| 00:00.09 | cthulfuego | abofaisal: I find a bittle 3-button mouse works very nicely with iBooks tho |
| 00:00.18 | shingouz | nanok: uh.. i am swapping pretty hard right now, what purchase are you referring to? |
| 00:00.19 | Exit83 | Dark-Schneider: let me guess, problems with 3D? |
| 00:00.28 | deadcat | eddyp: ya. i guess you might have to use the password option. i was wrong about teh ^x because i never use it. (= |
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| 00:00.32 | error403 | hmmm, is 'CHMOD 0777 / -R' a good idea? |
| 00:00.38 | FieldySnuts | no. |
| 00:00.41 | cthulfuego | error403: Apart from 'no" ? |
| 00:00.42 | error403 | :P |
| 00:00.43 | nanok | shingouz: uh..ibm.thinkpad..no hdd..no caddy.. |
| 00:00.45 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: i do not like you, your ups is bigger than mine |
| 00:00.50 | nanok | shingouz: that's me :) |
| 00:00.51 | shingouz | nanok: oh, yes :) |
| 00:00.53 | FieldySnuts | 1) it won't work (caps) 2) in lowercase, very bad |
| 00:00.54 | error403 | ah well, doesnt matter, livecd |
| 00:01.00 | abofaisal | brb |
| 00:01.16 | deadcat | cthulfuego: no rtc in ppc right? |
| 00:01.17 | error403 | FieldySnuts, well, i actually typed it lowercase |
| 00:01.27 | cthulfuego | deadcat: Not in any of mine |
| 00:01.34 | shingouz | nanok: been doing too many things today and thinkpad hd caddies have not been what you would call primary tasks |
| 00:01.47 | Dark-Schneider | Exit83 : not realy, in fact the 3D seems good but there's probleme with "event", like when I move the mouse, the game moove 1/2 sec after. |
| 00:02.12 | nanok | shingouz: same here, strange as it may seem.. :) |
| 00:02.25 | MobyTurbo | !moron error403 |
| 00:02.25 | dpkg | error403: You are moron #67 |
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| 00:02.32 | error403 | hehe |
| 00:02.33 | shingouz | nanok: multitasking all day too, huh? |
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| 00:02.48 | Exit83 | Dark-Schneider: ow, thats not fun, heh, at least you have 3D, im still trying to get mine to work, i swear, i never want ATI again |
| 00:02.50 | nanok | shingouz: actually , a friend made the buy for me, i will find out if my choice was "wise" in at least a week.. |
| 00:02.57 | darkcmd | Does anyone else in here find the fact that the freebsd kernel source is in the apt repository for the GNU\Linux distribution? |
| 00:03.05 | shingouz | nanok: i hope it is/was |
| 00:03.06 | nanok | shingouz: yup, multiple threads and all.. |
| 00:03.11 | FieldySnuts | ask a complete question? |
| 00:03.12 | shingouz | heh |
| 00:03.16 | error403 | actually, i did 'rm -rf /' just to see what would happen once |
| 00:03.27 | nanok | shingouz: :) |
| 00:03.30 | shingouz | error403: and now you pay the price? |
| 00:03.32 | darkcmd | error403: if you aren't root, it spits out an error |
| 00:03.40 | Dark-Schneider | Exit83 : but the 3D is good, it's juste quake III. I've tried withe unreal 2003 and no probleme at all !! |
| 00:03.57 | bucky | hey grumpydog |
| 00:04.04 | error403 | shingouz, it was fun |
| 00:04.06 | error403 | real fun |
| 00:04.08 | jbond00747 | hey. I just tried upgrading one of my powerpc servers to sarge and after trying to upgrade the kernel it crashed |
| 00:04.18 | shingouz | error403: you need a life ;) |
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| 00:04.27 | error403 | linux stubmles along until it realises its bash shell consists of 3 commands |
| 00:04.32 | Exit83 | Dark-Schneider: cant really help you as i m no gamer, maybe try google? |
| 00:04.33 | jbond00747 | I'm now stuck at a yellow screen with a flashing folder w/ a question mark on it |
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| 00:04.38 | error403 | shingouz, i was bored... |
| 00:04.40 | jbond00747 | any ideas how to recover it? |
| 00:04.55 | shingouz | error403: each to his own... :) |
| 00:05.01 | Dark-Schneider | Exit83 : thx,but google don't says anithing about this |
| 00:05.02 | nvz | dpkg, any ideas? |
| 00:05.02 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little WD-40, and 42 rabid kittens. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 00:05.09 | resiak | jbond00747: Define "it crashed"? |
| 00:05.16 | jbond00747 | I'm now stuck at a yellow screen with a flashing folder w/ a question mark on it |
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| 00:05.23 | shingouz | jbond00747: that question might be one for #debian-ppc |
| 00:05.32 | dondelelcaro | yellow screen? |
| 00:05.36 | shingouz | jbond00747: a sad mac, is that it? |
| 00:05.36 | cddesjar | if i did apt-get install kde does that come with kdm? |
| 00:05.44 | dondelelcaro | sounds like a monitor is missing some pins |
| 00:05.45 | cddesjar | or do i need to do apt-get install kdm |
| 00:05.51 | cthulfuego | shingouz: Sad macs are on black screens. |
| 00:05.52 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: no, a sad mac is totally different. |
| 00:06.03 | cthulfuego | Right after the car crash noise |
| 00:06.17 | Exit83 | cddesjar: just try it, apt-get will say what packages it will install |
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| 00:06.27 | shingouz | i am not too well versed on macs as you can tell |
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| 00:06.34 | jbond00747 | ya...it isn't the sad mac |
| 00:06.40 | jbond00747 | the background is yellow |
| 00:06.41 | Exit83 | cddesjar: if its not in, you can do it afterwards |
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| 00:06.50 | cddesjar | yeah |
| 00:06.55 | jbond00747 | in the upper corner it says "Loading second stage bootstrap..." |
| 00:07.01 | cthulfuego | jbond00747: Boot off CD, chroot to the debian installation and reinstall yaboot with proper cfg file. |
| 00:07.02 | cddesjar | oh btw...how do i uninstall something? |
| 00:07.12 | Exit83 | cddesjar: apt-get remove |
| 00:07.18 | Exit83 | cddesjar: thats what i use |
| 00:07.18 | cddesjar | i am a newbie to debian so if someone could link to html that has a manual or something |
| 00:07.19 | jbond00747 | cthulfuego: Will an ubuntu live disc work for that? |
| 00:07.21 | cddesjar | great |
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| 00:07.28 | cthulfuego | jbond00747: yep |
| 00:07.28 | Dark-Schneider | Exit83 : another thing, some people sais me to try a "opengl-update ati". but I do not have this command. do you know witch package contain it ? |
| 00:07.33 | streuner | cddesjar: /msg dpkg ig |
| 00:08.01 | jbond00747 | ok....so then just mount my root partition and then chroot to it and run ybin? |
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| 00:08.08 | PeTeRB | Dark-Schneider: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:08.15 | Exit83 | Dark-Schneider: i think they mean is to use the opensource GL for ATI instead of th eATI GL driver |
| 00:08.23 | cddesjar | what does the command /msg mean? |
| 00:08.37 | jbond00747 | Most of my systems are i386 so I don't have much experiance with yaboot. Grub/Lilo issues I generally can deal with, but ppc is generally not my experiance |
| 00:08.39 | shingouz | cddesjar: it is an irc command |
| 00:08.40 | streuner | cddesjar: message bot factoid |
| 00:08.43 | Exit83 | cddesjar: its a command yo uhave to use in here, in irc |
| 00:08.45 | cddesjar | ok |
| 00:08.48 | Wyzard | cddesjar: It sends a message to a specific person |
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| 00:08.53 | cthulfuego | jbond00747: The yaboot config file is as easy as lilo.conf |
| 00:08.54 | streuner | or bot |
| 00:09.07 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 00:09.07 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:09.10 | Dark-Schneider | Exit83 : where can I find the open source driver ? |
| 00:09.14 | jbond00747 | cthulfuego: That's what I thought, but apparently I didn't do something right. |
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| 00:09.24 | jbond00747 | cthulfuego: I reinstall yaboot by running ybin as root? |
| 00:09.27 | Exit83 | Dark-Schneider: i think you can apt-get it |
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| 00:10.00 | cthulfuego | jbond00747: Yes |
| 00:10.04 | jbond00747 | ok |
| 00:10.14 | nvz | umm what is the filename I should use if I copy the default gtkrc 2.0 file to my home dir to make my own settings? |
| 00:10.16 | Dark-Schneider | Exit83 : in fact I do not have the net with my debian, so for the moment I dl the package and after I use dpkg |
| 00:10.17 | cthulfuego | jbond00747: Check that initrd and kernel are referenced proeprly in the config file first. |
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| 00:10.33 | jbond00747 | they are listed as /vmlinux and /initrd.img |
| 00:10.49 | jbond00747 | and the symlinks do exist and point to the same kernel and initrd (2.6.8 |
| 00:10.53 | Exit83 | Dark-Schneider: well, i know you can compile it in the kernel |
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| 00:11.50 | Exit83 | Dark-Schneider: so if you D/L the sources for kernel 2.6.8 (for instance) you can compile those in, there is a generic radeon driver for it |
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| 00:12.05 | nvz | someone fucked the gtkrc for gtk2.0 factiod, it tells the same info basically as the global gtkrc one, no longer tells what the gtkrc is to be called in the home dir |
| 00:12.09 | Exit83 | Dark-Schneider: but i dont think that the easy solution :d |
| 00:12.24 | nvz | I dont know if its ~/.gtkrc-2.0 or what |
| 00:12.29 | streuner | nvz: tried apt or ravenbird? |
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| 00:12.39 | cthulfuego | tried strings libgtk* ? |
| 00:12.48 | streuner | dpkg, listvals gtkrc-2.0 |
| 00:12.50 | nvz | streuner: ah, forgot about the other two stooges |
| 00:12.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'gtkrc-2.0' by value (1): gtk2 font. |
| 00:12.56 | Dark-Schneider | Exit83 : I looking for the package at debian.org |
| 00:13.25 | shingouz | Dark-Schneider: why not use apt-cache search foo to get the information? |
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| 00:13.44 | Exit83 | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 00:13.50 | cddesjar | damn it i can't run startx |
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| 00:14.03 | streuner | !find startx |
| 00:14.09 | Exit83 | cddesjar: did you install x-window-system |
| 00:14.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'startx' (3): (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients ;; (/usr/share/selinux/policy/default/domains/misc/startx.te) in admin/selinux-policy-default. |
| 00:14.13 | Dark-Schneider | shingouz : because I'm not under debian, and windows is currently working |
| 00:14.13 | cddesjar | yup |
| 00:14.17 | nanok | cddesjar: i thought we've been trough this before, a few hours ago.. :) |
| 00:14.19 | cddesjar | it crashes |
| 00:14.20 | Exit83 | cddesjar cfree86-common? |
| 00:14.23 | streuner | xbase-libs, cddesjar |
| 00:14.23 | cddesjar | when i start it |
| 00:14.26 | nvz | cool I am going to test the fonts now :P |
| 00:14.26 | Exit83 | Xfree* |
| 00:14.26 | Milhouse | is it just me or have they changed around the apt-get system. I just installed debian on an old box and I wanted to set up apt. So I type in apt-setup and I should be able to choose from a list of sources. Correct. |
| 00:14.29 | shingouz | Dark-Schneider: that is a pretty good excuse |
| 00:14.39 | Exit83 | :d |
| 00:14.47 | Dark-Schneider | shingouz : yes I know :/ |
| 00:14.56 | abrotman | Milhouse: sure .. what didn't work ? |
| 00:15.04 | shingouz | Dark-Schneider: doesn't windows have apt-cache? :p |
| 00:15.19 | nvz | whoo, got a little carried away 16pt fonts are a bit too large |
| 00:15.20 | fyrfaktry | anyone had luck installing sarge on a MB with ICH6r sata control? |
| 00:15.22 | Exit83 | windows haves windows updates :o |
| 00:15.25 | Exit83 | the horror |
| 00:15.27 | streuner | cddesjar: what videocard do you have? |
| 00:15.42 | abrotman | fyrfaktry: afaik .. not supported |
| 00:15.44 | cddesjar | i got it to work |
| 00:15.45 | Dark-Schneider | shingouz : windows have nothing very interesting |
| 00:15.46 | nanok | shingouz: nonono, it was replaced by blue screens , apt was to cool for them.. |
| 00:15.47 | shingouz | Milhouse: is debian already installed and you have the base system running? |
| 00:15.52 | cddesjar | i was just using bad parameter under xfree86 config |
| 00:15.55 | nanok | :P |
| 00:15.55 | cddesjar | all good |
| 00:15.57 | shingouz | nanok: ooooo |
| 00:16.03 | Exit83 | cddesjar: nice |
| 00:16.06 | fyrfaktry | thanks |
| 00:16.16 | cddesjar | i've been through this shit before with slackware |
| 00:16.19 | abrotman | fyrfaktry: do you know which kernel got that support ? |
| 00:16.25 | Milhouse | shingouz -yes |
| 00:16.26 | Exit83 | sometimes i get nostalgic about BSOD |
| 00:16.26 | streuner | fyrfaktry: /msg dpkg sata faq |
| 00:16.36 | Exit83 | and turn my gnome all blue |
| 00:16.37 | Milhouse | abrotman - One sec I'll tell you what happens |
| 00:16.39 | fyrfaktry | thanks again |
| 00:16.43 | eddyp | deadcat: how can I get an encrypted password? |
| 00:16.44 | shingouz | cddesjar: i hope you used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 instead of some odd slacktool |
| 00:16.56 | nanok | cddesjar: look for lines starting with (EE) in the x log, they should tell you what the prob is |
| 00:17.01 | binaryc | exit83- use the bsod screensaver then |
| 00:17.02 | cddesjar | lol...yup |
| 00:17.02 | shingouz | Milhouse: what do you have in sources.list? |
| 00:17.15 | nvz | hell even at 12pt, you'd have to be blind to not see them at 1280x1024.. I must have been using like 5.5pt fonts before.. cause they were fucking small |
| 00:17.19 | Exit83 | binaryc woah, does that really exists |
| 00:17.20 | Exit83 | hahaha |
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| 00:17.26 | binaryc | exit83- yeah |
| 00:17.26 | error403 | heh, i just DoS'ed myself with an non-limited FTP download |
| 00:17.27 | shingouz | cddesjar: yup? what yup? dpkg or slacktools? |
| 00:17.39 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite Phated |
| 00:17.39 | dpkg | Phated: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell |
| 00:17.41 | cddesjar | dpkh |
| 00:17.43 | streuner | shingouz: how did you guess, just randomly? |
| 00:17.43 | cddesjar | dpkg |
| 00:17.50 | shingouz | cddesjar: excellent |
| 00:17.50 | Exit83 | binaryc i guess it comes standard in linspire then |
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| 00:18.05 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i agree with your earlier assessment |
| 00:18.07 | shingouz | streuner: huh? about the dpkg? just a random guess or i am too paranoid tonight |
| 00:18.16 | shingouz | take your pick ;) |
| 00:18.24 | binaryc | Exit83- if i remember correctly it came in the gnome-screensavers package |
| 00:18.25 | streuner | shingouz: hint, slackware (cddesjar) |
| 00:18.27 | Milhouse | Shingouz - Well I cleared my sources.list. Its now blank. I run apt-setup and automatically puts a few entries (testing) into the list. I wanted to choose from the list. |
| 00:18.39 | shingouz | streuner: he mentioned slack |
| 00:19.04 | Exit83 | binaryc i only installed gnome-core, no need for aal that fancy stuff.. all though im still usinggnome :d |
| 00:19.10 | shingouz | Milhouse: oh. i do not even remember when i last used apt-setup myself. sorry |
| 00:19.26 | abrotman | Milhouse: did you answer some odd question for debconf that might prevent it actually running ? |
| 00:19.49 | binaryc | Exit83- i am a package whore, i have many useless flash installed, but suprizingly i manage to stay kde/ kde library free |
| 00:19.50 | Milhouse | its possible |
| 00:19.56 | abrotman | your other option is to try apt-spy |
| 00:20.09 | abrotman | it's actually quite easy |
| 00:20.17 | Exit83 | binaryc lol, thats better then me, i have k3b, gnomebaker wotn work for some odd reason |
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| 00:21.16 | binaryc | Exit83- for data i use nautilus cd burner, i rarely if ever burn audio or dvds but when i do , gnomebaker is nice |
| 00:21.27 | Milhouse | and when I cut and paste my list from my other debian box none of the sources work. |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | what sources are they ? |
| 00:21.53 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:21.54 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 00:21.54 | Milhouse | unstable |
| 00:22.01 | Exit83 | binaryc the problem is DVDs, i alxays get an error i have to put in a blanc disc |
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| 00:22.08 | rvalles | do install floppies based on kernel 2.6 actually exist? |
| 00:22.09 | Milhouse | one sec abrotman |
| 00:22.13 | shingouz | Milhouse: don't go unstable. please don't |
| 00:22.23 | Exit83 | rvalles you can make them |
| 00:22.23 | error403 | argh, the windows is PAINFUL! |
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| 00:22.34 | shingouz | error403: xp? |
| 00:22.34 | Wyzard | hmm... after a plain (not dist-) upgrade, GNOME in sid seems fine to me |
| 00:22.34 | abrotman | shingouz: too late apparently |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | rvalles: not that i've seen .. ask #debian-boot |
| 00:22.58 | rvalles | so they do not? |
| 00:22.58 | rvalles | :/ |
| 00:23.00 | abrotman | rvalles: not that i've seen .. ask #debian-boot |
| 00:23.01 | abrotman | rvalles: not that i've seen .. ask #debian-boot |
| 00:23.02 | shingouz | abrotman: yea, looks like that. yet another one who is going to shoot himself in the leg |
| 00:23.05 | abrotman | want me to say it again? |
| 00:23.06 | abrotman | rvalles: not that i've seen .. ask #debian-boot |
| 00:23.07 | paster | "Milhouse" at 209.107.108.106 pasted "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/d" (16 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/199 |
| 00:23.08 | error403 | shingouz, yes |
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| 00:23.18 | streuner | Wyzard: that should be rather magic then, because gnome-core isnt in sid or incoming yet :-) |
| 00:23.19 | bucky | Wyzard, awsome... what version is that gnome? |
| 00:23.21 | roman | Is there any way to add a driver to my Kernel? My sound card for some reason is not being recognized by the default kernel... I have a Silicon Integrated System [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) ...anyone? |
| 00:23.24 | shingouz | ~comfort error403 |
| 00:23.25 | apt | There, there, error403. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:23.28 | abrotman | Milhouse: how many sets of sources do you need ? |
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| 00:23.34 | error403 | hehe |
| 00:23.40 | abrotman | and stable updates to sid .. are worthless |
| 00:23.43 | Exit83 | roman recompile your kernel :d |
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| 00:23.47 | resiak | relkonta: You have no voice because you are a knoppix user. |
| 00:23.56 | error403 | so apt responds to ~, dpkg to ! ? |
| 00:23.56 | shingouz | Exit83: don't even mention that here |
| 00:24.07 | abrotman | KKKKKNOPPPPIX has landed |
| 00:24.07 | shingouz | error403: and ravenbird to @ iirc |
| 00:24.12 | Exit83 | shingouz: why not? |
| 00:24.14 | Wyzard | streuner: I still have the previous version of gnome-core installed, and a few other packages are held back by it |
| 00:24.20 | roman | Exit83: I was hoping I could avoid that... not that it would be a problem its just that I would rather not go through that today |
| 00:24.22 | streuner | abrotman: you arent a bot, are you? ;-) |
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| 00:24.28 | Wyzard | streuner: If I dist-upgrade, apt wants to remove it... that's why I did a plain upgrade |
| 00:24.29 | shingouz | Exit83: it is too painful to make custom kernels on irc |
| 00:24.29 | resiak | abrotman: what are you? |
| 00:24.31 | abrotman | streuner: i am sgeigerbot! |
| 00:24.35 | streuner | haha |
| 00:24.39 | abrotman | resiak: i'm a man with a large penis |
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| 00:24.49 | Exit83 | shingouz: hehehe, i make compiling errors everyday :d |
| 00:24.55 | shingouz | roman: have you googled on the sis-thingie? |
| 00:24.59 | streuner | Wyzard: clever |
| 00:25.04 | shingouz | Exit83: yes but i do not like to correct them for you |
| 00:25.06 | Exit83 | roman: well, thats the only way i know off of my head |
| 00:25.07 | versuchsanstalt | HI streuner |
| 00:25.16 | binaryc | but he keeps it in his ass and it belongs to his prison mate (rasiak) |
| 00:25.17 | versuchsanstalt | sorry bout the caps |
| 00:25.18 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: hey |
| 00:25.21 | Exit83 | shingouz: true |
| 00:25.34 | bkhl | "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 00:25.34 | bkhl | hasn't been working for a few days. What's up with that? |
| 00:25.37 | Wyzard | streuner: That's the way I usually do things... check whether my dist-upgrade wants to remove important stuff, and if it does, fall back to plain upgrade |
| 00:25.47 | nvz | nope penis isnt in the topic, lets drop it :P |
| 00:25.51 | waTR | shingouz: Have I googled the SiS? not just yet |
| 00:25.52 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: it was only one char, so relax ;-) |
| 00:25.57 | Wyzard | bkhl: testing does not get security updates |
| 00:25.59 | Exit83 | shingouz: guess it would be pretty awkward if everybody started asking questions about custom kernel |
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| 00:26.01 | shingouz | waTR: i guess we need to figure out what the necessary modules are, then find a way to make the system use them. did you hit google for them? |
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| 00:26.14 | versuchsanstalt | hmm. right.. :-) |
| 00:26.15 | Wyzard | bkhl: The only reason sarge recently got security updates while it was still testing was because it was soon going to become stable |
| 00:26.17 | waTR | shingouz: I will right now |
| 00:26.22 | shingouz | Exit83: very. and i am not in a mood to pull out any major larts tonight ;) |
| 00:26.25 | bkhl | Wyzard: it used to not complain, though. Now I get these 404 errors... |
| 00:26.26 | bkhl | waTR: Ah. |
| 00:26.39 | error403 | so, Knoppix has debootstrap then? |
| 00:26.42 | shingouz | waTR: could you uname -a ? |
| 00:26.46 | Exit83 | shingouz: does this mean i can bother you with it in the morning :p |
| 00:26.54 | Exit83 | shingouz: J+K |
| 00:26.56 | bkhl | So if I run testing, should I have that line, but with stable, or what? |
| 00:26.57 | Exit83 | shingouz: J/k |
| 00:27.04 | shingouz | Exit83: not sure, depends on if you want to have dinner tomorrow |
| 00:27.21 | Wyzard | bkhl: Change it to stable, but be aware that it won't do you much good |
| 00:27.26 | bkhl | OK. |
| 00:27.27 | bkhl | Thanks. |
| 00:27.28 | waTR | shingouz: Linux MyDeb 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:27.36 | Exit83 | shingouz hehe, naah, but if i make a mistake ill just take my standard kernel and look up what modules it has loaded |
| 00:27.46 | Wyzard | bkhl: You'll only get a security update if the package has never been updated (in testing) beyond the version that's in sarge |
| 00:27.52 | shingouz | waTR: is that the install kernel you used? if it is, /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 00:27.58 | fwest | i once found an sftp / scp only daemon, does anyone know what it is? |
| 00:27.58 | bkhl | I see. |
| 00:28.17 | waTR | shingouz: yeah its the one I installed... I just installed sarge today... trying to work out the bugs |
| 00:28.22 | shingouz | waTR: you may have a better chance using a 2.6 for that matter |
| 00:28.30 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: i was reminded of our discussions about broken hardware while making coffee today, see http://www.versuchsanstalt.org/wordpress/?p=101 |
| 00:28.34 | error403 | my netinstall hangs at 61% on the base system - is that something to do with the lack of working network connection? |
| 00:28.42 | abrotman | is he spamming us ? |
| 00:28.51 | shingouz | waTR: get a 2.6, it has alsa in it already, 2.4 runs oss and it does not support everything anymore |
| 00:28.59 | versuchsanstalt | ok, into /msg next time, sorry |
| 00:29.02 | error403 | hmm, it works now... |
| 00:29.03 | shingouz | !tell waTR about 2.6 |
| 00:29.13 | Exit83 | error403: sometimes it can take a while |
| 00:29.13 | eddyp | deadcat: thanks, I amnaged to do it... I'll probably see your answer tomorrow ;-) |
| 00:29.18 | nvz | error403: if it had to do with your broken net connection , you wouldnt get to 61% before you realized it |
| 00:29.19 | Exit83 | error403: its normal |
| 00:29.27 | error403 | ok |
| 00:29.27 | error403 | thanks |
| 00:29.32 | nvz | error403: libc isnt small you know |
| 00:29.34 | waTR | shingouz: yeah...thats gona be tough... I am in middle of moving and my connection here is max 15k/sec downlo LOL... gona be tough downloading the kernel source |
| 00:29.36 | Exit83 | erro403: as long as it doesnt ake 10 minutes with no activity, i wouldnt worry |
| 00:29.41 | shingouz | waTR: disregard what dpkg just said, i forgot the correct factoid :p |
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| 00:29.49 | Milhouse | abrotman - do you remember what stupid question they ask? that doesn't allow apt-setup to work? |
| 00:29.58 | abrotman | Milhouse: not a friggin clue |
| 00:30.02 | shingouz | waTR: you do not need to make a custom at all, a debian kernel is better |
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| 00:30.05 | abrotman | Milhouse: what's wrong with the sources you have ? |
| 00:30.27 | shingouz | waTR: lemme see if i can figure out the correct factoid for you while you google for the modules, ok? |
| 00:30.34 | Milhouse | abrotman- when I use that sources-list on this new box that I installed debian on they don't work |
| 00:30.40 | waTR | shingouz: ok... I will do some searches in google tomorrow and get the kernel to recognize my sound card hehe |
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| 00:31.05 | abrotman | Milhouse: why not ? |
| 00:31.11 | Milhouse | I have no clue |
| 00:31.18 | abrotman | what's the error |
| 00:31.19 | abofaisal | somehwat moronic question.. is there a utility that will let me configure which servers apt-get uses to fetch packages? kinda like what it asked me when I first installed |
| 00:31.29 | gravity | abofaisal: apt-setup |
| 00:31.31 | abrotman | abofaisal: apt-setup |
| 00:31.32 | Bogus8 | is there a package that addes the command `service` to debian? |
| 00:31.32 | Exit83 | abofaisal: yes |
| 00:31.33 | abofaisal | thanks |
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| 00:31.38 | abrotman | gravity: don't you have an xorg to package? :) |
| 00:31.39 | Bogus8 | to start and stop services |
| 00:31.44 | gravity | abrotman: It's building |
| 00:31.52 | error403 | Dammit |
| 00:31.56 | gravity | I think it's almost ready for experimental |
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| 00:31.58 | Exit83 | error403: ?? |
| 00:31.58 | error403 | after all that, it works |
| 00:31.59 | abofaisal | switched from redhat based distros to debian and can never go back to rpm hell again |
| 00:31.59 | error403 | >.< |
| 00:32.05 | abrotman | gravity: really gonna go experimetnal first? .. not just into sid ? |
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| 00:32.08 | jbond00747 | Bogus8: All the scripts you want to do that are /etc/init.d/ followed by the service name and what you want to do with it |
| 00:32.15 | error403 | after all that worrying about DHCP, i just configured manually |
| 00:32.21 | gravity | abrotman: I want to make it available before I'm ready to release it to the general public |
| 00:32.23 | abrotman | Bogus8: update-rc.d |
| 00:32.26 | abrotman | Bogus8: rcconf |
| 00:32.28 | blueshoe | anyone know how to change the font/font-size when creating new labels in OpenOffice ? |
| 00:32.29 | Bogus8 | jbond00747: I know this... just got used to using service from FC3 |
| 00:32.31 | Exit83 | error403: yeah, it always tries DHCP first no matter what |
| 00:32.32 | shingouz | waTR: just install a 2.6 on the box and you have alsa there, lets go from there. do not make a custom, just get a debian image and we will all be happy |
| 00:32.39 | Milhouse | abofaisal - doesn't redhat have something similar, like yum or an apt of their own? |
| 00:32.39 | abrotman | gravity: uhm .. experimental is general public |
| 00:32.43 | gravity | abrotman: Plus it'll likely break a lot of builds and I want to give package maintainers the chance to work on it |
| 00:32.47 | error403 | how does Debian manage to grab ALL bandwidth through a router? |
| 00:32.48 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, but you know what I mean |
| 00:32.50 | error403 | >.< |
| 00:32.56 | Exit83 | error403: unless you are running a DHCP server, you have to wait an do it manually |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | gravity: screw the other people! |
| 00:33.02 | waTR | shingouz: yeah ill do that then |
| 00:33.05 | gravity | abrotman: unstable is for when the maintainer is ready to release with it to the best of his knowledge, knowing it'll migrate to testing |
| 00:33.11 | Exit83 | error403: the good way :) |
| 00:33.15 | error403 | Exit83, i AM running a DHCP server on my router though |
| 00:33.16 | gravity | abrotman: I know the packages aren't ready, but I want to make them available |
| 00:33.17 | jbond00747 | Bogus8: Take a look at http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/sysvconfig |
| 00:33.18 | sprink | I cant seem to get my mouse working for debian 3.1. there doesn't seem to be any mouse devices in /dev |
| 00:33.21 | abofaisal | milhouse: i've been an OS X guy since 2002 when I left linux.. acquired an old imac and have enough OS X machines already... need a hobby machine again... |
| 00:33.25 | error403 | Exit83, every other installer picks it up |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | gravity: haven't you been working on them for .. like a year? |
| 00:33.29 | Bogus8 | jbond00747: ok thanks |
| 00:33.30 | abofaisal | just remembered the hell I had with rpms prior to 2002.. and don't wanna go back |
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| 00:33.34 | gravity | abofaisal: A month |
| 00:33.38 | waTR | shingouz: Can I find the kernel on CD1 or 2? |
| 00:33.41 | gravity | s/abofaisal/abrotman |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | gravity: gotcha |
| 00:33.46 | Exit83 | error403: oh well... :d |
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| 00:33.55 | abrotman | gravity: but branden had the /debian like .. last year |
| 00:33.57 | error403 | >.< Need to get 520MB of archives... |
| 00:34.03 | Exit83 | wow |
| 00:34.05 | gravity | abrotman: There wasn't much of anything in it. I did almost all of it |
| 00:34.12 | waTR | shingouz: I mean the 2.6 kernel ofcourse |
| 00:34.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:34.14 | Exit83 | erorr you didnt select packages yourself? |
| 00:34.14 | Bogus8 | jbond00747: looks like what I'm looking for |
| 00:34.22 | gravity | abrotman: Although almost all of it was already done by Ubuntu, who took it from Debian originally anyway |
| 00:34.25 | Exit83 | error403: you didnt select packages yourself? |
| 00:34.30 | gravity | Anyway, I did a lot |
| 00:34.33 | shingouz | waTR: the kernel-image is not too big of a download either. apt-cache search kernel-image, look for the latest 2.6 for your cpu, apt-get install <that particular image> |
| 00:34.34 | Milhouse | shingouz - if I shouldn't use unstable..then what should I use. Isn't stable really outdated? |
| 00:34.36 | jbond00747 | Bogus8: For your reference if you look at packages.debian.org you can search packages for contents |
| 00:34.40 | Exit83 | error403: or just went for desktop system? |
| 00:34.49 | abrotman | gravity: sssshhh .. don't say that |
| 00:34.50 | jbond00747 | I just searched for packages containing a file called "service" |
| 00:34.51 | shingouz | Milhouse: stable went stable on monday... |
| 00:34.51 | Bogus8 | jbond00747: I see this... I'm learning ;) |
| 00:35.03 | error403 | Exit83, i went for Desktop and Web Server |
| 00:35.05 | jbond00747 | Bogus8: It is at the bottom of http://packages.debian.org |
| 00:35.05 | Milhouse | shingouz - huh? |
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| 00:35.08 | cthulfuego | abofaisal: if you're going to be using Linux on an old iMac, you _really_ want to spend $10 on a cheap-ass 3 button USB mouse |
| 00:35.09 | abrotman | gravity: do you package for ubuntu also ? |
| 00:35.12 | error403 | because thats what i am using it for |
| 00:35.13 | gravity | abrotman: No |
| 00:35.15 | shingouz | waTR: apt will prompt you for the correct cd |
| 00:35.15 | Bogus8 | I had tried to search for "service" but as you can imagine it returned quite a lot |
| 00:35.25 | abofaisal | is gaim pretty much still the best all around linux im client? |
| 00:35.28 | error403 | now, the question is, do i get rid of my 7 Debian Woody install CDs ? |
| 00:35.35 | Exit83 | error403: well, i would install naked sytem and when its done apt-get only the bare essentials |
| 00:35.40 | jbond00747 | Bogus8: ya...searching on package name and description would...contents didn't get that many hits |
| 00:35.41 | Exit83 | error403: gabrage can? |
| 00:35.42 | dvs | Milhouse: sarge is now stable and etch is now testing |
| 00:35.47 | abrotman | Bogus8: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 00:35.48 | binaryc | is there a way to check if sid repositories have been updated recently other then running apt-get update ? |
| 00:35.49 | error403 | hehe |
| 00:35.54 | Bogus8 | jbond00747: Ah, cool... thanks for the tip |
| 00:35.55 | ethics | sprink, what kind of mouse is it? ps2 usb...2button with scroll....brandname... does /dev/input/mice exist? is X configed to use it |
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| 00:36.00 | shingouz | Milhouse: Sarge is now stable, the packages are not too old. if you use sid... well... ( /msg dpkg sid faq ). read and weep |
| 00:36.01 | dvs | error403: Plaque? |
| 00:36.07 | error403 | Exit83, reckon i should chuck FC3 while im at it? |
| 00:36.12 | error403 | heh |
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| 00:36.19 | waTR | shingouz: ok thanks...i will do that right now |
| 00:36.20 | Exit83 | error403: i D/L the images 2 till my friend told me to get the 8 MB netinstall.iso :s |
| 00:36.21 | error403 | bye bye Debian 3.0 and FC3 |
| 00:36.22 | waTR | bbl |
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| 00:36.38 | sprink | ps2, 2 button, with scroll, I tried to config x but none of the devices exisist |
| 00:36.41 | Exit83 | error403: FC3, bad experience with that :s |
| 00:36.41 | Bogus8 | abrotman: in FC3 I was used to doing `service httpd restart` |
| 00:36.44 | dvs | Exit83: 8MB? That's small! |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | Bogus8: oh . just to restart? |
| 00:36.53 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: 'sudo apachectl graceful' |
| 00:36.57 | abrotman | Bogus8: /etc/init.d/<service> restart |
| 00:37.02 | shingouz | sprink: PS/2, not PS2. it is IBM, not sony ffs.. |
| 00:37.07 | Exit83 | dvs yeah, the netinstall iso :d |
| 00:37.17 | Bogus8 | abrotman: various services... I know I can do that... but service is shorter than /etc/init.d/ |
| 00:37.18 | error403 | Exit83, me too |
| 00:37.27 | dvs | Exit83: I thought the netinstall CD was about 120MB? |
| 00:37.37 | Exit83 | dvs not the mini :d |
| 00:37.39 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: So write a 3 line script called 'serice' |
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| 00:37.47 | error403 | Exit83, is it REALLY that bad an idea to select the 2 package groups? |
| 00:37.49 | dvs | Exit83: Oh! There's a mini? Cool! |
| 00:38.01 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: or download the package that profides that service that I have been using?? |
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| 00:38.04 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: #!/bin/sh \n /etc/init.d/$1 $2 |
| 00:38.06 | Exit83 | error403: 2 package groups? |
| 00:38.07 | sprink | sorry, PS/2. happy? |
| 00:38.09 | jbond00747 | cthulfuego: Some did in the sysvconfig package |
| 00:38.15 | m | I am attempting to recompile my kernel, and I cannot seem to figure out what I am neglecting to get my USB flash drives to mount through a /dev/sda1 device |
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| 00:38.17 | error403 | Exit83, Desktop and Web Server |
| 00:38.20 | Exit83 | dvs yeah, i could give you URL on a belgian ftp server |
| 00:38.21 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: Debian has no 'service' package |
| 00:38.28 | sprink | yes. /dev/input/mice does exisit |
| 00:38.34 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: look at jbond00747's responce above |
| 00:38.47 | Exit83 | error403: its not bad, its just, im no package whore, i install gnome-core, not gnome-common |
| 00:38.51 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: Did some bastard add redhat functionality to debian? I better file a bug report. |
| 00:38.53 | Exit83 | error403: stuff like that |
| 00:38.53 | dvs | Exit83: Nah, I just burned the full 2 DVD set. |
| 00:38.54 | jbond00747 | cthulfuego: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/sysvconfig - it installs a service command like RHEL |
| 00:38.54 | m | It worked the first time I recompiled, and then I formatted + reinstalled, now it's just not doing anything. |
| 00:38.56 | shingouz | sprink: a lot happier. i have to confess i have a love/hate affair with the IBM PS/2 line, still run a bunch of them every day; i love the mca |
| 00:39.00 | error403 | Exit83, i use KDE |
| 00:39.10 | Milhouse | sp should I be using stable? testing? or unstable? |
| 00:39.10 | Exit83 | error403: kde-core then :p |
| 00:39.12 | cthulfuego | jbond00747: Mind you, my 2-line sh script does the same thing <heh> |
| 00:39.14 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: HAHAH, you funny :| |
| 00:39.14 | error403 | Exit83, i think we definitely have different approaches |
| 00:39.19 | binaryc | Exit83 - you stole my "package whore" phrase! |
| 00:39.25 | jbond00747 | jbond00747: ya.... |
| 00:39.26 | m | What I think I need is: SCSI Emulation, SCSI Drive support, USB support (device shows in lsusb), USB Mass Storage, vfat... |
| 00:39.27 | Exit83 | binaryc its true :p |
| 00:39.32 | error403 | Exit83, is kde-core with NO applications? |
| 00:39.36 | m | Am I missing something? |
| 00:39.40 | binaryc | Exir83- concider it under gpl ! |
| 00:39.48 | Exit83 | error403: only the the very standard ones |
| 00:39.58 | Exit83 | binaryc will do so ;) |
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| 00:40.02 | dvs | m: sd_mod? |
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| 00:40.06 | coywolf | how to read .chm file? |
| 00:40.09 | coywolf | !chm |
| 00:40.09 | dpkg | chm is, like, to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/) or use xchm |
| 00:40.09 | shingouz | m: why not use a debian kernel |
| 00:40.14 | error403 | Exit83, how long does a core install take? |
| 00:40.17 | bucky | LOL... sarge has service ! |
| 00:40.30 | Exit83 | error403: but sine apt-getting is so simple why not do it and if you need soemthing new, its fairly easy to fetch |
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| 00:40.50 | dvs | error403: Depends on the speed of your machine (and possibly internet connection) |
| 00:41.01 | error403 | Exit83, is it worth me cancelling and starting again |
| 00:41.01 | _gentgeen_ | I am looking for some help getting "XFree86-DRI" working -- on a mga200 video card, using etch |
| 00:41.01 | sprink | ethics you still with me? |
| 00:41.01 | Exit83 | error403: considering i installed gnome-core with xfree86 and x-window-system and it only takes 350 MB |
| 00:41.02 | bucky | error403, 20 minutes |
| 00:41.05 | Exit83 | error403: not long ;) |
| 00:41.06 | abrotman | m: change your nick .. and uname -a |
| 00:41.09 | nanok | bucky: huh?... |
| 00:41.19 | error403 | Exit83, im on a 2Mb downstream, so the whole install is taking 40 mins... |
| 00:41.23 | bucky | for him huh? |
| 00:41.29 | bucky | i'm psychic |
| 00:41.32 | Exit83 | error403: well, i wouldnt cancel it now |
| 00:41.34 | m | what should I change my nick too? |
| 00:41.44 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: mga200? a G200 Matrox? |
| 00:41.45 | pureone | hehe |
| 00:41.45 | abrotman | mmmmm: better :) |
| 00:41.47 | dvs | Ha! |
| 00:41.51 | abrotman | mmmmm: now .. uname -a |
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| 00:41.54 | _gentgeen_ | shingouz, yes |
| 00:41.54 | mmmmm | shingouz, security |
| 00:41.54 | Exit83 | error403: but its a handy reminder for if you have to install it and want to know whats coming in on your PC |
| 00:41.59 | error403 | Exit83, thats what i thought - im going to sleep now, so i can configure in the morning, or after my exams tomorrow |
| 00:42.00 | dvs | Now change it to: mmmmmmmbeer |
| 00:42.06 | nanok | bucky: ucky> LOL... sarge has service ! |
| 00:42.12 | nanok | bucky: :-? |
| 00:42.14 | mmmmm | Linux hostname 2.4.27-newtarsier-3 #1 Thu Jun 9 20:11:48 EDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:42.18 | Exit83 | error403: where do you live seeing as you have exams now and its evening |
| 00:42.23 | bucky | nanok, type it as su |
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| 00:42.33 | abrotman | mmmmm: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4 |
| 00:42.37 | abrotman | or .. -2.6 |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | newtarsier ? |
| 00:42.46 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: the driver is supposedly mga if i am not too much mistaken |
| 00:42.47 | mmmmm | nah I'd like 2.4 |
| 00:42.49 | error403 | Exit83, i dont have exams now, i have them tomorrow |
| 00:42.53 | error403 | Exit83, im in the UK |
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| 00:43.09 | Exit83 | error403: belgium here, hmmm 1 o clock almost 2 |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | mmmmm: wtf is newtarsier ? |
| 00:43.16 | ghost17 | hi all |
| 00:43.17 | Exit83 | error403: and you have exams tomorrow :p |
| 00:43.22 | mmmmm | --append-to-version=-newtarsier |
| 00:43.23 | mmmmm | name of the pc |
| 00:43.23 | error403 | Exit83, yeah, i need sleep, i have an exam at 9 |
| 00:43.25 | Exit83 | error403: way to go!! :) |
| 00:43.33 | Exit83 | error403: good luck |
| 00:43.33 | _gentgeen_ | Ya, I have that, and I think I have install all the mesa packages, but glxinfo still returns "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | mmmmm: so you compiled your own and it doesn't work ? |
| 00:43.38 | binaryc | error403: so technicly they are today ! |
| 00:43.38 | error403 | Exit83, doesnt matter, im gonna fail anyway :'( |
| 00:43.40 | mmmmm | correct |
| 00:43.43 | ghost17 | could anybody highlight me pls? |
| 00:43.50 | mmmmm | I must be missing some kernel option, but I have no idea what it could be. |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | _gentgeen_: is the DRI section in your x config ? |
| 00:43.53 | abrotman | ghost17: |
| 00:43.57 | ghost17 | ahh, thx |
| 00:43.57 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: could you please change your nick to something without leadind odd marks please? it is pretty annoying to type |
| 00:43.57 | abrotman | mmmmm: why ? |
| 00:43.58 | mmmmm | I've compiled my kernel 1000 times and never had this problem. |
| 00:43.59 | Exit83 | error403: what course is it? |
| 00:44.00 | ghost17 | it works :) |
| 00:44.03 | dvs | ghost17: It's hello, not hi. There I helped ;-) |
| 00:44.11 | error403 | Exit83, A-level physics |
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| 00:44.15 | sparr_ | when i modprobe usbnet and i dont get a usb0 network interface, what might be wrong? |
| 00:44.15 | mmmmm | abrotman, remove kernel options I don't need |
| 00:44.18 | Exit83 | error403: sounds fun :s |
| 00:44.22 | abrotman | mmmmm: how slow is your machine ? |
| 00:44.22 | binaryc | error403: but i can say your exams are tomorrow since i am in new york and it is only 8:45 pm |
| 00:44.23 | ghost17 | heheh dvs |
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| 00:44.29 | error403 | Exit83, my second re-take of this paper |
| 00:44.44 | Exit83 | error403: hehehe |
| 00:44.44 | dvs | ghost17: In other words, it would help if you asked the question first ;-) |
| 00:45.08 | abrotman | mmmmm: you sure you got the right options ? |
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| 00:45.16 | _gentgeen_ | abrotman, I have the Load "dri" in the config file |
| 00:45.17 | ghost17 | dvs: i ve been just looking if xchat runs the rite way |
| 00:45.19 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 00:45.25 | Exit83 | hi null |
| 00:45.26 | _gentgeen_ | shingouz, what is the change nick command, I foget |
| 00:45.28 | _gentgeen_ | forget |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | _gentgeen_: the other dri secgtion |
| 00:45.34 | Exit83 | type /nick |
| 00:45.37 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: /nick newnick |
| 00:45.39 | error403 | am i right in saying ftp.?.debian.org are the best sources to have? |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | Section "DRI" |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | EndSection |
| 00:45.44 | abrotman | for example |
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| 00:45.48 | error403 | heh |
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| 00:45.52 | error403 | could see that coming |
| 00:45.54 | Exit83 | error403: i dont use em :d |
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| 00:45.56 | abrotman | fucking christ |
| 00:45.59 | shingouz | whoops :) |
| 00:45.59 | dvs | abrotman: flooder! ;-) |
| 00:46.01 | abrotman | i only pasted 3! |
| 00:46.02 | error403 | Exit83, what you use? |
| 00:46.07 | mmmmm | abrotman, nope, almost certain I don't. |
| 00:46.11 | shingouz | !lart abrotman for flood |
| 00:46.12 | scar` | error403, well, I dont use them |
| 00:46.15 | shingouz | ;) |
| 00:46.17 | ghost17 | !ping |
| 00:46.18 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:46.18 | abrotman | it was ONLY 3!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:46.19 | Guerin | abrotman: 4 lines in 3 seconds |
| 00:46.19 | mmmmm | but through all the howto's i've read I've got everything I need. |
| 00:46.20 | nullvoid | I cannot do : mysqladmin -u db_user -p create Mambo : but I only can : mysqladmin -u root -p create Mambo : why? |
| 00:46.22 | binaryc | never expected to see you get the boot abrotman, no one is above debhelper i suppose ! |
| 00:46.25 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. i type fast |
| 00:46.27 | dvs | abrotman: It's four from here |
| 00:46.28 | gpm | hey, anyone know what's up with marillat's repo? there's no pool directory.... |
| 00:46.29 | Exit83 | error403: wait i was wrong i think, hold on, gonna look at my soruces.list |
| 00:46.32 | abrotman | shit happens |
| 00:46.35 | abrotman | dvs: i typed the last :) |
| 00:46.37 | error403 | heh |
| 00:46.51 | abrotman | binaryc: i've seen greycat get nailed |
| 00:46.53 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 00:46.55 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 00:46.56 | abrotman | not like that |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | sickos |
| 00:46.58 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, yep, at the end got it |
| 00:46.59 | error403 | lol |
| 00:46.59 | Exit83 | deb ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 00:46.59 | Exit83 | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 00:46.59 | Exit83 | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main |
| 00:47.05 | Exit83 | thats my sources |
| 00:47.09 | shingouz | gentgeen__: thanks man :D |
| 00:47.09 | error403 | right |
| 00:47.12 | abrotman | gentgeen__: did you ask #dri ? |
| 00:47.17 | sprink | I ran XFree86 -xf86config XFreeConfig.new and my terminal outputed garbage. anyway I can get my terminal back to normal without rebooting? |
| 00:47.23 | dvs | Exit83: The third line is definately out of place |
| 00:47.27 | binaryc | abrotman- that is a log worth posting somewhere |
| 00:47.32 | Exit83 | dvs i know |
| 00:47.39 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, did not know it was there, will check |
| 00:47.40 | abrotman | sprink: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:47.43 | Exit83 | dvs i keep forgetting to delete it |
| 00:47.46 | gentgeen__ | shingouz, no prob :-) |
| 00:47.48 | shingouz | sprink: wtf are you trying to do there with those commands? |
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| 00:47.54 | error403 | thanks for your help Exit83, nanok and pipeline and other, but im off to sleep |
| 00:48.03 | shingouz | !tell sprink about xmd5sum |
| 00:48.06 | abrotman | mmmmm: do you always use the same config ? |
| 00:48.10 | Exit83 | error403: sleep tight and god luck |
| 00:48.14 | ghost17 | hmm |
| 00:48.26 | shingouz | !tell sprink about drxx |
| 00:48.30 | Exit83 | dvs is there anything else i could use instead |
| 00:48.31 | ghost17 | i just found a site how to crash windows xp with 3 lines of html... very scary |
| 00:48.41 | abrotman | ghost17: old news |
| 00:48.42 | mmmmm | abrotman, no I am creating a new config to use now and that's why I'm having all the problems |
| 00:48.44 | abrotman | very old news |
| 00:48.45 | dvs | Exit83: No, just delete that line (or comment it out) |
| 00:48.45 | Exit83 | dvs guess not seeing as i use unstable sources |
| 00:48.50 | abrotman | mmmmm: ah .. ok |
| 00:48.52 | shingouz | sprink: and to get the terminal back, try typing 'reset' in it |
| 00:48.52 | Bogus8 | how do you get nano to put out numbers instead of letters when using the num pad? |
| 00:48.53 | mmmmm | I usually start from scratch which is what I should have done. |
| 00:48.55 | ghost17 | acutally it doesnt work on linux |
| 00:48.58 | mmmmm | but I started with the debian config file |
| 00:49.00 | abrotman | mmmmm: so what doesn't work ? |
| 00:49.01 | nanok | sprink: type "reset" and return |
| 00:49.02 | mmmmm | and jsut modified it. |
| 00:49.10 | mmmmm | USB flash floppy thingy |
| 00:49.14 | Exit83 | lol |
| 00:49.16 | nanok | sprink: if you'r lucky, it will get back to normal :) |
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| 00:49.19 | Exit83 | usb flash floppy thing :d |
| 00:49.21 | abrotman | you mean .. usb storage device ? |
| 00:49.22 | sprink | that worked :) |
| 00:49.25 | mmmmm | yah |
| 00:49.27 | abrotman | mmmmm: and what about it doesn't work ? |
| 00:49.28 | mmmmm | I guess that's a goot name. |
| 00:49.33 | Exit83 | hehehe |
| 00:49.38 | mmmmm | /dev/sda1 is not seen as a valid device. |
| 00:49.43 | cddesjarisback | anyone know what this error means and how to alleviate it |
| 00:49.44 | cddesjarisback | debian:/home/chris# firefox |
| 00:49.45 | cddesjarisback | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 00:49.45 | cddesjarisback | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 00:49.45 | Exit83 | thats scsi |
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| 00:49.45 | abrotman | is it ? |
| 00:49.49 | Exit83 | os sata |
| 00:49.51 | shingouz | sprink: then take a close look at the factoids from dpkg and you are a hell of a lot happier |
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| 00:50.04 | Exit83 | mmmmm: sda is scsi devices or saat |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | !prize Exit83 |
| 00:50.15 | Exit83 | mmmmm: sata* |
| 00:50.26 | Exit83 | abrotman: thx :) |
| 00:50.26 | binaryc | <form><input type crash></form> |
| 00:50.30 | abrotman | mmmmm: did you compile them in .. or as modules ? |
| 00:50.33 | ghost17 | when using usb drives u use /dev/sda1 |
| 00:50.38 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:50.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:50.41 | abrotman | ghost17: and not always |
| 00:50.42 | mmmmm | uh I can't remember, I believe there compiled in. |
| 00:50.51 | Exit83 | ghost17: really?? hmm learned something new |
| 00:50.55 | mmmmm | the usb storage devices uses scsi emulation though, that's why they end up as /dev/sda*( |
| 00:50.56 | ghost17 | ya, my card reader works that way @abrotman |
| 00:50.57 | abrotman | where did the flooder go ? |
| 00:51.00 | abrotman | ghost17: but not all do |
| 00:51.13 | dvs | abrotman: Same place you did ;-) |
| 00:51.31 | abrotman | dvs: he didn't come back |
| 00:51.35 | mmmmm | USB support is static |
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| 00:51.41 | abrotman | but when he doesn't .. tell the dipstick to stop running crap as root |
| 00:51.53 | mmmmm | SCSI disk+emultion is too |
| 00:51.54 | shingouz | mmmmm: make it a module, don't use static unless you really need it |
| 00:52.02 | Exit83 | abrotman: running crap as root is cool :p |
| 00:52.03 | abrotman | mmmmm: have you ever .. compiled it in before .. |
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| 00:52.13 | dvs | !tell cddesjarisback -about flood |
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| 00:52.17 | mmmmm | I do need it to boot the system |
| 00:52.17 | abrotman | !rootsmite Exit83 |
| 00:52.18 | shingouz | abrotman: i doubt it a bit |
| 00:52.23 | gpm | hey, anyone know what's up with marillat's repo? there's no pool directory.... |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | but when he doesn't .. tell the dipstick to stop running crap as root |
| 00:52.23 | mmmmm | yes I have, and never had a problem. |
| 00:52.35 | shingouz | mmmmm: i am guessing you will have a headache with it |
| 00:52.38 | bluefox83 | Exit83, you're one of those people who thinks windows is cool aren't you? |
| 00:52.51 | binaryc | what other things can be smited |
| 00:52.56 | binaryc | !beersmite binaryc |
| 00:52.58 | Exit83 | bluefox83: :o what makes you think it isnt? |
| 00:53.10 | bluefox83 | Exit83, because it sucks ass |
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| 00:53.24 | binaryc | wow, no way that one worked !, where can i learn about all these nifty things dpkg does ? |
| 00:53.33 | ghost17 | !help |
| 00:53.35 | Exit83 | bluefox83: ;) |
| 00:53.45 | bluefox83 | Exit83, it's design is inherantly dangerous and unstable |
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| 00:53.53 | paster | "cddesjarisback" at 216.207.146.50 pasted "Firefox won't load" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/200 |
| 00:53.55 | ghost17 | !commands |
| 00:54.03 | Exit83 | bluefox83: sadly, my bank doesnt admit that windows sucks ass |
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| 00:54.04 | abrotman | cddesjarisback: stop running crap as root .. |
| 00:54.10 | monsoon | hi |
| 00:54.16 | Exit83 | bluefox83: so i n-still need it for my pc banking :( |
| 00:54.18 | cddesjarisback | i'm not logged in as root |
| 00:54.22 | cddesjarisback | http://channels.debian.net/paste/200 |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | cddesjarisback: your terminal is |
| 00:54.23 | pureone | exit83 not many people will |
| 00:54.31 | monsoon | Im going to install pure64 sid, could someone recommend how to proceed in this case with gcc? (as far 3.3 vs 3.4) I am goiing to need ndiswrapper/nvidia kernel modules installed... |
| 00:54.34 | binaryc | !commands |
| 00:54.39 | abrotman | cddesjarisback: does it say "# firefox" ? |
| 00:54.40 | cddesjarisback | this is what i get when run firefox as regular user |
| 00:54.42 | kelan | ghost17, binaryc: help works, but you have to /msg dpkg |
| 00:54.52 | gpm | should i wait until gnome gets fully into sid or should i use experimental packages? |
| 00:54.54 | bluefox83 | Exit83, then you need to change banks because they're asking to have your information and money stolen |
| 00:54.58 | abrotman | cddesjarisback: double check |
| 00:55.00 | Exit83 | pureone: its sad that so many developpers are still making windows only aps :( |
| 00:55.00 | cddesjarisback | yes |
| 00:55.03 | kelan | its spammy so it wont do it to the channel |
| 00:55.04 | ghost17 | where can i find x? |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | cddesjarisback: whoami |
| 00:55.13 | cddesjarisback | whoops |
| 00:55.14 | cddesjarisback | sorry |
| 00:55.19 | ghost17 | kelan, it msged me after typing help |
| 00:55.19 | abrotman | !lose cddesjarisback |
| 00:55.20 | dpkg | cddesjarisback: You Lose. |
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| 00:55.25 | kelan | ah |
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| 00:55.29 | ghost17 | !win ghost17 |
| 00:55.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, ghost17! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
| 00:55.31 | cddesjarisback | ok you guys got me |
| 00:55.34 | ghost17 | yeah |
| 00:55.37 | OBGurl | lol I'm doing a clean install of sarge. It loads off the CD, select a language, etc.... it trys to detect/mount the cd-rom and fails! What the hell?! |
| 00:55.37 | Exit83 | bluefox83: i need IE to get my COM device working, i need that to slide my bank card in and form my code, i think its pretty secure |
| 00:55.51 | cddesjarisback | thanks |
| 00:55.52 | monsoon | bucky, are you about? |
| 00:55.53 | ghost17 | OBGurl: what language did u select? |
| 00:55.57 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:55.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:55.59 | pureone | windows makes the most money |
| 00:56.00 | OBGurl | US english |
| 00:56.01 | bluefox83 | Exit83, anything that requires IE is inherantly insecure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:56.13 | abrotman | bluefox83: shut up |
| 00:56.22 | bluefox83 | abrotman, no |
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| 00:56.27 | pureone | and im sure microsoft pay off people to make stuff only for them |
| 00:56.30 | ghost17 | hmm, i had the same problem when choosing german lang @obgurl |
| 00:56.31 | abrotman | bluefox83: /j #linux-advocacy |
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| 00:56.41 | Exit83 | bluefox83: seeing as how my pc banking works, the only thing safer would be to go to the bank itself |
| 00:57.02 | Milhouse | I hear debian guys like fat chicks |
| 00:57.05 | ghost17 | ive chosen english lang. and then made netinstall @obgurl |
| 00:57.06 | OBGurl | ghost17 english isn't supported? :P |
| 00:57.11 | abrotman | Milhouse: just chicks |
| 00:57.14 | Exit83 | Milhouse i like you too |
| 00:57.20 | cddesjarisback | can i use apt-get as a regular user? |
| 00:57.21 | Exit83 | Milhouse: how about that |
| 00:57.23 | Milhouse | :) |
| 00:57.26 | abrotman | cddesjarisback: no .. |
| 00:57.28 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: no |
| 00:57.31 | cddesjarisback | i didn't think so |
| 00:57.37 | pureone | whats wrong with fat chicks?.... |
| 00:57.37 | TiMOiD | anyone know of how to get sasl2 + sendmail working in a box from woody to sarge |
| 00:57.41 | ghost17 | try avoiding an install from cdrom @obgurl |
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| 00:57.51 | Wyzard | cddesjar: You can use it for some functions (like getting source packages), but not to install packages |
| 00:57.52 | cddesjarisback | apt-get is great |
| 00:57.53 | Milhouse | pureone- nothing, accept they sweat gravy |
| 00:57.56 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.02 | Exit83 | pureone you get more woman |
| 00:58.13 | Exit83 | Milhouse: gravy is good |
| 00:58.18 | OBGurl | ghost17 Umm.. how else would I install then?! |
| 00:58.21 | bluefox83 | mmm..gravy :D |
| 00:58.26 | ghost17 | netinstall @obgurl |
| 00:58.38 | Wyzard | cddesjarisback: Actually, I think getting source packages is the *only* thing non-root users can do with apt-get |
| 00:58.47 | Guerin | you lot can aall /j #never-been-with-a-woman-but-can-pretend |
| 00:59.00 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 00:59.01 | ghost17 | obgurl: set up a network with a router then chose netinstall (install from ftp) and there it goes |
| 00:59.02 | abrotman | Guerin: really ? |
| 00:59.04 | Exit83 | Guerin: and you as channel admin??? |
| 00:59.18 | abrotman | wait .. are we going to question guerin's sex life .. agian ? |
| 00:59.27 | Exit83 | abrotman: hehehe |
| 00:59.29 | ghost17 | OBGurl, it maybe takes u 3 or 4 hours but its very up-to-date then |
| 00:59.45 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:59.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:59.47 | ghost17 | OBGurl, thats how i did and it worked since u can see me being online ;) |
| 00:59.50 | xzgv | OBGurl: netinstall cd is 105 MB, it worked fine for me in spanish |
| 00:59.53 | abrotman | !tell ghost17 about u |
| 01:00.03 | Exit83 | xzgv mini netinstall is 8 mb |
| 01:00.06 | Milhouse | in sshd config is this the proper sytax |
| 01:00.08 | ariel | hi guys, who can help me enabling sensors, in order to make "No sensors Found!" message go away |
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| 01:00.18 | ghost17 | lol abrotman |
| 01:00.22 | abrotman | ghost17: it's not funny |
| 01:00.29 | xzgv | Exit83: hehe |
| 01:00.35 | Milhouse | "AllowUsers steven rob" or "AllowUsers steven,rob" |
| 01:00.40 | Exit83 | xzgv i use it, its handy :d |
| 01:00.46 | Guerin | Milhouse: man ssh |
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| 01:01.02 | fitzzz | off topic but anyone know whats the canadian equivalent of an usa 'college degree' ? |
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| 01:01.11 | abrotman | a college degree |
| 01:01.13 | ghost17 | ya sorry, my english's not the best and i just like compact information |
| 01:01.17 | Exit83 | fitzzz: university?? |
| 01:01.17 | Milhouse | fitzz - A high school diploma |
| 01:01.22 | abrotman | u is not compact .. it's idiotic |
| 01:01.23 | fitzzz | jeez ... |
| 01:01.29 | binaryc | has any one ever thought to give dpkg a day off and see how chaotic this channel can become ? |
| 01:01.40 | abrotman | binaryc: he used to be crashy |
| 01:01.42 | Guerin | Milhouse: ++ |
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| 01:01.57 | fitzzz | here we have something know as 'cegep' |
| 01:02.00 | fitzzz | i wonder if its the same thing |
| 01:02.00 | binaryc | abrotman- now he is just bitchy and quick witted at times |
| 01:02.10 | abrotman | binaryc: no .. he used to disappear for hours |
| 01:02.19 | abrotman | which is why ravenbird is here |
| 01:02.35 | Exit83 | abrotman: is he the backup bot? |
| 01:02.37 | ghost17 | btw, anyone of "you" is programing in java? |
| 01:02.46 | abrotman | Exit83: one of them |
| 01:02.51 | shingouz | ariel: i know pretty much nothing about lmsensors but in anycase, you are not planning on setting up the sensors on a Thinkpad, are you? |
| 01:02.55 | Exit83 | abrotman: handy |
| 01:03.39 | binaryc | good thing we have backup bots, imagine mocking people manually, what a hassle it would be |
| 01:03.49 | abrotman | it's easy .. watch |
| 01:03.58 | pureone | haha |
| 01:04.00 | Exit83 | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:04.08 | Exit83 | abrotman: i bt you would enjoy that |
| 01:04.14 | Exit83 | abrotman: bet* |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | Guerin: God .. you're so fucking stupid .. i'd send you to visit my mom if i didn't thikn you'd sleep with the old bag! |
| 01:04.25 | ghost17 | ? |
| 01:04.29 | Exit83 | lol |
| 01:04.29 | resiak | abrotman: You're a total fucking moron. I hate you. I want to murder you in your sleep. |
| 01:04.34 | ariel | pitillo: thank you, I'll read it. |
| 01:04.38 | abrotman | resiak: can we have sex first ? |
| 01:04.46 | Exit83 | hehehe |
| 01:05.23 | binaryc | <--- ducks and covers after accdentily starting flame war ! |
| 01:05.23 | mango | abrotman: you're sick |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | resiak: how many times do i have to tell you .. you're the catcher .. i'm the pitcher |
| 01:05.23 | Guerin | abrotman: i just pity you for still living in her basement. How's that case of crabs coming along... man, I never knew a human could get crabs from a goat. |
| 01:05.23 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You don't love me anymore!?!?!?!one!!!111111???one!! |
| 01:05.23 | Exit83 | Ahahaha |
| 01:05.24 | ariel | shingouz: sorry, but I dunno he meaning of "thinkpad", what is it? |
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| 01:05.25 | resiak | !thinkpd |
| 01:05.27 | resiak | !thinkpad |
| 01:05.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, thinkpad is one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. |
| 01:05.30 | Milhouse | this debian channel rocks |
| 01:05.34 | Exit83 | abrotman: never heard that one |
| 01:05.38 | binaryc | !tp |
| 01:05.38 | dpkg | Think Pad, or known as Toilet Paper |
| 01:05.41 | shingouz | ariel: IBM laptop |
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| 01:05.57 | Exit83 | i need tp for my bunghole |
| 01:06.08 | shingouz | Exit83: thanks for sharing |
| 01:06.11 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: I'll have your babies |
| 01:06.16 | Milhouse | Where is a good place to get good cheap entry level servers? ..besides dell ... so far I'm going with a dell |
| 01:06.19 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Yay!! |
| 01:06.25 | Exit83 | shingouz: grew up with beavis and butthead |
| 01:06.27 | abrotman | dpkg: get scarynetworkguy and resiak a room |
| 01:06.30 | Exit83 | shingouz: couldt hellp it |
| 01:06.33 | Langly | Milhouse how good of a server do you need |
| 01:06.35 | shingouz | Exit83: and it shows :p |
| 01:06.39 | Exit83 | shingouz: couldn't help it |
| 01:07.01 | binaryc | ive heard #gaylinuxcybers is open for them |
| 01:07.06 | Exit83 | shingouz: yeah, its sad you know, im one of th efew beavis and butthead fans alive in Belgium i think :( |
| 01:07.14 | shingouz | heh |
| 01:07.21 | Milhouse | langly - I'm going to use it as a webserver. It will be running two postnuke site, each with about 5-10 users on at a time and another website that gets about 1000 gig a month downloaded off it. |
| 01:07.41 | Guerin | oh god, postnuke |
| 01:07.42 | Langly | shouldnt need much power for that |
| 01:07.49 | Langly | unless postnuke usesalot |
| 01:07.58 | nanok | Exit83: was there a wide spread disease that killed most of them?.. :) |
| 01:08.00 | Milhouse | it uses a fair bit |
| 01:08.04 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Hush. I need root on another box. |
| 01:08.18 | nanok | s/thme/you |
| 01:08.19 | shingouz | nanok: no, they just imitated their favorite series |
| 01:08.20 | binaryc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.24 | nanok | *sorry* |
| 01:08.40 | nanok | shingouz: uh..that would explain a lot.. :P |
| 01:08.49 | shingouz | nanok: exactly |
| 01:08.49 | Exit83 | nanok: seeing as beavis and butthead is early nineties and tv addicts were not as common as these days, i dont think a lotf of ppls spent their days watching MTV when B&B came on |
| 01:08.50 | Langly | Milhouse will you need scsi raid for extra drive access speed and backup and such for that level of donwloading |
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| 01:09.11 | nullvoid | when I try to point my browser to the page it prompt me to download phtml file, how to fix this? |
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| 01:09.29 | abrotman | nullvoid: is it your webserver ? |
| 01:09.33 | Langly | with 5-10 users downloading fast, the file access seek, and head movement could become a pain |
| 01:09.40 | Milhouse | langly - I plan to use two sata drives with software raid |
| 01:09.46 | scarynetworkguy | "the page"? |
| 01:09.47 | Milhouse | THis is what I had my eye on http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=ca&CS=CABSDT1&l=en&oc=OCPEDGE420SC_FEAT_Q2W5 |
| 01:09.52 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: heh |
| 01:09.53 | abrotman | !dell sucks |
| 01:09.56 | abrotman | !dell |
| 01:09.56 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap |
| 01:10.10 | Exit83 | lol |
| 01:10.13 | Guerin | haha, wonderful |
| 01:10.16 | Langly | dell does suck in many ways |
| 01:10.18 | Exit83 | dell makes good TFT's though |
| 01:10.23 | Exit83 | but otherwise :( |
| 01:10.25 | Guerin | dell doesn't make tfts |
| 01:10.37 | shingouz | maybe that is why they are good |
| 01:10.42 | abrotman | dell doesn't make anything good |
| 01:10.45 | Langly | whats a good laptop 1+ghz with a 10" or smaller screen |
| 01:10.51 | Exit83 | Guerin: yes it does, TFT is a kind of LCD screen |
| 01:10.57 | abrotman | Exit83: no .. they don't make those |
| 01:10.58 | Langly | i want something nice small and light not some massive 15" tft |
| 01:11.00 | abrotman | they brand them |
| 01:11.02 | pipeline | Langly: IBM X31/X40/X41 |
| 01:11.04 | shingouz | Exit83: i think we know what a tft is |
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| 01:11.13 | Guerin | Exit83: i know this. I live in the country where all those tft screens come from. And that country is not Austin, TX. |
| 01:11.14 | Exit83 | okay |
| 01:11.15 | pipeline | Langly: About $1500, approx. 2-2.5 lbs |
| 01:11.15 | Exit83 | let me rephrase |
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| 01:11.23 | Exit83 | they brand good TFT's |
| 01:11.25 | ariel | pitillo: thank you so much, It works great! |
| 01:11.26 | Guerin | woo |
| 01:11.28 | abrotman | dell sucks |
| 01:11.30 | binaryc | i love my dell 1801fp lcd, |
| 01:11.38 | Exit83 | they are good |
| 01:11.38 | Guerin | wow, branding makes a company good |
| 01:11.44 | abrotman | i'd rather dell just get bought by MS .. then we can have all the crap in one box |
| 01:11.45 | Langly | IBM needs to bring back the butterfly keyboard |
| 01:11.46 | Exit83 | no, the TFT's are good |
| 01:11.48 | cddesjarisback | what kind of packages do i need to unzip .bz2 and .gz tarballs? |
| 01:11.50 | shingouz | Exit83: but they do not make them which is the reason the "dell" tfts are good |
| 01:11.52 | nullvoid | abrotman: yes |
| 01:11.53 | pitillo | ariel, nothig man =) |
| 01:11.54 | Guerin | Exit83: buy direct from samsung. |
| 01:12.02 | abrotman | nullvoid: why are you using .phtml ? |
| 01:12.05 | Exit83 | Guerin are they samsung tfts?? |
| 01:12.11 | Guerin | Exit83: almost certainly. |
| 01:12.15 | spencerk | i just installed sarge and the colours are all dotted, does that mean my videocard wasnt recognized? |
| 01:12.16 | Milhouse | any opinions on that server I suggested? What would happen if in the future I wanted to use it as a regular machine to play games on. |
| 01:12.16 | shingouz | Langly: that is why i still have my tp 701 here ;) |
| 01:12.19 | Exit83 | Guerin good to know |
| 01:12.19 | Langly | IBM x series is 12" screen it seems |
| 01:12.19 | nullvoid | abrotman: I am trying to setup mambo |
| 01:12.36 | binaryc | i would buy direct from samsung, but the dell screen stannds are nice aswell |
| 01:12.38 | Langly | shingouz yeah, i want something that size, or close to it but newer |
| 01:12.38 | abrotman | nullvoid: you need to configure apache to serve .phtml pages like it serves .php pages |
| 01:12.47 | abrotman | god .. |
| 01:12.50 | abrotman | they're all idiots ... |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | never EVER buy dell |
| 01:12.55 | nanok | spencerk: it prolly means 8bpp :) |
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| 01:13.09 | shingouz | Langly: good luck is about what i can say. they all seem to have some monstrous screen these days |
| 01:13.12 | abrotman | you're just subsidizing MS and Intel and every other fucking evil company alive |
| 01:13.12 | Exit83 | binaryc viewsonic makes very good TFT's |
| 01:13.27 | Exit83 | binaryc and they are cheap as hell |
| 01:13.43 | Langly | this would be close, but i dont like touchpads, i want touchpoint http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=VGNT350P%2fS&Dept=computers&CategoryName=cpu_VAIONotebookComputers_TSeries |
| 01:13.44 | sprink | still no mouse :( |
| 01:13.57 | Guerin | god, and never buy sony |
| 01:13.59 | Langly | has a 10.6" screen |
| 01:14.01 | Guerin | man |
| 01:14.01 | abrotman | Langly: buy IBM |
| 01:14.08 | Guerin | do people have NAY idea these days? |
| 01:14.12 | Langly | Im only using that as a size example |
| 01:14.13 | Exit83 | Guerin overpriced :( |
| 01:14.15 | shingouz | Langly: IBM in that case |
| 01:14.17 | abrotman | Guerin: ANY ? |
| 01:14.17 | nullvoid | abrotman: I got apache-perl and apache2 installed, how to know which one is running, does both run? |
| 01:14.19 | spencerk | nanok: Bounded-error, Probabilistic, Polynomial time? |
| 01:14.27 | spencerk | whats bpp8 |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | nullvoid: .phtml are php pages |
| 01:14.30 | Langly | how is toshiba nowadays |
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| 01:14.41 | abrotman | Langly: wrong channel |
| 01:14.42 | Guerin | sony make toys. Buy sony if you want to look cool to the other kidsand nothing else. |
| 01:14.44 | Exit83 | nullvoid ps aux | grep apache |
| 01:14.49 | scarynetworkguy | Langly: They are not IBM. |
| 01:14.55 | scarynetworkguy | Keep up at the back there, natch. |
| 01:14.58 | nanok | spencerk: bits per pixel..? |
| 01:15.07 | Exit83 | Guerin Minidisc is cool though |
| 01:15.08 | binaryc | ehh who needs a monitor anyway, i do everything hedless, including my dist-upgrade which borked gnome in sid by the way ! |
| 01:15.10 | Milhouse | langly - the customer service doesn't speak english but other than that I've had no probs with my toshiba |
| 01:15.15 | Guerin | Exit83: no, minidisc is utter shit. |
| 01:15.18 | binaryc | headless* |
| 01:15.21 | spencerk | ah, how do i change bit per pixel? |
| 01:15.33 | Exit83 | Guerin why is that, i sometimes do PA and its very easy to record |
| 01:15.48 | nanok | Guerin: oh, no, pls, dont say minidisc..i am going to through up.. |
| 01:15.59 | Exit83 | Guerin there is no equally simple and as good system that i knowof |
| 01:16.00 | abrotman | minidisc is dead |
| 01:16.02 | shingouz | nanok: not in here |
| 01:16.10 | Exit83 | abrotman: nope, they know support mp3 |
| 01:16.12 | gravity | spencerk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree85 |
| 01:16.20 | gravity | spencerk: Make that 86 |
| 01:16.26 | scarynetworkguy | Exit83: Can I play it on my Debian box, my OpenBSD box, my car, my DVD player, and the portable CD player I keep on my desk at work? |
| 01:16.27 | Guerin | Exit83: the units are overpriced, the sound quality is appalling, it's hardware and format lock-in, and they break easily. |
| 01:16.28 | abrotman | Exit83: how many minidisc devices are planned for release in the next six months ? |
| 01:16.29 | spencerk | thanks |
| 01:16.38 | cddesjarisback | how do install a .deb file |
| 01:16.41 | nanok | shingouz: yes, i agree.. allthough.. i do hate sony :) |
| 01:16.43 | nanok | ok |
| 01:16.45 | cddesjarisback | dpkg install filename |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | cddesjarisback: man dpkg |
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| 01:17.05 | binaryc | what minidisks are dead ! the guy at the second hand electronics shop told me they were brand new technology and would surely be the ipod killer ! |
| 01:17.05 | cddesjarisback | ok |
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| 01:17.19 | Guerin | don't get me started on ipod |
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| 01:17.23 | Guerin | please |
| 01:17.27 | sussudio | Exit83 forgot rule #1 of "How not to be seen" |
| 01:17.27 | Exit83 | Guerin ipod sucks |
| 01:17.29 | gravity | Needs ogg |
| 01:17.46 | shingouz | binaryc: and you believe him? i can get you a good deal on the eiffel tower |
| 01:17.49 | Exit83 | BBQ |
| 01:17.50 | spencerk | does xchat not come built with sarge? |
| 01:17.51 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: WORD!! |
| 01:17.58 | gravity | spencerk: You install it |
| 01:18.00 | shingouz | spencerk: install it |
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| 01:18.08 | gravity | Welcome to power |
| 01:18.09 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, are you available? |
| 01:18.09 | spencerk | apt-get install xchat? |
| 01:18.10 | Exit83 | spencerk: install it |
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| 01:18.13 | Guerin | ipod would be great if 1) it could play some decent formats 2) it didn't rely on itunes 3) a user could freely move files to/from it |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | spencerk: apt-cache search xchat |
| 01:18.19 | gravity | spencerk: Yeah, or just use aptitude |
| 01:18.21 | nvz | speaking of blowing up bushes, a local man could face $250,000 fine and 5 years for threating the president.. was in the paper today |
| 01:18.24 | Guerin | so, in other words, if it was nothing like an ipod |
| 01:18.24 | spencerk | ah thanks |
| 01:18.26 | Borg^Queen | Hey people. I'm trying to use rezound to record and I get this error |
| 01:18.30 | binaryc | shingouz- you too, that would be great, and when space travel is availbable i will take you to visit the property on mars i bought |
| 01:18.31 | Exit83 | Gein if it wasnt overpriced |
| 01:18.34 | Borg^Queen | Error occurred while initializing audio output method 'oss' -- virtual void COSSSoundPlayer::initialize() -- error opening OSS device '/dev/dsp -- No such file or directory |
| 01:18.38 | Exit83 | Guerin: if it wasnt overpriced |
| 01:18.42 | Guerin | Exit83: and if it wasn't crapple |
| 01:18.50 | Borg^Queen | I have a SB Audigy, its working. |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | anything with an apple logo is overpriced |
| 01:18.55 | Borg^Queen | I'm running Sarge |
| 01:19.04 | Exit83 | Guerin: hehehe, there are other mp3 players for the same money that are better |
| 01:19.08 | Langly | Is there any way to get a ibm latop for less by not getting thier OEM windows with it, or is that the damned windows tax forced on you |
| 01:19.16 | shingouz | binaryc: i wasn't going to buy the tower, i was planning on selling it to you |
| 01:19.17 | Guerin | Exit83: i know. |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | Langly: call them and ask them |
| 01:19.43 | nanok | Langly: yeah, good point.. |
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| 01:19.48 | nullvoid | abrotman: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml <---- apache-perl http.conf |
| 01:19.50 | Exit83 | Guerin still using my creative jukebox, the very first one :p |
| 01:19.58 | nullvoid | abrotman: is't correct? |
| 01:19.59 | nanok | Langly: i think you can get them to ship linux on it, though.. |
| 01:20.00 | binaryc | shingouz- meaning you own it ...... hence you must have purchased it ( : P ) |
| 01:20.05 | abrotman | nullvoid: not quite .. might want to ask #php |
| 01:20.06 | Disney-- | dont we have a kernel-image for 2.6.11 em64t-p4-smp in the sarge sources ? |
| 01:20.13 | gravity | Disney--: No |
| 01:20.19 | nanok | Langly: allthough i am sure you will pay something for thatone too :) |
| 01:20.20 | gravity | Disney--: Sarge released with 2.6.8 |
| 01:20.21 | Borg^Queen | anyone? |
| 01:20.27 | Disney-- | gravity: thx |
| 01:20.44 | shingouz | binaryc: i never mentioned i owned it, i just said that i can get a real good deal for you on it |
| 01:20.45 | gravity | (a heavily patched 2.6.8) |
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| 01:21.01 | nanok | Borg^Queen: if you are using oss, it will only let the sound card device be accessed once at a time |
| 01:21.02 | Borg^Queen | gravity: is it good? |
| 01:21.09 | nanok | by one process at a time that is |
| 01:21.14 | Borg^Queen | nanok: not using oss |
| 01:21.21 | nanok | ah |
| 01:21.23 | gravity | Borg^Queen: The Sarge kernel? It didn't work so well for me in sid, but that's a different story |
| 01:21.28 | nanok | sorry, no such device |
| 01:21.35 | SDFH_Linux | whats the fasteste windowmanager for debian? |
| 01:21.40 | SDFH_Linux | gui |
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| 01:21.42 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: twm |
| 01:21.48 | Exit83 | SDFH_Linux: fluxbox? |
| 01:21.49 | gravity | Although I doubt you'll like it much |
| 01:21.54 | Borg^Queen | gravity: I'll tell you want, I'll test it and get back to you |
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| 01:21.59 | Exit83 | SDFH_Linux: nevermind |
| 01:22.00 | binaryc | anyone have any prediction on when gnome will be completly in sid ? |
| 01:22.02 | shingouz | Borg^Queen: do you still have the install kernel on the box or is there a real kernel in place already? |
| 01:22.06 | Exit83 | SDFH_Linux: im tired i make mistakes |
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| 01:22.12 | chaps0063 | can anyone give me a hand getting dvds to play? |
| 01:22.20 | Milhouse | OT: what happens if you wanna use a server as a regular computer for games and stuff like that? |
| 01:22.21 | Exit83 | chaps0063: i can try :d |
| 01:22.21 | shingouz | !tell chaps0063 about ask |
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| 01:22.24 | Borg^Queen | shingouz: fresh install with 2.6.11 running |
| 01:22.34 | chaps0063 | sorry shingouz. |
| 01:22.38 | Exit83 | Milhouse: if its godo enough, nothing |
| 01:22.47 | meppl | gute nacht - good night |
| 01:22.51 | chaps0063 | What application would you recommend to play dvds? |
| 01:22.52 | Exit83 | bye |
| 01:22.52 | shingouz | Milhouse: i use a couple for desktops. just a matter of what you stuff in there. of course they make a bit more noise |
| 01:22.53 | binaryc | Milhouse - well my regular computer runs as a server |
| 01:22.54 | Borg^Queen | GN |
| 01:23.04 | chaps0063 | shingouz, better? ;-) |
| 01:23.09 | shingouz | chaps0063: mplayer is good |
| 01:23.09 | Exit83 | chaps0063: for movies yes? mediaplayer |
| 01:23.16 | Exit83 | yeah mplayer |
| 01:23.19 | Borg^Queen | totem |
| 01:23.19 | shingouz | !tell chaps0063 about marillat |
| 01:23.24 | gravity | totem++ |
| 01:23.26 | Milhouse | shingouz - okay thats good then. |
| 01:23.31 | Exit83 | chaps0063: its the best i heard |
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| 01:23.42 | ethics | is there a command that works something like copy con in dos? ie open a file for direct input of text.... |
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| 01:23.54 | sussudio | ethics: cat? |
| 01:24.23 | Borg^Queen | so no idea about the rezound error? |
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| 01:24.37 | jim | Borg^QueenL BTS says? |
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| 01:24.44 | Exit83 | Borg^Queen: not really, it looks like an OSS fault |
| 01:24.52 | ethics | sussudio, i dont think so unless cat can allow for input.......its sorta like opening and then adding lines untill you exit out...... |
| 01:25.00 | Exit83 | Borg^Queen: when does the error occur? |
| 01:25.11 | jim | Borg^Queen: (if you read the /topic you will know to find out what the) BTS says? |
| 01:25.12 | ethics | i just want to stream the keystrokes to a text file |
| 01:25.29 | shingouz | ethics: echo? |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | sussudio: >> |
| 01:25.37 | Borg^Queen | Exit83: when I try to record is when the problem occures |
| 01:25.52 | Borg^Queen | However I see it at the terminal when I open rezound from there |
| 01:25.55 | binaryc | ethics - building a keylogger ? |
| 01:26.00 | shingouz | Borg^Queen: is that sound thing USB? |
| 01:26.23 | ethics | hmm echo may have an option...ill look |
| 01:26.27 | Borg^Queen | shingouz: Nope |
| 01:26.29 | Exit83 | binaryc i guess someone wants to find out some secret stuff :d |
| 01:26.30 | cddesjarisback | what is cups called as a package? |
| 01:26.32 | Borg^Queen | simple mic |
| 01:26.46 | Borg^Queen | cddesjarisback: cups |
| 01:26.48 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: cupsys |
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| 01:26.54 | cddesjarisback | ok |
| 01:26.55 | shingouz | Borg^Queen: good, i just had a nasty thought about usb sound recording, that's all |
| 01:27.01 | sparr_ | anyone around familiar with getting usbnet to work with a pda? |
| 01:27.02 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 01:27.08 | cddesjarisback | it's cupsys btw |
| 01:27.12 | shingouz | sparr_: ask |
| 01:27.17 | cddesjarisback | not cups |
| 01:27.19 | sparr_ | shingouz: ok... |
| 01:27.24 | sparr_ | how do i get usbnet to work with a pda? |
| 01:27.29 | shingouz | sparr_: not me, the channel |
| 01:27.33 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: but you need cupsys-client also if you are going to print from the ame computer |
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| 01:27.45 | cddesjarisback | does that come with cupsys? |
| 01:27.52 | cddesjarisback | or do i need to do cupsys-client as well? |
| 01:27.52 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: no |
| 01:27.57 | cddesjarisback | ok |
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| 01:28.08 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: apt-get install cupsys-client |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | !tell cddesjarisback about cups |
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| 01:28.14 | cddesjarisback | i like this package manager better than slackwares |
| 01:28.16 | ismael0312 | helo |
| 01:28.19 | shingouz | blech. i need caffeine and the morning paper |
| 01:28.21 | ismael0312 | help |
| 01:28.23 | sparr_ | cddesjarisback: dont we all |
| 01:28.26 | sparr_ | ismael0312: no |
| 01:28.26 | shingouz | !ask |
| 01:28.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 01:28.36 | ismael0312 | i'am peruvian |
| 01:28.37 | binaryc | shingouz - morning paper , where are you ? |
| 01:28.41 | Exit83 | lol |
| 01:28.43 | jim | cddesjarisback: could that be because debian actually -has- one? :) |
| 01:28.44 | ismael0312 | i'm peruvian |
| 01:28.48 | Exit83 | i need help, im peruvian |
| 01:28.53 | shingouz | binaryc: .fi |
| 01:28.54 | nanok | was that a confession? :P |
| 01:29.02 | ethics | shingouz, echo is close but i need it to handle carrage returns as i will be echoing multiple lines from one call. |
| 01:29.03 | Exit83 | lol sorry, thats sounded funny in my head |
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| 01:29.05 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:29.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:29.15 | abrotman | Exit83: lots of things you say sound funny |
| 01:29.24 | ethics | shingouz, i think im going to just have to use nano and manually save off |
| 01:29.27 | Exit83 | abrotman sadly :( |
| 01:29.33 | jim | maybe not in the comedy way :) |
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| 01:29.38 | derek | Can anyone suggest a website for setting up a DNS server? |
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| 01:29.45 | Exit83 | aboutdebian.org |
| 01:29.50 | Exit83 | derek: aboutdebian.org |
| 01:29.57 | derek | thanks |
| 01:29.58 | sprink | yes! I finally got X working with both my video cards and mouse :D |
| 01:30.00 | sprink | thanks for help |
| 01:30.02 | jim | derek: caching only? just install one of them |
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| 01:30.04 | binaryc | shingouz- eek it is 4:30 , what is wrong with you ! ? |
| 01:30.13 | jim | something else? go read DNS and BIND |
| 01:30.21 | shingouz | binaryc: a very good question that one |
| 01:30.36 | derek | jim: no, the bind one |
| 01:30.36 | Exit83 | derek: its a .COM not .ORG |
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| 01:30.44 | Exit83 | derek: sorry |
| 01:30.50 | derek | :) |
| 01:30.56 | abrotman | derek: read teh ARM |
| 01:31.00 | silverton | what is the package name for the core microsoft font pack? |
| 01:31.01 | Borg^Queen | Bloody hell, its artsd that's messing up rezound |
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| 01:31.07 | shingouz | the. paper. now. |
| 01:31.07 | Exit83 | msttcorefonts |
| 01:31.08 | jim | derek: do you have a domain you have auth over? |
| 01:31.11 | SDFH_Linux | hm i indstall fluxbox and nothing happens |
| 01:31.11 | silverton | thanks Exit83 |
| 01:31.15 | binaryc | i have to remember to cut people slack when they talk in paradox, i forget that they are up 4-6 hours later then I |
| 01:31.19 | Exit83 | no prob |
| 01:31.19 | jim | if yes, you need to read that |
| 01:31.32 | Exit83 | binaryc yeah, its 3:30 herze |
| 01:31.36 | jim | if no, you -might= need to read that :) |
| 01:31.36 | nullvoid | can apache-perl run php? |
| 01:31.40 | derek | many, been using zoneedit but im tired of them |
| 01:31.56 | MobyTurbo | 21:31 here - the night is just beginning |
| 01:31.58 | XI-Phazor | anyone use ndiswrapper with a gateway computer? (broadcom chipset) |
| 01:31.58 | abrotman | read the ARM! |
| 01:32.08 | abrotman | XI-Phazor: which broadcom ? |
| 01:32.15 | nanok | shingouz: i am so fucked up right now, i cant even start snownews and tell you "i got my paper.." |
| 01:32.17 | abrotman | derek: there's a whole bind ARM to read .. lots of good stuff |
| 01:32.18 | shingouz | binaryc: but i think i also wake up earlier so your question about my sleep schedule is still valid. i just cannot answer it as i do not know the reason myself |
| 01:32.25 | binaryc | So do you guys try to shape your schedules around United States time ? |
| 01:32.28 | derek | theres a .inc TLD? |
| 01:32.28 | shingouz | nanok: more caffeine |
| 01:32.30 | XI-Phazor | abrotman, bcm94306 |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | binaryc: i know i do! |
| 01:32.37 | nanok | shingouz: i think one should sleep once in a week or so.. |
| 01:32.37 | nullvoid | abrotman: I have apache-perl installed, how do I add php capabilities to it? |
| 01:32.42 | abrotman | XI-Phazor: lspci says what ? |
| 01:32.49 | nanok | shingouz: caffeine makes me sleepy.. :) |
| 01:32.50 | shingouz | nanok: i do. about once a week |
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| 01:32.53 | abrotman | nullvoid: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 01:33.01 | jim | binaryc: yeah... sometimes ;) and why not... I'm in the US! |
| 01:33.02 | abrotman | nullvoid: you have apache2 right ? |
| 01:33.07 | shingouz | (paper) |
| 01:33.15 | XI-Phazor | one sec im on my other comp, let me get my laptop over here |
| 01:33.38 | nanok | shingouz: oh, cool! and how is it? is it like..worth sleeping? i've heard many say it is, but none really trustworthy.. |
| 01:33.42 | nanok | :P |
| 01:33.56 | Azar | good evening |
| 01:33.58 | derek | shoot, now i have to set up a mail server too |
| 01:34.02 | Exit83 | hello azar |
| 01:34.02 | binaryc | jim- haha, yeah, i am off sometimes aswell, classmates claim that i don't sleep and only intake liquids |
| 01:34.07 | XI-Phazor | wow , abrotman , lspci dont have it i dont think... that can be a problem |
| 01:34.17 | abrotman | XI-Phazor: it damn well should |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5901 100Base-TX (rev 01) |
| 01:34.28 | abrotman | like that |
| 01:34.30 | Exit83 | i sleep during the day :/ |
| 01:34.33 | nullvoid | abrotman: yes and it's installed, but can't get it running |
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| 01:34.39 | XI-Phazor | maybe its cause i changed my bios settings abrotman |
| 01:34.46 | jim | derek: well mail servers like to have dns servers that are close... on the same machine is good |
| 01:34.55 | cddesjarisback | how do i use apt-get to install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:35.12 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: base kernel? |
| 01:35.16 | jim | cddesjarisback: you ought to read what's changed and what things you need |
| 01:35.22 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: standard debian kernel? |
| 01:35.25 | nanok | cddesjarisback: apt-get install the_2.6_kernel_image_you_want?.. |
| 01:35.30 | cddesjarisback | ok...i only know how to get a kernel off from kernel.org |
| 01:35.32 | jim | Docmentation/Changes |
| 01:35.35 | cddesjarisback | that's how i have done it in the past |
| 01:35.59 | jim | you run which dist now? |
| 01:36.02 | jim | and what kernel now? |
| 01:36.06 | abrotman | nullvoid: why not ? |
| 01:36.08 | Azar | with sarge, precompile kernels have changed a bit you should chose the one appropriate to your cpu from apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 01:36.18 | ethics | shingouz, sussudio : actually yeah i can do what i wanted using cat > filename thx susudio i understood cat to be similar to type in dos but it's both copy con and type hehe |
| 01:36.19 | nullvoid | abrotman: I also have uncomment the httpd.conf to handle php |
| 01:36.23 | abrotman | cddesjarisback: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 01:36.25 | cddesjarisback | i am running sarge...with a 2.4.x (i don't know) |
| 01:36.37 | Azar | for example I picked 2.6.8-2-k7 where k7 represents my athlon cpu |
| 01:36.37 | nullvoid | abrotman: but when I point the browser, it prompt to download it |
| 01:36.43 | jim | you can find x with uname -r |
| 01:36.53 | binaryc | anyone have any prediction on when gnome will be completly in sid ? |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | nullvoid: copy the line for .php .. and change it to .phtml |
| 01:37.04 | jim | (btw, x might be more than one char and contain a -) |
| 01:37.19 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: try using apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 01:37.37 | Exit83 | binaryc: a while ;) |
| 01:37.40 | Azar | cddesjarisback, it is a good idea to read the sarge release notes before commiting to a kernel upgrade |
| 01:37.41 | cddesjarisback | yeah i checked that out |
| 01:37.58 | Exit83 | binaryc but if you really are a package whore, just go to gnome.org and D/L it |
| 01:38.02 | jim | binaryc: you run sid? :) I hope you are helping to solve its problems... it's not very useful for anything else at this moment |
| 01:38.26 | cddesjarisback | azar: where do i find the documentation |
| 01:38.33 | binaryc | i use it to encounter problems and follow others solves, i think of it as a learning experience |
| 01:38.40 | Azar | cddesjarisback hold on I give you the link |
| 01:38.51 | cddesjarisback | ok |
| 01:38.54 | binaryc | i hope to one day become a guru, and let them put the electrodes on my genitals and use experimental |
| 01:38.57 | nullvoid | abrotman: it can't even handle .php |
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| 01:39.06 | jim | binaryc: you might encounter it first, so if you depend on others to solve, you might have to wait :P |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | nullvoid: then something is really wrong |
| 01:39.13 | jim | generally speaking, that is :) |
| 01:39.30 | Azar | cddesjarisback: http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-upgrade-to-2.6 |
| 01:39.32 | cddesjarisback | can't i have two kernels on my computer? |
| 01:39.41 | Exit83 | binaryc i bet you would really like it if someone put electrodes on your genitals |
| 01:40.02 | Azar | cddesjarisback yes but only one will be running |
| 01:40.23 | jim | binaryc: the way to gurudom is to try to solve problems on your own, not using any human resources except those that are already produced... like faq lists and documentation |
| 01:40.23 | cddesjarisback | at a time... |
| 01:40.25 | cddesjarisback | right? |
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| 01:40.41 | silverton | $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i ! lo -j0 DROP |
| 01:40.42 | jim | cddesjarisback: sure, but not running at the same time |
| 01:40.45 | silverton | what is wrong with that line? |
| 01:40.45 | Exit83 | jim i think he wants gurudom the easy way |
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| 01:40.57 | jim | ain't gonna happen :P |
| 01:41.04 | Exit83 | jim you never know |
| 01:41.08 | silverton | When I try to run it, it says that 'DROP' is a bad argument |
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| 01:41.18 | cddesjarisback | so would i do apt-get install kernel_that_i_want |
| 01:41.19 | jim | he will NEVER become a guru unless he tries shit on his own. ever. period. |
| 01:41.25 | cddesjarisback | then edit the grub.conf file? |
| 01:41.35 | tcsetattr | -j0? |
| 01:41.35 | Exit83 | jim i do try shit on my own, but it smells |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | god .. don't you people ever sleep ? |
| 01:41.52 | Exit83 | abrotman: apparently... not |
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| 01:41.59 | nanok | hm..indeed, do we?.. |
| 01:42.02 | nanok | shall we? |
| 01:42.03 | Azar | cddesjarisback pay attention , there are couple of same 2.6.x ones that have different architecture pick the one that is best for you PC |
| 01:42.06 | binaryc | nah, i am in no rush to get there , i am in my first year of using linux (probably around 6 months) and am only a high school junior, i have plenty of time to learn and am trying to get a little bit of a foundation before i go hardcore |
| 01:42.07 | magyar | when is the release of esher? |
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| 01:42.13 | Exit83 | does the ninternet sleep???? |
| 01:42.14 | jim | so you've at least tried stuff... you know, chew it, pass it thru your digestive system... and really experience it... |
| 01:42.25 | ndazza | abrotman, thankfully we have developers from all around the world, so in the rare times when some of us have to sleep, others take over |
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| 01:42.41 | nanok | the last last_one.. |
| 01:42.45 | nanok | hm.. |
| 01:42.46 | eric_ | join #debian-zh |
| 01:42.48 | Exit83 | nanok good luck |
| 01:42.56 | eric_ | join #/debian-zh |
| 01:42.58 | jim | aren't cigarrettes stimulants? |
| 01:43.04 | eric_ | join # /debian-zh |
| 01:43.05 | jim | if so... good luck :) |
| 01:43.10 | Exit83 | they are non free |
| 01:43.10 | nanok | Exit83: well, ..i am trying, now, .. |
| 01:43.10 | abrotman | jim: depends on the situation |
| 01:43.13 | nanok | :P |
| 01:43.16 | Exit83 | and therefore not supported |
| 01:43.16 | magyar | when will the new testing release will be available? |
| 01:43.32 | nanok | jim: non smoker, huh?.. |
| 01:43.33 | jim | magyar: it's probably available now... |
| 01:43.33 | Azar | magyar , in few years |
| 01:43.35 | jim | but |
| 01:43.56 | magyar | i only see woody sarge and sid |
| 01:43.56 | cddesjarisback | where is grub.conf located? |
| 01:43.57 | abrotman | magyar: now |
| 01:44.01 | cddesjarisback | /boot/grub? |
| 01:44.01 | jim | unless you're willing to put in the time and read some source code, docs and bug postings... |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | magyar: your mirror sucks |
| 01:44.08 | nanok | how can non-smokers live? i mean, hell, i would rather buy a pack of cigarettes with my last buck than food... |
| 01:44.08 | jim | you'll be soooooorreeeee.... |
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| 01:44.18 | nanok | you non-smoking ppl are despikable.. |
| 01:44.19 | nanok | :)) |
| 01:44.20 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: you mean the file to change stuff in for booing??? |
| 01:44.21 | Azar | I have no idea why people already rush to see the actual "testing" released soon, I think Sarge is cool |
| 01:44.25 | cddesjarisback | yup |
| 01:44.26 | Selanit | Hi. I'm trying to assemble a list of top-level packages on my system. By top-level, I mean packages that don't serve as dependencies to any other package. I thought deborphan might help, but so far it hasn't proven useful. Suggestions? |
| 01:44.33 | cddesjarisback | i want to install another kernel and add it to my grub file |
| 01:44.34 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:44.34 | magyar | abrotman:am pretty enough , thanks |
| 01:44.38 | Azar | jim is my smoking break partner |
| 01:44.39 | ndazza | yeah i spose i am despicable.. |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | Selanit: -a |
| 01:44.44 | jim | nanok: I hate cigarrette smoke... hate hate |
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| 01:44.58 | ndazza | but i don't think smoking would help me there |
| 01:45.01 | Selanit | hmm |
| 01:45.05 | jim | smokers are alrght as long as they don't smoke around me |
| 01:45.11 | nanok | jim: i to, when it comes from a cigartte i am not smoking myself.. |
| 01:45.13 | nanok | :) |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | jim: you dn't frequent bars ? |
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| 01:45.33 | mmmmm | damn smokers causing global warming |
| 01:45.40 | magyar | damn an sexy |
| 01:45.42 | jim | yeah, and that's because there's a no pub smoking rule |
| 01:45.42 | shingouz | mmmmm: so do cows |
| 01:45.45 | cddesjarisback | so if i run apt-get install kernel_i_want it won't screw up this kernel right? i'll just be downloading another kernel |
| 01:45.48 | mmmmm | yea fuck the cows too! |
| 01:45.49 | mmmmm | :-P |
| 01:45.49 | ndazza | abrotman, where i am they are bringing in non-smoking laws in bars |
| 01:45.56 | Azar | nobody talks about gasoline huh? |
| 01:45.57 | abrotman | ndazza: where is that ? |
| 01:46.00 | dondelelcaro | jim: thankfully... |
| 01:46.00 | cddesjarisback | i don't want to remove this kernel |
| 01:46.01 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: indeed |
| 01:46.02 | jim | Azar: it's SMOKE I hate... not smokers |
| 01:46.04 | cddesjarisback | ok |
| 01:46.04 | abrotman | jim: you in NYC ? |
| 01:46.06 | ndazza | QLD, australia |
| 01:46.10 | mmmmm | gasoline? damn when will the price go up. |
| 01:46.10 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:46.11 | jim | nope, bay area |
| 01:46.12 | mmmmm | taking so long |
| 01:46.16 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: in fact it wil lwirte itself in the menu.lst |
| 01:46.23 | cddesjarisback | great |
| 01:46.26 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: mine did anayway |
| 01:46.34 | abrotman | they wanted some freak anti-smoking law in philly .. but it was crazy .. like no smoking within 15feet of a door |
| 01:46.39 | foureyes779 | cddesjar, how goes the deb install ? |
| 01:46.45 | Exit83 | cddesjarisback: changed the name of my current kernel to kernel-2.6.8-old |
| 01:46.46 | ndazza | abrotman, yeah we have that here |
| 01:46.54 | abrotman | freaks |
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| 01:47.03 | ndazza | no smoking within 3m of a structure if ur in public |
| 01:47.04 | aboyz | oops sorry for double post |
| 01:47.10 | mmmmm | Smokers are just tools of the man |
| 01:47.12 | aboyz | can someone show me how to track or look where, I need to track down this user on mysql that is using up 35% of usage when i do i top i see a mysqld running all the time on 35% CPU. i did a show processlist but i can't seem to see who is doing it. any ideas on how to found out? thanks.. |
| 01:47.13 | ndazza | something like that |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | !ur |
| 01:47.13 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:47.18 | mmmmm | if they realize how much of tools they were they'd probably kill themselves |
| 01:47.23 | jim | or men of the tool |
| 01:47.24 | Azar | well I can still smoke outside in my patio and in the street |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | aboyz: just restart mysql .. or ask #mysql |
| 01:47.32 | binaryc | can't smoke anywhere in ny, i think you have to be inside a bubble boy suit if you do, and in my county you have to be 19 to buy cigeretes now |
| 01:47.34 | magyar | will there be a new installer? |
| 01:47.41 | mmmmm | 19???? |
| 01:47.42 | ndazza | abrotman, thanks... |
| 01:47.47 | aboyz | abrotman i ddi restart it but it keeep on coming back.. |
| 01:47.53 | mmmmm | that's rediculous. where do the politicians get off? |
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| 01:48.01 | abrotman | magyar: how the hell would we know .. sarge was released 4 fucking days ago .. and you're worrieda bout etch ? |
| 01:48.08 | abrotman | aboyz: ask #mysql then |
| 01:48.12 | aboyz | sure |
| 01:48.13 | mmmmm | no really I friggen hate age requirements. so lame |
| 01:48.16 | jim | magyar: for debian? the old one was called boot-floppies, the newer one is called debian-installer |
| 01:48.25 | Azar | its a political cover up for the gas exhaust from the cars and industrial sites.. they blame it on smokers |
| 01:48.39 | ndazza | mmmmm, there's been an 18+ law here for about a decade, australia wide |
| 01:48.43 | binaryc | mmm: yep in 2 years i can serve in the war, but not buy cigeretes in my county, die by gun for your country, not by cancer for yoursefl |
| 01:48.55 | ndazza | but 18 is the legal drinking age too :) |
| 01:49.01 | jim | Azar: but the smoking industry doesn't like that... anyways, see: scorecard.org |
| 01:49.08 | Exit83 | binaryc: 16 here, for smokes and drinking |
| 01:49.13 | magyar | jim: the last installer was released on march 2005, i just want to know when will be the release of the next installer cd |
| 01:49.19 | sparr_ | how can i "open" an initrd file? mount it, extract it, whatever |
| 01:49.20 | cddesjarisback | 18 cigs, 21 boozes here |
| 01:49.21 | XI-Phazor | Azar, second hand smoking killed me twice, lets join #smokingchannel so we dont flood #debian, people with tech issues |
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| 01:49.25 | ndazza | Exit83, where is that? |
| 01:49.31 | Solet-deb | where doe my xf86config error logs live? i cant remember |
| 01:49.34 | jim | magyar:ohh, not sure... |
| 01:49.35 | Selanit | abrotman: When I use deborphan -a, it shows only four packages installed on my system. They're all big meta-packages. Can I safely remove the meta-packages while leaving their dependencies intact? |
| 01:49.36 | Exit83 | ndazza belgium :d |
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| 01:49.48 | abrotman | Selanit: yes .. but i wouldn't bother |
| 01:49.48 | Azar | jim is a bit like that unfortunately many believe in: my entire family and ancestors are/were smoking and died naturally |
| 01:49.52 | tcsetattr | sparr_, you can mount it with -o loop |
| 01:49.59 | ndazza | Exit83, ahhh a mate i know just got back from a year there |
| 01:50.02 | Azar | big "lie" |
| 01:50.06 | ndazza | he said it was cold... |
| 01:50.08 | sparr_ | tcsetattr: type? |
| 01:50.16 | ndazza | (compared to the tropics) |
| 01:50.21 | Exit83 | ndazza lol, coming from australia, i can believe that |
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| 01:50.27 | ndazza | :D |
| 01:50.30 | tcsetattr | sparr_, I don't know what type it is. It's your file, not mine... loopback block device is independent of filesystem |
| 01:50.37 | magyar | abrotman: sarge is kool and all but I don't know why on earth the released it with kernel 2.6.8 no 2.6.10. All new mobos come with AHCI and 2.6.8 does not support it |
| 01:50.37 | jim | Azar: naturally? :) well, my dad died of "natural causes"... he was a smoker and died of lung cancer and leukemia |
| 01:50.38 | pureone | that dingo stole my server |
| 01:50.42 | magyar | that sucks |
| 01:50.48 | tcsetattr | use file(1) |
| 01:51.00 | ndazza | Exit83, there are people here that don't believe in snow |
| 01:51.01 | Azar | jim there are statistics proving non smokers dying of cancer |
| 01:51.02 | Selanit | abrotman: Okay, what would you do instead? |
| 01:51.07 | bob2 | magyar: er, because the kernel froze months ago? |
| 01:51.09 | abrotman | magyar: i'm sorry .. you can't spell cool |
| 01:51.14 | jim | lies... |
| 01:51.14 | abrotman | Selanit: leave them |
| 01:51.20 | jim | damn lies... |
| 01:51.21 | Exit83 | ndazza hahaha, |
| 01:51.22 | Azar | :) ok |
| 01:51.23 | michal_ | hi.. I've had a bit of a problem installing sarge from the netboot cd. it started installing a whole bunch of crap that I didn't want so i had to killall aptitude.. is there anything that may not have completed that i should run manually? |
| 01:51.25 | jim | statistics... |
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| 01:51.32 | michal_ | and is there any way to avoid having all this crap installed? |
| 01:51.38 | bob2 | michal_: reinstall |
| 01:51.38 | jim | in increasing order :) |
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| 01:51.43 | bob2 | michal_: and unselect stuff in aptitude |
| 01:51.43 | bob2 | duh |
| 01:51.46 | magyar | bob2: froze? how come? |
| 01:51.52 | Azar | want a grim joke, jim? on 911 many died up in smoke |
| 01:51.55 | Xenguy | jim: there are 'environmental' factors too, that are being, er, suppressed (AFAICT) |
| 01:52.00 | jim | you can make statistics say anything you want :) |
| 01:52.04 | sparr_ | tcsetattr: aha, file says its ext2, thanks |
| 01:52.05 | michal_ | bob2: there's nothing to unselect.. i selected to not install anything in tasks |
| 01:52.06 | bob2 | magyar: ...this is how release management works. at some point you stop fucking around. |
| 01:52.08 | abrotman | magyar: so it could freaking release .. what do you think ? |
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| 01:52.14 | jim | Azar: bigtime |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | magyar: do you understand how debian stable is different than other releases ? |
| 01:52.21 | shingouz | ok, isn't it about time to get off the soapboxes already? it is not like second hand smoke can damage anyone over TCP/IP in anycase |
| 01:52.35 | Azar | ok back to the topics |
| 01:52.41 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 01:52.52 | jim | read the bts! and don't cause cancer! |
| 01:52.55 | michal_ | is there any reason the default sarge install requires all those unnecessary packages? |
| 01:53.01 | jim | is that topical or tropical? |
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| 01:53.06 | bluefoxicy | OK I need serious help here |
| 01:53.09 | Selanit | abrotman: Thanks a ton. If I could just leave them, I wouldn't have asked in the first place. |
| 01:53.10 | Azar | michal_ : unnecessary? |
| 01:53.13 | bluefoxicy | I'm using apt to install Blackdown JRE |
| 01:53.21 | bluefoxicy | now it asks me about sun license thing and I accidentally said no |
| 01:53.22 | magyar | abrotman: not really, but then again am not claiming to be a rocket scientist either |
| 01:53.23 | bob2 | michal_: e.g.? |
| 01:53.26 | bluefoxicy | but said yes at the JDK |
| 01:53.28 | jim | bluefoxicy: you should build the package from the bin |
| 01:53.32 | bluefoxicy | so it installs the JDK but not the JRE |
| 01:53.41 | bluefoxicy | jim: be quiet and let me finish. |
| 01:53.43 | michal_ | bob2: gcc |
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| 01:53.48 | jim | if you get the jdk you have the jre |
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| 01:53.53 | shingouz | bluefoxicy: don't use the enter that enthusiastically please |
| 01:53.55 | bob2 | bluefoxicy: pick a channel |
| 01:53.57 | Azar | michal gcc is a MUST for packages to be compiled |
| 01:54.03 | binaryc | now that i have come to think of it , you all may be able to help me with something i have been looking for for a while, what is a good source for foreign independent news ? |
| 01:54.06 | Xenguy | bluefoxicy: java-package |
| 01:54.08 | Exit83 | bluefoxicy: apt-get remove and try again |
| 01:54.09 | bluefoxicy | Anyway, long story here, Found out if I remove the deb, reinstall the JDK, and say no, it never, ever, ever, ever ever ever ever ever ever EVER asks again and simply fails to preconfigure the deb forever. |
| 01:54.09 | jim | bluefoxicy: wonderful way to ask for help... |
| 01:54.14 | jim | I'm not available |
| 01:54.21 | bluefoxicy | Exit83: I tried apt-get remove --purge twice. |
| 01:54.22 | michal_ | azar: i don't want to compile packages.. |
| 01:54.25 | bucky | binaryc, news.google.com |
| 01:54.29 | Azar | jim is right, I keep him busy |
| 01:54.39 | abrotman | is bluefoxicy the same as bluefox83 ? |
| 01:54.40 | Azar | michal_ you dont but Debian needs that |
| 01:54.46 | bluefoxicy | abrotman: no |
| 01:54.49 | shingouz | michal_: the packages are not unnecessary |
| 01:54.57 | ndazza | bluefoxicy, try dpkg --purge <packagename> |
| 01:54.59 | Azar | michal_ everytime you "install" something gcc is used for compilation, say a new kernel |
| 01:55.02 | michal_ | bob2: also python, american dictionary.. manpages-dev.. linux kernel headers.. etc. etc |
| 01:55.15 | bob2 | michal_: I'm very surprised that's happening |
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| 01:55.16 | michal_ | azar: that's not true and never has been |
| 01:55.21 | bob2 | michal_: quit from tasksel if it's run |
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| 01:55.26 | bob2 | Azar: er, no |
| 01:55.43 | bluefoxicy | jim: every time I ask a question someone gives me an answer I already know about that I don't want. Every time. If it happens to be in #c or some distro channels, they insist that that's the answer I want and refuse to help me for any other method. Thus, if you try to give me an answer to a different problem instead of the one I have, I'm going to turn you around and shove it up your ass. |
| 01:55.46 | Azar | michal_ then you have the freedom to use apt-get remove or purge and see what is happening after that |
| 01:55.57 | shingouz | michal_: debian needs them. if you think you know better, remove them. dpkg does have the tools to force removal.. you will end up with a borked box though |
| 01:55.59 | pureone | http://www.starterupsteve.com/flash/html/son_of_a_peach.shtml |
| 01:56.02 | bob2 | bluefoxicy: go away |
| 01:56.04 | abrotman | bluefoxicy: i was about to help you .. but you're being rude now |
| 01:56.07 | magyar | abrotman: one other thing, when an network install cd is released, I coudn't care less if my video drivers are not detected or ide controlers, as long as the NIC modules load, which are the case of the current installer. 6 months old mobo no nic module. bahh |
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| 01:56.10 | jim | bluefoxicy: fuck off... die... go away |
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| 01:56.19 | bob2 | jim: stop it |
| 01:56.27 | abrotman | magyar: your nic is ? |
| 01:56.31 | michal_ | bob2: tasksel runs and by default nothing is selected so i exit it.. seems that aptitude by default runs with ~prequired ~pimportant ~pstandard and that's what is causing all this crap to be installed |
| 01:56.32 | binaryc | !hurt bluefoxicy |
| 01:56.32 | ndazza | and so begins another episode of... days of our lives... |
| 01:56.37 | pipeline | bluefoxicy: First, your nick sucks. Secondly, you probably have your question level set wrong. |
| 01:56.40 | jim | no one gets to treat me like that |
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| 01:56.49 | magyar | abrotman: syskonnect, marvell yukon |
| 01:56.50 | nanok | bluefoxicy: are you trying to say you've been up more than we have? don't go there.. :) |
| 01:56.52 | abrotman | jim: i'm so gonna hump you! |
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| 01:57.02 | abrotman | magyar: and which kernel supports that ? |
| 01:57.03 | Azar | bluefoxcity if you are trying to troll helpers you will not get any help or answers |
| 01:57.08 | bob2 | michal_: can you quit it instead of selecting ok or whatever? (it's been a long time since I've installeD) |
| 01:57.10 | michal_ | shingouz: if you don't know what you're talking about then don't say anything. thanks. |
| 01:57.11 | jim | keep yer butt to yourself :P |
| 01:57.13 | bob2 | binaryc: Azar abrotman dudes |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | dudes ? |
| 01:57.23 | Azar | hi master bob2 |
| 01:57.29 | michal_ | bob2: yes.. which is what i did.. but that's how aptitude gets run regardless it seems |
| 01:57.33 | Xenguy | abrotman: yeah, all the young ones =) |
| 01:57.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:57.42 | bluefoxicy | pipeline: it asks me the question every time, until I say no, then after apt-get remove --purge it refuses to ask again on reinstallation. It's a bug in apt, whether an intentional but bad decision or a coding mistake. |
| 01:57.46 | shingouz | michal_: i think i have a pretty good idea what i am talking about. remove the *unnecessary' packages and see for your self |
| 01:57.47 | smacnay | jasoncohen: well, I am trying out the btaudio driver. /dev/dsp1 (digital) and /dev/dsp2 (analog) are registered. Seems that I may not get digital to work. |
| 01:57.55 | bob2 | Azar: no need to escalate things |
| 01:58.00 | magyar | abrotman: i think all the new ones have the sk98lin.ko module for it |
| 01:58.06 | binaryc | bob2 " ?? Azar abrotman dudes ?? " |
| 01:58.06 | nanok | bluefoxicy: no offense, but your statement might make one wonder if it is the people or the way you ask questions/expect answers.. |
| 01:58.07 | bluefoxicy | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove j2sdk1.4 which isn't installed. <-- And this thing is refusing to purge it because it's not (can't be) installed. |
| 01:58.07 | dpkg | bluefoxicy: I think you lost me on that one |
| 01:58.13 | abrotman | magyar: sarge has that iirc |
| 01:58.13 | Azar | bob2 I am sorry I did not realized |
| 01:58.13 | nanok | just a thought.. |
| 01:58.16 | bob2 | michal_: that's odd, lasat time I ran it seemed to give me an option for taskel, aptitude or dselect |
| 01:58.18 | abrotman | binaryc: no idea |
| 01:58.32 | michal_ | shingouz: you don't know what you're talking aboout.. i can remove the american dictionary and the system runs fine |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | i'm not quite sure how i got included .. but ok |
| 01:58.35 | magyar | abrotman: iirc? |
| 01:58.37 | binaryc | it is a sign, we all need sleep ! |
| 01:58.42 | abrotman | !iirc |
| 01:58.43 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 01:59.03 | abrotman | !find sk98lin.ko sarge |
| 01:59.08 | shingouz | michal_: whatever you say, it is your computer. i am not going to let you too close to my systems with that attitude |
| 01:59.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sk98lin.ko' (3 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | magyar: see |
| 01:59.30 | michal_ | bob2: i would have expected only ~prequired to actually be required.. and that to be the default during install |
| 01:59.34 | magyar | abrotman: sure does, but not working, i need to recompile from sysconnect. |
| 01:59.43 | abrotman | magyar: did you use a 2.6 or 2.4 kernel ? |
| 01:59.55 | magyar | abrotman: 2.6.8 |
| 01:59.57 | bluefoxicy | nanok: Well, when you go into #c++ and ask how to, say, make a linked list reverse in place; and they tell you, "use the STL," and you repetedly tell them you don't WANT to use the STL and that you want to write it youself because you're writing code that will operate several billion times for several minutes and will need all the per-operation speed it can get and probably eat tons of ram and doesn't need STL bloat, and the |
| 01:59.57 | bluefoxicy | y repetedly say "the STL is what you need" . . . . . |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | dunno then |
| 02:00.02 | michal_ | shingouz: like i said earlier. if you don't know what you're talking about don't say anything at all. thanks again. |
| 02:00.11 | abrotman | he's still going ? |
| 02:00.14 | Azar | perseverence and testing is good in learning: I did with Debian whatever I pleased for 3 years, therefore I beat everyone with an impressing score of 56 installations |
| 02:00.29 | bluefoxicy | nanok: And then you repete said experience with 10000000 other questions you have, where they answer using an answer to another question you already figured out long ago, and insist it's the right one and that you just don't know what you want to do |
| 02:00.40 | bluefoxicy | nanok: then you can figure it out, and tell me if it's me or the people. |
| 02:00.50 | bob2 | bluefoxicy: I'd guess because no one believes you're smarter than the STL authors |
| 02:00.57 | jim | bluefoxicy: maybe at that point you could look at the stl source that does what you want, looking for ideas... it might even be commented |
| 02:01.19 | shingouz | michal_: what is your problem? you asked, i answered. if the answer is not to your liking it is not my problem. i just told you that if you think you know better you are free to remove whatever you like, it is your system |
| 02:01.27 | bucky | bluefoxicy, what version of debian are you running? |
| 02:01.28 | bluefoxicy | jim: it was a dumb example. Anyway. |
| 02:01.29 | grouldZ | was there a problem with the 3.1r0 isos? and a 3.1r0a needed to be released? |
| 02:01.31 | nanok | bluefoxicy: well, that is a particular example, you made a general statement.. |
| 02:01.40 | abrotman | grouldZ: yes |
| 02:01.41 | Exit83 | Azar lol, i never installed windows that much in 10 years i think |
| 02:01.41 | bob2 | grouldZ: they had the security apt source mis-configured |
| 02:01.46 | nanok | the general statement _you_ made points to that question.. |
| 02:01.50 | bob2 | grouldZ: which was easy to fix, but annoying |
| 02:01.52 | jim | their point is they are supporting the STL, and maybe they don't want to support ad hoc methods, unless it intellectually interests them |
| 02:01.52 | bluefoxicy | bucky: I'm running ubuntu actually but I can find the apt version? |
| 02:01.53 | michal_ | bob2: going to try installing again but this time choosing select individual packages from tasksel instead of not selecting anything.. failing that I know of one solution.. not adding any apt sources.. that prevents the installation of the unnecessary stuff.. at least it used to when sarge was still testing |
| 02:01.57 | nanok | question to say the least.. |
| 02:01.58 | grouldZ | that's pretty embarassing. |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman | !smack bluefoxicy |
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| 02:02.03 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 02:02.03 | dpkg | [ubuntu] NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
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| 02:02.06 | bucky | bluefoxicy, you're in the wrong channel |
| 02:02.06 | michal_ | shingouz: your "answer" is blatantly wrong |
| 02:02.11 | abrotman | bob09: flood ? |
| 02:02.21 | binaryc | shingouz- i would join you , but reading peoples responces to him would make me too tempted to un ignore him to find out what stupid stuff he is saying |
| 02:02.26 | bob2 | grouldZ: it was very hard to test before release, unfortunately |
| 02:02.36 | abrotman | after all that ranting .. totally wrong channel .. |
| 02:02.37 | Azar | speaking of "useless" packages that someone said Sarge has , dare to compare it with mswindows who is a humongous bloated piece of swiss cheese OS |
| 02:02.37 | bob2 | grouldZ: it only manifested itself *after* stable on the mirrors pointed at sarge |
| 02:02.39 | nanok | bluefoxicy: not trying to put you off or anything, but maybe you might beneffit from this impartial observation.. |
| 02:02.43 | nanok | or maybe not |
| 02:02.44 | grouldZ | debian had to release an update a day after it's official release. |
| 02:02.56 | abrotman | grouldZ: we just told you why .. and it was just to the installer images afaik |
| 02:02.56 | grouldZ | it's not called microsoft debian by any chance now is it? |
| 02:02.57 | dondelelcaro | grouldZ: yes. It's a fairly trivial change. |
| 02:03.00 | abrotman | oh god |
| 02:03.03 | shingouz | binaryc: you mean bluefoxicy? i am talking about the other one |
| 02:03.08 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:03.08 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@c210-49-63-26.rochd1.qld.optusnet.com.au] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:03.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:03.15 | Azar | grouldZ was only for the CD-ed distribution |
| 02:03.22 | pipeline | Is it troll night in #debian? :P |
| 02:03.27 | abrotman | idiot night |
| 02:03.27 | jim | suggest to him if/when he comes back that if he's getting solutions he doesn't want, he should enumerate them in some document like on a web page |
| 02:03.42 | bucky | jim he was using ubuntu |
| 02:03.47 | gravity | Cute |
| 02:03.47 | binaryc | ehh i am talking about anyone that hasn't said anything entertaining or informative in the past hour or 2 |
| 02:03.55 | jim | ohh... |
| 02:03.59 | Azar | hi bucky :) |
| 02:03.59 | jim | plot thickens |
| 02:04.06 | bucky | howdy |
| 02:04.24 | jim | I'm off to my rehersal |
| 02:04.28 | Azar | binaryc, you might be the first to start |
| 02:04.34 | Exit83 | jim bye |
| 02:04.42 | Azar | bye jim |
| 02:05.10 | nanok | well, he or she has an atitude problem, and _wont_ see past his nose, to put it this way. his loss.. |
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| 02:05.17 | Azar | ok dinner afk |
| 02:05.19 | nanok | just my humble oppinion.. |
| 02:05.35 | dondelelcaro | nanok: that's fine, but expressing it really isn't going to help much |
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| 02:06.22 | nanok | dondelelcaro: yes, i know :( i just tend to give people _one_ more chance, at least... it was useless i guess, indeed.. |
| 02:06.33 | Exit83 | hey nanok, ddnt you say you were going to bd after your smoke? :d |
| 02:06.36 | nanok | well, chapter closed anyway |
| 02:06.45 | shingouz | Exit83: he has a long cig |
| 02:06.48 | nanok | yeah..one more.. :/ |
| 02:06.48 | binaryc | exit83- no he said last smoke before bed |
| 02:06.52 | magyar | paypal phishing, looked so real |
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| 02:06.57 | Exit83 | lol |
| 02:07.08 | nanok | shingouz: actually, it is marlboro 100s, so it is, indeed.. |
| 02:07.09 | nanok | :) |
| 02:07.21 | Exit83 | nanok i bet you reallt arent an addcit |
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| 02:07.23 | shingouz | not 1000's? |
| 02:07.27 | Exit83 | nanok i bet you really arent an addcit |
| 02:07.38 | Exit83 | crappy typo's :( |
| 02:07.46 | nanok | Exit83: who me? neah..i can quit whenever i want! |
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| 02:07.54 | shingouz | Exit83: we read tpyo |
| 02:07.59 | Exit83 | Belgium due entered |
| 02:08.04 | nanok | oh, wait..wasnt that the addicts lament?.. |
| 02:08.05 | Exit83 | shingouz :p |
| 02:08.09 | nanok | oh well :P |
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| 02:08.19 | binaryc | i spaek typo its my natve tonuge |
| 02:08.23 | Exit83 | *Belgiuem dude entered |
| 02:08.28 | Exit83 | damned |
| 02:08.40 | Exit83 | even in my corrections i make typo's |
| 02:08.45 | shingouz | binaryc: and you still mess it up. it is _tpyo_ :p |
| 02:08.59 | Exit83 | tee pee yoo? |
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| 02:09.26 | binaryc | !tp |
| 02:09.27 | dpkg | Think Pad, or known as Toilet Paper |
| 02:09.38 | nanok | when you even get the typos wrong, so wrong that you actually seem like typing right |
| 02:09.38 | Exit83 | !bunghole |
| 02:09.38 | dpkg | "Would you like to see cerb's bunghole???", or "I am the great CORNHOLIO!! Must have TeePee for my BUNGHOOOLE!!" |
| 02:09.43 | Exit83 | WOW |
| 02:09.48 | Exit83 | i love dpkg |
| 02:09.49 | nanok | then you _realy_ should go to bed.. |
| 02:09.59 | nanok | so, one more smoke for me :P |
| 02:10.03 | binaryc | Tee Pee yoo |
| 02:10.15 | Exit83 | sounds like 3PO |
| 02:10.17 | Exit83 | :s |
| 02:10.20 | jasoncohen | smacnay, hey- so if you see /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2 registered in dmesg you should be able ot record off them. I've only tested in mythtv so i couldn't help you there though. |
| 02:10.40 | MyOwnLittlWorld | hey, can anyone help a newb with Debian 3.1, linux kernel 2.6.8 install trouble? |
| 02:10.46 | Exit83 | smacnay on the assnay |
| 02:10.56 | Exit83 | MyOwnLittlWorld: i can try |
| 02:11.04 | binaryc | sure Myownlittlworld, shoot your questions we are listening |
| 02:11.05 | Exit83 | MyOwnLittlWorld: but i promise nothing |
| 02:11.11 | shingouz | MyOwnLittlWorld: /msg dpkg ask |
| 02:11.23 | nanok | MyOwnLittlWorld: we wouldnt know, thats a hard one.. |
| 02:11.25 | jasoncohen | ...and the question *drumwoll* |
| 02:11.28 | Exit83 | wait wait il ldo it |
| 02:11.29 | jasoncohen | *drum roll |
| 02:11.32 | Exit83 | !ask |
| 02:11.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 02:11.42 | abrotman | Exit83: /msg works just fine |
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| 02:11.48 | nanok | MyOwnLittlWorld: it is in the class of "the answer to life, the universe and..everything".. |
| 02:11.52 | too-quick | has anyone had problems running sshd or a webserver with verizon dsl? |
| 02:11.53 | binaryc | ahh , i knew someone was going to throw it in the channel |
| 02:11.57 | smacnay | jasoncohen: I can pull up /dev/mixer1 with aumix but can't set volumes. Interesting. |
| 02:11.58 | shingouz | nanok: 42 |
| 02:11.59 | nanok | one of my favourites by the way.. |
| 02:12.03 | Exit83 | abrotman: i heard so |
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| 02:12.13 | abrotman | Exit83: as does .. !tell |
| 02:12.22 | binaryc | think we scared mylittleworld out of our world |
| 02:12.27 | Exit83 | !tell ask |
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| 02:12.34 | abrotman | !tell Exit83 about msg |
| 02:12.35 | nanok | shingouz: yeah, but what was the question, really? can you tell me that too, pls pls.. |
| 02:12.38 | nanok | :) |
