| 00:00.02 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: asshats.. :) |
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| 00:00.10 | user01 | how does the debian home page determine what language you see it in? |
| 00:00.19 | user01 | does it take the info from the browser? |
| 00:00.28 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: i just figured you might have an easier time talking all this through in german, that is all |
| 00:00.29 | sun_ | hi i have email on a server at work and all i can do is ssh to it, no imap/pop//whatever. can i use fetchmail (it seems to demand an imap server even if its tunneling over ssh?) |
| 00:00.30 | xtension | user01 psycic power |
| 00:00.40 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, yes my english isnt very well :P |
| 00:00.47 | user01 | xtension: woa |
| 00:00.48 | ILF_ | fuck. just apt-get upgraded and apt-get dist-upgraded my sid, restartet x (new gnome, yay!) and my gnome-panels don't shart. how to get them running? |
| 00:00.52 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: it is a hell of a lot better than my german |
| 00:00.55 | coolball | sorry I am KDE now |
| 00:00.56 | reagent | OrionBerlin: ehrm, what did you do? you removed your kernel? |
| 00:01.06 | reagent | coolball: Hm ok |
| 00:01.06 | coolball | I can't use gnome for anything |
| 00:01.13 | TimeKilla | is there an online publication of all the debian compatible programs and applications available to search through categorically? |
| 00:01.16 | zumbi | user01, index.<lang>.html |
| 00:01.16 | OrionBerlin | reagent, yes my first compiled one :) now i compile it again and hope of no errors |
| 00:01.22 | bruce2005 | how can i search for the available kernels, what is the command |
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| 00:01.36 | OrionBerlin | bruce2005, open Synaptic and search for Kernel |
| 00:01.38 | xtension | TimeKilla all 100000000000000 of them ? |
| 00:01.39 | sun_ | bruce2005 apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 00:01.47 | coolball | it is cool I thought maybe there was a well known fix |
| 00:01.53 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: i hope you do the kernel with make-kpkg and instal with dpkg --install kernel-image-foo.bad.deb |
| 00:01.53 | ttick | TimeKilla: I think "aptitude" allows you to do that. |
| 00:01.54 | zumbi | bruce2005, apt-cache search kernel-sources kernel-image |
| 00:01.55 | TimeKilla | xtension... yeah all of them.. or at least a list of all the games and tools available? |
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| 00:01.59 | TimeKilla | thanx ttick |
| 00:02.04 | reagent | coolball: you could remove some config files and directories, but all gnome settings (and the settings of some gnome based programs) will be lost |
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| 00:02.17 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, i done the kernel with make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 00:02.17 | user01 | zumbi: yes i was wondering how it automatically selected the language of the browser |
| 00:02.22 | ttick | TimeKilla: I could be wrong though. :/ |
| 00:02.27 | TimeKilla | its cool. |
| 00:02.28 | reagent | OrionBerlin: Ah ok, so no problem for you right now? |
| 00:02.31 | cafuego | !find lsraid |
| 00:02.44 | TimeKilla | aptitude is a gui like program that does what apt-get does? |
| 00:02.49 | shingouz | bruce2005: dont you even make notes when you ask about stuff here? you have been told how to search for packages at least umpteen times already |
| 00:02.52 | user01 | zumbi: if it was using a javascript or something |
| 00:02.54 | xtension | TimeKilla this claims to have all of them http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 00:02.57 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lsraid' returned no results. |
| 00:02.58 | OrionBerlin | reagent, not at the moment ;) but maybe later need to do now the setting again |
| 00:02.58 | cafuego | TimeKilla: More like what dselect does. |
| 00:03.03 | ttick | TimeKilla: not gui, I think it's curses. |
| 00:03.07 | coolball | should I have a max res of 800x600 with the driver nv? |
| 00:03.14 | c01100011 | my question isn't directly on debian this time , but maybe someone can help me anyway. When using Window borders in gnome that have rounded corners, the corners aren't transparent but filled with white or black instead. any idea why ? |
| 00:03.15 | ILF_ | i just apt-get upgraded and apt-get dist-upgraded my sid, restartet x (new gnome, yay!) and my gnome-panels don't start. only got my desktop background and saved console windows from last time. how to get them running? |
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| 00:03.32 | reagent | coolball: depends on your monitor, but normally higher resolution is possible |
| 00:03.41 | TimeKilla | ok.. i'm so new to this.. without your guys help i would be a week behind where i already am (and i started using linux 36 hours ago) |
| 00:03.51 | jla | I have a few network filesystem mounts (smb and nfs) that I'd like near / like /media is for removable devices. Is there a common name to hang these under? (no mention in fhs) |
| 00:03.52 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: leave the initrd out, put the stuff you need to access the root filesystem statically into the kernel. bus, harddrive, (scsi/sata) and filesystem (ext2, ext3, whatever) |
| 00:04.01 | toonX | shingouz maybe all has something to do with this sarge (testing) i have :) |
| 00:04.04 | reagent | ILF_: coolball may have the same problem |
| 00:04.06 | zumbi | user01, i'm not sure what you are talking about, i have to click on language link at bottom page |
| 00:04.17 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, mhh dont know how buzt i will try my best then :P |
| 00:04.17 | shingouz | toonX: sarge is not testing anymore, it is stable |
| 00:04.24 | reagent | OrionBerlin: ok |
| 00:04.25 | ttick | TimeKilla: don't worry, there's always something to learn. I've been using linux since before the 1.0 kernel, and I still learn tons here. |
| 00:04.33 | ILF_ | reagent: fuck, doesn't sound good |
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| 00:04.47 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: you can do it but you do not have to do it, just use a debian kernel and you will be off and running in no time |
| 00:04.47 | toonX | shingouz i haven't done any dist-upgrade |
| 00:04.57 | reagent | coolball: do you have sid? |
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| 00:05.03 | shingouz | toonX: sarge is still stable |
| 00:05.10 | rdmnoa_nobody | I can't get my extra languages in my debian sarge system to work? |
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| 00:05.14 | toonX | shingouz ok |
| 00:05.17 | rdmnoa_nobody | could someone please help? |
| 00:05.22 | user01 | zumbi: i was wondering how it is that on a french browser it goes to the french language and on an english browser it goes to english page |
| 00:05.23 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, i know but i want a a kernel for my own specifiec PC and not a fully Kernel with all Stuff :P |
| 00:05.27 | c01100011 | what does dist-upgrade do vs just upgrade ? |
| 00:05.29 | shingouz | toonX: what does your sources.list say? woody, sarge, stable or testing? |
| 00:05.37 | reagent | rdmnoa_nobody: did you install the locales package |
| 00:05.43 | rdmnoa_nobody | I think so |
| 00:05.44 | reagent | c01100011: read the manpage, it's in there |
| 00:05.44 | user01 | zumbi: if its like a javascript thing |
| 00:05.50 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: not really necessary unless you have some real odd hardware there |
| 00:05.53 | reagent | rdmnoa_nobody: double-check it :) |
| 00:06.35 | rdmnoa_nobody | reagent: yes it's installed, along with several xfonts (including unicode) |
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| 00:06.43 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, i dont got odd hardware: MSI K7N2 Delta-L, amd athlon 2.4ghz, 512mb ram, Ati Radeon, Soudnblaster Audigy 1 |
| 00:06.46 | zumbi | user01, i have a spanish browser and it takes me to english, i might have some misconfiguration |
| 00:06.52 | coolball | i do not know what sid is |
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| 00:07.05 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: in that case be smart and use a debian kernel |
| 00:07.16 | reagent | coolball: what release of debian did you install? unstable? sarge? |
| 00:07.18 | toonX | shingouz uhm, i see the only testing i have is marillat, the other entryes .. nothing about testing |
| 00:07.18 | bucky | coolball, you don't want to know... install sarge |
| 00:07.24 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, mh :( i want bootsplash :) :P |
| 00:07.26 | ttick | jagerman: nice system. Is that watercooled? |
| 00:07.29 | coolball | its stable |
| 00:07.33 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: bah :) |
| 00:07.44 | user01 | zumbi: ok this interests me...maybe its the language of the OS then? |
| 00:07.45 | reagent | coolball: ok, it's not the same problem then |
| 00:07.47 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: too much work for nothing in my opinion |
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| 00:07.57 | jagerman | ttick: Yeah :) |
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| 00:08.07 | ttick | jagerman: sweet. |
| 00:08.09 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, or the small little penguin in the corner :( =D |
| 00:08.10 | zumbi | user01, i have it on es_ES |
| 00:08.11 | shingouz | toonX: so what does the file say then? sarge? woody? |
| 00:08.15 | reagent | rdmnoa_nobody: Ok, and where exactly do you want to have the languages? |
| 00:08.22 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: that is in the debian kernels afaik |
| 00:08.27 | toonX | shingouz sarge |
| 00:08.37 | user01 | woah sarge has officially released?! cool |
| 00:08.37 | shingouz | toonX: you are still on sarge |
| 00:08.38 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, mh but i cant see it when i boot :) |
| 00:08.41 | coolball | well thanks for helping i will check for gnome-panel and return (i guess) |
| 00:08.41 | xtension | OrionBerlin upgrde your kernel |
| 00:08.42 | rdmnoa_nobody | reagent: I want to be able to read Japanese webpages in mozilla |
| 00:08.48 | toonX | shingouz yep |
| 00:08.50 | shingouz | user01: damn, you have to be kidding |
| 00:08.50 | bruce2005 | i searched for the UML kernel by apt-cache search kernel-image, but didn't come across a uml one |
| 00:08.54 | xtension | OrionBerlin man lilo |
| 00:08.57 | rdmnoa_nobody | reagent: but I just reconfigured locales, I think it might fix it |
| 00:09.00 | user01 | oh im not supposed to tell anyone sorry |
| 00:09.06 | OrionBerlin | xtension, dont use lilo using grub :) |
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| 00:09.16 | xtension | man grub then |
| 00:09.18 | reagent | rdmnoa_nobody: ok, describe how the page looks like if the problem persists |
| 00:09.20 | TimeKilla | is there a gui i can run for selecting sources to automatically update my sources.list file? |
| 00:09.21 | cafuego | Which sarge md raid users here don't get error emails from their cron.daily about 'lsraid' ? |
| 00:09.24 | user01 | its exciting after 2 years :) |
| 00:09.27 | ILF_ | fuck, even a reboot didn't get anything. my gnome is b0rked after apt-get update! |
| 00:09.30 | user01 | or was it three... |
| 00:09.34 | ILF_ | not showing panels |
| 00:09.41 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: ah.. you jsut want the blingbling then.. in anycase, dont do a kernel on your own just yet, you could very well screw the system up |
| 00:09.42 | zumbi | bruce2005, you might have to search for kernel-patch-uml and kernel-sources |
| 00:09.44 | xtension | TimeKilla whats wrong with terminal ? |
| 00:09.58 | reagent | ILF_: Don't you see the panels at all or are they just empty? |
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| 00:10.02 | Belboz99 | Hey all |
| 00:10.08 | abarbaccia | anybody know how to make debian see my ide cdrom drive as a scsi cdrom drive |
| 00:10.15 | bruce2005 | zumbi: a kernel patch is the kernel itself right? |
| 00:10.18 | shingouz | toonX: you do not need to do any dist-upgrades or anything, just use it as you usually did |
| 00:10.20 | Belboz99 | how do I get a command prompt with boot CD? |
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| 00:10.27 | shingouz | bruce2005: no |
| 00:10.27 | zumbi | bruce2005, no, it's a patch |
| 00:10.29 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, okey then i will let it : |
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| 00:10.35 | ILF_ | reagent: don't see them at all |
| 00:10.46 | rdmnoa_nobody | reagent: no luck, in KDE Control Center I still get blocks for characters and in mozilla I get unicode\code blocks with letters and numbers in them |
| 00:11.00 | TimeKilla | xtension: i'm just learning linux.. but basically i only added 2 sources for updates. looks like i'm unable to retrieve from either at the moment. just wanted to add a couple more sources to the list. What program can I use to add the sources automatically by selecting them from a list. Or do i have to search the web for a server list and manually add the servers? |
| 00:11.04 | zumbi | bruce2005, you need to download a kernel-source and patch it, look README for details, and then compile the kernel |
| 00:11.11 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, but you know maybe how to get gnome 2.10? |
| 00:11.21 | xtension | TimeKilla apt-setup |
| 00:11.22 | toonX | shingouz got it :) |
| 00:11.25 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 00:11.31 | reagent | rdmnoa_nobody: and you checked the charset and the browser is using a font in which japanese glyphs are present? |
| 00:11.32 | shingouz | bruce2005: you have been trying to grok the kernel compiles for three days now and you *still* ask the same questions like is the patch the whole kernel. RTFM a few more times. try a dozen or so |
| 00:11.39 | toonX | shingouz that is , poorly i might add |
| 00:11.42 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: in time it will be in etch |
| 00:11.51 | zumbi | bruce2005, when you apted this, it goes under /usr/src |
| 00:11.53 | shingouz | toonX: huh? |
| 00:12.01 | Belboz99 | anyone know the command to enter at the boot prompt to get a command prompt? |
| 00:12.03 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, i hope so ;) |
| 00:12.05 | rdmnoa_nobody | reagent: I can't seem to get any japanese glyphs in KDE to show? |
| 00:12.30 | toonX | shingouz neverming , silly me :) |
| 00:12.31 | reagent | ILF_: is gnome-panel running? |
| 00:12.38 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: just sit on sarge for a while and learn, eventually you will move to etch. just relax and have fun, man :) |
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| 00:12.44 | shingouz | toonX: hehe |
| 00:12.49 | xtension | Belboz99 a command prompt before boot ? |
| 00:12.50 | ttick | rdmnoa_nobody: yeah, my firefox has the same problem. :/ Get those little boxes with 01023 and stuff in them :/ |
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| 00:13.14 | bruce2005 | zumbi: i could download a uml kernel from sourceforge and follow their instruction, would that be easier? |
| 00:13.22 | ttick | rdmnoa_nobody: prolly some wierd font problem. |
| 00:13.26 | ILF_ | reagent: nope. and starting it from shell gives me "bash: gnome-panel: command not found" |
| 00:13.35 | reagent | ILF_: aha |
| 00:13.42 | shingouz | bruce2005: do your homework, dont ask us to compile a uml kernel for you ffs |
| 00:13.46 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, i will :-) today in 16 hours i gonna go here in Berlin to a Linux Meeting Group :) i will see how it is there, there i can learn some stuff too |
| 00:13.46 | rdmnoa_nobody | reagent: I generated some locales in the dpkg-reconfigure, but do I need to reconfigure anything else? |
| 00:13.58 | ILF_ | reagent: but it was installed before. i just did an upgrade |
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| 00:14.03 | reagent | ILF_: So either the package with gnome-panel is missing or they removed the binary |
| 00:14.04 | zumbi | i don't think binaries are released, but it might be, but debian way is easy, i guess |
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| 00:14.07 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: how long have you been on linux so far? |
| 00:14.18 | zumbi | bruce2005, i don't think binaries are released, but it might be, but debian way is easy, i guess |
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| 00:14.27 | rdmnoa_nobody | ttick: I think so, but I haven't messed with languages before, I have installed practically all the x fonts I could for japanese\unicode |
| 00:14.31 | Auriga | shingouz: Just to update you. thank you for your help and taking the time to anwser my questions. It seems to be fixed now. |
| 00:14.40 | nbr | i have the java-package now, and i downloaded the sun bin, but i forget what to do with both of them. |
| 00:14.41 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, since Fedora Core 3 release but havent used linux since 5 month or so |
| 00:14.41 | shingouz | Auriga: what was it? |
| 00:14.44 | edison | Help i want to load printer module at startup how-to do that ? |
| 00:14.55 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, so its 8 month or so |
| 00:14.58 | xtension | nbr msg the bot |
| 00:15.02 | ILF_ | reagent: not installed due to unmet dependencies |
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| 00:15.08 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: and you jsut installed debian i think? |
| 00:15.09 | reagent | ILF_: Oh, here you go |
| 00:15.15 | ILF_ | which SUCKS |
| 00:15.15 | reagent | ILF_: I guess that's the problem |
| 00:15.26 | ILF_ | i din't wanna wait until tomorrows apt-get upgrade |
| 00:15.27 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, sure :) |
| 00:15.31 | ILF_ | *don't |
| 00:15.33 | Auriga | shingouz: To be honest, I couldnt tell you. What i did was played with nslookup, and my firewall. Took down all the interfaces brought them back up. Nothign seemed to work. so out of frustration i rebooted it one more time. And the issue went away. |
| 00:15.35 | reagent | ILF_: this is debian unstable, such things happen regularely... :) |
| 00:15.40 | xtension | ILF_ then fix it |
| 00:15.44 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: welcome to debian then. you'll love it |
| 00:15.45 | ILF_ | never heard of anything like this |
| 00:15.49 | ILF_ | xtension: how? :) |
| 00:16.00 | zumbi | bruce2005, i guess you can download it |
| 00:16.10 | shingouz | Auriga: ok. some voodoo and waving a dead chicken in that case |
| 00:16.10 | xtension | ILF_ dont run unstable donwgrade to stable |
| 00:16.27 | xtension | ILF_ your not up to it |
| 00:16.36 | row | xtension: do I need to add the service to inetd, for nfs to work? |
| 00:16.39 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, debian is nice tryed last time to install gentoo. all steps are easy but until kernel setup there i getting killed by the freaking kernel :P |
| 00:16.39 | Auriga | shingouz: I think its not my day. The video card in this box fried today also! I think its just.. one of those days. |
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| 00:16.56 | ILF_ | xtension: thanks for the fish. i'll check out ubuntu tomorrow |
| 00:17.00 | edison | Help eatch time i start the computer i have to modprobe printer manualy, how to do that automatiquely at startup with modules.conf ? |
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| 00:17.14 | xtension | row just start it at boot or so |
| 00:17.21 | ja | hi I'm a relative newbie using sarge, now that sarge has gone stable should I stick with testing or stick with sarge? |
| 00:17.28 | Auriga | shingouz: Thanks for yoru paitence, and thank you for trying to help me. Always appreciative of those who try to help even if they are stumped. Take care, and all the best. |
| 00:17.34 | khanman_ | sarge released finally eh? cool |
| 00:17.34 | shingouz | bruce2005: get the fucking source from debian with apt-get, install modules-assistant, use kernel-package and module-assitant, dpkg- i the resulting packages and you should be done. do it some other way and i will put you on ignore so fast your head will spin |
| 00:17.44 | nbr | abrotman, can you give me those instructions for the downloaded files again? |
| 00:17.45 | reagent | ILF_: ok.. have fun.. but such things will happen there too (it'll be even worse) if you are running the unstable tree |
| 00:17.49 | khanman_ | whats testing? etch? |
| 00:17.56 | reagent | khanman_: yes |
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| 00:18.03 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: here you do not need to compile anything unless you really really want to |
| 00:18.09 | ILF_ | reagent: any idea what to do? just wait till tomorrows apt-get update?? |
| 00:18.12 | shingouz | Auriga: np |
| 00:18.13 | khanman_ | blah...sarge had a much cooler sounding name :) |
| 00:18.16 | reagent | ilv |
| 00:18.24 | ILF_ | ilv? |
| 00:18.25 | reagent | ILF_: That's probably the best thing to do |
| 00:18.37 | reagent | ILF_: sorry, wrong keys :) |
| 00:18.38 | Auriga | Take care everyone best of luck with yoru issues! *Tosses cookes at all the helpers* |
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| 00:18.58 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, i know but some old packages (or i can say many? :) ) |
| 00:19.08 | ILF_ | reagent: that's exactly what i did _not_ want to hear |
| 00:19.10 | edison | Help eatch time i start the computer i have to modprobe printer manualy, how to do that at startup with modules.conf ? |
| 00:19.10 | abrotman | nbr: for java-package ? |
| 00:19.11 | ILF_ | ok, thx |
| 00:19.27 | reagent | ILF_: Of course you can try to track the problem... |
| 00:19.31 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: old packages on debian? naaaaahhh... sarge released yesterday so it is pretty fresh :) |
| 00:19.54 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, mh wait :P |
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| 00:20.14 | reagent | shingouz: Well... there are lots of old packages in sarge... |
| 00:20.21 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: besides if you really need the newer packages you can et them by pinning from testing. not that there are a lot newer packages anywhere at the moment |
| 00:20.31 | nbr | abrotman, yeah, i have everything, but i've since closed xchat and lost the instructions you gave me for the files. |
| 00:20.44 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, ehehe like gaim :P still 1.2.1 nw version is 1.30 ;) |
| 00:20.45 | shingouz | reagent: and you *need* the blingbling of the newer packages? |
| 00:20.58 | shingouz | hmm |
| 00:21.02 | abrotman | nbr: make-jpkg blah.bin |
| 00:21.08 | ILF_ | reagent: track it how? i've got a few libs/packages from 2.10 apt-get upgraded now and some old ones not updatet yet |
| 00:21.14 | abrotman | nbr: let me know when that's done |
| 00:21.24 | ILF_ | i think i will have to wait for the updated packages |
| 00:21.29 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, but i dont care about it really :) the most needed thing is "Get a running nice system" and when all run "Never touch a running system" |
| 00:21.42 | reagent | shingouz: in some cases yes |
| 00:21.46 | Belboz99 | Okay, I just can't find this anywhere |
| 00:21.52 | ILF_ | just that i've never seen an sources.list update twice in 24 hours |
| 00:21.54 | Belboz99 | I need to boot to the command prompt |
| 00:22.00 | Belboz99 | so I can VI lilo.conf |
| 00:22.06 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: sarge is stable that is for sure, etch will start to change pretty soon and sid is going to be hell |
| 00:22.13 | ethics | ILF_ OrionBerlin: the beauty of it is that if its in stable it works and does everything right....if its in testing you can install it and play with it....sometimes theres small issues with it but testing is normally working ...unstable is for the latest and greates....its what unbuntu came from but its for people who do know how to fix stuff manually if they need to.. |
| 00:22.17 | shingouz | reagent: as i said you can pin them |
| 00:22.20 | Belboz99 | I'll be using a boot CD |
| 00:22.27 | xtension | Belboz99 use a boot cd and mount the partition |
| 00:22.35 | xtension | Belboz99 yep |
| 00:22.38 | edison | help witch line i have to add in modules.conf to modprobe an module "alias /dev/usb/lp0 printer" does not work |
| 00:22.42 | Belboz99 | ah, mount the partition! |
| 00:22.47 | Belboz99 | now I remember! |
| 00:23.04 | ILF_ | ethics: but stable has exploits open for weeks before fixing |
| 00:23.06 | shingouz | edison: /etc/modules |
| 00:23.11 | guestish | unstable is and always has been unstable...its about as stable as fedora core on most days, though there are exceptions... |
| 00:23.14 | ILF_ | that's why people i know use unstable for servers |
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| 00:23.29 | xtension | Belboz99 then you get a shell and cd to /target |
| 00:23.30 | guestish | depends on the weather in quebec usually :) |
| 00:23.30 | ethics | ILF_: doubtfull |
| 00:23.38 | edison | shingouz, ? |
| 00:23.39 | OrionBerlin | ethics, i know, i tryed ubuntu one time. I dont like it dont know why. First my Radeon 9800 dont run there (strange problem there) and dont know i dont like much xorg :) thats why im keep on normal debian and making my own beautiful debian based system or how i can tell it :) |
| 00:23.46 | ILF_ | what is? exploits or unstable as server? |
| 00:23.47 | ethics | ILF: testing and unstable will but stable should get them very quickly |
| 00:23.47 | reagent | shingouz: where do I pin php5 or kde3.4 from? |
| 00:24.02 | shingouz | edison: wrong file, man |
| 00:24.04 | row | xtension: its debian portmap was only bound to local ip |
| 00:24.05 | xtension | reagent dotdeb |
| 00:24.07 | guestish | ILF_: unstable as a server? you crazy, boy? |
| 00:24.14 | xtension | row ok |
| 00:24.18 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, bah keep back with SID :P instaleld it one time and only had errors (ok my own failure "Experimental") :) |
| 00:24.23 | ILF_ | guestish: hey, not me. but some freaks i know. never broke |
| 00:24.31 | xtension | row on the client side ? |
| 00:24.41 | reagent | xtension: that's not part of debian |
| 00:24.46 | guestish | ILF_: they musta not updated frequently |
| 00:24.53 | shingouz | reagent: oh for fucks sake. the devel team has had its hands full of work trying to get sarge on the road and you bitch about KDE 298734928.93874597! |
| 00:24.58 | guestish | ILF_ 99% of the time its fine, its just that 1% =P |
| 00:25.00 | row | xtension: no server, but now getting a few probs but should be able to fix now I hope. |
| 00:25.03 | edison | shingouz, ok |
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| 00:25.12 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: Sid, not SID. sid as a name |
| 00:25.14 | reagent | shingouz: ehrm |
| 00:25.28 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, ah :P |
| 00:25.29 | ILF_ | guestish: they update daily. it's probably not many of them even have x :) |
| 00:25.34 | guestish | heh |
| 00:25.36 | ethics | OrionBerlin, yeah unbuntu is probably a good choice for the latest and greatest....but with that you get latest and greatest issues.........ie my mobo supported 100% out of box in ubuntu but on debian i had to amke a couple of changes....nothing hard tho but at least i know if something doesnt work as expected itll be a me thing not a distro issue |
| 00:25.36 | xtension | row so which file did you have to modify ? |
| 00:25.49 | nbr | abrotman, make is not a command (according to bash) |
| 00:25.58 | ILF_ | k, off to bed. i'm in fucking tears here. shit, my poor machine |
| 00:26.03 | abrotman | nbr: make-jpkg .. not make |
| 00:26.13 | row | xtension: I did dpk-reconfigure portmap, now I am getting this error: "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
| 00:26.16 | Belboz99 | xtension, how do I mount the hd at the boot prompt? |
| 00:26.22 | nbr | ah, it looks like there's a space, but there isn't. |
| 00:26.28 | abrotman | sorry |
| 00:26.28 | Belboz99 | don't I need another command? |
| 00:26.35 | xtension | Belboz99 mount a previous partition |
| 00:26.45 | OrionBerlin | ethics, ubuntu is really not bad. but there are almost only packages and all is fixed almost. Here when something dont work good i can try to fix it by my own and can learn much about it. I think ubuntu is more "Stable and ever work" :) |
| 00:26.55 | row | xtension, FIXED! |
| 00:26.59 | reagent | shingouz: the point is that it's just wrong to say that every package in debian unstable is up to date. That's just not true. I know the release took a huge amount of work and I know there are reasons those things are not in debian yet and I accept it, but it's not fair to say that everything is up to date. |
| 00:27.12 | abrotman | !de |
| 00:27.12 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 00:27.13 | Belboz99 | xtension, it's looking for a kernel image |
| 00:27.16 | nbr | abrotman, make-jpkg didn't work either. |
| 00:27.25 | empop | any idea when 3.1r0a ISO are gonna be out? |
| 00:27.29 | Belboz99 | I'm at the boot: prompt |
| 00:27.30 | abrotman | nbr: why not ? |
| 00:27.33 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, is there any plugin for X-Chat to put it into the taskbar? so it will run but dont showed in the WIndows Switcher? |
| 00:27.37 | shingouz | reagent: i didnt say everything was up to date. no distro can say that and be truthful for that matter |
| 00:27.37 | abrotman | empop: they are |
| 00:27.45 | sparr_ | I need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.12. A package doesnt exist, and most likely will not for a while. Can I build a kernel 'the debian way' without a debian kernel source package? |
| 00:27.49 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: no idea |
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| 00:28.04 | abrotman | is he using ubuntu ? |
| 00:28.04 | cafuego | There is no 2.6.12 kernel |
| 00:28.08 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, okey |
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| 00:28.11 | nbr | abrotman, said again that there is no command 'make-jpkg |
| 00:28.14 | sparr_ | cafuego: 2.6.12-preN, where N is >=3 |
| 00:28.16 | OrionBerlin | cafuego, there is a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 00:28.18 | shingouz | abrotman: who? |
| 00:28.18 | abrotman | nbr: did you install java-package ? |
| 00:28.19 | sparr_ | err |
| 00:28.20 | sparr_ | -rcN |
| 00:28.23 | cafuego | sparr_: That's a pre kernel. |
| 00:28.23 | abrotman | shingouz: berln |
| 00:28.24 | Belboz99 | xtension, how do I do this? |
| 00:28.26 | nbr | i did. |
| 00:28.32 | shingouz | debian sarge, abrotman |
| 00:28.33 | xtension | Belboz99 you have a prompt ? |
| 00:28.34 | raf256 | hi, is there some quite easy way of recompiling kdelibs, glibc, and perhaps other libs for my architecture (--march=k7) ? |
| 00:28.36 | cafuego | sparr_: Which is STILL a .11 with patches. |
| 00:28.38 | Belboz99 | xtension, I'm at boot: |
| 00:28.41 | abrotman | nbr: are you root ? or normal user ? |
| 00:28.43 | nbr | wait a sec, does it install itself after you fetch it, like most? |
| 00:28.44 | cafuego | OrionBerlin: No, there is not. |
| 00:28.46 | nbr | i'm root. |
| 00:28.48 | sparr_ | cafuego: yes, im aware of that. however, it is either 2.6.12-rcN or 2.6.8. a tough decision |
| 00:28.55 | abrotman | nbr: you can't be root :) |
| 00:28.56 | OrionBerlin | cafuego, well i get you the link wait |
| 00:29.01 | xtension | Belboz99 insert a boot cd and boot from it |
| 00:29.02 | cafuego | sparr_: Nothing wrong with 2.6.11.11 |
| 00:29.07 | Belboz99 | it's looking for a kernel image to boot |
| 00:29.13 | Belboz99 | that's what I did xtension |
| 00:29.14 | nbr | ah. |
| 00:29.18 | Belboz99 | and it says "boot:" |
| 00:29.21 | sparr_ | cafuego: the drivers for one of my ide (raid, actually) controllers is broken from 2.6.9 to 2.6.11 |
| 00:29.29 | cafuego | OrionBerlin: No, don't bother. |
| 00:29.36 | Belboz99 | none of the commands work from the boot prompt |
| 00:29.37 | empop | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.50 | empop | abrotman: not 3.1r0a |
| 00:29.53 | cafuego | sparr_: Is it ide raid or highpoint/promise software, which you shouldn't be using anyway? |
| 00:29.55 | Belboz99 | there is supposed to be a command that I enter first |
| 00:29.55 | abrotman | empop: oh .. maybe not done building yet . it's easy enough to change |
| 00:29.59 | abrotman | empop: which mirror ? |
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| 00:30.01 | xtension | Belboz99 no that s not correct you see the debian installer screen asking you to select a language |
| 00:30.11 | Belboz99 | no |
| 00:30.11 | empop | abrotman cdimage.debian.org |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:30.18 | Belboz99 | I have a boot: |
| 00:30.20 | sparr_ | cafuego: its a highpoint controller. im not using it's raid functionality, i just want to use it for extra ide channels |
| 00:30.27 | Belboz99 | you want me to press "enter" |
| 00:30.27 | kelan | if i'm running a 2.6 kernel, can i get remove the ipchains package? |
| 00:30.28 | Belboz99 | ? |
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| 00:30.30 | cafuego | sparr_: Ok, that's god :-) |
| 00:30.30 | emRick | my serial port is /dev/ttyS0 but what do I call my parallel (25 pin) port??? |
| 00:30.31 | xtension | Belboz99 change your bios to boot from cd |
| 00:30.35 | abrotman | Belboz99: or linux26 |
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| 00:30.43 | Belboz99 | because I used to do this all the time |
| 00:30.46 | abrotman | xtension: the net inst is waiting for his input |
| 00:30.46 | xtension | Belboz99 ah |
| 00:30.48 | Xinux | ok |
| 00:30.49 | kelan | make that: safely remove the ipchains package |
| 00:30.50 | Xinux | where can I find |
| 00:30.51 | xtension | Belboz99 press enter |
| 00:30.52 | Xinux | native linux games? |
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| 00:31.00 | Xinux | where can I find native linux games? |
| 00:31.00 | Belboz99 | and at boot: I used to enter something and it would give me a command prompt |
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| 00:31.03 | abrotman | Xinux: happypenguin.com |
| 00:31.06 | Belboz99 | it was like a safe mode |
| 00:31.07 | abrotman | !tell Xinux about repeat |
| 00:31.09 | xtension | Belboz99 <ENTER> |
| 00:31.09 | shingouz | so he got off the +q already |
| 00:31.09 | cafuego | Xinux: apt-cache search game |
| 00:31.10 | sparr_ | cafuego: on top of that im doing software RAID, but i need working controller drivers before i can get that working |
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| 00:31.32 | reagent | shingouz: I agree with you on the second statement, but you said 'old packages on debian? naaaaahhh... sarge released yesterday so it is pretty fresh :)' so no old packages in there :) |
| 00:31.37 | cafuego | sparr_: yeah. I have a few promise ones, but they all work fine, dunno about hpt. |
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| 00:31.43 | OrionBerlin | cafuego, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/linux-2.6.12-rc6.tar.bz2 |
| 00:31.43 | jharrison | how to dump packet data with tcpdump? |
| 00:31.50 | shingouz | reagent: pretty fresh is not 100% up to date |
| 00:31.52 | row | xtension: one quick question and then I am finished, whats the option to follow symlinks? |
| 00:31.58 | cafuego | OrionBerlin: That isn't a 2.6.12 kernel. Now shoo. |
| 00:32.04 | sparr_ | cafuego: hpt works fine except for this one chip, with these particular kernels. someone broke something in 2.6.9 and its fixed in 2.6.12-rc3 (or maybe rc4) |
| 00:32.05 | xtension | row eheh |
| 00:32.09 | raf256 | how should I get a package and manualy build+install it? |
| 00:32.17 | killaclipz | wow, ok this is timekilla here on my bitchx irc client. Is xbitchx more like windows MIRC .. just curious... |
| 00:32.17 | raf256 | with using custom C flags |
| 00:32.20 | pureone | tcpdump -vA |
| 00:32.25 | sparr_ | raf256: apt-get source packagename |
| 00:32.26 | row | xtension: its outside of the exported dir btw... |
| 00:32.26 | cafuego | sparr_: Well, they're up to rc6 (-git1) now |
| 00:32.27 | OrionBerlin | cafuego, that is one, but its testing Release Canedate not "stable" |
| 00:32.28 | TimeKilla | lol |
| 00:32.34 | xtension | row no go then |
| 00:32.40 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: that is vanilla source from kernel.org, not a debian kernel |
| 00:32.41 | resiak | killaclipz: The only IRC clients worth using are irssi-text and xchat |
| 00:32.47 | raf256 | sparr_: oki, and then...? how to pass in example --march=k7 CFLAG? |
| 00:32.49 | Belboz99 | okay extension, I mounted the previous installation |
| 00:32.54 | sparr_ | cafuego: i know. so, back to the original question... can i build a kernel the debian way without a debian source package? ill be working from the 2.6.11 tarball and the 2.6.12-rc6 patch |
| 00:32.56 | TimeKilla | xchat eh.. does it work within gnome? |
| 00:32.56 | row | xtension, k |
| 00:33.02 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, mhhh but that is still a kernel :P |
| 00:33.03 | xtension | row enjoy |
| 00:33.05 | shingouz | TimeKilla: yes |
| 00:33.06 | sparr_ | raf256: depends on the package, usually by editing the Makefile before compiling |
| 00:33.06 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 00:33.07 | cafuego | OrionBerlin: Thou Shalt Not Suggest People Run Non-Stable Kernels! |
| 00:33.09 | TimeKilla | gonna test now |
| 00:33.13 | killaclipz | thanx |
| 00:33.14 | killaclipz | lol |
| 00:33.18 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: once you compile it |
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| 00:33.36 | cafuego | sparr_: Yep, make-kpkg works fine on a kernel.org tarball. |
| 00:33.36 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, ye ;) but its testing "no need to test it" :) i think |
| 00:33.38 | raf256 | sparr_: does recompiling libkde for my athlon sound like a good idea, or like a good way to fuckup own system? |
| 00:33.42 | abrotman | raf256: use gentoo |
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| 00:33.56 | cafuego | sparr_: I do it for the mac mini, only 2.6.12-rc4 and up have support for its sound chip. |
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| 00:34.00 | abrotman | raf256: or use the packages debian provides |
| 00:34.02 | xtension | Belboz99 get have a shell && cd /target/etc/ |
| 00:34.02 | sparr_ | raf256: sounds like you need gentoo :) |
| 00:34.05 | raf256 | abrotman: well.. perhaps later, I would just like to star easy with recompile *some* parts of debian |
| 00:34.11 | sparr_ | cafuego: well then, wish me luck :) |
| 00:34.16 | abrotman | raf256: more than likely .. not worth the headache |
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| 00:34.23 | Belboz99 | xtension, I used to use Slackware, and there was a way to go straight from Boot: to a command prompt where you could VI the Lilo.conf in the event you loused it up |
| 00:34.27 | kyu | Hi (again!) Another stupid question, say i have x testing box, how can i change this into x unstable box? |
| 00:34.29 | raf256 | abrotman: also the education purposes |
| 00:34.32 | raf256 | but perhaps gentoo as well |
| 00:34.39 | xtension | Belboz99 thanks for the information |
| 00:34.39 | abrotman | !tell raf256 about apt-build |
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| 00:34.43 | Belboz99 | damnit, it still didn't work! |
| 00:34.48 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: i just did a 2.6.11.11 for my laptop about a couple of weeks ago and i am not about to compile another one anytime soon. all the patching i have to go through jsut to get it to work the way i like is too much :) |
| 00:34.49 | kyu | Can i do this just by eding sources.list and update/upgrading ? |
| 00:34.52 | prodope | is there still an unstable dist? |
| 00:34.57 | dippo | raf256: when you do, consider using apt-build |
| 00:34.58 | prodope | does it stay the same? |
| 00:34.58 | abrotman | kyu: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
| 00:34.59 | raf256 | abrotman: isnt apt-build totally outdate now? |
| 00:35.02 | Belboz99 | I really think I need to VI lilo.conf |
| 00:35.08 | abrotman | raf256: compared to what ? |
| 00:35.08 | cafuego | OrionBerlin: You may not have noticed it recently, but quite often -preX and -rcX kernels actually fail to build. |
| 00:35.13 | xtension | Belboz99 or reinstall ? |
| 00:35.13 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, hehe i understand |
| 00:35.16 | raf256 | abrotman: well, is this the best way?: |
| 00:35.29 | reagent | shingouz: That's true, but I'd not consider a software which has been out in a new major version for almost exactly a year now 'pretty fresh'. For whatever reasons that has not gone into debian |
| 00:35.34 | Belboz99 | all I need to do is VI lilo.conf |
| 00:35.34 | abrotman | raf256: i don't build packages unless i need a special option .. building for speed . is a waste of time |
| 00:35.38 | perry | abrotman, it's nbr, under a different name. |
| 00:35.39 | abrotman | Belboz99: why ? |
| 00:35.45 | abrotman | perry: you lie! |
| 00:35.49 | perry | abrotman, now i can't find the file. |
| 00:35.54 | OrionBerlin | cafuego, okey :) im not good in the kernel things but just wanted to show there is a 2.6.12 kernel my friend got it running on gentoo |
| 00:35.55 | Belboz99 | I just forgot to edit it before I rebooted after upgrading the kernel |
| 00:35.57 | abrotman | perry: the file ? |
| 00:36.13 | perry | the java bin file that i do make-jpkg to. |
| 00:36.15 | Belboz99 | someone on this channel told me I didn't have to |
| 00:36.24 | xtension | Belboz99 install it on another partition and mount your lilo.conf parttion on it |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | perry: you downloaded as root ? |
| 00:36.25 | cafuego | OrionBerlin: No that's my point, a 2.6.12 kernel would be a _stable_ release kernel. Which doesn't exist yet. |
| 00:36.28 | perry | yes. |
| 00:36.30 | raf256 | so, if I have debian sarge, there will be no new packages for it? what to I should switch for new soft? |
| 00:36.48 | perry | can i copy it? |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | perry: not in /root/ ? |
| 00:36.52 | OrionBerlin | cafuego, okey. =-) |
| 00:36.53 | shingouz | reagent: i am not going to start fingthing semantics here |
| 00:36.57 | abrotman | perry: from /root/ ... yes |
| 00:36.59 | cafuego | OrionBerlin: there is a 2.6.12 PRE pkernel, which is an altogether different matter. |
| 00:37.05 | Belboz99 | xtension, that's going to take a hell of a lot longer than VI'ing lilo.conf |
| 00:37.05 | shingouz | fighting. damn, i typo |
| 00:37.06 | reagent | shingouz: Ok, so we agree to disagree :) |
| 00:37.08 | jagerman | raf256: Try changing 'sarge' in /etc/apt/sources.list to 'testing' |
| 00:37.33 | iLLf8d | ls |
| 00:37.33 | iLLf8d | oops |
| 00:37.33 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 00:37.33 | xtension | Belboz99 hey , at least you learn something |
| 00:37.33 | Belboz99 | there should be a way I can get to the command prompt from the boot prompt |
| 00:37.33 | cafuego | iLLf8d: Password: |
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| 00:37.39 | abrotman | perry: find it ? |
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| 00:37.45 | Belboz99 | that idiot told me that apt-get would do it all for me |
| 00:37.46 | raf256 | root@lore:~# apt-get clean |
| 00:37.47 | raf256 | root@lore:~# apt-build install mc |
| 00:37.47 | raf256 | Sorry, can't find mc, is it already installed? |
| 00:37.47 | raf256 | (Remove it first, or try running 'apt-get clean') |
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| 00:38.00 | perry | abrotman, yeah, and also realized that i don't need to copy it to do this. |
| 00:38.04 | cafuego | Yay, auto-ignore strikes. |
| 00:38.06 | abrotman | perry: yay |
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| 00:38.11 | Error_X | When I try to install debian the installation stops at: Detecting ATAPI CD-ROM, etc... |
| 00:38.16 | iLLf8d | cafuego: Password: eatmyshorts |
| 00:38.20 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 00:38.23 | jarango | What do I need to play dts audio with mplayer ? I am using the marillat packages |
| 00:38.23 | perry | abrotman, hm, it cannot be found. |
| 00:38.29 | perry | abrotman, the command, that is. |
| 00:38.30 | paster | "raf256" at 193.25.0.24 pasted "apt-build" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/189 |
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| 00:38.36 | abrotman | perry: the advantage this was it that it should create the links etc that firefox/mozilla need to do java stuff |
| 00:38.37 | raf256 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/189 |
| 00:38.39 | abrotman | perry: which command ? |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | perry: /usr/bin/make-jpkg |
| 00:38.59 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:39.01 | raf256 | (ups sorry for double link) |
| 00:39.17 | resiak | raf256: dpkg -l mc # does it start with ii ? |
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| 00:39.30 | perry | abrotman, that's the one. |
| 00:39.36 | TimeKilla | what directory would my sources.list be in again? |
| 00:39.44 | raf256 | resiak: yes... ok Ill remove it then |
| 00:39.46 | ethics | jarango: time to read manual/webpage |
| 00:39.47 | abrotman | perry: are you root again ? :) |
| 00:39.48 | perry | is it make[space][hyphen]jpkg ? |
| 00:39.57 | perry | abrotman, nope, i'm perry. |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | perry: no .. make-jpkg .. all one word |
| 00:40.03 | caphuso | 50 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 48.8MB of archives. After unpacking 26.5MB disk space will be freed. |
| 00:40.07 | resiak | raf256: So the message told you exactly what to do? |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | perry: dpkg -L java-package | grep bin |
| 00:40.16 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | caphuso: for what ? |
| 00:40.18 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg |
| 00:40.20 | jetscreamer | no space |
| 00:40.22 | jetscreamer | or jpkg rather |
| 00:40.22 | TimeKilla | sources.list is found in what directory? |
| 00:40.24 | caphuso | abrotman: my current sid upgrade |
| 00:40.26 | raf256 | resiak: no, it mentioned "clear" not "remove" |
| 00:40.27 | abrotman | caphuso: ah ok |
| 00:40.35 | jetscreamer | TimeKilla: what part of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:40.35 | Xinux | Linux games own. |
| 00:40.36 | resiak | raf256: "(Remove it first, or try running 'apt-get clean')" |
| 00:40.38 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 00:40.40 | caphuso | it looks a bit weird. where do those 26.5MiB vanish to? |
| 00:40.41 | perry | it says java-package is not installed. |
| 00:40.48 | Xinux | Raise your hand if you like Tux-Racer. |
| 00:40.52 | perry | i downloaded it though, and they usually install themselves, right? |
| 00:40.56 | resiak | !tell Xinux -about polls |
| 00:40.56 | abrotman | perry: say what ? .. i thought you already installed it |
| 00:41.04 | abrotman | i thought he was muted ? |
| 00:41.06 | jetscreamer | install it |
| 00:41.09 | perry | abrotman, same here |
| 00:41.17 | abrotman | perry: apt-get install java-package :) |
| 00:41.18 | Xinux | owwww |
| 00:41.23 | paster | "raf256" at 193.25.0.24 pasted "apt-build 2" (40 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/190 |
| 00:41.25 | shingouz | i am also a bit surprised he can talk |
| 00:41.27 | Xinux | sussudio's army hurt me |
| 00:41.29 | jetscreamer | or it's not in the path? |
| 00:41.32 | jetscreamer | nah |
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| 00:41.41 | caphuso | well, it can't break in a way that can't be fixed, so let's find out... |
| 00:41.44 | perry | abrotman, i have to be root for that, right? |
| 00:41.45 | kyu | abrotman, Fair point, but assure you i know what i'm doing, i've just been over to bsd for a long time :) I've been a programmer for well, i almost don't want to think how many years i've wasted my life :/ |
| 00:41.45 | raf256 | resiak: indeed, sorry then. how about the new error? |
| 00:41.54 | jetscreamer | sudo |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | perry: yep .. you can su |
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| 00:42.00 | jetscreamer | fakeroot |
| 00:42.04 | kyu | Hehe. I can't seem to find documentation on it |
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| 00:42.08 | abrotman | kyu: but how long using debian ? |
| 00:42.15 | Error_X | I have a install problem. The installation stops at: Detecting ATAPI CD-ROM, etc... (Using netinstall cd) |
| 00:42.15 | resiak | raf256: Erm, testing security updates? |
| 00:42.19 | perry | ah, that's easier than restarting fluxbox. |
| 00:42.27 | Xinux | guys, when I get a new HDD, I will install debian |
| 00:42.29 | raf256 | resiak: yes that line seems useless |
| 00:42.33 | cmillard | Anyone know of a package to install a kernel (preferably 2.4.x) with 64GB support? |
| 00:42.34 | abrotman | perry: yes it is :) |
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| 00:42.38 | Revelation | :P |
| 00:42.46 | Revelation | Error_X :) |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | cmillard: i think they are all 4GB |
| 00:42.51 | resiak | raf256: And is indeed apparently the problem. |
| 00:42.55 | Error_X | Revelation: Hm? |
| 00:42.55 | cmillard | abrotman: That's what I'm finding :( |
| 00:42.55 | jetscreamer | abrotman: me too |
| 00:43.02 | raf256 | resiak: but it didnt helped, still: E: Unable to find a source package for mc |
| 00:43.03 | abrotman | cmillard: how much ram do you have ? |
| 00:43.05 | Revelation | Error_X: ,,, <-- Revelator :p |
| 00:43.06 | cmillard | 6gb |
| 00:43.07 | jetscreamer | cmillard: recompile |
| 00:43.10 | kyu | abrotman: I had it installed about 6 months ago, but then i had to jump back over to bsd and i'm giving it a spin. I'm a bleeding edge kinda guy. I've been using unices for years, but debian on and off for a year or so, i just have the memory of a goldfish |
| 00:43.12 | Error_X | Revelation: Ah =) Whats up? |
| 00:43.13 | abrotman | cmillard: oracle! |
| 00:43.25 | Error_X | Long time, no see :p |
| 00:43.26 | Revelation | Error_X: nothing much , im tired for the moment, and u ? |
| 00:43.27 | kyu | a rtfm link would suffice |
| 00:43.27 | xtension | raf256 add a deb-src to your sources.list |
| 00:43.30 | meppl | gute nacht - good night |
| 00:43.31 | abrotman | kyu: ok .. but if you break it .. don't cry |
| 00:43.32 | Revelation | Error_X : yeah,. |
| 00:43.32 | kyu | :) |
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| 00:43.44 | cmillard | jetscreamer: I'm not much of a debian junkie. Steps for that would be grab sources pcakage, use config in /boot/ and recompile? Or do I need to add patchsets ,etc. ? |
| 00:43.45 | raf256 | xtension: I have: deb-src ftp://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 00:43.45 | ethics | Xinux: no please install ubuntu or gentoo.....prefereably gentoo as it may take more time |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | kyu: change sources to unstable .. `apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade` |
| 00:44.01 | Error_X | Revelation: I'm trying to install debian on my new workstation, but the installation won't detect my cd-roms |
| 00:44.03 | Xinux | ethics: ? |
| 00:44.08 | kyu | dist-upgrade, thanks :) |
| 00:44.10 | Revelation | Error_X: ahh, i c |
| 00:44.11 | resiak | raf256: apt-get source mc # does that work? |
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| 00:44.20 | abrotman | kyu: but you must change /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:44.24 | kyu | This is going to be a nightmare on my connection :/ |
| 00:44.29 | kyu | abrotman, i already did |
| 00:44.33 | abrotman | kyu: 56k ? |
| 00:44.34 | FromOnHigh | Hello.. I'm trying to get my Centrino Intel AC'97 dial up modem to work under a clean install of Debian, but the default driver doesn't wish to intialize the modem (detects it, doesn't dial or detect a dial tone) and only a paid HSF Modem driver works. Any suggestions? |
| 00:44.35 | Xinux | kyu: what connection do you have? |
| 00:44.38 | OrionBerlin | Error_X, make a check with the md5 files :) maybe your idos are corrupted? |
| 00:44.40 | abrotman | perry: got it yet ? |
| 00:44.40 | staniel | hello |
| 00:44.42 | raf256 | resiak: yes, it is downloading the sources |
| 00:44.46 | jetscreamer | debian patches are alreadyi added to debian kernel sources cmillard so yes to the first... apt-cache search kernel-source, apt-get install, it gets put in /usr/src for your unpacking pleasure |
| 00:44.54 | perry | abrotman, 60% |
| 00:44.56 | resiak | FromOnHigh: apt-get install sl-modem-daemon |
| 00:45.02 | abrotman | perry: and you have broadband ? |
| 00:45.07 | cmillard | jetscreamer: That answers all my questions, got it from here; many thanks! |
| 00:45.11 | perry | well, it's 256k |
| 00:45.12 | kyu | Xinux, i live in a very remote part of scotland, so i'm on dialer, i'm used to hardcore downloading though, i swear i did gentoo on a 300mhz 56k a month or so ago, just leave it going :) |
| 00:45.13 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 00:45.14 | cafuego | FromOnHigh: apt-buy -i decent-pcmcia-modem |
| 00:45.17 | resiak | raf256: Then apt-build is doing something silly. |
| 00:45.18 | perry | not 3mbps |
| 00:45.27 | abrotman | kyu: that's just sick |
| 00:45.30 | raf256 | resiak: well I just apt-get install apt-build |
| 00:45.31 | FromOnHigh | Cafuego: Its Centrino. What can I do? |
| 00:45.33 | Xinux | kyu: heh, you have alot of patience :) |
| 00:45.34 | xtension | cafuego lol |
| 00:45.41 | perry | everything downloads at 30kb/s |
| 00:45.42 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to get linux to recognize a extended keyboarD? |
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| 00:45.44 | kyu | Indeeeeed. |
| 00:45.45 | cafuego | FromOnHigh: pcmcia card, decent modem. |
| 00:45.47 | staniel | Im tyring to set up IP Alaising so that I may use my router with only 1 eth card, to connect to my ISP (which the IP is assigned by DHCP), and also a private network |
| 00:45.47 | resiak | raf256: Right, and apt-build is doing something sick and twisted that I don't get. |
| 00:45.56 | abrotman | kyu: though . i ran debian/testing on 56k for a while |
| 00:45.59 | raf256 | resiak: who can help me then |
| 00:46.05 | FromOnHigh | Cafuego: Its what I have right now. Care to make any suggestions? |
| 00:46.06 | shingouz | kyu: FYI, xinux does not use debian so his advice may or may not be good |
| 00:46.07 | kyu | Xinux, Yeah, but it's not like i've nothing else to do than sit and watch it fly past the screen :) |
| 00:46.10 | staniel | I have been able to do this, but I am not able to get any computer behind my router onto the internet, it always loads up what is one the router |
| 00:46.13 | abrotman | staniel: i don't htink you can do that |
| 00:46.23 | kyu | I can be working on my other stations/server or err "working" my xbox :) |
| 00:46.29 | xtension | FromOnHigh there is a free HSF driver out there, get it |
| 00:46.31 | Xinux | shingouz: I wasn't even giving him advice, I was just talking to him. |
| 00:46.32 | TwistedEmotions | I really just want to get the buttons at the top of my keyboard (mainly + volume and - volume) buttons to work.. |
| 00:46.35 | Error_X | OrionBerlin: md5? |
| 00:46.36 | abrotman | !hsf |
| 00:46.36 | dpkg | hmm... hsf is the Conexant SoftModem. Need it to work on Linux/Debian? Try here: http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/ |
| 00:46.39 | cafuego | FromOnHigh: It's a centrino, so it'll lilely not work unless you buy that payware driver OR you write a free driver for yourself. |
| 00:46.41 | resiak | raf256: One of the other 805 people in here? |
| 00:46.42 | FromOnHigh | Xtension: I have it. Its limited to 14k |
| 00:46.42 | Error_X | OrionBerlin: idos? |
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| 00:47.10 | raf256 | resiak: I ment, is ther a mailing list or better a NEWS group for more "serious" (needing longer discussions) problems |
| 00:47.11 | xtension | FromOnHigh no i dont think so |
| 00:47.12 | abrotman | FromOnHigh: did you check the linmodem site ? |
| 00:47.14 | shingouz | Xinux: when you are here nothing seems to be 100% certain |
| 00:47.15 | OrionBerlin | Error_X, I mean Iso (Images) make a MD5 check or try with a Net-Install CD when you got a Router |
| 00:47.18 | resiak | raf256: debian-user ?> |
| 00:47.21 | abrotman | raf256: mailing lists |
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| 00:47.33 | Error_X | OrionBerlin: Well, the cd works on other computers |
| 00:47.40 | raf256 | no news list :/ ? or NEWS version of mail list |
| 00:47.41 | abrotman | i have a working winmodem |
| 00:47.46 | perry | abrotman, done. so now copy the file into the / directory of perry? |
| 00:47.48 | abrotman | cafuego: nice things eh ? |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | perry: you mean ~ ? |
| 00:47.54 | resiak | raf256: Not a clue. |
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| 00:48.00 | kyu | And one last question before i start rtfm'ing (although you can tell me to do so and i will): If i'm using defoma and i install some fonts, do i need dfontmgr or something to get apps to use them? |
| 00:48.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah. But yu still suck. |
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| 00:48.07 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? Extended keyboard? |
| 00:48.08 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i do ? |
| 00:48.09 | cafuego | abrotman: The xirxcoms? yeah, they're the BEST thing I ever got from dell. |
| 00:48.11 | OrionBerlin | Error_X, ah okey mh did you try to run the setup with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:48.12 | perry | abrotman, what does the tilde mean? |
| 00:48.13 | kyu | I'm used to fc |
| 00:48.16 | cafuego | abrotman: got 5 of 'em :-) |
| 00:48.17 | PMo6022 | I am trying to install Sarge on a low memory (32MB) laptop, and am having problems. The installer gets partway through the "Loading Components of Debian Installer" step, then the screen goes blank, and it tries to install the same module over and over. I've seen debian on 32MB systems before, so I know it can be done. Any ideas? |
| 00:48.17 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Of course. Bitch. |
| 00:48.18 | FromOnHigh | xtension: The free version of th emodem is. |
| 00:48.18 | Error_X | OrionBerlin: No |
| 00:48.18 | CygnusX1 | Is there anything between netinstall and the 14 CD set? Is disc 1 a more or less complete base system? |
| 00:48.19 | abrotman | cafuego: you lie .. Dell has no good stuff |
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| 00:48.23 | FromOnHigh | Abrotman: No. I will then, thank you |
| 00:48.26 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: get your g/f off the computer |
| 00:48.27 | Jeffreyf | Error x: is it an older pc you are trying to load it onto w/cd? |
| 00:48.31 | FromOnHigh | Cafuego: Care to rec. a PCMCIA modem? |
| 00:48.33 | OrionBerlin | Error_X, try press f2 or f3 when the bootmenu of grub (from the cd) shows up |
| 00:48.33 | abrotman | perry: echo ~ |
| 00:48.34 | CygnusX1 | tFrom which you can apt-get the rest of what is needed? |
| 00:48.35 | khedron | Has anybody had issues with their sound quality going crappy after install the new alsa in Unstable? |
| 00:48.36 | cafuego | abrotman: The laptops they came with sucked, but the xircoms rock. |
| 00:48.40 | Error_X | Jeffreyf: No, a newer |
| 00:48.41 | kyu | Cygnus, i'm using a single disk |
| 00:48.42 | abrotman | cafuego: heh |
| 00:48.48 | perry | i see. |
| 00:48.57 | CygnusX1 | kyu, disk 1 of the iso set? |
| 00:49.02 | kyu | Seems to have most packages on it, although it's trivial to install what you need over the net :) |
| 00:49.05 | cafuego | FromOnHigh: What size slot do you have? |
| 00:49.06 | abrotman | perry: ok .. you got the file .. and java-package ? |
| 00:49.10 | kyu | Yeah |
| 00:49.10 | scarynetworkguy | CygnusX1: The netinst *is* a complete base system. |
| 00:49.14 | xtension | FromOnHigh there a HSF modem driver which does work and is free, its on the net, so a lspci on your modem and google with iy |
| 00:49.15 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. |
| 00:49.15 | Jeffreyf | make sure that you are writing the cd at a speed at, or below the max of the cd-reader |
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| 00:49.34 | raf256 | poor guy |
| 00:49.34 | CygnusX1 | kyu, My first whack at Debian...so I want a little more of a saftety net of a 'full' CD, yet, not all 14 :-) |
| 00:49.45 | raf256 | ^sorry, wrong channel |
| 00:49.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:49.52 | CygnusX1 | scarynetworkguy, Does the netinstall have 2.6 kernels? |
| 00:49.56 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:50.05 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, thanks again for your help. im gonna go sleep now :) bye |
| 00:50.08 | perry | ah, i'm still su. |
| 00:50.09 | xtension | raf256 you have fun on the other channel ? |
| 00:50.15 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: Gute Nacht |
| 00:50.15 | abrotman | perry: get out of thyat!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:50.18 | raf256 | xtension: yes \o/ |
| 00:50.19 | FromOnHigh | xtension: Its this one, right? http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/downloads.php |
| 00:50.20 | scarynetworkguy | CygnusX1: Yeah. Read the boot help and all will be clear. |
| 00:50.21 | abrotman | !tell me about ep |
| 00:50.22 | FromOnHigh | And its free as in beer |
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| 00:50.24 | perry | abrotman, how? |
| 00:50.25 | OrionBerlin | CygnusX1, sure it does, press f3 when debian CD is bootet (Grub) and |
| 00:50.34 | kyu | Cygnus, i've just converted my lappy over fomr a bsd, found an old sarge (about 6 months or so) cd, installed it and took x, windowmaker etc off the cd and now i'm updating it to latest sid :) |
| 00:50.36 | abrotman | perry: exit |
| 00:50.37 | perry | abrotman, it was smart and aborted. that was close. |
| 00:50.40 | FromOnHigh | As in shareware |
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| 00:50.45 | abrotman | perry: yep . it does that |
| 00:50.47 | kyu | Really easy |
| 00:50.48 | kyu | :) |
| 00:51.02 | scarynetworkguy | CygnusX1: And truth be told I've always found the netinst to be easier than a CD install. |
| 00:51.03 | sparr_ | upgrading to kernel 2.6.12-rc6, wish me luck! |
| 00:51.05 | xtension | FromOnHigh nope its another one |
| 00:51.09 | FromOnHigh | Cafuego: Regular size PCMCIA. My wireless card works with it |
| 00:51.17 | FromOnHigh | Xtension: I've searched Google, nothing. |
| 00:51.18 | kyu | sparr_, good luck indeed. |
| 00:51.28 | cafuego | FromOnHigh: Ok, my modem/lan card needs two slots. |
| 00:51.31 | kyu | I would avoid rc's and anything with a .0 like the plague if i was you though :) |
| 00:51.44 | FromOnHigh | Cafuego: I only have one on this notebook |
| 00:51.51 | Bachus9000 | Has anyone used Gens? (or perhaps another genesis emulator?) |
| 00:51.54 | sparr_ | kyu: its either this or downgrade to 2.6.8 to get my hardware working :( |
| 00:51.57 | cafuego | FromOnHigh: Then my favourite one won't fit, eh. |
| 00:52.04 | CygnusX1 | Thank you all! |
| 00:52.07 | FromOnHigh | Bachus: Try zophar.net |
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| 00:52.08 | Dict_02x | cureless, hey |
| 00:52.09 | ethics | cafuego: do you think i should bother mentioning the speedstep centrino stuff? or just let it go hehe...itll promt stupid questions.... |
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| 00:52.19 | TimeKilla | hey guys, ok I just installed the Rampart clone called Castle-Combat. When I attempt to run it i get this ** Setting Video Mode ** Problem: No available video device And then a prompt again. I'm currently in a terminal window with gnome running... any thoughts? |
| 00:52.20 | Dict_02x | cureless, Im here again.... so... how do I make xmms play audio streams |
| 00:52.20 | abrotman | perry: got it going ? |
| 00:52.30 | perry | abrotman, java's unpacking and checksumming |
| 00:52.31 | kyu | sparr: Damn. @.6.8 has it's advantages though, i believe that the bootsplash thing which i had running on gentoo (which is uberly sexy) works with that version |
| 00:52.32 | FromOnHigh | Ethics, check here. http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/m5n-linux.html For speedstep |
| 00:52.37 | abrotman | perry: takes a bit of time |
| 00:52.47 | abrotman | perry: on my lappy .. took 5 minutes or so |
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| 00:53.08 | perry | abrotman, k, i'm going to walk and pick up my gf from work then. see you soon. |
| 00:53.09 | Belboz99 | okay guys |
| 00:53.17 | Belboz99 | I have Lilo.conf open |
| 00:53.18 | FromOnHigh | Cafuego: It would be nice for Debian to rec. certain supported hardware. Finding stuff that works with Linux is trial and error. |
| 00:53.21 | FromOnHigh | It can get expensive |
| 00:53.31 | Belboz99 | now I need to know why it doesn't work |
| 00:53.35 | cafuego | FromOnHigh: That's a flawed tactic. |
| 00:53.46 | SavannahLion | I'm having a lot of trouble getting my nVidia drivers to "stick". When I run the installer, I can startx. When I reboot, startx is broken. I did a diff of the XFree86 logs and the process stops at GLX. After I install the drivers, the screen shows that it's deleting my tls libraries (part of the nVidia package). That's my best guess to the problem since a --sanity check complains about it, but I don't know how to stop the boot pr |
| 00:53.47 | cafuego | FromOnHigh: You check what is supported first, THEN buy the hardware. |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | perry: walk ? |
| 00:53.52 | raf256 | ok I get apt-build working... how can I now pass to it flags to compile code that will run ONLY on athlon (or higher) but will use all optimization etc? |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | pick up ? |
| 00:53.52 | FieldySnuts | lilo.conf (case sensitive is important) |
| 00:54.00 | abrotman | LILO! |
| 00:54.04 | Belboz99 | the kernel panic message says that Root= is specified improperly |
| 00:54.16 | scarynetworkguy | FromOnHigh: You don't know how to run Google? |
| 00:54.17 | Belboz99 | but it looks fine to me |
| 00:54.22 | FromOnHigh | Cafuego: Where do I check what is supported? Informations seems to be truncated. |
| 00:54.30 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Belboz99 about initrd |
| 00:54.33 | cafuego | raf256: ALL optimisations ebnabled will mean your compiled apps will crash a lot and run slower. Do you understand why? |
| 00:54.44 | scarynetworkguy | Belboz99: Odds are that's it. |
| 00:54.47 | TwistedEmotions | cafuego: do I need to go through xserver config again to setup a non-standard keyboard? Like one with buttons at the top? |
| 00:55.02 | Belboz99 | initrd, I remember doing that |
| 00:55.02 | cafuego | FromOnHigh: Each kernel contains certain drivers, the hardware those drivers work with, is what is supported. |
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| 00:55.05 | Belboz99 | last year |
| 00:55.06 | raf256 | cafuego: no |
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| 00:55.17 | xtension | Belboz99 at the prompt type boot=/dev/hda or hdb or hdc etc |
| 00:55.19 | cafuego | raf256: Then you have _no_ business doing what you're trying to do. |
| 00:55.24 | FromOnHigh | Cafuego: I don't know where to go to check on driver support then. |
| 00:55.27 | raf256 | cafuego: I dont think you are right |
| 00:55.28 | ultraviolet16 | has sarge gone stable yet? |
| 00:55.29 | kyu | Well, leaving apt running now, thanks for the help folks |
| 00:55.32 | kyu | :) |
| 00:55.34 | scarynetworkguy | FromOnHigh: http://www.google.com |
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| 00:55.38 | cafuego | raf256: Gentoobies never are, that's fine. |
| 00:55.39 | FromOnHigh | Linux doesn't seem to advertise. |
| 00:55.39 | Scognito | hi all |
| 00:55.46 | FromOnHigh | ScaryNetworkGuy: Thats a poor answer. |
| 00:55.49 | raf256 | cafuego: I ment, I want to ALLOW gcc/gpp to use athlon-only stuff. I dont care if resulting binaries will not run in i586 |
| 00:56.02 | scarynetworkguy | FromOnHigh: What's poor about it? |
| 00:56.11 | FromOnHigh | ScaryNetworkGuy: I need to now what is supported before I buy anything. People usually bring up issues only with hardware they have already bought. |
| 00:56.14 | ethics | FromOnHigh, yeah thats some of the speedstep stuff.... |
| 00:56.16 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: lycos! |
| 00:56.18 | ultraviolet16 | hi everyone, do you know if sarge has gone stable yet? |
| 00:56.20 | cafuego | raf256: Your assumption it will result in a speed increase is flawed. |
| 00:56.25 | FromOnHigh | No one place to go and see "Well.. This and that printer is supported. I'll buy that one" |
| 00:56.27 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Lycos *is* the new Google. |
| 00:56.29 | abrotman | FromOnHigh: for a laptop ? ,.. that you haven't bought yet ? |
| 00:56.30 | FieldySnuts | !topicsmite ultraviolet16 |
| 00:56.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ultraviolet16. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:56.32 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: heh |
| 00:56.34 | cafuego | raf256: Just install libc6-686 and be done with it. |
| 00:56.37 | raf256 | cafuego: why? I bet gcc can use the extra registers |
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| 00:56.38 | ethics | FromOnHigh, please note that article was not recent.... |
| 00:56.46 | raf256 | cafuego: I already have it |
| 00:56.46 | Ick | why do i get a 404 for http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz ? |
| 00:56.52 | raf256 | Ick: me too |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | raf256: you're making way too much work for yourself |
| 00:56.58 | ethics | !tell ick about disec |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | Ick: change the source line from testing to sarge |
| 00:57.09 | FromOnHigh | Abrotman: For anything really. I was looking for decent printer support because I'm buying one soon, but its a confusing mash to find best supported types. |
| 00:57.13 | raf256 | abrotman: I like playing with linux |
| 00:57.19 | ultraviolet16 | O thanks! |
| 00:57.19 | scarynetworkguy | FromOnHigh: So they could check a list before buying something but can't google before buying something. |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | FromOnHigh: linuxprinting.org |
| 00:57.29 | cafuego | raf256: You're not gouingot win back the 15 minuntes you spend compiling by shaving a millisecond off the run-time. Especially for apps like KDE that sit waiting for user input for 99.9% of the time. |
| 00:57.31 | FieldySnuts | printer manufacturers typically aim at windows, a new printer working in linux is hit or miss |
| 00:57.50 | ethics | !tell raf256 about disec |
| 00:57.50 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i don't get printers either :) |
| 00:57.51 | FieldySnuts | scarynetworkguy: people are morons. |
| 00:57.54 | SavannahLion | So basically I've run out of ideas on how to resolve the botched install |
| 00:57.54 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: HP. Good printers and pretty much just work. |
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| 00:57.57 | FromOnHigh | Ethics: Check the discussions under Debian.org. That website is the closet anyone has come to documentation |
| 00:57.57 | raf256 | cafuego: well, then I want to learn it on my own experience |
| 00:57.57 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: That they are. |
| 00:57.59 | Scognito | hi, i mysql-server won't start anymore since the sarge upgrade...i got: |
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| 00:58.01 | Dict_02x | cureless, are you there!!!!! ping cureless ... |
| 00:58.02 | Scognito | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 00:58.02 | Scognito | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 00:58.02 | Scognito | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 00:58.03 | FromOnHigh | FieldySnuts: Oh shut up |
| 00:58.10 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah. True. |
| 00:58.10 | Saist | FieldySnuts : I've found HP printers are most likely to work out of the box |
| 00:58.10 | cafuego | raf256: Have fun. |
| 00:58.12 | raf256 | cafuego: for kdelibs I want to speedup loading times. I also will try to prelink'em |
| 00:58.12 | FieldySnuts | FromOnHigh: eat shit, kid. |
| 00:58.15 | TimeKilla | Just wondering: I've just installed Castle-Combat on this system and when i run it I get the following error: Problem: no available video device. Is this cause i'm in a terminal window through gnome? |
| 00:58.16 | raf256 | cafuego: ok \o/ |
| 00:58.19 | Scognito | mysql worked before upgrade |
| 00:58.23 | Scognito | any hint? |
| 00:58.33 | abrotman | TimeKilla: are you running it as root ? |
| 00:58.37 | Scognito | i didn't changed any mysql config file |
| 00:58.39 | TimeKilla | no |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | is it actually running ? |
| 00:58.43 | TimeKilla | i'm not runing it as root |
| 00:58.44 | FromOnHigh | FieldySnuts: I have to go out of my way to find hardware support for Linux? No wonder why it hasn't caught on. |
| 00:58.51 | Scognito | abrotman, no |
| 00:58.52 | xtension | Scognito start the mysql server |
| 00:58.52 | TimeKilla | No its not running as far as i can tell. |
| 00:58.55 | FieldySnuts | FromOnHigh: wah wah. whine at the manufacturers, it's not our fault. |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | Scognito: it's not runing .. and you wonder why ? |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | err why you can't connect |
| 00:59.11 | Dict_02x | how can I make xmms play audio streams from a Shoutcast server ?? |
| 00:59.12 | FromOnHigh | FieldySnuts: No.. But it affects you guys directly. |
| 00:59.16 | scarynetworkguy | FromOnHigh: You're the one who can't fucking spend 5 minutes doing a search before spending money on hardware. That pretty much proves FieldySnuts right. |
| 00:59.17 | Scognito | mysqld |
| 00:59.17 | Scognito | 050608 0:59:09 mysqld: Can't open file: 'host.MYI'. (errno: 142) |
| 00:59.18 | Scognito | 050608 0:59:09 Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not found (Errcode: 2) |
| 00:59.22 | abrotman | FromOnHigh: i already god damn told you where to look |
| 00:59.23 | Scognito | dunno what it means |
| 00:59.30 | shingouz | FromOnHigh: heard of google? |
| 00:59.34 | FieldySnuts | Scognito: please stop pasting so much, use a pastebin instead (google for them) |
| 00:59.40 | Belboz99 | okay, I've been googling and I'm lost |
| 00:59.41 | Scognito | FieldySnuts, ok sorry |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | Scognito: you might want to ask #mysql |
| 00:59.47 | ethics | FromOnHigh. sigh. ok but kernel org/ubuntoo/gentoo forums have more.....my advice....good luck running it mobile... |
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| 00:59.54 | Belboz99 | what is initrd and how do I use it to fix my problem? |
| 01:00.17 | Scognito | abrotman, i tought it was debian specific since it is broken since last update, but maybe i'm wrong |
| 01:00.18 | Ick | well that's hilarious. sarge has been released, and apt-get update && apt get upgrade has no changes in store. |
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| 01:00.36 | Stereo | Ick: change to etch :) |
| 01:00.42 | raf256 | !tell cafuego ignore |
| 01:00.42 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: No no we don't google anymore. Keep up with the times. :P |
| 01:00.45 | abrotman | Scognito: it probably is .. but i don't even know what those files are :) |
| 01:00.51 | TimeKilla | ok it works if i run it through the gnome menu and not through the command line. I expect thats how it was designed. but since it didn't have an X in the game name i assumed it was to be run from commandline. |
| 01:00.52 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: lycos! |
| 01:00.53 | TimeKilla | thanx guys. |
| 01:00.59 | Dict_02x | how can I make xmms play audio streams from a Shoutcast server ?? |
| 01:01.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Indeed. |
| 01:01.02 | raf256 | !tell cafuego about ignore |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: or . uhm .. kartoo!! |
| 01:01.12 | abrotman | kartoo!!! |
| 01:01.15 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Hehe. |
| 01:01.17 | Scognito | dunno if other people had my same problem since the upgrade |
| 01:01.22 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: have you seen it ? |
| 01:01.24 | scarynetworkguy | Does Yahoo! still do search stuff. |
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| 01:01.47 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i think |
| 01:01.55 | FromOnHigh | Ethics: I usually just shut down my mobile when I'm not using it, and then turn down the LCD when I am. Function keys still work. Poor workaround, ya, but the battery life is still decent. |
| 01:01.55 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: really .. kartoo.com is actually fun |
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| 01:02.07 | xtension | scarynetworkguy why dont we use google anymore ? |
| 01:02.18 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Ewwwwwwwwwwww. Flash. |
| 01:02.38 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/11/msg03735.html |
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| 01:02.43 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: but it's fun!!! |
| 01:02.45 | scarynetworkguy | xtension: lastlog FromOnHigh |
| 01:02.55 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Flash causes cancer. |
| 01:03.10 | FromOnHigh | Arse |
| 01:03.12 | figfig | I am trying to apt-get install fop, but it fails with the error message "Depends: libbatik-java (>= 1.5.1-1) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 01:03.15 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: oh . it's not that bad |
| 01:03.16 | Pumpkin_Pie | I thought there was a probram called 'crypt' that I can use instead of htpasswd ? |
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| 01:03.27 | abrotman | Pumpkin_Pie: there's a library i think |
| 01:03.29 | abrotman | or system call |
| 01:03.31 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah. I've seen that. |
| 01:03.36 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it's fun! |
| 01:03.43 | Scognito | ppl in #mysql seems sleepin' :D |
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| 01:04.00 | PMo6022 | Does anyone have experience with low memory installs? Everything I've read pretty much says that the installer detects low memory and will still work. I do have 32MB, which is the minimum according to the install docs. |
| 01:04.30 | FieldySnuts | yeah. have lots of swap. |
| 01:04.40 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54 #The only use of flash that doesn't cause cancer. |
| 01:04.54 | dondelelcaro | figfig: fop is in contrib, and requires java to be installed. apt-cache show libbatik-java |
| 01:04.55 | figfig | does anyone have any idea what would cause this error? |
| 01:04.56 | pipeline | PMo6022: If it doesn't work, boot the installer with "expert" or "expert26" at the "boot:" prompt and choose the "low memory" option under "download installer components" |
| 01:05.01 | jetscreamer | hmmm what was it... ahhhhh i remember now |
| 01:05.03 | ethics | PMo6022, i believe it has been installed using 12Mb ram.... |
| 01:05.09 | pipeline | PMo6022: However, with 32M of RAM, I don't think you'll have a problem |
| 01:05.43 | jetscreamer | scarynetworkguy: i'm behind a router, it's ok for me to use telnet, right? (i was told to ask you that for some reason, i have no interest in telnet though) |
| 01:05.43 | Saist | I've installed on 32megs. I can't imagine installing on 12meg |
| 01:05.43 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: heh |
| 01:05.50 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: no more beer |
| 01:05.58 | Saist | that would be like installing Windows on 256 megs... horribly slow and painful |
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| 01:06.12 | figfig | dondelelcaro: I have tried to install it and it will not, I can not tell why. |
| 01:06.27 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: Someone was trying to sell you down the river. :) |
| 01:06.39 | PMo6022 | Pipline: I've tried expert and expert26. The installer detects low memory, but fails while "loading components of debian" |
| 01:06.40 | FromOnHigh | http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/ |
| 01:06.44 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: No no it is not. Telnet *always* causes cancer. |
| 01:06.56 | jetscreamer | scarynetworkguy: so i've practiced for years |
| 01:06.56 | tyranix | haha |
| 01:07.10 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: Good lad. |
| 01:07.38 | shingouz | PMo6022: if things really get bad, try installing with woody and then dist-upgrade |
| 01:07.39 | Scognito | btw has someone debian sarge+mysql working? only to know if it only my problem |
| 01:07.53 | jetscreamer | i got hacked once a long time ago during the chinese hack war thing, and woke the f up |
| 01:08.03 | PMo6022 | shingouz: that is worth a try |
| 01:08.06 | Guerin | Scognito: worksforme |
| 01:08.20 | dondelelcaro | figfig: it won't install because you don't have j2re1.4 | j2re1.3 | java2-runtime installed. |
| 01:08.20 | Scognito | Guerin, upgraded today/yesterday ? |
| 01:08.20 | figfig | dondelelcare- oh, I see. It wants the java runtime. I have the runtime (packaged it myself), is there a way to tell fop to ignore that that particular package is not there? |
| 01:08.46 | Guerin | Scognito: yesterday. Been running perfectly since I upgraded from woody a month or so ago. |
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| 01:09.05 | dondelelcaro | figfig: better to install it the debian way. /msg dpkg java; (or using make-jpkg) |
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| 01:09.14 | Scognito | Guerin, can you send me your my.cnf so i can test with it? |
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| 01:09.20 | Scognito | maybe i miss something |
| 01:09.40 | dondelelcaro | s/make-jpkg/java-package/ |
| 01:09.45 | Guerin | Scognito: no. read your logs; see what specifically is not working |
| 01:09.56 | bruce2005 | i just installed the kernel source, i'm searchin for the uml patch by |
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| 01:10.02 | jvw | dondelelcaro: make-jpkg is the command, java-package the package |
| 01:10.03 | Scognito | i read them... |
| 01:10.09 | Scognito | nothing interesting |
| 01:10.15 | jasoncohen | lxer.com had a report that the sarge CD/DVDs included the wrong entry in sources.list for security sources. I believe it used testing rather than stable. Anyone know if that's true? |
| 01:10.19 | kelan | will they jump the version number for etch since they forgot this time? etch for 5.0! |
| 01:10.33 | jvw | jasoncohen: that's true, and will be fixed on new CD images |
| 01:10.34 | Dave[PB] | Hey guys... I just did a dist upgrade in unstable, and got gnome2.10 - the panels don't start though. What's with that? |
| 01:10.36 | bruce2005 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.38 | TimeKilla | hello again; Ok, I'm wondering if there is any type of service that allows games for linux that are made to work over a network, connect through the internet... any type of service that shows people currently trying to host a game or something? |
| 01:10.41 | jvw | jasoncohen: if you have old ones, just fix it manually |
| 01:10.56 | Guerin | jasoncohen: it's that there's a COMMENTED entry for security testing instead of an uncommented entry for security sarge |
| 01:10.58 | jvw | (as in, verify your /etc/apt/sources.list, which you should do anyway) |
| 01:10.58 | jasoncohen | jvw, yeah, i already installed my systems. I was just wondering |
| 01:11.00 | shingouz | bruce2005: modules-assistant. for the twelfth time. install it and use it |
| 01:11.00 | Scognito | Guerin, there isn't error there... |
| 01:11.02 | Guerin | jasoncohen: really no big deal |
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| 01:11.03 | ethics | !~tell jasoncohen about disec |
| 01:11.12 | Guerin | Scognito: then it's all working perfectly, obviously. |
| 01:11.27 | abrotman | Dave[PB]: so start them |
| 01:11.27 | Scognito | Guerin, it won't start i say |
| 01:11.31 | ethics | jasoncohen, its in the release notes also but hey everyone spams the channel for the answer so yeah you get that |
| 01:11.34 | Guerin | Scognito: why not? |
| 01:11.38 | Scognito | Tcp port: 3306 Unix socket: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
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| 01:11.46 | perry | abrotman, i think it hung up while i was gone. |
| 01:11.46 | jasoncohen | Guerin, yeah, i would have noticed immediately as the first thing I did after the 1st stage netboot installer was edit my sources.list file to add contrib, non-free and marillat |
| 01:11.50 | Scognito | this is the line of mysql.log |
| 01:11.54 | abrotman | perry: why do you say that ? |
| 01:11.56 | Dave[PB] | Well, I can't... can't get to gnome-run or anything |
| 01:12.07 | perry | it was stuck on a line. |
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| 01:12.15 | Scognito | but when i start it say "check mysql is running and if the sock exists" |
| 01:12.16 | abrotman | perry: what line ? |
| 01:12.18 | jasoncohen | ethics, um, i read the release notes last night. I didn't realize they would be changed that soon! |
| 01:12.25 | Scognito | server not running and no sock file created |
| 01:12.35 | TimeKilla | basically just wondering if there is a service or application that connects people for network games, for instance i can play castle combat over the lan, but don't have anyone to play with. Is there a service that will show me other people wanting to play/host a game, so i can connect to their system through the internet? |
| 01:12.39 | perry | abrotman, i don't know exactly, i closed the terminal. |
| 01:12.46 | Guerin | Scognito: this happens when you try to do what? Start it with init.d? |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | perry: that wasn't a good idea :) |
| 01:12.50 | perry | abrotman, can i try reinstalling? |
| 01:12.54 | abrotman | perry: yep .. |
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| 01:13.12 | Scognito | Guerin, start with init and start manually |
| 01:13.34 | bruce2005 | shangouz: how do i start up module-assistant |
| 01:13.36 | ethics | jasoncohen, it was in the original ones....the new ones changed with the 3.1a iso...hehe took out some of them......bob2 and i figured out the cd was doing it to everyone about 10 mins after the iso came out as the question was spammed at us....hehe thus the factoid |
| 01:13.45 | Guerin | Scognito: what specific line are you sytarting it with? |
| 01:13.48 | shingouz | !tell bruce2005 about nicktab |
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| 01:13.55 | dondelelcaro | jvw: ah... I only vaguely know about it, having never bothered with jva |
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| 01:13.58 | dondelelcaro | s/va/ava/ |
| 01:14.03 | Scognito | "/etc/init.d/mysql start" or "mysqld" |
| 01:14.15 | Dave[PB] | Ah. The upgrade buggered gnome. Nie |
| 01:14.17 | Dave[PB] | Nice |
| 01:14.18 | Guerin | ok. |
| 01:14.19 | ethics | shingouz, i could see you as a shan tho... |
| 01:14.31 | shingouz | bruce2005: RTFM on module-assistant. i have told you a shitload of times already. RTFMFM |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | Dave[PB]: you're using unstable .. breakage is implied |
| 01:14.35 | nse | so... |
| 01:14.35 | abrotman | don't whine |
| 01:14.47 | ethics | shingouz, shangouz.....past tense of you? |
| 01:14.47 | jasoncohen | ethics, i must have missed it then. I was primarily interested in the section on the upgrade process. I guess I should have read more closely. |
| 01:14.51 | kelan | rtfmfm? |
| 01:14.59 | Dave[PB] | Oh, ok, thanks, I needed a retarded comment there |
| 01:15.02 | shingouz | !lart ethics |
| 01:15.03 | shingouz | ;) |
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| 01:15.06 | scarynetworkguy | shingouz: So he should keep asking in IRC without putting any effort into it all? |
| 01:15.10 | Wyzard | Dave[PB]: Only if you did a dist-upgrade and didn't notice that it was going to remove some GNOME packages |
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| 01:15.20 | abrotman | Wyzard: did it ? |
| 01:15.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: and he's gone . i'm a right bastard! |
| 01:15.28 | ethics | jasoncohen, hehe it wouldnt have phased you....ten seconds after the question was asked 12 poeple said no security in testing... |
| 01:15.32 | scarynetworkguy | :blame Wyzard |
| 01:15.32 | shingouz | scarynetworkguy: i have a feeling that he spends most of the time drooling on the keyboard |
| 01:15.41 | scarynetworkguy | shingouz: Ya think? |
| 01:15.47 | Wyzard | abrotman: I noticed it when it was in the middle of uninstalling gnome-panel-data :-) |
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| 01:15.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh cute |
| 01:15.55 | shingouz | scarynetworkguy: yes. *i* think, he doesnt |
| 01:15.59 | bruce2005 | what is frtm, my question was how u start it, why bein so rude if u dont wanna answer then dont |
| 01:16.02 | Scognito | Guerin, any hint? |
| 01:16.05 | scarynetworkguy | shingouz: Heh. |
| 01:16.06 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:16.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:16.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: (fixage of that is why I was gone for about 15 minutes recently) |
| 01:16.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm sorry .. didn't notice ... probably eating :) |
| 01:16.33 | shingouz | bruce2005: i am rude because i have told you repeatedly how to do it. read the manual on the software you have there. read it now and use the knowledge |
| 01:16.36 | abrotman | Wyzard: i was actually at a client in malvern all day |
| 01:16.42 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:16.51 | kelan | bruce2005: module-assistant is a package. install it and read the manual |
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| 01:16.57 | remora | hi all |
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| 01:17.14 | bruce2005 | i did install it, how do i open module-assistant |
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| 01:17.25 | shingouz | bruce2005: man module-assistant |
| 01:17.33 | Guerin | Scognito: let me get this straight ... when you start mysqld, it appears to start normally, but when you try to connect to it with a client, it's not running? |
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| 01:17.50 | abrotman | Scognito: is it configured to listen over tcpip ? |
| 01:17.52 | Scognito | Guerin, no, the server won't start |
| 01:17.56 | remora | i am attemtping to d/l the net install for PPC ... are the servers currently getting hammered, cos my wget has stalled? |
| 01:17.58 | Scognito | abrotman, yes |
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| 01:18.07 | Scognito | and the skip_networking is commented |
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| 01:18.31 | Wyzard | remora: We don't have a server-hammerage-meter here, but it wouldn't be surprising |
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| 01:18.35 | abrotman | Scognito: ok .. if you telnet localhost 3306 .. can you connect? |
| 01:18.39 | Guerin | Scognito: does that sockfile exist? |
| 01:18.48 | monsoon | do lib packages pretty much only depend on other lib packages? never anything other than lib packages in other words? |
| 01:18.51 | emRick | is it possible to run a PDA off of the parallel port? |
| 01:19.08 | Ick | how can i completely purge my system of esound? |
| 01:19.10 | Wyzard | monsoon: Usually, but not always |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | monsoon: not always |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | Ick: man dpkg or man apt-get |
| 01:19.24 | Scognito | abrotman, no, connection refused since the server is not running |
| 01:19.24 | monsoon | hmm ok thanks |
| 01:19.26 | dvs | Will there be an announcement through the mailing list when 3.1r0a is available? |
| 01:19.32 | Scognito | Guerin, no it doesn't exists |
| 01:19.37 | Wyzard | dvs: I'd be quite surprised if there wasn't |
| 01:19.38 | remora | Wyzard: are there alternate PPC file mirrors |
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| 01:19.53 | Wyzard | remora: Yes, there's a list of mirrors on the website |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | dvs: maybe ... |
| 01:19.54 | Guerin | Scognito: i'm having trouble gleaning any information as to why it's not starting |
| 01:19.54 | Scognito | this is the error when i start it manually: |
| 01:20.00 | Scognito | 050608 1:18:51 mysqld: Can't open file: 'host.MYI'. (errno: 142) |
| 01:20.00 | Scognito | 050608 1:18:51 Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: File '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/?.conf' not found (Errcode: 2) |
| 01:20.06 | dvs | abrotman: Thanks :-% |
| 01:20.11 | abrotman | dvs: you might be able to ask #debian-boot .. or they might shoot you |
| 01:20.14 | remora | Wyzard: thanks, i'll try again 8-) |
| 01:20.18 | Guerin | Scognito: do those files exist? |
| 01:20.29 | dvs | abrotman: I'll take my chances. |
| 01:20.35 | FromOnHigh | Is there by chance a wiki, offical or unofficial FAQ that you guys point people to? |
| 01:20.41 | Guerin | !faq |
| 01:20.41 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:20.46 | abrotman | dvs: dont' forget to let us know ! :) |
| 01:20.54 | Guerin | !beer FromOnHigh for asking about the faq |
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| 01:21.14 | dvs | abrotman: OK. I'll just haunt the channel when I come back. |
| 01:21.14 | sparr_ | debian kernel packages have pretty much everything compiled as a module right? |
| 01:21.18 | Scognito | one is located here: /var/lib/mysql/mysql/host.MYI |
| 01:21.18 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:21.25 | pollywog | is there something wrong with Debian sarge since yesterday? |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | why ? |
| 01:21.36 | pollywog | or is it just me |
| 01:21.39 | abrotman | !vague |
| 01:21.39 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 01:21.54 | pollywog | because I updated it yesterday and got errors on all consoles |
| 01:21.55 | FromOnHigh | Thanks Guerin |
| 01:21.56 | Scognito | as the charset i cannot find ?.conf |
| 01:22.00 | TimeKilla | i just installed a game where would I typically find its config file? |
| 01:22.09 | Wyzard | pollywog: It was released yesterday, and that's a significant difference, but not something "wrong" |
| 01:22.10 | pollywog | and I reinstalled and get the same, but Xandros installed fine |
| 01:22.12 | abrotman | oh good .. errors |
| 01:22.12 | FromOnHigh | !beer Guerin for being a nice guy |
| 01:22.14 | abrotman | i like errors |
| 01:22.16 | shingouz | pollywog: could you be a bit more vague? |
| 01:22.25 | abrotman | but .. i usually DEFINE my errors when trying to get help |
| 01:22.52 | pngwn | FromOnHigh, if you had read the topic you wouldn't have had to ask ;) |
| 01:22.58 | pollywog | if there is nothing you folks know about then it must be my hardware is now incompatible |
| 01:23.12 | Wyzard | pollywog: No, hardware doesn't magically become incompatible overnight |
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| 01:23.13 | abrotman | pollywog: you're being vague .. we can't help you if you're vague |
| 01:23.14 | pollywog | they are some type of memory errors |
| 01:23.14 | dvs | pollywog: You must have "testing" specified in your sources.list right? |
| 01:23.16 | Guerin | Scognito: do those /usr/share/mysql/charsets/ files exist? |
| 01:23.22 | shingouz | pollywog: if you insist on being tha vague, please take off yout tinfoilhat so we can read your thoughts |
| 01:23.40 | Wyzard | pollywog: It would help if you'd say what the error messages *are*... otherwise nobody can help figure out what their cause is |
| 01:23.43 | pollywog | okay I will stop, I would be more specific if I would |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | !vaguesmite pollywog |
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| 01:23.47 | pollywog | could |
| 01:23.57 | Scognito | Guerin, they exists and they are 22 |
| 01:23.58 | abrotman | pollywog: you can't tell us any error messages ? |
| 01:24.03 | Guerin | FromOnHigh: you have no idea how many people piss and moan and whine when we tell them to read the faq ... for someone to actually WANT to read it is quite remarkable |
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| 01:24.06 | TimeKilla | where abouts are packages stored .. basically i'm trying to get an idea of where to find the config file for a game i just installed? |
| 01:24.19 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 01:24.23 | Guerin | Scognito: check the permissions on that dir - is it readable? |
| 01:24.25 | TimeKilla | thyanx a lot |
| 01:24.28 | cafuego | raf256: if you use the bot again to get around an ignore, the ops *will* remove you from the channel. |
| 01:24.39 | pollywog | you guys helped more than you know :) |
| 01:24.45 | xtension | TimeKilla dpkg -L pkgname |
| 01:24.47 | raf256 | cafuego: no shit |
| 01:25.00 | Scognito | yes it is readable for everyone |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | raf256: i don't think he saw you |
| 01:25.07 | monsoon | can i use jigdo on a windows machine to get all the deps recursivley for an app? |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | raf256: try it like this |
| 01:25.10 | raf256 | abrotman: I dont give a shit either |
| 01:25.23 | Guerin | the reason raf256 chose that nick is because if you add those numbers together you get his age |
| 01:25.24 | ecobit | dang. i don't see sfdisk in sarge. what to use to create partitions via a script? |
| 01:25.27 | abrotman | cafuego: where in .au are you ? |
| 01:25.33 | cafuego | abrotman: Melbourne |
| 01:25.38 | raf256 | Guerin: indeed |
| 01:25.43 | Wyzard | monsoon: jigdo is for downloading CD images... it knows nothing about package dependencies |
| 01:25.46 | abrotman | cafuego: i guess that's the biggest near you eh :) |
| 01:25.47 | pollywog | are we usually this contentious here? |
| 01:25.48 | Guerin | and if you subtract the last number from the sum of the first two, you get his mental age |
| 01:25.55 | Guerin | pollywog: usually moreso |
| 01:25.56 | cafuego | abrotman: biggest what? |
| 01:25.59 | pollywog | oic |
| 01:26.02 | shingouz | pollywog: you havent seen a sunday here |
| 01:26.03 | monsoon | oh I see ok thx Wyzard |
| 01:26.05 | abrotman | cafuego: uh .. town :) |
| 01:26.09 | bdl | hey - looking at the bittorent list for 3.1, anyone have an inkling as to what the 'businesscard' image is? I mean aside the obvious that it'll fit on one of those businesscard CDs |
| 01:26.14 | cafuego | abrotman: I live in the center of it. |
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| 01:26.28 | jetscreamer | bdl it doesn't have base, it d/l's it |
| 01:26.29 | dvs | bdl: Yup. That's what it is. |
| 01:26.29 | raf256 | Guerin: this is surprising, the level of arogant users in this channel is so high. Like "I KNOW, and I will ignore all call children *anyone* with different opinion, with no need to prove it" |
| 01:26.29 | abrotman | cafuego: melbourne or .au ? :) |
| 01:26.34 | Guerin | bdl: it's really small. It doesn't have base - just a kernel and some drivers and a minimal set of tools. |
| 01:26.36 | cafuego | abrotman: Melbourne ;-) |
| 01:26.38 | Wyzard | bdl: It's similar to the netinst, but doesn't contain the base system (it has to download that as well) so it's small enough to fit on a businesscard CD |
| 01:26.42 | jetscreamer | bdl the larger one has base |
| 01:26.44 | dvs | bdl: I thought the netinstall could fit on one too but I could be wrong. |
| 01:26.45 | pollywog | Does anyone happen to know if I can compile my own nvidia drivers for Xandros? |
| 01:26.52 | Guerin | raf256: oh, piss off. |
| 01:26.53 | shingouz | pollywog: no |
| 01:26.54 | Wyzard | bdl: I prefer businesscard over netinst |
| 01:26.57 | bdl | Guerin> ok, but it IS an installer, or a 'live CD'? |
| 01:26.58 | ecobit | parted doesn't seem to have a dump option |
| 01:27.07 | Wyzard | bdl: It's an installer |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | pollywog: xandros isn't debian |
| 01:27.10 | Guerin | bdl: installer. Debian doesn't release a livecd |
| 01:27.10 | jetscreamer | installer |
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| 01:27.16 | bdl | Wyzard> ah, just read that, thanks |
| 01:27.24 | pollywog | abrotman, right, but it is pretty close |
| 01:27.25 | jetscreamer | #kanotix for a nice livecd though |
| 01:27.31 | raf256 | Guerin: thank you for that mature response. "Piss off". You must be at least 17 yo! |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | still not debian |
| 01:27.41 | shingouz | !knoppixsmite pollywog |
| 01:27.41 | scarynetworkguy | !kanotix |
| 01:27.42 | dpkg | kanotix is, like, not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) |
| 01:27.42 | Wyzard | pollywog: It's "based on" Debian, but it has differences that we don't keep track of |
| 01:27.46 | send | what about ubundu? |
| 01:27.49 | abrotman | !xandros |
| 01:27.49 | dpkg | methinks xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 01:27.49 | c01100011_ | i think i am going through my first dependency hell, and may have made it worse , i upgraded debian to sid and lost gnome-panel and all has toumbled down from there, i have no clue what to do ? |
| 01:27.53 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 01:27.53 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. |
| 01:27.55 | ecobit | can i just dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=mbr then dd if=mbr bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/hda ? |
| 01:27.57 | abrotman | any others? |
| 01:28.00 | cafuego | send: #ubuntu will answer your questions. |
| 01:28.01 | Guerin | raf256: we're not arrogant, we're right. And you have demonstrated yourself to be a child on a hundred occasions. |
| 01:28.07 | shingouz | abrotman: heh |
| 01:28.13 | remora | wyzard: i was looking for an alternate mirror for netinstall/ppc ... the fiel structures seems a little verbose. what am i after using the bulgarian mirror? |
| 01:28.21 | Wyzard | c01100011_: Wait a day or two for the rest of the gnome libraries to be upgraded, so you can install gnome-panel again |
| 01:28.35 | raf256 | Guerin: "I *AM* RIGHT" <-- the ultimate argument. I agree then.. ;) |
| 01:28.38 | Wyzard | c01100011_: and in the future, check whether apt wants to remove important packages before you go ahead with an upgrade |
| 01:28.42 | c01100011_ | Wyzard , so i just shouldn't have updated |
| 01:28.54 | cafuego | raf256: Just in case you don't know WHY I ignored you: You asked for advice, were given advice by people who have sued Linux for over a decade, then insisted we were wrong. If you didn't want advice, you shouldn't have asked to begin with. |
| 01:28.56 | Guerin | doubleplusunwrong |
| 01:29.03 | shingouz | raf256: occasionally the person who claims to be right actually may be right |
| 01:29.05 | c01100011_ | Wyzard- how can i prevent doing this again in the future ? |
| 01:29.07 | jarango | where is the alsa conf file in debian ? I don't see an /etc/asound.conf in my system |
| 01:29.08 | emRick | is it possible to run an external hardware modem off of the parallel port? |
| 01:29.08 | jetscreamer | why can't there be a live cd that writes to itself (assuming r/w medium) |
| 01:29.11 | abrotman | cafuego: i've sued linux for two decades! |
| 01:29.16 | Scognito | ok im' going to bed...thank you for help |
| 01:29.17 | pollywog | sued? |
| 01:29.20 | remora | wyzard: disregard bulgaria, i'll try australia |
| 01:29.23 | tobias | c01100011_ do apt-get -s dist-upgrade first and check |
| 01:29.29 | Guerin | Scognito: good luck with that. |
| 01:29.29 | Wyzard | c01100011_: When you use dist-upgrade, look at apt's list of proposed changes, and see if it includes anything important that you don't want to lose |
| 01:29.48 | Scognito | Guerin, eh eh |
| 01:29.52 | raf256 | cafuego/Guerin: and no chance, that during this decade, sometimes you where wrong? |
| 01:29.57 | Scognito | i'll be back tomorrow ;) |
| 01:29.57 | Wyzard | c01100011_: If so, do a "plain" upgrade instead -- that'll hold back the packages whose new versions would cause the removals |
| 01:30.08 | cafuego | remora: ftp.au.debain.org, mirror.aarnet.edu.au - or your ISP may have a local mirror. |
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| 01:30.24 | abrotman | i wish comcast did |
| 01:30.26 | cafuego | remora: Yes, optus run their own mirror. |
| 01:30.30 | c01100011_ | Wyzard- so i should stick to upgrades unless i know what i am doing and know what is being removed ? |
| 01:30.36 | shingouz | raf256: let it be already, i am gettgin the feeling that a few of the people on the channel are getting a bit heated |
| 01:30.46 | cafuego | remora: I use "deb http://mirror.optusnet.com.au/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib" |
| 01:30.50 | pollywog | I hope I did not start it |
| 01:30.52 | Guerin | raf256: no. I'm fucking perfect and cafuego is the devourer of worlds; don't fuck with us. |
| 01:30.54 | Wyzard | c01100011_: I use dist-upgrade mostly, and "plain" upgrade only when dist-upgrade would remove something important |
| 01:30.57 | remora | k, but what is the package? binary or installer? |
| 01:30.59 | elkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.05 | cafuego | Guerin: haha :-) |
| 01:31.07 | Guerin | !:E |
| 01:31.07 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
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| 01:31.09 | remora | cafuego: thanks |
| 01:31.14 | shingouz | !beer Guerin |
| 01:31.21 | jarango | where is the alsa conf file in debian ? I don't see an /etc/asound.conf in my system |
| 01:31.30 | cthulfuego | remora: That gives me ~ 2MB/sec on my hosted box in brisvegas :-) |
| 01:31.36 | bdl | jarango> is there an /etc/alsa dir? |
| 01:31.47 | bdl | jarango> or a /usr/local/etc/alsa dir? |
| 01:31.51 | Wyzard | c01100011_: The relevant packages in this case, btw, are libgnomevfs2-0, libgnomevfs2-common, and libgnomevfs2-dev... if you can find copies of the previous versions of those packages, you could reinstall gnome-panel and friends |
| 01:32.05 | remora | cafuego: nice speed, i usually get 1.5 M + from pacific internet |
| 01:32.08 | Wyzard | c01100011_: There's a website somewhere that archives every version of every package in sid, but I don't remember the URL offhand |
| 01:32.21 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 01:32.21 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 01:32.34 | Wyzard | ah... I was thinking "archive", not "snapshot" |
| 01:32.39 | sparr_ | how far through a complete kernel compile is drivers/md/* ? |
| 01:32.47 | Guerin | archive.d.o is for old distros, but the principle is the same |
| 01:32.51 | c01100011_ | and friends, i think i lost all those when i removed some other package trying to fix what i broke, |
| 01:33.08 | Guerin | man, i just saw the stats on sarge on s.d.n - 1.2T of packages |
| 01:33.10 | raf256 | cafuego / Guerin: well, I seen report on mean sites (like ./ but not only) about speeding up of KDE libs. While using gcc 4... that means that optimizing can indeed give a speedup... or all thoes articles where made up. |
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| 01:33.29 | cthulfuego | remora: Pacific have been having issues in the not too distant past, so I stopped using their mirror. |
| 01:33.40 | nvz | Guerin: you mean for all 3 years of development :P |
| 01:33.42 | cthulfuego | remora: Mind you, you can always add more then one. |
| 01:33.44 | jarango | bdl: Yes, but there is no asound.conf inside it |
| 01:33.49 | Guerin | raf256: haven't read them; don't know. Never commented on it itfp. |
| 01:33.51 | shingouz | raf256: optimizing and fucking up are two different things |
| 01:33.52 | Guerin | nvz: yeah. |
| 01:33.53 | remora | true |
| 01:34.19 | Wyzard | c01100011_: You lost them because those three libraries got upgraded, and the current version of gnome-panel depends specifically on the previous version of libgnomevfs2-0 |
| 01:34.20 | cthulfuego | !dstats sarge |
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| 01:34.28 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 01:34.39 | Wyzard | c01100011_: Within a day or two, there should be an updated gnome-panel which uses the newer libgnomevfs2-0 so you'll be able to reinstall it |
| 01:34.40 | raf256 | shingouz: can optimization lead to fucking up? ...only if the compiler is broken? |
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| 01:35.03 | shingouz | raf256: yes it can if you just randomly hit all possible buttons and expect it to work |
| 01:35.10 | c01100011_ | Wyzard- maybe i will look for the old package, just as a lesson on what to do in the future to fix this if i screw up again |
| 01:35.26 | Wyzard | raf256: Technically, yes, but sometimes the compiler can be "broken" in subtle ways |
| 01:35.31 | Wyzard | raf256: It's uncommon, though |
| 01:35.58 | remora | cthulfuego: what am i after for a netinstall? binary or installer? sorry, i use gentoo, so this is a little foreign |
| 01:36.04 | cthulfuego | Also note 'gcc -fplacebo' |
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| 01:36.26 | RProgrammer | I can't find my X11's include .h files |
| 01:36.29 | cthulfuego | remora: netinst, that will fetch whatever it needs from the mirro as it's needed. |
| 01:36.39 | raf256 | shingouz: Im just planning to add the -march=k7 |
| 01:36.41 | Guerin | RProgrammer: have you installed x dev packages? |
| 01:36.42 | cthulfuego | remora: Ddi you install them? |
| 01:36.43 | mfrisch | I tried to use dump/restore when I booted it gave me bad superblock on / what did I do wrong? |
| 01:36.47 | cthulfuego | arrgh |
| 01:36.51 | RProgrammer | one sec |
| 01:36.56 | shingouz | raf256: you do so if you like, i do not care |
| 01:37.18 | cthulfuego | RProgrammer: xlibs-dev |
| 01:37.25 | raf256 | bah, people here realy have bad attitude |
| 01:37.30 | kaplanfx | Err http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US/contrib Packages |
| 01:37.31 | kaplanfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.35 | jarango | bdl: Yes, but there is no asound.conf inside it |
| 01:37.39 | cthulfuego | !non-us |
| 01:37.39 | dpkg | [non-us] where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 01:37.55 | shingouz | raf256: we begin to develop an attitude after a time listening to crap |
| 01:38.02 | perry | abrotman, it's finished. |
| 01:38.05 | RProgrammer | Wow, how simple, thanks |
| 01:38.07 | kaplanfx | cthulfuego: so just to be clear, what you are saying is that its gone? |
| 01:38.10 | Wyzard | RProgrammer: Library packages don't contain headers... each library package has an associated "-dev" package containing headers and static libraries |
| 01:38.13 | cthulfuego | kaplanfx: yep |
| 01:38.16 | kaplanfx | ok |
| 01:38.20 | kaplanfx | thanks |
| 01:38.25 | cthulfuego | kaplanfx: it is an ex-repository. |
| 01:38.34 | RProgrammer | Wyzard> ok, thanks |
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| 01:38.40 | kaplanfx | accordingly rather |
| 01:38.57 | abrotman | perry: you got a .deb file ? |
| 01:39.04 | raf256 | hmm so anyway, what is the option to add to apt-build install ed to use -march=k7? not minding if it will not work etc |
| 01:39.06 | remora | cthulfuego: no |
| 01:39.21 | cthulfuego | remora: Thatw as tab-completion gone wrong, just ignore it |
| 01:39.22 | Guerin | raf256: #gentoo |
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| 01:39.29 | kaplanfx | cthulfuego: what about Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/non-free Packages |
| 01:39.29 | kaplanfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.39 | abrotman | !depic |
| 01:39.42 | abrotman | noepe .. that's not it |
| 01:39.45 | Guerin | !rtfrn |
| 01:39.45 | dpkg | from memory, rtfrn is Read the "Fine" Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | kaplanfx: testing not there .. use sarge |
| 01:39.53 | stouset | kaplanfx: non-free doesn't exist any more |
| 01:39.54 | perry | abrotman, the last line said that permission was denied to create the .deb file/ |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | perry: are you serious ? |
| 01:40.03 | cthulfuego | kaplanfx: sarge isn't testing? ;-) |
| 01:40.05 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: Testing doesn't get security updates... the only reason it did up to yesterday is because testing was about to become a stable release |
| 01:40.07 | remora | cthulfuego: k |
| 01:40.09 | abrotman | perry: you sure it's not there ? |
| 01:40.12 | kaplanfx | cthulfuego: isn't it etch? |
| 01:40.17 | kaplanfx | that repository used to work |
| 01:40.19 | perry | abrotman, i'll check. |
| 01:40.24 | cthulfuego | kaplanfx: Yes, but etch has no security updates. |
| 01:40.29 | abrotman | perry: i'm about to just make it for you :) |
| 01:40.29 | kaplanfx | ok |
| 01:40.41 | kaplanfx | cthulfuego: it will exist again at some point, or it no longer exists? |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | kaplanfx: no security for etch |
| 01:40.56 | stouset | kaplanfx: It will exist about a month before Etch is released. |
| 01:40.57 | kaplanfx | ok ok |
| 01:41.00 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: It'll exist during the etch freeze, but not until then |
| 01:41.00 | kaplanfx | danke |
| 01:41.06 | Gumby | can anyone possibly tell me a quick way to find out which printer driver I am using? |
| 01:41.07 | cthulfuego | kaplanfx: It won't come back. Well, maybe in 2008, when Etch relerases. |
| 01:41.17 | abrotman | cthulfuego: 2009!! |
| 01:41.21 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: Aside from preparing for the transition to stable, testing never has security support |
| 01:41.24 | bdl | jarango> it's been literally years since I used Alsa, but if you take a look at this http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AlsaTips Im sure you'll figure it out - I believe you create one of the files with the `alsactl` app |
| 01:41.29 | stouset | abrotman: 2101 |
| 01:41.36 | raf256 | Guerin: they say it is offtopic there |
| 01:41.36 | c01100011_ | is there a good place to look for the status of packages , or should i just run update and upgrade ocasionally over the next few days ? |
| 01:41.41 | abrotman | 2010? etch oddesey ? |
| 01:41.42 | abrotman | err .. |
| 01:41.47 | cthulfuego | !etch pool = cafuego=2008, abrotman=2009 |
| 01:41.48 | FromOnHigh | In the year 2525, if Debian is still alive.. |
| 01:41.48 | abrotman | !spell check |
| 01:41.50 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 01:41.59 | Wyzard | c01100011_: If you're running sid, it's a good idea to upgrade every few days anyway |
| 01:42.07 | kelan | !wwer |
| 01:42.11 | Wyzard | c01100011_: The point of sid is that it's a moving target |
| 01:42.13 | kelan | hmm |
| 01:42.16 | send | !spell check |
| 01:42.17 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 01:42.24 | kaplanfx | its true, if you run a linear regression on the debian release schedule and project it out to the next release, its going to be a while |
| 01:42.25 | perry | abrotman, the file was created in the tmp directory but couldn't be copied to /root/ , because permission was denied. |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | perry: uhm .. why would it try to put it there ? |
| 01:42.47 | cthulfuego | kaplanfx: it will also contain 35,000 pckages and come on a portable HD ;-) |
| 01:42.48 | Wyzard | Someone should (I would, if I had time) graph time between releases vs. size (number of packages) in the release |
| 01:42.51 | abrotman | perry: oh .. because you typed make-jpkg /root/blah.bin ? |
| 01:42.55 | kaplanfx | WOOT, gcc 3.4 |
| 01:42.58 | c01100011_ | Wyzard- yeah, i don't even know why i decided to go sid, this isn't the computer i usually use, but it is much cooler downstairs and closer to the fridge |
| 01:43.07 | kaplanfx | cthulfuego: hehe, it'll be a solid state flash drive :) |
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| 01:43.24 | mfrisch | I tried to use dump/restore when I booted it gave me bad superblock on / what did I do wrong? |
| 01:43.26 | abrotman | cthulfuego: you're such a geek |
| 01:43.34 | Wyzard | c01100011_: sid is a good way to learn, though sometimes you're forced into learning things "by necessity", as you are today with GNOME |
| 01:43.39 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Better optimisations! |
| 01:43.40 | perry | i didn't type anything except for the filename. |
| 01:43.40 | kaplanfx | cthulfuego: how is it, any performance increase? |
| 01:43.42 | raf256 | so... anyone? how to pass CXXFLAGS to apt-build? |
| 01:43.44 | stouset | cthulfuego: Your iPenis must be huge. |
| 01:43.46 | stouset | !ipenis |
| 01:43.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipenis is what folks on IRC use to flout their egos. It's usually directly measured by the number of kernels compiled in one's lifetime. |
| 01:43.50 | cthulfuego | kaplanfx: No, just more compiler warnings |
| 01:43.52 | perry | abrotman, i didn't type anything except for the filename |
| 01:43.59 | Wyzard | c01100011_: I wouldn't know nearly as much about Debian and Linux in general if I hadn't been running sid full-time for the past 5 years |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | perry: but you were in /root/ or you copied the bin file to your directory ? |
| 01:44.07 | kaplanfx | cthulfuego: heh, sounds useful |
| 01:44.15 | Pumpkin_Pie | how do I encrypt text ? there was a tool that gave me the options like md5 or crypt etc ? |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | !gpg |
| 01:44.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 01:44.23 | shingouz | raf256: at least do us the courtesy of losing the anyone |
| 01:44.35 | kaplanfx | woot new version of amarok in sid too |
| 01:44.37 | Wyzard | Pumpkin_Pie: If you want MD5, use "md5sums"... but note that that's hashing, not encryption |
| 01:44.40 | kaplanfx | the floodgates have opened it seems |
| 01:44.40 | c01100011_ | Wyzard- Good to know, maybe i will play on the sid box a little more and try to break stuff, Thanks alot for your help |
| 01:44.41 | kaplanfx | :) |
| 01:44.43 | stouset | Anyone know what happened to the DWN issue for today? |
| 01:44.45 | Wyzard | Pumpkin_Pie: If you want to encrypt things, use GPG |
| 01:44.46 | perry | i was not root, but i was in the /root folder, when i executed the command. |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | perry: yeah .. i think that owuld do it . sorry ... |
| 01:45.08 | abrotman | perry: put the bin file in /tmp .. (assuming there's room) .. try again .. sorry |
| 01:45.11 | Pumpkin_Pie | Wyzard: I want to use crypt |
| 01:45.27 | kelan | anyone know if shingouz likes polls? |
