | error403 | is there a source i can use to get KDE 3.4 installed? |
| 13:53.15 | tarzeau | error403: no |
| 13:53.22 | error403 | there isnt? |
| 13:53.24 | zoid | tarzeau: heh, ackerTodo (http://ackertodo.sf.net) |
| 13:53.27 | error403 | compile from source then? |
| 13:53.27 | tarzeau | error403: there is, but if you have to ask |
| 13:53.30 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 13:53.31 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 13:53.33 | Rickdangerous | error403, it's in experimental if you are using unstable. |
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| 13:53.36 | tarzeau | error403: read that, about experimental |
| 13:53.45 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: he'd know, if he did |
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| 13:53.49 | error403 | thanks |
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| 13:54.05 | tarzeau | zoid: where to check your packages? are they lintian clean? |
| 13:54.06 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, how about bobble bubble? :) |
| 13:54.08 | xtension | tarzeau is the game ...ball2 (?) updated ? regarding the bug and so |
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| 13:54.15 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: tonight, 4 hours left |
| 13:54.25 | tarzeau | xtension: no, will do that this week |
| 13:54.33 | lordmyren | damn, i want to go play some bubble bobble. |
| 13:54.34 | gromf | Mage\work: I have enabled SCSI and SATA in Device Drivers |
| 13:54.37 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, ok bu will be atching LOTR 3 on tv |
| 13:54.39 | tarzeau | xtension: really sorry, my fault |
| 13:54.42 | Rickdangerous | watching* |
| 13:54.43 | tarzeau | lordmyren: you also? |
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| 13:54.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: you got the server up again ? |
| 13:54.48 | zoid | tarzeau: not sure, i just started looking into debian packaging today (got it built and installed, looks good...then removes good as well) |
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| 13:54.50 | xtension | tarzeau np |
| 13:54.51 | lordmyren | half life 2 is taking WWWAYY too long to update. i'm getting like 20 k/sec from this stupid STEAM update. |
| 13:54.55 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 13:54.55 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 13:54.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: yep, hardware failure |
| 13:55.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: eep |
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| 13:55.06 | jayson_I | what are WYSIWYG in linux distribution? |
| 13:55.08 | lordmyren | tarzeau: got a ROM perchance? all i got is the hard copy. ;) |
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| 13:55.16 | tarzeau | zoid: run lintian -Ivi *.changes |
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| 13:55.28 | Erpo | Is there a good place to find the status of X.org in debian in a human readable format? I've /msg'd dpkg xorg and checked out http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk/debian/ but what I'm really looking for is "xy percent complete". |
| 13:55.29 | tarzeau | lordmyren: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros |
| 13:55.39 | tarzeau | lordmyren: we have TEH MULTIPLAYER 10 DRAGON VERSION |
| 13:55.42 | lordmyren | this module-assistant thing is CREEPY. how augomagic does it get |
| 13:55.45 | stouset | Erpo: There's no "xy percent complete" |
| 13:55.47 | Rickdangerous | Erpo, it should be unstable soon. |
| 13:55.47 | lordmyren | wwwhhhhaaa?! |
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| 13:55.57 | stouset | Erpo: Because, AFAIK, nobody's worked on it much since they're trying to release Sarge. |
| 13:55.58 | tarzeau | lordmyren: be there. tonight. |
| 13:56.03 | abrotman | Erpo: you could eamil the debian-x people |
| 13:56.16 | tralala | lordmyren: uh, huh? |
| 13:56.20 | stouset | Erpo: Best estimate? Probably within a month of Sarge being released, likely sooner. |
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| 13:56.24 | lordmyren | tarzeau: i'll try and bring friends. ;) |
| 13:56.28 | jayson_I | what are WYSIWYG in linux distribution? |
| 13:56.31 | tarzeau | zoid: did you file an itp already? |
| 13:56.39 | stouset | jayson_I: What You See Is What You Get |
| 13:56.40 | nunez | Anybody port any exploits into framework? |
| 13:56.41 | Rickdangerous | jayson_I, what what are? |
| 13:56.41 | shad0wcat | anyone know the status of OpenOffice 2.0 in debian? |
| 13:56.43 | Kaze | pico |
| 13:56.44 | Erpo | stouset: Hmm. Any idea for a ballpark release of Sarge? |
| 13:56.46 | zoid | tarzeau: no i didn't, wasn't sure of the procedure |
| 13:56.48 | Kaze | pico is the best html editor ever |
| 13:56.50 | Kaze | or nano |
| 13:56.51 | stouset | Erpo: Today ;) |
| 13:56.52 | tarzeau | lordmyren: so cool! up to 3 players at one keyboard can connect to network server |
| 13:56.53 | fatal_ | Erpo: check the debian-x mailing list. |
| 13:57.00 | Rickdangerous | shad0wcat, it's not relesaed. also it need gcj 3.4 |
| 13:57.08 | tarzeau | zoid: look for itp and debian in google news |
| 13:57.09 | stouset | Erpo: Give or take. |
| 13:57.15 | shad0wcat | Rickdangerous: hmm.... know a place where I can get more info? |
| 13:57.16 | abrotman | jayson_I: you need to be more specific |
| 13:57.21 | tarzeau | jayson_I: WYSIWYG only existed in OPENSTEP/NeXTSTEP |
| 13:57.22 | shad0wcat | (I know this isn't really the place to ask) |
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| 13:57.24 | Erpo | I'll check the mailing list. Thanks all. |
| 13:57.30 | xtension | i want to run text-mode-quake on my box |
| 13:57.33 | tarzeau | jayson_I: all the rest is cheap bullshit, which is just not what you get when you print it |
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| 13:57.35 | zoid | tarzeau: will do, thanks |
| 13:57.43 | stouset | tarzeau: PDF is :-) |
| 13:57.46 | zophyx | anyone up for a question about windows ? |
| 13:57.47 | tarzeau | stouset: BULLSHIT |
| 13:57.49 | shad0wcat | I'm contemplating whether or not I should read the 1.1.4 manual or the 2.0 draft manual |
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| 13:57.56 | tarzeau | stouset: pdf is the biggest shit i've ever seen for years |
| 13:57.56 | Rickdangerous | shad0wcat, abou packaging? jknoppix 3.9 had openoofice 2 beta so try to get those debs. |
| 13:57.58 | zophyx | read both |
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| 13:58.05 | lordmyren | tarzeau: is there any joystick support? we have 8 ps2-usb adapters over here. ;) |
| 13:58.05 | tarzeau | jayson_I: but you might want to check GNUstep |
| 13:58.11 | shad0wcat | zophyx: very funny |
| 13:58.14 | tarzeau | lordmyren: no idea, bug arigo in #bub-n-bros :) |
| 13:58.15 | deviant | hello |
| 13:58.24 | deviant | hwo can i set up dmix ? |
| 13:58.25 | xtension | tell me about another os that runs text-mode-quake eheh |
| 13:58.31 | jm_ | deviant: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 13:58.37 | shad0wcat | Rickdangerous: heh on openoffice.org it says that this month is release month |
| 13:58.37 | zophyx | shad0wcat: how else will you know which you should have read ? |
| 13:58.45 | shad0wcat | I guess they're dragging their heels |
| 13:59.03 | Rickdangerous | shad0wcat, i.e. boot knoppix and use dpkg-repack |
| 13:59.17 | shad0wcat | Rickdangerous: ok I'll check that out |
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| 13:59.27 | cahoot | deviant: for a really good intro to alsa (incl dmix) http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html |
| 13:59.31 | xtension | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.52 | shad0wcat | bah |
| 13:59.53 | brader | ok I am having a problem starting x it is failing on font "fixed" what package shoudl I reinstall to fix this? |
| 14:00.01 | Rickdangerous | shad0wcat, openoffice.org 2 intoduced java problems so delaying is better for us. |
| 14:00.01 | shad0wcat | there isn't an openoffice channel around here is there? |
| 14:00.06 | stouset | brader: What's the failure message? |
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| 14:00.16 | lordmyren | tralala: wow, module-assistant is just rediculous. |
| 14:00.20 | shad0wcat | Rickdangerous: ya the problem is that I'm about to RTFM on OpenOffice |
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| 14:00.29 | stouset | !rediculous |
| 14:00.32 | shad0wcat | so I don't want to read the whole 1.1.4 manual only to find out that it's obsolete |
| 14:00.37 | brader | stouset Failed to find font "fixed" or font fixed configured incorrectly somethign liekt hat |
| 14:00.38 | Rickdangerous | shad0wcat, instll beta in you $HOME then |
| 14:00.41 | stouset | dpkg, rediculous is ridiculous |
| 14:00.42 | dpkg | stouset: okay |
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| 14:00.57 | deviant | jm_, i`ve done what it writes there, but it doesen`t work :( |
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| 14:01.01 | stouset | brader: Do you have xfonts packages installed? |
| 14:01.06 | brader | yes |
| 14:01.15 | stouset | brader: I'm out of ideas. Google the error message? |
| 14:01.16 | naula | zoid: are you Dave "Zoid" Kirsch ? |
| 14:01.28 | stouset | !rediculous |
| 14:01.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rediculous is ridiculous |
| 14:01.31 | jayson_I | i mean like macromedia dreamweaver.. |
| 14:01.35 | stouset | Yay. I love you, dpkg. |
| 14:01.40 | brader | stouset when I do a dpkg --status xfonts-base it says I need xutils to configure |
| 14:01.44 | tralala | lordmyren: is it? |
| 14:02.03 | stouset | brader: You don't have xutils installed? |
| 14:02.08 | tralala | it seems to me it's a quick and easy way to compile modules |
| 14:02.11 | stouset | brader: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 14:02.12 | brader | stouset yes I do |
| 14:02.21 | brader | I will reinstall it thanks |
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| 14:02.33 | brader | brb flippign screens |
| 14:02.34 | shad0wcat | Rickdangerous: hmm thanks for the tip |
| 14:02.43 | Rickdangerous | shad0wcat, np |
| 14:03.07 | shad0wcat | *prays the installer doesn't break debian* |
| 14:03.13 | kickino | hey guys... when will Sarge become stable? |
| 14:03.15 | kickino | :)= |
| 14:03.21 | shad0wcat | kickino: today |
| 14:03.25 | Rickdangerous | kickino, very soon now |
| 14:03.29 | tralala | kickino: any time now |
| 14:03.30 | abrotman | hopefully today |
| 14:03.35 | drac | tomorrow |
| 14:03.37 | abrotman | maybe next week |
| 14:03.40 | abrotman | could be xmas |
| 14:03.47 | shad0wcat | abrotman: 2007! |
| 14:03.48 | tralala | or when it's ready |
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| 14:03.53 | Rickdangerous | kickino, by now probably i386 isos and torrent are ready |
| 14:03.54 | jm_ | deviant: how come it works for others? |
| 14:04.02 | abrotman | shad0wcat: oh .. i hope so |
| 14:04.06 | kickino | ah okay.. thank you guys.. :-) |
| 14:04.13 | neoXite | can i make sshd re-read its config file without having to kill it? |
| 14:04.26 | deviant | jm_, dont know. it worked for me last time. that`s why i`m askin question here :P |
| 14:04.29 | petemc | neoXite: restart it, your existing session will be fine |
| 14:04.32 | jm_ | neoXite: it's described in man page |
| 14:04.36 | Rickdangerous | neoXite, man invoke-rc.d |
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| 14:04.38 | streuner | Rickdangerous: /topic |
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| 14:04.46 | lewis | apart from Intel, what is everyone's favorite motherboard manufacturer? |
| 14:04.53 | deviant | asua |
| 14:04.55 | drac | lewis: via |
| 14:04.56 | deviant | *asus |
| 14:05.03 | Rickdangerous | streuner, I didn't ask it... |
| 14:05.13 | streuner | !topicsmite kickino |
| 14:05.13 | brader | damnit no luck |
| 14:05.14 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon kickino. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:05.18 | jm_ | deviant: there's a separate thing you need to do for OSS apps |
| 14:05.33 | streuner | Rickdangerous: read the /topic then too |
| 14:05.39 | brader | hmm maybe I purge all of X |
| 14:05.39 | Rickdangerous | streuner, bcause I know it's finalized and will bereleases today :) |
| 14:05.39 | deviant | jm_, what is ....? |
| 14:05.42 | abrocadabro | shad0wcat: you can get debian packages for openoffice from here http://people.debian.org/~halls/openoffice/test/ooo1.9-java/ |
| 14:05.43 | kickino | stealth I know, LOL :) |
| 14:05.46 | brader | brb |
| 14:05.50 | shad0wcat | bah what the hell |
| 14:05.54 | shad0wcat | rpms! |
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| 14:06.26 | jm_ | deviant: details are described on ALSA pages, I don't know them off top of my head, plus, I have a card that doesn't need this to play multiple sounds at the same time |
| 14:06.34 | shad0wcat | thanks abrocadabro |
| 14:06.37 | cahoot | deviant: for a really good intro to alsa (incl dmix) http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html |
| 14:06.40 | Rickdangerous | streuner, I always read it. (well usually) |
| 14:06.53 | deviant | cahoot, i`m readind there too. |
| 14:06.58 | abrocadabro | shad0wcat: np |
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| 14:09.56 | bwlang | anybody know how to use imagemagice to replace a color in an image? |
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| 14:10.05 | deviant | ok, guys. on ALSA-PROJECT`s page, it say that i need intel8x0 driver for nVidia nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP). but apt-get install can`t find it. |
| 14:10.15 | petemc | deviant: thats a kernel thing |
| 14:10.32 | tarzeau | bwlang: yes |
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| 14:10.47 | deviant | petemc, ermm. so i have to compile it from kernel then ? |
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| 14:10.56 | stouset | deviant: Are you using Sarge? |
| 14:11.07 | bwlang | tarzeau: let's rephrase... anybody want to tell me ? |
| 14:11.13 | deviant | stouset, i`m using ubuntu hoary |
| 14:11.17 | kingsley_ | deviant: Have you googled for intel8x0 and debian? |
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| 14:11.22 | Rickdangerous | bwlang, probably |
| 14:11.22 | tarzeau | bwlang: http://astroa.physics.metu.edu.tr/MANUALS/ImageMagick/mogrify.html look for replace |
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| 14:11.31 | stouset | deviant: First, it's a kernel module already. "modprobe intel8x0". Second, Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 14:11.33 | stouset | !ubuntu |
| 14:11.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. |
| 14:11.35 | kingsley_ | s/debian/ubuntu/ |
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| 14:11.37 | brader | Anyone know what package or how I can fix the font named "fixed" |
| 14:11.45 | tarzeau | dpkg topicbadger deviant |
| 14:11.46 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that deviant didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 14:11.49 | directhex|work | i don't think ubuntu even has oss modules, stouset |
| 14:11.55 | tarzeau | deviant: we don't want to hear that you use UBUNTO! |
| 14:12.06 | tarzeau | deviant: http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg |
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| 14:12.12 | sep | deviant: there is a channel for ubuntu support #ubuntu i think |
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| 14:12.20 | tarzeau | dpkg ubunto is http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg |
| 14:12.21 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 14:12.23 | xtension | ubuntu is so clueless can run sid , no ? |
| 14:12.31 | deviant | ok them, one offtopic question. why is it so diferent debian from ubuntu, and in what ways ? |
| 14:12.33 | stouset | directhex|work: I thought we were talking about ALSA? |
| 14:12.35 | Guerin | xtension: no |
| 14:12.36 | directhex|work | xtension, i think you missed a verb |
| 14:12.40 | tarzeau | deviant: because it sucks |
| 14:12.43 | brader | How to I modify Font defaults in X? |
| 14:12.46 | bwlang | tarzeau: i started there... replace is an argument to draw... but i don't want to draw a new shape... i just want to replace one color with another |
| 14:12.47 | mogorman | hey anyone here understand pci-hotplug stuff in the kernel |
| 14:12.47 | stouset | deviant: The same reason Mandrake and RedHat are different. |
| 14:12.48 | abrotman | deviant: they use thier own packages for somethings .. |
| 14:12.48 | directhex|work | stouset, alsa modules start with snd, e.g. snd-intel8x0 |
| 14:12.57 | stouset | directhex|work: Ah, whoops ;) I forgot about that. |
| 14:12.58 | deviant | OK, sorry guys, i`ve joind the rong channel |
| 14:12.58 | xtension | directhex|work no i didnt |
| 14:13.03 | stouset | deviant: They're different distributions. |
| 14:13.06 | tarzeau | bwlang: read it again |
| 14:13.16 | zoid | tarzeau: ok, it's lintian clean and i filed an itp...now what, sit back and wait? :) |
| 14:13.17 | tarzeau | bwlang: "The replace method recolors any pixel that matches the color of the target pixel." |
| 14:13.19 | abrotman | deviant: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 14:13.25 | tarzeau | zoid: wait 10 days. yes |
| 14:13.25 | nvz | mogorman: just ask your question |
| 14:13.26 | directhex|work | xtension, you're right, you missed the objective noun. |
| 14:13.30 | Rickdangerous | deviant, ubuntu is value added :P |
| 14:13.32 | zoid | tarzeau: cool, thanks for the help! |
| 14:13.36 | tarzeau | zoid: if nobody comes back to you, ask me again |
| 14:13.36 | green_earz | hi all, i have just finished updating the sarge images, with jido. now the i386 Binaries images are named > Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0 "Sarge" > am i right in thinking that these image are NOW the stable version of debian sarge ??? |
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| 14:13.41 | deviant | stouset, but ubuntu isn`t related to debian (exept apt-utils) ? |
| 14:13.52 | abrotman | deviant: it's derived from debian .. |
| 14:13.54 | xtension | directhex|work thanks for the information |
| 14:13.56 | bwlang | tarzeau: you read it again... yes - replace does replace colors... but its and ARGUMENT to the draw command... i don't want to draw |
| 14:14.00 | Rickdangerous | green_earz, yes |
| 14:14.05 | green_earz | thanks |
| 14:14.07 | bwlang | tarzeau: if you don't know then just say you dont konw |
| 14:14.12 | tarzeau | bwlang: you draw replaced colors, get it? |
| 14:14.13 | Rickdangerous | green_earz, apt-get dist-upgrade it tho |
| 14:14.18 | stouset | deviant: Ubuntu was derived from Debian, so they share the same lineage. Much as Mandrake was derived from RedHat. |
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| 14:14.25 | tarzeau | bwlang: DAMN I KNOW IT |
| 14:14.32 | tarzeau | bwlang: you want to hire me as a consultant? go ahead |
| 14:14.38 | brader | How to I modify Font defaults in X? |
| 14:14.44 | tarzeau | bwlang: i'm not going to type YOUR COMMANDS IN YOUR SHELL |
| 14:14.48 | bwlang | tarzeau: well - so what shape am i supposed to draw? |
| 14:14.49 | sdb__ | green_earz: r0? hmm... |
| 14:14.52 | stouset | deviant: However, there's no way we using Debian can know what changes have been made to packages in Ubuntu, or whether or not they have a different "Ubuntu way" of doing things, much like there's a "Debian way" to do most things. |
| 14:14.58 | tarzeau | bwlang: why do you want to draw a SHAPE? |
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| 14:15.05 | tarzeau | bwlang: when you want to replace colors? |
| 14:15.08 | deviant | stouset, then why is that all pll here don`t like ubuntu? |
| 14:15.22 | bwlang | tarzeau: i don't but you seem to be telling me to do that... replace is an argument to the draw command ... not a command by itself |
| 14:15.24 | tarzeau | bwlang: where is your picture? |
| 14:15.25 | sdb__ | green_earz: that sounds possible |
| 14:15.36 | bwlang | tarzeau: /tmp/foo.gif |
| 14:15.37 | directhex|work | deviant, it's not debian. debian solutions rarely apply to ubuntu. that and we waste an inordiante amount of time explaining this fact to ubuntu users |
| 14:15.40 | tarzeau | bwlang: -draw 'replace ... |
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| 14:15.48 | stouset | deviant: I wouldn't say that. Some people don't like it for various reasons, others just like to poke fun of it. Sort of like how Americans like to poke fun at Canadians. Not hostility, just good-natured ribbing. |
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| 14:15.49 | tarzeau | bwlang: CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE WEB? |
| 14:15.55 | tarzeau | bwlang: or give me your ROOT PASSWORD? |
| 14:16.00 | nvz | deviant: its not a matter of liking, its a matter of interest. if we knew about ubuntu and were interested, we would be in #ubuntu, not #debian |
| 14:16.01 | tarzeau | damn it's not even weekend |
| 14:16.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: CAN I TOUCH YOU DIRTY? |
| 14:16.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: YES GO LOWER HONEY |
| 14:16.11 | stouset | deviant: However, nobody here likes to answer questions about Ubuntu because it's not our distribution. You might as well ask us questions about Fedora or SuSE. |
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| 14:16.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:16.14 | Guerin | abrotman: s/YOU/U/ |
| 14:16.16 | bwlang | tarzeau: year - here's my root password - eatitbonehead |
| 14:16.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: FEELS SO GOOD |
| 14:16.22 | green_earz | Rickdangerous: i will be upgrading my box soon, the .iso cd 1-2-3 and dvd 1-2 image are for ebay, thanks |
| 14:16.23 | sdb__ | yeah, there's a 3.1_r0 directory... does that mean anything? |
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| 14:16.32 | tarzeau | !breastfeed bwlang |
| 14:16.38 | stouset | deviant: It strikes a particular nerve with some people because, since Ubuntu is Debian-derived, we have people asking questions about Ubuntu *all* the time. |
| 14:16.40 | tarzeau | grow baby |
| 14:16.48 | Rickdangerous | green_earz, they are most likelet genuine because sarge is finalized |
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| 14:16.54 | Rickdangerous | likely* |
| 14:16.56 | deviant | stouset, ok. i understand. i`m sorry |
| 14:17.05 | tarzeau | streuner: help |
| 14:17.05 | shad0wcat | actually |
| 14:17.08 | Rickdangerous | dpkg is a cat |
| 14:17.08 | gahan | why should i use IN MX ... mail.domain.ltd ? |
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| 14:17.11 | xtension | my screen is scrolling to fast ! please ppl , do something about it |
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| 14:17.21 | Rickdangerous | xtension, too late |
| 14:17.22 | stouset | deviant: S'okay. |
| 14:17.23 | shad0wcat | we have people asking questions for just about every debian basted distro here |
| 14:17.24 | deviant | sorry guys. don`t want to be rude. |
| 14:17.24 | tarzeau | gahan: to recieve mail? |
| 14:17.25 | abrotman | why can't i literal on factoids involving $1 anymore ? |
| 14:17.26 | shad0wcat | and its' getting annoying |
| 14:17.28 | nvz | xtension: /part #debian |
| 14:17.33 | xtension | deviant go to #ubuntu |
| 14:17.40 | nvz | or learn to read faster |
| 14:17.41 | tarzeau | nvz: i would have kicked him now :) |
| 14:17.43 | deviant | xtension, i did. |
| 14:17.53 | deviant | anyway, 10x for the help :) |
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| 14:18.02 | xtension | deviant try again |
| 14:18.03 | schrankwand | hi, how can i start a daemon that it will be controlled by tcp-wrapper? |
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| 14:18.05 | Guerin | !10x |
| 14:18.05 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 times, please spell it out: "thanks". IRC doesn't charge you by the character, nor is it AOHELL instant messenger. add a space since it's ten times not tentimes |
| 14:18.07 | Snowblind | irssi: how can i load an module on startup? |
| 14:18.11 | nvz | I took up speed reading some 7 years or so ago.. |
| 14:18.14 | gahan | tarzeau: is it obligatory? mails to domains without MX record wont be delivered? |
| 14:18.17 | xtension | deviant dont give up just becasue they re clueless |
| 14:18.19 | masoft | how can I make a DEB package ? |
| 14:18.22 | deviant | xtension, i meant, i`m on #ubuntu now |
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| 14:18.28 | tarzeau | gahan: yes it is obligatory |
| 14:18.33 | directhex|work | masoft, is the sourcve already debianized? |
| 14:18.35 | tarzeau | gahan: all the rest is broken, it might work |
| 14:18.35 | Rickdangerous | Schmiel|work, edit hosts.{allow,deny} you ahve know it's doce name for those files. |
| 14:18.41 | Guerin | dpkg, no, 10x is TEN times? Why not just do it once, properly? |
| 14:18.42 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 14:18.47 | tarzeau | masoft: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 14:18.50 | masoft | directhex|work, yes |
| 14:18.58 | directhex|work | masoft, run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:19.00 | Rickdangerous | schrankwand, ^^^ |
| 14:19.02 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.10 | furrywolf | but now I need to power everything off. :( |
| 14:19.13 | stouset | Guerin: Hahaha. |
| 14:19.23 | Dr_O | schrankwand: tcpwrappers either has to be cmoplied into the program or you have to startit via tcpd out of /etc/inetd |
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| 14:20.08 | Rickdangerous | schrankwand, if it start from inetd you put tcpd in fornt of it, otherwise shat I have prveiosly said |
| 14:20.14 | Dr_O | schrankwand: err sorry I meant via /usr/sbin/tcpd out of /etc/inetd.conf |
| 14:20.29 | schrankwand | i start the daemon maual |
| 14:20.33 | schrankwand | i have try |
| 14:20.35 | schrankwand | tcpd /opt/lampp/bin/apachectl -k start -DPHP5 |
| 14:20.45 | schrankwand | but it doesn'T work |
| 14:20.45 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.52 | abrotman | are you using debian ? |
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| 14:20.55 | schrankwand | yes |
| 14:20.57 | Rickdangerous | schrankwand, that case you just erdit hosts.* files |
| 14:21.04 | Rickdangerous | edit* |
| 14:21.08 | xtension | schrankwand reinstall the fkr |
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| 14:21.17 | zartche | slt |
| 14:21.25 | Rickdangerous | schrankwand, beacse embedded libtcp looks at those files |
| 14:21.39 | Dr_O | Hmm... you don't want to be controlling apache using /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny.... that way madness lies. You configure apache from it's own config file under /etc/apache* |
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| 14:22.16 | Rickdangerous | Dr_O, tcpwarapper is for fine grained control |
| 14:22.23 | schrankwand | in my /etc/hosts.allow is "ALL: ALL" defined |
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| 14:22.28 | Rickdangerous | Dr_O, you an even prepare boob taps with it |
| 14:22.31 | Rickdangerous | :) |
| 14:22.43 | brader | woohoo removing the whol exwindow system and removing /etc/X11 fixed my problem |
| 14:22.44 | Rickdangerous | booby* |
| 14:22.46 | iostream | hmmm why is it that RC bugs seem to go up instead of down? :S |
| 14:22.50 | brader | thanks for the help guys |
| 14:22.53 | brader | later |
| 14:23.10 | Guerin | iostream: same reason that crime increases as mmore laws come into existence. |
| 14:23.12 | Rickdangerous | iostream, are they sarge bugs? |
| 14:23.14 | tarzeau | iostream: don't worry. it will be out today |
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| 14:23.22 | abrotman | tomorrow! |
| 14:23.27 | schrankwand | Dr_O: how can i configure, that nobody expect myself can acess it? |
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| 14:23.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: today! |
| 14:23.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: in 4-5 hours |
| 14:23.50 | Rickdangerous | it eill be released on 23:59 |
| 14:23.55 | Dr_O | Rickdangerous: Yes I use tcpwrappers all the time... But I'd never use it for apache... how is it better than the allow and deny directives in /etc/apache*/httpd.conf??? |
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| 14:24.21 | Rickdangerous | Dr_O, you can't prepare booby traps |
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| 14:24.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: liar! |
| 14:24.54 | Rickdangerous | Dr_O, alos aan apache be PARANOID? |
| 14:24.58 | Rickdangerous | can* |
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| 14:25.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: yo wll be dragonbeef tonight! |
| 14:25.20 | ruru | anyone have script that can restart dead apche? |
| 14:25.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: will you do it to me one more time? |
| 14:25.24 | Dr_O | Hmmm... not sure what you mean bu booby traps but they don't sound like the sort of thing a responsible sys admin would do... or perhaps I've misunderstood! |
| 14:25.51 | Rickdangerous | Dr_O, sure I'm talking about possibilities. those trap thing is explained in man page |
| 14:25.52 | mort | ruru: /etc/init.d/apache |
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| 14:26.14 | Dr_O | Rickdangerous: I'd best do some reading then!!! ;-) |
| 14:26.24 | ruru | I mean the script will auto restart dead apache server |
| 14:26.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: as much as you want, honey! |
| 14:26.28 | Rickdangerous | heh |
| 14:26.31 | kevin | thanx to all video is now as it should be |
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| 14:26.40 | ruru | my server is not very stable, sometime it will dead... |
| 14:26.58 | ruru | apapche will dead... |
| 14:26.59 | Gathond | ruru: apache or the machine? |
| 14:27.01 | Rickdangerous | ruru, why is it not very stable? |
| 14:27.02 | bobgray | how do i get the shutdown and reboot options in the gnome menus on debian? |
| 14:27.03 | kevin | now just need to get audio working |
| 14:27.03 | ruru | apache |
| 14:27.17 | Gathond | ruru: a better way would be to fint out what crashes apache |
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| 14:27.25 | ruru | I don't know. maybe hardware problem |
| 14:27.28 | Rickdangerous | Kerr, use gm probably |
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| 14:27.35 | kevin | i have the tar file unzipped and need help |
| 14:27.35 | Rickdangerous | Kerr, gdm** |
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| 14:27.45 | kevin | new to linux, sorry |
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| 14:27.52 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 14:27.52 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 14:27.55 | abrotman | bobgray: if you edit the gdm.conf. . there are two options .. SystemMenu and SecureSystemMenu |
| 14:27.57 | mort | ruru: do a cronjob that checks all 5 mins or so |
| 14:27.58 | kevin | k |
| 14:28.01 | Rickdangerous | kevin, u"ntarred" |
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| 14:28.11 | ruru | I only got some message like apache out of memory in dmesg |
| 14:28.13 | Dr_O | schrankwand you probably wnat to use "Order deny,allow" "deny from all" "allow from 127.0.0.1" at an apropriate place in the apache config file! |
| 14:28.16 | brader | damnit guess it didn;t work out right |
| 14:28.27 | kevin | want to migrate from microsoft c**p! |
| 14:28.35 | mort | ruru: you have a swap partition? |
| 14:28.39 | bobgray | abrotman: i want them in gnome itself though, not gdm |
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| 14:28.47 | Rickdangerous | crop? |
| 14:28.53 | Guerin | kevin: you live in a microsoft camp? |
| 14:28.57 | ruru | Gathond, don't know how to do a complete check |
| 14:29.11 | Guerin | is that like a line of blue tents with windows in them? |
| 14:29.13 | kevin | no just raised microcrap |
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| 14:29.16 | directhex|work | bob2, gnome asks gdm to do the dirty. |
| 14:29.26 | Gathond | ruru: there is nothing in its logfile? |
| 14:29.34 | jepagodo | anyone who knows of a howto to update the kernel with apt-get? |
| 14:29.51 | kevin | says to turn on sound support |
| 14:29.51 | directhex|work | jepagodo, howto: apt-cache search kernel-image, apt-get install one of the results. |
| 14:29.52 | ruru | morner, yes, a 512M swap and 1G memory, running debian sarge, apache2 and 2.6.8-2 kernel |
| 14:30.03 | Rickdangerous | jello, apt-get install new_kernel and run lilo also make sure initrd l |
| 14:30.06 | kevin | soundcore module |
| 14:30.06 | rinco | is there a way to access usbdevfs in a chrooted shell? i can mount proc but bus/usb/ appears to be empty |
| 14:30.07 | Rickdangerous | line exists. |
| 14:30.13 | ruru | Gathond, which log file? |
| 14:30.15 | jepagodo | directhex|work: but there are lots of things to do after that, isn't it? |
| 14:30.22 | Gathond | ruru: apaches:) |
| 14:30.25 | directhex|work | jepagodo, are you on debian 3.1 or 3.0? |
| 14:30.30 | xtension | schrankwand are the ppl on this channel making your task more simpel ? |
| 14:30.32 | mort | ruru: sounds good. check stuff in /var/log/ |
| 14:30.35 | Rickdangerous | jepagodo, ^^ |
| 14:30.38 | jepagodo | directhex|work: 3.1 |
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| 14:30.46 | Gathond | ruru: or perhaps the kernels, if you are running anything that logs things like segmentation faults |
| 14:30.50 | directhex|work | jepagodo, then that's it, grub is updated automatically with required info |
| 14:31.04 | jepagodo | directhex|work: so, that's it? |
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| 14:31.16 | directhex|work | jepagodo, that's it. |
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| 14:31.22 | jepagodo | how sweet :) |
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| 14:31.31 | ruru | Gathond, no. but I know some of images of my server is link by a heavy traffic site( about 700connections) |
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| 14:31.54 | schrankwand | I have solve it with adding "Listen 127.0.0.1:80" in the httpd.conf. thanks for that idea |
| 14:31.54 | pwned | so what became of testing unstable and experimental since sarge became stable? |
| 14:31.59 | ruru | Gathond, no segmentation faults. |
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| 14:32.03 | frostypaws | #flood |
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| 14:32.11 | tarzeau | pwned: etch, sid. experimental |
| 14:32.17 | Gathond | ruru: so it simply gets to many requests so the maximum connection number is exeeded? |
| 14:32.17 | pwned | ah etch |
| 14:32.22 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 14:32.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 14:32.28 | jethro | how long are we going to suffer all these morons asking about sarge, and not being able to read a fscking topic? |
| 14:32.48 | tarzeau | jethro: we must !topicbadger them all |
| 14:32.51 | Rickdangerous | jethro, for a few weeks |
| 14:32.53 | ruru | Gathond, I think my server and bandwitch can cope with these requests |
| 14:32.54 | Guerin | jethro: until tomorrow. And tomorrow, and tomorrow... |
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| 14:33.20 | Gathond | ruru: does it actually cause apache to crash, or does it just stop accepting new connections? |
| 14:33.28 | jethro | I ll just /part #debian for a few weeks then |
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| 14:33.42 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: fish tastes so good |
| 14:33.46 | Xuse | one less asshole. |
| 14:33.50 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: bon appetit |
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| 14:34.02 | Guerin | Xuse: one less person who actually knows how to read a topic |
| 14:34.08 | Rickdangerous | jharrisonwk, what fish? |
| 14:34.11 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: whale > fish |
| 14:34.15 | kevin | Rick: yes untarred |
| 14:34.16 | ruru | Gathond, apache can't create new connection, and no established connections, some connection in syn statue |
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| 14:34.29 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, norwegian? |
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| 14:34.34 | Guerin | Rickdangerous: nope. |
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| 14:34.36 | Gathond | ruru: did you not just say it had 700 active connections? |
| 14:34.38 | Xuse | Guerin, the topic is complete bullshit, people want details. |
| 14:34.49 | tarzeau | Xuse: in 4-5 hours |
| 14:35.00 | jharrisonwk | Rickdangerous: grouper, snapper, turbot, hog fish, grunts etc... |
| 14:35.07 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, norwegians eat free willy for breakfast you know. |
| 14:35.17 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmmm free willy |
| 14:35.21 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: and nemo ? |
| 14:35.23 | Rickdangerous | jharrisonwk, I need to find a fish name catalog :) |
| 14:35.27 | Guerin | Xuse: nothing to report that's not already on the mailing lists. |
| 14:35.34 | jharrisonwk | catalog? |
| 14:35.36 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, nemo is poisonous you know |
| 14:35.40 | Guerin | Rickdangerous: i'm aware. I had it for lunch and dinner. |
| 14:35.45 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, they live in hydra |
| 14:35.46 | abrotman | bobgray: i think it's the same setting |
| 14:35.50 | Guerin | though not a killa whale |
| 14:35.51 | Xuse | bleh. |
| 14:35.59 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, so whwew are you from? |
| 14:36.06 | Guerin | Rickdangerous: New Zealand |
| 14:36.06 | bobgray | abrotman: i've sorted it, thanks :) |
| 14:36.08 | Rickdangerous | where* |
| 14:36.10 | ruru | Gathond, before it dead... it happens suddenly, about one week a times |
| 14:36.13 | Gathond | Xuse: and people will if given details that proves to not be correct yell about that then, so no one probably bothers taking a guess at an exact time |
| 14:36.16 | abrotman | bobgray: was that the right place ? |
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| 14:36.22 | F-Lelo | hello ppl ;) |
| 14:36.24 | pwned | tarzeau: perhaps you would like to update your channel reference in http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ ... ##c++ , http://jcatki.no-ip.org/fncpp/ . Also ##c |
| 14:36.31 | F-Lelo | where do I find a woody cd image with kernel 2.6 in it?? |
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| 14:36.33 | kevin | how do i see if sound support is on? |
| 14:36.36 | Gathond | ruru: could be some DDOS thing, that trickers a bug |
| 14:36.37 | directhex|work | F-Lelo, you don't |
| 14:36.40 | Guerin | F-Lelo: nowhere |
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| 14:36.41 | tarzeau | pwned: can you do it? |
| 14:36.44 | mwilson | F-Lelo: Nowhere, of course. |
| 14:36.46 | bobgray | abrotman: i had been enabled in the confirm box when i installed gdm and i hadn't noticed |
| 14:36.47 | Guerin | !d-i F-Lelo |
| 14:36.48 | dpkg | F-Lelo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:36.50 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, didn't know new zealanders are eating whales.do australians eat as well? |
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| 14:36.51 | directhex|work | F-Lelo, woody is 2.2 or 2.4 kernels only. it predates the very ides of 2.6 |
| 14:36.53 | pwned | tarzeau: um how? |
| 14:36.57 | F-Lelo | yes, but even if it is unoficcial |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | bobgray: ah .. ok |
| 14:37.05 | tarzeau | pwned: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ isn't updated anymore, but the -wiki is, register a nickname with password, tell me the name |
| 14:37.07 | pwned | ah wiki |
| 14:37.09 | Gathond | ruru: anyway I suppose you could write a small shellscript which tries to connect to the server and fetch a file, and if it fails then restarts apache |
| 14:37.14 | directhex|work | F-Lelo, why on god's green earth do you WANT woody with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:37.17 | tarzeau | nemo: you are poisionous? |
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| 14:37.23 | nemo | tarzeau: no :) |
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| 14:37.30 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: YOU LIAR! |
| 14:37.32 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, also the penbsd mascot |
| 14:37.36 | tarzeau | nemo: can we have a photo of you? |
| 14:37.40 | Guerin | Rickdangerous: i expect every edible thing in the world has been eaten at least once by at least one person of australian descent. |
| 14:37.40 | ruru | Gathond, thanks. I'll check it again. do you know how to limit the virtual host's max connection? |
| 14:37.42 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, it's suhsi can be deadly |
| 14:37.49 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, hehe |
| 14:37.54 | F-Lelo | directhex|work: cause I have 72 2U servers that I need to install by hand and 2.6 has all the drivers already... |
| 14:37.59 | nemo | tarzeau: aren't you meant to at least asl me first?? |
| 14:38.01 | Gathond | ruru: no, not sure you can have it enforce a limit on a per virtualhost basis |
| 14:38.09 | tarzeau | nemo: asl! |
| 14:38.14 | xtension | Guerin is that good or bad ? |
| 14:38.20 | pwned | haha gurkan bey :D |
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| 14:38.34 | nemo | tarzeau: http://www.theporch.house.cx/~nemo/gallery/nemo ...from memory |
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| 14:38.37 | Gathond | ruru: have you checked the BTS for whatever apache2-"insert threading concept here" package you are actually running |
| 14:38.39 | tarzeau | pwned: ana, sendemi , hic goermdedim seni #debian.tr de |
| 14:38.40 | ruru | yes. some virtual hosts use too many resource. |
| 14:38.40 | brader | shit now my system goes into xterm no matter how I log into it |
| 14:38.47 | Guerin | xtension: i consider dietary diversity to be a Good Thing |
| 14:38.48 | directhex|work | F-Lelo, and what exactly is wrong with sarge? |
| 14:38.54 | brader | kde and gnome desktops not working |
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| 14:39.05 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, for vegetables for me :) |
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| 14:39.22 | F-Lelo | directhex|work: do you install sarge on your servers? |
| 14:39.23 | tarzeau | brader: try gnustep |
| 14:39.25 | ruru | Gathond, in fact I running an bt php frontend in my server. |
| 14:39.30 | Guerin | Rickdangerous: for vegetables for diversity isn't |
| 14:39.32 | brader | gnustep ok thanks |
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| 14:39.41 | Guerin | F-Lelo: yes. |
| 14:39.44 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, parse error :) |
| 14:39.50 | Xuse | wow there actually providing direct download dvd iso's for sarge, no more using that jigdo crap then. |
| 14:39.52 | Guerin | Rickdangerous: yes. |
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| 14:40.00 | F-Lelo | Guerin: alright, then I'll trust ya... I'll install sarge aswell and see what happends |
| 14:40.02 | directhex|work | F-Lelo, can't see why not, it's had security updates for about a month, and goes stable in a few hours |
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| 14:40.18 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, I like diversityfor plant products. not meat. |
| 14:40.19 | lewis | what is the difference between 'Dual Channel DDR' and 'DDR2'? |
| 14:40.20 | F-Lelo | directhex|work: (Y) then |
| 14:40.21 | F-Lelo | :P |
| 14:40.28 | directhex|work | lewis, everything |
| 14:40.30 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, wouldn't say no for a snail dish to |
| 14:40.37 | Rickdangerous | tho* |
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| 14:40.47 | directhex|work | lewis, dual channel ddr is two channels of ddr. ddr2 is a different high-bandwidth high-latency technology, based on ddr |
| 14:40.50 | cRaZy_love | click => www.geocities.com/mysexchat/ |
| 14:40.57 | lewis | high-latency? |
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| 14:41.07 | directhex|work | lewis, high latency. think rambus. |
| 14:41.10 | Guerin | !ops cRaZy_love needs teh beatings |
| 14:41.10 | abrotman | !ops cRaZy_love |
| 14:41.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: cRaZy_love needs teh beatings |
| 14:41.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: cRaZy_love |
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| 14:41.20 | kevin | how do i turnon sound support? |
| 14:41.21 | lewis | not low-latency? ah ok |
| 14:41.26 | ruru | Gathond, thank you very much for your help |
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| 14:41.27 | jpeg | cRaZy_love: A/S/L? |
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| 14:41.33 | tarzeau | !topicbadger kevin |
| 14:41.34 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that kevin didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 14:41.43 | abrotman | caphuso: thank you |
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| 14:42.10 | directhex|work | lewis, if i meant low latency, i'd have said low latency. in more simplistic terms, ddr means amd or old intels, ddr2 means new intels |
| 14:42.20 | lewis | merci |
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| 14:42.40 | lewis | on a scale of 1 to 10, how bad is it, ripping off an audio connect from an Intel board, to make it fit into a case? |
| 14:42.45 | xtension | cRaZy_love i get : irc in not a registered protocol ? |
| 14:42.48 | lewis | (connector) |
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| 14:43.14 | xtension | cRaZy_love gone already ? |
| 14:43.21 | jepagodo | how do i apt-get nvidia drivers? |
| 14:43.29 | Supaplex | xtension: you're worse then the spammer because you're apparently supporting his cause. |
| 14:43.32 | Guerin | !nvidia one liner |
| 14:43.32 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 14:43.43 | brader | hmm damn I am screwed guess I gotta reinstall all of X11 files |
| 14:43.46 | abrotman | lewis: why would you do that ? |
| 14:43.59 | directhex|work | lewis, i've hard of such things done before |
| 14:44.03 | mort | jepagodo: but be careful, they recently crashed my pc several times |
| 14:44.08 | abrotman | lewis: they only what .. 3/4 inch tall ? |
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| 14:44.45 | Rickdangerous | jharrisonwk, goliat grouper is hunted here. it's one oıg the best fish. |
| 14:44.51 | Rickdangerous | of the* |
| 14:44.55 | LordNazgul | heres a question that prolly has a stupid easy aswer, i just couldnt find it anywhere. say im surfing a site and they have a .deb package for download that isn't in the releases yet, or i dont want to come up with an unstable sources list for just one package. so i download the .deb, how then do i install it. |
| 14:45.10 | lewis | well, Intel only do three motherboards for a 533Mhz 478-socket processor it seems, and they all have inbuilt audio, which is too high for a 1U case.. |
| 14:45.26 | directhex|work | LordNazgul, dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 14:45.34 | LordNazgul | k thanx |
| 14:45.37 | abrotman | lewis: they dont' have to be 533Mhz |
| 14:45.43 | directhex|work | lewis, um... don';t build a 1u system yourself, ever. |
| 14:45.49 | abrotman | lewis: or you could try to find an older board |
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| 14:45.58 | abrotman | directhex|work: his Mobo may have lost the smoke |
| 14:46.09 | Rickdangerous | jharrisonwk, also it likes divers. and cameras :) |
| 14:46.19 | directhex|work | abrotman, his service contract from his vendor should cover him - else he should be using a tyan/iwill |
| 14:46.19 | xtension | LordNazgul use apt-get its better |
| 14:46.33 | lewis | abrotman: ooh - good point, perhaps they wouldn't mention discontinued boards in their search feature |
| 14:46.36 | abrotman | directhex|work: service contract ? |
| 14:46.59 | directhex|work | abrotman, shouldn't leave the datacenter without one. especially on high-density kit like 1u systems |
| 14:47.02 | abrotman | directhex|work: i got the feeling it was already a home built 1U |
| 14:47.08 | xtension | LordNazgul you might find yourself reinstalling on of these days |
| 14:47.08 | abrotman | soytek or something board |
| 14:47.26 | directhex|work | abrotman, can i say "bleh" without sounding like a hardware snob? |
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| 14:47.41 | lewis | Soltek - likely to be out of warranty |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | directhex|work: yes .. i think it's more of a 'blech' :) |
| 14:47.54 | lewis | getting a discontinued Intel board will be harder, blech |
| 14:47.57 | Supaplex | so is etch frozen yet? </smirk> jk! hehe |
| 14:48.18 | lewis | (searching for one will be too) |
| 14:48.20 | abrotman | lewis: newegg.com has none ? |
| 14:48.23 | directhex|work | nothing wrong with soltek |
| 14:48.32 | abrotman | hardware snob! |
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| 14:48.38 | directhex|work | i have a brand new soltek motherboard, but i wouldn't use it in a server |
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| 14:48.56 | lewis | directhex|work: Intel is fine though |
| 14:49.09 | lordmyren | is there anything special i have to do to get ad-hoc working between a 802.11g and a 802.11b system? |
| 14:49.14 | directhex|work | anyway, you can hunt about for s478 boards fairly easily. any i845/i848/i865/i875 board should do |
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| 14:49.27 | directhex|work | actually, i think there are some s755 boards on i875 |
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| 14:49.33 | lewis | using newegg's search feature... |
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| 14:49.42 | lordmyren | they're on the same ESSID & cell, but i cant get them to ping erach other or open a connection or what not |
| 14:49.45 | lewis | directhex|work: i just need integrated lan/audio |
| 14:50.04 | abrotman | your server needs integrated uadio ? |
| 14:50.12 | black13 | what does the c preprocessor keep giving me this messege "cpp: -c is not a valid option to the preprocessor" |
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| 14:50.20 | abrotman | i'd kill for a 1u board with nothing but lan and video and ps/2 crap |
| 14:50.27 | abrotman | no usb .. no audio .. no printer .. |
| 14:50.38 | Gathond | black13: the preprosser does not think -c is a valid option? |
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| 14:50.41 | abrotman | aka. . no features :) |
| 14:50.44 | wwallace | hello to all |
| 14:50.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: you have a rack under your bed? |
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| 14:50.55 | directhex|work | abrotman, don't sideline usb. i'd take it over ps2 any day of the week |
| 14:50.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: perfdave does |
| 14:51.06 | abrotman | directhex|work: ok .. then take away the ps/2 :) |
| 14:51.11 | wwallace | how do i make certain player (kaffeine) be my default player everytime i run a video? |
| 14:51.16 | Gathond | black13: the manpage mentions no -p option either, so Im guessing it is right |
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| 14:51.27 | directhex|work | http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=134138 |
| 14:51.29 | Guerin | wwallace: tell kde |
| 14:51.31 | LinuxMafia | all : any one can tell me what is the equalant software for Microsoft Access in linux? |
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| 14:51.39 | brader | is there a quick command to purge and reinstall all of my X aplications and programs? |
| 14:51.48 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: what kind of load ? |
| 14:51.48 | resiak | brader: Why would you want to do that? |
| 14:51.49 | tarzeau | brader: but why? |
| 14:51.52 | mwilson | brader: Of course not. |
| 14:51.54 | Guerin | LinuxMafia: there is no database app in the linux kernel |
| 14:51.59 | brader | Because my system is hosed |
| 14:52.01 | xtension | # binary packages for i386 and amd64 architectures |
| 14:52.01 | xtension | deb http://helion.xcyb.org/debian-xcyborg unstable main |
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| 14:52.13 | tarzeau | brader: YOU HOSED IT! |
| 14:52.14 | LinuxMafia | Guerin: :-( |
| 14:52.14 | abrotman | xtension: so? |
| 14:52.15 | Guerin | brader: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 14:52.18 | DanC | is it safe to subscribe to calendars in evolution yet? a few versions back, evolution had happy looking "subscribe" buttons, but they didn't cause evolution to subscribe; they just caused the machine to crawl to a halt |
| 14:52.18 | xtension | scuse me |
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| 14:52.25 | masoft | LinuxMafia, MySQL is something like ... |
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| 14:52.30 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: what kind of application are oyu looking for ? .. all the forms and crap? |
| 14:52.31 | brader | I am in an x session at console since gnome kde will nto start |
| 14:52.32 | LinuxMafia | abrotman: sorry i did not get it |
| 14:52.33 | lewis | directhex|work: a bit big, and more than I was looking to spend. looking for a small/mini/micro ATX motherboard if possible |
| 14:52.35 | masoft | LinuxMafia, you can get queries |
| 14:52.36 | Supaplex | LinuxMafia: postgresql.org |
| 14:52.38 | abrotman | noone would willing use mysql |
| 14:52.40 | Guerin | mysql is NOTHING like access. |
| 14:52.41 | LinuxMafia | abrotman: yes |
| 14:52.41 | abrotman | err willingly |
| 14:52.49 | tarzeau | haha i love this people with their GNOME AND KDE PROBLEMS |
| 14:52.50 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: erm .. there is something .. i'dhave to find it |
| 14:52.51 | tarzeau | LOLZ |
| 14:52.53 | black13 | Gathond, yes -p either |
| 14:53.07 | directhex|work | lewis, http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_5558.html |
| 14:53.08 | LinuxMafia | abrotman: thansk |
| 14:53.09 | Gathond | black13: what? |
| 14:53.13 | mwilson | Apple can't avoid Osborne effect if they do this... I'm far more interested in how they'd plan to avoid that than whether developers would have to recompile or not. |
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| 14:53.15 | mwilson | ack |
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| 14:53.23 | black13 | Gathond, sorry |
| 14:53.27 | liran_ | where can i find out about isp's ip blocks? |
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| 14:53.36 | LinuxMafia | Supaplex: thanks let me look |
| 14:53.38 | stkrause | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.40 | elirips | tarzeau: you don't like gnome/kde? :P |
| 14:53.40 | mwilson | liran_: From your ISP, of course. |
| 14:53.42 | liran_ | i've looked it up before over at ripe/arin but i cant find the exact link again |
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| 14:53.43 | darkskiez | Osborne effect? |
| 14:53.43 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: is this for a desktop app ? |
| 14:53.46 | Gathond | black13: cpp has no -p option, like the error message tells you:) |
| 14:53.47 | tarzeau | elirips: how come, honey? |
| 14:53.54 | tarzeau | elirips: didn't you hear i'm the gnustep whore? |
| 14:53.56 | abrotman | liran_: arin.net |
| 14:54.02 | liran_ | mwilson, nah it's easier. there's a db for that |
| 14:54.17 | elirips | tarzeau: no, not till yet - what is gnustep btw? |
| 14:54.18 | black13 | Gathond, i am trying to compile something and i get this error that cpp doesn accept -c |
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| 14:54.26 | tarzeau | elirips: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 14:54.31 | LinuxMafia | abrotman: any kind |
| 14:54.31 | mwilson | liran_: Sure there is. |
| 14:54.37 | thb | abrotman: Why would no one willingly use mysql? |
| 14:54.38 | liran_ | abrotman, thanks, do you reember where on arin.net? |
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| 14:54.56 | lewis | directhex|work: thanks - not bad... one sec - processing... |
| 14:54.56 | joho | exit |
| 14:55.01 | joho | signout |
| 14:55.07 | Gathond | black13: ahh -c sorry, misread, but same point, it is not supported, and the manpage agrees |
| 14:55.14 | LinuxMafia | thanks guys |
| 14:55.15 | mwilson | Uh, the NYT copied Cnet more or less verbatim. |
| 14:55.15 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: http://thekompany.com/products/rekall/ .. you can use rekall(it's payfor software) with many DB backends .. there is another if i can find that i think is free |
| 14:55.18 | mwilson | ack |
| 14:55.21 | sanxiyn | Well, tarzeau is the maintainer of these packages: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 14:55.22 | Gathond | black13: you are sure you know what cpp is ? |
| 14:55.22 | abrotman | liran_: on the front page |
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| 14:55.34 | abrotman | thb: there is no good reason to use mysql |
| 14:55.39 | LinuxMafia | abrotman: thanks so much |
| 14:55.40 | liran_ | abrotman, are you talking about the whois? |
| 14:55.43 | sanxiyn | (>20 *.app packages for GNUstep.) |
| 14:55.43 | black13 | Gathond, oh yeah ... or i think i do its the c preprocessor |
| 14:55.43 | elirips | tarzeau: well, the icons on the screenshots dont like so nicely like the ones i got in kde |
| 14:55.48 | abrotman | liran_: yes |
| 14:55.53 | directhex|work | mwilson, are you being offtopic, or clicking in the wrong window? |
| 14:55.53 | tarzeau | elirips: oh yes they do. |
| 14:56.00 | tarzeau | elirips: your display gamma is not calibrated |
| 14:56.11 | black13 | Gathond, this should be prog that works on the #defines #includes so forth |
| 14:56.15 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Heh. |
| 14:56.23 | Supaplex | !start a dbms war |
| 14:56.24 | dpkg | sleepy cat db is the most confounded dbms since sliced bread! |
| 14:56.25 | Gathond | black13: and what do you think -c should do? |
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| 14:56.34 | abrotman | LinuxMafia: probably the easier way is to use PHP/Perl/JSP/etc through a webbrowser |
| 14:56.37 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: and i've got three more to be added soon :) |
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| 14:57.03 | brader | so is there a way I can purge xsystem and gnome and kde without completely reinstalling or shoudl I just screw it and reinstall |
| 14:57.20 | abrotman | what is wrong wit kde/gnome ? |
| 14:57.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: ALL |
| 14:57.24 | Supaplex | brader: apt-get remove --purge foo |
| 14:57.27 | brader | they won't start |
| 14:57.27 | Gathond | black13: just that I cant find it in my man cpp, so a good bet is you are either using the wrong program (ie want g++ or some such) or -c is just not the right thing to write for what you want |
| 14:57.31 | Mage\work | brader: look at "debfoster" and "deborphan" |
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| 14:57.34 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Not much, I think... |
| 14:57.39 | abrotman | brader: maybe you should start there |
| 14:57.42 | brader | Supaplex I don;t know the package to gget rid of |
| 14:57.52 | Supaplex | brader: "they won't start" is a poor reason to purge them. |
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| 14:57.54 | resiak | brader: It won't help. Make a new user, and see if they work for that user. |
| 14:57.59 | directhex|work | lewis, http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=62097 |
| 14:57.59 | resiak | !drxx brader |
| 14:58.00 | dpkg | brader: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 14:58.00 | abrotman | brader: why won't they start ? |
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| 14:58.10 | lewis | how come so many of the motherboards I am looking at having the audio stacked up, all three on top of each other, instead of side by side? |
| 14:58.15 | brader | x starts |
| 14:58.16 | abrotman | brader: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 14:58.17 | Supaplex | because the monitor is off ;) |
| 14:58.17 | xtension | directhex|work what are you selling |
| 14:58.20 | brader | not gnome or kde |
| 14:58.21 | lewis | i was about to start looking on ebuyer... |
| 14:58.23 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 14:58.23 | abrotman | cute |
| 14:58.26 | resiak | brader: So your dotfiles are buggered? |
| 14:58.28 | abrotman | brader: look in the error logs |
| 14:58.30 | resiak | brader: Read .xsession-errors ? |
| 14:58.37 | brader | ok I check that now |
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| 14:58.54 | jetscreamer | does wget have a problem with reporting sizes of large files, dvd size for instance? |
| 14:59.01 | resiak | jetscreamer: Yes. :-) |
| 14:59.02 | xtension | directhex|work get back to work |
| 14:59.06 | lewis | directhex|work: look at this though: http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/sr/sr_photo.htm |
| 14:59.11 | Rickdangerous | jetscreamer, wge sucks. really |
| 14:59.12 | abrotman | why is he electric ? |
| 14:59.13 | Rickdangerous | wget* |
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| 14:59.19 | jetscreamer | xtension: i hope you're joshing |
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| 14:59.25 | lewis | directhex|work: look how high the audio bit gets... |
| 14:59.28 | sdb__ | lewis: why, do you think that's bad? |
| 14:59.33 | Hitsune_Kun | Does anyone know when debian sarge will be released? (what time) |
| 14:59.34 | xtension | jetscreamer christian ? |
| 14:59.38 | Gathond | jetscreamer: iirc it have a problem downloading anything above 2 GB, so the size indication there is probably wrong as well (or at least teh LARGE_FILE support is buggy) |
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| 14:59.40 | sanxiyn | jetscreamer: I heard that Apache has problem. |
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| 14:59.43 | lewis | sdb__: it has to fit inside a 1U case. |
| 14:59.46 | Rickdangerous | !topicbadger Hitsune_Kun |
| 14:59.46 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that Hitsune_Kun didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 14:59.52 | lestest_ | hi there, how do I deny all user except on to log into a host? |
| 14:59.53 | directhex|work | lewis, so saw it off. either way, you'll have bigger concerns. like the RAM being too tall. |
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| 14:59.59 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: last I checked, wget could use a rewrite. noone is maintaining it last I knew of. |
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| 15:00.13 | sdb__ | lewis: in that case, I'm not sure what you mean by "up" |
| 15:00.14 | Supaplex | Hitsune_Kun: never. |
| 15:00.14 | brader | ok "local not supported by Xlib |
| 15:00.17 | jetscreamer | hmmm... thankee kindly all |
| 15:00.22 | sdb__ | lewis: perpendicular to the board? |
| 15:00.23 | lewis | sdb__: like sticking high up |
| 15:00.31 | dippo | does anyone know when debian sid will be released? |
| 15:00.35 | dippo | just kidding, don't kill me |
| 15:00.35 | lewis | nah - RAM is usually fine - needing low-profile rarely happens with me.... |
| 15:00.35 | fas3r | re all |
| 15:00.35 | Rickdangerous | Supaplex, do you know a good alternative to wget |
| 15:00.41 | caphuso | dippo: never |
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| 15:00.48 | dippo | ow |
| 15:00.52 | lewis | sdb__: err yeh - sticking perpendicular 'high' out of the board... |
| 15:00.54 | Hitsune_Kun | sorry, first time here :P |
| 15:00.54 | Gathond | Rickdangerous: dog perhaps |
| 15:00.55 | Rickdangerous | dippo, as t goes to Infinity |
| 15:01.05 | xtension | Rickdangerous kget |
| 15:01.07 | jetscreamer | so sarge didn't do it's thang yet? |
| 15:01.08 | lewis | directhex|work: is sawing things off a good idea? I don't want two broken motherboards on my hands :P |
| 15:01.09 | juanmals | Rickdangerous, http://reddo.sourceforge.net |
| 15:01.17 | brader | resiak "locale not supported by Xlib" |
| 15:01.18 | Mayhem | Rickdangerous, curl |
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| 15:01.22 | sdb__ | lewis: right, because most people don't have their board mounted with that orientation :) |
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| 15:01.26 | dippo | i used a program called "pavuk" back inthe day, but I don't know if it's still under active development |
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| 15:01.34 | Rickdangerous | Mayhem, I was thinking curl too |
| 15:01.34 | lewis | sdb__: that's true - yeh |
| 15:01.43 | directhex|work | lewis, it's fine. |
| 15:01.43 | dippo | I think I used it because it did SSL |
| 15:01.46 | brader | should I purge files in my home directory |
| 15:01.51 | lewis | directhex|work: just snap it off? |
| 15:01.52 | brader | maybe I try that |
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| 15:02.10 | directhex|work | lewis, yeah. you could google for it or something |
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| 15:02.18 | Zambba | how can I use usb stick in debian |
| 15:02.29 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 15:02.29 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 15:02.35 | sdb__ | lewis: hmm, yeah, I don't think I like that either |
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| 15:02.47 | Rickdangerous | there used to be pavuk. but i's nearly dead AFAIK |
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| 15:02.50 | lewis | I could always look for a non-Intel motherboard manufacturer... |
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| 15:03.13 | resiak | !tell brader -about locale |
| 15:03.26 | directhex|work | lewis, i just linked to an asus |
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| 15:04.01 | lewis | directhex|work: i noticed that - i'll start looking at them too - any views on Gigabyte? |
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| 15:04.15 | b0xen | Is 3.1 being released today or what? |
| 15:04.21 | abrotman | b0xen: no |
| 15:04.22 | LordNazgul | lewis: nothing but good experienmce with gigabyte |
| 15:04.28 | b0xen | Oh . . . I thought it was. |
| 15:04.34 | LordNazgul | lewis: on my third gb board |
| 15:04.42 | Rickdangerous | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/bt-cd/debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent |
| 15:04.43 | abrotman | b0xen: it's released .. when it's ready .. no sooner .. if that's today .. great .. if not .. maybe tomorrow |
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| 15:05.08 | directhex|work | lewis, i have a gigabyte graphics card which works well, my office pc has a gigabyte motherboard which doesn't work so well |
| 15:05.26 | b0xen | abrotman: yes yes ive heard that a billion times. i just read on slashdot like a week ago that it might be released today |
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| 15:05.31 | abrotman | i have a gigabyte somewhere in my office .. works perfectly fine |
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| 15:05.46 | lewis | abrotman: this current machine is on gigabyte too |
| 15:05.48 | abrotman | b0xen: it might .. might not .. most likely today or tomorrow |
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| 15:05.50 | tarzeau | i have two gigabyte in my webserver! |
| 15:06.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: eat dragon evil doer |
| 15:06.07 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, poor you. that 's very little space :P |
| 15:06.11 | Yan^ | Hello people I have a platform-independent question. I want to write several files on a DVD Rom so that would be readable from Windows. I would like to proceed from the command line. Anybody could help oplease? |
| 15:06.14 | conreyt | Zambaa: what do you mean? |
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| 15:06.23 | mister_debian | I see 3.1 images in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:06.28 | Rickdangerous | m |
| 15:06.33 | Rickdangerous | mister_debian, give torrent links |
| 15:06.39 | Zambba | I want to copy files to an USB memory |
| 15:06.47 | sdb__ | eep, sarge doesn't seem to have boot media for all arches... wtf? |
| 15:06.48 | Rickdangerous | use torrent links too |
| 15:06.59 | tarzeau | sdb__: no network boot for which arch? |
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| 15:07.01 | xtension | Yan^ cdrecord is the tool |
| 15:07.01 | mister_debian | is sarge released as stable ? |
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| 15:07.06 | mwilson | Rickdangerous: Wouldn't there have to BE "torrent links" for him to "give" any? |
| 15:07.09 | tarzeau | !topicbadger mister_debian |
| 15:07.10 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that mister_debian didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 15:07.11 | directhex|work | mister_debian, imminently |
| 15:07.16 | Rickdangerous | mwilson, I did 2 minutes ago |
| 15:07.21 | directhex|work | Yan^, growisofs is the tool for doing dvds. man growisofs |
| 15:07.26 | xtension | Yan^ and mkisofs |
| 15:07.28 | sdb__ | tarzeau: well, I can't see floppy images for amiga, for instance |
| 15:07.38 | tarzeau | sdb__: oh you've got one with mmu? |
| 15:07.43 | directhex|work | xtension, cdrecord and mkisofs are not the correct tools for dvd writing. |
| 15:07.47 | lewis | directhex|work: anyhow, thank you for your help - doing some further research now, looking at Asus and Gigabyte boards, to see if they have what I need. |
| 15:07.50 | xtension | directhex|work get back to WORK |
| 15:07.54 | mwilson | directhex|work: Since when? |
| 15:07.56 | mister_debian | dpkg sorry... but if i write /topic i cannot see anything :-) |
| 15:07.57 | sdb__ | tarzeau: I don't have one, but I'm concerned |
| 15:08.01 | Rickdangerous | mwilson, also bittorrents are in the same directory |
| 15:08.03 | conreyt | Zambaa: are you using gnome? |
| 15:08.09 | directhex|work | mwilson, *what* since when? |
| 15:08.15 | mwilson | Rickdangerous: Except that they're not, of course. |
| 15:08.25 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 15:08.25 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 15:08.28 | Rickdangerous | mwilson, I mean theyshare same op directory |
| 15:08.28 | mwilson | [08:07] <directhex|work> xtension, cdrecord and mkisofs are not the correct |
| 15:08.29 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.31 | Rickdangerous | top* |
| 15:08.36 | abrotman | mister_debian: get a new client |
| 15:08.43 | tarzeau | sdb__: there isn't? |
| 15:08.54 | directhex|work | mwilson, i really can't be bothered to explain things to you, i'd have better luck with broccoli. suffice to say, they're not. |
| 15:08.55 | sdb__ | tarzeau: dunno, I was probably looking in the wrong place |
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| 15:09.26 | jharrisonwk | Rickdangerous: you are from .it? |
| 15:09.26 | mwilson | directhex|work: What do you use to create DVD filesystems, then? An electromagnet? |
| 15:09.36 | mister_debian | dpkg sorry but it says me: TOPIC not enough parameters :-( |
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| 15:09.38 | Rickdangerous | jharrisonwk, no turkiye |
| 15:09.51 | sdb__ | tarzeau: no, only atari floppy images |
| 15:09.54 | Rickdangerous | jharrisonwk, goliat grouper is called orfoz here |
| 15:10.01 | abrotman | mister_debian: just /topic |
| 15:10.07 | directhex|work | mwilson, growisofs, if i don't have a need for files over 2gb, else manual pissing around with mkudffs |
| 15:10.17 | conreyt | Zambaa: are you using gnome? |
| 15:10.21 | jharrisonwk | Rickdangerous: ah like tarzeau |
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| 15:10.26 | bwlang | tarzeau: well - i finally figured it out... you have to use the color primitive and choose a point to sample eg: mogrify -fill green -draw 'color 0,0 replace' ../tmp/foo.gif - so next time you want to answer somebody you'll actualy know the answer |
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| 15:10.44 | mwilson | directhex|work: Funny, the dvd+rw upstream author seems to think his software uses mkisofs... you'll be telling him that he's mistaken, then? |
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| 15:10.55 | Rickdangerous | jharrisonwk, no tarzeau is austria citizen :) |
| 15:11.03 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: no i'm not |
| 15:11.11 | jharrisonwk | Rickdangerous: he is turkish |
| 15:11.14 | jetscreamer | silly me i thought it was growisofs |
| 15:11.16 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, your citizenship is turkiye? |
| 15:11.22 | tarzeau | bwlang: congratulations, i will put it here: www.linuks.mine.nu/imagemagick/ |
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| 15:11.30 | Rickdangerous | jharrisonwk, yes he is but he doesn't line in turkey |
| 15:11.35 | Rickdangerous | ÅŸ |
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| 15:11.38 | Rickdangerous | live* |
| 15:11.42 | jharrisonwk | Rickdangerous: no |
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| 15:11.47 | jepagodo | how do i add contrib and non-free archives to sources.list? |
| 15:12.02 | jetscreamer | actually i think growisofs uses mkisofs and some other one, cdrecord maybe i forget, or so i read |
| 15:12.05 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, where do you live :) |
| 15:12.06 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: i am turkiye, but livin' in the country with the best cheese, watches and chocolate |
| 15:12.15 | abrotman | jepagodo: add them on the end .. after 'main' |
| 15:12.17 | Rickdangerous | jharrisonwk, see :) |
| 15:12.20 | jetscreamer | but i also read that the upstream dvd guy uses growisofs but i'm hazy |
| 15:12.23 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, and schnitzel |
| 15:12.25 | mwilson | Dead silence from directhex|work... |
| 15:12.32 | Crush | jepagodo: deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 15:12.33 | Crush | Like that. |
| 15:12.35 | directhex|work | mwilson, you really are a cock, you know that? |
| 15:12.36 | jpeg | jepagodo: add contrib and non-free to the end of the line with 'main' |
| 15:12.39 | abrotman | mwilson: notice |work :) |
| 15:12.39 | Dr_O | jepagodo: "main contib non-free" |
| 15:12.39 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, you live in switzerland?? |
| 15:12.45 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: yes honey |
| 15:12.50 | jepagodo | lots of answers... |
| 15:12.50 | mister_debian | by by all |
| 15:12.55 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, heh sorry |
| 15:12.58 | nunez | How would I add :80 to the end of every line of a text file? |
| 15:13.00 | mwilson | directhex|work: Because I disagree with your obviously false statements? |
| 15:13.01 | mister_debian | i go at home to install sarge :-) |
| 15:13.01 | Crush | jepagodo: but all the same |
| 15:13.02 | directhex|work | mwilson, growisofs is based in part on mkisofs, but cdrecord is NOT the right tool for the job |
| 15:13.03 | jetscreamer | directhex|work: you belabor the obvious :) |
| 15:13.09 | abrotman | nunez: sed |
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| 15:13.18 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, it needs to be stated every now & again |
| 15:13.18 | mister_debian | \quit |
| 15:13.19 | jepagodo | Crush: should i write "deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib"? |
| 15:13.28 | jetscreamer | but i do love and admire mwilson |
| 15:13.31 | abrotman | jepagodo: looks good |
| 15:13.32 | jetscreamer | ok i don't love him |
| 15:13.38 | jepagodo | all right |
| 15:13.39 | mwilson | directhex|work: growisofs is not based on mkisofs in any way, shape, or form. growisofs calls the mkisofs binary. |
| 15:13.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you loooove him ? :) |
| 15:13.48 | _joey | off topic, does anyone know how to send a memo to a registered nick on this network ? |
| 15:13.50 | conreyt | Zambba: you still need help with usb or no? |
| 15:13.54 | Crush | jepagodo: replace 'unstable' with whichever version of Debian you're running, and pick a mirror close to you. |
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| 15:14.12 | Phated | _joey: /msg memoserv help |
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| 15:14.19 | Crush | jepagodo: All you need to do is add 'non-free contrib' on the end of what you already have. |
| 15:14.20 | jetscreamer | i did read that growisofs was better to use for dvd's |
| 15:14.28 | sdb__ | jepagodo: ftp.uk.debian.org aka debian.hands.com seems to be working again, fwiw |
| 15:14.31 | jetscreamer | leave out the ' ' |
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| 15:14.57 | directhex|work | mwilson, and where does cdrecord come into it? |
| 15:15.01 | mwilson | jetscreamer: cdrecordProDVD lets you screw around with the disc far more, set publisher and all that rot. |
| 15:15.02 | jetscreamer | but i digress: BYE |
| 15:15.16 | sdb__ | jepagodo: sorry, that should have been directed to Crush |
| 15:15.22 | jetscreamer | directhex|work: i think i read it calls mkisofs and cdrecord |
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| 15:15.48 | Mayhem | growisofs is my dvd writing preference |
| 15:16.04 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, it isn't a front-end for cdrecord. |
| 15:16.23 | jepagodo | where can i find sources.list? |