| 02:12.43 | MyOwnLittlWorld | recently, my computer died a horrible death... and instead of installing windows again, I went for a multi with debian 3.1. In the 3.1 installer, you've got 2 kernel options, 2.4.X and 2.6.8. I tried 2.4(something) and it worked fine. I decided to with the 2.6.8 install because my wireless card requires 2.6.4 or higher. |
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| 02:12.48 | dondelelcaro | nanok: what do you get when you multiply six by nine |
| 02:13.02 | MyOwnLittlWorld | however, when I try to boot into 2.6.8, I just get a blank screen |
| 02:13.07 | shingouz | nanok: do i look like a supercomputer to you? |
| 02:13.08 | MyOwnLittlWorld | 2.4X works perfectly |
| 02:13.12 | nanok | dondelelcaro: neah, that wouldnt suith the audience.. |
| 02:13.17 | jasoncohen | smacnay, /dev/mixer1? i always use alsamixer. it's the most reliable |
| 02:13.26 | Exit83 | lol |
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| 02:13.29 | jasoncohen | and you don't need to capture or record on line if you're using btaudio |
| 02:13.36 | sun_ | whats ac97 sound mean? |
| 02:13.36 | Exit83 | hi fluxi |
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| 02:13.47 | Xuse | Myownlittleworld you could always try 2.6.11 |
| 02:13.51 | smacnay | jasoncohen: for an oss module? |
| 02:13.51 | dondelelcaro | nanok: the audience is a bunch of bloody cave men |
| 02:13.51 | shingouz | !tell Sun_ about ac97 |
| 02:13.52 | binaryc | haha , he finally gets his tounge back from the cat and then Myownlittlworld quits |
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| 02:13.54 | Exit83 | he/she is gone |
| 02:13.58 | nanok | shingouz: no, but maybe you can design one you are not actually worthy of conceiving yourself.. |
| 02:14.01 | jasoncohen | smacnay, not sure |
| 02:14.05 | magyar | does anyone know how do i report phishing to paypall? |
| 02:14.14 | shingouz | nanok: tricky |
| 02:14.18 | nanok | damn, has _everyone_ read that damn thing?.. |
| 02:14.24 | Exit83 | magyar just mail them?? |
| 02:14.25 | jasoncohen | smacnay, i also find kmix works but isn't as reliable |
| 02:14.25 | nanok | your all freaks.. |
| 02:14.29 | nanok | oh wait.. |
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| 02:14.33 | shingouz | nanok: what do you expect? we are geeks after all |
| 02:14.38 | jasoncohen | smacnay, the whole idea of btaudio though is that you don't have to waste time setting up the sound |
| 02:14.39 | Exit83 | magyar im sure there is a mail address on their site |
| 02:14.46 | smacnay | jasoncohen: true |
| 02:14.53 | jaa6c6 | The flash plugin crashes konqueror. :( |
| 02:15.11 | Exit83 | jaa6c6: use FF? |
| 02:15.20 | nanok | dondelelcaro: the caveman are the smart ones, as it happens, or should i say the decent ones... |
| 02:15.21 | Xuse | (maybe because konqueror sucks) |
| 02:15.34 | nanok | i think that is perhaps the sadest part of it all .. |
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| 02:15.46 | jaa6c6 | Xuse: Nope, it's a symbol issue |
| 02:15.51 | shingouz | nanok: go collect some leaves ;) |
| 02:15.59 | binaryc | alert paypall http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_security-center-outside |
| 02:16.22 | jaa6c6 | It's with qt, nothing to do with konwueror |
| 02:16.23 | Xuse | I don't see why people use konqueror it was the main reason i'll never install kde again. :) |
| 02:16.33 | Exit83 | Xuse lol |
| 02:16.51 | nanok | shingouz: or maybe burn some trees, to make those i have more valuable..that is called "foresight" i think.. |
| 02:16.55 | abrotman | i don't see why people use KDE |
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| 02:17.17 | shingouz | nanok: <sigh> |
| 02:17.22 | binaryc | hey look who the cat dragged in |
| 02:17.24 | Exit83 | abrotman: because they like qt??? |
| 02:17.24 | Exit83 | abrotman: :p |
| 02:17.31 | sun_ | hi lspci says i have a intel 82801 (ich6) ac97 audio controller, and lsmod says it installed i810_audio. most of the time my audio is screwed up, for example when i play mp3s eventually the sound just stops... any tips? |
| 02:17.41 | abrotman | Exit83: because they're dumb ? |
| 02:17.42 | MyOwnLittlWorld | i'm sorry, did anyone say anything? I got kicked off for a minute |
| 02:17.49 | nanok | abrotman: i guess you burn in flames when the word M##%% and W$^..s are mentioned, than?.. |
| 02:17.49 | Exit83 | yeah |
| 02:17.52 | nanok | :) |
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| 02:17.54 | Exit83 | try 2.6.11 |
| 02:18.01 | abrotman | nanok: what words ? |
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| 02:18.05 | Exit83 | Microsoft |
| 02:18.11 | Exit83 | and Windows |
| 02:18.13 | Xuse | sun_ same with me until i upgraded kernel to 2.6.11 |
| 02:18.14 | nanok | Exit83: noooo |
| 02:18.17 | nanok | :P |
| 02:18.17 | abrotman | no .. just kde :) |
| 02:18.18 | aficionado | Hi, is there a debian package for mplayer? |
| 02:18.26 | abrotman | i wish Trolltech would take Qt back |
| 02:18.27 | gravity | !tell aficionado about marillat |
| 02:18.30 | shingouz | !tell aficionado about marillat |
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| 02:18.33 | abrotman | !tell aficionado about mplayer |
| 02:18.33 | shingouz | bah |
| 02:18.36 | MyOwnLittlWorld | Exit83: ok, thanks... I take it I should just do the upgrade from 2.4X? |
| 02:18.37 | nanok | speaking of vampires, it is light, so i guess i can go to bed now.. |
| 02:18.41 | aficionado | lol |
| 02:18.42 | Exit83 | aficionado: depends if you have the marillat ftp servers in sources.list |
| 02:18.43 | nanok | jeez.. |
| 02:18.43 | binaryc | !tell aficionado about mplayer |
| 02:18.48 | aficionado | brb |
| 02:18.49 | shingouz | nanok: don't burst into flames |
| 02:19.00 | Exit83 | MyOwnLittlWorld: yeah |
| 02:19.08 | sun_ | xuse did you get 2.6.11 from unstable? |
| 02:19.15 | MyOwnLittlWorld | Exit: thanks. |
| 02:19.40 | Exit83 | MyOwnLittlWorld: it was Xuse his sugeestion, but you left right when he answered, so thank him ;) |
| 02:20.02 | Exit83 | nanok where do you live seeing its getting light outside |
| 02:20.14 | aficionado | hmm... marillat... gotta do some research on that. I knew the default sources didn't have and I almost started building mplayer from source but then thought why not check the channel first ;) |
| 02:20.18 | aficionado | thanks guys! |
| 02:20.22 | aficionado | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.27 | Exit83 | aficionado: no prob |
| 02:20.37 | shingouz | sun_: install alsa, blacklist the i810_audio and use the snd_intel810 (not quite sure about the snd_intel??? name). use alsaconf and it should take care of it |
| 02:20.39 | binaryc | gals what is this girls you speak of ! ? |
| 02:20.44 | nanok | Exit83: i think even i would have a hard time telling that just from seeing it is getting light |
| 02:20.48 | nanok | :) |
| 02:20.50 | aficionado | binaryc: just in case... |
| 02:21.04 | Xuse | sun_ i got it from testing. |
| 02:21.07 | aficionado | :) |
| 02:21.10 | Exit83 | nanok i have no clue what so ever what you just meant :( |
| 02:21.11 | binaryc | ohh, to bad , got me all excited |
| 02:21.28 | Exit83 | is a rooster male form of chicken? |
| 02:21.31 | nanok | Exit83: and besides, i can't be bothered with that detail, i should get to my cawfiin ASAP |
| 02:21.32 | binaryc | i wonder |
| 02:21.33 | binaryc | !girls |
| 02:21.33 | dpkg | what runs the pool system and testing and various other parts of the debian distribution. read about them at http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.22&cvsroot=dak&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 02:21.44 | Exit83 | nanaok same here, 4 o clock here |
| 02:21.49 | nanok | Exit83: that makes (at least) 2 of us.. |
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| 02:22.00 | Exit83 | nanok, so where DO you live? |
| 02:22.03 | borius | uh was it in #eurohacker |
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| 02:22.07 | nanok | Exit83: i mean about not knowing what i meant.. |
| 02:22.31 | sun_ | xuse oh. for some reason kernel-image-2.6-686 still depends on 2.6.8 which deosnt work for me. |
| 02:22.34 | Exit83 | nanok lol, you are so pffft cant seem to find the english word |
| 02:22.38 | nanok | Exit83: do you call this a living?.. :P |
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| 02:22.47 | Exit83 | nanok cyber living? |
| 02:22.55 | nanok | Exit83: english..hm.. |
| 02:23.09 | cthulfuego | Exit83: Yes, in english a rooster is a male chicken. |
| 02:23.19 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: thx |
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| 02:23.33 | cthulfuego | In dutch it is not. |
| 02:23.34 | nanok | Exit83: yes, i am actually in a lot of trouble with my body lately, i think it will file for divorce soon.. |
| 02:23.34 | binaryc | formally known as a cock |
| 02:23.39 | nanok | and all that.. |
| 02:23.49 | cthulfuego | Pah. Roosterface. |
| 02:23.49 | Exit83 | okay, so the roosters are already doing their rooster thingie when the sun comes up |
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| 02:23.56 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: you dutch? |
| 02:23.59 | cthulfuego | Exit83: They 'crow'. |
| 02:24.02 | cthulfuego | Exit83: yeah |
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| 02:24.09 | shingouz | nanok: watch out, it may try to get some alimony out of you too in the process |
| 02:24.11 | Xuse | sun_ i'm not sure then. =/ |
| 02:24.12 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: Dutch or beglian ;) |
| 02:24.30 | cthulfuego | Exit83: Nederlands, niet Vlaams. |
| 02:24.36 | nanok | Exit83: where have you seen that? roosters do their thing loooong before the sun comes up (stupid fucking creatures..) |
| 02:24.41 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: what a shame :( |
| 02:24.51 | cthulfuego | Exit83: Howso? |
| 02:24.55 | nanok | shingouz: yes, no respect, no respect.. |
| 02:25.01 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: :p J/K why are you still up? |
| 02:25.06 | nanok | to quote jaberjaw for a change.. :P |
| 02:25.06 | shingouz | nanok: what do you expect? they have brains the size of a pinhead |
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| 02:25.18 | Exit83 | nanok: its 4 o clock, i do think the sun will set soon |
| 02:25.26 | cthulfuego | Exit83: I don't actually live anywhere near where I'm from <heh> |
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| 02:25.37 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: oh, that explains a lot |
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| 02:25.48 | shingouz | maybe i should get my ass into my coffin for a short while |
| 02:25.53 | nanok | shingouz: i expect them to shut the fuck up, geeks and sysadmins are trying to fall asleep earlly in the morning, for heavens sakes.. |
| 02:25.54 | Exit83 | same here |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | maybe a lot of people should |
| 02:26.05 | Exit83 | :p |
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| 02:26.08 | nanok | i mean, all good people need peace and quite at that hour.. |
| 02:26.09 | nanok | :) |
| 02:26.10 | shingouz | nanok: exactly. use a shotgun |
| 02:26.15 | cthulfuego | eggs baghdad rocks |
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| 02:26.29 | nanok | shingouz: or a roster.. ;) |
| 02:26.31 | abrotman | cthulfuego: that late there already ? |
| 02:26.39 | cthulfuego | abrotman: 12:26 |
| 02:26.45 | nanok | a roster on a rooster.. that should at least sound good.. |
| 02:26.50 | nanok | roaster |
| 02:26.51 | abrotman | cthulfuego: jeez |
| 02:26.55 | binaryc | i wonder , how many time zones we cover , can everyone state there time starting with someone who is the closest after midnight |
| 02:26.57 | cthulfuego | abrotman: and its POETS day too |
| 02:26.58 | Exit83 | a rooster on a roaster |
| 02:27.11 | Exit83 | GMT +2 |
| 02:27.15 | Exit83 | 4 am here |
| 02:27.20 | abrotman | go to bed you freak |
| 02:27.20 | shingouz | nanok: just use the shotgun on the rooster and be done with it. i guarantee it will not disturb your sleep anymore |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | people need sleep |
| 02:27.36 | shingouz | +2 |
| 02:27.37 | nanok | Exit83: i think i would have trouble using a rooster on a roaster, but it can be atempted.. |
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| 02:27.46 | abrotman | your computer can operate just fine on a 3 day uptime .. people can't |
| 02:27.54 | shingouz | abrotman: you sure? |
| 02:28.01 | abrotman | shingouz: no relliably :) |
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| 02:28.04 | abrotman | err not reliably |
| 02:28.10 | Exit83 | abrotman: yeah but you know, im on vacation but all my friends are studying, i dont have 2 i dont have exams |
| 02:28.19 | abrotman | !2 |
| 02:28.20 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 02:28.24 | shingouz | abrotman: but you have had some 3 day uptimes too i think |
| 02:28.27 | li_ma | help! urgent!!! debian cannot recognize network card any more |
| 02:28.31 | Exit83 | abrotman im glad to find ppl that have nothing else todo then talk about meaningless shit |
| 02:28.31 | li_ma | anyway to bring it back? |
| 02:28.37 | nanok | shingouz: uh.. roosters can be heard a looong way (bloody fucking creatures), so i think i wil go for my all time favourite: the napalm bomb |
| 02:28.41 | nanok | much more effective |
| 02:28.44 | shingouz | !tell li_ma about sicco |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | shingouz: yes .. and guess what happened ... i then had a downtime of two days :) |
| 02:28.47 | abrotman | !ppl |
| 02:28.47 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 02:28.55 | shingouz | abrotman: heh |
| 02:29.03 | abrotman | Exit83: this is actually a support channel . believe it or not |
| 02:29.09 | sparr_ | how can i start a different wm without losing my X session? |
| 02:29.10 | li_ma | i wna tto know how to reinstall network driver for my debian box |
| 02:29.13 | shingouz | the underscore sucks btw |
| 02:29.15 | Exit83 | abrotman it afun support channel :$ |
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| 02:29.24 | bob2 | sparr_: does the window manager have an option for that? |
| 02:29.30 | sparr_ | bob2: no |
| 02:29.31 | bob2 | sparr_: in it's menu or whatever |
| 02:29.37 | sparr_ | the one i just switched FROM did |
| 02:29.38 | li_ma | /etc/init.d/networking start said interface not found |
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| 02:29.44 | abrotman | peanut butter ? |
| 02:29.45 | bob2 | sparr_: hm, all ones in Debian should...you can't then, unfortunately |
| 02:29.48 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: freaking chemist |
| 02:29.49 | li_ma | no X-Windows. only root bash |
| 02:29.51 | drgnvale | Does the debian 3.1 installer not have rmmod? |
| 02:29.53 | bob2 | sparr_: unless gnome-session is what X is running for you |
| 02:29.53 | debben | hi all, 2 days ago there was an issue with some of the .iso's and hardware detection, has this been rectified? |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | li_ma: modconf .. find the driver |
| 02:29.57 | magyar | anyone knows of a good webbased support ticketing system? |
| 02:29.58 | sparr_ | shit |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | drgnvale: use modprobe |
| 02:30.09 | odine | is there anyway possible that i can copy a file while in my linux system over to my ntfs partition? |
| 02:30.11 | li_ma | abrotman:thanks for reply |
| 02:30.13 | drgnvale | abrotman: -r? |
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| 02:30.18 | abrotman | man modprobe ? |
| 02:30.18 | cthulfuego | Exit83: Don't make me slap you with the two frozen roosters from my freezer. |
| 02:30.20 | bob2 | odine: not from linux |
| 02:30.25 | Exit83 | rectify, rectify me.... (own version of INXS hit) |
| 02:30.31 | binaryc | alright i think i am ready to go do some reading and rubik's cubes, good night |
| 02:30.33 | bob2 | odine: well, not without captive-ntfs |
| 02:30.41 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: why not with 2 mol of roosters? |
| 02:30.47 | ultraviolet16 | hello everyone, I have someone logged in through ssh and want to boot, how? |
| 02:30.51 | shingouz | binaryc: do you get below 60 secs on the cube btw? |
| 02:31.03 | binaryc | shingouz - i am at about 60 seconds right now |
| 02:31.07 | Exit83 | ultraviolet16: sudo reboot :d |
| 02:31.10 | binaryc | i hope to be sub 20 by next year |
| 02:31.17 | debben | cthulfuegp: hi, you said you were from brisvegas, didn't you the other day? i am too |
| 02:31.18 | cthulfuego | Exit83: no moles in Australia |
| 02:31.19 | shingouz | hehe |
| 02:31.24 | cthulfuego | debben: Nooooooooooooooo! |
| 02:31.29 | cthulfuego | debben: melbourne. |
| 02:31.30 | bob2 | cthulfuego: just voles |
| 02:31.33 | debben | ahh |
| 02:31.34 | odine | bob2: ok so i can just install captive-ntfs? ;) |
| 02:31.37 | ultraviolet16 | ok thanks |
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| 02:31.40 | cthulfuego | veracious vixens |
| 02:31.42 | bob2 | odine: yeah |
| 02:31.52 | bob2 | in the vineyards |
| 02:31.54 | odine | bob2: what is the package name |
| 02:31.57 | cthulfuego | debben: I just pay some brisvegas people money to run a server |
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| 02:32.00 | bob2 | odine: it'snot in debian |
| 02:32.03 | li_ma | abrotman: which config file really control this? |
| 02:32.04 | bob2 | haha |
| 02:32.08 | odine | oh |
| 02:32.10 | debben | k |
| 02:32.13 | li_ma | my debian box has been working for years |
| 02:32.25 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: seeing as you know your way in chemistry, are you doing a chemists job?? |
| 02:32.30 | debben | i was talking to someone from there and they/he uses debain on ppc |
| 02:32.40 | odine | damn i hosed my xp system.. missing one file in the drivers folder that i need to get copied over.... hrmm.. gonna have to find another way around this i guess heh |
| 02:32.41 | abrotman | li_ma: you use modconf to find the module and load it .. which nic is it ? |
| 02:32.48 | StereoSkit | wow, 12.11" is the world record in rubik's cube |
| 02:32.50 | cthulfuego | Exit83: no, I just remember what i was taught in high school 15 years ago a bit better then most people. |
| 02:33.00 | li_ma | i updated some email related software posdtfix, installed asal package, etc. |
| 02:33.03 | binaryc | odine- it is called fdisk |
| 02:33.04 | li_ma | then reboot. |
| 02:33.07 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: good memory |
| 02:33.08 | li_ma | and it is dead |
| 02:33.13 | debben | odine: knoppix it |
| 02:33.26 | cthulfuego | debben: michal perhaps. I do have a few ppc boxen running debian, though. |
| 02:33.40 | cthulfuego | Exit83: despite the drug abuse, yeah. |
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| 02:33.53 | debben | k, cos i am having issues with my iMac booting up with netinst |
| 02:34.02 | cthulfuego | debben: What kinds of issues? |
| 02:34.03 | debben | issue: it won't, hangs |
| 02:34.04 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: arent dutch ppl supposed to use drugs? :P |
| 02:34.15 | cthulfuego | Exit83: yeah. |
| 02:34.26 | cthulfuego | Exit83: gave that up years ago though 9or so I thought) |
| 02:34.33 | abrotman | !tell Exit83 about ppl |
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| 02:35.24 | Exit83 | abrotman: im wondering, why not make dpkg do an auto msg system on event:*:ppl ?? |
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| 02:35.28 | Exit83 | or something like that |
| 02:35.29 | binaryc | dutch parts per liter are supposed to use drugs |
| 02:35.35 | debben | cthulfuegp: i need to swap out my burner and try again with another .iso |
| 02:35.58 | abrotman | Exit83: not my bot |
| 02:36.03 | StereoSkit | dudes i've been trying to find netinst for sid, but the link takes me to testing, so isn't etch testing? or i am searching the wrong place |
| 02:36.14 | De_Mon_ | whats the new samba 'alternative' ? |
| 02:36.20 | bob2 | StereoSkit: a) don't install sid, b) you can't install sid |
| 02:36.34 | De_Mon_ | I read something about it last month and forgot what its called |
| 02:36.35 | StereoSkit | bob2: nice alternatives |
| 02:36.37 | Exit83 | De_Mon_: didnt knew there was one :s |
| 02:36.42 | bob2 | StereoSkit: install sarge |
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| 02:36.51 | bob2 | StereoSkit: dist-upgrade if you really feel the need |
| 02:36.52 | cthulfuego | debben: Is it one of the coloured imacs? |
| 02:36.59 | StereoSkit | im using sarge for quite a while now |
| 02:37.09 | bob2 | StereoSkit: why do you want to *install* sid then? |
| 02:37.15 | Exit83 | im using sarge, but changed my sources.list ot unstable |
| 02:37.16 | debben | cthulfuegp: yes, G3 iMac 350MHZ, blue |
| 02:37.25 | cthulfuego | debben: ok, they're prettye asy to open. |
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| 02:37.32 | Exit83 | does that make me a SID user?? |
| 02:37.34 | Stereo | StereoSkit: sid is unstable. It means it has bugs. Big hairy bugs. with long teeth. Why do you want sid? |
| 02:37.35 | debben | cthulfuegp: open?? |
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| 02:37.40 | StereoSkit | but i have a problem with fluxbox, and i have done everything to fix it but can't |
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| 02:37.47 | Stereo | Exit83: yes, and a fool :) |
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| 02:37.52 | bob2 | StereoSkit: then try installing the version from sid |
| 02:38.01 | cthulfuego | debben: oh, you want someone else to burn you a boot cd |
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| 02:38.05 | cthulfuego | debben: nm |
| 02:38.07 | bob2 | StereoSkit: if you can deal with not having security updates, etc |
| 02:38.10 | Exit83 | Stereo: why a fool? |
| 02:38.19 | sollust | hello...looking for debian installer kernel module for a 3c905 that I can copy to a floppy...can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 02:38.24 | debben | i can burn a cd from my gentoo router |
| 02:38.32 | StereoSkit | bob2: the problem is the same if i --purge it and compile it from sources |
| 02:38.34 | bob2 | debben: #gentoo |
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| 02:38.41 | debben | cthulfuegp: but why would i want to open the iMac? do i need to? |
| 02:38.42 | bob2 | StereoSkit: have you filed a bug? |
| 02:38.43 | cthulfuego | sollust: it's already in the kernel, surely. |
| 02:38.47 | debben | haha |
| 02:38.49 | cthulfuego | debben: No, my mistake. |
| 02:39.01 | bob2 | sollust: it's on the cd, fwiw |
| 02:39.05 | StereoSkit | not yet, dont really know how to |
| 02:39.11 | initech | debben: to pour acid in it? |
| 02:39.24 | bob2 | StereoSkit: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 02:39.34 | StereoSkit | bob2: tnx dude |
| 02:39.58 | chealer | directhex|work: ping |
| 02:40.00 | Exit83 | crap, now the birds in my yard start singing :s |
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| 02:40.11 | sollust | bob2: how do I get it off the cd onto a floppy? |
| 02:40.14 | abrotman | Exit83: for fucks sake .. go to bed |
| 02:40.15 | Exit83 | goign to bed now |
| 02:40.24 | sollust | I have both...the machine I'm trying to install to doesn't have a CD |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | even shingouz went to bed |
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| 02:40.33 | binaryc | !sleepsmite Exit83 |
| 02:40.36 | debben | cthulfuegp: when you reboot with the minimal cd, press C and it should boot up? |
| 02:40.38 | Exit83 | lol |
| 02:40.41 | Exit83 | sleepsmite |
| 02:40.41 | Exit83 | :d |
| 02:40.41 | cthulfuego | debben: yep |
| 02:40.42 | bob2 | sollust: there's no network card floppy for the installer? |
| 02:40.52 | binaryc | there is none, someone should do it |
| 02:40.52 | Exit83 | well goodnight everybody, or good morning |
| 02:40.52 | sollust | for linux? |
| 02:40.54 | Exit83 | bleh |
| 02:40.59 | cthulfuego | debben: it might take little while and make some odd noises, just keep holding down 'C' |
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| 02:41.05 | bob2 | sollust: for debian |
| 02:41.08 | sollust | it's on CD, I believe |
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| 02:41.12 | debben | cthulfuegp: so would you recommend a minimal cd or the netinst? |
| 02:41.24 | sollust | bob2: where would I find it? Searching didn't turn up a whole lot |
| 02:41.29 | cthulfuego | debben: Just netinst |
| 02:41.34 | debben | cthulfuegp: i held C down for quite a while and eventually the iMac spat the cd out |
| 02:41.35 | binaryc | how do i teach dpkg ? |
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| 02:41.39 | shingouz | abrotman: i saw that. i had to check my email before scooting. you made a mistake there, i never said bed, i said coffin... /me is gone |
| 02:41.50 | debben | cthulfuegp: k |
| 02:41.52 | bob2 | sollust: I'd assume the same place you got the sarge install disks you're using now |
| 02:41.54 | abrotman | shingouz: heh |
| 02:42.24 | nanok | shingouz: so young...and he;s gone... |
| 02:42.26 | sollust | bob2: the install manual? |
| 02:42.27 | nanok | oh well. |
| 02:42.29 | nanok | :P |
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| 02:42.54 | jshriver | greetings |
| 02:43.10 | jshriver | anyone know how to mount a USB memory card? |
| 02:43.13 | jshriver | namely a JumpDrive |
| 02:43.18 | debben | cthulfuegp: just to clarify, when you say netinsta, do you mean the method on url http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ ? |
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| 02:43.41 | nanok | jshriver: use dmesg and go from there |
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| 02:44.07 | jshriver | nanok: i just bought it and plugged it it.. do I need to reboot? thought dmesg was only for boot msg's.. hrm let me try |
| 02:44.10 | sgeigerbot | jshriver: this will likely work: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 |
| 02:44.20 | initech | jshriver: no, don't reboot |
| 02:44.41 | jshriver | ok it spat out usb-storage.. about 6 lines about it |
| 02:44.53 | sgeigerbot | jshriver: try my command. |
| 02:44.58 | nanok | jshriver: no nedd to reboot, bloody hell, windows is gone, forget about it, this is linux, not windows, not humans.. |
| 02:45.05 | jshriver | lol |
| 02:45.21 | nanok | wellcome to your own frustratinglly unlimited downtime.. |
| 02:45.31 | initech | doesn't the new installer set up discover and all that crap? |
| 02:45.32 | jshriver | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 02:45.53 | nanok | frustrating, aka: "why can't I stay up so long to?.." |
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| 02:46.10 | abrotman | try /dev/sda |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | no 1 |
| 02:46.15 | Xuse | http://slightlydark.com/gamemusic/album_SimCity2000.php < omg sim city music ;p |
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| 02:46.27 | jshriver | I did |
| 02:46.28 | abrotman | Xuse: not #warez |
| 02:46.29 | sgeigerbot | jshriver: do "sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog" just before you plug in the USB device. Then tell me whether you see "sda1" or something like that in the output. |
| 02:46.49 | jshriver | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/jump |
| 02:46.53 | jshriver | as root |
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| 02:47.00 | jshriver | k |
| 02:47.05 | sgeigerbot | jshriver: did that work for you? |
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| 02:47.33 | Xuse | abrotman eh? |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | canadian? |
| 02:47.56 | sollust | bob2: it would seem that the only floppy images available are what I've got, and nothing for my NIC |
| 02:48.02 | jshriver | Jun 9 22:35:22 Stormy scsi.agent[8370]: sd_mod: can't be loaded (for disk) |
| 02:48.27 | Xuse | eh no. |
| 02:49.19 | jshriver | what does the "not a valid block" mean? |
| 02:49.58 | nanok | jshriver: it means not the one you want to mount.. |
| 02:50.00 | jshriver | when checking the syslog it mentions the Lexar Jumpdrive |
| 02:50.43 | jshriver | hrm.. are there specific modules I need to compile? |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | is it a custom kernel ? |
| 02:50.58 | jshriver | yeah |
| 02:51.10 | jshriver | USB is fine... but wondering about the SCSI part.. |
| 02:51.17 | nanok | jshriver: dmesg | grep sd ; dmesg | grep ub |
| 02:51.25 | nanok | ah.. |
| 02:51.48 | nanok | jshriver: use a stock kernel first, and see if it's ok.. |
| 02:51.53 | jshriver | hrm |
| 02:51.54 | jshriver | SCSI subsystem initialized |
| 02:51.56 | nanok | if it is, go from there.. |
| 02:51.59 | jshriver | so guess it's there |
| 02:52.09 | Solet-deb | is there a way the "server layout" can be changed on the fly? like if 2 "server layout"s are specified in XF86Config-4 is there a way i can switch between them in X? |
| 02:52.12 | jshriver | ok will have to reboot ;) |
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| 02:52.19 | jshriver | bbiab |
| 02:52.39 | cddesjarisback | where are the kde files located (i.e. what is the path/to/the/kde/directory) |
| 02:52.47 | nanok | i, myself, will have to _halt_ |
| 02:52.55 | nanok | halt myself that is.. |
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| 02:53.26 | cat | cddesjarisback: try whereis kde |
| 02:53.33 | cddesjarisback | at prompt? |
| 02:53.42 | cddesjarisback | great |
| 02:53.42 | cddesjarisback | thanks |
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| 02:54.07 | cat | np |
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| 02:58.06 | iLLf8d | yeah they're all kinda log |
| 02:58.12 | iLLf8d | oops wrong weeno |
| 02:58.25 | abrotman | yeah .. we were doing so well with the no real traffic thing |
| 02:59.07 | Azar | I guess sarge is satisfying many |
| 02:59.09 | bcole | not really a debian question but should be easy enough to answer, would xterm -display <ip>:0 be correct syntax or am i missing something? |
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| 03:01.23 | tcsetattr | no, you're not missing something |
| 03:01.33 | bcole | thank you |
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| 03:01.48 | chealer | so...who won the sarge pool? |
| 03:01.58 | tcsetattr | !sarge pool 5 |
| 03:01.59 | dpkg | i guess sarge pool 5 is !Rydekull=2005-06-07 bodq=2005-06-10 Gnea=2005-08-01 Badman=2005-09-15 LSorensen=2005-07-01 Phleg=2005-05-11 TBBle=2005-06-30 GooZ=2099-12-31 RolandU=2005-07-01 alejandro=2005-06-15 Joris=2005-04-07 DavidS=2005-06-30 dob=2005-03-15 RememberPOL=2005-02-16 dan2=2005-04-15 blk=2005-02-12 marinos=2005-04-31 SquareRt=2005-05-15 zumbi=2005-06-23 Anthro=2005-02-07 Amaranth=2005-01-20 jon787=1901-12-13 ... |
| 03:02.05 | afabian | bcole: I tend to find ssh -X more convenient than that kind of thing. |
| 03:02.50 | tcsetattr | I guess rydekull |
| 03:02.50 | jshriver | hrm.. tried w/ the stock kernel gave me an error about the kernel not seeing /dev/sda1 as valid try insmod |
| 03:03.08 | jshriver | Is there a HOWTO? I dont want to be a bother... |
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| 03:03.12 | kb1_kanobe | the ifupdown package and /etc/network/interfaces: is it possible to use a '#include' directive or similar to include an external file in interfaces? |
| 03:03.13 | abrotman | !listvals 06-06 |
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| 03:03.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of '06-06' by value (3): sarge losers 2 ;; release history ;; release. |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | there you go |
| 03:03.22 | raf256 | is xinetd better then inetd? |
| 03:03.23 | abrotman | !sarge losers 2 |
| 03:03.23 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge losers 2 is yet more people who didn't get Sarge release's date right! baloo=2004-07-01 gravity=when_aj_says_so mdeboer=2004-07-14 keta=2004-06-21 dan2=2004-06-24 FreshUsr=2004-06-18 karsten=2003-12-01 beth=2004-06-08 paulswm=2004-06-01 FreshUsr=2004-06-18 Gnea=2004-06-06 Cit=2004-05-20 guestish=2004-05-30 obake=2004-04-31 peterS=2004-05-01 bahamat=2004-04-13 VynoM=2004-04-16 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 ghakko=2004-04-20 ... |
| 03:03.32 | abrotman | see .. Gnea just had the year wrong |
| 03:03.33 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
| 03:03.37 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 03:03.40 | jshriver | I'm going on a trip tomorrow and wanted to transfer some things to my laptop... |
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| 03:04.02 | raf256 | is it good idea to switch inetd to xinetd? |
| 03:04.02 | chealer | haha |
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| 03:04.24 | gravity | I only got screwed because aj resigned :-( |
| 03:04.33 | abrotman | gravity: right .. you keep telling yourself that :) |
| 03:05.17 | raf256 | is xinetd better then inetd? |
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| 03:05.34 | abrotman | !better |
| 03:05.34 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 03:06.05 | chealer | !sarge losers 3 is also chealer=2005-05-13 |
| 03:06.05 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 03:06.08 | raf256 | it is noticibly better in general or not? I prefer: security, flexibility - in that order |
| 03:06.19 | chealer | !win rydekull |
| 03:06.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, rydekull! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 03:06.31 | abrotman | i'm in there somewhere |
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| 03:06.52 | jshriver | I have perhaps a silly question... USB 2.0 memory sticks will work on a 1.0 system right? |
| 03:06.54 | afabian | raf256: you might like OpenBSD. Especially considering you didn't put "user-friendly" anywhere in that list. ;) |
| 03:07.05 | jshriver | since 2.0 devices can default to 1.0 mode.. |
| 03:07.11 | abrotman | they should |
| 03:07.22 | afabian | jshriver: they do. i've done it plenty of times. |
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| 03:07.33 | Solet | is there a command to make a telephone modem dial a number from the console? |
| 03:07.36 | smacnay | jasoncohen: no luck. Just a hiss from the analog and nothing from the digital. No big deal for now. The bttv card is not that great (I assume) |
| 03:07.59 | jshriver | I see the Jump drive listed in dmesg, etc... but still can't mount it.. |
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| 03:08.05 | jshriver | USB and SCSI emulation are loaded... |
| 03:08.22 | afabian | Solet: a raw chat script is usually used as a back-end while hooking up a PPP connection, but you could get it do that. |
| 03:08.40 | kb1_kanobe | Grrr.... I need an efficient way to manage configuration of a large number of GRE tunnels on Debian. Just plugging them all into /interfaces isn't reasonable. I wanted to use a generics file and #include it into interfaces, which would contain only the relevant 'auto' lines. Any other suggestions? |
| 03:08.42 | monsoon | hey folks, Ive got a desktop with a wireless adapter that is connnected to the internet, and a wired ethernet too. I am trying to get the laptop to connectt to the internet through its ethernet card to desktop ethernet card. So far Ive done this: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to 192.168.0.5 and echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ... On the laptop I did: route add default gw 192.168.0.11 (the ip of the wired ethern |
| 03:08.43 | monsoon | et) |
| 03:08.56 | Solet | afabian: i just want to test and see if it works |
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| 03:09.13 | jshriver | could it be possible it's not formated? |
| 03:09.15 | afabian | Solet: You might even try echo "atdt5555555" > /dev/ttyS0 , or whatever your device is. |
| 03:09.23 | jshriver | or would there be any harm in trying mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1? |
| 03:09.33 | cthulfuego | monsoon: Don't use SNAT, just ise MASQUERADE |
| 03:09.40 | Solet | how do i figure out what my device is? |
| 03:09.49 | monsoon | cthulfuego, how so? |
| 03:10.00 | cthulfuego | monsoon: That's what it's for |
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| 03:10.22 | afabian | Solet: I'd start by reading the output of dmesg. |
| 03:10.25 | tcsetattr | jshriver, does it show in /proc/partitions? |
| 03:10.38 | jshriver | no |
| 03:11.13 | Solet | afabian: how do i tell what to put after /dev/ |
| 03:11.22 | jshriver | Jump drives, apparently can have some kind of windows only "security" feature.. is it possible that it's enabled by default? |
| 03:11.31 | afabian | Solet: possibly by inspecting the output of dmesg. |
| 03:11.40 | tcsetattr | jshriver, modprobe sd_mod;modprobe usb-storage |
| 03:11.44 | cthulfuego | jshriver: Nah, that's be a driver-specific thing, requireing 3rd party software |
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| 03:12.11 | Bogus8 | is cpp-3.4 and gcc-3.4 provide the same function as cpp and gcc? |
| 03:12.26 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: yes, they're just specific versions. |
| 03:12.33 | jshriver | tcsetattr: not available as modules... but when i did a dmesg | grep usb-storage it showed up |
| 03:12.35 | jshriver | but not sd_mod |
| 03:12.47 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: should I install them or the "plain" cpp and gcc? |
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| 03:13.00 | tcsetattr | jshriver, is sd in /proc/devices? |
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| 03:13.24 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: That is entirely up to you. |
| 03:13.29 | jshriver | tcsetattr: no |
| 03:13.31 | jesse | I wake up today to find mysql not running. I attempt to start it with root@korrupt:/var/lib# /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 03:13.32 | jesse | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 03:13.32 | jesse | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.32 | jshriver | not under character or block |
| 03:13.36 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: Most likley, the plain ones will also fetch the 3.4 versions. |
| 03:13.41 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: is the cpp upgrade to all the latest ones? |
| 03:13.44 | cthulfuego | jshriver: Check the log. |
| 03:14.00 | tcsetattr | jshriver, sounds like scsi disk support is missing from your kernel |
| 03:14.04 | jshriver | cthulfuego: which one? |
| 03:14.07 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: No, because a 'latest compiler' invariable can't compile kernels. |
| 03:14.15 | cthulfuego | jshriver: not you |
| 03:14.19 | cthulfuego | jesse: check the log |
| 03:14.26 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: I guess a better way to put it is "is cpp and gcc an alias for 3.4" |
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| 03:14.34 | jshriver | when I do dmesg | grep scsi |
| 03:14.35 | cthulfuego | !info cpp sarge |
| 03:14.36 | jshriver | I get this "scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices" |
| 03:14.38 | dpkg | cpp: (The GNU C preprocessor (cpp)), section interpreters, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 03:14.41 | monsoon | cthulfuego, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE 192.168.0.5 is giving me Bad argument '192.168.0.5' |
| 03:14.42 | jesse | cthulfuego, All the mysql error logs are empty. |
| 03:14.42 | Solet | afabuab: i find nothing about a modem in that commands output... no anything about its pci slot address |
| 03:14.49 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: Nope. |
| 03:14.50 | afabian | Bogus8: If you ever have a choice of compiler, you're best off with the system default unless you're programming C/C++ and want better standards compliance of later versions or some such. gcc 2.95 will compile about 95% of the code out there, and gcc 3.3 probably like 99.9% of new code.. so. |
| 03:14.53 | cthulfuego | jesse: syslog |
| 03:15.01 | jesse | cthulfuego, does not even mention mysql |
| 03:15.15 | Bogus8 | afabian: i'm just havining an error here and don't know how to fix it :( |
| 03:15.16 | cthulfuego | jesse: try starting it by hand, check for output. |
| 03:15.38 | cthulfuego | jshriver: scsi support != scsi disk support |
| 03:15.38 | jesse | cthulfuego, that was my last idea.. problem is I'm not sure what extentions to throw at it to get it to start... |
| 03:15.39 | Solet | afabian: lspci lists it as "0000:00:0b.0 Modem: intel Corp.: Unknown device 1080 (rev 04)" |
| 03:15.44 | jshriver | Is SCSI emulation for USB Mass storage the same as Scsi disk? |
| 03:15.45 | jshriver | ooh.. |
| 03:15.52 | jshriver | let me compile the module then brb |
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| 03:16.29 | K_Dallas | how do i make apt-get upgrade to stop downgrading me? |
| 03:16.36 | Bogus8 | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 03:16.37 | Bogus8 | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 03:17.03 | raf256 | help, |
| 03:17.04 | tcsetattr | Bogus, I think you should see config.log for more details |
| 03:17.09 | aficionado | anyone else using the marillat deb sources? apt can grab the list but when I try to install it complains that it can't find the actual deb package |
| 03:17.17 | Bogus8 | tcsetattr: it's massive and I don't understand any of it :( |
| 03:17.17 | afabian | Solet: I'm more used to BSD. Sorry, I'm not much good at finding Linux device names. Did you read dmesg? |
| 03:17.31 | raf256 | my freaking eth cards load in wrong order, I want to card A be eth0 and card B be eth1. Now it is the other way around. How to fix this? |
| 03:17.32 | jesse | cthulfuego, any ideas ? |
| 03:17.34 | cthulfuego | jesse: See '/usr/bin/mysqld_safe' |
| 03:17.35 | aficionado | I tried ftp'ing and the path that apt tries to access doesn't exist anyways... |
| 03:17.46 | K_Dallas | aficionado, that site is being rearranged i guess. wait a day or two |
| 03:17.47 | Solet | yes... it said nothing of a modem or 00:0b.0 |
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| 03:17.52 | nvz | yeah going from BSD device names to those which are sane and understandable could be a difficult adjustment |
| 03:17.53 | tcsetattr | raf256, use nameif or ifrename |
| 03:18.01 | aficionado | K_Dallas: really? :-/ |
| 03:18.06 | jesse | cthulfuego, That file does not exist |
| 03:18.09 | Solet | although it did list to eth0's... and i only have one ethernet device in the machine |
| 03:18.13 | raf256 | tcsetattr: I tried before but it didnt worked well |
| 03:18.15 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: What are you compiling? |
| 03:18.18 | K_Dallas | everybody seems to have some problem with it since sarge has come out |
| 03:18.21 | jesse | cthulfuego, /usr/bin/safe_mysqld |
| 03:18.33 | cthulfuego | jesse: You on woody? |
| 03:18.37 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: mpd ( www.musicpd.org ) |
| 03:18.39 | jesse | cthulfuego, yeah Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql |
| 03:18.40 | jesse | 050610 03:18:23 mysqld ended |
| 03:18.42 | nvz | bsd uses names like /dev/ad0f0lmnop123qrstuv for the first partition on the first drive |
| 03:18.43 | K_Dallas | i did install mplayer from it yesterday but today no luck |
| 03:18.45 | monsoon | cthulfuego, you use deb amd64 dont you? |
| 03:18.50 | raf256 | tcsetattr: how can I mae shure that: " nameif should be run before the interface is up, otherwise it'll fail." ? |
| 03:18.57 | jesse | cthulfuego, there were quite a bit of updates earlier on apt... maybe that broke it? |
| 03:19.01 | aficionado | K_Dallas: I can see the exact path, is there anyway I can install a deb file directly from ftp (absolute path)? |
| 03:19.14 | afabian | K_Dallas: openntpd. doesn't change the time on my system... the system log has a string of improper adjtime calls. going to search to see if it's already been reported and possibly file a bug when i get around to it. |
| 03:19.19 | monsoon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.21 | bucky | raf256, do both nics use the same driver? |
| 03:19.30 | K_Dallas | aficionado, if you could download individual packages then get them and use : dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 03:19.35 | Solet | afabian: "eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x7849 advertising 05e1 Link 0000" |
| 03:19.36 | cthulfuego | jesse: safe-mysqld is a shells cript, edit it and add in log options. |
| 03:19.41 | raf256 | bucky: dunnp, how to check? one is build in into mainboard, second is PCI |
| 03:19.45 | cthulfuego | monsoon: more or less, yes |
| 03:19.46 | jesse | cthulfuego, Alright... |
| 03:19.52 | aficionado | K_Dallas: is there any way to point dpkg to the ftp source? (just curious) |
| 03:19.55 | afabian | Solet: eth0 isn't your modem. that much I do know. heh. |
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| 03:20.01 | jshriver | woohoo it works!! :) |
| 03:20.03 | jshriver | thanks everyone |
| 03:20.08 | K_Dallas | aficionado, dont know |
| 03:20.15 | jshriver | compiled the sd_mod; modprobe'd it... and voila! it works |
| 03:20.28 | cthulfuego | jesse: 'man mysqld' will list options. |
| 03:20.33 | bucky | raf256, put an alias for each card into /etc/modules.conf and specify the driver to get them to number right |
| 03:20.40 | K_Dallas | afabian, ok, sounds like a good plan |
| 03:20.46 | jesse | cthulfuego, well maybe I just should unisntall it and install it again... How do I make it resetup all the configs? |
| 03:20.54 | aficionado | K_Dallas: ok, thanks |
| 03:21.06 | cthulfuego | jesse: dpkg --purge mysql-server will wipe *all* of it. |
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| 03:21.22 | cthulfuego | jesse: Do you have data that requires saving? |
| 03:21.27 | jesse | cthulfuego, backed it up first. |
| 03:21.31 | narg | So, I tried ubuntu for a bit, and I significantly like thier initd scripts better, cleaner, more aestheticly pleasing, and faster. Also launchd looks nice. Is there a way to migrate the initd scripts? |
| 03:21.32 | cthulfuego | 'k |
| 03:21.33 | monsoon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:21.53 | cthulfuego | narg: if you like ubuntu, run ubuntu. |
| 03:21.58 | raf256 | and how do I run nameif - should I add it to init.d (how?) ? |
| 03:22.15 | K_Dallas | narg, just today i read in their chan that some like all about ubuntu but the initd ;) |
| 03:22.16 | cthulfuego | monsoon: is there an 64bit windows driver for the hardware you intend to use? |
| 03:22.34 | narg | k_dallos: Well, I like tcp/ip stack, does that mean I should run BSD? |
| 03:22.42 | monsoon | cthulfuego, yes and I have it and have used it on other 64bit distros (CRUX) |
| 03:22.50 | jesse | cthulfuego, Odd. that fixed it.. removed it.. installed it and copied /var/lib/mysql back in.. and now ii'm rolling. |
| 03:22.51 | K_Dallas | narg: are you talking to me? |
| 03:22.52 | jesse | cthulfuego, thanks |
| 03:22.59 | narg | no, :p |
| 03:23.03 | K_Dallas | ;) |
| 03:23.04 | cthulfuego | monsoon: if you use the normal, default gcc then, you should be fine. |
| 03:23.08 | raf256 | brb |
| 03:23.11 | narg | my eyes skipped a line, was talking to cthulfuego. |
| 03:23.19 | jesse | cthulfuego, I have another question.. Another weird problem today is that by either scp or ftp if I try to upload a file it just stops at 96 k . |
| 03:23.20 | afabian | narg: it's probably a seriously uphill battle. i guess you'd start by making debian packages that replace the init script package of debian. |
| 03:23.22 | monsoon | cthulfuego, even with sid? |
| 03:23.23 | jesse | cthulfuego, any idea wtf that would be... |
| 03:23.42 | afabian | Then, of course, there are packages that stick there own files in there... |
| 03:23.50 | cthulfuego | jesse: No... that's just odd. pppoe? MTU set correctly? |
| 03:23.56 | narg | So theres no relativly clean way of doing it? meh. I guess Ill just stay. |
| 03:24.16 | cthulfuego | narg: You could start your own distro, which is debian with ubuntu init scripts. |
| 03:24.22 | narg | :p |
| 03:24.40 | bucky | ubian |
| 03:24.44 | narg | Hrm, memby Ill do that on my other partition. Heh. |
| 03:24.45 | cthulfuego | narg: I find that onc a distro is installed I don't need to edit init scripts and they only run at bootup, twice a year... so it's pointless to worry about them. |
| 03:24.59 | narg | yea, I guess I rarely boot anyways. |
| 03:25.07 | narg | I just had to since power went out yesterday ;/ |
| 03:25.08 | cthulfuego | monsoon: yep |
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| 03:25.18 | jesse | cthulfuego, pppoe? ..mtu? sorry.. gibberish to me |
| 03:25.19 | monsoon | cthulfuego, ok cool thx |
| 03:25.24 | cthulfuego | jesse: Got dsl? |
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| 03:25.46 | jesse | cthulfuego, my internet here is cable... The server is in a data center in Virginia (ServerBeach) |
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| 03:26.13 | cthulfuego | jesse: Then i dunno. |
| 03:26.43 | astronut | i'm on pppoe |
| 03:26.47 | astronut | what was the question |
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| 03:26.50 | toast0 | pppoe is gross :) |
| 03:27.00 | K_Dallas | not really |
| 03:27.01 | astronut | toast0: of course it is, you think i have a choice? |
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| 03:27.46 | toast0 | not really, unfortunately there aren't very many alternatives in dsl (in my area, there's a good one though :) |
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| 03:28.11 | monsoon | cthulfuego, as far as the networking issue, im using masquerade now, but I think the laptop is still not seeing the desktop any ideas therre? |
| 03:28.23 | OBGurl | I'm forced to an 800x600 rez.... would like to go higher, is that attributied to my videocard drivers? |
| 03:28.38 | cthulfuego | monsoon: hammer |
| 03:28.41 | narg | OBGurl: That and your X config. |
| 03:28.42 | sollust | anyone know where I can get pre-compiled kernel modules? |
| 03:29.00 | cthulfuego | sollust: if you hold on a moment I will dcc you libroot.ko |
| 03:29.01 | K_Dallas | sollust, try apt-get |
| 03:29.12 | bucky | sollust, apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 03:29.33 | sollust | yeah, but I'm trying to do an install on a machine without a cd rom, and 3c905 card |
| 03:29.40 | sollust | the floppies don't have that module |
| 03:29.48 | sollust | so I need it from somewhere |
| 03:29.59 | bucky | !rube goldberg install |
| 03:29.59 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 03:30.16 | astronut | usb dot matrix printer? |
| 03:30.33 | OBGurl | ok.. here's another. I've got my pc plugged into a switch and DHCP stops working (works with Windows), any idea why? |
| 03:30.45 | astronut | OBGurl: is it set to use dhcp? |
| 03:31.07 | aficionado | I was connected to an LCD through the VGA port and now I want to connect to another using the DVI. So I disconnected the VGA, connected the DVI and restarted x, but there is no signal on DVI. Any ideas why? do I have to restart to get this to work? |
| 03:31.10 | sollust | so the kernel version is 2.4.26-1-386 |
| 03:31.13 | bucky | sollust, the floppies don't have the modules for a 3c905 card ? |
| 03:31.20 | sollust | bucky: nope |
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| 03:31.35 | sollust | in fact, the installer mentions this fact |
| 03:31.48 | astronut | aficionado: check your X config to make sure dvi is enabled |
| 03:31.49 | sollust | but they don't tell you what to do instead |
| 03:31.50 | michal_ | bob2: I've found that the best way to install is to use the netboot cd and only add it as a cdrom apt source.. then after initial setup finishes add the apt sources you want with apt-setup .. that lets you avoid installing all the unnecessary stuff. |
| 03:32.02 | OBGurl | astronut yes... because it works perfectly when plugging straight into the router. |
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| 03:32.37 | aficionado | astronut: oh, I didn't know there was specific setting for DVI... before it was working... what is the setting, do you know? |
| 03:32.38 | OBGurl | but when I go into the switch it doesn't work.... yet other machines plugged in the switch do |
| 03:32.48 | sollust | I know the modules are available on installer cd rom, but I just don't know how to get them off the CD |
| 03:32.48 | astronut | OBGurl: router eh? |
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| 03:32.55 | astronut | OBGurl: my guess is the router is doing your DHCP for you |
| 03:33.06 | OBGurl | astronut right... it is. |
| 03:33.09 | astronut | aficionado: well, some nviida cards have twinview, and it counts as a second head |
| 03:33.22 | astronut | OBGurl: did you connect switch to WAN port? |
| 03:33.22 | aficionado | astronut: hmm.... |
| 03:33.35 | OBGurl | you're saying I may have a dhcp server running on the debian box? |
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| 03:33.59 | OBGurl | astronut (uplink port) works fine. |
| 03:34.01 | bucky | sollust, i find that hard to believe but aparently woody 'compact' install floppies have that module and you could do a base install and then upgrade to sarge |
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| 03:34.11 | eeyore- | hey people |
| 03:34.20 | sollust | how would I check? |
| 03:34.41 | astronut | OBGurl: no, i'm saying the port may not be behind the router |
| 03:34.46 | zeng | Hi, is there any way to configure my local MTA qmail to authenticate itself to a remote smtp server? |
| 03:35.16 | OBGurl | astronut well... I'm sure it is... since this machine I'm on now is plugged into it too :) |
| 03:35.21 | eeyore- | zeng: to what end? |
| 03:35.28 | astronut | hmm |
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| 03:35.36 | zeng | eeyore-: what do you mean? |
| 03:35.38 | astronut | OBGurl: type /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:35.42 | astronut | on the deb box |
| 03:35.48 | eeyore- | zeng: why do you want it to do that? |
| 03:35.51 | astronut | could just be it thinks it still has the lease |
| 03:36.04 | OBGurl | astronut tried that. :) |
| 03:36.14 | zeng | eeyore-: the remote server needs authentication, and I'm on a LAN |
| 03:36.21 | astronut | OBGurl: hm, the other question is does the switch do anything funny with the MAC addresses? |
| 03:37.10 | eeyore- | zeng: why should you care that the remote server needs authentication? if you're sending mail *to* its domain, it should accept the mail without authentication. if you're sending mail to some place other than its domain, then you are abusing it (open relay?) |
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| 03:37.22 | bucky | sollust, http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html paragraph 4.2.2 |
| 03:37.48 | eeyore- | zeng: besides, if you let your MUA do the talking, that's the way it's supposed to work. the authentication happens in the MUA, not MTA<->MTA (unless you're doing something else) |
| 03:38.14 | zeng | eeyore-: usually it does work, but recently they changed their policy so that even local user have to auth first |
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| 03:38.22 | astronut | OBGurl: restarting router?? |
| 03:38.28 | sollust | kudos to bucky! |
| 03:38.34 | eeyore- | zeng: right, and that is a conversation that takes place between MUA<->MTA |
| 03:38.35 | trave11er | eeyore-: i am using the mail server of my hosting provider to send the outgoing mail, and it requires authentication |
| 03:38.53 | trave11er | and i am using local postfix to authenticate to remote |
| 03:39.04 | astronut | trave11er: why? if you're already running a mail server, why not just let it handle it? |
| 03:39.28 | eeyore- | travel: i would only make MTA<->MTA auth for things like batch transfers |
| 03:39.33 | astronut | mind you my workstation's postfix passes stuff to my server and it delivers it, but that's different as i control both servers and they're on the same IP |
| 03:39.37 | zeng | eeyore-: I use mutt to send mail, doesn't it first send mail to my local MTA, the the MTA send it to remote relayer? |
| 03:39.51 | sollust | so much for the great d-i for sarge: they made it pretty and took away floppy drivers. |
| 03:40.26 | bucky | sollust, they sqeezed the floppy install down to three floppies... |
| 03:40.48 | trave11er | astronut: there is a larger chance that my dynamic ip will be blacklisted |
| 03:40.55 | astronut | trave11er: aaahhh |
| 03:40.57 | astronut | that makes sense |
| 03:41.06 | jshriver | How can you split a file into multiple pieces of x size? |
| 03:41.15 | initech | jshriver: split |
| 03:41.19 | jshriver | I have some large files I need to split for transfer.. |
| 03:41.20 | sollust | bucky: yeah, I guess...they could have had "floppy 4" for additional drivers. eh...aw shucks |
| 03:41.23 | jshriver | 'k let me check the man |
| 03:41.26 | initech | jshriver: man split |
| 03:41.41 | trave11er | astronut: besides, having a single host for outgoing mail makes it possible not to change setup when you are traveling, etc |
| 03:41.43 | jshriver | how do you join them? just cat? |
| 03:41.46 | bucky | sollust, i know :_( |
| 03:41.49 | kreg | cool enough for ya? http://www.peteredge.orcon.net.nz/casepics.htm |
| 03:41.51 | initech | jshriver: yep |
| 03:41.56 | astronut | trave11er: true |
| 03:41.58 | jshriver | sweet thanks :) |
| 03:42.12 | OBGurl | astronut guess I could try that |
| 03:42.21 | astronut | OBGurl: i don't know...worth a shot |
| 03:42.24 | astronut | or check the router logs |
| 03:42.25 | jshriver | I love this drive... last time I bought one of these I paid $150 for 64megs, this 256meg was only $25 at Walmart lol |
| 03:42.28 | astronut | could be there's an issue with it |
| 03:42.31 | sollust | bucky: I was on the d-i list for a while...missed that detail. Off to make woody floppies |
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| 03:42.33 | astronut | do you have a max # of clients set? |
| 03:42.40 | sollust | bucky: thanks again... |
| 03:42.40 | bucky | sollust, good luck |
| 03:42.54 | jshriver | btw I'm really shocked... the JumpDrive has software for Mac/Windows AND Linux on it.. |
| 03:43.13 | Bogus8 | where does apache2 store it's www pages by default? ( /var/www/ ) right? |
| 03:43.17 | astronut | jshriver: encryption software or? |
| 03:43.19 | astronut | just drivers? |
| 03:43.24 | jshriver | Bogus8: yes |
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| 03:43.27 | eeyore- | jshriver: why do you need "linux software" for USB drives? |
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| 03:43.41 | Bogus8 | jshriver: hmm I can't seem to get a page or folder or file to work there :/ |
| 03:43.43 | jshriver | astronut: no... their security software... not sure how it works.. prob wont use it.. but still interesting |
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| 03:43.50 | eeyore- | jshriver: if it's about security, linux has better dm-crypt stuff anyway |
| 03:43.52 | astronut | net split |
| 03:43.53 | jshriver | Bogus8 check the apache.conf |
| 03:43.59 | astronut | jshriver: would you trust it? |
| 03:43.59 | astronut | lol |
| 03:44.05 | smacnay | dmesg |
| 03:44.06 | jshriver | astronut, lol no |
| 03:44.07 | smacnay | oops |
| 03:44.13 | astronut | wait, are we talking an encrypted section of disk or plug in disk to turn off screensaver? |
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| 03:44.22 | eeyore- | jshriver: nah, dm-crypt + blowfish (or aes, if that's your thing) |
| 03:44.22 | Bogus8 | jshriver: it doesn't say anything about a path (which was weird I thought) but I do get the default apache page (well debian's one) |
| 03:44.27 | jshriver | astronut: if it's not open sourced... what happens 10 years from now when I find this thing and can't access it... |
| 03:44.38 | astronut | jshriver: exactly :-D |
| 03:44.41 | jshriver | eeyore-: never heard of dm-crypt.. will have to check it out |
| 03:45.07 | eeyore- | jshriver: you'd be lucky if it's not super-secure XOR "encryption" :-))))) |
| 03:45.12 | jshriver | lmao |
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| 03:45.16 | astronut | what was that old one? |
| 03:45.23 | astronut | that stored the password in plaintext or something |
| 03:45.26 | astronut | s/password/key |
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| 03:45.55 | eeyore- | jshriver: 10 years from now you'd forget the password anyway :-> |
| 03:45.57 | jshriver | Bogus8, hrm not sure... |
| 03:46.03 | Bogus8 | jshriver: AH, I see the problem... oversight... with that apache2-default directory |
| 03:46.05 | jshriver | eeyore-: true true |
| 03:46.06 | OBGurl | what can I run to change my vid driver? |
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| 03:46.20 | jshriver | Bogus8, find it? |
| 03:46.36 | Bogus8 | jshriver: yeah, that extra directory in there was throwing me off |
| 03:46.45 | jshriver | while I'm here... is there *ANY* way of seeing a file list for a package, and more importantly where it stores stuff while installed? |
| 03:46.46 | Bogus8 | I assumed it was the html root |
| 03:46.48 | K_Dallas | how should i call kdevelop on command line? |
| 03:47.00 | jshriver | kdevelop |
| 03:47.00 | jshriver | ;) |
| 03:47.05 | eeyore- | jshriver: i can't believe our engineering manager (he's not my boss any more) thinks "xor encryption" is secure enough to use on a $10,000 piece of software. shithead. |
| 03:47.08 | K_Dallas | that is not recognized |
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| 03:47.32 | jshriver | eeyore-, you have to be kidding.. where did he get his degree from Bob's Crab Shack and Engineering school |
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| 03:48.26 | jshriver | There have been times I've installed a package, and had no idea where it went.. took me a while to find out where the lg went |
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| 03:48.49 | Bangersssss | anyone familiar with sudo? and can help me |
| 03:49.00 | K_Dallas | Bangersssss, just ask |
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| 03:49.13 | eeyore- | jshriver: it's partly my fault. i made a decent aes library to encrypt and all, but i made *ONE TYPO* that made it not work on x86 platform (forgot to do byte-order conversion) and then i went on vacation. the programmer that was working at the time couldn't be assed to try to understand why it works on SPARC and not x86, and he came up with "xor encryption". when i got back i was FURIOUS! |
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| 03:49.42 | Bangersssss | Ive got my sudoers file, and it's working, but when a user inside the group i've given ALL=(ALL) ALL to does "sudo su -" |
| 03:49.46 | Bangersssss | it puts them straight into root. |
| 03:49.53 | Bangersssss | I want it to ask them to re-enter THERE password |
| 03:49.59 | Bangersssss | just incase the terminal was left openm |
| 03:50.04 | astronut | what's typical severity of new wish upstream available? |
| 03:50.05 | jshriver | eeyore-, might not be appropriate, but did you write a 4 line of code program to crack a sample? and show how simple it is for him? that might change his mind |
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| 03:50.25 | dopey | astronut: wishlist |
| 03:50.30 | astronut | ok, cool |
| 03:51.23 | astronut | Somehow i set the email address reportbug used |
| 03:51.26 | astronut | but now i dont' remember how |
| 03:51.36 | kingsley_ | Why would ntpdate's daily log file entry show that my box's clock is being adjusted by times up to *13* hours? |
| 03:51.53 | astronut | kingsley_: check your clock? |
| 03:52.00 | bob2 | kingsley_: is it being put to sleep/changing the cpu frequency? |
| 03:52.17 | kingsley_ | astronut: How would I check the clock? |
| 03:52.22 | astronut | kingsley_: "date" |
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| 03:52.40 | Bogus8 | could someone look at this error log and see what happened? http://pastebin.ca/13869 |
| 03:52.42 | astronut | ah, found it |
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| 03:52.48 | astronut | Bogus8: care to tell us what it's a log of? |
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| 03:53.19 | Bogus8 | astronut: trying to configure mpd www.musicpd.org |
| 03:53.25 | astronut | which is? |
| 03:53.27 | kingsley_ | bob2: I doubt it's sleeping or that the cpu's frequency is changing, but I suppose I can't eliminate the possibility that an unknown process is meddling with one or the other. But I'm not. |
| 03:53.29 | bungopolis | I want to install MySQL 4.1 on Sarge, but I've noticed that there is a mysql-server (currently 4.0) and a mysql-server-4.1 package ... why is there this distinction? It seems weird that I would install a package named mysql-server-4.1 -- what happens when 4.2 comes out? |
| 03:53.32 | Bogus8 | mp3 daemon |
| 03:53.41 | bob2 | Bangersssss: try using the timestamp_timeoutoption, I guess |
| 03:53.50 | bob2 | Bangersssss: but NOPASSWD should certainly not do it |
| 03:53.57 | jshriver | bbiab |
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| 03:54.06 | kingsley_ | astronut: date's output looks fine because I just ran ntpdate, which syncronizes the clock. |
| 03:54.07 | bob2 | bungopolis: perhaps they're incompatible in a way that people might want both installed at once |
| 03:54.10 | chealer | bungopolis: there's a mysql 4.2? |
| 03:54.19 | astronut | kingsley_: well, maybe it was off 13 hours |
| 03:54.22 | bungopolis | chealer: hypothetically |
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| 03:54.46 | astronut | heh |
| 03:54.53 | astronut | they flooded people off when the networks rejoined |
| 03:55.18 | chealer | bungopolis: you'd install the package for mysql 4.2 |
| 03:55.28 | eeyore- | jshriver: he's known for never ever changing his mind once it's made up :-) |
| 03:55.30 | kingsley_ | astronut: My box's clock may have been off by 13 hours, but according the ntpdate's log file, the clock is often off by too much. |
| 03:55.47 | astronut | Bogus8: you have the 'config.log' file? |
| 03:55.52 | eeyore- | jshriver: and i learned long ago i don't like to kick a made hippo, they don't budge, and i hurt myself |
| 03:55.54 | astronut | kingsley_: hmm...check it manually sometimes |
| 03:55.56 | bungopolis | chealer, usually one upgrades the _same_ package when going to a new version, rather than installing a _different_ package every time |
| 03:55.59 | eeyore- | jshriver: s/made/mad |
| 03:56.03 | tcsetattr | 791. cpp: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory |
| 03:56.03 | Bogus8 | astronut: that's in in nopaste |
| 03:56.07 | Bogus8 | it* |
| 03:56.14 | astronut | Bogus8: which part? |
| 03:56.17 | bob2 | tcsetattr: sudo apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:56.20 | tcsetattr | that's odd. Why would the preprocess want to run the compiler? that's backwards |
| 03:56.27 | Bogus8 | astronut: ? how do you mean? |
| 03:56.37 | astronut | Bogus8: that whole thing is config.log? |
| 03:56.46 | Bogus8 | astronut: yeah :( |
| 03:56.49 | eeyore- | kingsley_: "ntpq", press "pe", see if there's any established peers (marked with *) |
| 03:56.55 | kingsley_ | I just remembered that a Casio digital watch started working better after I replaced its battery. I wonder if this box's motherboard needs a new clock battery... |
| 03:56.57 | astronut | cpp: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory |
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| 03:57.05 | tcsetattr | bob2, I know where cc1plus is... but why does the preprocessor want to run the compiler? is C++ _that_ weird? |
| 03:57.06 | chealer | bungopolis: that's when the package offers the version you're looking for |
| 03:57.12 | kooldeb | bob2: are you there ? |
| 03:57.15 | Bogus8 | astronut: hmm how can I fix that? |
| 03:57.16 | bob2 | tcsetattr: oh, duh me, good point |
| 03:57.20 | eeyore- | kingsley_: if there's no established peers, it's time to kill ntpd, and ntpdate manually to prime it (too far out of sync) |
| 03:57.37 | astronut | Bogus8: i have no clue where you get /lib/cpp from |
| 03:57.47 | Bogus8 | astronut: I apt-get everything |
| 03:57.50 | kingsley_ | eeyore-: ntpq: read: Connection refused |
| 03:57.57 | Bogus8 | astronut: probably from original cd |
| 03:57.58 | bob2 | kooldeb: ? |
| 03:58.02 | eeyore- | kingsley_: that (replacing battery) would only be an issue if you leave computer off for too long |
| 03:58.02 | Bogus8 | 3.1 stable |
| 03:58.11 | astronut | Bogus8: run 'dpkg -S /lib/cpp' |
| 03:58.21 | astronut | ok, it's package cpp |
| 03:58.21 | eeyore- | kingsley_: if there's no ntpd running, then you're running into the infamous "PC clocks can't keep time worth a darn" issue |
| 03:58.23 | kingsley_ | eeyore-: It's rarely if ever turned off. |
| 03:58.27 | eeyore- | kingsley_: so, please run ntpd :-) |
| 03:58.27 | kooldeb | bob2: ok I went through a How-to for UML installation and when I do linux ubd0=debian_installer ubd1=rootfs ubd2=varfs ubd3=swapfs I get: Kernel panic: outer trampoline didn't exit with SIGKILL. I also get the same message when I do linux by itself. ANy suggestions ? |
| 03:58.29 | astronut | apt-get install --reinstall cpp |
| 03:58.36 | Bogus8 | astronut: cpp: /lib/cpp |
| 03:58.39 | Bogus8 | that's all it says |
| 03:58.42 | eeyore- | kingsley_: you know that PC timers are notoriously inaccurate, right? |
| 03:58.57 | bob2 | eeyore-: the kernel doesn't use the hardware clock at runtime, tho |
| 03:59.01 | astronut | hmm, anyone smarter than me think this might be involved with the ABI change? |
| 03:59.03 | bob2 | kooldeb: are you using 2.6? |
| 03:59.18 | kooldeb | bob2: my current kernel is 2.6 |
| 03:59.25 | kingsley_ | eeyore-: There's no ntpd running. I use a cron job to run ntpdate nightly. |
| 03:59.25 | astronut | kingsley_: software clocks can get f*d if something hangs the system |
| 03:59.43 | bob2 | kooldeb: try "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1", then run it |
| 03:59.49 | eeyore- | kingsley_: still, if you use clocks, they will drift. why are you arguing anyway? |
| 03:59.49 | Bogus8 | astronut: same error :( |
| 03:59.51 | kooldeb | bob2: the UML kerlen is from debian_installer not sure which version |
| 03:59.59 | eeyore- | kingsley_: do i have to convince you that there's a problem? i don't have to :-) |
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| 04:00.07 | astronut | what's more accurate, running an ntpd or using ntpdate |
| 04:00.08 | astronut | ? |
| 04:00.40 | eranj | Hey guys |
| 04:00.40 | kingsley_ | eeyore-: I ran ntpdate manually about 15 minutes ago. It corrected the clock by 407 seconds. |
| 04:00.42 | trave11er | astronut: ntpd adjusts time continuously, ntpdate just once |
| 04:00.45 | astronut | i had diff times on two boxes that were set up one with and one without ntpd..when i pulled ntdp, they matched |
| 04:00.47 | eeyore- | astronut: ntpd keeps it accurate on ongoing basis. ntpdate is one-shot. if there's something happening in the meantime (like bad nforce2 chip / drivers) then clock will REALLY be out of whack |
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| 04:01.07 | kooldeb | bob2: thanks for the feedback. I tried that, same error :( |
| 04:01.24 | astronut | hmmph... |
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| 04:01.46 | kingsley_ | eeyore-: I agree that there's a problem. Having said that, I'm not sure what to do and I need to go put my son to bed, but much like California's governor, I'll be back! |
| 04:01.51 | eeyore- | astronut: my nforce2 motherboard used to get so out of sync that ntpd can't fix it. have to run ntpdate every 10 minutes |
| 04:01.51 | bob2 | kooldeb: sudo mv /lib/tls /lib/no-tls/ |
| 04:01.53 | astronut | ntp-refclock - Network Time Protocol: daemon for reference clocks |
| 04:01.53 | astronut | ntp-server - Network Time Protocol: common server tools |
| 04:01.53 | astronut | ntp-simple - Network Time Protocol: daemon for simple systems |
| 04:01.56 | pe-de-moleque | Only with aptitude i can do a full upgrade to 3.1? |
| 04:01.57 | astronut | which is it? |
| 04:02.00 | astronut | eeyore-: i hate my mobo |
| 04:02.02 | kooldeb | bob2: it seems that whether I run "linux" or "linux ubd0=debian_installer ubd1=rootfs ubd2=varfs ubd3=swapfs" its the same thing |
| 04:02.02 | bob2 | cthulfuego: ooh, what did you get? |
| 04:02.02 | OBGurl | anyone know what the driver for an GF4MX card is called in aptitude? :| |
| 04:02.05 | cthulfuego | astronut: ntp-simple |
| 04:02.12 | eranj | Could some1 please explain me how to add a new user to a specific group? I don't really understand... |
| 04:02.19 | hdo781 | Has anyone read a good review of the newly released Debian Sarge? |
| 04:02.20 | cthulfuego | bob2: Olympus D545 |
| 04:02.22 | Bogus8 | astronut: reinstalling cpp didn't help :( |
| 04:02.24 | bob2 | OBGurl: the "nv" driver works fine |
| 04:02.38 | bob2 | OBGurl: if you want the binary-only ones, /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 04:02.39 | astronut | Bogus8: might be something with ABI changes, that' over my head, ask in #d-d |
| 04:02.48 | bob2 | eranj: sudo adduser username grouptoaddthemto |
| 04:02.53 | bob2 | eranj: assuming username exists |
| 04:02.55 | cthulfuego | bob2: We just needed one for a job, so we _were_ going to geta shitty $99 one at officeworks, but they were rude to us, so we went to Dick Smith instead and spent 4 times the amount ;-) |
| 04:02.58 | OBGurl | ok thanks |
| 04:03.00 | kooldeb | bob2: still same thing :( |
| 04:03.03 | astronut | OBGurl: "nvidia" |
| 04:03.05 | astronut | is the driver you want |
| 04:03.05 | Bogus8 | astronut: thanks |
| 04:03.07 | bob2 | cthulfuego: haha |
| 04:03.10 | astronut | OBGurl: apt-cache search nvidia |
| 04:03.16 | eranj | username doesn't exist.only group exist |
| 04:03.18 | Xuse | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/debian.html |
| 04:03.20 | astronut | nvidia breaks my box, i think it's the mobo |
| 04:03.22 | bob2 | cthulfuego: where we = your pre-tax income? ;) |
| 04:03.27 | bob2 | kooldeb: that is weird |
| 04:03.29 | astronut | Xuse: you the maintainer by any chance? |
| 04:03.36 | eranj | then what I should do? |
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| 04:03.40 | cthulfuego | bob2: Mind you, this thing (including 512Mb xD card) cost 1/3 what my previous camera cost. |
| 04:03.40 | Xuse | no ;p |
| 04:03.46 | bob2 | cthulfuego: hah, wow |
| 04:03.50 | fwiw39 | hello - is anybody here who uses both debian AND freebsd? |
| 04:03.58 | fwiw39 | if so, i would like to talk to you |
| 04:03.59 | cthulfuego | bob2: we = company, yes. the company is doing interviews for a market research company and needs the camera. |
| 04:04.11 | bob2 | cthulfuego: I regret buying a sony camera, if only for the stupid expense of memory sticks |
| 04:04.15 | bob2 | fwiw39: just ask your question |
| 04:04.18 | kooldeb | bob2: not sure whats the problem, but it seems the command linux is associated with something other than I am trying to install |
| 04:04.20 | astronut | hdo781: i run sarge....::shrug:: |
| 04:04.26 | OBGurl | astronut I tried a search in aptitude for 'nvidia' found nothing. |
| 04:04.30 | Empty | cthulfuego, I see upon waking from your dreaming death in the depths of the sea you ate cafuegos soul first, then good stuck in #debian... So can we say that He WHo Must Not Be Named endorses OSS? |
| 04:04.31 | toast0 | fwiw39: i use debian at home and freebsd at work |
| 04:04.31 | bob2 | kooldeb: what does "which linux" print? |
| 04:04.34 | bob2 | cthulfuego: ah |
| 04:04.36 | eranj | bob2: got an answer 4 me? |
| 04:04.39 | astronut | OBGurl: it's in non-free |
| 04:04.49 | astronut | packages.debian.org/nvidia-kernel-source if you compile your own kernels |
| 04:04.49 | hdo781 | Where do I get the mplayer plugin for firefox? |
| 04:04.50 | toast0 | fwiw39: but... at work we've got our own packaging system on top of fbsd |
| 04:04.58 | bob2 | eranj: su create the user then |
| 04:05.07 | cthulfuego | bob2: it was always a toss-up between a digital SLR or a compact olympus; the latter have by FAR the best optics of consumer grade cameras. |
| 04:05.08 | astronut | hdo781: add ftp.nerim.net to your apt sources.list, install mozilla-mplayer |
| 04:05.16 | bob2 | cthulfuego: hmm |
| 04:05.17 | kooldeb | bob2: it prints: /usr/bin/linux, which is not supposed to I believe. |
| 04:05.18 | OBGurl | I have to recompile for this ? |
| 04:05.18 | eranj | and then the command will move the user to the group? |
| 04:05.22 | tcsetattr | apparently cpp doesn't really exist anymore. The supposedly "separate from the compiler" cpp-3.3 package includes the compiler, cc1 |
| 04:05.29 | bob2 | cthulfuego: I was seduced by sony's "carl zeiss" optics |
| 04:05.46 | cthulfuego | bob2: http://www.choice.com.au |
| 04:05.54 | bob2 | eranj: it won't move it, it will add it |
| 04:05.59 | michal_ | bob2: aptitude show ~pstandard for a listing of some of the unnecessay packages a clean sarge install tries to force :P |
| 04:05.59 | bob2 | eranj: perhaps you misphrased your question |
| 04:06.01 | Empty | bob2, new digicam? |
| 04:06.04 | cthulfuego | bob2: Yeah, they may as well put "Von Dutch" on there ;-) |
| 04:06.05 | hdo781 | mozilla-mplayer is no longer available at ftp.nerim.net |
| 04:06.06 | bob2 | michal_: hah |
| 04:06.10 | bob2 | cthulfuego: haha |
| 04:06.22 | bob2 | Empty: nah, bout a sony dsc-p150 a while ago |
| 04:06.31 | eranj | I said that I've got a group but no users inside. I want to add a new user to the specific group.how do I do it? |
| 04:06.33 | Empty | Hey I have that bad boy |
| 04:06.36 | Empty | I think |
| 04:06.45 | cthulfuego | bob2: A friend got himself a big-FO canon digital SLR for a trip to japan. |
| 04:06.51 | cthulfuego | bob2: Can't competer with that ;-) |
| 04:07.00 | bob2 | cthulfuego: the canon ixus ones seem to produce nice looking pictures, and are bloody tiny |
| 04:07.04 | michal_ | bob2: is this supposed to be a bug or a feature.. I'm not sure if I should report it as a bug or not |
| 04:07.22 | tcsetattr | eranj, I'd use vigr |
| 04:07.23 | cthulfuego | bob2: Olympus have a nice new tiny one too. |
| 04:07.30 | eranj | what's vigr?? |
| 04:07.32 | kooldeb | bob2: it prints: /usr/bin/linux |
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| 04:07.38 | michal_ | vi groups |
| 04:07.40 | Empty | bob2, NM its a P71 |
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| 04:08.00 | Xuse | hdo781 http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=mozilla-mplayer&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 04:08.01 | Empty | eranj, man adduser |
| 04:08.10 | cthulfuego | bob2: I pretty much stayed brand loyal; my old on is an olympus and it was great. (it actually still works, but it's OLD and SLOW and 1.2Mpixel and uses 4 batteries. |
| 04:08.23 | bob2 | cthulfuego: hah, yeah, the ubuntu conference was full of people with canon EOS ones |
| 04:08.30 | toast0 | i've got an apparently buggy via usb 2 chipset... are there any workarounds? (i'm seeing io errors on my mass storage device...) |
| 04:08.30 | bob2 | Empty: ah, similar deal |
| 04:08.34 | bob2 | kooldeb: ok, weird |
| 04:08.35 | cthulfuego | In fact, it's SO old that when it was bought, an 8mb smartmedia card cost a fortune. |
| 04:08.42 | eranj | that's my problem. I've read it but I don't get how to add a user to existed group |
| 04:08.48 | fwiw39 | APT-GET question - i have a slow connection at home... is there a way to apt-get update at home, then take some sort of file list to work and download the packages there...then load them in cd and apt-get install from the cd? |
| 04:08.59 | bob2 | cthulfuego: hah, right. |
| 04:09.00 | Empty | eranj, adduser user group |
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| 04:09.05 | kooldeb | bob2: what do you think I should do at this point ... I really need that UML up |
| 04:09.08 | Guerin | fwiw39: apt-move |
| 04:09.15 | Guerin | fwiw39: or apt-zip |
| 04:09.17 | toast0 | updating to the 2.6.11 seemed to help some, but i still get errors when trying to dd stuff (later than originally) |
| 04:09.19 | bob2 | fwiw39: apt-zip is good for that |
| 04:09.29 | eranj | it says that the user doesn't exist. |
| 04:09.31 | cthulfuego | bob2: And this one now plays nice with iphoto on the macs and plusg right into the printer. |
| 04:09.35 | bob2 | eranj: dude |
| 04:09.38 | bob2 | eranj: go create a user |
| 04:09.40 | Xuse | 2.6.11 saved my debian install. ;p |
| 04:09.49 | bob2 | cthulfuego: ah, neat |
| 04:09.54 | Xuse | for some reason 2.6.8 hated my comp. |
| 04:09.54 | Empty | eranj, man adduser LOL |
| 04:09.57 | eranj | then it'll add the user to the group bro? |
| 04:10.14 | Empty | eranj, there is a switch for -gid |
| 04:10.16 | bob2 | cthulfuego: I was kinda amused that iphoto did nothing by default when my sister plugged her camera in, you had to tell it to import photos |
| 04:10.20 | Bogus8 | how do I make sure my kernel headers match my current kernel? |
| 04:10.23 | bob2 | cthulfuego: whereas gnome Just Does It... |
| 04:10.27 | fwiw39 | question - should i let my 8 y.o. daughter use debian? |
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| 04:10.30 | eranj | I don't understand the man on this certain use.Only want to add a user to the group I already created. |
| 04:10.31 | Empty | eranj, so, um, man adduser |
| 04:10.33 | bob2 | eranj: just create the user |
| 04:10.39 | tcsetattr | u |
| 04:10.43 | tcsetattr | oops |
| 04:10.43 | bob2 | eranj: then come back and we'll tell you how to put it in the group |
| 04:10.50 | bob2 | fwiw39: it's hard to tell if you're a troll or just clueless |
| 04:10.52 | cthulfuego | bob2: <heh> I'm sure you can make it. |
| 04:10.56 | kooldeb | bob2: is it supposed to refer to /usr/bin/linux ? if not, how can we configure it not to ? |
| 04:11.04 | bob2 | fwiw39: assuming you're clueless, of course it's fine |
| 04:11.27 | eranj | it put the new user in the same user name group. it's username 'eran' in 'eran' group |
| 04:11.37 | bob2 | eranj: indeed |
| 04:11.37 | ethics | fwiw39, well if you download the debs you need.....maybe save the list to a text file copy them int /var/cache/apt/archives and it wont need to go fetch them anymore |
| 04:11.39 | K_Dallas | fwiw39, there is no problem with that. maybe it is better to refine your question |
| 04:11.45 | eranj | how do I put it in 'workgroup' group? |
| 04:11.47 | cthulfuego | bob2: gnome has massive issues with an iSight though |
| 04:11.54 | bob2 | eranj: now run 'sudo adduser eran workgroup' |
| 04:11.57 | bob2 | cthulfuego: hah, I bet |
| 04:11.58 | fwiw39 | bob2 - i'm clueless. i'm a recent windows refugee |
| 04:11.58 | Empty | fwiw39, check out Debian for Kids |
| 04:12.21 | fwiw39 | windows has really hurt my heart and soul |
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| 04:12.26 | bob2 | fwiw39: why on earth would you be concerned about your daughter using Debian then? |
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| 04:12.32 | Empty | fwiw39, much safer than windows if your concern is the welfare of your computer |
| 04:12.33 | fwiw39 | too complex for her |
| 04:12.34 | K_Dallas | fwiw39, what do you want your kid to do with debian? |
| 04:12.40 | Bogus8 | how do I make sure my kernel headers match my current kernel? |
| 04:12.41 | eranj | it asks for room number for the user 'eran' i've created.what should I write? |
| 04:12.58 | Empty | fwiw39, firefox with a few good flash games kids sites |
| 04:13.00 | fwiw39 | kdal - use the web, play some educational games, but most of those are windows |
| 04:13.09 | bob2 | eranj: leave it blank |
| 04:13.15 | trave11er | eranj: this is an optional field |
| 04:13.20 | ethics | bogus /usr/src has your headers make sure the names the same and theres only one? |
| 04:13.27 | K_Dallas | fwiw39, that is what i mean, if your games are for windows let her stay on windows |
| 04:13.31 | kooldeb | bob2: any hints please ? |
| 04:13.34 | eranj | 10x traveller |
| 04:13.34 | ethics | bogus if there are more remove the wrong ones using apt |
| 04:13.36 | fwiw39 | ah |
| 04:13.42 | Empty | LMAO |
| 04:13.45 | bob2 | kooldeb: does it work if you reboot into a 2.4 host kernel? |
| 04:13.50 | cthulfuego | 10 travellers? Sheesh, how thirsty can you be? |
| 04:13.53 | Xuse | or buy her a mac. |
| 04:13.59 | Empty | I was stabbing for the Kids factoid and hit this gem |
| 04:14.01 | Bogus8 | ethics: where are they located? |
| 04:14.02 | Empty | !kids |
| 04:14.03 | dpkg | ONE THING KIDS LIKE is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take talon's little nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to a burned-out warehouse. "Oh, oh," I said. "Disneyland burned down." He cried and cried, but I think that deep down he thought it was a pretty good joke. noise that gets dirty |
| 04:14.11 | eranj | I got 'eran' in 'workgroup'. u're terrific!!!! |
| 04:14.17 | kooldeb | bob2: I dont have a 2.4 unfortunately, but I dont think it would be such of a difference . |
| 04:14.26 | Empty | uh oh workgroup? |
| 04:14.26 | ethics | Bogus: /usr/src in the directories called KErnel Headers and kernel version |
| 04:14.31 | bob2 | kooldeb: I'd be very very surprised if it didn't fix it |
| 04:14.42 | bob2 | kooldeb: (this sounds exactly like the problem I had when running uml under 2.6) |
| 04:14.43 | Empty | eranj, you trying to make Samba work? |
| 04:14.47 | findme | !java |
| 04:14.47 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 04:14.48 | fwiw39 | lol kids! i'm sure with time there will be linux gangs in middle school in a few years. kids these days |
| 04:14.48 | Bogus8 | ethics: thanks |
| 04:14.49 | bob2 | kooldeb: what did google say about the error? |
| 04:15.03 | K_Dallas | fwiw39, my daughter uses her xandros for watching some video clips or sometimes to type in openoffice or so but most of her games and educational stuff are on windows |
| 04:15.03 | kooldeb | bob2: how can I make linux refer to something else than /usr/bin/linux |
| 04:15.12 | kooldeb | bob2: not much results there at all. |
| 04:15.14 | eranj | Empty: that's what I'm trying to do |
| 04:15.16 | bob2 | kooldeb: how would that help? |
| 04:15.23 | ethics | Bogus8, just make sure your uname -r has the same version |
| 04:15.24 | bob2 | kooldeb: you know what /usr/bin/linux is, right? it's a kernel. |
| 04:15.35 | Bogus8 | ethics: thanks |
| 04:15.39 | Empty | eranj, Have you read the howtos? |
| 04:15.41 | eranj | why is it so hard to configure samba? |
| 04:15.46 | eranj | I've read some |
| 04:16.01 | Empty | eranj, samba isn't very hard for home use |
| 04:16.11 | fwiw39 | kdal - can't you run the windows programs in qemu or bochs? |
| 04:16.14 | kooldeb | bob2: but when we run the command linux ubd0=debian_installer ubd1=rootfs ubd2=varfs ubd3=swapfs , it just does not work whethere with or without arguments... |
| 04:16.14 | eranj | how could I make it easier? |
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| 04:16.27 | fwiw39 | uh |
| 04:16.30 | bob2 | kooldeb: yes, exactly |
| 04:16.38 | bob2 | kooldeb: which points to something deeply wrong |
| 04:16.43 | K_Dallas | fwiw39, i just dont see why i would bother |
| 04:16.47 | kooldeb | bob2: exactly |
| 04:16.49 | Empty | eranj the only way I can think of is a security nightmare |
| 04:16.55 | OBGurl | bob2 what do I put in my source list to get contrib and non-free? |
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| 04:16.56 | K_Dallas | got win98, win-xp, and xandros on the same box |
| 04:16.59 | bob2 | kooldeb: like...it not being compatible with your kernel |
| 04:17.05 | Empty | eranj, read the howtos look at sample configs |
| 04:17.05 | bob2 | OBGurl: paste yours to #flood |
| 04:17.07 | Bogus8 | ethics: it has two sets of headers and apt-get installs both and removes both kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 04:17.29 | bob2 | kooldeb: http://usermodelinux.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=131 |
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| 04:17.40 | kooldeb | bob2: which kernel are you running, and which UML kernel are you using ? |
| 04:17.45 | ethics | Bogus uname -r |
| 04:17.47 | bob2 | kooldeb: where did you get your user-mode-linux package from? |
| 04:17.59 | WiFiTux | some new packages are in Sid about gnome, I wonder if they fix things. |
| 04:18.02 | Bogus8 | ethics: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 04:18.09 | eranj | Empty: the howto I'm reading wasn't very accurate about the group creation and about moving a new user in the an existed group |
| 04:18.10 | kooldeb | bob2: apt-get install user-mode-linux |
| 04:18.11 | bob2 | this seems amazingly TLS related |
| 04:18.13 | OBGurl | bob2 argh... I can't. sshd wants to bind and address but can't since I'm on a switch. |
| 04:18.21 | Bogus8 | ethics: can I mv the -2 then make a symlink to -2-686 named -2?? |
| 04:18.23 | bob2 | kooldeb: on what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:18.24 | eranj | that's what made the problem |
| 04:18.33 | bob2 | OBGurl: being on a switch won't cause that problem |
| 04:18.33 | Empty | eranj well thats basic linux stuff |
| 04:18.34 | Bangersssss | Does debian have an off the CD workstation installation CD? |
| 04:18.38 | ethics | Bogus8, apt-get remover kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 04:18.40 | Bangersssss | which will installs X/KDE/Gnome etc etc |
| 04:18.44 | ethics | Bogus8, apt-get remove kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 04:18.47 | Bogus8 | ethics: it removes them both |
| 04:18.49 | bob2 | OBGurl: anyway, add thw words "contrib non-free" (no quotes) at the end of the line that points at your debian mirror |
| 04:18.55 | kooldeb | bob2: am runnig kernel 2.6.11.7 |
| 04:19.00 | Empty | !tell Bangersssss about d-i |
| 04:19.01 | Bangersssss | I want to use linux at home, i'm a semi noob, and love the new fedora look, but i dont wanna use it, rather use debian |
| 04:19.07 | ethics | Bogus8 ok then you need both tomake it work....you should be good |
| 04:19.13 | Bangersssss | but cbf installing X/Gnome manually |
| 04:19.14 | bob2 | kooldeb: that's not a debian version...what does "dpkg -l user-mode-linux | tail -n1" print? |
| 04:19.15 | Guerin | -to for UML installation and |
| 04:19.16 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.16 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.16 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.16 | *** kick/#debian [Guerin!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 04:19.16 | K_Dallas | Q: Why am i not able to add myself to /etc/sudoers ? Each time i add it, it gets wiped out somehow! |
| 04:19.20 | ethics | Bogus8, give it a bash |
| 04:19.21 | eranj | after I've got an account on linux for the my win machine I should open the same account in samba? |
| 04:19.25 | Bogus8 | ethics: grr then why is cpp failing me :( |
| 04:19.27 | OBGurl | bob2 well... in the auth.log I see: error bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed address already in use. |
| 04:19.28 | ethics | !prize guerin |
| 04:19.31 | Empty | OMG |
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| 04:19.39 | OBGurl | ok |
| 04:19.40 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 04:19.44 | Guerin | sorry chaops |
| 04:19.48 | Empty | Someone /topic "debhelper has kicked Guerin from #debian (flood)" |
| 04:20.00 | WiFiTux | lol |
| 04:20.03 | kooldeb | bob2: the output for that is : ii user-mode-linu 2.4.18.17um-1 User-mode Linux (kernel |
| 04:20.04 | Guerin | i blame putty and its stupid paste on right-house |
| 04:20.09 | Guerin | mouse, too |
| 04:20.09 | bucky | Bangersssss, what do you have against a net install ? |
| 04:20.26 | ethics | try making a link. ln -s //usr/src/kernel-headers=2.6.8-2-686 linux in the usr/src directory |
| 04:20.35 | bob2 | OBGurl: that means something is already running on port 22 |
| 04:20.38 | kooldeb | bob2: and I am using as a guide: http://uml.pimb.org/howto/uml-debian-install.html |
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| 04:20.39 | bob2 | OBGurl: presumably ssh |
| 04:20.46 | bob2 | kooldeb: that package is too old |
| 04:20.50 | Bangersssss | http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/ |
| 04:20.52 | Agrajag- | anyone happen to know of anything that can do pdf->txt conversion, or a console based pdf viewer or something? |
| 04:20.55 | Bangersssss | is that the new debian release? |
| 04:20.56 | ethics | try making a link. ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 linux in the usr/src directory fixed syntax |
| 04:20.57 | Bangersssss | those ISO's? |
| 04:21.02 | bob2 | kooldeb: and has the bug mentioned in the URL I pointed you at |
| 04:21.03 | Bangersssss | im confused by woody, sarge etc |
| 04:21.07 | bucky | !d-i |
| 04:21.08 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:21.13 | kooldeb | bob2: ok say I want to start anything uml from scratch, what should I do exactly ?? |
| 04:21.36 | eranj | how do I reply to nickname like u do? |
| 04:21.47 | Empty | Bangersssss, get the ISO for the computer in question and use, get connected to the net, then use aptitude to install whartever else you want |
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| 04:22.08 | kooldeb | bob2: should I do apt-get remove user-mode-linux --purge ? |
| 04:22.10 | bob2 | kooldeb: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/user-mode-linux/user-mode-linux_2.4.26-3um-1_i386.deb |
| 04:22.11 | Empty | eranj, try typing the first few letters and hitting tab |
| 04:22.16 | bob2 | kooldeb: download that and install it with dpkg |
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| 04:22.36 | Bangersssss | Empty: so if I use apt-get to install X/KDE, does the apt-get install everything needed? I cbf manually configuring X, or making it look all pretty and shit |
| 04:22.39 | toresbe | Bangersssss: will the machine you are installing it on have net access? |
| 04:22.42 | kooldeb | bob2: after getting rid of the old user-mode-linux right ? |
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| 04:22.44 | Bangersssss | Yep... |
| 04:22.47 | sach | hey guys |
| 04:22.51 | bob2 | kooldeb: no |
| 04:22.56 | Empty | it installs all dependencies |
| 04:22.59 | toresbe | Bangersssss: you might want to use the netinstall CD. |
| 04:23.04 | bob2 | kooldeb: dpkg will upgrade it when you install a new version of an existing package |
| 04:23.04 | sach | i know this is not the right place... but, where can i find a chanel about tv tuners and hardware |
| 04:23.04 | kingsley_ | What's a good way to tame an unstable system clock? Run ntpdate more often? |
| 04:23.05 | kooldeb | bob2: oh so it does update it automatically |
| 04:23.09 | toresbe | Bangersssss: it contains the bare minimum and lets you install from there |
| 04:23.10 | bob2 | yet another reason dpkg > * |
| 04:23.18 | roman | I need some help... I am having problems with a sound card (Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller). I have checked on google and it seems to be a common problem with that controller, however people still manage to get it working. Also, it works in wintendo... One other thing to note is that in KDE InfoCenter says under Sound Config: No sound card configured... any ideas? |
| 04:23.18 | bob2 | kingsley_: that is very very broken |
| 04:23.30 | toresbe | Bangersssss: but if you do want a glossy desktop with no effort, I recommend Ubuntu |
| 04:23.34 | kingsley_ | bob2: What's broken? |
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| 04:23.44 | bob2 | kingsley_: at boot time the kernel reads the time from the hardware, then it keeps track of it afterwards...something is meessing that up, which is bad |
| 04:23.47 | Bangersssss | toresbe: whats that? a desktop managaer? |
| 04:23.57 | kooldeb | bob2: ok and after installing that, I should retry the howto from the beginning, or at least from the linux command part ?? |
| 04:24.01 | bucky | Bangersssss, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ try the stable i386 |
| 04:24.05 | Bangersssss | I dont want a full glossy desktop, but the 'nice' things fedora does...boot screen, login screens etc I'd like to be taken care for me |
| 04:24.10 | toresbe | Bangersssss: May I tell you in a pm? It's not a very popular subject here ;) |
| 04:24.13 | bob2 | kooldeb: just try running linux |
| 04:24.23 | Bangersssss | but I dont want fedora lol, im a unix admin so I like my terminal and do everything from that |
| 04:24.27 | Bangersssss | toresbe: sure. |
| 04:24.31 | kingsley_ | bob2: I suspect the hardware clock's time is drifting.. |
| 04:24.37 | kooldeb | bob2: ok brb, lemme try installing it and I will paste the output for linux for you. |
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| 04:24.47 | bob2 | kingsley_: that won't affect a running system |
| 04:25.01 | EvilSporkMan | what package for manpages for select(2), fork(2), etc? |
| 04:25.08 | bucky | toresbe, which version of debian are you using? |
| 04:25.11 | bob2 | EvilSporkMan: manpages-dev |
| 04:25.32 | EvilSporkMan | bob2: thanks |
| 04:25.44 | toresbe | bucky: Sid, Sarge, and a Woody box I'll get around to updating soon |
| 04:25.49 | eranj | Do u know a 'turntable' mp3 mixing program for linux? |
| 04:25.59 | bob2 | eranj: terminatorX |
| 04:26.05 | nvz | eranj: terminatorx |
| 04:26.10 | bucky | toresbe, so why are you telling people to use ubuntu in this channel? |
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| 04:26.12 | eranj | I'll give it a shot. anything else? |
| 04:26.14 | kooldeb | bob2: ok am getting a differnt output when running linux now |
| 04:26.24 | bob2 | kooldeb: #flood |
| 04:26.32 | toresbe | bucky: Because it was pretty clearly it was what he wanted. |
| 04:26.36 | toresbe | s/ly// |
| 04:26.37 | nvz | eranj: thats the only thing in debian worth using |
| 04:27.10 | kooldeb | bob2: pasted on #flood |
| 04:27.18 | OBGurl | Is this right? deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ contrib non-free |
| 04:27.18 | bob2 | kooldeb: the first bit is caused by you not giving it correct command line arguments |
| 04:27.28 | bucky | toresbe, i don't think you should be telling people to use ubuntu here |
| 04:27.32 | kooldeb | bob2: ya this is just running linux plain |
| 04:27.38 | Bangersssss | does debian have a decent windows remote desktop client yet? |
| 04:27.39 | bighead | hi all |
| 04:27.41 | toresbe | bucky: I really don't care about that. |
| 04:27.43 | Bangersssss | well, linux I should say.... |
| 04:27.43 | kooldeb | bob2: I think I should try to give it the arguments by now |
| 04:27.46 | bob2 | kooldeb: there you go |
| 04:27.48 | bob2 | kooldeb: yes |
| 04:27.51 | bob2 | kooldeb: it's running now |
| 04:27.58 | toresbe | Bangersssss: I believe so... |
| 04:27.59 | bucky | toresbe, you don't even use debian |
| 04:28.05 | toresbe | bucky: wtf? |
| 04:28.06 | bighead | so, if I do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; will i switch to the new Sarge? |
| 04:28.14 | bob2 | OBGurl: what version of debian are you using? |
| 04:28.16 | eranj | Are u sure terminatorX got turntables? |
| 04:28.18 | kooldeb | bob2: let me try it, it looks like its gonna work, I will let you the outcome :) |
| 04:28.20 | bob2 | bighead: yes, but please read the release nots |
| 04:28.29 | bighead | bob2: ok. thanks |
| 04:28.30 | OBGurl | sarge |
| 04:28.31 | trave11er | OBGurl: it should have distribution after the url |
| 04:28.39 | bob2 | OBGurl: add "sarge" before contrib (no quotes) |
| 04:28.50 | bob2 | it is very disturbing that a missing rootfs makes UML oops, tho |
| 04:28.59 | OBGurl | how about stable? |
| 04:29.05 | bob2 | OBGurl: that's fine too |
| 04:29.13 | OBGurl | so.. deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable contrib non-free |
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| 04:29.20 | dreammer_ | is there an elegant way to define http site in the /etc/apt/sources.list file that doesn't have the standard subdirectory structure....... or how would one best install the series of debs found here --> http://people.debian.org/~halls/openoffice/test/ <-- Is downloading and "dpkg -i name_of_package" the way to go ...... ? |
| 04:29.21 | toresbe | bucky: I run my entire server farm and all my workstations but my amd64 on Debian. The AMD64 runs a vanilla Ubuntu, and I contribute to Skolelinux with translation, bughunting/fixing. |
| 04:29.21 | bob2 | OBGurl: yes |
| 04:29.24 | OBGurl | :) |
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| 04:29.39 | toresbe | bucky: At debconf I'm going to be a full-time volunteer on the video team. |
| 04:29.52 | OBGurl | Argh... still get an error with that one liner of yours. |
| 04:29.56 | bob2 | dreammer_: that's not an apt source |
| 04:30.09 | bucky | toresbe, debian doesn't use irssi v0.8.4 |
| 04:30.14 | bob2 | dreammer_: ie you cant point apt at it at all. ask Chris Halls to fix it if you like. |
| 04:30.40 | kooldeb | bob2: just wondering, did u mount it under /target or somewhere else ? |
| 04:30.48 | bob2 | kooldeb: mount what? |
| 04:30.59 | kooldeb | the uml filesystem |
| 04:31.04 | toresbe | bucky: ...oh you so leet. It does, you idiot. It's in woody. |
| 04:31.08 | eranj | I got Samba working at last! wohooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10x every1!!! |
| 04:31.15 | bob2 | kooldeb: er, you don't mount it in the host system |
| 04:31.20 | bob2 | kooldeb: unless you're using hostfs |
| 04:31.21 | dreammer_ | bob2 ---- is it then download and ..... dpkg -i name_packages ? |
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| 04:31.26 | bob2 | dreammer_: yes |
| 04:31.27 | bucky | toresbe, don't call me idiot when you're in here telling people to use ubuntu |
| 04:31.30 | bob2 | dreammer_: no one but chris can fix it |
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| 04:31.42 | kooldeb | blob2: check out http://uml.pimb.org/howto/uml-debian-install.html under 3,5 |
| 04:31.49 | dreammer_ | bob2 (that seems a bit messy) |
| 04:31.49 | bob2 | bucky: toresbe come on guys |
| 04:31.59 | bob2 | dreammer_: its only one package |
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| 04:32.30 | toresbe | bob2: sorry |
| 04:33.07 | bob2 | kooldeb: I dont know why they're doing that |
| 04:33.24 | bob2 | kooldeb: I'd just get mdz's root image and boot into it, no fucking around making my own system |
| 04:33.29 | Bangersssss | is 3.1 sarge or woody? |
| 04:33.38 | eranj | I got access through samba from my win. machine to my linux. how do I allow creating dirs and deleting files? |
| 04:33.47 | fwiw39 | lol ubuntu |
| 04:33.51 | bucky | Bangersssss, it's sarge |
| 04:33.51 | bob2 | Bangersssss: sarge |
| 04:33.58 | dreammer_ | bob2 actually it is about a dozen packages... |
| 04:34.00 | toresbe | Bangersssss: It's.... sarge! |
| 04:34.06 | fwiw39 | was TOY STORY made in linux? |
| 04:34.16 | bob2 | dreammer_: er |
| 04:34.18 | kooldeb | bob2: hmm, I dont think I read this anywhere on the howtos so far , so not sure how that gonna be |
| 04:34.23 | bob2 | dreammer_: did you mean the subdirs? |
| 04:34.39 | toresbe | fwiw39: yeah |
| 04:34.45 | fwiw39 | tore - cool |
| 04:34.46 | toresbe | fwiw39: well, parts of it |
| 04:34.46 | nvz | fwiw39: pixar animations uses linux |
| 04:34.48 | OBGurl | bob2 sorry to bug you again.... I ran that one liner... it finnished, but now what? :| |
| 04:35.02 | toresbe | fwiw39: they used some very specialized hardware too |
| 04:35.04 | drag_sid | places use linux a lot more then back when toy story was made |
| 04:35.05 | dreammer_ | bob2 --- umm yeah... i wasn't quite clear |
| 04:35.13 | bob2 | dreammer_: they are apt sources then |
| 04:35.13 | drag_sid | that's ancient history... |
| 04:35.25 | bob2 | OBGurl: if it ran without errors, you should only have to reboot |
| 04:35.30 | fwiw39 | do any animators run on BSD? or is taht just for mission-critical stuff like servers and nasa? |
| 04:35.37 | drag_sid | madagascar, the new cartoon movie, was made by people using Gnome. |
| 04:35.42 | kooldeb | bob2: so you had to do something like linux ubd0=debian_installer ubd1=rootfs ubd2=varfs ubd3=swapfs, and then what did you do ?? |
| 04:35.44 | OBGurl | doesn't say that in the instructions. :P |
| 04:35.58 | bob2 | kooldeb: do you know what that command does? |
| 04:35.59 | drag_sid | with pro tools, though. |
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| 04:36.09 | drag_sid | no blender stuff. :) |
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| 04:36.10 | pabl0 | someone has configured sasl with postfix? |
| 04:36.15 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 04:36.18 | bob2 | pabl0: yes, it's painful |
| 04:36.25 | sparr_ | how do i make an ext2 initrd image? |
| 04:36.31 | fwiw39 | mlalkaka - is your name supposed to be malaka? |
| 04:36.36 | geekboi | I'm trying to wget a DVD ISO image from my Apache 2.0.54-4 server running on Sarge 2.6.8-2-686. The size is around 4GB |
| 04:36.42 | pabl0 | the passwords in /etc/postfix/saslpass should be plain text? |
| 04:36.47 | bob2 | sparr_: if you're compiling your own kernel you don't want a initrd |
| 04:36.49 | mlalkaka | fwiw39, no |
| 04:36.51 | geekboi | When I try to get it, apache logs an error 75 file too large |
| 04:36.52 | kooldeb | bob2: not 100 %, but I understand that its passing the debian_installer and filesystems created as arguements to boot the kernel |
| 04:36.53 | bob2 | geekboi: apache2 doesn't do files > 2GB |
| 04:36.57 | sparr_ | bob2: im well aware of that |
| 04:36.59 | bob2 | kooldeb: yes |
| 04:37.02 | toresbe | bob2: seriously? |
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| 04:37.07 | geekboi | bob2: apache says it does |
| 04:37.11 | kooldeb | bob2: as well as the sawp space that I created |
| 04:37.12 | toresbe | bob2: how does debian.org serve DVDs then? |
| 04:37.14 | bob2 | geekboi: not in debian it doesn't |
| 04:37.18 | drag_sid | ftp |
| 04:37.21 | bob2 | toresbe: ftp, afaik |
| 04:37.23 | drag_sid | file transfer protocol |
| 04:37.24 | toresbe | ah |
| 04:37.25 | geekboi | I see |
| 04:37.28 | kooldeb | bob2: correct me if I am wrong please. |
| 04:37.28 | drag_sid | that's what it's their for. |
| 04:37.31 | toresbe | well, that's awfully limited |
| 04:37.31 | pabl0 | bob2, the passwords in /etc/postfix/saslpass should be plain text? |
| 04:37.36 | secure | ls |
| 04:37.40 | toresbe | !ls |
| 04:37.41 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 04:37.42 | bob2 | pabl0: small.dropbear.id.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.htm |
| 04:37.48 | drag_sid | toresbe, why? |
| 04:37.53 | pabl0 | ohh via mysql |
| 04:37.57 | smacnay | toresbe: bittorrent as well I believe |
| 04:37.59 | drag_sid | you just have the page in apache, link to big files in ftp. |
| 04:38.01 | eeyore- | what does it matter what pixar uses ... the secret sauce is not the OS, it's in their software / character-animation expertise |
| 04:38.03 | bob2 | pabl0: or plain files |
| 04:38.04 | toresbe | drag_sid: ...because one might want to serve file above 2gb? |
| 04:38.05 | dreammer_ | bob2 -- how would one define 'em as apt sources in the sources.list file? |
| 04:38.10 | drag_sid | you use ftp. |
| 04:38.14 | toresbe | drag_sid: not exacly unheard of these days |
| 04:38.19 | bob2 | dreammer_: deb http://people.debian.org/~halls/openoffice/test/ooo1.9-java/ ./ |
| 04:38.21 | toresbe | drag_sid: ...OVER HTTP? |
| 04:38.24 | fwiw39 | QUESTION - i have win xp on a primary sata drive. i want to install a 2nd harddisk and put debian on it. what's the best way to ensure my windows OS doesn't mess up my debian disk and vice versa? put both drives in drive drawers? |
| 04:38.31 | drag_sid | http is for webpages. |
| 04:38.31 | bob2 | fwiw39: please stop being so annoying |
| 04:38.37 | fwiw39 | ? |
| 04:38.38 | drag_sid | hyper text transfer protocol. |
| 04:38.46 | kooldeb | bob2: was I wrong ? |
| 04:38.47 | bob2 | fwiw39: starting questions with "QUESTION - " is annoying |
| 04:38.49 | bob2 | kooldeb: no |
| 04:38.54 | toresbe | drag_sid: cute. Still, noone cares about that |
| 04:38.55 | bob2 | kooldeb: just leave me alone for a minute |
| 04:39.00 | bob2 | I'm trying to bloody install uml |
| 04:39.04 | kooldeb | bob2: sorry, |
| 04:39.10 | kooldeb | bob2: yourself hehe |
| 04:39.25 | eeyore- | fwiw39: XP on "bios first drive", put linux on any other drive. windows like to be on bios first drive. |
| 04:39.36 | bob2 | fuck my laptop is slow |
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| 04:39.41 | bob2 | especially since it was new 6 months ago |
| 04:39.46 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 04:39.49 | eeyore- | fwiw39: linux is not gonna destroy your windows, and likewise. if you can somehow manage to do that, well then, it's your fault |
| 04:39.53 | kooldeb | bob2: Dell ? |
| 04:39.55 | toresbe | bob2: speedstep stuff? |
| 04:39.59 | bob2 | kooldeb: ibm x40 |
| 04:40.03 | OBGurl | bobTWO Still ca't select a higher rez. any other solutions? |
| 04:40.04 | toresbe | bob2: oh, <3 |
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| 04:40.07 | bob2 | toresbe: the cpu is pegged at 1.2 |
| 04:40.18 | toresbe | bob2: dang, still |
| 04:40.22 | kooldeb | bob2: IBM and Dell I would trust to be good quality |
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| 04:40.26 | pabl0 | bob2, ohh but you need to know the plain text password of your user in both cases.. |
| 04:40.26 | bob2 | OBGurl: you don't need the binary drivers for a higher res |
| 04:40.28 | Empty | bob2 mine too, but s/6 months/4 years/ |
| 04:40.31 | toresbe | bob2: my HP Celeron 466 has a 12" *passive* LCD |
| 04:40.35 | bob2 | kooldeb: it's the 4200rpm disk that kills it, I think |
| 04:40.41 | bob2 | toresbe: hah, old skool |
| 04:40.44 | eeyore- | kooldeb: i don't. first of all they both use IBM travelstar HD's. terrible. |
| 04:40.44 | Empty | my next laptop is slow too |
| 04:40.45 | fwiw39 | ...can debian take advantage of SATA drives like xp can? i have a cheapy 20 gb IDE drive i could throw debian on |
| 04:40.46 | dreammer_ | bob2 -- thanx :))) |
| 04:40.48 | bob2 | toresbe: my 12" lcd has splotches on it already |
| 04:41.01 | toresbe | bob2: well, it's *me*, of *course* it's old skool :P |
| 04:41.07 | bob2 | fwiw39: "take advantage"? |
| 04:41.12 | toresbe | bob2: get a firewire disk |
| 04:41.15 | mlalkaka | i installed debian when sarge was in testing. now that sarge is in the stable branch, does that mean new packages will not be added to it anymore? will sarge only receive security updates now? |
| 04:41.16 | bob2 | fwiw39: what on earth does that mean? of course it can use it |
| 04:41.18 | eeyore- | kooldeb: and dell lcd's tend to be scratched by their stupid pointing devices with sandpaper-like tips |
| 04:41.18 | bob2 | toresbe: hah |
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| 04:41.23 | kooldeb | bob2: ya .. I am running now on a Dell Inspiron fro the debian, really really nice. but that 4200 rpm does slow things down |
| 04:41.30 | Empty | it left HODGKINS, IL, US at 6:08AM EST and has not checked in yet :( |
| 04:41.30 | toresbe | bob2: I'm serious, the speed advantage is striking |
| 04:41.34 | fwiw39 | toresbe: are firewire hdd expensive? how much? |
| 04:41.40 | bob2 | toresbe: no firewire, adly |
| 04:41.41 | toresbe | fwiw39: *shrug* |
| 04:41.44 | OBGurl | bob2 ok... I'm reconfig xfree86... should I use nv or nvidia? |
| 04:41.44 | toresbe | bob2: usb2? |
| 04:41.47 | bob2 | toresbe: yeah |
| 04:41.50 | bob2 | OBGurl: I don't know |
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| 04:41.58 | kooldeb | eeyore-: I cannot name another better laptop... SOny ? Toshiba ? I pass. |
| 04:41.59 | toresbe | bob2: a nice pcmcia card, maybe...? They're dirt cheap |
| 04:42.03 | eeyore- | bob2: fujitsu drives. 2.5". cool, *quiet* |
| 04:42.06 | cthulfuego | kooldeb: fairly decent 5400rpm laptop HDs aren't that expensive anymore |
| 04:42.08 | toresbe | kooldeb: apple ones are apparently decent |
| 04:42.26 | Empty | bob2 have you juiced it with hdparm? |
| 04:42.26 | toresbe | rpm is a meaningless benchmark |
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| 04:42.33 | kooldeb | toresbe: I have an ibook. I dont like it as much as the Dell |
| 04:42.34 | toresbe | It's like MHz only even less useful |
| 04:42.42 | bob2 | eeyore-: hmm, what speed? |
| 04:42.45 | cthulfuego | toresbe: rpm =~ heat |
| 04:42.46 | eeyore- | bob2: i have one in my E-otonashi fanless case and it's really quiet, i can hardly hear it when the computer is on |
| 04:42.47 | bob2 | Empty: yeah |
| 04:42.50 | kooldeb | whats a command to find the rpm of the hD from Debian ?? |
| 04:42.54 | eeyore- | bob2: 5400rpm |
| 04:42.59 | toresbe | cthulfuego: true |
| 04:42.59 | bob2 | kooldeb: you can't, in general |
| 04:43.05 | pabl0 | bob2, ohh but you need to know the plain text password of your user in both cases.., right? |
| 04:43.05 | bob2 | kooldeb: it might be in the output of "dmesg" |
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| 04:43.15 | cthulfuego | kooldeb: Find the model via dmesg and look up the specs on the manufacturer's website |
| 04:43.17 | bob2 | pabl0: for CRAM-MD5 or PLAIN, yeah |
| 04:43.20 | bob2 | pabl0: run it over ssl |
| 04:43.22 | Empty | bob2 is disk IO the bottleneck? |
| 04:43.26 | pabl0 | ok |
| 04:43.47 | sussudio | kooldeb: cat /proc/ide/ideX/model |
| 04:44.04 | fwiw39 | ...hrmmm...i wonder if any hot chicks ever use debian. is there a website that has photos of hot chicks using debian? sigh |
| 04:44.06 | eeyore- | take the drive out and look at the label :-p |
| 04:44.08 | bob2 | Empty: I'm not sure...cpu isn't too busy, it just feels slow... |
| 04:44.12 | bob2 | fwiw39: good god |
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| 04:44.18 | eeyore- | fwiw: tubgirl! |
| 04:44.26 | bucky | bob2, with uml ? |
| 04:44.33 | sussudio | eeyore-: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6536902252 < disney goatse |
| 04:44.34 | eeyore- | i hope he went to look for "tubgirl" |
| 04:44.35 | toresbe | where's that debconf3 pic |
| 04:44.38 | Empty | bob2 and not swapping I assume? |
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| 04:44.46 | toresbe | with the woman leaning up to the Onyx? |
| 04:44.49 | bob2 | bucky: in general |
| 04:44.51 | fwiw39 | sigh |
| 04:44.57 | bucky | bob2, you take a 60% hit with uml |
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| 04:45.04 | bob2 | Empty: hmmm, it is pretty deep in swap |
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| 04:45.11 | cthulfuego | fwiw39: I have a site with photos of guys being anally raped with a debian cd, if you'd like that... |
| 04:45.13 | bob2 | I need to save up for another 512MB of ram or something |
| 04:45.15 | fwiw39 | toresbe - what's the onyx? is that the red swirl? |
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| 04:45.36 | Empty | bob2 that or something, what are you running over X? |
| 04:45.44 | bob2 | Empty: gnome |
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| 04:45.54 | eeyore- | bob2: maybe you need to ..... gentoo? :-) |
| 04:45.56 | eeyore- | *ahem* |
| 04:45.59 | Empty | bob2, well... might be time to go play with xfce or fluxbox |
| 04:46.18 | bob2 | kooldeb: hah |
| 04:46.21 | bob2 | kooldeb: it fucking boots |
| 04:46.24 | bob2 | TAKE THAT, UML |
| 04:46.26 | Empty | bob2, flux is really high speed low drag for as functional as it is |
| 04:46.29 | cthulfuego | bob2: the cache may be swapped out though. |
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| 04:46.54 | bob2 | Empty: yeah, little things annoy me, tho...like not locking maximised windows to the borders |
| 04:47.11 | bob2 | and the assosity of the default theme |
| 04:47.11 | Empty | bob2 Oh well sorry then mate |
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| 04:47.12 | eeyore- | cthulfuego: 2.6.11 doesn't dip into swap as much. i'm running either gentoo-sources or ck-sources at the moment and neither of them dip much into swap, on our interactive boxes |
| 04:47.21 | bob2 | Empty: good suggestion tho, thanks |
| 04:47.23 | kooldeb | bob2: I believe Dell mostly uses 4200 rpms from what I just seen on their website . |
| 04:47.28 | theboneman | hello |
| 04:47.36 | cthulfuego | eeyore-: That's a matter of adjusting swappiness on proc i guess |
| 04:47.40 | Empty | Hey what package can make Gnome icons all fiSHEYed like the OS X chooserthing? |
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| 04:47.47 | eeyore- | cthulfuego: out of the box :-) |
| 04:47.48 | michal_ | how come apt-setup doesn't add non-us source lines? |
| 04:47.51 | theboneman | um |
| 04:47.55 | bob2 | kooldeb: get the image from people.d.o/~mdz/uml/. bunzip2 it. rename it to "root_fs". run "linux" in the same dir as it |
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| 04:47.58 | bob2 | kooldeb: enjoy! |
| 04:48.00 | cthulfuego | eeyore-: Yeh, different default value. |
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| 04:48.04 | bob2 | kooldeb: (this is on 2.6.10) |
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| 04:48.05 | Empty | michal_, non-us is deprecated |
| 04:48.11 | theboneman | how would i configure my ide-scsi emulation in grub |
| 04:48.14 | michal_ | empty: oh? since when? |
| 04:48.15 | eeyore- | cthulfuego: used to be linux was all swap-happy |
| 04:48.29 | Empty | michal_, since the NSA decided encryption wasn't "munitions" anymore |
| 04:48.32 | theboneman | say for lilo.conf append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 04:48.37 | cthulfuego | eeyore-: sysctl vm.swappiness |
| 04:48.42 | michal_ | also contrib.. is thee a reason that isn't added by default? to do with licensing? |
| 04:48.45 | OBGurl | bob2 I got it with nvidia. :) |
| 04:48.49 | bob2 | OBGurl: woo |
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| 04:48.52 | OBGurl | thanks for everything. |
| 04:48.55 | cthulfuego | eeyore-: What is it on 2.6.11 |
| 04:48.55 | michal_ | empty: i didn't realise that ever happened |
| 04:48.57 | Empty | michal_, contrib is licensing I think |
| 04:48.59 | OBGurl | Say hello to bob1 for me. :P |
| 04:49.00 | eeyore- | cthulfuego: unknown key |
| 04:49.01 | bob2 | OBGurl: np, sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| 04:49.05 | bob2 | OBGurl: hehe |
| 04:49.09 | cthulfuego | eeyore-: Pffft! |
| 04:49.16 | bob2 | Empty: contrib is Free stuff that needs non-free stuff to work |
| 04:49.35 | michal_ | do security updates cover non-free? |
| 04:49.37 | toresbe | sussudio: hahaha, that's so... beautifully wrong |
| 04:49.42 | cthulfuego | eeyore-: Well, here it's 60 on 2.6.8 and 60 on 2.6.12-rc5-git8 |
| 04:49.46 | kooldeb | bob2: it worked ??? cool. |
| 04:49.55 | eeyore- | bbl |
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| 04:50.12 | bob2 | so that's bob2's one line UML howto |
| 04:50.18 | kooldeb | bob2: ok get the image, rename it, boot it with which arguments exactly if you mind me asking... what about swap ?? |
| 04:50.20 | eyeris | Is anyone else having trouble with the gnome-core package in unstable conflicting with the libgnomevfs package? |
| 04:50.29 | bob2 | kooldeb: no arguments! |
| 04:50.29 | Empty | bob2, ah thanks |
| 04:50.41 | michal_ | hmm.. no xen in sarge? |
| 04:50.41 | cthulfuego | eyeris: http://bugs.debian.org |
| 04:50.42 | bob2 | kooldeb: worry about swap after you get it to boot |
| 04:50.48 | bob2 | eyeris: gnome in sid is screwed |
| 04:50.50 | kooldeb | bob2: lol... and what about swap ? |
| 04:50.55 | michal_ | i hope someone backports xen 2.0.x to it |
| 04:50.59 | eyeris | thanks |
| 04:51.09 | bob2 | god I love dsl |
| 04:51.15 | bob2 | I'm going to cry when I go back to 512 |
| 04:51.36 | michal_ | bob2: dsl is 512 |
| 04:51.39 | kooldeb | bob2: ok. so if I just run linux, how is it supposed to know where rootfs (the image we downloaded) |
| 04:51.45 | bob2 | michal_: not here it isn't |
| 04:51.57 | bob2 | kooldeb: it apparently defaults to using root_Fs |
| 04:52.04 | Empty | bob2, dualchannel ISDN? |
| 04:52.16 | michal_ | bob2: here we have the option of 256, 512 or 1500.. there is faster dsl but it's VERY uncommon at the moment. |
| 04:52.38 | Empty | michal_, 512k ISDN != 512k DSL |
| 04:52.47 | kooldeb | bob2: I created a swap file so I guess I could do linux ubd3=swapfs , sounds right ? |
| 04:52.47 | valdyn | michal_: here you get ~1000,2000,3000,4000,6000 |
| 04:52.53 | bob2 | kooldeb: I guess so |
| 04:53.00 | kooldeb | bob2: how much RAM u have on your system ? |
| 04:53.05 | michal_ | empty: there is no 512k ISDN here.. ISDN maxes out at 128k |
| 04:53.11 | bob2 | kooldeb: 512 |
| 04:53.27 | cthulfuego | michal_: 2x64, you mean |
| 04:53.28 | Empty | michal_, jesus I was thinking in bits i think |
| 04:53.31 | Empty | someone shoot me |
| 04:53.39 | kooldeb | bob2; same here, am thinking to go 1 gb when I get more cash |
| 04:53.47 | michal_ | cthulfuego: yes.. didn't realise that was different but I guess it is |
| 04:53.53 | kooldeb | bob2; 1 gb should be cool with Debian |
| 04:54.29 | sussudio | !rotkind cthulfuego |
| 04:54.30 | dpkg | Hee cthulfuego, ga je mee naar de PUNICA OASE? |
| 04:54.31 | Empty | my new lap has 1.7ghz P4, 1G RAM, and an an ATI Mobility w/64 onboard |
| 04:54.41 | bob2 | cthulfuego: no more backup line? |
| 04:54.44 | Empty | and GigE which makes me feel saucy |
| 04:55.09 | OBGurl | Is kde-devel what I'd need to get kde desktop running? |
| 04:55.13 | Empty | button, in true corporate fashion, it shows up on Tuesday... |
| 04:55.24 | kooldeb | bob2: brb gonna try that uml |
| 04:55.26 | cthulfuego | bob2: I cancelled ISDN here when I moved eerything to brissie |
| 04:55.27 | kooldeb | which me luck |
| 04:55.30 | bob2 | OBGurl: that's for developing kde things |
| 04:55.34 | Empty | ...the same day I am going to be tied up in an emergency migration which I just found out about today. |
| 04:55.34 | craigevil | DDR ram is cheap, you can get 1GB for <$30 |
| 04:55.43 | cthulfuego | bob2: I wasn't going to pay $300 for hosting AND $300 for an unused isdn line |
| 04:55.44 | bob2 | OBGurl: "kde" should install the kde desktop stuff |
| 04:55.48 | bob2 | cthulfuego: ah, right |
| 04:55.52 | cthulfuego | craigevil: Not in the civilised world. |
| 04:56.21 | craigevil | in th USA it is if you buy online |
| 04:56.52 | cthulfuego | craigevil: that's what I said |
| 04:56.59 | Empty | cthulfuego, $30 USD buys you 1G of RAM here if you know the right back alleys and don't mind wiping blood off it |
| 04:57.30 | Empty | cthulfuego, and if you are extra thrifty just buy 20 bucks worth of rock and offer that as straight trade |
| 04:57.45 | kooldeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.56 | glick | hey can xmms use .wal files? |
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| 04:58.14 | sussudio | wtf are wal files |
| 04:58.23 | glick | wal files are winamp skin format |
| 04:58.24 | bob2 | kooldeb: er, d.o =debian.org, of course |
| 04:58.47 | kooldeb | bob2: oh lol |
| 04:59.15 | Empty | !fgi .wal+xmms |
| 04:59.27 | OBGurl | Mmm looks liek it's already installed. now to find whre I can change it heh |
| 04:59.41 | kooldeb | bob2: I believe you got Debian-3.0r2.ext2.bz2 ? |
| 04:59.45 | tcsetattr | is /dev/shm actually used by any real world programs, or can I safely get rid of it? |
| 04:59.48 | cthulfuego | Empty: make it US$40 and send it to me. 1Gb stick of PC3200 please |
| 04:59.56 | bob2 | kooldeb: ok! |
| 05:00.01 | bob2 | tcsetattr: libc6 uses it |
| 05:00.06 | tcsetattr | for what? |
| 05:00.13 | Empty | OK eBay style... that'll be $90 shipping |
| 05:00.14 | kooldeb | bob2: wow are you upset ? :) |
| 05:00.18 | cthulfuego | tcsetattr: IPC services |
| 05:00.24 | cthulfuego | tcsetattr: run 'ipcs' |
| 05:00.25 | bob2 | no... |
| 05:00.33 | tcsetattr | I never had a /dev/shm until the sarge upgrade (well, it was an empty directory maybe) |
| 05:00.54 | cthulfuego | tcsetattr: No, but you DID have IPC services. /dev/sdhm is just an addition for extra functionality. |
| 05:01.13 | bob2 | tcsetattr: yes, it's a new-ish thing |
| 05:01.25 | tcsetattr | OK, but as far as I can tell, "POSIX IPC" is the less-used variant, and Sysv IPC was never widely used either. /dev/shm looks like a problem to me because there are no apparentl per-user usage limits |
| 05:01.38 | cthulfuego | tcsetattr: Basically, ipcs is the SYSV way different processes can talk to eachother and share data. |
| 05:01.57 | bob2 | tcsetattr: look at the permissions |
| 05:02.02 | Empty | Is there anything that can do Visio stuff in linux, and still open in Visio? Alternately, something like Dia that runs on Windows? |
| 05:02.04 | tcsetattr | I wonder if it would even be noticeable if I compiled a kernel without sysvipc support |
| 05:02.04 | bob2 | tcsetattr: (only root can write to it) |
| 05:02.13 | bob2 | Empty: afaik dia runs on windows |
| 05:02.22 | tcsetattr | bob2, it was created rwxrwxrwt after the upgrade... is that not the usual thing? |
| 05:02.23 | cthulfuego | bob2: Uh, no. Any user can malloc data in ipc space. |
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| 05:02.45 | Empty | bob2, you are a saint |
| 05:02.46 | bob2 | cthulfuego: but they have rlimits, right? |
| 05:02.58 | valdyn | tcsetattr: any user can malloc, w/ or w/o /dev/shm |
| 05:03.05 | Empty | I did not know about http://dia-installer.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:03.13 | sussudio | Hm it's Penix's favourite video on TV... windowlicker |
| 05:03.13 | tcsetattr | right... tmpfs looks to me like a way around rlimits, and that's why I'm thinking it should go. |
| 05:03.36 | cthulfuego | bob2: Dunno, never tried :-) |
| 05:03.41 | bob2 | heh |
| 05:03.43 | cthulfuego | see 'man shmat' for info. |
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| 05:04.19 | tcsetattr | if having /dev/shm mounted opens the door to a malloc-bomb-ish attack, it's not a reasonable option |
| 05:04.22 | cthulfuego | The implementation has no intrinsic limit to the per-process maximum number of shared memory sments |
| 05:04.40 | cthulfuego | So even if there's a size limit, you can create more |
| 05:04.52 | cthulfuego | tcsetattr: mail lkml and ask them. |
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| 05:05.47 | cthulfuego | tcsetattr: if you set a max size and/or quota on tmpfs, that's hardly an issue. |
| 05:05.58 | tcsetattr | actually, after the upgrade to sarge, /dev/shm was not mounted. The system was still running fine. It only got mounted (with rwxrwxrwt permissions) after the first reboot. So I really have a hard time believing it's necessary |
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| 05:06.41 | tcsetattr | it must be one of those dumb things that we do for compliance with a standard that nobody cares about |
| 05:07.05 | bob2 | I doubt that |
| 05:07.13 | tcsetattr | if someone actually gave a real example of a program that _needs_ POSIX IPC, I missed it |
| 05:07.19 | bob2 | oh man |
| 05:07.28 | valdyn | tcsetattr: eh? |
| 05:08.35 | bob2 | ifupdown uses it |
| 05:08.35 | Empty | tcsetattr, You say it was not mounted from what input? df or mount can lie |
| 05:08.49 | kooldeb | bob2: so you just rename the whole Debian-3.0r2.ext2 to just roorfs correct ? |
| 05:09.08 | bob2 | kooldeb: no |
| 05:09.13 | valdyn | tcsetattr: im not sure how a certain *implmenetation* of a standard has to do with the *actual* standard |
| 05:09.14 | bob2 | kooldeb: root_fs |
| 05:09.30 | kooldeb | bob2: srry I forgot to put the _ |
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| 05:10.54 | kooldeb | bob2: GUESS WHAT ? it works, but its just sitting at Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference... |
| 05:11.10 | tcsetattr | valdyn, I'm not sure either. I've never read up on POSIX IPC, and I used sysvIPC once a long time ago. Maybe I've misunderstood the whole thing. But if nobody can tell me why it's mandatory for /dev/shm to be mounted, I think I'm safer leaving it unmounted |
| 05:11.43 | bob2 | kooldeb: maybe boot into init 1 or something |
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| 05:11.53 | valdyn | tcsetattr: main thing you are misunderstanding is that resource exhaustion is trivial to do on any system, w/ or w/o limits |
| 05:12.06 | kooldeb | bob2: you did not get that message ? |
| 05:12.08 | valdyn | tcsetattr: s/any system/any usuable system/ |
| 05:12.12 | bob2 | kooldeb: I did indeed |
| 05:12.22 | kooldeb | and what happened ? |
| 05:12.27 | bob2 | it hung |
| 05:12.30 | kooldeb | and ? |
| 05:12.31 | bob2 | but it's in userspace now |
| 05:12.31 | kooldeb | hehe |
| 05:12.34 | bob2 | so you should be able to fix it |
| 05:12.43 | nvz | ahh! omfg! I just seen a huge spider running down the wall |
| 05:12.43 | kooldeb | bob2: not sure how. |
| 05:12.46 | bob2 | boot into run level 1 and dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 05:13.02 | tcsetattr | valdyn, maybe I can't fix every DoS vulnerability but I'm not going to knowingly leave one open... I use quotas and rlimits and I take them seriously |
| 05:13.07 | nvz | I got goose bumps on my goose bumps |
| 05:13.07 | kooldeb | bob2: ok am at lost here... how you do what you just mentioned ? |
| 05:13.19 | bob2 | kooldeb: you don't know how to upgrade to sarge? |
| 05:13.25 | bob2 | or boot into 1? |
| 05:13.28 | kooldeb | bob2: no the first part |
| 05:13.40 | kooldeb | I know its init 1 |
| 05:13.47 | bob2 | "linux 1" |
| 05:13.53 | cthulfuego | tcsetattr: Again, why not email lkml with your concern and see if you get a response? |