| 01:45.29 | ysothoth | The crypt keeper? |
| 01:45.30 | kaplanfx | Get:47 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main gcc-4.0-base 4.0.0-9 [168kB] |
| 01:45.30 | Wyzard | Pumpkin_Pie: Are you aware that crypt offers nearly zero acutal security? |
| 01:45.32 | kaplanfx | leet |
| 01:45.36 | remora | cthulfuego: i live in se brissy suburbs, where you? |
| 01:45.38 | shingouz | kelan: want to find out? |
| 01:45.39 | kaplanfx | I think thats new for me |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: salt me!!! |
| 01:45.48 | kelan | shingouz: sure! |
| 01:45.51 | Guerin | raf256: man apt-build |
| 01:45.59 | abrotman | !tell raf256 about apt-build |
| 01:45.59 | shingouz | @lart kelan |
| 01:46.04 | kelan | heh |
| 01:46.08 | Guerin | raf256: if it's not clear, UTSL and file a bug against the manpage with a patch. |
| 01:46.11 | shingouz | kelan: does that answer your question? |
| 01:46.19 | abrotman | perry: sorry about that |
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| 01:46.23 | Guerin | raf256: if it's not implemented, implement it. |
| 01:46.33 | kaplanfx | yep Installed: (none) Candidate: 4.0.0-9 |
| 01:46.34 | kelan | shingouz: not really. whats a clue-by-4? |
| 01:46.38 | kelan | :) |
| 01:46.50 | Wyzard | Pumpkin_Pie: If you want to encrypt things with actual security, use GPG |
| 01:46.51 | black13 | debian is said to be self hosting ... what does that mean? |
| 01:46.51 | shingouz | kelan: :) |
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| 01:47.07 | raf256 | Guerin: thnx |
| 01:47.08 | Wyzard | black13: Not much... just that the software it contains can be compiled with the compilers it contains |
| 01:47.10 | Guerin | black13: context? |
| 01:47.11 | FromOnHigh | Wyzard: Is there filesystem support for GPG in debian? |
| 01:47.16 | Wyzard | black13: Most OSes are self-hosting |
| 01:47.24 | Wyzard | FromOnHigh: Filesystem support? |
| 01:47.37 | FromOnHigh | Wyzard: Encrypt whole patitions? |
| 01:47.47 | mfrisch | FromOnHigh cryptsetup does |
| 01:47.52 | Wyzard | FromOnHigh: Oh... use dm-crypt or loop-aes for that |
| 01:47.56 | Wyzard | FromOnHigh: GPG is a command-line app |
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| 01:48.03 | abrotman | FromOnHigh: have you even tried google ? |
| 01:48.12 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Lycos!! |
| 01:48.18 | perry | abrotman, about to execute the command again, from the tmp dir. wish me luck. hah. |
| 01:48.23 | black13 | Wyzard, so there isnt a system where it can recreate itself |
| 01:48.24 | FromOnHigh | Abrotman: Yes. Figured I would ask it since it was brought up. |
| 01:48.25 | stouset | abrotman: How do I find Google? :-( |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | perry: sorry about last time |
| 01:48.40 | FromOnHigh | Stouset: Jump off a cliff |
| 01:48.43 | FromOnHigh | Or some raised platform |
| 01:48.43 | scarynetworkguy | stouset: Search for it on Lycos. |
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| 01:48.59 | Wyzard | black13: Well, that's the idea... you could download all the Debian source packages and recompile all of them using only the tools (GCC, etc.) provided by Debian |
| 01:49.01 | stouset | scarynetworkguy: Gotcha, thanks ;) |
| 01:49.04 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: sorry |
| 01:49.08 | Wyzard | black13: I can't think of any reason why anyone would want to, though. |
| 01:49.17 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: stouset Heh. |
| 01:49.21 | remora | for info: http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/ => You don't have permission to access /debian/ on this server. |
| 01:49.25 | remora | Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-15 Server at ftp.hk.debian.org Port 80 |
| 01:49.36 | black13 | Wyzard, you know there is the softare and there is the infracstruction understand? |
| 01:49.42 | Guerin | !ubuntu is also see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 01:49.43 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 01:49.47 | jarango | What is the "build directory" on 2.6 kernels ? |
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| 01:50.00 | stouset | jarango: Huh? |
| 01:50.02 | Wyzard | black13: Do you mean infrastructure? |
| 01:50.12 | black13 | Wyzard, lfs has all the software but no infrastructure |
| 01:50.13 | guestish | probably lost in translation |
| 01:50.24 | guestish | black13: you mean packaging? |
| 01:50.29 | Wyzard | black13: Yep... infrastructure is why I like Debian :-) |
| 01:50.38 | Wyzard | black13: That's not really related to being self-hosting though |
| 01:50.48 | kelan | jarango: are you using a kernel source package? if so, its probably /usr/src/<kernel-version> |
| 01:50.58 | guestish | oh, that.... |
| 01:50.59 | jarango | stouset: to compile the latest alsa drivers I must specify the "build directory" |
| 01:51.11 | Wyzard | black13: When I say you can recompile all the packages in Debian, I don't mean "by hand" like LFS does... you can do that too, of course, but I mean using the package-building tools |
| 01:51.11 | black13 | Wyzard, i like debian and gentoo ... |
| 01:51.25 | jarango | kelan: its not the kernel source tree |
| 01:51.31 | jarango | kelan: its something else |
| 01:52.00 | kelan | jarango: why are you trying to build alsa modules? don't the stock kernel modules work? |
| 01:52.15 | jarango | kelan: On 2.6 kernels, the build directory has to be given via |
| 01:52.15 | jarango | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.16 | dvs | How do I egrep for the ESC symbol? |
| 01:52.22 | Pumpkin_Pie | there was a tool to help me encrypt strings but I dont remember what its called |
| 01:52.28 | Pumpkin_Pie | on came defaultly on debian |
| 01:52.35 | black13 | Wyzard, i tried talking to some of the debian "guys" and they gave me cold shoulder |
| 01:52.37 | Guerin | Pumpkin_Pie: REV |
| 01:52.38 | jarango | kelan: I have an issue with the drivers so I need the lastest |
| 01:52.39 | Guerin | rev |
| 01:52.51 | Wyzard | black13: I tried LFS once, hoping to learn all sorts of great mysteries that I thought were hidden from me by Debian's package system, but what I learned is that nearly everything uses the "configure; make; make install" manta, and it gets pretty tedious doing a repetitive job that's better suited to software automation. |
| 01:53.03 | remora | why does there seems to be only one netinstall .iso for PPC? |
| 01:53.05 | Wyzard | black13: so I discontinued using LFS and continued using Debian |
| 01:53.08 | scarynetworkguy | black13: Shower a bit more often and that won't happen. |
| 01:53.23 | Guerin | remora: because there's only one netinstall iso for any arch? |
| 01:53.24 | Wyzard | black13: "debian guys" ? |
| 01:53.29 | silverton | yes |
| 01:53.30 | silverton | ? |
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| 01:53.32 | treyh0 | how/why does debian choose its default for tasks/servers -- such as exim or uw-imap? is there a mailing list that talks about that stuff? |
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| 01:53.42 | kelan | jarango: well the kernel gets built *in* the source tree, so i would think that is the build directory. what else would it be? |
| 01:53.43 | Pumpkin_Pie | it wasn't rev |
| 01:53.55 | black13 | i tried containg some of the package managers and i was told to take a hike "newbie" |
| 01:54.00 | sparr_ | Is there any way to tell what not-compiled-as-modules kernel features i am utilizing? I want to trim down my kernel. I know i need to compile in everything shown on lsmod right now, but what ELSE do i need? |
| 01:54.26 | stouset | sparr_: Are you *absolutely* sure you want to compile a kernel? |
| 01:54.26 | kelan | jarango: you can also just install the kernel-header package for your kernel version and use that as the build directory. it just wants the headers |
| 01:54.27 | black13 | however i have found that people in this forum have been very patient |
| 01:54.29 | remora | sorry, where is there only one location for said file? sweden => getting hammered |
| 01:54.31 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: put it on the official mirrors, then i'll be taunted |
| 01:54.34 | Wyzard | black13: If you were asking maintainers for basic technical support, I'm not surprised |
| 01:54.36 | remora | why* |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | perry: better? |
| 01:54.42 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Point. :) |
| 01:55.12 | kelan | sparr_: why do you need to trim your kernel? |
| 01:55.16 | jarango | kelan: Its says very clearly I need full source |
| 01:55.22 | perry | abrotman, still doing its thing. |
| 01:55.24 | black13 | Wyzard, yeah that was what i got ... bygones |
| 01:55.26 | sparr_ | kelan: id like to speed up boot time a little |
| 01:55.32 | Wyzard | black13: The open-source community is basically a meritocracy... you're respected if you show intelligence and do useful things, and not respected if you do nothing but pester people with questions |
| 01:55.36 | sparr_ | stouset: well, i have to compile one anyways, might as well make it a good one :) |
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| 01:55.41 | remora | sigh ... found one, sorry |
| 01:55.49 | Guerin | remora: image.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/powerpc/iso-cd/ ? |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | perry: use this as a reason to have your gf buy you a faster machine@! |
| 01:55.59 | Wyzard | black13: In #debian, newbies are expected, but if you go bugging maintainers directly you're just wasting their time |
| 01:56.00 | remora | yes |
| 01:56.07 | Guerin | put a http://cd in front of that link |
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| 01:56.17 | kelan | jarango: okay, you can use the full source. just install a kernel-source package and use the source tree directory |
| 01:56.17 | remora | yes thanks |
| 01:56.44 | Wyzard | black13: If you were to find a bug and file an informative bug report, on the other hand, you'd get a reasonable response |
| 01:56.46 | black13 | Wyzard, eh bygones ... |
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| 01:56.56 | jarango | kelan: Can I post you something ? |
| 01:57.03 | remora | and after all that ... can now get it from sweden |
| 01:57.20 | FromOnHigh | Wyzard: Has anyone from #debian ever been rec. to a maintainer? |
| 01:57.27 | FromOnHigh | That would be the stuff of legends, I'd say. |
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| 01:57.31 | abrotman | rec ? |
| 01:57.32 | kelan | jarango: sure, use pastebin.com |
| 01:57.37 | abrotman | recieved ? |
| 01:57.40 | abrotman | recorded ? |
| 01:57.44 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Lycos!! |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | recommended ? |
| 01:57.46 | shingouz | recommended |
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| 01:57.57 | abrotman | FromOnHigh: there are people here now who are maintainers |
| 01:57.57 | shingouz | recreated? |
| 01:57.59 | scarynetworkguy | FromOnHigh: More than one of the regulars are maintainers. |
| 01:58.01 | black13 | Wyzard, what you said about lfs yeah i had the same experience ... configure make install so forth |
| 01:58.07 | dopey | FromOnHigh: you'd be suprised, there are a number of people in this channel who are developers/maintainers |
| 01:58.14 | Guerin | even the DPL is in here |
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| 01:58.24 | Guerin | Overfiend: aintcha? |
| 01:58.31 | black13 | Wyzard, is there a grouple scripts tools for rebuilding/packaging files |
| 01:58.32 | abrotman | FromOnHigh: scarynetworkguy is the sole XFree86 maintainer . he needs a new job now .. so if you need help at your company .. give him a buzz |
| 01:58.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: you wish! |
| 01:58.55 | jarango | kelan: |
| 01:58.56 | FromOnHigh | Dopey: I guess I would. I usually thought this channel was a filter of sorts so developers wouldn't have to deal with.. Erm.. People. |
| 01:59.00 | jarango | kelan: http://pastebin.com/296863 |
| 01:59.08 | JGL | Anyone know a good GUI tool to configure Gnome menus? |
| 01:59.09 | sparr_ | stouset: compiling 2.6.12-rc6 right now, and it occurs to me i might want to do some configging since ive gotta compile anyways |
| 01:59.12 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Thanks man. :) |
| 01:59.13 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: dont' hit me |
| 01:59.22 | Wyzard | black13: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ will tell you all you need to know about packaging |
| 01:59.23 | Guerin | FromOnHigh: it is. We're the Debian Project's customer service dept. |
| 01:59.24 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Lycos!! |
| 01:59.33 | Wyzard | abrotman: I recently started helping the debtags project |
| 01:59.36 | jarango | kelan: see how they differentiate between "source" and "build" directories ? |
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| 02:00.03 | black13 | THERES NO CRYING IN BASEBALL! |
| 02:00.24 | mfrisch | I tried to use dump/restore when I booted it gave me bad superblock on / what did I do wrong? |
| 02:00.36 | ethics | black13: sure there is... |
| 02:00.55 | kelan | jarango: that probably means that if you build your kernel outside of the source tree you need to use the other option or something. have you tried it just using the regular source tree location? |
| 02:01.07 | Pumpkin_Pie | I thought there was a cool like md5 crypt |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | Wyzard: for why ? |
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| 02:01.36 | Wyzard | Pumpkin_Pie: "md5sum" will give you MD5 hashes of strings, but MD5 is a hash algorithm, not an encryption algorithm. |
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| 02:01.54 | Wyzard | Pumpkin_Pie: It's a one-way function... you can't get the original text back from the MD5 hash |
| 02:01.56 | libpcp | hi all |
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| 02:02.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: Because I wanted to contribute to something, and debtags is listed on the wnpp page as "help requested", and it seemed interesting |
| 02:02.28 | grelli | Has anyone put together an insert for DVD cases for sarge? |
| 02:02.36 | black13 | fakeroot |
| 02:02.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's also written in C++, which is the language I'm best with |
| 02:02.43 | WW | Hello, world. |
| 02:02.52 | libpcp | I would like to ask what ar the contents of the 1-14 iso of debian sarge, im planning to download the iso's but i might not need the other iso |
| 02:02.53 | jarango | should /lib/modules/*/build and /lib/modules/*/source point to the same place ? |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: noone is good with C++ .. it's all just a crap shoot :) |
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| 02:03.14 | dvs | abrotman: Ha! I'm a phony then! |
| 02:03.16 | ethics | Grelli: nothing official but i could if you really want one hehe |
| 02:03.23 | Wyzard | libpcp: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, you don't need to download the full CDs; just get the businesscard or netinst CD |
| 02:03.26 | kelan | jarango: i don't know that one |
| 02:03.29 | abrotman | dvs: where are those images ? |
| 02:03.32 | grelli | ethics: well, I was going to myself if it hadn't been done |
| 02:03.34 | WW | Sorry if this is a faq, but... To stick with sarge, can I simply change all the references to "testing" in sources.list to "sarge"? |
| 02:03.39 | Wyzard | libpcp: The installer will download other files as-needed, and it won't download any extra stuff that you don't need |
| 02:03.43 | grelli | ethics: figured I'd ask first as google wasn't too forthcoming |
| 02:03.54 | perry | do debian developers frequent this channel? |
| 02:03.54 | shingouz | WW: yes or make them stable |
| 02:03.57 | Wyzard | libpcp: (If you download all the full CDs, you'll be getting a large amount of software that you'll probably never install) |
| 02:04.02 | dvs | abrotman: The 3.1r0a images? I never got an answer |
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| 02:04.12 | orangey | hey all! |
| 02:04.15 | ethics | grelli: i just grabbed a toystory screenshot of sarge and a debian logo and when crazy in photoshop for 10 seconds... |
| 02:04.16 | orangey | is there some way to *rename* a font? |
| 02:04.22 | abrotman | dvs: ask three times slowly |
| 02:04.29 | Wyzard | abrotman: You should take a look at the book "C++ Template Metaprogramming" sometime... you literally only know half of C++ if you don't know what templates are capable of :-) |
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| 02:04.48 | jarango | kelan: they seem to be related. In fact, I think that's what alsa drivers want |
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| 02:04.55 | libpcp | Wyzard: what if i dont have the internet, what iso are important for installation? |
| 02:05.04 | mith | Wyzard: the half worth knowing, seeing as how most compiler's template support is broken beyond being useful |
| 02:05.05 | grelli | ethics: hmmm... I was just going to throw the swirl on there with the release name and what not |
| 02:05.13 | WW | shingouz: Thanks. |
| 02:05.14 | grelli | ethics: on the front and on the spine |
| 02:05.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: i wrote it .. jeez :) |
| 02:05.22 | Wyzard | libpcp: Disc 1 contains everything you need for a standard installation; everything else is optional software |
| 02:05.26 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: i know about templates .. i had a lot of C++ |
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| 02:05.59 | cthulfuego | orangey: yes, open it in a font editor, change the meta info and re-save it. |
| 02:06.00 | libpcp | Wyzard: oh i see, so ill download disc 1 only using jigdo |
| 02:06.10 | orangey | cthulfuego, could you suggest a font editor? |
| 02:06.12 | Wyzard | abrotman: If you think templates are for writing container classes (like std::vector<int>), you know only a *tiny fraction* of what they can do :-) |
| 02:06.15 | ethics | grelli hehe i jus made o look like sarge was hiding behind the swirl for cover....i had a heap of tux forming an attack on him ... |
| 02:06.41 | ethics | grelli: 27.3 x 18.6 cm is dvdcase size btw |
| 02:06.48 | Wyzard | libpcp: The packages on the CDs are arranged roughly in order of "popularity", so the most-used packages are on the first few discs, and the least-used ones are on the last few |
| 02:06.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: go talk to Leimy :) |
| 02:07.03 | grelli | ethics: heh, I was just about to measure |
| 02:07.12 | abrotman | Wyzard: err .. he's not online now |
| 02:07.17 | ethics | grelli: hehe |
| 02:07.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: Who's that? |
| 02:07.29 | libpcp | Wyzard: would it be better if i download the first 5 cds ? |
| 02:07.32 | cthulfuego | orangey: I think there's only one (gui one) for debian; fontforge |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's a guy who's usually in opendarwin .. does MPI programming for a living |
| 02:08.03 | orangey | cthulfuego, OK.. playing with that one now.. HOwever, I can't find the meta info.. I'll search more before further harrassing you : ) |
| 02:08.04 | Wyzard | libpcp: The more you download, the less likely you are to find yourself wanting a package that's on a CD you don't have |
| 02:08.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: he may possibly knnow more C++ than stroustrop |
| 02:08.11 | Wyzard | abrotman: cool |
| 02:08.13 | orangey | FOUND IT! |
| 02:08.15 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:08.16 | orangey | woohoo! |
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| 02:08.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: you could ask dan2 about him too |
| 02:08.49 | dan2 | abrotman: hiya |
| 02:08.51 | cthulfuego | dan2 has started to realise c++ is crap |
| 02:09.02 | dan2 | abrotman: talking about Leimy? |
| 02:09.05 | abrotman | but he picked Leimy dry :) |
| 02:09.18 | cthulfuego | that's probably _why_ then |
| 02:09.24 | dan2 | I learned C++ from Leimy |
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| 02:09.52 | orangey | WOOHOO! |
| 02:09.53 | orangey | thanks cthulfuego |
| 02:09.54 | FromOnHigh | ASM 4 lIfE! |
| 02:09.59 | black13 | Leimy |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | black13: ? |
| 02:10.12 | rdmnoa | in what package is import? |
| 02:10.29 | mos__ | IM having trouble using the netinstall cd, it wont detect my Network card, a broadcom 4400, module bcm4400. Has anyone else noticed this? |
| 02:10.31 | black13 | i learned C++ on street corner |
| 02:10.35 | abrotman | Wyzard: the only person i've met that might know more is 'jep' from comp.lang.c++.moderated :) |
| 02:10.35 | black13 | on THE |
| 02:10.36 | Wyzard | FromOnHigh: A few years ago, when I was without a motherboard for two weeks, I implemented SHA-1 in assembly on my HP48 :-) |
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| 02:11.06 | FromOnHigh | Wyzard: Thats a bit much.. |
| 02:11.21 | Wyzard | FromOnHigh: I was bored |
| 02:11.27 | xaphod | offtopic question: Does anyone know whether a "standard" ATX power supply has *independent* 5V supplies, or are they all the same 5V? (love the topic btw) |
| 02:11.31 | Wyzard | FromOnHigh: and in college, so I had free time |
| 02:11.36 | dan2 | abrotman: 'jep' also known by jep sits in ##C++ all the time |
| 02:11.48 | abrotman | dan2: i don't think so |
| 02:11.52 | dan2 | abrotman: he does |
| 02:11.53 | cthulfuego | xaphod: a standard one? All the same. |
| 02:11.54 | FromOnHigh | Wyzard: Yes.. We geeks must band together. |
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| 02:12.03 | abrotman | dan2: i doubt it .. i don't think he knows how to irc |
| 02:12.04 | Wyzard | dan2: I sit in ##c++ all the time too, but I mostly just lurk |
| 02:12.10 | xaphod | cthulfuego: so *not* independent. |
| 02:12.14 | scarynetworkguy | FromOnHigh: Lycos!! |
| 02:12.25 | cthulfuego | xaphod: Not on generic cheap ones, no. |
| 02:12.33 | black13 | FromOnHigh, IT workers union ... |
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| 02:12.47 | xaphod | damn. Ok, thanks!!! |
| 02:13.03 | coolball | I reinstalled and GNOME has a panel.. actually 2 panels |
| 02:13.05 | FromOnHigh | black13: "shiver" |
| 02:13.12 | cthulfuego | xaphod: Mind you, antec truepower ones _are_ nice though. |
| 02:13.33 | Wyzard | coolball: Not surprising... GNOME is supposed to have panels |
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| 02:13.45 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: what you say? |
| 02:13.46 | coolball | Does anyone know that the nv driver is limited to 800x600 res? |
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| 02:14.11 | jetscreamer | !say all your base are belong to us |
| 02:14.12 | dpkg | all your base are belong to us |
| 02:14.20 | coolball | once again I cant set it higher.. is there a way to reduce number of colors? |
| 02:14.38 | sparr_ | before i try my new kernel, i need some help with moving hard drives around. i want to physically move my root/boot drive from hdb to hdd (change ide channels). if i move the drive then when it comes time for GRUB to start, nothing happens. no "Error loading operating system", no nothing. a blank line after "Boot from CD:", where i would normally see GRUB start, and it just sits there. help? |
| 02:14.47 | orangey | cthulfuego, it seems I'm only one step closer.. My Acroread and kpdf still says that there's no such font.. |
| 02:14.52 | orangey | do I have to restart X or the like? |
| 02:15.05 | jetscreamer | coolball: google the model number of you monitor, learn the vertical and horizontal refresh rates, the drxx |
| 02:15.07 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 02:15.07 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 02:15.15 | black13 | FromOnHigh, it works (myself) then to be inward types ... but someday i wish i could join a union and have collective bargaining ... |
| 02:15.17 | Wyzard | coolball: That's not a driver issue... your monitor timings are probably set wrong |
| 02:15.22 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yahoo! |
| 02:15.31 | Wyzard | coolball: I was using nv at 1280x1024, 24-bit color, yesterday |
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| 02:15.39 | pueblo | is anyone else here on debian unstable unable to install the gnome metapackage? |
| 02:15.41 | jetscreamer | coolball: oh and choose advanced when it offers you the choice |
| 02:15.49 | pollywog | black13 why would anyone want to be in a union? |
| 02:15.53 | tyranix | hmm @ using aptitude. I've always used apt-get for everything. Is it just as good for everything except upgrading? (I always thought aptitude was just a front end. Why is it better?) |
| 02:15.59 | Wyzard | pueblo: Yes, libgnomevfs has been upgraded but gnome-panel hasn't been updated to use the new version |
| 02:16.03 | FromOnHigh | Black13: Linux users will eventually take over the world and create a true Communist Utopia. |
| 02:16.03 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 02:16.03 | dpkg | it has been said that dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 02:16.04 | Wyzard | pueblo: so there's an unresolvable conflict |
| 02:16.12 | jla | what sets APT prefers in reportbug reports? I thought that was set by /etc/apt/preferences but I have no such file on this machine that is tracking 'sarge' yet it says I prefer testing and policy is (500, 'testing') |
| 02:16.13 | Wyzard | pueblo: Wait a day or two |
| 02:16.14 | pueblo | aha thx |
| 02:16.18 | FromOnHigh | Because we've actually read Marx. |
| 02:16.18 | pueblo | yea theres a dependency issue |
| 02:16.24 | coolball | k thanks all you smart people |
| 02:16.26 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: kartoo!!! |
| 02:16.29 | perry | abrotman, woo! |
| 02:16.30 | pueblo | i was just wondering if anyone else had the same problem or if it was just my system |
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| 02:16.33 | kelan | ick use aptitude. down with dselect! |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | perry: workie ? |
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| 02:16.42 | perry | abrotman, oui. |
| 02:16.44 | jetscreamer | craptitude |
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| 02:16.46 | Wyzard | jla: You only need a preferences file if you want to override the defaults |
| 02:16.47 | dvs | use synaptic |
| 02:16.48 | jetscreamer | but i digress |
| 02:16.52 | abrotman | perry: you installed the .deb too ? |
| 02:16.53 | mithro | is adduser a specific debian thing? |
| 02:16.53 | pueblo | aptitude is good but i recommend synaptic for a gui |
| 02:16.54 | tyranix | Why not just use apt-get? I usually use apt-get remove --purge regex... |
| 02:17.00 | pollywog | mithro: no |
| 02:17.04 | perry | abrotman, yep. |
| 02:17.06 | FromOnHigh | Black13: I know what you mean though.. Difficult to find people with similar interests.. "sigh" |
| 02:17.10 | perry | so now i can java -jar the .jar file? |
| 02:17.12 | jla | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.17 | black13 | FromOnHigh, no i dont want utopia just decent benfits and to not treat like wage slave |
| 02:17.23 | abrotman | perry: you sohuld be able to |
| 02:17.23 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Java!! |
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| 02:17.40 | jetscreamer | i've had apt-get dist-upgrade bork on really large packages with huge dependencies. seriously. |
| 02:17.46 | FromOnHigh | black13: Utopia does mean nowhere.. |
| 02:17.52 | pika | so i just downloaded sarge. can i run it from a UMSDOS partition? |
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| 02:17.54 | Wyzard | jla: Does your sources.list say "testing" or "sarge" ? |
| 02:18.01 | jla | Wyzard 'sarge' |
| 02:18.11 | spdf | Is Sarge out yet? ;) |
| 02:18.14 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: it shouldn't... although, there is a current problem with the way dpkg is called due to command line length limitations. |
| 02:18.17 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: msn ? |
| 02:18.18 | Wyzard | jla: And have you done "apt-get update" ? |
| 02:18.18 | pueblo | sarge is the new stable |
| 02:18.19 | teeagoo | cd 01 include xfree and gnome (or xfce) ?! |
| 02:18.20 | pika | isn't that 3.1r0? |
| 02:18.22 | dvs | !smite spdf |
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| 02:18.30 | spdf | OOooOoo.. Smited... |
| 02:18.33 | nvz | pika: probably could, but why the hell would you |
| 02:18.34 | pueblo | the new testing is etch i believe |
| 02:18.42 | abrotman | !etch |
| 02:18.42 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases> |
| 02:18.43 | jla | Wyzard yesterday I got what I thought were the release slew of packages. |
| 02:18.43 | Wyzard | jla: It *shouldn't* still say testing |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | perry: are you gonna kill me |
| 02:18.56 | jla | Wyzard I'll work on it some then. Thanks |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:19.00 | perry | abrotman, in bash is there any way of scrolling up to read things that went by? |
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| 02:19.10 | pika | i don't want to reformat my drive right now |
| 02:19.16 | perry | abrotman, why would i have to do that? |
| 02:19.16 | nvz | perry: Shift+PgUp |
| 02:19.19 | abrotman | perry: ctrl-pgup .. i think |
| 02:19.24 | abrotman | or shift :) |
| 02:19.31 | jetscreamer | shift |
| 02:19.31 | Wyzard | pika: It can be done, but I don't think the installer supports it directly |
| 02:19.39 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: AltaVista! |
| 02:19.48 | abrotman | yay shift |
| 02:19.49 | Wyzard | pika: You'd have to set up the filesystems and mountpoints manually |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: dogpile! |
| 02:19.54 | nvz | perry: abrotman, it really has nothing to do with bash what so ever, the command is dependant on the terminal |
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| 02:20.03 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Excite! |
| 02:20.05 | dob1 | it is normal that aptitude on sarge when i try to remove xmms want to deinstall 239 packages ? kde + other packages ? |
| 02:20.05 | pika | ooh. that sounds like fun :o( |
| 02:20.14 | mithro | pollywog: guess I won't ask my question here then... |
| 02:20.21 | black13 | FromOnHigh, think of how usefull linux has begin becuase people agree to come together for a common purpose |
| 02:20.27 | dvs | dob1: That's just typical aptitude |
| 02:20.29 | pueblo | dob1 perhaps xmms was a dependency from when u installed kde |
| 02:20.32 | Wyzard | pika: There's a tool called "ntfsresize" which can shrink an NTFS partition to make room for something else (such as a Linux distribution) |
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| 02:20.41 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Lycos! |
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| 02:20.45 | Wyzard | pika: Partition Magic can do that too, but it costs money |
| 02:20.46 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: hotbot! |
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| 02:20.49 | black13 | FromOnHigh, why not the same for IT workers? |
| 02:20.50 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yay!! |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i'm all out i think :) |
| 02:20.59 | perry | abrotman, i did the java -jar command on my file, but it didn't work. exception with thread 'main' . Cannot connect to x11 window |
| 02:21.01 | pika | i know about partition magic :o/ ntfsresize is free and for win32? |
| 02:21.04 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah. I'm done. |
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| 02:21.09 | abrotman | perry: did you run it as root ? |
| 02:21.10 | pueblo | the mandrake cd can resize ntfs |
| 02:21.16 | abrotman | good for mandrake |
| 02:21.17 | perry | yeah. |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | err mandriva |
| 02:21.23 | dob1 | dvs: it is written that aptitude is better than apt-get for dependency, don't seems that |
| 02:21.24 | pueblo | lol |
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| 02:21.26 | abrotman | perry: and you're in X as you .. not root |
| 02:21.30 | shingouz | mandrivel ;) |
| 02:21.37 | perry | abrotman, ah.. |
| 02:21.39 | nvz | go away or I shall taunt you again |
| 02:21.46 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: perry Cause running stuff that random monkeys on IRC tell you about as root ia *always* a good idea. |
| 02:21.53 | Wyzard | pika: ntfsresize is a Linux command-line tool... there might be a Windows build, I dunno |
| 02:22.00 | pika | ooh. hm. |
| 02:22.07 | pika | well, i'll look into it |
| 02:22.11 | pika | thank you for the name ^_^ |
| 02:22.13 | pueblo | try a mandrake... ops driva... cd |
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| 02:22.17 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i didn't tell him to run jack .. he's trying to run a jar file |
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| 02:22.33 | Wyzard | pika: The Ubuntu installer CD runs ntfsresize if you tell it to change the size of an existing NTFS partition... the sarge installer might do that too; I dunno |
| 02:22.44 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Cool. I run all my jar files as root. Cause I'm smart. |
| 02:22.57 | Wyzard | pika: I know it works, because I used it last week |
| 02:23.03 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: java has no security! |
| 02:23.14 | pika | i suppose if anything i could boot off of knoppix and run it |
| 02:23.19 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Flash!! |
| 02:23.32 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: activex |
| 02:23.51 | bruce2005 | abrotman: hey, trying to install uml, i installed the kernel sources, now trying to get the uml kernel patch do u know the command to install or find the uml patch |
| 02:24.04 | jasoncohen | this is really strange. I was looking at the proposed updates and I saw quanta 3.2.3-1.sarge.1 which dependencies from kdelibs 3.2.3. The version from sarge is 3.3.2-6. Did the maintainer switch the 3 and the 2? |
| 02:24.14 | jasoncohen | *proposed updates for sarge |
| 02:24.17 | kelan | what is this weird word-association game that's going on? |
| 02:24.32 | FromOnHigh | black13: You said "IT Workers Union" and I thought you were referencing an article that was on slashdot that was mainly a veiled insult to Linux. |
| 02:24.49 | pueblo | slashdot itself is an insult to linux |
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| 02:25.02 | FromOnHigh | Debatable |
| 02:25.13 | Wyzard | kelan: Word-association game? |
| 02:25.14 | black13 | FromOnHigh, no no ... |
| 02:25.24 | shingouz | bruce2005: you do not stop, do you? |
| 02:25.49 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:25.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | bruce2005: and no |
| 02:25.53 | kelan | Wyzard: scarynetworkguy, abrotman, and nvz keep shouting random words like search engine names and web technologies at each other |
| 02:26.14 | FromOnHigh | black13: I don't know. |
| 02:26.19 | Wyzard | kelan: If you mean what abrotman just did, that's asking the bot (named dpkg) to recite a factoid |
| 02:26.23 | pika | thank you very much wyzard ^_^ |
| 02:26.23 | shingouz | kelan: they havent had caffeine in a long long time now |
| 02:26.28 | Wyzard | kelan: saves typing for the humans |
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| 02:26.59 | nvz | !confuse Wyzard |
| 02:27.00 | dpkg | No, how was their gerbil today, Wyzard? shirts of the republic of swaziland with extra ham |
| 02:27.01 | kelan | Wyzard: no i know about that. i'm talking about: <scarynetworkguy> abrotman: Flash!! <nvz> scarynetworkguy: activex |
| 02:27.08 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:27.09 | perry | abrotman, it worked. |
| 02:27.17 | perry | abrotman, i'm in the program. |
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| 02:27.24 | abrotman | perry: yay |
| 02:27.30 | abrotman | kelan: why are you alwys blaming me ? |
| 02:27.31 | black13 | FromOnHigh, i had some calls from recruiters today that is good ... but NO ONE wants to hire full time |
| 02:27.50 | perry | abrotman, thanks for your help. if i were you i'd be pretty annoyed at someone sending me so many messages. |
| 02:28.02 | nvz | kelan: now are my red herring today, fish with extra cheese of cambodia |
| 02:28.13 | kelan | abrotman: blaming? i wasn't blaming, i was just wondering whats going on:) |
| 02:28.13 | abrotman | perry: nope .. just average :) |
| 02:28.15 | black13 | FromOnHigh, i am way of topic |
| 02:28.18 | FromOnHigh | Black13: Being a contractor scares me. You could say that all we are are numbers to these corps. |
| 02:28.20 | chealer | jasoncohen: heh...where did you see that? |
| 02:28.20 | abrotman | kelan: it's not my fault .. jeez |
| 02:28.22 | FromOnHigh | Cheaper the better. |
| 02:28.27 | FromOnHigh | Seems to be the way things are going. |
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| 02:28.38 | abrotman | perry: glad i could help |
| 02:28.47 | cuti | hey, how do i prevent module snd-ac97-codec being load at boot? |
| 02:28.49 | jasoncohen | chealer, in the proposed updates packages file and i confirmed with apt-cache showpkg quanta |
| 02:28.52 | jasoncohen | check it out for yourself |
| 02:29.00 | cuti | i didn't add it to /etc/modules but it keep loading |
| 02:29.08 | shingouz | cuti: blacklist it? |
| 02:29.10 | nvz | cuti: probably discover loading it |
| 02:29.20 | black13 | FromOnHigh, pretty much ... so i got the song dance all this week that contract to hire really means full time ... yeah right |
| 02:29.33 | cuti | blacklist? |
| 02:29.35 | chealer | hm, there's etch-proposed-updates already :? |
| 02:29.38 | nvz | or its a module dependancy of a loaded module |
| 02:29.39 | shingouz | !blacklist |
| 02:29.39 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 02:29.47 | jasoncohen | chealer, something is royally screwed up. packages.qa.debian.org shows 3.2.3-2 as the last update on 4-30- 2004!! |
| 02:30.01 | FromOnHigh | Full time without benefits and without any real contract or oppertunity for promotion |
| 02:30.10 | jasoncohen | chealer, packages.debian.org shows 3.3.2-6 updated on May 5, 2005 |
| 02:30.24 | cuti | oh i have it on blacklist |
| 02:30.28 | cuti | snd-ac97-codec |
| 02:30.31 | cuti | i have that |
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| 02:30.37 | cuti | but it still loading |
| 02:30.42 | FromOnHigh | black13: I live in California, the dad of a friend lives in Texas because he can't get work here. |
| 02:31.10 | FromOnHigh | At his former company, he had to train his own Indian replacement and was then duly fired, only to be rehired six months later and then fired three after that. |
| 02:31.27 | black13 | FromOnHigh, typical |
| 02:31.41 | chealer | jasoncohen: hm, I do see strange packages in ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/quanta/ |
| 02:31.50 | black13 | FromOnHigh, yeah im texas i could not afford cali |
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| 02:32.11 | cuti | shingouz, any idea? |
| 02:32.17 | FromOnHigh | Black13: I'm planning on moving out of state and maybe country after I get my bachelors. |
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| 02:32.27 | magyar | ahoy |
| 02:32.43 | shingouz | cuti: did you read the whole factoid? there are a few other things you should do too besides the blacklist |
| 02:32.44 | FromOnHigh | Black13: Prospects seem grim and there hasn't been a light at the end of the tunnel for a while now. |
| 02:32.44 | magyar | how can i apply a patch to a tar.gz file? |
| 02:32.46 | black13 | FromOnHigh, dallas where i am is doing ok ... austin is still BAD houston is doing pretty good |
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| 02:32.54 | shingouz | magyar: you dont |
| 02:33.03 | jasoncohen | chealer, yeah, i saw those as well |
| 02:33.05 | FromOnHigh | Black13: Price wise or generally? |
| 02:33.09 | jasoncohen | chealer, should i file a bug report? |
| 02:33.25 | jasoncohen | this is a pretty big screwup, lol |
| 02:33.31 | black13 | FromOnHigh, i am getting calles for jobs ... all contract though price of living is good ... |
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| 02:33.38 | Wyzard | magyar: You have to unpack the .tar.gz... the patch applies to the files inside |
| 02:33.44 | shingouz | magyar: untar it, then run patch against it |
| 02:33.52 | jarango | What's the difference between "kernel source" and "build directory". I want to compile the lastest version of the alsa drivers and it asks for both of these parameters. I think they are related to the /lib/modules/*/source and /lib/modules/*/build |
| 02:33.58 | chealer | jasoncohen: what's the packages.qa.debian.org page you're talking about? |
| 02:34.02 | jasoncohen | chealer, check out the changelog. version 3.2.3 just makes no sense.. |
| 02:34.08 | jasoncohen | chealer, http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/quanta.html |
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| 02:34.30 | magyar | shingouz: am doing that with p1 option and getting "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] " |
| 02:34.33 | jasoncohen | the page is clearly wrong. it shows 3.2.3-2 entering unstable as "latest news" from april 2004 |
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| 02:34.37 | Draconicus | Anyone have experience with rosegarden? |
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| 02:34.57 | FromOnHigh | black13: Half the problem being contract work, eh? I have a feeling research and CS jobs are going to get worse before they get better. |
| 02:35.05 | shingouz | magyar: you really should try it with --dry-run before you let it really rip |
| 02:35.06 | jasoncohen | chealer, but the changelog shows numerous uploads in march, april and may of 2005 |
| 02:35.08 | Wyzard | magyar: Sounds like you've already applied the patch, then, or the changes it makes are already present in the contents of the .tar.gz |
| 02:35.27 | black13 | FromOnHigh, but i must say dallas is win32 .net country i dont see as much unix linux devel here |
| 02:35.34 | Wyzard | magyar: Or (less likely) the person who made the patch made a mistake and got it backward |
| 02:35.35 | chealer | jasoncohen: it looks like quanta is just an old source package |
| 02:35.37 | jarango | What's the difference between "kernel source" and "build directory" ? I want to compile the lastest version of the alsa drivers and it asks for both of these parameters. I think they are related to the /lib/modules/*/source and /lib/modules/*/build symbolic links. I have the kernel source but I don't know what the "build directory" is. |
| 02:35.53 | sekio | jarango: where you built the kernel\ |
| 02:35.58 | Wyzard | jarango: The "build directory" is the kernel-source directory that your current kernel was built from |
| 02:35.59 | magyar | Wyzard:shingouz: thanks fellows |
| 02:36.00 | FromOnHigh | black13: Counts me out right there. Just development paths I guess? |
| 02:36.03 | jasoncohen | chealer, you're right. check out kdewebdev for the new one |
| 02:36.06 | chealer | jasoncohen: I guess that should be more explicit in the binary packages section |
| 02:36.12 | Wyzard | jarango: On my system, both those symlinks point to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 02:36.27 | black13 | FromOnHigh, how do you mean |
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| 02:36.27 | FromOnHigh | I discussed it with someone once, Windows seem to be the defact client side service. |
| 02:36.27 | grelli | ethics: do you know what font is used in the debian logo? |
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| 02:36.53 | FromOnHigh | black13: Not server but desktop and client side development? |
| 02:36.56 | chealer | jasoncohen: but I still wonder why it stays on my mirror |
| 02:36.59 | jasoncohen | chealer, but what's with the binary quanta package in sarge proposed updates? |
| 02:37.09 | jarango | sekio, Wyzard: When should they point to the same place and when to different places ? |
| 02:37.11 | FromOnHigh | Front end seems to be Windows mainly. |
| 02:37.27 | FromOnHigh | Sorry, I'm a little off base. Tired. |
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| 02:37.28 | Wyzard | jarango: I dunno when they'd point to different places |
| 02:37.39 | chealer | jasoncohen: when was it uploaded? |
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| 02:38.16 | black13 | FromOnHigh, what i get calls for is web stuff (but that is what i had in my past) lots of IT work ... i dont meat any C++ developers ... I am the last of my kind |
| 02:38.22 | Wyzard | jarango: As a guess, maybe in cases where you're using a precompiled kernel, and "build" points to that kernel's headers, and "source" might point to another source tree from the same version but not necessarily configured the same |
| 02:38.47 | Wyzard | Ugh... web development sucks |
| 02:39.55 | FromOnHigh | Black13: So its all higher level? I guess you could say its all dedicated now.. A friend does database work in Delphi. |
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| 02:39.56 | black13 | FromOnHigh, java on unix .net on win32 and php here and there in houston about same but 3 years behind technolog |
| 02:39.56 | black13 | y |
| 02:40.27 | nvz | is there anything like gift that is more directed toward having multiple users on the same daemon? |
| 02:40.32 | jasoncohen | chealer, looks like 17th of august, 2004. I didn't notice that before..but what i don't get is where the hell is quanta 3.3.2-6? |
| 02:40.35 | black13 | yeah lots of database work as well for the business here lots of db work in houston or from what i rememember |
| 02:40.43 | jasoncohen | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/quanta/ only has 3.2.3 and 2.0.1 (woody) |
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| 02:41.13 | FromOnHigh | black13: His company does contract work with mexican businesses to set up IT infrastructure. |
| 02:41.18 | spdf | I keep getting Relay Denied from postfix for outgoing mail, what do I need to add for it to allow it? |
| 02:41.18 | cthulfuego | !info quanta sid |
| 02:41.30 | dpkg | quanta: (web development environment for KDE), section web, is optional. Version: 1:3.3.2-6 (sid), Packaged size: 1775 kB, Installed size: 4512 kB |
| 02:41.31 | FromOnHigh | Met him a couple of times south of the border. |
| 02:41.53 | chealer | jasoncohen: pool/main/k/kdewebdev/ |
| 02:41.55 | FromOnHigh | Black13: So its pretty fractured then? I would of thought people would use Java OR .Net, not both. |
| 02:42.20 | jla | spdf probably allow-relay mynetworks and define mynetworks |
| 02:42.25 | nvz | or furthermore, I wonder could I run multiple gift daemons on different client ports, and have the network plugins on them all use the same port |
| 02:42.27 | black13 | FromOnHigh, sorry when i see a linux shop i see java/php/perl |
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| 02:42.46 | black13 | FromOnHigh, win32 vb.net aspx |
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| 02:42.55 | chealer | jasoncohen: it doesn't seem normal that the old binary packages stay in the archive, but...as long as they're not on the disks :) |
| 02:42.58 | jasoncohen | chealer, ah, that explains it |
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| 02:43.19 | chealer | BTW, still no way to see the disks content, eh? |
| 02:43.22 | magyar | Wyzard:shingouz: my mistake it was a patch from version 2.2.1 to 2.2.2 and i already have 2.2.2. bahhh |
| 02:43.22 | FromOnHigh | Black13: Would seem no one has faith in Linux if they are being careful and using a crossplatform language. |
| 02:43.43 | jasoncohen | why would they be in sarge proposed updates though? proposed updates aren't made until after a release is made i would imagine. |
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| 02:44.11 | Wyzard | magyar: Note that if you're applying a patch, you're probably planning on compiling something from source, and that's usually a bad idea if you're inexperienced |
| 02:44.11 | chealer | jasoncohen: they start when it freezes, I believe |
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| 02:44.16 | FromOnHigh | Trying to cover themselves.. "sigh" |
| 02:44.24 | monsoon | does anyonne happen to know what dir libc6 deb is on a pure64 mirror? |
| 02:44.28 | chealer | jasoncohen: although at that point I don't think KDE was freezed |
| 02:44.39 | monsoon | or any mirror |
| 02:44.40 | black13 | FromOnHigh, actually there are big linux hosting shops around here |
| 02:44.46 | magyar | Wyzard: its for a php based app not kernel :) |
| 02:45.13 | Wyzard | magyar: Kernel or not is irrelevant, but PHP isn't compiled, so that's less of an issue |
| 02:45.14 | jasoncohen | chealer, any idea why that package would be in proposed upates? it's showing as a potential update from apt-cache showpkg quanta but obviously it's not taking it due to the lower version # |
| 02:45.25 | FromOnHigh | black13: Why Java then? Why not just go dedicated? |
| 02:45.25 | Wyzard | magyar: Still, it's better to just install the packaged version, if one is available |
| 02:45.37 | black13 | FromOnHigh, how do you mean dedicated? |
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| 02:45.47 | magyar | Wyzard: roger |
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| 02:46.22 | chealer | monsoon: pool/main/g/glibc/ |
| 02:46.28 | aman | Hi guys. I am trying to get my HP printer working in CUPS. CUPS finds it and adresses it to the correct place, but I cannot do anything more than lpr /etc/motd - can anyone help? |
| 02:46.39 | monsoon | thx chealer |
| 02:46.42 | FromOnHigh | Black13: Java is usually used for crossplatform. If Linux development has begun to = Java, then I would think they would be trying to keep as many options open for themselves as possible. |
| 02:46.47 | FromOnHigh | Easy port to windows in other words. |
| 02:46.55 | Wyzard | aman: If you can send stuff to the printer, CUPS is working |
| 02:47.05 | tvn | what should I read/look at to setup a network so that the user has same account, disk storage etc at any machine in the network where he/she logs in to ? |
| 02:47.13 | aman | Wyzard: How do I get it working in Open Office? I type lpr as the command but it doesn't print. |
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| 02:47.21 | black13 | FromOnHigh, i think its because how IT managers view the world ... |
| 02:47.30 | chealer | there's obviously a problem if a binary package changes source, but you're the one that learns it to me, so don't expect me to explain it |
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| 02:47.49 | technos | tvn: That can be as simple as NFS mounting /home. |
| 02:47.52 | Wyzard | aman: Well, "cupsys" provides "lp"... if you want an "lpr" command, you need to install "cupsys-bsd" too |
| 02:48.04 | black13 | FromOnHigh, if they go with SUN they have been sold on linux and they can swallow linux |
| 02:48.05 | agney | what is the problem with non-us / |
| 02:48.09 | jasoncohen | chealer, should i post a bug or is this ok? |
| 02:48.15 | aman | Wyzard: Wierd.. because lp doesn't work for me, only lpr |
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| 02:48.28 | Wyzard | aman: Do you have "lpr" or "lprng" installed? |
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| 02:48.41 | Wyzard | aman: You might have an lpr command from some other print spooler, having nothing to do with CUPS |
| 02:48.43 | aman | Wyzard: I don't know. I am assuming the former. |
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| 02:49.00 | aman | Wyzard: Well which one then if it's not CUPS? |
| 02:49.05 | black13 | FromOnHigh, if the use win32 they have been sold on .net ... IT managers fear risk ... you know saying "no one ever got fired for bying IBM" |
| 02:49.17 | chealer | jasoncohen: I have no idea if it's known. it doesn't seem really problematic only it fills the CDs |
| 02:49.19 | Wyzard | aman: lpr or lprng presumably, those are the only two prints spoolers I know of besides CUPS |
| 02:49.20 | aman | Wyzard: I had to set up CUPS for it to work.. I didn't know the other spoolers could set themselves up. |
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| 02:49.38 | aman | Wyzard: well lprng doesn't work for me when I type it in xterm |
| 02:49.42 | chealer | jasoncohen: ur, the last sentence is screwed up |
| 02:49.43 | Wyzard | aman: No, they don't "set themselves up"... I"m guessing that maybe you installed one previously |
| 02:49.47 | mith | wait, people use things other than cups still? |
| 02:49.48 | Wyzard | aman: lprng is a package, not a command |
| 02:49.58 | aman | Wyzard: I didn't. This is a really clean install (installed yesterday night) |
| 02:50.10 | Wyzard | aman: OK, so you don't have any other print spooler installed |
| 02:50.13 | aman | I did an apt-get install cups the instant I booted fo rthe first time. |
| 02:50.17 | aman | Correct. |
| 02:50.21 | FromOnHigh | black13: Ya I know the saying. But .NET is poor mans Java, just a windows lockin language. Doesn't instill much faith in me if half the world use .NET and the other half use Java "just in case" |
| 02:50.31 | TimeKilla | hey guys; 2 out of every three times i try and startup i get the following message: had: irq timeout: status=0x50 driveready seekcomplete which repeats... what does this mean? |
| 02:50.37 | Wyzard | aman: Have you tried printing a test page from the web interface? |
| 02:50.41 | TimeKilla | (hda) |
| 02:50.43 | aman | Wyzard: Yes. It doesn't work. |
| 02:50.47 | ethics | Wyzard: lp works not cups.. |
| 02:50.59 | black13 | FromOnHigh, .Net is crap (dont tell anyone i said that) its all over my resume |
| 02:51.04 | ethics | Wyzard: nm i was scrolled up for some reason |
| 02:51.25 | FromOnHigh | black13: Just a way to control the computing language, ya? |
| 02:51.33 | TimeKilla | when its done i get ide0: reset: master: error (0x00) and it repeats.... |
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| 02:51.49 | TimeKilla | Does this mean its having trouble communicating with my HDD? |
| 02:51.54 | aman | Wyzard: would that mean that CUPS doesn't work? Because I don't know how it's working, since CUPS is my only spooler. |
| 02:51.56 | FromOnHigh | black13: I sometimes think I'm the last person to be classicly trained in ASM. I see all these high level languages and I just shake my head. |
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| 02:52.05 | Wyzard | aman: "man lpr"... does the manpage say "Easy Software Products" at the top? |
| 02:52.22 | jasoncohen | TimeKilla, hey, what happened with the install? Was it a corrupted CD/finicky CD-ROM? |
| 02:52.24 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to get my extended keyboard working? I just want the volume up and volume down buttons to work.. |
| 02:52.24 | aman | It says "BSD General Commands Manual" |
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| 02:52.37 | jasoncohen | *finicky CD-ROM drive i mean |
| 02:52.38 | black13 | FromOnHigh, asm is good thing to have ... i have to work on slot machine that uses a serial protocol |
| 02:52.39 | Wyzard | aman: Then your lpr command comes from something other than CUPS |
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| 02:52.41 | TimeKilla | jason, i got it to work.. the cd rom was a weak image i believe. |
| 02:52.42 | tvn | technos: is NFS the most popular in such case ? |
| 02:52.56 | aman | Wyzard: Hmm.. so I can't just say for Open Office to use "lpr" as the command for printing? =/ |
| 02:52.59 | Wyzard | aman: dpkg -S lpr | grep /usr/bin/lpr |
| 02:53.09 | jasoncohen | TimeKilla, weak image? So you just burned a new image? Why did it verify then? |
| 02:53.20 | aman | lpr: /usr/bin/lpr |
| 02:53.21 | aman | lpr: /usr/bin/lprm |
| 02:53.21 | aman | gs-common: /usr/bin/lprsetup.sh |
| 02:53.30 | aman | clear; |
| 02:53.34 | aman | whoops sorry for the flood |
| 02:53.40 | black13 | FromOnHigh, asm gets you to think about numbers and registers |
| 02:53.44 | Wyzard | aman: You have the "lpr" spooler installed, which is different from and unrelated to CUPS |
| 02:53.48 | FromOnHigh | black13: Thats would be neat to work with. Ya, so I've been told about ASM. |
| 02:53.53 | TimeKilla | Its weird.. It was more likely that my cdrom drive was getting confused by requests or something.. maybe it wasn't the media |
| 02:53.58 | aman | Wyzard: Okay. So how do I get that integrated with Open Office and Firefox, and the like? |
| 02:53.59 | Wyzard | aman: I'd suggest removing that since it's old and crufty |
| 02:54.04 | technos | tvn: Yeah.. It's the oldest too.. Are you running all *nix machines or is it mixed win32/linux/mac/etc? You can also smbmount home and use win32 login scripts to handle it on that side. |
| 02:54.09 | Wyzard | aman: CUPS is better, once you configure it |
| 02:54.11 | black13 | FromOnHigh, asm you mean assembly |
| 02:54.29 | black13 | FromOnHigh, or somethign else, was i mistaken |
| 02:54.31 | aman | Wyzard: It's wierd.. because I did configure it and everything looks right -- but the test page doesn't print. |
| 02:54.33 | TimeKilla | at any rate it works.. but right now i've got a problem with the partition check: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:hda: irq timeout: |
| 02:54.40 | TimeKilla | the irq timeout repeats |
| 02:54.44 | technos | tvn: Or simultaneously export via NFS and SMB. |
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| 02:54.49 | tvn | technos: all linux machine running Debian Sarge , but not all machines are same hardware specs |
| 02:54.50 | FromOnHigh | black13: I mean assembly. Actually I first worked on Microsoft's Compiler. |
| 02:54.58 | FromOnHigh | MASM.. Oh.. Those were the days. |
| 02:54.59 | aman | Wyzard: What is the command for CUPS then? Because I definitely have a correctly-configured CUPS server. |
| 02:55.05 | Wyzard | aman: I'd recommend using Foomatic to configure CUPS... it supports a much wider range of printers than CUPS's web interface "natively" does |
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| 02:55.18 | aman | Wyzard: Okay. How do I do that? apt-get install foomatic? |
| 02:55.26 | FromOnHigh | black13: Just seeing something as high level as .Net and to a lesser extent Java, depresses me a bit. |
| 02:55.44 | technos | tvn: Welp.. Basically, just pick a beefy one, NFS export /home, and then force all the others to mount that export for their /home. |
| 02:55.45 | grelli | does anyone know what font is used in the debian logo? |
| 02:55.47 | Wyzard | aman: Install foomatic-db and foomatic-db-engine |
| 02:55.50 | mngrif | how would i go about getting the i586-linux* chain of gcc in debian? |
| 02:55.52 | tvn | technos: I am attempting to setup a cluster to do some research on parallel computing ... everything is done on my own budget so I also have to be the admin |
| 02:55.55 | black13 | FromOnHigh, so it goes |
| 02:56.07 | aman | Okay, thank you - will do. |
| 02:56.10 | aman | After that ... just run it? |
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| 02:57.13 | jasoncohen | is there a tool i could use to show all installed packages from the unstable distribution on my testing box? The only way i know of is to do apt-show-versions > output.txt and search the file for unstable. |
| 02:57.24 | Wyzard | aman: Look up your printer on linuxprinting.org... the Foomatic database is based on that, so it's an easy way to check the printer's name in the database, and what drivers it supports |
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| 02:57.31 | FromOnHigh | black13: So it goes. You'll have to take my ASM libraries from my cold dead fingers though. |
| 02:57.33 | Wyzard | aman: Then read the manpage for "foomatic-configure" |
| 02:57.37 | aman | Thank you for your help Wyzard. |
| 02:57.46 | technos | tvn: Yup.. Just use NFS then. There's a NFS HOWTO that'll show you how to export the directory and how to make the others mount it as /home. |
| 02:58.18 | Wyzard | aman: I don't remember all the options offhand, but basically you'll be telling it the device for your printer, its model name ("HP-LaserJet_1300" in my case), and which of possibly several drivers supported by that model ("Postscript" in my case) |
| 02:58.30 | TimeKilla | guys... At the partition check: i get |
| 02:58.31 | Wyzard | aman: and it'll configure a print queue into CUPS for you |
| 02:58.48 | TimeKilla | i keep getting irq timeouts any idea.. |
| 02:58.58 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Are they for hda or hdc? |
| 02:59.01 | TimeKilla | hda |
| 02:59.23 | tvn | technos: what about managing users on the network ? if I want to add a user on a machine, I want that user to be recognized by all other machines |
| 02:59.25 | TimeKilla | Its an older 2gb drive |
| 02:59.25 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: That's your hard drive, not your CD-ROM drive (unless you have a really weird setup) |
| 02:59.29 | aman | Wyzard: Thank you. I'll try that now. |
| 02:59.34 | TimeKilla | No its my hdd for certain. |
| 02:59.42 | FromOnHigh | black13: Good talking with ya. I need to get. Take care. |
| 02:59.51 | black13 | FromOnHigh, same take care |
| 02:59.56 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Could be a buggy drive, or a borderline IDE cable, or a poorly-supported IDE controller |
| 02:59.56 | TimeKilla | Just before the partition check it shows me HDA as its specs are. |
| 03:00.04 | TimeKilla | hmm |
| 03:00.09 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Yes, as I said, it's your hard drive, not your CD-ROM |
| 03:00.29 | TimeKilla | Once its tried 4 times it says hda: dma disabled. |
| 03:00.35 | TimeKilla | i'm going to wait and see if it can recover |
| 03:00.42 | magyar | what does this stand for "`basename $foo .dist`" |
| 03:00.43 | magyar | ? |
| 03:00.45 | aman | Wyzard: This is very confusing to me... |
| 03:00.46 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Does it issue any more errors after it disables DMA? |
| 03:00.51 | newdebusr | i want to upgrade my stable (woody) to stable sarge. however, i keep getting stuck when doing apt-get update it stops at 53% when apt-get updating. |
| 03:00.54 | TimeKilla | Yes it repeats the error |
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| 03:01.26 | TimeKilla | it only happens once in a while.. i had it do this yesterday on one of the boots and a hard shutdown fixed it. |
| 03:01.34 | Wyzard | aman: Run "foomatic-configure -O | less" and look through the big XML listing to find your printer |
| 03:01.42 | technos | tvn: At that point, you want to look into user replication or remote auth. |
| 03:01.49 | TimeKilla | i'll try the cable and maybe jumper settings on the drive now since its ot recovering. |
| 03:01.55 | Wyzard | aman: Note its <id> and the available <driver> entries |
| 03:02.30 | Wyzard | aman: If there are several drivers listed for your printer and you don't know which one you should use, look it up on linuxprinting.org to see what's recommended |
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| 03:02.49 | Wyzard | aman: Then use foomatic-configure to create a print queue with that model ID and driver |
| 03:02.50 | technos | Damn, out of smokes.. |
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| 03:03.41 | aman | Wyzard: I did that, but it's not letting me .. |
| 03:03.59 | aman | Wyzard: I'm messing the syntax or something... because something isn't allowing to run. |
| 03:04.10 | aman | foomatic-configure -L /dev/lp0 -d hpdj -p HP-DeskJet_932C |
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| 03:04.16 | aman | I run that, and ... well - it doesn't work. |
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| 03:04.27 | Shorty_ | anyone know what the IPtables::IPv4 module is in debian? |
| 03:04.43 | Wyzard | "/dev/lp0" should be given for the "-c" argument, not "-L" |
| 03:05.05 | TimeKilla | everyone cross their fingers plx |
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| 03:05.06 | Wyzard | "-L" is for an optional human-readable string describing where the printer is, such as "Aman's desk" or something |
| 03:05.15 | aman | Wyzard: I will try that. Thank you :) |
| 03:05.31 | TimeKilla | sweet that seemed to work. |
| 03:05.39 | aman | Still isn't working after changing it to -c |
| 03:05.42 | TimeKilla | I love my 3rd world hardware :) |
| 03:05.55 | Wyzard | aman: You also need to specify the name of the print queue, with "-n" |
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| 03:06.03 | Wyzard | aman: (whatever you want the printer to be called by CUPS) |
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| 03:06.53 | Wyzard | aman: In the foomatic-configure manpage, btw, I'm looking at the first example under the "synopsis" section |
| 03:06.54 | aman | I've got somewhere Wyzard :) It now says sh: line 1: /usr/bin/lpadmin: No such file or directory |
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| 03:07.21 | Wyzard | aman: lpadmin is in the cupsys-client package... if you don't have that already, you need to install it |
| 03:07.46 | Wyzard | aman: (cupsys-client contains the command-line tools for configuring and submitting print jobs to the CUPS server) |
| 03:07.46 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:07.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 03:07.54 | aman | lpadmin: add-printer (set device) failed: client-error-not-possible |
| 03:08.03 | aman | After apt-get installing that... got that error instead. |
| 03:08.09 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 03:08.14 | aman | Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/bin/foomatic-configure line 328.Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Foomatic/D |
| 03:08.29 | Wyzard | The warning is harmless... the problem is the "client-error-not-possible" |
| 03:08.52 | Wyzard | The cause might be the permission settings in cupsd.conf, but I'm not sure |
| 03:08.53 | TimeKilla | hey, i keep getting this error from inside gnome after first login: Could not look up internet address for (insert my name). This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding (*inserted again) to the file /etc/hosts. (then login anyway or try again) what does this mean, and how can i prevent it.? |
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| 03:09.30 | aman | Wyzard: I'll check that file. |
| 03:09.35 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: In your /etc/hosts file, make sure you have a line which says "127.0.0.1 <your hostname> localhost localhost.localdomain" |
| 03:10.02 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: It's created automatically when you install, but if you changed your hostname after installing or something, that line would need to be updated to reflect the new name |
| 03:10.20 | aman | Wyzard: What kind of permission settings? Like who is allowed to acess lpadmin? |
| 03:10.21 | TimeKilla | thanx man,, on it |
| 03:10.32 | Wyzard | aman: yeah... settings on who's allowed to connect to the daemon |
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| 03:10.56 | Wyzard | aman: I think the default settings allow connections from localhost, but I don't know for sure... it's been awhile since I configured CUPS myself |
| 03:10.59 | aman | Wyzard: Well I'm doing this as root. |
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| 03:11.14 | aman | As super user, rather. |
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| 03:11.15 | Wyzard | aman: doesn't matter |
| 03:11.50 | cdc | i want to mount my windows partitions i ve given this in my fstab is this right? |
| 03:11.57 | Wyzard | aman: root means permission from the operating system to do OS-level things like create and delete files... here we're talking about permission from an application |
| 03:11.57 | cdc | "/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_d auto rw,user umask=22,auto 0 0" |
| 03:12.01 | abrotman | who the hell is super user ? |
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| 03:12.18 | abrotman | i am ... SUPER USER!!!!!!! |
| 03:12.20 | Wyzard | aman: It's the same reason that running a web browser as root doesn't give you privileges on remote websites :-) |
| 03:12.30 | aman | # The default configuration requires a local connection from a user who |
| 03:12.30 | aman | # is a member of the system group to do any admin tasks. You can change |
| 03:12.30 | aman | # the group name using the SystemGroup directive. |
| 03:12.45 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:12.47 | Guerin | marvels |
| 03:12.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: i have a U on my chest .. and my battle vehicle is a short bus! |
| 03:13.05 | cdc | could anyone tell me whether this line is righ? |
| 03:13.14 | cdc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.23 | abrotman | is it ntfs ? |
| 03:13.29 | cdc | FAT32 |
| 03:13.35 | Guerin | cdc: need comma between user and umask |
| 03:13.37 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 03:13.38 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 03:13.44 | Guerin | and |
| 03:13.44 | astronut | is there any way to access something that was uploaded to ftp master but does not exist in the overrides? |
| 03:13.45 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 03:13.53 | aman | Where's the users file in Debian? |
| 03:13.57 | aman | Not finding it in /etc/users |
| 03:13.59 | abrotman | astronut: hack the planet! |
| 03:14.04 | Guerin | astronut: you can spiffle the wwiffle waffles |
| 03:14.04 | astronut | abrotman: funny |
| 03:14.05 | Wyzard | aman: /etc/passwd, but user accounts have nothing to do with CUPS |
| 03:14.08 | sparr_ | why is it that installing a make-kpkg'd package always screws up my grub configuration? not just incorrect devices for the new kernel, but it screws up the grub root and kernel root settings for my old kernels too. |
| 03:14.12 | astronut | Guerin: pardon? |
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| 03:14.19 | Guerin | astronut: my sentiments exactly. |
| 03:14.21 | jetscreamer | !beer Guerin |
| 03:14.23 | aman | Wyzard: oh. Well I don't see how else I can change it. |
| 03:14.24 | aman | Look at this |
| 03:14.24 | abrotman | sparr_: cuase .. you don't know what you're doing ? :) |
| 03:14.29 | Guerin | mmm, waffles |
| 03:14.33 | astronut | sparr_: run update-grub |
| 03:14.33 | aman | # Debian: The default CUPS group is "lpadmin". |
| 03:14.42 | Wyzard | sparr_: Installing a kernel .deb runs update-grub by default... read the manpage for that |
| 03:14.55 | cdc | Should i restart my system for the changes to take effect? |
| 03:15.04 | Guerin | !reboot |
| 03:15.08 | Wyzard | sparr_: Basically, the kernel entries in your grub config are regenerated from some special comments in the grub config file, and you probably need to edit those comments |
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| 03:15.22 | aman | Wyzard: Hmm.. I can get this to work on Gentoo - might as well just hold off until I can get Gentoo back on. |
| 03:15.35 | aman | I don't have time to work on this right now -- but I appreciate your help! |
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| 03:16.13 | gurubie | Doing an apt-get upgrade to Sid and it says is removing not upgrading most of the apps I use. Help? |
| 03:16.29 | cdc | i am unable to mount my directories when i say mount /mnt/win_d it gets mounted but when i open xmms and when i click on mnt directory to add the subdirectories in mnt/win_d i dont get the plus sign corresponding to the mnt/win_d directory how do i solve this ? could anyone help me pls? |
| 03:16.48 | pueblo | try an apt-get dist-upgrade to sid |
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| 03:17.11 | gurubie | Same thing and I have not let it yet BTW |
| 03:17.12 | Guerin | !reboot is <reply> you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd45 |
| 03:17.12 | dpkg | ...but reboot is already something else... |
| 03:17.19 | Guerin | dpkg, no, reboot is <reply> you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd45 |
| 03:17.20 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 03:17.25 | cdc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.30 | cdc | this is what i ve in my fstab file |
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| 03:18.18 | cdc | but this directory though it gets mounted in the command line but when i open xmms and try to add directories i dont get the plus sign at all |
| 03:18.23 | Guerin | cdc: what does 'mount' say? |
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| 03:18.54 | cdc | Guerin: i dont get any error while mounting . In the command line i am able to view the contents of the drive too |
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| 03:19.06 | Guerin | cdc: i blame xmms, then |
| 03:19.15 | kami15 | hola |
| 03:19.27 | TimeKilla | Scenario: I'm using gnome and i have to go away for weekend. I want to power down the computer. Is the fastest way to go to a terminal. Login as root, and then shutdown -r now? |
| 03:19.39 | sparr_ | ive compiled kernel 2.6.12-rc6 after running through 'make oldconfig' off a working config for kernel 2.6.10 and now when i boot it goes through a few screens of normal boot stuff then gets to where it says my root device/partition doesnt exist, tells me to adjust my root= kernel option, and then stops. ive eliminated every other drive and the problem persists, using the same root= parameter as |
| 03:19.39 | sparr_ | on my working 2.6.10 kernel. this makes me think possibly my ide controller isnt working, or ide-hd isnt working, or something of that nature. help? |
| 03:19.40 | TimeKilla | Is that the best way? |
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| 03:19.46 | Guerin | TimeKilla: just leave it running |
| 03:19.59 | TimeKilla | LOL |
| 03:20.05 | Guerin | and does gnome not have a shutdown menu? |
| 03:20.05 | cdc | Guerin: using konqueror too i am unable to view the contents it says access denied |
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| 03:20.16 | TimeKilla | I cna't find a shutdown option for gnome... |
| 03:20.22 | Guerin | cdc: but you can see them in cli as the same user? |
| 03:20.38 | gurubie | What going on with Sid? What different in light of Sarge stable? Why does an upgrade attempt to delete most of my programs? |
| 03:20.41 | Guerin | TimeKilla: either you're incurably stupid or gnome is |
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| 03:20.57 | cdc | gurubie: no as a normal user i am unable to view the contents |
| 03:20.58 | Guerin | gurubie: have you changed any of your sources? |
| 03:21.09 | cdc | Guerin: as a normal user i am unable to view the contents |
| 03:21.12 | TimeKilla | can i just logout and then power it off? |
| 03:21.29 | Guerin | cdc: which user owns the mountpoint? |
| 03:21.33 | Guerin | TimeKilla: no |
| 03:21.40 | Guerin | TimeKilla: you need to shut down properly |
| 03:21.46 | smacnay | is there a faq for idiots like myself about what to set all my old "testing" sources to in /etc/apt/sources.list, now that Sarge has been released. A lot of the old testing sources are coming back with "couldn't stat source package" errors. |
| 03:21.47 | cdc | dev/hda1 /mnt/win_d auto rw,user,umask=22,auto 0 0 |
| 03:21.51 | cdc | /dev/hda5 /mnt/win_e auto rw,user,umask=22,auto 0 0 |
| 03:21.51 | cdc | /dev/hda6 /mnt/win_e auto rw,user,umask=22,auto 0 0 |
| 03:21.56 | Guerin | cdc: is that the mount point? |
| 03:21.58 | gurubie | Yes I added new wine sources only. |
| 03:22.01 | cdc | this is my fstab file |
| 03:22.08 | Guerin | cdc: you fucking idiot, did I TELL you to paste that shit? |
| 03:22.11 | singe | Can anyone suggest a nice way to find unused packages and remove them. I don't mean unused as in they are not anything's dependency, I mean as in not used by users. I could check atimes, but I was wondering if there was a more elegant method? |
| 03:22.23 | cdc | Guerin: its /mnt/win_d |
| 03:22.25 | cdc | thats it |
| 03:22.32 | smacnay | singe: deborphan |
| 03:22.33 | Guerin | cdc: who fucking OWNS that dir |
| 03:22.38 | singe | smacnay: thank you |
| 03:22.42 | cdc | its root |
| 03:23.01 | Guerin | cdc: and you might also note that you have two drives pointing to the same mount point; that's unwise |
| 03:23.32 | Guerin | cdc: your umask specifies that non-root isn't allowed to access it at all; that's your problem. |
| 03:23.33 | black13 | can metalog be used like bootlog |
| 03:23.48 | cdc | Guerin: how do i change it? |
| 03:24.02 | Guerin | cdc: change the ownership or group id of the mount point |
| 03:24.12 | cdc | in my fstab file? |
| 03:24.14 | Guerin | cdc: man coreutils chown |
| 03:24.19 | Guerin | cdc: no, on the filesystem |
| 03:24.25 | Guerin | cdc: info coreutils chown |
| 03:24.30 | Guerin | not man, my stupid |
| 03:24.41 | TimeKilla | action>logout> details shows "Log out of this session to log in as a different user or to shut down the computer." So i do that and...it just takes me back to a login screen without any option to shutdown gnome. |
| 03:25.06 | Guerin | TimeKilla: gnome is fucking broken. |
| 03:25.13 | TimeKilla | oh |
| 03:25.20 | gravity | Yay etch! |
| 03:25.53 | cdc | Guerin: that does not work |
| 03:26.01 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Are you using GDM? |
| 03:26.03 | cdc | Guerin: i guess its a problem with my fstab file |
| 03:26.05 | TimeKilla | yes wyzard |
| 03:26.19 | TimeKilla | I need to know the correct way to shut down gnome and to shutdown my system. |
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| 03:26.31 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: That message you quoted is not quite what the logout window says... you should see three option buttons |
| 03:26.34 | Guerin | cdc: yes... you don't know what a umask is or does, so you've set it wrong |
| 03:26.55 | cdc | Guerin: how do i change it . I am new to Debian so kindly tell me |
| 03:27.11 | cdc | Guerin:what should i change in fstab so that i make this work |
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| 03:27.54 | TimeKilla | do i need to be logged in as root in order to shutdown gnome? |
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| 03:28.05 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: no |
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| 03:28.18 | gurubie | It appears three of my long time Sid sources (non-us) are gone, not on the server, file/dir not found. How do I fix this? |
| 03:28.29 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Choosing "shut down" (the middle of those 3 options) should be all you need |
| 03:28.36 | TimeKilla | Under actions, i got Lock screen and Log out |
| 03:28.39 | Wyzard | gurubie: non-US no longer exists... it's been merged into main |
| 03:28.51 | TimeKilla | So i click on logout. then i got Help cancel and ok |
| 03:28.53 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: And when you pick "log out", what do you see? |
| 03:28.58 | singe | I have another question. Is anyone running an organizational repository for lots of computers? How do the repository management tools compare to proprietry solutions (SUS for example). Is anyone generating management friendly reports from their repositories? |
| 03:29.02 | Guerin | !vfatrw |
| 03:29.02 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 03:29.08 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: No 3 option buttons in the logout window? |
| 03:29.20 | Guerin | cdc: umask=022 ; not 22 |
| 03:29.25 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: (labeled "log out", "shut down", and "restart the computer") |
| 03:29.28 | TimeKilla | Help Cancel and Ok where it says "are you sure you want to log out" |
| 03:29.53 | gurubie | Wyzard, Thank you. Should I just get rid of the linesand that's it? |
| 03:30.02 | TimeKilla | Wyzard I cannot find those options at all.. i would love it if i could. |
| 03:30.05 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Then your GNOME session was not launched by GDM, or (possibly) you're using some weird xsession which prevents GNOME from knowing it was launched by GDM |
| 03:30.10 | Wyzard | gurubie: yes |
| 03:30.40 | TimeKilla | I basically just installed using a netinst of sarge. |
| 03:30.57 | cdc | Guerin: i ve changed it but it still says access denied |
| 03:31.02 | cdc | should i restart my system? |
| 03:31.11 | TimeKilla | When i turn on the system it goes straight into gnome. |
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| 03:31.42 | gurubie | Can I continue to dist=upgrade SId as I've done for the last Six months or is something else changed with Sid? |
| 03:31.53 | Guerin | !reboot |
| 03:31.54 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd45 |
| 03:31.54 | sparr_ | GAH |
| 03:32.02 | sparr_ | i always forget that debian kernels use initrd |
| 03:32.42 | Guerin | dpkg, reboot =~ s/45/2/ |
| 03:32.42 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 03:33.30 | Guerin | cdc: ok. delete the mount point dir in /mnt |
| 03:33.54 | cdc | ok |
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| 03:34.36 | cdc | Guerin: it says device or resource busy |
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| 03:35.27 | Guerin | cdc: did you FUCKINGWELL unmount it before changing anything? |
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| 03:35.29 | Wyzard | gurubie: Now that sarge is released, some bigger changes will be going into sid in the near future, things that have been held off to avoid disrupting the release process |
| 03:36.28 | cdc | Guerin: if u dont know tell me that u dont know u idiot |
| 03:36.41 | Guerin | cdc: what makes you think I don' |
| 03:36.42 | Guerin | t know? |
| 03:36.43 | cdc | Guerin: do not simply try permutations and combinations |
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| 03:37.21 | paulswm | :( |
| 03:37.22 | Guerin | cdc: i'm not; I'm trying to do it from scratch the proper way, because you've clearly fucked it up in some way and have been utterly unable to tell me how. |
| 03:37.23 | Wyzard | lol |
| 03:37.25 | Guerin | oh well |
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| 03:37.33 | paulswm | !irritate Guerin |
| 03:37.34 | dpkg | Guerin: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses dvd lol |
| 03:37.34 | Guerin | !customer |
| 03:37.34 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 03:37.48 | nse | gurubie: I heard GNOME 2.10 is getting inside sid |
| 03:37.53 | cat_ | stupid connection |
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| 03:39.19 | dondelelcaro | nse: it's already in experimental. |
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| 03:40.53 | Hackel | Wow, non-us is no more? |
| 03:41.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell Hackel about crypto in main |
| 03:41.23 | Hackel | Cool. :) |
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| 03:42.05 | Guerin | whee, lots of sid changes |
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| 03:43.16 | bob2 | hm, should dist-upgrade again |
| 03:43.22 | bob2 | it's been like months |
| 03:43.30 | gurubie | If checked my sources list and the only change now is the removal of the non-us soources. Why is Sid's dist-upgrade planning to remove 393 packages (non upgrade, remove). Gaim for example. Can someone please explain what;s going on? |
| 03:43.35 | Supaplex | bob2: years ;) |
| 03:43.38 | Wyzard | I've heard that Eclipse 3.x packages are being worked on again, too |
| 03:43.40 | staniel | hello |
| 03:43.51 | bob2 | gurubie: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:43.54 | staniel | im trying to set up my ethernet card to handle 2 networks |
| 03:44.00 | bob2 | gurubie: (in #flood) |
| 03:44.05 | staniel | the first network is the internet, and the second is my internal network |
| 03:44.16 | Wyzard | gurubie: Probably conflicts due to an incomplete library transition or something... but I upgraded earlier today, and gaim wasn't touched |
| 03:44.20 | gurubie | join #flood |
| 03:44.24 | Supaplex | staniel: two on one nic? |
| 03:44.35 | Wyzard | staniel: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 03:44.39 | TimeKilla | Ok, i found out something on the net about gnome.. it says this on one bug list: [gnome-session]: Options for shutting down or rebooting will not appear on logout unless GDM is running on the same machine. |
| 03:44.42 | Wyzard | staniel: or FireHOL if your needs are above the basic level |
| 03:44.44 | staniel | im able to set up an alias and the private network works fine, but it will not go out into the net |
| 03:44.46 | Guerin | staniel: how're you planning on plugging two ethernet cables in? |
| 03:44.55 | staniel | Guerin: I don't need to |
| 03:44.58 | bob2 | TimeKilla: ah |
| 03:44.59 | staniel | Guerin: I have a switch |
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| 03:45.18 | TimeKilla | what can I do to get GDM running instead of whatever i got running now? |
| 03:45.34 | Supaplex | staniel: then you'll need to use ipaliasing. eth0 and eth0:1 |
| 03:45.35 | Supaplex | staniel: assuming it's only one nic |
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| 03:45.38 | staniel | Supaplex: read, I said I did that |
| 03:45.41 | Wyzard | staniel: Running two logical networks on one physical switch won't work unless you use vlans, and you'd have to configure all your other computers to use the vlans too |
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| 03:45.47 | staniel | Supaplex: yes, it is one nic |
| 03:45.49 | Wyzard | staniel: much easier to just install a second network card |
| 03:46.05 | staniel | Wyzard: want to send me a nic card? |
| 03:46.12 | Supaplex | ha |
| 03:46.16 | Wyzard | staniel: No, but you can get them pretty cheaply |
| 03:46.21 | Guerin | staniel: go to the damn shop and buy a rlt8139 for $5 |
| 03:46.26 | Hackel | staniel: I was doing that for a while, and it worked actually, but opted for a 2nd nic as well. |
| 03:46.29 | Guerin | cheapskate mofo |
| 03:46.30 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: What does your login screen look like? |
| 03:46.40 | TimeKilla | one sec i'll logout again |
| 03:46.44 | paulswm | I'm off, have a relaxed day Guerin :P |
| 03:46.53 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Actually, just try this... apt-get install --purge gdm xdm- |
| 03:46.55 | staniel | Supaplex: have you done this before? |
| 03:46.57 | Guerin | paulswm: heh, half my work has been cancelled again :) |
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| 03:47.08 | paulswm | Heh |
| 03:47.12 | gurubie | bob2, Got it? |
| 03:47.13 | Guerin | (paid) |
| 03:47.22 | paulswm | !win Guerin |
| 03:47.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:47.32 | Guerin | well, not paid THAT much |
| 03:47.37 | bob2 | gurubie: yup |
| 03:47.47 | bob2 | gurubie: that is weird then |
| 03:47.52 | staniel | what is happenind is when I go to another computer, that is behind my comp here, it only pulls up the information from here.. rather than go out to the net |
| 03:48.04 | Supaplex | staniel: plenty. just set it up in /etc/network/interfaces. Are you trying to perform NAT on this machine? |
| 03:48.19 | staniel | Supaplex: uh, nope |
| 03:48.28 | sean_micken | what's "startup notification" ? |
| 03:48.29 | staniel | I have static IP's set for all my computer |
| 03:48.51 | Wyzard | staniel: Static IPs have nothing to do with NAT |
| 03:49.13 | Supaplex | dhcp or not, you can do NAT |
| 03:49.16 | staniel | 192.168.15.X 192.168.15.5 being the router, 192.168.15.10-20 for my computers |
| 03:49.27 | astronut | wtf? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=126519 |
| 03:49.31 | Wyzard | sean_micken: It's showing a "busy" cursor or a splash screen during the time between when you launch a program and when its window appears on the screen, so you can tell that the app is starting |
| 03:49.36 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 126519 |
| 03:49.42 | dpkg | #126519:N[xlibmesa-dri] xlibmesa-dri [i810] hardware 3D acceleration doesn't work on i810e [regression from XFree86 4.0.2] (upstream) Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:18:03 UTC |
| 03:49.46 | sean_micken | Wyzard, ohhh... ok, thanks. |
| 03:49.47 | staniel | Supaplex: no, I don't think im doing NAT though |
| 03:49.59 | samuel | sup all |
| 03:50.00 | cthulfuego | dondelelcaro: Isn't that a hardware bug? ;-) |
| 03:50.06 | samuel | ive got an odd problem |
| 03:50.26 | Wyzard | staniel: If you're trying to let your whole network access the Internet, and you're using non-routable IP addresses on your LAN, then you need NAT |
| 03:50.33 | samuel | im not sure what it is... my monitor shows small wavy lines all the time??? |
| 03:50.37 | samuel | what gives? |
| 03:50.40 | Hackel | So is gnome 2.10 only partially in sid? |
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| 03:50.51 | cthulfuego | !sid |
| 03:50.52 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 03:50.59 | Wyzard | Hackel: It's in experimental, and will be going into sid sometime probably not too far in the future |
| 03:51.04 | staniel | Wyzard: got a howto handy for that? |
| 03:51.05 | Supaplex | staniel: are you trying to share internet access to those machines? |
| 03:51.13 | Wyzard | staniel: Not offhand, no |
| 03:51.15 | staniel | Supaplex: yep |
| 03:51.34 | Wyzard | staniel: but the "ipmasq" package is meant to help set up basic NAT with minimal effort |
| 03:51.42 | nse | Hackel: some libraries are still getting inside sid as the time passes within a few days |
| 03:51.47 | Hackel | Hmm, I set experimental to a low priority, I wonder why apt is trying to install it. |
| 03:51.53 | holo | samuel: ctrl+alt+f1 and ctrl+alt+f7 and see if it works, it worked in my laptop screen |
| 03:51.59 | Hackel | nse: Ahh, okay thanks. |
| 03:52.18 | samuel | holo, switch to the terminal? |
| 03:52.26 | TimeKilla | so apt-get install --purge gdm xdm- basically replaces my xdm with gdm? |
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| 03:52.31 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: correct |
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| 03:52.33 | Supaplex | staniel: try the ipmasq package first, or if you want to do the the slighly more involved way, check out the iptables docs |
| 03:52.36 | TimeKilla | excellent. |
| 03:52.47 | holo | samuel: yeah |
| 03:53.00 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: That might also remove the "x-window-system" package, which is an empty package that exists just to pull other things in as dependencies; that's harmless |
| 03:53.03 | holo | samuel: and then switch back, just try |
| 03:53.18 | samuel | holo, nope... same |
| 03:53.21 | TimeKilla | I also have another question.. (since that will fix the problem). When i get to my login screen... its in a different resolution than the desktop resolution is. How can i adjust the default resolution for login? |
| 03:53.23 | holo | samuel: ok :\ |
| 03:53.25 | Hackel | Is there an apt preference to default to purge instead of remove? |
| 03:53.34 | holo | samuel: crt or tft? |
| 03:53.36 | samuel | odd question: whats the new name for unstable? |
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| 03:53.44 | samuel | holo, crt |
| 03:53.44 | holo | samuel: sid |
| 03:53.47 | holo | ok |
| 03:53.48 | witten | samuel: same name |
| 03:53.54 | Wyzard | Hackel: I'm pretty sure there is, though I don't know offhand what it's called |
| 03:53.56 | witten | samuel: testing is etch |
| 03:54.10 | samuel | ooh so unstable is ALWAYS sid |
| 03:54.13 | holo | samuel: sid is always Still Under Development |
| 03:54.15 | samuel | i didnt know |
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| 03:54.41 | Wyzard | samuel: Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story", and Sid is the unstable boy next door who breaks all his toys |
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| 03:54.43 | staniel | Supaplex: thanks |
| 03:54.43 | gravity | Even when it's the right backronym |
| 03:55.21 | witten | one might worry that eventually they'd run out of toy story characters, but at debian's release rate, the heat death of the universe is probably a bigger worry |
| 03:55.43 | samuel | Wyzard, im going to start a petition to change that... id like to see debian releases named after red dwarf characters |
| 03:55.52 | holo | samuel: try to know hsync and vsync ranges of your monitor from the manufacturer site, or google |
| 03:55.53 | samuel | or even beter... abfab characters |
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| 03:56.15 | sparr_ | is there any quick way to get the kernel compile option name from a module name? |
| 03:56.18 | samuel | holo, ill look into that, i was just thinking that may be it, thx |
| 03:56.29 | Bac9 | is there no more non-us? |
| 03:56.47 | Wyzard | samuel: I think it'd be amusing to see Debian releases named after anime characters, but I'm not going to start a petition to arbitrarily change a convention that's well-established and understood by a large number of people |
| 03:57.08 | holo | lol |
| 03:57.10 | Wyzard | Bac9: /topic |
| 03:57.20 | Supaplex | stouset: no problem. =) btw, value and cherish the 150+ someodd page reference for iptables. it's a good read. |
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| 03:57.47 | holo | but i agree that they would sound less childish with anime caracters than toy story ones :x |
| 03:57.56 | Bac9 | Wyzard: oh ok, I though there were 25 packages that still remained in non-us, when did they get merged? |
| 03:57.58 | sparr_ | with a debian release every few years toy story characters will last at least another century :) |
| 03:57.59 | samuel | Wyzard, hahaha, fair enough |
| 03:58.09 | Wyzard | sparr_: No, the compile option names are chosen by humans, and not related to the module names by a strict rule |
| 03:58.23 | Wyzard | Bac9: dunno, check debian-devel list archives |
| 03:58.26 | sparr_ | Wyzard: this makes figuring out which options i need to compile into my kernel very difficult :( |
| 03:58.33 | Bac9 | Wyzard: thanx for the info |
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| 03:58.52 | nse | samuel: maybe that' not a good idea, they should be named in order to all the people around the world understand them, me for exemple, wtf are red dwarf or abfab? |
| 03:59.01 | Wyzard | sparr_: Only if you have modules loaded that you don't know what they do |
| 03:59.27 | ethics | bac9: i belive the nonfree directories still exist on the server but the links have all been changed around ....... |
| 03:59.44 | whm | someone know tcl script? |
| 03:59.47 | ethics | bac9: it no longer needs a seperate reference |
| 03:59.47 | Wyzard | holo: Hey, then I could go to Otakon wearing a big red swirl... |
| 03:59.49 | holo | i didn't see toy story and i live in planet earth |
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| 04:00.07 | Bac9 | ethics: nope, no testing or etch on the non-free servers |
| 04:00.18 | sparr_ | Wyzard: i have plenty. my new kernel cant find my hard drive. im trying to figure out which options to compile in. i figure everything lsmod lists under ide-core is a good place to start, buti cant even match half of them up to kernel options |
| 04:00.20 | Bac9 | ethics: non-us that is |
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| 04:00.43 | Hyde | is sarge now stable? |
| 04:00.44 | Wyzard | sparr_: Then a good place to start is researching the modules you currently use |
| 04:00.51 | holo | Hyde: yeah. |
| 04:00.52 | Wyzard | Hyde: /topic |
| 04:00.53 | nse | Hyde: yes it is |
| 04:00.58 | Hyde | hmmm |
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| 04:01.23 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you there? |
| 04:01.44 | Hyde | and woody is oldstable? |
| 04:01.51 | hoopy | Where is the default apache config file for debian? I want to set up subversion to where i can access it remotely |
| 04:01.53 | Supaplex | wahou, gravity is our new cheerleader |
| 04:02.08 | ethics | Bac9: bad explaination....non-us are now in a non-us directory on the normal main servers....but in a seperate directory by the looks of it.....but linked into main....ie identifyable on the servers and when distributing but not any diffent to any other program via apt |
| 04:02.11 | gravity | Supaplex: I'm still riding high on the release :-) |
| 04:02.13 | Bac9 | hool: /etc/apache/ |
| 04:02.17 | bob2 | Hyde: oldoldoldoldoldstable |
| 04:02.20 | bob2 | Hyde: (yes) |
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| 04:02.22 | Supaplex | Hyde: correct. it's legacy. |
| 04:02.35 | bob2 | hoopy: you mean apache2 then? /etc/apache2/apache.conf |
| 04:02.40 | whm | someone know tcl script? |
| 04:02.43 | Hyde | cool |
| 04:02.44 | hoopy | yes apache2 |
| 04:02.44 | stouset | Someone said my name =\ |
| 04:02.46 | Supaplex | gravity: some of jumped into sarge before all the hooplah :) |
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| 04:02.55 | Guerin | whm: someone wrote it, so I guess so. |
| 04:02.55 | Supaplex | !say stouset |
| 04:02.56 | dpkg | stouset |
| 04:03.06 | gurubie | I'm guessing I need to add testing and stable sources to my unstable (Sid) install now that Sagre is stable, right? |
| 04:03.11 | stouset | Bastards. |
| 04:03.15 | Bac9 | ethics: checking... |
| 04:03.20 | Supaplex | gothtec: there is no sagre |
| 04:03.21 | Guerin | gurubie: hell no. |
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| 04:03.30 | holo | gurubie: wtf |
| 04:03.32 | Guerin | !guess |
| 04:03.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 04:03.42 | Wyzard | gurubie: If you're running sid, there's no point having stable/testing sources because the software there is always older anyway |
| 04:03.46 | Bac9 | ethics: don't see any non-us subdirectories |
| 04:03.47 | Guerin | gurubie: you should remove unstable and just run sarge |
| 04:03.48 | ethics | Bac9 i havent looked today but yesterday people were saying the directories were there...... |
| 04:03.48 | nse | gurubie: just if you want it. what's the point? |
| 04:03.52 | Bac9 | ethics: where do you see them? |
| 04:03.58 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how I can get the names of the keyboard buttons for setting up Hotkeys in fluxbox... I have a extended keyboard with a "Play" button and volume controls at the top... how do I know what to call those when I am settings up the ~/.fluxbox/keys file? |
| 04:04.08 | ethics | Bac9: may have just been part of the release migrations... |
| 04:04.09 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: xev |
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| 04:04.26 | ethics | bac9: they are rolled into main properly now by the looks |
| 04:04.27 | Bac9 | ethics: maybe... but I don't see them now in testing |
| 04:04.32 | Wyzard | Guerin: won't work if he already has packages that are "past sarge" |
| 04:04.38 | Guerin | Wyzard: that's true |
| 04:04.38 | nse | whm: it'll be better for you to ask a question, not to ask if somebody knows how to answer you |
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| 04:04.44 | Bac9 | ethics: in any event they were claming only 25 packages in non-us |
| 04:04.54 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: thanks... do I need to setup a special setting for xserver to realize that I have those extra keys? |
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| 04:05.03 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: no idea |
| 04:05.05 | Weems | is there a debian wiki? |
| 04:05.10 | Guerin | !faq |
| 04:05.10 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 04:05.16 | gurubie | Well, i don't want to repeat a question but my Sid upgrade is still saying it will delete 393 of my used packages (such as Gaim and Digicam). Uncool a hell. Does any one know what to do? |
| 04:05.17 | Guerin | Wyzard: also wiki.debian.net |
| 04:05.24 | sparr_ | how can i build an initrd with make-kpkg? |
| 04:05.28 | Guerin | gurubie: just wait. |
| 04:05.35 | Bac9 | TwistedEmotions: xmodmap |
| 04:05.36 | Guerin | sparr_: man make-kpkg |
| 04:05.38 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: ;) Thankx... |
| 04:05.48 | TwistedEmotions | Bac9: will try that too.. thanks |
| 04:05.49 | Wyzard | gurubie: Wait a few days and see if it's resolved |
| 04:05.57 | bob2 | sparr_: --initrd |
| 04:06.00 | gurubie | Guerin, Yes I can see that might be wise but wtf? |
| 04:06.02 | bob2 | sparr_: but it's best to avoid it entirely |
| 04:06.04 | TimeKilla | Everyone: Thank you for you for supporting me in learning this. Once again, my problem was solved with your assistance. |
| 04:06.09 | Guerin | gurubie: welcome to Life With Sid |
| 04:06.14 | Wyzard | gurubie: The usual reason for sid upgrades wanting to remove important packages is library transitions that are in-progress but not yet complete |
| 04:06.39 | Bac9 | anyone know when testing will start getting updates again? no updates today |
| 04:06.41 | gurubie | Guerin, Yea well Sid hasn't done this to me in SIx months so there you go. |
| 04:06.46 | Guerin | whereas MY sid dist-upgrade is going smoothly... |
| 04:06.57 | bob2 | Bac9: hasn't been announced yet, presumably when the release team regain conciousness |
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| 04:07.12 | Wyzard | gurubie: That's because package maintainers were holding off on the "bigger" updates to avoid disrupting the sarge release preparations |
| 04:07.14 | Guerin | gurubie: pity you didn't take that 6 months to get to know how apt actually works... |
| 04:07.14 | nse | gurubie: from my experience sid sometimes do very weird things, if you're asking such a question you should downgrade your box to etch |
| 04:07.18 | Bac9 | bob2: damn need for sleep always getting in the way :-) |
| 04:07.33 | sparr_ | bob2: i agree, but im tired of compiling and rebooting using trial and error to figure out what drivers i need to boot without it. |
| 04:07.37 | Guerin | Bac9: not sleep. Drunken coma. |
| 04:07.38 | Wyzard | gurubie: Now is the time when all those bigger changes, that have been waiting in the wings, start actually going into sid |
| 04:07.39 | gurubie | Wyzard, OK thanks for your time, I'll try again tomorrow. I guess I understand now, it being converted or something. |
| 04:07.52 | Wyzard | gurubie: GNOME 2.10 is starting to go in, I think |
| 04:07.58 | sparr_ | bob2: until someone comes up with a workinginitrd->noinitrd configurator im stuck on initrd |
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| 04:08.04 | Bac9 | Guerin: unconcious never the less, the route is not really important |
| 04:08.21 | bob2 | sparr_: why are you building one at all then? |
| 04:08.22 | Wyzard | gurubie: At some point there'll be a GCC transition that will require recompiling and re-uploading all C++ packages |
| 04:08.23 | Guerin | Bac9: i disagree most vehemently |
| 04:08.32 | Bac9 | Guerin: how so? |
| 04:08.39 | sparr_ | bob2: building an initrd? so i can boot the new kernel |
| 04:08.51 | bob2 | sparr_: why did you compile the new kernel? |
| 04:08.58 | sparr_ | bob2: broken drivers in my current kernel |
| 04:09.06 | Wyzard | sparr_: Switching to not use initrd is easy... just compile a kernel with the necessary drivers built-in, and boot it |
| 04:09.30 | Bac9 | Wyzard: what did they change in gcc4? |
| 04:09.37 | sparr_ | Wyzard: sure, it sounds so easy. im 5 recompiles into the "figure out which drivers are necessary" process with no end in sight. |
| 04:09.39 | trave11er | sparr_: initrd itself is generated on the fly when you install kernel-image deb |
| 04:09.48 | sparr_ | trave11er: no, its not. |
| 04:09.52 | Bac9 | Wyzard: why was it nessesary to change the abi again? |
| 04:09.52 | catalyst | bob2: we dont need non-us in sources.list? main and non-us been merged? |
| 04:09.55 | trave11er | sparr_: yes it is :-) |
| 04:09.58 | bob2 | catalyst: yes |
| 04:09.59 | Guerin | Bac9: sleep actually makes you feel better when you come out of it. drunken coma just stops you from dying (hopefully) |
| 04:10.00 | sparr_ | trave11er: then why dont i have one? |
| 04:10.09 | Wyzard | sparr_: Once you've compiled a few custom kernels it's not very difficult... it's a useful skill to develop |
| 04:10.13 | bob2 | sparr_: --initrd then, but be aware the kernel.org source won't work |
| 04:10.14 | trave11er | if you build with make-kpkg --initrd |
| 04:10.18 | catalyst | bob2: ok :) |
| 04:10.19 | bob2 | sparr_: afaik you need the debian kernel source |
| 04:10.19 | Wyzard | Bac9: ABI change, but I don't know the technical reasons |
| 04:10.30 | sparr_ | bob2: debian doesnt have a kernel source for the 2.6.12 rc's :( |
| 04:10.35 | Guerin | bob2: for make-kpkg or in general? |
| 04:10.36 | trave11er | bob2: kernel.org source will work fine |
| 04:10.37 | sparr_ | bob2: can i get the cramfs patch seperately? |
| 04:10.43 | Bac9 | Guerin: helps if you don't finish the bottle before falling into the coma, something left for the next day :-) |
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| 04:10.51 | Bac9 | Wyzard: oh ok |
| 04:10.53 | bob2 | trave11er: no need for initrd patches anymore? |
| 04:10.53 | Guerin | Bac9: famous last words |
| 04:11.01 | bob2 | Guerin: hm, I thought you need special debian initrd patches |
| 04:11.03 | trave11er | bob2: for 2.6 - no |
| 04:11.04 | Guerin | oh, for initrd |
| 04:11.14 | grexk | can some one help me with my X Server... |
| 04:11.18 | Bac9 | Guerin: which are? |
| 04:11.19 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, I don't know because i never build those |
| 04:11.22 | sparr_ | Wyzard: ive compiled dozens of custom kernels. and ive never gotten one that would boot without everything compiled in, or an initrd. |
| 04:11.22 | kingsley_ | Can cups work without /etc/cups/classes.conf? |
| 04:11.36 | gurubie | Wyzard, does this mean the success LEVEL I'm had with Sid was just because of the hold off and now SId is at it's worse (and won't be as good until the next release is due) or will it settle back down within a week or so? |
| 04:11.42 | Guerin | Bac9: 13:09:03 < Bac9> Guerin: helps if [...] |
| 04:11.49 | nse | grexk: ask your question, be specific |
| 04:11.50 | bob2 | trave11er: ah |
| 04:11.51 | Bac9 | Wyzard: what's wrong with tmpfs? or do you meen to substitute ramfs? |
| 04:11.56 | bob2 | sparr_: ok, it should work, I'm wrong |
| 04:12.03 | Wyzard | sparr_: The only things you need compiled in are your IDE drivers (or SCSI, if you boot from SCSI) and your root filesystem |
| 04:12.06 | sparr_ | bob2: cool. im recompiling for initrd now |
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| 04:12.08 | bucky | bob2 you need cramfs and ram disk built into the kernel |
| 04:12.16 | trave11er | Wyzard: they _do_ include cramfs. for older kernels, <= 2.4.27, i think, there are some debian-specific cramfs patches, which are working around some braindeadness in the toolchain |
| 04:12.22 | Bac9 | Guerin: who'ss last words though? (as they are definitly not my _last_ words) |
| 04:12.22 | Guerin | gurubie: sid is getting back to normal now. He's been tranquilised so he doesn't kill the newborn. |
| 04:12.29 | Solet | hey what is the "business card" cd iso on debian's download page? |
| 04:12.30 | Hackel | gurubie: If the next release is in 3 years, sid will settle down to the way it was in about 2.5 years. :-P |
| 04:12.32 | bob2 | bucky: right |
| 04:12.36 | Guerin | Bac9: they could be :) |
| 04:12.41 | sparr_ | Wyzard: sure. which ide drivers? i look at lsmod on my working kernel and see 20 modules under ide-core. ive enabled every one i can find in the kernel config, but i cant find over half of them |
| 04:12.43 | Guerin | !famous last words |
| 04:12.44 | dpkg | < dafen> anyways, if I use laptop, I don't need a journal file system right? < dafen> since under no circumstence, I'll loose power |
| 04:12.48 | Wyzard | gurubie: Probably more like a month or two before all the big changes are done, but that's a very rough estimate from someone who isn't involved in actually making any of the changes |
| 04:12.49 | Bac9 | Guerin: should I be expecting something? |
| 04:12.59 | Guerin | Bac9: don't worry... |
| 04:13.01 | sparr_ | solet: the net install disc, and then some, should fit on a business card |
| 04:13.01 | bucky | Bac9, non-us ? |
| 04:13.18 | grexk | I append vga=773 on my menu.lst, but when i boot my X sever crashes @NSE |
| 04:13.23 | Wyzard | sparr_: Use lspci to find what IDE chipset you have, and include the driver for that |
| 04:13.34 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here who's using cups *not* have a /etc/cups/classes.conf? |
| 04:13.36 | Wyzard | sparr_: That plus ide-disk should be all you need |
| 04:13.38 | Bac9 | Guerin: what, it'll be nice fast and painless? |
| 04:13.40 | gurubie | How do I change to testing now? Is testing fubar too? |
| 04:13.41 | Guerin | what is @NSE? |
| 04:13.49 | Bac9 | bucky: what bout non-us? |
| 04:13.54 | grexk | to nse |
| 04:13.55 | Guerin | Bac9: /msg dpkg famous last words |
| 04:13.56 | Wyzard | gurubie: Testing, as always, is shielded from major brokennes in sid |
| 04:14.04 | sparr_ | Wyzard: i already have. and then some |
| 04:14.08 | Hackel | gurubie: I had to put libgnomevfs2-0 on hold, that might fix it for you. |
| 04:14.11 | nse | grexk: NOT to me, to the channel, please,, |
| 04:14.13 | bucky | Bac9, http://lwn.net/Articles/137411/ they phased it out |
| 04:14.25 | bucky | #25 |
| 04:14.29 | sparr_ | Wyzard: im using an nvidia controller, so i enabled nvidia/amd ide. and for some reason the VIA drivers are loaded too, so i compiled those in. |
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| 04:14.37 | gurubie | Hackel, THanks yes i run apt-listbugs so I pin packs as needed. |
| 04:14.39 | Bac9 | Guerin: and what do I have to do with that? |
| 04:15.04 | Guerin | Bac9: does it hurt to be this stupid? It's hurting ME, it must be hell for you... |
| 04:15.04 | Wyzard | sparr_: You don't need a VIA driver unless you have a VIA chipset |
| 04:15.09 | gurubie | Hackel, Oh you mean in Sid? |
| 04:15.09 | Solet | does anyone know what the "business card" cd iso on debian's download page is? |
| 04:15.14 | xtension | lol |
| 04:15.22 | sparr_ | Wyzard: so one would think... so why is the module loaded? |
| 04:15.23 | Hackel | gurubie: yes, to avoid uninstalling gnome 2.8. |
| 04:15.27 | Bac9 | bucky: yeah I kbew they were phasing it out, just didn't know they already did it |
| 04:15.28 | Guerin | Solet: it's a cd image which fits on a businesscard-sized cd |
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| 04:15.39 | sparr_ | Wyzard: you keep stating the obvious. assume ive already TRIED the obvious. |
| 04:15.40 | bucky | Solet, http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 04:15.46 | Bac9 | Guerin: stupidity/sleepiness what's the diff |
| 04:15.56 | Guerin | sleepiness is curable |
| 04:16.07 | Wyzard | sparr_: Well, I don't have experience with nforce |
| 04:16.11 | Bac9 | Guerin: some places in the world it's not the middle of the day |
| 04:16.14 | gpm | hey, if people upgrade their gnome with sid, it breaks because of the transition to 2.10, you might want to put that into /topic |
| 04:16.17 | Solet | guerin: does it netinstall the same as the normal netinstall |
| 04:16.18 | Wyzard | sparr_: but I've done it just fine on a VIA KT133 system |
| 04:16.22 | nse | sid is going to kill everybody |
| 04:16.30 | sparr_ | Wyzard: it Just Works with the debian everything-as-a-module-with-initrd kernel-image |
| 04:16.34 | gravity | heh... you kids and your lack of preparedness for sid breakages |
| 04:16.41 | sparr_ | ide_core 132236 28 ide_cd,ide_generic,via82cxxx,trm290,triflex,slc90e66,sis5513,siimage,serverworks,sc1200,rz1000,piix,pdc202xx_old,opti621,ns87415,hpt366,ide_disk,hpt34x,generic,cy82c693,cs5530,cs5520,cmd64x,atiixp,amd74xx,alim15x3,aec62xx,pdc202xx_new |
| 04:16.43 | gravity | Like coming home :-) |
| 04:16.46 | sparr_ | those are the ide modules i have loaded |
| 04:16.52 | trave11er | gravity: teach us, master gravity =) |
| 04:16.52 | gpm | oh i have a backup wm |
| 04:16.53 | sparr_ | with my stock debian kernel image |
| 04:16.55 | gpm | i'm just saying |
| 04:17.01 | gpm | gnome is a pretty big deal for a lot of users |
| 04:17.02 | Wyzard | sparr_: However, even though I've had it working without initrd, I currently use initrd anyway just because I like not having stuff compiled statically into the kernel |
| 04:17.03 | gravity | trave11er: pwm is the way :-) |
| 04:17.11 | Guerin | Solet: the bizcard doesn't have base on it, so you NEED a working network to install |
| 04:17.16 | trave11er | gravity: what's pwm? |
| 04:17.19 | Bac9 | Guerin: well we'll see if I get cured i the morning |
| 04:17.19 | gravity | gpm: If a user is fully tied to gnome, then they shouldn't be on unstable |
| 04:17.51 | TwistedEmotions | Bac9: xmodmap doesnt recognize those special keys on my keyboard... do I need to set something up through xserver first? |
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| 04:17.51 | gravity | trave11er: An out of date wm that I maintain because I love it and keep it around for when gnome breaks :-) |
| 04:17.52 | gravity | trave11er: It's also the predecessor of ion. |
| 04:17.52 | Guerin | bob2: add to topic "Sid back to normal" |
| 04:17.52 | trave11er | ah |
| 04:17.52 | gpm | gravity: well yeah, they should be on ubuntu, but that won't stop them |
| 04:17.52 | Bac9 | TwistedEmotions: xmodmap lets you associate them with a value, you actualy get the keysym from xev |
| 04:17.56 | Hyde | im trying to set up my internet and put auto eth0 - iface eth0 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces, im using a usb to connect so i loaded usbcore, and a couple of usb modules but when i do ifup eth0 it says "Listening on LPF/eth0/ff:ff:ff:ff:ff" then eth0 command did not complete, can anyone help me |
| 04:18.01 | Solet | guerin: ok so if i'm going to have to fight with my wifi card it wont work for me |
| 04:18.10 | Wyzard | gravity: One can be not "fully tied" to GNOME but still severely inconvenienced by it not working |
| 04:18.11 | Guerin | Solet: right. get a real eth card. |
| 04:18.12 | gravity | gpm: More like testing |
| 04:18.14 | sparr_ | i have no idea what 'triflex' is |
| 04:18.15 | TwistedEmotions | Bac9: is xev a apt package ? I cant find it.. |
| 04:18.16 | gravity | gpm: Or stable |
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| 04:18.21 | sparr_ | or slc90e66 |
| 04:18.24 | sparr_ | or sc1200 |
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| 04:18.30 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: it's in xbase-clients |
| 04:18.30 | sparr_ | or ns87415 |
| 04:18.30 | TwistedEmotions | Bac9: Just kidding I found it |
| 04:18.33 | ethics | sparr: you dont use sound do you? |
| 04:18.33 | Solet | guerin: you mean hard line? |
| 04:18.34 | gravity | Wyzard: There's tons of alternatives, like kde, or the lighter wm's that work just fine |
| 04:18.35 | Bac9 | TwistedEmotions: it's packages with X, should be there if you have X |
| 04:18.36 | gurubie | Well, I either wait or set to "testing" Etch right? I suppose testing is what unstable was now right? So I guess I would not be dowgrading anything and causing problems. Is that what you meant? |
| 04:18.42 | Guerin | Solet: yes. Real. |
| 04:18.43 | gravity | Wyzard: It's not that huge an inconvenience |
| 04:18.52 | sparr_ | hotplug/discover apparently think i need those modules, but i have no idea what they have to do with my ide controller |
| 04:18.57 | sparr_ | ethics: yes, i do, why? |
| 04:18.58 | Guerin | gurubie: don't mix sources. |
| 04:19.03 | Guerin | gurubie: just fucking wait |
| 04:19.04 | TwistedEmotions | Bac9: I found it... thanks.. It works.. |
| 04:19.05 | Solet | guerin: this house is way to big to be fucked with hard line |
| 04:19.09 | Wyzard | gravity: lol... I'm not going to install all of KDE just to use for a day or two if GNOME were broken |
| 04:19.10 | gpm | gravity: well, if they're "fully tied to GNOME," they really belong with ubuntu, don't you think? |
| 04:19.11 | Guerin | !tell gurubie about sid faq |
| 04:19.22 | ethics | sparr: oss driver for via onboardsound via82xxxxx..... |
| 04:19.32 | gravity | Wyzard: Try something lighter :-) You should have one of those lying around just in case anyway |
| 04:19.38 | Hyde | any suggestions? |
| 04:19.40 | gpm | gravity: i wouldn't recommend debian to DE-addicts, as there is some work that has to be done with CLI sometimes |
| 04:19.46 | gravity | gpm: What's wrong with testing for those people? |
| 04:20.00 | ethics | sparr_ you wont need that or oss support in your kernel for sound....alsa hates it |
| 04:20.03 | sparr_ | ethics: no, thats the driver for the via ide controller |
| 04:20.04 | gpm | gravity: they'd complain about the install or something |
| 04:20.13 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 04:20.17 | gravity | gpm: Ubuntu's install is very nearly the same as Debian's |
| 04:20.27 | gpm | gravity: alright you win :P |
| 04:20.27 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | SID IS BACK, BAAAAAAYBE | INSTALLING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | non-us is part of main |
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| 04:20.36 | Wyzard | gravity: Sure, I could get by with fvwm and an xterm if I really needed to, but it'd still be an annoyance to be unable to use the environment that's configured the way I prefer it |
| 04:20.36 | gravity | Ubuntu has polished a few things, but I don't think it's that much better on the whole right now |
| 04:20.39 | Guerin | !beer bob2 |
| 04:20.54 | remora | i am attempting to reboot a G3 iMac with netinstall sarge but it will not intialise |
| 04:20.56 | gurubie | Guerin, Well hell Guerin one has to start Sid sometime, It's been fine for Six months and I've managed it so far. I will wait but just because I new (6mo) to Sid does mean I can't handle it. We all got to start Sid at one point to use it at all. Thanks though. |
| 04:21.10 | Guerin | gurubie: Good luck with that. |
| 04:21.18 | Guerin | gurubie: i hope you have more fun than pain. |
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| 04:21.25 | sparr_ | when i use make-kpkg --initrd, where does it get my root drive device name from when calling mkinitrd? |
| 04:21.26 | gravity | gurubie: Just keep working with it. Best way to learn is to read mailing lists and docs and figure out how to manage the problems yourself |
| 04:21.27 | remora | perhaps the harddisk netinstall may be better? |
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| 04:21.39 | sparr_ | aha |
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| 04:21.40 | sparr_ | from fstab |
| 04:21.42 | xtension | gurubie its sid not Sid |
| 04:21.43 | gravity | gurubie: I learned sid without touching IRC for instance, and this was back in the dark ages |
| 04:21.48 | ethics | sparr_ : no it isnt....discover makes it go in there |
| 04:21.51 | Wyzard | sparr_: I believe it looks at what device is currently mounted as the root filesystem |
| 04:21.52 | Guerin | xtension: it's Sid, actually |
| 04:21.55 | gravity | (as long as it's not SID) |
| 04:22.05 | gravity | Sid or sid... I've never heard anyone care |
| 04:22.05 | Guerin | xtension: proper nouns get capitalised in english |
| 04:22.07 | sparr_ | Wyzard: it looks at fstab, forgot i had that set wrong |
| 04:22.13 | xtension | Guerin not in my sources.list |
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| 04:22.15 | ethics | sparr_ ide_generic is you mobo ide driver |
| 04:22.29 | TimeKilla | Ok... i looked around the net armed with my current knowledge and wasn't able to get anywhere with this problem. Hopefully once again you fellaz can point me in the right direction: When I logout or come to the first login screen on gnome/GDM I get thrown into a bad resolution and must CTRL-alt-(-) to see the login screen. But once i'm logged in, its fine. How can I change the default resolution for the login screen? |
