| 00:00.02 | jetscreamer | or rips one from reznor |
| 00:00.05 | jetscreamer | hurt you |
| 00:00.07 | jetscreamer | feel you |
| 00:00.16 | peterS | ndazza: I suppose you liked what michael jackson did to you too |
| 00:00.21 | drasko | hi all. I have problem -- nautilus applications:/// gives me "no valid location" message. |
| 00:00.24 | shingouz | ouch |
| 00:00.31 | exobyte | ok.. how bad is pptp for security? I doubt it will be REALLY bad for wireless, but then again |
| 00:00.43 | jshoenberger | shingouz, I was wrong, I take it back, I'm using 3.0 Rev5, does that change anything? |
| 00:01.20 | vladster | is there a way to convert an RPM to a deb package? |
| 00:01.20 | shingouz | jshoenberger: that means you should check the sources.list and make sure it points to stable. update and upgrade and you are on sarge |
| 00:01.27 | peterS | vladster: 'alien' |
| 00:01.28 | shingouz | vladster: alien |
| 00:01.44 | jshoenberger | It does, techweb is the source I'm using |
| 00:01.54 | rich0rd|away | vladster: but alien does not always work |
| 00:02.07 | shingouz | jshoenberger: when was the last time you update/upgraded? |
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| 00:02.20 | jshoenberger | Today, to try and get Gnome |
| 00:02.23 | chops | jshoenberger: No, wait, don't do that without some care -- upgrading to sarge is _not_ just a pointy-clicky easy thing (though it's close). |
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| 00:02.49 | chops | jshoenberger: At least you should read the release notes, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 00:02.56 | jshoenberger | I havn't got a pointy/clicky thing, so I can't do that :D |
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| 00:03.40 | chops | jshoenberger: Hm, perhaps does your sources.list say 'stable' instead of 'woody'? |
| 00:03.40 | jshoenberger | Rofl, oh well, I'll puzzle through it |
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| 00:03.53 | jshoenberger | chops, Why, yes it does say 'stable' |
| 00:03.57 | vladster | man trying to crowbar things can be interesting |
| 00:04.03 | jshoenberger | Should I change it to 'woody'? |
| 00:04.10 | chops | If all you want is gnome, you should switch it to say 'woody', update, and then install gnome. |
| 00:04.12 | vladster | did sarge go stable? |
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| 00:04.25 | jshoenberger | okay, I'll give it a whirl :D |
| 00:04.26 | peterS | !topicsmite vladster |
| 00:04.26 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon vladster. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:04.48 | chops | jshoenberger: You should probably also switch to sarge at some point, but you don't need to with any particular speed if you don't want to. |
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| 00:05.23 | vladster | I have been working for 60 hours a week, paaaardonn eeemmmmm mio! |
| 00:05.33 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 00:05.40 | jetscreamer | !say you're not pardoned |
| 00:05.41 | dpkg | you're not pardoned |
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| 00:05.49 | vladster | overtime for three months running |
| 00:05.52 | shingouz | !topicbadger vladster |
| 00:05.53 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that vladster didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 00:05.59 | shingouz | ..had to.. ;) |
| 00:06.09 | jetscreamer | !say we don't wanna hear your bellyaching :p |
| 00:06.10 | dpkg | we don't wanna hear your bellyaching :p |
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| 00:06.14 | peterS | vladster: I hope you get enough electrolytes. that's a lot of running |
| 00:06.18 | xoz | woody will be out of debian support soon... better upgrade to sarge soon. |
| 00:06.26 | apocaliptico | jk |
| 00:06.31 | jshoenberger | chops, havn't the knowledge of how to do such a thing, but I'm fairly confident I can do it |
| 00:06.41 | chops | xoz: I thought "soon" == 1 year or so. No? |
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| 00:06.56 | shingouz | chops: about so |
| 00:06.58 | xoz | chops: less than 6 months... |
| 00:07.03 | peterS | chops: yeah, don't listen to xoz. we don't know when woody will go unsupported but it'll be at least 6 months, probably more |
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| 00:07.10 | jshoenberger | chops, also, upon changing the sources.list to woody, now apt-get install gnome returns that gnome doesn't exist |
| 00:07.22 | vladster | We just swallowed the business of two competitors and all of their equipment |
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| 00:07.54 | chops | jshoenberger: It's not hard, you just need to read the release notes carefully and not mind a little semi-downtime while you find all the stuff that suddenly acts differently. |
| 00:07.58 | rich0rd|away | i'll leave, i have to "lear" and stuff, cya |
| 00:07.58 | vladster | We had to bump out the plant to make room |
| 00:08.17 | vladster | I am lucky I have had time to scratch my ass |
| 00:08.36 | drasko | I have problem -- nautilus applications:/// gives me "no valid location" message. |
| 00:08.36 | bruce2005 | i really appreciate it if someone could help me with removing one of my filesystems, i'm having difficulty using umount, i mounted a filesystem by mistake, how can i remove it, i do not want to remove ALL of my filesystems |
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| 00:08.38 | vladster | did not even have time for that |
| 00:08.46 | ttick | !tell ttick non-us |
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| 00:09.07 | Vegar | non-us is no more? |
| 00:09.16 | peterS | Vegar: basically. it's no longer needed |
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| 00:09.26 | ttick | correct. No idea why. dpkg doesnt' seem to know either. :/ |
| 00:09.29 | Vegar | wanna explain? |
| 00:09.58 | shingouz | bruce2005: you have been told a few times to 'mount -o rw, remount /dev/rootfs /' and cross your fingers |
| 00:09.58 | peterS | Vegar: the point of non-us was to sidestep US export regulations about cryptographic software. the regulations changed. |
| 00:10.13 | mne | hi everybody. I have an IBM netfinity 5500 server with 4 P3 Xeon CPUs and kernel-2.6.8-686-smp. Unfortunately the server hangs from time to time when the load goes up. sadly there's nothing in the system logs. Is anyone aware of such a kernel bug or has tips for possible error causes ? |
| 00:10.13 | ttick | peterS: cool, thanks |
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| 00:10.29 | Vegar | peterS: ah |
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| 00:12.16 | sigp239 | what is the name of the theme that is going to be used for the next version of gnome? |
| 00:12.46 | peterS | beardy: no, you missed. ChBot left already. go retrieve your dagger now |
| 00:13.01 | alvanson | beardy: furthermore, no 4 EXP points |
| 00:13.09 | bruce2005 | shingouz: do u know the default filesystem type for sarge, |
| 00:13.31 | beardy | damn, I have to read some dagger throwing books. |
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| 00:13.36 | dondelelcaro | bruce2005: it's probably ext2, but you can select from a whole list of filesystems. |
| 00:13.46 | green_earz | bruce2005: look in /etc/fstab for the mount points that you have mounted and want to umount, and then umount /dev/hdx /path-to-mount-poit |
| 00:13.47 | peterS | beardy: you just have to be quicker. your aim was pretty good but it already went through the portal |
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| 00:13.54 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@80.74.169.48] by dondelelcaro |
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| 00:14.10 | lvthn | I jsut installed debian.. im curerntly under windows now... when u login in a dos format how do you install the other cd-roms??6 |
| 00:14.15 | peterS | beardy: see, dondelelcaro knows how to fight spambots that have already left |
| 00:14.21 | EvanCarroll | !u |
| 00:14.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:14.29 | sigp239 | what is the name of the theme that is going to be used for the next version of gnome? |
| 00:14.42 | dondelelcaro | sigp239: whatever theme the gnome maintainers decide to use. |
| 00:15.01 | sigp239 | isn't it called clearlooks or something similar? |
| 00:15.15 | lvthn | I jsut installed debian.. im curerntly under windows now... when u login in a dos format how do you install the other cd-roms??6 |
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| 00:15.32 | EvanCarroll | lvthn: 'you' just installed debian and when 'you' booted it up 'you' saw dos?!?!!?! |
| 00:15.32 | alvanson | there must be an owl in here |
| 00:15.39 | lvthn | nan |
| 00:15.41 | lvthn | the linux |
| 00:15.44 | lvthn | thing |
| 00:15.45 | lvthn | but |
| 00:15.53 | lvthn | its a black screen |
| 00:15.54 | dondelelcaro | lvthn: please stop overusing enter. |
| 00:15.57 | alvanson | wait, that doesn't make sense... owls don't parrot... PARROTS parrot |
| 00:15.57 | lvthn | with white caracters |
| 00:16.04 | alvanson | I am officially dumb |
| 00:16.07 | chops | jshoenberger: Er... well, that's odd. Yes, the 'gnome' metapackage isn't in woody. I don't know why not. Try 'apt-get install gnome-core gnome-utils gnome-bin', I guess. Or upgrade to sarge, where gnome is so much better. |
| 00:16.15 | dondelelcaro | lvthn: if you want to install stuff from other cds, log in, and run apt-cdrom; to load the package lists from them. |
| 00:16.24 | lvthn | ok |
| 00:16.29 | lvthn | thats what i needed thx |
| 00:16.43 | briteside | i'm trying to install php4 with apt-get but i keep getting this error |
| 00:16.43 | briteside | Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/krb5/libkrb53_1.3.6-1_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch |
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| 00:16.45 | briteside | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 00:16.53 | green_earz | lvthn: on the command line use the command apt-setup as root and pick the option for cd saurce |
| 00:16.54 | alvanson | #ubuntu |
| 00:16.55 | EvanCarroll | so try wth --fix-missing |
| 00:16.59 | briteside | i did |
| 00:17.00 | briteside | nothing |
| 00:17.02 | briteside | same error |
| 00:17.05 | dondelelcaro | briteside: ask in #ubuntu... we can't support their packages. |
| 00:17.05 | bruce2005 | green_earz: there are four mount points i have, how do i know which ones to remove |
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| 00:17.31 | sigp239 | is there a gnome-based irc client? |
| 00:17.32 | lvthn | ok |
| 00:17.52 | dondelelcaro | sigp239: probably, but you'll end up wanting to run irssi-text anyway. |
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| 00:18.19 | cthulfuego | sigp239: gnome-terminal --exec irssi |
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| 00:18.44 | sigp239 | I don't want irssi |
| 00:18.52 | sigp239 | I'm talking about a graphical gnome-based irc client |
| 00:18.55 | shingouz | bruce2005: do we get to guess what the mountpoints are? |
| 00:18.55 | cthulfuego | sigp239: gnome-terminal --exec epic4 |
| 00:18.57 | Phated | Oh yes you do. |
| 00:19.01 | alvanson | sigp239: xchat |
| 00:19.04 | FrdFlint | Has anyone here gotten cedega or winex to work with sarge? |
| 00:19.07 | sigp239 | xchat is gnome-based? |
| 00:19.14 | cthulfuego | sigp239: the gui irc cljents invariably suck |
| 00:19.15 | alvanson | it has gnome support |
| 00:19.28 | alvanson | sigp239: /msg dpkg xchat |
| 00:19.30 | green_earz | bruce2005: use the command mount to show you whats mounted |
| 00:19.37 | cthulfuego | (mind you, so do their users, so it's a good match) |
| 00:20.06 | sigp239 | I was just wondering if there is an alternative to xchat, for graphical gnome-based irc clients |
| 00:20.20 | EvanCarroll | alvanson: you know you can tell dpkg to inform a user about something as well, ie !tell sigp239 about xchat |
| 00:20.28 | cthulfuego | sigp239: The fact there isn't should give you an indication as to the demand for one. |
| 00:20.28 | shingouz | !tell sigp239 about search |
| 00:20.37 | A-L-P-H-A | how do I remove the bootsplash screen images? I've done this already "apt-get remove bootsplash" and su->"update-rc.d bootsplash remove". But the initial splash screen still occurs. How can I remove it, and just boot in plain jane text mode? |
| 00:20.44 | xoz | sigp239: apt-cache search graphical irc |
| 00:20.46 | alvanson | EvanCarroll: thanks, I forgot what that command was |
| 00:21.09 | EvanCarroll | A-L-P-H-A: remove bootsplash from grub or lilo |
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| 00:21.51 | deadcat | A-L-P-H-A: why you mess with bootsplash the first place? and if you know how to install it. you have problem removing it? |
| 00:22.02 | deadcat | thats trippy. |
| 00:22.32 | poison | hi, is there anybody who has an idea on how to fix a broken libc server? |
| 00:22.40 | AlexanRO | I was only able to download and burn 7 of the sarge binary isos, out of the 14 available exactly how many do i need to get a basic gnome session going? |
| 00:22.43 | peterS | poison: what is a 'libc server'? |
| 00:22.53 | poison | peterS: a server with a broken libc |
| 00:23.02 | peterS | poison: oh. is it booted up? can you log in? |
| 00:23.02 | poison | yeah, it's getting late here in belgium :) |
| 00:23.08 | poison | peterS nop |
| 00:23.12 | poison | kernel panics |
| 00:23.13 | A-L-P-H-A | EvanCarroll, from /boot/grub/grub.conf ? I've commented out the "splashimage=" it's removed from grub already. |
| 00:23.17 | cthulfuego | peterS: A box that was upgraded to what I can only assume is a Sid libc6 "coz it was the highest version" |
| 00:23.21 | beardy | AlexanRO: Use the netinstaller. |
| 00:23.29 | peterS | poison: do you have another debian box handy you can get files from? |
| 00:23.35 | A-L-P-H-A | deadcat, I didn't install it... it was installed part of the distro... |
| 00:23.41 | poison | peterS: indeed |
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| 00:23.46 | shingouz | poison: what version of debian you run on the server? |
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| 00:24.00 | EvanCarroll | A-L-P-H-A: what distro are you using? |
| 00:24.02 | bruce2005 | i have the following mounted: 1. /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount - ro) 2.proc on /proc type proc (rw) 3. devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) 4.tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) 5.usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 00:24.03 | AlexanRO | beardy: the box i want to install on has no connectivity |
| 00:24.21 | A-L-P-H-A | it's EMC (www.linuxcnc.org) debian distro. |
| 00:24.25 | deadcat | A-L-P-H-A: ask in #distro |
| 00:24.29 | shingouz | bruce2005: and / is not what it shoudl be then? |
| 00:24.30 | poison | shingouz : I was running 3.0 |
| 00:24.35 | cthulfuego | A-L-P-H-A: EMC is not Debian eh |
| 00:24.42 | poison | but I destroyed it in an upgrade to 3.1 |
| 00:24.46 | deadcat | cthulfuego: i knew somethin was up (= |
| 00:24.54 | bruce2005 | shingouz: thas the info i got when i typed mount |
| 00:24.56 | poison | libc's the 3.1 version and all the rest is 3.0 I guess |
| 00:24.56 | A-L-P-H-A | cthulfuego, EMC is just an application... this is an Debian distro. |
| 00:25.12 | deadcat | cthulfuego: because if they know how to compile bootsplash. they would know what the f is going on hahah |
| 00:25.12 | shingouz | bruce2005: is the / on the drive it should be? |
| 00:25.13 | A-L-P-H-A | I'm just trying to remove the picture of Tux about to swat a butterfly. |
| 00:25.21 | peterS | poison: here's what I would do. get on your other debian box and copy /lib/libc.so.6, /lib/ld-linux.so.2, and all of /lib/libnss_*, to a floppy or something |
| 00:25.31 | EvanCarroll | A-L-P-H-A: they must have compiled a module into the kernel, the grub bootsplash make grub booting pretty the kernel boot splash can make the init boot pretty, this can built in, the x boot splash makes x booting pretty |
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| 00:25.49 | bruce2005 | shingouz: ya it just tell me '/' and nothing else |
| 00:25.50 | peterS | poison: then find a rescue CD and boot your server - knoppix'll do, or sarge debian-installer in a secret incantation |
| 00:25.50 | cthulfuego | A-L-P-H-A: When why did you say the distro you use is EMC? |
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| 00:25.56 | EvanCarroll | A-L-P-H-A: if your referring to the picture of tux placed in the top corner of the screen thats a kernel option |
| 00:26.06 | wlinux | salve |
| 00:26.09 | EvanCarroll | A-L-P-H-A: you will have to recompile without that |
| 00:26.17 | A-L-P-H-A | EvanCarroll, okay. thanks. |
| 00:26.20 | peterS | poison: mount your root partition somehow, then copy all those files to their respective locations. don't worry about symlinks and such. run 'chroot /wherever ldconfig'. |
| 00:26.25 | peterS | poison: then try and reboot |
| 00:26.30 | deadcat | A-L-P-H-A: or just change your vga to not use framebuffer |
| 00:26.55 | cthulfuego | A-L-P-H-A: The website claims EMC has an installer that installs a complete linux sstem. Doesn't sound like debian to me. |
| 00:26.56 | shingouz | bruce2005: once more. is. your. root filesystem. on. that. particular. hardrive? |
| 00:26.57 | beardy | AlexanRO: Ok. Sorry, I don't know how many of them you need then. But I think the packages are put on the cd:s in there popularity order, (how is this deteremined?), and gnome is probably popular enough to be on the first 7 cd:s. |
| 00:27.00 | poison | ok tnx peterS, I'll try that |
| 00:27.09 | beardy | their |
| 00:27.17 | cthulfuego | beardy: apt-get install popularity-contest |
| 00:27.34 | bruce2005 | shingouz: i dont know |
| 00:27.39 | cthulfuego | AlexanRO: I'd be surprised if Gnome wasn't on CD #1. |
| 00:27.48 | abrotman | !Popcon |
| 00:27.49 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 00:27.53 | poison | there's one scsi disk in that server, can I move the disk to another server and mount it there? |
| 00:28.01 | A-L-P-H-A | cthulfuego, the BDI 4.20 is an debian distro, with some cad and EMC packages installed. |
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| 00:28.05 | poison | or do I have to mess in the bios for that? |
| 00:28.05 | abrotman | i wonder if popcon is updated for sarge yet |
| 00:28.21 | cthulfuego | A-L-P-H-A: No, if it's not CALLED debian it's NOT debian. |
| 00:28.34 | peterS | poison: shouldn't be a problem. booting the second system and *not* booting the scsi disk in it will require knowing how the second machine boots its crap |
| 00:28.39 | cthulfuego | A-L-P-H-A: Especially seeing as it apparentl;y has a hacked kernel. |
| 00:29.10 | eka | is there any way to have two sessions running in GNOME? |
| 00:29.23 | AlexanRO | cthulfuego: ty |
| 00:29.27 | shingouz | bruce2005: i give up. i seriously give up. you sit there typing in commands you have absolutely no clue on, don't do as you are told to do, ignore a lot of the docs you *should* have gone through. i need a bucket of caffeine, a pound of Tylenol and a couple of smokes. oh, and a new entry in the ignore list |
| 00:29.35 | poison | and install a new debian over it, would that be safe? |
| 00:30.01 | beardy | cthulfuego: Yes, but that isn't really effective/fair, is it? But rather good perhaps, now that I think about it.. :) |
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| 00:30.08 | peterS | poison: wait ... "a new debian over it"? you mean reinstall the system on that disk? you could do that just as well on the original server, no? |
| 00:30.10 | xoz | poison: more saner... just backup your home and reinstall |
| 00:30.18 | mikeX | a |
| 00:30.26 | abrotman | that graph for the popcon .. worst evar! |
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| 00:30.32 | chops | peterS: He installed a bunch of sarge .debs via 'dpkg -i' on a woody server. |
| 00:30.51 | peterS | chops: eh, great |
| 00:30.55 | deadcat | game over for him. |
| 00:31.12 | poison | is the backup necessary? because that could be a problem :) |
| 00:31.19 | xoz | poison: without reinstall, you're like hunting for wolves in the forest. |
| 00:31.22 | acesnore | Hi There. Problem with raid 1 after sarge upgrade from woody. |
| 00:31.23 | acesnore | Very slow sync and after first sync is done machine hangs |
| 00:31.30 | vipersniper | how do i select the program i want ot install through "manual program installation" ie. kde |
| 00:31.37 | vipersniper | *to |
| 00:31.52 | acesnore | seen that problam years ago on a cobalt but with raidtools2 all was fine. |
| 00:32.01 | peterS | poison: reinstalling won't retain your list of packages or your config file customisations. it should retain your home directories and such, so long as you don't reformat the drive |
| 00:32.01 | abrotman | hw or sw ? |
| 00:32.06 | poison | does knoppix support the newest scsi controller? |
| 00:32.11 | cthulfuego | AlexanRO: Actually, Gnome is on cd #3. |
| 00:32.16 | abrotman | vipersniper: apt-get install kde ? |
| 00:32.20 | vipersniper | i have selected kde and hit enter but nothing happens |
| 00:32.29 | xoz | poison: if your home is in a separate partition... just don't install anything to it during install time... just leave it and mount is as home dir |
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| 00:32.55 | poison | it's all in the same partion :s |
| 00:33.03 | cthulfuego | AlexanRO: if you have all the .jigdo files, you can check what's on each CD with 'bzless debian-31r0a-i386-binary-3.jigdo' |
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| 00:33.10 | Kepplar | *points at topic* what went wrong with Sid this time? |
| 00:33.20 | cthulfuego | Kepplar: Nothing, it's just Sid. |
| 00:33.30 | xoz | poison: dpkg --get-selections > selections... the dpkg --set-selections < selections ... to return to your installed packages |
| 00:33.31 | Kepplar | heh |
| 00:33.39 | Kepplar | Bill O_o |
| 00:33.46 | cthulfuego | Kepplar: It will probably come as quite a shock to all those idiots that didn't heed warnings because "it has been fine for two weeks!" |
| 00:33.46 | Morti | Alex o.O |
| 00:33.55 | xoz | poison: ouch |
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| 00:34.09 | Morti | Still, bed. |
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| 00:34.29 | Kepplar | cthulfuego: i run a sid box and I havent noticed it breaking (the others are testing) |
| 00:34.40 | cthulfuego | Kepplar: You will. |
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| 00:34.49 | Vilim | if you upgrade sanely with sid you can make it fine for a lot longer than two weeks |
| 00:34.59 | xoz | poison: if you have big space ... move all your files in one secret dir by booting from knoppix |
| 00:35.05 | poison | look the thing is, this is our database server and we don't have backups :s so I risk my head if I loose backups |
| 00:35.16 | cthulfuego | Vilim: unless there happens to be a bug in say the pam packages. |
| 00:35.17 | xoz | poison: then reinstall without formatting. |
| 00:35.28 | Vilim | I was stupid and forgot that gnome 2.10 was getting pushed into sid, upgraded and broke it for the first time in a while |
| 00:35.32 | cthulfuego | or maybe the 'passwd' package which would generate an invalid /etc/passwd |
| 00:35.40 | xoz | poison: more reason to have backup. |
| 00:35.40 | cthulfuego | Not as if it hasn't happened before. |
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| 00:35.49 | peterS | Vilim: now you know why we always used to say, read /topic in #debian before embarking on sid upgrades (: |
| 00:36.00 | Vilim | that is what I am saying, upgrade sanely |
| 00:36.01 | quentusrex | Help, I tried to install mythtv, but forgot to install mysql first. |
| 00:36.05 | poison | xoz: would you take the risk? |
| 00:36.08 | peterS | Vilim: it's a sensible policy - major breakage usually ends up being mentioned a lot in #debian quite quickly |
| 00:36.13 | quentusrex | How do I remove a partially installed package? |
| 00:36.29 | xoz | poison: yes. because i did it many times... depends on experience |
| 00:36.30 | Vegar | dpkg --purge package |
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| 00:37.12 | poison | ok I have the welcome screen of debian |
| 00:37.16 | xoz | poison: but having backup is much safer... you can play with the harddisk without much tension. |
| 00:37.17 | dbzdeath | hey can someone tell me where debian keeps the mysql database files? |
| 00:37.22 | deadcat | damn. not just sbc, dslextreme.com is also $15/month. )= |
| 00:37.32 | poison | initialize and activate a swap partition? |
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| 00:37.40 | Vilim | /var/lib/mysql |
| 00:37.53 | peterS | deadcat: sbc? I'm paying $29.99 for 3000/400 or so. what *should* I be paying? |
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| 00:38.07 | AlexanRO | cthulfuego: all i have are the binary iso images 1 -7 so far |
| 00:38.21 | xoz | dbzdeath: check /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 00:38.22 | Vegar | peterS: that's cheap |
| 00:38.22 | deadcat | peterS: $15.. i am paying $22 right now dammit. |
| 00:38.34 | peterS | Vegar: I'm sure not complaining |
| 00:38.35 | nick23 | Is anyone running unstable here? Could I see their sources.list file please? |
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| 00:39.00 | deadcat | peterS: your down is faster right? i think mine is 1500/400 |
| 00:39.01 | Vegar | peterS: I pay twice as much for 384/128 ADSL |
| 00:39.08 | dbzdeath | xoz: cheers |
| 00:39.12 | poison | beh first backup with knoppix |
| 00:39.15 | acesnore | Hi There, |
| 00:39.22 | xoz | deb http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 00:39.23 | poison | does knoppix support aic79xx? |
| 00:39.35 | peterS | deadcat: I don't know what my upload should be but it seems to be in the neighborhood of 400. down I can get 315 kB/s sometimes, which is very close to the 3000 kbit they told me |
| 00:39.36 | deadcat | poison: how the hell do we know |
| 00:39.36 | acesnore | anyone with raid1 problems since woody-> sarge or even better... solutions ? |
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| 00:39.51 | peterS | poison: probably. aic79xx isn't exactly new, it's been in several 2.4 kernels |
| 00:39.52 | hejux | hi |
| 00:39.56 | poison | deadcat: that's exactly what I'm asking myself if I'm here :) |
| 00:39.57 | xoz | nick23: ^^^ remove jp |
| 00:40.04 | fuuta | hi |
| 00:40.05 | hejux | my filesystem at / is reiserfs but it can be readonly! |
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| 00:40.16 | hejux | whats the problem ? |
| 00:40.27 | xoz | hejux: mount -o rw,remount / |
| 00:40.29 | deadcat | peterS: nice. mine is the default 1500kbit |
| 00:40.31 | acesnore | hejux: hi |
| 00:40.34 | deadcat | poison: so try #knoppix |
| 00:40.47 | hejux | xoz it is aready mounted with rw |
| 00:40.51 | acesnore | i hope you was talking to me about raid problem ? |
| 00:40.51 | poison | oh yeah, that figures :) sorry |
| 00:41.02 | peterS | deadcat: I used to have 1500. I didn't mind, it was plenty fast enough for me. but they ran a promotion on "DSL Pro" which is my current plan, and it's cheaper (for one year) than I was paying. so. |
| 00:41.19 | xoz | hejux: you cannot mkdir ooo as root? |
| 00:41.32 | hejux | yes i cannt |
| 00:41.51 | hejux | can't mkdir at anywhere under / |
| 00:41.54 | idealbsd | which file is kernel write error message to during bootup, dmesg can't find it? |
| 00:41.58 | Vilim | I have just got insanely lucky, TBayTel (my ISP - DSL) upgraded everyone to 5 mbit downstream for free to compete with Rogers (cable) |
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| 00:42.16 | xoz | hejux: and mount says ... (rw) ? |
| 00:42.17 | vladster | ok there is a package for tor |
| 00:42.23 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 00:42.24 | deadcat | peterS: i get 5 dyn ips from dslextreme. but i only use 1. |
| 00:42.32 | abrotman | only in sid though last i checked |
| 00:42.43 | vladster | needed a lot of depas thourhg |
| 00:42.46 | vladster | deps |
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| 00:43.01 | peterS | deadcat: oh. yeah, I'd be happy to NAT if I really needed connectivity on more than one box. |
| 00:43.07 | abrotman | vladster: the tor package ? |
| 00:43.17 | abrotman | vladster: it used to install cleanly on sarge |
| 00:43.49 | vladster | I have a bastardization of testing and stable repositories |
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| 00:43.57 | abrotman | vladster: and it won't install ? |
| 00:44.11 | dbeal | Hello. I'm considering installing Debian on top of a Fedora installation. What's my first step? I've been fuddling around with debootstrap on my Debian machine but I still don't know exactly what to do on the Fedora machine. |
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| 00:44.23 | vladster | It did install finally |
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| 00:44.30 | abrotman | dbeal: you can just use the regular installer if you prefer |
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| 00:44.37 | vladster | :0 |
| 00:44.40 | vladster | :) |
| 00:44.45 | deadcat | is it save to use hdaccess with https? |
| 00:45.00 | dondelelcaro | dbeal: it's best not to install it on top, but to install it on separate partitions, and then mount /home and any other data partitions into the new Debian install. |
| 00:45.02 | Vilim | dbeal: on top of? it kind of sounds messy. Although I really don't know anything about it |
| 00:45.14 | jesse | Hey.. I had to reload my server, and I have many users already setup with mbox.. so sadly I'm going to stick with it.. Anyways. I have sendmail setup it's all working fine.. and I installed uwimapd.. problem with it is though when I try to login it just fails.... and I have no idea why...It doesn't appear to have any config files...I'm confused. |
| 00:45.24 | abrotman | dbeal: you mean to replace fedora ? |
| 00:45.24 | vladster | now that Blackdown is in , maybe azureas should work |
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| 00:45.35 | dbeal | This is on a VPS, so I don't have a partition. |
| 00:45.38 | dondelelcaro | dbeal: while it can be done (I've done it a few times) it's not exactly trivial, and requires a relatively intimate knowledge of what is going on. |
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| 00:46.02 | abrotman | deadcat: why wouldn't it be ? |
| 00:46.10 | hejux | xoz: my OS is knoppix.last night i installed it into harddisk,i think it succeeds to the CD version of its readonly |
| 00:46.13 | deadcat | abrotman: i dont know. i know its not save with http |
| 00:46.21 | resiak | hejux: #knoppix |
| 00:46.26 | abrotman | deadcat: sure it is .. just depends on your data |
| 00:46.33 | hejux | must i module the kernel ? |
| 00:46.38 | Vilim | how does it work? wouldn't you have a bunch of useless libraries and duplicate config files hanging around? |
| 00:46.42 | shingouz | hejux: #knoppix |
| 00:46.47 | hejux | resiak: no one in knoppix |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | hejux: wrong channel .. #knoppix |
| 00:46.52 | resiak | !they don't know |
| 00:46.52 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:47.01 | deadcat | abrotman: just pictures |
| 00:47.02 | xoz | hejux: i think knoppix has the readme for that... or google it. you are not the only one with that issue. |
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| 00:47.07 | shingouz | hejux: that is not our problem. #knoppix is the place |
| 00:47.11 | hejux | abrotman: my god! debian and knoppix are the same |
| 00:47.17 | Wyzard | hejux: No, they're not |
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| 00:47.19 | resiak | !based on debian |
| 00:47.20 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 00:47.20 | abrotman | no they are NOT |
| 00:47.20 | shingouz | again |
| 00:47.20 | Quag7 | heh |
| 00:47.22 | Quag7 | here it comes. |
| 00:47.30 | Milhouse | Any girls wanna come over and check out my linux box? |
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| 00:47.36 | shingouz | !knoppixsmite hejux |
| 00:47.40 | green_earz | yes |
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| 00:48.08 | abrotman | that was a quick return |
| 00:48.13 | Milhouse | I got kicked for that? I've said far worse things than that on this channel. |
| 00:48.21 | abrotman | he admits it! |
| 00:48.26 | Milhouse | and not been kicked |
| 00:48.29 | xoz | !search google about readonly root knoppix |
| 00:48.31 | hejux | Wyzard: what i want to know is how to make the / read and write! |
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| 00:48.34 | dpkg | Google says about readonly root knoppix is at http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-41975.html or http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ptopic41959.html or http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-211310.html or http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-211342.html or http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-211331.html |
| 00:48.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you know how to setup htaccess with libapache-gallery-perl? |
| 00:48.43 | xoz | hejux: ^^ |
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| 00:48.47 | abrotman | resiak: for what ? |
| 00:48.51 | green_earz | Milhouse: is it a big box ? |
| 00:48.56 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I've actually never tried. It may or may not work. |
| 00:48.58 | Wyzard | hejux: I've never done a Knoppix HD install, but I'd imagine that it would mount the hard drive read-write by default |
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| 00:49.13 | Wyzard | hejux: "man mount" |
| 00:49.13 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i tried it, didnt work. but i might be wrong. |
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| 00:49.16 | Milhouse | green- yeap. |
| 00:49.16 | vladster | Killer azureus is working |
| 00:49.18 | resiak | abrotman: For pointing out he admits it. |
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| 00:49.32 | shingouz | hejux: man fstab too while you're at it |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | deadcat: tons of docs at httpd.apache.org |
| 00:49.39 | green_earz | i commming over |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | hejux: #knoppix |
| 00:49.51 | xoz | Wyzard: i think hejux forgot the configure option to enable it. |
| 00:49.51 | deadcat | abrotman: regular html works. not sure about with libapache-gallery-perl |
| 00:50.01 | abrotman | i don't see what the difference would be |
| 00:50.06 | Wyzard | xoz: Configure option to enable writing to a hard drive? |
| 00:50.14 | jesse | Hey.. I had to reload my server, and I have many users already setup with mbox.. so sadly I'm going to stick with it.. Anyways. I have sendmail setup it's all working fine.. and I installed uwimapd.. problem with it is though when I try to login it just fails.... and I have no idea why...It doesn't appear to have any config files...I'm confused. |
| 00:50.21 | hejux | Wyzard: other folders can be write except the / and folders followed / |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | !info mb2md |
| 00:50.30 | peterS | jesse: see /var/log/syslog for clues |
| 00:50.31 | dpkg | mb2md: (Converting Mbox mailboxes to Maildir format), section net, is optional. Version: 3.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 00:50.31 | xoz | Wyzard: no, included in the script for the fstab option i think |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | hejux: #knoppix |
| 00:50.43 | shingouz | hejux: directory, not folder |
| 00:50.44 | vladster | anyone know where one can find some good pr0n (bad joke) ;) |
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| 00:50.54 | Wyzard | hejux: It sounds like your root partition is mounted read-only, but I dunno why it would be. |
| 00:51.11 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, the thing with apache-gallery is that it implements its own handler, so it ignores the .htaccess for the most part |
| 00:51.16 | vladster | I really should put a leash on my twistd humor |
| 00:51.16 | xoz | hejux: google has many links... go for it instead of wasting our time ;) |
| 00:51.23 | shingouz | hejux: man fstab, man mount, /join #knoppix, /part #debian |
| 00:51.39 | hejux | Wyzard: i checked the fstab and / is mounted as RW |
| 00:51.39 | jesse | peterS, Nothing that helps Jun 11 00:43:10 korrupt imapd[1674]: connect from 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) |
| 00:51.39 | jesse | Jun 11 00:43:10 korrupt imapd[1674]: imap service init from 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:51.39 | jesse | Jun 11 00:43:10 korrupt imapd[1674]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1] |
| 00:51.51 | poison | how can I setup an ip address with ifconfig (192.168.0.10) |
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| 00:52.01 | abrotman | hejux: seriously .. #knoppix .. it's not hard .. |
| 00:52.02 | idealbsd | which file is kernel write error message to during bootup, dmesg can't find it? |
| 00:52.05 | dondelelcaro | poison: edit /etc/network/interfaces; man 5 interfaces; for details |
| 00:52.06 | Wyzard | hejux: then I don't know; it must be some quirk of Knoppix, which you're not going to get help with here |
| 00:52.15 | hejux | abrotman : :( |
| 00:52.19 | poison | dondelelcaro : I don't have access to interfaces |
| 00:52.20 | peterS | poison: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 00:52.21 | shingouz | hejux: can you read? #knoppix is the place to ask. go |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | idealbsd: /var/log/boot.log ? |
| 00:52.23 | peterS | poison: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 00:52.39 | Milhouse | I have a question about linux. Since I've installed linux on my box my ass is been getting fatter, Has anyone else has this linux problem? |
| 00:52.40 | Wyzard | hejux: Distro-independent questions are fine, but I can't think of any reason why a hard-drive installation mounted read-write would fail to be writable |
| 00:52.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: so no way to use username:passwd? |
| 00:52.48 | abrotman | hejux: if they don't want to help you .. install debian .. then come ask us :) |
| 00:53.02 | jesse | Milhouse, Yes.. You need to purge your .deb archives. |
| 00:53.12 | shwag | help, mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/gentoo mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock |
| 00:53.18 | resiak | WTF. |
| 00:53.23 | resiak | shwag: #gentoo is that way ----> |
| 00:53.24 | hejux | abrotman: already i have debian |
| 00:53.30 | resiak | hejux: You have Knoppix. |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | hejux: no .. you have knoppix |
| 00:53.31 | Wyzard | hejux: No, you have Knoppix |
| 00:53.33 | Wyzard | lol |
| 00:53.48 | lawnchair | Milhouse, ive had that problem for 8 years sir |
| 00:53.50 | shingouz | Milhouse: you need to make the box crash at regular intervals, that way you need to kick it around the place and that burns fat |
| 00:53.57 | hejux | abrotman: i mean i have a debian and a knoppix on my HD |
| 00:54.05 | shingouz | hejux: use debian then |
| 00:54.06 | hejux | and a windows xp |
| 00:54.14 | abrotman | hejux: and you have problems with Knoppix |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | so #knoppix |
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| 00:54.29 | Wyzard | hejux: That's good, but you're not asking about the Debian system, you're asking about the Knoppix |
| 00:54.34 | Milhouse | maybe if I got another linux box it would solve my ass problem |
| 00:54.55 | hejux | abrotman: ok Wyzard thanks |
| 00:55.00 | Wyzard | hejux: If your hard drive is mounted read-only (and isn't full, of course) and writing to it fails, it's probably some Knoppix quirk |
| 00:55.01 | hejux | i will be back soon |
| 00:55.06 | shingouz | hejux: the point we are trying to make here is that we have no clue on how knoppix does things. the people on #knoppix should know, if they do not it is not our headache |
| 00:55.10 | Wyzard | s/read-only/read-write/ |
| 00:55.15 | abrotman | Wyzard: or a damaged OS :) |
| 00:55.20 | xoz | hejux: check /etc/fstab |
| 00:55.21 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:55.24 | abrotman | oh wait .. knoppix is damaged by default |
| 00:55.30 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Feel like +b-ing the troll? |
| 00:55.30 | Wyzard | xoz: He says it's mounted RW |
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| 00:55.44 | xoz | possible that root is virtual |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | resiak: which one ? |
| 00:55.48 | resiak | abrotman: Milhouse. |
| 00:55.54 | xoz | like initrd |
| 00:55.57 | abrotman | xoz: not our problem .. it's a Knoppix intsall |
| 00:56.15 | Wyzard | xoz: If so, that's the point where it stops being a distro-independent question |
| 00:56.37 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: not trivially, no. |
| 00:56.50 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: but it probably would be a useful feature request |
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| 00:56.54 | shingouz | hejux: as i already said at least two times, man mount, man fstab and that is the only thing i can say. i would say the same it you were running gentoo or deadrat for that matter |
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| 00:57.13 | hejux | abrotman oh wait .. knoppix is damaged by default ? |
| 00:57.20 | shingouz | yes it is |
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| 00:57.28 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you gonna request? i dont know how (= |
| 00:57.29 | theD3viL- | Can i send music to shoutcast only by liveIce? |
| 00:57.30 | resiak | dondelelcaro: I wasn't talking about that troll :) |
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| 00:58.15 | Wyzard | hehe, hejux missed the sarcasm and will now probably tell #knoppix that #debian says Knoppix is damaged by default :-) |
| 00:58.19 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: just post to the mailing list... users@apachegallery.dk |
| 00:58.28 | deadcat | k |
| 00:58.29 | xoz | he's back |
| 00:58.29 | poison | is there a way to generate md5's from a directory and to check them afterwards (to check backups)? |
| 00:58.31 | hejux | Wyzard: no! |
| 00:58.32 | cthulfuego | Wyzard: #knoppix is OT |
| 00:58.36 | resiak | poison: man md5sum |
| 00:58.36 | hejux | i am back |
| 00:58.42 | dondelelcaro | poison: yes. |
| 00:58.44 | shingouz | great... |
| 00:58.44 | Wyzard | ah, you're back |
| 00:58.49 | hejux | i will stop asking this question |
| 00:58.52 | poison | lol |
| 00:58.54 | poison | tnx |
| 00:59.06 | hejux | never ever refer to knoppix |
| 00:59.10 | xoz | self-regulation |
| 00:59.10 | peterS | poison: you can just 'md5sum * > /tmp/the.md5s' and later use 'md5sum -c /tmp/the.md5s' |
| 00:59.24 | poison | thanks peterS |
| 00:59.26 | Wyzard | hejux: It's not "never ever refer to it"... just don't come here asking for support with it |
| 00:59.34 | hejux | heh |
| 00:59.44 | Wyzard | hejux: It *does* have differences from Debian, and we don't use it so we don't know what those differences may be |
| 00:59.50 | dbeal | maybe find | xargs md5sum for large directories |
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| 01:00.26 | acesnore | anyone there NOT running Knoppix or having high speed DSL issues that has something to say about mdadm, raid1 and crashes ? Please ? |
| 01:00.29 | peterS | hejux: the real problem with knoppix questions is that quite often the answers for knoppix *are* different from the ones for debian. not sure why the questions around here would be skewed to that sort, but they are. so it wastes our time and the questioner's time |
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| 01:00.50 | cthulfuego | acesnore: My box upgraded itself to raidtool2 without problems. |
| 01:01.12 | hejux | i see |
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| 01:01.44 | cthulfuego | &*(!TVX#*V%#*(&^!( |
| 01:01.51 | dbeal | acesnore, what does DSL have to do with raid or mdadm? |
| 01:02.05 | xoz | hejux: the clues: check man fstab, mount... look which device is mounted as root...filesystem type...etc. we are guessing because we are not running knoppix. but in general, you can look into these info. *research* and *google* |
| 01:02.06 | dbeal | furthermore, what's "high speed" DSL anyway? |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | what does DSL have to do with mdadm? |
| 01:02.32 | Ledd | hello all |
| 01:02.39 | hejux | no one in #knoppix |
| 01:02.43 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 01:02.45 | hejux | xoz thanks |
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| 01:02.50 | cthulfuego | hejux: try #redhat instead |
| 01:03.00 | abrotman | there are 30 people there |
| 01:03.06 | xoz | hejux: redhat, morphix |
| 01:03.09 | hejux | how to mount as root ? xoz |
| 01:03.10 | man_in_shack | what's the diff between 3.1_r0 and 3.1_r0a? |
| 01:03.22 | quitte_ | man_in_shack: a line in sources.list |
| 01:03.23 | abrotman | hejux: for real .. STOP ASKING ABOUT YOUR KNOPPIX INSTALL |
| 01:03.24 | xoz | hejux: read the manual... |
| 01:03.50 | hejux | abrotman: i am not! |
| 01:03.51 | man_in_shack | quitte_, that's not entirely helpful |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | hejux: you are ... |
| 01:04.08 | hejux | in debian how to mount as root ? |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | hejux: if you want to drag xoz with you to #knoppix .. go ahead .. but get out of here with knoppix crap |
| 01:04.22 | quitte_ | man_in_shack: security.debian.org is refering to stable instead of testing in etc/apt/sources.list. helpful now? |
| 01:04.23 | dondelelcaro | hejux: mount /dev/foo /mnt/foo; |
| 01:04.23 | xoz | hejux: you have enough clues to get you started... any info about those things we told you won't be answered.... read |
| 01:04.58 | man_in_shack | quitte_, slightly more, but which has which? |
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| 01:05.13 | abrotman | man_in_shack: you want r0a if ytou can .. otherwise .. the fix is trivial |
| 01:05.26 | quitte_ | man_in_shack: old version: broken, new worsion fixed. there are no security updates for testing. |
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| 01:05.33 | man_in_shack | ... |
| 01:05.47 | man_in_shack | abrotman > quitte_ |
| 01:05.51 | man_in_shack | ty abrotman |
| 01:05.52 | Guerin | broken is a strong word for a commented, incorrect line in sources.list |
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| 01:06.11 | acesnore | DSL or Knoppix has probably NOTHING to do with the raid problem... I was just wondering if anyone has experienced this raid problem with mdadm |
| 01:06.15 | abrotman | Guerin: it's not commented ... it's just broken :) |
| 01:06.16 | Guerin | wouldn't be the first time |
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| 01:06.25 | acesnore | where the whole fscking machine hangs after the first md device is synced |
| 01:06.28 | Guerin | abrotman: hrm, not what I read. |
| 01:06.28 | cthulfuego | Guerin: You broken now. |
| 01:06.28 | acesnore | and how to remedy it |
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| 01:07.00 | quitte_ | hell. im giving a full explanation and it's not good enough. I'll go to bed. |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | acesnore: did you try the old kernel ? |
| 01:07.08 | Ledd | anyone know what might be the problem if the networked computer can connect to irc but cannot browse website after i upgraded to sarge.. |
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| 01:08.21 | abrotman | Ledd: all browsers ? |
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| 01:08.46 | shingouz | Ledd: do you have some weird and wonderful iptables there? |
| 01:08.55 | Ledd | i can browse the default site |
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| 01:09.00 | xoz | Ledd: firewalled? or problem with bandwidth? |
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| 01:09.02 | abrotman | default site ? |
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| 01:09.36 | CosmoDad | hi I've installed dnsmasq and configured vital settings in dnsmasq.conf, but trying to get an IP address over DHCP always fails with a timeout. What could be a reason for that? |
| 01:09.47 | shingouz | Ledd: check your resolv.conf for the hell of it |
| 01:09.48 | Ledd | shingouz: i did not change anything in iptable. previously it's working fine in woody |
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| 01:10.36 | xoz | Ledd: ouch... woody=>sarge may have config problem |
| 01:10.42 | Ledd | in the debian box it has no problem. |
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| 01:10.51 | xoz | Ledd: try to disable your firewall first |
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| 01:11.02 | wlinux | salve a todos |
| 01:11.03 | ayecee | anyone having sound problems with sid? horrible quality here all the sudden. |
| 01:11.04 | wlinux | hi |
| 01:11.14 | shingouz | Ledd: can you ping different URL's? |
| 01:11.14 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 01:11.15 | dpkg | hmm... portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:11.22 | abrotman | Ledd: what is the default site ? |
| 01:11.40 | abrotman | ayecee: that's why it's called unstable .. you dont' get to complain |
| 01:11.41 | shingouz | ayecee: stop polling and tell us what is wrong with the box |
| 01:11.41 | Ledd | in debian box i can ping different urls.. |
| 01:11.45 | xoz | Ledd: check if you have correct entry in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:11.56 | abrotman | Ledd: What is the default site ? |
| 01:11.57 | ayecee | abrotman, not complaining.. just wondering if it's the software, or my hardware that's going. |