| 05:14.00 | valdyn | tcsetattr: cat /dev/zero > /dev/shm/test |
| 05:14.14 | kooldeb | bob2: linux 1, same message, hanging |
| 05:14.20 | bob2 | ok |
| 05:14.27 | cthulfuego | tcsetattr: if anything, perhaps someone will agree it's a problem and fix it. |
| 05:14.32 | nvz | I'd like to think he's dead, cause if not he's probably not happy. I beat him with a dust pan and sucked him up in the vaccume |
| 05:14.44 | bob2 | awww |
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| 05:14.54 | tcsetattr | okay, thanks for your input everyone... the original question remains unanswered and I don't think it's productive to continue |
| 05:15.10 | bob2 | kooldeb: maybe init=/bin/bash or something |
| 05:15.17 | kooldeb | bob2: now am clueless....... please help !! I am so close of getting that @#@# running |
| 05:15.37 | bob2 | dude |
| 05:15.46 | bob2 | if I was billing, I'd have a new car out of you |
| 05:15.51 | cthulfuego | where's my car? |
| 05:15.54 | bob2 | I'm trying to fix it, but please wait |
| 05:16.10 | nvz | these spiders have to realize as long as I am in the basement, they can't be in the basement |
| 05:16.22 | bob2 | nvz: did you put a sign on the door? |
| 05:16.25 | trave11er | tcsetattr: i think ifupdown keeps some state files in shmem |
| 05:16.55 | nvz | bob2: nope, just came down with a shop vac and sucked up all their unborn children |
| 05:17.03 | bob2 | ouch |
| 05:17.13 | bob2 | careful they don't hatch in the vac |
| 05:17.15 | tcsetattr | well if that breaks, it'll be noticeable for sure |
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| 05:18.21 | nvz | hmm .. that would not be good |
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| 05:19.05 | ethics | nvz: well itll be worse if you keep the vac downstairs ....give it back ehhe |
| 05:19.34 | nvz | erm, yeah but then I am defenseless |
| 05:19.52 | nvz | I think I should just put gas in there and suck up a lit match.. heh |
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| 05:20.26 | nvz | when the smoke clears, there are no more spiders in the basement |
| 05:20.35 | lispy | i'm ready to upgrade from apache1.3 (iirc) to apache2. Is there anything i need to know? |
| 05:20.38 | kooldeb | bob2: oh LOL, I though you got it working and just teasing the heck out of me ... sorry |
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| 05:21.31 | bob2 | lispy: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf is the new conf file |
| 05:21.39 | bob2 | and vhosts go in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 05:21.41 | breach | hello |
| 05:21.45 | kooldeb | bob2: its just been a long journey with that UML MF |
| 05:21.47 | lispy | bob2: is the upgrade automated like it was with exim4? |
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| 05:21.57 | bob2 | kooldeb: booting "linux init=/bin/bash" works fine |
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| 05:22.20 | lispy | bob2: and i take it that means i can downgrade to 1.3 if it doesn't work because all the configs will still be there? |
| 05:22.43 | bob2 | lispy: they're completely seperate |
| 05:22.45 | kooldeb | "linux init=/bin/bash" WORKS !!!! |
| 05:22.47 | bob2 | you can run both at once |
| 05:22.55 | kooldeb | bob2: man you are awesome !!! |
| 05:23.01 | lispy | bob2: thanks |
| 05:23.05 | toresbe | kooldeb: WOW!! THAT'S LIKE, COMPLETELY EXPECTED!!!!! |
| 05:23.07 | toresbe | :P |
| 05:23.14 | valdyn | lispy: you might want to consider this being a switch to a different webserver, not really an 'upgrade' |
| 05:23.19 | bob2 | kooldeb: delete /etc/rcS.d/*hwclock* |
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| 05:23.25 | bob2 | kooldeb: and then it will boot into run level 1 |
| 05:23.29 | lispy | valdyn: um...is it worth it? |
| 05:23.30 | bob2 | er |
| 05:23.38 | bob2 | into runlevel 2 (ie a full system) |
| 05:23.38 | valdyn | lispy: no idea |
| 05:23.48 | lispy | valdyn: hehe, good answer ;) |
| 05:23.51 | bob2 | go me |
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| 05:24.01 | kooldeb | bob2: ok for the sake of completeness, 2 things ... do we specify swap now, and 2, what init=/bin/bash has to do with the whole thing |
| 05:24.19 | bob2 | kooldeb: I don't care about swap, set it up if you want |
| 05:24.28 | bob2 | kooldeb: init=/bin/bash = bypass all init scripts |
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| 05:24.45 | bob2 | kooldeb: apparently the ones that try to access the hwclock fuck up, if you delete them, a default boot works fine |
| 05:24.52 | bob2 | and you get 8 vts in gnome-terminals |
| 05:25.00 | zamolxes | slightly offtopic ..can i find out what file(s) are on a certain inode? |
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| 05:25.05 | lispy | it says the following packages will be upgraded:apache apache-common apache-ssl apache-utils apache2-utils <-- does that mean it is upgrading to apache2? |
| 05:25.15 | bob2 | zamolxes: only by brute-force, I think |
| 05:25.17 | bob2 | lispy: no |
| 05:25.20 | zamolxes | uh |
| 05:25.20 | lispy | ah, cool |
| 05:25.30 | lispy | i'll do this upgrade and then consider the apache2 thing afterwards |
| 05:25.31 | zamolxes | ok, thanks |
| 05:25.42 | bob2 | zamolxes: #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net would be the place to ask |
| 05:25.45 | kooldeb | bob2: ok cool. now, where is linux running at ?? / ? from where we ran it ?? if we store stuff there, will it be saved ?? |
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| 05:25.52 | zamolxes | bob2: thank you |
| 05:25.57 | tcsetattr | find / -xdev -inum 12345 -print |
| 05:26.02 | Bac9 | is there any difference between apache+apache-mod-ssl and apache-ssl??? |
| 05:26.11 | zamolxes | tcsetattr: good ideea ;) |
| 05:26.21 | nvz | creepy thing about spiders is they are silent, if they barked it wouldnt be scary... heh.. and you only see them one at a time, and you know they're sexual, so where the hell is the other one? who knows, could be crawling up behind you right now |
| 05:26.22 | bob2 | Bac9: yes |
| 05:26.30 | Bac9 | bob2: which is? |
| 05:26.32 | bob2 | nvz: hahaha |
| 05:26.46 | bob2 | Bac9: one is a module, one is built in. I don't think there's any reason to use apache-ssl anymore. |
| 05:26.56 | bob2 | but I don't think there's an yactual difference, either |
| 05:26.58 | bob2 | zamolxes: np |
| 05:27.04 | kooldeb | bob2: thanks a lot for all the help.... |
| 05:27.09 | Bac9 | bob2: I meen is there any difference in functionality? |
| 05:27.10 | bob2 | kooldeb: "where is linux running at"? |
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| 05:27.14 | bob2 | Bac9: not that I know of |
| 05:27.23 | kooldeb | bob2: well, I mean, where is it using the space from .. |
| 05:27.25 | Bac9 | bob2: so why is apache-ssl still in stable? |
| 05:27.33 | bob2 | kooldeb: it's using the root_fs file as it's root filesystem |
| 05:27.36 | bob2 | Bac9: legacy, aiui |
| 05:27.51 | lispy | nvz: it's my firm belief that killing spiders is bad luck |
| 05:27.52 | bob2 | (ie people who used it on woody) |
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| 05:28.00 | nvz | lispy: yeah we |
| 05:28.11 | Bac9 | bob2: they pulled non-us, why not this? (just confused why there are two ways to do the same thing with one package) |
| 05:28.15 | bob2 | kooldeb: if you write thing to that filesyste,, they will be saved, yes |
| 05:28.18 | nvz | lispy: we'll get into that when the million legged bugs he was going to eat come out |
| 05:28.26 | jm_ | Bac9: they haven't "pulled" non-us |
| 05:28.31 | kooldeb | bob2: ya , but what about space... say we store a movie in there, where is it going to be under our " real " / system ?? |
| 05:28.33 | bob2 | Bac9: I'm not sure, sorry. apache-perl is a similar deal. |
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| 05:28.40 | bob2 | kooldeb: nowhere |
| 05:28.40 | nvz | lispy: for now, I got one less creepy crawling around |
| 05:28.43 | Bac9 | jm_: then where is it for etch? |
| 05:28.43 | cmk | hi all |
| 05:28.46 | bob2 | kooldeb: it will be stored inside root_Fs |
| 05:28.51 | jm_ | Bac9: it's in main, just like for Sarge |
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| 05:29.03 | Bac9 | jm_: the seperation is gone |
| 05:29.10 | lispy | nvz: heh |
| 05:29.12 | kooldeb | bob2: and root_fs will get as big as it wants with the limitation of free space under linux ?? |
| 05:29.20 | bob2 | kooldeb: it'll stay the same size |
| 05:29.21 | lispy | nvz: just play with the balance, play with the balance |
| 05:29.28 | bob2 | kooldeb: you'll want to mount things using hostfs, I'd guess |
| 05:29.29 | Bac9 | bob2: k, thanx, have you had any luck setting up apache-mod-ssl? is it same as apache-ssl setup? |
| 05:29.31 | jm_ | Bac9: yes, but that doesn't mean it has been removed, like you're requesting for apache-ssl |
| 05:29.41 | lispy | lol |
| 05:29.47 | ravn | anyone can tell me what to do to make my cd-ripping speed-up. As it is now it runs at 0.7x. I have used the ned IDE-driver in kernel 2.6, but still no improvement |
| 05:29.48 | bob2 | Bac9: I've not used apache-ssl, but mod_Ssl was pretty simple |
| 05:30.00 | bob2 | ravn: maybe your drive is just crap |
| 05:30.00 | Bac9 | jm_: if it's the same app then why not remove one and make a transitional package depend on the other? |
| 05:30.04 | lispy | i love that apt can resume |
| 05:30.05 | bob2 | ravn: cdparanoia is very careful |
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| 05:30.09 | ethics | ravn: what proggy you using? |
| 05:30.11 | kooldeb | bob2: hmm mmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 05:30.12 | bob2 | Bac9: they're not the same |
| 05:30.20 | ravn | abcde |
| 05:30.24 | bob2 | kooldeb: go back to your original howto |
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| 05:30.30 | bob2 | ravn: abcde uses cdparanoia |
| 05:30.33 | cmk | Yesterday I downloaded the latest version of debian. (Just the first CD) - installed it. The needed additional papckages were downloaded an installed from the net. Now I see "Rebuilding the database. This may take some time" since 2 hours... is this the normal behaviour? x86, PII, 512 mb ram |
| 05:30.36 | jm_ | Bac9: it's not the same app |
| 05:30.38 | Bac9 | bob2: I thought you just said they were same infunctionality? or what did I misunderstand? |
| 05:30.39 | bob2 | ravn: you could use cdda2wav, it's less careful |
| 05:30.51 | Bac9 | jm_: then what's different? |
| 05:30.56 | bob2 | Bac9: functionality-wise, yes, but they have different configrurations and such |
| 05:30.57 | ethics | ravn: are you rei[pping to shrink or ripping to decode or you just want it backed up? |
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| 05:31.17 | abofaisal | What package contains the "play" cli app? |
| 05:31.23 | bob2 | abofaisal: sox |
| 05:31.31 | abofaisal | thanks |
| 05:31.36 | jm_ | Bac9: it give you the same functionality, but they're not entirely the same |
| 05:31.41 | Bac9 | bob2: but it's still the same apache is it not? as I understand it in one the module is compiled in and in the other its seperate, or is that incorrect? |
| 05:31.45 | jm_ | abofaisal: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:31.52 | kooldeb | bob2: so you are saying that if I store some 500 mb movie under / of root_fs, where is it going to be when I exit out of UML ... ??? |
| 05:32.05 | Bac9 | jm_: how do they differ? isn't it the same code? |
| 05:32.07 | ravn | ethics: ripping to be able to use my CD's on my computer easier and also to use in my pod. The backup is a bonus... |
| 05:32.16 | bonggnu | mpeg4ip-libs |
| 05:32.30 | bob2 | Bac9: it's not just compiled in, they were seperate projects originally |
| 05:32.36 | bob2 | kooldeb: inside root_fs |
| 05:32.51 | ravn | bob2: so you beleve that cdparanoia it that slow? |
| 05:32.51 | bob2 | kooldeb: I don't know how to explain it to you, but root_fs is equivalent to /dev/hda, for instance |
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| 05:32.58 | bob2 | ravn: yes, if your drive is crap |
| 05:33.04 | Bac9 | bob2: oh, ok, so trees not fully merged? |
| 05:33.05 | bob2 | ravn: my cd burner could only rip at 0.7 |
| 05:33.08 | bob2 | Bac9: yes |
| 05:33.14 | kooldeb | bob2: so it does get bigger/ smaller as need ... |
| 05:33.17 | bob2 | ravn: my new dvd reader can rip at like 6x |
| 05:33.23 | Bac9 | bob2: any advantage to one over the other? |
| 05:33.26 | jm_ | Bac9: it's a different code, I think mod_ssl is newer project |
| 05:33.39 | bob2 | kooldeb: no, it's static, you won't be able to store your 500mb movie in there |
| 05:33.43 | Bac9 | jm_: oh ok thanx |
| 05:33.44 | bob2 | kooldeb: if you want dynamic, look at hostfs |
| 05:33.55 | bob2 | jm_: apache-ssl was fro mFortify or something? |
| 05:34.00 | jm_ | bob2: I forgot |
| 05:34.02 | bob2 | Bac9: I don't know of any |
| 05:34.08 | ravn | bob2: that's another strange thing - my brand new DVD burner doesn't work to rip from at all, bu it's np to burn DVD's with it... |
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| 05:34.24 | bob2 | ravn: heh |
| 05:34.31 | kooldeb | bob2: which means I have to rename it to host_fs, and run that , or its little more complicated and I would need to read a whole manual for that ? |
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| 05:34.47 | ethics | ravn: there are many ways to do what you want but the issue is around cdparanoia which is not fast but it is very elegant at it....cdda2wav as bob2 said but if your repping with intent to mp3 you may just want to bypass paranoia completly and use a mp3 ripper itll convert on the fky |
| 05:34.47 | Bac9 | bob2: k, thanx |
| 05:35.01 | bob2 | kooldeb: it means you need to look up hostfs on the uml website |
| 05:35.14 | kooldeb | bob2: ait , thanks |
| 05:35.36 | ravn | ethics: I rip to ogg/vorbis, what tool should I use then? |
| 05:35.37 | bob2 | ravn: that is weird |
| 05:35.42 | jm_ | ravn: abcde |
| 05:35.43 | spencerk | which graphics driver should i choose for a nvidia geforce 5200? |
| 05:35.46 | kooldeb | bob2: but in the mean time, I can store things temporarly for usage I believe |
| 05:35.47 | spencerk | the avg one? |
| 05:35.54 | jm_ | spencerk: nv |
| 05:35.55 | kooldeb | bob2: when its running that is . |
| 05:35.59 | ethics | ravn: theres 2 modes for cdda.....analog which uses the silly 4 wire cable to the sound card...and digital which actually goes via ide cable.... |
| 05:36.04 | bob2 | ravn: ethics is just saying "If you're ripping to a lossy format like mp3 or vorbis anyway, it doesn't really matter if the ripping program is dropping a bit" |
| 05:36.08 | spencerk | thank you |
| 05:36.17 | ethics | Ravn: i use mencoder for most of my ripping be it video or sound |
| 05:36.42 | jm_ | spencerk: you'll need to use nVidia's binary-only driver if you want all teh features |
| 05:36.46 | ravn | ok, i'll try these |
| 05:37.38 | kooldeb | bob2: sorry If I am driving you nuts with my Qs. |
| 05:37.45 | ethics | jm_ all the features isnt really true but getting to what you can is hehe |
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| 05:38.12 | bob2 | kooldeb: ok |
| 05:38.50 | Solet-deb | is there a debian package for a mother board monitor sort of thing? one that clocks fanspeeds, mb temp, cpu temp etc? |
| 05:39.09 | pipeline | Solet-deb: lmsensors is the relevant technology. It's a royal pain in the ass. |
| 05:39.11 | Solet-deb | i'm not sure what to even apt-cache search for |
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| 05:39.42 | bruce2005 | hello, i'm trying to install uml, i've already patched the source, when i try to use the make command i get the following error, "unable to find the QT installation. ", where should i get QT from? apt-get install QT doesn't work |
| 05:39.46 | grepper | Solet-deb: gkrellm or ksensors if you have got lm-sensors working ok |
| 05:39.49 | bob2 | oh my god |
| 05:39.56 | bob2 | bruce2005: don't build it |
| 05:39.58 | bob2 | please |
| 05:40.06 | bob2 | you're so out of your depth you are drowning |
| 05:40.23 | bruce2005 | bob2: i need to build it caus i'm workin on a project |
| 05:40.40 | bob2 | bruce2005: your school is making you compile it, but isn't showing you how? |
| 05:41.07 | Solet-deb | grepper: lm-sensors = a module??? (guessing) |
| 05:41.48 | kooldeb | bob2 ; lol another uml victime |
| 05:41.54 | bruce2005 | hmmm, its a volunteer project, followin the instructions on sourceforge, curious why u recomment not building |
| 05:42.10 | bruce2005 | *recommend |
| 05:42.11 | Coke | UML. Not the OMG invention? |
| 05:42.28 | bob2 | bruce2005: because it's a pointless waste of time |
| 05:42.30 | Coke | bruce2005: because you do not seem to have the knowledge required to do it? |
| 05:42.31 | bob2 | and will make me cry |
| 05:42.32 | bob2 | a lot |
| 05:42.42 | bruce2005 | haha |
| 05:43.08 | Coke | bruce2005: in any case, you can find packages by searching with "apt-cache search <search expressions>" |
| 05:43.14 | bruce2005 | to get rid of that error i need to install QT, which i have no clue what it is |
| 05:43.27 | bob2 | no |
| 05:43.30 | bob2 | that won't help |
| 05:43.35 | bob2 | you'll still be screwed |
| 05:43.39 | kooldeb | hehe |
| 05:43.47 | kooldeb | he saved you some time already bruce2005 |
| 05:43.50 | Coke | what is this UML? |
| 05:44.05 | Coke | ah, user mode linux |
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| 05:44.10 | tarzeau | you guys know what i noticed? |
| 05:44.20 | Coke | no? that can't be it. |
| 05:44.25 | tarzeau | alot of user questions moved to #debian-devel for a reason unknown to me |
| 05:44.38 | kooldeb | COke yes it is |
| 05:44.48 | tarzeau | jm_: thanks, i've had some fun with the upside-down yesterday |
| 05:44.49 | Coke | why would a kernel patch require QT? |
| 05:45.15 | bruce2005 | Coke: no clue |
| 05:45.19 | bob2 | Coke: make xconfig does |
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| 05:45.52 | Coke | oh. I thought it was using whatever tcl was using. |
| 05:45.55 | bruce2005 | what does QT stand for ? |
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| 05:46.05 | Coke | bruce2005: it's a toolkit from Trolltech. |
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| 05:46.21 | trave11er | bruce2005: it may be read as "cutie", i guess |
| 05:46.25 | grepper | Solet-deb: apt-get install lm-sensors |
| 05:46.25 | Coke | bruce2005: they made it free software and it's the toolkit also used in KDE. |
| 05:46.30 | cmk | bruce2005: the best toolkit :) |
| 05:46.36 | grepper | then you need to load the correct kernel modules |
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| 05:46.56 | Coke | cmk: tried gnustep lately? I was pleasantly surprised. |
| 05:47.07 | bob2 | bruce2005: http://crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt |
| 05:47.09 | cmk | Coke: no but cocoa |
| 05:47.27 | kooldeb | bob2: heh, root_fs is mounted as Read only, I cannot even create a dir, or add some file in there.... |
| 05:47.33 | Solet-deb | grepper: is this package going to give me any hints as to wtf the "correct modules" may be? |
| 05:47.40 | grepper | Solet-deb: run sensors-detect |
| 05:47.46 | cmk | my debian installation is strange. now i see a black screen - since minutes... :) |
| 05:47.58 | bob2 | kooldeb: sure |
| 05:48.00 | meliante | kooldeb, mount -o remout / |
| 05:48.02 | popey | screensaver? |
| 05:48.06 | bob2 | kooldeb: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 05:48.09 | popey | cmk: press the shift key |
| 05:48.26 | kooldeb | bob2: you do that inside uml ? |
| 05:48.39 | cmk | popey: ahhhh thx |
| 05:48.45 | bob2 | kooldeb: of course... |
| 05:48.46 | cmk | popey: why was that? |
| 05:48.47 | popey | np |
| 05:48.58 | popey | save your poor little eyes |
| 05:49.00 | popey | (and the screen) |
| 05:49.07 | sussudio | http://www.wass.net/manuals/jpg/Wang%20520.jpg |
| 05:49.08 | sussudio | Wanggggg |
| 05:49.09 | cmk | popey: ahja :) |
| 05:49.14 | Solet-deb | if a device is running properly is it save to assume that it is already "built into your kernel"? |
| 05:49.22 | Coke | cmk: I come from mostly gtk and wxwin, but I've done some qt too. |
| 05:49.27 | bob2 | Solet-deb: no |
| 05:49.35 | kooldeb | where was that hardware clock thing at ? I cannot scroll up .. |
| 05:49.43 | Coke | bruce2005: do you have any basic knowledge of GNU systems in general? |
| 05:49.48 | bob2 | Solet-deb: if it is working, tho, you can assume you have the driver built in or loaded from a module |
| 05:49.49 | cmk | Coke: never used gtk before... so I am not be able to flame around :) |
| 05:49.50 | Coke | bruce2005: and the Linux kernel? |
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| 05:49.55 | bob2 | kooldeb: 15:47:08 bob2 | bruce2005: http://crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt |
| 05:50.04 | Solet-deb | Load `i2c-matroxfb' (say NO if built into your kernel)? (YES/no): |
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| 05:50.22 | Solet-deb | that device is working i'm looking at its screan right now... so i should say NO right? |
| 05:50.27 | bob2 | Solet-deb: 'lsmod | grep i2c-matr" in another terminal |
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| 05:51.10 | cmk | dpkg is a really nice person :) he told me some nice things :) |
| 05:51.30 | Solet-deb | bob2: it returns and shows nothing |
| 05:51.48 | bob2 | Solet-deb: then it's probably built in |
| 05:51.50 | cmk | coke - have you something to show what you did with gtk? |
| 05:52.00 | Solet-deb | so i can say "no" |
| 05:52.08 | bob2 | I'd think so |
| 05:55.21 | Solet-deb | ok i've run sensors-detect... how do i know if everything is working like it should? |
| 05:55.57 | Coke | cmk: not really. I get enough of the GUI crap from work so should I engage in a free project I make sure it is all CLI |
| 05:56.10 | grepper | Solet-deb: try just running "sensors" |
| 05:56.16 | Coke | cmk: the only thing I enjoyed with GTK was Glade. |
| 05:56.18 | cmk | Coke: you develop with gtk at work? |
| 05:56.21 | Solet-deb | no sensors found |
| 05:56.30 | kooldeb | bob2: cool, nice site for uml |
| 05:56.31 | Coke | cmk: I used to. |
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| 05:56.37 | cmk | Coke: nice |
| 05:56.41 | grepper | check if the modules got loaded |
| 05:56.42 | bob2 | kooldeb: er? I just wrote that 5 minutes ago |
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| 05:57.03 | Solet-deb | grepper: how? |
| 05:57.04 | cmk | Coke: I develop with Qt at work. Its always very nice :) |
| 05:57.05 | Coke | cmk: I don't really like GUI's, but I have to choose I'd rather build them using a real toolkit and not HTML. |
| 05:57.13 | kooldeb | bob2: ya I was doing the exact how to, except I copy pasted it from the site you made.. saved me some time. |
| 05:57.16 | grepper | Solet-deb: lsmod |
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| 05:57.18 | Solet-deb | er which ones |
| 05:57.26 | Coke | cmk: yeah, Qt feels a bit more solid and more thought through than GTK |
| 05:57.39 | grepper | Solet-deb: the ones sensors-detect told you to load |
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| 05:57.58 | tactless | I've bought a Sony mini-DV camcorder. Is it possible to move video from it onto a PC with Linux, and is there video editing software for Linux? |
| 05:58.18 | jshriver | anyone know how to set xchat to auto accept dcc downloads? |
| 05:58.36 | cmk | hmmm |
| 05:58.44 | cmk | the x server is not running :( |
| 05:58.58 | kooldeb | bob2: mmm something came to mind ... |
| 05:59.02 | bob2 | tactless: kino |
| 05:59.09 | Solet-deb | it said add i2c-isa and w83627hf into the /etc/modules, or i could say yes and it would do it automatically... i said yes.... |
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| 05:59.21 | Solet-deb | but neither of those are in lsmod's output |
| 05:59.38 | tactless | bob2: Awesome, thanks |
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| 06:01.08 | grepper | Solet-deb: modprobe the ones it put into /etc/modules |
| 06:01.57 | Solet-deb | oh hey holy crap... i have voltage readings... |
| 06:02.01 | Solet-deb | and tempurature readings |
| 06:02.23 | grepper | cool |
| 06:02.28 | grepper | or hot, as the case may be |
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| 06:02.52 | Coke | cmk: what do you work with? I recently got a new employer and I'm totally disencouraged by the fact that all coding work in Sweden right now is about Java, .NET and web appliactions. |
| 06:02.57 | tactless | What is the mjpegtools package, and do I need it? |
| 06:03.02 | Coke | cmk: i.e there is no real programming work in Sweden it seems |
| 06:03.17 | Coke | disencouraged = discouraged :) |
| 06:03.27 | Solet-deb | grepper: why do all the power readings say ALARM at the end of the line? |
| 06:03.49 | cmk | Coke: I am developing some internal stuff at work |
| 06:04.04 | grepper | Solet-deb: the temp at which you should be alarmed ? |
| 06:04.05 | michal_ | can anyone think of any unforsen sideffects of alias apt=aptitude ? |
| 06:04.23 | cmk | Coke: in most cases it has to do with databases |
| 06:04.25 | kooldeb | bob2: can you check #flood, I pasted something I got from uml for you to check ... |
| 06:04.27 | fortran01 | Do you know of a site where I can upload my educational tools--like quizzes, exams and handouts I made myself? I want to share them but I can't effectively maintain a website. |
| 06:04.28 | Solet-deb | its not for the temps its for the power |
| 06:04.30 | michal_ | well unforseen by me |
| 06:04.37 | Subvertir | Coke, high level stuff is just more profitable, generally speaking - I can throw up e-commerce sites in like 20 minutes using plonemall |
| 06:04.43 | cmk | Coke: maybe you should come to germany :) |
| 06:04.50 | Subvertir | Coke, and that site can be generating real money in a few hours |
| 06:04.55 | Solet-deb | i dont think the thing max mins are set correctly either... |
| 06:05.02 | grepper | my board doesn't have voltage readings |
| 06:05.04 | Solet-deb | can i spam the output to you in #flood? |
| 06:05.12 | grepper | sure |
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| 06:05.33 | bob2 | kooldeb: this is in to basic "using debian" territory now |
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| 06:07.09 | kooldeb | bob2: but that happened right after I removed the hardware thing, am not sure its has anything to do with that ... |
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| 06:09.12 | cmk | hmm XFree86 -configure leaves me alone with a black screen. even shift does not help :) |
| 06:09.16 | Coke | Subvertir: we're not building e-commerce systems. these systems are for university use. |
| 06:10.19 | afabian | Coke: Given how fast computers are, it's almost silly to use C/C++ for stuff much above the operating system level. It's got a kind of sexy "I'm a hardcore hacker" appeal, but not much practical value, particularly if you identify bottlenecks in your programs and write those in lower-level languages. |
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| 06:11.09 | dondelelcaro | hardcore hacker because you write in C/C++? Yeesh. |
| 06:11.19 | dondelelcaro | kids these days... |
| 06:11.20 | cmk | afabian: ehm okay :) |
| 06:11.55 | jbmigel | what is best way to rotate display 90 degrees in gnome2.8? |
| 06:12.19 | silverton | Turn your monitor so it sits on it's side? |
| 06:12.38 | jbmigel | silverton lol yes that is what im trying to do |
| 06:12.55 | silverton | That is probably the easiest way to do it ;P |
| 06:13.30 | jbmigel | haha no i mean i WANT to turn my monitor on its side, and would like to compensate by rotating gnome so it looks right! |
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| 06:13.49 | silverton | Why would you want to do a silly thing like that? |
| 06:14.17 | jbmigel | silverton so that it will fit into the hole i made in my car dashboard for it! |
| 06:14.49 | jbmigel | i know in kde you have rotate applet, is there something similar in gnome you think? |
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| 06:14.57 | Tabitha | what a lovely projectile that will be in an accident. |
| 06:15.00 | technos | jbmigel: Tiny little LCD, eh? |
| 06:15.05 | ndazza | jbmigel, that can be done with nvidia's binary drivers... presumably it's a driver level thing? |
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| 06:15.30 | jbmigel | ndazza i have ATI |
| 06:15.42 | jbmigel | technos 17inch |
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| 06:15.49 | Tabitha | out with the airbag, in with the monitor! |
| 06:15.54 | jbmigel | booyah1 |
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| 06:16.07 | silverton | rofl @ Tabitha |
| 06:16.15 | ndazza | jbmigel, try finding a readme on setting up the ati drivers in your x config, maybe that will help |
| 06:16.20 | jbmigel | but i was drunk when i measured it so now its cut wrong and i need to flip monitor display lol |
| 06:16.30 | technos | I think there's a Xfree86 rotation extention. |
| 06:16.45 | silverton | jbmigel, I hope this teaches you not to do things whilest you are drunk. |
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| 06:16.53 | jbmigel | ndazza i am very familure with fglrx xonfiguration, there is no such setting with their drivers |
| 06:17.06 | Tabitha | this is a darwin award waiting to happen. Jbmigel cut open the dashboard of his vehicle while drunk. |
| 06:17.07 | ndazza | jbmigel, you trusted your drunken measurements?? |
| 06:17.27 | silverton | ndazza, why was he cutting something in his dashboard while drunk in the first place?! |
| 06:17.39 | jbmigel | rofl you guys are hilarious i cut nothing, i just have a monitor that you can easily flip sideways and i wanted to try it out! |
| 06:18.01 | Tabitha | .... "<jbmigel> but i was drunk when i measured it so now its cut wrong and i need to flip monitor display lol" |
| 06:18.12 | Tabitha | what's cut wrong then? |
| 06:18.19 | jbmigel | nothing man i was kidding |
| 06:18.32 | jetscreamer | !ati |
| 06:18.32 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 06:18.33 | silverton | sure ;P |
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| 06:18.39 | silverton | Now he's trying to cover up his mistake |
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| 06:19.12 | jbmigel | thanks jerscreamer i have driver installed |
| 06:19.22 | Tabitha | you're going to get yourself into a traffic situation behind the wheel of this vehicle whilst drunk and attempting to apt-get update? Where do you live? I want to make sure I'm no where near you. Insurance premiums are a pain in the ass enough as it is already. |
| 06:19.39 | silverton | ROFL! |
| 06:20.14 | silverton | Hell, it might not even be an apt-get update, it might be whilest watching teh pr0n >.< |
| 06:20.20 | jbmigel | well you see i cant afford broadband internet so i need full time wardriver setup |
| 06:20.23 | silverton | jbmigel, you'll probably have better luck finding in answer in #gnome |
| 06:20.34 | Guerin | jbmigel: wtf |
| 06:20.36 | silverton | jbmigel, I lucked out on that, my next door neighbor has an open AP |
| 06:20.38 | ndazza | ... i sense some bs now |
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| 06:21.07 | jbmigel | silverton you lucker, bet your car dashboard isnt full of holes either |
| 06:21.23 | silverton | jbmigel, I'd need a car first ;D |
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| 06:21.40 | jbmigel | i can sell you one cheap? has some minor scratches inside? |
| 06:21.44 | silverton | I have my eye on a 280ZX though, but I may be going for a late 80s, early 90s Civic hatchback |
| 06:21.56 | ndazza | 'minor scratches' as in a sideways monitor hole in the dash? |
| 06:22.04 | silverton | ndazza, ROFL! |
| 06:22.04 | IDC | doesn't debian support 'Linux Standard Base 2.0' ? |
| 06:22.09 | Tabitha | <jbmigel> well you see i cant afford broadband internet so i need full time wardriver setup .... jbmigel is ~jbm@S0106000625f62bc1.ed.shawcable.net * James Brendan Migel |
| 06:22.10 | Guerin | IDC: yes. |
| 06:22.13 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:22.14 | ndazza | silverton, slight difference in your choices there... |
| 06:22.17 | technos | silverton: Live in WA state? Come get the disassembled 280Z out of my back yard! |
| 06:22.18 | IDC | i see |
| 06:22.19 | Guerin | IDC: might be only 1.3 |
| 06:22.29 | Guerin | !rtfrn |
| 06:22.29 | dpkg | rtfrn is probably Read the Frickin' Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 06:22.31 | silverton | technos, I do in live in WA state... |
| 06:22.40 | IDC | Guerin, but debian will of course support the upcoming 2.0 standard ? |
| 06:22.45 | silverton | but, there is a problem, it's disassembled... |
| 06:22.50 | ndazza | technos, does it come with assembly instructions? |
| 06:22.51 | silverton | unless, all the parts are there, and it's free ;D |
| 06:23.03 | silverton | ndazza, easily found on the intarweb |
| 06:23.06 | Tabitha | silverton: Methinks it comes with release notes. |
| 06:23.17 | silverton | Tabitha, the 280Z in his backyard? |
| 06:23.20 | jbmigel | Tabitha i said it was bull |
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| 06:23.35 | Tabitha | silverton: In like 30 different languages, including Klingon. |
| 06:23.39 | technos | silverton: All the parts are pretty much there.. And it's free. But it's been sitting there prolly 10 years since the motor and trans were rebuilt and stuffed inside it. :/ |
| 06:23.44 | silverton | oooo, klingon!! |
| 06:23.48 | ndazza | ooo |
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| 06:23.57 | silverton | technos, body in good condition? |
| 06:24.05 | ndazza | technos, so you rebuilt trans and motor and left them to rust? |
| 06:24.07 | technos | silverton: Under the moss, yes. |
| 06:24.12 | silverton | d'oh! >.< |
| 06:25.05 | Guerin | IDC: probably. Not sure why it's a big deal, though - LSB is a massive bureaucratic waste of fucking time. |
| 06:25.07 | technos | ndazza: The owner of it was going to rework it as a race car. He had just wrecked his Ford, then decided he didn't have any time and didn't want to drive Datsun anyway. |
| 06:25.21 | silverton | nothin wrong with datsun |
| 06:25.34 | IDC | Guerin, i see |
| 06:27.40 | technos | silverton: It would have moved him to a new displacement bracket. And he didn't want to do that. |
| 06:27.52 | silverton | ohh, I see |
| 06:28.26 | jbmigel | "xrandr" thank you very much |
| 06:28.52 | technos | silverton: He'd been racing Ford Cortinas, which are about the lowest displacement out there. 1.8L 4 cyls. |
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| 06:29.49 | ndazza | He could have gone with the festiva (1.5L) :) |
| 06:30.04 | silverton | oh god... there is a festiva down the street, everytime I see it I laugh. |
| 06:30.08 | silverton | I once saw one with a spoiler |
| 06:30.13 | ndazza | hahahahaha |
| 06:30.26 | viyyer | on installing nxml-mode I get this error (("nxml-mode is not compatible with Mule-UCS")) |
| 06:30.27 | ndazza | there's about 5 purple festiva's that i see every 2 days |
| 06:30.36 | technos | ndazza: Not in 1988. That's when he bought and parked it. :/ |
| 06:30.48 | ndazza | i saw an excel with a *massive* spoiler just down the street... |
| 06:30.57 | jbmigel | if i had festiva i would only be able to put 15" hole in dashboard |
| 06:30.57 | ndazza | higher than the top of the car |
| 06:31.05 | ndazza | technos, ahh you have a point... |
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| 06:31.26 | ndazza | jbmigel, depends on the orientation... |
| 06:31.33 | ndazza | :D |
| 06:31.36 | jbmigel | :P |
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| 06:33.46 | simonrvn | but it misses since i was already ducking for cover |
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| 06:34.09 | cthulfuego | except the sussudio black-hole sends it off-course, right for you |
| 06:34.21 | ndazza | oh dear, this is so childish... |
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| 06:34.55 | cthulfuego | HA! |
| 06:35.00 | cthulfuego | drinking is childish :-P |
| 06:35.06 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: /lastlog |
| 06:35.09 | kooldeb | bob2: so we have to run that mount -o mount rw,remount / everytime ? |
| 06:35.26 | bob2 | er |
| 06:35.26 | bob2 | no |
| 06:35.39 | bob2 | especially since you don't want to keep using root_fs anyway |
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| 06:36.34 | simonrvn | cars suck |
| 06:36.59 | bob2 | but jesus christ they are handy when your city has shit public transport |
| 06:37.10 | jbmigel | personally i ride a petal bike. |
| 06:37.23 | *** part/#debian Darin (~Darin@mail.jdk.cz) |
| 06:37.26 | cthulfuego | bob2: What, "in australia" you mean? ;-) |
| 06:37.30 | sep | bob2: they are even more handy when the place you live have no public transport at all |
| 06:37.30 | bob2 | I'm not (wo)man enough to ride 30km to visit friends |
| 06:37.37 | bob2 | (each way) |
| 06:37.48 | bob2 | cthulfuego: hey, you can walk to chapel street, what more do you need? |
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| 06:37.57 | cthulfuego | jbmigel: They're handy, but not suitable for moving 1) large objects or 2) many objects or 3) large distances |
| 06:37.59 | bob2 | sydney and melbourne are way better off than canberra |
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| 06:38.11 | cthulfuego | bob2: wtf would I want to go anwhere NEAR chapel street? |
| 06:38.22 | kooldeb | bob2: how do you run file system check on Debian ? |
| 06:38.26 | cthulfuego | bob2: otoh, canberra has less hills :-P |
| 06:38.41 | bob2 | kooldeb: same as on every other unix in the universe: fsck |
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| 06:38.43 | jbmigel | cthulfuego this is true, sometimes you need car, but most of the time you can do without |
| 06:38.47 | cthulfuego | bob2: cycling around melbourne is a PITA, uphill all the way ;-) |
| 06:38.55 | jbmigel | lol |
| 06:39.11 | cthulfuego | jbmigel: That's why I participate in Critical Mass |
| 06:39.12 | simonrvn | <-- bike dude too. and no, you don't need a car if you're urban |
| 06:39.33 | bob2 | cthulfuego: in the snow, I bet |
| 06:39.39 | simonrvn | wimps |
| 06:39.40 | bob2 | if I lived in the city I'd ride everywhere |
| 06:39.43 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: I can't hold 2 weeks worth of cat food on my bike ;-) |
| 06:39.50 | bob2 | it's 40 minutes ride to the city, tho |
| 06:39.55 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: Um. |
| 06:39.56 | Guerin | the only thing I want a car for is road trips |
| 06:39.57 | simonrvn | bullshit. bike trailer |
| 06:40.07 | jbmigel | cthulfuego what is that some sort of trash compacting clan? |
| 06:40.17 | technos | I live in Seattle. Some of the finest public transit in the US. But fuck, I'm not going to leave for work at 7pm to be there by 10 and leave work at 6am only to get home at 8. |
| 06:40.26 | cthulfuego | <-- used to ride to school; 12km either way, any kind of weather, up to -20C, for 6+ years. |
| 06:40.56 | jbmigel | ya i live in canada, can only really ride my bike maybe 6 or 7 days a year |
| 06:41.12 | simonrvn | try a blizzard in january, at -30, then we'll talk ;) |
| 06:41.13 | cthulfuego | <-- has bike rack (with special bike rack licence plate) |
| 06:41.24 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: It was february, but still. |
| 06:41.42 | cmk | :))) |
| 06:41.43 | simonrvn | i don't care, really. i've made my choice. just expressing an opinion |
| 06:42.13 | jbmigel | hey can someone with ATI graphics do "xrandr -0 left" and tell me if anything happens? "xrandr -0 normal" to fix |
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| 06:43.25 | cthulfuego | jbmigel: crititcal mass is an anarchosyndicalist movement that celebrates non-motorised traffic one a month, by cycling through the city in a group of 100+, disregarding traffic rules (and with a police escort) |
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| 06:43.41 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:43.42 | bob2 | nice |
| 06:43.48 | bruce2005 | back again |
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| 06:43.56 | bob2 | I shall have to go along when I go to melbourne |
| 06:44.10 | cthulfuego | bob2: Yes! |
| 06:44.10 | bruce2005 | any idea on how to install QT |
| 06:44.14 | simonrvn | often the cops hear about it at the last minute (you'd think they'd show up since it's on the same day every month) |
| 06:44.16 | cthulfuego | bob2: Last friday of every month. |
| 06:44.17 | bob2 | bruce2005: good god dude |
| 06:44.20 | jbmigel | heh cthulfuego that sounds like how i ride everywhere, though without the 100 friends and the police arnt quite what i would call "escorting" me |
| 06:44.36 | bob2 | bruce2005: a) I told you how to get UML working without compiling the kernel |
| 06:44.42 | cthulfuego | bob2: There's enough laneways etc normally to lose the cops for a while (we went on Citylink last time) |
| 06:44.44 | bob2 | bruce2005: b) sudo apt-get install build-essential libqt3-mt-dev |
| 06:44.54 | bob2 | cthulfuego: haha, awesome |
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| 06:45.12 | simonrvn | laneways? |
| 06:45.58 | jdrake | Is there a way I can install debian but with a newer kernel than comes with it? My system requires 2.6.11 due to an sata bug. I currently have gentoo installed. |
| 06:45.59 | ndazza | cthulfuego, where i am they don't get a police escort :) |
| 06:46.00 | jbmigel | anarchosyndicalist? |
| 06:46.04 | jasoncohen | two days in a row i've noticed that whiptail is using 50-60% CPU for no apparent reason. I was just browsing using firefox. any ideas what could be causing this? |
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| 06:46.12 | simonrvn | jbmigel: look it up |
| 06:46.18 | jbmigel | i have to! |
| 06:46.20 | jbmigel | you dont?? |
| 06:46.26 | simonrvn | see wikipedia |
| 06:46.27 | Guerin | jdrake: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 06:46.28 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:46.29 | viyyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.53 | jasoncohen | jdrake, 2.6.11 is now in testing. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 |
| 06:47.06 | bob2 | jasoncohen: that doesn't help him/her install |
| 06:47.08 | jdrake | I do not currently have debian installed |
| 06:47.22 | jasoncohen | ah, my mistake |
| 06:47.23 | bob2 | jdrake: there's no easy way, try asking on the debian-user list |
| 06:47.25 | Guerin | jdrake: oh, easy, then. Install testing and you'll be good to go. |
| 06:47.55 | Guerin | jdrake: unless your broken sata is the only drive you can install to... |
| 06:48.06 | jdrake | When did they get 2.6.11 in testing? Distrowatch doesn't say it is there and I can't find any mention of what things are in what on the website |
| 06:48.06 | Darin | heelo, can anybody help me with epson printer with debian? |
| 06:48.16 | jdrake | Guerin, broken only prioer to .11 |
| 06:48.16 | jasoncohen | can't he just use the netinstall CD can install 2,6.11 in the second stage install? |
| 06:48.28 | jbmigel | simonrvn heh i think debian too is anarchosyndicalistic... maybe they should call 4.0 that instead of etch? |
| 06:48.32 | jasoncohen | *and install |
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| 06:48.43 | cthulfuego | !dict anarchosyndicalism |
| 06:48.44 | Guerin | !custom d-i |
| 06:48.44 | dpkg | hmm... custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 06:48.45 | dpkg | could not find definition for anarchosyndicalism |
| 06:48.54 | ndazza | jasoncohen, where will the kernel package be downloaded to? he can't access his hard drive without the new kernel |
| 06:48.56 | simonrvn | @dict anarchosydicalist |
| 06:48.57 | cthulfuego | dpkg: useless shit |
| 06:49.00 | ravenbird | could not find definition for anarchosydicalist |
| 06:49.03 | simonrvn | oops |
| 06:49.07 | simonrvn | @dict anarchosyndicalist |
| 06:49.08 | ravenbird | could not find definition for anarchosyndicalist |
| 06:49.09 | Guerin | jdrake: follow the instructions in that custom d-i link to make an installer with a kernel of your own choosing. |
| 06:49.12 | simonrvn | beh |
| 06:49.16 | sep | jdrake: use the debbootstrap install method, from a working livecd or whatever |
| 06:49.22 | jdrake | If the testing cd has 2.6.11 on it then it would be fine |
| 06:49.31 | Rhynox | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.36 | bob2 | best to ignore distrowatch entirely |
| 06:49.42 | bob2 | Rhynox: faq, change testing to stable |
| 06:49.43 | sep | Rhynox: there is no testg security |
| 06:49.44 | jasoncohen | jdrake, you might be able to use one of the daily builds |
| 06:49.48 | bob2 | Rhynox: in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:49.48 | Rhynox | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.55 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.00 | cthulfuego | www.anarchosyndicalism.net |
| 06:50.02 | Guerin | jdrake: there's no testing CD - debian only releases stable on CDs. |
| 06:50.13 | simonrvn | there ya go |
| 06:50.21 | hkdom | should I change sources.list from sarge to stable now after sarge is stable? |
| 06:50.38 | Guerin | hkdom: no difference |
| 06:50.52 | simonrvn | hkdom: won't matter |
| 06:50.56 | jbmigel | hkdom that will only matter when next stable is released |
| 06:51.33 | hkdom | ok THX! |
| 06:52.02 | Empty | hkdom, what jbmigel said + "and then you will want it to be Sarge anyway" |
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| 06:52.23 | jbmigel | Empty unless he wants to track the stable branch? |
| 06:52.25 | hkdom | by the way, can i use 2.6.11 in sarge? |
| 06:52.46 | Empty | jbmigel, noone wants a surprise dist upgrade :) |
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| 06:52.57 | sep | hkdom: not officialy, but you can ofcouse do what you want to your own box |
| 06:53.05 | streuner | hkdom: some people use it, but its not in sarge. |
| 06:53.21 | jbmigel | Empty lol a "surprise" stable release hehe you kill me |
| 06:53.25 | hkdom | so i need to download the package manually and use dpkg to install? |
| 06:53.39 | ndazza | jbmigel, well, most people just assume it will never happen... |
| 06:53.48 | ndazza | (the next stable release) |
| 06:53.49 | sep | hkdom: you need to read /msg dpkg kp |
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| 06:54.07 | hkdom | !Thx |
| 06:54.07 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 06:54.17 | kimo | anyone using LEAP wireless authemtication here ? |
| 06:54.19 | jbmigel | ndazza do you know if they are serious about reducing to only 4 architectures? is there an official notice somewhere? |
| 06:54.29 | streuner | hkdom: go with etch, if you use desktop |
| 06:54.38 | streuner | !etch |
| 06:54.40 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debain |
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| 06:54.56 | Guerin | hah, the /. story on geeks getting the girl is such a hilariously sad litany of whiney bitterness |
| 06:55.03 | ndazza | jbmigel, they are... |
| 06:55.15 | hkdom | 2.6.11 is in etch already? :) |
| 06:55.16 | simonrvn | !etch ~= s/debain/debian/ |
| 06:55.19 | jasoncohen | kimo, no, but all you need is wpa_supplicant. it has extensive documentation in /etc/wpa_config |
| 06:55.29 | simonrvn | !etch =~ s/debain/debian/ |
| 06:55.29 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 06:55.37 | ndazza | jbmigel, read through the debian news for 31 may, there's an announcement ther esomewhere... |
| 06:55.50 | streuner | hkdom: pdo would know better, but i expect those packages if they already arent in testing soon. |
| 06:56.14 | hkdom | ok :) |
| 06:56.18 | kimo | jasoncohen, is this the same as xsupplicant, also, does this mean I can live without using *any* cisco leap software ? |
| 06:56.54 | sep | ndazza: there is nothing about reducing archs in debian news at may 31 |
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| 06:56.57 | jbmigel | ndazza i was just curious what the 4th architecture was |
| 06:57.04 | streuner | hkdom: 2.10 (GNOME is soon in etch and KDE 3.4) as well |
| 06:57.20 | ndazza | jbmigel, from memory, i386, ia64, amd64, ppc |
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| 06:57.34 | jasoncohen | kimo, actually just check out /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa_supplicant.conf.gz |
| 06:57.40 | jbmigel | ndazza ahhh itanium... i forgot that existed... wonder why |
| 06:57.43 | jasoncohen | kimo, it has examples for nearly every configuration |
| 06:57.43 | ndazza | sep, not directly, but there are links to it somewhere i think... |
| 06:57.54 | kimo | jasoncohen, thnc |
| 06:57.55 | kimo | jasoncohen, thnx |
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| 06:58.17 | jasoncohen | kimo, i use it for WPA-PSK so i could't give you info specifically on LEAP but i know it supports it |
| 06:58.23 | hkdom | streuner, i am loving it :) |
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| 06:58.49 | jasoncohen | kimo, apt-get install wpasupplicant |
| 06:58.49 | hkdom | i tried ubuntu, but still want to use debian after that. |
| 06:59.15 | streuner | !info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 06:59.18 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-5 (sid), Packaged size: 15571 kB, Installed size: 45768 kB |
| 06:59.19 | jasoncohen | good luck kikyou |
| 06:59.20 | streuner | !info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 etch |
| 06:59.23 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-5 (etch), Packaged size: 15571 kB, Installed size: 45768 kB |
| 06:59.25 | jasoncohen | good luck kimo |
| 06:59.47 | kimo | jaspernyc, thanks again :) |
| 07:00.14 | hkdom | any big difference if I am using A64 for desktop for newer kernel? |
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| 07:01.47 | ndazza | sep, ok you're right, i can't find it... |
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| 07:02.59 | ndazza | jbmigel, here's the announcement http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
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| 07:03.21 | e2e | Hi, i'm not sure if it's a gnome or alsa problem, my sound muted on every reboot. I have to open with alsamixer, or gnome-volume-control. What could be the problem? |
| 07:03.24 | sep | ndazza: i imagine i read a thred about it beeing discussed,m but i doubt thay realy wanted to reduce the number of archs, there are so many distros that are arch spesific so it woudnt make much point |
| 07:03.54 | BullWeivel | alright...just installed and rebooted...now it wont boot. I get LI and that is it. SO I figured lets go with rescue disk. I typed in rescue root=/dev/sda didnt work...so i tried sda1 sda2 sda3 ... wtf am i doing wrong? i get kernel panic when i do the rescue command |
| 07:03.54 | ndazza | sep, see the link i just pasted |
| 07:04.06 | bruce2005 | bob2: thanks |
| 07:04.51 | streuner | !LI |
| 07:04.51 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 07:05.11 | sep | ndazza: ahh yes theyr not dropping archs, just not releaseing for all archs in sych. |
| 07:05.19 | silverton | http://news.com.com/Debian+drops+ball+on+security+updates/2100-1002_3-5737401.html?tag=sas.email |
| 07:05.26 | silverton | it's funnyt how they say there is a flaw, and it's easy to fix |
| 07:05.30 | ndazza | sep, not quite, they're not releasing for all archs at all |
| 07:05.31 | silverton | but they don't link to anywhere to fix it... |
| 07:05.32 | silverton | wtf? |
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| 07:05.50 | BullWeivel | streuner: how do i run the rescue floppy now though? i just will take me into the install |
| 07:06.07 | ndazza | sep, they're only releasing for 4 archs, the remainder will be hosted on some other mirror |
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| 07:06.18 | ndazza | IIRC |
| 07:06.19 | BullWeivel | or should i just type rescue..and use the root floppy... guess im confused. |
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| 07:08.36 | xcyborg_ | how do I extract the files from a iso besides mounting it with -o loop ? |
| 07:08.43 | streuner | BullWeivel: just boot the media, chroot it and re-run lilo -v |
| 07:08.45 | nick01 | why is sarge still using the 2.4 kernel ?! |
| 07:08.51 | sep | ndazza: yes it wont be released as 'etch' but it will still be available thru scc.debian.org. i just misunderstood you i thougt you ment they were dropping archs. |
| 07:09.02 | sep | witch i found hard to belive |
| 07:09.06 | nick01 | on distrowatch 2.6 is listed |
| 07:09.07 | john | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ <--- is that down now? |
| 07:09.33 | ndazza | sep, :) depends on the definition of 'dropping', they won't be officially supported, won't get security updates, ... |
| 07:09.34 | streuner | nick01: it use both 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernels - whatever you want |
| 07:09.47 | nick01 | streuner, so how do I get 2.6 ? |
| 07:09.58 | jbmigel | wow ndazza accoriding to this all those other architectures are out of testing as of now! looks like im not going to bother bidding on that old sun workstation anymore unless i want to be running openBSD on it |
| 07:10.05 | silverton | on a netinst, is there a way that I can remove everything, and redo it? |
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| 07:10.10 | streuner | nick01: man apt-cache |
| 07:10.16 | nick01 | :/ |
| 07:10.22 | streuner | !tell nick01 about search |
| 07:10.29 | ndazza | jbmigel, yup :) |
| 07:10.42 | nick01 | so I just apt-get it ? |
| 07:10.53 | streuner | yep |
| 07:11.01 | technos | jbmigel: Just because it's no longer a core arch doesn't mean Debian won't be released for it. A64 wasn't a core arch until now, yet you can get Sarge for it. |
| 07:11.06 | nick01 | wasn't there an option when installing from cd ? |
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| 07:11.19 | BullWeivel | nm....figured it out..well the rescue disk part that is |
| 07:11.29 | silverton | A64? |
| 07:11.30 | streuner | nick01: sarge has an 2.6.8 kernel - thats the latest, if you use desktop just use etch (testing) then. |
| 07:11.31 | ndazza | jbmigel, though all the arch's are still listed in my mirror under 'etch' |
| 07:11.32 | silverton | AMD64? |
| 07:11.44 | nick01 | k |
| 07:11.44 | technos | *nods* AMD64. |
| 07:11.47 | silverton | k |
| 07:11.54 | jbmigel | technos yes i am running pure64 on one server... hey wait can i switch to real repository now with that you say? |
| 07:12.06 | streuner | nick01: yes - linux26 |
| 07:12.22 | technos | jbmigel: At some point, probably. |
| 07:12.23 | silverton | technos, would you happen to know, k, after doing a netinst, and fucking up with unstable, can I REMOVE everything, and redo the installing with testing again? without having to pop the cd in and redo all that jazz? |
| 07:12.26 | Guerin | i love how cnet thinks that debian and redhat are 'competing' |
| 07:12.34 | nick01 | streuner, is debian using a vanilla kernel or a modified one > |
| 07:12.35 | nick01 | ? |
| 07:12.38 | Guerin | fucking business news, what a waste of time |
| 07:12.39 | ce_smu_zogza | hi |
| 07:12.57 | Guerin | nick01: very heavily patched and customised |
| 07:13.04 | ndazza | Guerin, and the reference to the netscape release is particularly enlightening... |
| 07:13.06 | silverton | Guerin, is it? |
| 07:13.09 | technos | silverton: I think you can uninstall everything but the unstable deps for apt, yes |
| 07:13.11 | pipeline | I wouldn't say "very heavily patched and customized" so much |
| 07:13.11 | Guerin | silverton: is what? |
| 07:13.16 | pipeline | It's not as bad as it used to be |
| 07:13.23 | silverton | heavily patched and customized |
| 07:13.23 | nick01 | then how do I get the debian kernel source ? apt get it too ? :) |
| 07:13.25 | technos | silverton: And then repopulate with Testing. |
| 07:13.40 | silverton | technos, "unstable deps" ? |
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| 07:13.53 | Guerin | it's pretty far from a mainline kernel, and it's built modular with an initrd.... the mainline kernel doesn't even HAVE cramfs built in. |
| 07:14.13 | technos | silverton: dpkg/apt dependancies. Can't remove em. They'll stay unstable. |
| 07:14.28 | streuner | john: its broken |
| 07:14.32 | silverton | ohh.. Now the question, how do I remove everything? |
| 07:14.36 | john | streuner: i noticed ;( |
| 07:14.44 | streuner | john: for stable and unstable |
| 07:14.58 | john | testing works? |
| 07:15.07 | streuner | no idea |
| 07:15.14 | technos | silverton: Sit down with dpkg/apt, just start ripping em out. :) |
| 07:15.22 | streuner | but i expect the same for testing |
| 07:15.25 | silverton | blech... |
| 07:15.31 | Guerin | silverton: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |awk /^ii/ {print $2} |xargs dpkg --force-all -P |
| 07:15.34 | ndazza | technos, and there goes your package management... :) |
| 07:15.37 | silverton | It would probably be more time friendly just doing it over |
| 07:15.44 | Guerin | silverton: you know what the'll do, right?? |
| 07:15.52 | silverton | Guerin, not a frikin clue. |
| 07:15.56 | technos | silverton: And much safer. |
| 07:16.04 | john | If I want to use the new testing - should i just change all of my sources to testing? because i tried that, and it all fails. I'm sure everybody has asked this, and I'll just get yelled at.. but lol |
| 07:16.06 | Guerin | silverton: it'll remove every package from your computer, and all config files. |
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| 07:16.23 | silverton | I'll just play the linux russian roulette game on it and reinstall tomorrow |
| 07:16.25 | Guerin | !wayttd silverton |
| 07:16.27 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, silverton? |
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| 07:16.48 | silverton | Guerin, I fucked up going to unstable, and I'd like to just start over without having to redo the netinst |
| 07:17.06 | ndazza | "redo" == go back to sarge? |
| 07:17.06 | Guerin | silverton: you want to unfuck your machine, or roll back to testing? |
| 07:17.25 | laopa | any gui for managing mysql? |
| 07:17.32 | silverton | I want to unfuck it |
| 07:17.39 | Guerin | what's fucked about it? |
| 07:17.41 | sep | laopa: i use phpmyadmin, web page admin tool |
| 07:17.41 | ndazza | laopa, openoffice, phpmyadmin |
| 07:17.44 | silverton | gnome panels are gone |
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| 07:18.03 | Guerin | silverton: oh. Just wait. |
| 07:18.13 | ndazza | laopa, probably webmin too |
| 07:18.14 | silverton | Okay. |
| 07:18.28 | laopa | ndazza, openoffice? which package in it? |
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| 07:18.37 | Guerin | silverton: use another windowmanager itmt; it'll fix itself in time. Why are you using unstable if you can't fix trivial packaging fuckups? |
| 07:18.50 | silverton | Guerin, I wanted gnome 2.10! :D |
| 07:18.57 | Guerin | silverton: more fool you. |
| 07:18.58 | ndazza | laopa, you'd need one of the 2.0 betas, and either JDBC or UnixODBC |
| 07:19.01 | streuner | silverton: GNOME is biiigggg, and therefor it needs more time till every single package is uploaded... |
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| 07:19.38 | jbmigel | gnome 2.10 is in sid already? is xorg too then? |
| 07:19.39 | laopa | i am most interested in using openoffice to do it. i wonder if with it i can also convert my spreadsheet data to the db? |
| 07:19.51 | silverton | jbmigel, it's just beginning to be in sid |
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| 07:20.20 | ndazza | laopa, i'm not so good with the details, do a google on openoffice data access or somesuch |
| 07:20.28 | jbmigel | silverton thats awesome, i might just have to break my desktop for that next week! |
| 07:20.32 | Guerin | john__: patience, crasshopper. |
| 07:20.37 | john__ | If I want to use the new testing - should i just change all of my sources to testing? because i tried that, and it all fails. I'm sure everybody has asked this, and I'll just get yelled at.. but lol |
| 07:20.37 | silverton | jbmigel, good luck with that |
| 07:20.47 | laopa | ndazza, oo2.0 is non-free, right? |
| 07:21.08 | Guerin | !sarge->etch |
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| 07:21.14 | ndazza | laopa, well, it hasn't been released, but the intention is it will be completely free |
| 07:21.19 | Guerin | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 07:21.19 | dpkg | Sarge too old for you ALREADY? Change 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch' or 'testing' and remove the security.debian.org line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade. Enjoy. |
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| 07:21.50 | john | why remove the security.debian.org line? |
| 07:21.54 | jbmigel | john you can put "testing" all over where is says sarge in your source.list... then "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" as root |
| 07:21.58 | Guerin | OO.o is free software, but the upstream relies on non-free software to run, so you shouldn't use it, because it's crap. |
| 07:22.09 | sep | John there is no security for testing yet |
| 07:22.10 | Guerin | jbmigel: you need to comment the security line too |
| 07:22.17 | john | oh |
| 07:22.24 | john | sep: I guess that makes sense then huh? lol |
| 07:22.30 | jbmigel | Guerin ya unless he installed from r01 cd lol |
| 07:22.33 | john | hmm, I think I'll stick with Sarge for now. |
| 07:22.41 | Guerin | jbmigel: indeed. |
| 07:22.45 | jm_ | what's this lol crap today? |
| 07:22.50 | ndazza | Guerin, upstream is working on getting the 2.0 release compilable with the java compiler (i'm assuming you are referring to the java issue) |
| 07:22.52 | sep | john clever idea |
| 07:22.54 | john | !lol |
| 07:22.54 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 07:23.01 | lispy | i just did apt-get upgrade and now i get this when i log into squirrelmail: Error connecting to IMAP server: tls://192.168.1.102. |
| 07:23.03 | lispy | 115 : Operation now in progress |
| 07:23.13 | lispy | any idea how i can fix this? |
| 07:23.19 | Guerin | ndazza: they're going to release it compatible with gcj or another free java implementation? |
| 07:23.31 | laopa | sep, ndazza, i'll go for phpmyadmin. thks. |
| 07:23.34 | ndazza | Guerin, compatible with gcj |
| 07:23.37 | lispy | based on google searches i think it's a bug in php4, but the old php package is gone now |
| 07:23.41 | lispy | not in apt anymore |
| 07:23.45 | ndazza | laopa, np. phpmyadmin works well |
| 07:23.47 | lispy | and i really need webmail |
| 07:23.48 | Guerin | ndazza: that's awesome. Have you got a link? |
| 07:23.51 | jm_ | lispy: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 07:23.57 | sep | lispy: not without you telling us what version your running, what you were running before your upgraded |
| 07:24.14 | lispy | sep: i don't know whati was running |
| 07:24.19 | ndazza | Guerin, no :D and i don't recall where i read it either... hopefully google can turn up something useful |
| 07:24.20 | tarzeau | morning |
| 07:24.28 | Guerin | i shall seek |
| 07:24.37 | lispy | sep: i'm nowing running whatever is in apt, (getting the number now) |
| 07:24.44 | ndazza | tarzeau, not here it isn't :) |
| 07:25.06 | lispy | php4/stable uptodate 4:4.3.10-15 |
| 07:25.06 | sep | lispy: check your sources.list file it should tell you something |
| 07:25.24 | Solet-deb | hey anyone know how to change the voice for the festival tts engine? |
| 07:25.27 | laopa | sep, ndazza, does phpmyadmin helps much if i want to use mysql via web access? |
| 07:25.52 | lispy | sep: uh, sources just gives my sources it won't say which version of php i had... |
| 07:26.04 | sep | laopa: i use phpmyadmin to create the databases and permissions for the webdevelopers to have access to a database from php and web |
| 07:26.07 | jm_ | Solet-deb: yes, someone does |
| 07:26.28 | laopa | sep, sounds great. |
| 07:26.41 | lispy | sep: are you trying to figure out what version of debian i'm running? |
| 07:27.01 | sep | lispy: more what you were running before you apt-get upgrade :) |
| 07:27.06 | Solet-deb | ok fine fuck you jm_ is this better --> |
| 07:27.24 | jm_ | no |
| 07:27.30 | lispy | sep: whatever was in unstable about 2 months ago |
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| 07:27.37 | jm_ | glad I can keep the information for myself now |
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| 07:27.50 | Guerin | ndazza: http://www.techenclave.com/forums/search/topic/3367-1.html # true! |
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| 07:28.04 | ndazza | sep, yes, that's all it does |
| 07:28.05 | Solet-deb | i would like assistance changing the voice in the festival tts engine, are any of us assembled here active and knowing how to help me? |
| 07:28.20 | tarzeau | Solet-deb: sure |
| 07:28.20 | sep | lispy: outch, i widh you luck |
| 07:28.23 | ndazza | Guerin, :) how cool is that? |
| 07:28.32 | tarzeau | Solet-deb: but that doesn't mean anyone actually will do |
| 07:28.32 | lispy | sep: why? |
| 07:28.38 | sep | lispy: /topic |
| 07:29.14 | Guerin | ndazza: potentially the best thing about it is that it gets sun staff and oo.o devs working with and on gcj |
| 07:29.20 | Guerin | ndazza: which means more long-term goodness. |
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| 07:29.40 | lispy | sep: the thing is the version of php i that i have installed right now, seems to be the only version available in stable/testing/unstable |
| 07:29.41 | sep | lispy: all the new stuff that's been on hold for sarge release are now pouring into sid, so your box is now cutting edge |
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| 07:29.48 | Solet-deb | tarzeau: asshole... |
| 07:29.52 | ndazza | Guerin, really? i hadn't read that much of the article... |
| 07:30.09 | Guerin | ndazza: well, many of the oo.o devs are employed by sun. |
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| 07:30.17 | ndazza | Guerin, it will be big promotional stuff for gjc too |
| 07:30.24 | sep | lispy: perhaps apache got upgrade, dont you have a log of the upgrade ? |
| 07:30.24 | Guerin | ndazza: indeed. |
| 07:30.25 | lispy | sep: can you please using testing/stable/unstable, i can't keep up with the sid/potato/so on naming :( |
| 07:30.38 | Guerin | lispy: come on, it's not fucking rocket science |
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| 07:30.43 | Subvertir | Guerin, so like, with gcj, you can build all the java libraries as native ELF .so files? |
| 07:30.52 | lispy | sep: i'd only have a log if apt left one... |
| 07:31.00 | hkdom | can i downgrade my sid to etch? |
| 07:31.04 | Guerin | Subvertir: i don't know anything about the technical side of it, sorry. |
| 07:31.12 | Subvertir | that's cool |
| 07:31.22 | Guerin | hkdom: yes, but not immediately. |
| 07:31.22 | Subvertir | neither do I, obviously |
| 07:31.40 | streuner | !downgrade |
| 07:31.41 | dpkg | i guess downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 07:31.45 | lispy | Guerin: i'm not a debian junky, just a user |
| 07:31.52 | Guerin | hkdom: you basically need to wait and not upgrade or install anything until etch has advanced beyond your current install. |
| 07:32.12 | lispy | sep: i don't see anything useful in /var/log |
| 07:32.13 | hkdom | ic, thx |
| 07:32.18 | Guerin | lispy: i fail to see what this has to do with you learning the meanings of four common codenames. |
| 07:32.27 | sep | lispy: but seriously im not running sid myself, becouse it's too much work fixing it all the time :) |
| 07:32.29 | sep | i use woody :) |
| 07:32.37 | Guerin | hkdom: at current rates, might only be a few weeks or a month |
| 07:32.37 | hkdom | still using woody? |
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| 07:33.00 | ndazza | sep, yeah man, didn't you know sarge has been out for 4 DAYS?!?! :p |
| 07:33.00 | lispy | sep: which one is sid? and that won't help because it's the save version of php in each distro right now |
| 07:33.06 | hkdom | etch is not so ready now you mean? |
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| 07:33.26 | sep | sid= unstable allways |
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| 07:33.41 | BibTeX | hello |
| 07:33.43 | streuner | hkdom: if you upgrade from sarge it is |
| 07:33.49 | Subvertir | Guerin, I'm just imagining that, instead of virtual machines (java/.net) it might be possible to just build .net or java programs/libs as native ELF files, and then use the functionality found in those libs in higher level languages (C++, python, perl?) |
| 07:33.53 | sep | ndazza: ill probably upgrade to sarge before the security for woody stops |
| 07:33.56 | BibTeX | how to mount a DVD... knowing that I do not have /dev/dvd ??? |
| 07:33.58 | lispy | sep: they don't change the names anymore? |
| 07:34.05 | sep | but woody works like a charm if it's not broke, dont fix it |
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| 07:34.15 | lispy | which one is woody? |
| 07:34.18 | ndazza | sep, most sane people using woody would... |
| 07:34.24 | Subvertir | or use the virtual machine but compile frequently used stuff as native executables in the background |
| 07:34.25 | Guerin | Subvertir: hell, you're still way outta my depth. I can get by in shell, but i can't program at all. |
| 07:34.27 | sep | lispy: sid is allways unstable, it's allways been unstable. |
| 07:34.28 | streuner | hkdom: as Guerin already told you, it needs some time till _ALL_ packages goes from sid to etch |
| 07:34.31 | lispy | i have testing set as my default, and then install form unstable |
| 07:34.31 | ndazza | lispy, woody is the old stable release |
| 07:34.43 | ndazza | lispy, which has been recently superceded by sarge |
| 07:34.45 | Subvertir | Guerin, I'm not a very good programmer either, don't feel bad |
| 07:35.00 | ndazza | lispy, etch is 'testing', which will one day be the next release, but for now it's still 'being cooked' |
| 07:35.10 | BibTeX | how to mount a DVD... knowing that I do not have /dev/dvd |
| 07:35.10 | Subvertir | I'm just half-drunk talking out of my ass, actually |
| 07:35.18 | lispy | i hate how they keep chanig the names |
| 07:35.32 | hkdom | streuner : i understand now, thanks for telling me :) |
| 07:35.39 | laopa | sep, phpmyadmin asking me to choose one of 4 version of apache. how to find out my version? |
| 07:35.43 | Subvertir | BibTeX, dmesg | grep DVD |
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| 07:35.47 | sep | lispy: they are not chaning the names, you just dont understand the system |
| 07:35.53 | Subvertir | ln -s <dvddevice> /dev/dvd |
| 07:35.55 | ndazza | Subvertir, from what i understand gjc compiles to native .ELF executables yes |
| 07:35.56 | Guerin | 37 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, since YESTERDAY |
| 07:35.59 | Guerin | sid really is back! |
| 07:36.06 | sirv | anyone know if debian has a problem with big disks (ie disks with 2tb+ in size?) |
| 07:36.09 | sep | laopa: you know what you installed, or you find out with man dpkg |
| 07:36.23 | hkdom | i have 3 box running sarge for company use, 1 ubuntu as toy and 1 sid for FUN :P |
| 07:36.40 | Subvertir | ndazza, wouldn't it be cool to use it to cache java applications? |
| 07:36.41 | streuner | Guerin: nobody wanted to upload packages to unstable (sarge release) |
| 07:36.42 | ndazza | lispy, that's part of software design :) the next windows is 'longhorn' but will probably be released as Windows XXP or something |
| 07:36.48 | Guerin | streuner: oh, I know. |
| 07:36.53 | streuner | ok |
| 07:37.03 | hkdom | laopa : normally is apache |
| 07:37.04 | laopa | i tried 'file apache' or 'apache -v' but no help. |
| 07:37.09 | ndazza | Subvertir, i don't really understand what you mean... if everything is native executables there's no virtual machine to do caching |
| 07:37.17 | BibTeX | Subvertir: hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R2102, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 07:37.17 | BibTeX | hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
| 07:37.36 | BibTeX | so mount /dev/hdc ??? |
| 07:37.37 | laopa | i think it is apache2, but don't know how to confirm. |
| 07:37.55 | hkdom | laopa should be just select one and confirm |
| 07:38.00 | Subvertir | ndazza, for instance, if you play yahoo pool frequently, the browser would call gcj to compile it and all the libraries it depends on, cache a copy of the java files and checksum them every time you go to the site |
| 07:38.10 | Guerin | marillat still busted though |
| 07:38.11 | sep | laopa: man dpkg |
| 07:38.19 | laopa | sep, ok. |
| 07:38.32 | Subvertir | BibTeX, so ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd (if you like that device name) |
| 07:38.35 | ndazza | Subvertir, ahhh... i get ya. i wonder if that would be possible... |
| 07:38.39 | Subvertir | then mount /dev/dvd /cdrom |
| 07:38.42 | hkdom | oh, i just play irc #debian for few hours, but I know I am in love with it :P |
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| 07:39.05 | BibTeX | Subvertir: what is the filesystem of a DVD... is it iso9660 ?? |
| 07:39.10 | Subvertir | I'm not sure |
| 07:39.14 | Subvertir | I don't own a dvd-rom |
| 07:39.14 | ndazza | Subvertir, of course, one of the properties of java applets is that the .class file is downloaded every time... |
| 07:39.20 | Guerin | either is9660 or UDF |
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| 07:39.32 | lispy | i'll try installing old version of php from /var/cache and see what happens |
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| 07:39.39 | ndazza | Subvertir, which would kind of break things |
| 07:39.41 | Subvertir | ndazza, of course, that's why you store a copy of the class file that hte native executable was generated from, and compare it with the downloaded one every time the site is finished |
| 07:39.49 | Empty | Guerin, ITYM iso9660 |
| 07:39.50 | Subvertir | how long does checksumming take? |
| 07:39.56 | Guerin | Empty: i do. |
| 07:39.58 | lispy | damn, same error |
| 07:39.59 | Subvertir | s/finished/loaded/ |
| 07:40.08 | Subvertir | s/loaded/visi, oh fuck it you get my point |
| 07:40.09 | ndazza | Subvertir, you're still downloading the file though! the only thing you save on is compile time... |
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| 07:40.15 | lispy | this really blows |
| 07:40.23 | Subvertir | ndazza, and the time required to launch the java virtual machine! |
| 07:40.37 | Subvertir | assuming the .class file isn't changed |
| 07:40.41 | Guerin | streuner: fractions of seconds, you mean?> |
| 07:40.43 | Subvertir | in which case it'd be marginally slower |
| 07:40.56 | streuner | Guerin: pardon? |
| 07:40.57 | ndazza | Subvertir, yeah, correct i suppose... depends on the performance of the compiler itself |
| 07:41.06 | Guerin | streuner: sorry. |
| 07:41.10 | Guerin | Subvertir: ^^ |
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| 07:41.29 | Empty | Guerin has been on heavy muscle relaxers all day |
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| 07:41.34 | Empty | That's my theory anyway |
| 07:41.40 | Subvertir | sign me up |
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| 07:41.53 | Guerin | Empty: naw, I'm always like this. |
| 07:41.57 | Empty | lol |
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| 07:42.07 | ndazza | Empty, i have low density muscles, should i be on 'light' muscle relaxers? |
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| 07:42.15 | ndazza | :) |
| 07:42.18 | qpee | hi i need to substitute '<?' with '<?php' in all .php files. how could i do that from command line in one go? |
| 07:42.40 | jm_ | qpee: vim can do that, or sed, or ed, or sarep if you can't manage the first three solutions |
| 07:42.42 | Empty | ndazza, Nah you seem mellow enough... |
| 07:42.45 | co | #jakarta |
| 07:43.01 | ndazza | qpee, man cat; man sed |
| 07:43.01 | sussudio | #nein! |
| 07:43.02 | Guerin | qpee: sed -ie 's/<\?/<\php/g' *.php #untested |
| 07:43.05 | Empty | ...or perl |
| 07:43.15 | Subvertir | for i in *.php; do cat $i|grep \<?\| sed 's/\<?\/\<?php\/g' > $i;done |
| 07:43.17 | Subvertir | or somesuch |
| 07:43.18 | ndazza | Empty, .. i'll take that as a compliment :) |
| 07:43.27 | Guerin | (unsure if the ? needs escaping; I believe it does) |
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| 07:43.37 | Guerin | Subvertir: wtf |
| 07:43.41 | Subvertir | yeah the escapes mess me up too |
| 07:43.49 | Guerin | Subvertir: most complicated method EVER |
| 07:43.49 | qpee | thanks all |
| 07:43.54 | Empty | ndazza, it is... the guys looking to waste hours to save microseconds could use some sedatives though ;) |
| 07:43.57 | Subvertir | lol probably so |
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| 07:44.13 | ndazza | Subvertir, you don't need the 'cat' either |
| 07:44.26 | Subvertir | yeah you can do grep $i pattern right? |
| 07:44.27 | Subvertir | I forgot |
| 07:44.41 | Guerin | the for loop is the most egregious waste of time |
| 07:44.55 | ndazza | Empty, a la --omg-optimised ( http://funroll-loops.org/ ) |
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| 07:45.16 | ndazza | Empty, and a la Guerin's last statement |
| 07:45.16 | Subvertir | Guerin, better method? |
| 07:45.23 | Guerin | Subvertir: mine |
| 07:45.28 | Subvertir | ohh okay |
| 07:45.31 | Subvertir | I didn't notice it up there |
| 07:45.46 | Subvertir | right on |
| 07:45.49 | Subvertir | I'm not that familiar with sed |
| 07:45.58 | Subvertir | I suppose I should be =D |
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| 07:46.14 | pwned | I think he meant the *.php at the end fixing everything automagically |
| 07:46.28 | laopa | sep, how to start run phpmyadmin, i can't locate any icon for it in the kde menu. |
| 07:46.47 | sep | laopa: as i said earlier it's a WEB page admin tool |
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| 07:46.52 | sep | laopa: you have to browse to it |
| 07:46.53 | BK | where can i change the DNS server debian uses ? |
| 07:47.03 | sep | BK /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 07:47.11 | streuner | BK: DHCP? |
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| 07:47.11 | laopa | sep, got it, sorry. |
| 07:47.19 | BK | yes streuner |
| 07:47.41 | streuner | BK: edit /etc/dhclient.conf or such |
| 07:47.47 | Empty | laopa, it;s a CGI script |
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| 07:48.11 | qpee | Guerin: that made a disaster, but i'll try to find out why :) |
| 07:48.27 | Guerin | qpee: what sort of disaster? |
| 07:48.28 | ndazza | Empty, i think it's a php script... |
| 07:48.48 | Empty | ndazza, phpmyadmin is CGI |
| 07:49.05 | ndazza | Empty, okey :) i'll take ur word for it |
| 07:49.11 | qpee | Guerin: all the '<?' where substituted with hundreds of '<?php's |
| 07:49.14 | Empty | Yeah it's PHP but it requires apache libs IIRC |
| 07:49.34 | qpee | Guerin: i mean using sed -ie 's/<\?/<\?php/g' *.php |
| 07:49.36 | Subvertir | <qpee> hi i need to substitute '<?' with '<?php' in all .php files. how could i do that from command line in one go? |
| 07:49.39 | Subvertir | ......... |
| 07:49.45 | ndazza | Empty, if it requires apache libs it's probably not cgi... i imagine the libs it requires are the php libs |
| 07:49.49 | Guerin | qpee: aargh, i see. It's gone through each class multiple times |
| 07:49.57 | ndazza | Empty, cgi should be built in or already installed as a module |
| 07:49.59 | Guerin | each, um, file |
| 07:50.09 | Guerin | not class |
| 07:50.10 | Empty | phpmyadmin - set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW |
| 07:50.18 | Empty | courtesy of our pal Apt |
| 07:50.28 | Subvertir | phpmyadmin - a database compromise waiting to happen |
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| 07:51.07 | Empty | Subvertir, my personal favorite is Webmin |
| 07:51.09 | ndazza | Empty, thanks apt :) |
| 07:51.12 | laopa | sep, Empty, i can access now. a lot of stuff to read up. thks forthe help. bye. |
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| 07:51.40 | Subvertir | i seem to recall webmin having some decent stuff for printer management |
| 07:51.48 | ndazza | Subvertir, it was for development use... |
| 07:51.53 | Empty | Subvertir, oh they have lots of decent stuff |
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| 07:51.57 | Empty | Very pretty stuff |
| 07:52.08 | Guerin | webmin is indecent in every way |
| 07:52.11 | Empty | With nice strong setuid root cgi programs |
| 07:52.16 | Guerin | heh |
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| 07:52.25 | Subvertir | so you run it over a VPN |
| 07:52.25 | tarzeau | Guerin: can you not just say that it sucks? |
| 07:52.28 | Subvertir | or on your LAN |
| 07:52.37 | Guerin | tarzeau: i could have, yeah. |
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| 07:52.49 | Empty | Subvertir, security is not a wall. Security is an onion. Ponder on this :) |
| 07:52.54 | ndazza | Subvertir, on my lan, no external access |
| 07:53.03 | Subvertir | Empty, I'm well aware of this |
| 07:53.08 | eps | if I am a pleb user sshed into a remote linux box and I need to be able to use its web browser (aka mozilla) how do I "see" it from here (also debian) - or do I need to be root to change all the x stuff |
| 07:53.08 | Empty | oh shit I am sounding zen it must be bedtime nearly |
| 07:53.10 | Guerin | but the wost thing about webmin is that it teaches you to be a drooling moron instead of an admin |
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| 07:53.23 | eps | Monitor = sex spammer bot |
| 07:53.27 | co | #jakarta |
| 07:53.32 | Empty | Guerin, single point of admin failure |
| 07:53.50 | Subvertir | Guerin, using webmin to manage a print server on a LAN machine over a VPN = drooling idiocy? |
| 07:53.59 | Subvertir | s/machine// |
| 07:54.00 | Empty | eps X11 forwarding in SSH |
| 07:54.08 | lispy | well, i downgraded php and apache, still getting that message |
| 07:54.10 | keikoz | mmh there is a bot spamming on-join |
| 07:54.15 | qpee | Guerin: do you know how to avoid these multiple substitutions? |
| 07:54.15 | keikoz | monitor |
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| 07:54.26 | eps | Empty can I enable that from a pleb account? |
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| 07:54.34 | ndazza | eps, if X forwarding is set up (and security is not a big issue) ssh in with the -X option, then just run the web browser from the command line |
| 07:54.35 | lispy | guess i'll try squirrelmail next |
| 07:54.42 | Empty | eps, has to be configured on the sshd configs on the remote host |
| 07:54.56 | streuner | keikoz: !ops Monitor is an on-join spambot |
| 07:54.57 | lispy | er guess i don't have an old version of that |
| 07:55.01 | Subvertir | qpee, that's sorta hard |
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| 07:55.33 | streuner | !wb Oberjaeger |
| 07:55.34 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Oberjaeger has returned! |
| 07:55.38 | keikoz | oh |
| 07:55.52 | streuner | !ops Monitor is an on-join spambot |
| 07:55.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Monitor is an on-join spambot |
| 07:56.05 | eps | Empty mozilla seems to start but doesn't come up on my screen (I assume I just opened it on some one elses in the computer labs :|) |
| 07:56.07 | qpee | Subvertir: why? it's a pretty basic thing in general :) |
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| 07:56.20 | Noid | ok, i'm lost... i have two identical /etc/sudoers files in two computers, i can edit and save one of them with visudo, but the other one keeps giving me a syntax error, what should i check? /etc/hosts is the same in both cases |
| 07:56.20 | jm_ | qpee: lose the g flag |
| 07:56.21 | Empty | eps No if its going anywhere its to you |
| 07:56.21 | keikoz | !ops Monitor is an on-join spambot |
| 07:56.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Monitor is an on-join spambot |
| 07:56.36 | Empty | You can have a lot of fun with a WAV player that way though ;) |
| 07:56.36 | Logi | Monitor is a spambot |
| 07:56.46 | eps | Empty my situation is I'm a student trying to submit an assignment (due today) and the IT department decided to kill off all web access from out side (like the idiots they are) - though the site still works internally and I have normal ssh access. :| |
| 07:56.46 | Logi | any ops present? |
| 07:56.59 | ndazza | qpee try this on a sample file: sed -ie 's/(<\php)*/<\?php/g' *.php |
| 07:57.00 | streuner | Logi: prolly not... |
| 07:57.08 | Empty | eps, lynx? |
| 07:57.18 | qpee | jm_: that didn't bring more, every line starts outwith the stirng again |
| 07:57.29 | Empty | eps, OR if you want to get tricky use hosts and ssh portforwarding |
| 07:57.33 | eps | Empty, peoplesoft goodness stops that... hey it worked :D just very laggy |
| 07:57.37 | eps | thanks Empty :D |
| 07:57.44 | Empty | eps, NP :) |
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| 07:58.06 | streuner | Logi: !ops Monitor is an on-join spambot <-- try that in 5-10 minutes |
| 07:58.25 | eps | omg this is slow!!! |
| 07:58.29 | eps | oh well |
| 07:58.34 | Logi | streuner: will do |
| 07:58.34 | Empty | eps, deal with it |
| 07:58.52 | eps | I am... 40 second waits at a time :) |
| 07:58.58 | Empty | eps, ssh tunneling it will be faster but much less flexible |
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| 07:59.03 | eps | just happy I can access it |
| 07:59.12 | ndazza | eps, make the window smaller and less data will have to travel across the network |
| 07:59.31 | qpee | ndazza: that did not do anything with the file :) |
| 07:59.33 | jm_ | qpee: 's/<?/<?php/' |
| 07:59.40 | tvn | how do I check if hyperthreading in the cpu is enabled & recognized by linux ? |
| 07:59.57 | ndazza | eps, also try using the -C option to ssh to enable compression |
| 08:00.00 | orjan | In the x-not vnc factiod there is an url to MicroImages where there should be an free X server. The one I find MI/X seems not to be free. Has something changed or is there another X server to look for? |
| 08:00.03 | Logi | tvn: see /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:00.07 | ndazza | qpee, plz show me a one-line sample of the problem |
| 08:00.12 | Logi | tvn: are there two CPUs? |
| 08:00.35 | tvn | Logi: the machine has 2 cpu physically , each with hyperthreading |
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| 08:00.59 | Logi | tvn: well, then expect 4 cpus |
| 08:01.00 | Empty | tvn" what Logi said but it's 4 if there are 2 physical ones |
| 08:01.05 | eps | thanks for the help ndazza and Empty :) |
| 08:01.13 | Empty | eps No problem :) |
| 08:01.15 | ndazza | eps, np |
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| 08:01.30 | qpee | jm_: that wokred out! |
| 08:01.33 | Logi | tvn: also, run top and press l to enable SMP view. You should have 4 cpu status lines |
| 08:02.31 | qpee | ndazza: i have files which contain the string '<?', which should be replaced by '<?php'. the line "sed -ie 's/<?/<?php/' *.php" did it now |
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| 08:03.16 | tvn | I checked with /proc/cpuinfo but it only shows 2 processors , there is a flag 'ht' from cpuinfo , not sure if that stands for hyperthreading or not |
| 08:03.24 | qpee | jm_: hmm, i just saw: the files in folders have not been touched |
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| 08:04.01 | dman_ | Dr_O: THX. just succesfully upgraded to sarge (nice tip in the release notes regarding the transcript of the session!!) |
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| 08:04.17 | ndazza | qpee, ahh i thought you had sent <? to something like <php<php<php<php<php and wanted to get it back to <?php |
| 08:04.42 | qpee | ndazza: no, i had a backup :) |
| 08:04.49 | ndazza | qpee, wise move :) |
| 08:05.16 | Logi | tvn: I believe it does, i.e. the kernel will "know" that HT is present, but hasn't enabled it |
| 08:05.18 | ndazza | qpee, the sed command won't run recursively (i don't know if it can), you can run the command in each folder |
| 08:05.18 | qpee | ndazza: but now i the sed command did not catch all the files recusivly, only those in the top level dir. |
| 08:05.28 | Logi | tvn: unfortunately, this is as much as I know, since it Just Worked for me |
| 08:05.46 | ndazza | qpee, but if there are too many folders you might try something like this: |
| 08:05.53 | qpee | ndazza: is this somehow possible from bash, because ... many |
| 08:06.26 | ysothoth | How do I prevent getting this error when starting thunderbird? Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server/Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 08:06.29 | ndazza | find <project folder> -name "*.php" -exec sed -ie 's/<?/<?php/' {} \; |
| 08:07.02 | ndazza | <project folder> should be '.' if you are in the base directory of your php files |
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| 08:10.11 | qpee | ndazza: so cool, thanks! |
| 08:10.20 | ndazza | qpee, no problem, i'm glad it worked :) |
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| 08:10.25 | deadcat | !folder |
| 08:10.25 | dpkg | folder is, like, a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 08:10.54 | ndazza | deadcat, right you are... |
| 08:11.16 | ndazza | brainwashed have i been |
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| 08:11.45 | deadcat | ndazza: what the f? |
| 08:12.09 | ndazza | regarding the folder thing |
| 08:12.18 | ndazza | nm |
| 08:12.33 | deadcat | ya. but whats up with the yoda speak? (= |
| 08:13.16 | ndazza | by the corporate entities pushing the 'folder' analogy |
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| 08:13.34 | technos | deadcat: He got brainwashed by George Lucas too. |
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| 08:14.07 | deadcat | damn lucas. i am gonna drive by his ranch this week and kick his ass |
| 08:14.08 | ndazza | along with half the planet :) |
| 08:14.37 | deadcat | lucas has a fetish when it comes to cutting off hands |
| 08:14.47 | technos | deadcat: I'm sure you'd have no trouble with Lucas.. The armed security, however.. |
| 08:14.55 | ndazza | and with ep III he extended that to legs, heads, ... |
| 08:15.43 | deadcat | technos: my friend has access. |
| 08:16.06 | deadcat | technos: and i know the area pretty well before he turned it into HIS estate.. bastard |
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| 08:16.55 | tristan_sbs2 | i was just at his ranch today, heh |
| 08:17.06 | technos | deadcat: I thought he bought that back in the 80's. |
| 08:17.12 | deadcat | tristan_sbs2: presidio right? |
| 08:17.21 | SerajewelKS | recently i upgraded my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11, and the clock now drifts forward about 10 minutes per hour. rtc no longer loads either -- is that related? |
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| 08:17.54 | streuner | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg set time |
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| 08:18.16 | tristan_sbs2 | deadcat: yeah |
| 08:18.26 | SerajewelKS | streuner, how can i set that up if i'm on dial-up? |
| 08:18.33 | streuner | SerajewelKS: what does BTS say? |
| 08:18.44 | streuner | SerajewelKS: whats the problem with dialup? |
| 08:18.47 | tristan_sbs2 | i was over at the curran theater, stopped by the ranch for fun :P |
| 08:18.59 | streuner | SerajewelKS: dialup is slower - thats all... |
| 08:19.03 | SerajewelKS | streuner, you need to be connected to use ntp servers |
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| 08:19.14 | streuner | SerajewelKS: true |
| 08:19.15 | SerajewelKS | which means syncing on reboot isn't an option. i sync it manually when it's off. |
| 08:19.29 | SerajewelKS | syncing it three times a day isn't a lot of fun though |
| 08:20.04 | streuner | Serjewel: three times a day? wow, is the batterie in low stat? |
| 08:20.21 | SerajewelKS | streuner, this happened after i went from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11 |
| 08:20.33 | SerajewelKS | and the rtc module no longer inserts |
| 08:20.39 | streuner | Serjewel: /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart |
| 08:20.56 | streuner | for the rtc part look at BTS |
| 08:20.56 | SerajewelKS | streuner, i know how to use ntpdate |
| 08:21.00 | streuner | ok |
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| 08:21.20 | SerajewelKS | i don't see anything on the bts |
| 08:21.28 | SerajewelKS | what package are you looking at |
| 08:22.20 | streuner | kernel-image-2. |
| 08:22.24 | streuner | kernel-image-2.x.x |
| 08:22.48 | SerajewelKS | i'm looking at kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 and i don't see it |
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| 08:23.04 | streuner | Whats the exact error you got? |
| 08:23.07 | LordKahless | hey i have a wierd question... how do i make a .deb file from source? |
| 08:23.32 | LordKahless | i have some source i'd like to make into a debian package |
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| 08:23.40 | SerajewelKS | FATAL: Error inserting rtc (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/rtc.ko): No such device |
| 08:24.08 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: trying aireplay i see? |
| 08:24.20 | SerajewelKS | what? |
| 08:24.24 | streuner | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg rtc |
| 08:24.27 | streuner | !rtc |
| 08:24.27 | dpkg | i heard rtc is Real Time Clock. This is necessary for SMP machines but quite useless for UP purposes (unless you read on how to use it). Disable RTC in the kernel if you get "clock skew detected" while building the kernel or anything which uses 'make'. |
| 08:24.42 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
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| 08:24.59 | SerajewelKS | any other reason for drift after upgrading the kernel? |
| 08:25.13 | streuner | should be the batterie then |
| 08:25.14 | vorsprung | i must say that the improvement i immediately like in sarge is I've accidentally installed some new X11 font thing and firefox now looks damn sexy. Or it might be the new version of firefox |
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| 08:25.28 | SerajewelKS | this mobo is less than a year old |
| 08:25.34 | streuner | SerajewelKS: oh |
| 08:25.35 | xtension | !thank you GNU linux open source |
| 08:26.05 | SerajewelKS | which module provides acpi support? |
| 08:26.12 | SerajewelKS | and would that have anything to do with it? |
| 08:26.35 | streuner | so you are using a laptop? |
| 08:26.41 | SerajewelKS | no |
| 08:26.44 | streuner | !acpi |
| 08:26.44 | dpkg | i heard acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 08:26.45 | xtension | I see droids marching the streets to their new jobs |
| 08:27.06 | SerajewelKS | i'm using a desktop |
| 08:27.22 | xtension | debian GNU linux droids |
| 08:27.34 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 08:27.50 | SerajewelKS | maybe i'll shut it down while i'm at work tomorrow, after syncing, and see if it's drifted when i get back |
| 08:28.03 | SerajewelKS | if it doesn't, then it's the kernel's fault |
| 08:28.30 | sirv | I need to modify my initrd since the one shipping with 2.6 has problems with my current setup.. is there any debian way to do something like that or should I just mount and edit it? |
| 08:28.56 | Noid | vorsprung: and what did you install? |
| 08:29.04 | SerajewelKS | sirv, i'd fix your setup |
| 08:29.26 | streuner | SerajewelKS: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 08:29.29 | SerajewelKS | sirv, and man initrd |
| 08:29.41 | SerajewelKS | streuner, Linux version 2.6.11-1-686 (dilinger@mouth) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-5)) #1 Fri May 20 07:34:54 UTC 2005 |
| 08:30.00 | sirv | SerajewelKS: problem is I'm going from 2.4->2.6 and booting from a raid1.. in 2.6 the drivs have different names (hdc instead of hdg).. |
| 08:30.04 | SerajewelKS | sirv, i mean 'man mkinitrd' |
| 08:30.35 | Morti | Is there any way to ping with a timeout of milliseconds rather than seconds? |
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| 08:31.06 | SerajewelKS | Morti, you could write your own version of `ping`... |
| 08:31.37 | SerajewelKS | sirv, why would the initrd care |
| 08:31.54 | SerajewelKS | change the bootloader config... |
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| 08:33.24 | sirv | SerajewelKS: becuase the initrd mounts the raid1? |
| 08:33.48 | sirv | if it can't mount the raid1, it panics.. if it can't load the raid it can't mount it.. |
| 08:33.51 | sirv | see the problem? |
| 08:34.04 | SerajewelKS | sirv, iirc, the initrd is a collection of files -- it doesn't "do" anything |
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| 08:34.20 | SerajewelKS | how exactly does the initrd mount the raid1 |
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| 08:34.43 | Coke | it doesn't |
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| 08:35.10 | Coke | Initial Root Disk |
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| 08:35.14 | sirv | it sure does... |
| 08:35.18 | Coke | sirv: no it does not. |
| 08:35.28 | sirv | Coke: you are wrong.. |
| 08:35.30 | SerajewelKS | initial ram disk, Coke |
| 08:35.33 | Coke | sirv: no |
| 08:35.57 | SerajewelKS | the initrd is like any other hard disk image |
| 08:35.58 | Coke | !dpkg initrd |
| 08:35.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 08:36.12 | sirv | Coke: then could you please tell me what this line does: mdadm -A /dev/md1 -R -u 400abd3a:64eb1329:ef6310ab:605007a6 /dev/hde3 /dev/hdg3 |
| 08:36.35 | jolan | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 dosnt override XF86Config-4 even after having run md5sum |
| 08:36.42 | SerajewelKS | sirv, that doesn't look like it has anything to do with initrd |
| 08:37.16 | sirv | SerajewelKS: you mean apart from the fact that the initrd executes that command? |
| 08:37.22 | Coke | sirv: I have no idea, but the initrd image is just like any other disk device, it does not mount anything. the init script does all that stuff, including mounting the initrd. |
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| 08:37.35 | SerajewelKS | sirv, what Coke said |
| 08:37.48 | streuner | !listkeys md5 |
| 08:37.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'md5' by key (6): xmd5sum ;; md5sum ;; x md5 ;; x md5sum ;; md5 ;; xmd5. |
| 08:37.55 | vbo | Hi. What's the PATH used when starting daemons (specifically, crond) at startup? |
| 08:37.56 | streuner | !x md5 |
| 08:37.56 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 08:38.07 | sirv | Coke: what are you talking about? |
| 08:38.40 | sirv | when you boot initrd gets loaded as a ramdisk, scripts are beeing run from the initrd and it mounts the real root and continues the boot |
| 08:38.41 | Coke | sirv: you are talking about the initrd image used as the first root fs by the kernel on boot? |
| 08:39.01 | jolan | dpkg: thats what i did. no luck |
| 08:39.04 | sirv | Coke: yes |
| 08:39.08 | Coke | sirv: yes, scripts in the initrd are executed by the _init_ process |
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| 08:39.30 | Coke | sirv: but initrd is just a filesystem. just like my /dev/hda does not boot nor mount anything, niether does initrd. |
| 08:39.43 | sirv | Coke: ffs are you for real? |
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| 08:40.14 | Coke | I just jumped in when I saw SerajewelKS' comment, I must admit I didn't bother looking at the history. |
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| 08:40.19 | aminorex | anybody had any luck getting sarge to run in vmware5 with vmware's nat service on the host? |
| 08:40.27 | streuner | joland: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 08:40.42 | Coke | sirv: just disregard my comments. |
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| 08:41.43 | Coke | sirv: however, your initrd image should contain the drivers you need to mount any other devices, just make sure of that. |
| 08:41.46 | geemark | what is that command for setting up "alternatives", like the default www-browser? |
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| 08:41.51 | keith | Whatis the name for testing now that Sarge has gone stable |
| 08:41.54 | Coke | geemark: update-alternatives |
| 08:41.57 | streuner | update-alternatives |
| 08:42.16 | streuner | !etch |
| 08:42.16 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
| 08:42.27 | CruX | hi, how can i mount DVD with one 4 GB file ? when i mount that i see in dmesg : |
| 08:42.27 | CruX | ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 |
| 08:42.27 | CruX | ISOFS: changing to secondary root |
| 08:42.27 | CruX | Warning: defective CD-ROM. Enabling "cruft" mount option. |
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| 08:42.39 | Coke | geemark: also apt-get install galternatives for a GUI |
| 08:42.40 | jolan | streuner: 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 08:42.42 | CruX | and file on monted dvd have 16 MB |
| 08:42.50 | sirv | well you do have a point that I should have been clearer about initrd, ie refering to initrd as it mounts the system might not be the best ;) |
| 08:42.55 | streuner | jolan: how did you install X? |
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| 08:43.23 | vbo | Ok so this may be considered repeating, but I'm gonna ask again given the amount of traffic in here - What is the PATH used when starting daemons at startup? |
| 08:43.29 | Whiteninja | need help to get xfld-desktop... thought.. apt-get -t testing install xfld-desktop would help (but dependencies are shown to an elder version of xfce4 (4.05... but 4.2x is needed)... any suggestions? |
| 08:43.38 | streuner | jolan: ls -ld /etc/X11 |
| 08:43.44 | jolan | with sarge net install |
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| 08:43.49 | gianiaz | hi, I'm tryng to use gdesklets-starterbar, installed with apt-get install gdesklets and gdesklets-data |
| 08:43.52 | geemark | Coke: thanks |
| 08:44.04 | gianiaz | but the starterbar output an error message |
| 08:44.12 | Coke | geemark: I don't know if /usr/sbin is in your users path by default, but giving full path to /usr/sbin/update-alternatives will also work. |
| 08:44.14 | streuner | jolan: /msg dpkg setup x |
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| 08:44.35 | Coke | vbo: whatever PATH the user they start up as have. |
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| 08:45.22 | sirv | vbo: do you mean the startup scripts or the binaries? |
| 08:45.38 | Coke | vbo: you did mean the environment variable PATH and not what working directory? |
| 08:45.48 | Coke | vbo: the environment is set by the user, anyway. |
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| 08:49.11 | _NiNJA_ | hello all |
| 08:49.22 | vbo | sirv: the binaries |
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| 08:50.27 | waTR | has anyone figured out how to import outlook inbox into Evolution or Kmail? |
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| 08:50.44 | simonrvn | there's an util to do that. |
| 08:51.01 | jm_ | wtr;there are tools that can convert its file into mbox |
| 08:51.05 | jm_ | waTR ^^^^^ |
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| 08:52.40 | waTR | jm_: ahh |
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| 08:52.54 | ^Duffy^ | when trying to remove the exim4-daemon-light package, it also wants to remove mysql-server, how can I stop it from doing that? |
| 08:53.01 | waTR | jm_: are these tools easy to find on google? |
| 08:53.05 | simonrvn | even eudora uses an mbox-style file. it's text but no From: stuff like mbox, but still easily legible with a pager or text editor |
| 08:53.19 | simonrvn | waTR: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:53.32 | waTR | yes but search for what |
| 08:53.37 | simonrvn | ^Duffy^: i doubt they're related |
| 08:53.50 | simonrvn | give it some thought, you'll find it |
| 08:53.55 | ^Duffy^ | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 08:53.55 | ^Duffy^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.04 | jm_ | waTR: apt-cache search outlook ; you can find them on freshmeat |
| 08:54.06 | ^Duffy^ | ;/ |
| 08:54.14 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, they might be, -server might need an MTA |
| 08:54.19 | as13 | anybody run via epia motherboard? |
| 08:54.24 | simonrvn | there's one in debian too |
| 08:54.49 | ^Duffy^ | simonrvn: bleh .. |
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| 08:55.33 | simonrvn | don't shoot the messenger... don't remove the mta... install another one if you don't want exim |
| 08:55.38 | GentelMan1 | Hello every Body |
| 08:55.43 | waTR | jm_: thanks |
| 08:55.57 | GentelMan1 | I am new In Linux |
| 08:56.01 | tarzeau | dpkg nickometer ^Duffy^ |
| 08:56.02 | dpkg | '^Duffy^' is 26.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 08:56.06 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 08:56.07 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 08:56.19 | GentelMan1 | And i want to some Experience |
| 08:56.21 | tarzeau | !tell as13 about poll |
| 08:56.23 | Revelation | rofl |
| 08:56.23 | Revelation | ;P |
| 08:56.26 | Revelation | dpkg nickometer tarzeau |
| 08:56.31 | Revelation | :\ |
| 08:56.32 | Revelation | ;p |
| 08:56.41 | dondelelcaro | Revelation: lay off the enter key please. |
| 08:56.45 | GentelMan1 | Yes I have Juste Installed Ubuntu Based on Debian |
| 08:56.46 | paulswm | !irritate tarzeau |
| 08:56.48 | dpkg | tarzeau: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh mouse lol |
| 08:56.51 | tarzeau | !tell GentelMan1 about ask |
| 08:56.53 | xtension | !enter |
| 08:56.56 | tarzeau | !tell GentelMan1 about debian based |
| 08:56.57 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help. |
| 08:57.03 | SerajewelKS | streuner, my clock has already drifted +1 minute |
| 08:57.03 | tarzeau | !tell GentelMan1 about ubunto |
| 08:57.09 | GentelMan1 | And I love This Distribution |
| 08:57.11 | tarzeau | dpkg topicbadger GentelMan1 |
| 08:57.15 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that GentelMan1 didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 08:57.25 | GentelMan1 | I tryed Mandrake And Suse |
| 08:57.30 | tarzeau | !tryed |
| 08:57.30 | dpkg | methinks tryed is not English. I think you meant to say 'tried'. "tryed" _is_ English, just middle / old English. |
| 08:57.33 | paulswm | GentelMan1: you are in the wrong channel, you need #ubuntu |
| 08:57.39 | Revelation | dpkg nickometer Revelation |
| 08:57.44 | Revelation | (; |
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| 08:57.52 | GentelMan1 | But there are not Like Debian It is a very Good |
| 08:57.59 | nick01 | I wanna install ncurses but apt sais it's not there :( |
| 08:58.11 | simonrvn | GentelMan1: #ubuntu -> |
| 08:58.12 | tarzeau | GentelMan1: just type /part honey |
| 08:58.40 | nick01 | how do I install ncurses ? |
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| 08:58.46 | GentelMan1 | Ubuntu is Like Debian I Think |
| 08:58.49 | dondelelcaro | nick01: apt-get install libncurses5 |
| 08:58.50 | simonrvn | with a sledge hammer |
| 08:58.54 | tarzeau | GentelMan1: BULLSHIT |
| 08:59.07 | nick01 | libncurses5 is already the newest version. |
| 08:59.09 | simonrvn | GentelMan1: you may think so, but you're wrong |
| 08:59.13 | dondelelcaro | GentelMan1: that's great. Ubuntu has nothing whatsoever to do with us. |
| 08:59.21 | GentelMan1 | It you alose apt-get and dpkg and other commande propre of debiant |
| 08:59.21 | nick01 | dondelelcaro, but menuconfig sais it can't find ncurses |
| 08:59.24 | paulswm | GentelMan1: ubuntu is *not* debian, please /part and /join #ubuntu |
| 08:59.29 | dondelelcaro | nick01: then you've got it installed. You're probably asking about libncurses5-dev, though. |
| 08:59.38 | tarzeau | paulswm: that's your friend, isn't it? |
| 08:59.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 08:59.49 | as13 | i mean not have via epia, but running debian on it, especialy integrated unichrome video driver with opengl. but if nobody seen this board here asking about its drivers is useless |
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| 08:59.54 | simonrvn | !ma |
| 08:59.54 | dpkg | ma is, like, milliampere(s). Morocco |
| 09:00.01 | paulswm | tarzeau: Huh? I have no idea who it is |
| 09:00.37 | tarzeau | paulswm: j/k |
| 09:00.37 | nick01 | dondelelcaro, no- menuconfig is an app - make menuconfig- it needs it to run |
| 09:00.37 | dondelelcaro | nick01: in the future, just ask the real question. you'll get help faster |
| 09:00.37 | paulswm | !aolify tarzeau |
| 09:00.37 | paulswm | tarzeau: j/k |
| 09:00.49 | dondelelcaro | nick01: uh, no, menuconfig is a target to a makefile, which requires libncurses5-dev to build itself. |
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| 09:01.01 | deadcat | you guys sure showed that ubuntu user (= |
| 09:01.05 | nick01 | hmm- k |
| 09:01.08 | nick01 | let's see |
| 09:01.37 | dondelelcaro | yes, this would only be the 5,000 time I've answered that particular question |
| 09:01.53 | nick01 | lol |
| 09:01.53 | technos | ubUN7|_| is 3Lit3. |
| 09:02.04 | deadcat | technos: shutup |
| 09:02.05 | nick01 | maybe it should have been included by default then :P |
| 09:02.23 | _NiNJA_ | hmm ... anyone know how to troubleshoot X ? ... have upgraded from debian 3.0 to 3.1 and X crashes on startup and crashes the whole system .. have to restart manually to fix ... have a tntriva2 vid card |
| 09:02.25 | dondelelcaro | nick01: it's not required for most systems, so no, it really shouldn't. |
| 09:02.26 | deadcat | nick01: why? |
| 09:02.35 | nick01 | it worked now |
| 09:02.52 | nick01 | deadcat, for people like me wanting to compile a custom kernel |
| 09:03.13 | deadcat | nick01: and for people who dont? thats waste of packages. |
| 09:03.21 | deadcat | nick01: why you need to compile your own kernel? |
| 09:03.30 | technos | Speaking of custom kernels.. Time to snag the 2.6.11 source tree and see what needs to be broken for it to run on this 734.. |
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| 09:03.41 | nick01 | to remove junk optimize it and makeit faster |
| 09:03.50 | Guerin | !tell _NiNJA_ about set up x |
| 09:03.52 | deadcat | nick01: you dont know the package name but you want to compile a goddamn kernel? |
| 09:04.00 | nick01 | lol |
| 09:04.03 | deadcat | nick01: let me know when you got it faster. |
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| 09:04.11 | nick01 | I compiled kernels many times before :) |
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| 09:04.21 | simonrvn | sure. |
| 09:04.27 | Guerin | nick01: that's why you thought menuconfig was a program |
| 09:04.34 | deadcat | nick01: to add the CONFIG_1337=y option right? |
| 09:04.34 | nick01 | whatever |
| 09:04.39 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 09:04.39 | dpkg | i heard whatever is the last word of the loser of an argument |
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| 09:04.43 | Guerin | :) |
| 09:04.45 | nick01 | haha |
| 09:04.51 | streuner | hehe |
| 09:05.06 | streuner | get more RAM |
| 09:05.10 | jethro | !greeting |
| 09:05.12 | duck | I installed proftpd and created a virtual user. I can login with that user, but when I do "put somefile", I get 553-Can't open that file: Permission denied. |
| 09:05.16 | nick01 | I just want a new kernel not get in an argument |
| 09:05.23 | streuner | its the easy methode to help making your system faster... |
| 09:05.43 | simonrvn | the CONFIG_L33T that is |
| 09:05.49 | deadcat | duck: 553-cant is your phone # or something? |
| 09:06.00 | deadcat | simonrvn: my bad. i a vague on that. (= |
| 09:06.20 | simonrvn | T="Congratulactions" from <micrlo1@netscape.net> |
| 09:06.30 | simonrvn | yeah, spammers who can't spell ;p |
| 09:06.37 | duck | deadcat, not that I know of. |
| 09:06.51 | Guerin | simonrvn: i can beat that |
| 09:06.53 | simonrvn | /nick deadduck |
| 09:06.55 | deadcat | duck: that does look like a phone# format though (= |
| 09:07.08 | deadcat | simonrvn: jst dont mis-spell duck with dick (= |
| 09:07.16 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:07.23 | _NiNJA_ | thanks guerin .. will try putting back my XF86Config file that worked in woody and do a reconfig with dpkg ... just found the /var/log/XFreee86.0.log file with some bits in peices in it I will look at too |
| 09:07.31 | Guerin | simonrvn: From: =?Windows-1255?B?5ODlIO7p4OU=?=@feayn.org \n Subject: מזון ו××‘×™×–×¨×™× ×œ×‘×¢×œ×™ ×—×™×™× |
| 09:07.39 | deadcat | simonrvn: then we have a pussy and a dick in the channel |
| 09:07.41 | simonrvn | ooh, in hebrew |
| 09:07.41 | Guerin | simonrvn: note that feayn.org is MY domain :) |
| 09:07.49 | deadduck | deadcat, Now, do you know what's wrong? |
| 09:07.49 | simonrvn | yeh. joe-jobbing |
| 09:07.57 | kempo | http://divelsfoot.com/gallery/data/504/medium/98helicopter_fuck.jpg |
| 09:08.00 | kempo | ROFL |
| 09:08.09 | deadcat | Dustin_: no i dont use ftp. sorry. |
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| 09:09.08 | sussudio | !poutine |
| 09:09.08 | dpkg | http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg |
| 09:09.13 | streuner | kempo: dont paste that here again, please. |
| 09:09.33 | kempo | ok streuner |
| 09:09.38 | simonrvn | joe-jobbing: the mark of an especially lazy, stupid, and luser spammer |
| 09:10.03 | jm_ | Guerin: shouldn't your server reject it, or is that from the logfile? |
| 09:10.59 | Guerin | jm_: i haven't set it up to reject, no. |
| 09:11.05 | Guerin | jm_: I don't get enough spam. |
| 09:11.09 | jm_ | Guerin: ahh |
| 09:11.32 | Omahn | Hi all. I'm trying to install Scribus on my Sarge install. I've performed an apt-get install scribus, along with the recommended gsfonts-x11 and yet i'm getting a 'Fatal Error: There are no Postscript-Fonts on your System', what am I missing?.. Do I need to update my font cache or something? |
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| 09:12.30 | gianiaz | Omahn: try simply restarting X |
| 09:12.37 | Omahn | gianiaz: Tried that |
| 09:12.51 | Omahn | Along with deforma-reconfigure |
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| 09:13.06 | simonrvn | uh dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:13.09 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 09:13.13 | Omahn | I've had Scribus running on Sarge before without issue.. seems very odd. |
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| 09:13.20 | d03boy | gosh damn, now that I upgraded to sarge (from testing) ... everything starts to break, how convenient |
| 09:13.30 | simonrvn | d03boy: very typical |
| 09:13.43 | simonrvn | testing right after release is very borked |
| 09:13.51 | jm_ | Omahn: is type1 module loaded? is the dir in your font path? |
| 09:14.00 | d03boy | im on stable though |
| 09:14.09 | simonrvn | um |
| 09:14.15 | Omahn | jm_: ooh, no it isn't.. |
| 09:15.16 | Logi | hmm.... I'm trying to install Sarge on my ancient little laptop from floppies |
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| 09:15.36 | Omahn | jm_: That's it, working now. Thanks for your help. |
| 09:15.37 | Logi | and I just get "SYSLINUX 2.11 2004-08-16 Boot failed" after about 5 seconds |
| 09:15.41 | jm_ | Omahn: no worries |
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| 09:16.39 | Logi | is there any reason that a laptop from 97 with, I think, a celeron processor shoudl do that? |
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| 09:16.56 | Logi | bad media? |
| 09:16.57 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 09:17.13 | philuk86 | anyone using the nvidia drivers on debian stable since upgrading? |
| 09:17.21 | xtension | !poll |
| 09:17.21 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 09:17.42 | deadcat | dont have x nor y. i do have xxx |
| 09:18.07 | philuk86 | its not a poll, i want to know how you got it to work |
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| 09:18.18 | protocolX | How can I change the X-Login manager in debian? |
| 09:18.21 | protocolX | which configuration file I got to change? |
| 09:18.23 | simonrvn | it's a stage, not a poll |
| 09:18.32 | Guerin | protocolX: just install another one |
| 09:18.35 | _NiNJA_ | philuk86: is your X crashing when trying to run it after upgrading to 3.1 ? |
| 09:18.46 | Logi | protocolX: that would be xdm, kdm or gdm that you're talking about? |
| 09:18.54 | protocolX | ya |
| 09:19.22 | protocolX | I am installing : SLiM - Simple Login Manager |
| 09:19.26 | philuk86 | _NiNJA_: no but the nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel packages are broken in stable and even with kernel-headers, kernel-source installed i still cant manually compile the nvidia kernel module interface. |
| 09:19.42 | _NiNJA_ | ah |
| 09:19.42 | xtension | protocolX if it s not too difficult ... |
| 09:19.45 | Guerin | protocolX: is it in debian? |
| 09:19.53 | protocolX | ya |
| 09:20.11 | simonrvn | @ee |
| 09:20.12 | ravenbird | hmm... ee is for gEEks |
| 09:20.19 | sussudio | http://www.peteredge.orcon.net.nz/casepics.htm |
| 09:20.20 | sussudio | ... |
| 09:20.28 | xtension | philuk86 broken in stable ?? |
| 09:20.29 | Guerin | protocolX: then you should be asked which you want to use |
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| 09:20.31 | jm_ | is that the asefancasefan site? |
| 09:20.35 | jm_ | case even |
| 09:20.40 | mortalman | Anyone know a good way to make a partial mirror of debian?? e.g. Only sarge on i386 |
| 09:20.43 | protocolX | I just need to know which conf file I have to change for using the preferred login manager. |
| 09:20.44 | xtension | !moron philuk86 |
| 09:20.45 | dpkg | philuk86: You are moron #24 |
| 09:20.46 | simonrvn | @ee is also Estonia |
| 09:20.46 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 09:20.52 | simonrvn | !ee is also Estonia |
| 09:20.52 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
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| 09:21.12 | Guerin | protocolX: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 09:21.13 | jm_ | protocolX: "/msg dpkg nodm" for a hint |
| 09:21.18 | philuk86 | apt-get install nvidia-glx, The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:21.18 | philuk86 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.45 | jm_ | I have installed nvidia drivers without any problems, but I am not using kernel-images, nor am I using nvidia-foo packages |
| 09:21.56 | simonrvn | that means you have to build the nvidia-kernel package from the nvidia "source" |
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| 09:22.15 | protocolX | Guerin: That's the file I was looking for, Thanks. |
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| 09:22.27 | xtension | philuk86 go to nvidia and get their installer |
| 09:22.47 | simonrvn | philuk86: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 09:23.08 | simonrvn | forget about the fricking web site |
| 09:23.22 | philuk86 | xtension: i have done, but it wont build, after i accept the licence and it asks if i want to compile my own kernel inrterface the installer fails and tells me to check i have headers and source installed. |
| 09:23.25 | simonrvn | just have contrib non-free in addition to main in sources.list |
| 09:23.41 | paulswm | philuk86: listen to simonrvn, not xtension |
| 09:23.46 | simonrvn | philuk86: hel-lo |
| 09:24.05 | paulswm | Kind of ironic, xtension using '!moron' |
| 09:24.10 | xtension | philuk86 install the kernel-headers and put the installer in /usr/src/ |
| 09:24.10 | _NiNJA_ | Guerin: in the new X with 3.1 .. after you do the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... where is the config file stored? ... I cant see it in /etc/X11 ... is there a new dir to store it? |
| 09:24.24 | simonrvn | @moron xtension |
| 09:24.24 | ravenbird | xtension: You are moron #22 |
| 09:24.33 | Guerin | _NiNJA_: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 09:24.34 | xtension | paulswm yeah i learned from you |
| 09:24.40 | deadduck | @moron xtension |
| 09:24.41 | ravenbird | xtension: You are moron #61 |
| 09:24.45 | Guerin | _NiNJA_: if it's not there, that would explain your problems |
| 09:24.53 | xtension | !fuck ravenbird |
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| 09:24.57 | jethro | !moron xtension |
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| 09:24.57 | dpkg | xtension: You are moron #45 |
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| 09:25.18 | simonrvn | !say @fuck you |
| 09:25.19 | dpkg | @fuck you |
| 09:25.28 | technos | Must be damn daft.. He's moron #22, #45, *and #61. |
| 09:25.31 | jethro | xtension: instead of saying bullshit answers you'd better not talk at all. |
| 09:25.37 | simonrvn | very daft |
| 09:25.45 | ircdevil | charles bronson for president! "If you fancy a career in politics it pays to look rugged and mature, new esearch suggests - voters will think you are competent" -> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7502 |
| 09:26.02 | philuk86 | simonrvn: thats a funky 1 liner |
| 09:26.09 | _NiNJA_ | Guerin: yeah its not updating it etc ... its an old version and after the dpkg reconfig it doesnt overwrite it / the timestamp is the same etc .... any ideas ? ... may rm the file before running dpkg configure? ... im running dpkg reconfig as root .. the dir is writable etc etc |
| 09:26.11 | Ledd | hello |
| 09:26.11 | simonrvn | they must've used some really dumb test subjects... |
| 09:26.12 | deadduck | I installed proftpd and created a virtual user. I can login with that user, but when I do "put somefile", I get 553-Can't open that file: Permission denied. |
| 09:26.14 | xtension | jethro instead of flaming you might try to do a better job than me |
| 09:26.34 | jim | and it helps to be in the hit-man movie "the mechanic" where you teach a kid how to be a hit man... |
| 09:26.53 | jethro | xtension: well, take this for a basic principle, "if you don't know, you'd better stfu, than give wrong answers". meditate on this |
| 09:27.06 | xtension | jethro i agree |
| 09:27.09 | vorsprung | xtension, er simonrvn answered the question quite adequately.... |
| 09:27.15 | Ledd | hello, can anyone help? |
| 09:27.17 | jethro | xtension: if you do, now behave |
| 09:27.25 | simonrvn | philuk86: quite. someone here made that thing. i only used part of it since i had already done some of it manually instead of using the one-liner |
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| 09:27.38 | vorsprung | Ledd, maybe if your question is about perl. Otherwise someone else will... |
| 09:27.44 | gromf | hello everybody |
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| 09:28.15 | brosio | anyone have cpuscaling with powernowd ? |
| 09:28.16 | jim | Ledd, /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 09:28.26 | simonrvn | +l 835 at this time of day? yikes... |
| 09:28.28 | Fleck | ;p |
| 09:28.51 | gromf | I have a problem with intel 2200bg and leap |
| 09:28.54 | deadcat | brosio: yes. just install it, and forget it (= |
| 09:28.54 | technos | 835? We need a netsplit to shake things loose. |
| 09:29.10 | jethro | gromf: #wireless or #ipw2100 |
| 09:29.13 | simonrvn | it's a bit less than 835 nicks |
| 09:29.17 | gromf | jethro: thanks |
| 09:29.21 | jethro | gromf: and please, change the PTR for your IP :/ |
| 09:29.22 | simonrvn | that 835 is just the limit |
| 09:29.32 | deadcat | gromf: whats not working? |
| 09:30.00 | brosio | deadcat, i get an error |
| 09:30.00 | technos | Yeah, only really at 819 |
| 09:30.04 | gromf | deadcat: I can't authenricate with xsupplicant |
| 09:30.06 | deadcat | nevermind. i am off to sleep. |
| 09:30.09 | jim | Ledd: you haven't -asked- anything |
| 09:30.18 | simonrvn | wow, 2 non-idiotic uses of 'lose' and 'loose' |
| 09:30.26 | jethro | gromf: 802.1x / WPA support is not fully functionnal in ipw |
| 09:30.46 | Ledd | can i use the installation cd to boot to my hd? i got problem after upgrading my kernel.. |
| 09:30.50 | brosio | deadcat, |
| 09:30.51 | brosio | powernowd |
| 09:30.51 | brosio | powernowd: PowerNow Daemon v0.96, (c) 2003-2005 John Clemens |
| 09:30.51 | brosio | powernowd: Found 1 cpu: -- 1 thread (or core) per physical cpu |
| 09:30.51 | brosio | Error writing file governor: Invalid argument |
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| 09:30.58 | gromf | jethro: ok... |
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| 09:31.00 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:31.10 | jim | brosio: rafb.net/paste |
| 09:31.10 | mortalman | nice |
| 09:31.17 | simonrvn | @tell brosio -about paste |
| 09:31.17 | jethro | gromf: you can use ndiswrapper as an alternative |
| 09:31.19 | brosio | sorry |
| 09:31.33 | jethro | gromf: but really, folks in #wireless and #ipw2100 will know better. |
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| 09:31.40 | sussudio | ~x en it it's a bad brosio! no pot pie for you! |
| 09:31.52 | IgorPio | como liberar todas as portas em iptables ?????????? |
| 09:31.53 | brosio | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Mul74H48.html |
| 09:31.56 | jethro | !it |
| 09:31.56 | dpkg | well, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 09:32.03 | simonrvn | @tell IgorPio -about ep |
| 09:32.12 | brosio | i paste here |
| 09:32.21 | sussudio | nein! |
| 09:32.25 | jethro | brosio: no you don't |
| 09:32.25 | IgorPio | sime_, |
| 09:32.27 | xtension | jethro spanish |
| 09:32.40 | IgorPio | simonrvn, -about ep ? |
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| 09:32.43 | jethro | xtension: *plonked* |
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| 09:32.47 | gromf | jethro: ok.. I'll see that |
| 09:32.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | i think he means "there" |
| 09:33.31 | jim | brosio: before you do stuff like that, it would be nice if you tried to find out the flooding rules if you didn't know them before... I mean, I don't necessarily care that much, but hey, the bot might kick you again if you flood again... |
| 09:33.39 | brosio | so anyone could help ? |
| 09:34.07 | m4lu7 | yeah. |
| 09:34.08 | xtension | brosio there is a spanish channel were you can talk spanish |
| 09:34.09 | m4lu7 | probably |
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| 09:34.31 | snail | i'm on sarge, how do I make firefox understand torrents? is there a package I can install? |
| 09:34.34 | brosio | anyone have read here ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Mul74H48.html |
| 09:35.09 | jim | snail: find out from the torrent folks if they have a plugin |
| 09:35.25 | xtension | ok ppl i m making no more sense |
| 09:35.26 | _NiNJA_ | hmm ... any ideas on why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... wouldnt write the config to /etc/X11 dir when finished ? |
| 09:35.31 | xtension | see ya :) |
| 09:35.32 | jim | then find out what dir to put the plugin (or link to it) |
| 09:35.46 | jm_ | should be simple if it supports mime/types, but I don't think you can do that in firefox (unlike mozilla for example) |
| 09:35.58 | snail | brosio: have you checked the list in the message? |
| 09:36.25 | brosio | snail, yes all is ok |
| 09:36.29 | brosio | sys is mout |
| 09:36.32 | brosio | i have 2.6.11 |
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| 09:36.46 | jim | _NiNJA_: nope, you tell us why :) |
| 09:37.00 | brosio | powernow_k8 12036 0 freq_table 4484 1 powernow_k8 processor 22708 1 powernow_k8 |
| 09:37.07 | brosio | all modules are loaded |
| 09:37.08 | snail | jim: where are the torrest people? |
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| 09:37.20 | jim | france? |
| 09:37.21 | snail | brosio: are there any errors in dmesg? |
| 09:37.24 | jim | belgium? |
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| 09:37.34 | troy | hey |
| 09:37.39 | jim | Taos, New Mexico? |
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| 09:37.53 | _NiNJA_ | hmm .. think its writing to config to /root .. |
| 09:37.56 | troy | i know that this sounds stupid, but i want an old debian repository... for 10 days |
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| 09:38.15 | jethro | troy: snapshots.debian.net |
| 09:38.18 | brosio | http://rafb.net/paste/results/ufpX7778.html |
| 09:38.21 | brosio | see here snail |
| 09:38.23 | jim | _NiNJA_: you might check the file's date stamp |
| 09:38.26 | brosio | all is ok |
| 09:38.27 | troy | jethro, thanks |
| 09:38.37 | jethro | troy: snapshot.debian actaully |
| 09:38.44 | jethro | troy: no s on slashdot |
| 09:38.54 | troy | og |
| 09:38.55 | jim | if it was stamped when you last tried to write, then it could be it :) |
| 09:38.56 | troy | ok :) |
| 09:39.14 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.27 | _NiNJA_ | jim: nah ... its not writing it to /root either .. just a backup file i created |
| 09:39.48 | jim | it's handy checking time stamps :) |
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| 09:40.27 | snail | brosio: surely there's more than that in dmesg? check all of dmesg for errors. |
| 09:40.28 | _NiNJA_ | its wierd .. the dpkg-reconfigure runs ok .. and i go through all the questions .. and then it seems not to write the config ... |
| 09:40.39 | brosio | cpufreq-userspace |
| 09:40.39 | jim | soo... any thoughts on why the script isn't writing the config file? |
| 09:40.41 | brosio | fuck |