| 04:22.40 | sparr_ | ethics: ./drivers/ide/pci/via82cxxx.ko |
| 04:22.44 | Wyzard | sparr_: Actually, no the initrd script queries what root device the kernel was configured to use, and the kernel (when you compile it) uses the current root device as its compiled-in default |
| 04:22.45 | sparr_ | ethics: one of us is crazy :) |
| 04:22.47 | ethics | sparr_ im double checking it to make sure |
| 04:22.59 | xtension | TimeKilla man XF86Config |
| 04:23.00 | sparr_ | Wyzard: i just changed fstab and that fixed it :) |
| 04:23.18 | Wyzard | sparr_: hmm, interesting |
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| 04:23.39 | bucky | sparr_, /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf i think |
| 04:23.40 | Guerin | we live in interesting time |
| 04:23.42 | Guerin | s |
| 04:24.00 | trave11er | sparr_: the root device is passed to kernel by the bootloader |
| 04:24.13 | trave11er | then initrd script saves it |
| 04:24.25 | sparr_ | bucky: its from fstab |
| 04:24.32 | trave11er | mounts initrd as root, loads modules and other stuff and mounts the real initrd |
| 04:24.33 | bucky | ok |
| 04:24.39 | remora | has anyone had experience installing Sarge onto a G3 iMac? |
| 04:24.51 | Solet | what problems will i run into using an a64? |
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| 04:25.07 | trave11er | err, real root |
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| 04:25.11 | Guerin | !ppc |
| 04:25.11 | dpkg | ppc is, like, short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 04:25.15 | sparr_ | trave11er: yes, i know how initrd works |
| 04:25.32 | Wyzard | dpkg, ppc is also not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 04:25.32 | dpkg | Wyzard: okay |
| 04:25.40 | Wyzard | <evil grin> |
| 04:25.42 | ethics | sparr_ ahh i c...via82cxxx.ko = via ide if it uses it....vp_ide messages on ide detection...via82cxxx-audio.ko is the auto config one...but audio doesnt show in the mod list in some versions.. |
| 04:25.44 | xtension | sparr_ how about a thank you |
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| 04:26.00 | holo | ppc will end :\ |
| 04:26.01 | Guerin | everyone seems to be really chipper about this Apple -> intel thing ... why? |
| 04:26.08 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: fuck if I know |
| 04:26.11 | sparr_ | xtension: err, thanks |
| 04:26.15 | remora | thanks |
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| 04:26.29 | dondelelcaro | remora: you could also just ask your questions here, and we'll answer them. |
| 04:26.31 | Guerin | i can't see it being any different to now as regards applee's proprietary hardware locking bullshit |
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| 04:26.52 | xtension | !tell remora about polls |
| 04:26.52 | Wyzard | Guerin: I'm interested in having a PC-like architecture with OpenFirmware rather than the old crufty BIOS and its 16-bit bootup, which can potentially run all three major OSes (Linux, OSX, and Windows) |
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| 04:27.15 | sparr_ | who here uses debian, raise your hand |
| 04:27.20 | Guerin | !poll |
| 04:27.20 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 04:27.31 | holo | _o/ |
| 04:27.32 | sparr_ | Guerin: that was sarcasm :) see !tell polls above |
| 04:27.46 | ethics | Guerin: maybe osx instead of wintel lintel only? |
| 04:27.47 | xtension | sparr_ take a break your tired |
| 04:27.50 | Guerin | Wyzard: Like appletel machines will have openfirmware |
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| 04:27.56 | Draconicus | I am lacking /dev/snd/seq, but I have no idea as to what it relates to package-wise. How can I get this mysterious thingy? |
| 04:28.00 | sparr_ | xtension: i was tired 4 kernel compiles ago |
| 04:28.04 | sparr_ | speaking of which... |
| 04:28.05 | sparr_ | reboot time! |
| 04:28.05 | Guerin | ethics: osx is almost as much of a WOFT as windows |
| 04:28.21 | Wyzard | Guerin: Wouldn't surprise me |
| 04:28.23 | xtension | run you |
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| 04:28.28 | gurubie | Guerin, My guess is Apple wants clock speed bragging rights. They say this is bad for Linux but I think it further opens the door for FLOSS, mainly Debian. (out) |
| 04:28.33 | cyberkni | I just dist-upgraded my woody box and it broke my postfix setup. I do authenticated smtp off of a mysql database, it uses saslauthd +pam to do so but i have discovered that sasl is now seperating user@domain.com in to user and domain fields. My database is not built this way. How to I turn that off? |
| 04:28.44 | holo | osx is the best for laptops :D |
| 04:28.45 | ethics | Guerin: hehe never spent much time on it but almost makes it better still hehe |
| 04:28.49 | Wyzard | Guerin: I don't think they'll make it the same as "standard" PCs, or very similar, because then people will hack OSX into running on non-Apple hardware |
| 04:29.10 | Guerin | gurubie: but what makes you think that? I can't see an upside, really. Just less diversity might make programming for the two platforms easier. |
| 04:29.27 | holo | Wyzard: what for? to have a half-pie system9? |
| 04:29.49 | Guerin | Wyzard: bah, so? It'll have fuckall hardware support, still, because it'll only be made for apple-certified hardware. And it's still be proprietary shite. |
| 04:30.06 | Guerin | Wyzard: oh, that was your point. |
| 04:30.08 | Draconicus | lsmod shows unloaded modules, too, right? |
| 04:30.13 | Guerin | Draconicus: no. |
| 04:30.19 | Wyzard | Guerin: Mostly to avoid paying for Apple hardware, I'd imagine |
| 04:30.21 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 04:30.23 | john | for apt sources such as : deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free : - what should those be changed to, they dont work anymore with Sarge out. |
| 04:30.35 | Guerin | !rtfrn |
| 04:30.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rtfrn is Read the "Fine" Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 04:30.39 | Wyzard | Guerin: People have been doing similar things with software for quite a long time |
| 04:30.41 | Draconicus | How would I go about seeing those, Guerin, and where the hell is /dev/snd/seq? |
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| 04:30.43 | Guerin | !literal rtfrn |
| 04:30.44 | dpkg | rtfrn is Read the "Fine" Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 04:30.48 | ethics | gurubie, will be intresting to see if apple can take market share back if they can get hardware into the x86 prices |
| 04:30.53 | Guerin | !factinfo rtfrn |
| 04:30.53 | dpkg | rtfrn -- created by Rickdangerous <~semaphor@85.99.64.237> 1d 4h 30m 21s ago; it has been requested 15 times, last by Guerin, 18s ago. |
| 04:31.03 | Guerin | grrr, someone changed it |
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| 04:31.58 | Guerin | !rtfrn =~ s/"Fine"/(Fine|Funny|Furry|Fucking|Fishy|Frickin'|Funky|Fearsome)/ |
| 04:31.58 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 04:32.15 | Solet | rofl |
| 04:32.26 | TwistedEmotions | Using xev I found the keycodes for the keys I am trying to use... How do I find the names of those keycodes or do I use use the keycodes to put them into ~/.fluxbox/keys? |
| 04:32.30 | gurubie | Guerin, (back) Because Dell for example uses Intel too and not AMD (at all) as those of us who know better feel Dell and Intel are overall too Microsoft centric. AMD is a good choice for Linux is it not? There 64 bit chip is a low heat winner right? |
| 04:32.53 | xtension | TwistedEmotions dont stop looking for them |
| 04:33.10 | TwistedEmotions | xtension: Huh? |
| 04:33.14 | Solet | a64 = toaster coils.... its a bad ass processor but it gets fuckin hot |
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| 04:33.37 | Guerin | gurubie: so you think that another proprietary OS vendor of note (remember Sun is on the intel thing too) will be a good thing for AMD and therefore FLOSS? |
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| 04:33.53 | dopey | TwistedEmotions: xmodmap |
| 04:33.53 | xtension | TwistedEmotions cant you speak ? |
| 04:34.48 | TimeKilla | how can i tell if i'm using xf86 or xfree86? |
| 04:35.01 | gurubie | I am hoping users (buyers) will realize there's NO good reason for (their) hardware to be closed to one OS. |
| 04:35.02 | ethics | Guerin gurubie : Sun is X86 centric now? after leaving solaris X86 so different from solaris for sparc that the qualified techs wont touch x86? |
| 04:35.07 | xtension | TimeKilla cant you go play a game or something ? |
| 04:35.08 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: "xf86" is just a nickname for XFree86 |
| 04:35.11 | holo | i heard a rumour that they would play double cards by betting in AMD, and i don't see why not |
| 04:35.12 | TwistedEmotions | xtension: What? You said don't stop looking for them... What the hell does that mean? |
| 04:35.18 | ethics | timekilla: samething |
| 04:35.21 | TimeKilla | xtension: lol, no i'm learning |
| 04:35.21 | TwistedEmotions | dopey: kk will try that now |
| 04:35.25 | holo | but it was just a rumour |
| 04:35.26 | gurubie | Guerin, I suppose it depends on the propaganda war success. |
| 04:35.40 | xtension | TimeKilla you are chatting |
| 04:35.55 | TimeKilla | sorry guys. |
| 04:36.16 | Guerin | ethics: i didn't say centric; only that they released their OS for x86. |
| 04:36.39 | ethics | TimeKilla, better to ask and get a one line answer than not knowing. |
| 04:36.47 | Guerin | gurubie: bah, so it's just more vapour then. |
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| 04:37.02 | xtension | ethics still on ubuntu ? |
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| 04:37.17 | ethics | Guerin: ahh cool well solaris X86 is hardly a supported release in most places.... |
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| 04:38.11 | ethics | xtension: only on the toybox laptop...im sarge/etch on servers |
| 04:38.11 | Guerin | ethics: s/solaris/gnu+linux/ |
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| 04:39.32 | ethics | Guerin: hmm yeah true...most of the apps on our solaris box are gnu hehe cept oracle....which i hate on x86 |
| 04:40.00 | Guerin | ethics: my point --> . where you are --------------------------------> x |
| 04:40.08 | xtension | lol |
| 04:40.08 | Guerin | (not to scale) |
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| 04:40.16 | xtension | debian is not gnu ? |
| 04:40.27 | Guerin | xtension: most of the userspace is |
| 04:40.34 | xtension | eheh |
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| 04:41.00 | xtension | Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 04:41.10 | Guerin | :xtension++ |
| 04:41.12 | rixth | /'join ##php |
| 04:41.18 | Guerin | at least someone understood |
| 04:41.18 | rixth | Sorry :) |
| 04:41.44 | steve_ | !dpkg |
| 04:41.45 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 04:41.45 | gurubie | xtension, Doesn't everything else, really? |
| 04:42.13 | Guerin | gurubie: yeah, every other OS there is, unless you buy a service contract. |
| 04:42.19 | xtension | gurubie actually no, no not really |
| 04:42.46 | gurubie | xtension, Have you read a closed license lately? |
| 04:42.46 | ethics | Guerin: my comment was that solaris X86 is not supported by sun they do the same no warranty |
| 04:43.08 | Solet-deb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.10 | Guerin | ethics: my point was that that is no different for any other os, including ours. |
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| 04:43.29 | Guerin | even windows has no warranty unless you buy a service contract |
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| 04:43.46 | Guerin | it's just that they take 100 pages of EULA to explain that instead of one line |
| 04:44.10 | Bac9 | Guerin: how strange, and here I thought all window installations came with lifetime waranties unless you throw bricks though them |
| 04:44.35 | Bac9 | Guerin: even double pane :-) |
| 04:44.35 | Solet-deb | Bac9: rofl |
| 04:44.35 | Guerin | Bac9: you've never read a windows EULA, have you? |
| 04:44.35 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:44.38 | Guerin | !lart me |
| 04:44.43 | Bac9 | Guerin: don't run ms windows so no |
| 04:44.51 | exobyte | Is 10.0.1.0 a valid ip? |
| 04:44.53 | caphuso | "By installing, copying, downloading, accessing, using, thinking about, hearing of, or being in the same universe as the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, you agree to be bound by the terms of this EULA."a |
| 04:44.54 | GangBangaMONEY | mac dre |
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| 04:45.08 | Bac9 | exobyte: yes, private subnet |
| 04:45.11 | Guerin | exobyte: for what? |
| 04:45.14 | Wyzard | exobyte: Yes, that's one of the non-routing ones |
| 04:45.29 | Guerin | i believe even a private ip can't end in 0 |
| 04:45.33 | Bac9 | caphuso: uninforsable |
| 04:45.41 | caphuso | Bac9: it's not meant to be :) |
| 04:45.46 | Guerin | there's a tool to check it, but I can't remember the name |
| 04:45.48 | exobyte | Guerin: I can't remember the 0 rule |
| 04:45.52 | xtension | exobyte read the net howto before you do something stupid |
| 04:45.53 | caphuso | Bac9: it's from the vigor EULA |
| 04:45.57 | Wyzard | Guerin: depends on the netmask... if it/s 10.0.1.0/8, well, 0.1.0 is nonzero |
| 04:45.59 | Guerin | exobyte: any good reason to not use 1? |
| 04:46.03 | exobyte | Guerin: no |
| 04:46.10 | Guerin | Wyzard: oh, ok. |
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| 04:46.21 | Solet-deb | gnome 2.10.0 live cd is sexy |
| 04:46.23 | exobyte | Guerin: is up to 255 ok, or do I need to cut off at 254? |
| 04:46.24 | Wyzard | Guerin: It's just that all the host bits can't be zero |
| 04:46.31 | Bac9 | caphuso: an unenforsable contract is waste of trees |
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| 04:46.40 | Wyzard | exobyte: Do you know what a subnet mask is? |
| 04:46.47 | TimeKilla | ok, i cannot understand this: I've run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and told it the highest resolution is 800x600... the gnome desktop resolution is set to 800x600, but when I go to login anytime, it starts in 1024x768, which is unsupported by my monitor. Where do i make the settings change for this? |
| 04:46.47 | exobyte | Wyzard: uh huh |
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| 04:46.55 | Guerin | exobyte: 255 is typically a broadcast address |
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| 04:47.05 | xtension | TimeKilla i already told you |
| 04:47.20 | xtension | TimeKilla read something |
| 04:47.20 | Solet-deb | bac9 yes... and M$ machines are a waste of natural resources burned to make electricity that runs them... |
| 04:47.20 | Wyzard | exobyte: All the host bits (the ones that are zero in the subnet mask) cannot be all zero, and should not be all 1 |
| 04:47.23 | exobyte | Guerin: I never really bothered to learn exactly how all this stuff works |
| 04:47.24 | TimeKilla | xf86config is different than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 04:47.25 | restart | I ate too much |
| 04:47.32 | Bac9 | Guerin: it is posible to change the brodcast address from 255 to something else :-) |
| 04:47.33 | Guerin | exobyte: so I see. |
| 04:47.35 | coolball | with a nVidia Riva TNT do I want the nv display driver? |
| 04:47.37 | caphuso | Bac9: your humour detector needs fixing :) |
| 04:47.38 | restart | sarge is stable now, wow |
| 04:47.41 | Guerin | Bac9: anything's possible. |
| 04:47.45 | Wyzard | exobyte: 10.0.1.255/8 does not have all its host bits as 1, but 10.255.255.255/8 does |
| 04:47.47 | Guerin | coolball: yes |
| 04:47.56 | ethics | exobyte. X.X.X.255 = broadcast.....X.X.X.0 = invalid...multicast?? |
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| 04:48.06 | Wyzard | coolball: Either that or nVidia's proprietary driver |
| 04:48.08 | Bac9 | Solet-deb: don't insult perfectly functional hardware just because it's told to run silly instructions |
| 04:48.15 | dondelelcaro | ethics: .255 is only broadcast in a /24 |
| 04:48.32 | Bac9 | Guerin: gota love zero point energy |
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| 04:48.43 | ethics | dondelelcaro, ahh on smaller subnets it changes? spent most of my time in c class hehe |
| 04:48.46 | Bac9 | caphuso: yeah must be a sidefect of drousiness |
| 04:48.49 | dondelelcaro | ethics: yes. |
| 04:48.49 | coolball | is vesa the vesa local bus that predates pci? |
| 04:48.59 | Solet-deb | bac9: i'm not instulting the hardware... the hardware would rather not have electricity... it would rather not funciton at all than funcion on Micro$oft |
| 04:49.22 | Wyzard | coolball: no, I think the names are related, but this VESA pertains to monitors and video modes, not electrical interfaces for video cards |
| 04:49.28 | Guerin | don't anthromorphise computers, they don't like it |
| 04:49.28 | caphuso | coolball: probably not. what's the context? |
| 04:49.29 | ethics | coolball : its the driver for video based on that tchnology....vlb->pci->agp-PCI-X |
| 04:49.29 | Bac9 | Solet-deb: so change the code |
| 04:49.30 | xtension | Solet-deb well it doestn function on m$ |
| 04:49.43 | nse | restart: you did? what didi you eat? |
| 04:49.46 | GangBangaMONEY | !mac dre |
| 04:49.49 | dpkg | mac dre is probably a underground rapper from Vallejo, CA. He lived in the "Crest" neighborhood. He died in a drive-by shooting. Another cold-Crest creeper who would frequent Lenoard Street. He wore Nike shoes, Levi jeans, triple gold danks and straight lace 'cines. What it is? THIZZ is what it is. THE GAME IS THICK!!! |
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| 04:49.49 | Solet-deb | xtension: rofl |
| 04:49.49 | Wyzard | !vesa |
| 04:49.50 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. |
| 04:49.53 | benjamindees | coolball, no, it's a driver standard (basically) |
| 04:50.03 | Wyzard | a set of well-known, standard video modes |
| 04:50.14 | ethics | coolball: basically if its a video card made this side of SVGA then VESA should run it at a basic level |
| 04:50.16 | coolball | i can't figure out what is limiting my screen resolution to 800x600 |
| 04:50.18 | Guerin | wow, we got the driveby dpkg-taggaz now |
| 04:50.19 | Wyzard | and a standard way of telling video cards to use them |
| 04:50.28 | dondelelcaro | the broadcast is always FFFFFFFF ^ NETMASK | NETWORK & NETMASK |
| 04:50.30 | Wyzard | coolball: Maybe your monitor frequencies? |
| 04:50.31 | coolball | caphuso: its a video driver |
| 04:50.32 | Guerin | coolball: probably refresh |
| 04:50.46 | caphuso | coolball: then it's not related to the VLB |
| 04:50.51 | Wyzard | coolball: If you look in the X output (/var/log/XFree86.0.log), there are lines where it says why it's rejecting each candidate mode, and why |
| 04:50.57 | Solet-deb | omg how do i become root on a livedc? |
| 04:50.59 | Bac9 | coolball: did you actually configure X to support higher resolutions? |
| 04:51.06 | Solet-deb | s/livedc/livecd |
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| 04:51.07 | xtension | Wyzard hahaha |
| 04:51.10 | Guerin | !htfswk Solet-deb |
| 04:51.12 | GangBangaMONEY | when is etch coming out? |
| 04:51.16 | Guerin | ~htfswk Solet-deb |
| 04:51.22 | Wyzard | xtension: ? |
| 04:51.22 | nse | hey! where's dpkg? |
| 04:51.23 | benjamindees | !annoy GangBangaMONEY |
| 04:51.23 | Guerin | GangBangaMONEY: /meg dpkg wir |
| 04:51.29 | Guerin | GangBangaMONEY: /msg dpkg wir |
| 04:51.44 | GangBangaMONEY | !kill benjamindees |
| 04:51.48 | Wyzard | hmm, I think I broke dpkg |
| 04:51.48 | caphuso | Guerin: would work even better if we had dpkg right now :) |
| 04:51.51 | Solet-deb | Guerin: ??? |
| 04:51.56 | Wyzard | I was the last one to invoke a factoid before it quit :-) |
| 04:51.57 | dondelelcaro | it'll be back in a second. |
| 04:52.00 | Guerin | damnit |
| 04:52.00 | GangBangaMONEY | dpkg is dead |
| 04:52.00 | bob2 | GangBangaMONEY: when it's ready |
| 04:52.02 | WhiteRabbit | !tease GangBangaMONEY |
| 04:52.07 | Guerin | Solet-deb: htfswk = how the fuck should we know |
| 04:52.09 | coolball | Bac9: in base-config i did |
| 04:52.10 | GangBangaMONEY | like DUKE NUKEM FOREVER |
| 04:52.12 | nse | dondelelcaro: something happened with our lovely bot |
| 04:52.18 | GangBangaMONEY | i rooted it |
| 04:52.19 | WhiteRabbit | that poor bot got drunk |
| 04:52.24 | dondelelcaro | nse: yes, I know. |
| 04:52.30 | Guerin | Duke Nukem Forver = DNF = Did Not Finish |
| 04:52.31 | Bac9 | coolball: have you checked the actual config file, just in case? |
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| 04:52.54 | GangBangaMONEY | actually- i know a guy at 3d realms |
| 04:52.55 | dondelelcaro | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. <-- nah, couldn't have anything to do with it. |
| 04:53.04 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 04:53.13 | dippo | a friend of mine is trying to do an upgrade from woody->sarge and he is seeing: |
| 04:53.15 | dippo | 0% [Connecting to security.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] |
| 04:53.25 | dippo | but when he nslookup or pings security.debian.org it resolves fine |
| 04:53.26 | GangBangaMONEY | he says that DNF is gunna run on its own engine |
| 04:53.28 | dippo | wtf would cause that? |
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| 04:53.32 | nse | Guerin: which was the his last word before he died? |
| 04:53.36 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: he's null routed security.d.o |
| 04:53.38 | GangBangaMONEY | so expect a long wait |
| 04:53.44 | xtension | dippo i know |
| 04:53.46 | gurubie | If I'm staying with unstable only what difference does it make if I use apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade. I'm not going to anouther tier so is it the same or does dist-upgrade do something smarter in this case (Sid only)? |
| 04:53.46 | remora | i am using hard drive install method on a G3 iMac, can't seem to find yaboot in the debian archive, why? |
| 04:53.46 | Guerin | nevyn: /lstlog dpkg 2 |
| 04:53.47 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: brilliant I say, brilliant. |
| 04:53.49 | GangBangaMONEY | !mac dre |
| 04:53.49 | dpkg | mac dre is probably a underground rapper from Vallejo, CA. He lived in the "Crest" neighborhood. He died in a drive-by shooting. Another cold-Crest creeper who would frequent Lenoard Street. He wore Nike shoes, Levi jeans, triple gold danks and straight lace 'cines. What it is? THIZZ is what it is. THE GAME IS THICK!!! |
| 04:53.59 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: oh, my bad |
| 04:54.03 | dippo | xtension: ? |
| 04:54.06 | GangBangaMONEY | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:54.15 | ethics | so its true nothing works in #debian without dpkg the same as the OS.......NICE!!! |
| 04:54.17 | xtension | dippo 1.0.0.0 |
| 04:54.19 | nse | for god sake, yes he is.. |
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| 04:55.10 | xpurple | Afte I updated to sage apache is being odd. perl cgi works fine when called internealy, but not if called directly foo.com/foo.cgi |
| 04:55.33 | xpurple | I also can't type. |
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| 04:55.44 | Guerin | xpurple: don't blame sarge for that |
| 04:55.49 | dondelelcaro | xpurple: you probably don't have +ExecCGI on in that directory. |
| 04:55.51 | xtension | !beer xpurple |
| 04:55.51 | dippo | xtension: I don't understand what you are trying to say |
| 04:56.00 | xpurple | Guerin: It worked fine before I did the upgrade :) |
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| 04:56.08 | GangBangaMONEY | !permasunday |
| 04:56.08 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 04:56.34 | xtension | dippo it s a long and tedious story and i dont get the impression you re up to it right now, take a break or something |
| 04:56.57 | Guerin | xpurple: your typing? |
| 04:57.01 | gurubie | I'm guessing when the bugs are worked out, about now is when the dist-upgrade makes the difference. As I'm not changing from Sid but SId is changing under us. Right? |
| 04:57.21 | xpurple | Guerin: Oh, no. The apache thing ;) |
| 04:57.27 | dippo | is xtension a troll? |
| 04:57.29 | dondelelcaro | gurubie: sid is always changing. |
| 04:57.38 | magyar | why do i have such a huge build up of semaphors www-data? and how do i get rid of them to be able to start apache |
| 04:57.39 | magyar | ? |
| 04:57.40 | dondelelcaro | dippo: signs point to yes. |
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| 04:57.44 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 04:57.44 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 04:57.47 | Wyzard | gurubie: I don't understand the first half of your question, but the second half is correct. Sid is where new packages go, so it changes continuously. |
| 04:58.02 | xpurple | Oh, strange |
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| 04:58.05 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: can you +q gurubie until he passes a basiq quiz on the sid faq? |
| 04:58.06 | GangBangaMONEY | !ops xtension is a troll and racist |
| 04:58.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: xtension is a troll and racist |
| 04:58.10 | gurubie | dondelelcaro, Yes but apparantly it changing much more now. |
| 04:58.11 | xpurple | index.cgi files work fine. |
| 04:58.29 | dondelelcaro | s/Guerin/GangBangaMONEY/ |
| 04:58.38 | GangBangaMONEY | huh? |
| 04:58.46 | exobyte | anyone know if running a nbns in addition to a dns is a good idea? |
| 04:58.46 | GangBangaMONEY | s/dondecarlo |
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| 04:59.03 | WhiteRabbit | exobyte, bind |
| 04:59.12 | cyberkni | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.15 | derek | im trying to manually set up my network but don't really know anything about it, i set up the files and when i do ifup eth0 i get "command 0x3002 did not complete! status=0xffff" |
| 04:59.20 | exobyte | WhiteRabbit: it handles both? |
| 04:59.24 | Guerin | cyberkni: #postfix |
| 04:59.27 | sussudio | GangBangaMONEY: you're not exactly the perfect user either. |
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| 04:59.45 | TimeKilla | Well I read the Man pages for xf86, i've looked in the config file, all resolutions are currently set to 640x480, i cannot understand why the resolution for gdm/gnome login is defaulting to 1024x768 |
| 04:59.51 | dondelelcaro | derek: use the paster bot to paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:59.55 | GangBangaMONEY | sussudio? think so? |
| 04:59.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell derek -about paster |
| 05:00.14 | GangBangaMONEY | !ops sussudio is a troll and racist |
| 05:00.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sussudio is a troll and racist |
| 05:00.18 | sussudio | GangBangaMONEY: yeah, you're probably here to troll, looking at your nick and the factoid crappage into the channel. |
| 05:00.20 | xtension | TimeKilla its a XF86Config-4 setting |
| 05:00.24 | sussudio | ok ban time. |
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| 05:00.37 | sussudio | ktnx. |
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| 05:00.44 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 05:01.12 | TimeKilla | I looked in my Xf86Config-4 file and found no reference to the resolution of 1024x768 |
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| 05:01.41 | paster | "derek" at 68.221.32.119 pasted "command 0x3002 did not complete" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/191 |
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| 05:01.42 | sussudio | bob2: what do you mean by "non-us is part of main", there's no non-US anymore? |
| 05:01.44 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: sorry about that. |
| 05:01.50 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: yerp. |
| 05:01.55 | sussudio | mkay. |
| 05:01.59 | bob2 | sussudio: yes, everything in it is either in main or in the bin |
| 05:02.04 | derek | heh, thats pretty neat... |
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| 05:02.15 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Your /var/log/XFree86.0.log might help -- there's a section in the output where it goes through all the potential video modes, rejects the ones it can't use for whatever reason (and says why), and then lists what's left |
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| 05:02.21 | nse | TimeKilla: you're not supposed to read files to go round your problem |
| 05:02.27 | xtension | TimeKilla Modes "1200x960" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" << set some modes |
| 05:02.34 | dondelelcaro | derek: ok, running grep as a script makes no sense. |
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| 05:02.48 | gurubie | So which is it (when set to Sid only)? Option one, always run dist-upgrade. Two, run dist-upgrade only when Sid finishes a major transition (like dev becomes Sid) or Three always use upgrade only (when preferenced to Sid)? |
| 05:02.50 | dondelelcaro | derek: just ditch the hotplug mapping |
| 05:02.55 | derek | im not using that but i just tried it to see if anything good would happen |
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| 05:03.24 | coolball | ... /var/log/XFree86.0.log says vrefresh out of range / hsync out of range / width too large for virtual size |
| 05:03.26 | derek | done |
| 05:03.29 | bucky | gurubie, there's nothing to upgrade to from sid |
| 05:03.32 | dondelelcaro | derek: you should just have the auto lines, and the iface eth0/lo; lines. |
| 05:03.32 | sussudio | *GangBangaMONEY* hey- *GangBangaMONEY* i have a dyn IP bitch! *GangBangaMONEY* you are r00ted |
| 05:03.41 | sussudio | yeah... good luck r00ting sussudio.user |
| 05:03.41 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: exciting |
| 05:03.42 | Wyzard | gurubie: I dist-upgrade daily. |
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| 05:04.00 | derek | yeah, i took out the hotplug thing |
| 05:04.13 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I've seen that convention ("script grep") used before |
| 05:04.37 | nse | TimeKilla: Applications - Desktop Preferences - Screen Resolutions. change your screen resolution here, if it is supported by your video card and well configured in your x configuration stuff everything will work fine |
| 05:04.53 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: IIRC, it makes hotplug only attempt to configure interfaces that are listed on the "map" lines, and ignore any other interfaces that might happen to exist |
| 05:05.06 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: heh, was off getting a drink anyway |
| 05:05.26 | gurubie | Wyzard, That has been nearly my habit as well. I suppose it's the correct answer. |
| 05:05.57 | TimeKilla | nse it works just fine in gnome... it defaults to 800x600. However i notice that it still contains the option for 1024x768 which will not work. Changing my xfree86config will not remove the resolution of 1024x768 |
| 05:06.03 | Wyzard | gurubie: I use "plain" upgrade when I see that dist-upgrade wants to remove something important, and dist-upgrade otherwise |
| 05:06.08 | derek | dondelelcaro: ok, i tired static instead of dhcp and it seemed to more or less timeout, do you think thats the way i need to go, i have a router and my dsl modem seems to have a firewall built in, if that matters |
| 05:06.12 | Guerin | dist-upgrading sid daily is a) dangerous and b) a good way to teach yourself how debian's package management works |
| 05:06.29 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: true... but just calling "echo eth0 |grep eth0" isn't going to do anything usefull |
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| 05:06.51 | xtension | TimeKilla heres what you do : keep the highres and enlarge your fonts instead of changing to lowerres |
| 05:06.52 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: It returns success or failure, which is what hotplug cares about |
| 05:06.59 | magyar | i got a whole bunch of 0x00000000 semaphors which i can't remove. any suggestions? |
| 05:07.02 | bucky | derek, which addy did you set for the static ip ? |
| 05:07.03 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: eth0 will pass; eth1 won't |
| 05:07.04 | Guerin | if you're really mad, use -o=Apt::Dpkg::force-all='true' and -y |
| 05:07.11 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: hotplug never gets called there... it just returns eth0 |
| 05:07.15 | WhiteRabbit | Note that jigdo is the only way to download Debian DVD images. lies lies! |
| 05:07.22 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: in effect, the entire maping is totally useless |
| 05:07.33 | derek | bucky: 192.168.0.2 |
| 05:07.34 | gurubie | Wyzard, Roger but I thought dist-upgrade wouldn't remove anything where there wasn't a better replacement. |
| 05:07.43 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: if it was, that WOULD be stupid. But it's not. |
| 05:07.47 | nse | TimeKilla: so what's the point, you just want to remove the 1024x768 option? |
| 05:07.54 | Wyzard | gurubie: It'll remove things if there are conflicts |
| 05:08.00 | bucky | derek, that might be in the reserved range if you have your router acting as a dhcp server |
| 05:08.04 | TimeKilla | xtension its just the login screen thats going to 1024x768 (garbled screen-so i have to ctrl-alt-(-)) to get to lower resolution. I need to set it so that my resolution will not go into 1024x768 at startup for login. |
| 05:08.13 | Wyzard | gurubie: happens when a package depends on a specific version of a library, and the library gets upgraded |
| 05:08.21 | dondelelcaro | (although, if the purpose is to keep eth0 from coming up, it will do that.) |
| 05:08.38 | dondelelcaro | derek: if you've got dhcp, you should be using dhcp. |
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| 05:08.49 | WhiteRabbit | Guerin, http://www.debian.org/distrib/cd thats what it says on that page which is a lie |
| 05:09.10 | gurubie | Wyzard, Yes I think I've seem that. So the answer is, it depends (as usual) :) |
| 05:09.21 | WhiteRabbit | Guerin, guess we could call the web master well nm ;)~ |
| 05:09.35 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: There are three options for getting the CD images: |
| 05:09.42 | derek | my router (netgear) says 'use router as dhcp server' then has the ips 192.168.0.2 - 192.168.0.4, which i set |
| 05:09.50 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: i suggest you take remmedial reading lessons |
| 05:10.00 | kingsley_ | Is there a tool like tcpdump for monitoring the parallel port? |
| 05:10.11 | xtension | TimeKilla i also dont know whats causing it ... |
| 05:10.30 | WhiteRabbit | Guerin, Well the page is worded wrong dont be hating because of the pages mistake. |
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| 05:10.46 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2004/06/msg00105.html -- scroll down to the end of the message |
| 05:10.51 | derek | im not sure if all my files are set up right though, resolv.conf didn't even exist |
| 05:10.58 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: how exactly is it worded wrong? |
| 05:11.03 | TimeKilla | xtension i'm looking at my xfree86.0.log file now and its showing me some stuff |
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| 05:11.10 | bucky | derek, right.. and it probably won't let you assign an address below 192.168.0.51 statically because the router uses those to hand out |
| 05:11.12 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: i don't think it could possibly be clearer. |
| 05:11.25 | Azar | hi everyone |
| 05:11.44 | xtension | TimeKilla go though your X logs / check .xsessionerrors / use some config applications and try ? |
| 05:11.46 | Azar | I am having a pain in the chest and nobody at xmms can help |
| 05:12.02 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yeah, read up about 4 minutes in the scrollback. |
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| 05:12.05 | derek | bucky: ok, im using dhcp anyways now |
| 05:12.07 | WhiteRabbit | Guerin, Note that jigdo is the only way to download Debian DVD images. that states like saying jigdo is the only way to get the Debian DVDs but theres iso's of them you can get via gftp or wget etc or you can get them via bt |
| 05:12.09 | TimeKilla | i got (II) beside most of the resolutions.. but its got a (**) beside resolutions that have been selected in the past. (1024x768 was selected once before) but its has since been removed from the config file. |
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| 05:12.16 | nudenurd | ooops |
| 05:12.19 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I know, I saw what you said |
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| 05:12.23 | Azar | I want to create or get an xmms skin that expands the audioscopes over the entire desktop |
| 05:12.29 | WhiteRabbit | Guerin, so its worded wrong as in a lie |
| 05:12.31 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: oh, dvd images |
| 05:12.35 | TimeKilla | Something is storing that default other than my xf86config-4 file. |
| 05:12.37 | Guerin | !lart me |
| 05:12.38 | nudenurd | guys, do you mind if I ask an offtopic question about a Cisco router? |
| 05:12.39 | xtension | TimeKilla cat some_x_logfile | grep EE |
| 05:12.44 | WhiteRabbit | Guerin, ;)~ |
| 05:12.49 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I'm not an expert on this -- I find the interfaces mapping syntax confusing, and I don't use it anyway -- I'm just repeating what I've read elsewhere |
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| 05:13.25 | Guerin | i hate interface mapping, and it confused me so much that I wrote a shell script to bring my interfaces up and add routes |
| 05:13.52 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yeah, basically what happens is the script gets called with the arguments of the interfaces to bring up, and passed the lines with map as standard input. |
| 05:14.02 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: everything that gets output by the mapping is brought up |
| 05:14.09 | mae | hmm |
| 05:14.18 | TwistedEmotions | is there any good tv tuner program that has record functions and all that except for mythtv |
| 05:14.18 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 05:14.22 | derek | now im getting Trasmitter encounter 16 collisions -- network cable problem? Interrupt posted but not delivered -- IRQ block by anoter device? |
| 05:14.34 | Azar | Wyzard, the day I am gonna code my own desktop audio screen, I will remember you |
| 05:14.52 | xtension | mae ? are you eating ? |
| 05:15.05 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: OK, so if you have "script grep" and "map eth0", then trying to bring up eth0 will result in the script outputting "eth0" so it comes up... try eth1, and the script outputs nothing, so the interface is ignored |
| 05:15.40 | Wyzard | Azar: No offense to you personally; it's just something that people seem to do frequently |
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| 05:15.56 | Wyzard | Azar: xmms questions aren't as bad as the Knoppix/Xandros/Ubuntu questions :-) |
| 05:16.00 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: no, you'll get echo eth0|grep eth0;; |
| 05:16.03 | NunyerB | sup all |
| 05:16.05 | dondelelcaro | errr.. yeah. |
| 05:16.15 | dondelelcaro | time for more beer. |
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| 05:16.26 | derek | dondelelcaro: any other suggestions? |
| 05:16.31 | NunyerB | wh0re[b4g wuzzup |
| 05:16.34 | dondelelcaro | derek: ok, so what is happening now? |
| 05:16.34 | Wyzard | Azar: I think you'd need a plugin for that... xmms skins are just bitmaps; they can't resize themselves or anything |
| 05:16.37 | wh0re[b4g | whats up nuny |
| 05:17.10 | ethics | Azar: the scope you want on the screen....explain what you want to me |
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| 05:17.19 | NunyerB | hey can someone tell my friend here what exactly (cds or dvd how many) he needs to get debian installed and runnng |
| 05:17.30 | NunyerB | im a slacker user but i recommended debian |
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| 05:17.38 | derek | it keeps repeating NETDEV WATChdog : eth0 transmit timed out, 16 collisions, interrupt posted but not delivered, can't stop it :) |
| 05:17.38 | Wyzard | NunyerB: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, all you need is the businesscard or netinst CD |
| 05:17.39 | Guerin | NunyerB: netinsstall and a network connection |
| 05:17.40 | streuner_ | heh |
| 05:17.40 | bucky | !d-i |
| 05:17.41 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 05:17.45 | derek | but can't get online |
| 05:17.48 | Wyzard | NunyerB: The installer will download the rest as necessary |
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| 05:18.03 | NunyerB | he dont want to install from net cause if he loses power he wants to be able to do it |
| 05:18.08 | NunyerB | so its gonna be cd or dvd |
| 05:18.12 | NunyerB | dvd i think he prefers |
| 05:18.21 | Wyzard | NunyerB: He wants to be able to install Debian during a power outage? |
| 05:18.23 | NunyerB | just dvd1 and that should be enough for him? |
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| 05:18.31 | NunyerB | i mean phone |
| 05:18.33 | NunyerB | net |
| 05:18.37 | Wyzard | ah |
| 05:18.37 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 05:18.38 | NunyerB | whatever you know |
| 05:18.39 | NunyerB | :) |
| 05:18.42 | derek | dialup? |
| 05:18.43 | NunyerB | god im stoned |
| 05:18.43 | streuner_ | !enter |
| 05:18.43 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help. |
| 05:18.51 | bucky | NunyerB, if the power fails you just reboot and pickup where you left off |
| 05:18.55 | NunyerB | no i think he has good fast connection |
| 05:19.18 | Wyzard | NunyerB: Disc 1 contains all the essential stuff... the rest of the CDs are all optional software, arranged in approximate reverse order of popularity, so the most common software is on the earlier CDs |
| 05:19.19 | dondelelcaro | NunyerB: if it's a fast connection, the install will only take ~30 min to an hour. |
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| 05:19.34 | bucky | NunyerB, if you download 7 cd's you waste bandwidth and end up with 7 cd's that you probably won't use |
| 05:19.38 | derek | you can download a cd iso, not a big install |
| 05:19.51 | NunyerB | ok so if he gets cd1 and cd2 will he have KDE and GNOME? |
| 05:19.52 | wh0re[b4g | I'm a little warry of the net installs...I just wanna dl the dvd so I can save it and install it on multiple box's if necessary...with no net connection needed |
| 05:19.58 | Wyzard | NunyerB: I don't see much point in being able to install during an Internet outage, though, because you only need to install once anyway |
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| 05:20.16 | NunyerB | if ur like me i format my linux box 4x a day |
| 05:20.17 | NunyerB | lol |
| 05:20.30 | NunyerB | i use cd ritualy |
| 05:20.37 | Wyzard | NunyerB: I've had Debian installed on this box for as long as I've owned it, nearly five years |
| 05:20.40 | Solet-deb | how can i list all hard drives that are on a machine |
| 05:20.44 | Wyzard | NunyerB: never needed to reinstall |
| 05:20.53 | NunyerB | actually i have slack10 on a partition and just use the cd as a boot disk |
| 05:21.08 | NunyerB | i love to reinstall |
| 05:21.10 | derek | dondelcaro: is there something wrong with my ethernet card, or could it be a module not loaded or something |
| 05:21.24 | xtension | !beer NunyerB |
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| 05:21.29 | NunyerB | :) |
| 05:21.41 | wh0re[b4g | so...this is all well and good...but you are just arguing about installing it and what not...all I would like to know is where I can find the dvd images...preferably just the first one to start with |
| 05:21.48 | NunyerB | ok so you guys gonna help him out a bit |
| 05:21.49 | NunyerB | :) |
| 05:21.49 | derek | dondelelcaro: heh, guess you wouuldn't really know that |
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| 05:22.04 | pulaski | hello all |
| 05:22.07 | xtension | NunyerB what is the third screen after you hit the enter at the boot prompt ? |
| 05:22.08 | Wyzard | wh0re[b4g: The Debian CD mirrors have DVD images... or (preferably) you can get them with bittorrent |
| 05:22.08 | NunyerB | wh0re[b4g u good to go. this bunch is a pretty good crowd |
| 05:22.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell wh0re[b4g about install debian |
| 05:22.11 | NunyerB | i been here before |
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| 05:22.24 | bucky | derek, what kind of ethernet card is it/ |
| 05:22.40 | NunyerB | wh0re[b4g id get cd1 and cd2 or dvd1 |
| 05:22.44 | Wyzard | wh0re[b4g: or jigdo |
| 05:22.47 | derek | right now im using a usb |
| 05:22.52 | derek | just trying to get things working |
| 05:23.01 | NunyerB | i think hes got a jigdo link |
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| 05:23.15 | chaps0063 | hello all. |
| 05:23.16 | coolball | anyone know what I can do when /var/log/XFree86.0.log says: Vrefresh out of range / Hsync out of range / width too large for virtual size ... about most resolutions? |
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| 05:23.48 | streuner_ | coolball: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:23.54 | Guerin | !hwinfo |
| 05:23.56 | dpkg | hwinfo is, like, your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 05:24.00 | Wyzard | coolball: X has a built-in database of standard video modes, and each mode has multiple versions with different refresh rates |
| 05:24.02 | chaps0063 | anyone know how to have the OS realize that its not on AC and lower the brightness |
| 05:24.03 | pulaski | I'm pretty sure I'm running the stable sarge. I got the testing version going Sunday night. Then monday I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and after two hours or so I was back running. |
| 05:24.05 | streuner_ | coolball: what videocard do you have, btw? |
| 05:24.10 | derek | arrr, how do i stop these messages |
| 05:24.12 | Wyzard | coolball: You're seeing it rejecting the high-refresh-rate versions that your monitor doesn't support |
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| 05:24.31 | coolball | streuner: nVidia Riva TNT |
| 05:24.35 | NunyerB | wh0re[b4g look in PM |
| 05:24.42 | Wyzard | coolball: It's normal and harmless... you're looking for modes that your monitor *is* capable of, being rejected |
| 05:24.50 | Guerin | pulaski: does your sources.list say sarge? |
| 05:24.56 | NunyerB | •wh0re[b4g• pm me |
| 05:24.57 | xtension | derek iptabless ? |
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| 05:25.24 | streuner_ | coolball: is the videocard supported by xfree86? |
| 05:25.43 | coolball | but it only gives me 640x480 and 800x600 |
| 05:25.44 | pulaski | no Guerin, it says "testing" |
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| 05:25.57 | coolball | streuner it works at 800x600] |
| 05:26.17 | streuner_ | coolball: good, take a look at xfree86 website |
| 05:26.45 | chaps0063 | how do i lower the brightness of my laptop screen? |
| 05:26.54 | pulaski | but I'v got the new gnome 2.8 and a couple other updated apps and the whole look is new. |
| 05:27.01 | Solet-deb | how can i list all hard drives that are on a machine |
| 05:27.08 | Guerin | pulaski: change it to sarge if you want stable. |
| 05:27.10 | streuner_ | fdisk -l |
| 05:27.12 | Wyzard | chaps0063: Most laptops have special buttons or keys for that... I don't know of any software controls for it |
| 05:27.15 | derek | xtension: what does that mean? |
| 05:27.23 | chaps0063 | Wyzard, my buttons don't work. |
| 05:27.31 | pulaski | change "testing" to "sarge"/ |
| 05:27.34 | pulaski | > |
| 05:27.36 | pulaski | ? |
| 05:27.39 | Guerin | pulaski: 1 |
| 05:27.47 | wh0re[b4g | ok...i gotta get up in 4 hours...i gotta head to bed fred |
| 05:27.50 | xtension | derek what messages do you get ? |
| 05:27.58 | pulaski | 1? |
| 05:28.09 | wh0re[b4g | take that nic |
| 05:28.09 | Guerin | pulaski: y |
| 05:28.10 | pulaski | the first source? |
| 05:28.10 | cahoot | chaps0063: lower the gamma? (xgamma) |
| 05:28.15 | pulaski | ok |
| 05:28.16 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:28.20 | Guerin | pulaski: no, all sources. |
| 05:28.23 | Guerin | 1 = yes |
| 05:28.26 | Guerin | 0 = no |
| 05:28.28 | Wyzard | chaps0063: If the buttons are supposed to control the hardware directly, then that's a BIOS problem, not a Debian problem |
| 05:28.29 | pulaski | ok thanks Guerin |
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| 05:28.40 | derek | xtension: its just not connecting, saying 16 interputions, etc, then a long list of numbers and letters |
| 05:28.49 | Wyzard | chaps0063: If they're supposed to be recognized as keystrokes and the OS is supposed to respond by controlling the brightness in software, that's a Debian problem |
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| 05:28.51 | pulaski | I'll keep that in mind |
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| 05:28.54 | Wyzard | chaps0063: I don't know which it would be, though |
| 05:29.00 | pulaski | thanks again, cya |
| 05:29.09 | chaps0063 | Wyzard, i believe its a debian problem because of the way it interacts in windows |
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| 05:29.23 | derek | xtension:and DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5 then it goes through about 30 |
| 05:29.29 | Wyzard | chaps0063: You can control the brightness via software in Windows? |
| 05:29.35 | chaps0063 | yes |
| 05:29.41 | jayc | greets, |
| 05:29.48 | derek | no DHCPoffers recieved no working leases in persistent database |
| 05:29.55 | Wyzard | chaps0063: OK, evidently it's possible, then... I don't know anything about it though |
| 05:29.55 | jayc | does anyone know if gnome is broken in sid right now? |
| 05:30.02 | chaps0063 | Wyzard, ok, thanks. |
| 05:30.03 | xtension | derek -c n Sets the default log level of console messages to n in /etc/init.d/klogd |
| 05:30.06 | Wyzard | chaps0063: My Thinkpad has a hardware brightness slider |
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| 05:30.16 | chaps0063 | this is a fujitsu lifebook. |
| 05:30.31 | Wyzard | jayc: Yes, libgnomevfs2-0 has been upgraded but gnome-panel hasn't been recompiled to use the new version, so it's not installable |
| 05:30.44 | Wyzard | jayc: Give it a day or two |
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| 05:32.22 | Guerin | jayc: topic |
| 05:32.29 | derek | xtension: im not worried about that as much as trying to get my internet working |
| 05:32.36 | Wyzard | jayc: If you can get version 2.8.4-4 of libgnomevfs2-0, libgnomevfs2-common, and libgnomevfs2-dev from snapshot.debian.net, you should be able to install GNOME |
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| 05:33.10 | xtension | derek well you asked about these messages , your net is another one |
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| 05:33.15 | Wyzard | Guerin: The sid/GNOME thing today isn't mentioned in the /topic |
| 05:33.16 | chaps0063 | are there any thoughts as to how to lower my brightness on my screen? |
| 05:33.22 | benjamindees | is it possible to enable the firefox "Quality Agent" in Debian? |
| 05:33.24 | derek | yeah :) can you help me, please |
| 05:33.45 | JoshH | damn, sid is getting some major upgrades already |
| 05:33.53 | xtension | derek what does ifconfig say about your interface |
| 05:34.04 | Guerin | Wyzard: it does say that sid is back, though. |
| 05:34.05 | jm_ | well that's normal considering the fact that upgrades were on hold for so long |
| 05:34.18 | JoshH | im not complaining at all. :) |
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| 05:34.29 | Guerin | benjamindees: what is it? |
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| 05:34.39 | derek | xtension: eth0 and lo, anything specific? |
| 05:34.49 | benjamindees | Guerin, the thingy that sends debug info away when it crashes... |
| 05:34.55 | jorgp | JoshH: like? |
| 05:34.59 | Wyzard | Interesting... snapshot.debian.net does not have libgnomevfs |
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| 05:35.38 | xtension | derek do you see a line like inet addr:192.168.5.7 Bcast:192.168.5.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 at your eth0 ? |
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| 05:35.40 | Guerin | benjamindees: arguable how much use it'd bee to the mozdevs, since debian's build is patched up ... just file bugs when it crashes |
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| 05:35.51 | derek | no |
| 05:36.10 | chaps0063 | how do i rebuild my kernel with "AC Adaptor" and "Control Method Battery"? |
| 05:36.11 | JoshH | jorgp: lots of shit |
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| 05:36.27 | derek | . /etc/network/interfaces is set to dhcp |
| 05:36.28 | Solet-deb | if i have a 160gb partition with ntfs, that i know has 83gig free... is there a way i can cut a partition thats 8gig and make it a different fs with out losing whats already on there? |
| 05:36.32 | jm_ | chaps0063: did you check if kernel images already have support for that? |
| 05:36.36 | jeff99 | i have two X servers on my network. on one i can do "xman -display server:0.0" and it will come up fine, issuing that command from either the server itself or the other one |
| 05:36.48 | xtension | derek are you using adsl or modem or cable or ? |
| 05:36.58 | Guerin | Solet-deb: maybe. You'd want to use a windows app to do it, so ask them. |
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| 05:37.02 | xtension | derek ok |
| 05:37.03 | jeff99 | yet the other server always complains Error: Can't open display: server:0.0 |
| 05:37.06 | Talnakh | Solet-deb, find partition magic it can do it for you. |
| 05:37.06 | derek | adsl |
| 05:37.16 | Solet-deb | guerin: windows nolonger boots on this machine :( |
| 05:37.17 | benjamindees | Guerin, it's not Debian-specific; and I think it has to do with the flashblock extension |
| 05:37.17 | derek | i have a netgear router it should be going to though |
| 05:37.21 | chaps0063 | jm_, no. |
| 05:37.34 | jeff99 | anyone have any idea about how to get -display to work properly? |
| 05:37.39 | xtension | do you know your ip you got from your isp ? |
| 05:37.50 | jm_ | jeff99: 1. you need to allow X server to listen on a TCP port to accept remote connections, 2. you need to allow connections from the other host for it to work |
| 05:37.54 | jm_ | chaps0063: so do that first |
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| 05:38.17 | Talnakh | Solet-deb, get winternals ERD 2003 or whatever |
| 05:38.29 | Guerin | Solet-deb: now's a fantastic opportunity to start afresh. |
| 05:38.31 | d0rt | i am trying to use the "gem" command to build/install rails-postgresql functionality -- the build script is complaining about no socket() and no hsterror() -- how would i go about figuring out which library files (and which packages they're in) contain those two function definitions -- thanks much in advance for any info/pointers |
| 05:38.33 | xtension | derek do you know your ip you got from your isp ? |
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| 05:38.43 | jeff99 | jm_ i did "xhost +jeffroom" for letting the host, jeffroom work |
| 05:38.43 | Solet-deb | guerin: there's a lot of crap i need to get tho |
| 05:38.45 | d0rt | on sid -- sorry, forgot to mention that |
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| 05:38.56 | derek | my netgear admin shows all of that, do you mean 192.168.1.97 |
| 05:38.57 | Guerin | Solet-deb: reinstall? |
| 05:38.58 | jm_ | jeff99: then proceed with 1. |
| 05:39.07 | chaps0063 | jm_, apt-cache search? |
| 05:39.18 | jeff99 | jm_, yet when i simply run the command "X -query jeffroom" |
| 05:39.20 | Solet-deb | guerin: documents photographs... hundreds of files that are irreplacable |
| 05:39.21 | Guerin | Solet-deb: use a livecd and back up to another drive with a real filesystem |
| 05:39.23 | Solet-deb | but all on ntfs |
| 05:39.30 | Guerin | Solet-deb: backed up? |
| 05:39.32 | xtension | derek youre behind a router ? and you can access the router from your box ?? |
| 05:39.33 | jeff99 | jm_ nevermind i see what your saying |
| 05:39.39 | Solet-deb | gurein i cant move the files with live cd |
| 05:39.46 | Solet-deb | guerin... yes, backed up on ntfs :( |
| 05:39.53 | Guerin | Solet-deb: you don't need to move them, only copy them. |
| 05:39.53 | jm_ | chaps0063: no, grep <apropriate config option> /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 05:39.54 | Talnakh | Solet,deb, Knoppix can mount ntfs |
| 05:39.57 | jeff99 | jm_ so where would i look to do #1 |
| 05:40.03 | derek | not from the one im trying to use |
| 05:40.05 | jm_ | jeff99: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 05:40.13 | Solet-deb | guerin: what ever i dont have any non ntfs filesystems... |
| 05:40.20 | Guerin | Solet-deb: more fool you. |
| 05:40.29 | Guerin | Solet-deb: choose one you can afford to lose. |
| 05:40.32 | jorgp | JoshH: the major changes will be xorg and switching to gcc 3.4 |
| 05:40.36 | Solet-deb | guerin: i hate fat32 |
| 05:40.42 | xtension | derek are you on the same net as that box right now ? if so what is your ip |
| 05:40.44 | Guerin | Solet-deb: i hate ntfs more. |
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| 05:41.05 | Solet-deb | talnakh: knoppix can use ntfs? read write execute the works? |
| 05:41.06 | derek | xtension: 68.221.32.119 |
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| 05:41.39 | xtension | do this on the other box : ifconfig eth0 68.221.32.120 |
| 05:41.39 | celeste | hello all |
| 05:41.39 | jeff99 | jm_ the files are the same on both workstations. yet one accepts -display and the other does not :( |
| 05:41.40 | Talnakh | Solet-deb, knoppix can mount ntfs for read only |
| 05:41.40 | Guerin | Solet-deb: maybe use captive ntfs with the new knoppix 3.8 which you can install new software to |
| 05:41.50 | chaps0063 | jm_, I'm rather confused, can you point me toward something to read? |
| 05:42.00 | jeff99 | jm_ although mabey its because i have configured my gdm to accept them then? |
| 05:42.02 | jm_ | chaps0063: can you wait 5 minutes? |
| 05:42.10 | jm_ | jeff99: one doesn't say -nolisten tcp? |
| 05:42.12 | chaps0063 | jm_, sure. |
| 05:42.15 | Solet-deb | guerin: cant setup internet on knoppix... its another eth card i'm gonna have to configure myself |
| 05:42.20 | jeff99 | jm_ they both say -nolisten tcp |
| 05:42.21 | derek | ok |
| 05:42.27 | celeste | i have two debian computers set up exactly with the same config files for dovecot, and one works but the other doesnt, in fact it never even creates the /var/mail/user file at all? |
| 05:42.29 | jm_ | jeff99: ahh you use GDM on both? |
| 05:42.33 | celeste | any ideas why? |
| 05:42.33 | jeff99 | jm_ no only one |
| 05:42.34 | xtension | derek does your box also use dhcp ? |
| 05:42.44 | derek | yes |
| 05:42.46 | jeff99 | jm_ and the one that has GDM i have it setup to do XDMCP |
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| 05:43.01 | jeff99 | and it works great, it also allows me to do a -display to it |
| 05:43.05 | Solet-deb | Ralink RT2500 .... ever heard of it? |
| 05:43.06 | xtension | can you ping from the box to your box now ? |
| 05:43.08 | jm_ | jeff99: then you have to check how GDM has started it |
| 05:43.18 | Wyzard | Solet: There's an ntfsresize tool which runs in Linux and works just fine |
| 05:43.27 | jm_ | jeff99: and remove -nolisten tcp on the other one, the one you don't use GDM on |
| 05:43.30 | xtension | derek an or vise versa ? |
| 05:43.36 | Solet-deb | wyzard: whats it called? |
| 05:43.42 | Wyzard | Solet: I used it last week while helping install Ubuntu on a friend's laptop |
| 05:43.45 | Guerin | Solet-deb: you're fucked, mate. Reinstall windows if you really can't afford to lose the contents of one partition |
| 05:43.46 | jeff99 | jm_ ok i will |
| 05:43.48 | derek | xtension: do you mean ping 192.168.0.3? |
| 05:43.50 | Wyzard | Solet-deb: "ntfsresize", IIRC |
| 05:43.55 | Guerin | Solet-deb: are you learning your lesson yet? |
| 05:44.07 | trave11er | Solet-deb: there are drivers for rt2500 chipset somewhere on sourceforge |
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| 05:44.24 | xtension | derek you just did a ifconfig eth0 ip.ad.r.ess then now do a ping ip.a.d.re.ss |
| 05:44.24 | Guerin | woah, i wouldn't trust an ntfs resizer when linux can't even write ntfs |
| 05:44.27 | Solet-deb | guerin: lesson learned: 1) ntfs = evil 2) windows = evil 3) gates = evil/stupid |
| 05:44.37 | Guerin | Solet-deb: why stupid? |
| 05:44.45 | Guerin | i don't think he's stupid, just evil |
| 05:44.46 | myren | wow, half life 2 has the only neding more concievably terrible than halo 2 |
| 05:44.53 | Wyzard | Guerin: Seems strange to me too, but I've read that it's actually quite reliable |
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| 05:45.04 | Guerin | Wyzard: funkylicious. |
| 05:45.06 | Wyzard | Guerin: and it didn't cause any problems for me when I used it |
| 05:45.12 | jeff99 | jm_, should i change -nolisten tcp to -listen tcp or delete it all together? |
| 05:45.35 | derek | xtension: i don't know, my router only has 1 ip, right? they should share it while 192.168.0.2 and .3 is the 2 computers |
| 05:45.41 | Solet-deb | guerin: ok not stupid... but he is an evil selfish motherfucking bastard..... the man is a genius, his goal is world conquest, world conquest is a stupid idea |
| 05:45.50 | xtension | derek also yes |
| 05:45.52 | jm_ | jeff99: just remove it alltogether |
| 05:45.55 | jeff99 | k |
| 05:46.05 | xtension | derek make sure youre on the same net |
| 05:46.08 | Wyzard | Guerin: Actually, I tried Partition Magic first, and it refused to resize the partition without saying why; I'd reboot for it to do its work, and it'd just say it was done and continue booting Windows |
| 05:46.22 | Wyzard | Guerin: ntfsresize is what told me that it had found a problem and that I should run chkdsk /f |
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| 05:46.30 | jm_ | chaps0063: are you using 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
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| 05:46.37 | Wyzard | Guerin: ran chkdisk, re-ran ntfsresize, worked perfectly |
| 05:46.51 | chaps0063 | jm_, 2.6 |
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| 05:47.11 | technos | Guerin: Partition resizing NTFS is cheap and easy.. Chop the end of the partition off, rewrite what passes for a superblock, done. Writing to NTFS is a nightmare. NT4, Win2K, OS/2 and XP all have different ideas on what to do with it.. It's like the ext/ext2/ext3 nightmare. :/ |
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| 05:47.42 | jeff99 | jm_, thanks alot man. you have helped me a bunch these past few days :D |
| 05:47.43 | caphuso | there's an ext/ext2/ext3 nightmare? |
| 05:47.44 | Wyzard | technos: It's a little more involved than that if there's any data in that region which has to be relocated to free space nearer the beginning of the filesystem |
| 05:47.48 | derek | xtension, that didn't work |
| 05:48.19 | jm_ | chaps0063: egrep 'ACPI_AC|ACPI_BATTERY' /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 05:48.23 | jm_ | jeff99: no worries |
| 05:48.24 | technos | caphuso: Yes and no. Remember how borked ext used to be when you mounted it ext2 and then ext again? (ext3 doesn't have that problem) |
| 05:48.29 | xtension | derek ping 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 05:48.38 | nse | why do people think portguese is the most beautiful idiom in the world? |
| 05:48.46 | Solet-deb | can windows read/write/execute etx3? |
| 05:49.00 | pueblo | nope |
| 05:49.11 | technos | Wyzard: Yeah.. But explaining that doesn't sound so neat and tidy |
| 05:49.15 | jm_ | Solet-deb: yes, get ext2ifs for read-only access, there are also RW solutions |
| 05:49.20 | Wyzard | Solet-deb: I think I've heard of a commercial closed-source ext2 driver for Windows, but I'm not sure |
| 05:49.22 | derek | nothing |
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| 05:49.28 | technos | Solet-deb: There are a bunch of win32 utils to do it. |
| 05:49.41 | derek | thats my problem, its just not connecting to the router |
| 05:49.42 | jm_ | technos: the problem can also be if you mount ext3 as ext2 if it's not clean |
| 05:49.43 | jeff99 | jm_, I am trying to determine which set up is the least memory intensive. using 'X -query jeffroom', for a XDMCP access, or running my own X server and running my commands i want to show up on the client from the host, without XDMCP |
| 05:50.06 | Wyzard | jeff99: Memory-wise, it shouldn't make a difference |
| 05:50.10 | xtension | derek can you ping the router from _your_ box ? |
| 05:50.16 | chaps0063 | jm_, done. |
| 05:50.19 | derek | this one? |
| 05:50.20 | Wyzard | jeff99: Either way you're running the same X server, and the same programs connected to it |
| 05:50.28 | jm_ | jeff99: it's basically the same, not much difference |
| 05:50.34 | jm_ | chaps0063: and the results? |
| 05:50.40 | xtension | derek yes |
| 05:50.45 | kingsley_ | When does the kernel assume that a parallel port is "busy"? |
| 05:50.46 | chaps0063 | nothing |
| 05:50.47 | derek | yeah, no problem |
| 05:50.48 | jeff99 | oh ok thanks guys. it feels good to learn how this X window business works though |
| 05:50.48 | Solet-deb | whats the best fs i could use for my media drive, one that will allow 777 on windows and linux? |
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| 05:50.59 | jm_ | Solet-deb: vfat |
| 05:51.18 | Wyzard | Solet-deb: FAT is the only filesystem that's fully read-write supported by both Windows and Linux |
| 05:51.30 | JoshH | if you want to share files between windows and linux on the same box, fat32 is the only choice, period |
| 05:51.32 | Solet-deb | ok |
| 05:51.35 | xtension | derek does ifconfig on the other box tell you you have an ip on the _same_ network as your box and your router ? |
| 05:51.38 | Wyzard | Solet-deb: (Windows-Linux compatibility is about the only good reason to use FAT anymore...) |
| 05:51.40 | technos | Solet-deb: UMSDOS. Adds Linux permissions to FAT partitions. Otherwise just use FAT |
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| 05:51.46 | Guerin | technos: hrm, interesting. |
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| 05:51.52 | chaps0063 | jm_, ok, CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m, CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m |
| 05:51.53 | pueblo | and ntfs to a certain extent (i think that ntfs write support 4 linux may not be complete though) |
| 05:52.03 | derek | xtension: i guess |
| 05:52.05 | JoshH | its too much work and doesnt work well enough |
| 05:52.12 | xtension | derek dont guess |
| 05:52.15 | caphuso | pueblo: there is no certain extent with ntfs |
| 05:52.17 | Wyzard | JoshH: Not quite... I boot my Windows installation in VMware, SSH from Windows to Debian, and upload things. :-) |
| 05:52.21 | JoshH | even more reason to use windows for nothing but games, imo |
| 05:52.25 | derek | other one is windows |
| 05:52.28 | Guerin | s/but games// |
| 05:52.31 | xtension | derek aahhh |
| 05:52.32 | jm_ | chaps0063: so you have them, just load the modules |
| 05:52.32 | derek | err, this one |
| 05:52.38 | xtension | derek thats the problem then |
| 05:52.51 | caphuso | pueblo: you have the choice between shredding your filesystem while trying to write to it or only doing useless writing. that's it |
| 05:52.52 | chaps0063 | jm_, how do i load them? |
| 05:52.54 | derek | hows that the problem |
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| 05:53.02 | pueblo | caphuso: ah |
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| 05:53.17 | jm_ | chaps0063: modprobe ac && modprobe battery && echo -e 'ac\nbattery' >> /etc/modules |
| 05:53.23 | xtension | derek does ifconfig on the other box tell you you have an ip on the _same_ network as your box and your router ? |
| 05:53.25 | Wyzard | pueblo: The old NTFS write support was dangerous... the new support is safe, but you can't create files or change the size of existing files |
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| 05:53.58 | Wyzard | pueblo: It's suitable for a situation where you make a big file on your NTFS partition, put ext3 or something inside it, and use that as your root filesytem for Linux, so you don't have to repartition |
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| 05:54.09 | pueblo | Wyzard: ok, thanks |
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| 05:54.30 | derek | i dont' know |
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| 05:54.36 | derek | it says inet addr: now though |
| 05:54.37 | Wyzard | pueblo: There's also CaptiveNTFS, which achieves full support by actually loading the Windows NTFS driver, but that's not part of the standard kernel |
| 05:54.51 | xtension | derek be more complete please |
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| 05:54.57 | chaps0063 | jm_, thanks. |
| 05:54.58 | technos | Is UMSDOS still in the kernel? Hmm.. |
| 05:55.09 | Wyzard | technos: It is, but it's pretty obsolete |
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| 05:55.25 | Guerin | grrr, i need a calendar dockapp |
| 05:55.26 | Wyzard | At least, I think it is... |
| 05:55.27 | derek | inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
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| 05:55.33 | Guerin | why are all dockapps so shit |
| 05:55.34 | Guerin | ? |
| 05:55.41 | streuner_ | Guerin: gdeskcal? |
| 05:55.52 | streuner_ | g |
| 05:56.00 | streuner_ | the only thing i like |
| 05:56.00 | deadcat | i just mkfs.ext3 -m 0 on my 160GB hd. after mounting. it only shows 147GB. is that correct? i loose alot here |
| 05:56.05 | Guerin | streuner_: i mean a windowmaker dockapp which will play nice with openbox, not evil gnomeware |
| 05:56.23 | technos | Wyzard: It was never terribly useful unless you wanted to install linux to a fat partition.. But it does do proper permissioning at least. |
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| 05:56.29 | xtension | derek do you have a firewall on the linux box ? |
| 05:56.32 | streuner_ | Guerin: gdeskcal play nice with ob3 |
| 05:56.32 | pueblo | deadcat: its probably b/c of the two differences in the definition of GB |
| 05:56.39 | Guerin | !1024x1024x1024x160 |
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| 05:56.48 | deadcat | pueblo: so its correct? |
| 05:56.49 | chaps0063 | jm_, the only problem I have is that I can't start battery monitor. |
| 05:56.51 | Guerin | !1024*1024*1024*160 |
| 05:56.51 | dpkg | 171798691840 |
| 05:56.55 | celeste | ok, my user has no /var/mail/user file in debian, is there any way to create one? |
| 05:56.55 | pueblo | deadcat: one (the hd manufacturer) may define a GB as 1000 MB, a MB as 1000 kb, etc |
| 05:57.00 | Guerin | woah, that ain't right |
| 05:57.02 | derek | xtension no, its brand new |
| 05:57.04 | trave11er | deadcat: by default 5% of a partition is reserved for root |
| 05:57.11 | deadcat | trave11er: i set to 0% |
| 05:57.16 | trave11er | deadcat: ah |
| 05:57.21 | Wyzard | technos: The problem with it nowadays is that it doesn't support long filenames on the "underlying" FAT filesystem |
| 05:57.22 | pueblo | deadcat: but the os usually defines a GB as 1024 MB (2^10 MB), etc |
| 05:57.23 | jeff99 | well why does firefox -display server:0.0 display on my local machine insted of the server i specified? |
| 05:57.33 | xtension | derek then ping 192.168.0.2 from the winblows box |
| 05:57.34 | deadcat | pueblo: so 147GB is ok? |
| 05:57.35 | Guerin | !1024*1024*1024*147 |
| 05:57.35 | dpkg | 157840048128 |
| 05:57.41 | Wyzard | technos: and nobody wants to deal with shorte~1 names anymore |
| 05:57.42 | Guerin | deadcat: there you go ^^^ |
| 05:57.43 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. thats what i got. |
| 05:58.02 | derek | nothing, my linux computer isn't even connecting to the router |
| 05:58.16 | pueblo | deadcat: probably, but it could also be that you're using an old kernel (prior to about 2.4.19), not sure, and it can't see all of ur hd space, but I doubt thats the problem |
| 05:58.25 | Guerin | celeste: man touch |
| 05:58.27 | xtension | derek its your cables or a broken net card |
| 05:58.28 | technos | Wyzard: Ah! I didn't remember it mangling. But then again, last time I actually used it was for a bunch of machines migrated from Win95 (They wanted to continue using a DOS based backup program) |
| 05:58.29 | streuner_ | derek: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 05:58.37 | celeste | Guerin: thanks |
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| 05:58.48 | jorgp | does debian have anything like getdelta for us dialup people? |
| 05:58.56 | xtension | derek check your cables whether they are fixed or replace them |
| 05:59.07 | jm_ | chaps0063: check if you have /proc/acpi/batter now |
| 05:59.13 | streuner_ | jorgp: wvdial isnt bad |
| 05:59.15 | jeff99 | is there a way to route output of a program that dosent have a -display argument nativly to another host? |
| 05:59.19 | Wyzard | technos: Technically, it's not mangling anything... the shortened names are actually stored on the disk; umsdos (and the msdos driver in general) is just incapable of recognizing the alternative long names |
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| 05:59.49 | xtension | derek if that still doestn help replace the network card |
| 05:59.58 | jorgp | streuner: no, I mean it gets diffs of new .deb packages compared to what you already have downloaded |
| 06:00.02 | derek | its a usb, no network card |
| 06:00.12 | pueblo | deadcat: the reason hd manufacturers use the smaller definition of a GB is because of course it looks like it has more space |
| 06:00.13 | derek | what modules do i need for usb, just usbcore and usbnet? |
| 06:00.14 | xtension | derek eheh |
| 06:00.19 | xtension | derek im tired |
| 06:00.21 | deadcat | pueblo: (=. |
| 06:00.31 | pueblo | deadcat: np |
| 06:00.32 | xtension | derek im getting some rest now |
| 06:00.46 | jeff99 | jm_, is there a way to get an application to display to another host if it dosent have a -display argument already built in |
| 06:00.55 | YaleR | a file of mine is 1 yale root 28322 - how do I change that root to yale? I used chown for the first |
| 06:01.00 | jm_ | jeff99: DISPLAY=foo:0 application |
| 06:01.11 | chaps0063 | jm_, ok, this all seems to be working, thanks. now i just need the brightness control to work. |
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| 06:01.47 | technos | YaleR: chgrp |
| 06:01.53 | YaleR | ah I see! |
| 06:01.54 | jeff99 | thanks jm_. do i have to do that for each program or just one time |
| 06:01.57 | YaleR | it's the group |
| 06:02.00 | YaleR | thanks technos |
| 06:02.05 | xtension | derek fix your usb / modules |
| 06:02.33 | derek | what modules do i need? |
| 06:02.45 | jm_ | jeff99: well you can set DISPLAY variable in shell and then start all your programs in that shell |
| 06:02.54 | xtension | derek or your kernel even |
| 06:03.46 | YaleR | technos: I still get a permission problem |
| 06:03.57 | chaps0063 | how do i adjust my brightness using xgamma? |
| 06:04.25 | xtension | chaps0063 close your eyes a bit |
| 06:04.33 | jeff99 | jm_ I want the machine running all the programs to automaticly load them to the other server whenver that server starts up. |
| 06:04.35 | technos | YaleR: You've changed both group and user, and you still can't access it? Next step is chmod. :) |
| 06:04.40 | chaps0063 | xtension, hehe |
| 06:04.45 | YaleR | yea I tried chmod too |
| 06:04.48 | YaleR | chmod 755? |
| 06:04.52 | xtension | chaps0063 wear sunglasses :) |
| 06:04.56 | chaps0063 | xtension, i want to do it because of it being on a laptop. |
| 06:05.03 | jbAU | YaleR: is it an ext2/3 filesystem? |
| 06:05.08 | YaleR | -rw-r--r-- 1 yale yale |
| 06:05.10 | YaleR | ext3 |
| 06:05.15 | xtension | chaps0063 its an x application right ? |
| 06:05.20 | chaps0063 | kde |
| 06:05.24 | chaps0063 | yes |
| 06:05.26 | xtension | chaps0063 clik n guess |
| 06:05.30 | technos | YaleR: That should be sane enough. And still can't cat the file? |
| 06:05.46 | YaleR | it's large... I wouldn't want to try... |
| 06:05.48 | YaleR | but here goes |
| 06:05.58 | technos | YaleR: Try tail on it then. :) |
| 06:05.59 | jbAU | no try head :P |
| 06:06.01 | YaleR | yeah... I think I crashed the system |
| 06:06.02 | YaleR | lol |
| 06:06.03 | YaleR | but it worked |
| 06:06.31 | YaleR | is it just an error in the file if I can't use the same program with it? |
| 06:06.37 | YaleR | I will try as root |
| 06:07.43 | YaleR | ah - it still works as root :P |
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| 06:09.19 | YaleR | it is alright then, thanks for the help technos, jbAU |
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| 06:09.35 | jm_ | jeff99: well use XDMCP |
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| 06:10.56 | jeff99 | jm_ yea thats what im thinking, it takes some processing power to manuver through the menus of twm |
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| 06:11.22 | jm_ | jeff99: you must be joking ;) |
| 06:11.29 | jeff99 | that my 200mhz dosent have, howver when |
| 06:11.39 | jeff99 | lol no im serious |
| 06:12.02 | jeff99 | cpu rates go up to 100% when clicking around on a menu thats running processes on my own server |
| 06:12.19 | jeff99 | i notice a slower response i guess |
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| 06:12.49 | technos | jeff99: twm should run fine on anything.. This 110 bogomip HP handles it fine, the 108 bogomip Sparc handles it fine.. |
| 06:13.01 | jm_ | jeff99: that's why you should use XDMCP so it's running on a fast one |
| 06:13.36 | jeff99 | right, now i have to figure out whats the best window manager for XDMCP |
| 06:14.07 | jm_ | they all work fine, just use whatever you like |
| 06:14.12 | Guerin | jeff99: first you have to understand that xdmcp makes your choice of wm irrelevant |
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| 06:14.27 | streuner_ | !wb simonrvn |
| 06:14.28 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! simonrvn has returned! |
| 06:15.07 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 06:15.07 | jeff99 | Guerin, when i run fluxbox of XDMCP, the machine thats reciving it uses 20MB |
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| 06:15.07 | jeff99 | but the server uses less |
| 06:15.30 | jeff99 | when i run gnome over XDMCP, the machine uses 15 but the server uses more resources... its interesting |
| 06:15.49 | Guerin | right. that's about the draw. |
| 06:16.07 | jm_ | don't worry about that if you're only using it for several hours, it becomes interesting after a few weeks ;) |
| 06:16.32 | simonrvn | for each image, tile of something, client, etc. it takes up a certain amount of the server's resources |
| 06:17.12 | jeff99 | hmm |
| 06:17.13 | simonrvn | mem, processor time, etc. it adds up. as you noticed, running something less resource-intensive takes up less mem and so on. |
| 06:17.39 | jeff99 | it seems that fluxbox uses more memory on the reciving end than the giving end, while gnome is oppist |
| 06:17.57 | jm_ | that reminds me - I need to reinstall munin-node when I finish my upgrade to Sarge - I guess I will lose my old data with X using 1G |
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| 06:18.23 | jeff99 | the reason i am trying to squeez as much out of the MB of mem as possible is because i want this to double time as a webserver/workstation for the family to browse the net with |
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| 06:18.45 | simonrvn | yeh, might have to do with the wm to a certain extent - some are more greedy than others. that's because some of them do everything, whereas some only do a bit, and hand off stuff to other processes |
| 06:18.49 | deathdellic | mud hows the weather down south |
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| 06:19.14 | simonrvn | you'd be better off dedicating a machine to web services |
| 06:20.05 | jeff99 | simonrvn, im a poor man |
| 06:20.07 | jeff99 | lol |
| 06:20.23 | simonrvn | jm_: 1 g? how much ram do you have, or is it mostly in swap now? ;) |
| 06:20.24 | jeff99 | i have to find the perfect wm |
| 06:20.44 | simonrvn | i'm poor too. most of my stuff is garbage pickings |
| 06:20.51 | jeff99 | or mabey a thiner x-server? if one exists |
| 06:21.00 | simonrvn | some exist |
| 06:21.10 | simonrvn | 'thinner' |
| 06:21.42 | simonrvn | you could also load less modules in the present one |
| 06:22.15 | jm_ | simonrvn: 512M, it was using a lot of swap at that time, I think I added second swap file to last longer ;) - swap area must have been > 2G at a time |
| 06:22.35 | simonrvn | heh. yeh, i figured it was all swappy |
| 06:22.44 | Weems | I need some help |
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| 06:22.47 | Weems | I need some help |
| 06:22.50 | Weems | oops |
| 06:22.53 | Weems | dpkg: error processing alsaconf_0.4.3b-4_all.deb (--install): |
| 06:22.53 | Weems | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.53 | Weems | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:22.53 | Weems | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.00 | simonrvn | i quit x after around 60 - 70 mb |
| 06:23.00 | Weems | there we go ^ |
| 06:23.06 | simonrvn | stop pasting |
| 06:23.09 | Weems | wht do I do here? |
| 06:23.11 | Weems | dory |
| 06:23.11 | simonrvn | !paster |
| 06:23.12 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 06:23.15 | jm_ | I can't be arsed quiting X every month |
| 06:23.16 | Weems | Im sorry |
| 06:23.31 | jeff99 | simonrvn, thats true. currently i have no modules loaded |
| 06:23.33 | simonrvn | i quit it every day =) |
| 06:23.54 | simonrvn | well, mostly every day. sometimes it'll be up for 2-3 days |
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| 06:24.14 | jeff99 | I guess i dont need any right |
| 06:24.35 | jm_ | right now I have it running since Feb 16, when I rebooted to insert a new sound card |
| 06:24.39 | paster | "Weems" at 24.179.7.89 pasted "Im trying to install alsa and alsa config, dpkg errors" (7 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/192 |
| 06:24.54 | simonrvn | Weems: 1) you showed only part of the error message, which helps no one; 2) what does the rest say, and remember this isn't windows, the error messages do mean something |
| 06:25.11 | Weems | thats everything dkpg returned |
| 06:25.39 | simonrvn | jeff99: you need some x server modules, otherwise you'll get crappy-looking fonts and other nasties |
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| 06:26.07 | jeff99 | ehh |
| 06:26.07 | Weems | theres some problem that its having with alsa-utils |
| 06:26.12 | simonrvn | um, there's more, i'm sure |
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| 06:26.37 | simonrvn | paste the *whole* thing... |
| 06:27.19 | jm_ | Weems: are you using Woody? |
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| 06:28.15 | jeff99 | simonrvn, you wouldnt happen to know what modules are neccessary for looking "ok would you |
| 06:28.26 | TimeKilla | Well well; I just learned me a ton of new stuff in the past hour. But despite how hard i tried. I was unable to determine what file Gnomes Desktop resolution tool was getting the available resolutions from (no not from the xf86config file). Any suggestions guys? |
| 06:29.03 | simonrvn | man X should tell you |
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| 06:29.17 | TimeKilla | i'll try that thanx. |
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| 06:29.24 | simonrvn | TimeKilla: x server |
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| 06:29.47 | jeff99 | k |
| 06:29.50 | simonrvn | reads off the available resolutions from the server itself |
| 06:29.59 | TimeKilla | hmm |
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| 06:30.16 | TimeKilla | OH MY GOD. |
| 06:30.30 | TimeKilla | I had to restart gnome to get the settings to take effect. |
| 06:30.46 | TimeKilla | !!!!bargh!!!! the angry hippy is relieved of frustrations. |
| 06:30.47 | dpkg | okay, TimeKilla |
| 06:30.51 | technos | TimeKilla: Just discover the intarweb has porn on it? |
| 06:31.10 | TimeKilla | lol |
| 06:31.13 | simonrvn | !lisauth TimeKilla |
| 06:31.16 | simonrvn | !listauth TimeKilla |
| 06:31.17 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'TimeKilla' (1): !!!bargh!!!! the angry hippy. |
| 06:31.27 | das | hi |
| 06:31.34 | simonrvn | !forget !!!bargh!!!! the angry hippy. |
| 06:31.35 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called '!!!bargh!!!! the angry hippy.' to forget, simonrvn |
| 06:31.39 | simonrvn | !forget !!!bargh!!!! the angry hippy |
| 06:31.40 | dpkg | simonrvn: i forgot !!!bargh!!!! the angry hippy |
| 06:31.52 | TimeKilla | lol |
| 06:31.56 | TimeKilla | what is that all about? |
| 06:31.57 | technos | Usually "OH MY GOD" is reserved for one of two things. Goatse, and schiesse-porn. |
| 06:32.15 | Guerin | technos: dpkg learns anything starting with a ! which has 'is' or 'are' in it |
| 06:32.27 | TimeKilla | ok i'll keep that in mind. |
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| 06:32.35 | das | hi |
| 06:32.50 | Guerin | technos: maybe those are the frustrations he's referring to |
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| 06:33.14 | simonrvn | yeh, the lack of goatse |
| 06:33.18 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 06:34.02 | TimeKilla | I guess I cannot restart just gnome from within it.. i can only restart the whole system? |
| 06:34.17 | simonrvn | um, what? |
| 06:34.29 | streuner_ | hm, intersting, after ubuntu release there were more users and traffic here vs. sarge release... |
| 06:34.29 | Guerin | TimeKilla: now's your opportunity to not use gnome because it's horribly broken |
| 06:34.58 | das | hi hi |
| 06:35.08 | mud | restart x ctrl>alt>bkspc |
| 06:35.17 | simonrvn | i use it... partly 'cause of laziness |
| 06:35.22 | TimeKilla | Ok, its fine, my goal was to learn as much of the shell as possible anyways. I just wanted the basic Gnome interface up and running smoothly. Thanx guys. |
| 06:35.31 | omerANT | i installed windows xp after debian linux, before there is a screen to access linux partition. Now i only access winxp, How can i start linux debian? |
| 06:35.49 | simonrvn | chroot to your linux install, re-run lilo |
| 06:35.50 | mud | install windows first |
| 06:35.52 | streuner_ | omerANT: re-run your bootloader |
| 06:36.20 | Guerin | omerANT: windows overwrites your MBR without asking, behavior which, if any other OS did it, would be considered a grave flaw |
| 06:36.27 | omerANT | i use debian installation disk but |
| 06:36.38 | omerANT | it want me to clean(format) |
| 06:37.08 | simonrvn | um, you don't have to go that far. just get a shell after you've done the h/w detection... |
| 06:37.09 | omerANT | i skip here , but it doesn't allow me to install grub or lilo without formatting |
| 06:37.18 | simonrvn | alt-F2 |
| 06:37.26 | Guerin | omerANT: drop into a shell with alt+F2 |
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| 06:37.54 | Guerin | mount your root drive, run grub-install /dev/hda ; update-grub |
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| 06:38.00 | streuner_ | omerANT: you know how to run it in an chroot? |
| 06:38.11 | omerANT | no? |
| 06:38.32 | omerANT | when should i press alt+f2 |
| 06:38.34 | simonrvn | well, might need to mount /proc, but once you've remounted / rw, it shouldn't be a problem (mount -a ;) |
| 06:38.38 | Guerin | omerANT: now |
| 06:38.47 | Guerin | omerANT: in linux, i mean |
| 06:38.54 | simonrvn | go find man chroot on the web... |
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| 06:39.34 | HelmutG | how to debug firefox and xfree86? running this combiantion appears several times slower than running it using freebsd, thus there must be something wrong! |
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| 06:40.13 | simonrvn | unaccelerated x for starters... |
| 06:40.16 | technos | Man, I've been ruined.. I just spent 15 seconds pounding on my numlock light expecting an apple volume key there. |
| 06:40.46 | omerANT | Guerin : after chroot , will i do something |
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| 06:42.19 | streuner_ | !listkeys chroot |
| 06:42.21 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'chroot' by key (11): chroot howto #DEL# ;; chroot ;; remote chroot install ;; postfix chroots ;; chroot ssh ;; chroot install #DEL# ;; chroot howto ;; chroot install ;; ssh chroot ;; chrooted base ;; bind9 chroot. |
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| 06:42.25 | HelmutG | someone on freebsd suggested a font problem, can someone explain this or show me something to read on that topic? |
| 06:43.04 | cast | if i want ot use a usb mouse, whats the right option in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? i dont immediately see a option that screams usb mouse :\ |
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| 06:43.22 | opqdonut | whew, just read the cdrecord linux hints file. never seen such linux bashing: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/man/README/README.linux |
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| 06:43.59 | simonrvn | omerANT: http://www.nuit.ca/cgi-bin/info2www?(coreutils)Modified+command+invocation |
| 06:44.03 | HelmutG | cast: afaik the default configuration already contains a lin making usb mouse devices usabel. be sure you installed hotplug or usbmgr. |
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| 06:44.40 | nomed^ | hi |
| 06:44.48 | cast | hmmm |
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| 06:45.22 | nomed^ | i found a script in internet that uses /etc/sysconf dir |
| 06:45.28 | TimeKilla | no i know i got to restart my xwindows session before changes to the xwindows configuration take effect, ahh, the mystery of a new os |
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| 06:46.08 | simonrvn | well yeh, some stuff will automagically re-read their conf, but others won't |
| 06:46.18 | nomed^ | from what i know debien doesn't use that dir .. from where does it take the same infos that can be found there? |
| 06:46.41 | plovs | anybody successfully installed debian on a ibm pc server 330? i'm having trouble getting the cdrom to be recognized |
| 06:47.16 | cast | ahh hell. i cant work this out. *puts the usb2ps2 adaptor back on* |
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| 06:47.54 | sep | plovs: not on your hardware, but i had issues on a intel 2userver, with the integrated cdrom, i had to attach a ide cdrom on the ata bus. then when i upgraded kernel the internal scsi cdrom also worked |
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| 06:48.13 | bob2 | opqdonut: joerge schilling has a massive anti-linux stick up his arse |
| 06:48.29 | bob2 | opqdonut: thank god sun released the source for solaris, so he can go hack on that and leave everyone else alone |
| 06:48.30 | lehel | hello |
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| 06:48.59 | jeff99 | is there any small footprint X servers out there? |
| 06:49.04 | lehel | how to find out a specific uid/gid ? |
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| 06:49.17 | bob2 | jeff99: xfree86/x.org aren't very heay |
| 06:49.19 | plovs | sep: it won't boot from ide, it doesn't have it on board and an external idecard is not boottable |
| 06:49.27 | bob2 | lehel: how do you mean? |
| 06:49.43 | mithro | hi! stable == sarge now? so if I had "stable" in /etc/apt/source.list i would now be getting sarge? |
| 06:49.47 | sep | jeff99: google for tinyx |
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| 06:49.53 | sep | jeff99: first hit |
| 06:49.57 | jeff99 | k |
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| 06:50.22 | bob2 | mithro: yes |
| 06:50.28 | lehel | bob2: i wanna find out "moin"s uid/gid, i don't know how |
| 06:50.38 | bob2 | lehel: grep moin /etc/passwd |
| 06:50.47 | mithro | so if I want to stay with woody i have to s/stable/woody ? |
| 06:50.49 | gid0ze | cast: use /dev/input/mice |
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| 06:50.52 | am88b | mithro: yup |
| 06:50.56 | bob2 | lehel: or "id moin" |
| 06:51.00 | bob2 | mithro: yes |
| 06:51.41 | lehel | thanks bob2 |
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| 06:52.42 | mithro | how long is woody likely to be maintained? |
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| 06:52.44 | simonrvn | getent passwd moin |
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| 06:52.59 | bob2 | mithro: potato got security updates for 18 months after woody came out |
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| 06:53.14 | bob2 | mithro: but afaik the security team hasn't made an announcement yet |
| 06:53.21 | frix | mornin - is there anyone running ffserver on sarge? |
| 06:53.26 | Solet-deb | how can i make a script run when i login to gnome (just me, no other users) |
| 06:54.02 | mithro | in theory the upgrade from woody to stable should be seemless right? |
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| 06:54.19 | simonrvn | 'seamless' |
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| 06:54.41 | bob2 | mithro: if you read the release notes, yeah |
| 06:54.53 | bob2 | Solet-deb: add it to the gnome session thing |
| 06:54.53 | mithro | where can i find the release notes? www.debian.org? |
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| 06:55.08 | simonrvn | yeh yeh, so i'm anal about certain things |
| 06:55.12 | Solet-deb | bob2: can you elaborate on gnome session thing? |
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| 06:55.34 | streuner_ | !release notes |
| 06:55.34 | dpkg | i guess release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 06:56.09 | bob2 | Solet-deb: session in the gnome preferences menu |
| 06:56.13 | bob2 | I forget where it is in gnome 2.8 |
| 06:56.15 | mithro | thanks |
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| 06:56.35 | streuner_ | !upgrade tests |
| 06:56.36 | dpkg | Upgrade Tests - It is recommended to read the release notes before upgrading, and in particular Chapter 4, "Upgrades from previous releases". upgrade report template to help when reporting problems with the upgrades (http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html). If you do run into problems please fill it out, and email it to submit@bugs.debian.org, thanks. |
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| 06:58.36 | mithro | is there any tutorial that I could do that would show me how to create a simple deb which moves diverts /lib/tls to /lib/tls.nonworking? |
| 06:58.51 | admrl_ | does anyone on here use enlightenment..? and know where i can get E 17 |
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| 06:59.07 | Solet-deb | bob2: gnome 2.8???? but gnome 2.10.0 was just released... how can it be 2.8? |
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| 06:59.27 | bob2 | Solet-deb: ... |
| 06:59.28 | streuner_ | admrl_: #e |
| 06:59.34 | bob2 | Solet-deb: I assumed you were using sarge |
| 06:59.40 | Solet-deb | i am |
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| 06:59.55 | fooz | oh nos, no 80386 support! My 1000 node cluster of 386sx16s is rendered useless! |
| 06:59.56 | Solet-deb | and sure enough 2.8.3... but that doesnt make sense... |
| 07:00.02 | admrl_ | good thinking streuner |
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| 07:00.24 | bob2 | Solet-deb: you know sarge froze months ago, right? |
| 07:00.32 | bob2 | Solet-deb: before 2.10 even came out, iirc |
| 07:00.37 | technos | fooz: Shaddup. CAPERS on four 386 was the bomb. |
| 07:00.40 | streuner_ | admrl: you will need an cvs account in order to get e17, that was 1-2 years ago, not sure its still the same... |
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| 07:00.57 | Solet-deb | bob2: yes... but why wouldnt it upgrade the same as everything else... |
| 07:01.02 | fooz | whatever that means |
| 07:01.27 | bob2 | Solet-deb: sarge is stable. that means no new software. |
| 07:01.42 | technos | fooz: Was one of the predecessors to real Intel clusters.. Cable Adapter for Process Execution and Rapid Synchronization. :) |
| 07:01.56 | Solet-deb | bob2: and upgrades count as 'new'??? |
| 07:02.03 | bob2 | Solet-deb: dude |
| 07:02.08 | bob2 | Solet-deb: think about it |
| 07:02.16 | bob2 | Solet-deb: gnome 2.10 adds new bits of software |
| 07:02.18 | jeff99 | on this old trident viedo card, when i start X i can only get 640x840 or something. if i lower the bpp will i get a higher resoultion? |
| 07:02.21 | bob2 | Solet-deb: makes hige changes to other bits |
| 07:02.47 | bob2 | jeff99: if lack of video ram is the problem |
| 07:03.30 | Solet-deb | does etch use 2.10 or does etch even exist yet? |
| 07:03.57 | streuner_ | dpkg, upgrade tests =~ S/Chapter 4/Chapter 4 <release notes>/ |
| 07:04.32 | streuner_ | dpkg, upgrade tests =~ s/Chapter 4/Chapter 4 <release notes>/ |
| 07:04.33 | dpkg | OK, streuner_ |
| 07:04.49 | bob2 | Solet-deb: etch exists but is currently identical to sarge |
| 07:05.25 | streuner_ | Solet-deb: packages goes from sid/unstable to testing about 1-2 weeks |
| 07:05.37 | streuner_ | sometimes less |
| 07:05.57 | streuner_ | so it will take a short period |
| 07:06.24 | jeff99 | how can i tell how much video memory i have? |
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| 07:06.54 | deadcat | jeff99: i use free -tm |
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| 07:07.17 | caphuso | that doesn't show video memory |
| 07:07.26 | deadcat | oh. video |
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| 07:07.39 | tarzeau | good morning - günaydin |
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| 07:08.21 | deadcat | jeff99: reboot the machine and watch the screen. |
| 07:09.04 | streuner_ | grep framebuffer XFree86.0.log |
| 07:09.28 | streuner_ | the value after framebuffer should be identical with your videomem |
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| 07:10.19 | jeff99 | thx man |
| 07:11.41 | jeff99 | one more ? whats the command to reconfigure XFree86-4 with that program that uses ncurses? |
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| 07:11.57 | jeff99 | dpkg --reconfigure XFree86 or somethinlik that? |
| 07:12.12 | JoshH | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:12.27 | jeff99 | thanks |
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| 07:15.25 | lilwade | hey whats up everyone...... i just installed Debian 3.1 |
| 07:15.49 | lilwade | and my screen resolution is poor..... is there anyway someone could help me out with reconfiguring this ??? |
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| 07:16.01 | streuner_ | !drxx lilwade |
| 07:16.02 | dpkg | lilwade: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 07:16.42 | [Rage] | ok, I'm sure the HAL problem is old by now :) but I just got sarge installed, any ideas yet? |
| 07:16.48 | jeff99 | streuner, where is XFree86.0.log |
| 07:17.01 | streuner_ | jeff99: /var/log/ |
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| 07:17.19 | lilwade | i dunno what to set it too..... |
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| 07:17.52 | lilwade | to give me my clear display, faster graphics etc....... cuz right now it looks worse than windows 3.1 LOL |
| 07:18.26 | PerfDave | lilwade: Oh, that's just Gnome, you can change that ;) |
| 07:18.32 | sep | lilwade: crt or lcd ? |
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| 07:18.42 | lilwade | crt |
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| 07:18.57 | Falkon | hey, does anyone use a printer on a windows box from linux? I need a bit of help. I have CUPS ready to go |
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| 07:19.23 | PerfDave | lilwade: A higher resolution should give you a nice clear display. |
| 07:19.28 | [Rage] | nothing on the hal problem yet? |
| 07:19.39 | lilwade | im tryin to get to a higher one..... |
| 07:19.39 | sep | !tell lilwade about drxx |
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| 07:47.40 | *** topic/#debian is SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | SID IS BACK, BAAAAAAYBE | INSTALLING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | non-us is part of main |
| 07:47.42 | Falkon | PerfDave: what? |
| 07:47.43 | bob2 | grahamoz: (debian runs on 11 architectures, remember) |
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| 07:48.42 | sep | nigh: i have such a box so i'd say it's possible yes |
| 07:48.42 | Falkon | PerfDave: that's the only way I've ever gotten it to work properly. Even then, it doesn't switch resolutions the correct way and goes into those virtual screens |
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| 07:48.49 | jm_ | sobersabre: yes |
| 07:48.53 | sobersabre | (let's say: md5 hashes are longer, and i can use longer passwords ) |
| 07:48.54 | PerfDave | nigh: I've installed Sarge on SATA hard drives |
| 07:48.55 | sobersabre | ok |
| 07:49.04 | PerfDave | Falkon: Well, I've never had to, and most people don't need to :) |
| 07:49.33 | nigh | PerfDave: Have you done it without any magic tricks? |
| 07:49.33 | sobersabre | now, are there tools to create such hashes ( except plain "passwd" utility - see, i must use NIS, so i need to scriptize passwd change/creating ) |
| 07:49.48 | sobersabre | preferrably PERL functions... |
| 07:49.48 | jm_ | sobersabre: mkpasswd |
| 07:49.48 | PerfDave | nigh: I just used the Sarge installer as per usual |
| 07:50.04 | jm_ | sobersabre: ehh, perl has crypt function |
| 07:50.04 | sobersabre | mkpasswd doesn't ask about hash type ( AFAIR ) |
| 07:50.10 | sobersabre | ok ... |
| 07:50.43 | sep | Falkon: only time i need to handedit the X config is when i have multiple cards and monitors. otherways the debian way is faster easier and less errorprone |
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| 07:50.44 | Falkon | PerfDave: what do you use to switch resolutions? Mine works fine at 1400x1050, but if I use ctrl alt plus/minus, it goes into the virtual desktop where it pans around |
| 07:50.44 | nigh | PerfDave: I tried net-install but it has tool old kernel 2.6.8 |
| 07:50.44 | Falkon | sep: I must be the only one who can't get it right |
| 07:50.46 | PerfDave | sobersabre: Don't you just need to use the yp stuff with NIS? |
| 07:50.49 | lilwade | ok |
| 07:50.52 | lilwade | i set this stuff up |
| 07:50.54 | PerfDave | nigh: 2.6.8 worked fine for my SATA controller |
| 07:51.00 | lilwade | do i have to restart for it to take effect ? |
| 07:51.06 | nigh | PerfDave: so I got "nothing to partitioning" |
| 07:51.17 | sep | lilwade: nope. you only need to restart X |
| 07:51.23 | Falkon | lilwade: ctrl alt backspace |
| 07:51.57 | PerfDave | Falkon: Uhm, ctrl-alt-plus and minus changes the resolution, not the desktop size. |
| 07:52.07 | sobersabre | problem is that i use SUSE clients. some how it doesn't work, well ... it doesn't work. only manual editing of nis passwd/shadow etc. |
| 07:52.10 | PerfDave | Falkon: You need to use xrandr - in KDE, use the "Screen Resize and Rotate" utility |
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| 07:52.28 | Falkon | PerfDave: oh... I use XFCE4, any programs you know of that can help me properly change it? |
| 07:52.28 | sobersabre | PerfDave, so i am writing a utility... ( if you know of a ready one I will be happy to use it ) |
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| 07:52.44 | PerfDave | sobersabre: It's been a few years since I used NIS |
| 07:52.47 | lilwade | OMG thank ya'll for helpin me it looks so much better now LOL |
| 07:52.54 | lilwade | and it runs faster |
| 07:53.00 | Falkon | lilwade: no prob |
| 07:53.06 | PerfDave | Falkon: xrandr should work from the command line, at least. Don't know about a GUI tool for XFCE4 |
| 07:53.08 | sobersabre | PerfDave, the utility shall have user/group management, passwd change ( on NIS server ), and must help me to set users quotas etc. |
| 07:53.18 | lilwade | ive never had to do that before..... so thanks..... now i know how to change it |
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| 07:53.22 | sobersabre | PerfDave, I think it is THE task to scriptize. |
| 07:53.23 | corpix | hi |
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| 07:53.25 | Falkon | PerfDave: thanks |
| 07:53.27 | lilwade | just think i would never have to ya kno what i mean LOL ? |
| 07:53.29 | PerfDave | sobersabre: I'm sure you can just use the existing NIS stuff for that. |
| 07:53.43 | lilwade | i got an Nvidia driver on cd |
| 07:53.45 | Falkon | PerfDave: I know KDE and GNOME have their own things. |
| 07:53.51 | lilwade | and java 2 jre |
| 07:53.57 | PerfDave | Falkon: They're just frontends to xrandr really. |
| 07:54.05 | lilwade | j2re* |
| 07:54.09 | Solet-deb | hrm i forgot what it was he told me a few hours ago..... whats the good disk utility in windows that will help me shift crap around so i can get out of ntfs? (i can cut a fat32, move stuff over, change the remaining ntfs to fat32 and repeat... untill everything is a fat32, then start combining them using frespace from other drives....) |
| 07:54.09 | Falkon | PerfDave: yeah, that's what I was told |
| 07:54.10 | corpix | is it possible to install debian to usb-stick using qemu ? (from th businesscard) |
| 07:54.20 | PerfDave | lilwade: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 07:54.29 | PerfDave | Solet-deb: Partition Magic, but it costs |
| 07:54.31 | PerfDave | lilwade: /msg dpkg java |
| 07:54.40 | Falkon | java-package |
| 07:54.40 | PerfDave | corpix: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
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| 07:54.47 | corpix | PerfDave: yes |
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| 07:55.00 | Falkon | ahhh #debian saved my linux life |
| 07:55.03 | Falkon | thank you |
| 07:55.07 | Solet-deb | perfdave: costs? do you mean its not freeware or that it costs as in its not always stable and can eat data? |
| 07:55.22 | lilwade | msg dpkg nvidia and java ??? |
| 07:55.30 | philstar | how do I get rid of packages from the new testing branch that I accidentally downloaded yesterday, not realising sarge had gone pseudo-stable? |
| 07:55.34 | lilwade | like message dpkg himself ? |
| 07:55.34 | jm_ | corpix: that question is answered in the installation manual |
| 07:55.40 | Falkon | lilwade: yes |
| 07:55.47 | Falkon | lilwade: dpkg is a bot |
| 07:55.49 | lilwade | oh he has drivers ??? |
| 07:55.53 | Falkon | no |
| 07:55.56 | drac | lilwade: yes, he has em |
| 07:56.00 | Falkon | lilwade: oh sorry |
| 07:56.02 | caphuso | philstar: you don't. there were no new packages in the testing branch yesterday |
| 07:56.03 | drac | :P |
| 07:56.10 | deadcat | lilwade: he had howtos.just /msg dpkg |
| 07:56.19 | Falkon | drac: I'm an idiot, oops |
| 07:56.34 | lilwade | the Nvidia driver is a Debian nvidia driver set up as a Dpkg so is java j2re |
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| 07:56.43 | philstar | caphuso: you sadden me, my mousewheel doesn't work as of installing x packages yesterday ;( |
| 07:56.46 | lilwade | i have them on a disc :D |
| 07:56.58 | gwang | my server is down, whenever I reboot computer, it is stopping at Li and there is no advances, I have already tried to /sbin/lilo and check the /etc/lilo.conf file, there is already lb~32, So what I have to do solve my problem, if anybody knows about it, please help me |
| 07:57.03 | loadd77 | how can i turn off the ipx protocol on linux ? |
| 07:57.09 | corpix | jm_: the word "qemu" inst in the manual |
| 07:57.13 | loadd77 | for in and outgoing traffic |
| 07:57.17 | philstar | caphuso thanks anyway |
| 07:57.21 | Falkon | philstar: I still haven't gotten my mouse wheel working |
| 07:57.30 | corpix | *isn't |
| 07:57.43 | lilwade | im glad i have Debian 3.1 the real version instead of distro :D |
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| 07:57.46 | jm_ | corpix: no, but supported storage systems are listed |
| 07:57.52 | Solet-deb | perfdave: costs? do you mean its not freeware or that it costs as in its not always stable and can eat data? |
| 07:57.55 | caphuso | philstar: then you're not telling us the truth |
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| 07:58.04 | philstar | Falkon: mine was working until yesterday |
| 07:58.11 | philstar | caphuso: what truth might I be hiding? |
| 07:58.22 | caphuso | philstar: what X packages you actually installed |
| 07:58.26 | Falkon | philstar: do you use a usb mouse? |
| 07:58.34 | philstar | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 07:58.39 | philstar | Falkon: yes, usb, sry |
| 07:58.56 | caphuso | !info xserver-xfree86 testing |
| 07:58.57 | philstar | caphuso: I didn't force anything to be installed |
| 07:58.57 | caphuso | !info xserver-xfree86 stable |
| 07:58.58 | Falkon | philstar: in your x config is it /dev/psaux or something else? |
| 07:59.10 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (etch), Packaged size: 5607 kB, Installed size: 15616 kB |
| 07:59.23 | edon | how do I setup hal in debian? There's no package that contains hald |
| 07:59.30 | Solet-deb | does anyone log in here? |
| 07:59.33 | drac | edon: apt-get install hal ? |
| 07:59.43 | jm_ | edon: bollocks |
| 07:59.47 | Falkon | Solet-deb: I believe my logs are running |
| 07:59.59 | philstar | Falkon: looks like /dev/psaux, from XF86Config-4 |
| 08:00.03 | edon | drac, that doesn't have any hald |
| 08:00.05 | edon | jm_, ? |
| 08:00.08 | caphuso | !info xserver-xfree86 stable |
| 08:00.08 | Falkon | philstar: thanks |
| 08:00.11 | jm_ | edon: hald is packaged |
| 08:00.18 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (sarge), Packaged size: 5607 kB, Installed size: 15616 kB |
| 08:00.19 | edon | jm_, where? |
| 08:00.21 | Solet-deb | Falkon: is there some way you could put the logs that could contain the last 7 hours on to the net? |
| 08:00.23 | jm_ | edon: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:00.37 | drac | edon: hal: usr/sbin/hald, hal: etc/hal/hald.conf |
| 08:00.40 | drac | edon: yes it has. |
| 08:00.43 | caphuso | see, same version of X in both stable and testing. and unsurprisingly so |
| 08:00.54 | Falkon | Solet-deb: I haven't been idling in here |
| 08:00.58 | edon | hmm, how could that be |
| 08:00.59 | gwang | Oh my god, is there nobody who knows it? |
| 08:01.01 | Solet-deb | oh :( |
| 08:01.43 | gwang | ?? |
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| 08:02.03 | gwang | am I kicked off? |
| 08:02.13 | drac | gwang: no. |
| 08:02.14 | Falkon | gwang: yes |
| 08:02.18 | drac | heh |
| 08:02.22 | philstar | caphuso: I'm not sure it was the xserver package itself, it might have just been xlib-mesa etc. - how do I find out what packages were installed yesterday? |
| 08:03.00 | caphuso | philstar: those are the same versions too |
| 08:03.55 | philstar | well, something clearly broke between yesterday and today, and I know that lots of packages were being upgraded, so that would be my best guess |
| 08:04.25 | philstar | or maybe the day before... hmm... |
| 08:04.29 | sep | !devinputmice philstar |
| 08:04.38 | sep | philstar: as long as you use the correct modules that works |
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| 08:05.17 | kneet_ | Now - why - aptitude dist-upgrade - wants to remove exim4-daemon-heavy - and install new exim4-daemon-light mdetect nano read-edid - nothing upgraded - just new packages - I wonder what triggered that |
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| 08:07.23 | WhiteNinja | <<-- prefers a short briefing in private (german preferred, my english isnt as good as it could be), some questions about preferences and other settings.. thx.. any hints are welcome |
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| 08:08.14 | edon | why hald doesn't start? |
| 08:08.16 | ketter | kneet_: read the changelog, you'll probably find usefull information about the change there |
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| 08:08.23 | mz | i all |
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| 08:08.35 | dawt | mz.. |
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| 08:08.41 | dawt | i have a ? for you.. |
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| 08:09.02 | ketter | a question dawt ? |
| 08:09.11 | mz | just ask it |
| 08:09.17 | kneet_ | Will do - just a little puzzled - since - if nothing is upgraded - why does aptitude trigger? I mean - if I'd asked for nano or one of those other packages ... I'd understand it a bit better:) |
| 08:09.24 | gpm | um. i've been spoiled. using sid has caused no serious problems...so now i'm thinking maybe i should move to testing, should i just update my sources.list and wait for testing versions to catch up with what's currently on my box, or is there a better way? or should i reinstall? |
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| 08:09.55 | caphuso | gpm: if you're using sid, you can't just decide to switch to testing |
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| 08:10.06 | ketter | kneet_: again, take a look at the changelog.. it happens quite often that the structure is change if you're working with unstable |
| 08:10.17 | kneet_ | testing -> stable dist-upgrade |
| 08:10.21 | gpm | caphuso: so, if i changed the sources.list to say testing, what would happen? |
| 08:10.26 | caphuso | gpm: nothing |
| 08:10.38 | kneet_ | or rather sarge->stable |
| 08:10.48 | arthur | what's up with security.debian.org ? |
| 08:10.50 | gpm | caphuso: so...basically the only thing for me to do is live with sid or reinstall? |
| 08:10.56 | caphuso | gpm: basically |
| 08:10.59 | gpm | damn |
| 08:11.01 | gpm | oh well |
| 08:11.02 | gpm | thanks |
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| 08:14.02 | WhiteNinja | caphuso, i guess u r german, may i come for some min in private? pls? |
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| 08:14.33 | caphuso | WhiteNinja: i'm not going anywhere near your private |
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| 08:14.54 | caphuso | WhiteNinja: if you have a question, just god damn ask it. if you can't, go away |
| 08:14.58 | WhiteNinja | i didnt meant personally.. only for asking *smile |
| 08:15.05 | sobersabre | i am trying to make artsd to work with jack, i downloaded the source, compiled. set the sink to be jack... but it doesn't work... what shall i do ... ? |
| 08:15.29 | simonrvn | just ask already... what's this obsession with /msging people with something public... |
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| 08:15.38 | Aronofsky | hi |
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| 08:16.38 | simonrvn | sobersabre: um, i think you have a thinko there, WTF would you run artsd and jack at the same time? |
| 08:16.56 | Aronofsky | little question about sarge release, i have testing in my apt sources, but i ain't got big updates yet, when will all the packages updates ? |
| 08:17.13 | simonrvn | should maybe think of changing your nick to drunkensabre instead... |
| 08:17.17 | sobersabre | simonrvn, i want to be able to use skype with other audio apps. |
| 08:17.23 | caphuso | Aronofsky: it'll happen when it happens. couple of days, two weeks, maybe a bit longer |
| 08:17.30 | sobersabre | simonrvn, thanks for the question though... |
| 08:17.32 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 08:18.06 | sobersabre | simonrvn, jack gives good sound. artsd has artsdsp |
| 08:18.06 | simonrvn | you're on your own if you want to use skype, or bug their support. isn't that a pay service? |
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| 08:18.34 | jm_ | sobersabre: try "/msg dpkg dmix" and http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html |
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| 08:18.49 | simonrvn | you're not getting it: they're both sound daemons... |
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| 08:20.11 | jm_ | moron team more like it |
| 08:20.12 | bob2 | LoRez: alindeman |
| 08:20.14 | xsdg | hrm |
| 08:20.15 | Falkon | oops |
| 08:20.17 | mz | m$ sold these people :) |
| 08:20.18 | xsdg | bob2: I'm here |
| 08:20.21 | WhiteNinja | want to set up my first deb-box (having a second as apt-proxy), prefer testing as *debs.. the installbase was a sarge-deb-clon.. changed sources-list to testing and set preferences for testing like 800.. will this have the desired effect? |
| 08:20.22 | Falkon | I didn't even see that |
| 08:20.25 | Teemu_K | yarr |
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| 08:20.26 | Aronofsky | caphuso, ok, and is it normal that i can't access deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main anymore ? |
| 08:20.28 | Teemu_K | what happened? |
| 08:20.30 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 08:20.34 | caphuso | Aronofsky: yes |
| 08:20.34 | Falkon | I just can in and 30,000 people had quit |
| 08:20.36 | bob2 | xsdg: ah, thanks |
| 08:20.56 | Aronofsky | caphuso, can you explain me why briefly ? |
| 08:20.58 | bob2 | Teemu_K: idiot spammers |
| 08:21.03 | Falkon | Teemu_K: some retard came in with floodbots saying team windows |
| 08:21.08 | Teemu_K | :/ |
| 08:21.14 | caphuso | Aronofsky: for the obvious reason: because testing doesn't get security updates |
| 08:21.24 | xsdg | it's been some time since they've visited, no? |
| 08:21.24 | Falkon | closed source, closed mind |
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| 08:21.50 | Aronofsky | caphuso, it will just come back later ? |
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| 08:21.51 | simonrvn | yay debhelper |
| 08:22.06 | caphuso | Aronofsky: in the last two and a half weeks before etch gets released |
| 08:22.11 | Empty | Is there some magic that can make apt-get *not* run lilo after installing a new kernel-image? |
| 08:22.18 | caphuso | i.e. in about 3 years |
| 08:22.28 | caphuso | Empty: yes, configure your /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 08:22.41 | jm_ | Empty: man kernel-img.conf |
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| 08:23.06 | Aronofsky | caphuso, what should I do then, let testing in my sources file and juste wait for updates ? |
| 08:23.19 | caphuso | Aronofsky: you should do what you want to do |
| 08:23.26 | simonrvn | yay debhelper |
| 08:23.30 | bob2 | Aronofsky: testing doesn't get security updates |
| 08:23.31 | simonrvn | yay ops |
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| 08:23.43 | caphuso | Aronofsky: better yet, go hire a competent sysadmin who understands the implications |
| 08:23.43 | Empty | I appear to not have that file |
| 08:23.48 | fooz | writing resume sux0rs |
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| 08:24.12 | bob2 | fooz: I find it's a good chance to make use of my imagination ;) |
| 08:24.16 | fooz | haha |
| 08:24.26 | nse | i want to buy popcorn, what the fuck was that? |
| 08:24.29 | fooz | i don't know where to start on mine |
| 08:24.31 | Aronofsky | bob2, i never really get what security updates were, can you explain me briefly why there are no more on testing |
| 08:24.46 | bob2 | nse: moronic spammers |
| 08:24.52 | caphuso | Aronofsky: there never were security updates for testing. it's as simple as that |
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| 08:25.24 | bob2 | Aronofsky: security updates = the debian security team gets notice of security issues in packages in stable (usually before they are public), and fixes them and puts the fixed packages on security.debian.org |
| 08:25.46 | bob2 | Aronofsky: tetsing doesn't have that, it just did for a short period before it was released |
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| 08:26.02 | Aronofsky | bob2, ok thx |
| 08:26.03 | _R_R | hello, yesterday my thunderbird hanged.. I killed it using kill -9 and now it hangs every time I try to start it (eating all cpu), any ideas? |