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| 01:12.02 | xoz | Ledd: you mean other machines? |
| 01:12.03 | Ledd | abrotman: www.google.com |
| 01:12.09 | xoz | Ledd: check ip forwarding |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | ayecee: it is the influx after sarge's release |
| 01:12.16 | abrotman | Ledd: and no other sites work ? |
| 01:12.28 | idealbsd | which file is kernel write error message to during bootup, dmesg can't find it? |
| 01:12.38 | abrotman | boot.log ? |
| 01:12.39 | abrotman | syslog |
| 01:12.41 | abrotman | messages ? |
| 01:12.46 | ayecee | shingouz, just did. jesus christ. |
| 01:12.56 | abrotman | ayecee: no you didn't |
| 01:13.07 | xoz | Ledd: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:13.08 | Ledd | abrotman. yes. but i can connect to irc, bittorrent etx |
| 01:13.08 | abrotman | sound problems isn't stating a problem |
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| 01:13.19 | abrotman | Ledd: can you get to www.freenode.net ? |
| 01:13.27 | idealbsd | abrotman, no, i grep the error message in /var/log but can't find them |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | what message ? |
| 01:13.40 | ayecee | sound problems, yes. horrible sound quality is a bit more descriptive. |
| 01:13.49 | Ledd | abrotman: nope.. |
| 01:14.02 | abrotman | Ledd: tried more than one browser ? |
| 01:14.33 | ayecee | *shrug* |
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| 01:14.45 | abrotman | ayecee: alsa ? oss? sound daemon ? |
| 01:14.50 | quitte_ | ayecee: what kind of horrible? noise with the actual sound? sounds like poor sampling rate? low bitrate? |
| 01:14.50 | shingouz | !tinfoil ayecee |
| 01:14.51 | dpkg | ayecee if you really are going to be that vague, you should take off your tinfoil hat so that we could read your mind. |
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| 01:14.53 | Ledd | xoz: still not working.. |
| 01:14.55 | idealbsd | it's a long sentence warn message, i can't figure it clear before it passed |
| 01:15.01 | xoz | Ledd: check /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 01:15.04 | abrotman | idealbsd: about what ? |
| 01:15.12 | el_cubano | Does anyone out there own a toshiba laptop? |
| 01:15.16 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 01:15.17 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 01:15.23 | Ledd | abrotman: i have tried other browser.. stil not working.. |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | Ledd: nslookup www.freenode.net ? |
| 01:15.34 | ayecee | ah, good point. xmms playing through esd, xine playing through esd, sounds like static but more consistent.. |
| 01:15.35 | xoz | Ledd: did you stop your firewall? |
| 01:15.47 | xoz | Ledd: can you ping other sites? |
| 01:15.47 | ayecee | sounds like someone whistling while humming, that kind of thing |
| 01:15.48 | el_cubano | dpkg: That list won't help me reproduce a bug in package. Which is why I am seeking toshiba users. |
| 01:15.48 | dpkg | el_cubano: what are you talking about? |
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| 01:16.03 | Ledd | xoz: yes, i have checked it. |
| 01:16.04 | el_cubano | dpkg: I need some help with bug #153070 |
| 01:16.05 | abrotman | el_cubano: gotta be more specific then |
| 01:16.09 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 01:16.09 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:16.13 | shingouz | !tell el_cubano about ask |
| 01:16.16 | shingouz | !tell el_cubano about sicco |
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| 01:16.19 | shingouz | !tell el_cubano about polls |
| 01:16.20 | Guerin | el_cubano: no, nobody owna a toshiba laptop. You are alone, crying in the wilderness. |
| 01:16.22 | quitte_ | ayecee: sounds like a mic that plays the sound again? |
| 01:16.26 | acesnore | abortman: did the kernel upgrade troo ? i think not |
| 01:16.45 | dvs | acesnore: You have to do that manually |
| 01:16.51 | Guerin | !dbugs 153070 |
| 01:16.52 | idealbsd | abrotman, i just remember some error concern on find and some word like "tmpfind ...db ..." |
| 01:16.54 | acesnore | Linux shrek 2.4.18 #2 SMP Wed May 26 10:43:09 AST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:16.54 | abrotman | acesnore: i'm asking you |
| 01:16.54 | dpkg | #153070:N[toshutils] hotkey: troubles with pid's Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:03:10 UTC |
| 01:16.58 | ayecee | quitte_, hmm.. don't think so, but i don't quite know what that sounds like. |
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| 01:17.12 | abrotman | el_cubano: that's not much of an errro |
| 01:17.20 | ayecee | on a compaq r3000-series laptop, nvidia chipset. |
| 01:17.41 | Guerin | el_cubano: i haven't ever been able to get toshutils working properly on my tecra 8000; i just blame the fact that it's 8 years old. |
| 01:17.59 | quitte_ | ayecee: try lowering some volumes anyways. |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | idealbsd: you sure that's the error ? |
| 01:18.05 | el_cubano | Guerin: Do you have apm loaded or compiled in the kernel? |
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| 01:18.26 | Ledd | xoz: i did not stopped my firewall. in debian box, i can ping other site w/o problem. but the other machine cant.. |
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| 01:18.36 | ayecee | quitte_, i'll give it a try, but they're not maxxed out at this point anyways |
| 01:18.36 | xoz | Ledd: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:18.37 | abrotman | Ledd: nslookup www.freenode.net ? |
| 01:18.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you there? |
| 01:18.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up. |
| 01:18.49 | ayecee | quitte_, well, i'll try it later. time for fresh air first :) |
| 01:18.54 | xoz | Ledd: did you enable this? |
| 01:18.58 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I forgot the password to my server ;( |
| 01:19.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: let me see if i remember. |
| 01:19.12 | Guerin | el_cubano: I don't now; I was using stock debian kernels back when I tried. |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | !tell TwistedEmotions about i forgot root's password |
| 01:19.27 | Ledd | abrotman: got the address of freenode.net |
| 01:19.37 | abrotman | Ledd: nslookup www.yahoo.com |
| 01:19.38 | Ledd | xoz: yes it was enabled |
| 01:19.47 | el_cubano | Guerin: Weird. I have only heard of people with newer laptops having problems with toshutils. |
| 01:19.47 | abrotman | Ledd: you're on the debian box aren't you ? |
| 01:19.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: g |
| 01:20.01 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: I dont have physical access to the computer... its a virtual server... it's okay... hopefully deadcat knows the passwd |
| 01:20.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk |
| 01:20.05 | xoz | Ledd: still not working in other machines? |
| 01:20.08 | Ledd | got several address |
| 01:20.17 | Guerin | el_cubano: well, I could use it. I thought all toshis were acpi, anyway. |
| 01:20.19 | abrotman | Ledd: this is from the debian machine ? |
| 01:20.25 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: changing to on |
| 01:20.30 | acesnore | abortman: Linux shrek 2.4.18 #2 SMP Wed May 26 10:43:09 AST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:20.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: got it |
| 01:20.38 | el_cubano | Guerin: As of about three years ago, yes. Prior to that they were APM. |
| 01:20.46 | Guerin | abrotman: abort! abort! |
| 01:20.47 | Ledd | abrotman: nope. iam on the other machine. the debian box can browse and ping w/o problem.. |
| 01:20.48 | xoz | abrotman: debian machine is ok... other machine is the problem, right Ledd ? |
| 01:20.54 | abrotman | Guerin: ok |
| 01:20.58 | idealbsd | abrotman, yes, it like bootup can't find somethings or not it's should be a boot.msg file in /var/log? |
| 01:21.03 | abrotman | Ledd: you have to do the nslookup from the debian box |
| 01:21.10 | _keroppi_ | What's a good way to send out emails to a list of people, so each person gets the same email, and they're the only one in the two field, without using an smtp server? (I'm having a party, it's not spam) |
| 01:21.11 | Ledd | xoz: yes ur right |
| 01:21.14 | Guerin | el_cubano: that would explain why acpi sometimes causes hangs on boot, and causes USB to not work, at all. |
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| 01:21.15 | xoz | Ledd: it is surely your firewall not doing nat. |
| 01:21.21 | xoz | Ledd: NAT |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | xoz: ah .. ok |
| 01:21.31 | Ledd | abrotman: from the other machine |
| 01:21.33 | abrotman | ok .. so nslookup works from the machine .. but www does not ? |
| 01:21.34 | el_cubano | Guerin: Yup. |
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| 01:21.43 | abrotman | oh .. ffs |
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| 01:21.57 | Ledd | xoz: but i can connect to irc.. |
| 01:22.24 | Guerin | ok, let's reboot into a debian kernel with apm and see what we can see |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | Ledd: telnet www.asdf.com 80 |
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| 01:22.41 | trogger | I'm having problems with GPG not finding the public key with an apt-get update. Please point me to a howto or something on how to fix this, please... |
| 01:22.41 | Hablandocontigo | Hello, how can I check that my mike is working? (this one is built into monitor but plugged in mike jack) |
| 01:22.42 | abrotman | Ledd: get / |
| 01:22.50 | acesnore | abrotman: make any sense ? |
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| 01:23.01 | acesnore | this stuff happened after the upgrade w->s |
| 01:23.03 | abrotman | acesnore: no .. i don't use sw raid .. it sucks .. as you see :) |
| 01:23.06 | xoz | Ledd: ask somebody here who knows NAT... ledd irc packet may be ok but the other iptable commands have problems... maybe, the new iptables have some tweaks... try to review your firwall commands. |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | acesnore: i was just asking to try to help others help you |
| 01:23.26 | acesnore | abrotman: it has NEVER sucked before |
| 01:23.33 | acesnore | I am doing this since 1998! |
| 01:23.36 | abrotman | acesnore: it has ALWAYS sucked |
| 01:23.41 | acesnore | I think mdadm is the problem here |
| 01:23.45 | abrotman | if you like your data .. and really need it .. use hw raid |
| 01:23.49 | xoz | Ledd: ping should work at the least. |
| 01:23.56 | acesnore | abrotman: your party |
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| 01:24.01 | abrotman | xoz: telnet www.asdf.com 80 !!! |
| 01:24.07 | acesnore | try one of the old promise ide raid controllers |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | get / !! |
| 01:24.11 | acesnore | and have a party :-) |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | SCSI duh |
| 01:24.17 | toresbe | Hmm - are airplane tickets cheaper when you order many? |
| 01:24.19 | dbeal | sw raid doesn't suck..it was hard for me to get working though. |
| 01:24.20 | abrotman | jeez .. kids and thier toys |
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| 01:24.24 | cthulfuego | toresbe: No |
| 01:24.30 | Ledd | xoz: ic.. can it be the bind9? |
| 01:24.36 | acesnore | dbeal: yes it was hard back then! |
| 01:24.36 | abrotman | toresbe: unless you rent the whole plane :) |
| 01:24.40 | toresbe | heh |
| 01:24.47 | toresbe | I mean >10 tickets |
| 01:24.48 | LinuxJones | Faya, don't run your system as root !! |
| 01:24.49 | abrotman | Ledd: telnet www.asdf.com 80 .. get / |
| 01:24.51 | acesnore | dbeal: and it is still hard to boot grub of md devs! |
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| 01:25.13 | dbeal | acesnore, yeah, I still don't know exactly how my machine boots. but it does. |
| 01:25.19 | acesnore | buit apparently I am the only one tonight with this prob |
| 01:25.24 | xoz | Ledd: shorewall has a very simple configuration to do this |
| 01:25.38 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 01:25.38 | dpkg | IP masquerading allows several machines to share one Internet connection. Learn about it at http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html or don't mix the slink ipmasq deb and a 2.2.x kernel, or available at ipmasq.cjb.net, or ipmasq package is evil, before coming here to ask help with unexpected network problems, first remove it! See also: masq |
| 01:25.43 | Ledd | xoz: cannt connect.. |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | Ledd: you mean me ? |
| 01:25.59 | acesnore | let me go find the mdadm programmer... |
| 01:26.04 | Ledd | abrotman: not working |
| 01:26.22 | abrotman | Ledd: you sure there's no firewall ? |
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| 01:27.05 | dbeal | acesnore, actually, I used...let me think...a debian from scratch boot cd -> grub cli menu. since it was in bios mode (intel software bios raid) the raid drives were recognized properly. after that, uhh..other magicks happened..then it booted. |
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| 01:28.33 | xoz | abrotman: Ledd is still using his firewall which i think is the problem |
| 01:28.42 | abrotman | xoz: you think? :) |
| 01:28.42 | xoz | Ledd: reconfigure it. |
| 01:28.47 | abrotman | or shut it off |
| 01:29.16 | dbeal | acesnore, I may be rambling about unrelated matters, but, alas I had to use a kernel commandline parameter to arrange the raid devices and define their stripe size. good luck finding accurate documentation on this commandline parameter though. |
| 01:29.17 | Ledd | i'll try shutting it off.. |
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| 01:29.27 | abrotman | afaic .. -o eth0 -j ACCEPT :) |
| 01:29.53 | myren | how do i enable ip_forwarding and arp_forwarding on a 2.4 kernel? |
| 01:30.14 | dbeal | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8 root=/dev/md_d0p2 md=d0,0,2,0,/dev/sda,/dev/sdb ro raid=part log_buf=128000 psmouse.rate=200 |
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| 01:30.30 | abrotman | yeah .. that's why i use hw raid :) |
| 01:30.51 | dbeal | sorry, I meant to edit that. |
| 01:31.13 | Hablandocontigo | how can I check that my microphone is working? (this one is built into monitor but plugged in microphone jack) |
| 01:31.30 | dbeal | md_d0p2 is the 'hardcoded' device name. got nothing to do with what's in /dev! |
| 01:31.34 | xoz | Ledd: try shorewall... very simple config to do NAT |
| 01:31.37 | abrotman | Hablandocontigo: audacity |
| 01:31.44 | abrotman | Hablandocontigo: and unmute it |
| 01:32.02 | Ledd | xoz: where can i get that? |
| 01:32.13 | xoz | Ledd: apt-get install shorewall |
| 01:32.19 | schrankwand | cu |
| 01:32.20 | dbeal | md=d0,0,2,0, <-- the '2' means shift 4096 over by 2. that is, stripe size=16384! |
| 01:33.06 | dbeal | if your stripe size is 32768, you'd put a '3' instead of a '2'. I think this differs from the documentation, though. sometimes they say, put in log2(stripe size), etc. |
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| 01:33.27 | exobyte | ok.. how bad is pptp for security? I doubt it will be REALLY bad for wireless, but then again.. |
| 01:33.33 | dbeal | it can cause hangs (or at least a panic) for sure... |
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| 01:33.49 | abrotman | xoz: apt-get install ipmasq ? |
| 01:33.58 | moveover | is debian considered a lean and clean distro? |
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| 01:34.28 | dbeal | but then again, you're not trying to boot from your raid device..you may not have this problem (this nice situation). |
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| 01:34.40 | xoz | Ledd: yep, ipmasq as suggested by abrotman is much easier |
| 01:34.43 | dbeal | anyway, you're doing raid1..so, there's lots of documentation about that. |
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| 01:35.27 | dbeal | nobody likes sw raid0 I guess... |
| 01:35.38 | mmmmm | How do you set mounting permissions? |
| 01:35.45 | Guerin | mmmmm: man fstab |
| 01:35.46 | mmmmm | I want /tmp to be 777, but it's mounting 755. |
| 01:35.51 | mmmmm | man fstab gives me fstab.h |
| 01:35.51 | Breeder | to configure ssh just need to 'dpkg-reconfigure ssh' right? |
| 01:36.00 | Guerin | mmmmm: err, how the fuck dod you break /tmp's permissions |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | mmmmm: you mean 1755 ? |
| 01:36.10 | Guerin | should be 1777 |
| 01:36.10 | dbeal | I'm just wondering why would you go hardware raid, only to be the victim of vendor lock-in for very little benefit over sw raid if any. |
| 01:36.33 | mmmmm | yesier 1755 |
| 01:36.37 | Hablandocontigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.38 | mmmmm | uhh |
| 01:36.39 | mmmmm | 1777 |
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| 01:36.43 | abrotman | Guerin: i guess you're right .. 1755 i thought .. but 1777 is correct |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman | dbeal: you're not |
| 01:37.07 | mmmmm | i broke it good. :) there must be a way to force it instead of typing chmod 777 /tmp everytime |
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| 01:37.24 | abrotman | dbeal: depends on the raid level etc |
| 01:37.42 | myren | how do i bridge a subnet? |
| 01:38.10 | myren | i've got two segments of 10.x.x.x and i'd like them to be able to connect to each other. |
| 01:38.12 | Breeder | 'dpkg-reconfigure ssh' is returning to the shell without doing anything :-\ |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | -plow |
| 01:38.34 | myren | there's a link between the two but i dont know how to get packets forwarding |
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| 01:38.50 | abrotman | myren: what kind of bridge/router ? |
| 01:38.59 | myren | linksys wrt54g routers running linux |
| 01:39.05 | abrotman | are you serious ? |
| 01:39.07 | llama32 | what's the easiest/fastest/best way to back up a partition to a file from windows? [my problem does have a slight relelevance to debian] |
| 01:39.12 | myren | sure |
| 01:39.33 | myren | i'm trying to connect the networks hanging off each of them |
| 01:39.38 | idealbsd | llama32, ghost |
| 01:39.40 | xoz | myren: what do you mean? you want both to connect to internet or just between the two? |
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| 01:39.49 | mmmmm | I read an article about the linsys linux routers running asterisk, super cool idea. |
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| 01:40.17 | dbeal | abrotman, software raid gives you wicked raid options..you could raid5 a floppy with a cdrom and a usb disk. hardware raid probably would require you to have identical drives, probably from vendor-approved manufacturers. |
| 01:40.22 | myren | i've got machines hanging off each router, i'd like to be able to connect to each other |
| 01:40.31 | myren | so a machine on one router can ping a machine on the other router |
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| 01:40.56 | xoz | myren: do they share the same subnet? |
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| 01:41.07 | myren | yeah, they're both the same subnet |
| 01:41.19 | xoz | myren: the same router? |
| 01:41.23 | myren | no, two routers |
| 01:41.24 | poison | ok, finally I can start reinstalling my system, heh :s is it safe to install debian over an old currupt debian system without loosing data? |
| 01:41.25 | dbeal | abrotman, I mean hardware is usually alot more picky and restrictive about what you do with it, even though there's a potential short-term speed gain. |
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| 01:41.40 | xoz | myren: you have to configure a bridge |
| 01:41.57 | xoz | myren: or enable ip forwarding in the router |
| 01:42.01 | tehrofl | after I add a source to /etc/apt/sources do i have to run an apt command to properly add it in? i get error when cache searching |
| 01:42.06 | myren | i couldnt figure out where ip forwarding was in this silly 2.4 kernel |
| 01:42.07 | dondelelcaro | poison: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:42.29 | poison | dondelelcaro : I have a corrupt system with a broken libc |
| 01:42.29 | xoz | !search google about ip forwarding 2.4 |
| 01:42.34 | dpkg | Google says about ip forwarding 2.4 is at https://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2001-June/012183.html or http://www.canadianbusinessdirectory.ca/city-ON-1815-20.htm or http://www.caida.org/outreach/papers/2001/OSD/topologylocal.pdf or http://www.caida.org/outreach/papers/2001/OSD/topologylocal.ps.gz or http://www.qm-zh.ch/construct8/ |
| 01:42.39 | poison | dondelelcaro : and I'm trying to fix that |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | dbeal: picky /restrictive ? |
| 01:42.49 | dondelelcaro | poison: so reinstall libc |
| 01:42.59 | poison | dondelelcaro : system doesn't boot anymore |
| 01:43.02 | xoz | myren: try google. |
| 01:43.09 | toresbe | hmm, is there a place to read about the current GNOME troubles? |
| 01:43.15 | llama32 | hmm is there any backup software [for linux] that'll let me back up my entire system to CDs then (into a state where i can restore it with preferably the same software)? and i dont mean doing it all manually with tar + k3b or anything |
| 01:43.20 | dbeal | then there's the one big "benefit" to hardware raid: plug n' pray. though I admit I spent many hours setting up (rather simple) software raid, or learning how to set it up, that I could have spent doing other things like making belly button lint sculptures. |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | dbeal: but you don't have to freak out when mdadm is the wrong version and your machine won't boot :) |
| 01:43.25 | dondelelcaro | poison: that's fine. Boot off of rescue media, mount the old /; unpack a new copy of the libc6 deb into the proper location, chroot, and reinstall the libc6 deb again. |
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| 01:43.55 | abrotman | dbeal: dunno .. i've done tons of hw raid .. no massive problems(except the one windows box+USB tape drive) |
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| 01:44.01 | Boulz | hello |
| 01:44.28 | Boulz | i've a domain name.net and i'd like to point it to my dyndns account, is it possible? |
| 01:44.39 | idealbsd | tehrofl, apt-get update , just man apt-get |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | !dyndns |
| 01:44.40 | dpkg | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/ |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | cute |
| 01:44.58 | Boulz | i've an account to dyndns |
| 01:44.58 | elmn8u | hi guys, Ive go gnome and kde installed is there a way where ican switch between the 2 simultaaneously??? |
| 01:44.59 | dbeal | abrotman, it gets tricky when the filesystem starts to ask questions about the underlying raid structure. |
| 01:45.01 | poison | dondelelcaro : is this possible with knoppix? |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | dbeal: uhm .. never had that .. i just use the raid drives |
| 01:45.23 | Boulz | and i'd like domain.net >> myaccount.homelinux.org, is it possible? |
| 01:45.27 | xoz | elmn8u: run two xserver |
| 01:45.47 | Vilim | elmn8u startx, then go back to the command line and startx -- :1 |
| 01:45.47 | Quag7 | I seem to remember something called xnest |
| 01:45.50 | xoz | elmn8u: are you using kdm? gdm? |
| 01:45.55 | Quag7 | Which is another way |
| 01:46.05 | myren | i definatley dont have a /proc/net/ipv4 directory. :) |
| 01:46.07 | myren | :( |
| 01:46.11 | dondelelcaro | poison: just boot off of your debian install cd. |
| 01:46.12 | Vilim | this will give you a session in ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-f8 |
| 01:46.15 | dbeal | abrotman, filesystems like ext3 and xfs tune themselves based on raid geometry.. |
| 01:46.22 | elmn8u | at the moment itd booting into gdm but I want to use kde |
| 01:46.23 | abrotman | dbeal: if you ask them to |
| 01:46.27 | caphuso | poison: which version of libc6 are you planning on installing? |
| 01:46.28 | abrotman | dbeal: you don't have to |
| 01:46.37 | xoz | myren: seems that you forgot to compile the kernel with that support... or modprobe the necessary modules |
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| 01:46.40 | Vilim | there are other ways, xnest isn't bad but kinda sucks if you have limited screen real estate |
| 01:46.40 | poison | the one of woody |
| 01:46.42 | idealbsd | llama32, multicd or mondo |
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| 01:47.00 | xoz | myren: modprobe ip_ something |
| 01:47.03 | caphuso | poison: and that's supposed to achieve what? |
| 01:47.12 | poison | a working system :) |
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| 01:47.26 | xoz | myren: modprobe ip_nat? |
| 01:48.35 | dbeal | abrotman, yes, but, personally, i'd feel stupid if my filesystem thought it was a good idea to span two stripes for each and every block..though that's highly stupid and hopefully unlikely. |
| 01:48.44 | elmn8u | is there a way o set it up to boot into kdm?? |
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| 01:48.52 | myren | its not really nat i'm looking for though, is it? |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | dbeal: what's wrong with that ? |
| 01:49.00 | myren | i'm not translating, just forwarding |
| 01:49.09 | ctd | what command does one use to find what package a file belongs to? |
| 01:49.12 | abrotman | dbeal: it's not going to be all that fast .. but it happens :) |
| 01:49.12 | caphuso | poison: several of your installed libraries and programs already expect a libc6 version 2.3. you can now go and reinstall the 2.2 version a few dozen times, if it pleases you. but it's not going to make the problem go away |
| 01:49.20 | caphuso | ctd: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:49.51 | ctd | caphuso: ta |
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| 01:50.41 | dbeal | abrotman, well, if the block size is 4096 bytes and the stripe size is 16384 bytes..and the filesystem does it pathologically because it doesn't know any better. doesn't know better because that's where the partition starts, and there is little to no feedback from the hardware raid controller which uses a proprietary driver disk that you have to boot from a floppy, and you have to get firmware updates every 6 months or 6,000 miles o |
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| 01:51.22 | xoz | myren: no.. just enable ip forwarding... sorry.. not ip_nat |
| 01:51.27 | elmn8u | is there a command to change the resolution and refresh rate?? |
| 01:51.33 | abrotman | dbeal: i undersatnd what you mean .. but i've seen worse things happen :) |
| 01:51.37 | dbeal | oh yeah, and their raid controller is discontinued because they want you to migrate again, like buffalo. |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | !drxx elmn8u |
| 01:51.38 | dpkg | elmn8u: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 01:51.50 | abrotman | dbeal: i have all adaptec or IBM :) |
| 01:51.53 | elmn8u | thanks |
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| 01:52.18 | abrotman | oh .. except the one Dell PERC |
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| 01:52.27 | abrotman | but .. that's not a difficult controller |
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| 01:53.02 | dbeal | abrotman, I'm just really wondering what is the benefit...since I don't have one (smile). |
| 01:53.04 | vladster | rich0rd: how do you get JAP set up? |
| 01:53.11 | abrotman | dbeal: you've never used hardware raid ? |
| 01:53.18 | dbeal | no |
| 01:53.21 | Ledd | xoz: what should i write in FW? |
| 01:53.28 | xoz | myren: modprobe iptable ... echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:53.34 | Ledd | xoz: firewall zone |
| 01:53.40 | xoz | myren: modprobe ipv4? |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | dbeal: one less layer of failure ? |
| 01:53.49 | abrotman | dbeal: battery backups ? |
| 01:54.15 | xoz | Ledd: shorewall? or ipmasq? |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | speed for some controllers |
| 01:54.30 | Ledd | xoz: shorewall |
| 01:54.33 | elmn8u | sorry to be annoying again, is there a command that will tell me what video card i am running?? |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman | lspci |
| 01:54.59 | Assid | lspci |grep "video" |
| 01:55.04 | Assid | lspci |grep "agp" |
| 01:55.05 | xoz | Ledd: zone is net and loc ... that is from your local machines ... and the other is from internet |
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| 01:55.06 | Assid | or whatever |
| 01:55.13 | abrotman | you mean |
| 01:55.14 | kingsley_ | I may have found a clue as to why my box's time is jumping around. It's using a 1996 vintage time syncronization package named "xntp", which is now obsolete and has been replaced with ntpdate. |
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| 01:55.16 | abrotman | lspci | grep vga ? |
| 01:55.17 | elmn8u | thanks heaps |
| 01:55.19 | abrotman | err -i vga |
| 01:55.29 | xoz | Ledd: check /etc/shorewall/zones |
| 01:55.36 | Wyzard | kingsley_: Even better than ntpdate, use ntp |
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| 01:55.39 | abrotman | yeah .. say the wrong thing and run .. good plan |
| 01:56.01 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: Why do you prefer ntp? |
| 01:56.15 | Ledd | xoz: dont have /etc/shorewall/zones |
| 01:56.17 | xoz | Ledd: FW=fw |
| 01:56.42 | Ledd | xoz: after running shorewall start it prints Error: No Zones Defined |
| 01:56.43 | pink_ | So i've scoured google and i can't seem to fix middle button paste from firefox 1.0.4 to an xterm, any ideas? |
| 01:56.45 | xoz | Ledd: /usr/share/doc/shorewall-doc/examples |
| 01:57.13 | resiak | pink_: Are you trying to paste a lot of text from Firefox? There was abug a while back about large amounts of text breaking the clipboard in Moz... Search their bugzilla? |
| 01:57.18 | Wyzard | kingsley_: ntpdate works in "set the time and exit" mode... ntpd runs continuously, measures your clock's drift rate (whether it's slightly fast or slightly slow), and corrects for it even between updates from the server |
| 01:57.34 | pink_ | resiak: actually just a little bit... |
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| 01:57.50 | Wyzard | kingsley_: ntpd will slew your clock into correctness rather than stepping it, so there's never a big jump in time (which can confuse some programs) |
| 01:58.05 | xoz | Ledd: cp the example ... untar one of them that suits your need and copy it to /etc/shorewall/ |
| 01:58.13 | rixth | Can the new DI install a Desktop for you? Or do you still have to manually apt-get everything? |
| 01:58.24 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: That does seem desirable. Indeed my box has been plagued with big jumps in time. I found one that was thirteen hours! |
| 01:58.31 | xoz | Ledd: the example is self-explanatory |
| 01:58.36 | dbeal | abrotman, what about raid controllers that 'take over' disks by writing tons of proprietary raid management gibberish to the drives? sure, it's not gibberish if you know what it means. but let's not feel guilty if every vendor has a different language, and they'd love nothing more than to take complete ownership of your drives by controlling the data arrangement format (for performance reasons of course). mdadm, dmraid (just tosse |
| 01:58.38 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: Do you use ntpd? |
| 01:59.05 | Wyzard | kingsley_: Yes, I do |
| 01:59.31 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: Very good. |
| 01:59.34 | abrotman | dbeal: i've never seen one of those |
| 01:59.39 | dbeal | they work with your data instead of working on/munging it. |
| 01:59.43 | Wyzard | kingsley_: If your clock is wrong to begin with, you might want to step it once -- ntpd will refuse to do anything if the clock is more than 5000 sec wrong -- but after that, you should never see a huge difference like that |
| 01:59.49 | Wyzard | kingsley_: Not more than a second or two, in fact |
| 01:59.56 | Wyzard | kingsley_: "apt-get install ntp" should pull in all you need |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | dbeal: i've never seen what you're talking about |
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| 02:00.46 | abrotman | dbeal: you can invent whatever you want .. hw raid works just fine for me .. never lost a bit of data |
| 02:01.02 | Wyzard | dbeal: Are you talking about a RAID controller that uses its own proprietary filesystem? |
| 02:01.10 | Wyzard | dbeal: I've never heard of anything like that existing |
| 02:01.15 | dbeal | abrotman, though I'm sure there's always some mystical data arrangement going on when you have a complicated raid setup, and for example you lose a volume and so on and so forth... |
| 02:01.20 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: OK, I'm downloading ntp and its dependencies now... |
| 02:01.50 | abrotman | dbeal: i lose a drive .. the hot spare kicks in |
| 02:02.10 | Wyzard | dbeal: RAID, whether hardware or software, just maps logical sectors to (usually multiple) physical sectors |
| 02:02.12 | exobyte | are 10.255.x.x valid IP addresses (except 255.555, 0.0 |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | dbeal: maybe you should actually use hw raid before you bash it .. i think your idea of it is completely messed up .. and you've been listening to a whackjob |
| 02:02.57 | abrotman | dbeal: it seems you have no real understanding of how it works |
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| 02:03.07 | pipeline | dbeal has used too many 20$ cards |
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| 02:03.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:03.29 | abrotman | i prefer the 500$ cards :) |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | or higher |
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| 02:04.10 | abrotman | the cheapest i've bought was a 2410SA SATA controller from adaptec |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | only 4 ports though |
| 02:04.24 | abrotman | but it was .. $300 |
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| 02:04.48 | dbeal | abrotman, I'm not bashing, really. just alot of rhetorical questions. |
| 02:04.48 | |XO3| | anyone here have experience doing site-to-site vpn using (netscreen(juniper), cisco, sonicwall, and watchguard) |
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| 02:04.58 | abrotman | dbeal: but what you're saying makes no sense :) |
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| 02:05.03 | Supaplex | !o_O |
| 02:05.04 | dpkg | supaplex, why are you lO_oking at me like that? |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | dbeal: msot of it anyways |
| 02:05.14 | exobyte | I can make a netmask something like 255.7.0.0, right? |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | you can |
| 02:05.23 | jum | my sata drives don't get mountet on system start up. I have to do it manualy. I also get always the info that debian cannot check the drives. I have via VT8237 and debian with kernel 2.6.8 |
| 02:05.44 | exobyte | abrotman: cool. thx |
| 02:05.51 | abrotman | i think you can do .7 |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | oh wait .. |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | no you can't |
| 02:05.58 | Wyzard | exobyte: 255.7.0.0 isn't valid |
| 02:06.03 | exobyte | Wyzard: uhh |
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| 02:06.05 | abrotman | well .. you could .. but it would be really broekn |
| 02:06.17 | dbeal | jum, i think you need libata |
| 02:06.17 | Wyzard | exobyte: Written in binary, a subnet mask must be a sequence of ones followed by a sequence of zeros |
| 02:06.24 | abrotman | exobyte: don't try it . it's possible .. but damn . don't do it |
| 02:06.30 | exobyte | ohhh- oops |
| 02:06.31 | Wyzard | exobyte: 255.7.0.0 is 11111111000001110000000000000000 |
| 02:06.34 | exobyte | yeah |
| 02:06.54 | abrotman | exobyte: tell us what you're really trying to do :) |
| 02:06.55 | exobyte | I think I meant more like 255.1110000.... |
| 02:07.04 | jum | dbeal: what is that?? |
| 02:07.09 | rixth | I guess it's not wise to use Etch yet? :) Also, how do I work this damn jigdo thing? |
| 02:07.13 | Wyzard | exobyte: 255.224.0.0, and yes, that's valid |
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| 02:07.28 | abrotman | yeah .. that's uhm .. 255.192.0.0 .. i think |
| 02:07.29 | resiak | rixth: You'd be insane to use Sid, but Etch seems okay. |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | er .. my math sucks |
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| 02:07.33 | dbeal | jum, er, it maps serial ata drives to scsi volumes. |
| 02:07.37 | exobyte | Wyzard: ok.. oh, and that's what ALL are even except 255 |
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| 02:07.52 | K_Dallas | Good evening folks! |
| 02:07.54 | rixth | Also, is the stable Sarge distro TWO dvds? |
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| 02:07.55 | Wyzard | abrotman: So does mine; I just used a calculator :-) |
| 02:07.57 | dbeal | jum, type dmesg -s128000 | grep libata |
| 02:08.02 | iLLf8d | anyone know approx how long ssh-keygen takes on a 486/75? |
| 02:08.06 | abrotman | exobyte: google for "netmask" .. the first few links are good |
| 02:08.07 | Wyzard | rixth: yes, but you don't actually need to download them |
| 02:08.16 | iLLf8d | more then 30 min? |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | iLLf8d: probably about 30 minutes |
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| 02:08.25 | iLLf8d | abrotman: cool |
| 02:08.28 | exobyte | abrotman: does the name douglas comer mean anything to you? |
| 02:08.28 | crylyx | hi, can somebody help me out with a teamspeak/microphone problem? |
| 02:08.30 | abrotman | cool? |
| 02:08.33 | jum | dbeal: they are ampped as sda1 and sda2, I have the feeling the system wants to check and the drivers aren't loaded |
| 02:08.35 | abrotman | exobyte: should it >? |
| 02:08.36 | rixth | Aye! You think I'd be okay with just the first? |
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| 02:08.50 | exobyte | abrotman: he wrote a really important book on networking |
| 02:08.59 | dbeal | jum, make sure libata is compiled into the kernel, not as a module. |
| 02:09.02 | exobyte | abrotman: he was a prof I had.. not in networking |
| 02:09.03 | abrotman | exobyte: and ? .. seems it didn't help you :) |
| 02:09.06 | abrotman | exobyte: oh ok |
| 02:09.11 | Wyzard | rixth: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, you can just download the ~50MB businesscard CD, or the ~110MB netinst |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | exobyte: i had a prof who wrote a book too .. book sucks :) |
| 02:09.18 | Wyzard | rixth: The installer will download the rest as-needed |
| 02:09.23 | K_Dallas | Q: Why is that I cannot add myself to sudoers file, it is 0400 and when i give write permission (as root) and I add the users in it, after a while it goes back to its original form, no user but root! Appreciate any help, thanks |
| 02:09.29 | exobyte | abrotman: not reading the books, I wouldn't know |
| 02:09.34 | rixth | Wyzard, I can only download at 32kb/s |
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| 02:09.48 | dbeal | jum, though I could be .. wrong to assume that it's ever an option to compile it as a module. |
| 02:10.01 | Wyzard | rixth: Unless you'll be downloading the DVDs over a faster link, you're definitely better off doing a netinst |
| 02:10.29 | Wyzard | rixth: The full DVD images contain thousands of packages that you will probably never use in your life, so it's a waste to download them |
| 02:10.31 | dbeal | jum, I don't even have a libata module anywhere..I must have compiled it in long ago. |
| 02:10.40 | exobyte | abrotman: netmasks are two way, right? If an IP isn't included, it can neither access nor be accessed by a system not of the same netmask |
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| 02:10.44 | K_Dallas | netinstall on an average of 60kb/s took me 3 hours to install a fairly complete system |
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| 02:11.07 | abrotman | exobyte: they have routers for that |
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| 02:11.11 | Wyzard | exobyte: You and I aren't on the same subnet, but our packets still get to each other |
| 02:11.13 | dbeal | jum, find /lib/modules -name '*ata*' to see if it's a module... |
| 02:11.16 | rixth | Debian needs and Ubuntu style disk, one CD that can install a Desktop (sorry to sat that :) :( ) |
| 02:11.31 | dondelelcaro | rixth: the first disk will do that. |
| 02:11.35 | jum | dbeal: it tells me that libata version 1.02 is loaded. how can I check if its compiled right |
| 02:11.39 | _daniel_ | RinzeWind, net install |
| 02:11.41 | exobyte | Wyzard: so would a ping make it? |
| 02:11.49 | _daniel_ | sori *rixth |
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| 02:11.51 | Wyzard | rixth: Debian doesn't install a desktop by default because many of the systems it's used on are servers |
| 02:11.54 | dbeal | jum, type lsmod | grep ata..it should NOT be in the lsmod list. |
| 02:11.55 | dondelelcaro | rixth: packages are ordered on the disks in order of popularity. There's nothing magical about it. |
| 02:12.08 | Wyzard | exobyte: If routing is set up between the two subnets, sure |
| 02:12.15 | rixth | dondelelcaro, the last time I tried Sarge was in feb, I have to have the first 4 CDs to get Gnome installed =/ |
| 02:12.20 | _daniel_ | rixth, plus not everyone likes gnome or kde |
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| 02:12.39 | nevyn | was ld screwed in sid at somepoint in the last 3 weeks? |
| 02:12.42 | exobyte | abrotman: I'm trying to segment my home network a little.. wireless won't explicitly have internet access (they'd need to change their ip for that, but vpn is also going to guard it) |
| 02:12.47 | kingsley_ | Why would "dpkg --purge" run a postinst script? |
| 02:12.51 | rixth | True, Then maybe hav an option "Woudl you like to install X, X or nothing" |
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| 02:13.10 | _daniel_ | rixth, is very annoyng downloading 656 MB to later apt-get other window manager/x server |
| 02:13.16 | abrotman | exobyte: sounds like fun |
| 02:13.19 | dbeal | jum, once you find out if it's compiled as a module, you have the easy task of recompiling your kernel. better yet just apt-get a newer kernel package. don't ask me which--I compiled mine. |
| 02:13.30 | exobyte | abrotman: screw you!! it sucks |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | exobyte: erm .. ok |
| 02:13.49 | exobyte | abrotman: I'm sick of this shit- wrong major |
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| 02:13.59 | Wyzard | exobyte: I think you should learn a bit more about TCP/IP before you try something like that |
| 02:14.03 | _daniel_ | Jum or do as everyone an compile it without modules, making a kernel static, and compile modules needed inside the kernel :) |
| 02:14.15 | exobyte | Wyzard: yup, but I'm going to crash it anyway |
| 02:14.17 | rixth | So can I get the first disc the get the rest from the net? |
| 02:14.24 | dbeal | jum, or look into using modules with an initial ramdisk at boot (though good luck customizing this in debian). |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | exobyte: history major ? |
| 02:14.27 | Wyzard | rixth: You can install X and a desktop environment using tasksel, which is run as part of the installation, IIRC |
| 02:14.28 | jum | dbeal: lsmod | grep ata tells me: sata_via libata scsi_mod |
| 02:14.34 | rixth | I cna get 100mb in about an hour on average. |
| 02:14.39 | exobyte | abrotman: minor, maybe, but I doubt it |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:14.49 | _daniel_ | rixth, or better download just net-install and get whatever from the net |
| 02:14.49 | Wyzard | rixth: and you can always just "apt-get install x-window-system gnome-desktop-environment" later |
| 02:14.56 | _daniel_ | rixth is just 160 MB :) |
| 02:14.59 | dbeal | jum, then libata is running as a kernel module |
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| 02:15.06 | rixth | Wyzard, how long has that meta package been around? |
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| 02:15.17 | crylyx | whats the difference between a smp kernel image and without smp ? |
| 02:15.18 | exobyte | abrotman: ok- 3 classes from math major, 1 from minor, 3 from electrical engineering minor, 3 from english, 2 from history |
| 02:15.24 | Wyzard | rixth: For quite awhile |
| 02:15.27 | jum | dbeal: so what can I do |
| 02:15.29 | rixth | crylyx, smp has support for multiple cpus |
| 02:15.31 | exobyte | abrotman: but cs is sucking right now |
| 02:15.40 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:15.45 | exobyte | abrotman: I survived the hard classes, I just hate it |
| 02:15.48 | crylyx | rixth: thanks |
| 02:15.50 | chops | K_Dallas: Run |
| 02:15.51 | _daniel_ | crylyx, smp is when you have hyperthreading or more than 1 CPU :) |
| 02:15.59 | dbeal | jum, logic dictates that you must have access to a disk drive before you can load the module it's stored on in order to access the drive in question. |
| 02:16.05 | Wyzard | rixth: Actually, I'd use "x-window-system-core", since "x-window-system" pulls in TWM and XDM and a few other things I don't need |
| 02:16.06 | rixth | Wyzard, and that does all the mcie stuff and whatnot too? |
| 02:16.07 | chops | K_Dallas: Run 'visudo' rather than editing sudoers directly. |
| 02:16.14 | Wyzard | rixth: mcie? |
| 02:16.17 | rixth | mice* |
| 02:16.20 | K_Dallas | chops: thanks a lot |
| 02:16.25 | exobyte | abrotman: I decided when nothing on the list of jobs we get for possible internships looks good, something's wrong |
| 02:16.35 | Wyzard | rixth: You mean mice? |
| 02:16.37 | exobyte | abrotman: sorry- you don't need to hear my life story |
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| 02:16.57 | Wyzard | rixth: x-window-system pulls in xserver-xfree86, whose configuration takes you through all the X setup stuff, including choosing a mouse device |
| 02:16.57 | rixth | When I installed Sarge, it's was like "apt-get install gpm gpm-config" blah blah, almost everything had to be installed manually |
| 02:17.14 | rixth | Wyzard, last thing, Sarge or Etch? |
| 02:17.18 | Analyser | how i do a initrd image from a kernel which i have compiled? |
| 02:17.18 | dbeal | jum, I don't know of a debian kernel with libata compiled in..if there is one I suggest you install it, if I am assessing your problem correctly (want to mount sata drives as root). |
| 02:17.20 | Wyzard | rixth: GPM is for using the mouse in the console; that has nothing to do with X |
| 02:17.29 | crylyx | nobody using teamspeak on debian? |
| 02:17.33 | abrotman | exobyte: it's ok .. just make sure you like what you do before you graduate .. otherwize you end up like Wyzard and lving with your parents because you took a dead pig to work and put it on your boss' desk |
| 02:17.34 | Wyzard | rixth: Those metapackages exist in sarge, and I'm pretty sure they existed in woody too |
| 02:17.39 | rixth | Wyzard, oh okay I was just doing what thins handbook told me |
| 02:17.40 | K_Dallas | chops, it opens VI right? I have all forgot about VI :( any other way to edit it, pico, emacs or something? |
| 02:17.41 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:17.41 | jum | dbeal: i understand that. i am sitting here now since 8 hours trying to get this to work (i am not to firm with linux). but I want to get it up and running. but I just don't find anything helpful |
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| 02:18.09 | jum | dbeal: i don't need it as root |
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| 02:18.25 | jim | rixth: etch is going to get less and less sargelike and more and more unstable, until some sort of critical mass is reached, and it looks complete and more or less stable... |
| 02:18.38 | elmn8u | after doing a dpkg-reconfigure server-xfree86, how do test the refresh rate and resolution ?? |
| 02:18.38 | dbeal | jum, then I am afraid I don't know what is your problem. :-( |
| 02:18.50 | jim | at which point you'd have the situation we were in just before sarge froze |
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| 02:19.12 | rixth | jim, I take it that means Sarge it is? :) |
| 02:19.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: squeal piggy!! |
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| 02:19.26 | chops | K_Dallas: EDITOR=/usr/bin/emacs visudo |
| 02:19.28 | softrat | <anybody>How do you tell which release you have installed? |
| 02:19.44 | jum | dbeal: at start up the system stops. I have to press ctrl d so it continues. Later on I have to mount the two drieves manualy. it is sarge |
| 02:19.46 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc6 or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:19.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:19.47 | K_Dallas | chops, exactly, i was reading the man and noticed that vi is not hardwired in it :) thanks again |
| 02:19.51 | Wyzard | I find it interesting that even though Debian had GNOME 2.10 held up "artificially" because of the sarge freeze, so unstable isn't getting it until now, Gentoo (home of the bleeding-edge people, I'd think) also just recently got GNOME 2.10. |
| 02:19.52 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 02:19.53 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 02:19.53 | dbeal | I just take consolation in the fact that there might be someone, somewhere out there who can gain from my general advice that fails to address any specific problem but can inspire insight into other solutions possibly not directly related. |
| 02:20.07 | jim | rixth: depends, you want something that's going to be rock solid and -unchanging-? the latest for that is sarge |
| 02:20.15 | elmn8u | after doing a dpkg-reconfigure server-xfree86, how do test the refresh rate and resolution ?? |