| 09:40.46 | brosio | i miss that module!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:40.46 | troy | jethro, my problem is that the gnome from the latest repository is f'ed up and it will be repaired in a few days |
| 09:40.46 | brosio | :D |
| 09:40.54 | liable | !tell _NiNJA_ about xmd5sum |
| 09:40.56 | troy | i can't wait so long |
| 09:41.08 | troy | a few days without my desktop, what's that... |
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| 09:41.45 | jethro | troy: find an alternative and not f'ed up de/wm :) |
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| 09:42.04 | snail | jim: the package bittorrent-gui does what I want |
| 09:42.10 | paulswm | troy: you are using sid, right? |
| 09:42.14 | _NiNJA_ | thanks liable: that may be it .. |
| 09:42.20 | troy | paulswm, right :) |
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| 09:42.40 | jim | troy: so your choices are... backpaddle... remove gnome and use kde... remove gnome and kde and use fvwm2... remove gnome, kde, fvwm2 and X and use ctrl-alt-F1... |
| 09:42.59 | jim | and a few other combinations I havent' thought of :) |
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| 09:43.22 | simonrvn | openbox3 with the fugly hashed x background ;p |
| 09:43.24 | troy | jim, i have another choice... buying a gun and shoot you :P |
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| 09:43.53 | paulswm | troy: That's what happens with unstable. If you can't live without your system working, you shouldn't be using an unstable distro, of course. |
| 09:44.01 | troy | i will not stay without a desktop environment |
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| 09:44.15 | jim | troy: the thing you're not understanding is that people take time to do things, and you're failing to allow that time... and now you're in your situation, a hole dug by you that you fell into... |
| 09:44.26 | mikaEL` | I just installed my Debian 3.0r5 and I'm havinf problems with XFree86... it seems it does't support my nVidia GeForce4 MX(the nv driver is only for GeForce,Geforce2 and 3) |
| 09:44.28 | troy | paulswm, my gnome was stable enough... |
| 09:44.32 | Guerin | troy: just fucking use fluxbox and wait unti sid gets its shit back together |
| 09:44.37 | _NiNJA_ | liable: what if there is no /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum file ? ... is that meant to be installed with the base xfree86 package? |
| 09:44.40 | jethro | mikaEL`: /msg dpkg d-i. you no longer want 3.0 |
| 09:44.50 | jim | troy: you're using -sid-?! |
| 09:44.51 | troy | Guerin, i'm not a masochist :) |
| 09:44.51 | Guerin | troy: that's because Sid has been on the go-slow for 6 months pending release |
| 09:45.01 | Guerin | troy: so why the fuck are you using sid then? |
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| 09:45.08 | paulswm | troy: it's your own fault for using unstable. |
| 09:45.10 | _NiNJA_ | oh .. the instructions are creating that file from an existing xf86config |
| 09:45.13 | jethro | !start a wm war |
| 09:45.14 | dpkg | emacs bites! |
| 09:45.23 | simonrvn | emacs, wm? |
| 09:45.23 | snail | Attended a workshop with Martin Michlmayr yersterday, he's great! |
| 09:45.26 | jethro | emacs? a wm? dpkg you're on crack |
| 09:45.31 | jethro | simonrvn: :) |
| 09:45.31 | troy | i'm using unstable because i like to have the latest eyecandy programs :P |
| 09:46.03 | jethro | troy: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:46.03 | Guerin | troy: well, this is what you get. Enjoy. |
| 09:46.03 | jethro | troy: also /msg dpkg break |
| 09:46.03 | simonrvn | woops |
| 09:46.04 | paulswm | Woohoo |
| 09:46.04 | pureone | :| |
| 09:46.04 | jim | troy: if you're using sid, then determine the problem, find where it is in the source code, determine a fix, fix it, and report the fix |
| 09:46.04 | pureone | boom net split |
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| 09:46.09 | troy | hey guys, calm down :) |
| 09:46.09 | paulswm | Well there go the sid users, haha |
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| 09:46.38 | simonrvn | here they come |
| 09:46.46 | jethro | troy: nobody's getting mad. you should know sid isn't supported here. and most of the times you'll get flames for asking stuff like "how do I fix my desktop in sid" |
| 09:46.47 | jim | if you can't do that, maybe it's time to consider backing off on sid... or you may be sorry you ran it |
| 09:47.03 | K_Dallas | How can I stop apt-get from downgrading my packages? |
| 09:47.15 | Guerin | K_Dallas: why is it? |
| 09:47.26 | jethro | K_Dallas: stop mixing weirds sources without pinning |
| 09:47.26 | jim | K_Dallas: don't run apt-get :) |
| 09:47.27 | mikaEL` | why can't I receive response from pinging my gateway ? I can use the Internet though |
| 09:47.30 | troy | jethro, i came here and i asked how i can get an old repository for sid :P |
| 09:47.30 | K_Dallas | (it is sarge but i had to install a few things from experimental and unstable) |
| 09:47.39 | Guerin | K_Dallas: hahaha |
| 09:47.42 | troy | i didn't ask "how can i fix my desktop" |
| 09:47.42 | jethro | troy: I didn't read sid at first |
| 09:47.46 | Guerin | !bobbitt |
| 09:47.46 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. |
| 09:47.56 | K_Dallas | jethro, what is pinning? |
| 09:48.01 | jethro | K_Dallas: rtfm |
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| 09:48.09 | simonrvn | K_Dallas: man apt_preferences |
| 09:48.13 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 09:48.25 | Guerin | !bobbitt =~ s/result./result. Same goes for Sarge./ |
| 09:48.33 | Guerin | dpkg, bobbitt =~ s/result./result. Same goes for Sarge./ |
| 09:48.37 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 09:48.46 | jim | K_Dallas: you too could be sorry you did... unstable is no longer close to sid, and may become -incompatible- with sarge at any time... and could be already in a few ways, potentially expanding over time to all ways |
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| 09:49.05 | paulswm | troy: you didn't ask for an old sid: <troy> i know that this sounds stupid, but i want an old debian repository... for 10 days |
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| 09:49.21 | paulswm | Hence the misunderstanding. |
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| 09:49.45 | _NiNJA_ | liable: thanks for that md5sum info ... it wrote the file this time ... going to cross fingers and start X :) |
| 09:49.48 | troy | paulswm, oh, and it's there any problem for asking that? |
| 09:49.50 | K_Dallas | jim iam not really doing anything dangerous, as far as i know, i had used tetex 3 before on sarge-testing and did not have any problem |
| 09:49.57 | jim | debian doesn't keep stuff like that; it would be nice, but there isn't the disk space |
| 09:50.04 | K_Dallas | but who knows, maybe someday my system goes boom ;) |
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| 09:50.15 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 09:50.15 | dpkg | i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 09:50.19 | mikaEL` | where can I find good mirrors for apt-get ? |
| 09:50.21 | Guerin | jim: wrong again |
| 09:50.31 | Guerin | mikaEL`: apt-setup, or debian.org |
| 09:50.37 | mikaEL` | thanx |
| 09:50.41 | ac3 | hi |
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| 09:51.18 | jim | K_Dallas: as long as you're aware of that, and YOU KEEP BACKUPS or else YOU DON"T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR BOX... no problem :) |
| 09:51.33 | ac3 | Is there a debian package pear HTTP_Request? I cannot seem to find it |
| 09:51.37 | K_Dallas | ;) of course |
| 09:51.39 | ac3 | I need it for horde |
| 09:51.41 | sp3tt | What packages are installed by the tasksel task "Web server"? Apache, perl? |
| 09:51.42 | gianiaz | ac3: |
| 09:51.50 | gianiaz | pear install HTTP_Request |
| 09:51.51 | jim | Guerin: oic, so I can get any package from any date? |
| 09:51.52 | paulswm | troy: restore from backups. |
| 09:51.56 | Guerin | jim: yup. |
| 09:51.57 | simonrvn | ac3: no. use pear to install it |
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| 09:52.15 | jim | from 0.93-r6? |
| 09:52.19 | troy | anyway, thanks guys :) |
| 09:52.28 | gianiaz | anyone use gdesklets? |
| 09:52.33 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:52.34 | ac3 | but how can i easely update it then, like apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:52.35 | jim | and before? |
| 09:52.45 | jim | any -sid- package? |
| 09:52.45 | gianiaz | ac3: pear upgrade |
| 09:52.45 | simonrvn | ac3: using the same tool... |
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| 09:52.51 | ac3 | nice |
| 09:52.54 | ac3 | thx guys |
| 09:52.59 | gianiaz | ac3: or something like that |
| 09:53.04 | gianiaz | man pear for further info |
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| 09:53.11 | Inf3cted_fx | Hello ppl |
| 09:53.16 | mortalman | I just did an: apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and I get the message: "the following packages have been kept back ... ... 131 not upgraded. Wtf does that mean? |
| 09:53.18 | ac3 | ok, thx:) |
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| 09:53.21 | Inf3cted_fx | forgive me i'm drunk |
| 09:53.22 | jim | explain how that might work if those packages were not kept? |
| 09:53.25 | Inf3cted_fx | xDD |
| 09:53.35 | gianiaz | lol Inf3cted_fx |
| 09:53.41 | gianiaz | here are 12:00 am |
| 09:53.45 | Inf3cted_fx | dont laugh at me please |
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| 09:53.57 | mikaEL` | which is the best ncurses IRC client ?? |
| 09:53.58 | gianiaz | no no :) |
| 09:53.59 | Inf3cted_fx | I dont know english at all |
| 09:54.02 | Inf3cted_fx | xD |
| 09:54.10 | gianiaz | I use irrssi mikaEL` |
| 09:54.14 | jim | Inf3cted_fx: and yet you're speaking it pretty well :) |
| 09:54.17 | Inf3cted_fx | so dont take advantage xD |
| 09:54.22 | Inf3cted_fx | I try lol |
| 09:54.29 | gianiaz | you talk better than me |
| 09:54.37 | Inf3cted_fx | but relly I'm a fucking drunk now lol |
| 09:54.37 | gianiaz | and I'm not drunked |
| 09:54.41 | gianiaz | and I'm not drunk |
| 09:54.41 | Inf3cted_fx | hah |
| 09:54.50 | sp3tt | lol |
| 09:54.52 | Inf3cted_fx | does anyone has a beer? |
| 09:54.52 | jim | yer trolling... |
| 09:54.54 | Inf3cted_fx | I want somew |
| 09:54.56 | Inf3cted_fx | some |
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| 09:55.10 | Guerin | Inf3cted_fx: go to the beer shop? |
| 09:55.14 | Guerin | (just an idea) |
| 09:55.18 | sp3tt | Inf3cted_fx: try www.99-bottles-of-beer.net :) |
| 09:55.22 | Inf3cted_fx | Hey guys nice 2 meet u guys anyway |
| 09:55.26 | Inf3cted_fx | hahahah |
| 09:55.27 | giupy | wich prog to know my cpu temperature? |
| 09:55.43 | jim | sensors |
| 09:55.44 | terje` | sensors |
| 09:55.46 | Inf3cted_fx | I'm in a friends house right now |
| 09:55.59 | petemc | !lmsensors |
| 09:55.59 | dpkg | it has been said that lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. via kernel modules. apt-get install lm-sensors. For kernel 2.4 see the package description or lm-sensors-source. http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ |
| 09:56.05 | Inf3cted_fx | giupy, use knfavulator |
| 09:56.11 | Inf3cted_fx | kunfabulator |
| 09:56.24 | Inf3cted_fx | is for winfuck |
| 09:56.26 | Inf3cted_fx | xD |
| 09:56.29 | giupy | Inf3cted_fx, i try thanks |
| 09:56.37 | Inf3cted_fx | but for linux use Superkaramba |
| 09:56.47 | Inf3cted_fx | I cooooool shit |
| 09:56.52 | giupy | ?? |
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| 09:57.17 | Inf3cted_fx | does anyone wants pass for a porno website thatr I hacked? |
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| 09:57.22 | spdf | You cool shit? Like, physically, with refridgeration? |
| 09:57.30 | jim | ok, now I KNOW you're trolling |
| 09:57.33 | Inf3cted_fx | hihihih' |
| 09:57.51 | Xuse | ohno a hacker! |
| 09:58.00 | absence | why does the topic tell people to /msg dpkg kde3.4 when it doesn't answer to that particular keyword? |
| 09:58.01 | Inf3cted_fx | i'm not a hacker |
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| 09:58.03 | Guerin | Xuse: lock up j00r portx0rz! |
| 09:58.09 | mortalman | Inf3cted_fx, Yeah, /msg me the login/pass. |
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| 09:58.16 | jethro | !ops Inf3cted_fx annoyance |
| 09:58.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Inf3cted_fx annoyance |
| 09:58.31 | Inf3cted_fx | i have to be a programer to do that |
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| 09:58.46 | Inf3cted_fx | I give u a pass right now |
| 09:58.47 | jim | most hackers don't necessarily know that |
| 09:58.54 | jethro | Inf3cted_fx: shut the fuck up please |
| 09:58.57 | Inf3cted_fx | www.ten.com |
| 09:58.57 | liable | Inf3cted_fx: dude, quit before your banned. |
| 09:58.58 | jim | keep your stupid pass |
| 09:59.03 | jethro | Inf3cted_fx: and learn to spell properly |
| 09:59.03 | Inf3cted_fx | user: arkangelps |
| 09:59.09 | Inf3cted_fx | sorry is arkangelp |
| 09:59.15 | Inf3cted_fx | pass is adivinalo |
| 09:59.30 | trueno | Anyone knows where's http://non-us.debian.org sid/* gone? |
| 09:59.30 | Inf3cted_fx | sorry liable |
| 09:59.31 | kneet_ | mortalman, apt-get install pornview ;) |
| 09:59.39 | Inf3cted_fx | I didnt mean to |
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| 09:59.55 | jethro | trueno: there is no longer a non-US |
| 09:59.58 | Inf3cted_fx | please forgive me liable |
| 10:00.15 | trueno | jethro: Why? What about ssh and so? |
| 10:00.16 | mortalman | OMG, that's an actual package. |
| 10:00.17 | jim | !ops porn spam Inf3cted_fx Administr@pool-71-100-213-40.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net |
| 10:00.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: porn spam Inf3cted_fx Administr@pool-71-100-213-40.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net |
| 10:00.29 | simonrvn | @ops Inf3cted_fx is an ass passing out cracked site auth data - please kickban |
| 10:00.29 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Inf3cted_fx is an ass passing out cracked site auth data - please kickban |
| 10:00.36 | jethro | trueno: it's no longer in non-US. it's in either main contrib or non-free |
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| 10:00.45 | Inf3cted_fx | sorry guys dont kick me out |
| 10:00.45 | petemc | cracked site?! auth data!? |
| 10:01.02 | Inf3cted_fx | i wont do it again |
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| 10:01.22 | Inf3cted_fx | I just came ove to talk a litter bit |
| 10:01.25 | jim | Inf3cted_fx: whatever... my comment stands |
| 10:01.34 | jim | mmhmm |
| 10:01.38 | Inf3cted_fx | cuz if i'm drunk i speak better nenglish lol |
| 10:01.39 | flosch | hi |
| 10:01.45 | jethro | it's not even sunday and we have no op? |
| 10:01.55 | Inf3cted_fx | jim, sorry dude |
| 10:02.02 | trueno | jethro: ok, just a matter of removing a coupe of lines in sources.list then, right? |
| 10:02.10 | kneet_ | trueno, should be |
| 10:02.19 | jethro | trueno: or running apt-setup |
| 10:02.20 | troelsarvin | anyone have Sarge working with a promise SATAII TX controller? |
| 10:02.33 | Inf3cted_fx | I used to have sarge |
| 10:02.45 | trueno | jethro: kneet_: good, thanks :-) |
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| 10:03.00 | _NiNJA_ | hmm ... should dpkg-reconfigure olvwm ... setup olvwm as the main X window manager ... so when X starts it will go into olvwm as ... I now have X fixed .. its just not starting any window manager yet (i had old hand made files to start x from ages ago etc so I think they dont conform to new X ) |
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| 10:03.11 | jm_ | _NiNJA_: unlikely |
| 10:03.22 | jim | troelsarvin: can you install onto a pata drive, build or install later 2.6, boot into it then copy to the satas |
| 10:03.35 | Inf3cted_fx | is anyone mad at me>? |
| 10:03.41 | Inf3cted_fx | i didnt mean to |
| 10:03.43 | spdf | Inf3cted_fx, infuriated... |
| 10:03.49 | _NiNJA_ | jm: have to change window managers etc by hand? |
| 10:03.52 | Inf3cted_fx | what the hell is that mean? |
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| 10:04.03 | Inf3cted_fx | i dont speak english at all |
| 10:04.04 | ledet | underdog: i'm not mad - i'm dissappointed |
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| 10:04.20 | jim | Inf3cted_fx: not really... but you're acting like an idiot and you don't seem to know what's going on here and you're throwing hacked-site spam around |
| 10:04.30 | jm_ | _NiNJA_: /msg dpkg choose window manager |
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| 10:04.40 | Inf3cted_fx | i'm an idiot, dot b suprice |
| 10:04.41 | _NiNJA_ | jm: tah |
| 10:04.43 | troelsarvin | jim: I've installed Sarge on two (mirrored) SATA disks not controlled by my Promise controllers. |
| 10:04.49 | Xuse | Yea we noticed. |
| 10:04.50 | Inf3cted_fx | dont*( |
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| 10:05.17 | jim | Inf3cted_fx: you don't have to be :P |
| 10:05.23 | Inf3cted_fx | i know |
| 10:05.31 | protocolX | Anybody knows how many different login/display managers are out there? The most popular login managers are Gnome,KDE,XDM. |
| 10:05.39 | Inf3cted_fx | but sometimes i acting like i am |
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| 10:05.55 | jim | but if that's so, then you're out of control over yourself |
| 10:06.05 | jim | at least to soem degree |
| 10:06.09 | spdf | protocolX, There are tons.. |
| 10:06.30 | liable | Inf3cted_fx: theres probably better channels to be in when your drunk than here, seeing as this is a help channel, not a general chat channel. |
| 10:06.52 | protocolX | Which one is very appealing and requires less third-party libraries? |
| 10:06.58 | Inf3cted_fx | i just wanna lear some linux, so i will keep quite |
| 10:07.13 | jim | I'm not trying to tease you or make fun of you |
| 10:07.16 | K_Dallas | Inf3cted_fx, join #ubuntu ;) |
| 10:07.16 | troelsarvin | jim: the Promise SATA controllers are easily found by a (Debian sid based, I believe) live-CD called INSERT |
| 10:07.26 | Inf3cted_fx | hahah not i like this channel |
| 10:07.40 | Inf3cted_fx | i promise i wont say anithing |
| 10:07.44 | Inf3cted_fx | anything |
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| 10:08.20 | jim | Inf3cted_fx: if you want to learn something cool, learn how to write shell lines and shell scripts |
| 10:08.39 | Inf3cted_fx | ok ppl bye guys thx for leave me hang a littler bit here |
| 10:09.05 | Inf3cted_fx | bye |
| 10:09.32 | ledet | uhm... ok |
| 10:09.33 | mikaEL` | I have a problem with apt-setup: E:Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 10:09.38 | ledet | what a retard... |
| 10:10.05 | spdf | protocolX, Well, You could run something like blackbox/fluxbox, and use other programs ontop of them for icons, etc.. |
| 10:10.14 | jm_ | mikaEL`: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
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| 10:11.49 | K_Dallas | so netrim is back to normal again :) |
| 10:11.58 | K_Dallas | -t |
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| 10:12.42 | HeavenWarrior | #flood |
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| 10:12.48 | HeavenWarrior | ops. |
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| 10:13.17 | FlimFlamMan | my apt/dpkg system seems hosed. is there a way to rebuild it from the ground up? |
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| 10:13.25 | protocolX | spdf: I am not looking for Window manager, I am looking for login/display manager. |
| 10:13.29 | HeavenWarrior | guys please have a look at #flood |
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| 10:13.53 | jethro | protocolX: entranced! |
| 10:13.54 | johnnybezak | hey guys, what is the smallest iso for the new debian stable? I just need the bare minimum, I'll install everything else later |
| 10:14.21 | Xuse | the net install |
| 10:14.23 | takatumi | johnnybezak: business card iso ~32MB |
| 10:14.33 | protocolX | jethro: it's good, but requires may third-party package. |
| 10:14.39 | protocolX | jethro: any other. |
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| 10:15.06 | HeavenWarrior | i've sound problems |
| 10:15.08 | HeavenWarrior | i run sometimes the sound, but after a reboot there's no sound |
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| 10:15.44 | protocolX | I tried SLim which is buggy, header file missing. |
| 10:15.58 | liable | HeavenWarrior: after getting it all to work, have you run 'alsactl store' ?? |
| 10:16.07 | HeavenWarrior | liable, nope |
| 10:16.16 | liable | HeavenWarrior: try that |
| 10:16.19 | johnnybezak | takatumi: i've got a 128 mb flash card, is there one with X on it thats that big] |
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| 10:16.27 | HeavenWarrior | liable, ok |
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| 10:17.02 | jethro | protocolX: how about you /msg dpkg search ? |
| 10:17.26 | takatumi | johnnybezak: not sure. |
| 10:17.37 | johnnybezak | taktatumi: roger |
| 10:17.51 | jethro | protocolX: if you're just going to wait for answers, then tell us why the provided answers don't fit your need, you'd better off searching by yourself |
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| 10:18.11 | HeavenWarrior | liable, alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
| 10:18.37 | Gujiz | Anyone know any torrent-software that works @ textbased debian sarge? |
| 10:18.50 | liable | HeavenWarrior: hmm, thats after 'alsaconf'? |
| 10:18.50 | pureone | btdownloadcurses |
| 10:18.56 | HeavenWarrior | liable, yep |
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| 10:19.24 | _NiNJA_ | gujiz: www.bittorrent.com has a linux client |
| 10:19.32 | liable | HeavenWarrior: and it found and configured your card, and you could run alsamixer? |
| 10:19.37 | jethro | Gujiz: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:19.49 | jethro | _NiNJA_: debian has bittorent clients packaged .. |
| 10:19.50 | HeavenWarrior | liable, once yep, but after a reboot not |
| 10:19.58 | HeavenWarrior | no sound |
| 10:19.58 | _NiNJA_ | ah k |
| 10:20.25 | liable | HeavenWarrior: run alsaconf now, then alsamixer, then alsactl store, see what happens. |
| 10:20.52 | liable | HeavenWarrior: check which sound modules are loaded. |
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| 10:21.04 | HeavenWarrior | liable, see in flood |
| 10:21.58 | johnnybezak | whats the new stable called? |
| 10:22.03 | johnnybezak | ah sarge |
| 10:22.07 | johnnybezak | soryy |
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| 10:23.37 | liable | HeavenWarrior: try 'cat vmlinuz > /dev/dsp' any noise? |
| 10:24.49 | HeavenWarrior | liable, nothing |
| 10:25.20 | ac3 | How can i install PECL/PHP extensions? |
| 10:25.28 | ac3 | MIME Magic Support (fileinfo) |
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| 10:25.48 | torgrimt_ | ac3: for apache? ;) |
| 10:25.54 | ac3 | yeah |
| 10:25.59 | ac3 | apache2 |
| 10:26.03 | liable | HeavenWarrior: ok, run lsmod and make sure your oss modules arent loaded as well as the alsa ones. |
| 10:26.24 | torgrimt_ | ac3: apt-get install php4 ;) |
| 10:26.29 | HeavenWarrior | oss, were those ones starting with 'snd_' |
| 10:26.35 | ac3 | php4 is ok |
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| 10:26.56 | liable | HeavenWarrior: dunno, for that card, google will help there. |
| 10:26.58 | mikaEL` | I have debian woody ... how can I upgrade to sarge ? |
| 10:27.04 | torgrimt_ | ac3: libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 10:27.06 | HeavenWarrior | snd_opl3sa2 16812 1 |
| 10:27.10 | jm_ | mikaEL`: go read the release notes |
| 10:27.16 | HeavenWarrior | i think this one is oss |
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| 10:27.25 | HeavenWarrior | how to disable oss modules |
| 10:27.25 | _NiNJA_ | mikale: www.debian.org .. install and release notes |
| 10:27.35 | liable | HeavenWarrior: dont think, google and make sure. |
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| 10:29.04 | ac3 | torgrimt_: that´s not it i think |
| 10:29.07 | Gnea | awww yeah |
| 10:29.15 | Gnea | i'm diggin' this new sarge |
| 10:29.23 | gianiaz | ac3: you have to download it |
| 10:29.25 | calabrozzo | buongiorno a tutti/goodmorning |
| 10:29.26 | Gnea | the net installer is.. unf unf |
| 10:29.32 | gianiaz | and then install it with pera |
| 10:29.35 | gianiaz | pear* |
| 10:29.39 | gianiaz | ciao calabrozzo :) |
| 10:29.48 | calabrozzo | ciao gianiaz ^_^ |
| 10:29.53 | joel_ | ciao bello |
| 10:29.54 | jim | unfinished/ |
| 10:29.58 | calabrozzo | posso farti una domanda? :P |
| 10:30.04 | ac3 | pear complains it is still beta |
| 10:30.06 | gianiaz | calabrozzo: talk in eng |
| 10:30.08 | jim | ? |
| 10:30.08 | gianiaz | or pvt |
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| 10:30.18 | Gnea | !tell calabrozzo about es |
| 10:30.21 | calabrozzo | gianiaz, ok |
| 10:30.43 | joel_ | es? |
| 10:30.44 | jethro | !irritate tralala |
| 10:30.45 | dpkg | tralala: wenas how does I run teh edonkey lol |
| 10:30.50 | jethro | Gnea: that's italian |
| 10:30.56 | joel_ | yea ffs |
| 10:30.58 | Gnea | !es |
| 10:30.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:31.02 | Gnea | !it |
| 10:31.03 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 10:31.14 | Gnea | jethro: thanks :) |
| 10:31.14 | tralala | !irritate jethro |
| 10:31.15 | dpkg | jethro: HELP ME!!! how can I make my lindows werkz U FUX0RZ |
| 10:31.20 | tralala | haa! |
| 10:31.21 | tralala | :) |
| 10:31.21 | jethro | :) |
| 10:31.27 | Gnea | rofl |
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| 10:31.31 | Xuse | whats the screenshot thingy package for gnome called again? |
| 10:31.33 | tralala | dpkg: you rock |
| 10:31.47 | Gnea | Xuse: which one? |
| 10:31.49 | ac3 | gianiaz: can i install it anyway? or is this a bad idea? |
| 10:31.51 | jim | dpkg: you bot |
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| 10:32.06 | tralala | dpkg rules |
| 10:32.06 | dpkg | from memory, rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 10:32.12 | tralala | :) |
| 10:32.22 | gianiaz | ac3: you download the pecl package, then pear install filename |
| 10:32.29 | hid3 | Is there any way to limit max outgoing traffic from centrain interfaces? Let's say I want eth0 allow only max 5 mB/s download speed.. |
| 10:32.31 | Gnea | tralala: !rules > dpkg rules ;) |
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| 10:32.37 | Gnea | == yet > |
| 10:32.42 | gianiaz | it could be enough |
| 10:32.44 | alexci | I have installed freetype2 on my machine but I can find any .ttf files, is there something I should do to install them ? |
| 10:32.57 | Gnea | alexci: google.com |
| 10:33.01 | jm_ | alexci: start with msttcorefonts |
| 10:33.06 | Gnea | "truetype fonts" |
| 10:33.08 | torgrimt_ | ac3: skal du kjøre perl scripts som cgi? |
| 10:33.22 | ac3 | i did "pear install fileinfo" => No release with state equal to: 'stable' found for 'fileinfo' and "pear search fileinfo" => Fileinfo none/(0.3beta) libmagic bindings |
| 10:33.23 | joel_ | jej er fra norge! |
| 10:33.28 | torgrimt_ | ac3: hvis ikke er det mason du skal ha |
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| 10:33.39 | Xuse | Gnea i forget. |
| 10:33.40 | sp3tt | What packages are installed by the tasksel task "Web server"? I could not find any information on debian.org |
| 10:33.43 | jethro | torgrimt_: english please. or move to another language specific debian channel |
| 10:33.52 | tralala | alexci: there is apt-cache search <your problem keywords> that is *very* helpful when you don't know exactly what you want |
| 10:33.53 | snail | xcdroast was working, ubt a recent upgrade appears to have borked it. it's not seeing either drive, re-installing it makes it see the drives but they don't work and when I rescan from within xcdroast they vanish. the solution isn't obviosu from http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO-2.html |
| 10:33.58 | ac3 | torgrimt_: i don´t understand that language |
| 10:34.04 | joel_ | I do |
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| 10:34.09 | ac3 | hehe |
| 10:34.12 | torgrimt_ | oh sorry ;) |
| 10:34.17 | ac3 | np:) |
| 10:34.21 | joel_ | it's norwegian |
| 10:34.35 | ac3 | thought someting like that |
| 10:34.37 | torgrimt_ | ac3: are you going to run perl scripts as cgi? or as an interperer? |
| 10:34.46 | FlimFlamMan | i think my apt/dpkg system is hosed. i can't install anything... get errors like: dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `postfix' in statusoverride file |
| 10:34.47 | alexci | how is msttcorefonts supposed to help me ? |
| 10:34.56 | kneet_ | You want to try being a brit in Norway - who forgets and talks to his mother in norwegian ;) |
| 10:35.04 | ac3 | no perl, just php (it is a needed module for horde3 webmail) |
| 10:35.05 | torgrimt_ | ac3: if mod_perl isnt for you, then look at mason |
| 10:35.18 | Gnea | FlimFlamMan: that just says there's not postfix user |
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| 10:35.23 | Gnea | s/not/no |
| 10:35.31 | Gnea | and no, i can't type |
| 10:35.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:35.43 | joel_ | well I can't dance |
| 10:35.43 | tralala | alexci: it will install ttf fonts for you |
| 10:35.44 | _NiNJA_ | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 10:35.45 | _NiNJA_ | No alternatives for x-session-manager. |
| 10:35.47 | _NiNJA_ | is that bad? |
| 10:35.56 | Gnea | joel_: bummer |
| 10:35.58 | Xuse | I can't find it anywhere it's pissing me off. -_- |
| 10:35.59 | FlimFlamMan | Gnea, i've added a postfix user and still fails |
| 10:36.09 | joel_ | only thing about me is the way I sing |
| 10:36.09 | Gnea | gkrellshoot - Plugin for gkrellm to lock the screen and make screenshots |
| 10:36.10 | alexci | tralala: thanks |
| 10:36.20 | tralala | _NiNJA_: no, it is just fine |
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| 10:36.31 | Gnea | FlimFlamMan: in sarge? |
| 10:36.37 | _NiNJA_ | set my window manager to olvwm .... using x-window-manager ... and im using xdm .... if I start Xfree86 ... it works .. ie. X screen with X in middle (cntrl-alt-backsp) to exit .... if I try and run X ... machine hangs .. |
| 10:36.38 | FlimFlamMan | Gnea, yeah |
| 10:36.49 | Gnea | FlimFlamMan: what package(s)? |
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| 10:37.14 | tralala | hey, I'm currently running stable! I have never run stable on my desktop until now :) |
| 10:37.29 | jethro | !lose tralala |
| 10:37.29 | dpkg | tralala: You Lose. |
| 10:37.39 | Gnea | another day, another n00b |
| 10:37.41 | tralala | naaah |
| 10:37.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:37.45 | tralala | !win me |
| 10:37.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 10:37.51 | Gnea | :D |
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| 10:37.57 | tralala | yeaaaah! |
| 10:37.59 | K_Dallas | lucky you ;) |
| 10:38.00 | jethro | lifetime supply of spam, that's all you deserve :) |
| 10:38.01 | tralala | :) |
| 10:38.03 | c0al | hah. damned if ya do, damned if ya don't ;) |
| 10:38.05 | Gnea | lol |
| 10:38.18 | Xuse | gnea it was in gnome-utils |
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| 10:38.20 | calabrozzo | can someone help me to compile enlightenment? it gives me an error when i write 'make' :( |
| 10:38.21 | FlimFlamMan | Gnea, ok, that was just one symptom - i think i have to rebuild my dpkg/apt system - any idea if this is possible? |
| 10:38.28 | Gnea | Xuse: right on |
| 10:38.30 | jethro | calabrozzo: what do you want to compile? |
| 10:38.34 | liable | _NiNJA_: so starx hangs? |
| 10:38.39 | liable | startx |
| 10:38.41 | _NiNJA_ | Looking at /var/log/XFree86.0.log .. X seems to start fine ... is there anyway to find out whats happening between X starting and the window manager kicking in? .. (or not kicking in in this case) .... |
| 10:38.46 | Gnea | FlimFlamMan: you really haven't given me much of anything to go on |
| 10:38.46 | FlimFlamMan | Gnea, getting a lot of messages like this: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `exuberant-ctags' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 10:38.50 | c0al | calabrozzo, apt-get install enlightenment should work just fine ;) |
| 10:38.51 | calabrozzo | jethro, enlightenment, a desktop environment |
| 10:39.03 | _NiNJA_ | startx hangs yeah .... hangs whole machine .. have to manual reboot ... X |
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| 10:39.11 | tralala | _NiNJA_: less ~/.xsession-errors |
| 10:39.15 | jethro | calabrozzo: I use it. I know what it is. what parts are you compiling? and qwhich version of E? |
| 10:39.28 | Gnea | FlimFlamMan: so what changed? out of disk space? |
| 10:39.35 | jethro | dpkg: DR17 is <reply> [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 10:39.36 | dpkg | okay, jethro |
| 10:39.47 | calabrozzo | jethro, wait a moment pls |
| 10:39.52 | jethro | dpkg: e17 is see DR17 |
| 10:39.53 | dpkg | ...but e17 is already something else... |
| 10:39.57 | Gnea | jethro: hold that please. |
| 10:39.58 | jethro | !e17 |
| 10:39.58 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. |
| 10:40.05 | c0al | calabrozzo: add "deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main" to your sources file, then apt-get update, and apt-get install enlightenment :) |
| 10:40.18 | _NiNJA_ | tralala: tried that .. no such file in roots homedir .. (running X as root to test) |
| 10:40.21 | jethro | dpkg: e17 is also see DR17 |
| 10:40.21 | dpkg | okay, jethro |
| 10:40.24 | calabrozzo | thank you c0al :) |
| 10:40.25 | jethro | Gnea: hold what? |
| 10:40.28 | Esaj | what's a good audio sequencer? |
| 10:40.30 | Gnea | jethro: best not to mess with that till it's been released. |
| 10:40.39 | Gnea | jethro: by request of the top author. |
| 10:40.40 | c0al | calabrozzo, np. i just installed it via apt a couple days ago ;) |
| 10:40.42 | FlimFlamMan | Gnea, i'm getting a machine back up and running after much pain getting grub installed on system with mylex DAC960 controller. eventually put an IDE disk in it to boot off of, still trying to use the rest of the system as it was configed |
| 10:40.48 | jethro | Gnea: what are you talking about? |
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| 10:41.14 | jethro | Gnea: don't /msg me |
| 10:41.28 | Gnea | this requires a private conversation. you will respond. |
| 10:41.31 | tralala | _NiNJA_: so the X starts ok (if you only type X) but the wm doesn't? |
| 10:41.39 | alexci | tralala: I have installed msttcorefonts, but still I can't find any .ttf on my box ! |
| 10:41.46 | jethro | Gnea: no I wont. /msg'ing me requires asking me first, which you didn't |
| 10:41.54 | Gnea | fine then. |
| 10:41.55 | Gnea | sufffer. |
| 10:41.59 | Gnea | er |
| 10:41.59 | Gnea | no |
| 10:42.04 | jethro | !moron Gnea |
| 10:42.05 | dpkg | Gnea: You are moron #71 |
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| 10:42.16 | tralala | :) |
| 10:42.18 | alexci | tralala: oops sorry my mistake, I realised that apt-get returned an error (1), do you know what that is ? |
| 10:42.37 | c0al | !moron me |
| 10:42.38 | dpkg | c0al: You are moron #18 |
| 10:42.44 | tralala | alexci: it is usually explained by apt-get |
| 10:42.51 | c0al | hahahha i got a lower number than you :) |
| 10:42.52 | _NiNJA_ | tralala: if I type "XFree86" the grey X screen comes up ... black X pointer for mouse etc ... no window manager etc .. so my screen/card settings are ok ... if I run X / startx ... machine hangs ... I have run update-alternatives --config x-window-managerupdate-alternatives --config x-window-manager and selected olvwm ... |
| 10:43.02 | tralala | alexci: did you use apt-cache search? |
| 10:43.03 | jethro | c0al: it's a random number |
| 10:43.24 | alexci | tralala: yes I did that to know the name of the patch and then I did an apg-get install |
| 10:43.24 | c0al | hahahha i got a lower number than you :) |
| 10:43.26 | c0al | errr |
| 10:43.28 | c0al | !moron me |
| 10:43.29 | dpkg | c0al: You are moron #15 |
| 10:43.32 | alexci | it does not say much tho |
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| 10:43.46 | c0al | haha even lower, i am TEH MEGGA WINNAR |
| 10:43.55 | jethro | !botabuse |
| 10:43.55 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 10:44.08 | alexci | tralala: Continued download failed on this file, which conflicts with `-c'. |
| 10:44.10 | alexci | Refusing to truncate existing file `andale32.exe?download&failedmirror=unc.dl.sourceforge.net'. |
| 10:44.13 | liable | _NiNJA_: looks like it your olvwm settings maybe |
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| 10:44.49 | liable | _NiNJA_: is olvwm a debian package? |
| 10:44.58 | calabrozzo | i have another question..if i try to compile gimp it say me that there's an error with perl module, but if i type apt-get install perl i can't do it because it's to the newest version |
| 10:45.10 | jethro | Gnea: DONT KEEP ON MSG'ING YOU I DON'T GIVE A FUCK |
| 10:45.16 | jethro | s/YOU/ME/ |
| 10:45.19 | Gnea | jethro: then you will suffer. |
| 10:45.27 | _NiNJA_ | liable: yeah olvwm is a deban package ... and ive tried a dpkg-reconfigure on it too ... |
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| 10:45.43 | tralala | alexci: it seems that your download got fucked up. locate the failed file under /var/cache/apt/archives and remove it. then run apt-get -f install |
| 10:45.46 | jethro | Gnea: that's my problem. I don't want to suffer your /msg. shadoi made debian packages available for the very same reason debian has an unstable distro |
| 10:46.10 | jethro | Gnea: I m not telling the average joe to use DR17 am I? so please, quit schooling me. I don't need that |
| 10:46.16 | liable | @annoy jethro |
| 10:46.16 | ravenbird | jethro: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 10:46.19 | aeho | Does anyone know how to change subtitle size in totem? |
| 10:46.24 | liable | :) |
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| 10:47.17 | Gnea | jethro: i'm sorry you feel that way, i'll leave you alone now. |
| 10:47.19 | jethro | Gnea: I can't see no "DONT USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES I PROVIDE" on shadoi's website. can you? |
| 10:47.24 | jethro | Gnea: wanker |
| 10:47.29 | Gnea | that's not what i said. |
| 10:47.38 | Gnea | you have mis-interpretted. |
| 10:47.41 | jethro | Gnea: *plonk* |
| 10:47.45 | alexci | tralala: I have done an apt-get remove --purge, that equivalent is not it ? |
| 10:47.53 | supaman | jethro, gnea, please take it outside |
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| 10:47.59 | And_80 | hello, i hava a question about packaging python programs as dpkg |
| 10:48.03 | jethro | supaman: I m ignoring from now on. |
| 10:48.05 | Gnea | that's what i tried to do. |
| 10:48.07 | tralala | alexci: no, it is not |
| 10:48.11 | Gnea | but no |
| 10:48.18 | philuk86 | And_80: ask your question.. |
| 10:48.31 | Gnea | yes, ignorance is certainly bliss. |
| 10:48.31 | And_80 | is there some tool like checkinstall for python programs? |
| 10:49.09 | alexci | tralala: I did not know this, why is this important to remove this file ? |
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| 10:49.46 | tralala | alexci: because, apt-get is complaining that it cannot restore the download. So you need to remove it and restart the download from the beginning |
| 10:49.54 | And_80 | philuk86, chekinstall does not work with python programs.... |
| 10:49.55 | alexci | ok |
| 10:50.27 | philuk86 | And_80: How many output files does your package produce? |
| 10:50.31 | tralala | And_80: could you, please, explain how python and checkinstall are related to #debian and not to google? |
| 10:50.38 | alexci | tralala: well it does the same with -f, might it be a problem with the server where the file are supposed to be downloaded from ? |
| 10:50.41 | klaa | Hi, I just installed the latest stable debian (sarge) with netinstall. I have problems getting my mouse to work. I have tried to run XFree86Config but it doesn't seem to help. And I can't quit my x-server, it just reloads every time I kill it. Any advices tips help is really welcome! |
| 10:50.51 | snail | the solution to my cd burning problem was to use k3b instead of xcdroast |
| 10:51.05 | tralala | alexci: did you remove the failed download file? |
| 10:51.09 | alexci | yes yes |
| 10:51.09 | liable | klaa: usb mouse? |
| 10:51.13 | snail | klaa: laptop or desktop? i368? |
| 10:51.20 | klaa | USB mouse I use in ps/2 liable |
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| 10:51.33 | klaa | desktop i386 snail |
| 10:51.35 | And_80 | tralala, i asked about python packaging, and o allredy googled a lot about it |
| 10:51.44 | liable | !tell klaa about usb-mouse |
| 10:51.55 | liable | !tell klaa about no dm |
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| 10:52.11 | klaa | my mouse is plugged in ps/2 so it works as ps/2 mouse, doesn't it? |
| 10:52.31 | Morti | Yes. |
| 10:52.33 | Gnea | klaa: should work fine using /dev/psaux |
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| 10:52.52 | klaa | hmm, I can't change windows in irssi because of xfce4, :( |
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| 10:53.04 | klaa | Gnea: How do I set it up? with Xfree86config? |
| 10:53.09 | _NiNJA_ | bbl .. going to try and startx again |
| 10:53.13 | tralala | alexci: where did you find the package that you removed? Give me the path |
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| 10:53.36 | And_80 | philuk86, at the moment the only dpkg thed i have build where build with checkinstall |
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| 10:53.48 | Gnea | klaa: xf86config should do it |
| 10:54.00 | klaa | ok, I'll try. Thanks a lot! |
| 10:54.10 | Gnea | good luck |
| 10:54.14 | Skywind | How much all of Debian's packages? |
| 10:54.14 | klaa | thanks |
| 10:54.33 | Gnea | Skywind: fifty dollars. |
| 10:54.35 | tralala | Skywind: 5000 EUR |
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| 10:54.37 | Gnea | Skywind: j/k :) |
| 10:54.38 | tralala | :) |
| 10:54.40 | petemc | klaa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver=xfree86 is the debian ay of configuring x |
| 10:54.50 | Ekaterin | I ran dselect to upgrade to sarge, but during the update step it ran out of space in /var. How can I recover from this and avoid it happening next time I try to upgrade? |
| 10:54.50 | alexci | tralala: /var/cache/apt/archives/msttcorefonts_1.0.2_all.deb |
| 10:54.53 | Skywind | Gnea, lol |
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| 10:55.13 | klaa | petemc: "ay of configuring x" ? |
| 10:55.19 | petemc | +w |
| 10:55.24 | Gnea | Ekaterin: make sure your /var is 2gig or more |
| 10:55.29 | And_80 | philuk86, usualy python pakages have no MakeFile, they have a script called setup.py |
| 10:55.35 | klaa | ok, I'll write it down. Thank you petemc! |
| 10:55.35 | tralala | alexci: does apt-get fail to restore the download of this exact package? |
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| 10:56.06 | scar_ | I was trying to make menuconfig a 2.6.8 kernel, stopped the process saying you neeed to install the ncurses-devel package. apt doesn't find any package named that...? |
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| 10:56.11 | Skywind | Gnea, sorry I means How many :) |
| 10:56.15 | jm_ | scarynetworkguy: /msg dpkg menuconfig |
| 10:56.18 | jm_ | scar ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 10:56.22 | Skywind | just a typo |
| 10:56.35 | alexci | tralala: well it always output the same error |
| 10:56.41 | bernouli_ | i edit the routing table, but everytime i restart, the configuration is lost, is there any way to "save" this? |
| 10:56.52 | Gnea | Skywind: a *lot* :) |
| 10:56.57 | jm_ | bernouli_: you can add it to ingerfaces file |
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| 10:57.11 | jm_ | interfaces even |
| 10:57.15 | Gnea | Skywind: i'd say in the thousands range |
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| 10:57.35 | bernouli_ | jm_, which interfaces file? |
| 10:57.46 | jm_ | bernouli_: man interfaces |
| 10:57.47 | Gargoyle | What program do I use to configure X? I am stuck at 800x600 and sax(2) does not seem to be there!?! |
| 10:57.53 | Gargoyle | in KDE btw |
| 10:57.55 | Ekaterin | Gnea: I already have /var/cache/apt/archives as a link to a directory in /usr (where there is more space) - is it safe to do the same thing with /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 10:57.58 | bobbens | Gargoyle: XF86Config |
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| 10:58.17 | Gnea | Gargoyle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver=xfree86 |
| 10:58.19 | bobbens | Gargoyle: sorry all lowercase |
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| 10:58.30 | K_Dallas | Gargoyle, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 10:58.38 | nuxx | hey, i try to share my cups driven printer with my windows machine. i share it through samba, and i can see it in my network places. when i try to install, it tells me, the server does not provide the right drivers.. what can i do? |
| 10:58.45 | Ekaterin | Gnea: I hope that 2gig was not meant literally, or I'm likely to have trouble upgrading the oldest computers with 4GB hard disks. |
| 10:58.46 | Gnea | Ekaterin: yes, that is safe - best to fix that ASAP though |
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| 10:59.04 | bernouli_ | jm_, i know there is interfaces for ethx, but is it really possible to write the configuration there? |
| 10:59.09 | tralala | alexci: try /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/msttcorefonts_1.0.2_all.deb as well |
| 10:59.14 | jm_ | bernouli_: yes, via "up" directive |
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| 10:59.33 | tbd | with crm114 it's giving me the error "File size limit exceeded" |
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| 10:59.41 | Skywind | Gnea, wow I found the num in Debian homepage, "15490" |
| 10:59.45 | jm_ | bernoui;check examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown |
| 10:59.50 | Gnea | Ekaterin: there are other methods, however - instead of upgrading in one fell swoop, you could select certain packages to upgrade out of the main upgrade list that it provides and upgrade some at a time, then apt-get clean, repeat and rinse :) |
| 10:59.50 | jm_ | bernouli_ ^^^^^^ |
| 10:59.52 | tbd | I've upgraded my sid today -- as I did yesterday |
| 11:00.00 | Gnea | Skywind: :) |
| 11:00.04 | Romano | hi everyone... i'm trying to get webmin-bind working but it doesn't work. i have an error message just after the apt-getting operation |
| 11:00.08 | tbd | does anyone have an idea of what could happen?? |
| 11:00.15 | Skywind | Gnea, thx :) |
| 11:00.20 | bernouli_ | jm_, my configuration is something like "route add -net ..." |
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| 11:00.31 | tralala | tdb: sid broke on you |
| 11:00.33 | tralala | !break |
| 11:00.34 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 11:00.34 | Gnea | tbd: it's unstable |
| 11:00.35 | jm_ | bernouli_: yes, that doesn't change anything |
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| 11:01.20 | tralala | !fuck yakmans |
| 11:01.26 | Gnea | yakmans: what if i don't want to? :P |
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| 11:01.58 | Skywind | Gnea, another question: how many official Documents of Debian? ^_^ |
| 11:02.06 | Guerin | Skywind: lots |
| 11:02.11 | Skywind | ... |
| 11:02.12 | Gnea | Skywind: yeah, lots |
| 11:02.12 | petemc | umpteen |
| 11:02.12 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:02.14 | timt | anyone know how to get iwconfig working ?? Im just getting command not found?? |
| 11:02.23 | alexci | tralala: I have nothing in there |
| 11:02.23 | Skywind | exactly? |
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| 11:02.30 | Guerin | Skywind: not enough for some, and too many for most |
| 11:02.31 | Gnea | timt: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 11:02.38 | Guerin | Skywind: lots is exact |
| 11:02.43 | timt | Gnea; thanks. |
| 11:02.50 | Guerin | Skywind: it means 'so many we can't be arsed counting them' |
| 11:02.50 | Gnea | np |
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| 11:03.06 | tralala | alexci: and why the hell are you using a sorceforge reporsitory? |
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| 11:03.22 | Skywind | Guerin, haha, I see,thx |
| 11:03.32 | alexci | tralala: what do you mean ? |
| 11:03.34 | Skywind | Gnea, thx again |
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| 11:03.52 | analia | hello |
| 11:04.03 | Gnea | hi |
| 11:04.10 | analia | i have a process that dont die with kill -s 9 or kill -s 15 |
| 11:04.21 | analia | what can i do to avoid rebooting? |
| 11:04.22 | Gnea | try kill -9 |
| 11:04.28 | tralala | alexci: I mean this: prdownloads.sourceforge.net |
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| 11:04.29 | alexci | tralala: are you refering to what the error I got from apt-get ? well, this is the package that did that not me |
| 11:04.30 | Guerin | !zombie |
| 11:04.32 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 11:04.33 | analia | analia@neuro64:~$ lsof |grep hdd |
| 11:04.33 | analia | grip 21718 analia 20r BLK 22,64 8700074 /dev/hdd |
| 11:04.36 | Gargoyle | K_Dallas: dpkg-reconfigure is not in path, do I need to be root? |
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| 11:04.54 | Romano | webmin and webmin-bind juste apt-getted, i'm getting "Can't locate ./bind8.pl in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 ..." when i'm trying to access the module |
| 11:04.58 | Guerin | analia: it's likely waiting for data from the drive, but can't get it |
| 11:05.06 | Gnea | analia: lsof | grep grip |
| 11:05.06 | bobbens | Gargoyle: yes |
| 11:05.10 | yakmans | try join#yogyakarta |
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| 11:05.18 | *** part/#debian [PiL9RiM] (~[PiL9RiM]@81-208-106-75.fastres.net) |
| 11:05.20 | Gnea | !troll yakmans |
| 11:05.23 | alexci | tralala: that is it, I did not control that, the package did |
| 11:05.24 | Guerin | analia: you're pretty much just going to have to leave it, or reboot |
| 11:05.29 | tralala | !ops yakmans is a spammer |
| 11:05.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: yakmans is a spammer |
| 11:05.33 | Skywind | I am writing a slideshow will count num of these, to advertise Debian :) So have more strange question :) |
| 11:05.50 | Guerin | !why debian |
| 11:05.50 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 11:05.51 | Langly | yakmans try #lamestupidbots |
| 11:05.51 | Skywind | s/will/need |
| 11:05.52 | pitillo | yakmans, /join #channel |
| 11:05.54 | Gnea | analia: could be the cdrecord? |
| 11:06.00 | Guerin | Skywind: look at the last link in that lot |
| 11:06.12 | hondje | Hi. I'm trying to build a package, but when I try making it with 'fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot', it ignores what I have in rules for options to pass to configure, and instead does the automagical detection and starts building with 100 different options enabled. How can I force it to obey the rules file? |
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| 11:06.34 | _NiNJA_ | hmm .. startx still crashes while XFree86 starts up ok .... can anyone suggest a window-manager .deb to install that will install itself and hopefully configure X to make it start from the .deb install ? |
| 11:06.44 | alexci | tralala: can you please tell me more ? |
| 11:06.48 | tralala | alexci: select a *normal* debian mirror. use apt-cache search to find a tool for selecting mirrors |
| 11:06.57 | jm_ | _NiNJA_: do you have ~?.xsession file? |
| 11:07.03 | Guerin | _NiNJA_: wait. startx crashes, but XFree86 starts ok? |
| 11:07.07 | Gnea | _NiNJA_: you don't have a ~/.xinitrc file? |
| 11:07.07 | jm_ | ~/. even |
| 11:07.08 | Skywind | ok, thx |
| 11:07.20 | Skywind | nice bot :) |
| 11:07.29 | yakmans | try join#yogyakarta |
| 11:07.30 | Gnea | !botsnack |
| 11:07.43 | Guerin | yakmans: please to fucking a yak |
| 11:07.49 | Gnea | bout bloody time |
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| 11:07.56 | Gnea | Guerin: lol |
| 11:07.59 | _NiNJA_ | jm: no .xsession file in my ~ .. /root |
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| 11:08.10 | jm_ | _NiNJA_: wtf are you starting it as root? |
| 11:08.11 | Guerin | _NiNJA_: don't startx as root. |
| 11:08.40 | _NiNJA_ | Guerin: XFree86 starts ok .. ie grey screen .. X mouse pointer in middle of screen .. and then I cntrl-alt-backsp |
| 11:08.45 | Gargoyle | OK, any ideas on whats the best x server driver, I have intel integrated gfx 82865G |
| 11:08.49 | Gnea | _NiNJA_: don't do it as root. |
| 11:08.51 | Guerin | _NiNJA_: as user, echo "exec /usr/X11R6/bin/twm" >| ~/.xsession && startx |
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| 11:09.01 | jm_ | grgo;you need i810 crap |
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| 11:09.08 | jm_ | Gargoyle that was for you |
| 11:09.09 | Romano | webmin and webmin-bind juste apt-getted, i'm getting "Can't locate ./bind8.pl in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 ..." when i'm trying to access the module |
| 11:09.15 | Exit83 | hello everyone |
| 11:09.16 | Gargoyle | Ta |
| 11:09.18 | Gargoyle | :) |
| 11:09.26 | Guerin | Romano: consider yourself lucky. |
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| 11:09.37 | Romano | Guerin: what do u mean ? |
| 11:09.46 | jm_ | heh |
| 11:09.52 | tralala | Romano: they hate webmin here |
| 11:09.53 | Guerin | Romano: the fates are preventing you from using webmin. You are blessed! |
| 11:10.00 | Romano | ah. |
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| 11:10.05 | Romano | :) |
| 11:10.07 | Gnea | heh, webmin... |
| 11:10.09 | Guerin | Romano: don't anger the fates by trying to subert their will. |
| 11:10.11 | Gnea | oh shitskis |
| 11:10.11 | tralala | Romano: not without any reasons I must say |
| 11:10.17 | yakmans | yogyakarta |
| 11:10.21 | Guerin | yakmans: please to fucking a yak |
| 11:10.23 | scar_ | >> You must install ncurses-devel in order .... what package is it exactly? |
| 11:10.33 | Gnea | !ops yakmans |
| 11:10.34 | Guerin | !make menuconfig |
| 11:10.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: yakmans |
| 11:10.34 | dpkg | If make menuconfig doesn't work because it says ncurses isn't installed, but ncurses is installed, you need to do 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev' |
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| 11:10.37 | jm_ | scar_: you can't read? |
| 11:10.56 | tralala | Romano: it will make it easy for you to configure your system but will leave it *unsecured*. If you're fine with that go for it. |
| 11:11.09 | Guerin | webmin also makes you stupid |
| 11:11.13 | Romano | tralala: it's a little home webserver :) |
| 11:11.16 | scar_ | jm_, well, I can E: Couldn't find package ncurses-devel |
| 11:11.23 | Romano | Guerin: i configured my dns server by hand |
| 11:11.28 | sussudio | webmin causes anal leakage. |
| 11:11.32 | jm_ | scar_: I wasn't refering to that - but I told you what to do 10 minutes ago |
| 11:11.33 | nkuttler | scar_: apt-cache search libncurses dev |
| 11:11.35 | Guerin | Romano: then configuring apache should be a breeze! |
| 11:11.37 | Romano | but it will be easier with webmin |
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| 11:11.44 | nuxx | hey, which permissions should my /var/spool/samba directory have, when smb.conf is set to (guest=ok, guest account=nobody) |
| 11:11.47 | Romano | i also configured apache by hand |
| 11:11.52 | tralala | Romano: if it is offline or well firewalled you're ok, but you *have* *been* *warned*! |
| 11:11.55 | Gnea | webmin causes yakmans to keep trolling |
| 11:11.59 | Romano | anyway i can't get rewrite engine working :) |
| 11:12.03 | Guerin | !blame webmin |
| 11:12.13 | tralala | :) |
| 11:12.20 | Romano | if someone could help on this point :p |
| 11:12.32 | tralala | Romano: are you running sid? |
| 11:12.40 | Romano | yes :> |
| 11:12.46 | tralala | too bad |
| 11:12.48 | Romano | i love to be in danger :D |
| 11:12.48 | Guerin | Romano: http://httpd.apache.org/ |
| 11:13.02 | pitillo | scar_, libncurses5-dev? |
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| 11:13.09 | yakmans | try join#yogyakarta |
| 11:13.12 | zimnyx | hello |
| 11:13.15 | Romano | Guerin: i already rtfmed, googled, all u can do |
| 11:13.22 | tralala | !ops yakmans fucking trolls us |
| 11:13.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: yakmans fucking trolls us |
| 11:13.37 | Romano | i've "ln -s rewrite /etc/apache2..." |
| 11:13.41 | Gnea | !ops yakmans doesn't stop |
| 11:13.41 | Romano | then relaunched apache |
| 11:13.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: yakmans doesn't stop |
| 11:13.45 | Guerin | tralala: c'mon, they've been notified already |
| 11:13.46 | Romano | but it doesn't work :/ |
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| 11:13.52 | Romano | i don't understand why |
| 11:13.59 | Guerin | Romano: heh, apache2 I can't help you with |
| 11:14.09 | _NiNJA_ | Theres what looks to be 2 global files .. /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc /etc/X11/Xsession .... the xinitrc has in it ... . /etc/X11/Xsession on one line .. next line is exec olvwm |
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| 11:14.41 | Guerin | _NiNJA_: those files are ignored if ~ files exist |
| 11:14.41 | jm_ | _NiNJA_: no, don't do that |
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| 11:14.44 | tralala | Guerin: yeah, ok |
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| 11:14.49 | Romano | is there a channel dedicated to unsecure and crazy users ? :p |
| 11:14.56 | Guerin | Romano: #fedora |
| 11:15.00 | pureone | hehe |
| 11:15.02 | pitillo | xD |
| 11:15.02 | tralala | haaaa! :) |
| 11:15.05 | _NiNJA_ | Guerin: I'll try what u suggested starting X as a users and creating the .xsession file on the fly |
| 11:15.07 | Romano | :/ |
| 11:15.12 | Exit83 | Guerin: hehee, fedora |
| 11:15.16 | klaa | I tried with Protocol Auto and Device /dev/psaux, my mouse still doesn't work. (It's optical, does this have anything to do with it?) |
| 11:15.26 | tralala | Romano: sid is not supported here. /msg dpkg break to see why |
| 11:15.53 | Guerin | klaa: try protocol imps/2 - also try using /dev/input/mice. What sort of mouse? |
| 11:16.10 | klaa | It's Microsoft Wheelmouse Optical, 2button + wheel |
| 11:16.19 | Guerin | tralala: sid IS supported here, but only for people who've RTFM and show some willingness to help themselves |
| 11:16.21 | jm_ | I bought a new mouse last week - it has lit scroller :P |
| 11:16.25 | Guerin | klaa: what plug? |
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| 11:16.30 | Guerin | jm_: wooo |
| 11:16.31 | klaa | PS/2 |
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| 11:16.40 | Guerin | klaa: modprobe psmouse |
| 11:16.42 | Gnea | tralala: Guerin is right |
| 11:16.53 | klaa | Guerin: ok |
| 11:16.53 | Romano | Guerin: what can i do more ? |
| 11:16.57 | zimnyx | i got dir /upload/ which is writable for all (samba-lan). what privileges (who should own it, what group, what chmod) whould have that dir? now when sombody from lan uploads file (vi samba) it's as nobody/nogroup. So me - non-roor user can't delete/edit them, and vice-versa if i locally copy files to /upload samba-lan-users can't delete/edit them. how can i resolve this problem? maybe create new group, add user nobody, and me to that gropu, and pr |
| 11:17.11 | jm_ | Guerin: http://www.gc-plus.de/img/large/sl-6181_1.jpg |
| 11:17.24 | Romano | the fact is i've read apache documentation, found some howto's via google, the only thing to do is to link the module in /mods-enabled |
| 11:17.28 | Romano | and it's what i've done |
| 11:17.33 | Guerin | Romano: honestly, I don't know anything about apache2. In apache1, it's a matter of loading the module and adding some rewrite rules to your hosts. |
| 11:17.43 | jm_ | Guerin: but the light is much more pronounced in reality, would be better without it, but mouse is pretty good otherwise so I decided to buy it despite this stupidity |
| 11:17.52 | yakmans | join#yogyakarta |
| 11:18.05 | Romano | who were u targetting when u were saying "and show some willingness to help themselves" ? o_O |
| 11:18.09 | Guerin | jm_: haha. That's been bog-standard on all mice for ages, ain't it? |
| 11:18.12 | Gargoyle | If the sysinfo thingie (you know the one!) report my gfx as PCI:*(0:2:0) is that exactly how I enter it in the config tool? |
| 11:18.24 | jm_ | Guerin: I haven't seen any other mice like this in the shops |
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| 11:18.43 | petemc | Gargoyle: you shouldnt need to put in the bus id, leave it blank |
| 11:18.48 | Guerin | Romano: i was explaining to tralala the conditions under which we DO support sid users. You seem to have made the cut, it's just that I can't help you because I don't know your topic. |
| 11:18.55 | Exit83 | Evil_Homer: :p |
| 11:19.02 | Evil_Homer | 'llo Exit83 |
| 11:19.10 | Guerin | jm_: both mine are like that.... including the MidgetMouse i use on my laptop |
| 11:19.12 | Romano | Guerin: ok, sorry then :) |
| 11:19.14 | Sadus | hello, i'm getting this error when i want to SSH: ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer |
| 11:19.18 | jm_ | Guerin: hehe |
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| 11:19.38 | tarzeau | bored? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/dd/ |
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| 11:19.42 | airox | hi |
| 11:19.42 | Guerin | Sadus: ssh -vvv; read server logs if you can |
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| 11:20.17 | ircdevil | hmmm times fonts are missing after upgrade - what package would that be? |
| 11:20.28 | Sadus | Guerin: |
| 11:20.28 | Sadus | debug1: identity file /home/sadus/.ssh/identity type -1 |
| 11:20.29 | Guerin | Gargoyle: running x86? |
| 11:20.30 | Sadus | debug1: identity file /home/sadus/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 |
| 11:20.30 | Sadus | debug1: identity file /home/sadus/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 |
| 11:20.31 | Exit83 | ircdevil: mssttcorefonts ?? |
| 11:20.31 | Sadus | ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer |
| 11:20.35 | jm_ | nice |
| 11:20.38 | Exit83 | ircdevil: msttcorefonts ?? |
| 11:20.39 | Guerin | Sadus: eejit. |
| 11:20.44 | analia | well. i tried several thinks. the lsof |grep grip is a very long list! |
| 11:20.46 | ircdevil | Exit83: got that |
| 11:20.48 | Gargoyle | Guerin: Yeah |
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| 11:20.56 | Gargoyle | Guerin: Just rebooting. |
| 11:20.59 | ircdevil | maybe the font string format changed? |
| 11:21.03 | Guerin | Gargoyle: leave pciid blank unless you have multiple video devices |
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| 11:21.19 | Sadus | ( 14:35 Guerin ) Sadus: eejit. |
| 11:21.20 | Sadus | ? |
| 11:21.23 | Exit83 | ircdevil: imaybe |
| 11:21.31 | Guerin | Sadus: don't paste; read the topic. |
| 11:22.09 | Guerin | !connection reset by peer |
| 11:22.09 | dpkg | it has been said that connection reset by peer is http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/11morbidbastid.jpg |
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| 11:22.49 | Gargoyle | :) |
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| 11:23.01 | Gargoyle | Getting better, upto 1024x768 :) |
| 11:23.01 | ircdevil | Can't find -*-helvetica-bold-o-normal--30-*-*-*-*-*-ISO8859-* |
| 11:23.02 | Exit83 | Poor R andersen |
| 11:23.06 | ircdevil | something is rotten |
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| 11:23.14 | Guerin | Sadus: connection reset by peer means that the remote host has shut the connection down summarily |
| 11:23.23 | ircdevil | is there a meta-package for installing all fonts? |
| 11:23.27 | jm_ | ircdevil: no |
| 11:23.28 | tarzeau | ircdevil: no |
| 11:23.36 | tarzeau | ircdevil: but all you need is ttf-junicode |
| 11:23.43 | ircdevil | hm |
| 11:23.43 | klaa | Now I tried it with Device imps/2, protocols dev/psaux and dev/input/mice. Not working. modprobe psmouse did nothing (at least I saw nothing to happen). Any tips? |
| 11:23.46 | _NiNJAG_ | Guerin: that crashed pc too |
| 11:23.47 | Guerin | Sadus: this can happen when the server gets bad info, or when the network is bad. You'd need to read server logs or do some sniffing to find out which, I guess. |
| 11:24.03 | Guerin | _NiNJAG_: did you purge and reinstall all of X? |
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| 11:24.34 | Guerin | Gargoyle: /msg dpkg hwinfo |
| 11:24.35 | ircdevil | i think it would be a nice thing with a meta-package for installing fonts ... |
| 11:24.47 | jm_ | ircdevil: and stupid too |
| 11:24.49 | hid3 | Is there any way to limit max outgoing traffic from centrain interfaces? Let's say I want eth0 allow only max 5 mB/s download speed.. |
| 11:25.00 | klaa | Guerin: it's not much help because of xfce4 I can't use alt+number to change windows in irssi. :( |
| 11:25.02 | tralala | ircdevil: create it then |
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| 11:25.08 | jm_ | hid3: read advanced routing howto |
| 11:25.15 | hid3 | thanks |
| 11:25.17 | Guerin | klaa: whyever not? |
| 11:25.30 | alexci | tralala: I don't undertsand what you are saying to me about the sourceforge mirror, you said this as if I had set them, but where would I have set these, I don't undertsand |
| 11:25.31 | Rage__ | klaa: use <esc> then number |
| 11:25.33 | klaa | Guerin: it just puts upper level numbers |
| 11:25.35 | ircdevil | jm_: and why is that? |
| 11:25.41 | Guerin | klaa: blame xterm, not xfce4 |
| 11:25.42 | klaa | oh thanks Rage__ |
| 11:25.48 | klaa | ok |
| 11:25.58 | jm_ | ircdevil: because I'm sure you don't care about japanese, chinese, korean and cyrllic fonts |
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| 11:26.21 | Guerin | klaa: but yeah, try combinations of imps/2 and /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice; you will need psmouse loaded |
| 11:26.24 | _NiNJAG_ | guerin: I guess thats my only choice ... if I purge and reinstall it ... do i manually check files in /etc/X11 etc to see they are all gone / clean them up ... what do u think? .. |
| 11:26.26 | llama32 | anyone know of a good [windows based] tool to create an image from a partition [ill settle for entire disk], and later on to write the image back? |
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| 11:26.36 | Xuse | japanese, chinese and korean fonts are the ones you need most! |
| 11:26.40 | Guerin | _NiNJAG_: just follow the instructions in |
| 11:26.42 | Guerin | !set up x |
| 11:26.42 | dpkg | i guess set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 11:26.46 | Kjetil | Is there someone in here using discover for hw detection ? |
| 11:26.55 | Guerin | !someone use |
| 11:26.55 | tralala | alexci: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 11:26.55 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:26.57 | ircdevil | jm_ well, there could be a set of meta-packages then - i would like one for europe |
| 11:27.09 | klaa | Guerin: I tried them already, and I did do dpkg psmouse, nothing seemed to happen |
| 11:27.22 | Guerin | klaa: modprobe psmouse; not dpkc |
| 11:27.24 | Guerin | g |
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| 11:27.26 | jm_ | ircdevil: apt-cache search font 8859-1 |
| 11:27.33 | alexci | tralala: I know about the source list but I have nothing uncomon in my source list, also I am still under woody |
| 11:27.54 | klaa | Guerin: oh yes, I meant modprobe psmouse, nothing happened, sorry about this confusion. |
| 11:28.03 | klaa | it just moved to another line |
| 11:28.16 | tralala | alexci: do you have sourceforge.net in your sources.list? |
| 11:28.23 | alexci | tralala: no |
| 11:28.45 | tralala | alexci: then find out why the hell is apt-get trying to download stuff from there |
| 11:28.48 | Guerin | klaa: modprobe usbhid, presuming 2.6 |
| 11:28.49 | ircdevil | jm_ unfortunately the package i was missing was - gsfonts-x11 ... bit if a lucky strike i found that out |
| 11:28.56 | Gargoyle | yay... thnx guys, now running at full power 1280x1024 :) |
| 11:29.03 | jm_ | ircdevil: uhmm those are Type1 fonts |
| 11:29.03 | alexci | tralala: I am telling you when I install msttcorefonts it ask me if I want it to download the font from me, I say yes and then I got the error |
| 11:29.25 | alexci | tralala: I think this is what the package indicate to apt |
| 11:29.31 | klaa | Guerin: yes I run 2.6, but my mouse is connected to ps/2 with a usb2ps/2 |
| 11:29.32 | ircdevil | jm_ that is what xfig uses - i guess |
| 11:29.37 | tralala | alexci: aaah, I see now. Then it's the packge itself that is downloading the fonts |
| 11:29.52 | Guerin | !pubtime |
| 11:29.53 | dpkg | pubtime is probably time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 11:29.55 | klaa | Guerin: so what could usbhid help? |
| 11:29.59 | tarzeau | bored? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/pp/ |
| 11:30.01 | Guerin | see you lot l8rz |
| 11:30.04 | tarzeau | !bored |
| 11:30.08 | alexci | tralala: yes |
| 11:30.14 | jm_ | ircdevil: indeed |
| 11:30.16 | Guerin | klaa: it CAN help, at times. Not sure if it will here. |
| 11:30.21 | tralala | alexci: in that case - locate the partial download that has failed, remove it and restart the installation |
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| 11:30.29 | Belboz99 | hey all |
| 11:30.35 | Exit83 | hello |
| 11:30.40 | Belboz99 | how do I configure Samba with Debian |
| 11:30.41 | Belboz99 | ? |
| 11:30.47 | klaa | Guerin: ok, I will try it, thanks again. If it doesn't work I will come to here again. (I want my mouse to work. =) |
| 11:30.54 | alexci | tralala: I have done this as you told me and it always do the same |
| 11:30.55 | Belboz99 | Debain seems to have made the smb.conf read only |
| 11:31.05 | Exit83 | did you do it as root Belboz99?? |
| 11:31.08 | klaa | Guerin: btw, what should modprobe say when I do modprobe psmouse or whatever? |
| 11:31.13 | Belboz99 | yeah |
| 11:31.21 | Belboz99 | I did it as root |
| 11:31.31 | Gargoyle | Any recommendations on a serial terminal, I need really basic functionality - just typing, no file transfers etc. ? |
| 11:31.33 | tralala | alexci: but I thought it is the debian package that has failed to download. Now I know it is not. |
| 11:32.07 | tralala | alexci: so you are looking for another download - the one that the package itself is trying to perform. |
| 11:32.13 | alexci | tralala: but it is useless that I try again since the error comes from the package that ask for a resource that is apparently no longer available |
| 11:32.15 | zimnyx | i got dir /upload/ which is writable for all (samba-lan). what privileges (who should own it, what group, what chmod) whould have that dir? now when sombody |
| 11:32.15 | tarzeau | Gargoyle: minicom |
| 11:32.18 | Kjetil | Gargoyle: minicom ? |
| 11:32.25 | zimnyx | from lan uploads file (vi samba) it's as nobody/nogroup. So me - non-roor user can't delete/edit them, and vice-versa if i locally copy files to /upload |
| 11:32.33 | zimnyx | samba-lan-users can't delete/edit them. how can i resolve this problem? mayb create new group, add user nobody, and me to that group, and proper chmod for /upload? |
| 11:32.47 | alexci | tralala: I see |
| 11:32.49 | jm_ | Gargoyle: apt-cache search serial terminal |
| 11:32.56 | Triffid_Hunter | Gargoyle: cutecom.. i couldn't get minicom to not think there was a dialup modem on the line |
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| 11:33.22 | jm_ | I haven't found a really usable serial terminal for linux |
| 11:33.36 | zimnyx | i set up samba so it crateas files 666and dirs 777, so i can locally edit/remove them. but samba users can't del those files uploaded by me locally. |
| 11:33.39 | tralala | alexci: it seems that the resource is available, but doesn't support resume |
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| 11:34.23 | tralala | alexci: if it is not you should search the bts for reports or fire one by yourself if there aren't any |
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| 11:34.39 | Gargoyle | Thanks guys... I am using the synaptic package manager! |
| 11:35.05 | alexci | tralala: to report a bug you mean ? |
| 11:35.10 | tralala | yeah |
| 11:35.17 | alexci | alright |
| 11:35.47 | tralala | but before you do that, be sure that there *really* is a problem |
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| 11:35.58 | alexci | tralala: sure |
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| 11:36.50 | Kjetil | Is there someone in here using discover for hw detection ? I am having a problem using reduce-xml, it only searches for 2.6 module names in the module file |
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| 11:37.18 | tralala | !anyone use |
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| 11:37.19 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:37.36 | Kjetil | ok, if you say so |
| 11:37.41 | codester | hi guys, can somebody give me a name of a terminal irc client |
| 11:37.46 | Kjetil | irssi |
| 11:37.50 | pureone | bitchx |
| 11:37.56 | Kjetil | epic |
| 11:37.58 | codester | thanks |
| 11:37.59 | jm_ | codester: apt-cache search irc client |
| 11:38.00 | codester | =] |
| 11:38.03 | eeyore- | bitchx |
| 11:38.05 | pureone | irc |
| 11:38.10 | Kjetil | ninjairc |
| 11:38.29 | eeyore- | telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 |
| 11:38.34 | Kjetil | nc |
| 11:38.34 | pureone | haha |
| 11:38.39 | tralala | :) |
| 11:38.40 | Kjetil | (netcat) |
| 11:38.44 | torgrimt_ | use Net::IRC; |
| 11:39.19 | tralala | !start an irc client holy war |
| 11:39.20 | dpkg | MS comic chat owns |
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| 11:39.31 | tralala | haaa! :) |
| 11:39.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
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| 11:40.05 | Exit83 | gaim |
| 11:40.07 | Exit83 | i use gaim |
| 11:40.18 | tralala | good |
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| 11:40.22 | negg | bad |
| 11:40.28 | Evil_Homer | xchat! :p |
| 11:40.30 | negg | hi all :) |
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| 11:40.36 | paulswm | !gaim |
| 11:40.36 | dpkg | i guess gaim is an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. |
| 11:40.38 | tralala | !start an irc-client war |
| 11:40.38 | dpkg | epic is amazing compared to tinyirc |
| 11:40.57 | paulswm | HArdy a terminal irc client |
| 11:41.05 | paulswm | Hardly* |
| 11:41.28 | eeyore- | can't sleep |
| 11:41.33 | tralala | even hardlier on-topic |
| 11:41.54 | codester | do you guys recommend reiser fs for a raid0 setup? |
| 11:42.03 | eeyore- | so, does debian has graphical installer now? |
| 11:42.04 | toresbe | tirc rocks |
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| 11:42.14 | eeyore- | codester: no, ext3 |
| 11:42.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | codester, is that mirror? ext3 |
| 11:42.23 | toresbe | the *real* tiny IRC client |
| 11:42.35 | tralala | codester: I do. But I take no responsibility whatsoever for the results. |
| 11:42.38 | eeyore- | codester: oh wait, raid0 ... ah well, you might as well use reiserfs since you obviously don't care about data security |
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| 11:42.40 | toresbe | written on and for tiny systems, runs on a PDP11. |
| 11:42.42 | codester | Kamping_Kaiser: nah strip |
| 11:42.54 | negg | vax? |
| 11:42.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | strip go ext3 |
| 11:43.10 | toresbe | negg: yeah, has been tested on VAXen too |
| 11:43.18 | eeyore- | Kamping_Kaiser: what if it's a piece of toast with jelly on top, still ext3? |
| 11:43.25 | negg | I prefer PDP-7 |
| 11:43.26 | codester | Kamping_Kaiser: ok thanks |
| 11:43.33 | toresbe | negg: Me too ;) |
| 11:43.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | eeyore, no then go NTFS |
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| 11:43.50 | toresbe | negg: http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/images/me.jpeg |
| 11:43.51 | negg | argh, that's a joke |
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| 11:44.00 | pureone | !start a fs war |
| 11:44.01 | dpkg | UFS is better than ext3!! |
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| 11:44.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | LOL |
| 11:44.24 | tralala | !lol |
| 11:44.25 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
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| 11:45.00 | negg | UFS is looking like a snail |
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| 11:45.32 | SIEG | wo kan ich deutch sprechen ? |
| 11:45.40 | negg | no |
| 11:45.40 | tralala | !de |
| 11:45.41 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 11:45.49 | paster | "nit_" at 200.138.211.191 pasted "Bug upgrading from woody to sarge" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/203 |
| 11:46.05 | Exit83 | !be |
| 11:46.05 | dpkg | somebody said be was Beryllium. Belgium, or the company who made BeOS |
| 11:46.12 | Exit83 | !nl |
| 11:46.13 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 11:46.14 | Evil_Homer | lol |
| 11:46.15 | Evil_Homer | :p |
| 11:46.23 | Exit83 | well, i wass curious |
| 11:46.25 | eeyore- | !atlantis |
| 11:46.32 | toresbe | oh, yeah, as opposed to plain #debian, which is a happy place for all |
| 11:46.32 | negg | beos ... aye... |
| 11:46.37 | Evil_Homer | haha |
| 11:47.00 | jm_ | nit_: that's odd |
| 11:47.16 | Exit83 | !mars |
| 11:47.16 | dpkg | methinks mars is at http://www.altara.org/mars.html (Java-based network services status monitor) or at http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/movpics/anim/anim.html |
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| 11:47.42 | eeyore- | is it too much to ask that the debian installer (graphical one) work remotely? |
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| 11:47.50 | pureone | !earth |
| 11:47.50 | dpkg | Welcome to Earth(R) a Subsidiary of Microsoft(R) |
| 11:47.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | haha |
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| 11:47.59 | Evil_Homer | lol |
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| 11:48.03 | toresbe | hah. |
| 11:48.03 | eeyore- | i plan to install a debian machine soon, and it's going to be done from inside knoppix, i think |
| 11:48.09 | Rickdangerous | anyone in #c++ |
| 11:48.09 | lvthn | Whats the main difference between Debian and Mandriva?? |
| 11:48.11 | Rickdangerous | ? |
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| 11:48.20 | tralala | !tell Evil_Homer about lol |
| 11:48.20 | eeyore- | Rickdangerous: why don't you just ask in here |
| 11:48.21 | mads- | Mandriva..? What is that..? |
| 11:48.23 | toresbe | lvthn: Debian doesn't suck :) |
| 11:48.27 | Exit83 | !mandriva |
| 11:48.27 | dpkg | from memory, mandriva is the new name (2005.04) of the merged Mandrake Linux and Connectiva Linux companies. |
| 11:48.29 | lvthn | and mandriva does? |
| 11:48.30 | Evil_Homer | yeah, i know :) |
| 11:48.35 | alexci | tralala: what is the difference between truetype and freetype ? |
| 11:48.38 | Rickdangerous | eeyore-, no I need to message the op of c++ |
| 11:48.53 | Rickdangerous | eeyore-, my dynamic ip is banned |
| 11:48.53 | toresbe | Rickdangerous: send it through me |
| 11:48.56 | Evil_Homer | tralala, i can't help it, i'm used to saying it :p |
| 11:48.59 | Rickdangerous | toresbe, ^ |
| 11:48.59 | lvthn | toresbe: Debian is kind of the best choice? |
| 11:49.08 | tarzeau | lvthn: yes |
| 11:49.08 | eeyore- | alexci: truetype is the technology. freetype is the implementation. |
| 11:49.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | was connectiva the one by SCO? |
| 11:49.13 | toresbe | oh, so you weren't acting an ass :P |
| 11:49.17 | toresbe | lvthn: well... |
| 11:49.19 | lvthn | ok thx |
| 11:49.20 | eeyore- | alexci: s/the implementation/an implementation |
| 11:49.20 | tarzeau | Kamping_Kaiser: no |
| 11:49.25 | Exit83 | tralala: even in real life he does it :( |
| 11:49.31 | lvthn | tarzeau: well what |
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| 11:49.35 | toresbe | lvthn: if you're not experienced with Linux... |
| 11:49.41 | tralala | alexci: iirc the former is a font standard while the later is a font server |
| 11:49.53 | alexci | eeyore-: ok so use I want use freetype, I need to install true type :) |
| 11:50.00 | nit_ | i've problems when upgrading my woody system to sarge. The package coreutils cannot install. cannot create backup link of `./bin/dir' before new version installation: Operation not permited. Can anyone help me? |
| 11:50.01 | eeyore- | alexci: there are other implementation of truetype, obviously |
| 11:50.10 | alexci | sure |
| 11:50.12 | alexci | thanks |
| 11:50.17 | tralala | Evil_Homer: well, at least now you know what everybody thinks when you're typing it |
| 11:50.17 | toresbe | lvthn: a friedly desktop is better... Like Mandriva or SuSE, but furthermost Ubuntu |
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| 11:50.21 | eeyore- | alexci: you can't "install truetype". you might "install truetype *fonts*" |
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| 11:50.40 | alexci | eeyore-: yes sure, although right now I can do neither |
| 11:50.47 | toresbe | lvthn: But if you want to fool around, or install under limited hardware conditions Debian can't be beat |
| 11:51.06 | klaa | Gronau: I have tried now once again both /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mouse with ImPS/2, neither of them works. Got any more tips? Others can help too ofcourse! |
| 11:51.14 | Evil_Homer | yeah :) i saw it, it's going to be hard, but i'll try tralala .. musn't ...say.. lo.. |
| 11:51.19 | Evil_Homer | :p |
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| 11:51.36 | lvthn | tarzeau: I used Fedora is it that more complicated then Fedora? |
| 11:51.36 | eeyore- | toresbe: wimp ... if you can't hack debian ... |
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| 11:52.09 | tralala | Evil_Homer: :) |
| 11:52.32 | eeyore- | lvthn: anything is better than fedora. outdate packages, kernel patched to hades and back, odd compilation choices, insufficient package database |
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| 11:52.33 | cthulfuego | Yes, fedora is more complicated than fedora. |
| 11:52.43 | Xuse | ?_? |
| 11:52.49 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: hey, istn i past midnight for you??? |
| 11:52.50 | ircdevil | what package do i need to get helvetica font in gimp? |
| 11:52.58 | cthulfuego | Exit83: nah |
| 11:53.01 | paulswm | I feel a new qotd coming on |
| 11:53.02 | cthulfuego | Fri Jun 10 21:53:01 EST 2005 |
| 11:53.07 | tarzeau | lvthn: debian is easier if you ask me |
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| 11:53.09 | cthulfuego | paulswm: don't you dare |
| 11:53.11 | ircdevil | gotit |
| 11:53.32 | Xuse | debian is easy-peasy, unless you have a lot of new hardware. =/ |
| 11:53.36 | Coke | Debian is very easy to use. Easiest multi purpose OS I ever used. |
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| 11:53.50 | paulswm | cthulfuego: But that is quite good! |
| 11:53.57 | cthulfuego | lvthn: To fuck up a stable debian box, you need malicious intent, mere inadequacy (like for fedora) doesn't cut it ;-) |
| 11:54.04 | cthulfuego | paulswm: try that |
| 11:54.06 | Xuse | or you have that nforce 4 crap like me |
| 11:54.19 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: or a crappy ATI card |
| 11:54.23 | lvthn | ok thx |
| 11:54.23 | Coke | Xuse: but is that problem really inherent to Debian or to Linux? |
| 11:54.32 | klaa | I can't get my mouse work in X. My mouse is MS Wheelmouse optical, 2 buttons+wheel. I have tried it with Protocol ImPS/2 with Devices /etc/psaux and /etc/input/mice, none of them has worked. Any help, tips, advices are welcome. Thank you. |
| 11:54.33 | cthulfuego | Xuse: That's just a tad too new, give it time. My nforce3 wokrs fabulously. |
| 11:54.36 | Exit83 | Coke: linux kernel :( |
| 11:54.39 | Xuse | Coke probably linux. |
| 11:54.52 | eeyore- | cthulfuego: what, does debian come with decent /etc/limits and /etc/security/limits.conf by default now? |
| 11:55.00 | Xuse | cthulfuego i have nforce4 working fine on debian now. |
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| 11:55.10 | Evil_Homer | don't blame linux.. blame the closed-source hardware manufacturers... |
| 11:55.11 | Coke | klaa: is it USB or PS/2? |
| 11:55.12 | Xuse | but it was annoying to get things working. |
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| 11:55.26 | klaa | PS/2 (with usb to ps/2 connector) |
| 11:55.28 | jethro | !blame Linux |
| 11:55.28 | lvthn | how many cds is Debian? |
| 11:55.41 | cthulfuego | eeyore-: it does at least come with a comprehensive update system and decent kernel compilation options. |
| 11:55.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | 12 iirc |
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| 11:55.49 | Xuse | lvthn best is to do a net install and only install what you want. |
| 11:55.55 | spdf | klaa, run lsmod, is psmouse loaded? |
| 11:55.57 | lvthn | kk |
| 11:55.59 | eeyore- | is non-us down again? |
| 11:56.02 | Coke | klaa: did you build your own kernel? |
| 11:56.06 | tarzeau | lvthn: 15 |
| 11:56.06 | cthulfuego | !non-us |
| 11:56.07 | dpkg | [non-us] where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 11:56.09 | paulswm | cthulfuego: Nah, I read back, and it actually was a good question :( |
| 11:56.18 | tarzeau | Kamping_Kaiser: 14 at least i think (maybe 13) |
| 11:56.21 | klaa | Coke: no I didn't, debian install did build it |
| 11:56.25 | tarzeau | eeyore-: it doesn't exist |
| 11:56.26 | cthulfuego | paulswm: Perhaps a comma. |
| 11:56.32 | jethro | !topicsmite eeyore- |
| 11:56.33 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon eeyore-. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 11:56.40 | jm_ | nit_: try installing it manually |
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| 11:56.47 | klaa | spdf: I tried to load psmouse with modprobe psmouse, nothing happened, it just jumped to a new line. |
| 11:56.51 | Gujiz | Anyone know how can i change port that bittorrent uses ? |
| 11:56.53 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i used to have non-us in there and it used to work up until today's update :-) admittedly i haven't updated in a month or two |
| 11:56.57 | eeyore- | tarzeau: is this new? |
| 11:56.57 | jethro | it's in the fucking /topic "non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main" |
| 11:57.09 | jethro | eeyore-: read the /topic ffs |
| 11:57.11 | eeyore- | jethro: hey! |
| 11:57.20 | cahoot | klaa: run lsmod now |
| 11:57.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | tarzeau, ok more then i thought |
| 11:57.27 | eeyore- | jetr: i'm trying not to get pissed |
| 11:57.51 | klaa | cahoot: ok I will. but if you guys got any more tips would be cool if you tell them now. |
| 11:57.54 | Coke | klaa: beats me. my mouse just works. |
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| 11:58.07 | jethro | !non-us is <reply> for those who can't read the damn /topic non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main. |
| 11:58.07 | dpkg | ...but non-us is already something else... |
| 11:58.10 | eeyore- | jethro: did somebody kick you in your sleep? |
| 11:58.19 | paulswm | !sedate jethro |
| 11:58.21 | paulswm | :P |
| 11:58.24 | cthulfuego | klaa: Never pick up a hot saucepan with bare hands. |
| 11:58.38 | Gujiz | Anyone know how can i change port that bittorrent uses ? |
| 11:58.41 | klaa | Well thanks spdf Coke and cahoot, I will go to test lsmod now. |
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| 11:58.46 | Exit83 | cthulfuego: hahaha!! |
| 11:58.47 | jm_ | Gujiz: yes, someone knows |
| 11:58.52 | klaa | cthulfuego: what is that supposed to mean? |
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| 11:58.58 | cahoot | klaa: no output from modprobe is usually a sign of success |
| 11:58.58 | Exit83 | klaa its a good tip |
| 11:59.01 | Coke | cahoot: my /dev/psaux is rw------- root root, yet my X process run as my user seem to be able to use the mouse even though it has no read rights for /dev/psaux and that's the device mentioned in XF86Config-4. How does that work? |
| 11:59.18 | TheJumbo | Is there any other way of disabling IPv6 other than recompiling kernel? |
| 11:59.19 | cthulfuego | dpkg: cmd: nonus (.*?) is ($moron): <reply> Hey, $moron, the topic says non-us doesn't exist anymore. Wheee! Ask me about 'non-us'. |
| 11:59.19 | dpkg | cthulfuego: okay |
| 11:59.36 | cthulfuego | klaa: good but unrelated tip. |
| 11:59.40 | cthulfuego | !nonus eeyore- |
| 11:59.41 | dpkg | Hey, eeyore-, the topic says non-us doesn't exist anymore. Wheee! Ask me about 'non-us'. |
| 11:59.47 | jethro | cthulfuego: is the non-us factoid up to date? I mean, do we care about woody anymore? |
| 11:59.57 | jm_ | TheJumbo: don't load the modules for it |
| 11:59.58 | klaa | cthulfuego: yes, but what do you mean with that? you can mean that what there reads or 1000 other things |
| 12:00.09 | sep | jethro: dont diss woody. ofcouse i care.! |
| 12:00.19 | jethro | !lart sep |
| 12:00.24 | TheJumbo | jm_: tried to unload them but they were used :-( |
| 12:00.44 | cahoot | Coke: not using /dev/input/mice i reality? |
| 12:00.45 | jm_ | TheJumbo: don't load them at boot - alias it to off |
| 12:00.59 | TheJumbo | jm_: whereabout? |
| 12:01.05 | cahoot | Coke: doh - disregard |
| 12:01.05 | paulswm | Well woody is supported for another year or so I think |
| 12:01.18 | jethro | ah. |
| 12:01.18 | sep | exactly |
| 12:01.26 | jm_ | TheJumbo: modutils/foo or modprobe.d/foo, depending on your kernel version |
| 12:01.29 | Xuse | wow they still support something so old |
| 12:01.30 | paulswm | !irritate jethro |
| 12:01.30 | dpkg | jethro: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound !!!1 |
| 12:01.37 | jethro | @annoy pau |
| 12:01.37 | ravenbird | pau: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 12:01.43 | jethro | !lart putty |
| 12:01.47 | sep | Xuse: for servers the slow release cyckle is a excelent thing |
| 12:01.53 | TheJumbo | jm_: 2.6.8 |
| 12:01.54 | paulswm | !tabcompletesmite jethro |
| 12:01.57 | paulswm | :P |
| 12:01.58 | jethro | :) |
| 12:02.05 | jethro | blame putty, not me :p |
| 12:02.05 | jm_ | TheJumbo: modprobe.d then |
| 12:02.35 | TheJumbo | jm_: file "aliases"? |
| 12:02.39 | Xuse | sep: yeah but no good for me. I'm not intrested in servers. I guess testing is the desktop users stable? ;p |
| 12:02.50 | jm_ | TheJumbo: well no, create your own so it won't be overwritten |
| 12:02.55 | paulswm | !qotd42 |
| 12:02.56 | dpkg | [qotd42] * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
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| 12:03.02 | TheJumbo | jm_: like commenting out line "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" ? |
| 12:03.21 | pureone | mmmm root |
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| 12:03.49 | kneet | TheJumbo, I've got it in modprobe.d/local - two lines - alias ipv6 off and alias net-pf-10 off (seemed to need both) |
| 12:03.50 | jm_ | TheJumbo: alias net-pf-10 off in some other file should help, otherwise try commenting it out there and also try solutions in /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 12:03.55 | klaa | I did run lsmod now, I can see psmouse there, mousedev. But still my mouse does not work! |
| 12:03.55 | ruxpin | who's got the oreilly regexp books? can you compare the pocted reference to the standard editionn? |
| 12:03.58 | jm_ | yeah that should work |
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| 12:04.06 | ruxpin | sorry, pocket edition |
| 12:04.14 | sep | Xuse: exactly, people have different needs, and i need the stability, predictability and security, before i need the latest gizmo support |
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| 12:04.31 | TheJumbo | jm_: Thanks, I will try that |
| 12:04.58 | CosmoDad | is there any good documentation on how to do traffic shaping with iptables and the CLASSIFY target? been looking around but couldn't find anything appropriate |
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| 12:06.02 | sep | CosmoDad: lartc.org they also have a irc channel |
| 12:07.00 | jm_ | klaa: do you have input module loaded? |
| 12:07.14 | llama32 | anyone know of some software to back up an entire [non-ntfs/fat] HD/partition in windows? |
| 12:07.22 | klaa | My mouse (ms wheelmouse optical (usb to ps/2)) still doesn't work. I have tried it with Protocol ImPS/2 and devices /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mouse. psmouse module is running |
| 12:07.30 | klaa | jm_: what is input module? |
| 12:07.31 | CosmoDad | sep: checked lartc.org but they don't seem to provide iptables examples... |
| 12:07.40 | eeyore- | is something up with mysql-doc package? seems to be marked as "obsolete" in sid (4.0.24-1) and there's no corresponding 4.0.24-10 version |
| 12:07.48 | jm_ | klaa: it's the input module ... |
| 12:07.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | llama32 cp? or over a network? |
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| 12:08.02 | jm_ | eeye;should be in non-free |
| 12:08.13 | klaa | jm_: and it's called input when I do lsmod? |
| 12:08.16 | eeyore- | llama32: why don't you just boot knoppix and dd? |
| 12:08.17 | jm_ | klaa: right |
| 12:08.27 | klaa | jm_: ok, just a sec, I will check |
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| 12:08.41 | eeyore- | jm_: i have "non-free" in my sources list ... let me check the repository itself |
| 12:08.42 | sep | llama32: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ dd.exe for win32 |
| 12:08.45 | Gargoyle | Thumbs up to all you debian peeps! This is working great! |
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| 12:09.13 | Rage__ | Yey for Debian! |
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| 12:09.24 | klaa | jm_: no, the input module isn't loaded, at least lsmod | grep input didn't show anything. |
| 12:09.34 | jm_ | eeyore-: I remember reading a bug report about this and they have decided that mysql docs are non-free |
| 12:09.35 | Gargoyle | oops |
| 12:09.36 | jm_ | klaa: load it |
| 12:09.42 | Gargoyle | Shame I can't use it! :) |
| 12:09.50 | klaa | jm_: ok, how can I set it to load itself after every boot? |
| 12:09.59 | jm_ | klaa: we'll get to that later |
| 12:10.06 | klaa | ok, brb |
| 12:10.21 | jm_ | why is he quiting IRC? |
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| 12:11.03 | sep | CosmoDad: perhaps this is more suited ? http://www.knowplace.org/shaper/examples.html |
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| 12:11.20 | klaa | mh, had to install screen this gets annoying |
| 12:11.21 | xoz | anyone using transmeta cpu and encounters random bad poly problem in X? |
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| 12:11.34 | klaa | jm_: well, there isn't such module called input |
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| 12:12.42 | jm_ | klaa: kernel-image-2.6-foo? |
| 12:12.47 | bal00 | can anyone tell me in which package is the command /usr/sbin/lpadmin ?? |
| 12:12.51 | eeyore- | hmm, gcc 4 now in sid. interesting. |
| 12:12.58 | Beccara | can anyone tell me where in make menuconfig i can find the SMP option for building a kernel |
| 12:13.03 | klaa | jm_: dunno what do you mean, I got 2.6 kernel, yes |
| 12:13.09 | negg | 4.0.0 is bad |
| 12:13.10 | jm_ | klaa: Debian kernel? |
| 12:13.17 | negg | 4.0.1 is good |
| 12:13.17 | klaa | jm_: yes |
| 12:13.35 | chealer | !tell bal00 about apt-file |
| 12:13.49 | eeyore- | negg: i'll wait until a 4.3.x, thanks |
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| 12:14.07 | negg | eeyore-: how about 3.4.4? |
| 12:14.16 | masoft | why I see /dev/tty/1 instead of /dev/tty1 ? |
| 12:14.20 | negg | eeyore-: or 3.4.5 ? |
| 12:14.26 | eeyore- | negg: using that right now, happy with it |
| 12:14.36 | bal00 | thanks |
| 12:14.39 | negg | ... |
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| 12:14.45 | eeyore- | masoft: udev/devfs, possibly |
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| 12:14.47 | chealer | negg: or a released version? |
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| 12:15.02 | CosmoDad | sep: been looking at that too, but it doesn't describe what the length is good for and how shaping is actually done (I guess it has something to do with --set-class but don't know how) |
| 12:15.08 | masoft | eeyore-, how can I disable it ? apt-get remove devfs ? |
| 12:15.12 | klaa | jm_: so do you have any suggestions? I should load the module to kernel? (I just don't remember how) |
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| 12:15.21 | sh4dowcat | anybody know a remote desktop client for Linux? |
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| 12:15.27 | eeyore- | masoft: why? you want udev/devfs |
| 12:15.30 | joris_ | I tought there was a way to automate/script the debian installation process... any hints where I could find the docs? |
| 12:15.34 | joris_ | sh4dowcat: rdesktop |
| 12:15.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | X |
| 12:15.52 | eeyore- | masoft: you should have both /dev/tty/* and /dev/tty*, one is probably a symlink to the other |
| 12:15.55 | abanggeh | whereis rc.local in debian?/ |
| 12:15.56 | jm_ | klaa: maybe it's built in, do you have mousedev module loaded? |
| 12:15.57 | chealer | sh4dowcat: KDE has krdc |
| 12:16.04 | klaa | jm_: yep |
| 12:16.05 | chealer | !tell abanggeh about rc.local |
| 12:16.18 | jimbo7 | hey does anyone know if gaim 1.3.1 has been packaged so that i can access it using apt? |
| 12:16.19 | masoft | eeyore-, ok |
| 12:16.23 | eeyore- | sh4dowcat: for connecting to Windows or what? |
| 12:16.42 | sh4dowcat | eeyore: yeah |
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| 12:16.55 | tarzeau | i wish freepats would get updated , one year old shit |
| 12:17.01 | eeyore- | sh4dowcat: joris_ is right, rdesktop or stick grdesktop on top of it for nicer interface |
| 12:17.02 | masoft | sh4dowcat, grdesktop |
| 12:17.05 | sep | CosmoDad: iptables only flag packets for shaping you still the tc to do the shape |
| 12:17.05 | chealer | !tell jimbo7 about pdo |
| 12:17.17 | sh4dowcat | ok thanks I'll check it out |
| 12:17.22 | jm_ | klaa: is the mouse listed in /proc/bus/input/devices ? |
| 12:17.46 | eeyore- | sh4dowcat: latest rdesktop supports 2003 protocol (deep screen, etc.) |
| 12:17.49 | klaa | jm_: I will check it. I just don't know how to detach screen in xterm :P |
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| 12:18.03 | eeyore- | sh4dowcat: so get latest one if possible, not sure what version is in woody/sarge |
| 12:18.10 | sh4dowcat | eeyore-: hm |
| 12:18.17 | masoft | what about VNC client for Gnome ? what do you recommend ? |
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| 12:18.23 | sh4dowcat | krdc only displays things in 16 colors |
| 12:18.25 | klaa | nvm I found out hehe |
| 12:18.27 | Rage__ | How do you install debian packages in windows XP SP2? |
| 12:18.28 | sh4dowcat | which is umm... annoying |
| 12:18.33 | jm_ | klaa: why would you need to detach it? start another xterm |
| 12:18.37 | eeyore- | vnc is a pig, compared to remote-desktop |
| 12:18.42 | sh4dowcat | Rage__: are you trolling? |
| 12:18.49 | masoft | Rage__, with VM :D |
| 12:18.52 | Rage__ | lol, sorry. |
| 12:18.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | I've had that question before ;O |
| 12:18.59 | tralala | !lol |
| 12:18.59 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 12:19.00 | CosmoDad | sep: hmm really? I thought that's what makes the difference between -j MARK and -j CLASSIFY |
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| 12:19.13 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
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| 12:19.16 | chealer | Rage__: you reboot it, and boot debian |
| 12:19.21 | sh4dowcat | is there any rdp client that lets you go beyond 256 colors? |
| 12:19.22 | Rage__ | You have to love it. |
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| 12:19.32 | sh4dowcat | nm |
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| 12:19.35 | jm_ | sh4dowcat: rdesktop? |
| 12:19.36 | CosmoDad | sep: but you seem right, iptables just creates a class, not applying a discipline as it seems |
| 12:19.37 | eeyore- | sh4dowcat: yes, rdesktop, recent version |
| 12:19.38 | jimbo7 | how do i get packages from the testing dist if im using sarge? i have a line in my sources file for testing but i cant see the new gaim there |
| 12:19.41 | klaa | jm_: it's a bit hard without mouse. Anyway, it is listen in there. |
| 12:19.47 | Gnea | has anyone here ever used an HP Netteligent Switch? Might get one but wanna read some documentation... google isn't turning up much... |
| 12:19.48 | eeyore- | sh4dowcat: i thought i just said that |
| 12:19.55 | klaa | jm_: listed* |
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| 12:20.08 | jm_ | klaa: ok, now do this - od /dev/input/mouse0 and move the mouse, then press ctrl-c to stop od |
| 12:20.20 | chealer | jimbo7: do you know what's testing? gaim 1.3.1 was released *today*. it *can't* be in testing |
| 12:20.26 | goki | Does anyone know whether a tun0 network device should appear in the Gnome network settings control panel? |
| 12:20.26 | klaa | jm_: what does od do? |
| 12:20.28 | sep | CosmoDad: iv never used iptables in that fashion so i could be wrong ofcours |
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| 12:21.00 | sh4dowcat | heh great |
| 12:21.01 | sh4dowcat | finally |
| 12:21.02 | jimbo7 | chealer: sorry im new here, i looked on the package listing and it only has gaim 1.2.1 |
| 12:21.03 | jm_ | klaa: man od |
| 12:21.13 | sh4dowcat | thanks eeyore- |
| 12:21.16 | chealer | jimbo7: look on pdo |
| 12:22.00 | jethro | !sedate me |
| 12:22.02 | klaa | jm_: it says that I can't access it (in finnish lupa evätty) |
| 12:22.06 | CosmoDad | sep: it all sounds logical. Thanks for the starter, it's just now that I'm beginning to grasp the concept |
| 12:22.13 | klaa | jm_: actually, no permission or something |
| 12:22.17 | sepen | anyone can help me ? |
| 12:22.19 | jm_ | klaa: run it as root |
| 12:22.24 | jimbo7 | chealer: thanks ill have alook |
| 12:22.26 | klaa | jm_: ok |
| 12:22.32 | sepen | i have a pendrive and it crash with fdisk |
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| 12:22.56 | klaa | jm_: nothing happens |
| 12:23.03 | jm_ | klaa: no characters are printed? |
| 12:23.31 | sepen | i have a 512 Megas on my pendrive but only can detect 256M, anyone can help me?¿ |
| 12:23.43 | klaa | jm_: no, nothing |
| 12:23.57 | sepen | :| |
| 12:24.03 | jm_ | klaa: did you leave od running while moving the mouse? |
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| 12:24.10 | klaa | jm_: yes |
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| 12:24.33 | klaa | jm_: I will test it again just to be sure |
| 12:24.34 | sh4dowcat | speaking of clones |
| 12:24.36 | eeyore- | jethro: i could do that |
| 12:24.44 | jm_ | klaa: how about if you use /dev/psaux? |
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| 12:25.05 | klaa | jm_: let's see |
| 12:25.26 | klaa | jm_: nothing happens |
| 12:25.28 | ttick | This isn't necessarily a debian question, but hey, it might be: Any machine on my network will eventually (5secs - 30mins) drop any TCP connection (usually telnet, irc, ssh, etc) randomly iff I have eDonkey2000 running somewhere on the network. All traffic goes through a Linksys router, and to an Adelphia ISP. Any clue how to figure out why the connections drop? |
| 12:25.41 | jm_ | klaa: do you have mousedev module loaded? |
| 12:26.04 | klaa | jm_: yes |
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| 12:26.19 | pureone | ttick check the routers logs |
| 12:26.23 | klaa | jm_: lsmod | grep mousedev shows mousedev and numbers |
| 12:26.25 | jimbo7 | i dont get it, if gaim_1.3.0-2_i386.deb is released, why isnt it in the debian repository? |
| 12:26.45 | ttick | pureone: hmm, Not really sure the router has longs, but what might i be looking for if it does? |
| 12:26.54 | klaa | jm_: maybe I should try to get out of xfce4 and X? |
| 12:26.54 | jm_ | klaa: I'm affraid I'm out of ideas then, it's listed in /proc/bus/... but we don't get any input from it |
| 12:27.04 | jm_ | klaa: well try it just to be sure |
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| 12:27.21 | klaa | jm_: but I got a problem in that, Im new to X and every time I kill it it restarts |
| 12:27.26 | jayson_I | ok bye tnx for help....:) |
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| 12:27.51 | chealer | jimbo7: it is in the debian repository. it's in testing |
| 12:27.54 | jm_ | klaa: ctrl-alt-f1 to get to console, X should be on alt-f7 |
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| 12:28.07 | jm_ | klaa: and stop your display manager |
| 12:28.09 | rage | Okay, this may seem like a silly question. What on earth is the insert key meant to do? |
| 12:28.10 | pureone | im not sure what your router logs, my one for instance will say if theres been flooding in the network, my network normaly goes down when im using bit torrent or amule and letting people download from me |
| 12:28.12 | xoz | klaa: modprobe usbmouse |
| 12:28.27 | klaa | xoz: it's plugged in ps/2 |
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| 12:28.28 | jm_ | I thought it's a PS/2 mouse |
| 12:28.30 | sh4dowcat | jimbo7: why are you so eager to use the new version right away anyway? |
| 12:28.45 | Evil_Homer | rage: it's the aldoing button in vi :p |
| 12:28.46 | eeyore- | pureone: maybe your router is not coping well for some reason |
| 12:28.47 | klaa | xoz: it is a usb mouse, kind of, but it uses usb to ps/2 adapter |
| 12:28.53 | gianiaz[away] | ttick: try lower the number of connections |
| 12:28.53 | klaa | same to you jm_ |
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| 12:29.03 | jm_ | klaa: maybe that's a problem - tried plugging it into USB port? |
| 12:29.13 | ttick | pureone: oh, it does have longs, hmm gotta figure out how to set them up, it's asking for an IP to send the logs to. Not sure what to set up on the other side to receive them. Guess I'll google. |
| 12:29.27 | rage | Ahhhhh :-) I see |
| 12:29.29 | klaa | jm_: why should I try to plug it in USB? shouldn't it work in PS/2 aswell? |
| 12:29.31 | rage | Ta Evil_Homer |
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| 12:29.35 | ttick | gianiaz: hmm, okay. Guess 400 is high? |
| 12:29.40 | EmleyMoor | What's the purpose, if any, of giving ext3 filesystems a "volume label">? |
| 12:29.40 | eeyore- | ttick: syslogd |
| 12:29.51 | hid3 | is it possible to find (and then delete) files larger/smaller than X mbytes using `find`? Didn't find anything related to that in 'man find'.. |
| 12:29.53 | jimbo7 | sh4dowcat: true, i dont really need it straight away, im just wondering if its my setup that is stopping me get the latest packages |
| 12:29.57 | gianiaz | ttick: don't know, but I read a similar error googling around |
| 12:29.59 | jm_ | klaa: I have no idea, I will test with the PS/2 adapter at home |
| 12:30.06 | eeyore- | EmleyMoor: /etc/fstab, LABEL=/foo /foo |
| 12:30.07 | gianiaz | try set 100 or 200 |
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| 12:30.19 | gianiaz | do you use emule or edonkey? |
| 12:30.19 | jm_ | klaa: either way, it seems it's recognized, because it's listed in /proc/bus |
| 12:30.26 | eeyore- | EmleyMoor: instead of /dev/obscure-part-# /foo |
| 12:30.28 | gianiaz | amule* |
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| 12:30.39 | ttick | eeyore-: oh, okay, I guess I'll google to figure it out. Thanks. Syslog, cool. |
| 12:30.44 | orhtej | eeyore-: would you mind explaining me why I got +q'ed on my docisland shell? is this because I told you to read the topic? |
| 12:30.55 | sh4dowcat | jimbo7: the *latest* packagesare in Debian Experimental |
| 12:30.57 | eeyore- | orhtej: you wanted to be sedated |
| 12:31.00 | sh4dowcat | and always will be |
| 12:31.13 | sh4dowcat | and no, you're not skilled enough to run packages off debian experimental |
| 12:31.13 | orhtej | eeyore-: that's op abuse imho. remove it please. |
| 12:31.18 | EmleyMoor | eeyore-: OK - is it OK for filesystems at 2nd level? e.g. if I make /usr/local a filesystem on its own, or should I always put it at the top and link to it? |
| 12:31.22 | ttick | pureone: yeah, that's basically what happens to me, bittorrent or others will drop all my TCP connections (w/o telling me :( ). |
| 12:31.25 | eeyore- | orhtej: maybe a bit later |
| 12:31.28 | klaa | jm_: well ok, but would be cool to use mouse in X, hehe. |
| 12:31.30 | orhtej | eeyore-: If I want something from you, I ll ask. I doubt it'll happen anytime soon. |
| 12:31.35 | ttick | pureone: have you found a way around it? |
| 12:31.40 | eeyore- | orhtej: likewise |
| 12:31.42 | orhtej | eeyore-: you're just a moron. |
| 12:31.45 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 12:31.50 | sh4dowcat | arguing with an op |
| 12:31.52 | sh4dowcat | great idea |
| 12:31.55 | jm_ | klaa: well that's a next step, first try without X and also try connecting it to an USB port |
| 12:32.18 | jharrisonwk | sh4dowcat: depends on the op |
| 12:32.28 | klaa | jm_: what changes should I do if I put it in USB? |
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| 12:32.39 | eeyore- | EmleyMoor: hmmm, you can mount a block device anywhere you want, even "on top of other filesystem" |
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| 12:32.52 | EmleyMoor | Fine :-) |
| 12:32.58 | eeyore- | EmleyMoor: so yeah, you can have /usr mounted, and mount something on /usr/local as well |
| 12:33.12 | pureone | ttick not really, i get disconnected every so often still, i just reset my router when it happens normaly, but keeping the speed people can download from me low seems to help a bit |
| 12:33.21 | jm_ | klaa: you will have to load usbmouse and usbhid modules as well as USB module for your hardware (say uhci_hcd) |
| 12:33.21 | eeyore- | EmleyMoor: *however* the tricky part comes when you then decide to "export" the parent mount point (say, in this case, /usr) |
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| 12:33.43 | EmleyMoor | eeyore-: Well, I won't be doing that anyway |
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| 12:33.55 | error403 | I am planning on running the latest Stable release of Debian on my laptop as both a desktop AND server OS... Should i be just installing the Desktop and Web Server packages, or should i start from the Base install and apt-get what i need? |
| 12:33.56 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 12:34.02 | eeyore- | EmleyMoor: because different UNIXes will have different ideas about what to do when you export a mount point and it has other devices mounted, too. specifically, in this case you may run into "/usr is exported but /usr/local is not" issue |
| 12:34.05 | da_bon_bon | anyone from india here ? |
| 12:34.14 | eeyore- | EmleyMoor: if you won't be doing that then you don't have to worry :-) |
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| 12:34.17 | sep | error403: start with base and aptitude what you need, |
| 12:34.35 | error403 | ok, thanks sep, i thought as much... |
| 12:34.43 | chealer | error403: depends your disk space. Desktop environment includes both KDE and gnome |
| 12:34.44 | klaa | jm_: and what protocol/device should I use for it? |
| 12:34.58 | chealer | error403: so if you know which one you know, just install that one |
| 12:35.10 | error403 | is there any reason why this time the installer didnt ask me for which kernel to install? |
| 12:35.12 | jm_ | klaa: protocol is ExplorerPS/2 for X, device is /dev/input/mice (the same device for all mice with 2.6 kernel) |
| 12:35.16 | ttick | pureone: hmm, I don't have to reset my router. I just get disconnected, and don't realize it until I try to interact with the other side. |
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| 12:35.35 | pureone | so how do you get connected again ? |
| 12:35.48 | jm_ | klaa: or ImPS/2 should also work (that's what kernel docs say anyway) |
| 12:36.03 | error403 | aha! linux26, got it |
| 12:36.09 | klaa | ok, I will shut my system down now and change it, wish me luck! =) |
| 12:36.24 | tzafrir_home | gdm users: any way to define auto-login by remote host name? (remote host is a dumb terminal. And yes, I know this is insecure) |
| 12:36.27 | jimbo7 | what line should i put in my sources file so i can access testing packages? |
| 12:36.33 | da_bon_bon | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.36 | klaa | jm_: should I do the changes to XFree86Config before I shutdown? |
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| 12:36.59 | tzafrir_home | Alternatively: any way to get decent logging from kdm? |
| 12:37.02 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: "auto login"? |
| 12:37.10 | jm_ | klaa: well it's probably a good idea if X starts at boot |
| 12:37.12 | error403 | chealer, i have loads of disk space, but i dont EVER use GNOME |
| 12:37.13 | mwilson | If the remote is a dumb terminal, what does that have to do with gdm? |
| 12:37.23 | error403 | and i want it to be fairly streamlined |
| 12:37.29 | klaa | jm_: well, ok.. I will try it, thanks for all your help! |
| 12:37.33 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: how does dumb terminal log in to gdm? |
| 12:37.34 | jm_ | klaa: no problem |
| 12:37.34 | klaa | jm_: hopefully see you soon |
| 12:37.46 | tzafrir_home | eeyore-, log in a user automatically. In this case set the user according to the remote host |
| 12:37.53 | ttick | pureone: I just re-telnet, re-ssh, or in generally just re-login. My http "connections" and such aren't really affected because they aren't persistant. |
| 12:38.04 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: but, gdm is *graphical* log in, with desktop and all |
| 12:38.13 | tzafrir_home | eeyore-, X terminal |
| 12:38.14 | ttick | pureone: if I'm not running a telnet/ssh client I would never even notice. |
| 12:38.31 | mwilson | tzafrir_home: Then it's not a dumb terminal, now is it? |
| 12:38.36 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: no, can't do that based on any host ... |
| 12:38.47 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: you can automatically log in a user on the *local* host |
| 12:38.55 | da_bon_bon | so -- no one INDIA here ? |
| 12:39.20 | tzafrir_home | eeyore- kdm has a per-host config section |
| 12:39.21 | pureone | ok, nothing like how i get disconnected then, when it happens to me my internal network stays ok but i wont beable to connect to anything outside |
| 12:39.34 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: and generally, when something is obviously a bad idea, people tend not to implement it :-) |
| 12:39.46 | Exit83 | why is file transfer from gaim to msn messenger always slow and from gaim to gaim at normal rates?? |
| 12:39.49 | ttick | pureone: oh, glad that doesn't happen to me! |
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| 12:40.05 | Xuse | da_bon_bon this isn't a dating channel. |
| 12:40.21 | da_bon_bon | Xuse: right. i am looking for the sarge cds. |
| 12:40.23 | da_bon_bon | : |
| 12:40.23 | pureone | exit83 because of the way msn and gaim work differntly |
| 12:40.24 | tzafrir_home | eeyore- , it is not such a bad idea. Think of kiosk workstations |
| 12:40.24 | tarzeau | !dff |
| 12:40.25 | dpkg | debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap |
| 12:40.28 | eeyore- | da_bon_bon: are you gonna break out in a song-and-dance routine now? |
| 12:40.36 | man_in_shack | why is there no unstable/sid branch in non-US now? |
| 12:40.40 | da_bon_bon | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry, with i am desperate to get cds |
| 12:40.47 | tarzeau | !non-us |
| 12:40.47 | dpkg | from memory, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 12:40.49 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: why do you need KDM on kiosk? |
| 12:40.51 | Exit83 | pureone: can you explain further pls? or give a URL or so |
| 12:40.59 | mwilson | man_in_shack: You mean why is there no non-us at all any more? |
| 12:41.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | da bon bon, message me, I'll send you some, from australia |
| 12:41.07 | da_bon_bon | eeyore-: if someone is from india here, and speaks up :0 |
| 12:41.07 | pureone | ok |
| 12:41.08 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: for kiosk, you just deal with xdm/XDMCP directly |
| 12:41.13 | mwilson | man_in_shack: Other than the documented fact that non-us is gone now? |
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| 12:41.27 | tzafrir_home | eeyore-, gdm/kdm on the server deal with xdmcp |
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| 12:41.34 | man_in_shack | mwilson, why did that happen? |
| 12:41.39 | tzafrir_home | on the terminal there is a crippeled xdm |
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| 12:41.43 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: you set your x terminal to connect directly to the server |
| 12:41.55 | mwilson | tzafrir_home: Thank you, we all know what an X-Terminal is. |
| 12:41.56 | klaa | jm_: oh my god I love you!! It works! =) |
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| 12:42.16 | mwilson | man_in_shack: Because non-us is in main now. |
| 12:42.17 | jm_ | klaa: excellent, no idea why it didn't work with the adapter, I'll test it at home out of curiosity |
| 12:42.23 | tzafrir_home | eeyore- , that generally works. It actually works with kdm, but there are "some problems" and I can't c=figure how to get decent logs from kdm |
| 12:42.24 | man_in_shack | oh |
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| 12:42.28 | klaa | jm_: ok, hehe |
| 12:42.49 | mwilson | <sigh> Yet another unstable user. |
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| 12:43.01 | tzafrir_home | and every kdm config change seems to require a restart (disconnect everybody) |
| 12:43.12 | pureone | when 2 msn clients try to send a file they both try to make 2 connections, 1 to the msn servers 1 direct other msn client.if the direct connection to the msn client fails it will send the file via the msn servers which is much slower |
| 12:43.21 | da_bon_bon | is kde 3.4 out in debian /? |
| 12:43.26 | pureone | on gaim you have to enable port forwarding for it to work correctly |
| 12:43.27 | mwilson | da_bon_bon: No. |
| 12:43.31 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 12:43.31 | man_in_shack | mwilson, ty |
| 12:43.32 | man_in_shack | mwilson, so i can take non-US out of my sources.list now? |
| 12:43.32 | Exit83 | pureone thx |
| 12:43.36 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: well, it's hard to restart a DM without losing existing connections |
| 12:43.43 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: then what does topic say about msging dpkg kde3.4 |
| 12:43.45 | pureone | the msn client doesnt need port forwarding enabled to make direct connections |
| 12:43.54 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: if you kill gdm/xdm, the sessions go away, too |
| 12:44.05 | mwilson | da_bon_bon: Dunno, why don't you actually bother DOING it, and then you will know? |
| 12:44.15 | tzafrir_home | eeyore- , which is why they invented SIGHUP |
| 12:44.17 | klaa | jm_: Now Im just wondering how do I set the right resolution in XFree86Config, I mean that I don't want to use these low resolutions at all, only 1280. Any idea how to set it? |
| 12:44.25 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: i get no response from dpkg on doing it.. |
| 12:44.29 | tzafrir_home | eeyore- , which is why they invented SIGHUP abuse, that is |
| 12:44.29 | da_bon_bon | :>P |
| 12:44.40 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: yeah well :-) it's not doing what its name implies |
| 12:44.54 | jm_ | klaa: make sure it's listed first and then it will be the default, or select just that resolution and ignore the others (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) |
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| 12:45.19 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: seriously, your X terminal ought to be capable of going directly to a host and not use xdmcp-query |
| 12:45.24 | klaa | jm_: I wouldn't mind reconfiguring it again now when the mouse works. |
| 12:45.31 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: uh, broadcast i mean |
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| 12:45.46 | jm_ | klaa: ahh you have edited the file manually? then dpkg-reconfigure won't work anyway |
| 12:45.49 | Angelo-_ | is there a webpage that lists the packages currently in sid? |
| 12:45.49 | tzafrir_home | eeyore-, the X terminals are dumb. They all boot from the same image |
| 12:45.55 | klaa | jm_: Is it the SubSection "Display"? |
| 12:45.57 | sep | !pdo |
| 12:45.57 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. |
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| 12:46.05 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: doesn't it have boot parameter you can supply? |
| 12:46.25 | jm_ | klaa: yes, make sure you picked the one for your actual ColorDepth |
| 12:46.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | what file do i have to edit to get the SATA modules to load before mount happens? IE not with hotplut? |
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| 12:46.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | *hotplug? |
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| 12:46.36 | jm_ | klaa: sorry, it's called DefautlDepth with xf4 |
| 12:47.03 | eeyore- | tzafrir_home: yout mean it's always going to want to xdmcp-broadcast to find available hosts? that maybe "OK" but hardly flexible enough |
| 12:47.04 | EmleyMoor | Kamping_Kaiser: For what do you use SATA? |
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| 12:47.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | the servers /home directory |
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| 12:47.38 | EmleyMoor | Kamping_Kaiser: On an internal, fixed disk? |
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| 12:47.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | emleymoor, yes |
| 12:47.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | 2 of them |
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| 12:48.11 | EmleyMoor | You could add the module name to /etc/modules |
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| 12:48.21 | hail04 | greetings |
| 12:48.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | emleymoor, on one is the work, and the other is the /home s |
| 12:48.22 | klaa | jm_: there is these SubSection "Display"'s for every Colodepth, is it ok if I just uncomment the ones I don't need? |
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| 12:48.34 | jm_ | klaa: of course |
| 12:48.42 | tzafrir_home | eeyore- , this is not the point. terminals all boot from the same image. I want to keep them with minimal changes. |
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| 12:48.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | emleymoor, thanks |
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| 12:49.33 | klaa | jm_: then another question, how do I change my mouses sensitivity + acceleration? |
| 12:50.02 | jm_ | klaa: man xset |
| 12:50.12 | Exit83 | klaa: gnome start => apllications > preferences |
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| 12:50.21 | Exit83 | klaa if you are using gnome :s |
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| 12:50.46 | Fuwex | I've got a bunch of files programmed in C++ that I need to compile (*.o, *.cpp and *.h files) . So, I was wondering how to compile them with g++? |
| 12:50.54 | klaa | Exit83: I use xfce4 |
| 12:51.13 | klaa | oh nvm guys, there is settings window |
| 12:51.14 | Exit83 | klaa then do jm_ suggestion :d man xset |
| 12:51.17 | mwilson | Fuwex: Gotta build those 'sploits, huh? |
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| 12:51.57 | Fuwex | All I know is that I have to compile them ^^ I have no knowledge of programming or compiling C++ |
| 12:52.01 | Exit83 | im off, bye |
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| 12:52.28 | mwilson | Fuwex: So you're just a kiddie, then? |
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| 12:52.35 | Fuwex | guess I am |
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| 12:52.48 | Fuwex | just got some source code that needs to be compiled, just gonna test something |
| 12:52.54 | _NiNJA_ | !rescue disk |
| 12:52.54 | dpkg | hmm... rescue disk is useful if you borked your root partition on the harddrive. Boot the rescue disk with "linux single" or "linux root=/dev/hdaX" |
| 12:53.07 | klaa | jm_: how do I change the resolution to the next in the config? my monitor is starting to make strange voices! |
| 12:53.12 | _NiNJA_ | !make rescue disk |
| 12:53.16 | mads- | !compile |
| 12:53.16 | dpkg | tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg |
| 12:53.27 | jm_ | klaa: ctrl-alt-<numpad - or numpad +> |
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| 12:53.51 | tmb | Does anybody know what happened to Gnome in Debian/Unstable? gnome-core (and dependencies) disappeared after the last upgrade and won't install anymore. Any workarounds? |
| 12:53.51 | klaa | hmm, this recognizes only 640 and 800 |
| 12:54.08 | klaa | jm_: how can I restart this X or smth, so I can load the config file again? |
| 12:54.21 | Fuwex | mwilson, you know what I have to do? All tutorials I find are just for one .cpp file |
| 12:54.21 | rodrigooo_ | hi! I compiled the kernel 2.6 on a ia64 machine that is running debian. but when the system inicialize just appear "Uncompressing linux (done) .... Uncompressing initrd.img (here stop!!!)" and the system doesn`t boot up.... anybody know what can be? |
| 12:54.24 | jm_ | klaa: /etc/init.d/*dm restart |
| 12:54.27 | _NiNJA_ | alt-control-backspace |
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| 12:55.36 | klaa | jm_: thanks, now it's a lot better, the font is just so small that I hardly can read it |
| 12:55.53 | jm_ | klaa: what's your DPI set to? |
| 12:55.55 | Ubuntian | please can someone help me on the following: I'm trying to share a printer between two debian computers, i read a wiki for cups that says : A line that has "Listen 127.0.0.1:631" can be replaced by "Port 631" to listen on all network interfaces: does that mean that i have to replace the WHOLE line with "Port 631" or does that mean that i have to replace only the end so that it looks like: "Listen Port 631"? |
| 12:56.00 | eeyore- | mwilson: :-) |
| 12:56.03 | Evil_Homer | you should install the 100dpi fonts klaa |
| 12:56.05 | Evil_Homer | :) |
| 12:56.16 | klaa | jm_: how can I see it? |
| 12:56.18 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 12:56.23 | eeyore- | mwilson: this is too funny |
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| 12:56.37 | jm_ | Ubuntian: change it to Port 631 |
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| 12:56.44 | mwilson | eeyore-: What is? |
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| 12:56.56 | Ubuntian | jm_, the whole line? |
| 12:57.00 | eeyore- | mwilson: "i have to compile some .cpp file to 'test something'" |
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| 12:57.13 | jm_ | klaa: xdpyinfo|grep resolution |
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| 12:57.16 | jm_ | Ubuntian: yes |
| 12:57.18 | mwilson | <sigh> I don't have time this morning to figure out what the portmap maintainer has broken THIS time. |
| 12:57.28 | mwilson | So much for upgrading THAT box. |
| 12:57.31 | Ubuntian | jm_, thank you |
| 12:57.36 | Fuwex | eeyore-, didn't really find it funny though |
| 12:57.39 | SuNeViL | there any problem with libgcrypt7 on stable?? |
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| 12:57.42 | _demoncat_ | hey, I have a couple of debian and windows machines, and I was wondering if there was one way of consolidating all their network shares into one namespace? |
| 12:57.45 | klaa | jm_: it says 100x100 |
| 12:57.51 | SuNeViL | i cant install with netinstall |
| 12:57.55 | jm_ | Ubuntian: no problem |
| 12:57.59 | mwilson | _demoncat_: What is that even supposed to mean? |
| 12:58.00 | eeyore- | Fuwex: if you're going to try to break someone's computer, you could at least learn how to do it yourself |
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| 12:58.23 | Fuwex | eeyore-, you probably want me to learn C++ just for compiling a source I found? |
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| 12:58.23 | jm_ | klaa: sounds good enough to me, try ps auxw|grep X, see if it has any -dpi switches on command line |
| 12:58.24 | PhongLe | i'm looking for a irc channel to discuss session initiation protocol of VoiP |