| 15:16.29 | sdb__ | jepagodo: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:16.51 | sdb__ | jepagodo: comment existing entries out with # if you're not sure about any changes |
| 15:16.58 | cormster | guys would i be right in saying that the prism54 (2?) card is the best supported wireless card for linux? |
| 15:16.58 | streuner | !wb thomas_adam |
| 15:16.59 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! thomas_adam has returned! |
| 15:17.14 | sdb__ | jepagodo: (I.e. only the lines that you change) |
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| 15:17.37 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
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| 15:17.53 | Rickdangerous | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/bt-cd/debian-31r0-i386-netinst.iso.torrent << this is the preferred way to dl sarge |
| 15:17.53 | directhex|work | Dead silence from mwilson... |
| 15:18.04 | Rickdangerous | also you can setup seed. |
| 15:18.39 | Rickdangerous | seeds* |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | directhex|work: you're such a cock :) |
| 15:18.39 | mwilson | directhex|work: Did you say something requiring a response? |
| 15:18.39 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:18.39 | dpkg | hmm... qotd53 is <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
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| 15:18.39 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
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| 15:18.39 | Xuse | net install doesn't detect my network card =( |
| 15:18.39 | thomas_adam | More petty cases of an isolate statement being blown out of all proportion? |
| 15:18.39 | jetscreamer | directhex|work: i'm just regurgitating what i read that i 'mostly' remember |
| 15:18.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh |
| 15:18.39 | jetscreamer | and i think i read that |
| 15:18.39 | directhex|work | <directhex|work> mwilson, and where does cdrecord come into it? |
| 15:18.39 | Hitsune_Kun | exit |
| 15:18.40 | nakee | is there somewhere I can downlaod a file out of a package? |
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| 15:18.47 | lewis | directhex|work: I know you should be working - found this in my search so far: http://tw.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_Spec_GA-8SIMLH-P%20(Rev%203.2).htm# |
| 15:18.48 | nakee | I need the nsISupports.idl from mozilla-dev |
| 15:18.48 | directhex|work | <mwilson> [08:07] <directhex|work> xtension, cdrecord and mkisofs are not the correct |
| 15:18.48 | directhex|work | <mwilson> tools for dvd writing. |
| 15:18.54 | tarzeau | Xuse: nforce? |
| 15:18.58 | Xuse | yes |
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| 15:19.07 | tarzeau | Xuse: haha, we have them too. bullshit nvidia crap |
| 15:19.08 | mwilson | Yes, you did say that. |
| 15:19.10 | tarzeau | Xuse: just insert a 3com |
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| 15:19.20 | tarzeau | Xuse: shuttle? |
| 15:19.30 | jepagodo | what exactly should i write when im about to add contrib and non-free archives in sources.list? |
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| 15:19.39 | mwilson | You did, not me. Then you tried to make the absurd claim that dvd+rw-tools didn't depend on cdrtools. |
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| 15:19.54 | directhex|work | it doesn't. |
| 15:19.56 | Mayhem | isn't forcedeth in the installer? |
| 15:20.02 | projectphoenix | it is |
| 15:20.03 | cyrille_ | hi all |
| 15:20.04 | Xuse | eh? Well so far debian is the only distro to have problems with it =( |
| 15:20.13 | mwilson | directhex|work: Right. You remove cdrtools and see how well growisofs works. |
| 15:20.15 | projectphoenix | Mayhem: but it is not detected |
| 15:20.20 | cyrille_ | I have got a problem using bc |
| 15:20.25 | projectphoenix | you must load the module manually |
| 15:20.25 | abrotman | Xuse: which NIC ? |
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| 15:20.38 | nunez | abrotman, I cannot get this shit to work lol |
| 15:20.42 | projectphoenix | at least this is my experience |
| 15:20.44 | Mayhem | projectphoenix, ok |
| 15:20.45 | directhex|work | !info cdrtools |
| 15:20.46 | pipeline | !lol |
| 15:20.46 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 15:20.48 | abrotman | nunez: shit ? |
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| 15:20.49 | Xuse | I don't know, i got this pc like 2 days ago. |
| 15:20.54 | directhex|work | <dpkg> Package 'cdrtools' does not exist. |
| 15:20.55 | Roadrunne | Hi, where can I see current available apt sources for ftp? somewhere on debian.org? |
| 15:21.06 | nunez | abrotman, Adding :80 to every line in the text file |
| 15:21.09 | mwilson | directhex|work: You'll also be telling the Debian dvd+rw-tools maintainer that he shouldn't be depending on the mkisofs package, then? |
| 15:21.09 | pipeline | Roadrunne: Run apt-setup |
| 15:21.12 | thomas_adam | Roadrunne: apt-setup |
| 15:21.15 | sdb__ | jepagodo: what do you have now? |
| 15:21.15 | nunez | abrotman, Read the man files etc.. and I'm just not catching on |
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| 15:21.26 | cyrille_ | echo '4+3/0' | bc -l returns the division by zero error, how can I get the answer 4 in this example? |
| 15:21.29 | tarzeau | Mayhem: you know there's different models of those crap nics |
| 15:21.30 | jepagodo | sdb__: in sources.list? |
| 15:21.40 | jpeg | nunez: want a vi solution? |
| 15:21.50 | jetscreamer | hey don't fight over dvd's, you should fight over something important, like how many cows does it take to screw in a lightbulb |
| 15:21.51 | tarzeau | Mayhem: not all forcedeth driver (not even the binary ones) work on all nvidia bullshit network cards |
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| 15:22.03 | nunez | jpeg, Sure |
| 15:22.09 | tarzeau | Xuse: well, your pc (at least the network hardware) sucks |
| 15:22.11 | Mayhem | tarzeau, ok. It works for me though :) |
| 15:22.13 | sdb__ | jepagodo: yes, but paste it in #flood |
| 15:22.13 | Roadrunne | pipeline, thomas_adam: cool, this is, what I was searching for... thx. |
| 15:22.23 | tarzeau | Mayhem: our older nvidia stuff work too, just not the newer |
| 15:22.30 | directhex|work | mwilson, SO IN WHAT MOTHERFUCKING WAY IS CDRECORD THE CORRECT TOOL FOR DVD BURNING |
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| 15:22.34 | jpeg | nunez: in vi, hit esc, then type :g/$/s//:80/ |
| 15:22.39 | tarzeau | Roadrunne: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 15:22.53 | abrotman | nunez: oh .. i'm sorry |
| 15:22.53 | tarzeau | PLEASE BE NICE YOU MOTHERHUGGERS |
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| 15:22.58 | leonel | sarge .... Come out to play ! |
| 15:23.00 | Xuse | tarzeau i don't really care aslong as it works (which it will when i download the drivers, i suppose?) |
| 15:23.01 | jetscreamer | ah gahd |
| 15:23.02 | abrotman | nunez: s/$/:80/g or something |
| 15:23.11 | jepagodo | sdb__: just a sec |
| 15:23.13 | tarzeau | Xuse: don't count on it. |
| 15:23.14 | jetscreamer | you boys dissappoint me |
| 15:23.20 | tarzeau | Xuse: but i'd like to hear if it did or not |
| 15:23.32 | mwilson | directhex|work: How is it an *incorrect* tool for DVD burning? cdrecordProDVD (a free download) by definition burns DVD's, providing much more fine-grained control over their structure than growisofs does. |
| 15:23.33 | abrotman | jetscreamer: slacker |
| 15:23.34 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: selling debian for $1.000 ? |
| 15:23.45 | Xuse | Ubuntu weirdly never had a problem with it. |
| 15:23.50 | tarzeau | !UBUNTO |
| 15:23.50 | dpkg | ubunto is probably http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg |
| 15:23.58 | mwilson | directhex|work: Not to mention dvdrecord (which Debian packages), which is a renamed cdrecord. |
| 15:24.20 | Roadrunne | pipeline, thomas_adam: is the security server also available via ftp? i wasn't asked for. |
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| 15:24.33 | Xuse | yeah yeah tarzeau sorry for mentioning it ;p |
| 15:24.34 | thomas_adam | Roadrunne: It is, yes. |
| 15:24.44 | |dennis| | Question: "The next release of Debian is codenamed ‘sarge’ -- the release date has been set to 6 June 2005" This is what debian.org says...but i do not see an official release...will there be one today? |
| 15:24.48 | thomas_adam | Roadrunne: Depends whether you're using stable, testing, or unstable, though... |
| 15:24.58 | thomas_adam | |dennis|: WIR. |
| 15:25.00 | tarzeau | !topicbadger |dennis| |
| 15:25.01 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that |dennis| didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 15:25.18 | Roadrunne | thomas_adam: tesing, since sarge isn't stable. 'Err ftp://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages' |
| 15:25.20 | |dennis| | opps..sorry..... |
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| 15:25.28 | tarzeau | |dennis|: too late... |
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| 15:25.50 | thomas_adam | Roadrunne: Then when Sarge is released, add the security lines in yourself. Until then, Sarge is still testing, hence no security updates. |
| 15:26.07 | mwilson | thomas_adam: The testing security archive is gone again? |
| 15:26.13 | spunz | oh, sarge has been released |
| 15:26.16 | sanxiyn | There's testing security now... |
| 15:26.18 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I don't really keep up, since I don't run testing anywhere. |
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| 15:26.28 | tarzeau | boy is sarge old. when will etch be released? |
| 15:26.39 | voyageurs | oioi |
| 15:26.45 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Likewise. I did hear it was being iffy, but that mightn't be the case anymore. |
| 15:26.46 | yarddog | yes, debian.org says sarge has security updates since may 3 |
| 15:26.47 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Haha. |
| 15:26.48 | pusling | tarzeau: 3 years |
| 15:26.57 | Roadrunne | thomas_adam: so, just remove the line, till sarge is released? |
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| 15:27.09 | spunz | we migrate our suse sles and redhat as to debian sarge |
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| 15:27.15 | tarzeau | spunz: cool! |
| 15:27.16 | thomas_adam | Roadrunne: Well, people are now saying it's up and runing, so... try it and see, is all I can say. |
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| 15:27.21 | tarzeau | spunz: how much $$$ do you save? |
| 15:27.22 | sanxiyn | spunz: Good luck. |
| 15:27.23 | spunz | suse/rh can't support our hylafax servers |
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| 15:27.30 | directhex|work | i think i'm gonna stop bothering & step away. at points like this, all i need to do is remember an earlier argument about 1280x1024, and i can laugh |
| 15:27.35 | thomas_adam | Roadrunne: There's no harm in keeping it in, as all that'll happen is it'll timeout if it can't be found, so... |
| 15:27.36 | spunz | so, why pay 8000¤ ;) |
| 15:27.41 | abrotman | use it as sarge .. not testing |
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| 15:28.05 | mwilson | directhex|work: By all means, stop bothering to be wrong. |
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| 15:29.39 | directhex|work | mwilson, i'm sure i told you something similar a few months back |
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| 15:30.46 | petemc | what kind of cheese? |
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| 15:31.04 | abrotman | !start a foodfight |
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| 15:31.12 | Mayhem | my own special blend |
| 15:31.22 | directhex|work | it's !start a food fight |
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| 15:31.41 | Mayhem | !continue a food fight |
| 15:31.48 | PeTeRB | !foodfight |
| 15:31.52 | PeTeRB | Bah |
| 15:31.53 | tarzeau | !breastfeed abrotman |
| 15:32.00 | tarzeau | !eat PeTeRB |
| 15:32.08 | Bazzi | !irritate tarzeau |
| 15:32.08 | dpkg | tarzeau: hi every1 who uses sound lol |
| 15:32.10 | lrojas | !hide |
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| 15:32.22 | krono | !run |
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| 15:32.28 | PeTeRB | !abuse |
| 15:32.28 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 15:32.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have to mouthes you know! |
| 15:32.46 | krono | oO |
| 15:32.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: err two |
| 15:32.57 | abrotman | god .. my typing is going downhill |
| 15:33.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: stop writing so many lines you !debstats whore |
| 15:33.14 | Mayhem | give him the other one dpkg |
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| 15:33.18 | pusling | hey! When will sarge be released ? ;) |
| 15:33.26 | lrojas | tomorrow |
| 15:33.27 | tarzeau | !topicbadger pusling |
| 15:33.28 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that pusling didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 15:33.34 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: You read my mind. |
| 15:33.40 | Mayhem | STACKS ON PUSLING |
| 15:33.40 | thomas_adam | Stop with the damn topicbadger, FFS. |
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| 15:33.54 | lrojas | !badger |
| 15:33.57 | lrojas | hehe |
| 15:34.01 | Spec | ~badger |
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| 15:34.03 | Spec | aww |
| 15:34.08 | abrotman | what happened to "ENOUGH!" ? |
| 15:34.10 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I wish all these people who think they'll just die without Sarge would go ahead and die. :) |
| 15:34.20 | shingouz | you guys sound like you are bored |
| 15:34.24 | thomas_adam | There's hope yet. :) |
| 15:34.30 | tarzeau | shingouz: you'll join us too? |
| 15:34.33 | shingouz | mwilson: amen. |
| 15:34.36 | PeTeRB | !dachs lrojas and Spec |
| 15:34.37 | dpkg | lrojas and Spec: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 15:34.48 | Spec | hehe |
| 15:34.54 | shingouz | tarzeau: i am not bored enough to start a food fight |
| 15:34.59 | tarzeau | pusling: one of each, ice cold? |
| 15:35.06 | WhiteRabbit | pusling, even if it does release I will still be using testing hehe |
| 15:35.11 | tarzeau | pusling: what did you lose? |
| 15:35.15 | ruru | It's now 23:34 06 June now.. |
| 15:35.25 | abrotman | pusling: what time today ? |
| 15:35.33 | sanxiyn | ruru: In your timezone... |
| 15:35.34 | ruru | I hope Sarge will release before june 24:00 |
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| 15:35.39 | pusling | well it is half past five now ;) |
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| 15:35.47 | ruru | GMT +0800 |
| 15:35.47 | sanxiyn | 2005-06-07T00:35 Here. |
| 15:36.03 | Mayhem | its Tuesday already here |
| 15:36.33 | _joey | fuck yeah |
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| 15:36.34 | Xuse | tarzeau can i just install kanotix the distro upgrade to sarge? |
| 15:36.38 | resiak | !kanotic |
| 15:36.38 | resiak | !kanotix |
| 15:36.39 | dpkg | methinks kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix |
| 15:36.40 | tarzeau | Xuse: NO |
| 15:36.43 | tarzeau | !debian based |
| 15:36.43 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 15:36.44 | jasoncohen | is unstable a better choice than testing if security updates are a concern? |
| 15:36.52 | shingouz | i would not want to be on the devel team today, they must surely have their work set out. not to mention just a small stress trying to get the show on the road |
| 15:37.00 | resiak | jasoncohen: Subscribing to d-s-a is the best bet. |
| 15:37.01 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: yes |
| 15:37.03 | zinx | jasoncohen: no, stable is |
| 15:37.05 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 15:37.05 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:37.07 | pusling | WhiteRabbit: I use either stable or unstable ;) |
| 15:37.10 | Xuse | woah cool it |
| 15:37.14 | Xuse | i was just wondering |
| 15:37.22 | jasoncohen | zinx, stable isn't really an option for a desktop- at least for me it isn't |
| 15:37.25 | sanxiyn | !ubuntusmite me |
| 15:37.26 | tarzeau | Xuse: sorry i get jumpy when i hear that question |
| 15:37.29 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, do you run unstable? |
| 15:37.29 | zinx | jasoncohen: wait a few days. |
| 15:37.33 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: yes |
| 15:37.38 | zinx | jasoncohen: sarge will be stable very soon |
| 15:37.43 | Beaky | what does udeb stand for? |
| 15:37.48 | shingouz | a bug |
| 15:37.50 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: on sparc, powerpc, i386, hp-parisc and alpha |
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| 15:37.56 | black13 | Gathond, sorry i had to drop off my kid as school |
| 15:37.59 | tarzeau | Beaky: small debian packages |
| 15:38.02 | shingouz | bah. caffeine |
| 15:38.05 | tarzeau | Beaky: with stuff ripped off |
| 15:38.06 | directhex|work | kanotix is also such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) |
| 15:38.07 | directhex|work | bah |
| 15:38.07 | directhex|work | !kanotix is also such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) |
| 15:38.07 | jasoncohen | zinx, yeah, but i'm looking forward to upcoming changes in sid/etch like openoffice 1.1.4, xorg, gnome 2.10 |
| 15:38.07 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 15:38.14 | Beaky | ok, for installers etc . . . |
| 15:38.21 | lrojas | anybody here familiar with the workings of bitchx ? |
| 15:38.21 | lrojas | i was wondering how can i join a second server/channel and then switch among the 2 |
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| 15:38.28 | zinx | jasoncohen: well, just be aware that unstable will break, and you'll have to fix it |
| 15:38.34 | sanxiyn | !bitchx |
| 15:38.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bitchx is a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages |
| 15:38.36 | tarzeau | lrojas: just get talksoup.app |
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| 15:38.41 | tarzeau | lrojas: or irssi-text |
| 15:38.42 | zinx | jasoncohen: and if you can't, well, you get to keep the pieces :/ |
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| 15:38.52 | tarzeau | mwilson: none comes to my mind |
| 15:39.00 | jasoncohen | the question is how often does it break? |
| 15:39.06 | Xuse | tarzeau i'm just trying to think how to get this nforce thingy to work though, there doesn't seem to be an easy way. =( |
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| 15:39.06 | jasoncohen | from what i hear, problems are rare |
| 15:39.07 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: sometimes |
| 15:39.14 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: if you never use gnome or kde, almost never |
| 15:39.16 | lrojas | talksoup? |
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| 15:39.17 | zinx | jasoncohen: depends on the phase of the moon |
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| 15:39.20 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Heh. |
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| 15:39.27 | lrojas | linky? |
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| 15:39.28 | tarzeau | Xuse: yes, get a real network card |
| 15:39.28 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, what breaks most of the time? |
| 15:39.33 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: gnome and kde |
| 15:39.43 | Xuse | tarzeau that's not a soloution. |
| 15:39.46 | jasoncohen | so, if i use KDE i should be more careful |
| 15:39.47 | lrojas | ok brb, gonna try another client |
| 15:39.47 | tarzeau | lrojas: WWW.GOOGLE.COM |
| 15:39.53 | cahoot | jasoncohen: the problem being you can't pick a suitable point in time for breaking the system |
| 15:39.57 | tarzeau | Xuse: well then there isn't one |
| 15:39.58 | mae | Hi, I am having a slight issue with XFree86: On testing after installing x-window-system and xserver-xfree86 i get the following error on load: "Unable to load module bitmap and pcidata" |
| 15:39.59 | sanxiyn | !fgi lrojas |
| 15:40.09 | tarzeau | Xuse: UNIX was made to solve 90 % easily |
| 15:40.10 | directhex|work | Xuse, nforce2 has worked for me since debian-installer beta 4. |
| 15:40.18 | tarzeau | Xuse: the other 10 % is your business |
| 15:40.18 | jasoncohen | i guess i should stick with testing then |
| 15:40.20 | pusling | jasoncohen: and soon, X might also break in unstable |
| 15:40.33 | sanxiyn | Hail Xorg |
| 15:40.34 | pusling | jasoncohen: or stable in a couple of hours, hopefully |
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| 15:40.54 | spunz | can anybody change the topic? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:40.59 | spunz | sarge is stable |
| 15:41.08 | tarzeau | spunz: was it announced? |
| 15:41.10 | sanxiyn | spunz: No announcement yet. |
| 15:41.11 | iostream | :D :D :D :D |
| 15:41.16 | ruru | :D |
| 15:41.21 | iostream | Weeeeeeeeeeeeee! ;) |
| 15:41.21 | mae | rock on |
| 15:41.21 | jasoncohen | i think i'm going to switch my mythtvbackend/frontend/fileserver to stable so i can get security updates until i need something in etch |
| 15:41.25 | Xuse | directhex, oh well i used the installer last week and i got error messages about dhcp. |
| 15:41.28 | sanxiyn | Mail date to debian-devel-announce |
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| 15:41.29 | SDFH_Linux | amazing how small the install of debian is when you just install xwindows and blackbox |
| 15:41.31 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 15:41.36 | mwilson | ew, myth |
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| 15:41.42 | spunz | the change the downloadlinks yet |
| 15:41.54 | spunz | many 404 + changes to 31r0 links |
| 15:41.54 | jasoncohen | mwilson, myth is awesome. i have a 2 tuner setup with a 400 GB LVM |
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| 15:41.57 | Xuse | net install that is. |
| 15:42.01 | gypsymauro | I've a problem with sl-modem, I can call provider, buw I get always an error "NO CARRIER" |
| 15:42.08 | gypsymauro | it seems I'm not the only one |
| 15:42.12 | mwilson | You don't hear about myth very much any more... I figured it'd finally died out. |
| 15:42.16 | _joey | they should have an image for dvd |
| 15:42.17 | gypsymauro | but I didn't find a solution |
| 15:42.18 | zOap | !tell sanxiyn about hitler |
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| 15:42.24 | jasoncohen | mwilson, it's healthy - mythtv.org |
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| 15:42.49 | mwilson | jasoncohen: No, it's crap, but what're you gonna do? |
| 15:42.50 | sanxiyn | zOap: ??? |
| 15:42.51 | jasoncohen | how does gentoo unstable compare to debian unstable when it comes to stability? |
| 15:42.56 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: it sucks |
| 15:42.58 | joink | hahaha |
| 15:42.58 | zOap | "hail xorg" |
| 15:42.59 | pusling | gentoo sucks |
| 15:42.59 | jsumners | i need to send mail through an external SMTP server in a script. does the default "mail" application support this? |
| 15:43.08 | jasoncohen | mwilson, and when was the last time you used it? |
| 15:43.09 | mwilson | wtf is "gentoo unstable"? |
| 15:43.10 | dippo | no |
| 15:43.10 | zOap | sanxiyn, "hail xorg" |
| 15:43.11 | directhex|work | Xuse, there are some known problems on some boards with some hardware combinaryions. try installing with "linux26 noacpi noapic nolapic" at the boot prompt |
| 15:43.15 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: half of the packages are in terrible shape, especially on non-i386 |
| 15:43.16 | dippo | err |
| 15:43.23 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: like you take upstream tarball and rape it |
| 15:43.24 | dippo | jsumners: no, not unless the MTA on the machine is configured to do so |
| 15:43.27 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, who cares? i always compile |
| 15:43.35 | zOap | sanxiyn, just thought you should know:) |
| 15:43.35 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: then why do you ask about gentoo? |
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| 15:43.40 | sanxiyn | zOap: If you mean Gentoo ~, not really comparable. Debian much better. |
| 15:43.44 | jsumners | dippo: thanks, i will dig around in exim.conf |
| 15:43.57 | zOap | sanxiyn, lol:) |
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| 15:44.01 | pusling | jasoncohen: the big problem with gentoo is you might have to upgrade from 1.2.x to 2.x to get security fixes. not optimal in a production environment. (And installing kde on gentoo takes a day) |
| 15:44.06 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, the gentoo question was unrelated |
| 15:44.07 | Xuse | directhex thanks i'll try that out. |
| 15:44.09 | black13 | sorry i may have asked this question earlier ... "cpp: -c is not a valid option to the preprocessor" i had to leave took my kid to school |
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| 15:44.22 | petemc | jsumners: you're looking to set up a smarthost |
| 15:44.24 | sanxiyn | pusling: Use binary package on Gentoo? :-) |
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| 15:44.35 | _joey | gentoo is the suck |
| 15:44.42 | pusling | sanxiyn: then - what is the purpose of gentoo ? |
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| 15:44.46 | sanxiyn | (Not many people I know who use Gentoo doesn't compile OpenOffice.org anyway. They use binary.) |
| 15:44.53 | jasoncohen | pusling, is their unstable distribution more stable or less so than debian unstable? this is for a desktop |
| 15:44.58 | Lee__ | black13: sounds like you're passing the wrong argument to your compiler. |
| 15:45.05 | sanxiyn | pusling: The fact that you can compile if you want. |
| 15:45.17 | Lee__ | sanxiyn: apt-get source foo |
| 15:45.19 | pusling | sanxiyn: it is also possible on debian to compile if you want |
| 15:45.19 | dippo | i can't help but notice it seems a little bit silly to compare the stability of two distributions labelled "unstable" |
| 15:45.21 | sanxiyn | pusling: Also, easiness of introducing local patches. |
| 15:45.28 | neoXite | is there a way to kill all child processes of a process? (ie kill all sshd session without killing sshd itself)? |
| 15:45.39 | tarzeau | neoXite: yes |
| 15:45.39 | Lee__ | neoXite: pkill processname |
| 15:45.42 | sanxiyn | (Drop patch in patches/ directory of portage tree, emerge, voila.) |
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| 15:45.48 | tarzeau | Lee__: well that'll kill them all |
| 15:45.49 | Lee__ | no, don't do that. sorry. |
| 15:45.49 | _joey | The most entertaining thing about gentoo is to watch gentoo users telling each other stories on how many days it took them to compile kde 3.4 on their systems :) |
| 15:45.50 | jsumners | petemc: already have one set up but it no longer works so now i have to use a host that requires SMTP AUTH |
| 15:45.58 | tarzeau | neoXite: can you kill all sshd of one user? |
| 15:45.58 | black13 | Lee__, the progame compiles fine on gentoo i thought i would see what would happen on debian/ubuntu |
| 15:46.09 | jasoncohen | _joey, lol, why is that something to brag about? |
| 15:46.11 | petemc | jsumners: thats easily doable, with exim acting as a client |
| 15:46.29 | jsumners | sweet |
| 15:46.30 | mwilson | jasoncohen: They're Gentoobies, hence stupid. You really had to ask? |
| 15:46.32 | petemc | jsumners: but how you achieve it depends on a number of things |
| 15:46.32 | sanxiyn | So everybody, compile OpenOffice.org at home :-) |
| 15:46.33 | tarzeau | _joey: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=94171&cid=8080529 |
| 15:46.38 | sanxiyn | (Don't.) |
| 15:46.39 | neoXite | tarzeau: yeah |
| 15:46.45 | jasoncohen | _joey, that seems like a *downside* of gentoo. it can take several hours to compile security ugrades slowing your system down and preventing you from doing other tasks |
| 15:46.57 | jasoncohen | mwilson, i don't know many gentoo users |
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| 15:47.08 | black13 | i am own (gentoo) |
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| 15:47.14 | black13 | one |
| 15:47.14 | _joey | several hours to compile? on system wtih 4 cpus maybe |
| 15:47.17 | error403 | is there any way of finding out why ALSA is screwed on my Sarge install? |
| 15:47.18 | black13 | spelling |
| 15:47.18 | Lee__ | black13: I wouldn't think distro would influence a compiler. I'd pick through the compiler arguments one by one. |
| 15:47.29 | Lee__ | error403: sure. |
| 15:47.31 | pusling | sudo apt-get build-dep openoffice.org && apt-get source openoffice.org && dpkg-buildpackage && dpkg -i *.deb |
| 15:47.33 | rfcomm0 | Zta: r u there? |
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| 15:47.37 | pusling | oops... wrong terminal |
| 15:47.38 | _joey | fullbinary kde 3.4 is at least 600Mb in sizeand it's c++ source |
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| 15:48.05 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: That slashdot comment reminds me of TCCBOOT. |
| 15:48.29 | directhex|work | error403, have you installed the alsa-base and alsa-utils packages, run alsaconf, and rebooted? |
| 15:48.32 | sanxiyn | (A boot loader that compiles Linux kernel on the fly.) |
| 15:48.34 | directhex|work | error403, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
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| 15:49.40 | Netsnipe | morning everyone |
| 15:49.42 | Lee__ | !greenhouse |
| 15:49.42 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 15:49.46 | Netsnipe | you're all in for a surprise |
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| 15:49.55 | shingouz | i have a guess... |
| 15:50.00 | sanxiyn | Lee__: Campaign for use of nuclear power. |
| 15:50.04 | Mayhem | etch is out!?!? |
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| 15:50.12 | iostream | Mayhem: no. |
| 15:50.18 | Mayhem | aww :( |
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| 15:50.25 | directhex|work | sarge comes with Duke Nukem Forever? |
| 15:50.28 | Netsnipe | Mayhem: debian has disbanded |
| 15:50.31 | Netsnipe | ubuntu won |
| 15:50.34 | Mayhem | yes! |
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| 15:50.38 | yarddog | lol |
| 15:50.38 | Netsnipe | we're all swearing allegiance to Stric |
| 15:50.41 | sanxiyn | We've got enough Uranium not to worry about energy. |
| 15:50.42 | Netsnipe | and the badger |
| 15:50.42 | dippo | 0wn3d |
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| 15:50.48 | lewis | how much do you all hate realtek network controllers, and why? |
| 15:50.50 | Mayhem | Netsnipe, turns out I'm the big hero? |
| 15:50.55 | shingouz | stric? should i google? |
| 15:51.02 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: change the /topic already |
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| 15:51.07 | directhex|work | lewis, 1839 is a little low end, but on the whole realtek stuff works |
| 15:51.11 | shingouz | lewis: more than you can imagine |
| 15:51.11 | Netsnipe | tarzeau: I've been told not to |
| 15:51.12 | gahan | btw |
| 15:51.19 | Netsnipe | tarzeau: apparently some arch aren't ready yet |
| 15:51.19 | gahan | how is new testing called? |
| 15:51.20 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: we are the users! |
| 15:51.25 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: oh, ok wait tehn |
| 15:51.27 | jsumners | petemc and dippo: i got it fixed. thanks for the help |
| 15:51.27 | blueGremlin | gahan: Etch |
| 15:51.28 | Netsnipe | tarzeau: but i386 and amd64, ppc are ready |
| 15:51.38 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: sparc? alpha? parisc? |
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| 15:51.53 | Netsnipe | <aba> Netsnipe: wait for the announcement; e.g. currently, some installers have issues because of the stable->woody-Symlink, and also, some mirrors are currently in a bad state. |
| 15:52.02 | Netsnipe | hmm...to hand out the url or not to |
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| 15:52.09 | homekneet | tarzeau: it'll be one if the difficult ones - i386 or similar :) |
| 15:52.10 | Netsnipe | sorry guys |
| 15:52.11 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: i'm also there |
| 15:52.13 | Netsnipe | I've been silenced |
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| 15:52.18 | shingouz | hehe |
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| 15:52.25 | lewis | Gigabyte has no way of easily searching their motheboards. I ended up listing every Gigabyte board ever made that had onbuilt LAN. I then had to scroll through 1,000, and picked out all the Socket 478 with onbuilt VGA, and 3 PCI sockets. I am down to about 10, and have: http://tw.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_Spec_GA-8IG1000MT.htm |
| 15:52.32 | dippo | it's okay, no one has been asking about it anyway |
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| 15:52.43 | benjamindees | is there a way to use the Quality Feedback Agent with firefox in debian? |
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| 15:53.26 | shingouz | Netsnipe: it is good to have some real information on this, you have no idea how many "is sarge out" questions there have been in the past about 24 hours already, easier to tell people to sit and wait when we have something real to go from. thanks |
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| 15:53.30 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: you think you can tell me when to update it on freshmeat.net ? |
| 15:53.30 | ruru | where is sarge... |
| 15:53.39 | shingouz | ruru: awol |
| 15:53.49 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: -2 hours because the need some time to review it? |
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| 15:53.52 | ruru | !awol |
| 15:53.53 | dpkg | well, awol is Absent WithOut Leave; a military term. |
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| 15:54.07 | Netsnipe | the problem is that the ISOs have default sources.list entries |
| 15:54.08 | ruru | !debian |
| 15:54.08 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 15:54.15 | Netsnipe | that point to sarge symlinks which have't been fixed on the mirrors yet |
| 15:54.20 | ruru | !etch |
| 15:54.20 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases> |
| 15:54.21 | Netsnipe | just a few more hours... |
| 15:54.40 | sanxiyn | Netsnipe: Sarge symlink? |
| 15:54.49 | shingouz | Netsnipe: we can wait, it is just the total newcomers who are in a rush |
| 15:54.49 | tarzeau | sarge the plastic soldier is in the sandbox playing with sid |
| 15:54.51 | Netsnipe | sarge -> testing right now |
| 15:54.52 | sanxiyn | Netsnipe: Default sources.list doesn't mention sarge directly? |
| 15:54.55 | Netsnipe | no sarge -> stable |
| 15:54.57 | sanxiyn | Oops, indeed. |
| 15:55.03 | Netsnipe | errr... |
| 15:55.04 | Netsnipe | my bad |
| 15:55.05 | sanxiyn | sarge is symlinked to testing in mirrors. :( |
| 15:55.06 | Netsnipe | other way around |
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| 15:55.12 | sanxiyn | Eh, no. |
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| 15:55.15 | ruru | yes. sarge point to stable now |
| 15:55.16 | tarzeau | you can fix your sources.list easyily by typing telnet linuks.mine.nu |
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| 15:55.30 | Netsnipe | until it's "stable -> sarge" I can't reveal the ISO torrent tracker to you peeps |
| 15:55.34 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: do you know who's behind mirrors@d.o? |
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| 15:55.47 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: well i know too, it's on the organizing chart but why wouldn't they reply? |
| 15:55.48 | Netsnipe | tarzeau: ftp_master |
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| 15:56.02 | Netsnipe | tarzeau: i.e. contact him at your own risk. |
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| 15:56.16 | Lee__ | would it be worth it to download a sarge net install iso today? I'm guessing it won't change much after the release? |
| 15:56.32 | benjamindees | Lee__, good guess |
| 15:56.34 | yarddog | heh |
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| 15:56.40 | pusling | Lee__: sarge is total frozen |
| 15:56.43 | thoron | Hi! Where I can find current bootable testing CD installer ISO image? |
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| 15:56.59 | Lee__ | thoron: www.debian.org |
| 15:57.05 | Mayhem | go the torrent |
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| 15:57.42 | thoron | Lee__, Yes, I managed to figure that far by myself already. I was hoping for little bit more specific answer. |
| 15:57.58 | sanxiyn | Oh what is the origin of retroflex consonants. |
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| 15:58.01 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: it's not ftp_master according to http://www.nl.debian.org/intro/organization |
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| 15:58.12 | Sirius_Black | currently my /etc/apt/sources.list points to "unstable". When Sarge becomes "stable", i presume cy current "unstable" distro becomes "testing", and there will be a new "unstable". DO i need to apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 15:58.21 | tarzeau | Netsnipe: you know if one of the four mirrors people are on irc? (i could check using the ldap webfrontend...) |
| 15:58.22 | Sesse | Sirius_Black: no, unstable is always unstable |
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| 15:58.26 | sanxiyn | Sirius_Black: Mistaken. |
| 15:58.38 | tarzeau | Sirius_Black: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:58.41 | Sirius_Black | ok cheers |
| 15:59.05 | Lee__ | is unstable always named sid? |
| 15:59.08 | pusling | Lee__: yes |
| 15:59.09 | tarzeau | Lee__: yes |
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| 15:59.44 | pusling | Sirius_Black: soon testing and stable will be the same. afterwards, new packages will go to testing |
| 15:59.51 | mne | hi everybody ! does anyone know how I can change the priority of an already running process ? |
| 15:59.58 | adobbie | mne: renice |
| 15:59.58 | PeTeRB | mne: man renice |
| 15:59.59 | Mayhem | mne, man renice |
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| 16:00.08 | mne | coool, that was fast, thx ;) |
| 16:00.12 | benjamindees | damn you all are quick :) |
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| 16:00.46 | sanxiyn | s after iujwrk becomes s` |
| 16:00.47 | adobbie | benjamindees: didn't even have to think about that one :) I like questions like that |
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| 16:01.28 | Mayhem | in fact, it was a little *too* easy... |
| 16:01.29 | dippo | crap i just realized this means i need to go through all my machines and s/stable/woody |
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| 16:01.45 | Mayhem | dippo, yep, better get onto it |
| 16:01.49 | PeTeRB | dippo: Why? |
| 16:02.02 | adobbie | should have been using names from the start |
| 16:02.08 | dippo | so that when my nightly update script I don't get mail about 450 new updates :) |
| 16:02.10 | dippo | adobbie: yeah |
| 16:02.12 | thoron | Lee__, Well, I found it http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 16:02.41 | Lee__ | congrats. |
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| 16:02.51 | toresbe | arugh what's sarge+1 again... |
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| 16:02.58 | Mayhem | 2? |
| 16:03.05 | blueGremlin | Etch? |
| 16:03.06 | dopey | etch? |
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| 16:03.10 | toresbe | ahright |
| 16:03.11 | toresbe | thanks |
| 16:03.43 | resiak | !sarge+1 is etch, okay? |
| 16:03.44 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 16:03.52 | pusling | will etch be 3.2 or 4 ? |
| 16:04.07 | Mayhem | sarge+1 should be 4.1... |
| 16:04.14 | gass | pusling: 4 at least |
| 16:04.19 | gass | Mayhem: y |
| 16:04.27 | _joey | are we going to get dvd image for debian sarge ? |
| 16:04.28 | benjamindees | sarge should be 4.0 |
| 16:04.36 | blueGremlin | Yes, _joey |
| 16:04.38 | pusling | _joey: yes. |
| 16:04.39 | PeTeRB | gass: 3.1+1 = 4.1 |
| 16:04.48 | resiak | Why should it be 4? |
| 16:04.48 | pusling | _joey: they ar downloadable already |
| 16:04.52 | adobbie | sarge is going to be 3.1 isn't it? |
| 16:05.02 | thoron | yes |
| 16:05.04 | gass | _joey: 2 dvd's <--- is it enought for you? |
| 16:05.26 | benjamindees | resiak, hasn't everything in it gone through two release cycles? |
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| 16:05.31 | _joey | gass never enough but I'd take what's on offer :) |
| 16:05.45 | Phated | benjamindees: Why shouldn't it be 5, then? |
| 16:05.55 | benjamindees | Debian X |
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| 16:06.10 | Mayhem | 3.14 -> 3.141 -> ... |
| 16:06.10 | gass | _joey: the achieve for etch is to achieve one more dvd |
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| 16:06.13 | yarddog | Debian XP |
| 16:06.13 | sdb__ | huh? |
| 16:06.21 | lewis | between Intel ethernet controller and Realtek, it is Intel everytime, right? |
| 16:06.30 | resiak | benjamindees: Is that the criterion? I thought it was "drastic change". |
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| 16:06.36 | sdb__ | afaics, sarge == 3.1 && (etch == 3.2 || etch == 4.0) |
| 16:06.40 | thomas_adam | lewis: Depende. |
| 16:06.49 | LordNazgul | anyone have torrent links for sarge? (dont kill me please) |
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| 16:06.58 | ruru | etch should be 4.0 |
| 16:07.00 | pusling | LordNazgul: visit your local debian mirror |
| 16:07.00 | thoron | Debian 4.0 would be better. ;-) |
| 16:07.04 | gass | LOL -> there is not a criteria for release numbers |
| 16:07.05 | thomas_adam | LordNazgul: No, and bang bang, you're dead. |
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| 16:07.12 | adobbie | if sarge is 3.1 and woody was 3.0, then it makes sense for the next one to be 3.2 |
| 16:07.14 | sdb__ | thoron: any reason? |
| 16:07.18 | gass | etch should be 5.1 |
| 16:07.19 | adobbie | unless the next release is 10 years from now |
| 16:07.21 | LordNazgul | awww why did u have to do that thomas |
| 16:07.23 | lewis | thomas_adam: heh - just looking at new motherboards. All of Intels have integrated sound which don't fit into 1U cases. Found some interested looking Gigabyte ones. |
| 16:07.30 | dippo | etch should be 1.2, just to keep everyone on their toes |
| 16:07.31 | Mayhem | version x.0 releases always suck :) |
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| 16:07.42 | thomas_adam | LordNazgul: Heh. |
| 16:07.43 | thoron | sdb__, bigger is better and if only manage to do 0.1 progress in five years, it's quite sad. ;-) |
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| 16:07.46 | sdb__ | unless sarge->etch breaks compatability in some significant way |
| 16:07.46 | benjamindees | adobbie, good point; wait 'til it's released to number it :) |
| 16:07.49 | Mayhem | gass, surround sound debian :) |
| 16:07.52 | Yoda | etch?! and what's about sid? |
| 16:07.52 | thomas_adam | lewis: OK. |
| 16:08.02 | ruru | adobbie, you should believe our release team |
| 16:08.03 | adobbie | Yoda: sid never releases |
| 16:08.05 | thomas_adam | Yoda: What about it? That name does not change. |
| 16:08.10 | _joey | gass I doubt they will succeed in achieving it, it took them so long to get sarge out with two dvd's with 3 it'd take them forever :) |
| 16:08.14 | Yoda | oh, ok ;) |
| 16:08.16 | pusling | sdb__: is xfree > xorg a large change ? |
| 16:08.21 | thoron | sdb__, And because gcc 4 would be default compiler. ;-) |
| 16:08.28 | sanxiyn | Come GCC 4. |
| 16:08.37 | sdb__ | pusling: xfree -> xorg isn't, afaics |
| 16:08.45 | Yoda | i'm not really a insider yet, but i hope to become one.. within uhm.. the next years ;D |
| 16:08.47 | ruru | etch? I think it comes with gcc4+ xorg |
| 16:08.50 | sdb__ | gcc 3 -> gcc 4 is probably |
| 16:08.54 | Mayhem | the fact it was two dvds wasn't a holdup |
| 16:09.02 | sdb__ | especially for c++, I would think? |
| 16:09.06 | adobbie | Ubuntu has been using gcc 4 for a while already |
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| 16:09.10 | coruptkid | hi all |
| 16:09.16 | sanxiyn | adobbie: Yup. |
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| 16:09.26 | ruru | hingwah, adobbie |
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| 16:09.34 | coreyo | is there an option to apt-get remove --purge without removing depending packages? |
| 16:09.43 | kevin_ | how do i run sound configuration |
| 16:09.44 | coruptkid | i'm just installing debian sarge can anyone tell me which type of partition table is best for a web/ application server?? |
| 16:09.45 | sanxiyn | coreyo: No. |
| 16:09.46 | adobbie | gcc 4.1.0 isn't far off |
| 16:09.56 | sanxiyn | Also glorious GCJ. |
| 16:09.58 | thomas_adam | coreyo: No, as you'll break everything. |
| 16:10.03 | PeTeRB | kevin_: ALSA? |
| 16:10.12 | sanxiyn | Next Debian will certainly have super fast native Eclipse fully free. |
| 16:10.13 | naula | coreyo: you can run: dpkg --purge <packagename> |
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| 16:10.17 | pusling | coruptkid: you can with 'man dpkg' but be careful |
| 16:10.19 | gass | _joey: woody was 7 cd's ... 700* 7 = 4.9 gb ... right? sarge is double ... 14 * 700 = 9.8 Gb ... so ... we grow one dvd from woody to sarge |
| 16:10.21 | coreyo | then can I purge packages with dpkg without removing depends |
| 16:10.22 | kevin_ | for ac97 |
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| 16:10.25 | gu | coruptkid: big /home, big /var ;) |
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| 16:10.35 | benjamindees | coruptkid, /var in teh middle |
| 16:10.40 | coreyo | ahh... that's what I will do then. I just need to get rid of stale files and then reinstall |
| 16:10.50 | adobbie | so next Debian will try to fill a BluRay disk? :) |
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| 16:11.11 | Mayhem | coruptkid, look into LVM/EVMS |
| 16:11.11 | naula | coreyo: "dpkg --purge" removes only that one package |
| 16:11.12 | kevin_ | says to use aumix |
| 16:11.17 | neoXite | how do i kill all instances of a program running under a specific user? |
| 16:11.21 | coreyo | naula: thanks |
| 16:11.25 | lrojas_ | *blinks* |
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| 16:11.39 | coruptkid | i'm at the install scree and i have the options of bsd, gpt, mac, dvh, msdos, pc98, s390, sun, amiga and loop. WHICH ONE?!! or no difference cos you can still edit? |
| 16:11.41 | Yoda | needed 2-3 day's to download the both sarge amd64 dvd's via jigdo, finished today ;D |
| 16:11.45 | naula | neoXite: with skill or slay |
| 16:11.54 | ruru | hingwah, gcc4 is in exprimental, is not it? |
| 16:11.59 | Netsnipe | yes |
| 16:11.59 | neoXite | thx |
| 16:12.02 | coreyo | naula: 'cept it's complaining about dependencies |
| 16:12.03 | thomas_adam | coruptkid: Eh? |
| 16:12.05 | adobbie | ruru: no, stable |
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| 16:12.18 | coreyo | naula: --force-depends? |
| 16:12.20 | Mayhem | coruptkid, have you read the install guide? |
| 16:12.21 | naula | neoXite: wait a minute... they kill all processes of certain user |
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| 16:12.22 | adobbie | ruru: released 2005-04-20 |
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| 16:12.43 | benjamindees | !win Yoda |
| 16:12.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, Yoda! You have won the US presidency! |
| 16:12.45 | adobbie | ruru: oh sorry, I though you asked if 4 was experimental |
| 16:13.04 | naula | coreyo: basicly you should not purge packages that some other packages depend upon. |
| 16:13.05 | sanxiyn | neoXite: ps -u <username> -o pid | xargs kill |
| 16:13.07 | coruptkid | Mayhem: i've set up a debian Sarge system before but this dell server has dual serial ATA hard drives and i never saw this screen on a normal ide setup |
| 16:13.21 | Yoda | thx, thx ;D |
| 16:13.22 | shdl | Hi whats the kernel option or packages that I have to do for enabling ra0 for my wifi pcmcia card. At the install i uninstalled the pcmcia-support package and cant find its name :( |
| 16:13.24 | sanxiyn | neoXite: Or something like that. |
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| 16:13.42 | Xuse | gah why can i never find a pen when i need it =( |
| 16:13.44 | Mayhem | coruptkid, are you going to put any other OS on the disk? probably not? |
| 16:13.45 | neoXite | naula: i want to kill all intances of sshd running under a specific user |
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| 16:13.47 | ruru | thanks adobbie |
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| 16:13.56 | coruptkid | Mayhem: no just debian Sarge |
| 16:13.57 | gass | _joey: there are many, many packages, important ones still missing in debian |
| 16:13.57 | Mayhem | coruptkid, usual for x86 is msdos I believe |
| 16:14.02 | coreyo | naula: right, but I have whacked config files that I want to completely get rid of. I'll be reinstalling them immediately afterwards. BTW, exim4 is a ROYAL pain |
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| 16:14.04 | benjamindees | coruptkid, oh, choose BSD |
| 16:14.15 | naula | coreyo: --force-depends works, of course. |
| 16:14.25 | coruptkid | benjamindees/Mayhem: msdos or bsd? |
| 16:14.27 | neoXite | also, it would be cool if i could simply kill all children of sshd without killing sshd itself |
| 16:14.30 | adobbie | ruru: gcc-4.0_4.0.0-8 I think |
| 16:14.36 | sanxiyn | gass: Be sure to file request for packaging (RFP) bugs. |
| 16:14.37 | naula | coreyo: if you want good MTA, install postfix |
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| 16:14.44 | gpm | neoXite: that's something for another admin |
| 16:14.46 | benjamindees | coruptkid, I'm just guessing based off Compaqs |
| 16:14.52 | gpm | neoXite: (the remote one) |
| 16:14.52 | tarzeau | http://people.zoy.org/~sam/phd-sarge.png |
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| 16:15.09 | dippo | tarzeau: heh |
| 16:15.14 | coruptkid | Mayhem: ic |
| 16:15.17 | coreyo | naula: I'm having some sort of open relay problems with exim4, and the whole thing is a giant mystery to configure. If this doesn't fix the problem, I'll take your advice |
| 16:15.21 | Mayhem | coruptkid, I believe is msdos is the DOS standard 4 partitions then extended partitions |
| 16:15.33 | sanxiyn | Next Debian will have Mono implementing all of .NET 2. |
| 16:15.40 | coruptkid | Mayhem: k ic |
| 16:15.43 | Mayhem | coruptkid, may not be optimal, but all I've used |
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| 16:15.47 | naula | neoXite: that seems difficult for me. maybe you should run "ps aux" and pipe it to awk somehow to find those rioght processes |
| 16:15.48 | neoXite | well i have about 30 dead ssh sessions running on this machine, but i cant kill sshd because i'm connected via ssh myself |
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| 16:16.06 | dippo | neoXite: just exclude yours |
| 16:16.07 | coruptkid | benjamindees: how come you suggested BSD?? |
| 16:16.14 | debnow | woot! finally finished burning all the sarge cds |
| 16:16.26 | black13 | Lee__, i have done some googling and cpp should point to g++ maybe |
| 16:16.27 | jasoncohen | debnow, all 14? |
| 16:16.28 | gass | sanxiyn: i have someone to sign my key for co mainteining |
| 16:16.35 | coruptkid | Mayhem: is there not a partition manager on debian Sarge install? |
| 16:16.40 | debnow | all of them! (was bored) |
| 16:16.43 | jasoncohen | debnow, why would you want to do that? |
| 16:16.46 | neoXite | im trying but im still too green, reading the manpages though.. |
| 16:16.55 | jasoncohen | debnow, that's a waste of debian's ftp server bandwidth |
| 16:17.03 | benjamindees | coreyo, no idea; pay no attention to me... |
| 16:17.04 | Mayhem | coruptkid, there is, but if you have a blank disk you don't have any partitions or anything |
| 16:17.08 | jasoncohen | and it's completely useless...you'll never install anything off the last few disks |
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| 16:17.21 | debnow | why? I'll be hosting the cds on my lan |
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| 16:17.44 | jasoncohen | debnow, making your own apt repository? |
| 16:17.48 | adobbie | debnow: DVDs are much easier to work with |
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| 16:17.54 | kiosk | hi all. How to give recently createt user minimum privileges -- ie he can not use any program but browser... |
| 16:17.59 | jasoncohen | yeah, you could have done it on 2 DVDs with jigdo |
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| 16:18.11 | debnow | some of our machines don't have dvds (still) ugh |
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| 16:18.15 | coruptkid | Mayhem: thanx |
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| 16:19.00 | debnow | jasoncohen: eventually, just going to host the cds for now until i read up more on apt |
| 16:19.06 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: most of our machines don't have DVD anymore :) |
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| 16:19.16 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: all netboot, no floppy, no cd, no dvd |
| 16:19.24 | Spec | yay |
| 16:19.31 | debnow | tarzeau: no usb? |
| 16:19.33 | tarzeau | s,jasonchen,debnow, |
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| 16:19.39 | tarzeau | debnow: usb is crap, but yes that's there |
| 16:19.48 | dank | hello |
| 16:20.00 | tarzeau | haha you think crap pc x86 ibm compatible computer bios can boot from usb? |
| 16:20.01 | rking | what are some signs of an irq conflict? i have an on-board sound card that's not working... if i modprobe various different drivers in /lib/modules/.../sound/pci i get some interesting results, but still no sound. i'm vaguely wondering if it's an irq conflict |
| 16:20.02 | jasoncohen | is the netboot stuff difficult? |
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| 16:20.11 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: no. |
| 16:20.16 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: it just sucks on x86 |
| 16:20.19 | lrojas_ | *blinks* |
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| 16:20.45 | Spec | netboot is easy on x86? |
| 16:20.57 | tarzeau | Spec: it's ok, and sucks. |
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| 16:21.02 | Spec | netboot as in PXE/Etherboot? |
| 16:21.06 | tarzeau | Spec: it's easier on anything else |
| 16:21.10 | kiosk | hi all. How to give recently createt user minimum privileges -- ie he can not use any program but browser... |
| 16:21.11 | Spec | really? |
| 16:21.12 | tarzeau | Spec: yes, what else does x86 have? |
| 16:21.15 | benjamindees | rking, cat /proc/interrupts |
| 16:21.17 | Spec | I've only set it up on x86 |
| 16:21.19 | tarzeau | Spec: sure, we auto-install ours like that |
| 16:21.28 | Spec | ah, I used netbooting for LTSP... |
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| 16:21.33 | tarzeau | Spec: it's great on alpha, sparc and powerpc (new world) |
| 16:21.42 | tarzeau | even mips! |
| 16:21.43 | thomas_adam | kiosk: To do what? |
| 16:21.50 | tarzeau | and hp parisc |
| 16:21.52 | |dennis| | question the businesscard.iso is a small iso made to be booted of a smal storage device like..lets say a flash drive? |
| 16:21.53 | Spec | I never get the opportunity to work on alpha, sparc, powerpc, or mips =P |
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| 16:21.58 | rking | benjamindees: ahh, thanks. nope, no conflict. |
| 16:22.06 | tarzeau | kiosk: read the kiosk howto |
| 16:22.14 | Spec | |dennis|: businesscard is meant for those cool miniature cds |
| 16:22.21 | tarzeau | Spec: if you're in switzerland tell me |
| 16:22.25 | benjamindees | kiosk, dunno, make his shell run inside a chroot |
| 16:22.26 | |dennis| | oh..okiee...:) |
| 16:22.35 | Spec | alright, next time I go to switzerland I'll be sure to inform you, tarzeau ^.^ |
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| 16:23.05 | Spec | it's kinda far away :p |
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| 16:23.59 | coruptkid | Some advice please, i have dual 80GB hard drives in my new server, would you recomend cutting up the entire 80GB of the primary hard disk for Debian or Leaving say 40GB free?? |
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| 16:24.02 | cinix | lame |
| 16:24.03 | AigleDor | may the official iso's released today be different from these: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-iso/3.1_r0/ ? |
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| 16:24.37 | honschu | AigleDor: Where are the offical iso's? |
| 16:24.41 | black13 | "cpp: -c is not a valid option to the preprocessor" |
| 16:24.44 | kiosk | thomas_adam, prevet him from lounch any installed program... |
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| 16:24.53 | thomas_adam | kiosk: Ok, so see the Kiosk HOWTO. |
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| 16:25.07 | rking | coruptkid: i've lately been in the mode of tossing ~10Gb to /, and then making another, huge partition, and putting /usr /home /var... and so forth on it |
| 16:25.23 | dank | what i have to do debian say cannot open display when i try open debian? |
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| 16:25.29 | AigleDor | may the official iso's that will be released today be different from these: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-iso/3.1_r0/ ? |
| 16:25.31 | rking | coruptkid: but yeah, i'd give the whole thing to debian in one way or another... what plans do you have? |
| 16:25.32 | kiosk | thomas_adam, but if I wan some other program but browser to be lounched? |
| 16:25.45 | Spec | 100mbs for /boot, 5-6 gigs for /, 20 gigs for /usr/local, and the rest for /home :) |
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| 16:26.05 | Spec | and then have fstab mount /boot as read only |
| 16:26.07 | thomas_adam | kiosk: Then you have a few options -- and really it depends on the DE/WM you're using. KDE has a kiosk mode... |
| 16:26.11 | coruptkid | rking: the server is going to be housed and host web sites and applications |
| 16:26.11 | rking | Spec: 20 for /usr/local? do you compile your own stuff all the time? |
| 16:26.17 | Spec | rking: yeap |
| 16:26.23 | rking | Spec: buggah. |
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| 16:26.30 | Spec | rking: zope, postgres, etc are plopped in /usr/local |
| 16:26.34 | kiosk | thomas_adam, gnome/metacity |
| 16:26.37 | coruptkid | rking: ye i'll follow your advice and i'll slice up the entire hard disk. tnx |
| 16:26.38 | thomas_adam | dank: You have to run it as the same user that started X11 in the first place. |
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| 16:27.06 | thomas_adam | kiosk: I don't know -- try #gnome on irc.gnome.org == they might have some ideas. |
| 16:27.11 | umbop | hmm why would anyone want to mount a directory inside /home to /mnt/dir ? |
| 16:27.12 | Spec | dank: on the user that owns the X session type "xhost +", and then as the other user type "export DISPLAY=:0.0", then you'll be able to use it |
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| 16:27.19 | thomas_adam | Spec: Please... |
| 16:27.27 | Spec | ? |
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| 16:27.39 | rking | coruptkid: your config makes sense... i wonder why you wouldn't just go ahead and put mount the 20gb on /usr though |
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| 16:27.53 | thomas_adam | Spec: At least use a MIT-cookie and NOT xhost. |
| 16:28.02 | kiosk | thomas_adam, tnx.. Do you maybe know how to lock gnome desktop, preventing others t modify it? |
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| 16:28.04 | Spec | whyn't? |
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| 16:28.19 | adobbie | use the cookies |
| 16:28.19 | thomas_adam | kiosk: Not off-hand. I don't use GNOME. |
| 16:28.28 | rking | dank: do you have $DISPLAY set? try: echo $DISPLAY if that shows something reasonable, like :0.0, then do the xhost + thing that Spec mentioned |
| 16:28.29 | adobbie | it's easy and not terrible in terms of security |
| 16:28.37 | coruptkid | rking: i've just written down the partition table and the /usr wil have 20GB :-) |
| 16:28.42 | thomas_adam | kiosk: Note that mozilla and firefox do have a kiosk plugin which might help. |
| 16:28.44 | rking | coruptkid: sorry, i meant to direct that to Spec. =) |
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| 16:29.06 | Spec | rking: yeah, you could do that, i'm just used to /usr/local :p |
| 16:29.07 | coruptkid | rking: :-) |
| 16:29.12 | Spec | I know nothing about magic cookies :-/ |
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| 16:29.23 | Spec | Anyone know where some good documentation concerning cookies resides? |
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| 16:29.24 | kiosk | thomas_adam, yes, thanks again. I have seen that, but now I am just curious... |
| 16:29.31 | mwilson | rking: Why would you ever recommend xhost to someone? |
| 16:29.38 | thomas_adam | !tell Spec -about mit-magic-cookie |
| 16:29.46 | thomas_adam | Spec: Now you do. |
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| 16:29.50 | rking | mwilson: iunno - i was just trying to insert a node above spec's |
| 16:29.50 | coruptkid | rking: is there any point having a /swap partition larger than 1.5GB with 512MB of ram? |
| 16:30.08 | tarzeau | coruptkid: no |
| 16:30.23 | Spec | thomas_adam: i see |
| 16:30.30 | coruptkid | tarzeau: how muh would you say 1.2GB?? |
| 16:30.31 | Spec | thomas_adam: i'll have to do that in the future :p |
| 16:30.39 | thomas_adam | Spec: Indeed. |
| 16:30.44 | tarzeau | coruptkid: yes |
| 16:30.48 | Spec | so using xhost == very insecure? |
| 16:30.53 | tarzeau | coruptkid: actually depends on the disk size |
| 16:30.56 | rking | coruptkid: i don't think so. in fact, i botched an install once where i forgot to enable the swap, and with only 256 mb ram it was hardly ever a problem. firefox had a tendency to crash... but... =) |
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| 16:31.02 | adobbie | coruptkid: what kind of software do you run? |
| 16:31.03 | tarzeau | if you had a 2gb disk, i'd make the swap smaller |
| 16:31.20 | Spec | swap should be about twice the size of your ram |
| 16:31.24 | kiosk | anyway, how to prevent some user use some installed program? |
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| 16:31.31 | thomas_adam | kiosk: Yes. |
| 16:31.32 | mwilson | Spec: Not for a long time now. |
| 16:31.34 | Spec | unless you had a 2gb disk and 4 gigs of ram....in which case it wouldn't be possible :p |
| 16:31.38 | tarzeau | kiosk: take away their account |
| 16:31.40 | thomas_adam | kiosk: But it's not easy. |
| 16:31.41 | adobbie | Spec: no, you should make it as big as you need it, not larger |
| 16:31.47 | rking | Spec: do you know why they say that? it would seem to me like if you had tiny ram, like 16 mb, you'd want a huge swap |
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| 16:32.01 | coruptkid | adobbie: java2 and web and mail servers but i'm trying to anticipate for next 12 months |
| 16:32.02 | kevin_ | trying to install audio and all i have are oblect files with .c extension |
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| 16:32.10 | Spec | I'm not sure, that's just what i've been told countless numbers of time, but I think it's less true with computers with massive amounts of ram |
| 16:32.20 | kiosk | tarzeau, where to configure that? |
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| 16:32.34 | tarzeau | kiosk: /etc/passwd |
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| 16:32.52 | Xuse | tarzeau i just tried the net install again, still get the error. There must be some way to get that damn network card working -_- |
| 16:33.01 | adobbie | I've got 900MB of swap and I've never filled it. however, the biggest processes I run never top 700MB |
| 16:33.05 | rking | Xuse: what's your error? |
| 16:33.09 | kevin_ | notes say to make and make install but end up with no such file or directory message |
| 16:33.12 | rking | Xuse: and what kernel are you using? |
| 16:33.23 | tarzeau | Xuse: why don't you believe me? THERE IS NOT! |
| 16:33.26 | bodq | hello |
| 16:33.29 | Xuse | =( |
| 16:33.35 | tarzeau | rking: he's got a bullshit cheap nforce nvidia network crap card |
| 16:33.43 | tarzeau | Xuse: GET OVER IT |
| 16:33.44 | rking | tarzeau: oh. |
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| 16:33.47 | bodq | how would I make libwxgtk-python use GTK2 ? |
| 16:33.58 | tarzeau | bodq: forget it |
| 16:34.00 | rking | Xuse: i bought a network card from CompUSA saturday that was $4.31 |
| 16:34.05 | kiosk | tarzeau, how do you mean -- what to change for example, if i want user X to can not use for example Gnome Calculator? |
| 16:34.13 | tarzeau | kiosk: delete the user |
| 16:34.23 | tarzeau | kiosk: or delete gnome calculator |
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| 16:34.35 | jepagodo | where do i find xorg.conf? |
| 16:34.41 | tarzeau | jepagodo: you can't |
| 16:34.44 | kiosk | tarzeau, good solution. |
| 16:34.47 | thomas_adam | kiosk: I did say it isn't easy -- it's somewhat "easier" in FVWM, mind. |
| 16:34.49 | mwilson | Nowhere, of course. Debian does not use Xorg. |
| 16:34.59 | kevin_ | trying to install cmedia drivers |
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| 16:35.10 | tarzeau | kiosk: it's the right UNIX way of solution |
| 16:35.15 | rking | jepagodo: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is where you want to look, probably |
| 16:35.31 | Spec | hehe, this is funny |
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| 16:35.48 | Spec | Most of the responses recently have been "you can't; sit in a corner and mope." |
| 16:35.49 | adobbie | kiosk: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 16:36.36 | kiosk | thomas_adam, I guess right now wm dosn't much to do eith it. Now I am thinking about administration... I mean, when you have all this programs installed, and you add a new user, hi can use all this programs. How to reduce that list and lock it? |
| 16:36.51 | spoonman2 | FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted |
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| 16:37.01 | tarzeau | kiosk: you don't understand, do you? |
| 16:37.04 | spoonman2 | i get this while i do a modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 16:37.07 | kevin_ | how do i compile source code with supplied .c files |
| 16:37.16 | spoonman2 | im root. what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:37.18 | kiosk | tarzeau, get serious... |
| 16:37.19 | rking | kevin_: what are you trying to compile? |
| 16:37.21 | tarzeau | kiosk: i am |
| 16:37.40 | kevin_ | audio driver per instructions |
| 16:37.45 | thomas_adam | kiosk: With difficulty. |
| 16:37.53 | kiosk | thomas_adam, :) |
| 16:37.55 | Dr_O | kiosk: the old unix way is to greate a group and put all people you want to be able to run gcalc into that group then change the group ownership and permissions on gcalc so only that group can run it! |
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| 16:38.04 | adobbie | kiosk: look at stuff like RSBAC and SELinux if you want to do stuff like that |
| 16:38.04 | Mayhem | kevin_, is there a file called Makefile or makefile in the directory? |
| 16:38.04 | zinx | kiosk: make user directories and all places they can write to (/tmp, /var, /dev/shm, everywhere) noexec |
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| 16:38.12 | kevin_ | yes |
| 16:38.21 | vthiru | hey guys, can anyone tell me what program i'd use to crop a .eps file? |
| 16:38.29 | rking | kevin_: when it says "file not found" do you know which file it's complaining about? |
| 16:38.34 | Mayhem | kevin_, is there one called configure? |
| 16:38.35 | thomas_adam | vthiru: anything from imagmagick. |
| 16:38.45 | vthiru | imagemagick is command line right? |
| 16:39.04 | shingouz | vthiru: yes and no |
| 16:39.05 | Spec | kiosk: find all the binaries you want to modify, do: chmod o-rwx on them, then chown root:foobar, and chmod ug+rwx, then add the users who *SHOULD* have access to the programs to the "foobar" group |
| 16:39.21 | thomas_adam | No no... |
| 16:39.26 | kevin_ | cmaudio.c in kernel/sound/drivers folder |
| 16:39.30 | Dr_O | kiosk: you may be able to use ACL's (look at acl option to mount) to achive something better or as adobbie said RSBAC and SELinux |
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| 16:39.39 | kevin_ | no configure |
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| 16:39.41 | Mayhem | kevin_, aieeeeee |
| 16:39.44 | vthiru | can anyone recommend a gui then? |
| 16:39.49 | zinx | kiosk: that's all so they can't run their own gnome calculator, of course |
| 16:40.17 | jharrisonwk | to make an initrd image is not mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.4.27 2.4.27 the correct command? |
| 16:40.31 | rking | kevin_: cd ../..; make menuconfig |
| 16:40.40 | thomas_adam | jharrisonwk: Why do you need to make one? |
| 16:40.40 | shingouz | vthiru: the gimp is the biggest and nastiest but imagemagick can do stuff from the cli too. imagemagick is very small too for that matter |
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| 16:40.46 | jharrisonwk | thomas_adam: custom kernel |
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| 16:40.54 | thomas_adam | jharrisonwk: Then you don't need an initrd. |
| 16:40.58 | kiosk | Spec, whole lotta businnes. I have like million programs installed... |
| 16:40.59 | bodq | tarzeau: forget what? |
| 16:41.02 | Dr_O | kiosk: also remember to read the dpkg-statoverride man page to make your chgrp's and chmod's persistent across package upgrades |
| 16:41.03 | vthiru | shingouz: when i try to open the .eps, it rasterizes it |
| 16:41.06 | jharrisonwk | thomas_adam: I made the customer kernel with kernel-package |
| 16:41.07 | rking | kevin_: you have to do the kernel compile from the top dir - if you were to build the audio module you wanted, the kernel still wouldn't know how to link it in |
| 16:41.10 | Spec | kiosk: okay, i'm glad i'm not in your situation :p |
| 16:41.11 | kevin_ | rking_: to which directory? |
| 16:41.12 | vthiru | can't i keep it vector? |
| 16:41.16 | rking | kevin_: is the stock debian kernel-image not good? |
| 16:41.18 | thomas_adam | jharrisonwk: That still does not mean you need an initrd. |
| 16:41.21 | jharrisonwk | thomas_adam: and also with the config from the debian kernel |
| 16:41.27 | bodq | tarzeau: i think I am lagged, so I kind of lost the sence of the conversation |
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| 16:41.29 | Spec | kiosk: it's not hard to process a whole bunch of files at once, read up on xargs |
| 16:41.30 | rking | kevin_: to the top of your kernel source... say, /usr/src/kernel-image-2.8.6/ |
| 16:41.35 | shingouz | vthiru: probably not, i havent looked into it |
| 16:41.40 | Trewas | vthiru: you can also edit BoundingBox directly in the .eps file with any text editor, imagemagick and gimp probably convert it into pixmap |
| 16:41.51 | kiosk | Dr_O, thanks... |
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| 16:41.57 | tarzeau | bodq: whatever you wanted to do, i forgot |
| 16:42.07 | vthiru | Trewas: okay.. |
| 16:42.09 | jharrisonwk | thomas_adam: all I did was download the sources and use the debian config and make one change for bigmem from 4G to 64G and make new .deb with kernel-package |
| 16:42.19 | jharrisonwk | thomas_adam: and I do need an initrd image |
| 16:42.21 | kiosk | thak you all.... |
| 16:42.23 | Spec | Dr_O: woah, i didn't know you could preserve permissions on package upgrades |
| 16:42.24 | tarzeau | bodq: or it was not for you because my tab completion can't read mind |
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| 16:42.39 | Dr_O | That is why debian package system rocks!!! |
| 16:42.47 | tarzeau | Dr_O: partly |
| 16:43.00 | tarzeau | Dr_O: i'd like to be able to install .deb's as user , anywhere |
| 16:43.00 | denis | how to install Knoppix 3.7 on hard disk? |
| 16:43.06 | tarzeau | Dr_O: and run them , without patching them |
| 16:43.09 | Spec | denis: this is #debian |
| 16:43.09 | _joey | denis mother fucker |
| 16:43.12 | shingouz | denis: #knoppix |
| 16:43.13 | tarzeau | denis: WRONG QUESTION |
| 16:43.14 | Spec | denis: not #knoppix |
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| 16:43.16 | tarzeau | _joey: that was rude |
| 16:43.20 | _joey | :) |
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| 16:43.24 | gnat_x | what is the recommended tool for determining the size of a hard drive? |
| 16:43.27 | _joey | that was nicely said |
| 16:43.27 | Dr_O | tarzeau: I'd like the moon on a stick... but hey! |
| 16:43.28 | Spec | df -h |
| 16:43.38 | tarzeau | _joey: maybe for bash.org |
| 16:43.49 | Xuse | tarzeau send me a network card =( |
| 16:43.49 | debnow | a ruler |
| 16:43.51 | Spec | Dr_O: what man page do i want to read on permissions+dpkg? |
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| 16:44.00 | grigora | anyone knows the difference between ghostscript and ghostscript-afpl? |
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| 16:44.04 | Master-Yoda | hello my freinds |
| 16:44.14 | Master-Yoda | im in config for debian on my shell for my dedicated server |
| 16:44.21 | Spec | Yooodaaa, why oh dee aye, yooodaa... |
| 16:44.21 | Dr_O | Spec: man dpkg-statoverride |
| 16:44.24 | Master-Yoda | i have to choose a interface for debconfs |
| 16:44.30 | gnat_x | Spec: my worry with using df is that there are non mounted, non-used parittions, but i'm not sure. |
| 16:44.32 | Master-Yoda | which do you recommend |
| 16:44.38 | Mayhem | Xuse, what motherboard do you have? |
| 16:44.39 | shingouz | readline |
| 16:44.41 | bodq | how would I make libwxgtk2.4-python use GTK2 ? [repost] |
| 16:44.44 | Spec | gnat_x: fdisk -l |
| 16:44.44 | Master-Yoda | id like to use kde but i dont think it wokrs with ssh :P |
| 16:44.53 | Spec | kde doesn't work with ssh? |
| 16:44.57 | Dr_O | Spec: also you know about dpkg-divert if you need to wrapper a program? |
| 16:44.58 | gnat_x | Spec: thanks. |
| 16:44.59 | Master-Yoda | does it! |
| 16:45.04 | Xuse | some asus thing |
| 16:45.05 | jharrisonwk | when I run mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.4.27 2.4.27 there is no initrd image created |
| 16:45.06 | shingouz | Master-Yoda: the lightest you can find, just a readline, maybe ncurses |
| 16:45.08 | Master-Yoda | i can have a kde desktop on ssh? |
| 16:45.09 | jharrisonwk | why not I do not know |
| 16:45.11 | Spec | Dr_O: what do you mean by wrapper a program? |
| 16:45.18 | Xuse | A8N-E or something |
| 16:45.40 | coruptkid | should i put my swap area on the second drive or create a swap area on the first and second drives? |
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| 16:45.55 | Mayhem | Xuse, and the installer won't find your nforce ethernet card? |
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| 16:46.02 | Xuse | nope |
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| 16:46.10 | Master-Yoda | no wait: can i have a kde desktop on my dedi server using only shh? |
| 16:46.11 | kevin_ | Mayhem_: any suggestions |
| 16:46.13 | Master-Yoda | ssh* |
| 16:46.17 | shingouz | coruptkid: whatever is good for you, pick a fast disk in anycase or make swap on all drives, linux can handle that |
| 16:46.20 | Xuse | net install gives me a dhcp error |
| 16:46.28 | Mayhem | kevin_, what was the question again? |
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| 16:46.46 | Spec | Master-Yoda: ssh and kde are very different programs |
| 16:46.46 | shingouz | Master-Yoda: yes you can but that is too heavy imho |
| 16:46.46 | coruptkid | shingouz: tnx |
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| 16:46.50 | Mayhem | Xuse, but you have an ethernet device detected? dmesg? ifconfig -a? |
| 16:46.52 | Dr_O | Spec: say a user wants to type "foo" to run a program but you want to copy a file into their home directory the first time they run it... you move foo to foo.real and make a shell script to copy the file then run foo.real. You call the shell script foo so you don't have to educate the user! |
| 16:46.57 | kevin_ | trying to install audio with Makefile and .c files |
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| 16:47.14 | Spec | Dr_O: ah |
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| 16:47.20 | Mayhem | kevin_, do you actually need to do it this way? is the driver not already available in your kernel? |
| 16:47.26 | jepagodo | i can't type "@", how do i fix it? |
| 16:47.27 | shingouz | kevin_: why not just grab the stuff off the debian mirrors and save yourself from the compile |
| 16:47.31 | Spec | Dr_O: that'd be good for copying over config files for...icewm :p |
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| 16:47.58 | Xuse | I don't know, i'll go check in a min. |
| 16:48.04 | kevin_ | where do i find them and are there instructions |
| 16:48.15 | Xuse | and that's the motherboard btw http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=14268 |
| 16:48.18 | shingouz | kevin_: what kernel you have there now? |
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| 16:48.23 | Mayhem | kevin_, what sound card? |
| 16:48.23 | Dr_O | Spec: Of course the best thing is to compile/configure the system not to need a file in the users directory.. but sometimes one has to do the "hasky" thing to get the job done!!! |
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| 16:48.50 | Dr_O | Spec: s/hasky/hacky |