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| 08:26.27 | caphuso | that's why you don't use kill -9 |
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| 08:26.42 | _R_R | caphuso: I only use -9 when all else fails.... |
| 08:27.07 | Aronofsky | bob2, so now to stay in testing i just let testing in my sources file and wait a few days, then big updates will come , right ? |
| 08:27.46 | bob2 | some number of days, yes |
| 08:27.50 | _R_R | I already tried removing .parentlock, I've reinstalled thunderbird... no succes |
| 08:27.50 | bob2 | but you will have no security updates |
| 08:27.57 | caphuso | _R_R: getting rid of your ~/.thunderbird directory should work |
| 08:28.01 | bob2 | perl in testing had a serious security issue for six months in 2003 |
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| 08:28.26 | _R_R | caphuso: and how would I be able to get my mail back after that? |
| 08:28.31 | caphuso | _R_R: backups? |
| 08:28.49 | Aronofsky | bob2, thats ok it just for my personal computer |
| 08:28.52 | caphuso | try investigating some less broken MUAs too |
| 08:28.53 | dawt | can someone fix my router..? it's broooooooooooooooooken.. |
| 08:29.07 | Empty | Odd, have one on the laptop but not on the server |
| 08:29.14 | simonrvn | can you ask a real question instead of acting like a dufus? |
| 08:29.17 | _R_R | caphuso: good one, I really should make them ;) I can read my mail from shell fine, the mail files don't look corrupted |
| 08:29.33 | Empty | dawt, someone certainly can. Possible someone here if it is debian |
| 08:29.50 | drac | !info gcc-4.0 unstable |
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| 08:31.21 | sobersabre | hi.. |
| 08:31.24 | Aronofsky | bob2, just another thing i don't understand, now sid will become testing , right ? |
| 08:31.32 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 08:31.32 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 08:31.33 | directhex|work | wrong. |
| 08:31.42 | sobersabre | i am trying to automate passwd. changes. |
| 08:31.44 | sobersabre | using: |
| 08:31.45 | mz | !sid faq |
| 08:31.45 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 08:31.45 | directhex|work | sid will become sid. etch will begin existing, as testing |
| 08:31.50 | sobersabre | yppasswd $user <<- EOF |
| 08:31.54 | sobersabre | it doesn't work |
| 08:31.59 | sobersabre | in /bin/sh |
| 08:32.01 | mz | yep directhex|work |
| 08:32.03 | sobersabre | what's wrong ? |
| 08:32.07 | _R_R | what does thunderbird use to figure out if a profile is in use? |
| 08:32.26 | Guerin | _R_R: lockfile |
| 08:32.32 | Guerin | _R_R: fix your nick |
| 08:32.50 | caphuso | rr<tab> is comparatively easy to type |
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| 08:32.55 | Guerin | ronrad: thanks |
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| 08:33.04 | ronrad | guerin: where can I find the lockfile? |
| 08:33.08 | Guerin | oh, i didn't figure out rr<tab> |
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| 08:33.24 | ljosha | re |
| 08:33.24 | Guerin | ronrad: .mozilla/thunderbird/default.something/lock |
| 08:33.35 | jm_ | sobersabre: same reason you can't do that with passwd |
| 08:33.59 | ronrad | guerin: isn't there, but thunderbird does say the profile is in use |
| 08:34.20 | ljosha | I've got the following problem - "open/save file" dialogs not workin' in gtk2 programs. Just freezes after it and nothing else. Any suggestions? |
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| 08:34.41 | simonrvn | uh oh |
| 08:34.45 | cznuck | hi, as root, i install some packages. how do i change their ownership to non-root? |
| 08:34.45 | sussudio | spammy |
| 08:34.48 | simonrvn | @ops Guest* is back |
| 08:34.49 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Guest* is back |
| 08:35.42 | Guerin | ronrad: hrm, beats me then |
| 08:36.03 | Aronofsky | directhex|work, ok so etch is the new testing ? |
| 08:36.25 | directhex|work | Aronofsky, yes. |
| 08:36.45 | Aronofsky | directhex|work, ok think i get it, lol , thx |
| 08:37.29 | Guerin | cznuck: what the fuck? |
| 08:37.39 | Guerin | cznuck: to what end? |
| 08:38.22 | cznuck | Guerin, what the fuck to what end? what the fuck is this q? |
| 08:38.27 | ronrad | anyway I can import mail into thunderbird from files (mbox format afaik) |
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| 08:39.35 | Guerin | cznuck: your question 1) makes no sense without context and 2) betrays a profound misunderstanding of how debian packaging works. Some clarification will be necessary before you can get a meaningful response. |
| 08:40.52 | cznuck | Guerin, when i try to use my packages as non-root, i cannot write files because of permission problem. what should i do? |
| 08:41.13 | simonrvn | ...or unix file permissions for that matter... |
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| 08:41.43 | Guerin | cznuck: details. Which packages, use them how, precisely what errors. |
| 08:41.51 | slfvwm | ? |
| 08:41.55 | Guerin | cznuck: and trying to write where |
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| 08:42.51 | cznuck | ok, say, gimp. i install it as root. then i use it as non-root. when i create a new graphics and try to save it, permission pronlem. |
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| 08:43.11 | Phated | cznuck: Save it somewhere you're allowed to write, then. |
| 08:43.12 | jm_ | save it to $HOME |
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| 08:43.42 | Guerin | !fundamentals |
| 08:43.43 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 08:43.51 | toonX | sound is working fine , still when booting i get this Setting up ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'No state is present for card rev60'. done , any ideas? |
| 08:44.09 | directhex|work | toonX, run "alsactl store" as root |
| 08:44.12 | initech | wow. that message is a little harsh |
| 08:44.15 | cznuck | Phated, it's already been installed. i want to save everything into the original default dir, whether root or non-root. |
| 08:44.28 | directhex|work | cznuck, no, you don't. |
| 08:44.32 | Phated | Uhm... |
| 08:44.33 | Guerin | cznuck: your original default dir is /home/yourusernamehere |
| 08:44.41 | toonX | directhex|work cool thanks |
| 08:44.46 | caphuso | cznuck: hell, no. this is _not_ windows 95 |
| 08:44.56 | cznuck | Guerin, not when i install as root. |
| 08:44.58 | caphuso | cznuck: so, please, stop treating it like it |
| 08:45.02 | Phated | What does it being installed have to do with anything? :/ |
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| 08:45.45 | KimHansen | Are there any potential problems in the woody->sarge upgrade which is not mentioned in the release notes? |
| 08:45.51 | cznuck | sorry to say it, but you guys are below par, as far as i am conerned. |
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| 08:46.03 | caphuso | *grrrr* |
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| 08:46.18 | caphuso | why the fuck are morons allowed to adminstrate computers? |
| 08:46.23 | directhex|work | hold on... gimp in debian is 2.2, compiled with gtk 2.6 - it uses the modern gtk save dialogs, which ALWAYS default to $home |
| 08:46.35 | Phated | Indeed it does. |
| 08:46.36 | directhex|work | even when you don't want them to |
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| 08:46.37 | liable | !test |
| 08:46.38 | dpkg | No, liable, you're not online any more. |
| 08:46.45 | liable | good |
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| 08:47.07 | Phated | /ctcp stab liable - no route to host. ;) |
| 08:47.10 | Aronofsky | is there a way to know, in the packages install on my machines , which ones are from unstable ? |
| 08:47.30 | toonX | directhex|work got ridd of that warning , thanks again |
| 08:47.38 | Phated | Aronofsky: One would hope all or none of them are. |
| 08:47.44 | directhex|work | Aronofsky, in an automated fashion? not that i know of. perhaps with some stylish scripting |
| 08:47.54 | directhex|work | toonX, let's just hope it stays gone, yeah? |
| 08:47.55 | liable | bah, lag lag lag overflow, bite phated :) |
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| 08:49.13 | Aronofsky | Phated, juste did some pinnig to get package from unstable while freezing ( as amule for exemple ) |
| 08:49.14 | toonX | directhex|work yep, hope for the best! |
| 08:49.44 | Azverkan | there a way to query the bug database from online? I see the database at http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ but I dont see a way to search based on bug description -- my debian sarge install is hosed because it decided to mke2fs with a ridiculously low number of inodes in the filesystem and now it won't boot |
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| 08:50.16 | directhex|work | rob^, you're supposed to have problems with sid, otherwise any idiot would run it |
| 08:50.26 | rob^ | hehe yeah |
| 08:50.32 | moi | hey, does someone know to add "watermarks" (like google has on their satellite pics) to a picture? |
| 08:50.44 | rob^ | just a few missing packages is all |
| 08:50.45 | initech | moi: gimp |
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| 08:51.04 | moi | initech, any other prog that can do it.. gimp is too big for my small cpu ;) |
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| 08:51.36 | initech | moi: you need something that can do layers and manipulate the opacity of the layers. I can't think of anything else. |
| 08:51.37 | moi | also it would be great if i could it let it do in batch mode. i got like 30 pics to do like that |
| 08:51.51 | moi | mhhh |
| 08:51.54 | initech | moi: imagemagik perhaps |
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| 08:52.06 | moi | initech, ok thanks i'll check that out |
| 08:52.52 | kneet_ | caphuso, you mean we should have an online exam that you have to complete before being allowed to download the installer? |
| 08:53.15 | caphuso | kneet: no. i mean everybody who's obviously not competent enough should not get any support |
| 08:53.25 | caphuso | that'd do the trick |
| 08:53.49 | directhex|work | caphuso, sounds like the system already in place |
| 08:53.55 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:54.00 | caphuso | directhex|work: it's not enforced enough |
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| 08:55.39 | caphuso | 21:23:12 <foo> how do i delete a directory? 21:23:13 foo was kicked from #debian ["buy a unix book, moron"] |
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| 08:56.27 | directhex|work | who's setting the standard for "clue", though? you? |
| 08:56.40 | directhex|work | it's a little bit arbitrary |
| 08:57.34 | caphuso | everything a decent unix introduction would teach |
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| 08:58.08 | caphuso | file permissions, simple network configuration, how to use man etc. effectively |
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| 08:58.55 | caphuso | additionally stuff that's obviously against all common sense (asking meta questions etc.) |
| 08:59.18 | directhex|work | meta questions have some logic to them |
| 08:59.36 | caphuso | no, they don't |
| 08:59.40 | directhex|work | i'm not saying they're correct, but there is reasoning behind their use |
| 08:59.51 | caphuso | they're abusive, fucked up, impolite, incredibly stupid |
| 08:59.58 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
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| 09:00.54 | thomas_adam | I guess it depends on the person. Besides, they generally don't make the same mistake twice -- especially after being chastised. :P |
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| 09:01.15 | directhex|work | people need to start somewhere |
| 09:01.37 | directhex|work | i joined #debian about 14 months ago, because i was having dist-upgrade issues on sid |
| 09:01.38 | thomas_adam | Sure. |
| 09:01.42 | caphuso_ | learning how to use google would be a nice starting point. too many fail |
| 09:01.50 | directhex|work | that said, i saw the exact issue outlined in the topic, so didn't bother to ask |
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| 09:02.02 | Phated | You READ the topic? |
| 09:02.05 | Phated | ;) |
| 09:02.13 | thomas_adam | People learn in different ways. Unfortunately, IME, telling someone to simply "google" is often counter-productive, |
| 09:02.15 | directhex|work | well i don't ANYMORE |
| 09:02.18 | Phated | Good lord, so it's not just a myth. |
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| 09:02.25 | directhex|work | i'm above that now, i;m an abusive regular |
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| 09:02.48 | directhex|work | if it's not in a dpkg factoid, it can't be useful info |
| 09:02.58 | thomas_adam | You keep telling yourself, that. :P |
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| 09:03.05 | directhex|work | or a slightly differing ravenbird factoid, to be cool |
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| 09:04.42 | KimHansen | kneet: Type the insult in advance and just fill in the name when someone asks a question |
| 09:05.02 | initech | KimHansen: hey! that's what I do |
| 09:05.04 | Phated | Inefficient. You have keybindings for your insults, silly. |
| 09:05.07 | directhex|work | or start binding shortcuts in your irc client |
| 09:05.26 | thomas_adam | Or get the bots to do it. |
| 09:05.30 | initech | Phated: same thing |
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| 09:05.45 | directhex|work | of course, only lame people use actual irc clients, all the cool kids use netcat |
| 09:05.46 | Phated | initech: No no, if you type them in advance, you HAVE to use that one. |
| 09:05.48 | cantona | when will the xorg really in the sid? |
| 09:05.53 | cantona | ready |
| 09:06.05 | ArtVandalae | Hello. I've just wgot an image, but the image has no extension. How can I find what file-type the image is? |
| 09:06.13 | thomas_adam | cantona: If and when it is ever ready. |
| 09:06.13 | initech | when it will really in the sid ready? only time will tell |
| 09:06.18 | POVaddct | ArtVandalae: file <imagename> |
| 09:06.21 | directhex|work | cantona, when someone gets around to it. from what i hear, part of the problem might be getting it working on all arches |
| 09:06.21 | beardy | ArtVandalae: 'file foofile' |
| 09:06.40 | ArtVandalae | Thanks guys |
| 09:07.09 | quitte | i personally think it might be worth waiting for xorg7.0. |
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| 09:07.24 | thomas_adam | I personally don't care whether we use it or not. |
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| 09:07.37 | KimHansen | directhex|work: I never found out how to login via netcat/telnet, I found IRC to be more complicated than SMTP/POP/IMAP/etc |
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| 09:08.17 | thomas_adam | KimHansen: Really. |
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| 09:10.02 | putri | hai |
| 09:10.03 | putri | ? |
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| 09:10.37 | putri | hai |
| 09:10.54 | sep | !hai |
| 09:10.55 | dpkg | Helicopter Association International. The Human Awareness Institute |
| 09:11.01 | directhex|work | thomas_adam, personally, i'd say it's important from a hardware support level. sarge lacks support for 12-month old graphcis cards, unless you use vesa or binary drivers |
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| 09:11.32 | thomas_adam | directhex|work: shurgs. |
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| 09:12.05 | directhex|work | thomas_adam, i'm sure it doesn't matter to the sun-ultra-5-using debian masses, but the small minority with recent computers could do with the boost |
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| 09:13.13 | sep | directhex|work: now my 433 alpha feels left out... |
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| 09:13.32 | directhex|work | sep, pfft, alpha. all the cool kids run mipsel these days anyway |
| 09:13.56 | sep | directhex|work: no respect for the elder :P |
| 09:14.03 | redspike | Anyone know any nice SMS application that works with Simens TC35i GSM Modem? |
| 09:14.26 | sep | redspike: only your right hand thump im afraid... |
| 09:14.33 | directhex|work | boycer, p... what? is that a new variant of s390? |
| 09:14.48 | lenny666 | hello! could you tell me wich command show-s the version of linux i have???????? |
| 09:14.52 | redspike | sep: what? |
| 09:14.53 | _joey | Operating System Sucks-Rules-O-Meter http://srom.zgp.org/ |
| 09:14.54 | boycer | directhex|work: something like that :) |
| 09:14.54 | directhex|work | !version |
| 09:14.54 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 09:14.56 | _joey | :)) |
| 09:15.00 | lenny666 | tnx |
| 09:15.41 | lenny666 | erm....not working |
| 09:15.49 | directhex|work | !not working |
| 09:15.50 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 09:16.25 | sep | _joey: im amazed and awed there is actualy more then 2k persons that think windows is good |
| 09:16.43 | _joey | sep are you ?:) |
| 09:16.56 | lenny666 | bye |
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| 09:17.10 | _joey | Must be all those people employed by MS |
| 09:17.21 | sep | _joey: lol |
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| 09:17.42 | boycer | windows has it's place: just underneath halflife 2 |
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| 09:18.02 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 09:18.14 | boycer | ...and nowhere else |
| 09:18.20 | directhex|work | i disagree |
| 09:18.20 | sep | boycer: cedega ? |
| 09:18.27 | directhex|work | it runs Guild Wars rather well too |
| 09:18.29 | boycer | sep: bless you |
| 09:18.36 | sep | directhex|work: also cedega ? |
| 09:18.42 | directhex|work | sep, nope. |
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| 09:19.24 | directhex|work | sep, it can't download updates from the server, and camera movement only works in 1.5 dimensions (i.e. only down & not up, in y axis) |
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| 09:20.44 | deadcat | cant believe it suck so bad to put a fucking hd into a computer... took me all evening and i decided to give up |
| 09:21.24 | directhex|work | why, what was the problem? |
| 09:22.00 | jetscreamer | jumper :) |
| 09:22.28 | wishie | RLE hard disk :P |
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| 09:24.35 | terje` | I have testing in my apt-sources, and when I do an apt-get update I get this: |
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| 09:25.55 | terje` | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.19 | thomas_adam | terje`: Yes. Testing has no security updates. |
| 09:26.25 | reagent | terje`: I don't think there is a security team for etch |
| 09:26.27 | terje` | ah ok |
| 09:26.37 | terje` | so just remove them for now |
| 09:26.38 | terje` | ? |
| 09:26.57 | terje` | or let them point to sarge |
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| 09:27.38 | jetscreamer | right |
| 09:28.03 | terje` | k tnx :) |
| 09:28.07 | jetscreamer | but you would need to point everything at sarge |
| 09:28.18 | comet45 | I am having trouble upgrading to Sarge. Package netbase depends on netkit-inetd. However, netkit-inetd isnt configured yet! |
| 09:28.27 | dawt | anyone have gcc-4.0..? |
| 09:28.50 | KimHansen | dawg: its in experimental |
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| 09:28.56 | drac | KimHansen: Wrong, it's in Unstable. |
| 09:28.59 | jetscreamer | it's in sid |
| 09:29.10 | enigmus | really? good news |
| 09:29.11 | jetscreamer | came to me last night |
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| 09:33.15 | liable | hola |
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| 09:34.06 | hackeron | where are the browser identification options in firefox? |
| 09:34.07 | quitte | how long will it estimatedly take for gcc-4 to be the default compiler in sid? |
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| 09:34.37 | toto | hi everybody |
| 09:34.46 | liable | hi Dr Nick |
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| 09:35.08 | cantona | non-Us is contained in main now? |
| 09:35.14 | deadcat | cantona: /topic |
| 09:35.29 | cantona | see. thanks |
| 09:35.36 | jetscreamer | crappy upgrade solution |
| 09:35.37 | nomed^ | what's the meaning of this ||? .. mount -nt .. dir/ || mount -nt ... dir/ |
| 09:35.38 | cahoot | hackeron: IIRC user-agent-switcher is an addon |
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| 09:36.08 | hackeron | cahoot: ok, going to look for it, thanks |
| 09:36.13 | deadcat | nomed^: if command1 failed. then do command2 |
| 09:36.22 | nomed^ | thanks .. |
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| 09:36.44 | deadcat | nomed^: a && b means a success then b |
| 09:36.45 | xpurple | chroot is strange |
| 09:36.47 | ttz | hi |
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| 09:37.18 | maximien | hi all |
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| 09:37.34 | maximien | sarge is on stable now |
| 09:37.42 | maximien | Yaaahooooooooooooo |
| 09:37.43 | Phated | DUH. |
| 09:37.43 | deadcat | maximien: thanks for letting us know |
| 09:37.45 | ttz | already ? |
| 09:37.50 | ttz | ;) |
| 09:37.52 | philuk86 | lol |
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| 09:38.07 | deadcat | maximien: let me shout it out to my neighbors see if they give a fuck |
| 09:38.10 | maximien | maniecatzo |
| 09:38.13 | nomed^ | deadcat, [ -c /dev/.devfsd ] && DEVFS=yes .. like this .. but [ -c /dev/.devfsd ] <-- ? |
| 09:38.24 | jm_ | nomed^: man test |
| 09:38.34 | nomed^ | jm_, thanks .. |
| 09:38.42 | jm_ | nomeata: or man [ - that also works |
| 09:38.50 | maximien | off course deadcat, just do it |
| 09:38.51 | deadcat | nomed^: looks like a rootkit to me |
| 09:39.03 | deadcat | maximien: shut the fuck up |
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| 09:39.31 | maximien | you know it's not very polite to talk like you |
| 09:39.43 | deadcat | maximien: of course not |
| 09:39.44 | nkuttler | maximien: /topic |
| 09:39.47 | quitte | and what is ignoring the topic? |
| 09:40.18 | liable | standard behaviour? |
| 09:40.24 | rhalff | anyone using midnight commander here ? |
| 09:40.28 | maximien | thanks nkutller |
| 09:40.30 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 09:40.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:40.48 | rhalff | someone using midnight commander here ? :p |
| 09:40.54 | deadcat | just like linus doesnt use linux (= |
| 09:41.01 | liable | rhalff: just ask. |
| 09:41.12 | Guerin | !someone use |
| 09:41.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:41.27 | rhalff | ah if I do a find with the mask * it searches recursively |
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| 09:41.47 | rhalff | but now I want to search all *.php and recurse through directories |
| 09:41.52 | rhalff | *.php doesn't seem to work. |
| 09:41.58 | nomed^ | it seems like if [ -c /dev/.devfsd ];then DEVFS=yes; fi |
| 09:42.01 | rhalff | then it doesn't search recursively. |
| 09:42.06 | nomed^ | is it true? |
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| 09:42.42 | reagent | rhalff: mine does |
| 09:43.01 | rhalff | hmm yeah, mine also :p pfff ok thanks |
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| 09:43.35 | zap | hi. anyone using socks5 from http://www.socks.permeo.com/? after upgrading to new stable, the server produces a segmentation fault. i am currently debugging it. anyone having the same problem? |
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| 09:44.18 | liable | rhalff: getting some good crack eh? :) |
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| 09:44.27 | Elektronik | hi all! |
| 09:44.30 | Guerin | !find socks5 |
| 09:44.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'socks5' (3 of 4): (/usr/lib/tkabber/plugins/si/socks5.tcl) in net/tkabber ;; (/var/lib/nessus/plugins/{hydra_socks5.nasl|socks5_loop_connect.nasl}) in admin/nessus-plugins ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/net/ssh/proxy/socks5.rb, /usr/share/doc/libnet-ssh-ruby1.8/api/files/lib/net/ssh/proxy/socks5_rb.html) in interpreters/libnet-ssh-ruby1.8. |
| 09:44.42 | Elektronik | can anobody help me with Nagios setup ? |
| 09:44.56 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:45.07 | darsie | I'm running testing. If I dist-upgrade now will I suddenly shift to the former unstable or will the former testing be changed smoothly? |
| 09:45.11 | Guerin | so socks5 is not in debian? is it proprietary or something? |
| 09:45.14 | zap | Guerin: i have compiled it from the sources |
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| 09:45.22 | zap | Guerin: i referred to the website |
| 09:45.40 | Guerin | !sup |
| 09:45.40 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades work now that sarge has stabilised: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
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| 09:46.56 | reagent | zap: recompile it |
| 09:47.19 | Guerin | zap: if it's built against the wrong lib6c it'll break horribly |
| 09:47.28 | darsie | Yes, is etch the former sid, or is etch the former sarge and gradually changed to sid. Hmm, the latter sounds unlikely. |
| 09:47.32 | Guerin | zap: why not just use something in debian... like squid, for instance |
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| 09:47.51 | Guerin | darsie: no. Sid is sid. etch is a fork of sarge which is basically the same right now. |
| 09:48.05 | darsie | thx |
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| 09:48.30 | zap | reagent: i have recompiled it |
| 09:48.36 | beep | is apaches in sarge compiled with large file support? |
| 09:48.38 | Empty | I find it unlikely I will get an answer, but how do I tell systemconfigurator on the command line that I want a given int to be NOARP |
| 09:48.50 | darsie | So no reason to fear dramatic changes when dist-upgrading testing. |
| 09:48.53 | Elsidox_ | Hello. I just switched from ubuntu to debian because I hard sarge was released. Im running sarge right now and all the software is outdated. Can anyone fill me in on why this is? |
| 09:49.00 | Guerin | darsie: nope. |
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| 09:49.30 | Guerin | Elsidox_: it's not outdated for a stable release. |
| 09:49.30 | zap | reagent, Guerin: but ok, i will find out what's the problem; just wanted to ask if someones has the same problem |
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| 09:49.55 | Elsidox_ | Guerin, ubuntu had gnome 2.10 |
| 09:50.16 | Elsidox_ | Guerin, and i was running there stable release |
| 09:50.39 | Guerin | Elsidox_: so? Their stable release is WAY less tested than sarge, not to mention being 1/10th the size. |
| 09:51.02 | zap | Guerin: the only replacement in Debian is tsocks but i don't know how good it is .. would have to check that |
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| 09:51.28 | resiak | !irritate Phated |
| 09:51.29 | dpkg | Phated: wenas how does I run teh mouse lol |
| 09:51.36 | Elsidox_ | Guerin, I see. Is there a way to get updated software? |
| 09:51.40 | technos | Elsidox_: ubuntu defines "stable" as "It hasn't crashed on me on a couple days". Debian is a little more stringent. |
| 09:51.47 | reagent | zap: tell me if you find something nice in sarge, I only have experiences with debian's dante proxy |
| 09:51.48 | Elsidox_ | liable, thats not nice =( |
| 09:51.54 | bobbens | !ubuntu |
| 09:51.54 | dpkg | [ubuntu] NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
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| 09:52.03 | Guerin | Elsidox_: run 'etc' - debian testing. It's not much newer riht now, but it will get up to speed soon. |
| 09:52.15 | zap | reagent: tproxy is still from 2002 according to the sf website |
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| 09:52.24 | zap | reagent: debian's dante proxy? hm... |
| 09:52.39 | Guerin | Elsidox_: sarge actually isn't behind ubuntu warty - it's about the same overall, it's just that ubuntu's desktop stuff is newer |
| 09:52.40 | liable | Elsidox_: dude joke, run testing, it'll come, be patient, debian is debian cause it gets tested so much. |
| 09:52.49 | ^Duffy^ | hmm, wtf? whats up with sourceforge? |
| 09:52.49 | technos | Elsidox_: You can switch from Sarge to testing (Etch). That's about as well tested as Ubuntu, and has a better selection of packages. |
| 09:52.52 | Guerin | see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/04/14 for details |
| 09:53.02 | zap | reagent: thanks |
| 09:53.04 | reagent | zap: well, danted... dante-server (and -client) packages |
| 09:53.11 | zap | reagent: just found them |
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| 09:53.16 | reagent | zap: yw |
| 09:53.17 | Elsidox_ | liable, lol I know |
| 09:53.26 | zap | reagent: are they compatible to the permeo stuff? |
| 09:53.26 | Elsidox_ | so how do I switch? |
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| 09:53.39 | Elsidox_ | change everything for stable to testing in my sourcelist? |
| 09:53.41 | Guerin | !sarge->etch |
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| 09:53.48 | technos | ^Duffy^: Some dumb ass spilled my Red Bull on the load balancer. |
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| 09:53.54 | Guerin | Elsidox_: yeah, and remove the security line |
| 09:54.03 | Elsidox_ | Guerin, thanks |
| 09:54.18 | liable | Guerin: hmm, off you go, and make that factoid. :) |
| 09:54.23 | Daurnimator | when will the sarge dvd image be up? |
| 09:54.46 | zap | reagent: i will check that ... thx |
| 09:55.01 | ^Duffy^ | technos: rofl |
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| 09:55.15 | reagent | zap: sorry, I have no clue what permeo is |
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| 09:55.24 | Solet-deb | bah... guerin... your link scared me... i have chatzilla set to 'stalk' my name (which is AJ) your link had 'aj' in it and chatzilla beeped while i wasnt paying attention to this machine and it scared the crap out of me |
| 09:55.39 | ariiiiiiiel | hai |
| 09:55.56 | reagent | hi ariiiiiiiel |
| 09:55.59 | Elsidox_ | Guerin, I get errors. |
| 09:56.07 | ariiiiiiiel | pa kabar |
| 09:56.08 | Guerin | !sarge->etch is <reply> Sarge too old for you ALREADY? Change 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch' or 'testing' and remove the security.debian.org line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade. Enjoy. |
| 09:56.20 | Elsidox_ | Guerin, n/m I fixed them. =) |
| 09:56.24 | Guerin | dpkg, sarge->etch is <reply> Sarge too old for you ALREADY? Change 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch' or 'testing' and remove the security.debian.org line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade. Enjoy. |
| 09:56.24 | dpkg | ...but sarge->etch is already something else... |
| 09:56.34 | Guerin | !sarge->etch |
| 09:56.36 | zap | reagent: no problem ... that's my job anyway :) |
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| 09:56.46 | Guerin | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 09:56.46 | dpkg | no, stupid guerin |
| 09:56.46 | reagent | ok :) |
| 09:56.54 | liable | hehe |
| 09:56.54 | Guerin | dpkg, no, sarge->etch is <reply> Sarge too old for you ALREADY? Change 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch' or 'testing' and remove the security.debian.org line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade. Enjoy. |
| 09:56.54 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 09:56.58 | Guerin | !sarge->etch |
| 09:57.12 | directhex|work | there's a bug with ! and -> |
| 09:57.16 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:57.18 | directhex|work | bah |
| 09:57.20 | directhex|work | /msg the bot |
| 09:57.25 | Elsidox_ | Guerin, I reloaded my source list and tryed to upgrade but it says there nothing to upgrade |
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| 09:58.05 | Guerin | Elsidox_: nothing much has changed in etch yet. it was only forked from sarge about 36 hours ago, and the devs are still getting over their hangovers. |
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| 09:58.34 | Elsidox_ | Guerin, wow lol. |
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| 09:59.07 | Elsidox_ | Guerin, I love up to date stuff. But ubuntu pisses me off sometimes |
| 09:59.58 | Daurnimator | are there any dvd images for sarge r0a yet? |
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| 10:00.34 | tvn | if you like the most up to date stuffs, probably Debian is not for you ... stability is more important than cutting edge in Deb |
| 10:00.36 | directhex|work | Daurnimator, not quite yet. wait an hour or so |
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| 10:00.53 | Elsidox_ | tvn, that what distro is cutting edge? |
| 10:01.01 | Elsidox_ | tvn, than* |
| 10:01.11 | ircdevil | i cannot login using xdm after upgrade. it sas login incorrect |
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| 10:01.21 | directhex|work | Daurnimator, well, strictly speaking, there are jigdo files available now, but i'd wait for the torrents if i were you |
| 10:01.33 | thomas_adam | ircdevil: Wrong username/password. |
| 10:01.34 | Daurnimator | sure, is there an eta for servers around the world getting updated? |
| 10:01.41 | ircdevil | thomas_adam: no |
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| 10:02.00 | thomas_adam | ircdevil: That wasn't a question. |
| 10:02.00 | Guerin | ircdevil: check auth.log |
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| 10:02.56 | Guerin | Daurnimator: soon |
| 10:03.13 | Daurnimator | the md5 sums for the dvd are now up, yay... |
| 10:03.21 | ircdevil | Guerin: nothing is entered in auth.log when i attempt the xdm login |
| 10:03.43 | ircdevil | thomas_adam: well, i can login to console using the username and password |
| 10:04.01 | Elsidox_ | tvn, ? |
| 10:04.08 | thomas_adam | ircdevil: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common, perhaps. |
| 10:04.20 | tvn | Elsidox_: ? |
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| 10:04.28 | ircdevil | thomas_adam: hmmm - how about something with pam and xdm instead? |
| 10:04.34 | Elsidox_ | tvn, than whats cutting edge |
| 10:04.39 | thomas_adam | ircdevil: Have you dicked with any of that? |
| 10:04.40 | Guerin | Elsidox_: itym then |
| 10:04.58 | Elsidox_ | Guerin, huh |
| 10:05.51 | ircdevil | thomas_adam: well, i upgraded - and told debconf to use package maintainers version of /etc/whatever |
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| 10:06.08 | ircdevil | root cannot login using xdm either |
| 10:06.10 | thomas_adam | ircdevil: Ok, so that's a "no", then. |
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| 10:06.23 | ircdevil | thomas_adam: its a no |
| 10:06.39 | tvn | Elsidox_: linux that constantly uses the most recent released software version .... the sid/unstable branch is cutting edge |
| 10:06.58 | tvn | s/linux/distro ... |
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| 10:07.12 | thomas_adam | ircdevil: Does 'startx' (after having stopped XDM) work? |
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| 10:07.33 | ircdevil | thomas_adam: yes |
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| 10:07.52 | Guerin | ircdevil: try to purge and reinstall xdm |
| 10:07.57 | ircdevil | Guerin: will do |
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| 10:09.16 | ircdevil | Guerin: that did the trick ... i guess the init scripts needed purging and reinstallation |
| 10:09.19 | ircdevil | thanx |
| 10:09.21 | ircdevil | brb |
| 10:09.22 | snail | where would i go to read how to install eclipse on sarge? i think maybe i need unofficial debs? |
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| 10:09.55 | [Granger] | unofficial debs? |
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| 10:10.01 | [Granger] | just download the binaries |
| 10:10.04 | Beccara | is anyone aware of a issue with Yukon Lan Driver inside debian kernel that will cause it to stop responding after a few min |
| 10:10.12 | Guerin | eejitclipse |
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| 10:10.37 | ethics | beccara : marvell-yukon? |
| 10:10.39 | [Granger] | problem solved |
| 10:10.41 | Beccara | yeah |
| 10:11.06 | ethics | beccara: lin98sk driver? |
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| 10:11.25 | Beccara | dont know |
| 10:11.32 | Beccara | its just a default install |
| 10:11.37 | Empty | how do i set noarp in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:11.41 | ethics | lsmod and look for a name.... |
| 10:11.47 | Guerin | Empty: man interfaces |
| 10:11.49 | Beccara | i cant get any source onto it |
| 10:11.50 | Beccara | ok |
| 10:11.52 | Beccara | brb |
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| 10:13.22 | snail | [Granger]: thanks |
| 10:13.26 | Daurnimator | dvd is up :) |
| 10:13.32 | Daurnimator | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 10:13.37 | distilled | hi |
| 10:13.51 | ethics | wow............ |
| 10:13.52 | distilled | does anyone know how i can assign a block of ip's to an eth interface? |
| 10:14.01 | distilled | or do i have to specify them manullay as in eth0:1 etc |
| 10:14.25 | Guerin | Daurnimator: pwn! |
| 10:14.48 | directhex|work | that's only dvd1 |
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| 10:15.15 | Daurnimator | ok.. how many are there - anyway, people can start downloading it |
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| 10:15.23 | directhex|work | 2 dvds |
| 10:15.33 | ethics | 30x700/4.5 = 4 dvds? |
| 10:15.49 | ethics | or wont the make src dvds.... |
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| 10:16.26 | Zeenix | hello |
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| 10:16.35 | ethics | umm hi.. |
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| 10:16.36 | sobersabre | guys... sorry i went away for a while. |
| 10:16.39 | directhex|work | oh, source. you can jigdo a dvd |
| 10:16.39 | Daurnimator | after all, its a big download |
| 10:16.49 | Guerin | sobersabre: we don't care. Go back if you want. |
| 10:17.06 | sobersabre | Guerin, :). did anybody answer me about automation of yppasswd ( problem with scripting ) |
| 10:17.12 | sobersabre | ? |
| 10:17.13 | Guerin | sobersabre: nope. |
| 10:17.34 | sep | distilled: manualy one and one |
| 10:17.34 | sobersabre | is there a problem doing something like this: yppasswd <<- EOF |
| 10:17.40 | directhex|work | is there a channel better educated on using NIS you could ask? |
| 10:17.43 | sobersabre | and then to add passwords ? |
| 10:17.47 | sobersabre | twice .. |
| 10:17.47 | sobersabre | ? |
| 10:17.52 | sobersabre | etc. |
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| 10:18.00 | ethics | !enter |
| 10:18.01 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help. |
| 10:18.15 | distilled | stink |
| 10:18.16 | distilled | :( |
| 10:18.38 | Empty | is dummy0 automagically noarp? |
| 10:18.57 | ethics | i like that scropt hehe |
| 10:19.01 | Guerin | distilled: use echo in a loop |
| 10:19.14 | Zeenix | can anyone point me to some nice docs on dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 10:19.22 | Solet-deb | how do i make/display usergroups |
| 10:19.24 | Empty | Guerin, I cannot seem to find how to do it, but if I just do a naked ifconfig dummy0 up it comes up noarp |
| 10:19.24 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 10:19.25 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 10:19.28 | jm_ | sobersabre: you need to use something like expect for it |
| 10:19.29 | thomas_adam | In addition to !enter, FUCKING nick changes are just as annoying. |
| 10:20.05 | ethics | anyone got a suggestion on a game for me to play....i like civilisation etc....played freeciv to death |
| 10:20.18 | Guerin | arasta: /nick fukcingidoit |
| 10:20.19 | thomas_adam | ethics: moon-buggy. |
| 10:20.25 | Empty | ethics, starcraft runs well under wine ;) |
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| 10:20.44 | yam | I have 3 servers with no hard disk that I want to boot/root through network/PXE... how should I build the kernels? |
| 10:20.52 | ethics | thomas_adam, hehe i have that down pat. |
| 10:20.54 | Guerin | yam: very carefully |
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| 10:20.58 | directhex|work | ethics, wolfenstein enemy territory! |
| 10:20.59 | yam | need to put an initial disk on one of those servers? |
| 10:21.10 | ethics | empty...hmm ok i can play with wine too then 8) |
| 10:21.11 | thomas_adam | ethics: "down pat"? |
| 10:21.43 | ethics | thomas_adam, : down pat as in played to death also hehe |
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| 10:21.52 | Solet-deb | guerin: how do i make/display usergroups |
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| 10:22.04 | thomas_adam | Solet-deb: man groups |
| 10:22.17 | thomas_adam | Solet-deb: man groupadd |
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| 10:22.44 | directhex|work | ethics, apt-get install quake2 |
| 10:23.36 | ethics | directhex|work, hehe fpshooters get annoying to me...i liked dues ex because of story lines splitting etc... |
| 10:23.37 | Solet-deb | thomas_adam man groups is basically empty... |
| 10:23.56 | Solet-deb | i need to see all groups... not just the groups a perticular user is in |
| 10:24.02 | directhex|work | ethics, www.darwinia.co.uk |
| 10:24.14 | jm_ | getent group |
| 10:24.16 | thomas_adam | Solet-deb: getent group |
| 10:24.23 | Guerin | Solet-deb: rtfm n00b |
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| 10:24.44 | Solet-deb | guerin: man groups, you'll see... it tells nothing |
| 10:24.53 | ethics | directhex|work, ohh that looks intresting 8) |
| 10:25.04 | Solet-deb | it shows syntax but doesnt even list possable option to use |
| 10:25.05 | directhex|work | ethics, also, www.uplink.co.uk |
| 10:25.06 | thomas_adam | Solet-deb: It tells you a lot about 'groups' -- but as you never stipulated what you were actually after... |
| 10:25.19 | ethics | directhex|work, cheers they will suit me i think |
| 10:25.43 | directhex|work | ethics, now to part with some of your hard earned cash, assuming the demos take your fancy |
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| 10:25.52 | Guerin | Solet-deb: The full documentation for groups is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and groups programs are properly installed at your site, the command info coreutils groups should give you access to the complete manual. |
| 10:26.09 | Guerin | Solet-deb: are you really going to tell me you didn't fucking read that? |
| 10:26.17 | ethics | directhex|work, i buy good games 8) i support decent ideas....rehashing stuff sucks... |
| 10:26.57 | Guerin | uplink looks pretty 1337 |
| 10:27.05 | Solet-deb | i saw something about info coreutils.... but if..... |
| 10:27.19 | Guerin | pity they don't have a version which will run tolerably on a non-GL card |
| 10:27.35 | Guerin | Solet-deb: but you didn't fucking TRY IT, did you? |
| 10:27.36 | directhex|work | Guerin, get the source cd, and make your own gtk2 client :) |
| 10:27.37 | jm_ | we should treat questions from such people in the same way - I saw something about blabla... but if..... |
| 10:27.42 | Guerin | directhex|work: haha |
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| 10:28.13 | Guerin | jm_: yeah, i think a segfault is something to do with memory... |
| 10:28.19 | Solet-deb | guerin: whats the point of having a man page if there's nothing in it? werent man pages designed so that users wouldnt have to jump through hoops to get to the MANual??? |
| 10:28.28 | directhex|work | Guerin, what? i mean, i'm not sure the source license allows it, but still :) |
| 10:28.46 | Guerin | Solet-deb: some things (mostly gnu) use texinfo instead. Deal. |
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| 10:29.49 | Daurnimator | dvd 2 is up - is that it Guerin? |
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| 10:30.04 | Solet-deb | guerin: i did deal, i saw a worthless man page and asked about it... and was given an answer, which i might add, was a different command than the one i was told to man to begin with |
| 10:30.07 | Guerin | Daurnimator: there should only be 2 binary, yeah |
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| 10:30.24 | Guerin | Solet-deb: the command I gave you was IN THE GODDAMN MANPAGE |
| 10:30.27 | war00 | http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 10:30.29 | Solet-deb | and before you say it, yes i'm sure that command was prolly in the texinfo |
| 10:30.37 | Daurnimator | then sarge is ready... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/... right? |
| 10:30.44 | war00 | http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. <- How to fix this? |
| 10:30.48 | Solet-deb | getent is in the man page? |
| 10:30.53 | thomas_adam | war00: You wait. |
| 10:31.00 | Guerin | no |
| 10:31.03 | Guerin | !testing security |
| 10:31.04 | dpkg | Testing DOES NOT have security updates. ask me about testing security issues |
| 10:31.07 | directhex|work | Daurnimator, yes. but use the torrents. |
| 10:31.11 | Solet-deb | well that was the answer i was referring to |
| 10:31.16 | jm_ | offtopic, how common are waste toner tanks in laser printers? I haven't seen one in several HP models, but our Samsung printer has it |
| 10:31.18 | war00 | So I should remove that apt source from my list then? |
| 10:31.20 | lixuefeng | hi, why i can't install firefox extensions? I have logged in as root user. |
| 10:31.26 | Guerin | dpkg, no, testing security is <reply> see testing security issues |
| 10:31.27 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 10:31.31 | Guerin | !testing security issues |
| 10:31.31 | dpkg | it has been said that testing security issues is http://newraff.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 10:31.34 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:32.01 | Guerin | war00: yes |
| 10:32.09 | tarzeau | whoa http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
| 10:32.54 | ethics | LOL i was just looking at linuxgames.com and they have a little on sarge release details as in major packages......i like the xfree86 lin.....editors notes..."wheres Xorg....click the link which is the editors notes and it takes you to x.org LOL...love the dry charm |
| 10:33.00 | Guerin | tarzeau: fuck! |
| 10:33.01 | war00 | Guerin ok thx |
| 10:33.06 | lixuefeng | It have not any effect when i click the install button on install extension dialog. |
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| 10:34.04 | jm_ | lixuefeng: make sure you have enabled fostware installations and then disable it immediately after you're done |
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| 10:34.32 | jm_ | software even |
| 10:35.20 | yam | guerin: but.. is there any packages to make a kernel, apply patches and so on |
| 10:35.35 | yam | my config is a little bit customized... need iscsi patch :) |
| 10:35.37 | ethics | guerin: lol jswat is going in after 917 days |
| 10:36.06 | ethics | yay new kernel 8) |
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| 10:36.19 | Guerin | yam: yeah. You'll want build-essential, libncurses5-dev, bzip2 and kernel-package for a start |
| 10:36.39 | jm_ | yam: that is covered by installation manual and the FAQ |
| 10:36.50 | yam | and that can be done on the kernel/root tftp server box? |
| 10:36.53 | egg|new | ethics: what? |
| 10:36.59 | Guerin | yam: sure. |
| 10:37.10 | yam | jm_: been reading those... but since its a very customized kernel, wanted to ask |
| 10:37.12 | Guerin | !kp |
| 10:37.12 | dpkg | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 10:37.16 | Guerin | !kp mantra |
| 10:37.17 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 10:37.22 | Guerin | yam: there you go. |
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| 10:37.30 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 10:37.41 | egg|new | ... |
| 10:37.55 | ethics | tarzeau, is that the right list?...mplayerplugins..... |
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| 10:38.31 | Aronofsky | little question, aptitude should maintain a list of sources for packages installed ( testing , unstable ) to be able to update them from the right repository , right ? |
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| 10:39.27 | Craigo | okay, I cannot seem to understand why gnome will not be installed? |
| 10:39.46 | jm_ | CrazyEddy: we don't know - can't you? |
| 10:39.48 | directhex|work | Craigo, sid? |
| 10:39.51 | jm_ | Craigo ^^^^^^ |
| 10:39.57 | ethics | tarzeau: somethings not wuite right about some of them heheh 1307 days.... |
| 10:40.04 | tb__ | any one has experience with strongswan 2.4.2 and ike config mode? |
| 10:40.11 | Craigo | yeah unstable (obviously it is unstable but it's well weird) |
| 10:40.18 | KimHansen | Where can I find the reason for ext2resize only being in oldstable and unstable ? |
| 10:40.19 | Craigo | sid = unstable right? |
| 10:40.34 | directhex|work | did you check for bugs? |
| 10:40.38 | jm_ | KimHansen: /msg dpkg why is ext2resize not in testing |
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| 10:40.45 | Craigo | yeo |
| 10:40.47 | Craigo | yep even |
| 10:40.49 | lixuefeng | jm_: what is fostware? |
| 10:41.08 | directhex|work | so you know about bug 312406? |
| 10:41.12 | jm_ | lixuefeng: I have corrected myself one line below - a nice typo of software |
| 10:41.22 | Craigo | uh.. just keyword in the right one |
| 10:41.25 | Craigo | just saw that now |
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| 10:41.31 | Craigo | blum |
| 10:41.33 | Craigo | thanks |
| 10:42.07 | Solet-deb | ok i cant get dpkg-statoverride to let user 'solet' use lufsmount... the command i'm using is dpkg-statoverride --force --update --add solet lufs 4755 /usr/bin/lufsmount what is wrong in that line because it is not working i keep getting the same error as i did before |
| 10:42.26 | Craigo | ta |
| 10:42.26 | Aronofsky | anyone can confirm what i say abour aptitude ? |
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| 10:42.44 | directhex|work | !wayttd Aronofsky |
| 10:42.45 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Aronofsky? |
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| 10:43.58 | ethics | Aronofsky, swec |
| 10:44.38 | ethics | Aronofsky, correct...it downloads a current packages file and that is used to find the files via the mirrors |
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| 10:45.16 | Aronofsky | directhex|work, to know which one of my packages have benn installed from unstable and which one from testing |
| 10:45.25 | zaka | hello, can i register a new channel on this server? |
| 10:45.27 | ethics | Aronofsky, once its down it then passes it to dpkg to install......apt-get is aptitude also but it only grabs minimums...aptitude grabs recommended packages also which may or may not be of use |
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| 10:46.07 | Aronofsky | ethics, so how can I know which packages have benn installed from unstable ? |
| 10:46.22 | Solet-deb | zaka: if you have to ask prolly not |
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| 10:46.56 | zaka | okis |
| 10:46.57 | ethics | Aronofsky, easiest way is using packages.debian.org i think....only your current distro list is downloaded...cant have more than 1 i think as it confuses the pakage numbers |
| 10:47.02 | zaka | where can i aske? |
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| 10:47.42 | directhex|work | Aronofsky, i don't think aptitude stores the info per se, but it might be in an apt database file of some kind |
| 10:47.45 | Solet-deb | zaka: try asking chanserv... rumor has it he's the local guru on channel registration |
| 10:47.59 | zaka | :) thanx a lot |
| 10:48.02 | rjh_ | Have a q re: sound and etch. Just installed etch and can't get sound to work in GNOME. alsaconf finds the right hware, speaker-test is good, but GNOME can't do anything. |
| 10:48.02 | rjh_ | (Yes, already checked google and the docs.) |
| 10:48.04 | rjh_ | Am I missing something obvious? |
| 10:48.22 | Aronofsky | directhex|work, i guess so but which one ... |
| 10:48.28 | ethics | Aronofsky, although i think if you get the sarge list and do a dist-upgrade it will narrow down the list by showing what has to be removedowngraded....DONOT ACTUALLY DO TH DOWNGRADE...swap back the source.list and re update... |
| 10:49.20 | Aronofsky | ethics, actually i did p?nning and i want to know which one of my packages have benn installed from unstable and which one from testing |
| 10:49.28 | ethics | aronofski....if its being removed in effect its saying im not meant to be here or a dependency isnt... |
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| 10:49.36 | Aronofsky | ethics, there must be a file where i can get that info |
| 10:49.40 | Guerin | rjh_: what DOES work? |
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| 10:50.23 | [Granger] | how do you install an rpm in debian? |
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| 10:50.35 | Guerin | [Granger]: if you've any brains, you don't |
| 10:50.36 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! |
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| 10:50.40 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:50.45 | ethics | Aronofsky, everything is in /var/cache/apt/archives...the packages file is somewhat grep able btu its only your current versions... |
| 10:50.52 | [Granger] | Guerin: ya I'm trying to conver them |
| 10:50.55 | [Granger] | convert* |
| 10:51.01 | [Granger] | damn OpenOffice and their rpms |
| 10:51.02 | Gathond | [Granger]: and if you really want try alien to convert it to .deb .. but ymmv |
| 10:51.03 | ethics | Aronofsky, out of curiosity whats your goal you need to do this for? |
| 10:51.06 | liable | rjh_: ximms works? or just gnome sounds dont or what? Checked the output drivers? |
| 10:51.15 | Solet-deb | [Granger]: sarge has openoffice |
| 10:51.21 | [Granger] | Solet-deb: not 2.0 |
| 10:51.21 | Solet-deb | in a deb |
| 10:51.28 | liable | [Granger]: eh? why not use the deb? |
| 10:51.30 | Zero_Kelvin | Hi guys, I asked this in the kernel channel but they seem pretty quiet so I'll paste it here (not a flood): Got a query about booting with an initrd. If my initrd is 10MB in size (don't ask, I don't know why), then should I change my initial ram disk size (in the kernel config) from 8192KB to 16384KB, and specify in my lilo.conf "ramdisk=16483" ? |
| 10:51.31 | ethics | Aronofsky, you could compare whats in the cache if you dont purge much to the list also |
| 10:51.33 | Solet-deb | umm... boo hoo.... |
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| 10:52.10 | Solet-deb | [Granger]: alien is supposed to import redhat crap... but i've heard its a worthless piece of crap (hey just like redhat) |
| 10:52.15 | xtension | !silence |
| 10:52.22 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: most likely yes, read ramdisk.txt |
| 10:52.42 | [Granger] | Solet-deb: well it's either alien |
| 10:52.43 | initech | [Granger]: i wouldn't bother with rpms of something that big, it's going to be a mess |
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| 10:52.47 | [Granger] | or compile from scratch |
| 10:53.07 | Solet-deb | guerin: i cant get dpkg-statoverride to let user 'solet' use lufsmount... the command i'm using is dpkg-statoverride --force --update --add solet lufs 4755 /usr/bin/lufsmount what is wrong in that line because it is not working i keep getting the same error as i did before |
| 10:53.44 | ethics | [Granger], any reason to run 2 over 1.x of note? |
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| 10:54.00 | ethics | [Granger], i havent read any notes on the diffs |
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| 10:54.23 | directhex|work | !alien |
| 10:54.24 | dpkg | i heard alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 10:54.30 | directhex|work | hmph |
| 10:54.48 | directhex|work | when using alien, convert to tgz and extract into /opt/sadnboxforfoopackage |
| 10:54.52 | Solet-deb | hasent open office 2.0 been out for a while? if so... there's prolly a good reason it was left out of sarge |
| 10:55.04 | directhex|work | openoffice 2.0 is beta |
| 10:55.06 | directhex|work | or alpha |
| 10:55.14 | directhex|work | or certainly not release quality |
| 10:55.20 | ethics | its also a java problem... |
| 10:55.23 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: Okay, I get that but I don't quite understand one other thing: In the kernel settings it has number of ram disks and size of initial ram disk. So, if I specify a 32MB ram disk, does that mean there'll be 16 32MB ram disks taking up 512MB? Or is it just a 32MB ram disk made of 16 parts? |
| 10:55.29 | [Granger] | ethics: I'm about to RTFM on OpenOffice |
| 10:55.32 | ethics | beta |
| 10:55.38 | [Granger] | so I might as well RTFM on the latest version |
| 10:55.41 | [Granger] | don't you think? |
| 10:55.49 | plovs | i am installing using floppies, i need a driver that is not there (ips.ko), how can i get that driver, so i can put it on a floppy? |
| 10:55.52 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: it means there can be up to 16 RAM disks, each 32M in size |
| 10:56.04 | [Granger] | ooo.org details that there are a lot of changes between 1.1.4 and 2.0 |
| 10:56.09 | [Granger] | among those a general format change |
| 10:56.10 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: Better not set that then. :) |
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| 10:56.19 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: noticed the word can? |
| 10:56.20 | ethics | [Granger], cool, im just curious if there was anything major |
| 10:56.27 | plovs | installing an ibm pc server 300 btw |
| 10:56.33 | [Granger] | ethics: format change would classify as major in my book |
| 10:56.35 | [Granger] | don't you think? |
| 10:56.43 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: Okay, so does the lilo.conf setting "ramdisk=16184" create a 16MB ram disk for initrd? |
| 10:56.47 | ethics | bah i hate dialup at release change time... |
| 10:56.53 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: the space is allocated for it on a per-needed basis, so you'll end up with one ramdisk eating 32M, and you may want to lower that number if you don't need that much space |
| 10:56.57 | sobersabre | i want to redirect input in a script via "<< EOF" clause. it doesn't work. what are the caveats ? |
| 10:57.03 | [Granger] | Solet-deb: sudo |
| 10:57.05 | Gathond | Solet-deb: look into sudo or super |
| 10:57.07 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: that's a wrong parameter, read ramdisk.txt again |
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| 10:57.27 | ethics | [Granger], hmm ill have to wonder ovewr and have a read while im etching |
| 10:57.48 | jm_ | sobersabre: I told you - use expect for passwd/yppasswd/... |
| 10:57.56 | ethics | hmm wonder if theres new nvidia stuff ... |
| 10:58.14 | [Granger] | ethics: there's no nvidia stuff for 2.6 |
| 10:58.21 | [Granger] | I'm still using the stuff from nvidia.com |
| 10:58.28 | sobersabre | ah! i missed that on the channel flood! |
| 10:58.30 | sobersabre | sorry |
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| 10:58.46 | [Granger] | nvidia stuff is for 2.4 |
| 10:58.52 | [Granger] | for 2.6 you're on your own |
| 10:58.55 | ethics | [Granger], lies |
| 10:59.03 | Solet-deb | god damnit... man pages piss me off. `man users' was basicly blank, and now `man sudo' is so fucking verbose i cant understand any of it |
| 10:59.04 | ethics | !nvidia howto |
| 10:59.04 | dpkg | well, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. |
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| 10:59.29 | ethics | im looking for a newer driver to go with the etch.. |
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| 10:59.42 | probs4u | hi |
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| 10:59.51 | plovs | Solet-deb: read the example-config in doc for sudo |
| 10:59.52 | sobersabre | jm_, did you write something back ? ( killed my tunnel to the chan with ^D :) ) |
| 10:59.58 | paulswm | Solet-deb: Then google on sudo, you'll prolly find some examples or tutes |
| 11:00.09 | jm_ | sobersabre: nope |
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| 11:00.30 | probs4u | i ve problems with XPP (the printer thing).. it gives me the error: cannot load object bla bla libGL.so.1 .. is there a way to install xpp without this lib? |
| 11:00.34 | directhex|work | [Granger], bullshit |
| 11:00.37 | ethics | hmm new toolkit...wonder what thats for |
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| 11:01.41 | Coke | ethics: don't listen to [Granger], nvidia's drivers work fine for 2.6 |
| 11:01.50 | ethics | looks like stage 1 of etch is aptable |
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| 11:02.05 | egg|new | probs4u: in xorg.conf |
| 11:02.22 | directhex|work | ethics, rdonald is pretty slow to update the debian nvidia packages. |
| 11:02.43 | ralf | egg|new: xorg.conf? |
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| 11:02.49 | ethics | directhex|work, yeah i know i just saw a list of 900 packages and only 1 nvidi toolkit hehe |
| 11:02.56 | egg|new | in /etc/X11 |
| 11:03.04 | ralf | egg|new: in debian? |
| 11:03.07 | zimnyx | non-us for Sid is unavailable, why? |
| 11:03.09 | egg|new | no |
| 11:03.15 | ralf | ah |
| 11:03.21 | drac | zimnyx: There is no more non-us.. it's in main. |
| 11:03.22 | jm_ | zimnyx: read release notes for Sarge |
| 11:03.31 | ethics | ill check if the new kernel has fixed the ich issues |
| 11:03.37 | zimnyx | drac: nice. |
| 11:04.06 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: Hmmm, man lilo.conf just mentions the ramdisk= parameter. So, according to ramdisk.txt I should use ramdisk_size, I think. So if I put ramdisk_size=16184 then I should be able to boot okay with my 10MB initrd? |
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| 11:04.21 | probs4u | egg|new: i dont have an X drive server.. which hasnt such config files.. i just want to use XPP.. |
| 11:04.25 | directhex|work | ethics, which issues specifically? |
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| 11:04.32 | ethics | oh my...is it true...normalize-audio...yay!! |
| 11:04.54 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: it's ramdisk_size these days, ramdisk= is a lilo thing |
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| 11:05.03 | egg|new | ... |
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| 11:05.18 | ethics | directhex|work, oh just the sound support mainly ...and if hdparm can handle sata yet |
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| 11:06.01 | directhex|work | is that neccessary? |
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| 11:06.08 | directhex|work | sata is "teh win", as all the cool kids say |
| 11:06.09 | probs4u | xpp has too many dependiences in sarge.. i go 4 oldstable.. |
| 11:06.18 | ethics | shame this wasnt public same time as sarge released heheh....many would have gone to etch hehe |
| 11:06.34 | ethics | the ones just seeing a new release etc.. |
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| 11:06.46 | directhex|work | !sarge hardware support |
| 11:06.47 | iLLf8d | lo all is the debian installer done? there doesn't seem to be a #debian-installer channel anymore |
| 11:06.47 | dpkg | [sarge hardware support] reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
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| 11:07.02 | iLLf8d | I saw rc3 but not sure of its current status |
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| 11:07.11 | jm_ | iLLf8d: you mean #debian-boot? |
| 11:07.12 | directhex|work | iLL_L0gic, debian 3.1 was released 2 days ago |
| 11:07.12 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: Yeah but that's what I'm asking - If I just put ramdisk=16184 into lilo.conf, is that enough to boot with my initrd, or should I specify a 16MB ram disk in my kernel config too? I'm guessing that if I don't specify a ramdisk size at all then whatever size I pick in the kernel config will be used, but I don't want to have 256 or 512 megs just used as ram disks. |
| 11:07.21 | iLLf8d | jm_: ah was I in the wrong channel hrm |
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| 11:07.34 | ethics | sarge release 36 hours or so ago so yeah all done...dvds and netinst etc on deb site |
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| 11:07.57 | iLLf8d | jm_: yeah thats it thanks |
| 11:08.14 | kjparker | is it safe to assume that the cd images on the ftp for testing are still sarge, given they are dated 30 may? |
| 11:08.29 | directhex|work | kjparker, that's a reasonable assumption |
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| 11:08.53 | ethics | directhex|work, umm yeah sata is way down on what it should be on my system....and smart wont run accross sata either for soem reason...i think thats the board tho not software |
| 11:08.56 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: try omiting it, RAM disks support dynamic growth so it might work |
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| 11:09.37 | ethics | Kjetil, probably but they will die in a little etch is in apt now so it should start to be imaged atm |
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| 11:10.02 | ethics | Kjetil, you want to go to the stable ones for sarge finals |
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| 11:10.17 | Solet-deb_ | hrm... sudo isnt what i'm looking for... it says "lufsmnt needs to be installed suid root in order to be used by unprivlidged users" |
| 11:10.19 | Solet-deb_ | i need to make 'solet' a privlidged user, not run the thing as a different user... |
| 11:10.30 | Kjetil | huh ? |
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| 11:10.54 | kjparker | so if i wanted to install a new system with etch now, is that possible yet? |
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| 11:10.58 | mosty | Solet-deb: sudo should work |
| 11:11.13 | mosty | Kjparker: well there is no etch yet... |
| 11:11.16 | ethics | \etch hit the ftp sites...6 minutes ago.... |
| 11:11.31 | ethics | im updating 287 packages atm |
| 11:11.46 | ethics | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
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| 11:12.08 | kjparker | i thought that once sarge got released etch followed |
| 11:12.14 | ethics | admittedly 1 of them is 1307 days before entering testing but hey its updates |
| 11:12.17 | kevinv | security.debian.org seems to be down. |
| 11:12.36 | ethics | yeah sarge is released etch is the testing as of 6 minutes ago. |
| 11:12.36 | Solet-deb_ | mosty: the man page confuses me, its so damn long i forget half the crap by the end of it... might i ask you for a little spoonfeeding to get me started? |
| 11:12.50 | ethics | !tell kevin about disec |
| 11:12.58 | ethics | !tell kevinv about disec |
| 11:13.24 | mosty | Solet-deb: i don't remember it myself. whenever i need to set it up, i google for a tutorial, it's pretty simple with an example to look through first |
| 11:13.39 | kevinv | oh, okay. |
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| 11:13.44 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: Okay. Just one more question. Running lilo gives me this: Warning: The initial RAM disk is too big to fit between the kernel and |
| 11:13.44 | Zero_Kelvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.45 | Zero_Kelvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.46 | Zero_Kelvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.46 | kevinv | thanks for cleaning that up. |
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| 11:13.50 | Zero_Kelvin | Damn! |
| 11:13.55 | kjparker | hmm, i think i asked this already, but why would i be getting a "404 error" on security when i apt-get update on sarge? |
| 11:13.59 | ethics | hmm interestingly non of the nvidia premade kernels went into etch heheheh |
| 11:13.59 | Zero_Kelvin | Sorry. I thought that was a single line. |
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| 11:14.11 | ethics | must be a different server |
| 11:14.25 | ethics | !disec |
| 11:14.26 | dpkg | [disec] sarge installer will leave testing in your security lines on sources.list, try apt-setup or editing /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to sarge unless you plan on running etch.if you want to run etch just delete the security line and use testing or etch |
| 11:14.32 | kevinv | GNOME upgraded to a complete fail also, I just completed a new sarge network install in hopes to fix the problems. |
| 11:15.04 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: it will probably work fine |
| 11:15.10 | ethics | kevinv, from woody? |
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| 11:15.29 | kevinv | nope, the network install CD for sarge. |
| 11:15.36 | kevinv | I just recently downloaded the ISO |
| 11:15.42 | kjparker | ethics, what ftp are you using? |
| 11:15.43 | ethics | kevinv, nah i mean the upgrade to gnome |
| 11:15.49 | kevinv | nope |
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| 11:16.05 | ethics | kjparker, mirror.arrnet.edu.....brisbane australia |
| 11:16.08 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: I thought that before and I got a big error on boot about too large a file and a cut off boot system. |
| 11:16.09 | kevinv | I was running sarge, then did an upgrade, and gnome died. |
| 11:16.12 | luulis | sarge installer leaves testing to sources.list? is that a bug or a feature? |
| 11:16.19 | ethics | i think the closest to the testing release area |
| 11:16.29 | kevinv | it removed the gnome-core, and other gnome stuff that is needed. |
| 11:16.43 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: Do you know what specifically causes that error? |
| 11:17.08 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: so you have tried this without options and it doesn't work? |
| 11:17.22 | ethics | Lucas, well it was in the release notes but hey its sorta like the manual.....the a release of the installer changed it to sagre i think but that was only because people wouldnt read heheh we requested it |
| 11:17.24 | liable | kevinv: well, why did you say yes, when it was gonna do that? |
| 11:17.29 | kevinv | I simply did an 'apt-get update' then an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 11:17.44 | cbr | omg.. unstable is flooded with change.. yay! |
| 11:17.50 | liable | and said yes, remove these things I need |
| 11:17.51 | kevinv | I thought they might've been dummy packages. |
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| 11:18.19 | kevinv | There are lots of dummy packages, and sometimes I just have no clue. |
| 11:18.45 | ethics | kevinv, normally you should be able to apt-get install gnome after it remove em to rejig the dependancies....but it must have spat at some non deb lib somewhere and gone upstream as unmet |
| 11:18.46 | kjparker | well, i just did the apt-get update and then upgrade and it gave me no pakages... |
| 11:18.58 | kevinv | When I tried to reinstall the gnome-panel, it was asking me to remove almost all my GTK apps. I said 'no' there of course. |
| 11:19.00 | kjparker | you sure it's etch it's giving you? |
| 11:19.31 | ethics | kevinv, it probably shouldnt have happened |
| 11:19.41 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: I tried it before with ramdisk=8192 in append. I changed ramdisk to ramdisk=16384 and lilo still gave me that error. I just want to know what I'm supposed to do when I've got a big initrd file, or at least what caused the damn thing to big so big when my last one was barely 1.5MB. |
| 11:19.54 | ttick | Don't suppose anyone knows of a usb flashdrive (pendrive) that has AES encryption that is accessible via Linux? |
| 11:19.57 | kevinv | But after I re-installed sarge, everything was fine, but the security updates, but now that's going to be fixed. |
| 11:20.00 | ethics | kevinv, hehe yeah thats a bit of a bitch... |
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| 11:20.15 | kevinv | Just glad I have many partitions just incase of something like this. |
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| 11:20.28 | wigwam | Zero_Kelvin: I don't need to give the ramdisk-size for initrd. I just tell my kernel initrd=/boot/initrd.img |
| 11:20.30 | cbr | will gcc 3.4 be testing default anytime soon? |
| 11:20.33 | smb33 | hi |
| 11:20.36 | ethics | ttick...i beleive so but it was a bit weird.....havent seen any howtos |
| 11:20.36 | kevinv | Indeed waiting for sarge to download. |
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| 11:20.57 | ethics | cbr...will skip to 4 i think... |
| 11:21.00 | kevinv | Well anyways, thanks for your help ethics. |
| 11:21.05 | cbr | ah |
| 11:21.09 | kevinv | Bye, thank you again. |
| 11:21.09 | ttick | Ether_Man_: okay, thanks. Just wondering. :/ |
| 11:21.11 | ethics | kevinv: np |
| 11:21.12 | zyg | i don't know what 's Postgres's initial username and password,could somebody tell me,thanks |
| 11:21.20 | ugv | looks like when i did apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade and then apt-get update, it said blah packages kept back, it that normal? |
| 11:21.23 | ttick | ethics: okay, thanks. Just wondering. :/ |
| 11:21.29 | Ugly_Duck | question: i want to run hotkeys on startup for me as a user, i think its gotta start when xwindows is up and running, what file do i edit for it to startup? |
| 11:21.34 | mosty | zyg: su to user postgres from root, and you don't need a password |
| 11:21.39 | Solet-deb_ | in /etc/sudoers do i have to add a line for each command i give a user? or can i just `solet ALL=(root) NO-PASSWD: command1 command2 command3' etc? |
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| 11:21.50 | zyg | ok,let me try |
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| 11:21.53 | ethics | ugv unstable/Sid? |
| 11:21.58 | Zero_Kelvin | wigwam: jm_: ramdisk size spec in lilo.conf gone to test. I'll give it a try and see what happens but I'd really like to know how initrd got so big in the first place. |
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| 11:22.03 | Zero_Kelvin | BRB |
| 11:22.08 | mosty | solet-deb: odds are it's safer to do it for each command |
| 11:22.17 | Solet-deb_ | ok |
| 11:22.39 | ugv | ethics, nope. stable |
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| 11:22.54 | smb33 | always when i do: mount -t smbfs ... i get the error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //mustang/home, |
| 11:22.55 | smb33 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.55 | smb33 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.14 | smb33 | how can i solve that problem? |
| 11:23.24 | paster | "ugv" at 202.156.2.154 pasted "source list" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/193 |
| 11:23.27 | cbr | gcc 3.3 is default now though, huh? |
| 11:23.34 | ethics | ugv: do you plan on running woody sarge or etch? |
| 11:23.42 | ugv | http://channels.debian.net/paste/193 this is my sourcelist |
| 11:23.51 | mosty | smb33: do you have smbfs installed? |
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| 11:24.07 | ugv | ethics, sarge (stable) |
| 11:24.23 | smb33 | mosty: i have samba-common installed and i ve done modprobe smbfs and it says nothing.. im not sure if the module exists.. |
| 11:24.26 | Delicates | how do you kill a stopped process? |
| 11:24.39 | mosty | smb33: apt-get install smbfs |
| 11:24.40 | tarzeau | Delicates: kill %1 |
| 11:24.48 | tarzeau | Delicates: or whatever job number, see jobs |
| 11:24.55 | ethics | ugv.. delete the non-us line...non-us is now in main...and try then |
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| 11:25.40 | Solet-deb_ | i cant even do it with sudo... |
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| 11:25.46 | Delicates | tarzeau: no jobs |
| 11:25.49 | paster | "ugv" at 202.156.2.154 pasted "source list" (7 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/194 |
| 11:25.55 | Delicates | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.57 | ugv | ethics, ok. does it looks OK now? |
| 11:25.59 | tarzeau | Delicates: so it was started in another shell? |
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| 11:26.05 | AciD|Wrk | oi |
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| 11:26.12 | tarzeau | Delicates: pkill -9 wineserver ? |
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| 11:26.34 | Delicates | tarzeau: thanks, that worked |
| 11:27.00 | sobersabre | jm_, how do i get argv values with expect ? ( i want to get e.g... argv[1] ) |
| 11:27.01 | sobersabre | ? |
| 11:27.09 | ethics | ugv : still has non-us lines... |
| 11:27.11 | Pappa | any GUI for task management? (like ps, top, killall, renice?) |
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| 11:27.54 | ugv | ethics, so you mean i only need deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main and deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main? |
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| 11:28.11 | ethics | pappa management or display? top is like processes in windows... |
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| 11:28.24 | ugv | can someone let me have a look at their sourcelist for stable (sarge)? |
| 11:28.37 | Pappa | ethics: both, sort of like windows task manager |
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| 11:28.39 | smb33 | mosty: thx probs solved :) |
| 11:28.47 | paulswm | Pappa: there is gnome-system-monitor |
| 11:28.49 | ethics | ugv delete the entire of the non-us lines...or comment them... its all moved into the normal archive....rules changes/worked out |
| 11:29.16 | ethics | ugv the top line and the security lines all you need.. |
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| 11:30.03 | ethics | ugv and the top line again without the src- at front also....3 lines in there |
| 11:30.06 | ugv | ethics, ok. because the second line has deb and the first line has deb-src so i thought i might need another line with deb for non-US |
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| 11:30.40 | paster | "ugv" at 202.156.2.154 pasted "source list" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/195 |
| 11:30.41 | timt | noob question: when using cfdisk how do save my changes without going to quit?? |
| 11:30.49 | ethics | ugv: you used to 8)... deb = normal files deb-src = source files....not normally needed... and the security line is stable only |
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| 11:31.19 | ethics | ugv yep try update dist-upgrade now |
| 11:31.21 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: ahh you better find out why it's > 10M now |
| 11:31.28 | ugv | ethics, ok. so now i just need to remove /updates from security.debian.org |
| 11:32.02 | ethics | ugv try it like that i think its correct |
| 11:32.10 | jerigonza | hello |
| 11:32.34 | ethics | may want to swap stable for sarge but its the same thing...just some people prefer distro names |
| 11:32.39 | jerigonza | ilive in mazagon (spain) |
| 11:32.47 | jm_ | sobersabre: set myarg1 [lindex $argv 0] ... |
| 11:32.57 | ethics | !es |
| 11:32.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:33.05 | paulswm | timt: w (UPPER CASE w) WRITES YOUR CHANGES TO DISK |
| 11:33.14 | paulswm | Whhops, sorry |
| 11:33.21 | paulswm | caps lock on in error |
| 11:33.46 | timt | paulswm: once its written then what??, it doesnt exit ?? |
| 11:33.58 | paulswm | timt: q |
| 11:34.01 | ethics | hehe why they make that key huge for i wonder?.....and why is ctrl alt delete the same shape hand as the vulcan neck pinch.... |
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| 11:34.52 | ethics | timt: :q! quits no save and :qw is save and quit if i remeber rightly 8) |
| 11:35.01 | jm_ | ethics: in cfdisk? |
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| 11:35.13 | Zero_Kelvin | Okay, I |
| 11:35.20 | brosio | anyone is using kde3.4 by experimental ? |
| 11:35.38 | paulswm | !spocksmite ethics |
| 11:35.40 | ethics | jm_ ohh whoops i thought it was Vi 101...i missed the proggy |
| 11:35.45 | timt | ethics: yeah q - quits and doesnt save |
| 11:35.46 | Zero_Kelvin | Sorry. I'm on the "emergency" laptop. Typing isn't too good on this little Satellite. |
| 11:36.10 | paulswm | timt: once you've used W to write, then q to quit, it doesn't undo the write |
| 11:36.31 | ethics | brosio: you have issues? |
| 11:36.33 | timt | paulswm: thanks :) |
| 11:36.45 | paulswm | timt: You're welcome :) |
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| 11:37.13 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: Staring a stopped boot. First error is "RAMDISK: incomplete write (-28 != 32768) 8388608" and from there it's all goes tits up. |
| 11:37.15 | brosio | ethics, ??? |
| 11:37.39 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: why don't you concentrate on figuring out why your initrd image gets so big? |
| 11:37.59 | Solet-deb_ | what is wrong with this line from /etc/sudoers: `solet ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/lufsmount' |
| 11:37.59 | ethics | brosio: you have problems with it? im not on 3.4 or unstable but i heard alot of banter about it in the last 12 hours 8) |
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| 11:38.19 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_: I'd like to but all I get from Google is how to build a big one for live cd's, flash ram boots and so on. |
| 11:38.33 | remora | i am trying to get the business card image from cdimage.debian.org but are getting error 404. |
| 11:38.36 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: do you even need initrd? |
| 11:38.47 | jm_ | remora: www.debian.org/CD |
| 11:38.57 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_, It's the way this machine is setup and I'm, sort of, used to it. |
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| 11:39.04 | remora | full url is: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 11:39.09 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: is it a custom kernel? |
| 11:39.11 | Vegar | Can't I tell dnsmasq to distribute the addresses in resolv.conf instead of giving its own address? |
| 11:39.52 | mosty | vegar: i think you have it backwards |
| 11:40.18 | mosty | vegar: you put the real dns ip's in dnsmasq's config, and dnsmasq's ip in resolv.conf (on all the client machines) |
| 11:40.28 | ethics | remora: you can try the bigger one or maybe a different mirror |
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| 11:40.45 | Vegar | mosty: that's not working for me |
| 11:40.52 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_, I'm gonna get some jeers for this but, it's a gentoo kernel, compiled with genkernel. Couldn't get any more help in channel gentoo then "genkernel is _evil_". I figure you guys in here are always able to help with low level debian issues, you probably could help with kernel issues. Channel kernel is dead. |
| 11:41.00 | Vegar | mosty: dig doesn't work on the clients |
| 11:41.05 | Vegar | mosty: it just times out |
| 11:41.09 | brosio | ethics, what mean banter ? |
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| 11:41.41 | remora | ethics: so all mirrors should have this file? sorry for dumb question |
| 11:41.42 | mosty | vegar: i don't have any experience with dnsmasq personally, but that's how i imagine the setup should work. i use dnscache to do this stuff |
| 11:41.46 | TheMoebius | whats the proper way to get java on debian? I don't see it in apt... |
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| 11:42.00 | ethics | brosio: unstable has alot of stuff moving in it atm as does etch. |
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| 11:42.06 | Vegar | TheMoebius: check the topic |
| 11:42.15 | ethics | vrosio: alot of dead gnomes today |
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| 11:42.27 | mosty | themoebius: apt-get install java-package , then download the java .bin from from sun. then run make-jpkg foo.bin (or something like that, man make-jpkg) |
| 11:42.27 | directhex|work | TheMoebius, install java-package, run make-jpkg on a .bin from sun.com |
| 11:42.28 | ethics | brosio: alot of dead gnomes today |
| 11:42.47 | mosty | and finally install the deb it builds with dpkg |
| 11:42.53 | brosio | ahhhhh :D |
| 11:42.56 | brosio | yes |
| 11:42.58 | ethics | remora: most of the mirrors will have it i beleive |
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| 11:43.07 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: I would rather configure it so you don't need initrd, it will save you some pain |
| 11:43.08 | brosio | i have kde3.3 |
| 11:43.15 | brosio | i don't if is secure make update |
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| 11:43.21 | brosio | to 3.4 |
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| 11:43.25 | Zero_Kelvin | Does this line help with my boot problem: "ram0: rw=0, want=32776, limit=16384". I haven't actually set the 16384 limit so where could that be coming from? |
| 11:43.36 | brosio | i' have deb unstable |
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| 11:44.12 | ethics | brosio: id not upgrade for a few days....at least |
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| 11:45.10 | ethics | Zero_Kelvin, well thats 16MB exactly is it a limit on ramdisk? |
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| 11:45.52 | ethics | Zero_Kelvin, there used to be a ramdisk.txt in 2.4 |
| 11:45.53 | Zero_Kelvin | ethics, I didn't set it. I did as wigwam and jm_ suggested and removed the ramdisk= setting from lilo, and didn't change the kernel setting from 8192. |
| 11:46.01 | TheMoebius | whats the advantage of using make-jpkg over sun's own install? |
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| 11:46.24 | mosty | TheMoebius: make-jpkg creates a .deb package which you can easily remove or purge later |
| 11:46.29 | Zero_Kelvin | less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ramdisk.txt |
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| 11:46.30 | directhex|work | TheMoebius, dpkg knows about it, and you can install packages that depends on java |
| 11:46.32 | Zero_Kelvin | Doh. |
| 11:46.41 | TheMoebius | ahh yes of course. |
| 11:46.49 | e0f | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.01 | ethics | Zero_Kelvin, hmm.. they compile more than i so i dont think id know any answers to it.. |
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| 11:48.19 | Zero_Kelvin | Hmm. I'll reboot the problematic machine into a working kernel anyway so I can "play" with it. |
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| 11:49.39 | wharf | Hi there |
| 11:49.50 | yoo | Hi all ! |
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| 11:49.53 | wharf | How can i get a dvd player for debian? |
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| 11:50.04 | wharf | Whats the program caled with it |
| 11:50.06 | wharf | callled* |
| 11:50.06 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: default ramdisk size is 4M |
| 11:50.16 | mosty | wharf: apt-get install xine or mplayer (may require the marillat apt source) |
| 11:50.17 | cmihai | just install mplayer or vlc or xine or whatever |
| 11:50.18 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: maybe it's your lilo setting? |
| 11:50.54 | e0f | i config my dsl with pppoeconf, but, when i make pon and i make ifconfig, there isn't ppp0, anyone help me? |
| 11:51.00 | jetscreamer | xine-ui |
| 11:51.04 | ethics | xine ogle mplayer vlc |
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| 11:51.20 | harpiain | Hi! I have a question about debian-gnome and network proxy... |
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| 11:51.26 | wharf | COulden't find both the packages |
| 11:51.29 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 11:51.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 11:51.32 | wharf | Anymore players? |
| 11:51.33 | da4n1 | i accedently removed /usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-linux/3.3.5/ can i reinstall and get my libs back? |
| 11:51.36 | pngwn | wharf, packages.debian.org |
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| 11:51.48 | jetscreamer | totem-xine |
| 11:52.00 | jetscreamer | but it's < xine-ui |
| 11:52.05 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_, Yeah I read that in the kernel docs. Mine is 8MB for some reason. and there's nothing else setting the ramdisk size in lilo other then the entry for the other kernel - 8192, but the initrd is only about 1.6MB |
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| 11:52.08 | ethics | wharf man apt-cache its the index... |
| 11:52.21 | andrownz | hello, I have a "File size limit exceeded" problem while doing a "dd bs=4k if=/dev/hdax conv=noerror > /mnt/shfs/hdax.img" FROM a linuxbox TO my openBSD-box 3.6 ffs (a "du -hs hdax.img" gives '2.5G' for now) .I'm almost sure it has something to do with sysctl to go over, I'm "manning" sysctl(8), but I can't find the right one. Can anyone help me in that? |
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| 11:52.50 | jetscreamer | there's a setting for the ramdisk size in the kernel config |
| 11:52.55 | jetscreamer | if that helps |
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| 11:53.19 | jetscreamer | and the default is 8192 |
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| 11:53.41 | cuse | Hi! My BitchX gets disconnected after a while (even with static IP). Is there a way to prevent this? |
| 11:53.57 | ethics | andrownz: seems like its a filesystem limit issue..... |
| 11:54.03 | jetscreamer | #bitchx iirc |
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| 11:54.04 | Zero_Kelvin | jetscreamer, Yeah I know, but if that's set to 8MB, where is the 16MB limit coming from? |
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| 11:55.00 | ugv | cuse, i think that has nothing to do with BitchX :P how about try other irc client like irssi or epic and see if it disconnect as often like BitchX? |
| 11:55.18 | ae__ | hellos |
| 11:55.18 | jetscreamer | perhaps the kernel's initrd ramdisk is a different ramdisk than one you would make yourself |
| 11:55.23 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: try ramsize /path/to/kernel_image |
| 11:55.28 | ae__ | has anyone problems upgrading to sarge? |
| 11:55.55 | mosty | ae, not i |
| 11:55.56 | harpiain | if I am behind a firewall/proxy and here are some internal sites (intranet, webmail etc). How could I put these sites without pass through firewall/proxy? |
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| 11:56.02 | jetscreamer | and the limitation set in lilo.conf would be for a userspace one |
| 11:56.06 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 11:56.11 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_, You mean the compiled binary? I get "Ramsize 0". |
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| 11:56.20 | ae__ | i had dist-upgrade and now my box doesnt bot with a Verifying DMI Pool Data........................... error |
| 11:56.24 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: even though you have explicitely set it? |
| 11:56.31 | chaps0063 | check out www.storewars.org for a little light hearted humor for the day... |
| 11:56.32 | jetscreamer | recompile and see is one way to find out :) |
| 11:56.44 | ttick | cuse: what's your network setup like (wireless, router, firewall, etc)? And do you have some sort of P2P client running (napster/edonkey/limewire/etc) ? |
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| 11:56.59 | ae__ | i have already a 2.4.31 recompiled and booting without any problems |
| 11:57.06 | cuse | ugv: well, BitchX doesnt even notice the disconnection until I write something |
| 11:57.26 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_, Booted up off of old kernel - ramsize=8192. ramsize /boot/kernel-2.6.11-gentoo-r7 returns "Ramsize 0". Same with r10 (new kernel). |
| 11:57.27 | ethics | andrownz, aaae_ enter your bios and exit with save and see if it does it again |
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| 11:57.37 | ethics | andrownz, mistab 8/ |
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| 11:57.53 | jetscreamer | ae__: yeah that's a bios looking error |
| 11:57.57 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: maybe this is no longer used then, wouldn't surprise me - well anyway,what's the difference between old and working, and new kernel? |
| 11:58.01 | genben | has anyone had trouble with a debian netinst.iso today, that is does not work? |
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| 11:58.08 | cuse | ttick: no router, but firewall (only few server ports open from outside), no P2P and a 100MBit connection |
| 11:58.16 | andrownz | ethics, whatt??? |
| 11:58.31 | ethics | ae__ : nm wrong dmi msg |
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| 11:58.45 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_, Hmm. Give me a little while, I'm gonna trysomething... |
| 11:58.49 | ethics | andrownz, i thought you meant the bios dmi check |
| 11:58.55 | ttick | cuse: hmm, perhaps your ISP is dropping you for a moment or two? |
| 11:59.02 | harpiain | Hi! I have a question about debian-gnome and network proxy... if I am behind a firewall/proxy and here are some internal sites (intranet, webmail etc). How could I put these sites without pass through firewall/proxy? |
| 11:59.14 | Ugly_Duck | just tried to boot into a new kernel, it couldn't find root=/dev/hda3 i noticed the other lines in my menu.list for grub use initrd? |
| 11:59.45 | jm_ | Ugly_Duck: you're asking us if you have noticed something - how can we tell? |
| 11:59.49 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: if you apt-got the new kernel yes you'd need one |
| 11:59.52 | cuse | ttick: what do you mean with "dropping"? It's the belwue network (scientific network in Germany) I doubt they drop anybody |
| 11:59.53 | xtension | !tell genben about polls |
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| 12:00.03 | Wyzard | harpiain: depends on how your network is set up |
| 12:00.14 | genben | i read that, sorry |
| 12:00.23 | ttick | cuse: yeah, sounds unlikely. Is it a recent problem, or a persistant one for a while? |
| 12:00.42 | cuse | ttick: no it's persistant |
| 12:00.51 | ethics | harpiaim: in proxy settings for the browser you can bypass.. or if its transparent proxy you can add to hosts file so it resolves local maybee |
| 12:01.05 | ae__ | thanks ethics , going to check that |
| 12:01.15 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: i built the kernel, then dpkg -i to install... on boot up it says it cannot find root=/dev/hda3 is this cause my partition could be ext3 and it was not loaded in the kernel.. or some thing to do with initrd in the menu.list for grub? |
| 12:01.27 | jm_ | Ugly_Duck: /msg dpkg norootfs |
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| 12:01.57 | ethics | ar_ used to be some dodgy bioses...pcpartner which spat dmi issues on kernel changes many moons back....2003 times |
| 12:02.00 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: ^^ and if you compiled with make-kpkg --initrd you'd need the initrd entry. if not, no. |
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| 12:02.10 | genben | hmm, rephrase .... is there currently a known fault with the netinst.iso and if so, has anyone experienced it today? |
| 12:02.37 | ethics | ar_ may not be related but if it is saving the settings on each boot was a hack around while the bios lfash became available... |
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| 12:02.39 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: i didn't use the --initrd option.. |
| 12:02.44 | jm_ | genben: one known fault was related to it leaving commented lines for security updates |
| 12:03.04 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: then you didn't compile something in, like your ide cotroller or your filesystem support |
| 12:03.05 | ttick | cuse: hmm, can't help ya. But I have experienced a similar problem recently (drops me about 2x a day, same way as yours). And I've also had the problem when I was running a P2P server (eDonkey2k). When I do that it drops me about every 5 mins, sometimes w/in 30second. Very annoying. |
| 12:03.06 | harpiain | Excuse-me, but I'm tring to ephifany... |
| 12:03.20 | jetscreamer | s/cotroller/controller/ |
| 12:03.33 | Kepplar | Hey has anyone here tried to install Xen via the apt repositories / deb packages? |
| 12:03.37 | cuse | ttick: only with BitchX or provider related? |
| 12:03.57 | Kepplar | I've installed everything, but can't find all the kernel files |
| 12:03.58 | ethics | jm_ i dont beleive that was a fault ...it was in the release notes some people said but we had so many of the same question bob2 went and mentioned it as a problem.....i think there was 12 inside a minute at one time hehe |
| 12:03.58 | jetscreamer | Kepplar: i've seen many ppl trying and crying :) |
| 12:04.07 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: Hmmm.... i'll go dbl check.. but i'm pretty sure, i imported the previous .config file.. which should have had all that stuff in it right |
| 12:04.11 | jetscreamer | Kepplar: no idea how to do it though |
| 12:04.27 | Kepplar | jetscreamer: heh, looks easy to do from source, but I would prefer it all managed by apt you see :) |
| 12:04.28 | ttick | cuse: it happens to me with any TCP based protocol. Telnet, ssh, bitchx, etc |
| 12:04.31 | bob2 | ethics: they're re-doing the cds and dvds to fix it |
| 12:04.32 | ethics | genben: nothing notable a few hardware detection lockups.. |
| 12:04.43 | jm_ | ethics: they ar emaking new versions of CD-s because of it |
| 12:04.53 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: when you make menuconfig your /boot/config-`uname -r` is automagically sucked in (least here it is) |
| 12:05.07 | genben | ethics: i burnt the .iso, tried to boot my G3 iMac and it just hangs |
| 12:05.15 | jetscreamer | and Ugly_Duck if it was a stock kernel no that would be set up for initrd and modules |
| 12:05.17 | ethics | bob2 hehe...well we did think it was a bit too common to be normal hehe |
| 12:05.40 | ethics | gerban: where abouts?... |
| 12:06.12 | ethics | and the 104 mb or the buisness card? buisnesscard seems to be ummm...awol |
| 12:06.13 | cuse | ttick: ok, thank, I'll try another IRC client however, let's see if it helps...... |
| 12:06.22 | ttick | cuse: okay, good luck |
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| 12:06.40 | ethics | hm imac...full size disk.. |
| 12:06.51 | genben | jm_: any idea when the new cd versions will be up/l'd? |
| 12:06.59 | egg|new | hi , I am back ^-^ |
| 12:07.13 | jetscreamer | cuse: irssi-text, or xchat |
| 12:07.14 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: oh ok, so the modules should be selected from the installed .config file from the install |
| 12:07.16 | ethics | genben: its already up i think |
| 12:07.19 | egg|new | what's new today? |
| 12:07.31 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: and i should also use the --initrd option? |
| 12:07.32 | jm_ | genben: someone gave a dir with 3.1a or something similar earlier, maybe some already are |
| 12:07.34 | genben | is that the 31r0a? per chance? |
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| 12:07.57 | ethics | egg|new, etch.rollins.....unstable killed gnome.... |
| 12:08.14 | harpiain | Excuse-me, but I'm tring to use ephifany and there isn't has a way to set up local sites that I don't want it use the proxy... |
| 12:08.16 | egg|new | oh |
| 12:08.19 | chaps0063 | i would like some assistance getting my tablet to work, has anyone gotten a tablet to work? |
| 12:08.20 | egg|new | bad bad |
| 12:08.22 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: a stock kernel has a lot of modules selected, but not much set to compile in ... just loadable modules. and Ugly_Duck imo no you don't need initrd, unless you need initrd (one kernel to rule them all (many boxes)) |
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| 12:08.31 | ethics | there wa a link 2 hours back for 30appc |
| 12:08.50 | ethics | may not have hit torrents yet |
| 12:08.51 | jetscreamer | ethics: it's the new gnome-vfs thing |
| 12:08.52 | darsie | non-US is only in stable, right? |
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| 12:09.09 | jetscreamer | !say there is no non-us |
| 12:09.10 | dpkg | there is no non-us |
| 12:09.17 | egg|new | ? |
| 12:09.23 | genben | k, hmm, anyone been on that long? and can see that link? |
| 12:09.49 | ethics | jetscreamer, yeah 900 packages moved to etch and alot of lib changes in unstable coming soon from what i heard |
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| 12:09.51 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: ok, ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support <-- is the category i should be looking for my ide interface right |
| 12:10.02 | ttick | jetscreamer: whenever I don't use initrd I always seem to get a kernel panic on loading the root FS. Even when I have the FS type compiled in, instead of a module. :/ But I haven't tried it again since the days of 2.8.1rc3 or so. |
| 12:10.08 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: believe so |
| 12:10.18 | Ugly_Duck | k. thanks |
| 12:10.25 | egg|new | MFM/RLL lol |
| 12:10.36 | egg|new | nice interface |
| 12:10.42 | jetscreamer | hey i have an rll up in the attic that still works baybee |
| 12:10.46 | jairo | Hi, I did apt-get dist-upgrade and now sshd does not work any longer. |
| 12:10.48 | ethics | darsie its in the main ftps now remove the lines for non us |
| 12:11.06 | jairo | it closes connection when I try to log in. |
| 12:11.10 | darsie | ic, thx |
| 12:11.12 | jetscreamer | jairo: ls /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run (iirc that's the filename) |
| 12:11.21 | chaps0063 | I have a Fujitsu Lifebook T4010 and I was hoping to get some assistance with the tablet and getting that to work. |
| 12:11.24 | jetscreamer | oh well that might be different |
| 12:11.30 | ethics | jairo: logs? |
| 12:11.47 | egg|new | hehe, information upgraded ^-^ |
| 12:12.01 | jairo | ethics: logs none, but output from sshd -d. Where do I put it? |
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| 12:12.21 | ethics | #flood ? |
| 12:12.23 | Usiu | Hi, why apache2 doesnt have mod_filter ? |
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| 12:12.26 | jetscreamer | #flood, pastebot |
| 12:12.29 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 12:12.30 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 12:12.50 | jairo | ok 1 sec |
| 12:12.52 | Usiu | ? |
| 12:13.02 | Daurnimator | any other mirrors of r0a up yet? |
| 12:13.14 | Usiu | Why apache2 doesnt have mod_filter ? |
| 12:13.27 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_, Okay, so what do I do to boot with a non-initrd kernel? I looked into this laptop's lilo and it's got an initrd.img specified in it too, so I can't look there to see how I did it before - wasn't sure. |
| 12:13.35 | jetscreamer | !find mod_filter |
| 12:13.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mod_filter' (1): (/usr/lib/apache/1.3/{510mod_filter.info|mod_filter.so}) in web/libapache-mod-filter. |
| 12:13.57 | ethics | Daurnimator, many where up all day some just arriving..ppc apparently hard to find so far |
| 12:14.12 | Daurnimator | eg... |
| 12:14.17 | jetscreamer | !info libapache-mod-filter |
| 12:14.20 | dpkg | libapache-mod-filter: (Filter documents through a script), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4-8.1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 12:14.28 | paster | "jairo" at 85.72.147.10 pasted "sshd badness" (57 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/196 |
| 12:14.37 | jetscreamer | ah not apache2 i guess |
| 12:14.38 | ethics | !di |
| 12:14.38 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
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| 12:15.06 | singe | can someone tell me why in the hell gnome-panel is conflicting with libgnomevfs2-0 in sid? |
| 12:15.09 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 12:15.11 | jairo | ethics: there it is. The configuration files look sane, afaict |
| 12:15.15 | Usiu | jetscreamer, noodl Usiu: it's a stock apache module, so grab the apache source. |
| 12:15.19 | jairo | they are the same as ever |
| 12:15.26 | chaps0063 | !info tablet |
| 12:15.29 | jetscreamer | i had such a bork, the latest openssh upgrade set stuff to keys only |
| 12:15.32 | Daurnimator | ethics: is there a list up somewhere? |
| 12:15.57 | jetscreamer | disabled ssh'ing with pw's |
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| 12:16.21 | jetscreamer | and i could have swore i said no.. actually i know i did. but still it got set like that. |
| 12:16.43 | jetscreamer | ah it was the remote upgrade |
| 12:16.50 | genben | Daurnimator: i have exactly the same query |
| 12:16.52 | singe | jetscreamer: does it? I thought it was just instructing it to use PAM instead of ssh's challenge response? |
| 12:17.00 | ethics | Daurnimator, on the images site.....debian.org links |
| 12:17.04 | jetscreamer | Permission denied (publickey). |
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| 12:17.22 | jetscreamer | that's my new error msg since the upgrade when i try to ssh into the box in the next room |
| 12:17.22 | wharf | Ok, the computer can't find mplayer or xine |
| 12:17.26 | wharf | Any others |
| 12:17.29 | wharf | i can try |
| 12:17.33 | ethics | ok which ones you want guys ill grab links |
| 12:17.34 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xine-ui |
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| 12:17.58 | Daurnimator | ethics: the ones i've checked are not up yet |
| 12:18.07 | wharf | Bingo |
| 12:18.11 | jetscreamer | and mplayer isn't in debian due to licensing issues, but you can get it from marillat |
| 12:18.11 | wharf | Thanks :) |
| 12:18.15 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 12:18.16 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 12:18.17 | ethics | wharf : xine-ui, ogle , vlc, mplayer....for mplayer you have to add sources for marillat: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:18.21 | jetscreamer | very good repository |
| 12:18.36 | jairo | In my case stuff starts to go wrong after debug1: PAM: setting PAM_TTY to "ssh" |
| 12:18.43 | ethics | bah you have transparent proxies at isps heheh |
| 12:18.47 | jetscreamer | yes that pam stuff |
| 12:19.01 | jetscreamer | the upgrade mentioned setting something |
| 12:19.02 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 12:19.25 | jetscreamer | jairo: sid or sarge |
| 12:19.25 | Daurnimator | i am trying to use jigdo but It says that the template folder does not exist on the debian server... |
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| 12:19.31 | jairo | 3.1 |
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| 12:19.36 | chaps0063 | how can i tell what my clock speed is for my cpu? |
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| 12:19.48 | jetscreamer | jairo: they're both 3.1 afaik |
| 12:19.57 | jetscreamer | least /etc/debian_version says so |
| 12:19.57 | directhex|work | i do hope sid changes debian_version back to testing/unstable soon |
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| 12:20.09 | berzerka | chaps0063: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:20.17 | wharf | it said error there is no plugin to handle dvds |
| 12:20.23 | jairo | Well, I don't know which one. |
| 12:20.29 | jairo | How do I find out? |
| 12:20.33 | ethics | jairo: Failed publickey.....maybee related? |
| 12:20.38 | drac | jairo: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:20.39 | directhex|work | wharf, are you in the free world, or a fascist state? |
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| 12:20.57 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.02 | chaps0063 | if i have a pentium m, how can i get speedstepping to work? |
| 12:21.02 | singe | can someone tell me why in the hell gnome-panel is conflicting with libgnomevfs2-0 in sid? |
| 12:21.05 | ethics | although segfault is weird....normally a memory goof |
| 12:21.22 | jetscreamer | wharf: you probably want to get libdvdcss2 also, or whatever the filename is |
| 12:21.27 | directhex|work | singe, because that's what sid does. it breaks |
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| 12:21.37 | directhex|work | singe, but you knew that already, right? |
| 12:21.38 | jetscreamer | singe, that's why it's sid (they do that a lot) |
| 12:21.48 | ethics | jairo, did you set this up orginally before the upgrade? |
| 12:21.51 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: you need to configure kernel properly |
| 12:21.51 | wharf | directhex|work: please explain? |
| 12:21.52 | jetscreamer | singe: you could put the vfs on hold |
| 12:21.58 | directhex|work | specifically, it's because of gnome 2.10 coming into sid |
| 12:22.00 | jairo | ethics: yes, before the upgrade it worked. |
| 12:22.02 | singe | jetscreamer, directhex|work: yeah but is anyone else seeing this behaviour? |
| 12:22.04 | Zero_Kelvin-OC | Hiyo! Yeah, there's currently two of me, one on this box and one on the backup laptop. |
| 12:22.13 | jetscreamer | singe: yes i did, i put it on hold |
| 12:22.26 | jairo | I know it's debian stable 3.1. No clue if it is sid or sarge |
| 12:22.29 | jetscreamer | singe: untill i remembered i removed gnome :) |
| 12:22.30 | directhex|work | wharf, if you're a member of the free world, then install libdvdcss2 from the marillat repository. if you're in a fascist dictatorship like america, don't, you could get arrested for it |
| 12:22.38 | jetscreamer | jairo: stable would be sarge |
| 12:22.52 | Zero_Kelvin-OC | jm_: Other than the kernel options and settings in lilo, is there any "hidden" system settings I should be aware of? |
| 12:22.53 | jairo | well, there you have it :-) |
| 12:23.08 | jetscreamer | or you could be a wild and wooly american outlaw like me and install it anyway |
| 12:23.26 | jetscreamer | s/wooly/woolly/ ? |
| 12:23.36 | ethics | jairo: hmm...it looks like there is something buggy with what it's done.......the error could require you to make new public keys but the fact it segfaults makes me believe its not really your issue |
| 12:24.00 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: is there some thing you should do like make mrpropper to clean things out before rebuilding a new kernel again? |
| 12:24.00 | jetscreamer | ethics: imo it's yet another sid upgrade bork , no idea though |
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| 12:24.23 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin-OC: no, "/msg dpkg norootfs" for some hints, i.e. compile things that are needed at boot statically |
| 12:24.34 | jairo | ethics: well, full disclosure here: that thing is a uml |
| 12:24.37 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, don't move, the mpaa police are homing in on your position. hope you like cuba |
| 12:24.37 | Maliuta | c/n |
| 12:24.40 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: make-kpkg clean is good, you might mrproper to make sure |
| 12:24.48 | chaps0063 | do i have to rebuild my kernel to get speed stepping to work? |
| 12:24.48 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: ahh.. okies, thanks |
| 12:24.52 | chaps0063 | !info speed-stepping |
| 12:24.56 | jetscreamer | directhex|work: the gps was redirected long ago |
| 12:26.04 | Daurnimator | what mirrors are known to work |
| 12:26.05 | Daurnimator | ? |
| 12:26.15 | ethics | jairo: i c ...well i cant tell you what specifically is wrong...the publik keys error may be real and solvable by making new keys...(not that they should havve borked) the segfault is less pleasing tho.. |
| 12:26.16 | jetscreamer | chaps0063: you could see if the module was compiled, and load it if so |
| 12:26.40 | ethics | jairo: your on Sid? |
| 12:26.57 | ethics | Jai: uml obviosly implies it |
| 12:27.11 | chaps0063 | jetscreamer, where is it that i look to see if it was compiled? |
| 12:27.15 | Daurnimator | (r0a) |
| 12:27.28 | jairo | ethics: what do you mean? THe host is a Suse whatever |
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| 12:27.43 | ethics | wharf: did you figure it out? |
| 12:27.45 | jetscreamer | chaps0063: /boot/config-blah , or modconf,(might need to apt-get that nowadays) |
| 12:27.49 | wharf | No |
| 12:27.50 | wharf | :( |
| 12:28.05 | wharf | I'm a newbie to linux |
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| 12:28.14 | wharf | I installed xine |
| 12:28.17 | chaps0063 | thanks jetscreamer |
| 12:28.18 | wharf | thats all |
| 12:28.23 | wharf | but xine fails to play dvds |
| 12:28.40 | jetscreamer | wharf: run xine-check in a console/xterm |
| 12:28.43 | ethics | jairo: then yeah your way ahead of sarge in some stuff.. id be asking redhat /fc |
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| 12:29.15 | Daurnimator | working sarge mirrors (r0a) could someone please tell me one that isn't overloaded |
| 12:29.16 | directhex|work | !tell wharf about marillat |
| 12:29.28 | jairo | ethics: why? this has nothing to do with the host of the uml. |
| 12:29.29 | silverton | ok, I'm using Debian unstable, and I just typed "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it says it's going to remove gnome |
| 12:29.45 | chaps0063 | ok, i tried to install the speedstep-centrino module but it told me it wasn't found. |
| 12:29.47 | jetscreamer | silverton: put the gnome-vfs on hold |
| 12:29.50 | thomas_adam | silverton: Yes, and? |
| 12:29.56 | Zero_Kelvin | jm_, Off for a smoke. When I talk again, it will be after attempting to boot an initrd-less kernel. {fingers crossed} |
| 12:29.59 | directhex|work | !tell chaps0063 about sarge hardware support |
| 12:29.59 | ethics | wharf: to play dvds you need to bypass securities etc so its not in debian as such....marillat hosts them instead....what your missing is codecs probably...try searching for w32codecs and libcss i think it is....its been a while since i set up |
| 12:29.59 | jetscreamer | and that might be a metapackage anyway |
| 12:30.00 | wharf | I had a list of options |
| 12:30.03 | drac | silverton: It's an empty metapackage but you should know that since you're using sid. |
| 12:30.07 | wharf | letters i can add |
| 12:30.20 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, thank you. |
| 12:30.23 | silverton | oh... |
| 12:30.29 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: hehe |
| 12:30.36 | Daurnimator | working sarge mirrors (r0a) could someone please tell me one that isn't overloaded - please |
| 12:30.37 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, how can i tell if im on the dothon core? |
| 12:30.51 | jetscreamer | dothon? |
| 12:30.53 | directhex|work | chaps0063, you need to either patch your kernel, or switch to a pre-patched kernel such as those in ubuntu |
| 12:30.59 | directhex|work | chaps0063, what speed pentium-m is it? |
| 12:31.05 | jetscreamer | oh intel |
| 12:31.11 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, 1.6 |
| 12:31.18 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, dothan is the codename for pentium-m processors made in the past 6-12 months |
| 12:31.27 | directhex|work | chaps0063, which bus speed, do you know? |
| 12:31.34 | jetscreamer | i don't keep up with intel much |
| 12:31.35 | ethics | jairo: thats true but they may have others experiencing this...to be honest its seems to be you not a bug as such we havent seen that here at all |
| 12:31.38 | jetscreamer | anymore |
| 12:31.59 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, pentium-m is very good |
| 12:32.07 | jetscreamer | mine borked, his borked, i say it's not us |
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| 12:32.16 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, 400Mhz |
| 12:32.23 | chaps0063 | its the pentium m 745. |
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| 12:32.30 | jetscreamer | i know i ansered that q properly, too |
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| 12:32.32 | chaps0063 | err 725 |
| 12:32.33 | jetscreamer | w* |
| 12:32.33 | ethics | jairo: as i say segfault is normally a memory / addressing issue..mismatched libs etc |
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| 12:32.49 | jairo | yeah, mismatched libs is probably the issue. |
| 12:33.03 | ethics | jairo: it can be bugs in software but you seem isolated case |
| 12:33.13 | directhex|work | chaps0063, 725 is dothan |
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| 12:33.46 | sepen | anyone knows how to run a COM-Irda cable? |
| 12:33.48 | Daurnimator | working sarge mirrors (r0a) could someone please tell me one that isn't overloaded - pretty please |
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| 12:33.55 | _AxS_ | hey all -- is there a howto someplace for doing the woody->sarge upgrade? |
| 12:34.00 | ethics | jairo: where did you upgrade from ? |
| 12:34.01 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, so I will be stuck working at 1600Mhz? |
| 12:34.10 | directhex|work | chaps0063, or patch your kernel, or switch to ubuntu |
| 12:34.17 | jairo | ethics: debian stable, up to date. |
| 12:34.23 | directhex|work | !tell _AxS_ about woody->sarge |
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| 12:34.46 | _AxS_ | directhex|work: tnx! |
| 12:34.48 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: if my /etc/kernel-image.conf already had initrd= yes should i compile a initrd kernel or plain? |
| 12:34.57 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, where would i find a kernel patch? |
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| 12:35.18 | Daurnimator | !tell Daurnimator about woody->sarge |
| 12:35.19 | directhex|work | chaps0063, give me a minute, i'll find it |
| 12:35.26 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, thanks. |
| 12:35.33 | jaakko_ | hello, where can i find someone who could help me with beatrix installation??? |
| 12:35.41 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: either way, it's if you compile it for initrd, make-kpkg --initrd , for instance. i have initrd support still in my customs, but don't use initrd |
| 12:35.43 | ethics | jairo...so woody to sarge? ie your sources atm have stable/testing/sarge/woody in them? |
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| 12:35.50 | MooseMorals | !tell MooseMorals about woody->sarge |
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| 12:36.07 | jetscreamer | or rather, if your hw support isn't statically compiled in |
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| 12:36.11 | jetscreamer | you need it |
| 12:36.24 | Ruzbeh | where can I download the stock debian sarge kernel on a website |
| 12:36.29 | jetscreamer | and fs support, and... |
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| 12:36.41 | jetscreamer | packages.debian.org iirc |
| 12:36.43 | jaakko_ | need help with beatrix installation |
| 12:36.51 | Solet-deb_ | how do i make a script execute on boot? |
| 12:37.01 | directhex|work | chaps0063, http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=601 |
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| 12:37.09 | directhex|work | dpkg, dothan is http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=601 |
| 12:37.10 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 12:37.20 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, thanks. |
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| 12:37.53 | thomas_adam | Solet-deb_: mkdir /etc/rc.boot and place your scripts in there. |
| 12:37.55 | directhex|work | jaakko_, try a beatrix channel, or www.debian.org |
| 12:38.00 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, ok, i've never patched my kernel, how do I go about that? |
| 12:38.16 | lamp_ | hmm i have debian unstable but with my last apt-get upgrade today. Apt removed gnome gnome-desktop-environement etc when i try to install it again he said he can't install because some pakages he need are in 'incoming' |