| 12:58.31 | EmleyMoor | What's a good way to put my existing grub config onto a new disk, having copied all the files over into the right relative places? |
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| 12:58.42 | Fuwex | eeyore-, it's my computer atleast, now, you know what to do? If so, I'd appreciate some help :) |
| 12:59.08 | Evil_Homer | no Fuwex , actually, we want you do die a slow and terrible death :p |
| 12:59.13 | error403 | heh, good one having the bot auto-reply to someone logging in as root |
| 12:59.13 | mwilson | Fuwex: Sure it is. |
| 12:59.16 | _demoncat_ | mwilson_: I want to have multiple computers with diff hard drives, make it look like one file system from all computers |
| 12:59.30 | eeyore- | PhongLe: isn't that part of H.323 gatekeeper specs? (SIP, session-initiation protocol) |
| 12:59.37 | PhongLe | uh |
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| 12:59.58 | klaa | jm_: there is one that says -dpi 100 but there is other line before it which has long list of commands or something |
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| 13:00.24 | jm_ | klaa: well try lowering this value |
| 13:00.24 | Fuwex | How come everyone's so hostile to newbs? Looks like there's no help to find here, for once, used to be such a great source of information. Cya guys |
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| 13:00.39 | klaa | jm_: exactly how? |
| 13:00.51 | eeyore- | mwilson: when someone is being real secretive about what the ".cpp source" is for, you just *know* :-) |
| 13:00.57 | jm_ | klaa: are you using GNOME? |
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| 13:01.37 | klaa | jm_: Im using xfce4 |
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| 13:01.44 | caphuso | ///lc |
| 13:01.47 | caphuso | oops |
| 13:01.54 | eeyore- | caphuso! |
| 13:02.00 | ircdevil | is there not a global setting somewhere to chose ansi colors for dark background - for now i have dark chars on dark background ? |
| 13:02.28 | Lonely_________y | hii |
| 13:02.30 | ircdevil | is that a xterm setting? |
| 13:02.31 | klaa | jm_: I seemed to be able to change the font in xfce but not in terminals (xterm?) |
| 13:02.57 | Lonely_________y | #gim |
| 13:03.23 | eeyore- | klaa: xterm, control left-click i think, or try some other combinations of control-alt/left-right clicks, one of them will bring up a font menu :-) (not many, just small/medium/large) |
| 13:03.41 | eeyore- | klaa: or, you can also "xterm -fn <fontspec>", i think. been a long time since i used plain xterm |
| 13:03.50 | caphuso | it's ctrl-rightclick |
| 13:04.43 | eeyore- | caphuso: thank you :-) my X has been broken lately *sniff* |
| 13:04.45 | jm_ | klaa: xterm has defaults set via X resources |
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| 13:04.56 | klaa | eeyore-: -fn seems to be bad command line option |
| 13:05.19 | eeyore- | klass: see what it accepts for setting fonts. if all else fails, edit your X resources :-) |
| 13:05.26 | caphuso | eeyore-: well, fix it. can't be that hard :) |
| 13:05.28 | klaa | jm_: and where is that located and how is that edited? |
| 13:05.29 | eeyore- | klass: gnome-terminal, seriously |
| 13:05.29 | mwilson | klaa: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 13:05.48 | error403 | ARGH! I installed KDE without installing xfree86 >.< |
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| 13:05.53 | eeyore- | caphuso: unfortunately, yeah. it's xorg-x11 and nvidia_drv.o now has unresolved symbols for some reason |
| 13:05.54 | brosio | how could install explorer with wine ? |
| 13:06.11 | klaa | eeyore-: your ctrl + rightclick works, thanks |
| 13:06.12 | caphuso | eeyore-: ouch |
| 13:06.39 | eeyore- | caphuso: and i can't upgrade nvidia driver because v 6629 is the last one that runs stable on my laptop (and for many people, too). the 71xx+ versions locks up randomly |
| 13:07.07 | error403 | Am i right in saying i should install x-window-system and THEN kde-core? |
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| 13:07.43 | hmmm | how can i mount ext3 partition with write access for normal user, mount -t ext3 -o users,owner,umask=000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda doesnt seem to be working |
| 13:07.49 | mwilson | error403: No... what difference would it make which order you do it in? |
| 13:07.53 | eeyore- | i'm beginning to dislike nvidia |
| 13:07.54 | WiFiTux | Is there a way, that when I do apt-cache search, for it to not display the lib packages? or will I have to make a grep script? |
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| 13:08.10 | caphuso | eeyore-: and the "nv" driver doesn't work either? |
| 13:08.17 | beeblebrox87 | what is the status of the mirror split? |
| 13:08.17 | eeyore- | caphuso: it does, but slow :-) |
| 13:08.31 | error403 | mwilson, ok, i shouldnt have a problem then |
| 13:08.32 | eeyore- | caphuso: i suppose it could tie me over until i get a clue or two :-) yeah |
| 13:08.49 | vaelek | does anyone know if there is an sit (StuffIt) expander available for debian/*nix? |
| 13:08.49 | error403 | woohoo!!! Xserver started! |
| 13:08.51 | error403 | :D |
| 13:08.53 | xoz | WiFiTux: apt... | grep -v lib |
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| 13:09.01 | mwilson | vaelek: There isn't. |
| 13:09.01 | caphuso | eeyore-: running slow is still faster than running not at all |
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| 13:09.15 | klaa | eeyore-: just a question, when I right click with ctrl and set the font, how can I set the font I chose the default? |
| 13:09.25 | eeyore- | klaa: X resources |
| 13:09.33 | eeyore- | caphuso: on that note, i should go off to bed :-) |
| 13:09.34 | eeyore- | night |
| 13:09.43 | caphuso | eeyore-: g'night |
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| 13:10.23 | singe | can someone suggest a way to fulfill the mail-transport-agent dependency that allows me to use an existing mailserver on my network? |
| 13:10.24 | directhex | !ops, ilayda == spambot |
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| 13:10.37 | jm_ | singe: any non-simple MTA shall do |
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| 13:11.10 | singe | jm_: but I don't want an mta, I just want it to use my organisational smtp server. |
| 13:11.19 | jm_ | singe: you have to use a MTA |
| 13:11.21 | hmmm | can someone help me with the mount option for ext3 partition so normal user can write to it? mount -t ext3 -o users,owner,umask=000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda doesnt seem to work |
| 13:11.30 | mwilson | jm_: I'm sure he thinks he should talk to the remote smtpd directly, rather than correctly configuring his local box. |
| 13:11.31 | caphuso | hmmm: there is no such thing |
| 13:11.46 | singe | jm_: can you suggest one smaller and less log noisy than courier? |
| 13:11.47 | error403 | which is better, Xorg or xFree86 ? |
| 13:11.51 | caphuso | hmmm: it's a sane filesystem, you use chmod/chown/chgrp |
| 13:11.56 | singe | error403: depends on what you are trying to do? |
| 13:12.08 | nanok | singe: you can use your mail client MTA, or teach your mta to use the "organizational" one as a "smart-host" |
| 13:12.11 | directhex | error403, xorg, but it's not in debian yet |
| 13:12.11 | mwilson | error403: Define "better". |
| 13:12.11 | hmmm | caphuso: oh ok, thanks i thought it would be like vfat |
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| 13:12.19 | streuner | error403: in most cases xfree is good enough to solve most problems |
| 13:12.25 | error403 | ok, thanks |
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| 13:12.29 | error403 | was just wondering |
| 13:12.36 | klaa | jm_: any idea where I can edit these so called 'X resources'? |
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| 13:12.45 | sep | singe: any mta can configure as that, but the nullmailer mta package does only that |
| 13:12.50 | singe | error403: xorg is horrible right now while they move over to modules, the debian xfree packages are far more stable. |
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| 13:13.00 | singe | sep: thank you, that's what i was looking for |
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| 13:13.04 | xoz | hmmm: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 13:13.07 | error403 | ok singe thanks |
| 13:13.13 | jm_ | singe: nullmailer masqmail ssmpt - but exim is not that veay either |
| 13:13.26 | jm_ | klaa: you can put it in ~/.Xresources |
| 13:13.44 | streuner | dpkg, seen gravity |
| 13:13.44 | dpkg | gravity <~david@pool-151-199-52-107.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10h 9m 21s ago, saying: 'I only got screwed because aj resigned :-('. |
| 13:13.54 | streuner | hm |
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| 13:14.47 | wintix | hi there. can someone help with setting up an hp deskjet 600? |
| 13:14.51 | EmleyMoor | Would, once I have copied my disk to /new-disk in a recommended fashion, "grub-install --root-directory=/new-disk /dev/hdc" work? (the will-be-root is at /new-disk, currently connected as /dev/hdc) |
| 13:15.02 | streuner | wintix: /msg dpkg hpdeskjet install |
| 13:15.11 | wintix | streuner: thx |
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| 13:15.25 | error403 | heh |
| 13:15.54 | streuner | wintix: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install NOT hpdeskjet... |
| 13:15.55 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: yes, it should work as long as your BIOS is not buggy |
| 13:16.05 | wintix | streuner: i just wanted to ask ;) |
| 13:16.10 | EmleyMoor | jm_: Thanks :-) |
| 13:17.09 | jm_ | GRUB defaults to looking for its config file on the drive that was booted from |
| 13:17.59 | EmleyMoor | Looks like I'll be ready to go "single user" in a few minutes anyway |
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| 13:19.04 | klaa | jm_: I don't have .Xresources file anywhere |
| 13:19.14 | jm_ | klaa: of course you don't |
| 13:19.54 | mwilson | klaa: Because you haven't created one yet. |
| 13:20.13 | klaa | :( |
| 13:20.27 | EmleyMoor | Just mkfs'ing my new /scratch partition - which is most of the disk at present! |
| 13:20.28 | jm_ | klaa: look in /etc/X11/app-defaults for examles |
| 13:20.32 | klaa | well, I have no idea what to put in such file if I create it |
| 13:20.43 | jm_ | there's a file named XTerm there |
| 13:20.52 | klaa | ok |
| 13:20.55 | geemark | why is "unrar" unable of extracting any rar files???? |
| 13:21.03 | MrKeuner | hi, when I try to dist-upgrade apt-get tells me that it will remove gnome, gnome-applets, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment, gnome-office, etc. Is this because not all of the packages has gone into the SID from experimental? |
| 13:21.13 | [Granger] | geemark: because you're not using it correctly? |
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| 13:21.27 | streuner | geemark: man unrar? |
| 13:21.31 | caphuso | geemark: try the unrar-nonfree package instead |
| 13:21.32 | geemark | [Granger]: "unrar -x <file>" |
| 13:21.35 | tralala | geemark: because the linux version doesn't support the new rar format |
| 13:21.39 | hac | I've compiled a kernel but my floppy dont'work..Why?I've enable "normal floppy" support |
| 13:21.45 | jm_ | geemark: /msg dpkg unrar-free |
| 13:21.47 | error403 | I've just installed X and KDE but all my fonts seem really huge... am i missing something, loke a font pack? |
| 13:21.56 | Ungy | hac define don't work |
| 13:22.34 | Ungy | error403 well you might have the 100 Dpi fonts or you may want to configure your font sizes |
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| 13:22.49 | jm_ | adjust your DPI setting |
| 13:22.52 | hac | Ungy, It tries always to load a floppy disk |
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| 13:23.06 | geemark | tralala: so I basically cannot unrar it with any software? |
| 13:23.09 | error403 | Ungy, how do i not use the 100dpi fonts? |
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| 13:23.52 | tralala | geemark: with any free software for sure |
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| 13:24.12 | mastertet | Hello, I run Debian 3.1. I'm able to shutdown the computer from gnome on logout, can someone tell me the command invoked by Gnome so I can use it in other window managers? |
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| 13:24.24 | Ungy | error403 allow me to search for you |
| 13:24.54 | error403 | Ungy, never mind, i just changed sizes, seems to work |
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| 13:25.00 | error403 | Ungy, thanks though! |
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| 13:25.24 | tralala | !sarcasm |
| 13:25.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarcasm is when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
| 13:25.40 | jm_ | mastertet: man shutdown |
| 13:26.44 | mastertet | jm: I know how to use shutdown, but I need to be root when I shutdown form command line, I wonder how gnome overide the need to be root to shutdown? |
| 13:26.46 | Kaishi | trou ducl |
| 13:26.52 | jm_ | mastertet: no you don't |
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| 13:27.51 | Ungy | mastertet you can shutdown from gnome without entering root password? |
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| 13:28.20 | sebas_ | where is stored the locale information? |
| 13:28.22 | Virtual | What do I set in /etc/fstab so that on bootup a partition is mounted but I can have access to it as normal user not only as root? |
| 13:28.24 | geemark | "Package unrar-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 13:28.31 | mastertet | mmm, maybe I can't... I'll go check again |
| 13:28.49 | tralala | Ungy: dunno for gnome but in kde you can shutdown and restart without the root password |
| 13:28.50 | bobwJek | why does debian not have an apachectl command for apache |
| 13:28.51 | jm_ | Virtual: what kind of partition is it? |
| 13:28.52 | error403 | ok, Ungy, if i uninstall the 100dpi fonts, will it default to 75dpi? |
| 13:28.57 | Virtual | fat32 |
| 13:29.02 | jm_ | geemark: /msg dpkg nonfree |
| 13:29.11 | Ungy | error403 no they can both be installed |
| 13:29.18 | resiak | Ungy: Go into the options, and tick the option to let you do that. I can't remember what it's called, but it's fairly obvious. "Secure actions menu" or some such. |
| 13:29.20 | jm_ | Virtual: learn to prefix a line targeted for someone with their nick - /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 13:29.23 | WiFiTux | xoz: yes, I just wanted to know if I could do such thing in apt.conf or so |
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| 13:29.33 | Virtual | jm_, fat32 |
| 13:29.35 | error403 | Ungy, for 1024x768, which font pack do i want to be using? |
| 13:29.36 | mastertet | tralala, do you know what kde use to shutdown and reboot without password |
| 13:29.40 | jethro | caphuso: thank you |
| 13:29.40 | arafat | hi all! does anyone know how to extrac/play a ".ace" file? Is it a zip or music format? |
| 13:29.47 | error403 | Ungy, how do i know which one i am using? |
| 13:29.49 | jm_ | Virtual: I saw it, do what I said |
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| 13:30.04 | Ungy | error403 what color car should you get for a mazda rx8? |
| 13:30.05 | jm_ | arafat: there's unace for linux on www.winace.com, but it sucks |
| 13:30.07 | tralala | mastertet: I've never bothered to check although I'm a bit curious |
| 13:30.19 | error403 | Ungy, ? |
| 13:30.26 | Gnea | Ungy: rust :) |
| 13:30.29 | error403 | Ungy, i see what you are getting at... |
| 13:30.54 | Ungy | error403 it's all a amatter of opionion look here although debian packaging system does most of this on it's own http://ed.asisaid.com/fontfight.html |
| 13:32.12 | Ungy | error403, personally I just use what is personally set and manually edit the fonts via COntrol center in KDE |
| 13:32.31 | Virtual | jm_, if you are kind, I remember that there was a command to mount everything in /etc/fstab so I don`t have to reboot |
| 13:32.33 | arafat | jm_: thanks! better than no tool at all:-) |
| 13:32.36 | Virtual | could you tell me what it is? |
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| 13:32.47 | Ungy | error403, I don't think it controls Gnome apps though |
| 13:32.49 | jm_ | arafat: mount -a ? |
| 13:32.50 | sebas_ | where is stored the locale information, LANG, etc? |
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| 13:32.59 | jm_ | arafat: ups that was not for you ;) |
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| 13:33.02 | jm_ | Virtual: mount -a ? |
| 13:33.04 | Turgon | Hi |
| 13:33.07 | arafat | hehe |
| 13:33.15 | Virtual | yes, thank you :) |
| 13:33.18 | mario__ | hello to all!! |
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| 13:33.23 | geemark | jm_: adding a "non-free" apt source makes no difference |
| 13:33.24 | jm_ | combine it with -t |
| 13:33.40 | Turgon | Does anyone know if there's any debian package with a "libNitroDB.so" library? |
| 13:33.40 | jm_ | geemark: did you run apt-get/aptitude update? |
| 13:33.50 | geemark | jm_: yes |
| 13:33.51 | Turgon | In fact, does anyone know what the heck "libNitroDB.so" is? :-) |
| 13:33.52 | error403 | Ungy, i am trying to use XChat, and it has made my font HUGE |
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| 13:34.18 | mwilson | Does anyone know off the top of their heads if there is a projected release date for Openoffice.org 2.0 other than "in the near future"? |
| 13:34.30 | HansZ | Lo there, anyone known here with 'cplay' ? |
| 13:34.35 | error403 | Ungy, it is strange, my 9pt fonts are a hell of a lot bigger than they used to be |
| 13:34.36 | jm_ | geemark: right, the package is now called unrar, while the free version is called unrar-free |
| 13:34.46 | Turgon | error403: maybe that's because of the dpi of X :-? |
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| 13:34.49 | fas3r | hi all |
| 13:34.58 | error403 | Turgon, how do i change that? |
| 13:35.01 | Turgon | error403: maybe you're using -dpi 100, and before you were using -dpi 75 |
| 13:35.02 | tralala | HansZ: you should know better than asking such questions here |
| 13:35.02 | Virtual | jm_, it still says access denied when I try to access the folfer where I mounted the partition |
| 13:35.12 | Turgon | error403: X -dpi 75, or --dpi 75, I don't remember exactly |
| 13:35.12 | Ungy | error 403 setting/preferences text box to change that font |
| 13:35.18 | mario__ | I want ask a question, but sorry my English |
| 13:35.21 | HansZ | tralala: heh :).. well do you? |
| 13:35.22 | geemark | jm_: ok, I got that one installed, but it does not work either |
| 13:35.26 | Turgon | error403: there's a config file in /etc/X11 where you set that |
| 13:35.29 | tralala | no, I don't |
| 13:35.34 | Turgon | error403: (again, I don't remember which O:-)) |
| 13:35.47 | HansZ | tralala: then the question was usefull |
| 13:35.59 | gabyweb | Hi all, I've made two days ago an apt-get update/upgrade -u of my sid, since that my gnome panel is messed-up, well I mean I don't have gnome-panel any more, and if I try apt-get install gnome-panel, it says that there are unsatisfy dependencies that he's not able to install ... any idea ? is there some thing messed up in the gnome sid paquetage ? |
| 13:36.21 | Turgon | gabyweb: there are a lot of things messed up with gnome sid packages :-) |
| 13:36.30 | Turgon | gabyweb: it's the transition from experimental to unstable |
| 13:36.34 | tralala | HansZ: indeed! I will save all these lot of useful answers for future reference. |
| 13:36.36 | error403 | Turgon, is there a way to set that as default? |
| 13:36.45 | tralala | mario__: read the /topic |
| 13:36.46 | Turgon | error403: sure, search "-dpi" in /etc/X11 |
| 13:36.50 | HansZ | -_-' |
| 13:36.52 | mwilson | gabyweb: Welcome to unstable. If you can't deal with it, you shouldn't be using unstable. |
| 13:36.57 | fas3r | do u know if they are an option for lilo when i turn on my laptop, for lilo dont start server X? |
| 13:37.03 | Turgon | error403: in fact, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
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| 13:37.11 | HansZ | Well does anyone know what playlists cplay support? (m3u, and pls didnt work for me :/) |
| 13:37.14 | error403 | ok Turgon thanks, ill have look |
| 13:37.25 | gabyweb | Turgon: thanks ;) |
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| 13:38.04 | gabyweb | mwilson: I think I'll deal with it, it was just to know if that come from me or from the paquetage ;) thanks |
| 13:38.10 | Turgon | gabyweb: there was a post by Jordi Mallach in planet.debian.org today or yesterday about GNOME's unstability. Check there for more info :-) |
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| 13:38.22 | error403 | Turgon, no change... |
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| 13:38.42 | error403 | Turgon, i restarted the xserver, but the fonts are still huge.... |
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| 13:38.47 | Turgon | error403: hmmmm |
| 13:39.03 | Turgon | error403: do a "ps aux" and check if X is invoked with the right params (i.e., "-dpi 75") |
| 13:39.11 | Turgon | error403: just in case :-) |
| 13:39.21 | tralala | fas3r: lilo never starts your X server. If you want to start it install a dm and if you don't uninstall the dm you have. |
| 13:39.27 | mario__ | if non-US is no more, then why mirrors still have it? |
| 13:39.38 | error403 | Turgon, no it isnt |
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| 13:39.49 | error403 | Turgon, should i do a FULL restart? |
| 13:39.59 | Turgon | error403: eh ... what do you mean? A reboot? |
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| 13:40.07 | error403 | Turgon, yes |
| 13:40.46 | Turgon | error403: no, that shouldn't be needed |
| 13:40.51 | Ungy | error shutdown -r now |
| 13:40.58 | error403 | Turgon, i did it anyway, just to be sure |
| 13:41.02 | error403 | :P |
| 13:41.06 | Ungy | or ctrl+shift+backspace I think |
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| 13:41.21 | Ungy | to restart x |
| 13:41.44 | error403 | i know ctrl+alt+backsapce to restart X |
| 13:41.45 | Ungy | or is it ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 13:42.16 | error403 | Turgon, back up now... |
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| 13:43.52 | error403 | Turgon, i did what you said in xserverrc |
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| 13:44.52 | jm_ | geemark: then try rar package |
| 13:45.00 | error403 | Turgon, you there? the command it was started with is NOT what is in xserverrc, i checked |
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| 13:45.06 | jm_ | Virtual: what steps did you do? |
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| 13:45.14 | geemark | jm_: thanks, but somehow I got it working (have no clue how though) |
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| 13:46.18 | error403 | Turgon, ? |
| 13:46.25 | nick01 | how come when I try to apt-get azureus it wants to install lots of useless stuff ? I downloaded azureus separately and it works without all those "dependencies" |
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| 13:47.14 | Virtual | Hello, I have a question, if I install a program with apt-get doesn`t it give me the last version of the program, because in some cases it gives me utdated version, like gaim |
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| 13:47.50 | giupy | nick01, IIRC there is an option for apt-get for install wihtout dep |
| 13:47.53 | klaa | how can I paste in Xterm? |
| 13:47.57 | nick01 | Virtual, make ssure your sources.list only has one type of sources |
| 13:48.16 | giupy | klaa, with mouse? |
| 13:48.20 | nick01 | giupy, but I want it to install dependencies ... needed ones |
| 13:48.25 | streuner | Virtual: what version of debian are you running actually? |
| 13:48.32 | klaa | giupy: how? right button doesn't paste |
| 13:48.35 | Virtual | 3.1 |
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| 13:48.49 | giupy | klaa, right + left together |
| 13:48.51 | pureone | virtual what version of gaim do you have? |
| 13:49.09 | klaa | giupy: nothing happens |
| 13:49.10 | jm_ | klaa: use middle button |
| 13:49.11 | Virtual | 1.2.1 I believe but gaim released 1.3.0 |
| 13:49.15 | giupy | klaa, if you have center configured properly just center |
| 13:49.19 | streuner | Virtual: desktop? |
| 13:49.26 | pureone | try apt-get install gaim-encryption |
| 13:49.28 | Virtual | kde |
| 13:49.34 | klaa | actually, both buttons same time and wheel just adds enters in to the file |
| 13:49.43 | pureone | should give you 1.3.0-2 |
| 13:49.45 | streuner | Virtual: if you running debian only as desktop system, switch to testing (etch) |
| 13:49.50 | jm_ | klaa: that's because you have marked that |
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| 13:50.00 | streuner | !info gaim etch |
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| 13:50.04 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.0-2 (etch), Packaged size: 864 kB, Installed size: 2216 kB |
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| 13:50.12 | klaa | jm_: huh? marked? how? |
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| 13:50.28 | Virtual | streuner, deb http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ testing main is this correct? |
| 13:50.32 | jm_ | klaa: with the mouse - press and hold left button, mark text, release it - then press middle button and it will paste that |
| 13:50.44 | streuner | Virtual: looks ok to me |
| 13:50.50 | tactless | Now with sid being literally unstable - having been a sid user so far, maybe I want to move to testing? |
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| 13:50.55 | tactless | Your thoughts? |
| 13:51.08 | tactless | For instance: Parts of gnome 2.10 are coming out, but they override the rest of gnome. |
| 13:51.10 | klaa | Im trying to copy from Firefox |
| 13:51.12 | jethro | tactless: if you have to ask, then don't use sid. |
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| 13:51.31 | tactless | jethro: Well I'm just looking for opinions. What are you using? |
| 13:51.32 | Virtual | streuner, well that is already set but it still gives me gaim 1.2.1, maybe I should try apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:51.33 | Ungy | tactless if you have no problems jsut stick with it just remeber to read bugs.debian.org before doing batch updates |
| 13:51.36 | mikael_ | hi ... I upgraded Debian Woody to Sarge but aptitude didn't manage to download all the packages (the list of the broken packages is in the /var/cache/apt/archives/partial).. Now I have to reboot to test the new system ... how can I recall aptitude retry download the broken pkgs again .. ?? |
| 13:51.39 | sep | tactless: i'd actualy recomend using sarge until etch have something you need (need not want) then perhaps move to testing |
| 13:51.41 | klaa | It works if I paste from xterm to xterm but not from firefox to xterm |
| 13:51.42 | jethro | tactless: sid. |
| 13:51.57 | tactless | Yeah I guess I'll stick with it too, just be less trigger-happy on the apt-get ugprade :) |
| 13:51.59 | jethro | tactless: I'd not recommend the use of sid, though. |
| 13:52.00 | sep | mikael_: did you read the release notes ? |
| 13:52.02 | streuner | Virtual: apt-get update && apt-get install gaim |
| 13:52.16 | tactless | Anyone install parts of Gnome 2.10 yet? |
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| 13:52.18 | mikael_ | sep: yes , I read the release notes |
| 13:52.29 | Trewas | tactless: if you already have quite up-to-date sid, how about waiting a while and upgrading only after gnome and whatever related unstability is over? |
| 13:52.31 | streuner | tactless: gedit ;-) |
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| 13:52.34 | mikael_ | sep : I'm new to debian and apt |
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| 13:53.02 | tactless | streuner: Yeah, doesn't seem like there's much else to expect in 2.10 |
| 13:53.06 | madsen | Oi! |
| 13:53.18 | streuner | tactless: bullshit |
| 13:53.21 | madsen | Anyone got time to help me out with a printer issue? |
| 13:53.32 | tactless | streuner: What then? |
| 13:53.34 | jethro | paulswm: some people don't know about /topic or /ignore, and are pissed off when you tell them about these |
| 13:53.43 | streuner | tactless: GNOME is very big, so it needs some time till all packages are uploadet... |
| 13:53.44 | jethro | paulswm: no big deal |
| 13:53.49 | sep | mikael_: did you have any nonofficial packages installed ? purge those, then try aptitude dist-upgrade again |
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| 13:54.22 | fas3r | i 'm re |
| 13:54.34 | mikael_ | sep: no, it's not about non-official... it's because I have a bad link to the FTP mirror |
| 13:54.48 | tactless | It just doesn't seem like there's much new stuff in 2.10 |
| 13:54.54 | sep | mikael_: if thats all it is then just try your download again it should resume |
| 13:55.02 | madsen | Hmm, what's happening to the non-us site? |
| 13:55.09 | madsen | Err http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US/contrib Packages |
| 13:55.09 | madsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.10 | streuner | tactless: well, read changelog |
| 13:55.12 | sep | madsen: read /topic |
| 13:55.13 | mikael_ | sep: ok, I'll try that .. thanx |
| 13:55.14 | Ungy | madsen what non-us site? |
| 13:55.24 | streuner | madsen: non-us is dead for now |
| 13:55.26 | jethro | madsen: /topic |
| 13:55.33 | Ungy | madsen maybe since non-us is now in main |
| 13:55.34 | tactless | streuner: Reading. Just basically boring stuff, that's all. |
| 13:55.34 | jethro | !nonus madsen |
| 13:55.36 | dpkg | Hey, madsen, the topic says non-us doesn't exist anymore. Wheee! Ask me about 'non-us'. |
| 13:55.56 | madsen | streuner, jethro, Ungy: Sorry, didn't see that. But NICE! :) |
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| 13:56.19 | paulswm | jethro: It is clearly a flagrant abuse of op privilege and you should take it further |
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| 13:56.32 | jethro | paulswm: I don't care, as long as it doesn't happen again. |
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| 13:56.57 | paulswm | jethro: None of my business, sorry |
| 13:57.13 | jethro | paulswm: but indeed, it's a flagrant abuse, and a surprising one from somebody not able to read /topic. |
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| 13:58.15 | Ungy | jethro I am sorry to hear that |
| 13:58.17 | ChickenBoy | Hi! Which apt-get sources can you suggest me when I use Sarge? |
| 13:58.33 | tarzeau | ChickenBoy: telnet linuks.mine.nu replace sid/unstable with sarge |
| 13:58.36 | tarzeau | ChickenBoy: add security |
| 13:58.37 | Ungy | ChickenBoy well taht matters on where you are located does it not |
| 13:58.43 | tarzeau | no more non-us, no contrib, no non-free |
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| 13:59.13 | ChickenBoy | I already got security but I also want the "other" updates |
| 13:59.19 | Ungy | tarzeau non-free and contrib still exist |
| 13:59.27 | lef | the night sagre became stable I changed the 'testing' entry to 'sarge' in my sources.list. If I change the 'sarge' entry back to 'testing' in my source.list will I be ok in tracking etch? |
| 13:59.39 | ChickenBoy | Or aren't there "other" updates? |
| 13:59.45 | jethro | !bubnbrossmite tarzeau |
| 13:59.52 | runa | hey :) my sources.list has lots of debian mirrors (all providing amd64), why apt-get don't use them to download files in parallel? |
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| 14:00.46 | tarzeau | Ungy: but they are not debian |
| 14:00.54 | tarzeau | jethro: heh |
| 14:01.05 | m4lu7 | what might be the best network filesystem to use for tranferring massive amounts of data very quickly? The situation: box "chloe" will be ripping 2 dvd's, dumping contents over network to box "deepthroat". Lotta data. Which fs to use? samba, i think, would choke, but i dunno. ideas? |
| 14:01.10 | tarzeau | runa: this question is not permitted |
| 14:01.19 | tarzeau | runa: actually was discussed on the mailing lists |
| 14:01.21 | Ungy | tarzeau maybe so but things like Qmail are rather useful |
| 14:01.30 | jethro | m4lu7: scsi over ethernet! |
| 14:01.32 | Xuse | is it normal for my memory to be at 97% with only firefox and xchat open? |
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| 14:01.51 | sep | Xuse: if you use ext3 then yes |
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| 14:01.53 | m4lu7 | jethro, intriguing. i've some across this in kernel config, have i not? |
| 14:01.57 | runa | tarzeau: mmm :) |
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| 14:02.06 | koollman | Xuse: there is also the cache in memory |
| 14:02.10 | jethro | m4lu7: I couldn't tell you what *you* read :) |
| 14:02.12 | madsen | sep: really? |
| 14:02.24 | jethro | m4lu7: I was kidding though. |
| 14:02.25 | m4lu7 | jethro, i've seen mention of this somewhere before |
| 14:02.27 | Xuse | but it won't cause any problems or anything? |
| 14:02.33 | mikael_ | which FS offers better perfomance in Debian Sarge ? |
| 14:02.43 | sep | Xuse: it will increse the performance of your box |
| 14:02.44 | jethro | m4lu7: it's in the kernel configuration options IIRC. |
| 14:02.46 | streuner | !start a FS war |
| 14:02.47 | dpkg | BeFS is better than XFS!! |
| 14:02.59 | Xuse | ok thanks, just got a bit worried there. |
| 14:03.01 | jethro | mikael_: better than what? |
| 14:03.10 | mikael_ | better than ext2 |
| 14:03.22 | tralala | mikael_: define "better" |
| 14:03.24 | Lee__ | better than not working at all? |
| 14:03.24 | m4lu7 | iSCSI |
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| 14:03.31 | sep | !better |
| 14:03.31 | dpkg | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 14:03.40 | usual | does debian support SATA/RAID |
| 14:03.46 | Lee__ | usual: yes |
| 14:03.47 | jethro | better has two extra t |
| 14:03.48 | Lee__ | 2.6 kernel |
| 14:03.57 | Virtual_ | If I try to change my display size it says that my display server does not support resizing and I should update to 4.3 but I already have that version i`m pretty sure |
| 14:04.01 | Ungy | mikael_, which car will get to the top of the mountain faster the suv the sports car or the truck or the motorcycle? |
| 14:04.02 | sep | usual: have to say yes to that |
| 14:04.06 | pureone | !start a world war |
| 14:04.09 | tralala | !jethro++ |
| 14:04.13 | usual | sep, completely? or on SOME chipsets |
| 14:04.15 | dpkg | Muslims rule! |
| 14:04.28 | jethro | !beer tralala |
| 14:04.29 | sep | usual: i dont own all chipsets but it works on my boxes |
| 14:04.37 | usual | sep, what do you have? |
| 14:04.46 | error403 | !sex |
| 14:04.47 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 14:04.52 | error403 | heh |
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| 14:05.27 | jethro | that's a variant of my unix is sexy tshirt |
| 14:05.27 | philuk86 | rofl |
| 14:05.28 | tralala | mmmm :) |
| 14:05.29 | streuner | !filesystems |
| 14:05.29 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 14:05.33 | Ungy | I think Gawk shoudl come befor euptime |
| 14:05.44 | sep | usual: lots of stuff, but some msi produces intel board that i cant remember the number on |
| 14:05.48 | error403 | heh |
| 14:06.08 | jethro | who | grep -i blonde | date && cd; is a better starter than locate ; talk; date; cd; imho |
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| 14:06.33 | error403 | heh |
| 14:06.51 | error403 | ok, people are debugging a ficticious script... |
| 14:06.58 | Ungy | I don't generally like blondes |
| 14:07.21 | tralala | s/blonde/whateveryougenerallylike/ |
| 14:07.25 | Lee__ | yeah, I think you'll find that not everyone has a blonde fetish. |
| 14:07.25 | Ungy | jethro and peopel don;t really date much anymore they just have a whole lot of sex |
| 14:07.46 | Lee__ | yea! |
| 14:07.50 | technos | Eh.. Blondes.. Gimme a red head any day. |
| 14:08.06 | m4lu7 | ok. next ridiculous question. what util might i use to discover how fast data's being read from a device? |
| 14:08.07 | yxa | can anyone give me a primer on what signing is in the context of pgp/rsa? didn't understand wikipedia :( |
| 14:08.09 | jethro | Ungy: you have a point |
| 14:08.10 | error403 | Hmm, i have a really annoying problem here - no matter what i do, i cant get XFree86 to start in 75dpi instead of 100dpi... |
| 14:08.22 | jethro | Ungy: you can use grep -v otoh :) |
| 14:08.23 | Ungy | red heads>Brunmettes>Blonde>Black hair |
| 14:08.25 | torgrimt_ | talking about girls in here...thats like talking about sports at fatcamp |
| 14:08.37 | jethro | Ungy: blondes are just easier are per my experience :p |
| 14:08.39 | Lee__ | yxa: it's like s real signature, but for another person's key or a message. |
| 14:08.43 | paulswm | !prize torgrimt_ |
| 14:08.46 | error403 | toresbe, heh |
| 14:08.47 | jethro | s/are per/as per/ |
| 14:08.48 | torgrimt_ | ;) |
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| 14:08.51 | RoyK | hi |
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| 14:08.57 | Lee__ | yxa: when you sign something you put your unique mark on it. |
| 14:09.01 | RoyK | how does the security line in sources.list look for sarge? |
| 14:09.03 | error403 | Hmm, i have a really annoying problem here - no matter what i do, i cant get XFree86 to start in 75dpi instead of 100dpi... |
| 14:09.08 | error403 | anybody got any ideas? |
| 14:09.08 | tarzeau | Ungy: for me it's longhairs>shorthairs>nohairs, blondes>brunettes>black>red |
| 14:09.12 | Ungy | jethro I grew up suroounded by them and I will tell you a red head may be harder to get into the sack but always worth the effort ;-) |
| 14:09.14 | streuner | torgrimt_: comment you guesses somewhere else |
| 14:09.16 | madsen | yxa: You generate a hash from the content of a file and your private key. That hash can be verified by reteriving your public key. |
| 14:09.21 | jethro | heh |
| 14:09.25 | jethro | !ungy++ |
| 14:09.31 | Gnea | !security |
| 14:09.31 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
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| 14:09.44 | Ungy | <-- Married to a red head ;-) |
| 14:09.58 | torgrimt_ | streuner: cant take a joke? |
| 14:09.59 | tarzeau | Gnea: that should not recommend contrib and non-free |
| 14:10.12 | Gnea | tarzeau: *shrug* i didn't write it |
| 14:10.21 | pureone | hehe |
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| 14:10.22 | streuner | torgrimt_: that joke sounds to me like an insult, be glad iam not an op |
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| 14:10.44 | yxa | madsen how do you find a hash of 2 separate streams? join them together? |
| 14:10.53 | Ungy | tarzeau, it shouldn't recomend security updates from non-free and contrib if you happen to have this in your other sources? |
| 14:11.03 | madsen | yxa: Uh sorry, can't help you there. :-/ |
| 14:11.10 | Gnea | heh |
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| 14:11.43 | error403 | Hmm, i have a really annoying problem here - no matter what i do, i cant get XFree86 to start in 75dpi instead of 100dpi... |
| 14:11.45 | error403 | anybody got any ideas? |
| 14:11.59 | Gnea | tarzeau: Debian is a global project, it's there for a reason |
| 14:12.05 | Lee__ | error403: nope, sorry. I didn't even know you could do that. |
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| 14:12.21 | torgrimt_ | streuner: well it was a joke. not an insult. would be shooting myself in the foot... |
| 14:12.24 | Ungy | apparently cialis soft tabs must be really good I get spammed by them over 100 times a day |
| 14:12.42 | error403 | heh |
| 14:12.51 | ChickenBoy | I got a debian server and it crashed 2 days ago. It wanted to run a filesystem check, but stopped requesting the root password. How can I configure not to ask for the root password and just check it? |
| 14:13.11 | ChickenBoy | I mean the HDD |
| 14:13.27 | ChickenBoy | .oO("just check the HDD") |
| 14:13.31 | Gnea | ChickenBoy: if it's asking for a password then something could be seriously messed up |
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| 14:13.58 | yxa | madsen np. just curious how hard is it to eavedrop on a smtp connection on the internet? wouldn't someone need to work in an isp to do that? |
| 14:14.02 | Ungy | Gnea yeah that is what i am saying I have never been asked for root password to check disk |
| 14:14.03 | Gnea | ChickenBoy: you've never see a HDD spill its guts over something so trivial have you? |
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| 14:14.24 | tralala | ChickenBoy: if you mean "how to configure the server so it won't require manual procedures to get restored after a crash", the answer is - it's impossible |
| 14:14.24 | Gnea | Ungy: keep using it, it'll happen eventually : |
| 14:14.25 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:14.27 | Lee__ | ChickenBoy: it happens |
| 14:14.38 | Ungy | yxa not really |
| 14:14.39 | madsen | yxa: I don't know actually... It's probably not that hard really if you e.g. tcpdump or something. |
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| 14:14.48 | ChickenBoy | no, it's just the filesystem thing |
| 14:14.49 | Karnaugh | unless he is using EXT-2 or something |
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| 14:15.02 | Gnea | ChickenBoy: it's there for a reason. |
| 14:15.08 | ChickenBoy | I just want an automatic fsck |
| 14:15.10 | Ungy | yxa you can packetsniff anything that goes through your network |
| 14:15.32 | lef | the night sarge became stable I changed the 'testing' entry to 'sarge' in my sources.list. If I change the 'sarge' entry back to 'testing' in my source.list will I be ok in tracking etch? |
| 14:15.34 | ChickenBoy | Reason here - reason there: I want to do what I want |
| 14:15.37 | Lee__ | ChickenBoy: it's the default. if it asks you for a password, that means something's really messed up. |
| 14:15.43 | yxa | Ungy what abt other dudes network? :) |
| 14:15.44 | Ungy | yxa so anywhere between point a and point b is able to get the info |
| 14:15.46 | tralala | ChickenBoy: you have an automatic fsck. When it fails to fix the problems you are given the password prompt. |
| 14:16.00 | Gnea | lef: yeah it'll just go over to etch on an upgrade/dist-upgrade |
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| 14:16.04 | Vegar | yes lef |
| 14:16.13 | Ungy | yxa I can't packet sniff your internal network unless well your completly exposed |
| 14:16.15 | ChickenBoy | But the server is located in a server park and it costs me money if someone has to enter the rootpw |
| 14:16.18 | Karnaugh | ChickenBoy: if the filesystem is FUBAR then it probably cant get past init |
| 14:16.27 | Lee__ | ChickenBoy: oh well. sucks to have broken hardware. |
| 14:16.28 | lef | do I need dist-upgrade or just update and then upgrade? |
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| 14:16.35 | ChickenBoy | The hardware was ok |
| 14:16.38 | Karnaugh | ChickenBoy: so praying and wizard spells wont magicaly restore it |
| 14:16.42 | Lee__ | obviously not... |
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| 14:16.46 | ChickenBoy | No, it was ok |
| 14:16.53 | Gnea | ChickenBoy: and this server park doesn't have UPS's installed? |
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| 14:17.07 | Lee__ | Debian needs a "System Restore Wizzard" :) |
| 14:17.11 | Karnaugh | ChickenBoy: well, it shouldnt be dying so often - also, what filesystem is it using? |
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| 14:17.19 | tralala | ChickenBoy: well, life sometimes sucks, doesn't it? |
| 14:17.29 | ChickenBoy | ext3 |
| 14:17.34 | tim_h__ | where can I download "old" debian packages? I want mozilla-firefox 1.0.3 |
| 14:17.35 | Lee__ | is there a #sysadmin-support-group channel? |
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| 14:17.43 | samuel | sup all |
| 14:17.52 | Karnaugh | ChickenBoy: well if its using ext3 then it wont require user intervention unless something is *really* dead |
| 14:17.54 | Ungy | ChickenBoy I drive 40 minutes to enter root passwords those damned colocation workers aren't getting my root password |
| 14:17.58 | tralala | Lee__: there is - www.google.com :) |
| 14:17.58 | ChickenBoy | If the hardware breaks, I will get new Hardware 4 free |
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| 14:18.07 | Karnaugh | ChickenBoy: UPS's and HDD's are cheap. |
| 14:18.08 | Lee__ | emmotional support. |
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| 14:18.09 | alexci | I have done some research and it appears to be not so easy to install the truetype fonts, I thought it was a matter of a package to install, but apparently some HOW TO exist which witness of a certain process, can someone confirm this please ? |
| 14:18.23 | TwistedEmotions | Ungy: you drive 40 minutes to login somewhere |
| 14:18.23 | ChickenBoy | Yeah, I will ask why the system had to reboot |
| 14:18.24 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 14:18.24 | Ungy | Karnaugh, HDD may be cheap but UPS'es? |
| 14:18.35 | yxa | Ungy i'm talking more abt like whem company A sents an email to company B, and the mail goes thru all the routers in the internet. |
| 14:18.36 | Ungy | TwistedEmotions if I have to yes |
| 14:18.43 | TwistedEmotions | Ungy: SSH? |
| 14:18.47 | samuel | anyone know if there is an osx (#osx is emptly) channel? or if is there a correct way to remove apps from osx? |
| 14:19.01 | Lee__ | samuel: throw it in the trash can. |
| 14:19.03 | Ungy | TwistedEmotions we are talking abotu hardware failure |
| 14:19.07 | Karnaugh | Ungy: a 600VA UPS costs bugger all... |
| 14:19.07 | ChickenBoy | But can't you just tell me how to skip the rootpw question? Is it that complicated? If there is really something wrong, it doesn't matter. It just matters if everything is ok |
| 14:19.13 | TwistedEmotions | Ungy: ohh... ;) just kidding |
| 14:19.17 | Karnaugh | Ungy: compared to the irritation it saves |
| 14:19.27 | ChickenBoy | If everything is ok and it stops asking the rootpw |
| 14:19.35 | Lee__ | ChickenBoy: I don't think you understand. If it asks you for a password, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG! |
| 14:19.40 | alexci | samuel #macosx |
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| 14:19.54 | Karnaugh | ChickenBoy: well if you can tell me how to turn this box of smarties into a 100 pound note, |
| 14:19.57 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 14:19.58 | ChickenBoy | Lee__: But there wasn't. They said they checked the hardware |
| 14:20.02 | samuel | Lee__, i cant, im trying to get rid of system9 folder |
| 14:20.03 | Karnaugh | ChickenBoy: I'd love that to work too, but there are limits in the real world |
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| 14:20.14 | Lee__ | samuel: #macosx |
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| 14:20.25 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know... does TVTime have a record feature? |
| 14:20.28 | error403 | WOOHOO!!!! Finally started Xserver in 75dpi!!! |
| 14:20.31 | lef | hm, I get Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 14:20.31 | samuel | Lee__, alexci, thanks |
| 14:20.33 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: no. |
| 14:20.45 | supaman | lef: see topic |
| 14:20.46 | shingouz | !tell lef about etch security |
| 14:20.48 | Lee__ | lef: no security in testing |
| 14:20.53 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: I will kill, rape and plunder till one is developed! |
| 14:20.54 | Ungy | lef no security on etch |
| 14:20.55 | tralala | ChickenBoy: try to modify the boot process so fsck will force fixing of the fs errors. Like that it will always boot and it will regularly need reinstall/backup restores. |
| 14:20.56 | ethics | evening all, im trying to figure out how to setup "jack" but it seems to not work for me hehe |
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| 14:21.04 | lef | thank you guys :-) |
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| 14:21.14 | Ungy | ethics jack? |
| 14:21.25 | Gnea | ethics: using alsa or oss? |
| 14:21.47 | ethics | Gnea : alsa, looking for midi and such support |
| 14:22.11 | Gnea | ethics: what jack-related packages have you installed? |
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| 14:22.38 | ethics | Gnea: i have alsa running atm np....i apt-got jackd and qjackctl... |
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| 14:22.56 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know of a TV program out there that has a record feature except fucking mythtv? |
| 14:22.58 | Gnea | ethics: what about jack-tools and jack-rack? |
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| 14:23.07 | ethics | using xmms-jack plugin to test so far nut its just erroring |
| 14:23.14 | tralala | TwistedEmotions: mencoder |
| 14:23.15 | seeds | freevo |
| 14:23.18 | TimFreeman | What's the difference between the --build and --host arguments to configure scripts? |
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| 14:23.25 | TwistedEmotions | ty |
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| 14:23.41 | ethics | Gnea nope ill grab em...im dialup so ittll be a min.. |
| 14:23.49 | Ungy | anyone know what motv is? |
| 14:23.49 | Gnea | cool |
| 14:23.57 | ChickenBoy | ok, I got it, thx |
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| 14:24.02 | Gnea | Ungy: a shitty tv app |
| 14:24.05 | TwistedEmotions | seeds: freevo isnt a debian package? |
| 14:24.12 | error403 | Wahey, Debian Sarge on laptop FINALLY |
| 14:24.27 | seeds | k |
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| 14:24.56 | ethics | ungy yeah i know motv |
| 14:25.02 | crylyx | is there a way to find out if my machine has i2c/lm_sensors to be able to check cpu temperature? (except reading the motherboards manual) |
| 14:25.04 | CAiRO | in metacity, i can adjust a movement key combo but i'd like my mouse button 6 do that instead of having to press alt + button 1 |
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| 14:25.07 | CAiRO | how can i achieve that? |
| 14:25.09 | caphuso | hrm, screen just died on me :-( |
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| 14:25.27 | ethics | mythtv is about the fastest to setup on sarge/etch atm....deb pakages available that work but most go from source np |
| 14:25.40 | Karnaugh | D-lined? |
| 14:25.50 | ethics | whos doing the TV stuff? |
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| 14:26.19 | danini | anybody knows mrtg? |
| 14:26.32 | shingouz | !tell danini about polls |
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| 14:26.36 | shingouz | !tell danini about ask |
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| 14:27.13 | danini | i'm trying to configure mrtg with the cfgmaker, but i have always an error? |
| 14:27.29 | shingouz | danini: and the error is? |
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| 14:27.53 | beeblebrox87 | what is the progress of the FCC/SCC mirror split? |
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| 14:29.09 | danini | i have snmp error no response received |
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| 14:30.13 | honschu | Hi |
| 14:30.13 | danini | i have the same error even if use public@127.0.0.1 |
| 14:30.23 | honschu | I sadly deleted /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm. How to build xterm? I used to build X by this instructions: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building So, I have a host.def file. |
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| 14:30.52 | Karnaugh | danini: do you have an snmp server running? |
| 14:30.52 | klaa | honschu: don't listen to me but apt-get xterm? |
| 14:31.11 | jethro | honschu: apt-get install xterm should work fine |
| 14:31.25 | klaa | apt-get install ofc, sorry :) |
| 14:31.31 | klaa | I said don't listen to me =) |
| 14:31.42 | honschu | jethro: Is there a way to compile xterm from the x.org cvs tree? |
| 14:31.54 | honschu | jethro: So that I can get the x.org-xterm? |
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| 14:32.11 | jethro | honschu: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 14:32.21 | jethro | honschu: it's not supported in #debian. you're on your own. |
| 14:32.28 | Karnaugh | !xorg |
| 14:32.28 | dpkg | [xorg] X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
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| 14:33.35 | danini | yap my snmpd is working fine |
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| 14:34.00 | buddhakeks | hello my winxp crashes every timei try to install linux from cd |
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| 14:34.18 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 14:34.20 | mattford63 | What's a good firewall package for Debian? Is there a "more" official or recommended package? |
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| 14:34.32 | asg | mattford63: try firehol |
| 14:34.32 | error403 | heh |
| 14:34.37 | error403 | what was the D-line? |
| 14:34.40 | Ungy | buddhakeks, please clarify that |
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| 14:34.49 | error403 | or not from this channel? |
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| 14:35.33 | mattford63 | asg: I'll check it out. thx |
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| 14:36.40 | swarm | have you tried to have Sun j2sdk 1.5, or even just 1.4.2, for AMD64 working on debian? |
| 14:36.43 | ruzbeh | Hello. I have this big problem. My sound is detected my ALSA and playing music works in beep-media-player, Totem, etc. But alsamixer doesn't show my important bars --> http://members.lycos.nl/ultrasupreme/alsamixer.png -- So I can't unmute anything. What can I possibly do to fix this? |
| 14:36.44 | samuel | dammit i dont think ppl in #macosx know they are running a unix os |
| 14:36.55 | asg | swarm: try #debian-amd64 |
| 14:36.58 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I am copying files from my Win partition and it seems that the job is finished yet the cp process is still hanging there! Any thought on that? Thanks |
| 14:37.13 | swarm | asg: thanks |
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| 14:38.28 | ethics | Gnea ok i have those installed now.. so where do you think i should start? jackd -d alsa -d hw:0 ? |
| 14:38.55 | Ungy | samuel that is because mac is the alpha nad the omega |
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| 14:39.58 | samuel | Ungy, hahaha, i guess |
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| 14:42.47 | Virtual | how can I install my printer? |
| 14:43.11 | Ungy | well you more then likely have to plug it into the wall |
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| 14:43.19 | K_Dallas | and the computer ;) |
| 14:43.23 | Virtual | dooh |
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| 14:43.28 | Virtual | I meant install it on my system |
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| 14:43.49 | Ungy | Virtual tehn you probably have to determine if its goign to an lpt port or is plugged into usb or maybe even a network printer |
| 14:44.16 | klaa | how can I install a single .deb file without adding a whole contrib to my sources list and downloading 90Mb of all stuff because of one file I need |
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| 14:44.21 | Virtual | Ungy, lpt port |
| 14:44.27 | K_Dallas | klaa, dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 14:44.44 | klaa | thank you K_Dallas. |
| 14:45.23 | Virtual | now what? |
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| 14:46.31 | Ungy | Virtual is the printer linux compatible http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ |
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| 14:49.08 | cahoot | ruzbeh: what output do you get from 'amixer scontrols' ? |
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| 14:50.18 | Virtual | Ungy, I don`t see anything about printers on that page |
| 14:50.21 | samuel | i think its a rather touchy point on osx that apple is switching to intel... |
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| 14:52.09 | error403 | hmmm... i am used to having a "Start new session" entry in my KMenu, where has this gone? |
| 14:52.36 | error403 | is there a link somewhere in KMenu to start a new graphical session? |
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| 14:53.59 | laopa | is there a way to convert MS Excel or Openoffice spreadsheet to Mysql table? |
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| 14:55.12 | cygar | laopa: take it out to a text file delimited by something and vi, perl or something to make the inserts ? |
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| 14:56.05 | laopa | no conversion software? |
| 14:56.15 | x2 | hi, let me get this right.. now the sarge is stable.. etch is testing and sid will never move from being unstable.. right? |
| 14:56.21 | Ungy | Virtual try here http://www.linuxprinting.org and read the instruction look for the corresponding packages |
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| 14:56.36 | K_Dallas | x2, you got it right ;) |
| 14:56.42 | klaa | Q: I have apt-get running and downloading some stuff, it takes a while and I would like to get xmms meanwhile. Is it secure to use apt-get 2 times? |
| 14:56.58 | K_Dallas | klaa, that would not work like this |
| 14:57.00 | cbr | klaa: try it :p |
| 14:57.04 | K_Dallas | just one instance |
| 14:57.13 | caphuso | klaa: sure, it'll error out with a nice message and don't do anything at all |
| 14:57.15 | x2 | okay, and now tessting has updated all its packages, thats why im downloading 70 mb at 1:00am .. right? |
| 14:57.16 | klaa | I don't want to mess everything up cbr :) |
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| 14:57.37 | x2 | i feel so sorry for anyone on dialup |
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| 14:58.14 | idnar_ | x2: I used to run sid on dial-up |
| 14:58.16 | klaa | x2: me too, but probably _almost_ everyone has a chance to get broadband |
| 14:58.27 | error403 | I remember there being a 'Start new graphical session' somewhere in the Kmenu, can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:58.28 | idnar | x2: (I still run sid, but I'm not on dial-up) |
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| 14:58.59 | resiak | Right, my ieee1394 disk doesn't appear to like me. dmesg is telling me that "The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root node and resetting...", but it's never being assigned a device. I'm sure it _used_ to work just fine with a kernel that I'd rolled myself but hadn't changed any of the ieee1394 stuff. Everyone's favourite search engine suggests a newer kernel, but a Debian 2.6.11 has made exactly no differ |
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| 14:59.06 | resiak | error403: Do you use kdm? |
| 14:59.20 | error403 | resiak, yes |
| 14:59.23 | error403 | i do |
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| 14:59.32 | klaa | Are here any users of xfce4? I would like to get the calendar in the bar |
| 14:59.53 | Xuse | gnome > all ;p |
| 14:59.55 | x2 | fluxbox will forever own me |
| 15:00.05 | x2 | gnome and kde are memory pigs |
| 15:00.15 | Xuse | well actually i lie, less than 1GB memory and gnome sucks. |
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| 15:00.39 | x2 | i have 128mb of ram and 333mhz motherboard |
| 15:00.48 | error403 | Xuse, heh, i always use KDE, i dont like GNOME style... |
| 15:00.48 | Xuse | ouch. |
| 15:00.57 | x2 | yeah, it hurts sometimes |
| 15:01.00 | samuel | gnome rules |
| 15:01.01 | Xuse | i almost feel like giving you my old comp |
| 15:01.05 | resiak | error403: I don't, but I was about to suggest that you should if you don't alread. |
| 15:01.09 | resiak | !start a de war |
| 15:01.16 | error403 | noooo |
| 15:01.20 | samuel | hahahaha |
| 15:01.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | does someone know how (or where to find out about) making making sarge recognise a full 2GB of RAM? |
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| 15:01.45 | error403 | so anybody got any ideas on how to start a new graphical session? |
| 15:01.50 | error403 | in KDE |
| 15:01.56 | yxa | Kamping_Kaiser i have that problem as well |
| 15:01.57 | resiak | !tell error403 -about enter |
| 15:02.05 | x2 | startx from command line |
| 15:02.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | yxa glad I'm not alone |
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| 15:02.15 | Xuse | what i like about gnome is how simple and smooth everything looks |
| 15:02.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | its for a server, so we want the full 2 Gig |
| 15:02.27 | error403 | sorry resiak |
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| 15:02.31 | x2 | i like how fluxbox doesn't try and own all my memory |
| 15:02.53 | yxa | Kamping_Kaiser for my case it only sees 1GB. and googling didnt come up with anything |
| 15:02.56 | Xuse | x2 lol with that amount of memory doesn't opening firefox own it? ;p |
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| 15:03.10 | x2 | yes it does, but im still living |
| 15:03.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | yxa, yeh, we can see 900 -> 1000 MB |
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| 15:03.26 | x2 | i want to install cedegra :-( |
| 15:03.33 | x2 | i need a new computer |
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| 15:04.11 | Xuse | I feel quite bad having two computers, amd 64 3200 and athlon xp2000 |
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| 15:04.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | xuse, the number or speed of said computers? |
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| 15:05.05 | Xuse | eh? |
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| 15:05.18 | error403 | I have 2 computers... a Sempron 2800 laptop and a Sempron 2300 (overclocked) desktop |
| 15:05.31 | error403 | guess which one i use as the server? |
| 15:05.35 | klaa | are the semprons any good? |
| 15:05.35 | Xuse | be right bck need a drink. |
| 15:05.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | " I feel quite bad having two computers, amd 64 3200 and athlon xp2000" do you feel bad about having 2 computers, or 2 fast computers or what? |
| 15:05.40 | vorsprung | error403, the laptop |
| 15:05.43 | yxa | anyone can help me and Kamping_Kaiser out in making sarge see 2gb ram? |
| 15:05.49 | error403 | good guess vorsprung |
| 15:06.02 | Lee__ | I feel bad about my weight. I'm too fat. Maybe I need more computers. |
| 15:06.12 | error403 | klaa, Semprons are good for cheap power, but you cant make an amazing gaming machine with them |
| 15:06.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | lee__ i have 12... |
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| 15:07.04 | x2 | Kamping_Kaiser: i have 8 |
| 15:07.15 | Lee__ | I have 8 virtual machines :) |
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| 15:07.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
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| 15:07.25 | x2 | haha |
| 15:07.33 | Virtual | Ungy, after I installed the driver what do I do now ? |
| 15:07.37 | Lee__ | xiggity xen in the hizouse! |
| 15:07.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | i recon my desktop (p4) could outperform a cluster made of every other system in my house |
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| 15:08.18 | Achoice | yxa > CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM |
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| 15:08.25 | error403 | P4s are like lightbulbs - the useful product is actually a byproduct of producing heat |
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| 15:08.30 | x2 | i want to see a computer that will be used in 10yrs time... today :) |
| 15:08.32 | error403 | P4s are expensive heaters |
| 15:08.33 | error403 | :P |
| 15:08.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
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| 15:09.12 | error403 | AMD every time, you can get more power for your money |
| 15:09.25 | Xuse | kamping_kaiser i feel bad having two decent computers while x2's sucks =( |
| 15:09.28 | m4lu7 | power's not everything. |
| 15:09.32 | PeacemakerHerbi | (Deutsch/German) Ich hätte da eine Frage. Gibt es bei der Debian3.1-Konfiguration (Software Auswahl) eine Einfache Möglichkeit ausschließlich Gnome ohne KDE zu installieren? |
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| 15:09.44 | klaa | m4lu7: power's not everything but money is :P |
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| 15:09.52 | m4lu7 | money isn't everything. |
| 15:09.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | xuse, yeh, fair enough. |
| 15:10.02 | m4lu7 | p00sey is everything. |
| 15:10.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | peacemakerherbi #Debian-de |
| 15:10.10 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping |
| 15:10.10 | PeacemakerHerbi | thx |
| 15:10.11 | m4lu7 | without p00sey, money and power are meaningless. |
| 15:10.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 15:10.48 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 15:10.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | xuse, i collect old systems. |
| 15:10.49 | Xuse | linux users are all virgins everyone knows that |
| 15:10.52 | Xuse | j/k |
| 15:10.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | LOL |
| 15:11.32 | Bogus8 | how do you make an init.d script load the process as a user vs root? |
| 15:12.11 | Xuse | So Kamping_Kaiser do you actually use them for anything? or do they just gather dust. |
| 15:12.12 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: pong |
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| 15:12.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | xuse, for the next few weeks gathering a bit more dust, then I'll be using them |
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| 15:12.52 | Xuse | nice. |
| 15:12.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | for whatever. a few Linux, bsds, minix, whatever |
| 15:12.58 | ruzbeh | cahoot, you still there? I get lots of output including Simple mixer control 'Master',0 , Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 etc. |
| 15:13.04 | K_Dallas | I am copying files from my Win partition and it seems that the job is finished yet the cp process is still hanging there! Any thought on that? Thanks |
| 15:13.10 | green_earz | Bogus8: have a look at > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/runlevels-intro.html |
| 15:13.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder if i can cluster them |
| 15:13.20 | Bogus8 | green_earz: thanks |
| 15:13.23 | green_earz | np |
| 15:13.58 | Virtual | can anybody help me install my printer? I have installed the drivers for it but I don`t know what to do from here |
| 15:14.02 | bcole | K_Dallas: wait it out, next time use verbose mode on cp when copying large amounts of files |
| 15:14.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | xuse, do you know if minix will run on an amstrad? |
| 15:14.07 | Noid | quick one, what is the representation of the pid of the last command used? $... |
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| 15:14.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | virtual, Gnome or KDE? |
| 15:14.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | or other? |
| 15:14.28 | K_Dallas | bcole: it has been some 30 min and as far as i can see it is done |
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| 15:14.43 | Achoice | Is XFCE depending on Gnome? |
| 15:14.49 | Xuse | Kamping_kaiser no expierence with it so i wouldn't know. :) |
| 15:14.50 | K_Dallas | Achoice, probably not ;) |
| 15:14.51 | Virtual | Kamping_Kaiser, KDE |
| 15:14.54 | cahoot | ruzbeh: you could be able to unmute using amixer - I'm not sure about the syntax - try man amixer |
| 15:14.56 | Xuse | Achoice no. |
| 15:14.57 | Lee__ | K_Dallas: lsof | grep keyword, where keyword is a directory you are copying. |
| 15:15.08 | Achoice | ok, thanx. *removing gnome* |
| 15:15.10 | Lee__ | then you can see what files are still open |
| 15:15.14 | directhex | Achoice, no. it uses GTK2 though. |
| 15:15.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | virtual, using cups? |
| 15:15.18 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.24 | Bogus8 | green_earz: I understand how the scripts get init... ahh ok ;) |
| 15:15.28 | Xuse | You might want to keep gnome libs for programs and stuff. |
| 15:15.35 | Lee__ | !remove gnome |
| 15:15.35 | dpkg | it has been said that remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove rest. |
| 15:15.35 | x2 | fluxbox with transparent aterms = sexy |
| 15:15.39 | K_Dallas | Lee__, copying from or into ? |
| 15:15.39 | Virtual | Kamping_Kaiser, cups? |
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| 15:16.04 | ruzbeh | cahoot, it doesn't work either |
| 15:16.09 | Lee__ | K_Dallas: it's just a string, so it doesn't matter. As long as it's a string you know will be in the cp command. |
| 15:16.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | Common Unix Printing System... a printer interface (as it were) |
| 15:16.18 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 15:16.19 | Bogus8 | green_earz: I'm looking to start it as a different user... the init script is in there already |
| 15:16.31 | Lee__ | !cups |
| 15:16.31 | dpkg | cups is probably a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 15:16.46 | ruzbeh | cahoot, I have the exact same problem as this guy: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-38093.html -- except i currently have it built-in not as module |
| 15:16.46 | E-bola | One of the NIC's in my server have started crashing or what u might call it, its becomes unreachable and i get loads of these lines in the /var/log/messages log: kernel: eth0: NULL pointer encountered in Rx ring, skipping |
| 15:16.52 | E-bola | do anybody have any clue to what it mgiht mean? |
| 15:16.56 | cahoot | ruzbeh: well - the real solution is spelled SoundBlaster anyway ;) |
| 15:16.57 | K_Dallas | Lee__, it is listed there as open file |
| 15:16.58 | Virtual | Kamping_Kaiser, oh, yes, I have selected that, now what? |
| 15:17.05 | singe | E-bola: what driver? |
| 15:17.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | open a browser, and type in "localhost:631: |
| 15:17.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | *631" |
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| 15:17.31 | Lee__ | K_Dallas: you can try and kill that process and do it again. Perhaps using rsync this time... |
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| 15:17.49 | E-bola | singe: im sory im not sure how to look that up? |
| 15:17.51 | green_earz | Virtual: have a look at > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-printer > section 3.6.2 CUPS it should be of help |
| 15:17.55 | K_Dallas | ok, i have to see first what rsync is but appreciate the help |
| 15:17.55 | Virtual | Kamping_Kaiser, Could not connect to host localhost (port 631). |
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| 15:18.06 | timt | can anyone tell me how to change my refresh rate ?? |
| 15:18.06 | Lee__ | rsync wikll only copy changed files |
| 15:18.12 | Lee__ | *will |
| 15:18.16 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 15:18.19 | Lee__ | np |
| 15:18.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | have you installed cups? or just selected for install? |
| 15:18.30 | E-bola | singe: 0000:00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 90) is the hardware |
| 15:18.42 | Virtual | I have selected it from control center from kde |
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| 15:18.59 | singe | E-bola: have you upgraded the driver at all? Changed anything? |
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| 15:19.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh ok. yeh i dont use KDE, so i head for the web interface |
| 15:19.05 | Bogus8 | green_earz: I understand where the scripts are and how they function in the different RL's I am looking to find out how to make a service run as a different user (like apache does) |
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| 15:19.10 | Ungy | Virtual apt-get install cupsys |
| 15:19.15 | BK | hmm, where can i read about installing mplayer for debian ? |
| 15:19.27 | Xuse | apt-get.org |
| 15:19.34 | E-bola | singe: no, that sthe weird thing, only change was we moved location |
| 15:19.35 | Lee__ | !mplayer |
| 15:19.35 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
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| 15:19.49 | fschulte | hi, i want to try out user-mode-linux with sarge (kernel 2.6.11), but i can't get the linux command, can you help? |
| 15:20.13 | Lee__ | fschulte: you'll have to build UML yourself. The package in sarge is lame and last time I checked, broken. |
| 15:20.25 | singe | E-bola: could it be wierd traffic? |
| 15:20.47 | fschulte | Lee__: where do i get the sources? |
| 15:21.07 | Lee__ | it's in the vanilla kernel source, just configure and compile with ARCH=um |
| 15:21.18 | Lee__ | or read the docs at http://user-mode-linux.sf.net |
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| 15:21.36 | E-bola | sineer: hmmm well I dont know, i dont control the entire network (its a dorm) but what kind of network should be able to make a nic crash? |
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| 15:21.59 | fschulte | Lee__: but that would only give me a new kernel, right? |
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| 15:22.33 | SixBlowfish | How do I mark a .deb as installed? |
| 15:22.34 | Bogus8 | I am looking to find out how to make a service run as a different user (like apache does) |
| 15:22.40 | Lee__ | fschulte: I think it's time you read the UML docs. you'll understand it better. |
| 15:22.41 | caphuso | SixBlowfish: by installing it |
| 15:22.42 | asg | SixBlowfish: you install it |
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| 15:22.56 | SixBlowfish | I want to install something from source |
| 15:22.59 | Evil_Homer | Bogus8, "man su" |
| 15:23.09 | fschulte | Lee__: if i understood the docs they say that i'm fine with 2.6.11 without patches |
| 15:23.10 | asg | SixBlowfish: man equivs (you get to keep both halves) |
| 15:23.15 | caphuso | SixBlowfish: you might get away with equivs, if you know what you are doing |
| 15:23.16 | singe | SixBlowfish: so use deb-src |
| 15:23.21 | Bogus8 | Evil_Homer: ok |
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| 15:23.37 | SixBlowfish | not debian source though, vanilla source, say openssh 4.1p1 |
| 15:23.49 | fschulte | Lee__: where can i configure ARCH=um in menuconfig? |
| 15:23.50 | singe | SixBlowfish: also have a look at apt-build |
| 15:23.58 | caphuso | SixBlowfish: backport it from sid |
| 15:24.11 | SixBlowfish | it's not there... |
| 15:24.11 | asg | SixBlowfish: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:24.18 | Bogus8 | Evil_Homer: I understand su to a point... so I would put that in the start command of the script? |
| 15:24.21 | caphuso | SixBlowfish: yes, it is |
| 15:24.24 | asg | !info openssh sid |
| 15:24.28 | SixBlowfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.33 | caphuso | !info openssh-server sid |
| 15:24.33 | SixBlowfish | ooops |
| 15:24.34 | asg | !info openssh-server sid |
| 15:24.38 | dpkg | openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.1p1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 264 kB, Installed size: 540 kB |
| 15:24.40 | singe | Bogus8: su -c |
| 15:24.42 | Lee__ | fschulte: it's time you RTFM... |
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| 15:24.58 | fschulte | Lee__: mmm, k |
| 15:25.08 | Bogus8 | singe: ok thanks... and that ONLY goes in the line that evokes the daemon? |
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| 15:25.20 | SixBlowfish | thanks, my bad |
| 15:25.24 | Eprohtlatco | Bogus8 : su <user> -c <command> |
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| 15:25.40 | ethics | hmm for some reason i need to be root to run jack?....i cant connect as a client as user 8( |
| 15:25.51 | Bogus8 | Eprohtlatco: the init script is already there... so I'm just editing the command that's there |
| 15:25.55 | singe | Bogus8: a lot of daemons will have confi options to run as a different user tho, so check their man page first |
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| 15:25.57 | x2 | okay, what do i do ... after an apt-get upgrade Errors were encountered while processing: gnump3d .. what do i have to do to get it upgraded? |
| 15:26.04 | green_earz | Bogus8: i no expert but apache runs a the apache users and all its new processes are run as child's of the parent process apache. may be very wrong here. but that how i see the question of yours. "run as a different user" |
| 15:26.16 | x2 | nm |
| 15:26.21 | x2 | stupid question |
| 15:26.23 | x2 | heh |
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| 15:26.29 | Bogus8 | green_earz: correct I want to make it run as it's own user (mpd) |
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| 15:26.56 | singe | x2: the error message is king |
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| 15:27.13 | Bogus8 | originally I installed this from apt-get but I needed the svn version, so I'm trying to edit the init script from the apt package to launch the new version |
| 15:27.23 | x2 | no error messages are worse than error messages |
| 15:27.41 | singe | x2: what errors were encountered? |
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| 15:27.54 | x2 | singe: dw, its all fixed |
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| 15:28.06 | undesktop | burning with my usb burner doesn't work on 2.6.11.10, but it did on 2.4; what could be the reasons? |
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| 15:28.39 | singe | undesktop: doesn't work? |
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| 15:29.12 | undesktop | singe: it's a bit strange: the burning process seems to freeze, and the usb device disconnects after some time (according to dmesg) |
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| 15:29.27 | honschu | The space between the lines in kwrite is too large, can I decrease it? |
| 15:29.36 | singe | undesktop: were you burning using SCSI before and ATAPI now? |
| 15:29.37 | Bogus8 | in the init script is has "ssd" on the begining of a few lines... what is ssd (it's not a command on the system) |
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| 15:29.47 | danield | hi |
| 15:30.01 | asg | honschu: try #debian-kde perhaps |
| 15:30.10 | undesktop | singe: no, I still use SCSI (maybe burning over usb only works on SCSI; cdrecord -scanbus outputs the same like on 2.4) |
| 15:30.12 | danield | i've upgraded from kernel 2.4 to kernel 2.6 and now I can't see the CD-ROM device. any idea why? |
| 15:30.12 | honschu | asg: ok |
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| 15:30.58 | undesktop | danield: "can't see"? |
| 15:31.05 | singe | right I am off to buy booze for the evening entertainment, nothing better than the end of a long hard week |
| 15:31.08 | singe | bye bye |
| 15:31.25 | danield | underdog, i mean, the cdrom is not detected anymore. |
| 15:31.30 | Xuse | cya singe |
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| 15:31.40 | fschulte | Lee__: got it :) |
| 15:31.49 | CosmoDad | is it still true that all users who like to use the audio device (with ALSA) must be member of the group 'audio' ? |
| 15:32.01 | danield | undesktop, this in adition that my SATA device moved from hda to sda in the transition... |
| 15:32.14 | Lee__ | fschulte: cool. /usr/bin/linux is actually the kernel! |
| 15:32.14 | E-bola | singe: apparently its a known issue with the driver :( |
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| 15:32.22 | ethics | 2,4 and2.6 kernels address hardware differently so things like cdrdao will have slightly different command lines |
| 15:32.25 | E-bola | i found some mods to the /proc/sys values thats supposed to fix it |
| 15:32.27 | danield | undesktop, the CDROM was on hdc before changing the kernel. |
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| 15:32.35 | green_earz | Bogus8: have a look at, it may you a pointer > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/ref.../ch-system.en.html#s-custombootscripts , and the service init.d is where put the startup script for your new process. ?? |
| 15:32.39 | __Donald__ | Does anyone know, if there still be security updates available for "woody" in the future? Or must i upgrade to newstable sarge to get current security patches? |
| 15:32.46 | undesktop | danield: maybe it also moved somewhere |
| 15:32.59 | Lee__ | !security |
| 15:32.59 | danield | undesktop, now the root is on /dev/sda (previously on /dev/hda). |
| 15:32.59 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
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| 15:33.13 | Bogus8 | green_earz: that url isn't valid |
| 15:33.14 | danield | undesktop, i see no CDROm message in dmesg :( |
| 15:33.16 | ethics | __Donald__, normally it goes for a while....i think the last release the supported for about a year |
| 15:33.19 | individuality | !xorg |
| 15:33.19 | dpkg | xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
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| 15:34.34 | __Donald__ | ethics: Thank you very much! |
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| 15:35.31 | SixBlowfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.47 | ethics | __donald__ basically on a release they advise people to start making plans toward upgrading....they expect larger companies to take many weeks to months to achieve this....it would be unwise to just cut them off and force a rushed and unthought out update |
| 15:36.09 | klaa | how do I unzip a zip file with tar? |
| 15:36.22 | caphuso | klaa: not at all |
| 15:36.22 | green_earz | Bogus8: 2.4.3 Customizing runlevels > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-custombootscripts |
| 15:36.24 | ethics | klaa you dont you use unzip |
| 15:36.24 | K_Dallas | klaa, you cannot |
| 15:36.36 | K_Dallas | apt-get install zip unzip |
| 15:36.50 | klaa | ok |
| 15:36.57 | caphuso | installing both zip and unzip is a bit redundant |
| 15:37.03 | ethics | klaa if its a gz then its gunzip or tar with a different switch ..tar is tar xvf foo i think |
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| 15:37.45 | Bogus8 | green_earz: I understand what a runlevel is... I understand what S and K symlinks are... I understand what init.d scripts do... I had very specific questions that those broad guides did NOTHING to answer... thanks for trying though |
| 15:37.57 | K_Dallas | tar zxvf foo.tar.gz OR tar jxvf foo.tar.bz |
| 15:38.03 | green_earz | ok |
| 15:38.07 | ethics | im amazed at the limited info i can find on jack via google 8( |
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| 15:38.19 | Lee__ | ethics: you mean the audio system? |
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| 15:38.26 | K_Dallas | ethics, try newsgroups/google |
| 15:38.32 | zalo | hi |
| 15:38.36 | roel- | why does sarge still come with rrdtool 1.0, and not with 1.2? |
| 15:38.40 | fschulte | are there any attempts to make a debian package for building user-mode-linux debs, like java-package does? |
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| 15:38.52 | ethics | Lee__, yah...im just trying to set it up |
| 15:38.54 | K_Dallas | ethics, one link i use: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 15:39.03 | __Donald__ | ethics: Yes. I´ve got a server on woody and at this time it is difficult to uprgade for my. |
| 15:39.04 | Lee__ | fschulte: I think there isn't because it's such a customized thing. You kind of have to roll your own. |
| 15:39.09 | zalo | i need a good documentation/howto/tutorial about debian-installer preseed.. do u know anything? |
| 15:39.28 | Lee__ | ethics: I followed the instructions on jackit.sf.net for the 2.6 kernel. apt-cache search realtime-lsm |
| 15:39.31 | fschulte | Lee__: np, me thinks |
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| 15:39.46 | ethics | lee__ i think i have the general jist of it but im only able to connect as root and to this point i havent managed to get output but the errors have gone now im working my through it...\ |
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| 15:39.58 | Lee__ | new version of KDE claims to support jack for system sound :) |
| 15:40.10 | Lee__ | ethics: apt-cache search realtime-lsm |
| 15:40.15 | Lee__ | that's what you need |
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| 15:40.31 | vorsprung | (c) he eats spam and pickle sandwiches |
| 15:40.35 | Lee__ | you have to build the realtime module against your kernel source |
| 15:40.37 | K_Dallas | Lee__, i was consulting my running-linux book and i noticed that linux sound system is really retarted or lagged :) |
| 15:40.41 | Lee__ | use module-assistant |
| 15:41.04 | Lee__ | K_Dallas: which one? There's three APIs :p |
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| 15:41.25 | ethics | lee, ahh thats the bit i was missing...i htought it was a kernel patch in everything after 2.5....8/ |
| 15:41.26 | K_Dallas | Lee__, i mean in general lagged via-a-vis the development in windows and mac |
| 15:41.44 | Lee__ | K_Dallas: that's not true at all. |
| 15:41.59 | K_Dallas | well, i tend to agree with the author |
| 15:42.19 | K_Dallas | but no need to discuss it further. |
| 15:42.34 | ethics | Lee__ yah i have done M-As before...only the latest alsa i compile myself caz alsa-source hasnt updated even though its working np and stable |
| 15:42.43 | Lee__ | K_Dallas: than you aren't trying hard enough. |
| 15:42.43 | bcole | K_Dallas: books become outdated very quickly |
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| 15:43.01 | ethics | Lee_ only about 1-2 weeks released tho so i expect it updates soon |
| 15:43.08 | K_Dallas | it is 2004 |
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| 15:43.26 | K_Dallas | edition and i dont want to try hard for gtting the sound running on a desktop! |
| 15:43.29 | ethics | would have liked to have squeez3ed it into sarge personally but hey im just a user |
| 15:43.40 | CosmoDad | is it possible to get a list of all the information dpkg knows about (I think it's called "factoids")? |
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| 15:45.20 | ethics | K_Dallas, from what ive read of late...ardour audacity and rosegarde are industry quality for output... |
| 15:45.33 | K_Dallas | bcole, my thing is that installing a desktop OS, no matter which one should easily and basically take care of a simple audio architecture that i have. i am not running an audio workstation here |
| 15:45.37 | cahoot | unless you have a soundcard with insufficient support |
| 15:45.44 | K_Dallas | ethics, that is what i have read too |
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| 15:45.52 | fr33mind | I had to do reseirfsck on my / and now, some librairies, links, are missing. I try ldconfig, and apt-get --reinstall evolution and always same problem... with some apps: error while loading shared libraries: libplc4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Can you tell me what to do ? |
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| 15:45.56 | ethics | rosegarden is very functional but midi is a bit of a pain with soundfonts atm but it may be fixed..im just starting my linux midi adventures |
| 15:45.59 | error403 | Hey, im having another problem with my network - i can access my laptop webserver via its IP address but not its hostname. Is this because i am doing something wrong? (I have always accessed via hostname before) |
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| 15:46.05 | rayen | hi i am trying to install my soundcard on Debian Sarge kernel 2.6.8-2-686-smp, according to the Debian FAQ Wiki - ' Use Sound Card', typing the command 'discover' should be enough, however this doesn't work, I don't hear any sound while playing an MP3 file with MPlayer, does somebody know how I could fix this ? |
| 15:46.25 | hejux | i have just installed the knoppix into my HD |
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| 15:46.42 | hejux | it is based the debian system |
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| 15:46.46 | ludi | what does this mean? |
| 15:46.47 | ludi | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:46.47 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.47 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.47 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:46.48 | hejux | it is great! |
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| 15:46.53 | bcole | K_Dallas: debian does, apt-get install alsa-source, compile and install, not hard |
| 15:46.55 | ethics | ardour is the closest thing to protools around] |
| 15:47.00 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.02 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.04 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.06 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.08 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.09 | hejux | hi |
| 15:47.15 | x2 | ludi: #FLOOD |
| 15:47.20 | bcole | ludi: paste elsewhere |
| 15:47.21 | bob2 | ludi: jesus dude |
| 15:47.21 | ethics | ludi you run sid yah? |
| 15:47.24 | bob2 | take a hint |
| 15:47.41 | ludi | ethics: yes |
| 15:47.48 | bcole | ludi: its broken |
| 15:47.50 | K_Dallas | bcole, you are not getting my point. even so, i still have to configreu it for dmix and not all programs are alsa aware and stuff like that which i do not really need to know to install a simple home-desktop |
| 15:47.53 | bob2 | gnome is fucked in sid |
| 15:47.56 | bob2 | film at 11 |
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| 15:48.06 | K_Dallas | i know you guys are expert but as a normal user, i wish it were easier |
| 15:48.07 | hejux | hi all |
| 15:48.07 | asg | bob2: s/is/is always/ |
| 15:48.12 | ethics | ludi Sid'd gonme is broken 2.10 updates rolling in...fix it if you can or wait or reinstall something like testing |
| 15:48.18 | bcole | K_Dallas: then maybe linux isnt for you |
| 15:48.20 | x2 | okay, night all |
| 15:48.23 | prodigel | hello. I have a system with 2 soundcards. One incorporate wich I don't use because it's broken, and the second a cmi8738 PCI. The problem is that every time I want to use the PCI card I call on alsaconf. Can you tell me a better way of dealing with this?\ |
| 15:48.27 | hejux | anyone want a talk with me ? |
| 15:48.36 | bob2 | prodigel: don't use alsaconf |
| 15:48.41 | bob2 | rayen: install the "hotplug" package |
| 15:48.44 | cahoot | prodigel: disable the onboard in bios |
| 15:48.54 | ethics | ludi it's only gnome you could run something like xfce or kde or flux etc' |
| 15:49.04 | hejux | hi |
| 15:49.13 | asg | !tell hejux about ask |
| 15:49.14 | rayen | bob2, it is already installed |
| 15:49.17 | prodigel | @cahoot. there is another problem: pretty often my bios is resseting and I can't do nothing about it. |
| 15:49.17 | ravenbird | okay, prodigel |
| 15:49.27 | hejux | ? |
| 15:49.30 | fr33mind | I had to do reseirfsck on my / and now, some librairies, links, are missing. I try ldconfig, and apt-get --reinstall evolution and always same problem... with some apps: error while loading shared libraries: libplc4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Can you tell me what to do ? |
| 15:49.30 | K_Dallas | bcole, dont be a wise guy, what do you mean it is not for me? i have it and i use it so what is your problem? cannot take a personal opinion without pushing it too hard? |
| 15:49.45 | hejux | i want a talk with anybody likes debian |
| 15:49.55 | cahoot | prodigel: make sure the module for the onboard doesn't get loaded |
| 15:50.02 | asg | hejux: if it's not technical, take it to #debian-offtopic. |
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| 15:50.08 | K_Dallas | linux is not more for elite in case you didnt know it already |
| 15:50.10 | CosmoDad | prodigel: and maybe see /etc/discover.conf for that |
| 15:50.21 | prodigel | @cahoot. Ok. That is a solution but I don't know how to do that |
| 15:50.22 | ravenbird | okay, prodigel |
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| 15:50.35 | rob_lt | Anybody just read ./ where the ps3 will have an optional HD with linux pre-installed? |
| 15:50.39 | bcole | K_Dallas: sounded more like a rant to me, and btw, im not an "expert" or "elite", but if you dont like the way an operting system is configured, why use it? |
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| 15:50.44 | hejux | it is about tec |
| 15:50.46 | rob_lt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:50.56 | cahoot | prodigel: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:51.02 | K_Dallas | Geeeeeeeeeee! you dont read me, bcole, do you? |
| 15:51.27 | hejux | ? |
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| 15:51.44 | error403 | Hey, im having another problem with my network - i can access my laptop webserver via its IP address but not its hostname. Is this because i am doing something wrong? (I have always accessed via hostname before) |
| 15:51.47 | asg | prodigel: stop prefacing people's names with '@' |
| 15:51.50 | Ungy | IS tehre anyone that has amanda-server installed that could graciously point to me the location of amlabel so I can change the damned permissions since th edfault package installed user of backup doesn;t have access right |
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| 15:52.06 | asg | Ungy: dpkg -L amanda-server | grep amlabel |
| 15:52.29 | asg | error403: fix your dns config (/etc/resolv.conf) |
| 15:53.03 | prodigel | what does that foo mean ? |
| 15:53.32 | Ungy | thank's asg |
| 15:53.39 | cahoot | prodigel: it's a placeholder for 'real' data |
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| 15:53.44 | error403 | asg, what should be in my resolve.conf ? |
| 15:53.44 | hejux | hi asg |
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| 15:53.59 | hejux | i am now in knoppix 3.9 EN |
| 15:54.00 | asg | error403: do you get your ip from dhcp or is it a static one? |
| 15:54.05 | asg | hejux: #knoppix |
| 15:54.15 | Ungy | I can't believe access for all of the damned amanda functions necessary to be run as the amanda user backup are all restricted root:root |
| 15:54.18 | hejux | #knoppix |
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| 15:54.29 | error403 | asg, its static i think, Debian wont talk to DHCP on my laptop |
| 15:54.32 | asg | hejux: yes, go to that channel. This is #debian. Debian is not Knoppix |
| 15:54.32 | Ungy | hejux /join #knoppix |
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| 15:54.39 | fr33mind | nobody know what to do?? error while loading shared libraries: libplc4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:54.45 | asg | error403: then you need to put a nameserver in ther (man 5 resolv.conf) |
| 15:54.51 | hejux | all right |
| 15:55.02 | hejux | thanks ungy |
| 15:55.06 | netzize | Hi, i can't find the tool wbinfo for samba configuration in debian. where can i find it? |
| 15:55.09 | error403 | ok, ill take a look at that asg , thanks |
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| 15:55.14 | asg | error403: you're welcome |
| 15:55.22 | CosmoDad | fr33mind: you seem to be a missing a file |
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| 15:56.07 | rob_lt | netzize: winbind? |
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| 15:56.29 | fr33mind | cosmodad: I know... I want to know how to réinstall it... I wrote in detail my problem twice in the channel... |
| 15:56.53 | bcole | fr33mind: do you have libnspr4 installed? |
| 15:57.06 | fr33mind | bcole: don't know how to know |
| 15:57.13 | netzize | rob_lt: yes for winbind |
| 15:57.34 | bcole | fr33mind: how have you been installing packages? |
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| 15:57.35 | hejux | asg: but knoppix based on debian the have a lot similar |
| 15:57.42 | fr33mind | bcole: apt-get |
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| 15:57.46 | netzize | ok. thx, i haven't installed winbind... |
| 15:57.47 | rob_lt | netzize: well, wbinfo is contained in the winbind package. |
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| 15:58.04 | netzize | sorry for that stupid question |
| 15:58.13 | fr33mind | bocle: I repeat my detail ask... : |
| 15:58.14 | cahoot | hejux: that discussion is held here multiple times daily - you won't succeed |
| 15:58.24 | bcole | fr33mind: then install libnspr4 and see what it says |
| 15:58.25 | rob_lt | netzize: np... I just found it by using apt-file. Have you used apt-file? |
| 15:58.32 | fr33mind | bcole: I had to do reseirfsck on my / and now, some librairies, links, are missing. I try ldconfig, and apt-get --reinstall evolution and always same problem... with some apps: error while loading shared libraries: libplc4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Can you tell me what to do ? |
| 15:58.37 | lifescan | what do i have to type to install the svn subervion downloader via apt-get install ... ? |
| 15:58.58 | fr33mind | bcole: libnspr4 is already the newest version. |
| 15:59.02 | netzize | rob_lt: i uses the search funktion on the debian-homepage and apt-cache |
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| 15:59.07 | hejux | cahoot : what do you mean ? |
| 15:59.26 | rob_lt | netzize: ok, cool :) |
| 15:59.32 | hejux | i think they are the same and now i installed the knoppix to my HD |
| 15:59.40 | fr33mind | bcole: excellent.. I do an --reinstall... and evolution work. |
| 15:59.45 | hejux | not on CD |
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| 15:59.51 | CyzarX | guys, how to check what shell is the machine using? |
| 16:00.00 | error403_ | asg, did you get my last message? |
| 16:00.09 | caphuso | WOAH! |
| 16:00.12 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.20 | error403_ | asg, i am using DHCP now, so what do i need to do to get the hostname to work? |
| 16:00.26 | fr33mind | bcole: I suppose you give me the package that contains my missing lib? If so... How to know wich package that has a specified file? |
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| 16:00.50 | bcole | fr33mind: i did, debian.org package search |
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| 16:00.58 | ludi | why doesn't enlightenment show up in the gdm session chooser menu? |
| 16:01.15 | fr33mind | bcole: ok.. thanks ;) I take notes |
| 16:01.16 | hejux | no one in #knoppix |
| 16:01.23 | oigres | Upps, am I missing something or non-US in the etch distribution is gone? |
| 16:01.34 | jethro | !nonus oigres |
| 16:01.35 | dpkg | Hey, oigres, the topic says non-us doesn't exist anymore. Wheee! Ask me about 'non-us'. |
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| 16:02.09 | error403 | asg, did you get my last message? |
| 16:02.15 | hejux | i am puzzled with apt-get |
| 16:02.18 | EdibleText | CyzarX, echo $SHELL |
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| 16:02.26 | asg | error403: sorry, was afk |
| 16:02.32 | error403 | asg, i am using DHCP now, so what do i need to do to get the hostname to work? |
| 16:02.37 | hejux | when i run it the second time it does not run |
| 16:02.46 | bcole | hejux: be more specific |
| 16:02.51 | muzzle | need help: multisession dvd burned with nero |
| 16:02.57 | fr33mind | bcole: another one... there is nothing to do (just wait?) for the gnome-panel package? |
| 16:02.58 | asg | error403: dhcp should provide your nameserver(s) automatically when you get a lease. |
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| 16:03.21 | error403 | asg, i am trying to use a local hostname, i.e. within my LAN |
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| 16:03.48 | ludi | why doesn't enlightenment show up in the gdm menu? |
| 16:03.48 | hejux | Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 16:03.48 | asg | error403: oh, well if the nameservers provided don't include your local lan, just put a ip/hostname mapping in /etc/hosts |
| 16:03.55 | bcole | fr33mind: im not sure on the current gnome-panel situation, i dont know when it will be resolved |
| 16:04.09 | hejux | always |
| 16:04.17 | ludi | bcole: 2-3 days |
| 16:04.17 | fr33mind | bcole: ok.. so I have to wait.. |
| 16:04.24 | fr33mind | bcole: and use kde :( |
| 16:04.24 | asg | hejux: you can only run one 'apt-get' at a time. If one is not running, then delete the lock and try again. |
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| 16:04.28 | ludi | fr33mind: 2-3 days |
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| 16:04.38 | asg | fr33mind: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:04.45 | ludi | why doesn't enlightenment show up in the gdm menu? |
| 16:04.46 | ethics | ludi: its just not it the sessions list as noone wronte an exec for it... |
| 16:04.52 | fr33mind | ludi: mouahahha not so sure... it's gnome... and Debian... so... 2-3 weaks! :p |
| 16:05.03 | hejux | always like that i must exit the console the start it again! |
| 16:05.04 | jethro | !tell ludi -about repeat |
| 16:05.07 | ludi | ethics: how do I add it to the sessions list? |
| 16:05.24 | ethics | ludi i dont know i havent use E much at all |
| 16:05.32 | fr33mind | I had the same question 2 days ago.. and no answer! I gave up and use kde :( <ludi> why doesn't enlightenment show up in the gdm menu? |
| 16:05.36 | __Donald__ | !security |
| 16:05.37 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 16:05.52 | ethics | ludi id expect you have to modify somethign in /etc/gdm or something maybee |
| 16:05.58 | o-o | what is this zdnet article on 30% of Debian systems breaking during upgrade? |
| 16:06.04 | ethics | ludi and put a script somewhere |
| 16:06.13 | hejux | during the apt-get update ruing i hit ctrl+Z to cancel it cause it is slowly |
| 16:06.22 | asg | o-o: a developer opining on why he thought the upgrade path was not stable enough. |
| 16:06.30 | ethics | o-o, : propaganda |
| 16:06.33 | o-o | got an URL? |
| 16:06.48 | hejux | then i ruan ape-get again it does not work |
| 16:06.49 | green_earz | error403: is the remote box on the lan a static ip ? or do it get a dynamic ip ? reason being if its static have a look at the file /etc/hosts on the local box, to add it info. may be wrong here but ? |
| 16:06.49 | asg | hejux: CTRL+Z doesn't kill a process, only puts it in a sleep background mode. |
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| 16:07.00 | asg | hejux: try 'fg' and the CTRL+C to stop it. |
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| 16:07.16 | klaa | damn, I have no sound! What do I need to get sound? Im downloading alsa-base but I guess it's not enough? |
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| 16:07.25 | asg | hejux: man bash ; /JOB CONTROL |
| 16:07.35 | ethics | klaa what kernel you have? |
| 16:07.42 | klaa | ethics: 2.6 |
| 16:07.49 | EdibleText | klaa, have you run 'alsaconf'? |
| 16:07.51 | ethics | klaa alsaconf as root |
| 16:08.09 | ethics | klaa if it doesnt find it let me know |
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| 16:08.16 | hejux | what is fg? |
| 16:08.17 | error403 | green_earz, its on dynamic now, getting it from DHCP, but the hostname is still not working |
| 16:08.23 | asg | hejux: man bash ; /JOB CONTROL |
| 16:08.28 | hejux | ok |
| 16:08.39 | hejux | ctrl+c works fine |
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| 16:08.42 | hejux | thanks! |
| 16:08.58 | hejux | :) |
| 16:09.00 | dan2 | asg: yo |
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| 16:09.09 | dan2 | asg: do you have any experience setting up circular replication in mysql |
| 16:09.14 | resiak | !faw klaa |
| 16:09.18 | resiak | !faq klaa |
| 16:09.18 | hejux | irc is very useful! |
| 16:09.19 | dpkg | klaa: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:09.22 | hejux | i like debian |
| 16:09.38 | faw | resiak, hmmm |
| 16:09.38 | hejux | it works fine then windows |
| 16:09.39 | faw | :) |
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| 16:09.44 | asg | dan2: no, we don't currently do replication at all on our mysql setups. |
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| 16:09.54 | resiak | faw: Sorreh. |
| 16:10.02 | faw | resiak, np. |
| 16:10.03 | dan2 | asg: ok |
| 16:10.18 | jim | irc can be useful yes... but you'll find it lacking when you are onto subjects that less and less people understand, and for which you'd have to read up anyway |
| 16:10.29 | CyzarX | ty EdibleText |
| 16:10.55 | error403 | is there a dpkg-reconfigure for network? |
| 16:10.55 | jim | so what's more useful than irc is becoming an independent info gatherer |
| 16:10.57 | asg | dan2: I'd rather like some type of raided virtualized SQL frontend that would write to n backends instead but I don't think such a thing exists. |
| 16:11.01 | resiak | error403: man interfaces |
| 16:11.07 | error403 | so that i can set my hostname etc |
| 16:11.23 | ludi | which file do I edit in order to add an enlightenment to my gdm menu? |
| 16:11.28 | resiak | error403: man hostname |
| 16:11.41 | dan2 | asg: replication is needed right now for our multiple datacenters, and two of which are only connected on sip t1 to each other |
| 16:11.50 | asg | ludi: /etc/X11/gdm (something with Sessions in that directory iirc.) |
| 16:11.58 | Skyblaze | why my firefox draw web pages bad in any environment other than gnome and when really no gnome-settings-daemon run? |
| 16:12.05 | aminorex | anybody using a sarge guest in vmware5 with nat? |
| 16:12.12 | Skyblaze | it seems like the theme trmble on the screen |
| 16:12.18 | asg | dan2: afaik, mysql (at least the 4.0 series) doesn't support bi-directional replication |
| 16:12.20 | ludi | asg: /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession? |
| 16:12.25 | dan2 | asg: yes it does |
| 16:12.27 | asg | ludi: that's a good place to look |
| 16:12.35 | hejux | pm? |
| 16:12.36 | dan2 | asg: in fact, 4.0 series is first to support circular replication |
| 16:12.39 | hejux | can you ? |
| 16:12.39 | resiak | Skyblaze: If you're not running an GTK themer, Firefox will be unthemed. I recommend xfce-mcs-manager |
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| 16:12.47 | asg | dan2: oh, my mistake, I was thinking of 3.23.x |
| 16:12.47 | jaldhar | aminorex: btw do you know if vmware5 fixed the udev problem. I was wondering if I should upgrade from 4 |
| 16:12.53 | resiak | Skyblaze: You could also set up a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 16:12.55 | fr33mind | ludi: if you find how to add enlightenment in gdm... tell me ;) (If you install wdm, you will have it in the menu) |
| 16:12.59 | dan2 | asg: what you do is set up all of them as master/slave |
| 16:13.02 | asg | hejux: no, just ask in channel then you benefit from peer review. |
| 16:13.05 | CosmoDad | how can I forward all mail dedicated to root on my router to user@workstation, all within my local network? Which exim configuration type (using eximconfig/dpkg-reconfigure) do I have to choose? |
| 16:13.19 | aminorex | jaldhar: i'm not familiar with the issue. this is my first debian guest |
| 16:13.21 | ludi | fr33mind: yea I noticed wmaker gets added to the menu automatically |
| 16:13.22 | CosmoDad | mail is not supposed to leave the LAN |
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| 16:13.33 | asg | CosmoDad: just add root: user@foo to /etc/aliases |
| 16:13.34 | jetscreamer | enlightenment gets into the gdm menu in sid nowadays, i just installed it a few days ago and it worked |
| 16:13.37 | Skyblaze | resiak, i have full xfce and i have already try any sort of thing with .gtkrc-2.0 but i have always this strange effect...noone understand why |
| 16:13.38 | jaldhar | aminorex: oh so you are not using Debian as a host? |
| 16:13.39 | Skyblaze | -_- |
| 16:13.48 | resiak | Skyblaze: Screenshot? |
| 16:14.00 | ethics | aminorex...vmwar3gsy with debian guest in it...its pretty close |
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| 16:14.16 | asg | dan2: ah, okay. I might look into that then, we will be needing to do that RSN. |
| 16:14.26 | aminorex | jaldhar: correct. my problem is using it as a guest with a NAT network configuration. looking for experienced advice on the problem. |
| 16:14.31 | dan2 | asg: I mean, we didn't need clustering because it doesn't need to be realtime |
| 16:14.38 | dan2 | asg: it needs to sync every 5 minutes or so |
| 16:14.46 | Skyblaze | resiak, it's strange.....with screenshot you would not notice the effect.....it is there when for example you move the mouse over the screen oin the web page or the navigation bar |
| 16:14.51 | ethics | amin: whats the problem? i do it most days at work |
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| 16:15.01 | ludi | asg: I don't see anything in /etc/X11/gdm... |
| 16:15.09 | Skyblaze | it tremble and move a little |
| 16:15.10 | green_earz | error403: the local box needs to resolve the remote hostname to a ip, that where /etc/hosts file come in on the local box, so in my veiw the remote box needs to be a static ip so the local box can resovle its ip .. again may be completely wrong but ? |
| 16:15.11 | asg | dan2: yeah, we probably need realtime clustering for load. |
| 16:15.13 | ludi | asg: I mean, anything that looks like I can add entries to the gdm menu of course |
| 16:15.15 | klaa | Now when I did alsaconfig and alsamixer do I need to restart X to get the sound to work for xmms? Because it's still not working |
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| 16:15.30 | CosmoDad | asg: my problem is: when I try "exim -bt user@workstation" I get "user@workstation is undeliverable: unrouteable mail domain "workstation" " so I guess the alias won't work |
| 16:15.32 | asg | ludi: hmmm, okay. I don't know then. |
| 16:15.37 | jaldhar | aminorex: oh never mind then. fwiw I've installed sarge under vmware4 in that configuration without problems |
| 16:15.39 | Skyblaze | i have been searching in the web for months |
| 16:15.49 | Skyblaze | but i didn't find anything |
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| 16:16.08 | asg | CosmoDad: oh, is a single host receiving and routing mail for all workstations? |
| 16:16.08 | aminorex | ethics: i can ping the host gateway (vmnet8), and the host external IP, but i can't get beyond it. if i use dhcp, it will work for a short time, then fail, i think at the next lease refresh. |
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| 16:16.20 | Skyblaze | only if i start gnome-settings-daemon it is good |
| 16:16.57 | CosmoDad | asg: I haven't succeeded at configurating it appropriately, but yes I'd like one host to receive all internal mail |
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| 16:17.11 | Skyblaze | no one can telle me what is it |
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| 16:17.13 | CosmoDad | asg: routing should only be necessary internally since I don't want mail to leave my LAN at all |
| 16:17.19 | Skyblaze | and understand what it is |
| 16:17.22 | dan2 | !op sparr_ is blasting ctcp to the whole channel |
| 16:17.22 | dpkg | okay, dan2 |
| 16:17.27 | asg | CosmoDad: then use dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (or eximconfig for v3) and use the smarthost option (2 or 3). |
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| 16:17.33 | dan2 | !ops sparr_ is blasting ctcp to the whole channel |
| 16:17.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sparr_ is blasting ctcp to the whole channel |
| 16:17.37 | mdke | damn lost connectivity |
| 16:17.47 | mdke | can someone help me with networking/mail? I want to set up a mail redirect from my account to an email address, but I don't know how to set it up with my network. |
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| 16:17.53 | CosmoDad | asg: doesn't the smarthost setting require an smtp server as relaying host? |
| 16:17.54 | caphuso | dan2: so what? |
| 16:18.01 | dan2 | caphuso: its irritating |
| 16:18.06 | caphuso | dan2: tell him to not do it yourself and be done with it |
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| 16:18.23 | LoRez | sparr_: you might want to turn off the avatar junk in MS chat |
| 16:18.30 | asg | CosmoDad: yes, I assume the one machine you want to receive mail will be that smarthost. |
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| 16:18.35 | sparr_ | LoRez: a) not junk. b) not using MS chat. |
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| 16:19.01 | asg | CosmoDad: you can also rewrite all outbound addresses so they go to the right place. Ask #exim for more help in that area though. |
| 16:19.13 | sparr_ | dan2: youd rather i do it one person at a time? thats just wasteful of bandwidth |
| 16:19.14 | LoRez | sparr_: a) yes it is. b) I don't care what you're using the ctcp junk isn't accepted here. |
| 16:19.28 | CosmoDad | asg: ok. Last one: How'd I reconfigure the receiving host in eximconfig: as "delivery local only" ? |
| 16:19.31 | bob2 | sparr_: just don't do it all then |
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| 16:20.02 | asg | bob2: is there even a legitimate reason to version a channel these days? |
| 16:20.05 | bob2 | no |
| 16:20.09 | CosmoDad | asg: would that work: smarthost as "local delivery only", all other hosts as "use smarthost" (speaking in terms of eximconfig) ? |
| 16:20.11 | asg | bob2: then it's a poll. |
| 16:20.22 | sparr_ | asg: i wasnt doing VERSION, i did AVATAR |
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| 16:20.40 | bob2 | which is even dumber |
| 16:20.40 | sparr_ | now i have the avatars of those users that provide them |
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| 16:20.50 | ejoy | Hi there. Is there any chkconfig (or similar tool) in debian to maintain /etc/rcX.d? |
| 16:20.57 | bob2 | ejoy: update-rc.d |
| 16:21.05 | bob2 | but you're going to end up using sysv-rc-conf or rm, anyway |
| 16:21.08 | stouset | sparr_: Since when did IRC start having avatars? |
| 16:21.08 | ejoy | bob2: thanks, I'll look it |
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| 16:21.20 | sparr_ | stouset: i dunno, few years ago? |
| 16:21.35 | stouset | sparr_: Clients support it? |
| 16:21.39 | kipst | Hi. Is someone from poland in here? |
| 16:21.49 | klaa | How can I restard X and xfce4? |
| 16:21.52 | sparr_ | stouset: kvirc does. and if LoRez is correct then ms chat does too |
| 16:21.59 | stouset | !pl |
| 16:21.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 16:22.03 | stouset | Neat. |
| 16:22.09 | asg | CosmoDad: well the smarthose would have to accept delivery from all the others so just make it a regular smtp server. |
| 16:22.14 | kipst | thx |
| 16:22.30 | stouset | No problem. |
| 16:22.30 | mdke | can someone help me with networking/mail? I want to set up a mail redirect from my account to an email address, but I don't know how to set it up with my network. |
| 16:22.54 | sparr_ | stouset: apparently the 'Neat'ness is up for debate. some people seem to have serious issues about being CTCP'd |
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| 16:23.07 | sparr_ | stouset: lord knows how they would feel if i fingered them :) |
| 16:23.10 | ludi | how do I change from unstable to testing? |
| 16:23.14 | caphuso | ludi: reinstall |
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| 16:23.20 | asg | !pal ludi |
| 16:23.24 | bob2 | ludi: you can't downgrade |
| 16:23.31 | bob2 | well, not easily and reliably, anyway |
| 16:23.46 | fan_gnr | I have tried to install Debian Woody 3.0r4 many times, but without luck. |
| 16:23.47 | fan_gnr | The problem that I used to face was not being able to start the GUI. |
| 16:23.47 | fan_gnr | After that, I kinda sorted out that the version of X Free 86 that was shipped with Woody, did not quite support my Graphics Card. |
| 16:23.50 | fan_gnr | Here are some of my Video Card Related Details: |
| 16:23.52 | fan_gnr | HIS MOtherboard with VIA Chipset. |
| 16:23.54 | fan_gnr | Integrated Video Shared Memory (32MB) |
| 16:23.58 | fan_gnr | Graphics Card: S3 Graphics PRO Savage DDR. |
| 16:24.01 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 16:24.02 | fan_gnr | Now, I want to install this Woody stuff under any cost. |
| 16:24.07 | asg | gah |
| 16:24.14 | asg | fan_gnr: just install sarge, it's stable |
| 16:24.17 | caphuso | fan_gnr: stop that crap. and use sarge |
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| 16:24.21 | fan_gnr | plz.......plz... |
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| 16:24.26 | fan_gnr | i want to install woody |
| 16:24.27 | stouset | fan_gnr: Sarge was released 4 days ago. Use that instead. |
| 16:24.28 | asg | fan_gnr: or try using the X version 3 S3 package |
| 16:24.32 | stouset | fan_gnr: why? |
| 16:24.34 | fan_gnr | i don't have fast internet connection there |
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| 16:25.02 | CosmoDad | asg: ok... |
| 16:25.08 | exobyte | is there a term for a vpn that only connects one computer to a network, not two networks? |
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| 16:25.15 | asg | fan_gnr: have it update while you are sleeping? |
| 16:25.21 | fan_gnr | can anybody tell me to replace the version of X 86 shipped witht hat? |
| 16:25.34 | fan_gnr | but i am on dial up......not affordable man1 |
| 16:25.36 | green_earz | fan_gnr: ebay for a dvd set or a cd set |
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| 16:25.47 | bob2 | fan_gnr: what country are you in? |
| 16:25.58 | dockane | is there any chance to recover a partition that is listed by qtparted as "type: free / hidden" ? |
| 16:25.58 | fan_gnr | but the only problem with woody i am facing is X free 86 server |
| 16:25.58 | asg | exobyte: there maybe a technical term but I usually just call the 'snotdrops' |
| 16:26.00 | fan_gnr | india |
| 16:26.06 | fschulte | is it possible to use a journaling fs with uml? |
| 16:26.08 | bob2 | fan_gnr: talk to your local LUG |
| 16:26.09 | fan_gnr | bob2, india |
| 16:26.18 | exobyte | asg: lol. I need a term I can google. |
| 16:26.18 | fan_gnr | bob2, LUG? |
| 16:26.22 | stouset | fan_gnr: What is wrong with XFree? |
| 16:26.27 | bob2 | dockane: gpart might be able to reconstruct your partition table |
| 16:26.36 | bob2 | dockane: dude, pick a channel |
| 16:26.38 | asg | exobyte: try one to many vpn |
| 16:26.39 | fan_gnr | stouset, i could install debian properly, but i don't get a GUI |
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| 16:26.47 | stouset | !doesn't work |
| 16:26.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 16:26.56 | fan_gnr | stouset, i need help only to start the GUI |
| 16:26.57 | ethics | exobyte: cisco call it RoadWarrior...and i think swan picked it up also for client server rather than server server ipsec...not sure if its specific to ipsec |
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| 16:27.03 | asg | fan_gnr: did you try the X v3 S3 package yet? |
| 16:27.27 | mdke | no one can help with my networking? I need to know how to set it up to use my domainname and to set up a mail redirect from my local mail to a remote mail account |
| 16:27.37 | bob2 | er |
| 16:27.39 | asg | mdke: man 5 alias |
| 16:27.40 | bob2 | that's too vague |
| 16:27.58 | mdke | bob2, i don't know enough about it to be more specific :( |
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| 16:28.11 | mdke | asg, No entry for alias in section 5 of the manual |
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| 16:28.22 | bob2 | if you mean "Can no one help me not learn how mail systems work? I want my machine to receive email for a domain, and forward it somewhere else", then that's trivial |
| 16:28.23 | fan_gnr | stouset, asg, i tried to use some other version of savage driver to support my card, but no use |
| 16:28.27 | ethics | mdke: you host your own mail server or you get mail via pop3 pickup at isp? |
| 16:28.30 | Jimmy-HPC_ | anyone know why gdm keeps getting put back into all of my runlevels (/etc/rc[0-9].d) after and during a FAI installation |
| 16:28.30 | asg | mdke: then look at /etc/aliases (examples are in there.) |
| 16:28.54 | fan_gnr | stouset, asg, how do i install the new version of xFree 86 that supports my S3 Pro Savage Video card? |
| 16:28.58 | dockane | bob2, i ran gpart and wrote the guessed partition table ( it looks like the geometrie was not correct) btw: is it condemnable to post the same question on 2 different cahnnels ? |
| 16:29.01 | mdke | ethics, i get mail via pop3, and i wish to set up my debian server to redirect mail to there |
| 16:29.08 | mdke | asg, ok will try it |
| 16:29.10 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: because it'd be a bug if it didn't |
| 16:29.10 | fan_gnr | asg, remember, i don't have the GUI , but i have live CDs |
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| 16:29.25 | bob2 | dockane: oh, guess you'll need to get the backups out, unfortunately |
| 16:29.31 | mdke | bob2, if its trivial, can you help me with it? |
| 16:29.39 | bob2 | dockane: it's very rude to ask for help in a channel for a distro you're not using |
| 16:29.42 | asg | fan_gnr: if the X4 version doesn't support it and the X3 version doesn't, then I don't know what to tell you. |
| 16:29.45 | bob2 | mdke: if you ask a useful question |
| 16:29.55 | exobyte | ethics: thx. that's why I've been seeing roadwarrior somewhat often. I'd LIKE to do ipsec, but I have a windows client, and if I have to play with anything facny, screw it |
| 16:29.56 | ethics | so you dont want to recieve mail on your debian system anymore but the messages that debian send to root goes to the isp? |
| 16:30.02 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso: how do I change that? because if the X config doesn't work and crashes the system will never be usable, right? |
| 16:30.18 | fan_gnr | asg, no man, i remember somebody told me once to try a different version of Xfree86 |
| 16:30.26 | mdke | ethics, i want to set up a mail address at my domain, which is a redirect to my normal remote email account |
| 16:30.32 | fan_gnr | asg, i just don't remember which! |
| 16:30.35 | asg | fan_gnr: did they tell you which different version to try? |
| 16:30.36 | asg | bah |
| 16:30.38 | bob2 | mdke: did you agree or disagree with my guess? |
| 16:30.47 | ethics | exobyte windows 2k+ has ipsec and pptp in buit but i never worked it out hehe i just set up pptpd |
| 16:30.48 | dockane | bob2, i am using currently ubuntu, but the screwed up hard disk is is in a debian mashine. |
| 16:30.57 | fan_gnr | asg, which version you think must not be supporting my card? anyways, what is the current version? |
| 16:30.57 | asg | fan_gnr: does one of your live CDs work? |
| 16:30.59 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: 1) of course it will be usable, you still have runlevel 1 to work in. 2) if you don't want gdm, why don't you simply remove it. 3) why are you deleting all symlinks in all runlevels when the update-rc.d documentation clearly states that this is a bad idea? |
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| 16:31.12 | fan_gnr | asg, yeah, i have mepis, and one ubuntu live cd |
| 16:31.16 | exobyte | ethics: I'd use pptp, but I hear it's very insecure |
| 16:31.17 | drc_ | yeye, now my sound works. But I lost the xfce toolbar :P |
| 16:31.18 | mdke | bob2, "I want my machine to receive email for a domain, and forward it somewhere else" is right yes |
| 16:31.29 | bob2 | mdke: you're using exim4 or postfix? |
| 16:31.30 | asg | fan_gnr: well, at a guess, they probably use x.org which debian doesn't have right now. |
| 16:31.32 | fan_gnr | asg, i am ready to note down incase you tell me something |
| 16:31.33 | mdke | bob2, postfix |
| 16:31.36 | ethics | exobyte, i have however done lan to lan ipsec back in the freswan 1.3-4 era...was fun hehe |
| 16:31.42 | bob2 | mdke: also, if this is a home internet connection, your isp may have fucked you over already |
| 16:31.51 | asg | fan_gnr: and certainly not on woody |
| 16:31.53 | exobyte | ethics: yeah, uh, "fun" |
| 16:31.54 | fan_gnr | asg, i remember i was told to download a seperate package |
| 16:31.56 | mdke | bob2, in what way? |
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| 16:32.07 | bob2 | mdke: by blocking incoming port 25 |
| 16:32.08 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso: well I used update-rc.d to do so, but it also installs it into rc1.d and that is a problem, the other thing is that gdm is an in house standard for some reason (trying to get it changed) |
| 16:32.14 | asg | fan_gnr: yes, probably X.org's packages. /msg dpkg x.org |
| 16:32.18 | ethics | exobyte i heard that too but have never heard of anything every being exploited .....its like a myth i think hehe |
| 16:32.19 | fan_gnr | asg, of xfree, and was told to replace the existing with the new version |
| 16:32.28 | bob2 | mdke: first check that it actually works |
| 16:32.31 | exobyte | ethics: I'm honestly getting sick of computers.. I'm going to be a senior cs student, too |
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| 16:32.45 | mdke | bob2, ok how can I do that (i'm pretty sure it will be ok) |
| 16:32.47 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso: so i guess my question is what configures what packages go into what runlevel |
| 16:33.04 | fan_gnr | asg, what from your experience you say, that is the version of Xfree86 shipped with woody? |
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| 16:33.04 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: it does what in rc1? |
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| 16:33.06 | exobyte | ethics: huh, I never did see do _______ to explot it (unlike wep and wpa) |
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| 16:33.07 | jim | Jimmy-HPC_: all runlevels identical by default. |
| 16:33.10 | fan_gnr | asg, i don't remember it |
| 16:33.11 | ethics | exobyte heheh i have been trying to swap industries for 3 years i cant get out hehe |
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| 16:33.33 | asg | fan_gnr: http://blogs.vislab.usyd.edu.au/index.php/Steve/2004/09/09/installing_a_non_intrusive_x#installing_a_non_intrusive_x (try that first) |
| 16:33.37 | fan_gnr | asg, running a new version should solve the problem, but can you tell me how can i replace the existing with the current one? |
| 16:33.39 | fan_gnr | k |
| 16:33.50 | exobyte | ethics: yeah.. needless to say I screwed up |
| 16:33.55 | bob2 | mdke: run "nc -l -p 25" and then tell us the ip |
| 16:34.01 | fan_gnr | asg, thanks, i will check that and be back soon |
| 16:34.02 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso and jim: somehow gdm gets put into runlevel one, but I am not sure how (I come from the gentoo and redhat world) |
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| 16:34.07 | jeffx | if i remove a service with update-rc.d, how can i restore the service back to default? |
| 16:34.12 | asg | fan_gnr: the version of X4 in woody is 4.1.2, the one in sarge is 4.3. |
| 16:34.17 | green_earz | mdke: have a look at no-ip for mail reflextion http://www.no-ip.com/ reason being if your isp blocks port 25 for mail |
| 16:34.17 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: i really doubt that |
| 16:34.24 | bob2 | jeffx: also qith update-rc.d |
| 16:34.25 | asg | fan_gnr: the link I gave you is for the next gen X that is used by ubuntu. |
| 16:34.28 | ethics | exobyte, hehe we all screw up its just how well we recover from it hehe |
| 16:34.28 | fan_gnr | asg, ok |
| 16:34.31 | jim | Jimmy-HPC_: 1 is single user mode |
| 16:34.38 | mdke | bob2, i don't have that command installed, which package is it in? |
| 16:34.45 | gjaouen | directhex|work : hi again :) thank for your help last time, finally i found what's going wrong, it was the xinetd configuration |
| 16:34.47 | bob2 | mdke: netcat |
| 16:34.49 | cbr | X.org > * |
| 16:34.53 | fan_gnr | asg, but is that anyways useful for me, i want my woody working under any case, i have decided that! |
| 16:34.54 | mdke | bob2, i've just set up my router to forward tcp&udp to the relevant machine |
| 16:34.57 | jim | 2345 are the actual multiuser modes |
| 16:34.59 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso: i was quite surprised as well... indeed it is jim, so on a few machines which crashed on X start (bad config) I could never get into single user mode to fix them |
| 16:35.03 | jeffx | bob2: it doesnt set to the default, all sets to 20. |
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| 16:35.13 | exobyte | ethics: yeah, yeah.. well, I need to secure my wireless connection. If I don't, I just wasted $35 |
| 16:35.27 | asg | fan_gnr: then try it and hopefully that will solve your problem. |
| 16:35.28 | jeffx | default/original value |
| 16:35.41 | asg | fan_gnr: otherwise, you'll need to look for backports (backports.org) |
| 16:35.46 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: i still think you're either making things up or are not understanding what you see |