| 02:20.26 | abrotman | xdpyinfo |
| 02:20.35 | chealer | elmn8u: restart your X server |
| 02:20.51 | elmn8u | chealer: how?? |
| 02:20.54 | jim | rixth: unchanging... NO new versions ever. NO new features ever. at least as distributed officially |
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| 02:21.04 | chealer | elmn8u: are you using a display manager? |
| 02:21.11 | jum | dbeal: it would be fine if I would have to press this "ctrl d". the mountig i can do with a script |
| 02:21.13 | rixth | jim, so new packages are not distributed? |
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| 02:21.20 | elmn8u | chealer: yes gdm |
| 02:21.23 | softrat | Goodie! I got '3.1' installed. What's its name? |
| 02:21.29 | jim | rixth: there won't be new packages in sarge. |
| 02:21.33 | dbeal | jum, if you can convert your specific issue into a more general and abstract one, then I might be able to help (heck, anyone might be able to help). but if you just say, "my screen glitches with alot of fuzzy upside down latin/cyrillic symbols.." |
| 02:21.34 | poison | hi, apt tells me that debconfi isn't installed |
| 02:21.36 | chealer | elmn8u: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 02:21.40 | poison | *debconf |
| 02:21.43 | Wyzard | softrat: 3.1 is sarge |
| 02:21.46 | poison | how can I install this? |
| 02:21.47 | elmn8u | chealer: thanks |
| 02:21.52 | jim | not as distributed officially |
| 02:22.11 | jum | dbeal: i will try :-) |
| 02:22.11 | softrat | <Wyzard>How do I upgrade to 'etch'? |
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| 02:22.14 | jim | however,,, you can build your own stuff, and that is what the toolchain is so well maintained for. |
| 02:22.18 | rixth | jim would I be crazy to use Etch? |
| 02:22.23 | chealer | poison: so, you just found a good candidate for installation |
| 02:22.28 | jim | are you a new user to linux? |
| 02:22.32 | Wyzard | softrat: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and be aware that you're moving away from a stable release |
| 02:22.34 | dbeal | jum, like, what does it say right before it rudely asks you to hit Ctrl-D? |
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| 02:23.00 | erjklrj | is non-us.debian.org down? |
| 02:23.05 | softrat | <Wyzard>My 'sources.list' already say 'testing'...... |
| 02:23.10 | jim | if so, I'd say you should stick with something stable, because you don't yet have the experience necessary to determine, locate and fix problems |
| 02:23.10 | jum | dbeal: i am just starting it |
| 02:23.12 | K_Dallas | erjklrj, it is gone |
| 02:23.13 | erjklrj | i can't retrieve anything from it with apt-get |
| 02:23.17 | Wyzard | softrat: Then update && upgrade |
| 02:23.18 | jum | dbeal: hold on |
| 02:23.23 | erjklrj | K_Dallas so what should my apt-get look like then? |
| 02:23.33 | jim | but NOTE, you can -always- upgrade any time you want |
| 02:23.36 | K_Dallas | forget all about nonn-us and keep the rest |
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| 02:23.36 | softrat | <Wyzard>Been there, did that! |
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| 02:23.45 | jim | so it's not like you're couped up if you run stable... |
| 02:24.09 | chealer | erjklrj: does your IRC client have problems with /topic ? |
| 02:24.13 | Wyzard | softrat: OK, then you're running testing... I guess they haven't updated /etc/issue yet |
| 02:24.15 | softrat | <Wyzard>Seems like not all the mirrors are up to speed yet. |
| 02:24.34 | jim | softrat: pick one close |
| 02:24.35 | Wyzard | softrat: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:24.56 | rixth | jim, I've been using it for ten months or so, I know my way around but nothing too technical |
| 02:25.06 | softrat | <Wyzard>/etc/debian_version = "3.1" |
| 02:25.14 | jim | ok, so what do you want to do? |
| 02:25.16 | chealer | dpkg: bonus is a word that looks like non-us |
| 02:25.16 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 02:25.26 | jum | dbeal: sda1 no such device or address while trying to open /dev/sda1 fsck failed. Please repair manually (I formated and partitionen because of that about 15 times) |
| 02:25.28 | Wyzard | softrat: Mine says "testing/unstable", though I'm running sid |
| 02:25.30 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: Could it be that "ntp-simple" is usually the proper package to install? |
| 02:25.31 | jim | softrat: so you're running sarge |
| 02:25.45 | chealer | dpkg: is thinking that during an exam a sign of mental debillness? |
| 02:25.50 | Wyzard | kingsley_: Yes, you want ntp-simple |
| 02:25.51 | jim | kingsley_: you also need ntpdate |
| 02:25.57 | softrat | <jim & Wyzard>I guess I'll wait until the mirrors settle down. |
| 02:26.09 | jim | which ntp-simple might cause to grab |
| 02:26.17 | poison | hmmmm this is very strange: I'm trying to reinstall debian and dbootstrap fails on "chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc" |
| 02:26.30 | jim | softrat: stable mirrors are probably pulsed once per day |
| 02:26.32 | Wyzard | jim: No, ntpdate is unrelated and not necessary |
| 02:26.42 | Wyzard | jim: The reason he's installing ntp is because it's better than ntpdate |
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| 02:27.01 | kingsley_ | jim: I'm curious why ntpdate is also necessary. |
| 02:27.03 | initech | ntpdate is the suck :) |
| 02:27.06 | Wyzard | kingsley_: It isn't |
| 02:27.11 | Wyzard | kingsley_: I don't have it installed |
| 02:27.12 | softrat | <anyone>New Question: Does Linux build the '/proc' file system on the fly? |
| 02:27.19 | jim | Wyzard: without ntpdate, how will he get his clock close enough (within 1024 secs) to the correct time? |
| 02:27.26 | Wyzard | softrat: It's not "built"... it's a virtual filesystem, provided by the kernel |
| 02:27.33 | jim | ntp doesn't do that |
| 02:27.36 | initech | jim: ntpd -g I believe |
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| 02:28.22 | rixth | What do you do when apt-get segfaults? |
| 02:28.33 | tcsetattr | cry? |
| 02:28.35 | initech | rixth: that's a mess there |
| 02:28.59 | softrat | <Wyzard>So when I copy *everything* for backup, I don't need to copy '/proc'. Do I need to create a 'hook' for it on the backup disk? |
| 02:29.00 | Wyzard | jim: ntpd -g -q |
| 02:29.15 | Wyzard | softrat: Just make an empty directory |
| 02:29.31 | jim | oic |
| 02:29.32 | softrat | <Wyzard>Yeah: that's the 'hook'. |
| 02:29.38 | rixth | It only does it if it's an install, apt-get update doesn't kill it, but apt-get install does. |
| 02:29.47 | Wyzard | softrat: It's more commonly called a mountpoint |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: don't call her that |
| 02:29.57 | jim | used to need ntpdate for that... so that makes it obsolete, I guess |
| 02:30.05 | Wyzard | jim: Pretty much |
| 02:30.12 | softrat | <Wyzard>Thank you. I couldn't remember the right buzzword. |
| 02:30.21 | abrotman | buzzword ? |
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| 02:30.27 | glick | howdy dowdy |
| 02:30.44 | softrat | buzzword --- jargon --- local lingo --- |
| 02:30.55 | sime_ | can I dpkg-reconfigure something but purge the configuration files initially |
| 02:31.06 | abrotman | mountpoint is a buzzword ? |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | sime_: just use -plow |
| 02:31.20 | jim | abrotman: why not? |
| 02:31.23 | abrotman | sime_: would you would you want to purge it ? |
| 02:31.30 | abrotman | jim: because it's not ? |
| 02:31.35 | softrat | Sure, if you are not a Linux/Unix weenie. |
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| 02:31.47 | jim | oh, I see... how does it fail to match the definition? |
| 02:31.51 | abrotman | i'm a weenie ? |
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| 02:31.57 | abrotman | !dict buzzword |
| 02:31.58 | dbeal | jum, sounds like you're trying to mount the drive before the libata module is loaded..are the other disks on your machine sata? |
| 02:31.58 | dpkg | could not find definition for buzzword |
| 02:32.10 | poison | hey, I have a question: I have an ext3 filesystem and when I boot I get an error that the superblock could nog be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem, and I have a root shell now |
| 02:32.14 | poison | what should I do? |
| 02:32.16 | nvz | hmm |
| 02:32.32 | softrat | Try _The Dictionary of American Slang_ for 'buzzword'. |
| 02:32.36 | Wyzard | poison: Run fsck on it |
| 02:32.47 | abrotman | softrat: no? |
| 02:32.51 | Wyzard | poison: The filesystem that's failing probably isn't your root filesystem, btw, or you'd get a kernel panic rather than a shell |
| 02:32.51 | nvz | this tea is warm, I swear I just grabbed it out of the refridgerator moments ago |
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| 02:33.07 | abrotman | nvz: fridge broke .. fix |
| 02:33.11 | nvz | ah, maybe not.. I grabbed that powerade over there |
| 02:33.14 | nvz | and forgot |
| 02:33.18 | poison | fsck.ext3: Filesystem revision too high wile trying to open /dev/sda1 |
| 02:33.23 | softrat | Quelle fromage?!!? |
| 02:33.34 | abrotman | softrat: you farted ? |
| 02:33.38 | poison | he suggests to run e2fsck -b 8139 /dev/sda1 |
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| 02:33.41 | poison | is this safe? |
| 02:33.41 | dbeal | jum, though I'm not sure..since when you mount root, it should make available all the modules that are stored on the root drive. then afterwards you can mount the libata drives. this is my thinking. if you're trying to mount ...well..see, you can mount it inside the "Ctrl-D" emergency shell, right? |
| 02:33.44 | softrat | C'est un canard! |
| 02:33.53 | sime_ | abrotman, getting dpkg errors, and errors on gnome applications: Fontconfig error: "conf.d", line 1: no element found |
| 02:33.54 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 02:33.54 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | sime_: ok |
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| 02:34.42 | poison | because that's ext2 and not ext3 |
| 02:35.03 | poison | please advise |
| 02:35.06 | sime_ | abrotman, I don't really understand what the error is telling me, does it by any chance make sense to you |
| 02:35.07 | sime_ | ? |
| 02:35.08 | chealer | softrat looked more french |
| 02:35.09 | dbeal | jum, though, obviously, since you can repartition this drive at some point, then you have good write access to it at some point (but when? in some other os/kernel, or in the os/kernel you're having trouble with?) |
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| 02:35.41 | abrotman | sime_: sounds like there's an error in some fontconfig file :) |
| 02:35.49 | abrotman | sime_: did you check the bts ? |
| 02:35.52 | moveover | are there libdvdcss debs about somewhere? |
| 02:36.06 | sime_ | abrotman, yeah nothing, not one 'conf.d' report |
| 02:36.10 | nvz | dpkg, info libdvdcss |
| 02:36.44 | Wyzard | moveover: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:36.48 | nvz | moveover: /msg dpkg libdvdcss |
| 02:36.50 | moveover | oh thx |
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| 02:38.43 | jim | Definitions of BUZZWORD on the Web: a technical term, consisting of a word or phrase, that has special meaning to a small group of people. "mount point" would certainly qualify |
| 02:39.06 | jim | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&q=define:BUZZWORD |
| 02:39.09 | zaq | Why does my system remember commands in X terminal, but not in console mode? (I'd really like it to remember startx /usr/bin/icewm) |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 02:39.15 | abrotman | i disagree .. but ok |
| 02:39.25 | jim | it's not a technical term? |
| 02:39.45 | jim | its meaning is not limited to a small group of people? |
| 02:39.55 | nvz | zaq: umm, what? |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | yeah .. like every person who knows unix/linux/bsd :) |
| 02:40.06 | dbeal | mount point doesn't have special meaning |
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| 02:40.39 | caphuso | buzzword n : stock phrases that have become nonsense through endless repetition [syn: {cant}] |
| 02:40.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | zaq, open a new console, and see there - each shell window is a new termianl |
| 02:40.56 | dbeal | it's plain english..it's the point at which you're going to put something on top of or get on top of (mount) something else. |
| 02:41.02 | shizz | does anyone know a thing or two about xfce4 uninstallation? |
| 02:41.10 | jim | sounds like sex to me |
| 02:41.26 | Wyzard | shizz: Just remove the package(s) |
| 02:41.30 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: As you suggested, I've removed a daily cron job that ran xntp, and replaced it with ntpd. |
| 02:41.31 | dbeal | though, Windows NT calls them "junctions" :0) |
| 02:41.34 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: I noticed that /etc/ntp.conf only defines one reference clock: pool.ntp.org. Do you happen to know if its sufficient? |
| 02:41.36 | shizz | Wyzard, can you explain how? |
| 02:41.43 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: Also, would you care to suggest a way for me to compare my box's time to that of a reference clock, without updating mine? |
| 02:41.49 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 02:41.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 02:42.05 | Wyzard | kingsley_: pool.ntp.org is a round-robin DNS which connects you to some server in the world |
| 02:42.06 | zaq | nvz; when I hit arrow up after starting X it gives me the previous commands. Prior to starting X some commands e.g. startx are not shown. |
| 02:42.07 | shizz | Wyzard, i've apt-get remove xfce4 -- but it still appears in the DE drop down menu.. it said it removed 17mb. |
| 02:42.20 | Wyzard | kingsley_: If you don't have any other specific timeserver to use, the pool is reasonable |
| 02:42.23 | jim | maybe you're thinking of "buzzword" as some sort of negative connotation :) |
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| 02:42.34 | jim | hence you deny :) |
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| 02:42.38 | mborohovski | hey guys |
| 02:42.45 | caphuso | kingsley_: no |
| 02:42.53 | shizz | Wyzard, and I've installed 4.2 improperly. I had xfce4 from apt-get, but noticed a newer one then d/l'd that and installed over the already installed xfce4. |
| 02:42.59 | caphuso | kingsley_: ntpdate is supposed to run once at boot time, before ntpd gets started |
| 02:43.05 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: OK, thanks for the reality check on the pool. I like getting real world, practical advice. |
| 02:43.06 | Wyzard | kingsley_: If you duplicate the line a few times, it'll connect to several different random timeservers, and use them together to get a better estimate of the true time |
| 02:43.12 | nvz | zaq: that would be the bash history, and you could not see the startx you type in tty1 inside Xterm because you have not yet logged out of tty1 for the history to be saved |
| 02:43.21 | Wyzard | shizz: Ah, you've installed non-packaged stuff... that's messy |
| 02:43.30 | jim | caphuso: right, but evidently ntpd -g can do that now |
| 02:43.36 | mborohovski | hey guys |
| 02:43.38 | mborohovski | so get this |
| 02:43.39 | Wyzard | caphuso: There's no need for it though |
| 02:43.48 | mborohovski | sarge doesnt recognize my hard disk on my vaio s480 |
| 02:43.51 | mborohovski | this, in effect, sucks |
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| 02:43.59 | mborohovski | and its a fujitsu |
| 02:44.00 | shizz | Wyzard, :( |
| 02:44.01 | jim | mborohovski: sata? |
| 02:44.06 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: Duplicate which line? server pool.ntp.org in /etc/ntp.conf? |
| 02:44.06 | mborohovski | jim: yep |
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| 02:44.15 | rixth | Has Etch got a netinst yet? |
| 02:44.16 | mborohovski | i think anyway |
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| 02:44.24 | jim | that would be why, in part |
| 02:44.32 | mborohovski | so what would i do about it? |
| 02:44.37 | Wyzard | mborohovski: Does it have a weird IDE controller or something? |
| 02:44.45 | Wyzard | kingsley_: yeah |
| 02:44.57 | nvz | rixth: why. you could use the sarge installer and just install etch instead |
| 02:45.01 | jim | mborohovski: ok, you have to go back and make -sure-... it's difficult to help with just a guess |
| 02:45.07 | mborohovski | not really. ubuntu and knoppix both reognize it |
| 02:45.10 | rixth | nvz, I could? |
| 02:45.11 | mborohovski | alright, hold on |
| 02:45.16 | zaq | nvz; thanks, now how might I change that, or maybe alias my common commands like "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade," which I likie to run before starting X.? |
| 02:45.17 | jim | once you know what the problem is, then ask :) |
| 02:45.31 | nvz | rixth: I wont tell |
| 02:45.34 | mborohovski | im 98% sure its sata, but let me doublecheck |
| 02:45.36 | mborohovski | heh |
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| 02:46.14 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: Do you happen to know a way to compare a box's time to that of a reference clock, without updating? |
| 02:46.14 | zaq | nvz; maybe I could edit the bash history file? |
| 02:46.23 | nvz | zaq: help alias |
| 02:46.40 | zaq | nvz; ok thnks |
| 02:46.42 | mborohovski | i must say though, this lappy is amazing. |
| 02:46.44 | jim | actually, once you know, you can go from there to research the situation.... once you're stuck -and- have specific and informative results to pass along, then you could ask |
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| 02:46.52 | dondelelcaro | I WILL BE REMOVING 38 LINES OF BANS SHORTLY. /ignore #debian MODES; is your friend. |
| 02:46.53 | mborohovski | i <3 it immensely, i just dont like the windows on it lol |
| 02:46.54 | Wyzard | kingsley_: Not directly, but if you run ntpq (ntpd's client program) and type "peers", you'll see the current timeservers in use and the offset from each |
| 02:47.34 | jim | ntp query? |
| 02:47.37 | Wyzard | kingsley_: Since ntpd adjusts the time gradually rather than setting it immediately, that's close to what you want |
| 02:47.45 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: fire away. :) |
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| 02:48.29 | rixth | =| |
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| 02:49.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | wtf? |
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| 02:49.12 | mborohovski | jim: ultra ata |
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| 02:49.16 | nvz | I feel sick. I think its from not eating much today, then going to that party and trying to drink beer |
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| 02:49.17 | jim | that would seem to be more than 38 lines :P |
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| 02:49.19 | rr72 | did it start when i joined? |
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| 02:49.34 | rr72 | could i have started it? |
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| 02:49.37 | jim | no |
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| 02:49.40 | jim | it's not you |
| 02:49.40 | caphuso | rr72: it's all your fault, admit it! |
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| 02:49.50 | rr72 | i was banned |
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| 02:49.50 | mborohovski | jim: ultra ata |
| 02:49.51 | Wyzard | rr72: hehe, no, you didn't start the unban-flood :-) |
| 02:49.53 | nvz | rr72: /ignore #debian MODES |
| 02:49.55 | caphuso | rr72: (just joking :) |
| 02:49.55 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:50.08 | jim | mborohovski: how are you trying to install |
| 02:50.13 | rr72 | i was banned |
| 02:50.14 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: OK, I've run ntpq and typed "peers", I see a column titled "offset". Do you happen to know if "offset"s are reported in seconds? |
| 02:50.14 | mborohovski | using the first cd? |
| 02:50.24 | Wyzard | kingsley_: I'm pretty sure it's milliseconds |
| 02:50.26 | poison | pfffff |
| 02:50.27 | jim | dondelelcaro: 38? or 380? |
| 02:50.33 | nvz | heh |
| 02:50.37 | seldon | rr72: Sure it was you. What else could it have been? Damn, when will people ever stop being so inconsiderate as to join a channel on IRC. Sheesh. |
| 02:50.38 | poison | hard disk f*cked |
| 02:50.38 | dondelelcaro | jim: 37 actually... (36*4+3) |
| 02:50.46 | poison | stupid fsck |
| 02:50.50 | jim | *4? |
| 02:50.54 | Supaplex | will dlt 15/30gb scsi drives work with 10/20g dlt tapes? |
| 02:50.56 | jim | hmm |
| 02:50.56 | rr72 | hters still more |
| 02:51.04 | nvz | dondelelcaro: where the hell did you learn to count? |
| 02:51.08 | mborohovski | jim: just using the first cd to install |
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| 02:51.19 | nvz | dpkg, 36*4+3 |
| 02:51.20 | dpkg | 147 |
| 02:51.23 | jim | mborohovski: maybe you need to load a module |
| 02:51.24 | mborohovski | upon trying to partition |
| 02:51.24 | dondelelcaro | 37 lines. 36*4+3 bans. Does it make sense now? |
| 02:51.27 | mborohovski | it cant find the drive |
| 02:51.35 | Supaplex | well, dondelelcaro warned us. :) |
| 02:51.42 | jim | yeah he did |
| 02:51.43 | Supaplex | hehehehe |
| 02:51.57 | Supaplex | so he was off by the power of 10.... |
| 02:52.08 | nvz | I am not as think as you may drunk I am, dondelelcaro |
| 02:52.11 | rixth | Well, if I want to netinst Etch? How do I go about it? I can't find an etch netinst disk |
| 02:52.13 | jim | approximately, yes :P |
| 02:52.14 | rr72 | did i come at a split? |
| 02:52.27 | mborohovski | jim: such as? |
| 02:52.32 | jim | rixth: netinst sarge then upgrade |
| 02:52.44 | jim | mborohovski: find out what controller you have |
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| 02:53.10 | jim | know your hardware :P |
| 02:53.12 | jim | :) |
| 02:53.40 | rixth | jim, okay, will do. |
| 02:53.54 | nvz | rixth: all a netinstall is, is a install without the packages, so you install then fetch etch packages |
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| 02:54.29 | jim | rixth: remember that UPgrading is smooth and works well... downgrading was found to be too much work, and so is not at all supported |
| 02:54.29 | nvz | fetch etch.. thats funny, I don't care who you are |
| 02:54.41 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: You've been very helpful. |
| 02:55.01 | Wyzard | kingsley_: Glad to help :-) |
| 02:55.09 | jim | retch! fetch etch! bletch |
| 02:55.16 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:55.31 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: I'm not done yet... Wyzard, Wyzard, brave, courageous and bold! Long live his fame, long live his glory, and long may his story be told! |
| 02:55.35 | jim | or I'll play my gretch! |
| 02:55.47 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:55.56 | Supaplex | jim: it's just a sketch, but it's a start. </punny> |
| 02:55.59 | gullyfoyle | i'm new to debian and just did a netinstall. is there a way to rerun my X configuration? i'm getting errors and can't startx |
| 02:56.13 | Wyzard | gullyfoyle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:56.19 | rixth | jim, nvz, so I'd get the Sarge netinst, then change the source.lsit to etch? |
| 02:56.24 | mborohovski | jim: Intel 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controller |
| 02:56.30 | gullyfoyle | Wyzard : thanks |
| 02:56.32 | rixth | Isn't etch xorg? |
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| 02:56.34 | jim | rixth: yeah |
| 02:56.48 | Wyzard | rixth: xorg hasn't gone in yet, but it will be eventually |
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| 02:57.03 | jim | rixth: I don't believe xorg is even started yet, or maybe it is... ask branden |
| 02:57.08 | rixth | Oh okay, good to know. When hat time comes, the upgrade will eb easy? |
| 02:57.15 | jim | yes |
| 02:57.33 | jim | mborohovski: there ya go! |
| 02:57.34 | Wyzard | rixth: Do you mean when etch is released, or when xorg goes into unstable? |
| 02:57.37 | jim | you did it! |
| 02:57.38 | Supaplex | what happens when we run out of codenames? |
| 02:57.53 | jim | Supaplex: we'll use Supaplex! |
| 02:57.54 | Nethox | Supaplex: toy story 3 |
| 02:58.06 | mborohovski | jim: eh? |
| 02:58.07 | Supaplex | jim: I'm all for that. :) |
| 02:58.08 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: ntpq reports a delay and offset of 52 and -106, respectively. Does that check out with your experience? |
| 02:58.17 | nvz | xorg isnt packaged for debian at all yet |
| 02:58.20 | Wyzard | kingsley_: Sounds reasonable |
| 02:58.31 | Wyzard | kingsley_: My laptop's nearly a second off, actually |
| 02:58.36 | Supaplex | and murphy, and infotron and zap and sniksnack and electron and stuff :) |
| 02:58.41 | rixth | Wyzard, when xorg gets into etch. |
| 02:58.59 | rixth | Ubuntu uses xorg, neve rhad any problems |
| 02:58.59 | jim | mborohovski: try this... put that thing you just told me which is a full description of your hardware into google, put it in quotes, then put linux outside the quotes, and hit enter |
| 02:59.10 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: I'll log ntpq -p for a while and see if it stabilizes the clock better that a daily cron job with xntp did. |
| 02:59.23 | jim | mborohovski: if this actually works, it will demonstrate google's value :) |
| 02:59.28 | nvz | someone should make supaplex for debian |
| 02:59.33 | Wyzard | rixth: xorg itself will work fine once installed, but transitions of large groups of packages sometimes have temporary breakage during the time that they're half-complete |
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| 02:59.40 | nvz | they've since made several windows versions |
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| 02:59.48 | Wyzard | rixth: unstable (sid) might suffer from that, but testing (etch) probably won't |
| 02:59.53 | jim | is it supaplex yet? |
| 02:59.57 | nq | en, Supaplex for the codename , a bit too long, I think |
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| 03:00.11 | jim | sup! |
| 03:00.19 | narker | I've deleted the /var/lib/dpkg/available file |
| 03:00.22 | narker | how can I get it again ? |
| 03:00.29 | narker | is there some way to get it ? |
| 03:00.33 | jim | narker: update? |
| 03:00.36 | narker | nop |
| 03:00.38 | narker | I did it |
| 03:00.39 | Wyzard | I propose that the first Debian release to incorporate IPv7 support should be code-named "lain" :-) |
| 03:00.40 | narker | with no success |
| 03:00.56 | nvz | O think if debian had anything at all to do with anime, I would just use gentoo |
| 03:01.03 | jim | ipv7?? |
| 03:01.05 | jim | what's that |
| 03:01.10 | jum | dbeal: sorry, I was trying. You asked me if I can mount it in the "ctrl D shell". This ctrl-d is to continue without correcting the problem. |
| 03:01.25 | Wyzard | jim: A reference to an anime series called Lain... there is no actual IPv7 yet |
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| 03:01.34 | jim | if 0 think that, we must see what 1 think! |
| 03:01.34 | mborohovski | jim: http://hulllug.principalhosting.net/archive/index.php/t-49535.html. do you think that would work? |
| 03:01.47 | jum | dbeal: if the system is up I can mount the drives |
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| 03:01.50 | Wyzard | nvz: bah... Debian 8.6 ("kenshin") |
| 03:01.54 | mborohovski | erf |
| 03:02.42 | narker | any idea? |
| 03:02.42 | Wyzard | Evidently no one here has seen Lain though... oh well |
| 03:02.55 | narker | dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 03:03.00 | jim | mborohovski: got a desktop running debian by any chance? |
| 03:03.04 | narker | I need it in order to apt-get upgrade |
| 03:03.08 | Wyzard | narker: dselect update |
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| 03:03.48 | mborohovski | jim: not a working one at the moment (video card is borked) |
| 03:03.51 | narker | Wyzard thank you |
| 03:03.52 | narker | it worked |
| 03:03.57 | mborohovski | unfortunately |
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| 03:03.59 | witless | blah |
| 03:04.21 | witless | my throat is dry. |
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| 03:04.42 | nvz | cotton mouth? |
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| 03:04.50 | nvz | sucks to be you |
| 03:04.58 | jim | probably what you actually need is a debian installer with 2.6.11 install |
| 03:05.09 | witless | unmuted-in-#debian-after-a-couple-weeks-mouth |
| 03:05.31 | karsten | So what limits the rate at which files can be stated? |
| 03:05.37 | karsten | s/stated/statted/ |
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| 03:05.44 | mborohovski | jim: and where could i grab one? |
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| 03:05.53 | jim | not sure |
| 03:05.58 | Wyzard | karsten: Probably the speed of your disk |
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| 03:05.59 | karsten | I'm running a query on ~107k files, and find I get a throughput of about 10/s. |
| 03:06.17 | Wyzard | karsten: and the efficiency of the filesystem |
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| 03:06.35 | karsten | Wyzard: Slow disk. 4200RMP, ~10MB/s. |
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| 03:06.51 | karsten | Wyzard: ...and reiserfs. Which should be relatively efficient. |
| 03:06.53 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: you shall die. I mean what's up man. |
| 03:06.57 | nvz | fool can't spell You'll |
| 03:07.04 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: You also shall die. |
| 03:07.11 | rixth | One more thing re Debian, does it support installation on SATA drives? |
| 03:07.12 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Happens to the best of us. And the worst. |
| 03:07.17 | TwistedEmotions | Aye.. Tiss true. |
| 03:07.37 | nvz | !yinzersmite Lord-Cereburus |
| 03:07.44 | nvz | not only would you be a mile away, but you'd have his shoes too. |
| 03:08.38 | jim | nvz: joke stealer :P |
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| 03:08.54 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here seen Cinderella Man? |
| 03:09.10 | TwistedEmotions | Or Cinderella does MEN? |
| 03:09.11 | jim | sounds... effeminate... |
| 03:09.19 | mborohovski | jim: here's the thing. if i could just get some semblance of debian installed, ill gladly recompile the kernel (which ill be doing anyway to add support for stuff...i just need it to install the base system) |
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| 03:09.27 | TwistedEmotions | jim: the second isnt... |
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| 03:09.48 | TwistedEmotions | it's a movie about a boxer... looks good. |
| 03:10.03 | karsten | actually, that bit skews stats a bit. I'm actually doing a find | xargs grep | sort |
| 03:10.25 | rixth | TwistedEmotions, oh NZ is so proud of Russel Crowe and his violent ways... |
| 03:10.37 | jim | mborohovski: but the thing is the installer needs access to the thing to put debian onto, which is the uata controller/drive |
| 03:10.42 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: NZ? Who is that? |
| 03:10.44 | caphuso | the new find in sid finally allows "find -exec grep ... +"! |
| 03:10.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol TE |
| 03:11.00 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: Gladiator was a good movie ;) |
| 03:11.01 | karsten | caphuso: ?? |
| 03:11.11 | jim | caphuso: why didn't it before? |
| 03:11.14 | karsten | caphuso: Didn't it always? |
| 03:11.19 | caphuso | jim: because it was implemented |
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| 03:11.30 | rixth | TwistedEmotions, New Zealand |
| 03:11.32 | trave11er | mborohovski: does install load ata_piix module for you? |
| 03:11.33 | jim | what's the + mean? |
| 03:11.36 | trave11er | installer |
| 03:11.38 | rr72 | voice |
| 03:11.45 | karsten | caphuso: What specific syntax is that? And what jim said. |
| 03:11.51 | mborohovski | jim: mmhmm...and am i being retarded in that i still dont know how the hell to make it recognize it? where can i get a debian install with the 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 03:11.58 | mborohovski | trave11er: yes. |
| 03:12.00 | caphuso | First working version of -exec ...+ |
| 03:12.05 | caphuso | 2005-01-15 James Youngman <jay@gnu.org> |
| 03:12.06 | trave11er | mborohovski: and still no luck? |
| 03:12.16 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: Ahhh... well... they now have something to be proud of... I mean what exactly does New Zealand have to be so happy about ? |
| 03:12.22 | caphuso | karsten: find -exec grep pattern {} + |
| 03:12.25 | rixth | I've installed vnc4server, how do I start it? |
| 03:12.26 | caphuso | (for example) |
| 03:12.31 | jim | mborohovski: actually... I take that back maybe... I think you just need to get the installer to boot the 2.6 kernel |
| 03:12.35 | rixth | TwistedEmotions, that we don't have a idiotic leader. |
| 03:12.42 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: VERY true. |
| 03:12.53 | karsten | caphuso: ...and what's the + do? |
| 03:12.54 | rixth | TwistedEmotions, that we perform (for our size) extremly well on the sporting stage |
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| 03:13.10 | rixth | TwistedEmotions, that the director and that Lord of the Rings was shot here |
| 03:13.12 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: Not a sports fan ;) |
| 03:13.16 | rixth | TwistedEmotions, many things :) |
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| 03:13.24 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: thats not a good thing. |
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| 03:13.30 | rixth | TwistedEmotions, why nit |
| 03:13.32 | rixth | not* |
| 03:13.37 | jim | mborohovski: your problem doesn't quite match the problems that were tossed around before (sata drive, sol'n involves booting 2.6.11 for certain sata controllers) |
| 03:13.40 | caphuso | karsten: with find 4.2.20 as in recent sid: compare "find ~ -maxdepth 1 -exec echo {} \;" with "find ~ -maxdepth 1 echo {} +" |
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| 03:14.08 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: Lord of the Ring stars a 4' 16 year old kid who hasn't gone through puberty yet... nuff said. |
| 03:14.08 | caphuso | err, "find ~ -maxdepth 1 -exec echo {} +" |
| 03:14.11 | karsten | caphuso: Compare on what basis? |
| 03:14.15 | caphuso | karsten: the output |
| 03:14.22 | jim | mborohovski: see if you can find out how to boot the installer into 2.6 (which will be 2.6.8) |
| 03:14.43 | mborohovski | i have |
| 03:14.47 | mborohovski | i was using the 2.6 kernel |
| 03:14.53 | mborohovski | that is, through linux26 |
| 03:14.54 | rixth | TwistedEmotions, I just know I'd rather be here that in that hell hole of a country that call the US. |
| 03:14.57 | karsten | caphuso: Could you post to paster or something? |
| 03:15.08 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: I agree with you... |
| 03:15.21 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: I just dont like Lord of the Rings ;) |
| 03:15.22 | jim | mborohovski: ok... then we have to find out what the driver name is for your disk controller |
| 03:15.27 | mborohovski | jim: not to mention that it hangs when trying to start pcmcia, but i just gave it the option to not start it |
| 03:15.32 | rixth | TwistedEmotions, to be honest, I didn't either that much, |
| 03:15.32 | mborohovski | and it worked fine. |
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| 03:15.54 | trave11er | mborohovski: so you started the shell and checked that ata_piix is indeed loaded? |
| 03:15.54 | myren | is there any way to tell the kernel when loading not to load a certain built in module? |
| 03:16.06 | rr72 | how old is kernal 2.2? |
| 03:16.08 | myren | one of the ethernet modules is fscking with me |
| 03:16.14 | jim | mborohovski: good idea... could be, that pcmcia will make machine freeze if wrong irq is probed |
| 03:16.21 | nvz | myren: built-in module, is an oxymoron |
| 03:16.22 | jim | for me, long long ago, it was irq 10 |
| 03:16.32 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: hahah the whole movie I hoped frotto would fall off the mountain to a grueling death... or that the wizard would turn evil and eat him. |
| 03:16.36 | Nurbs | are there official sarge (or newer) netboot images anywhere? |
| 03:16.44 | jim | monolithic modular oxymoron! |
| 03:16.46 | TwistedEmotions | rixth: the wizard was dope ;) |
| 03:16.46 | nvz | myren: if its built-in its not a module, and if its a module, its not built in |
| 03:16.49 | myren | nvz: what is the proper term for a piece of code buildable as a module but instead integrated into the kernel then |
| 03:16.53 | mborohovski | trave11er: lsmod says so, so im assuming so, heh |
| 03:16.58 | mosty | nurbs, of course |
| 03:17.01 | mborohovski | trave11er: thats a yes :p |
| 03:17.09 | myren | nvz: ok, so whats the convenient notation for a "built-in" |
| 03:17.14 | trave11er | mborohovski: well, dunno then =) |
| 03:17.15 | mborohovski | jim: yeah, i figured |
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| 03:17.38 | nvz | myren: if its built in to the kernel, its part of the kernel.. modules are loadable code outside the kernel |
| 03:17.58 | jim | what's the disk controller technical description again? the one you googled? |
| 03:18.06 | Guerin | rr72: older than you want. |
| 03:18.15 | Nurbs | mosty: where? :\ I have searched debian.org, looked under getting debian, on some mirrors and in google... :-| I guess I'm doing something wrong :) |
| 03:18.16 | rr72 | here we go again |
| 03:18.25 | caphuso | karsten: caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/find.txt |
| 03:18.41 | myren | nvz: none the less the kernel goes through similar initialization of built in modules, as much as you hate that word modules |
| 03:19.21 | mosty | nurbs: on the debian front page, go to the link "network install: |
| 03:19.26 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here use adblocker from firefox and is willing to send me their block list? I lost all my settings ;( |
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| 03:19.34 | myren | so, how do i keep the kernel from loading my ethernet driver at startup? |
| 03:19.37 | myren | its breaking my syste |
| 03:19.47 | TwistedEmotions | Perferablly someone with a decent amount of blocks... |
| 03:20.11 | trave11er | myren: try looking at the bootprompt howto? |
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| 03:20.21 | Nurbs | mosty: I want netboot, not netinst :) I want to start the installation through PXE |
| 03:20.37 | timt | anyone know of a goodwebsite with alot of gnome themes?? |
| 03:20.51 | rr72 | *google* *cough* |
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| 03:20.54 | Guerin | timt: art.gnome.org? |
| 03:20.55 | nvz | I dont hate that word modules, you are just using it wrong. In place of statically linked code |
| 03:21.05 | timt | thanks. |
| 03:21.06 | mborohovski | Intel 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controller |
| 03:21.23 | trave11er | Nurbs: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 03:21.27 | jim | trave11er: can you help with a debian-installer issue for a moment... |
| 03:21.41 | trave11er | jim: i can try... |
| 03:22.03 | jim | mborohovski has an "Intel 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controller" |
| 03:22.10 | Nurbs | trave11er: ah, thanks! how does one reach that link from the debian front page? :) |
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| 03:22.25 | jim | trave11er: is this controller supported by debian-installer images? |
| 03:22.27 | caphuso | karsten: some timing statistics... find . -maxdepth 1 -exec echo {} \; >| /dev/null 0.06s user 0.15s system 72% cpu 0.288 total |
| 03:22.38 | mosty | nurbs: oh, pxe eh? go to a debian mirror, dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 03:22.43 | witless | "SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE" <-- does this suggest i should refrain from apt-get updating for awhile? |
| 03:22.45 | jim | also is there a 2.6.11 image |
| 03:22.47 | caphuso | karsten: find . -maxdepth 1 -exec echo {} + >| /dev/null 0.00s user 0.00s system 94% cpu 0.003 total |
| 03:22.56 | jim | witless: maybe |
| 03:23.03 | jim | likely |
| 03:23.08 | witless | ok |
| 03:23.09 | spowers | consider tracking etch |
| 03:23.10 | Nurbs | mosty: main/installer-i386 is a good hint, too, thanks ;) |
| 03:23.13 | trave11er | Nurbs: i don't know, i must have gotten it from some announcement |
| 03:23.24 | caphuso | witless: no, now is an especially good time to update, to help finding and reporting bugs |
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| 03:23.48 | trave11er | jim: it looks like it's supposed to be supported by ata_piix driver |
| 03:23.52 | trave11er | according to google |
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| 03:23.59 | Nurbs | trave11er: I think it _should_ be easily accessible through "Getting Debian" *shrug* I always have to search ages for that :) |
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| 03:24.17 | mwilson | witless: It means unstable is the same as it always is. If you can't deal with it, you shouldn't be running unstable. |
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| 03:24.32 | jim | witless: well, there is that :) but you should put it on a unused machine, marked as experimental and placed in a plastic internet-free bubble :) |
| 03:25.04 | mwilson | I will never understand why the clueless are always so surprised when unstable breaks. |
| 03:25.10 | exobyte | in my dhcp config, I have this: subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.128.0.0. I think the 10.0.0.0 is wrong |
| 03:25.10 | jim | mwilson: ultimately that's true... but at this moment unstable is getting more so than it was in recent months |
| 03:25.42 | jim | trave11er: would that be in 2.6.8? |
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| 03:26.14 | nvz | mwilson: they think unstable is just were we hide all the new cool stuff, and you know how idiots love new stuff.. |
| 03:26.52 | Guerin | bah, everyone knows experimental is where all the kool stuff livez |
| 03:26.55 | nvz | they are used to thinking newer is better |
| 03:27.06 | Wyzard | nvz: That's why I originally switched to unstable (almost five years ago), and it led to me learning a lot more about Debian and Linux in general than I would have if I'd stuck with stable releases the whole time... |
| 03:27.33 | mwilson | Wyzard: I have zero sympathy for them. |
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| 03:27.52 | jim | s/for them// |
| 03:27.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'm not surprised... you think of "the clueless" as an inferior social class |
| 03:28.04 | nvz | heh |
| 03:28.11 | mwilson | Wyzard: Yep. |
| 03:28.33 | mwilson | Wyzard: In general, no matter the field, people deserve what happens to them. |
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| 03:28.38 | jim | when in truth they may be more socially adept, have more chicks and actually go -out- on friday... |
| 03:28.39 | trave11er | jim: it's hard to tell... |
| 03:29.06 | mwilson | jim: Friday is just another day of the week. |
| 03:29.09 | jim | trave11er: ok, one more question... how would one go about loading this module? |
| 03:29.22 | gullyfoyle | Wyzard: thanks i got X workin. i had to disable the kernel framebuffer thing. |
| 03:29.25 | trave11er | jim: you can start a shell from the installer |
| 03:29.32 | mborohovski | jim: ive done that |
| 03:29.34 | JoshH | the main reason unstable is breaking for these clueless fuckwits is because most of them are using dist-upgrade instead of upgrade |
| 03:29.34 | jim | mwilson: just another day of the week when everone lets loose and PARTYs! |
| 03:29.35 | trave11er | jim: but mborohovski says that it is loaded |
| 03:29.37 | mborohovski | ive modprobed it |
| 03:29.42 | mborohovski | and it was loaded |
| 03:29.49 | mwilson | jim: Maybe you do... some of us have to work on Saturdays. |
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| 03:29.57 | trave11er | mborohovski: was it loaded before you modprobed? |
| 03:30.04 | Rocket | good evening everyone |
| 03:30.06 | mborohovski | trave11er: nope |
| 03:30.19 | trave11er | mborohovski: ok, you modprobed it, then what? |
| 03:30.27 | jim | mwilson: I have ____ sympathy for that :) |
| 03:30.27 | mborohovski | it loaded the module successfully |
| 03:30.30 | trave11er | mborohovski: did you rerun the hardware detection stop? |
| 03:30.30 | mborohovski | or so it seemd |
| 03:30.36 | trave11er | err, step |
| 03:30.37 | Rocket | where I can find rules (directory and file) of iptables Debian 3.1 ? |
| 03:30.42 | mborohovski | step*? |
| 03:30.43 | mborohovski | yes |
| 03:30.51 | mborohovski | and it still did not find the hard disk |
| 03:30.57 | mborohovski | at which point i scratched my head and came here |
| 03:30.57 | mborohovski | heh |
| 03:31.07 | mwilson | Actually, this is so great... so much Gnomecrap is disappearing off my box without my having to do anything more than accept an upgrade. |
| 03:31.08 | trave11er | mborohovski: partman said "no partitionable media" or something? |
| 03:31.19 | mborohovski | partman? |
| 03:31.26 | mborohovski | it gave a similar message to that, yes |
| 03:31.31 | jim | the partitioner for the installer |
| 03:31.32 | trave11er | mborohovski: the partitioning part of installer |
| 03:31.33 | mborohovski | though i dont know what partman is, heh |
| 03:31.35 | mborohovski | ahh |
| 03:31.35 | mborohovski | yes |
| 03:31.48 | jim | oh I get it |
| 03:31.57 | jim | it's supposed to rhyme with cartman |
| 03:32.02 | mborohovski | haha |
| 03:32.09 | trave11er | mborohovski: ok, can you have a look whether it logs any messages in the dmesg after you modprobe it? |
| 03:32.27 | mborohovski | give me a few minutes, i have to go grab my lappy from the living room |
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| 03:32.38 | jim | living lappy... |
| 03:32.53 | jim | 21, curvy, brunette... lappy! |
| 03:33.07 | Guerin | !tranquilise jim |
| 03:33.33 | Rocket | I need change something in script default debian 3.1 about port 22 (it is open here) |
| 03:33.42 | jim | hah :P I drink rocket fuel in the morning... you can't stun me like that :P |
| 03:33.46 | dondelelcaro | Rocket: uh... what? |
| 03:33.51 | mosty | rocket: that's the ssh server |
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| 03:33.55 | Guerin | Rocket: you want port 22 shut, uninstall ssh |
| 03:33.58 | caphuso | simply hitting someone on the head with that amount of dope would probably be lethal |
| 03:34.20 | Rocket | but exist others port open |
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| 03:34.30 | mosty | rocket: eh? |
| 03:34.31 | Guerin | Rocket: uninstall or stop the services which listen on them |
| 03:34.42 | Guerin | Rocket: don't just firewall them off. |
| 03:34.59 | Rocket | port 113 |
| 03:35.05 | jim | Rocket: port 22 is ssh inbound port |
| 03:35.09 | shizz | how do I create a shortcut to my cdrom on my desktop? |
| 03:35.09 | Rocket | ok |
| 03:35.15 | jim | (by default) |
| 03:35.30 | Rocket | how to stop permanently these services ? |
| 03:35.37 | jim | remove ssh |
| 03:35.41 | mwilson | Hm, does this new stupidity in the ssh packages mean that the openssh-server package now ignores "UsePAM No" in the sshd configuration? |
| 03:35.44 | Rocket | ok |
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| 03:36.01 | mwilson | Or does Colin just feel he needs to be excessively confusing? |
| 03:36.19 | jim | check with him |
| 03:36.21 | Rocket | http://scan.sygate.com/trojanscan.html |
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| 03:37.03 | mwilson | I swear, it's impossible for some people to write sinple, straightforward changelogs. |
| 03:37.20 | sixten | where can i get xirssi, there is no package for it in debian |
| 03:37.33 | Guerin | sixten: hahaha |
| 03:37.35 | mwilson | sixten: xirssi would have to exist, first. |
| 03:37.46 | Rocket | but I can make temporary .. drop .. via iptables ? |
| 03:37.49 | mosty | sixteen: try to xirssi website |
| 03:37.55 | Rocket | some kind of script ? |
| 03:37.56 | dbeal | mwilson: You refer to a package maintainer by first name? |
| 03:37.57 | mosty | er, try the |
| 03:37.58 | Guerin | sixten: you can try to resurrect it, if you like. |
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| 03:38.11 | sixten | aha doesnt it exist anymore :( |
| 03:38.12 | Wyzard | mwilson: My understanding was that openssh-server will still honor that setting, but going forward it's preferable to just uninstall the server if you don't want it running |
| 03:38.12 | mwilson | dbeal: Is there a reason not to? |
| 03:38.26 | Rocket | port 111 is open also .. hell |
| 03:38.28 | dbeal | mwilson: one would be not knowing it in the first place. |
| 03:38.28 | sixten | but i thought there was a irssi for X :S |
| 03:38.39 | mwilson | Wyzard: What does wanting or not wanting the server running have to do with whether I want it using PAM or not? |
| 03:38.47 | Guerin | sixten: there was one being developed, but it was shit and nobody cared about it, so it died |
| 03:38.49 | Rocket | but may be in new future .. i can use |
| 03:39.03 | Rocket | new = soon |
| 03:39.07 | Guerin | Rocket: edit inetd.conf |
| 03:39.13 | Wyzard | mwilson: Oh, oops, sorry -- I misread your statement and was thinking of the other setting, the one that would prevent sshd from running :-) |
| 03:39.13 | Rocket | sorry my bad english |
| 03:39.13 | jim | Rocket: ssh from the outside is probably a good thing :) |
| 03:39.15 | Rocket | let me see |
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| 03:39.42 | dbeal | Though I don't expect it's too far off to think that a debian package maintainer is famous in their own right. |