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| 16:49.21 | kevin_ | 2.4.27-2 |
| 16:49.26 | Xuse | brb |
| 16:49.48 | kevin_ | testing install |
| 16:49.53 | Master-Yoda | no wait: can i have a kde desktop on my dedi server using only ssh? |
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| 16:50.32 | coruptkid | Do I need to install grub or lilo if i am only installing Debian on the server? can the MBR not load debian directly?? |
| 16:50.39 | kevin_ | Mayhem_: o/b cmedia 9739 |
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| 16:50.46 | shingouz | kevin_: either go to a kernel 2.6 or get the alsamodules for that kernel, install alsa-base and alsa-utils, run alsaconf and the sound should be there unless you have some real exotic hardware |
| 16:50.57 | HazMatt | I have a question about installing packages - Is this the right place to ask? |
| 16:51.07 | thomas_adam | HazMatt: Sure. |
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| 16:51.25 | ruru | cormstar, yes, you must install grub or lilo |
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| 16:51.38 | Mayhem | kevin_, I'd second the recommendation for kernel 2.6 |
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| 16:52.16 | kevin_ | how do i go to kernel 2.6? |
| 16:52.24 | HazMatt | how do you force an install? The package I want to install is dependent on an older version of another installed package and apt-get won't do it. |
| 16:52.37 | kevin_ | new to linux, sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:52.45 | rking | can someone with a running kernel-image & sound show me the output of their lsmod | grep '^snd ' |
| 16:53.03 | shingouz | !tell kevin_ about 2.6 |
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| 16:53.24 | jetscreamer | man dpkg comes to mind |
| 16:53.26 | Master-Yoda | ok, im upgrading debian woody to sarge, im really noob at some things do i want to stop upgrade of glibc or no? |
| 16:53.27 | ruru | rking, snd 53860 16 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_ymfpci,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_timer,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device |
| 16:53.35 | mwilson | HazMatt: You don't, of course. |
| 16:53.36 | polm | I am trying to burn cd's using CDRToaster. I have a burned installed at /dev/hdd. I can burn via ATAPI, but I would like to be able to burn with SCSI Generic support. I have installed the SG, and IDE-SCSI modules but I cannot get a "/dev/sg0". Could this have soemthing to do with UDEV being installed ? |
| 16:53.36 | rking | ruru: thanks |
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| 16:53.50 | jetscreamer | but mwilson has the right idea |
| 16:54.02 | jetscreamer | udev is your master |
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| 16:54.17 | jetscreamer | let freedom ring |
| 16:54.21 | petzsch | sorry if it was said before... but http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story48714.html points out that sarge is aviable!!!! |
| 16:54.28 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 16:54.37 | jetscreamer | sarge died, killed by bfg |
| 16:54.42 | HazMatt | I'm assuming that the newer version is going to work fine. |
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| 16:55.02 | HazMatt | or do I need to downgrade the other packare? |
| 16:55.06 | polm | Which modules are required to generate /dev/sg0 ? |
| 16:55.07 | HazMatt | package.. |
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| 16:55.11 | Mayhem | petzsch, sarge has been available for years, just not released :) |
| 16:55.15 | kevin_ | gtg will try alsa option. thanx for all the help |
| 16:55.24 | Mayhem | kevin_, good luck |
| 16:55.27 | benjamindees | "production of the commodity meant for home production, be it wheat or marijuana, has a substantial effect on supply and demand in the national market for that commodity." |
| 16:55.28 | petzsch | but it's about the official linux isos |
| 16:55.32 | jetscreamer | udev is your god |
| 16:55.37 | thomas_adam | polm: makedev sg |
| 16:55.43 | petzsch | like: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian/3.1_r0/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-31r0-i386-binary-5.jigdo |
| 16:56.00 | JEisen83 | I use my debian box as a router for my home network. Apparently, sometime this morning, there were network problems. I didn't set up explicit logging anywhere. Is there a standard log that might show what may have happened so I can maybe look into preventing it from happening again? |
| 16:56.16 | thomas_adam | JEisen83: /var/log/messages, perhaps. |
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| 16:56.53 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: we'll play later, in 2-3 hours |
| 16:56.59 | HazMatt | was udev a suggestion for me? |
| 16:57.05 | HazMatt | sorry, I lost track |
| 16:57.28 | JEisen83 | thomas_adam: Nope... ah well, I figure it was just a hiccup. I got home and everything was working fine. |
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| 16:58.27 | polm | thomas_adam: will those sgX entries stay, or will they dissapear when I reboot ? |
| 16:58.31 | Xuse | mayhem it seems detected it just doesn't work.. |
| 16:58.44 | thomas_adam | polm: Are you using a static /dev ? |
| 16:58.50 | jetscreamer | lose udev |
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| 16:59.07 | polm | thomas_adam: I'm using udev, so I don't think so. |
| 16:59.11 | rking | dang. my snd-dependent modules are exactly the same as Mayhem's and ruru's - with the exception of theirs being intel8x0 and mine via82xx my problem is that i don't get a "No such device" error, but I don't get data. |
| 16:59.12 | thomas_adam | Pffft. |
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| 16:59.26 | HazMatt | mwilson: do you have any ideas? |
| 16:59.29 | Mayhem | Xuse, what driver is it using? |
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| 17:00.04 | mwilson | Suggestion for what? |
| 17:00.20 | ruru | rking, try to run alsamixer ? |
| 17:00.20 | HazMatt | how to get my package installed |
| 17:00.25 | Xuse | oh look http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/04/msg00369.html guessit doesn't work after all |
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| 17:01.02 | rking | ruru: i'm in it - master vol is on & not muted, so is PCM Center CD Mic... some others |
| 17:01.11 | polm | Whats so bad about udev ? Isn't there a way to get udev to create the sgX entries I need automatically ? |
| 17:01.13 | jetscreamer | HazMatt: chose another package |
| 17:01.36 | jetscreamer | polm: maybe nothing, but it's easier for me not to mess with it |
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| 17:01.58 | mwilson | What's so *good* about udev? |
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| 17:02.05 | ruru | rking, do you plug audio line in correct place... |
| 17:02.09 | thomas_adam | dick-waving contests. |
| 17:02.11 | Mayhem | Xuse, I'm sure I've installed onto an nforce4 motherboard and had ok networking... |
| 17:02.15 | elephant | Hi all |
| 17:02.17 | Maliuta | anyone got experience with a canon lide500f scanner under linux? |
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| 17:02.29 | jepagodo | where do i change the fluxbox-menu? |
| 17:02.31 | elephant | What can make ImageMagick write dirty text using special fonts ? |
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| 17:02.51 | elephant | The command write clean text on my debian - but dirty on my redhat pub server |
| 17:03.00 | jpeg | jepagodo: ~/.fluxbox/menu |
| 17:03.01 | egg|hitchhiker | .what troll |
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| 17:03.05 | chris24 | is there any way i can get a command to run repeatedly at intervals (similar behaviour to top)? i'm wanting to get a regular df update |
| 17:03.14 | Xuse | Mayhem maybe i'll just download the dvd, and if i run into problems after install i'll download the driver on my sisters comp. |
| 17:03.18 | elephant | please dont answer i should install debian instead of redhad :) |
| 17:03.19 | Mayhem | Maliuta, I've got a lide30 that works |
| 17:03.20 | Xenguy | chris24: watch ? |
| 17:03.27 | rking | ruru: just checked that! haha! wheeeeeeeeee... ok, i have one of those towers with plugins in the front (this is a new component box i'm setting up), and it has these cords that run out the back, through a card slot, and back into the onboard sound. Well, the headphones were plugged into the wrong one - audio out |
| 17:03.30 | chris24 | Xenguy, never heard of watch, what does it do? |
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| 17:03.37 | shingouz | elephant: how the hell would we know what is wrong with redhat? |
| 17:03.41 | Xenguy | chris24: man watch |
| 17:03.53 | chris24 | hmm |
| 17:03.53 | chris24 | ok |
| 17:03.58 | jepagodo | i can't type "@", how do i fix it? |
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| 17:04.04 | elephant | shingouz: its not a redhat issue but an ImageMagick issue |
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| 17:04.07 | lewis | thomas_adam: see anything wrong with this motherboard, to replace a broken motherboard in a 1U case. |
| 17:04.13 | jelly | Hi, is there a way to make a dial-in getty automatically run a program without prompting for a username? |
| 17:04.14 | lewis | thomas_adam: http://tw.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_Spec_8I845GVM-RZ.htm# |
| 17:04.15 | Maliuta | chris24: have you thought of a do while loop in shell? with a sleep cmd of course |
| 17:04.24 | thomas_adam | lewis: What am I looking for? |
| 17:04.29 | elephant | Like what component could cause the text to be written dirty |
| 17:04.35 | chris24 | Xenguy, you rock! |
| 17:04.36 | shingouz | elephant: this is not #imagemagick or #redhat. wrong place in other words |
| 17:04.46 | chris24 | thanks so much for the tip, watch is my new best friend :0 |
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| 17:05.00 | egg|hitchhiker | dirty? |
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| 17:05.09 | shingouz | elephant: we do not know what the versions are, we do not know what deadrat has done to the imagemagick... do i have to go on? |
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| 17:05.24 | lewis | thomas_adam: not sure - perhaps something wrong, or that won't work with debian (perhaps the realtek ethernet) |
| 17:05.36 | lewis | thomas_adam: was just after the thomas adam seal of approval |
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| 17:05.39 | thomas_adam | lewis: realtek work fine. |
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| 17:05.45 | thomas_adam | lewis: Pffft. |
| 17:05.48 | lewis | :P |
| 17:05.53 | shingouz | elephant: i am not saying that we do not support it, i say that we are unable to support it as we simply do now know what is wrong there. #redhat |
| 17:05.58 | egg|hitchhiker | v(^^)v |
| 17:05.59 | Mayhem | Xuse, did you have to do 'modprobe forcedeth'? |
| 17:06.10 | elephant | shingouz: the imagick chan doesn't exist |
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| 17:06.19 | egg|hitchhiker | ... v(^^)v |
| 17:06.21 | Xuse | Mayhem i never did that.. |
| 17:06.35 | lewis | it only costs £30, so buying it now from scan.co.uk |
| 17:06.43 | shingouz | elephant: #redhat then or whatever. i do not know, do your own homework |
| 17:06.43 | thomas_adam | lewis: Give it a go, and see. |
| 17:06.45 | Mayhem | Xuse, was it autodetecting a driver? |
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| 17:06.54 | egg|hitchhiker | too expensive |
| 17:07.14 | Xuse | No i don't think so. |
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| 17:07.32 | egg|hitchhiker | must be below $10 |
| 17:07.51 | masoft | egg|hitchhiker, what must be under $10 ? |
| 17:07.59 | egg|hitchhiker | realtek |
| 17:08.04 | adobbie | almost done DVD 1 -> Found 4227 of the 6728 files required by the template |
| 17:08.05 | PeTeRB | !meepsmite PeTeRB's ISP |
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| 17:08.23 | masoft | egg|hitchhiker, realtek ? which product ? Lan card ? |
| 17:08.30 | egg|hitchhiker | umm |
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| 17:08.45 | elephant | shingouz: u should open the window and take a breath |
| 17:08.45 | egg|hitchhiker | mine is $5 |
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| 17:08.58 | egg|hitchhiker | USD |
| 17:08.59 | masoft | egg|hitchhiker, if it's expensive, buy a cheaper. like D-Link |
| 17:09.01 | Petaris | Can someone help me trouble shoot a hybserv issue? |
| 17:09.11 | shingouz | elephant: and you should try calling 1-800-clues-r-us |
| 17:09.14 | thomas_adam | Petaris: Don't ask to ask. |
| 17:09.15 | egg|hitchhiker | oh no |
| 17:09.34 | masoft | shingouz, how someone can call characters with tel ? |
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| 17:09.43 | joeljkp | does anyone know of a forum site that lets you rate individual posts? |
| 17:09.49 | shingouz | masoft: huh? |
| 17:10.04 | thomas_adam | joeljkp: WTF? Why? |
| 17:10.04 | egg|hitchhiker | anything other than linksys is good |
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| 17:10.08 | adobbie | joeljkp: you want the software? |
| 17:10.14 | Spec | joeljkp: what, like urbandictionary? |
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| 17:10.24 | masoft | shingouz, really don't know ! in Dubai I think it's not possible |
| 17:10.32 | joeljkp | adobbie: no, looking for a site that has that feature enabled (like SWG forums used to) |
| 17:10.40 | joeljkp | spec: like a phpbb or vbulletin forum |
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| 17:11.07 | egg|hitchhiker | watch this -> http://gpl-violations.org/ |
| 17:11.10 | shingouz | masoft: do you have a cellphone? check the keys on it. 2 = a,b,c; 3 = d,e,f and so on |
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| 17:11.17 | egg|hitchhiker | sick |
| 17:11.19 | fueL\ | c'mon sarge... been waitin all day :( |
| 17:11.22 | joeljkp | thomas_adam: like slashdot, but a forum site |
| 17:11.31 | jasoncohen | apparently that site is correct. 3.1r0 is available on the debian mirrors (netinstall, business card, 14 cd set, and DVD set) |
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| 17:11.45 | jasoncohen | oh and bittorrent & jigdo |
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| 17:12.09 | adobbie | isn't Debian 3.1 released now? what about the channel topic? |
| 17:12.11 | petzsch | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/ |
| 17:12.16 | masoft | shingouz, I can't write characters when I want call ! |
| 17:12.24 | petzsch | did woody start of with r0 or could it still be a prebuild? |
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| 17:12.48 | jasoncohen | petzsch, woody started out as r0. http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Debian_GNULinux_3.0R0_available_s14184.html |
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| 17:13.06 | shingouz | masoft: well.. you just hit those buttons, it is kinda like a code, helps you remember the number. |
| 17:13.23 | fueL\ | debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent - FileInfo: Debian CD torrent from cdimage.debian.org, built at Sun Jun 5 23:42:36 UTC 2005 |
| 17:13.23 | egg|hitchhiker | sid->sarge->woody.... long long time |
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| 17:13.36 | petzsch | debian sarge is out..... WWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEELLLLLL (sorry for the flood) |
| 17:13.37 | shingouz | masoft: as in when you see an "a" in the number you should dial you hit "a" = 2 |
| 17:13.44 | alvanson | yays |
| 17:13.46 | egg|hitchhiker | woody + backport ^_^ |
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| 17:13.52 | egg|hitchhiker | stable |
| 17:14.08 | jeff88 | kind of an odd question, but does anyone know of a Dell parts supplier other than dell? |
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| 17:14.42 | egg|hitchhiker | jeff88: very hard |
| 17:14.53 | jeff88 | egg|hitchhiker: ? |
| 17:15.01 | masoft | shingouz, and for b I must write 22 ? heh :P thx |
| 17:15.17 | shingouz | masoft: no, for b you hit 2 also |
| 17:15.23 | egg|hitchhiker | jeff88: because they want to make money... |
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| 17:15.41 | egg|hitchhiker | no way to upgrade = $$$ |
| 17:15.43 | jeff88 | egg|hitchhiker: the sad part is that they dont even have the part themselves. they told me to call every couple of weeks |
| 17:15.46 | shingouz | masoft: c is the same 2. for d, e or f you hit 3 once |
| 17:15.52 | rking | i'm happy with skype - compared to paying for long distance - but is there a freer voip option? |
| 17:15.56 | ptlis | Anybody else having problems with the X upgrade this morning on Sarge? |
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| 17:16.08 | ptlis | seems to be fairly unstable :/ |
| 17:16.25 | alvanson | I guess they're just not announcing sarge because they want the mirrors to get it first ;P |
| 17:16.29 | rking | ptlis: ooh.. no, i didn't upgrade this morning - i'll stay away for now though |
| 17:16.33 | masoft | shingouz, I understood ;) thx |
| 17:16.43 | shingouz | masoft: np :) |
| 17:16.57 | egg|hitchhiker | jeff88: how about ----- self-blend computer? |
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| 17:17.11 | ptlis | rking: Very good idea >< |
| 17:17.22 | jeff88 | egg|hitchhiker: mini tower, and the motherboard is a dell made one that wont fit anywhere but that tower |
| 17:17.25 | netzwurm | rking: for uk and de there's sipgate which is supported by kphone. |
| 17:17.26 | rking | ptlis: what happened to you? |
| 17:17.40 | egg|hitchhiker | jeff88: change MB |
| 17:17.52 | jeff88 | $$$ |
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| 17:17.57 | jeff88 | egg|hitchhiker: $$ |
| 17:18.01 | ptlis | rking: X just dies and dumps me at the CLI, I have to manually stop and start gdm to get it up and running again. |
| 17:18.10 | egg|hitchhiker | find it from trashcan |
| 17:18.23 | rking | netzwurm: i'll check it out - i'm in us, but i can probably get kphone set up talking to something. |
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| 17:18.42 | PeTeRB | ptlis: Nothing in logs? |
| 17:18.45 | geemark | anyone that can recommend a place to find dual-screen debian/coding/geeky desktops? :D |
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| 17:19.01 | Burbas | How do I update my apt-get portage? |
| 17:19.01 | rking | ptlis: what does /var/log/XFree86.0.log (and maybe /var/log/gdm.0.log) say? |
| 17:19.08 | netzwurm | rking: yes. there should be an us provider as-well. |
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| 17:19.21 | PeTeRB | Burbas: Portage? |
| 17:19.34 | ptlis | Any idea what i'm looking for here? |
| 17:19.50 | egg|hitchhiker | portage on debian @_@ |
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| 17:19.56 | evilmeow | WHAT |
| 17:20.00 | evilmeow | BLASPHEMY |
| 17:20.01 | spiral | hello |
| 17:20.03 | Burbas | Okay. Not portage but update the package :) |
| 17:20.03 | egg|hitchhiker | WTF dude |
| 17:20.05 | PeTeRB | ptlis: EE lines |
| 17:20.09 | JVaughn | what's wrong with portgage ? |
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| 17:20.18 | JVaughn | portage rather |
| 17:20.35 | PeTeRB | JVaughn: Ever seen an apt-get portage in Debian? |
| 17:20.42 | egg|hitchhiker | $emerge apt-get |
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| 17:20.48 | egg|hitchhiker | !@#%^^&& |
| 17:20.50 | debnow | hey! today is june 6! woohoo!!! when will--oh wait, nev mind |
| 17:20.51 | alvanson | my virgin eyes! |
| 17:20.55 | JVaughn | nope, I'm no9t crazy enough to run portage under debian :) |
| 17:21.01 | jasoncohen | Burbas, are you trying to upgrade one package or the entire system? |
| 17:21.14 | rikva | debnow: hehe |
| 17:21.14 | egg|hitchhiker | 6/6 <- good number |
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| 17:21.27 | egg|hitchhiker | I prefer 4/4 |
| 17:21.31 | Dr_O | Hi there... How can I make dpkg unlearn somthing? I'm trying to re-educate dpkg about "release notes" for the imminet sarge! |
| 17:22.18 | benjamindees | so why does this site that doesn't appear on the official mirrors list appear to have all the sarge cds? |
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| 17:22.45 | quitte | Dr_O forget topic |
| 17:22.49 | benjamindees | Dr_O, no, <blah> is <blah> |
| 17:23.05 | Mayhem | benjamindees, what, you mean cdimage.d.o? |
| 17:23.09 | ptlis | I see no EE lines, but there is "Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting" |
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| 17:23.29 | ptlis | That's the last thing in /var/log/XFree86.0.log.old |
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| 17:23.31 | silverton | hmm... "target release date" is no longer in the topic =/ |
| 17:23.33 | pipeline | ptlis: Signal 11 is usually a sign of a hardware problem IIRC |
| 17:23.34 | ptlis | No EE lines in /var/log/XFree86.0.log either. |
| 17:23.35 | Dr_O | I seem to remember some dicussion on the debin-cd list about having some "disposable" mirrors to survive the initial rush after the sarge release |
| 17:23.44 | pipeline | ptlis: Signal 11 is sent by the OS to the process |
| 17:23.45 | benjamindees | Mayhem, no... |
| 17:23.47 | ptlis | I really hope not :/ |
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| 17:24.05 | pipeline | ptlis: It's not an error originating in the X server, anyway. It's probably a hardware and/or driver problem. What are you using? |
| 17:24.11 | PeTeRB | ptlis: IIRC that was a segfault |
| 17:24.19 | ptlis | Seems like too much of a coincidence that X updated this morning and that's when the problems started manifesting... |
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| 17:24.42 | und0 | Dr_O: maybe, suggesting the torrent (but i don't know if the tracker can survive =) |
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| 17:24.45 | pipeline | ptlis: Have you tried forcibly installing the old x package from /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
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| 17:25.19 | und0 | ptlis: have you checked if your HD is full? |
| 17:25.29 | ptlis | pipeline: I have not, could you please descibe how I would do so? |
| 17:25.37 | ptlis | und0: How would I do that? |
| 17:25.39 | Nolius_ | hello, how many time does it takes for a software in the Requested packages List to become a package? |
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| 17:25.45 | und0 | ptlis: df -h |
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| 17:26.16 | ptlis | und0: None of the partitions are near being full. |
| 17:26.19 | mops | how can I export single key with gpg? |
| 17:26.23 | pipeline | ptlis: No offence, but if you don't know how to use dpkg off the top of your head, it's probably not a good idea. |
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| 17:26.41 | SEPhiroTH | lol |
| 17:26.43 | mops | because gpg --export exports only whole keyring |
| 17:26.44 | cuti | can someone help me with alsa, I dont have voice |
| 17:26.46 | cuti | :( |
| 17:26.53 | Mayhem | benjamindees, they may be the same machine... |
| 17:26.57 | appaji | cuti: did you alsaconf? |
| 17:26.57 | trygvebw | Is the servers very slow atm? Since Sarge has been released to the mirrors, i mean.. |
| 17:27.02 | ptlis | pipeline: That's fair enough, i've been using only Debian for only a month or so... |
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| 17:27.21 | cuti | appaji, nope |
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| 17:27.28 | ptlis | Is there somewhere where I can read up on dpkg? |
| 17:27.33 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 17:27.36 | shingouz | trygvebw: they may be hit pretty hard at the moment if the word has gotten out already |
| 17:27.44 | trygvebw | shingouz, it's at OSNews ;) |
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| 17:27.50 | appaji | cuti: do that, run alsaconf to configure your sound and then use alasmixer to set the volume etc. |
| 17:27.50 | trygvebw | i'll wait till later |
| 17:27.52 | pipeline | OH JESUS CHRIST |
| 17:27.54 | pipeline | It's true |
| 17:27.58 | pipeline | Apple PPC -> Intel |
| 17:27.59 | Master-Yoda | how do i install bzip with aptget like does anyone know the exact package name? |
| 17:28.00 | shingouz | trygvebw: i guess the word is out then |
| 17:28.01 | ptlis | >_> I meant more of a generalised text than it's man page. |
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| 17:28.03 | trygvebw | pipeline, where? |
| 17:28.04 | Master-Yoda | i cant seem to find it |
| 17:28.05 | benjamindees | Mayhem, okay, same netblock at least |
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| 17:28.19 | pipeline | trygvebw: some anonymous fag on the ars IRC is typing up the keynote in realtime. |
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| 17:28.23 | Mayhem | benjamindees, yeah. might be another local mirror for redundancy/load |
| 17:28.23 | dippo | Master-Yoda: bzip2 |
| 17:28.33 | appaji | Master-Yoda: it shoud be bzip2 or something, why don't you apt-cache search? |
| 17:28.33 | dippo | apt-cache search bzip, for future reference |
| 17:28.34 | trygvebw | pipeline, huh? |
| 17:28.38 | Master-Yoda | i get a huge error Dippo when i type that |
| 17:28.55 | cuti | appji i have soundblaster 5.1, which one do i use, emu10k1 , intel8x0 and legacy they say following cards are found on my system |
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| 17:29.13 | Master-Yoda | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_testing_updates_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 17:29.18 | Mayhem | pipeline, evidence please |
| 17:29.25 | trygvebw | pipeline, evidence :P |
| 17:29.40 | shingouz | Master-Yoda: you need to do something about the sources.list |
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| 17:29.54 | dondelelcaro | Master-Yoda: yes, testing security is dissapearing as testing becomes etch. replace testing with sarge. |
| 17:30.06 | rob_lt | cuti: I'm pretty sure it's the emu10k1 for the sb |
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| 17:30.17 | cuti | oh |
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| 17:31.02 | pipeline | Mayhem, trygvebw : http://pastebin.ca/13576 |
| 17:31.07 | rob_lt | pipeline: the only thing is they haven't said if intel will be making some for of PPC for apple, or if apple is actually going to go to the x86 architecture. |
| 17:31.16 | pipeline | rob_lt: Read the paste. |
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| 17:31.23 | sdb__ | I think you sometimes get machines with intel8x0 audio that isn't hooked up to anything, does that sound right? |
| 17:31.27 | pipeline | rob_lt: Assuming this guy isn't making it up as he types, they're explicitly moving to x86. |
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| 17:31.39 | kerneld | pipeline sounds like a pipedream. Heh. There were rumors ages back that Nvidia was helping dev of graphics libs for x86 Aqua etc.. |
| 17:31.45 | _joey | One day we shall order all Apple Mac users to install linux on their boxes |
| 17:31.47 | shingouz | this is something i have been pondering on lately: now that sarge is out and sid became etch, did experimental magically become sid or do the packages just trickle off experimental to sid? |
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| 17:31.57 | jasoncohen | 3.1r0 is also on the official mirrors. http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/ |
| 17:32.01 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: sid has not become etch. |
| 17:32.16 | trygvebw | pipeline, they CAN'T be moving to x86... If they're moving to an Intel arch, they're moving to x86-64. |
| 17:32.17 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: and no, packages do not magically migrate out of experimental. |
| 17:32.18 | pipeline | kerneld: Pipe dream? It's moronic. And it's not OSX for your IBM PC compatible, it's just the same overpriced shit with x86 processors. |
| 17:32.23 | zinx | shingouz: sid is sid. |
| 17:32.25 | pipeline | trygvebw: Because the distinction matters at all? |
| 17:32.28 | cuti | hey man, i still don't have sound :( |
| 17:32.35 | cuti | i did alsaconf and aumixer |
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| 17:32.37 | trygvebw | pipeline, what do you mean? |
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| 17:32.47 | alvanson | pipeline: or they could just get Intel to make PPC chips |
| 17:32.54 | pipeline | alvanson: Read the goddamn paste. They're not doing that. |
| 17:32.59 | Master-Yoda | this is my sources.list http://pastebin.ca/13577 |
| 17:33.02 | pipeline | alvanson: The keynote, right now, is running on an x86 Apple. |
| 17:33.05 | Master-Yoda | is there anything wrong wit it? |
| 17:33.07 | alvanson | hmm |
| 17:33.07 | zOap | what is the whois command on freenode? |
| 17:33.12 | quitte | pipeline maybe mol will work on x86 to let osx run on x86 |
| 17:33.18 | Mayhem | heh |
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| 17:33.31 | Dr_O | shingouz: at the moment sarge was frozen (completely) etch and sarge (and testing) were identical... testing gets a new codename (etch) and sid remains as unstable. experimantal stays as experimental! |
| 17:33.34 | jasoncohen | http://us.cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/ as well |
| 17:33.35 | dondelelcaro | Master-Yoda: yes, testing security is dissapearing as testing becomes etch. replace testing with sarge. |
| 17:33.35 | trygvebw | quitte, pearpc ;) |
| 17:33.37 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: ok. i knew that sid is sid but i thought that experimental moved straight to unstable and what used to be unstable moved to testing. so i have no reason to panic then |
| 17:33.38 | alvanson | hmm |
| 17:33.40 | JohnnyST | When is the release? |
| 17:33.42 | alvanson | pipeline: sorry |
| 17:33.48 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: no. |
| 17:33.49 | Master-Yoda | k |
| 17:33.54 | shingouz | hehe |
| 17:33.57 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: the testing scripts propogate thing to testing as usual. |
| 17:33.59 | cuti | /etc/init.d/alsa start |
| 17:33.59 | quitte | trygvebw: that is slow and sucks. with mol i didnt feel a difference in speed |
| 17:33.59 | cuti | Setting up ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'No state is present for card Live'. done. |
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| 17:34.09 | trygvebw | quitte, you're right, but at least it runs ;) |
| 17:34.18 | quitte | ok it soesnt suck. it is just very slow |
| 17:34.22 | cuti | do i have to reboot my computer for alsa to work? |
| 17:34.24 | pipeline | alvanson: http://pastebin.ca/13578 |
| 17:34.29 | jasoncohen | so, testing will no longer get security updates? |
| 17:34.37 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: so it takes a while until testing will become really different from stable then i take it |
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| 17:34.46 | zOap | cuti, reboot? reboot linux?:D |
| 17:35.00 | trygvebw | pipeline, are you sure? |
| 17:35.02 | abrotman | shingouz: until they unfreeze testing |
| 17:35.11 | cuti | :) |
| 17:35.13 | Master-Yoda | can anyone give me a fresh copy of sources.list |
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| 17:35.33 | abrotman | Master-Yoda: apt-setup |
| 17:35.39 | quitte | abrotman: testing isn't unfreezed at once after the sarge release? |
| 17:35.40 | Dr_O | JohnnyST: work in the background is happening today to make it happen... We expect formal announcement later today or tomorrow... But untill there is an anouncement on debian-annonce mailing list all bets are off!!! |
| 17:35.47 | abrotman | quitte: not immediately |
| 17:35.50 | pipeline | trygvebw: No, this guy could NOT be at the keynote, and he's just making it up as he goes along, but somehow I doubt he's a complete fucking liar who's just taken in dozens of his friends; P |
| 17:35.52 | rob_lt | Master-Yoda: apt-setup? |
| 17:35.53 | Supaplex | all wise one google you know sources.list tell you also |
| 17:35.55 | shingouz | ok, i see now. just had to ask as this its the first time i have actually been using anything else than stable when a new stable has been released. when potato came out i was on stable all the time |
| 17:35.55 | MrKeuner | http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10762 osnews thinks that sarge has been released |
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| 17:36.03 | trygvebw | pipeline, :P |
| 17:36.10 | shingouz | s/potato/woody |
| 17:36.15 | JohnnyST | Dr_O ok :) |
| 17:36.15 | quitte | abrotman: will it have the name etch at once? or after the unfreeze? |
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| 17:36.18 | directhex | MrKeuner, osnews always announce releases early |
| 17:36.22 | trygvebw | MrKeuner, it has been released to the mirrors, but not officially annouced. |
| 17:36.22 | BoD_SWAT | When I use 'ls' the list isn't all alphabetical... a couple of files 'stick' to the bottom. Same rwx setting, same owner/group. Anyone know what's going on? |
| 17:36.28 | binarydigit | they are prediciting the future |
| 17:36.29 | abrotman | quitte: not sure |
| 17:36.47 | Pepper | http://futurezone.orf.at/futurezone.orf?read=detail&id=267816 |
| 17:36.59 | rking | BoD_SWAT: can you post the output to http://rafb.net/paste ? |
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| 17:37.07 | SEPhiroTH | when will the ftp links link stable to sarge? |
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| 17:37.20 | abrotman | SEPhiroTH: when it's released |
| 17:37.21 | Supaplex | SEPhiroTH: never |
| 17:37.25 | Supaplex | heh |
| 17:37.31 | jasoncohen | so anyone know what's going to happen with testing security? |
| 17:37.32 | SEPhiroTH | mhhh |
| 17:37.40 | rikva | does anyone know of a app that i can use to make small movies of my desktop (to explain stuff) |
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| 17:37.46 | trygvebw | http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10765 |
| 17:37.48 | trygvebw | READ |
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| 17:37.54 | _StefaN^ | shouldnt the topic be updated? |
| 17:37.56 | naula | SEPhiroTH: [2005-06-06 15:03:31] <>>>aba<<<> naula: dinstall starts at 18:53 UTC. But - that doesn't make it visible to you, as the mirror push is later. |
| 17:37.59 | _StefaN^ | seems sarge is out already |
| 17:38.00 | strfryed | rikva, vnc2swf |
| 17:38.03 | Supaplex | !zoo |
| 17:38.03 | dpkg | i heard zoo is fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
| 17:38.36 | rikva | wtf :| |
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| 17:38.42 | abrotman | _StefaN^: it is not |
| 17:38.46 | rikva | strfryed: thx |
| 17:38.50 | abrotman | _StefaN^: no email from RM .. not out |
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| 17:38.54 | quitte | _StefaN^: no linuxland is just a bunch of idiots that keep selling stuff before it is even released and claiming stable was out. they already did that about 6 months ago |
| 17:38.55 | trygvebw | Apple is moving to x86 |
| 17:39.03 | egg|hitchhiker | so what? |
| 17:39.14 | dippo | rikva: I have a great recommendation, but give me a sec to remember the name |
| 17:39.20 | JohnnyST | hej da4n1 |
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| 17:39.27 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 17:39.29 | rikva | dippo: k :) |
| 17:39.38 | quitte | someone please add to the topic that we already herad apple is moving to x86 |
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| 17:39.52 | cinix | hehe |
| 17:39.54 | solemnwarning | i think its a joke |
| 17:39.56 | sdb__ | jasoncohen: you read it, apparently it's disappearing |
| 17:39.58 | cinix | their death sentance |
| 17:40.07 | BoD_SWAT | rking, I would do that, but I'm not fond of the idea of you seeing my entire dir-list. (nothing personal, really) Example of 'sticking' file "-rwxrwxr-x 1 username groupname 24324 Jul 2 2004 md5sum.rar" |
| 17:40.09 | alvanson | my hard drive failed :( |
| 17:40.10 | solemnwarning | ppc chips rule |
| 17:40.17 | cinix | trudat |
| 17:40.18 | naula | quitte: plah... let's just cheer, party and dance because of Sarge-release |
| 17:40.23 | egg|hitchhiker | apple -> intel and freeworld -> powerpc or transmeta,via |
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| 17:40.30 | shingouz | alvanson: i hope you have backups |
| 17:40.40 | solemnwarning | sarge is going stable branch now? |
| 17:40.40 | alvanson | shingouz: gah there was nothing of value on it |
| 17:40.47 | trygvebw | solemnwarning, yes |
| 17:40.49 | Mayhem | hey, does that mean my powerbook will start running x86 apps? ;) |
| 17:40.52 | solemnwarning | YAY :D |
| 17:40.56 | solemnwarning | !kernel |
| 17:40.58 | shingouz | alvanson: so off to the store with you then ;) |
| 17:40.58 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.11, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.12-rc5-git10, 2.4: 2.4.31, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc5-mm2 |
| 17:41.00 | solemnwarning | !kernal |
| 17:41.01 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 17:41.01 | trygvebw | solemnwarning, it has beeen released to the mirrors already |
| 17:41.02 | cinix | I would love to have a nice PPC system to run linux on. maybe I'll hit up ebay |
| 17:41.03 | trygvebw | XD |
| 17:41.03 | solemnwarning | XD |
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| 17:41.09 | xtension | !a portal |
| 17:41.17 | xtension | i travel trhough time |
| 17:41.19 | alvanson | when did the kernel start doing the x.x.x.X numbers? |
| 17:41.20 | egg|hitchhiker | nice |
| 17:41.30 | sdb__ | (afaics, there's nothing to really stop people upgrading to sarge now... less load on the mirrors anyway, that way) |
| 17:41.32 | cinix | is a torrent up of the iso's yet? |
| 17:41.35 | neoXite | how can i kill just all child processes of a process? i've read the pgrep/pkill manpage but can't get it done |
| 17:41.37 | directhex | alvanson, at 2.6.11 |
| 17:41.42 | Supaplex | alvanson: a few months ago per Linus |
| 17:41.43 | benjamindees | alvanson, when they decided not to have a devel branch |
| 17:41.46 | directhex | alvanson, though there was a 2.6.8.1 to fix a stupid typo |
| 17:41.50 | egg|hitchhiker | alvanson: kernel.org |
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| 17:41.52 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, do the rest of the files start with capitals? |
| 17:41.58 | alvanson | hmm |
| 17:42.00 | alvanson | news for me |
| 17:42.14 | alvanson | (I haven't been paying attention, btw) |
| 17:42.24 | egg|hitchhiker | alvanson: easy enough |
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| 17:42.31 | folial_ | hi! I'm trying to switch my new-installed woody into 'testing', i'm following instructions, but when I finally `apt-get update` with my new sources.list... "Dynamic MMap ran out of room[...]Problem with MergeList[...]ThePackage lists or status file could not be parsed or opened"!! Any hints? |
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| 17:42.54 | asg | folial_: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 17:42.54 | astronut | folial_: hang on, i know this |
| 17:42.54 | Dr_O | !release notes |
| 17:42.54 | trygvebw | folial_, it's not testing any more... ;) |
| 17:42.54 | dpkg | from memory, release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 17:42.56 | Supaplex | folial_: that issue is on google everywhere. google it and be enlightened. |
| 17:42.59 | abrotman | !tell folial_ about woody->sarge |
| 17:43.01 | dippo | rikva: http://www.debugmode.com/wink/ |
| 17:43.05 | astronut | it's in the rleease notes i think |
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| 17:43.07 | abrotman | asg: and that :) |
| 17:43.12 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, that's it! Stupid of me, that I didn't see it before. (Ubuntu standard ignores caps, so I normally don't take a 2nd look at it) |
| 17:43.13 | egg|hitchhiker | folial_: good job... congratulations |
| 17:43.28 | alvanson | does anyone have a link handy to that decision? |
| 17:43.29 | asg | abrotman: probably the last time we'll need that factoid for a while |
| 17:43.29 | alvanson | just out of curiosity? |
| 17:43.29 | abrotman | folial_: you udnerstand the difference between sarge and testing right ? |
| 17:43.29 | folial_ | well... ok |
| 17:43.30 | rikva | dippo: thx |
| 17:43.34 | abrotman | asg: i hope so :) |
| 17:43.38 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, :) its odd, usually most files are lowercase |
| 17:43.46 | folial_ | i knew it was going to happen... |
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| 17:44.01 | naula | folial_: create file /etc/apt/apt.conf . Put this line to it: APT::Cache-Limit "16777216"; |
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| 17:44.09 | astronut | folial_: http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html see 4.5.5 |
| 17:44.09 | binarydigit | well the topic says do not ask about sarge release, can i ask when etch will be out ;) |
| 17:44.18 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.22 | abrotman | alvanson: kerneltrap.org should have some |
| 17:44.23 | egg|hitchhiker | folial_: You are sitting on bomb |
| 17:44.24 | astronut | binarydigit: this weekend most likely |
| 17:44.26 | alvanson | ah |
| 17:44.27 | csko | 5 |
| 17:44.29 | Mayhem | when is slink coming out? |
| 17:44.30 | naula | folial_: if that does not help, just make that number bigger |
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| 17:44.45 | cuti | appaji, you still around? |
| 17:44.47 | Dr_O | binarydigit: subsribe to debian-announce |
| 17:44.47 | abrotman | !slink |
| 17:44.47 | quitte | Mayhem: years ago |
| 17:44.47 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 17:44.53 | appaji | cuti: yes. |
| 17:45.04 | cuti | i still can't hear appaji |
| 17:45.06 | pusling | !slink->potato |
| 17:45.06 | folial_ | ok... i'll try to fix... thanx for hints!! |
| 17:45.08 | Supaplex | about slink->etch ? hahahaa |
| 17:45.13 | Mayhem | ahuman01, I should have asked about hamm |
| 17:45.15 | cuti | i did alsaconf and alsamixer |
| 17:45.20 | appaji | cuti: it found your sound card? |
| 17:45.20 | adobbie | I remember using slink :) |
| 17:45.25 | cuti | i moved everthing up in alsamixer |
| 17:45.26 | cuti | yeah |
| 17:45.27 | appaji | cuti: alsaconf |
| 17:45.29 | Mayhem | oops, sry ahuman01, meant to say 'aah' |
| 17:45.29 | cuti | soundblaster |
| 17:45.35 | jasoncohen | huh, the release notes recommend updating with aptitude rather than apt-get |
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| 17:45.42 | appaji | cuti: and nothing has been muted in alsamixer? |
| 17:45.43 | cuti | appaji: it found my card |
| 17:45.44 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, do you (by any chance) know the command for ignoring caps? |
| 17:45.49 | benjamindees | wow, the bittorrent backport can't add... |
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| 17:45.53 | cuti | nope appaji |
| 17:45.54 | rob_lt | cuti: do you have a "headphone jack sense" in alsamixer? If so, MUTE it |
| 17:45.55 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, let me see... |
| 17:45.58 | Milan- | Somebody kbows when will Etch be released as 'testing' ? |
| 17:46.05 | Supaplex | BoD_SWAT: do you per chance review the man pages? |
| 17:46.07 | cuti | how do i mute it? |
| 17:46.13 | cuti | just move it down? |
| 17:46.15 | rob_lt | cuti: m |
| 17:46.18 | EdibleText | cuti, 'm' |
| 17:46.23 | cuti | oh |
| 17:46.25 | geemark | I've used Xfce for a while but just switched to KDE - how come xchat, firefox, gaim etc uses huge ugly fonts, while I changed the font in the KDE control center? |
| 17:46.26 | Supaplex | Milan-: when it is READY. that's when. |
| 17:46.28 | abrotman | Milan-: after sarge is released |
| 17:46.34 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, Supaplex, still reviewing and googling |
| 17:46.38 | cinix | lol. |
| 17:46.41 | cinix | I'm downloading sarge now afaik |
| 17:46.42 | directhex | alsa has a distinction between a 0 volume and mute. you must un-mute your stuff, not just move volume to 0 |
| 17:46.45 | cinix | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 17:46.47 | zxscz | are the images under http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/ final? |
| 17:46.52 | h01ger | Milan-, etch will never be _released_ as testing. testing will be called etch soon. someday etch will be released stable... |
| 17:47.01 | benjamindees | Milan-, technically, testing will still be testing when Sarge is released, and won't be Etch till Etch is released |
| 17:47.11 | directhex | geemark, kde control panel configures QT fonts. you need gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 17:47.25 | h01ger | Milan-, s/stable/as stable/ |
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| 17:48.24 | bwlang | i'm reading about tomcat and mod-jk2... looks like jk2 is abandoned and there is not libapache2-mod-jk - can you use the libapache-mod-jk with apache2? |
| 17:48.30 | cuti | headphone jack sense is now off |
| 17:48.32 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, can't find it in 'man ls' |
| 17:48.43 | cuti | x Item: Headphone LFE 1 [Off] |
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| 17:48.47 | Supaplex | bwlang: apt-cache show <foo> |
| 17:48.48 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, are you sure its the default in Ubuntu? |
| 17:48.48 | cuti | ? |
| 17:48.51 | Milan- | I meant when sid will be considered enough stable to be forked to etch |
| 17:48.52 | geemark | directhex: i see, but I cannot pick any specific font with that tool? |
| 17:49.05 | Supaplex | Milan-: when it is READY. that's when. |
| 17:49.06 | directhex | geemark, sure you can. |
| 17:49.11 | shingouz | BoD_SWAT: out of curiosity: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:49.11 | geemark | directhex: never mind, just found it |
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| 17:49.30 | BoD_SWAT | shingouz, 3.0 |
| 17:49.40 | xtension | which droid manufacturer uses debian ? |
| 17:49.41 | pusling | Milan-: that never happens. sarge will be base for etch |
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| 17:49.46 | benjamindees | Milan-, doesn't work that way |
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| 17:49.59 | Milan- | ok |
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| 17:50.10 | Rickdangerous | sarge is released |
| 17:50.14 | Rickdangerous | update the topic |
| 17:50.20 | xtension | heya! |
| 17:50.21 | dopey | sure? |
| 17:50.22 | Mayhem | linkage? |
| 17:50.25 | quitte | xtension: what is a droid manufacturer? ilm? |
| 17:50.28 | AigleDor | link! |
| 17:50.28 | Rickdangerous | http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
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| 17:50.29 | xtension | o k e e |
| 17:50.53 | Rickdangerous | !ops sarge is released,; update the topic |
| 17:50.53 | Choubaka | Their main page is not updated yet :D |
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| 17:50.54 | dirthead | nfs troubles: verified portmap is working with rpcinfo -p on server and client, nfsd is running on server (kernel 2.4.31), according to syslog authenticated mount requests are making it to server, but client logs shows RPC timeout errors, any ideas? |
| 17:50.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sarge is released,; update the topic |
| 17:51.17 | Mayhem | the release notes have been there for quite a while |
| 17:51.18 | dopey | Rickdangerous: its not released until the debian-announce email goes out |
| 17:51.25 | caphuso | Rickdangerous: shut the fuck up |
| 17:51.28 | benjamindees | what would we do without Rickdangerous |
| 17:51.32 | Supaplex | haha |
| 17:51.36 | Mayhem | $Id: release-notes.en.sgml,v 1.55 2005/06/02 21:54:16 jseidel Exp $ |
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| 17:51.37 | helix | we'd all still be using woody |
| 17:51.38 | JoshH | lol |
| 17:51.38 | shingouz | benjamindees: be happyu? |
| 17:51.45 | JoshH | dammit Rickdangerous |
| 17:51.48 | JoshH | you had me excited for nothing |
| 17:51.50 | helix | who is jseidel? |
| 17:51.51 | rob_lt | cuti: still no sound? How did you install alsa? |
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| 17:51.58 | cuti | apt-get |
| 17:52.14 | cuti | apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 alsa-source alsa-base alsa-utils libasound2 |
| 17:52.20 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 17:52.41 | geemark | directhex: it's not possible to make the colors and stuff look like the qt theme? |
| 17:52.41 | dopey | sigh. |
| 17:52.49 | dopey | i think we'd know when the release happens |
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| 17:52.55 | dopey | dont worry about it. |
| 17:52.57 | rob_lt | cuti: install alsa-oss |
| 17:53.01 | cuti | oh |
| 17:53.13 | directhex | geemark, there might be a setting in kcontrol somewhere. i don't use kde. |
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| 17:53.25 | rob_lt | cuti: what are you using to try to play audio? |
| 17:53.26 | Rickdangerous | damn it's not rleleased yet :) |
| 17:53.28 | petzsch | someone an emailadress starting with numbers or an a or something in the list? they might get the mail first :-D |
| 17:53.30 | geemark | directhex: ok thanks anyway |
| 17:53.34 | Rickdangerous | but it's near |
| 17:53.35 | cuti | rob_lt, movie |
| 17:53.35 | jasoncohen | why would aptitude dist-upgrade show packages that aren't in apt-get dist-upgrade? it also is trying to uninstall mysql 4.1 and replace it with mysql. doesn't an upgrade just update packages? |
| 17:53.43 | rob_lt | cuti: what software? |
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| 17:53.59 | dopey | petzsch: the people sending the email will likely let people on IRC know. |
| 17:54.01 | cuti | alsa? |
| 17:54.06 | bwlang | Supaplex: i konw how to use apt-cache to see what's availbla ena what's installed... there is no package of what i'm looking for - i'm just wondering how others deal with this. |
| 17:54.16 | rob_lt | cuti: no, like mplayer, xine, totem, etc? |
| 17:54.18 | Supaplex | oh look, http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 it's not there yet either. *g* |
| 17:54.22 | cuti | oh |
| 17:54.24 | cuti | mplayer |
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| 17:54.37 | bwlang | does nobody use tomcat here? |
| 17:54.38 | rob_lt | cuti: are you using mplayer -ao alsa dvd://1 or something like that? |
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| 17:54.54 | cuti | rob_lt, i just do mplayer file |
| 17:54.57 | asg | bwlang: I'm sure some do why do you ask? |
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| 17:55.28 | rob_lt | cuti: I don't think alsa audio output is default with mplayer. Try "mplayer -ao alsa file" |
| 17:55.37 | rob_lt | and install alsa-oss too |
| 17:55.38 | bwlang | asg: because nobody answered my question about libapache2-mod-jk2 and libapache-mod-jk |
| 17:55.42 | Dr_O | zxscz: untill there is a release announcement on debian-announce we don't know! |
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| 17:56.13 | Rickdangerous | Dr_O, well at least the release notes are online now |
| 17:56.15 | bwlang | bwlang: is anyone successfully using mod-jk2? |
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| 17:56.17 | zxscz | Dr_O: alright, thanks |
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| 17:56.24 | Supaplex | bwlang: try /msg dpkg search |
| 17:56.31 | xtension | man mplayer says -ao alsa9 |
| 17:56.33 | zxscz | Rickdangerous: they were online for some time now IIRC |
| 17:56.45 | caphuso | Rickdangerous: the release notes have been online for months. so shut up. seriously |
| 17:56.46 | folial_ | great naula!! It worked...!!! |
| 17:56.48 | cinix | I don't care what anybody says, I'm downloading it now |
| 17:56.49 | cinix | so :-P |
| 17:56.51 | cuti | rob_lt, same crap |
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| 17:56.53 | Rickdangerous | zxscz, dunno I've only waw the preview |
| 17:57.01 | Rickdangerous | saw* |
| 17:57.02 | naula | folial_: good |
| 17:57.12 | bwlang | supaplex: i don't need to know how to search... i can find the packages just fine - except when they don't exist... ;) |
| 17:57.20 | rob_lt | cuti: is there an error message? |
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| 17:57.35 | cuti | Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. |
| 17:57.35 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, you still here? |
| 17:57.35 | cuti | Audio: no sound |
| 17:57.38 | buu | How could I create/fix/whatever /dev/sequencer? I seem to have a file there, but something I'm using dies when it tries to open it, and when I try to cat it I get "cat: /dev/sequencer: No such device"? |
| 17:57.43 | asg | !info libapache-mod-jk sarge |
| 17:57.48 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, yes |
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| 17:57.54 | abrotman | buu: bad permissions? |
| 17:57.55 | dpkg | libapache-mod-jk: (Apache 1.3 connector for the Tomcat Java servlet engine), section web, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.5-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 175 kB, Installed size: 868 kB |
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| 17:58.06 | rob_lt | cuti: did you use alsaconf to setup your sound? |
| 17:58.08 | jim | so, what, 2 hours until release/ |
| 17:58.10 | jim | ? |
| 17:58.10 | buu | abrotman: hrm |
| 17:58.16 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, I realised my debian and ubuntu systems already sort case-insensitive. Seems its a LANG setting thing |
| 17:58.19 | cuti | rob_lt, yeah |
| 17:58.21 | Rickdangerous | jim, less than a hour |
| 17:58.46 | shingouz | cuti: also check that you are in group audio, if no; add yourself to it and logout/login |
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| 17:58.49 | buu | abrotman: crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 1 2004-09-18 06:52 /dev/sequencer |
| 17:59.04 | shadfc | im having some problems getting iptables to log to syslog. Ive got a rule (LOG flags 0 level 7) and I've setup syslog.conf (kern.=debug -/var/log/iptables). I restarted syslog but Im not getting any entries intot he log |
| 17:59.04 | Rickdangerous | after the symlinks is updated I call it a release. |
| 17:59.14 | jim | buu: looks like permissions won't be a problem :P |
| 17:59.14 | cuti | i already added myself to audio group |
| 17:59.15 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, Damn.... But how can I 'fix' it.. My problem is: I want to create 2 diff files (ftp + normal pc) and check if they're consistent.... |
| 17:59.16 | Ramonskie | i updated wu-ftpd and now if i want to connect it says "opening ascii mode data connection /bin/ls |
| 17:59.23 | cuti | but i didn't log off |
| 17:59.27 | cuti | i have to log off? |
| 17:59.27 | abrotman | buu: and you are in the audio group .. right ? |
| 17:59.29 | xtension | shadfc set loglevel to info |
| 17:59.32 | jim | cuti: type groups |
| 17:59.33 | anymous | buu, do you have all kernel modules loaded? |
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| 17:59.42 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, you are retrieving an ftp listing of files? |
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| 17:59.52 | shadfc | xtension why would that matter? i used debug in the iptables rule and syslog |
| 17:59.52 | jim | cuti: does that show you're in audio? |
| 17:59.56 | buu | abrotman: Er, I don't think I'm in the audio group, but shouldn't all users have the same perms with that setting? |
| 18:00.01 | buu | anymous: Er, no? |
| 18:00.03 | cuti | # groups |
| 18:00.03 | cuti | root |
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| 18:00.10 | shadfc | xtension and thats what I started with anyway |
| 18:00.13 | _oc_ | I have a problem installing Sarge on a IBM HS20 8843 Blade server... When partitioning the disks I get the errors in console 3 (ALT+F3): http://rafb.net/paste/results/wYZ4ZO88.html |
| 18:00.14 | xtension | shadfc fine |
| 18:00.14 | lewis | anyone set up autoresponders with exim4 before? |
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| 18:00.19 | jim | ohh, but that's as root |
| 18:00.22 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, as in, an ls -lR or similar? |
| 18:00.23 | cuti | i did: add cuti audio |
| 18:00.24 | _oc_ | Is my partitioning scheme somewhat ok? |
| 18:00.26 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, no.. both are SSH connections. 1 is local (my pc) 1 is remote... and they're both sorted differently... :/ |
| 18:00.27 | anymous | buu, "no such device" indicates the kernel doesn't know what you're trying to access. |
| 18:00.29 | cuti | is that right? |
| 18:00.30 | benjamindees | is UML known to screw up the byte count of ifconfig? |
| 18:00.30 | jim | howbout as your user |
| 18:00.40 | _oc_ | or should part 1 on disk 2 be a primary partition aswell? |
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| 18:00.51 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, yes... using ls -lr (or similar) |
| 18:00.53 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, ok, that should be easier. Do 'echo $LANG' on each |
| 18:00.58 | cuti | cuti tnguyen |
| 18:00.59 | jim | (I'm leading you around a bit here, to show you something) |
| 18:01.05 | buu | anymous: So which module do I need? |
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| 18:01.27 | jim | cuti: hmm :) it doesn't look like it, does it? now grep cuti /etc/group |
| 18:01.28 | r3Fl3X | make gconfig just gives me (gconf:4797): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 18:01.33 | xtension | cuti addgroup cuti audio |
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| 18:01.46 | anymous | buu, depends on your hardware. check output of "lsmod" |
| 18:01.48 | r3Fl3X | how would I redirect it to the screen? |
| 18:01.53 | cuti | audio:x:29:cuti |
| 18:01.54 | r3Fl3X | (not the terminal :p) |
| 18:02.01 | xtension | cuti logout login |
| 18:02.19 | jim | cuti: oh how -interesting-... wonder what's up with that... |
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| 18:02.21 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, ... uhh.... echo $LANG... gives me.... nothing (on both) |
| 18:02.25 | Ramonskie | i updated wu-ftpd and now if i want to connect it says "opening ascii mode data connection /bin/ls |
| 18:02.32 | cuti | yeah |
| 18:02.33 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, ! |
| 18:02.44 | _oc_ | Does my partitioning scheme on: http://rafb.net/paste/results/wYZ4ZO88.html look resonable? |
| 18:02.50 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, .... sorry (Ubuntu = en_GB.UTF-8)..... Debian = nothing |
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| 18:02.54 | Novice | im sorry but plz can anyone tell me how to connect to this server "irc.gimp.net" i m using chatzilla, i know this wrong room but... |
| 18:02.56 | jim | cuti: it establishes that stuff when you log in, and doesn't update when you do the adduser thing |
| 18:02.59 | jim | so: |
| 18:03.02 | anymous | buu, try "modprobe sn-seq-device" |
| 18:03.02 | und0 | r3Fl3X: are you using another user? |
| 18:03.04 | cuti | oh |
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| 18:03.13 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, and the Debian one has the 'wrong' sorting? |
| 18:03.13 | r3Fl3X | und0: hm, no? |
| 18:03.22 | cuti | i'll log off when i finish download thing game |
| 18:03.23 | anymous | buu, "modprobe snd-seq-device" |
| 18:03.29 | cuti | thank you all :D |
| 18:03.30 | buu | anymous: Ok |
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| 18:03.36 | rob_lt | Novice: /server irc.gimp.net |
| 18:03.44 | abrotman | buu: yes .. but you can't access it if you're not in the audio group |
| 18:03.46 | jim | like xtension says, log out, log in |
| 18:03.46 | Mayhem | try 'LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 ls' |
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| 18:03.47 | und0 | r3Fl3X: do you have X running? |
| 18:03.47 | cuti | this* |
| 18:03.47 | Novice | thanx |
| 18:03.50 | r3Fl3X | und0: of course :) |
| 18:03.51 | jim | ok |
| 18:03.59 | buu | abrotman: Er, why? |
| 18:04.04 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, Debian = case-sensitive sorting, Ubuntu = ignoring cases.... what's the definition of 'wrong' |
| 18:04.05 | r3Fl3X | und0: trying to run it from gnome-terminal |
| 18:04.09 | jim | cuti: |
| 18:04.12 | abrotman | buu: oh wait .. i lied :) |
| 18:04.15 | buu | anymous: Done, nothing appears to have changed. |
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| 18:04.17 | Raiden | is there a .deb for gnome 2.10 already ? |
| 18:04.18 | abrotman | buu: it was 666 right ? |
| 18:04.25 | xtension | anymous that would be snd_seq_device ? |
| 18:04.25 | rob_lt | Novice: that will take you off this server, there is likely a way to open a new tab or something for an additional server, but that is how you change servers. |
| 18:04.26 | jim | when you log back in, check by typing groups again |
| 18:04.26 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, wrong = not what you want :) try 'LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 ls' on the debian box |
| 18:04.27 | buu | abrotman: rw-rw-rw-, yes |
| 18:04.27 | abrotman | Raiden: in experimental yes |
| 18:04.37 | jim | (as a sanity check) |
| 18:04.38 | abrotman | buu: devil worshipper!!!! |
| 18:04.39 | Lee__ | is there a set of policy guidelines for packaging web applications? |
| 18:04.49 | Dr_O | _oc_: can you boot an xfs partition? |
| 18:04.56 | Raiden | abrotman, ah, not good to install then |
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| 18:05.13 | buu | abrotman: Yes! |
| 18:05.13 | abrotman | Raiden: up to you |
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| 18:05.22 | jim | muaHOhoHOhoHAAAA! |
| 18:05.26 | buu | abrotman: Maybe if I sacrificed you to satan.. this would work |
| 18:05.26 | abrotman | Raiden: i'm being patient myself |
| 18:05.26 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, same output :( (so 2 different ones) |
| 18:05.28 | r3Fl3X | und0: any suggestion? |
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| 18:05.35 | abrotman | buu: go ahead .. my boss doesn't need me anyway |
| 18:05.47 | und0 | r3Fl3X: are you sure the user you are launching that command is the same that has that X session running? |
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| 18:05.54 | r3Fl3X | und0: yes |
| 18:05.57 | Raiden | abrotman, :D |
| 18:06.13 | und0 | r3Fl3X: if so, no idea =) |
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| 18:06.21 | r3Fl3X | :o |
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| 18:06.36 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, try 'LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 ls' |
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| 18:06.52 | coruptkid | silly qestion, can someone tell me how you scroll previous shell output?? |
| 18:07.07 | shingouz | coruptkid: shift-pgup/pgdown |
| 18:07.07 | Mayhem | coruptkid, hold down shift and pageup |
| 18:07.09 | xtension | coruptkid shift pgup |
| 18:07.14 | ptlis | How annoying :/ |
| 18:07.16 | coruptkid | tnx |
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| 18:07.25 | xtension | coruptkid shift arrow up even |
| 18:07.45 | rking | BoD_SWAT: what about ls | sort -f ? |
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| 18:08.03 | r3Fl3X | oh well. und0 it was actually ran via su - :P |
| 18:08.07 | Mayhem | rking, ls -lR | sort -f ? |
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| 18:08.32 | r3Fl3X | I didn't know it had to be the same user |
| 18:08.36 | BoD_SWAT | rking, ! Yes... yes yes |
| 18:08.39 | _oc_ | when I do a mkfs.xfs <device> should i use /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target1/lun0/disc or /part1 to format the one partition i have on that disk as XFS? |
| 18:08.46 | xtension | rking ls -1 |
| 18:08.47 | rking | Mayhem: no, that will put the info at the wrong side - causing it to sort permissions, etc |
| 18:08.51 | und0 | r3Fl3X: use gksu instead |
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| 18:08.54 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, look at the reaction of rking "ls | sort -f" |
| 18:09.00 | rking | xtension: ls -1 is default when ls's output is not a terminal |
| 18:09.04 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, did you try en_AU? |
| 18:09.09 | r3Fl3X | ok |
| 18:09.14 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, I tried and it didn't work :( |
| 18:09.32 | xtension | rking its aliased ? |
| 18:09.36 | dirthead | streuner: I got nfs working Saturday, then I come into work this morning and it has stopped working. Do you have any ideas what would cause this? portmap and the nfsd daemons are still running. |
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| 18:09.51 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, odd. en_AU is case-insensitive, en_GB case-sensitive on my system. |
| 18:09.59 | rking | xtension: ls just does that by default. try: /bin/ls; /bin/ls > x; cat x |
| 18:10.00 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, if sort does the trick, use that :) |
| 18:10.22 | xtension | rking not here anyway |
| 18:10.26 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, indeed.... I even have written it down (hardcopy) :) |
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| 18:10.31 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, rking, I would like to thank you for your time and effort. My special thanks go out to you :) I'm so happy I have an answer :) |
| 18:10.34 | streuner | dirthead: how do you 'manage' this? :-) |
| 18:10.35 | xtension | rking maybe i aliased it |
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| 18:10.58 | AigleDor | will the official released iso's be different from these: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-iso/3.1_r0/ ? |
| 18:10.58 | Mayhem | BoD_SWAT, np. Now its bugging me why the sorting isn't consistent with languages... |
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| 18:10.59 | rking | xtension: so when you /bin/ls > x; cat x; it shows as more-than-1 column? |
| 18:11.00 | krystalino | how to make a floppy disk bootable with a linux minikernel inside ? |
| 18:11.05 | streuner | AigleDor: of course |
| 18:11.07 | xtension | rking yes |
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| 18:11.18 | streuner | AigleDor: see /topic ... |
| 18:11.34 | xtension | rking but to file ... its obvious one column |
| 18:11.38 | KDO | hi leute ich hab grad eben debian sarge 3.1 (noch testin) von den 2 dvds installiert. bei der installation gabs am ende noch die auswahl bei der paketinstallation. ICH natürlich habe (nun festgestellt ) dummerweise die manuelle paketinstallation gewählt. nun das problem ich kriege kde nich zum laufen. hab ich via gapt-get install .... schon erledigt. hinterher gleich kdm aber wenn ichs starten will , kommt der fehler, dass ich unter" usr/x11r6/lib/ |
| 18:11.38 | KDO | x11/xinit/xserverrc " datei oder verzeichnis nicht finden kann und somit den x-server auch nicht starten kann. kann mir einer weiterhelfen???? |
| 18:11.39 | Rickdangerous | AigleDor, most probably no. |
| 18:11.40 | BoD_SWAT | Mayhem, hehehehe... then I guess I'm sorry for you :) |
| 18:11.46 | streuner | AigleDor: its a little too fast |
| 18:11.48 | abrotman | !german |
| 18:11.48 | dpkg | hmm... german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 18:11.49 | Mayhem | ;) |
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| 18:11.54 | Rickdangerous | AigleDor, it will be lreleased in a few hours anyway |
| 18:11.56 | streuner | Rickdangerous: hell, no. |
| 18:12.03 | rob_lt | cuti: what exact model is your sound card? |
| 18:12.06 | abrotman | i think you've been saying that since last night |
| 18:12.12 | Rickdangerous | streuner, which one? |
| 18:12.13 | streuner | Rickdangerous: and those packages which might be fixed? |
| 18:12.17 | Mayhem | released, schmeleased |
| 18:12.25 | Rickdangerous | streuner, sarge is finalized |
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| 18:12.32 | sdb__ | streuner: huh? wtf are you talking about? |
| 18:12.37 | simonrvn | fucking idiot s. jobs. going for a crappy arch like that, p4 no less. |
| 18:12.39 | dirthead | streuner: Not sure. After I got nfs running I didn't touch the system again. Then it just wasn't working this morning. I had checked it Saturday night and it was still working fine. I'm at a loss. |
| 18:12.40 | streuner | its not released yet... |
| 18:12.43 | Rickdangerous | streuner, no fxation anymore exept usual sable ones |
| 18:12.44 | shingouz | is he still trolling? |
| 18:12.50 | sdb__ | strfryed: yes, "yet" |
| 18:12.55 | sdb__ | doh |
| 18:12.58 | egg|hitchhiker | me? |
| 18:13.00 | abrotman | simonrvn: i have to say i'm surprised he didn't go for athlon64 etcx |
| 18:13.00 | Rickdangerous | streuner, it's finalized isos prpared all we are waiting for is the symlink update and the email |
| 18:13.02 | cuti | rob_lt: i have sound blaster 5.1 |
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| 18:13.10 | jim | does sarge have new cron jobs that run at noon? |
| 18:13.13 | jepagodo- | how do i mount an ntfs-disk over a lan? |
| 18:13.16 | egg|hitchhiker | (kick) |
| 18:13.16 | jim | or 11 am? |
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| 18:13.22 | dondelelcaro | Rickdangerous: yes, which equates with release. This is all standard stuff. |
| 18:13.24 | Silicon | ehhe |
| 18:13.25 | egg|hitchhiker | (vote kick) |
| 18:13.26 | streuner | Rickdangerous: i tell you those isos arent the release isos. |
| 18:13.30 | dondelelcaro | egg|hitchhiker: stop that please. |
| 18:13.33 | und0 | abrotman: i was thinking the same =) |
| 18:13.39 | simonrvn | abrotman: double-idiot |
| 18:13.45 | xtension | cuti do lspci and be more specific |
| 18:13.46 | Rickdangerous | dondelelcaro, yes sure. sorry for claiming that it as released. |
| 18:14.07 | Rickdangerous | streuner, no way. |
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| 18:14.08 | streuner | idiot |
| 18:14.09 | Rickdangerous | streuner, wana bet? |
| 18:14.15 | dondelelcaro | jim: if noon is 06:25 UTC, yes. |
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| 18:14.34 | simonrvn | lun jun 6 14:14:34 EDT 2005 |
| 18:14.35 | jim | dondelelcaro: hmm, I just checked and found a coupla things... |
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| 18:14.48 | streuner | Rickdangerous: How many times i have to tell you? |
| 18:15.07 | simonrvn | lun jun 6 18:15:07 UTC 2005 |
| 18:15.10 | Mayhem | well I think I'm gonna take my powerpc and have a quiet cry |
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| 18:15.32 | Rickdangerous | streuner, that's a speculation as mine. it's either same isos or not. do you hve real infomation that isos wil be renewed? |
| 18:15.33 | jim | dondelelcaro: one, a cron job fired off after dpkg --configure -a found a newer dpkg to configure |
| 18:15.38 | simonrvn | Mayhem: or join us in #debianppc and bitch at jobs |
| 18:15.45 | Mayhem | simonrvn, roger that |
| 18:15.48 | jim | and second, my date shows my correct timezone |
| 18:16.03 | abrotman | Rickdangerous: do you have any real information those are the release ISOs ? |
| 18:16.05 | jim | dondelelcaro: could the reconfigure explain what happened? |
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| 18:16.27 | dondelelcaro | jim: hrm... that's unusual |
| 18:16.27 | streuner | Rickdangerous: think twice, NOT all RC- bugs arent fixed yesterday, those isos are about 24 hrs old... |
| 18:16.30 | Rickdangerous | abrotman, of course not any sane one knows that offical release th release |
| 18:16.31 | cuti | 0000:02:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a ) |
| 18:16.34 | Darksun | When is Debian Sarge going to be released? |
| 18:16.36 | jim | Rickdangerous: all you can claim is they -might- be :) |
| 18:16.41 | asg | Darksun: /topic |
| 18:16.41 | Sesse | Darksun: topic |
| 18:16.43 | streuner | Darksun: /topic |
| 18:16.47 | pusling | Darksun: /topic |
| 18:16.48 | Rickdangerous | abrotman, on the other hand I beleve with a hÅŸgh percentage that these are the isos |
| 18:16.50 | PeTeRB | !topicbadger Darksun |
| 18:16.51 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that Darksun didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 18:16.52 | abrotman | Rickdangerous: in english ? |
| 18:16.54 | Dave2 | Darksun, /topic |
| 18:16.54 | streuner | !topicsmite Darksun |
| 18:16.55 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Darksun. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 18:17.08 | Rickdangerous | abrotman, s/hÅŸgh/high |
| 18:17.09 | jim | Rickdangerous: and it would be an educated guess, since you probably know the debian-boot team has been working on isos all night long |
| 18:17.09 | rob_lt | cuti: well, you definitely want the emu10k1 modules by the looks of things. |
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| 18:17.19 | abrotman | i meant the first sentence |
| 18:17.22 | Rickdangerous | jim, yes sure I'm watching devel channel |
| 18:17.36 | Rickdangerous | jim, many people are already downloading from torrent. |
| 18:17.39 | cuti | rob_lt, just modprobe it? |
| 18:17.48 | Rickdangerous | jim, developers are aware of this |
| 18:17.50 | HeLfReZ | now that the macrumors are done hows the deb room looking |
| 18:17.54 | HeLfReZ | i miss anything |
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| 18:18.01 | asg | HeLfReZ: no |
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| 18:18.12 | HeLfReZ | for anyoen that missed it yes Mac=Intel heheh |
| 18:18.12 | rob_lt | cuti: alsaconf should have loaded the appropriate modules. Try lsmod and see if the modules are loaded. Alsa modules start with "snd" |
| 18:18.14 | abrotman | HeLfReZ: is sarg eout yet ? |
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| 18:18.18 | jim | Rickdangerous: well, we'll see in a few minutes whether your (educated) guess is correct :) |
| 18:18.19 | streuner | Rickdangerous: thats a mistake then, but anyway you could update those packages easly |
| 18:18.23 | HeLfReZ | abrotman, hehe |
| 18:18.30 | Rickdangerous | streuner, frpm pr |
| 18:18.33 | HeLfReZ | dunno been in the mac rooms |
| 18:18.35 | Rickdangerous | streuner, sory |
| 18:18.35 | streuner | s/packages/isos/ |
| 18:18.36 | dondelelcaro | HeLfReZ: considering that jobs hasn't made that announcement yet, I doubt it. |
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| 18:18.36 | abrotman | HeLfReZ: that's all you missed |
| 18:18.51 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: apparently he as |
| 18:18.51 | Ungy | I figured out why my system got jacked when I apt-get upgraded on Friday my fonts got corrupted so I had to completely reinstall cause I couldn;t find where font fixed is located and what exactly got corrupted |
| 18:18.53 | abrotman | err he has |
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| 18:18.59 | HeLfReZ | err Dondle |
| 18:19.01 | HeLfReZ | he has |
| 18:19.03 | Rickdangerous | streuner, pincipally yes it ay be updated but practically it's nearly ÅŸmpossible |
| 18:19.08 | Rickdangerous | impossible* |
| 18:19.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: there have been live feeds of the keynote |
| 18:19.19 | HeLfReZ | i just got done narrativn the keynote address hehe |
| 18:19.25 | HeLfReZ | hehe |
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| 18:19.39 | HeLfReZ | abrotman, he hasnt had his caffiene today, hes a litle slow |
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| 18:20.01 | cuti | rob_lt, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/trjYfd72.html |
| 18:20.01 | abrotman | HeLfReZ: maybe he's busy policing our asses |
| 18:20.01 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 18:20.13 | HeLfReZ | abrotman, heheh |
| 18:20.13 | cuti | rob_lt: it's already loaded |
| 18:20.15 | jim | what a shitty job |
| 18:20.15 | kuene | i want to run apche2 under an other user then www-data. who can i create the user? i have done it with "adduser --system". then apache seems to work ok but the upload of the webdav folder does not work. (unknown connection error) but i changed the owner to the new apache user. it does only work with uid 33, gid 33. :( |
| 18:20.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: http://www4.macnn.com/macnn/wwdc/05/ .. about 1/2 to 2/3 down |
| 18:20.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, I already read that. |
| 18:20.30 | TimeKilla | hey guys, i'm just learning linux and I'm wondering.. when I do do a "apt-get --help" some of the help text is off screen.. what is an option i can use to list it in pages at a time? |
| 18:20.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it says intel in there :) |
| 18:20.39 | xtension | hahaha f*ck msn changes to dnd also when the user is hidden |
| 18:20.42 | asg | kuene: ask #apache |
| 18:20.43 | shingouz | TimeKilla: less |
| 18:20.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes.. |
| 18:20.45 | fatalerror | TimeKilla: apt-get --help | pager |
| 18:20.49 | alvanson | hmm |
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| 18:21.00 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it doesn't take me more than a minute to read that much text... |
| 18:21.01 | LordNazgul | or you can apt-get --help |more |
| 18:21.01 | alvanson | does Debian really have a 'default' desktop? |
| 18:21.05 | dondelelcaro | alvanson: no. |
| 18:21.05 | alvanson | ie KDE v GNOME? |
| 18:21.05 | jim | TimeKilla: a lot of different ways |
| 18:21.05 | Empty | kuene, search your logs for the real error, apache2 suid works properly so you must have some other problem |
| 18:21.08 | mwilson | No. |