| 16:35.48 | ethics | exobyte, are you running WEP? |
| 16:35.56 | mdke | bob2, should i run that command as user or root |
| 16:36.01 | exobyte | ethics: no. too paranoid |
| 16:36.04 | bob2 | mdke: root |
| 16:36.05 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso and jim: so I have been trying desparately to find out what puts these things into single user mode |
| 16:36.07 | fan_gnr | asg, ok, but i wil have to predownload everything and make it work, right? |
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| 16:36.15 | asg | fan_gnr: yes |
| 16:36.17 | bob2 | mdke: well, it doesn't matter, actually, if you have postfix listening on port 25 |
| 16:36.20 | fan_gnr | asg, is there anyway i can contact you? |
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| 16:36.29 | mdke | bob2, it pauses for a while then says "Can't grab 0.0.0.0:25 with bind" |
| 16:36.31 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.35 | asg | fan_gnr: just ask back here, someone will be around |
| 16:36.37 | bob2 | mdke: cool, postfix is running |
| 16:36.40 | ethics | exobyte, fair enough, let me know how you go if you see me ...im curious if roadwarrior is hard nowadays |
| 16:36.42 | bob2 | mdke: now tell someone external the ip |
| 16:36.43 | caphuso | this does _not_ start gdm in runlevel 1 |
| 16:36.45 | fan_gnr | asg, ok fine |
| 16:36.48 | mdke | bob2, you? |
| 16:36.52 | bob2 | anyone |
| 16:36.53 | mdke | bob2, mdke.org |
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| 16:36.54 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso: haha!! I've never been called a liar on a support channel, but I am perfectly honest, somehow apache is even being put into runlevel 1 |
| 16:37.00 | fan_gnr | asg, thanks man |
| 16:37.05 | bob2 | mdke: er |
| 16:37.08 | bob2 | mdke: that has no A record |
| 16:37.12 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: then you're not using debian and need to go away |
| 16:37.14 | bob2 | mdke: ie, it doesn't resolve to an IP |
| 16:37.14 | mdke | hmm |
| 16:37.22 | exobyte | ethics: I will. I have a feeling I'll be here all summer |
| 16:37.27 | mdke | bob2, yes just noticed that myself |
| 16:37.35 | mdke | bob2, mdke.mine.nu then |
| 16:37.54 | jim | Jimmy-HPC_: aiui the boot process uses runlevel 1 as a passthru mode to initialize certain things |
| 16:37.57 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: what is it that makes you think that stuff would be put in runlevel 1? |
| 16:38.01 | bob2 | mdke: connection refused |
| 16:38.04 | asg | exobyte: you can do simple vpns with ssh and pppd (provided you have an ssh running on the other network and that a free ip is available there also.) |
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| 16:38.36 | mdke | bob2, does that mean my isp is blocking it? |
| 16:38.38 | jim | caphuso: ls /etc/rc1.d |
| 16:38.57 | jim | he's right, there is stuff in there |
| 16:39.04 | zumbi | is there any channel on digital signal processing ? |
| 16:39.07 | caphuso | jim: lots of K* links, obviously |
| 16:39.10 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso: I am sorry to see that you react to honest questions with hostility... I am most certainly using sarge here and somehow stuff is being put into runlevel 1 and I was hoping someone could help out... |
| 16:39.20 | bob2 | mdke: is postfix listening on your lan address or 0.0.0.0? (sudo netstat -plunt | grep postfix) |
| 16:39.24 | jim | not all of them |
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| 16:39.32 | Daurnimator | can you install sarge with only the first dvd? |
| 16:39.34 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso: because when i ls /etc/rc1.d apache and gdm are in there |
| 16:39.34 | jim | look again :P |
| 16:39.41 | caphuso | jim: show me |
| 16:39.44 | caphuso | damm |
| 16:39.48 | mdke | bob2, i don't have sudo either, but i know what you mean ;) |
| 16:39.49 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: show me |
| 16:39.53 | mdke | bob2, nothing shown from that command |
| 16:40.00 | bob2 | mdke: er, weird |
| 16:40.04 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: what does "ls /etc/rc1.d/*gdm*" say? |
| 16:40.10 | jim | ls /etc/rc1.d/S* |
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| 16:40.27 | jim | but that probably doesn't deal with gdm |
| 16:40.30 | caphuso | /etc/rc1.d/S* |
| 16:40.31 | caphuso | /etc/rc1.d/S05single@ |
| 16:40.40 | Daurnimator | can you install sarge with only the first dvd? I have downloaded it and the other is coming |
| 16:40.53 | sparr_ | Daurnimator: yes |
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| 16:40.56 | jim | caphuso: ahh |
| 16:40.57 | mdke | bob2, i just did /etc/init.d/postfix start, could you try again? |
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| 16:41.07 | bobbens | Daurnimator: yes, you can even do it with the 130 mb netinst iso |
| 16:41.07 | bob2 | mdke: same |
| 16:41.10 | bob2 | mdke: run netstat again |
| 16:41.19 | mdke | bob2, nothing |
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| 16:41.31 | mdke | bob2, could there be something wrong with my network configuration? |
| 16:41.33 | sparr_ | Daurnimator: anything past the first hundred megs is fluff software that youd be better off downloading from the net at install time |
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| 16:41.46 | bob2 | mdke: no |
| 16:41.51 | jim | so then runlevel 1 isn't touched by normal boots? |
| 16:41.54 | bob2 | mdke: well, yes, but for now postfix isn't even working |
| 16:42.07 | caphuso | jim: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 16:42.10 | mdke | bob2, the process is there |
| 16:42.11 | jim | aside from which, I thought S was single, not 1 |
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| 16:42.18 | bob2 | mdke: but not listening on the lan |
| 16:42.21 | Xuse | anything more than the net install is too much |
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| 16:42.24 | bob2 | mdke: sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 16:42.27 | mdke | bob2, ok |
| 16:42.29 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso and jim: K01gdm is in /etc/rc1.d on all of these machines that were FAI'ed |
| 16:42.30 | bob2 | mdke: make sure you tell it to be an internet hsyt |
| 16:42.47 | mdke | ok |
| 16:42.53 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: do you see that big "K" there? |
| 16:42.53 | Jimmy-HPC_ | so when I try to reboot into single user mode it stilltries to start X!! |
| 16:42.53 | ethics | debian has different runlevels...i think of them as offf fixing and on hehhee....012 |
| 16:42.54 | jim | Jimmy-HPC_: what's K mean? |
| 16:43.16 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: stop messing with runlevels. you're seriously over your limits |
| 16:43.21 | Jimmy-HPC_ | yeah K shouldn't start right? |
| 16:43.21 | mdke | bob2, Internet Site or Internet with smarthose? |
| 16:43.25 | mdke | t |
| 16:43.27 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: it Kills |
| 16:43.34 | bob2 | mdke: are you going to send mail? |
| 16:43.40 | caphuso | so that gdm gets stopped, when you switch to runlevel 1 |
| 16:43.48 | Jimmy-HPC_ | I know that, no need to be condescending |
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| 16:43.53 | mdke | bob2, not at the moment |
| 16:44.02 | bob2 | mdke: then it doesn't matter |
| 16:44.03 | caphuso | which does _not_ prevent you from booting into runlevel 1 when X doesn't work |
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| 16:44.24 | caphuso | so, my initial impression that you're on crack turned out to be true |
| 16:44.26 | mdke | bob2, is it a good idea to have alias root:matt? |
| 16:44.33 | bob2 | mdke: yes |
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| 16:44.44 | ethics | !prize caphuso |
| 16:44.49 | gjaouen | Is anybody have heard of an utility for managing virtual domain on exim4 ? |
| 16:44.51 | Daurnimator | i'm installing on several computers so I can't do the netinst |
| 16:45.00 | jim | how do you try to get into single user mode? |
| 16:45.12 | jim | gjaouen: vi? |
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| 16:45.17 | caphuso | and for some parental advice: don't friggin' remove the K* links in /etc/rc1.d/ if you have NFI what you are doing |
| 16:45.30 | Jimmy-HPC_ | caphuso: I have done every single single user mode startup possible and it doesn't kill gdm, it starts it |
| 16:45.36 | ethics | Daurnimator you can but youd have to set one up as a server then mount it's archive to the clients |
| 16:45.39 | K_Dallas | I am wondering where browsers like firefox keep their temp files. I need to copy a swf from there but dont know the structure of temp folders in linux, thanks |
| 16:45.46 | mdke | bob2, should the mail name be mdke.mine.nu or will mdke.org work do you think? |
| 16:45.48 | caphuso | Jimmy-HPC_: liar |
| 16:45.51 | neoXite | hi, does sarge come with anything packaged that would allow me to use KDE with a temporary user profile that gets reset to default upon logout of KDE? |
| 16:45.59 | bob2 | mdke: which do you want it to be? |
| 16:46.00 | Dr_O | Daurnimator: why not? you'd be best off making a local mirror on the first machine you install and netinst the others from that mirror... Mind you DVD is easy! |
| 16:46.06 | gjaouen | jim : i'm looking for something easier for nuts |
| 16:46.14 | ethics | Daurnimator, youll have to do it anyways or else you will get no security updates |
| 16:46.14 | asg | neoXite: try #debian-kde perhaps |
| 16:46.17 | mdke | bob2, mdke.org but as you said, it has no A record |
| 16:46.22 | jim | Jimmy-HPC_: you might want to undo what you did... howbout you restore from the backup you made before you started changing anything? |
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| 16:46.37 | bob2 | mdke: then choose something else |
| 16:46.47 | Daurnimator | i mean on friends, family etc. not all at same location. |
| 16:46.55 | Daurnimator | they can handle updates themselves |
| 16:47.06 | Jimmy-HPC_ | jim: I even reinstalled and it seems to start GDM in every runlevel regardless, this particular FAI script is for machines that don't get backed up... |
| 16:47.06 | mdke | bob2, my website works on mdke.org, i guess i have the nameserver set up wrong |
| 16:47.12 | bob2 | mdke: yes |
| 16:47.25 | edward__ | does debian has /etc/ld.so.conf? its not on my system. |
| 16:47.33 | bob2 | mdke: well, it doesn't really matter, but you have no MX records, either |
| 16:47.35 | jim | no backup?! |
| 16:47.40 | bob2 | mdke: so no one can send mail to mdke.org |
| 16:47.44 | bob2 | edward__: yes, it does |
| 16:47.46 | jim | sorry to hear that |
| 16:47.48 | Dr_O | Daurnimator: the beauty of open source you can give it away to all you r friend... My mistake DVD is the way to go in your case! |
| 16:47.48 | ethics | Daurnimator, fair enough...net installer cd may have been faster for adsl etc but dialup your dvd will be better 8) |
| 16:48.00 | mdke | bob2, i don't know much about networking... it goes over my head a bit |
| 16:48.00 | alakdan | hello, just wondering if apt-get does simultaneous downloads of packageges? |
| 16:48.08 | alakdan | pakages |
| 16:48.09 | Jimmy-HPC_ | jim: was merely trying to find out what decides what gets put in each runlevel |
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| 16:48.30 | Daurnimator | anyway, what is on dvd2 that is good to get? |
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| 16:48.47 | jim | Jimmy-HPC_: so if you don't have a backup, you can go backwards thru the notes you made, right? |
| 16:48.51 | edward__ | bob2, so i create myself or it shoula exist? i've only /etc/ld.so.cache |
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| 16:49.02 | ermavin | running apt-get update today gives me error. anyone have current url for sorces.list, testing. anyone has the current one? |
| 16:49.03 | bob2 | mdke: so, when someone tries to send mail to mdke.org, their ISP's mailserver tries to find an A record for it. if there isn't one, it looks for an MX record, then looks up the IP of that hostname, then sends the mail there. if there isn't either, the mail will be dumped |
| 16:49.03 | Jimmy-HPC_ | jim: how do you mean, I am not sure I follow |
| 16:49.03 | ethics | alakdan: not from the same place at same time....2 mirrors it can do 2 at once |
| 16:49.14 | Dr_O | Jimmy-HPC_: You do... in debian runlevels 2-5 are identical (out of the box) You get to chose what each runlevel does. |
| 16:49.15 | hkdom | i got error too today |
| 16:49.23 | jim | don't you want to restore your initial conditions? |
| 16:49.26 | alakdan | ethics: i see thanks :) |
| 16:49.31 | mdke | bob2, so is it possible to get my ip from that hostname? |
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| 16:49.37 | hkdom | after i changed from codename to stable, it works |
| 16:49.39 | bob2 | mdke: from mdke.org? no |
| 16:49.42 | mdke | bob2, or will mail to mdke.org get dumped |
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| 16:49.46 | mdke | bob2, ok damn |
| 16:49.55 | bob2 | mdke: no one can send mail to mdke.org |
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| 16:50.12 | Jimmy-HPC_ | Dr_O: yeah thats what I thought, for some reason on this particular FAI install all of the runlevels appear to be the same |
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| 16:50.29 | jim | what's FAI? |
| 16:50.30 | alakdan | ethics: does it also follow that if I have 3 or more mirrors it can simultaneously download 3 or more packages |
| 16:50.30 | ethics | !prize hkdom |
| 16:50.33 | Daurnimator | what on dvd2 is worth the download? |
| 16:50.38 | alakdan | ? |
| 16:50.39 | mdke | bob2, ok perhaps I'll give up for now until i've sorted the domain |
| 16:50.42 | bob2 | mdke: ok |
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| 16:50.49 | Dr_O | Jimmy-HPC_: ALL of them 0-6 + S ? |
| 16:50.52 | mdke | bob2, thanks a lot for your time, i still have learnt something |
| 16:50.53 | hkdom | !thx ethics |
| 16:50.55 | jim | Daurnimator: try a net install, you don't need ANY images |
| 16:50.55 | ermavin | okay, running "stable" works, anyone know why testing is not working? |
| 16:50.58 | bob2 | mdke: np |
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| 16:51.03 | Jimmy-HPC_ | I found this out by attempting to single user mode into the machines with bad X configs that crashed them and it still attempted to start X |
| 16:51.15 | Dr_O | ! tell jim about FAI |
| 16:51.15 | ethics | alakdan, in theory id say yes although i only have 2 hehe dialup isnt good hehe |
| 16:51.21 | error403 | anybody got any idea on how to reconfigure network, in the same way you configure it in the netinstall ? |
| 16:51.27 | Daurnimator | jim - multiple computers different locations |
| 16:51.33 | bob2 | mdke: just make sure you have someone help you with this, a misconfigured mail server is a problem for other people, not just you :) |
| 16:51.38 | bob2 | error403: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:51.42 | Jimmy-HPC_ | Dr_O: one second, im checking the configs on several different machines here |
| 16:51.43 | jim | !tell Dr_O about msg the bot for helpers |
| 16:51.44 | bob2 | you can't get the curse thing again |
| 16:51.46 | alakdan | ethics: i see. thanks again |
| 16:51.46 | Daurnimator | jim: i just said that earlier |
| 16:51.52 | jim | I'm quite capablie of using the bot |
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| 16:52.12 | mdke | bob2, well i won't publish the address until its working |
| 16:52.13 | Jimmy-HPC_ | Dr_O: some of them appear to be Ks and are correct |
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| 16:52.26 | hkdom | maybe testing still not stable |
| 16:52.39 | error403 | bob2, will it kill my network connection if i change dns-search to be blank? |
| 16:52.42 | ethics | error403, base-config?? |
| 16:53.00 | bob2 | error403: no |
| 16:53.02 | Dr_O | jim: fair point |
| 16:53.06 | bob2 | ethics: it doesn't run it |
| 16:53.20 | error403 | ok |
| 16:53.20 | ermavin | can anyone tell me in short whats the differen between dist-upgrade and dselect-upgrade? |
| 16:53.21 | ethics | bob2 ahh kk... |
| 16:53.28 | jim | Dr_O: that's why I wrote that factoid |
| 16:53.28 | Daurnimator | soooo.... what on dvd2 is the download for? |
| 16:53.38 | mae | I get this when I'm doing ./configure for kmymoney2 0.7.2 on debian testing .. configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check .. any ideas? |
| 16:53.53 | asuffield | ermavin: dselect-upgrade upgrades according to the selections you made. dist-upgrade makes random selections for you |
| 16:53.56 | Jimmy-HPC_ | Dr_O: but the ones that were not working correctly I manually changed them already so I don't remember if they were Ks or Ss, however I am sure that I tried 10 different ways to enter single user mode and they always tried to enter X |
| 16:54.04 | ethics | Daurnimator, most people dont use more than the first 2 cds....at most |
| 16:54.11 | error403 | bob2, is there a way to restart the network interfacde? |
| 16:54.23 | ethics | Daurnimator, first dvd will be heaps...anything missing just apt... |
| 16:54.33 | rayen | Hi, I have installed ALSA on my Debian Sarge with kernel 2.6.8-2-686-smp, my sound works after using " alsaconf ", it detected two sound cards: emu10k1 (Creative Labs SB Audigy (rec 04)) and 'Legacy Probe legacy ISA (non-PnP) chips. As far as I know, I have a SB Audigy 2 in my PC (so I chose the first option), but I can only hear music from Headphone and not from my Creative Boxes, I tryed to play with the settings however this did not helped to |
| 16:54.33 | rayen | get sound out of my Creative boxes, so does somebody know how I could fix this problem? |
| 16:54.34 | bob2 | ethics: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:54.39 | bob2 | rayen: ignore alsaconf |
| 16:54.43 | Daurnimator | is it even worth downloading dvd2? - 52% on a 512 connection |
| 16:54.46 | xoz | asuffield: random ? |
| 16:54.47 | bob2 | er, error403 |
| 16:54.53 | bob2 | Daurnimator: there was no point getting dvd1 |
| 16:54.55 | asuffield | xoz: pretty much random, yes |
| 16:54.56 | error403 | bob2, i saw it, thanks! |
| 16:54.59 | rayen | bob2, ? what? |
| 16:54.59 | ermavin | asuffield: tnx |
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| 16:55.08 | bob2 | Daurnimator: you can install from a 30MB cd image and get whatever else you need as you need it |
| 16:55.13 | bob2 | Daurnimator: which will add up to less than 1GB |
| 16:55.22 | gjaouen | do you know if amd64 kernel for sarge is supporting amd x2 processor ? |
| 16:55.24 | xoz | asuffield: i don't think so.. random will break deps |
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| 16:55.33 | bob2 | gjaouen: #debian-amd64 |
| 16:55.35 | asuffield | xoz: no, it keeps making random changes until the dependencies fit |
| 16:55.38 | asuffield | hence, random |
| 16:55.39 | ethics | rayen: install hotplug and run alsa mixer un mute channels read all the instructions in alsamixer as theres more than wehat you see |
| 16:55.52 | skiddieleet | is slackware better than debian? |
| 16:55.57 | gjaouen | bob2 :thank i'll go :) |
| 16:56.06 | jim | skiddieleet: install it and see |
| 16:56.07 | Daurnimator | is it even worth downloading dvd2? - 52% on a 512 connection |
| 16:56.11 | xoz | asuffield: does it use random number generator to select which to upgrade or is it governed by policies? |
| 16:56.18 | skiddieleet | debian or slackware? |
| 16:56.20 | Xuse | skiddieleet what kind of question is that to ask in a debian room? |
| 16:56.22 | skiddieleet | I installed slackware |
| 16:56.23 | Dr_O | Jimmy-HPC_: in a couple of the runlevels (may be S and 1 but do check) ANY link S... or K... runs with the start argument. You will have to refer to policy chapter 9.3:system run levels. at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 16:56.25 | skiddieleet | but I can't install debian |
| 16:56.28 | skiddieleet | it's too hard |
| 16:56.28 | jim | skiddieleet: any one you want |
| 16:56.35 | jim | well then, slackware |
| 16:56.40 | Xuse | debian = easy-peasy installation. |
| 16:56.41 | skiddieleet | ok, thought so |
| 16:56.42 | skiddieleet | thanks |
| 16:56.44 | asuffield | xoz: it's deterministic for a given upgrade, but depends entirely on the sets of packages previously installed and now available, so it's effectively random |
| 16:56.51 | ethics | Daurnimator, no weve said several times that the net install would have been more appropriate and then copying whatever deb files accross to another system |
| 16:57.06 | jim | run anything that works for you |
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| 16:57.15 | ethics | Daumbut your almost done may as well finish it hehe |
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| 16:57.23 | Jimmy-HPC_ | Dr_O: ahh! so this could be a package specific error. thank you for your help good sir, much appreciated |
| 16:57.26 | asuffield | xoz: there's a few 'rules' it follows, but they're more or less arbitrary choices. like 'first package in the list' or so |
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| 16:57.45 | Dr_O | Jimmy-HPC_: from policy: The two runlevels 0 (halt) and 6 (reboot) are slightly different. In these runlevels, the links with an S prefix are still called after those with a K prefix, but they too are called with the single argument stop. |
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| 16:58.01 | Daurnimator | ethics: i have restated that that is not suitable because i need to install debian on multiple pcs in different locations... |
| 16:58.02 | jim | moooooooooot |
| 16:58.03 | xoz | asuffield: complex rules maybe which appear random from the macro perspective but it's not really random... like fractals :) |
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| 16:58.15 | asuffield | xoz: nah, simple rules which are basically random in effect |
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| 16:58.41 | ethics | Daurnimator, so cut copies of an installed systems debs....like i said |
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| 16:59.03 | jim | or establish local mirror |
| 16:59.06 | ethics | Daurnimator, install one copy the files to another pc doo the same install no download required |
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| 16:59.36 | ethics | Daurnimator, copy from one PC to othe may be done by any media....punchcards would be my preference for oyu 8) |
| 16:59.40 | jim | then if you still want an image, use jigdo from your local mirror so you don't bug mirror admins |
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| 16:59.44 | Daurnimator | i've already got dvd 1 anyway |
| 17:00.00 | alcachi | Hi, do you know if rar for linux supports files larger than 2GB? |
| 17:00.04 | jim | you got plenty of stuff then |
| 17:00.06 | xoz | asuffield: random definition does not follow any rule |
| 17:00.13 | jim | alcachi: man rar |
| 17:00.26 | asuffield | xoz: that can't be implemented in software |
| 17:00.32 | ethics | Daurnimator, ie if i was to instal someone elses box tonight id make sure mines upto date ...install sarge net inst copy a cd of my debs drop them into the new system then run task sel and continue |
| 17:00.33 | rayen | ethics, I need to turn on 'Sigmatel' but I don't know how, could you tell me how to do this? |
| 17:00.50 | alcachi | jim, not much information about this in man rar |
| 17:01.02 | jim | look at the source |
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| 17:01.16 | mlo | Hi, could someone clarify the package selection process testing->stable ? I must have some misunderstanding there. I thought that everything in testing would have become stable, unless RC bugs were filed. |
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| 17:01.26 | alcachi | jim, it is closed source |
| 17:01.29 | xoz | asuffield: it can. the movement of the mouse or any chaotic formula. |
| 17:01.39 | jvc | hi |
| 17:01.40 | jim | then is it worth getting/ |
| 17:01.42 | Daurnimator | i gtg its 3am and i need sleep, byw |
| 17:01.42 | jim | ? |
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| 17:01.56 | ethics | sigmatel is a company name....your using an audigy2 card yah...and does any of the modules show up in lsmod atm? |
| 17:01.58 | mlo | Why was metalog in testing all the time, and today when I installed a new box and have set apt to use stable, metalog is no longer available ? |
| 17:02.03 | asuffield | xoz: you can't move the mouse from software. and no 'formula' constitutes 'does not follow any rule' |
| 17:02.20 | jim | mlo: bugs.debian.org |
| 17:02.37 | mlo | jim: I have tried that. I havent found any RC bugs filed against it. |
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| 17:02.57 | jim | then see what dist it's in |
| 17:03.03 | jim | see if it's in debian at all |
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| 17:03.11 | jim | if not, try to find out why |
| 17:03.26 | mlo | jim: It has been in testing. It is in testing now. I wonder why it is not in stable. |
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| 17:03.43 | jim | is it in sid? |
| 17:03.45 | Xuse | there will be a good reason ;p |
| 17:03.53 | xoz | asuffield: even the timing signals in computer is not constant... the tick or cpu cycle is not constant.. clock generation is not at all constant. it contains noise that can be use to produce chaos. |
| 17:03.58 | jim | yeah, we just have to find it |
| 17:04.06 | rcas | Hi, anyone here managed to install Oracle 9i on Debian Sarge ? |
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| 17:04.36 | jim | no, but I installed 8i on potato and woody (it liked potato better0' |
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| 17:04.46 | asuffield | xoz: don't be ridiculous. nobody uses a clock chip as an entropy source. *and* that's hardware, which isn't software |
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| 17:04.50 | ethics | rcas...theres a 5 hour howto i read once which i fell asleep reading... |
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| 17:05.14 | mlo | jim: as per packages.qa.debian.org it is in unstable and in testing. |
| 17:05.18 | xoz | asuffield: that's why you need ntp and other more precise way to control clock by. |
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| 17:05.42 | mlo | And as it has been in testing for quite a while, I wonder why it is not in sarge. |
| 17:05.43 | asuffield | xoz: ugh, no, that is *not* why you need ntp |
| 17:05.49 | sparr_ | xoz: how do you propose to measure the noise in the clock chip? one tick is one tick, theres nothing to say one tick is longer than another |
| 17:05.52 | jim | mlo: you could ask the maint... who is it? |
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| 17:06.04 | rcas | ethics: but have you managed to install it ? |
| 17:06.07 | rayen | hi, I need to turn on 'Sigmatel' (MM) but I don't know how, could somebody tell me how to do this? |
| 17:06.11 | krezel | Does anybody know what the status of Gnome 2.10 in unstable is? It sounds like they're getting close |
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| 17:06.19 | mlo | jim: laszlo Boszormenyi (GCS) |
| 17:06.27 | xoz | sparr_: asuffield... hear of butterfly effect in chaos theory? |
| 17:06.31 | mlo | I'll drop him a mail... |
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| 17:06.31 | jim | email him :) |
| 17:06.34 | xoz | *heard* |
| 17:06.35 | jim | cool |
| 17:06.49 | asuffield | xoz: yes, it's a term used by stupid media morons who don't understand chaos theory |
| 17:06.54 | sparr_ | xoz: yes, ive heard of it. but my point is theres no way for a machine to measure its own drift. |
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| 17:07.10 | sparr_ | if it could then it wouldnt drift |
| 17:07.25 | ethics | rcas...not yet..im 8i only atm on a dev box 9i on solaris but i didnt do the upgrade 8/ |
| 17:07.33 | xoz | sparr_: you need not measure it... just use the drift... it's noise. |
| 17:07.45 | xoz | for random generation |
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| 17:08.24 | jim | what version of libc is 9i actually linked with? |
| 17:08.34 | Subvertir | there are easier ways to get entropy |
| 17:08.35 | xoz | the more it's not measurable, the better it is a random generator |
| 17:08.36 | ethics | krezel: im expecting a week or so for gnome...but im using testing so i dont actually know or notice any new changes in unstable |
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| 17:08.54 | asuffield | Subvertir: plus lots of ones which actually work (this doesn't) |
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| 17:09.20 | krezel | ethics: Darn. I made the mistake of doing a dist-upgrade on a freshly unstable unstable install and it uninstalled half of gnome 2.8 |
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| 17:09.36 | ethics | krezel, there have been people who have managed to get a working environment tho but most are just using other wms atm |
| 17:09.39 | Subvertir | comparing the drift of a given hardware clock with an atomic clock and using some other factors would be reasonably random |
| 17:10.08 | xoz | drift is random |
| 17:10.21 | krezel | ethics: Its been so long since a release that I forgot that unstable really was unstable ;) |
| 17:10.22 | Scotched | can anyone help me with a DE-220P ethernet card trouble |
| 17:10.28 | asuffield | Subvertir: not really. clock chips have more or less constant drift. you'd just get the same number every time |
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| 17:11.19 | ethics | krezel yeah most of us expected unstable to be unstable after testing became stable as unstable had been too stable for too long and testing needed to be updated...therfore unstable has now started seeing newer unstable packages than the oled unstable packages making unstable far mor unstable till these unstable debs become more stable and less new |
| 17:11.37 | krezel | *headache* |
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| 17:11.55 | ethics | notice theres alot of bits that mentyion unstable.. |
| 17:11.58 | rcas | ethics: do you still have the link for the 5 hour tut ? |
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| 17:12.27 | ethics | rcas...on a work pc unfortunately...it was at oracles knowledgebase somewhere i found it |
| 17:13.36 | ethics | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.42 | CAiRO | how can i change the metacity mouse bindings? |
| 17:13.43 | gjaouen | Is it reasonnable to build a production server under sarge ? |
| 17:13.48 | artaxx | hi, all. i'm having trouble with jigdo-lite. i used jigdo earlier to assemble the dvd image for sarge. now i want to use it to assemble the dvd images for the new stable release. but - it downloads 10 files needed for the new assembly and begins writing the image! where could the files possibly be cached? i checked my ~/, started jigdo in an entirely new directory and still no cigar. |
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| 17:13.59 | samuel | can debian hide the text mode boot up? |
| 17:14.02 | rayen | ethics, same problem, even with hotplug |
| 17:14.05 | samuel | sort of like fedora? |
| 17:14.29 | ethics | gjaouen, thats the main reason it exists....sarge = stable = for your production servers |
| 17:14.50 | K_Dallas | samuel, why? |
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| 17:15.19 | ethics | rayen your sure they are unmutes? |
| 17:15.30 | gjaouen | ethics : ok |
| 17:15.32 | ethics | alsamixer not showing any MMs |
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| 17:16.40 | honschu | I have more than 2 joysticks attached, but sarge's udev has only support for two - am I right? |
| 17:16.48 | shingouz | tarzeau: you awake already? |
| 17:17.05 | gjaouen | ethics : i'll try to build a dual processor amd X2 server, hope it'll work without too many bugs ;) |
| 17:17.45 | dampen | anyone in here that wanna help a total n00b on debian with a moduleproblem? /msg dampen |
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| 17:18.17 | shingouz | dampen: ask on the channel and get your answers on the channel, you will nto get any msg'es here |
| 17:18.36 | dampen | shingouz ok |
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| 17:18.38 | tarzeau | shingouz: yes, but i'm not at werk |
| 17:18.48 | tarzeau | shingouz: and not home either, and no i hate bubbles |
| 17:18.49 | drc_ | Is there any way to "fix" xterm so that I can use irssi channel switch with alt instead of esc etc? |
| 17:18.59 | shingouz | tarzeau: ok. i just thought you might wanna have a couple of pics eventually... |
| 17:18.59 | jethro | !bubnbrossmite tarzeau |
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| 17:19.10 | tarzeau | shingouz: ahhh yes please. where are the photos? |
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| 17:19.17 | tarzeau | shingouz: you've still got the command i gave you? |
| 17:19.26 | bucky | foreplay? |
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| 17:19.34 | [Granger] | heh amdx2 server |
| 17:19.34 | [Granger] | what are you trying to do? |
| 17:19.34 | [Granger] | encode Star Wars? |
| 17:19.34 | ethics | honschu, technically theres only ever 2 but you can add other types now.. |
| 17:19.34 | ethics | honschu, originally 15 pin game ports only has 2 memory addresses....now we have USB HID devices also...they not joysticks but input pointing devices or somesuch things |
| 17:19.35 | ethics | honschu, and theres serial and i2c andparralel versions too |
| 17:19.36 | shingouz | tarzeau: yes, i have the command but i do not have a homepage |
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| 17:20.09 | ethics | gjaouen, should be pretty ok...may need some help with videocard and sound if they are newish but most stuff like that is ok now....should be good 8) |
| 17:20.13 | tarzeau | shingouz: odesn't matter, just put iot in /var/www and run thttpd, tell us your ip? |
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| 17:20.20 | samuel | K_Dallas, just curious |
| 17:20.24 | InitMass | kick monitor. he is spamming |
| 17:20.33 | shingouz | tarzeau: eugh, i would have to hack my router too :p |
| 17:20.34 | mdke | bob2, not still here by any chance are ya? |
| 17:20.39 | rayen | ethics, no i fixed it |
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| 17:20.45 | honschu | ethics, I built and wrote my own joystick-/driver/device http://www.fh-furtwangen.de/~fritzc/ and I have a USB-Joypad attached. |
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| 17:20.48 | thomas_adam | OK. |
| 17:20.50 | [Granger] | !ops |
| 17:20.51 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 17:20.51 | samuel | K_Dallas, i have a really annoying cousin that keeps telling me OSX is better than linux even when i dont ask |
| 17:20.55 | peppo | does anyone know if the Debian (unstable) GIMP package uses gnome-vfs for file loading? |
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| 17:21.03 | shingouz | tarzeau: email perhaps? (unless a dcc is acceptable?) |
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| 17:21.03 | samuel | so im on a mission to prove him wrong |
| 17:21.09 | ethics | rayen what fixed it? |
| 17:21.09 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 17:21.10 | peppo | please kick "Monitor", that user is spamming on join. |
| 17:21.16 | [Granger] | !ops Monitor == spam |
| 17:21.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Monitor == spam |
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| 17:21.25 | samuel | K_Dallas, thats really is |
| 17:21.25 | honschu | ethics: honnii adds two joysticks, the Gamepad one. How do I add more joysticks to udev? |
| 17:21.26 | *** kick/#debian [Monitor!foobar@p5481C610.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 17:21.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@asy132.as253134.sol.superonline.com] by caphuso |
| 17:21.29 | tarzeau | shingouz: no dcc. please no email |
| 17:21.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 17:21.37 | jethro | !beer caphuso |
| 17:21.38 | [Granger] | thank you caphuso |
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| 17:21.43 | crocodile | does anyone knows where (directory) I can find download from apt-get ? |
| 17:21.43 | honschu | ethics: You forgot the serial-joysticks |
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| 17:21.52 | FieldySnuts | Monitor is onjoin spamming. |
| 17:21.56 | FieldySnuts | oh wait, not anymore. |
| 17:21.58 | shingouz | tarzeau: ok, i'll see what i can do with the router. usually pretty painful but i'll get it |
| 17:21.59 | jethro | :) |
| 17:21.59 | rayen | ethics, Audigy Analog/Digital Output jack needed to be turned on |
| 17:22.02 | honschu | ethics: http://webuser.fh-furtwangen.de/~fritzc/honnii.html |
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| 17:22.03 | tarzeau | shingouz: thank you |
| 17:22.08 | ethics | honschu, did i hehe... |
| 17:22.10 | shingouz | np :) |
| 17:22.12 | gjaouen | crocodile : /var/cache/apt |
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| 17:22.21 | crocodile | oh ok, thanks |
| 17:22.29 | ethics | rayen in where? driver? |
| 17:22.34 | rayen | ethics, alsamixer |
| 17:22.48 | honschu | ethics: Do you know how to add more joysticks to udev? |
| 17:23.02 | ethics | rayen...hehe muted....8) |
| 17:23.05 | K_Dallas | samuel, :) Well i have always loved to see those lines scrolling down my page and i hated when fedora and suse etc hide it so i have always been looking for the opposite direction ;) |
| 17:23.09 | ethics | !prize rayen |
| 17:23.27 | rayen | hehe |
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| 17:23.50 | crocodile | When I make install .. one time, debain access internet and make 500 Mb download (files)... where are these files .. I would like to burn in cd |
| 17:23.52 | ethics | honschi: id expect that you just makedev and then map the driver to that ne spot...its a driver sdone thing... |
| 17:23.57 | rayen | !prize ethics |
| 17:24.03 | K_Dallas | samuel, as for you cousin, forget about his comments, just bear in mind, an OS is nothing more than a tool, everyone picks the tool he or she is more comfortable with |
| 17:24.09 | ethics | !irritate rayen |
| 17:24.10 | dpkg | rayen: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses gnome hello? |
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| 17:24.35 | rayen | !kick ethics |
| 17:24.38 | moyix | is it normal to have to re-create the initrd for an upgrade to initrd-tools to fully take effect? |
| 17:24.48 | stouset | moyix: Yes. |
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| 17:25.05 | K_Dallas | Q: I am trying to download acroread from adobe site but it seems to be down. Do we have v7.0 in either branches of Debian? |
| 17:25.05 | moyix | stouset: good :) |
| 17:25.15 | gjaouen | Bye everybody :) |
| 17:25.19 | fschulte | can you help me with this error message 'VFS: Cannot open root device "root_fs_debian2.2_small" or unknown-block(0,0)' using um-linux. |
| 17:25.19 | tarzeau2 | jethro: join now! |
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| 17:25.26 | tarzeau2 | paulswm: i can't resist |
| 17:25.32 | ethics | rayen: if you need to do midistuff also youll need to load the additional midi driver for alsa but depends on why you have a hot soundcard |
| 17:25.44 | Klaus | i have a big problem whit booting my box after i have upgraded kernel to 2.6.11 gets this error |
| 17:25.44 | Klaus | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unkonwn-block(0,0) |
| 17:25.45 | moyix | K_Dallas: the marillat repository has debs of 7.0 |
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| 17:25.56 | K_Dallas | moyix, thansk a lot, didnt know that |
| 17:26.10 | jethro | tarzeau2: AIE AIE SIR |
| 17:26.11 | chkRoot | when I install initscripts, APT says "trying to overwrite" checkroot.sh "which is also in package sysvinit". How can I get past this error? |
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| 17:26.26 | americo | Glora Patri |
| 17:26.30 | tarzeau2 | jethro: LOLZ |
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| 17:26.48 | ethics | fschulte: bob2 knows uml from about 4 hours ago...8) |
| 17:26.51 | americo | Gloria in Excelsis Deo |
| 17:26.56 | nvz | K_Dallas: you can also answer those questions yourself. Official package repository search is packages.debian.org, and for unofficial like marillat, you use apt-get.org |
| 17:27.02 | ethics | bob2 uml boot issues again heheh.... |
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| 17:27.08 | americo | incipit |
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| 17:27.27 | moyix | chkRoot, if you want to force the issue, dpkg --force-overwrite /path/to/initscripts.deb . You may want to see if someone else here knows a proper solution, though |
| 17:27.31 | americo | in nuce |
| 17:27.40 | samuel | K_Dallas, wise advice! but im sure you will understand if i keep looking! thanks though (and i doo agree with you, i prefer to se SOMETHING happening, especially if that something is telling you usefull info!) |
| 17:27.43 | jethro | tarzeau2: you have no name defined |
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| 17:27.47 | jethro | tarzeau2: sucks to be you |
| 17:27.50 | K_Dallas | nvz, i tried to search p.d.o but the search button give me unrelated results, maybe i pushed the wrong button! |
| 17:28.13 | stouset | The ReiserFS format option in d-i...is that Reiser4? |
| 17:28.24 | nvz | K_Dallas: probably. you need apt-get.org in that case anyhow |
| 17:28.34 | fschulte | bob2 where are you? |
| 17:28.36 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 17:28.50 | jasoncohen | damn- this doesn't sound good - http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39196419,00.htm |
| 17:28.52 | xoz | chkRoot: are you trying to replace sysvinit? |
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| 17:29.40 | chkRoot | xoz: no, I was trying to install udev which needs a initscripts upgrade. |
| 17:29.59 | jim | what's udev |
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| 17:30.02 | ethics | samuel: there is of course the fact that OSX is linux....so it cant be better than itself can it.. |
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| 17:30.16 | jethro | !pal ethics |
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| 17:30.18 | davem | ethics: lolz |
| 17:30.19 | jim | osx isn't linux |
| 17:30.29 | jim | it's bsd |
| 17:30.31 | chkRoot | jim: udev will "provide a userspace solution for a dynamic /dev directory, with persistent device naming" |
| 17:30.37 | jethro | someone qotd ethics :) |
| 17:30.41 | nforbes | OSX runs on the Mach kernel, which is based on the BSD kernel |
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| 17:30.50 | Nolius_ | hello :-D |
| 17:30.50 | nforbes | At least that's my understanding |
| 17:30.58 | jim | that's what I thought too |
| 17:31.28 | K_Dallas | nvz, thanks, it is being installed . I always thought nerim was only for mplayer ;) |
| 17:31.30 | jim | but if you're saying it's more like linux than os9 was, ok, that's pretty much true |
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| 17:31.51 | tarzeau2 | jethro: not home, and i'm golden blonde! |
| 17:31.52 | chkRoot | moyix: thanks for the "dpkg --force-overwrite" -- that did the job |
| 17:31.53 | jim | I think Jobs probably wanted to avoid GPL |
| 17:31.57 | jethro | tarzeau2: aight |
| 17:32.06 | jasoncohen | have people on #debian had serious problems upgrading from woody? |
| 17:32.26 | jim | chkRoot: sometime, look at dpkg --force-help and --help |
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| 17:32.32 | jcnx | What's up with gnome in the latest Debian/Unstable? It hasn't installed for two days now (dependency problem); is there a workaround? |
| 17:32.36 | xoz | chkRoot: use dpkg --force-* option |
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| 17:33.06 | jim | jcnx: you run unstable? you'll be soooooreeeee... |
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| 17:33.38 | jim | unless you have a habit of reading the changes to things like the kernel source code to determine whether it would be a good idea to install it |
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| 17:34.02 | jcnx | (jim: for four years now; it's usually not a problem; occasionally, things like this happen, but they get fixed within a day or two, or have a workaround) |
| 17:34.09 | weedar | Is there anyway I can install Debian to a computer without a CD-ROM but which has a NIC? |
| 17:34.14 | xoz | jasoncohen: upgrading from woody is a rough ride.. use dpkg --pending --configure... apt-get dist-upgrade alternatively until the deps are resolved. |
| 17:34.26 | Seb___ | any packages other than chkrootkit that do the same job ? |
| 17:34.44 | nvz | K_Dallas: its Cristian Marillat's repo.. its more than mplayer |
| 17:34.50 | jim | jcnx: so do you understand how the recent release of sarge affects this? and do you also understand that you might just have to do the solution yourself or else wait? |
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| 17:34.51 | bucky | weedar, use the sarge floppy net install |
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| 17:35.05 | K_Dallas | nvz, i had no idea but now i am getting to know him better ;) |
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| 17:35.25 | jim | that's what the spider said to the fly... yesss, use my floppy net to install! |
| 17:35.32 | ethics | woody to sarge is best done if you update aptitude first then aptitude upgradeing a few people have commented on... |
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| 17:35.38 | ludi | How do I install the nvidia 3D drivers? |
| 17:35.52 | weedar | thank you bucky :) |
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| 17:36.02 | jcnx | jim: no, I don't know how Sarge affects this; can you tell me? is unstable going to be problematic for several days? weeks? months? |
| 17:36.04 | ethics | !tell ludi about nvidia howto |
| 17:36.06 | xoz | another *nvidia victim* |
| 17:36.09 | jim | ethics: that's probably a very good idea |
| 17:36.26 | jim | jcnx: several... -days-? :) |
| 17:36.32 | thorie | hello... do you guys recommend any additional spam/virus protection for e-mail (that eventually reaches microsoft users) other than spamassassin and clamav ? |
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| 17:36.49 | alec | thorie, greylisting may be an option |
| 17:36.58 | jim | heh, unstable is taking a sharp left turn from being sorta close to sarge |
| 17:37.03 | thorie | alec: can't handle the delays, but good suggestion |
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| 17:37.12 | jim | and is going in its own direction for a LONG time |
| 17:37.28 | nvz | jcnx: unstable is always going to be unstable |
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| 17:37.36 | jim | leaking packages into etch as they get better |
| 17:37.37 | jcnx | jim: I'm not running it unstable for fun; until Sarge, stable/testing were so far behind that they were not usable for my needs, but unstable was pretty good |
| 17:37.44 | ethics | thorie...they microsoft users they deserve anything that gets past us .... |
| 17:37.50 | davem | When will the new testing be made? |
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| 17:38.02 | alec | thorie, then you're probably set to go |
| 17:38.16 | jcnx | jim: if stable falls behind and unstable ends up being much more unstable than it used to, then I may have to look at something else, much as I like Debian |
| 17:38.27 | weedar | darn, I don't have any floppies |
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| 17:38.38 | jim | jcnx: that of course would be your choice |
| 17:38.39 | shingouz | tarzeau: i know the page looks like sh*t but.. well.. i just slapped them somewhere: http://kotisivu.dnainternet.net/shingouz/ |
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| 17:38.51 | jim | the reality is it's going to do exactly that |
| 17:38.53 | ethics | jcnx, testing maybee? |
| 17:39.04 | nvz | jcnx: what exactly isnt cutting edge enough for you to use sarge? |
| 17:39.12 | sdschulze | Is Debian GNU/Linux going to support swsusp? |
| 17:39.47 | jim | weedar: you might be able to use hdmedia or a 128mb usb stick |
| 17:39.55 | jcnx | we use mono, numerical python, gcj, and a bunch of other packages that are being fairly actively developed |
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| 17:40.08 | ethics | jcnx, you do realise there are 3 secions stable testing and unstable....you only mentioned two which are opposite ends of the scalle...the middle ground is etch/testing |
| 17:40.29 | weedar | Jim: I don't have an usb stick either, unfortunately. I do have a zip drive somewhere though |
| 17:40.30 | Xuse | etch rocks! ;p |
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| 17:41.00 | jim | jcnx: you should consider using a stable debian platform and building what you need in an area other than /usr (but /usr/local is ok) |
| 17:41.11 | jcnx | ethics: yes, testing may be a choice; last I tried it, it was causing more problems than unstable (that is, several times, testing remained broken for a long time, while unstable, even if it broke, got fixed quickly); that sort of soured me on testing |
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| 17:41.18 | raf256 | hi there fellow geeks \o/ |
| 17:41.19 | ethics | etch is no different to ssarge really atm....no new major packages as far as ive seen |
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| 17:41.19 | jim | jcnx: that ought to solve your version issue |
| 17:41.28 | jim | hi raf256 |
| 17:41.32 | raf256 | how can I make my virtual terminal console to be in other video modes? like in 80x50 |
| 17:41.37 | Zambba^ | I'd like to copy all my users and their passwords to another computer.. |
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| 17:41.55 | Xuse | testing broke? Since when? It's always been like a stable to me, with more upto date packages. |
| 17:41.58 | jim | D-line? |
| 17:42.00 | jim | what's that |
| 17:42.01 | Zambba^ | I'd like to have same accounts and passwords at another computer :S |
| 17:42.03 | jcnx | jim: thanks; that's plan B (or C), but when you have two dozen machines, not all under your own administrative control, that has its own problems; with "unstable", so far, we could just tell everybody "upgrade" |
| 17:42.06 | xoz | -geometry dim x dim |
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| 17:42.18 | raf256 | xoz ? |
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| 17:42.28 | SeBaW | hi everyone |
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| 17:42.40 | EdibleText | sdschulze, thats a function of the kernel. I beleive kernel-image 2.6.8 supports it .youll may also need some userland scripts |
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| 17:42.45 | raf256 | xoz I ment the ctlr-alt-F1 screens, they are in normal TEXT mode, how to use other TEXT modes or switch to VESA "TEXT"? |
| 17:42.54 | jim | raf256: boot with kernel arg "vga=ask" and pick a number you want |
| 17:43.02 | sdschulze | EdibleText: Don't I need to patch? |
| 17:43.12 | SeBaW | i need help with my ethernet adapter broadcom netextreme gigabit.... |
| 17:43.14 | jetscreamer | man lilo.conf also |
| 17:43.18 | EdibleText | sdschulze, not with a 2.6 iirc |
| 17:43.21 | jcnx | Xuse: that was a few years ago, and it broke for us; I'm sure in general, testing is fine for many people |
| 17:43.22 | xoz | raf256: follow jim...then reboot |
| 17:43.23 | raf256 | jim: ok, thnx... and I can not change this later? or use other setting for VT-1, 2 and so on? |
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| 17:43.37 | SeBaW | can some1 pls help me out here |
| 17:43.39 | jim | raf256, once you come up with the number you like, then from then on boot with "vga=thatnumber" |
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| 17:43.52 | EdibleText | !swsusp |
| 17:43.52 | dpkg | swsusp is, like, at http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ with this you can suspend/hibernate your linux system to disk without any BIOS support. late 2.4 kernel versions actually work! it has been integrated into 2.5 |
| 17:43.53 | jim | you have to watch the boot, because it will stop and ask you a question |
| 17:43.59 | raf256 | jim: oki, thanx, but I can not change this without rebooting O_o ? |
| 17:44.03 | jetscreamer | !say then from then |
| 17:44.04 | dpkg | then from then |
| 17:44.06 | Xuse | jcnx few years ago i would be like 13 ^_^ |
| 17:44.07 | ethics | jcnx, most of the desktop people use testing so id expect it to be nore stable than unstable in the high volume package changeing its hard to keep everything stable but broken is a variable thing..you see gnome is broken but only becuase you allowed it to change...we knew gnome was broken about 30 minutes after the accepteance... |
| 17:44.07 | jim | -no- |
| 17:44.11 | Radiance | any one recently solved a problem with gnome-panel-data and or gconf2 problems while trying to login using gnome ? |
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| 17:44.34 | jim | Xuse: did you say before you're using etch? |
| 17:44.36 | sdschulze | EdibleText: According to all Google says, I have to patch. |
| 17:44.41 | edwin_gurd1 | Where do I put new X resources, that affect all users (I am trying to make aterm transparent globally; for now I have to xrdb ~/atermresource)? |
| 17:44.42 | Xuse | yeah jim. |
| 17:44.43 | jetscreamer | man svgatext |
| 17:44.47 | sdschulze | What about openMosix, BTW? |
| 17:44.57 | sdschulze | I've heard the 2.6 is getting usable. |
| 17:44.58 | torklweil | why doesnt mouseclicking work on the benix kanotix mini |
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| 17:45.06 | jim | how close is etch to sarge? to sid? |
| 17:45.10 | ethics | jcnx, use a different WM for a few days...broken is the result of someone doing something to the system like upgradeing without looking etc. |
| 17:45.13 | kdibble | Radiance: The only one I had with gnome involved sound making it hang. Turning off all the gnome sounds fixed it. |
| 17:45.20 | jim | how is it usable after 3 days of devel? :) |
| 17:45.21 | shingouz | torklweil: #kanotix |
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| 17:45.31 | torklweil | they refuse to help |
| 17:45.32 | Xuse | jim it's closer to sarge atm. |
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| 17:45.43 | Radiance | kdibble, well, i have also a problem with removing gstreamer-<fill in here> |
| 17:45.48 | SeBaW | help needed with configureing eth0 device |
| 17:45.49 | EdibleText | sdschulze, patch which kernel? |
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| 17:46.05 | kdibble | Radiance: sorry, completely unfamiliar with that |
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| 17:46.11 | MrBallZ | hiyaz |
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| 17:46.21 | jcnx | ethics: thanks; I'll watch it a little longer. It's not a big problem yet and this sort of thing has happened before, I just wanted to get some idea of what was up. Ethics, do you think Sarge affects Debian/Unstable, or will it roughly continue like it used to in terms of occasional problems? |
| 17:46.23 | SeBaW | ne1 pls |
| 17:46.28 | jim | so the idea is etch = sarge initially, and then it gets upgrade packages leaked from sid? |
| 17:46.36 | torklweil | shingouz they say its not kanotix |
| 17:46.39 | shingouz | torklweil: that is not my problem. i know nothing about kanotix therefore i cannot help, the same goes for the rest of the channel, sorry. install debian and we are able to help |
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| 17:46.45 | jethro | torklweil: it's not debian either. |
| 17:46.48 | EdibleText | sdschulze, patch for sysvinit? |
| 17:46.51 | Xuse | Yes sounds about right. |
| 17:46.51 | fschulte | what's the problem, if user-mode-linux complains that it can't open a root device. i tried out some rootfs-images from the homepage without success. |
| 17:46.53 | MrBallZ | im getting this error, can someone tell me how can i fix it ... : |
| 17:46.55 | MrBallZ | gcc -c -I. -I"/include" `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` -g testdialog.cc |
| 17:46.55 | MrBallZ | Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 17:46.55 | MrBallZ | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' |
| 17:46.55 | MrBallZ | to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable |
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| 17:46.57 | Ronin | SeBaW: just tell us the problem we're not mind readers |
| 17:46.57 | ethics | jim, etch = sarge with small version upgrades atm...780 packages accepted into testing but i think the biggest thing i saw was kernel 2.6.11 |
| 17:47.00 | jim | SeBaW: you shouldn't abbreviate your words... people here will point and laugh :) |
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| 17:47.07 | MrBallZ | =S |
| 17:47.08 | MrBallZ | sorry |
| 17:47.28 | sdschulze | EdibleText: I know I have to patch for OpenMosix; my question was whether there are plans to distribute already patched binary kernels. |
| 17:47.37 | ethics | MrBallZ, :build-essentials loaded? |
| 17:47.44 | kdibble | SeBaW: what is the problem? |
| 17:47.48 | MrBallZ | ethics , don't know ... |
| 17:47.50 | jim | ethics: ahh, so is the etch debian-installer close to ready? I was trying to do one but people won't tell me how the images are supposed to be |
| 17:47.51 | MrBallZ | how can i know ??? |
| 17:47.52 | edwin_gurd1 | Whom should I ask questions related to X resources configuration? |
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| 17:48.10 | edwin_gurd1 | Can anybody help me? |
| 17:48.13 | shingouz | edwin_gurd1: the channel. /msg dpkg ask |
| 17:48.16 | jim | edwin_gurd1: you could look at man X first |
| 17:48.19 | GentelMan1 | Helo I want to install Debian In my Perfoma can AnyOne Help Me |
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| 17:48.42 | nvz | if you crack your weed pipe, does that make it a crack pipe? |
| 17:48.43 | MrBallZ | ethics : , where can I check ... |
| 17:48.49 | SeBaW | the problem is when i use ifconfig i don't see eth0 |
| 17:48.54 | ethics | jlm well its the sarge installer with 1 textfile changed atm... |
| 17:49.01 | shingouz | GentelMan1: how about checking the install docs on the debian website first? |
| 17:49.03 | jim | GentelMan1: what have you tried so far? where are you stuck? what's the problem now? (to the channel... I have to take a shower and practice my bass) |
| 17:49.07 | ethics | dpkg -l |
| 17:49.09 | EdibleText | sdschulze, well dpkg factiod says it was included in 2.5; i am looking at kernel-source 2.6.8 and CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND Software Suspend (EXPERIMENTAL) is included. |
| 17:49.11 | SeBaW | ne ideas ? |
| 17:49.15 | ethics | MrBallZ, ^^ |
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| 17:49.20 | jim | !u |
| 17:49.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:49.25 | MrBallZ | let me try ... |
| 17:49.25 | jim | !any ides |
| 17:49.28 | jim | !any ideas |
| 17:49.28 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of sex-crazed kittens. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 17:49.35 | jethro | !aolify SeBaW |
| 17:49.37 | jim | !ne1 |
| 17:49.38 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 17:49.44 | sdschulze | EdibleText: Nice; maybe it's a previous version? |
| 17:49.46 | wargre | Whats the new repository for testing update? |
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| 17:49.48 | shingouz | SeBaW: you sound like Ferris Buellers teacher |
| 17:50.05 | xoz | !etch |
| 17:50.05 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
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| 17:50.07 | jim | all that stuff, see? pointing. laughing. stop abbreviating if you want to be taken seriously :) |
| 17:50.10 | EdibleText | sdschulze, i dont know if its included with the debian kernel-image2.6.8 though.. but no patching needed |
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| 17:50.18 | ethics | SeBaW, you have a network card? does it have a linux driver loaded for it atm |
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| 17:50.32 | sdschulze | EdibleText: Ah, OK. |
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| 17:50.53 | MrBallZ | ethics: no , it doesn't show on the list ... |
| 17:50.56 | sdschulze | EdibleText: But it doesn't look like it's set. :( |
| 17:51.06 | nvz | I think the answer depends on if you have super glue or not |
| 17:51.07 | scar_ | I just compiled my own kernel and it halts on boot saying: kernel panic cant mount root fs |
| 17:51.08 | ethics | MRBalls: install it |
| 17:51.09 | Lee__ | what's the recommended way to manage a bunch of SSH key (i.e. no password) based authentication? |
| 17:51.18 | positrix | how so i get xmms to play midi files? |
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| 17:51.26 | shingouz | scar_: get a debian kernel |
| 17:51.28 | jim | does xmms do that? |
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| 17:51.34 | SeBaW | i have a network card though as i am a linux n00b i dunno about the drivers, runing lspci i get unknow device msg for both wlan and lan adapter |
| 17:51.37 | EdibleText | sdschulze, its considered (EXPERIMENTAL) probably why.. |
| 17:51.37 | xoz | scar_: forgot to compile your fs and ide/hdd driver not as module? |
| 17:51.41 | MrBallZ | ethics : apt-get install build-essentials ???? |
| 17:51.49 | jethro | Lee__: what are you trying to ask? |
| 17:51.50 | resiak | scar_: Why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 17:52.04 | xoz | scar_: or make initrd image |
| 17:52.12 | shingouz | SeBaW: what card do you have there is the question |
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| 17:52.25 | ethics | positrix, modprobe snd-virmidi && modprobe snd-mpu401-uart |
| 17:52.27 | jetscreamer | or, more like didn't update the bootloader with the new initrd information, or lack thereof |
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| 17:52.38 | jim | SeBaW: hmm, could you check the linux hardware compatibility list and see if your card is on it? (about n00b... that will wear off if you read and try what you read a LOT) |
| 17:52.49 | Lee__ | jethro: well, I'm asking what's the recommended way to manage a bunch of SSH key (i.e. no password) based accounts. Non-interactively? |
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| 17:52.59 | ethics | positrix, add them to your modules...alsa doesnt load ema s default as midi on some sound cards is broken |
| 17:53.01 | EdibleText | sdschulze, For more information take a look at Documentation/power/swsusp.txt in the latest kernel-source2.6.8 |
| 17:53.07 | Lee__ | move that question mark to the first sentence |
| 17:53.12 | SeBaW | Ine link to compatibilty list would be great :D |
| 17:53.14 | MrBallZ | ethics: what is the name of tha package ???? |
| 17:53.15 | ethics | MrBallZ, yep that right 8) |
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| 17:53.30 | ethics | MrBallZ, build-essential i think |
| 17:53.35 | sdschulze | EdibleText: OK, I'll collect a list of things to patch and, when it's long enough, compile. |
| 17:53.36 | MrBallZ | ok |
| 17:53.38 | jethro | Lee__: look at man ssh-agent, man ssh_config and also man keychain. |
| 17:53.42 | shingouz | SeBaW: what card do you have? |
| 17:53.46 | kdibble | Anyone successful with Win98 networking on top of Qemu 0.6.1 running on top of Sarge (kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 17:53.50 | jethro | Lee__: I'm not sure I got your point though. |
| 17:53.51 | SeBaW | i have broadcom netextreme gigabit as LAN and intel wireless pro adapter 2200 bg |
| 17:53.52 | ethics | MrBallZ, apt-cache searc build-es* should see it |
| 17:54.03 | Lee__ | jethro: thanks, exactly what I'm looking for. |
| 17:54.04 | sdschulze | EdibleText: thanks, however |
| 17:54.09 | shingouz | kdibble: stop polling, jsut ask your question please |
| 17:54.11 | MrBallZ | there |
| 17:54.14 | MrBallZ | installed it .. |
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| 17:54.17 | jethro | Lee__: you're welcome then. |
| 17:54.21 | MrBallZ | now i run what i want to compile again ? |
| 17:54.22 | jim | Lee__: look into ssh-agent and ssh-add (and note, that the X maint has arranged to run the entire x session in an ssh-agent; you'll know what that means shortly, after you read up :) |
| 17:54.24 | jetscreamer | tabtabtabtab tabbuddy |
| 17:54.26 | ethics | SeBaW, modprobe tg3 |
| 17:54.30 | TGM | Um... can somebody point me to the message that announced closing non-us for post-sarge? If there is no message then why is non-us missing 'testing' and 'unstable'. |
| 17:54.32 | scar_ | I compiled it and there were no errors .... the kernel compilation was ok I guess and he even installed it to grub ... |
| 17:54.37 | shingouz | SeBaW: what kernel? |
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| 17:54.53 | kdibble | shingouz: sorry not polling, just can't connect to anything |
| 17:55.03 | ethics | shingouz, tg3 for the broadcom.. |
| 17:55.06 | shingouz | !tell kdibble about sicco |
| 17:55.08 | SeBaW | not sure. i think 2.6.x how do i check ? |
| 17:55.11 | jim | MrBallZ: you would compile first, then run |
| 17:55.14 | Lee__ | jethro: I have a lot of systems to back up and keep in sync. I want to do it via ssh but I don't want to type in passwords. |
| 17:55.16 | shingouz | ethics: ty |
| 17:55.20 | jim | heyy! someone's using my factoid! |
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| 17:55.23 | shingouz | SeBaW: uname -a |
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| 17:55.26 | afabian | Does anyone have an exim configuration that uses Google's SMTP (starttls, sasl, special port) as a smarthost? |
| 17:55.27 | ethics | shingouz, np...same as me |
| 17:55.27 | MrBallZ | ethics : Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 17:55.28 | MrBallZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.39 | CyzarX | Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/contrib Packages <== anyone has this problem during apt-get update? |
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| 17:55.43 | SeBaW | 2.6.6 |
| 17:55.48 | scar_ | for debian sarge installation I used two floppies and the rest was downloaded from net |
| 17:55.53 | ethics | MrBallZ, what are you building? |
| 17:55.53 | scar_ | is this recommended? |
| 17:55.58 | jim | SeBaW: you built it yourself? |
| 17:56.01 | shingouz | !tell CyzarX about etch security |
| 17:56.05 | MrBallZ | this : http://users.thundrix.ch/~dannym/ |
| 17:56.06 | jethro | Lee__: keychain is probably what you want then. it's a manager for ssh-agent. |
| 17:56.12 | SeBaW | runing modprobe tg3 did nothing.... |
| 17:56.23 | shingouz | !tell SeBaW about nicktab |
| 17:56.33 | TGM | I think you guys missed my question so: Um... can somebody point me to the message that announced closing non-us for post-sarge? If there is no message then why is non-us missing 'testing' and 'unstable'? |
| 17:56.41 | ethics | scar_ netinstaller is 100 mb is...buisness card version is like 30mb |
| 17:56.42 | toresbe | hmm, nei, det funket heller ikke :3~( |
| 17:56.45 | SeBaW | not built my self, auditor distro |
| 17:56.46 | CyzarX | shingouz, what happened to security.debian.org? |
| 17:56.46 | shingouz | SeBaW: did nothing is not good enough, did you get an error? |
| 17:56.49 | afabian | I noticed when running X, somewhere in the scripts, and ssh-agent is already running. It's nice, because I didn't have to figure out how to get the stupid environment variable propagated. |
| 17:56.53 | SeBaW | no |
| 17:57.00 | ethics | scar jogdo/bootfloppy works but isos are prolly the recommendeds |
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| 17:57.02 | shingouz | CyzarX: sarge went stable and testing does not have security |
| 17:57.05 | SeBaW | it just put's me to another line |
| 17:57.07 | MrBallZ | ethics: im trying to compile this tarball http://users.thundrix.ch/~dannym/ , to fix a problem with opera |
| 17:57.10 | CyzarX | ohhh |
| 17:57.18 | jim | TGM: not sure... maybe non-us mirror directory tree "shape" has changed |
| 17:57.24 | CyzarX | shingouz, now, what is on testing? |
| 17:57.25 | shingouz | SeBaW: use the nick of the person you talk to on the line too |
| 17:57.28 | jim | poke around and see :) |
| 17:57.37 | shingouz | CyzarX: didn't you read the factoid? |
| 17:57.37 | kdibble | How would I go about getting Win98 to connect to anything other than itself when running on top of Qemu and Sarge (details available if interested)? |
| 17:57.54 | SeBaW | ok |
| 17:57.59 | CyzarX | shingouz, sorry, was busy this few months. wassup with factoid? |
| 17:57.59 | ethics | MrBallZ, i c....did it say you needed kernel headers or anything? |
| 17:58.05 | SeBaW | got that about nicks.... |
| 17:58.11 | shingouz | SeBaW: and read what dpkg told you |
| 17:58.13 | positrix | ethics: modprobe failed, couldn't find the modules ( im using 2.4.27, will i need a newer kernel?) |
| 17:58.16 | shingouz | !tell CyzarX about etch security |
| 17:58.18 | MrBallZ | ethics , let me check ... |
| 17:58.18 | TGM | jim: I searched non-us.debian.org by hand and there is no sign of etch or sid. |
| 17:58.21 | nvz | kdibble: yeah details would be nice.. like what the hell "connect to anything other than itself" means |
| 17:58.24 | jim | SeBaW: nothing? then maybe it was successful :) try: ifconfig eth0 |
| 17:58.30 | shingouz | CyzarX: read what dpkg told you |
| 17:58.31 | Ungy | ok i haven't worked with crontab before and I would like to add amanda dumps to my crontab do I need to right a script for this and add it into /etc/cron.daily |
| 17:58.40 | Lee__ | !non-us |
| 17:58.40 | dpkg | non-us is probably where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 17:58.42 | ethics | positrix, yeah alsa is 2.6 kernels |
| 17:58.50 | kdibble | nvz: sorry didnt want to be too verbose after last butt chewing |
| 17:58.55 | nvz | heh |
| 17:58.55 | jim | does it give you: a paragraph about eth0? OR an error message saying eth0 does not exist? |
| 17:59.08 | TGM | but there is a non-us for sarge. |
| 17:59.12 | nvz | kdibble: try looking for a qemu channel or something maybe |
| 17:59.13 | SeBaW | jim: i get Link encap:UNSPEC |
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| 17:59.16 | kdibble | nvz: everything is ok, win98 set to ip 10.0.0.1 gateway to 10.0.0.2 can ping self |
| 17:59.22 | Ronin | SeBaW: if you have a question ask it here and not to me in a message |
| 17:59.30 | nvz | kdibble: there will be less butt chewing if the people you are asking know more about it |
| 17:59.31 | jim | SeBaW: ahh, but you do get a paragraph? |
| 17:59.35 | SeBaW | Ronin: roger that |
| 17:59.36 | kdibble | nvz: you want details or want me to try a qemu channel? |
| 17:59.43 | SeBaW | i get it |
| 17:59.58 | nvz | kdibble: I dont know much at all about qemu.. so even with the details I dont know that I could help |
| 18:00.00 | SeBaW | Jim: i get the paragraph yes |
| 18:00.10 | CyzarX | shingouz, ty |
| 18:00.13 | ethics | hey is orix bsd or linux or closed unix source |
| 18:00.15 | MrBallZ | ethics: this it what it says after i type make, gcc -c -I. -I"/include" `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` -g testdialog.cc Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gtk+-2.0' found in file included from qfiledialog.h:54, |
| 18:00.15 | jim | ok, so you have the driver installed... |
| 18:00.39 | kdibble | nvz:sorry, you said details would be nice, I took that as attempt to help. Thanks anyway. |
| 18:00.40 | nvz | kdibble: personally I sign up to try vmware then steal it from them.. heh its easier to configure and use |
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| 18:00.46 | TGM | is sid frozen for C++ ABI change yet? |
| 18:00.46 | SeBaW | jim: i got 4 errors and 4 dropped packets |
| 18:01.03 | ethics | MrBallZ, you may need a dev library... |
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| 18:01.07 | SeBaW | jim: TX, RX still nothing |
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| 18:01.20 | ethics | sid is never frozen... |
| 18:01.22 | jim | ok, ignore that for now |
| 18:01.24 | MrBallZ | ethics : =0 .... what package do i need ? |
| 18:01.30 | foom | anyone know where amd64 sarge non-free can be found these days? |
| 18:01.34 | jim | SeBaW: rmmod tg3 |
| 18:01.40 | Big_Wolf | Does anyone have experience with dosemu? I can't get it to use the dosemu fonts, even if I have the xfonts-dosemu package installed |
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| 18:01.49 | foom | the non-free section of the official location seems to be empty |
| 18:01.53 | jim | SeBaW: run modconf, find tg3, install using that |
| 18:01.56 | shingouz | SeBaW: modprobe -r tg3, do not use rmmod |
| 18:01.57 | honschu | How to tell udev to make links from /dev/input/js* to /dev/ ? |
| 18:02.04 | shingouz | jim: modprobe -r |
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| 18:02.21 | jim | shingouz: why? |
| 18:02.38 | jim | it should be fine for the purpose |
| 18:02.45 | nvz | foom the moof.. reminds me of fooz the zoof |
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| 18:02.47 | ethics | MrBalls i dont know to be honest... you need to ask again ..id say you need gtk -dev libraries but i dont compile much...maybee jim or shingous can tell repaste the error |
| 18:02.49 | TGM | ethics: umm it will be.. not 'actually' but in effect. see 17063.35270.6785.819449@gargle.gargle.HOWL in d-d-a |
| 18:02.50 | EdibleText | kdibble, http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-doc.html#SEC20 have you tried getting the qemu-ifup script |
| 18:02.53 | shingouz | jim: modprobe takes care of all the other modules the removed module uses |
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| 18:03.08 | shingouz | jim: kinda like recursive you know |
| 18:03.18 | jim | shingouz: oic |
| 18:03.26 | ludi | I followed all of the steps for installing nvidia drivers...how do I tell if it worked? |
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| 18:03.33 | FarrisG | can anyone tell me the difference between DCC (debian cluster components) and just plain-ol' OpenPBS/Torque? |
| 18:03.34 | SeBaW | jim: i can't list lines |
| 18:03.36 | mae | ludi > glxgears |
| 18:03.36 | jim | that shouldnt' be necessary, but either way is fine |
| 18:03.39 | TGM | note that the freeze in question is a partial freeze. |
| 18:03.46 | SeBaW | jim: in modconf |
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| 18:04.15 | ethics | TGM, ahh ic ill have to keep an eye n whats changing around in there hehe |
| 18:04.27 | shingouz | i'll go pollute some air, brb |
| 18:04.29 | SeBaW | jim: do i have to run it in terminal mode or can i run it in terminal from xwin ? |
| 18:04.33 | MrBallZ | shingouz: I'm trying to compile a tarball , to fix a problem in opera, this is where i get it from: http://users.thundrix.ch/~dannym/ and this it what it says after i type make, gcc -c -I. -I"/include" `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` -g testdialog.cc Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variab |
| 18:04.33 | MrBallZ | le No package 'gtk+-2.0' found in file included from qfiledialog.h:54, |
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| 18:04.37 | kdibble | EditableText:yes, I saw it, it appeared to me to be targeted at running linux on qemu, maybe I missed something, thanks. |
| 18:04.53 | shingouz | MrBallZ: why the hell do you ask me? |
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| 18:05.02 | jim | SeBaW: just find the tg3 module, and install it... the advantage is: once you install tg3 using modconf (there is another way btw), every time you boot your debian it will load that module |
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| 18:05.20 | jim | SeBaW: the other way is you edit a text file |
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| 18:05.30 | scar_ | ok how can I remove the installed kernel? I have done dpkg -i kernel.deb before ... how to remove? |
| 18:05.34 | jim | maybe /etc/modules |
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| 18:05.50 | honschu | How to tell udev to make links from /dev/input/js* to /dev/ ? |
| 18:05.52 | jim | scar_: dpkg --help :) |
| 18:06.04 | TGM | Yeah... is there any sid stability-meter that mesaures stability objectively but with better criteria than how often packeges are updated? |
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| 18:06.24 | scar_ | jim, well it's dpkg -r but he won't remove if I enter kernel.deb or just kernel |
| 18:06.28 | jim | TGM: it would go off the scale pretty often :) |
| 18:06.28 | SeBaW | jim: dunno why but i can't scroll down and can't select ne thing else but EXIT |
| 18:06.37 | shingouz | MrBallZ: that doesn't help, i do not use opera nor do i compile browsers here even for the hell of it, i get way enough compiling when i need to make a new kernel for my laptop |
| 18:06.39 | ethics | scar same way but the remove switch...you can have 2 kernels loaded and select at boot time...i always keep a default that i know give me a bootable system |
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| 18:06.49 | jim | SeBaW: up arrow/down arrow don't work? |
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| 18:07.19 | SeBaW | jim: no, if it helps i am on laptop |
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| 18:07.39 | TGM | jim: good point... but i've been running sid for quite a while with very few problems... the largest problem so-far has been missing dependencies. |
| 18:07.51 | SuperSox | I'm looking for a new graphics card, mostly for a win system, but probably going to run Linux on same box (AMD64, how could I not?) just wondering, nVidia still prefered over ATI re driver support? |
| 18:07.58 | ludi | mae: 650 frames in 5.0 seconds = 130.000 FPS |
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| 18:08.06 | jim | ok,,, if that doesnt' work, then exit from that and ask or otherwise find out what file to edit to make sure that tg3 module is loaded at boot |
| 18:08.06 | ludi | mae: so did it work? |
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| 18:08.16 | TGM | Then again sid was kept fairly stable for the sarge release so my expirence is a-typical. |
| 18:08.18 | jbond00747-2 | After upgrading to sarge yesterday and trying to upgrade the kernels my system now won't boot. It is a powerpc and in the upper left corner says "Loading Second Stage Bootstrap..." and in the middle has a folder with a flashing question mark. |
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| 18:08.21 | ethics | ludi its working |
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| 18:08.33 | ludi | wonder why Point2Play says it's not working |
| 18:08.42 | jbond00747-2 | Someone here yesterday told me to run ybin from inside a chroot from some live CD but that isn't quite working |
| 18:08.58 | SeBaW | jim: gonna try that |
| 18:09.00 | jim | TGM: yes, that's basically true... again, sharp orthogonal turn |
| 18:09.31 | justin | jbond00747-2: what does "isn't quite working" mean? |
| 18:09.39 | jim | someone help SeBaW find out how to get tg3 loaded at boot (by editing the appropriate file) |
| 18:09.43 | jbond00747-2 | I'm getting error messages from ybin |
| 18:09.46 | ethics | actually on that glxgear proggy its seems that 650 comes up a fair bit for frame rates yet im getting 9200 fframes on my system...... |
| 18:09.55 | paster | "jbond00747-2" at 134.173.88.131 pasted "Trying to run ybin from a chroot from ubuntu live" (16 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/204 |
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| 18:10.31 | honschu | How to configure udev to link from /dev/input/js* to /dev/ ? |
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| 18:11.01 | ecobit | honschu: with ln? |
| 18:11.07 | jbond00747-2 | justin: I know that /dev/hda2 did have a bootstrap on it as it did work before |
| 18:11.09 | nvz | I got only one thing to say about that.. what the fuck! heh tried doing Shift+d to clear my playlist and power detached screen somehwo |
| 18:11.17 | honschu | ecobit, but every new boot the link is deleted. |
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| 18:11.35 | ecobit | honschu: unless you need udev, maybe just uninstall it |
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| 18:11.47 | ludi | ethics: how can you tell that it's working? Point2Play says it's not working. |
| 18:11.49 | jim | honschu: just use /dev/input/whatever... what's the problem with that? if you don't do that, then you'd have that problem every time you (for example) switched dists or (forexample) reinstalled |
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| 18:11.51 | justin | jbond00747-2: did you try running mkofboot? |
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| 18:11.58 | ecobit | honschu: FWIU most people don't even use it |
| 18:12.02 | jbond00747-2 | justin: I'll try that....just a second |
| 18:12.05 | Xuse | 19242 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3848.400 FPS ok now everyone post there glxgears for fun ! |
| 18:12.08 | ethics | ludi whats pointtoplay? |
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| 18:12.21 | ludi | ethics: the front-end for winex (cedega) |
| 18:12.27 | jim | For Why I'm Urkle? |
| 18:12.30 | ethics | ludi ill try it and see what mine says...the huge number difference is weird i feel |
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| 18:12.43 | honschu | jim: I do not switch dists or reinstall a lot. Isn't it possible to define a roule or something? |
| 18:12.43 | ethics | ludi is it freeware? |
| 18:12.56 | paster | "jbond00747-2" at 134.173.88.131 pasted "Errors running mkofboot" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/205 |
| 18:13.11 | jim | honschu: probably... but why bother if it's one-time set-and-forget? |
| 18:13.12 | ludi | ethics: no |
| 18:13.18 | positrix | im just about to upgrade my kernel from 2.4.27 to 2.6 should i go with 2.6.8 or 2.6.11? |
| 18:13.28 | Xuse | 2.6.11! |
| 18:13.29 | xam | Xuse: what kind of hardware is that? |
| 18:13.31 | ethics | ludi 8( try running a game ...quaje2 or something.. |
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| 18:13.38 | ethics | quake2 |
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| 18:13.50 | honschu | jim: I wouldn't forget because I wrote the kernelmodule for the joystick |
| 18:13.56 | ethics | ludi trial it see what happens.. |
| 18:13.56 | Xuse | xam it's a geforce 6600 |
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| 18:14.14 | ethics | ludi it looks like its working from all ive heard before the cedega thingy |
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| 18:14.35 | jim | honschu, at that point you are using the names that were actually given by the udev thing |
| 18:14.35 | xam | Xuse: no wonder it's faster than my 1.5GHz P4, Geforce2 MX (159.000) |
| 18:14.35 | jbond00747-2 | justin: Did you see the errors i'm getting running that? |
| 18:14.45 | error403 | is mod-rewrite (for Apache) easily available in the apt repos for Debian |
| 18:14.49 | Xuse | I don't even play games though |
| 18:14.49 | Krasiva_noche | bob2: are you around ? |
| 18:15.09 | SeBaW | jim: i have no idea what file to edit or how to edit it .... :D |
| 18:15.15 | Xuse | as for my processor amd 64 3200 |
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| 18:15.29 | jim | you wrote the module? ok, wouldn't the module specify where and what name the device file has/ |
| 18:15.30 | jim | ? |
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| 18:15.37 | ethics | xuse what does glxgears give you as frames? |
| 18:15.39 | jim | SeBaW: try /etc/modules |
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| 18:15.48 | honschu | jim: Yes I can use them, but I love to use /dev/js0 instead of the IMO shitty /dev/input/js0. |
| 18:15.52 | jasoncohen | ethics, have people that followed the release notes (aptitude install aptitude, aptitude -f dist-upgrade) had problems? |
| 18:15.56 | man_in_shack | does unstable have e17 yet? |
| 18:16.04 | xam | Xuse: I don't particulary care about CPU speed. I handle lots of data and have large I/O. |
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| 18:16.19 | ethics | jasoncohen, not that ive seen .... |
| 18:16.25 | streuner | man_in_shack: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:16.32 | jasoncohen | so, the problems are caused by pepole not reading the instructions |
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| 18:16.40 | Emc | =) |
| 18:16.41 | XTF | Hi. What's the difference between businesscard and netinst ISOs? And where should I've been able to read about that difference? |
| 18:16.44 | Xuse | ethics scroll up and see. ;p |
| 18:16.49 | ethics | jasoncohen, mos probs are unstable gnome breakage crys |
| 18:17.01 | SeBaW | jim: no such dir, though i have modutils in /etc |
| 18:17.01 | Virtual | when I try to play a song in XMMS I get the following error: Couldn`t open audi, Please check that: Your soundcard is configured corectly, You have entered the output plugin corectly or no other programs are blocking your soundcard |
| 18:17.09 | jasoncohen | ethics, that's in sid though, right? |
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| 18:17.19 | jasoncohen | with the gnome problems due to parts from 2.8 and parts from 2.10 |
| 18:17.20 | Virtual | I even tryed to switch off the sound system from control center |
| 18:17.22 | Virtual | any suggestions? |
| 18:17.37 | ethics | jasoncohen, yeah nothing happening new in sarge or etch it seems |
| 18:17.40 | Xuse | xam cpu speed didn't mean that much to me either, but when i went to upgrade thought i might aswell upgrade everything. |
| 18:18.00 | ethics | xuse nice im on a 6200 pull9200 |
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| 18:18.06 | Emc | hi , i have install debian whit a live cd ( Whoppix 2.7 ) and in Whoppix all drivers is here but on debian just graphic and eth... How i can transfer the sound driver on my debian? Sry my english is no good.... |
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| 18:18.22 | zumbi | Virtual, do you have the driver for your sound card ? |
| 18:18.37 | zumbi | Virtual, did you configure xmms as the message said ? |
| 18:18.39 | jim | honschu: aside: I have this logitech joystick, a wingman that can do either usb or gameport... any idea what module name to support that js? |
| 18:18.57 | nvz | haha ... hahahaha there is a distro called whoppix now? |
| 18:18.58 | ethics | emc: whoppix may be very different to how debian actually does things... |
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| 18:19.09 | man_in_shack | well ... |
| 18:19.22 | jim | Whoppix Goldberg? |
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| 18:19.23 | Virtual | zumbi: I think I do, it worked two days ago |
| 18:19.26 | honschu | jim: usb is HID, gameport - a general driver is analog |
| 18:19.26 | man_in_shack | why is there enlightenment 0.16.999 in apt as well as 0.16.7? |
| 18:19.30 | streuner | nvz: /msg dpkg whoppix |
| 18:19.30 | Emc | ok.. But how i can have a sond...? |
| 18:19.40 | xam | nvz: I guess they'll also release a McDebian pretty soon |
| 18:19.41 | honschu | http://webuser.fh-furtwangen.de/~fritzc/honnii.html |
| 18:19.44 | Emc | sound* |
| 18:19.44 | ethics | jim: do you install it by whoppydrive? |
| 18:19.49 | nvz | xam: ahh!! |
| 18:19.55 | zumbi | Virtual, might be some process blocking your sound ? |
| 18:20.10 | Virtual | I don`t think so, none of the processes running use sound |
| 18:20.19 | jim | ethics: /me searches the whoopi dreadlocks for info on that... |
| 18:20.24 | paulswm | ethics: HAHA |
| 18:20.28 | Virtual | I have a web broswer, some konsoles, a e-mail client and the xmms |
| 18:20.31 | xam | nvz: or a Double Whoppix, which contains both gnome and KDE! |
| 18:20.34 | Virtual | and x-chat |
| 18:20.35 | man_in_shack | jim, usb joysticks are supported with the input module in 2.6.x |
| 18:20.45 | positrix | man_in_shack: 0.16.99999999 is e17, (but not quite finished yet) |
| 18:21.04 | man_in_shack | positrix, i expect people already know it doesn't install cleanly |
| 18:21.05 | jim | man_in_shack: so it ought to load if I just plug the thing in probably |
| 18:21.12 | ethics | Virtual, xmms.. |
| 18:21.15 | nvz | whoppix there it is... |
| 18:21.17 | zumbi | Virtual, did you check xmms setup ? |
| 18:21.19 | man_in_shack | jim, if you plug it into usb, yes |
| 18:21.25 | Emc | Ethics : How i can have my driver... ? |
| 18:21.28 | justin | jbond00747-2: oooh, I think I know what it is.. |
| 18:21.32 | man_in_shack | jim, in theory at least |
| 18:21.35 | Virtual | ethics: yes? |
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| 18:21.40 | justin | jbond00747-2: do you have anything in /dev ? I think you need to start udev in the chroot |
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| 18:21.46 | Virtual | zumbi: I did but i`m not sure for what i`m supposed to look |
| 18:21.52 | EdibleText | dpkg Whoppix is a stand alone penetration testing live cd based on Knoppix. With the latest tools and exploits, |
| 18:21.53 | dpkg | ...but whoppix is already something else... |
| 18:21.53 | ethics | emc: does it have alsa? what kind of kernel you run? 2.6? |
| 18:22.13 | jbond00747-2 | justin: just a sec...let me check |
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| 18:22.22 | Emc | My kernel is 2.6.11.9 |
| 18:22.23 | jim | so whoppix is a dist based on a dist based on debian... |
| 18:22.23 | zumbi | well, it depends on your kernel, OSS or Alsa drivers, try to lsmod on a xterm |
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| 18:22.44 | nvz | EdibleText: have to add "no" or "also" |
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| 18:22.54 | asg | jim: it will grow a 3rd arm if they keep inbreeding like that |
| 18:22.58 | jim | !whoppix |
| 18:22.58 | dpkg | somebody said whoppix was http://www.whoppix.net/. Whoppix is a stand alone penetration testing live cd based on Knoppix. With the latest tools and exploits, it is a must for every penetration tester and security auditor. Whoppix includes Several exploit archives, such as Securityfocus, Packetstorm, SecurityForest and Milw0rm, as well as a wide variety of updated security tools. The new custom kernel also allows for better WIFI support, for ... |
| 18:23.01 | Emc | Ethics alsa = command not found and my kernel is 2.6 |
| 18:23.09 | nvz | EdibleText: e.g. "no, Whoppix is" or "Whoppix is also" |
| 18:23.20 | ethics | Emc: hmm that should have alsa built in as modules...your sure the drivers for sound dont exist in /lib/modules /somewhere round here? |
| 18:23.24 | EdibleText | nvz, I know :) |
| 18:23.24 | jbond00747-2 | justin: it appears I have things in /dev |
| 18:23.32 | teclo | Hello. Hm, is it normal there's no 2.4 or 2.6 kernel for the mac in Debian Sarge m68k ? |
| 18:23.36 | ethics | Emc: try alsaconf |
| 18:23.43 | justin | jbond00747-2: /dev/hd* specifically? |
| 18:23.45 | jbond00747-2 | justin: Looking at fstab I don't see a separate mount for /dev |
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| 18:24.10 | jbond00747-2 | justin: I do have stuff there.... |
| 18:24.21 | Emc | Ethics : alsaconf it's good... lib/modules have 2 kernel.. |
| 18:24.26 | jim | hmm, interesting... maybe I'll throw a woppix at the next guy that tries logging into my computer without my permission :P |
| 18:24.26 | paulswm | I wonder what the difference is between whoppix as a penetration test CD and whoppix as a hax0r's CD |
| 18:24.26 | EdibleText | nvz, I didnt bother to check if the factiod existed.. I liked the way they punctuated the descriptopn though |
| 18:24.33 | justin | jbond00747-2: you wouldn't have anything in /etc/fstab.. nevermind about udev then.. |
| 18:24.36 | jim | WHOP! |
| 18:24.49 | justin | jbond00747-2: not sure what it would be then.. try #debian-ppc or such? |
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| 18:24.55 | jbond00747-2 | I just checked my package list. I don't have udev installed |
| 18:25.01 | xam | paulswm: the fact that you use on your own PCs |
| 18:25.08 | jim | paulswm: in my case it could represent defensive response |
| 18:25.15 | sameer | hey is upgrading from woody to sarge really worth it? |
| 18:25.17 | jim | that's fairly offensive in nature :) |
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| 18:25.24 | jbond00747-2 | justin: Thanks. I'll check there |
| 18:25.29 | ethics | emc alsaconf find card? |
| 18:25.34 | EdibleText | sameer, depends.. |
| 18:25.38 | bucky | sameer yes |
| 18:25.39 | shingouz | jim: yea, just upgrade the lusers box to a doorstop :p |
| 18:25.43 | asg | teclo: did you check the release notes? |
| 18:25.51 | nvz | sameer: are you able to do it painlessly? |
| 18:25.54 | Emc | Ethics : in alsaconf he detect my sound card ( intel8x0 : Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM .... AC '97 |
| 18:25.58 | Stormy | how do i give someone r/w permissions to a usb pen drive everytime one is inserted? |
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| 18:26.07 | asg | Stormy: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 18:26.22 | paulswm | But you know what I mean, "security testing" could be a euphemism for "break in and steal credit cards" |
| 18:26.28 | ethics | emc good now you have sound driver...you need to turn on the volume now...alsamixer maybee. |
| 18:26.31 | _daniel_ | Stormy, man fstab |
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| 18:26.46 | Emc | ok i install and after i reboot? |
| 18:26.48 | glick | excuse me does anyone know why when i try to install sarge on my my p3 machine it says that it detects a tulip card but it can not load the module for some reason |
| 18:27.00 | ethics | emc no need reboot is loaded already |
| 18:27.03 | glick | on the eth card i see the lights on so the card itself seems to be working |
| 18:27.14 | Emc | Ethics : We Have a error... |
| 18:27.16 | ethics | linux no reboot unless kernel or hardware crash |
| 18:27.25 | Stormy | but i think it's famd that's auto mounting it |
| 18:27.27 | ethics | emc what eror? |
| 18:27.38 | honschu | How to switch on the Num_Lock automatically? |
| 18:27.49 | Stormy | or some auto mounting daemon |
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| 18:27.55 | Stormy | because there is no line for it in fstab |
| 18:28.16 | teclo | From the release notes: "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 for the Motorola 680x0 architecture ships with kernel versions 2.2.25 and 2.4.27. For some subarchitectures 2.6.8 kernels are also available, but these should be considered experimental. " There's indeed no 2.6 kernel for the 68k macintosh, but there should be a 2.4 kernel for the 68k macintosh |
| 18:28.18 | nvz | heh, I have been rediscovering lately why I love Rage Against The Machine so much :P |
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| 18:28.28 | ethics | stormy if you use hotplug you can put a script in for devices |
| 18:28.42 | Emc | Ethics : Setting up ALSA .../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning : ' alsactl restore " failed whit error message , No state is present for card i822801.... . done. |
| 18:28.44 | shingouz | hmm.. whoppix seems to be lacking kismet |
| 18:28.45 | _daniel_ | Stormy, then I dont know, the way I do is use automount |
| 18:28.58 | Emc | love kismet =) |
| 18:28.58 | nvz | I always have thousands of songs to listen to, and I get in these cycles of listing to the same shit over and over |
| 18:28.59 | ethics | stormy hotplug defines the device name so it is the mounter for those |
| 18:29.00 | hac | When in Sid I can get Xorg?Its safe get it from ubuntu? |
| 18:29.02 | glick | does anyone know what could be causing that and how to get around it? |
| 18:29.18 | asg | honschu: try the numlockx package |
| 18:29.23 | honschu | asg: thx |
| 18:29.24 | _daniel_ | hac dont use xorg |
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| 18:29.27 | Xuse | ubuntu is not debian, so no don't use it. |
| 18:29.30 | ethics | emc ignore it...its trying to setup you default volumes...which you havent set |
| 18:29.31 | shingouz | Emc: i have a love/hate relationship with kismet really |
| 18:29.33 | zumbi | !tell hac about xorg |
| 18:29.40 | _daniel_ | hac I got It and its broken for sid |
| 18:29.41 | Emc | lol |
| 18:29.42 | edwin_gurde | hi |
| 18:29.53 | nvz | glick: try be more specific, exact kernel version, lspci output for the ethernet adapter, exact error messages.. etc |
| 18:29.54 | Emc | Ethics : so it's failed... right? |
| 18:29.59 | ethics | emc: silly script...debian ones modded to not do that |
| 18:29.59 | edwin_gurde | why isn't /msg dpkg kde3.4 work? |
| 18:30.11 | ethics | emc: driver loaded...default volumes unset |
| 18:30.13 | nvz | glick: and also just try booting the alternate kernels on the cd. ffs :) |
| 18:30.21 | ethics | emc: try loading alsamixer |
| 18:30.23 | asg | !tell edwin_gurde about kde 3.4 |
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| 18:30.36 | jim | edwin_gurde: /msg dpkg listkeys kde |
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| 18:31.14 | Emc | Ethics : ok i have take all in max , after ? |
| 18:31.17 | honschu | asg: numlockx works great, thx |
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| 18:31.28 | intension | !hi |
| 18:31.28 | dpkg | hello, intension |
| 18:31.35 | intension | hi dpkg |
| 18:31.42 | honschu | !hello |
| 18:31.42 | dpkg | Hi, honschu! |
| 18:31.57 | intension | dpkg are u kidding me ? |
| 18:32.01 | jim | heh, dpkg got his wires crossed |
| 18:32.21 | intension | yeah dpkg is allright |
| 18:32.34 | bucky | !abuse |
| 18:32.34 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 18:32.47 | glick | nvz, the 2.4 kernel i guess |
| 18:32.51 | glick | so boot linux26? |
| 18:33.05 | glick | but i mean its not a new card by any means |
| 18:33.13 | Emc | Ethics : i thinks it's not good... i open system notification and i select one .ogg and play but noting... |
| 18:33.15 | ethics | emc turn your speakers down to non explode volumes.....turn all volumes in alsamixer to max and unmute the channels...may not do when moving sliders |
| 18:33.54 | _daniel_ | hac if you want to get kde 3.4 no matter what, and knowing its probably broken http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 ./ |
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| 18:34.03 | Emc | Ethics : How I Can UNMUTE ? |
| 18:34.03 | ethics | emc: check alsamixer doesnt have MM on channels |
| 18:34.22 | ethics | emc: i dont remember help onscreen somewhere |
| 18:34.22 | nvz | glick: no reason to keep trying the same thing. |
| 18:34.33 | intension | unnmute on alsamixer : press <space> bar |
| 18:34.45 | ethics | emc spacebar |
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| 18:34.52 | ethics | intension, cheers |
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| 18:34.58 | zenit | I'm going to compile a 2.6.x kernel to support my Orinoco wireless card. Should I bother with installing pcmcia-cs for hotplug support, or is it sufficient with the 'hotplug' package? |
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| 18:35.09 | intension | !beer ehtics too |
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| 18:35.33 | ethics | zenit, i think you need pcmcia also....hotplug needs the drivers still |
| 18:35.38 | edwin_gurde | what is the most appropiate place to ask ipv6 questions? |
| 18:35.41 | Emc | yeah he have OO and MM |
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| 18:36.07 | edwin_gurde | like: my ISP doesn't support IPv6, and I'm connecting using PPPoE, is there any chance for me to use IPv6 then |
| 18:36.11 | edwin_gurde | if so how do I configure it? |
| 18:36.14 | jim | #networking |
| 18:36.20 | zenit | ethics: oki, but the kernel has a driver for my card. But maybe it's required anyway? |
| 18:36.27 | _daniel_ | edwin_gurde, /join #ipv6 |
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| 18:36.51 | nvz | I think of my little brothers when I listen to Rage.. they are what these songs are about. Kind of kids who would "trade in your history for a VCR" |
| 18:36.56 | Emc | Ethics : Others solutions? |
| 18:37.19 | ethics | zenit, i think pcmcia_cs is the driver for the device hotplug monitors.....like usb port driver loads then device plugged in loads via hotpug |
| 18:37.20 | glick | i tried booting with linux26 and now it doesnt detect my ethernet card at all |
| 18:37.29 | WillR | how can I get php4 module to load in apache... i installed apache and php4 but it didnt seem to auto merge them.... now index page jsut tries to download.... |
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| 18:37.37 | Xuse | glick what card? |
| 18:37.40 | ethics | glick what card? |
| 18:37.46 | _daniel_ | glick, what is your network card ? are the modules loaded ? |
| 18:37.47 | glick | linux24 said it was a tulip but failed to load the module |
| 18:37.49 | ethics | whoa de ja vu |
| 18:37.52 | jim | glick: then it will do so after you load the net drivers floppy |
| 18:37.54 | Xuse | haha |
| 18:37.56 | glick | _daniel_, i guess its a tulip |
| 18:37.58 | ethics | !do kungfu |
| 18:38.01 | Emc | ethics: ?? |
| 18:38.02 | zenit | ethics: oki, interesting. I'll check it out and see what happens. Thank you for your help. |
| 18:38.19 | _daniel_ | glick make sure, lsmod look for it, get the module, and loaded with modprob |
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| 18:38.33 | ethics | emc: reboot see if any errors on boot for alsa... |
| 18:38.36 | glick | _daniel_, what do you mean lsmod loko for it |
| 18:38.37 | Lee__ | is there a document describing what the function of the system user named "backup"? |
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| 18:38.49 | _daniel_ | lists the modules |
| 18:38.50 | Emc | ok...\ |
| 18:38.55 | jim | man lsmod; try using lsmod |
| 18:38.55 | honschu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:39.05 | XTF | WillR: Did you also get libapache-mod_php? |
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| 18:39.07 | glick | _daniel_, lsmod lists loaded modules |
| 18:39.17 | _daniel_ | lspci |
| 18:39.19 | Xuse | my ethernet card wasn't detected either and someone in here kept saying "use a different distro it won't work" bullshit someone else helped me out and i got it working in one command. ;p |
| 18:39.23 | WillR | (glick): do lspci ....dos it give you the driver? |
| 18:39.53 | error403 | <NAZLI> Photo http://busecik.aLLhyper.com/photo.jpg <-- why do i keep getting these links from people in here? |
| 18:40.02 | _daniel_ | glick, lspci | grep Network |
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| 18:40.07 | jim | Xuse: generally the problem is "what kernel is used in the debian-installer" |
| 18:40.11 | Linuxgeekery | Hi! I'm just wondering, is ipw2200 supported on the debian install iso? |
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| 18:40.23 | jethro | Linuxgeekery: I don't think so. |
| 18:40.24 | Xuse | jim i had to modprobe forcedeth then it worked fine. |
| 18:40.24 | _daniel_ | Linuxgeekery, there is a debian package |
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| 18:40.40 | glick | _daniel_, lspci command not found |
| 18:40.40 | _daniel_ | Linuxgeekery, if you need it I can give it to you |
| 18:40.41 | Linuxgeekery | ok thx |
| 18:40.41 | WillR | anyone know what lines i add to httpd.conf to make php4 work? |
| 18:40.48 | jethro | Linuxgeekery: you'd need a custom iso if you want to net install using ipw2200 |
| 18:40.51 | jim | NAZLI |
| 18:40.52 | asg | WillR: install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 18:40.52 | xoz | place modules in /etc/modules |
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| 18:40.54 | ethics | xuse: yeah the problem we have is vendor IDs and such....vendors change models we find out after a million are sold and have to find out what the hell the card is and works with then wrtie the new info and then make it detect......it sucks |
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| 18:41.02 | asg | WillR: restart apache ; clear your browser cache |
| 18:41.11 | jim | oh, they got him already |
| 18:41.12 | Lee__ | WillR: you don't have to touch it. it "just works" |
| 18:41.12 | WillR | (asg): ty |
| 18:41.13 | _daniel_ | glick, really ? |
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| 18:41.27 | glick | _daniel_, yeah its at the beginning of the install |
| 18:41.27 | Xuse | ethics sounds fun. ;p |
| 18:41.28 | WillR | (glick): lspci without spaces? |
| 18:41.39 | Stormy | sorry i was on the phone |
| 18:42.09 | _daniel_ | glick do a install without network, then get network and install the rest |
| 18:42.10 | glick | WillR, yes of course |
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| 18:42.27 | ethics | xuse: it is when companies change revisions of cards write new firmware with same vendor id as the windows closed driver is now 2 cards detecting soomhow....then we cant do much till we can read the firmware hehe |
| 18:42.28 | glick | if my card lights up then it should be working right? |
| 18:42.36 | Stormy | this is a straight debian install, v3.1, I don't know a damm thing about debian, last time i used it was about 3 years ago. So I guess the question is what is the default way that debian automounts USB drives, from that what do I have to modify? |
| 18:42.38 | _daniel_ | glick, not necesarry |
| 18:42.40 | jim | glick: dunno |
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| 18:42.54 | edwin_gurde | !do kungfu |
| 18:42.56 | asg | glick: if the link light is on, it should be working. |
| 18:43.02 | ethics | glick means you can talk on a electrical level only.. |
| 18:43.04 | glick | asg, yeah the link light is on |
| 18:43.22 | asg | glick: then check the duplex of the card v. your switch/hub (ethtool, mii-diag, mii-tool) |
| 18:43.22 | glick | ethics, means the card itself isnt broken |
| 18:43.23 | Lee__ | Stormy: /etc/fstab |
| 18:43.35 | jim | !do Debby doing Dallas |
| 18:43.35 | ethics | glick or cable.. |
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| 18:43.37 | xoz | Stormy: apt-get install autofs |
| 18:43.41 | _daniel_ | glick ifconfig -a ? |
| 18:43.42 | asg | glick: also, does /sbin/ifconfig -a list an ethernet interface? |
| 18:43.44 | edwin_gurde | what kind of bot is dpkg(where can I find the debian package for it?) I'd like one too |
| 18:43.51 | asg | edwin_gurde: blootbot |
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| 18:43.56 | Lee__ | Stormy: then your desktop manager should give you an option to mount that by double clicking on it. |
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| 18:44.03 | Stormy | it auto mounts it |
| 18:44.05 | Stormy | that's the thing |
| 18:44.07 | FarrisG | Farris |
| 18:44.08 | ethics | bloodbot |
| 18:44.10 | glick | no because no ethernet card module is loaded |
| 18:44.11 | Stormy | it just doesn't give me any permissions |
| 18:44.31 | ethics | edward_, /msg dpkg what are you |
| 18:44.32 | xoz | !vfatrw |
| 18:44.32 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 18:44.36 | Lee__ | Stormy: in /etc/fstab add the word "users" in the options section |
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| 18:44.42 | jim | glick: you're looking to do a net install, yes? |
| 18:44.43 | asg | glick: no /sbin/ifconfig -a output? |
| 18:44.44 | Stormy | there is nothing in fstab |
| 18:44.44 | EdibleText | glick, what card? |
| 18:44.44 | _daniel_ | glick, find out what card do you have(yo should know this) then load the module |
| 18:44.55 | Lee__ | Stormy: and make the mount point owned by the right user |
| 18:44.57 | jim | glick, what media did you boot with? |
| 18:45.08 | glick | EdibleText, linux24 detected it as a tulip card |
| 18:45.25 | xoz | Stormy: and mount it in your home.. not in /mnt so that you have write access to the mount dir |
| 18:45.25 | _daniel_ | Stormy, none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 |
| 18:45.35 | jim | glick: does linux24 support your other hardware? |
| 18:45.40 | Stormy | thank you |
| 18:45.48 | Stormy | err |
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| 18:45.56 | jim | glick: does linux24 support enough of your other hardware so you can install? |
| 18:46.00 | _stephan_ | abend |
| 18:46.01 | glick | jim, it detects what type of card it is but for some reason fails loading the module |
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| 18:46.12 | jim | glick, what media did you boot with? |
| 18:46.17 | ethics | smc1211 10/100 etherpower II id guess |
| 18:46.17 | _daniel_ | glick, modprobe MODULE_NAME |
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| 18:46.37 | ethics | or rebadged |
| 18:46.38 | WillR | (glick): i donno if this'll help at all....meh.... insmod dc2104x ? |
| 18:46.39 | Seb | any particular reason that an external ieee1394 HD would appear 8 times in cdrecord -scanbus ? |
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| 18:46.43 | glick | jim, a debian sarge release cd |
| 18:46.51 | glick | net install |
| 18:47.17 | _daniel_ | glick find the name of the module I am telling you |
| 18:47.18 | jim | glick: you could maybe install the base from the cd |
| 18:47.21 | _daniel_ | there is no other way |
| 18:47.23 | ethics | yah digital technologies chips hehe i loved em in windows |
| 18:47.34 | glick | im about to pop in slax-frodo |
| 18:47.36 | jim | and reboot into it |
| 18:47.36 | magog | where can i get a good net install...im too lazy to get all thsoe iso's |
| 18:47.39 | glick | to see if it loads the mods correctly |
| 18:47.42 | _daniel_ | Get the module name, downloaded to a floppy/usb/IPOD :) and loaded |
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| 18:47.48 | asg | magog: same place you get all those isos |
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| 18:47.56 | jim | magog: got smoe blank floppies? |
| 18:47.58 | valdyn | Seb: possibly w/ a different lun for each |
| 18:47.58 | FarrisG | does anyone here actually have any experience with openmosix? |
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| 18:48.07 | Xuse | I wonder if anyone was crazy enough to download all those iso's |
| 18:48.11 | jim | you need a max of 4 |
| 18:48.16 | asg | Xuse: people have been doing it for days |
| 18:48.16 | Seb | valdyn: ? |
| 18:48.21 | magog | jim, yea but the laptop i wanna put it on doesent have a floppy drive |
| 18:48.32 | Seb | valdyn: well it shows as 2,0,0 2,1,0 2,2,0 ... 2,7,0 |
| 18:48.36 | xoz | FarrisG: yes? |
| 18:48.43 | Seb | valdyn: but I have only one of those drives :) |
| 18:48.59 | jim | so you're stuck with booting from cd I guess... no other OS on the laptop? |
| 18:49.02 | asg | FarrisG: there are 21 people in #openmosix |
| 18:49.13 | ethics | glick what was lspci saying the card was? |
| 18:49.25 | glick | ethics, lspci is not installed yet |
| 18:49.26 | _daniel_ | ethics, he has no lspci |
| 18:49.37 | magog | jim, i got ubuntu on there, but it bugs bad, and im not to sure why |
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| 18:49.43 | jim | he might have it in the installer |
| 18:49.53 | valdyn | Seb: looks like a firewire oddity then. |
| 18:49.53 | Seb | jim: cat /proc/pci ? |
| 18:49.56 | Xuse | uck ubuntu, it annoys me everytime it's mentioned. |
| 18:49.57 | ethics | theres another way...cat/proc/pci/something i think |
| 18:49.58 | asg | glick: did you run lspci as root? |
| 18:49.59 | Seb | valdyn: k |
| 18:50.00 | Draconicus | Heya. I'm trying to install a new driver for a webcam (they finally got source for a Creative NX Pro driver!) from source via makefile. The makefile argues that /lib/modules/(kernel)/build does not exist. This is an indication of what, exactly? |
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| 18:50.08 | jim | bad bugs but boomer bases bricks brightly blue. |
| 18:50.16 | glick | asg, there are no accounts on the machine yet |
| 18:50.19 | EdibleText | booya! |
| 18:50.19 | ethics | jim a way to do lspci but via proc |
| 18:50.20 | valdyn | Seb: i dont use it. the 2nd number isnt the lun anyway, so its not what i meant at first. |
| 18:50.21 | glick | this is during install |
| 18:50.22 | philuk86 | Xuse: Whys that? |
| 18:50.26 | glick | network detection |
| 18:50.27 | Seb | valdyn: k |
| 18:50.31 | asg | glick: oh, my mistake. Disregard. |
| 18:50.46 | glick | lets see what slax-frodo has to say about this |
| 18:50.58 | ethics | asg it the install ther is only root |
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| 18:51.11 | Seb | valdyn: what is the second field called then ? |
| 18:51.16 | Seb | valdyn: so Icna ask google more precisely |
| 18:51.19 | asg | Draconicus: generally that there is not symlink from /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build to /usr/src/<your kernel sources> |
| 18:51.26 | ethics | asg ah nm me lagging i think |
| 18:51.28 | asg | ethics: yes, I thought he had finished the install. |
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| 18:51.31 | p30n | hello |
| 18:51.43 | Draconicus | asg: AH. Thank you. :) |
| 18:51.47 | ethics | asg or 5 am ... |
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| 18:51.48 | asg | s/t s/t a s/ |
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| 18:51.51 | valdyn | Seb: first is bus, 3rd lun, 2nd uh, device id ? i dont know |
| 18:51.57 | p30n | question: how do i check if my usb_hdd is working correctly or know which device it is in /dev/ ? |
| 18:51.58 | asg | ethics: or just about to go to the pub |
| 18:52.01 | Xuse | philuk86 lot's of reasons. I don't want to start anything though ;p |
| 18:52.03 | p30n | so i can mount it |
| 18:52.04 | Seb | valdyn: k |
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| 18:52.20 | valdyn | Seb: i wouldnt worry about it before there's real errors anyway. |
| 18:52.29 | philuk86 | Xuse: any in particular? |
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| 18:52.53 | Seb | valdyn: well LVM complains it sees duplicate PVs :\ |
| 18:52.55 | ethics | glick how new is the card? brand new? |
| 18:52.55 | valdyn | haha, my cdrecord: Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1'., what blasphemy ;) |
| 18:53.02 | ethics | and is it gigabit maybee? |
| 18:53.09 | asg | valdyn: hah |
| 18:53.15 | Seb | valdyn: I wouldn't want to trash my data if it's trying ot use both /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 etc at the same time |
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| 18:53.29 | Seb | valdyn: thinking baout it, having several devices point to the same physical device *is* bad |
| 18:53.50 | xoz | race condition |
| 18:53.58 | jim | Seb: so get rid of those and pvscan might not complain :) |
| 18:54.03 | Xuse | I honestly feel as if it, well it might be "stealing" debians userbase. I also don't like the distro or the community's attitude. I do not like the fact it attracts more noobs aswell. I do consider them a bad thing. ;p |
| 18:54.13 | Seb | jim: how am I supposed to do that ? |
| 18:54.16 | glick | lspci says my ethernet controller is macronix |
| 18:54.23 | valdyn | Seb: cat /proc/scsi/scsi. Cdrecord may just be stupid, or firewire may be. i dont know in what shape the firewire support in linux is.. |
| 18:54.54 | jim | Seb: for every complaint pvscan makes, locate and remove all but one device file |
| 18:55.01 | Seb | valdyn: firewire is, otherwise vgscan would scan /dev/sd[a-g] if they did not exist |
| 18:55.08 | Seb | jim: well, that's a one-time solution |
| 18:55.16 | Seb | jim: i'ma have to d othat each time I plug in this HD ? |
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| 18:55.24 | ethics | ubuntu will get its whack as soon as they start missing details....they do it now but not enough people are crying about it because the kernel patches for lartops and sound etc is so good |
| 18:55.38 | rayen | simple question: how do I install a .deb package? :) |
| 18:55.40 | jim | find out why you're getting dups in the first place |
| 18:55.44 | asg | rayen: dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 18:55.47 | SeBaW | Jim: by running tg3 i still haven't solved the problem, my guess is i need to install some other packades cause when running lspci i get model name only for PCI BRIDGE and nothing else..... |
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| 18:56.02 | rayen | asg, danke |
| 18:56.05 | asg | rayen: easier to 'apt-get install <pkg>' though since that will take care of dependancies |
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| 18:56.17 | Seb | jim: that's what I'm tyring to do here :) |
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| 18:56.30 | asg | rayen: also, if the .deb in question was picked up from a non-debian source, it isn't guaranteed to work at all. YMMV. |
| 18:56.31 | ethics | SeBaW, lspci -v look harder for a network card |
| 18:56.32 | Ungy | rayen unless you downloaded the deb from an external source |
| 18:56.32 | SeBaW | jim: i get unknown device for both eth adapters...... |
| 18:56.39 | jim | SeBaW: after you reboot, do you get the paragraph when you ifconfig eth0 WITHOUT doing any modprobing? (i.e., is the module loaded at boot now?) |
| 18:56.44 | valdyn | !tg3 |
| 18:56.47 | greg_work | whats the best way to copy a named.master file between systems? |
| 18:56.52 | greg_work | (automatically) |
| 18:56.53 | toptnc | hi all |
| 18:56.54 | rayen | ok |
| 18:56.57 | Ungy | asg the skype deb package works very well |
| 18:56.59 | p30n | question: how do i check if my usb_hdd is working correctly or know which device it is in /dev/ ? |
| 18:57.08 | p30n | i need to mount it |
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| 18:57.12 | toptnc | anyone knows a fast way to get opengl 1.3 working on debian? |
| 18:57.13 | ethics | tg3 is broadcom gigavit network cards.... |
| 18:57.14 | valdyn | p30n: dmesg |
| 18:57.20 | WillR | (greg_work): set up a no password req'd ssh.. then set a cron to do an scp |
| 18:57.21 | SeBaW | jim: i still haven't figure out how to load tg3 at startup..... |
| 18:57.23 | jim | hmm, gotta go; noon, food, practice, lesson |
| 18:57.34 | toptnc | i haven't nvidia or fglrx compatible card |
| 18:57.35 | asg | Ungy: hence the YMMV. Often those questions come up when someone has grabbed some deb from iditotix and tried to install it on a pure system. |
| 18:57.47 | jim | ok, |
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| 18:57.56 | asg | !pubtime |
| 18:57.56 | dpkg | hmm... pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:57.57 | jim | man 5 interfaces |
| 18:58.15 | greg_work | WillR: how does it authenticate? (ie, this machine provides public-facing ssh .. this has to be for only the internal system) |
| 18:58.19 | jim | and just read up for awhile (that's for the steps after getting the module to load) |
| 18:58.20 | Ungy | asg ahh never an into that problem only have ever used two .debs that are not installed from apt |
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| 18:58.25 | MobyTurbo | I notice ssh-agent is loading my window manager, is that a sign of an unintended remote user or its normal? |
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| 18:58.30 | ethics | SeBaW, echo tg3 > /etc/modules |
| 18:58.39 | jim | MobyTurbo: normal |
| 18:58.47 | valdyn | ethics: *some* tg3 not working w/ the sarge installer kernel is a known problem, maybe google will know the fix |
| 18:58.49 | ethics | jim is ok i got him |
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| 18:58.56 | MobyTurbo | jim: thanks |
| 18:59.07 | ethics | valdyn: new firmware methinks |
| 18:59.07 | jim | ethics: good enuf |
| 18:59.08 | WillR | (greg_work): you can set it up so one system can ssh to another system without requiring a passworrd.... i dont recall how to do it at this point.... i have a few of them set up like that |
| 18:59.11 | SeBaW | ethics: what then ? |
| 18:59.11 | Ungy | my router at home died I have to go look for a new router |
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| 18:59.22 | jim | ethics we know the module will load upon modprobe |
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| 18:59.38 | ethics | sebwah that echo command makes it load on boot |
| 18:59.47 | jesperj | What is the best way to see what "isofile" in /etc/gtk/ I am using? going to change the system gtk font size |
| 18:59.54 | WillR | (greg_work): if you do that way... from other places would still require an ssh password... |
| 18:59.57 | valdyn | ethics: so.. easiest would be to use a supported nic for installation and use tg3 after getting a newer kernel. |
| 19:00.01 | SeBaW | ethics: so if i reboot is should load ? |
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| 19:00.04 | BK | when i insert a music cd (wav files) i can't see any files on the cdrom, when it's a data cd, i can (and the drive IS mounted) |
| 19:00.29 | ethics | valdyn, you on tg3 also? |
| 19:00.30 | EdibleText | BK, you need to rip it... cdparinoia -B |
| 19:00.31 | Ungy | BK all audioo disks or you only have tried one? |
| 19:00.37 | jim | ethics: warning, that will destroy his /etc/modules before writing the tg3 |
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| 19:00.46 | p30n | valdyn: i didnt get the nfo from there |
| 19:00.47 | valdyn | ethics: no, but i read about this problem on this channel. |
| 19:00.48 | EdibleText | BK, you need to rip it... cdparanoia -B |
| 19:00.49 | greg_work | WillR: ok, thanks. i'll look into it |
| 19:00.50 | ethics | Seb, you can do if you wnat top check or can probe it now manually |
| 19:00.54 | BK | Ungy all of them |
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| 19:01.06 | Ungy | ok do what EdibleText says |
| 19:01.06 | Seb | ethics: ? |
| 19:01.16 | BK | EdibleText so what is the "cd player" for ? |
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| 19:01.29 | Ungy | BK to read cd's |
| 19:01.32 | EdibleText | BK, to 'play cd's |
| 19:01.34 | ethics | BK wav or cdda |
| 19:01.34 | Ungy | Not to play music |
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| 19:01.38 | SeBaW | ethics: i am rebooting the system to see what happens |
| 19:01.51 | WillR | (greg_work): np. i think its pretty simple to set up. but not sure how exactly... i know theres an explanation in a book called "bsd hacks" .. im sure there is somethign online tho.. |
| 19:01.55 | Draconicus | Um... I'm getting "link: cannot create link `/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/build' to `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8': Operation not permitted." Am I using the wrong command? |
| 19:01.56 | ethics | seb: mistab seb sebwah |
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| 19:02.03 | Seb | ethics: roger |
| 19:02.09 | BK | oh, bow i get it. didn't think of it that way, thank you :) |
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| 19:02.13 | Seb | did non-US move fro mthe archive ? |
| 19:02.18 | ethics | !beer seb |
| 19:02.20 | valdyn | Draconicus: as root? |
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| 19:02.23 | Draconicus | Yes. |
| 19:02.24 | jethro | !nonus Seb |
| 19:02.25 | dpkg | Hey, Seb, the topic says non-us doesn't exist anymore. Wheee! Ask me about 'non-us'. |
| 19:02.26 | Seb | i think i read something about it, but can't recall where |
| 19:02.34 | Seb | and today apt-get fails to fetch from non-uS |
| 19:02.39 | valdyn | Draconicus: df |
| 19:02.41 | Seb | ethics: can I have a Guinness ? |
| 19:02.42 | jethro | !topicsmite Seb |
| 19:02.43 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Seb. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:02.43 | SuNeViL | is it posible to install sid with netinstall cd? |
| 19:02.44 | sameer | is their anyone using a conexant based internal mdoem |
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| 19:02.50 | EdibleText | !beer seb |
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| 19:02.56 | valdyn | !connexant |
| 19:03.06 | justin | Draconicus: how is someone supposed to know if you are running the wrong command if you didn't say which command you are running? |
| 19:03.07 | Seb | jethro: believe me if you want, i did that before asking :D |
| 19:03.15 | greg_work | WillR: ah, i found it, using ssh keys. sys1: "ssh-keygen -t rsa" , then copy ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on sys2. now sys1 can ssh to sys2, no password |
| 19:03.16 | Seb | jethro: and missed the last item |
| 19:03.20 | jethro | Seb: heh |
| 19:03.20 | Seb | jethro: thx for the nudge |
| 19:03.23 | Draconicus | justin: The name of the command is in the beginning of the error message. |
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| 19:03.46 | WillR | (greg_work): perfect.. you know how to use scp? |
| 19:03.51 | Draconicus | valdyn: ...Eh? Is that a command or an acronym? |
| 19:03.51 | greg_work | yep |
| 19:04.01 | WillR | (greg_work): so ur all set |
| 19:04.06 | valdyn | Draconicus: a command, is your disk full? |
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| 19:04.27 | ethics | draconis: go cat the file called build i bet you its a broken symlonk |
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| 19:04.51 | SeBaW | ethics: i guess my drivers for eth adapter don't load at startup |
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| 19:05.05 | justin | Draconicus: use ln to make a symlink, not link to make a hardlink |
| 19:05.05 | jasoncohen | anyone get dual-head working on a matrox card? i can only seem to get the first card working even though it's setup for 2 monitors in XF86Config-4 |
| 19:05.06 | Draconicus | valdyn: No. |
| 19:05.10 | SeBaW | ethics: modules do not show it |
| 19:05.16 | Draconicus | justin: Ohh.. Thank you. |
| 19:05.24 | ethics | SeBaW, in lsmod it not listed? tg3? |
| 19:05.27 | jesperj | After I have decided to switch to GDM rather than to start X with "startx", the gtk fonts are much smaller. How can I fix this? |
| 19:05.37 | xoz | SeBaW: /etc/modules |
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| 19:05.47 | Draconicus | "ln: `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8': hard link not allowed for directory" <-- What the hell? |
| 19:05.58 | ethics | xoz yeah i gave him an echo command to use |
| 19:06.00 | valdyn | Draconicus: ln -s |
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| 19:06.03 | Draconicus | Ah. |
| 19:06.03 | jim | Draconicus: man ln |
| 19:06.04 | jesperj | I could fix it in userspace by changing my .gtkrc but I want it systemwide |
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| 19:06.20 | Assid | hrmm.. is it possible to use jigdo on windows to download the dvd image? |
| 19:06.24 | jim | rather than ask here, use man FIRST |
| 19:06.25 | WillR | (Draconicus): are you doing your first kernel upgrade? |
| 19:06.28 | xoz | Draconicus: ln -s |
| 19:06.33 | valdyn | Draconicus: hardlinked directories are forbidden for good reasons |
| 19:06.35 | SeBaW | ethics: just a mom |
| 19:06.39 | ethics | draconis: kernel source or kernel headers? |
| 19:06.42 | Assid | first i read i need ntfs.. then i read its not possible |
| 19:06.46 | SeBaW | ethics: gonna boot again... |
| 19:06.48 | jim | just a dad? |
| 19:06.49 | Draconicus | valdyn: I can imagine why. |
| 19:06.51 | Assid | so im just curius.. is it? |
| 19:07.02 | Draconicus | WillR: No. I'm just making said link so a makefile knows where to go. |
| 19:07.06 | EdibleText | daddy uncle? |
| 19:07.28 | webuadata | How do you install RPMs? |
| 19:07.32 | valdyn | Draconicus: the necessity for you to *create* that link already implies that something is broken |
| 19:07.47 | EdibleText | webuadata, alien will rpm->deb |
| 19:07.51 | valdyn | Draconicus: if you installed the proper debian packages then this link is there and working |
| 19:07.52 | jim | also, hard links can only refer to files on the same partition they're on |
| 19:08.00 | webuadata | EdibleText: What? |
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| 19:08.06 | Seb | can anyone recommend a guide to make-kpkg ?I've been running debian precompiled images for a while, but lately they've become too unstable on my HW (no DMA since 2.6.10 for instance), so Iwan to compile it myself... |
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| 19:08.13 | ethics | jim: i think one of the kernel header/image files for i386/686 has a broken symlink called build in it...it points ot /home/a developers name i think |
| 19:08.15 | SeBaW | ethics: no TG3 in lsmod paragraph |
| 19:08.15 | EdibleText | < webuadata> How do you install RPMs? < EdibleText> webuadata, alien will rpm->deb |
| 19:08.18 | webuadata | is alien a program |
| 19:08.19 | jim | Seb: man make-kpkg |
| 19:08.24 | EdibleText | !alien |
| 19:08.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 19:08.30 | Draconicus | valdyn: I didn't, apparently. Also, this make file is now spitting out line after line of warnings and errors. |
| 19:08.32 | jim | (but you KNEW that was coming :P) |
| 19:08.43 | webuadata | EdibleText, Do you have AIM? |
| 19:08.43 | ethics | SeBaW, you have a network driver now to set up the network card |
| 19:08.50 | glick | does anyone have any idea how to get my macronix card supported in linux? |
| 19:08.51 | EdibleText | webuadata, god no |
| 19:08.53 | xoz | Seb, /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
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| 19:09.04 | ethics | SeBaW, you using a wm? kde gnome etc? |