| 03:39.50 | sixten | ahh then can anyone name a good graphical irc client |
| 03:40.02 | Rocket | my port 667 is open also .. unknown port in debian 3.1 .. strange |
| 03:40.03 | Guerin | sixten: no such thing. just use xterm -e irssi |
| 03:40.07 | Rocket | ops |
| 03:40.09 | Rocket | 647 |
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| 03:40.20 | dbeal | They certainly are responsible for a great deal, especially on critical packages like ssh. |
| 03:40.28 | Guerin | Rocket: read /etc/services, use netstat -plaunt to see what's listening on it |
| 03:40.30 | bucky | sixten, xchat is the best |
| 03:40.54 | mwilson | bucky: Uh, direct telnet to the IRC server is better than using xchat. |
| 03:41.18 | bucky | i love xchat |
| 03:41.27 | Guerin | but xchat IS better than all the other gui clients, and telnet isn't a gui client... |
| 03:41.49 | eeyore- | Guerin: IRC is inherently textual .... |
| 03:42.03 | Guerin | eeyore-: yeah. Like mail. Why do people think they need a gui for it? |
| 03:42.21 | Silicon | lol |
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| 03:42.24 | eeyore- | Guerin: there's mutt. then there's pine. |
| 03:42.35 | rr72 | eeyore-~ and maple |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | !MOO |
| 03:42.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
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| 03:42.53 | eeyore- | Guerin: and for text editing, there are pico, nano, ed, ex, vi*, *emacs |
| 03:42.55 | dbeal | s/(best|better than all)/good in its own right (perhaps)/g |
| 03:42.58 | Guerin | eeyore-: i'm just looking at elmo now |
| 03:43.00 | mosty | guerin: because some operations you do with mail are faster in a gui? |
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| 03:43.07 | Guerin | mosty: name one. |
| 03:43.08 | rr72 | whats moo? |
| 03:43.14 | dbeal | it just told you |
| 03:43.15 | rr72 | !bark |
| 03:43.45 | mosty | guerin, sorting mail into mailboxes for one, i find faster in thunderbird than in mutt |
| 03:44.03 | Guerin | mosty: faster than procmail? |
| 03:44.06 | dbeal | moo is the sound cows make right before they fill your pail with milk--or shit on your new air jordans |
| 03:44.07 | Guerin | wow, you ARE good |
| 03:44.19 | dondelelcaro | if you have to sort mail manually, you're doing something wrong. |
| 03:44.29 | mwilson | Sorting mail is faster doing it manually? Since when? |
| 03:44.35 | mosty | guerin: procmail can't sort my mail the way i want. it doesn't know what mail relates to me (i'm on a lot of interoffice mailing lists) |
| 03:44.57 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not like ttttt or T (pattern) apply-action is that slow, either.) |
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| 03:45.10 | mosty | when procmail can figure out if i need to respond to a mail, then sure, that would be fast |
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| 03:45.58 | dondelelcaro | mosty: if you can specify how you sort the mail at all, then procmail can sort it. If it's a NLP problem, then no... but then your mailing lists suck. |
| 03:46.20 | dondelelcaro | mosty: and even if it is an NLP problem, tapping t and applying is rather fast. |
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| 03:46.34 | mosty | dondelelcaro, also i have a "todo" mailbox, which holds mail that i need to do something about, then reply to (or whatever). procmail can't do that for me |
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| 03:47.37 | dbeal | psst..mail sorters have been known to become aggressive and attack the system, so i've heard. |
| 03:47.54 | dondelelcaro | mosty: that's what the postponed mailbox is for... you reply, and save it to finish later. |
| 03:48.02 | dbeal | (you give them too much personality and they might take over!!) |
| 03:48.35 | dbeal | what's an NLP problem? |
| 03:48.51 | dondelelcaro | dbeal: natural language processing. It's one of a cadre of hard ai problems. |
| 03:49.12 | mosty | dondelelcaro, but i have multiple todo folders, since i'm on multiple commitees and have to work on a specific group at specific times |
| 03:49.13 | dbeal | dondelecaro, ah..shudder. |
| 03:49.16 | caphuso | i nicked a book about NLP in prolog from the university library |
| 03:49.29 | mwilson | Cute... netatalk is already hosed |
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| 03:49.50 | caphuso | it's from back when they still thought they had a chance at doing it :) |
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| 03:50.10 | dbeal | mosty, why don't you just have all your mail sent to bigshot@...com |
| 03:50.15 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: well, the more processing power we have, the more likely it is we'll be able to do it. |
| 03:50.38 | mosty | dbeal, eh? |
| 03:50.39 | astronut | hey don, got a minute to answer a question? |
| 03:50.42 | dondelelcaro | astronut: sure |
| 03:50.52 | dbeal | mosty, jk..sorry |
| 03:50.55 | astronut | dondelelcaro: PM ok? don't want to clutter chan |
| 03:51.00 | dondelelcaro | astronut: sure |
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| 03:51.12 | eeyore- | caphuso: the infamous "30 years away" progress |
| 03:51.37 | caphuso | i don't think i'm going to see a fully working NLP system in my life time |
| 03:51.40 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: i'm not sure it's up to how much processing we have ... |
| 03:52.31 | mosty | caphuso, maybe if people started talking in prolog :) |
| 03:52.50 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: well, I'd guess that's a big portion of it... considering how much of the brain is dedicated to language |
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| 03:54.20 | dbeal | Wernicke's area for language & Broca's area for speech. That's only two areas, according to my textbook. |
| 03:55.00 | Guerin | how about semantics? |
| 03:55.01 | caphuso | i'm going to abandon all technology and start growing crops in the middle of australia if we ever get computers that work like the human brain |
| 03:55.03 | mwilson | netatalk bug filed |
| 03:55.03 | dbeal | What the rest is for, you can use your imagination. Or maybe it's for imagination. |
| 03:55.05 | mborohovski | shit |
| 03:55.08 | mborohovski | iso is fux0red |
| 03:55.25 | mborohovski | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso is the right iso for the base install right? |
| 03:55.48 | Guerin | mosty: that's cd1. You can install off it, or use a netinstaller. |
| 03:55.58 | abrotman | mborohovski: netinst |
| 03:56.19 | mborohovski | abrotman: i dont want to do a netinstall |
| 03:56.21 | abrotman | mborohovski: i'm sorry .. yes .. that's CD1 |
| 03:56.39 | mborohovski | alright |
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| 03:56.48 | dbeal | IMHO most people just repeat common patterns, and scarcely ever really understand language even though they feign to use it. |
| 03:56.49 | abrotman | mborohovski: what's wrong with it? |
| 03:57.25 | mosty | dbeal, i never really understood english until i started learning a second language |
| 03:57.40 | Nigel | hmmm, i've got some problems here, setting up LDAP for userauth, not working, ANYONE, can login with no password, really messed up |
| 03:57.46 | Guerin | i still don't really understand english, and I teach it for a living. |
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| 03:58.05 | Nigel | i think something is messed up in the PAM config, but apparently it's not |
| 03:58.08 | mosty | i don't really understand english yet either, but i use it anyway |
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| 03:58.31 | Nigel | ssh'ing into the computer gives: You don't exist, go away! |
| 03:58.31 | dbeal | i don't really understand anything..but i use it anyway. |
| 03:58.53 | Guerin | mosty: s/english/(debian|sex|cars|drugs|...)/ |
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| 03:59.02 | Nigel | (I find that one rather amusing tbh) |
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| 03:59.29 | abrotman | #ldap |
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| 04:00.25 | eeyore- | IHMO msot poelpe jsut rpaeet cmmoon ptatrnes, and srcalecy eevr raelly udrentsnad lnaaugge eevn thgouh tehy fiegn to use it. |
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| 04:00.39 | eeyore- | did that make sense? |
| 04:00.45 | Guerin | eeyore-: you know the email that went around using that trick? |
| 04:01.05 | eeyore- | Guerin: it's fascinating ... makes you think about how we really process language |
| 04:01.06 | hejux_ | i can't login as root |
| 04:01.09 | black13 | how do i install the debian (ubuntu) syslog-ng package |
| 04:01.12 | Nigel | abrotman: yeah, but before that: slapd, ldap-utils, libnss-ldap, libpam-ldap, nscd - any missing? |
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| 04:01.14 | rr72 | omfg |
| 04:01.18 | Guerin | eeyore-: I showed it to my korean boss, who speaks and reads pretty decent english, though not fluent, and he understood it perfectly, too. |
| 04:01.23 | Guerin | hejux_: good. |
| 04:01.30 | mosty | black13: apt-get install syslog-ng (?) |
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| 04:01.42 | Guerin | black13: debian or ubunut? |
| 04:01.45 | black13 | mostly, not happening |
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| 04:01.58 | abrotman | Nigel: vi ? |
| 04:02.07 | black13 | ubuntu |
| 04:02.13 | Guerin | @ubuntu |
| 04:02.15 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 04:02.15 | dpkg | it has been said that ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 04:02.17 | Guerin | #even |
| 04:02.23 | hejux_ | good? |
| 04:02.23 | abrotman | black13: not this channel |
| 04:02.24 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: that's not all that surprising, though... no one really completely understands how their brain works, or even for that matter, how something as simple as a single cell does what it does. |
| 04:02.26 | mosty | black13, works find on every debian machine i've ever used |
| 04:02.26 | eeyore- | caphuso: how would something programmed in prolog or whatever the "in" language of the day would make head or tail out that something like the above 'jumbled' sentence? |
| 04:02.36 | caphuso | eeyore-: it wouldn't |
| 04:02.37 | Guerin | hejux_: You mean log into X as root? |
| 04:02.42 | Nigel | abrotman: what has vi got to do with ldap? |
| 04:02.45 | hejux_ | i can't login as root! |
| 04:02.45 | hejux_ | yes |
| 04:02.48 | hejux_ | into x |
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| 04:02.56 | Guerin | hejux_: that's a feature, not a bug. |
| 04:02.58 | black13 | sorry to bother the group |
| 04:02.59 | abrotman | hejux_: are you still mucking with knoppix ? |
| 04:03.09 | hejux_ | no it is debian |
| 04:03.11 | abrotman | Nigel: sorry .. it's midnight .. bad sense of humor |
| 04:03.12 | caphuso | hence my doubts that NLP is solveable with currently imagineable technology |
| 04:03.12 | Guerin | hejux_: there is no reason to log into x as root, ever. |
| 04:03.16 | eeyore- | caphuso: yet the brain must obviously be taking some shortcut, maybe weighted average + probability to "fix" the words |
| 04:03.16 | abrotman | hejux_: prove it :) |
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| 04:03.22 | hejux_ | i cannt login debian as root |
| 04:03.27 | rr72 | duh |
| 04:03.30 | rr72 | not kde |
| 04:03.32 | hejux_ | what can i do ? |
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| 04:03.34 | abrotman | hejux_: there's a reason for that |
| 04:03.38 | JGL | Can someone help me set up a shared windows and debian swap partition? I set up a FAT partition, got it mounted and get deb to swapon to /mnt/swap/pagefile.sys, now how do I add this to which startup (and shutdown) script? |
| 04:03.40 | abrotman | hejux_: you're not supposed to |
| 04:03.43 | Guerin | hejux_: log in as a normal user. |
| 04:03.55 | hejux_ | yes i can login as hejux |
| 04:04.01 | eeyore- | hejux_: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, allowrootlogin |
| 04:04.01 | Guerin | hejux_: good. Do so. |
| 04:04.02 | abrotman | wow |
| 04:04.03 | hejux_ | but can't as root |
| 04:04.07 | Nigel | abrotman: hmmm, yeah, well atm i've got one system that i can login as anything to, and another system because i'm delaying the changes till the other one works, can't login to anything but root |
| 04:04.10 | Guerin | christ |
| 04:04.11 | abrotman | hejux_: because it's a bad idae |
| 04:04.11 | hejux_ | ok |
| 04:04.12 | abrotman | idea |
| 04:04.19 | hejux_ | ok trying |
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| 04:04.25 | Guerin | hejux_: you fucking idiot, le me make this clear: DO NOT LOG INTO X AS ROOT |
| 04:04.26 | Guerin | EVER |
| 04:04.27 | abrotman | Nigel: oh . that's cute |
| 04:04.31 | Guerin | FOR ANY REASON |
| 04:04.37 | Guerin | hejux_: capiche? |
| 04:04.44 | caphuso | eeyore-: i think it has to do with patterns... like a sheet of paper is recognized by filtering it through various pattern recognizers, like "rectangular" -> "white" -> ... |
| 04:04.45 | abrotman | Guerin: i don't think english is his first language |
| 04:04.47 | abrotman | or second |
| 04:04.56 | hejux_ | i want to login x with root ,whats wrong ? |
| 04:05.00 | Nigel | i'll check the guys in ldap though |
| 04:05.02 | abrotman | because .. only idiots do that |
| 04:05.07 | mwilson | hejux_: Nothing. |
| 04:05.18 | abrotman | hejux_: it's a security risk .. it's like running windows |
| 04:05.20 | hejux_ | :P |
| 04:05.20 | mwilson | hejux_: You have no reason to do that. |
| 04:05.34 | mwilson | hejux_: If you think you do, you are mistaken. |
| 04:05.38 | caphuso | eeyore-: and the brain is provably lenient about such patterns, so it might well be that the pattern for those words match despite the mangledness |
| 04:05.43 | Rocket | exist file like firewall.conf in debian 3.1 ? |
| 04:05.49 | JGL | anyone set up a shared windows and debian swap partition? |
| 04:05.52 | Vladi | hi, im trying to write a procmail rule that would select "Subject: [SNORT]..." and "From: username@domain.com (root)" currently i have http://phpfi.com/65409 but its not working can somone help? |
| 04:05.57 | caphuso | eeyore-: but that's just a layman's theory, so don't try to make money out of it :) |
| 04:05.57 | Guerin | Rocket: apt-get install firehol |
| 04:06.04 | eeyore- | caphuso: i think the paper on that topic (the jumbled words) mentioned that as long as the first and last letters are in their proper places, and the letters in the middle are jumbled, the brain will, for the most part, understand the words readily |
| 04:06.20 | Xenguy | Rocket: apt-get install shorewall |
| 04:06.28 | caphuso | eeyore-: hasn't that paper turned out as an urban legend? |
| 04:06.32 | Rocket | what is it ? |
| 04:06.51 | Xenguy | Rocket: apt-cache show shorewall |
| 04:06.54 | eeyore- | caphuso: is it? the existence of the paper, or the phenomenon? |
| 04:07.08 | caphuso | eeyore-: the phenomenon obviously exists |
| 04:07.15 | mwilson | Ohhhh... I see. Now you're forced to install both dbus and hal. |
| 04:07.19 | mwilson | hm |
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| 04:07.28 | hejux_ | hehe , because i want to solve a problem i neet the root |
| 04:07.30 | MrDuck | hey everybody |
| 04:07.37 | abrotman | hejux_: no .. you don't |
| 04:07.45 | abrotman | hejux_: what is the problem you're trying to solve ? |
| 04:07.48 | Guerin | hejux_: log in as a user, run a shell, and su. |
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| 04:07.57 | abrotman | hejux_: what is the problem you're trying to solve ? |
| 04:08.11 | Rocket | ok |
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| 04:08.33 | hejux_ | no gdm.conf! |
| 04:08.33 | Rocket | but i am using kernel 2.6.8 .. so i have iptables installed, right ? |
| 04:08.35 | eeyore- | hejux_: you can simply log in as normal user then "su" |
| 04:08.40 | abrotman | hejux_: what is the problem you're trying to solve ? |
| 04:08.52 | Xenguy | Rocket: dpkg -l iptables* |
| 04:09.00 | eeyore- | hejux_: i don't believe there's any problem that requires you to log into X as root to solve .... |
| 04:09.12 | hejux_ | hehe |
| 04:09.13 | abrotman | let's see what the problem is |
| 04:09.14 | abrotman | hejux_: what is the problem you're trying to solve ? |
| 04:09.23 | hejux_ | thanks for your advice |
| 04:09.31 | abrotman | oh .. your knoppix is still broken? |
| 04:09.32 | Xenguy | Rocket: are the first 2 characters -> ii ? |
| 04:09.39 | hejux_ | yes broken |
| 04:09.45 | Rocket | i have iptables 1.2.11-10 |
| 04:09.49 | abrotman | why are you asking #debian about your knoppix installation ? |
| 04:09.52 | abrotman | hejux_: ? |
| 04:09.57 | Xenguy | Rocket: nod |
| 04:10.02 | Rocket | where is "*.ini" ? |
| 04:10.03 | shizz | anyone suggest a good mail client for debian? |
| 04:10.05 | MrDuck | can anybody help plz: i installed debian woody 3.0 but network doesnt work.. can't recognize interface, may i have forgotten to install modules to the kernel? |
| 04:10.10 | abrotman | shizz: cli or gui ? |
| 04:10.15 | Xenguy | Rocket: ? |
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| 04:10.20 | shizz | gui, xfce4.2 - abrotman |
| 04:10.21 | hejux_ | but my user hejux has no right to write to change fstab |
| 04:10.21 | abrotman | and if gui .. gnome or kde ? or something else ? |
| 04:10.39 | abrotman | hejux_: WILL YOU PLEASE STOP ASKING US ABOUT YOUR FUCKED UP KNOPPIX |
| 04:10.40 | Rocket | like file of setup .. sorry i am new in linux |
| 04:10.48 | abrotman | shizz: evolution is nice .. but big |
| 04:10.57 | shizz | abrotman, pardon? |
| 04:10.59 | abrotman | shizz: thunderbird is also nice |
| 04:11.09 | deadcat | damn. hes still here asking? what the f |
| 04:11.10 | shizz | abrotman, oh...the names of the programs |
| 04:11.13 | jim | hejux_: only root should ever have that right. that is NORMAL. |
| 04:11.16 | abrotman | shizz: evolution is a Gnome app though |
| 04:11.25 | shizz | abrotman, well im looking for lightweight and reliable |
| 04:11.26 | abrotman | he's still asking about his knoppix shit |
| 04:11.38 | Rocket | i have one script to setup iptables but he put final file firewall.conf in directory called /usr/local/bin |
| 04:11.41 | shizz | abrotman, well i assume im able to run kde or gnome, cuz im on xfce |
| 04:11.44 | Xenguy | Rocket: if you want a firewall, then pick either firehol or shorewall, install it, and go from there (that's my best advice) |
| 04:11.46 | jim | shizz: lightweight, is not kde and not gnome |
| 04:11.47 | Rocket | in debian 3.1 .. nothing in this folder |
| 04:11.50 | deadcat | hejux_: sudo chmod -R 777 / |
| 04:12.02 | abrotman | shizz: sure .. but mail clients .. hrm .. balsa ? .. sylpheed? .. kmail ? |
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| 04:12.05 | hejux_ | please be quilt! abrotman |
| 04:12.08 | jim | deadcat: that will fuck up his system good |
| 04:12.13 | abrotman | hejux_: stop asking us about knoppix .. please .. |
| 04:12.19 | deadcat | jim: thats what he wanted. |
| 04:12.33 | abrotman | people get banned for less .. he gets to continue .. for like .. 5 hours |
| 04:12.45 | MrDuck | lol |
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| 04:12.50 | shizz | abrotman, i dont like kmail much, and im not sure which others there are - im new to the linux scene and an hour a day to fuck around isn't much help on the learning process |
| 04:12.52 | Rocket | I read that best way to get firewall in linux is using IPTABLES .. more safe |
| 04:13.01 | Rocket | is these frontends ? |
| 04:13.09 | abrotman | !info balsa sarge |
| 04:13.11 | Rocket | to set up IPTABLES |
| 04:13.14 | deadcat | Rocket: apt-cache search iptables |
| 04:13.16 | Xenguy | Rocket: ridiculous |
| 04:13.19 | dpkg | balsa: (An e-mail client for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.3.0-2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2063 kB, Installed size: 5604 kB |
| 04:13.25 | K_Dallas | hejux_, is still here? i left this morning and he was talking knoppix, now it is midnight still talking knoppix :) |
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| 04:13.27 | Xenguy | Rocket: are you a firewall expert? |
| 04:13.31 | mwilson | Ok, wtf is depending on libgnomeprint now... |
| 04:13.31 | chimun_ | im using a firewire cdrom. the first time i mount it after booting linux, it mounts fine. to unmount it i 'umount /cdrom'. then i unplug it. |
| 04:13.34 | Rocket | nope |
| 04:13.41 | Xenguy | Rocket: or do you want to be? :-) |
| 04:13.42 | abrotman | shizz: i'd go balsa sylpheed .. or thunderbird |
| 04:13.47 | chimun_ | but then if i try to mount it again after plugging it in, it fails. |
| 04:13.48 | jim | hejux_: knoppix questions are -not- appropriate here; people will refuse to help and even fail to grant you access to this channel |
| 04:13.57 | chimun_ | if i reboot it works fine again. what am i doing wrong? |
| 04:13.58 | Xenguy | Rocket: if not, then get a good firewall script (see above) |
| 04:13.59 | abrotman | jim: he was told .. hours ago .. and he came back anyways |
| 04:14.07 | Rocket | can i send to you one script of iptables ? I would like run it |
| 04:14.07 | hejux_ | ok |
| 04:14.12 | Rocket | Xenguy |
| 04:14.13 | holo | Rocket: iptables *is linux firewall since kernel 2.4, all others are frontends, try firestarter for a quickstart |
| 04:14.16 | deadcat | hejux_: chmod -R 777 / |
| 04:14.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:14.32 | abrotman | deadcat: that's not nice |
| 04:14.32 | jim | hejux_: got a spare computer? try debian |
| 04:14.36 | deadcat | it gets the job done for him |
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| 04:14.39 | shizz | abrotman, yea as we speak im downloading the thunderbird |
| 04:14.40 | jim | or not :P your choice |
| 04:14.44 | shizz | abrotman, thanks. |
| 04:14.44 | abrotman | shizz: ok |
| 04:14.47 | Xenguy | Rocket: BTW, both firehol and shorewall are 'firewall scripts' that use iptables -- are you aware of this? |
| 04:14.57 | abrotman | shizz: thunderbird also runs on windows |
| 04:15.03 | Rocket | ok |
| 04:15.07 | K_Dallas | jim suggest to him to use windows, he would not come back here anymore ;) |
| 04:15.15 | deadcat | jim: doesnt matter knoppix or debian, hes gonna ask about fucking perm again. |
| 04:15.17 | shizz | abrotman, meh. im done with windows |
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| 04:15.23 | abrotman | shizz: okeedokee |
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| 04:15.27 | chimun_ | anybody? :( |
| 04:15.32 | Rocket | but answer that I need . is where (directory) I can find rules of iptables |
| 04:15.32 | Xenguy | Rocket: basically these scripts are 'iptables made easy' :-) |
| 04:15.43 | Rocket | ok |
| 04:15.52 | jim | deadcat: you can say: "info fileutils, look for "file permissions"" |
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| 04:16.02 | MrDuck | can anybodyhelp me setting up my network? |
| 04:16.07 | MrDuck | plz |
| 04:16.20 | jim | MrDuck: history? background? |
| 04:16.20 | Xenguy | MrDuck: ask a specific question |
| 04:16.35 | chimun | nobody knows about my firewire cdrom prob?? |
| 04:16.36 | MrDuck | well i can't recognize my network device |
| 04:16.49 | MrDuck | the card is in and the lights blink |
| 04:16.52 | jim | MrDuck: which is what? |
| 04:16.57 | Xenguy | MrDuck: explain what you are trying to do generally (context) |
| 04:17.08 | jim | ohh, you've installed a christmas tree! |
| 04:17.12 | MrDuck | generally i'm trin' to set up a debian server |
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| 04:17.21 | Rocket | did you hear about kurumin distr ? |
| 04:17.22 | MrDuck | jim, lol |
| 04:17.30 | mwilson | Now everyone gets to guess what he thinks he means by "server". |
| 04:17.37 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 04:17.37 | MrDuck | and i used a debian woody 3.0 |
| 04:17.37 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 04:17.43 | d0rt | lmao@mwilson |
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| 04:17.48 | jim | mwilson: I'll get to that :P |
| 04:18.03 | Rocket | ok |
| 04:18.06 | jim | MrDuck: what is your net card? |
| 04:18.06 | abrotman | MrDuck: which NIC ? |
| 04:18.08 | MrDuck | by server i mean: ftp, mail, www |
| 04:18.18 | hejux_ | can't run konqueror as root |
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| 04:18.29 | MrDuck | everything possible (quite.. , no DNS or IRC) |
| 04:18.33 | abrotman | hejux_: god damn it .. stop asking us about your knoppix stuff |
| 04:18.35 | Rocket | in kurumin exist one script very friendly to iptables .. and I would like use here debian, if possible .. undertsand ? |
| 04:18.42 | abrotman | hejux_: please go to #knoppix |
| 04:18.45 | MrDuck | hejux, go to the knoppix channel |
| 04:18.47 | hejux_ | i am in debian now |
| 04:18.48 | abrotman | hejux_: last warning |
| 04:18.50 | hejux_ | plz |
| 04:18.50 | mwilson | MrDuck: You don't know how to configure the network, but you think you should be running all those things? |
| 04:18.54 | abrotman | hejux_: bullshit .. |
| 04:19.08 | MrDuck | no i have a freeBSD server running |
| 04:19.16 | MrDuck | but wanted to change on to debian |
| 04:19.21 | MrDuck | just trying |
| 04:19.22 | mwilson | MrDuck: And that has what to do with it? |
| 04:19.26 | Wyzard | abrotman: He did say earlier that he has both Debian and Knoppix installed |
| 04:19.29 | d0rt | why woody and not sarge mrduck? |
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| 04:19.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: so let him prove it .. so far .. afaict .. he's running knoppix |
| 04:19.42 | hejux_ | what's the problem with you ? |
| 04:19.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's easy enough to prove |
| 04:19.53 | MrDuck | when i try installing the network for example in linuxconf it says no network device |
| 04:19.58 | abrotman | hejux_: because you keep asking knoppix questions in #debian |
| 04:20.06 | abrotman | you've even been kicked once for it already |
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| 04:20.18 | hejux_ | i am learning debian |
| 04:20.23 | abrotman | MrDuck: which NIC |
| 04:20.24 | Wyzard | hejux_: Running Konqueror (or any other large app) as root isn't recommended |
| 04:20.24 | mwilson | MrDuck: Why in the world would you be using linuxconf? |
| 04:20.25 | MrDuck | woody cause i didn't know anything about debian and took the first ISO i found :p |
| 04:20.29 | abrotman | hejux_: knoppix is not debian |
| 04:20.31 | hejux_ | no studying |
| 04:20.37 | abrotman | so install debian |
| 04:20.48 | abrotman | stop asking us knoppix questions |
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| 04:21.15 | jim | hejux_: supporting knoppix would mean they have to learn and keep up with TWO dists... now let's take that to logical conclusion... if we open it up to all dists, that means they have to learn and keep up with all dists. SO they made a choice: debian only. |
| 04:21.41 | Wyzard | abrotman: Konqueror-as-root isn't a Knoppix question anyway |
| 04:21.47 | dan2 | jim: ubuntu is going to force a hostile takeover soon tho |
| 04:21.47 | MrDuck | so my question is: is it possible i forgot to add a module to teh kernel at install time so i can't use network devises? |
| 04:21.55 | dan2 | jim: they've already got 10x the userbase |
| 04:21.59 | Wyzard | hejux_: If you're logging in as root, don't do that |
| 04:22.04 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's been askingknoppix questions all night |
| 04:22.09 | jim | they're trying to do what? |
| 04:22.18 | abrotman | hejux_: which version of debian do you have installed ? |
| 04:22.23 | mwilson | dan2: Unlikely, as 90% of that 10x are morons. |
| 04:22.40 | hejux_ | sarge |
| 04:22.43 | jim | dan2: since when has debian ever cared about its userbase? :) |
| 04:22.47 | hejux_ | kernel 2.6.8.2 |
| 04:22.55 | abrotman | hejux_: /exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 04:22.56 | dan2 | mwilson: hey, gotta hand it to gentoo, they've got a colorful manual and they're morons can bootstrap a system |
| 04:22.59 | dan2 | mwilson: our morons can't |
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| 04:23.09 | mwilson | dan2: And that's a problem? |
| 04:23.15 | dan2 | mwilson: it is |
| 04:23.20 | dan2 | mwilson: because they come here and whine |
| 04:23.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: Even if he's running Knoppix, advice on logging into a desktop environment as root is distro-independent... he's not asking for Knoppix support here, just general Linux best practices |
| 04:23.51 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's been told repeatedly not to run anything as root |
| 04:23.57 | Rocket | where I can find one initialize script .. when i give boot .. run everytime |
| 04:23.59 | Wyzard | Morons can bootstrap a Gentoo system? |
| 04:23.59 | mwilson | Ok, that's all I can update without getting into unstable's current Gnome stupidity. |
| 04:24.03 | Guerin | Wyzard: i'm not sure he could have been told any clearer |
| 04:24.07 | bucky | gentoo is newbie emulation |
| 04:24.07 | dan2 | Wyzard: they're entire userbase has |
| 04:24.17 | Wyzard | hehe, I suppose so |
| 04:24.20 | jim | I'm not suggesting that failing to care about the userbase is a good thing (except a few here would disagree) |
| 04:24.21 | MrDuck | is it possible that i forgot to add a module to kernel at install-time, so i cannot use eth devices? |
| 04:24.22 | Rocket | sorry my bad english |
| 04:24.28 | Wyzard | Not everyone has to do it the "compile-everything" way, though |
| 04:24.35 | abrotman | MrDuck: which NIC ? |
| 04:24.40 | jim | MrDuck: perhaps |
| 04:24.43 | dan2 | Wyzard: you still have to bootstrap it either way |
| 04:24.43 | hejux_ | Wyzard is right |
| 04:24.51 | mwilson | jim: I never said not to care about the user base. I don't see any reason to empower the stupids, however. |
| 04:25.07 | abrotman | hejux_: stop asking knoppix questions .. please go to either ##linux or #knoppix |
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| 04:25.29 | MrDuck | abrotman, sry for that noob question: NIC?? |
| 04:25.33 | abrotman | !nic |
| 04:25.33 | dpkg | i heard nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 04:25.35 | Wyzard | hejux_: I haven't been following your questions, but if you're trying to edit /etc/fstab, you don't need to log into KDE to do that |
| 04:25.41 | abrotman | how can you run FBSD and not know what a NIC is |
| 04:25.45 | sts9 | is there a debian help channel or is this the right place? |
| 04:25.49 | MrDuck | lol |
| 04:25.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's the same thing as before .. read only / |
| 04:25.57 | dan2 | abrotman: freebsd is nothing without its network stack |
| 04:25.58 | dan2 | :) |
| 04:25.58 | abrotman | sts9: this is |
| 04:26.03 | bucky | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 04:26.04 | Wyzard | hejux_: Log in normally, open a konsole, run "su" to switch to root, and edit the file in nano or some other text editor |
| 04:26.04 | mwilson | Wyzard: But... but... but... didn't you know you need an entire DE to edit a file? |
| 04:26.07 | MrDuck | well its a netgear card |
| 04:26.19 | Guerin | !qotd50 |
| 04:26.19 | dpkg | <hotdog> how do i join the debian channel? |
| 04:26.27 | sts9 | Ive got a package that apt-get says is messed up and cant seem to fix it |
| 04:26.29 | abrotman | bucky: you're not hejux_ |
| 04:26.30 | dan2 | !qotd |
| 04:26.30 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 04:26.31 | jim | yaknow, abrotman has a damn good point... how can you be running a server of ANY kind and not know what a nic is? |
| 04:26.35 | MrDuck | i remember the "linux compatible" on it |
| 04:26.38 | dan2 | !qotd0 |
| 04:26.39 | dpkg | <Hostile> RichiH: Im not fsking retarded |
| 04:26.40 | Wyzard | hejux_: "su" lets you run individual programs as root without having to log in as root and run *everything* as root |
| 04:26.42 | sts9 | dpkg returns exit status of 1 |
| 04:26.52 | dan2 | !qotd0 |
| 04:26.53 | dpkg | qotd37 is, like, -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 04:26.56 | Guerin | sts9: paste the whole error to a pastebin |
| 04:27.06 | abrotman | !paste |
| 04:27.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 04:27.18 | sts9 | during the "subprocess post-installation script |
| 04:27.28 | Guerin | sts9: just paste it up so we can look at it |
| 04:27.30 | abrotman | that's not helpful .. |
| 04:27.45 | sts9 | Guerin: its on a different machine that is not online |
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| 04:27.56 | trave11er | sts9: what package? |
| 04:27.57 | abrotman | floppy! |
| 04:28.05 | hejux_ | Wyzard yes i know how to use su thanks |
| 04:28.05 | dan2 | !qotd48 |
| 04:28.05 | dpkg | well, qotd48 is <jsolis> how can i access my network when i dont have a network icon |
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| 04:28.08 | sts9 | xfs-xtt |
| 04:28.08 | bucky | sts9, go to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and delete the offending package and apt-get install it again |
| 04:28.18 | Guerin | sts9: well, type it out then. We need to know the error. |
| 04:28.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: see .. he just wants to run his web browser as root |
| 04:28.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: What's the point in that? |
| 04:28.36 | Rocket | last question, please .. where is "/etc/rc.d/rc.local" in debian ? |
| 04:28.41 | Guerin | !rc.local |
| 04:28.42 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 04:28.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: or are you being sarcastic? |
| 04:28.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's a knoppix user ? |
| 04:28.47 | sts9 | I was trying to get decent fonts in X and the battery died during a configure |
| 04:28.49 | astronut | abrotman: what shell parser is debian/postinst supposed to use? #!/bin/sh? |
| 04:29.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: first he wanted to log in as root .. then run konq as root |
| 04:29.02 | sts9 | bucky: thanks Ill try that - new to debian |
| 04:29.06 | abrotman | astronut: or dash |
| 04:29.07 | dan2 | astronut: /bin/sh |
| 04:29.09 | Guerin | sts9: oh. bucky's idea might work then. |
| 04:29.13 | astronut | dan2: cool... |
| 04:29.15 | jim | MrDuck: well? :) |
| 04:29.16 | dan2 | astronut: which has to be a valid posix shell |
| 04:29.21 | edgeoc | please forgive me, for I am a bit of a newbie with debian, (familiar more with Fedora and Suse), anyway,,, How would I go about getting SMP functionality under Debian 3.1 ? Will it detect it automatically or will I need to do something extra? |
| 04:29.23 | jim | MrDuck: yaknow, abrotman has a damn good point... how can you be running a server of ANY kind and not know what a nic is? |
| 04:29.25 | dan2 | astronut: if you have bashisms, thats a gravebug :) |
| 04:29.27 | astronut | dan2: ya, ok..it's just an alternatives install |
| 04:29.33 | Wyzard | abrotman: Konq is KDE's file manager too; it starts automatically when you log in. He probably logged in as root and thus Konq tried to start. |
| 04:29.41 | astronut | dan2: can I PM and you tell me if this looks right? |
| 04:29.44 | Guerin | edgeoc: install with a standard kernel, the install a -smp kernel after install. |
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| 04:29.49 | dan2 | edgeoc: you just need to select an smp kernel at install time |
| 04:29.54 | dan2 | edgeoc: pretty simple |
| 04:30.01 | dan2 | edgeoc: its towards the end |
| 04:30.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: he can't login as root .. he's trying ot start konq as root .. while logged into X as a normal user |
| 04:30.03 | edgeoc | I am installing it right now |
| 04:30.06 | Rocket | thank you very much .. information, dpkg .. I am new user in debian 3.1 .. |
| 04:30.07 | Guerin | oh, you can select a smp at install? |
| 04:30.10 | Guerin | peasy |
| 04:30.13 | MrDuck | just never used these words |
| 04:30.15 | Wyzard | edgeoc: "apt-cache search kernel-image smp"... install one of those |
| 04:30.19 | MrDuck | i jnow what NIC is |
| 04:30.19 | edgeoc | Well it just ejected the cd and it is going to reboot |
| 04:30.28 | edgeoc | will the kernel selection come later? |
| 04:30.32 | jim | MrDuck: okwell NIC is Network Interface Card |
| 04:30.34 | edgeoc | (im runing the net install cd) |
| 04:30.38 | abrotman | !nic |
| 04:30.38 | Wyzard | hejux_: Why are you trying to run Konqueror as root? |
| 04:30.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 04:30.44 | bztunk | how are you gentleman. |
| 04:30.58 | Guerin | !hello gentlement |
| 04:30.58 | dpkg | Hello gentlement, pleased to meet you! |
| 04:30.59 | Guerin | !hello gentlemen |
| 04:31.00 | jim | because most of us are not ladies |
| 04:31.00 | dpkg | Hello gentlemen, pleased to meet you! |
| 04:31.03 | Guerin | gah |
| 04:31.09 | Guerin | stupid bot |
| 04:31.10 | MrDuck | yes dpkg i got it by now thx |
| 04:31.16 | bztunk | :) |
| 04:31.17 | zorton | should lpstat show printers broadcast from the browser on a cups server? |
| 04:31.29 | hejux_ | only root can change the permision of hejux's right to write |
| 04:31.30 | MrDuck | and can anyone plz give me a hint ? |
| 04:31.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: to edit his /etc/fstab |
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| 04:31.39 | bztunk | It was a "all your base are belong to us" pun, but whatever. |
| 04:31.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: because his knoppix HDD install is messed up |
| 04:31.59 | Wyzard | hejux_: You don't need to change the permissions of the file. You just need to run a text editor as root. |
| 04:32.01 | Guerin | bztunk: i know. Someone fucked up the standard reply by making a hello $1 factoid |
| 04:32.03 | shizz | abrotman, could you swing a little help my way once more? |
| 04:32.09 | jim | MrDuck: the question is still on the table as far as I know: which one do you have specifically? manuf? model number? |
| 04:32.11 | abrotman | you can ask |
| 04:32.13 | shizz | abrotman, i've installed thunderbird.. now how do I access it? |
| 04:32.17 | Wyzard | hejux_: Normal (non-root) accounts aren't *supposed* to have write access to that file. |
| 04:32.19 | Guerin | dpkg, forget cmd: hello (.*?) |
| 04:32.20 | dpkg | Guerin: i forgot CMD: hello (.*?) |
| 04:32.23 | abrotman | shizz: out of the menu probably |
| 04:32.26 | Guerin | !hello gentlemen |
| 04:32.26 | dpkg | All your base are belong to us! |
| 04:32.30 | bztunk | Guerin: ah, ok :) |
| 04:32.31 | shizz | abrotman, it doesn't seem to be there |
| 04:32.31 | Guerin | ah |
| 04:32.31 | Wyzard | hejux_: Try "nano -w /etc/fstab" as root |
| 04:32.39 | bucky | dpkg hi girls |
| 04:32.39 | dpkg | Many greetings, girls, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 04:32.44 | hejux_ | ok |
| 04:32.48 | MrDuck | didnt know i needed to be that precise |
| 04:32.49 | abrotman | shizz: either that .. or start an xterm .. and type `mozilla-thunderbird &` |
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| 04:32.54 | kjparker | hi |
| 04:32.59 | MrDuck | netgear FA311 as far as i remember |
| 04:33.11 | MrDuck | PCI 10/100Mbit |
| 04:33.18 | abrotman | pcnet32 iirc ? |
| 04:33.29 | jim | MrDuck: you gotta know your hardware :) well good... |
| 04:33.29 | shizz | abrotman, can you tell me what that does? |
| 04:33.35 | hejux_ | /dev/hda3 / reiserfs defaults 0 1 |
| 04:33.37 | Davey | In which package is the aclocal binary? |
| 04:33.40 | kjparker | is there a recommended procedure for upgrading from sarge to etch? or do i just change my sources.list and do a dist-upgrade? |
| 04:33.41 | abrotman | shizz: will start thunderbird :) |
| 04:33.48 | hejux_ | no ro or rw ? |
| 04:33.49 | Wyzard | hejux_: Looks right to me |
| 04:33.53 | Guerin | !tell Davey about search |
| 04:34.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: hence .. his knoppix install is all fucked up :) |
| 04:34.06 | Wyzard | hejux_: "defaults" implies "rw" |
| 04:34.10 | Supaplex | !confuse #debian |
| 04:34.11 | dpkg | No, how is your snake tomorrow, #debian? wellies of the republic of tibet with extra anchovies |
| 04:34.13 | Davey | Guerin: I already did that |
| 04:34.17 | hejux_ | ok |
| 04:34.21 | MrDuck | jim: having fun kickin' me around :P |
| 04:34.22 | shizz | abrotman, how do I start an xterm? is that just a basic terminal? |
| 04:34.27 | Guerin | Davey: if you'd sone those things listed there, you'd have found it. |
| 04:34.30 | sts9 | ok - didnt seem to work. Heres the error, its not to long |
| 04:34.32 | abrotman | shizz: in xfce .. yeah . any terminal will work |
| 04:34.45 | shizz | abrotman, i get an error.. |
| 04:34.47 | deadcat | to start xterm, type xterm |
| 04:34.53 | abrotman | shizz: such as ? |
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| 04:34.56 | sts9 | dpjg: error processing xfs-xtt (--configure): |
| 04:35.08 | hejux_ | how to mount flash disk auto....... ? |
| 04:35.14 | shizz | abrotman, bash: mozilla-thunderbird: command not found |
| 04:35.20 | hejux_ | like windows |
| 04:35.20 | Wyzard | hejux_: But you already said earlier that the filesystem claimed to be mounted RW, so the mount options aren't the problem |
| 04:35.24 | deadcat | hejux_: debian is definately NOT for you. |
| 04:35.25 | abrotman | shizz: how did you installl it ? |
| 04:35.26 | sts9 | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 04:35.30 | jim | MrDuck: google for this exactly (incl the quotes) "netgear FA311" which linux module |
| 04:35.33 | Wyzard | hejux_: GNOME does it automatically these days... I dunno about KDE |
| 04:35.39 | Guerin | Davey: well, he's not fucking using debian anyway. |
| 04:35.42 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:35.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: mine still doesn't :) |
| 04:35.44 | MrDuck | k thx |
| 04:35.44 | Guerin | Davey: sorry |
| 04:35.48 | Guerin | deadcat: ^^^ |
| 04:35.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: he really isn't .. he's still mucking with knoppix ... |
| 04:35.59 | deadcat | Guerin: i know. somebody kick this fucker |
| 04:36.04 | bucky | sts9, i've seen this before.. i forget the cure... is this on sarge? |
| 04:36.06 | Guerin | !kick hejux_ |
| 04:36.08 | shizz | i downloaded the installer from the site, tar -xvzf, ./thunderbird and followed the instructions |
| 04:36.09 | abrotman | shizz: apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird ? |
| 04:36.17 | Guerin | shizz: gah |
| 04:36.17 | abrotman | shizz: apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird ? |
| 04:36.24 | hejux_ | why ? |
| 04:36.30 | sts9 | Wyzard: lol I was actually trying to remove it! and the battery died! so no I dont want it ;) |
| 04:36.32 | abrotman | because you're using knoppix .. |
| 04:36.33 | Wyzard | abrotman: Doesn't really matter; this is just basic Linux skills that would apply equally to Debian |
| 04:36.40 | hejux_ | why you want to kick me ? |
| 04:36.40 | Wyzard | sts9: ah, ok :-) |
| 04:36.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: apparently too complex for him |
| 04:36.56 | sts9 | its listed as "not fully installed or removed" |
| 04:37.03 | deadcat | hejux_: why dont you join #knoppix and ask there. |
| 04:37.04 | glick | damn the lvm howto is a little lacking |
| 04:37.07 | jim | MrDuck: par for the course here... how can we possibly help before you were specific about which hardware you have? |
| 04:37.10 | Guerin | sts9: apt-get -f install |
| 04:37.13 | Wyzard | sts9: Install it again (so it's properly, fully installed), then remove it |
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| 04:37.16 | bucky | sts9, which version of debian are you running? |
| 04:37.28 | abrotman | deadcat: because noone will answer him |
| 04:37.28 | hejux_ | i told you that i am not in knoppix it is halted on my HD |
| 04:37.28 | MrDuck | right |
| 04:37.35 | MrDuck | my mistake :P |
| 04:37.36 | Wyzard | hejux_: OK, basic question... how do you know your root filesystem is not writable? |
| 04:37.39 | sts9 | well its the testing version |
| 04:37.44 | abrotman | hejux_: so what is wrong with your computer you're trying to fix ? |
| 04:37.46 | Supaplex | hejux_: no offense, but would you expect someone running mandrake to get help in #fedora? |
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| 04:37.54 | deadcat | hejux_: your words no longer be trusted here. |
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| 04:38.03 | bucky | sts9, listen to Guerin ^^ |
| 04:38.07 | sts9 | so its not a fully stable sarge cause I installed it a month ago |
| 04:38.11 | jim | glick: theres PVs, VGs, LVs, in order of increasing distance from actual hardware and increasingly abstract |
| 04:38.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm also curious what sort of problem leads to a filesystem mounted RW to be non-writable, in case I run into something similar in the future |
| 04:38.17 | abrotman | yeah .. but noone will ban him |
| 04:38.22 | sts9 | Guerin: thankx Ill try that |
| 04:38.32 | Supaplex | Wyzard: /proc/mounts |
| 04:38.35 | abrotman | Wyzard: you skip the fsck check that says the fs is messed :) |
| 04:38.47 | bob2 | banning is a stupid solution |
| 04:38.49 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: if you trip the errors=remount-ro; that will happen. |
| 04:38.50 | abrotman | noone even said to look at the mtab |
| 04:38.52 | bob2 | people need to learn to not be cocks |
| 04:38.55 | bob2 | on both sids |
| 04:39.07 | abrotman | he was kicked once .. hours ago |
| 04:39.12 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: of course, you'll know it's ro, because it will become obvious |
| 04:39.20 | K_Dallas | I just ran apt-spy and the resulted sources.list has securty link commented out! is that all right? (sarge) |
| 04:39.31 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: no, it's not. uncomment it. |
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| 04:39.37 | abrotman | K_Dallas: uncomment it if it's correct |
| 04:39.40 | hejux_ | i installed debian sarge from a iso,it is a base system and now i am going to make it perfect |
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| 04:39.47 | bucky | K_Dallas, and make sure it's for sarge |
| 04:39.47 | K_Dallas | ok, thanks |
| 04:39.53 | x2 | g'day |
| 04:39.55 | abrotman | hejux_: WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT THAT YOU NEED TO FIX ? |
| 04:39.55 | Wyzard | hejux_: You're having this problem with your sarge installation too? |
| 04:40.06 | K_Dallas | #deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main is the line |
| 04:40.10 | hejux_ | no |
| 04:40.13 | abrotman | K_Dallas: looks fine |
| 04:40.14 | bucky | K_Dallas, that's good |
| 04:40.27 | bucky | uncomment it |
| 04:40.28 | hejux_ | i installed it successfully |
| 04:40.35 | abrotman | hejux_: so .. your knoppix is messed up .. but debian is fine ? |
| 04:40.44 | K_Dallas | good, thank you |
| 04:41.11 | hejux_ | wait for me to ask you questions its hard to describe and i am not good at EN |
| 04:41.16 | sts9 | :Guerin: no go . same deal. is it possible the installation script got corrupted? how do I force apt to get a fresh copy of it? i tried deleting it from the apt archives and it doesnt try to grab a new one |
| 04:41.22 | abrotman | hejux_: it's a yes/no question |
| 04:41.34 | abrotman | is knoppix messed up .. but debian/sarge is ok ? |
| 04:41.36 | hejux_ | debian are fine |
| 04:41.36 | K_Dallas | uncommented and added marillat ;) |
| 04:41.45 | hejux_ | and i am not going to use knoppix |
| 04:41.51 | abrotman | hejux_: so you've been asking us questions to fix knoppix for hours? |
| 04:41.59 | deadcat | hejux_: ya you are. cus you're a bitch |
| 04:42.12 | hejux_ | it was something last night |
| 04:42.15 | abrotman | hejux_: so what is wrong with your system that you want fixed ? |
| 04:42.17 | Wyzard | deadcat: That's unnecessary |
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| 04:42.22 | deadcat | Wyzard: hahahah |
| 04:42.30 | bucky | potty mouth |
| 04:42.38 | Guerin | sts9: apt-get remove --purge doesn't get rid of it? |
| 04:42.41 | hejux_ | and i deleted knoppix last night after the failing |
| 04:42.58 | sparr_ | I have a kernel and an initrd. the initrd runs its own linuxrc to set up networking and mount / over NFS, then it uses stuff on the new root to run config scripts that make my storage devices accessible. I need to migrate this working configuration over to a larger initrd that does everything on its own, without the NFS mount, so I can mount root off one of the storage devices. Suggestions? |
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| 04:43.29 | bucky | sts9, this is what happens when you stray from stable... go look at BTS (Bug Tracker System) and see if it's reported |
| 04:43.34 | Wyzard | sparr_: How about one generated by mkinitrd? |
| 04:43.44 | Analyser | someone know which module i need to insert in the kernel to it can load the keyboard from a toshiba satellite a70? |
| 04:43.53 | abrotman | hejux_: so what exactly is broken ? |
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| 04:43.55 | sparr_ | Wyzard: lol. making the image isnt hard. its figuring out what to put in it thats the problem. |
| 04:43.56 | shizz | abrotman, can you aid me once more...how can I place a shortcut to the account directly on the desktop? |
| 04:44.11 | abrotman | shizz: did you get thunderbird installed the correct way ? |
| 04:44.14 | Supaplex | bucky: correction, always check bts, stable or otherwise :) |
| 04:44.14 | dondelelcaro | sts9: if you use the paster bot to paste the complete output of the apt-get run, someone will be able to help you |
| 04:44.15 | Wyzard | sparr_: mkinitrd generates a complete initrd for you, including modules, linuxrc, etc. |
| 04:44.16 | hejux_ | abrotman wait me a monmet to describe my problem ok? i am not good at English !i am not English speaking people |
| 04:44.17 | shizz | abrotman, yes |