| 18:21.09 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: a whole minute ? :_ |
| 18:21.10 | abrotman | :) |
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| 18:21.12 | streuner | alvanson: nope |
| 18:21.13 | asg | alvanson: no |
| 18:21.14 | alvanson | k |
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| 18:21.20 | jim | TimeKilla: one, you could put it in a file and edit the file |
| 18:21.29 | dan2 | ~test |
| 18:21.30 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 18:21.38 | streuner | alvanson: you can install everything you want |
| 18:21.39 | jim | TimeKilla: two, you could pipe to more or less |
| 18:21.40 | astronut | ~test |
| 18:21.41 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 18:21.57 | jim | apt_ stop testing! |
| 18:21.58 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: want to update the topic and create false hope that sarge was released today |
| 18:22.15 | rikva | ehm, I thougt GNOME was debians default, also because it uses GDM and if you login it starts GNOME |
| 18:22.24 | dondelelcaro | dan2: not particularly |
| 18:22.35 | Empty | rikva, alphabetical order |
| 18:22.43 | kuene | Empty, Permission denied: Could not open property database |
| 18:22.44 | shingouz | rikva: is uses gdm if you install gdm on it |
| 18:22.48 | benjamindees | alvanson, Debian has default nothing, not even a default way to select a default anything :) |
| 18:23.02 | Empty | kuene, so find the property DB and chown it/ create it/ whatever |
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| 18:23.07 | Mayhem | benjamindees, your description is too vague :) |
| 18:23.09 | Empty | I have no idea what that is though |
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| 18:23.17 | valdyn | rikva: its 'default' if you install the task "Desktop Environment" ( or similar ), that's is more or less coincidence |
| 18:23.25 | prophile | so, when will sarge be released? |
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| 18:23.30 | Empty | benjamindees, not true really, for example exim is the default MTA |
| 18:23.32 | rikva | aaaah |
| 18:23.33 | rikva | 1\ |
| 18:23.39 | dondelelcaro | prophile: read /topic. |
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| 18:23.42 | benjamindees | Empty, :p |
| 18:23.44 | involved | prophile: when u read the topic |
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| 18:23.51 | asg | !beat prophile with a big stick |
| 18:23.56 | prophile | meh, #aag said you'd find it funny |
| 18:24.01 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 18:24.01 | shingouz | !topicbadger prophile |
| 18:24.02 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that prophile didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 18:24.02 | asg | oh, a double |
| 18:24.07 | Rickdangerous | streuner, wouldn't it be ridicilous to put isos pn the pffical place (cdmages.d.o) if sarge wern't finalized? |
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| 18:24.14 | Rickdangerous | on the* |
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| 18:24.46 | dondelelcaro | yeesh. can we stop with the cdisos and finalization already? Obviously it takes a while to make the cds. Therefore they are ready before the actual "release" |
| 18:24.51 | sepski | Rickdangerous, not if they wanted to test the mirror network |
| 18:24.58 | adobbie | stable -> woody |
| 18:25.03 | adobbie | symlinks aren't changed yet |
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| 18:25.09 | TimeKilla | ok, i've just installed debian and i would like to install my first program... possibly gnome or some other windows like manager. When i did the initial install last night I choose to do a manual install and it bypassed the option for gnome. How would I go about getting it setup on here at this point// or how do in invoke the base installer again? |
| 18:25.09 | Rickdangerous | dondelelcaro, yes I agree. I'm trying to tell this to streuner |
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| 18:25.28 | jim | dondelelcaro: and it looks like they tried to prepare in advance and let a mirror pulse go by and make cd isos and like that |
| 18:25.29 | Empty | TimeKilla, try "apt-get install gnome" |
| 18:25.30 | dondelelcaro | that being said, sarge isos have been made for a few years now, so that's nothing new. |
| 18:25.33 | PeTeRB | TimeKilla: Try tasksel |
| 18:25.33 | xtension | TimeKilla apt-get install kde kdm |
| 18:25.35 | benjamindees | TimeKilla, learn apt |
| 18:25.36 | LordNazgul | timekilla -apt-get install gnome |
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| 18:25.43 | xtension | TimeKilla taskel |
| 18:25.44 | dondelelcaro | jim: the isos are on a separate mirror network |
| 18:25.46 | streuner | dondelelcaro: haha |
| 18:25.48 | Ungy | I have a question concerning my apt/sources-list I installed Sarge on some servers in preperation for release to make sure everything worked now I want to move them to production so what do I need to change on my sources-list? |
| 18:25.51 | involved | if i have "sarge" in the apt sources.list, when it goes to stable, i'll get the "stable debian" right? no need to change anything else? |
| 18:25.52 | adobbie | dondelelcaro: but this is the first time they've had 3.1r0 in the name |
| 18:25.58 | TimeKilla | ok, is there a way for me to get apt to list the available programs categorically? |
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| 18:26.13 | jim | involved: exactly: you'll still get sarge |
| 18:26.15 | Empty | involved, "stable" "testing" etc are all symlinks to the actual release names |
| 18:26.15 | dondelelcaro | Ungy: make sure they point to sarge, not testing. |
| 18:26.16 | streuner | dondelelcaro: and thats why the think its final release... |
| 18:26.18 | involved | TimeKilla: synaptic |
| 18:26.19 | rob_lt | cuti: do you have hotplug installed? Perhaps the snd-ac97-codec module is conflicted with your SB card. Try adding snd-ac97-codec to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and rebooting. |
| 18:26.19 | xtension | TimeKilla eheh all 1000000 of them ? |
| 18:26.25 | Ungy | dondecarlo thank you very much sir |
| 18:26.33 | sepski | TimeKilla, i recomend starting with getting X to work, then wark from there so you can start with x-window-system-core and configure that when your pleased you can add wm's and whatsnots |
| 18:26.38 | streuner | dondelelcaro: s/the/they/ |
| 18:26.38 | involved | ok.. no other changes then :) |
| 18:26.38 | Empty | involved, so yes you will be golden... if you had a woody box with "stable" in your sources on the other hand... |
| 18:26.43 | Rickdangerous | streuner, not only that. because SARGE IS FINALIZED... |
| 18:26.51 | Rickdangerous | streuner, this is an important fact... |
| 18:26.54 | TimeKilla | how can i get x to work sepski? |
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| 18:26.57 | TimeKilla | do i apt-get install x ? |
| 18:27.05 | abrotman | Rickdangerous: will you stop it .. please ? |
| 18:27.07 | cuti | rob_lt: i dont have hotplug |
| 18:27.10 | Rickdangerous | streuner, also it was to be rleased on 6th |
| 18:27.11 | gpm | oh god he's back |
| 18:27.14 | sepski | TimeKilla, install the package x-window-system-core, |
| 18:27.17 | hool | Rickdangerous: sarge is still not out? |
| 18:27.19 | Empty | TimeKilla, if you install Gnome it will know that x is required |
| 18:27.20 | abrotman | please someone kill him |
| 18:27.22 | involved | i would have a shit load of packages to change :) |
| 18:27.32 | Empty | TimeKilla, or you can apt-get install x-window-system |
| 18:27.33 | TimeKilla | ok thanks guys i'll try that |
| 18:27.33 | asg | abrotman: /ignore is your friend |
| 18:27.34 | streuner | Rickdangerous: again, SARGE ISN'T RELEASED |
| 18:27.36 | xtension | TimeKilla run taskel its easy |
| 18:27.37 | abrotman | at least until we get the real email :) |
| 18:27.38 | hool | abrotman: $500 000 000 000 will wipe him out of the matrix ;) |
| 18:27.39 | Rickdangerous | streuner, I know |
| 18:27.48 | asg | streuner, Rickdangerous: take the debate elsewhere, we don't care. |
| 18:27.49 | streuner | *shakes his head* |
| 18:27.51 | abrotman | asg: i like you .. i don't want to ignore you |
| 18:28.02 | rob_lt | cuti: as root, rmmod snd-ac97-codec |
| 18:28.05 | asg | abrotman: it would be better for your health if you did I think ;) |
| 18:28.09 | jim | this argument is unnecessary... please all of you stop it; your blood pressure is needlessly rising |
| 18:28.09 | involved | bbl |
| 18:28.10 | involved | * |
| 18:28.13 | Rickdangerous | abrotman, you were not in the deata anyway |
| 18:28.16 | streuner | asg: he started always new, and he unterstand nothing, how can we stop him? :-) |
| 18:28.16 | Rickdangerous | asg, fine for me. |
| 18:28.21 | nvz | Rickdangerous: sarge was to be released Sept 15, 2004.. and no debian dist is really finalized until it obsoleted and no longer on s.d.o |
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| 18:28.23 | cuti | # rmmod snd-ac97-codec |
| 18:28.24 | cuti | snd-ac97-codec: Device or resource busy |
| 18:28.38 | asg | streuner: /j #yesitisnoitisnt |
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| 18:28.41 | abrotman | Rickdangerous: say what ? |
| 18:28.45 | Rickdangerous | nvz, I know. but this time it's real. maybe a day later or so |
| 18:28.48 | abrotman | i give up |
| 18:28.53 | abrotman | asg: my health ? |
| 18:28.56 | sepski | why can't people just accept that they will hear about it when it occurs. |
| 18:28.58 | asg | abrotman: nevermind |
| 18:29.03 | abrotman | he's been going like that since last night |
| 18:29.08 | adobbie | sepski: hear about it after :) |
| 18:29.13 | shingouz | sepski: good point |
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| 18:29.23 | hool | i know a person who ran nightly builds of unstable a cpl of years back :) |
| 18:29.26 | jim | Rickdangerous: please just stop... it doesn't matter much... either we wait a day now or we just waited a day... either way, it's one day... |
| 18:29.28 | hool | some USB thing he needed |
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| 18:29.38 | abrotman | or two days :) |
| 18:29.38 | Burbas | If not "make" is working, what can I do then? Its probably no compiler installed, but whats the name of that package? |
| 18:29.47 | TimeKilla | i'm just curious.. this new release of debian... what additional features can i expect it to offer me (a first time linux user)? |
| 18:29.48 | jim | Rickdangerous: I know you have better things to do and/or say |
| 18:29.57 | Empty | sepski, because people want to be onto things before they are out, like pre-release parties etc... Makes mundane people feel special I think |
| 18:29.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell TimeKilla -about why debian |
| 18:29.58 | gpm | Burbas: gcc? |
| 18:29.58 | sepski | hm RC counts are rising ? not dropping, 27 now 26 last time i checked |
| 18:29.58 | adobbie | Burbas: apt-get install build-essential |
| 18:30.04 | abrotman | asg: are you trying to kill me ? |
| 18:30.07 | Rickdangerous | jim, yes gh of speculation |
| 18:30.08 | dondelelcaro | sepski: yes, RC counts often rise. |
| 18:30.13 | Rickdangerous | enough* |
| 18:30.21 | asg | abrotman: erm, no, I don't think so. |
| 18:30.23 | treyh0 | sarge getting released, apple switches to intel, oh my god what is happening |
| 18:30.23 | benjamindees | jim, no, you don't... he, doesn't |
| 18:30.24 | treyh0 | :) |
| 18:30.28 | Burbas | gpm: ofcourse. Tnx |
| 18:30.29 | dondelelcaro | sepski: esp. as you can't upload to sarge right now, so you can't fix RC bugs. |
| 18:30.37 | yus_ | Sorry i need a little help, probably only a word. I need to "translate" hexadecimal code (%20%20) to ascii code |
| 18:30.40 | dondelelcaro | (well, RC bugs in sarge... you can fix them in unstable) |
| 18:30.41 | _oc_ | when I do a mkfs.xfs <device> should i use /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target1/lun0/disc or /part1 to format the one partition i have on that disk as XFS? |
| 18:30.42 | sepski | dondelelcaro, im not a dd unfortunatly. |
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| 18:30.45 | dondelelcaro | yus_: ' ' |
| 18:30.46 | jim | benjamindees: I doesn't... you doesn't also too! |
| 18:30.46 | Empty | Burbas, perhaps " make" is not installed? |
| 18:30.48 | abrotman | asg: please? |
| 18:30.48 | rob_lt | Does anyone know how to blacklist a module on a system that isn't using hotplug? |
| 18:30.54 | asg | !kill abrotman |
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| 18:31.02 | abrotman | that's the best you could do ? |
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| 18:31.11 | streuner | asg: bad mood today? |
| 18:31.15 | sepski | rob_lt, do you mean blacklist it in discover ? |
| 18:31.20 | nvz | Rickdangerous: you know its kind of like Tupac said, in "Can't C Me".. "You can't believe everything you read" |
| 18:31.23 | spunz | 2http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/News/2005/20050606.wml?rev=1.1&cvsroot=webwml&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 18:31.25 | asg | abrotman: yes, I'm tired, it was 113F in the switch room when I arrived today. |
| 18:31.27 | spunz | http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/News/2005/20050606.wml?rev=1.1&cvsroot=webwml&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 18:31.32 | asg | streuner: no, he asked me to do it. |
| 18:31.33 | xzgv | http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Debian_GNULinux_3.1r0_released_s48714.html |
| 18:31.39 | streuner | asg: oh |
| 18:31.39 | Empty | nvz Beck saiud that too :P |
| 18:31.42 | abrotman | asg: you should put some AC in there |
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| 18:31.50 | streuner | what is 113 F. in Celsisus? |
| 18:31.51 | Rickdangerous | nvz, well I really believe it this time. I bleived it will br released in summer too |
| 18:31.51 | rob_lt | sepski: cuti is having sound issues, and I think the snd-ac97-codec module might be the culprit. He's not using hotplug, so I don't know how to stop that module from being loaded on a reboot. |
| 18:31.52 | asg | abrotman: we do, it broke |
| 18:31.55 | nvz | you could have read about sarge release for like a year now, but you STILL CANT SEE IT :P |
| 18:31.57 | abrotman | streuner: too damn hot |
| 18:32.00 | asg | streuner: no, Farenheight |
| 18:32.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell streuner about convert 113 tempF to tempC |
| 18:32.07 | hool | hmm.. is there any prekompiled generic kernels with both alsa and nvidia? |
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| 18:32.09 | abrotman | streuner: about .. maybe .. 60 ? |
| 18:32.11 | hool | for 2.6.8 |
| 18:32.20 | nvz | Empty: yeah but the "Can't C Me" seems to fit better :P |
| 18:32.24 | abrotman | oh . i was way wrong |
| 18:32.27 | streuner | tempF(113) is approximately 45 tempC |
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| 18:32.31 | jim | Rickdangerous: in that case you should have placed a bet in the pool :P |
| 18:32.31 | streuner | damn hot |
| 18:32.33 | abrotman | streuner: too hot eh ? |
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| 18:32.46 | twirl83 | how can I set the refresh rate of a screen? I know I can set a range and it selects the highest working one. but the problem is that I am still having sync problems on the screen sides |
| 18:32.53 | LordNazgul | ok guys correcct me if im wrong, but the most recent testing snapshot install will be almost virtually identical to 3.1 sarge, with the exception of a couple of rc bugs which can be resolve by updating/upgrading with apt after the release correct? |
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| 18:32.56 | Rickdangerous | jim, heh is in summer a val |
| 18:32.58 | Rickdangerous | id bet? |
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| 18:33.07 | oma | spatti |
| 18:33.08 | oma | ? |
| 18:33.09 | sepski | LordNazgul, correct |
| 18:33.13 | oma | hi all |
| 18:33.26 | jim | oma: raganoogies? |
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| 18:33.37 | oma | what? |
| 18:33.42 | jim | exactly :) |
| 18:33.42 | LordNazgul | so then why are some people all worked up about it. install the testing snapshot and apt update tomorrow or the day after |
| 18:33.50 | abrotman | LordNazgul: we don't know |
| 18:33.51 | LordNazgul | it takes like two mins |
| 18:33.56 | sepski | LordNazgul, been asking myself that whole day long |
| 18:34.01 | nvz | its right before your very eyes and you can't even realize... :) |
| 18:34.04 | LordNazgul | lol |
| 18:34.07 | shingouz | LordNazgul: because they have nothing else to do but bitch |
| 18:34.14 | Rickdangerous | LordNazgul, agree, some people just heat the debate up |
| 18:34.18 | LordNazgul | gotcha, makes perfect sense now |
| 18:34.27 | dondelelcaro | LordNazgul: arbitrary milestones are just more interesting, apparently. |
| 18:34.32 | hool | debian system works so smothly that debian sys adms can get really really bored? |
| 18:34.32 | jim | Rickdangerous: I'm just trying to get people to let go of it |
| 18:34.37 | Pepper | http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/german/News/2005/20050606.wml?rev=1.2&cvsroot=webwml&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
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| 18:35.07 | Rickdangerous | jim it's ok. I'm takling about others. especially who use sidiot and moron too much. |
| 18:35.08 | hool | Don't mention the war! Don't mention sarge! |
| 18:35.09 | nvz | Stares of a million pairs of eyes, but you will never realize.. (you're blinded, you're blinded) |
| 18:35.09 | dondelelcaro | yes, congratulations, you've found the german translation of webml |
| 18:35.09 | shingouz | hool: that is why there is #debian, the place where all debian sysadmins come to lart unsuspecting lusers ;) |
| 18:35.11 | Rickdangerous | idiot* |
| 18:35.20 | hool | shingouz: yeah.. |
| 18:35.24 | jim | sidiot! |
| 18:35.24 | goron | Is there any R (r-project.org) user in here? |
| 18:35.29 | hool | shingouz: and BOFH |
| 18:35.30 | jim | you just coined a new term! |
| 18:35.41 | jim | dpkg, sidiot |
| 18:35.43 | shingouz | hool: is Simon here too? |
| 18:35.43 | dondelelcaro | goron: /join #R |
| 18:35.46 | caphuso | goron: there's an #r you could try |
| 18:35.47 | hool | nvz: tell that mofo he still owes me the $10 |
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| 18:36.00 | hool | shingouz: simon sez.. fix hools box |
| 18:36.03 | jim | dpkg, sidiot is anyone who runs sid without knowing how to deal with problems |
| 18:36.03 | dpkg | okay, jim |
| 18:36.09 | rob_lt | cuti: try adding "skip snd-ac97-codec" to /etc/discover.d/alsa-base and rebooting |
| 18:36.11 | Rickdangerous | shingouz, sys admins are the most larted people in the world. It's such a bad job. I wouldn'T do it in any cÅŸircumstances |
| 18:36.14 | shingouz | jim: nice one :) |
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| 18:36.21 | abrotman | i wouldn't let him |
| 18:36.36 | jim | shingouz: blame Rickdangerous :P |
| 18:36.43 | Rickdangerous | jim, it's not intentional you know |
| 18:36.45 | Rickdangerous | :) |
| 18:36.51 | mae | Hi, I am having an issue with DMA in debian testing, detailed information is in this pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste/results/QS7zLg38.html any help is much appreciated! thanks. |
| 18:36.51 | jim | yes, but... |
| 18:36.52 | shingouz | hool: yea, letting Simon fix your computer might turn it magically in to a sliderule or something |
| 18:36.55 | yus_ | sidiot is anyone who runs sid without knowing how to deal with problems <======== me myself and i |
| 18:37.04 | Rickdangerous | heh |
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| 18:37.09 | dondelelcaro | sidiot =~ s/problems/problems. Sidiots often have no idea what the BTS is, how to operate strace, gdb, or what fakeroot and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" fakeroot debian/rules binary; are useful for. |
| 18:37.13 | rob_lt | cuti: and maybe add the "skip snd-ac97-codec" to /etc/discover.conf too |
| 18:37.13 | shingouz | jim: wtf did he say now? he has been on ignore since yesterday |
| 18:37.13 | dondelelcaro | sidiot =~ s/problems/problems. Sidiots often have no idea what the BTS is, how to operate strace, gdb, or what fakeroot and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" fakeroot debian/rules binary; are useful for./ |
| 18:37.34 | dondelelcaro | sidiot |
| 18:37.37 | Rickdangerous | great |
| 18:37.40 | streuner | dondelelcaro: dpkg, no blah is blahblah |
| 18:37.42 | hool | shingouz: nah.. i have taken precautions.. strapped C4 to the favorite servers and "download" spaces ;) |
| 18:37.44 | nvz | hmm Sidiot.. that must be one of them new words out this year.. like McJob |
| 18:37.48 | hool | remote detonator |
| 18:37.50 | jim | shingouz: he typoed about people who say sidiot (sic) and moron too much |
| 18:37.54 | shingouz | hool: hehe |
| 18:37.56 | Rickdangerous | I have a contribution :) |
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| 18:38.07 | asg | dondelelcaro: you going to create 'sadiot' also, one who, upon being told about the bts, strace, etc, still doesn't have a clue? |
| 18:38.09 | dondelelcaro | streuner: uh, yes... I think I'm vaguely familiar with how dpkg works |
| 18:38.16 | jim | Rickdangerous: oh no, go to the bathroom already :P |
| 18:38.22 | shingouz | jim: ok. not that it matters a lot, just that the conversation is a bit odd when he is trolling here |
| 18:38.22 | streuner | dondelelcaro: hehe :-) |
| 18:38.23 | Rickdangerous | heh |
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| 18:38.48 | kaiowa | how could i lauch an app in a window insted of full screen? |
| 18:38.50 | jim | shingouz: I'm trying to get everyone to cool off |
| 18:38.50 | hool | hmm.. why can the fbsd peple get hot girls to pose in their pictures? |
| 18:38.50 | streuner | dondelelcaro: you forgot simply 'dpkg', foo is blah |
| 18:38.56 | dondelelcaro | streuner: yes... |
| 18:38.58 | dondelelcaro | !sidiot |
| 18:38.58 | dpkg | i guess sidiot is anyone who runs sid without knowing how to deal with problems. Sidiots often have no idea what the BTS is, how to operate strace, gdb, or what fakeroot and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" fakeroot debian/rules binary; are useful for. |
| 18:38.59 | nvz | first Merriam and Webster publish that a McJob is a lowpaying dead end job, then McDonalds starts paying new employees like $8/hr and shit |
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| 18:39.20 | shingouz | jim: that is pretty much impossible without doing a mass kick i think ;) |
| 18:39.25 | DyDe | hi there, i've a problem getting my aticard to run with direct renderiny enabled under xfree86.... i tried many tuts, but none of them worked (either i made some mistakes or it doesn't work at all and i try somenthin impossible) |
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| 18:39.26 | cuti | yo |
| 18:39.30 | cuti | i got voice :D |
| 18:39.31 | cuti | haha |
| 18:39.34 | dondelelcaro | kaiowa: depends on the application. |
| 18:39.35 | cuti | i'm so happy |
| 18:39.37 | asg | hool: you pay someone enough, they'll do anything |
| 18:39.38 | jim | cuti: does it work now? |
| 18:39.40 | nvz | we should make those jargon definitions about Microsoft official, and see if they change their ways |
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| 18:39.42 | cuti | yeah |
| 18:39.44 | PeTeRB | cuti: Erm, mostly we all do |
| 18:39.46 | cuti | thanks :D |
| 18:39.50 | cuti | hehee |
| 18:39.58 | jim | good :) you learned somethign important about basic unix :) |
| 18:40.01 | hool | nvz: so if Webster sez poop stink MCD customers will start having chanel no5 stools? |
| 18:40.02 | streuner | asg: Iron Maiden was in .de (Rock am Ring) |
| 18:40.06 | cuti | uh huh |
| 18:40.11 | hool | asg: why pay? I own a perfectly good shotgun |
| 18:40.15 | asg | streuner: you suck |
| 18:40.17 | streuner | asg: last weekend |
| 18:40.19 | abrotman | asg: are you coming to philly to see judas priest? |
| 18:40.20 | asg | streuner: :) |
| 18:40.27 | streuner | asg: :-) |
| 18:40.32 | asg | abrotman: nah, I don't think we'll make that trip. |
| 18:40.40 | _oc_ | I have problems installing Debian in an XFS fs environment.. Do I have to use ReiserFS or ext3 ? |
| 18:40.44 | rob_lt | cuti: what was the problem? |
| 18:40.51 | jim | what's the official release time? |
| 18:40.53 | streuner | asg: omg, you are in a really bad mood today |
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| 18:41.08 | abrotman | asg: you suck |
| 18:41.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:41.23 | abrotman | jim: WIR |
| 18:41.24 | asg | abrotman: I know. |
| 18:41.28 | adobbie | how long will woody get security updates? |
| 18:41.30 | paulswm | Quick question, I'm sure I'm not the first one asking it today: if I stick with testing distro and do an upgrade today, it won't be readically different than testing (sarge) was yesterday, is that correct? |
| 18:41.32 | cuti | rob_lt: i didn't reboot haha |
| 18:41.35 | abrotman | adobbie: approx a year |
| 18:41.37 | _oc_ | asg: Do I have to install debian on ext3 / ReiserFS, or can I use XFS? |
| 18:41.38 | streuner | adobbie: 1 year |
| 18:41.45 | abrotman | paulswm: right |
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| 18:41.57 | abrotman | paulswm: testing is frozen |
| 18:42.03 | hool | nvz: did you find 2pac? i need that $10 |
| 18:42.04 | rob_lt | cuti: well, I'm glad everything is working for you (with respect to audio, anyway) |
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| 18:42.12 | cuti | thanks rob_lt :) |
| 18:42.13 | abrotman | paulswm: i think after woody it stayed frozen for a week or so |
| 18:42.14 | koollman | _oc_: you can use xfs |
| 18:42.16 | paulswm | So there hasn't been any flood of upgrades into etch then. |
| 18:42.20 | adobbie | _oc_: you can put it on whatever you want |
| 18:42.27 | abrotman | paulswm: there won't be until testing is unfrozen |
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| 18:42.41 | Assid | heya |
| 18:42.45 | jim | abrotman: there's not a scheduled moment to count down to? |
| 18:42.49 | Assid | wasnt sarge due today? |
| 18:42.55 | adobbie | heh, looks like testing points to etch on ftp.debian.org now |
| 18:42.57 | abrotman | jim: for the reopening of testing ? |
| 18:43.01 | nvz | hool: nope, but when I close my eye's I can picture him rollin, and he told me to go smoke some weed like I was Biggie Smalls |
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| 18:43.06 | Mayhem | Assid, its been an extended labour |
| 18:43.07 | Rickdangerous | what |
| 18:43.13 | rob_lt | Assid: what is this "sarge" that you speak of? |
| 18:43.17 | Rickdangerous | you can evens tarting isnatlling sarge as stable |
| 18:43.20 | paulswm | Thanks, but then when testing is unfrozen, is it likely to be less stable than testing normally is? |
| 18:43.22 | jim | well, effectively yes... but really release time |
| 18:43.23 | Rickdangerous | the email will soon be here |
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| 18:43.26 | Mayhem | looks like we're gonna have to do a Caesarean! |
| 18:43.28 | caphuso | lftp -c 'debug 0; open ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists; ls -ld stable' |
| 18:43.28 | caphuso | lrwxrwxrwx 1 1176 1176 5 Jun 6 20:33 stable@ -> sarge |
| 18:43.37 | Assid | hehe.. |
| 18:43.39 | asg | caphuso: ;) |
| 18:43.41 | abrotman | paulswm: TBH .. i usually avoid the influx immediately after it's unfrozen |
| 18:43.48 | caphuso | we're getting closer and closer :) |
| 18:43.56 | Assid | caphuso: tomorrow? |
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| 18:44.04 | abrotman | i think today |
| 18:44.08 | jim | caphuso: so it's released already?? |
| 18:44.10 | abrotman | and then slashdot will know |
| 18:44.10 | Rickdangerous | caphuso, it's nearly finished |
| 18:44.11 | caphuso | Assid: might depend on the timzone :) |
| 18:44.15 | abrotman | jim: NO .. no email from RM |
| 18:44.15 | hool | nvz: yeah.. problem is that your bong is full of lawn grass and you |
| 18:44.18 | Assid | i gotta sit and provide discs to my friends as soon as i can |
| 18:44.19 | abrotman | err no |
| 18:44.20 | Rickdangerous | jim, de facto yes. ofcically no |
| 18:44.22 | abrotman | err No |
| 18:44.22 | caphuso | jim: as soon as the mail is out |
| 18:44.23 | abrotman | god .. |
| 18:44.23 | Assid | they keep depending on me to get it |
| 18:44.24 | hool | are smallie big |
| 18:44.27 | abrotman | !lart my keyboard |
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| 18:44.32 | jim | ahh |
| 18:44.32 | Assid | stupid dogs.. dont wanna download and help me |
| 18:44.36 | _oc_ | koollman & adobbie: When I format the partitions as XFS (especially root) I cannot install GRUB on it, and Lilo fails with exit code 1 |
| 18:44.41 | jello | caphuso: second-tier mirrors still need to be updated |
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| 18:44.48 | caphuso | jim: but the mirror sync started |
| 18:44.48 | green_earz | jim: the jigdo images are now mark up a 3.1 r0 |
| 18:44.54 | jello | caphuso: first-tier should be all done (or nearly so) |
| 18:44.59 | jim | Assid: do the mirror admins a favor and use jigdo to download |
| 18:45.03 | paulswm | abrotman: Yes, I was planning to do the same, figured that I might get a clearer picture asking the question in here, but evidently not - thanks for your responses. |
| 18:45.05 | gass | Assid: use jigdo and your local mirror |
| 18:45.05 | Assid | oh yes.. |
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| 18:45.07 | adobbie | _oc_: I've only had experience with lilo, perhaps grub doesn't fully work with xfs |
| 18:45.07 | Assid | im planning to |
| 18:45.12 | Assid | local mirror.. useless |
| 18:45.13 | daft | How can i find out wichs program is a zomby becose i have 2 om me server |
| 18:45.15 | _oc_ | koollman: Do I need a separate /boot partition with lilo? |
| 18:45.15 | dondelelcaro | yes, the mirror pulse has just barely started... it will be a while. |
| 18:45.16 | Mayhem | Assid, make sure you 'Be safe, use a torrent' |
| 18:45.16 | Assid | only 2K/sec on that |
| 18:45.17 | Silicon | woof woof |
| 18:45.22 | koollman | _oc_: it worked for me |
| 18:45.22 | jim | good :) already have a jigdo image? |
| 18:45.26 | nvz | hool: heh, this is mostly true.. we did dig up a bong out of the yard, that someone put there years ago before they went to jail.. and I am pretty small.. about 6ft 165lbs |
| 18:45.26 | asg | daft: man ps |
| 18:45.27 | abrotman | paulswm: not clear enough ? |
| 18:45.29 | Rickdangerous | trernts wil be faster!! |
| 18:45.31 | Rickdangerous | torrents* |
| 18:45.35 | dondelelcaro | Rickdangerous: probably not. |
| 18:45.37 | _oc_ | koollman: My partition scheme is on: http://rafb.net/paste/results/wYZ4ZO88.html |
| 18:45.42 | Assid | well.. problem is.. i want a official torrent then |
| 18:45.43 | Mayhem | torrents will fly tonight |
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| 18:45.51 | Rickdangerous | dondelelcaro, good then :) |
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| 18:46.06 | jim | Rickdangerous: maybe, but not nice to mirror admins |
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| 18:46.06 | valdyn | paulswm: one thing that will happen to testing as bigger changes happen is that big chunks of packages may be held back from entering testing ( like whole gnome or whatever ) |
| 18:46.07 | green_earz | jim: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ |
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| 18:46.13 | _oc_ | koollman: Does that look resonable.. I will run a primary partition on Disc 2, not a logical as I mentioned in that paste.. |
| 18:46.14 | paulswm | abrotman: Not as regards testing instability risk after testing unfreezes. |
| 18:46.24 | Assid | i wouldnt mind a torrent to help upload as well |
| 18:46.28 | dondelelcaro | considering that you can pull at upwards of 5MB/s from many mirrors... it's pretty difficult for the overhead of torrent to compete. |
| 18:46.31 | abrotman | paulswm: well .. imagine all that stuff in sid .. flowing in at once :) |
| 18:46.49 | gahan | can postfix possibly cache mysql queries? |
| 18:46.56 | abrotman | postfix the MTA ? |
| 18:46.56 | adobbie | dondelelcaro: took me only a couple minutes go get the DVDs with jigdo :) |
| 18:46.59 | asg | gahan: it should do |
| 18:47.02 | Rickdangerous | dondelelcaro, some mirrors will have less than that because the flood |
| 18:47.05 | paulswm | valdyn: Well that's a good thing from my point of view, I was just trying to get a handle on an greater-than-normal risk of instability in testing, and that impiles there won't be. |
| 18:47.09 | asg | gahan: try #postfix for verification |
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| 18:47.13 | dondelelcaro | Rickdangerous: that's why there's a few hundred of the things. |
| 18:47.21 | gahan | asg: unsuccessfully trying |
| 18:47.22 | Assid | i'd need the dvd iso tho |
| 18:47.28 | Rickdangerous | dondelelcaro, yes, people should use fast ones |
| 18:47.33 | Assid | either i jigdo.. or find a torrent |
| 18:47.35 | paulswm | abrotman: Well sid is unstable, so stuff won't be coming in from sid outside the normal rules |
| 18:47.42 | Choubaka | Hmm, apparently sarge has hit teh mirrors now. |
| 18:47.43 | green_earz | jim: my sarge images 3.1 r0 are now up on ebay as Sarge |
| 18:47.50 | abrotman | paulswm: right .. but everythhing will be up to the 10 day rule .. |
| 18:47.51 | Mayhem | Assid, start at that jigdo link and go up a few dirs |
| 18:47.59 | mae | Could anyone please help me with my DMA problems with the amd74xx module, the details are on: http://rafb.net/paste/results/QS7zLg38.html |
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| 18:48.03 | Rickdangerous | green_earz, congrats. |
| 18:48.05 | Assid | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ <-- this one? |
| 18:48.11 | Mayhem | yup |
| 18:48.17 | jim | gahan: admittedly mysql seems to be catching up... but postgresql is already acid-compliant and ahead of the db game in many ways (not the least of which is ability to do multitask/multiuser without corrupting the db) |
| 18:48.28 | hool | anyone tried ubuntu? |
| 18:48.32 | Assid | 11 discs? |
| 18:48.34 | dondelelcaro | hool: #ubuntu |
| 18:48.38 | thomas_adam | hool: #ubuntu has. |
| 18:48.38 | abrotman | hool: wrong channel |
| 18:48.40 | paulswm | abrotman: I'll stick with testing, just won't do any upgrades for a couple of weeks :) |
| 18:48.59 | Rickdangerous | adsb naula: The mirror push has already started (and finished for tier 1 mirrors) |
| 18:49.04 | Assid | hrmm 2 dvd's.. thats gonna be tough |
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| 18:49.07 | green_earz | Rickdangerous: thanks and they are at good price 2 dvd for £ 3.75 |
| 18:49.14 | Pepper | now I've seen it, I can believe |
| 18:49.20 | asg | Assid: then get a business card iso or netinstall and use that. |
| 18:49.27 | abrotman | paulswm: might as well follow sarge then .. |
| 18:49.28 | hool | bah |
| 18:49.39 | Assid | asg: nah.. im gonna give it to the local LUG if i get it first |
| 18:49.48 | Assid | plus i have 2-3 other friends who take from me |
| 18:49.50 | Mayhem | netinstall and a decent net connection are much more bandwidth efficient |
| 18:49.51 | paulswm | abrotman: I don't see the point on messing with sources.list on all the machines. |
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| 18:50.06 | abrotman | paulswm: oh .. good point .. |
| 18:50.11 | abrotman | paulswm: you must be a developer :) |
| 18:50.12 | mae | is there a channel for debian help? |
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| 18:50.16 | abrotman | mae: this |
| 18:50.17 | asg | mae: this one |
| 18:50.20 | abrotman | err this is |
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| 18:50.49 | paulswm | abrotman: just to switch them all back again, when I can achive the same result by avoiding upgrades for a few days :) |
| 18:50.49 | Yoda | gn8 @ll und möge die Macht mit euch sein ;) |
| 18:50.49 | paulswm | abrotman: Heh |
| 18:50.50 | freakje | hu guys, have a weird problem, my server keeps getting down :s |
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| 18:50.53 | naula | lrwxrwxrwx 1 1176 1176 5 Jun 06 18:33 stable -> sarge |
| 18:50.55 | freakje | it gets disconnected from the net :s |
| 18:50.59 | Assid | hrmm is this gonna download the final : http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/ ??? |
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| 18:51.02 | mae | well then, any idea why I am unable to get DMA going on my nforce2 chipset? .. details are here -> http://rafb.net/paste/results/QS7zLg38.html |
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| 18:51.09 | dondelelcaro | naula: yes... |
| 18:51.16 | Sesse | http://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/Release |
| 18:51.20 | freakje | when i try to ssh i get connection refused, and ifdown eth0 & then ifup eth0 and its back up |
| 18:51.23 | abrotman | no .. it's not out yet! |
| 18:51.23 | TimeKilla | guys, when i'm done setting up xwindows. How can i go about shutting down the machine safely. The documentation said ctrl alt backspace, but it doesn't seem to do anything special? |
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| 18:51.25 | xtension | freakje whats the problem |
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| 18:51.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:51.38 | kalango | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.40 | xtension | freakje oh |
| 18:51.40 | dondelelcaro | TimeKilla: that will just kill X windows |
| 18:51.41 | mirak | does somebody have a Lian Li V1000 PC0 case ? |
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| 18:51.57 | asg | mae: you running hdparm as root? |
| 18:51.58 | Assid | Mayhem: if i download this jigdo .. id have the "final" ? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/ |
| 18:52.01 | mae | TimeKilla: hit log off then click shut down computer if you have xdm/kdm/gdm running, otherwise logoff then ctrl-alt-delete |
| 18:52.03 | TimeKilla | can i just safely power down at the command line when logged in as user or root? |
| 18:52.09 | mae | TimeKilla: err or login as root and do shutdown -r now |
| 18:52.09 | xtension | freakje when you ssh into the server it s ok ? |
| 18:52.14 | mae | asg: yes |
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| 18:52.33 | freakje | when i ssh after ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 it works perfect :s |
| 18:52.36 | valdyn | mae: is this a custom kernel or a debian kernel? |
| 18:52.36 | Mayhem | Assid, I thought you wanted a torrent? |
| 18:52.37 | freakje | and nothing in syslog :s |
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| 18:52.44 | mae | valdyn: stock debian kernel |
| 18:52.53 | Pepper | lrwxr-xr-x 1 ftp nogroup 5 Apr 10 17:07 stable -> woody |
| 18:52.55 | |dennis| | valdyn...lol |
| 18:52.58 | TimeKilla | if i'm logged in as user at the command prompt can i just power it down? |
| 18:53.02 | Assid | Mayhem: hell anything would do.. just want the final |
| 18:53.06 | asg | mae: at the top you talk about your cdrom, at the bottom your hard drive. Which is it? |
| 18:53.10 | |dennis| | oop..wrong channel.... |
| 18:53.11 | xtension | freakje ssh in or shh out ? |
| 18:53.20 | freakje | how you mean ? |
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| 18:53.42 | xtension | freakje ssh in i suppose |
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| 18:54.04 | paulswm | TimeKilla: as root, 'sudo halt' and then you can power down |
| 18:54.15 | xtension | freakje so you have local access to that server too |
| 18:54.17 | richih_ | how many omgwtfdebianisoutlol guys did we have up to now? ;) |
| 18:54.22 | mae | asg: forgive me for that little blunder, but actually all my IDE devices are not functioning with DMA .. only my main hd which is a sata raptor |
| 18:54.25 | asg | richih_: lots |
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| 18:54.29 | freakje | friend of mine yes |
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| 18:54.40 | paulswm | richih_: none of course :P |
| 18:54.43 | freakje | suddenly it goes down |
| 18:54.44 | adobbie | mae: sounds like you don't have the driver loaded then |
| 18:54.47 | richih_ | heh |
| 18:54.53 | freakje | i can't ssh to it anymore etc :s |
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| 18:54.53 | valdyn | mae: i think that driver is loaded, but its not 'driving' anything ( not finding your h/w ) |
| 18:54.58 | freakje | connection refused |
| 18:55.09 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT THE RELEASE. first tier mirrors have transitioned, second tiers on the way. Official announcement has NOT been made yet. | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet |
| 18:55.14 | freakje | if he does ifdown eth0 & ifup eth0, i can ssh again and it works perfect again for few minutes |
| 18:55.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 18:55.16 | freakje | and then again :s |
| 18:55.17 | valdyn | mae: look into the output of 'dmesg' |
| 18:55.18 | mae | valdyn: ya .. :\ well let me unload and reload and see what happens |
| 18:56.00 | valdyn | mae: lspci | grep -i ide |
| 18:56.12 | abrotman | richih_: that's not gonna help you get laid you know ... |
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| 18:56.27 | _oc_ | What is the equivalent of mkfs.xfs /dev/sdb1 ... /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ? |
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| 18:56.45 | freakje | and there it goes again :s |
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| 18:57.00 | richih_ | abrotman: good thing that's not my intention, then :) |
| 18:57.04 | mae | dmesg output : ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx :( |
| 18:57.16 | abrotman | richih_: what kind of boyfriend are you .. not thinking about sex .. yeesh |
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| 18:57.29 | richih_ | abrotman: not when installing debian :p |
| 18:57.41 | valdyn | mae: dmesg | grep -i amd |
| 18:57.47 | mae | 0000:00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) |
| 18:57.50 | lewis | abrotman: i found a motherboard in the end, thanks for your help earlier. |
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| 18:57.53 | xtension | freakje telnet friends.server.address 22 ? |
| 18:57.54 | paulswm | Just don't say that installing debian is better than sex |
| 18:57.55 | abrotman | richih_: oh .. messy keyboard .. eww |
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| 18:58.01 | abrotman | lewis: hiopefully it works for you |
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| 18:58.15 | freakje | telnet ? ssh :) |
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| 18:58.21 | jarek | Hi |
| 18:58.28 | xtension | freakje try this : telnet friends.server.address 22 ? |
| 18:58.37 | lewis | abrotman: was a gigabyte one, with integrated lan/video - working for both 533/400 fsb speeds - shouldn't be a problem. |
| 18:58.47 | adam__ | zambaroo: I know -- crazy isn't it? |
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| 18:58.50 | mae | valdyn: nothing for amd in dmesg but i did get ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx :( |
| 18:58.58 | adam__ | heheh |
| 18:59.00 | abrotman | lewis: don't forget to pray :) |
| 18:59.01 | freakje | he did ifup again now |
| 18:59.11 | freakje | so working for few minutes :p |
| 18:59.16 | lewis | abrotman: heh |
| 18:59.17 | abrotman | god damnit .. fucking EU |
| 18:59.18 | kpanic | so sarge is released guys? I've seen on ftp.debian.org |
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| 18:59.24 | abrotman | kpanic: /topic |
| 18:59.30 | SEPhiroTH | yep |
| 18:59.31 | _oc_ | koollman & adobbie: should I install LILO to /dev/sda or /dev/sdb1? with /dev/sda i get an exit with error code 1.. but that is the MBR option.. I have previously read that you need to install LILO on MBR if you run with XFS root fs.. ? |
| 18:59.33 | valdyn | mae: that is output from the generic ide driver afaik. that wont get you dma |
| 18:59.33 | kpanic | ok :) |
| 18:59.41 | kpanic | sorry |
| 18:59.50 | Mayhem | ahh, the subtle difference between 'available' and 'released' |
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| 19:00.07 | valdyn | mae: which kernel are you running? |
| 19:00.21 | scaver | Edit /etc/X11/XftConfig and add a line like <-- reading a tute here, but i doesnt have that file, is that file in "old" debian systems? im using sarge. |
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| 19:00.30 | simonrvn | ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release |
| 19:00.31 | adobbie | _oc_: don't install LILO to the boot sector on an XFS partition |
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| 19:00.52 | error403 | w00t |
| 19:00.56 | error403 | RELEASED! |
| 19:00.59 | error403 | anywa... |
| 19:01.01 | pusling | error403: not yet |
| 19:01.01 | mae | valdyn: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 19:01.03 | agrathwohl | Hi guys. I am having trouble starting X. It is giving me a "Caugh signal 11", but no actual error, which is troubling me. |
| 19:01.09 | error403 | but the title? |
| 19:01.10 | sdb__ | :) |
| 19:01.15 | SEPhiroTH | ftp link is now changed to sarge :) |
| 19:01.17 | abrotman | error403: no email from the RM |
| 19:01.29 | simonrvn | pusling: read the file i just pasted. nothing official though |
| 19:01.33 | xtension | simonrvn what does that mean ? |
| 19:01.36 | simonrvn | yet |
| 19:01.36 | agrathwohl | Does anybody know what I can do? |
| 19:01.37 | thomas_adam | agrathwohl: And you've looked in /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 19:01.41 | pusling | simonrvn: I know |
| 19:01.42 | scaver | Edit /etc/X11/XftConfig and add a line like <-- reading a tute here, but i doesnt have that file, is that file in "old" debian systems? im using sarge. |
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| 19:01.52 | agrathwohl | thomas_adam: I'll show you what it says |
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| 19:02.05 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you asked for a paste? :) |
| 19:02.10 | thomas_adam | Nope. |
| 19:02.13 | jim | toothpaste! |
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| 19:02.27 | error403 | if i have changed all my sources from 'testing' to 'sarge' will it work anyway? |
| 19:02.27 | thomas_adam | agrathwohl: That had better be via paster, or a pastebin. |
| 19:02.35 | thomas_adam | error403: Yup. |
| 19:02.37 | Angelo-_ | is testing going to become etch today? |
| 19:02.39 | agrathwohl | thomas_adam: LOL, of course - no flooding here. |
| 19:02.40 | error403 | w00t |
| 19:02.46 | Ronin | error403: hasnt killed my toy laptop yet having done that |
| 19:02.48 | freakje | ok xtension: it went down again: try'ed telnet theserver 22, but i get connection refused |
| 19:02.50 | abrotman | Angelo-_: not likely |
| 19:02.52 | simonrvn | Angelo-_: very soon |
| 19:02.58 | simonrvn | but not today |
| 19:03.01 | _oc_ | adobbie: my choices are /dev/sda (Master Boot Record) and /dev/sdb1 (New Debian Partition) and Other choice (Advanced) |
| 19:03.03 | thomas_adam | RSN, like it has been for the last few months now. |
| 19:03.03 | abrotman | Angelo-_: iirc from woody release .. it was about a week alter |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | err week later |
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| 19:03.09 | pusling | Angelo-_: on ftp.debian.org, yes |
| 19:03.13 | mwilson | Gods, what does bt do for you if there's no one else downloading the thing... |
| 19:03.17 | agrathwohl | thomas_adam: The log stops at "initializing GLX" - is my nvidia glx driver to blame? The module is loaded and everything. |
| 19:03.24 | abrotman | mwilson: not a thing ? |
| 19:03.25 | xtension | freakje weird situation you hvae there |
| 19:03.25 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:03.27 | thomas_adam | agrathwohl: Could well be, yes. |
| 19:03.32 | mwilson | Oh, there we go, it finally found someone. |
| 19:03.33 | adobbie | _oc_: sda is good |
| 19:03.43 | DwyaneWade | hey i installed openssl and created /etc/ssl folder. shouldn't it add the oppenssl headers' folder? |
| 19:03.43 | scaver | so sarge is going stable?? just got a headache with getting alsa to work here, and i installed it on friday.. |
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| 19:03.54 | Trewas | testing seems to be already etch, http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Release |
| 19:03.56 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: no |
| 19:03.59 | mirak | what a loser |
| 19:04.00 | freakje | indeed |
| 19:04.00 | freakje | :s |
| 19:04.03 | thomas_adam | agrathwohl: And you've, of course, tried something different? |
| 19:04.06 | jim | scaver: that seems to be two different things :) |
| 19:04.11 | mirak | I unplugued my network cable instead of usb |
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| 19:04.16 | _oc_ | adobbie: I get an "LILO installation failed" "Running "/sbin/lilo" failed with error code "1"." when choosing sda |
| 19:04.16 | agrathwohl | thomas_adam: Yeah, I've tried vesa - same thing. |
| 19:04.16 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: read /topic |
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| 19:04.24 | abrotman | i only used alsa because it would do duplex |
| 19:04.25 | xtension | freakje maybe he s on dynamic ip and reconnecting ? |
| 19:04.32 | thomas_adam | agrathwohl: What does "lspci" say about your graphics card? |
| 19:04.42 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: I know, somebody just asked whether testing would be etch today |
| 19:04.45 | adobbie | mwilson: are you using emu10k1? |
| 19:04.47 | xtension | freakje but that cannot be because the server is there :/ |
| 19:04.48 | agrathwohl | thomas_adam: I'll see if it says anything peculiar |
| 19:04.52 | PerlSaiyan | why is etch testing and not sarge? |
| 19:05.02 | thomas_adam | agrathwohl: No, I'd like you to tell me what it says regardless, please. |
| 19:05.03 | SEPhiroTH | BECAUSE SARGE IS NOW STABLE |
| 19:05.03 | xtension | freakje it s refusing the connection |
| 19:05.14 | PerlSaiyan | errr, sorry , meant sid :) |
| 19:05.16 | DwyaneWade | abrotman: so what did it do then? |
| 19:05.18 | _oc_ | adobbie: I did an advanced option, and chose /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc instead of host0, seemed like it worked.. |
| 19:05.28 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: you need the .. uhm libssl-dev pacages .. |
| 19:05.29 | freakje | indeed dynamic ip, but if he does ifup, still same ip |
| 19:05.34 | agrathwohl | thomas_adam: Okay, I appologize. How would I go about pasting such a thing into my IRC program? |
| 19:05.35 | jim | SEPhiroTH: maybe, you see the release message in list debian-announce? |
| 19:05.37 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: apt-cache search libssl | grep dev |
| 19:05.41 | PerlSaiyan | i thought sid would be the next testing |
| 19:05.42 | xtension | freakje thats not dynamic then |
| 19:05.49 | _oc_ | adobbie: I guess host2 is /dev/sdb and /dev/sda isn't used |
| 19:05.50 | xtension | freakje thats fixed ip , adsl ? |
| 19:05.51 | thomas_adam | agrathwohl: http://rafb.net/paste, will be fine. |
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| 19:06.02 | valdyn | mae: i think that device should be supported fine, *maybe* dma is disabled in your bios, *maybe* using a different kernel helps |
| 19:06.04 | freakje | not fixxed ip |
| 19:06.07 | agrathwohl | thomas_adam: Okay. Thank you. |
| 19:06.09 | abrotman | PerlSaiyan: no .. Etch will be .. sid is always unstable |
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| 19:06.14 | PerlSaiyan | ah, cool |
| 19:06.19 | freakje | not because you disconnect for few seconds it changes ip |
| 19:06.21 | PerlSaiyan | i didnt realize that |
| 19:06.23 | jim | SEPhiroTH: well? |
| 19:06.29 | cantona | etch no x86-64? |
| 19:06.33 | mae | valdyn: ok .. well .. its gotta be a soft problem because i just had a different distro on here and dma was up and running no prob |
| 19:06.34 | abrotman | cantona: no |
| 19:06.41 | abrotman | cantona: oh .. for etch ? |
| 19:06.44 | mae | valdyn: i'll try another kernel |
| 19:06.49 | xtension | freakje so it s always another ip ? |
| 19:06.49 | valdyn | mae: then its a kernel problem |
| 19:06.52 | cantona | abrotman, yes |
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| 19:07.07 | cantona | abrotman: Architectures: alpha arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc -> http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release |
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| 19:07.37 | richih_ | i just burned the current business card and when i try boot with either install or install26 it tells me it can't find the image |
| 19:07.40 | mwilson | Hm, I suppose I should grab the two DVD images... |
| 19:07.41 | valdyn | cantona: amd64 is not officiallly in debian so it cannot ( yet ) be in that list |
| 19:07.47 | richih_ | which is.. strange? |
| 19:07.54 | Tomek | topic |
| 19:07.55 | Tomek | oops |
| 19:08.04 | xtension | freakje ok so he s reconnecting i think |
| 19:08.05 | abrotman | cantona: should be decided later .. not yet |
| 19:08.13 | xtension | freakje i just verified the error |
| 19:08.14 | DwyaneWade | abrotman: it says: libdcmtk0-dev - The OFFIS DICOM toolkit development libraries and headers |
| 19:08.14 | DwyaneWade | libssl-dev - SSL development libraries, header files and documentation |
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| 19:08.24 | DwyaneWade | should i install both? |
| 19:08.25 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: the second |
| 19:08.25 | freakje | and what can cause that ? |
| 19:08.37 | abrotman | cantona: i'd be very surprised if x86_64 didn't get into etch |
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| 19:08.43 | _oc_ | adobbie: I get the error "XFS mounting filesystem sdb1 \ pivot_root: No such file or directory \ /sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file \ Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 19:08.49 | abrotman | though .. i was surprised it didn't get into sarge |
| 19:09.10 | _oc_ | any suggestions anyone? |
| 19:09.23 | mae | valdyn: i guess i could revert to an earlier version. |
| 19:09.40 | valdyn | mae: sure |
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| 19:09.43 | xtension | freakje might be his isp |
| 19:09.47 | valdyn | mae: or a random kernel from sid |
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| 19:09.57 | valdyn | mae: err, a random 2.6.x kernel from sid |
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| 19:09.58 | Rickyx | How easy is it to migrate to LVM ? |
| 19:10.03 | mwilson | Let's see how long it takes to download CD #1 |
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| 19:10.20 | freakje | and how to make he gets connected again without doing ifdown eth0 & ifup eth0 ? |
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| 19:10.28 | arnon | what kind of filesystem should I use for var and tmp ? is ext2 good enough ? |
| 19:10.40 | thomas_adam | arnon: ext3, if anything. |
| 19:10.42 | mwilson | arnon: Yes. |
| 19:10.44 | arnon | or is it neccesary to have them on ext3 / journaling things |
| 19:10.46 | thomas_adam | arnon: Why does it matter? |
| 19:10.46 | valdyn | arnon: define 'good enough' |
| 19:10.48 | cmatei | _oc_: are you sure you have the correct root ? |
| 19:10.48 | abrotman | arnon: are you going to use databases ? |
| 19:10.53 | mwilson | Why would you waste your time journaling /tmp ? |
| 19:10.53 | Empty | arnon, ext2/3, I would use 3 |
| 19:11.00 | arnon | abrotman, yes will use postgresql |
| 19:11.05 | abrotman | i'd use ext3 |
| 19:11.05 | _oc_ | arnon: ext3 for /var .. ext2 is is faster and very ok for /tmp |
| 19:11.09 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:11.24 | arnon | ok I will put ext2 for tmp |
| 19:11.31 | abrotman | tmp could be fat32 i suppose |
| 19:11.32 | mae | valdyn: ya i'll try that. |
| 19:11.43 | _oc_ | ext2 beats ext3 in any performance test.. |
| 19:11.49 | xtension | freakje might be many things , its difficult to conclude on this for me |
| 19:11.50 | Mayhem | put /tmp on tmpfs ;) |
| 19:11.53 | Empty | abrotman, does fat32 support sticky bit? O_o |
| 19:12.05 | abrotman | Empty: oh .. yeah .. doubt it .. forgot about that |
| 19:12.10 | mwilson | Mayhem: Thank you, I have far better things to do with RAM. |
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| 19:12.41 | freakje | the problem is it doesn't show anything in logs :s |
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| 19:12.59 | xtension | freakje first you check whether his ip _is_ changing |
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| 19:13.16 | _oc_ | cmatei: Im not sure.. I think so.. seems like my two disks are on /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc .. or /dev/scsi/host2/target{0,1}/bus0/lun0/disc |
| 19:13.19 | Empty | If I were a maliscious hacker I think my favorite thing in the world would be to chattr +a /var/log/* |
| 19:13.26 | freakje | if its down for +30min or smth |
| 19:13.26 | Empty | malicious even |
| 19:13.30 | freakje | when ip gets released |
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| 19:13.51 | xtension | Empty to accomplish what ? |
| 19:13.55 | sobersabre | guys... what is the net throughput I should expect on NFSv3 over Gigabit Ethernet ? |
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| 19:13.58 | mwilson | Ok, that's one box now on stable... |
| 19:14.11 | Rawplayer | so sarge is out? |
| 19:14.13 | cmatei | _oc_: try booting from some rescue/installer disk and find out which disk your root fs is supposed to be on |
| 19:14.14 | adobbie | sobersabre: whatever your harddrives and CPU can handle |
| 19:14.16 | Empty | xtension, newbie admins having their HDs fill and fill and fill and not be able to figure out how to kill the logs |
| 19:14.16 | Rawplayer | but not announced yet |
| 19:14.17 | abrotman | Rawplayer: /topic |
| 19:14.19 | Sesse | sobersabre: I've pushed 6-700mbit/sec on it, iirc |
| 19:14.23 | Rawplayer | yes abrotman |
| 19:14.25 | abrotman | Rawplayer: basically .. |
| 19:14.30 | sdb__ | Rawplayer: that's pretty much it |
| 19:14.30 | Rawplayer | k :) |
| 19:14.33 | xtension | Empty no exactly :) |
| 19:14.36 | abrotman | Rawplayer: giong to mirrors .. no email yet |
| 19:14.41 | cmatei | _oc_: if sdb1 is the correct root, i'm afraid your system is pretty hosed :) |
| 19:14.44 | xtension | Empty no, exactly :) |
| 19:14.59 | _oc_ | cmatei: just did.. its definately /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
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| 19:15.03 | Rawplayer | last mail is from 2-6-2005 |
| 19:15.04 | sobersabre | Sesse, adobbie, I mean empirically ( not theoretically ) from YOUR experience. |
| 19:15.08 | Rawplayer | (r6) |
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| 19:15.18 | Sesse | sobersabre: my numbers were empiric. |
| 19:15.21 | xtension | Empty a malicious hacker would want to change the logs |
| 19:15.25 | sobersabre | Sesse: NFS not FTP |
| 19:15.31 | sdb__ | etch appears to exist, in some form... |
| 19:15.37 | Empty | xtension, I am jokiong here... |
| 19:15.39 | goron | Wow, evolution should get a price for it's user unfriendlyness |
| 19:15.39 | sobersabre | right ? |
| 19:15.40 | cmatei | _oc_: or, perhaps, you have devfs ? |
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| 19:15.49 | Empty | xtension, about fun problems to throw into other people laps |
| 19:15.52 | Sesse | sobersabre: yes, so? |
| 19:15.52 | adobbie | sobersabre: you could reach the limit of your PCI bus |
| 19:16.14 | xtension | Empty dont sound like a problem to me anyway |
| 19:16.22 | Empty | goron, why? outlook express is free too |
| 19:16.27 | sobersabre | Sesse: what storage have you used for the above numbers ? |
| 19:16.32 | abrotman | beth: have you been hiding lately ? |
| 19:16.35 | _oc_ | cmatei: IMHO, Debian Sarge installer should bloody well take care of providing devfs in the kernel.. i use "linux26" option when I install Sarge... |
| 19:16.38 | xtension | Empty please dont use that language here |
| 19:16.40 | freakje | whats best dhcp client btw ? |
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| 19:16.45 | Sesse | sobersabre: 10000rpm SCSI disks, but it was served from cache anyhow |
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| 19:16.49 | adobbie | _oc_: why would you want to use devfs? |
| 19:16.51 | goron | Empty: If I could ban you, I would. |
| 19:16.51 | abrotman | unless it's a different beth |
| 19:16.57 | Empty | xtension most new admins wn't know chattr, so their logs will be un-rmable and un-rotatable, they will jsut grow and grow and grow and grow |
| 19:16.57 | cormster | any torrents out yet? |
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| 19:17.04 | cramm | guys, i'm not going to ask about sarge release |
| 19:17.12 | beth | abrotman: yes |
| 19:17.15 | xtension | Empty they re _not_ sysadmins |
| 19:17.16 | beth | I mean, shhh! |
| 19:17.19 | cramm | but i going to post this url instead : http://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/Release |
| 19:17.21 | goron | In general evolution is pretty userfriendly. |
| 19:17.23 | abrotman | beth: you were in jersey .. same one ? |
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| 19:17.39 | freakje | whats best dhcp client ? dhcp of dhcp3 ? |
| 19:17.45 | arnon | what partition should I use for /usr/local ? ext2 or ext3 ? |
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| 19:17.50 | mwilson | cramm: So? |
| 19:17.50 | fueL\ | cramm... it's been posted... see topic |
| 19:17.51 | sobersabre | Sesse: I get really BAD numbers. |
| 19:17.57 | cramm | omg |
| 19:18.00 | xtension | freakje higher numbers are in general newer version |
| 19:18.01 | cmatei | _oc_: sorry, haven't used the sarge installer recently |
| 19:18.02 | nostradam | newbiequestion: current sources.list looks like this:deb ftp://ftp.debian.nl/debian/ stable main non-free contrib if I install Sarge would it be enough to change Stable to Sarge in order to get stable sarge packeges? |
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| 19:18.06 | sobersabre | Sesse: can i talk to you privately ( about NFS ) ? |
| 19:18.08 | cramm | the topic has changed :) |
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| 19:18.21 | Empty | nostradam, yes |
| 19:18.27 | valdyn | nostradam: "stable" will pull sarge once sarge is released |
| 19:18.27 | xtension | nostradam linux is case sensitive |
| 19:18.29 | cramm | congrats and thanks to everybody involved ! |
| 19:18.31 | nvz | my login proceedure is way too long, I need to configure stuffs. I keep logging into wmaker when I use sawfish. Because for some reason sawfish isnt on my sessions menu anymore. |
| 19:18.33 | Empty | nostradam, except "sarge", all lowercase |
| 19:18.38 | valdyn | nostradam: so you do not need to change anything |
| 19:18.42 | mwilson | Hm, grab the first two CD's and then both DVD's, I suppose. |
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| 19:18.53 | Empty | nostradam, note that either way you will upgrade from woody to sarge |
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| 19:19.05 | _oc_ | adobbie: the sarge installer use devfs |
| 19:19.15 | streuner | heh |
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| 19:19.32 | Rickdangerous | RELEASED THIS TIME :-) EMAIL HAS SENT, PARTY TIME! |
| 19:19.40 | Rickdangerous | nevermind |
| 19:19.44 | Rickdangerous | jvw has changed the topic to: Sarge is released -- announcement should be on debian-announce within hours |
| 19:19.45 | jasoncohen | this is strange. i just installed a testing machine on my father's desktop and apt-cache search gaim is showing gaim-gnome which is only in stable |
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| 19:19.47 | xtension | Rickdangerous hahahaha |
| 19:19.51 | nostradam | Thanks for the info guys, xtension: sorry..like I said newby question ;) |
| 19:19.58 | Rickdangerous | don't laugh :) |
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| 19:20.20 | nforbes | YAY SARGE |
| 19:20.21 | sdb__ | okay, if anyone wants to carry on running woody, REPLACE "stable" WITH "woody" BEFORE YOU NEXT UPGRADE |
| 19:20.23 | xtension | !beer Rickdangerous |
| 19:20.27 | Napfton | congratz to the dev drew of debian :) |
| 19:20.33 | xtension | !couch Rickdangerous |
| 19:20.36 | ilRas | how do i know which alsa module has been loaded for my soundcard? |
| 19:20.43 | Rickdangerous | xtension, thanks :) |
| 19:20.43 | sdb__ | (sorry for caps) |
| 19:20.48 | deadcat | Napfton: shutup |
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| 19:20.55 | valdyn | ilRas: lsmod |
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| 19:21.09 | nvz | sarge is going to release alright.. relase napalm and mortar on Rickdangerous |
| 19:21.11 | ilRas | valdyn: nice, thank you |
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| 19:21.21 | _oc_ | adobbie: devfs vs regular dev nodes are just other names for numbered devices.. i.e. 2:0:1 is /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/part1 or /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:21.28 | Rickdangerous | nvz, why ? :) |
| 19:21.32 | nforbes | Is sid going to be pushed down to testing? |
| 19:21.34 | _oc_ | adobbie: AFAIK. |
| 19:21.35 | xtension | Rickdangerous take a break |
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| 19:21.44 | adobbie | _oc_: devfs is obsolete |
| 19:21.51 | nvz | why does a fucking release date on a project like debian concern you :p |
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| 19:21.58 | valdyn | !tell nforbes about sid |
| 19:22.00 | Napfton | i didnt talk to u deadcat, did i? so please shut _you_ up |
| 19:22.01 | valdyn | !etch |
| 19:22.02 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases> |
| 19:22.05 | _oc_ | adobbie: then why does the Sarge installer use it? |
| 19:22.05 | MoDaX | nfc: sid will be unstable forever; next testing is named etch |
| 19:22.50 | _oc_ | adobbie: NOT MY FAULT!!! |
| 19:22.50 | nforbes | valdyn, ah :) |
| 19:22.51 | deadcat | Napfton: no i wont shut the fuck up. make me bitch |
| 19:22.51 | adobbie | _oc_: there isn't anything constructive for me to say about that |
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| 19:22.51 | Napfton | deadcat: bite me |
| 19:22.51 | deadcat | Napfton: i think that shutup was for nforbes |
| 19:22.54 | ilRas | valdyn: but those are the kernel mods, not the alsa mods |
| 19:22.54 | Napfton | mkay |
| 19:22.57 | justin | so what do I get for winning the sarge pool? :-) |
| 19:23.00 | jbmigel | anyone know how to configure X-chat to launch firefox rather than epiphany when i click "open in browser" on a link here... this is the only app that launches epiphany |
| 19:23.01 | Napfton | then its ok |
| 19:23.07 | nforbes | deadcat, Haha, sorry |
| 19:23.08 | deadcat | Napfton: oh ya. definately for nforbes (= |
| 19:23.14 | nforbes | :p |
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| 19:23.21 | xtension | jbmigel ask #debian-kde |
| 19:23.34 | valdyn | ilRas: any hardware driver is a kernel, module, even if its produced by the alsa developers |
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| 19:23.39 | jbmigel | xtension i am not running kde |
| 19:23.47 | xtension | jbmigel ask #xchat |
| 19:23.48 | Angelo-_ | why does bugs.debian.org still show 27 release critical bugs, i thought that had to be 0 for a release |
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| 19:24.04 | jbmigel | xtension epiphany is the default browser in gnome 2.8 |
| 19:24.11 | deadcat | sarge release concerns me because i have loads of company stocks |
| 19:24.24 | xtension | jbmigel ok |
| 19:24.27 | snooo | i take it work on etch hasn't started yet? |
| 19:24.28 | xophEr | jbmigel, settings -> advanced -> url handlers |
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| 19:24.38 | streuner | release annoucement is on the way... |
| 19:24.42 | spunz | http://people.debian.org/~joey/stuff/debian-announce.txt |
| 19:24.42 | Rickdangerous | later guts I'm onf |
| 19:24.45 | streuner | sarge is out! |
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| 19:24.54 | Bac9 | is there a difference betwwen apache-ssl and apache+apache-mod-ssl? |
| 19:24.56 | jbmigel | xophEr er, settings? |
| 19:25.01 | Rickdangerous | streuner, ha ha ha |
| 19:25.04 | Granden | Now I got debian installed |
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| 19:25.07 | Granden | ops |
| 19:25.09 | Granden | wrong channel |
| 19:25.16 | Rickdangerous | streuner, are we in a bet? |
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| 19:25.18 | valdyn | snooo: it started long ago |
| 19:25.32 | jbmigel | xophEr ah i see it thanks!! |
| 19:25.40 | xophEr | jbmigel, ah, good, np :) |
| 19:25.46 | Rickdangerous | Congratulations to all. have a nic release :) |
| 19:25.54 | sdb__ | snooo: err, work on etch is in unstable :) |
| 19:25.58 | snooo | valdyn: when will it be safe to switch from sarge to testing? |
| 19:25.59 | snooo | moh |
| 19:26.00 | nvz | justin: a high-velocity flame thrower, one pair of boots in case the shit gets too deep, and a Sarge action figure made out of recycled plastic with no moving parts and lots of sharp edges |
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| 19:26.15 | snooo | sdb__: farynuff |
| 19:26.16 | sdb__ | snooo: so "yes" and "no" depending on how you look at it |
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| 19:26.30 | valdyn | snooo: testing is define as testing, ( see debian.org for details ), not as "safe" |
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| 19:26.51 | ZorroPlateado | i have samba server, i use pdbedit -C "maximum password age" and when i create an machine account i see Password must change: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:13:26 GMT. Could be machine accounts are blocked with this time? |
| 19:27.03 | snooo | um |
| 19:27.15 | snooo | what i mean is |
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| 19:27.22 | jasoncohen | snooo, testing is generally quite stable. what will you be using it for? |
| 19:27.37 | snooo | jasoncohen: just a desktop environment, its not mission critical or anything |
| 19:27.38 | sdb__ | snooo, I guess the most important thing about the sarge release is that we can start working on etch |
| 19:27.40 | justin | so now would probably be a good time to add 'deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free' eh? :-) |
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| 19:28.29 | xophEr | If my /etc/apt/sources.list has 'testing' as the repos, will I even need to change anything, or will it upgrade automatically? |
| 19:28.31 | jasoncohen | unstable might get quite unstable due to all the changes - xorg, kde, and gnome probably will go in shortly but testing should be fine |
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| 19:28.32 | snooo | i like having bleeding edge stuff tho |
| 19:28.32 | snooo | tho ppl have scared me off sid before |
| 19:28.32 | deadcat | snooo: #gentoo |
| 19:28.32 | bbrazil | xophEr: that will leave you on testing |
| 19:28.32 | sdb__ | snooo, yeah I prefer to have slightly less than bleeding edge |
| 19:28.38 | sdb__ | snooo, I.e. a compromise between bleeding edge and it actually working :) |
| 19:28.44 | sobersabre | how strong nfs depends on dns ? |
| 19:28.44 | jasoncohen | snooo, i would use testing and just take the selected packes from unstable that you need |
| 19:28.46 | snooo | sdb__: yeah that sounds about right |
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| 19:29.21 | jasoncohen | i switched my mythtv backend to sarge though...easier to maintain + security updates |
| 19:29.22 | snooo | if i switch to testing in say... a week or something, things arent going to stop working? |
| 19:29.23 | sdb__ | so long as I can submit patches and see them in testing at some point, I'm happy. |
| 19:29.24 | xophEr | bbrazil, yes, but testing was sarge, so It'll upgrade to etch(if thats what the new testing is called) automatically? |
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| 19:29.34 | jasoncohen | snooo, what are you using now? |
| 19:29.34 | valdyn | xophEr: yes |
| 19:29.41 | snooo | jasoncohen: sarge |
| 19:29.49 | xophEr | allright, so no need to change anything :) |
| 19:29.50 | deadcat | snooo: sarge IS testing |
| 19:29.51 | jasoncohen | just change to testing and you'll get new packages automatically |
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| 19:29.53 | bbrazil | xophEr: something like that |
| 19:30.04 | bd_ | deadcat: Not for much longer, it isn't. |
| 19:30.07 | sdb__ | snooo: hmm, I dunno... I should imagine etch's development will be a bit furious at first... |
| 19:30.10 | snooo | deadcat: sarge is stable, m8 :D |
| 19:30.11 | deadcat | bd_: i said IS |
| 19:30.15 | mrwill | I'm having trouble installing zope on sarge, says post-installation script returned error 22 |
| 19:30.18 | abrotman | oh .. he finally left ? |
| 19:30.21 | valdyn | sdb__: it cant be really.. |
| 19:30.26 | scaver | is it any commands to restart my xfree server? ctrl shift backspace isnt working (think that did the trick last time i used linux) |
| 19:30.28 | sdb__ | snooo: I wouldn't expect any major breakage though |
| 19:30.29 | drewc | I just tried to install postgres on a fresh sarge and its broken (debug_level unrecognized). is this a know bug or should i report it? |
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| 19:30.33 | snooo | okies |
| 19:30.34 | Dave2 | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 19:30.37 | bd_ | deadcat: True, but since it's frozen now it might as well be stable by this point. |
| 19:30.46 | sdb__ | valdyn: I dunno, when's xorg going in, for example? |
| 19:30.49 | snooo | i'll prolly stick with sarge for the time being now |
| 19:30.50 | nvz | drewc: in either case, the answer is bugs.debian.org |
| 19:30.55 | deadcat | snooo: check your sources.list file to be sure |
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| 19:30.57 | bd_ | And, on the first tier mirrors, it _is_ stable. |
| 19:31.00 | jasoncohen | snooo, right now sarge and testing are the same thing |
| 19:31.05 | snooo | deadcat: its set up for sarge |
| 19:31.14 | deadcat | snooo: k. |
| 19:31.14 | nvz | drewc: the proceedure is as follows, look to see if its there, if not report it. |
| 19:31.15 | jasoncohen | snooo, once stuff starts going into testing they will diverge |
| 19:31.17 | LordNazgul | how does one know what a first-tier mirror it is versus a second-tier mirror. |
| 19:31.20 | jasoncohen | *into unstable |
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| 19:31.24 | Rickyx | can we use LVM on a already partitioned harddrive ? |
| 19:31.27 | snooo | okies |
| 19:31.45 | drewc | nvz: thanks :) |
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| 19:31.49 | nvz | Rickyx: that depends who is we? I want paid extra if its not someone I know |
| 19:31.59 | jasoncohen | snooo, just stick with testing if you want new packages. sarge will not give new versions of packages until etch is released in 12-18+ months |
| 19:32.09 | Rickyx | nvz: Okay! My mistake. That we is me. |
| 19:32.14 | abrotman | LordNazgul: probably ftp.xx.debian.org vs the others |
| 19:32.21 | sdb__ | jasoncohen: except that sarge has security fixes and testing doesn't |
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| 19:32.22 | LordNazgul | Thanks. |
| 19:32.26 | xophEr | When etch goes testing, whats the difference if I have testing or etch in my sources.list ? |
| 19:32.35 | valdyn | xophEr: none |
| 19:32.38 | Rickyx | xophEr: nothing |
| 19:32.40 | jasoncohen | sdb__, true- but he says he wants "bleeding edge" and he's too new to use unstable |
| 19:32.48 | snooo | :D |
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| 19:32.51 | valdyn | xophEr: to be precise: none till etch releases |
| 19:32.54 | xophEr | just checking :) |
| 19:32.55 | snooo | i'm not that new... a few months now |
| 19:32.56 | xophEr | thanks |
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| 19:33.05 | sdb__ | jasoncohen: yup. so the best advice is to stick with sarge until etch gets somewhere, right? |
| 19:33.10 | snooo | jasoncohen: not bleeding edge really... just new packages |
| 19:33.15 | snooo | tbh |
| 19:33.19 | nvz | xophEr: virtually nothing.. if the links arent updated right away, or etch doesnt release yet |
| 19:33.20 | CorrsFan | sdb__: I thought testing would have security updates now? with the testing-security infrastructure that took 6 monts ;) ? |
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| 19:33.23 | valdyn | sdb__: i dont think that is how it works |
| 19:33.43 | deadcat | is it that hard to understand the stable/testing/unstable/woody/sarge/etch/sid thing? or they just morons? |
| 19:33.45 | jasoncohen | yeah...testing *might* get security updates |
| 19:33.48 | jasoncohen | no one really knows |
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| 19:33.54 | R0ckET | hi |
| 19:34.03 | sdb__ | CorrsFan: *shrug* -- yes, I was suprised too |
| 19:34.08 | jasoncohen | deadcat, it doesn't seem hard |
| 19:34.12 | valdyn | sdb__: testing will be in a roughly same "state" till the release process for etch starts ( and parts get frozen ) |
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| 19:34.27 | jasoncohen | deadcat, they could always just read the descriptions on debian.org |
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| 19:34.34 | deadcat | jasoncohen: but lately 1/2 of the questions are about that |
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| 19:34.57 | jasoncohen | deadcat, people don't understand that sid stays sid...that's the biggest confusion |
| 19:35.05 | sdb__ | valdyn: sorry, do you mean "sane state"? |