| 19:09.06 | jim | glick: write a driver? |
| 19:09.11 | valdyn | Draconicus: now, if - what seems to be the case - you want to compile a module you run 'apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' |
| 19:09.15 | Draconicus | Heh. It essentially did nothing... |
| 19:09.27 | glick | jim, if it hasnt been done so already i imagine its closed |
| 19:09.29 | SeBaW | ethics: i am running AUDITOR distro |
| 19:09.31 | ethics | glick need the chipset off the card |
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| 19:09.37 | xoz | Seb, such as /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/Readme.gz |
| 19:09.37 | valdyn | Draconicus: but prior to that you may have to upgrade your kernel to one still supported by debian |
| 19:09.44 | Seb | xoz: thx a lot |
| 19:09.46 | ethics | micronix will prolly be rebadged something elses |
| 19:09.58 | Draconicus | valdyn: Yeah... the package isn't there. |
| 19:09.58 | inimicus | hi |
| 19:10.02 | dfinn | anybody on here having trouble with sound and 2.6.11-1-686-smp. I can play mp3s using mpg123 or rhythmbox but mplayer doesn't play sound with videos and gaim sounds aren't working. |
| 19:10.17 | Seb | jim: notice how xoz's answer is more helpful ? I know how to 'man things', and in this case I asked for a *guide* |
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| 19:10.25 | xoz | Seb: and you may like module-assistant |
| 19:10.26 | Draconicus | So... I've only upgraded once, and that time I was just blindly copying commands that were thrown at me. |
| 19:10.27 | valdyn | Draconicus: so install a debian kernel-image, reboot, tell us any more problems if they arise |
| 19:10.31 | EdibleText | webuadata, keep it in channel please. |
| 19:10.37 | Seb | xoz: is that a package ? |
| 19:10.38 | EdibleText | webuadata, apt-get install alien |
| 19:10.39 | Draconicus | Hmm. |
| 19:10.42 | webuadata | ok |
| 19:10.44 | Draconicus | valdyn: Alrighty... |
| 19:10.47 | ethics | SeBaW, no idea what that is but you need to do a ifconfig command...i normally use gui as i am slack.... |
| 19:10.55 | webuadata | now this will do the installing of debs and rpms? |
| 19:10.57 | valdyn | Draconicus: its -2 now where you had a -1 |
| 19:11.00 | xoz | Seb: apt-cache show module-assistant |
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| 19:11.06 | Seb | xoz: cool |
| 19:11.13 | ethics | can someone give SeBaW a hadnd doing his ifconfig...his driver is loaded now but i use gui hehe |
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| 19:11.26 | XTF | Hi. Why does the installer fail to boot if I've got a HDD on a HPT366 controller? |
| 19:11.33 | SeBaW | ethics: it only shows report for lo |
| 19:11.33 | valdyn | webuadata: installing rpms ( even w/ alien ) is usually a bad idea. |
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| 19:11.39 | inimicus | i loaded 7 cd debian down now i burned the iso images on cds but i doesnt boot why |
| 19:11.43 | Draconicus | valdyn: Personal respect value? |
| 19:11.44 | xoz | Seb: man interfaces |
| 19:11.46 | Ungy | seBaw man ifconfig |
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| 19:11.50 | gpm | /etc/init.d/networking start ? |
| 19:11.51 | webuadata | Why? |
| 19:11.56 | Seb | xoz: that I know :D |
| 19:11.58 | ethics | sebwah yeah you need to tell it to make eth0 using the tg3 driver.... |
| 19:12.01 | valdyn | Draconicus: err? |
| 19:12.06 | webuadata | How do you suggest installing programs then. |
| 19:12.08 | inimicus | need help plz |
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| 19:12.14 | Ungy | SeBaw or man interfaces like xoz offered |
| 19:12.15 | Draconicus | valdyn: -2 where once was -1? |
| 19:12.16 | webuadata | I just started using linux. |
| 19:12.17 | Seb | SeBaW: considered WaBeS ? |
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| 19:12.24 | Seb | !nickometer SeBaW |
| 19:12.24 | dpkg | 'SeBaW' is 98.410% lame, seb |
| 19:12.26 | xoz | for SeBaW... sorry Seb ...this tab completion |
| 19:12.28 | EdibleText | valdyn, sometimes its the only option.. |
| 19:12.30 | Seb | is what Ithough |
| 19:12.35 | Seb | SeBaW: see, you need to change that |
| 19:12.37 | valdyn | Draconicus: outdated kernel image: kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686, supported kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 19:12.39 | SeBaW | ethics:if i do ifup eth0 i get "ignoring unknow interface eth0=eth0 |
| 19:12.43 | ethics | seb <> bes |
| 19:12.52 | Draconicus | valdyn: Oh. Silly me. :P |
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| 19:13.03 | Draconicus | I shall return. |
| 19:13.30 | webuadata | How do i use alien? |
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| 19:13.40 | tcsetattr | `groff -Tascii ... | less' used to show bold correctly, now it's showing terminal escape codes instead |
| 19:13.41 | ethics | sebwyeah you need to make the sttings fot it to bring up.......man interfaces and learn how to make one 8) |
| 19:13.45 | valdyn | webuadata: 'man alien' |
| 19:13.50 | EdibleText | webuadata, if you just started.. what makes you think you need to install an RPM? |
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| 19:14.11 | webuadata | I wanna use limewire, AIM. And those packages are RPM. But i don't know how to install. |
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| 19:14.13 | Seb | inimicus: why are you /msg'ing me ? |
| 19:14.22 | SeBaW | ethics: lol i am behing a router that has DHCP enabled so my guess is i don't need to put in IP and net mask |
| 19:14.25 | xoz | webuadata: use gaim |
| 19:14.27 | EdibleText | webuadata, 99% of the time, the app you need is already packaged as deb. |
| 19:14.28 | ethics | SeBaW, man interfaces if you offer up something close im sure someone will corrct you 8)...try to learn it 8) |
| 19:14.35 | Ungy | webuadata, AIM? why no tuse gaim |
| 19:14.36 | webuadata | I use gaim. |
| 19:14.42 | webuadata | But, what about limewire? |
| 19:14.45 | xoz | webuadata: limewire has debian package... |
| 19:14.52 | webuadata | Yes but how do i install debian. |
| 19:14.54 | jesperj | when I login to KDE and the splashimage is shown, there is a random ugly wallpaper set while KDE is loaded, then MY dekstop wallpaper takes over. How can i remove this annoying feature? |
| 19:14.59 | EdibleText | !limewire |
| 19:14.59 | dpkg | i guess limewire is the coolest graphical gnutella client for both windows and linux. see http://www.limewire.com! GPL! apt-get install limewire. |
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| 19:15.07 | Ungy | webudata apt-cache search programyourlookingfor |
| 19:15.18 | xoz | webuadata: are you that damned? read the howto and docs... it's there |
| 19:15.19 | ethics | SeBaW, nope you need to get it to use dhclient or something i think it is.....im static ip i dont know hehe |
| 19:15.25 | inimicus | WHY MY DEBIAN CD DOESNT START |
| 19:15.30 | resiak | !annoy inimicus |
| 19:15.35 | valdyn | !confuse inimicus |
| 19:15.35 | dpkg | Yes, where was my ferret tomorrow, inimicus? wellies of the democracy of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 19:15.40 | resiak | inimicus: How did you burn it? |
| 19:15.41 | EdibleText | inimicus, cuz yer CAPSLOCK is on |
| 19:15.46 | streuner | !irritate inimicus |
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| 19:15.47 | dpkg | inimicus: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh quake3 lol |
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| 19:15.53 | crylyx | hi, does somebody have teamspeak working on linux ? |
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| 19:16.09 | Seb | crylyx: thou shal not survey, but state your problems |
| 19:16.12 | Ungy | streuner how do I run the quake3 |
| 19:16.13 | inimicus | i only want to why my debian doesnt boot |
| 19:16.13 | Seb | shalt |
| 19:16.28 | streuner | Ungy: no idea, never played it... |
| 19:16.32 | ethics | ungy xp hehe |
| 19:16.33 | Seb | inimicus: but you don't intend to describe what you did any further, right ? |
| 19:16.35 | EdibleText | Ungy, teh quake TEH i say! |
| 19:16.39 | justin | inimicus: what is your debian? |
| 19:16.40 | Xuse | inimicus maybe you burned the cd's wrong. |
| 19:16.40 | valdyn | inimicus: cool, ill tell you once you tell me why my car doesnt drive. |
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| 19:16.57 | Ungy | ethics I run it off 2000 only reason I still use windows for a workstation |
| 19:16.58 | streuner | inimicus: did you verify the iso? |
| 19:17.17 | crylyx | Seb: im trying to use teamspeak2 client. but i have no sound working in that app. when connected to a server i am muted. having OSS and ALSA on my machine. everything else requiring sound works fine. any ideas? |
| 19:17.18 | Ungy | ethics well that and warcraft 3 but I know I can run that on Linux |
| 19:17.24 | justin | Ungy: you run quake3 in linux exactly the same way you run it in windows |
| 19:17.30 | webuadata | Heh. |
| 19:17.40 | Seb | crylyx: can you record using say audacity ? |
| 19:17.51 | Seb | crylyx: also, you have either oss or alsa running now, not both of them |
| 19:17.53 | xoz | crylyx: fire-up aumix and make sure the vol are not muted |
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| 19:18.01 | EdibleText | inimicus, mount it (look at it in windows) if you see blahblah.iso as the only file its wasnt burnt right.. |
| 19:18.06 | Xuse | buy a console for gaming, it saves a lot of the pain. |
| 19:18.13 | Ungy | justin really hmm maybe it's getting my freaking video card to use the hardware acceleration that is the problem |
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| 19:18.14 | xoz | crylyx: and choose alsa or oss but not both |
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| 19:18.21 | stupidkid | hey |
| 19:18.25 | stupidkid | i got a problem |
| 19:18.26 | jim | oss is deprecated |
| 19:18.34 | jesperj | when I login to KDE and the splashimage is shown, there is a random ugly wallpaper set while KDE is loaded, then MY dekstop wallpaper takes over. How can i remove this annoying feature? |
| 19:18.37 | stupidkid | pypanel doesn't always start from my .xinitrc, can you help me? |
| 19:18.37 | jim | so you should be moving toward alsa |
| 19:18.47 | crylyx | Seb: never tried audacity, the problem is not only related to the microphone but also to the speakers |
| 19:19.02 | valdyn | jesperj: set your wallpaper in the kde control center |
| 19:19.02 | Ungy | stupidkid, thanks we can tell by the name how about you post your question rather then tellign us you have a problem which really doesn't do any good |
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| 19:19.21 | stupidkid | haha |
| 19:19.37 | ethics | jesperj, prolly change kdm/gdm/xdm's settings |
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| 19:19.40 | stupidkid | Ungy, i posted my question |
| 19:19.45 | webuadata | How do i use alien. |
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| 19:19.47 | resiak | inimicus: Did you extract the .iso with WinRAR or similar? |
| 19:19.49 | jim | !smart questions |
| 19:19.50 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 19:19.50 | stupidkid | pypanel doesn't always start from my .xinitrc |
| 19:19.53 | mark_ | How to copy files using Nautilus? |
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| 19:19.56 | WillR | (webuadata): dont? |
| 19:19.58 | valdyn | webuadata: why do you still need alien? |
| 19:19.58 | resiak | mark_: Drag and drop? |
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| 19:20.06 | resiak | webuadata: You shouldn't use it, but man alien. |
| 19:20.06 | webuadata | Becuase i need linux grr. |
| 19:20.07 | mark_ | Wont that move the files? |
| 19:20.12 | stupidkid | you people dont use pypanel? |
| 19:20.12 | jesperj | valdyn, it is set. |
| 19:20.12 | resiak | mark_: Read its help? |
| 19:20.17 | webuadata | is Alien a GUI program? |
| 19:20.21 | mark_ | Give me a break |
| 19:20.22 | delire | the FUD sure is flying today. does this 30% breakage estimate hold any water? |
| 19:20.24 | EdibleText | !pal webuadata |
| 19:20.24 | webuadata | Or is it like dpkg. |
| 19:20.24 | delire | <-- no issues |
| 19:20.25 | valdyn | mark_: rightclick on the file(s) and select 'copy' |
| 19:20.26 | WillR | (webuadata): what are you trying to install? |
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| 19:20.28 | resiak | webuadata: No. Why, what, where does alien come into anything? |
| 19:20.33 | Ungy | !pypanel |
| 19:20.34 | jesperj | ethics, If so there is a setting of a random wallpaper I have not seen. will try and come back if i can not find it |
| 19:20.35 | jesperj | ty |
| 19:20.36 | webuadata | Limewire. |
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| 19:20.46 | mark_ | I want to copy folder and all contents. |
| 19:20.48 | EdibleText | webuadata, apt-get install limewire |
| 19:20.50 | WillR | is there a linux build for limewire? |
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| 19:20.54 | valdyn | webuadata: run 'apt-get install limeware' for fucks sake |
| 19:20.58 | WillR | lol |
| 19:20.59 | WillR | there you go |
| 19:20.59 | stupidkid | haha |
| 19:20.59 | valdyn | webuadata: run 'apt-get install limewire' for fucks sake |
| 19:21.02 | stupidkid | kekeke |
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| 19:21.05 | resiak | !info limewire |
| 19:21.08 | EdibleText | ffs! |
| 19:21.08 | webuadata | I tried that. |
| 19:21.11 | EdibleText | !ffs! |
| 19:21.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
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| 19:21.13 | resiak | !+info limewire |
| 19:21.14 | dpkg | Package 'limewire' does not exist. |
| 19:21.15 | resiak | \o/ |
| 19:21.17 | jasoncohen | doesn't dpkg-reconfgure xserver-xfree86 write a new /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 filre? |
| 19:21.19 | valdyn | ops |
| 19:21.19 | ethics | jesper ther is a rotating option in some of them...im gdm and havent changed it much but i looked once...once set it should stay |
| 19:21.19 | jasoncohen | *file |
| 19:21.22 | resiak | webuadata: Just download the tarball. |
| 19:21.22 | webuadata | See. |
| 19:21.24 | resiak | !xmd5 |
| 19:21.24 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 19:21.28 | deadcat | brosio: dont /msg me. |
| 19:21.35 | webuadata | what is a tarball god. |
| 19:21.40 | bucky | webuadata, don't use the rpm.. use the tar.gz file |
| 19:21.49 | dfinn | what would cause me to be able to play mp3s just fine but to not get any sound from videos (tried both mplayer and xine) and gaim? |
| 19:21.56 | bucky | webuadata, and you'll need java |
| 19:22.00 | jim | the god that determines where dead tarballs go? |
| 19:22.13 | bucky | webuadata, which version of debian are you using? |
| 19:22.18 | xoz | !limewire |
| 19:22.18 | dpkg | it has been said that limewire is the coolest graphical gnutella client for both windows and linux. see http://www.limewire.com! GPL! apt-get install limewire. |
| 19:22.18 | crylyx | xoz: i had some problems with alsa, kernel config says that its building the 'unavailable' driver for my sound chipset (intel 810. any ideas what is wrong? |
| 19:22.22 | justin | not using limewire altogether would be an even better idea |
| 19:22.24 | mark_ | Drag and drop copied the files |
| 19:22.28 | mark_ | What do you know? |
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| 19:22.29 | resiak | !limewire =~ s/apt-get install limewire// |
| 19:22.29 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 19:22.31 | jim | webuadata, man tar ; man gzip |
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| 19:22.41 | resiak | mark_: Amazing. They made the filemanager do ... what you want. :) |
| 19:22.41 | tcsetattr | groff insists on putting VT100 control codes in its ASCII output, even if TERM=dumb or TERM=wyse50! |
| 19:22.49 | valdyn | webuadata: http://www.ludos.org/portal/node/18 |
| 19:22.50 | nvz | well for the 2nd time this week I found a $5 just laying on the ground |
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| 19:22.57 | god | webuadata: I don't know what a tarball is. |
| 19:23.01 | xoz | gnutella-gtk works like limewire |
| 19:23.07 | mark_ | OK so why are people still paying Microsoft? |
| 19:23.09 | jim | tcsetattr: is TERM set to vt100? |
| 19:23.10 | nvz | I guess my nutty aunt was right.. if you pray, money will fall out of the sky |
| 19:23.10 | deadcat | nvz: lucky bastard (= |
| 19:23.11 | Ungy | nvs where you live? |
| 19:23.17 | justin | xoz: gtk-gnutella |
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| 19:23.24 | ethics | crylyx, unsuported intel8x0? |
| 19:23.26 | jim | god: man tar |
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| 19:23.38 | xoz | gtk-gnutella |
| 19:23.38 | xoz | without needing java |
| 19:23.39 | xoz | crylyx: be more specific |
| 19:23.47 | delire | ethics supported |
| 19:23.49 | crylyx | xoz: hold on please |
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| 19:24.02 | god | jim: Damn, I know I shouldn't have traded my omniescence for crack. |
| 19:24.07 | mark_ | A tarball is a file that has a bunch of files crammed into the one file |
| 19:24.19 | delire | god: the pimps, they get the best |
| 19:24.24 | ethics | delire, yeah that why im querying....no new 8x0s around all HDA |
| 19:24.26 | nvz | I got so much faith, I dont need to pray, it just rains money and good fortune around me |
| 19:24.27 | tcsetattr | jim, I tried TERM=dumb, TERM=wyse50... I actually am trying to pipe it into less, like I used to do |
| 19:24.35 | mark_ | tar xf foo.tar will untar the file |
| 19:24.40 | god | mark_: FFS, I was joking. I'm God. I know what a tarball is. |
| 19:24.40 | tcsetattr | so it shouldn't be outputting ANY terminal control codes |
| 19:24.43 | god | mark_: :) |
| 19:24.47 | honschu | crylyx: I have a i915 which is in the end working great. |
| 19:24.53 | delire | ethics: right, 'supported' here |
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| 19:24.59 | Virtual | I cannot listen to music in xmms, it says that to check that my sound card is configured or I have the correct plugin selected or no other program is blocking the soundcard |
| 19:24.59 | deadcat | god: your nick is god. moron. you are not. |
| 19:25.01 | Virtual | any ideas? |
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| 19:25.14 | deadcat | Virtual: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 19:25.16 | jesperj | it seems somthing is setting a random wallpaper for me |
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| 19:25.17 | Ungy | does crontab work on local times or does it work of UTC? |
| 19:25.17 | ethics | Virtual, you running alsa? |
| 19:25.19 | jim | !any ideas |
| 19:25.19 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of rabid oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 19:25.20 | jesperj | any idea what that is? |
| 19:25.22 | valdyn | Virtual: does sound work anywhere else? where? |
| 19:25.30 | resiak | deadcat: Sorry, I guess it wasn't a very tasteful joke. |
| 19:25.31 | nvz | ...however I cant find my shoes |
| 19:25.34 | nvz | imagine that shit |
| 19:25.36 | jesperj | when I login from gdm to kde, a wallpaper is shown before the splash screen |
| 19:25.39 | EdibleText | dpkg, thats good |
| 19:25.48 | jesperj | it doesnt seem to be a setting in kde nor gdm |
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| 19:26.01 | jesperj | it could be but then I am missing somehing as I can not find it |
| 19:26.02 | nvz | damn i smell good.. its a good thing I took a shower.. cause I probably smelled like shit |
| 19:26.10 | error403 | Is it recommended to add non-free and contrib to the apt source entries? |
| 19:26.15 | delire | jesperj examine ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession |
| 19:26.19 | ethics | jesperj, try the doco for the dm.... |
| 19:26.20 | Ungy | nvz you smell yourself? |
| 19:26.25 | deadcat | resiak: that wasnt a joke. hes a moron. if he think just because his nick is god. hes really god. |
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| 19:26.36 | jim | error403: if you have to... but maybe you don't have to |
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| 19:26.52 | delire | deadcat perhaps it's a 'joke'? |
| 19:26.52 | ethics | jesperj, the website may illuminate something we can finger |
| 19:26.54 | resiak | deadcat: He certainly doesn't. That _was_ a joke, trust me. It was a bad one, though. :-) |
| 19:26.54 | Ungy | deadcat god != God |
| 19:26.55 | nvz | Ungy: I'd be the first one to smell me, I am the closest |
| 19:26.58 | deadcat | whats this breakage of woody-> sarge i hear? |
| 19:26.58 | Virtual | deadcat: I don`t have lsof command |
| 19:27.03 | deadcat | delire: i doubt that. |
| 19:27.06 | Virtual | ethics: it worked two days ago just fine |
| 19:27.22 | Ungy | nvz wierd I try not to smell myself |
| 19:27.25 | deadcat | resiak: damn lucky for us he aint no comedian |
| 19:27.28 | valdyn | !info lsof |
| 19:27.32 | dpkg | lsof: (List open files.), section utils, is standard. Version: 4.75.dfsg.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 331 kB, Installed size: 536 kB |
| 19:27.32 | deadcat | Virtual: try fuser -v |
| 19:27.33 | Ungy | nvz or anythign for that matter unless its food and right in my face |
| 19:27.41 | delire | deadcat why you take it so seriously, i don't know. catholic upbringing perhaps? |
| 19:27.42 | resiak | deadcat: You haven't realised why I was apologising, have you? |
| 19:27.44 | valdyn | Virtual: apt-get install lsof |
| 19:27.44 | ethics | virtual lsmod in console and look if there are any snd-XXXXX modules |
| 19:27.46 | jim | deadcat: no idea... possibly would help to be -specific- :) |
| 19:27.54 | deadcat | delire: i dont go to church. just stupid. |
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| 19:28.03 | Virtual | valdyn: yes I know but i`m installing something else right now |
| 19:28.15 | jesperj | delire, I have no ~/.xsession and my ~/.xinitrc only shows startkde |
| 19:28.22 | jesperj | (uncommented that is) |
| 19:28.28 | valdyn | Virtual: so hit ctrl-c and install lsof, or ask your sound question later again |
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| 19:28.37 | delire | jesperj: ok |
| 19:28.51 | Virtual | ethics: snd_mpu401_uart 7296 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 19:28.52 | Virtual | snd_rawmidi 23204 1 snd_mpu401_uart |
| 19:28.52 | Virtual | snd_seq_device 7944 1 snd_rawmidi |
| 19:28.54 | Virtual | you mean that? |
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| 19:28.57 | delire | oops |
| 19:28.57 | xophEr | how do I unload a module? |
| 19:29.00 | delire | rmmod |
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| 19:29.01 | Ungy | God is dead and noone cares!! |
| 19:29.02 | Virtual | sorry |
| 19:29.04 | deadcat | xophEr: modprobe -r |
| 19:29.06 | valdyn | delire: no! |
| 19:29.12 | jim | or modprobe -r |
| 19:29.12 | valdyn | xophEr: modprobe -r <module> |
| 19:29.14 | delire | valdyn: por que? |
| 19:29.19 | xophEr | thanks |
| 19:29.21 | jim | !es |
| 19:29.21 | crylyx | xoz: DMESG: ALSA device list: #0: Dummy 1 |
| 19:29.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:29.24 | deadcat | insmod is not recommended anymore |
| 19:29.28 | inimicus | WHY DOES MY DEBIAN DOES NOT BOOT FROM CD????????????? |
| 19:29.33 | delire | deadcat works for me |
| 19:29.36 | deadcat | inimicus: shut the fuck up |
| 19:29.37 | resiak | inimicus: Did you extract the .ISO with WinRAR or similar? |
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| 19:29.38 | ethics | Virtual, yeah ok so thats all cool ok in xmms you have sound or it errors |
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| 19:29.43 | deadcat | delire: "recommended" |
| 19:29.53 | xoz | !Ping |
| 19:29.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:29.53 | Ungy | inimicus, stop yelling FFS |
| 19:29.57 | valdyn | delire: its unsafe, it doesn't take care of module dependencies |
| 19:29.58 | Virtual | ethics: this is in xmms the error when I try to play a mp3 |
| 19:29.59 | Nexus | If I'm doing a make all, is it possible to get the screen output into a file as well as having it show up on the screen? |
| 19:30.01 | crylyx | inimicus: maybe because you try to put a floppy in your CD drive? |
| 19:30.06 | resiak | Nexus: man tee |
| 19:30.07 | delire | valdyn: whatever works |
| 19:30.10 | jim | inimicus: my debian has a first name... it's d-e-b-b-y.... |
| 19:30.25 | nvz | Ungy: well I am far more observant that you. I pay attention to small details. I could be walking down the street and a guy could drive by with his two daughters in the back seat, and I could tell you what shampoo they use and if they wear different perfume |
| 19:30.28 | jesperj | any ideas? |
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| 19:30.30 | deadcat | h-o-m-e-r |
| 19:30.31 | Granden | How do I do if I want it too look like this when I logon granden @ </current dir> % with the blue and green colors? |
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| 19:30.42 | ethics | Virtual, go into preferences and in the first screen down the bottom select alsa |
| 19:30.46 | crylyx | xoz: read my post? |
| 19:30.46 | jesperj | when I login from gdm to kde, a random wallpaper is shown before the splash screen |
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| 19:30.55 | Virtual | deadcat: Virtual:/home/Virtual# lsof /dev/dsp |
| 19:30.55 | Virtual | Virtual:/home/Virtual# |
| 19:30.55 | resiak | Granden: Read the bash howto. |
| 19:30.56 | deadcat | Granden: export PS1='some fancy promopt here' |
| 19:31.04 | Nexus | resiak, Sweet. THank iyou. |
| 19:31.05 | deadcat | inimicus: dont /msg me asshole |
| 19:31.06 | Radiance | is it true that gnome is somehow broken in sarge ? (or slightly) |
| 19:31.07 | valdyn | Granden: google 'fancy bash prompt' or somesuch |
| 19:31.11 | inimicus | PLZ HELP MY |
| 19:31.17 | delire | jesperj clearly it's Gnome taking the piss out of KDE |
| 19:31.19 | cat | lol |
| 19:31.20 | resiak | inimicus: ANSWER MY QUESTION YOU FUCKWIT |
| 19:31.24 | valdyn | Radiance: no |
| 19:31.26 | deadcat | Granden: you can borrow mine: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.bash_prompts |
| 19:31.28 | inimicus | NO |
| 19:31.30 | resiak | inimicus: 20:29 < resiak> inimicus: Did you extract the .ISO with WinRAR or similar? |
| 19:31.35 | Virtual | ethics: you mean in the control center? |
| 19:31.36 | inimicus | I WANT A ANSWER PLZ |
| 19:31.38 | delire | resiak: bad start |
| 19:31.40 | jim | !ops troll inimicus |
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| 19:31.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: troll inimicus |
| 19:31.42 | xoz | crylyx: sorry, i had network problem. can you post again. |
| 19:31.44 | shingouz | inimicus: lose the caps |
| 19:31.48 | Ungy | nvz maybe I pay attention to others far more then myself in fact I find it rather odd I am really into details to the point I wierd people out if you have dsomething on your shirt even if I don;t know you I will come up and either remove it or tell you that it is there so you remove it |
| 19:31.48 | deadcat | inimicus: good-bye |
| 19:31.51 | crylyx | xoz: DMESG: ALSA device list: #0: Dummy 1 |
| 19:31.54 | ethics | Virtual, no in preferences of xmms |
| 19:31.56 | inimicus | WHY |
| 19:31.58 | crylyx | xoz: this aint normal is it? |
| 19:32.02 | helix | inimicus: stop |
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| 19:32.03 | Granden | thanks for all answers |
| 19:32.04 | shingouz | inimicus: they are annoying |
| 19:32.05 | resiak | delire: I'd asked it twice before. |
| 19:32.06 | Ungy | nvz that still doesn;t tell me where you live I want to find free money |
| 19:32.08 | deadcat | inimicus: try #linux |
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| 19:32.10 | crylyx | inimicus: stop CAPS-LOCK-ing |
| 19:32.16 | inimicus | can u answer my questin plz |
| 19:32.16 | delire | resiak: bad followup |
| 19:32.22 | helix | he must love all the attention he's getting |
| 19:32.25 | delire | inimicus: what's the problem |
| 19:32.27 | shingouz | inimicus: we need more information |
| 19:32.29 | valdyn | inimicus: we cannot, you are not providing useful info |
| 19:32.30 | nvz | Ungy: well the first time I found $5 it was on the ground outside the Labor Ready |
| 19:32.33 | Ungy | inimicus can you answer our questions? |
| 19:32.37 | gtigene | Where can I learn about the changes to /etc/modprobe.d/* required by kernel 2.6? |
| 19:32.38 | jim | inimicus: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 19:32.39 | streuner | inimicus: CAPS-LOCK is shouting in IRC... |
| 19:32.39 | honschu | mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy |
| 19:32.45 | delire | jim: hmmm |
| 19:32.48 | Virtual | ethics: there`s no alsa there |
| 19:32.58 | honschu | inimicus: When does it stop? |
| 19:32.59 | deadcat | helix: hes /msg everyone. |
| 19:33.01 | shingouz | inimicus: you downloaded the iso, how did you burn it on cd? |
| 19:33.02 | resiak | delire: Someone who ignores people _trying_ to help and continues shouting deserves some abuse. |
| 19:33.02 | delire | inimicus: you have the ball, now throw it. |
| 19:33.04 | nick23 | Why does apt-get complain that http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US/non-free could not be found?? |
| 19:33.07 | crylyx | xoz: ? |
| 19:33.08 | sparr_ | what is the proper syntax to mount /foo/bar/blah on 1.2.3.4 that is exported as an NFS volume? |
| 19:33.09 | nvz | Ungy: some poor under paid bastard lost $5 of his hard earned cash, and I made fortune of his misfortune |
| 19:33.14 | delire | resiak: good luck |
| 19:33.18 | inimicus | i downloaded 7 debian 7 images and i burnd it on acd but it doesnt boot |
| 19:33.20 | resiak | delire: With what? |
| 19:33.24 | resiak | inimicus: How did you burn them? |
| 19:33.24 | Ungy | nvz that is how life works |
| 19:33.27 | valdyn | gtigene: http://www.kerneltrap.org/ has a guide for the transition 2.4->2.6 |
| 19:33.39 | ethics | Virtual, look harder in preferences the first tab down the bottom is a pulldown box..shou have oss in there maybe too |
| 19:33.45 | inimicus | burn (nero) image on cd |
| 19:33.45 | shingouz | inimicus: how did you burn them? |
| 19:33.45 | gtigene | valdyn: thanks, I think I really need it. |
| 19:33.55 | deadcat | Granden: ah. just .bash_prompt, no s at the end. my fault |
| 19:33.56 | jim | sparr_: mount -t nfs (remoteVolume) (mountPoint) |
| 19:34.00 | Virtual | ethics: is there a possibility I don`t have it installed? |
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| 19:34.04 | inimicus | first boot devie is my room |
| 19:34.05 | delire | inimicus: you have bad media, you burnt data instead of an ISO, your burner is broken. |
| 19:34.06 | xoz | crylyx: sorry.. my network is lagging. we need more clues. can you check lsmod... make sure only snd-* drivers are there and oss driver is not loaded for your card |
| 19:34.07 | sparr_ | jim: ok, now, specifically? |
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| 19:34.13 | jim | sparr_: man mount |
| 19:34.16 | Ungy | nvz if you were afarmer who grew corn and my farm also made corn we would be competitors if my farnm got whiped out by a tornado you would profit from my misfortune ;-) its all circular |
| 19:34.17 | shingouz | inimicus: burned as an image, is that is? you didn't extract them with winrar or anything? |
| 19:34.18 | Granden | okej |
| 19:34.21 | sparr_ | jim: did that |
| 19:34.26 | ethics | Virtual, naybe im looking at mine atm sec |
| 19:34.27 | nvz | speaking of shirts.. I think I need to put one on. |
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| 19:34.33 | inimicus | i dont extrct |
| 19:34.33 | jim | so now you know specifically |
| 19:34.34 | Virtual | ethics: I know but the pulldown box is at max, I cannot pull down anymore heh |
| 19:34.36 | justin | sparr_: maybe you should read the part that says Most devices are indicated by a file name (of a block special device), like /dev/sda1, but there are other possibilities. For example, in the case of an NFS mount, device may look like knuth.cwi.nl:/dir. It is possible to indicate a block special device using its volume label or UUID (see the -L and -U options below). |
| 19:34.39 | resiak | !tell inimicus -about nickprefix |
| 19:34.41 | inimicus | i burnt |
| 19:34.49 | delire | inimicus: good start |
| 19:34.53 | inimicus | thx |
| 19:34.53 | crylyx | xoz: alsa driver do not appear in lsmod.(i built the alsa stuff static in the kernel) |
| 19:34.56 | steve_ | hey- does debian have a war dialer? |
| 19:34.56 | streuner | resiak: its ok for now... |
| 19:35.08 | shingouz | inimicus: have you checked the bios that it is set to boot from cd in the first place? |
| 19:35.11 | delire | crylyx: modprobe -l | grep snd |
| 19:35.15 | inimicus | yes i have |
| 19:35.24 | jesperj | delire, mayeb it is... You think it is gnome setting the wallpaper despite me having a kde session? |
| 19:35.24 | resiak | streuner: Meh, what's wrong with trying to help them be easier to help? |
| 19:35.26 | LordWolF | .cl |
| 19:35.29 | crylyx | delire: nothing |
| 19:35.29 | shingouz | inimicus: well is it set up to boot off the cd? |
| 19:35.31 | valdyn | crylyx: dmesg | grep intel8x0 |
| 19:35.32 | Granden | who did I get bash_prompt from? |
| 19:35.33 | delire | jesperj: perhaps |
| 19:35.38 | sparr_ | justin: maybe i already read that part, ever think of that? |
| 19:35.40 | delire | crylyx: you didn't compile the modules then |
| 19:35.41 | crylyx | valdyn: nothing |
| 19:35.44 | nvz | Ungy: it was all in good faith.. I could have taken the scenic route where the road was closed, but I decided to pickup five (meaning minutes) by going along the highway, and turned out I found five dollars instead. |
| 19:35.45 | streuner | resiak: too many answers... |
| 19:35.47 | samuel | where does debian keep the linux-kernel-headers package? |
| 19:35.48 | valdyn | crylyx: or possibly dmesg | grep intel |
| 19:35.49 | nick23 | and http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz is not found either (when running apt-get). I'm running debian unstable... |
| 19:35.50 | jesperj | delire, that wouldn't be too smart a feature of gdm though |
| 19:35.50 | justin | sparr_: nope, most likely you didn't |
| 19:35.53 | inimicus | yes frist bootdeive: dvd-room |
| 19:35.54 | Ungy | shingouz, he said his first boot device was ROM |
| 19:35.56 | resiak | streuner: Fair enough. |
| 19:36.02 | valdyn | crylyx: you should probably use a debian kernel now. |
| 19:36.02 | crylyx | valdyn: nope |
| 19:36.04 | delire | inimicus: can you browse the CD from winblows |
| 19:36.06 | Granden | http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.bash_prompt whos bash prompt is that??? |
| 19:36.07 | *** part/#debian StoneChucker (~chatzilla@host2.brantford.ca) |
| 19:36.17 | sparr_ | this is the command that is not working for me, with an error of 'permission denied'. however, i get the same error when i try known-invalid mount information so i do not think it is truly a permission issue. mount -t nfs 192.168.1.2:/var/lib/nfs_root /mnt/temp |
| 19:36.18 | resiak | Granden: It's deadcat's, amazingly. |
| 19:36.19 | inimicus | yes |
| 19:36.22 | deadcat | Granden: thats mine. |
| 19:36.24 | Ungy | nvz I see I must take the road less traveled more often wise words |
| 19:36.25 | delire | jesperj: wouldn't be abnormal of such a scatalogical DE. |
| 19:36.27 | valdyn | crylyx: supporting weird unknown kernels isnt something we can just do easily |
| 19:36.27 | Granden | okej I pm you |
| 19:36.28 | crylyx | valdyn: thats what i *don't* want to do. ( and the debian kernel is using OSS) |
| 19:36.28 | steve_ | does debian have a wardialer? |
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| 19:36.31 | Granden | ? |
| 19:36.35 | samuel | where does debian keep the linux-kernel-headers package? |
| 19:36.36 | inimicus | but i counldnot start the setup |
| 19:36.36 | shingouz | inimicus: in that case i think you have a bad burn on the cd |
| 19:36.38 | valdyn | crylyx: no it isnt |
| 19:36.40 | jesperj | delire, DE? |
| 19:36.53 | delire | jesperj: == Desktop Environment |
| 19:36.56 | jesperj | ah |
| 19:36.56 | justin | sparr_: run it as root. |
| 19:37.03 | delire | jesperj: use kdm perhaps |
| 19:37.06 | crylyx | valdyn, its is because every app ran on the debian kernel with OSS output. ALSA output did not work |
| 19:37.07 | deadcat | Granden: dont /msg me. |
| 19:37.09 | inimicus | i have burn 2 different versions und with 2 burners |
| 19:37.12 | steve_ | !wardailer |
| 19:37.15 | jesperj | delire, well, I like gdm cause it has graphical themes |
| 19:37.18 | xoz | crylyx: possible you forgot some alsa supporting modules such as seq, midi, seq_oss |
| 19:37.18 | delire | crylyx: you haven't build the modules |
| 19:37.20 | shingouz | inimicus: i see you are from Austria, do you usually speak German? |
| 19:37.22 | ethics | Virtual, libalsa.so thats the file it calls but it shoudl be in xmms core i think... |
| 19:37.24 | sparr_ | justin: i am |
| 19:37.32 | deadcat | Granden: you put in your ~/.bash_prompt then just ". .bash_prompt; PSone" |
| 19:37.33 | resiak | samuel: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:37.35 | inimicus | on the cd there isnt a folder with boot disk or so |
| 19:37.38 | jesperj | delire, when kdm with gdm theme support gets in stable I will use it ;) |
| 19:37.41 | delire | jesperj: right, i use neither though feel KDE is lightyears ahead. |
| 19:37.41 | nick23 | If I'm running debian unstable and have been for the past year, must I change anything in my sources.list file as apt-get is complaining some of the URLs can no longer be found?? |
| 19:37.42 | inimicus | ja |
| 19:37.46 | valdyn | crylyx: thats a pebkac, not a misfeature of debian kernels, '/msg dpkg alsa 2.6' |
| 19:37.55 | crylyx | xoz: maybe thats interesting then: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.4 (Mon May 17 14:31:44 2004 |
| 19:37.57 | samuel | resiak, i have the linux-kernel-headers, but i cant find them |
| 19:37.58 | crylyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.58 | inimicus | ich sprech deutsch |
| 19:38.01 | crylyx | unable to register OSS PCM device 0:0 |
| 19:38.03 | crylyx | unable to register OSS mixer device 0:0 |
| 19:38.04 | justin | sparr_: what _exactly_ does the error say? |
| 19:38.07 | deadcat | Granden: put this in your .bashrc or .bash_profile: [ -f $HOME/.bash_prompt ] && . $HOME/.bash_prompt && PSone |
| 19:38.07 | davi | Is a firewall enable on Debian Sarge by default ? |
| 19:38.10 | resiak | samuel: Are you running Ubuntu? |
| 19:38.10 | delire | valdyn: hehe PEBKAC. i ordered the t-shirt |
| 19:38.11 | samuel | resiak, sneaky headers..... |
| 19:38.11 | Virtual | ethics: i`m pretty sure I don`t have it |
| 19:38.12 | Granden | should I put it in my /home/granden/ folder? |
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| 19:38.15 | samuel | resiak, debian |
| 19:38.17 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 19:38.21 | samuel | resiak, unstable |
| 19:38.26 | resiak | samuel: dpkg -S kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:38.28 | streuner | inimicus: #debian.de and /msg nickserv help to identify (you need that in order to join #debian.de) |
| 19:38.29 | sparr_ | mount: 192.168.1.2:/var/lib/nfs_root/linux_pda_shell failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 19:38.29 | inimicus | what version should i doenload |
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| 19:38.31 | ethics | Virtual, apt-get install libao2 |
| 19:38.31 | jesperj | delire, I use KDE as my DE and therefore it is abit akward to use GDM but I do like eyecandy so that is why I use it. Do you mean KDE is lightyears ahead or KDM? |
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| 19:38.35 | inimicus | alpha???? |
| 19:38.37 | shingouz | inimicus: you just put the cd in the drive and reboot the computer, it should work. there is also #debian.de which is in German, you might find it a bit easier to communicate in your own language? |
| 19:38.43 | ribnitz | is it possible to load two differnt soundcards? |
| 19:38.44 | sparr_ | thats for a different remote directory, obviously |
| 19:38.52 | justin | sparr_: fix the server then |
| 19:38.54 | Virtual | libao2 is already the newest version |
| 19:38.54 | XTF | Does Linux still supports HDDs that don't support UDMA but only PIO or MW DMA? |
| 19:38.56 | shingouz | inimicus: aplpha? |
| 19:38.56 | Granden | deadcat should I put bash_prompt in /home/granden/ |
| 19:38.59 | sparr_ | justin: ok. how? |
| 19:39.00 | streuner | inimicus: different arch |
| 19:39.01 | inimicus | yes |
| 19:39.05 | xoz | crylyx: you need to make sure the other modules are compiled also. better you try debian kernel and check the modules loaded before compiling your own kernel. |
| 19:39.06 | justin | sparr_: export the directory you are trying to mount |
| 19:39.08 | shingouz | inimicus: what computer do you have? |
| 19:39.09 | sparr_ | Export list for 192.168.1.2: |
| 19:39.09 | sparr_ | /var/lib/nfs_root/linux_pda_shell * |
| 19:39.09 | deadcat | Granden: ya ~/.bash_prompt |
| 19:39.13 | streuner | inimicus: what version excatly did you download? |
| 19:39.14 | sparr_ | showmount says its exported |
| 19:39.17 | Granden | okej |
| 19:39.20 | ethics | Virtual apt-get remove xmms |
| 19:39.21 | valdyn | ribnitz: load isnt the right term, but you can use as many soundcards as you can fit into or onto your computer |
| 19:39.23 | streuner | inimicus: we need the exact iso name |
| 19:39.30 | delire | jesperj: KDE is lightyears ahead of gnome. i've taught many students on both. their confluent goals produce very different results. |
| 19:39.34 | deadcat | i dont get why mplayer requires xmms |
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| 19:39.38 | inimicus | amd 64 3ghz 1 gb ram 140 gb hdd 9600pro |
| 19:39.43 | valdyn | deadcat: it doesnt? |
| 19:39.44 | stupidkid | anyone knows a good transparent pannel? |
| 19:39.45 | justin | sparr_: that was from showmount -e 192.168.1.2 ? |
| 19:39.47 | Granden | deadcat and when that is done what do I do then? |
| 19:39.49 | ethics | Virtual, install it again see if its just a missing file somehow |
| 19:39.52 | jesperj | delire, I don't knwo if I think KDE and GNOME is that different as how "far they have come" but more that I see them as different approaches. Gnome seems even more "configure it to how you want it to be" and KDE just works from the start good |
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| 19:39.57 | inimicus | debian-30r5-alpha-binary-1 |
| 19:39.59 | sparr_ | justin: --exports, but yes |
| 19:40.01 | Granden | so that its loaded and not the one that is in .bashrc |
| 19:40.02 | ribnitz | valdyn: yes. what i want is use them at the same time, ie. have more than one set of modules loaded |
| 19:40.02 | resiak | stupidkid: pypanel, fbpanel, apt-cache search panel |
| 19:40.04 | samuel | resiak, the linux-kernel-headers is installed, but it didnt install any headers package as a dependency? |
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| 19:40.05 | deadcat | valdyn: ya. it keeps installing xmms when i get mplayer |
| 19:40.05 | streuner | inimicus: nein, wie heißt der der volle Dateiname (iso), den du runtergeladen hast? |
| 19:40.11 | jesperj | delire, yes I am more productive with KDE I have found |
| 19:40.19 | valdyn | ribnitz: sure, that is exactly what im saying, its possible |
| 19:40.20 | deadcat | Granden: put this in your .bashrc or .bash_profile: [ -f $HOME/.bash_prompt ] && . $HOME/.bash_prompt && PSone |
| 19:40.25 | stupidkid | resiak, you use pypanel? |
| 19:40.25 | inimicus | debian-30r5-alpha-binary-1 so |
| 19:40.27 | Virtual | ethics: this removed to with xmms Removing kde ... |
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| 19:40.27 | Virtual | Removing kdeaddons ... |
| 19:40.27 | Virtual | , is that normal ? |
| 19:40.27 | crylyx | xoz: actually if i want to use ALSA, i should exclude OSS stuff completely from my kernel? |
| 19:40.30 | valdyn | ribnitz: im using 2 atm |
| 19:40.35 | resiak | stupidkid: No. |
| 19:40.36 | nick23 | If I'm running debian unstable and have been for the past year, must I change anything in my sources.list file as apt-get is complaining some of the URLs can no longer be found?? |
| 19:40.41 | streuner | inimicus: and what CPU do you have? |
| 19:40.41 | resiak | samuel: What are you trying to do/ |
| 19:40.41 | stupidkid | ok |
| 19:40.45 | shingouz | inimicus: no wonder it does nto boot, you cannot use an alpha cd on it, you need to get the i386 |
| 19:40.47 | stupidkid | thx resiak :) |
| 19:40.48 | xoz | crylyx: definitely. it won't work |
| 19:40.48 | Granden | dead cat should htis be with [ ? |
| 19:40.50 | nvz | well I just had a history lesson. I just realized what was meant by 'Forth Reich Vulture' in "No Shelter" |
| 19:40.52 | ribnitz | inimicus: das schau aus wie was für dec alpha cpu. |
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| 19:40.56 | shingouz | wait, inimicus |
| 19:40.58 | inimicus | ahh ok |
| 19:41.02 | xoz | crylyx: race condition |
| 19:41.03 | Granden | [ -f $HOME/.bash_prompt ] && . $HOME/.bash_prompt && PSone or [ -f $HOME/.bash_prompt ] && . $HOME/.bash_prompt && PSone |
| 19:41.04 | shingouz | inimicus: AMD 64bit? |
| 19:41.05 | ethics | Virtual, yeah reinstall them |
| 19:41.08 | delire | jesperj: try using Gnomes graphical administrative tools, they suck in comparison. KDE has excellent administrative tools and well integrated 'suites' of applications. I use neither, but see KDE's popularity to be a testament to their humility and useability studies. |
| 19:41.11 | Granden | [ -f $HOME/.bash_prompt ] && . $HOME/.bash_prompt && PSone or -f $HOME/.bash_prompt ] && . $HOME/.bash_prompt && PSone |
| 19:41.12 | streuner | inimicus: im übrigen die 5. CD ist nicht bootbar |
| 19:41.21 | ribnitz | valdyn: how do you associate which soundcard is used by what app? |
| 19:41.21 | jesperj | delire, anyway, I will likely fix this annoying problem soon enough. I hate it when some default setting choses FOR ME to show something like a random wallpaper without asking me. I want not such settings to be there from start. |
| 19:41.23 | shingouz | resiak: shhh... one thing at the time :) |
| 19:41.24 | deadcat | Granden: they look the same to me. |
| 19:41.24 | ethics | Virtual, xmms is part of kdeaddons librarys etc... |
| 19:41.25 | streuner | inimicus: nur die erste |
| 19:41.26 | inimicus | nein aber die 1 oder |
| 19:41.29 | justin | sparr_: does literally '*' work? try writing 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 19:41.29 | stupidkid | resiak, fbpanel doesn't support transparency |
| 19:41.35 | resiak | stupidkid: I think you'll find that it does. |
| 19:41.38 | ribnitz | valdyn: eg. how do I tell xmms to use soundcard1? |
| 19:41.38 | delire | jesperj: you're annoyance is justified. |
| 19:41.41 | ethics | Virtual, reinstall what it removed restart xmms check the tab |
| 19:41.47 | stupidkid | really |
| 19:41.48 | jesperj | delire, I'm off to play a boardgame with my gf who is looking bored at me :) Thank you for the chat. ttyl |
| 19:41.49 | delire | s/you're/your |
| 19:41.50 | Virtual | ok |
| 19:41.56 | xoz | crylyx: you need to compile alsa emulator for oss such as the seq, midi, etc aside from alsa seq, midi, etc |
| 19:41.57 | deadcat | Granden: with the freakin [ ] |
| 19:41.57 | EmleyMoor | I need to download a CD I can use to get into my hard disk on which grub is not installed, in order to install grub, but the netinst CD download is stopping at 88% |
| 19:41.58 | delire | jesperj: anytime |
| 19:42.06 | ethics | jesperj, nude twister?? |
| 19:42.08 | jesperj | delire, out of curiosity though, what DE do you use? |
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| 19:42.43 | samuel | resiak, build atheros wireless modules, i guess i can install a headers package, but is that a bug? the fact that the package says it provides the headers, but doesnt? or is that some odd way to go about things? |
| 19:42.44 | ribnitz | inimicus: cd1 von debian 3.0r5 ("woody") für DEC alpha cpu. |
| 19:42.44 | crylyx | xoz: ok, thats clear. but disable the main OSS support part? |
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| 19:42.44 | delire | jesperj: http://wmi.modprobe.de |
| 19:42.44 | EmleyMoor | (It has happened twice!) |
| 19:42.44 | sparr_ | justin: thanks. specific ip worked |
| 19:42.44 | xoz | crylyx: yes.. only alsa emulators for oss devices |
| 19:42.44 | Granden | OMG deadcat how can you use that one |
| 19:42.51 | jesperj | ethics, heh. we play something like that often enough ;) Nah the game is called "The quest for the lost diamond" (translated from swedish) |
| 19:42.51 | Granden | its really enoying |
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| 19:42.52 | inimicus | what should i take non us oder the normal |
| 19:42.54 | Granden | thanks anyway |
| 19:42.56 | jesperj | ok delire |
| 19:42.57 | deadcat | Granden: source the damn file. |
| 19:42.59 | resiak | samuel: apt-get install kernel-headers-$( uname -r ) . linux-kernel-headers isn't actually what you think. :) |
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| 19:43.01 | jesperj | bye guys |
| 19:43.01 | inimicus | i only need the first cd or |
| 19:43.03 | EmleyMoor | Can anyone advise me on some other, preferably small, CD I can download to do the job? |
| 19:43.08 | deadcat | Granden: its a freakin function |
| 19:43.09 | ribnitz | inimicus: what computer do you have? |
| 19:43.10 | streuner | ribnitz: yes, good work |
| 19:43.12 | delire | jesperj ciao |
| 19:43.17 | ethics | jesperj, hehe well say hi to her from us all hehe |
| 19:43.26 | Granden | nanno .bashrc |
| 19:43.27 | beardy | EmleyMoor: What job? |
| 19:43.30 | resiak | stupidkid: less /etc/fbpanel/default |
| 19:43.30 | Granden | ops |
| 19:43.35 | Bogus8 | when you apt-get an application does it run a check to see what you have installed... like a media player checking for codecs? |
| 19:43.43 | samuel | resiak, im seeing.... thanks! :) |
| 19:43.44 | inimicus | amd 60 3ghz 1gb ram 140gb hdd 9600 pro |
| 19:43.52 | EmleyMoor | beardy: boot up system using filesystems from a hard disk in order to install grub on it |
| 19:43.56 | xoz | samuel: module-assistant will help you compiling wireless support |
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| 19:44.09 | Granden | deadcat cant you answer me on pm |
| 19:44.10 | ribnitz | streuner: Only seen such a cpu like once, and that box didnt work with linux (Turbochannel).. |
| 19:44.12 | samuel | xoz, thanks! |
| 19:44.20 | Virtual | ethics: nope, still not there |
| 19:44.21 | steve_ | !bans |
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| 19:44.25 | stupidkid | oh yeah |
| 19:44.28 | stupidkid | i found it |
| 19:44.29 | EmleyMoor | I'd have known a lot sooner but I had a serious breakdown while I was working on it - had to buy new hardware |
| 19:44.29 | deadcat | Granden: just ask here. i dont need to know your a/g/l |
| 19:44.32 | help-desperate | hello. I'm running debian sarge, I'm trying to setup a gateway with ifconfig, yes i know about network/interfaces, yes, this failed to work, altough i have been working according the manpage, i'm sick and tired of this /etc/network/interfaces so I'm trying with ifconfig first! I have been reading the ifconfig manpage looking for setting a gateway up as paramter, I failed to invoke gw or gateway! ifconfig eth0 ip.ip.ip.ip netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:44.32 | stupidkid | thanks resiak :) |
| 19:44.34 | inimicus | what should itake |
| 19:44.48 | nvz | inimicus: do you always talk in shorthand? |
| 19:44.52 | samuel | resiak, i did run ubuntu for a while, but just couldnt get used to it... debian is just way too cool |
| 19:44.55 | inimicus | yes |
| 19:44.56 | ethics | Virtual, cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:44.56 | nvz | irc doesnt charge by the letter |
| 19:45.10 | valdyn | Bogus8: apps do whatever they do, debian packages depend or recommend or suggest packages. A media player would reasonably recommend a codec package. |
| 19:45.11 | inimicus | i386 or ia64 |
| 19:45.14 | resiak | samuel: I thought you were running it because you were talking about linux-* packages, which is what they call their kernels. |
| 19:45.18 | beardy | EmleyMoor: http://www.sysresccd.org/ is good. |
| 19:45.18 | abydos | ok so I installed my Audigy2 |
| 19:45.26 | abydos | I don't know how to make it the default card |
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| 19:45.32 | Virtual | ethics: no sound cards but that`s impossible, it worked two days ago just fine |
| 19:45.33 | samuel | resiak, i see.... |
| 19:45.34 | Bogus8 | valdyn: so by default it will assume everything is installed? |
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| 19:45.42 | valdyn | Bogus8: no |
| 19:45.43 | help-desperate | running sarge, having issues with ifconfig. tried ifconfig eth0 ip netmask 255.255.255.0 gatway or gw ip. But I get Hostname lookup failure. |
| 19:45.52 | Bogus8 | valdyn: or am I supposed to get suggested packages first? |
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| 19:46.10 | abydos | My Audigy2 is recognized, and apparently configured by Debian for me, but it's configured as the secondary sound card. |
| 19:46.13 | abydos | I need it as the primary. |
| 19:46.18 | ribnitz | inimicus: i386 is x86 (pentium,pII,PIII,P4, AMD K7) ia64 is Intel Itanium CPU |
| 19:46.28 | ethics | Virtual, ok well its driverside anyways... we shall start from the beginning hehe |
| 19:46.28 | streuner | !tell inimicus about amd64 |
| 19:46.38 | ethics | lspci look for the sound card... |
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| 19:47.02 | ribnitz | inimicus: and then definitely take the netinst cd (if you have good connectivity) |
| 19:47.23 | EmleyMoor | The day started with what seemed to be a relatively straightforward hard disk upgrade - but then my motherboard packed up! |
| 19:47.27 | valdyn | Bogus8: depends will be installed automatically, recommends or suggests are treated differently, depending on which tool and which setting on that tool you use. apt-cache show <package> will list the packages. depended upon or recommended etc.. |
| 19:47.28 | nvz | oh well, I am going out for a bike ride, since I havent left this seat all day. go cruise the glitter in Sweet Water, try blend in with the yuppie fucks |
| 19:47.31 | Virtual | ethics: thanks for the patience, what should I do now? |
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| 19:47.38 | tcsetattr | well, I see from grotty(1) that the new broken behavior was deliberate idiocy |
| 19:47.42 | EmleyMoor | (still, I suspected it was going the other day) |
| 19:47.48 | ethics | abydos in the bios diasble the onboard |
| 19:47.54 | help-desperate | hello. I'm running debian sarge, I'm trying to setup a gateway with ifconfig, yes i know about network/interfaces, yes, this failed to work, altough i have been working according the manpage, i'm sick and tired of this /etc/network/interfaces so I'm trying with ifconfig first! I have been reading the ifconfig manpage looking for setting a gateway up as paramter, I failed to invoke gw or gateway! ifconfig eth0 ip.ip.ip.ip netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 19:48.08 | ethics | Virtual, lspci look for the sound card... |
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| 19:48.18 | green_earz | help-desperate: you could use etherconf to setup the network card. |
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| 19:48.19 | hool | hilfe.. im trying to get my pos nvidia gforce to work with sarge.. but im too dumb to do all those pokin' round the kernel with a stick |
| 19:48.35 | Bogus8 | valdyn: hmm not sure I completely follow... for like the media player.. it will suggest codec packages... should I d/l thos before apt-get'ing the mediaplayer? |
| 19:48.36 | nvz | haha |
| 19:48.48 | Virtual | ethics: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 12) this one right? |
| 19:48.48 | valdyn | Bogus8: the order is up to you |
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| 19:49.02 | nvz | you only need the kernel headers and to build a module, you dont have to poke in the kernel with a stick |
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| 19:49.06 | hool | why did i ever yank out my readon? |
| 19:49.08 | Bogus8 | valdyn: so it doesn't matter... the media player will assume all codecs are there then? |
| 19:49.10 | ElBarono | is there a kernel in woody with bigmem support? |
| 19:49.13 | ethics | !tell hool about nvidia howto |
| 19:49.14 | ribnitz | hool: module-assistant, nvidia-kernel-module -> deb, which you can install normally. |
| 19:49.20 | EmleyMoor | If you apt-get something that has dependencies, they are automatically fetched |
| 19:49.24 | nvz | hool: because you realized ATI is teh suck? |
| 19:49.26 | hool | hmmm.. |
| 19:49.38 | hool | nvz: ATI is teh suck? |
| 19:49.40 | nvz | I got a ProSuckage |
| 19:49.40 | hool | why? |
| 19:49.41 | ethics | hool: method two from the how to...its step by step copy and paste eve |
| 19:49.52 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: codecs are dependaencies for a media player though |
| 19:49.53 | nvz | lspci | grep vga |
| 19:49.55 | nvz | er |
| 19:49.58 | valdyn | Bogus8: if a media player depends on a codec then it will 'assume' its there, if it suggests or recommends something it will check for it and only use it if its there. |
| 19:50.05 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: aren't* |
| 19:50.05 | hool | tried the one liner.. didn't work for me.. nor did the ugly hack from the nvidia site |
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| 19:50.15 | FarrisG | It looks to me as if openmosix is not currently working completely in 2.6. Nobody awake in #openmosix can answer the question definitely. Any thoughts? |
| 19:50.18 | EmleyMoor | Bogus8: No, but a media player is a dependency for the codecs |
| 19:50.21 | resiak | hool: Define "didn't work". |
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| 19:50.23 | hool | nvz: come over to sweden to fix it for me.. i have cold beer ;) |
| 19:50.24 | nvz | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ProSavage KM133 (rev 03) |
| 19:50.25 | tarzeau | shingouz: i'm looking now.. |
| 19:50.30 | ribnitz | hool: go install module assistant |
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| 19:50.43 | nvz | hool: I am sure it would be warm or gone by the time I could get to sweden |
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| 19:50.44 | hool | resiak: sandbags, colorful error msges and huge explosions |
| 19:50.45 | sepski | nice story about debian at /. |
| 19:50.58 | resiak | hool: Okay, I won't try to help you then. |
| 19:50.59 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: no because you can use any media player with any codec it supports |
| 19:51.04 | hool | nvz: yeah.. if you'r hitchiking, sure ;) |
| 19:51.16 | oskie | what's wrong when dvdrecord says its burning at 4x, but it takes 30min to burn a dvd? |
| 19:51.18 | abydos | ethics: I don't think that's possible :( |
| 19:51.24 | shingouz | tarzeau: fugly, huh? there are two pics, the other one (with the stuff lined up along the right side) with the long command, the other command is visible there |
| 19:51.24 | nvz | hool: I dont think hitchhiking in the ocean is a good idea |
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| 19:51.28 | EmleyMoor | You have to have *a* media player, though |
| 19:51.34 | Bogus8 | valdyn: so with the media player example it's best to get codec packages so when the media player installs it will see the codecs and configure itself to use them... is this a correct assumption? |
| 19:51.36 | hool | resiak: it can't find a kernel image for my system and it can't find any image to make a kernel from either.. |
| 19:51.40 | abydos | ethics: I've been all up and down that bios and found no "disable onboard soundcard" |
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| 19:51.40 | ethics | Virtual, yeah thats an 810 ok join flood and paste in your lsmod |
| 19:51.43 | beardy | oskie: nothing? |
| 19:51.49 | hool | even tho i aptet the 2.6.8 kernel source package |
| 19:51.51 | tarzeau | shingouz: you have to turn it 180° |
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| 19:51.56 | tarzeau | shingouz: not 0° or 90° |
| 19:52.02 | ethics | Virtual, #flood sorry |
| 19:52.04 | green_earz | hool: i bet you read it but here the nvidia howto > http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 19:52.11 | valdyn | Bogus8: yes ( but that is not a debian feature, its just how (most) media players are made ) |
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| 19:52.25 | oskie | beardy: but 4x, isn't that approx 5MB/s, so 4480/5 = 896seconds = 15mins? |
| 19:52.29 | Bogus8 | valdyn: ok... thanks a bunch for clearing that up |
| 19:52.36 | shingouz | tarzeau: ah, so you had to go even odder than just upside down :) |
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| 19:52.54 | hool | my main problem is that my stuff is so stable.. i forgot how i did it when it finally blows up on me :/ |
| 19:52.56 | streuner_ | !ops sevda_ spamming with pictures |
| 19:52.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sevda_ spamming with pictures |
| 19:53.00 | hool | isn't life bizaar? |
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| 19:53.09 | ethics | abydos ok the nasty hack way is to go into /etc/modules.conf and find the als drivers and just revers the lines...first to load is number 1 regarles of irq or slot |
| 19:53.21 | tarzeau | shingouz: you forgot the right justify the text |
| 19:53.26 | valdyn | Bogus8: so its imaginable that you would need to play a movie like : "movieplay -use-foo-codec movie.avi", but i dont know about any movie player that would require this. |
| 19:53.27 | tarzeau | shingouz: my command was this: |
| 19:53.33 | LoRez | streuner_: thanks |
| 19:53.40 | tarzeau | tac /etc/motd |upside-down| while read a; do printf "%80s\n" $a; done |
| 19:53.43 | abydos | ethics: nasty hack you say? |
| 19:54.04 | nick23 | Is anyone running unstable here? Could I see their sources.list file please? |
| 19:54.04 | Bogus8 | valdyn: right... but this would also translate to other packages with optional support packages |
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| 19:54.19 | valdyn | Bogus8: yep |
| 19:54.23 | hool | abydos: yeah. they make things work if all else fails.. and you get leet points for a bonus ;) |
| 19:54.42 | bobwJek | anyone ever use WEBMIN, i just installed but it dosent seem to work w/o sll |
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| 19:54.45 | bobwJek | ssl |
| 19:54.51 | abydos | alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 |
| 19:54.51 | abydos | alias snd-card-1 snd-via82xx |
| 19:54.55 | abydos | that should work, right+ |
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| 19:55.13 | hool | sarge is stable now i see.. time to update to SID then to be on the bleeding edge? |
| 19:55.18 | basti_ | hey guys. I manually removed some files belonging to a .deb package, now i can neither install nor deinstall the package anymore |
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| 19:55.25 | Draconicus | Heya. |
| 19:55.31 | abydos | i've been running sid for a fairly long time, hool |
| 19:55.31 | valdyn | hool: you can keep using testing |
| 19:55.31 | ethics | abydos, wel alsaconf overwrites it so its semi permanent |
| 19:55.40 | shingouz | tarzeau: yup, i have the command still here, i actually wrote it down and tried to grok it myself. helps when i can see the command and what it really does |
| 19:55.43 | abydos | urgh |
| 19:55.49 | Ronin | hool: can you fix sid when it breaks? if no best stick with testing, its not that far behind |
| 19:55.49 | basti_ | i tried dpkg --force-all -r |
| 19:55.54 | basti_ | but it didnt help |
| 19:55.55 | valdyn | hool: there's not much reason why you should take the common brokenness of sid |
| 19:56.04 | abydos | heh, would it help if I ran alsaconf? |
| 19:56.11 | XTF | Hi. If I load both the hpt366 and the ide-generic module, the one that loads last freezes. How can I solve that? |
| 19:56.14 | tarzeau | shingouz: it does right justify the text |
| 19:56.17 | wli | tetex-base is crapping out on me badly |
| 19:56.22 | tarzeau | shingouz: and order it right, like cat but tac |
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| 19:56.31 | ecidadania11 | oii |
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| 19:56.38 | ecidadania11 | tudo bem? |
| 19:56.54 | abydos | hooray. |
| 19:56.58 | abydos | sound card configured. |
| 19:56.58 | valdyn | XTF: hptf366 is your disk controller? |
| 19:57.05 | shingouz | tarzeau: i think i see.. lots to learn still |
| 19:57.07 | green_earz | bobwJek: loging first from local host as root, then add user to be admin for webmin, and then config webmin to be login remotely. |
| 19:57.11 | ecidadania11 | oii |
| 19:57.19 | shingouz | !br |
| 19:57.19 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:57.19 | EmleyMoor | This job is making me late, but certain people will be hopping mad if I don't at least get the mail server back on line soon |
| 19:57.21 | green_earz | bobwJek: sorry login |
| 19:57.21 | ecidadania11 | quer quer y |
| 19:57.22 | ecidadania11 | mx |
| 19:57.30 | ecidadania11 | oii |
| 19:57.39 | Draconicus | valdyn: I have the new kernel, working fine aside from a gnome panel accessory that initially exploded (though it works now, oddly). You said that /lib/modules/(kernel)/build/ should exist if the proper utilities are installed. What were you referring to? |
| 19:57.49 | shingouz | !tell ecidadania11 about br |
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| 19:58.06 | shingouz | he did read! wow, i am amazed |
| 19:58.07 | hool | well.. things are running smooth over here.. if i only could beat the gforce into submission.. |
| 19:58.09 | valdyn | Draconicus: 'apt-get install kernel-image-$(uname -r)' |
| 19:58.18 | Bogus8 | can you make apt-get just get all suggested and recommended |
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| 19:58.27 | tarzeau | shingouz: if you can redo it again ;) |
| 19:58.33 | valdyn | Draconicus: i meant that you wont need to create that link, im not sure if it will exist. |
| 19:58.35 | Seb | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ |
| 19:58.43 | hool | don't want to be in the position as one of my friends.. back when USB was new he had to try different nightly builds to have a OS at all |
| 19:58.47 | shingouz | tarzeau: uh.. want better shots? |
| 19:58.57 | hool | something in his hardware that forced the latest something |
| 19:58.57 | tarzeau | shingouz: no, just with the right command |
| 19:59.04 | paulswm | !kill Seb |
| 19:59.06 | Draconicus | Bogus8: No. Sorry. This isn't happy lazy person OS. Somebody could make a list, but it would have to keep getting updated. |
| 19:59.15 | EmleyMoor | I just hope next time my hardware fails I have spares in stock |
| 19:59.21 | hool | im old.. my memory is faded, grey and dozed in whisky |
| 19:59.25 | Seb | hrm sorry bout that |
| 19:59.27 | shingouz | tarzeau: i'll try for the hell of it. before that i seriously need to go outside and pollute the air for a few minutes though |
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| 19:59.35 | valdyn | Bogus8: aptitude can do at least parts of that |
| 19:59.37 | XTF | valdyn: Yes. |
| 19:59.40 | Seb | dunno what happened exacyl, was scorlling and then... this :> |
| 19:59.43 | valdyn | Bogus8: apt-get cannot to my knowledge |
| 19:59.53 | valdyn | XTF: why'd you need ide-generic then? |
| 19:59.54 | Bogus8 | Draconicus: I'm just saying that apt-get already gives a "suggested" and recommended... it should be able to shove those lines in with dependancies if you choose |
| 19:59.54 | XTF | valdyn: But I got my CDD on the normal controller, so I can't disable ide-generic. |
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| 20:00.05 | valdyn | XTF: oh |
| 20:00.10 | Bogus8 | valdyn: yuck I don't like aptitude :( |
| 20:00.18 | hool | EmleyMoor: it's very satisfying that when you need something faster you just get a new cpu, ram, mainboard and you have a fast current machine :) |
| 20:00.21 | tarzeau | shingouz: that's fine |
| 20:00.27 | valdyn | Bogus8: you dont have to use its gui, you can run it similar to apt-get |
| 20:00.33 | hool | "useful thing to have" boxes is deh shit |
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| 20:00.35 | wli | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/tetex-base_2.0.2c-8_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 20:00.35 | wli | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.40 | wli | this is aggravating me |
| 20:00.42 | tarzeau | shingouz: i've just polluted the ocean a few minutes ago |
| 20:00.50 | Draconicus | Bogus8: Perhaps. Oh well. I didn't write it. :P |
| 20:00.52 | Bogus8 | valdyn: ahh, i'll check out the man pages thanks |
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| 20:01.14 | Draconicus | valdyn: Ah. Well, I do, then. :P |
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| 20:01.20 | EmleyMoor | hool: Yes, quite good - however one of my suppliers no longer does k7 (!) |
| 20:01.28 | Bogus8 | Draconicus: just saying it wouldn't need a massive list.. just some code to move those lines from just being echo'd to being listed in the "install" section |
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| 20:02.23 | wli | So, what hit me? |
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| 20:02.49 | XTF | valdyn: Also, the entire kernel hangs just after unzipping if I don't put the drives in PIO mode (they can't do UDMA but they can do MW DMA). |
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| 20:02.52 | EmleyMoor | I hate not having spares for my mailserver |
| 20:03.01 | Draconicus | Bogus8: Possible. Quite possible. You could probably make some kind of simple script to do that or something... Maybe Synaptic has a feature like that... |
| 20:03.05 | WodanTJ | Hi! With woody i used to have dotdeb-packages for php5. Is there any other apt-repository for PHP5 for debian 3.1 at this moment? |
| 20:03.06 | schrankwand | hi, when i poer on a virtual machine with vmware, the colors on my first screen look very strange. what could be the reason? |
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| 20:03.35 | valdyn | XTF: sounds like kernel issues, cant debug the kernel for you. Maybe using a different one helps. |
| 20:03.38 | Draconicus | I dont know much about code (I'd learn, but I'm excessively lazy), but I know what can be done easily and what can't. |
| 20:03.38 | Bogus8 | Draconicus: yeah, just thinking about scripting it... but i think I know why... so many packages have suggestions it would be an endless list of stuff |
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| 20:04.18 | aficionado | Hi, I am planning on reinstalling linux... What all basic config files should I backup (other than kernel .config, XF86Config, fstab)? |
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| 20:04.22 | gtigene | How can I get module-init-tools 0.9.9 or greater? I tried apt-get install module-init-tools and I got 3.2-prel. |
| 20:04.27 | Draconicus | Bogus8: I'd look into Synaptic's stuff, although many packages are alternatives for others that are also suggested... |
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| 20:04.31 | ethics | !blacklisted |
| 20:04.39 | ethics | !blacklist |
| 20:04.39 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 20:04.41 | Bogus8 | Draconicus: I'm not using X here |
| 20:04.46 | valdyn | gtigene: that is alot greater than 0.9.9 |
| 20:04.48 | basti_ | i got a broken package. can't remove it, can't reinstall it. tried dpkg --force-all -r, didnt help |
| 20:04.49 | EmleyMoor | aficionado: What are you colnsidering reinstalling and why? |
| 20:04.53 | XTF | valdyn: It's both 2.4 and 2.6. |
| 20:05.11 | Draconicus | Bogus8: Ah. Well, I dunno then. If you have the chance, look into it, though. |
| 20:05.16 | basti_ | i would survive with it leaving its cruft where it is, just "forgetting" about it |
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| 20:05.29 | Draconicus | Since I have a newer kernel, do I need new source files? |
| 20:05.30 | aficionado | EmleyMoor: ah, just for a fun/fresh version :) |
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| 20:05.51 | hool | what was k7 now again? |
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| 20:05.55 | saabin | hello |
| 20:06.03 | valdyn | XTF: oh, if *any* kernel breaks then it may be related to h/w conflicts, to be possibly fixed in your bios or by switching pci slot(s) |
| 20:06.04 | saabin | help I am failing at tar /mydir/ mydir_file_and_subdirs.tar , never tarred before |
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| 20:06.17 | EmleyMoor | k7 = AMD Athlon/Duron/Sempron 32-bit |
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| 20:06.23 | wli | I can't figure out what the heck is going on with tetex-base |
| 20:06.31 | wli | I'd normally hack around it by fiddling with the package |
| 20:06.34 | gtigene | valdyn: The versions are so different it seems like something is wrong |
| 20:06.36 | glick | wow i forgot how much stuff i had on my server that hasnt been turned on in 2 years |
| 20:06.48 | wli | e.g. the stuff in /var/lib/dpkg/info etc. |
| 20:06.49 | EvanCarroll | Anyone know of a way to shotgun to broadband connections? |
| 20:06.53 | ethics | saabin, tar xvf foo |
| 20:06.54 | glick | like 50 gigs of software/movies and music |
| 20:06.59 | glick | all llegal of course :) |
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| 20:07.16 | aficionado | glick: :D |
| 20:07.19 | EvanCarroll | I have 600gb |
| 20:07.28 | jethro | !start a dick showing contest |
| 20:07.35 | aficionado | jethro: hahaha |
| 20:07.37 | ethics | 2.4tb |
| 20:07.43 | EvanCarroll | =[ |
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| 20:07.49 | aficionado | rofl ... =D |
| 20:07.49 | EvanCarroll | i'll get there eventually |
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| 20:07.58 | basti_ | any possibilities to ignore more than --force-all ignores in dpkg? |
| 20:08.00 | EmleyMoor | Wand-waving in here? Well I never! |
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| 20:08.02 | ethics | !win ethics |
| 20:08.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, ethics! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:08.18 | EvanCarroll | hahahahah |
| 20:08.32 | valdyn | basti_: if you have a need for this then you should consider fixing the problem. |
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| 20:08.37 | bobwJek | CAN someone please help me get SSL running for my apache2 |
| 20:08.37 | bobwJek | ?? |
| 20:08.53 | EvanCarroll | Anyone know how to combine -- shotgun, two broadband connections? |
| 20:09.00 | basti_ | valdyn: well i'm trying |
| 20:09.07 | basti_ | valdyn: i can't remove the package, i can't reinstall it |
| 20:09.11 | valdyn | basti_: --force-all isnt fixing |
| 20:09.14 | basti_ | valdyn: i know. |
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| 20:09.18 | jethro | bobwJek: the documentation on www.apache.org is fine. #apache folks may help too. |
| 20:09.35 | valdyn | basti_: look into the script where it breaks, fix it or 'shortcut' it |
| 20:09.39 | sparr_ | how does an initrd unmount itself from / so that the real / can be mounted? or does it even have to? |
| 20:09.42 | basti_ | okay. |
| 20:09.44 | basti_ | i'll try |
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| 20:10.09 | ethics | EvanCarroll, technical name BONDING google 8) |
| 20:10.10 | gtigene | Upgrading to kernel 2.6 I seem to need a program called generate_modprobe.conf. Has anyone heard of it and if so where can I find it or find out about it. |
| 20:10.12 | basti_ | valdyn: dpkg tells me the package is inconsistent, i should try to reinstall it before removing it |
| 20:10.24 | elias | where can I get a 4.x and a 5.x version of imagemagick for sarge? |
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| 20:10.28 | valdyn | basti_: sometimes a simple "exit 0" will do just what you need. |
| 20:10.30 | xoz | sparr_: it should umount, only one rootdir at a time |
| 20:10.42 | basti_ | valdyn: hmmm |
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| 20:10.48 | valdyn | basti_: but you really want to know what that package leaves behind if you shortcut a script like that. |
| 20:11.00 | ludi | why do I get this message when I apt-get dist-upgrade? The following packages have been kept back: |
| 20:11.00 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.08 | ethics | evan bonding interfaces linux maybe...#networking may be a good chance |
| 20:11.09 | valdyn | basti_: apt-get --reinstall <package> breaks how? |
| 20:11.15 | valdyn | basti_: apt-get --reinstall install <package> breaks how? |
| 20:11.24 | Draconicus | Valdyn: Since I have a new kernel, do I need new source files? |
| 20:11.32 | ethics | EvanCarroll, bonding interfaces linux maybe...#networking may be a good chance |
| 20:11.33 | basti_ | Reading package info from "/usr/lib/ghc-6.4/package.conflets/OpenGL.package.conf" ghc-pkg.bin: /usr/lib/ghc-6.4/package.conflets/OpenGL.package.conf: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory) |
| 20:11.42 | valdyn | Draconicus: usually all you need is the headers as I told you. |
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| 20:11.48 | basti_ | thats "pre-removal" |
| 20:11.51 | Draconicus | Valdyn: 'kay. |
| 20:11.51 | xoz | ludi: apt-get install those packages |
| 20:11.54 | gtigene | Does anyone know how to upgrade the scripts in /etc/modprobe.d for kernel 2.6? |
| 20:12.00 | shingouz | tarzeau: there is a big difference between cat and tac, never even thought to take a look at something called tac before. rtfm for me i think |
| 20:12.05 | ludi | xoz: why do I have to install them individually? |
| 20:12.07 | Virtual | ethics: same |
| 20:12.20 | jethro | ethics: you don't do bonding with cable modems |
| 20:12.21 | valdyn | Draconicus: some drivers ( that i would consider broken ), need more than headers, but that is quite rare. |
| 20:12.21 | infralite | sarge released? damn, i hope that's old news |
| 20:12.30 | azol | hi all. can apt-cdrom (apt-get) handle 2 dvdrom drives at once? |
| 20:12.30 | ethics | Virtual, the blacklisten in lsmod? |
| 20:12.50 | xoz | ludi: try it if you want some clue |
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| 20:13.07 | tarzeau | shingouz: tac | tac == cat |
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| 20:13.16 | Virtual | ethics: i810_audio is no longer there |
| 20:13.18 | jethro | EvanCarroll: try www.lartc.org |
| 20:13.19 | Draconicus | valdyn: Hmm... Every line in every script launched by the make file starts with either "error" or "warning". :P |
| 20:13.26 | sparr_ | is linux going to complain about my root filesystem not supporting permissions? |
| 20:13.31 | Draconicus | I'll try the "INSTALL" binary. |
| 20:13.39 | valdyn | Draconicus: which driver are you trying to compile? |
| 20:13.40 | Draconicus | They provide both. |
| 20:13.47 | shingouz | tarzeau: hm.. as i said, rtfm for me. again :) |
| 20:13.51 | zinx | sparr_: no. it won't work properly, though. |
| 20:13.59 | ethics | jethro, really ithought it was interface levelwhats the cable form ? |
| 20:14.00 | sparr_ | zinx: elaborate on that? |
| 20:14.07 | shingouz | s/rtfm/rtfm time |
| 20:14.18 | glick | hey is there any place where i can see what will be installed for different tasksels? |
| 20:14.26 | Draconicus | valdyn: A new cam driver from video4linux: spca5xx-20050601. |
| 20:14.31 | zinx | sparr_: there are a lot of things that need to have certain permissions |
| 20:14.32 | ethics | Virtual, ok lsmod in #flood again |
| 20:14.34 | tarzeau | glick: no, but i can assure you you don't want "Desktop" |
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| 20:14.39 | tarzeau | glick: it's GNOME and KDE! |
| 20:14.43 | Draconicus | Finally I'll be able to use my Creative Webcam NX Pro. |
| 20:14.44 | zinx | sparr_: shadow needs to not be readable, /tmp needs to have the sticky bit set, etc |
| 20:14.49 | XTF | valdyn: It's an onboard controller. What settings in the BIOS could change this? |
| 20:14.50 | glick | tarzeau, what if ytou choose server |
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| 20:14.54 | tarzeau | glick: you'll have to dig the source |
| 20:14.55 | glick | what does it install then? |
| 20:15.00 | tarzeau | glick: no idea! |
| 20:15.05 | zinx | sparr_: /tmp being wrong won't work, and some programs will refuse to load if their config files don't have sane permissions |
| 20:15.05 | tarzeau | glick: it's braindead |
| 20:15.06 | shingouz | Draconicus: is the spca5xx a deb already? |
| 20:15.09 | glick | i dont want gcc installed |
| 20:15.16 | tarzeau | glick: you want to use apt-get |
| 20:15.16 | valdyn | XTF: interrupt assignment |
| 20:15.17 | zinx | sparr_: shadow being readable is just a bad idea. |
| 20:15.18 | valdyn | XTF: interrupt assignments |
| 20:15.30 | basti_ | valdyn: it breaks in pre-removal with a missing file |
| 20:15.32 | valdyn | glick: man tasksel |
| 20:15.53 | sparr_ | damn |
| 20:15.56 | zinx | sparr_: also, there are some programs that need suid to function properly; without permissions, they won't be |
| 20:15.57 | valdyn | basti_: yea, i saw, you could grab the package file and dpkg -x it and look for that file |
| 20:16.03 | basti_ | hmm |
| 20:16.06 | zinx | sparr_: i'm sure the list goes on |
| 20:16.10 | sparr_ | is there any filesystem that windows (including wince) can read natively that supports linux-friendly permissions? |
| 20:16.11 | jum | hi all, I installed sarge on a msi KT880 with software raid. now when the system starts it tells me: invalid argument while trying to open /dev/md0 |
| 20:16.12 | Draconicus | shingouz: I don't think so... It just came out within the past month or so. There's a binary in the archive I downloaded, but I don't know of a .deb file, and it's certainly not a package. |
| 20:16.12 | valdyn | basti_: or you could hack the pre-removal script.. |
| 20:16.18 | zinx | sparr_: use umsdos if there's absolutely no way to use a real filesystem |
| 20:16.24 | valdyn | basti_: have you checked he bts for this? |
| 20:16.31 | xoz | basti_: create a blank file with the same name in that dir... just fool the script |
| 20:16.33 | zinx | sparr_: but be aware it's *EXTREMELY SLOW*, and that's an understatement. |
| 20:16.37 | basti_ | bts? |
| 20:16.44 | Draconicus | Err.. a package from the main server... thing. |
| 20:16.47 | valdyn | !tell basti_ about bts |
| 20:16.54 | basti_ | xoz: apparently there's some information inside that file |
| 20:16.55 | zinx | sparr_: there should be no reason at all for windows to need to read the root filesystem |
| 20:16.56 | jethro | EvanCarroll: http://www.lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html I think it's what you're looking for. |
| 20:17.01 | shingouz | Draconicus: i did my driver out of source when i redid my kernel. works pretty well even if it cannot stay on for more than about three or four hours at a time |
| 20:17.23 | basti_ | valdyn: this was rather my own fault, confusion of manually installed and dpkg installed packages |
| 20:17.32 | xoz | basti_: just replace it with the new install |
| 20:17.40 | Draconicus | shingouz: Well... that's not much fun. :| |
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| 20:17.44 | sparr_ | zinx: im putting linux on a pda. if i make the whole cf card vfat/fat16 then linux wont work. if i make it ext2 then windows cant read it. if i partition the drive then i have to be clarivoyant to decide how much space for each |
| 20:17.58 | valdyn | basti_: xoz suggestion might work too |
| 20:18.02 | basti_ | xoz: i can't, if i try, the new install tries to remove the old one first |
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| 20:18.08 | zinx | sparr_: either partition it or use umsdos |
| 20:18.13 | basti_ | and then complains this wouldnt work |
| 20:18.15 | zinx | sparr_: and don't complain when it's slow as balls |
| 20:18.16 | shingouz | Draconicus: compiling kernels? no but i need a few pathces for it to work and debian does not have them so i do not have a lot of choice |
| 20:18.26 | xoz | basti_: back it up first and restore later |
| 20:18.28 | zinx | sparr_: just remember that you chose for it to be that slow :P |
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| 20:18.44 | Draconicus | shingouz: I meant the fact that the driver won't live very long.. |
| 20:18.45 | valdyn | basti_: i would however just shortcut the pre-removal script, then reinstall and purge and install again |
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| 20:18.52 | zinx | sparr_: FWIW, there are ext2 drivers for windows |
| 20:18.57 | MrBallZ | what is the command to check the apt-get cache for a certain package? |
| 20:18.57 | basti_ | how do i do that? i dont find the script |
| 20:18.57 | shingouz | Draconicus: true. not that i want to have it on all the time |
| 20:19.05 | xoz | basti_: apt-get remove <old> ... apt-get install <new> |
| 20:19.14 | Draconicus | Hey, um.. anyone else have a problem with FireFox eating over 100MB of memory even when idle? |
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| 20:19.19 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: apt-cache show ? search ? |
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| 20:19.29 | WodanTJ | Draconicus: just in case a big pr0n site comes along |
| 20:19.29 | valdyn | basti_: cd /var/lib/dpkg/methlock |
| 20:19.32 | basti_ | xoz: i can't remove the package, thats the problem |
| 20:19.32 | valdyn | basti_: cd /var/lib/dpkg/methods/ |
| 20:19.34 | bobwJek | anyone have any idea what needs to be done to enable ssl in apache2, i already created the sym links in mods-enabled |
| 20:19.37 | Draconicus | shingouz: Yeah, but it's nice to be able to have it load on boot for convenience. |
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| 20:19.48 | Rickyx | Why is non-free tree not being updated ? Does anyone know ? |
| 20:19.48 | xoz | Draconicus: yep.. specially if you go to some sites that has leaky scripting |
| 20:19.52 | zinx | Draconicus: add more swap |
| 20:19.53 | EmleyMoor | Oh heck! Why would *ALL* my downloads be stopping at about the same point? |
| 20:20.14 | MrBallZ | tarzeau , let me try |
| 20:20.26 | Draconicus | zinx: My harddrive is small enough as it is. I need a bigger one. 40 gigs can only go so far. |
| 20:20.41 | EmleyMoor | Can I have something *small* to act as a recovery disk? |
| 20:20.53 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: a dvd? |
| 20:20.54 | MrBallZ | for example, i want to see the packages that i have in cache, that start with aim ... how is the command ? |
| 20:20.55 | xoz | basti_: remove it manually... remove the files for that package in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ .... and remove its info in /var/lib/dpkg/status... then install the new one |
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| 20:21.08 | zinx | EmleyMoor: how small, to recover what, and why? |
| 20:21.11 | basti_ | hmm |
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| 20:21.12 | basti_ | k |
| 20:21.21 | bucky | EmleyMoor, the install medium |
| 20:21.23 | HeavenWarrior | someone to help with sound |
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| 20:21.30 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: apt-cache pkgnames | grep ^aim ? |
| 20:21.33 | valdyn | !tell HeavenWarrior about ask |
| 20:21.35 | jethro | !irritate bobwJek |
| 20:21.38 | EmleyMoor | valdyn: I was thinking more small in volume, to allow me to install grub on my new hard disk because my system is down |
| 20:21.39 | xoz | basti_: less /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pack.list> ... to know the location of files it uses and remove them also |
| 20:21.40 | dpkg | bobwJek: wenas who uses kde ???/ |
| 20:21.46 | MrBallZ | let me try |
| 20:21.54 | tarzeau | HeavenWarrior: noone can read mind |
| 20:21.55 | EmleyMoor | bucky: I don't know if medium will be small enough <g> |
| 20:21.59 | beardy | EmleyMoor: tomsrtbt, if you can chroot and use the grub on your drive, if that's what you are trying to do.. |
| 20:22.00 | jlj__ | would a preemptive kernel interfere with APM and/or pcmcia? I tried to upgrade an rather old laptop from 2.4 to 2.6 but it didn't seem to work too well (apm behaved strangely and pcmcia was unstable) |
| 20:22.05 | Draconicus | I'd like to have FireFox limited mainly to swap and less to immediate physical memory. I think it gets pushed aside anyway, if that's how the memory management works, though. |
| 20:22.07 | basti_ | hah! |
| 20:22.10 | basti_ | thanks a lot guys |
| 20:22.17 | bucky | emley make a grub floppy |
| 20:22.17 | basti_ | that was working now |
| 20:22.22 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: 'grub-install /dev/fd0' is quick to do, useful only if you know to quickly hack in the boot lines in grubs shell |
| 20:22.25 | xoz | basti_: it is just a matter of doing the manual removal if you can't afford to hack the script |
| 20:22.29 | basti_ | "exit 0" didnt help, there was another problem |
| 20:22.30 | zinx | Draconicus: it does |
| 20:22.41 | jethro | lsmod |
| 20:22.43 | basti_ | but taking away all the scripts made me able to remove |
| 20:22.44 | EmleyMoor | No floppy drive available at the moment |
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| 20:22.52 | xoz | basti_: of course |
| 20:23.00 | Draconicus | zinx: Alrighty. Good. |
| 20:23.00 | EmleyMoor | I need someth#ing on CD, smaller than 97Mb |
| 20:23.14 | HeavenWarrior | i've 2-6-11 kernel, debian sarge, installed alsa-base alsa-utils - i've runned once the sound via alsaconf, but after a reboot there's no more sound, i've tried again alsaconf some times but no luck |
| 20:23.15 | MrBallZ | ok ... new question , fo Aol Instan messenger, wich client its better, the one from AOL or ... Gaim, or ???/ |
| 20:23.32 | valdyn | basti_: now stale stuff may be around so puring the package once *might* fix that, i cant know. |
| 20:23.37 | Draconicus | Anyone mind helping me with this angry makefile? I'll need analysis via #flood, most likely. |
| 20:23.38 | crashbg | how can i achieve file and directory completion when using mc??? TAB doesn't work :PP |
| 20:23.40 | beardy | EmleyMoor: Did you try the url I pasted to you? (it's over 97 MB though.. :) around 100 if I remember correctly) |
| 20:23.44 | valdyn | s/puring/purging/ |
| 20:23.52 | xoz | HeavenWarrior: lsmod ... check the alsa drivers... place them in /etc/modules |
| 20:24.00 | basti_ | valdyn: i reinstalled it, so the new stuff should have overwritten the old stuff |
| 20:24.16 | Draconicus | Is there a !punctuate ? |
| 20:24.30 | xoz | basti_: or use dpkg --force-all <pack.deb> |
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| 20:24.46 | EmleyMoor | beardy: Yes, and it's *because* it's over 97Mb I've diagnosed that I need something smaller |
| 20:24.56 | valdyn | basti_: yea, i think thats true |
| 20:24.56 | EmleyMoor | The download is just freezing at that level |
| 20:25.37 | beardy | EmleyMoor: You can burn tomsrtbt as an booting cd. |
| 20:25.56 | pusling | yeah! Finally unstable is unstable again! (What is the fun in using a unstable if no problems ;) |
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| 20:26.42 | wli | Any clues *AT ALL* wrt. what exploded in tetex-base? |
| 20:26.45 | xoz | unstable is stable... it's just that you are upgrading during the time that unstable is being stablize :) |
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| 20:27.04 | ribnitz | pusling: but testing is no longer. no phun. no phrills. |
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| 20:27.22 | priest | is it posible to log the activity on scp-connections? |
| 20:27.31 | robert | for some reason, when I install sarge, it doesn't auto detect my DHCP settings, but i've installed Ubuntu (debian based) and it detects them perfectly. any ideas? |
| 20:27.33 | xoz | priest: use script |
| 20:27.35 | crashbg | EmleyMoor???broken firedox? |
| 20:27.52 | priest | xoz: what script? |
| 20:27.54 | pusling | xoz: sure ;) |
| 20:27.56 | shingouz | Draconicus: still futzing with the spca? |
| 20:28.05 | xoz | priest: man script |
| 20:28.07 | MrBallZ | ok ... new question , fo Aol Instan messenger, wich client its better, the one from AOL or ... Gaim, or ???/ |
| 20:28.09 | Draconicus | shingouz: Yes. Quite so. |
| 20:28.15 | EmleyMoor | crashbg: It's funny that whether I try the netinst cd or the one I was pointed to, the download stops at 97Mb |
| 20:28.16 | ribnitz | robert: set them manually |
| 20:28.18 | robert | MrBallZ: gaim, of course |
| 20:28.24 | Draconicus | shingouz: Tis a stream of errors and nothing else. |
| 20:28.31 | robert | ribnitz: which files, I assume I can just copy them over from Ubuntu? |
| 20:28.40 | crashbg | EmleyMoor, i can't download movies from my local server (10MB/s) with firefox |
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| 20:28.41 | MrBallZ | robert, any other ... ? |
| 20:28.44 | ribnitz | robert: you cant. |
| 20:28.46 | xoz | pusling: really... i never had problem with unstable... it is about *timing* |
| 20:29.00 | crashbg | EmleyMoor, i can d/l with Conqueror... |
| 20:29.03 | jum | hi all, I have problems with my raid1 on 2 sata drives. on start up the system tells me: invalid argument while trying to open /dev/md0 |
| 20:29.06 | pusling | xoz: unstable needs upgrading every day ;) |
| 20:29.12 | shingouz | Draconicus: make the kernel, dpkg -i it, reboot, enter the spca directory, make, make install, (maybe another reboot), plug in camera, have fun |
| 20:29.16 | ribnitz | robert: or rather: you shouldnt if you want a "reasonably stable" system. |
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| 20:29.21 | crashbg | it just stops at 300MB... |
| 20:29.32 | robert | it's been a while since I've used nix, and don't remember which config files. used to run three rhel servers for work, but I just have no idea anymore =/ |
| 20:29.39 | Draconicus | shingouz: Make the kernel?! Ack. x.x |
| 20:29.40 | glick | hey whats a good blog system? |
| 20:29.48 | robert | that was a couple years ago and haven't touched linux since |
| 20:29.50 | Draconicus | I didn't want to have to compile it... |
| 20:29.50 | xoz | pusling: let other upgrade first and if the noise level is low, upgrade ;) |
| 20:29.57 | xoz | *others |
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| 20:30.28 | abydos | it still wants to use the onboard sound. |
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| 20:30.36 | xoz | priest: ah, use a firewall |
| 20:31.01 | robert | ribnitz: Any ideas why it wouldn't auto detect the config but Ubuntu would? |
| 20:31.11 | xoz | priest: you can try guarddog (kde) to trace/log scp connections |
| 20:31.19 | ribnitz | robert: timeout settings probably. |
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| 20:31.45 | robert | ribnitz: so which files do I need to edit? |
| 20:31.52 | Draconicus | shingouz: Merf. Well, how difficult and costly will compiling the kernel be? |
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| 20:32.25 | ribnitz | robert: /etc/dhclient..? |
| 20:32.26 | priest | xoz: but i can't see which files they access via iptables log, right? |
| 20:32.29 | shingouz | Draconicus: not too difficult is how i see it and when it comes to costly.. depends on how much the $PHB pays you |
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| 20:32.39 | robert | ribnitz: like I said... I haven't used linux in two years |
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| 20:32.51 | xoz | priest: nope. |
| 20:32.54 | ludi | I need to know how to switch from unstable to etch ! |
| 20:33.00 | Draconicus | shingouz: By costly I mean how likely it is for it to mess up existing installations. |
| 20:33.04 | shingouz | Draconicus: you could try getting just the kernel headers for your specific kernel and compile the module against them, not sure |
| 20:33.12 | ribnitz | robert: for first time install, set them manually. |
| 20:33.20 | robert | ok |
| 20:33.20 | priest | xoz: ok..so i change my question hehe..is there a way to log file-access via a scp-server? |
| 20:33.27 | robert | well, the system is already installed |
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| 20:33.33 | Draconicus | shingouz: I already have them... |
| 20:33.42 | Draconicus | shingouz: I think. |
| 20:33.46 | xoz | priest: that's clear :) but i have no answer |
| 20:33.48 | Fleck | how can i set user, to be able to create dirs in / ? |
| 20:33.55 | shingouz | Draconicus: no, may be that you need to redo the kernel because of some missing driver but the installs are not screwed up |
| 20:33.58 | Bogus8 | how do i get alsa to work on my system (it was working but I just reinstalled and now it's not) |
| 20:34.00 | Fleck | for example with nonroot user mkdir /blaa |
| 20:34.12 | deadcat | Fleck: you dont. |
| 20:34.36 | Fleck | deadcat why not |
| 20:34.37 | deadcat | Fleck: either you do that yourself as root or give them root. |
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| 20:34.40 | shingouz | Draconicus: can i scoot outside to pollute the air for a few minutes? |
| 20:34.56 | deadcat | Fleck: or chmod 1777 / if you dare |
| 20:34.56 | Draconicus | shingouz: Sure. I didn't have the headers after all. :P |
| 20:34.57 | ludi | How do I switch from unstable to etch? |
| 20:35.03 | ribnitz | robert: so you should ask where the timeout can be configured.. |
| 20:35.10 | deadcat | ludi: you dont. it will fuck you up |
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| 20:35.13 | ribnitz | ludi: you dont. |
| 20:35.29 | deadcat | ludi: thats what you get for going unstable when you dont know what the f is going on. |
| 20:35.33 | robert | ribnitz: i assumed /etc/dhclient |
| 20:35.43 | deadcat | ludi: now you regret eh? |
| 20:35.43 | shingouz | Draconicus: apt-get them and try to make the module after you have them. if that does not work there is not a lot of a choice. i can talk you through it though |
| 20:35.45 | ludi | there's got to be a way |
| 20:35.47 | robert | guess not? ;) |
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| 20:35.54 | deadcat | ludi: google and lots of pain. |
| 20:35.58 | Draconicus | shingouz: I shall. |
| 20:35.59 | xoz | priest: what about rsync server? |
| 20:35.59 | ludi | argghh |
| 20:36.00 | ribnitz | robert: look in that direcory, there should be a file called dhclient.conf or similar. |
| 20:36.07 | shingouz | Draconicus: bbiab |
| 20:36.19 | deadcat | ludi: you can dpkg --get-selections > file |
| 20:36.32 | ribnitz | robert: I have static ips no dhcp. |
| 20:36.35 | priest | xoz: no..i want scp :) |
| 20:36.36 | deadcat | lunaphyte: then remove all packages except the base, then downgrade base. dont know if that will work or not. |
| 20:36.45 | Draconicus | GASP! It's working. |
| 20:36.45 | Draconicus | :D |
| 20:36.59 | deadcat | s/lunaphyte/ludi/ |
| 20:37.01 | robert | ribnitz: comcast only assigns static IPs to business customers |
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| 20:37.08 | Virtual | how do I add a user to a group ? |
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| 20:37.17 | deadcat | Virtual: adduser user group |
| 20:37.28 | xoz | priest: rsync server can log file access and you can use ssh protocol just like scp |
| 20:37.50 | katoc | hi |
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| 20:38.02 | ribnitz | robert: oh. we are talking "dumb modem" here :) |
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| 20:38.03 | tarzeau | hello katoc , i warn you, don't ask ubuntu stuff here |
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| 20:38.21 | deadcat | tarzeau: hahaha. nice |
| 20:38.21 | ludi | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ shows 14 ISO files. Why are there 14 CDs for Debian? How many do I need? |
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| 20:38.34 | deadcat | ludi: just the netinstall |
| 20:38.40 | zinx | ludi: you only need the netinstall cd |
| 20:38.41 | robert | heh |
| 20:38.49 | priest | xoz: is there a good windows-client for rsync, like winscp? |
| 20:38.52 | tarzeau | ludi: it's possible to do entirely without a cd |
| 20:38.52 | ribnitz | ludi: one, the netinstall. |
| 20:38.55 | ludi | what if I want to install on a system with no internet connection |
| 20:38.57 | tarzeau | priest: rsync |
| 20:38.59 | zinx | ludi: there are 14 CDs because that's how much space the binary packages that are part of debian take up |
| 20:39.14 | deadcat | tarzeau: on ppc you can. dont know about x86 |
| 20:39.14 | EmleyMoor | ludi: There are thousands of packages. If you have a cheap Internet connection, you only need the netinst CD |
| 20:39.18 | tarzeau | ludi: spend your time in a better way instead |
| 20:39.20 | katoc | of course!!... im just come to greeting!! hello everybody!! :D |
| 20:39.22 | Draconicus | Well... no errors... Perhaps it worked. o.o |
| 20:39.29 | xoz | !search google about rsync windows client |
| 20:39.33 | zinx | ludi: how much you needs depends on what you want, then.. the most popular packages are on the lower CDs.. but you should try to get some place with internet to do the install |
| 20:39.34 | tarzeau | deadcat: you can, what? |
| 20:39.36 | dpkg | Google says about rsync windows client is at http://kennethhunt.com/archives/001173.html or http://www.samag.com/documents/s=9338/sam0410a/0410a.htm or http://www.linuxexposed.com/Articles/General/Automate-Backups-on-Network-Using-RSync.html or http://www.linuxexposed.com/Articles/General/Automate-Backups-on-Network-Using-RSync-4.html or http://www.bsdnews.org/02/rsync_windows.php |
| 20:39.46 | katoc | bye |
| 20:39.46 | robert | well, brb |
| 20:39.48 | deadcat | tarzeau: medialess install on ppc |
| 20:39.50 | ribnitz | ludi: there are quite a few packages, plus there's the sources. |
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| 20:39.59 | xoz | priest: ^^^^ |
| 20:40.01 | zinx | ribnitz: i think the sources take up a lot more |
| 20:40.05 | tarzeau | deadcat: you can do the same with i386, sparc, mips, alpha, hp-parisc too |
| 20:40.13 | priest | xoz: ;) |
| 20:40.15 | deadcat | tarzeau: cool. how? |
| 20:40.15 | priest | thanks |
| 20:40.19 | tarzeau | deadcat: deadcat netboot/netinstall |
| 20:40.26 | tarzeau | deadcat: www.linuks.mine.nu/helpers/tftpboot/ |
| 20:40.36 | ribnitz | deadcat: netboot. Only requires a harddisk. |
| 20:40.37 | deadcat | tarzeau: oh... networkboot |
| 20:40.50 | pureone | http://www.something.com/ |
| 20:40.52 | glick | anyone know what a good blogger is? |
| 20:40.57 | tarzeau | glick: not me |
| 20:41.08 | deadcat | pureone: stop spamming |
| 20:41.24 | tarzeau | ribnitz blow ? |
| 20:41.29 | deadcat | HAHAH |
| 20:41.51 | ribnitz | tarzeau: no, no blows from me. |
| 20:42.53 | deadcat | ^^ moron |
| 20:43.13 | EmleyMoor | "One has quit" - makes him sound Royal (!) |
| 20:43.22 | deadcat | EmleyMoor: hahah |
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| 20:43.42 | ribnitz | tarzeau: got any spare ubuntu cds? |
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| 20:43.50 | tarzeau | ribnitz: yeah, at www.lug-ag.ch |
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| 20:44.00 | tarzeau | ribnitz: nobody wanted them! |
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| 20:44.07 | tarzeau | ribnitz: and i was sent them without wanting them |
| 20:44.16 | ribnitz | tarzeau: freak :) |
| 20:44.23 | tarzeau | my people prefer real stuff like livecd.gnustep.org |
| 20:44.27 | dfinn | after upgrading sarge to etch what should the entry in my /etc/debian_version look like? |
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| 20:44.42 | tarzeau | dfinn: same as before |
| 20:44.45 | Bogus8 | is there really no kernel package higher than 2.6.8-2 for x86? |
| 20:44.52 | ribnitz | dfinn: everwhere it said sarge it now says etch. |
| 20:44.56 | streuner | !etch |
| 20:44.56 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
| 20:44.59 | ribnitz | V |
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| 20:45.10 | ribnitz | Bogus8: 2.6.11 in sid |
| 20:45.13 | deadcat | Bogus8: 2.6.10 or .11 in sid |
| 20:45.20 | dfinn | i read through that and it didn't mention anything about whether it's 3.2 or not |
| 20:45.30 | Bogus8 | how do I go about getting that in to 3.1 stable? |
| 20:45.30 | dfinn | or 3.4 |
| 20:45.32 | streuner | or etch |
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| 20:45.41 | deadcat | Bogus8: wget it |
| 20:45.43 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 20:45.43 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 20:45.45 | streuner | Bogus8: 2.6.11 is in testing/etch |
| 20:45.46 | ribnitz | dfinn: "etch" |
| 20:45.46 | gtigene | I have read the README's, gone to the kernel.org site, followed instructions and done it the Debian Way. But my new kernel is still broken. What can I do? |
| 20:45.49 | flosch | !b00n |
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| 20:45.53 | flosch | :> |
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| 20:46.09 | ribnitz | gtigene: get the kernel-image? |
| 20:46.18 | cbr | where are the names "sarge" and "etch" from? |
| 20:46.23 | dfinn | toy story |
| 20:46.24 | tarzeau | cbr: toy story |
| 20:46.27 | cbr | why? |
| 20:46.30 | dfinn | why not |
| 20:46.41 | cbr | dunno.. there has to be some reason |
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| 20:46.47 | EmleyMoor | buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch, sid |
| 20:46.49 | tarzeau | cbr: the films are cool |
| 20:46.50 | ribnitz | dfinn: debian releases have names, not numbers. |
| 20:46.50 | deadcat | cbr: wheres the stupid name fedora come from? why? what about freakin hoary? |
| 20:46.53 | tarzeau | cbr: and the toy names too |
| 20:47.05 | tarzeau | deadcat: UBUNTO! LOLZ |
| 20:47.23 | deadcat | hehe. |
| 20:47.23 | dfinn | ribnitz: I understand that, but there is also a number to go along with each release. cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:47.27 | cbr | deadcat: no friggin idea |
| 20:47.37 | deadcat | and what the fuck is XP? where that shit come from? |
| 20:47.45 | EmleyMoor | Undecided as yet |
| 20:47.48 | jum | I always have to use (sarge 3.1 2.6 kernel via chipset) mdadm --assemble --scan an then mout /dev/md0 in order to use my raid1 on 2 sata (sda1 sdb1). on start up the system always tells me thait cannot access /dev/md0. is it possible that the driver for sata is loaded after the check? |
| 20:47.50 | cbr | who was etch? |
| 20:47.54 | ribnitz | dfinn: "3.1 is sarch, etch hasnt been decided yet." |
| 20:47.58 | tarzeau | cbr: see google pictures |
| 20:47.59 | EmleyMoor | etch-a-sketch |
| 20:48.00 | zinx | cbr: the etch-o-sketch, dude |
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| 20:48.07 | streuner | deadcat: expired problem? |
| 20:48.10 | atbash | i did an apt-get dist-upgrade (from sid) and now my gnome-panel is removed, i cannot install it again because of unmet dependencies, is there a way i can solve this or will this issue be resolved automatically when sid gets more or less stable again |
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| 20:48.12 | cbr | never seen toy story :p |
| 20:48.13 | gtigene | ribnitz: Thanks for your suggestion. |
| 20:48.22 | tarzeau | cbr: you should |
| 20:48.32 | HeavenWarrior | i've added alsa modules token by lsmod and put them in /etc/modules - now what? |
| 20:48.32 | deadcat | streuner: i guess. i was going with eXtreme Porn |
| 20:48.40 | ribnitz | gtigene: need anything special? |
| 20:48.40 | dfinn | ribnitz: when you say "sarch" do you mean sarge or is "sarch" not a word i'm familiar with |
| 20:48.43 | streuner | deadcat: hehe :-) |
| 20:48.56 | ribnitz | dfinn: "sarge" |
| 20:49.01 | streuner | deadcat: thats not a OS Problem i think ;-) |
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| 20:49.07 | streuner | s/a/an/ |
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| 20:49.11 | deadcat | streuner: hehe. |
| 20:49.14 | Bogus8 | deadcat or streuner do I grab the tar.gz of it from the bottom of the page in the package list section of the site? |
| 20:49.48 | deadcat | Bogus8: no. packages.debian.org search for 2.6.11 under testing or unstable. wget it. then dpkg -i kernelimage*.deb |
| 20:49.54 | deadcat | something like that. |
| 20:49.56 | xoz | HeavenWarrior: it will be automatically loaded during reboot |
| 20:50.04 | Bogus8 | deadcat: fedora is the type of hat that is in the red hat logo... actually kind of clever |
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| 20:50.14 | Evil_Homer | atbash, same problem here, just have to wait a little :p |
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| 20:50.30 | streuner | Bogus8: or just upgrade to testing as deadcat already mentioned... |
| 20:50.30 | shingouz | atbash: you did a dist-upgrade from sid? what was the target you were aiming for? |
| 20:50.44 | Evil_Homer | super-sid ^^ |
| 20:50.45 | atbash | Evil_Homer: ok, i will |
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| 20:50.47 | Draconicus | Wow. Nifty. The new kernel also correctly detects /dev/hdd :D |
| 20:50.57 | atbash | shingouz: gnome 2.10 :-) |
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| 20:51.29 | deadcat | atbash: working in sid? |
| 20:51.31 | shingouz | atbash: what was the release you were running in the first place? |
| 20:51.38 | xoz | atbash: gnome is inc in sid... wait for a day or two before gnome packs become complete again |
| 20:51.46 | atbash | shingouz: sid |
| 20:51.49 | hool | so im following this guide for nvidia. |
| 20:51.54 | shingouz | atbash: and it is now? |
| 20:52.07 | hool | and stuff doesn't happen like they're s'posed to |
| 20:52.08 | deadcat | hool: the "nvidia one-liner" factoid? |
| 20:52.14 | atbash | shingouz: define 'it' |
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| 20:52.22 | gtigene | ribnitz: Where do I get the kernel image? |
| 20:52.31 | shingouz | atbash: the version. sid? experimental? |
| 20:52.31 | Evil_Homer | it's just that the gnome-core package for 2.10 isn't ready yet |
| 20:52.34 | hool | the "Nivia-howto" |
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| 20:52.40 | deadcat | gtigene: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 20:52.45 | atbash | shingouz: sid |
| 20:52.48 | deadcat | !tell hool about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:52.52 | hool | nvidia gforce.. foe sale.. cheap |
| 20:52.55 | Virtual | how can I disable arts? |
| 20:52.58 | gtigene | deadcat: Thank you. |
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| 20:53.04 | streuner | Evil_Homer: GNOME is biiigggg |
| 20:53.07 | xoz | Virtual: kill it |
| 20:53.19 | streuner | Evil_Homer: so its needs some time to upload all packages... |
| 20:53.33 | Evil_Homer | did I say i didn't have time? :) |
| 20:53.34 | hool | deadcat: one in one line including $$` |
| 20:53.39 | shingouz | atbash: you used dist-upgrade in a totally wrong place. sid is bad for you |
| 20:53.43 | Evil_Homer | terminal works fine for me to, so no problem |
| 20:53.45 | Evil_Homer | :p |
| 20:53.45 | deadcat | ya. aint like those small ass window managers. 1 small package.. done (= |
| 20:53.46 | glick | hey by default were does apache serve webpages from? |
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| 20:53.56 | ribnitz | gtigene: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?exact=0&searchon=names&version=all&case=insensitive&release=all&keywords=kernel-image-2.6&arch=any take the one you like most. |
| 20:54.00 | deadcat | hool: follow the instruction from dpkg |
| 20:54.07 | Virtual | isn`t there a option to disable arts from control panel or something? |
| 20:54.08 | streuner | Evil_Homer: there are window-managers as well ;-) |
| 20:54.11 | MrBallZ | anyone knows how in GAIM, to disable that everytime i get a message , the message window pops up , instead i just want for it to be in the taskbar .... |
| 20:54.25 | xoz | shingouz: dist-upgrade for sid is not the problem. |
| 20:54.29 | hool | deadcat: i do not understand the instructions from dpkg and i have teried that before |
| 20:54.30 | samuel | not really a debian question, but i havnt found the answer on google: ive two network interfaces, is there any way to use a firestarter firewall on both? |
| 20:54.33 | Evil_Homer | i know i know, metacity i still running, there aren't any panels atm, so no prob |
| 20:54.47 | deadcat | hool: when you see &&, means next command |
| 20:54.47 | hool | i have apted all that stuff.. but i do something wrong somewhare |
| 20:54.48 | shingouz | xoz: no, that is not the biggest problem, that i know |
| 20:54.54 | atbash | shingouz: and why is that? |
| 20:55.01 | streuner | Evil_Homer: apt-get install pypanel |
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| 20:55.09 | samuel | one wired, the other wireless - both are not on at the same time, but they swith around quite often |
| 20:55.22 | xoz | shingouz: dist-upgrade is ok in sid. |
| 20:55.28 | Evil_Homer | nah, don't need anything :) i'll just wait a couple days till gnome-core is ready :p |
| 20:55.34 | shingouz | atbash: you are on sid, you should know what you install and what the bugs are |
| 20:55.57 | deadcat | some funny ass screenshots here: http://freeshell.org/index.cgi?deskshots |
| 20:56.14 | deadcat | especially the windows machines (= |
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| 20:56.21 | xoz | atbash: apt-listbugs |
| 20:56.24 | glick | where does apache server the pages from? |
| 20:56.33 | glick | im thinking of how to partition the disk of a webserver |
| 20:56.44 | deadcat | glick: /var/www |
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| 20:57.06 | atbash | xoz: apt-listbugs is installed of course, it didn't mention the problem when i upgraded |
| 20:57.57 | streuner | deadcat: http://www.1024x768wallpapers.com/ |
| 20:58.01 | binaryc | glick , you can chage it but it think it starts as /var/www |
| 20:58.01 | atbash | but no problem, i'll just wait a few days, thx anyway |
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| 20:58.04 | xoz | glick: /var/lib/www |
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| 20:58.28 | hool | "m-a-a-i" ?? |
| 20:58.40 | glick | so for a machine that will be a webserver for now, and maybe a ssh fileserver later, that has 150 gigs should i dedicate 6gigs for root, and 6 gigs for /var and leave the rest unpartitioned? |
| 20:58.52 | Evil_Homer | atbash, i c you're from belgium > gnome-core is almost uploaded to the server, the packagelist is already updated |
| 20:59.02 | xoz | atbash: if you use sid, try using alternative wm like fluxbox or openbox... in case gnome borks |
| 20:59.07 | Evil_Homer | belnet server that is, atbash |
| 20:59.10 | deadcat | hool: m-a a-i |
| 20:59.11 | shingouz | hool: module-assistant |
| 20:59.31 | deadcat | streuner: nice. but i use 1280x1024 on the desktop machine. |
| 20:59.37 | beardy | glick: That is for you to decide, noone else knows how big you're files are, or what you are going to use your webserver for. |
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| 20:59.49 | xoz | glick: or enable lvm so that you can expand/contract your disks |
| 21:00.13 | binaryc | i borked gnome , i tried an alternative wm, i rembmer why hate icewm and decided to just use terminal untill gnome is back, bitchx is virtual terminal 7 |
| 21:00.16 | atbash | xoz: i can live a few days with gnome the way it is now ;-) |
| 21:00.17 | binaryc | sucks i can't read slashdot ! |
| 21:00.18 | tarzeau | atbash: or gnustep/wmaker |
| 21:00.26 | hool | deadcat: shingouz thanx |
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| 21:00.30 | atbash | Evil_Homer: thx for the tip |
| 21:00.31 | tarzeau | binaryc: links2 -g also works without X |
| 21:00.43 | Evil_Homer | np atbash |
| 21:00.44 | hool | can't you tell? ;) |
| 21:00.48 | EvanCarroll | binaryc: bitchx is a shitty irc client |
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| 21:00.54 | xoz | atbash: circumcised gnome :) |
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| 21:01.05 | MobyTurbo | irssi > bitchx |
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| 21:01.13 | binaryc | EvanCarroll - X chat doesn't work without the X |
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| 21:01.22 | deadcat | streuner: no point if i cant download the images.. that suck. |
| 21:01.22 | Evil_Homer | xoz, it's more like lobotomy-gnome or something at the moment :p |
| 21:01.27 | EvanCarroll | binaryc: what does that have to do with anything |
| 21:01.27 | xoz | irssi >>>>>> bitchx |
| 21:01.36 | streuner | deadcat: yep |
| 21:01.39 | zinx | binaryc: actually, it does.. or at least did.. |
| 21:01.45 | zinx | binaryc: that's not to say it works -well-, but it does work |
| 21:01.50 | atbash | xoz: hehe, idd, but also circumcised things work, although less pleasure, or not? ;-) |
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| 21:02.03 | streuner | deadcat: i dunno, but i think you need to register first |
| 21:02.08 | deadcat | streuner: then dont temp me to the site (=.. now i want that jennifer garner wallpaper (=. |
| 21:02.19 | zinx | binaryc: see the xchat-text package |
| 21:02.47 | xoz | Evil_Homer: yeah... atbash.. maybe more pleasure 8| |
| 21:02.51 | binaryc | zinx- ehh shitty bitchx is fine for the next few days, when i am too lazy to go downstairs and use the stable boxx i didn't bork |
| 21:02.52 | MobyTurbo | binaryc: if you like emacs there is erc |
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| 21:03.28 | xoz | emacs? eeew |
| 21:03.37 | Ungy | nano |
| 21:03.42 | Ungy | nanoo |
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| 21:04.13 | MobyTurbo | well, I prefer irssi to erc, but some people are nuts about doing everything in Emacs |
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| 21:04.37 | binaryc | wow links2 is really nifty, i would rather use this then firefox for several things, though i will have to switch to ascii pr0n |
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| 21:04.51 | Joeycool | two blootbots running in here ? |
| 21:04.52 | nvz | binaryc: links2 -g |
| 21:04.53 | xoz | !test |
| 21:04.53 | dpkg | Sorry, xoz, I didn't get your test. |
| 21:04.57 | drc_ | lala: disconnect, you should NOT use irc as _root_ |
| 21:05.00 | nvz | binaryc: no need for ascii pron |
| 21:05.07 | beardy | binaryc: Why? use links2 -g |
| 21:05.08 | abydos | I still cannot use my emu10k1 card |
| 21:05.08 | Evil_Homer | atbash, gnome 2.10 verks! :p belnet downloads are working :) |
| 21:05.11 | MobyTurbo | Joeycool: sometimes three bots |
| 21:05.15 | MobyTurbo | @test |
| 21:05.15 | ravenbird | Yes, mobyturbo, you're still online. |
| 21:05.26 | Joeycool | MobyTurbo: what's the meaning ? |
| 21:05.41 | nvz | firefox is the ultimate porn browser though |
| 21:05.43 | hool | ps2 mice is on what port? /dev/psaux? |
| 21:05.44 | MobyTurbo | Joeycool: well, they seem mostly redundant |
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| 21:05.53 | shingouz | hool: ps/2. yes |
| 21:05.57 | MobyTurbo | Joeycool: dpkg seems to have the most factoids |
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| 21:06.50 | nvz | with extensions like Thumbs, Magpie, DTA, FlashGOT, firefox is a smut surfers dream come true |
| 21:06.59 | Joeycool | is the most popular among the bots ^^ |
| 21:07.14 | nvz | bots like porn extensions for firefox too? |
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| 21:07.21 | shingouz | Joeycool: i guess that has to be dpkg |
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| 21:07.47 | exobyte | how would I set up a home wireless network to use ipv6? |
| 21:07.59 | binaryc | yeah, i just tried -g i would have to pla with it to make it work |
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| 21:08.04 | nvz | ffs why |
| 21:08.09 | atbash | Evil_Homer: what's your belnet sources.list entry? |
| 21:08.35 | Evil_Homer | atbash, deb ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 21:08.44 | Evil_Homer | should do it :) |
| 21:08.51 | nvz | from my understanding ipv6 main thing is to address growing networks, allowing more users on a subnet.. well on a home network that isnt worth the trouble |
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| 21:09.13 | atbash | Evil_Homer: ah ok, i get it, i'll have to wait a little longer, i have an amd64 |
| 21:09.35 | glick | lvm looks complicated to use |
| 21:09.43 | mohuhau | are there an easy way to check which packages that doesn't come from your repository in sources.list? f.ex. by using apt? |
| 21:09.46 | exobyte | moyix: you might want to log off.. |
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| 21:10.00 | Evil_Homer | yeah, that might be the thing atbash |
| 21:10.25 | xoz | glick: worth the investment if you don't know your disk mileage |
| 21:10.49 | Evil_Homer | not that much difference in gnome 2.10 comparing to gnome 2.8 |
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| 21:10.58 | nvz | xoz: glick, the problem is, you usually dont realize you need lvm until you've already miscalculated and cant use it |
| 21:11.02 | Virtual | Can I set in anyway like when minimizing a program he will be put near the clock where the KOrganizer and KClipper is and where Gaim goes if I close it ? |
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| 21:11.32 | lr_ | hello. is it possible to open the debian installer again? i forgot to install Xfree86, and KDE :\ |
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| 21:11.44 | glick | nvz, xoz cause id like to get the server up asap |
| 21:11.47 | streuner | Ir_: no need to |
| 21:12.03 | lr_ | streuner: apt-get install xfree86 don't work |
| 21:12.07 | jeangenet | does anyone know what the urxvt command line option is to hold the window open after executing a command, like -hold in xterm? |
| 21:12.09 | streuner | !tell lr_ about setup x |
| 21:12.09 | shingouz | lr_: you do not need to do it that way. i think apt-get install kde would take care of it |
| 21:12.13 | Donald | lr_: type tasksel |
| 21:12.19 | glick | does debian install ask me if i want to use lvm? |
| 21:12.21 | intension | mohuhau what do you want to do ? |
| 21:12.22 | binaryc | Vityual wants to know if there is a way to make programs minimize into the system tray, |
| 21:12.36 | nvz | glick: well if you are just now planning it out, then you could probably install sarge and use the nifty partitioner it has to setup the lvm |
| 21:12.38 | streuner | Ir_: _and_ apt-get install kde |
| 21:12.51 | xoz | glick: yes... d-i supports lvm |
| 21:13.11 | lr_ | i did apt-get install kde, but it cant connect to xserver when i startkde |
| 21:13.22 | nvz | glick: I guess you never read the release notes? |
| 21:13.28 | streuner | lr_: ok. |
| 21:13.28 | lr_ | P |
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| 21:13.37 | lr_ | i will try apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:13.38 | lr_ | thanks |
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| 21:13.49 | Bogus8 | what is the url to test your php (the about php page) |
| 21:13.58 | streuner | lr_: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:14.01 | xoz | lr_: make sure X window is configured properly |
| 21:14.17 | streuner | lr_: what videocard do you have, btw? |
| 21:14.19 | Donald | lr_: and don´t forget xfonts-base |
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| 21:14.36 | Nexus | I'm looking for what package has pngtogd2 in it. IS there a command line way to search for what package has that file? |
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| 21:14.51 | valdyn | !tell Nexus about search |
| 21:14.57 | bbrazil | Nexus: apt-file |
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| 21:15.16 | Nexus | Cool. Thanks. |
| 21:15.23 | nvz | glick: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 would be the short version :P |
| 21:15.29 | mohuhau | intension: find all packages that may couse a problem when upgrading to sarge, and all the packages that i have installed that won't get updates, as it isnt in any repositories |
| 21:15.29 | Mihaly | how do I create a ram-drive? |
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| 21:15.42 | valdyn | Mihaly: for what? |
| 21:15.52 | nvz | the whole release notes for i386 are at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ |
| 21:15.52 | streuner | Mihaly: ramdrive.txt |
| 21:15.57 | streuner | read that |
| 21:16.16 | Mihaly | ? |
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| 21:16.44 | Virtual | Can I set in anyway like when minimizing a program he will be put near the clock where the KOrganizer and KClipper is and where Gaim goes if I close it ? |
| 21:16.56 | manuc66 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.35 | nvz | Virtual: I am not a KDE user, but thats usually known as a swallowed app in desktop environment terms |
| 21:17.48 | intension | mohuhau you may put your trust into apt-get, it will do its best for you not to mess up |
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| 21:17.53 | Mihaly | I wanted to create an ramdrive and put kernel-source files there while I compile so that the disk wont slow down the compilation |
| 21:18.14 | xoz | mohuhau: try feta to-upgrade ... install feta first |
| 21:18.17 | jeangenet | does anyone know what the urxvt command line option is to hold the window open after executing a command, like -hold in xterm? |
| 21:18.17 | nvz | Virtual: perhaps try asking in #debian-kde or #kde, about swallowed apps, or how to minimize applications to the kicker panel |
| 21:18.21 | quittt | do you know some good adventure games for Linux? |
| 21:18.23 | quittt | and Mario like games? |
| 21:18.26 | Virtual | ok nvz |
| 21:18.28 | xoz | mohuhau: and it has other handy commands. man feta |
| 21:18.32 | Virtual | thanks for the suggestion |
| 21:18.34 | cthulfuego | quittt: supertux |
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| 21:19.04 | Fleck | deadcat thanks, that worked great! :) |
| 21:19.06 | xoz | Virtual: apt-get remove artsd ;) |
| 21:19.17 | deadcat | Fleck: whats going on? (= |
| 21:19.21 | Donald | quittt: Monkey Islands 2 with the scummvm :) |
| 21:19.22 | mohuhau | xoz: thanks, will take a look at feta :) |
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| 21:19.32 | Fleck | nothing :) |
| 21:19.36 | deadcat | Fleck: oh. you gonna get fucked for doing that but its your call (= |
| 21:19.41 | Virtual | xoz never mind, I fixed that problem already :) |
| 21:19.56 | nvz | Virtual: debian users by and large tend to be more experienced users.. and they generally dont waste resources on KDE stuff, as they dont need it. thats why we made #debian-kde, so people who know, care, or need help can carry on that kind of discussion |
| 21:20.05 | Fleck | deadcat nop - i am the only one user on my box :) |
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| 21:20.09 | Fleck | so it's OK ;) |
| 21:20.13 | quittt | and a good car and cards game? |
| 21:20.16 | whoppix27_ | hello |
| 21:20.18 | deadcat | Fleck: then just setup sudo |
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| 21:20.26 | Fleck | i dunno how |
| 21:20.27 | takatumi | nvz: you are politely asking him to scoot? :) |
| 21:20.37 | nvz | quittt: you mean Mille Bornes? |
| 21:20.42 | Mihaly | doesn't anyone here know how to create a ramdrive? |
| 21:20.47 | nvz | quittt: xmille or bsdgames packages. |
| 21:20.49 | Emc | Can you help me? |
| 21:21.11 | deadcat | Fleck: apt-get install sudo; visudo; add this in the file "fleck: ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL", save the file,then you can sudo anyrootcommandwithoutpasswd |
| 21:21.20 | quittt | and car racing game? |
| 21:21.21 | nvz | takatumi: nope I just like to see people direct their questions at people who might be able to answer them, rather than at people who really dont care. |
| 21:21.22 | Bogus8 | ok, just installed apache2 and php4 ... made 2 changes to apache2.conf for php to work and put some php pages in www and all I see is code when I pull them up in browser |
| 21:21.33 | Fleck | deadcat okz :)) |
| 21:21.33 | nvz | quittt: torcs |
| 21:21.41 | hool | heh.. i actually have windowmaker running now.. |
| 21:21.47 | takatumi | nvz: aww, you don't care. |
| 21:21.50 | hool | all i need now is to get the mouse working |
| 21:21.53 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: No, you do not make changes to apache2.conf |
| 21:21.53 | nvz | quittt: I thought you meant racing and cards in one game, thats xmille or /usr/games/mille from bsdgames |
| 21:22.01 | deadcat | hool: also try fluxbox, openbox, icewm, |
| 21:22.07 | nvz | takatumi: how could I care, I dont even know |
| 21:22.07 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: Undo those and run 'a2enmod php4' instead. |
| 21:22.13 | nvz | takatumi: you'd have to first know to care |
| 21:22.13 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: hmm there are two lines in there that need to be uncommented no? |
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| 21:22.25 | takatumi | nvz: where've you been btw? long time. |
| 21:22.35 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: No, apache2 works differently. See the /etc/apache2/mod-* directories? |