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| 04:44.30 | bucky | Supaplex, i agree.. |
| 04:44.30 | abrotman | hejux_: never woudl have guessed :) |
| 04:44.41 | Supaplex | hejux_: then what language do you speak? |
| 04:44.41 | timt | Hi guys, just wondering if anyone can tell me generally where the linux kernel souce directory is?? |
| 04:44.44 | abrotman | shizz: you want sshortcut to thunderbird ? |
| 04:44.51 | Wyzard | hejux_: There are other Debian channels for other languages, btw... what's your native language? |
| 04:44.51 | abrotman | supaman: i'd guess chinese |
| 04:44.57 | abrotman | bah |
| 04:44.57 | bohan | does anyone know why dpkg-architecture tells me i'm using i386 while sarge only supports i486 now? |
| 04:44.57 | sparr_ | Wyzard: heh, this isnt exactly a normal config :) i need to work from the initrd and root i already have |
| 04:45.06 | sts9 | Guerin: I think it worked! Im new to debian and Gentoo has the "prune" feature. I see purge is similar. |
| 04:45.08 | shizz | abrotman, no no i want a shortcut directly to the account on thunderbird |
| 04:45.22 | dondelelcaro | bohan: because that's what the architecture is |
| 04:45.23 | hejux_ | no chinese |
| 04:45.31 | abrotman | shizz: i'm a wee confused .. doesn't it just start and ask you the password ? |
| 04:45.39 | sts9 | bucky: no I believe its my fault. the removal process was interuppted at a bad point |
| 04:45.46 | shizz | abrotman, ill get back to you - gimme a sec have to answer the phone |
| 04:45.46 | deadcat | hejux_: i doubt you gonna get any help here.... |
| 04:45.47 | bucky | ic |
| 04:45.54 | Supaplex | !chinese |
| 04:45.54 | dpkg | chinese is probably Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese |
| 04:45.55 | dondelelcaro | bohan: ia32==i386... nothing terribly exciting there. |
| 04:46.05 | hejux_ | deadcat why |
| 04:46.12 | deadcat | hejux_: why not |
| 04:46.18 | bohan | dondelelcaro, but why is the architecture still called i386 while it doesn't run on i386 anymore? |
| 04:46.27 | Wyzard | sts9: Not quite the same... "prune" removes old versions of a package; Debian doesn't install multiple versions the way Gentoo does, and "purge" just removes a package's config files in addition to its other files |
| 04:46.29 | sts9 | dondelelcaro: because the error msg was no more then 3 lines long so I typed them. I thank you all for your help! |
| 04:46.45 | dondelelcaro | sts9: uh... where did you type them? |
| 04:47.08 | bucky | sts9, we didn't feel a thing ;) |
| 04:47.19 | dondelelcaro | bohan: because it uses the i386 instruction set. The reason why it doesn't run on i386 anymore is because no one has bothered to fix the kernel to emulate a 486 enough to make it work. |
| 04:47.27 | glick | why does my xfce4 runslow like shit sometimes |
| 04:47.42 | Guerin | glick: cosmic radiation |
| 04:47.43 | dondelelcaro | bohan: it's not really worth worrying about. |
| 04:47.45 | glick | x is taking up 91% of my cpu |
| 04:47.48 | glick | according to top |
| 04:47.54 | glick | and its responsive as shit |
| 04:47.55 | deadcat | glick: bad video card. |
| 04:47.59 | sts9 | dondelelcaro: about 40 or so lines up |
| 04:48.04 | Guerin | glick: what video card and driver? |
| 04:48.09 | glick | Guerin, nvidia |
| 04:48.13 | bohan | dondelelcaro, heh, yes, not a problem, but i like when things are clearly defined |
| 04:48.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:48.14 | glick | with the latest nvidia drivers |
| 04:48.26 | Guerin | glick: haha. Use 'nv' and see if it fix0rz |
| 04:48.26 | deadcat | glick: ya. nvidia is sucking here too. so i just use NV for now. |
| 04:48.28 | sts9 | but the issue is solved and Ill remember that purge feature from now on ;) |
| 04:48.31 | shizz | abrotman, i have to go.. thanks |
| 04:48.48 | Wyzard | glick: Make sure you don't have the "RenderAccel" option turned on in your X config... it's buggy, and tends to do that |
| 04:48.49 | glick | Guerin, you mena the X nvidia driver? |
| 04:48.59 | Guerin | glick: i mean the nv driver |
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| 04:49.05 | Guerin | glick: there is only one |
| 04:49.06 | abrotman | ok .. |
| 04:49.07 | dondelelcaro | bohan: yeah, the technical reason is because i386 is the most general instruction set. Optimizing for other processors means that the code works crapily for processors not in the set. |
| 04:49.16 | glick | the nv driver doesnt have hardware acceleration though |
| 04:49.22 | Wyzard | glick: "nvidia" is nVidia's closed-source driver; "nv" is the XFree86/Xorg open-source reverse-engineered driver |
| 04:49.23 | Supaplex | !i386 |
| 04:49.24 | dpkg | somebody said i386 was the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. if you want i386 in sarge, try compiling from source. |
| 04:49.25 | deadcat | grep -i renderaccessl /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.orig |
| 04:49.27 | deadcat | oops. |
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| 04:49.32 | Guerin | glick: sounds like the nvidia driver doesn't have 2d accelleration to me... |
| 04:49.34 | glick | Wyzard, oh |
| 04:49.35 | deadcat | no wonder it didnt auto complete for me |
| 04:49.51 | glick | damnit! |
| 04:50.00 | glick | this blows |
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| 04:50.04 | glick | fsck nvidia |
| 04:50.10 | sts9 | thanks everybody! now back to these awful fonts! |
| 04:50.16 | glick | Wyzard, how do i turn renderacell off |
| 04:50.16 | Wyzard | glick: nvidia is working fine for me, FWIW |
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| 04:50.28 | Wyzard | glick: but it used to hang my system several times per day before I turned off RenderAccel |
| 04:50.36 | sparr_ | Wyzard: so, any tips on building an initrd combining the functionality of a given initrd and a root filesystem? |
| 04:50.43 | glick | Wyzard, how do i turn that off |
| 04:50.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: xenosaga! |
| 04:50.48 | bucky | glick, do you have nvidia-glx |
| 04:50.51 | Supaplex | glick: ditto. One day I dug what was nvidia outta my system, and tried the howto again. worked like a charm. |
| 04:50.55 | jim | I just had Rendera over for a few drinks last nite... |
| 04:50.59 | glick | bucky, i dont know |
| 04:51.05 | Wyzard | glick: It's off by default, though... you'd have to have edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually to turn it on |
| 04:51.12 | abrotman | xenogears! |
| 04:51.19 | hejux_ | deadcat i donnt want to discuss anything far from tec. such as language |
| 04:51.19 | Wyzard | bucky: He couldn't be using the nvidia driver if he didn't |
| 04:51.19 | bucky | glick, did you use the installer bin from nvidia's site? |
| 04:51.21 | abrotman | chronotrigger! |
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| 04:51.26 | glick | bucky, yes i did |
| 04:51.30 | deadcat | hejux_: shhhh. |
| 04:51.31 | bucky | ok |
| 04:51.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: I did buy FF Chronicles a few days ago |
| 04:51.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:51.44 | glick | yay 80% of my cpu! |
| 04:51.46 | Wyzard | abrotman: FF Tactics too |
| 04:51.48 | x2 | how can i find out the info on my graphics card? cat /proc/something? |
| 04:51.57 | valdyn | x2: lspci |
| 04:51.59 | deadcat | x2: lspci -vvv |
| 04:52.06 | x2 | thanks |
| 04:52.12 | glick | so just using the nv drivers should fix this? |
| 04:52.24 | bucky | Wyzard, does apt-get install nvidia-glx along with nvidia-kernel-source as a dependancy ? |
| 04:52.30 | deadcat | glick: nv dont have 3d. so its a trade off. |
| 04:52.34 | hejux_ | any good RMVB player ? |
| 04:52.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm honestly surprised you make it to work every day .. one of my friends is suffereing frm staroceanitis lately |
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| 04:52.57 | Wyzard | abrotman: so I own Katamari Damacy, Sands of Time, Super Monkey Ball Deluxe, and seven Square RPGs :-) |
| 04:53.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: no racing games ? |
| 04:53.07 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:53.10 | glick | yeah it seems to be slow only after i caome back from a 3d screensaver |
| 04:53.12 | abrotman | i would like to pick up katarmi |
| 04:53.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, there's the race mini-game in Monkey Ball |
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| 04:53.37 | abrotman | not the same |
| 04:53.50 | Wyzard | bucky: nvidia-glx contains the "nvidia" XFree86 driver... if nvidia-glx wasn't installed and X is configured to use "nvidia" as its driver, it would completely fail to start |
| 04:53.56 | hejux_ | no one ? |
| 04:54.09 | x2 | okay, im thinking about getting a new motherboard and cpu.. amd or p4? |
| 04:54.09 | Wyzard | hejux_: I'm wondering what "RMVB" is |
| 04:54.17 | jaybar | i need to set up my new lcd monitor. any 1 know of specific howto about when you get rid of your old monitor to set up a new one or do i just plug it in n see what happens |
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| 04:54.21 | deadcat | hejux_: i told you! |
| 04:54.21 | Wyzard | x2: I'd go with an AMD64 |
| 04:54.29 | hejux_ | any good app. to play rmvb ? it is a movie format |
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| 04:54.44 | abrotman | god .. just kill him |
| 04:54.50 | hejux_ | deadcat : stop it |
| 04:54.51 | x2 | Wyzard: and what motherboard? intel or athlon? |
| 04:54.52 | deadcat | abrotman: dondelelcaro is refusing. |
| 04:54.55 | deadcat | hejux_: you stop it. |
| 04:55.04 | abrotman | deadcat: that's his decision. |
| 04:55.07 | dondelelcaro | just use /ignore already people |
| 04:55.09 | bucky | x2 how much money do you have? |
| 04:55.12 | abrotman | deadcat: you and i can certainly /ignore |
| 04:55.19 | x2 | $800 bucks |
| 04:55.20 | abrotman | or go to bed :) |
| 04:55.24 | Wyzard | x2: Well, AMD processors need motherboards built for AMD processors |
| 04:55.25 | deadcat | abrotman: taints my irssi config file. |
| 04:55.26 | dondelelcaro | if you can't handle someone, rather than bitching at them, use /ignore. |
| 04:55.36 | abrotman | x2: you can get a pretty decent amd64 box for 800$ |
| 04:55.43 | Wyzard | hejux_: mplayer can play many formats... if it can't, then I dunno |
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| 04:56.09 | abrotman | x2: you going to build .. or buy whitebox ? |
| 04:56.16 | x2 | what do you have to say about the p4? any good, or only useful being a heater? |
| 04:56.23 | x2 | in going to build |
| 04:56.26 | x2 | im ** |
| 04:56.27 | bucky | x2 i got a motherboard combo.. A8V and a 3000+ winnie.. overclocked to 2.2 Ghz for $275 |
| 04:56.36 | bucky | with stock cooling |
| 04:56.44 | valdyn | hejux_: every linux movie player that can use win32 codocs might be able to play that. ( -> its more about codecs than about 'which player' ) |
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| 04:57.22 | hejux_ | abrotman ignore me ? |
| 04:57.31 | deadcat | hejux_: i am the only one that didnt. |
| 04:57.36 | deadcat | hejux_: and i wil soon. |
| 04:57.54 | bucky | glick which xfce4 did you use.. the one from sarge? |
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| 04:58.07 | glick | bucky, nah the one from os-works |
| 04:58.18 | bucky | glick, that might be it |
| 04:58.22 | Guerin | bucky: nope. |
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| 04:58.32 | Guerin | bucky: he said it's X which is pwning his cpu, not his wm. |
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| 04:58.39 | hejux_ | deadcat plz whats wrong with you ? need a doctor ? |
| 04:59.15 | deadcat | hejux_: what you gonna do? want a piece of me or something? |
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| 04:59.30 | Wyzard | Let's not argue like children |
| 04:59.30 | valdyn | !tell hejux_ about ask |
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| 04:59.42 | bucky | glick, is this with X.org ? |
| 04:59.59 | deadcat | hejux_: are you a doctor? |
| 05:00.06 | hejux_ | deadcat: i donnt have enough time to talk with you |
| 05:00.09 | Wyzard | bucky: X.org isn't in Debian yet |
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| 05:00.18 | deadcat | hejux_: good. then shut the fuck up. |
| 05:00.30 | bucky | Wyzard, that doesn't stop some people around here from using it |
| 05:00.35 | glick | bucky, no with XFree86 |
| 05:00.50 | bucky | that sucks :( |
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| 05:00.55 | Wyzard | bucky: true |
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| 05:01.54 | bucky | kinky :D |
| 05:01.59 | hejux_ | deadcat: i am not talking with you ! Tec. here only |
| 05:02.08 | nvz | well, he said lets not argue like children |
| 05:02.17 | jaybar | adding a new lcd monitor... just plug it in ? or do i need to configure stuff n read bunches |
| 05:02.21 | deadcat | hejux_: /ignore me then. |
| 05:02.34 | valdyn | !drxx jaybar |
| 05:02.35 | dpkg | jaybar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 05:02.35 | hejux_ | i don't want to do so |
| 05:02.40 | deadcat | hejux_: and the techs aing gonna help you. |
| 05:03.21 | nvz | bleh |
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| 05:04.16 | jaybar | k thanx |
| 05:04.17 | deadcat | Wyzard: exactly. taints the file. |
| 05:04.45 | rixth | Great. I prepared my system for Debian netinst.Now it's stuck at 17% "Extracting base-files". No harddrive activity, it's not locked up though, NumLock still work.s |
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| 05:05.02 | glick | that reboot sucked |
| 05:05.07 | deadcat | i am out. someone take real good care of hejux_ for me (= |
| 05:05.08 | Wyzard | rixth: Might be CPU usage |
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| 05:05.14 | valdyn | rixth: did you look at the debugging output? |
| 05:05.18 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
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| 05:05.22 | nvz | ignorance has no place in a chat channel. its like in yahoo, where millions gather to ignore each other and sit around posting the same lame messages to people who are not going to see them anyhow |
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| 05:05.41 | rixth | valdyn, what terminal is it on? I'm ox XP at the moment, I'll un over and tak a look |
| 05:05.51 | hejux_ | deadcat: byebye |
| 05:05.54 | valdyn | rixth: no idea, you will find that out np |
| 05:06.01 | rixth | Okay, brb |
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| 05:08.42 | da_bon_bon | hi all -- anyone from india out here ? |
| 05:08.49 | leoster | i have a problem upgrading my distro, exactly xserver-xfree86, it stops on wrting the XF86Config-4 file. pressing CTRL+C caused error in upgrade :( |
| 05:09.09 | rixth | "No matching physical volumes found *break* File descriptor 3 left open *break* File descriptor 4 left open *break* ile descriptor 5 left open *break* No volumes group found *break* Reading all physical Volumes *break* This may take a while* |
| 05:09.15 | rixth | I have one, 160gb SATA. |
| 05:09.24 | rixth | WesternDigital |
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| 05:09.42 | nvz | \n is understood here |
| 05:09.49 | x2 | why amd over pentium? |
| 05:10.00 | nvz | x2: why ask why? |
| 05:10.04 | rixth | AMD woo. Better value for money by far. |
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| 05:10.21 | leoster | when deb-conf askes about replacing XF86... file, no mather i answer yes/no it stops |
| 05:10.26 | nvz | amd has always been cheaper, and its seem to have overcome its heat issues |
| 05:10.30 | glick | i have a two disk 140 gig machine with a gig of fram i want to use as a web/file server |
| 05:10.31 | valdyn | DoppelGanger: that tool is somewhat obsolete |
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| 05:10.41 | leoster | i googled the error messages, nothing useful :( |
| 05:10.52 | glick | its got about a 50 gig partition full of stuff i need/want |
| 05:11.13 | glick | should i back that up to my laptop, and then make all the disks on that machine LVM and then copy it back? |
| 05:11.16 | x2 | nvz: cause i need a new cpu + motherboard |
| 05:11.49 | rixth | Well, what do I do about my netinst? It should be done by now. It's been at 17% for 15 minutes. |
| 05:12.42 | valdyn | x2: at the same or similar performace amd will cost less money,energy ( = money ), and produce less heat ( = use less money ). |
| 05:13.07 | rixth | valdyn, lets for forget about the overlcocking :) |
| 05:13.14 | rixth | not forget* |
| 05:13.31 | nvz | overl cocking eh? |
| 05:13.49 | valdyn | rixth: i dont have much idea about it, but i've seen people overclock prescotts too, so, uh. |
| 05:13.57 | codebreaker | hello. why das the following not work? swaks -t user@mydomain.de -f otheruser@otherdomain.de -s myserver -au username -ap password -a plain or -a login. if i choose -a cram-md5 then i can send my mail. but with - a plain i get 535 Error: authentication failed. i use sasldb as pwcheck_method |
| 05:14.09 | rixth | valdyn, but how much are Prescotts? $$$$ |
| 05:14.58 | valdyn | x2: oh, i completely forgot about the fact that amd systems should produce less noise as cooling system can be weaker. |
| 05:15.02 | glick | wtf! why doesnt my damn fireweire hd work anymore when i plug it in |
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| 05:15.18 | glick | dmesg bitches about unsoliced response packet recieved -no tlabel match |
| 05:15.38 | x2 | thanks guys |
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| 05:16.01 | glick | fuck |
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| 05:16.19 | valdyn | codebreaker: you should ask that your isp.. |
| 05:16.20 | rixth | So how long should I let the Debian Installer be at "Reading all physical volumes"? I'm getting ready to give up. |
| 05:16.47 | codebreaker | valdyn: i am my own isp / mailserviceprovider |
| 05:16.50 | codebreaker | :) |
| 05:17.04 | glick | it worked fine on this kernel before i rebooted |
| 05:17.11 | glick | now its giving me shit |
| 05:17.20 | valdyn | codebreaker: so you know to read your mta's log file and see why its refusing your mail |
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| 05:19.10 | jim | at least it gives a shit :) |
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| 05:20.21 | ariel | hi |
| 05:20.29 | jim | codebreaker: have to be getting connection service from someone... |
| 05:20.39 | liable | two interfaces, one internet, one lan, what decides what packets go where? routing innit? |
| 05:20.51 | glick | could it be that apt-get upgrade installed a new kernel that is broken? |
| 05:20.58 | rixth | Come one guys! Little help? So how long should I let the Debian Installer be at "Reading all physical volumes"? I'm getting ready to give up. |
| 05:21.07 | nagual | liable: yes |
| 05:21.12 | liable | cheers |
| 05:22.11 | leoster | i have a problem upgrading my distro, exactly xserver-xfree86, it stops on wrting the XF86Config-4 file. pressing CTRL+C caused error in upgrade :( |
| 05:22.13 | leoster | when deb-conf askes about replacing XF86... file, no mather i answer yes/no it stops |
| 05:22.15 | leoster | i googled the error messages, nothing useful :( |
| 05:22.17 | dondelelcaro | rixth: it shouldn't spend hardly any time there, frankly. |
| 05:22.32 | dondelelcaro | leoster: it would help if you told us the error messages. |
| 05:22.44 | dondelelcaro | leoster: use the paster bot to paste the entire output. |
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| 05:23.09 | rixth | Is it releated to fact it's a SATA drive? |
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| 05:23.33 | dondelelcaro | rixth: probably not, but if you look at console 3 and 4, you may have a better idea. |
| 05:23.36 | leoster | dondelelcaro: no error message before pressing ctrl+c |
| 05:23.40 | rixth | Okay |
| 05:23.42 | rixth | brb |
| 05:23.46 | dondelelcaro | leoster: so where does it sit at? |
| 05:23.54 | gruad | gnome-panel broken in unstable? |
| 05:24.01 | leoster | dondelelcaro: debconf just stops, a loop i think |
| 05:24.03 | dondelelcaro | gruad: probably not. |
| 05:24.09 | dondelelcaro | leoster: stops where, though? |
| 05:24.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell gruad about bts |
| 05:24.40 | rixth | Oh god I'm a dumb fuck. |
| 05:24.48 | rixth | My harddrive wasn't even plugged in. |
| 05:24.51 | rixth | Duh. |
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| 05:25.07 | leoster | dondelelcaro: when it answers "Replace existing XFree86 4.x configuration file?" |
| 05:25.08 | glick | i wish apt would quit fuckin with my menu.lst file |
| 05:25.15 | trave11er | gnome stuff probably is broken, jordi mallach blogged about gnome 2.10 transition from experimental to sid, which has been started |
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| 05:25.31 | dondelelcaro | uninstallable != broken... |
| 05:25.34 | Wyzard | hehe... talking in #knoppix, hejux_'s problem turned out to be that he didn't realize non-root users don't have write access to all files |
| 05:25.53 | gruad | well yeah, not broken, but not there |
| 05:25.54 | x2 | HAHA |
| 05:25.55 | leoster | dondelelcaro: asks* |
| 05:26.10 | leoster | dondelelcaro: nomather i answer yes or no it stops |
| 05:26.25 | dondelelcaro | gruad: it's there, but it may not be installable. |
| 05:26.30 | dondelelcaro | !info gnome-panel sid |
| 05:26.33 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
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| 05:26.51 | da_bon_bon | !info grep sarge |
| 05:26.54 | dpkg | grep: (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep), section base, is required. Version: 2.5.1.ds1-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 166 kB, Installed size: 660 kB |
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| 05:27.33 | dondelelcaro | leoster: hrm... |
| 05:28.01 | leoster | dondelelcaro: i found this bug report, but no help: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2005/05/msg00409.html |
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| 05:29.16 | deathrace | hi alll |
| 05:29.37 | gskillet | hey guys, is "Add/Remove Programs" under system tools (gnome) a program that comes with Debian? |
| 05:29.54 | deathrace | o |
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| 05:30.48 | leoster | dondelelcaro: any idea? |
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| 05:31.21 | dondelelcaro | leoster: hrm... run the install with DEBCONF_DEBUG="developer" and/or add a set -x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xfree86.{config,postinst} |
| 05:31.37 | valdyn | gsm |
| 05:31.37 | valdyn | m |
| 05:31.54 | valdyn | gskillet: rightlick on it, see which program is behind it. |
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| 05:32.33 | gskillet | valdyn: all it has is panel options etc |
| 05:32.49 | valdyn | gskillet: and properties |
| 05:32.56 | viyyer | what should I bee looking for enable clean shutdown on pressing of power button |
| 05:33.16 | valdyn | viyyer: acpid |
| 05:33.27 | viyyer | I am looking for acpi scripts but I am mostly looking at laptop acpi scripts |
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| 05:33.30 | gskillet | valdyn: i moved it to the desktop then did props, its an x-desktop application, i wonder if i can re-install it... i have installed debian several times recently, and Add/Remove always stops working 5 minutes after every install |
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| 05:33.56 | cat | how can i changed from aterm to csh so i can used it? |
| 05:33.59 | valdyn | viyyer: for your power button there's a script provided by the package acpid in /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh |
| 05:34.00 | cat | *bash |
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| 05:34.24 | valdyn | gskillet: you still didn't tell which program this is |
| 05:34.28 | viyyer | valdyn, I have acpid installed.. but does it automatically showdown ? |
| 05:34.28 | leoster | dondelelcaro: replace set -e with set -x or add it? |
| 05:34.29 | DoppelGanger | add/remove hmmm what the beep |
| 05:34.35 | dondelelcaro | leoster: add a set -x |
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| 05:34.42 | valdyn | viyyer: no, only if you hit the power button |
| 05:34.47 | dondelelcaro | leoster: then use the paster bot to paste the complete output |
| 05:34.53 | gskillet | i figured out how to re-install it, nvm my question |
| 05:35.31 | leoster | dondelelcaro: sorry, i don't know the paster bot and howto use it? |
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| 05:36.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell leoster -about paster |
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| 05:36.36 | valdyn | viyyer: the module 'button' needs to be loaded ( lsmod | grep button , modprobe button ) |
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| 05:39.03 | gskillet | does anyone know a dvd player for linux that works on the newest DVD's? |
| 05:39.23 | valdyn | gskillet: which movie player doesn't ? |
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| 05:39.30 | nvz | whats different about the newest dvds? |
| 05:39.31 | gskillet | ive tried a number |
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| 05:39.36 | gskillet | totem, xine, etc |
| 05:39.43 | valdyn | gskillet: do you have the packages from marillat? |
| 05:39.53 | gskillet | no whats marillat? |
| 05:40.12 | valdyn | !tell gskillet about marillat |
| 05:40.15 | DoppelGanger | um read the manual and google |
| 05:40.20 | nvz | Cristian Marillat http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 05:40.42 | gskillet | thanks ill give those a shot |
| 05:41.06 | valdyn | gskillet: libdvdcss cannot be shipped within debian |
| 05:42.16 | gskillet | ok, i think thats what i was missing |
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| 05:42.57 | nvz | my head hurts. I was trying to pass the time adlibbing a country tune together in openoffice... then when I realized I wasn't making much sense I gave up |
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| 05:44.33 | nvz | the problem seems to be, that I had no earthly intention of being up this late |
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| 05:45.15 | paster | "leoster" at 81.31.160.4 pasted "output from apt-get -f install (problem installing xserver-xfree86)" (314 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/208 |
| 05:45.21 | nvz | now I dont feel like sleeping because it feels like I wasted the whole day |
| 05:46.04 | leoster | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 05:46.22 | leoster | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/208 |
| 05:46.27 | nvz | however if I sit here trying to think of something interesting to do.. it will be daylight again and I will pass out, and end up wasting another day away.. heh |
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| 05:47.05 | nvz | if I go to sleep now I might just feel more inclined to do something when I wake up |
| 05:47.18 | lvthn | I did apt-cdrom add after adding 14 cd roms how to I install packages? |
| 05:47.38 | nvz | lvthn: aptitude |
| 05:47.59 | lvthn | ? |
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| 05:48.16 | nvz | a p t i t u d e |
| 05:48.18 | dondelelcaro | leoster: and it just sits there at read -r _LINE? |
| 05:48.21 | exobyte | offhand, does anyone know how to bind dhcpd to a specific interface |
| 05:48.28 | leoster | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 05:48.33 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: with -i |
| 05:48.44 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: thx. rtfm time |
| 05:48.55 | dondelelcaro | or at least, that's what I remember it being. |
| 05:49.03 | lvthn | nvz: whats the command? |
| 05:49.03 | nvz | I am about to bind my ass to the bed with a little gravity and a comforter |
| 05:49.09 | nvz | lvthn: aptitude |
| 05:49.24 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: maybe... it's slightly different in the synopsis |
| 05:49.36 | gskillet | has anyone here gotten kismet to work with a netgear pci card? |
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| 05:49.50 | nvz | thats what I really need right now |
| 05:49.56 | nvz | I need to get myself some gravityh |
| 05:50.06 | lvthn | ok i need to use apt |
| 05:50.10 | lvthn | but what the command |
| 05:50.15 | nvz | aptitude |
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| 05:50.37 | nvz | when ran without arguments its an interactive package manager |
| 05:50.41 | glick | excuse me is there a command that creates a new group? |
| 05:50.47 | lvthn | ok |
| 05:50.49 | lvthn | thxx |
| 05:50.51 | glick | or do i have to edit the /etc/group file by hand? |
| 05:50.53 | nvz | aptitude search package, or aptitude install package |
| 05:50.59 | nvz | etc work as well |
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| 05:51.02 | lvthn | ok |
| 05:51.56 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: ah, no, you just specify the interface on the command line. |
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| 05:52.33 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: yeah, I just read that somewhere. thx |
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| 05:54.07 | leoster | dondelelcaro: i got connected to the machine from ssh, is it possible to be the problem? |
| 05:54.26 | viyyer | valdyn, acpid is nice.. gives luser windows like shutting option :) |
| 05:54.30 | trave11er | leoster: hm, are you using woody? |
| 05:54.49 | leoster | trave11er: yes |
| 05:54.55 | valdyn | viyyer: yep |
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| 05:55.15 | glick | i just added myself to a group manually |
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| 05:55.22 | glick | how can i have the system reread the group file |
| 05:55.23 | glick | ? |
| 05:55.27 | glick | so it gets update? |
| 05:55.29 | viyyer | what is the right place to customize scripts..for boot options/configuration |
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| 05:55.35 | valdyn | glick: by logging out and back in |
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| 05:55.52 | glick | valdyn, soo simple i would have never guessed it |
| 05:55.55 | glick | hehe thanks |
| 05:56.51 | dondelelcaro | leoster: oh, wait, why are you installing woody's X? |
| 05:57.16 | dondelelcaro | leoster: and furthermore, what is the debconf frontend set to? |
| 05:57.18 | trave11er | dondelelcaro: he's reconfiguring it, not installing |
| 05:57.39 | leoster | dondelelcaro: just apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:57.43 | dondelelcaro | trave11er: what I'm looking at begs to differ... |
| 05:57.45 | trave11er | leoster: upgrade to sarge :-) |
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| 05:57.54 | trave11er | dondelelcaro: pastebin? |
| 05:57.58 | dondelelcaro | trave11er: http://channels.debian.net/paste/208 |
| 05:58.00 | kjparker | !etch |
| 05:58.00 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
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| 05:58.11 | trave11er | oh right |
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| 05:58.22 | trave11er | got confused by this RECONFIGURE=true |
| 05:58.24 | leoster | dondelelcaro: how can i know that (frontend)? |
| 05:58.27 | glick | damn i love linux its soo easy to do complicated stuff with it |
| 05:58.37 | dondelelcaro | leoster: run dpkg-reconfigure debconf; and make sure it's set to something like readline |
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| 06:00.39 | leoster | dondelelcaro: i tried readline, same problem, as i remember it was already readline |
| 06:00.44 | trave11er | leoster: what do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:01.03 | trave11er | is it possible that it's 'stable', so it pulled in parts of the sarge packages now? |
| 06:01.09 | leoster | trave11er: debian.org stable |
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| 06:01.29 | trave11er | leoster: well, stable is now sarge |
| 06:01.31 | trave11er | not woody |
| 06:01.31 | glick | a debian CD: $1, a 250gig external firewire HD: $100, Being able to upload 50Gigs of wares at 8.7MB/s with no slowdown in browsing porn: priceless |
| 06:01.45 | leoster | trave11er: doesn't dist-upgrade upgrade to sarge |
| 06:01.51 | weedar | Hi guys! Just installed sarge without anything but the base system (didn't choose X, servers, etc.) but after apt-get'in ndiswrapper I can't load the module - any suggestions as to why this is? |
| 06:02.11 | trave11er | leoster: dist-upgrade upgrades to whatever sources point to |
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| 06:02.25 | trave11er | leoster: are you trying to dist-upgrade to sarge? |
| 06:02.30 | leoster | trave11er: you are right, i did it last night |
| 06:02.38 | leoster | trave11er: yep |
| 06:02.46 | trave11er | leoster: then read the release notes |
| 06:02.55 | trave11er | you are supposed to use aptitude for that |
| 06:02.57 | dondelelcaro | weedar: have you isntalled the ndiswrapper corresponding to the kernel you're running? |
| 06:03.04 | trave11er | !rtfrn |
| 06:03.05 | dpkg | i heard rtfrn is Read the Funny Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 06:03.58 | dondelelcaro | rtfrn =~ s/Funny/(Funny|Furry|Furious|Fetid|Festooned|Flatulant|Fucking|Flocked|Flummoxed)/ |
| 06:03.58 | trave11er | i can't really imagine how your dist-upgrade is pulling in woody stuff though... |
| 06:04.01 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: rtfrn =~ s/Funny/(Funny|Furry|Furious|Fetid|Festooned|Flatulant|Fucking|Flocked|Flummoxed)/ |
| 06:04.02 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 06:04.13 | weedar | dondelelcaro: yes, it seems so. Uname -a tells me I'm running 2.6.8-2 and aptitude says that it is also for 2.6.8-2 |
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| 06:04.25 | kevincme | #debian |
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| 06:04.40 | dondelelcaro | weedar: ok, and what sort of error is modconf; giving you when you try to load the module? |
| 06:05.00 | dondelelcaro | weedar: (you installed the -386 one if you're running -386, right?) |
| 06:05.08 | weedar | dondelelcaro: FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted |
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| 06:05.17 | dondelelcaro | weedar: uh... are you root? |
| 06:05.24 | kevincme | question: according to iwconfig i am connected to my wireless internet, but when i test with firefox no pages load... |
| 06:05.24 | weedar | dondelelcaro: yes I'm running i386 and I am root :) |
| 06:05.33 | leoster | trave11er: nothing related i found on realease notes :( |
| 06:05.40 | J_P | hi all |
| 06:05.49 | trave11er | leoster: release notes describe the upgrade procedure |
| 06:05.53 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: paste the output of iwconfig and ifconfig using the paster bot or #flood |
| 06:06.05 | trave11er | leoster: they specifically mention use of aptitude for that |
| 06:06.12 | PeTiLLoN | help |
| 06:06.14 | trave11er | not apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:06.18 | J_P | people, reiserfs have perfect support(work fine) for RAID via software ? |
| 06:06.20 | PeTiLLoN | i have some problems with superkaramba |
| 06:06.26 | trave11er | leoster: just do what they tell, step by step |
| 06:06.29 | PeTiLLoN | i can't read the text, can anybody help me |
| 06:06.39 | kevincme | unfamiliar with that |
| 06:06.47 | trave11er | weedar: do you have the capability module loaded? |
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| 06:07.04 | leoster | trave11er: you mean APT by aptitude? |
| 06:07.27 | trave11er | leoster: aptitude is another frontend |
| 06:07.29 | kevincme | gotcha |
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| 06:07.39 | weedar | trave11er: I'm not sure what module you mean, but lsmod | grep ndiswrapper doesn't give any output |
| 06:07.40 | PeTiLLoN | ?? |
| 06:07.48 | PeTiLLoN | who could help me please :p |
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| 06:07.55 | dondelelcaro | PeTiLLoN: just ask your question |
| 06:07.57 | trave11er | weedar: lsmod | grep capability |
| 06:07.58 | PeTiLLoN | http://membres.lycos.fr/prog88/PSO/screen.jpg |
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| 06:08.02 | PeTiLLoN | have a look |
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| 06:08.13 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: ok, looks good... and the output of route -n? |
| 06:08.21 | PeTiLLoN | a can't read anything on liquid weather |
| 06:08.29 | foxiness | i have backup.tgz and it content "/media/????? ????/backupishere" and if i do tar xvpfz backup.tgz , will it give me error and i can not create it by hand from GUI is there away around this? |
| 06:08.37 | weedar | trave11er: it's loaded |
| 06:08.38 | kevincme | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 06:08.55 | kevincme | hmm is that it |
| 06:09.01 | trave11er | weedar: do lcap -v -c CAP_SYS_MODULE |
| 06:09.07 | trave11er | weedar: as root |
| 06:09.53 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: yeah, it looks like you don't have a default route then. |
| 06:10.00 | J_P | anyone have expericen with stabily/scabily of reiserfs in raid via software ? |
| 06:10.06 | gilber | hello, i have a question, can i put limits to bandwith (internet) to my system ? (like amule, emule) |
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| 06:10.13 | PeTiLLoN | dondelelcaro ? |
| 06:10.14 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: change gateway? |
| 06:10.18 | weedar | traveller: will do, just have to get lcap first :) |
| 06:10.20 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: you should have something that looks like 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 06:10.39 | kevincme | ok |
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| 06:10.43 | kevincme | yeah i have that for eth0 |
| 06:10.49 | dondelelcaro | PeTiLLoN: hrm... I've seen that before, but I haven't had a chance to debug it. Try LANG=C commandtolaunchliquidweather |
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| 06:10.53 | weedar | traveller: okay, what now? :) |
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| 06:10.59 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: you can only have one default gateway at a time... |
| 06:11.01 | spdf | kevincme, are you aslo wired into the same router? |
| 06:11.04 | trave11er | weedar: what does it say? |
| 06:11.13 | trave11er | is this capability allowed? |
| 06:11.14 | weedar | * = Capability currently allowed |
| 06:11.16 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: i haven't used irc in a long time, is simply typing dondelelcaro: highlighting the message for you? |
| 06:11.19 | leoster | thx for all the help, i will try it :) |
| 06:11.20 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: yes. |
| 06:11.24 | pajama | hi, I tried to install Debian following this procedure: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 06:11.27 | weedar | trave11er: yes |
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| 06:11.32 | gskillet | anyone here used kismet before? |
| 06:11.34 | trave11er | weedar: but does CAP_SYS_MODULE have a star in front of it? |
| 06:11.36 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: but that's really a function of my client... |
| 06:11.36 | PeTiLLoN | where can i find the command to lauch liquid weather |
| 06:11.37 | pajama | but when I booted again, the server didn't come back |
| 06:11.41 | spdf | gskillet, about 25mins ago :) |
| 06:11.43 | PeTiLLoN | i do load a theme from superkaramba |
| 06:11.47 | PeTiLLoN | :/ |
| 06:11.48 | weedar | trave11er: indeed it does |
| 06:11.50 | trave11er | weedar: does it look like this: 16) *CAP_SYS_MODULE |
| 06:11.52 | dondelelcaro | PeTiLLoN: the theme should list the command |
| 06:12.00 | trave11er | weedar: hm |
| 06:12.01 | weedar | trave11er: yes |
| 06:12.07 | gskillet | spdf: nice, ive got a netgear card, but its not the one recommended, how do i figure out what to write in config for what type of card it is |
| 06:12.13 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: yeah. yes i am wired into the same router |
| 06:12.14 | pajama | my ISP tells me it's because the default kernel does not have support for via_rhine, the server did boot up, but I didn't have networjk support |
| 06:12.15 | robert | i've aliased my via_rhine ethernet card for dhcp-client in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases because it wasn't autodetected on the install, so far when i've ran ifup eth0, it brings up the eth0 and eth0:0, eth0:0 manages to grab an IP but I still can't do anything. any ideas? |
| 06:12.19 | trave11er | weedar: then i don't know why your module does not load :-P |
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| 06:12.25 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: just inplugging to test wireless, then plugging back in to work on it |
| 06:12.26 | pajama | what can I do? |
| 06:12.33 | weedar | trave11er: hehe, nice to know I'm not alone on that one at least ;) |
| 06:12.36 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: yeah, then you'll have to remove the default route to test the wireless |
| 06:12.48 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: otherwise it won't work |
| 06:12.55 | trave11er | weedar: you would get a "permission denied", if that capability would be removed |
| 06:12.56 | PeTiLLoN | i don't find it :/ |
| 06:13.07 | trave11er | but if it is allowed - go figure |
| 06:13.16 | spdf | gskillet, which chipset? prism54? |
| 06:13.29 | robert | dondelelcaro: so do i |
| 06:13.31 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: i will try that |
| 06:13.43 | gskillet | spdf: im not sure, its a PCI netgear card, i can check on the card itself (thats all i have) but ill need to pull it out of the comp |
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| 06:13.52 | kevincme | test test |
| 06:13.56 | dondelelcaro | well, it is slightly more complicated here, since I have a whole bunch of settings for eth1, but that's the basic idea |
| 06:14.01 | gskillet | spdf: i can do that and come back |
| 06:14.17 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: k, i got ifup: interface eth1 already configured |
| 06:14.26 | JosephSpiros | Hmm, what's with limits.conf(5) having documentation that differs from the documentation commented into /etc/security/limits.conf on my sarge box? |
| 06:14.30 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: you may need to ifdown eth1; ifup eth1; |
| 06:14.40 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: i did |
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| 06:14.54 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: no output when i did ifdown |
| 06:14.57 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: then ifup --force eth1; |
| 06:14.58 | gskillet | spdf: brb |
| 06:15.00 | kevincme | k |
| 06:15.14 | dondelelcaro | mmmm... Green Calx |
| 06:15.18 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: ... |
| 06:15.27 | kevincme | test |
| 06:15.36 | kevincme | ok |
| 06:15.55 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: yes, it's working |
| 06:15.56 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: awesome |
| 06:16.32 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: is there a way to automate ifup along with startup? |
| 06:16.53 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: if you have auto eth0; or auto eth1; in your /etc/network/interfaces; that interface will come up during startup. |
| 06:16.57 | dondelelcaro | kevincme: man 5 interfaces; for details |
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| 06:17.30 | kevincme | dondelelcaro: roger. thanks very much, i appreciate the help |
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| 06:19.02 | dbeal | Hey! Calm down you guys. |
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| 06:21.07 | ruru | hi, anyone know how to use mod_rewrite. I want all request to http://www.abc.com/stats/abcd1234.html direct to the real address http://www.abc.com/stats.php?hash=abcd1234 |
| 06:22.13 | Guerin | ruru: #apache |
| 06:22.32 | ruru | Guerin: thank you |
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| 06:22.40 | Guerin | ruru: you're welcome |
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| 06:24.03 | kooldeb | bob2: are you around ? |
| 06:24.37 | bob2 | no |
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| 06:25.07 | kooldeb | bob2: oh ok. whats the "clean" way to exit out of UML ? |
| 06:25.20 | bob2 | shut it down |
| 06:25.26 | martinholz | now that sarge became stable, i get an error running "apt-get update": http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ testing/non-US main contrib non-free 404 not found. I kept testing-tree in /etc/apt/sources.list. Do i have to change this to "stable", or am i just too blind to see? |
| 06:25.35 | dondelelcaro | martinholz: see /topic |
| 06:25.44 | kooldeb | bob2: poweroff ? |
| 06:25.54 | bob2 | halt |
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| 06:26.26 | ugly | why is it that the firefox package doesn't include those fox+globe icons? |
| 06:26.30 | kooldeb | bob2: ait cool. I could actually create folders and they were still there when I rebooted. |
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| 06:26.48 | bob2 | ugly: because the firefox people don't let anyone do that |
| 06:26.52 | Guerin | ugly: they're not dfsg free, and can't be distributed with modified mozilla packages. |
| 06:26.58 | ugly | lame |
| 06:27.07 | bob2 | yeah |
| 06:27.14 | Guerin | ugly: they don't want their trademark diluted, but yeah, I agree. |
| 06:27.22 | spoofer | Hi all I have got a little problem here with exim4, I would like to delete a message which is on queue. I use mailq -Mrm but exim says the message is locked.. What can I do? |
| 06:27.27 | Guerin | ugly: there's a lot written about it on mozilla.org |
| 06:27.45 | ugly | Guerin: your explanation was enough, thanks :P |
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| 06:28.45 | jair | guys I am trying to copy some files from linuxbox1 to linuxbox2 but I want to use the konsole and sftp |
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| 06:28.56 | bob2 | sftp is a bad choice |
| 06:29.00 | bob2 | rsync works better |
| 06:29.13 | jair | I have this to boxes connected to the same network, same router, same subnet |
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| 06:29.24 | jair | bob2, how could I use it? |
| 06:29.32 | jair | bob2, totally new on rsyinc |
| 06:29.50 | martinholz | join #test |
| 06:29.55 | jair | this two computers are in the same network |
| 06:29.56 | jair | ok |
| 06:30.02 | bob2 | jair: rsync 1.2.3.4:/home/blah/foo/ ./blah/ |
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| 06:30.28 | jair | bob2, where 1.2.3.4 are directories? |
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| 06:30.36 | bob2 | no |
| 06:30.43 | bob2 | jair: where 1.2.3.4 is the ip of the other machine |
| 06:30.50 | glick | so when you partition the disks |
| 06:30.59 | jair | ohhh |
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| 06:31.17 | jair | bob2, ok I will put it here as an example ok |
| 06:31.20 | glick | you partition them as one single partition of LVM type if you wanna use LVM except with a seperate normal boot partition on the first bootable disk? |
| 06:31.25 | kooldeb | bob2: ok, I dont know if you have the same problem, but right after removing the hardware clock and restarting UML, it complains about the fsck thing. ok, I tried that but it does not work. Any feedback please ?? |
| 06:31.39 | bob2 | no, sorry |
| 06:31.44 | jair | this machine from where I am typing you is not the one that have the files |
| 06:31.55 | kooldeb | bob2, ait thanks. |
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| 06:32.27 | jair | so i have to type the rsync command from the machine that have the files originally |
| 06:32.40 | jair | bob2, so i have to type the rsync command from the machine that have the files originally? |
| 06:32.44 | bob2 | no |
| 06:32.49 | jair | ok |
| 06:32.49 | bob2 | you can go either way |
| 06:32.54 | jair | ohhh ok |
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| 06:33.16 | naoliv | How do I let, for example, everything inside myserver.com/dir using HTTPS, except myserver.com/dir/exception? |
| 06:33.37 | bob2 | .htaccess |
| 06:33.46 | bob2 | www.apache.org explains it |
| 06:34.00 | naoliv | bob2: Thanks |
| 06:34.41 | jair | bob2, I have to run rsync before execute it? example-> /etc/init.d/rsync start? |
| 06:34.50 | bob2 | no |
| 06:34.56 | jair | or once is installed I just have to execute it |
| 06:35.28 | martinholz | dondelelcaro: non-us is no more ... hmm ... are the former non-us-packages now included in "main"? |
| 06:35.35 | bob2 | yes |
| 06:35.37 | bob2 | or in the bin |
| 06:35.46 | Gnea | jair: best to use ssh as a transport agent with rsync |
| 06:36.24 | jair | Gnea, but I have this two machines in the same swutch |
| 06:36.29 | jair | switch |
| 06:36.33 | jair | same network |
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| 06:36.54 | peterS | jair: really you can run rsyncd if you want. nothing wrong with it |
| 06:36.55 | Silicon | still gotta watch out for the little people living inside the switch |
| 06:37.18 | Gnea | jair: it's up to you, just be sure rsyncd is listening on the proper interface/ip then |
| 06:37.42 | peterS | jair: but rsyncd does, I believe, require a separate plaintext-equivalent password file on the server it's running on, unless you are prepared to offer anonymous rsync. so there is that. |
| 06:38.29 | peterS | I'm not certain of that, come to think of it. perhaps it uses a challenge-response based on the /etc/shadow password. that would be a bit of a protocol but nothing impossible |
| 06:38.33 | jair | wow lot of good information |
| 06:38.47 | jair | Gnea, how can i see if rsyncd is listenin |
| 06:38.52 | jair | listening |