| 19:35.08 | shingouz | jasoncohen: don't you see the problem with your statement? you mean that people would actually *think* |
| 19:35.09 | djblazen | what do I have to to do to get apt to update woody to sarge? |
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| 19:35.25 | xtension | shingouz exactly |
| 19:35.25 | deadcat | !tell djblazen about woody->sarge |
| 19:35.27 | valdyn | sdb__: no, "same" or "similar" |
| 19:35.28 | Granden | How do I start irssi after running apt-get install irssi-text? |
| 19:35.29 | snooo | u're all so jaded :-D |
| 19:35.35 | snooo | Granden: irssi |
| 19:35.36 | jasoncohen | shingouz, not thinking so much as not being lazy bastards |
| 19:35.39 | sdb__ | valdyn: to what, then? |
| 19:35.42 | Granden | I tried that |
| 19:35.44 | Granden | dont start |
| 19:35.53 | deadcat | Granden: irssi -c irc.freenode.net |
| 19:35.56 | nvz | we've done this all before folks.. you remember this time back in 2002? |
| 19:35.57 | shingouz | Granden: dpkg -L irssi-text and look for the binary |
| 19:35.58 | valdyn | sdb__: 1 week after sarge release it should be any less or more stable than 6 months after sarge release |
| 19:36.08 | jbmigel | I dont know why they have "testing" and "stable" aliases on servers anyway... shouldnt it ALWAYS be by name then no confusion?? |
| 19:36.15 | deadcat | nvz: no. i wasnt here then (= |
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| 19:36.21 | shingouz | nvz: i was still on potato back then... |
| 19:36.23 | valdyn | sdb__: 1 week after sarge release it should *not* be any less or more stable than 6 months after sarge release |
| 19:36.26 | R0ckET | information of etch??? |
| 19:36.33 | nvz | do we have to talk this much about the release when people who know whats going on are still having normal every day issues, and need help? |
| 19:36.33 | sdb__ | valdyn: yes, but without security fixes, right? |
| 19:36.40 | valdyn | sdb__: right |
| 19:36.45 | sdb__ | valdyn: that's what I'm getting at |
| 19:36.46 | deadcat | nvz: march 2003 was my debian days |
| 19:36.50 | shingouz | !beer nvz |
| 19:36.57 | error403 | lol |
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| 19:37.05 | Granden | I got many htings up when I wrote dpkh -L irssi-text what should I do now? |
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| 19:37.10 | abrotman | help .. my debian accidentally installed suse |
| 19:37.13 | error403 | is there anything the bot DOESNT do? |
| 19:37.15 | resiak | Granden: Run irssi ? |
| 19:37.16 | djblazen | where can i get a listing of the basic source.list i only have one line in my sources.list that referance security.debian.org |
| 19:37.19 | snooo | so testing-security or whatever its called hasn't started providing any security patches yet? |
| 19:37.20 | pureone | hehe |
| 19:37.21 | resiak | Granden: Just type irssi and hit enter. |
| 19:37.21 | deadcat | abrotman: you're fucked. shoot yourself |
| 19:37.21 | abrotman | error403: give you head ? |
| 19:37.23 | xtension | abrotman hahaha |
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| 19:37.25 | abrotman | !head error403 |
| 19:37.27 | abrotman | see |
| 19:37.27 | resiak | djblazen: run apt-setup |
| 19:37.28 | error403 | .,.. |
| 19:37.29 | error403 | lol |
| 19:37.30 | ilRas | i want to make vpnc (cisco vpn client) execute automatically upon system boot, preferably right after eth0 is started... what should i do? |
| 19:37.32 | xtension | abrotman reinstall |
| 19:37.38 | error403 | !eat error403 |
| 19:37.40 | justin | ilRas: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:37.44 | valdyn | djblazen: that's fine, what do you think is wrong with it? |
| 19:37.45 | error403 | .... |
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| 19:37.51 | deadcat | xtension: that aint gonna help. because it will install suse AGAIN |
| 19:37.53 | ilRas | justin: thank you |
| 19:37.55 | deadcat | accideently |
| 19:37.58 | ilRas | didn't think about that eheh |
| 19:38.00 | djblazen | thanks |
| 19:38.11 | error403 | !bash error403 |
| 19:38.18 | error403 | heh |
| 19:38.19 | error403 | hmm |
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| 19:38.27 | jasoncohen | jbmigel, if you're running stable it makes more sense to use the name- i.e woody or sarge so your system doesn't suddenly change without your knowledge but if you're using testing you would want to have it set to "testing" so that you would continue getting updates. using "testing" will automatically shift you from sarge to etch |
| 19:38.28 | Eclipser | I need to reinstall debian at some point :< |
| 19:38.28 | xtension | lol |
| 19:38.28 | error403 | maybe i need to stop playing with the bot? |
| 19:38.42 | deadcat | error403: no shit |
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| 19:38.51 | Granden | Im getting this error message Can't locate Symbol.pm in @INC contains /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl at eval 0 line 9 Begin failed compilation aborted at eval 9 line 9 |
| 19:38.59 | error403 | <error403> eat |
| 19:38.59 | djblazen | valdyn: I would like to upgrade to sarge but its been such a long time since i last used debian |
| 19:38.59 | error403 | * dpkg eats error403's ass! |
| 19:39.00 | error403 | no... |
| 19:39.02 | error403 | wrong! |
| 19:39.12 | djblazen | valdyn: I'm hoping sarge uses the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:39.17 | shingouz | error403: /msg the bot please |
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| 19:39.31 | shingouz | djblazen: it does if you tell it to |
| 19:39.41 | jasoncohen | djblazen, it does if you isntall with the boot option linux26 |
| 19:39.44 | jasoncohen | 2.6.8 to be exact |
| 19:39.58 | dondelelcaro | Granden: yes, you need to upgrade perl and perl-base first, then continue on with the rest of the install. |
| 19:40.02 | deadcat | there should be an op. who ever mentions the release gets ban till it actually gets released |
| 19:40.05 | dondelelcaro | Granden: the release notes explain this fact. |
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| 19:40.12 | tjs57 | is that a non-broken version of 2.6.8 ? |
| 19:40.12 | suburbanitefury | You can compile 2.6.11 with make-kpkg if you want to |
| 19:40.19 | djblazen | all: I just need to get sarge installed first |
| 19:40.20 | Granden | okej so jsut apt-get update perl? |
| 19:40.24 | valdyn | djblazen: you can use 2.4 or 2.6 when installing sarge |
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| 19:40.29 | dondelelcaro | Granden: perl AND perl-base. |
| 19:40.32 | jasoncohen | suburbanitefury, or take it from unstable |
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| 19:40.49 | dondelelcaro | Granden: so apt-get install perl perl-base; then aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; |
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| 19:40.54 | Granden | apt-getupdate perl gives error The update command takes no arguments |
| 19:41.10 | jbmigel | jasoncohen yes i understand how it works. Im just saying there would be much less confusion if installer defaulted to "woody" name rather than "stable" then it would be no brainer for everyone now at release time. anyone else who wants to just use TESTING would have to change it to that themselves |
| 19:41.12 | valdyn | Granden: so? |
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| 19:41.17 | _oc_ | adobbie: should the / partition have a bootable flag if i use MBR? |
| 19:41.18 | deadcat | Granden: apt-get update && apt-get install perl |
| 19:41.18 | Granden | nothing |
| 19:41.41 | djblazen | valdyn: other than that boot option is there anyother way to use the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:41.42 | djblazen | ? |
| 19:41.42 | deadcat | Granden: aint no apt-getupdate command |
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| 19:42.13 | valdyn | djblazen: what "other" way would anyone need? |
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| 19:42.20 | Vegar | is sarge out? |
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| 19:42.29 | Granden | I cant install perl |
| 19:42.29 | kobs | Read the topic? |
| 19:42.31 | resiak | !topicsmite Vegar |
| 19:42.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Vegar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:42.38 | valdyn | Granden: apt-get install perl |
| 19:42.46 | djblazen | valdyn: I'm just making sure this base system is meet minimal requirements for lfs |
| 19:42.48 | TimeKilla | hey guys, how do i launch my new x-windows from the command prompt? |
| 19:42.50 | Vegar | oh, sorry |
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| 19:42.57 | shingouz | TimeKilla: startx |
| 19:43.00 | resiak | !faq TimeKilla |
| 19:43.01 | dpkg | TimeKilla: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:43.23 | bbrazil | _oc_: shouldn't make a difference either way |
| 19:43.46 | Granden | The following packages have unmet dependecies: perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.6.1-8.9) but 5.8.4-8 is to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 19:43.51 | dob1 | when was released woody? |
| 19:43.56 | R0ckET | is etch download? |
| 19:43.58 | TimeKilla | i got a fatal error "failed to initialize core devices |
| 19:43.59 | deadcat | deltree |
| 19:44.03 | valdyn | !tell dob1 about woody |
| 19:44.09 | valdyn | !tell R0ckET about etch |
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| 19:44.19 | deadcat | valdyn: ya. lets annoy them with dpkg (= |
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| 19:44.26 | valdyn | yes! |
| 19:44.29 | deadcat | valdyn: counter-strike |
| 19:44.45 | _oc_ | bbrazil: I get an error when trying to install LILO to /dev/sda .. im trying with expert26 kernel now.. It uses devfs |
| 19:44.46 | shingouz | i have a feeling that we are going to have a "when will etch be released" in a couple of days :( |
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| 19:45.05 | _oc_ | bbrazil: I wish to install lilo to run on /dev/sda, not /dev/sdb |
| 19:45.10 | deadcat | shingouz: it has begun |
| 19:45.10 | Granden | I cant isntall perl |
| 19:45.11 | dondelelcaro | Granden: again, apt-get install perl perl-base; both should be 5.8.4-8 |
| 19:45.14 | peritus_ | 7msg dpkg wwer |
| 19:45.15 | peritus_ | opps |
| 19:45.16 | Granden | jsut erro all the time |
| 19:45.16 | jbmigel | shingouz yeah i hear they are already way behind on rc bug rixes in etch |
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| 19:45.30 | shingouz | deadcat: that is the general feeling :( |
| 19:45.32 | deadcat | Granden: maybe you're not using debian. else it WILL install |
| 19:45.50 | deadcat | shingouz: theres always few bitches start whining about etch |
| 19:45.52 | justin | Granden: if you don't bother to tell someone what the error is. they can not help you. |
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| 19:45.57 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 19:45.58 | Granden | I have |
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| 19:46.06 | deadcat | ya. "it dont work" |
| 19:46.10 | Granden | The following packages have unmet dependecies: perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.6.1-8.9) but 5.8.4-8 is to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 19:46.13 | bwlang | anybody remember the escape char in sed regexps? s/.\/// does not work... |
| 19:46.15 | nvz | I cant even remember when I started using debian anymore.. so its must have been more than 5 years now |
| 19:46.16 | shingouz | Granden: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:46.16 | Granden | that I said for a few minutes ago |
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| 19:46.29 | _oc_ | bbrazil: I believe the error occurs because the fucking stupid debian sarge installer kernel uses devfs while the installed kernel 2.6.8-smp-i686 doesn't .. Installing to the /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/disc works... but when booting it tries to mount root to /dev/sdb1 not /dev/sda1 |
| 19:46.36 | jbmigel | nvz you have no memory beyond 5 years then |
| 19:46.45 | Granden | 3.1 |
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| 19:46.55 | wansti | could you guys please get the release announcement out, we are thirsty :-) |
| 19:47.00 | valdyn | Granden: apt-get update was run? |
| 19:47.02 | nvz | jbmigel: I cant remember I left my Dr Pepper at Casey's house 5 minutes ago |
| 19:47.06 | Granden | nope |
| 19:47.09 | xtension | Granden dont use sid if you are clueless |
| 19:47.10 | deadcat | !tell wansti about release |
| 19:47.15 | valdyn | Granden: so run it |
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| 19:47.32 | Granden | I have used debian before but this time nothing will work for me |
| 19:47.37 | jbmigel | nvz i dont understand how you can tell me what things you have forgotten... i think maybe your making it all up |
| 19:47.38 | Granden | I should never had return to windows |
| 19:47.51 | xtension | Granden right |
| 19:47.53 | deadcat | Granden: thats what you get (= apt is pissed at you |
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| 19:47.59 | nvz | well I remember it now.. cause I just went and opened another one |
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| 19:48.21 | alvanson | yay new monitor |
| 19:48.28 | Budrick | Is there anywhere more specific I need to go for PCMCIA problems? I'm having problems with a 2.4.27-586tsc kernel and a Sony Vaio PCG-745 |
| 19:48.29 | micha-- | congratulations everybody! |
| 19:48.33 | nvz | I got a new old monitor. |
| 19:48.43 | Granden | now I have used apt-getupdate and apt-get isntall update |
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| 19:48.53 | nvz | dug this Priceton Graphics Systems EO50 out of storage in WV |
| 19:49.01 | shingouz | Budrick: how about telling us waht the problems are |
| 19:49.02 | deadcat | micha--: shhhhh. |
| 19:49.10 | valdyn | Granden: why would you try to install 'update' ? |
| 19:49.19 | Granden | dunno |
| 19:49.22 | Granden | jsut did it |
| 19:49.27 | Granden | jsut tried |
| 19:49.31 | Granden | just |
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| 19:49.39 | deadcat | you sure you used debian before? |
| 19:49.45 | micha-- | according to the topic you already know it... but anyway: it's great that you finally made it! |
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| 19:49.48 | Granden | yes about 2 years ago |
| 19:49.49 | valdyn | Granden: This package is not needed with Linux 2.2.8 and above. |
| 19:49.59 | jasoncohen | Granden, run apt-get update and then do apt-get install perl perl-base |
| 19:50.02 | Budrick | shingouz: It appears to try and start networking before PCMCIA is started, so of course that won't work. Also,once I DO manage to bodge together a working connection to the network, it only takes about 5 minutes to hang the entire machine. |
| 19:50.04 | deadcat | micha--: what did we make? |
| 19:50.12 | ebarnes | So why is it when I do an apt-get update, when apt-get attempts to poll http://security.debian.org testing/udaptes/main...contrib...non-free, I get a 404 Not Found? |
| 19:50.13 | shingouz | Granden: that doesnt sound too good, you "just try" things out as root. very nice, remind me not to let you get within two miles of my systems |
| 19:50.20 | micha-- | deadcat: 3.1? |
| 19:50.21 | deadcat | Granden: shits still the same. |
| 19:50.22 | Budrick | For the moment I'm booting Woody's 2.4.18 kernel, which does things in the right order and Just Works. |
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| 19:50.32 | Granden | yes |
| 19:50.33 | justin | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:50.35 | valdyn | ebarnes: udaptes ? |
| 19:50.39 | Budrick | Although I've dist-upgraded to Sarge around it. |
| 19:50.43 | deadcat | micha--: i had nothing to do with 3.1 only 2.0 |
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| 19:51.01 | shingouz | Budrick: what kernel woudl you like to use on it then. information, man; i am seriously not in the mood to use pliers to extract information |
| 19:51.10 | Granden | still the smae error |
| 19:51.11 | _oc_ | what idiots wrote the debian sarge installer? |
| 19:51.18 | jbmigel | I think 3.1 was a bad choice for number, i mean what is next 95?? :P |
| 19:51.20 | micha-- | deadcat: ok, so everything builds upon the foundations you laid? or something like that... |
| 19:51.22 | deadcat | _oc_: tim conway |
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| 19:51.23 | _oc_ | I want to contact them and tell them of a major bug |
| 19:51.25 | Budrick | shingouz: 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 19:51.35 | jasoncohen | why would aptitude dist-upgrade show different packages than apt-get dist-upgrade..aptitude wants to remove mysql 4.1 and replace it with mysql for some reason |
| 19:51.36 | deadcat | micha--: NFC |
| 19:51.37 | Budrick | Else I wouldn't have bothered installing it. |
| 19:51.43 | shingouz | Budrick: and did you get the pcmcia modules for it too? |
| 19:51.48 | Budrick | shingouz, Yes. |
| 19:51.49 | _oc_ | deadcat: Did he compile the official discs aswell? |
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| 19:52.00 | valdyn | jasoncohen: they work differently. |
| 19:52.01 | deadcat | _oc_: that i dont know. he wrote most of the codes |
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| 19:52.02 | resiak | _oc_: What's the problem? |
| 19:52.13 | jasoncohen | _oc_, use this to file a report- http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/report-template |
| 19:52.14 | mrbuckets | justin: thanks. |
| 19:52.23 | jasoncohen | valdyn, but why would aptitude want to remove mysql 4.1? |
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| 19:52.35 | mrbuckets | valdyn: good eyes. It was correct in my file however. justin was right |
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| 19:53.00 | shingouz | Budrick: try taking auto out of the interfaces file and boot onto the newer kernel. man interfaces |
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| 19:53.23 | Budrick | shingouz: There's no auto against eth0, only lo |
| 19:53.28 | Budrick | Or is that the one you mean? |
| 19:53.58 | shingouz | Budrick: the eth0 is what i mean. hmmm... |
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| 19:54.40 | shingouz | Budrick: the networking tries to come up before pcmcia... i have heard this one before but... :( |
| 19:54.42 | Morydd | looking for advice: should I switch to "stable" on my machine that is currently "testing"? |
| 19:54.42 | Granden | what shall I do then I still get the same error after apt-get update update and apt-get isntall perl perl-base |
| 19:54.47 | ilRas | my sound card works great, I'm listening to mp3s and system sounds... i have tvtime as tv application... stations are tuned, i see them all fine... but i don't hear any sound! the line-in is un-muted, volume is set to the bax both in the souncardmixer and in tvtime... it's a bt878-based tv tuner. (and works on windows, so cables are connected fine). what could be wrong?) |
| 19:55.13 | Budrick | I'm just wondering why it doesn't happen with an older kernel. It's bizarre. |
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| 19:55.52 | Budrick | Although the rc*.d symlinks seem to corroborate the erroneous order. |
| 19:55.54 | jasoncohen | is aptitude really better than apt? the sarge release notes say to use aptitude for everything |
| 19:56.08 | shingouz | Budrick: no idea. if it were my laptop i would just change the network to come up after the pcmcia with update-rc.d |
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| 19:56.18 | abrotman | jasoncohen: length of packages to upgrade is longer than apt can handle iirc |
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| 19:56.33 | jasoncohen | how many can apt handle? |
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| 19:56.46 | bbrazil | _oc_: sorry, was elsewhere. add a root=/dev/sda to your lilo.conf. I'm also pretty sure that grub is the default for sarge |
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| 19:56.55 | jasoncohen | i did an install with 1400 or so packages |
| 19:57.00 | jasoncohen | using apt-get |
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| 19:57.25 | jbmigel | ilRas try turning off your mp3 player before starting the tv show? |
| 19:57.29 | _oc_ | resiak: well, the installer uses devfs in the kernel which reads the first harddrive as /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc or .. /dev/sdb .. while the kernel installed reads it as /dev/sda or /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc .. this might be a probblem with the mptscsi driver, but i doubt it.. hacking the lilo.conf (chroot /target && nano /etc/lilo.conf to set boot to /dev/sdb and root to /dev/sda1 allowed me to install to the MBR and boot the disc. and |
| 19:57.38 | shingouz | jasoncohen: what is the question there? |
| 19:57.38 | _oc_ | bbrazil: same for you :) |
| 19:57.47 | donfranio | hi, i am trying to locate the error, that causes my bootsplash to switch from silent to verbose mode |
| 19:57.48 | _oc_ | bbrazil: I use XFS, so grub is no good for me |
| 19:57.57 | jla | Morydd switch to 'sarge' if you meant sarge, and keep testing if you want to keep testing. |
| 19:57.57 | donfranio | can anyone tell me how to do that best? |
| 19:57.59 | Granden | deadcat what shall I do if I still got the sam eproblem? |
| 19:58.12 | Granden | same* |
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| 19:58.20 | valdyn | jasoncohen: apt-get is fine for most things, its not for upgrading woody->sarge |
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| 19:58.26 | jasoncohen | shingouz, for normal usage (not upgrading between distributions), is their an advantage to using aptitude over apt other than installing recommended packages |
| 19:58.37 | dondelelcaro | Granden: if you are installing perl and perl-base at the same time, you won't get the same problem. |
| 19:58.38 | xtension | donfranio did you check lilo.conf ? |
| 19:58.46 | donfranio | i use grub |
| 19:58.52 | Tomek | how many packages does sarge have? |
| 19:58.58 | deadcat | Granden: either let someone ssh in and take a look or no clue. |
| 19:59.01 | StuckMojo | Tomek lots |
| 19:59.03 | xtension | donfranio last time i tried it was a kernel option |
| 19:59.05 | Morydd | are stable and testing identical (in theory) at the point of the release? |
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| 19:59.13 | Tomek | i would now a number. more than 9000? |
| 19:59.13 | donfranio | it starts with silent mode and switches to verbose! |
| 19:59.14 | Granden | Okej sure I can open up a ssh server |
| 19:59.17 | Granden | give me a minute |
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| 19:59.30 | jbmigel | Morydd yes |
| 19:59.32 | deadcat | i dont mind ssh'ing in. just change your passwd |
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| 19:59.34 | shingouz | jasoncohen: some say aptitude is easier, i am not sure, the few times i have tried aptitude i have been really disappointed. otoh i am used to apt-get |
| 19:59.37 | bbrazil | Tomek: its 9k source packages IIRC |
| 19:59.41 | Granden | how do I change root pw? |
| 19:59.45 | Tomek | bbrazil: thx |
| 19:59.47 | deadcat | Granden: passwd |
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| 20:00.17 | xtension | donfranio its probably a grub setting , what does "man grub" say ? |
| 20:00.35 | dondelelcaro | !dstats sarge |
| 20:00.43 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15691 packages, 1472 maintainers, 28253 MB installed size, 8894 MB compressed size. |
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| 20:00.54 | dondelelcaro | Tomek: ^^^ |
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| 20:00.57 | Tomek | oha |
| 20:00.59 | Tomek | thx :) |
| 20:01.02 | Granden | Okej now its changed for my account |
| 20:01.05 | Granden | how do I change root pw |
| 20:01.12 | dondelelcaro | (that's on i386, different architectures have slightly different numbers) |
| 20:01.13 | aFlag | passwd |
| 20:01.17 | shingouz | Granden: passwd |
| 20:01.23 | manster | can anyone help me with mplayer? every time i try to play a video, the sound works, but errorr messages come up saying that permission to /dev/fb0 was denied, and that a vidix driver couldnt be found |
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| 20:01.53 | suburbanitefury | Granden: or 'sudo passwd' if you're logged in as a reg. user |
| 20:02.12 | Baard_ | Which packages will Etch get when Sarge is stable? Pretty much the same as Sarge until packages are moved from unstable? |
| 20:02.17 | abrotman | jasoncohen: that was just what i heard .. dunno |
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| 20:02.26 | Granden | okej done |
| 20:02.28 | dondelelcaro | Baard_: yes. |
| 20:02.30 | shingouz | manster: add yourself to the correct group so that you have use permissons on the device |
| 20:02.32 | xtension | menster are you member of video group ? |
| 20:02.39 | kurtak | HI quick question, since i'm still a little confused over the patching numbering system. is it okay to patch a 2.6.11.11 kernel with a 2.6.12-rc6 AND 2.6.11-rc2-radeonfb-D2 patch?? |
| 20:02.42 | Shoragan_ | hmm... ftp.de.debian.org is still updateing |
| 20:02.44 | Granden | deadcat you gonna ssh? |
| 20:02.46 | manster | shingouz: i was told that root should only have access to that |
| 20:02.49 | Remmy | Hi all, how do I get IPv6 going on Sarge? |
| 20:02.50 | deadcat | Granden: ip passwd /msg me |
| 20:03.13 | shingouz | manster: what group does the device belong to? |
| 20:03.18 | xtension | manser are u root ? |
| 20:03.18 | manster | shingouz: does it really matter? |
| 20:03.19 | manster | hold on |
| 20:03.21 | manster | shingouz: hold on |
| 20:03.21 | adobbie | manster: what kind of video performance do you get with other drivers? |
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| 20:03.39 | abrotman | !u |
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| 20:03.40 | abrotman | we killed dpkg ? |
| 20:03.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:03.43 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:03.43 | AK-87 | ok |
| 20:03.51 | manster | adobbie: x11 is using tdfx, and when i use xine or another video player, its great |
| 20:03.58 | luulis | kurtak: maybe, but those patches should work best with the kernel versions they are diffed against |
| 20:04.04 | jbmigel | !moron abrotman |
| 20:04.05 | dpkg | abrotman: You are moron #40 |
| 20:04.09 | jbmigel | still works ;) |
| 20:04.10 | Choubaka | http://people.zoy.org/~sam/phd-sarge.png heh :) |
| 20:04.15 | abrotman | jbmigel: he was slow .. shut up |
| 20:04.21 | suburbanitefury | !ne1 |
| 20:04.21 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
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| 20:04.25 | adobbie | manster: are you in group video? |
| 20:04.34 | suburbanitefury | !moron dpkg |
| 20:04.35 | dpkg | dpkg: You are moron #77 |
| 20:04.40 | Thanatermesis | how to set the $LANG and $LANGUAGE variables in X ? |
| 20:04.48 | Thanatermesis | (automatic mode) |
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| 20:04.54 | manster | adobbie: sorry, i dont know what you mean. i am a bit of a newbie |
| 20:05.02 | ilRas | jbmigel: doesn't work either, the tv is still without sound:( |
| 20:05.12 | AK-87 | what is the command to find out the network ip? |
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| 20:05.15 | killerrho | how can I extract an rpm to a local directory? "rpm2cpio MySQL-server-4.1.12-1.i386.rpm |cpio -ivd /home/l2j/mysql" 53920 blocks but then nothing shows in my home |
| 20:05.17 | suburbanitefury | Thanatermesis: editor /etc/environment |
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| 20:05.20 | pwned | I used to get things when I was a newbie.. |
| 20:05.27 | xtension | manster you have to add the user to video group |
| 20:05.30 | adobbie | manster: as root 'addgroup your_username video' |
| 20:05.37 | jbmigel | ilRas what software are you using to view tv? |
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| 20:05.54 | adobbie | manster: you will probably need to log out and back in for the changes to take affect |
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| 20:06.05 | kurtak | luulis.. ahh, so is it pretty safe if the 3rd number of the kernel version (for example 8 in 2.6.8) is different in the diff? |
| 20:06.11 | shingouz | manster: you will need to logout/logon |
| 20:06.13 | Thanatermesis | humm... thanks |
| 20:06.18 | kurtak | luulis: or is that really important? |
| 20:06.28 | manster | adobbie: thanks for your help man |
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| 20:06.35 | manster | shingouz: thanks for your help |
| 20:06.40 | shingouz | doublehp: you have no idea how many lusers have stopped by in the past 24 hours to ask when sarge is out |
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| 20:07.04 | sTone_heAd | Remmy, it just work out of the box |
| 20:07.05 | doublehp | shingouz: :$ |
| 20:07.06 | ttick | so, when is sarge coming out? |
| 20:07.10 | ttick | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.11 | streuner | http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 20:07.14 | Remmy | It says "No support for INET6 on this system", but is there a package I need to install, or do I need to recompile? |
| 20:07.15 | deadcat | !tell tix64 about release |
| 20:07.15 | shingouz | !lart ttick |
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| 20:07.16 | Thanatermesis | suburbanitefury, http://thanatermesis.no-ip.org/tmp/shots/langs.jpg |
| 20:07.17 | kurtak | luulis: so simply applying the patch 2.6.12-rc6 brings up your kernel version to 12, or should that be the kernel you have before patching?? |
| 20:07.21 | Thanatermesis | this is normal suburbanitefury ? |
| 20:07.22 | Nielsen | well.. to think sarge is comming out of the closet :D |
| 20:07.24 | luulis | kurtak: um, i mean if the patch is against, say, 2.6.12-rc5 it is best to patch it against it |
| 20:07.33 | shingouz | Nielsen: dont start :) |
| 20:07.34 | abrotman | streuner: get it to slashdot .. now! |
| 20:07.38 | AK-87 | please... someone? |
| 20:07.43 | Nielsen | shingouz: i just had to .. just once |
| 20:07.49 | doublehp | shingouz: some bot should auto slap on Sarge work (with some regxp with 'date' 'when' or so .. ) |
| 20:07.51 | shingouz | !lart Nielsen |
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| 20:07.56 | Nielsen | muhahaha |
| 20:07.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: care to change the topic ? |
| 20:07.59 | Nielsen | i hear god! |
| 20:08.01 | shingouz | Nielsen: i jsut had to .. just once |
| 20:08.04 | adobbie | Remmy: what is telling you that? |
| 20:08.11 | gpm | hooray |
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| 20:08.21 | gpm | !beer me |
| 20:08.29 | Nielsen | shingouz: ever tried cat'ing urandom to dsp? :D |
| 20:08.35 | abrotman | err won |
| 20:08.38 | AK-87 | its not ipconfig |
| 20:08.40 | suburbanitefury | Thanatermesis: try running a login shell |
| 20:08.41 | shingouz | Nielsen: nope, vmlinuz is good |
| 20:08.43 | abrotman | god damn it .. my typing/grammar/spelling sucks today |
| 20:08.43 | adobbie | maybe the topic should say "sarge is being released" |
| 20:08.47 | mae | I'm running testing.. how do I make KDE 3.3 aware of hald so it will stick devices on my desktop.. I already did Configure Desktop > behavior > device icons |
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| 20:08.49 | AK-87 | what is the right command? |
| 20:08.55 | Nielsen | shingouz: been there... creative died on me |
| 20:08.57 | gpm | erm.../topic |
| 20:08.59 | gpm | it's out |
| 20:09.09 | abrotman | gpm: yes .. need an op to change it |
| 20:09.20 | ilRas | jbmigel: seems to be a bt878 driver issue, if i attach headphones to the line-out of the tv card i don't hear anything |
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| 20:09.27 | ilRas | damn... |
| 20:09.29 | gpm | oooh yeah, i just ASSumed one was around. my bad |
| 20:09.40 | sdb__ | jbmigel: wrt what you were saying about "stable" causing confusion, I was thinking the same thing. it might be worth making the debian-installer developers aware of that. what do you think? |
| 20:09.44 | abrotman | gpm: i asked the last seen to change it |
| 20:09.46 | killerrho | anyone knows how I can extract an rpm file? |
| 20:09.55 | Thanatermesis | suburbanitefury, what are exactly a "login shell" ¿? |
| 20:09.58 | deadcat | Granden: i am going to use screen so you can screen -x and watch me doing |
| 20:10.00 | folial_ | sorry... has Debian a command to know which services are running, like rc-status on Gentoo? |
| 20:10.02 | abrotman | killerrho: man rpm .. i'm pretty sure it's in there |
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| 20:10.07 | AK-87 | anyone... the command to find out the network ip? |
| 20:10.08 | luulis | killerrho: do you really need to? |
| 20:10.10 | shingouz | Nielsen: i actually woke up a friend of mine a few months ago with that. i have root on his computer as i do the admin for him, he mentioned that he didnt have his alarm clock in working condition and i told him to leave the computer running and speakers on... :D |
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| 20:10.19 | bbrazil | AK-87: ifconfig |
| 20:10.21 | |dennis| | folial_: ps aux |more |
| 20:10.26 | Remmy | adobbie: When I gave the command ifconfig eth0 add, trying to assign it an IPv6 address |
| 20:10.26 | CorrsFan | AK-87: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 20:10.33 | folial_ | uhm... |
| 20:10.33 | doublehp | Thanatermesis: a shell which asks for login every line ? |
| 20:10.34 | AK-87 | bbrazil: thanks man, you save my ass =) |
| 20:10.34 | Thanatermesis | kikyou, use "alien package.rpm" and "dpkg -x package.deb temp-dir" |
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| 20:10.43 | deadcat | Granden: i need root to fix your problem |
| 20:10.48 | doublehp | AK-87: ettercap |
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| 20:10.51 | marstewel | AK-87: hostname --ip-address |
| 20:11.03 | marstewel | AK-87: or which IP do you mean ? |
| 20:11.05 | adobbie | Remmy: you might not have kernel support |
| 20:11.08 | suburbanitefury | Thanatermesis: try '/bin/bash --login' |
| 20:11.22 | abrotman | dpkg: no, wwsr is It is out |
| 20:11.22 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 20:11.27 | symoon | yop sbux :p |
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| 20:11.36 | deadcat | Granden: you are using stable. not testing. |
| 20:11.39 | sbux | yo symoon |
| 20:11.41 | sbux | wassup |
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| 20:11.47 | jharrisonwk | where is the debian sarge release news release dudes |
| 20:11.52 | Bols_ | /topic NO NEED to shout like that! :p |
| 20:11.58 | adobbie | Remmy: you might need to load modules |
| 20:11.59 | doublehp | !sarge |
| 20:11.59 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 20:12.04 | Remmy | adobbie: I think so... but how do I get that support? |
| 20:12.05 | eddyp | deadcat: that statement is ambiguous right now ;-) |
| 20:12.05 | Thanatermesis | suburbanitefury, http://thanatermesis.no-ip.org/tmp/shots/langs.jpg |
| 20:12.09 | mae | whats the daemon that automatically adds folders in /media when hald tells it a new device is connected? |
| 20:12.09 | Thanatermesis | (new) |
| 20:12.14 | jharrisonwk | doublehp: uh you are a little late |
| 20:12.17 | OleMoudi | http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 20:12.19 | Remmy | modprobe: Can't locate module ipv6 |
| 20:12.20 | jharrisonwk | doublehp: sarge is stable |
| 20:12.23 | adobbie | Remmy: are you using Debian kernel? |
| 20:12.25 | OleMoudi | is normal to get that on apt-get update? |
| 20:12.25 | jbmigel | sdb__ i dont know if it would really be any different... at next release there would still be millions of n00bs asking if they have to change "sarge" to "etch" OR "testing" cuz they just dont get it anyway. |
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| 20:12.36 | abrotman | dpkg: sarge =~ s/ Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes).// |
| 20:12.36 | doublehp | jharrisonwk: tell that to dpkg :) |
| 20:12.36 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 20:12.42 | Remmy | adobbie: I do not know for sure... system was installed by someone else |
| 20:12.48 | Thanatermesis | doublehp, sorry, im not understand.. |
| 20:12.50 | marstewel | jharrisonwk: release announcement not yet sent (see debian-announce mailing list) |
| 20:12.54 | abrotman | damn it .. i'm not change alll those |
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| 20:12.59 | abrotman | marstewel: the web archive ? |
| 20:13.02 | dondelelcaro | OleMoudi: yes, that's to be expected. |
| 20:13.08 | OleMoudi | ok |
| 20:13.14 | petzsch | can someone update the topic? http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 20:13.24 | Remmy | adobbie: I guess I need to recompile it myself then |
| 20:13.25 | dondelelcaro | the topic is still correct. |
| 20:13.27 | abrotman | marstewel: the web archive of the mailing list is a bit behind real life |
| 20:13.28 | suburbanitefury | Thanatermesis: if /etc/environment gives you problems, you could always set them in /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 20:13.37 | marstewel | abrotman: at least the web archive which is 20 mins in past always... |
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| 20:13.48 | adobbie | Remmy: it's pretty easy, you can make Debian packages using make-kpkg from kernel-package |
| 20:13.52 | abrotman | marstewel: yeah .. i've not recieved the debian-announce mail yet |
| 20:13.57 | raboof | hooray. congratulations. |
| 20:13.59 | jharrisonwk | doublehp: dpkg has a mind of his own |
| 20:14.00 | abrotman | though .. maybe they don't want me to know |
| 20:14.05 | petzsch | then read the news! |
| 20:14.07 | petzsch | :-) |
| 20:14.11 | Thanatermesis | hummmm... :/ |
| 20:14.11 | Remmy | adobbie: Ok... will try that tomorrow... thanks for your help :) |
| 20:14.18 | bbrazil | updating the bot will be fun |
| 20:14.21 | abrotman | petzsch: still no email from the RM .. which is what i think dondelelcaro is waiting for |
| 20:14.23 | dondelelcaro | petzsch: again, the official announcement is the message to -announce |
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| 20:14.41 | dondelelcaro | the website stuff all happens early, because it gets rebuilt via cronjob. |
| 20:14.52 | doublehp | me rlefreshes his web page every minute to check out for sarge .... :D |
| 20:14.52 | raboof | (official announcement is out now btw, if you consider debian.org official :)) |
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| 20:15.00 | petzsch | anyway I've asked my vendor to send the DVDs to me... don't wanna wait for them one day longer *g* |
| 20:15.02 | thomas22 | Can someone tell me why my keyboard doesnt seem to work in gnome? |
| 20:15.14 | marstewel | abrotman: website is updated ... |
| 20:15.20 | abrotman | marstewel: the list archive ? |
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| 20:15.29 | jbmigel | ilRas try "modprobe emu10k1" if its not already loaded in "lsmod" list |
| 20:15.29 | adobbie | Remmy: you might want to use 'ip' from the iproute package |
| 20:15.29 | Thanatermesis | normally the persons HAVE the $LANG in X-terminals ? suburbanitefury (Im creating a script with need the $LANG used for select in spanish, french and english for work in select lang) |
| 20:15.29 | jharrisonwk | http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Debian_GNULinux_3.1r0_released_s48714.html |
| 20:15.39 | abrotman | marstewel: oh .. debian.org is .. the lists.debian.org hasn't gotten it .. if it has happened yet |
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| 20:16.05 | djblazen | ok, i did the dist-upgrade but i'm still using an old 2.2 kernel |
| 20:16.05 | naoliv | http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 20:16.07 | adobbie | Remmy: also take a look at http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/networking/IPv6-LinuxHowto/en/index.html |
| 20:16.11 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: would it be possible to make a bot that turns all this nonsese about "when is sarge.." into a nice /mode +q ? ;) |
| 20:16.12 | djblazen | do i do an apt-get upgrade kernel? |
| 20:16.18 | abrotman | marstewel: i get the feeling from dondelelcaro that the RM hasn't sent the email yet .. |
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| 20:16.21 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: read /topic |
| 20:16.21 | Remmy | Thanks again adobbie ... will do |
| 20:16.22 | kurtak | Okay, so to patch successfully, you just gotta get the patch with the same number as your kernel source, like 2.6.11-rc5 would work for patching 2.6.11 kernel, but is that still okay to patch a kernel like 2.6.11.11?? |
| 20:16.31 | Granden | anyway to retrive root passwd? |
| 20:16.35 | deadcat | djblazen: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 20:16.38 | dondelelcaro | Granden: no. |
| 20:16.40 | naoliv | dondelelcaro: Oh, sorry... it was to be on the another channel :-/ |
| 20:16.44 | bbrazil | Granden: john |
| 20:16.50 | raboof | Granden: you can reset it with a bootfloppy |
| 20:16.58 | mae | how do i enable my system to make new /media folders when hald finds a new device connected |
| 20:17.04 | deadcat | Granden: you dont kow the root passwd? |
| 20:17.05 | _oc_ | bbrazil: this is what i had to do to make Debian Sarge 3.1 (05282005 build) official CDs install on a IBM HS20 8843 Blade server: http://www.foo.mu/ |
| 20:17.16 | thomas22 | I have fluxbox and gnome installed, how can I change the default - gnome comes up first and I need something else for now. |
| 20:17.16 | Cham_ | how can i see all the traffic at my computer up- and downstream? |
| 20:17.21 | nforbes | Granden, Or grab a livecd from somewhere, mount & chroot into your hdd, and run passwd |
| 20:17.23 | Granden | I forgot after changing so I could give it too deadcat |
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| 20:17.32 | jasoncohen | ah- sarge's release is official - http://www.debian.org/releases/ - see "# Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (?sarge?) -- current stable release" |
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| 20:17.40 | dondelelcaro | !topicsmite jasoncohen |
| 20:17.41 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon jasoncohen. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:17.44 | deadcat | Granden: damn. reboot and boot with a live cd or something |
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| 20:18.00 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: well; what jasoncohen is different than what the topic says |
| 20:18.06 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, well the topic says it isn't official yet |
| 20:18.07 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: no, it isn't. |
| 20:18.10 | deadcat | Granden: are you still at the root prompt? else reboot with live cd |
| 20:18.13 | bbrazil | _oc_: nice domain name |
| 20:18.16 | kurtak | Anyone?? is it okay to patch 2.6.11.11 with 2.6.11-rc9 patch?? |
| 20:18.19 | abrotman | xsdg: he already said .. website updated via cron .. no email from RM |
| 20:18.23 | jasoncohen | and it clearly is if it's showing as the new stable release on debian.org/releases |
| 20:18.26 | dondelelcaro | the official announcement is the message to -announce. THIS ISN'T DIFFICULT, PEOPLE. |
| 20:18.31 | sdb__ | dondelelcaro: yes it is |
| 20:18.34 | Granden | Im not still at root prompt |
| 20:18.39 | sdb__ | dondelelcaro: the topic says it's not announced yet |
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| 20:18.40 | Granden | and I dont have any live cd |
| 20:18.50 | jasoncohen | heh, ok then |
| 20:18.52 | dondelelcaro | sdb__: read /topic again. |
| 20:18.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: maybe put that in the topic ? .. check http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2005/threads.html ? |
| 20:18.55 | deadcat | Granden: time to download one and reboot. or you can use your woody cd. |
| 20:18.55 | shingouz | kurtak: how about reading the documentation on the patch? |
| 20:19.01 | Granden | if i get a live cd what to do then? |
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| 20:19.03 | raboof | sheez, let's just celebrate, not nag each other about definitions, ok? :) |
| 20:19.06 | sdb__ | the official announcement has been made |
| 20:19.07 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: ok; it just seems non-obvious that "official announcement" means -announce |
| 20:19.18 | sdb__ | dondelelcaro: which bit don't you get? that's official to me |
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| 20:19.19 | dondelelcaro | sdb__: no, it has not. Read what I said again. |
| 20:19.21 | ctrlaltdel | whats up all |
| 20:19.26 | shingouz | oh ffs... |
| 20:19.37 | dondelelcaro | not that it matters anyway. |
| 20:19.39 | sdb__ | it's on their new page, ffs |
| 20:19.40 | jbmigel | wow like nitpicking... its all happening today right lighten up |
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| 20:19.47 | Granden | which live cd should I get for this? |
| 20:19.48 | ctrlaltdel | I just updating my system, and now apache2 is broke, refering to perl, is this a known thing? |
| 20:19.49 | deadcat | Granden: boot to live cd. mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1, chroot /mnt/sda1 /bin/bash, then passwd root, then enter new passwd, then reboot |
| 20:20.02 | abrotman | heh .. "CAUTION : Powered speakers required for sound" .. do they still sell non-powered speakers ? |
| 20:20.06 | abrotman | other than headphones ? |
| 20:20.19 | dirthead | streuner: nfs is working again for the moment. I added the line '172.16.1.5 xor' to /etc/hosts and that seemed to allow it to work. Does that make sense to you? Thanks. |
| 20:20.24 | Granden | any special live cd? |
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| 20:20.44 | deadcat | Granden: damn small linux since its small |
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| 20:20.53 | shingouz | Granden: whatever cd as long as it bootsa linux kernel |
| 20:21.14 | kurtak | hmm, and it's okay normally to not do previous patches before newer ones? like it's okay to patch with rc9 if you didn't use rc8 and all the previous ones? |
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| 20:21.27 | xtension | Granden http://www.knoppix.net/get.php |
| 20:21.30 | streuner | dirthead: not really, putting those hostnames into /etc/hosts would reduce the time waiting for resolve it via DNS - not more. |
| 20:21.33 | Granden | Im going with DSL |
| 20:21.36 | shingouz | kurtak: read the docs on the patch, it should all be there |
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| 20:22.00 | deadcat | Granden: ask someone else to help. i am gonna brush my teeth. |
| 20:22.06 | dondelelcaro | you don't even need a boot cd... just boot with init=/bin/bash; mount / rw; run passwd; remount / ro; reboot. |
| 20:22.15 | dippo | what's the precedent for EOLing a previous version of debian? |
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| 20:22.18 | ^Duffy^ | How can I fix this? |
| 20:22.19 | ^Duffy^ | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `courier-base' missing, assum |
| 20:22.19 | ^Duffy^ | ing package has no files currently installed |
| 20:22.20 | ^Duffy^ | ? |
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| 20:22.21 | dippo | I don't suppose potato still gets security updates or anything |
| 20:22.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell Granden about I forgot root's password |
| 20:22.42 | jello | dippo: oldstable gets security for one year or so... |
| 20:22.45 | thomas22 | if gnome 2.1 is released how come mine says 1.4, I'm using apt-get task-gnome-desktop and it says I have the latest version |
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| 20:22.47 | mae | woohoo debian sarge released |
| 20:22.48 | dippo | hm, ok |
| 20:22.49 | dondelelcaro | dippo: generally 12 months, but it depends on the security team. |
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| 20:22.58 | yarddog | website shows the release now |
| 20:23.06 | _oc_ | bbrazil: what do you think may have caused the errors which i needed to hack in a console? |
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| 20:23.18 | shingouz | yarddog: we know. surprisingly enough we know |
| 20:23.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 20:23.27 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> DO NOT TELL US ABOUT THE RELEASE. first tier mirrors have transitioned, second tiers on the way. Official announcement (MESSAGE TO -announce) has NOT been made yet. | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet |
| 20:23.29 | bbrazil | _oc_: haven't a clue, haven't messed with xfs |
| 20:23.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:23.37 | yarddog | shingouz: lol, sorry |
| 20:23.42 | kurtak | shingouz: okay |
| 20:23.44 | GrayThunder | lot of good it did to update to sarge. cdrecord still doesnt't function. |
| 20:23.50 | sdb__ | hahaha |
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| 20:23.51 | HeLfReZ | im still waiting for kde 3.4 binaries hehe |
| 20:23.55 | GrayThunder | oh, well |
| 20:24.01 | dondelelcaro | HeLfReZ: /topic #debian-kde |
| 20:24.09 | shingouz | GrayThunder: how about trying to make it work? |
| 20:24.10 | BucWheat | so i should be able to do apt-get upgrade to upgrade my box from rc3 to final? |
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| 20:24.19 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: yes. |
| 20:24.22 | BucWheat | k |
| 20:24.36 | sdb__ | and so the pedantry continues |
| 20:24.39 | dondelelcaro | (whatever rc3 means) |
| 20:24.39 | Granden | think a re-isntall will go faster |
| 20:24.41 | HeLfReZ | dondelelcaro, i wasjjust responding to the woohooo sarge released hehe |
| 20:24.44 | GrayThunder | shingouz: i just spent 2 hours trying. |
| 20:24.45 | b0xen | I really want to try debian but it seems stupid to install it now when sarge is coming withen the next week. Might as well wait |
| 20:24.47 | sdb__ | by redefining official ;) |
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| 20:24.57 | justin | BucWheat: rc3 refers to d-i test images and has little to do with the versions of anything else |
| 20:25.02 | dondelelcaro | sdb__: if you want to argue about it, go elsewhere, please. |
| 20:25.13 | sdb__ | no |
| 20:25.17 | xtension | GrayThunder what says cdrecord -schanbus ? |
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| 20:25.18 | baz | b0xen: think you missed something |
| 20:25.19 | dondelelcaro | it's not my definition of official, it's what the RMs have said. |
| 20:25.20 | sdb__ | I don't want to argue about it |
| 20:25.25 | simonrvn | http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 20:25.29 | jbmigel | b0xen : http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 20:25.30 | b0xen | baz: huh? |
| 20:25.32 | shingouz | GrayThunder: we cannot help unless you tell us what is wrong and what you run. kernel etc information.. some error messages help too |
| 20:25.38 | baz | b0xen: sarge released today |
| 20:25.49 | b0xen | oh . . . yay |
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| 20:25.50 | Talnakh | Hooray |
| 20:25.52 | baz | b0xen: you are the only person in here who didn't know that |
| 20:25.52 | b0xen | awsome |
| 20:25.54 | b0xen | lol |
| 20:25.57 | BucWheat | justin k |
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| 20:26.15 | b0xen | cuz the main page still says the latest version is 3.1 |
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| 20:26.20 | baz | b0xen: sarge IS 3.1 |
| 20:26.24 | Talnakh | ha ha |
| 20:26.26 | simonrvn | uh, duh |
| 20:26.29 | b0xen | i meant 3.0 |
| 20:26.30 | b0xen | lol |
| 20:26.34 | b0xen | check debian.org it says 3.0 |
| 20:26.36 | b0xen | on the main page |
| 20:26.40 | PeTeRB | b0xen: Refresh? |
| 20:26.42 | baz | b0xen: now hit refresh |
| 20:26.43 | jello | b0xen: nope, says 3.1 |
| 20:26.47 | jbmigel | b0xen its still *happening* |
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| 20:26.53 | b0xen | lol . . . i feel dumb. but thats ok |
| 20:26.57 | Talnakh | b0xen, u r slow |
| 20:26.57 | b0xen | I'd rather it be out, and me feel dumb |
| 20:26.59 | PeTeRB | !moron b0xen |
| 20:26.59 | dpkg | b0xen: You are moron #86 |
| 20:27.00 | Talnakh | it says 3.1 |
| 20:27.04 | xtension | b0xen haha |
| 20:27.05 | GrayThunder | pasting in #paste |
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| 20:27.22 | b0xen | Stupid browser cache . . . yeah thats what it is |
| 20:27.27 | Talnakh | The latest stable release of Debian is 3.1. The last update to this release was made on June 6th, 2005 |
| 20:27.37 | lewis | ooho |
| 20:27.40 | xtension | b0xen blame the browser ... sure |
| 20:27.42 | jbmigel | Talnakh my debian.org main page still says 3.0, maybe your mirror has uploaded already |
| 20:27.45 | shingouz | !tell GrayThunder about paster |
| 20:27.49 | sdb__ | wow, !moron, how l33t |
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| 20:27.50 | b0xen | xtension: damn right :) |
| 20:27.51 | adobbie | not all the mirror are caught up yet |
| 20:27.56 | xtension | b0xen haha |
| 20:28.09 | lewis | number of packages with debian has doubled from 8,000 to 16,000 |
| 20:28.16 | xtension | b0xen are you on linux ? btw |
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| 20:28.25 | Talnakh | i don't think that it is dynamic mirror redirection. I am at www.debian.org |
| 20:28.30 | b0xen | xtension: not at the moment. I |
| 20:28.44 | b0xen | I've been using slackware, but i leave my system dual booted for my mom |
| 20:28.45 | Rickdangerous | hey sarge is released this time :) |
| 20:28.53 | Mayhem | Rickdangerous, shush |
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| 20:28.54 | xtension | b0xen its what browsers do you know |
| 20:29.05 | shingouz | oh. he is back :( |
| 20:29.07 | Rickdangerous | Mayhem, it says on www.debian.org |
| 20:29.09 | dondelelcaro | justin: when someone figures out what is actually causing that bug? |
| 20:29.11 | Rickdangerous | Mayhem, main page |
| 20:29.14 | Mayhem | Rickdangerous, I KNOW! |
| 20:29.18 | Mayhem | :P |
| 20:29.24 | Rickdangerous | Mayhem, heh |
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| 20:29.34 | Rickdangerous | Mayhem, finally :) |
| 20:29.40 | popeye | timecop when you get a chance put the sarge PR on the press release page |
| 20:29.49 | popeye | oops |
| 20:29.49 | popeye | lol |
| 20:29.51 | popeye | wrong channel |
| 20:29.52 | justin | dondelelcaro: umm 1 sec... |
| 20:29.54 | Mayhem | Rickdangerous, yes, and all your hype didn't make it happen any sooner :p |
| 20:30.21 | Rickdangerous | Mayhem, well I can't say ÅŸt was a hype |
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| 20:30.31 | b0xen | Anybody know a US mirror that has been updated? I want to fetch full images . . . cuz im a moron :) |
| 20:30.31 | Rickdangerous | it* |
| 20:30.45 | Mayhem | b0xen, use bittorrent |
| 20:30.47 | dondelelcaro | b0xen: debian.org/CD |
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| 20:30.53 | justin | dondelelcaro: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.8/kernel-source-2.6.8_2.6.8-16/changelog |
| 20:31.00 | GrayThunder | Cdrecord-Clone 2.01.01a01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J\uffffrg Schilling |
| 20:31.01 | GrayThunder | NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord |
| 20:31.01 | GrayThunder | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.01 | GrayThunder | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.01 | GrayThunder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.06 | Mayhem | aieeee |
| 20:31.14 | justin | dondelelcaro: my guess is "drivers-net-via-rhine-irq.dpatch: VIA Rhine driver was releasing an irq in some error situations (Simon Horman)" or "drivers-net-via-rhine-wol-oops.dpatch: Fix oops in VIA Rhine driver caused by assuming all cards have WOL support." |
| 20:31.22 | b0xen | gah the link to the torrent is broken |
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| 20:31.29 | Stereo | hi folks |
| 20:31.38 | PeTeRB | GrayThunder: That wasn't nice. |
| 20:31.40 | lewis | how come the latest 2.4 kernel-image in debian, even in testing, is 27, and not 31? |
| 20:31.40 | shingouz | GrayThunder: not here. use the paster or #flood. /msg dpkg paster |
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| 20:32.00 | shingouz | lewis: because there is a 2.6 |
| 20:32.05 | Stereo | I was wondering what "on the way" meant. When should my mirror be updated? Couple of minutes, hours or days? |
| 20:32.09 | _oc_ | what is the command to change the keyboard layout, and environment? |
| 20:32.14 | Stereo | (c.f. topic) |
| 20:32.18 | _oc_ | I wish to use no_NO |
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| 20:32.22 | _oc_ | not en_US |
| 20:32.24 | dondelelcaro | justin: could be... but someone will have to test that out |
| 20:32.30 | Stereo | _oc_: loadkeys |
| 20:32.32 | lewis | shingouz: yeh, but what about the latest 2.4.31 stable kernel? |
| 20:32.43 | justin | Stereo: there haven't been many changes in the past day or so, even if your mirror is a bit behind it won't make much of a difference |
| 20:32.46 | shingouz | Stereo: as fast as the network can do it. it is a lot of data to transfer |
| 20:32.48 | _oc_ | Stereo: I mean, how do I set it up by default? |
| 20:32.55 | dondelelcaro | justin: generally speaking, the rules for packages entering r1 are relaxed slightly, so it can be fixed if it's serious enough |
| 20:33.02 | Stereo | so etch is just sarge for now? |
| 20:33.07 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: no. |
| 20:33.10 | nagual | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.12 | adobbie | mirror updates also depend on how often they occur |
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| 20:33.14 | naoliv | Stereo: Etch is testing. |
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| 20:33.22 | justin | dondelelcaro: yeah, I have a via-rhine in my desktop which I may reinstall and put sarge on.. :-) |
| 20:33.23 | shingouz | lewis: havent you noticed that there has been something else going on in the past few days? get 2.6 |
| 20:33.25 | Stereo | I know. But inside. |
| 20:33.30 | _oc_ | I booted into en_US, I wish to use a norwegian layout.. such as "baseconf, debconf or somet configuration tool"-- ? |
| 20:33.46 | GrayThunder | shingouz: hmmm. can't use the "paster". "#debian" isnt one of the choices. |
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| 20:33.50 | CorrsFan | _oc_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:33.52 | shingouz | _oc_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:33.57 | lewis | shingouz: i am slightly confused by your tone - nevermind |
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| 20:34.03 | shingouz | GrayThunder: use #flood then ffs |
| 20:34.03 | Assid | hrmm..is this version gonna have kde 3.4 ? |
| 20:34.04 | justin | dondelelcaro: that, or write a program to fix my status file(it is bloated with crap that doesn't exist anymore from running sid for 5 years) :-) |
| 20:34.05 | Stereo | the packages. They're the same for now, or are they the same as sid, or something else entirely between the two, or something even more different? |
| 20:34.14 | Fatal | GrayThunder: paste.se rafb.net/paste pastebin.com etc etc |
| 20:34.23 | Granden | anyone who can ssh and help me with irssi problem |
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| 20:34.42 | shingouz | lewis: i do not know why there is no 2.4.31 packaged. |
| 20:34.43 | deadcat | Granden: k back |
| 20:34.46 | justin | Granden: no, but there are people who can ssh and use your computer to send spam and break into other sites. |
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| 20:34.50 | kalango | .net |
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| 20:35.21 | Granden | okej deadcat you get new info now |
| 20:35.22 | Assid | isnt there a windows jigdo application which isnt console based? |
| 20:35.30 | _oc_ | shingouz & CorrsFan: still not getting æøå keys.. they are {|}... I chose no_NO layout (ISO 8859-1) |
| 20:35.32 | deadcat | k |
| 20:35.35 | xtension | Assid go away |
| 20:35.45 | shingouz | _oc_: they show up here in anycase |
| 20:35.51 | djblazen | ok you guys thanks for the help, it all works and is running fine from what i can tell |
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| 20:36.02 | deadcat | Assid: just stick with windows. linux wont do you no good |
| 20:36.02 | Assid | xtension ? |
| 20:36.05 | *** mode/#debian [+J 20,10] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:36.15 | xtension | Assid or someone might kick you |
| 20:36.19 | Talnakh | assid, learn command line |
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| 20:36.36 | xtension | Assid this is linux no windowz crap |
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| 20:36.40 | Assid | i know command line.. but my linux box isnt connected to the net.. and i dont like running a dos box |
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| 20:36.51 | Rickdangerous | Assid, why don't you use torrent |
| 20:36.51 | shingouz | Assid: this is not DOS |
| 20:36.52 | mwe | is there a program that shows what keys are pressed? I need to configure the hotkeys on my notebook |
| 20:36.52 | symoon | hi peck !! |
| 20:36.55 | deadcat | Assid: then make it work |
| 20:36.55 | djblazen | laters all |
| 20:37.02 | PeTeRB | mwe: xev |
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| 20:37.12 | mwe | PeTeRB: ah thanks |
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| 20:37.21 | xtension | Assid excuse me i thought you were asking a windowz q |
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| 20:37.24 | PeTeRB | mwe: You're welcome |
| 20:37.24 | peck | hi symoon |
| 20:37.25 | TimeKilla | hey guys quick question: I answered some of the x windows setup questions wrong when i first installed it and i get a fatal error. How can I run that same setup utility for x windows to change the options? |
| 20:37.36 | abrotman | !drxx TimeKilla |
| 20:37.36 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 20:37.36 | deadcat | xtension: he was |
| 20:37.36 | dpkg | TimeKilla: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:37.36 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
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| 20:37.59 | omar | k |
| 20:38.01 | Assid | nah.. nothing to ask.. just thought there would be a better package |
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| 20:38.09 | TimeKilla | thanx abrotman always a helpful bunch ;) |
| 20:38.16 | shingouz | Assid: define better |
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| 20:38.23 | abrotman | TimeKilla: don't go telling your friends .. we'll get a bad reputation |
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| 20:38.38 | PeTeRB | !tell Peo|away about away |
| 20:38.46 | Assid | nvm,.. i;ll probably get my nix box on |
| 20:38.50 | deadcat | Granden: i am gonna install screen so yoou can watch what i am doing |
| 20:38.56 | Peo|away | sorry for the away |
| 20:38.56 | xtension | The windowz market is to me like a field of high green grass and linux is a lawnmower |
| 20:38.59 | Granden | okej thanks |
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| 20:39.10 | bruce2005 | is the debian website down? i cant get to download the iso image |
| 20:39.13 | deadcat | Granden: type screen -x as root |
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| 20:39.19 | b0xen | damn i cant find any fully updated US mirrors |
| 20:39.25 | Granden | done |
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| 20:39.33 | jello | b0xen: http.us.debian.org |
| 20:39.34 | dondelelcaro | b0xen: no, it's not. |
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| 20:39.41 | dondelelcaro | s/boxen/bruce2005/ |
| 20:39.50 | giupy | uh...never been in debian-overflow..... |
| 20:39.58 | Mo666 | hi! it's great to see sarge is released. Please correct the jigdo-cd/-dvd urls for sarge at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#how |
| 20:40.01 | shingouz | giupy: wasnt it fun there? |
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| 20:40.10 | LabThug | giupy: weird isn't it? :-) |
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| 20:40.26 | giupy | shingouz, i was thinking it was a secret chan :)) |
| 20:40.26 | lewis | have the packages.debian.org pages been updated? |
| 20:40.29 | abrotman | maybe send -overflow to ##debian ? |
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| 20:40.46 | abrotman | lewis: apparently not |
| 20:40.58 | Koontz_ | i think i can wait a few more days till local mirrors are updated but it's really great to hear that sarge is out |
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| 20:41.10 | shingouz | abrotman: they would blow a fuse. at least they would have a heart attack when some hardcore debian geeks whould show up there |
| 20:41.23 | colombi | bruce2005, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:41.24 | abrotman | shingouz: at least they oculd help people :) |
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| 20:41.39 | Rickdangerous | Koontz_, why don't you use the torrent? |
| 20:41.42 | deadcat | Granden: are you using stable or testing? i think you mixed beforer and now its fucked. so i would sugguest change it to sarge. |
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| 20:41.45 | shingouz | abrotman: welll... after all the hardcore debianites show up there they could |
| 20:41.48 | astronut | does BTS let you subscribe to a bug? |
| 20:41.51 | dondelelcaro | astronut: not yet. |
| 20:41.59 | dondelelcaro | astronut: you can use the pts to subscribe to a package though |
| 20:42.06 | Granden | do I have to re-install? |
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| 20:42.08 | lewis | abrotman: silly question. what happens if I downloaded 'sarge' updates from an unupdated mirror? when sarge is known as stable, and the mirror has updated, my packages will be slightly too new, won't they? |
| 20:42.11 | astronut | doesn't help if it's an ITP |
| 20:42.20 | astronut | and dondelelcaro, congratulations |
| 20:42.22 | deadcat | Granden: no. just upgrade it to sarge. and since sarge will be stable soon |
| 20:42.22 | dondelelcaro | astronut: you can subscribe to wnpp... |
| 20:42.24 | abrotman | lewis: are you pointing at testing or sarge ? |
| 20:42.28 | Koontz_ | Rickdangerous: thanks, maybe i'll try that |
| 20:42.31 | lewis | pointing to sarge. |
| 20:42.33 | abrotman | we should congratulate dondelelcaro? |
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| 20:42.42 | rikva | I hope I'm not the only one that is having problems getting updates for testing packages? ( http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found) |
| 20:42.53 | astronut | well, he was big on the bug squashing from what i saw |
| 20:42.56 | dondelelcaro | rikva: no, and yes, it's normal that that isn't working |
| 20:42.56 | Granden | okej |
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| 20:42.56 | abrotman | lewis: too new ? .. not likely ... sarge will be sarge |
| 20:43.00 | abrotman | astronut: i saw your name too :) |
| 20:43.03 | astronut | i'd buy vorlon a beer if he was here |
| 20:43.11 | astronut | abrotman: heh, just trying to put comments in, i can't code |
| 20:43.11 | Rickdangerous | rikva, why are you suing testing; use sarge |
| 20:43.15 | Rickdangerous | using* |
| 20:43.16 | deadcat | Granden: should i press enter or you do it? |
| 20:43.19 | abrotman | astronut: at least you helped |
| 20:43.22 | sdb__ | rikva: there are no security updates for testing now |
| 20:43.23 | astronut | true |
| 20:43.25 | astronut | i tried |
| 20:43.27 | rikva | Rickdangerous: because i want to keep testing |
| 20:43.28 | bruce2005 | someone mentioned that sarge was released? |
| 20:43.28 | fanti | does the sarge release mean that unstable/testing went into stable ? |
| 20:43.29 | rikva | ah.... |
| 20:43.30 | Granden | I did it |
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| 20:43.35 | Sesse | fanti: testing went into stable |
| 20:43.35 | astronut | fanti: yes |
| 20:43.39 | Rickdangerous | rikva, I see |
| 20:43.42 | astronut | testing = etch |
| 20:43.43 | pureone | i thought testing was sarge ? |
| 20:43.44 | lewis | ok - so as long as my sources.lst points to sarge, I can update as much as I want with different mirrors, and I have nothing to cry about? |
| 20:43.45 | astronut | so, what's after etch |
| 20:43.51 | pureone | ah |
| 20:43.53 | Sesse | pureone: yes, sarge was testing, and now it's stable |
| 20:43.54 | astronut | pureone: it was yesterday , not anymore |
| 20:43.54 | dondelelcaro | astronut: ah... yeah, people should message -submitter... sometimes they forget |
| 20:43.57 | bruce2005 | Granden: where can i download the sarge release |
| 20:43.57 | pureone | ok |
| 20:43.58 | abrotman | astronut: not decided yet |
| 20:43.59 | deadcat | astronut: new toy story movie |
| 20:43.59 | rikva | stupid question of me. thanks |
| 20:44.00 | mae | ya whats after etch |
| 20:44.01 | shingouz | fanti unstable != testing |
| 20:44.02 | dondelelcaro | astronut: depends on what the RMs want to call it |
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| 20:44.06 | Skid | are the packages included up to date? |
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| 20:44.20 | fanti | are the kde 3.4 packages official right now? |
| 20:44.29 | Rickdangerous | Skid, there's volatile.debian.net now |
| 20:44.30 | PeTeRB | fanti: /topic #debian-kde |
| 20:44.31 | abrotman | fanti: they are in experimental .. use at your own risk |
| 20:44.33 | deadcat | Granden: config your lsh server |
| 20:44.37 | deadcat | astronut: #gentoo |
| 20:44.40 | ctrlaltdel | I just updating my system, and now apache2 is broke, refering to perl, is this a known thing? |
| 20:44.45 | astronut | deadcat: hmm? |
| 20:44.52 | Rickdangerous | fanti, hey were in experiemtal yesterday. but as sson as possible, they will be in sid |
| 20:44.54 | abrotman | ctrlaltdel: define broke |
| 20:44.56 | Sesse | ctrlaltdel: have you read the release notes? |
| 20:44.57 | Granden | ok |
| 20:44.58 | deadcat | astronut: #gentoo or #ubuntu has xorg. switch time |
| 20:45.05 | astronut | deadcat: or wait |
| 20:45.09 | abrotman | time switch ? |
| 20:45.09 | astronut | they'll be in sid soon |
| 20:45.10 | fanti | but sid != sarge? |
| 20:45.12 | ctrlaltdel | cannot find an apache2.pm file specified in the apache config |
| 20:45.12 | Ungy | ctrlaltdel, anything in the error log |
| 20:45.12 | deadcat | astronut: then stop bitching |
| 20:45.22 | dos000 | anyone know why debootsrap is failing with http://pastebin.ca/13600 as output ? i have a fresh testing install via debian installer and i did the command at the top |
| 20:45.22 | ctrlaltdel | references to perl paths in the error logs |
| 20:45.22 | reagent | fanti: definitely not |
| 20:45.24 | astronut | deadcat: i wasn't? was just making a comment |
| 20:45.24 | bruce2005 | where can i download the sarge dist.? |
| 20:45.25 | adobbie | deadcat: won't Debian have X.org very soon? |
| 20:45.28 | b0xen | aah finally found a mirror, im happy now |
| 20:45.30 | astronut | bruce2005: ftp.debian.org |
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| 20:45.34 | Rickdangerous | fanti, sid=unstable sarge is stable now |
| 20:45.35 | PeTeRB | fanti: Sid is Sid. Period. |
| 20:45.36 | astronut | adobbie: yes |
| 20:45.37 | deadcat | Granden: it d/c me |
| 20:45.38 | dondelelcaro | adobbie: see /topic |
| 20:45.42 | masoft | Sarge released !!!hooraaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
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| 20:45.47 | deadcat | adobbie: soon. but he wants it now |
| 20:45.50 | dondelelcaro | !topicsmite masoft |
| 20:45.50 | b0xen | masoft: . . . |
| 20:45.51 | Seb | shingouz: damn, looks like nothing changed since I parted yesterday, bruce2005 is still around :D |
| 20:45.51 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon masoft. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:45.51 | fanti | aah i see. thanks |
| 20:45.52 | shingouz | masoft: shut up |
| 20:45.54 | Granden | eyah it removed the server |
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| 20:45.57 | astronut | deadcat: no...i didn't say that |
| 20:45.57 | Granden | I gota re isntall |
| 20:45.58 | astronut | i was commenting |
| 20:45.59 | astronut | offhand |
| 20:46.03 | adobbie | I've been using X.org on sarge for several months |
| 20:46.13 | masoft | shingouz, how r u ? |
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| 20:46.16 | shingouz | Seb: yup. we seem to have a couple of other trolls here too for that matter |
| 20:46.16 | deadcat | Granden: i dont know what you did before. seems pretty bad shape. |
| 20:46.16 | cbr | i use x.org too |
| 20:46.20 | Seb | shingouz: heh |
| 20:46.22 | cbr | 3rd party repos rule! |
| 20:46.25 | b0xen | note to self . . . dont buy ati cards anymore |
| 20:46.28 | shingouz | masoft: ticked off, why do you even ask :p |
| 20:46.28 | Granden | it does why? |
| 20:46.29 | Babbage | Are there any US citizens about with 5 minutes to spare to clue me in on US culture? |
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| 20:46.37 | shingouz | ;) |
| 20:46.37 | abrotman | Babbage: what about it ? |
| 20:46.39 | b0xen | Babbage: Lol what's your question? |
| 20:46.41 | deadcat | Granden: next time try not to mix testing and stable in sources.list either stick with one or the other. |
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| 20:46.52 | dubia1 | I'm trying to mount a ftp using "lufsmount -v ftp://192.168.1.13/PORT1 /tmp/bla" but tells me "/usr/lib/lufs/liblufs-sftp.so:cannot open shared object file" whats wrong??? |
| 20:46.54 | Rickdangerous | Babbage, does it exist :) |
| 20:46.57 | abrotman | be warned .. US has no culture |
| 20:46.58 | Babbage | I have a couple of questions about your educational system. But it's offtopic for #debian. |
| 20:46.59 | deadcat | Granden: dont know because i cant get back in |
| 20:47.04 | Granden | I didnt know which the server had |
| 20:47.10 | Granden | how should I know that? |
| 20:47.10 | astronut | Babbage: whose? |
| 20:47.16 | Seb | hrm, so sarge released, but there are still RC bugs ? |
| 20:47.18 | astronut | Babbage: PM me |
| 20:47.23 | astronut | i'm in the US educational system |
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| 20:47.26 | Granden | okej |
| 20:47.26 | b0xen | Hey I'm offended, we have culture in the US . . . its just that our culture is rediculous thats all |
| 20:47.29 | deadcat | Granden: i think you upgraded to testing then you kept the sources.list as stable |
| 20:47.32 | GrayThunder | culture doesnt exist in the US, except in petri dishes |
| 20:47.35 | dondelelcaro | Seb: there weren't any when it released... but new ones are always being discovered. |
| 20:47.41 | Granden | hmm |
| 20:47.42 | b0xen | WE HAVE CULTURE. . . its just stupid culture |
| 20:47.42 | Seb | dondelelcaro: oh I see |
| 20:47.43 | Granden | okej |
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| 20:47.46 | abrotman | Babbage: ask briefly .. if it's totally OT .. we'll go elsewhere |
| 20:47.47 | Granden | I gota do it tomorrow |
| 20:47.47 | bruce2005 | can we also download the sarge ISO, caus i cant find it in ftp.debian.org, doesn't the ISO supposed to have a deb extension or something? |
| 20:47.48 | cbr | so i hope to have gcc 3.4, xorg 6.8.2, etc in the unstable repo tomorrow, thanks ;D |
| 20:47.52 | Granden | its bed time for me now :P |
| 20:47.54 | Granden | see you |
| 20:47.55 | deadcat | Granden: since your /etc/debian_version is 3.1 and your sources is stable |
| 20:47.58 | abrotman | or i guess .. a long answer :) |
| 20:47.59 | Seb | dondelelcaro: thx for the explanation. So those will be fixed in a .r1 release then ? |
| 20:48.00 | Ungy | the US's Culture is to have no culture |
| 20:48.01 | shingouz | GrayThunder: move to finland and talk about culture in petri dishes... |
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| 20:48.05 | dondelelcaro | Seb: depends |
| 20:48.09 | Granden | night |
| 20:48.12 | Granden | bye deadcat |
| 20:48.14 | deadcat | cbr: once sarge is stablized (= get get the goodies |
| 20:48.16 | deadcat | later |
| 20:48.17 | abrotman | Babbage: ? |
| 20:48.18 | kbs | This is more of a hardware question -- I'm wondering if there are devices/ and/or motherboards+cases that will let me put linux on an "always-on" system [think linksys routers] and provide a network disk drive.? e.g. something like www.soekris.com, but oriented towards disk storage rather than communications |
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| 20:48.23 | justin | dondelelcaro: what about the one I mentioned and the others? |
| 20:48.26 | deadcat | Granden: sorry i couldnt help |
| 20:48.28 | dondelelcaro | Seb: most likely, but that's really up to the stable release manager. |
| 20:48.30 | Granden | np |
| 20:48.30 | cbr | deadcat: but it is stable |
| 20:48.33 | Granden | my fault |
| 20:48.40 | Granden | probaably |
| 20:48.40 | justin | kbs: buffalo technologies or something makes those |
| 20:48.41 | Seb | dondelelcaro: i was looking at the FAM one, which I think is a serious turn-off... But yeah, I understand it's always up to the RM |
| 20:48.43 | deadcat | cbr: not according to my sources (= |
| 20:48.45 | Granden | I fucked it up |
| 20:48.54 | Granden | gonna dl stable tomorrow and use |
| 20:48.55 | dondelelcaro | justin: the one you mentioned was important until after the go/no-go had been given |
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| 20:49.04 | shingouz | kbs: they are around, i have one from bay networks here |
| 20:49.04 | dubia1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.20 | dondelelcaro | dubia1: liblufs-sftp.so does not exist. |