| 21:22.48 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: yeah, I've used that for some other stuff before |
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| 21:23.12 | xoz | there are 893 people here and a fraction of that may care. |
| 21:23.21 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: The mod-php directives are in php4.conf/php4.load in mods-available |
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| 21:23.36 | albo | how can i set my clock to be correct with daylight savings |
| 21:23.40 | gtigene | I used kernel 2.6 from Debian distribution (did not compile kernel) and I still get errors from the files in /etc/modprobe.d. What should I do? |
| 21:23.50 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: it says "this module does not exist!" |
| 21:23.55 | cthulfuego | albo: 'tzconfig' and 'ntpdate' |
| 21:24.03 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: Lemme check the name. |
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| 21:24.11 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: thanks |
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| 21:24.21 | nvz | takatumi: oh well, I was working like a love slave in Morgantown, WV... then I moved back up here to my hometown... I just went to walmart last night and got me a long ethernet cable, ran it down into the basement, and havent really moved since |
| 21:24.29 | monsoons | hey folks, I am getting mixed signals. do I or dont I need to install gcc-3.4 on pure64 to install nvidia kernel modules? |
| 21:24.32 | cthulfuego | Yeah 'a2enmod php4' |
| 21:24.36 | albo | cthulfuego: tx |
| 21:24.37 | takatumi | nvz: :) |
| 21:25.00 | cthulfuego | monsoons: Are the other modules compiled with gcc 3.4? |
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| 21:25.19 | xoz | pyonk... another *nvidia victim* |
| 21:25.19 | takatumi | gtigene: errors when you boot? |
| 21:25.41 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: well that returns an error :( |
| 21:25.42 | gtigene | takatumi: yes. Just a moment please. |
| 21:25.52 | monsoons | cthulfuego I dont know, I dont have gcc-3.4 installed, so I supposed nothing has been compiled with it since Ive installed ... Im also for now just using a prebuilt kernel |
| 21:26.01 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: Peculiar, it works just fine here. |
| 21:26.03 | concept10 | does debian (sarge) include mono? |
| 21:26.11 | cthulfuego | !info mono sarge |
| 21:26.30 | xoz | dpkg, are you sleeping |
| 21:26.30 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: I had done what I said on the installation before and that worked.. very strange |
| 21:26.30 | takatumi | was removed iirc. |
| 21:26.32 | cthulfuego | concept10: Not under the name 'mono' anyway. |
| 21:26.41 | nvz | concept10: nope |
| 21:26.46 | nvz | concept10: unstable |
| 21:26.54 | nvz | concept10: packages.debian.org/mono |
| 21:27.39 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: Don't yu have an '/etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load' file? |
| 21:27.46 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: nope |
| 21:27.50 | monsoons | cthulfuego did you get that response? |
| 21:27.55 | nvz | mono is probably short for monopoly |
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| 21:28.01 | Bogus8 | wait.. let me see... lookign in wrong plac |
| 21:28.10 | cthulfuego | monsoons: Run 'modinfo 8139too' |
| 21:28.18 | cthulfuego | monsoons: What gcc does that say it used? |
| 21:28.18 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: nope not there |
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| 21:28.31 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: is libapache2-mod-php4 installed? |
| 21:28.48 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: that I'm not sure of... let me try |
| 21:28.59 | SerajewelKS | after upgrading my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11, my clocks are all over the place. sometimes the system clock has drifted, and other times the hardware clock has drifted. they seem to like drifting both ways. |
| 21:29.02 | cthulfuego | Bogus8: Coz it should, if you have apache2 and php4. |
| 21:29.09 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: it wasn't |
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| 21:29.17 | cthulfuego | SerajewelKS: ntp-simple |
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| 21:29.21 | monsoons | cthulfuego vermagic 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 ... so is it a problem that gcc-3.3 has been installed (by the install process) ? |
| 21:29.25 | Bogus8 | I wonder why it got installed last time.. I don't think I did anything differently |
| 21:29.26 | monsoons | sorry |
| 21:29.28 | SerajewelKS | the hardware clock is by far the less "drifty" of the two, though, which leads me to believe that the linux system clock is screwing up somewhere |
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| 21:29.33 | jeangenet | does anyone know what the urxvt command line option is to hold the window open after executing a command, like -hold in xterm? |
| 21:29.36 | SerajewelKS | cthulfuego, ntp isn't an option, as i'm not always connected |
| 21:29.39 | monsoons | vermagic 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 gcc-3.4 |
| 21:29.41 | SerajewelKS | and it's drifting several minutes per hour |
| 21:29.47 | SerajewelKS | which doesn't happen on 2.6.8 |
| 21:30.01 | mihaly | why is it so hard to find info about how to create a ramdrive in linux |
| 21:30.03 | gtigene | takatumi: Yes, when I boot it says "/etc/modprobe.d/zaptel: ignoring bad line starting with 'post-install'" |
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| 21:30.12 | shingouz | jeangenet: command & perhaps? |
| 21:30.17 | gtigene | takatumi: And my application software doesn't work |
| 21:30.18 | TheTroll | hello Dredian users :) |
| 21:30.22 | cthulfuego | monsoons: No, that's fine. just run 'export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1' before building the nvidia module. |
| 21:30.27 | SerajewelKS | mihaly, google tmpfs |
| 21:30.46 | gtigene | takatumi: I had to stop for a second because my boss was talking to me. I am back now. |
| 21:30.52 | monsoons | cthulfuego do I need to install gcc-3.4 first? |
| 21:31.07 | cthulfuego | monsoons: No, my setting that shell varibal,e you can use gcc 3.3 |
| 21:31.08 | SerajewelKS | so how can i correct the error by which the system time drifts away from the hardware clock after upgrading a kernel? is this a kernel-only bug, do i need a specific module loaded, or what? |
| 21:31.19 | monsoons | great thx cthulfuego |
| 21:31.22 | xoz | SerajewelKS: ntpdate? hwclock? timezone in /etc/defaul/rcS |
| 21:31.33 | cthulfuego | SerajewelKS: install ntp-simple; run an ntp daemon to keep it inline. |
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| 21:31.49 | SerajewelKS | so you're saying i should treat the symptom and not the disease? |
| 21:32.03 | cthulfuego | SerajewelKS: yeah, best way ;-) |
| 21:32.12 | SerajewelKS | the clock stayed synced to the hardware clock on 2.6.8... is there a module to do that? |
| 21:32.24 | jeangenet | nope shingouz, it doesn't work |
| 21:32.26 | SerajewelKS | and, as i said, i don't have a static connection, so getting online every hour to sync is a hassle |
| 21:32.33 | Bogus8 | cthulfuego: thanks for the help |
| 21:32.40 | zinx | SerajewelKS: disable cpu frequency scaling |
| 21:32.42 | cthulfuego | SerajewelKS: Sounds like a kernel option; have a perv through /lib/modules/($uname -r) |
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| 21:32.50 | shingouz | jeangenet: <sigh> i guess i am out of ideas in that case :( |
| 21:33.02 | infralite | anyone have an idea basically how to configure x? |
| 21:33.02 | SerajewelKS | zinx, i don't think i have that on -- how would i check? |
| 21:33.11 | infralite | is there a tool for it? |
| 21:33.12 | cthulfuego | !xcfg |
| 21:33.12 | dpkg | it has been said that xcfg is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:33.18 | zinx | SerajewelKS: default kernels have it on, afaik |
| 21:33.22 | cthulfuego | infralite: there you go. |
| 21:33.24 | infralite | cthulfuego: thanks |
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| 21:33.28 | SerajewelKS | zinx, in a nutshell, what does it do? |
| 21:33.35 | cthulfuego | infralite: Note: _READ_ what the tool says before hitting return. |
| 21:33.43 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it scales the frequency of the CPU according to load, to reduce energy consumption |
| 21:33.47 | infralite | cthulfuego: lmao :) |
| 21:33.58 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it also causes the clock to get out of sync on some systems |
| 21:34.01 | monsoons | cthulfuego bizarre, compilation (at least with module-assistant) failed, saying I need to rebuild kernel without rivafb support? I thought people have installed nvidia kernel module with the prebuilt kernel. |
| 21:34.09 | gtigene | When I boot to official 2.6.7 kernel image it says "/etc/modprobe.d/zaptel: ignoring bad line starting with 'post-install'" and my application software does not work. What can I do? |
| 21:34.10 | SerajewelKS | zinx, i never changed that on 2.6.8 -- did that have it default to off? |
| 21:34.21 | zinx | SerajewelKS: with debian's kernels, it defaults to on |
| 21:34.32 | SerajewelKS | zinx, so that can't be the problem then... |
| 21:34.32 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it's possible your CPU wasn't supported until that version |
| 21:34.39 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
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| 21:34.42 | SerajewelKS | athlon xp? |
| 21:34.50 | cthulfuego | monsoons: Just edit /boot/config-$(uname -r) and make sure rivafb can't load. |
| 21:34.59 | zinx | SerajewelKS: how far off are we talking? |
| 21:35.13 | SerajewelKS | zinx, well it was about 15 minutes off after i came home from work (5 hours) |
| 21:35.25 | SerajewelKS | one time it was off 2 hours in the same timeframe |
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| 21:35.39 | SerajewelKS | e.g. i can't just ignore it =) |
| 21:35.43 | infralite | one more, what was the su-ish command fot ubuntu? something like sumo |
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| 21:35.50 | infralite | or sushi |
| 21:35.55 | valdyn | monsoons: the debian nvidia package's compilation only *warns* if rivafb is on, it does not abort or break for that reason |
| 21:35.56 | SerajewelKS | infralite, checked #ubuntu? |
| 21:35.59 | shingouz | infralite: how about asking in #ubuntu? |
| 21:36.08 | mihaly | does /dev/ramX represent the physical ram-modules in the computer? |
| 21:36.09 | infralite | ok, that was stupid, sorry |
| 21:36.17 | newbie01 | has anybody experience in using testdisk ? |
| 21:36.23 | monsoons | valdyn with module-assistant it failed |
| 21:36.23 | SerajewelKS | mihaly, i would guess so |
| 21:36.29 | shingouz | !tell newbie01 about polls |
| 21:36.31 | zinx | SerajewelKS: well, i don't think that CPU supports freq scaling |
| 21:36.32 | valdyn | monsoons: for a different reason |
| 21:36.32 | shingouz | !tell newbie01 about ask |
| 21:36.42 | zinx | SerajewelKS: does your computer go in to suspend or anything? |
| 21:36.44 | Draconicus | What's a good piece of webcam software? I need one that can display live mjpg feed and such and of course use drivers. |
| 21:36.51 | SerajewelKS | zinx, nope, only the monitors shut off |
| 21:37.03 | SerajewelKS | suspend has never worked well for me on linux, so i don't use it |
| 21:37.04 | shingouz | Draconicus: camorama and camstream seem to work with the spca5xx |
| 21:37.15 | cthulfuego | abydos: /etc/modules is regenerated at bootup, so that would be pointless. |
| 21:37.19 | SerajewelKS | i also can't use it since this is the router for my lan |
| 21:37.29 | cthulfuego | abydos: Actually, never mind, I'm still half asleep ;-) |
| 21:37.30 | zinx | SerajewelKS: don't run any screensavers/etc? :x |
| 21:37.36 | abydos | cthulfuego: it appears to have fixed my problem, anyway |
| 21:37.42 | SerajewelKS | zinx, i use the KDE screensavers -- did on 2.6.8, too |
| 21:37.44 | zinx | SerajewelKS: i dunno what'd cause that big of a drift, only when you're not there |
| 21:37.51 | zinx | SerajewelKS: well, don't |
| 21:37.51 | SerajewelKS | zinx, it drifts when i'm here too |
| 21:37.56 | zinx | SerajewelKS: ah |
| 21:38.12 | SerajewelKS | zinx, i synced hw -> system not too long ago |
| 21:38.16 | zinx | SerajewelKS: i don't know what could cause that big of a drift other than some program/hardware starving timer interrupts, with that CPU |
| 21:38.16 | SerajewelKS | zinx, system is ahead 11 seconds now |
| 21:38.17 | cthulfuego | abydos: You can add via82xxx to the 'hotplug' blacklist and prevent it from loading at all, though. |
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| 21:38.29 | abydos | cthulfuego: maybe I want to use its gameport? |
| 21:38.40 | zinx | SerajewelKS: i think ntp is your best bet.. |
| 21:38.41 | abydos | cthulfuego: my audigy2 doesn't have a gameport or a header for one |
| 21:38.45 | SerajewelKS | gah |
| 21:38.48 | cthulfuego | SerajewelKS: Can you just measure gravity in your room for me? |
| 21:38.58 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.8, my joystick doesn't work. 2.6.11, my clock drifts. |
| 21:39.02 | shingouz | cthulfuego: heh |
| 21:39.02 | ptlis | 9.8 |
| 21:39.15 | cthulfuego | abydos: Aaah, ok. |
| 21:39.20 | zinx | SerajewelKS: maybe it's your joystick causing the clock to drift? :) |
| 21:39.23 | SerajewelKS | cthulfuego, light speed would cause both clocks to drift together, methings => |
| 21:39.27 | ptlis | Unless you're on a really high mountain or deep below the sea :) |
| 21:39.37 | SerajewelKS | zinx, um sure =) |
| 21:39.41 | cthulfuego | SerajewelKS: Depends on *where* the primordial black hole is lodged. |
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| 21:40.05 | glick | i cant make lvm use partitions that already exist can i? |
| 21:40.07 | davut | h, |
| 21:40.09 | davut | hi |
| 21:40.10 | cthulfuego | Though if it's running fast, we may be thinking anti-gravity. |
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| 21:40.20 | SerajewelKS | cthulfuego, well i think since i'm chatting in real time with you, we can disregard time/space distortions |
| 21:40.25 | davut | I get an error like this during boot on my laptop |
| 21:40.28 | SerajewelKS | but good point ;> |
| 21:40.41 | lith | Im trying to install qmail (i know its not supported by debian) but in order to build it, i need the openSSL header files in /usr/include ... can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 21:40.44 | davut | atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program, like XFree86, might be trying access hardware directly. |
| 21:40.44 | davut | synaptics reset failed |
| 21:40.52 | SerajewelKS | maybe i should boot up 2.6.8 for a few minutes and see what happens |
| 21:40.53 | newbie01 | testdisk is making me insane |
| 21:40.54 | ludi | from a base install of debian, how do I install X and Gnome? |
| 21:41.00 | davut | I googled around but I couldnt find anu solution |
| 21:41.15 | SerajewelKS | newbie01, i think your lack of adeptness with testdisk is doing that |
| 21:41.16 | shingouz | newbie01: what is the problem with testdisk, we need more information |
| 21:41.30 | Virtual | can anybody tell me some good download managers for linux? |
| 21:41.36 | SerajewelKS | Virtual, kget |
| 21:41.39 | mihaly | wow it fucking worked! Linux is best! |
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| 21:42.05 | SerajewelKS | mihaly, tack "Debian" in front of "Linux" and it's even truer! ;) |
| 21:42.09 | cthulfuego | davut: Does the trackp[ad work Ok in X? |
| 21:42.14 | xoz | be more specific when you ask |
| 21:42.20 | xophEr | why does aptitude want to remove packages that 'arent used' ? :) |
| 21:42.21 | davut | yes it works |
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| 21:42.27 | davut | cthulfuego, |
| 21:42.33 | cthulfuego | davut: Then you can happily ignore that message. |
| 21:42.40 | mihaly | mount -t tmpfs /dev/ramX /mnt/ramdrive <-- and it works |
| 21:42.42 | davut | but it slows down the boot |
| 21:42.49 | Virtual | SerajewelKS: something that would interact with mozilla firefox |
| 21:42.56 | SerajewelKS | mihaly, 'man mount' for some options for tmpfs too |
| 21:43.01 | Draconicus | Hrm... I ended up with xawtv while installing some cam goodies. US TV is NTSC, right? |
| 21:43.03 | SerajewelKS | Virtual, install the flashgot extension and it will |
| 21:43.05 | cthulfuego | davut: yeah, it happens. |
| 21:43.08 | xoz | what do you want to do |
| 21:43.20 | MobyTurbo | Draconicus: right |
| 21:43.23 | shingouz | Draconicus: us tv is ntsc |
| 21:43.28 | Draconicus | 'kay. thanks. |
| 21:43.34 | cthulfuego | lith: libssl-dev |
| 21:43.39 | SerajewelKS | Virtual, flashgot is pretty much the defacto way to use any download managers with firefox |
| 21:43.44 | shingouz | !ntsc |
| 21:43.44 | dpkg | it has been said that ntsc is Never The Same Colour |
| 21:43.48 | lith | cthulfuego: thanks |
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| 21:44.09 | SerajewelKS | !pal |
| 21:44.09 | dpkg | it has been said that pal is a video format where NTSC isn't used |
| 21:44.16 | cthulfuego | Draconicus: Just coz your TV uses NTSC doesn't mean your PC should ;-) |
| 21:44.17 | davut | cthulfuego, I dont want that message |
| 21:44.21 | shingouz | dpkg: no, ntsc is Never Twice Same Color |
| 21:44.21 | dpkg | okay, shingouz |
| 21:44.24 | ludi | from a base install of debian, how do I install X and Gnome? |
| 21:44.28 | cthulfuego | !secam |
| 21:44.39 | SerajewelKS | zinx, system clock now drifting 3 seconds after i synced a minute ago =/ |
| 21:44.50 | SerajewelKS | wtf would cause the system clock to drift from the hw clock... |
| 21:45.07 | cthulfuego | davut: I suppose you could edit the serio driver in the kernel and make it not display errors. |
| 21:45.10 | MobyTurbo | ludi: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome |
| 21:45.17 | xoz | SerajewelKS: check your battery :) |
| 21:45.28 | cthulfuego | SerajewelKS: Is the rtc module loaded? |
| 21:45.40 | Draconicus | cthulfuego: It doesn't matter. I don't even have a TV card, though my Radeon 7500's s-video port might work as input as well as output. Regardless, there are no drivers for that feature. |
| 21:45.48 | Draconicus | I just figured I'd configure it ahead of time. |
| 21:45.48 | glick | can i use lvm with a disk that already has one regular partition on a disk that i want to keep? it has too much data to delete it and load it back up |
| 21:45.49 | shingouz | dpkg: secam is SECAM (Système Electronique Couleur Avec Mémoire) is a signal format used in video equipment in France and the former Soviet Union. It is incompatible with PAL and NTSC formats. |
| 21:45.49 | dpkg | shingouz: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:45.52 | newbie01 | ok let me get specific : i need to recover the marked partition ( screenshot of qtparted : http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot18gt.png) |
| 21:45.58 | SerajewelKS | cthulfuego, someone told me that rtc is only useful on smp machines |
| 21:46.03 | SerajewelKS | cthulfuego, but no, modprobe won't insert it |
| 21:46.12 | newbie01 | please don't ask me how i got this far |
| 21:46.15 | SerajewelKS | xoz, i think the battery would cause the hw clock to drift, not the system clock |
| 21:46.17 | Draconicus | IT LIVES! |
| 21:46.24 | shingouz | dpkg: secam is (Système Electronique Couleur Avec Mémoire) a signal format used in video equipment in France and the former Soviet Union. It is incompatible with PAL and NTSC formats. |
| 21:46.24 | dpkg | shingouz: okay |
| 21:46.29 | Draconicus | The camera works! Eurika, or however you spell it! |
| 21:46.37 | shingouz | eureka :) |
| 21:46.37 | cthulfuego | Draconicus: Well, there are the GATOS drivers on sf.net |
| 21:46.39 | SerajewelKS | drac, eureka |
| 21:46.40 | Draconicus | Shingouz: Thanks for your help. :D |
| 21:46.41 | Virtual | is there any way to disable the alert : The document contains no data? |
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| 21:46.45 | Virtual | on firefox |
| 21:46.47 | ludi | Does anyone know how to install X and gnome from a base install? |
| 21:46.52 | shingouz | Draconicus: been there, done it and have the scars to prove it |
| 21:46.53 | xoz | SerajewelKS: just kidding... are you running some ntp prog? |
| 21:46.56 | SerajewelKS | Virtual, get IE :> |
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| 21:47.04 | SerajewelKS | xoz, i manually run ntpdate every so often |
| 21:47.07 | MobyTurbo | ludi: I just answered you |
| 21:47.12 | SerajewelKS | xoz, more often now than a week ago =/ |
| 21:47.16 | streuner | ludi: apt-get install gnome x-window-system |
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| 21:47.26 | newbie01 | there is nothing on this hard disk i want to boot from, i only need the files from this former ext2 partition. is there any chance to recover them ? ( http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot18gt.png) |
| 21:47.29 | SerajewelKS | mmm |
| 21:47.34 | SerajewelKS | maybe it is the hw clock that's falling behind |
| 21:47.37 | xophEr | Virtual, there is a way, its in about:config cant remember the exact line though, try google |
| 21:47.52 | SerajewelKS | i think the hw clock falls behind while the system clock drifts ahead |
| 21:48.00 | Draconicus | SerajewelKS: My hardware clock runs a bit fast. It gains a minute every few weeks. Think that's a battery issue? |
| 21:48.01 | xoz | SerajewelKS: then, it might be the ntp correcting your system clock. the hardware clock gets syncronized when you shutsdown |
| 21:48.11 | Draconicus | I know this is not #hardware. I just thought it was related to your topuic. |
| 21:48.14 | Draconicus | topic* |
| 21:48.18 | SerajewelKS | Draconicus, no, that's normal. 1 minute per hour is not normal. |
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| 21:48.28 | Draconicus | Eek. |
| 21:48.38 | SerajewelKS | xoz, no, when i sync manually it's not unusual for it to be set 45 minutes back |
| 21:48.41 | ludi | MobyTurbo: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome, not apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome-desktop? |
| 21:48.55 | SerajewelKS | xoz, let's put it this way. the hw clock falls behind my alarm clock, while the system time runs ahead of it. |
| 21:49.02 | MobyTurbo | ludi: all of these work, they just install different amounts of software. |
| 21:49.05 | SerajewelKS | i'm guessing my alarm clock is better at keeping time |
| 21:49.17 | SerajewelKS | and ntpdate hasn't deviated from my alarm clock in a year |
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| 21:49.29 | bruce2005 | trying to install uml, i've patched the source and ran the config, now i'm trying to do 'make linux ARCH=um' but i get hundreds of errors, can anyone help plz |
| 21:49.29 | ludi | MobyTurbo: what's the diff between gnome and gnome-desktop? |
| 21:49.44 | xoz | SerajewelKS: then, it got to be the hw clock assuming that ntp is sync |
| 21:49.49 | MobyTurbo | ludi: about 50 megabytes |
| 21:50.00 | shingouz | bruce2005: you trying to compile a kernel? |
| 21:50.00 | SerajewelKS | xoz, but the system time is going /ahead/ of the ntp time |
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| 21:50.15 | bruce2005 | shingouz: yes |
| 21:50.18 | Draconicus | I'm still waiting to make fireworks with the NLX board from my old Compaq Deskpro (EVIL MACHINE). It was so sickening that I had to destroy it, so I soaked it in a bucket of water outside for quite a while after pouring salt and gasoline on it. I'm going to plug it in at some point. I tried a while back, but the power supply didn't turn on (and yes, I bridged pin 16 and 4, or whatever). Anyway, back to the topic at hand. |
| 21:50.19 | xoz | SerajewelKS: even with ntpdate running? |
| 21:50.21 | shingouz | newbie01: can you boot with the testdisk you refer to? |
| 21:50.22 | SerajewelKS | xoz, if the ntp time is 1:00, the hw clock might be 0:50 while the system time is 1:10 |
| 21:50.23 | ludi | MobyTurbo: I meant in terms of packages. |
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| 21:50.28 | Draconicus | Thanks again. |
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| 21:50.31 | MobyTurbo | ludi: it shows you on the screen |
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| 21:50.39 | SerajewelKS | xoz, i can't leave ntp running forever since i don't have a static connection |
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| 21:50.56 | SerajewelKS | xoz, and this drift only started happening after a kernel upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11 |
| 21:51.06 | SerajewelKS | xoz, and the rtc module will no longer insert, if that has anything to do with it |
| 21:51.07 | shingouz | bruce2005: you do not use a command 'make linux ARCH=' anywhere in the kernel compilation process afaik, i am not sure where you got the instructions from but they apparently suck |
| 21:51.16 | Milhouse | I'm trying to start a service (vsftpd) and it says its starting the service but the service never starts. Is there a verbos way of trying to start it so I can see why its not starting |
| 21:51.36 | bruce2005 | shingouz: i'm following the instructions from sourceforge |
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| 21:51.56 | xoz | SerajewelKS: so, the drift in hw is normal... only the system is unusual? maybe, the kernel? googled the issue? |
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| 21:52.22 | SerajewelKS | xoz, a drift behind of 10 minutes in 5 hours is not normal for hw |
| 21:52.32 | xophEr | Virtual, http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=107957 there's the solution if you didnt find it already. . :) |
| 21:52.32 | shingouz | bruce2005: i give up. i have been trying to help you many times before but you just want to do things the way you do them. i just give up on this issue |
| 21:52.32 | SerajewelKS | neither is the drift ahead for the system |
| 21:52.41 | SerajewelKS | both clocks are screwing up since i upgraded the kernel |
| 21:52.42 | cthulfuego | Milhouse: Is it running from inetd? |
| 21:52.55 | xoz | SerajewelKS: ok, so both hw and system are having problems? |
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| 21:53.03 | Durin | bruce2005: afaik you have to run the config with ARCH=um too |
| 21:53.15 | Virtual | xophEr: I was just reading that :) |
| 21:53.21 | Milhouse | cthuf -- good question |
| 21:53.22 | xoz | !search google about kernel 2.6.11 drift problem |
| 21:53.22 | jeangenet | does anyone know what the urxvt command line option is to hold the window open after executing a command, like -hold in xterm? |
| 21:53.23 | SerajewelKS | xoz, yes, at different rates. sometimes the hw clock is behind the system, and sometimes the other way around -- but neither are hardly ever accurate |
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| 21:53.26 | newbie01 | shingouz, as i mentioned somewhere above, there is nothing to boot from on this hd ..,,,all i need is the files from the marked partition (qtparted says type free but it was ext2) |
| 21:53.31 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for about kernel 2.6.11 drift problem |
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| 21:53.40 | SerajewelKS | xoz, googling for an obscure topic like this is like googling for free porn |
| 21:53.51 | shingouz | newbie01: yes but do you have something that you can boot the computer on. if you have, what is it? |
| 21:53.57 | Milhouse | nope its running as standalone |
| 21:54.33 | shingouz | fook, the ultimate geek entertainment airs again, gotta run for about 45 mins |
| 21:54.33 | cthulfuego | Milhouse: syslog? |
| 21:54.35 | bruce2005 | shingouz: i already patched the source and ran 'make config ARCH=um' which went well, its the 'make linux ARCH=um' thats givin me the errors |
| 21:54.37 | xoz | search google about kernel drift problem |
| 21:54.47 | xoz | !search google about kernel drift problem |
| 21:54.53 | dpkg | Google says about kernel drift problem is at http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0503.0/0883.html or http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0503.0/0942.html or http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0503.0/0912.html or http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0208.0/1171.html or http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0110.3/1557.html |
| 21:54.55 | SerajewelKS | xoz, system clock is now 9 seconds ahead of hw |
| 21:55.05 | shingouz | bruce2005: excellent but i am washing my hands |
| 21:55.12 | xoz | ^ can you check these links |
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| 21:55.26 | newbie01 | shingouz, the system i am typing this on is a sarge installation (the mentioned disk is hdc) |
| 21:55.36 | Virtual | why is it that I cannot get kde 3.4 with apt-get ? |
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| 21:55.51 | cthulfuego | Virtual: Coz kde 3.4 isn't in the debian revsion you use. |
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| 21:56.06 | Virtual | well I use testing |
| 21:56.13 | cthulfuego | Virtual: Well it's not in there. |
| 21:56.15 | shingouz | newbie01: mount the partition somewhere as root. man mount, man cp /me is off to watch tv for 45 mins |
| 21:56.20 | SerajewelKS | xoz, it suggests that i need rtc |
| 21:56.26 | xoz | SerajewelKS: yep |
| 21:56.28 | SerajewelKS | xoz, but rtc won't insert (No such device) |
| 21:56.30 | billybar | you can get kde 3.4.1 from alioth |
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| 21:56.35 | SerajewelKS | rtc worked on 2.6.8 iirc |
| 21:56.40 | Virtual | and if I compile it manually and install it is there any problem? |
| 21:56.40 | newbie01 | shingouz, you didnt take care of the sceenshot i posted |
| 21:56.47 | cthulfuego | Virtual: yes. |
| 21:56.49 | bruce2005 | shingooz: do u have any idea why make linux doesn't work |
| 21:56.57 | newbie01 | shingouz, otherwise you wouldnt give me such a dump advice |
| 21:56.58 | cthulfuego | Virtual: The first one would be: you are insane. |
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| 21:57.06 | lvthn | Is it worth upgrading form a 32 bits to an 64 bits architecture or it insnt worth it? |
| 21:57.08 | newbie01 | shingouz, http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot18gt.png |
| 21:57.16 | cthulfuego | Virtual: If you didn't want a stable machine, you shouldn't have installed Debian Stable. |
| 21:57.31 | Subvertir | Sarge is fairly up-to-date |
| 21:57.32 | hool | alsa is built in to 2.6.8? |
| 21:57.44 | cthulfuego | lvthn: hardware wise? an amd64 is quicker then a P4, even at running 32bit apps. |
| 21:57.47 | xoz | SerajewelKS: modprobe rtc |
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| 21:57.54 | Virtual | I didn`t install debian stable, I installed debian testing |
| 21:58.01 | xoz | SerajewelKS: modprobe rtc8564 |
| 21:58.05 | lvthn | I know its better |
| 21:58.05 | SerajewelKS | xoz, told you, No such device |
| 21:58.06 | lvthn | but |
| 21:58.06 | dasunt | Does the debian kernel (2.4.27 specifically) compile with gcc 3.3.5? |
| 21:58.12 | cthulfuego | Virtual: Sarge is stable, not testing. |
| 21:58.13 | lvthn | do we really see the difference |
| 21:58.19 | lvthn | is it worth the investement |
| 21:58.25 | xoz | SerajewelKS: are you using standard debian kernel or compiled it yourself? |
| 21:58.28 | cthulfuego | Virtual: if you want to keep using testing, you need to upgrade to Etch. |
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| 21:58.46 | cthulfuego | !info kde etch |
| 21:58.49 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:44 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 21:58.55 | Milhouse | nothing in syslog about the service not starting properly |
| 21:58.57 | cthulfuego | !info kdelibs4 etch |
| 21:59.00 | dpkg | kdelibs4: (KDE core libraries), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-6.1 (etch), Packaged size: 8009 kB, Installed size: 23440 kB |
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| 21:59.08 | SerajewelKS | xoz, kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 i think |
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| 21:59.12 | cthulfuego | !info kdelibs4 sid |
| 21:59.14 | dpkg | kdelibs4: (KDE core libraries), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-6.1 (sid), Packaged size: 8009 kB, Installed size: 23440 kB |
| 21:59.16 | SerajewelKS | xoz, installed from unstable |
| 21:59.19 | bruce2005 | trying to install uml, i've patched the source and ran the config, now i'm trying to do 'make linux ARCH=um' but i get hundreds of errors, can anyone help plz |
| 21:59.35 | cthulfuego | Virtual: Or you could just be patient and wait for kdfe 3.4 to arrive. |
| 21:59.40 | Kvant | !info kdelibs4 experimental |
| 21:59.43 | dpkg | kdelibs4: (core libraries for all KDE applications), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.1-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 8461 kB, Installed size: 24812 kB |
| 21:59.55 | xoz | SerajewelKS: oops, mine is using -386 and rtc is there... might be problem upstream? |
| 21:59.59 | cthulfuego | !experimental |
| 21:59.59 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
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| 22:00.18 | xoz | SerajewelKS: can you install -386 instead of -686 and check if you have rtc module? |
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| 22:00.25 | streuner | hm, means that those package going soon into sid... |
| 22:00.41 | cthulfuego | "because i want it and it has a higher version number" is not a good enough excuse. |
| 22:00.46 | SerajewelKS | xoz, i HAVE the module, but it won't insert |
| 22:00.57 | Virtual | ################################################################################ |
| 22:00.57 | Virtual | ### CONFIGURE ERROR: |
| 22:00.57 | Virtual | ### No dlopen capabilities found. |
| 22:00.57 | Virtual | ### It looks that your system has no interface to the dynamic linker ? |
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| 22:01.03 | xoz | SerajewelKS: ah, ok... both rtcs? |
| 22:01.08 | SerajewelKS | xoz, there are two? |
| 22:01.26 | dasunt | This confuses me. |
| 22:01.34 | streuner | cthulfuego: no need to use experimental, just wait a little while |
| 22:01.37 | cthulfuego | I suppose it's the weekend |
| 22:01.42 | dasunt | /proc/version seems to indicate that the kernel was compiled with gcc 3.3 |
| 22:01.47 | J_P | people, i have one hd for moutn, but i have have this message when i try mount : mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/hda1 busy. Anyone idea ? |
| 22:01.58 | oskie | dvdrecord burning speed me go nuts |
| 22:01.58 | cthulfuego | streuner: He's obviously going to build it from source now, based on his paste kick. |
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| 22:02.08 | xoz | SerajewelKS: rtc8564 |
| 22:02.09 | dasunt | But my kernel won't compile using gcc 3.3 |
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| 22:02.19 | streuner | well, then he is stupider i thought |
| 22:02.20 | xoz | SerajewelKS: you should enable /etc/bash_completion |
| 22:02.31 | Granden | Anyone here who know where I can get Xebian for my xboox? |
| 22:02.39 | cthulfuego | streuner: That should have been immediately obvious from the initial question. |
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| 22:02.56 | SerajewelKS | xoz, that modprobe worked |
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| 22:03.02 | SerajewelKS | xoz, is that a new module since 2.6.8? |
| 22:03.03 | cthulfuego | !fgi Granden xebian+download |
| 22:03.05 | dpkg | Granden: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=xebian+download |
| 22:03.07 | J_P | anyone ? |
| 22:03.20 | bruce2005 | i wish someone knew about uml |
| 22:03.29 | beardy | !anyone |
| 22:03.29 | dpkg | anyone is, like, ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:03.32 | cthulfuego | Granden: Also note this is #debian, not #xebian. |
| 22:03.37 | Granden | I know |
| 22:03.42 | anubis_EOA | can someone tell the default dirctory mail to a user is dropped to by debian |
| 22:03.43 | Granden | but there is no channel for xebian |
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| 22:03.49 | xoz | SerajewelKS: enable bash_completion so that it will complete all rtc when you modprobe rtc<tab> ;) |
| 22:03.54 | streuner | Granden: thats not our problem |
| 22:03.56 | cthulfuego | anubis_EOA: /var/mail/ |
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| 22:04.09 | streuner | Granden: google for |
| 22:04.10 | xoz | SerajewelKS: im not sure... it just appeared when i tab-completed it |
| 22:04.17 | anubis_EOA | tnx |
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| 22:04.25 | Granden | no but xebian is based on debian so thought it was soem friendly soul here bu |
| 22:04.44 | liable | Granden: try an xbox channel maybe |
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| 22:05.04 | cthulfuego | #xbox-linux on oftc.net |
| 22:05.05 | MrBallZ | Not a debian question but does ...anyone knows how in GAIM, to disable that everytime i get a message , the message window pops up , instead i just want for it to be in the taskbar .... |
| 22:05.40 | cthulfuego | !xebian is http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian. See #xbox-linux on oftc.net |
| 22:05.40 | SerajewelKS | MrBallZ, it's in the preferences |
| 22:05.40 | dpkg | ...but xebian is already something else... |
| 22:05.44 | jum | please help, sarge (kernel 2.6) doesn't recoginze my software raid1 at start up. I am reading sinces hours now. found similar posts but no answers. |
| 22:05.47 | cthulfuego | !/m dpkg xebian |
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| 22:06.13 | cthulfuego | !no, xebian is http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian. See #xbox-linux on oftc.net. XEBIAN IS NOT DEBIAN! |
| 22:06.14 | MrBallZ | SerajewelKS : i have disabled to pop up , but it still does ... :S |
| 22:06.27 | streuner | cthulfuego: use dpkg, no |
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| 22:06.49 | cthulfuego | streuner: No, using /msg dpkg no, |
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| 22:06.53 | poison | Hi all, I think I'm into serials trouble: |
| 22:06.59 | jum | it always says it cannot open /dev/md0 |
| 22:07.00 | poison | shark`: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /lib/libncurses.so.5) |
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| 22:07.07 | poison | oepz |
| 22:07.17 | streuner | cthulfuego: do whatever you want to :-) |
| 22:07.33 | poison | message wasn't meant to shark` but to everybody :) |
| 22:07.40 | cthulfuego | streuner: Emptying an uzi here would be illegal. |
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| 22:07.48 | jum | is it possible, that the driver is loaded after the check, and how can I change this |
| 22:08.12 | tcsetattr | poison, what did you do? looks like a botched upgrade |
| 22:08.13 | cthulfuego | poison: Your libncurses5 wants a different libc6. have you run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' lately? |
| 22:08.25 | newbie01 | qtparted tells me that the partition i need to recover starts at 0.0 MB and ends at 12,65 GB. ( please take a look at the marked partition in the screendhot at http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot18gt.png). is this information plus that its type is ext2 enough to mount it ? |
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| 22:08.50 | poison | cthulfuego : well I'm updating a server manually because it has no direct connection to the internet |
| 22:09.03 | Virtual | how can I set a program to startup at kde startup ? |
| 22:09.08 | lvthn | For debian to work with ndiswrapper must we take the package 1.1 that the website say to take or the new ndiswrapper that came out today?? |
| 22:09.11 | poison | cthulfuego : it's my database server |
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| 22:09.22 | cthulfuego | poison: Something somewhere along the way went completely wrong. |
| 22:09.30 | oskie | newbie01: starting sector + length + filesystem type should always be enough |
| 22:09.41 | poison | have an idea how I can fix this? :) |
| 22:09.44 | xoz | Virtual: .kde/Autostart/ |
| 22:09.51 | cthulfuego | poison: Plug it into the net, run dist-upgrade. |
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| 22:10.03 | poison | hm, I'll have to do NAT then |
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| 22:10.20 | Virtual | xoz: I create a link to the app over there? |
| 22:10.29 | poison | cthulfuego : ok I'll try it thanks |
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| 22:10.33 | xoz | Virtual: try it |
| 22:10.34 | cthulfuego | poison: Alternatively, seeing as it's not online, don't "fix" a working system to begin with. (Bit late for that now) |
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| 22:10.55 | newbie01 | oskie, sorry i am really new to this topic (filesytems, recocery and in addition: i am new to linux). did you take a look to screenshot / have you got any idea how to get this information together ? |
| 22:10.56 | cthulfuego | poison: NAT is trivial. |
| 22:11.07 | xoz | Virtual: but you can also do... in kcontrol... goto to session and add your prog there |
| 22:11.16 | oskie | newbie01: i looked at the screenshot but i'm not too familiar with qtparted |
| 22:11.20 | jum | hello, is anybody willing to help? Sorry but i am getting "pissed". Since 5 hours I try to solve this problem now. |
| 22:11.22 | poison | cthulfuego : how do you mean? |
| 22:11.51 | cthulfuego | poison: What prompted you to manually upgrade a system that was working? ok |
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| 22:12.03 | lvthn | For debian to work with ndiswrapper must we take the package 1.1 that the website say to take or the new ndiswrapper that came out today?? |
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| 22:12.19 | newbie01 | oskie, qtparted gives me a bit hope because it _does show the important partition as hidden / free. fdisk -l already does not list it |
| 22:12.19 | xoz | jum: is this a running system before ? |
| 22:12.24 | valdyn | !info ndiswrapper-source |
| 22:12.29 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 22:12.32 | jum | no |
| 22:12.36 | valdyn | lvthn: what about ^^^ ? |
| 22:12.47 | Virtual | xoz where do I find session, at kde components? |
| 22:12.50 | jum | all is working fine when it is up |
| 22:12.52 | poison | well cthulfuego : I have two identical systems, the one I did apt-get install something and I copied the deb's to the other system and tried to dpkg -i them all |
| 22:12.53 | xoz | jum: were you able to install debian ? |
| 22:12.57 | jum | and I give the |
| 22:13.02 | jum | commands manualy |
| 22:13.05 | lvthn | because on ndiswrapper website it says debian users msut take a different package |
| 22:13.08 | ashl | did the gnome taskbars disappear for anyone else who recently did an apt-get upgrade in unstable? |
| 22:13.19 | cthulfuego | poison: incidentally, 'syscwl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1; iptables -o <ethX> -j MASQUERADE' will give you basic masq router. (ethX is your internet interface) |
| 22:13.21 | valdyn | lvthn: so take the package that already is *in* debian |
| 22:13.22 | xoz | Virtual: go to search tab and type session |
| 22:13.29 | oskie | newbie01: it's marked as 'free' in your screenshot. you need to make a partition in there.. but beware, you might lose data if you do |
| 22:13.33 | xoz | Virtual: or index tab |
| 22:13.41 | simon | could some explain wha this means to me: "error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory" |
| 22:13.53 | poison | tnx cthulfuego |
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| 22:14.14 | Virtual | xoz: I don`t have any options like that in session |
| 22:14.17 | xoz | simon: explain more... what program... give us background. we cannot read your ming |
| 22:14.18 | lvthn | !info ndiswrapper |
| 22:14.20 | xoz | mind |
| 22:14.23 | lvthn | !info ndiswrapper-source |
| 22:14.28 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-source: (Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 22:14.32 | valdyn | lvthn: /msg dpkg blahblah |
| 22:14.32 | jum | xoz: it seems to me the system tries to check the /dev/md0 and not having the driver vor sata or raid loaded |
| 22:14.36 | xoz | Virtual: add ? |
| 22:14.42 | Seb | cdrecord is -rwsr-xr--, i'm in the cdrom group, yet I can't burn as myself (cdrecord: Cannot allocate memory. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer.). I'm running 2.6.11. Any ideas ? |
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| 22:15.07 | Triffid_Hunter | Seb, is the burner a scsi burner? |
| 22:15.12 | xoz | jum: did you enable initrd? you compiled your kernel and forgot to do it? |
| 22:15.13 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: no, IDE |
| 22:15.20 | Virtual | xoz: nope, nothing like that |
| 22:15.21 | Seb | i'm trying to use the ATAPI interface, btw |
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| 22:15.23 | Triffid_Hunter | Seb then why use scsi interface? |
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| 22:15.33 | greg_work | does anyone know of a vnc/freenx/rdp-type program that will actually split out windows of a client OS into windows locally? |
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| 22:15.37 | valdyn | simon: df | grep shnm |
| 22:15.39 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: i'm not, it's the point |
| 22:15.39 | valdyn | simon: df | grep shm |
| 22:15.47 | Virtual | ok i`ll try the link otion, brb |
| 22:15.51 | newbie01 | oskie, thats too risky |
| 22:15.52 | Triffid_Hunter | seb, tell cdrecord to use your /dev/cdrom |
| 22:15.58 | chops | greg_work: ssh -X |
| 22:16.07 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: scsidev: 'ATAPI:0,0,0' |
| 22:16.09 | jum | xoz: I don't know. Its the first time I install debian. How can I check |
| 22:16.09 | simon | xoz: vchkpw is the program, part of the vpopmail set of binaries. essentially it is called during pop3 auth either by direct connection to 110 or via a script. |
| 22:16.10 | Triffid_Hunter | seb, rather than atapi:0,0,0 or whatever it uses by def'ault |
| 22:16.16 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: ok, let me try that |
| 22:16.16 | SerajewelKS | xoz, the clock is still drifting after the modprobe |
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| 22:16.31 | EmleyMoor | I'm having trouble finding anything that will function as a rescue disk |
| 22:16.33 | simon | valdyn: nothing comes up |
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| 22:16.40 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: same error |
| 22:16.41 | greg_work | chops: cross-platforms |
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| 22:16.55 | valdyn | simon: ls -l /dev/shm/ |
| 22:17.02 | chops | greg_work: It _is_ cross-platform. It just doesn't work on Windows. :-) |
| 22:17.09 | SerajewelKS | xoz, but the system clock is keeping time |
| 22:17.17 | simon | valdyn: total 0 |
| 22:17.20 | SerajewelKS | xoz, the hw clock is falling behind -- so the battery is the most likely suspect? |
| 22:17.27 | Milhouse | does anyone here use vsftpd? Is there some sorta trick to get this service running? |
| 22:17.38 | valdyn | simon: rebooting will probably already fix this. |
| 22:17.44 | xoz | jum: your hunch maybe is correct... it seems the driver should be loaded but since initrd is not enabled, there is no way for the module to be in the kernel so that it will recognize raid. |
| 22:17.51 | xoz | SerajewelKS: i guess |
| 22:17.59 | greg_work | chops: touche ;) |
| 22:18.10 | valdyn | simon: drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 40 2005-06-10 07:14 shm should exist |
| 22:18.14 | xoz | SerajewelKS: when was the last time you changed it? |
| 22:18.22 | simon | valdyn: nods. what causes the shared memory to get used up? |
| 22:18.24 | SerajewelKS | xoz, never, but the mobo is less than a year old |
| 22:18.25 | valdyn | simon: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs mounts it |
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| 22:18.38 | newbie01 | i really to get the data from this partition. any hind how to do this ? ( marked partition on screenshot : http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot18gt.png) |
| 22:18.45 | Triffid_Hunter | seb; this is the command i use --> cdrecord -immed -eject driveropts=burnfree,hidecdr -overburn dev=/dev/hdc something.iso |
| 22:18.50 | Triffid_Hunter | seb; and it works fine for me |
| 22:18.54 | valdyn | simon: its not used up, its non existant on your system |
| 22:19.12 | xoz | simon: SerajewelKS still, i would check with a different kernel and find out. try the older stable kernel. |
| 22:19.13 | jum | xoz: thx. Now I have at least some idea, How do I enable initrd. |
| 22:19.22 | SerajewelKS | xoz, k |
| 22:19.25 | SerajewelKS | thanks |
| 22:19.28 | SerajewelKS | xoz++ |
| 22:19.31 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: k, lemme try /dev/hdc directly rather than /dev/dvd |
| 22:19.36 | simon | valdyn i dont have mountvirtfs in /etc/init.d |
| 22:19.40 | SerajewelKS | zinx++ |
| 22:19.52 | Triffid_Hunter | seb; that'll only work if your cdrom is primary master ;) |
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| 22:20.05 | beardy | newbie01: /msg dpkg testdisk , /msg dpkg find testdisk |
| 22:20.05 | Triffid_Hunter | i mean primary slave.. :/ |
| 22:20.06 | simon | xoz: i've been running 2.6.3 or so for at least a year with no problems. this happened after the upgrade to sarge. |
| 22:20.08 | xoz | jum: man mkinitrd or if you compile your kernel, make sure raid, ide, rootfs drivers are compiled static so that you don't need initrd. |
| 22:20.12 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: heh, I know that :> |
| 22:20.16 | valdyn | simon: cat /etc/debian_version , uname -r |
| 22:20.19 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: I get the same error |
| 22:20.23 | Triffid_Hunter | damnit not even that one.. 8am does that |
| 22:20.24 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: you mean secondary master |
| 22:20.30 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah that one |
| 22:20.32 | Seb | :D |
| 22:20.33 | simon | valdyn 2.6.5 rather |
| 22:20.36 | jum | xoz: i will get on that |
| 22:20.41 | xoz | simon: did you use dist-upgrade? |
| 22:20.58 | simon | xoz: yes i did. |
| 22:21.05 | valdyn | simon: 2.6.5 in debian? from which date is that install? |
| 22:21.25 | simon | valdyn: i compiled it. |
| 22:21.25 | valdyn | simon: still need 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 22:21.33 | newbie01 | beardy: i am currently running testdisk. its an awfull userinterface ( i think i started the "deep search" up to now about 10 times or so -> the results always get lost) |
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| 22:22.03 | simon | valdyn: 3.1 deb vers |
| 22:22.03 | valdyn | simon: install a debian kernel, that will take care of setting up support for 2.6 kernels |
| 22:22.17 | poison | cthulfuego : apt-get dist-upgrade -f failes with the same error |
| 22:22.23 | valdyn | !find etc/init.d/mountvirtfs |
| 22:22.26 | newbie01 | beardy, and btw : i dont really got the point howto to recover with that tool |
| 22:22.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/init.d/mountvirtfs' (1): (/etc/init.d/mountvirtfs) in base/initscripts. |
| 22:22.37 | poison | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.50 | simon | valdyn could i just compile what support i need in with my current src files? |
| 22:22.50 | valdyn | simon: somehow you are either running a very broken install or not debian |
| 22:23.10 | simon | valdyn: i dist-upgrade'd from woody. |
| 22:23.19 | valdyn | simon: with apt-get ? |
| 22:23.28 | valdyn | simon: your dist-upgrade is defenitely incomplete |
| 22:23.31 | xoz | valdyn: try dpkg --pending --configure |
| 22:23.44 | valdyn | xoz: why would I ? |
| 22:24.01 | xoz | valdyn: pending packages not configured? |
| 22:24.06 | xoz | properly |
| 22:24.13 | valdyn | xoz: no such issue |
| 22:24.14 | poison | man this is shit, I only have one ssh session open to that box and if I open another ssh I get the same glibc error :s |
| 22:24.30 | xoz | valdyn: sorry... it's for simon |
| 22:24.32 | valdyn | simon: run it again or read the sarge release notes or /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 22:24.35 | simon | valdyn: hrm... apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade show me no packages to install. and the dpkg --pending --configure just goes back to the root shell, no output. |
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| 22:24.45 | xoz | simon: dpkg --pending --configure |
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| 22:24.47 | simon | valdyn: k |
| 22:24.58 | simon | xoz that gives me nothing. |
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| 22:25.01 | xoz | simon: then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:25.04 | valdyn | simon: maybe your /etc/apt/sources.list is wrong |
| 22:25.13 | poison | is there anybody with a clue please? /bin/sh: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /lib/libncurses.so.5) |
| 22:25.26 | poison | it fails everywhere (even with man) |
| 22:25.32 | xoz | simon: then check for your package prefs in /etc/apt/ ... pinned packages... priority of upgrade |
| 22:25.33 | simon | valdyn: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 22:25.33 | simon | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 22:25.33 | simon | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:25.36 | mediafly | HighPingedLPB, in my /etc/apt/sources.list I still have entries with sarge. Since I want to use the testing packages to I have to replace all "sarge" by "testing"? |
| 22:25.37 | simon | ug sorry all |
| 22:25.39 | valdyn | simon: your system install is incomplete anyway and lacks base package(s), so sure support for 2.6 kernels |
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| 22:25.51 | mediafly | in my /etc/apt/sources.list I still have entries with sarge. Since I want to use the testing packages to I have to replace all "sarge" by "testing"? |
| 22:25.57 | caphuso | poison: did you mix woody wit sarge or sid? |
| 22:26.07 | poison | woody with sarge |
| 22:26.08 | beardy | newbie01: http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html and maybe /usr/share/doc/testdisk, man testdisk |
| 22:26.21 | chealer | mediafly: yes |
| 22:26.25 | valdyn | simon: what does 'apt-get install initscripts' do ? |
| 22:26.36 | caphuso | poison: great. you can't do that. finish the upgrade |
| 22:26.48 | poison | caphuso : it failes |
| 22:26.57 | simon | valdyn: already newest version. |
| 22:27.03 | valdyn | simon: stable/upgrades is NOT a complete sarge, its only updates for sarge |
| 22:27.06 | mediafly | chealer, but than I get "Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages 404 Not Found" when upgrading |
| 22:27.07 | caphuso | poison: oh, even better. what fails exactly? |
| 22:27.10 | poison | apt-get dist-upgrade errors with E: Unmet dependencies. |
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| 22:27.20 | poison | so if I do apt-get dist-upgrade -f |
| 22:27.27 | poison | I get |
| 22:27.27 | newbie01 | beardy, rtfm is really don't what i need now, since filesystem recovery, parrtions is a whole new complex for me. no specific help for me in near future inhere ? |
| 22:27.30 | valdyn | simon: dpkg -l it, bet its the woody version |
| 22:27.37 | ludi | would anyone please help me with the diff'ing of 2 files please? |
| 22:27.39 | poison | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.43 | xoz | poison: try dpkg --pending --configure |
| 22:27.53 | valdyn | !info initscripts woody |
| 22:28.02 | valdyn | simon: dpkg -l initscripts |
| 22:28.15 | caphuso | ludi: diff file1 file2. add "-u" if you want it a bit more readable |
| 22:28.16 | poison | xoz: than I get a huge bunch of lines |
| 22:28.27 | poison | all dependency problems |
| 22:28.38 | poison | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libreadline4: |
| 22:28.38 | poison | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.38 | poison | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:28.43 | simon | valdyn: initscripts 2.86.ds1-1 |
| 22:28.47 | caphuso | poison: that's not looking good |
| 22:28.49 | beardy | newbie01: Well, you have to be able to run the program yourself. I can't do it for you. If you don't know how it should be run, you have to read something to find out. |
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| 22:29.01 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: is your cdrecord SUID root ? |
| 22:29.02 | poison | yeah I know :s and I have only one ssh session left :s |
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| 22:29.15 | ludi | caphuso: what do all the + and - symbols mean? |
| 22:29.22 | valdyn | simon: how can /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs not exist? |
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| 22:29.29 | caphuso | ludi: lines that are added/removed |
| 22:29.33 | xoz | poison: force the new libc6... otherwise, other deps will not work |
| 22:29.34 | ludi | caphuso: does it compare line by line? I don't want that. |
| 22:29.36 | mediafly | Why does "http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Sources" not work? I've replaces all "sarge" by "testing" in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:29.42 | simon | valdyn i duno heh! |
| 22:29.42 | caphuso | ludi: yes, it does |
| 22:29.43 | poison | xoz: how? |
| 22:29.55 | valdyn | simon: apt-get --reinstall install initscripts |
| 22:29.58 | ludi | caphuso: I have two files, each with a list of package names. I want to know which packages are listed by one file but not the other. |
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| 22:29.59 | tcsetattr | mediafly, put a space before main, not a slash |
| 22:30.00 | caphuso | xoz: that's tricky, when /bin/sh fails |
| 22:30.03 | cureless | "sid is again ... unstable" oh, so we got gnome 2.10 |
| 22:30.06 | newbie01 | beardy, it IS already running. (saerching) ... but how to recover ? |
| 22:30.37 | mikael_ | can I get with aptitude the nVIDIA graphics drivers (debian sarge) ?? |
| 22:30.42 | valdyn | mediafly: why the hell are you assuming that testing gets security updates? |
| 22:30.45 | simon | valdyn ok mountvirtfs is there now. running... |
| 22:31.09 | jethro | ludi: sort -u both files, then use diff |
| 22:31.15 | simon | valdyn "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on tmpfs, |
| 22:31.15 | simon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.15 | simon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.17 | simon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:31.27 | simon | sorry all. |
| 22:31.32 | mediafly | valdyn, so, I've to remove all the "security updates" entries when I want to use the testing dev tree? |
| 22:31.35 | caphuso | ludi: you want a file that includes all packages mentioned in either of the two files? |
| 22:31.42 | valdyn | mediafly: yes |
| 22:32.08 | poison | goddamnit |
| 22:32.29 | EmleyMoor | How do I format a floppy disk in /dev/sda? |
| 22:32.29 | valdyn | simon: does /dev/shm exist? if not, make it |
| 22:32.36 | Blehsah | is there a way to search apt |
| 22:32.48 | Milhouse | apt-cache search name |
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| 22:33.08 | caphuso | poison: how good are your debian skills? |
| 22:33.09 | Milhouse | for example apt-cache search gayporn |
| 22:33.14 | valdyn | simon: with these permissions: drwxrwxrwt |
| 22:33.19 | poison | caphuso : not good at all |
| 22:33.31 | poison | caphuso : just enough to run a few servers |
| 22:33.33 | Triffid_Hunter | EmleyMoor: mkfs.<something> /dev/sda <-- press mkfs.<tab><tab> to see what your choices are |
| 22:33.34 | caphuso | poison: then it's probably easiest to just backup all your important data and reinstall |
| 22:33.35 | xoz | EmleyMoor: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 |
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| 22:33.43 | ludi | caphuso: no. one file is a list of packages that result from the apt-get install gnome command. the other is a list of files that result from the apt-get install gnome-desktop command. I'm trying to figure out what is the difference (in terms of packages installed) between these two commands. |
| 22:33.51 | xoz | Blehsah: apt-cache search |
| 22:33.56 | poison | caphuso : the server is remote and I can't ssh/ftp to it |
| 22:33.56 | EmleyMoor | I don't want to mkfs it - but fair enough |
| 22:34.18 | poison | can't I just force a downgrade? |
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| 22:34.21 | mediafly | valdyn, what are the important entries my sources.list should contain? That's my current sources.list http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=6520 Is it ok? |
| 22:34.25 | Milhouse | how do I selected all with vi? |
| 22:34.28 | J_P | can you help me find problem with this mount ? : neo:~# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1/; mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/hda1/ busy |
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| 22:34.36 | caphuso | poison: without a working /bin/sh? probably not |
| 22:34.49 | beardy | newbie01: After the search, do you get a list of partitions that are found? |
| 22:34.53 | J_P | say already mounted, but not has mounted... :-( |
| 22:35.02 | jair | guys I am looking for the screensaver of the matrix for linux |
| 22:35.03 | poison | caphuso : I can perform dpkg and apt commands |
| 22:35.04 | Durin | ludi: sort then an run 'diff -c file1 file2' |
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| 22:35.13 | jair | I think should be on the kde screensaver |
| 22:35.24 | valdyn | mediafly: i would remove the lines 3,4,7,8 |
| 22:35.31 | jethro | ludi: grep -v -f file1 file2 |
| 22:35.41 | jethro | ludi: try that both ways |
| 22:35.41 | valdyn | mediafly: non-US is obsolete |
| 22:35.43 | caphuso | poison: which in turn run {pre,post}{rm,inst} scripts, which are mostly shell scripts using /bin/sh... |
| 22:36.01 | poison | hm |
| 22:36.28 | poison | can't I give it a try? |
| 22:36.34 | simon | valdyn: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Jun 6 20:51 shm |
| 22:36.34 | Seb | Triffid_Hunter: victory !!! I have to remove the SUID bit from cdrecord*, and use /dev/hdc. Then everything works... |
| 22:36.38 | newbie01 | beardy, yes. i will give you the results soon |
| 22:36.44 | J_P | caphuso: can you help me ? |
| 22:36.47 | gabyweb | valdyn: can we replace non-US by something in the sources.list ? or is it include in an other entry ? |
| 22:36.49 | caphuso | poison: you might be able to dpkg -x a woody bash .deb package, copy the bash executable in there to /bin/sh and pray |
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| 22:36.55 | simon | valdyn: shall chmod 777 it? |
| 22:37.02 | ludi | jethro: it says that -v "no such file" |
| 22:37.07 | valdyn | gabyweb: it is in main/contrib/non-free |
| 22:37.07 | mediafly | valdyn, so non-US is not upgraded any more? And why remove like 3 and 4? I though these were the main packages? |
| 22:37.11 | webuadata | anyone know how to edit kde's toolbar |
| 22:37.13 | caphuso | J_P: don't ask specific people for help |
| 22:37.25 | Triffid_Hunter | Seb, good to hear :) |
| 22:37.43 | valdyn | mediafly: main packages are aswell covered by 5,6 |
| 22:37.44 | jethro | ludi: -v -f file |
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| 22:37.46 | J_P | :-( |
| 22:38.04 | poison | cplx: cannot create regular file `/bin/bash': Text file busy |
| 22:38.06 | jethro | ludi: how did you get the list of packages? |
| 22:38.09 | poison | ls |
| 22:38.17 | valdyn | mediafly: i do find having identical mirrors annoying when running apt-get update, thats up to you. |
| 22:38.18 | mediafly | valdyn, thx |
| 22:38.23 | valdyn | simon: yea |
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| 22:39.09 | simon | valdyn: still getting the same error when running mountvirtfs. |
| 22:39.17 | poison | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.18 | poison | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.26 | caphuso | poison: well, you're fucked |
| 22:39.43 | jethro | ludi: if I were you, I'd do dpkg --get-selections > file{1,2} on both configurations, and use grep -v -f file1 file2, then grep -v file2 file1 |
| 22:39.44 | poison | can't I just force libc6 (the old one) |
| 22:39.54 | ludi | nope that didn't work |
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| 22:39.58 | caphuso | poison: try it... good luck |
| 22:40.25 | jethro | s/-v file/-v -f file/ |
| 22:40.37 | caphuso | poison: but then, you already have the old version of libc6 installed, so it's not going to do much |
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| 22:40.48 | caphuso | poison: the problem is that you need the NEW libc6 |
| 22:40.58 | caphuso | the 2.3 one, not the 2.2 one |
| 22:41.02 | poison | ok shit, so I 'll have to drive to the datacenter |
| 22:41.04 | valdyn | simon: i guess your kernel lacks something, i have no idea which atm, trying a debian kernel would be a good way to see if that is the case. |
| 22:41.13 | poison | lost shell :s |
| 22:41.15 | poison | grmbl |
| 22:41.17 | MrBallZ | how do i make a user , have super user privileges ? .... |
| 22:41.28 | MrBallZ | so i dont have to go su - everytime |
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| 22:41.34 | caphuso | MrBallZ: you don't |
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| 22:41.39 | poison | ssh crashed |
| 22:41.40 | caphuso | that's pointless and stupid |
| 22:41.41 | poison | damnit |
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| 22:41.47 | poison | is there a thing I can do? |
| 22:41.51 | poison | with a cd or something? |
| 22:41.58 | Blehsah | yea |
| 22:41.59 | MrBallZ | capusho: for example for compiling or apt-get installing .... |
| 22:41.59 | caphuso | poison: driving to the datacenter and reinstalling |
| 22:42.00 | Blehsah | burn it |
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| 22:42.05 | Area-51 | sarge is now stable, right? |
| 22:42.06 | prolific | anyone know how i can mirror a PHPBB forum section so i can read the topics while offline ? |
| 22:42.07 | poison | I'll boot from cd and then upgrade everything? |
| 22:42.12 | caphuso | MrBallZ: you do *not* compile stuff as root |
| 22:42.21 | MrBallZ | err ... |
| 22:42.36 | valdyn | simon: grep SHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 22:42.43 | simon | valdyn: nods. any idea why this start showing up after upgrade? |
| 22:42.45 | mediafly | Area-51, yes |
| 22:42.50 | caphuso | MrBallZ: you can use sudo too, although that's overkill for 99% of the population and severely abused |
| 22:42.59 | MrBallZ | ok , but , so is it pointless to have a normal user, with root privileges, so i dont have to type the root password each time ... |
| 22:43.09 | green_earz | MrBallZ: or fakeroot |
| 22:43.10 | valdyn | simon: because your new libc6 needs this. |
| 22:43.24 | simon | valdyn: gotcha. |
| 22:43.27 | caphuso | green_earz: fakeroot is only useful for building .debs |
| 22:43.32 | Area-51 | ok, so if sarge is stable, then should i modify my deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to read stable instead of testing? |
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| 22:43.46 | greg13535 | could someone point me in the right direction? i am trying to get my wireless card working linksys wpc54g ver 4 on debian with 2.6.8 kernel |
| 22:43.47 | caphuso | Area-51: if you want to stick to sarge |
| 22:43.56 | ludi | What is the difference between gnome and gnome-desktop packages? |
| 22:43.57 | poison | caphuso : is there a chance to upgrade to sarge from CD? |
| 22:44.02 | valdyn | Area-51: and if you have not upgraded or dist-upgraded since sarge released |
| 22:44.08 | MrBallZ | green_earz : so with fake root , how do i do it, or what are the advantages ... |
| 22:44.19 | xoz | Area-51: use sarge |
| 22:44.24 | caphuso | MrBallZ: fakeroot won't help you |
| 22:44.28 | Area-51 | xoz: why do you say that? |
| 22:44.47 | caphuso | poison: a chance? sure |
| 22:44.54 | xoz | Area-51: sarge will be sarge forever |
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| 22:44.59 | valdyn | simon: CONFIG_SHMEM=y |
| 22:45.18 | rich0rd | greetings |
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| 22:45.41 | MrBallZ | capusho: so ... everytime you also want to install something , you just su - then go root, install , then logout , and back to normal ? |
| 22:45.50 | caphuso | MrBallZ: yes |
| 22:45.54 | poison | caphuso: and does that contain any risks? |
| 22:45.56 | newbie01 | beardy, please take a look to the "deep search" of testdrive : http://pastebin.com/298634 |
| 22:46.06 | xoz | Area-51: s/stableortesting/sarge in sources.list |
| 22:46.11 | simon | valdyn: i'm looking at what fs support shm needs. i duno what CONFIG_SHMEM=y is all about. |
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| 22:46.23 | Area-51 | hmm |
| 22:46.30 | valdyn | !shmem |
| 22:46.35 | Seb | MrBallZ: no, you use sudo |
| 22:46.49 | Area-51 | xoz: so its safe to rename the testing lines to stable with sarge |
| 22:46.54 | Seb | MrBallZ: caphuso simply forgot about sudo, pardon him |
| 22:46.56 | valdyn | simon: implementation of shared memory for ipc |
| 22:47.05 | rich0rd | i am just burning sarge, to get rid of this damn ubuntu installation, was a mistake to install it anyway |
| 22:47.15 | xoz | Area-51: remember we call woody more often than stable? |
| 22:47.16 | Seb | caphuso: you didn't forget ? |
| 22:47.17 | valdyn | simon: needs tmpfs, but you seem to have that. |
| 22:47.19 | caphuso | Seb: 00:42 caphuso> MrBallZ: you can use sudo too, although |
| 22:47.22 | initech | oh christ, I log in as root sometimes, wtf |
| 22:47.37 | Area-51 | xoz: i dont understand your question |
| 22:47.46 | ralf | dpkg: volatile.debian.org |
| 22:48.02 | ralf | what is volatile.debian.org? |
| 22:48.04 | Seb | caphuso: i guess I came in too late. But I don't see why you'd tell him "yes' to his "use su" way |
| 22:48.12 | caphuso | Seb: why not? |
| 22:48.15 | poison | well I'm off to the datacenter thanks all and see you with an hour or something |
| 22:48.22 | Seb | caphuso: cause it's suboptimal ? |
| 22:48.25 | caphuso | Seb: why? |
| 22:48.28 | caphuso | because it works? |
| 22:48.39 | valdyn | ralf: why dont you go to http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 22:48.43 | Seb | caphuso: suboptimal, as in "there is somethign that does the same in a more efficient way" |
| 22:48.44 | initech | what is wrong with "su"? |
| 22:48.47 | simon | valdyn: maybe edit /etc/default/tmpfs to TMPFS_SIZE= something? |
| 22:48.47 | caphuso | and are you interested in guiding him through setting up sudo? |
| 22:48.51 | greg_work | how do i enable ip_nat_ftp on startup? |
| 22:48.53 | hakker | question - i just installed a fresh copy of sarge and during the install, when X was being configured, I chose medium mode and specified a max 1280x1024@60hz. however, I grabbed a different monitor capable of 1600x1200 and added that to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 but the system seems to ignore that config file |
| 22:48.54 | quittt | where is the fucking torcs binary? |
| 22:48.56 | ralf | valdyn: ah, thanks |
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| 22:49.07 | quittt | !torcs |
| 22:49.13 | Seb | caphuso: that's easy enough, so yeah |
| 22:49.19 | caphuso | Seb: it is? |
| 22:49.20 | valdyn | simon: any particular reason why you want to change the defaults? should be fine as it is. |
| 22:49.32 | xoz | Area-51: sarge is stable but stable is not always sarge in the future |
| 22:49.37 | hakker | where are resolution, etc settings made if not in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 22:49.38 | Area-51 | ah |
| 22:49.39 | simon | valdyn: it's not set as anything atm. |
| 22:49.42 | Seb | caphuso: i won't recommend suboptimal solutions just cause guiding someone thorugh it is more painful that some other, less effcient, solution |
| 22:49.43 | initech | Seb: sudo does not work, say, when you have a nis/ldap environment and the host does not use those name services. that's the most typical reason you can't use sudo |
| 22:49.49 | Seb | caphuso: granted, I don't spend 8 hours a day here :> |
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| 22:49.55 | valdyn | simon: it will default to a sane value ( half your ram ) |
| 22:49.56 | caphuso | Seb: i won't recommend braindamaged solutions |
| 22:49.59 | Area-51 | xoz: what should i replace the 'testing' lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list then? |
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| 22:50.07 | caphuso | Seb: and setting up sudo in a non-braindamaged way is not easy |
| 22:50.09 | Area-51 | or will sarge always be considered testing? ;P |
| 22:50.10 | simon | valdyn: nods. |
| 22:50.10 | reamtS_ | anyone know any good sites about 'LDAP' and windows client? |
| 22:50.10 | EmleyMoor | I am still having trouble - I have a disk that seems fine and ready apart from the fact that grub is not installed. What should I do to install grub on it? |
| 22:50.13 | xoz | Area-51: yeah. change it to sarge |
| 22:50.13 | Seb | caphuso: sudo is braindamaged ? |
| 22:50.14 | shingouz | hakker: /msg dpkg xmd5sum, /msg dpkg drxx. try those, read what dpkg tells you and do what the instructions say |
| 22:50.18 | Area-51 | xoz: ok, thanks :) |
| 22:50.20 | valdyn | simon: just leave it, recompile your kernel w/ shmem support, thats it |
| 22:50.26 | caphuso | Seb: read above |
| 22:50.38 | simon | valdyn: ok thank you for all your help! ;) |
| 22:50.40 | ludi | When you install Sarge and choose "Desktop Environment", does it install the gnome-desktop package or just gnome? |
| 22:50.54 | shingouz | ludi: kde and gnome afaik |
| 22:51.00 | beardy | newbie01: Is it the / (root) partition you are trying to recover? |
| 22:51.03 | valdyn | ludi: man tasksel |
| 22:51.17 | green_earz | MrBallZ: when you compile a kernel in /usr/scr its best to compile with fakeroot > apt-cache show fakeroot |
| 22:51.17 | Seb | initech: i'm not sure I understand what you mean, although the concepts you refer to are familiar to me. Can you give an example ? |
| 22:51.46 | rich0rd | @Seb: so you reccomand using sudo for apt-get install and so on? What's the advantage? And why is it not recommanded using su? |
| 22:51.56 | newbie01 | beardy, nope thats another ext2 : the one with number 3 on http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot18gt.png |
| 22:52.28 | Seb | rich0rd: the advanatge is it's only one command: sudo apt-get install ... |
| 22:52.33 | Area-51 | is there ganna be anything special about sid over sarge? |
| 22:52.33 | mediafly | I remember there was a command to test the speed to the Debian package server (used in sources.list). What was its name again? |
| 22:52.34 | ludi | shingouz: yes but is gnome installed with the 'gnome' package or with the 'gnome-desktop' package.... |
| 22:52.36 | shingouz | newbie01: did you try mounting the partition as i told you to do? |
| 22:52.39 | hakker | shingouz: i'll check it out, thanks |
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| 22:52.46 | shingouz | ludi: gnome afaik |
| 22:52.48 | thomas_adam | mediafly: apt-auto ? |
| 22:52.48 | initech | Seb: sure. say you have a database server - that's all it does. many db admins are nearly religeous about keeping dependencies to a minimum, meaning name services like ldap or nis (the common ones) are not used. since your use account only exists in ldap|nis|whatever, you can't use sudo since your user account does not exist on the machine |
| 22:52.51 | Seb | rich0rd: as some people pointed, it might not be suitable in some specific environments. If you only administer one box, it's fine |
| 22:52.55 | thomas_adam | mediafly: Ignore that. |
| 22:53.01 | xoz | Area-51: sid is unstable forever |
| 22:53.08 | Area-51 | hmm |
| 22:53.13 | Seb | initech: you mean a box where the only access is root ? |
| 22:53.15 | Area-51 | that doesnt sound like fun at all ;P |
| 22:53.18 | xoz | and etch is the new testing |
| 22:53.20 | valdyn | mediafly: netselect |
| 22:53.25 | caphuso | initech: what's the problem with NIS/LDAP setups and sudo? |
| 22:53.29 | shingouz | Area-51: and not recommended unless you are a masochist or developer |
| 22:53.37 | initech | Seb: there might be one account allowed to login then su to root, something like that |
| 22:53.38 | xoz | Area-51: more than 60% here uses sid ;) |
| 22:53.38 | valdyn | mediafly: and/or netselect-apt |
| 22:53.40 | newbie01 | shingouz, nice to hear from you: i told you thats a dumb advice if you may take a look to http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot18gt.png where the marked partition is the one i need to recover |
| 22:53.42 | Area-51 | :P |
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| 22:53.55 | Seb | initech: well this one account could as well be setup to have some sudo prvileges then ? |
| 22:53.56 | shingouz | newbie01: the ext3 partition? |
| 22:53.57 | EmleyMoor | How is one supposed, with sarge, to install grub on a disk if all the files are there? |
| 22:54.08 | shingouz | Area-51: someone who likes punishment |
| 22:54.19 | Area-51 | shingouz: oh |
| 22:54.19 | quittt | cade a porra do torcs? |
| 22:54.20 | initech | caphuso: shrug.it's a dependency. sometimes machines nearly lock up when ldap, for e.g., is unavailable. some people don't like that. |
| 22:54.24 | Area-51 | thats me :P |
| 22:54.27 | quittt | where is fucking torcs binary? |
| 22:54.34 | shingouz | Area-51: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:54.38 | Area-51 | ty |
| 22:54.41 | caphuso | initech: that's a general problem with LDAP and not related to sudo |
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| 22:54.47 | rich0rd | hmn i used sid for one year - and did nod have "big" troubles |
| 22:54.47 | mediafly | valdyn, that what i was looking for. thx |
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| 22:54.49 | quittt | !torcs |
| 22:54.52 | shingouz | Area-51: in short: don't |
| 22:54.52 | Seb | to me, the whole point of sudo is to delegate *some* administrative tasks, yet not share the root passwd with morons :) That's much better than allowing people to su, in my opinion. At least you ensure they can't fuck anything up |
| 22:54.56 | caphuso | s/LDAP/network based authentification/ |
| 22:54.58 | EmleyMoor | I need to boot from a floppy or CD and install grub on the hard disk - and am now at the stage of considering that I need serious guidance |
| 22:54.59 | ludi | nobody knows if "Desktop Environment" uses 'gnome' or 'gnome-desktop' package to install gnome???? |
| 22:55.13 | newbie01 | shingouz, which part of "marked partition on http://img247.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot18gt.png" do you not understand ? the partition type i need to recover is free / hidden. btw thats the last time i explain myself in this case to you |
| 22:55.23 | initech | caphuso: it's a problem with any environment where user accounts are in some centralized database, and there are hosts that don't need to know about that data |
| 22:55.34 | samuella | I'm having some trouble getting debian to recognize my digital camera |
| 22:55.35 | shingouz | newbie01: you sure have an attitude |
| 22:55.44 | caphuso | initech: yeah, but it still doesn't explain why sudo doesn't work in such an environment |
| 22:55.44 | xoz | EmleyMoor: boot using rescue mounting your root from linux bootprompt |
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| 22:56.10 | EmleyMoor | "using rescue" - that's the problem - I can't find something to use rescue from that actually works |
| 22:56.11 | Seb | caphuso: so, how is sudo braindamaged ? Did you refer to initech's comment about NIS'LDAP environments ? Or something else ? |
| 22:56.22 | caphuso | Seb: i never said sudo is braindamaged |
| 22:56.30 | shingouz | newbie01: if it is free i doubt that there *is* anything on it though. you sure it has been formatted as ext2? |
| 22:56.31 | quittt | why torcs is downloadeable but the binary isnt?!?! |
| 22:56.35 | quittt | isnt such BIZARRE? |
| 22:56.36 | initech | caphuso: how can you sudo from an account that does not exist? |
| 22:56.37 | nvz | heh |
| 22:56.38 | xoz | EmleyMoor: use debian cd ... it has rescue option |
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| 22:56.53 | Seb | caphuso: oh i see, i missed that comment about configuraiton |
| 22:56.56 | EmleyMoor | "debian cd" - which "debian cd" do you mean?# |
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| 22:57.07 | Seb | caphuso: well, setting it to (ALL) is not more braindamaged than using su :> |
| 22:57.10 | caphuso | initech: if you want to run something on that box, then you have to be logged in. which obviously means the account exists |
| 22:57.20 | caphuso | Seb: yes, it is |
| 22:57.22 | xoz | EmleyMoor: d-i |
| 22:57.28 | xoz | !d-i |
| 22:57.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:57.39 | green_earz | EmleyMoor: as your mbr been wiped out ? |
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| 22:57.46 | caphuso | Seb: because it effectively creates a second superuser account |
| 22:58.02 | beardy | newbie01: Please calm down. What filesystem does/did the partition have that you are trying to recover? |
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| 22:58.12 | newbie01 | shingouz, yes as the partition type fits to the lost partition |
| 22:58.13 | Seb | caphuso: hmmm, is that really worse using su ? |
| 22:58.28 | EmleyMoor | green_earz: It was never there in the first place (new disk) |
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| 22:58.35 | Vyrus001 | ok samba problem... im trying to use samba as a domain controler for 3 windows xp systems, samba is working find and i can acsess shares via the network negborhood fine, but when i try to log into the server via the domain controler, i get a windows error saying that eather the controler could not be found or my login was bad ? |
| 22:58.36 | shingouz | newbie01: have you even *tried* to mount it? |
| 22:58.37 | nvz | it really depends too on the users defaults |
| 22:58.40 | newbie01 | beardy, sorry for getting upset but shingouz already told me twice to mount a partition i am not interested in |
| 22:58.40 | xoz | Seb: really, sudo is the way to go |
| 22:58.47 | caphuso | Seb: yes |
| 22:58.54 | rich0rd | what specific problems can stop the mbr been written on a machine? grub and lilo won't install to a friend's computer |
| 22:58.56 | nvz | if the defaults are the same as su, its really not any different |
| 22:59.02 | Seb | xoz: *i* am convinced about that. caphuso is too, but he says configuring it is not too easy |
| 22:59.07 | caphuso | nvz: if they do |
| 22:59.07 | Seb | caphuso: example ? |
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| 22:59.14 | xoz | ah |
| 22:59.21 | green_earz | EmleyMoor: is grub installed on the drive ??? |
| 22:59.27 | newbie01 | shingouz, yes it was mounted and there is only one directory in it, which is lost + found |
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| 22:59.29 | hool | how did ya check for sleeping processes? |
| 22:59.41 | drasko | hi all. How to go to the gnome applications menu in nautilus... Writing applications:// don't work |
| 22:59.45 | EmleyMoor | Depends on what you mean by "installed on the drive". It is not in the MBR but is on the drive |
| 22:59.57 | nvz | drasko: add another slash |
| 22:59.58 | dondelelcaro | hool: at any moment, most processes are sleeping. |
| 23:00.00 | shingouz | newbie01: in that case you have somehow managed to screw it up, did you do a fresh install or something? |
| 23:00.01 | xoz | Seb: depends on your brain mileage :) |
| 23:00.01 | EmleyMoor | I'm lost at how to download this CD... |
| 23:00.10 | hool | dondelelcaro: 42 of them? |
| 23:00.13 | dondelelcaro | hool: sure. |
| 23:00.20 | caphuso | Seb: if i manage to get your webbrowser/MUA/IRC client/... to execute 'sudo rm -rf /' repeatedly, you'll eventually be fucked |
| 23:00.20 | Seb | xoz: hah |
| 23:00.21 | xoz | EmleyMoor: how did you install your debian? |
| 23:00.28 | hool | oh.. comfused them with stopped jobs |
| 23:00.35 | hool | sry nvmd |
| 23:00.37 | EmleyMoor | It was installed long ago and has been upgraded |
| 23:00.37 | hakker | shingouz: ok, i reconfigured it properly, but it's still starting up with the old configuration |
| 23:00.39 | Seb | caphuso: i see |
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| 23:00.53 | beardy | newbie01: On your pastebin post, which linenumber do you want to recover? |
| 23:00.53 | nvz | drasko: applications:/// |
| 23:00.57 | newbie01 | shingouz, you want me to tell how this hard disk was used ? thats a long story |
| 23:01.00 | hakker | shingouz: where are these settings actually being saved now? |
| 23:01.04 | xoz | EmleyMoor: you can get just the first cd... |
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| 23:01.08 | caphuso | Seb: unless, of course, you use e.g. tty tickets |
| 23:01.09 | shingouz | hakker: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and try some different settings |
| 23:01.16 | caphuso | Seb: but that's another thing you need to explain |
| 23:01.31 | shingouz | newbie01: it is pretty much impossible to help unless in know what you really need help with |
| 23:01.31 | exobyte | what name is after sarge? |
| 23:01.35 | Seb | caphuso: i see |
| 23:01.35 | shingouz | etch |
| 23:01.39 | Seb | caphuso: i got your point |
| 23:01.45 | exobyte | shingouz: sweet |
| 23:01.46 | drasko | nvz, not work ider - saying it's not a valid location... |
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| 23:01.49 | hakker | shingouz: i have.. in fact, i have an almost identical system hooked to the same monitor running debian sarge on a kvm and it's running the same config properly |
| 23:01.57 | newbie01 | beardy, which of the lines in pastebin describes the marked 12.65 gb partition in the sceenshot ? |
| 23:02.05 | shingouz | hakker: /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 iirc |
| 23:02.13 | nvz | drasko: bs. I just tried it to make sure, I don't even use nautilus, and I bothered starting it to check |
| 23:02.19 | hakker | shingouz: im wondering if it's the gnome preference set at 1280x1024 at this point.. can I reconfigure that? |
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| 23:02.24 | green_earz | EmleyMoor: if you have dsl connection go for the net installer 110 meg cd, and the rest is installed over the net |
| 23:02.34 | EmleyMoor | green |
| 23:02.51 | xoz | green_earz: he just need it for rescue not for install |
| 23:02.56 | hakker | shingouz: yeah, the config files are the same.. reconfiguring also didnt appear to touch the actual config file anyway.. it's as if the settings are being stored completely outside of that config file |
| 23:02.59 | green_earz | sorry |
| 23:03.01 | EmleyMoor | green_earz: I do not need to install, merely to rescue, and that net installer CD does NOT do that |
| 23:03.05 | shingouz | hakker: gnome? hmm... it has to have some other thingie somewhere, not sure where it is though. dpkg should be able to configure the X so that you get bigger resolutions |
| 23:03.08 | beardy | newbie01: Don't you know if it was on your / filesystem, or the other ext2 partition the files you want to recover were? |
| 23:03.09 | drasko | nvz, I remember it was something like that, but now won't work... |
| 23:03.19 | shingouz | hakker: did you restore the md5sum? |
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| 23:03.38 | quittt | damn! |
| 23:03.46 | nvz | drasko: something is wrong with your system, something isnt installed like maybe gnome-vfs, all of applications:, applications:/. applications://, and applications:/// resolve to applications:/// for me and work fine |
| 23:03.47 | quittt | I fucking installed torcs but the binary isnt there! |
| 23:03.47 | hakker | shingouz: the same is true on my other sarge setup.. /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 contains almost no pertinent setting information outside of the basics (e.g. it doesnt say 1600x1200 anywhere, yet I have it configured that way in gnome and it comes up that way just fine) |
| 23:03.51 | quittt | what hell! |
| 23:04.01 | caphuso | quittt: check /usr/games/ |
| 23:04.07 | hakker | shingouz: yeah, i restored the md5sum and then did the reconfig |
| 23:04.28 | shingouz | hakker: i am a bit lost now, i am not sure what and how you really do the configs then. check if gnome has somethign that you could useee? |
| 23:04.40 | nvz | drasko: I am not running gnome-panel, gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-session, or anything else, and its working for me |
| 23:04.41 | rich0rd | caphuso: shouldn't /usr/games be in the path? |
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| 23:04.47 | newbie01 | beardy, with the process of elimination it should be the third line |
| 23:04.47 | shingouz | hakker: you need a bigger resolution, right? |
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| 23:05.23 | hakker | shingouz: well, im used to just editing XF86Config.. however, it appears that on my two sarge systems (one is a fresh install), this is not where the actual resolution config is coming from |
| 23:05.23 | newbie01 | beardy, you just have to compare the sceenshot and the output of testdisk |
| 23:05.28 | caphuso | torcs: usr/games/torcs |
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| 23:05.39 | caphuso | looks existing to my rather bad eyes |
| 23:05.54 | EmleyMoor | 3 hours to download? I hope it works |
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| 23:06.12 | nvz | quittt: ffs, torcs, /usr/games/torcs |
| 23:06.15 | hakker | shingouz: on my older sarge system, XF86Config simply has most of the default stuff except for my xserver (nvidia), however, somewhere it knows that I want to run 1600x1200 because it does so just fine |
| 23:06.16 | shingouz | newbie01: is it really so impossible for you to give us the information we ask for instead of pointing to the screenshot which does not have everythign we need to help you? |
| 23:06.21 | quittt | caphuso, at aptitude there isnt torcs binary |
| 23:06.35 | quittt | only it principal files! |
| 23:06.40 | rich0rd | oh and does anybody know how to fake a eth nic with an own mac address WITHOUT using a user mode linux |
| 23:06.44 | shingouz | hakker: it should have the information in there |
| 23:06.44 | caphuso | quittt: you're making no sense |
| 23:06.55 | newbie01 | shingouz, shouldn t be that impossible: you are right |
| 23:06.57 | xoz | quittt: less /var/lib/dpkg/info/torcs.list |
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| 23:06.59 | hakker | shingouz: likewise on my new system, i can run 1280x1024 as I originally chose in the setup phase, but now I have reconfigured it and nothing changed |
| 23:07.02 | Triffid_Hunter | xorg and xfree use the highest resolution both listed in your mode lines and possible given the monitor timings |
| 23:07.05 | nvz | dpkg, info torcs sarge |
| 23:07.05 | caphuso | why the hell should aptitude care about binaries? it only needs to know about packages and their meta data |
| 23:07.06 | rich0rd | which means: i want to simulate a number of nics, and i have only one |
| 23:07.12 | glaskugel | rich0rd: tunctl? |
| 23:07.15 | shingouz | hakker: /msg dpkg paster and paste the config there, please |
| 23:07.27 | rich0rd | glaskugel: sounds nice |
| 23:07.33 | nvz | I have torcs installed, and dpkg says it doesnt exist.. heh |
| 23:07.37 | Triffid_Hunter | so if you have really fast monitor timings, but only list 800x600, it'll put you in 800x600@120hz ;) |
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| 23:07.41 | nvz | its even showing up in my apt-cache |
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| 23:07.49 | hakker | Triffid_Hunter: agreed, but in my case, no modes are listed of relevance in either case |
| 23:07.52 | rich0rd | glaskugel: i tried it, but it won't behave like a nic |
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| 23:08.22 | glaskugel | rich0rd: it should; what did you expect? |
| 23:08.24 | rich0rd | glaskugel: i think UMLs just have a special way to handle the tun device attached |
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| 23:08.30 | xoz | nvz: less /var/lib/dpkg/info/torcs.list ... where is it located? |
| 23:08.31 | Triffid_Hunter | hakker: its just going by monitor timings then.. |
| 23:08.35 | quittt | caphuso, there is only data files |
| 23:08.38 | quittt | no binaries |
| 23:08.40 | caphuso | this is weird |
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| 23:08.45 | nvz | it looks like for some odd reason it was removed from sarge.. p.d.o says unstable |
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| 23:09.03 | xoz | quittt: running sid, i suppose |
| 23:09.04 | caphuso | something seems to have gone horribly wrong with the torcs packages in testing |
| 23:09.08 | quittt | xoz, no |
| 23:09.14 | quittt | running etch |
| 23:09.39 | newbie01 | beardy, its definetly the third line since the HPFS NTFS line corresponds with the unkown filesystem in qtparted.the swap partition is no4 in qtparted and the active marked is "/ " partition in testdisk |
| 23:09.45 | nvz | I am using sarge, and I have torcs installed and its at /usr/games/torcs, but p.d.o and the bot says there is no torcs in sarge |
| 23:09.51 | caphuso | quittt: well, it might reappear eventually. wait a few days/weeks/... or try (carefully!) installing the one from sid |
| 23:09.54 | paster | "hakker" at 64.157.7.133 pasted "xf86config-4 on a system running 1600x1200 successfully" (96 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/206 |
| 23:10.00 | caphuso | nvz: you installed it before it got removed |
| 23:10.07 | nvz | obviously |
| 23:10.13 | shingouz | hakker: lets see.. |
| 23:10.14 | nvz | but I wonder why the hell it got removed |
| 23:10.23 | xoz | apt-get install torcs/sid |
| 23:10.25 | drasko | nvz, yes, you are right, i should work like that... But I havn't installed gnome-vfs.. I am installing it right now. |
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| 23:10.34 | jorge_ | srver irc.arrakis.ess |
| 23:10.49 | beardy | newbie01: Just tell use one or more of the filenames you want to recover from the partition, with it's full path, for example /home/user/music/*.mp3, or /var/www/website, or what it may be. |
| 23:10.52 | rich0rd | glaskugel: the inteface comes up, but i am not able to send pakets, or to get an ip fia dhcp |
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| 23:10.59 | caphuso | nvz: check http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=torcs |
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| 23:11.06 | nvz | drasko: sounds like a plan. I dont really even know what gnome-vfs is for.. it was a wild guess (: |
| 23:11.06 | Subvertir | http://gamelle71.free.fr/m3_gtr_nurburgring_fastdrive.org.wmv |
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| 23:11.08 | Subvertir | ownage. |
| 23:11.08 | xoz | possible license or bug problem |
| 23:11.17 | glaskugel | rich0rd: try atatching it to a bridge: bridgeutils |
| 23:11.20 | newbie01 | beardy, /Scanns/*.tif |
| 23:11.23 | rumpl | anyone knows any good rpg game without 3d, you know old school with a good story?? |
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| 23:11.46 | rich0rd | glaskugel: i've done this |
| 23:11.49 | shingouz | hakker: i am guessing it is going with the EDID information X gets from your monitor and defines the maximum resolution that way |
| 23:12.15 | rich0rd | glaskugel: ... and ubuntu just gives me the creeps, (size mismatch again) |
| 23:12.15 | paster | "hakker" at 64.157.7.133 pasted "xf86config-4 on a system running 1280x1024 with hand modified config, want 1600x1200" (101 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/207 |
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| 23:12.18 | glaskugel | rich0rd: so your routing is probably b0rked |
| 23:12.28 | drasko | nvz, GNOME VFS is the GNOME virtual file system. It is the foundation of the Nautilus file manager. It provides a modular architecture and ships with several modules that implement support for file systems, http, ftp and others. It provides a URI-based API, a backend supporting asynchronous file operations, a MIME type manipulation library and other features. |
| 23:12.41 | nvz | so if I read this correctly . . . torcs was pulled from sarge, because of a dependency situation that made it uninstallable on alpha? |
| 23:13.03 | drasko | nvz.... I'll have to restart gnome, so thanks for all the help :) |
| 23:13.11 | nvz | drasko: yeah I really dont know much I am just really fucking good at acting like it |
| 23:13.12 | chops | rumpl: The old infocom games are very good (text adventures) |
| 23:13.19 | rich0rd | glaskugel: dunno, i thought at this level tcp/ip routing should not take place, i just want a ip fia dhcp |
| 23:13.29 | xoz | rich0rd: pacman |
| 23:13.44 | xoz | good story |
| 23:13.48 | hakker | shingouz: that's probably a reasonable guess, but if so, how do I control it? in gnome, I there is a "Screen Resolution" option and I can choose from many on one system, but only up to 1280x1024 on the other system.. the only difference really is that I originally specified those values respectively when I first installed debian on the systems |
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| 23:14.02 | shingouz | hakker: is your card capable of 24 bits on that resolution in the first place? try making the color 16bit |
| 23:14.09 | rich0rd | glaskugel: but at the moment i am not able to install uml-utilities |
| 23:14.23 | beardy | newbie01: Then you want to recover the / partition. Line number 8 in the pastebin. Looks as follows: D Linux 16708 0 1 19835 254 63 50251320 [/] |
| 23:14.26 | rumpl | chops, can you give me any name, i cant find it with apt |
| 23:14.29 | darkfires | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.29 | hakker | shingouz: it's a nvidia nv41 - it's definitely capable |
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| 23:14.35 | darkfires | any ideas? i can't install gnome at all |
| 23:14.35 | nvz | oh well, I am off to a graduation party |
| 23:14.42 | darkfires | with stable or unstable |
| 23:14.47 | glaskugel | rich0rd: ? you only need tunctl |
| 23:14.58 | shingouz | hakker: and you are sure the monitor can take the resulting freqs too? |
| 23:15.08 | nvz | thats some bs, that they pulled torcs for waiting on plib, just because it makes 3 other pacages uninstallable on alpha.. |
| 23:15.13 | hakker | shingouz: again, it's connected to the same monitor through the same KVM |
| 23:15.14 | rich0rd | glaskugel: which is in package uml-utilities (or?) |
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| 23:15.16 | p30n | question: how do i check what device my usb hdd got so i can mount the filesystem from /dev/ ? |
| 23:15.33 | xoz | p30n: dmesg |
| 23:15.37 | Virtual | how can I add my printer with CUPS ? |
| 23:15.45 | p30n | it doesnt say there xoz |
| 23:15.48 | nvz | I guess its better than being known as the maintainer that held up the release |
| 23:15.49 | rich0rd | nvz: apt-get drunk? |
| 23:15.54 | caphuso | Virtual: http://localhost:631/admin |
| 23:15.54 | nvz | hahaa |
| 23:15.56 | glaskugel | rich0rd: yes, but i thought you had it |
| 23:16.03 | nvz | rich0rd: If'n I'm lucky |
| 23:16.07 | shingouz | hakker: grab the X.log from /var/log and paste that one too. off the system with the problem, of course |
| 23:16.12 | rich0rd | nvz: good luck then |
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| 23:16.19 | nvz | rich0rd: and go embarass my buddy and steal his g/fs |
| 23:16.22 | xoz | p30n: modprobe usb-storage |
| 23:16.38 | hakker | (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU detected as: GeForce 6800 |
| 23:16.44 | hakker | (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X |
| 23:16.44 | nvz | its a graduation party, they should be fair game :P |
| 23:16.46 | newbie01 | beardy, i do not know how you conclude to te [/] line since i got to another result with the process of elimanation |
| 23:16.47 | shingouz | hakker: not here, paster :) |
| 23:16.48 | hakker | (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoRAM: 262144 kBytes |
| 23:16.51 | rich0rd | glaskugel: well i tried it once, but i installed ubuntu (which was a failure) |
| 23:16.54 | chops | rumpl: apt-get install frotz, and get the story files (illegally) from the web. |
| 23:16.54 | hakker | just a line or two |
| 23:16.55 | hakker | hehe |
| 23:17.02 | Virtual | caphuso: yes I am at the form to add the printer but i`m not sure what to do here |
| 23:17.13 | xoz | p30n: dmesg again |
| 23:17.18 | caphuso | Virtual: you, uh, add your printer |
| 23:17.21 | shingouz | the whole log, in paster, hakker (if it fits there) |
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| 23:17.37 | caphuso | now that was helpful. even i realize that... |
| 23:17.42 | Virtual | caphuso: yes but in the location field what do I put? |
| 23:17.44 | hakker | shingouz: yeah.. i'll try to keep it to relavent parts.. parsing through it now |
| 23:17.44 | newbie01 | beardy, but i will go on with your information. how do i start any recovery of this partition ? |
| 23:17.48 | rumpl | chops, illegal is bad :) |
| 23:17.54 | glaskugel | rich0rd: debootstrap, chroot ;) |
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| 23:18.10 | shingouz | hakker: ok, i am trying te determine wtf X is actually doing/trying to do |
| 23:18.10 | caphuso | Virtual: "east of eden" |
| 23:18.23 | rich0rd | glaskugel: so i installed tunctl after all |
| 23:18.23 | caphuso | or "left side of my table" |
| 23:18.23 | Virtual | yeah, thanks for the usefull help |
| 23:18.34 | EmleyMoor | zork1 is readily available and not illegal |
| 23:18.38 | xoz | p30n modprobe: ohci-hcd ehci-hcd uhci-hcd |
| 23:18.58 | darkfires | I'm having problems with apt installing gnome |
| 23:19.02 | rich0rd | glaskugel: will break my ubuntu, but ... who cares, the servers always give me size mismatches and apt refuses to install the downloaded packages |
| 23:19.03 | caphuso | Virtual: it really doesn't matter that much, use something that allows you to find the printer in case you ever forget where it's standing |
| 23:19.04 | p30n | xoz i didnt understand that last thing, but modeprobe didnt give me anything in dmesg |
| 23:19.08 | chops | rumpl: Yes, it is. Sorry; wish I knew where to find Free games that were 1/10th as good... |
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| 23:19.15 | glaskugel | rich0rd: you could also take a look at ebtables |
| 23:19.24 | p30n | xoz it says stuff about usb hdd in dmesg but not what /dev/ it is |
| 23:19.28 | chops | EmleyMoor: Is that true? I thought it was "abandonware". |
| 23:19.28 | rich0rd | glaskugel: never heard of it |
| 23:19.30 | xoz | p30n: modprobe each of those names |
| 23:19.38 | p30n | ok |
| 23:19.41 | glaskugel | osi 2 stuff |
| 23:19.46 | rumpl | chops, you should make one... |
| 23:19.53 | tarzeau | !dachs |
| 23:19.53 | hakker | shingouz: AH HA! figured it out |
| 23:19.54 | EmleyMoor | chops: I think it's "official" abandonware - i.e. the publishers don't mind |
| 23:20.03 | shingouz | hakker: ok, what was it? |
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| 23:20.15 | tarzeau | !dachs xuser |
| 23:20.16 | dpkg | xuser: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 23:20.17 | EmleyMoor | zork[123] and ztuu I think it applies to |
| 23:20.22 | xoz | p30n: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 > ... do you have this message? |
| 23:20.44 | p30n | /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0: unknown partition table |
| 23:20.45 | hakker | shingouz: it was reading the XF86Config.. i noticed in my other one that works, not only are there no modelines, there's also no specification for hoizontal and vert refresh.. so I commented those out on the other machine, restarted, and bam, resolutions galore |
| 23:20.56 | rich0rd | dpkg: ... badger badger - i thought this was over? |
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| 23:20.59 | shingouz | hakker: bingo |
| 23:21.15 | hakker | shingouz: awesome.. thanks for exploring that with me! :) |
| 23:21.26 | xoz | p30n: fdisk /dev/sdd |
| 23:21.30 | zack | if someone were to follow the sarge release notes to a T, would they still potentially run into the "serious breakage" mentioned in Bill Allombert's (now famous) announcement? |
| 23:21.39 | xoz | p30n: cfdisk /dev/sdd |
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| 23:21.54 | shingouz | hakker: i should have caught that one too, the freq range on the non-working file are way too low for the resolution you wanted to run. nice catch |
| 23:21.57 | EmleyMoor | I wish the motherboard on my mailserver hadn't failed - if I'd not had to have an hour out to fetch a new one I might have done better |
| 23:21.59 | p30n | xoz why do i need to fdisk ? its ext3 and i have shitload of important data there |
| 23:22.00 | hakker | shingouz: the question is, why did the installer (configuration) decide to put in values for those in the first place.. i bet they came from my monitor selection |
| 23:22.05 | rich0rd | glaskugel: how would ebtables help me to simulate a nic? |
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| 23:22.22 | glaskugel | rich0rd: it could `NAT' a MAC |
| 23:22.31 | hakker | shingouz: i bet I did the sort of "auto" or "simple" config on the other machine the first time around, so it didnt bother adding anything |
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| 23:22.37 | shingouz | hakker: i guess it is because you told the installer to use moderate amounts of questions, i think you mentioned it there |
| 23:22.39 | chops | EmleyMoor: I thought they were still selling it ("The Lost Treasures of Infocom" or some such). I guess I could be wrong. I know they're widely distributed. |
| 23:22.50 | hakker | shingouz: yeah |
| 23:22.54 | shingouz | hakker: or you went the whole hog on the other one |
| 23:22.58 | xoz | p30n: so the partition is ok? it seems there is a partition problem from dmesg... did you load all those modules? remove and reinsert |
| 23:23.18 | beardy | newbie01: You said that the files you wanted are /Scanns/*.tif, they are located at the / partition, if you mean what you say. I suspect you had one root partition, and one partition which you mounted on /home. If you install Debian again, or any other POSIX system, read "man hier". In the future, do not create directories on the /. Store all your files in your users homedirectory. You should recover the partition that I said above, the line with [/] at th |
| 23:23.22 | hakker | shingouz: it was probably the simple one, guaging by how little there is in the xf86config for that machine |
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| 23:23.30 | rich0rd | glaskugel: hmn first i will stick to a tun device |
| 23:23.31 | EmleyMoor | LTInfocom is obsolete AFAIK. There is a site that has them openly available for download, but not lgop and so on which have not been "thrown" |
| 23:23.32 | eka | hi all |
| 23:23.44 | shingouz | hakker: could be. as long as it works, who cares :) |
| 23:23.47 | EmleyMoor | (still, I installed lgop from floppy :-) ) |
| 23:23.49 | p30n | xoz: ehci was the only one that loaded, it said it couldnt find the others. |
| 23:24.05 | hakker | cool.. ok this machine is starting to look decent :) |
| 23:24.09 | eka | i installed a gtk2 GNOME theme which brings 3 files 1 for theme 1 for icons and 1 for wallpapers ... i intalled theme how to install icons and wallpapers? |
| 23:24.24 | shingouz | hakker: now just run the snot out of it :p |
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| 23:24.25 | xoz | p30n: ok, that means you have usb2.0 .. now dmesg? |
| 23:24.26 | rich0rd | glaskugel: i have a bridge running (to act as a bridge for my notebook) |
| 23:24.29 | darkfires | does anyone have the apt source for gnome 2.10 ? |
| 23:24.30 | Wyzard | eka: Put icons in ~/.icons |
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| 23:24.37 | Wyzard | eka: Wallpapers can go anywhere you want |
| 23:24.50 | p30n | xoz: but i tried to mount it now with dev/sdd and it worked so |
| 23:24.52 | p30n | =) |
| 23:24.54 | rich0rd | glaskugel: now i'm creating an tun device tunctl -t fake |
| 23:25.18 | eka | Wyzard: cause i used the GNOME theme install... so icons i should do manually? |
| 23:25.21 | xoz | p30n: place ehci-hcd and usb-storage in /etc/modules |
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| 23:25.36 | darkfires | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.40 | rich0rd | glaskugel: then i set it up - sudo ifconfig fake 0.0.0.0 promisc up |
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| 23:25.53 | Wyzard | eka: Yes, that tool incorrectly puts icons in ~/.themes, so just move the directory to ~/.icons |
| 23:25.56 | EmleyMoor | hereby |
| 23:25.59 | xoz | p30n: apparently, it did not load the driver for usb2.0. |
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| 23:26.14 | xoz | *automatically* during boot. |
| 23:26.15 | rich0rd | glaskugel: now i have a nice fake interface, i have to add it to the bridge |
| 23:26.15 | shingouz | EmleyMoor: especially if the other computer is running doze |
| 23:26.21 | eka | thx i'll try now |
| 23:26.36 | EmleyMoor | shingouz: Well, I've long not trusted those |
| 23:26.44 | shingouz | EmleyMoor: excellent :) |
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| 23:27.09 | EmleyMoor | The problem I'm having is not the fault of Linux, I'm pleased to say, but of hardware |
| 23:27.12 | rich0rd | glaskugel: sudo brctl addif forward fake |
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| 23:27.22 | beardy | EmleyMoor: did wget get the file down for you? |
| 23:27.23 | newbie01 | beardy, im afraid thats wron. the disk was uses in a dual boot system where the bigges partition (approx 130 gb) was the ntfs partition. this got formated after the disk was changed to another system. there the ntfs got formated under win2k. the other paritions were a debian installation : 1 ext2/3 (?) and a swap. there were maide recovery tries with gparted which ended up with current situation |
| 23:27.55 | EmleyMoor | beardy: Yes, I can get with wget |
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| 23:28.07 | EmleyMoor | I was unable to do anything useful with it though] |
| 23:28.34 | newbie01 | beardy, _how do i recover ? |
| 23:28.40 | Bogus8 | is there any command line real players besides mplayer? |
| 23:28.49 | rich0rd | beardy wget -c (continoue) |
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| 23:29.05 | EmleyMoor | Bogus8: real players as in realplayer? |
| 23:29.15 | beardy | newbie01: Are you still on the screen you pasted in pastebin? If you are, press Enter. |
| 23:29.22 | Bogus8 | EmleyMoor: yeah, sorry for the mis-speak |
| 23:29.38 | EmleyMoor | What did you mis-speak? |
| 23:29.43 | shingouz | Bogus8: i think the only cli is mplayer, realplayer sure as hell is not |
| 23:29.48 | beardy | rich0rd: ? |
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| 23:29.55 | max00 | Hi, if you want the last starwars episode (revenge of the sith - FullDivx 2X700MB), you can download it at: www.starwars-fr.org/xxl/ |
| 23:30.01 | Bogus8 | hmm is there a package for mplayer ? |
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| 23:30.06 | tarzeau | Bogus8: yes |
| 23:30.10 | newbie01 | beardy, quit / search / write |
| 23:30.11 | rich0rd | beardy: sorry, no message for you - my mistake |
| 23:30.11 | spdf | max00, uh. |
| 23:30.14 | Bogus8 | tarzeau: what's it called I couldn't find it |
| 23:30.15 | newbie01 | ? |
| 23:30.15 | shingouz | !tell Bogus8 about marillat |
| 23:30.18 | EmleyMoor | Bogus8: In marillat |
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| 23:30.21 | tarzeau | Bogus8: it's not in debian |
| 23:30.36 | Bogus8 | tarzeau shingouz EmleyMoor thanks ;) |
| 23:30.38 | tarzeau | Bogus8: i've got a link to the ones in the Debian New Queue (at work email= |
| 23:30.43 | tarzeau | Bogus8: ask me again in 2 days |
| 23:30.46 | beardy | rich0rd: no problem :) |
| 23:30.50 | Bogus8 | k |
| 23:30.56 | rich0rd | does anyone have a clue why a tun device attached to a software bridge is not able to retrieve a ip via dhcp |
| 23:31.09 | rich0rd | i want to create a fake nic without an UML |
| 23:31.46 | glaskugel | rich0rd: any clue with tcpdump $bridgename? |
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| 23:32.26 | Virtual | I have installed my printer with CUPS but I cannot print a test page from CUPS interface, it give me the error: client-error-not-possible |
| 23:33.02 | spaetz | don't you just love cups and its instructive error mesages? |
| 23:33.07 | rich0rd | glaskugel: hmn "tcpdump: WARNING: eth0: no IPv4 address assigned" |
| 23:33.12 | bruce2005 | uml, uml, uml NEED HELP, i'm following the instructions from http://crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt to install uml, i got uml running once, but it doesnt' run again! the error is "please append a coreect 'root=' boot option kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 62:00" Please help |
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| 23:33.21 | EmleyMoor | Probably the equivalent of lp0: on fire |
| 23:33.31 | xoz | that means that it is not possible for the client to make errors? |
| 23:33.47 | shingouz | bruce2005: then append the correct root= there |
| 23:33.49 | beardy | newbie01: 1) Search again 2) Select the line with [/] (with the arrow keys), press A 3) Press Enter 4) Select Write, press Enter |
| 23:33.49 | glaskugel | rich0rd: ? your bridge is eth0? |
| 23:33.56 | EmleyMoor | I had a printer "on fire" once |
| 23:34.03 | rich0rd | glaskugel: i think that's because the bridge owns the ip, no my bridge is called forwad |
| 23:34.07 | rich0rd | forward |
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| 23:34.48 | rich0rd | glaskugel: hmn k it is $forward (with the dollar sign) |
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| 23:34.51 | vladster | has anyone here worked with tor |
| 23:34.52 | rich0rd | glaskugel |
| 23:34.57 | glaskugel | rich0rd: sry: tcpdump -i forward |
| 23:35.21 | shingouz | vladster: and that question means exactly what? |
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| 23:36.06 | bruce2005 | shingouz: that doesn't work, |
| 23:36.19 | abrotman | !alice kill shingouz |
| 23:36.23 | shingouz | !doesn't work |
| 23:36.23 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:36.28 | abrotman | !alicekill shingouz |
| 23:36.29 | rich0rd | glaskugel: mkay there is a lot of output, but how does tcp/ip tracing help? |
| 23:36.50 | shingouz | abrotman: you need professional help ;) |
| 23:36.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:36.59 | abrotman | shingouz: /msg dpkg abrotman |
| 23:37.00 | vladster | tor is a free anonymizer that routes your ip traffic through a series of onion routers to mask your ip, and browsing habits |
| 23:37.04 | sparr_ | I want to build an ext2 initrd image. Can anyone give me some pointers on the required steps? |
| 23:37.33 | vladster | http://tor.eff.org/ |
| 23:37.46 | rich0rd | vladster: i am using jap |
| 23:37.54 | vladster | jap? |
| 23:38.10 | glaskugel | rich0rd: i don't know your routing setup so tcpdump is te best debugging utility |
| 23:38.14 | abrotman | shingouz: and odn't you dare vote |
| 23:38.27 | shingouz | abrotman: and why is that? |
| 23:38.54 | rich0rd | vladster: http://www.anon-online.de |
| 23:39.08 | abrotman | shingouz: because .. i know where you live! |
| 23:39.32 | shingouz | abrotman: so? i am bigger and nastier than you |
| 23:39.42 | paulswm | !irritate abrotman |
| 23:39.43 | dpkg | abrotman: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh quake3 !!!! |
| 23:39.47 | rich0rd | vladster: http://anon.inf.tu-dresden.de/index_en.html (english) |
| 23:40.19 | rich0rd | glaskugel: i only have a default route and no special rules |
| 23:40.23 | mango | !slap abrotman |
| 23:40.38 | eka | Wyzard: worked ok! thx |
| 23:40.53 | shingouz | abrotman: you seem to like punishment :p |
| 23:41.07 | vladster | that runs on java |
| 23:41.14 | abrotman | shingouz: you sur eabou thtat ?? |
| 23:41.17 | rich0rd | vladster: yep |
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| 23:41.30 | shingouz | abrotman: looks like it in anycase |
| 23:41.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:41.47 | bruce2005 | i typed in the command 'mount -o rw, remount/' how can i reverse this action? |
| 23:41.50 | rich0rd | vladster: i know, it is not the best choice, but it does a good job for me |
| 23:41.54 | vladster | I was hoping for a non java based so I could include irssi as well |
| 23:41.55 | shingouz | just took a look at how the poll is going, abrotman has 62% of the votes.... |
| 23:42.14 | rich0rd | vladster: irssi? |
| 23:42.15 | shingouz | bruce2005: what do you mean? |
| 23:42.19 | Sorush20 | Hi.. what would you guys recommend for using as a good calender program....? |
| 23:42.30 | xoz | calendar |
| 23:42.30 | vladster | chat client |
| 23:42.39 | EmleyMoor | Sorush: kronolith |
| 23:42.42 | beardy | Sorush20: 'calendar' |
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| 23:43.23 | rich0rd | vladster: jap acts as a proxy, so maybe irssi is able to work with proxies |
| 23:43.35 | bruce2005 | shingouz: in the terminal i did the following, 'mount -o rw, remount /' |
| 23:43.41 | bruce2005 | how can i reverse it |
| 23:43.52 | shingouz | bruce2005: what do you mean with 'reverse'? |
| 23:43.55 | chops | bruce2005: 'mount -o ro,remount /' ? |
| 23:44.21 | vladster | I have not gotten java to work right, Azureus won't work |
| 23:44.22 | bruce2005 | shingouz: undo |
| 23:44.31 | newbie01 | beardy, got it |
| 23:44.33 | shingouz | bruce2005: there is no undo |
| 23:44.46 | newbie01 | beardy, P shows the files |
| 23:44.53 | rich0rd | vladster: which jre do you use? |
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| 23:45.07 | shingouz | bruce2005: you need to know what the original was and set it back to it, there simply is no undo in linux |
| 23:45.10 | bruce2005 | shingouz: so once i've mounted my filesystem, i can't unmount it> |
| 23:45.26 | shingouz | bruce2005: man umount |
| 23:45.28 | vladster | I forgot how to check the version |
| 23:45.30 | shingouz | geezz... |
| 23:45.33 | EmleyMoor | You can't unmount / |
| 23:45.38 | xoz | bruce2005: yes you can except your root dir... it's like taking your head. |
| 23:45.46 | xoz | off |
| 23:45.50 | shingouz | agreed. but still.. geeeez.... |
| 23:45.55 | vladster | Long time since I tinkered the system |
| 23:45.59 | rich0rd | vladster: java -version |
| 23:46.34 | vladster | benn running for over a year and have not had to do a thing to it for the most part, never even turned it off |
| 23:46.35 | newbie01 | shingouz beardy : thank you for your patient. i am going to reboot and hope i will get it monted and the data of it |
| 23:46.45 | shingouz | np |
| 23:47.00 | bruce2005 | xoz: i mistakenly mounted the filesystem as root, how can i set it back to the original filesystem? |
| 23:47.04 | rich0rd | vladster: you'll have to add the unfree branche if you want to install blackdown java (i think) |
| 23:47.12 | beardy | newbie01: Yes. But you can't do anything more than look at the filenames. But use P to find the files you are looking for, then you will be sure of which partition you want to recover. |
| 23:47.22 | vladster | command not found |
| 23:47.45 | rich0rd | vladster: then you'll have to install java |
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| 23:48.12 | shingouz | bruce2005: you mounted it as root. it is root now, you cannot umount / |
| 23:48.18 | xoz | bruce2005: mount -o rw,remount /<root path> / ... hopefull it will work |
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| 23:48.37 | rich0rd | vladster: the package j2re1.4 should do it |
| 23:48.47 | xoz | bruce2005: /rootpath is /dev/<somthing> |
| 23:48.53 | bruce2005 | shingouz: can i mount a new filesystem? |
| 23:49.14 | jum | I just don't get this to work. Normal debian 3.1 kernel 2.6 doesn't see my /dev/md0 at boot time. so I get the mistake: invalide argument while trying to open /dev/md0. if the system is up i can do whatever I want with /dev/md0 after using mdadm -assembble --scan. is it that the standard debian doesn't have initrd up???? |
| 23:49.20 | rich0rd | vladster: try apt-cache search j2re1.4 |
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| 23:49.34 | xoz | bruce2005: you may mount another filesytem... multiple root... try it an cross your finger. |
| 23:49.37 | shingouz | bruce2005: why in heavens name are you screwing with UML when you have problems with things like mount |
| 23:49.56 | shingouz | and under vmware too iirc |
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| 23:50.14 | bruce2005 | i'm going to commit suicide |
| 23:50.28 | xoz | bruce2005: umount /bruce-head |
| 23:50.30 | caphuso | bruce2005: tell me how it worked out |
| 23:50.30 | shingouz | there are faster ways, bruce2005 |
| 23:50.54 | vladster | comes up blank |
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| 23:51.16 | ioerror | Does anyone know how I can force using the usb-scsi stuff? |
| 23:51.26 | rich0rd | vladster: then you'll have to add the unfree branch in your sources list (or another source to get the jre from) |
| 23:51.29 | jshoenberger | Is there a better command than apt-get install gnome ? |
| 23:51.34 | ioerror | I have a new belkin usb reader and it uses the ub.ko module. |
| 23:51.36 | bruce2005 | can i install a filesystem using apt-get? |
| 23:51.42 | shingouz | jshoenberger: define better |
| 23:51.43 | jetscreamer | so what do i do with these sarge dvd's!dselect |
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| 23:51.45 | caphuso | jshoenberger: apt-get remove gnome ;-) |
| 23:51.50 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 23:51.50 | dpkg | from memory, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 23:51.51 | shingouz | bruce2005: no |
| 23:51.55 | stupidkid | anyone knows where is knwk.wa.charter.com? |
| 23:51.57 | ioerror | The ub.ko module gives me about 100k a second when i copy from it. |
| 23:52.00 | stupidkid | whereis knwk? |
| 23:52.10 | caphuso | ioerror: recompile your kernel without ub enabled |
| 23:52.11 | jetscreamer | it's on the intarweb |
| 23:52.11 | jshoenberger | shingouz, well, apt-get install gnome can't install because there's all sorts of dependencies, and I'm too lazy to mess with ti |
| 23:52.12 | shingouz | stupidkid: guess: washington state, USA |
| 23:52.18 | stupidkid | shingouz, yeah |
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| 23:52.25 | stupidkid | but where is knwk? |
| 23:52.32 | lex | Anyone here recomends a good blog software? |
| 23:52.36 | stupidkid | i want to know what town they live on |
| 23:52.39 | xoz | stupidkid: doesnot exist |
| 23:52.43 | stupidkid | oh |
| 23:52.48 | rich0rd | vladster: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch11.html provides some hints |
| 23:52.50 | ioerror | caphuso, is there another way to do it? Like blacklisting the module? I don't want to have to rebuilt a new kernel just to not load this module. |
| 23:52.54 | shingouz | jshoenberger: so what do you want to do then? don't tell me you are trying to run Sid, btw |
| 23:52.58 | caphuso | ioerror: recompile |
| 23:53.18 | caphuso | ioerror: and stop complainging, if you had read the documentation it wouldn't have happened |
| 23:53.24 | pngwn | lex, apt-cache show blosxom |
| 23:53.26 | jetscreamer | !irritate stupidkid |
| 23:53.27 | dpkg | stupidkid: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
| 23:53.28 | jshoenberger | shingouz, well, I don't know what Sid is... I've been living in text-only mode for years, I am only now ventuing into the strange and scary world of GUI |
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| 23:53.41 | bruce2005 | does this command mount a filesystem 'mount -o rw,remount /' |
| 23:53.44 | shingouz | jshoenberger: how much cpu and ram you have? |
| 23:53.45 | stupidkid | :D |
| 23:53.48 | chops | jshoenberger: Can it actually not install, or does it just want to install the dependencies as well? "All sorts of dependencies" is precisely what gnome is... |
| 23:53.48 | caphuso | Warning: Enabling this cripples the usb-storage driver. |
| 23:53.54 | shingouz | bruce2005: man mount |
| 23:54.05 | jshoenberger | shingouz, more than enough |
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| 23:54.24 | jetscreamer | gnome is a metapackage, use a package manager to select specific parts |
| 23:54.24 | bruce2005 | shingouz: i dont c anywhere in man mount anything about filesystems |
| 23:54.26 | jshoenberger | chops, "The following packages have unresolved dependencies ... gnome-core" |
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| 23:54.33 | lex | pngwn, does that exports rss? |
| 23:54.34 | nefertum | hi |
| 23:54.39 | ioerror | caphuso, thanks for your help |
| 23:54.40 | shingouz | jshoenberger: what version of debian you run at the moment, i have heard some complaints about gnome having problems at this moment |
| 23:54.40 | jetscreamer | man 5 mount |
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| 23:54.42 | jshoenberger | And apt-get install gnome-core has more dependencies |
| 23:54.49 | bruce2005 | oh my bat |
| 23:54.52 | nefertum | wich is the way yo insert a script of my own in the start runlevel? |
| 23:54.53 | jshoenberger | shingouz, 3.1 |
| 23:54.56 | jetscreamer | and your point about the meta package is? |
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| 23:55.10 | nefertum | or what should I search in google to find it |
| 23:55.24 | pngwn | lex, i think so |
| 23:55.28 | lex | nefertum, stfw: "System V Startup scripts" |
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| 23:55.40 | nefertum | ko lex thanks |
| 23:55.43 | nefertum | sorry, ok |
| 23:55.47 | moret | please |
| 23:55.52 | moret | I need help with cvs |
| 23:56.00 | chops | jschoenberger: If it can't install, then using another program probably won't help either. gnome in sid is in the middle of a big upgrade... if that' |
| 23:56.10 | peterS | moret: cvs isn't particularly debian-related. but go ahead.. |
| 23:56.10 | chops | s what you're using, you might want to try again later, or not run sid. |
| 23:56.12 | shingouz | jshoenberger: i have the same version bu am on unstable/Sid.. i am not sure what is going on with gnome but the command you specified in the beginning *should* install a working system |
| 23:56.22 | bruce2005 | i'm using sarge and have the following as my filesystem version: mount-2.12p is this right |
| 23:56.27 | vladster | that is a slow big download |
| 23:56.40 | shingouz | !clue bruce2005 |
| 23:56.46 | ishtvan222 | hi, i have a computer that has debian sid installed. I want to upgrade the motherboard and CPU, will I need to reinstall? |
| 23:56.47 | jshoenberger | shingouz, okay thank you, if there are currently big problems with Gnome that they are fixing, I can wait a week, there's no big hurry |
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| 23:57.10 | shingouz | bruce2005: mount-2.12p is not a filesystem version |
| 23:57.12 | jshoenberger | Now, would you mind informing the uninformed as to what Sid is? |
| 23:57.24 | peterS | jshoenberger: sid is the debian unstable archive |
| 23:57.25 | shingouz | !tell jshoenberger about sid faq |
| 23:57.31 | jshoenberger | Ah, thank you |
| 23:57.31 | rich0rd|away | ishtvan222: i think you'll only have to reinstall if your architecture changed |
| 23:57.36 | shingouz | jshoenberger: in other words, bad news |
| 23:57.49 | lex | jshoenberger, I would recomend you giving the main debian.org pages and faq a quick look |
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| 23:57.57 | jshoenberger | Okay |
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| 23:58.02 | jshoenberger | Thank you for your time |
| 23:58.10 | shingouz | we live here, jshoenberger |
| 23:58.11 | jetscreamer | sid died |
| 23:58.19 | shingouz | how so? |
| 23:58.22 | rich0rd|away | again? |
| 23:58.34 | jetscreamer | oh wait i forgot this is sid again |
| 23:58.43 | jshoenberger | I pretty much do too :D I just can't seem to answer as many questions as I ask |
| 23:58.43 | jetscreamer | sid doesn't want you |
| 23:58.51 | peterS | you're thinking of darth sidious |
| 23:58.54 | ndazza | jetscreamer, sid is the boy next door who destroys toys... he wasn't dead in the movie... |
| 23:59.10 | xoz | the dark force |
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| 23:59.11 | jetscreamer | sid did you |
| 23:59.33 | ndazza | and i *liked* it |
| 23:59.41 | peterS | ndazza: perv |
| 23:59.52 | ndazza | meh, if it feels good... |
| 23:59.58 | ndazza | :p |
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