| 06:39.07 | Gnea | jair: netstat -nap | grep rsync |
| 06:39.16 | peterS | jair: you normally put it in /etc/inetd.conf, so grep for it there |
| 06:39.26 | Gnea | as root, of course, and it'll say if it's LISTENing |
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| 06:40.03 | jair | ok |
| 06:40.14 | jair | cool |
| 06:40.18 | peterS | Gnea: netstat -nap won't show rsync, it'll show port 873. so grep for 873, or don't use -n (: |
| 06:40.18 | Gnea | or |
| 06:40.25 | Gnea | netstat -nap | grep 873 |
| 06:40.35 | Gnea | peterS: :) |
| 06:40.53 | peterS | Gnea: still easier to just grep /etc/inetd.conf and assume that inetd is doing its job (: |
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| 06:41.21 | Gnea | i prefer not to assume if i don't have to |
| 06:41.22 | jair | it works |
| 06:41.26 | jair | caracas:~# netstat -nap |grep 873 |
| 06:41.27 | jair | unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 10873 4645/kdeinit: ksmse /tmp/.ICE-unix/4645 |
| 06:41.31 | jair | this is the info |
| 06:41.39 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:41.41 | peterS | jair: nah, 10873 isn't 873 |
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| 06:41.42 | Gnea | no |
| 06:41.48 | gskillet | spdf: you still here? |
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| 06:41.51 | Gnea | jair: that's a unix socket info line |
| 06:41.56 | jair | ok now I am typing from the computer that do not have the file |
| 06:41.59 | Gnea | jair: do a netstat -nap on its own |
| 06:42.04 | jair | ok |
| 06:42.11 | Gnea | you'll see the difference then |
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| 06:43.17 | jair | it gave me a lot of details |
| 06:43.22 | jair | \and other things connected |
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| 06:43.28 | Gnea | good :) |
| 06:43.36 | Gnea | should be easy to figure out |
| 06:44.01 | Gnea | but quite likely, rsyncd is not running |
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| 06:45.03 | peterS | Gnea: remember, rsyncd doesn't run directly, it runs out of inetd. usually. so you can't just grep a process list in any case |
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| 06:45.37 | Gnea | peterS: but we already established that the port number was key |
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| 06:46.11 | peterS | Gnea: true. I told him to grep /etc/inetd.conf first because it's less complicated than remembering netstat flags, and second because that also tells him how to fix it if rsyncd *isn't* running |
| 06:46.24 | kjparker | is having "testing" the same as having "etch" in your sources.list |
| 06:46.30 | Gnea | peterS: personally, i'd rather run it out of init.d rather than inetd |
| 06:46.51 | peterS | Gnea: shrug. startup overhead for something like rsyncd is awfully small. you could go either way |
| 06:46.52 | Gnea | peterS: exactly, good to have all bases covered :) |
| 06:47.03 | peterS | kjparker: yes, testing == etch |
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| 06:47.26 | Gnea | brings new meaning to the phrase etch-a-sketch |
| 06:47.29 | peterS | kjparker: until etch releases, then testing will be something else and etch will be stable. that's when it'll matter which your sources.list says |
| 06:47.32 | jair | where could I find couple of examples about use the rsync command? |
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| 06:47.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:48.06 | Gnea | jair: the manpage, also check out /usr/share/doc/rsync/ |
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| 06:48.31 | kjparker | that's what i though, i just did a dist-upgrade with my sources set to testing |
| 06:48.46 | kjparker | and my version still reports 3.1... is that right? |
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| 06:49.07 | Fry | how do I copy from one computer to another over a network? |
| 06:49.14 | peterS | kjparker: the version string only changes when someone manually updates the base-files package. this is usually done late in the development cycle |
| 06:49.24 | peterS | Fry: rsync is an excellent choice |
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| 06:49.38 | Fry | I'm ssh'd into another box, and I want to copy from my box to the box I'm ssh'd into |
| 06:49.58 | Fry | rsync you say... |
| 06:50.16 | Fry | How exactly would that work? |
| 06:50.35 | peterS | Fry: yeah, from your box: rsync -a my_dir remotehost:/path/where/my_dir/goes/ |
| 06:50.48 | kjparker | it wasn't a big update either.... |
| 06:50.53 | Fry | do both boxes need rsync? |
| 06:50.59 | peterS | Fry: you might add other flags like -v and -z |
| 06:51.05 | peterS | Fry: yes, they both need rsync installed |
| 06:51.09 | Fry | -v == verbose? |
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| 06:51.19 | peterS | yeah |
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| 06:51.24 | Fry | and -z ? |
| 06:51.24 | peterS | and -z is gzip compression |
| 06:51.31 | jair | Gnea, thank you and thank you all you guys |
| 06:51.31 | peterS | Fry: if you don't want to install rsync at both ends, you can use scp or sftp, both of which come with ssh |
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| 06:51.45 | Fry | nah, I'll do rsync |
| 06:51.53 | peterS | Fry: rsync with the syntax I gave you opens an ssh connection as the transport mechanism |
| 06:52.11 | peterS | Fry: but then again, so do scp and sftp (: |
| 06:52.12 | Fry | what is the point of -z? |
| 06:52.33 | peterS | Fry: compressing data in the pipe. assuming your CPUs are faster than your network, it's a win |
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| 06:52.52 | LinuxNIT | how do i get a list of computers connected to my dhcp server? |
| 06:52.55 | Fry | well, local is a 1.5ghz athlon, and remote is a 450mhz k6-2 |
| 06:53.08 | peterS | Fry: probably a win. you can certainly benchmark it either way |
| 06:53.16 | Fry | okay |
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| 06:53.27 | Fry | so, rsync -a -v -z ? |
| 06:53.31 | Fry | or -avz? |
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| 06:53.42 | tcsetattr | LinuxNIT, look at /var/lib/dhcp/leases |
| 06:53.44 | peterS | Fry: well, -avz is how I type it. also... pay attention to trailing slashes on the source location |
| 06:53.53 | LinuxNIT | thanks tcsetattr |
| 06:54.02 | Fry | trailing slashes? |
| 06:54.10 | peterS | Fry: foo/ means copy everything *inside* foo to the remote end but don't create a subdir foo/ to put it all in. 'foo' means do create the subdir |
| 06:54.32 | peterS | Fry: it's kind of a tricky point since things like 'cp' don't make that distinction |
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| 06:54.54 | Fry | er, so I have to make the directory before I copy stuff into it? |
| 06:54.58 | peterS | Fry: finally, the rsync -a flag means recurse subdirs, retain file timestamps and permissions and symlinks and so forth |
| 06:55.18 | peterS | Fry: well, 'rsync -a foo remote:/tmp' would create a /tmp/foo at the remote end |
| 06:55.32 | Fry | ohhh, okay! |
| 06:55.36 | peterS | Fry: whereas 'rsync -a foo/ remote:/tmp' would just dump everything from foo/ straight into /tmp/ at the other end |
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| 06:55.58 | Fry | okay, so no trailing slash |
| 06:56.00 | peterS | Fry: remote:/tmp and remote:/tmp/ mean the same thing. I usually write remote:/tmp/ for the sake of my own mind |
| 06:56.25 | peterS | Fry: that is, on the destination, the trailing slash does not matter. at the source, it does. either source or destination can be the remote end |
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| 06:56.39 | HansZ | lo folks |
| 06:56.58 | HansZ | I'm trying to play mp3 files on my 120mhz laptop, however it sounds like crap! (it worked perfectly before) |
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| 06:57.11 | Fry | peterS, I believe you have successfully confused me ;P |
| 06:57.48 | peterS | Fry: that last bit means: you can do 'rsync remote:/foo/bar /tmp/' and it'll create a /tmp/bar on the local machine. you can copy either direction, that is. |
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| 06:58.20 | gskillet | Anyone know how to add a Connection to Network Settings? |
| 06:58.25 | ravn | anyone who has experienced the Samsung YP-MT6 and Debian? How do they work together? |
| 06:58.26 | jetscreamer | ?? |
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| 06:58.34 | gskillet | it shows an Add button in Help but there isn't one in the actual window |
| 06:58.49 | jetscreamer | as root maybe |
| 06:59.04 | gskillet | but i cant login GUI root |
| 06:59.12 | Fry | rsync -avz copies subfolders too? |
| 06:59.16 | liable | !test |
| 06:59.16 | gskillet | so how else would i get to this window |
| 06:59.17 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you're still online. |
| 06:59.31 | peterS | Fry: that's what -a means, yeah |
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| 06:59.39 | Fry | okay |
| 06:59.42 | Fry | cool :) |
| 06:59.50 | peterS | Fry: -a is short for a bunch of flags that, taken together, mean copy everything including whole directories |
| 06:59.52 | Fry | thanks much dude :) |
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| 06:59.57 | peterS | np |
| 07:00.27 | Fry | ah okay, it's just copying the folders last :) |
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| 07:01.17 | peterS | Fry: heh, perhaps. also, -P is an interesting flag for getting more real-time information about file transfer progress. |
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| 07:04.10 | Fry | peterS, hmm, thanks :) I'll check it out |
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| 07:05.45 | gskillet | is there any way to give my user account root access? i cant do simple tasks like delete a file, or add a network connection without root, and i need to be in GUI, so can i just give my gui user more power? |
| 07:06.24 | gskillet | i dont want to have to delete a file via terminal every time |
| 07:07.00 | tcsetattr | is deleting system files really an everyday activity for you? |
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| 07:08.19 | gskillet | not system files |
| 07:08.25 | gskillet | but folders from downloads etc |
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| 07:08.41 | peterS | tcsetattr: "that stuff in C:\Windows\System32, none of it looked interesting, so.." |
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| 07:09.09 | peterS | hmmm, I suppose C:\WINNT\System32 is more common |
| 07:09.56 | hejux_ | hi |
| 07:10.04 | shark` | both of them |
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| 07:10.14 | shark` | depends if you run win2k or winXP |
| 07:10.25 | peterS | shark`: oh really? nifty |
| 07:10.35 | Nigel | #ldap is dead, so i'll try here, converting from NIS to LDAP and i'm getting the following problem: atm the computer hosting LDAP (and setup to use it) refuses outside connects (i.e. ssh gives "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)."), and locally it will just login with the username (no password) |
| 07:10.40 | tcsetattr | gskillet, if you don't DOWNLOAD things as root, you won't have to be root to delete them later! |
| 07:10.47 | PeTiLLoN | heeeeeeelp me! |
| 07:10.49 | Nigel | it's a fully debian network too |
| 07:10.54 | Fry | blech, horrible transfer rates... |
| 07:10.57 | PeTiLLoN | please :P |
| 07:10.58 | Fry | ~2.5MB/s |
| 07:11.12 | Nigel | i can get into the LDAP server etc, and query it |
| 07:11.16 | PeTiLLoN | i can't read anything on liquid weather |
| 07:11.27 | Nigel | PAM and NSS seem to have been configured correctly |
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| 07:11.55 | Guerin | Fry: get a real net connection |
| 07:11.57 | Guerin | jeeze |
| 07:12.11 | Fry | Guerin, this is local net... >.< |
| 07:12.18 | peterS | Fry: ssh encryption overhead isn't quite free, particularly with something like an old K6 |
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| 07:12.28 | Guerin | Fry: even weaker! |
| 07:12.35 | Fry | ooo, 3.5MB! |
| 07:12.38 | Fry | =-o! |
| 07:12.41 | Fry | 4.5! |
| 07:13.03 | peterS | Fry: you might configure ssh in ~/.ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config, 'Ciphers=arcfour' gives you the fastest cipher |
| 07:13.14 | peterS | Fry: that's on the client |
| 07:13.28 | Guerin | if you're local, just use rsync |
| 07:13.40 | Fry | peterS, not really worried about it ;P This is just giving me time to keep sharing gta5 |
| 07:13.41 | peterS | Fry: hmmm, I think I mean 'Ciphers arcfour' and you can add the others in there if you want, after it |
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| 07:14.26 | Guerin | peterS: what's default? AES? |
| 07:14.32 | peterS | Fry: the other interesting ciphers are aes128-cbc,blowfish-cbc,3des-cbc. the last is slow but available everywhere. the list is comma-separated. |
| 07:14.37 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, aes128-cbc, I think |
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| 07:15.08 | mvhallac | hi. |
| 07:15.08 | Guerin | peterS: why use aes over arcfour? stronger? |
| 07:15.27 | peterS | Guerin: probably better studied and thus *considered* probably stronger. neither is known to be weak |
| 07:15.40 | Guerin | peterS: meaningfully stronger, I mean - not '100,000,000 years as opposed to 100,000,000,000 years' |
| 07:15.43 | mvhallac | Does anyone have any info one tsdev being used for usb mouse? |
| 07:15.47 | Guerin | peterS: right. |
| 07:15.52 | peterS | heh, yeah |
| 07:16.23 | c3_nice | Hiiiiiii |
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| 07:17.05 | mvhallac | I've been using my custom kernel happily, until I decided to join the fold, and use a debian kernel |
| 07:17.24 | mvhallac | now my mouse thinks it is a touchscreen device |
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| 07:17.41 | mvhallac | should I panic? |
| 07:17.53 | DB_ | When trying to upgrade a woody box to sarge, libpopt0 causes dpkg to segfault. Is this a known issue? |
| 07:17.58 | Guerin | mvhallac: heh. Nope, kernel will do that for you if you feed it the right garbage. |
| 07:18.19 | mvhallac | thx guerin. I'll try not to feed it anything then. :-) |
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| 07:18.37 | Fry | mvhallac, if it works, don't fuck with it ;D |
| 07:18.43 | Guerin | DB_: segfaults in dpkg are never a known issue. I suggest apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 07:18.44 | Fry | I've learned that, over and over again |
| 07:18.45 | mvhallac | it doesn't |
| 07:18.51 | Fry | oh...haha |
| 07:18.58 | Fry | then...um...fuck with it! :D |
| 07:19.00 | mvhallac | That is, my xconfig tries to use the ouse device, which no longer exists |
| 07:19.01 | Guerin | mvhallac: usb mouse? what kernel? |
| 07:19.15 | mvhallac | both 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 did the same thing |
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| 07:19.20 | Guerin | !drxx mvhallac |
| 07:19.21 | dpkg | mvhallac: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 07:19.35 | Guerin | mvhallac: choose /dev/input/mice and (probably) imps/2 |
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| 07:19.49 | DB_ | Guerin: That would result in the removal of ssh and perl |
| 07:19.54 | DB_ | ..and ntp |
| 07:19.55 | Ledd | hello all |
| 07:19.56 | mvhallac | well, that's just it. I no longer have dev/input/mice |
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| 07:20.01 | Guerin | DB_: that's bad. |
| 07:20.04 | DB_ | Indeed |
| 07:20.05 | mvhallac | it is /dev/input/ts0 |
| 07:20.13 | mvhallac | and it is not a mouse anymore |
| 07:20.30 | DB_ | perhaps my download of libpopt0 was corrupted |
| 07:20.34 | Guerin | DB_: any other error message from dpkg? |
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| 07:20.47 | Guerin | DB_: broken pipe, trying to overwrite a file, etc.? |
| 07:20.53 | Ledd | does bind needs to be installed so that internet connection sharing will work? |
| 07:21.02 | DB_ | Unpacking replacement libpopt0 ... |
| 07:21.02 | DB_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 07:21.07 | Guerin | Ledd: absolutely not. apt-get install ipmasq |
| 07:21.09 | inimicus | where can i doenload the debian amd64 full version |
| 07:21.12 | DB_ | Guerin: That's all I get |
| 07:21.41 | Guerin | DB_: ok. try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libpopt0<tab> |
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| 07:21.55 | Guerin | DB_: if that fails due to dependencies, use --force-depends |
| 07:22.08 | DB_ | Unpacking replacement libpopt0 ... |
| 07:22.08 | DB_ | Segmentation fault |
| 07:22.12 | Guerin | wheee |
| 07:22.19 | DB_ | Helpful, huh? :-\ |
| 07:22.22 | Ledd | Guerin: i have installed ipmasq. still cannot share inet connection.. do i need to configure route? |
| 07:22.24 | Guerin | that's way funky |
| 07:22.25 | bob2 | Id guess bad ram |
| 07:22.28 | bob2 | or a corrupt .deb |
| 07:22.40 | DB_ | I'll try getting it from a different apt source |
| 07:22.46 | Guerin | Ledd: you have to tell your client to use the ipmasq box as a gateway |
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| 07:23.14 | mvhallac | dpkg: Do you mean I should reconfigure my xfree to use a touchscreen device? |
| 07:23.46 | mvhallac | I think I jusr did something stupid. :-P |
| 07:23.58 | streuner | Ledd: setting interfaces is usually enough, what Guerin already told you |
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| 07:24.42 | nse | !tell inimicus about d-i |
| 07:24.46 | Ledd | Guerin: the client box is pointing to ipmasq box as gateway. do i also need to enter address of dns? |
| 07:25.40 | DB_ | Guerin: Downloaded it from a different apt source...same result |
| 07:25.55 | Revelation | *aw* |
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| 07:26.11 | theturtle | how do merge 2 directories? |
| 07:26.18 | mvhallac | DB_: Do you feel adventurous? |
| 07:26.23 | bob2 | theturtle: define merge |
| 07:26.29 | bob2 | theturtle: putting all files in one is easy |
| 07:26.31 | theturtle | ~/test/dir1 has 3 files in it and i want to merge it with ~/test2/dir1 which has 3 other files, but i don't want anything to be overwritten |
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| 07:26.51 | theturtle | so i end up with ~/test2/dir1 which has all 6 files |
| 07:27.04 | DB_ | mvhallac: Not tonight, I don't. :) I think I'll put off anything other than ridiculously easy troubleshooting until tomorrow |
| 07:27.18 | theturtle | sure i could just cd into it and do mv * but this is an example. there are several subdirs |
| 07:27.20 | DB_ | It's an old box...A pentium 90 |
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| 07:27.34 | mvhallac | Oh, OK. I was about to suggest trying to extract contents to a temp directory by hand. |
| 07:27.45 | mvhallac | Just to see if it would crash |
| 07:27.47 | tcsetattr | so what exactly is wrong with mv? Use mv -i if you want to avoid replacing existing files |
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| 07:27.53 | Ledd | Guerin: it was working fine previously before i upgraded to sarge |
| 07:28.16 | theturtle | tcsetattr: mv -i ~/test1/dir1 ~/test2/dir1 gives me |
| 07:28.25 | theturtle | mv: cannot overwrite directory `../.test2/dir' |
| 07:28.26 | DB_ | mvhallac: Extracts fine with dpkg -x |
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| 07:28.57 | Guerin | DB_: run memtest86 overnight on it |
| 07:29.10 | mvhallac | DB_: Ridiculously easy is out of the question, then. :-( |
| 07:29.29 | DB_ | Guerin: Unfortunately, that's not possible -- it's my router/firewall box |
| 07:29.31 | Guerin | DB_: also consider reinstalling libc6 -- apt-get install --reinstall libc6 might do it |
| 07:29.35 | Guerin | DB_: oh. |
| 07:29.54 | leoster | how can i change the default x session from kde to gnome, i am using vnc and i would like to connect through gnome rather than kde. |
| 07:30.06 | streuner | inimicus: Dont initiate an DCC Chat |
| 07:30.34 | streuner | inimicus: use the channel here and keep the convo *here* |
| 07:31.17 | theturtle | hence my issue |
| 07:31.28 | DB_ | Thanks for the help, anyhow. I'll work on it more tomorrow |
| 07:31.32 | mvhallac | If nobody has any more suggestions I'll go and bang my head against the wall a few times. |
| 07:31.43 | mvhallac | If I find the right wall, I might get it to work. :-) |
| 07:31.46 | tcsetattr | turtle, mv -i ~/test1/dir1/* ~/test2/dir1 |
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| 07:31.50 | Guerin | mvhallac: good luck with that |
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| 07:32.02 | streuner | Guerin: hehe :-) |
| 07:32.18 | samuella | Hi, I'm having a little trouble mounting a usb device |
| 07:32.20 | streuner | mvhallac: i rather doubt that will help with your debian problems... ;-) |
| 07:32.27 | mvhallac | Guerin: Thanx. |
| 07:32.32 | streuner | samuella: digi camera? |
| 07:32.38 | samuella | yes |
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| 07:32.51 | inimicus | where can i download debian for a amd athlon 64 not netinst |
| 07:32.54 | Guerin | samuella: are you sure it's mountable as usb-storage? |
| 07:32.57 | wishie | where can i check the status of Xorg going into Debian ? |
| 07:32.57 | Gnea | !uml |
| 07:32.57 | dpkg | it has been said that uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches |
| 07:33.00 | streuner | samuella: if the digi-camera has no usb-storage just use ghoto2 |
| 07:33.03 | samuella | Yes, i'm pretty sure |
| 07:33.05 | mvhallac | streuner: You'd be surprised |
| 07:33.06 | streuner | samuella: if the digi-camera has no usb-storage just use gphoto2 |
| 07:33.11 | samuella | Okay |
| 07:33.14 | Guerin | wishie: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 07:33.15 | Ledd | !ipmasq |
| 07:33.16 | dpkg | IP masquerading allows several machines to share one Internet connection. Learn about it at http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html or don't mix the slink ipmasq deb and a 2.2.x kernel, or available at ipmasq.cjb.net, or ipmasq package is evil, before coming here to ask help with unexpected network problems, first remove it! See also: masq |
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| 07:33.26 | inimicus | where can i download debian for a amd athlon 64 bit not net inastal |
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| 07:33.33 | Guerin | wtf, ipmasq is not evil |
| 07:33.39 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 07:33.40 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq, or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/ |
| 07:33.44 | bob2 | inimicus: #debian-amd64 |
| 07:33.45 | tcsetattr | how often do people need to be told about running 2.2 kernels with slink these days? |
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| 07:33.59 | streuner | !factinfo ipmasq |
| 07:34.00 | dpkg | ipmasq -- last modified at Wed Jun 13 04:57:09 2001 by lfilipoz!lfilipoz@209.53.24.96; it has been requested 100 times, last by Ledd, 44s ago. |
| 07:34.04 | Guerin | inimicus: http://teh.intar.webs |
| 07:34.09 | nse | it does make any sense to add this line: "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" to my sources.list ? |
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| 07:34.10 | Gnea | tcsetattr: there are never enough opportunities! :) |
| 07:34.26 | peterS | nse: if you use etch, yeah. eventually it'll have anything in it |
| 07:34.46 | samuella | Gphoto2 isn't detecting my camera, either :( |
| 07:34.50 | peterS | nse: for awhile it probably won't, depending on how much the security team cares |
| 07:34.56 | Guerin | nothing there now, though,a nd it'll cause apt-get update to error |
| 07:35.13 | peterS | Guerin: really? the url doesn't even work? that's sloppy of them.. |
| 07:35.15 | streuner | samuella: gphoto2 --list-files |
| 07:35.23 | nse | peterS: but in the unstable version it makes no sense, right? |
| 07:35.28 | peterS | nse: correct |
| 07:35.34 | Guerin | samuella: modprobe usb-storage, plug the camera in and look at dmesg |
| 07:35.43 | inimicus | is page is ingorrect |
| 07:35.54 | peterS | nse: well, you still *can* put it in there and if it happens that the security team gets something out before the maintainer does, you'll be the first to know |
| 07:35.57 | Guerin | peterS: well, 'testing' doesn't work, presumably etch doesn't either |
| 07:36.00 | peterS | nse: etch/updates that is, not sid/updates |
| 07:36.09 | samuella | Guerin, It still says it can't detect a camera |
| 07:36.16 | streuner | samuella: if it has usb-storage just use 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' |
| 07:36.23 | samuella | Okay, thanks |
| 07:36.25 | peterS | Guerin: I haven't evaluated the post-sarge situation yet. does etch itself work? |
| 07:37.03 | Ledd | http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html cannot connect |
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| 07:37.21 | streuner | samuella: that will show you, does the system detect your camera (needs: modprobe ide-scsi) |
| 07:37.30 | inimicus | firefox said that this is an incorrect side |
| 07:37.39 | samuella | Streuner, yes, it detects it |
| 07:37.42 | Guerin | peterS: i dunno, I only run sarge and sid :) |
| 07:37.48 | nse | peterS: ok |
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| 07:38.02 | streuner | samuella: gphoto2 is much easier |
| 07:38.22 | Guerin | inimicus: which? |
| 07:38.33 | streuner | inimicus: paste the URL |
| 07:38.33 | samuella | Is there any way I could just mount the camera like a drive, and then copy the images to hd? |
| 07:38.33 | nse | Guerin: me to, I'm just thinking about when to move to etch.. |
| 07:38.35 | inimicus | the first one |
| 07:38.53 | Guerin | inimicus: http://the.first.one fails for me too |
| 07:38.55 | streuner | samuella: well, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media |
| 07:39.01 | samuella | Okay, thanks |
| 07:39.13 | streuner | Guerin: thats an horrible situation... |
| 07:39.19 | Guerin | nse: naw, i want to keep my server as sarge, and my desktop and laptop are sid already, so there's no going back |
| 07:39.25 | tub | how can I remove gnome and all files related to it |
| 07:39.32 | streuner | Guerin: /msg dpkg amd64 and try the URL |
| 07:39.32 | tub | libraries etc |
| 07:39.37 | nse | Guerin: do not make him go crazy, look his english, he is having some troubles to communicate |
| 07:39.44 | streuner | tub: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 07:39.48 | Guerin | ok, ok, sorry. |
| 07:40.01 | tub | streuner: thanks |
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| 07:40.18 | streuner | tub: sid? |
| 07:40.26 | inimicus | i only want th elink for downloading debian 64 bit |
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| 07:40.50 | nse | inimicus: it is not wrong, maybe you're not typing the correct URL in your browser |
| 07:40.53 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge gnome* |
| 07:40.53 | Xuse | newsforge sucks, never read the comments. |
| 07:41.11 | samuella | steuner: I tried running that, but I got an error "mount: mount point /media does not exist" |
| 07:41.22 | Guerin | um, the top link works fone for me and gives me http://amd64.debian.net/, which has an installer etc. |
| 07:41.43 | Guerin | inimicus: http://amd64.debian.net/ |
| 07:41.50 | liable | hmm, if i can ping my wireless router from my debian laptop, and can ping my router and linux laptop from win, but I cant ping the win box from my laptop, then thats gotta be the win boxes fault right? |
| 07:41.51 | Gnea | why the hell is UML so difficult to get up and running in sarge? |
| 07:41.52 | tub | streuner: no just updating woody to sarge and I don't need gnome or kde (taking too much space) |
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| 07:42.00 | Gnea | the uml-utilities are there |
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| 07:42.03 | Gnea | the docs are there |
| 07:42.09 | Gnea | but it says type 'linux ...' |
| 07:42.14 | Gnea | but there is no 'linux' command |
| 07:42.15 | inimicus | and which one i had to download |
| 07:42.25 | Gnea | and there is no support channel on freenode |
| 07:42.44 | bob2 | Gnea: http://crumbs.ertius.org/~rob/uml_howto.txt |
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| 07:43.17 | nse | inimicus: the one that you want, if your arch is amd64 so you have to get the amd64 debian version |
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| 07:44.06 | inimicus | i need this folder right? |
| 07:44.13 | Gnea | bob2: hrm.... |
| 07:44.20 | bob2 | I wrote that yesterday |
| 07:44.22 | bob2 | worked for me! |
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| 07:45.28 | nse | does debian support amd64 arch? |
| 07:45.43 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 07:45.43 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq, or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/ |
| 07:45.43 | peterS | nse: no, not officially. see amd64.debian.net for the unofficial port |
| 07:45.43 | streuner | not official yet |
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| 07:46.03 | streuner | nse: but soon amd64 is in debian |
| 07:46.44 | Gnea | bob2++ |
| 07:46.52 | streuner | nse: what peterS told you already, amd64 isnt official |
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| 07:47.01 | streuner | nse:... |
| 07:47.19 | liable | whats the windows channel? |
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| 07:47.47 | streuner | liable: dont ask for a windows channel here on freenode. |
| 07:47.48 | leoster | hello, how can i change the default x session from kde to gnome, i am using vnc and i would like to connect through gnome rather than kde. |
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| 07:48.04 | nse | streuner: but look at this: "The AMD64 port will be added to the official archives after Sarge is released. The next stable Debian release, codename Etch, will have native amd64 support." from here: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
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| 07:48.17 | itior | hi all, i just download the sarge net install, and when it gets up to the network detection phase it doesnt detect my wireless network card. anything i can do? or do i have to download all the cds |
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| 07:48.22 | streuner | nse: scroll up what i told you |
| 07:48.27 | spdf | nse, After doesn't neccesarily mean right away... |
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| 07:48.56 | HansZ | why does apt-get remove kde has no affect? |
| 07:49.03 | spdf | itior, What brand/model of card? |
| 07:49.08 | HansZ | i'm still getting kde loaded after 'startx' :/ |
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| 07:49.12 | spdf | HansZ, because its a meta package. Other packages depend on it.. |
| 07:49.15 | streuner | HansZ: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 07:49.21 | HansZ | streuner: thanks |
| 07:49.26 | HansZ | window 4 |
| 07:49.29 | itior | spdf: dlink something, ill just check |
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| 07:49.48 | nse | inimicus: you're with some troubles then, amd64 is not official supported, probably, you can search for and .iso here: http://amd64.debian.net/ |
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| 07:50.10 | itior | spdf: dlink dwl-g520+ |
| 07:50.10 | nse | *officially |
| 07:50.20 | inimicus | is this a iso |
| 07:50.30 | BorisHanselmann | Hi ... does anyone have a link to an tutorial how to create custom .deb packages? |
| 07:50.40 | HansZ | BorisHanselmann: man dpkg? |
| 07:51.22 | nse | leoster: are you using any kind of desktop manager? |
| 07:51.33 | bob2 | BorisHanselmann: http://www.debian.org/devel/, new maintainer's guide |
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| 07:51.36 | HansZ | what does the --purge thingy at apt-get? |
| 07:51.38 | bob2 | HansZ: that's not very helpful |
| 07:51.46 | HansZ | bob2: it is |
| 07:52.05 | bob2 | no, it's not |
| 07:52.13 | BorisHanselmann | bob2, HansZ: thanks :) |
| 07:52.22 | HansZ | He asked for a manual, I told him were |
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| 07:52.37 | itior | spdf: could it because im trying to use the 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:52.55 | spdf | itior, If the kernel is earlier than 2.6.5, then yes |
| 07:52.57 | karsten | HansZ: the dpkg manpage doesn't detail the process of building a package, it describes use of the dpkg command and its options. |
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| 07:53.19 | HansZ | karsten: oh, then i'm sorry.. |
| 07:53.20 | itior | spdf: i just d/led the default iso, and then did linux26 at the prompt because it wouldnt detect the sata drivers properly |
| 07:53.29 | itior | spdf: so what should i do from here? |
| 07:53.32 | spdf | itior, Are you able to plug in with ethernet? |
| 07:53.44 | itior | spdf: not really |
| 07:53.56 | spdf | itior, The easiest route would be to install with a wired connection, and update the kernel when you're up and running.. |
| 07:54.12 | karsten | HansZ: The Debian New Package Maintainer's Guide is probably a better reference. |
| 07:54.49 | itior | spdf: is there any net inst isos that use the 2.6.5 kernel? |
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| 07:55.37 | bobbens | itior: AFAIK no |
| 07:55.44 | rixth | Okay, I've done a netinstal, I've apt-getted x-window-system and gnome-desktop, where do I go from here? |
| 07:56.06 | bobbens | rixth: whatever you want? |
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| 07:56.43 | vhuren | how do I add a job to cron? |
| 07:56.52 | bob2 | vhuren: crontab -e |
| 07:56.53 | rixth | I'm currently at a command line, how do I start Gnome? |
| 07:56.53 | spdf | vhuren, crontab |
| 07:57.02 | spdf | rixth, startx |
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| 07:57.05 | bob2 | rixth: startx /usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 07:57.08 | vhuren | thanx bob2 and spdf ;) |
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| 07:57.34 | rixth | fatal io error 104 connection reset by peer |
| 07:57.52 | bobbens | rixth: try using xf86config to configure your x-server |
| 07:57.57 | bob2 | rixth: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:58.04 | bob2 | then try again |
| 07:58.04 | rixth | and (EE) failed to find frambuffer device |
| 07:58.07 | rixth | okay |
| 07:58.15 | bob2 | rixth: (disable use of the framebuffer) |
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| 07:58.38 | rixth | I have a USB mouse, should I go "Auto"? |
| 07:58.41 | Gnea | bob2: this is driving me nuts - does the host kernel have to have some sort of patch applied to it for this to work? |
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| 07:59.01 | peterS | rixth: ExplorerPS/2 is a good safe choice |
| 07:59.04 | itior | thanks guys, guess ill go try ubuntu or smth :) |
| 07:59.07 | jaalto | rixth: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager && startx |
| 07:59.19 | itior | *duck* |
| 07:59.24 | Gnea | linux ubd0=debian_installer ubd1=root_fisy ubd3=swapfs |
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| 07:59.38 | Gnea | Checking for the skas3 patch in the host...not found |
| 07:59.38 | bob2 | Gnea: no |
| 07:59.38 | Gnea | Checking for /proc/mm...not found |
| 07:59.41 | Gnea | ok |
| 07:59.54 | Gnea | bob2: but it gets to a point where it just panics |
| 07:59.56 | rixth | Do I want to slect additional XKB options? |
| 07:59.57 | bob2 | Gnea: if you apply the skas3 patch to the host, it just makes the guest run faster |
| 08:00.03 | bob2 | Gnea: does the image I pointed tou at work? |
| 08:00.12 | spdf | itior, You could easily download a debian kernel package and burn it to an rw.. |
| 08:00.15 | Gnea | hrm sec |
| 08:00.27 | Gnea | i was trying my own with a root.img installer for sarge |
| 08:00.35 | Guerin | ubuntu uses a 2.6.5 kernel for its installer? |
| 08:00.40 | bobbens | itior: or you can use a "live distro" to do repairs by chrooting after booting up. |
| 08:00.44 | bob2 | Gnea: no |
| 08:00.47 | bob2 | er, Guerin |
| 08:00.54 | Guerin | didn't figure so |
| 08:00.57 | streuner | Guerin: he made a joke |
| 08:01.08 | Guerin | streuner: a joke? What's that? |
| 08:01.14 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
| 08:01.15 | itior | spdf: ahh im a total noob o.o |
| 08:01.52 | spdf | itior, If you can't plug into ethernet, then I don't know what to tell you.. |
| 08:02.07 | rixth | "Failed to open filename for writing" |
| 08:02.26 | spdf | itior, What other kinds of partitions are on the machine? |
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| 08:02.53 | Gnea | bob2: same thing |
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| 08:03.06 | itior | spdf: there's one 120gb sata drive for windows, and a 200gb sata drive with nothing atm |
| 08:03.08 | spdf | itior, If you're not going to wipe the disk, you can save the file on one of the partitions and mount it after installation.. |
| 08:03.08 | Gnea | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2005-06-11 03:05 root_fs -> Debian-3.0r2.ext2 |
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| 08:03.26 | inicehyena | hi all, how do I convert a ps file into pdf? |
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| 08:04.06 | caphuso | inicehyena: ps2pdf |
| 08:04.07 | bob2 | Gnea: when running it with NO arguments? |
| 08:04.11 | karsten | inicehyena: ps2pdf |
| 08:04.16 | inicehyena | thanks guys! |
| 08:04.25 | rixth | I was given two commands, what was the other? xf86config and? |
| 08:04.43 | jaalto | inicehyena: apt-get install gs-common && man ps2pdf |
| 08:04.44 | Gnea | bob2: errr... :) |
| 08:04.44 | rixth | I still get conection reset by peer |
| 08:04.58 | bobbens | rixth: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:05.12 | Gnea | oh snap |
| 08:05.15 | elephant | HI all |
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| 08:05.25 | elephant | How to put a whole file lowercase in vim ? |
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| 08:05.46 | tcsetattr | elephant: ggguG |
| 08:06.09 | peterS | elephant: there's some easy way, but why not just sed -i 'y/A-Z/a-z/' the file? |
| 08:06.20 | tcsetattr | gg (go to top of file) gu (changee to lower case from here to...) G (... end of file) |
| 08:06.22 | Gnea | bash-2.05a# mount -o rw,remount / |
| 08:06.31 | Gnea | bash-2.05a# update-rc.d -f hwclock.sh remove |
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| 08:06.50 | Gnea | bob2: *note* :) |
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| 08:07.25 | elephant | tcsetattr: thanx a lot |
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| 08:08.54 | rixth | Well, I turned framebuffering off, X started, then I got an error "could not lookup the internet address for *MYHOSTNAME* Gnome may not work correctly" then an error saying something about that xscreensaver wont work for this session |
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| 08:09.26 | peterS | rixth: put '127.0.1.1 myhostname' in /etc/hosts, or something else that starts with 127, assuming you don't have a static IP address |
| 08:09.27 | Gnea | oh whoops |
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| 08:10.06 | rixth | peterS, what's the command to reconfigure the network? You get it when you install Debian |
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| 08:10.38 | peterS | rixth: etherconf, I believe. I just edit /etc/network/interfaces, 'man 5 interfaces' for details |
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| 08:11.57 | rixth | peterS, I only had an entry for localhost in hosts, added bear and all works well now :) I still get the screensaver error though |
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| 08:12.25 | pulaski | hello. |
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| 08:12.45 | pulaski | I'm generally pleased with sarge so far. |
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| 08:13.15 | spdf | pulaski, good to know. Whats the problem[s]? |
| 08:13.34 | spdf | rixth, Are you running X as root? |
| 08:13.39 | pulaski | x gave me a little trouble by crashing once. Nautilus hangs or won't start. mutt runs ok |
| 08:13.48 | pulaski | no never thanks |
| 08:13.50 | rixth | spdf, don't think so |
| 08:14.28 | tub | aptitude is much clearer than debconf |
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| 08:14.59 | Y0 | sori i have a trouble with an hp laserjet 1000 |
| 08:15.00 | pulaski | once x crashed an a bunch of consoles opened and flashed odd colors. But it happened only once. |
| 08:15.12 | pulaski | hmmmmm |
| 08:15.24 | pulaski | I have an HP 722 |
| 08:15.35 | pulaski | used pppa2ppn |
| 08:15.44 | pulaski | and lpr |
| 08:15.44 | rixth | "There was an error starting up the screensaver:" "Failed to execute child process "xscreensaver" (No such file or directory)" |
| 08:15.56 | Y0 | i followed all the steps of linuxprinting and nothing happened |
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| 08:16.06 | pulaski | lol |
| 08:16.21 | pulaski | gnome 8 is lovely |
| 08:16.23 | Y0 | i'm using foo2zjs |
| 08:16.25 | bobbens | rixth: try apt-get install xscreensaver |
| 08:16.50 | pulaski | pppa2ppm |
| 08:17.11 | pulaski | anyway has anyone here head of ununto? |
| 08:17.17 | pulaski | ubunto |
| 08:17.19 | bobbens | !ubunt |
| 08:17.20 | glick | excuse me im trying to ./configure gaim and it says i dont have GLib |
| 08:17.22 | Fry | I've heard of ubuntu... |
| 08:17.22 | bobbens | !ubuntu |
| 08:17.22 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 08:17.24 | glick | isnt GLib installed? |
| 08:17.28 | spdf | pulaski, its likely that we've all heard of it.. |
| 08:17.30 | rixth | It should know whether it's installed or not :) But alas, it is not! Gotta get ALSA going now. |
| 08:17.33 | glick | cayse like every app needs it |
| 08:17.37 | pulaski | Oh Thank you dpkg. |
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| 08:17.47 | pulaski | I was under the impression it was. |
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| 08:18.05 | rixth | http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html << That site really is very good. |
| 08:18.08 | Fry | pulaski, it's just like any other distro based off the .deb package system... |
| 08:18.21 | Y0 | ubuntu is based on debian but is other distro |
| 08:18.22 | tam | hi all, what is the best way to tell debian to use a certain sound card? |
| 08:18.35 | pulaski | well the idea of bountys for software development is intriguing |
| 08:18.41 | EmleyMoor | Can someone please tell me how to use CD 1 to do a rescue? |
| 08:18.45 | liable | tam: you have more than one I take it? |
| 08:18.57 | glick | is libc |
| 08:19.00 | glick | glib? |
| 08:19.00 | tam | liable: yeah, onboard and a sound card |
| 08:19.02 | liable | EmleyMoor: what happened |
| 08:19.09 | caphuso | glick: no. glib is glib |
| 08:19.10 | jetscreamer | EmleyMoor: cd#1 of sarge or woody |
| 08:19.16 | spdf | tam, can you disable onboard sound in your bios? |
| 08:19.16 | EmleyMoor | sarge |
| 08:19.16 | liable | tam: do you want to disable onboard? |
| 08:19.38 | bobbens | tam: using alsa -> use alsaconf and you can choose out of the cards it detects |
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| 08:19.42 | EmleyMoor | liable: There does not seem to be an appropriate option in the first place. |
| 08:19.48 | pulaski | has anyone had any experience running ubunto? |
| 08:20.00 | jetscreamer | EmleyMoor: there's a howto on debian.org somewhere (wiki) but iirc you start/boot the installer, go all the way up to the partitioner, (don't partition) then shell out and chroot |
| 08:20.10 | liable | EmleyMoor: no, why do you need to rescue it. |
| 08:20.17 | jetscreamer | pulaski: in #ubuntu they have |
| 08:20.20 | Guerin | pulaski: never heard of it |
| 08:20.21 | EmleyMoor | liable: grub not on mbr |
| 08:20.22 | glick | where is libglib installed? |
| 08:20.26 | bobbens | EmleyMoor: or chroot from a knoppix cd or some other live distro cd |
| 08:20.28 | pulaski | thank you |
| 08:20.29 | glick | gaim ./configure doesnt seem to be able to find it |
| 08:20.30 | tam | liable: spdf: bobbens: well i wouldn't mind disabling it or changing soundcard but alsaconf doesn't see the card even tho' it shows in dmesg |
| 08:20.37 | Guerin | pulaski: but there are 451 people in #ubuntu who might know what you're talking about |
| 08:20.40 | caphuso | glick: you probably need to install libglib2.0-dev |
| 08:20.43 | streuner | pulaski: i tried the live-CD, its crap |
| 08:20.44 | pulaski | I will check it out soon enough |
| 08:20.50 | glick | caphuso, ahh thanks |
| 08:20.56 | streuner | !d-i pulaski |
| 08:20.57 | dpkg | pulaski, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:21.00 | liable | tam: ah, well you need to find out if its supported |
| 08:21.00 | EmleyMoor | I've never chrooted before and would appreciate some guidance |
| 08:21.05 | pulaski | Its free! |
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| 08:21.25 | tam | liable: it is. it used to work all the time. my uptime was like 80 days and never had a problem |
| 08:21.37 | jetscreamer | EmleyMoor: i've only done it once but iirc it's chroot /path/to/new/root/ |
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| 08:21.44 | bobbens | EmleyMoor: mount your / in the knoppix or whatever cd's /mnt area, then just chroot /mnt/<whatever> /bin/bash |
| 08:21.53 | jetscreamer | man chroot would give you more than i know |
| 08:21.57 | Fry | bah, my "Computer" and "Home" directories aren't opening |
| 08:22.00 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:22.03 | liable | tam: oh, what happened then? upgrade or what? |
| 08:22.06 | EmleyMoor | OK - I will go and try it |
| 08:22.12 | Xuse | read the gentoo handbook that's how i learned to chroot |
| 08:22.18 | bobbens | Xuse: me too :P |
| 08:22.25 | jetscreamer | ah the /bin/bash too |
| 08:22.31 | liable | EmleyMoor: dont have a knoppix cd eh? |
| 08:22.31 | tam | liable: i'm not sure. i think i had slight problems before i rebooted about 80 days ago but i fixed it back then. but i can't fix it now |
| 08:22.35 | jetscreamer | gentoo docs rock |
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| 08:22.36 | pajama | do you need System.map in /boot for the machine to boot???? |
| 08:22.39 | Fry | bobbens is currect about chrooting |
| 08:22.43 | Fry | *correct |
| 08:22.44 | Guerin | because chroot /placeyouwantroottobe is WAY too hard |
| 08:22.48 | liable | tam: so alsaconf cant find it? |
| 08:22.52 | jetscreamer | pajama: mine always has one there all i kno |
| 08:22.54 | jetscreamer | w |
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| 08:22.56 | tam | liable: nope |
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| 08:23.06 | liable | tam: modules loaded? |
| 08:23.08 | tam | liable: and the module for it is loaded. its the emu10k1 card |
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| 08:23.13 | Guerin | !be a chroot barbie |
| 08:23.14 | dpkg | Aww, chroot is hard! Let's go shopping, guerin |
| 08:23.17 | pajama | because debian kernel didn't install it |
| 08:23.19 | pulaski | thanks you guys, goodnight. |
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| 08:23.30 | tam | tam@spud:/mnt/hd2/movies$ lsmod|grep emu10k1 |
| 08:23.32 | Guerin | dpkg: good idea, hee hee! |
| 08:23.33 | liable | Guerin: yeah well, knoppix is way fucking easier |
| 08:23.40 | Guerin | liable: easier than...? |
| 08:23.43 | tam | liable: snd_emu10k1 81668 0 |
| 08:23.48 | bobbens | Guerin: lol :P |
| 08:23.54 | Guerin | easier than SHOPPING? |
| 08:23.55 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 08:23.55 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-bork was modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 08:24.10 | liable | Guerin: than mounting with sysfs then chrooting. |
| 08:24.21 | liable | tam: thats alsa module, not oss? |
| 08:24.24 | Guerin | liable: bah, you're fulloshit. |
| 08:24.30 | jetscreamer | shopping is hard, lets configure xen |
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| 08:24.38 | streuner | liable: knoppix helps you to detect hardware, in most cases you need to configure it then |
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| 08:24.45 | Guerin | liable: knoppix mounts your drives nodev, how does that make it easier to do things |
| 08:24.49 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:25.11 | liable | Guerin: quite possibly true, just my personal opinion for re-installing mbr |
| 08:25.24 | liable | Guerin: remount |
| 08:25.25 | Guerin | !opinion |
| 08:25.29 | Guerin | !opinions |
| 08:25.29 | dpkg | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public |
| 08:25.38 | jetscreamer | YOU SEE? woody and lilo are STILL superior |
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| 08:26.10 | tam | liable: i take it to be alsa |
| 08:26.14 | tam | liable: i use alsa not oss |
| 08:26.18 | jetscreamer | snd- == alsa |
| 08:26.35 | tam | jetscreamer: yeah |
| 08:26.39 | jetscreamer | if it doesn't say snd- it's not alsa |
| 08:26.53 | tam | well, it's alsa. but just not working |
| 08:27.08 | jetscreamer | btw, i have emu10k1 |
| 08:27.10 | Guerin | !opinions is also be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your arsehole. Well, maybe both. |
| 08:27.10 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 08:27.18 | jetscreamer | i got alsa to work.... blegh. |
| 08:27.32 | jetscreamer | went back to oss. |
| 08:27.34 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 08:27.37 | liable | Guerin: sheesh, well, typing /dev/ide/host0/lun0/blah/fucking/blah trying to find out which fucking partition your linux / is on, for the first time *is* a pain in the arse and then chrooting to it |
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| 08:27.44 | tam | jetscreamer: what was wrong with it? |
| 08:27.45 | rixth | In gnome, if you click "Applications" the thing at the very bottom of that menu is "Debian Menu" mine is empty! |