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| 12:38.26 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: ahh okies, does it put a initrd image in the /boot when the kernel is installed via dpkg? |
| 12:38.29 | thomas_adam | lamp_: Yex. |
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| 12:38.33 | thomas_adam | lamp_: They're metapackages. |
| 12:38.34 | Daurnimator | working sarge mirrors (r0a) could someone please tell me one that isn't overloaded - please |
| 12:38.34 | ethics | jetscreamer...would you know whats in the new 2.6.11 deb kernel? centrino support alsa version ? |
| 12:39.00 | thomas_adam | lamp_: If you have to wonder why, you ought not to be running unstable. |
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| 12:39.29 | Rickdangerous | Daurnimator, use torent |
| 12:39.31 | jairo | apt-get go-ahead-screw-my-working-system |
| 12:39.35 | ttick|afk | Ugly_Duck: yes, it should. (though it might not be correctly put in your grub menu /etc/grub/menu.lst. |
| 12:39.47 | directhex|work | chaps0063, apt-get install kernel-package kernel-source-2.6.8; cd /usr/src; tar jxvf kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2; cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config |
| 12:39.57 | directhex|work | chaps0063, that should get you partially ready |
| 12:40.07 | jetscreamer | ethics: i run amd and hate alsa, so no i wouldn't know those things :/ i could almost swear i've seen the word centrino though (not sure) |
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| 12:40.21 | lamp_ | thomas_adam, i'm running unstable because i have a verry new pc |
| 12:40.26 | directhex|work | chaps0063, oops, switch to the kernel-source-whatever folder before copyinng .config in |
| 12:40.27 | Daurnimator | Rickdangerous: ISP has blocked ports |
| 12:40.37 | thomas_adam | You err, might want to cd to the kernel source directory before you cp /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 12:40.39 | ethics | lamp_, basically unstable gnome is borked atm because 2.10 is rolling in |
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| 12:40.54 | jetscreamer | you don't need to cp the .config in debian |
| 12:40.57 | directhex|work | centrino isn't a chipset -_- |
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| 12:41.01 | thomas_adam | lamp_: Heh. |
| 12:41.06 | jetscreamer | make meuconfig automatically imports it |
| 12:41.25 | jetscreamer | no it's a mobile proc |
| 12:41.27 | chaps0063 | thanks everyone. |
| 12:41.33 | directhex|work | no, it's not a mobile processor either |
| 12:41.33 | wharf | Any other dvd players avlable? lol |
| 12:41.36 | chaps0063 | i will let you know how things go... |
| 12:41.39 | jetscreamer | no?? hmm |
| 12:41.45 | ethics | jetscreamer, cool thx mate ill go look at the changelogs when etch is in speeds woefullatm |
| 12:41.51 | jetscreamer | wharf: did you run xine-check ? |
| 12:41.55 | Daurnimator | working sarge mirrors (r0a) could someone please tell me one that isn't overloaded - please |
| 12:42.00 | lamp_ | ethics, zo i can be fixed in a few days :) |
| 12:42.08 | directhex|work | centrino is a brand name, applied to certified hardware/software setups |
| 12:42.08 | jetscreamer | wharf: did you add marillat to your sources? |
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| 12:42.18 | chaps0063 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino |
| 12:42.19 | notty | sal all |
| 12:42.26 | silverton | Daurnimator, http://debian.oregonstate.edu/ |
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| 12:42.45 | ethics | directhex|work, technology for speedsteping mobile low lotage cpus and such... |
| 12:42.48 | jetscreamer | wharf: did yo uingore the entire channel? |
| 12:42.51 | wharf | Had an error |
| 12:42.53 | wharf | it was.. |
| 12:42.54 | directhex|work | that's an innacurate description |
| 12:42.55 | wharf | [OUCH!!] no MTRR support in kernel. |
| 12:42.55 | wharf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.56 | wharf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.56 | wharf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:43.06 | jetscreamer | !tell wharf about paste |
| 12:43.07 | Ugly_Duck | ttick: cheers |
| 12:43.13 | lamp_ | thx thomas_adam an ethics |
| 12:43.16 | silverton | whoa, dial-up in the UK... |
| 12:43.20 | directhex|work | ethics, centrino isn't technology, it's a logo |
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| 12:43.31 | chaps0063 | ethics, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino |
| 12:43.34 | ethics | lamp_, maybee i wouldnt be holding my breath on it working in the next week.....welcome to Sid |
| 12:43.45 | wharf | did you get that? |
| 12:43.46 | directhex|work | chaps0063, that's not an accurate article |
| 12:43.55 | Solet-deb_ | how do i view my user id number? |
| 12:43.58 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, oh...sorry about that. |
| 12:43.59 | jetscreamer | you should be running fluxbox or icewm anyway, |
| 12:44.03 | jetscreamer | Solet-deb_: id |
| 12:44.18 | wharf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.18 | jetscreamer | wharf: get what |
| 12:44.21 | Daurnimator | silverton: i need i386 dvd image for (r0a) - not on that site, thanks anyway |
| 12:44.22 | wharf | is teh main error |
| 12:44.32 | wharf | the* |
| 12:44.38 | jetscreamer | yeah. wharf you can modprobe that module or use modconf iirc |
| 12:44.42 | ethics | solet : first user is 1000 hehe i asume you were number 1 hehe |
| 12:44.48 | ttick | jetscreamer: fluxbox is rather nice, just wish it had session management. :/ |
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| 12:45.00 | wharf | And |
| 12:45.02 | wharf | Hint |
| 12:45.03 | wharf | No xine-config |
| 12:45.09 | wharf | and loads of text |
| 12:45.32 | jetscreamer | so wharf did you add marillat to your sources.list and update and get the 2 files? |
| 12:45.33 | Ugly_Duck | i am only installing a new kernel so i can install the nvidia drivers for my video card |
| 12:45.43 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: heh you didn't have to |
| 12:45.48 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, so all i do is switch to the kernel-source folder and then cp /boot/config-$ .config |
| 12:45.51 | ethics | solet: the command would be "id" hehe |
| 12:45.52 | wharf | and no input plugging |
| 12:45.53 | wharf | s |
| 12:45.54 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: truely.. |
| 12:46.03 | wharf | You should probably reinstall xine-lib... |
| 12:46.04 | wharf | lol |
| 12:46.08 | Ugly_Duck | oh man, thats just typical |
| 12:46.10 | directhex|work | chaps0063, THEN you can apply the patch & recompile the kernel. this is just the preamble |
| 12:46.16 | Ugly_Duck | it complains about no source etc |
| 12:46.29 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, ok...what would be the command for applying the patch? |
| 12:46.36 | ethics | Solet-deb_, "id" |
| 12:46.37 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, this is all new to me. |
| 12:46.47 | zigkill | Sorry if OT: Are there any issues when moving from cyrus-* (in woody) to cyrus21-* (in sarge)? |
| 12:46.59 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: if you mean the nvidia.run, you only needed the kernel-headers-`uname -r` and supply --kernel-include-path= or --kernel-source-path= |
| 12:47.06 | Solet-deb_ | ethics: yeah... someone already said that... i already had 1000 plugged in before you said anything :P |
| 12:47.15 | directhex|work | chaps0063, change to arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/ and run patch -p0 < /the/file.diff |
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| 12:47.43 | wharf | I'm fucked basicly? |
| 12:47.49 | ethics | Solet-deb_, hehe im on dialup with etch upgrading so im prolly lagging hehe |
| 12:47.50 | wharf | Loads of stuff worng with it |
| 12:47.51 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: there's a guy who knows way more than me who rants and raves about the use of the .run and how it will break x when x gets upgraded, or it will break when x gets upgraded, i forget... |
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| 12:47.59 | jetscreamer | wharf: |
| 12:48.04 | jetscreamer | no, it's probably easy |
| 12:48.05 | wharf | Yea? |
| 12:48.09 | cdc | i am using Sarge is it possible to install KDE 3.4 in Sarge? |
| 12:48.23 | jetscreamer | wharf: ls /dev/dvd |
| 12:48.31 | directhex|work | oh god, someone using nvidia-installer? |
| 12:48.37 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 12:48.44 | Ugly_Duck | jetscreamer: ahh.. okies, so every time x is upgraded you have ot reinstall the drivers? |
| 12:48.45 | jetscreamer | if he is or not, looks like it though |
| 12:48.46 | directhex|work | it ought to be okay on sarge now, but on etch/sid, you may as well stab yourself in the face |
| 12:48.50 | wharf | debian:/home/wharf# s /dev/dvd |
| 12:48.50 | wharf | bash: s: command not found |
| 12:48.51 | jetscreamer | Ugly_Duck: not sure |
| 12:48.54 | wharf | lol |
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| 12:48.59 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, it says can't find the file to patch at input line 3. |
| 12:49.00 | jetscreamer | hasn't happend to debian in a long time |
| 12:49.03 | Ugly_Duck | hehehe.. okies |
| 12:49.08 | jetscreamer | but Ugly_Duck soon it will |
| 12:49.08 | directhex|work | !tell Ugly_Duck about why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 12:49.11 | ethics | cdc sarge is 3.3 |
| 12:49.11 | jetscreamer | xorg is coming |
| 12:49.20 | singe | is it possible to downgrade from sid to sarge? I changed my sources.list but how would I tell package versions to go down? |
| 12:49.21 | Ugly_Duck | i should goto bed, got an appointment in the morning |
| 12:49.28 | jetscreamer | singe, it's called reinstall |
| 12:49.33 | directhex|work | chaps0063, what's the command you typed? |
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| 12:49.42 | ethics | cdc yes its possible but the its not stable and not official but you can.. |
| 12:49.49 | singe | jetscreamer: that is so microsoft man :) |
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| 12:50.11 | chaps0063 | patch -p0 < /home/bjr223/cpufreq-speedstep-dothan-3.patch |
| 12:50.18 | jetscreamer | wharf: ls |
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| 12:50.24 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 12:50.25 | dpkg | it has been said that downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 12:50.39 | wharf | ok |
| 12:50.42 | lamp_ | !tell lamp_ about why nvidia-installer sucks |
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| 12:50.45 | singe | jetscreamer: thank you. |
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| 12:50.55 | wharf | got a list of files and folders |
| 12:51.03 | directhex|work | chaps0063, and you're running that in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/ ? |
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| 12:51.09 | Ugly_Duck | directhex|work: nvidia-kernel-common ? these drivers etc? |
| 12:51.10 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, yes. |
| 12:51.15 | jetscreamer | wharf: ls /dev/dvd |
| 12:51.16 | mosty | is it possible to put mount --bind commands in fstab ? or should i create another init script? |
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| 12:51.39 | wharf | No such file or directory |
| 12:51.39 | directhex|work | chaps0063, oh crap, got my patch command wrong. change to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8, and use patch -p1 < /path/to/patch |
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| 12:51.41 | Daurnimator | working sarge mirrors (dvd image of r0a) could someone please tell me one that isn't overloaded - please |
| 12:51.47 | directhex|work | !tell Ugly_Duck about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:51.57 | jetscreamer | wharf: ls -lA /dev/cdrom |
| 12:51.57 | ethics | mosty whats your goal? |
| 12:52.23 | wharf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2005-06-08 00:28 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc |
| 12:52.23 | wharf | debian:/home/wharf# |
| 12:52.30 | wharf | what ever that means |
| 12:52.37 | mosty | ethics: replace a set of symlinks with mount --bind calls, so that the links will work over samba |
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| 12:52.50 | jetscreamer | wharf: ln -sn /dev/hdc /dev/dvd |
| 12:53.09 | wharf | ok |
| 12:53.10 | jetscreamer | wiat wharf |
| 12:53.13 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 12:53.13 | POVaddct | mount --bind rocks |
| 12:53.15 | ttick | directhex|work: this is a very good way of using the nvidia drivers in a debian way: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/debian.html |
| 12:53.19 | Ugly_Duck | directhex|work: not do sound dumb.. but is that true? |
| 12:53.27 | jetscreamer | wharf how many cdrom/dvd drives do you have |
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| 12:53.35 | directhex|work | Ugly_Duck, is *what* true? |
| 12:53.41 | Ugly_Duck | the onliner? |
| 12:53.43 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, sorry about that...it says 1 of 4 hunks failed. |
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| 12:53.55 | directhex|work | ttick, you'll find i don't need to be educated on the topic |
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| 12:54.24 | jetscreamer | wharf: do you have a cdrom and a dvd, or just one combo |
| 12:54.42 | Daurnimator | bbn |
| 12:54.46 | Daurnimator | nbb |
| 12:54.49 | ethics | mosty:: im thinking theres another way to do it but you could just script...smbfs or smbclient does mounting differently |
| 12:54.49 | Daurnimator | whatever |
| 12:54.50 | ttick | directhex|work: oh, wasn't sure you knew about it. Appologies. Just thought you might have "dpkg" offer an alternative to the nvidia-installer. |
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| 12:55.07 | directhex|work | !tell ttick about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:55.13 | mosty | ethics: no matter, i have it working already. thanks anyway |
| 12:55.26 | jetscreamer | wharf: i need to go soon you better answer faster :) |
| 12:55.33 | ethics | mosty, that could be the symlink method your looking to replace...i tend to not use samba much nowadadys |
| 12:55.44 | directhex|work | chaps0063, it did? hm, it shouldn't say that... :/ |
| 12:55.52 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, :/ |
| 12:55.55 | directhex|work | chaps0063, do you know which hunk failed? |
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| 12:56.01 | chaps0063 | hunk 3 |
| 12:56.19 | ttick | directhex|work: ah, looks similar. the URL I posted also uses module-assistant. prolly in a similar fashion. Cool. Thanks. |
| 12:56.22 | Ugly_Duck | i shouldn't mess with this now.. gotta goto bed.. nite ppl |
| 12:56.22 | directhex|work | chaps0063, join #flood |
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| 12:56.58 | ethics | ttick..method 2 normally |
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| 12:57.56 | ttick | ethics: yes, I found the URL doc very helpful for nvidia inclusion. It's well written and easy to understand. Only reason I suggested it. :) |
| 12:57.57 | jetscreamer | wharf: you need to make sure that your dvd player is on hdc. i assumed it was the same as the cdrom. if it isn't, rm /dev/dvd and redo the ln -=sn one with /dev/hdd or whereever your dvd is |
| 12:58.01 | mosty | ethics: my problem was that inside a samba share, i had some symlinks that pointed outside the share, but the client could see the symlinks pointing to places outside the share, which only existed on the server and where therefore unreachable. i have mount --bind working in a way that avoids the problem now |
| 12:58.07 | jetscreamer | gtg |
| 12:58.48 | cdc | is it possibe to install Gnome 2.10 in Debian Sarge? |
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| 12:59.39 | stouset | cdc: Yes |
| 12:59.44 | ethics | cdc yes it is but then you wont be runnign sarge...are you ok with that? |
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| 13:01.04 | ethics | mosty, cool that makes better sense to me hehe glad the --bind worked |
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| 13:01.17 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 13:01.18 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
| 13:01.21 | mosty | solved at a lower level :) |
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| 13:01.37 | Wharf2 | Sorry pinged out |
| 13:01.51 | Wharf2 | WHen you told me to wait i pinged out then |
| 13:01.56 | jetscreamer | wharf: you need to make sure that your dvd player is on hdc. i assumed it was the same as the cdrom. if it isn't, rm /dev/dvd and redo the ln -=sn one with /dev/hdd or whereever your dvd is |
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| 13:02.14 | jetscreamer | wharf: do you have a cdrom and a dvd, or just one combo |
| 13:02.24 | jetscreamer | err Wharf2 |
| 13:02.37 | Wharf2 | It's just a dvd copyer |
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| 13:02.51 | jetscreamer | so you don't have a cdrom also right? |
| 13:02.55 | Wharf2 | No |
| 13:03.01 | Wharf2 | It dose i all |
| 13:03.02 | jetscreamer | ok it's hdc then |
| 13:03.07 | jetscreamer | so that's good |
| 13:03.10 | Wharf2 | What command do i fo |
| 13:03.14 | Wharf2 | do* |
| 13:03.15 | Wharf2 | hehe |
| 13:03.30 | jetscreamer | ls /dev/dvd |
| 13:03.50 | Wharf2 | debian:/home/wharf# ls /dev/dvd |
| 13:03.52 | Wharf2 | /dev/dvd |
| 13:03.58 | Guerin | -l might be of some use |
| 13:04.07 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 13:04.22 | jetscreamer | okie ls -l /dev/dvd (but i just wanted to know it lived) |
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| 13:04.36 | jetscreamer | didn't think typo |
| 13:04.54 | Wharf2 | ok |
| 13:04.58 | egg|new | ty ty po po |
| 13:05.00 | jetscreamer | Wharf2: ls -l /dev/dvd |
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| 13:05.18 | Wharf2 | I did that before |
| 13:05.20 | Wharf2 | Just now |
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| 13:05.28 | jetscreamer | it points at hdc? ok |
| 13:05.31 | KimHansen | Wharf2: grep '' /proc/ide/*/*/model |
| 13:05.38 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 13:05.45 | Wharf2 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2005-06-08 14:53 /dev/dvd -> /dev/hdc |
| 13:05.48 | Wharf2 | I think thats a yes |
| 13:05.50 | Wharf2 | :S |
| 13:06.04 | jetscreamer | do the KimHansen thing |
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| 13:06.11 | jetscreamer | just for shits |
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| 13:06.48 | Wharf2 | /proc/ide/ide1/hdc/model:_NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A |
| 13:06.48 | Wharf2 | /proc/ide/ide1/hdd/model:Maxtor 2F040J0 |
| 13:07.02 | jetscreamer | Wharf2: ok good. now, did you add marillat to your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:07.19 | Wharf2 | Whats that? |
| 13:07.21 | Wharf2 | lol |
| 13:07.24 | jetscreamer | you were told |
| 13:07.27 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 13:07.29 | Wharf2 | Ouch |
| 13:07.32 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 13:07.32 | dpkg | marillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 13:08.10 | Wharf2 | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main ? |
| 13:08.11 | jetscreamer | Wharf2: after you do that, you need to install libdvdcss2 and w32codecs |
| 13:08.16 | jetscreamer | stable |
| 13:08.19 | jetscreamer | not testing |
| 13:08.28 | jetscreamer | unless you're staying with etch |
| 13:08.28 | Wharf2 | My os is testing i thin |
| 13:08.29 | Wharf2 | k |
| 13:08.39 | KimHansen | I hate abusing grep like that to show which file a line is from, is there a better way to get that? |
| 13:08.40 | jetscreamer | for sarge, you put stable |
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| 13:09.06 | redfoxx | Hi. I would like to install Debian from a fedora system with debootstrap (section C.4 of the installation manual). After successfuly switching to the Debian chroot, I have to do "base-config new" but it says "openpty failed" and "Terminated". Does anyone has any idea to solve this problem? |
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| 13:09.19 | chaps0063 | !info recompile |
| 13:09.29 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 13:09.30 | dpkg | kp is probably To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 13:09.31 | lawnchair | chaps0063, im a ninja |
| 13:09.46 | chaps0063 | lawnchair, huh? |
| 13:09.52 | wigwam | redfoxx: mount a /proc to your chroot. |
| 13:09.59 | jetscreamer | chaps0063: !info is for a package description |
| 13:10.00 | Wharf2 | How do i give my self write access to the file |
| 13:10.02 | Wharf2 | to add it |
| 13:10.06 | chaps0063 | jetscreamer, ic. |
| 13:10.29 | jetscreamer | Wharf2: su , since you're probably not set up for sudo yet |
| 13:10.39 | jetscreamer | su wil log you in as root |
| 13:10.57 | jaakko_ | hello, i'm trying to install beatrix... does anybody have an idea why cfdisk is telling me that i don't have permission to write to the harddisk which i just had emptied with gparted... |
| 13:11.13 | jetscreamer | and/or adduser user sudo, and edit /etc/sudoers iirc |
| 13:11.19 | Wharf2 | How do i get in to the hdd dev? |
| 13:11.24 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 13:11.25 | Wharf2 | like c: in windows |
| 13:11.33 | PerfDave | jaakko_: What is beatrix? |
| 13:11.39 | jetscreamer | ah. you have to mount stuff |
| 13:11.46 | jetscreamer | man 5 mount or so |
| 13:11.49 | jetscreamer | man mount |
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| 13:11.53 | sh4dowcat | mount /dev/hdc /mnt/porn |
| 13:11.54 | jetscreamer | but don't mount men |
| 13:12.02 | redfoxx | wigwam: already done: mount -t proc proc /proc in the chrooted environment... |
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| 13:12.08 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: There's nothing wrng with mounting men. |
| 13:12.24 | jetscreamer | PerfDave: true, but it's not my cuppa |
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| 13:12.28 | jaakko_ | PerfDave: www.watsky.net |
| 13:12.28 | Coke | Wharf2: C: is not a device. in fact, Windows does not share GNU's device model at all. |
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| 13:12.39 | sh4dowcat | C is a drive letter |
| 13:12.42 | jetscreamer | yeah, there is no c |
| 13:12.44 | ethics | sh4dowcat, you rooted my box and pasted my bash logs? |
| 13:12.47 | Wharf2 | c: was an e.g. |
| 13:12.56 | Wharf2 | How would i access it in linux |
| 13:12.59 | Wharf2 | using the consol |
| 13:13.02 | wigwam | redfoxx: dunno then. Maybe you could try to mount a devfs to /dev - but I don't believe this will help... |
| 13:13.04 | sh4dowcat | ethics: ya something like that :P |
| 13:13.06 | Coke | Wharf2: there's no C so you can't |
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| 13:13.10 | jetscreamer | however, c:\ is really an alias in windows afaict, it recognizes that /dev/lun shit |
| 13:13.17 | Coke | Wharf2: you need to learn how partitions and devices work under GNU |
| 13:13.21 | Wharf2 | Coke: :P I said that was an example |
| 13:13.27 | sh4dowcat | C is probably /dev/hda |
| 13:13.28 | sh4dowcat | err |
| 13:13.30 | sh4dowcat | /dev/hda1 |
| 13:13.39 | Wharf2 | ty |
| 13:13.40 | Wharf2 | lol |
| 13:13.41 | Coke | sh4dowcat: no |
| 13:13.41 | jetscreamer | Wharf2: less /etc/fstab, see if you have a line for mounting /dev/hda1 |
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| 13:13.53 | sh4dowcat | Coke: I said probably |
| 13:13.59 | jetscreamer | it's probably already mounted under /mnt somewhere |
| 13:14.08 | Coke | sh4dowcat: not if you use logical partitions, it would be /dev/hda5. and that's ASSUMING that the person is using an IDE/ATA disk on the first IDE channel |
| 13:14.11 | redfoxx | wigwam: ok thanks, I will try with devfs... |
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| 13:14.28 | jetscreamer | but hey Wharf2 i gtg but i told you all you need i think, and these pl know more than me g'luck |
| 13:14.30 | asfa | hi to all |
| 13:14.32 | Coke | sh4dowcat: better not to confuse windows users by using their terminology, better they learn the right way |
| 13:14.38 | asfa | i just installed debian sarge |
| 13:14.45 | Wharf2 | Mount point is just |
| 13:14.45 | asfa | but kppp not work |
| 13:14.48 | Wharf2 | / |
| 13:14.57 | ethics | jetscreamer, msdos legacy left c: etc...nt tech made diskadministrator more like a gui mount with locke names ie choose drive letter.... |
| 13:15.01 | sh4dowcat | sigh |
| 13:15.11 | asfa | when i try to connect it return exit status 1 ? |
| 13:15.14 | asfa | why ? |
| 13:15.49 | Coke | using newlines instead of punctuation |
| 13:15.59 | jetscreamer | yeah you can mount parts under dirs w/w32 now |
| 13:16.11 | ethics | !enter |
| 13:16.11 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help. |
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| 13:16.35 | Coke | !enter the dragon |
| 13:16.54 | asfa | i dont understand |
| 13:17.12 | Wharf2 | debian:/etc/apt# ./sources.list |
| 13:17.12 | Wharf2 | bash: ./sources.list: Permission denied |
| 13:17.14 | PerfDave | jaakko_: So why are you asking about installing beatrix on #debian? |
| 13:17.33 | pureone | :| |
| 13:17.37 | petemc | Wharf2: step away from the computer |
| 13:17.42 | pureone | haha |
| 13:17.49 | Coke | Wharf2: it can't be executed |
| 13:17.57 | Wharf2 | petemc: Im a newbie :P |
| 13:17.58 | Coke | Wharf2: nor should it be |
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| 13:18.21 | petemc | Wharf2: lesson #1 , dont make assumptions |
| 13:18.21 | Coke | Wharf2: do you have any books on GNU systems? |
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| 13:18.40 | cypenguin | hi |
| 13:18.50 | asfa | help me please |
| 13:18.50 | jaakko_ | PerfDave: There is nobody at #beatrix |
| 13:18.57 | ethics | wharf2 dont worry about them we all started somewhere ... |
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| 13:19.10 | cypenguin | i need some help with apache 1.3 and suexec... anybody? (im running debian testing) |
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| 13:19.14 | Wharf2 | No, i have learned oads of new things on linux in the pas week tho, and still am learning, managed to get an ircd running on linux :D |
| 13:19.18 | Wharf2 | Progress |
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| 13:19.29 | Coke | Wharf2: because using us to spoon feed you the most basic information is very inefficient. instead of spending two hours here you can obtain vast amounts of information in an hour by reading the "getting started" tutorials. |
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| 13:19.35 | ethics | asfa: kppp issues? im not very familiar but i may help a little.... does the modem actually attempt to dial? |
| 13:19.38 | hawkeey | how did I figure which packages are installed from which distribution? |
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| 13:19.50 | bobwJek | hey guys |
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| 13:19.59 | theD3viL | For nvidia drivers i just install nvidia-glx? |
| 13:20.04 | beardy | Wharf2: /msg dpkg reference |
| 13:20.07 | hawkeey | for example, I want to pin down all my unstable packages so they will come from testing |
| 13:20.09 | drac | theD3viL: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 13:20.14 | bobwJek | how can i upgrade my sarge to kernel 2.6 |
| 13:20.15 | theD3viL | drac: tnx |
| 13:20.16 | ethics | hawkeey, its not an easy thing from what i hear... |
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| 13:20.26 | Wharf2 | Coke: the books go on for ages, I don't think it would show me how set half the things up i'm trying to set |
| 13:20.38 | Coke | Wharf2: http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html |
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| 13:20.43 | bobwJek | off the netinst it's 2.4.27 |
| 13:20.51 | MaRcIo | what's the easiest linux distro? |
| 13:20.55 | Wharf2 | Please don't use the phraze spoon feed, it's kinda insulting, lol |
| 13:21.00 | hawkeey | ok, maybe I'll just take the unstable sources out of my source file and see what happens |
| 13:21.05 | xerxes1358 | Any of you guys installed Lyx here? |
| 13:21.05 | redfoxx | wigwam: mount -t devfs none /dev --> unknow filesystem type 'devfs' :( |
| 13:21.12 | Wharf2 | MaRcIo: suse is a good start |
| 13:21.17 | beardy | MaRcIo: What do you think you will get as answer when you are in this channel? |
| 13:21.18 | Coke | Wharf2: this is very useful too; http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/index.html |
| 13:21.20 | ethics | !tell theD3viL about nvidia-howto |
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| 13:21.29 | IDC | I need help please |
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| 13:21.40 | ethics | hawkeey, dont do the downgrade...just look what it want to remove |
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| 13:21.43 | MaRcIo | <beardy> suse |
| 13:21.45 | IDC | I need a file named libstdc++.so.5,would anyone send it to me ? |
| 13:21.46 | Coke | Wharf2: but we ARE spoon feeding you the information. "type this and that and do so ..." |
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| 13:21.50 | beardy | MaRcIo: no |
| 13:21.52 | jm_ | IDC: no |
| 13:21.58 | ethics | hawkeey, you cannoot downgrade you need to reinstall if you want to |
| 13:21.59 | nicomen | where can I download sarge netinst iso? |
| 13:22.06 | MaRcIo | yes |
| 13:22.06 | IDC | jm_, why not ? |
| 13:22.16 | jm_ | IDC: "/msg dpkg search" and install it |
| 13:22.18 | directhex|work | bobwJek, aptitude install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 13:22.19 | takatumi | nicomen: debian.org |
| 13:22.20 | hawkeey | ethics, what do you mean I cannot downgrade |
| 13:22.21 | MaRcIo | debian is not the easiest at all |
| 13:22.24 | Wharf2 | Erm, bu i don't think it would tell me how to obtain plugins for xine |
| 13:22.25 | wigwam | redfoxx: that's bad. Somehow base-config can't find a tty for you. This is usually because it can't connect to /proc (inside the chroot-Jail) or it can't find out which tty you are using. Maybe someone here can tell how to route the tty to your standard in/out? |
| 13:22.25 | Wharf2 | :P |
| 13:22.25 | hawkeey | ehtics, of course I can downgrade |
| 13:22.26 | IDC | ok |
| 13:22.27 | liquide | hmm.. i get a 404 on non-us and security when i do apt-get update on a testing machine.. been like this since yesterday, anyone know why? |
| 13:22.28 | directhex|work | bobwJek, or install with the "linux26" boot: option |
| 13:22.30 | Coke | Wharf2: for our help to be really efficient you need to know the basic things about POSIX systems, GNU and Linux. like how partitions work and how to do basic operations on files, i.e read, copy, delete, etc. |
| 13:22.33 | takatumi | MaRcIo: says you. |
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| 13:22.35 | directhex|work | !non-us |
| 13:22.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 13:22.41 | hawkeey | MaRclo, I've found that debian is the easiest in the long run |
| 13:22.46 | beardy | Wharf2: if you are not willing to learn, stick to what you are using now |
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| 13:22.52 | MaRcIo | i mean in the short run |
| 13:22.57 | MaRcIo | at first impact |
| 13:23.01 | Wharf2 | I have manages to edit files via the consol before, i forgot how to |
| 13:23.02 | hawkeey | MaRclo, if you take the time to understand it, it's very easy |
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| 13:23.08 | Wharf2 | Even tho it was only a week ago |
| 13:23.18 | Coke | Wharf2: well, relearn. but do that first before doing the more advanced stuff |
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| 13:23.27 | hawkeey | MaRclo, sure I don't think we have the coolest desktop in the world, but it works and it's flexible and maintainable |
| 13:23.29 | MaRcIo | i need a distro ready to be used |
| 13:23.35 | pureone | took me a while to get used to vim |
| 13:23.44 | kevinz | Hello, in the past I installed sun's j2sdk manually without using java-package, so now I found that there are better ways for installing java, so is it best to download the package from sun and mpkg it, as told by "dpkg"? |
| 13:23.46 | hawkeey | MaRclo, it is ready to be used... have you tried to install Debian? |
| 13:23.46 | Wharf2 | Can't you just give me the syntax to open it? |
| 13:23.46 | Wharf2 | lol |
| 13:23.46 | bobwJek | directhex thanks, i am not familure with the linux26 boot option though |
| 13:23.49 | Coke | oh. someone got used to vim. |
| 13:23.54 | quitte_ | MaRcIo: try ubuntu |
| 13:23.59 | Coke | Wharf2: no, that's spoon feeding |
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| 13:24.07 | wigwam | kevinz: packaging is good. Do it. |
| 13:24.08 | Wharf2 | Coke: thats tight |
| 13:24.11 | hawkeey | MaRclo, you literally have to just push enter a bunch of times with the new debian-installer |
| 13:24.17 | MaRcIo | of course i tried and i had to fight with the terminal just to connect to internet |
| 13:24.26 | kevinz | wigwam: oh, so how can i remove the previous version I installed manually? |
| 13:24.30 | Coke | Wharf2: and instructions from us will take page after page of text because you don't have the basic knowledge required to run Debian successfully. |
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| 13:24.47 | nicomen | takatumi: debian.org > CD ISO Images -> Fetch full images -> net_install -> i386 -> i386 -> iso-cd -> debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso -> hey now it worked, it seems the mirror ftp.sunet.se doesn't have it, now it used another mirror |
| 13:24.52 | Wharf2 | Erm |
| 13:24.56 | wigwam | kevinz: hmm - ;) That's why packaging is good ;) Sorry - I don't know. Maybe the executable from sun has some options? |
| 13:25.00 | Dr_O | MaRcIo: you tried "sarge" Debian 3.1 ? |
| 13:25.08 | takatumi | nicomen: enjoy. |
| 13:25.12 | hawkeey | MaRclo, were you able to connect to the internet during install, seriously "sarge" should have taken care of everything |
| 13:25.14 | Wharf2 | Any helpers awilling to help? |
| 13:25.17 | CyberScript30 | hi guys, I trying to configure my video card ProSavage KM133 on Sarge and doent´s work, I already try possible options and nothing, please, help me |
| 13:25.19 | kevinz | wigwam: oh my god, thanks |
| 13:25.38 | MaRcIo | does sarge recognize all the hardware? |
| 13:25.41 | Coke | Wharf2: you really don't want to learn about the system? |
| 13:25.45 | nicomen | takatumi: thanks, consider that as a sunet.se not updated bug report ;) |
| 13:25.48 | hawkeey | Wharf2: you're trying to install xine plugins? |
| 13:26.03 | hawkeey | Wharf2: are they in the debian repository... probably not |
| 13:26.13 | Coke | MaRcIo: "all hardware"? |
| 13:26.21 | MaRcIo | modem,printer.. |
| 13:26.33 | takatumi | nicomen: file one if it persists. :) |
| 13:26.35 | MaRcIo | videocard |
| 13:26.37 | kevinz | My java and javac are gij and gcj, can i just install sun's j2sdk to replace them? |
| 13:26.40 | Coke | MaRcIo: no, Debian does not support all hardware that exists or ever existed. |
| 13:26.41 | Wharf2 | Duno, i'm tryiong to add a line to my sources list |
| 13:26.48 | liquide | !security |
| 13:26.48 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 13:26.49 | wigwam | Wharf2: Linux (as well as all *nix-OS) depend on some principles which are very low-level. You *have* to learn them if you want to understand even the smallest things in the system. It will take about 4 weeks spare-time to learn the most important things. Do it or uninstall it - no other way. |
| 13:26.50 | Wharf2 | forgot hw to open an editor |
| 13:26.55 | Wharf2 | how* |
| 13:26.56 | Coke | Wharf2: if you knew how to work with an editor you would be able to do it |
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| 13:27.06 | nicomen | http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso -> 404 |
| 13:27.16 | Dr_O | MaRcIo: sarge does a decent job for most people's hardware |
| 13:27.17 | Wharf2 | Coke: I forgot the syntax |
| 13:27.17 | MaRcIo | i need a distro thats as easy as knoppix |
| 13:27.17 | Wharf2 | :P |
| 13:27.18 | Wharf2 | lol |
| 13:27.22 | Coke | Wharf2: there are many editors, you just need to read about them, how they work and then select one that you think suits your needs and install it |
| 13:27.32 | hawkeey | Wharf2: so try stuff like "man xine" or read the docs |
| 13:27.34 | Coke | Wharf2: there isn't ONE syntax to do it. there are dozens of editors. |
| 13:27.35 | Wharf2 | I allreadyhave one |
| 13:27.38 | Wharf2 | have* |
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| 13:27.48 | hawkeey | Wharf2: I believe you just download it off the web and store it somewhere |
| 13:28.00 | j_k | Wharf2: then 'man editor'. |
| 13:28.06 | hawkeey | use the xine gui to load it |
| 13:28.09 | Wharf2 | I know how many commands are involved in adding a line to the source list as i have done it before. |
| 13:28.10 | Wharf2 | lol |
| 13:28.19 | ethics | Wharf2, have you used dos before or just windows? |
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| 13:28.34 | Wharf2 | Windows and dos, :S |
| 13:28.41 | nicomen | it seems an "a" has sneaked ni in the links at cdimages.debian.org |
| 13:28.49 | j_k | Wharf2: you don't even need an editor to do that. |
| 13:29.13 | ethics | wharf2 used the old edit program before? |
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| 13:29.23 | j_k | nicomen: first images were buggy. |
| 13:29.24 | Wharf2 | What one? |
| 13:29.35 | Wharf2 | Never hered of old edit |
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| 13:29.42 | ethics | wharf2: edit.com |
| 13:29.48 | Wharf2 | I think so |
| 13:29.53 | Wharf2 | Shounds familia |
| 13:29.58 | Wharf2 | sounds* |
| 13:30.04 | Wharf2 | Excuse my typing |
| 13:30.11 | hawkeey | Wharf2: you want to add something to /etc/apt/sources.list? Try "editor /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 13:30.24 | j_k | Wharf2: go for nano if you need an editor right now, but you should invest time to learn something more efficient. |
| 13:30.39 | ethics | wharf2 well if you can remember how to drive that the closes is probably called nano |
| 13:30.43 | Wharf2 | I think nano i used last time |
| 13:31.16 | hawkeey | oh I get what he wants |
| 13:31.27 | ethics | wharf2 do you understand the concept of root and users? |
| 13:31.27 | hawkeey | he wants the debconf thing where you can pick your mirror maybe? |
| 13:31.35 | Wharf2 | Yes |
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| 13:31.49 | ethics | hawkeey: its the windows to linux 101 book 8) |
| 13:31.54 | PerfDave | hawkeey: apt-setup |
| 13:32.06 | ethics | hawkeey marrilat sources adding |
| 13:32.16 | pureone | wharf2 you use a modem ? |
| 13:32.26 | ethics | its not official |
| 13:32.27 | Wharf2 | Yea |
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| 13:32.36 | pureone | how did you get it online with debian? |
| 13:32.46 | Wharf2 | Using amodem |
| 13:32.49 | Wharf2 | a modem* |
| 13:32.50 | pureone | :| |
| 13:33.07 | Wharf2 | Did wvdial |
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| 13:33.09 | pureone | i mean how did you config the modem to get it on |
| 13:33.09 | Wharf2 | and set it |
| 13:33.10 | ethics | nicomen the a versions not much different just a few small things which tormented the chatroom heh |
| 13:33.12 | pureone | ok cool |
| 13:33.36 | nicomen | ethics: sure, but that's the link I got from cdimages.debian.org |
| 13:33.50 | pureone | i got a friend on the same isp his had trouble getting it online |
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| 13:33.57 | Wharf2 | Ok, got nano open :) |
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| 13:34.22 | hawkeey | Wharf2: ok, so I thing this is what you want: "su root apt-setup" |
| 13:34.30 | drasko | where are the metacity config files? |
| 13:34.48 | ethics | nicomen, oh the website hasnt updated ? |
| 13:35.00 | ethics | nicomen: or it only just has? |
| 13:35.02 | nicomen | ethics: I don't know, I'm not running it |
| 13:35.24 | nicomen | I just got a sweden mirror to click on when choosing the netinst iso for i386 sarge (31.r0) |
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| 13:35.44 | nicomen | and it was 404, and I found something on the same mirror without the a |
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| 13:36.09 | nicomen | kbye |
| 13:36.10 | Whoppix27 | hola |
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| 13:36.14 | ethics | nicomen oh i c...cool well some of the versions are somwhat elusive link wise atm....ppc net installer, dvd images etc |
| 13:36.25 | Wharf2 | ok chainged the sources list and saved, will i need to do an update my apt list? |
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| 13:36.31 | Wharf2 | to* |
| 13:36.33 | ethics | nicomen, we know they are around but we just dont know where they came from hehe to tell others |
| 13:36.49 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 13:36.50 | ethics | wharf2 yep |
| 13:37.25 | freewoody | How do I configure PPPoE in Debian ? |
| 13:37.33 | Wharf2 | ok |
| 13:37.35 | Wharf2 | Updating |
| 13:37.42 | Wharf2 | DOne |
| 13:37.43 | Wharf2 | :) |
| 13:37.44 | ethics | wharf2 you need to do it whenever you want soemthing normally...if nothing changed it wont redownload |
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| 13:37.53 | jm_ | freewoody: try pppoeconf |
| 13:37.55 | Wharf2 | Ok |
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| 13:38.01 | bobwJek | how do i search a channel in X-chat? |
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| 13:38.16 | Wharf2 | The 2 files i was asked to get i have lost |
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| 13:38.25 | Wharf2 | This client done keep to much text |
| 13:38.28 | roam | How long will there be security updates for woody? |
| 13:38.36 | Dr_O | 1 yeay |
| 13:38.38 | Dr_O | 1 year |
| 13:38.39 | Wharf2 | Can't scrole to hi |
| 13:38.49 | rob^ | how can I force apt-get to overwrite files contained in another package? |
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| 13:38.57 | ethics | bobwJek, umm window channel list you mean? |
| 13:39.21 | freewoody | Can somebody point me to a good site which has information of building a PPPoE Server using Debian |
| 13:39.26 | ethics | w32codecs libdvdcss2 |
| 13:39.32 | directhex|work | rob^, you should never get into a situation where you need to |
| 13:39.33 | Wharf2 | ty Ether_Man_ |
| 13:39.36 | ethics | wharf2 ^^^^ |
| 13:39.37 | Wharf2 | ethics: |
| 13:39.38 | Wharf2 | lol |
| 13:39.41 | rob^ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-6.1_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 13:39.42 | rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:39.59 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! |
| 13:40.12 | bobwJek | ethics, yea i know i can do a "/list" and find all channels, but i want to find some channels about info security, debian security, etc..... |
| 13:40.49 | ethics | theres a filter there you can apply with say securiity in the topic? |
| 13:41.01 | Gathond | rob^ you should really report that as a bug in one of the packages, I would suspect the realplay |
| 13:41.06 | Dr_O | ! tell roam about oldstable security |
| 13:41.15 | rob^ | Gathond, ok |
| 13:41.17 | bobwJek | ethics, how do i apply a filter? |
| 13:41.21 | Wharf2 | Aftern thay are downloaded should xine play a vd? |
| 13:41.26 | Wharf2 | dvd* |
| 13:41.31 | Wharf2 | -n |
| 13:41.46 | Zero_Kelvin | wigwam: jm_: Allow me for the moment to slip into the common internet vernacular and say "L1nuX is teh RoX0r dud3s!!1!". :) Initrd free boot of my system with all systems (pistons) firing. |
| 13:42.06 | ethics | bobwJek, regex match put in security& and hit apply maybee? |
| 13:42.19 | ethics | or security& |
| 13:42.20 | wigwam | ;) |
| 13:42.25 | ethics | or security* |
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| 13:42.33 | Belboz99 | Hey all |
| 13:42.53 | Wharf2 | ethics: WOuld you think theres anything else to it after the files are downloaded? |
| 13:42.57 | Belboz99 | quick question, what file do I edit to tell an application to load on boot as a service? |
| 13:43.11 | jm_ | Zero_Kelvin: indeed, it's much easier if you can avoid it |
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| 13:43.18 | KimHansen | What a stupid bug syslog-ng is having in Sarge :( #298022 |
| 13:43.26 | ethics | wharf2 you already had xine yah? |
| 13:43.40 | Wharf2 | Yes |
| 13:43.56 | Wharf2 | Well, not long downloaded it |
| 13:43.57 | ethics | wharf2 you should be able to play most things now...realplayer and quicktime may not work but thats partially their fault |
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| 13:44.13 | Wharf2 | Cool |
| 13:44.21 | Wharf2 | brb, |
| 13:44.23 | Dr_O | KimHansen: Yes! |
| 13:44.38 | resiak | bobwJek: /msg chanserv help |
| 13:44.45 | ethics | wharf2: if you need realplayer and quicktime then others may know how but i just never get them in that format |
| 13:44.55 | Belboz99 | I'm trying to start FAH as a service on boot, how do I go about that? |
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| 13:45.05 | bobwJek | ethics, when i type " /list security*" i stil get nothing |
| 13:45.08 | peritus | KimHansen: is it the message about KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE and CONSOLE_LOG_LEVEL? |
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| 13:45.25 | Belboz99 | the guide I was following was based off Redhat/Fedora and says to use rc.local |
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| 13:45.39 | Dr_O | peritus: yep KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE and CONSOLE_LOG_LEVEL? |
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| 13:45.56 | peritus | Dr_O: yeah, i keep getting that when i start syslog-ng |
| 13:45.57 | ethics | bobwjex theres a window for it but /msg chanserv help may offer more |
| 13:45.59 | KimHansen | peritus: No, it is what happens when you set KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE in the config-file |
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| 13:46.21 | peritus | KimHansen: ah |
| 13:46.22 | peritus | heh |
| 13:46.31 | eps | what is the best way to setup extra mouse buttons in debian... I'm hoping for an easy apt-get install, all I want is left and right side buttons going backwards and forwards in mozilla and pushing down on the scroll wheel activating directional scroll. though I will settle for working side buttons |
| 13:46.50 | peritus | KimHansen: ehh.. in /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf |
| 13:46.53 | peritus | ? |
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| 13:47.08 | KimHansen | in /etc/default/syslog-ng |
| 13:47.31 | peritus | its commented |
| 13:47.50 | peritus | maybe i should uncomment it? |
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| 13:48.00 | KimHansen | Try, and be amazed :) |
| 13:48.05 | PowerCookie | Hallo |
| 13:48.27 | PowerCookie | Spricht man hier auch deutsch? |
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| 13:48.31 | bob2 | no |
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| 13:48.40 | PowerCookie | oh shit ;) |
| 13:48.46 | PowerCookie | ok |
| 13:49.01 | rhalff | midnight commander question again, what does 'update' actually do when copying over existing files ? |
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| 13:49.15 | ethics | hmm etch upgrade looks a little annoying |
| 13:49.23 | rhalff | Im using mc on debian :p |
| 13:49.32 | eps | so no advise for mouse? |
| 13:49.32 | KimHansen | rhalff: copy is source is newer that destination? |
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| 13:49.36 | ethics | how dar it force me to change my kernel image |
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| 13:49.51 | PowerCookie | I have 3.1r0 installed - where i can config while i like to startx Gnome ore KDE? |
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| 13:50.04 | rhalff | KimHansen, yes or will it compare if the files are the same :) I hoped that. |
| 13:50.06 | |dennis| | question: I am downloading the dvd iso using wget...i have downlaoded 40mb already and wget is reporting to have downlaoded 10%. It did the same thing yesterday. if 10% = 40 then 100% = 400 which cannot be correct. Any ideas? i use "wget -cb" |
| 13:50.13 | ledet | eps: kernel 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 13:50.23 | bob2 | |dennis|: what url? |
| 13:50.25 | Zero_Kelvin | See ya's later. |
| 13:50.26 | ethics | powercookie insta GDM or KDM .. |
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| 13:50.45 | PowerCookie | where can i do it? |
| 13:50.46 | gahan | is it possible to increase a volume in mp3 file? not using mixer, xmms .. but for the file so it will stay louder foreevr :-) |
| 13:50.49 | KimHansen | rhalff: I would expect it to do the same as 'cp --update' |
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| 13:50.55 | |dennis| | bob2: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso and http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-2.iso |
| 13:51.18 | pingouin_ | gahan: normalize-mp3 ? |
| 13:51.19 | eps | ledet 2.6 |
| 13:51.42 | KimHansen | peritus: Did you uncomment and try to stop and start syslog-ng? |
| 13:51.49 | ledet | eps: usb mouse? |
| 13:51.50 | eps | ledet I want a program that will help me map extra mouse buttons, or just add the function of forward and back to my two side buttons |
| 13:51.52 | eps | ledet yes |
| 13:52.01 | peritus | KimHansen: it has always been commented |
| 13:52.09 | rhalff | KimHansen, ok thanks. |
| 13:52.17 | zulkifar | Hi. I need a tool which can download browseable local copy of web site. I searched in apt-cache and found two programs: wwwoffle and (web)httrack. Any ideas from what to start? :) |
| 13:52.17 | ethics | PowerCookie, using apt-get and apt-cache....if your new read the man pages ..we will help but please try and gain knowlege also repeat questions hurt |
| 13:52.18 | peritus | i uncommented it and got dmesg in the console when i restarted syslog-ng |
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| 13:52.22 | lobz | hi, are there any sun j2sdk packages for sarge? version 1.4.x |
| 13:52.32 | gahan | pingouin_: is that an app? |
| 13:52.33 | eps | zulkifar wget? |
| 13:52.35 | PerfDave | lobz: /msg dpkg java |
| 13:52.37 | ledet | eps: which kernel modules are loaded to handle the mouse? |
| 13:52.42 | ledet | eps: and which mouse is it? |
| 13:52.52 | KimHansen | peritus: Yep, that was the stupid bug I was talking about... |
| 13:53.08 | peritus | KimHansen: will that be fixed in sarge? |
| 13:53.14 | zulkifar | eps: really? well.. sure wget then :) |
| 13:53.23 | pingouin_ | gahan: apt-cache search normalize should give you an answer no ? |
| 13:53.30 | PowerCookie | How can I install GDM or KDM by the commandshell 7 bash? |
| 13:53.31 | eps | psmouse, mousedev (lsmod|grep mouse) - and it is a razer diamondback - I know the two side buttons do some thing as they do weird things in firefox, but not what I want :P |
| 13:53.38 | eps | ledet |
| 13:53.39 | PowerCookie | How can I install GDM or KDM by the commandshell / bash? |
| 13:53.46 | adobbie | apt-get install gdm |
| 13:53.50 | Belboz99 | alright guys, this is driving me nuts! How do I load a service on boot? Why is there no rc.d file? |
| 13:53.51 | gahan | pingouin_: it did, thx |
| 13:53.57 | PowerCookie | thx! |
| 13:54.07 | ledet | eps: and you have usbhid loadet? |
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| 13:54.11 | |dennis| | bob2: and when i use the bt files......it says rejected by tracker. requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker |
| 13:54.29 | bob2 | |dennis|: that's odd |
| 13:54.34 | eps | yes ledet |
| 13:54.42 | PowerCookie | I'm fly away, cu... :-) |
| 13:55.02 | pingouin_ | is the debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso enought to install the new sarge ? |
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| 13:55.16 | peritus | pingouin_: yes |
| 13:55.20 | pingouin_ | as for woody |
| 13:55.23 | pingouin_ | peritus: thx |
| 13:55.25 | eps | new sarge? old sarge... :| |
| 13:55.34 | eps | what is the new testing going to be btw? |
| 13:55.39 | ledet | eps: which X module are you using to control the mouse? and which mouse is it? and does xev get mouse button events? |
| 13:55.39 | KimHansen | peritus: I don't know how bugs in Sarge will be fixed now. I just edited /etc/init.d/syslog-ng and fixed it myself |
| 13:55.42 | peritus | pingouin_: you can use netinst if you like too |
| 13:55.56 | lobz | PerfDave: thx |
| 13:56.02 | ethics | eps etch |
| 13:56.02 | peritus | KimHansen: okey, would you like to share your /etc/init.d/syslog-ng? |
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| 13:56.32 | ethics | eps: new one is etch and its started alreay as of a few hours ago |
| 13:56.32 | pingouin_ | peritus: i rather keep cd or dvd for moving with it, i dont know i i'll always have the internet where i go |
| 13:56.44 | eps | ledet no idea on the x module, though xev gives mouse button events for the two I want to map (the mouse works, I just want to get two buttons to do what I want) - it is a razer diamondback mouse |
| 13:56.53 | eps | ethics ah nice, need to update my sources.list |
| 13:56.57 | Belboz99 | doesn't anyone know how to get an application to load on boot? |
| 13:56.59 | KimHansen | peritus: Just cut out line 28-35 |
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| 13:57.24 | peritus | KimHansen: thanks |
| 13:57.24 | ledet | eps: maybe it can be done with xmodmap perhaps... |
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| 13:57.34 | ethics | eps: 900ish new to testing....my ne is doing 170 packages hehe |
| 13:57.46 | Belboz99 | I'm starting to feel invisible again |
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| 13:58.01 | Ungy | Belboz99, you really need to learn patience |
| 13:58.06 | ethics | Belboz99, what app? |
| 13:58.10 | eps | okay thanks ledet, will check it out, thanks :) |
| 13:58.15 | Galisus | Better? |
| 13:58.16 | Belboz99 | I've been asking for half an hour Ungy |
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| 13:58.25 | Belboz99 | ethics, it's Folding At Home |
| 13:58.26 | Eno_ | does anyone know when etch will be released?? |
| 13:58.27 | Ungy | Belboz99, so what? |
| 13:58.33 | Belboz99 | I already have a scirpt created |
| 13:58.39 | Belboz99 | to load it as a service |
| 13:58.46 | ethics | is it a daemon or a command line ? |
| 13:58.48 | eps | ethics how quickly will testing go to 2.10 for gnome :| sick of 2.8 not having some of the cool features of x.10 ...or does it have to go through sid first |
| 13:58.51 | Belboz99 | I just need to run that scripet on boot |
| 13:58.51 | Ungy | Belboz99, a service? |
| 13:59.00 | Belboz99 | it's command line |
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| 13:59.15 | Belboz99 | yeah Ungy |
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| 13:59.32 | ethics | eps unstable is broken gnome atm because they putting in 2.10...so soonish hehe |
| 13:59.44 | Ungy | Belboz99, at login or when the machine starts? |
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| 13:59.51 | ethics | eps from what went into testing that coulbe anything from 2 days to 1307 days hehehe |
| 13:59.52 | Belboz99 | when the machine starts |
| 14:00.00 | Ungy | man cron |
| 14:00.07 | Belboz99 | or at login, I suppose that would work too |
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| 14:00.18 | Belboz99 | but machine start would be better |
| 14:00.20 | eps | lol ethics, |
| 14:00.21 | sep | Belboz99: man updater-rc.d |
| 14:00.23 | Ungy | Belboz99, look at cron see if that will do what you want |
| 14:00.27 | sep | Belboz99: man update-rc.d |
| 14:00.33 | eps | wait so sid gnome is broken right now? a mate of mine is updating atm :P |
| 14:00.34 | |dennis| | bob2: even when downlaoding with getright.it reports a total size of 379 mb for the dvd iso.. ths link is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso any ideas why the iso is so small? can it be a wrong iso? |
| 14:00.57 | ethics | eps yes its dead |
| 14:01.00 | Ungy | eps really shit I gotta stop my upgrade |
| 14:01.06 | |dennis| | can anybody else confirm this? try begin downloading from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso and see what total size is reported for the dvd iso? |
| 14:01.06 | pingouin_ | what is best ? trying to apt-get dist-upgrade ? (i got some but in apt-listbugs) or re - install with new cd of debian3.1R0a ? |
| 14:01.07 | WiFiTux | hhmm, since I implmented iptables, irc takes longer to connect to the server and I get. Couldn't look up your hostname, is this because I blocked a port that should be open? like port 50 or something for DNS? |
| 14:01.12 | sep | Belboz99: also /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 14:01.36 | ethics | eps other wms np 2.10 is dead librarys gnome panel...all the new gnome filesystem stuff or something was mumbled about 4 hours back |
| 14:01.44 | Ungy | pingouin_, fix your /etc/apt/sources.list file and update dist-upgrade |
| 14:02.06 | petemc | WiFiTux: the hostname thing is reverse dns, likely the delay is caused by you blocking ident |
| 14:02.10 | pingouin_ | |dennis|: i see 4,4 G each for /iso-dvd/ |
| 14:02.20 | eps | thanks for the heads up ethics :) |
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| 14:02.36 | Ungy | WiFiTux, Identd is the cause |
| 14:02.41 | Belboz99 | okay, thanks guys |
| 14:02.47 | Belboz99 | I'll see what I can do from here |
| 14:02.50 | quitte_ | |dennis|: are you out of diskspace, maybe? |
| 14:02.51 | |dennis| | pingouinL yes i see them as 4.4 G each as well but try downloading it and look at the progress bar of it you are using a software that will tell you the total size right away ..check it otu.... |
| 14:02.52 | directhex|work | |dennis|, wget cannot correctlky stat files over 32gb, on 32 bit operating systems |
| 14:03.00 | pingouin_ | Ungy: ok, i've already change sourcelist for sarge when it's entered «frozen» |
| 14:03.07 | directhex|work | |dennis|, presumably other 32 bit software also has the same problem |
| 14:03.08 | ethics | |dennis|, well theres 2 of the so the are like full sp around 4.5 gig? |
| 14:03.10 | |dennis| | and i got lots of diskspace... |
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| 14:03.33 | Ungy | pingouin_, ok so what errors are you getting? |
| 14:03.48 | bernouli | using vim, is there any keyboard-shortcut to search any occurance of the word under the cursor? |
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| 14:04.04 | ethics | directhex|work, heheh so the wget needs a bios upgrade for large haqrd disks tooo lol....kinky |
| 14:04.11 | pingouin_ | Ungy: some apt-listbugs warning about init-rd tools iptables and few others |
| 14:04.32 | directhex|work | ethics, no, you need a 64 bit os. or use bittorrent, which isn't stupid |
| 14:04.33 | |dennis| | and the torrent file don't seem to be working either..for me atleast...i am trying to d/l 3.1r0a |
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| 14:04.48 | pingouin_ | |dennis|: wget give : Longueur: 391,739,392 [application/x-iso9660-image] |
| 14:05.00 | pingouin_ | dont know if that you wanted to read or not |
| 14:05.02 | directhex|work | ethics, or "curl" can do files over 2gb, though is stupid |
| 14:05.03 | ethics | directhex|work, hehe im dialup etch will release before dvds dowwnload hehehe |
| 14:05.13 | WiFiTux | petemc: is there a port I should open there for INPUT? |
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| 14:05.44 | bobwJek | Help, why does this NOT work "/LIST *debi*" |
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| 14:05.58 | ethics | directhex|work, its intresting to see the same quirks on software as hardware....well |
| 14:06.29 | petemc | WiFiTux: 113 is ident |
| 14:06.39 | sparr_ | i have to downgrade my kernel to something older than 2.6.8. The obvious choice is 2.6.7, is there any particular reason i should use another version of 2.6? |
| 14:07.08 | directhex|work | sparr_, what's wrong with 2.6.8? |
| 14:07.11 | |dennis| | pingouin_: 391,739,392 = 370+ mbs.. i think..unless i am getting confused... |
| 14:07.20 | directhex|work | sparr_, you won't have a secure system on an old kernel |
| 14:07.27 | Choubaka | That's a known bug in wget. |
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| 14:07.33 | pingouin_ | |dennis|: i dont know i just past you're url |
| 14:07.38 | Choubaka | it can't download the ISOs |
| 14:07.40 | pingouin_ | in wget |
| 14:07.43 | ethics | sparr_ are you sarge or etch? |
| 14:07.44 | Choubaka | they're too large. |
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| 14:07.56 | pingouin_ | maybe wget is buggy ;) |
| 14:08.01 | pingouin_ | mouhahaha |
| 14:08.02 | directhex|work | |dennis|, are you making a special effort to ignore me? WGET ON 32 BIT OPERATING SYSTEMS CANNOT COPE WITH FILES OVER 2GB |
| 14:08.17 | pingouin_ | lol |
| 14:08.23 | sparr_ | ethics: unstable |
| 14:08.24 | |dennis| | directhex:work: sorry..got you....... |
| 14:08.39 | sparr_ | directhex|work: broken driver for my hard drive controller from 2.6.8 up :( |
| 14:08.44 | pingouin_ | directhex|work: what to run to grab those dvd iso ?! |
| 14:08.45 | ethics | sparr_ 2.6.11 still same bug? |
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| 14:08.58 | pingouin_ | a debian 64 bit ? |
| 14:09.04 | sparr_ | ethics: yes. there is work being done in the 2.6.12 RCs to fix it, but they arent close yet |
| 14:09.04 | pingouin_ | ;) |
| 14:09.22 | directhex|work | pingouin_, bittorrent, or a 64bit cpu, or curl, or something that isn't wget |
| 14:09.54 | PowerCookie | I wish to intall a graphical user interface. Where can I configure the x-Server? And where can i install more programs? plz queri, thx :-) |
| 14:09.57 | ethics | sparr_ bah have the bugreport handy? im curious on he bugs 8) |
| 14:09.58 | mike2ed | Anyone ever setup a terciary DNS server, i have bind9 just dont know what types of configs options to use |
| 14:10.02 | pingouin_ | damn..must own a 64 bit cpu to download something...Windows policy is not so far... |
| 14:10.06 | pingouin_ | joking for sure |
| 14:10.09 | ethics | sparr_ 2.6.11 just hit etch too |
| 14:10.36 | Azar | if aptitude dist-upgrades gets new X-windows and xfree86 packages do I need to reconfigure xfree86 ? |
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| 14:10.45 | mike2ed | is the terciary dns the same config as the secondary? |
| 14:10.47 | sobersabre | is there a limitation of how many groups the sshd checks for AllowGroups match per user ( e.g. if my group is 21-st in my user's group list... ) ? |
| 14:10.56 | directhex|work | PowerCookie, aptitude install x-window-system gnome |
| 14:11.08 | ethics | PowerCookie you can install them via apt-get insta PKG.... kde xfce4 gnome are popular choices...you can have multiples |
| 14:11.25 | AciD|Wrk | Azar, it'll ask you if the new pacakges has to changes a modified config |
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| 14:11.49 | Azar | thanks AciD|Wrk |
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| 14:12.18 | PowerCookie | I need a corectly Syntax for my bash, please? |
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| 14:12.32 | Rawplayer | ? |
| 14:12.35 | Rawplayer | what? |
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| 14:12.39 | Rawplayer | #!/bin/bash |
| 14:12.40 | mike2ed | hey bobw |
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| 14:13.11 | mike2ed | bobwjek |
| 14:13.12 | AciD|Wrk | PowerCookie, apt-get install xfce4 |
| 14:13.20 | sparr_ | ethics: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0504.2/0822.html |
| 14:13.20 | directhex|work | he won't have x installed. |
| 14:13.26 | sparr_ | ethics: but that patch doesnt fix it :) |
| 14:13.27 | mike2ed | have you had any luck on the 2.6 upgrade ? |
| 14:13.32 | directhex|work | why is it when you give some an exact fucking command, they're too bloody stupid to use it |
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| 14:13.39 | PowerCookie | I need a corectly Syntax for my bash, please? -While i wish to intall/reconfigure a x-server System... Sorry my english is very broken *g |
| 14:14.00 | directhex|work | mike2ed, what's to have luck with? i don't even install with 2.4, "linux26" at the cd boot: prompt does me |
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| 14:14.08 | directhex|work | <directhex|work> PowerCookie, aptitude install x-window-system gnome |
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| 14:14.18 | sparr_ | so, i ask again, which pre-2.6.8 2.6 kernel is the best choice? |
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| 14:14.31 | PowerCookie | Thank you very much! |
| 14:14.50 | bob2 | |dennis|: they might still be being uploaded |
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| 14:15.22 | mikex | what's the package with the C lib man pages? |
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| 14:15.44 | |dennis| | directhex: so i cannot downlaod the dvd iso on a 32 bit machine.....damn...well i have been trying to use the bt files.....but it says rejected by tracker. requested download is nop authorized for use with this tracker. i am trying to get 3.1r0a btw... url for the bt is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-dvd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent |
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| 14:16.04 | mikex | |dennis|, why can't you? |
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| 14:16.21 | PowerCookie | I'm testing it NOW :-) cu... |
| 14:16.33 | marcot | Hello, Where do I get the sarge floppy images? |
| 14:16.39 | mikex | |dennis|, I can send you my ftp if you like |
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| 14:16.45 | |dennis| | mikex: its say rejected..not authorized....weird...as bob2 said..they might be being uploaded??? |
| 14:17.19 | marcot | In ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.1r0/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ the images are date on 20050305. |
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| 14:17.23 | |dennis| | mikex: that would be good..thanks |
| 14:17.27 | marcot | Is this the official release? |
| 14:17.40 | directhex|work | |dennis|, wait a while for it to become current |
| 14:17.42 | mikex | although I appear to be seeding the torrent just fine |
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| 14:19.47 | |dennis| | directhex: okiee dokiee.... :) could be that...since 3.1r0a was just released... |
| 14:20.27 | sparr_ | rofl, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 suggests lilo |
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| 14:20.57 | zigkill | Are there any issues when moving from cyrus-* (in woody) to cyrus21-* (in sarge)? |
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| 14:24.23 | redfoxx | wigwam: for your information, I found the solution. I need to mount a specific fs /before/ entering the chroot: mount -t devpts none /mnt/debinst/dev/pts. Anyway, thanks for your attention ;) |
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| 14:28.18 | TuIP | hola |
| 14:28.18 | wigwam | redfoxx: thanks for the info! |
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| 14:31.29 | Zizzencs | hi! anybody could recommend me something to read about kernel parameters and memory handling on machines with 4G physical RAM and 4G swap? |
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| 14:32.31 | wigwam | Zizzencs: why? Are there any problems with these sizes? |
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| 14:32.55 | sparr | why are there no kernel-image packages older than 2.6.7 in my apt sources? |
| 14:33.06 | sparr | older than 2.6.8, including 2.6.7 |
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| 14:33.12 | Zizzencs | wigwam: yes |
| 14:33.21 | directhex|work | sparr, because nobody wants to package obsolete and insecure kernels |
| 14:33.53 | sparr | directhex|work: were they not packaged when they werent obsolete? |
| 14:34.07 | Zizzencs | wigwam: i have 4G RAM + 4G swap and /proc/meminfo reports that i have 3635508 k |
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| 14:34.24 | giupy | 4gb ram??????' |
| 14:34.32 | bob2 | if you have 4GB of ram, it's time to buy a proper cpu |
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| 14:34.42 | bob2 | ie something 64-bit |
| 14:34.43 | directhex|work | sparr, they were, and subsequently removed when they became an unsupported security risk |
| 14:34.57 | directhex|work | amd64! |
| 14:34.59 | sparr | directhex|work: ahh, where might i find them outside of apt? |
| 14:34.59 | Zizzencs | giupy: yes. proliant ML370 server. not exactly mine :-) |
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| 14:35.13 | nefertum | Zizzencs, have you got suport in the kernel for that Ram? |
| 14:35.15 | sparr | i asked google and found a LOT of results, but cant be sure whats 'official' |
| 14:35.33 | Zizzencs | CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y |
| 14:35.34 | Zizzencs | <Zizzencs> CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 14:35.44 | nefertum | oh sorry |
| 14:35.56 | Zizzencs | nope good idea |
| 14:36.08 | streuner___ | sparr: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 14:36.08 | nefertum | and the motherboard¿ |
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| 14:36.20 | bob2 | Zizzencs: presumably you want the 4g/4g patch, too |
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| 14:36.48 | cahoot | huge patch |
| 14:36.55 | directhex|work | it's an amd64 clone box |
| 14:36.57 | streuner___ | sparr: or just run 'apt-setup' to make sure you are running official mirrors |
| 14:37.02 | sparr | so mirrors keep packages that apt sources dont? |
| 14:37.04 | directhex|work | i.e. em64t. are you running debian-amd64? |
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| 14:37.10 | bob2 | ahh |
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| 14:37.27 | K-sPecial | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 14:37.28 | K-sPecial | :( |
| 14:37.33 | Zizzencs | bob2: umm... i have to read something about that. which kernel option enables this feature? |
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| 14:37.45 | directhex|work | !testing security |
| 14:37.46 | dpkg | i heard testing security issues is http://newraff.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
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| 14:38.03 | bob2 | Zizzencs: if it's an amd64 box, just run amd64 debian on it |
| 14:38.06 | streuner___ | sparr: sorry, that makes no sense at all |
| 14:38.14 | wigwam | Zizzencs: do you have any urls which describe a 4gb-problem? |
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| 14:38.24 | sparr | streuner___: are you telling me that the debian mirrors will contain packages not available on official apt sources? |
| 14:38.29 | K-sPecial | directhex|work: any idea when this is gonna change? |
| 14:38.42 | directhex|work | K-sPecial, in about 2 years' time, if we're lucky |
| 14:38.45 | Zizzencs | bob2: sorry, not amd64. |
| 14:38.50 | sparr | streuner___: the first mirror i clicked on seems to have the same contents as apt |
| 14:38.52 | streuner___ | sparr: apt aren't care where it get its packages |
| 14:38.56 | directhex|work | K-sPecial, switch to sarge, or remove the security line |
| 14:38.57 | K-sPecial | directhex|work: i heard sarge is frozen |
| 14:39.01 | Zizzencs | wigwam: i dont have :-( i need though :-) |
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| 14:39.02 | bob2 | Zizzencs: didn't directhex|work say it's a em64t machine? |
| 14:39.07 | directhex|work | k-man, sarge was released 2 days ago |
| 14:39.08 | pif | hi, is there a patch somewhere to re-add tg3 to kernel sources? I can't find it in non-free |
| 14:39.09 | sparr | streuner___: then how are mirrors supposed to help? |
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| 14:39.26 | K-sPecial | ! |
| 14:39.31 | streuner___ | sparr: well, i thought you want _only_ official mirrors |
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| 14:39.43 | K-sPecial | directhex|work: thanks |
| 14:39.49 | bob2 | pif: the bcmXXXX-source package is another driver for it |
| 14:39.51 | wigwam | Zizzencs: I have a suse 9.3 running on a host with 4,5GB Ram + 6GB SWAP without problems... Never thought there would be any. The system recognizes all of the available mem... |
| 14:39.53 | sparr | streuner___: id like a 'historical' official mirror, something with packages that have been removed |
| 14:40.01 | pif | bob2: is it good? |
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| 14:40.04 | streuner___ | sparr: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 14:40.07 | directhex|work | in theory it is. there are several generations of ML370 |
| 14:40.17 | directhex|work | the G4 model is em64t, earlier models are i386 |
| 14:40.23 | Zizzencs | bob2: no, it is an intel-based server with two xeon cpus |
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| 14:40.28 | streuner___ | sparr: its not official, btw. |
| 14:40.35 | bob2 | Zizzencs: modern xeon chips are amd64s |
| 14:40.37 | sparr | better than nothing |
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| 14:40.46 | streuner___ | sparr: and archive.d.o is pretty dead |
| 14:40.57 | sparr | i hope i wont have to downgrade for long |
| 14:41.01 | sparr | <fingers crossed> |
| 14:41.10 | streuner___ | for sdn nah |
| 14:41.10 | Zizzencs | from cpuinfo: model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz |
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| 14:41.53 | K-sPecial | s/APT::Default-Release "testing";// |
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| 14:42.10 | streuner__ | sparr so whats the problem, why not just use stable? |
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| 14:42.19 | Zizzencs | wigwam: good to hear that :-) won't solve my problem though :-) |
| 14:42.21 | sparr | streuner__: i need 2.6.7 |
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| 14:42.34 | streuner__ | sparr: why? |
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| 14:42.56 | sparr | streuner__: broken driver in newer kernels. it was supposed to still work in 2.6.8 but im seeing it broken there too |
| 14:43.07 | directhex|work | Zizzencs, what cache sizes are reported? |
| 14:43.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | LOL @ topic |
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| 14:43.10 | sparr | they are working on fixing it in 2.6.12 RCs, but not near a fix |
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| 14:43.36 | streuner__ | sparr: uhm, what version of debian do you actually use? |
| 14:43.40 | sparr | unstable |
| 14:43.40 | Zizzencs | directhex|work: cache size : 1024 KB |
| 14:43.46 | guyver | I have no sound in KDE 3.4 - I did a lspci | grpe audio and got the following - 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC '97 Audio Controller (rev 02) Any ideas please |
| 14:43.55 | sparr | im using 2.6.10 right now, and it works great except this one bug |
| 14:44.01 | streuner__ | sparr: hm, it should be soon in debian then |
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| 14:44.07 | directhex|work | Zizzencs, 800mhz bus? |
| 14:44.08 | streuner__ | sparr: or custom kernel... |
| 14:44.10 | ethics | !ich |
| 14:44.15 | sparr | it wont be in soon |
| 14:44.20 | sparr | they might not even get it fixed in .12 |
| 14:44.24 | HelmutG | hi. is cardmgr expected to repeat the message "Common memory region at 0xb7ed49bd: Generic or SRAM" indefinitely and share the cpu with syslog spamming logfiles? |
| 14:44.25 | scarynetworkguy | !any ideas |
| 14:44.26 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:44.27 | neiljp | is there a way to get nautilus to browse into tgz files? |
| 14:44.29 | ethics | !ich5 |
| 14:44.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, ich5 is modprobe ata-piix |
| 14:44.35 | scarynetworkguy | !tell guyver about faq |
| 14:44.45 | Zizzencs | directhex|work: i dont know how to get that info... |
| 14:44.47 | ethics | !ich6 |
| 14:44.47 | dpkg | ich6 is, like, a new intel chipset. SATA supported under ide-piix. audio on sarge needs either 1.0.8 (alsa-source)....snd-azx is the 1.0.8 version of the driver. 1.0.9 hda-intel driver is much better tho but not packaged. D-i RC3 should find sata automatically as it has been bugfixed but modprobe will find it if not autoconfiged |
| 14:44.48 | snail | guyver: everything turned on? does it work in the fula boot (if any)? |
| 14:44.53 | sparr | .11 hasnt gone into unstable yet |
| 14:44.59 | sparr | even IF its fixed in .12, thats weeks away |
| 14:45.06 | snail | !tell me about faq |
| 14:45.18 | HelmutG | can i furthermore consider this to be a bug? (i.e. looks like a race condition putting cardmgr into an endless loop) |
| 14:45.27 | streuner__ | sparr: so roll your own kernel |
| 14:45.34 | directhex|work | sparr, huh? |
| 14:45.37 | ethics | guyver you may have something related to that....try the snd-intel8x0 drivers |
| 14:45.41 | directhex|work | !info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp |
| 14:45.44 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-5 (sid), Packaged size: 15409 kB, Installed size: 45632 kB |
| 14:45.48 | mikex | what's the package with the C lib man pages? |
| 14:45.58 | streuner__ | !kernel |
| 14:46.00 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.11, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.12-rc6-git2, 2.4: 2.4.31, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc6-mm1 |
| 14:46.05 | drasko | how to disable maximizing/minimizing windows on doubleclick on the top border? |
| 14:46.09 | sparr | streuner__: and then what? i dont have a fix for the problem. there are thousands of lines of code to roll back if i want to try using the working driver from 2.6.7 in 2.6.10 |
| 14:46.20 | sparr | streuner__: and i cant even be sure that would work |
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| 14:46.52 | sparr | STN seems... empty. i found the directory for the package i need and it just has a few small text files in it |
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| 14:47.01 | PerfDave | guyver: How come you're running KDE 3.4? |
| 14:47.05 | tarzeau | DO WE STILL NEED THE CAPS IN THE TOPIC? |
| 14:47.09 | sparr | directhex|work, huh? |
| 14:47.11 | directhex|work | Zizzencs, there is a 64 bit 3.2ghz xeon, and a 32 bit 3.2ghz xeon. the former is sold in the ml370 g4, the latter in the g3 |
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| 14:47.47 | asker | tarzeau nörüyon |
| 14:47.50 | streuner__ | tarzeau: well, we hadn't any questions since it it there ;-) |
| 14:48.01 | streuner__ | s/it/is/ |
| 14:48.10 | streuner__ | so it works (TM) |
| 14:48.11 | tarzeau | asker: ne dyön? |
| 14:48.22 | asker | :D |
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| 14:48.32 | sparr | the worst part is i could buy a new ide controller |
| 14:48.37 | bernouli | using iircII, why would my .ircrc wont be read as soon as i start irc? it will read if i connect to another server |
| 14:48.41 | sparr | but the day it arrives i bet there will be a fix for the driver for my old one |
| 14:49.05 | Georgi | after upgrading from woody to sarge, the postfix daemon started yelling about SASL authentication problem, unknown password verifier |
| 14:49.21 | streuner__ | sparr: try #kernelnewbies at irc.oftn.net too |
| 14:49.38 | Georgi | i tried to convert the sasldb to sasld2 but, it doesnt help |
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| 14:49.58 | bobwJek | DO i have to do anything different in my apt/sources.list file now that I upgraded to the 2.6 kernel?? |
| 14:50.10 | bobwJek | my apt-get update says some index files have failed to update |
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| 14:50.24 | tarzeau | bobwJek: remove the non-us from it |
| 14:50.31 | tarzeau | bobwJek: while you are at it, also remove non-free and contrib |
| 14:50.35 | streuner__ | sparr: s/oftn/oftc/ |
| 14:51.10 | directhex|work | tarzeau, for any particular reason? |
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| 14:51.13 | wasabi_ | I've tried to tar up a / filesystem and move it to another system. I've got a good understanding of what that involves, but I'm getting an error when I boot the new system. The kernel loads, but gets "s/bin/init cannot create /dev/null" read only file system. not syncing: attempted to kill init |
| 14:51.27 | tarzeau | directhex|work: they are not debian |
| 14:51.32 | wasabi_ | What's the cuase of that? init is trying to create a file, but failing and dying. |
| 14:52.04 | lucox | hi, anybody experiences with IE and wine ? |
| 14:52.10 | bobwJek | all i have is : |
| 14:52.10 | bobwJek | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 14:52.10 | bobwJek | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 14:52.11 | bobwJek | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
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| 14:52.15 | FieldySnuts | !not supporting IE / wine |
| 14:52.16 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support IE / wine too. Try #IE/ wine or donating money to charity. |
| 14:52.20 | sparr | i found a 2.6.7 kernel from backports.org |
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| 14:52.22 | sparr | hope it helps |
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| 14:52.32 | nkuttler | wasabi_: what file? on what drive? is the drive rw? |
| 14:52.32 | FieldySnuts | heh #IE/ wine |
| 14:52.37 | streuner__ | sparr thats for woody... |
| 14:52.43 | wasabi_ | nksen, beats me. I think it's an initrd. |
| 14:52.49 | sparr | streuner__: im becoming less picky by the minute |
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| 14:52.57 | streuner__ | bobwJek: /msg dpkg flood |
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| 14:53.11 | ethics | hehe is that like i whine |
| 14:53.13 | directhex|work | bobwJek, there are no security updates in debian etch. remove the security line, or switch to sarge |
| 14:53.28 | bobwJek | etch? |
| 14:53.31 | directhex|work | msie doesn't install on sarge's version of wine, if memory serves |
| 14:53.32 | bobwJek | i am running sarge |
| 14:53.35 | streuner__ | !etch |
| 14:53.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases> |
| 14:53.44 | directhex|work | bobwJek, the word "testing" means no, you're not, you're on etch |
| 14:53.46 | streuner__ | testing=etch |
| 14:53.50 | ethics | !disec |
| 14:53.51 | dpkg | from memory, disec is sarge installer will leave testing in your security lines on sources.list, try apt-setup or editing /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to sarge unless you plan on running etch.if you want to run etch just delete the security line and use testing or etch |
| 14:54.09 | streuner__ | dpkg, etch is also etch the new testing branch of debain |
| 14:54.10 | dpkg | streuner__: okay |
| 14:54.16 | streuner__ | argfh |
| 14:54.31 | bobwJek | ok so what do I NEED in sources.list |
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| 14:54.42 | bobwJek | now that sarge is stable |
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| 14:54.46 | wasabi_ | "sarge" |
| 14:54.49 | wasabi_ | or "stable" |
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| 14:54.56 | sparr | i always hate to see hardware support lost in linux |
| 14:55.02 | FieldySnuts | why would it be lost |
| 14:55.02 | sparr | like sliding back down a steep slope |
| 14:55.14 | sparr | FieldySnuts: drivers no longer maintained, or broken |
| 14:55.22 | ethics | bob you can delete them all and run apt-setup if you want a guil mirror list etc |
| 14:55.23 | FieldySnuts | shrug. volunteers |
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| 14:55.31 | sparr | i wish i had the skills |
| 14:55.39 | wasabi_ | Get them. |
| 14:55.41 | bobwJek | ok thanks |
| 14:55.41 | FieldySnuts | talk to the manufacturer, be nice to let them know there are linux users who WANT to use their hardware |
| 14:56.04 | sparr | the manufacturer actually provides a linux driver |
| 14:56.07 | sparr | it just doesnt work :( |
| 14:56.10 | theD3viL | Why sound freezes when i minimize any windows..? I have good computer ! |
| 14:56.11 | FieldySnuts | cute |
| 14:56.21 | FieldySnuts | who is that? I'll stay away |
| 14:56.33 | sparr | highpoint |
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| 14:56.40 | FieldySnuts | oh. wasn't fond of them anyway hehe |
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| 14:56.58 | sparr | gonna try booting into 2.6.7 now |
| 14:57.03 | shizz | could anybody reccomend a tutorial, if any, for xfce? |
| 14:57.06 | streuner__ | in general highpoint become better in 2.6.x kernels... |
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| 14:57.09 | ethics | theD3viL, sound is clashing...you need to tell you wm to use the sound the right way....theres a few different ways alsa being the more common |
| 14:57.13 | streuner__ | support* |
| 14:57.13 | sparr | if this doesnt work i might be going back to 2.4.x for a while |
| 14:57.36 | streuner__ | sparr: highpoint support in 2.4.x rarely exist... |
| 14:57.44 | ethics | theD3viL, thats just a guess... |
| 14:57.47 | theD3viL | ethics: oh.. tnx i will use alsa now. |
| 14:57.48 | FieldySnuts | i got an adeptect pci ide controller. it turned out to have a highpoint on it, that really annoyed me, i bought adaptec to get adaptech, not some lame highpoiont stuff (took it back) |
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| 14:58.28 | ethics | theDevil: depending on how far in you are you may need to run alsaconf as root to detect cards etc |
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| 14:58.42 | mikex | what's the package with the Unix system calls man pages |
| 14:58.46 | Kaze | I need to update something (mysql) |
| 14:58.54 | Kaze | the onyl way I have been updating is apt-get |
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| 14:59.06 | Gathond | mikex: manpages-dev i believe |
| 14:59.08 | bob2 | mikex: manpages-dev |
| 14:59.08 | Kaze | the apt-get version that I get is very very far outdated |
| 14:59.17 | mikex | thanks |
| 14:59.21 | bob2 | Kaze: er |
| 14:59.22 | ethics | FieldySnuts, does adaptec own Highpoint now ? |
| 14:59.28 | bob2 | !+info mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
| 14:59.32 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.11a-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 14214 kB, Installed size: 30420 kB |
| 14:59.34 | theD3viL | ethics: now works fine, TNX ;) |
| 14:59.35 | Kaze | I am use Woody |
| 14:59.39 | FieldySnuts | ethics: no, they just got lame and used their chips in that card |
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| 14:59.50 | FieldySnuts | which i was disappointed to see adaptec do |
| 14:59.56 | bob2 | Kaze: woody is stupidly old |
| 14:59.59 | streuner__ | Kaze: upgrade to sarge |
| 15:00.00 | bob2 | Kaze: upgrade to sarge already |
| 15:00.03 | ethics | theD3viL, np glad it works |
| 15:00.06 | Kaze | Is that an easy process? |
| 15:00.13 | ethics | !prize theD3viL |
| 15:00.17 | theD3viL | =) |
| 15:00.18 | streuner__ | Kaze: /msg dpkg woody>sarge |
| 15:00.19 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite msnbot for crawling our web sites at full speed |
| 15:00.20 | ravenbird | msnbot for crawling our web sites at full speed: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
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| 15:00.24 | streuner__ | !upgrade tests |
| 15:00.25 | dpkg | Upgrade Tests - It is recommended to read the release notes before upgrading, and in particular Chapter 4 <release notes>, "Upgrades from previous releases". upgrade report template to help when reporting problems with the upgrades (http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html). If you do run into problems please fill it out, and email it to submit@bugs.debian.org, thanks. |
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| 15:00.53 | Kaze | Okay, I know about that |
| 15:01.02 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aussiesmite Phated |
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| 15:01.02 | dpkg | Phated: yee bloody yank |
| 15:01.08 | Kaze | but how long might the process take, and what precautions should I go in to first before going through the upgrade? |
| 15:01.09 | ethics | FieldySnuts, how ghey of them...perhaps indian techsupport could have helped with that ..........dumbasses |
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| 15:01.24 | FieldySnuts | indian tech support is fine with me, if i can communicate with them |
| 15:01.31 | streuner__ | Kaze: read the factoid and what dpkg told you |
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| 15:01.49 | streuner__ | Kaze: in general in depends how many packages you have installed too |
| 15:01.51 | bobwJek | why is my apt-get upgrade so huge, is it because the new 2.6 kernel |
| 15:02.00 | streuner__ | no |
| 15:02.03 | bob2 | bobwJek: are you using stable? |
| 15:02.14 | Kaze | dpkg isn't responding |
| 15:02.15 | streuner__ | upgrade doesnt touch the kernel |
| 15:02.15 | bobwJek | yep |
| 15:02.23 | bobwJek | have been for a few months |
| 15:02.30 | bob2 | bobwJek: sarge came out, there's a new stable release |
| 15:02.31 | ethics | FieldySnuts, i dont know why but i always get this image of apu on the phone "thank you coma gain" |
| 15:02.42 | Kaze | Is dpkg broked? |
| 15:02.44 | streuner__ | !tell Kaze about woody>sarge |
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| 15:02.59 | streuner__ | !tell Kaze about woody->sarge |
| 15:02.59 | shizz | What does "API" stand for? |
| 15:02.59 | bobwJek | bob, so if I was running sarge already what is the difference |
| 15:03.02 | Kaze | streuner__: Still didn't get anything |
| 15:03.06 | Kaze | Okay, not it worked |
| 15:03.08 | Kaze | now* |
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| 15:03.18 | streuner__ | Kaze: forgot '-' |
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| 15:03.38 | bob2 | bobwJek: you said you were using stable |
| 15:03.54 | bobwJek | darn im so confused!!!! |
| 15:04.10 | bobwJek | i installed the sarge release 2 months ago |
| 15:04.21 | ethics | shizz, application programming interface |
| 15:04.30 | bobwJek | before it was official of course |
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| 15:04.37 | De_Mon | is there a way I can memtest 'blocks' of ram? |
| 15:04.57 | streuner__ | De_Mon: memtest86 |
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| 15:05.12 | streuner__ | De_Mon: just run it at night |
| 15:05.16 | drac | Say, can I tell bzip2 to create max. 3gb size packages, like cut it after 3gb to second package? |
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| 15:05.35 | De_Mon | memtest86 or memtest86+ =P |
| 15:05.38 | sparr | 2.6.7 WORKS! |
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| 15:05.47 | Gathond | drac: not sure you can, you can probably make tar do it though |
| 15:05.53 | sparr | id like to give a big hello to my two new friends, /dev/hde and /dev/hdg |
| 15:05.54 | Azar | that is so uncool, that page helped me do a right Sarge upgrade |
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| 15:06.00 | Gathond | drac: or use split on the bz2 archive later |
| 15:06.04 | nvz | sparr: so did 1.1, but you think people still use it? hehe |
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| 15:06.17 | sparr | nvz: 2.6.7 happens to be the latest that works :-p |
| 15:06.20 | sparr | now |
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| 15:06.31 | sparr | i have to pray that mdadm reassembles my RAID volumes correctly |
| 15:06.39 | De_Mon | interesting, I need to get a floppy |
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| 15:06.46 | nvz | sparr: thats strange, cause sarge just released 6/6/2005 with 2.6.8 |
| 15:06.48 | Gathond | sparr: ehhh 2.6.7 was the first one I tried ... and that did not work that well (slow, crashing every 24 hours, ... and so on) |
| 15:06.54 | aaaa | hi, I'm going to build a software raid using new disks, but I found two options that I'm getting more confused the more I search for information. The problem is simple, it's preferible to use the entire disk on the raid, or better add one partition to each disk that contains the entire disk ? |
| 15:06.54 | freewoody | Hi |
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| 15:07.06 | sparr | ill be moving to 2.6.12 if they fix drivers for my hardware |
| 15:07.09 | freewoody | I am using Sarge and "apt-get update" does not seem to work |
| 15:07.11 | sparr | i was using 2.6.10 til today |
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| 15:07.27 | coolball | is there a config file I can edit rather than running dpkg-configure xserver-xfree86 to add a video resolution to XFree86? |
| 15:07.32 | nkuttler | !tell freewoody about doesn't work |
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| 15:07.45 | nkuttler | coolball: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 15:07.56 | nvz | sparr: what hardware? |
| 15:08.01 | bobwJek | freewoody, i am having same issue |
| 15:08.08 | takatumi | Azar: try http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ |
| 15:08.09 | coolball | ty |
| 15:08.09 | freewoody | Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 15:08.10 | freewoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.13 | sparr | nvz: hpt372N |
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| 15:08.23 | freewoody | I see this when using "apt-get update" |
| 15:08.27 | streuner__ | freewoody: a bug in d-i |
| 15:08.36 | streuner__ | freewoody: just change testing to sarge |
| 15:08.45 | Azar | ah thanks a lot takatumi :) |
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| 15:09.08 | freedom101 | someone can explain to my why ther is no Non-US anymore? |
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| 15:09.20 | streuner__ | freedom101: US laws changed... |
| 15:09.24 | justin | freedom101: read the release notes? |
| 15:09.25 | paulswm | freedom101: no longer necessary |
| 15:09.35 | freedom101 | ok thanks |
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| 15:09.50 | nvz | sparr: search of the changelog, shows nothing remotly close :P |
| 15:09.59 | Ungy | where are release notes? |
| 15:10.09 | paulswm | Ungy: debian web site |
| 15:10.12 | streuner__ | !release notes |
| 15:10.12 | dpkg | [release notes] http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 15:10.16 | sparr | nvz: changelog for what? |
| 15:10.18 | sparr | damnit |
| 15:10.19 | Ungy | thanks |
| 15:10.23 | sparr | i cant build the nvidia kernel module |
| 15:10.26 | freewoody | Thanks alot |
| 15:10.31 | sparr | i just cant win, wtf |
| 15:10.33 | nvz | sparr: kernel 2.6.11.11 or 2.6.12-rc6 |
| 15:10.48 | xinming | anyone here can tell me hwere to found the cross-install manual for debian? :-S I searched www.debian.org |
| 15:10.48 | xinming | But I didn't find any |
| 15:11.01 | sparr | nvz: yeah, sucks, i know. im hoping they will get it fixed before 2.6.12 finalizes |
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| 15:11.14 | Dr_O | xinming: cross install ??? |
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| 15:11.35 | Ungy | |
| 15:11.36 | scar_ | why is it that all dyndns provider charge fees these days? I'd love to use dyndns.org or similar supported with ez-ipupdate but they all charge money! anyone got another hint? |
| 15:11.51 | nvz | sparr: even a wishing well needs a deposit... |
| 15:11.52 | sparr | scar_: i use dyndns.org and its fre |
| 15:11.57 | cahoot | sparr: happened to read this? http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/5/5/63 |
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| 15:12.19 | streuner__ | scar_: base service is still free |
| 15:12.27 | ethics | !tell freedom101 about crypto |
| 15:12.48 | scar_ | streuner__, but no dyndns forwarding |
| 15:12.49 | ethics | oh dpkg got netsplit death? |
| 15:12.56 | scar_ | spantiga, no dyndns forwarding |
| 15:12.56 | xinming | Dr_O: Install Debian from existing debian |
| 15:13.14 | nkuttler | xinming: from debian? why not upgrade? |
| 15:13.20 | bobwJek | so are you guys saying that now there are no Security updates for sarge and we dont need the security.debian.org entry in sources.list |
| 15:13.21 | bobwJek | ? |
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| 15:13.30 | kid_am | hay doeds |
| 15:13.35 | freedom101 | pgp is legal now? |
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| 15:14.31 | Ronin | bobwJek: no there are no security updates for testing |
| 15:14.34 | kid_am | i have a small problem: does someone know how to fix the "8253 Count too high! Resetting.." problem? |
| 15:14.46 | PerfDave | bobwJek: There are security updates for sarge, sarge is the stable release. There are none for etch or sid. |
| 15:14.59 | xinming | nkuttler: I got 2 hard disk, I've got a debian installed. This is using sid. But Now, I wish to use another hard disk which will get the sarge stable release |
| 15:15.02 | ethics | freedom101, yes and no... |
| 15:15.10 | bobwJek | ok so I installed sarge 2 months ago when it was testing, what do i have to do now? |
| 15:15.26 | PerfDave | xinming: Use debootstrap or cdebootstrap from your sid install to isntall Sarge on your other drive. |
| 15:15.28 | coolball | how can I give write permission for the file /etc/X11/XFree86.config-4? |
| 15:15.37 | Ungy | bobwJek, update your /etc/apt/sources.list to read sarge instead of testing |
| 15:15.41 | PerfDave | bobwJek: Do you want to run sarge/stable, or etch/testing? |
| 15:15.42 | nkuttler | xinming: honestly, i think a simple install is much easier and faster |
| 15:15.58 | coolball | I mean XF86Config-4 |
| 15:16.02 | Ungy | etch is now testing? |
| 15:16.02 | ethics | freedom101 its legal the way its distributed the law on use may differ |
| 15:16.04 | bobwJek | PerfDave: I want whatever is stable |
| 15:16.08 | Ungy | what heppened to sid? |
| 15:16.12 | bobwJek | i want to run sarge/stable!! |
| 15:16.16 | Kaze | Okay guys |
| 15:16.16 | freedom101 | ok |
| 15:16.17 | Dr_O | xinming: I think it is towards the end of the install manual |
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| 15:16.20 | Kaze | I am trying to upgrade to sarge |
| 15:16.21 | Kaze | but |
| 15:16.21 | directhex|work | bobwJek, last i checked, you weren't on sarge. sarge has security updates. etch, which you were running last i checked, does not |
| 15:16.25 | wdfsd | hi how do i apt-get kde/ |
| 15:16.27 | ethics | freedom101, if you keep following dpkg factios theres a webling to the changes somewhere |
| 15:16.28 | Kaze | apt-get install aptitude |
| 15:16.31 | Kaze | This gives me an error |
| 15:16.34 | drac | coolball: with chmod. |
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| 15:16.39 | Kaze | and so does apt-get upgrade |
| 15:16.44 | Kaze | and pretty much anything else I try to do |
| 15:16.45 | directhex|work | !dynamic mmap |
| 15:16.45 | dpkg | hmm... dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 15:16.46 | kid_am | i have a small problem: does someone know how to fix the "8253 Count too high! Resetting.." problem? |
| 15:16.50 | PerfDave | bobwJek: So put "sarge" or "stable" in your sources.list and leave in the security.debian.org line for sarge or stable. |
| 15:16.52 | wdfsd | hi how do i apt-get kde/ |
| 15:16.52 | xinming | PerfDave: What's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap by the way |
| 15:16.56 | freedom101 | ok |
| 15:17.01 | Azar | bobwJek: if you are running sid you better reinstall from scratch directly to Sarge |
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| 15:17.08 | Dr_O | xinming: http://www.uk.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 15:17.14 | PerfDave | xinming: I can never remember which one's which, but one assumes you have dpkg and other debian tools installed, and the other doesn't. |
| 15:17.20 | scar_ | I have tried to make a program and get hell of an output saying errors and errors stdin, argin, sig whatever.... what's going on=? |
| 15:17.20 | bobwJek | ok let me try |
| 15:17.22 | xinming | Dr_O: thanks. |
| 15:17.26 | directhex|work | Azar, he's on etch, as he was about half an hour ago |
| 15:17.27 | wdfsd | can someone help me? |
| 15:17.29 | xinming | PerfDave: thanks. |
| 15:17.33 | Kaze | Guys |
| 15:17.40 | directhex|work | wdfsd, apt-get install kde? |
| 15:17.40 | Kaze | How for to get a new mirror |
| 15:17.43 | Kaze | I think mine is broken |
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| 15:17.44 | Kaze | for apt-get |
| 15:17.47 | drac | Kaze: apt-setup |
| 15:17.48 | wdfsd | yes |
| 15:17.51 | Kaze | Okay |
| 15:18.03 | Azar | directhex|work: you think he can roll back from "testing" - etch to "stable" - sarge? |
| 15:18.05 | samuel | hello all |
| 15:18.09 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, are you running testing or unstable? |
| 15:18.10 | Belboz99 | hey guys, I finnally finished configuring my Debian Sarge OS with FAH as a service, everythings running great, many thanks! |
| 15:18.18 | wdfsd | it givesme an error |
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| 15:18.22 | snail | scar_: generally on the first few messages are important, send them to a paste bot and send us the url |
| 15:18.23 | bobwJek | Azar, so your saying that sarge two months ago installed and sarge today are VERY different? so much so that i need to reinstall??? |
| 15:18.29 | directhex|work | Azar, if he does it NOW, rather than titting about for another month sayinf "but i want to run sarge!", then more or less |
| 15:18.34 | samuel | anyone here know if the "Listen 192.168......" line is NECESSARY to share a cups printer? |
| 15:18.34 | bobwJek | jasoncohen: I was running testing |
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| 15:18.42 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, you don't need to re-install then |
| 15:18.44 | Ronin | bobwJek: no, they're not that far apart, just some updates |
| 15:18.50 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, he thought you were using sid |
| 15:19.05 | Belboz99 | well, I'm gonna head out now, peace! |
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| 15:19.08 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, just change your /etc/apt/sources.list entries to sarge or stable and re-run |
| 15:19.13 | Azar | bobwJek: the meaning of "testing" has changed once Sarge went out officially and it became "stable" |
| 15:19.18 | jasoncohen | *and run apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:19.21 | directhex|work | bobwJek, you're still running testing. this is the problem. stop running testing. you've been told at LEAST five times how to do so. |
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| 15:19.46 | Kaze | Shit |
| 15:19.53 | Kaze | I think maybe it is my net connection broken |
| 15:19.56 | Kaze | XD haha |
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| 15:20.04 | Kaze | What is the best way to fix this? |
| 15:20.06 | coolball | so chmod +?w XF86Config-4? |
| 15:20.09 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, if you wanted to run sarge from the beginning you should have added sarge to your sources.list file with a security entry for sarge so you wouldn't have had to do anything when it got released |
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| 15:20.10 | Azar | the sources.list should now be modified from "testing" >> to "Sarge" |
| 15:20.14 | coolball | what do I put for the ? |
| 15:20.17 | scar_ | snail, does #flood work aswell? |
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| 15:20.20 | Kaze | I manually set eth0 because the dhcp for it changed the ip address to on I disliked due to a superstition. |
| 15:20.29 | Kaze | Trying something else |
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| 15:20.36 | snail | scar_: no since we've not subscribed |
| 15:20.38 | jasoncohen | Azar, to "sarge" |
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| 15:20.52 | Spec | *tells you all sarge is released!* |
| 15:20.54 | Azar | jasoncohen, thanks, yes, sorry... "sarge" |
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| 15:21.13 | shizz | has anybody downloaded CVSWineX? |
| 15:21.15 | drac | coolball: chmod u+w /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 should be fine. |
| 15:21.21 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, so, did you do it? |
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| 15:21.32 | PerfDave | coolball: Why are you trying to change the permissions of your X config file? |
| 15:21.37 | PerfDave | !drxx coolball |
| 15:21.38 | dpkg | coolball: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 15:21.48 | Azar | reading the release notes page, helps a lot in preparing an upgrade to sarge, there are few things people should take care BEFORE upgrading to sarge |
| 15:21.51 | singe | jasoncohen: won't he need to change his pinning settings? |
| 15:21.56 | scar_ | snail, check http://paste.lisp.org/display/8903 |
| 15:22.03 | drac | PerfDave: Heh. I had wrong approach :P |
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| 15:22.06 | bobwJek | jasoncohen: i just changed the sources.list to say sarge where it said testing |
| 15:22.19 | jasoncohen | singe, yes, if he had any |
| 15:22.35 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, did you have any pinning settings or a default distro set in apt.conf? |
| 15:22.41 | Azar | bobwJ, it is good to install the new "aptitude" before upgrading |
| 15:22.45 | jasoncohen | i.e. were you mixing unstable and testing? |
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| 15:23.36 | bobwJek | jasoncohen: I changed the sources.list and ran the update command, it found the sites, then when i did upgrade it said 0 packages |
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| 15:23.48 | kid_am | i have a small problem: does someone know how to fix the "8253 Count too high! Resetting.." problem? ==> SOLUTION: http://www.carlug.org/pipermail/carlug-discuss/2004-March/004082.html (thx people, ciao!) |
| 15:24.14 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, what do you expect? you were running testing which is basically identical at this point to sarge |
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| 15:24.42 | jasoncohen | i've had one update since sarge has released on my testing system and it was an unstable package (gamin) |
| 15:24.45 | bobwJek | darn it, this is all new for me...im used to compiling and rpm's |
| 15:24.50 | bobwJek | but i like it much better |
| 15:25.07 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, you have a line for security updates, right? |
| 15:25.24 | jasoncohen | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:25.53 | shizz | in order to use the CVS Cedega, I must download all those files and place them in the appropriate directories? anyone able to help? |
| 15:25.57 | ethics | bobwJek, the leraning curve is quick...once your familiar with apt-geet apt-cache and dpkg you will thing rps blow |
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| 15:26.03 | Azar | bobwJek: it will be a good idea to keep active only 3 links at upgrade time in sources.list: the /security.debian.org/.... , your fastest link and the /mirrors.kernel.org/ one all 3 main, non-free, contrib |
| 15:26.14 | takatumi | bobwJek: try the debian-reference or read it online to get a feel of the system. the #debian FAQ is a good start as well. |
| 15:26.37 | PerfDave | shizz: Ask Cedega for help :) |
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| 15:26.48 | takatumi | ethics: try aptitude |
| 15:26.50 | bobwJek | jasoncohen: I have that line but w/o the contrib non-free part |
| 15:26.58 | shizz | ..thanks PerfDave :| |
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| 15:27.19 | PerfDave | shizz: Cedega isn't in Debian, it's a commercial product with its own support. They'll be able to help you more than we will. |
| 15:27.20 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, that's fine if you don't have contrib and non-free in your sarge archive line |
| 15:27.25 | Spec | when was sarge released? today or yesterday? |
| 15:27.29 | PerfDave | You only need contrib and non-free if you want non-free software on your system. |
| 15:27.31 | snail | scar_: ok, the problem is that the compiler is not finding the header files |
| 15:27.34 | PerfDave | Spec: Aaages ago ;) |
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| 15:27.40 | ethics | takatumi: yeah one day ill spend a few with it...i like apt-get tho recommendeds annoy me sometimes hehe |
| 15:27.45 | sparr | i reboot, X wont start because it catches signal 11. i reinstall the NVIDIA driver, X starts just fine. I reboot, X wont start... any ideas? |
| 15:27.51 | shizz | PerfDave, okay, sounds good I guess. |
| 15:28.00 | scar_ | snail, yes .... maybe they are not installed? |
| 15:28.01 | directhex|work | sparr, how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 15:28.08 | jasoncohen | Spec, neither. it was released on june 6th |
| 15:28.13 | sparr | directhex|work: the wrong way, as always |
| 15:28.16 | Spec | 2 days ago? |
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| 15:28.21 | scar_ | snail, because I have just installed a fresh and minimal installation of sarge |
| 15:28.22 | zenlunatic | How is debian stable more stable than other distros? |
| 15:28.24 | takatumi | ethics: aptitude will install the recommends too if you want it that way. |
| 15:28.25 | wdfsd | where can i find the debian repository list? |
| 15:28.26 | Spec | hmm, *was sick/sleepy last two days-ish* |
| 15:28.31 | directhex|work | sparr, if it involved nvidia-installer, you can clean your own fucking mess |
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| 15:28.33 | scar_ | snail, and I just did a apt-get install gcc before |
| 15:28.36 | PerfDave | zenlunatic: Flying butresses |
| 15:28.39 | takatumi | zenlunatic: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 15:28.49 | sparr | directhex|work: id love to use another way if i could find one that worked |
| 15:28.53 | bobwJek | jasoncohen: whats the deb-src entry for? |
| 15:29.03 | GooZ | zenlunatic, 10$ or 200m more stable than other distros lol |
| 15:29.16 | snail | scar_: i'm not entirely certain which package you're missing, but i'm guessing that when you installed gcc it recommended a ton of packages which you didn't install ? |
| 15:29.18 | PerfDave | sparr: Clearly the way you're using doesn't work :) |
| 15:29.21 | ethics | takatumi: yeah thats what i didnt like hehe..if i have something its for a reason and i know what that is heheh...i look them up sometimes tho hehe |
| 15:29.24 | directhex|work | sparr, i know a quick fix to your problem, but i'm choosing to withhold that information. i will not help people woth nvidia-installer. |
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| 15:29.28 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, for source packages. with that you can download build dependencies to compile packages or recompile a package from unstable if you like |
| 15:29.46 | zenlunatic | takatumi: thx |
| 15:29.54 | luulis | !thx |
| 15:29.54 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 15:29.55 | scar_ | snail, there were some extra packages that came along, and I did a go on everyone ... so installed everything it mentioned besides the gcc |
| 15:29.57 | sparr | directhex|work: then just point me towards The Debian Way |
| 15:29.59 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, apt-get build-dep packagename to get build dependencies and apt-get -b source packagename to download the source and build it |
| 15:30.06 | directhex|work | !tell sparr about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:30.16 | jharrisonwk | kernel compile in about 4 and a half minutes |
| 15:30.18 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 15:30.18 | wdfsd | where can i find the debian repository list? |
| 15:30.24 | directhex|work | sparr, though if you've already used nvidia-installer, your system may already be too fucked for it to work |
| 15:30.29 | PerfDave | wdfsd: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 15:30.30 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: thats pretty decent right? |
| 15:30.39 | takatumi | wdfsd: try apt-setup or apt-spy |
| 15:30.41 | PerfDave | jharrisonwk: kernel-image installation is quicker ;) |
| 15:30.49 | directhex|work | jharrisonwk, depends. any actual modules in that? =] |
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| 15:30.57 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, deb-src can come in very handy when you want to build something from CVS/SVN |
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| 15:31.35 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: yea |
| 15:31.35 | bobwJek | jasoncohen, thanks thats awesome you can get source packages list this |
| 15:31.43 | snail | scar_: try installing libc6-dev |
| 15:31.58 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: all the netfilter stuff is modules and there are a few more but thats it |
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| 15:32.06 | bobwJek | jasoncohen, as well as deps, so that means no more tracking dependencies as they occur at compile time |
| 15:32.12 | zenlunatic | is debian really dropping architectures? |
| 15:32.13 | mbn2 | hmmm, is there php5 backport ? |
| 15:32.15 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, yes, for example when i wanted to compile amarok 1.3 SVN i just did apt-get build-dep amarok, ./configure, make, make install |
| 15:32.45 | scar_ | snail, nothin happens. returns to cmd line without output |
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| 15:32.49 | sparr | how far behind the official drivers does the debian package usually lag? |
| 15:32.54 | sparr | for -1-k7 kernels, specifically |
| 15:32.55 | jasoncohen | bobwJek, there's also a package called auto-apt that can download dependencies for you during compile time |
| 15:32.58 | jasoncohen | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
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| 15:33.18 | jasoncohen | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-search.en.html - sorry, wrong page- look for auto-apt |
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| 15:34.07 | directhex|work | sparr, -1- kernels are unsupported and unmainatined. and module-assistant builds modules for any kernel with a -headers- package. |
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| 15:34.46 | sparr | directhex|work: what does the -1- signify? should i prefer the base version instead? |
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| 15:34.58 | F-Lelo | are you ppl having the same problem I am? I am having X breaks... like when I'm browsing something and it gets segfault out of the blue |
| 15:35.00 | snail | scar_: hmmm, does the file /usr/include/sys/types.h exist? |
| 15:35.14 | F-Lelo | it started to happend yesterday, when I did an dist-upgrade using testing |
| 15:35.33 | directhex|work | sparr, it implies that it's the first version of it, i think. the only supoprted kernels with -headers- packages at the moment are 2.4.27-2- and 2.6.8-2- |
| 15:35.45 | scar_ | snail; not even the sys dir exists |
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| 15:35.59 | directhex|work | sparr, there are some -1- kernels in sid, for >2.6.8, those also have -headers- but are not supported |
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| 15:37.02 | snail | hmmm, try "apt-get --reinstall install libc6-dev" ? |
| 15:37.15 | coolball | Thanks all you computer geniuses I added 1600x1200 to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and it magically added my other resolution options |
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| 15:37.44 | Thaiger | Does anyone know a linux preferably open source alternative to poser? |
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| 15:38.32 | J_P | hi all |
| 15:38.39 | rikva | Hi, is it dissuadable to keep running 'testing' now sarge has been released? I like to have recent stuff, but should i change it to 'testing' ? |
| 15:38.41 | scoperes | I am looking for a encoder for vob files anyone know of one? |
| 15:38.43 | scar_ | snail, now he installs the linux-kernel-header package |
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| 15:38.58 | J_P | people, why python install default in sarge install 2.3 and not 2.4 ? becouse in sarge have 2.4 too |
| 15:39.20 | snail | scar_: does the file exist now? |
| 15:39.25 | takatumi | Thaiger: what does it do? make you pose? |
| 15:39.25 | Azar | anyone knows if "feh" will be accepted by Sarge ? |
| 15:39.32 | scar_ | snail, yes |
| 15:39.40 | snail | does the thing compile now? |
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| 15:39.56 | nvz | J_P: maybe because most all the packages that depend on python need 2.3 and could not be changed or dropped |
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| 15:40.04 | arnon | how can I install gmake..? |
| 15:40.04 | scar_ | snail, yep worked fine!! |
| 15:40.07 | resiak | Azar: feh's in Debian. |
| 15:40.08 | scar_ | !thx |
| 15:40.08 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 15:40.11 | bobwJek | what is the diff between 3.1r0 and 3.1r0a ?????? |
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| 15:40.16 | Azar | thanks, resiak |
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| 15:40.17 | J_P | nvz: humm ok |
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| 15:40.22 | resiak | rikva: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change "sarge" to "testing" |
| 15:40.32 | snail | scar_: no problem |
| 15:40.32 | sparr | directhex|work: unfortunately the available debian-way package is an older version than the version in installed using nvidia-installer, and apparently the debian way wont overwrite it :( |
| 15:40.33 | nvz | J_P: its just a wild guess.. I use cplay and other python apps in sarge |
| 15:40.35 | resiak | bobwJek: The installer had a minor bug in r0 that's fixed in r0a |
| 15:40.43 | bobwJek | nice thanks resiak |
| 15:40.46 | rikva | resiak: I know how to do it :) but do you dissuade me to keep running testing? |
| 15:41.16 | resiak | rikva: No, as long as you subscribe to d-d-a and d-s-a so that you're in the loop regarding problems. |
| 15:41.22 | directhex|work | sparr, rephrase that, you confused me |
| 15:41.24 | freet15 | #debian-zh |
| 15:41.26 | streuner__ | vice vera of course |
| 15:41.27 | Azar | sparr: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 15:41.28 | ethics | sparr: its solveable.. |
| 15:42.05 | sparr | aha! |
| 15:42.05 | directhex|work | sparr, "dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)" |
| 15:42.05 | bobwJek | what is FEH? |
| 15:42.05 | sparr | the debian way and the nvidia installer put their modules in different places |
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| 15:42.13 | freet15 | how to get source of gnomemeeting? |
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| 15:42.30 | streuner__ | freet15: apt-get source package |
| 15:42.39 | Azar | bobwJek feh is http://www.linuxbrit.co.uk/feh/ |
| 15:42.40 | sparr | got it working by uninstalling the nvidia-installer module |
| 15:42.43 | resiak | bobwJek: apt-cache show feh |
| 15:42.46 | sparr | now, lets see if this survives a reboot |
| 15:42.46 | streuner__ | freet15: and add a source line in your sources.list, done. |
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| 15:42.51 | freet15 | Yes, |
| 15:43.04 | freet15 | which source line? |
| 15:43.06 | streuner__ | freet15: or simply use pdo (/msg dpkg pdo) |
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| 15:43.14 | freet15 | thanks |
| 15:43.15 | resiak | freet15: apt-get source gnomemeeting ? |