| 20:49.29 | Seb | heheh |
| 20:49.39 | dubia1 | dondelelcaro: yeaps it does... |
| 20:49.41 | kbs | shingouz: pointers to the product? [cheap, I should mention :-)] |
| 20:49.42 | rikva | !sarge |
| 20:49.42 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 20:49.50 | kbs | justin: thanks for the pointer, looking... |
| 20:49.53 | dos000 | kbs, you know there the linksys usb thingy that you can use/hack as nas right ? |
| 20:49.55 | shingouz | kbs: google for linux NAS |
| 20:49.55 | abrotman | rikva: RM has not sent email yet |
| 20:50.22 | kbs | dos000: ah, nope -- enlighten me |
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| 20:50.48 | Rickdangerous | will we get debian 95 after sarge? |
| 20:50.49 | bruce2005 | can we also download the sarge ISO, caus i cant find it in ftp.debian.org, doesn't the ISO supposed to have a deb extension or something? |
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| 20:50.55 | quittt | hey |
| 20:50.56 | tarzeau | y0! how was your parties? |
| 20:50.59 | pureone | i had the same problems with apt-get update on my sarge box. all i did was change deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main to deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main and its all ok |
| 20:51.03 | gpm | who is RM? |
| 20:51.04 | b0xen | somthings wrong with the mirror i think. It says the first dvd iso is 130 megs when im downloading it |
| 20:51.11 | tarzeau | let's play some bubbling? |
| 20:51.13 | dubia1 | dondelelcaro: atleast that's what ls tels me... |
| 20:51.14 | quittt | cool debian is out... is it on the website? |
| 20:51.15 | justin | !+RM |
| 20:51.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rm is used to delete a file (syntax: rm <file>), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2) RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs) |
| 20:51.16 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me install debian |
| 20:51.16 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 20:51.16 | shingouz | bruce2005: no deb extension on it |
| 20:51.17 | kbs | dos000: *nod* google'd it, thanks for the pointer |
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| 20:51.20 | justin | er, not that RM |
| 20:51.28 | Rickdangerous | b0xen, are you using wget? |
| 20:51.36 | deadcat | RM is rick moen right? (= |
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| 20:51.44 | abrotman | !rm |
| 20:51.44 | dpkg | i guess rm is used to delete a file (syntax: rm <file>), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2) RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs) |
| 20:51.46 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: RM is also Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release. |
| 20:51.46 | dpkg | is also Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release. is an unperson |
| 20:51.49 | b0xen | rick: no just a regular download |
| 20:51.49 | streuner | no |
| 20:51.49 | abrotman | Release Manager |
| 20:51.51 | b0xen | no special client |
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| 20:51.57 | ctrlaltdel | exit |
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| 20:52.01 | Talnakh | !ls |
| 20:52.01 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
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| 20:52.12 | jon__ | my security repository doesnt work since today, any idea? |
| 20:52.12 | Talnakh | lol |
| 20:52.13 | xpato | how can i read sysstat files from anothe machine? |
| 20:52.13 | zapalotta | hi |
| 20:52.17 | streuner | and leader of Release Team is 'vorlon` |
| 20:52.18 | naula | bruce2005: that ISO is not at ftp.debian.org |
| 20:52.19 | xpato | in mo machine |
| 20:52.24 | abrotman | jon__: what's it pointing at ? |
| 20:52.26 | bruce2005 | shingouz: i wanted to download the sarge iso and burn it, how can i make a bootable cdrom now? |
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| 20:52.29 | naula | bruce2005: try cdimage.debian.org |
| 20:52.31 | simonrvn | @no sarge is <reply>Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about install debian |
| 20:52.32 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 20:52.35 | illustir | guys, congrats! |
| 20:52.40 | abrotman | bruce2005: a full ISO or just enough to install ? |
| 20:52.43 | kbs | dos000: great, that device might in fact be the trick. thanks |
| 20:52.59 | bruce2005 | aborotman: something to install, want to make a bootable cdrom |
| 20:53.03 | abrotman | !d-i bruce2005 |
| 20:53.04 | dpkg | bruce2005, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 20:53.10 | abrotman | bruce2005: it's a 105MB image to do net installs |
| 20:53.10 | dos000 | kbs, there is also the one from asus http://reviews.cnet.com/Asus_WL_HDD_2_5/4505-3033_7-31080278-2.html?tag=top |
| 20:53.23 | MoDaX | sarge has already been released. even www.debian.org says so. update the topic |
| 20:53.25 | bruce2005 | abrotman: that'll be fine |
| 20:53.35 | dos000 | kbs, both of them have a developper community around them. |
| 20:53.45 | bruce2005 | what happened yesterday was linux didn't boot :( so i have to install it again |
| 20:53.47 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk? |
| 20:53.49 | kbs | dos000: great, many thanks for both pointers |
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| 20:53.57 | TimeKilla | hey guys, i'm fooling around with my xwindows to get familiar. I opened up xconsole to se what it was, how do i close it now? |
| 20:54.00 | TimeKilla | lol, sorry |
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| 20:54.07 | tarzeau | teh BUBBLE BOBBLE server is gnu.ethz.ch NOW! |
| 20:54.09 | Talnakh | !oing |
| 20:54.14 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau? |
| 20:54.17 | Talnakh | !ping |
| 20:54.17 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:54.20 | PeTeRB | !test |
| 20:54.20 | dpkg | No, peterb, you're not online any more. |
| 20:54.39 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: join? |
| 20:54.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: bub-n-bros ? |
| 20:54.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: what else, silly? |
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| 20:54.54 | TimeKilla | guys, how do i close my xconsole in xwindows? |
| 20:54.54 | alvanson | how do you tell what refresh rate X is sending your monitor? |
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| 20:55.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: ok |
| 20:55.02 | kerneld | someone should change the topic to the news link on d.o |
| 20:55.02 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, what was the uri for the program? |
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| 20:55.06 | abrotman | xdpyinfo .. i think |
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| 20:55.11 | abrotman | !bubnbro |
| 20:55.13 | abrotman | !bubnbros |
| 20:55.14 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:55.25 | abrotman | kerneld: ops waiting for email from RM |
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| 20:55.33 | zapalotta | where can I find docs which tell me how to keep my system at sarge? |
| 20:55.36 | binarydigit_ | does no one read the topic |
| 20:55.41 | binarydigit_ | it says "do not tell us about release" |
| 20:55.43 | riot | how is the new testing gonna be called? |
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| 20:55.51 | Choubaka | etch |
| 20:55.57 | ravigehlot | Does anybody here know how to enable couldfusion server under Fedora Core 2? |
| 20:55.57 | alvanson | one after that? |
| 20:56.04 | deadcat | ravigehlot: no |
| 20:56.05 | abrotman | riot: etch |
| 20:56.10 | abrotman | ravigehlot: wrong channel |
| 20:56.13 | deadcat | ravigehlot: you in wrong channel |
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| 20:56.17 | binarydigit_ | ravigehlot: look at where you are |
| 20:56.18 | kerneld | ravigehlot: I think you got the wrong channel :P |
| 20:56.20 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: HTTP://BUB-N-BROS.SF.NET |
| 20:56.21 | ravigehlot | let say in Debian then |
| 20:56.27 | simonrvn | riot: lftp ftp://ftp.debian.org/dists , the ls |
| 20:56.28 | deadcat | kerneld: hes way off (= |
| 20:56.31 | abrotman | ravigehlot: too late .. #fedora |
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| 20:56.33 | deadcat | ravigehlot: no we dont know either |
| 20:56.35 | binarydigit_ | ravigehlot: nice try |
| 20:56.37 | deadcat | abrotman: hahaha |
| 20:56.37 | simonrvn | ravigehlot: let's not. bye |
| 20:56.43 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, is HTTP:// a valid protocol :) |
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| 20:56.52 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: of course |
| 20:56.57 | xhaker | can a router block ident requests? |
| 20:57.03 | kerneld | deadcat: A) non-free, B) non-debian, C) not even latests release of fedora |
| 20:57.06 | simonrvn | oops, /debian/dists |
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| 20:57.19 | deadcat | kerneld: HAHAHAHAH... |
| 20:57.28 | dondelelcaro | xhaker: sure. |
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| 20:57.36 | Koontz_ | wow torrent for cd1 is smoking |
| 20:57.50 | simonrvn | can block the whole interweb... you're point? |
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| 20:58.01 | simonrvn | gah, my spelling sucks today |
| 20:58.07 | simonrvn | your* |
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| 20:58.10 | kerneld | Koontz_: Whers the torrent ? |
| 20:58.19 | deadcat | hey the gwen stefani soundtrack is pretty good (= |
| 20:58.34 | xhaker | dondelelcaro, oidentd is running on 192.168.1.1, but that is the router's IP |
| 20:58.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's contagious |
| 20:58.48 | lewis | why would one want to 'zero superblock'? |
| 20:59.09 | Koontz_ | kerneld: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 20:59.14 | gtigene | What might be the name of the package for version 1 Berkely db(3) C library, or how can I search for it? |
| 20:59.17 | xpato | how can i read sysstat files from anothe machine? |
| 20:59.20 | xpato | in my machine |
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| 20:59.31 | greycat | gtigene: apt-cache search -- lib db -dev |
| 20:59.32 | abrotman | gtigene: of what say what ? |
| 20:59.35 | Xuse | I installed the nvidia drivers, started x and it was fine. I rebooted and it said removing nvidia blah blah links and now it doesn't start. Any idea how to stop it from removing them? |
| 20:59.36 | jon__ | abrotman, sorry, this is the entry: |
| 20:59.37 | abrotman | greycat: i thought you were hiding today |
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| 20:59.49 | jon__ | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 20:59.52 | greycat | abrotman: Jury duty, actually. |
| 20:59.56 | jon__ | and it fails |
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| 21:00.04 | abrotman | greycat: anything good ? |
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| 21:00.09 | dondelelcaro | jon__: because testing does not have security updates. |
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| 21:00.12 | abrotman | jon__: change it from testing to sarge |
| 21:00.15 | CorrsFan | greycat: michael jackson trial? :) |
| 21:00.16 | gtigene | greycat: Thanks again :) |
| 21:00.17 | jon__ | etch is already working, isnt it? |
| 21:00.18 | jla | gtigene library packages start with lib, so like libdb<something> probably |
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| 21:00.24 | abrotman | jon__: change it from testing to sarge |
| 21:00.24 | greycat | abrotman: very time-consuming. |
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| 21:00.29 | jon__ | ah ok, i think it worked unitl today... |
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| 21:00.31 | abrotman | greycat: i meant the case :) |
| 21:00.39 | greycat | abrotman: can't discuss it now. still in jury selection phase. |
| 21:00.40 | gtigene | jla: Thanks |
| 21:00.40 | sgeigerbot | dpkg, oss =~ s/a catchphrase/an acronym/ |
| 21:00.40 | dpkg | OK, sgeigerbot |
| 21:00.40 | deadcat | greycat: michael did it (= |
| 21:00.46 | justin | heh, bittorrent is actually going fast for once |
| 21:00.51 | abrotman | greycat: oh .. lovely .. possibly a long one ? |
| 21:00.53 | b0xen | justin: yeah lol |
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| 21:00.54 | greycat | abrotman: yeah |
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| 21:01.01 | abrotman | greycat: eep .. that stinks .. |
| 21:01.05 | MoDaX | Xuse: do you use deb packages or nvidia installer? |
| 21:01.05 | greycat | Jon: /nick zxcsdfhekrg |
| 21:01.06 | deadcat | justin: much faster than illegal stuff? (= |
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| 21:01.07 | tarzeau | greycat! |
| 21:01.08 | abrotman | jon: change your nick |
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| 21:01.11 | justin | dl speed: 1256.3 KB/s |
| 21:01.14 | justin | deadcat: just a bit ;) |
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| 21:01.16 | Koontz_ | justin: you said it |
| 21:01.18 | Jon | abrotman / greycat: that's a pragmatic answer |
| 21:01.26 | deadcat | justin: hahah |
| 21:01.26 | Koontz_ | here ~15 mbps |
| 21:01.31 | abrotman | jon: i htink it does |
| 21:01.32 | tarzeau | greycat: Do yOu hAve serIalz foR sarGe? |
| 21:01.35 | abrotman | as a plugin/script |
| 21:01.38 | Xuse | the nvidia installer |
| 21:01.39 | greycat | tarzeau: 42 |
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| 21:01.41 | Jon | abrotman: there's prolly a script, yeah |
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| 21:01.47 | uruboro | oh i wanted to share the celebration for sarge, sure it isn't out yet? i gotta go to sleep :> |
| 21:01.47 | Jon | congrats to everyone for their part in getting sarge out btw |
| 21:01.52 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: That's off topic. ;-) |
| 21:01.54 | justin | it's probably going a lot faster.. bittorrent uses a large interval for the... rolling average I think it's called |
| 21:01.59 | deadcat | justin: let me test. but i am still gonna stickw ith my max upload of 3 (= |
| 21:02.00 | Jon | /. still haven't put up a sarge story, not least my submission |
| 21:02.09 | abrotman | jon: no email from the RM |
| 21:02.12 | Lxy | is sarge officially released now? |
| 21:02.16 | Jon | abrotman: that wouldn't stop slashdot |
| 21:02.19 | reagent | Lxy: ywah |
| 21:02.20 | deadcat | !win jon |
| 21:02.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, jon! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 21:02.21 | abrotman | jon: it should :) |
| 21:02.24 | tarzeau | Lxy: sarge is so outdated! |
| 21:02.28 | abrotman | Lxy: no |
| 21:02.30 | simonrvn | 17:02 abrotman : jon: no email from the RM |
| 21:02.32 | Jon | abrotman: ;) |
| 21:02.38 | MoDaX | Xuse: use packages. they are in non-free section (aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common) |
| 21:02.39 | uruboro | Jon my submission to slashdot was: "habemus sarge - 'nuff said" |
| 21:02.42 | Lxy | tarzeau: sarge is SOOOOO this morning |
| 21:02.44 | greycat | tarzeau: heh |
| 21:02.46 | simonrvn | Lxy: ^^^ |
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| 21:02.53 | Jon | uruboro: hehe |
| 21:02.56 | deadcat | justin: damn. i wish my other movie downloads are this fast via torrent )= |
| 21:02.58 | abrotman | i should submit "Next Up: Duke Nukem Forever" .. |
| 21:02.59 | Jon | I submitted a story about the thinkpad x41 tablet too |
| 21:03.04 | Stereo | Lxy: nothing in -announce |
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| 21:03.12 | abrotman | jon: that was on there a *long* time ago |
| 21:03.17 | justin | now that I think of it, I probably should just run jigdo, since I already have all of sarge mirrored on that box |
| 21:03.20 | simonrvn | um, did non-us get dropped from sid? |
| 21:03.20 | deadcat | Jon: you must be proud |
| 21:03.26 | Jon | abrotman: ah the FCC photos were yes, but it was officially unveiled today |
| 21:03.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: hopefully |
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| 21:03.32 | Stereo | Jon: url? |
| 21:03.34 | abrotman | jon: friday i thought |
| 21:03.34 | smagy2 | hello folks, the motherboard has dual opterons and each cpu has 4 memory banks of which 2 banks are filled with 1gig and 2 gig modules. is it possible to tell which ram module has gone bad in in the banks of CPU1, logs http://rafb.net/paste/results/9Bq2gD83.html |
| 21:03.37 | Lxy | well, wtg sarge maintainers! Debian forever! |
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| 21:03.49 | Jon | deadcat: not really, methinks it's a bad sign |
| 21:03.52 | Jon | Stereo: http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2005/06/thinkpad_x41_ta_1.html |
| 21:03.53 | uruboro | which is the new name for testing btw? |
| 21:03.55 | Stereo | About the topic. Is it because it's a secret? |
| 21:03.57 | greycat | !etch |
| 21:03.57 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases> |
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| 21:03.59 | justin | simonrvn: it got dropped from sarge.. no? |
| 21:04.04 | MoDaX | uruboro: etch |
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| 21:04.16 | deadcat | whoa. 31r0? i aint downloading no r0 crap. time to cancel my torrent. |
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| 21:04.28 | simonrvn | @lart deadcat |
| 21:04.28 | deejoe | haha |
| 21:04.30 | b0xen | deadcat: r0 is the first release . . . not a test |
| 21:04.34 | uruboro | oh ok, i might as well the first to ask: When will Etch be out? :D |
| 21:04.37 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: just kill him for me. |
| 21:04.40 | deadcat | b0xen: oh (= |
| 21:04.41 | greycat | !+etch pool |
| 21:04.42 | abrotman | uruboro: too late |
| 21:04.47 | lewis | I apt-get upgraded, and mdadm was installed. It warned me about 'mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/xxx' (device), I don't want to zero the superblock on my RAID array, do I? |
| 21:04.52 | uruboro | ok i tried abrotman ;) |
| 21:04.54 | abrotman | greycat: gonna start it ? |
| 21:04.56 | b0xen | r0 as in unpatched and unupdated. |
| 21:04.59 | simonrvn | greycat: too early for an etch pool |
| 21:05.02 | abrotman | why? |
| 21:05.05 | abrotman | start early |
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| 21:05.13 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: what about a cest pool? |
| 21:05.21 | abrotman | we've got no plans from DPL or RMs .. why not start :) |
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| 21:05.33 | deadcat | why is it when i dist-upgrade my chroot base isntall it doesn update glibc? |
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| 21:05.47 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: cesspool? ;) |
| 21:05.48 | greycat | abrotman: listening to the plans of the RM may be the very *worst* conceivable strategy for choosing an etch release date.... |
| 21:05.49 | Maliuta | anyone got an easy way to take a list of files (from a file) and copy them to a new directory? |
| 21:05.57 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: thanks |
| 21:05.58 | deadcat | or libc6 |
| 21:05.58 | shingouz | ;) |
| 21:06.01 | simonrvn | lewis: read the README.Debian apt-listchanges would've shown you |
| 21:06.11 | greycat | deadcat: because you didn't choose sources that have newer versions? |
| 21:06.13 | deadcat | oh nevermind. heheh |
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| 21:06.27 | _oc_ | Is it worthwhile to use ACPI on a server? |
| 21:06.27 | abrotman | greycat: no kiddin' |
| 21:06.28 | uruboro | i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... |
| 21:06.31 | deadcat | greycat: Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 [4899kB] |
| 21:06.46 | kerneld | I am getting 1.3 MB/s not bad at all :) |
| 21:06.46 | greycat | !overfiendsphallus |
| 21:06.46 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 21:06.47 | lewis | simonrvn: sorry, where is this? |
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| 21:07.02 | _oc_ | Alot of ACPI instructions are recognized on boot, but im configuring a new kernel now, and thought about removing ACPI support... suggestions? |
| 21:07.08 | uruboro | exactly |
| 21:07.10 | abrotman | :dstats hamm |
| 21:07.14 | abrotman | :dstats sarge |
| 21:07.15 | greycat | _oc_: have a backup kernel ready./ |
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| 21:07.17 | abrotman | bah |
| 21:07.21 | abrotman | !dstats hamm |
| 21:07.23 | simonrvn | lewis: you better not be a sid user..... /usr/share/doc/mdadm/ |
| 21:07.25 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 21:07.26 | astronut | ~dstats sarge |
| 21:07.27 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on hamm... 1852 packages, 262 maintainers, 1999 MB installed size, 739 MB compressed size. |
| 21:07.27 | deadcat | kerneld: all those torrents i thought they were porn at first (=.. 650MB right (= |
| 21:07.29 | Xuse | Could someone send me there sarge sources.list? |
| 21:07.30 | _oc_ | greycat: disabling ACPI might be dangerous? |
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| 21:07.33 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15691 packages, 1472 maintainers, 28253 MB installed size, 8894 MB compressed size. |
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| 21:07.35 | lewis | ah - k - sarge :P |
| 21:07.41 | abrotman | damn .. hamm almost fit on one CD :) |
| 21:07.43 | astronut | Xuse: sure |
| 21:07.46 | greycat | _oc_: not per se.... just general safety nets. |
| 21:07.46 | astronut | Xuse: pm ok? |
| 21:07.50 | [Granger] | hmm |
| 21:07.52 | Xuse | yea thanks. |
| 21:08.14 | lewis | reading changelog.Debian.gz... |
| 21:08.15 | abrotman | erm .. apt_ and dpkg don't agree |
| 21:08.15 | greycat | apt's sarge is smaller than dpkg's sarge? |
| 21:08.17 | _oc_ | greycat: I thought ACPI was mainly something you wanted in Laptops.. this is a blade server... |
| 21:08.20 | bd_ | !dstats etch |
| 21:08.20 | LabThug | 8.8 GB, whew! |
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| 21:08.36 | astronut | who knows anything about the email lists? |
| 21:08.37 | [Granger] | anyone have an example of how a sarge sources.list should look like? |
| 21:08.43 | simonrvn | difference of arch... |
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| 21:08.46 | sgeigerbot | astronut: ask |
| 21:08.53 | abrotman | [Granger]: what do yours look like ? |
| 21:08.56 | Jon | there's a lot of fuss about the #CDs, which I think, isn't that important. I doubt 90% of people who can't use www for their packages would need beyond CD 3 |
| 21:09.03 | gvandora | How does one view the bootlog on a debian system? |
| 21:09.09 | [Granger] | abrotman: I'm trying to change it from testing to sarge |
| 21:09.11 | astronut | sgeigerbot: why can't they run SA on top of them, and put bounced into a queue |
| 21:09.15 | greycat | gvandora: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 21:09.16 | jla | [Granger] http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 21:09.16 | astronut | i subscribed and i'm getting lots of spam |
| 21:09.21 | simonrvn | gvandora: with a pager |
| 21:09.26 | abrotman | [Granger]: s/testing/sarge/g |
| 21:09.27 | [Granger] | jla: thank you |
| 21:09.36 | _oc_ | !acpi |
| 21:09.36 | dpkg | somebody said acpi was Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 21:09.39 | thingfish | that's kind of what I was hoping, that most people wouldn't need more than the first 3 or 4 cds. |
| 21:09.39 | dippo | anyone know if there's a way to force scp to use a certain umask? |
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| 21:09.56 | astronut | dippo: man sshd_config perhaps? |
| 21:09.57 | lewis | simonrvn: bah - the changelog doesn't tell me about 'zero-superblocks' - i'll forget about the warning error |
| 21:09.59 | astronut | or ssh_config |
| 21:10.04 | dippo | nothing relevant in sshd_config |
| 21:10.09 | simonrvn | dippo: the umask should already be set. no scp doesn't set the umask |
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| 21:10.21 | doub | hi all |
| 21:10.33 | gvandora | simonrvn: a pager? I saw somethinga bout a ramdisk.... I not sure where to look |
| 21:10.34 | sgeigerbot | astronut: For more authoritative info on spamassassin: /join #spamassassin |
| 21:10.39 | simonrvn | lewis: i said README, not changelog. and also read the NEWS.* one |
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| 21:10.54 | greycat | gvandora: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 21:10.55 | astronut | sgeigerbot: i'm talking about the debian mailing lists, not the program |
| 21:10.57 | simonrvn | gvandora: pager == w3m, less, more, most, etc. |
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| 21:11.06 | kenobi | ah at last |
| 21:11.09 | kenobi | congrats! |
| 21:11.12 | lewis | the README.udev is concerning mdadm and udev package. there is no news one. |
| 21:11.15 | reagent | hi kenobi |
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| 21:11.19 | dippo | i've got some users intereacting witha particular path via scp and I have the directory setgid and if i could force umask 0002 they could effectively all have control over this particular directory |
| 21:11.25 | gvandora | simonrvn: htanks |
| 21:11.25 | dippo | but i don't see any way to do the latter unfortunately |
| 21:11.26 | gvandora | exit |
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| 21:12.15 | simonrvn | lewis: read the sid Changelog.Debian |
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| 21:12.28 | deadcat | is it me or the sarge installer is bloated? compare to woody? like hotplug |
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| 21:12.41 | greycat | deadcat: it's VERY slow on old machines. |
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| 21:12.50 | kristiank | j #tarabel |
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| 21:12.57 | shingouz | deadcat: not just you. chroot install on old hardware |
| 21:12.59 | deadcat | greycat: ya. i better save a copy of the woody cd1 just incase |
| 21:13.01 | greycat | deadcat: but then again, so are dselect, dpkg and apt-get. |
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| 21:13.17 | lewis | simonrvn: downloading... |
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| 21:14.18 | tarzeau | deadcat: /win 14 |
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| 21:14.30 | lewis | simonrvn: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/mdadm/mdadm_1.9.0-4.1/changelog ? |
| 21:14.37 | deadcat | tarzeau: huh? i only have 1 and 2 |
| 21:14.50 | simonrvn | lewis: sec |
| 21:14.52 | tarzeau | deadcat: that was not for you, honey |
| 21:15.04 | deadcat | tarzeau: sorry babe |
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| 21:15.32 | tarzeau | deadcat: please take your hands from my leg |
| 21:15.38 | simonrvn | lewis: yes, and fetch the deb and read the NEWS file |
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| 21:15.41 | deadcat | cant believe i just upgraded to sarge on the chroot. i better make sure its real. |
| 21:15.47 | deadcat | tarzeau: )=... |
| 21:16.08 | deadcat | tarzeau: cant let the other users here find out our relationship |
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| 21:16.31 | dippo | too late, i just slashdotted it |
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| 21:16.35 | doub | deadcat: rest assured we don't know anything |
| 21:16.37 | shingouz | deadcat: you sure it hasn't leaked already? |
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| 21:16.46 | Koontz_ | watching sarge download at 1.6 Mb's per sec is better than... wait i better shut up |
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| 21:16.58 | jasoncohen | can someone explain with aptitude output to me. i ran with aptitude -f --without-recommends dist-upgrade and it wants to install 37 new packages. it doesn't do this with aptitiude -f upgrade |
| 21:17.03 | deadcat | shingouz: too late now (= |
| 21:17.06 | jasoncohen | here's the output - http://pastebin.ca/13605 |
| 21:17.08 | shingouz | yup |
| 21:17.13 | mr_clark | which site has the new version already? |
| 21:17.18 | deadcat | this might sound strange. but can someone find me a link to the woody cd1 iso please. |
| 21:17.29 | doub | !topicsmite mr_clark |
| 21:17.30 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mr_clark. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:17.35 | justin | deadcat: you can't just use jigdo? |
| 21:17.36 | deadcat | i lost my cd1. i have 2-7 |
| 21:17.41 | greycat | deadcat: should be on the mirrors; if not then check "archives". |
| 21:17.54 | greycat | deadcat: archive.debian.org |
| 21:17.55 | deadcat | greycat: berkeley only has 3.1r0 |
| 21:18.00 | shingouz | deadcat: you too, huh. i think i need to do the same d/l in a couple of days |
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| 21:18.19 | kerneld | My torrents are a bit inefficient. 2G down, and only 200M in the file, whats the deal with that? |
| 21:18.23 | [Granger] | where do you check the version in debian? |
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| 21:18.28 | lewis | simonrvn: it doesn't mention a news file in here: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=mdadm&version=unstable&arch=i386 - can you tell me what I should about the 'zero-superblock' warning, if I already have a working array? |
| 21:18.32 | deadcat | got it. thanks yall. just gonna get teh 30r1 |
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| 21:18.55 | jetscreamer | !say are we there yet? |
| 21:18.56 | dpkg | are we there yet |
| 21:18.58 | Kjetil | *wonders when sarge is released* |
| 21:19.00 | simonrvn | lewis: just means you need to run mdadm with certain options |
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| 21:19.17 | greycat | dpkg: wherever you go, there you are. |
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| 21:19.32 | lewis | will it upset my current array though? running 'mdadm --zero-superblocks /dev/md0 |
| 21:19.43 | jetscreamer | !say geycat that's so philisophical it's pathetic |
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| 21:19.44 | dpkg | geycat that's so philisophical it's pathetic |
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| 21:20.05 | doub | greycat: can't the !say factoid make dpkg loop? like '!say !say' |
| 21:20.16 | daxxar | !say hi |
| 21:20.17 | dpkg | hi |
| 21:20.21 | greycat | doub: the bots detect *simplistic* loops ("someone already said that 2s ago") |
| 21:20.23 | martok | Is there anything special you need to do to install Sarge on a sata drive. I've tried the linux target which doesn't detect the hd and linux26 detects it during install but kernel panics on system bootup. |
| 21:20.32 | daxxar | doub, I doubt dpkg triggers on his own messages? |
| 21:20.36 | daxxar | !say !apt |
| 21:20.36 | dpkg | !apt |
| 21:20.38 | jetscreamer | !say !say this now |
| 21:20.38 | dpkg | !say this now |
| 21:20.40 | streuner | greycat: ;-) |
| 21:20.42 | daxxar | !apt |
| 21:20.42 | dpkg | methinks apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. |
| 21:20.49 | daxxar | You see? It won't trigger on outgoing messages. |
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| 21:21.11 | common | !release |
| 21:21.11 | dpkg | When is release ... the official answer: "Debian has a strict policy of never announcing release dates; therefore, the release date for ``sarge'' is not yet known.", or Stable release is "woody" (3.0), Testing release is "sarge", following that will be "etch" |
| 21:21.18 | ethics | mortok: you may need to use linux26 at the boot prompt of the netinst |
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| 21:21.21 | daxxar | (because IRC doesn't echo your own messages back, and even if it did, you'd probably code the bot to NOT reply to itself) |
| 21:21.24 | jetscreamer | !say ~say !say |
| 21:21.25 | dpkg | ~say !say |
| 21:21.29 | apt | !say |
| 21:21.30 | dpkg | say what? |
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| 21:21.37 | daxxar | sarge |
| 21:21.38 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 21:21.39 | daxxar | !sarge |
| 21:21.39 | dpkg | i heard sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me install debian, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... |
| 21:21.40 | shingouz | jetscreamer: hah |
| 21:21.42 | greycat | OK, that's enough botplay. |
| 21:21.43 | daxxar | =) |
| 21:21.44 | PeTeRB | !abuse |
| 21:21.44 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 21:22.01 | ne | hooray ! http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 21:22.14 | sdb__ | ne: we know |
| 21:22.19 | shingouz | ne: believe it or not but we already know about it... |
| 21:22.21 | PeTeRB | For how long does dpkg STFU if told so? |
| 21:22.25 | ne | sdb__ hooray anyway |
| 21:22.37 | shingouz | PeTeRB: huh? |
| 21:22.42 | sdb__ | why do people have to be so pompous about it? |
| 21:22.48 | sdb__ | as if giving them a good LART makes you feel better |
| 21:23.01 | PeTeRB | shingouz: The 'dpkg: shut up' thing |
| 21:23.15 | ne | sdb__ topic ? |
| 21:23.23 | shingouz | PeTeRB: can dpkg actually be shut up? wow :) |
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| 21:23.35 | lewis | will running 'mdadm --zero-superblocks /dev/md0' upset an existing drive array? |
| 21:23.38 | elcuco | HELLO!!!! |
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| 21:23.43 | elcuco | PARTY!!! WHOHHOOOO! |
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| 21:23.43 | ne | sdb__ because we have been waiting for year for sarge to be released |
| 21:23.46 | PeTeRB | shingouz: Maybe not. Maybe the time I noticed that it just was laggy |
| 21:23.46 | sdb__ | ne: I've been reading this channel and getting silently fed up of all the egos here |
| 21:23.50 | shingouz | !lart elcuco |
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| 21:23.55 | binarydigit | http://www.formorer.de/blogs/uploads/phd-sarge.png |
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| 21:23.57 | sdb__ | see? |
| 21:24.20 | nvz | I just made up a cd in k3b nd realized my burner is not even in my pc.. looks like I am going for some downtime to hook it up |
| 21:24.22 | ne | sdb__ ok so, why isn't etch ready yet ?! ? |
| 21:24.24 | greycat | sdb__: if you don't like it, you're free to leave |
| 21:24.33 | jetscreamer | !worship the ego of sdb__ |
| 21:24.33 | sdb__ | greycat: yes, I am. that's what sucks, here |
| 21:24.42 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 21:24.42 | shingouz | here we go... <ne> sdb__ ok so, why isn't etch ready yet ?! ? |
| 21:24.44 | joel_ | how can I make a shell script execute every time someone logs in? (preferrably both local and ssh logins) |
| 21:24.49 | sdb__ | greycat, there's nothing anyone can do, except leave. |
| 21:24.54 | greycat | !wikifaq joel_ DotFiles |
| 21:24.55 | dpkg | joel_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:25.01 | doub | sdb__: jsut get a life then. well, that's what i keep saying myself for the past hour... |
| 21:25.03 | PeTeRB | binarydigit: Hehe |
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| 21:25.12 | starmax | how |
| 21:25.13 | starmax | night |
| 21:25.20 | binarydigit | sarge is released, what next apple switching to intel!? |
| 21:25.20 | binarydigit | oh wait |
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| 21:25.23 | jetscreamer | heh everybody's d/l'ing sarge, i'm d/l'ing breezy dvd |
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| 21:25.30 | dondelelcaro | right... since no one can do anything about it... lets complain. |
| 21:25.33 | starmax | sarge is updating on mirrors |
| 21:25.36 | fo0bar | uhh... slight problem... I boot the netinst CD, install base system, reboot, base-config is run... I select a mirror, it downloads sources from that mirror, and then tries to download security updates from TESTING... ??? |
| 21:25.38 | greycat | !ubuntusmite jetscreamer |
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| 21:25.47 | jetscreamer | hey i gotta look |
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| 21:25.58 | starmax | . first tier |
| 21:25.58 | deadcat | i still dont get freakin xterm, when i highlight something. and try to paste in firefox. the buffer is gone unless the text is still hightlighted. |
| 21:25.59 | streuner | jetscreamer: you are pretty wrong, we celebrate sarge now... |
| 21:25.59 | starmax | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:26.06 | cuti | wow |
| 21:26.10 | cuti | sarge is release? |
| 21:26.11 | greycat | deadcat: correct |
| 21:26.18 | streuner | cuti: yes |
| 21:26.22 | masoft | does debian installer changed in Debian Sarge ? I download Sarge 1 month ago |
| 21:26.22 | cuti | cool :D |
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| 21:26.25 | shingouz | fo0bar: you need to hack the sources.list in this case, you may not have the latest version of the installer |
| 21:26.26 | cuti | how do i upgrade it |
| 21:26.27 | cuti | ? |
| 21:26.27 | jetscreamer | hooray for sarge being released! i'll still run siddis |
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| 21:26.35 | cuti | i'm using sarge |
| 21:26.37 | greycat | masoft: if you've already installed sarge, just update it |
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| 21:26.40 | deadcat | greycat: aint no fix? aterm i can highlight and when the highlighted text is gone. its still primary buffer. |
| 21:26.42 | jetscreamer | cuti: just have sarge in your sources |
| 21:26.44 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's actually firefox that's broken... |
| 21:26.45 | starmax | what's the first tier of debian? |
| 21:26.45 | uruboro | cuti, sarge is released, apple switches to intel. World ends tomorrow. |
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| 21:26.46 | ne | cuti apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:26.51 | starmax | what's the first tier of debian mirrors?? |
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| 21:26.59 | jetscreamer | starmax: first tier of mirrors i think |
| 21:27.01 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:27.03 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 21:27.03 | fo0bar | shingouz: same md5sum as http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 21:27.04 | shingouz | uruboro: pigs may fly tomorrow |
| 21:27.04 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh. then let me try dillo and links2 |
| 21:27.09 | masoft | greycat, apt-get dist-upgrade or just upgrade ? |
| 21:27.14 | shingouz | fo0bar: hack the sources.list |
| 21:27.14 | aruiz | hello guis |
| 21:27.18 | cuti | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 21:27.27 | greycat | masoft: shouldn't matter much. it's been largely frozen for that whole month. |
| 21:27.32 | uruboro | hehe well shingouz, i heard gates has a private jet. |
| 21:27.41 | jetscreamer | i would imagine |
| 21:27.43 | aruiz | where am I? |
| 21:27.43 | shingouz | !beer uruboro |
| 21:27.44 | greycat | masoft: so there should nto have been any serious changes to package dependency structuers |
| 21:27.48 | jetscreamer | nowhere |
| 21:27.53 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hmm. i guess firefox and xsel are broken too. shit |
| 21:27.54 | cuti | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 21:27.55 | cuti | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 21:27.56 | jetscreamer | you are nowhere |
| 21:27.57 | shingouz | aruiz: are you sure you want to know? |
| 21:27.57 | zorton | what are files such as "pool/main/a/acl/acl_2.2.29-1.tar.gz" doing in the pool? shouldn't all the files in the pool be .deb's? |
| 21:27.57 | uruboro | hehe shingouz that was too easy ;) |
| 21:27.59 | cuti | is this right? |
| 21:28.03 | aruiz | thanks bye |
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| 21:28.10 | uruboro | shingouz, thank u anyway :) |
| 21:28.11 | jetscreamer | yeah looks ok to me cuti |
| 21:28.21 | cuti | jetscreamer, but it doesnt update anything |
| 21:28.22 | shingouz | uruboro: now he should jsut imitate the muppets and go "pigs in space" |
| 21:28.28 | cuti | when i do apt-get update |
| 21:28.32 | dondelelcaro | zorton: those are source tarballs. |
| 21:28.32 | jetscreamer | cuti: i'd make them all ftp or http if it was me |
| 21:28.37 | jetscreamer | but i'm anal |
| 21:28.42 | aruiz | somebody speak spanish? |
| 21:28.44 | doub | zorton: shoudn't all the #debian (l)users RTFM? |
| 21:28.44 | jetscreamer | cuti do it whenver you want |
| 21:28.46 | greycat | !es |
| 21:28.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:28.47 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 21:28.47 | shingouz | !es |
| 21:28.48 | dondelelcaro | zorton: you'll also notice .dsc and .diff.gz |
| 21:28.52 | jetscreamer | damn too slow |
| 21:28.54 | doub | zorton: it's a source package |
| 21:28.55 | shingouz | damn, we are too triggerhappy tonight |
| 21:29.01 | cuti | jetscreamer, it doesnt update when i do apt-get update |
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| 21:29.10 | zorton | that's what's troubling me, I don't see the .dsc and the .diff.gz |
| 21:29.15 | jetscreamer | cuti: then there's nothing you need to update atm |
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| 21:29.18 | uruboro | shingouz, hehe that was a show :) hehehehe it was funny even the italian dub |
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| 21:29.19 | ne | cuti check /etc/apt/source.list |
| 21:29.22 | aruiz | ok bye |
| 21:29.30 | zorton | thinking I might have screwed up in the rsync script somewhere |
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| 21:29.38 | shingouz | uruboro: luckily i havent seen it dubbed |
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| 21:29.46 | jetscreamer | cuti: do you mean the package list d/l borks, or there's no d/l of updated programs |
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| 21:29.53 | deadcat | whats the factoid for the sarge betting thing? |
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| 21:29.59 | cuti | there's no d/l of updated programs |
| 21:30.01 | uruboro | shingouz, of course they would lose 70% of the gags in translation |
| 21:30.02 | mae | Where can i find information on the marillat repo? |
| 21:30.03 | joeyh | hi, if there's a channel admin somewhere, I suggest you point users to #debian-boot for any installation issues for sarge this channel cannot deal with |
| 21:30.08 | e2k | replacing testing with stable in /etc/apt/sources.list is enough for keeping my system the stable release? |
| 21:30.09 | streuner | deadat: debian pool |
| 21:30.12 | pusling | !marillat |
| 21:30.12 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 21:30.12 | shingouz | uruboro: at least 70% that is true |
| 21:30.13 | jetscreamer | cuti: then you're current atm, check back later |
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| 21:30.14 | deadcat | !tell mae about marillat |
| 21:30.19 | greycat | e2k: yes |
| 21:30.20 | yarddog | if a package is kept back on apt-get upgrade, is that because of a dependency issue that would break the box? |
| 21:30.22 | shingouz | uruboro: and a pity at the same time |
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| 21:30.25 | jetscreamer | e2k: sarge or stable either/or |
| 21:30.35 | streuner | dpkg, debian pool |
| 21:30.35 | e2k | thanks |
| 21:30.39 | jetscreamer | yarddog: or something it needs hasn't been updated |
| 21:30.39 | dondelelcaro | joeyh: yeah, we're usually fine for most things... if it's wierd we'll send them your way. |
| 21:30.44 | dondelelcaro | joeyh: or you can stay here and triage them. |
| 21:30.45 | cuti | jetscreamer, how long do i have to wait? |
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| 21:30.54 | jetscreamer | cuti: till there's something to do |
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| 21:31.00 | mae | !aleoth |
| 21:31.01 | yarddog | jetscreamer: so patience and it'll fix in a few days? |
| 21:31.02 | cuti | oh |
| 21:31.06 | crylyx | hi, does somebody know..if i install gnome. can i get native language support in the default installation or do i have to install something special then? |
| 21:31.09 | streuner | deadat: sarge pool |
| 21:31.12 | jetscreamer | cuti: apt-get install cron-apt |
| 21:31.14 | deadcat | streuner: thanks |
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| 21:31.22 | jetscreamer | yarddog: usually that's how it works for me |
| 21:31.22 | otje | nice work ppl on the upgrade, congrats |
| 21:31.25 | greycat | dondelelcaro: but if he stays here he'll be corrupted! |
| 21:31.31 | yarddog | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 21:31.33 | streuner | deadcat: seems that i nipple too much on Sekt ;-) |
| 21:31.34 | dogmeat | off hand, anyone use gnu tool 'autoconfig' for regression testing? |
| 21:31.37 | zorton | I think a more to the point question would be should all source tarballs conform to the *.orig.tar.gz filename or can they be .tar.gz's as well? |
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| 21:31.38 | joeyh | dondelelcaro: well, I may not be around, and am still doing other release stuff |
| 21:31.47 | deadcat | streuner: hahaha... |
| 21:31.53 | jetscreamer | ooo chan is up about a 100 peeps |
| 21:31.55 | cuti | jetscreamer, i installed cron-apt |
| 21:31.56 | cuti | what now |
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| 21:32.04 | uruboro | anyway, italians have 'fantozzi' saga and those terence hill bud spencer first movies, so it's enough to feel contented about original film art ;) |
| 21:32.22 | shingouz | heheh |
| 21:32.22 | jetscreamer | cuti: now your updates wil be downloaded automatically, for your later installation pleasure |
| 21:32.24 | LSorensen | cuti: every night it will download new packages but not install them |
| 21:32.30 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 21:32.30 | prodope | if i'm using unstable now, do i need to do anything to move to sarge? |
| 21:32.30 | joeyh | dondelelcaro: also, <http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer> is a nice url with quick links to all sorts of install images, which was unfortunatly underpublisized |
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| 21:32.34 | caphuso | uruboro: not to forget a whole bunch of 1970ies horror and soft porn movies |
| 21:32.38 | joeyh | so you might point downloaders there |
| 21:32.39 | LSorensen | cuti: when you run apt-get dist-upgrade it should have already downloaded them so you don't have to wait |
| 21:32.40 | greycat | prodope: reinstall. |
| 21:32.45 | jetscreamer | prodope: yeah ^^ |
| 21:32.48 | jayceeUK | Evening all. Just wanted to come and say a big "well done/thank you!" to any and all involved with the release - thanks a million :-) |
| 21:32.49 | cuti | wow |
| 21:32.50 | cuti | neat |
| 21:32.50 | ne | joeyh will you still take care of the security release of sarge ? |
| 21:32.53 | cuti | thanks :) |
| 21:32.58 | jetscreamer | np |
| 21:33.00 | LSorensen | prodope: unstable will never move to anything else. |
| 21:33.02 | deadcat | streuner: is that like whoever gets closest WITHOUT going over? (= because Rydekull=2005-06-07 is JUST over hahah |
| 21:33.02 | greycat | ne: the security team should be handling sarge now. |
| 21:33.06 | prodope | ok |
| 21:33.09 | cinix | !tell cinix one-liner |
| 21:33.25 | greycat | cinix: /msg dpkg <your phrase here> |
| 21:33.26 | LSorensen | prodope: if you run unstable, you run unstable and that's that. |
| 21:33.26 | deadcat | cinix: use /msg dpkg its nvidia one-liner |
| 21:33.28 | punsad | so anyone upgrade from woody to sarge? lately? curious about how smooth the transistion for "stable" boxes are going |
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| 21:33.32 | uruboro | caphuso, yeah argento and bava films, but that is imported stuff if you think about it :) |
| 21:33.34 | jim | cinix: /msg dpkg <whatever> |
| 21:33.37 | cinix | ahh. thanks |
| 21:33.43 | cinix | sorry :) |
| 21:33.43 | LSorensen | prodope: peopel running testing could stick with testing or transition to stable by following sarge right now |
| 21:33.44 | jim | rather than !tell me |
| 21:33.49 | deadcat | punsad: i did it while chatting here. so it works. |
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| 21:34.01 | streuner | deadcat: well g4lt is pretty wrong too ;-) (When the hell freezes over) |
| 21:34.06 | punsad | deadcat: any hiccups? |
| 21:34.07 | jim | cinix: don't worry too much; glad you're willing. |
| 21:34.16 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, install debian is <reply> There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about install guide for detailed instructionss. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 21:34.16 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 21:34.30 | deadcat | punsad: only sshd because i already have ssh running outside the chroot. |
| 21:34.36 | jim | sooo... is it soup yet? |
| 21:34.37 | greycat | dpkg, install debian =~ s/install guide/<install guide>/ |
| 21:34.37 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 21:34.52 | csch | hi guys |
| 21:34.52 | greycat | jim: it's wet and sloppy. does that count? |
| 21:34.54 | caphuso | uruboro: less imported than the italo western |
| 21:34.55 | punsad | deadcat: sounds great |
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| 21:35.06 | gahan | damn, i wonder if i want to reinstall Debian to check out the d-i! |
| 21:35.06 | jim | sounds like something :) |
| 21:35.06 | csch | how can I install php with mssql support ? |
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| 21:35.17 | deadcat | punsad: ya. only 26MB for me though since mine was only a base woody chroot. |
| 21:35.18 | uruboro | oh indeed caphuso the italo western is another genre to be proud of :) |
| 21:35.18 | jim | csch: ask ms.com |
| 21:35.24 | csch | no |
| 21:35.26 | csch | in debin |
| 21:35.29 | csch | debian |
| 21:35.29 | deadcat | csch: apt-cache search |
| 21:35.32 | csch | no in windwos |
| 21:35.36 | gpm | gahan: you don't have to install debian to check it out...you could just boot it up. |
| 21:35.38 | Koontz_ | well gonna have some fun installing it. cheers all |
| 21:35.45 | jim | csch: mssql? |
| 21:35.49 | csch | yes |
| 21:35.52 | csch | in php |
| 21:35.54 | uruboro | caphuso it was imported but transformed into something different |
| 21:35.55 | greycat | griffon:~$ apt-cache search -- mssql |
| 21:35.55 | greycat | tinyhoneypot - Small honeypot to trap attackers |
| 21:35.56 | xrgtn_ | What is HZ used for? |
| 21:35.58 | PeTeRB | csch: Make up your mind. |
| 21:36.02 | deadcat | csch: we dont have mssql |
| 21:36.03 | csch | to use mssql_* functions |
| 21:36.05 | jim | forget that horrible crap and use postgresql, a real database |
| 21:36.09 | greycat | xrgtn_: ask a linux kernel hacker channel |
| 21:36.16 | conrey|away | exit |
| 21:36.17 | xrgtn_ | Is there any program that uses the HZ envvar? |
| 21:36.22 | greycat | xrgtn_: Linux |
| 21:36.28 | csch | dont be stuped man |
| 21:36.28 | greycat | and it's not an *environment* variable. |
| 21:36.31 | csch | I dont like ms too |
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| 21:36.39 | jim | csch: so why bother? |
| 21:36.41 | csch | but I have to use this |
| 21:36.45 | jim | just asking... |
| 21:36.46 | csch | for a client |
| 21:36.49 | error403 | !sex |
| 21:36.49 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 21:36.52 | jasoncohen | how long will it take for ftp.debian.org to show sarge packages as stable? |
| 21:36.52 | greycat | csch: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:36.52 | error403 | :O |
| 21:36.56 | jim | ohh, so you get paid for this :) |
| 21:36.56 | error403 | hmmm |
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| 21:37.04 | jim | there's money on the table :) |
| 21:37.05 | greycat | jim: in theory. |
| 21:37.15 | shingouz | error403: /msg dpkg foo rather than fooling in the channel, ok? |
| 21:37.21 | uruboro | caphuso italian western misses all the 'frontier' stuff and concentrates on the single. I mean star trek is more of a western than italian western films :) |
| 21:37.21 | xrgtn_ | greycat: It's used to be set by login (see man 1 login in SunOS for example) |
| 21:37.28 | error403 | sorry shingouz |
| 21:37.31 | greycat | xrgtn_: news flash: this ain't SunOS. |
| 21:37.32 | rob_lt | So is there going to be a new debian installer for etch, or if we want to use the d-i, are we going to have to install sarge first? |
| 21:37.32 | kotzbrocken | csh: www.freetds.org if you can use ODBC |
| 21:37.40 | caphuso | uruboro: hehe |
| 21:37.46 | jim | csch, look into odbc |
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| 21:37.51 | greycat | although I guess there is an HZ environment variable. Never noticed it. |
| 21:37.56 | csch | no I need to use native mssql functions |
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| 21:37.58 | xrgtn_ | greycat: I know. shadow uses it too, but HZ is not documented _here_ |
| 21:38.09 | uruboro | caphuso that's the way i see it, really :) |
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| 21:38.13 | jim | that might not be possible unless YOU write the bindings. |
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| 21:38.24 | crylyx | help please: i installed a different language when installing the system (sarge, serbian language), now i want to switch back to english default, but many apps like gaim or nano still show the old language. especially in GTK, how can i fix this? |
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| 21:38.33 | greycat | crylyx: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:38.38 | xrgtn_ | greycat: I think there's no sense in having different HZ for different processes too... |
| 21:38.50 | greycat | xrgtn_: it's probably vestigial |
| 21:38.51 | uruboro | ok so has debian.mars reflected the updates? is sarge out? ;) |
| 21:39.10 | Marex | peca: no toto :)) |
| 21:39.17 | csch | I find this |
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| 21:39.23 | csch | using apt-cache |
| 21:39.24 | csch | php5-mssql - MSSQL module for php5 |
| 21:39.25 | ne | is there a way to run the stock 2.6 debian kernel in 100HZ mode ? |
| 21:39.31 | xrgtn_ | I agree with this. But we need to dig deeper |
| 21:39.33 | Marex | alekibango: maras :)) |
| 21:39.35 | csch | but I use php4 |
| 21:39.42 | shingouz | ne: what? |
| 21:39.49 | xrgtn_ | greycat: to be able to deal with e.g. bug #265613 |
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| 21:39.52 | jim | uruboro: as far as we know sarge is cming out... subscribe to debian-announce |
| 21:39.56 | crylyx | greycat: i did that. choose only english locale. everything is en_US. but still the same problem |
| 21:39.59 | greycat | csch: that's one more than I had when I searched. |
| 21:40.01 | ne | shingouz by default 2.6 run in 1000HZ mode |
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| 21:40.30 | csch | so my cache is not updated ? |
| 21:40.36 | shingouz | ne: two possibilities: i do not know what you are talking about or you are on crack |
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| 21:40.46 | adobbie | ne: to what are you referring? |
| 21:40.49 | csch | I'm not familiar with apt options |
| 21:41.06 | mwe | how do I run a command each time X starts? |
| 21:41.09 | greycat | xrgtn_: maybe someone in one of the comp.unix.* usenet groups might have an answer...? |
| 21:41.09 | ne | adobbie the timer iterrupt on i386 |
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| 21:41.19 | greycat | !wikifaq mwe DotFiles |
| 21:41.20 | dpkg | mwe: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:41.25 | adobbie | ne: are you talking about RTC? |
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| 21:41.29 | ne | adobbie nope |
| 21:41.33 | xsdg | I've got two Card Flash cards that I formatted, but would like the contents back from; I assume they're both FAT32. How do I go about this? (I don't have the google juice to not find hits that I don't want) |
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| 21:41.36 | jim | csch: then by all means, read up in the docs :) |
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| 21:41.50 | ne | adobbie cat /proc/interrupts | head -2 |
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| 21:42.10 | jim | csch, I think we both know that kind of thing is difficult on irc... |
| 21:42.11 | xsdg | this program does exactly what I want, but is for OS X: http://www.bluem.net/downloads/exif-untrasher_en/ |
| 21:42.12 | starmax | 23:26 < starmax> cool |
| 21:42.12 | starmax | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.12 | csch | this means that you can't help |
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| 21:42.13 | starmax | [#netbsd] |
| 21:42.14 | ne | adobbie set to 1000hz on 2.6 |
| 21:42.15 | starmax | 23:26 < starmax> cool |
| 21:42.15 | greycat | even after an apt-get update in sid. |
| 21:42.17 | starmax | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.20 | starmax | [#netbsd] |
| 21:42.21 | crylyx | greycat: any other suggestion maybe? |
| 21:42.22 | csch | ok |
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| 21:42.27 | ne | adobbie but if you want to run debian inside say vmware |
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| 21:42.40 | PeTeRB | starmax: ??? |
| 21:42.40 | greycat | crylyx: did you logout and back in? |
| 21:42.42 | mdke | hi there. I am running sarge. Since it came out today, do I need to change my sources.list at all? should I change "testing" to "stable"? sorry for the n00b question |
| 21:42.44 | csch | jim: what docs can I read ? |
| 21:42.44 | jim | csch: this means you can help yourself, and may NEVER get help unless you do, and show that you have. |
| 21:42.45 | ne | adobbie it's better to run it in 100Hz mode |
| 21:42.47 | XTF | I just installed Sarge, but should sources.list list security testing? |
| 21:42.47 | starmax | PeTeRB, sry |
| 21:42.58 | resiak | csch: apt-get source php4, recompile it? |
| 21:43.02 | greycat | XTF: change testing to stable or sarge, but be patient with the mirrors... |
| 21:43.15 | XTF | greycat: Where should I report this bug? |
| 21:43.16 | j_k | mdke: if you wish to continue running sarge, put 'sarge' there |
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| 21:43.20 | crylyx | greycat: ofcourse |
| 21:43.26 | mdke | j_k, great thanks |
| 21:43.27 | resiak | XTF, mdke: If you want to keep running Sarge, put sarge there. If you want to keep running testing, put testing there. |
| 21:43.27 | jim | csch: first off, look at man apt at the FILES section and any "see also"s |
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| 21:43.32 | swim | hi |
| 21:43.36 | gahan | csch: i think you need php4-sybase |
| 21:43.41 | shingouz | ne: i am getting a feeling that what you are asking is something that only vmware needs and has is fully configurable on some config or other in vmware |
| 21:43.42 | csch | ok, thanks jim |
| 21:43.43 | jim | also same with man apt-get and man aptitude |
| 21:43.54 | greycat | XTF: probably in #debian-boot |
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| 21:43.56 | csch | gahan: no, I need mssql |
| 21:43.56 | Vaded | Does anyone know of a bittorrent link for sarge? |
| 21:44.01 | kotzbrocken | csch: php4-odbc and www.freetds.org |
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| 21:44.04 | jim | see? we'll help you as much as we can to help yourself |
| 21:44.05 | greycat | Vaded: it's not on the d-i page? |
| 21:44.08 | greycat | !d-i Vaded |
| 21:44.09 | dpkg | Vaded, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:44.11 | Empty | Vaded they are posted on the debian.org site |
| 21:44.12 | gahan | csch: apt-cache show php4-sybase |
| 21:44.13 | csch | this will fuck may config: apt-get source php4, recompile it? |
| 21:44.17 | swim | hey out of curiosity, has anyone tried archlinux yet? |
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| 21:44.33 | ne | is deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free obsolete ? |
| 21:44.38 | shingouz | swim: possibly the wrong channel |
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| 21:44.46 | Vaded | greycat: thank you, I missed that. |
| 21:44.46 | mdke | j_k, just to confirm, is this right? http://pastebin.ca/13607 |
| 21:44.56 | uruboro | swim: possibly the wrong day :) |
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| 21:45.01 | swim | shingouz, nope, im curious to know if any debian users have tried arch... |
| 21:45.01 | green_earz | mdke: and for a bit of bedtime reading > Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 21:45.06 | jim | swim: only heard the name once or twice |
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| 21:45.14 | shingouz | swim: wtf does that have to do with debian |
| 21:45.18 | mdke | green_earz, ok |
| 21:45.20 | muf | that has to be the longest topic ever |
| 21:45.25 | XTF | Shouldn't I enter stable instead of sarge (for the long term)? |
| 21:45.27 | jim | swim: probably not an appropriate -poll- for here |
| 21:45.36 | greycat | muf: there's a byte limit unfortunately. |
| 21:45.37 | dondelelcaro | XTF: no. |
| 21:45.39 | parag0n | now sarge has gone stable, what will the new testing dist be called? |
| 21:45.40 | swim | wow, really... |
| 21:45.41 | swim | huh |
| 21:45.43 | greycat | muf: or it would probably end up being even longer... |
| 21:45.43 | resiak | !sarge+1 |
| 21:45.44 | dpkg | sarge+1 is probably etch, okay? |
| 21:45.45 | XTF | etch |
| 21:45.50 | dondelelcaro | XTF: you generally want to be in control of your upgrades, and not have them happen randomly. |
| 21:45.50 | sigma957 | paragon: etch |
| 21:45.50 | shingouz | !tell swim about polls |
| 21:45.56 | XTF | dondelecaro: Why not? |
| 21:45.58 | uruboro | XTF i'd not risk an update to woody ;) |
| 21:46.05 | parag0n | awesome |
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| 21:46.17 | mdke | so would this be a correct sources.list for sarge? http://pastebin.ca/13607 |
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| 21:46.21 | swim | wow I think I will never join this channel again |
| 21:46.21 | gahan | !sarge+2 |
| 21:46.22 | jim | swim: yes, it tends to boil down to an ad |
| 21:46.23 | XTF | But the other lines are installed with stable. |
| 21:46.23 | dondelelcaro | XTF: because suddenly upgrading from woody->sarge or from sarge-> etch is a bad idea? |
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| 21:46.25 | gahan | :( |
| 21:46.27 | greycat | mdke: just run apt-setup or /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 21:46.30 | gahan | !sarge-1 |
| 21:46.34 | gahan | :( |
| 21:46.35 | uruboro | sarge+1 is marshal (scope of the italian army of course) |
| 21:46.38 | j_k | mdke: yes. |
| 21:46.42 | csch | if I use: apt-get source php4 |
| 21:46.44 | mdke | j_k, great thanks |
| 21:46.49 | csch | will enable mssql support ? |
| 21:46.54 | jasoncohen | mdke, get rid of the non-us line |
| 21:46.56 | gahan | csch: why dont you install php4-sybase? |
| 21:46.56 | jim | gahan, sarge - 1 is woody |
| 21:47.01 | gahan | jim: i know :) |
| 21:47.03 | csch | or just will get the php source |
| 21:47.04 | mdke | jasoncohen, what does it do? |
| 21:47.06 | jasoncohen | mdke, non-us no longer exists. |
| 21:47.15 | mdke | jasoncohen, oh |
| 21:47.21 | mdke | jasoncohen, what did it do? |
| 21:47.26 | gahan | csch: php4-sybase: This package provides a module for Sybase and Microsoft SQL Server database connections directly from PHP scripts. |
| 21:47.27 | csch | gahan: maybe because sybase != mssql ? |
| 21:47.29 | jim | csch: php can't do odbc? |
| 21:47.32 | greycat | dpkg, sarge+2 is <reply> ** ERROR ** Overflow ** BZZZZT!!! ** ~~explode~~ |
| 21:47.32 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 21:47.34 | jasoncohen | it had some packages that are now in non-free and contrib i believe |
| 21:47.34 | WhiteRabbit | Ah sarge was released stable today nice |
| 21:47.42 | csch | hhum... |
| 21:47.43 | resiak | csch: It will get the source. |
| 21:47.44 | shingouz | greycat: :) |
| 21:47.45 | mdke | jasoncohen, i c thanks |
| 21:47.46 | resiak | !tell csch -about enter |
| 21:48.02 | mdke | ok j_k, jasoncohen, thanks for your help |
| 21:48.04 | jim | WhiteRabbit: for true? |
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| 21:48.09 | xtension | how do i translate english words to dutch ? |
| 21:48.14 | sigma957 | ah, so we don't need non-us in our sources.lst anymore? |
| 21:48.14 | WhiteRabbit | jim, yes |
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| 21:48.29 | jim | xtension: translation dictionary, barnes n noble? |
| 21:48.30 | shingouz | xtension: manually? :p |
| 21:48.44 | [Granger] | sigma957: if you're not in the us |
| 21:48.45 | jim | WhiteRabbit: notice sent to -announce? |
| 21:48.45 | xtension | shingouz nooo |
| 21:48.54 | [Granger] | you most likely don't need non-us in the source |
| 21:49.06 | WhiteRabbit | jim, http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Debian_GNULinux_3.1r0_released_s48714.html |
| 21:49.29 | shingouz | seriously speaking xtensions question is something i woudl like to have an answer for too. is there some app that can be used as a translator (besides the fish) |
| 21:49.29 | resiak | !tell csch -about nickprefix |
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| 21:49.35 | xtension | shingouz surely theres an online dictionary ? |
| 21:49.40 | streuner | greycat: :-) |
| 21:49.55 | Linuxlookup | Good day. |
| 21:49.56 | shingouz | xtension: the fish is one but i am not sure if it has dutch |
| 21:50.03 | androgyn | no bittotrrent? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/ |
| 21:50.09 | greycat | !d-i androgyn |
| 21:50.10 | dpkg | androgyn, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:50.11 | [Granger] | greycat: or am I wrong? |
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| 21:50.20 | resiak | androgyn: Or be patient for a few hours. |
| 21:50.25 | csch | resiak: thanks for the tips. |
| 21:50.26 | greycat | [Granger]: I think non-US is dead. Or at least very very ill. |
| 21:50.27 | jim | WhiteRabbit: that's not the text of the announce... check archives of debian-announce@lists.debian.org |
| 21:50.27 | csch | ;) |
| 21:50.32 | androgyn | ;) sure |
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| 21:50.41 | greycat | [Granger]: and it's been senile for years. |
| 21:50.41 | [Granger] | greycat_ hmm... |
| 21:50.45 | resiak | csch: No problem. |
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| 21:50.57 | WhiteRabbit | jim, same thing for me |
| 21:50.58 | SDFH_Linux | has debian sarge been released yet? |
| 21:51.02 | resiak | !topicsmite SDFH_Linux |
| 21:51.02 | uruboro | http://babelfish.altavista.com/ has dutch |
| 21:51.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon SDFH_Linux. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:51.04 | [Granger] | hah |
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| 21:51.08 | [Granger] | this is gonna be a fun night |
| 21:51.10 | jim | WhiteRabbit: btw, it's a good guess... it's possible that it's going to be released as such... but until that announce comes, it's not released as stable |
| 21:51.12 | WhiteRabbit | SDFH_Linux, yep |
| 21:51.24 | Linuxlookup | SDFH_Linux Topic? |
| 21:51.28 | Mattz | Wow. Linux is just as scary as I've been told |
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| 21:51.36 | greycat | Mattz: BOO! |
| 21:51.38 | xtension | uruboro thanks |
| 21:51.39 | crylyx | seems like you guys dont know why nls is fucked in debian |
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| 21:51.41 | shingouz | Mattz: and you havent seen anything yet :) |
| 21:51.43 | WhiteRabbit | jim, Im downaloading DVD 2 now of the Sarge 2 DVD ed |
| 21:51.45 | jim | WhiteRabbit: point being this is not the place to say it's announced unless you see that message specifically |
| 21:51.47 | ZeiP | I'm getting "GRUB loading, please wait...\nError 18" after installing Debian to my computer. What does it mean, and propably also how to repair it? |
| 21:51.48 | resiak | crylyx: Does the BTS know? |
| 21:51.56 | greycat | crylyx: you seem to be the only one having this issue. File a bug report against locales. |
| 21:52.06 | WhiteRabbit | jim, Im very good at knowing these things ;)~ trust me |
| 21:52.06 | jim | WhiteRabbit: like I say, it's a good guess that it will be what you're downloading |
| 21:52.10 | uruboro | mattz linux is not scary. it is complex. windows it's scary. Ex mac user speaking ;) |
| 21:52.13 | [Granger] | greycat: it happens with scsi drives |
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| 21:52.17 | Mattz | I'll get round to learning about Linux in the summer |
| 21:52.18 | [Granger] | weird error |
| 21:52.29 | chealer | !tell ZeiP about grub errors |
| 21:52.35 | Mattz | I just came here cause I'm grabing the new knoppix for emergencies |
| 21:52.35 | shingouz | Mattz: just install debian now and dump doze ;) |
| 21:52.39 | dondelelcaro | crylyx: repeat again, please, the exact error message. |
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| 21:52.49 | ssb | http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2005/msg00003.html |
| 21:52.52 | ssb | (: |
| 21:52.52 | Mattz | and heard that it was a debian based distro |
| 21:52.56 | Dict_02x | hi, Can I listen to streaming radio in xmms ? |
| 21:53.00 | jim | WhiteRabbit: I only trust the announcement, and you should not try to make such announcements here UNLESS you see that specific announcement from that specific place. NOTHING else will do, -officially- speaking |
| 21:53.03 | shingouz | Mattz: based but not debian |
| 21:53.06 | greycat | Dict_02x: yes. |
| 21:53.11 | Mattz | yeah i know |
| 21:53.14 | simon__ | have there been any issues with upgrading to sarge from woody in regards to apache breaking or not cleanly restarting? |
| 21:53.22 | shingouz | some do not understand it... |
| 21:53.24 | Morydd | in theory, stable and testing are nearly identical at the moment, does that mean testing will see major updates soon? |
| 21:53.24 | chealer | ah!!! sarge is released!!released |
| 21:53.26 | mrwill | simon__: worked fine for me, on friday. |
| 21:53.31 | WhiteRabbit | jim, I would bet the farm this is so as I know it to be so |
| 21:53.34 | dan2 | topic |
| 21:53.49 | dondelelcaro | Morydd: yes. |
| 21:53.49 | Mattz | It's pretty much the parallel universe theorey. In the beginning here was one universe called debian |
| 21:53.50 | jim | WhiteRabbit: having said all that, you're probably right but keep it to yourself until you see the announcement from -announce |
| 21:53.54 | WhiteRabbit | jim, because its on http://www.debian.org as well ;)~ |
| 21:54.00 | mrwill | simon__: really, apache is a pretty minor version bump from woody to sarge, unless you want to move to apache2 |
| 21:54.01 | crylyx | dondelelcaro: its not an error message. the problem is: when you install sarge with a different system language (in my case serbian). you are not able to switch back to english later. still a lot of apps show the old language, even apt messages appear not in english. |
| 21:54.04 | greycat | Morydd: I'd expect a flood of them within a few days |
| 21:54.08 | Mattz | but then at some points people decieded to do different things with debian and so other universes were born |
| 21:54.09 | WhiteRabbit | jim, its on the front gd page of debian rofl |
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| 21:54.12 | shingouz | Mattz: but along came knoppix and screwed up a good thing |
| 21:54.19 | jello | http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2005/msg00003.html |
| 21:54.21 | simon__ | mrwill: what apache package did you have installed before the upgrade? apt it telling me it wants to remove apache-perl on the ugprade |
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| 21:54.24 | dondelelcaro | crylyx: and have you set LANG="en_US" and built the appropriate en_US locale? |
| 21:54.24 | Mattz | KNoppix does what I need it to do, nuff said |
| 21:54.24 | greycat | Mattz: and that other universe is off topic here. |
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| 21:54.29 | Mattz | ¬_¬ |
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| 21:54.32 | greycat | Mattz: /j #knoppix |
| 21:54.37 | jim | ok, there it is :) |
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| 21:54.41 | crylyx | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 21:54.43 | avida | is sarge out yet ? |
| 21:54.44 | mrwill | simon__: yes, that is correct, it will remove that package, then upgrade. |
| 21:54.48 | ZeiP | Erm. Okay, so it seems the cylinder that Grub is trying to read is beyond my (ancient) computer's capabilities. Is this repaired by using a seperate boot partition? |
| 21:54.48 | shingouz | dont lart the poor thing too hard yet |
| 21:54.48 | greycat | !topicsmite avida |
| 21:54.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon avida. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:54.49 | jim | that I can believe :) |
| 21:54.53 | uruboro | Mattz i'd see it more as a heretics vs. orthodox fashion :) |
| 21:55.00 | jello | avida: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2005/msg00003.html |
| 21:55.02 | Mattz | actually i came here to find out about the better, actual proper OS it was made from |
| 21:55.02 | WhiteRabbit | jim, * cough * nudge nudge! |
| 21:55.04 | deadcat | greycat: make dpkg to tell knoppix use to go join #knoppix, just like the root has landed thing (= |
| 21:55.07 | mrwill | simon__: you'll want to make a list of packages it removes, so you can install them again, later. |
| 21:55.08 | dondelelcaro | crylyx: and what is the output of LANG="en_US" perl -e '1'; |
| 21:55.11 | xsdg | jim: hey; ltns |
| 21:55.14 | gvandora | Hey foks.... bootlogd throws an error saying bad file descriptor... anything I can do? |
| 21:55.16 | Jacobo221 | "Official announcement (MESSAGE TO -announce) has NOT been made yet." -> http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 21:55.19 | shingouz | Mattz: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:55.21 | Mattz | I didn't realise Linux dudes stil burnt people at the stake |
| 21:55.21 | mrwill | simon__: though I think apache gets reinstalled at some point in the process. |
| 21:55.26 | jello | Jacobo221: yes it has! |
| 21:55.28 | chealer | gvandora: check the bug report for clues |
| 21:55.30 | jello | Jacobo221: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2005/msg00003.html |
| 21:55.30 | greycat | deadcat: we've done better. *!~knoppix is +q'ed. |
| 21:55.36 | shingouz | Mattz: not really, just ubuntu users :) |
| 21:55.37 | deadcat | hahaha |
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| 21:55.44 | deadcat | fucker (= |
| 21:55.47 | kerneld | topic needs to be revises, I got my -announce email |
| 21:55.52 | Jacobo221 | jello: :):):) |
| 21:56.04 | simon__ | mrwill: i'm just looking to not have to find out that my web server is down and not restarting ;P |
| 21:56.05 | shingouz | greycat: really? cool |
| 21:56.08 | parag0n | ubuntu is ok. i'm stuck on windows here :/ |
| 21:56.09 | crylyx | dondelelcaro: nothing |
| 21:56.23 | kerneld | and __I__ amd the banchmark dammit :P |
| 21:56.30 | chealer | it's the end of the world! /topic is lagging 15 minutes!! |
| 21:56.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:56.35 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet |
| 21:56.36 | mrwill | simon__: trust me, the apache in sarge works.... but you do have to remove the old package before you can install the new one. |
| 21:56.38 | Mattz | I haven't done a lot of background reading so this is probably a stupid question: How's debian doing on 64bit architecture support? |
| 21:56.40 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:56.45 | chealer | YAY!!!! |
| 21:56.47 | simon__ | mrwill: thanks |
| 21:57.05 | uruboro | "and so the knoppix and ubuntu people lost the faith in WIR release, and all kinds of bugs and incompatibilities come out of the users to haunt them, and in the final day sarge went out and there was much rejoicing" |
| 21:57.05 | chealer | let's find the trolls and bring them back now |
| 21:57.11 | androgyn | what source should i use best to mirror? |
| 21:57.11 | csch | I apt-get install php4-sybase |
| 21:57.19 | gpm | hey, anyone getting 404s? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/ |
| 21:57.27 | greycat | androgyn: whichever works. |
| 21:57.32 | Kjetil | gpm: yes |
| 21:57.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:57.34 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | INSTALLING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet |
| 21:57.35 | csch | but php continue without mssql support |
| 21:57.40 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:57.41 | uruboro | Finally :) |
| 21:57.49 | simonrvn | pCB@murphy T="Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 released" from <bounce-debian-announce=simon=nuit.ca@lists.debian.org> f |
| 21:57.53 | uruboro | Ok my compliments to the debian team :) |
| 21:57.59 | [Granger] | gpm: half the world is attempting to download Sarge right now |
| 21:58.01 | uruboro | i go to sleep() |
| 21:58.10 | [Granger] | of course you're gonna get slow download rates |
| 21:58.12 | Karnaugh | why didnt they call sarge 4.0? |
| 21:58.13 | [Granger] | and/or 404s |
| 21:58.15 | xtension | csch php4-mysql |
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| 21:58.19 | symoon | \o/ |
| 21:58.20 | xsdg | greycat: ... |
| 21:58.21 | mrwill | [Granger]: that's why I upgraded two days ago. |
| 21:58.24 | xsdg | greycat: "oops" |
| 21:58.25 | jim | [Granger]: I updated hours ago in the hopes things wouldn't change much :) |
| 21:58.27 | simonrvn | w00t partay tiime! |
| 21:58.31 | Dict_02x | greycat, what do I need to install to listen online musik ?? |
| 21:58.33 | Karnaugh | i mean, its quite a big step from woody, 3.0 |
| 21:58.36 | chealer | simonrvn: your home? :) |
| 21:58.37 | symoon | congratulations to all debian contributors !!! |