| 08:27.55 | jetscreamer | tam: just sounded shitty by default |
| 08:28.06 | jetscreamer | tam: ymmv |
| 08:28.08 | jetscreamer | !ymmv |
| 08:28.09 | dpkg | i heard ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 08:28.21 | liable | Guerin: where you can just remount /dev/hda rw |
| 08:28.29 | Guerin | liable: i've never had to do anything even remotely like that. |
| 08:28.58 | jetscreamer | i did once |
| 08:29.33 | jetscreamer | rixth: you might try update-menus, and also (yes also) sudo update-menus |
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| 08:29.40 | jetscreamer | might/might not help |
| 08:30.05 | liable | Guerin: hmm, well I prolly fucked up, but eventually that was the only way I got it, and havent done it since, and didnt have net at the time, and havent done it since, so yes, there prolly is a better way. |
| 08:30.08 | dbeal | I will never get used to global $variable; |
| 08:30.14 | rixth | rixth is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. << Dun dun duhhhhh |
| 08:30.23 | liable | oooh repeat |
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| 08:30.26 | rixth | Ruh roh, not reported! To me?! |
| 08:30.29 | rixth | Ahh. |
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| 08:30.38 | Guerin | rixth: no. reported to root. |
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| 08:30.47 | rixth | Guerin, ie, me :) |
| 08:31.03 | rixth | bash: update-menus: command not found |
| 08:31.14 | Guerin | rixth: you're not root. you're rixth. root is root. |
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| 08:31.36 | Guerin | rixth: if you were root, your username would be root, but it's not, is it? |
| 08:31.38 | Guerin | huh? |
| 08:31.40 | Guerin | well? |
| 08:31.43 | Guerin | is it? |
| 08:31.48 | jetscreamer | add yourself |
| 08:32.06 | jetscreamer | see also adduser user sudo |
| 08:32.15 | rixth | Guerin, ah yes, but I am the owner of root |
| 08:32.27 | jetscreamer | so yes you will be reported to yourself |
| 08:32.34 | jetscreamer | you damn schizo |
| 08:32.55 | rixth | rixth@bear:~$ sudo update-menus |
| 08:32.56 | rixth | rixth is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 08:33.03 | jetscreamer | addyourself |
| 08:33.05 | rixth | Still, I ran adduser rixth sudo as root. |
| 08:33.05 | jetscreamer | su |
| 08:33.15 | jetscreamer | then edit /etc/sudoers |
| 08:33.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | use visudo |
| 08:33.51 | Guerin | rixth: man sudoers |
| 08:34.02 | rixth | What the hell, complicated. |
| 08:34.07 | Guerin | don't edit sudoers, you'll break things |
| 08:34.11 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.14 | Guerin | !be a sudo barbie |
| 08:34.15 | dpkg | Aww, sudo is hard! Let's go shopping, guerin |
| 08:34.33 | liable | tam: got a spare pci slot you can try? |
| 08:34.46 | jetscreamer | how the hell do you break things editing sudoers |
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| 08:34.59 | rixth | Newly apt'd programs aren't showing up either, RhythomBox and FIreofx for example |
| 08:35.02 | Guerin | jetscreamer: what a fucking stupid question. |
| 08:35.08 | BigBlockO | so i just installed the imp4 package in an attempt to get imp working |
| 08:35.11 | Guerin | jetscreamer: man sudoers. |
| 08:35.13 | BigBlockO | but i'm not sure what to do next |
| 08:35.15 | jetscreamer | Guerin: assuming you know how to cut&paste |
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| 08:35.40 | jetscreamer | Guerin: i don't ask stupid questions |
| 08:35.43 | rixth | bash: update-menus: command not found |
| 08:35.46 | jetscreamer | just ignorant ones |
| 08:35.52 | Guerin | jetscreamer: assuming you have someplace to cutnpaste from, which would mean you'd read man sudoers or something similar. |
| 08:35.54 | jetscreamer | try update-menu then |
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| 08:36.07 | jetscreamer | but it should be menus |
| 08:36.11 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 08:36.13 | rixth | jetscreamer, neither |
| 08:36.15 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:36.21 | jetscreamer | rixth: su? |
| 08:36.30 | jetscreamer | your path doesn't include it i bet |
| 08:36.33 | rixth | Yes, I'm doing it as root |
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| 08:37.21 | jetscreamer | try it but /usr/bin/update-menus |
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| 08:37.51 | rixth | bash: /usr/bin/update-menus: No such file or directory |
| 08:37.58 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:38.02 | jetscreamer | apt-get install menu |
| 08:38.09 | jetscreamer | lemme chekck |
| 08:38.16 | jetscreamer | !menu |
| 08:38.16 | dpkg | menu is, like, the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 08:38.18 | rixth | Yeah, its getting it |
| 08:38.24 | BigBlockO | anyone in here know how to install imp from the imp4 package? |
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| 08:38.58 | manuc66 | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 08:39.14 | Morti | Or just |
| 08:39.20 | Morti | /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 08:39.22 | rixth | jetscreamer, but I installed Gaim and it DID go into the menu |
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| 08:40.07 | paivakil | what should be the permissions of /dev/null? |
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| 08:40.14 | jetscreamer | !info menu |
| 08:40.21 | dpkg | menu: (provides update-menus functions for some applications), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.24 (sid), Packaged size: 394 kB, Installed size: 1640 kB |
| 08:40.21 | Guerin | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-03-28 11:57 /dev/null |
| 08:40.24 | caphuso | paivakil: 777 |
| 08:40.29 | caphuso | damn, 666 |
| 08:40.40 | Guerin | perms of the BEAST |
| 08:40.47 | Guerin | appropriately |
| 08:40.53 | edison | Help how to execute command during a time setting, ex: i start cat /dev/null for 2 secondes ? |
| 08:41.02 | caphuso | my keyboard must have moved |
| 08:41.11 | rixth | jetscreamer, got it, but running update-menus still hasn't put Firefox or Rhythombox in there |
| 08:41.28 | jetscreamer | rixth: as user? |
| 08:41.42 | jetscreamer | aka not_as_root |
| 08:42.13 | jetscreamer | rixth: gaim went into the gnome menu i take it |
| 08:42.14 | rixth | jetscreamer, indeed. |
| 08:42.27 | jetscreamer | but do you have a debian menu now |
| 08:42.28 | rixth | jetscreamer, indeed again, gaim did, without menu installed. |
| 08:42.41 | caphuso | edison: "cat /dev/null" is a silly example because it will exit almost immediately |
| 08:42.48 | jetscreamer | gnome recognizes gaim in it's menu (iirc) |
| 08:42.52 | BigBlockO | can someone just give me a pointer on what i'm supposed to do once the package is installed? |
| 08:43.02 | rixth | Yes, I have "Applications" and "Debian Menu" (which is empty) |
| 08:43.04 | edison | caphuso, yes or cat /dev/zeros |
| 08:43.05 | Guerin | !helpfile imp4 |
| 08:43.06 | dpkg | For help with imp4, look in /usr/share/doc/imp4 There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 08:43.07 | caphuso | edison: but something like "cat /dev/zero & sleep 2 && kill $!" should work |
| 08:43.08 | jetscreamer | still empty? |
| 08:43.25 | edison | caphuso, ok |
| 08:44.10 | jetscreamer | 'should' function. maybe you have to log out. no idea. |
| 08:44.26 | rixth | Okay, I'll log out, brb |
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| 08:44.33 | tarzeau | paulswm: that's not a qotd? www.linuks.mine.nu/people/blow.txt |
| 08:44.43 | BigBlockO | thanks |
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| 08:45.20 | edison | caphuso, what mean the $! ? |
| 08:45.28 | caphuso | edison: man bash |
| 08:45.28 | jetscreamer | Guerin: why don't you buy a yugo! |
| 08:45.40 | jetscreamer | it means 'user' |
| 08:45.52 | caphuso | Special Parameters section |
| 08:45.57 | Guerin | wtf is a yugo? |
| 08:46.07 | jetscreamer | a car... |
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| 08:46.16 | tarzeau | you can all try apt-get install supertransball2 now and try to beat my time records |
| 08:46.20 | Gnea | You Unusual Game Organizer? |
| 08:46.22 | gmarappledude | I noticed mepis dopwnloaded 1000MB patches yesterday are they using sid files now? |
| 08:46.31 | tarzeau | gmarappledude: who cares? |
| 08:46.33 | tarzeau | !debian based |
| 08:46.34 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 08:46.35 | gmarappledude | 100MB |
| 08:46.44 | edison | caphuso, ok thank @ |
| 08:46.47 | edison | ! |
| 08:46.53 | jetscreamer | rixth: ? |
| 08:46.57 | paivakil | caphuso: occassionally, daemons fail to start at boot time, |
| 08:46.58 | rixth | Yep |
| 08:47.00 | paivakil | complaining of bad permissions on /dev/null |
| 08:47.03 | rixth | They're there now |
| 08:47.04 | jetscreamer | worked? |
| 08:47.06 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 08:47.09 | rixth | And I have a Debian Menu. |
| 08:47.15 | jetscreamer | yay |
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| 08:47.27 | rixth | Once more thing, whats a good place to get themes and wallpapers for Gnome? |
| 08:47.40 | Guerin | art.gnome.org, weirdly |
| 08:47.49 | jetscreamer | there's a gnome.org site.. blah.gnome.org.... yeah that |
| 08:48.15 | rixth | That hasn't got that big a range though |
| 08:48.27 | Guerin | images.google.com |
| 08:48.37 | jetscreamer | try #gnome on irc.giimp.org |
| 08:48.43 | jetscreamer | err gimp |
| 08:48.43 | rixth | I'm looking for window borders, controls etc, and icon sets ^_^ |
| 08:49.01 | Guerin | rixth: http://worthless-shit.com |
| 08:49.13 | jetscreamer | !beer Guerin |
| 08:49.18 | johnnyt | hi all |
| 08:49.42 | rixth | Guerin, IMO, the initial look of Gnome is yuck |
| 08:49.48 | Guerin | rixth: i agree. |
| 08:49.50 | BigBlockO | i checked out the examples, but i know i'm missing something |
| 08:49.59 | johnnyt | anyone know if i can compile a single linux module? |
| 08:50.01 | BigBlockO | i know i just need to copy imp into the web directory |
| 08:50.07 | BigBlockO | but i'm not sure what to copy |
| 08:50.11 | Guerin | johnnyt: sure. Man make-kpkg |
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| 08:50.30 | BigBlockO | and i can't find the install instructions |
| 08:50.33 | Guerin | BigBlockO: you probably just need to make a symlink or add an alias in your httpd.conf |
| 08:50.34 | johnnyt | thx Guerin, i'll check it out |
| 08:50.37 | Xuse | all you need is systemg and industrial, looks the best. |
| 08:50.53 | BigBlockO | ok |
| 08:51.32 | Guerin | it's black, with white text and no decorations. |
| 08:51.41 | Guerin | no |
| 08:51.43 | Guerin | openbox |
| 08:52.27 | caphuso | Guerin: you stole my ion theme! |
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| 08:53.18 | johnnyt | Guerin, i'm using kde now but it's very slow!!! how can i change to fluxbox after i installed the pkg? |
| 08:53.20 | caphuso | well, not quite, i have some decorations |
| 08:53.31 | tarzeau | johnnyt: you could also try wmaker/gnustep |
| 08:53.46 | caphuso | frames with two or more clients in it get a titlebar |
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| 08:54.05 | johnnyt | tarzeau, wmaker?? another windows manager?? |
| 08:54.06 | faked | I cant find java-package, can sb tell me what it is named? |
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| 08:54.15 | tarzeau | johnnyt: yes, window manager |
| 08:54.26 | rixth | faked, /msg dpkg java-howto |
| 08:54.32 | johnnyt | tarzeau, does it support icons? |
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| 08:54.53 | tarzeau | johnnyt: well it has a dock for docked application iconds, that's left or right |
| 08:54.53 | reamtS_ | Know when is xorg coming for debian users? |
| 08:55.06 | rixth | faked, er, /msg dpkg java-package howto |
| 08:55.10 | tarzeau | johnnyt: it also has a clip. but it doesn't support randomly placed icons scattered over the whole desktop |
| 08:55.30 | johnnyt | tarzeau, ah ic thx, i'll check it out |
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| 08:55.42 | bobbens | reamtS_: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 08:56.31 | faked | rixth: oh, sorry, I didn't add contrib to my sources.list, thx |
| 08:56.40 | jetscreamer | xorg came by but you weren't here so he left |
| 08:56.53 | johnnyt | tarzeau, is it as thin as fluxbox?? my cpu is only 433MHz |
| 08:56.56 | jetscreamer | he went to see mr shadow |
| 08:57.11 | tarzeau | johnnyt: hahaha, i've run it on 100mhhz computers |
| 08:57.26 | tarzeau | johnnyt: original OPENSTEP runned at 33 mhz |
| 08:57.33 | jetscreamer | runned? |
| 08:57.38 | johnnyt | tarzeau, cool i'll tried it |
| 08:57.44 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: run |
| 08:57.48 | pipeline | johnnyt: On a 433 MHz computer, your window manager isn't a problem :P |
| 08:57.48 | jetscreamer | ran |
| 08:57.53 | johnnyt | try it |
| 08:57.56 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: ah ok |
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| 08:58.07 | jetscreamer | pardon my analidity |
| 08:58.08 | pipeline | Johnnyt: Full gnome environments run very comfortably on pentium pro class machines. (i.e. < 200 MHz ) |
| 08:58.13 | flawd | can I use a pc100 cpu with pc133 ram? |
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| 08:58.20 | jetscreamer | yes flawd |
| 08:58.23 | jetscreamer | np |
| 08:58.41 | jetscreamer | flawd it's the 133 cpu and the 100 ram might give you a prob |
| 08:58.42 | bobbens | flawd: you can underclock it and so but some motherboards are picky and things like that generate problems >.< |
| 08:58.43 | pipeline | flawd: Usually, yes, but not always. Sometimes newer RAM is too dense. |
| 08:58.48 | johnnyt | pipeline, but it's pretty slow on my box |
| 08:58.51 | bisquit | Urrgh. Trying to startX -> fatal server error, no screens found :( |
| 08:58.57 | jetscreamer | works fine |
| 08:59.04 | johnnyt | pipeline, i have 128mb of ram |
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| 08:59.08 | pipeline | Johnnyt: Disable anti-aliased font rendering. |
| 08:59.30 | flawd | it should just work if I put a pc100 cpu and a pc133 ram module on a motherboard that supports both pc100 and pc 133? |
| 08:59.38 | jetscreamer | yes flawd |
| 08:59.41 | pipeline | Johnnyt: It's important to keep in mind that individual applications use more memory than an entire Gnome or KDE desktop. For example, firefox will blow away that 128M :P |
| 08:59.42 | flawd | ok |
| 08:59.45 | pipeline | flawd: Key word: SHOULD. |
| 08:59.46 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 08:59.46 | dpkg | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 08:59.50 | flawd | pipeline, yeah |
| 08:59.50 | jetscreamer | it works just fine i do it here on my kid's box |
| 09:00.07 | usn | hi folx |
| 09:00.17 | johnnyt | pipeline, i already turned off all the animation and all the crap off but it's still slow |
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| 09:01.03 | Xuse | when i had 256mb ram, i would use xfce |
| 09:01.16 | Xuse | now that i have 1GB ram gnome works well again. |
| 09:01.22 | pipeline | Johnnyt: Tough shit. Applications are slow. Use lynx and tty emacs inside of xterms for everything. |
| 09:01.23 | jetscreamer | i could also point out many articles on the net that agree with me, and mention all the other boxes i've done that on |
| 09:01.30 | reamtS_ | Anyone know something about LDAP and windows clients? |
| 09:01.37 | tarzeau | reamtS_: certainly |
| 09:01.51 | Guerin | caphuso: heh |
| 09:01.54 | reamtS_ | tarzeau: know any good sites? |
| 09:02.06 | Guerin | johnnyt: yeah, flux or something would be way better on 128MB |
| 09:02.26 | johnnyt | pipeline, i'm configurating this machine for my aunt and she doesn't know alot about computers |
| 09:02.46 | Xuse | I still say xfce would be better than flux if you want it to be gnome-like. |
| 09:02.49 | pipeline | Johnnyt: And you seriously considered a bullshit minimalist environment, even for a second? Shame, shame. |
| 09:03.02 | Guerin | yeah, xfce4 is a way better idea |
| 09:03.04 | vhuren | in a crontab file do I need to have a return after the last entry? |
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| 09:03.15 | pipeline | Johnnyt: If it doesn't have a taskbar, it's totally, completely unsuitable. End of story. Install gnome, install xfce, install icewm. Fluxbox is just a joke in that context. |
| 09:03.17 | jetscreamer | fluxbox or icewm are nice and low footprint |
| 09:03.20 | Guerin | my mum uses xfce4, and a less competent computer user I have yet to meet |
| 09:03.33 | Guerin | even in #debian! |
| 09:04.07 | jetscreamer | my kid HATED enlightenment when i forced it on the box :) muhahahaha |
| 09:04.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | guerin, i bet i have seen less competent users |
| 09:04.11 | reamtS_ | tarzeau: how is it possible to set up the windows clients to use LDAP? |
| 09:04.11 | johnnyt | pipeline, well she only icq and surf the web so it's possible that i can just put those on the menu and try it out |
| 09:04.17 | jetscreamer | i put flux next |
| 09:04.26 | pipeline | Johnnyt: No, no it's not. She'll be pissed and you know it. Don't fool around. |
| 09:04.30 | Guerin | Kamping_Kaiser: possible, but unlikely. |
| 09:04.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. |
| 09:05.02 | jetscreamer | johnnyt: she'd probably like icewm-gnome , it's window-y |
| 09:05.11 | johnnyt | pipeline, i don't know |
| 09:05.18 | bobbens | !startwmwar |
| 09:05.32 | tarzeau | reamtS_: with samba a and synchronizing stuff |
| 09:05.40 | johnnyt | pipeline, it's just an experiment so if she doesn't like it, she can spend $500 on a PC with windows |
| 09:05.47 | tarzeau | reamtS_: we have it, but i don't know the details -- i'm only interested in the debian workstations we have |
| 09:06.09 | Guerin | johnnyt: i am in full agreement with pipeline here. |
| 09:06.27 | pipeline | Hell is frozen over. |
| 09:06.31 | Guerin | johnnyt: i mean, if you're going to install flux, you might as well go the whole hog and give her ratpoison |
| 09:06.33 | Xuse | http://bt.ocremix.org/files/sonic2project_-_Hedgehog_Heaven.torrent < that's pretty good. :) |
| 09:06.39 | Guerin | pipeline: heh |
| 09:06.49 | bobbens | i sense alot of flux hate here |
| 09:06.56 | johnnyt | Guerin, is it really that bad??? |
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| 09:07.06 | Guerin | it's just not the right tool for the job\ |
| 09:07.16 | Xuse | bobbens does it really matter what other people think though? |
| 09:07.17 | bobbens | johnnyt: i like it alot, but for newbies its not the best, especially coming from windows |
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| 09:07.31 | bobbens | Xuse: not really, i ignore everyone else and am stubborn |
| 09:07.32 | reamtS_ | tarzeau: The think I would like to know the most is where do I go to configure my windows machines to use LDAP? |
| 09:07.37 | Xuse | :p |
| 09:07.38 | SlayerXP | !ops Monitor is an onjoin porn spammer. |
| 09:07.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Monitor is an onjoin porn spammer. |
| 09:07.41 | Guerin | i find fluxbox too busy. Stupid panel. |
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| 09:07.54 | johnnyt | Guerin, but she's not familiar with windows too!!! i think she's as confused with windows as with fluxbox |
| 09:07.57 | Guerin | SlayerXP: how's Norway? |
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| 09:08.05 | reamtS_ | tarzeau: it would be really cool if u could expain that to me =) |
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| 09:08.06 | SlayerXP | Guerin: still there, I assume |
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| 09:08.14 | Xuse | fluxbox + pypanel is nice. |
| 09:08.16 | johnnyt | Guerin, to her, she might not even notice the diff between flux and win |
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| 09:08.19 | jetscreamer | !info icewm-gnome |
| 09:08.21 | Guerin | johnnyt: i disagree. she can at least point and click her apps in windows |
| 09:08.22 | dpkg | icewm-gnome: (wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.2.21-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 09:08.26 | SlayerXP | bob2: you don't trust me? I'm hurt :) |
| 09:08.35 | Guerin | SlayerXP: but you're not, i presume? |
| 09:08.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 09:08.43 | *** mode/#debian [+b Monitor!*@*] by bob2 |
| 09:08.45 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 09:08.45 | SlayerXP | Guerin: not yet, not long now though |
| 09:08.50 | tarzeau | reamtS_: i don't know exactly, but maybe it's partly documented at http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/ see the menu on the left, readme and stuff |
| 09:09.04 | reamtS_ | tarzeau: thx =) |
| 09:09.05 | tarzeau | reamtS_: i'm going to a debian sarge release party and shopping now |
| 09:09.13 | reamtS_ | hahaha, good luck |
| 09:09.27 | Guerin | SlayerXP: be sure and eat whale when you get there. |
| 09:09.53 | johnnyt | Guerin, yeah you're right |
| 09:10.04 | Guerin | johnnyt: you needn't tell me. |
| 09:10.16 | Gnea | blah! |
| 09:10.20 | johnnyt | Guerin, so any thin wm with icons?? |
| 09:10.40 | Guerin | johnnyt: xfce4 is what I gave my mother. |
| 09:11.01 | johnnyt | Guerin, she likes it?? |
| 09:11.15 | johnnyt | Guerin, over windows? |
| 09:11.17 | Gnea | johnnyt: heh i gave my mother gnome |
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| 09:11.23 | Guerin | johnnyt: loves it, and is autonomous except for installing software. |
| 09:12.02 | johnnyt | Guerin, your mother uses debian?? |
| 09:12.05 | Guerin | johnnyt: ie: the only thing I have to do is install stuff for her. Oh, and occasionally i shell in to batch-resize some pics from her camera |
| 09:12.06 | tarzeau | Gnea: your poor mom |
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| 09:12.16 | Guerin | johnnyt: she has for about 18 months. |
| 09:12.19 | Gnea | tarzeau: naw she loves it |
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| 09:12.32 | tarzeau | Gnea: does she play games? |
| 09:12.38 | Gnea | tarzeau: ooooh yeah :) |
| 09:12.38 | jetscreamer | !info rdesktop |
| 09:12.44 | dpkg | rdesktop: (RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 96 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 09:12.53 | jetscreamer | what is rdp |
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| 09:12.56 | tarzeau | Gnea: show her http://bub-n-bros.sf.net maybe? She likes cute dragons? |
| 09:13.02 | BigBlockO | i keep getting these weird errors when i try to unzip files |
| 09:13.02 | Guerin | jetscreamer: fgi |
| 09:13.02 | Gnea | tarzeau: dude she's in her 60's ;) |
| 09:13.06 | Morti | Remote Desktop Protocol. |
| 09:13.12 | Morti | It's not that exciting. |
| 09:13.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 09:13.18 | tarzeau | Gnea: ok keep the photo for yourself |
| 09:13.21 | danowoz | nick danowoz |
| 09:13.24 | jetscreamer | thanks morti |
| 09:13.25 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:13.32 | ethics | jatscramer windows terminal services/remoteassistance |
| 09:13.40 | jetscreamer | thanks ethics |
| 09:13.47 | jetscreamer | thank you john boy |
| 09:13.52 | BigBlockO | anyone know why tar would be telling me that a gz file isn't actually a gz file |
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| 09:14.04 | jetscreamer | it got renamed by a llamah? |
| 09:14.04 | Gnea | BigBlockO: because it's not a gz file |
| 09:14.07 | Guerin | BigBlockO: file fileyouwanttoknowabout |
| 09:14.14 | jetscreamer | !file |
| 09:14.23 | Xuse | my sister uses debian, but she's pissed because gaim has no webcam thingy for msn. |
| 09:14.27 | jetscreamer | phhht |
| 09:14.33 | jetscreamer | gaim-vv |
| 09:14.35 | Guerin | Xuse: gaim-vv |
| 09:14.41 | Gnea | Xuse: my sister complained about the same thing. |
| 09:14.46 | ethics | gnomemetting |
| 09:14.47 | tarzeau | Xuse: photo? |
| 09:14.52 | Gnea | ethics: no. |
| 09:14.52 | peterS | BigBlockO: it's probably not one. try just 'tar xf' instead of 'tar xzf'. this sometimes happens with browsers + web servers that think they can be clever and compress / decompress a downloaded file. the browser sometimes does a decompress that wasn't called for, but doesn't rename the file |
| 09:14.57 | Guerin | and also gnomemeeting can work with netmeeting, which is installed on every windows machine there is |
| 09:15.01 | ctd | Xuse: just tell her msn webcam is usually hacked by perverted leet hax0rs. |
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| 09:15.25 | ethics | gnea that wont speak msn i gather? |
| 09:15.25 | jetscreamer | ms haxors are 1337? |
| 09:15.27 | Gnea | ethics: a good alternative, but not when she knows she can install windows and have it working like she wants to |
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| 09:15.43 | tarzeau | if you're bored http://www.linuks.mine.nu/pp/ |
| 09:15.50 | Gnea | jetscreamer: like F337 |
| 09:16.25 | Gnea | ethics: so it's a limitation on the part of gaim - a plugin would probably solve it, but i don't think ms would hear of it |
| 09:16.47 | Guerin | no |
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| 09:17.12 | tarzeau | Gnea: no problem if it's scsi , right :) |
| 09:17.16 | Guerin | it's a purposeful obfuscation of a documented protocol by microsoft to prevent interoperability |
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| 09:17.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | so true |
| 09:17.33 | Xuse | none of the comps in my house have windows on them ;p |
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| 09:17.45 | Xuse | just need to convert the rest of the family. |
| 09:17.48 | Guerin | msn STILL just speaks h.323 - it's just got a stupid proprietary mangulator wrapped around it |
| 09:18.08 | Guerin | it's just taking the gaim-vv boys awhile to successfully RE the mangulator |
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| 09:18.35 | Gnea | tarzeau: it's for a business partner - they have this old-ass machine they wanna turn into a linux router. well the caviar that's in there keeps losing interrupt and eventually connection so the only other old hd i have is this quantum trailblazer 850meg...looks like i'll have to resize it since it support multiple configurations, but at 420M... |
| 09:19.20 | Gnea | cuz grub keeps giving error 18 |
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| 09:20.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | grub 18s a pain |
| 09:20.12 | sbs | helo...is it possible to use more then 1 internet connection at the same time in my linux internet gateway. so that the bandwidth will be bigger |
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| 09:20.39 | Gnea | sbs: yes. |
| 09:20.49 | paivakil | sbs: yes, you can |
| 09:21.15 | flamesrock | hey guys, I just created a reiserfs partition. Does anybody know what entry I would put in fstab to make it writeable by a normal user? So far I have this and it doesn't work: /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 reiserfs auto,rw,user 1 2 |
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| 09:21.43 | sbs | ok guys, using what package? |
| 09:21.47 | Gnea | mflamesrock: don't forget to chown /mnt/hda2 |
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| 09:21.57 | Guerin | flamesrock: that should work, but you need to check that user has perms to write /mnt/hda2 |
| 09:22.13 | flamesrock | ahh tx :) |
| 09:22.18 | flamesrock | I'll try that |
| 09:22.19 | Gnea | sbs: you'd be using iptables and iproute, you want to check out the Advanced Routing HOWTO via google |
| 09:22.30 | Guerin | !lartc |
| 09:22.30 | dpkg | i guess lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 09:22.35 | sbs | so that the bandwidth will be bigger to access the internet |
| 09:22.37 | Gnea | yeah |
| 09:22.38 | Gnea | that thing |
| 09:22.52 | Gnea | sbs: not in the sense that you're thinking, exactly |
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| 09:23.30 | vox | what package do i dpkg-reconfigure to change my default X manager? ie: change from kde to gnome? |
| 09:23.33 | Gnea | sbs: go read it, you'll understand it better then |
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| 09:23.56 | Gnea | vox: just edit your ~/.xsession file |
| 09:23.57 | Guerin | vox: what display manager do you use? |
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| 09:24.37 | vox | Guerin: well gnome normally, but i switched to kde during the 2.8->2.10 transition of gnome, and now i want to swtich back |
| 09:24.41 | vox | but i cant remember how |
| 09:25.00 | Guerin | vox: neither of those are display managers. I mean kdm, xdm, gdm, etc - the gui login app. |
| 09:25.06 | bobbens | vox: you use gdm/kdm/xdm/startx? |
| 09:25.40 | Gnea | echo "#!/bin/sh" > ~/.xsession && echo "exec gnome-session" >> ~/.xsession && chmod 700 ~/.xsession |
| 09:25.44 | Gnea | vox: ^^^ |
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| 09:26.01 | Guerin | Gnea: gdm and kdm don;'t always honour xsession |
| 09:26.05 | Gnea | vox: then login using a default session |
| 09:26.16 | Guerin | that works |
| 09:26.18 | jetscreamer | oh hey is gnome done in sid? |
| 09:26.19 | Gnea | Guerin: gdm does |
| 09:26.21 | vox | well for instance if i stop kdm via init.d, and try to start gdm via init.d, it says gdm is not the default and wont start it |
| 09:26.25 | vox | jet: yes |
| 09:26.28 | Guerin | Gnea: only using 'default' |
| 09:26.32 | Gnea | Guerin: right :) |
| 09:26.38 | bobbens | vox: try dpkg-reconfigure gdm then |
| 09:26.47 | jetscreamer | vox: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager, or ^^^ |
| 09:26.53 | pureone | wouldnt rcconf work ? |
| 09:26.56 | jetscreamer | same thing |
| 09:26.56 | Guerin | vox: either kdm or gdm should have a 'choose session type' thang you can use. |
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| 09:27.10 | Guerin | no, neither dpkg-reconfigure nor rcconf will fix this. |
| 09:27.18 | pureone | hmm |
| 09:27.23 | jetscreamer | 04.26.32] <vox> well for instance if i stop kdm via init.d, and try to start gdm via init.d, it says gdm is not the default and wont start it |
| 09:27.27 | jetscreamer | it wil fix that |
| 09:27.43 | bobbens | jetscreamer: thanks :P now i dont have to write more :P |
| 09:27.45 | jetscreamer | not the rcconf |
| 09:27.47 | Guerin | yes, but that doens't help the fact that he wants to start GNOME, not GDM. |
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| 09:28.05 | bobbens | Guerin: he states that he wants to switch from kdm to gdm |
| 09:28.06 | jetscreamer | yeah but i'm not telling him how to fix gnome |
| 09:28.06 | vox | cheers guys, dpkg-reconfigure gdm did the trick |
| 09:28.12 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 09:28.17 | vox | i so shouldnt do stuff like this when im drinking :) |
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| 09:28.23 | Guerin | no, he said he wanted to wswitch from KDE to GNOME |
| 09:28.31 | jetscreamer | he had 2 different things |
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| 09:28.33 | Guerin | NOT display manager |
| 09:28.40 | jetscreamer | one was that, the other was this |
| 09:28.42 | bobbens | Guerin: yes, but he states at one point he wants to go from kdm to gdm |
| 09:28.42 | veleno | how do i configure acrobat to use cups ? |
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| 09:29.00 | jetscreamer | Guerin: i still love you |
| 09:29.09 | bobbens | Guerin: anyway its fixed :P |
| 09:29.13 | jetscreamer | my hair used to be longer though |
| 09:29.17 | jetscreamer | than yours i mean |
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| 09:30.37 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:31.18 | sneex | =) |
| 09:31.30 | jetscreamer | funny how i got married and stopped caring about long hair :/ |
| 09:31.36 | jetscreamer | plus it's frickin hot here |
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| 09:32.06 | jetscreamer | but i look better w/long :( |
| 09:32.58 | jetscreamer | ah shit my dad is coming to town... tomorrow it seems |
| 09:33.03 | dbeal | Ahh the net is much nicer at night. |
| 09:33.12 | sneex | *burp* |
| 09:33.22 | Guerin | jetscreamer: hah, my wife has said she'd divorce me if I cut my hair. |
| 09:33.39 | dbeal | We were doing fine not hearing you burp. |
| 09:33.45 | sneex | =) |
| 09:33.46 | sneex | lol |
| 09:33.54 | dbeal | :-) |
| 09:34.09 | ethics | guerin so whens the big day planned for....2 days before the sportscarr or so?.. |
| 09:34.18 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:34.26 | jetscreamer | big day? |
| 09:34.26 | Guerin | i care nothing for circle-driving |
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| 09:35.20 | rixth | Lots of little things in Debian are annoying me. Like, if I rightclick a tarball and press "Extract Archive" I then have to click "Reload" to see the folder. |
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| 09:35.49 | ethics | ricth that apps not deb hehe |
| 09:35.52 | paulswm | !folder |
| 09:35.52 | dpkg | i heard folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 09:36.04 | karsten | rixth: That's a detail of your desktop environment. |
| 09:36.10 | Guerin | apart from anything else, we have this lovely thing called a 'relationship', where if one of us nags the other to do something, the other is fully withing rights to say 'fuck off, I'm doing $something' |
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| 09:36.19 | rixth | karsten, it's Gnome! |
| 09:36.21 | ironhawk | Hi all |
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| 09:36.35 | Guerin | rixth: yep, that sounds like gnome alright. |
| 09:36.36 | karsten | rixth: ...which is fucked seven ways from Sunday. And your point is? |
| 09:36.49 | rixth | What? Should I be using KDE |
| 09:36.52 | Guerin | no |
| 09:36.55 | karsten | rixth: bash. |
| 09:36.57 | ironhawk | is anyone one here running debian on PowerPC? |
| 09:37.05 | paulswm | !prize karsten |
| 09:37.06 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 09:37.06 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:37.13 | Guerin | !ppc |
| 09:37.14 | dpkg | methinks ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 09:37.38 | rixth | But in the Xbox360... |
| 09:37.49 | ironhawk | I'm trying to become a new convert, since finding Gimp, which I prefer to photoshop |
| 09:37.51 | jetscreamer | powerpc eh |
| 09:38.01 | ethics | rixth yeah but thats a new style... |
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| 09:38.05 | karsten | rixth: Personally, I find mc sort of useful for dealing with archives. It's a fullscreen (console / ncurses) file manager. Lots of neat stuff. |
| 09:38.06 | Guerin | ironhawk: interesting. |
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| 09:38.25 | ironhawk | I'm going to download the ISOs, but there are like twelve, compared to four for other distros |
| 09:38.36 | karsten | ironhawk: netinst. |
| 09:38.39 | jetscreamer | i've detested the word 'folder' ever since ms invented it's use for directories |
| 09:38.40 | ethics | xbox360s are a while away still anyways |
| 09:38.41 | Guerin | ironhawk: just get the installer. |
| 09:38.42 | karsten | !tell ironhawk about netinst |
| 09:38.48 | jetscreamer | ironhawk: you only need #1 iirc |
| 09:38.51 | xoz | ironhawk: 15000 packages and counting... |
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| 09:38.59 | jetscreamer | besides, it's only 2 dvd's |
| 09:39.00 | ethics | its xebians problem...and the bios hackers |
| 09:39.00 | Guerin | um, i think apple first used 'folder' |
| 09:39.01 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.10 | jetscreamer | Guerin: no idea |
| 09:39.14 | karsten | xoz: What's the official package count for sarge? I'm at 18k+ for etch. |
| 09:39.15 | jetscreamer | i'll take your word |
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| 09:39.32 | jetscreamer | i came up with 16000 something for sid |
| 09:39.50 | karsten | ironhawk: There's _way__ more packages in the _full_ installation than you'll ever use. Do a netinst and install the rest over your broadband connection. |
| 09:39.54 | ironhawk | Well, I want to just install Debian, then xfce as my desktop |
| 09:39.57 | xoz | karsten: from their release notes... around 15,000+. can't remember the exact number. |
| 09:39.58 | karsten | ironhawk: Takes ~20 minutes for a base install. |
| 09:40.06 | jetscreamer | Information about 16717 package(s) was updated |
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| 09:40.17 | jetscreamer | sid^^ |
| 09:40.19 | vhuren | lets say its 5:00 and I add the entry |
| 09:40.19 | vhuren | 34 4 * * * sh /home/supernov/dbbackup |
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| 09:40.25 | vhuren | err.. |
| 09:40.31 | Guerin | !dstats sarge |
| 09:40.32 | rixth | I looked in gconf-editor andd couldn't find anything. I mean, it's intuitive, you create a DIRECTORY automatically, you shouldn't have to refresh to see it. Ubuntu (*cough*) didn't do that. |
| 09:40.36 | ironhawk | karsten: where do I find the netisntall? |
| 09:40.39 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 09:40.43 | ironhawk | I'm such a noob! |
| 09:40.51 | Guerin | !install debian |
| 09:40.51 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 09:40.55 | jetscreamer | !d-i ironhawk |
| 09:40.55 | dpkg | ironhawk, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:41.09 | karsten | ironhawk: Did you read the factoid? |
| 09:41.15 | jetscreamer | hey d-i has etch or sarge installers now |
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| 09:41.18 | karsten | !netinst |
| 09:41.19 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 09:41.19 | rixth | And everytime I apt-get a program, I have to log on and off for it to show up in the menu =/ |
| 09:41.23 | Guerin | jetscreamer: yes. |
| 09:41.29 | vhuren | lets say its 5:00 and I add the entry 5 5 * * * sh /home/supernov/dbbackup |
| 09:41.29 | jetscreamer | rixth: update menus |
| 09:41.30 | Guerin | rixth: aww, poor baby. |
| 09:41.36 | jetscreamer | rixth: update-menus |
| 09:41.41 | vhuren | that script will be ran at 5:05 today? |
| 09:41.43 | karsten | jetscreamer: Hrm. Is the netinst factoid out of date? |
| 09:41.48 | rixth | jetscreamer, I really don' |
| 09:42.01 | karsten | vhuren: That's the general plan. |
| 09:42.05 | rixth | t think I should have to run that, log off, log on just to get the icons, thats BS. |
| 09:42.05 | dbeal | anyway, Gnome isn't Debian |
| 09:42.08 | ironhawk | dpkg: withthat attitude,the ladies must be all over you |
| 09:42.10 | xoz | do you know if there is already a solution to the buggy code morphing bug borking X randomly? |
| 09:42.13 | vhuren | karsten: I have that but its not being executed ;0 |
| 09:42.18 | jetscreamer | rixth: here, as $user, i run update-menus and they show up |
| 09:42.20 | ironhawk | :-P |
| 09:42.20 | karsten | ironhawk: dpkg is a bot. |
| 09:42.23 | xoz | for transmet cpus |
| 09:42.28 | Guerin | !fuck ironhawk |
| 09:42.39 | Guerin | how could you not go for THAT? |
| 09:42.40 | qwertz_ | Hi! Are there some cell phones that I can synchronize under linux maybe even with my evoluion address book? |
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| 09:42.41 | ironhawk | ah, so they are all over him... damn bots... hehe |
| 09:42.47 | karsten | vhuren: Which crontab? |
| 09:42.55 | jetscreamer | !love Guerin |
| 09:43.11 | karsten | vhuren: personal crontab or /etc/crontab? Any '%' characters in the script? |
| 09:43.14 | paulswm | !irritate jetscreamer |
| 09:43.20 | dpkg | jetscreamer: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde hello? |
| 09:43.26 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite paulswm |
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| 09:43.37 | vhuren | karsten: person crontab and hmm.. |
| 09:43.38 | vhuren | today=`date +%w` |
| 09:43.41 | vhuren | i have that in the script |
| 09:43.45 | paulswm | Well that was a fun interlude |
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| 09:43.48 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 09:43.49 | karsten | vhuren: No, just in the crontab line. |
| 09:44.04 | karsten | vhuren: '%' == delimiter of script and script's stdin. |
| 09:44.20 | rixth | I swear my install of etch is F'ed. ALl I did was (after the base system) apt-get install x-window-system gnome-desktop |
| 09:44.31 | jetscreamer | man, ppl in #ubuntu are true clubies |
| 09:44.32 | vhuren | karsten: so how can I fix this? |
| 09:44.33 | EmleyMoor | My new motherboard has a VIA SATA controller on it - not that I have anything to use it with yet, but which options is it best to choose in the kernel if I want to have it ready to use? |
| 09:44.33 | rixth | Not much potential for screwing things up in there. |
| 09:44.34 | Guerin | karsten: oh, % has a special meaning in crontab lines? |
| 09:44.36 | karsten | rixth: And... ? |
| 09:44.40 | jetscreamer | 2.6 |
| 09:44.42 | karsten | Guerin: Yep. |
| 09:44.46 | jetscreamer | at a guess |
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| 09:45.03 | karsten | rixth: What exactly doesn't work? |
| 09:45.10 | beeblebrox87 | what's a good Free replacement for vmware? |
| 09:45.18 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: qemu |
| 09:45.22 | rixth | karsten, I don't think I should be having ANY problems, I know with other distros (even FC3!) I didn't have to put up with any crap. |
| 09:45.25 | vhuren | karsten: 0 3 * * * /home/vhuren/dbbackup <-- this is my crontab line |
| 09:45.29 | karsten | Guerin: man (5) crontab |
| 09:45.34 | Guerin | rixth: that I cannot believe |
| 09:45.35 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: isn't qemu a fair bit slower than vmware? |
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| 09:45.47 | rixth | karsten, things like after apt-getting a program, I have to update-menus, logoff, logon for them to be there. |
| 09:45.47 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: you said good, not identical. |
| 09:45.52 | jetscreamer | rixth: apt-get borks sometimes on large packages with many dependencies, or has for me. dselect is better. |
| 09:45.55 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 09:45.55 | dpkg | i guess fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 09:45.59 | karsten | Percent-signs (%) in the command unless escaped with backslash (\), will be changed into newline characters. |
| 09:46.08 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: vmware is a fair but less free than qemu, that balances it out. |
| 09:46.11 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: the qemu site claims that without the accelerator qemu is 5-10 times slower than native. and the accelerator isn't Free |
| 09:46.22 | karsten | rixth: That sounds like a Gnome menus misfeature. WMaker doesn't have that problem. |
| 09:46.23 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: yes. |
| 09:46.48 | jetscreamer | ah. let me rephrase then, come to think of it |
| 09:46.49 | karsten | rixth: Check BTS, file a bug if appropriate. |
| 09:46.55 | vhuren | karsten: I dont have % in the crontab line itself but only in my dbbackup script |
| 09:46.59 | rixth | Karsten, Gnome that is packaged by Debian, so I'd call it a problem with Gnome on behalf of Debian. |
| 09:47.06 | jetscreamer | rixth: here, as $user, i run update-menus and they show up (in ICEWM) |
| 09:47.12 | rixth | Oh, worth mentioning, I'm using Etch. |
| 09:47.20 | dbeal | http 401/404? |
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| 09:47.21 | karsten | !tell ironhawk about msg |
| 09:47.28 | jetscreamer | is there a #debian-gnome |
| 09:47.30 | Guerin | rixth: so file a fucking bug. Christ. |
| 09:47.39 | karsten | vhuren: It *only* matters on the crontab entry. |
| 09:47.49 | jetscreamer | nope |
| 09:47.49 | karsten | rixth: And I'd agree with you. |
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| 09:47.59 | vhuren | karsten: then i dont have one in the entry but I cant figure out why the script isnt working |
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| 09:48.01 | abrocadabro | is there a package in gnome that does workplace switching like enlightenment? it slide across the screen |
| 09:48.06 | karsten | rixth: There's a difference between, however "foo is fucked", and "foo is fucked because of bar". |
| 09:48.09 | jetscreamer | [04.47.54] -ChanServ- You do not have channel operator access to [#debian-gnome] <--i didn't ask for it you st00pid beeyatch |
| 09:48.09 | ironhawk | ah, ok, sorry |
| 09:48.15 | karsten | vhuren: Paste the crontab entry here. |
| 09:48.24 | jetscreamer | paste here?? |
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| 09:48.28 | rixth | Okay then, "Debian is Fucked becasue of Foo" |
| 09:48.32 | karsten | jetscreamer: crontab. 1 line. |
| 09:48.33 | rixth | Gnome*. |
| 09:48.34 | paulswm | rixth: *shrug* if you don't like the distro, switch to something else, one of the ones you think are better maybe |
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| 09:48.40 | Guerin | rixth: no. Foo in debian is fucked because of bar |
| 09:48.49 | karsten | rixth: The way it gets unfucked is you file a bug report. |
| 09:48.50 | Guerin | rixth: which is still arguable. |
| 09:48.52 | rixth | paulswm, but I DO like it! Just little annoyances like that. |
| 09:48.54 | karsten | !tell rixth about bts |
| 09:48.56 | vhuren | karsten: 0 3 * * * /home/vhuren/dbbackup <-- this is my entry |
| 09:49.01 | jetscreamer | !fuck gnome |
| 09:49.05 | abrocadabro | I thought foobar is fucked up beyond all repair |
| 09:49.10 | Guerin | rixth: gnome 2.10 will be in etch soon. |
| 09:49.14 | karsten | vhuren: dbbackup is executable? Runs from shell? |
| 09:49.14 | xoz | who said rixth is not fucked ? :) |
| 09:49.23 | ironhawk | thus far, I've been running Gimp via X11 on OS X... will it run better/ more efficiently on Linux |
| 09:49.25 | vhuren | karsten: yes it does. I chmod +x it |
| 09:49.27 | ironhawk | ? |
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| 09:49.32 | rixth | I shall restart, I havn't rebooted since I installed the base system. |
| 09:49.34 | rixth | brb. |
| 09:49.37 | Guerin | ironhawk: no real way of knowing. |
| 09:49.42 | jetscreamer | ironhawk: test it and let us know? |
| 09:49.42 | vhuren | karsten: I want the script to run every day at 3am i guess I have the right syntax |
| 09:49.50 | karsten | vhuren: cron is running? ;-) |
| 09:49.53 | vhuren | karsten: but I made the entry at 2:55am and nothing happened |
| 09:49.57 | Guerin | ironhawk: potentially not, since a lot of OSX's gui is hardware accellerated. |
| 09:50.08 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 09:50.15 | ironhawk | sure, why not... I'm downloading the netinstall now |
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| 09:50.19 | beeblebrox87 | what ever happened to plex86? |
| 09:50.26 | karsten | beeblebrox87: qemu |
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| 09:50.39 | konold | is there a clean way to add a comment to a diff so that it does not have a negativ impact on the patch utility? |
| 09:50.45 | danowoz | hey there, I was installing debian (over ftp) on my laptop and it froze afte it was done downloading, while it was unpacking everything. when I decided to restart and try agin it told me in needed to run "dpkg --configure -a" so I did. everything finnished and resarted it into a comand line, not gnome as expected. can anyone help me wiht this? |
| 09:50.46 | karsten | beeblebrox87: It runs in real time. It's not quite the same project, but same general idea. |
| 09:50.56 | vhuren | karsten: how do I check if its running? |
| 09:50.58 | beeblebrox87 | karsten: real time? |
| 09:51.03 | ironhawk | Guerin: well, I'll have to find Linux drivers for the graphics card anyhow |
| 09:51.07 | Guerin | danowoz: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome gdm |
| 09:51.16 | karsten | vhuren: 'ps aux | grep [c]ron' or '/etc/init.d/cron start' |
| 09:51.20 | beeblebrox87 | karsten: the qemu site claims that without the accelerator qemu is 5-10 times slower than native. and the accelerator isn't Free |
| 09:51.26 | karsten | beeblebrox87: plex86 is SLLLLLLOOOOOOWWWWW |
| 09:51.26 | tom2 | hi all, how can i configure my dash (sarge) to keep the last commands after restarting the pc. it is always empty |
| 09:51.30 | karsten | beeblebrox87: qemu's usable. |
| 09:51.35 | danowoz | ty, Guerin |
| 09:51.35 | tom2 | my bash |
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| 09:51.55 | Guerin | tom2: your history is always blank? |
| 09:51.57 | karsten | beeblebrox87: It's slower, yes. It's still usable. |
| 09:52.05 | tom2 | guerin: yes it is |
| 09:52.05 | xoz | beeblebrox87: if it's fast, it will not be implemented as emulator.. it will need a hw |
| 09:52.13 | beeblebrox87 | karsten: why is plex86 slooow, it just virtualizes doesn't it? |
| 09:52.15 | jetscreamer | enable bash_history in .bash_profile maybe, i forget the exact file.. but it's enabled by default in debian iirc |
| 09:52.28 | Guerin | tom2: can you read ~/.bash_history manually? |
| 09:52.49 | madsen | Does anyone know how to adjust printer margins on Sid (and an Epson Stylus C46)? I'm using CUPS... |
| 09:52.49 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: huh? it doesn't need to be an emulator, i'm running it on a system that can already run i386 code |
| 09:53.11 | vhuren | karsten: i dont have root on the machine |
| 09:53.34 | tom2 | guerin: ups, don't ask me why its not blank anymore. I don't know what I have done to it that it is there now |
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| 09:54.08 | xoz | beeblebrox87: processor emulator, it is. |
| 09:54.35 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: yes, where can i get a similar programme that doesn't waste time emulating a CPU that i already have? |
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| 09:54.48 | karsten | vhuren: ps should tell you. Or create a test job, say: '* * * * * touch /tmp/myfile' |