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| 15:43.25 | cy_` | hello, is there a way to check which files a .deb-package would write down ? |
| 15:43.35 | resiak | cy_`: You mean, what does it depend on? |
| 15:43.39 | cy_` | nope |
| 15:43.41 | streuner__ | resiak: thats what iam already told him, do you have me on your ignore-list? |
| 15:43.43 | Kaze | E: the package lists or status file could not be opened or parsed |
| 15:43.45 | Kaze | Wtf is this? |
| 15:43.45 | cy_` | where it would drop the files |
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| 15:43.58 | AigleDor | do you know when 3.1r0a iso's will be out? |
| 15:43.59 | freet15 | thank you, guys |
| 15:44.05 | resiak | streuner__: No -- I thought he was wondering what to put for "package". |
| 15:44.07 | takatumi | cy_`: post installation try dpkg -L <package> |
| 15:44.10 | bobwJek | Whats the Debian businesscard.iso? Just a basic recovery cd? |
| 15:44.11 | streuner__ | AigleDor: they are already out |
| 15:44.15 | cy_` | takatumi; ty :) |
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| 15:44.28 | AigleDor | streuner__> have a link? |
| 15:44.36 | takatumi | bobwJek: no it's a fully working debian-installer iso |
| 15:44.38 | directhex|work | bobwJek, an install cd |
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| 15:44.49 | streuner__ | AigleDor: the same URL you usually use to download isos.... |
| 15:45.16 | Lee__ | I migrated a sarge (testing) system to sarge stable and it removed KDE. I reinstalled KDE and now my fonts are aliased regardless if I tell them not to. |
| 15:45.18 | bobwJek | different from netinst |
| 15:45.22 | AigleDor | streuner__> are you talking about 3.1r0a? |
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| 15:45.27 | resiak | cy_`: man lesspipe, put appropriate stuff into your .${SHELL}rc, then less foo.deb |
| 15:45.36 | cy_` | wtf ? |
| 15:45.41 | freet15 | can you give me some URL about the Gnomemeeting source |
| 15:45.44 | streuner__ | AigleDor no, iam talking about badgers? |
| 15:45.47 | cy_` | takatumi; it was --contents cos i havent installed it yet.. but thnx for leading me into the right direction... |
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| 15:46.02 | resiak | cy_`: lesspipe is truly great, check it out. |
| 15:46.05 | jla | where's a debian place to hang network mounts that aren't intended to replace standard fs mounts (eg not /home and not /usr/local) /media? Some place new like /network ? |
| 15:46.07 | cy_` | okay i will |
| 15:46.09 | blueshoe | where can i get the original source for the "see" command? |
| 15:46.09 | cy_` | dhnx :) |
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| 15:46.16 | takatumi | cy_`: np. |
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| 15:46.23 | Kraig | !x.org |
| 15:46.24 | dpkg | <daniels> x.org won't make it into sid for at least a while, possibly ever. right now we're working on making the modular tree (fd.o) actually work and be useful with the xfree86/xorg drivers, and that's where debian is probably going. Ask me about 'xorg' for more up-to-date information. http://tinyurl.com/5uo7a, or http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909#installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 15:46.24 | Lee__ | jla: /mnt /media |
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| 15:46.47 | bobwJek | so whats the difference between the 30MB business card and the 108MB netinst images? |
| 15:47.01 | Kraig | !Xorg |
| 15:47.01 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 15:47.13 | directhex|work | bobwJek, the 108mb cd includes the base install packages, the 30mb cd downloads it on the fly |
| 15:47.18 | takatumi | Kraig: /msg dpkg foo |
| 15:47.23 | Kraig | takatumi: sorry |
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| 15:47.45 | AigleDor | streuner__> i mean the CORRECTED 3.1r0 iso images, are you sure they're out? |
| 15:47.55 | ttick | sparr_: so, how'd the reboot go? |
| 15:47.56 | bobwJek | thanks directhex, saved me the trouble of downloading it |
| 15:48.36 | jla | Lee I'd like a little fhs friendly, so /media and not /mnt/media for sure. What about /network? |
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| 15:48.44 | Lee__ | bobwJek: the larger one has more packages on it |
| 15:48.57 | PerfDave | bobwJek: The netinst image will give you a working system without an Internet installation, the business card won't. |
| 15:48.57 | mfrisch | Does anyone know why I get kernel panic can't find superblock on /...just dump/restore I have done fsck..no errors. Is my kernel borked? |
| 15:49.01 | bobwJek | does the new stable release come with the newer 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:49.07 | Lee__ | jla: you can consult the FHS spec. I don't know it by heart. |
| 15:49.09 | sparr_ | ttick: ctcp version me and find out :) |
| 15:49.12 | jharrisonwk | kernel compile takes 20 percent cpu |
| 15:49.16 | PerfDave | bobwJek: Debian 3.1 comes with 2.6.8 |
| 15:49.16 | bobwJek | PerfDave, I gotchya thanks very much |
| 15:49.20 | sparr_ | sadly this has all been for nothing :( |
| 15:49.23 | bobwJek | nice! |
| 15:49.27 | ethics | AigleDor, they are around...you do realise th a is 1 line... |
| 15:49.35 | sparr_ | 2.6.7 has other problems that make it unsuitable for me |
| 15:49.39 | Kaze | Arg |
| 15:49.43 | sparr_ | ill stick with 2.6.10 and just buy a new ide controller |
| 15:49.52 | ttick | mfrisch: usually it means the kernal doesn't have your filesystem compiled in as a non-module. :/ |
| 15:49.52 | jasoncohen | i've been reading about pinning but it seems to only pin a package to a specific version- to hold it back. Is there a way to tell the system to always install a particular package from unstable? |
| 15:49.54 | Kaze | What is the best way using like 3 apt-get commands, to upgrade m yrelease to sarge? |
| 15:50.05 | [Granger] | heh |
| 15:50.05 | AigleDor | ethics>Yes i know, can you give me a link plz |
| 15:50.11 | [Granger] | the latest 2.6 is a joke |
| 15:50.19 | takatumi | sparr_: and 2.6.10 works? |
| 15:50.19 | streuner__ | AigleDor: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00003.html |
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| 15:50.26 | mfrisch | ttick upgrade kernel I'm chrooted now... |
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| 15:50.38 | snail | Kaze: pipe sources.list though sed then do a dist-upgrade |
| 15:50.45 | ethics | bobwJek, actually thats misleading if you install with linux26 you have 2.6.8 kernel but if not you are on 2.4.27or31 ors oemwhere near there...you can howver just swap up |
| 15:50.47 | PerfDave | Kaze: Read the Sarge Release Notes about installing from older versions of Debian. |
| 15:50.48 | jla | Lee__ np at all. It doesn't give a place to stick it, so I'm wondering where other debian users may stick stuff like this. Where do people stick a random smb or nfs mount. |
| 15:50.55 | sparr_ | takatumi: no, broken driver for my controller since 2.6.8 :( |
| 15:50.56 | Lee__ | so, any ideas why my fonts are all aliased in KDE after updating from sarge(testing)->stable |
| 15:51.05 | blueshoe | anyone know where i can get the original source for the "see" command? |
| 15:51.07 | Lee__ | jla: I use /mnt |
| 15:51.13 | jasoncohen | Kaze, it's recommended that you use aptitude. apt-get update : aptitude install aptitude ; aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade |
| 15:51.16 | Kaze | PerfDave: I did, but earlir someone said like two apt-get lines that looked good |
| 15:51.19 | freet15 | thank you , Streuner__ |
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| 15:51.23 | Kaze | Okay |
| 15:51.25 | Kaze | I have aptitude |
| 15:51.26 | Kaze | Using that :D |
| 15:51.40 | mfrisch | ttick will try THANKS |
| 15:51.42 | ethics | Alleria, i havent got a link but there have been links flashed up tonight from people for ppc, dvd1 & 2 versions so there are definately versions around somewherre |
| 15:51.42 | jla | Lee__ so like /mnt/my_one_share and /mnt/my_other_share ? |
| 15:51.42 | jasoncohen | Kaze, you can replace --with-recommends with -r |
| 15:51.42 | AigleDor | streuner__>I read that, i was looking for these corrected images. Are they already out?? |
| 15:51.45 | takatumi | sparr_: tried .11? |
| 15:51.49 | Lee__ | jla: yup |
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| 15:51.52 | Wuffi600 | say hi |
| 15:52.08 | Lee__ | jla: and you can put them in /etc/fstab if you want them at boot time |
| 15:52.10 | ethics | Alleria, either version will do... |
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| 15:52.23 | streuner__ | AigleDor: hold on |
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| 15:52.36 | sparr_ | takatumi: they are testing fixes in 2.6.12 RCs, but nothing working yet |
| 15:52.46 | AigleDor | streuner__>ok |
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| 15:53.12 | takatumi | sparr_: ah. |
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| 15:55.24 | cahoot | sparr_: did you read what Alan Cox had to say about the removed driver? |
| 15:55.29 | sparr_ | cahoot: no, link? |
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| 15:55.37 | cahoot | sparr: happened to read this? http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/5/5/63 |
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| 15:56.13 | streuner__ | AigleDor: in short no |
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| 15:56.30 | sparr_ | cahoot: that sums it up nicely :) there is newer information regarding possible fixes in 2.6.12 RCs |
| 15:56.35 | sparr_ | but nothing is working yet |
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| 15:57.07 | takatumi | sparr_: screw it, buy a new one. :P |
| 15:57.16 | PerfDave | Kaze: Two apt-get lines is fine, but may break your system :) |
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| 15:57.38 | AigleDor | streuner__>ok |
| 15:57.39 | sparr_ | i recently encountered a VNC(ish) program that provided a java (i think) based viewer accessible via a web browser. what might that have been? |
| 15:57.52 | Lee__ | so...I'm a bit confused about my particular version of KDE being more "stable" when sarge was testing then sarge as stable. Am I alone? |
| 15:58.21 | streuner__ | AigleDor: its in CVS |
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| 15:59.13 | Lee__ | I guess I'm alone...:( |
| 15:59.30 | PerfDave | sparr_: A horrible nightmare? :) |
| 15:59.34 | Lee__ | perhaps I have a different version of Debian then the rest of those who upgraded to stable |
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| 15:59.38 | ethics | SPARR THE ORIGINAL VNCSERVER HAD A JAVA DOWNLOAD VIA BROWSER ON PORT 5800...NOT SURE WHICH IN DEBIAN |
| 15:59.50 | Lee__ | ewww, gross. stop screaming. |
| 15:59.57 | ethics | THE VIEWERS ARE VERY SMALL THO... |
| 16:00.01 | sparr_ | what ethics said :) but which one is the "original"? |
| 16:00.03 | ethics | bah caps sorry |
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| 16:00.08 | takatumi | that couldn't have been accidental. could it? |
| 16:00.12 | Lee__ | !shouting |
| 16:00.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, shouting is typing in ALL CAPS. It is considered rude and will likely not get a useful response. |
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| 16:01.09 | albo | when i boot the system (4x9G drives with a hardware disk controller) they are recognized as 1 36G drive. should i still need to do raid ? |
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| 16:01.27 | streuner__ | AigleDor: in short, the link at the website (d.o) is fixed and refers to a, but on some servers are still the old version |
| 16:01.29 | giupy | is "elmo" based on mutt ? |
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| 16:01.36 | Lee__ | oh well, I'll just start over and hope KDE "fixes itself" |
| 16:01.42 | streuner__ | !elmo |
| 16:01.42 | dpkg | hmm... elmo is at http://plaza.v-wave.com/bert/bert007.htm |
| 16:01.42 | takatumi | so anything interesting in unstable yet? |
| 16:01.47 | petemc | !+elm |
| 16:01.48 | dpkg | elm is probably the best damn mail reader ever created, with the possible exception of mailx |
| 16:01.52 | adobbie | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39202474,00.htm |
| 16:01.53 | petemc | giupy: no |
| 16:01.57 | adobbie | can someone translate that for me |
| 16:01.58 | ethics | albo raid is happening before debian so just need the controller loaded |
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| 16:02.06 | adobbie | I don't understand it |
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| 16:02.22 | petemc | giupy: the other way round perhaps |
| 16:02.35 | ethics | takatumi, gnome 2.1 rolling in so gnomes broken |
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| 16:02.55 | takatumi | ethics: sad. |
| 16:02.59 | giupy | petemc, oh, it seems mutt :) |
| 16:03.14 | shizz | how do I tell which version of tar I have? |
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| 16:03.28 | giupy | shizz, tar -v ? |
| 16:03.31 | streuner__ | shizz: dpkg -l tar |
| 16:03.56 | giupy | stupid answer :) |
| 16:03.58 | shizz | thank you, i found it. |
| 16:04.00 | shizz | tar --version |
| 16:04.01 | albo | ethics: if debian cd sees it as 36G doesnt that mean the controller is loaded? |
| 16:04.23 | AigleDor | streuner__>which link are you talking about? |
| 16:04.43 | ethics | albo yep..if its seen its all good |
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| 16:04.47 | streuner__ | AigleDor: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:05.02 | albo | ethics: but i want raid 5. should i do that through debian's utility ? |
| 16:05.54 | ethics | !tell adobbie disec |
| 16:06.03 | ethics | !tell adobbie about disec |
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| 16:06.47 | adobbie | ethics: what about automatic updates? |
| 16:06.59 | ethics | albo then you have to kill the raid on the onboard unless that has raid 5 then do it in debian.. |
| 16:07.38 | ethics | adobbie, if you change it to sarge or stable you get them if your planning on runninng test/etch then you dont get any |
| 16:07.53 | jasoncohen | awesome, OpenOffice 1.1.4 will be entering unstable today. |
| 16:07.57 | hid3 | Hello everyone.. I have 4 harddrives (3 ide and 1 sata) and I'm planning to run ftp. Is it possible to create an array so all drives will be recognized as one drive (volume)? My mainboard doesn't support any raid.. |
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| 16:08.05 | adobbie | ethics: does apt get called from a cron script or something? |
| 16:08.08 | albo | ethics: ok. when i set a partiation as "linux raid physical device" will i eventually be able to set it as ext3 ? |
| 16:08.25 | Lee__ | !ftp |
| 16:08.26 | dpkg | [ftp] (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 16:08.30 | streuner__ | jasoncohen: you might ask #debian-oo as well |
| 16:08.45 | streuner__ | s/might/should/ |
| 16:09.00 | takatumi | streuner__: s/should/could |
| 16:09.00 | jasoncohen | adobbie, there's a package called cron-apt which you can use to inform you of updates or to install updates if you're on sarge. it'll even email you telling you that you have updates or that they've been installed |
| 16:09.00 | ethics | adobbie, not unless you ask it to via a helper app |
| 16:09.16 | streuner__ | takatumi: :-P |
| 16:09.27 | ethics | adobbie, but you can manually get them at will |
| 16:09.35 | adobbie | ok, I was wondering what they were talking about with automatic updates |
| 16:09.35 | jasoncohen | streuner, i wasn't asking. i checked on packages.qa.deban.org and saw that 1.1.4-3 was accepted into unstable today and i already see i386 packages in incoming |
| 16:09.38 | cyrille_ | HI, I've just seen Sarge is now stable. My computer was in testing and apt-get update doesn't work anymore, should I turn iti stable? |
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| 16:09.46 | takatumi | streuner__: gave up on piespy? |
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| 16:10.08 | adobbie | I've never heard of anyone trusting automated package download and install |
| 16:10.13 | streuner__ | cyrille_: whats the problem |
| 16:10.18 | streuner__ | cyrille_: ? |
| 16:10.29 | takatumi | cyrille_: if you want to track sarge, change it to sarge or stable. leave it at testing to track testing. |
| 16:10.36 | AigleDor | streuner__>thanks, that's what i was looking for |
| 16:10.37 | streuner__ | takatumi: yes |
| 16:10.59 | cyrille_ | streuner, why doesn't it work anymore when I run apt-get update?? |
| 16:11.02 | ethics | albo, ext3 is the filesystem type so yes once you set up the raid you can then make efs3 partitions on it...before raid you should see 4 seperate drived in the installer then set up software raid |
| 16:11.12 | jasoncohen | adobbie, by default cron-apt just will download the updates and email you the results |
| 16:11.16 | takatumi | streuner__: something similar that could map to a real map would've been cool. |
| 16:11.33 | adobbie | jasoncohen: is it installed by default using d-i? |
| 16:11.46 | streuner__ | cyrille_: well, at a wild guess, because sarge became stable and there aren't any packages for testing atm? |
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| 16:12.10 | albo | ethics: ok. i think i will restart and try to turn off the hardware controller, or set that that raid5 from the bios |
| 16:12.13 | albo | ethics: thx |
| 16:12.37 | jasoncohen | adobbie, not sure. just apt-get install cron-apt. I created a security.sources.list file with only the sarge main contrib non-free and sarge/updates from security.debian.org - that way all automatic updates are official, tested bugfixes or security updates from the security team |
| 16:12.39 | ethics | albo np hope it goes well |
| 16:12.42 | giupy | anyone that use rt2500 driver ? |
| 16:12.46 | jla | cyrille_ did you have security in your sources.list? |
| 16:12.58 | cyrille_ | streuner, that is what I was thinking. but the question is : now that sarge is stable, can I turn my pc to stable? |
| 16:13.06 | cyrille_ | jla, yes i did |
| 16:13.08 | adobbie | jasoncohen: I think I will stick to supervised updates |
| 16:13.08 | ethics | struener near 900 new in testing aatm today |
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| 16:13.24 | jla | cyrille_ http://wiki.debian.net/?SourcesList |
| 16:13.26 | streuner__ | cyrille_: if you want sarge yes, if you want running testing leave it |
| 16:13.30 | freet15 | see u. guys, good night |
| 16:13.35 | jla | cyrille_ security went with sarge to stable |
| 16:13.43 | ethics | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html 784 on this one |
| 16:14.07 | jasoncohen | adobbie, ok, then you only need to change the email address and what is sent to you provided you've setup your MTA correct. Then edit /etc/cron.d/cron-apt and choose when you want cron-apt to run. by default it runs at 4 am |
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| 16:14.17 | streuner__ | ethics: uhm, iam running actually XP (i-net cafe) and my server runs sarge... |
| 16:14.57 | ethics | streuner: hehe time to ssh in and d a dist-pfrade then heheheh 8) |
| 16:15.20 | streuner__ | :-) |
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| 16:15.57 | ethics | some weirdnesses about some too.... |
| 16:16.45 | nomed^ | how can i encrypt a password .. as adduser makes? |
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| 16:17.14 | waltman | i have this line in my sources.list: "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free". has that been obsoleted by the sarge release? |
| 16:17.38 | streuner__ | waltman: change testing to sarge |
| 16:17.53 | PerfDave | waltman: Are you running testing/etch, or stable/sarge? Testing doesn't have security updates. |
| 16:17.54 | streuner__ | waltman: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:17.57 | ethics | hmm intresting it would seem theres a torrent called sony-dvddecryter .0001 release ....i wonder where that came from |
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| 16:18.02 | waltman | that worked until monday |
| 16:18.05 | oKtosiTe | waltman: testing will not have security anytime soon |
| 16:18.27 | jla | waltman: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianSarge |
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| 16:18.34 | waltman | i also have the same line for stable |
| 16:18.38 | oKtosiTe | waltman: testing only has security updates fairly short before a new release |
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| 16:19.09 | streuner__ | PerfDave: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00003.html |
| 16:19.13 | PerfDave | waltman: You may not have noticed, but we've had a new release ;) |
| 16:19.45 | waltman | yes. but i seem to have added those lines 3 years ago. :) |
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| 16:20.13 | PerfDave | Testing didn't have security updates three years ago. |
| 16:20.19 | waltman | hmm |
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| 16:20.58 | waltman | odd. oh well, that's what i suspected. |
| 16:21.39 | PerfDave | streuner: I'm aware of that |
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| 16:22.51 | varroa | I'm sure this has been discussed to death, but for those of us running sarge, what are the pros and cons of staying with stable versus tracking testing? |
| 16:23.21 | PerfDave | varroa: stable gives you security updates. testing gives you newer software. |
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| 16:24.11 | PerfDave | Stable will not break in unexpected ways, only in expected ones. |
| 16:24.30 | varroa | Will testing be particularly "unstable" for a while or will it have the stability it has had over, say, the past year or so? |
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| 16:24.37 | Kaze | I have a very technical question |
| 16:24.37 | ethics | varroa, most server run stable.......prodominant amount of desktops use testing but that only observation |
| 16:24.51 | Kaze | Can a gyro I put in the fridge 8 days ago be microwaved, and then eaten safely? |
| 16:24.56 | shizz | how do I access my cdrom through a terminal? |
| 16:25.11 | Ungy | Kaze does ti smell funny? |
| 16:25.20 | Kaze | Not really |
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| 16:25.24 | Kaze | but the fries with it are like rubber |
| 16:25.24 | Ungy | shizz is it mounted? |
| 16:25.25 | mwe | shizz: mount it, cd mount point |
| 16:25.27 | Kaze | Even after mcirowave |
| 16:25.29 | varroa | I agree with everyone's comments. I'm mostly wondering if there will be any significant "instability" in testing at this point. |
| 16:25.30 | jla | varroa I thought testing wasn't very stable (for desktop stuff) a year ago; June-Aug |
| 16:25.36 | shizz | how do I mount it? |
| 16:25.37 | Kaze | So I'm probably going to uninstall them from the plate |
| 16:25.40 | shivraj | why does my wireless card work better in linux ? |
| 16:25.43 | Ungy | shizz does that user have access to cdrom |
| 16:26.03 | shizz | with nautilus I can access the cdrom |
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| 16:26.06 | shivraj | Im using ndiswrapper |
| 16:26.07 | Ungy | shizz man mount |
| 16:26.07 | gogo3or | i have https://domain.com and i have redirectmach to mdoernbill i.e domain.com/modernbill but worldpay use link domain.com/include and i had 404 eror how to solve this thx for help |
| 16:26.18 | mwe | shizz: mount /media/cdrom propably |
| 16:26.20 | ethics | varroa, in theory testing shouldn't get catastophes but its still testing so be vigilant of upgraded packages |
| 16:26.36 | gogo3or | ln its works very nice but i need apache thing |
| 16:26.39 | Ungy | shivraj less spyware? |
| 16:26.45 | mwe | shizz: check /etc/fstab |
| 16:26.48 | sparr_ | lately ive been having a lot of trouble with scripts using /bin/sh reporting syntax errors. its too widespread to be specific to the packages, im suspecting a problem with sh |
| 16:27.12 | varroa | jla, it might depend on individual configs, but my two debian desktop boxes have been running testing for a year just fine. I'm just muddeling over wheather to stay at stable for a while or keep tracking testing. |
| 16:27.13 | Ungy | gogo3or try #apache |
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| 16:27.50 | EdibleText | sparr_, any other curious behavior? |
| 16:28.01 | sparr_ | EdibleText: not really, just lots of syntax errors |
| 16:28.10 | jla | ya, you'll get that theory but when new packages start flooding in and your desktop "doesn't work right" because half of one version is in and half of another and you bug it, you'll be told (correctly) that everything can't depend on everything. It's transitioning. |
| 16:28.17 | mwe | sparr_: ls -l /bin/sh - what's that give you |
| 16:28.27 | jasoncohen | the webpage ethics pasted shows 784 packages going in today. apt-get upgrade isn't showing any upgrades so I imagine it hasn't gone in yet. Is there a particular time of the day when packages migrate? |
| 16:28.35 | jla | varroa I'm sticking w/ sarge until a bit after some newer versions of stuff enter testing, then I'll decide |
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| 16:29.53 | ethics | jasoncohen, im on aarnet,edu,au which is live and upgrading atm some mirrors will be primetime and not updating as much atm |
| 16:29.57 | ethics | its 3 am here almost 8) |
| 16:30.14 | De_Mon | :( no matter how hard I try, I can't get this machine to crash. yet the stupid thing completely powers off on its own when i DON'T want it to. |
| 16:30.26 | varroa | Staying at stable is my inclination, as I "hear" that big changes are ahead -- new GCC, Xorg, etc -- and I've never used Debian testing through a significant transition period. |
| 16:30.30 | De_Mon | I need a magic hardware diagnostic program |
| 16:30.33 | EdibleText | sparr_, might not hurt to run a memtest86 upon your next power cycle |
| 16:30.34 | jasoncohen | ethics, i'm using http://ftp.debian.org |
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| 16:31.01 | FarrisG | I have a Xeon 3.2GHz box to which I'm about to add a second proc. After dropping the proc in and installing a 686-smp kernel, is there anything else I need to do to make sure debian makes full use of both procs? Any tuning I should perform? |
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| 16:31.41 | jasoncohen | when does a package's age start counting- when it's compiled on any arch and in unstable or when it's compiled on all archs? |
| 16:31.48 | ethics | jasoncohen, may not be the first to get them bizarre as it may seem |
| 16:32.14 | sparr_ | mwe: ive tried using bash and dash |
| 16:32.15 | varroa | Farr, I have a dual proc. I didn't do any particular tuning. There may be something I don't know about though. |
| 16:32.19 | jasoncohen | this is exciting...i began using testing after it was in a freeze so i never saw an avalanche of packages |
| 16:32.24 | sparr_ | EdibleText: have already dotday |
| 16:32.35 | shivraj | Ungy : no, Im in the same room, and in windows it used to not work a lot |
| 16:32.46 | shivraj | Ungy : didnt have any spyware in windows |
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| 16:33.28 | fas3r | hi |
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| 16:33.40 | Ungy | shivraj, shitty dfrivers? |
| 16:33.53 | mwe | sparr_: ok then that's not the problem |
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| 16:34.41 | FarrisG | varroa: Thanks. Is your dual-proc box used heavily? Any way to verify how well it has worked? These 15 boxes of mine, with one proc, hover right around load averages of 2 to 3 |
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| 16:35.47 | shivraj | Ungy : ndiswrapper, uses the windows drivers :) I guess the linux code is better and now I have the room door closed :) |
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| 16:36.38 | Ungy | shivraj, wierd well congrates on a fbetter connection |
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| 16:37.35 | varroa | Farr, you are going to laugh. mine is an old dual 550. It's my main box, but I don't use it heavily -- no games -- just a desktop for mail, work, coding, etc. |
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| 16:39.11 | varroa | Farr, my load is .3 -- not exactly heavily used. |
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| 16:39.46 | Fluten | how can i tell dhcp to fetch a new ip address for my eth0? |
| 16:39.55 | sparr_ | I was told Promise made good linux-friendly IDE controllers. The first one I have come up with is the Promise Ultra 100 TX2, but the first page of google hits for 'Promise Ultra 100 TX2 linux' shows a lot of problems. Can anyone provide anecdotal support for a pci IDE controller in linux? |
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| 16:40.32 | *** topic/#debian is SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | SID IS BACK, BAAAAAAYBE | INSTALLING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | non-us is part of main |
| 16:40.33 | varroa | You can have your interface make another request. It's up to the server to assign the actual IP. |
| 16:41.13 | varroa | Flu, whay do you need a different IP? |
| 16:41.36 | shivraj | Fluten : dhclient eth0 (make sure ure root or sudo) |
| 16:41.46 | Fluten | just been wondering how to manually change it, as i noticed it usually changes everytime i had reinstalled debian |
| 16:42.20 | FieldySnuts | unless you admin the dhcp server, it's not in your control |
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| 16:42.54 | varroa | Flu, what are you using as a DHCP server? Do you admin it? |
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| 16:43.47 | De_Mon | will dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null bs=40960 count=100000 effectively test an IDE controller? |
| 16:44.24 | Fluten | varroa, it's for my cable modem |
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| 16:44.38 | Fluten | hmm, anyone else notice the UI of google suddenly change? |
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| 16:45.02 | Fluten | or they must of just been testing something |
| 16:45.52 | varroa | Flu, so your cable provider is assigning IP addresses? If that's the case, you really don't have any control over what IP you have. My provider keeps my address the same for months at a time. Others may assign a diffferent IP every time you connect. |
| 16:46.28 | Fluten | also, when i used "dhclient eth0", it says "SIOCADDRT: File exists" |
| 16:46.34 | De_Mon | varroa your provider uses DHCP leases, does it not? |
| 16:46.40 | oKtosiTe | Fluten: looks normal to me, except from the usual logo makeover. |
| 16:46.59 | EdibleText | Fluten, maybe they changed the 'architecture' of the main page. (their honoring Frank Lloyd Wright) |
| 16:47.20 | Fluten | oKtosiTe, just had a sudden change to an all blue table at the top, but it's gone now, must of been a designer fooling around |
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| 16:47.36 | varroa | yes, my provider uses dhcp leases. |
| 16:47.50 | sbk | De_Mon guess it would atleast test whether sectors on your drive are readable :-) but I'm wondering whether a more random sequence of accesses will test your controller more |
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| 16:49.08 | De_Mon | sbk any suggestions? |
| 16:49.14 | FarrisG | Has anyone here every used systemimager? |
| 16:49.29 | sbk | De_Mon what particularly is it that you want to test anyway? (curious) |
| 16:50.01 | Vegar | anyone have any idea what could be trying to send packets to UDP port 8603? |
| 16:50.15 | sbk | De_Mon (or why do you want to test the ide controller, if that variant of the question makes more sense :-) |
| 16:50.17 | shingouz | FarrisG: how about telling us the real problem? it is a hell of a lot easier to answer that instead of conducting a poll |
| 16:50.23 | Vegar | 84128/87110 packets captured by ULOG has DPT=8603 |
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| 16:50.35 | Raulinho | hola |
| 16:50.38 | De_Mon | sbk I'm trying to figure out why this machine shutsoff randomly |
| 16:50.41 | Raulinho | alguien de Espña |
| 16:50.45 | shingouz | !es |
| 16:50.45 | Raulinho | España |
| 16:50.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:50.49 | Raulinho | para charlar un poco |
| 16:50.52 | keikoz | Vegar trojan maybee ? |
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| 16:51.00 | Vegar | keikoz: probably |
| 16:51.09 | Vegar | keikoz: didn't find much at google on it |
| 16:51.20 | De_Mon | sbk last time it died i just ran a /lastlog on a 30 day logfile in irssi.. and it's not the ram or cpu from other tests |
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| 16:52.22 | De_Mon | when i rebooted the first thing I ran was memtest, and it died again within 30sec |
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| 16:52.52 | sbk | De_Mon ah, interesting. So the memtest passed, and then it died, and nothing in the log files? So the machine literally just powers off? |
| 16:52.57 | De_Mon | but I've since ran memtest for 1 1/2 hours and cpu burnins etc |
| 16:53.01 | boris | hello everybody :) |
| 16:53.10 | shingouz | De_Mon: you sure the psu is ok? |
| 16:53.17 | shingouz | and 900 people say hi |
| 16:53.26 | PerfDave | De_Mon: I'd guess that your system is fucked ;) |
| 16:53.31 | De_Mon | sbk yeah. the power LED on the motherboard stays lit and woln't restart till I've shut the psu off |
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| 16:53.59 | De_Mon | sbk its a highquality 350W psu that shouldn't be drawing more than 250 at max load |
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| 16:54.10 | shingouz | !greetings K_Dallas |
| 16:54.26 | K_Dallas | hi guys! during the installation, fresh-sarge, i am asked what runlevel i need login.app to start in [2345], which one should i choose? thanks |
| 16:54.35 | K_Dallas | hello shingouz :) |
| 16:54.47 | Azar | how could I sign in a yahoo account with links? |
| 16:54.54 | mwe | is there supposed to be security updates for sid? cause I get file not found using "http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main" which the installer put there |
| 16:54.56 | sbk | De_Mon there may be some others here with better ideas than me on this. But going back to your IDE test idea, for this your dd trick might be as good as anything else is my 0.02 |
| 16:55.03 | Ungy | links? |
| 16:55.05 | asg | mwe: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:55.08 | shingouz | !hi K_Dallas |
| 16:55.09 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai K_Dallas! |
| 16:55.11 | Raulinho | alguien de España |
| 16:55.13 | Raulinho | ? |
| 16:55.14 | asg | !es |
| 16:55.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:55.17 | K_Dallas | ;) |
| 16:55.18 | Azar | !espanol |
| 16:55.19 | shingouz | !es Raulinho |
| 16:55.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:55.24 | jasoncohen | i wonder when ftp.debian.org will be updated to sarge. it's still running woody it seems. It has apache version 1.3.26 |
| 16:55.55 | asg | jasoncohen: there is no need to update it to sarge until woody support runs out or they decide to. |
| 16:56.32 | De_Mon | sbk any ideas on how to test the psu without removing it from the pc? |
| 16:56.33 | Azar | apt-get install firefox does not work, how do I do it? |
| 16:56.42 | asg | Azar: mozilla-firefox |
| 16:56.44 | Ungy | Azar mozilla-firefox |
| 16:56.47 | Azar | thanks guys |
| 16:56.50 | asg | Azar: and in the future, use apt-cache search to find stuff |
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| 16:57.02 | sbk | De_Mon I think if you want to test more code in the controller, then you could try accessing random blocks rather than sequentially, but that sounds like overkill for what you're trying to eliminate as a root cause |
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| 16:57.29 | sbk | De_Mon hm.. nope, don't have any good ideas about that, sorry |
| 16:57.44 | QUACH-VU | hi if i want to install mysql-server (3.23.49-8.13) what should i use this command apt-get install .....? |
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| 16:57.53 | EdibleText | De_Mon, are your fans working? |
| 16:58.07 | shingouz | !tell QUACH-VU about search |
| 16:58.18 | K_Dallas | _!tell me about login.app runlevel ;) |
| 16:58.22 | Ungy | QUACH-VU, why wooudl you want to use that old beast of a version |
| 16:58.25 | De_Mon | EdibleText yup |
| 16:58.41 | EdibleText | De_Mon, perhaps your thermal shutdown is set low |
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| 16:58.50 | EdibleText | De_Mon, in bios |
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| 16:58.57 | QUACH-VU | i have proble with mysql client --- cant login with mysql 4.1 |
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| 16:59.11 | shingouz | K_Dallas: from memory, login.app runlevel is bigger than a breadbox :p |
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| 16:59.19 | De_Mon | EdibleText running at 100% cpu for an hour, I would have expected something like that to trigger already |
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| 16:59.24 | Ungy | QUACH-VU, go to #mysql I will help you there |
| 16:59.25 | QUACH-VU | it says mysql client is old to connect to mysql server |
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| 16:59.53 | K_Dallas | :):) ok |
| 16:59.57 | EdibleText | De_Mon, it self cycled during memtest? |
| 17:00.02 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 17:00.08 | shingouz | K_Dallas: and now i sure could use a botsnack ;) |
| 17:00.19 | EdibleText | !botsnack shingouz |
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| 17:00.29 | shingouz | gee, thanks, EdibleText |
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| 17:00.35 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:00.40 | Usiu | Hi |
| 17:00.42 | K_Dallas | that sounds terrible as snak ;) |
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| 17:01.08 | Usiu | Any apache maintainers here ?? |
| 17:01.10 | shingouz | !rape |
| 17:01.11 | dpkg | vt. 1. To screw someone or something, violently; in particular, to destroy a program or information irrecoverably. Often used in describing file-system damage. "So-and-so was running a program that did absolute disk I/O and ended up raping the master directory." 2. To strip a piece of hardware for parts. |
| 17:01.19 | De_Mon | EdibleText it doesnt cycle, just powers off (motherboard led stays lit) and will not reset till motherboard loses all power (turn off PSU for a few seconds) |
| 17:01.28 | Usiu | Any apache2 package maintainers here ?? |
| 17:01.29 | shingouz | dpkg: pbbblt |
| 17:01.58 | De_Mon | the first thing I thought was a overheating shutdown, but I can't find evidence to support that idea |
| 17:02.15 | shingouz | Usiu: how about asking something else, something about the problem you have with apache |
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| 17:02.17 | sparr_ | I want to run xplanet every hour to update my desktop image. What is the best way to accomplish that? |
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| 17:02.40 | Usiu | shingouz, missing mod_filter included in apache 2.1 |
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| 17:02.55 | sobersabre | will setting password field to be ! in passwd file disable a user ? |
| 17:02.57 | shingouz | Usiu: the channel, not me |
| 17:03.19 | De_Mon | maybe I just need to flash the bios or something corney. If it were a bios or common mb problem, I'd expect more from google on the subject. |
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| 17:03.32 | Usiu | shingouz, thats why I am asking about apache maintainers.. |
| 17:03.41 | sbk | De_Mon I dont know how accessible the various components are, but I'm wondering if you could eliminate the disk subsystem by just disconnecting it and booting off a rescue floppy or something and running your tests that cause it to poweroff |
| 17:03.45 | sobersabre | like user:x:1001:1001:Descr:/home/user:/bin/tcsh i change x to ! |
| 17:03.52 | shingouz | Usiu: dammit... /msg dpkg ask |
| 17:03.54 | Usiu | When there will be apache 2.1 (with mod_filter) in debian ?? |
| 17:03.59 | tech13 | silly question, i've downloaded 3.1 via BT, would i be better off downloading 3.1a via BT after renaming the file or jigdo? |
| 17:04.00 | EdibleText | De_Mon, have you a compatible mobo for your mem and proc. you could isolate the mobo in that way |
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| 17:04.13 | shingouz | Usiu: what version of debian you run? |
| 17:04.14 | Mazzy | hello, I'm downloadind DVD iso-image but the size is screwed only about 370 and 170 MB, Why ? |
| 17:04.14 | drasko | is there a good swf player? |
| 17:04.24 | Usiu | shingouz, testing |
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| 17:04.42 | Usiu | shingouz, unstable also has 2.0 |
| 17:04.50 | sbk | De_Mon but you probably have an integrated ide controller :-) hm... that seems like too far out to be an issue to tell the truth |
| 17:05.02 | shingouz | Usiu: sit tight and wait for a while, etch is not really changing yet, stuff will trickle down very soon i think |
| 17:05.17 | Bac9 | a word of caution, slapd and postgresql do not update to sarge properly (tend to loose their databases) so posible consequences is being totally locked out of the system (like me) |
| 17:05.27 | Mazzy | I've used IE and Firefox, both report me the size of file about 370 and 170, anyone can help me to sort it out ? |
| 17:05.39 | shingouz | Bac9: bugreport, perhaps? |
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| 17:05.48 | snail | Bac9: document the issues |
| 17:06.24 | Bac9 | shingouz, snail: first I have to get the box usable, no ldap means no pam-ldap means no login |
| 17:06.26 | boris | i'm very sorry if the question i'm going to ask has already been asked, but i wanted to know when debian-etch net-inst iso images are going to be officially released |
| 17:06.37 | snail | Bac9: we're ___very___ interested in bug reports, especially those that involve data-loss |
| 17:06.39 | shingouz | Mazzy: i have heard about that issue, i just do not remember what the solution is. try jigdo. also, do not repeat that soon |
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| 17:06.54 | EdibleText | De_Mon, you may want to clean some dust build up off the IC pins (usually heavy outwards from the heatsink fins). |
| 17:06.59 | Bac9 | snail: it's more of error in data conversion, so the system is left useless |
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| 17:07.20 | Bac9 | snail: aparently both of them changed their databases, and the migration didn't work |
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| 17:07.32 | lamp_ | hi my fonts are to small of xmms and xcdroast how can i get them bigger |
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| 17:07.40 | Bac9 | snail: still trying to figure out how to fix it, but just wanted to come and say a word of caution |
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| 17:08.44 | *** topic/#debian is SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | SID IS BACK, BAAAAAAYBE | INSTALLING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | non-us is part of main |
| 17:09.28 | boris | i'm very sorry if the question i'm going to ask has already been asked, but i wanted to know when debian-etch net-inst iso images are going to be officially released |
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| 17:09.59 | shingouz | boris: that will take some time. netinstall sarge and do a dist-upgrade |
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| 17:10.59 | shingouz | boris: if you really aim for etch, keep the original sarge isntall real small, just a console and dist-upgrade immediately. only after that start installing packets on earnest |
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| 17:12.36 | Error_X | When I try to install debian it stops on: Loading module 'ide-cd' for 'Linux ATAPI CD-ROM'... (Installing from a netinstall cd) |
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| 17:14.00 | sobersabre | bye all |
| 17:15.25 | samuel | anyone know why cups may not be printing postscript? it prints raw, but not PS files? AND it prints PS files fine on localhost, but not from other computers on the network??? any ideas? |
| 17:15.44 | cahoot | samiam: you need eps-ghostscript |
| 17:15.45 | leonel | Can I install Sarge booting from the ethernet ? |
| 17:16.04 | shingouz | leonel: i think so, read up on the install manual |
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| 17:16.42 | lex | Um... How do i tell who is a nickserv admin? |
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| 17:18.06 | samuel | cahoot, i see, thanks... should everything be enabled by default after that? |
| 17:18.28 | cahoot | samuel: sorry - I misread your input - disregard |
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| 17:20.35 | samuel | its just odd - but it prints raw fine from the network |
| 17:20.39 | oKtosiTe | lex, #FreeNode might be a better place to ask |
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| 17:21.05 | _ericb | anyone knows a good application that returns the amount of ram used by a process, printed on stdout unlike top ? |
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| 17:21.33 | oKtosiTe | _ericb: top can do that. |
| 17:21.57 | _ericb | top can print to stdout and not to a curse-based program ? ok gonna read man |
| 17:22.00 | lide | i have in my apt sources.list file deb http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/mirros/debian/ testing main, and if i try apt-get update it give errors: http://phpfi.com/65132 |
| 17:22.12 | lide | what is wrong? |
| 17:22.21 | _ericb | oKtosiTe I really look for something like ps that dumps the amount of ram used by process |
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| 17:22.37 | Neverth | guess what...the day srage went stable i changed all to testing, just today i discovered it wans't sarge....annoing |
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| 17:23.32 | _ericb | top -b ok thanks |
| 17:23.42 | oKtosiTe | _ericb: "top -bn1 |grep yourprocess" might work |
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| 17:24.27 | jimandthetwins | if I was previously running sarge, should there be any problems switching my sources list to stable and doing a dist-upgrade? |
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| 17:25.11 | lide | Neverth: i change testing to stable, but same errors still. |
| 17:25.14 | lex | Bhaal, hey... im having nickserv troubles.... would you lend a hand? |
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| 17:25.32 | peritus | jimandthetwins: well, sarge is stable now. apt-get upgrade should make it |
| 17:25.36 | oKtosiTe | jimandthetwins: no |
| 17:25.48 | Neverth | well im trying to "downgrade" to sarge |
| 17:26.15 | oKtosiTe | jimandthetwins: change to stable and apt-get update, you should be fine |
| 17:26.41 | astronut | jimandthetwins: better yet...cahnge sources to "sarge" |
| 17:26.50 | Neverth | i dit that |
| 17:26.53 | Neverth | did* |
| 17:26.58 | oKtosiTe | Neverth: testing didn't change since sarge got released, a.f.a.i.k. |
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| 17:27.13 | Neverth | but its taking ages with this connection and p133mhz |
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| 17:27.31 | Starfury^ | ifconfig isnt workign |
| 17:27.33 | Neverth | ok |
| 17:27.36 | Starfury^ | getting invalid command error |
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| 17:28.04 | Starfury^ | doh |
| 17:28.05 | Starfury^ | ignore me |
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| 17:28.11 | oKtosiTe | Neverth: I can't quite put my finger on your problem, can you explain more clearly? |
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| 17:28.22 | jimandthetwins | so if I was running sarge as unstable, just doing an upgrade should be fine, but I should probably dist-upgrade to go from woody correct? |
| 17:28.29 | Neverth | infact no problem |
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| 17:28.56 | Neverth | not that i couldn't handle myself but 1 question |
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| 17:29.18 | oKtosiTe | Neverth: anyway, if you want to stick with sarge, instead of tag along with testing, you should change your sources.list before testing gets some action again |
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| 17:29.42 | Pumpkin_Pie | because you dont know mee! |
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| 17:30.07 | jimandthetwins | when is etch goint to be stable |
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| 17:30.24 | oKtosiTe | jimandthetwins: when it's ready |
| 17:30.28 | chmj | hello |
| 17:30.41 | chmj | does sarge come with a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 17:30.51 | oKtosiTe | chmj: yes |
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| 17:31.13 | theD3viL | How to set up Shockwave Flash Media in konqueror?? |
| 17:31.17 | Neverth | at irc theres the nick!user@blah and since upgrade it's been nick!~user@blah and cuz the "~" i got no auto-ops anymore |
| 17:31.20 | oKtosiTe | chmj: 2.4.27, I think |
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| 17:31.29 | jla | Neverth http://wiki.debian.net/?SourcesList |
| 17:31.41 | Kooky | evening |
| 17:31.43 | peter | hi, i made the dist-upgrade today... not reading enough about mdadm, so my raid 1 array that I created with raidtools2 stoped working... the messages I get when running dkpg-reconfigure mdadm are very confusing... |
| 17:31.50 | EdibleText | dpkg wiegtbs is When its ready, jeeezus.. |
| 17:31.50 | Neverth | no need for that |
| 17:31.50 | dpkg | EdibleText: okay |
| 17:31.54 | peter | how do I convert the array, without losing data !? |
| 17:32.01 | oKtosiTe | Neverth: that's your IRC client, not Debian |
| 17:32.15 | Pumpkin_Pie | sarge is stable ? |
| 17:32.15 | Neverth | but it does it with all |
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| 17:32.37 | Neverth | i even installed the same bitchx i had on woody and it still does that |
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| 17:32.54 | Pumpkin_Pie | is it pronounced SARG or sayage? |
| 17:32.57 | Neverth | so i reinstalled new and now im pondering |
| 17:33.30 | beth | Pumpkin_Pie: "sarj" |
| 17:33.39 | oKtosiTe | Neverth: perhaps I'm wrong... |
| 17:34.04 | Pumpkin_Pie | beth: so like SAR G/J and not say-age? |
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| 17:34.08 | Neverth | it does it with all clients |
| 17:34.09 | EdibleText | sarge. rhymes with charge! |
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| 17:34.17 | beth | yeah |
| 17:34.23 | Pumpkin_Pie | beth: are you hott |
| 17:34.26 | beth | and "barge" and "large" |
| 17:34.30 | beth | Pumpkin_Pie: fuck off |
| 17:34.33 | EdibleText | Marge |
| 17:34.38 | tkooda | what is the difference between the "debian-30r6-i386-binary-1.iso", "debian-update-3.0r6-i386-1.iso", and "debian-update-3.0r6-i386-2.iso" images? |
| 17:34.38 | Error_X | When I try to install debian it stops on: Loading module 'ide-cd' for 'Linux ATAPI CD-ROM'... (Installing from a netinstall cd) |
| 17:34.39 | oKtosiTe | Neverth: then I must be wrong... |
| 17:34.40 | Kooky | hmm just like the person in toy-story |
| 17:34.58 | oKtosiTe | Kooky: all Debian releases bear a toy-story name |
| 17:35.06 | Kooky | i know |
| 17:35.21 | Pumpkin_Pie | what toy story name is sarge? |
| 17:35.22 | oKtosiTe | Kooky: the "hmm" confuzzled me |
| 17:35.25 | peter | does anyone know how to migrate from raidtools2 -> mdadm ? |
| 17:35.33 | EdibleText | 'Sarge' has a big sound |
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| 17:35.36 | Kooky | oh ok sorry |
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| 17:35.49 | Neverth | annyway im going to try as old bitchx as i can find |
| 17:35.52 | Pumpkin_Pie | big sounds dont have something to do with toy story |
| 17:36.09 | Ronin | Pumpkin_Pie: sarge was the name of one of the toy soldiers as i recall |
| 17:36.19 | Pumpkin_Pie | crazy |
| 17:36.32 | shingouz | Ronin: toy story as all debian codenames |
| 17:36.34 | EdibleText | yeah a likkle green man |
| 17:37.06 | Pumpkin_Pie | wow that IS crazy |
| 17:37.20 | Pumpkin_Pie | who is responsible for naming? |
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| 17:37.42 | EdibleText | Methinks Ian... though thats a guess |
| 17:38.16 | shingouz | Pumpkin_Pie: so what should the releases be named then? jason? freddie? :p |
| 17:38.31 | tkooda | does anyone know what the heck the "debian-update-3.0r6-i386-1.iso" image is? |
| 17:38.32 | Kooky | hehe |
| 17:38.51 | shingouz | tkooda: just the latest security patches for the woody |
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| 17:39.07 | shingouz | s/the woody /woody |
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| 17:39.22 | shingouz | heh. i need to dpkg -i caffeine ;) |
| 17:39.27 | tkooda | shingouz, aren't those in "debian-30r6-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso"? |
| 17:39.38 | Pumpkin_Pie | hahah http://www.halifax.it/best/toystory2/centerarmy.htm |
| 17:40.06 | shingouz | tkooda: those are the non-us things. either one, whatever floats your boat (or whatever your system is done in) |
| 17:40.26 | Kepplar | hey people, what kernel type would an opteron require? |
| 17:40.45 | bobwJek | anyone know how I can auto launch my WMND monitor in ICEwm |
| 17:40.46 | Kooky | is there a website for debian projects where they search some people who can help? (not just like a list of projects more like "we search ....") |
| 17:40.49 | Sanne | Pumpkin_Pie: here's the naming explained: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html#s-codenames |
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| 17:41.27 | shingouz | !opteron Kepplar |
| 17:41.36 | shingouz | bah. that doesnt work |
| 17:41.43 | shingouz | !tell Kepplar about opteron |
| 17:42.03 | shingouz | bobwJek: .xsession? |
| 17:42.14 | Kepplar | shingouz: cheers |
| 17:42.15 | tkooda | shingouz, the "debian-30r6-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso" is just "debian-30r6-i386-binary-1.iso" plus some non-US things.. that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking weither or not "debian-30r6-i386-binary-1{,_NONUS}.iso" already has the updates that are in "debian-update-3.0r6-i386-2.iso"? |
| 17:42.18 | bobwJek | im new to all this xwindoes stuff |
| 17:42.24 | shingouz | Kooky: check the debian website, i think it is there |
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| 17:42.57 | shingouz | tkooda: they are different, non-us used to have some encryption stuff that the us version lacked |
| 17:43.05 | shingouz | bobwJek: man xsession |
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| 17:43.17 | bobwJek | shingouz, excellent thanks |
| 17:43.23 | bobwJek | pointed me in the right dir |
| 17:43.37 | shingouz | bobwJek: you already found out how to do it? nice |
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| 17:44.11 | tkooda | shingouz, again; you're missig my point. pelase ignore I ever said "_NONUS". does "debian-30r6-i386-binary-1.iso" already have all the updates that exist in "debian-update-3.0r6-i386-2.iso"? |
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| 17:44.33 | yoo | finale rugby |
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| 17:45.01 | bobwJek | shingouz, i use run-parts right?? |
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| 17:45.04 | QUACH-VU | if i want to install mysql 3.23.49-8.13 what command should i use? |
| 17:45.04 | bobwJek | im still reading man |
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| 17:45.16 | shingouz | tkooda: i am not sure, i havent used the cd's in ages |
| 17:45.30 | shingouz | QUACH-VU: apt-cache search mysql |
| 17:45.35 | tkooda | shingouz, aah. thanks anyway |
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| 17:45.53 | shingouz | QUACH-VU: that tells you which packages are available, man apt-get for info how to install |
| 17:46.30 | shingouz | tkooda: go sarge in anycase, sarge has been stable for a couple of days already ;) |
| 17:46.50 | lide | okay now my apt-get works good, now i try apt-get remove exim4-base, it try remove mysql-server too, but i willn't remove it, how i can remove only exim4-base |
| 17:46.52 | exerd | where can i find Debian GNU/Linux 3.1. net installer? |
| 17:47.05 | Isumi | debian.org ? |
| 17:47.12 | QUACH-VU | i cant find mysql 3.2 .. |
| 17:47.27 | QUACH-VU | i see that in http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/misc/mysql-server there is mysql mysql-server (3.23.49-8.13) |
| 17:47.33 | exerd | Isumi, yea but im looking for a directlink |
| 17:47.39 | lide | exerd: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 17:48.00 | shingouz | QUACH-VU: why the hell do you want to run that ancient version in the first place? |
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| 17:48.13 | Isumi | on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ if it's up to date |
| 17:48.21 | QUACH-VU | i have problem with mysql old client |
| 17:49.04 | shingouz | QUACH-VU: if you *really* want to run it, get the packages onto your hd and dpkg -i them |
| 17:49.13 | QUACH-VU | thanks |
| 17:49.35 | exerd | how do i know if i have a i386? |
| 17:49.44 | theD3viL | Anyone knows how to set up Shockwave Flash Media in konqueror?? |
| 17:49.53 | shingouz | exerd: what cpu do you have? |
| 17:50.05 | shingouz | !anyone |
| 17:50.06 | dpkg | somebody said anyone was ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 17:50.38 | exerd | shingouz, its an amd 2200+ i think |
| 17:50.43 | shingouz | i386 |
| 17:51.06 | iostream | Hi.. If I have eth0 configured and eth0:1 configured.. Can I bring down eth0, without bringing down eth0:1 ? |
| 17:51.09 | exerd | shingouz, Ok thanks |
| 17:51.22 | shingouz | exerd: basically if the thing is capable of running windows it is an intel compatible (i386) |
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| 17:51.28 | j_k | iostream: ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 17:51.35 | shingouz | exerd: some exceptions do apply, though |
| 17:51.55 | Azar | what is a " non E window manager" ? |
| 17:52.05 | iostream | j_k: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 17:52.10 | Sanne | iostream: ifup eth0, ifdown eth0? |
| 17:52.10 | exerd | shingouz, Ok thank you very much! |
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| 17:52.23 | nvz | Azar: thats just a window manager. E is not a window manager, its an eyecandy manager |
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| 17:52.47 | j_k | iostream: doesn't it bring eth0:1 down too? |
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| 17:52.51 | shingouz | nvz: so a non E is a non-blingbling then? :p |
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| 17:53.20 | nvz | shingouz: E is an example of going beyond the duties of a WM and wasting resources |
| 17:53.31 | iostream | j_k: Exactly my question too |
| 17:53.46 | shingouz | nvz: blingbling == E then i guess ;) |
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| 17:54.07 | j_k | well, try it, but ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 will disable IP from being used without bringing the insterface down. |
| 17:54.16 | j_k | interface |
| 17:54.25 | Azar | thanks nvz, will this be correct if I setup USERXSESSION=$HOME/ .Xsession eval `cat $HOME/.fehbg` ? |
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| 17:55.24 | iostream | j_k: Okay, I guess I will have to try it out.. |
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| 17:55.42 | sgeigerbot | dpkg, tbinos is too bad it's not open source |
| 17:55.43 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: okay |
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| 17:56.09 | shingouz | tbinos? |
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| 17:56.18 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: "too bad it's not open source" |
| 17:56.29 | shingouz | oh, aconym. sorry :) |
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| 17:56.35 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: I say that all the time. I need an acronym. |
| 17:56.43 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 17:56.54 | shingouz | i say it too for that matter... |
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| 17:57.27 | Azar | ok an easier question: (read stupid question) what ~/ represents? |
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| 17:57.34 | sgeigerbot | Azar: home dir |
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| 17:57.42 | sgeigerbot | Azar: cd /; cd ~/; pwd |
| 17:57.47 | Azar | thanks sgeigerbot |
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| 17:57.55 | shingouz | Azar: ~/ sweet ~/ |
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| 17:58.01 | toonX | anybody installed succesfully the ATI drivers on XFree86 4.3.0 ? |
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| 17:58.19 | tarzeau | toonX: fglrx? yes |
| 17:58.27 | toonX | tarzeau: yes fglrx |
| 17:58.56 | toonX | tarzeau: cool, can i get it with apt ? |
| 17:58.58 | Nolius | hello, where is the debian mentor channel? |
| 17:59.07 | Nolius | please :-D |
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| 17:59.23 | Stereo | hi folks. i have a kernel question that's not in the FAQ. I took the sources for 2.6.11 from k.o, used make oldconfig with the debian 2.6.8 image and I get a panic that says this: VFS: Cannot open root device "341" or unknown-block(3,65). With the old kernel it said it was loading a cramfs filesystem. I've only got initrd=/initrd.img.old in LinuxOLD in lilo. what am I doing wrong? |
| 17:59.24 | tarzeau | toonX: no |
| 17:59.28 | tarzeau | toonX: it's not free software |
| 17:59.34 | sgeigerbot | toonX: tbinos |
| 17:59.57 | toonX | sgeigerbot: tbinos ? what is that , repositories? |
| 18:00.03 | sgeigerbot | !+tbinos |
| 18:00.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tbinos is too bad it's not open source |
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| 18:00.14 | shingouz | Stereo: do the same but remove the initrd, compile the bus, disk and root filesystem drivers statically into the kernel and recompile |
| 18:00.23 | sgeigerbot | damn, that could come in handy |
| 18:00.23 | toonX | sgeigerbot: oh i see |
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| 18:00.41 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: next you are probably going to make a keybind for it |
| 18:01.08 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: That's funny. You know me better than I know myself. |
| 18:01.17 | toonX | tarzeau: so, how can i install it ? downloading the drivers from ati's web page? |
| 18:01.41 | tarzeau | toonX: more or less |
| 18:01.41 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: that was just a thought.... i have been sitting on this channel for too long already and i am picking up bad habits from y'all |
| 18:01.47 | tarzeau | toonX: or just use the "vesa" driver |
| 18:01.51 | Stereo | shingouz: so in other words, xfs and ata right in the kernel. I thought I'd thought of that... |
| 18:02.06 | toonX | tarzeau: dont have glx on vesa! |
| 18:02.15 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: should I have a factoid on you by now? |
| 18:02.16 | tarzeau | toonX: that's true |
| 18:02.19 | shingouz | Stereo: ata, pci and xfs statically, yes. that way you do not need the initrd at all |
| 18:02.22 | toonX | tarzeau: what do you mean more or less ? |
| 18:02.32 | tarzeau | toonX: well you need to do a bit more than just download it |
| 18:02.33 | toonX | tarzeau: is there a better way you know about ? |
| 18:02.36 | Stereo | pci? Maybe that's what I forgot |
| 18:02.37 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: im not sure, am i such a notable presence here already? |
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| 18:03.00 | toonX | tarzeau: sure, a bit of tweaking is expected |
| 18:03.07 | tarzeau | toonX: no. send a mail to @ati.com and @nvidia.com asking for free software drivers |
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| 18:03.16 | shingouz | Stereo: the point is, the kernel has to have *everything* it needs to access the root filesystem statically or you have to use initrd |
| 18:03.19 | tarzeau | toonX: i don't care. i don't need glx |
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| 18:03.38 | tarzeau | toonX: i play 2d games like HTTP://BUB-N-BROS.SF.NET/ |
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| 18:03.58 | toonX | tarzeau: i see, so you have never installed fglrx did you? |
| 18:04.07 | tarzeau | toonX: yes i did! didn't i tell you? |
| 18:04.08 | Gathond | tarzeau: nice :), is it a good clone? |
| 18:04.10 | Stereo | shingouz: is there an easy way to find out what it needs? |
| 18:04.14 | tarzeau | toonX: i did, but on my brothers computer |
| 18:04.16 | toonX | tarzeau: yes you did |
| 18:04.21 | tarzeau | Gathond: TEH. BESTEST. |
| 18:04.25 | shingouz | Stereo: you just need to know your hardware |
| 18:04.25 | tarzeau | Gathond: multiplayer up to 10 DRAGONS |
| 18:04.28 | tarzeau | Gathond: #bub-n-bros |
| 18:04.37 | shingouz | Stereo: clone or brand name box? |
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| 18:04.43 | toonX | tarzeau: so how did you do it ? |
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| 18:05.03 | Gathond | tarzeau: actually I dont care much for that:) but to how similar to the C64 version from my youth the inplementation is :) |
| 18:05.24 | toonX | tarzeau: fglrx config i belive generates an xorg config right ? |
| 18:05.31 | tarzeau | toonX: i don't remember, it's like 2-3 months ago |
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| 18:05.38 | tarzeau | toonX: i don't have xorg |
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| 18:05.47 | tarzeau | toonX: you talk about xfree86, and then suddenly change to xorg |
| 18:05.51 | tarzeau | toonX: i never said anything about xorg |
| 18:05.55 | tarzeau | toonX: xorg doesn't exist |
| 18:05.59 | dobby | i have a little question. I've bought a illuminated keyboard that needs no drivers to get the backlight. But there is a key on the keyboard to activate it which linux does not understand. Is there a posslibility to activate it? |
| 18:06.10 | toonX | tarzeau: no you don't but have xorg , but the ati drivers generate an xorg.conf |
| 18:06.10 | tarzeau | Gathond: more like the amiga/atari versions |
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| 18:06.17 | tarzeau | toonX: no you don't have xorg |
| 18:06.23 | tarzeau | toonX: it doesn't exist |
| 18:06.27 | toonX | tarzeau: uhm? |
| 18:06.33 | leOn | how can i merge several files with a2ps ? |
| 18:06.46 | Gathond | tarzeau: those are very similar I believe |
| 18:06.57 | shingouz | dobby: you have done a real serious google on the thing, haven't you? |
| 18:06.58 | toonX | tarzeau: how comes ? is not in use in Ubuntu i belive |
| 18:07.07 | toonX | tarzeau: is not ? |
| 18:07.46 | Stereo | shingouz: clone a friend gave me, weird asus mobo. No idea of what's inside really. But AFAIK it's just plain dumb ATA for the IDE disks. Do you reckon ide_generic, ide_disk, ide_core and xfs should be enough? |
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| 18:07.56 | toonX | tarzeau: ok , how do you call it then ? |
| 18:07.57 | K_Dallas | Hi again from my new sarge ;) It took me over 12 hours, not consecutive;), to set up this beast and all that with 14CDs not netinstall ! |
| 18:07.59 | leOn | i mean ... i have say 6 files, and want each to take half A4 page (portrait), using a total of 3 sheets |
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| 18:08.09 | Azar | how do I append an option line to my USERXSESSION line in /.Xsession ? |
| 18:08.14 | dobby | of course i have there is no howto man. But if you know one i would be very glad to read it |
| 18:08.14 | Nolius | I added 2 entry in the Requested packages list, how many time it takes for a appl to become a package? |
| 18:08.25 | exerd | is it hard to understand how to share the internet to another computer through debian? i use 2 nics and a crossed tpcable |
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| 18:08.53 | K_Dallas | Could anyone please give me a few essential lines for sources.list for sarge? right now i only have CDs in mine and i have no intention to mess up my installtion. appreciate it |
| 18:08.55 | dobby | shingouz:of course i have there is no howto man. But if you know one i would be very glad to read it |
| 18:09.03 | Azar | ... I mean what is the required format ... continue the USERXSESSION line or add a separate line below it? |
| 18:09.08 | tarzeau | whats the file permission faq? |
| 18:09.10 | Eclipser | K_Dallas, use apt-setup |
| 18:09.12 | shingouz | Stereo: if you know the exact chipset of the thing and add that too it should be enough. try it, that is usually the hardest part when compiling the first kernel on 'new' hardware, takes a few tries |
| 18:09.18 | EdibleText | Stereo, thats a start. ompile that statically and try again |
| 18:09.20 | asg | tarzeau: wikifaq <user> Permissions |
| 18:09.27 | K_Dallas | Eclipser, would that set it up for sarge only? |
| 18:09.33 | Nolius | please what is the debian mentor channel? |
| 18:09.45 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite slow arse 5400RPM disks on even newer laptops |
| 18:09.46 | dpkg | slow arse 5400RPM disks on even newer laptops: yee bloody yank |
| 18:09.49 | asg | Nolius: #debian-mentors |
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| 18:09.54 | tarzeau | !wikifaq Alfons Permissions |
| 18:09.54 | asg | funnily enough |
| 18:09.56 | FieldySnuts | grr you can do better |
| 18:09.56 | dpkg | Alfons: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:10.00 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aussiesmite slow arse 5400RPM disks on even newer laptops |
| 18:10.01 | dpkg | slow arse 5400RPM disks on even newer laptops: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell |
| 18:10.07 | Eclipser | K_Dallas, yes I think... if it doesn't, you can always change any testing/etch/unstable/sid to stable or sarge in sources.list |
| 18:10.08 | Nolius | thank you asg |
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| 18:10.27 | K_Dallas | thanks Eclipser |
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| 18:10.41 | EdibleText | Snap! dpkg just imitated my Boss |
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| 18:10.52 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 18:11.08 | shingouz | dobby: i do not, i was just thinking that i got a real odd piece of hardware working here with a serious google. i located someone who used to have the same hardware years ago and that he had actually hacked some code to get the piece working. now he has already sold his box but had still done a patch for a 2.6 but never put that up for grabs. he was nice enough to email it to me, now the odd ibm is up and runs like a champ |
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| 18:11.25 | Eclipser | nngh |
| 18:11.31 | K_Dallas | Eclipser, it only scanned my CD and added no line for ftp ot http sites! |
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| 18:11.49 | lamp_ | hi my fonts of xmms xcdroast are to small. |
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| 18:12.06 | Eclipser | K_Dallas, it should ask you for sources to add :o |
| 18:12.09 | gpm | lamp_: are you using gnome? |
| 18:12.15 | K_Dallas | well it was too lazy this time ;) |
| 18:12.18 | toonX | hey, can apt handle rpms ? |
| 18:12.22 | K_Dallas | let me try again |
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| 18:12.29 | K_Dallas | toonX, try alien |
| 18:12.30 | lamp_ | gpm, in gnome my fonts are okey |
| 18:12.34 | varroa | So, in the sarge release notes, it mentions aptitude is now preferred over apt-get for package management. Anyone know *why*? I like apt! |
| 18:12.42 | toonX | K_Dallas: ok thanks |
| 18:12.46 | gpm | lamp_: ok, so you aren't using gnome when the fonts are too small. |
| 18:12.47 | K_Dallas | np |
| 18:12.49 | Eclipser | varroa, it doesn't say you can't use apt |
| 18:12.57 | gpm | lamp_: apt-get install gtk-theme-switch |
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| 18:13.06 | gpm | lamp_: then run switch, and change the font in there |
| 18:13.07 | asg | varroa: aptitude has better dependancy checking and installs recommended packages also (which apt-get doesn't) |
| 18:13.23 | varroa | Mmm... |
| 18:13.34 | K_Dallas | asg, would that be true for synaptic as well? |
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| 18:13.48 | asg | varroa: if you did aptitude dist-upgrade from woody to sarge, it would have wanted you to install a bunch of crap also like portmap. |
| 18:13.54 | asg | K_Dallas: dunno, I've never used synaptic. |
| 18:14.02 | K_Dallas | ok thanks anyway |
| 18:14.03 | fas3r | do u know what's the method for format hidden Windows95 FAT32 partition |
| 18:14.06 | fas3r | ? |
| 18:14.49 | asg | varroa: iirc, aptitude also does a better job of removing more stuff when you remove or purge a package. |
| 18:15.10 | K_Dallas | Eclipser, now it is asking me for sources ;) wierd |
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| 18:15.26 | FieldySnuts | hm something neat about these toshiba MX45 laptops is the switch that lets you completely turn off the wireless |
| 18:15.29 | varroa | I've been tracking sarge for a year or so. I don't have to dist-upgrade. Just interesting that aptitude is preferred over apt now. |
| 18:15.33 | asg | fas3r: hidden partition? |
| 18:15.35 | EdibleText | fas3r, hidden? do 'fdisk -l' |
| 18:15.38 | fas3r | yes |
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| 18:15.55 | lide | okay now my apt-get works good, now i try apt-get remove exim4-base, it try remove mysql-server too, but i willn't remove it, how i can remove only exim4-base |
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| 18:16.00 | Eclipser | finally |
| 18:16.05 | EdibleText | hidden=not mounted |
| 18:16.08 | varroa | Ok, I'll have to read up on aptitude package removal. If it cleans up unused dependencies, that would be a big plus over apt. |
| 18:16.08 | Eclipser | took like 30 minutes to compile cedega |
| 18:16.08 | gpm | apt-get was never a package manager, it's just a frontend to dpkg |
| 18:16.14 | K_Dallas | ftp.no.debian.org: is it the default ftp site? and is it in Norway? |
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| 18:16.37 | shingouz | K_Dallas: where are you? |
| 18:16.42 | fas3r | EdibleText, i past the fdisk -l in pv |
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| 18:16.48 | K_Dallas | Caanda |
| 18:16.56 | K_Dallas | well Canada ;) |
| 18:16.57 | EdibleText | fas3r, uh ok.. |
| 18:17.00 | lide | gpm: so how i can remove only exim4-base? |
| 18:17.15 | lamp_ | gpm, it doesn't work for xmms i think xmms is not gtk based |
| 18:17.20 | shingouz | K_Dallas: try-eh ftp.ca.debian.org ;) |
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| 18:17.26 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 18:17.31 | fas3r | just the line |
| 18:17.33 | fas3r | /dev/hda6 2433 3648 9767488+ 1b Hidden W95 FAT32 |
| 18:17.40 | fas3r | this partition.. |
| 18:17.41 | gpm | lide: uh...what do you mean only exim4-base? what else do you want to keep? |
| 18:17.48 | BK | hmm, when i try to install debian, and I try to choose a mirror, it fails to resolv the host. i have a dhcp server, but it resolvs everything to "1.0.0.0". |
| 18:17.54 | BK | works fine under windows |
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| 18:18.13 | gpm | lide: if you want to keep stuff that depends on exim4-base, then you can't remove exim4-base and keep that stuff |
| 18:18.15 | BK | "ping" works good as well |
| 18:18.21 | shingouz | BK: hack the /etc/resolv.conf manually this time, make it point to some known DNS |
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| 18:18.34 | gpm | lamp_: the playlist and main window in xmms are controlled in xmms' preferences |
| 18:18.35 | BK | tryed to |
| 18:18.36 | EdibleText | fas3r, paste the line atop that pehaps the one in the channel will know |
| 18:18.38 | BK | didn't work |
| 18:18.46 | EdibleText | s/the one/one |
| 18:18.49 | shingouz | !doesn't work |
| 18:18.50 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:18.53 | shingouz | :) |
| 18:18.53 | gpm | lamp_: but the menus are gtk |
| 18:18.55 | interbird | Hi there, I failed to submit a bug at submit@bugs.debian.org because I did not specify a package name -- The bug was in the installer -- What should I specify for the package name ? |
| 18:19.00 | exerd | is there any guide how to install nvidia--drivers? |
| 18:19.11 | varroa | so, if I have several boxes tracking sarge, I want to change testing to stable if I want to stay with sarge at this point. |
| 18:19.11 | shingouz | !tell exerd about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:19.32 | shingouz | BK: how did you try to hack the file? |
| 18:19.33 | lide | gpm: very hard.... i will remove all what is exim4's files, but i don't will remove mysql-server.... and it try delete it same time |
| 18:19.51 | fas3r | just the line ......... |
| 18:19.51 | fas3r | /dev/hda6 2433 3648 9767488+ 1b Hidden W95 FAT32 |
| 18:19.58 | gpm | lide: are you using aptitude or apt-get? |
| 18:19.59 | fas3r | but it don't formated |
| 18:20.15 | lide | apt-get |
| 18:20.15 | BK | shingouz i "nano /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 18:20.21 | asg | varroa: also, if you check the debian-user list, there is a discussion going on re: apt vs. aptitude. |
| 18:20.23 | BK | and put my dns server next to "nameserver" |
| 18:20.32 | BK | saved the file |
| 18:20.32 | fas3r | i want to format it but with mkfs.vfat it say /dev/hda6: No such device or address |
| 18:20.33 | gpm | lide: actually, it shouldn't matter. you could just reinstall mysql-server...i'm pretty sure it doesn't depend on exim4-base |
| 18:20.48 | shingouz | BK: 'nameserver ip.add.re.ss' ? |
| 18:20.54 | BK | yes |
| 18:20.56 | lide | okay... maybe i reinstall it... |
| 18:20.56 | lamp_ | gpm, i know i have fixed this problem before with installing a debian package and changing somthing in /etc/X11/XF86config |
| 18:21.01 | shingouz | BK: did you save it too? |
| 18:21.14 | BK | yes, i did |
| 18:21.16 | gpm | lamp_: ok. none of the things you have been talking about are related. |
| 18:21.17 | varroa | asg, I'll check that out. Am I correct in simply changing testing to stable in sources.list if I want to stay with the current stable release at this point? |
| 18:21.24 | xophEr | Im using 'testing', and I havent gotten any new updates in days now, is this right? :) Just seems a bit odd, cause before sarge went stable I got new updates every day.. |
| 18:21.25 | Bac9 | can someone help me migrate ldap server to sarge, the only meningfull error I get is "bad configuration file!", where would I look for more errors or their couse? |
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| 18:21.38 | interbird | Is there a channel for bugs ? |
| 18:21.45 | EdibleText | fas3r, use cfdisk; delete hda6 and create it again as type 0c |
| 18:21.47 | BK | should i try again shingouz ? |
| 18:21.52 | asg | varroa: yes |
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| 18:22.01 | varroa | asg, excellent. tks! |
| 18:22.01 | shingouz | BK: ifconfig -a sees your nic, pings with ip's work. do pings work with www.google.com or something? |
| 18:22.06 | asg | varroa: you're welcome |
| 18:22.18 | BK | yes |
| 18:22.36 | BK | hmm, i'll try some more things, and be back to report |
| 18:22.38 | fas3r | EdibleText, i use cfdisk for creat the partition but it don't forma |
| 18:22.39 | fas3r | t |
| 18:22.40 | prodigel | @all hello. I have a problem :). Can anyone help me ? |
| 18:22.44 | shingouz | BK: if you can ping an url the resolv is ok, you need to change the mirror |
| 18:22.47 | shingouz | bah |
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| 18:22.55 | gpm | !tell prodigel about ask |
| 18:23.00 | shingouz | !tell prodigel about ask |
| 18:23.05 | shingouz | !tell prodigel about sicco |
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| 18:23.19 | gpm | i win |
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| 18:24.09 | gpm | i don't come with any debconf stuff |
| 18:24.53 | gpm | damn |
| 18:24.57 | gpm | i lose |
| 18:25.15 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: You must have been here for some time if you know me. I've not been here much lately. |
| 18:25.18 | shingouz | @comfort gpm |
| 18:25.18 | ravenbird | There, there, gpm. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:25.28 | sgeigerbot | !ravenbird |
| 18:25.28 | dpkg | well, ravenbird is so cool |
| 18:25.28 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: a few years already i think |
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| 18:25.44 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: at least about three i think |
| 18:25.53 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: I think that's about how long I've been here. |
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| 18:26.06 | theD3viL | How to set up xmplayer-2 ? WTF? |
| 18:26.11 | prodigel | I just bought a ld display monitor. My old one was used at 800/600 with 72 Hz(really old). This one has natve resolution 1280*1024. I've tried to modify the XF86config-4 file(not my knowledge, but of some of my friend) and didn't work. Now I get stuck at 1152*768 and it sees like *badword*.Do you know a tool to help me set up my monitor clean or it's just the old-style/edit file mode the only solution. Please remember that I'm a beginner in linux |
| 18:26.11 | prodigel | (debian or other). Thanks |
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| 18:26.15 | EdibleText | fas3r, to be quite honest, I dont beleive I have ever put a fat32 fs on anything but a primary partition |
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| 18:26.24 | EdibleText | fas3r, never a logical |
| 18:26.30 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: admitted, i have only been vocal for a few months now, been sitting here leeching information most of the time |
| 18:26.42 | theD3viL | How to set up xmplayer-2 ? WTF? |
| 18:26.43 | EdibleText | fas3r, perhaps there is reason that i forgot |
| 18:26.46 | ttick | could someone let me know the reason why "nslookup" doesn't seem to be available in debian's standard repository of aps? Or maybe if it's under a different name someone would clue me in. |
| 18:26.57 | gpm | theD3viL: stfu |
| 18:27.18 | shingouz | ttick: dnsutils iirc |
| 18:27.19 | theD3viL | im just asking |
| 18:27.30 | sgeigerbot | prodigel: I would tend to gather information by using a liveCD. Boot from it and then look at the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. |
| 18:27.40 | PerfDave | ttick: The package it's in is not caled "nslookup". You need to find the package it's in. /msg dpkg search |
| 18:27.45 | gpm | theD3viL: if you can't find it with apt-cache search, you have to compile and install it yourself. |
| 18:27.52 | varroa | wow, i've been tracking sarge and did my last 'apt-get upgrade' about 2 weeks ago. Now that sarge is stable, I've gone and changed testing to stable in sources.list. 'apt-get upgrade' wants to upgrade 190 packages now. Is this right? |
| 18:27.55 | theD3viL | ok |
| 18:27.55 | sgeigerbot | prodigel: You might even get away with copying that file to your hard drive. |
| 18:28.17 | PerfDave | prodigel: If you've hand-edited your config file, you've broken the nice easy configuration that Debian provides. /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 18:28.18 | gpm | theD3viL: (tar xvfz <tarball> && cd <dir> && ./configure && make && make install) |
| 18:28.41 | ttick | okay, thanks guys, I'll try. |
| 18:28.51 | PerfDave | theD3viL: Don't listen to gpm. /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 18:29.03 | gpm | PerfDave: wha!? |
| 18:29.07 | gpm | PerfDave: oooh. my bad |
| 18:29.15 | gpm | ./configure --prefix=/usr/local ? |
| 18:29.35 | PerfDave | gpm: /msg dpkg usrlocal ;) |
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| 18:29.47 | Afgan_ | âÁÒÔ ÇÄÅ ÔÙ ? :)) |
| 18:29.52 | gpm | PerfDave: yeah. i haven't compiled from source in a while. i forgot about that. |
| 18:29.59 | prodigel | sgeigerbot: ok. but from where do I take the liveCD. I don't even know what it is |
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| 18:30.15 | ttick | okay, great, thanks guys. Found dnsutils (which has nslookup). I originally tried apt-cache search nslookup. Thanks for pointing me to the package.debian.org. :) |
| 18:30.38 | prodigel | sgeigerbot: is it a debian package? |
| 18:30.47 | shingouz | ttick: of course you just apt-get it in place |
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| 18:31.09 | sgeigerbot | prodigel: www.knoppix.net or #knoppix for info on one such tool. |
| 18:31.24 | Dabian | Wow! |
| 18:31.27 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: eugh. you just used a foul word ;) |
| 18:31.36 | Dabian | When did it happen? |
| 18:31.36 | shingouz | two as a matter of fact |
| 18:31.46 | ttick | shingouz: yep, got that part: apt-get install dnsutils now I've got nslookup. Whoohoo! |
| 18:31.46 | shingouz | Dabian: he mentioned the K-word |
| 18:31.58 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 18:32.09 | shingouz | !comfort sgeigerbot |
| 18:32.09 | dpkg | There, there, sgeigerbot. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:32.11 | Dabian | sgeigerbot : Yeah! Now don't do it again! |
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| 18:33.04 | K_Dallas | if* |
| 18:33.08 | shingouz | K_Dallas: amen |
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| 18:33.32 | K_Dallas | :) the only liveCD i would suggest is rescuesystemCD at most |
| 18:33.34 | Dabian | sgeigerbot : This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
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| 18:33.50 | lamp_ | gpm, thx it works fine now i missed some debian packages |
| 18:33.52 | PerfDave | robsrtbt! |
| 18:33.56 | varroa | I guess there have been a TON of updates to sarge in the past two weeks. Both testing and stable want me to upgrade 190 packages. |
| 18:34.08 | Dabian | varroa : Muahahahahaha! |
| 18:34.14 | gpm | lamp_: np |
| 18:34.21 | Dabian | varroa : I hope you have you have a slow connection! ;-) |
| 18:34.28 | shingouz | that should be a qotd, pity i do not know how to make them yet. |
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| 18:35.01 | Dabian | varroa : (Actually I don't - but I thought it sounded cool) :-P |
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| 18:35.10 | varroa | I usually pull 200 kBytes per second from the pair mirror. |
| 18:35.10 | K_Dallas | was it: /msg dpkg fonts? |
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| 18:35.24 | Dabian | varroa : Not too bad. |
| 18:35.37 | Dabian | Btw .. any amule support in apt-get ? |
| 18:35.48 | varroa | that's just a dang lot of packages for two weeks. :^) |
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| 18:36.04 | ventonegro | hello guys |
| 18:36.11 | giupy | Dabian, amule isn't in sarge |
| 18:36.17 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: do you know how to add a qotd? |
| 18:36.21 | Dabian | giupy : It used to be? |
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| 18:36.31 | PerfDave | Adding a qotd is BLACK MAGIC |
| 18:36.39 | Dabian | giupy : Oh no .. this renders sarge unusable for a friend of mine :( |
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| 18:37.01 | Dabian | giupy : Its referenced by another package, though. |
| 18:37.02 | giupy | Dabian, there is in unstable |
| 18:37.11 | jasoncohen | i'm still seeing 0 updates on testing. anyone seeing upgrades on ftp.debian.org? |
| 18:37.12 | shingouz | PerfDave: i know, that is why i am not even going to attempt it. the line Dabian said to sgeigerbot about support channel is one imho :) |
| 18:37.14 | Dabian | giupy : He is too n00b to go unstable. |
| 18:37.28 | Dabian | I wonder if amule is in ubuntu .. I'll try and find out. |
| 18:37.34 | giupy | Dabian, you can install from unofficial mirrors |
| 18:37.39 | Ronin | jasoncohen: not surprising theres no updates yet for testing |
| 18:37.51 | Dabian | giupy : Yeah .. but that kinda sucks, right? |
| 18:37.55 | jasoncohen | Ronin, 784 packages are entering testing today! |
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| 18:38.11 | jasoncohen | Ronin, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
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| 18:38.15 | fas3r | what's the number for ext3 partition on cfdisk |
| 18:38.16 | Ronin | jasoncohen: holy crap someones been busy |
| 18:38.17 | fas3r | ? |
| 18:38.19 | hyksos | jasoncohen : from where do you got this message? |
| 18:38.23 | fas3r | i don't find it |
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| 18:38.29 | Dabian | giupy : I will tell him to run ms-windows till amule is ready for sarge. |
| 18:38.31 | jasoncohen | hyksos, it's a list of accepted packages in testing |
| 18:38.34 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: what's the quote? I will add it for you. |
| 18:38.52 | shingouz | <Dabian> sgeigerbot : This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
| 18:38.54 | hyksos | jasoncohen :how/where can you watch this |
| 18:38.56 | EdibleText | fas3r, use ext2 format as ext3 |
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| 18:39.05 | jasoncohen | Dabian, you can get amule for sarge |
| 18:39.07 | fan_gnr | fas3r, I think it is 83 (Linux) |
| 18:39.10 | varroa | jasoncohen: I noticed apt-get upgrade wants to pull exactlly the same number of packages to upgrade to stable and testing. Looks like they are pretty much at the same point right now. |
| 18:39.11 | giupy | Dabian, there was in sarge but after some complication about license i think ..... now there isn't |
| 18:39.14 | jasoncohen | hyksos, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
| 18:39.15 | Dabian | giupy : He has an illegal copy of ms-windows-xp handy, I reckon. |
| 18:39.15 | fas3r | ok thank |
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| 18:39.24 | hyksos | jasoncohen :thx |
| 18:39.29 | Dabian | giupy SP2. |
| 18:39.42 | shingouz | ttick: *i* didnt say it originally :) |
| 18:39.52 | Dabian | jasoncohen : There is an alternative in Sarge? |
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| 18:39.54 | ttick | darn, sometimes I think I've got numbs for fingers I type so poorly. |
| 18:39.56 | giupy | Dabian, legal of illegal ....... he should use debian :)) |
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| 18:40.00 | aidehua | My new employers need me to admin FreeBSD machines. Will I hate it because it isn't Debian? |
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| 18:40.03 | jasoncohen | Dabian, amule is in unstable |
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| 18:40.16 | Ronin | aidehua: not be happy instead that its not windows |
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| 18:40.22 | ttick | okay, /me lol @ Dabian for being accutely funny. |
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| 18:40.29 | Azar | how can I stop a -h from scrolling all the way back so I can read it screen by screen? |
| 18:40.33 | Dabian | aidehua : No .. you will enjoy learning how to live under the limitations of a /real/ UNIX. |
| 18:40.38 | aidehua | Ronin: good point well made :) |
| 18:40.45 | fan_gnr | i have a problem installing debian woody 3.0r4....i HAVE all the 7 cds required, but i can't get my GUI running, i have tried installing it several times, but no use |
| 18:40.50 | brosio | anyone have try kde3.4 in experimental ? |
| 18:40.52 | shingouz | Azar: pipe it through less |
| 18:41.04 | robertocarp | I have a little problem... I lost the root password, and grub menu doesnot appears... How to recover it??? |
| 18:41.05 | Azar | thanks shingouz |
| 18:41.09 | shingouz | fan_gnr: how about a sarge netinstall... |
| 18:41.11 | sgeigerbot | !+qotd199 |
| 18:41.12 | dpkg | hmm... qotd199 is This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
| 18:41.12 | Dabian | argh |
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| 18:41.28 | jasoncohen | Dabian, your friend can add a debian unstable source and set his default release to sarge or he can add a deb-src source and build it himself with apt-get -b source amule |
| 18:41.31 | fan_gnr | shingouz, naah, i can't my net is a slo bo... |
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| 18:41.31 | Azar | progname -h | less ? |
| 18:41.32 | Dabian | I just realise .. this is probably the time to seriously get my old woody server retired? |
| 18:41.38 | PerfDave | fan_gnr: You might want to install 3.1r0a which has much better hardware support. |
| 18:41.39 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: i think it should be credited to dabian really :) |
| 18:41.40 | aidehua | By /real/ Unix it take it you mean "none of this fancy schmancy GNU fluff with it's multitude if install(1) options" ? |
| 18:41.42 | fan_gnr | shingouz, i would have done it, if I get cds from somebody |
| 18:41.45 | PerfDave | Dabian: Nah, you've got a year before security updates finish |
| 18:41.51 | shingouz | fan_gnr: slow connection? |
| 18:41.56 | jasoncohen | brosio, i have |
| 18:41.58 | PerfDave | fan_gnr: You only need a few floppies, or one CD |
| 18:42.01 | EdibleText | Dabian, why ? is it broke beyond reapair? |
| 18:42.02 | fan_gnr | PerfDave, what's that |
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| 18:42.08 | fan_gnr | shingouz, yeah right |
| 18:42.11 | jasoncohen | brosio, i used it before it went into experimental - when it was unofficial experimental in alioth |
| 18:42.15 | nvz | robertocarp: chroot rescue with your install/rescue cd |
| 18:42.19 | PerfDave | fan_gnr: 3.1r0a is the new stable release of Debian |
| 18:42.22 | shingouz | fan_gnr: was that sarcastic? |
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| 18:42.47 | fan_gnr | shingouz, no man, my internet connection is real slow. |
| 18:43.04 | fan_gnr | PerfDave, but then what about the CDs that i have |
| 18:43.05 | shingouz | fan_gnr: ouch. as in dial-up sow? |
| 18:43.08 | shingouz | slow even |
| 18:43.25 | fan_gnr | shingouz, yeah |
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| 18:43.31 | Azar | fan-gnr, the GUI is a "side" install optional and you have to work on installing the X-windows system, xfree86 , and configure your video card driver |
| 18:43.48 | shingouz | fan_gnr: install a console system, then start with installing X on the thing. after you have X running you can start installing other stuff liek gnome or what have you |
| 18:43.50 | fan_gnr | Azar, yeah, right |
| 18:43.57 | CosmoDad | I've used dpkg --set-selections on a package list, called aptitude and installed package foo which was on purge in the list. After installation, dpkg --get-selections still shows the package to be on state 'purge'. Why is it not being updated? |
| 18:44.03 | sgeigerbot | dpkg, qotd199 =~ s/This is/Dabian: This is/ |
| 18:44.03 | dpkg | OK, sgeigerbot |
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| 18:44.25 | fan_gnr | shingouz, Azari am not sort of a newbie. |
| 18:44.27 | Azar | fan_gnr if you are running Woody go apt-get install aptitude first |
| 18:44.27 | Bac9 | notes: I can't get slapd to upgradef from 2.0 to 2.2, it will not migrate the database, so to anyone who uses it just stick with 2.0, as for migration of postgresql if you have unicode databases make sure you have a unicode locale already generated otherwise the database will not migrate (previous version of postgress did not have this requirenment) |
| 18:44.35 | quittt_15 | I am 15 now!! |
| 18:44.40 | Dabian | gratz!! |
| 18:44.43 | fan_gnr | aptitude, what's that |
| 18:44.54 | shingouz | package manager |
| 18:44.58 | shingouz | !aptitude |
| 18:44.58 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 18:45.02 | sgeigerbot | Dabian: qotd is just a regular factoid. You have to pick the number, though. If the number is taken, the bot will tell you. I'm not sure how to ask the bot which is the last number. (I just chose a high number.) |
| 18:45.07 | Azar | fan_gnr then you go in your /etc/apt/sources.list and edit all line where "stable" or "woody" (whatever you have) with "sarge" |
| 18:45.12 | fan_gnr | Azar, I have been reading some stuff on this topic for now, and remember was told to dowload the latest version of xfree 86 |
| 18:45.16 | spaetz | *sigh* whenever I use an arrow key in aptitude it quits "Ouch! Got SIGQUIT, dying" |
| 18:45.24 | spaetz | It works from an xterm though |
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| 18:45.24 | Azar | fan-gnr then you run : aptitude update then aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 18:45.48 | Azar | fan-gnr do not worry about X until you do the right upgrade |
| 18:45.53 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: i think i need to learn making the factoids too... not too hard in anycase but i do not want to fuxx0r up dpkg |
| 18:46.00 | Neverth | nainnggrr, managed to get the real bitchx .deb for woody, installed it, but still got the frigging ~ |
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| 18:46.07 | fan_gnr | Azar, thanks for the help, but it is too late now, can we talk later? |
| 18:46.09 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: dpkg is fuxx0red |
| 18:46.14 | sgeigerbot | buggered |
| 18:46.20 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: he is on #debian after all |
| 18:46.22 | sgeigerbot | !bugger dpkg |
| 18:46.23 | Azar | after you upgrade to sarge , upgrade the kernel to the latest kernel offered in apt-cache , 2.6.8-2-your cpu type |
| 18:46.29 | Neverth | any idea? |
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| 18:46.33 | shingouz | !any idea |
| 18:46.33 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 42 rabid ostriches. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 18:46.36 | d03boy | anyone know why all of a sudden none of my programs will open? |
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| 18:46.43 | fan_gnr | Azar, I will do that |
| 18:46.45 | Azar | fan-gnr only THEN you worry about installing GUI |
| 18:46.46 | sgeigerbot | d03boy: be specific |
| 18:46.49 | Dabian | d03boy : Sarge has gone stable!!! |
| 18:46.57 | d03boy | ya!! |
| 18:47.01 | scar_ | what package includes rar extraction ? cant find any with apt? |
| 18:47.14 | Kooky | unrar |
| 18:47.15 | d03boy | using the fluxbox menus I cant seem to open any programs |
| 18:47.15 | shingouz | scar_ try unrar |
| 18:47.20 | sgeigerbot | scar_: apt-get install rar unrar; mkdir newdirectory; cd newdirectory; unrar e ../myfile.rar ## unpack into pwd; |
| 18:47.21 | fan_gnr | Azar, but is that upgrading to sarge all that is necessary, as already told, i have a slow connection, and it is not possible to download large files |
| 18:47.24 | Dabian | d03boy : INteresting! |
| 18:47.26 | d03boy | and I cant even open a shell to see if a shell will open programs |
| 18:47.36 | shingouz | scar_: don't install pr0n in anycase :p |
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| 18:47.37 | Dabian | d03boy : I wager you might have spottet a bug? |
| 18:47.40 | Neverth | so not..... |
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| 18:47.47 | fan_gnr | Azar, i don't mind if the packages are old, my main motive here is to try |
| 18:47.49 | fan_gnr | Debian |
| 18:47.58 | d03boy | Dabian, perhaps... what should i do about this? |
| 18:48.01 | scar_ | lololol pr0n ...I got g/f, |
| 18:48.02 | scar_ | heeh |
| 18:48.13 | CosmoDad | I've used dpkg --set-selections on a package list, called aptitude and installed package foo which was on purge in the list. After installation, dpkg --get-selections still shows the package to be on state 'purge'. Why does the output not match the true state? |
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| 18:48.24 | Dabian | scar_: Ahh .. so you can get all the p0rn you want, with a digital camera! |
| 18:48.30 | shingouz | scar_: so? what does the g/f have to do with your pr0n collection? |
| 18:48.33 | d03boy | Dabian, can I report it, or should I just try to reboot so it goes away? |
| 18:48.34 | raf256 | I have wierd problems with graphics. In example, XFree crash after going back from fullscreen mode |
| 18:48.40 | raf256 | what should I do? |
| 18:48.45 | Dabian | d03boy : Find out exactly what is wrong |
| 18:48.55 | Dabian | d03boy : Then check if there is a simular bugreport already! |
| 18:48.59 | tarzeau | Dabian: we're playing #bub-n-bros |
| 18:49.05 | d03boy | ok, i'll see if I can figure that out |
| 18:49.07 | tarzeau | Dabian: 7 dragons! |
| 18:49.09 | Dabian | d03boy : With a serious bug like that, I would guess so. |
| 18:49.13 | tarzeau | hey mentor ;) |
| 18:49.19 | scar_ | jeeez christ boys!!! ;-) I'd like to know why he answers with apt-get install rar with: E: Package rar has no installation candidate |
| 18:49.22 | Dabian | tarzeau : I must join, lemme switch client! |
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| 18:49.40 | shingouz | !tell scar_ about search |
| 18:49.43 | justin | d03boy: sounds like you screwed up your xauth cookie somehow |
| 18:49.52 | justin | d03boy: try logging into the console and reading ~/.xsession-errors |
| 18:49.57 | Dabian | !tell raf256 about scrotum |
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| 18:50.06 | nvz | well I am going offline until I can find a longer cat5 cable... I am relocating my desk :P |
| 18:50.09 | jasoncohen | scar_, rar is in non-free |
| 18:50.20 | raf256 | Dabian: what O_o ? |
| 18:50.28 | d03boy | justin, do you know how I can open the console from xchat? |
| 18:50.33 | Dabian | raf256 : Never mind .. I lost it. ;-) |
| 18:50.37 | justin | d03boy: control-alt-f1 |
| 18:50.42 | shingouz | !beer Dabian |
| 18:50.44 | scar_ | but I'd like to have a free and easy to use rar thats with stable |
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| 18:50.46 | d03boy | how do I get back? something F7? |
| 18:50.48 | kobs | Hrm..Anyone know the package name where I could find the dig DNS program? |
| 18:50.49 | sgeigerbot | scar_: rar/unrar in nutshell: apt-get install rar unrar ## note: rar is in non-free ; mkdir newdirectory; cd newdirectory; unrar e ../myfile.rar ## unpack into pwd; rar a ~/newrarfile.rar ~/directory-to-rar/ ## creates the file ~/newrarfile.rar |
| 18:50.50 | Dabian | !thanks hing |
| 18:50.54 | Dabian | !thanks shingouz |
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| 18:50.58 | Dabian | !thank shingouz |
| 18:51.07 | Dabian | oh well |
| 18:51.09 | shingouz | d03boy: try ctrl-alt-F2 instead and you should have a CLI there |
| 18:51.12 | Dabian | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.14 | Dabian | oh well |
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| 18:51.24 | shingouz | Dabian: i get the gist of it, dont worry :) |
| 18:51.25 | Dabian | shingouz : Thanks |
| 18:51.32 | Dabian | :--) |
| 18:51.39 | d03boy | ok, how do you suggest I get back to X? |
| 18:51.44 | sgeigerbot | !+rar |
| 18:51.44 | dpkg | rar is, like, an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
| 18:51.45 | shingouz | alt-F7 |
| 18:51.48 | d03boy | k |
| 18:51.50 | jasoncohen | scar_, if you just need to be able to extract use unrar-free |
| 18:51.50 | raf256 | my debian-sarge for months is crashing after returning from fullscreen XFree modes. I have nvidia drivers (few version tested). What should I do to fix it? |
| 18:51.52 | sgeigerbot | !+unrar |
| 18:51.53 | dpkg | from memory, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 18:51.54 | d03boy | brb |
| 18:52.01 | sgeigerbot | !+unrar-free |
| 18:52.04 | dpkg | [unrar-free] an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 18:52.04 | Dabian | tarzeau : Whats the channel called? |
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| 18:52.09 | tarzeau | Dabian: #bub-n-bros |
| 18:52.10 | Dabian | tarzeau : I autojoin with the other client. |
| 18:52.12 | Dabian | thanks |
| 18:52.21 | FarrisG | dammit. The feet on the heatsink that shipped with this Xeon are just barely too tall. I thought that crap was pretty standard? |
| 18:52.30 | Neverth | so no-one has anythin that will help me get rif of the ~? |
| 18:52.32 | K_Dallas | mplayer: should i use this: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main, or get it from here: http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge/ ? thanks |
| 18:52.32 | whiskers | hello, I need help getting my dvds to play in debian |
| 18:52.49 | raf256 | whiskers: /j #mplayer |
| 18:52.51 | PerfDave | whiskers: What help do you need? Have you installed a cracked libdvdcss from marillat? |
| 18:53.32 | whiskers | i have the dvd libraries installed but im getting a message that the souce cant be read |
| 18:53.39 | beardy | d03boy: Alt-F7 (Ctrl-Alt-F# only needed when switching from X to the console) Alt-Left/RightArrow cycles between the consoles forward and backward. |
| 18:53.41 | whiskers | im trying to use Kaffeine to play it |
| 18:53.49 | shingouz | Neverth: what ^ you talking about |
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| 18:53.51 | shingouz | ? |
| 18:54.02 | whiskers | my dcd was seen as cdrom so i fixed the fstab to say dvd instead |
| 18:54.05 | PerfDave | whiskers: Does the region set in your DVD drive match the region of the DVD? |
| 18:54.15 | whiskers | and i created a folder in /media/dvd |
| 18:54.22 | whiskers | its a region free dvd rom |
| 18:54.25 | shingouz | !tell K_Dallas about marillat |
| 18:54.29 | PerfDave | whiskers: Ah, OK |
| 18:54.37 | PerfDave | whiskers: Not sure, have to run now anyway. Good luck :) |
| 18:54.38 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: Do you know how to check the drive to see which region it's set to? |
| 18:54.45 | jasoncohen | whiskers, you need to add the marillat source and then apt-get update ; apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
| 18:54.50 | PerfDave | sgeigerbot: There's a utility to do so in apt, which also lets you change it |
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| 18:54.55 | whiskers | i have libdvdcss |
| 18:54.55 | shingouz | !tell whiskers about marillat |
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| 18:55.06 | K_Dallas | shingouz, thanks, reading it right now |
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| 18:55.10 | PerfDave | sgeigerbot: But you can only change it a small, finite number of times, so you're better off just flashing the firmware to make your drive region-free :) |
| 18:55.11 | shingouz | yw |
| 18:55.13 | jasoncohen | whiskers, so, you already added marillat? |
| 18:55.19 | whiskers | nods, mmhmm |
| 18:55.37 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: gotcha. |
| 18:55.42 | whiskers | i can open individual parts of the dvd but cant open the entire thing |
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| 18:56.12 | whiskers | possibly i don thave my permissions right to access the dvd? |
| 18:56.15 | jasoncohen | whiskers, with just this dvd or all dvds? |
| 18:56.18 | thorie | can I disable "root", "postmaster", "security", etc. as valid e-mail usernames? because if i telnet into my box and do "RCPT TO: root", it will say "Recipient ok" -- But I don't want e-mail for these system users. |
| 18:56.30 | jasoncohen | whiskers, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2005-06-08 10:41 /dev/dvd -> hdb |
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| 18:56.44 | shingouz | thorie: you have telnetd running there? shame on you! |
| 18:56.51 | thorie | shingouz: i meant telnet port 25 |
| 18:56.56 | whiskers | scratches head, what do i do jason? |
| 18:57.04 | shingouz | hm |
| 18:57.12 | jasoncohen | whiskers, ls -la /dev/dvd to check permissions |
| 18:57.16 | Azar | Debian drops ball on security updates http://news.com.com/Debian+drops+ball+on+security+updates/2100-1002_3-5737401.html?part=rss&tag=5737401&subj=news |
| 18:57.18 | shingouz | !tell whiskers about nicktab |
| 18:58.46 | whiskers | ls -ls /dev/dvd |
| 18:58.46 | whiskers | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:58.49 | jasoncohen | i would hardly call it "dropping the ball". You have to change one line...big deal |
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| 18:59.06 | Azar | well that is for those wanting to grab a CD |
| 18:59.08 | thorie | "Whoops," Langasek wrote. |
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| 18:59.21 | jasoncohen | and it's hard to miss when apt-get update shows failures downloading from testing/updates |
| 18:59.28 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: I'm mostly curious about the setting. I have had pretty good luck.. well, you know, I guess xine has been kind of giving me problems sometimes. I haven't seen *anything* about this on linux-on-laptops.net. Is there possibly a central place on the web to get info on flashing the firmware of DVD drives? my initial googling suggests that there isn't. (fyi: I have a thinkpad t42...if that matters.) |
| 18:59.38 | whiskers | mebbe my dev is different? |
| 18:59.52 | Azar | I guess all of us here know how to edit the sources.file |
| 19:00.12 | tarzeau | i had a user at the phone yesterday, that didn't know what an editor is |
| 19:00.28 | Azar | they published that for those rushing to get a CD and not knowing about sources.file editing |
| 19:00.31 | jasoncohen | whiskers, udev should have created /dev/dvd for you |
| 19:00.42 | jasoncohen | whiskers, xine looks for /dev/dvd |
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| 19:00.54 | K_Dallas | i cannot remember well but one of the distro's package installer used to warn me each time i wanted to insta xbitch or something, i am wondering what it would do to install pornview :) |
| 19:01.00 | whiskers | my dvd was seen as cdrom0 in my fstab so i fixed it, mebbe there is somewhere else i need to change this? |
| 19:01.14 | K_Dallas | why on earth they have called it pornview anyways? |
| 19:01.15 | shingouz | K_Dallas: try it |
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| 19:01.20 | jasoncohen | whiskers, what's ls -la /dev/cdrom show |
| 19:01.30 | K_Dallas | ok, i will try it in a min ;) |
| 19:01.36 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: because the suck |
| 19:01.40 | jasoncohen | whiskers, did you just upgrade from woody? |
| 19:01.43 | K_Dallas | hehe |
| 19:01.43 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: and "feh" is the real porn viewer |
| 19:01.50 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: pornview is the worst viewer i've seen |
| 19:01.51 | whiskers | ls -la /dev/cdrom |
| 19:01.51 | whiskers | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Jun 8 18:28 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/cdrom0 |
| 19:01.51 | K_Dallas | i like feh ;) |
| 19:01.53 | shingouz | K_Dallas: it comes with 100M of Playboy centerfolds too |
| 19:01.54 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: it's just crap |
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| 19:01.58 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: feh ist the best |
| 19:02.00 | K_Dallas | no kidding? |
| 19:02.07 | tarzeau | shingouz: url? |
| 19:02.07 | smacnay | Hello, after using "testing" as my source for apt, do I leave it as such or does this now need to be changed? Seems that non-US testing sites are giving me errors. |
| 19:02.13 | shingouz | hehehe... |
| 19:02.14 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: www.autopr0n.net is back up |
| 19:02.38 | spaetz | mmh, what is a nice full screen pdf viewer (without kde or gnome dependencies)? |
| 19:02.38 | Azar | how could I capture my gorgeous desktop now and show it to my friends? |
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| 19:02.59 | shingouz | Azar: imagemagick |
| 19:03.06 | Azar | thanks I will download it |
| 19:03.07 | jasoncohen | whiskers, what does /etc/fstab show for the device? my /dev/cdrom points to hdb |
| 19:03.17 | K_Dallas | spaetz, acroread7.0 |
| 19:03.23 | whiskers | nope it was a network sarge install |
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| 19:03.38 | jasoncohen | smacnay, that's because non-us no longer exists |
| 19:03.47 | spaetz | K_Dallas: thanks. I hoped for somethingmore lightweight, but I guess acroread it is |
| 19:04.01 | jasoncohen | whiskers, so what do you see in /etc/fstab for your cdrom? |
| 19:04.11 | whiskers | /dev/hdd /media/dvd iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 19:04.18 | smacnay | jasoncohen: ah, that explains it. So just remove those sources? |
| 19:04.23 | whiskers | i changed the cdrom to dvd in the fstab |
| 19:04.24 | K_Dallas | spaetz, what about xpdf? |
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| 19:04.40 | jasoncohen | smacnay, yes- next time check the release notes for sarge. It's prominent there and it's in the topic |
| 19:04.47 | leonel | OK I have a scsi disk can I install sarge on that disk running the installer from a IDE hard disk ? |
| 19:04.54 | spaetz | K_Dallas: It doesn't seem to offer a full screen option |
| 19:05.01 | spaetz | which I'd need to do presentations |
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| 19:05.12 | smacnay | jasoncohen: thanks - I need to find those release notes I guess. Thanks again. |
| 19:05.14 | K_Dallas | i see, so ctrl-l or F12 wont do it |
| 19:05.15 | exerd | hi i need some help with installing nvidiadrivers |
| 19:05.30 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: it's called regionset, btw. thanks. |
| 19:05.33 | shingouz | leonel: why not but why dont you just boot the installer off a cd and install straight on the scsi is beyond me |
| 19:05.56 | shingouz | !tell exerd about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:05.59 | jasoncohen | smacnay, all you need for sarge is deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free and deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:06.26 | whiskers | exerd, I did this yesterday, su, then apt-get install binutils apt-get install make, apt-get install gcc , then install the kernel header for the kernel you are using |
| 19:06.50 | Neverth | managed to get the real bitchx .deb for woody, installed it, but still got the frigging nick!~user@blah (once again....) |
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| 19:07.53 | shingouz | Neverth: you mean the ident? you need to have a working identd on your system afaik, it has nothing to do with the version of bitchx you run |
| 19:08.03 | waynegrow | I was hopeing someone could help me... I'm runnin sarge with updates to 3.1... I'm having a hard time using apt-get with dnet.... any sugestions? |
| 19:08.08 | Neverth | ok... |
| 19:08.11 | jasoncohen | whiskers, fstab should point to /media/cdrom0 . my entry is /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 19:08.51 | jasoncohen | whiskers, you just need to link /dev/cdrom to /dev/dvd so xine can find the dvd ... ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd |
| 19:08.52 | exerd | !tell exerd about non-free sources |
| 19:08.55 | PhorceP | How does one find out what "./configure" arguments were used in the compilation of a Debian package? |
| 19:09.04 | spaetz | K_Dallas: yay xpdf has a -fullscreen option |
| 19:09.08 | shingouz | !tell waynegrow about ask |
| 19:09.11 | smacnay | jasoncohen: how about for testing? Same sources with 'testing' reflected instead of 'sarge'? |
| 19:09.11 | spaetz | "man" is my friend :) |
| 19:09.11 | shingouz | !tell waynegrow about sicco |
| 19:09.12 | K_Dallas | good :) |
| 19:09.19 | jasoncohen | or you can do it directly ln -s hdb /dev/dvd or whatever your device is |
| 19:09.35 | jasoncohen | smacnay, no- no security for testing |
| 19:09.42 | smacnay | jasoncohen: thanks |
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| 19:09.52 | jasoncohen | smacnay, all packages in testing are in the main archive |
| 19:10.03 | scar_ | what is the package again, that starts a daemon who calls up the exact time through internet? |
| 19:10.12 | shingouz | ntpd |
| 19:10.14 | jasoncohen | smacnay, you might also want marillat for mplayer, libdvdcss2, lame, acrobat etc. |
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| 19:10.26 | shingouz | scar_ ntpdate or something in that style |
| 19:10.38 | waynegrow | that doesnt help me much |
| 19:10.41 | jasoncohen | smacnay, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 19:11.00 | jasoncohen | remember to apt-get update afterwards |
| 19:11.14 | smacnay | jasoncohen: I marillat down but compiled all those apps from source. |
| 19:11.15 | shingouz | waynegrow: you are not helping us help you either. more information on the channel and someone might be able to help you. first of all, wtf is dnet? |
| 19:11.35 | smacnay | jasoncohen: marillat is still 'testing' - ok. I might look into that. |
| 19:11.46 | waynegrow | its a debian package that wastes your idle cpu time to crunch RSA keys... |
| 19:11.47 | Azar | how could I get a clock on my desktop? |
| 19:12.03 | jasoncohen | smacnay, um, heh that was a waste of time. since marilalt packages aren't in main you generally don't get conflicts |
| 19:12.04 | waynegrow | debian has it listed as a package ..yet when I try to apt-get it it can't be found |
| 19:12.05 | d03boy | well... looked through my xsession-auth or whatever its called |
| 19:12.22 | mikeX | Azar, apt-cache search clock |
| 19:12.24 | shingouz | waynegrow: how do you try to apt-get it |
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| 19:12.29 | d03boy | i've got a lot of GTK warnings saying that "Could not open bla bla, protocol not specified" |
| 19:12.31 | Azar | thanks mikeX |
| 19:12.34 | whiskers | ok changing fstab to cdrom0 |
| 19:12.41 | shingouz | waynegrow: i am not in the mood to play games tonight |
| 19:12.41 | waynegrow | apt-get install dnetc |
| 19:12.43 | whiskers | if i remove the no, will it do auto i assume? |
| 19:12.55 | shingouz | waynegrow: and then what happens? |
| 19:13.04 | shingouz | jfc... why does it have to be this hard... |
| 19:13.09 | waynegrow | says something like package not found |
| 19:13.27 | shingouz | !tell waynegrow about nicktab |
| 19:13.27 | jasoncohen | scar_, you want ntpdate. it'll automatically run on boot. if you don't restart often and want to re-sync run dpkg-reconfigure ntpdate and it'll do it for you |
| 19:13.35 | smacnay | jasoncohen: thanks. So no security in testing. Good to know. I will set my sources to sarge and (also some to sid as I need lilypond from there). I have my pins set up properly I believe. |
| 19:13.38 | shingouz | waynegrow: you need to apt-get update |
| 19:13.47 | waynegrow | i've done that |
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| 19:14.13 | jasoncohen | smacnay, you can just add sarge as your default release |
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| 19:14.25 | Hobart | if I was already using Sarge before, do I just change "testing" to "stable" in sources.list and apt-get upgrade, ? That is, do I need to do dist-upgrade? |
| 19:14.25 | waynegrow | shingouz i see |
| 19:14.39 | exerd | how can i check if nvidia is correctly installed? |
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| 19:14.48 | mikeX | exerd, try running it |
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| 19:14.54 | exerd | mikeX, How? |
| 19:14.55 | mikeX | exerd, I mean running X |
| 19:14.57 | MadBrain | hi all |
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| 19:15.16 | shingouz | waynegrow: you sure you are trying to install the correct package? |
| 19:15.19 | mikeX | exerd, read the README and configure your /etc/X11/XFree86-4 properly |
| 19:15.50 | exerd | ok thanks |
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| 19:15.55 | MadBrain | I have some question about the last version of gnome-vfs2 |
| 19:15.56 | jasoncohen | smacnay, create /etc/apt/apt.conf and add APT::Default-Release "sarge"; |
| 19:16.02 | waynegrow | yes http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/distributed-net |