| 21:58.37 | csch | xtension: no, php4-sybase |
| 21:58.40 | [Granger] | mrwill, jim, so did I |
| 21:58.49 | [Granger] | all I need is to edit my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:58.49 | xsdg | [Granger]: heavy load doesn't cause 404s afaik |
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| 21:58.52 | mrwill | [Granger]: well, good decision then :) |
| 21:58.54 | simonrvn | chealer: ATM yes. heading out though |
| 21:58.55 | greycat | Dict_02x: download the .m3u file, cat it, and paste that resulting http:// URL on an xmms command. |
| 21:58.56 | otje | why is kernel 2.4 already at 2.4.31 but only 2.4.26 is in unstable? |
| 21:58.57 | csch | xtension: someone here said that this package has mssql module |
| 21:59.02 | Mattz | anyway, I'll be back when XP finally pushes me over the edge and I realise I can't afford a Mac |
| 21:59.03 | jim | [Granger]: did that too :) |
| 21:59.14 | srj | Sarge released! Read about it here: http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-sarge |
| 21:59.14 | xtension | csch ah ok |
| 21:59.16 | greycat | griffon:~$ cat wruw128k.m3u |
| 21:59.16 | greycat | http://129.22.71.14/cgi-bin/swsend/tmp/wruw128k.mp3 |
| 21:59.18 | chealer | otje: you mean 2.4.27? |
| 21:59.25 | xtension | csch then apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 21:59.25 | shingouz | Mattz: be back sooner, you'll have fewer headaches |
| 21:59.32 | jim | but I did that years ago, because I knew I wanted to stay with sarge as it became stable |
| 21:59.33 | Mattz | :) |
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| 21:59.41 | shingouz | Mattz: i am serious |
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| 21:59.49 | csch | xtension: I have this |
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| 21:59.53 | otje | chealer: hmm yes :) |
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| 21:59.57 | Mattz | How well does debian handle gaming? |
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| 22:00.03 | sh4dowcat | gaming? |
| 22:00.06 | sh4dowcat | in linux? |
| 22:00.10 | mrwill | Mattz: poorly, just like all the other linux distros. |
| 22:00.10 | xtension | csch then enable the module in your apache config |
| 22:00.11 | greycat | not as well as windows. |
| 22:00.17 | resiak | greycat: Nice work. |
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| 22:00.39 | Mattz | I dunno. I've never used linux before |
| 22:00.42 | lilo | tor is blocked for now |
| 22:00.43 | greycat | sh4dowcat: he's on the "suspected troll" list already. |
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| 22:00.50 | Mattz | oh thanks |
| 22:00.54 | sh4dowcat | greycat: heh |
| 22:00.57 | csch | xtension: where the php modules reside ? |
| 22:00.58 | lilo | greycat: I killed the guy |
| 22:01.03 | lilo | greycat: so you should be able to unblock tor |
| 22:01.07 | greycat | lilo: belt and suspenders... |
| 22:01.14 | lilo | greycat: hmmmm? |
| 22:01.15 | deadcat | Mattz: if you say games like those hardcore 3d, then its not good. you have to know what you are doing. if its crappy tetris. sure no problem |
| 22:01.19 | iostream | How long ago since sarge was released? |
| 22:01.22 | kerneld | Wasn't there a #debian-party or something for woody's release? |
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| 22:01.27 | greycat | iostream: at least 10 minutes!!!!11! |
| 22:01.31 | xtension | csch where the modules reside in general yes |
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| 22:01.36 | Mattz | fair enough |
| 22:01.38 | iostream | greycat: Wooooohaaaaa!!!!! :D |
| 22:01.38 | Mattz | laters |
| 22:01.39 | sh4dowcat | deadcat: I think half the people in here have coded their own version of tetris |
| 22:01.40 | kerneld | or was that 10th anniversary or something |
| 22:01.43 | Jacobo221 | is http://security.debian.org testing/updates/non-free deprecated or what? |
| 22:01.43 | lilo | greycat: new tor connects are turned off, the only tor people online should be fine |
| 22:01.47 | jim | Mattz: pretty good.... mainly and historically, linux/unix has been best at supporting people who want to write software |
| 22:01.53 | sh4dowcat | I mean most cs majors code tetris at some point |
| 22:01.55 | deadcat | sh4dowcat: hahah. i aint that half |
| 22:02.00 | lilo | greycat: if there are any more trolls on tor, we'll kill them well before we unblock 8) |
| 22:02.13 | sh4dowcat | deadcat: I have two engines |
| 22:02.23 | jim | what's a tor? |
| 22:02.32 | greycat | jim: an anonymizing network |
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| 22:02.47 | lilo | jim: tor is an anonymizing network sponsored by the Electronic Frontier Foundation |
| 22:02.47 | rob_lt | Looks like the sarge news has hit slashdot |
| 22:02.48 | deadcat | hahaha. nice.. i plaid the vim patch and the bsd-tetris only |
| 22:02.53 | lilo | jim: we work with it, it's not bad |
| 22:02.55 | xtension | csch then restart apache : apachectrl restart |
| 22:02.57 | csch | xtension: the php module is already enabled in apache |
| 22:02.59 | greycat | rob_lt: AIEEE! |
| 22:02.59 | lilo | jim: sometimes we have to turn off new connections 8) |
| 22:03.01 | jim | ahh |
| 22:03.03 | csch | I did this |
| 22:03.08 | csch | xtension: I did |
| 22:03.26 | xtension | csch then it s supposed to work , whats the error ? |
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| 22:03.44 | csch | xtension: no error |
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| 22:03.49 | xtension | Solet-deb clooose |
| 22:03.52 | _StefaN^ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-dvd/ <- is this working correctly? on the page it says 4.4GB and 4.1GB but when I start to download the filesize is 380MB? |
| 22:03.54 | jim | csch: btw... if you're interested in web technology, you might look into openacs when you're not too busy |
| 22:03.56 | nano_ | I can't find sarge, is the one that's modified by 30-may-2005? |
| 22:04.01 | xtension | Solet-deb on the edge there :) |
| 22:04.04 | greycat | nano_: sarge == debian 3.1 |
| 22:04.13 | gvandora | Do we have a new name for the /quit |
| 22:04.26 | csch | xtension: i think that the file was not updated |
| 22:04.26 | tarzeau | so cool |
| 22:04.28 | csch | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3123152 May 9 04:55 libphp4.so |
| 22:04.29 | Solet-deb | xtension: nah.... i've been counting down for weeks now :P |
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| 22:04.36 | tarzeau | TOPIC LOLZ |
| 22:04.37 | jim | nano_: what do you want to do? |
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| 22:04.47 | csch | jim: where can i find more about this |
| 22:04.58 | nano_ | download the debian 3.1 |
| 22:05.00 | bztunk | Hey guys, was sarge released? LOLOLOLOL |
| 22:05.02 | greycat | nano_: /topic |
| 22:05.04 | surreal | i get a can't find growisofs error in k3b but i have it in /usr/bin/growisofs.... i tried k3bsetup to no avail |
| 22:05.08 | surreal | what can i do? |
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| 22:05.10 | shingouz | bztunk: no |
| 22:05.13 | tarzeau | bztunk: DIE! /msg dpkg topicbudger bztunk |
| 22:05.15 | bztunk | shingouz: sucks :( |
| 22:05.17 | greycat | !release |
| 22:05.17 | dpkg | When is release ... the official answer: "Debian has a strict policy of never announcing release dates; therefore, the release date for ``sarge'' is not yet known.", or Stable release is "woody" (3.0), Testing release is "sarge", following that will be "etch" |
| 22:05.22 | gvandora | What's the name forthe new testing release gonna be? |
| 22:05.29 | tarzeau | greycat: you knew it's end up like this today |
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| 22:05.38 | tarzeau | when is etch going to be released? |
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| 22:05.46 | resiak | greycat: Could you set an on-join /notice? |
| 22:05.54 | otje | why is kernel 2.4 already at 2.4.31 but only 2.4.27 is in unstable? |
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| 22:05.55 | xtension | surreal look for the cause of the error |
| 22:05.56 | bztunk | tarzeau: 10 may 2054 |
| 22:05.56 | JoshH | tarzeau: when its ready. :P |
| 22:05.57 | greycat | dpkg, no, release is <reply> Sarge has been released (2005-06-06). Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <woody->sarge>. |
| 22:05.57 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 22:05.58 | jim | csch: well see if you're interested first :) one site that was built with similar but older technology is photo.net and wgbh.org and if you're interested, take a look at openacs.org |
| 22:05.59 | tnorth | quick apt question: after an apt-get update, what is the quickest way to list the out of date packages (other than an apt-get upgrade, then hit N)? |
| 22:05.59 | Solet-deb | so who has the fun job uf upgrading the bot? |
| 22:06.05 | tarzeau | JoshH, bztunk heh ;) |
| 22:06.13 | xsdg | Rydekull: congratulations, btw |
| 22:06.17 | clump | oh, just let people celebrate a little ;) Its like christmas for us ;) |
| 22:06.18 | greycat | resiak: I'm not even sure how... but I'm *positive* that 99.9% of the users who join never read it. |
| 22:06.28 | greycat | Solet-deb: you. |
| 22:06.28 | jim | ok, so that's two sites... here's two more: greenpeace.org and scorecard.org |
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| 22:06.39 | theorbtwo | clump: A christmas three years in comming. |
| 22:06.48 | greycat | theorbtwo: a leap christmas. |
| 22:06.49 | theorbtwo | Hopefully now unstable can get fun new toys! |
| 22:06.50 | dondelelcaro | otje: because hitting a moving target for a release isn't possible. |
| 22:07.01 | clump | theorbtwo in that case its more exciting as xmas comes once a year ;) |
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| 22:07.03 | greycat | theorbtwo: expect it :) |
| 22:07.04 | jim | yet another example of christmas in july :P |
| 22:07.09 | iostream | Where can i find a list of dropped packages (due to RC bugs) in sarge? |
| 22:07.09 | K_Dallas | Are there really 14CDs in Debian 3.1 ? |
| 22:07.13 | rob_lt | So, will there be a d-i for etch now? |
| 22:07.14 | sdb__ | clump: 2.6 seems worse than 2.4 for older sparc hardware, but that's just my impression |
| 22:07.15 | greycat | K_Dallas: you don't need them all. |
| 22:07.19 | theorbtwo | cough, june, cough. |
| 22:07.20 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: no, that's just an advertising gimmick. |
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| 22:07.26 | Solet-deb | greycat: i'll pass... i dont have a thousandth of your debian knowledge.... |
| 22:07.26 | popeye | GNAA Congratulates the Debian Project on the Release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 "Sarge" BATON ROUGE, LA - June 6, 2005 - The Gay Nigger Association of America extended today its congratulations to the Debian Project regarding its 8th consecutive release of the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. The latest incarnation of Debian, codenamed "Sarge", had been eagerly anticipated for approximately 6,000 years by both unwashed GNU/Hippies and fizzlebea |
| 22:07.27 | otje | dondelelcaro: okay, I thought unstable wasn't "released" but just continuously added to it... I'll go back to my docs :) |
| 22:07.28 | popeye | rded Open Source aficionados alike. So far the reception of "Sarge" has ranged from indifferent to uninterested, but the release has managed to draw the attention of many fundamentalist Christians, who have long seen the release of a new version of Debian as one of the major signs of the apocalypse."Sarge" is notable for greatly expanding upon the Debian policy of creating distributions that are obsolete before they are even released - a pra |
| 22:07.28 | popeye | ctice which, while not particularly desirable, has been enthusiastically received by nostalgic collectors of outdated open source software, as well as the National Association for Marketing Buggy Linux Applications, or NAMBLA. Debian project leader Branden Robinson defended the policy, however, in an impromptu GNAA interview which was conducted at his home. When asked to comment on Debian's slow adoption of new software, he was quoted as say |
| 22:07.29 | sshack | wow. sarge actually released. awesome. |
| 22:07.29 | csch | jim: what's new in this tecnology ? |
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| 22:07.33 | shingouz | fuck |
| 22:07.34 | sshack | Now I owe my boss bear. |
| 22:07.35 | deadcat | K_Dallas: unless you are a collector |
| 22:07.37 | sshack | beer |
| 22:07.46 | rob_lt | popey: fuck off |
| 22:07.46 | greycat | sshack: get him a polar bear! |
| 22:07.47 | xtension | 14 cd 's ? thats fast expending |
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| 22:07.51 | greycat | rob_lt: kicked by the bot |
| 22:07.56 | clump | sdb__ hmm what issues have you had? |
| 22:07.56 | SlayerXP | evening |
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| 22:07.59 | xtension | s/e/a |
| 22:07.59 | greycat | oops, by dondelelcaro. |
| 22:08.00 | tarzeau | xtension: 15 source cd's |
| 22:08.07 | [jason] | hey |
| 22:08.08 | greycat | !dondelelcarosnack |
| 22:08.13 | dondelelcaro | greycat: gee thanks |
| 22:08.15 | xtension | tarzeau i remember they were 3 |
| 22:08.18 | surreal | xtension, what can i do to look for the cause? |
| 22:08.26 | sdb__ | clump: cg6 support seems to suck... I can't get X working with it anyway |
| 22:08.30 | theorbtwo | K_Dallas: If you want the whole blasted thing. Of course, that includes sets of mutually-conflicting packages, and packages for different arches. |
| 22:08.32 | xtension | surreal start k3b in console ? |
| 22:08.32 | jim | csch: it's not cgi, for one... it's much more direct, and the scriptign language is built into the web server so that it doesn't page into ram, fork and exec every web hit... |
| 22:08.35 | clump | sdb__ 8( |
| 22:08.51 | sdb__ | clump: I've noticed other complaints on debian-sparc, can't remember specific details... |
| 22:08.52 | jj2388 | What's about X.org? |
| 22:08.53 | jim | csch: also the connections to the database remain open and in a pool |
| 22:08.53 | [jason] | what's the version of gcc shipped with debian/MIPS/Sarge 3.1 |
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| 22:08.56 | K_Dallas | i have only netinstalled my previous sarge systems but tohught maybe i go for the full CD thru bittorent and i see 14 images :) that is a LOT |
| 22:09.01 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Since you're around, any chance you could change the poll factoid to point at "bad polls"? It's locked. People tend to !tell about poll rather than polls, which is a shame. |
| 22:09.05 | Solet-deb | yay... apt-get update; apt-get upgrade is taking forever... and i just did it 2 days ago.... releases are fun :P |
| 22:09.11 | K_Dallas | i know many of them are sources yet that is more than what i might have guessed |
| 22:09.12 | dos000 | anyone can help with dboottstrap error ? it stops complaining that a link is already created whithout further info. this is debian sarge and dbootrap is getting froma debian mirror the sarge release. |
| 22:09.12 | jim | jj2388: sometime later you will see official x.org packages |
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| 22:09.19 | shingouz | K_Dallas: do something different, get the DVD's :) |
| 22:09.21 | sdb__ | clump: but there's nothing forcing you to use 2.6 |
| 22:09.35 | shingouz | K_Dallas: 14 binaries afaik |
| 22:09.37 | K_Dallas | shingouz that is much more logical :) |
| 22:09.44 | K_Dallas | 14 binaries! wow! |
| 22:09.50 | clump | sdb__ thx for the info. seems like an upgrade doesn't want to upgrade my kerel. |
| 22:09.50 | shingouz | plus source |
| 22:09.56 | jim | K_Dallas: there is quite a lot to it :) |
| 22:10.03 | sdb__ | clump: but 2.4 will be dropped some time (possibly in etch?) |
| 22:10.07 | clump | so my SPARCs may run 2.2.20 for a while ;) |
| 22:10.11 | shingouz | K_Dallas: the word is shitload ;) |
| 22:10.14 | lewis | can someone advise me about whether running 'mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/md0' will badly affect my current RAID array? |
| 22:10.17 | K_Dallas | i agree ;) |
| 22:10.22 | Solet-deb | clump: upgrades wont upgrade kernel to new version... |
| 22:10.26 | csch | jim: good, but about the language... it's familiar with php or another one ? |
| 22:10.30 | greycat | clump: ironically, SPARC was one of the first arches to obsolete 2.0.x kernels. |
| 22:10.38 | dondelelcaro | dos000: use the paster bot to paste the complete output. |
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| 22:10.42 | dondelelcaro | resiak: done. |
| 22:10.44 | jim | csch: the language is tcl |
| 22:10.48 | xtension | globally most people use linux nowadays , considering china and asia |
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| 22:10.48 | clump | Solet-deb interesting. I am a 5 year vet and didn't know that. |
| 22:10.57 | WhiteRabbit | turbo linux |
| 22:10.59 | theorbtwo | Well, I don't know how long the release cycle for Etch will be... hopefully shorter then the one for Sarge. |
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| 22:11.04 | jim | it's not the greatest, but it's fast and stable |
| 22:11.06 | clump | greycat you're not still irc'ing from PA-RISC are you? ;) |
| 22:11.10 | greycat | clump: not today. |
| 22:11.10 | theorbtwo | I expect 2.4 to be supported for several years. |
| 22:11.13 | nano_ | sarge just released but the files i found were from May 30, is that the right one? |
| 22:11.23 | joeyh | nano_: it depends, what kind of file? |
| 22:11.29 | clump | greycat I remember in '02 you were on PA-RISC :) |
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| 22:11.32 | jim | nano_: well that's an older one |
| 22:11.35 | SlayerXP | sod sarge, I want to know when unstable will be officially released! |
| 22:11.35 | greycat | clump: still am when I'm at work. |
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| 22:11.43 | resiak | dondelelcaro: When I rule the world, you can have a continent of your choice. |
| 22:11.48 | nano_ | so can't download 3.1 yet? |
| 22:11.50 | greycat | clump: but unfortunately it's HP-UX not Debian. |
| 22:11.50 | jim | SlayerXP: not at all, ever |
| 22:12.00 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, is pastebin fine ? |
| 22:12.04 | clump | greycat ironically enough, I adminned HPUX from 2002 to 2003. |
| 22:12.06 | Solet-deb | clump: i just know that because apt-get upgrade didnt ever upgrade my install kernal... i had to do it myself... i have on one occasion seen it upgrade the kernal inthat there was evidently a bug fix or something.... but it maintained the same version number out to 3 sets... |
| 22:12.10 | clump | sdb__ whats that like? |
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| 22:12.13 | greycat | clump: you escaped? good job. |
| 22:12.25 | shingouz | SlayerXP: apt-listbugs |
| 22:12.26 | SlayerXP | there's going to be a flood of utter crap going in there |
| 22:12.28 | greycat | SlayerXP: just don't update. |
| 22:12.32 | sdb__ | clump: it's okay... recent kernels have a few stability problems, but it's generally quite good |
| 22:12.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell dos000 about paster |
| 22:12.38 | clump | Solet-deb looks like I need to do an "apt-cache search kernel" |
| 22:12.44 | Solet-deb | SlayerXP: no joke... poor bastards |
| 22:12.50 | clump | greycat well... escaped to AIX ;) |
| 22:12.54 | jim | SlayerXP: you mean in unstable? yer damn skippy it will :) |
| 22:12.57 | greycat | clump: oh. frying pan, fire. |
| 22:13.01 | Solet-deb | clump: shrug... i'm a n00b... i just try to help when i can... |
| 22:13.03 | sdb__ | clump: when things work, it's generally the same as on any other hardware :) |
| 22:13.09 | SlayerXP | greycat: I remember this last time this happened. As soon as the freeze was announced, I reinstalled my one important box with sarge |
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| 22:13.15 | clump | sdb__ very nice. I will say PPC32 support is nice for the kernel these days. |
| 22:13.17 | tnorth | no quick one liner to list out-of-date pkgs on the command line? |
| 22:13.26 | greycat | SlayerXP: your "one important box" should NOT be running unstable. |
| 22:13.29 | SlayerXP | jim: I got bitten in the arse last time |
| 22:13.31 | dondelelcaro | tnorth: no. Just use a --dry-run apt-get upgrade; or apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 22:13.32 | deadcat | was there a new simpsons/family guy/american dad this pass sunday? |
| 22:13.34 | clump | Solet-deb I do appreciate it. Thanks for the words. |
| 22:13.38 | SlayerXP | greycat: why's that? |
| 22:13.40 | jim | unstable is about to get VERY unstable for awhile, because it no longer has to remain in sync with sarge |
| 22:13.42 | sdb__ | clump: unfortunately support for certain things sucks... (usually things like JIT VMs) |
| 22:13.44 | lewis | bah - no one knows about mdadm and RAID? |
| 22:13.44 | tnorth | thx |
| 22:13.48 | greycat | SlayerXP: you have to *ask*? |
| 22:13.48 | jim | now it's supporting etch |
| 22:13.51 | clump | sdb__ thats true |
| 22:13.52 | jj2388 | Where I can find the DVD of Debian? |
| 22:13.58 | dondelelcaro | jj2388: /topic |
| 22:13.59 | jj2388 | They will contains X.org? |
| 22:14.00 | nano_ | so we can't download debian 3.1 cd image yet? |
| 22:14.01 | jim | jj2388: do a net install |
| 22:14.04 | deadcat | jim: no |
| 22:14.07 | jim | don't download images |
| 22:14.08 | dondelelcaro | nano_: yes, you can. |
| 22:14.10 | [jason] | guys, what's the gcc version with debian 3.1/MIPS? |
| 22:14.10 | Kjetil | *trows rocks at the bittorrent server* |
| 22:14.12 | SlayerXP | greycat: your troll detector is malfunctioning :) |
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| 22:14.15 | sdb__ | clump: it's a shame about PPC |
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| 22:14.21 | sdb__ | clump: (the recent announcement) |
| 22:14.21 | clump | greycat after using a lot of UNIX flavors, I can honestly say the only thing stopping Linux is its tendency to run on x86 hardware. |
| 22:14.24 | deadcat | [jason]: same as all other arch |
| 22:14.25 | tico | hello can i burn a iso image in a CD-RW or has to be CD-R? |
| 22:14.30 | [jason] | deadcat: thanks a lot |
| 22:14.34 | dondelelcaro | tnorth: yes. |
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| 22:14.41 | clump | sdb__ im sorry, which announcement -- the intel announcement? |
| 22:14.45 | paster | "dos000" at 66.11.173.123 pasted "dbootstrap is stopping way in the middle." (27 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/184 |
| 22:14.52 | streuner | tico: of course you can burn it to CD-RW as well |
| 22:14.52 | steverimjobs | Sarge Released! Read the review here: http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-sarge |
| 22:14.54 | sdb__ | clump: yes |
| 22:14.55 | deadcat | is that mean no more ppc? |
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| 22:15.00 | tico | ok |
| 22:15.11 | [jason] | there's no dvd of debian 3.1 yet? |
| 22:15.13 | popey | heh |
| 22:15.14 | greycat | karsten: never. |
| 22:15.14 | nano_ | dondelelcaro: the cd image i found weren't released recently, it's from May 30 |
| 22:15.16 | popey | dont do it man! |
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| 22:15.21 | clump | sdb__ yes, thats a curious choice of apple's. its good to be multi-platform but why not talk to both amd/intel, if they hadn't already. |
| 22:15.22 | dondelelcaro | clump: you've got the code... feel free to fix the problems with other archs |
| 22:15.25 | jim | you do not need a dvd |
| 22:15.31 | Solet-deb | @lart karsten |
| 22:15.33 | jim | you just need a dsl |
| 22:15.36 | [jason] | I'd like it on a dvd, it's better for me |
| 22:15.36 | greycat | !released |
| 22:15.36 | dpkg | RELEASED?!? Our software is not *released*! It escapes from the lab, leaving a bloody trail of programmers and QA testers behind it! |
| 22:15.43 | streuner | !d-i tico |
| 22:15.44 | dpkg | tico, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:15.55 | karsten | greycat: So today is officially "Never Day"? |
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| 22:16.00 | WhiteRabbit | !look at me look at me |
| 22:16.01 | clump | dondelelcaro ah, in no way do I mean to disparage Linux at all. I am quite happy with Linux on all my arches. |
| 22:16.01 | greycat | karsten: /topic |
| 22:16.06 | sdb__ | clump: I can see that it might make sense for apple... but it seems like a retrograde step |
| 22:16.09 | xtension | http://insight.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020472,39181945,00.htm << hehe |
| 22:16.14 | NyteOwl | deadcat more than apple use ppc :) |
| 22:16.18 | rob_lt | Ok, so the d-i will install sarge, but will there soon be a new d-i to do a netinstall of etch? |
| 22:16.22 | NyteOwl | IBM for instance :) |
| 22:16.24 | greycat | rob_lt: no. |
| 22:16.30 | jim | karsten: it's the permasunday to end all permasundays, it's the permasunday of permasundays! |
| 22:16.36 | karsten | greycat: Yeah, I saw ;-) |
| 22:16.54 | karsten | jim: The Eternal Sunday? |
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| 22:16.58 | clump | sdb__ I agree insofar as there will be one less desktop arch most likely. Shame, as I just bought a Mini; which runs Linux ;) |
| 22:17.00 | karsten | jim: ...or The Eternal Sundae? |
| 22:17.01 | rob_lt | greycat: so now the only way to start off with etch is to install sarge and then dist-upgrade to etch? |
| 22:17.06 | dondelelcaro | dos000: are you trying to debootstrap on top of a pre-existing install? |
| 22:17.10 | karsten | jim: Dennis? |
| 22:17.13 | greycat | rob_lt: yes |
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| 22:17.19 | deadcat | NyteOwl: i dont get it. |
| 22:17.20 | rob_lt | greycat: ok, thanks... just wanted to be sure. |
| 22:17.26 | sdb__ | clump: I guess they switched because staying with PPC was too costly for them, but I would need some convincing that em64t is really better |
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| 22:17.44 | jim | a sundae would be nice a little later... with some root beer too :) |
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| 22:17.53 | Solet-deb | jim: you didnt expect a super-sunday right after a release... i predict #debian to be a circus for atleast a week |
| 22:17.54 | gpm | does the netinstall image still use the new debian installer? |
| 22:17.55 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, yes this a fresh install of the debian sarge using rc3 installer. i want to chroot into the created env. |
| 22:18.00 | clump | sdb__ at the moment em64 is pretty bad but I don't expect it will always be bad. that said, im going opteron next. |
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| 22:18.16 | Kerr | what is the name of the release after etch? |
| 22:18.17 | NyteOwl | deadcat: <deadcat> is that mean no more ppc? |
| 22:18.18 | clump | greycat ever tried dippin dots, the spherical ice cream? |
| 22:18.21 | streuner | greycat: hopefully not with strawberrys ;-) |
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| 22:18.23 | csch | I get to go |
| 22:18.24 | karsten | jim: Beer Sundae! |
| 22:18.27 | bernouli | how can i get a mac adress if i know the ip adress of the other box ? |
| 22:18.28 | csch | thanks for all help guys |
| 22:18.28 | NyteOwl | no reason for apple going to intel means no more ppc |
| 22:18.29 | csch | bye |
| 22:18.34 | jim | root beer... I don't like alc |
| 22:18.35 | greycat | clump: overpriced amusement park stuff? yes. |
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| 22:18.38 | karsten | gpm: Yes. |
| 22:18.41 | dondelelcaro | dos000: and when you run deboostrap sarge .; /optsys/asterisk-000/ is totally empty? |
| 22:18.43 | gpm | karsten: thanks |
| 22:18.51 | clump | greycat correct. Its completely a gimmick but I love the stuff. |
| 22:18.51 | [jason] | I need to understand something, Sarge (3.1) was released today, but the file here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-mips/current/images/r5k-ip22/ is as old as March 2005, what does that means? |
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| 22:19.00 | guestish | !!!! |
| 22:19.00 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 22:19.01 | guestish | hi |
| 22:19.02 | xtension | officials in taiwain want to migrate 20000 desktops to linux and they used national-security as one of the reasons ! |
| 22:19.03 | guestish | :) |
| 22:19.08 | muuh-gnu | hey peoples, how does it come that the release critical bug counter counts 30 rc bugs, but sarge got released? is this already the counter fpr the next release? were all rc bugs resolved prior to release, or did i miss something? |
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| 22:19.12 | deadcat | NyteOwl: i am so confused (=.. no more ppc hardware in the future? |
| 22:19.26 | clump | greycat its been years since we last talked but have you had any issues with certain downloads of your site? |
| 22:19.31 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, at the beginning yes. when i run even at a clean dir it stops at the same place |
| 22:19.41 | guestish | unbelievable... |
| 22:19.48 | karsten | xtension: sw33t. |
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| 22:20.02 | guestish | so now its etch? |
| 22:20.06 | NyteOwl | deadcat where did you hear that? |
| 22:20.15 | nano_ | the latest one i can found is this one debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso 30-May-2005 |
| 22:20.15 | eXoR` | muuh-gnu: there's still something called 'priority', I don't know the bugs, but perhaps they had a low(er) priority |
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| 22:20.17 | bernouli | is it possible to gain the mac adresse from ip adress? |
| 22:20.22 | deadcat | NyteOwl: slashdot or something. |
| 22:20.23 | karsten | guestish: Yep. |
| 22:20.30 | tarzeau | bernouli: of course |
| 22:20.34 | guestish | man, hell has frozen over... |
| 22:20.34 | NyteOwl | deadcat I guess they forgot to tell IBM then |
| 22:20.35 | dondelelcaro | dos000: and what version of debootstrap is this? |
| 22:20.39 | NyteOwl | and motorola |
| 22:20.41 | xtension | karsten yeah but their motivation ... think about it if a reason _not_ to use windowz is national-security |
| 22:20.54 | Solet-deb | ack... its a fuckin zoo in here (furrywolf will be happy) i'm gonna go take a nap and then fight with CUPS some more... god its crazy in here |
| 22:20.55 | bernouli | tarzeau, how? i want to get mac adress from other box, not from mine |
| 22:20.59 | guestish | o_O |
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| 22:21.01 | K_Dallas | wow! bittorents are fast :) |
| 22:21.07 | tarzeau | bernouli: ask the owner of that other box |
| 22:21.08 | sh4dowcat | Solet-deb: it's release night |
| 22:21.10 | sh4dowcat | get used to it |
| 22:21.14 | tarzeau | bernouli: i'm sure he'll be glad to tell you |
| 22:21.17 | [jason] | I need to understand something, Sarge (3.1) was released today, but the file here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-mips/current/images/r5k-ip22/ is as old as March 2005, what does that means? |
| 22:21.22 | Solet-deb | K_Dallas: well yeah they are fast you prolly have 10000 peers |
| 22:21.25 | tarzeau | bernouli: will you sell the collected mac addresses ? |
| 22:21.27 | sh4dowcat | [jason]: yes and? |
| 22:21.29 | sh4dowcat | your point is? |
| 22:21.30 | bernouli | tarzeau, he is far away from me |
| 22:21.37 | tarzeau | bernouli: he has no telephone? |
| 22:21.37 | bernouli | tarzeau, ahh i can run arp |
| 22:21.46 | Solet-deb | sh4dowcat: <sarcasm> no way! really? </sarcasm> |
| 22:21.48 | [jason] | sh4dowcat: does that means that sarge was released 1 month ago for mips? |
| 22:21.49 | sdb__ | clump: well, em64t seems to be a big step... |
| 22:21.50 | starmax | From wich CD of the distro the sources are? |
| 22:21.50 | K_Dallas | Solet-deb: that is good use of bittorent :) |
| 22:21.52 | muuh-gnu | eXoR`: i meant the following counter: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ I never saw it to drop actually to zero, but maybe youre right. |
| 22:21.52 | bernouli | why should i use telephone if arp can do this for me |
| 22:21.55 | bernouli | tarzeau, |
| 22:22.00 | sh4dowcat | [jason]: use your freaking head |
| 22:22.04 | dondelelcaro | [jason]: no, that just means that file hasn't changed in one month. |
| 22:22.07 | tarzeau | bernouli: you said you have no access to that computer |
| 22:22.14 | deadcat | sh4dowcat: (= you tell him hehe |
| 22:22.15 | dondelelcaro | [jason]: those are only the installer floppies. |
| 22:22.15 | clump | sdb__ agreed. just for competition's sake I wish they would keep PPC |
| 22:22.16 | bernouli | tarzeau, not physically |
| 22:22.16 | sdb__ | clump: I.e. we're not using an arch that's totally stupid anymore |
| 22:22.23 | sh4dowcat | just because it went official today doesn't mean all the files have to date from 2005-06-07 |
| 22:22.23 | tarzeau | bernouli: but via ssh? |
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| 22:22.25 | [jason] | dondelelcaro: oh okay. |
| 22:22.26 | guestish | so where is the final deb installer? |
| 22:22.30 | clump | sdb__ lol. agreed |
| 22:22.30 | sh4dowcat | idiots |
| 22:22.30 | [jason] | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:22.32 | Solet-deb | K_Dallas: the more people on the torrent there are the faster it goes... google "download swarming" and "torrential downloading" |
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| 22:22.34 | bernouli | tarzeau, not also, we are in lan |
| 22:22.40 | starmax | How many CD does the sources take of the debian distro and wich are they ? |
| 22:22.41 | xtension | karsten can you migrate m$ networks to linux ? |
| 22:22.56 | tarzeau | bernouli: ah, then that's a whole different thing |
| 22:22.57 | mwilson | starmax: Why would you need the sources? |
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| 22:22.59 | dondelelcaro | starmax: 15 or so. |
| 22:23.00 | jim | starmax: possibly as many as 15 or 18 |
| 22:23.00 | sh4dowcat | xtension: since you're asking |
| 22:23.04 | sh4dowcat | no |
| 22:23.15 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, the one that comes in sarge. my apt only points to sarge ... apt-cache show says Version: 0.2.45-0.2 |
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| 22:23.19 | sh4dowcat | it takes a lot to pull off a major Microsoft to Linux migration |
| 22:23.23 | starmax | mwilson, i do not for instance i mean i dont want to d/l all 14 cd sets ;) |
| 22:23.27 | guestish | starmax: you can get the sources off the repositories |
| 22:23.30 | bernouli | tarzeau, so in that case, what would you recommend me to do? |
| 22:23.33 | guestish | starmax: do a netinstall |
| 22:23.36 | dondelelcaro | dos000: what does dpkg -l debootstrap report? |
| 22:23.43 | K_Dallas | Solet-deb: i know and i said it because a while ago when a distro new version was released all ftp sites were jammed and there was no way to get what you wanted so bad for the first 48 hours ;) bittorent changes that considerably |
| 22:23.45 | sh4dowcat | starmax: so just look up the mirror that's closest to you |
| 22:23.45 | jim | !images |
| 22:23.46 | Dashiva | also, don't forget jigdo |
| 22:23.48 | Kjetil | bernouli: talking is impossible ? |
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| 22:23.52 | karsten | xtension: Define "migrate". |
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| 22:23.55 | sdb__ | clump: it's a shame... arm, mips, pa-risc and now ppc... |
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| 22:24.10 | bernouli | Kjetil, impossible |
| 22:24.13 | tarzeau | bernouli: use arp ;) |
| 22:24.16 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, debootstrap 0.2.45-0.2 Bootstrap a basic Debian system |
| 22:24.17 | karsten | xtension: You can migrate _services_ from one platform to another. Linux Is Not Windows and Windows Is Not Linux. They're not point-for-point equivalents. |
| 22:24.19 | starmax | but if i want the cd but not the sources.. |
| 22:24.19 | bsims | Stupid question, but where did the Non-US go for Sid? |
| 22:24.20 | bernouli | tarzeau, ;) |
| 22:24.24 | Solet-deb | karsten: a seasonal move to a better climate |
| 22:24.33 | tarzeau | bsims: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 22:24.35 | karsten | xtension: OTOH: there are many Windows-free networks. |
| 22:24.37 | Hydroxide | bsims: as the sarge release notes said, non-us is gone |
| 22:24.44 | bsims | Ah ok |
| 22:24.48 | sh4dowcat | karsten: but since he's asking |
| 22:24.48 | dondelelcaro | dos000: and what happens if you just debootstrap sarge .; in that directory, without specifying the kernel.org mirror? |
| 22:24.49 | billybar | oh really? |
| 22:24.53 | Solet-deb | Hydroxide: i believe its now in contrib |
| 22:24.54 | karsten | Solet-deb: So I suppose the preferred term would be "emigrate" rather than "migrate". |
| 22:24.55 | sh4dowcat | I would say he can't pull it off |
| 22:24.58 | Kjetil | so non-us can`t have fancy encryption any more ? |
| 22:25.00 | sdb__ | clump: glee? |
| 22:25.01 | xtension | karsten but now its gonna be desktops too |
| 22:25.02 | starmax | ?? |
| 22:25.02 | bsims | didn't think that sarge would effect sid |
| 22:25.04 | jim | !images is what you don't need if you have a nice fat supported internet connection... just install over the net... a pair of floppies (ok, maybe 4) will get you everything -assuming- your connection is supported by the installer |
| 22:25.04 | bsims | ok |
| 22:25.04 | dpkg | jim: okay |
| 22:25.04 | starmax | but if i want the cd but not the sources..?? |
| 22:25.07 | bsims | clear as mud |
| 22:25.12 | karsten | xtension: WRT NatSec: about damned time somebody noticed. |
| 22:25.13 | starmax | but if i want the cds but not the sources..?? |
| 22:25.14 | theorbtwo | Kjetil: There isn't much that the US bans from export anymore. |
| 22:25.21 | Solet-deb | karsten: lol too true... |
| 22:25.22 | starmax | I dont like netinstall |
| 22:25.25 | xtension | karsten eheh |
| 22:25.25 | jim | starmax: you can download as you go |
| 22:25.28 | starmax | it takes too much times |
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| 22:25.34 | starmax | jim, ? |
| 22:25.39 | karsten | xtension: Sure. Basically your issues are: mail, web, apps, coms, file/print. |
| 22:25.40 | clump | sdb__ well, its just that PA-RISC seemed tied to HPUX. Now Linux changes that but still you're stuck with HP. |
| 22:25.42 | jasoncohen | why isn't 2.6.8 the default kernel for sarge? |
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| 22:25.49 | sdb__ | clump: ahh, yeah. well, I'm no fan of HP-UX |
| 22:25.52 | sh4dowcat | starmax: look |
| 22:25.57 | sh4dowcat | you either download 14 cds |
| 22:25.58 | jim | starmax: bandwidth ALWAYS costs money for someone |
| 22:25.59 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, its going to take time .. i'll be right back ... i betting its going to do the same since my apt also point to kernel.org |
| 22:25.59 | sdb__ | clump: IMO, the hardware's much better than the software |
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| 22:26.02 | sh4dowcat | or you download the netinstaller image |
| 22:26.04 | sh4dowcat | pick one |
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| 22:26.05 | Hydroxide | fancy encryption doesn't need to be in non-us now - it is in main. Debian got legal advice and complies with the reasonably loose US export regulations |
| 22:26.14 | deadcat | sh4dowcat: or he can shut teh fuck up |
| 22:26.17 | jim | starmax: however |
| 22:26.18 | clump | sdb__ in fairness, HPUX was easy to learn but I found it buggy and patching was a nightmare |
| 22:26.20 | sh4dowcat | unless of course you're good enough to assemble your own debian cd |
| 22:26.21 | karsten | xtension: There are _equivalents_. In some cases there are direct replacements (eg: Samba). For a successful emigration, you'll need to stage the transition. There's lots of good whitepapers on that. |
| 22:26.21 | jim | you can use jigdo |
| 22:26.30 | sh4dowcat | in which case we wouldn't be having this conversation |
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| 22:26.31 | sdb__ | clump: what I'd really like, is some sort of whitebox risc |
| 22:26.31 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, brb .. thanks so far. |
| 22:26.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell Kjetil about crypto in main |
| 22:26.33 | starmax | ok |
| 22:26.39 | jasoncohen | starmax, don't listen to sh4dowcat. you don't need 14 cds! You can download the first 1 or 2 and get the rest of the packages you want off the net. |
| 22:26.42 | Kjetil | thanks |
| 22:26.44 | clump | sdb__ as per the hardware, you've got me. I've never run a rational OS on it. |
| 22:26.44 | xtension | karsten did that too |
| 22:26.45 | billybar | where's testing? |
| 22:26.45 | karsten | jim: are you jim dennis? |
| 22:26.47 | starmax | ah |
| 22:26.49 | jim | no |
| 22:26.52 | Hydroxide | jasoncohen: 2.4 is still more solid in some cases, at least for the architectures where it's the default. (some architectures default to 2.6) |
| 22:26.52 | karsten | xtension: ?? |
| 22:26.54 | karsten | jim: OK. |
| 22:26.58 | deadcat | jasoncohen: but he doesnt like downloading off the net (= |
| 22:27.00 | sh4dowcat | jasoncohen: he just said he didn't like netinstall |
| 22:27.00 | jim | who's that? |
| 22:27.01 | karsten | jim: ...he looks like you. |
| 22:27.03 | clump | sdb__ agreed. thats what keeps me mostly on x86/x64 |
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| 22:27.09 | sdb__ | clump: I've read bits of the instruction set documentation. it's quite sane |
| 22:27.17 | sdb__ | clump: but that applies to virtually all risc-like arches |
| 22:27.18 | jim | he does? :) how do you know what I look like? :) |
| 22:27.18 | sh4dowcat | best feature in the world |
| 22:27.19 | starmax | ill wait for the ftp non-us mirrot to be updated |
| 22:27.21 | Hydroxide | jasoncohen: if you want to install 2.6 directly on x86, you can type 'linux26' at the installer boot prompt, as I'm sure the install manual documents |
| 22:27.22 | clump | sdb__ whats your favorite arch? |
| 22:27.24 | karsten | jim: B.A. linux dude, Linux Gazette's answer gang (or subset thereof). |
| 22:27.25 | starmax | mirror |
| 22:27.32 | xtension | karsten integrating of linux samba server into a m$ network |
| 22:27.33 | jim | oh :) |
| 22:27.34 | Hydroxide | jasoncohen: I often do that myself |
| 22:27.39 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: Regarding KDE3.4 in /topic, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ . |
| 22:27.41 | jasoncohen | starmax, the CDs are sorted in order of popularity so CD1 and CD2 will have most of the packages you want. It'll be faster and easier to use the net install if it's just one machine but if you want to isntall on multiple machines you can just download the first 2 disks |
| 22:27.45 | sdb__ | clump: I've not looked into them into enough depth for my opinion to be worth much |
| 22:27.47 | starmax | yeah |
| 22:27.51 | jim | so my posts look like his posts |
| 22:27.51 | jasoncohen | Hydroxide, as do I. i was asking as a question of policy. |
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| 22:28.01 | karsten | xtension: w/ Samba 3, you can be a domain controller, and IIRC a PDC. |
| 22:28.02 | sdb__ | clump: but I like ARM, and ARM-thumb looks really neat |
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| 22:28.18 | Hydroxide | jasoncohen: yeah. my answer was that it is the "safer bet" of the two, even now. not necessarily spiffier or snazzier, but more reliable. |
| 22:28.18 | xtension | karsten great |
| 22:28.19 | starmax | jasoncohen, but what damn cd 3 4 5 have important? |
| 22:28.20 | clump | sdb__ agreed. I think the embedded space is getting interesting. |
| 22:28.28 | doub | karsten: a NT4 like PDC, for that matter, not an AD one |
| 22:28.30 | jim | arm is cool but thumb is overly limited |
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| 22:28.42 | clump | sdb__ have you messed with the Linksys Wrt54G machines? |
| 22:28.52 | starmax | there a lot of CD for less important packages.. |
| 22:28.52 | karsten | xtension: The main curves ATM are Active Directory integration, for which LDAP + Kerberos provides near equivalence, and group policy editing. |
| 22:28.54 | sdb__ | clump: afraid not, what are they? |
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| 22:29.04 | karsten | doub: Isn't that experimental in 3 or current dev? |
| 22:29.07 | jim | starmax: -exactly- |
| 22:29.09 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: yes... |
| 22:29.24 | xtension | karsten wouldnt it be nice to have linux desktops ? |
| 22:29.31 | starmax | jim, what packages are less important for example? |
| 22:29.34 | sdb__ | clump: ahh, looks interesting :) |
| 22:29.39 | karsten | xtension: Yes. |
| 22:29.40 | doub | karsten: i guess it's in some CVS or development version, but stable (3) has only NT4 like |
| 22:29.45 | jim | starmax: that's why most people prefer net install... aside from which, do you run debian now? |
| 22:29.46 | clump | sdb__ ah, you're in for a treat ;) They are little wireless routers that you can put custom linux distros on |
| 22:29.46 | gahan | is there filesize limit for linux? |
| 22:29.48 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: Just letting you know, so you could point the topic accordingly. (If people are asking about it enough for it to be in the topic, that's where they should be going.) |
| 22:29.49 | sh4dowcat | xtension: why don't you deploy a native linux solution? |
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| 22:29.51 | karsten | doub: OK. Hard to keep it all straight. |
| 22:29.56 | xtension | karsten and a lot of linux jobs |
| 22:29.56 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: If you'd like, I can put it in a factoid. |
| 22:29.59 | starmax | jim, i run netbsd |
| 22:30.01 | clump | sdb__ openwrt.org |
| 22:30.04 | clueless | omfg u guyz teh srage has releasded!!!!!!1111# |
| 22:30.05 | theorbtwo | gahan: They depend on various things, but yes, everything has limits. |
| 22:30.11 | starmax | jim, but i keep an eye on linux |
| 22:30.13 | justin` | Sarge is released |
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| 22:30.15 | gahan | theorbtwo: like kernel config? |
| 22:30.17 | zOap | Hi, anyone know of a nice create ascii from picture maker? Like in those crack.info's` |
| 22:30.19 | streuner | dpkg, topicsmite Guerin |
| 22:30.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Guerin. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:30.20 | K_Dallas | what options, if any, i should use with cdrecord to verify the CD after burning an iso-image? thanks |
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| 22:30.26 | starmax | jim, i've installed woody though |
| 22:30.28 | streuner | clueless: ;-) |
| 22:30.30 | jim | starmax: wouldn't that depend on the person installing the packages which were more important to him? |
| 22:30.41 | theorbtwo | gahan: Filesystem choice, CPU arch, and application support. |
| 22:30.41 | justin` | I'm going to install potato to be cool |
| 22:30.43 | sh4dowcat | justin: gee thanks we hadn't noticed </sarcasm> |
| 22:30.45 | clump | sdb__ I have 2 of these devices. for about $70USD you can have a little linux box that can do wireless, vlans, routing, bridging... amazing. |
| 22:30.45 | clueless | i wanna downgrde all my servers from woody 2 srage nowm how to this? |
| 22:30.46 | jim | starmax: you can upgrade that woody in place |
| 22:30.48 | deadcat | ops should ban those who joins the channel and say sarge is released |
| 22:30.55 | karsten | xtension: Moreover, you can run: Linux in Windows (coLinux, qemu, vmware), windows in Linux (vmware, qemu, rdesktop, WINE, Win4Lin), Linux-in-Linux (qemu, vmware, UML) |
| 22:30.56 | theorbtwo | It's often 64GB or 4TB, so you probably shouldn't worry about it. |
| 22:30.57 | dondelelcaro | clueless: you mean upgrade? |
| 22:31.02 | dondelelcaro | clueless: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 22:31.03 | starmax | jim, yep but they said that its classified in term of "important" not popularity |
| 22:31.06 | karsten | xtension: ...so it's pretty easy to softwn or blur the transitions. |
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| 22:31.14 | zOap | deadcat, it isnt? It says so on debian.org... |
| 22:31.16 | Guerin | trolled! |
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| 22:31.23 | starmax | jim, oh youre right |
| 22:31.23 | doub | karsten: you forgot xen for the last one |
| 22:31.27 | starmax | its popularity |
| 22:31.31 | WhiteRabbit | deadcat, ya theres no excuse to be happy just because its been 820 days aka 2 years & should control themselves |
| 22:31.32 | jim | starmax: probably the most important is devel |
| 22:31.42 | dondelelcaro | !sacrifice Guerin |
| 22:31.44 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: that was a very temperate response |
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| 22:31.54 | karsten | doub: Point. |
| 22:31.57 | bsims | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.01 | starmax | jim, uhm |
| 22:32.04 | doub | karsten: well, it's not actually linux-in-linux, it's every-free-os-on-the-same-machine-at-the-same-time |
| 22:32.06 | bsims | damn sorry |
| 22:32.06 | karsten | doub: xen's not pure HW emulo, though. |
| 22:32.09 | jim | starmax: so base and build-essential packages would be on the first cd |
| 22:32.22 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 22:32.24 | justin` | my debian@gmail.com just got flooded with questions for some reason |
| 22:32.26 | starmax | jim, well i think 2 cds are enough, more is annoying.. ;) |
| 22:32.27 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Yes. And it's also near-native. And UML isn't HW emulation either. :) |
| 22:32.39 | sh4dowcat | justin: gee I wonder why |
| 22:32.39 | bsims | !sacrifice /me |
| 22:32.40 | Guerin | justin`: hahah |
| 22:32.41 | thoron | What is proper way to make "echo 1 >/proc/sys/dev/cdrom/autoeject" permanent option? |
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| 22:32.43 | jim | starmax: you don't need any cds! |
| 22:32.51 | gahan | what is the ext3 filesize limit on 32bit machine? |
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| 22:32.57 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Point ;-) |
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| 22:33.04 | theorbtwo | !sacrifice your mother |
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| 22:33.05 | dondelelcaro | gahan: big. |
| 22:33.06 | starmax | jim, because they says we will may not need cd 3 and so on ;) |
| 22:33.06 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...but it _is_ native kernel. |
| 22:33.11 | jim | you really don't... because no matter who you are, you will find some packages to be crap to you |
| 22:33.16 | karsten | gahan: Larger than you care. |
| 22:33.22 | sh4dowcat | starmax: look |
| 22:33.22 | starmax | jim, I need cd because if i crash install |
| 22:33.27 | clump | theorbtwo lol |
| 22:33.28 | sh4dowcat | just download the packages you need |
| 22:33.30 | sh4dowcat | to a local source |
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| 22:33.35 | sh4dowcat | and then distribute from there |
| 22:33.39 | sh4dowcat | that way you'll have the packages you need |
| 22:33.41 | gahan | that's just great |
| 22:33.42 | gahan | :-) |
| 22:33.45 | starmax | sh4dowcat, im not so experienced user |
| 22:33.49 | karsten | gahan: On the order of petebytes, if not larger. |
| 22:33.50 | sntg | umm... |
| 22:33.54 | sh4dowcat | without having to waste bandwidth while installing each machine |
| 22:33.56 | jim | \starmax: right, you can make yourself a local mirror if you're so inclined |
| 22:33.57 | sntg | what's the new name for unstable? itch? |
| 22:34.04 | caphuso | sntg: sid |
| 22:34.06 | sh4dowcat | starmax: so why then are we having this discussion? |
| 22:34.08 | resiak | !sarge+1 |
| 22:34.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge+1 is etch, okay? |
| 22:34.08 | streuner | sntg: /msg dpkg sid |
| 22:34.09 | starmax | jim, uhm not a bad idea |
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| 22:34.16 | jim | sntg: unstable is unstable, is sid, which is sid |
| 22:34.16 | mwilson | sntg: Why would unstable need a new name? |
| 22:34.17 | sh4dowcat | you're gonna have to read up on this stuff |
| 22:34.22 | sntg | um...sorry |
| 22:34.30 | sntg | maybe testing? |
| 22:34.35 | WiFiTux | heya. I need to load a script just after networking was loaded. what update-rc.d options should I use? a hint? |
| 22:34.37 | jim | myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 22:34.39 | karsten | mwilson: Because sntg's unclear on subject. |
| 22:34.42 | Guerin | sid faq needs to be in the topic too |
| 22:34.43 | jim | unstalbe has a first name... |
| 22:34.48 | greycat | WiFiTux: use an "up" command in interfaces(5) |
| 22:34.50 | karsten | sntg: testing => stable. unstable => unstable |
| 22:34.53 | Eclipser | any idea when testing is going to start getting updates? |
| 22:34.58 | jim | it's u-n-s-t-a-b-l-e.... |
| 22:34.59 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Uh, no, uml isn't native kernel either. |
| 22:35.00 | sntg | karsten, :* |
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| 22:35.09 | starmax | sh4dowcat, why not ;) |
| 22:35.11 | kasper | can anyone point me to a usefull url that will help me compile a new custom kernel under a default sarge install? |
| 22:35.12 | sntg | that's the best description i had hear never |
| 22:35.17 | rob_lt | thorie_: I add all that type of stuff to an /etc/init.d/local script and add it to the default run levels using update-rc.d after making it executable |
| 22:35.17 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Yes it is. It's compiled bog-standard kernel. target=uml. |
| 22:35.27 | streuner | Guerin: freenode's topic lengh is biiiigggg, but not that big :-) |
| 22:35.28 | Guerin | kasper: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 22:35.29 | sh4dowcat | starmax: because it's release night and there are enough lamers around without you adding to the bunch? |
| 22:35.30 | Blissex | wait a second: someone has hacked into Debian.org and defaced the front page, alleging that the new release has been made! :-) |
| 22:35.31 | starmax | so i'll d/l 2 or 3 cd |
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| 22:35.33 | sntg | and the new question is...:what's the new name for testing? |
| 22:35.34 | karsten | !tell kasper about kp |
| 22:35.34 | jim | kasper: sata? |
| 22:35.35 | starmax | thx guys |
| 22:35.35 | Guerin | streuner: heh |
| 22:35.36 | theorbtwo | unstable => unstabler, I hope. |
| 22:35.44 | plugwash | has debian ever considered cross-building packages? |
| 22:35.46 | rob_lt | sntg: etch |
| 22:35.47 | WiFiTux | greycat: you lost me. I need to make a script for iptables. Which I want to load just after networking and before dhcpd. |
| 22:35.50 | xtension | kasper read the kernel howto |
| 22:35.50 | paulswm | Guerin: Yeah like don putting "NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT" in the topic helped |
| 22:35.51 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, now at least it says it installed the base system succesfully. but the errors are still the same. only the awk error missing. |
| 22:35.52 | doub | karsten: well, xen linux kernel is too, target=xen |
| 22:35.52 | atomjax | Do I need to change all the apt sources on my woody boxes to point to wood instead of stable? |
| 22:35.57 | karsten | JoshTriplett: UML is main tree now. |
| 22:36.04 | rob_lt | atomjax: yes |
| 22:36.06 | starmax | sh4dowcat, im running netbsd and i keep an eye to the linux worl for job right? |
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| 22:36.10 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Yes, it's the standard kernel source. No, it isn't a *native* kernel. |
| 22:36.11 | Guerin | paulswm: stupid people will remain stupid. |
| 22:36.15 | karsten | doub: OK, didn't know that. But it still needs xen to run in, right? |
| 22:36.20 | plugwash | atomjax: if you don't wan't an accidental upgrade to sarge than yet |
| 22:36.21 | streuner | Guerin: if you going to put everything important into /topic the topic should be than a book :-) |
| 22:36.22 | starmax | sh4dowcat, debian seems to be a good linux distro |
| 22:36.25 | kasper | jim: nope. just need acpi and some other shit, and want to kill some exsisting modules that i don't need for that lappy |
| 22:36.30 | atomjax | ok thanks |
| 22:36.31 | kasper | xtension: thanks |
| 22:36.35 | sh4dowcat | starmax: well then you should understand the concept of RTFM |
| 22:36.36 | paulswm | Guerin: Indeed, most capitalize on it by entering senior management. |
| 22:36.37 | karsten | JoshTriplett: It runs w/o additional facilities required. 'linux'. vs., say, qemu's 'qemu <filesystem>' |
| 22:36.38 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Yes. You boot Xen, which boots the Dom0 kernel. |
| 22:36.43 | dondelelcaro | dos000: use the paster bot to paste the complete output. |
| 22:36.45 | kasper | karsten: thank you !!! |
| 22:36.45 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...and I don't know how Xen runs.... |
| 22:36.45 | rob_lt | atomjax: unless you want to upgrade to sarge ;) |
| 22:36.49 | sntg | and who is etch in toystory? |
| 22:36.49 | starmax | sh4dowcat, oh i got it |
| 22:36.54 | Guerin | paulswm: haha |
| 22:36.56 | jim | kasper: so howbout just installing and compiling after you get base and build-essential? |
| 22:36.58 | rob_lt | sntg: etch-o-sketch |
| 22:36.59 | karsten | sntg: The etch-a-sketch, I think. |
| 22:36.59 | theorbtwo | atomjax: If you want to keep woody, whatever it's status is, say woody. If you want to keep stable, whatever it's name, say stable. |
| 22:37.01 | Guerin | sntg: imdb.com |
| 22:37.01 | bbrazil | starmax: etch-a-sketch |
| 22:37.07 | sntg | iep |
| 22:37.12 | sntg | sorry, i'm not english |
| 22:37.15 | ocran | hello |
| 22:37.20 | doub | karsten: of course. it's not in the standard kernel source either, but does it prove any sort of point ? (besides linus and the kernel hackers have made their choice, which is not always the good one...) |
| 22:37.24 | starmax | sh4dowcat, but nothing is said about the CD on the web apart from the popularity .. |
| 22:37.26 | JoshTriplett | karsten: From within Dom0, utilities set up DomU domains and tell Xen about them. |
| 22:37.31 | sntg | we call that "telleskecht", or something |
| 22:37.34 | starmax | that's why i paste a question here |
| 22:37.34 | jasoncohen | starmax, in my opinion the best install method is the net install CD if you are planning on only installing on one machine. It only downloads what you need so it saves time/bandwidth. It can be used to install any of debian's 16,000 packages + any unofficial packages you want to install (i install marillat packages when i do the initial install) and you dont' have to immediately apt-get upgrade after the install because you kno |
| 22:37.34 | jasoncohen | w you have the newest packages. |
| 22:37.34 | kasper | jim: i've already got everything up with just x-windows-core, and e17 running smooth. but i just wanna build a custom kernel now. :) |
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| 22:37.37 | rob_lt | sntg: I'm english, and have seen the movies, but I didn't know until I saw someone else mention it. |
| 22:37.37 | sh4dowcat | starmax: so browse the cd |
| 22:37.38 | WiFiTux | greycat: ? |
| 22:37.38 | karsten | doub: What's dev's choice? |
| 22:37.43 | sh4dowcat | don't bug the debian developers |
| 22:37.44 | paulswm | Guerin: I joined, but escaped back to tech work when I found myself saying "synergy" and the awful non-word "learnings". |
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| 22:37.47 | sh4dowcat | at least not today |
| 22:37.49 | karsten | doub: Serious. I've looked at qemu and uml, not xen yet. |
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| 22:37.52 | sh4dowcat | they have enough on their hands |
| 22:37.59 | Guerin | paulswm: what is a learning? |
| 22:38.01 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ?? |
| 22:38.02 | jim | kasper: ok, start by doing apt-get install build-essential kernel-package |
| 22:38.03 | SDFH_Linux | is netinstall sarge stable out guys? |
| 22:38.06 | sh4dowcat | get a name of all the packages on the cd and compare with those you need |
| 22:38.08 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, yes |
| 22:38.11 | greycat | SDFH_Linux: /topic |
| 22:38.12 | sh4dowcat | SDFH_Linux: see homepage |
| 22:38.14 | jim | kasper: and the kernel source of your choice |
| 22:38.16 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Just trying to explain how Xen worked. :) |
| 22:38.16 | karsten | Jesus fsck is this channel hopping ATM. |
| 22:38.17 | Guerin | jim: and libncurses5-dev |
| 22:38.25 | SDFH_Linux | i am on that site and it still has rc3 |
| 22:38.30 | SDFH_Linux | for netinstall |
| 22:38.33 | sh4dowcat | starmax: a good ls never hurt |
| 22:38.34 | karsten | JoshTriplett: WTF is DomU? |
| 22:38.36 | Guerin | it's the same |
| 22:38.41 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: just do it. |
| 22:38.43 | sh4dowcat | SDFH_Linux: then look harder |
| 22:38.45 | kasper | jim: and do find the kernel source i want i do, ' apt-cache search kernel-source'? |
| 22:38.47 | jim | kasper: <Guerin> jim: and libncurses5-dev |
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| 22:38.55 | paulswm | Guerin: Manegement here use it a lot. Every time I hear it, I want to scream, "It's not a word! The word is LESSONS!" |
| 22:39.01 | starmax | sh4dowcat, right |
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| 22:39.05 | ansong | ok, nevermind. i was wondering why update wasn't working. i guess non-us.debian.org has been slashdotted |
| 22:39.08 | sh4dowcat | kasper: aptitude -r install kernel-tree-2.6.8 |
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| 22:39.12 | Guerin | paulswm: damn straight. |
| 22:39.13 | jim | kasper: sure, if you get the one from debian, it's been patched a bit |
| 22:39.18 | SDFH_Linux | i installed this debian sarge late last nite |
| 22:39.23 | SDFH_Linux | should i do it again |
| 22:39.23 | atomjax | Why wouldnt they just keep apt source as "sarge" or "woody" instead of stable or testing ? |
| 22:39.26 | sh4dowcat | and then use: make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers to compile |
| 22:39.26 | WiFiTux | the topic is wrong. Should be SARGE WAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED nos HAS OFFICIALLY |
| 22:39.26 | qpee | whats the new testing series code-named? |
| 22:39.27 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.28 | greycat | SDFH_Linux: no. just update it. |
| 22:39.29 | starmax | sh4dowcat, jasoncohen thx for the advices. I think i'll install from the net tomorrow or d/l the 2 first CD |
| 22:39.32 | resiak | !sarge+1 |
| 22:39.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge+1 is etch, okay? |
| 22:39.35 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: it'll be the same. |
| 22:39.39 | sh4dowcat | atomjax: read Debian Reference to find out |
| 22:39.39 | greycat | WiFiTux: it's NOT wrong. |
| 22:39.41 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Dom0 is the zeroth domain, which gets native hardware access. DomU is any other domain, which doesn't get direct hardware access unless Dom0 permits it, and has to be set up by Dom0. |
| 22:39.42 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 22:39.43 | paulswm | !singlishsmite dumass manager |
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| 22:39.44 | dpkg | dumass manager: Why so goondu, you? |
| 22:39.45 | paster | "dos000" at 66.11.173.123 pasted "debootstrap is stopping way in the middle." (136 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/185 |
| 22:39.50 | karsten | Guerin: /msg dpkg nike |
| 22:39.51 | jim | SDFH_Linux: howcome? you can upgrade instead... |
| 22:39.54 | SDFH_Linux | anyone running small gui like blackbox |
| 22:39.57 | WiFiTux | greycat: it's not if you talk in cantonese. |
| 22:39.59 | SDFH_Linux | with debian? |
| 22:40.00 | greycat | "Sarge has released." is the present perfect tense. |
| 22:40.00 | JoshTriplett | karsten: You actually have to have two different kernels, one for Dom0 and one for DomU. |
| 22:40.01 | jim | and as indicated, you might not need to |
| 22:40.01 | resiak | !anyone |
| 22:40.01 | dpkg | hmm... anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:40.02 | starmax | BTW i dont get what is the first tier of mirror |
| 22:40.03 | resiak | !tell SDFH_Linux -about enter |
| 22:40.11 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: You're taking a survey? |
| 22:40.14 | kasper | jim: would you say that it would be better to get them from kernel.org since they would be stock (i.e i;m asking would it be better to get them for "optimizing" performace and startup time by getting them from kernel.org?) |
| 22:40.17 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 22:40.21 | jim | SDFH_Linux: yes, but that wouldn't be me |
| 22:40.44 | jim | kasper: all I'll say is kernel.org sources will work with kernel-package |
| 22:40.48 | tarzeau | SARGE THE PLASTIC SOLDIER HAS RELEASED WHAT? |
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| 22:40.57 | kasper | jim: hehe.. :) ok thanks!! |
| 22:40.59 | SDFH_Linux | cool guys thanks for the link |
| 22:41.04 | greycat | now, one might argue that "released" is a transitive verb and therefore should have an object ("released what?"), but we think it's fine as is because of the modernization of "released" into an intransitive verb |
| 22:41.04 | eddyp | tarzeau: a bomb! |
| 22:41.06 | eddyp | :P |
| 22:41.08 | karsten | doub: Again: what's the kern dev's preferred sol'n? |
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| 22:41.12 | paulswm | "Sarge has released" is poor grammar, it should be "Sarge has been released" |
| 22:41.12 | tarzeau | eddyp: in your pants? |
| 22:41.16 | karsten | tarzeau: Stray bits. |
| 22:41.17 | kasper | jim: is that all i need to get it compiled? |
| 22:41.20 | ethics | jasoncohen, if your really shifty you can do multiple machines with net install.....copy the debs from /var/cache/apt/archives to a new machine tasksel the new box apt already has the files so wont go get em again....requires ftp or something on 1 box tho 8) |
| 22:41.21 | jim | kasper: it's very likely that you can easily find out the difference |
| 22:41.22 | Guerin | !greycat++ |
| 22:41.24 | doub | karsten: ask them, how would I know? |
| 22:41.24 | paulswm | Whoops, sorry greycat, didn't see your remark |
| 22:41.30 | karsten | doub: Um... |
| 22:41.33 | sh4dowcat | kasper: Linux version 2.6.11.11-0-pentium-m (root@lockheed) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Wed Jun 1 17:29:23 CEST 2005 |
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| 22:41.42 | sh4dowcat | and yes that's a vanilla kernel |
| 22:41.42 | jim | kasper: probably |
| 22:41.42 | xophEr | hm, trying to apt-get update, but I get this error: Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages 404 Not Found |
| 22:41.50 | karsten | doub: ..."besindes linux and the kernel hackers have made their choice". |
| 22:41.57 | karsten | doub: Presumably you know what it is. |
| 22:42.01 | ocran | I ahve a directory containing several php files and I need to add #!/opt/bin/php as the first line of each file, there are also subdirectorys with php files too, what command has this ability? |
| 22:42.03 | Guerin | xophEr: testing doesn;t have security |
| 22:42.11 | doub | karsten: of what should be in or not |
| 22:42.12 | eddyp | tarzeau: a couple of beers in my head |
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| 22:42.19 | xophEr | Well it worked before? |
| 22:42.24 | Kerr | if i apt-get update/upgrade will my box (everything in soruces.list is testing not sarge) upgrade to etch, or does this transition invovle other such dark arts? |
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| 22:42.28 | Guerin | xophEr: sarge does. sarge is now stable. |
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| 22:42.28 | karsten | doub: ...and what is in? UML, Xen, and ... ? |
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| 22:42.38 | sh4dowcat | GrayThunder: if I can get Sarge working on this laptop |
| 22:42.42 | karsten | doub: there's an unclosed context loop in there somewhere. |
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| 22:42.44 | zumbi | !dpkg fork |
| 22:42.44 | dpkg | spoon! |
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| 22:42.45 | sh4dowcat | you should be able to get it working on your desktop |
| 22:42.48 | xophEr | Guerin, but sarge had it when it was testing too? |
| 22:42.48 | xtension | GrayThunder for you cd to work is probably a lilo config option |
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| 22:43.01 | greycat | cliffburton: make up your damned mind. |
| 22:43.01 | Kerr | ... |
| 22:43.07 | GrayThunder | xtension: GRUB |
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| 22:43.08 | Guerin | xophEr: only for the short period leading upto release |
| 22:43.11 | xtension | GrayThunder try : append="hdb=ide-scsi" to your lilo.conf |
| 22:43.12 | theorbtwo | find -name \*.php|xargs perl -i.bak -pe 'BEGIN {print "#!/opt/bin/php\n"}' # Take that, php! |
| 22:43.26 | xtension | GrayThunder get lilo then ? |
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| 22:43.37 | xophEr | Guerin, oh, ok, so If I use testing I should remove the line from ../sources.list ? |
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| 22:43.47 | Guerin | xophEr: yes. |
| 22:43.49 | Kerr | wht is etch +1 to be called? |
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| 22:43.51 | Seb | xophEr: whut ? |
| 22:43.53 | Kerr | what^ |
| 22:43.55 | Seb | hrm sorry |
| 22:43.56 | GrayThunder | move forward to sarge so i can move backeward to lilo? |
| 22:43.57 | Seb | xophEr: whut ? |
| 22:43.58 | xophEr | thank you |
| 22:43.58 | doub | karsten: my point was that the fact uml being in the official tree while xen is not is not about their respective technical value but rather a matter of choice from the kernel team |
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| 22:44.07 | Seb | GrayThunder: grub accepts kernel parmas just fine |
| 22:44.09 | sh4dowcat | Kerr: does it matter at this point? |
| 22:44.09 | paulswm | !beat Kerr |
| 22:44.10 | sambam | omfg sarge is out |
| 22:44.14 | sambam | SARGE IS OUT |
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| 22:44.15 | xophEr | Seb, ? |
| 22:44.18 | greycat | sambam: /topic |
| 22:44.19 | qpee | resiak: but are there already packages for etch? |
| 22:44.20 | sh4dowcat | seriously |
| 22:44.21 | sambam | can you beliebve t?! |
| 22:44.23 | doub | karsten: does it close the loop? |
| 22:44.23 | Kerr | sambam: no shit |
| 22:44.25 | karsten | doub: ooookaay..... |
| 22:44.26 | Seb | xophEr: why would he have to move back to lilo ? |
| 22:44.27 | sambam | huh? |
| 22:44.28 | streuner | samban: we know that |
| 22:44.29 | sh4dowcat | !beat qpee |
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| 22:44.30 | sambam | I canm't reada |
| 22:44.35 | karsten | doub: I think it's got a half-twist in it. |
| 22:44.40 | Kerr | !own sh4dowcat |
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| 22:44.42 | karsten | doub: ...and there's ants crawling along it. |
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| 22:44.45 | Kerr | aww |
| 22:44.48 | darkgamer20 | YAY I AM REALLY HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! guess y? lolz |
| 22:44.50 | xophEr | Seb, I what, I think you got the wrong person :P |
| 22:44.55 | jim | kasper, kernel-package contains scripts and stuff that (1) build your kernel for you after you get done configuring it, and then (2) scooping up the results of the compile and sticking em in a debian package |
| 22:44.57 | qpee | sh4dowcat: wonderfull, so i learn |
| 22:44.57 | sambam | CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO INSTALL SSARGE? |
| 22:45.01 | greycat | darkgamer20: your parents let you see a PG-13 movie? |
| 22:45.01 | ethics | hmm i wonder if dpkg can kick people for "sarge is out" statements |
| 22:45.05 | paulswm | I bet today has been all omgwtfsargereleasedlol |
| 22:45.05 | sambam | I'VE BEEN DOING THIS ALL NIGHT |
| 22:45.06 | Seb | xophEr: haha, so true |
| 22:45.07 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, hints ? |
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| 22:45.13 | Seb | xophEr: sorry man :) |
| 22:45.14 | Guerin | pwn3d |
| 22:45.15 | tarzeau | hi mjg59_ |
| 22:45.18 | xophEr | np :) |
| 22:45.21 | darkgamer20 | gretcat: no srage is UNLEASHED |
| 22:45.21 | sh4dowcat | qpee, Kerr: look, with all do respect, Sarge just got released. Can we get through tonight at least before we start speculating on sarge+2? |
| 22:45.21 | streuner | sambam: /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:45.23 | darkgamer20 | !!!!!!!!! |
| 22:45.29 | greycat | !released |
| 22:45.29 | dpkg | RELEASED?!? Our software is not *released*! It escapes from the lab, leaving a bloody trail of programmers and QA testers behind it! |
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| 22:45.36 | GrayThunder | sambam: with much wailing and gnashing of teeth. |
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| 22:45.39 | dondelelcaro | dos000: debootstrap worked... now just chroot .; |
| 22:45.52 | sh4dowcat | or is that too much to ask |
| 22:45.59 | ethics | is d-i the right factoid still? |
| 22:46.00 | jim | sambam: well, you can't very well speak after that... but your best bet is to check out the debian installer and the install instructions that cover it |
| 22:46.04 | Kerr | sh4dowcat: okay.. it's 23:43. I'll ask again tomorrow (11 minutes) |
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| 22:46.12 | streuner | ethics: yes |
| 22:46.16 | darkgamer20 | alrite i am gonna go install sarge!!!!!!!! see ya |
| 22:46.22 | Kerr | err |
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| 22:46.24 | Kerr | 17^ |
| 22:46.26 | pureone | :| |
| 22:46.27 | sh4dowcat | Kerr: no, ask when this release mania dies down |
| 22:46.30 | sh4dowcat | aka in a few weeks |
| 22:46.31 | Kerr | ker can no count |
| 22:46.31 | newcoast | sargee |
| 22:46.32 | ethics | struener hehe cool ill tell people randomly then hehe |
| 22:46.33 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, what are the errors ? can they be avoided ? |
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| 22:46.38 | dondelelcaro | dos000: ignore them. |
| 22:46.49 | theorbtwo | Hmm, "woody->sarge" starts with "then". |
| 22:46.49 | qpee | sh4dowcat: sarge+1. i was just wondering about the new testing. but do it, party. i'm using sarge for a long time, so sorry if i'm not that effected |
| 22:46.50 | jim | GrayThunder: you've evidently read "WHere the Wild Things Are" many times :) |
| 22:46.52 | sh4dowcat | it's not like people are going to be very responsive to your requests now anyway |
| 22:46.52 | Guerin | no way, sarge+1 won't be named until maybe 6 months before release |
| 22:47.01 | dondelelcaro | dos000: those are just warnings because debootstrap has to do a few strange things to get stuff to start |
| 22:47.02 | Guerin | err, etch+1 |
| 22:47.14 | jim | bletch? |
| 22:47.20 | sarge | celebratee |
| 22:47.21 | sh4dowcat | qpee: I have a chroot running testing now |
| 22:47.25 | GrayThunder | jim: never heard of it. |
| 22:47.26 | sh4dowcat | let's see what happens |
| 22:47.34 | greycat | dpkg, woody->sarge =~ S/Then/First,/ |
| 22:47.46 | greycat | dpkg, woody->sarge =~ s/Then/First,/ |
| 22:47.46 | jim | GrayThunder: there is much gnashing of teeth in there ;) |
| 22:47.46 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 22:47.47 | AigleDor | what is the difference btw debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso and debian-30r1-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso ? |
| 22:47.51 | greycat | damned caps lock key. |
| 22:48.00 | karsten | 14 CDs.... Hrm. |
| 22:48.01 | sarge | non-us |
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| 22:48.07 | sarge | pkgs |
| 22:48.08 | jasoncohen | anyone know where KDE's icon pixmaps are stored? |
| 22:48.09 | paulswm | Heh, a woody question |
| 22:48.11 | tarzeau | karsten: 15 for source |
| 22:48.11 | qpee | sh4dowcat: and i was asking implicitly, how i could get these testing packages for further usage these days |
| 22:48.12 | dondelelcaro | AigleDor: besides the fact that you don't want either of them? |
| 22:48.15 | sh4dowcat | aidehua: they're both obsolete? |
| 22:48.18 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: learn dpkg -L |
| 22:48.18 | grivell | After Toy Story names run out, a switch to the animators names will occur. |
| 22:48.20 | karsten | tarzeau: Heh. |
| 22:48.30 | sh4dowcat | qpee: wait until release mania dies down |
| 22:48.31 | jim | AigleDor: one has some stuff that can't be distributed from the US |
| 22:48.38 | tarzeau | karsten: i mean, the gentoo people sure want to compile it all by themselves |
| 22:48.39 | qpee | sh4dowcat: ok |
| 22:48.45 | greycat | grivell: but at the current rate, that could be after the heat death of the universe |
| 22:48.47 | karsten | tarzeau: Heh. |
| 22:48.51 | jim | this is not mania :P |
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| 22:48.56 | grivell | greycat: :P |
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| 22:48.58 | paulswm | I dunno, how about the seven dwarfs, that gives 21 years of releases :P |
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| 22:49.11 | GrayThunder | oh well, good thing i dont need cdrecord, gfax, or my mouse for anything important. later all. |
| 22:49.12 | greycat | paulswm: I'd go with other pixar movies, in order, if it were up to me. |
| 22:49.13 | AigleDor | jim: like what? crypto software? |
| 22:49.16 | dos000 | dondelelcaro, thanks ... i saw that it does fake start stop deamons is it possible to do the same while i am chrooted in there ? when i do apt-get it always starts it before i am able to change the ports because of conflicts with the host services. |
| 22:49.20 | greycat | paulswm: e.g. I think Bug's Life is second. |
| 22:49.28 | tarzeau | greycat: like ice age? and nemo? |
| 22:49.29 | jim | the mania has been robbed from us because they didn't let us count down the release time :P |
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| 22:49.33 | sandman | How much does [ ] Debug preemptible kernel slow down the |
| 22:49.36 | dondelelcaro | dos000: yes, you just need to man invoke-rc.d and set up a policy. |
| 22:49.36 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.36 | greycat | was ice age pixar? I thought not... |
| 22:49.45 | sh4dowcat | jim: yaya sure sure WHATEVER |
| 22:49.46 | paulswm | greycat: Just poor humor on my part as there was a number which I could multiply by 3 :) |
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| 22:49.56 | fas3r | anybody have install the UR054g(01) on usb.... |
| 22:49.57 | tarzeau | greycat: might be so. but monsters is |
| 22:50.00 | Kerr | how about characters from james bond? they're endless. |
| 22:50.06 | theorbtwo | Oddly, I don't see Etch on IMDB, in either movie. |
| 22:50.16 | ethics | greycat: hmmm DORY: can i help you, hey stop following me!!! |
| 22:50.19 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: we have a long way to go before we run out of characters |
| 22:50.27 | deadcat | Kerr: they have stupid names |
| 22:50.27 | greycat | tarzeau: yes... toy story, bug's life, monsters inc., toy story 2, finding nemo, the incredibles |
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| 22:50.30 | doub | greycat: it's warner afaik |
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| 22:50.41 | paulswm | Nicks from #debian, maybe? We could have "hogballs", "rectum", etc |
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| 22:50.42 | greycat | tarzeau: not necessarily in that order, and I may be missing one or two |
| 22:50.50 | Kerr | deadcat: imo they're still a whole lot better thna hoary hedgehog. |
| 22:50.52 | shingouz | paulswm: :) |
| 22:50.52 | tarzeau | greycat: why nto use names from the films of them BEFORE toy story? |
| 22:51.01 | greycat | tarzeau: the what? |
| 22:51.05 | [Granger] | hah |
| 22:51.06 | deadcat | Kerr: oh. you mean ubuntu. well ya. |
| 22:51.11 | [Granger] | paulswm: debian is actually respectable |
| 22:51.13 | tarzeau | greycat: they had no films before toy story? |
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| 22:51.16 | greycat | tarzeau: nope |
| 22:51.18 | [Granger] | don't change that by using nicks from here |
| 22:51.23 | greycat | not full-length features |
| 22:51.25 | jim | they had a few shorts |
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| 22:51.29 | bbrazil | there's that short thingy with the desk lamp |
| 22:51.34 | tarzeau | greycat: the lamp that hops around? ok short films |
| 22:51.35 | Kerr | deadcat: how about characters from fps games. |
| 22:51.39 | Vivaldi | is debian based on Linux 2.6.8? |
| 22:51.43 | bbrazil | eddyp: /part |
| 22:51.44 | dondelelcaro | eddyp: /part; /wc; etc. |
| 22:51.49 | greycat | Vivaldi: sarge has a 2.6.8 kernel with patches. |
| 22:51.51 | tarzeau | Vivaldi: no it's based on GNU |
| 22:51.53 | shingouz | eddyp: /part #channel message |
| 22:51.58 | paulswm | [Granger]: Well I wasn't seriously suggecting a release called "rectum", that's prolly better suited to mepis. |
| 22:51.59 | ecliptik | I believe I hare LIRC setup correctly (kernel mods, correct packages, etc), but for some reason my link /dev/lirc to /dev/lirc0 disappears when I restart. How do I get this to always be present even when I reboot? |
| 22:52.02 | ethics | tarzeau: no they just did cgi for others....disney wanted to make movies on other peoples work and just do distribution.. |
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| 22:52.13 | jim | Vivaldi: not really... but you can install 2.6.8 and if you dig, you can also find 2.6.11 |
| 22:52.17 | [Granger] | paulswm: heh |
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| 22:52.31 | ethics | tarzeau: they actually write rendering software too between movies hehe |
| 22:52.34 | ishtvan222 | what can i type into a terminal to see all the running programs? |
| 22:52.35 | doub | ecliptik: either remove udev or set it up in udev conf files |
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| 22:52.43 | dondelelcaro | ishtvan222: ps axfu |
| 22:52.44 | Eclipser | obviously they're in the process of updating the webpages now |
| 22:52.46 | Kerr | debian 5.0-Xearo ^.^ |
| 22:52.54 | jim | I guess pixar wrote renderman |
| 22:52.56 | tarzeau | ethics: hopefully they won't name releases after disney films.... ARIEL, PENELOPE, LIONKING, MICKEYMOUSE ... HILARIOUS |
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| 22:53.01 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Because Toy Story was the one that Bruce Perens worked on and he created the naming scheme. |
| 22:53.06 | ethics | ishtvan222, ps -aux normally does what people want but man ps for more info |
| 22:53.07 | Kerr | debian with fps character names would be awesome. |
| 22:53.14 | ecliptik | doub, is is better to keep or remove udev? I'm not really going to do anything else with the machine once I get LIRC working. |
| 22:53.25 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it matters. If we run out of toy story names, the RM team will be choosing the new ones, not random other people |
| 22:53.25 | Kerr | box misbehaving? go kick it's ass in an arena. |
| 22:53.31 | tarzeau | jim: on OPENSTEP! |
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| 22:53.33 | Vivaldi | jim, 2.6.11 from debian team? |
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| 22:53.39 | tarzeau | jim: or NeXTSTEP even |
| 22:53.41 | paulswm | [Granger]: Yeah well I am part of the minority who doesn't actually want to make a vanity distro :) |
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| 22:53.43 | dondelelcaro | if you do the work, you get to choose the name. |
| 22:53.45 | tarzeau | jim: with Objective-C |
| 22:53.46 | jim | Vivaldi: yes, it's in unstable |
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| 22:53.52 | ethics | tarzeau: debian 3.2 Simba or mufasa? |
| 22:53.57 | Vivaldi | ok.. thanks |
| 22:53.58 | [Granger] | Kerr: Russian Components, American Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN |
| 22:54.00 | doub | ecliptik: it's clicky-automagic (or at least tries to), so it's you to decide. some would tell you it's not for Real Men(tmà |
| 22:54.03 | tarzeau | ethics: is that african? |
| 22:54.03 | individuality | I am currently using the unstable tree, what do I need to change to get sarge running on my system, apt-get upgrade ? |
| 22:54.05 | jim | tarzeau: worked on a few openstep projects |
| 22:54.06 | agrathwohl | Hi guys! I have a few quick questions. 1: How do you stop an X server from another tty? 2: How can I disable gdm, so that I can boot from a .xinitrc file in a user directory? |
| 22:54.09 | ethics | tarzeau: oh scarr...much better |
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| 22:54.10 | agrathwohl | I am so used to Gentoo =) |
| 22:54.11 | doub | ecliptik: s/à/)/ |
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| 22:54.15 | tarzeau | jim: really? i still run two OS4.2 machines |
| 22:54.19 | ecliptik | doub, hahah, well I don't care if I'm a real man, I just want it to work |
| 22:54.20 | ethics | tarzeau: lion king names |
| 22:54.28 | tarzeau | ethics: that's so not cool |
| 22:54.28 | jim | agrathwohl: then debian will take some getting used to |
| 22:54.31 | Kerr | [Granger]: tab abuse makes baby jesus cry. |
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| 22:54.37 | paulswm | individuality: It's kind of hard to downgrade from unstable to testing or stable |
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| 22:54.45 | agrathwohl | jim: Yeah, I know -- but I don't have time to install Gentoo yet... so I'm stuck for a while. |
| 22:54.48 | doub | ecliptik: it can work without, the only thing where it's useful is for automated stuff such as usb storage automounters |
| 22:54.50 | ethics | tarzeau : heheh |
| 22:54.52 | [Granger] | Kerr: so freaking sue me |
| 22:54.55 | Joseg | is there a way to verify email addresses? |
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| 22:55.02 | Kerr | !sue [Granger] |
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| 22:55.07 | bbrazil | Joseg: define verify |
| 22:55.07 | ecliptik | doub, alrite, well that's good since I do use a lot of USB stuff with it |
| 22:55.09 | jim | agrathwohl: who knows... might turn out you like debian :P |
| 22:55.13 | [Granger] | !sue Kerr |
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| 22:55.20 | paulswm | !qotd77 |
| 22:55.20 | dpkg | qotd77 is probably <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 22:55.21 | appaji | individuality: you have to know how to pin and change priorities via /etc/apt/preferences |
| 22:55.24 | Joseg | let's say XXXX@mai.com |
| 22:55.27 | agrathwohl | jim: So far, that's the case. |
| 22:55.32 | appaji | individuality: read man apt_preferences |
| 22:55.35 | theorbtwo | ahuman01: http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1800026443&cf=pg&photoid=36143 |
| 22:55.35 | Kerr | !sacrafice [Granger] |
| 22:55.44 | theorbtwo | I guess he didn't have a speaking role. |
| 22:55.44 | ethics | Joseg : telnet port 110 and see if you can logon as a pop3 mabee?? |
| 22:55.49 | jim | agrathwohl: debian does not have a ports system |
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| 22:55.51 | bbrazil | Joseg: what do you want to do with it? |
| 22:55.53 | doub | ecliptik: well, you need to configure your udev conf files for lirc then. but as i happen to be a real man, i don't know how ;) |
| 22:55.53 | Kerr | bleh. |
| 22:55.53 | ishtvan222 | is there a way to see all the programs that were run in say, the last 24 hours? |
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| 22:56.09 | tarzeau | ishtvan222: not really |
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| 22:56.17 | bbrazil | Joseg: correct way is to try sending a mail with MAIL FROM as <>, although some mails block this for spam reasons |
| 22:56.21 | tarzeau | ishtvan222: well you can check the file dates of all binaries |
| 22:56.22 | jim | nope, not unless you build a process logger |
| 22:56.24 | ocran | theorbtwo, it seems that -pe 'BEGIN {print |
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| 22:56.32 | Joseg | sometimes I want to make sure an email address is legit before sending email or troubleshooting |
| 22:56.37 | doub | ecliptik: and to get benefits from usb storage automounter you'll have to set up hal, on which i can't help for the very same reason |
| 22:56.57 | ecliptik | doub, hal seems to work just fine, I've never had a problem except with lirc |
| 22:57.02 | ishtvan222 | tarzeau: you mean the access dates? |
| 22:57.04 | agrathwohl | jim: They have apt-get |
| 22:57.05 | agrathwohl | Similar. |
| 22:57.07 | ecliptik | which was tricky enough just to get working |
| 22:57.09 | bbrazil | Joseg: google it? |
| 22:57.15 | Joseg | I think in the past there was a command verify |
| 22:57.18 | tarzeau | ishtvan222: yes? |
| 22:57.27 | individuality | paulswm: appaji: thx |
| 22:57.27 | tarzeau | Joseg: still exists |
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| 22:57.36 | theorbtwo | ocran... yes? |
| 22:57.37 | jim | agrathwohl: yes, but originally intended to receive distributed -binaries-, not sources |
| 22:57.38 | ishtvan222 | tarzeau: will htat say the exact time? |
| 22:57.44 | Joseg | Oh really, it exits |
| 22:57.55 | paulswm | ishtvan222: you can get that if you have process accounting, otherwise about the best you can do is use find and look for last accessed times on binaries |
| 22:58.08 | tarzeau | ishtvan222: pretty much |
| 22:58.22 | ocran | theorbtwo, ...is not doing the trick, will such tricks be included in one of the tutorials in the man file? |
| 22:58.25 | ishtvan222 | paulswm: Ok, thanks. Is it easy to set up? |
| 22:58.25 | agrathwohl | jim: I know -- but it's a similar concept. |
| 22:58.26 | jim | but it receives both fine, and you can rebuild packages with it fairly easily... as long as you satisfy the build requirements |
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| 22:58.42 | rtcm | anyone been having badly hinted fonts lately? I wonder if it was fontconfig's crack changes that jeopardized my setup :-/ |
| 22:58.57 | gvandora | If I want to upgrade to sarge stable... and I'm using sarge testing... do I need to change the sites in my sources.list? |
| 22:59.12 | [Granger] | gvandora: yes |
| 22:59.24 | jim | gvandora: just change "testing" to "sarge" and you should be good to go |
| 22:59.30 | bahamat | gvandora: not the sites, just the release |
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| 22:59.35 | jim | update, dist-upgrade |
| 22:59.54 | jim | you can use aptitude for those |
| 22:59.56 | ixrp | Hi, someone implements a vsftpd server with mysql authentication?, someone can give me a url? I googled but i didn't find anything reliable. |
| 23:00.00 | gvandora | ok... what about unstable things like linux-wlan-ng ... they won't be removed or broken will they? |
| 23:00.06 | [Granger] | bahamat_ release? |
| 23:00.07 | paulswm | ishtvan222: yes, the acct package |
| 23:00.27 | bahamat | Grant_: yea "testing" to "stable" |
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| 23:00.43 | [Granger] | bahamat: oh ya |
| 23:00.47 | joel_ | oh, whats that command again to find find man pages from a search keyword? |
| 23:00.47 | theorbtwo | ocran: Tutorials in the manpages? Manpages are for reference. |
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| 23:00.54 | [Granger] | upgraded too many machines :/ |
| 23:01.03 | theorbtwo | Not doing the trick how? |
| 23:01.05 | popey | joel_: apropos? |
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| 23:01.12 | agrathwohl | Does anybody know what I have to do to get the nvidia drivers working here? Do I have to apt-get install the kernel headers? |
| 23:01.23 | joel_ | popey: thanks |
| 23:01.26 | tarzeau | agrathwohl: use the "nv" drivers |
| 23:01.30 | jim | uhoh... upgraded too many? see the debian licensing board and get more really expensive licenses... |
| 23:01.40 | [Granger] | agrathwohl: I used the modules from nvidia's website |
| 23:01.40 | jim | oops, thought I was on #orackle... |
| 23:01.43 | [Granger] | worked like a charm |
| 23:01.44 | WiFiTux | !tell agrathwohl about nvidia-install |
| 23:01.59 | paulswm | jim: heh |
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| 23:02.10 | agrathwohl | Granger: It didn't give you an error after a clean install? |
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| 23:02.19 | [Granger] | agrathwohl: no |
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| 23:02.22 | [Granger] | I use a custom kernel |
| 23:02.37 | jbmigel | !tell agrathwohl about nvidia-one-liner |
| 23:02.37 | [Granger] | make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image |
| 23:02.39 | jim | so that would make you a customer? :) |
| 23:02.41 | [Granger] | install all that, reboot |
| 23:02.44 | WiFiTux | agrathwohl: do what the url tells you. It can't be easier. |
| 23:02.47 | [Granger] | and then run the debian installer |
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| 23:03.09 | agrathwohl | nvidia-install... sounds good |
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| 23:03.27 | STEV | Hi, I have a question.. but Sarge now it's the new stable? |
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| 23:03.36 | jetscreamer | suposedly |
| 23:03.37 | jim | STEV: yes |
| 23:03.40 | paulswm | STEV: yes |
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| 23:03.44 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 23:03.47 | jetscreamer | who wants to know |
| 23:03.50 | jim | the announce was made |
| 23:03.53 | jbmigel | STEV take your woody questions to the grave lol |
| 23:03.53 | jetscreamer | and what'd ya got |
| 23:04.08 | STEV | What will be the name of the next unstable? |
| 23:04.14 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 23:04.14 | shingouz | sid |
| 23:04.15 | jim | won't change |
| 23:04.15 | jetscreamer | or dis |
| 23:04.18 | paulswm | !irritate jetscreamer |
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| 23:04.18 | jetscreamer | or siddis |
| 23:04.18 | dpkg | jetscreamer: HELP ME!!! who uses cable ???/ |
| 23:04.21 | [Granger] | christ |
| 23:04.23 | jetscreamer | i don't |
| 23:04.25 | STEV | well ok.. testing? |
| 23:04.27 | [Granger] | STEV: quit trolling |
| 23:04.29 | jetscreamer | etch |
| 23:04.31 | agrathwohl | lol |
| 23:04.32 | [Granger] | this is release night |
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| 23:04.37 | [Granger] | you can ask this some other time |
| 23:04.44 | STEV | :D |
| 23:04.46 | jetscreamer | new testing nname is etch |
| 23:04.47 | STEV | just to know mr. |
| 23:04.49 | [Granger] | not when everyone's having issues installing debian |
| 23:04.52 | shingouz | so, where's the party? ;) |
| 23:04.54 | jim | unstable is still unstable which is sid... and that's sid. |
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| 23:05.08 | [Granger] | wtf |
| 23:05.09 | jim | shingouz: they didn't let us cound it down |
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| 23:05.15 | [Granger] | Epod69: stop ircing as root |
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| 23:05.28 | jetscreamer | must be the new sarge |
| 23:05.29 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 23:05.30 | shingouz | jim: but all the free beer... :p |
| 23:05.33 | sussudio | in soviet russia, pencil gets you |
| 23:05.38 | paulswm | [Granger]: dpkg msgs roots on join, I believe. |
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| 23:05.51 | bahamat | so, anybody who knows....if I want to become an unofficial debian mirror, Just need to rsync the /debian directory off of one of the other mirrors, right? |
| 23:06.01 | [Granger] | paulswm: well apparenlty Epod69 doesn't get it |
| 23:06.10 | paulswm | [Granger]: no shit. |
| 23:06.13 | [Granger] | bahamat: there's a how-to on that on the site |
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| 23:06.22 | jim | you only get free beer if you make a free speech! |
| 23:06.27 | fas3r_ | anybody have install the UR054g(01) on usb.... |
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| 23:06.37 | shingouz | jim: i just might /me gets the soapbox |
| 23:06.50 | bahamat | [Granger]: do you know where it is? I found a section on becoming an official mirror, but I don't know if my boss would go for it |
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| 23:07.02 | [Granger] | bahamat: so read that |
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| 23:07.08 | [Granger] | but skip the "verification" part |
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| 23:07.11 | [Granger] | (obviously) |
| 23:07.15 | Kerr | epod69 needs to /set user_name toor or something |
| 23:07.30 | bahamat | [Granger]: it's just the requirements, not "do this and then you will have a working mirror" |
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| 23:07.42 | [Granger] | bahamat: google then I guess |
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| 23:07.56 | jla | bahamat I rsync'd the mirrors for a bit. It was a lot of bandwidth unless you limit it to stable. I decided that apt-proxy works better for our small network. |
| 23:08.02 | bahamat | [Granger]: I did, that's how I got to this page |
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| 23:08.06 | jim | OhShit! he's gone! |
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| 23:08.22 | [Granger] | bah |
| 23:08.26 | bahamat | jla: ah, that's a good idea |
| 23:08.28 | [Granger] | place is full of smartasses today |
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| 23:08.34 | greycat | " |
| 23:08.37 | greycat | "today"? |
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| 23:08.51 | [Granger] | Epod69: still here as root |
| 23:08.59 | [Granger] | greycat: well, even more than usual |
| 23:09.16 | K_Dallas | it is release fest time ;) |
| 23:09.17 | zOap | anyone know of a good picture to ascii art conversion app? |
| 23:09.23 | *** part/#debian Georgi (~georgi@dsl-082-082-056-015.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:09.24 | abrotman | i heard .. woody has released! |
| 23:09.27 | bahamat | jla: although, we have about a hundred servers, and a gig fiber uplink to the colo backbone |
| 23:09.32 | K_Dallas | from jail? |
| 23:09.32 | paulswm | !hack Epod69 |
| 23:09.35 | greycat | abrotman: better remove the cock ring. |
| 23:09.51 | paulswm | O_O |
| 23:09.52 | abrotman | greycat: doh |
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| 23:10.07 | zOap | abrotman, but at debian.org it says that Sarge is released as debian gnulinux 3.1... |
| 23:10.20 | greycat | zOap: /topic |
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| 23:10.30 | Dashiva | debian.org are a pack of liars |
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| 23:11.17 | billybar | oh well |
| 23:11.18 | zOap | abrotman, oh, i misunderstood. cause some guy who came in earlier was nearly kicked out cause all said it was just rumours... |
| 23:11.24 | mjg59_ | Dashiva: no. *i'm* a pack of liers |
| 23:11.40 | abrotman | zOap: i think he's still here |
| 23:11.45 | billybar | interesting |
| 23:11.45 | greycat | and maybe a few rebecs |
| 23:11.46 | agrathwohl | In order to use the nvidia drivers from their website, do I need to apt-get my kernel headers? |
| 23:11.56 | mjg59_ | This is the last fucking time I let people use my computer |
| 23:11.57 | billybar | not really |
| 23:11.58 | abrotman | greycat: no massive influx of slashdotters ? |
| 23:12.02 | kingsley | Does the "swapon -s" command report VM in kilobytes? |
| 23:12.05 | greycat | abrotman: who knows... |
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| 23:12.12 | billybar | no slashdotter |
| 23:12.13 | zOap | abrotman, maybe:) I thought you denied that it was released:) |
| 23:12.19 | billybar | it's not even on slashdot |
| 23:12.27 | abrotman | zOap: when i left owrk .. there was still no email from the RM |
| 23:12.28 | greycat | billybar: is so. |
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| 23:12.37 | greycat | !slashdot |
| 23:12.39 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (9 of 10): Wi-Fi Coming on U.S. Domestic Flights ;; Debian 3.1 (Sarge) Released ;; Breathe Under Water Without Oxygen Tanks ;; DVD Decrypter Author Served With Take-Down Order ;; Holmes Wilson Interviewed About Open-Source TV ;; EU satisfied With Microsoft's Antitrust Plan ;; Apple Switching to Intel ;; Tech Columnists' Day Without Email ;; Open source Digital Bacteria. |
| 23:12.40 | bbrazil | billybar: second item |
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| 23:12.53 | HyperZid | what do I need to install.. to get iptables init scripts working?.. so I can load rulesets automaticly at bootup? |
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| 23:13.05 | zOap | abrotman, oh, ok. Well, they are sure busy with sarge:) |
| 23:13.06 | jla | bahamat nice. I like apt-proxy because it caches just the packages I use (which is why I like using the netinst image or boot floppies). |
| 23:13.08 | billybar | some non-us servers are down |
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| 23:13.11 | abrotman | HyperZid: the readme covers that |
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| 23:13.20 | HyperZid | abrotman, what readme? |
| 23:13.22 | greycat | HyperZid: put your iptables commands in a script; make it executable and put the #!/bin/sh on it... and put that script in an "up" command in interfaces(5) |
| 23:13.32 | abrotman | Hydroxide: /usr/share/doc/iptables ? |
| 23:13.37 | billybar | lol |
| 23:13.55 | zOap | !tell billybar about lol |
| 23:14.06 | gandy909 | to upgrade from woody -> sarge now is it apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 23:14.12 | greycat | gandy909: no. |
| 23:14.17 | greycat | gandy909: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 23:14.20 | jnk | gandy909, aptitude ! |
| 23:14.22 | gandy909 | thx |
| 23:14.29 | arango | tightvncserver vs. vnc4server vs. vncserver vs. x11vnc ? Which of these packages is better ? |
| 23:14.30 | jetscreamer | craptitude |
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| 23:14.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:14.37 | billybar | vnc4server |
| 23:14.40 | billybar | is good |
| 23:14.51 | Epod69 | hey, im using Linspire and I have 74 processes running on my computer and my comp is running pretty slow and almost all memory is being used..is there a way to find out which processes are not needed and remove them and from starting up and does anyone know of any performance tweaks ? |
| 23:15.14 | abrotman | Epod69: linspire is not debian |
| 23:15.16 | jim | Epod69: can't say I know anything about linspire |
| 23:15.17 | greycat | we don't support linspire here. |
| 23:15.23 | billybar | disable useless services |
| 23:15.26 | Epod69 | ....linspire is based on debian |
| 23:15.27 | zOap | Epod69, and NEVER will be |
| 23:15.32 | abrotman | Epod69: try ##linux |
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| 23:15.35 | billybar | try sysv |
| 23:15.36 | abrotman | Epod69: it's not debian |
| 23:15.44 | mjg59_ | My chruist, you're all a bunch of cocks |
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| 23:15.46 | jnk | Epod69, try installing debian. Also, a high number of processes doesn't mean a slow machine, and all memory being used is normal not a problem |
| 23:15.48 | jim | Epod69, doesn't matter, I still don't know anything about it |
| 23:15.51 | redge- | What will it do if i put stable links in my sourcse.list file under sarge? |
| 23:15.57 | Epod69 | so no one can help me..i have debian too... |
| 23:15.59 | abrotman | Epod69: lots of things are based on debian .. we can't support them all |
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| 23:16.01 | jbmigel | anyone here install kqemu on sarge 2.6.8 **AND** notice a performance benefit? |
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| 23:16.10 | [Granger] | Epod69: this channel is about DEBIAN |
| 23:16.11 | jim | redge-: you'lll get sarge |
| 23:16.13 | zOap | !linspire |
| 23:16.13 | dpkg | [linspire] a "newbie-friendly" proprietary distribution with some Debian roots, giving KDE and a restricted selection of old packages for $100. it does NOT run windows applications, nor run anyone or anything as root (try Ark Linux for run-as-root) |
| 23:16.15 | billybar | what is kqeme? |
| 23:16.16 | [Granger] | read that again, DEBIAN |
| 23:16.17 | Epod69 | debian, linspire....its all linux |
| 23:16.24 | abrotman | ##linux |
| 23:16.24 | [Granger] | not debian derivatives |
| 23:16.25 | greycat | Epod69: apt-get remove whatever you don't need that actually eats CPU (shows up on top(1)) |
| 23:16.39 | jbmigel | billybar it is like free vmware |
| 23:16.40 | jim | Epod69: then ##linux is what you want |
| 23:16.45 | [Granger] | Epod69: we don't support debian derivatives in here |
| 23:16.45 | Epod69 | i know how to use apt-get and dpkg |
| 23:16.47 | [Granger] | we support debian |
| 23:16.48 | billybar | thanks |
| 23:16.52 | zOap | Epod69, don't be stupid. big difference |
| 23:17.12 | [Granger] | if you're not good enough to run Linspire standalone |
| 23:17.13 | billybar | what about sid? |
| 23:17.15 | nbayr | can anyone tell me whether sarge supports the d-link DFE690 TXD pcmcia card? |
| 23:17.16 | [Granger] | buy the support package |
| 23:17.18 | zOap | !tell Epod69 about linspire |
| 23:17.25 | Epod69 | that !linspire thing is isnt very accurate |
| 23:17.25 | nbayr | i tried with woody, and there was no driver for it. |
| 23:17.27 | redge- | ho hehe, fair enough |
| 23:17.28 | abrotman | nbayr: do you know which driver it uses ? |
| 23:17.31 | nbayr | so i couldn't install any packages. |
| 23:17.34 | [Granger] | Epod69: doesn't matter |
| 23:17.36 | [Granger] | bottom line is |
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| 23:17.41 | nbayr | i have a driver for it, but it needs to be compiled. |
| 23:17.42 | [Granger] | we don't do Linspire support here |
| 23:17.42 | abrotman | oh i know .. |
| 23:17.43 | jnk | isn't Linspire the distro where you log in to KDE as root ? |
| 23:17.47 | abrotman | Linspire isn't Debian :) |
| 23:17.48 | zOap | Epod69, it still isn't debian |
| 23:17.48 | nbayr | if you could walk me through that, i would appreciate it. |
| 23:17.52 | jim | Epod69: but actually, you did get a hint from the person here who suggested that you disable services you do not use |
| 23:17.56 | jbmigel | wow there is like 10 people in this room and all they do is bitching about what debian isnt... its all linux guys |
| 23:18.00 | nbayr | i have instructions that come on the cd for the card. |
| 23:18.03 | Epod69 | jnk...yes but you can have user accounts |
| 23:18.06 | abrotman | nbayr: walk you through finding out which driver it is ? |
| 23:18.08 | plasmatics | how can I set a static ip address for my debian machine across my LAN? |
| 23:18.11 | [Granger] | jbmigel: first off, it's a channel |
| 23:18.20 | greycat | plasmatics: one by one. editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:18.21 | jim | jbmigel: ##linux is for that |
| 23:18.25 | nbayr | no, walk me through configuring this pcmcia stuff. |
| 23:18.26 | plasmatics | greycat: thanks |
| 23:18.29 | [Granger] | jbmigel: secondly, there's a reason distro channels exist |
| 23:18.31 | abrotman | jbmigel: you've been wrong before .. and you're wrong again |
| 23:18.36 | HyperZid | greycat, thanks alot.. works very nice:) |
| 23:18.38 | jbmigel | abrotman dont talk to me |
| 23:18.45 | abrotman | jbmigel: /ignore works doesn't it ? |
| 23:18.50 | ethics | nbayr: id be surprised if the linux26 d-i doesnt find it....thats just a rebaded realtek card from memory |
| 23:18.52 | [Granger] | there are as many ways of putting together a linux system as there are cells in your body |
| 23:18.54 | jbmigel | how to igore you please? |
| 23:18.58 | abrotman | jbmigel: or you can't figure it out ? |
| 23:18.59 | [Granger] | probably more |
| 23:19.01 | zOap | jbmigel, don't be a child |
| 23:19.06 | sussudio | jbmigel: /server ignore abrotman |
| 23:19.08 | abrotman | like i'm going to help you .. read something .. anything |
| 23:19.09 | [Granger] | we can't support them all |
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| 23:19.13 | jim | jbmigel: it's a scalablility issue that deals with the scalability of humans... there is a fairly hard limit :P |
| 23:19.18 | Epod69 | linspire does run things as root...and it does run win applications with wine obviously...who made that stupid description..packages are quite old..=( |
| 23:19.23 | sussudio | !win me |
| 23:19.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, sussudio! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 23:19.25 | zOap | what a doofus |
| 23:19.26 | nbayr | i installed woody just last night, and had to use 20 floppies because network installing was not an option. |
| 23:19.27 | abrotman | sussudio: heh |
| 23:19.27 | greycat | Epod69: it's OFF TOPIC here. |
| 23:19.31 | greycat | Epod69: take it to #linspire |
| 23:19.34 | [Granger] | Epod69: yeah whatever |
| 23:19.35 | abrotman | nbayr: how old is this laptop ? |
| 23:19.36 | paulswm | !prize sussudio |
| 23:19.37 | nbayr | someone told me if i install sarge, it will find my card. |
| 23:19.41 | [Granger] | !beat Epod69 |
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| 23:19.47 | dondelelcaro | nbayr: usually, yes. |
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| 23:19.49 | eyeris | Is there an official repository of packages of software compiled with debugging symbols? |
| 23:19.55 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: no. |
| 23:19.56 | nbayr | it's ancient. it's a thinkpad 310ed, P166 and 32mb ram. |
| 23:19.58 | abrotman | jbmigel: did you misspell my nick ? |
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| 23:20.03 | [Granger] | nbayr: try sarge |
| 23:20.04 | jbmigel | sussudio thanks that was great! |
| 23:20.07 | jim | eyeris: however you can get -g libs |
| 23:20.08 | Epod69 | .....do you guys really hate linspire ? |
| 23:20.09 | eyeris | dondelelcaro, Is there a specific reason for that? |
| 23:20.10 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: however, it's trivial to do... and many larger packages already have -dbg packages |
| 23:20.10 | sussudio | jbmigel: no problemo |
| 23:20.23 | abrotman | nbayr: hrm .. |
| 23:20.27 | [Granger] | Epod69: no, we dislike people that don't respect the channel topic |
| 23:20.39 | [Granger] | this channel is about DEBIAN, not debian and its derivatives |
| 23:20.41 | abrotman | nbayr: you have broadband ? |
| 23:20.44 | nbayr | yep. |
| 23:20.45 | jim | Epod69: no, but there's no support for it here. didn't you hear me? |
| 23:20.47 | jim | jbmigel: it's a scalablility issue that deals with the scalability of humans... there is a fairly hard limit :P |
| 23:20.49 | billybar | there are 855 people in here, OMG |
| 23:20.56 | abrotman | what's the minimum RAM for sarge? 24? |
| 23:21.05 | jim | billybar: nope, 853 :) |
| 23:21.06 | eyeris | dondelelcaro, jim, where can I find the -dpg packages that are compiled? |
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| 23:21.12 | abrotman | nbayr: /msg dpkg d-k .. get the 105MB image |
| 23:21.15 | rob_lt | I've got 850 |
| 23:21.15 | SDFH_Linux | yes and what is the min cpu |
| 23:21.16 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: because no one has bothered to do it, since you can trivially go apt-get source foopkg; apt-get build-dep foopkg; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; cd foopkg-*; DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" CFLAGS="-O0 -g" CXXFLAGS="-O0 -g" fakeroot debian/rules binary; cd ..; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 23:21.18 | abrotman | nbayr: /msg dpkg d-i .. get the 105MB image |
| 23:21.18 | jnk | eyeris, maybe have a look at the apt-buil package to do it yourself for any package |
| 23:21.19 | abrotman | there we go |
| 23:21.26 | jim | eyeris: libwhatever-dbg |
| 23:21.26 | nbayr | i want to do a network install, instead of putting 20 floppies in like last night. |
| 23:21.27 | paulswm | Epod69: Please show some respect for all the volunteers here who support debian, and take your questions to the appropriate channel |
| 23:21.30 | zOap | I don't understand why you come in here and bitch about linspire when this is a debian channel. It's just stupid |
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| 23:21.37 | abrotman | nbayr: your system boots off CD ? |
| 23:21.38 | billybar | you can use a CD, right? |
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| 23:21.40 | eyeris | Thanks |
| 23:21.41 | nbayr | i don't have a burner, so there's no way for me to get this 105mb image on the laptop. |
| 23:21.41 | Vantage | i'm looking at the dist-upgrade output for my woody machine to go to sarge and it seems to want to remove some very important packages... (apache, analog, rmagic, courier*, cups, etc) and is holding back others... any idea how to best handle this? simply let it remove them then reinstall? |
| 23:21.41 | jnk | eyeris, apt-build I mean |
| 23:21.50 | Epod69 | well i thought my questions would be accepted here because linspire is based on debian and all...and my questions was more about tweaking performance then anything to do with linspire |
| 23:21.50 | Narg | !!! It released. |
| 23:21.52 | jim | eyeris: after that, you can rebuild any package you want with -g |
| 23:21.58 | abrotman | !tell Vantage about woody->sarge |
| 23:22.00 | nbayr | it does, but no burner. i have to do a network install, or floppies again. |
| 23:22.01 | billybar | i use unstable |
| 23:22.03 | caphuso | Vantage: are you using apt-get? |
| 23:22.05 | abrotman | nbayr: i installed sarge with 3 floppies :) |
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| 23:22.12 | billybar | it's pretty stable, actually |
| 23:22.14 | nbayr | good, hope i can do that. |
| 23:22.15 | K_Dallas | Epod69, why not try ##linux then? |
| 23:22.15 | Narg | Does sid have x.org in it yet, or is that coming soon? |
| 23:22.16 | zOap | Vantage, that's because it will be replaced with new ones... to old to be upgraded.. |
| 23:22.17 | jim | billybar: I'm sorry... |
| 23:22.19 | abrotman | !sarge floppies |
| 23:22.19 | dpkg | i heard sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 23:22.32 | billybar | not yet |
| 23:22.33 | abrotman | nbayr: hard to say if the pcmcia will work |
| 23:22.36 | Epod69 | k, i will go |
| 23:22.37 | Vantage | caphuso: yeah |
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| 23:22.40 | nbayr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.41 | caphuso | Vantage: don't. read the release notes |
| 23:22.42 | jim | Narg: no x.org until the maint gets time to work on it |
| 23:22.43 | Vantage | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:22.46 | billybar | xorg coming soon |
| 23:22.49 | nbayr | if this doesn't work i guess i'll reinstall windows. |
| 23:22.49 | dondelelcaro | Narg: see /topic |
| 23:22.52 | abrotman | xorg sucks .. use Berlin |
| 23:22.53 | paulswm | Hoofuckingray |
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| 23:23.00 | jbmigel | Epod69 you might want to try compiling your own kernel, you can then select what modules you NEED to run and remove everything else... it has nothing to do with linspire or debian distro |
| 23:23.01 | Vantage | z0ap: not upgraded, listed as removed... |
| 23:23.12 | Vantage | caphuso: thanks |
| 23:23.18 | abrotman | yeah .. he can't figure out top .. let's have him compile his own kernel |
| 23:23.27 | [Granger] | haha abrotman |
| 23:23.28 | billybar | lol |
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| 23:23.32 | Narg | dondeelcaro: I assumed dpkg was out of date. |
| 23:23.34 | ethics | nbayr: the driver for your card is called dfe690 it is running in debian notebooks around the town so i would expect it to be in ther D-I there may be a module list somewhere for the DI |
| 23:23.37 | paulswm | !prize abrotman |
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| 23:23.44 | zOap | Vantage, yes, that was what I said. the packages are to old to be upgraded, so removed.. |
| 23:23.45 | cartel_ | hi all |
| 23:23.47 | Narg | Well, Im off |
| 23:23.50 | cartel_ | jabber is missing ldap xdb |
| 23:23.53 | jbmigel | abrotman why are you such an asshole? |
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| 23:24.02 | abrotman | jbmigel: why are you always giving bad advice ? |
| 23:24.07 | SDFH_Linux | did xorg release with debian stable? |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: no |
| 23:24.14 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: /topic |
| 23:24.14 | billybar | no xorg |
| 23:24.15 | cartel_ | SDFH_Linux: no see xsf |
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| 23:24.19 | quittt | is it etch avaible? |
| 23:24.21 | jim | jbmigel: *shrug* you decided to troll the channel... what do you expect? |
| 23:24.22 | jbmigel | abrotman I was trying to help the guy not just slam him till he runs away scared |
| 23:24.23 | zOap | !lart jbmigel |
| 23:24.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell billybar -about xorg |
| 23:24.29 | abrotman | jbmigel: so go to #linspire with him |
| 23:24.30 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: no. you asked before and the answer is still no |
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| 23:24.32 | dondelelcaro | quittt: not yet, no. |
| 23:24.34 | deadcat | quittt: no stupid fuck |
| 23:24.39 | mwahaskfjhfas | Is there an easy way to compare to binary files and print the differences? |
| 23:24.40 | [Granger] | jbmigel: there's a difference between contructive help |
| 23:24.44 | abrotman | jbmigel: nothing is stopping you from following him there to help him |
| 23:24.45 | [Granger] | and landing people in an even bigger mess |
| 23:24.52 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeesh... relax. |
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| 23:24.55 | [Granger] | you, by recommending that |
| 23:24.55 | ryan` | ps faux |
| 23:24.59 | [Granger] | would land him in a HUGE mess |
| 23:24.59 | ryan` | heh |
| 23:25.04 | quittt | deadcat, hey shut up!!! |
| 23:25.05 | ryan` | wrong window |
| 23:25.05 | [Granger] | that we most probably would have to clean up |
| 23:25.53 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hahah. anger problem here |
| 23:25.54 | abrotman | ryan`: wrong screen :) |
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| 23:25.54 | quittt | deadcat, dont be agressive |
| 23:25.54 | deadcat | quittt: no, i wont shut the fuck up |
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| 23:25.54 | K_Dallas | is sarge now considred main in the sources.list and etch the testing? |
| 23:25.54 | jbmigel | lookit all you guys like really, cant you see i was trying to help him and now i have 6 lusers on my back? |
| 23:25.54 | quittt | deadcat, ohhhhh I will cry if you dont |
| 23:25.54 | quittt | nerd |
| 23:25.55 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: no, it's considered stable, and etc is testing. |
| 23:25.55 | paulswm | K_Dallas: 'stable' |
| 23:25.55 | jim | K_Dallas: main is a different thign |
| 23:25.55 | abrotman | K_Dallas: if you check the ftp site .. do you see etch listed ? |
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| 23:25.55 | cartel_ | hoky crap this channel has gone to the dogs |
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| 23:25.56 | paulswm | Geez |
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| 23:25.57 | zOap | wow, and we're off again... Peopleand their problems.... |
| 23:26.04 | abrotman | yay .. etch is there |
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| 23:26.07 | deadcat | quittt: then cry |
| 23:26.17 | Eclipser | t |
| 23:26.19 | Eclipser | whops |
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| 23:26.22 | abrotman | zOap: i have no problems .. it's everyone else :) |
| 23:26.28 | [Granger] | ok jbmigel |
| 23:26.30 | K_Dallas | abrotman, not checked for etch, i was thinking of the changes i had to bring to my sources.list |
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| 23:26.32 | ryan` | wow. |
| 23:26.34 | ryan` | neat. |
| 23:26.34 | [Granger] | next time someone asks about a debian derivative |
| 23:26.37 | [Granger] | we'll page you about it |
| 23:26.41 | [Granger] | deal? |
| 23:26.52 | paulswm | Good idea [Granger] |
| 23:26.56 | ryan` | anyone here use pebble? |
| 23:26.57 | abrotman | or he can just fucking go to #linspire |
| 23:26.58 | jbmigel | [Granger] whatever |
| 23:27.02 | zOap | abrotman, yeh, that's what I meant.:) They are just crazy in hre... but we have to stand up to them:) |
| 23:27.05 | kingsley | Does the 2.4.27 kernel have a bug that kills processes after mistakenly assuming that virtual memory is exhausted? |
| 23:27.08 | abrotman | zOap: heh |
| 23:27.10 | SDFH_Linux | what is the min cpu and ram for debian sarge? |
| 23:27.11 | dondelelcaro | if you want to support Debian derivatives, join the channel of the derivative you want to support, and support it. |
| 23:27.16 | [Granger] | paulswm: it's settled then :) |
| 23:27.20 | abrotman | kingsley: wasn't that like 2.4.9 ? |
| 23:27.29 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: m68k and ~12M ram. |
| 23:27.48 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no 386 support right ? |
| 23:27.50 | SDFH_Linux | 12mb of ram |
| 23:28.00 | SDFH_Linux | what is the min ram for blackbox? |
| 23:28.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nah, you need at least a 486 |
| 23:28.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i thought as much |
| 23:28.09 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: probably 32M for X |
| 23:28.11 | jla | K_Dallas ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Release |
| 23:28.11 | ryan` | why does aptitude have minesweeper buit in? |
| 23:28.12 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: like 512K :) |
| 23:28.13 | jim | just TRY supporting -all- derivative... then you see why people don't here. |
| 23:28.17 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: X is another problem |
| 23:28.31 | K_Dallas | thanks jla |
| 23:28.32 | Guerin | ryan`: so you can do something while it's working |
| 23:28.32 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: are you planning to take out some ram to its minimum so you can run sarge and blackbox or something? |
| 23:28.34 | paulswm | More like 128MB for X is suspect |
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| 23:28.37 | SDFH_Linux | let me rephrase to but a working x and blackbox with broswer |
| 23:28.40 | paulswm | s/is/I/ |
| 23:28.41 | Guerin | nah |
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| 23:28.42 | jim | ryan`: it does? :) |
| 23:28.42 | SDFH_Linux | what is the min |
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| 23:28.46 | kingsley | abrotman: I'll google for 2.4.9. |
| 23:28.47 | ryan` | jim, yup |
| 23:28.48 | jim | thats funny :) |
| 23:28.50 | ryan` | ok |
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| 23:28.53 | ryan` | so. |
| 23:28.57 | abrotman | kingsley: probably easier to read kerneltrap archives |
| 23:28.57 | Guerin | x is tolerable in 64, probably get away with 32 |
| 23:28.57 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: whatever you have, it will probably work. |
| 23:28.59 | SDFH_Linux | i am asking because friends wan to run debian but have lower end cpus |
| 23:28.59 | deadcat | SDFH_Linux: you have enough. |
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| 23:29.08 | SDFH_Linux | and lower ram |
| 23:29.09 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: how much lower ? |
| 23:29.09 | SDFH_Linux | than i |
| 23:29.13 | SDFH_Linux | 32mb |
| 23:29.14 | kingsley | abrotman: Where's kerneltrap? |
| 23:29.21 | SDFH_Linux | and pentium II |
| 23:29.35 | abrotman | kingsley: kerneltrap.org .. also .. kerneltraffic.org might have smoe info for you |
| 23:29.37 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: more memory would be ideal, but it will work on those machines. |
| 23:29.45 | SDFH_Linux | ok cool |
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| 23:29.47 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: 32MB plus PII isn't horrible |
| 23:29.59 | SDFH_Linux | with blackbox it should be fine i imagine |
| 23:30.01 | abrotman | i have a 486 with 36MB :) |
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| 23:30.33 | abrotman | but .. i haven't even attempted X on it yet |
| 23:30.33 | mdh | SDFH_Linux: WindowMaker was developed on machines of that spec |
| 23:30.34 | jla | SDFH_Linux I'm running it on a Beige G3 266 w/ 2mb ATI built-in video and 128M ram. Works fine for a desktop if you can live w/ 800x600. No 3d stuff. |
| 23:30.34 | deadcat | abrotman: if you have screen, screw X |
| 23:30.34 | gothtec | I used to run sarge when it was "testing". Should I now replace the word testing with stable in sources.list? |
| 23:30.39 | abrotman | deadcat: it was my pppd router :) |
| 23:30.46 | deadcat | o |
| 23:30.49 | billybar | yeah |
| 23:30.50 | abrotman | gothtec: would you like to track sarge or testing ? |
| 23:30.51 | billybar | you should |
| 23:30.56 | Guerin | gothtec: IF YOU WANT TO STABILISE, YES. |
| 23:31.00 | Guerin | bah, cpas |
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| 23:31.02 | Guerin | my bad |
| 23:31.06 | abrotman | caps even |
| 23:31.15 | gothtec | abrotman: sarge. i'm perfectly comfortable with that. woody was too old |
| 23:31.19 | joel_ | dude, havn't you remapped? |
| 23:31.30 | abrotman | gothtec: then for now .. change all references of testing to sarge |
| 23:31.32 | joel_ | I got ctrl at my caps lock key |
| 23:31.39 | gothtec | will do |
| 23:31.41 | Guerin | shuddup... i've slept about 16 of the last 96 hours |
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| 23:31.52 | abrotman | Guerin: stop playing with bunneh! |
| 23:31.55 | SDFH_Linux | gothtec that was a good question i am glad you asked that |
| 23:32.06 | concept10 | what app od you guys use to view quicktime files (embedded)?. I can never run quicktime with mplayer from apples site |
| 23:32.14 | gothtec | I'm tired, alright? |
| 23:32.16 | paulswm | Anyway, suggested minimum HW requirements is in teh installation manual at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 23:32.25 | znx | [Granger]: :) |
| 23:32.26 | abrotman | concept10: i don't htink sorensen can be played at all in linux |
| 23:32.34 | zOap | !greet paulswm |
| 23:32.34 | dpkg | Salutations, paulswm |
| 23:32.43 | paulswm | !beer zOap |
| 23:32.49 | abrotman | !sorenson |
| 23:32.49 | dpkg | i heard sorenson is the worse supported codec in the world... only playable via qtplayer... the most ugliest UI ever made... and slow as hell. Also eats so much CPU!, or under the thumb of Apple, so blame them at least a bit. |
| 23:32.51 | zOap | yummi |
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| 23:33.02 | zOap | :) |
| 23:33.11 | billybar | (&) |
| 23:33.14 | plasmatics | how can I save a file in editor? |
| 23:33.16 | abrotman | who the hell wrote that factoid ? |
| 23:33.22 | Guerin | dpkg, sorensen =~ s/ at least a bit// |
| 23:33.22 | dpkg | Guerin: i didn't have anything called 'sorensen' to modify |
| 23:33.26 | jim | plasmatics: depends on editor |
| 23:33.29 | concept10 | gosh i want to watch that keynote |
| 23:33.29 | Guerin | dpkg, sorenson =~ s/ at least a bit// |
| 23:33.30 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 23:33.30 | niktaris | hi, how can recreate the kde menu structure? |
| 23:33.32 | mdh | now that sarge is released, do we track sid or etch? ;) |
| 23:33.36 | abrotman | !guerin++ |
| 23:33.37 | justin` | during the sarge debian-installer program it tries to auto configure dhcp but always fails.. just using a linksys router.. what should I do? tried manually configuring but that didn't work |
| 23:33.40 | plasmatics | jim: it's the "editor" command |
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| 23:33.44 | abrotman | mdh: that's up to you |
| 23:33.49 | plasmatics | jim: unless you are refering to the version |
| 23:33.49 | zOap | !beer abrotman, paulswm , dondelelcaro an myself |
| 23:33.52 | swim | i was wrong i am back |
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| 23:33.56 | sean_micken | "Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found" -- do i need to change testing to sarge? |
| 23:33.58 | billybar | lnksys sucks big |
| 23:33.58 | abrotman | mdh: you can either track etch . which will be testing .. or sid which is unstable |
| 23:34.04 | Guerin | sean_micken: yes. |
| 23:34.08 | sean_micken | Guerin: ah, k. |
| 23:34.10 | mdh | abrotman: I'm a little confused as to which is which now because I heard there was going to be some changes... |
| 23:34.13 | jim | plasmatics: hmm,,, no idea... I'm not aware of an editor called editor :) look in /etc/alternatives |
| 23:34.14 | abrotman | like it's not hot enough . i gotta cook |
| 23:34.17 | paulswm | My linksys stuff works great |
| 23:34.20 | mdh | abrotman: ahh.. thanks |
| 23:34.20 | bahamat | sean_micken: there are no security updates for testing |
| 23:34.22 | aFlag | when is etch going to be stable? |
| 23:34.28 | abrotman | mdh: sarge is stable .. etch is testing .. sid is unstable |
| 23:34.28 | concept10 | anyone know when sarge will be released? any day now? |
| 23:34.30 | Linuxlookup | sean_micken have you read the documentation? |
| 23:34.35 | dondelelcaro | !topicsmite concept10 |
| 23:34.36 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon concept10. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 23:34.36 | jim | aFlag: 500 years ago |
| 23:34.40 | Guerin | /usr/bin/editor is a symlink to the altternative for editor |
| 23:34.41 | zOap | concept10, read the topic |
| 23:34.42 | concept10 | :) |
| 23:34.46 | abrotman | mdh: make sense ? |
| 23:34.48 | sean_micken | bahamat: there was? |
| 23:34.55 | sean_micken | bahamat: did that change when sarge was released? |
| 23:34.56 | mdh | abrotman: yes, thank you |
| 23:34.58 | concept10 | i wanted to see who would respond first |
| 23:34.59 | bahamat | sean_micken: no there wasn't |
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| 23:35.03 | abrotman | mdh: so which are you going to track ? |
| 23:35.05 | Linuxlookup | The release notes are there for a reason. |
| 23:35.06 | sean_micken | bahamat: it worked fine before. |
| 23:35.08 | bahamat | sean_micken: there have never been |
| 23:35.16 | mdh | abrotman: I'll continue with sid ;) |
| 23:35.16 | Linuxlookup | Perfect step by step instruction. |
| 23:35.16 | sean_micken | yes huh. |
| 23:35.17 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 23:35.19 | jim | concept10: that is trolling, and by definition too |
| 23:35.22 | abrotman | mdh: ok .. |
| 23:35.25 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah... although, everything should really be calling /usr/bin/sensible-editor instead. |
| 23:35.26 | concept10 | sarge is nice, just finished my install |
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| 23:35.28 | Guerin | testing HAD security while it was about to release |
| 23:35.29 | bahamat | sean_micken: well it shouldn't be there, and at the moment I don't believe that there is a 'testing' version |
| 23:35.32 | abrotman | mdh: just as long as you're aware of what you're actually doing :) |
| 23:35.42 | Guerin | now that sarge isn't testing any more, it's not got security, capiche? |
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| 23:35.45 | sdb__ | aFlag: since sarge took three years, don't hold your breath. :) |
| 23:35.49 | thomas22 | I need to know how to set the default for which gui startx calls upon, anyone know or know what website talks about this topic in general? |
| 23:35.52 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. |
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| 23:35.54 | concept10 | jim: sorry, im in a good mood today |
| 23:35.55 | plasmatics | jim: it says to press C-x then C-s at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-edit.en.html but that doesn't work |
| 23:36.09 | zOap | !beersmite concept10 |
| 23:36.11 | green_earz | concept10: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 23:36.12 | dondelelcaro | thomas22: edit .Xsession |
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| 23:36.25 | thomas22 | ok |
| 23:36.29 | Guerin | !wayttd plasmatics |
| 23:36.29 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, plasmatics? |
| 23:36.35 | jim | plasmatics: ls -l $(which editor) |
| 23:36.46 | jim | should be one line. show it |
| 23:36.50 | sean_micken | hmm |
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| 23:37.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: is it .Xsession or .xsession ? |
| 23:37.05 | amahbod | could anyone point me to a program which i culd use to back up my dvds? |
| 23:37.11 | mdh | abrotman: I like the bleeding edge. actually I've mostly tracked unstable for ... 6 years (?) now, only ever had problems I made for myself ;) |
| 23:37.11 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: either/or |
| 23:37.14 | sean_micken | i changed 'testing' to 'sarge' in my sources.list and now there's 93 upgrades whereas moments before there was none... is that right? |
| 23:37.23 | amahbod | or is this topic frowned upon in here. |
| 23:37.34 | abrotman | mdh: good |
| 23:37.46 | Guerin | sean_micken: if it all says sarge, just go with it. |
| 23:37.50 | jim | amahbod: why would you think it would be frowned upon? |
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| 23:37.54 | Linuxlookup | lol |
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| 23:38.07 | amahbod | jim, just some circles frown upon such things |
| 23:38.07 | plasmatics | jim: you just lead me back to step one... |
| 23:38.11 | thomas22 | dondelelcaro: I cant find xsession, I thought 'ls -R <filename>' was suposed to scan the whole directory tree for a file but mabye I'm wrong? |
| 23:38.14 | sean_micken | Guerin: mm.. they're from unstable. |
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| 23:38.22 | amahbod | jim, do you know of a program that does it |
| 23:38.25 | dondelelcaro | thomas22: you have to create it. |
| 23:38.30 | sean_micken | Guerin: i have a APT::Default-Release "sarge"; in my apt.conf |
| 23:38.30 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: for STARTUPFILE in "$USERXSESSION" "$ALTUSERXSESSION"; do... |
| 23:38.35 | Guerin | sean_micken: then you have something that's not sarge in your sources. |
| 23:38.40 | jim | amahbod: why would such circles think that? |
| 23:38.45 | amahbod | i dont know |
| 23:38.48 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: by default USERXSESSION is .xsession; ALTUSERXSESSION is .Xsession |
| 23:38.50 | ryan` | question..... |
| 23:38.51 | amahbod | jim, i dont know |
| 23:38.52 | thomas22 | dondelelcaro: Is ther somewhere I can go to learn about this? It sounds complicated somehow... |
| 23:38.57 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cool thanks |
| 23:39.03 | ethics | amahbod: dvdbackup, acidrip if you want to goto divx, mencoder for other variations theres more but thats some dcent ones |
| 23:39.06 | dondelelcaro | thomas22: man xsession; |
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| 23:39.13 | jim | plasmatics: did you show the line to us/me? |
| 23:39.13 | ryan` | is there any way to master a dual layer sized DVD image of sarge? |
| 23:39.18 | amahbod | ethics, do those go dvd to dvd? |
| 23:39.24 | amahbod | ethics, i dont want a divx rip. |
| 23:39.25 | sean_micken | Guerin: can i not use packages from unstable when using sarge? |
| 23:39.29 | deadcat | thomas22: you can borrow my copy at sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.xsession |
| 23:39.31 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: basically, /etc/X11/Xsession; /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xfree86-comon_determine_startup or something |
| 23:39.33 | zOap | jim, leave amahbod be, you know how those ubuntu channels can be:D: |
| 23:39.35 | kulk | hello |
| 23:39.42 | plasmatics | jim: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Jun 2 20:19 /usr/bin/editor -> /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 23:39.46 | Guerin | sean_micken: don't. It'll give you pain. |
| 23:39.47 | plasmatics | ... |
| 23:39.49 | amahbod | zOap, lol |
| 23:39.55 | sean_micken | Guerin: i need some shit though. |
| 23:39.58 | jim | plasmatics: ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 23:40.01 | jim | should be one line. show it |
| 23:40.02 | ethics | amahbod: go to files k3b or something can reburn them off....on fly can use k3b alone i think unles deregioning |
| 23:40.03 | sean_micken | Guerin: like nvidia stuff. |
| 23:40.04 | thomas22 | deadcat: thanks! |
| 23:40.15 | Guerin | sean_micken: i'm sure you can get some from the local horse farm. |
| 23:40.29 | theorbtwo | sean_micken: At present, I exepct sarge and unstable to be mostly the same. However, they will diverge over time. |
| 23:40.35 | amahbod | ethics, what about reincoding a 9+gb dvd to a 4.7gb dvd |
| 23:40.46 | plasmatics | jim: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 2 20:17 /etc/alternatives/editor -> /usr/bin/vim |
| 23:40.48 | amahbod | ethics, will dvdbackup handle that? |
| 23:40.53 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh ya.. found it in /etc/X11 |
| 23:41.05 | jim | plasmatics: that identifies the editor you are using as vim. |
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| 23:41.15 | plasmatics | jim: oh, whoops, i misread what you said the first time :P |
| 23:41.18 | dondelelcaro | if you want a different editor, define EDITOR |
| 23:41.26 | dondelelcaro | or update-alternatives --configure editor |
| 23:41.27 | Guerin | heh |
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| 23:41.32 | ethics | amahbod you need to rip so proabbly more like mencoder.....its on marillat repositries not a debian mirror package |
| 23:41.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: should i call it .Xresources instead of .Xdefaults then? |
| 23:41.36 | devilhorns | hello all |
| 23:41.37 | dondelelcaro | (the latter being system wide, the former per user) |
| 23:41.43 | devilhorns | any debian devel's around ? |
| 23:41.48 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I think they both get xrdb -merged |
| 23:41.52 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: just ask your question |
| 23:41.53 | jim | he just wants to know how to save in that editor |
| 23:41.55 | theorbtwo | In theory, you can run a mix, and reconsider every time apt-get upgrade gives you a "have been kept back". |
| 23:41.58 | dondelelcaro | s/deadcat/devilhorns/ |
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| 23:42.20 | ethics | amahboc:dvd backup is more of a direct copy to hdd...if you can burn the same size thats the easiest way...if your shrinking mencoder or something similar is needed |
| 23:42.29 | Guerin | plasmatics: in vim? ESC :wq |
| 23:42.30 | cafuego | are we all running around excitedly? |
| 23:42.38 | devilhorns | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 23:42.53 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: not all... but I chopped of a few people's heads... they haven't quite figured out that they're dead yet. |
| 23:43.01 | chaps0063 | so I will be able to install 3.1 using the newest netinst 100mb cd? |
| 23:43.06 | dondelelcaro | chaps0063: yes. |
| 23:43.08 | Guerin | chaps0063: yes. |
| 23:43.09 | plasmatics | Guerin: thanks |
| 23:43.11 | cafuego | dondelelghengis: <heh> |
| 23:43.14 | kerneld | Hmm, the torrented cd1 installed, then looked for security updates for testing and 404'ed |
| 23:43.20 | plasmatics | and thanks jim |
| 23:43.29 | kerneld | is that an oops, or did I just hit enter too quickly |
| 23:43.31 | Guerin | TESTING DOES NOT HAVE SECURITY SUPPORT |
| 23:43.39 | Guerin | christ |
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| 23:43.44 | kerneld | I know! |
| 23:43.50 | devilhorns | deadcat, in debian (with Gnome 2.0)...trying to get the prefix to where Gnome gets installed, using pkg-config --variable=prefix gnome-desktop-2.0 returns nothing...is there a better way to check ? |
| 23:43.52 | Guerin | this is going to be the new moron question du jour |
| 23:43.54 | kerneld | but I installed stable not testing |
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| 23:44.10 | deadcat | devilhorns: no clue. |
| 23:44.13 | Guerin | kerneld: so why are you trying to find testing security? |
| 23:44.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i am gonna change from .Xdefaults to .Xresources (= |
| 23:44.26 | kerneld | I am not, the default install is trying to find it |
| 23:44.27 | devilhorns | deadcat, darn, thanks anyway |
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| 23:44.45 | devilhorns | anyone else have an idea ? |
| 23:44.46 | Guerin | kerneld: which installer? |
| 23:44.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell error403 about away |
| 23:44.50 | cafuego | kerneld: So you installed testing? |
| 23:45.09 | mdh | was non-US removed from sid? I'm 404'ing on that |
| 23:45.17 | Guerin | mdh: yes. |
| 23:45.20 | dondelelcaro | devilhorns: the experimental gnome packages should have an example of setting the prefix. |
| 23:45.20 | shadowarts | i have sarge testing installed, do i need to change apt to work with with debain relase now? |
| 23:45.25 | mdh | awesome, about bloody time |
| 23:45.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell mdh about crypto in main |
| 23:45.34 | cafuego | shadowarts: Sarge isn't testing. it's stable. |
| 23:45.37 | trave11er | devilhorns: if you want to know where gnome is installed, run dpkg -L on the package |
| 23:45.39 | shadowarts | yeah i know |
| 23:45.47 | kerneld | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 23:45.53 | Guerin | !sarge upgrade path |
| 23:45.54 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades will work once sarge stabilises: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 23:45.55 | shadowarts | cafe_roy, it wasnt about 3 months ago when i installed it |
| 23:46.00 | cafuego | shadowarts: Does it say 'testing' in your sources.list or 'sarge' ? |
| 23:46.06 | devilhorns | trave11er, is there anyway to test for the prefix in a configure script ? I tried using pkg-config |
| 23:46.06 | shadowarts | testing |
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| 23:46.18 | cafuego | shadowarts: just change all of those to sarge and you'll be fine. |
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| 23:46.25 | trave11er | devilhorns: you usually _set_ prefix in the configure script :-0 |
| 23:46.31 | trave11er | devilhorns: not check for it |
| 23:46.32 | masoft | what I must to add in sources.list for upgrade to sarge ? |
| 23:46.33 | shadowarts | cafuego, ok thanks |
| 23:46.33 | Guerin | !sarge upgrade path =~ s/will work once sarge stabilises/work now that sarge has stabilised/ |
| 23:46.33 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 23:46.44 | trave11er | devilhorns: or you are trying to figure out the default one? |
| 23:46.48 | devilhorns | trave11er, I'm writting a piece of software that needs to know where gnome is installed |
| 23:46.51 | Linuxlookup | This would be the perfect opportunity for you to ask "What is Debian?" |
| 23:46.53 | devilhorns | trave11er, right |
| 23:46.55 | cafuego | Is xorg in Etch yet? |
| 23:47.21 | trave11er | devilhorns: well, you will need to build-depend on gnome packages, and the location of the files in them is fixed in debian |
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| 23:47.45 | devilhorns | trave11er, ok, but what is the location ? |
| 23:47.46 | trave11er | devilhorns: just figure it out and use it |
| 23:48.04 | shadowarts | excellent cafuego that seems to work great |
| 23:48.40 | sean_micken | Guerin: so whatever packages i want from unstable need to be download seprately (along with all their dependencies) and installed manually with dpkg? |
| 23:48.46 | trave11er | devilhorns: either install the package(s) which provide the needed file(s) and run dpkg -L <package-name> |
| 23:48.53 | mdh | cafuego: its not even in sid |
| 23:48.54 | trave11er | devilhorns: or use packages.debian.org |
| 23:48.59 | shadowarts | i turned on my server 3 months ago using debian sarge and it hasnt crashed or had any problems yet |
| 23:49.00 | ethics | lol whos the rocket scientist who put a link to kde 3.4 on slashdot ...just in time to create a stable version unstable....LOL |
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| 23:49.10 | trave11er | devilhorns: it will tell you the packages and locations of the file by the name |
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| 23:49.18 | devilhorns | ahh, thanks trave11er , will check that site |
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| 23:49.29 | trave11er | devilhorns: np |
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| 23:49.41 | masoft | what I must to add in sources.list for upgrade to sarge before apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 23:50.16 | ethics | masoft: sarge instead of stable/testing |
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| 23:50.38 | MobyTurbo | !tell masoft -about woody->sarge |
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| 23:50.50 | masoft | ethics, my sources.list is just contains my debian DVDs |
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| 23:50.57 | tallison | Hello... Stupid question... non-us.debian seems to be SOL. Can anyone confirm this? |
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| 23:51.17 | Solet-deb | tallison: i think its been moved to "contrib" |
| 23:51.18 | ethics | masoft: apt-setup as root...pick some mirrors check the sources list has sarge in it instead of stable/testing |
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| 23:51.22 | MobyTurbo | tallison: US export laws relaxed to the point that it is no longer needed. |
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| 23:51.34 | MobyTurbo | Solet-deb: no, it's mostly in "main" |
| 23:51.34 | sean_micken | i have two soundcards -- first is integraded on the mobo and the second is a SB Live! that's plugged into a PCI slot... i want the SB Live! to be the primary sound card, but despite running alsaconf and selecting that card, it loads up the integraded card on boot up.... how do i fix that? |
| 23:51.37 | tallison | So non-us is included in www.debian.org now? |
| 23:51.39 | FieldySnuts | @kill GangBanga4Money and his ident |
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| 23:51.50 | Solet-deb | MobyTurbo: my appologies... i stand corrected |
| 23:52.00 | bucky | tallison non-us is no longer used |
| 23:52.11 | billybar | okay |
| 23:52.20 | NyteOwl | sean_micken can you disable on board sound in the BIOS |
| 23:52.25 | ethics | sean_micken just change the load order in /etc/modules or modconf or whereever alsaconf changed it..... |
| 23:52.27 | MobyTurbo | tallison: it's available in any non-woody "main" repository. |
| 23:52.35 | billybar | so we can safely remove non-us in the source list? |
| 23:52.37 | ethics | sean_micken, or disable onboard |
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| 23:52.45 | lef_ | erm, now that sarge is not 'testing' anymore, do I have to make any changes in my apt configuration files? |
| 23:52.46 | kingsley | What are good utilities for diagnosing virtual memory problems? top? free? |
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| 23:52.59 | Rickdangerous | read the f**king release notes. |
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| 23:53.03 | sean_micken | ethics: the "load order?" |
| 23:53.03 | MobyTurbo | lef_: that depends upon if your mirror has migrated or not |
| 23:53.08 | tallison | billybar: Good question. I don't know |
| 23:53.10 | ethics | lef_ change satbe to sarge if you want sarge...testing = etch now when the updates come through |
| 23:53.15 | FieldySnuts | GangBanga4Money: do not msg me I don't know you. do it again and I'll ignore you. |
| 23:53.15 | \Igor\ | so, where's the party? |
| 23:53.17 | bucky | lef_, not as long as your sources.list say sarge |
| 23:53.19 | giupy | anyone that use doom3 ? |
| 23:53.20 | theorbtwo | lef_: Make sure your config files say what you mean. |
| 23:53.22 | lef_ | because I get 404 errors on apt-get update |
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| 23:53.35 | sean_micken | lef_: so did i.. change 'testing' to 'sarge' in your sources.list. |
| 23:53.35 | spoofer | giupy: yes |
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| 23:53.44 | lef_ | ok, thank you :-) |
| 23:53.46 | MobyTurbo | lef_: "sarge" should work everywhere |
| 23:53.55 | theorbtwo | If you want sarge, whatever it's status, say sarge. If you want testing, whatever it's name, say testing. |
| 23:53.56 | lef_ | yes, I had 'testing' |
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| 23:54.03 | giupy | spoofer, dow you know this error? Unknown command 'vid_restart' |
| 23:54.03 | giupy | idRenderSystem::Shutdown() |
| 23:54.03 | giupy | Sys_Error: Couldn't load default.cfg |
| 23:54.03 | mdh | \Igor\: your place. all of #debian will be there in fifteen minutes. start cleaning ;) |
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| 23:54.19 | theorbtwo | (I personally have one box on testing, and one on unstable.) |
| 23:54.25 | cafuego | Oh god. |
| 23:54.28 | \Igor\ | mdh: i'm temporarily relocating my appartment :-) |
| 23:54.31 | MobyTurbo | lef_: "testing" is now etch, but since etch doesn't exist quite yet perhaps you'd experience problems |
| 23:54.32 | metrix | do I need to change my sources.list to apt-get dist-upgrade to sarge? |
| 23:54.42 | bob2 | metrix: depends what it says now |
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| 23:54.50 | sean_micken | metrix: if you had 'testing' in there, yes. |
| 23:54.51 | cafuego | Farting after eating a HUGE amount of truffles |
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| 23:55.03 | spoofer | giupy: well I would say that your default.cfg file is missing... But I assume that you wanted another answer.. |
| 23:55.03 | bucky | metrix, does your sources.list say sarge ? |
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| 23:55.18 | kpanic | congrats people! sarge is out! yeaaaaaaah! :) |
| 23:55.19 | theorbtwo | Etch doesn't exist yet? I should think it would have been created with a cp-r at teh same time sarge was moved... |
| 23:55.29 | lef_ | yes, changing 'testing' to 'sarge' in my sources.list eliminated the errors. Do I need to make changes to any other files? |
| 23:55.29 | metrix | bob2 its says stable on everything now, but it is a secondary mirror. I run apt-get dist-upgrade and it doesn't update |
| 23:55.40 | metrix | bucky: it says stable |
| 23:55.41 | Cyis-at-Work | anyone used heartbeat or vrrpd to setup two servers for high-availability? |
| 23:55.43 | giupy | spoofer, i don't have a default.cfg file |
| 23:55.47 | bob2 | theorbtwo: I belive the plan is for everyone to go gte wasted first |
| 23:55.48 | Cyis-at-Work | trying to determine if one is better than the other |
| 23:55.49 | cafuego | theorbtwo: The release amanger goes on ho,iday after rsyncing sarge, no time for cp -a ;-) |
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| 23:55.56 | bucky | metrix, you've been running woody? |
| 23:56.02 | metrix | bucky: yes |
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| 23:56.20 | bob2 | metrix: maybe your mirror hasn't updated yet |
| 23:56.31 | Rickdangerous | dpkg RTFRS is Read the F**king RElease Notes. |
| 23:56.31 | dpkg | Rickdangerous: okay |
| 23:56.37 | MobyTurbo | if you want to be sure everything works, use "sarge", which will work regardless of your mirror's readiness, etc. |
| 23:56.49 | bob2 | theorbtwo: oh wait, etch does exist |
| 23:56.50 | spoofer | giupy: copy it from your windows installation ! |
| 23:56.53 | metrix | bob2: ahh ok. is there a list of updated mirrors? or should I just hit official debian mirror |
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| 23:57.06 | giupy | spoofer, oh ok thanks |
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| 23:57.14 | tallison | Could someone put this note about non-us in the IRC notes for today? |
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| 23:57.18 | bob2 | metrix: all top-level ones should be done (ie ftp.CC.debian.org) |
| 23:57.23 | cafuego | metrix: Just edit sources.lst to use 'sarge' instead of 'stable'. |
| 23:57.23 | abrotman | Rickdangerous: tha doesn't make sense |
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| 23:57.36 | abrotman | !rtfrs |
| 23:57.36 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | INSTALLING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | non-us is DEAD |
| 23:57.36 | dpkg | from memory, rtfrs is Read the F**king RElease Notes. |
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| 23:57.44 | abrotman | how does that acronym work ? |
| 23:57.45 | metrix | cafuego: will try bob2: I'll try that |
| 23:57.46 | spoofer | giupy: you'r welcome, by the way, does doom3 work better on your linux installation or on your windows one? |
| 23:57.58 | Rickdangerous | !RTFRS |
| 23:58.01 | theorbtwo | dpkg, no, RTFRS is Read the Fscking ReleaSe Notes |
| 23:58.01 | dpkg | okay, theorbtwo |
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| 23:58.05 | cafuego | !non-us is no longer with us. We're ALL us now *sigh* |
| 23:58.05 | dpkg | ...but non-us is already something else... |
| 23:58.14 | abrotman | how does tha towrk ? |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | it doesn't even make sense |
| 23:58.21 | cafuego | !no, non-us is no longer with us. We're ALL us now *sigh* |
| 23:58.24 | Rickdangerous | yes read the ducking releS notes |
| 23:58.26 | sdb__ | not RTFRN? |
| 23:58.30 | giupy | spoofer, i'll say you when i can use it on linux :) |
| 23:58.35 | Gnurdux | hey one thing |
| 23:58.39 | theorbtwo | No, abrotman, but I can at least correct the obvious typo. |
| 23:58.42 | sdb__ | Rickdangerous: my guess was you were using dvorak :) |
| 23:58.46 | Gnurdux | when will gnome 2.19 come to etch? |
| 23:58.51 | errorlevel | Non-us is dead? Is that purposeful? |
| 23:58.52 | joel_ | what do I type to make mplayer show the film on my second screen? |
| 23:58.57 | abrotman | Gnurdux: after gnome.org people make it |
| 23:58.58 | Solet-deb | cafuego: very nice :P |
| 23:58.59 | cafuego | errorlevel: Yes. |
| 23:59.02 | Rickdangerous | dpkg rtfrn is Read the Finest eElease Notes |
| 23:59.02 | dpkg | Rickdangerous: okay |
| 23:59.05 | Gnurdux | *2.10 |
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| 23:59.12 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 23:59.14 | spoofer | giupy: ;-) I should have thought about that ;-) |
| 23:59.14 | bob2 | Gnurdux: when eeryone sobers up |
| 23:59.15 | zl2tod | gotta love meaningful error messages |
| 23:59.16 | bucky | non-us is old news |
| 23:59.17 | magyar | ahoy |
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| 23:59.29 | shingouz | magyar: arrr |
| 23:59.34 | bob2 | Gnurdux: it's already packaged in experimental |
| 23:59.35 | abrotman | Rickdangerous: you can stop now .. i think we get it :) |
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| 23:59.44 | cafuego | "Subject: FW: Painted Sholcogirls fucekd by 3d mnestro" |
| 23:59.44 | errorlevel | bucky: Not for people that don't follow the happenings of debian. =) |
| 23:59.59 | bucky | or read debianplanet |