| 19:16.12 | smacnay | jasoncohen: I have /etc/apt/preferences with Sarge as 600 and unstable as 300 |
| 19:16.15 | mikeX | exerd, rought you shoud replace 'Driver "nv"'' with "Driver "nvidia"' |
| 19:16.18 | smacnay | jasoncohen: oh, ok. thanks |
| 19:16.23 | mikeX | rought = roughly |
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| 19:16.40 | Neverth | ok |
| 19:16.42 | Neverth | thx |
| 19:16.47 | Neverth | now it works |
| 19:16.50 | leikh | how do i set sendmail to accept mail for an additional domain? |
| 19:16.51 | jasoncohen | smacnay, mine is APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable') |
| 19:16.57 | Neverth | and bye |
| 19:16.58 | shingouz | waynegrow: and you are on stable now? |
| 19:17.18 | smacnay | jasoncohen: which man page has this ? |
| 19:17.25 | MadBrain | it has a bad conflict definition |
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| 19:17.37 | MadBrain | it make gnome-panel not to be installed |
| 19:17.50 | jasoncohen | smacnay, man apt.conf |
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| 19:17.53 | waynegrow | hrm... I thought I upgraded... is there something special I need to do to go from sarge to 3.1 stable |
| 19:17.55 | smacnay | thanks |
| 19:17.57 | whiskers | it works it works! i can watch dvds now! |
| 19:18.01 | whiskers | thank you! |
| 19:18.17 | j_k | waynegrow: sarge *is* 3.1 stable. |
| 19:18.28 | waynegrow | in that case yes I am on stable |
| 19:18.35 | shingouz | waynegrow: 3.1 stable (as you term it is Sarge |
| 19:18.36 | MadBrain | Is someone aware of this problem ? |
| 19:18.50 | exerd | OK i have this problem. This computer has two NIC`s, nic1 is connected directly to internet and nic2 is connected to another computer through a crossed tpcable. I want to share the internetconnection through nic2. how do i do? |
| 19:19.05 | shingouz | waynegrow: what does 'apt-cache search dnet' tell you? |
| 19:19.18 | lamp_ | Is the vlc and the mplayer pluggin for mozilla for everybuddy slow (i have a pentium 4 3.4ghz so that can't be the problem |
| 19:19.21 | mort | exerd: ip forwarding |
| 19:19.26 | MadBrain | exerd: you have to do masquerading |
| 19:19.28 | mort | exerd: check out iptables |
| 19:19.41 | exerd | where can i find info about that? |
| 19:19.54 | shingouz | mort: no iptables are required to do simple forwarding afaik |
| 19:19.54 | MadBrain | the IP-Masquerading HOWTO is very good |
| 19:19.57 | jasoncohen | smacnay, check this out - http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
| 19:20.01 | beardy | !tell MadBrain about enter |
| 19:20.02 | mort | exerd: netfilter.org, ot google a bit, there are tons of iptables scripts out there |
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| 19:20.16 | green_earz | waynegrow: is the apt saucre list edit to sarge or stable instead of testing. to stay with stable |
| 19:20.21 | exerd | thanks everyone ill try this now |
| 19:20.34 | shingouz | mort: firewallin and masquerading are two different things |
| 19:21.12 | waynegrow | where can I find the apt source list to edit? |
| 19:21.22 | EdibleText | !ipforward |
| 19:21.23 | bobwJek | waynegrow: /etc/apt |
| 19:21.26 | mort | shingouz: yeah, you're right. but what would you suggest him? |
| 19:21.29 | jasoncohen | whiskers, what fixed it? |
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| 19:21.42 | shingouz | waynegrow: /etc/apt/sources.list. what did the cache search tell you? |
| 19:21.44 | EdibleText | !ipforwarding |
| 19:21.51 | shingouz | mort: the nat howto |
| 19:21.51 | crashbg | do i have to change my sources now after sarge is stable |
| 19:21.55 | EdibleText | dpkg damn you |
| 19:22.03 | shingouz | !nat |
| 19:22.03 | dpkg | i guess nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more fexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 19:22.10 | mikeX | crashbg, if the say 'testing' yes |
| 19:22.20 | mikeX | crashbg, better put 'sarge' to be certain |
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| 19:22.30 | crashbg | damn, so i did unstable upgrade ;PPPP |
| 19:22.32 | j_k | !ip forwarding |
| 19:22.32 | dpkg | ip forwarding is, like, enabled by "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward". Insert that line to the boot scripts so it's done every time the system is booted, or in debian, edit /etc/network/options and add (or change) ip_forward=yes |
| 19:22.35 | green_earz | mort: check out the link for forwarding > http://linuxgazette.net/103/odonovan.html |
| 19:22.35 | waynegrow | where can I find the correct links for the source list? |
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| 19:22.44 | jasoncohen | crashbg, what does your sources.list say now? If it says testing change to stable or sarge. if it says sarge don't change it. Just make sure you have a sarge security source |
| 19:22.46 | crashbg | i wondered why there are so many new packages hehe |
| 19:22.56 | crashbg | testing :) |
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| 19:22.57 | smacnay | jasoncohen: so your 990 and 500 settings are in /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 19:23.09 | shingouz | !wtfytd waynegrow |
| 19:23.09 | EdibleText | !ip_forwarding |
| 19:23.17 | crashbg | but there are no problem after the upgrade...hmm |
| 19:23.27 | green_earz | waynegrow: use apt-setup to help edit the apt saurce list |
| 19:23.27 | mort | green_earz: i've got it all set up nicely... |
| 19:23.29 | shingouz | waynegrow: apt-setup |
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| 19:23.33 | green_earz | ok |
| 19:23.36 | xNinja | hello...does someone know if i have a harddisk wich currepted and wont work again, how to get my data back ?? what is the best way and something wich is surely work ? |
| 19:23.40 | jasoncohen | smacnay, no, tha'ts done by apt.conf |
| 19:23.52 | shingouz | xNinja: corrupted? how? |
| 19:23.58 | drasko | hi all. How can I go back one screen during the debian instalation? |
| 19:24.02 | waynegrow | btw... thanks for all the help green_earz & shingouz |
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| 19:24.05 | xNinja | lets say the harddisk wont work again |
| 19:24.07 | green_earz | np |
| 19:24.08 | smacnay | jasoncohen: ok, I am reading the link you sent. |
| 19:24.16 | jasoncohen | smacnay, i don't have /etc/apt/preferences. i use apt.conf instead to set testing as my default release |
| 19:24.20 | shingouz | xNinja: let's say i don'ät have enough information |
| 19:24.38 | crashbg | jasoncohen, now you and me will have to put stable as default... |
| 19:24.49 | crashbg | because sarge is stable now :P |
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| 19:24.57 | tsw | Hi Ihave a small problem, when doing apt-get install .. it sits for 30seconds or so before connecting to the server. I think it has something to do with ipv6-ipv4 tunneling? |
| 19:25.08 | xNinja | i mean my harddisk currepted/wont work/hardware failure |
| 19:25.11 | green_earz | waynegrow: and for a bit of bed time reading > Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 19:25.30 | smacnay | jasoncohen: that is what I thought and am looking for more on how to set it up. There is a link in the man page I haven't read yet. Thanks. |
| 19:25.44 | jasoncohen | crashbg, you can set the default as sarge or stable |
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| 19:25.45 | shingouz | xNinja: so the data got corrupted, the motor does not turn or it just gave up the magic smoke? be more specific, man |
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| 19:26.03 | mrzoom | Hi, i'm sitting in Sid right now and i'm going to reinstall my computer to Sarge. I'm now useing kernel 2.6.5 and just wonder if i can use my old config in someway for kernel 2.6.8? |
| 19:26.05 | p67634 | is there a debian package for eclipse? |
| 19:26.05 | crashbg | jasoncohen, yes but you have testing as default wich is unstable :) |
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| 19:26.22 | jasoncohen | crashbg, setting to sarge will have to continue to update from sarge when etch releases. Having it set as stable will set it to use the most recent stable release. |
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| 19:26.28 | jasoncohen | crashbg, no! |
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| 19:26.32 | xNinja | shingouz whatever something like that....so is there a solution to get the databack whatever was the problem ? |
| 19:27.02 | crashbg | jasoncohen, stable=sarge now, unstable=sid or? |
| 19:27.03 | shingouz | xNinja: it depends on the problem you have. help me help you |
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| 19:27.30 | jasoncohen | crashbg, sid remains sid |
| 19:27.35 | shingouz | xNinja: if you are that badly versed in hardware hacking you should just send the drive off to Norman Ibas and cough up |
| 19:27.49 | jasoncohen | crashbg, testing will become etch |
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| 19:27.51 | crashbg | yes, sid is unstable... |
| 19:27.54 | jasoncohen | and sarge is the new stable |
| 19:27.57 | colde89 | join /debian.de |
| 19:28.09 | websdale | p67634: I don't think so, but installing the one off eclipse.org works fine anyway - I've got 3.0.2 |
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| 19:28.21 | drasko | hi all. How can I go back one screen during the debian woody instalation? |
| 19:28.30 | crashbg | jasoncohen, that is what i am asking - stable now i sarge and i have to change testing with stable |
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| 19:28.33 | p67634 | websdale, it works fine with jikes? cause i read it rejected sable |
| 19:28.50 | waynegrow | so should it say stable or sarge? |
| 19:28.56 | jasoncohen | crashbg, basically, if you want to use the stable release set your sources.list to stable or sarge. if you want to use testing set it to testing, and if you want to use unstable set it to unstable. |
| 19:29.00 | crashbg | drac, 1st: use sarge, it is official stable debian since couple of days now |
| 19:29.05 | xNinja | shingouz i dont have the problem now, what i am saying is...is there a solution to get the data whatever was the problem ? wich is the best way i want to do know it |
| 19:29.20 | websdale | p67634:sorry,you've lost me there |
| 19:29.27 | jasoncohen | when etch is closer to release you might want to specify etch so that you will stop updating when the release is finalized but that's a long way off |
| 19:29.28 | waynegrow | still can't apt-get distributed-net with sarge / stable |
| 19:29.41 | carters | xNinja:Where are you from? |
| 19:29.43 | drasko | anyone? how I move through the screens during installation? |
| 19:29.55 | xNinja | carters kuwait...why ? |
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| 19:30.06 | _daniel_ | Hi, I have debian sid since about 5 months, since It was move to stable, I thought doing a dist-upgrade, but last time I did that on a computer everything fucked up, Is there a way to do it, see if it works and accept it ? |
| 19:30.07 | shingouz | xNinja: it depends on the specific problem every single time. if you have a car that hits a pole, would you start by replacing the crankshaft? |
| 19:30.25 | websdale | p67634: I've been using it with the EPIC Perl plugin which does work & is pretty cool |
| 19:30.26 | drasko | xNinja, I did misstake about choosing something... about mouse... |
| 19:30.27 | crashbg | jasoncohen, that's what i am typing for 10 minutes...i am just asking because didn't know if debian developers have switched the sources so Woody is now,ehm,<stable :))) |
| 19:30.32 | carters | just :yninja |
| 19:30.53 | drasko | How can I go back one screen during the debian woody instalation? |
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| 19:31.07 | crashbg | drasko, is there back button? :) |
| 19:31.10 | resiak | _daniel_: Sid didn't become stable. |
| 19:31.20 | crashbg | lol, it is not windows :) |
| 19:31.21 | carters | xNinja:How do you do? |
| 19:31.24 | beardy | drasko: Why are you installing woody? |
| 19:31.30 | xNinja | shingouz i was thinking if thereis a solution for that because i know only 1 person who know how to get the databack if the harddisk failed to run, and hes taking alot of $$ |
| 19:31.32 | crashbg | _daniel_, Sarge is stable |
| 19:31.32 | _daniel_ | resiak, sarge isnt stable know ? |
| 19:31.36 | xNinja | so i want to know how |
| 19:31.41 | _daniel_ | ok yeah thats what I meant |
| 19:31.43 | resiak | _daniel_: Sarge is. "Hi, I have debian sid since about 5 months" |
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| 19:31.58 | xNinja | carters i am fine...is there something in ur mind to say ? |
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| 19:32.07 | resiak | _daniel_: Wait, you want to stay on Sarge or on testing? |
| 19:32.07 | _daniel_ | well I meant sarge |
| 19:32.08 | resiak | !ur |
| 19:32.08 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 19:32.10 | drasko | beardy, old computer, Sarge won't install for some reason... Installation just hangs... |
| 19:32.12 | xtension | !hi |
| 19:32.12 | dpkg | hello, xtension |
| 19:32.14 | cbr | is there any page where i can monitor the latest packages added/updated at the official repos? |
| 19:32.18 | d03boy | g |
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| 19:32.34 | shingouz | xNinja: he is taking a lot of dineros because he has a clue |
| 19:32.35 | _daniel_ | resiak, i dont know were I am know :( |
| 19:32.40 | |dennis| | !indus |
| 19:32.44 | xNinja | shingouz lol |
| 19:32.54 | shingouz | !clue xNinja |
| 19:33.02 | resiak | _daniel_: less /etc/apt/sources.list . If it says "testing", you're on testing at the moment. If it says "sarge", you're on Sarge. |
| 19:33.04 | websdale | drasko:maybe there's a boot option that would let you install sarge |
| 19:33.09 | _daniel_ | unstable |
| 19:33.11 | jasoncohen | waynegrow, you should be able to do apt-get install distributed-net |
| 19:33.25 | resiak | _daniel_: Then you're on Sid, and you should know this stuff. |
| 19:33.35 | smacnay | jasoncohen: I just altered the pinning in /etc/apt/preferences to 990 for sarge and 600 for unstable and about 227 packages popped up as being upgradeable. I found not hint of the syntax your showed me for putting the 990 and 600 in the apt.conf file. Where did you learn that? |
| 19:33.39 | jasoncohen | waynegrow, did you add non-free to your sources.list ? |
| 19:33.41 | websdale | drasko: like "noacpi" etc. |
| 19:33.41 | beardy | drasko: Is there any mouse configuration done in the installation..?, I can't remember exactly, but I doubt it. |
| 19:33.47 | resiak | !tell _daniel_ -about sid faq |
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| 19:33.57 | xNinja | shingouz so thereis multiple things if the harddisk failed to run...can you say them all ? |
| 19:34.04 | exerd | is this the right ipmasquerade faq http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ ? |
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| 19:34.11 | waynegrow | by golly jason thats it.... what should the like look like in sources.list for non-free |
| 19:34.25 | waynegrow | soryy... what should the line look like... |
| 19:34.29 | shingouz | xNinja: you gotta be kidding me, right? |
| 19:34.46 | jasoncohen | smacnay, you don't set it. By setting the default to testing it automatically uses 990 for testing and 500 for unstable |
| 19:34.46 | drac | crashbg? |
| 19:34.55 | crashbg | drac, yes? |
| 19:34.56 | xNinja | shingouz maybe you didnt understand me because of my bad english |
| 19:35.16 | jasoncohen | waynegrow, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ main contrib non-free |
| 19:35.32 | beardy | drasko: How much ram do you have in that "old computer"? |
| 19:35.35 | jasoncohen | smacnay, all you need in apt.conf is that one line i gave you |
| 19:35.37 | drac | crashbg: "[22:29] < crashbg> drac, 1st: use sarge..", that was bad nick completion? |
| 19:35.39 | resiak | jasoncohen: I think you're misssing the release name in there. |
| 19:35.43 | smacnay | jasoncohen: ah. so my preferences file is no longer needed. |
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| 19:35.59 | crashbg | drac, yes sorry :) |
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| 19:36.04 | drasko | beardy, 64M |
| 19:36.06 | drac | ah, no prob :b |
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| 19:36.18 | beardy | drasko: Should be more than enough. |
| 19:36.24 | kodek | hi people, quick question. where can i find a good hardware chatroom (either in this network or another network) |
| 19:36.27 | _daniel_ | resiak, so I better stay were I am know |
| 19:36.31 | crashbg | drasko was the nick i wanted |
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| 19:36.37 | _daniel_ | since everything works awesome |
| 19:36.38 | jasoncohen | resiak, lol, woops |
| 19:36.41 | resiak | _daniel_: There's nothing else you can do, apart from reinstall. |
| 19:36.41 | beardy | drasko: Try to find what the problem is and install sarge. |
| 19:36.42 | drasko | beardy, I know... Still everything seem to hang.. |
| 19:36.51 | shingouz | xNinja: maybe you didnt understand me. a harddrive is a very complex piece of machinery and it is not too simple to explain it all. |
| 19:36.58 | crashbg | drac, boot fschk? |
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| 19:37.02 | waynegrow | ok now what.... Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/main/contrib/binary-i386/Pack |
| 19:37.02 | waynegrow | ages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 208.185.25.35 80] |
| 19:37.05 | shingouz | xNinja: can you tell me *every* reason why a car does not work? |
| 19:37.08 | _daniel_ | reinstall ? |
| 19:37.13 | resiak | _daniel_: You cannot downgrade. |
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| 19:37.17 | resiak | !tell _daniel_ -about downgrade |
| 19:37.18 | toonX | when trying to run some game with cedega i get this error Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 19:37.18 | toonX | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 19:37.22 | resiak | _daniel_: You can just stay on Sid, though. |
| 19:37.32 | smacnay | jasoncohen: I feel somewhat (really more likely extremely) nervous when I see 217 unstable packages to be installed on this system (was updated as 'testing' until yesterday). Maybe I am overly cautious? |
| 19:37.39 | drasko | crashbg, ? |
| 19:37.39 | crashbg | toonX, are you using kdm or gdm |
| 19:37.45 | toonX | crashbg: kdm |
| 19:37.49 | kodek | can anyone help me with a new mobo/cpu/psu combo i bought? it's acting all weird. |
| 19:37.51 | _daniel_ | I will downgrade when I am back in the university, Ill tell one of the lug members to do it for me |
| 19:37.56 | _daniel_ | He did it once |
| 19:37.57 | websdale | drasko:go through the boot options methodically - do you get any messages when it hangs? |
| 19:38.09 | resiak | !tell _daniel_ -about nickprefix |
| 19:38.13 | pack | kodek: define weird |
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| 19:38.19 | jasoncohen | smacnay, apt-show-versions -U | grep unstable |
| 19:38.22 | resiak | </here> |
| 19:38.23 | jasoncohen | or -u |
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| 19:38.27 | toonX | crashbg: has that anything to do with cedega ? |
| 19:38.33 | _daniel_ | resiak, thanks :) |
| 19:38.36 | crashbg | toonX, yes |
| 19:38.46 | xNinja | shingouz sure sure you are right but what i am saying what is the best solution to get the databack for the most problems |
| 19:38.54 | toonX | crashbg: tell me if you know |
| 19:38.58 | crashbg | toonX, try xhost + |
| 19:39.00 | kodek | some symptoms: 2nd hard drive isnt detected, windows xp x64 installation crashes with corrupt file errors, bios menu displays weird characters, winxp 32 bits crashes before it gets to the boot screen. |
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| 19:39.09 | crashbg | and then run the game |
| 19:39.34 | shingouz | xNinja: send it to Norman Ibas and cough up. they have some steep prices |
| 19:39.36 | toonX | crashbg: access control disabled, clients can connect from any host |
| 19:39.42 | crashbg | yes |
| 19:39.47 | toonX | crashbg: cool , thanks |
| 19:39.50 | crashbg | BUT |
| 19:39.55 | drasko | websdale, no. Even Ubuntu hangs, warthy, and hoary. Fedora also. Progeny Debian also. Knoppix won't boot (in X). Just woody seems to work... |
| 19:39.57 | crashbg | it is a big security whole |
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| 19:40.08 | pack | kodek: sounds like bad memory or a heat issue. Make sure you have flashed the latest bios on the mother board, check the cpu temperature and then run memtest86 overnight to see if it gives you any errors |
| 19:40.12 | toonX | crashbg: but what ? |
| 19:40.20 | crashbg | you need firewall or everyone can connect to your xserver |
| 19:40.24 | d03boy | i cant figure this problem out |
| 19:40.28 | smacnay | jasoncohen: apt-show-versions ? |
| 19:40.36 | toonX | crashbg: uhm it means anybody can connect to my x server ? |
| 19:40.37 | xNinja | shingouz no i want to doit my self |
| 19:40.44 | kodek | pack: cpu temp varies a lot, it goes from 26 on some boots, to 46 on others |
| 19:40.48 | shingouz | xNinja: you really need a clue |
| 19:40.48 | jasoncohen | smacnay, yeah, you might need to install it |
| 19:40.48 | toonX | crashbg: i see |
| 19:40.50 | crashbg | yes, if it listens to a port |
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| 19:41.07 | toonX | crashbg: so to put it back would be like xhost - ? |
| 19:41.12 | kodek | pack: also, how can i flash the bios? giga-byte only supports windows to flash it |
| 19:41.14 | crashbg | you can disable this and in debian it is disabled by default with --nolisten or something |
| 19:41.21 | crashbg | toonX, correct :) |
| 19:41.23 | websdale | drasko:yes but all those are aimed at new machines.If you examine the boot options & turn some things off it may work |
| 19:41.32 | toonX | crashbg: good to know , thanks |
| 19:41.37 | d03boy | (firefox-bin:4171): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 19:41.41 | d03boy | this is why I cant open any apps |
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| 19:41.44 | crashbg | toonX, you can try also with xhost +localhost |
| 19:41.46 | xNinja | :) |
| 19:42.02 | toonX | crashbg: the latter sounds safer |
| 19:42.03 | websdale | drasko:what machine is it? |
| 19:42.12 | waynegrow | ok.. when i add deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ main contrib non-free to the apt list then do apt-get update it comes back with all kinds of errors |
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| 19:42.24 | drasko | websdale, you mean before pressing enter at the first splash? |
| 19:42.26 | crashbg | yes :) does it work? i play hl2, wow and dialblo2 lod in cedega :) |
| 19:42.43 | j_k | acrobatd: you're missing a distribution. |
| 19:42.44 | czm | Has anyone here ever successfully setup a Alcatel Speedtouch USB ADSL Modem.. debian? |
| 19:42.44 | pack | kodek: i'm not sure you'll have to check the gigibyte site. |
| 19:42.46 | crashbg | toonX, you can also install point2play |
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| 19:42.52 | drasko | how to go back/forward screen in debconf? |
| 19:42.55 | j_k | acrobatd: i mean waynegrow |
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| 19:43.04 | beardy | !polls |
| 19:43.04 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:43.08 | toonX | crashbg: now it bitches about this Moving all local fonts to /home/toonx//.transgaming_global/Fonts and removing local Fonts directory |
| 19:43.12 | toonX | /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/wine: cannot open 'D:\opt\Warcraft III\War3.exe' |
| 19:43.20 | kodek | pack: antoher question. is there a utility to check my memory i can run off knoppix? i somehow managed to get knoppix working. |
| 19:43.22 | toonX | crashbg: but that's just me |
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| 19:43.33 | crashbg | toonX, why don't you remove kdm |
| 19:43.35 | toonX | crashbg: point2play ? is it like cedega? |
| 19:43.35 | crashbg | and xdm |
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| 19:43.44 | j_k | waynegrow: you must put the distribution name (aka sarge, testing, stable, ...) before the sections |
| 19:43.46 | crashbg | toonX, it is graphical frontend for cedega |
| 19:43.53 | crashbg | for installing games, configuring, etc. |
| 19:44.05 | toonX | crashbg: where to get it ? |
| 19:44.08 | websdale | drasko: yes - when you start up & you can press different function keys for options & help & there's a prompt... |
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| 19:44.14 | toonX | crashbg: i like more kdm than gdm or xdm |
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| 19:44.25 | crashbg | i mean remove all *dm |
| 19:44.38 | smacnay | jasoncohen: got it, ran it, and it showed two packages. Why the difference between it and what apt-get -s dist-upgrade shows (217)? |
| 19:44.41 | crashbg | turn on xforwarding in ssh |
| 19:44.41 | toonX | crashbg: same place where i got cedega , right |
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| 19:44.41 | xNinja | shingouz thanks anyway :) |
| 19:44.47 | crashbg | toonX, yes :) |
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| 19:45.01 | xNinja | peace |
| 19:45.07 | twb | Hello. |
| 19:45.13 | crashbg | i used to mess up with *dm but you cant beat them :)))) better remove them |
| 19:45.18 | kodek | how can i check my memory from knoppix? |
| 19:45.20 | kodek | is it possible? |
| 19:45.23 | jasoncohen | smacnay, now run apt-show-versions -u | grep testing |
| 19:45.29 | beardy | !knoppix |
| 19:45.29 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or no more debian then mandrake is redhat. |
| 19:45.38 | kodek | :) |
| 19:45.43 | twb | Anybody know how the debian installer gets the nice thin text on the console? |
| 19:45.43 | kodek | be right back :) |
| 19:46.04 | j_k | twb: it uses the framebuffer device. |
| 19:46.04 | twb | I assume it's just a nice PSF font. |
| 19:46.04 | beardy | kodek: try 'memtest' at boot: |
| 19:46.18 | crashbg | toonX, point2play is not free if you want it integrated with cedega, BUT! In the help of point2play is described how can you integrate your current installation of cedega with p2p so it is freeeeee |
| 19:46.18 | kodek | i'll try that, thank you |
| 19:46.20 | Dabian | beardy : lilo: linux memtest |
| 19:46.22 | smacnay | jasoncohen: I took testing out of my sources - changed them to sarge. |
| 19:46.23 | Dabian | beardy ? |
| 19:46.29 | twb | j_k: I'm using vesafb console now, but by default it's a really thick font. |
| 19:46.45 | j_k | twb: ah, there's also bterm or something I think. |
| 19:46.59 | beardy | Dabian: ? |
| 19:47.04 | toonX | crashbg: cool , hope i'll get it to work |
| 19:47.21 | Dabian | beardy : Well, you DID say during BOOT, didn't YOU? |
| 19:47.24 | pack | kodek i don't use knoppix so idon't know, but google for memtest86, there's a bootable cd image that you can burn |
| 19:47.24 | twb | j_k: bterm? |
| 19:47.26 | Dabian | /bin/sh: yow: not found |
| 19:47.47 | crashbg | lol |
| 19:47.48 | crashbg | haha |
| 19:47.57 | Dabian | :-P |
| 19:47.58 | j_k | twb: a framebuffer-based terminal emulator, whose name I don't remember exactly. |
| 19:48.06 | xtension | Dabian /bin/sh -> bash |
| 19:48.13 | Dabian | xtension : Yeah |
| 19:48.18 | smacnay | jasoncohen: ran it - none came up. |
| 19:48.20 | smacnay | jasoncohen: brb |
| 19:48.32 | xtension | Dabian its a link to bash |
| 19:48.34 | j_k | twb: bogl-bterm |
| 19:48.44 | Dabian | xtension : lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4 2004-06-03 21:55 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 19:48.46 | jasoncohen | smacnay, strange |
| 19:48.54 | j_k | twb: there are others you may want to try as well. |
| 19:48.57 | Dabian | xtension : -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 83960 2005-05-11 18:32 /bin/dash |
| 19:49.01 | gba | hello, can someone tell me why there are only 7 or 8 (if you count the manual selection) tasks in tasksel? is there a technical reason? |
| 19:49.04 | Dabian | oh .. .. dash? |
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| 19:49.13 | waynegrow | yes I got it working !!! |
| 19:49.17 | Dabian | xtension : dash (1) - command interpreter (shell) |
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| 19:49.23 | jasoncohen | smacnay, well, there should be no sarge updates- nothing from security yet. |
| 19:49.34 | CosmoDad | what do I have to do client-side in order to make my machine receive its hostname via DHCP? |
| 19:49.38 | jasoncohen | smacnay, do you still have /etc/apt/preferences ? |
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| 19:49.52 | Dabian | gba : Yes and yes. |
| 19:49.55 | jasoncohen | smacnay, if you do move or uncomment the preferences |
| 19:50.00 | twb | CosmoDad: See the interfaces manpage, and /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 19:50.10 | Dabian | gba : No me though. |
| 19:50.13 | jasoncohen | smacnay, send me the output from your sources.list and apt.conf file |
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| 19:50.23 | gezick | does anyone in here have any experience debugging pptp (using pptpd and mppe) connections? |
| 19:50.23 | gba | Dabian: okay |
| 19:50.35 | beardy | !anyone |
| 19:50.35 | dpkg | anyone is probably ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:50.37 | gezick | (using debian as the server) |
| 19:50.43 | beardy | gezick: Ask your question please. |
| 19:50.56 | Dabian | gba : There is no explanation in the man-page, info-page, or /usr/share/doc/tasksel ? |
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| 19:51.24 | Gumby | does anyone know of an app in linux that will help design a box given specific specs? LxWxH or internal volume etc |
| 19:51.25 | Dabian | gezick : Where mppe == mpe ? |
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| 19:51.26 | CosmoDad | twb: I did. The hostname option is not what I want, as it seems. What do you mean exactly? |
| 19:51.38 | gba | Dabian: i search on the mailing lists but without outcome |
| 19:51.55 | Dabian | gba : Then it must be in the docs or the source! |
| 19:51.58 | gezick | i've set up pptpd using the howto at http://poptop.sourceforge.net/dox/debian-howto.phtml and all seems to be functioning fine, but when i try to connect, it just hangs right up. the debug output makes it look like a connection is being establised, but then right ater i get Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/3 i get Modem Hangup |
| 19:51.59 | twb | CosmoDad: In my interfaces file, I just have "auto eth0 |
| 19:51.59 | twb | iface eth0 inet dhcp". |
| 19:52.18 | CosmoDad | twb: and what is the content of your /etc/hosts, /etc/mailname? |
| 19:52.21 | Dabian | gezick : How did you PATCH your KERNEL? |
| 19:52.25 | gezick | wondering if it might have something to do with the firewall at my office, or the pptp client in os x, or sunspots |
| 19:52.26 | j_k | CosmoDad: IIRC the kernel client sets the hostname, or you'll have to see the documentation/scrips for your dhcp client. Also remove /etc/hostname. |
| 19:52.30 | gba | Dabian: i wonder why isn't there for example a Gnome and a seperate KDE task |
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| 19:52.37 | gezick | dabian: using make-kpkg |
| 19:52.57 | twb | CosmoDad: Dunno, everything else got set automatically. /etc/resolv.conf was written at install-time, I think. |
| 19:52.59 | j_k | CosmoDad: obviously you want the kernel client only for diskless machines. |
| 19:53.01 | CosmoDad | j_k: what about mailname for example? |
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| 19:53.04 | Dabian | gezick : Which patches are you applying to which kernel version? |
| 19:53.07 | gezick | the ppp-compress-18 package was modprobe'd successfully. |
| 19:53.11 | beardy | !tell Dabian about caps |
| 19:53.21 | j_k | CosmoDad: that's something else which belongs to you MTA's configuration. |
| 19:53.24 | p67634 | which jvm is most mature? |
| 19:53.27 | p67634 | sable? |
| 19:53.28 | gezick | dabian: mppe to 2.6.11 |
| 19:53.29 | Dabian | !tell beardy about woody->sarge |
| 19:53.33 | CosmoDad | j_k: ok... |
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| 19:54.06 | Dabian | gezick : Not mpe? Whats mppe? |
| 19:54.09 | gezick | Dabian: but just used the module created therein to put into my running 2.6.11 kernel (since that module was the only thing i built) |
| 19:54.25 | benjamindees | does Debian include a utility to convert ps files to pdf? |
| 19:54.31 | Dabian | gezick : Is it multiplexing label switching or something? |
| 19:54.34 | websdale | p67634: are you particular about using a free jvm ? |
| 19:54.35 | CosmoDad | thx |
| 19:54.47 | Dabian | benjamindees : Yeah, it does. |
| 19:54.52 | gezick | Dabian: apt-get install kernel-patch-mppe, it's encrypted compression for pptp tunnels |
| 19:55.10 | Dabian | gezick : Oh ok .. sorry .. I guess I am clueless then. :( |
| 19:55.14 | benjamindees | Dabian, any idea? I can't find it. Gimp? |
| 19:55.29 | Dabian | gezick : I went swan, but without success.. |
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| 19:55.56 | mrex | glxinfo gives me OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4. I need OpenGL 1.3. I've got the latest unstable xlibmesa* packages. What do i need to install/change to convince it to get to use version 1.3 |
| 19:56.07 | gezick | is there anyone not behind a firewall that could try connecting to my pptp server so i can see if that has something to do with it? |
| 19:56.14 | websdale | gezick:you're sure the modem is 100% ? |
| 19:56.19 | Dabian | gezick : Then again, I didn't try real hard, since it was only for the "heck of it". ;-) |
| 19:56.31 | gezick | websdale: it's not a real modem. |
| 19:56.38 | Dabian | gezick : What no wall? |
| 19:57.17 | gezick | Dabian: i'm behind a firewall and wondering if that's what could be messing up my attempts to connect to the pptp server |
| 19:57.18 | gu | benjamindees: i think ps2pdf will suit |
| 19:57.45 | benjamindees | gu, what package is it in? |
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| 19:58.12 | d03boy | I'm getting these errors when I try to open anything: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server\n Xlib: No protocol specified\n (firefox-bin:4763): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 19:58.14 | benjamindees | gu, ah, nvm |
| 19:58.18 | d03boy | what does that mean? |
| 19:58.30 | Dabian | gezick Which firewall? Some kinda wrt or ? |
| 19:58.43 | gezick | Dabian: an iptables based firewall |
| 19:58.49 | Dabian | d03boy : Use "ssh -X" |
| 19:59.07 | Dabian | gezick : Oh .. so your machine is filtering self? |
| 19:59.26 | d03boy | Dabian, I'm not in ssh... I'm in X win trying this and it still isnt working |
| 19:59.32 | gu | benjamindees: gs-common. But apt-file search ps2pdf would have answered, too |
| 19:59.35 | Dabian | gezick : I realize there might be problems if you're utilizing NAT, right? |
| 19:59.44 | d03boy | Dabian, see why I'm confused? |
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| 20:00.03 | gezick | Dabian: no. my machine is sitting on a network with a iptables based firewall sitting between it and the internet, my pptp server is sitting directly on the internet |
| 20:00.06 | Dabian | d03boy : Yea |
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| 20:00.16 | Dabian | d03boy : You should get a proper debian installatino. |
| 20:00.19 | gezick | Dabian: what sort of problems, as my client machine is being nat'ed |
| 20:00.26 | d03boy | Dabian, it worked before |
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| 20:01.05 | Dabian | gezick : I guess adding logging on the wall isn't a feasable option? |
| 20:01.06 | benjamindees | gu, thanks, didn't know about that |
| 20:01.12 | justin | d03boy: did you fill up your home partition? |
| 20:01.13 | d03boy | in fact, i'm in xchat right now along with some other gui's |
| 20:01.27 | d03boy | justin, i dont remember the command to check, mind telling me it? |
| 20:01.29 | gezick | Dabian: no. i don't have direct to that just now. the fwadmin is out with walking pnuemonia |
| 20:01.35 | justin | d03boy: df? |
| 20:01.38 | gu | benjamindees: np. now you can teach it to someone else :) |
| 20:01.38 | Dabian | d03boy : Try "exit" |
| 20:01.39 | sh4dowcat | d03boy: you're not trying to run firefox as root are you? |
| 20:01.54 | d03boy | sh4dowcat, not unless I logged in as root for some stupid reason |
| 20:02.01 | Dabian | gezick : Have you nmapped it? |
| 20:02.13 | sh4dowcat | d03boy: you should be able to tell |
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| 20:02.28 | Dabian | gezick : (Carefull - some stupid countries outlaw that ..) |
| 20:02.28 | d03boy | sh4dowcat, im 99% sure I didnt log in as root |
| 20:02.35 | d03boy | and no, none of my drives are full |
| 20:02.38 | sh4dowcat | bah |
| 20:02.42 | sh4dowcat | you and your weird errors |
| 20:02.47 | gezick | Dabian: what good would doing that do? |
| 20:03.01 | Dabian | sh4dowcat : Eat your locust. |
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| 20:03.24 | beardy | !away |
| 20:03.25 | dpkg | We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. so please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, as there are over 800 people here. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. in BX, /set auto_away off, /saveirc, or nick changes are just as annoying |
| 20:03.33 | Dabian | gezick : Well, nmapping a lot would give you an idea what the thing is filtering .. |
| 20:03.38 | sh4dowcat | Dabian: I was referring to d03boy |
| 20:03.47 | websdale | gezick:have you got access to the server logs? |
| 20:04.00 | d03boy | sh4dowcat, if it helps, I'm in fluxbox |
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| 20:04.02 | Dabian | gezick : Then you could log on your own host .. but maybe check the existing logs first. |
| 20:04.09 | gezick | websdale: on the vpn server yes, on the machine running the firewall no. |
| 20:04.15 | sh4dowcat | d03boy: not sure |
| 20:04.17 | sh4dowcat | I use KDE |
| 20:04.27 | d03boy | k |
| 20:04.34 | Dabian | sh4dowcat : sh4dowmouse == d03boy ? |
| 20:04.44 | sh4dowcat | no |
| 20:04.52 | sh4dowcat | d03boy and I know each other from another network |
| 20:04.59 | websdale | gezick:what does the vpn box think is going on? |
| 20:05.03 | Dabian | ahh .. and you kick his pork! :-) |
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| 20:05.25 | Azar | yay I got my first Debian screen snapshot: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/images/screen.jpg :) thank everyone who helped me put a right Debian on my PC |
| 20:05.48 | usn | hi all |
| 20:06.09 | Dabian | sh4dowcat : Nah .. now I *am* confused ... .. . |
| 20:06.28 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 20:06.34 | sh4dowcat | I'm off to compile OO 2. |
| 20:06.35 | sh4dowcat | 0 |
| 20:06.38 | Dabian | sh4dowcat : YOu have helped d03 before, right? |
| 20:06.42 | Epod69 | hey, i created a link in the folder /usr/games/ut that points to /usr/local/games/ut/ut, and when i run the link i get an error saying, Couldn't run Unreal Tournament (ut-bin). Is UT_DATA_PATH set?, but if i run the original ut file in the original folder, it works. Anyone know the cause to this problem ? |
| 20:06.53 | d03boy | Dabian, he hangs out on efnet, as do I. |
| 20:07.11 | Dabian | Epod69 : I have a great idea of it. |
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| 20:07.23 | asmatiks | alcootest? |
| 20:07.27 | justin | Epod69: don't make a link, make a shell script that changes into the directory and runs the game |
| 20:07.44 | gezick | websdale: it thinks that it's connected then immed hangup |
| 20:07.52 | Epod69 | justin, not that smart |
| 20:07.53 | Dabian | Epod69 : Reading the readme and follwring it, would - most likely - solve your small problem. |
| 20:07.55 | Epod69 | =P |
| 20:08.06 | hunger | Is there a list of goals set for etch? I found some for the QA team, but not for others. |
| 20:08.15 | Epod69 | dabian, the installer placed the links there, not me |
| 20:08.33 | Dabian | Epod69 How do you mean? |
| 20:08.43 | gezick | websdale: to be more specific, http://pastebin.ca/13750 |
| 20:08.44 | mrex | know of any other channels that may be able to help with opengl library installations? |
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| 20:09.08 | Epod69 | the installer i used to install unreal tournment asked if i wanted to install links and i said yes and that is where the installer put them |
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| 20:09.19 | Dabian | Epod69 : The UT has an installer? |
| 20:09.27 | Epod69 | yes |
| 20:09.29 | beardy | mrex: Have you asked your question? |
| 20:09.46 | Dabian | Epod69 : OK .. I guess the installer did only half a job .. or maybe you need to close your xterm and open it again. |
| 20:09.47 | mrex | yup - should i put it up again? |
| 20:10.01 | drasko | how to add flash plugin for totem? |
| 20:10.06 | jasoncohen | smacnay, back yet? |
| 20:10.12 | Epod69 | but anyways, how can the link not work.. |
| 20:10.27 | Epod69 | dabian...yes, i have done that, it doesnt work loading from a file manager either |
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| 20:10.40 | Dabian | Epod69 : Working dir is wrong. |
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| 20:10.45 | mrex | beardy: yup - should i put it up again? |
| 20:10.59 | Epod69 | dabian, what does that mean? |
| 20:11.09 | Dabian | Epod69 : YOu need to set that environment variable for stuff to play Bethoven. |
| 20:11.26 | Dabian | ;-= |
| 20:11.30 | asmatiks | ALKOVE u around? |
| 20:11.32 | Dabian | ;-> |
| 20:11.35 | p67634 | websdale, well im not planning on paying for a jvm :D |
| 20:11.44 | asmatiks | no more debian |
| 20:11.44 | p67634 | so i want a good mature free jvm :D |
| 20:11.46 | Epod69 | dabian, sorry, dont understand what you are saying |
| 20:11.52 | twb | Hmm. Anybody know how I can work out what font the debian installer uses? |
| 20:11.59 | Dabian | asmatiks : Eat your locust. |
| 20:12.01 | asmatiks | now let's talk about LESBIAN ;) |
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| 20:12.16 | gezick | websdale: if i try to connect from the same machine the server is running on, i get http://pastebin.ca/13752 |
| 20:12.18 | j_k | twb: did you try bogl-bterm? |
| 20:12.20 | Dabian | Epod69 : That is vhy who have a prroblem. :-D |
| 20:12.21 | asmatiks | deb's relax |
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| 20:12.27 | jasoncohen | ftp.debian.org has been updated...121 updates, 9 new packages :) |
| 20:12.27 | websdale | p67634:I mean free as in freedom not free as in beer - suns jvm is free to use |
| 20:12.31 | Dabian | Epod69 : Lemme try to explain. |
| 20:12.42 | gezick | websdale: which makes me think that it is working, and that i've got a firewall problem? |
| 20:12.46 | gu | mrex: mmmh apt-get install libglut3-dev and its dependencies ? |
| 20:12.52 | twb | j_k: It appears to want a .bgf-format font, which I don't appear to have any of. |
| 20:13.00 | asmatiks | i've just being watching a latina hot movie |
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| 20:13.13 | shingouz | asmatiks: go watch another one |
| 20:13.13 | p67634 | websdale, i prefer the freedom if quality is comparable |
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| 20:13.30 | asmatiks | no i has relaxed me |
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| 20:14.02 | Dabian | Epod69: Try this command: EXPORT UT_DATA_PATH=/usr/local/games/ut/ut |
| 20:14.06 | asmatiks | now i was just wondering how could i recover a file i've lost ... surely by coding another src |
| 20:14.24 | shingouz | wtf? sylpheed-claws on sid doesn't like to show news messages at all, claims "this message can't be displayed'. grrrr... |
| 20:14.32 | Dabian | Epod69: Try this command: export UT_DATA_PATH=/usr/local/games/ut/ut |
| 20:14.40 | gezick | websdale: any ideas? |
| 20:14.41 | mrex | gu: thx, but that didn't change it. any other ideas? |
| 20:14.47 | Dabian | shingouz : Eheheheheee! |
| 20:14.54 | Dabian | shingouz :-D |
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| 20:15.06 | twb | shingouz: can you still talk to the news server? |
| 20:15.10 | Dabian | shingouz : Considered switching to Evolution, or eat your locust? |
| 20:15.19 | shingouz | twb: goog point. lemme check |
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| 20:15.24 | Epod69 | dabian, it gives same error |
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| 20:15.30 | shingouz | Dabian: on this slow old box? dream on |
| 20:15.35 | Dabian | Epod69 : What do you mean? |
| 20:15.48 | Dabian | shingouz : Slow it is, the box? How? |
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| 20:16.10 | mrex | gu: I think i may have fiddled in /usr/XR11/lib - but it should be back to what it was. If I delete that directory and install the xlib* packages will that fix it? |
| 20:16.13 | Epod69 | same error output after typing it what you told me and then running the link again |
| 20:16.20 | shingouz | Dabian: dual P1-133, 256M ram |
| 20:16.41 | Dabian | shingouz : Heard of mutt? |
| 20:16.47 | shingouz | twb: nice catch, my isp has closed the nntp and set up a new one. asshats |
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| 20:17.04 | websdale | gezick:I have to admit I've not used pptp - how do you initiate a connection on the client? |
| 20:17.06 | twb | shingouz: np. |
| 20:17.16 | twb | j_k: you're right, d-i appears to use bterm. |
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| 20:17.26 | Epod69 | ok, i fixed it, i set it to /usr/local/games/ut/Sytem |
| 20:17.31 | gezick | pon $tunnelname |
| 20:17.35 | Dabian | Epod69 :: Coool! :-) |
| 20:17.40 | Epod69 | thanx dabian for the help!! =) |
| 20:17.51 | Dabian | Epod69 : Happy it workx! |
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| 20:18.02 | shingouz | nntp workzz0rz again |
| 20:18.06 | Epod69 | well, g2g, bye |
| 20:18.09 | Dabian | Epod69 : I like people to game with their gnu systems! |
| 20:18.11 | Afzal | Is it necessary to install grub or lilo when I have only one partition with only debian on it? |
| 20:18.23 | Dabian | OK .. that sucker left fast! |
| 20:18.23 | gu | mrex: i think that if you rm /usr/X11R6/lib/ you'll be in a big mess... |
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| 20:18.31 | Dabian | s/sucker/fellow/ |
| 20:18.43 | deepz | hey dude i need import my Ms outlook mails into thunderbird however i do not see outlook in wizard |
| 20:18.50 | Dabian | gu: What if you "rm -rf" it? |
| 20:18.56 | deepz | while selecting |
| 20:19.09 | simprix | I am trying to build my first debian package and when i run fakeroot dpkg -b . test.deb and then i run the program it is still looking in the normal path /home/simprix/code/usr not just /usr |
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| 20:19.13 | gu | Dabian: well, you're in a big mess, faster |
| 20:19.15 | gu | :) |
| 20:19.25 | Dabian | knj : Hejsa, med dig og dine! |
| 20:19.28 | Dabian | gu: :-) |
| 20:19.52 | twb | Whee, a mediaeval-type font! Looks cool, but it's a little hard to read. |
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| 20:19.58 | XTF | Does it make sense filing bugs for KDE related packages considering KDE in Sarge is 3.3 and 3.4 is out? |
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| 20:20.12 | gu | mrex: what do you mean by "that didn't change it". Can you compile a source with opengl functions ? |
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| 20:20.19 | Skyblaze | why in others desktop environment, that aren't gnome, in firefox i see the pages like they move a little on the screen.....a sort of tremble |
| 20:20.29 | Skyblaze | the charafcters i mean |
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| 20:21.25 | mrex | gu: What I need is openGL 1.3 and not 1.2...The openGL version stayed at 1.2. all searches on google with similar output have version 1.3 (output from glxinfo) |
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| 20:21.49 | crashbg | when i add source to sources.list of apt, how can i view what it contains, e.g. main, contrib, non-free, non-us... like these |
| 20:21.59 | WhiteRabbit | whens sid goin to testing & what will be the next unstable branch's names |
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| 20:22.21 | ribnitz | WhiteRabbit: new unstable is sid, new testing is etch.. |
| 20:22.25 | takatumi | WhiteRabbit: sid is not going to testing |
| 20:22.43 | gba | I just read the man page and the README of tasksel but i din't find a hint why there are only few tasks |
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| 20:22.45 | JohnnyST | Has etch started? |
| 20:22.55 | WhiteRabbit | ribnitz, weres the netinstall cd for etch? |
| 20:23.02 | shadowc4t | jeez |
| 20:23.03 | shadowc4t | guys |
| 20:23.10 | shadowc4t | you can wait a week for XOrg |
| 20:23.18 | takatumi | gba: why not just run aptitude and install what you need? |
| 20:23.20 | websdale | gezick:have you seen http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-diagnosis.phtml ? |
| 20:23.20 | jasoncohen | crashbg, what do you mean? how do you know what packages are in main, contrib, or non-free. non-us doesn't exist anymore |
| 20:23.24 | shadowc4t | let the release team rest ffs |
| 20:23.30 | ribnitz | WhiteRabbit: what changes as to (sarge) do you expect after two days? |
| 20:23.30 | deepz | hey please solve my thunderbird mail client problem |
| 20:23.47 | beardy | Skyblaze: We can't solve your riddles. Be specific, make sense. '/msg dpkg ask' and 'smart questions' |
| 20:23.48 | ribnitz | deepz: Its just the mail, right? |
| 20:23.50 | deepz | i want to import my mails from ms outlook to thunderbird |
| 20:23.53 | shadowc4t | ribnitz: I think he's expecting a rm -rf / |
| 20:23.56 | deepz | how do i do it |
| 20:23.58 | benjamindees | deepz, you have to export them from outlook first |
| 20:24.10 | gba | takatumi: no, i just want to know if there are technical problems or if there are organisational problems that prevent the devs from creating more tasks |
| 20:24.12 | crashbg | jasoncohen, it is like i have a site that i know it contains deb files |
| 20:24.23 | crashbg | i add it to sources.list |
| 20:24.26 | deepz | i have the .pst file with me |
| 20:24.29 | benjamindees | deepz, er, actually, you have to run thunderbird on windows to do it |
| 20:24.29 | WhiteRabbit | ribnitz, 4 main things the latest desktops such as kde 3.4 & gnome 2.10 & xorg 6.8.2 & the kernel 2.6.11 |
| 20:24.33 | ribnitz | deepz: I'd personally do an upload to an imap server and then configure the mailer for that. |
| 20:24.36 | takatumi | gba: scan the debian-devel mailing list for clues. |
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| 20:24.42 | gu | mrex: never been involved in such opengl-version problems... just apt-get remove all the gl stuff and find an up-to-date standalone library distribution if you can... |
| 20:24.44 | crashbg | but i don't know what options i can add |
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| 20:24.57 | WhiteRabbit | ribnitz, I can live with the rest but those 4 things are the firestone of linux for me |
| 20:24.57 | ribnitz | WhiteRabbit: go for sid, but know it is unstable. |
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| 20:25.05 | deepz | no i have goner through certain amt of help and it says it shld appera in import wizard |
| 20:25.06 | Skyblaze | beardy, the fact is that this problem is really strange to explain |
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| 20:25.20 | crashbg | like deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 20:25.22 | lewis | how can I list the size of every public_html directory in /home/$user/? i.e. 'du -s -h /home/*/public_html' or similar |
| 20:25.27 | ribnitz | WhiteRabbit: I run sid. its not that bad. |
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| 20:25.40 | crashbg | i can add after main contrib for example |
| 20:25.43 | shivraj | is sarge still in testing ? |
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| 20:25.49 | jasoncohen | crashbg, oh, well the site will say |
| 20:25.49 | crashbg | shivraj, no |
| 20:25.53 | ribnitz | lewis: some find -exec combo |
| 20:25.56 | crashbg | jasoncohen, oh ok :) |
| 20:25.58 | mrex | gu: thx - trying to purge stuff and reinstall it at the mo. |
| 20:25.59 | jasoncohen | crashbg, for marillat you just add main |
| 20:25.59 | gu | shivraj: cute question, really |
| 20:26.04 | deepz | benjamindees |
| 20:26.08 | lewis | ribnitz: for du? |
| 20:26.09 | shivraj | its stable ? |
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| 20:26.12 | crashbg | yes i know, i gave it as an example |
| 20:26.12 | ribnitz | shivraj: no izs stable. |
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| 20:26.17 | crashbg | yes, stable it is |
| 20:26.18 | deepz | r u there |
| 20:26.18 | jasoncohen | crashbg, why are you using unstable marillat? don't you run testing? |
| 20:26.19 | chrisvv | does somebody know how to apply a .deb kernel patch ? |
| 20:26.19 | greycat | shivraj: /topic |
| 20:26.23 | gu | shivraj: yeaaah |
| 20:26.25 | benjamindees | deepz, last time I did it, because of how outlook is integrated into the OS, I had to run thunderbird from the windows box that had outlook on it |
| 20:26.25 | Anders1 | lewis: du -hs /home/*/public_html/ |
| 20:26.30 | crashbg | yes |
| 20:26.34 | shivraj | so I should edit my sources.list file ?? or does it matter ? |
| 20:26.38 | lewis | Anders1: so I was right? |
| 20:26.38 | deepz | okk |
| 20:26.40 | beardy | Skyblaze: Yes, I can imagine that it is, but you wont get any good help/answers if you aren't specific. |
| 20:26.40 | shivraj | woody and sarge such gay names |
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| 20:26.48 | Anders1 | lewis: yes |
| 20:26.49 | monsoon | hi, having an issue here, trying to connect debian netinstall to a network, that shouldnt require any authentication or anything, I have the cable plugged into this windows machine and theres no problem, but when I connect to the linux machine, it can connect with dhclient to network, but cant reach the internet |
| 20:27.02 | jasoncohen | crashbg, then you'll want marillat testing |
| 20:27.02 | waynegrow | shivraj , yes change all lines to read sarge instead of testing |
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| 20:27.05 | ribnitz | lewis: find / -name public_html -type f -exec 'du -h {}' ; |
| 20:27.05 | lewis | oooh - good work Anders |
| 20:27.05 | takatumi | shivraj: toy story, google. |
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| 20:27.13 | greycat | ribnitz: \; |
| 20:27.15 | crashbg | jasoncohen, yes now i will want it :) |
| 20:27.23 | jasoncohen | crashbg, he gives the appropriate lines on http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat/ |
| 20:27.26 | lewis | ribnitz: my idea worked - thanks anyhow |
| 20:27.48 | shivraj | it already says sarge, should I change it to stable ? |
| 20:27.57 | waynegrow | nope |
| 20:27.57 | ribnitz | greycat: rarely use find -exec, as you see |
| 20:27.59 | crashbg | jasoncohen, a few days ago it was correct...unstable because i was with testing :) |
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| 20:28.04 | takatumi | shivraj: doesn't matter. |
| 20:28.40 | waynegrow | i thought that woody was stable ? |
| 20:28.48 | jasoncohen | crashbg, um..no. testing is still testing. so you were wrong to use unstable with testing then. |
| 20:28.51 | takatumi | waynegrow: was. |
| 20:28.51 | shingouz | waynegrow: /topic |
| 20:28.54 | gu | waynegrow: it WAS |
| 20:29.09 | waynegrow | ahhh.. |
| 20:29.12 | monsoon | anyone? |
| 20:29.14 | Skyblaze | beardy, ok then.....let's say that it seems like if the lines of text on web pages move-tremble a little on the screen and so also smiles in forum for example |
| 20:29.16 | crashbg | jasoncohen, some sources like debian.bootsplash.de doesn't have stable or testing, just unstable |
| 20:29.22 | crashbg | what are you gonna do then? |
| 20:29.38 | jasoncohen | use unstable if you have to |
| 20:29.38 | chrisvv | any body has used UML linux ? |
| 20:29.48 | jasoncohen | but you should be careful. unofficial sources can be dangerous |
| 20:29.49 | chrisvv | i mean usermode linux |
| 20:29.49 | shingouz | monsoon: that 'anyone' is real annoying, reminds me of school |
| 20:29.57 | Skyblaze | only if i load gnome-settings-daemon all is ok |
| 20:30.09 | monsoon | oh i apologize then |
| 20:30.11 | gu | monsoon: check your DNS adresses and routing config |
| 20:30.30 | crashbg | jasoncohen, so non-us doesn't exist now? |
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| 20:30.49 | waynegrow | just non-free now i think |
| 20:30.51 | shingouz | monsoon: if you are trying to use the doze box as a router you need to configure it to act like a router too |
| 20:31.05 | shingouz | !topicsmite crashbg |
| 20:31.06 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon crashbg. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:31.27 | monsoon | shingouz, Im not, I just unplug the cable from the win box, and into the lin box |
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| 20:31.37 | jasoncohen | crashbg, no it does not. it's right in the topic and in sarge release notes. |
| 20:31.57 | Stormy | are the ati raedon drivers in apt ? |
| 20:31.59 | shingouz | monsoon: so is debian already installed or are you trying to install it now? |
| 20:32.00 | crashbg | oh yes, it is in the last part :))) |
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| 20:32.17 | streuner | Stormy: /msg dpkg ati |
| 20:32.19 | monsoon | shingouz, base debian is installed only |
| 20:32.21 | crashbg | thanks, i have to update my sources... |
| 20:32.38 | greycat | streuner: /msg dpkg ati drivers /msg dpkg FAQ |
| 20:32.39 | mfrisch | I can't install packages in unstable...unmet dependencies? |
| 20:32.39 | tech13 | i have a usb drive and a cd burner, how do i find which device is which? (random mounting /dev/sd[ab]? poking has gotten 'file type must be specified') |
| 20:32.41 | greycat | sorry. |
| 20:32.47 | greycat | Stormy: /msg dpkg ati drivers /msg dpkg FAQ |
| 20:32.58 | lewis | for getting maildir quotas to work with exim4, do you put the quota lines under 'local_delivery', or under 'maildir_home'? |
| 20:33.04 | streuner | greycat: bought a new keyboard? |
| 20:33.06 | Stormy | christ |
| 20:33.06 | lewis | (in exim4.conf) |
| 20:33.12 | Stormy | what about xorg in debian? |
| 20:33.15 | gu | monsoon: the win box should have some sort of net config somewhere in the darkness |
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| 20:33.24 | greycat | streuner: no, just didn't see you chime in and interrupt nick completion... |
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| 20:33.36 | greycat | Stormy: be patient. |
| 20:33.37 | shingouz | monsoon: ok, check /etc/networks/interfaces that you actually have the system set up for dhcp, check that you have a dhcp client running, check the routing on the box |
| 20:33.41 | greycat | Stormy: sarge just released this week. |
| 20:34.04 | shingouz | monsoon: make it /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:34.26 | Stormy | greycat, that's not the point, paitence is not what i have when it comes to running a business machine. I switched from gentoo to this because I was told everything would work |
| 20:34.29 | takatumi | shingouz: using irssi? |
| 20:34.29 | Stormy | not to chew on you |
| 20:34.36 | shingouz | takatumi: nope |
| 20:34.40 | shingouz | why? |
| 20:35.07 | takatumi | shingouz: you can tab complete dirs and filenames :P |
| 20:35.24 | ribnitz | Stormy: the system needs getting used to as well.. |
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| 20:35.33 | shingouz | takatumi: filenames are not doable on xchat, nicks are |
| 20:35.38 | streuner | Stormy: debian's xfree version is patched with many additional drivers as well, so its almost as good as xorg |
| 20:35.43 | greycat | shingouz: time to upgrade to irssi?: ) |
| 20:35.43 | iobound | does anyone know if it's possible to use HashKnownHosts with openssh without making older ssh clients die with an error message (~/.ssh/ is on NFS) |
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| 20:35.48 | crashbg | Stormy, linux is not like "I was told everything would work" |
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| 20:36.13 | greycat | crashbg: everything that's marked "stable" should work. XOrg is not marked stable. Ergo.... :) |
| 20:36.23 | monsoon | shingouz, /etc/network/interfaces has: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp, so that should be fine... but Im not sure how to check routing |
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| 20:36.33 | greycat | monsoon: netstat -rn |
| 20:36.36 | shingouz | monsoon: man route |
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| 20:36.40 | jasoncohen | awesome, openoffice 1.1.4 is now in unstable |
| 20:36.52 | XTF | In KDevelop I'm trying to compile Hello World but it says: aclocal: configure.in: 8 macro 'AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library. Why? And how can it be fixed? |
| 20:36.53 | kab00m | hi folkssssssSSSsssSSsss |
| 20:36.56 | crashbg | greycat, i like testing too - it is quite stable |
| 20:37.02 | takatumi | jasoncohen: what's the big deal? huge changes? |
| 20:37.10 | shingouz | ...and 900 people go 'hi'... |
| 20:37.12 | JohnnyST | Hi is there some program with gui that I can use to do this? http://diy.prettymad.net/index.php/RIP_Shrink_and_Burn_DVDs |
| 20:37.13 | ribnitz | crashbg: talking about etch? |
| 20:37.14 | greycat | XTF: install libtool |
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| 20:37.31 | crashbg | ribnitz, no, ex. testing, aka sarge :) |
| 20:37.34 | XTF | greycat: Will do, but why is that not installed with kdevelop by default? |
| 20:37.46 | iobound | i installed x.org from source and the drop shadows kick ass! |
| 20:37.48 | greycat | !+depends kdevelop sarge |
| 20:37.50 | dpkg | Package 'kdevelop' does not exist. |
| 20:38.04 | RProgrammer | Could someone e-mail me their /usr/share/fonts/fonts.cache-1 file, mine seems to have been erased (well, just an empty file) programmer32@reboundweb.net |
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| 20:38.08 | jasoncohen | takatumi, This release contains many MS Word document importing bugfixes, more l10n improvements, IPv6 support for HTTP/WebDAV, bugfixes and improvements to Windows installer, and many other minor bugfixes. |
| 20:38.08 | ReVisions | hey, i installed licq but it's not run with qt and i installed qt...any1 knows y |
| 20:38.10 | ribnitz | JohnnyST: dvdrip |
| 20:38.16 | jasoncohen | from freshmeat |
| 20:38.16 | XTF | !+depends kdevelop3 sarge |
| 20:38.17 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 20:38.19 | dpkg | kdevelop3: depends on kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-4.0.2), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfam0c102, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.13), libjpeg62, libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), ... |
| 20:38.20 | Stormy | crashbg, i am well aware of that, but if your going to have a current distrubution, at least you could have something for the company that represents about 50% of the video card industry |
| 20:38.29 | exile | can someone help with installing testing packages under sarge? |
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| 20:38.37 | ReVisions | hey, i installed licq but it's not run with qt and i installed qt...any1 knows y |
| 20:38.42 | streuner | XTF: slap yourself... :-) |
| 20:38.44 | cahoot | ReVisions: what if you run fc-cache -fv? |
| 20:38.45 | Azar | can I use eterm or aterm in Debian? |
| 20:39.01 | streuner | Azar: hell, of course |
| 20:39.01 | websdale | so,when's etch being released then ? :) |
| 20:39.01 | takatumi | jasoncohen: hmm, maybe. |
| 20:39.17 | Azar | thanks streuner |
| 20:39.18 | ReVisions | fc-cache: "/usr/share/fonts": skipping, no write access |
| 20:39.18 | ReVisions | fc-cache: "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts": skipping, no write access |
| 20:39.18 | ReVisions | fc-cache: "/usr/local/share/fonts": skipping, no write access |
| 20:39.18 | ReVisions | fc-cache: "/home/yaron/.fonts": skipping, no such directory |
| 20:39.18 | ReVisions | fc-cache: succeeded |
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| 20:39.19 | crashbg | ReVisions, there is kde frontend |
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| 20:39.23 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 20:39.25 | ribnitz | Stormy: what (business-relevant) vidcards dont work with XFree? |
| 20:39.25 | ReVisions | oopsi |
| 20:39.26 | crashbg | also qt.. |
| 20:39.29 | greycat | Azar: you can use whatever you want |
| 20:39.30 | takatumi | websdale: just fucking track testing and quit worrying about releases. |
| 20:39.36 | streuner | argh, is sunday today? :-) |
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| 20:39.47 | ReVisions | cahoot, #flood |
| 20:39.51 | websdale | takatumi: I was joking you know |
| 20:39.57 | takatumi | websdale: me too. :) |
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| 20:41.00 | ReVisions | cahoot, http://rafb.net/paste/results/oj8cg634.html |
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| 20:41.06 | Lars_G | Hi all. |
| 20:41.14 | paulswm | There is already an etch release pool, I gather |
| 20:41.25 | takatumi | paulswm: come on! |
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| 20:41.33 | Lars_G | A question that must've been asked a thousand times before, is Sarge as stable as Woody was? |
| 20:41.34 | paulswm | takatumi: No, I'm serious |
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| 20:41.46 | Lars_G | I mean did it REALLY meet debian's stability criteria for a stable release? |
| 20:41.47 | streuner | paulswm: someone paste an URL today, there are going about 900 packages into etch today |
| 20:42.01 | takatumi | Lars_G: what do you think? |
| 20:42.12 | gu | Lars_G: do you have your crystal ball ? |
| 20:42.20 | paulswm | streuner: Wow, a lot of stuff |
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| 20:42.36 | streuner | paulswm: yeah, debian lives ;-) |
| 20:42.40 | RProgrammer | Could someone e-mail me their /usr/share/fonts/fonts.cache-1 file, mine seems to have been erased (well, just an empty file) programmer32@reboundweb.net |
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| 20:42.48 | exile | can someone help with installing testing packages under sarge? |
| 20:42.58 | greycat | exile: /msg dpkg IYHTAYS |
| 20:43.13 | takatumi | streuner: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
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| 20:43.17 | websdale | Lars_G:how stable was woody 2 days after release? - I don't know |
| 20:43.17 | chrisvv | exile, sarge .....was testing until 2 days ago |
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| 20:43.27 | greycat | exile: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:43.38 | streuner | uh, only 784 packages :-) |
| 20:43.45 | Lars_G | takatumi: Well I wouldn't come to ask if I werent sure, I am not completely sure it wasn't rushed out the door to stop the long releaseless time.... |
| 20:43.46 | greycat | websdale: just as stable as 2 months before release... since it just sat there. |
| 20:43.54 | c01100011 | i was stupid and did a apt-dist - upgrade without checking first, and lost gnome to some package dependencies, does any one know what is holding up gnome in debian sid so i can try to get an old copy of the package ? |
| 20:44.04 | takatumi | Lars_G: 3 years is not long enough? |
| 20:44.10 | Lars_G | takatumi: Lol.. |
| 20:44.20 | paulswm | takatumi: see below |
| 20:44.21 | paulswm | !etch pool |
| 20:44.22 | dpkg | i heard etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 20:44.24 | Lars_G | Ok I'll risk it with sarge, anyhow i've not had troubles even with SID before.. |
| 20:44.27 | Lars_G | thanks. |
| 20:44.42 | cahoot | RProgrammer: run fc-cache -fv |
| 20:44.42 | Empty | RProgrammer, do I even have an account on your box?? |
| 20:44.47 | takatumi | paulswm: hmm, we'll see. |
| 20:44.59 | greycat | !msg |
| 20:44.59 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 20:45.08 | Empty | (heh, I just like [playing when I come back to xchat and see a namedrop highlight on this tab) |
| 20:45.16 | Lars_G | Here I go, go debian, go debian, go debian!! |
| 20:45.25 | exile | greycat: pm? |
| 20:45.31 | ReVisions | hey, i installed licq but it's not run with qt and i installed qt...any1 knows y |
| 20:45.37 | greycat | exile: no. |
| 20:45.46 | Empty | ReVisions, try GAIM |
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| 20:46.21 | quittt_15 | do you know good games for Debian? |
| 20:46.28 | shingouz | nethack |
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| 20:46.38 | schrankwand | hi, how can I unpack an .iso.gz-file? |
| 20:46.45 | quittt_15 | shingouz, it is so boring... |
| 20:46.46 | ReVisions | Empty, it's not help me... |
| 20:46.47 | Lars_G | Sarge is 2 DVDs???? |
| 20:46.53 | Lars_G | wow |
| 20:46.54 | ReVisions | i want to fix it not to use somthing else... |
| 20:46.55 | paulswm | tarzeau: see quittt_15 's question a few lines above :) |
| 20:46.56 | greycat | !overfiendsphallus |
| 20:46.56 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 20:46.57 | Trinitrogen | !d-i |
| 20:46.58 | giupy | quittt_15, poker3d but it's only in sid |
| 20:46.58 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:47.00 | iobound | schrankwand use gunzip |
| 20:47.08 | mrex | quittt_15: apt-cache search games gives a nice list. vegastrike, stratagus is a nice engine as well |
| 20:47.10 | shingouz | schrankwand: man tar (tar xzf file.gz) |
| 20:47.11 | tarzeau | quittt_15: hey man |
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| 20:47.14 | Empty | ReVisions, well have fun then :) |
| 20:47.15 | schrankwand | i prefer tar, but well i will try it |
| 20:47.17 | paulswm | Hah |
| 20:47.18 | tarzeau | quittt_15: I HAVE TEH SOLUTION AGAINST BORODOMO |
| 20:47.22 | norman900 | hi |
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| 20:47.37 | tarzeau | quittt_15: join #bub-n-bros and join our DRAGON CAVE OF ULTIMATE BONUS FUN; http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
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| 20:47.46 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 20:47.49 | exile | anyone want to help me in pm? |
| 20:47.57 | shingouz | exile: no |
| 20:47.57 | paulswm | !prize me |
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| 20:48.10 | zeroC | hi |
| 20:48.11 | zeroC | :D |
| 20:48.11 | hmmm | can some one tell me the process of adding your own font in debian? |
| 20:48.12 | crashbg | and now marillat use stable for sarge too? |
| 20:48.14 | tarzeau | takatumi: did you see, i teached the silver dragon to not eat the sheep! |
| 20:48.25 | streuner | hmmm: /msg dpkg ttf xf4 |
| 20:48.26 | tarzeau | takatumi: AND OYU TAKE AWAY MY DIAMOND |
| 20:48.29 | zeroC | what do i need to see a picture w/ a dvb-s tv-card? |
| 20:48.33 | tarzeau | DIE! |
| 20:48.41 | hmmm | streuner: thanks |
| 20:48.54 | zeroC | i want to config it as an vdr |
| 20:49.04 | streuner | crashbg: why he should change his behavior? |
| 20:49.14 | crashbg | because sarge is now stable |
| 20:49.37 | streuner | marillat support woody and sid before... |
| 20:49.42 | crashbg | i used marillat-unstable for my sarge-testing... |
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| 20:49.46 | streuner | s/support/supported/ |
| 20:49.52 | twb | Is there a file on debian.org somewhere that lists all the files installed by every package? |
| 20:49.53 | c01100011 | I did a apt-dist - upgrade in sid without checking first, and lost gnome to some package dependencies, does any one know what is holding up gnome in debian sid so i can try to get an old copy of the package ? |
| 20:50.00 | greycat | twb: I doubt it |
| 20:50.13 | greycat | twb: but you can search for files in packages.debian.org |
| 20:50.20 | twb | greycat: I thought I found it one day. Maybe I dreamt it. |
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| 20:50.25 | Kaze | Shit |
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| 20:50.34 | kart_ | !seen ankit |
| 20:50.34 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'ankit', kart_ |
| 20:50.34 | crashbg | wtf |
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| 20:50.35 | greycat | twb: /msg dpkg search to learn all the different ways. |
| 20:50.37 | Kaze | I was in the middle of aptitude upgrade of my version |
| 20:50.39 | Kaze | and pressed ctrl+z |
| 20:50.43 | hmmm | streuner: those are for true type font, would the process be the same for .pcf? |
| 20:50.43 | greycat | Kaze: fg |
| 20:50.44 | Kaze | How can I get the process back? |
| 20:50.46 | phogg | twb: you can make your own if you have a full archive |
| 20:50.48 | Kaze | (it seems to still be running) |
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| 20:51.05 | Trinitrogen | quick question: Im about to dual boot, I've made room at the end of my NTFS partition for debian, I don't need to worry about the bios 1024 limit anymore, do i? |
| 20:51.05 | lewis | anyone here ever got exim4 maildir quotas to work? I have asked in #exim, and looked at the exim4 spec/faq. |
| 20:51.06 | Kaze | I was looking at the differences in a conf file |
| 20:51.12 | wintix | am i just to stupid or is it a bug that i can only send files to jabber users in gaim? |
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| 20:51.13 | Kaze | and thought I was in nano when I was done -_- |
| 20:51.17 | Azar | streuner, is AfterStep an alternative to say Openbox, and does it works with Debian? |
| 20:51.17 | crashbg | Kaze, try fg |
| 20:51.17 | phogg | Kaze: man bash and look at the job conbtrol section |
| 20:51.28 | streuner | Azar: yes |
| 20:51.39 | Kaze | fg worked, thanks |
| 20:51.42 | Kaze | foreground = fg? |
| 20:51.44 | crashbg | np :)))) |
| 20:51.46 | crashbg | yes |
| 20:51.47 | greycat | Kaze: yes |
| 20:51.48 | streuner | hmmm: good question |
| 20:52.02 | mrex | Trinitrogen, i didnt have any hassles with that. |
| 20:52.03 | Kaze | Thanks :D |
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| 20:52.09 | crashbg | Zake, ctrl+z = bg |
| 20:52.10 | Azar | streuner, thanks |
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| 20:52.15 | Trinitrogen | mrex: thanks |
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| 20:52.21 | Trinitrogen | Here goes nothing then I guess |
| 20:52.56 | Cyberax | anyone know how to mount initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 as mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 /tmp/initrd |
| 20:53.18 | hool | blah |
| 20:53.18 | crashbg | Cyberax, wow ;) |
| 20:53.25 | juanmals | Can someone confirm me if gnome 2.10 is in sid or it is still in experimental? |
| 20:53.27 | paulswm | tarzeau: See, I may not be playing, but I do alert you to other potential players/victims :) |
| 20:53.27 | crashbg | mount it like iso file |
| 20:53.35 | greycat | juanmals: packages.debian.org can tell you. |
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| 20:53.45 | Cyberax | yeah I get you must specify file system |
| 20:53.47 | schrankwand | shingouz: "tar xzf" don't work with .iso.gr files |
| 20:53.49 | greycat | (or if you track sid, apt-cache show) |
| 20:53.52 | schrankwand | -r+z |
| 20:53.55 | ribnitz | can emacs be made to offer completions for emacs (with tab or similar?) |
| 20:53.56 | tarzeau | jharrison: JOIN! |
| 20:54.05 | tarzeau | paulswm: YOU ARE TEH META DRAGOOON |
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| 20:54.17 | paulswm | heh |
| 20:54.24 | blackout | how does one make a checksum for a file? |
| 20:54.27 | shingouz | schrankwand: i'll be quiet then. gunzip perhaps? |
| 20:54.30 | blackout | or just display it, rather |
| 20:54.37 | Overfiend | greycat: you sure do say "!overfiendsphallus" a lot... |
| 20:54.39 | ReVisions | any1 know why licq doesnt run with qt? |
| 20:54.40 | greycat | blackout: md5sum |
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| 20:54.44 | Cyberax | yeah I tried gunzip it says it isnt a gzip file |
| 20:54.46 | schrankwand | gunzip hap work |
| 20:54.48 | juanmals | greycat, i do apt-cache show gnome and it says version: 65 |
| 20:54.49 | schrankwand | -p+d |
| 20:54.50 | greycat | Overfiend: well *someone* has to. |
| 20:54.51 | ribnitz | blackout: md5sum |
| 20:54.54 | crashbg | ReVisions, it works here |
| 20:54.56 | shingouz | ReVisions: i think you need to skin it |
| 20:55.09 | crashbg | shingouz, no it has by default |
| 20:55.24 | blackout | greycat: thanks, i should've known that. |
| 20:55.31 | iobound | Cyberax try running 'file' on the file what does it say |
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| 20:56.00 | crashbg | lol sis driver update :P restartx :) |
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| 20:56.05 | shivraj | whats the package for traceroute ? |
| 20:56.06 | destr0___ | is there a way to find out what version of debian you are running from the command line? |
| 20:56.12 | Cyberax | iobound, it says /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386: Linux Compressed ROM File System data, little endian size 4415488 version #2 sorted_dirs CRC 0x581f5c19, edition 0, 2517 blocks, 309 files |
| 20:56.17 | ReVisions | shingouz, skined. didnt help |
| 20:56.19 | streuner | shivraj: traceroute? |
| 20:56.21 | iobound | destr0___ try cat /etc/issue or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:56.26 | gtigene | What is xfs? |
| 20:56.37 | greycat | gtigene: it's both a file system and a font server. |
| 20:56.38 | giupy | gtigene, a filesyetm |
| 20:56.43 | paulswm | shivraj: apt-cache search traceroute |
| 20:56.51 | shingouz | ReVisions: i am not a licq expert here, i have it but... mostly not running |
| 20:56.52 | Trinitrogen | what are the chances of the netist disk will recognize my wireless card and allow me to use that? |
| 20:57.02 | linuxgeekery | cat /etc/debian-version or (_version, cant remember) |
| 20:57.06 | paulswm | shivraj: and, yes, the package *is* traceroute :) |
| 20:57.18 | Cyberax | iobound, it replies Debian 3.1 which is right, Im running sarge |
| 20:57.19 | ReVisions | :( |
| 20:57.29 | streuner | Trinitrogen: low, as long as you don't read ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 20:57.32 | linuxgeekery | Trinitrogen: what's your wireless card |
| 20:57.51 | greycat | !version |
| 20:57.51 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 20:57.57 | gtigene | The changes documentation for kernel 2.6.11 mentions xfsprogs. How do I know if I need it? |
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| 20:58.13 | greycat | gtigene: you'd only need it if you have or plan to use XFS file systems. |
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| 20:58.42 | gtigene | greycat: I use X of course but know nothing about XFS. Are the two unrelated? |
| 20:58.44 | BlackShuck | I just tried Debian Sarge release, after getting annoyed by Gentoo's package instability. Shocked to see it's still stuck on 2.4x kernels. Is this REALLY the case? |
| 20:58.50 | BlackShuck | I can't believe it... |
| 20:58.53 | greycat | gtigene: in this case, xfs means the file system. |
| 20:59.02 | shingouz | !tell BlackShuck about 2.6 |
| 20:59.08 | Biff | BlackShuck: no, they have 2.6 |
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| 20:59.19 | Biff | i belive you can choose either in the sarge installer |
| 20:59.20 | BlackShuck | but not by defauly? |
| 20:59.37 | Vilim | BlackShuck: Use whatever kernel you want |
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| 20:59.38 | shingouz | BlackShuck: if you had read the docs you would have noticed that you could have installed with linux26 to begin with |
| 20:59.38 | greycat | BlackShuck: type "linux26" at the boot prompt and you get a 2.6 installed. otherwise just install it after you're done with the initial run. |
| 20:59.41 | BlackShuck | hmm, it didn't ask me, I justed selected a workstation install |
| 20:59.42 | linuxgeekery | at isolinux prompt, type linux26 to install linux 2.6 |
| 20:59.44 | mikaEL` | "..what good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit hiis soul?"(mk 8:36) |
| 21:00.01 | shingouz | BlackShuck: it did. right in the beginning |
| 21:00.07 | greycat | BlackShuck: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 21:00.09 | monsoon-1 | hmmm ok I plugged the network feed into a switch and then to the win machine and lin machine... win machine is connecting fine... lin to the network but not the internet |
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| 21:00.17 | BlackShuck | ahh, made the assumption that prsssing ENTER would have given me the best choice. Obviously not... |
| 21:00.28 | greycat | BlackShuck: define "best". |
| 21:00.35 | shingouz | BlackShuck: on debian, never assume |
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| 21:00.52 | resiak | !assume |
| 21:00.52 | dpkg | hmm... assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 21:01.04 | shadowc4t | what dpkg posted |
| 21:01.11 | BlackShuck | greycat, only slight problem, the ancient 2.4 kernel it gave me, I have no networking capabilites, as my hardware is not supported under 2.4 kernels. Will have to re-install and go 2.6 |
| 21:01.26 | greycat | "ancient". hah. |
| 21:01.33 | shadowc4t | BlackJudas: why? |
| 21:01.36 | shadowc4t | the 2.6 kernel is on the cd |
| 21:01.37 | paulswm | Except that you may assume that, in the world of linux distros, debian is the dog's bollocks |
| 21:01.39 | shadowc4t | find and install it |
| 21:01.39 | greycat | I guess "ancient" means the bloody has been wiped off. |
| 21:01.44 | greycat | s/y// |
| 21:01.45 | gtigene | What is oprofile? |
| 21:01.55 | greycat | gtigene: "old profile". probably a backup copy. |
| 21:02.14 | shingouz | he's a noob, don't flame him too bad |
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| 21:02.23 | Empty | BlackShuck, WTF is your net hardware? |
| 21:02.29 | BlackShuck | OK, so it's the latest 2.4, but still pretty crappy support for hardware... |
| 21:02.30 | BlackShuck | Wireless |
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| 21:02.38 | greycat | oh, wireless. that's in a category all its own. |
| 21:02.52 | c01100011_ | i need help fixing a dependency hell i brought upon my self by dist-upgrading and not checking to see whata would be removed |
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| 21:02.53 | shingouz | BlackShuck: something that needs ndiswrapper? |
| 21:02.59 | BlackShuck | works well in 2.6 kernels, sucks on the verge of hell in 2.4 |
| 21:02.59 | shadowc4t | BlackShuck: debian made a great choice when they stuck to 2.4 |
| 21:03.00 | Empty | yeah that's radio hardware :P |
| 21:03.08 | gtigene | Again, changes doc for kernel says I might need oprofile, check the version with "oprofiled" but no such command. How do I know if I need it? |
| 21:03.09 | shingouz | c01100011: and the target is? |
| 21:03.11 | shadowc4t | the latest 2.6 is a freaking joke |
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| 21:03.28 | shadowc4t | BlackShuck: and instead of whining |
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| 21:03.35 | shadowc4t | go find the 2.6 deb on your netinstall cd |
| 21:03.37 | Empty | shadowc4t, it's pretty stable for me |
| 21:03.39 | shadowc4t | install it, and get on with it |
| 21:03.40 | BlackShuck | 2.6.12, big changes I think.. Sticking with 2.6.11 for a while... It's pretty good.... |
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| 21:03.51 | greycat | ah. I thought it was weird that debian would use "oprofile" as the backup of /etc/profile. I didn't *think* Debian used that naming convention. |
| 21:03.57 | destr0___ | If I had a sarge system that was unstable and I change the source list from unstable to sarge, what's the difference between running apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:03.59 | shadowc4t | Empty: I was referring to the patch levels on 2.6.11 |
| 21:04.01 | Empty | i am talking about 2.6.8-2 |
| 21:04.04 | Empty | ok |
| 21:04.05 | shadowc4t | or rather, 2.6.11.21312432134 |
| 21:04.10 | shadowc4t | or whatever the patch level is now |
| 21:04.13 | c01100011_ | shingouz- i lost gnome i don't know exactly what package caused the problem |
| 21:04.15 | BlackShuck | I would say 2.6 kernels are considerably better than the 2.4 in virtually all situations. |
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| 21:04.26 | greycat | so in that case I have no idea what "oprofile" is for the context of your question. |
| 21:04.30 | shingouz | c01100011_: what is the target release you are aiming at? |
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| 21:04.49 | Empty | I am just happy b/c 2.6 means no more manually forward-porting an old patch for my servers |
| 21:04.52 | gtigene | greycat: OK, thanks anyway. |
| 21:04.57 | greycat | shingouz: 2.6.11.14159265... |
| 21:05.04 | BlackShuck | I thought they changed the kernel naming scheme, in 2.6.11.x, small tweaking nothing essential. |
| 21:05.05 | FinnTux | how long woody is going to have security updates? |
| 21:05.06 | abel | hi all, i try to connect my debian box to my mobile phone via an usb/irda key and i have some trouble anyone here have allready done that ? |
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| 21:05.10 | shingouz | greycat: :p |
| 21:05.11 | EfaistOs | hi |
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| 21:05.17 | greycat | FinnTux: to be determined. Good guess is "about a year" |
| 21:05.20 | EfaistOs | is aptitude a good thing ? |
| 21:05.23 | FinnTux | oh that long |
| 21:05.27 | shadowc4t | aptitude > * |
| 21:05.28 | shingouz | EfaistOs: yes |
| 21:05.31 | greycat | potato was supported for a year. |
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| 21:05.34 | berzerka | destr0___, read what man apt-get says about it. |
| 21:05.35 | FinnTux | so, no hurry yet |
| 21:05.43 | c01100011_ | shingouz- sid |
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| 21:06.00 | EfaistOs | shiner840, what's the difference with apt ? |
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| 21:06.08 | shingouz | c01100011_: you are trying to upgrade to sid and... damn /me shuts up |
| 21:06.12 | shadowc4t | EfaistOs: apt-get install aptitude |
| 21:06.17 | shadowc4t | install and find out |
| 21:06.17 | greycat | !sid upgrade |
| 21:06.17 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 21:06.19 | shingouz | EfaistOs: apt is a frontend |
| 21:06.28 | maff | dselect <3 |
| 21:06.28 | shingouz | !tell EfaistOs about aptitude |
| 21:06.38 | greycat | everything is a front-end |
| 21:06.39 | DwyaneWade | How cand i find out what Debian release i have? |
| 21:06.43 | greycat | !version |
| 21:06.43 | berzerka | destr0___: additional dependency handling for new packages it says. but aptitude seems to be even better at doing these dependency resolutions. |
| 21:06.43 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 21:07.30 | EfaistOs | shingouz, aptitude is a front end to apt, isnt it ? |
| 21:07.32 | c01100011_ | shingouz- if i play with the oportuniity to break things i am supplied with the oportunity to learn, many of strong debian users have told me they attribute there knowledge to using sid and learning how to fix things as they break them |
| 21:07.41 | greycat | EfaistOs: no, it's a front-end for dpkg |
| 21:07.54 | gtigene | Has anyone used gcc 3.3.x to compile kernel 2.6? Changes documentation warns about this. |
| 21:08.01 | linuxgeekery | Dpkg: not necessarily, sid isn't just for devs and testers, i run it. It's just a bleeding edge repository |
| 21:08.11 | greycat | gtigene: I'm 99.9% sure debian has used it for that for many a month now |
| 21:08.24 | shingouz | c01100011_: i am not even *trying* to guess what you borked |
| 21:08.26 | linuxgeekery | apt is a front end for dpkg actually |
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| 21:08.30 | phogg | linuxgeekery: don't argue with the bots. |
| 21:08.31 | EfaistOs | greycat, arf of course I meant that :) |
| 21:08.39 | linuxgeekery | ok :P |
| 21:08.39 | gtigene | greycat: Well that is good to hear! |
| 21:09.00 | phogg | linuxgeekery: it's impossible to win |
| 21:09.00 | greycat | linuxgeekery: if you found a bug in sid, would you report it? |
| 21:09.01 | shingouz | !win dpkg |
| 21:09.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 21:09.11 | linuxgeekery | erm, yeah |
| 21:09.16 | c01100011_ | i am prettty sure it is lignomevfs2-0 |
| 21:09.17 | greycat | linuxgeekery: then you are a tester. |
| 21:09.37 | DwyaneWade | what should i get to have the JVM installed? I asked dpkg and it said something about J2SE. I don't want the SDK, only the VM ... |
| 21:09.40 | linuxgeekery | hmmm... i never thought of it that way before greycat |
| 21:09.40 | phogg | linuxgeekery: and in fact, sid is for people who can fix broken packages themselves. Which is not most people. |
| 21:09.41 | shingouz | c01100011_: install (or remove) it then |
| 21:10.05 | c01100011_ | shingouz- it is installed as the "newest version" but the newest isn |
| 21:10.07 | greycat | phogg: or at least work around them |
| 21:10.23 | phogg | greycat: hopefully fix them and provide patches |
| 21:10.29 | c01100011_ | t good enought to meat the requirements of the new gnome packages - so i have to wait it out or install the old gnome packages , correct ? |
| 21:10.40 | paulswm | linuxgeekery: and, oh sid tester, don't bother talking to dpkg in here, it's a bot :) |
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| 21:10.49 | shingouz | c01100011_: or you have to figure out wtf is going on in the box |
| 21:11.03 | aeoiu | I can't seem to find yacc package, where is it?! |
| 21:11.05 | jasoncohen | takatumi, here's the full list of fixes in 1.1.4. it's quite long. http://download.openoffice.org/1.1.4/release_notes_1.1.4.html |
| 21:11.07 | mfrisch | I can't install packages in unstable...unmet dependencies? |
| 21:11.08 | DwyaneWade | jamvm is good? |
| 21:11.28 | shingouz | mfrisch: Sid? you too? dammit... |
| 21:11.41 | shingouz | wtf is wrong with people in the first place, Sid and no clue |
| 21:11.45 | jasoncohen | takatumi, 1.1.4 seems to import word docs better |
| 21:11.55 | shadowc4t | shingouz: get used to it |
| 21:11.55 | paulswm | mfrisch: that's why it's called 'unstable' |
| 21:11.57 | c01100011_ | i was told by wyzard last night , that i could wait it out aswell, i suppose all packages will be put in repository to make new gnome work soon |
| 21:12.02 | eliot | sid screwed up my gnome.. |
| 21:12.03 | ethics | mfrisch yep that right...sid atm is moving to gnome2.10 so gnome in sid is broken atm....another wm will run tho |
| 21:12.04 | mfrisch | shingouz testing unstable....two different mirrors |
| 21:12.19 | jasoncohen | eliot, well, why are you using sid? it's called "unstable" for a reason. |
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| 21:12.24 | shingouz | mfrisch: Thou shalt not use sid |
| 21:12.25 | eliot | im not.. |
| 21:12.39 | paulswm | eliot: It's sid, it's unstable, it's ypur own fault for using it, I'm afraid |
| 21:13.00 | jasoncohen | eliot sid screwed up my gnome.. |
| 21:13.00 | mfrisch | ethics YUP any estimated time? |
| 21:13.00 | thorie | how do i disable sending e-mail to local users from remote sources, using Sendmail? |
| 21:13.00 | eliot | yeah I know, I learnt my lesson |
| 21:13.00 | jasoncohen | eliot, you shouldn't be using unstable if you don't know that sid=unstable :) |
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| 21:13.06 | jasoncohen | eliot, well...try to downgrade to 2.8 |
| 21:13.09 | eliot | I KNOW SID is unstable |
| 21:13.20 | shingouz | mfrisch: when it is ready. do not play with Sid unless you know what you do |
| 21:13.23 | eliot | I did it because I wanted to |
| 21:13.27 | mfrisch | shingouz I have had no problems with unstable !! |
| 21:13.27 | ethics | mprisch it a biggish change so it may be a few days till its installable.... |
| 21:13.30 | gtigene | greycat: Changes doc also advises me that mkinitrd should be upgraded but I don't see it on my system. Any idea what it is for? Something to do with /lib/modules. |
| 21:13.32 | shingouz | eliot: and now you get to keep the pieces |
| 21:13.32 | c01100011_ | i know sid=unstable but i chose to dist upgrade without reading what it would bork |
| 21:13.33 | humbolt | how can I get postfix to forward messages according to /etc/aliases after the mails ended up in /var/mail/www-data? |
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| 21:13.45 | eliot | haha straight from the faq |
| 21:13.45 | wintix | i have no problems with sid too. |
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| 21:13.57 | mfrisch | ethics THANKS |
| 21:14.03 | shingouz | eliot: that is the difference between us, i occasionally rtfm |
| 21:14.08 | eliot | I reinstalled stable... |
| 21:14.13 | paulswm | !prize shingouz |
| 21:14.18 | eliot | I read the manual |
| 21:14.22 | albo | can i use sed to match groups and only print them out, instead of replacing |
| 21:14.24 | shingouz | not welll enough |
| 21:14.27 | Eclipser | ok |
| 21:14.28 | Eclipser | I hate this |
| 21:14.32 | eliot | what makes you say that? |
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| 21:14.47 | shingouz | your sid is borked, mine is not |
| 21:14.52 | da4n1 | if i lost my XFree86-config-4 can i get it back somehow or get a working one? |
| 21:14.56 | eliot | errm Im not running SID |
| 21:15.06 | ethics | mfrisch : unstable is going ot be .....mor unstable than unstable recently because the are going to roll in lots like xorg gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 not sure how fast etc but its would seem to me that the will break sid badly whith xorg for a littlewhile 8) |
| 21:15.08 | shingouz | Sid, not SID |
| 21:15.20 | phogg | albo: yes, but use grep or awk for that |
| 21:15.20 | eliot | shingouz, what is your problem? |
| 21:15.24 | humbolt | can I simply cat /var/mail/www-data >> /var/mail/hugo |
| 21:15.25 | c01100011_ | "eliot sid screwed up my gnome.." |
| 21:15.27 | humbolt | ? |
| 21:15.31 | monsoon-1 | shingouz, I now have the network feed connected to switch and both win and lin boxes cobnnected to switch, win connects to network and internet fine, lin connects to network but pings out on internet... |
| 21:15.33 | shingouz | eliot: i am on #debian |
| 21:15.39 | cureless | finally, an unstable unstable! |
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| 21:16.07 | paulswm | That'll teach all the "sid is stable, mine hasn't broken for three moths" weenies |
| 21:16.10 | eliot | I tried Sid, yesterday, It broke my packages, so I reinstalled sarge |
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| 21:16.12 | ethics | c01100011: actually sid isnt yours ...its the devs they are just nice enough to let you play with it |
| 21:16.20 | shingouz | monsoon-1: lets see now. what does ifconfig -a give you (if you need to paste, do so in #flood) |
| 21:16.28 | phogg | paulswm: that'll teach gnome users, anyway. |
| 21:16.40 | paulswm | phogg: haha |
| 21:16.44 | cureless | my sid hasn't "broken" for a long time. |
| 21:16.48 | ethics | c01100011 sarge is for us and etch is sorta what devs what us to run for dugreporting etc... |
| 21:16.54 | jasoncohen | wait...gnome 2.10 is still in experimental according to http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/meta-gnome2.html |
| 21:17.04 | jasoncohen | did they install from experimental? |
| 21:17.05 | phogg | Soon everyone will use E, like they should. |
| 21:17.08 | shingouz | jasoncohen: don't even *think* about is |
| 21:17.19 | shingouz | s/is/it |
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| 21:17.23 | jasoncohen | morons |
| 21:17.27 | eliot | Im gonna be waiting a long time for gnome 2.10 |
| 21:17.45 | eliot | Im gonna wait untill it goes on etch.. |
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| 21:18.01 | Eclipser | I was upgrading my etchbox and decided to make my laptop to run sarge, so I edited sources.list in an existing eterm and ran apt-get update, then it said that dpkg is already in use and it's locked... I was like what the... well, I killed the process and ran apt-get update/dist-upgrade and then I noticed... I had left an open ssh session in that terminal |
| 21:18.01 | phogg | eliot: You're waiting until at least 2007 |
| 21:18.01 | jasoncohen | when it enters testing it'll probably be in pretty good shape |
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| 21:18.04 | c01100011_ | eliot xfce can be nice |
| 21:18.08 | paulswm | unstable == you are a willing gunea pig for stuff that might break, experimental == they attach electrodes to your genitals |
| 21:18.14 | da4n1 | can i install x with one apt-get install ? |
| 21:18.24 | eliot | I tried xfce on slack, hated it |
| 21:18.25 | tarzeau | paulswm: don't even want to try it once? |
| 21:18.28 | mfrisch | paulswm lol |
| 21:18.28 | bobbens | da4n1: if you dont really care about what packages you get |
| 21:18.34 | phogg | da4n1: yes |
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| 21:18.37 | tarzeau | paulswm: we have friendly fire ;) LOLZ |
| 21:18.41 | da4n1 | how? |
| 21:18.55 | paulswm | tarzeau: No, sorry buddy! |
| 21:19.06 | quittt | do you know a good car game? |
| 21:19.09 | cureless | da4n1: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:19.21 | valdyn | !info gnome-about sid |
| 21:19.24 | dpkg | gnome-about: (The GNOME about box), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 215 kB, Installed size: 368 kB |
| 21:19.46 | eliot | who in this channel is running xorg? |
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| 21:19.58 | bobbens | da4n1: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:20.05 | jasoncohen | hmm, why isn't that showing in packages.qa.debian.org then? |
| 21:20.08 | mikail | anyone here use point2play? |
| 21:20.14 | mfrisch | dpkg !xorg |
| 21:20.21 | Seb | damn, 2 surveys in 4 lines |
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| 21:20.30 | shingouz | monsoon-1: what is the inet address on your doze box? |
| 21:20.40 | shingouz | !tell mfrisch about xorg |
| 21:20.42 | valdyn | jasoncohen: why should it be? |
| 21:20.46 | xtension | !tell eliot about polls |
| 21:21.15 | eliot | hey thanks for that |
| 21:21.16 | bobbens | !tell bobbens about xorg |
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| 21:21.22 | eliot | really informative.. |
| 21:21.28 | jasoncohen | valdyn, apt-cache show gnome shows version 65 for me which is the last unstable version i see on packages.qa.debian.org. |
| 21:21.36 | tarzeau | eliot: i run zsh |
| 21:21.37 | shingouz | bobbens: you can msg the bots too |
| 21:21.39 | EdibleText | bobbens, you could also /msg dpkg xorg |
| 21:21.46 | mfrisch | eliot did you install from source |
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| 21:22.00 | schrankwand | gn8 |
| 21:22.00 | eliot | no. |
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| 21:22.24 | mfrisch | eliot cool :)~ |
| 21:22.39 | ralf | openoffice1.9 will be in sid or we must wait for the stable 2.0? |
| 21:22.41 | bobbens | shingouz && EdibleText: i know, just trying things out :p <3 dpkg |
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| 21:22.58 | valdyn | jasoncohen: which means that only parts of gnome 2.10 are in sid |
| 21:23.00 | jshoenberger | Okay, so I'm in X, and my mouse can click on stuff... But... I can't see the standard mouse. The busy mouse icon shows up though... |
| 21:23.01 | eliot | ralf: like everyone says, you'll be waiting a while |
| 21:23.13 | jasoncohen | valdyn, ouch...that doesn't sound good for sid users |
| 21:23.21 | EdibleText | !spank bobbens |
| 21:23.27 | bobbens | lol |
| 21:23.27 | ralf | eliot: wait for the 1.9 or the 2.0? |
| 21:23.29 | jasoncohen | part 2.8..part 2.10 - that explains the brokenness |
| 21:23.33 | bobbens | !topicsmite bobbens |
| 21:23.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bobbens. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:23.41 | valdyn | jasoncohen: not really |
| 21:23.41 | eliot | ralf: both probably |
| 21:23.55 | da4n1 | c mon i lost my /etc/X11/XF86-config i've tryd apt-get --reinstall install x-window-system but with no success!?! |
| 21:24.03 | jasoncohen | valdyn, how could it work with only 1/2 of gnome in sid? |
| 21:24.08 | eliot | It doesnt |
| 21:24.20 | xtension | da4n1 XFree86 -reconfigure mgiht do that |
| 21:24.22 | eliot | I did it, I had some bits of gnome |
| 21:24.23 | jasoncohen | which explains it not working |
| 21:24.39 | eliot | but not the actual enviroment |
| 21:24.56 | jasoncohen | maybe they would have had better luck if they waited for all of it to enter unstable or installed from experimental..at least then they would have a complete gnome |
| 21:25.02 | ralf | the bot says: 'see http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress.' i guess that is a xorg source tree, i'm looking for .o or .so files, but i can't find them. How can I see the progress? |
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| 21:25.15 | jasoncohen | not that i'm suggesting that, heh |
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| 21:25.27 | eliot | Im gonna wait untill it enters Sid... |
| 21:25.37 | da4n1 | xtension: i get command not found |
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| 21:26.34 | mfrisch | What versions of X are available for unstable |
| 21:26.51 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 21:26.51 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:26.55 | pingouin | install is possible from dvd/cd one sarge on SATA hd ? please |
| 21:26.57 | paulswm | !tell da4n1 about reconfigure x |
| 21:27.01 | greycat | !d-i pingouin |
| 21:27.02 | dpkg | pingouin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:27.04 | tarzeau | mfrisch: xfree86 4.3 |
| 21:27.06 | tarzeau | hi greycat |
| 21:27.10 | greycat | hi tarzeau |
| 21:27.18 | eliot | you can get a unoffical xorg from a certian repo. |
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| 21:27.34 | mfrisch | tarzeau ok cool |
| 21:27.36 | eliot | it's sid |
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| 21:27.40 | eliot | but I use it on stable |
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| 21:27.48 | eliot | and I don't care, seriously. |
| 21:27.53 | mfrisch | eliot is it on apt-get.org? |
| 21:27.55 | tarzeau | !bobbit |
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| 21:28.02 | greycat | mfrisch: /topic |
| 21:28.10 | eliot | mfrisch: no |
| 21:28.43 | paulswm | !bobbitt |
| 21:28.43 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. |
| 21:28.53 | greycat | argh. we have to update *so* many factoids... |
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| 21:29.00 | quittt | do you know a good racing game for debian? |
| 21:29.16 | eliot | mfrisch: http://debian.linux-systeme.com/ |
| 21:29.23 | paulswm | greycat: yes, but bobbitt won't be very good without the 'wwody' double entendre |
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| 21:29.29 | greycat | !french fries |
| 21:29.30 | dpkg | french fries are what you get when you cut a potato up into little chunks and boil them in grease. Kinda like the result when you try to install testing or unstable packages on your potato Debian system. |
| 21:29.35 | c01100011_ | greycat: the joke wouldn't work with etch |
| 21:29.37 | chealer | greycat: so much fun to come... :) |
| 21:29.38 | ilf | wtf? gnome-panel in sid _still_ has unmet dependencies after yesterdays _and_ todays apt-get update |
| 21:29.42 | ilf | this is pissing me off |
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| 21:29.45 | mfrisch | eliot hhm cool :)~ |
| 21:29.53 | greycat | ilf: then fix it... file a bug with patches. |
| 21:29.57 | tarzeau | ilf: hahaha you wonder? |
| 21:30.03 | pingouin | french fries are from belgium no ? ;) |
| 21:30.05 | tarzeau | ilf: GNOME and KDE are ALWAYS broken in sid |
| 21:30.14 | greycat | pingouin: I'm sure they're made in many different countries |
| 21:30.19 | ilf | tarzeau: i'v been using it fine for 3 months |
| 21:30.26 | caphuso | ilf: we should probably alias sid to "unstable", to make it clear that it's not supposed to work |
| 21:30.36 | tarzeau | quittt: check the homepage of the remake maker maze of galious, he has a racer game |
| 21:30.38 | ilf | caphuso: ... |
| 21:30.39 | dondelelcaro | ilf: it's sid. There are often unmet dependencies. Get used to it. |
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| 21:30.44 | tarzeau | ilf: go read the sid faq |
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| 21:30.48 | paulswm | ilf: it's sid, it's unstable, you got what you asked for, I'm afraid |
| 21:30.48 | Azar | this was written for woody, I do not seem to have a "config" in this directory where should I go? "To customize your X startup, the file /etc/X11/config must contain the line allow-user-xsession" |
| 21:30.57 | EfaistOs | what is the name of the phpmyadmin pkg ? |
| 21:31.02 | hmmm | installing pcf bitmap font, i have mkfontdir where the font is located, add the FontPath in XF86config but font still isnt showing up? what else could i be missing? |
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| 21:31.10 | eliot | even if gnome 2.10 worked on Sid. I would feel pretty insecure anyway |
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| 21:31.20 | dondelelcaro | EfaistOs: phpmyadmin, obviously enough... |
| 21:31.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell EfaistOs -about search |
| 21:31.27 | greycat | griffon:~$ grep -r -i allow.*user.*xsession /etc/X11 |
| 21:31.27 | greycat | /etc/X11/Xsession.options:allow-user-xsession |
| 21:31.32 | mfrisch | This allways happens on a freeze |
| 21:31.35 | Azar | thanks a lot greycat :) |
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| 21:31.50 | ralf | can I switch from sid to etch? |
| 21:31.54 | tarzeau | ralf: no |
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| 21:32.06 | greycat | ralf: you can point to etch and wait for things to catch up. |
| 21:32.11 | pingouin | apt-get dist-downgrade not working yet ?! |
| 21:32.13 | greycat | ralf: there's no guarantees if you do so. |
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| 21:32.33 | bucky | ralf, reinstall and use sarge |
| 21:32.44 | ralf | is sid so unstable? |
| 21:32.46 | MrKeuner | greycat/ there is no gurarantees for upgrading either |
| 21:32.47 | eliot | yes |
| 21:32.54 | ralf | i've been using it from 3 years |
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| 21:33.22 | greycat | ralf: when it *does* break, it can break in spectacular ways. |
| 21:33.25 | tarzeau | !rape ralf |
| 21:33.27 | ilf | aparently. never had big problems like this either. this is pissing me off, especially since testing is way out of date |
| 21:33.35 | greycat | ralf: this rarely happens. that's what makes it so surprising when it does happen. |
| 21:33.45 | bucky | and so much fun |
| 21:33.53 | paulswm | ralf: I had been racing a motor bike for several years before I totalled it, parst performance is no guarantee, etc |
| 21:33.53 | jesperj | tarzeau, eh, that trigger was abit tasteless |
| 21:34.01 | mfrisch | greycat RARE! |
| 21:34.05 | dondelelcaro | ilf: again, get used to it. You should know by now why unsatisfiable dependencies happen, and no not to force dist-upgrades when they want to remove things. |
| 21:34.14 | greycat | mfrisch MEDIUM WELL |
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| 21:34.32 | dondelelcaro | ilf: hint: it usually means that packages haven't made their way through NEW yet, or straight up haven't been uploaded yet. |
| 21:34.33 | c01100011_ | i know not to blidly run dist-upgrades now ! |
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| 21:35.21 | scorphus | hi |
| 21:35.35 | ilf | dondelelcaro: why can't they upload all packages depending on each other at once? making all sid users systems break by only uploading a few seems dumb to me |
| 21:35.43 | scorphus | how do I open Corel Draw files on Debian? |
| 21:35.47 | ilf | especially when gnome 2.10 has been out for weeks |
| 21:35.49 | greycat | ilf: then become debian developer and fix things. |
| 21:35.52 | tarzeau | scorphus: you don't |
| 21:35.52 | paulswm | c01100011_: even if you did it blindly, you should still have heard the tinkle of breaking dependencies :) |
| 21:35.52 | scorphus | or convert them? |
| 21:35.55 | c01100011_ | scorphus - openoffice draw |
| 21:36.01 | tarzeau | scorphus: save them in a sane format, and open them in cenon.app |
| 21:36.02 | scorphus | c01100011: cool |
| 21:36.05 | ilf | greycat: i wish i had that much free timer |
| 21:36.07 | ilf | -r |
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| 21:36.24 | tarzeau | ilf: you can also just fix bugs without being a debian developer |
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| 21:36.26 | jesperj | When compiling: "checking QTDIR... configure: error: *** QTDIR must be defined, or --with-qtdir option given" < How do I do that? |
| 21:36.27 | dondelelcaro | ilf: because there are hundreds of packages. You clearly don't understand how NEW and the archive works if you're complaining about that. |
| 21:36.27 | c01100011_ | c01100011: no i turned the monitor ron and saw the broken pieces on the floor, i was litterally blind |
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| 21:36.40 | greycat | jesperj: install the qt development pacakge(s) |
| 21:36.41 | dondelelcaro | jesperj: you probably don't have the appropriate libqt-dev package installed |
| 21:37.13 | shingouz | !fix gnome |
| 21:37.14 | jesperj | ah |
| 21:37.17 | beware | i wonder on a how small hdd debian can be installed without problems, and ideas on installing it with the minimum of hdd space needed |
| 21:37.17 | jesperj | ty |
| 21:37.24 | paulswm | ilf: sid is meant for that. There are no guarantees that it will work as a complete distro. It isn't meant to be used as one. |
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| 21:37.35 | dondelelcaro | ilf: and furthermore, it doesn't break all sid users. It just breaks those stupid enough to dist-upgrade without looking at what is actually happening. It's quite trivial if you use aptitude to ugprade. |
| 21:37.35 | bahutnoenie | sarge is released! |
| 21:37.37 | tarzeau | beware: 400 mb |
| 21:37.38 | bahutnoenie | sarge is released! |
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| 21:37.39 | beware | i know it can easily fit on 512 mb, i wonder about 256 mb, what kind of issues ill run into |
| 21:37.39 | shingouz | beware: i have it on 500M, not a problem |
| 21:37.43 | greycat | bahutnoenie: really? |
| 21:37.43 | bahutnoenie | sarge is released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:37.45 | spaetz | beware: I have debian on a 512MB flash disk with X |
| 21:37.48 | bahutnoenie | lol |
| 21:37.49 | beware | ok |
| 21:37.49 | dondelelcaro | bahutnoenie: yes, we know. Stop already. |
| 21:37.52 | shingouz | bahutnoenie: shut up |
| 21:37.59 | paulswm | !singlishsmite bahutnoenie |
| 21:38.00 | dpkg | bahutnoenie: Why so gorblock, you? |
| 21:38.02 | bahutnoenie | damn you people can't handle a joke |
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| 21:38.07 | beware | i guess 512 is the smallest which it can fit on comfortably. it's dedicated to one program, and does not need a GUI |
| 21:38.11 | beware | 400* |
| 21:38.12 | tarzeau | bahutnoenie: you were repeating, moron! |
| 21:38.14 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 21:38.15 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a knoppix user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 21:38.16 | shingouz | bahutnoenie: not anymore, we have heard it too many times |
| 21:38.22 | beware | raptor jesus |
| 21:38.26 | eliot | give it 3 more years, and it'll be 3.2 |
| 21:38.27 | jesperj | bahutnoenie, really? noone here knew! ;) |
| 21:38.27 | dondelelcaro | bahutnoenie: when you're the millionth person to make the joke, it's not a joke any more. |
| 21:38.30 | bahutnoenie | jeejz |
| 21:38.32 | bahutnoenie | clam down |
| 21:38.36 | c01100011_ | good thing we only have to deal with idiots like bahutnoenie once every 3 years, is that why we don't release often ? |
| 21:38.37 | bahutnoenie | was a joke? |
| 21:38.39 | bahutnoenie | damn |
| 21:38.48 | greycat | bahutnoenie: "calm down" is not useful. "Sorry" is. |
| 21:38.56 | sh4dowcat | c01100011: probably ;) |
| 21:39.01 | ralf | what's wrong with knoppix? |
| 21:39.05 | tarzeau | ralf: ALL |
| 21:39.14 | tarzeau | !debian based |
| 21:39.14 | ralf | why? is a good live cd |
| 21:39.14 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 21:39.16 | dondelelcaro | ralf: who knows? it's just not Debian. |
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| 21:39.17 | caphuso | ralf: nothing. as long as you keep it out of this channel |
| 21:39.18 | greycat | ralf: nothing, as long as you don't install it to HD or act like it's Debian. |
| 21:39.19 | bahutnoenie | why should i say sorry? Calm down :P |
| 21:39.20 | tarzeau | ralf: no it's not |
| 21:39.27 | tarzeau | ralf: www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 21:39.40 | shingouz | !topicsmite bahutnoenie |
| 21:39.41 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bahutnoenie. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:39.51 | ralf | i have a knoppix cd and i use it for rescue |
| 21:39.53 | c01100011_ | !hurt bahutnoenie |
| 21:39.53 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 21:39.54 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 21:39.57 | eliot | so who are the stealth ops? |
| 21:40.04 | eliot | I use a gentoo live cd |
| 21:40.07 | greycat | eliot: /msg chanserv help |
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| 21:40.13 | jesperj | Anyone know if LMMS (Linux Multimedia Studio) ( http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ ) will be considered to be included in Debian in the future when it becomes more stable? I hope so |
| 21:40.18 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any mp3 ripper from cd ? |
| 21:40.29 | greycat | xerophyte: cdparanoia + lame |
| 21:40.35 | jesperj | xerophyte, grip |
| 21:40.38 | exerd_ | what shall i have in sources.list to get mplayer? |
| 21:40.42 | paulswm | greycat *is* calm anyway, you'll know if he gets pissed. |
| 21:40.44 | greycat | nobody knows *why* you'd use mp3 instead of vorbis, but hey.... |
| 21:40.45 | joink | So, what's the path of least redownloading if I have the debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.iso and want go to debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso. I should say that the machine in question is a windowsmachine with cygwin and mingw. So I don't know if rsync is a valid option for me. And sorry if this is kinda off-topic :p |
| 21:40.46 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, why does it matter if you're using apt-get or aptitude to upgrade sid? Won't both show you the packages to be removed? |
| 21:40.48 | tcsetattr | upgrade to sarge has screwed me: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_rewrite.so into server: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_rewrite.so: undefined symbol: __db_ndbm_fetch_4002 (and I haven't even started the real upgrade, this was just the preliminary stuff!) |
| 21:40.54 | eliot | exerd_: give me a minute |
| 21:40.58 | bahutnoenie | How can I unzip all *.zip files in directory with a single line command? |
| 21:41.03 | jesperj | greycat, one good reason is that you have a portable mp3 player... |
| 21:41.13 | greycat | joink: install 31r0 and edit sources.list by hand |
| 21:41.14 | exerd_ | eliot, ok thanks |
| 21:41.17 | bahutnoenie | I tried ls *.zip `unzip` |
| 21:41.23 | greycat | joink: it's just a one line change |
| 21:41.27 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: if you're watching it carefully, yes. However, aptitude will show you, and allow you to deal with the problems of the upgrade. |
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| 21:41.37 | Seb | bahutnoenie: for i in *zip ; do unzip "$i" ; done |
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| 21:41.42 | paulswm | bahutnoenie: man unzip |
| 21:41.52 | Seb | wow, ls *.zip `unzip` |
| 21:41.53 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, you mean in the interactive ncurses mode? |
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| 21:41.58 | Seb | bahutnoenie: you don't know shit about shell, now do you ? |
| 21:42.01 | paulswm | bahutnoenie: unzip *zip |
| 21:42.02 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: but presumably if you're actually using unstable, you should know enough to make up your own mind which to use, and know enough not to complain about normal things happening in the archive. |
| 21:42.06 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: yes. |
| 21:42.10 | greycat | paulswm: no, that doesn't work |
| 21:42.12 | kuene | i have read that one can not recover deleted files on ext3. but i deleted one single .zip file that i want to recover. and there is not much free space left on the partition. so is there a possibility to get thet file back? |
| 21:42.14 | bahutnoenie | Seb: nope |
| 21:42.24 | jesperj | greycat, don't you think having a protable mp3 player is a valid reason to use mp3? |
| 21:42.25 | Seb | paulswm: doesn't work, man |
| 21:42.27 | greycat | paulswm: it treats the second zip file name as a member to extract from the first one. |
| 21:42.29 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, how about synaptic? will that do the same? |
| 21:42.31 | paulswm | greycat: I wondered, tha man page says it does, but it doesn't in Solaris |
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| 21:42.33 | greycat | jesperj: the only valid reason. |
| 21:42.33 | caphuso | kuene: ext3rminator, if you're lucky |
| 21:42.35 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: dunno, I don't use synaptic |
| 21:42.46 | Zrin | is it possible (easy) to install sarge on a remote computer where network and console (over COM1) but none other connections are available? |
| 21:42.49 | kuene | caphuso, thanks i will give it a try |
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| 21:42.52 | joink | greycat: I know that :p But if I want to give out the DVD to anyone else it would be nice to have it update against secure pr.default. I guess I could just try to fiddle with the torrent and see if it accepts the old iso. |
| 21:42.53 | c01100011_ | kuene - now don't install it on this ame drive now haha |
| 21:42.54 | dondelelcaro | Zrin: yes. |
| 21:42.55 | Dict_02x | hi all |
| 21:43.08 | joink | greycat: anyway =) thanks for the reply. |
| 21:43.11 | kuene | c01100011, ? |
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| 21:43.18 | Dict_02x | I have recently installed Real Player in my system, now, how can I add make Real Player play the .avi files ?? |
| 21:43.19 | Zrin | dondelcaro: is it possible to use the (new) installer? |
| 21:43.31 | dondelelcaro | Zrin: yes, the new installer should be useable in a serial console. |
| 21:43.42 | dondelelcaro | Zrin: I personally haven't used it that way, but I've been told people have. |
| 21:43.45 | greycat | joink: in that case, I'd probably extract the ISO image, edit it, then re-mkisofs it and then burn it. |
| 21:43.48 | c01100011_ | kuene - when you install ext3rminator don't install it on the ext3 drive you are hoping to save the zip from , it was a joke |
| 21:43.59 | Zrin | dondelelcaro: where shall i look for howto? |
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| 21:44.10 | Dict_02x | ?? |
| 21:44.12 | tcsetattr | should I just give up on mod_rewrite, is it completely broken in sarge? |
| 21:44.16 | bahutnoenie | Seb: I don't know anything about programming, never tried it before though. So shell is nice to start with? What where is a good page/book for newbies like me? |
| 21:44.18 | Seb | Dict_02x: that'd be a setting for whichever file manager you're using |
| 21:44.19 | joink | greycat: in that case I'll probably just go down to the school and download it from one of the local mirrors here in norway :p |
| 21:44.22 | kuene | c01100011, :( so there is no way? |
| 21:44.30 | dondelelcaro | Zrin: the install manual covers it, but you should be able to get the machine to boot, and then connect to your serial console, and continue on. |
| 21:44.34 | Seb | bahutnoenie: shell is not really nice to learn programming. Try python, rather. |
| 21:44.47 | Dict_02x | Seb, no, the file manager does not have to deal with it, I think, it is independent of it |
| 21:44.48 | Seb | bahutnoenie: nevertheless, that line I gave ya will solve your unzipping problem |
| 21:44.50 | dondelelcaro | Zrin: assuming, again, that you have a real serial console |
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| 21:44.54 | greycat | shell programming is very different from other languages |
| 21:44.58 | eliot | Java. |
| 21:44.59 | Seb | Dict_02x: yes it *does* |
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| 21:45.03 | Zrin | dondelelcaro: yes, a real serial console ... thx |
| 21:45.03 | c01100011_ | kuene - i am not familiar with retrieving deleted data but it seems writing anything to the disk is going to lower your chances |
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| 21:45.07 | Dict_02x | Seb, I just need the avi plugin for Real Player |
| 21:45.10 | eliot | java is the best |
| 21:45.13 | bahutnoenie | Seb: yah it worked, thnx. but why python, is it more easy then perl? |
| 21:45.18 | Seb | Dict_02x: then why can't you fucking ask that first ? |
| 21:45.24 | jesperj | There were no portable ogg players around in Sweden back when I bought my mp3 player and I'm too poor to buy one now :( |
| 21:45.27 | Seb | Dict_02x: ALSO, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH dEBIAN ? |
| 21:45.32 | Seb | wow, sorry for the caps |
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| 21:45.37 | Dict_02x | Seb, because I am using debian now :) |
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| 21:45.38 | kuene | c01100011, yes ;) |
| 21:45.40 | iobound | hi, anyone running x.org? after i switched to x.org 6.8.2, nedit fails with "BadMatch .... X_PolyFillRectangle" |
| 21:45.46 | greycat | iobound: not on topic here. |
| 21:45.47 | resiak | !topicsmite iobound |
| 21:45.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon iobound. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:45.51 | Seb | Dict_02x: yet RP is not packaged, so we can't quite tell ya where to find plugins for it |
| 21:45.53 | eliot | iobound: me/ |
| 21:45.56 | Seb | if there even is such a thing |
| 21:46.02 | iobound | grecay, well, it works if i use the nedit binary from nedit.org instead of debian's binary. |
| 21:46.08 | eliot | iobound: where did you get it from? |
| 21:46.14 | Dict_02x | Seb, ok, thanks for it... |
| 21:46.24 | brosio | i'm using debian unstable every boot something load ide_scsi modules but there isn't in /etc/modules, and it creates scsi cdrom for my dvd and dvd recorder... how could i do to get only hda and hdb ? |
| 21:46.24 | Seb | Dict_02x: that really was easy ;) |
| 21:46.28 | iobound | eliot, x.org or nedit? nedit from debian, and i installed x.org from source using that non-intrusive x.org howto |
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| 21:46.33 | kuene | caphuso, where can i download ext3rminator |
| 21:46.38 | Dict_02x | Seb, no problem.... that answer shut my mouth off |
| 21:46.45 | eliot | iobound: xorg, thats why |
| 21:46.47 | Seb | Dict_02x: understand we can't help with things that are not part of Debian |
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| 21:46.56 | Dict_02x | Seb, I know..... |
| 21:46.57 | iobound | eliot, yeah ok but it works with the nedit.org binary? |
| 21:47.02 | Seb | Dict_02x: good :) |
| 21:47.05 | Dict_02x | Seb, and I agree with you.. ;) |
| 21:47.08 | eliot | iobound: there's a better repo |
| 21:47.09 | Seb | heh |
| 21:47.12 | monsoon-1 | uggh I need to frikken reboot this stupid windows machine |
| 21:47.14 | eliot | iobound: give me a sec |
| 21:47.20 | shingouz | Dict_02x: to play avifiles try mplayer |
| 21:47.21 | Seb | monsoon-1: that'd be a first |
| 21:47.27 | Dict_02x | Seb, just dont get mad if I say something wrong, I am not the master of the universe in the linux world.... |
| 21:47.29 | glick | excuse me how come http://security.debian.org cant be found when i do apt-get update |
| 21:47.29 | shingouz | !tell Dict_02x about marillat |
| 21:47.32 | eliot | iobound: deb http://debian.linux-systeme.com sid main |
| 21:47.35 | glick | whats the dealy? |
| 21:47.39 | TheMoebius | OK, I'm supposed to install java-package with apt, but I can't find it in apt. What do I have to do? |
| 21:47.43 | Seb | Dict_02x: nah, it's fine, work on your question-asking skillz :> |
| 21:47.45 | jesperj | brosio, are you sure it is unstable that you use now that Sarge is released? |
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| 21:47.49 | caphuso | kuene: google |
| 21:47.52 | Seb | Dict_02x: alternatively, use xine to play videos |
| 21:47.56 | Seb | Dict_02x: it's a real nice player |
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| 21:48.11 | Dict_02x | Seb, ok.... |
| 21:48.11 | Seb | TheMoebius: what distro ? |
| 21:48.11 | brosio | jesperj, it's the same... |
| 21:48.15 | eliot | TheMoebius: deb http://debian.ethz.ch/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 21:48.21 | TheMoebius | Seb: sarge |
| 21:48.29 | jesperj | brosio, what is the same? |
| 21:48.33 | shingouz | fluck... i think i need something edible |
| 21:48.37 | Seb | dpkg, find java-package sarge |
| 21:48.39 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 21:48.40 | eliot | TheMoebius: add to sources.list |
| 21:48.42 | iobound | eliot ok thanks for that, but i'd prefer to keep the "genuine" debian X packages in case I decide to drop x.org :) |
| 21:48.47 | glick | is the debian security download site down? |
| 21:48.47 | eliot | ok |
| 21:48.48 | Seb | eliot: why would he need to do that ? |
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| 21:48.57 | eliot | iobound: no problem :) |
| 21:49.02 | TheMoebius | how do I add contrib to my sources list? |
| 21:49.03 | shingouz | glick: on testing? |
| 21:49.07 | Seb | eliot: oh I see, you were replying to the wrong person |
| 21:49.11 | glick | shingouz, yes |
| 21:49.12 | eliot | yes |
| 21:49.13 | chealer | glick: not for me |
| 21:49.13 | Seb | TheMoebius: add it after main ... |
| 21:49.27 | shingouz | glick: testing does not have security at all |
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| 21:49.30 | iobound | eliot although, do you know the technical cause? i know some C, is there anything I could try to hack to get it to work? I assume the error message means the client sends a "bad" drawing-request to the x server for some reason? |
| 21:49.35 | exerd_ | is there any guide how to install flash? |
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| 21:49.44 | Seb | TheMoebius: like deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 21:49.52 | c01100011_ | exerd - for what browser ? |
| 21:50.01 | exerd_ | firefox |
| 21:50.04 | eliot | iobound: I dont know much C (java for me), I really don't know, I guess you could |
| 21:50.05 | Seb | exerd_: use marillat's package |
| 21:50.06 | mfrisch | greycat yup |
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| 21:50.16 | Seb | exerd_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 21:50.21 | glick | shingouz, deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
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| 21:50.35 | iobound | eliot ok, thanks anyway :) (java mostly for me too though :) |
| 21:50.47 | eliot | iobound: :) |
| 21:50.47 | tcsetattr | what the hell is __db_ndbm_fetch_4002 and why does mod_rewrite want to use it? |
| 21:50.47 | Seb | exerd_: add that to your source list. And get all the major software that's not in Debian cause of licensing issues (mostly) |
| 21:51.05 | chealer | exerd_: why would he do that instead of using macromedia's player? |
| 21:51.08 | eliot | he's got that repo, I gave it to him |
| 21:51.15 | chealer | Seb: why would exerd_ do that instead of using macromedia's player? |
| 21:51.15 | shingouz | glick: then remove it ffs... there is *no* such service anymore, sarge went stable unless you know about it yet |
| 21:51.16 | c01100011_ | exerd - now your system is only free in the aspect like beer |
| 21:51.20 | eliot | exerd_: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 21:51.30 | eliot | beer is not free |
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| 21:51.33 | Seb | chealer: this will install macromedia player, mate |
| 21:51.37 | Seb | chealer: any other insights ? |
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| 21:51.50 | exerd_ | ok how do i install macromedia then? |
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| 21:52.04 | Seb | chealer: good, you've confused him |
| 21:52.05 | eliot | goto nvidia.com, click install missing plugins |
| 21:52.06 | drac | glick: that's wrong.. |
| 21:52.17 | jesperj | How do I make a binary .deb package for a program that was distributed in sourcecode so that I can install it with the .deb later? |
| 21:52.17 | eliot | it'll do it for you |
| 21:52.25 | Seb | jesperj: read the packaging manual |
| 21:52.30 | albo | why is there no berkeleydb 4-python on debian? |
| 21:52.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell jesperj about nm guide |
| 21:52.36 | jesperj | ty |
| 21:52.39 | glick | drac, whats wrong about it |
| 21:52.43 | jesperj | Anyone know if LMMS (Linux Multimedia Studio) ( http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ ) will be considered to be included in Debian in the future when it becomes more stable? I hope so |
| 21:52.50 | drac | glick: useless line, won't get anything from there. |
| 21:52.52 | chealer | exerd_: just get flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:52.54 | glick | shingouz, so that service no longer exists? |
| 21:52.55 | iobound | are there any roadmaps for etch/unstable, for example planned upgrades of libraries, apps, (x.org :) ?), etc. ? |
| 21:52.58 | glick | drac, but i used to |
| 21:53.10 | chealer | !tell iobound about vancouver |
| 21:53.14 | eliot | chealer: he can download it staright from firefox |
| 21:53.31 | drac | glick: really, what did you get from there? packages.gz, 111 B, empty? |
| 21:53.37 | dondelelcaro | albo: probably because it either hasn't been released, or hasn't been packaged yet. |
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| 21:53.39 | chealer | eliot: yeah, but that will only be a firefox extension |
| 21:53.48 | deadcat | i have a hdf which i cant fdisk, any reason why? /proc/partitions shows hdf hdf{1,2,3,5} |
| 21:53.52 | iobound | chealer thanks alot |
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| 21:53.53 | eliot | ah I see |
| 21:53.58 | chealer | iobound: search for GCC 4.0 (as there's a lot more info) |
| 21:54.00 | glick | drac, i got a 404 error |
| 21:54.05 | dondelelcaro | albo: see #220429 if you want to help out. |
| 21:54.10 | eliot | chealer: he said he wanted to install it for firefox though I think |
| 21:54.10 | glick | drac, whereas before i got updates from it |
| 21:54.11 | jasoncohen | http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html describes apt-get dist-upgrade as an "ever popular but dangerous" way to upgrade your system? Does this mean that apt-get upgrade or aptitude upgrade should be used under nomal circumstances and aptitude -f dist-upgrade only for distribution upgrades? |
| 21:54.17 | chealer | iobound: there are most likely better answers though |
| 21:54.28 | shingouz | !tell glick about etch security |
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| 21:54.46 | jasoncohen | is there ever a time to use apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:55.06 | dondelelcaro | iobound: some things, yes... but most of those are done by individual maintainers. You need to talk to the individual teams/maintainers if you want to learn about them. |
| 21:55.16 | shingouz | jasoncohen: yes, when you want to move to another version before it is "time" to do so |
| 21:55.18 | chealer | eliot: that's right, and there's not a single way. |
| 21:55.25 | iobound | dondelelcaro ok, i'll just keep reading DWN then :) |
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| 21:56.13 | jasoncohen | shingouz, so if i were to upgrade form sarge to etch in 6 months i would use apt-get dist-upgrade? But if i'm upgrading every few days or so i can use apt-get upgrade and if i want to upgrade from sarge to etch in 12-18 months aptitude -f dist-upgrade |
| 21:56.15 | dondelelcaro | Seb: dato was just approved on 5-29-2005... |
| 21:56.15 | iobound | i have to say that running debian-installer via PXE boot is one of the most awesome things i've ever seen |
| 21:56.22 | deadcat | how can i remove all the partitions on the hd? fdisk wont let me access it. complaining about bad primary partition 2: partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 21:56.23 | PerfDave | jesperj: If someone packages it for Debian, it may be in the next release. Or there could be third-party packages suitable for Debian. |
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| 21:56.45 | PerfDave | jesperj: dist-upgrade and upgrade do different things. Read the manpage. |
| 21:56.45 | quittt | do you know a good car game, checkers and chess games? |
| 21:56.47 | Seb | dondelelcaro: yeah, it's now down to 17 people waiting for DAM approval. Before that it got stuck at 18 for like a month :> |
| 21:56.48 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: uh, no. |
| 21:56.59 | Seb | dondelelcaro: so I guess my qualifier of 'constant' was slighlty off ;) |
| 21:57.20 | hmmm | can some one give me some guide on installing bitmap font? |
| 21:57.34 | da4n1 | seems like no mather what i do i get "Fatal server error: no screens found" when i try to startx |
| 21:57.41 | shingouz | jasoncohen: yes |
| 21:57.51 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, ok, so in what circumstances should upgrade, dist-upgrade and aptitude be used? |
| 21:57.53 | Seb | da4n1: then your server is misconfigured. You sure you picked the right driver ? |
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| 21:58.07 | da4n1 | i'm not sure |
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| 21:58.12 | shingouz | jasoncohen: uh.. i'll take that one back, i have no idea what you actually asked |
| 21:58.22 | Seb | da4n1: what brand is your graphics card ? |
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| 21:58.57 | jasoncohen | shingouz, basically- when should i use apt-get upgrade and when should i use apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:59.06 | hmmm | i've tried mkfontdir, add FontPath to XF86config-4, edit fonts.conf , it still wont regoznise the font i installed |
| 21:59.08 | shingouz | jasoncohen: phone |
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| 21:59.23 | paulswm | I always use dist-upgrade personally |
| 21:59.28 | Seb | jasoncohen: upgrade won't install new packages. dist-upgrade will if it has to. Now you figure out in which case you might want one or the other |
| 21:59.44 | quittt | there is not testing updates? |
| 22:00.00 | da4n1 | Seb: its the VIA K8M800 chipset donnu what grphics its on it |
| 22:00.03 | PerfDave | Argh, I was talking to jasoncohen not jesperj, my bad :) |
| 22:00.04 | iobound | jasoncohen i use dist-upgrade every day to track unstable. if it suddently wants to remove a lot of packages, i abort and use upgrade instead until things work out |
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| 22:00.14 | jasoncohen | Seb, yes, i know that- but I'm wondering why this FAQ says dist-upgrades are dangerous |
| 22:00.14 | Seb | da4n1: so when you configured X, which driver did you pick ? |
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| 22:00.21 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: If you're running stable, you only need upgrade. If you're not, you will occasionally need dist-upgrade |
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| 22:00.28 | Seb | jasoncohen: because it can remove stuff and replace it by something else ? |
| 22:00.35 | da4n1 | vesa if thats what you mean |
| 22:00.38 | jasoncohen | ok |
| 22:00.42 | Seb | da4n1: you don't want vesa |
| 22:00.51 | Seb | da4n1: you want via, I guess. if there is such a thing |
| 22:01.05 | tonix | hi guys, is there a way out there to use something like service service restart script in debian with colored output? thanks |
| 22:01.16 | da4n1 | no souch thing here |
| 22:01.26 | r_marvin | tonix: yes |
| 22:01.27 | jasoncohen | when i tried aptitude dist-upgrade it wanted to uninstall mysql 4.1 and replace it with mysql 4.0.24, and it also wanted to install another 30 or so packages and i'm not sure why. apt-get dist-upgrade didn't. |
| 22:01.32 | Seb | da4n1: lspci | grep VGA |
| 22:01.34 | r_marvin | edit init.d scripts |
| 22:01.41 | tonix | like on redhat,mdk,and so on |
| 22:01.44 | jesperj | PerfDave, I know nothing about maintaining packages for Debian, but, I appreciate the initiative of the creator of that program to create a GNU alternative to the commerical musicmaking program Fruityloops. I will try the program out and if I think it is fairly stable I might help the guy who makes it to put debs for sarge on his site which he is asking for... |
| 22:01.45 | jasoncohen | this was on a up to date testing system |
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| 22:02.21 | da4n1 | Seb: there is vga here under vesa if thats what you mean |
| 22:02.25 | tonix | i just want to view a green [ok] on my screen when the service is restarted |
| 22:02.29 | jesperj | PerfDave, or actually he is welcoming people building binary packages for various distros |
| 22:02.32 | Seb | da4n1: run that line I gave you |
| 22:02.40 | Seb | da4n1: there should be only one line of output, paste it here |
| 22:03.05 | PerfDave | Hmm, init scripts in Debian: lsb-base, sysvinit, runit |
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| 22:03.19 | deadcat | if fdisk wont let me access my hdf, what do i do? |
| 22:03.23 | jair | hello guys |
| 22:03.28 | PerfDave | deadcat: Get root? :) |
| 22:03.28 | jair | nice and happy to be here again |
| 22:03.32 | Seb | deadcat: why wouldn't it ? :) |
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| 22:04.08 | deadcat | PerfDave: i am. |
| 22:04.21 | da4n1 | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3108 (rev 01) |
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| 22:04.25 | jair | I install kde in a sarge computer using the command "apt-get install kde" and after that install alsa and the computer works perfecly. |
| 22:04.29 | neoXite | hi, during the initial base-config setup i could enter a http proxy for apt-use, how can i manually bring up the apt proxy setup again? |
| 22:04.30 | deadcat | Seb: fdisk wont let me access it. complaining about bad primary partition 2: partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 22:04.36 | Seb | da4n1: what kernel are you running ? |
| 22:04.37 | PerfDave | neoXite: apt-setup |
| 22:04.41 | Seb | deadcat: oyyy |
| 22:04.42 | jesperj | ./configure finished without warnings yet make gives compiling error: "...-L/usr/lib -lqt-mt -lSDL_sound -lasound -lvorbis /usr/bin/ld: Can not find -lqt-mt" < any ideas how to fix? |
| 22:04.48 | giupy | deadcat, are you sure your hd is hdf ? |
| 22:05.00 | Ugly_Duck | wahoo... new kernel installed |
| 22:05.02 | PerfDave | jesperj: Uhm, please tell me that you're compiling in /usr/local ;) |
| 22:05.02 | deadcat | giupy: 100% sure |
| 22:05.03 | Seb | jesperj: install the right libqt....-dev package |
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| 22:05.05 | da4n1 | Seb: 2.6.8 sarge amd64 |
| 22:05.14 | Seb | jesperj: most likely this is a configure bug thouhg |
| 22:05.18 | BlackShuck | OK, I give up, where do I find the kernel sources in the sarge packages? I need it to get ndiswrapper working. I can only find the kernel binaries and headers |
| 22:05.24 | Seb | jesperj: review the part of configure that checks for QT |
| 22:05.25 | jair | I install in the same computer for second time kde-base which is the light way and then after that the alsa system and the computer do not want to keep the configuration of the sound???? |
| 22:05.32 | quittt | do you know good game for Debian? |
| 22:05.32 | PerfDave | BlackShuck: Use module-assistant. |
| 22:05.33 | BlackShuck | I only have CD1, is it on another disk? |
| 22:05.33 | jesperj | PerfDave, ~/tar/foo :) |
| 22:05.34 | giupy | deadcat, have you used something like partition magic for resize or move partitions ? |
| 22:05.37 | gtigene | When I do "make xconfig" in my old kernel source directory everything is fine, but when I do it in my new kernel source directory it complains that it cannot find a bunch of C include files. What could be wrong? |
| 22:05.48 | PerfDave | gtigene: Is your new kernel a 2.6 one? |
| 22:05.50 | Seb | BlackShuck: kernel-source-2.x.y-... |
| 22:05.55 | deadcat | giupy: i dont have windows. and i dont have partition magic. |
| 22:05.57 | PerfDave | gtigene: Why are you compiling and not using a kernel-image package? |
| 22:05.57 | Seb | BlackShuck: it might be |
| 22:06.05 | shingouz | hehehe..... Star Trek is on air.. the original one at that. guess what i will do? (correct answer: go couch potato for a while) |
| 22:06.05 | gtigene | PerfDave, absolutely |
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| 22:06.10 | jair | so I think that when I install kde-base the computer do not install something that the apt-get kde does |
| 22:06.11 | BlackShuck | Is there a way to find out which disk has what packages? |
| 22:06.18 | thorie | where can I get help with Sendmail? |
| 22:06.24 | Seb | thorie: #sendmail ? |
| 22:06.24 | jesperj | Seb, libqt3-dev is installed |
| 22:06.38 | PerfDave | gtigene: /msg dpkg xconfig |
| 22:06.40 | Seb | jesperj: you need something about qt-mt |
| 22:06.42 | thorie | Seb: that room is dead |
| 22:06.46 | BlackShuck | onces I can get the kernel sources, I can get ndisrwapper working, and then my packages online.. Until then, I am shafted.... |
| 22:06.50 | thorie | Seb: so is the mailing list, so is the newsgroup |
| 22:06.50 | gtigene | PerfDave, I am compiling because I need version info on my kernel symbols and I need the SiS900 network interface driver. |
| 22:06.50 | shingouz | BlackShuck: at least the jigdo files have that information, probably something else too but i cnanot think what or where |
| 22:06.54 | Seb | thorie: tough luck then |
| 22:06.56 | PerfDave | gtigene: /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:06.57 | Seb | thorie: use exim ? |
| 22:06.57 | eliot | shingouz: TOS sucks |
| 22:07.06 | thorie | :/ |
| 22:07.12 | BlackShuck | jigdo is a bit of a joke, crashes on my Win system when you run it... |
| 22:07.14 | PerfDave | jesperj: Looks like you n eed libqt3-mt-dev |
| 22:07.14 | Seb | thorie: exim is good. so is postfix. |
| 22:07.17 | gtigene | PerfDave, OK |
| 22:07.19 | eliot | shingouz: TNG, VOY for me |
| 22:07.20 | BlackShuck | gave up on that very quickly.... |
| 22:07.29 | shingouz | BlackShuck: windows is a bit of a joke if jigdo crashes it |
| 22:07.33 | Seb | BlackShuck: hmm, you sure the joke is not between the chair and the keyboard ? |
| 22:07.36 | thorie | Seb: that doesn't solve any problems, it just moves the problems to another platform |
| 22:07.39 | PerfDave | jigdo is a damn handy utility :) |
| 22:07.42 | bucky | thorie, have you apt-got sendmail-doc and looked at it in your browser? |
| 22:07.43 | BlackShuck | no, badly coded mingw apps are a joke |
| 22:07.46 | Seb | thorie: one o nwhich you might get support |
| 22:07.47 | shingouz | eliot: i am an old fart, cut me some slack, will ya? |
| 22:07.57 | giupy | deadcat, paste in #flood " fdisk -l |
| 22:08.14 | giupy | i'm curious |
| 22:08.24 | da4n1 | Seb: what bout 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3108 (rev 01) |
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| 22:08.35 | Seb | jesperj: libqt3-mt-dev most likely |
| 22:08.44 | Seb | da4n1: well the kernel doesn't know what card that is |
| 22:08.52 | Trist | Anyone able to tell me what version of kde is available in debian development? |
| 22:08.58 | PerfDave | BlackShuck: fftsap |
| 22:09.01 | jesperj | PerfDave, ah that one I do NOT have installed yet :) Can you please help me remove that crayon in my brain when you are at it so my iq gets a raise to that of a normal person while you are at it? |
| 22:09.01 | Seb | da4n1: so either you tell me what it is, looking at the doc that came with your ox, or Ican't help ya out |
| 22:09.02 | patric_ | 3.3 |
| 22:09.04 | jesperj | Seb yeah ty |
| 22:09.07 | PerfDave | Trist: "debian development"? :) |
| 22:09.10 | drac | seb: lspci is part of pciutils and has nothing to do with kernel.. afaik. |
| 22:09.20 | Seb | jesperj: yet there is a configure bug ;) |
| 22:09.35 | tribbin | You can found package information on debian.org |
| 22:09.38 | Seb | drac: where do you think lspci gets its info from ? |
| 22:09.38 | PerfDave | Trist: 3.3 is in the main branches, 3.4 debs are available but slightly trickier to obtain. In a couple of weeks, 3.4 will be in testing and unstable. |
| 22:09.39 | drac | da4n1: you'll need 'via' driver for that card, and it's only in X.Org (at least the decent 3D parts are) and X.Org isn't in Debian yet. |
| 22:09.55 | Seb | drac: isn't there a via driver at all in xfree ? |
| 22:09.57 | deadcat | giupy: fdisk -l outputs nothing by the way |
| 22:10.06 | Trist | PerfDave: Apologies - I was thinking about something else when I typed that. I meant to say unstable! |
| 22:10.10 | PerfDave | drac: Are you sure Debian's xfree doesn't have the driver backported? It has many of them. |
| 22:10.11 | Seb | drac: guy just is trying to get X for now, I geuss he can worry about 3D later |
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| 22:10.32 | giupy | deadcat, mmm dunno |
| 22:10.37 | BlackShuck | Unfortunaty, I had to book Windows, becuase Linux hardware support is so ropey..., thus had to use jigdo window port, which crashes in ssh |
| 22:10.48 | eliot | what about gnome. |
| 22:10.57 | drac | Seb: 'at least', and lspci uses pciids.. you can update that whenever you want. /usr/bin/update-pciids |
| 22:10.57 | PerfDave | crashes in ssh? You were sshing into a Windows box to run jigdo? |
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| 22:11.04 | eliot | my opinion states that kde sucks ass |
| 22:11.05 | drac | PerfDave: could be |
| 22:11.17 | PerfDave | eliot: Nobody cares about your opinion ;) |
| 22:11.22 | jesperj | Seb, As I said to PerfDave I don't know anything about maintaining Debian packages and as much about distributing sources and compiling other than just doing "./configure" "make" "make install", but yeah I figure "./configure" should ask for that library |
| 22:11.26 | jesperj | if needed |
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| 22:11.40 | PerfDave | jesperj: No, you want to do "./configure --prefix=/usr/local" |
| 22:11.41 | eliot | PerfDave: neither do I |
| 22:11.42 | Seb | jesperj: precisely |
| 22:11.43 | PerfDave | jesperj: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 22:11.52 | Seb | PerfDave: on debian ?? |
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| 22:12.03 | Seb | jesperj: oh i see, install prefix |
| 22:12.04 | Seb | my bad |
| 22:12.09 | Seb | disregard my comment :0 |
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| 22:12.17 | Seb | i meant PerfDave |
| 22:12.20 | jesperj | ok ty |
| 22:12.23 | PerfDave | Seb: If you're compiling something from source in Debian, stick it in /usr/local, /opt or $HOME otherwise it will conflict with apt. |
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| 22:12.48 | gtigene | PerfDave, I read it and it is pretty terse and cryptic. Are you telling me that "make menuconfig", etc. are no longer supported? |
| 22:12.50 | Seb | yeah yeah, i thought you were meaning to have configure look into /usr/local for libs or something :D |
| 22:12.52 | drac | PerfDave: Looks like you are right. Searched, and found e.g. xserver-xfree86: usr/X11R6/man/man4/via.4x.gz |
| 22:12.58 | PerfDave | gtigene: No |
| 22:13.04 | PerfDave | drac: I win! :) |
| 22:13.18 | drac | :) |
| 22:13.19 | Seb | da4n1: so you should be able to select via as a driver |
| 22:13.21 | jesperj | PerfDave, thank you. I am very glad you told me that |
| 22:13.29 | Seb | da4n1: that's what I told you about 15 minutes ago, IYRC |
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| 22:14.16 | PerfDave | gtigene: I'm saying that if you want to use "make xconfig" on a 2.6 kernel source, you need to install the libqt3-dev package, as the factoid says. And that to actually compile your kernel you should use make-kpkg |
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| 22:16.14 | K_Dallas | Good evening! Could I be pointed to howto for sound card installation? Thanks (sarge-2.4-27, alsa) a sample error msg: /usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/liboss_out.so failed to load |
| 22:16.20 | K_Dallas | _Good evening! Could I be pointed to howto for sound card installation? Thanks (sarge-2.4-27, alsa) a sample error msg: /usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/liboss_out.so failed to load |
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| 22:17.01 | jshoenberger | !dpkg |
| 22:17.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 22:17.18 | K_Dallas | lspci gives this: Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 22:17.45 | lewis | does sarge have a highmem kernel? |
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| 22:17.52 | PerfDave | lewis: Define "highmem" |
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| 22:18.03 | lewis | up to 4gb (bigger than 900mb) |
| 22:18.12 | PerfDave | lewis: I know that Sarge's amd64-k8-smp kernels support >4Gb RAM |
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| 22:18.30 | supaman | K_Dallas: try the sound howto on www.tldp.org |
| 22:18.49 | Dr_O | lewis: grep /boot/config* from the kernel package |
| 22:18.52 | arthurb_ | Hi, can someone tell me how I can reconfigure my system to use only a specifi locale ? |
| 22:18.54 | PerfDave | K_Dallas: Does that file exist? |
| 22:18.58 | K_Dallas | thanks (i used to let sarge decide what to install but this time i picked the packges one by one |
| 22:18.59 | supaman | or does that not cover ALSA? |
| 22:19.00 | PerfDave | arthurb_: /msg dpkg locales |
| 22:19.09 | K_Dallas | PerfDave, let me see |
| 22:19.16 | lewis | PerfDave: I guess I'll find out. I have 1Gb, but I remember that unless you install a highmem kernel, only 900Mb or so is used |
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| 22:19.40 | arthurb_ | PerfDave, hur ? |
| 22:19.45 | Dr_O | lewis: I'm fairly certain you will be OK... |
| 22:19.47 | K_Dallas | PerfDave, yes it exists |
| 22:19.55 | paulswm | lewis: I think it's set to 4GB by default |
| 22:20.21 | lewis | paulswm: appreciate the information - thanks |
| 22:20.25 | Dr_O | lewis: I know I had to recompile to use more than 4G |
| 22:20.44 | PerfDave | !tell arthurb_ -about msgdpkg |
| 22:20.44 | paulswm | lewis: yw |
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| 22:21.22 | arthurb_ | ok |
| 22:21.27 | robin_sz | OK, so why did my Sarge box crap itself ... again? huh? |
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| 22:21.39 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Because it hates you. |
| 22:21.47 | robin_sz | could be |
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| 22:21.49 | PerfDave | robin_sz: It's trying to drive you to suicide so it can steal your Buffy DVDs. |
| 22:22.00 | Phated | Buffeee? |
| 22:22.00 | shruggar | how do I reconfigure the network using menus? like, what command do I use to get to that menu? |
| 22:22.02 | da4n1 | Seb: so i should download and compile x.org then? |
| 22:22.07 | robin_sz | ahh. no. thats unlikely |
| 22:22.08 | eliot | buffy sucks, much like Star Trek: TOS |
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| 22:22.16 | arthurb_ | ur, I obviously already dpkg-reconfigured locales |
| 22:22.20 | Seb | da4n1: no, you should select the via driver from xfree |
| 22:22.24 | PerfDave | eliot: You seem to think a lot of things suck, and that people care about your opinion ;) |
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| 22:22.28 | PerfDave | shruggar: apt-get install etherconf |
| 22:22.28 | robin_sz | eliot: buffy sucks? do you havie that on DVD? |
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| 22:22.36 | Seb | da4n1: reconfigure the damn thing, and pick 'via' as a driver |
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| 22:22.44 | arthurb_ | and /etc/environment seems fine |
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| 22:22.55 | eliot | PerfDave: Seriously I give a shit |
| 22:22.57 | PerfDave | arthurb_: It's not obvious what you did. We're not psychic. |
| 22:22.59 | shruggar | PerfDave: gee, thanks, how about if I need to do so because my network needs reconfiguring? :P |
| 22:23.03 | da4n1 | Seb: via isn't there so i need to get the via driver first then or? |
| 22:23.09 | arthurb_ | ok :) |
| 22:23.18 | arthurb_ | so basically perl is yelling each time I use apt-get |
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| 22:23.20 | PerfDave | shruggar: Install off CD :) |
| 22:23.30 | arthurb_ | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings... etc |
| 22:23.38 | Seb | da4n1: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o |
| 22:23.41 | Seb | da4n1: it's there for me |
| 22:23.50 | PerfDave | shruggar: Or just edit your /etc/network/interfaces manually, /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 22:23.51 | Seb | da4n1: you did install xserver-xfree86 didnt' you ? |
| 22:24.44 | juanmals | to run gnome 2.10 do I need just gdm + x-window-maker + xserver-xorg + gnome???? |
| 22:24.51 | da4n1 | Seb: yes |
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| 22:25.07 | eliot | juanmals: don't bother, gnome's fucked. |
| 22:25.35 | Seb | da4n1: so how many drivers are you presented with when oyu configure X ? |
| 22:25.41 | robin_sz | PerfDave: does eliot ever say anything useful, or can I safely add him/her/it to my /ignore? |
| 22:25.43 | Seb | da4n1: and *how* are you tryingto configure it ? |
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| 22:25.49 | PerfDave | juanmals: gnome 2.10 isn't in Debian, nor is xorg. |
| 22:25.57 | lewis | how easy is it to break the memory controllers on a motherboard? (perhaps difficult to answer this random question) |
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| 22:26.01 | FieldySnuts | @start a wm war |
| 22:26.01 | ravenbird | enlightenment makes me vomit! |
| 22:26.05 | da4n1 | 24 |
| 22:26.08 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Dunno. A while ago he was going on about how gnome was great and kde sucked, so I'm starting to think the latter ;) |
| 22:26.24 | arthurb_ | hum |
| 22:26.27 | tcsetattr | recompiling mod_rewrite.so worked... someone should really look into the one that comes with sarge though, it's unusable |
| 22:26.36 | torgrimt_ | it is? |
| 22:26.40 | Skyblaze | anyone here uses timidity to play midi fils? |
| 22:26.40 | torgrimt_ | im using it without problems |
| 22:26.42 | robin_sz | PerfDave: hes probably french |
| 22:26.49 | FieldySnuts | sounds like user error |
| 22:26.50 | juanmals | PerfDave, gnome 2.10 is in debian experimental |
| 22:26.57 | arthurb_ | perl claims that my locale settings don't seem to be supported or installed on my system... |
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| 22:27.01 | torgrimt_ | i have ran mod_rewrite for 8 months from sarge three |
| 22:27.02 | torgrimt_ | tree |
| 22:27.03 | PerfDave | juanmals: If you have to ask how to use experimental, then you shouldn't ;) |
| 22:27.07 | Seb | robin_sz: you cna suck my french dick, beyotch |
| 22:27.10 | FieldySnuts | @lart eliot |
| 22:27.19 | arthurb_ | and displays /etc/nenvironment |
| 22:27.27 | FieldySnuts | Seb: haha. yeah righto |
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| 22:27.46 | tcsetattr | well, you were in testing... on a plain stable upgrade path, you end up with an unloadable module |
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| 22:27.59 | da4n1 | Seb: 24 |
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| 22:28.12 | Guerin | tcsetattr: apache1? |
| 22:28.15 | da4n1 | Seb: btw its a via k8m800 |
| 22:28.16 | paulswm | Wow, things seem to be going to the dogs and FieldySnuts has arrived, what a coincidence :P |
| 22:28.17 | sciboy | Grar! |
| 22:28.24 | Seb | da4n1: and ? |
| 22:28.26 | tcsetattr | uh, apache-common is the package it came in |
| 22:28.32 | PerfDave | paulswm: FieldySnuts is a bad influence on #debian? ;) |
| 22:28.34 | scorphus | Why would one prefer to run "invokerc.d networking restart" instead of "/etc/init.d/networking restart"? |
| 22:28.36 | Seb | da4n1: i asked how you were configuring X ? What *method* are you using ? |
| 22:28.40 | FieldySnuts | :( |
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| 22:28.44 | Phated | PerfDave: Clearly! |
| 22:28.46 | PerfDave | tcsetattr: Did you submit a bug report for the upgrade path? |
| 22:28.52 | paulswm | !hug FieldySnuts |
| 22:28.57 | sciboy | I just installed Java1.5 and i linked it so i could use it in mozilla-firefox, but it takes bloody ages to load making my browser look as if it just crashed. |
| 22:28.58 | PerfDave | scorphus: It's more elite. |
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| 22:29.02 | da4n1 | Seb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:29.03 | Dr_O | scorphus: as there are some different init type setups... |
| 22:29.07 | Guerin | tcsetattr: ok. Worked fine for me; I upgraded from woody a month or so ago, and pulled in the last lot yesterday. |
| 22:29.08 | FieldySnuts | nibbles |
| 22:29.08 | paulswm | PerfDave: Not at all! |
| 22:29.13 | Phated | FieldySnuts: You know you like being a bad influence on me. ;) |
| 22:29.23 | paulswm | Get a ROOM |
| 22:29.27 | FieldySnuts | Phated: and you know you like it! |
| 22:29.27 | paulswm | :D |
| 22:29.27 | Phated | CHANNEL |
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| 22:29.31 | Dr_O | scorphus: invokerc.d knows how to work out which one you are using and do the right thing... |
| 22:29.31 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Yes, dear. |
| 22:29.35 | Seb | da4n1: so via will be one of the choices. Unless your xserver-xfree86 is way ol.d You're using sarge ? |
| 22:29.40 | FieldySnuts | eating brb |
| 22:29.41 | scorphus | PerfDave: how do you define 'elite'? |
| 22:29.41 | robin_sz | Seb: oh, quand meme? |
| 22:29.46 | scorphus | Dr_O: mmm... cool |
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| 22:29.47 | Seb | robin_sz: bah ouais hein |
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| 22:29.49 | PerfDave | scorphus: If you have to ask... ;) |
| 22:29.51 | tcsetattr | funny how when I came in here and pasted the error message asking for help, nobody responded at all, but when I say I fixed the problem myself by recompiling, everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong |
| 22:29.59 | paulswm | !gothsmite Phated |
| 22:30.06 | Phated | Oy! |
| 22:30.11 | paulswm | :> |
| 22:30.11 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 22:30.12 | Phated | I'm not goth anymore! |
| 22:30.14 | da4n1 | Seb: sarge amd64 installed bouth a week ago |
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| 22:30.15 | Guerin | tcsetattr: i've only just woken up |
| 22:30.18 | PerfDave | tcsetattr: Hey, I just got in from watching a movie! |
| 22:30.19 | Phated | I wear COLOURS now! |
| 22:30.29 | PerfDave | PhAt3fUlDeTh \m/ |
| 22:30.30 | Guerin | Phated: lanest .... defence .... ever. |
| 22:30.31 | Seb | da4n1: then maybe the xserver-xfree86 amd64 port doesn't have via |
| 22:30.35 | Seb | i don't see howthat oculd be, though |
| 22:30.35 | exerd | how do i change runlevel? |
| 22:30.36 | Seb | but well |
| 22:30.40 | Phated | Guerin: Oh, hush, I don't have a rainbow in my hair. |
| 22:30.47 | Seb | da4n1: so you see many choices, yet via isn't of them ? |
| 22:30.50 | PerfDave | exerd: Why do you want to change runlevel? |
| 22:30.53 | scorphus | thanks kiddos |
| 22:30.53 | spaetz | Is there a working graphical boot splash available? |
| 22:30.56 | Guerin | Phated: the world is full of small mercies |
| 22:31.00 | Phated | :P |
| 22:31.03 | exerd | PerfDave, hmm gnome starts instead of fluxbox |
| 22:31.06 | PerfDave | Phated: I'm wearing a white T-shirt and khaki shorts, fear me. |
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| 22:31.09 | Guerin | spaetz: splashy, in experimental |
| 22:31.13 | Phated | PerfDave: Heh. |
| 22:31.14 | exerd | PerfDave, i dont want gdm to startup at startup |
| 22:31.17 | PerfDave | exerd: Why do you think that changing your runlevel will help with that? |
| 22:31.31 | Seb | PerfDave: thats the way other distros do it |
| 22:31.32 | exerd | wind_ doh ask the guys in #debian on how to change your runlevel |
| 22:31.33 | PerfDave | exerd: What do you want to be run at startup? |
| 22:31.36 | gpm | exerd: man update-rc.d |
| 22:31.41 | Dr_O | exerd: install sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:31.44 | exerd | PerfDave, fluxbox |
| 22:31.45 | da4n1 | Seb: if i use nforce what driver should i select then? |
| 22:31.46 | neoXite | does anybody know how to change the http proxy server that apt-setup uses? changing the proxy in apt.conf doesnt help.. |
| 22:31.55 | spaetz | I'd like to hide some console ugliness when doing presentations |
| 22:31.56 | Seb | da4n1: i have no idea what nforce is |
| 22:31.59 | Phated | You can choose fluxbox from GDM, can't you? |
| 22:32.01 | PerfDave | exerd: No display manager, just fluxbox? Logging you in automatically? |
| 22:32.02 | spaetz | Guerin: thanks |
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| 22:32.07 | cureless | -devel has a thread about having etch use multiple runlevels for X login. |
| 22:32.07 | Dr_O | gpm: update-rc.d is ONLY for maintainer scripts... |
| 22:32.08 | gpm | yeah you can |
| 22:32.17 | exerd | PerfDave, hmm i dont know what do you recommend? |
| 22:32.23 | Phated | What's the problem with GDM starting, then? |
| 22:32.24 | Guerin | !nodm |
| 22:32.24 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 22:32.29 | gpm | Dr_O: um. if he wants to get rid of gdm, wouldn't update-rc.d -f gdm remove do the trick? |
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| 22:32.43 | PerfDave | update-rc.d works fine from the command line :) |
| 22:32.47 | RedPenguin | Can I safely move /home to another hd, without completly screwing up the system? |
| 22:32.47 | Guerin | Dr_O: you're completely full of shit. |
| 22:32.49 | exerd | Phated, when i start fluxbox it works fine for about 2minutes but then gnome automaticly loads |
| 22:32.51 | da4n1 | Seb: nvidia mainboard chipset :D been on the market as for many yeats now in many flavers :p |
| 22:32.52 | tarzeau | damned. addictive. games. |
| 22:32.58 | tarzeau | paulswm: your fault! |
| 22:33.00 | cureless | RedPenguin: normally yes. |
| 22:33.00 | Seb | Dr_O: I concur with Guerin |
| 22:33.16 | Seb | da4n1: then nvidia I guess is the right driver, if there is such a thing |
| 22:33.18 | Phated | exerd: Heh, cool, software taking over. |
| 22:33.28 | exerd | Phated, =P |
| 22:33.33 | Seb | da4n1: do you somehow believe I know xfree by heart ? Or that xfree doc won't tell ya all those things you're asking ? |
| 22:33.35 | RedPenguin | I see, well I want to mvoe /home to my second hard drive to save space, but I don't know how excatly I should do it, so nothing is really messed up |
| 22:33.49 | sciboy | Gah! |
| 22:33.51 | mikaEL` | can I use debian (3.0r5) with ReiserFS? |
| 22:33.51 | Phated | da4n1: You want the nv driver, unless you have the nvidia one, see /mdg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 22:34.05 | Guerin | mikaEL`: don't. Install 3.1/ |
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| 22:34.14 | Seb | RedPenguin: cp -Pr /home /mnt/home, then edit fstab to reflect the change, then umount /home and remount it |
| 22:34.14 | cureless | RedPenguin: just mv it. mount over your old /home, check that it works, then you can delete the old /home. |
| 22:34.18 | tarzeau | mikaEL`: any reason why you want ReiserFS ? |
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| 22:34.21 | robin_sz | sigh ... www.debian.org seems to be down |
| 22:34.21 | robin_sz | must be running on 'doze ;) |
| 22:34.21 | arthurb_ | can someone help me with locales ? I tried the standard advices but still experience problems |
| 22:34.22 | robin_sz | ahh .. there it is. |
| 22:34.23 | tarzeau | !ricerfs |
| 22:34.23 | dpkg | hmm... ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 22:34.24 | PerfDave | Guerin: Don't, reiserfs is shite ;) |
| 22:34.25 | cureless | RedPenguin: I mean, cp -a, don't mv it. |
| 22:34.30 | Dr_O | updare-rc.d is ONLY for maintainers... if you remove ALL the symlins they reappear on a package upgrade. You shoud use a tool like sysv-rc-conf to change the sym links to be off.. The key thing is to leave at least one in place then they will not be recreated on package upgrade. |
| 22:34.32 | Guerin | PerfDave: point. |
| 22:34.41 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: Mount your hard drive on /mnt/somthing, use cp -a to copy everything across, delete /home/*, mount your second hd onto /home :) |
| 22:34.51 | sciboy | Gah! So slow. |
| 22:34.52 | FieldySnuts | don't forget to EDIT /etc/fstab |
| 22:34.53 | tarzeau | PerfDave: you are so objective |
| 22:34.59 | RedPenguin | Hmmm |
| 22:35.00 | RedPenguin | Makes sense |
| 22:35.03 | FieldySnuts | that';s java for you |
| 22:35.03 | Guerin | Dr_O: you can leave them in place using update-rc.d - once again: full of shit. |
| 22:35.09 | FieldySnuts | !java |
| 22:35.09 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 22:35.16 | paulswm | tcsetattr: Actually, looking though the logs, all I see is that a couple of people said it worked ok for them and PerfDave suggested you file a bug report, hardly "everyone wants to tell me I'm wrong" |
| 22:35.29 | Dr_O | !nodm |
| 22:35.29 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 22:35.37 | PerfDave | tarzeau: That's what you get for usign non-free software like Java :) |
| 22:35.41 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: that java info is SO NUTS |
| 22:35.42 | PerfDave | ARGH |
| 22:35.42 | caonex | what is the meaning of segmentation default when running apt-get upgrade |
| 22:35.44 | RedPenguin | One other thing, how can I see excatly what dirs are using up the most space and also what packages? |
| 22:35.52 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: do you have any java application in use? |
| 22:35.56 | tarzeau | PerfDave: i don't use any! |
| 22:35.58 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: hell no |
| 22:36.00 | gtigene | With kernel 2.4 I compiled kernel source because I needed driver for Sis900 network interface. To upgrade to 2.6 do I need to recompile the kernal? |
| 22:36.01 | cureless | caonex: segmentation default? |
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| 22:36.05 | Dr_O | dpkg says "update-rc.d -f xdm remove"... this is not good in package updates... |
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| 22:36.06 | dpkg | Dr_O: that's too long |
| 22:36.08 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: why can't we !forget java ? |
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| 22:36.10 | Phated | FieldySnuts! You're baaack! |
| 22:36.17 | tarzeau | Phated: HEY! LOLZ |
| 22:36.17 | Guerin | Dr_O: suggest a replacement |
| 22:36.18 | caonex | cureless, i know that is an error, but where? how can i fix it? |
| 22:36.20 | FieldySnuts | probably locked so wankers can't forget it |
| 22:36.30 | Guerin | Dr_O: the easiest way is the echo... |
| 22:36.32 | exerd | hmm i want ip 192.168.0.1 on eth0 but it changes to nothing when i restart. how do i make it stay? |
| 22:36.33 | cureless | caonex: are you sure it's segmentation _default_? |
| 22:36.38 | sciboy | Its working, but its stupidly slow to the point where i pretty much halts my browser. |
| 22:36.41 | caonex | cureless |
| 22:36.47 | caonex | cureless, yes i am sure |
| 22:36.47 | FieldySnuts | sciboy: yes. that's java. |
| 22:36.49 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 22:36.50 | Seb | exerd: /etc/netowrk/interfaces |
| 22:36.51 | Guerin | sciboy: that's java for ya |
| 22:36.56 | Dr_O | Guerin: I'll add the echo to my tool box! Thanks |
| 22:37.05 | cureless | caonex: it is not segmentation _fault_? |
| 22:37.07 | sciboy | It was nothing like that a few seconds ago! |
| 22:37.16 | RedPenguin | Oh I feel silly for my last question, I forgot about du |
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| 22:37.44 | FieldySnuts | RedPenguin: if you have KDE, filelight is a great way to see. be sure to go to its prefs, and set crossing of filesystem boundaries on, and show small files. |
| 22:37.44 | caonex | cureless, i mean that, yeah, did not pay attention to the spelling. |
| 22:37.48 | caonex | cureless, ;) |
| 22:37.55 | PerfDave | exerd: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 22:38.17 | tcsetattr | the bug's gone now... with a web server down there's no time for filing reports... I never did anything unusual with it, so I'm sure it'll show up again though. |
| 22:38.27 | cureless | caonex: that's why I underlined it for you. Now, when do you get this error? what distro are you running? |
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| 22:38.35 | gtigene | PerfDave: what should I read to figure out if I really need to recompile kernel when upgrading? |
| 22:38.36 | FieldySnuts | probably adminstrator error since no one else ran into it |
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| 22:38.52 | PerfDave | gtigene: Try a kernel-image package, and see what happens? :) |
| 22:39.03 | PerfDave | tcsetattr: If you can't afford downtime, you shouldn't be dist-upgrading on a live system without testing first. |
| 22:39.09 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 22:39.27 | caonex | cureless, ubuntu hoary, and before you say it i asked in the channel but nobody seems to know. |
| 22:39.38 | tcsetattr | I didn't even get to the dist-ugprade! This was caused by the recommended preparation steps |
| 22:39.41 | FieldySnuts | which does not make #debian the right place. |
| 22:39.44 | da4n1 | Seb: anything you can slap me in the face with here? 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV31 [GeForce FX 5600] (rev a1) |
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| 22:39.55 | cureless | caonex: we can't help you with ubuntu. This is the debian channel. |
| 22:40.07 | tarzeau | !UBUNTO |
| 22:40.07 | dpkg | from memory, ubunto is http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg or http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y#2005-06-07-ubuntu |
| 22:40.18 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 22:40.19 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 22:40.30 | FieldySnuts | i gotta remember that one |
| 22:40.31 | caonex | cureless, hmm, ok sorry, i guess nobody cant |
| 22:40.38 | PerfDave | Oh god, do we have another Ubuntu user who can't be helped by their shitwitted channel coming and confusing matters in #debian by asking non-Debian questions? |
| 22:40.54 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 22:40.56 | Seb | da4n1: go read the damn list of HW supported by xfree man |
| 22:41.03 | Guerin | PerfDave: you say it like it doesn't happen ten times an hour |
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| 22:41.31 | paulswm | Yes, but this one isn't arguing about it at least (so far) |
| 22:41.59 | monsoon-other | shingouz, I had to reboot after installing new kernel... now I cant get it up again :\ (duh) walk me through it one more time? |
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| 22:42.56 | cureless | caonex: this is one area where we definitely can't/won't help. Specially on segmentation faults in other distros. |
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| 22:43.02 | PerfDave | monsoon-other: If you can't get it up, check your e-mail. Somebody should be offering you something to help with your problem very shortly, via the magic of spam :) |
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| 22:43.15 | monsoon-other | hehe quite right |
| 22:43.24 | caonex | cureless, i just wanted to know what it means in general, even if someone was to get it in debian. |
| 22:43.35 | caonex | cureless, like unstable |
| 22:43.43 | FieldySnuts | get a clue, we're not going to help you. do we have to become assholes to get the point accross? |
| 22:43.45 | cureless | caonex: a segmentation fault normally means the program has a bug. |
| 22:43.50 | gpm | monsoon-other: what's the error message you get? |
| 22:44.08 | monsoon-other | gpm just ping timeout |
| 22:44.15 | monsoon-other | though it is connected to internet |
| 22:44.18 | caonex | cureless, so segmentation faulty tree there must be a problem with the var directory of apt, i guess |
| 22:44.21 | paulswm | caonex: A segmentation fault means that the program has crahsed trying to access out of bounds memory basically |
| 22:44.21 | monsoon-other | or not internet |
| 22:44.28 | monsoon-other | to network. but NOt to internet |
| 22:44.34 | cureless | caonex: no, it's a bug with the program you're using. |
| 22:44.40 | tarzeau | !INTERNET |
| 22:44.41 | dpkg | i guess internet is An internet is any set of interconnected networks. The Internet is the largest internet in the world. It is an extensive worldwide computer network made up of thousands of other, smaller business, academic, and government networks. http://www.advogato.org/proj/internet/ |
| 22:44.51 | gpm | ohhh, you mean you can't connect to it? |
| 22:44.57 | caonex | paulswm, cureless, i see thanks. |
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| 22:45.14 | paulswm | caonex: so go ask in #ubunt, if you don't get the support that you need with ubuntu, consider changing to a distro with better support. |
| 22:45.18 | cureless | caonex: unelss you screwed the data/program, in which case it was your fault. |
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| 22:45.25 | FieldySnuts | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 22:45.26 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
| 22:45.29 | sbk | this is an exim4 question rather than a debian one per-se. I'm trying to configure exim4 to essentially relay to a remote smtp server, using SSL + login password. I've looked at README.SMTP-AUTH. What I'm not sure about, is how to get it to talk SSL rather than send plaintext over tcp |
| 22:45.42 | tarzeau | hi abrotman |
| 22:45.50 | paulswm | !wb abrotman |
| 22:45.51 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
| 22:46.01 | gravity | caonex: Or just switch to Debian |
| 22:46.07 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: bibi |
| 22:46.12 | gravity | Sarge is out and it is Good |
| 22:46.24 | takatumi | \o/ |
| 22:46.25 | thingfish | I can't wait for my sarge CDs. |
| 22:46.46 | cureless | thingfish: you bought sarge cds? |
| 22:46.59 | gravity | Most of the very same developers who worked on ubuntu also worked on sarge |
| 22:47.08 | tarzeau | gravity: WRONG |
| 22:47.09 | thingfish | cureless: yes, from an ebay store guy. I'm on dialup. |
| 22:47.15 | tarzeau | gravity: not MOST |
| 22:47.24 | tarzeau | gravity: maybe 1 % |
| 22:47.25 | quittt | !doomsday |
| 22:47.25 | dpkg | it has been said that doomsday is a modification of Doom game to look better to today eyes |
| 22:47.29 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: the central people did. |
| 22:47.39 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: most and central is not the same |
| 22:47.40 | gravity | tarzeau: No, most all the Ubuntu Developers are Debian Developers |
| 22:47.41 | robin_sz | so ... woody ... when does that stop getting security updates?? |
| 22:47.41 | robin_sz | soon? |
| 22:47.41 | robin_sz | or years away? |
| 22:47.43 | gravity | tarzeau: Not the other way around |
| 22:47.53 | PerfDave | robin_sz: One year after release. |
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| 22:48.19 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: I didn't say most... |
| 22:48.20 | tarzeau | gravity: ahhh sorry |
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| 22:48.23 | Dr_O | !oldstable security |
| 22:48.23 | dpkg | oldstable security is, like, http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
| 22:48.25 | caonex | gravity, i love debian, but this ubuntu is for my dad who does not know much about linux and i wanted him to have something close to debian but that he could use, hehe |
| 22:48.30 | paulswm | It surprises me that ubuntu apparently has poor support on IRC. |
| 22:48.35 | gravity | caonex: Why can't he use Debian? |
| 22:48.49 | monsoon-other | gpm when trying to route add... Im getting SIOCADDRT: File exist can I remove that file to start over? |
| 22:48.54 | Phated | My mom uses Debian. |
| 22:48.57 | Phated | So neeer. |
| 22:49.05 | FieldySnuts | their users are frequently extreme cluebies, so it doesn't surprise me. what drives me nuts is they come here |
| 22:49.06 | tarzeau | Phated: my aunt too! |
| 22:49.07 | paulswm | !prize Phated's mom |
| 22:49.12 | paulswm | o.O |
| 22:49.20 | gravity | tarzeau: No problem :-) |
| 22:49.21 | dondelelcaro | monsoon-other: use route del; to delete the route. |
| 22:49.25 | Phated | paulswm: She beers. |
| 22:49.26 | caonex | gravity, i just thought it was not for him, he likes to do most of it graphically, you know like in other operating systems, but i want him to use linux. |
| 22:49.29 | tarzeau | gravity: i need sleep i guess |
| 22:49.29 | Phated | paulswm: Occasionally. |
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| 22:49.36 | gravity | tarzeau: It happens :-) |
| 22:49.38 | monsoon-other | thx dondelelcaro |
| 22:49.47 | tarzeau | spaetz: from which kantönli? |
| 22:49.55 | gravity | caonex: Are you going to be setting it up for him? |
| 22:49.57 | spaetz | tarzeau: St.Gallen |
| 22:50.02 | spaetz | :) |
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| 22:50.16 | takatumi | caonex: what can be done graphically in ubuntu that debian can't? |
| 22:50.20 | dondelelcaro | caonex: pretty much everything that is in ubuntu is also in Debian, so there's really no reason to pick one over the other. |
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| 22:50.33 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: I agree about their users, but you'd think that those who are involved with ubuntu might spend some time in channel to help out, and, judging by the frequent "they don't know" comments here, they don't seem to. |
| 22:50.39 | scar_ | theoretically, could it be a kernel, that makes ftp behaviour strange? |
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| 22:50.47 | FieldySnuts | yes there is. they can't support their distro over irc clearly, which is why them coming here is more annoying than knoppix users these days |
| 22:50.55 | monsoon-other | shingouz, there? |
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| 22:51.09 | caonex | dondelelcaro, well hold on debian has synaptic and all that now? i do not know becuase i always type everything in debian. |
| 22:51.11 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: that was really short be back later ;) but full ack |
| 22:51.24 | tarzeau | caonex: it had it for YEARS |
| 22:51.36 | FieldySnuts | oh no you have to type stuff. strewth! |
| 22:51.38 | takatumi | caonex: it is debian's synaptic. |
| 22:51.45 | gravity | Heh... "now" |
| 22:51.47 | Pred1 | i have a script and 1 can run it with #sh script.sh, but if i run it from cron with the same way, only the 1st line runs. what can be wrong? |
| 22:51.48 | caonex | tarzeau, i definetly being out of sync, i much rather do it in the console ;) |
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| 22:52.21 | resiak | caonex: Pretty much everything in Ubuntu is in Debian. (Aside from X.org and Gnome 2.10.) |
| 22:52.22 | caonex | takatumi, tarzeau you guys are right |
| 22:52.27 | tarzeau | Pred1: $PATH ? |
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| 22:52.38 | abrotman | heello tarzeau paulswm |
| 22:52.48 | dondelelcaro | gnome 2.10 is actually in Debian already |
| 22:52.51 | paulswm | !irritate abrotman |
| 22:52.51 | dpkg | abrotman: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd hello? |
| 22:52.56 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 22:52.59 | abrotman | !prise paulswm |
| 22:53.00 | gravity | sorta :-) |
| 22:53.08 | caonex | resiak, yeah |
| 22:53.10 | tarzeau | caonex: debian has more games! |
| 22:53.11 | abrotman | paulswm: he needs a better random number generator |
| 22:53.19 | abrotman | gravity: you should blame XSF |
| 22:53.20 | paulswm | Yes |
| 22:53.21 | caonex | tarzeau, hehe uhmm i know that for sure. |
| 22:53.28 | gravity | abrotman: All the time |
| 22:53.32 | resiak | dondelelcaro: It's in experimental. That doesn't count. :) |
| 22:53.35 | abrotman | gravity: or find damog! |
| 22:53.59 | tcsetattr | snmpwalk changed... |
| 22:54.12 | caonex | resiak, unstable does not have xorg or gnome 2.10? |
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| 22:54.19 | caonex | resiak, just wondering, not asking for it. |
| 22:54.30 | tarzeau | caonex: you know, there's packages.debian.org |
| 22:54.33 | caonex | resiak, i assume they are not secure enough to make it to debian ;) |
| 22:54.33 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Ubuntu users |
| 22:54.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu users: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 22:54.36 | tarzeau | caonex: it has a "find" button |
| 22:54.36 | takatumi | caonex: should be coming soon, now that sarge is out the door. |
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| 22:54.43 | resiak | caonex: No, stuff's just been frozen because of Sarge. |
| 22:54.47 | resiak | !topicsmite caonex |
| 22:54.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon caonex. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:55.13 | tarzeau | resiak: actually today more than 500 things got into testing again |
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| 22:55.31 | tarzeau | resiak: and sid, of course gets tons of new stuff too |
| 22:55.32 | dondelelcaro | !+info libgnomeui-0 |
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| 22:55.36 | dpkg | libgnomeui-0: (The GNOME 2 libraries (User Interface) - runtime files), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 323 kB, Installed size: 872 kB |
| 22:55.37 | caonex | wow i am humiliated |
| 22:55.38 | dondelelcaro | resiak: ^^^ |
| 22:55.52 | resiak | dondelelcaro: My bad, my mirror hasn't updated yet. |
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| 22:55.53 | Pred1 | tarzeau: ohh, thx |
| 22:55.58 | resiak | tarzeau, dondelelcaro: Woo! |
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| 22:56.02 | tarzeau | !thx |
| 22:56.02 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 22:56.10 | FieldySnuts | heh! |
| 22:56.19 | paulswm | gnome is b0rked in sid, right? I am nervously contemplating a testing dist-upgrade. |
| 22:56.24 | tarzeau | paulswm: yes |
| 22:56.25 | FieldySnuts | gnome is always borked |
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| 22:56.34 | tarzeau | paulswm: i'd remove all gnome before the dist-upgrade ;) |
| 22:56.37 | dondelelcaro | it's not borked, it just is missing some dependencies while they wait for NEW |
| 22:56.38 | paulswm | I like gnome. |
| 22:56.51 | tarzeau | paulswm: know what greycat says about gnome? |
| 22:56.52 | paulswm | tarzeau: gnome is n0rked in testing?? |
| 22:56.56 | dondelelcaro | just use aptitude and make sure you don't break your packages. |
| 22:56.59 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: no. |
| 22:57.07 | tarzeau | paulswm: if you ask me, it's also broken upstream and in stable |
| 22:57.12 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:57.19 | paulswm | !beat tarzeau |
| 22:57.23 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: no need to ask about facts |
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| 22:57.51 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i mean did you see the file selector? HILARIOUS |
| 22:57.57 | FieldySnuts | pfft |
| 22:58.02 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: so LOLZ, did they make it in ms paint? |
| 22:58.15 | FieldySnuts | ~start a wm war |
| 22:58.16 | apt | metacity bites! |
| 22:58.20 | FieldySnuts | nnk: please don't msg me I don't know you |
| 22:58.28 | FieldySnuts | nnk: since you did it again, ignored |
| 22:58.32 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: yes, I usually use command line aptitude first with -s and read very carefully :) |
| 22:58.42 | resiak | Oh, please stop with the bashing. |
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| 22:58.51 | FieldySnuts | !pacifier resiak |
| 22:58.55 | takatumi | !smitesmite resiak |
| 22:59.01 | resiak | We don't hurl abuse at GNUstep even though it's shite. ;-) |
| 22:59.10 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aussiesmite GNUstep |
| 22:59.11 | dpkg | GNUstep: yee bloody yank |
| 22:59.16 | tcsetattr | blargh. I can't figure out why snmpwalk doesn't work anymore. |
| 22:59.22 | guilhermee | where i can view the changes in new sid ? |
| 22:59.23 | dondelelcaro | yeesh. stop with the bot abuse already |
| 22:59.29 | dondelelcaro | guilhermee: it's changing all the time. |
| 22:59.34 | FieldySnuts | tcsetattr: target is on a LAN or WAN? |
| 22:59.36 | monsoon-other | uggh ok Im trying to connect to the internet through a network but cant, I can connect to the network, but not to the internet... though the windows machine can no errors, but just ping timeout |
| 22:59.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: why doesn't !literal work anymore ? |
| 22:59.39 | tarzeau | guilhermee: there's a mailinglist |
| 22:59.42 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it does. |
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| 22:59.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: not on commands |
| 22:59.54 | dondelelcaro | !literal cmd: pacifier (.*?) |
| 22:59.57 | abrotman | !literal prise (.*?) |
| 22:59.59 | dondelelcaro | or at least, it was. |
| 23:00.00 | FieldySnuts | there isn't a pacifier |
| 23:00.09 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: see .. i'm no liar! |
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| 23:00.16 | FieldySnuts | interesting |
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| 23:00.27 | guilhermee | to upgrade to sid (in 3.1r0): aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 23:00.28 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: neener! |
| 23:00.28 | dondelelcaro | !literal cmd: prise (.*?) |
| 23:00.28 | dpkg | CMD: prise (.*?) is ($1): <action>(blows $1 apart with a lightly oiled explosive|stops $1 from molesting that (sheep|goat|Welshman)|forcibly removes $1 from $1's keyboard) |
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| 23:00.37 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it helps if you format the literal right. |
| 23:00.43 | FieldySnuts | ahah Welshman |
| 23:00.46 | cureless | guilhermee: -u |
| 23:00.52 | paulswm | abrotman: I just did literal in a msg window, worked fine (on a cmd) |
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| 23:01.11 | takatumi | guilhermee: after changing sources.list |
| 23:01.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh jeez .. i'm sorry :) |
| 23:01.14 | guilhermee | cureless, aptitude -u dist-upgrade ? |
| 23:01.16 | FieldySnuts | sounds like a case of #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 23:01.20 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: I am that Welshman. |
| 23:01.39 | cureless | guilhermee: apt-get -u dist-upgrade will "show you the changes". |
| 23:01.44 | resiak | !iyhtays guilhermee |
| 23:01.45 | dpkg | guilhermee: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 23:01.59 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Oh, nnk /msg'd you too? |
| 23:02.01 | mortalman | Why when I do: rm -d mydir do I get: rm: cannot unlink 'mydir': is a directory?? Isn't that what the -d option is for? |
| 23:02.09 | resiak | mortalman: man rmdir, man rm |
| 23:02.12 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: yes, twice |
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| 23:02.52 | mortalman | resiak: rmdir will not remove a non-empty directory. |
| 23:02.56 | tcsetattr | rm -d is a relic of a mostly forgotten era |
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| 23:03.01 | hmmm | anyone know which directory fonts.alias for a font i installed should go under? |
| 23:03.04 | resiak | mortalman: man rm |
| 23:03.35 | mortalman | resiak: did, same result as rm --help |
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| 23:03.42 | mortalman | Which is why I asked here. |
| 23:03.49 | abrotman | man rm |
| 23:03.51 | FieldySnuts | incorrect. |
| 23:03.51 | abrotman | it will tell you how |
| 23:04.01 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: which is |
| 23:04.04 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:04.06 | FieldySnuts | what he said |
| 23:04.13 | resiak | mortalman: Look at -r. READ THE PAGE. |
| 23:04.45 | mortalman | yeah, goofed and double checked rmdir instead of rm. doh. |
| 23:05.00 | FieldySnuts | I am not drunk. |
| 23:05.04 | Daurnimator | Does anyone know of servers other than debian to download sarge r0a images? |
| 23:05.16 | Ugly_Duck | Hmm.... i have the AC76 sound modules loaded, but i have no sound |
| 23:05.22 | monsoon-other | could someone assist me with that issue please? |
| 23:05.34 | FieldySnuts | what issue would that be (don't feel like scrolling) |
| 23:05.35 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you never are |
| 23:05.40 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: bull |
| 23:05.47 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you're asking .. someone to .. gasp .. repeat ? :) |
| 23:05.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: not in #debian ... are you ? |
| 23:05.57 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: sorry, repeat that? |
| 23:06.04 | tcsetattr | I think when people make incompatible changes to the command line syntax of a tool, they should change the name of the tool, so scripts using the old syntax don't blow up ... |
| 23:06.06 | thingfish | I'm not drunk but I will be if I finish this G&T. |
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| 23:06.18 | paulswm | !what's really annoying |
| 23:06.18 | dpkg | repeating |
| 23:06.27 | FieldySnuts | tcsetattr: it's part of a unix-like os. things change. edit the scripts, big deal |
| 23:06.32 | MobyTurbo | !what's really annoying |
| 23:06.33 | dpkg | repeating |
| 23:06.35 | simonrvn | monsoon-other: sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 23:06.36 | MobyTurbo | !what's really annoying |
| 23:06.42 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: what does paulswm pay you for? |
| 23:06.43 | dpkg | often paulswm insists on genital shaving, fieldysnuts, but I've really had enough... |
| 23:06.44 | resiak | !fruitsmite MobyTurbo |
| 23:06.48 | simonrvn | !irritate MobyTurbo |
| 23:06.49 | dpkg | MobyTurbo: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound hello? |
| 23:06.50 | Daurnimator | !what's really annoying |
| 23:06.50 | dpkg | repeating |
| 23:06.56 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: heh |
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| 23:07.03 | paulswm | !singlishsmite FieldySnuts |
| 23:07.03 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
| 23:07.07 | cbr | RTFM - Repeat The First Message |
| 23:07.21 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite paulswm |
| 23:07.21 | ravenbird | paulswm: cheerio mate |
| 23:07.21 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i meant .. you don't frequent #debian while intoxicated do you ? |
| 23:07.33 | simonrvn | i have =) |
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| 23:07.47 | Daurnimator | Does anyone know of servers other than debian to download sarge r0a images from? |
| 23:07.49 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: I do but i'm too goofed up to type |
| 23:07.52 | monsoon-other | simonrvn, what does that do? |
| 23:07.53 | Daurnimator | I would like one please... |
| 23:07.53 | simonrvn | under varying alkaloids and hormones |
| 23:07.57 | abisen | hi could somebody help me by telling me that where should i set the environment variable such that my cgi's running of apache see's the environment variable |
| 23:07.59 | abrotman | Daurnimator: Bittorrent |
| 23:08.00 | FieldySnuts | hey. |
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| 23:08.09 | thingfish | abrotman: bourbon and what? |
| 23:08.11 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i've tried a few times .. but wow .. |
| 23:08.15 | FieldySnuts | abisen: probably better to ask #apache |
| 23:08.16 | Ugly_Duck | hehehe... its working, xmms was using oss but not uses alsa |
| 23:08.16 | abrotman | thingfish: you're not htat young are you ? |
| 23:08.19 | simonrvn | mono: set that on your linux router to enable packet forwarding. |
| 23:08.23 | simonrvn | mono: sorry |
| 23:08.26 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's just not a good idea |
| 23:08.27 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:08.28 | thingfish | abrotman: no, I'm kind of old. |
| 23:08.29 | simonrvn | monsoon-other: set that on your linux router to enable packet forwarding. |
| 23:08.33 | Daurnimator | isp jas blocked bit-torrent and jigdo doesn't work proper like |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | thingfish: B&J? .. two guys ? .. on a porch ? |
| 23:08.43 | simonrvn | not our problem |
| 23:08.44 | FieldySnuts | switch isps then, that's lame as shit. |
| 23:08.54 | thingfish | abrotman: oh lord, I'd forgotton about those two. |
| 23:08.59 | FieldySnuts | which isp is this? i'll be sure to not give them business |
| 23:08.59 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:09.00 | abrotman | linuxiso.org maybe ? |
| 23:09.10 | Daurnimator | i don't need bt - except in this case |
| 23:09.16 | monsoon-other | shingouz, hrrmm didnt work |
| 23:09.25 | abrotman | cute .. it's out of date |
| 23:09.38 | FieldySnuts | my point is an isp isn't really providing a service if they block you from doing things. lamers. |
| 23:09.38 | simonrvn | they probably block anything going in to a potential daemon too... fucking lame |
| 23:09.45 | simonrvn | bingo |
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| 23:09.51 | FieldySnuts | !fuck windows users running "servers" |
| 23:09.53 | abrotman | Daurnimator: CD ok ? |
| 23:10.02 | abrotman | Daurnimator: and which architecture ? |
| 23:10.08 | Daurnimator | otherwise i've got a wicked deal |
| 23:10.11 | Daurnimator | i386 |
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| 23:10.23 | simonrvn | woops |
| 23:10.30 | FieldySnuts | hhe |
| 23:10.31 | shingouz | monsoon-other: what kernel you on? |
| 23:10.32 | abrotman | Daurnimator: http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/jigdo-cd/ .. yay internet2 :) |
| 23:10.34 | simonrvn | windows servers is an oxymoron |
| 23:10.38 | FieldySnuts | yes. big time. |
| 23:10.42 | abrotman | not really |
| 23:10.43 | FieldySnuts | as is windows administrator |
| 23:10.44 | monsoon-other | shingouz, 2.6.11 |
| 23:10.46 | abrotman | secure windows servers is |
| 23:10.48 | nigma | eh |
| 23:10.51 | simonrvn | fucking xchat sucked up my ^w |
| 23:10.54 | nigma | none of you ran MSSQL |
| 23:10.55 | shingouz | monsoon-other: debian or custom? |
| 23:10.55 | abrotman | Daurnimator: work ok ? |
| 23:11.02 | monsoon-other | shingouz, debian still |
| 23:11.03 | nigma | n00bish retards |
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| 23:11.09 | Daurnimator | just checking |
| 23:11.10 | abrotman | wtf ? |
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| 23:11.13 | abrotman | mssql ? |
| 23:11.19 | abrotman | what the hell was that ? |
| 23:11.25 | abrotman | stupid comcast retards |
| 23:11.26 | shingouz | monsoon-other: ok, does the ifconfig do anything? |
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| 23:11.33 | shingouz | and hi abrotman |
| 23:11.35 | simonrvn | nigma: hey 75%+ of the net was affected by that M$SQL exploit |
| 23:11.36 | abrotman | shingouz: hey |
| 23:11.37 | Daurnimator | ...i needed r0a |
| 23:11.42 | simonrvn | dumb fuck |
| 23:11.49 | monsoon-other | shingouz, it shows me eth0 and lo are up |
| 23:12.02 | abrotman | simonrvn: we were hosting a server that i didn't have access too .. bastard got that worm . i got a call sunday morning |
| 23:12.09 | abrotman | Daurnimator: there's only a one file difference |
| 23:12.10 | shingouz | monsoon-other: is the ip for eth0 192.168.0.199? |
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| 23:12.28 | monsoon-other | shingouz, yes it is |
| 23:12.32 | simonrvn | fuck, was it 50% of the *.root-server.net that got knocked over because of that thing? FFS |
| 23:12.37 | simonrvn | servers* |
| 23:12.43 | shingouz | monsoon-other: ok, ping 192.168.0.2 |
| 23:12.57 | abrotman | Daurnimator: what's wrong with the debian server ? |
| 23:12.58 | simonrvn | fucking POS - M$hit should get sued over that |
| 23:13.00 | Daurnimator | i've started downloading r0a + i want to install debian on a couple of pooters so i don't want to have to change the sources file |
| 23:13.05 | j4cbo | how can i reduce the numbert of processes apache2 spawns? it's doing like 50 now which is absurd |
| 23:13.22 | shingouz | monsoon-other: gimme a couple, brb |
| 23:13.25 | abrotman | Daurnimator: so what's worng with the cdimage.debian.org server ? |
| 23:13.26 | simonrvn | for doing a disservice to humanity, and continuing to do so with their BS |
| 23:13.29 | Daurnimator | the debian server is clogged up - i've got dvd 1 downloading |
| 23:13.41 | abrotman | dvd1 ? |
| 23:13.42 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:13.47 | abrotman | use the netinst :) |
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| 23:13.59 | simonrvn | dude, get the small one... |
| 23:14.03 | Daurnimator | but i when i try to get dvd 2 it replies with too many connections from your computer |
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| 23:14.11 | simonrvn | oh </rant> |
| 23:14.14 | sussudio | !fuck Daurnimator |
| 23:14.22 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 23:14.49 | j4cbo | i looked in apache2.conf but all the sections of that have a max of 10ish |
| 23:14.57 | abrotman | Daurnimator: what's wrong with jigdo again? |
| 23:15.00 | FieldySnuts | ask #apache damnit |
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| 23:15.13 | shingouz | monsoon-other: back |
| 23:15.17 | kodek | pack: remember me? |
| 23:15.18 | Daurnimator | maximum of 4 allowed, and i'm using a download accelertor |
| 23:15.21 | kodek | pack: from this morning. |
| 23:15.22 | monsoon-other | hi shingouz |
| 23:15.24 | simonrvn | next time i'll rant on my blog. |
| 23:15.26 | FieldySnuts | then don't use it. |
| 23:15.59 | Nurbs_ | ist experimental's apt supposed to go into unstable anytime soon? |
| 23:16.06 | kodek | hi peeps, do any of you know if pack is here? |
| 23:16.08 | abrotman | Daurnimator: what country are you in ? |
| 23:16.12 | shingouz | monsoon-other: ping 192.168.0.2, does it work? |
| 23:16.12 | FieldySnuts | !seen pack |
| 23:16.14 | dpkg | pack is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 135 messages. Is idling for 3h 28m 51s |
| 23:16.16 | Daurnimator | australia |
| 23:16.19 | simonrvn | Daurnimator: "download accelerators" don't. they abuse the server, and open several connections at once. they're crap |
| 23:16.33 | kodek | so he's not. |
| 23:16.40 | simonrvn | it's a goddamned lie that they accelerate anything. |
| 23:16.42 | monsoon-other | shingouz, yah |
| 23:16.46 | FieldySnuts | kodek: you're smart |
| 23:16.51 | kodek | :D |
| 23:16.54 | shingouz | monsoon-other: ping 130.232.1.1 |
| 23:17.13 | Daurnimator | compared to normal it is about 5 times faster |
| 23:17.19 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: well they do if each connection is limited, and allows more than one connection... but then you're overriding the wishes of the admin which is abuse |
| 23:17.20 | kelan | they accelerate the NET |
| 23:17.21 | simonrvn | Daurnimator: yeh, and if i catch you using one on any server i admin, i'll fucking null route |
| 23:17.25 | FieldySnuts | @troll Daurnimator |
| 23:17.29 | monsoon-other | shingouz, I get connect: Netwok is unreachable |
| 23:17.32 | kodek | what's a good hardware channel? or could i just ask here? |
| 23:17.34 | simonrvn | ..you |
| 23:17.43 | paulswm | !prize simonrvn |
| 23:17.46 | shingouz | Daurnimator: using an "accelerator" is what asshats do |
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| 23:18.04 | rvirani | hey dudes, I installed the latest debian stable 3.1r0 on my laptop |
| 23:18.04 | FieldySnuts | i thought it was assclown, but okay |
| 23:18.10 | shingouz | monsoon-other: route add default gw 192.168.0.2 eth0 |
| 23:18.11 | Daurnimator | well anyway it allows me to pause it... |
| 23:18.20 | thingfish | you likey, rvirani? |
| 23:18.21 | rvirani | it didnt pickup my WPC11 that every other linux distro I have ever tried picks up |
| 23:18.25 | rvirani | \what do I do |
| 23:18.30 | abrotman | Daurnimator: i only found one mirror with the images |
| 23:18.30 | TuX^ | What distro is better? Fedora or Debian? |
| 23:18.31 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: i have heard canadians use the term asshat :) |
| 23:18.33 | rvirani | I dont have network connectivity or a CDROM drive |
| 23:18.39 | shingouz | TuX^: you serious? |
| 23:18.42 | FieldySnuts | tell us what a WPC11 is first, then maybe get real hardware |
| 23:18.43 | TuX^ | yeah |
| 23:18.48 | thingfish | aack TuX^ , fc is a mess. |
| 23:18.52 | shingouz | !clue TuX^ |
| 23:18.58 | kelan | the questions that get asked in this channel are priceless |
| 23:19.02 | FieldySnuts | kelan: no shit |
| 23:19.05 | TuX^ | lol |
| 23:19.05 | shingouz | kelan: amen on that |
| 23:19.08 | monsoon-other | shingouz, I can ping 130...etc but not google |
| 23:19.11 | FieldySnuts | fc is rpm based. enough said. |
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| 23:19.21 | caonex | resiak, so debian will stick with xfree86 becuase of the difference in license between x.org and itself? |
| 23:19.23 | rvirani | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:19.28 | shingouz | monsoon-other: that is ok, lets hack the resolv.conf next |
| 23:19.33 | shingouz | !any ideas |
| 23:19.33 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 23:19.35 | takatumi | rvirani: is it a prism based card? |
| 23:19.38 | rvirani | as to why debian cant see my pcmcia wifi card |
| 23:19.43 | rvirani | it works on ever other distro |
| 23:19.46 | FieldySnuts | rvirani: yes, i tried, but you aren't listening so shrug |
| 23:19.49 | monsoon-other | shingouz, ok |
| 23:19.54 | rvirani | takatumi: nope, its a orinoco |
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| 23:20.01 | rvirani | WPC11 Is a linksys card |
| 23:20.03 | shingouz | monsoon-other: do you know the addresses to your DNS? |
| 23:20.05 | webuadata | Hey can anyone help me |
| 23:20.11 | Daurnimator | ok, so there are no others servers besides cdimage.debian |
| 23:20.21 | simonrvn | webuadata: just ask, read the /topic |
| 23:20.21 | FieldySnuts | maybe debian doesn't support it, most of those "wifi" cards require closed source firmware to be loaded every time to them, quite non-debian |
| 23:20.23 | shingouz | rvirani: orinoco_cs for an orinoco |
| 23:20.23 | monsoon-other | shingouz, umm no, could I look it up on the windows machine? |
| 23:20.30 | shingouz | monsoon-other: i think so |
| 23:20.39 | webuadata | Ok, i installed debian and im at the promt how do i get a desktop |
| 23:20.45 | rvirani | shingouz: well the modules dont even exist in the kernel were tho\e \\\\\~ |
| 23:20.48 | rvirani | other driver sare |
| 23:20.56 | abrotman | Daurnimator: there are plenty |
| 23:20.56 | simonrvn | webuadata: install x and a wm |
| 23:20.58 | monsoon-other | shingouz, ok got it its 192.168.0.3 |
| 23:21.03 | rvirani | stupid new keyboard |
| 23:21.05 | shingouz | rvirani: so what card is it? |
| 23:21.07 | abrotman | Daurnimator: i found three or four .. but none in .au |
| 23:21.10 | webuadata | Sunibrvn: would you mind a PM? |
| 23:21.10 | simonrvn | !faq webuadata |
| 23:21.11 | dpkg | webuadata: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:21.16 | abrotman | no .. no PM!!!!!! |
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| 23:21.32 | Daurnimator | i don't care the country |
| 23:21.33 | kodek | i just installed a new mobo/cpu/psu in my computer, and i keep getting weird errors such as: no 2nd hard drive being detected, weird symbols in the bios setup, winxp install crashes because of "corrupt" files, dvd-rom drive not working properly, etc.. what could all this be? |
| 23:21.33 | abrotman | anyone think we should add the wiki.debian.net wiki to the wiki factoid ? |
| 23:21.34 | monsoon-other | shingouz, ok its working now! had to change resolve.conf dns |
| 23:21.38 | shingouz | monsoon-other: open /etc/resolv.conf with your favorite editor and input one line there: 'nameserver 192.168.0.3' |
| 23:21.40 | whiskers | how do i install a .deb file? |
| 23:21.41 | rvirani | Linksys 802.11b Wireless PCMCIA card |
| 23:21.42 | kelan | rvirani: tldp has a wpc11 mini-howto that specifically talks about debian. was it no help? |
| 23:21.44 | shingouz | monsoon-other: as i said |
| 23:21.46 | TuX^ | so why is Deabian better than fedora core?, please some one who can tell? |
| 23:21.53 | abrotman | Daurnimator: there's a whole list of mirrors here http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
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| 23:21.56 | resiak | caonex: No. /msg dpkg xorg |
| 23:21.57 | shingouz | rvirani: do you know the chipset on it? |
| 23:21.58 | abrotman | Daurnimator: try to find one near you |
| 23:21.59 | simonrvn | why do you have bad grammar? |
| 23:21.59 | monsoon-other | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.03 | rvirani | kelan: well I should have the drivers for it on the install by default but I guess they are not there |
| 23:22.05 | abrotman | !tell TuX^ about why debian |
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| 23:22.10 | shingouz | TuX^: wtf? are you trying to troll? |
| 23:22.13 | rvirani | I dont have network or CDROM to get them |
| 23:22.16 | rvirani | what do I do? |
| 23:22.16 | FieldySnuts | TuX^: it's extremely obvious, if you don't know you can't possibly understand anyway |
| 23:22.16 | cnelson | rviarani: wpc11 isn't orinco |
| 23:22.24 | Daurnimator | i've been though have of those |
| 23:22.26 | abrotman | Daurnimator: the closest i found to you was in taiwan |
| 23:22.28 | webuadata | I don't know what to do im so confused, what do i type to install a desktop. |
| 23:22.33 | rvirani | cnelson: depends on ... version |
| 23:22.36 | Daurnimator | which taiwan |
| 23:22.39 | kelan | rvirani: do you have anything else like a usb thumbdrive? |
| 23:22.39 | Daurnimator | ? |
| 23:22.41 | takatumi | rvirani: the 2.6 kernel has the orinoco* modules, not sure about 2.4, else try hostap-source |
| 23:22.44 | simonrvn | webuadata: go read the FAQ at the URI the bot told you |
| 23:22.49 | rvirani | kelan: yeahp |
| 23:22.51 | rvirani | I do |
| 23:22.57 | whiskers | I downloaed a debian package but i dont know how to install it |
| 23:23.00 | abrotman | Daurnimator: i don't remeber .. there's only 5 of them .. shouldn't be too hard to look |
| 23:23.01 | rvirani | whats hostap-source |
| 23:23.03 | shingouz | rvirani: do you have a clue on the chipset on the damned card? |
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| 23:23.08 | TuX^ | i dont fucking know and i want to learn, so i ask you guys who seem to know a lot about it, so could you just explain why? |
| 23:23.09 | simonrvn | "which taiwan"? there's only one taiwan.... |
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| 23:23.14 | takatumi | rvirani: my linksys wpc11 v3 is a prism chip |
| 23:23.15 | caonex | resiak, ok so eventually everything will be x.org, thanks |
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| 23:23.16 | rvirani | orinoco |
| 23:23.19 | abrotman | Daurnimator: but always start with the official debian mirrors when searching for that stuff |
| 23:23.20 | rvirani | oh |
| 23:23.22 | rvirani | hrm |
| 23:23.24 | simonrvn | TuX^: read what the bot told you |
| 23:23.26 | Daurnimator | the things is i've been through them 3 hours ago |
| 23:23.27 | AigleDor | i have just finished installing debian(sarge) for the first. now i want to install fluxbox, but i have only cd1 and no connection. what to do? |
| 23:23.29 | rvirani | Im probably thinking of my old card then... |
| 23:23.29 | rvirani | nm |
| 23:23.32 | shingouz | TuX^: this is #debian so we obviously tell you that debian is the way to go |
| 23:23.33 | rvirani | k so its prism |
| 23:23.34 | shingouz | fuck |
| 23:23.36 | rvirani | so what do I do |
| 23:23.39 | ethics | kodek: that sounds like a hardware thing mate... |
| 23:23.46 | simonrvn | !rube goldberg install |
| 23:23.46 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 23:23.56 | abrotman | TuX^: dpkg should have given you a few urls to start your reading .. the most obvious is that fedora is rpm based and debian is deb based |
| 23:24.06 | thingfish | TuX^: I switched from fedora to debian because I was tired of the constant dealing with bugs with fedora. On my system, Debian "just works". |
| 23:24.07 | resiak | AigleDor: You get another CD? |
| 23:24.08 | shingouz | rvirani: i do not know, i just need to know what the frigging chipset is on the card you *have* not the one you used to have in 1065 |
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| 23:24.12 | cnelson | rvirani: make sure you have hotplug package and insert the card ... |
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| 23:24.17 | takatumi | rvirani: use module-assistant to compile the hostap modules. |
| 23:24.28 | rvirani | hotplug package k |
| 23:24.30 | kodek | ethics: this probably isnt the best channel to ask for hardware advice, but it's the only channel i know with smart people. i dont want to go to gamesurge.net :/ |
| 23:24.38 | simonrvn | all this info at their fingertips, and people still don't get it |
| 23:24.38 | TuX^ | thanks you guys |
| 23:24.40 | rvirani | takatumi: what is a hostap module? |
| 23:24.43 | TuX^ | sorry for disturbing |
| 23:24.45 | TuX^ | anyway |
| 23:24.49 | shingouz | rvirani: if it really is a prism2 or orinoco chipset you can use the orinoco-cs for it |
| 23:24.56 | AigleDor | resiak> i don't know which one to get |
| 23:24.56 | rvirani | k |
| 23:25.00 | One | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.01 | shingouz | rvirani: another version of wlan drivers |
| 23:25.01 | takatumi | shingouz: that module sucks. |
| 23:25.02 | rvirani | well the modules dont exist on my box |
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| 23:25.08 | shingouz | takatumi: no it does not |
| 23:25.12 | Empty | TuX^, perhaps a better approach would be read then ask, hrm? Professors in classes would mock you for asking questions clearly answered in the textbook, and you'd be paying *them* to do it ;) |
| 23:25.23 | simonrvn | abrotman: lack of drive space? |
| 23:25.27 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Becuase there already is one? |
| 23:25.28 | Phated | abrotman: Hardly worth it. |
| 23:25.29 | FieldySnuts | <ot> yikes. a tornado hurled this into a wall http://www.crh.noaa.gov/top/DSC01333.gif |
| 23:25.32 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Three. |
| 23:25.32 | resiak | AigleDor: packages.debian.org -- just get the packages. |
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| 23:25.36 | takatumi | shingouz: it does for my card, works but crappy performance, hostap is bliss. |
| 23:25.37 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: not at http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 23:25.39 | simonrvn | Empty: fuck yeh |
| 23:25.42 | cnelson | rvirani: yeah -- i just put my old card in and i'm using orinoco ... |
| 23:25.45 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: no cdimage mirror i guess |
| 23:25.51 | daft | how can i route all trafic from one side of a ethernet brige to the other side? |
| 23:25.52 | FieldySnuts | Empty: what, LOGIC here? haha. |
| 23:25.52 | shingouz | takatumi: but hostap on orinoco does not rfmon |
| 23:25.59 | rvirani | alright well I dont have the modules so what do I do? |
| 23:26.01 | AigleDor | resiak> what to do after? |
| 23:26.05 | rvirani | shouldnt they be installed by default |
| 23:26.07 | abrotman | and i really wish comcast would setup a linux mirror host |
| 23:26.09 | resiak | AigleDor: dpkg -i packagefu.deb |
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| 23:26.30 | FieldySnuts | comcast isn't exactly linux friendly, you will catch resistance if you tell them you us it |
| 23:26.33 | takatumi | rvirani: what iso did you install from? |
| 23:26.35 | AigleDor | resiak> dependecies? |
| 23:26.39 | Empty | FieldySnuts, OMFGWTFBBQ it says boot but all i hae is a shoe OMG what do i do hlp hlp kthx |
| 23:26.39 | resiak | AigleDor: Get them as well? |
| 23:26.41 | shingouz | rvirani: i find it impossible that you do not have them. do you have the pcmcia loaded in the forst place? yenta, that is |
| 23:26.42 | Daurnimator | abrotman: http://debian.linux.org.tw/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/ is empty |
| 23:26.47 | thingfish | TuX^: plus fedora just serves as a testbed for rhel, a for-profit product. Debian is completely free, keeping in the spirit of the founders of free software. |
| 23:26.52 | FieldySnuts | which is ironic, becuase it's owned windows hosts which do far more damage to their networks |
| 23:26.53 | ethics | kodek: yeah at a guess if your getting glyphs etc in bios screens etc you probably have a major hardware fault...xp crashing on install impies it's shagged hardware also so id be grabbing the system and taking it in to the place you got it from and asking them to swap the ram/check the issue....they can swap boards etc to trial and error the fault |
| 23:26.57 | shingouz | paulswm: have fun |
| 23:27.00 | rvirani | takatumi: installed of a nother machine |
| 23:27.04 | AigleDor | resiak> put them in the same folder? |
| 23:27.05 | cnelson | rvirani: what kernel package are you running? |
| 23:27.11 | rvirani | shingouz: I installed pcmcia-cs |
| 23:27.13 | resiak | AigleDor: No, install them too? |
| 23:27.13 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Empty |
| 23:27.13 | simonrvn | any large ISP will be a bitch when it comes to something they consider non-standard (read: not os x or winbloze) |
| 23:27.14 | dpkg | Empty: wenas who uses kde lol |
| 23:27.15 | rvirani | cnelson: dont know the machine is at home |
| 23:27.16 | resiak | AigleDor: man dpkg |
| 23:27.16 | webuadata | I need extensive help i don't understnad what teh FAQ |
| 23:27.20 | shingouz | rvirani: uname -a |
| 23:27.23 | paulswm | shingouz: What, more fun than here? :D |
| 23:27.23 | rvirani | I will resume form there |
| 23:27.31 | rvirani | shingouz: listen I sad the machine is at home |
| 23:27.31 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite webuadata |
| 23:27.37 | abrotman | Daurnimator: there is more than one . i told you i didn't remember which one it was |
| 23:27.37 | rvirani | I will go home and resume this conversation. |
| 23:27.40 | Empty | dpkg, I love you |
| 23:27.40 | dpkg | The feeling's not mutual |
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| 23:27.40 | shingouz | paulswm: naaahh... not really, just a bit more quiet |
| 23:27.44 | FieldySnuts | resiak: haha |
| 23:27.45 | webuadata | I need extensive help i don't understand what the FAQ's are telling me |
| 23:27.50 | webuadata | What resiak? |
| 23:27.52 | thingfish | TuX^: plus, only men with small penises like fedora. |
| 23:27.54 | kodek | ethics: this is a system im building on my own. the ram is from an older machine, but it's being tested right now, and it has no problems. the rest of the hardware works fine too. |
| 23:27.56 | resiak | webuadata: Help with WHAT? |
| 23:27.57 | simonrvn | webuadata: then you read slowly |
| 23:27.59 | abrotman | help with what ? |
| 23:28.00 | shingouz | rvirani: and how the hell do you expect me to figure out wtf is wrong with it then? |
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| 23:28.03 | FieldySnuts | @annoy webuadata |
| 23:28.03 | ravenbird | webuadata: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 23:28.05 | webuadata | Installing the desktop |
| 23:28.11 | resiak | !faq webuadata |
| 23:28.12 | dpkg | webuadata: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:28.13 | resiak | # AND READ IT! |
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| 23:28.16 | simonrvn | -webuadata- VERSION mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 23:28.19 | abrotman | webuadata: which desktop ? |
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| 23:28.21 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: big surprise |
| 23:28.27 | abrotman | and stop using windows |
| 23:28.28 | webuadata | I don't even know |
| 23:28.31 | paulswm | shingouz: dinner and TV, certainly quieter, even if I turn up the volume:) You stay safe. |
| 23:28.33 | markl_ | so does anyone here play World of Warcraft on Debian with the standard Wine? |
| 23:28.37 | webuadata | I just switched from windows to this. |
| 23:28.40 | abrotman | webuadata: apt-get install gdm gnome x-window-system |
| 23:28.44 | abrotman | webuadata: you're still using windows |
| 23:28.45 | shingouz | paulswm: i try not to lart too manmy people tonight |
| 23:28.47 | markl_ | google didn't really find any howtos or anything |
| 23:28.53 | simonrvn | oh yeh, so explain mirc as a client |
| 23:28.55 | webuadata | this is a seprate computer |
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| 23:29.04 | abrotman | webuadata: apt-get install gdm gnome x-window-system |
| 23:29.12 | webuadata | is that what i type in the prompt. |
| 23:29.13 | shingouz | mIRC is not a client, it is a fucking virus |
| 23:29.22 | _zoidberg_ | hi |
| 23:29.23 | abrotman | webuadata: as root .. |
| 23:29.25 | simonrvn | @shingouz++ |
| 23:29.33 | shingouz | simonrvn: thanks :) |
| 23:29.39 | webuadata | so i login as root, and then type that. |
| 23:29.47 | Empty | simonrvn, he's totally lost but he is on mIRC running under wine in Fedora which is under VMware |
| 23:30.00 | simonrvn | Empty: hehe |
| 23:30.02 | shingouz | Empty: no flucking way? |
| 23:30.02 | kelan | mirc with wine, thats how! |
| 23:30.08 | shingouz | jfc.. |
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| 23:30.17 | webuadata | abrotman |
| 23:30.24 | shingouz | !clue webuadata |
| 23:30.26 | abrotman | webuadata: yes |
| 23:30.28 | simonrvn | that's his nick, don't abuse it |
| 23:30.29 | markl_ | that's a lotta emulation |
| 23:30.41 | _zoidberg_ | try charzilla, a firefox extension, i´m using ir rigth now |
| 23:31.02 | FieldySnuts | the 24 hour Moron Quota has been met in #debian. The problem is it was met in 3 hours. |
| 23:31.07 | shingouz | _zoidberg_: and it shows, lose the leading punctuation |
| 23:31.11 | Empty | markl_, yeah, you are running an os with an emulation of a less-great OS emulating an illusion of an OS so you can run shite |
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| 23:31.24 | webuadata | abrotman: is that a yes to the question (do i tpye that in prompt as logged in root)? |
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| 23:31.25 | FieldySnuts | !nickometer _zoidberg_ |
| 23:31.25 | dpkg | '_zoidberg_' is 14.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
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| 23:31.35 | shingouz | !FieldySnuts++ |
| 23:31.36 | abrotman | webuadata: yes yes |
| 23:31.39 | ethics | kodek: weird symbols in the bios setup....thats hardware only at that poing....therefore working fine is incorrect |
| 23:31.41 | shivraj | hey my webserver uses RedHat, anyone know what RPM I need to use to install emacs ? |
| 23:31.42 | webuadata | thankyou brb |
| 23:31.42 | epod69 | where is the rcfile for the sh shell |
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| 23:31.58 | abrotman | Daurnimator: find it ? |
| 23:32.01 | Empty | shivraj, yes someone does... someone in #redhat |
| 23:32.06 | shingouz | shivraj: are you sure you are on the correct channel? |
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| 23:32.14 | Daurnimator | not yet |
| 23:32.22 | kodek | ethics: it only happened once, but once was enough for me to freak out. also, at first, i had no video nor a beep. i thought itwas a short on the mobo, so i dissassembled the pc, and now that seems to be ok |
| 23:32.26 | abrotman | Daurnimator: http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/Linux/Debian/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 23:32.35 | Daurnimator | i've found 2 with empty folders |
| 23:32.40 | abrotman | Daurnimator: you wanted CD right ? |
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| 23:32.46 | Empty | shivraj, alternately, come over to my office and take a look in the Mark II |
| 23:32.46 | shingouz | directories, not folders ffs |
| 23:32.51 | Daurnimator | dvd |
| 23:33.08 | abrotman | Daurnimator: i was looking for CD .. sorry |
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| 23:33.19 | Daurnimator | oh well... |
| 23:33.34 | ethics | kodek, ahh i c well if youve reseated everything and its working better then you may have more luck now but so you are aware if it crashes again swap the PSU out again for a few and make sure it's not just low voltage to videocard etc... |
| 23:33.41 | abrotman | Daurnimator: http://debian.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ ? |
| 23:33.54 | abrotman | Daurnimator: though .. doesn't look fully synced yet |
| 23:33.54 | FieldySnuts | huzzah! |
| 23:34.01 | shingouz | ? |
| 23:34.11 | nse | did etch reveive any upgrades today? |
| 23:34.17 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 23:34.21 | abrotman | nse: you can talk again ... |
| 23:34.21 | Daurnimator | i wish it was on pacific... |
| 23:34.23 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: been reading too much over the hedge lately? |
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| 23:34.32 | shivraj | thank god, the webserver has nano (the same editor that Linus Torvalds uses- talk about leetneesss) |
| 23:34.35 | kodek | ethics: the psu is the one that came with my new case, it's got 420W |
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| 23:34.47 | Daurnimator | well of planet mirror the file are there, the sizes aren't |
| 23:34.51 | nse | abrotman: yes I can! everything is ok now.. :) |
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| 23:34.56 | FieldySnuts | lots of PSU's that come with cases are no-branders and crap |
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| 23:35.01 | kodek | ethics: i went to one of those wattage calculator websites, and it said i should be more than fine with the hardware that was hooked up when i tested it. |
| 23:35.01 | abrotman | Daurnimator: so wait .. it will sync eventually |
| 23:35.02 | jshoenberger | Random questions, anyone else think Argentinians smell funny? |
| 23:35.13 | FieldySnuts | @troll jshoenberger |
| 23:35.17 | jshoenberger | rofl |
| 23:35.18 | abrotman | jshoenberger: knock it off |
| 23:35.20 | kodek | jshoenberger: shut up |
| 23:35.22 | jshoenberger | hahahaha |
| 23:35.25 | jshoenberger | hiya Hernan |
| 23:35.26 | jshoenberger | :D |
| 23:35.28 | kodek | jshoenberger: get off my server |
| 23:35.29 | FieldySnuts | can we get this guy silenced please |
| 23:35.37 | shingouz | jshoenberger: asshole |
| 23:35.39 | abrotman | jshoenberger: are you going to be quiet now ? |
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| 23:35.46 | kodek | jshoenberger: he's my friend making fun of me |
| 23:35.46 | jshoenberger | HAHAHAHA I was just teasing a friend of mine |
| 23:35.58 | kodek | jshoenberger: JUST CAUSE I SMELL DOESNT MEAN IM ARGENTINEAN! err.. |
| 23:35.59 | jshoenberger | wow, I'm impressed with the responce though |
| 23:35.59 | abrotman | who's not even here ? |
| 23:36.00 | FieldySnuts | not funny. |
| 23:36.01 | shingouz | jshoenberger: real bad taste, asshole |
| 23:36.02 | jshoenberger | HAHAHA |
| 23:36.09 | abrotman | shut up dipshit |
| 23:36.11 | FieldySnuts | @ops jshoenberger being a racist <jshoenberger> Random questions, anyone else think Argentinians smell funny? |
| 23:36.11 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jshoenberger being a racist <jshoenberger> Random questions, anyone else think Argentinians smell funny |
| 23:36.23 | jshoenberger | rofl, Hernan = permabaned |
| 23:36.25 | kodek | guys, calm down, he's just playing with me. |
| 23:36.26 | shingouz | jshoenberger, kodek: take this to #assholes |
| 23:36.26 | jshoenberger | :( |
| 23:36.37 | jshoenberger | lol, sorry =/ |
| 23:36.45 | FieldySnuts | yeah well i'm sure if it was about africans, the world would come crashing down on whoever said it. |
| 23:37.02 | abrotman | kodek: doesn't matter .. we have argentenians who might be offended |
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| 23:37.07 | kodek | FieldySnuts: my case is a Rosewill with very good reviews, I never thought it'd have a bad case |
| 23:37.08 | FieldySnuts | </uneven-politics> |
| 23:37.11 | helix | FieldySnuts: that only applies to black people in the US |
| 23:37.11 | kodek | abrotman: IM ARGENTINEAN |
| 23:37.16 | Sinisterr | i got a nvidia gforce2 mx400 when the xserver tries to start it tries 3 times then fails the only error is canot start xserver i used dpkg to reconfigure the server with the same error anyone know how to make this work? |
| 23:37.19 | FieldySnuts | helix: exactly |
| 23:37.19 | abrotman | kodek: YOU"RE NOT THE ONLY ONE DUMBASS |
| 23:37.31 | kodek | abrotman: if im not offended, then why should anyone else be? |
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| 23:37.33 | Morozoff | hi |
| 23:37.33 | helix | anyway, shut up you morons. all geeks smell bad, regardless of nationality. |
| 23:37.33 | FieldySnuts | bah screw this |
| 23:37.38 | kodek | haha |
| 23:37.41 | cat | S!tell Sinisterr about set up x |
| 23:37.43 | Rez | helix: you too? |
| 23:37.43 | abrotman | kodek: oh .. that's the stupidest fucking argument |
| 23:37.46 | cat | !tell Sinisterr about set up x |
| 23:37.49 | shingouz | helix: hey! i shower monthly! |
| 23:37.50 | _zoidberg_ | mee too |
| 23:37.52 | helix | not me, I'm a girl and we have nice lotions |
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| 23:37.55 | kodek | abrotman: let's just drop it |
| 23:38.00 | FieldySnuts | yyyeah righto, mate |
| 23:38.01 | abrotman | helix: you have to use them |
| 23:38.03 | helix | abrotman: yes, drop it :) |
| 23:38.04 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 23:38.07 | Daurnimator | abrotman: how long until it syncs up - i'm not well versed in ftp/http law |
| 23:38.18 | Empty | shingouz, cronjob for "mail -s "Shower reminder" shingouz" eh? |
| 23:38.31 | abrotman | Daurnimator: few hours .. maybe a day . maybe longer .. or you can use the official location and wait it out |
| 23:38.39 | abrotman | Daurnimator: or call your ISP and bitch |
| 23:38.50 | shingouz | Empty: something in that style. i tell it to sms the msg to me though. more l337 you know |
| 23:38.55 | takatumi | Daurnimator: or use the netinstaller |
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| 23:39.05 | FieldySnuts | !singlishsmite shingouz |
| 23:39.06 | dpkg | shingouz: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
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| 23:39.10 | shingouz | :) |
| 23:39.18 | Empty | helix, most of the geek guys I know have nice lotions too... But, erm, more lubricants than lotions. And they still smell. |
| 23:39.19 | spaetz | or use bitorrent to download the images |
| 23:39.29 | helix | heh |
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| 23:39.32 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: it's not necessary to comment every second incoming line with a random dpkg factoid |
| 23:39.35 | cthulfuego | AIYEE! INCOMIIING!!!! |
| 23:39.37 | pueblo | and mayb some movies too while ur at it |
| 23:39.38 | monsoon-other | whats the kernel source package called? |
| 23:39.45 | spaetz | Empty: that would be booze, not lotions :) |
| 23:39.52 | pueblo | lube lol |
| 23:39.54 | Daurnimator | well its 15% downloaded for dvd 2 now i've paused it |
| 23:39.58 | shingouz | monsoon-other: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 23:40.05 | monsoon-other | thx shingouz |
| 23:40.09 | shingouz | np |
| 23:40.27 | Empty | spaetz, lubrication for the brain or the mind no real difference- just makes something unpleasant mildly pleasanht or something mildly pleasant more pleasant |
| 23:40.38 | spaetz | hehe |
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| 23:40.51 | scar_ | can a kernel interfere with a proftpd daemon? because transfers suddenly stop and go down to zero and won't come up again. |
| 23:41.03 | FieldySnuts | scar_: are you getting errors about mod_delay? |
| 23:41.14 | Empty | scar_, probably passive FTP is what you are looking for |
| 23:41.21 | abarbaccia | hey - i hate to phrase it like this, but does anybody know a program for linux that is similar to windows movie maker? |
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| 23:41.32 | FieldySnuts | scar_: if so, compile proftpd without it (it's broken), or use another daemon |
| 23:41.34 | scar_ | FieldySnuts, that would accour in /var/log/daemon.log right? if so, no |
| 23:41.52 | Sinisterr | cat: xfree86 is already installed ive done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and discover is allso installed |
| 23:41.56 | scar_ | Empty, I do run this server with PassivePorts statement in proftpd.conf file |
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| 23:42.04 | quitte_ | abarbaccia no idea what moviemaker is. did you have a look at heroinewarriors.com? |
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| 23:42.14 | FieldySnuts | cinelerra sucks. big time. |
| 23:42.15 | kodek | so do you guys think it's a faulty psu? just because it's a no-name? |
| 23:42.24 | FieldySnuts | kodek: easily. |
| 23:42.26 | scar_ | FieldySnuts, although I am not quite sure how such an error looks like. |
| 23:42.27 | abarbaccia | its a program wherey ou can make a slideshow with transitions, add music, save to mpeg and stuff like that |
| 23:42.35 | quitte_ | abarbaccia: sorry, heroinewarrior.com |
| 23:42.38 | FieldySnuts | if it IS a bad psu, get it replaced. don't do what I do, and lose two 120GB disks to a bad psu. |
| 23:42.43 | FieldySnuts | or worse |
| 23:42.49 | quitte_ | abarbaccia: ok. then it's not what you want. |
| 23:42.56 | bucky | FieldySnuts, did you setup the render farm and run it on a dual proc computer like the doc says? |
| 23:42.56 | cthulfuego | scar_: At a minimum, run 'modprobe ip_contrack_ftp' so the firewall understands |
| 23:43.04 | FieldySnuts | bucky: why bother? it's a peice of shit |
| 23:43.16 | kodek | FieldySnuts: I'm freaking out. I thought it was the mobo, but I'm also returning the cpu too. Now the case + psu.. |
| 23:43.18 | FieldySnuts | and I have a smp system, that's not the point, cinlerra is just poop |
| 23:43.30 | Daurnimator | abarbaccia: use dvgrab to get off camera |
| 23:43.42 | abarbaccia | i have the photos and such |
| 23:43.45 | FieldySnuts | kino is a good way to get it off a dvcam (key: dv) |
| 23:43.59 | abarbaccia | i have all my content - i just want to be able to make a slideshow movie |
| 23:44.09 | scar_ | cthulfuego, I can connect through it and the transfer works fine for some time, but suddenly there is this breakdown and nothing moves anymore. happens with fxp. yes, AllowForeignAddress is on |
| 23:44.12 | FieldySnuts | movie making in linux is a joke unfortunately :( |
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| 23:44.21 | cthulfuego | FieldySnuts: FCP or Premiere, otherwise don't bother, basically. |
| 23:44.24 | abarbaccia | hahaha - seems like it - but you never know what you can find |
| 23:44.33 | bucky | maybe with apple going to intel that will change |
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| 23:44.39 | Daurnimator | try cinlerra |
| 23:44.40 | FieldySnuts | abarbaccia: i've spent about 3 years trying, and found nothing worth a damn |
| 23:44.43 | Daurnimator | you might like |
| 23:44.48 | FieldySnuts | and i just got done talking about cinelerra. don't waste your time. |
| 23:44.49 | Daurnimator | it althogh few do |
| 23:44.56 | thingfish | I thought linux is what George Lucas developed his rendering apps on. |
| 23:44.58 | initech | cinelerra might work in about 2 years if they work hard enough |
| 23:45.07 | cthulfuego | bucky: The problem isn't their backend code, but the UI stuff for final cut pro, I doubt that will ever be ported to Linux |
| 23:45.08 | FieldySnuts | i thought that 2 years ago, gave up on it finally |
| 23:45.13 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:45.18 | initech | thingfish: editing is not rendering |
| 23:45.23 | thingfish | true |
| 23:46.00 | FieldySnuts | cinelerra is also far too advanced for your every day user, it's an NLE which is meant for serious users and won't make sense to anyone else |
| 23:46.01 | Daurnimator | i gtg... no mirrors at all besides cdimage.debian correct? |
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| 23:46.49 | cthulfuego | FieldySnuts: The UI is too garish and confusing, too. |
| 23:47.09 | initech | cthulfuego: most really high end apps are that way |
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| 23:47.50 | cthulfuego | initech: The two high end payware editing solutions I mentioned don't have that particular problem. |
| 23:48.06 | initech | cthulfuego: they're unix? |
| 23:48.21 | cthulfuego | initech: No, one is apple, one is Windows (used to be apple) |
| 23:48.31 | initech | cthulfuego: there's your answer :) |
| 23:48.54 | cthulfuego | initech: Just coz it's linux (unix) doesn't mean it needs to be butt-ugly ;-) |
| 23:48.55 | initech | cthulfuego: all the unix apps I support take forever for the users to learn |
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| 23:49.31 | cthulfuego | Oh hold on, does cinelerra use Qt? |
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| 23:49.56 | FieldySnuts | no it uses its own stuff for its ui, everything |
| 23:50.19 | initech | cthulfuego: looked like Tk last time I looked |
| 23:50.23 | cthulfuego | I remember the first time I started it I thought I had a migraine. |
| 23:50.39 | equuelus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.43 | cthulfuego | Then it kept segfaulting when I wanted it to save, so I gave up. |
| 23:50.57 | shingouz | equuelus: yes, you are runnign fedora |
| 23:50.58 | FieldySnuts | equuelus: ask a fedora channel. |
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| 23:51.13 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: they don't know? |
| 23:51.15 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 23:51.17 | monsoon-other | does anyone know if ndiswrapper works on debian amd64? |
| 23:51.20 | FieldySnuts | since i know what the next part will be |
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| 23:51.26 | shingouz | monsoon-other: no such luck |
| 23:51.31 | cthulfuego | monsoon-other: only with 64bit windows drivers |
| 23:51.37 | FieldySnuts | monsoon-other: probably not, as you are 1) dealing with 32-bit CLOSED SOURCE binaries 2) it's ndiswrapper |
| 23:51.52 | monsoon-other | sorry I know that ndiswrapper it self works |
| 23:51.57 | monsoon-other | in 64bit |
| 23:52.05 | equuelus | shingouz: does it really have anything todo with fedora? just curious.. i'm gonna install sarge tonight anyways.. but just out of curiousity.. why? |
| 23:52.08 | shingouz | monsoon-other: off to the store with you, get a real nic that is supported by something decent :) |
| 23:52.09 | monsoon-other | but do the packages for debiamd64 work? |
| 23:52.13 | FieldySnuts | yes but if you throw 32 bit drivers at it, game over. get real hardware. |
| 23:52.17 | shingouz | equuelus: bad kvm |
| 23:52.19 | cthulfuego | monsoon-other: Yeah. You cna't use the win32bit drivers under linux 64 though. |
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| 23:52.36 | monsoon-other | cthulfuego, yah I know Ive got the 64bit ones |
| 23:52.38 | cthulfuego | monsoon-other: There's no reason the amd64 packages sholdn't work. |
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| 23:53.15 | shingouz | fluck |
| 23:53.15 | initech | monsoon-other: there's always those hardware devices that convert your plain old ethernet card to wireless |
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| 23:53.16 | equuelus | shingouz: why did it work with a older version? |
| 23:53.22 | nse | again.. |
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| 23:53.26 | shingouz | equuelus: older fedore? how the fuck should i know |
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| 23:53.40 | initech | Fedora? Fedora Core Dump? |
| 23:53.42 | thingfish | I have never seen a netsplit that big |
| 23:53.44 | monsoon-other | shingouz, I want to but the problem is, first I need a minipci, and second my hp/compaqs bios has a pci check that only allows certain cards, so Im afraid that if I buy a card it wont work, and then I cant return it |
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| 23:53.54 | thingfish | hehe initech |
| 23:53.54 | cthulfuego | equuelus: This is the debian channel. We don't use fedora or redhat. |
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| 23:54.09 | monsoon-other | its a bitching situation |
| 23:54.23 | shingouz | monsoon-other: get pcmcia then. besides i have seen some hacks concerning the minipci bios lock on google |
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| 23:55.13 | shingouz | equuelus: please take your fedora out of this channel, you can see what happened just a couple of minutes ago ;) |
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| 23:55.25 | equuelus | i use debian too..i have freevo which runs on debian.. but it doesnt have a kvm switch.. |
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| 23:55.43 | shingouz | can i cluebat him? please? |
| 23:55.46 | FieldySnuts | do it |
| 23:55.48 | abrotman | so ask #fedora about your FEDORA problem |
| 23:55.49 | cthulfuego | shingouz: Not yet. |
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| 23:55.56 | shingouz | cthulfuego: :( |
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| 23:56.06 | cthulfuego | shingouz: NOW! |
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| 23:56.12 | shingouz | !lart equuelus |
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| 23:56.16 | shingouz | wooohoooo |
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| 23:56.31 | thingfish | I am very familiar with fedora. That's why I dropped it for debian. |
| 23:56.37 | cthulfuego | streuner_: Please stop causing the netsplits. |
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| 23:59.31 | shingouz | !test |
| 23:59.31 | dpkg | Sorry, shingouz, I didn't get your test. |
| 23:59.38 | shingouz | :( |
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