| 09:54.52 | xoz | beeblebrox87: usermode linux? |
| 09:55.04 | karsten | vhuren: ...which will create and/or update the timestamp on /tmp/myfile every minute. |
| 09:55.09 | vhuren | karsten: it doesnt seem to be running but I dont have root on the machine either.. |
| 09:55.10 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: but i'm not going to run linux |
| 09:55.20 | madsen | No one up for a little printer help? :( |
| 09:55.27 | karsten | vhuren: If it's not running, that might be a problem. |
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| 09:55.45 | giupy | hi all |
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| 09:55.47 | EmleyMoor | madsen: What's the problem with your little printer? <g> |
| 09:56.12 | xoz | beeblebrox87: what about xen? but there's no way to run another OS without emulating processor call. |
| 09:56.19 | giupy | is there a autocad like program in deb? |
| 09:56.29 | madsen | EmleyMoor: :) The margins are fscked up and I have no clue how to fix them. I tried the /etc/cups/ppd/epson_c46.ppd, but to no avail. :-/ |
| 09:56.29 | xoz | beeblebrox87: use dual core maybe |
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| 09:56.48 | madsen | giupy: What's autocad? |
| 09:56.53 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: how would dual core help? |
| 09:57.03 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... wouldn't know |
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| 09:57.10 | Ry12 | what opens sit files |
| 09:57.12 | EmleyMoor | My printer prints web pages too large |
| 09:57.15 | giupy | madsen: ehm..CAD? |
| 09:57.17 | jetscreamer | giupy: there are cad programs, i heard they aren't all that hot but i know nothing.. apt-cache search cad |
| 09:57.21 | jetscreamer | qcad is one i think |
| 09:57.22 | rixth | After a restart, icons now appear in the menu. I take my comments back! |
| 09:57.25 | jetscreamer | !info qcad |
| 09:57.26 | xoz | beeblebrox87: running the other OS in another core... media players will use this to record at the same time play movies |
| 09:57.29 | karsten | Ry12: 'file foo.sit'. What is a sit file? |
| 09:57.31 | dpkg | qcad: (A professional CAD System), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.0.4.0-1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2979 kB, Installed size: 12852 kB |
| 09:57.36 | karsten | Ry12: IIRC it's an archive format. |
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| 09:57.48 | karsten | Ry12: StuffIT? Mac stuff? |
| 09:57.53 | Ry12 | yep |
| 09:58.00 | Ry12 | no stuffit for linux though |
| 09:58.03 | karsten | Ry12: apt-cache search stuffit |
| 09:58.07 | xoz | beeblebrox87: separating one processor for a totally different operation... not just processes. |
| 09:58.08 | rixth | Directories also appear when I extract an archive, now I like, I like |
| 09:58.12 | karsten | !tell Ry12 about search |
| 09:58.17 | giupy | are cad files portables ? |
| 09:58.39 | madsen | karsten: apt-cache search stuffit will give nothing... 'cause there is none... |
| 09:58.41 | karsten | Ry12: No results AFAICT. |
| 09:58.45 | jetscreamer | computer assisted drafting? |
| 09:58.47 | karsten | giupy: Depends on the format. |
| 09:59.01 | karsten | madsen: There might be something which _deals_ _with_ stuffit files. |
| 09:59.13 | karsten | madsen: ...though as it turns out, there apparently isn't ;-) |
| 09:59.20 | madsen | karsten: Exactly... :) |
| 09:59.21 | jetscreamer | stuffit is an installer format isn't it? |
| 09:59.24 | vhuren | karsten: is it possible to start cron per a user? |
| 09:59.31 | madsen | jetscreamer: Nope, compression format. |
| 09:59.35 | madsen | Ry12: http://www.stuffit.com/unix/ |
| 09:59.38 | karsten | vhuren: No. It's a system service. |
| 09:59.40 | madsen | Ry12: But it's not free. |
| 09:59.57 | jetscreamer | err.... compression format used by some installer, rather... ? |
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| 10:00.09 | vhuren | karsten: so if I wasnt root there was no way I could of turned it off right? |
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| 10:00.13 | madsen | jetscreamer: Perhaps. |
| 10:00.21 | xoz | vhuren: perhaps you mean create your own cron? crontab -e as ordinary user |
| 10:00.29 | madsen | No one ever needed to adjust margins with CUPS?!? I can't believe it! |
| 10:00.40 | vhuren | xoz: yeah I already know that but I dont think daemon is online |
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| 10:00.53 | karsten | vhuren: Not likely. |
| 10:00.56 | xoz | vhuren: ahh.. |
| 10:01.00 | vhuren | k |
| 10:01.20 | karsten | vhuren: /var/run/crond.pid should hold the PID of the process, if it's running. |
| 10:01.29 | karsten | vhuren: Check that and 'ps' |
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| 10:01.44 | karsten | xoz: Won't do anything if crond isn't running. |
| 10:01.51 | madsen | vhuren: ps aux | grep cron |
| 10:01.56 | xoz | vhuren: what about at command |
| 10:01.56 | vhuren | karsten: no pid running ;0 |
| 10:02.02 | vhuren | madsen: already did that its not running |
| 10:02.10 | madsen | vhuren: Oh, ok. :) |
| 10:02.41 | ironhawk | any opinions on Yellow Dog? |
| 10:03.07 | xoz | ironhawk: it will have problems once mac move to intel processor :) |
| 10:03.19 | karsten | vhuren: Bug root. |
| 10:03.28 | karsten | vhuren: It should be. Indicates something's wrong with teh box. |
| 10:03.41 | karsten | ironhawk: I prefer blue dog, or chartreuse, myself. |
| 10:03.57 | madsen | xoz: Why? |
| 10:04.08 | ironhawk | xoz: hehe... I'm on a 933 G4.. and a 400mhz Clamshell iBook... what do I care about Intel? |
| 10:04.16 | Melfice` | he is gone to the dark side of the force |
| 10:04.22 | ironhawk | karsten: :-P |
| 10:04.38 | madsen | xoz: If you have OSX, then why on earth would you need those other... uhm... "OS"-es? |
| 10:04.40 | xoz | madsen: there are cases where you need one tool in another OS that can do your work the fastest. |
| 10:05.00 | jetscreamer | soon your precious powerbook will be ruled by intel the dark god |
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| 10:05.19 | jetscreamer | and there will be much gnashing of teeth |
| 10:05.20 | _Genghis | what can i do if apt-get does not create .conf file anymore cause the package was installed previously? |
| 10:05.33 | danowoz | Guerin: "reading packafe lists... Error! |
| 10:05.33 | ironhawk | madsen: X11 atop OS X seems a bit... ugly |
| 10:05.40 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 10:05.41 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 10:05.41 | rixth | Does anyone know how to convert MusePack (mpc) to mp3? (I've had the lecture about mp3, so I don't want it) |
| 10:05.47 | jetscreamer | _Genghis: --force-conf-files , man dpkg |
| 10:05.53 | jetscreamer | dklsan;kldflasdhf'lsadf |
| 10:05.56 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 10:05.59 | jetscreamer | i suck |
| 10:06.03 | danowoz | Problem parsing dependency Conflicts |
| 10:06.09 | madsen | ironhawk: Yeah, but Longhorn and XP are even uglier. |
| 10:06.17 | jetscreamer | dselect is > * |
| 10:06.28 | ironhawk | jetscreamer: actually, no... the G3 is soldered into the 'book, and the architectures aren't compatible :-P |
| 10:06.46 | jetscreamer | i mean new pb's |
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| 10:07.05 | jetscreamer | or powerbook the model line |
| 10:07.11 | ironhawk | jetscreamer: I'm completely indifferetn about the move to Intel |
| 10:07.16 | jetscreamer | not 'your' pb |
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| 10:07.20 | tbm | hello |
| 10:07.22 | jetscreamer | but your pb |
| 10:07.32 | tbm | i have just installed debian |
| 10:07.38 | _Genghis | mmm, that apt-get -o DPkg::Options= blabla aint working |
| 10:07.38 | tbm | i dont have any packages at all :] |
| 10:07.44 | tbm | well except... bitchx |
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| 10:07.49 | madsen | tbm: Done an apt-get update? |
| 10:07.50 | jetscreamer | ironhawk: me too. also indifferent about it using non-intel |
| 10:07.53 | tbm | but not start-x |
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| 10:08.03 | madsen | tbm: and setup some repos to use? |
| 10:08.03 | xoz | apple wants to be the next ibm pc and microsoft by selling cheap macs running intel |
| 10:08.05 | tbm | madsen no ... i have no clue how to use apt-get correctly |
| 10:08.06 | ironhawk | PowerPC is superior, but if X runs as well on Intel as on PowerPC,then fine... but Open Firmware kicks BIOS' ass! |
| 10:08.16 | Guerin | danowoz: apt-get -f install |
| 10:08.22 | jetscreamer | appel wants to make money you say |
| 10:08.22 | ironhawk | lol! |
| 10:08.26 | jetscreamer | apple even |
| 10:08.34 | danowoz | k |
| 10:08.40 | madsen | tbm: Ok, first make sure that you're using the repositories of your liking. Are you familiar with Linux at all? |
| 10:08.43 | ironhawk | yeah, well, it's steve jobs, man |
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| 10:08.48 | Guerin | _Genghis: what's not working about what? |
| 10:08.52 | tbm | madsen yeah i just switched from slack... |
| 10:08.58 | tbm | madsen i installed with aptitude |
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| 10:09.06 | madsen | tbm: Oh, good! |
| 10:09.11 | tbm | lol |
| 10:09.16 | tbm | not as leet as apt-get :| |
| 10:09.30 | tbm | anyways.. how would i get xorg... ? |
| 10:09.32 | _Genghis | Guerin: to install the config files once more using apt-get |
| 10:09.33 | madsen | tbm: Then start by editing /etc/apt/sources.list to use the right mirrors and repos. |
| 10:09.36 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: i don't think multicore would help at all. you know any software that will allow me to run two OSes on an SMP system? |
| 10:09.49 | danowoz | Guerin, Same error |
| 10:09.50 | madsen | tbm: xorg isn't in Debian yet (but it will be at some point). |
| 10:09.58 | _Genghis | i tried: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 10:09.59 | Guerin | _Genghis: apt-get install --reinstall foo |
| 10:10.02 | _Genghis | and it aint working |
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| 10:10.02 | initech | beeblebrox87: vmware? |
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| 10:10.06 | tbm | madsen, i think everything is working :] all i need to get x working |
| 10:10.07 | madsen | tbm: Any specific WM you prefer? |
| 10:10.07 | dobby | little question do I have to configure somthing special to access from the internet over ssh to my home computer? Because i get to the password prompt, can put in the password, but the then the system login hangs up? Any idea what could be wrong? |
| 10:10.08 | xoz | beeblebrox87: xen is working on that... and ibm is adopting there tech |
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| 10:10.16 | tbm | madsen fluxbox... i downloaded fluxbox... |
| 10:10.17 | xoz | *their* |
| 10:10.17 | ironhawk | Man Gimp rocks! |
| 10:10.24 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: you'd still have to emulate the hardware etc, the extra core would only be good for taking the CPU calls, and the first CPU can already do that |
| 10:10.27 | madsen | tbm: Downloaded? |
| 10:10.28 | initech | dobby: try ssh -vv |
| 10:10.29 | keikoz | hi all |
| 10:10.36 | tbm | madsen yeh with aptitude.. |
| 10:10.36 | Guerin | _Genghis: oh. -o=Apt::dpkg::force-confmiss='true' |
| 10:10.41 | ironhawk | I've been painting with it all fucking day |
| 10:10.48 | GULZADIN | PHP doesnt work on my server when I download it using apt-get |
| 10:10.48 | GULZADIN | :\ |
| 10:11.06 | tbm | madsen /msg madsen yes. hehe :) |
| 10:11.06 | Guerin | danowoz: wow, something's munted. rebuild your sources.list with apt-setup. |
| 10:11.18 | tbm | Linux skel 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:11.18 | ironhawk | I like the blend a smudge tools much better than PS' |
| 10:11.20 | ethics | so ive just loaded up a second kernel image as im upgradeing to it....it seems to not have the same network driver as before...is that plausable that theres a change to it? |
| 10:11.32 | GULZADIN | anyobe> |
| 10:11.35 | GULZADIN | anyone* ? |
| 10:11.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | gulzadin |
| 10:11.49 | xoz | beeblebrox87: you have a point there... but latency... and threads will make things faster in dual core |
| 10:11.52 | danowoz | awsome, in progress |
| 10:11.53 | dobby | initech: it sais Authentication succeeded bla... callback done, then channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32786 buth now it hangs |
| 10:11.53 | _Genghis | it downloads it, installs it, but still no config files |
| 10:11.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | do you have apache and the php module? |
| 10:12.13 | initech | GULZADIN: it's probably commented out in your apache setup ... look for it and uncomment, reload apache |
| 10:12.37 | xoz | _Genghis: apt-get --purge remove <package> ... apt-get install <pacakge> |
| 10:12.58 | GULZADIN | Kamping_Kaiser: I have Apache installed, up and running. Not sure about the PHP module ? |
| 10:13.06 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: and having an extra cpu will make things faster in dual core, yeah |
| 10:13.26 | initech | GULZADIN: look for it in the apache modules file. it's probab;y commented out, like I said |
| 10:13.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | libapache-mod-php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module) |
| 10:13.34 | xoz | _Genghis: or check /usr/share/doc/<package>/examples/ |
| 10:13.43 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: but vmware already virtualizes things, and i would think that would be simpler than full-blown emulation |
| 10:13.51 | GULZADIN | k |
| 10:13.55 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: so why aren't there any Free projects that do the same? |
| 10:14.15 | ethics | ahh i see nonfree...sucks to be me.. |
| 10:14.17 | initech | beeblebrox87: probably because no one's interested in it and it's very complicated? |
| 10:14.27 | xoz | beeblebrox87: vmware is way ahead in emulation and spent substantial amount of resources... trade secret. |
| 10:14.47 | tbm | /bin/sh: line 1: grepxfree86: command not found |
| 10:14.47 | tbm | dpkg-query: error writing `stdout': Broken pipe |
| 10:14.50 | _Genghis | xoz: nothing there |
| 10:14.50 | GULZADIN | libapache-mod-php4 is already the newest version. |
| 10:14.54 | tbm | ii xfree86-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure |
| 10:15.08 | xoz | _Genghis: what package again? |
| 10:15.14 | _Genghis | apache |
| 10:15.16 | _Genghis | 2 |
| 10:15.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | galzadin, make sure you have restarted apache, if it still wont load, then check your configs |
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| 10:15.32 | GULZADIN | k |
| 10:15.42 | GULZADIN | By the way, how do i restart apache? :S |
| 10:15.51 | danowoz | E; Problem parsinf dependency Conflicts E: Error occured while processing libc6-dev (newversion) E: problem with mergelist /var/lib/dpkg/status E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 10:15.55 | danowoz | :) |
| 10:16.04 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: linux is way ahead in operating systems and spent a substantial amount of resources... it's not a trade secret |
| 10:16.26 | beeblebrox87 | initech: well qemu has a module to do it but it isn't Free |
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| 10:17.13 | xoz | beeblebrox87: emulating unix is not really way ahead because unix docs are available whereas vmware is secret. |
| 10:17.30 | GULZADIN | how do i restart apache? :S |
| 10:17.48 | tbm | apachectl restart |
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| 10:18.06 | tbm | apache2ctl restart |
| 10:18.06 | GULZADIN | thanks! |
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| 10:18.34 | Melfice` | beeblebrox87: your nick reminds me smth not really fair |
| 10:18.55 | GULZADIN | tbm: Its still just downloading the PHP file from my server, doesnt process it :S |
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| 10:19.26 | initech | GULZADIN: for god's sake, PLEASE look at /etc/apache/modules.conf, for the last time |
| 10:19.32 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: vmware just emulates x86, and the x86 docs are available |
| 10:19.36 | GULZADIN | :S |
| 10:19.37 | GULZADIN | k sorry |
| 10:19.47 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: well actually vmware doesn't quite, but even if it did... |
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| 10:20.00 | Guerin | hrm, status is not the one which dselect can rebuild, is it? |
| 10:20.04 | GULZADIN | initech: Its loaded, not commented |
| 10:20.12 | caphuso | Guerin: correct |
| 10:20.13 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: correct me if i'm wrong, but it would seem to me that vmware should be SIMPLER than qemu |
| 10:20.28 | Guerin | caphuso: no way of rebuilding it? |
| 10:20.29 | danowoz | Guerin, Should I start over? |
| 10:20.33 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: since qemu emulates the whole CPU, and vmware just runs most of it on the host processor |
| 10:20.36 | Guerin | danowoz: probably easiest. |
| 10:20.36 | caphuso | status is the important one you should never ever under any circumstances loose |
| 10:20.39 | beeblebrox87 | Melfice`: hmm? |
| 10:20.53 | _Genghis | odd, i tried it 3 times, and the fourth time it worked |
| 10:20.59 | _Genghis | and i did exactly the same thing lol |
| 10:21.00 | initech | GULZADIN: in your httpd.conf, there are lines like "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" - are they commented out? |
| 10:21.01 | Nigel | hmmm, little problem here, again relating to ldap, but not directly this time, any reason when /etc/nsswitch.conf are the same that "/tmp/.X11-unix" creation would freeze? |
| 10:21.03 | danowoz | :| gonna be a long night here:| |
| 10:21.03 | caphuso | Guerin: copying back /var/lib/dpkg/status-old |
| 10:21.06 | xoz | beeblebrox87: vmware is doing something that maybe is patented? |
| 10:21.13 | caphuso | Guerin: failing that, /var/backups/dpkg.status.* |
| 10:21.19 | caphuso | Guerin: and if that fails too, it gets nasty |
| 10:21.23 | Melfice` | beeblebrox87: b3eblebr0x actually |
| 10:21.26 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: a, that doesn't make it more complicated. b, what? |
| 10:21.45 | Guerin | caphuso: this one got fucked up on install, so it's unlikely there's a good backup there |
| 10:21.50 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: "maybe is patented"? patents are publicly available. |
| 10:21.54 | Guerin | danowoz: try what caphuso suggested, though |
| 10:22.11 | caphuso | if it happened on install, just reinstall |
| 10:22.14 | GULZADIN | I got problems with Webmin too, now. I had PHP 4.1.x so I upgraded and now Webmin says this |
| 10:22.15 | GULZADIN | Can't locate Sys/Hostname.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./web-lib.pl line 1645. |
| 10:22.15 | GULZADIN | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./web-lib.pl line 1645. |
| 10:22.15 | GULZADIN | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/webmin/linuxmc2/index.cgi line 10. |
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| 10:22.16 | beeblebrox87 | xoz: and xen will do the same thing, and plex86 almost managed to do the same thing, so i sure hope it's not patented |
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| 10:22.21 | GULZADIN | errr, sorry :S |
| 10:22.28 | GULZADIN | didnt know it would be that long |
| 10:22.30 | ethics | dpkg, nonfree 2.6.11 kernel source is http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/kernel-source-nonfree-2.6.11/ |
| 10:22.30 | dpkg | okay, ethics |
| 10:22.37 | Melfice` | GULZADIN: you should learn to read a topic |
| 10:23.00 | GULZADIN | Melfice`: I have, thats why I said sorry. Wait up :( |
| 10:23.01 | beeblebrox87 | ethics: what's nonfree in the kernel source? |
| 10:23.01 | jetscreamer | wtf does a non-free kernel have that one from kernel.org doesn't |
| 10:23.19 | Guerin | jetscreamer: suck and see |
| 10:23.25 | xoz | beeblebrox87: yeah, development will be faster if ideas are not patented. lucky us software is not yet patented although it's moving there. |
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| 10:23.39 | danowoz | I must have missed what caphuso said to do... I am retying |
| 10:24.01 | jetscreamer | !confuse Guerin also |
| 10:24.02 | dpkg | No, who are our ferret yesterday, Guerin also? lederhosen of the democracy of swaziland with extra anchovies |
| 10:24.04 | ethics | beeblebrox87, some drivers were stripped because of possible legal issues.. |
| 10:24.19 | ethics | beeblebrox87, they are working it out but im using it anyways hehe |
| 10:24.22 | paster | "GULZADIN" at 203.128.5.7 pasted "Webmin/PHP/Perl/Apache - Im confused :s" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/209 |
| 10:24.30 | tbm | .. |
| 10:24.31 | tbm | ok |
| 10:24.50 | tbm | um |
| 10:24.52 | Nigel | why does dpkg remind me of one of those typing tutors? |
| 10:24.56 | jetscreamer | /lastlog caphuso <--no trailing space |
| 10:25.00 | tbm | i got xserver-common and xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:25.03 | tbm | but startx still dont work |
| 10:25.10 | jetscreamer | bite the bullet |
| 10:25.17 | jetscreamer | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 10:25.30 | jetscreamer | nothing wrong with twm |
| 10:25.39 | GULZADIN | tbm: Can u have a look at my paste ? |
| 10:26.00 | tbm | where at hold |
| 10:26.13 | jetscreamer | damn, i haven't booted into windows in a while... gee. |
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| 10:26.28 | tbm | GULZADIN ???????? |
| 10:26.31 | jetscreamer | i went >6 months once |
| 10:26.38 | jetscreamer | [05.24.33] <paster> "GULZADIN" at 203.128.5.7 pasted "Webmin/PHP/Perl/Apache - Im confused :s" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/209 |
| 10:26.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | your missing pearl afaik |
| 10:26.53 | tbm | ... |
| 10:26.53 | Xuse | you don't need windows for anything (unless you play games) |
| 10:27.02 | tbm | well i dont have xwindows :\ |
| 10:27.06 | jetscreamer | or unless you like coding .net |
| 10:27.09 | danowoz | I am installing from the boot floppies.. how can I start without usb support...( it keeps hanging after it assigns usb to bus number1 |
| 10:27.10 | tbm | i do wanna play some games |
| 10:27.11 | jetscreamer | but there's mono |
| 10:27.19 | tbm | jetscreamer not always. |
| 10:27.42 | Xuse | I have consoles for gaming. |
| 10:27.43 | jetscreamer | or, unless you make money supporting windows users! yeah baby, job security! |
| 10:27.45 | GULZADIN | tam: http://channels.debian.net/paste/209 |
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| 10:28.19 | jetscreamer | damn i forgot to go fix a client's kid's box |
| 10:28.20 | tbm | tam ? |
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| 10:28.31 | GULZADIN | err |
| 10:28.33 | GULZADIN | tbm* |
| 10:28.33 | GULZADIN | :S |
| 10:28.35 | tbm | im not talking about windows |
| 10:28.40 | bob2 | er |
| 10:28.42 | tbm | my xserver isnt workin |
| 10:28.46 | tbm | because didnt install it |
| 10:28.52 | bob2 | tbm: could you change your nick? |
| 10:28.53 | Nigel | jetscreamer: your clients give their goat's a computer? |
| 10:28.59 | tbm | bob2 ? |
| 10:29.10 | tarzeau | hi bob2 |
| 10:29.19 | jetscreamer | Nigel: these could if they wanted :/ |
| 10:29.19 | bob2 | tbm: you (unintentially or not) have the same nick as a former dpl |
| 10:29.23 | bob2 | which you aobviously are not |
| 10:29.33 | tbm | er |
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| 10:29.49 | jetscreamer | !dpl |
| 10:29.53 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Branden Robinson ("Overfiend"). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 10:29.54 | GULZADIN | Someone :/ |
| 10:29.59 | theboneman | :o |
| 10:30.00 | GULZADIN | http://channels.debian.net/paste/209 |
| 10:30.09 | Nigel | jetscreamer: kid = young goat |
| 10:30.13 | ethics | ahh well back to my old kernels it would seem 8( |
| 10:30.19 | jetscreamer | GULZADIN: i think somebody said you don't have pearl |
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| 10:30.22 | martinja1 | hi |
| 10:30.31 | jetscreamer | Nigel: yes i know and that's exactly what i meant |
| 10:30.53 | martinja1 | How can I know which gfx driver I should choose at the Debain installation? I am on an ati 9800 pro card |
| 10:30.54 | jetscreamer | [05.26.59] <Kamping_Kaiser> your missing pearl afaik |
| 10:31.02 | Whisky_ | jetscreamer: but I have it. |
| 10:31.02 | Whisky_ | perl: /usr/bin/perl /etc/perl /usr/lib/perl /usr/local/lib/perl /usr/share/perl /usr/share/man/man1/perl.1.gz |
| 10:31.03 | drac | martinja1: ati |
| 10:31.14 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 10:31.18 | tam | hi all, how do you scroll up inside a screen? |
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| 10:31.24 | jetscreamer | shift+pgup |
| 10:31.25 | martinja1 | hehehe |
| 10:31.27 | martinja1 | didnt see it |
| 10:31.30 | martinja1 | Thanksdrac |
| 10:31.34 | martinja1 | thx drac |
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| 10:31.49 | theboneman | how would i get xserver to work |
| 10:31.56 | bob2 | Whisky_: your perl install is screwed |
| 10:32.00 | martinja1 | How or where do I find the video cards bus identifer? |
| 10:32.00 | jetscreamer | install it |
| 10:32.02 | jetscreamer | or startx |
| 10:32.05 | bob2 | martinja1: leave it blank |
| 10:32.08 | martinja1 | thx |
| 10:32.15 | theboneman | um |
| 10:32.19 | theboneman | ... i did install it |
| 10:32.26 | jetscreamer | see 2nd response |
| 10:32.36 | bob2 | tam: ctrl-a [ >pgup< |
| 10:32.36 | theboneman | i did startx |
| 10:32.45 | jetscreamer | what did you install |
| 10:32.49 | Whisky_ | ok im apt-get removing it and apt-get installing again, is that ok? |
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| 10:32.56 | bob2 | Whisky_: you can't remove perl |
| 10:32.58 | theboneman | ???????????/ |
| 10:32.58 | bob2 | it's Essential |
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| 10:33.04 | jetscreamer | Whisky_: apt-get remove --purge if you want |
| 10:33.08 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 10:33.09 | bob2 | theboneman: please stop being so annoying if you want help |
| 10:33.25 | jetscreamer | theboneman: what exactly did you install |
| 10:33.26 | bob2 | theboneman: what does "dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 | tail -n1" print out? |
| 10:33.27 | Whisky_ | kk |
| 10:33.30 | theboneman | wtf... dude.. |
| 10:33.38 | theD3viL | If any ready to help me with shoutcast radio server on debian please query me! |
| 10:33.44 | theboneman | ii xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 the XFree86 X server |
| 10:33.55 | Xuse | theboneman needs to do some reading. :) |
| 10:33.56 | Nigel | Whisky_: it's kinda like "dpkg" you can install it, but if you remove it, your system is a gonna |
| 10:33.59 | nagual | hey im ready |
| 10:34.05 | theboneman | um... |
| 10:34.05 | nagual | question is wether im gonna do it. |
| 10:34.08 | danowoz | I am installing from the boot floppies.. how can I start without usb support...( it keeps hanging after it assigns usb to bus number1 |
| 10:34.24 | bob2 | Whisky_: sudo apt-get --reinstall install perl perl-modules |
| 10:34.29 | theD3viL | nagual: pvt ;) |
| 10:34.34 | bob2 | theboneman: so, install the x-window-system package |
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| 10:35.02 | martinja1 | Does anyone have a tool to resize the iPod photo drive to install debian onto it? |
| 10:35.12 | jetscreamer | if twm didn't by default make you hold the mouse button to move in menus i bet more ppl would use it |
| 10:35.15 | theD3viL | nagual: i have problem with sleeping... it says [sleeping] (listeners 0) ... |
| 10:36.02 | martinja1 | What is a good book on linux to read? |
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| 10:36.13 | bahutnoenie | Hello |
| 10:36.17 | martinja1 | Hi |
| 10:36.17 | jetscreamer | OMFG sid took my beloved gnome-terminal |
| 10:36.20 | papa | I have a problem to install kernel-image-2.4.27 on the new stable(sarge) version of debian. |
| 10:36.21 | Guerin | martinja1: the Debian Reference |
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| 10:36.25 | jetscreamer | or changed the alts |
| 10:36.26 | Guerin | !reference |
| 10:36.26 | dpkg | i guess reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 10:36.43 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: omg you really use gnome-terminal ? |
| 10:36.50 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: yeah i like it |
| 10:36.52 | bahutnoenie | Is there some program that converts mp3 to ogg good? |
| 10:37.01 | tarzeau | bahutnoenie: no |
| 10:37.04 | jetscreamer | bahutnoenie: it'd be on marillat |
| 10:37.07 | Xuse | mp3 > ogg loses quality. |
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| 10:37.28 | bob2 | martinja1: I hear the "linux in a nutshell" book by o'reilly is pretty good |
| 10:37.30 | papa | Could anyone helpme? |
| 10:37.31 | bahutnoenie | still? |
| 10:37.39 | martinja1 | Any conversion will loose some quality, maybe not so much if you are doing looseless |
| 10:37.45 | bahutnoenie | I thought it was a view months ago that it has that issue |
| 10:37.46 | martinja1 | Cheers for the recommendations |
| 10:37.47 | Whisky_ | -bash: /usr/sbin/apachectl: No such file or directory |
| 10:37.47 | bob2 | papa: that's pretty old |
| 10:37.50 | Whisky_ | screw :S |
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| 10:38.01 | bahutnoenie | so I need to ogg my mp3s |
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| 10:38.03 | martinja1 | bob2: do you think it might be a good idea to wait for debian 3.1 linux bible? |
| 10:38.03 | Xuse | martinjal well duh, but mp3 to ogg is just stupid. |
| 10:38.06 | beeblebrox87 | bahutnoenie: it's not a bug or anything, converting between formats looses quality |
| 10:38.07 | bahutnoenie | what program does it best at the moment? |
| 10:38.14 | Guerin | bahutnoenie: decode to stdout, pipe to eggenc on stdin. But it's NOT a good idea. |
| 10:38.15 | bob2 | martinja1: hm, depends how impatient you are :) |
| 10:38.19 | nomed^ | hi |
| 10:38.21 | drac | Whisky_: /etc/init.d/apache restart is how you restart apache. |
| 10:38.21 | bob2 | bahutnoenie: "need", why? |
| 10:38.23 | Guerin | bahutnoenie: a shell oneliner. |
| 10:38.24 | martinja1 | He might have a validreason to need ogg |
| 10:38.31 | Xuse | I doubt it. |
| 10:38.40 | bahutnoenie | why use mp3 when you can use ogg? |
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| 10:38.48 | beeblebrox87 | bahutnoenie: dir2ogg is nice, but unless you're low on disk space it's not worth it |
| 10:38.48 | bahutnoenie | are you seriously asking me that? |
| 10:38.57 | bob2 | bahutnoenie: er, because you're losing quality for no reason? |
| 10:39.04 | rixth | bahutnoenie, ogg is not supported in portable players very well |
| 10:39.06 | bob2 | bahutnoenie: ripping things to ogg is a great idea |
| 10:39.08 | beeblebrox87 | bahutnoenie: use mp3 for files you get as mp3, use ogg for files you get as wav or CD or flac or ogg or whatever |
| 10:39.08 | martinja1 | I am prettypateient, |
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| 10:39.16 | nomed^ | the cmd runlevel returns unknown .. i suppose this is not normal .. as my bootup :( how can i check where the problem is? |
| 10:39.18 | martinja1 | Do you think Debian 3.1 bible will be good? |
| 10:39.21 | bob2 | converting existing lossy files to vorbis seems silly |
| 10:39.29 | Xuse | Indeed. |
| 10:39.29 | bob2 | martinja1: do you have a link for it? |
| 10:39.31 | Guerin | bahutnoenie: why do you even HAVE ogg? Go back to the original lossless source. |
| 10:39.43 | martinja1 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764576445/qid=1118486186/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-9298595-2132659?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
| 10:39.43 | Guerin | err, s/ogg/mp3/ in that last |
| 10:39.45 | bob2 | martinja1: I think it might be the one written by a bunch of debian people |
| 10:39.48 | bob2 | martinja1: thanks |
| 10:39.49 | Xuse | I only have flacs on my computer. :p |
| 10:39.59 | martinja1 | It is written by atleast one debian person |
| 10:40.43 | Guerin | rixth: or not much mnusic |
| 10:40.48 | bob2 | heh, I rip to flacs and low bit-rate vorbis for my iaudio |
| 10:41.13 | rixth | If Sony's Atrac were open source, it'd be a killer. |
| 10:41.14 | Guerin | mine are mp3, but that's only because I have a mp3cd player but no oggplayer |
| 10:41.18 | martinja1 | Do you think that book will be any good? |
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| 10:41.35 | bob2 | martinja1: heh, one of the authors of that book is in this channel right now |
| 10:41.41 | bob2 | martinja1: I think it will be pretty good, yeah :) |
| 10:41.46 | martinja1 | hehehe |
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| 10:41.50 | martinja1 | Who? |
| 10:42.00 | bob2 | martinja1: electricelf |
| 10:42.01 | bob2 | hrm |
| 10:42.04 | martinja1 | I have been waiting for that book for the last 6 months |
| 10:42.05 | bob2 | who isn't here atm |
| 10:42.08 | bob2 | but usually is |
| 10:42.17 | Xuse | I have a decent amount of music, and only 2 hardrives. |
| 10:42.26 | rixth | Xuse, decent? |
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| 10:43.00 | martinja1 | 5000 songs? |
| 10:43.01 | Xuse | yeah about 200 albums or so. |
| 10:43.08 | rixth | http://www.fishpond.co.nz/index.php?cPath=116_117_118_622 << That's horrible.$49.95 for Sarge 2 dvds. |
| 10:43.11 | bob2 | hm, same here-ish |
| 10:43.17 | rixth | $70 for 14 cds. |
| 10:43.23 | bob2 | I need to write something to index it |
| 10:43.26 | bob2 | but I'm so lazy |
| 10:43.31 | Xuse | and even if i did run out of space, i could just burn them all to dvd's. |
| 10:43.51 | rixth | Winamp had a good feature, you could generate a HTML list of all your songs |
| 10:43.53 | martinja1 | Or get a new HDD. theyre so cheap |
| 10:44.04 | bob2 | yeah, 10 flac'd albums/dvd is pretty good |
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| 10:44.10 | Xuse | martinjal: true. |
| 10:44.13 | martinja1 | Does it still have it rixth? |
| 10:44.17 | rixth | bob2, there's some application which will automatically inser tsong info into a SQL database, which you could then craft reports from |
| 10:44.27 | rixth | Yep |
| 10:44.27 | martinja1 | Heck even those usb-ide adapters are so cheap now as well |
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| 10:45.09 | jetscreamer | guess i'll burn my spiffy new sarge dvd's |
| 10:45.25 | martinja1 | 70 USD for 14 cds? |
| 10:45.36 | martinja1 | That is pretty steep |
| 10:45.38 | initech | i got 2 dvd's for $20 US |
| 10:45.40 | rixth | martinja1, $70 New Zealand dollars. |
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| 10:45.45 | initech | debianvendor.org |
| 10:45.49 | jetscreamer | i got 2 dvd's for free |
| 10:45.51 | martinja1 | How is their rate to the USD? |
| 10:45.52 | rixth | One NZ$ = .71US$ |
| 10:45.54 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 10:46.03 | martinja1 | ole |
| 10:46.07 | martinja1 | I am in Debian! |
| 10:46.33 | Xuse | The net install is great. ;p |
| 10:46.41 | martinja1 | Ye |
| 10:46.49 | rixth | EasyTag is such a brilliant program. |
| 10:46.59 | Nigel | rixth: nah, that's ok, i'd pay NZ$70 for the 14CD's |
| 10:47.05 | Xuse | I use ex-falso for tagging. |
| 10:47.09 | martinja1 | I used the net install. Nice that they have good speeds on the server. Was getting 1200 kbyte/s |
| 10:47.20 | magnus | newbie needs help compiling a kernel module from source under deb 2.6.8. I have downloaded kernel-sources, and tried make KERNELPATH=/foo but compiler seems to be missing something, like headers. pls help! |
| 10:47.27 | initech | martinja1: my dvd players gets 20MB/sec :) |
| 10:47.36 | martinja1 | hehehe |
| 10:47.42 | bob2 | magnus: what module? |
| 10:47.50 | magnus | atheros wireless module |
| 10:47.51 | martinja1 | I will move to S.Korea to have match that |
| 10:48.02 | bob2 | magnus: you don't need to download the kernel source |
| 10:48.10 | Nigel | rixth: if you so object to buying the full CD's get a netinstall disk, they are only ~114MB |
| 10:48.14 | bob2 | magnus: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 10:48.32 | rixth | Nigel, I know, I was just pointing that out. |
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| 10:48.55 | rixth | Does anyone stick to a strict tagging system for their songs? |
| 10:48.56 | Nigel | rixth: note that i'm also a kiwi |
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| 10:49.10 | martinja1 | I would sell 14 cds for 70 usd :) |
| 10:49.17 | rixth | Oh indeed :) I actually just netinst'd a couple hours ago |
| 10:49.28 | EmleyMoor | What's the command to search for which packages provide a file? |
| 10:49.47 | caphuso | EmleyMoor: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:49.59 | initech | EmleyMoor: easiest way is to install auto-apt I find, then use that |
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| 10:50.18 | martinja1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.28 | magnus | it seems it does not find the package linux-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 10:50.31 | idealbsd | EmleyMoor, apt-file search xxx |
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| 10:51.06 | drac | magnus: kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 10:51.11 | martinja1 | scary how easily it crashes |
| 10:51.16 | fjavier | hi, is there some manner to generate an email plain text to read it in different languages????? similar to html email localized, but with plain email text anexed :) |
| 10:51.27 | magnus | thx that is better |
| 10:51.40 | initech | idealbsd: does apt-file search through packages that are not installed? |
| 10:52.00 | magnus | ok so it is downloading headers... then just run make in source idr? |
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| 10:52.55 | drac | magnus: Is that module you are compiling, from apt-get? |
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| 10:53.23 | initech | idealbsd: yes it does ... cool |
| 10:53.42 | martinja1 | Damn it, mirc keeps on disconnecting me |
| 10:53.58 | EmleyMoor | Using mIRC? |
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| 10:54.28 | idealbsd | initech, yes, first you should run apt-file update which will take a long time, maybe you should find the file in http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 10:54.30 | jetx | hey wth is this tmpfs garbage/error thingy |
| 10:54.37 | magnus | drac: hmm I dont know... experimented a while ago with Marlows deb package but never got it working. if I look in apt.sources it seems to be coming from ethz.ch |
| 10:54.49 | jetx | -maxdepth ? |
| 10:54.53 | magnus | drac: I installed it from within synaptic |
| 10:54.59 | jetx | bad defaults? |
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| 10:55.42 | jetx | i see that nobody knows |
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| 10:56.21 | drac | magnus: Ah, dunno then. But usually is package is say.. 'xxxyyyzzz-source' from APT, you can use module-assistant to build and install it (apt-get install module-assistant) with an command 'm-a a-i xxxyyyzzz'. Just not sure will it work on non-debian package like that. |
| 10:56.25 | jetx | brbb |
| 10:56.34 | liran | im bored |
| 10:56.51 | liran | my g/f went off with my friends to the zoo |
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| 10:56.57 | liran | bitch |
| 10:57.14 | Melfice` | liran: that's the most funny thing I have ever seen |
| 10:57.20 | qzio | why didnt you tag along then? |
| 10:57.28 | Xuse | wow a linux user with a girlfriend, that can't be right. |
| 10:57.33 | liran | i wasnt in the mood |
| 10:57.41 | liran | heh |
| 10:57.44 | Melfice` | to the zoo .. roflmao |
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| 10:57.51 | liran | ahh hehe |
| 10:57.52 | Guerin | liran: good for her, boring motherfucker |
| 10:57.56 | Melfice` | it is liek a great place to go out |
| 10:58.05 | liran | Guerin, nah, she pissed me off |
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| 10:58.08 | Guerin | liran: you just wanted to sit in front of your computer and pretend to be 1337 on irc |
| 10:58.10 | guille | guillermo |
| 10:58.13 | Gnea | well |
| 10:58.18 | liran | lol |
| 10:58.19 | magnus | thankx drac, bob2 the modules compiled correctly... it seems... I will look into module-assistance in the future... |
| 10:58.21 | Gnea | you can either watch tv and see the monkeys there |
| 10:58.26 | Gnea | or go to the zoo and see the monkeys THERE |
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| 10:58.31 | guille | guillermo |
| 10:58.45 | liran | Guerin, i actually wanted to spend the weekend just us alone |
| 10:58.51 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:58.55 | liran | Guerin, but she pissed me off so fuck her |
| 10:59.01 | Gnea | heh |
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| 10:59.10 | Melfice` | liran: for the next one http://infohost.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html |
| 10:59.10 | liran | but now im bored heh |
| 10:59.11 | Gujiz | Anyone know command to zip directory ? |
| 10:59.13 | Guerin | liran: and with an attitude like that, I'm sure you WON'T |
| 10:59.22 | Guerin | Gujiz: man zip |
| 10:59.27 | papa | I have a problem with the installation of kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386_2.4.27-10_i386.deb packet on the new stabe (sarge) version of debian. |
| 10:59.48 | papa | Could anyone help me? |
| 10:59.58 | Gnea | !tell papa about ask |
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| 11:00.23 | Guerin | papa: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386; not working? |
| 11:00.47 | liable | papa: have you upgraded from woody, or installed sarge? |
| 11:01.03 | Xuse | I'm starting to think liran's girlfriend isn't really off to the zoo. |
| 11:01.12 | Melfice` | now I wanna go to the zoo too |
| 11:01.20 | liran | Xuse, careful there |
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| 11:01.26 | papa | I have upgrade from woody and all it's oK. |
| 11:01.32 | Melfice` | makes me remember it has been a long time since I haven't go there, lovely place *shrug* |
| 11:01.40 | Xuse | haha you're worried. |
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| 11:01.44 | Melfice` | papa: would be wise to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html as well |
| 11:01.53 | Gnea | papa: you're not being very specific nor very informative |
| 11:02.29 | initech | man there are a lot of new people trying debian since sarge released |
| 11:02.49 | papa | I trie install with aptitude and I get fowlowing errors: |
| 11:02.57 | Guerin | paste not! |
| 11:02.58 | liable | no |
| 11:03.03 | Guerin | lest ye be pasted! |
| 11:03.11 | drc_ | Is there a way to change alt-esc in xterm under X. It's a bit annoying as esc works like alt usually does |
| 11:03.18 | drc_ | I tried to google, nothing. |
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| 11:03.38 | liable | papa: two lines at the most or paste it somewhere |
| 11:03.43 | initech | drc_: are you on a x86 pc? |
| 11:03.56 | papa | Setting up kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 (2.4.27-10) ... |
| 11:03.56 | papa | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: checkpkg: dpkg -s modutils failed |
| 11:03.56 | papa | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 11:03.56 | papa | dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 (--configure): |
| 11:03.56 | papa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:04.05 | drc_ | initech: yes |
| 11:04.31 | Nigel | Guerin: heh, some people just don't read heh |
| 11:04.43 | Melfice` | fortunately we told him nto two paste more than 2 lines |
| 11:04.53 | Guerin | quelle idiot |
| 11:05.06 | rixth | Nigel, here's an offtopic question, who won the rugby? Lions or NZ Maori? |
| 11:05.17 | Nigel | rixth: Maori |
| 11:05.20 | initech | drc_: google for "meta esc xmodmap" |
| 11:05.23 | rixth | Woop. |
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| 11:05.28 | drc_ | initech: ok, thanks |
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| 11:06.32 | EmleyMoor | Will civctp (commercial) run on sarge? |
| 11:07.47 | Gathond | EmleyMoor: probably, but what does the company selling it say it supports? |
| 11:07.54 | Nigel | hmmm, like Ctrl+Alt+Del gets you into INIT 6, how can i shortcut myself into INIT 1 |
| 11:08.11 | Nigel | fed up of rebooting :P |
| 11:08.50 | Gathond | Nigel: make a shortcut (/etc/inittab) like hte ctrl-alt-delete one with another target |
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| 11:09.04 | EmleyMoor | Before that, how can I type a u with umlaut? |
| 11:09.09 | Nigel | there isn't a default? |
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| 11:09.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | nigel "init 1" |
| 11:09.30 | Gathond | Nigel: not for init 1 no |
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| 11:09.55 | Nigel | Kamping_Kaiser: no, because init 2 causes problems (trial and error'ing with /etc/nsswitch.conf) |
| 11:09.57 | Gathond | Nigel: you can just open any terminal and use init 1 directly |
| 11:10.14 | Gathond | Nigel: having that as a default would enable any user of the box to but it into maintanance mode |
| 11:10.46 | Gathond | Nigel: not log in there, but effectively putting it offline |
| 11:10.46 | Nigel | Gathond: but needing root passwd ;) |
| 11:10.46 | liable | Nigel: what do you actually want to do? |
| 11:10.48 | Gathond | Nigel: not to make it unavailable for others |
| 11:11.20 | EmleyMoor | Pentium 133 or better (II for video), 32Mb RAM, 80 swap, 400Mb disk free + 225 for video, 4x or better CD drive, kernel 2.0 or 2.2 (though I used it OK with 2.4, I now use 2.6), X11R6, configured sound card, network card (for multi-player) |
| 11:11.21 | Nigel | liable: i'm tring to get LDAP to work, sadly the recommended /etc/nsswitch.conf isn't working etc, i'm tring to get it into the working most state, but yeah |
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| 11:11.36 | Nigel | it's freezing at "Starting MTA" now... |
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| 11:11.55 | Nigel | oh well, i'll send another INIT 6 and go into recovery again |
| 11:12.15 | jetx | hey, never run screen -DmS screener & in .bashrc |
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| 11:12.54 | jetx | so how do i get screen to run on login w/o having to type it |
| 11:13.02 | drc_ | initech: unfortunately I don't understand much of those pages I find. They don't clearly state what to do, and Im not that expert. |
| 11:13.29 | jetx | screen & give me 'you need a console' or something |
| 11:13.46 | flosch | hi |
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| 11:15.27 | jetx | oh and why the flashing big white bar when i hit bckspace at a prompt |
| 11:15.53 | EmleyMoor | jetx: Does it say "Woof! Woof!"? |
| 11:16.38 | xoz | jetx: place: set bell-style none in /etc/inputrc |
| 11:17.14 | ]]udOn[[ | $B$3$C$3$*$3(B |
| 11:17.45 | liable | ]]udOn[[: english, wrong locale! |
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| 11:20.19 | jetx | thx xoz |
| 11:20.27 | ]]udOn[[ | $B$O$$(B |
| 11:20.34 | jetx | that's for the flashy white bar eh |
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| 11:20.53 | jetx | ]]udOn[[: $B$O$$(B to you too |
| 11:21.04 | ]]udOn[[ | sorry |
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| 11:22.20 | ethics | dumbass discover/hotplug switched all my ethernet devices around on kernel downgrade heheh |
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| 11:22.36 | theboneman | ; |
| 11:22.47 | jetx | i removed discover/hotplug as soon as i could |
| 11:22.51 | theboneman | l |
| 11:22.59 | jetx | i use it on the remote boxes though |
| 11:23.16 | theboneman | anyone know why .Xdefaults wont work in debian? |
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| 11:23.56 | xoz | theboneman: tried .Xresources? |
| 11:24.04 | d3bian | which debian version u have bnoneman |
| 11:24.22 | theboneman | nope, so instead of .Xdefaults xoz use .Xresources |
| 11:24.30 | theboneman | d3bian sarge |
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| 11:24.55 | xoz | theboneman: try copying .Xdefaults to .Xresources |
| 11:24.59 | theboneman | k |
| 11:25.02 | d3bian | do u log on using startx or thru a display manager binema |
| 11:25.12 | xoz | theboneman: and restart X ... xdb -merge .Xresources |
| 11:25.27 | theboneman | ok |
| 11:25.39 | funkyhat | i'm getting problems with apt.... do i need to change anything since the release of sarge? |
| 11:25.52 | cahoot | theboneman: or load it via xrdb |
| 11:25.52 | theboneman | restart it or xdb -merge .Xresources then restart :] |
| 11:26.05 | theboneman | ... |
| 11:26.06 | xoz | theboneman: just restart X |
| 11:26.08 | theboneman | ok |
| 11:26.13 | theboneman | brb |
| 11:26.35 | drac | funkyhat: Change 'testing' to 'stable' (or 'sarge') if you want to stay with Sarge. |
| 11:26.49 | drac | funkyhat: If not, remove security -line and keep using testing. |
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| 11:27.11 | funkyhat | i'd rather stay on testing, but i'm getting url not found for the security repo |
| 11:27.14 | tbm_ | ty :] |
| 11:27.22 | tbm_ | :)!! it works |
| 11:27.26 | drac | funkyhat: There is no security on testing, so loose it. |
| 11:27.34 | funkyhat | ok |
| 11:27.40 | tbm_ | debian owns :] |
| 11:27.57 | tbm_ | especially with this manual package selection |
| 11:28.06 | tbm_ | apt-get ^_^ |
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| 11:28.22 | funkyhat | why is there no security on testing then? :S |
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| 11:29.00 | ctd | because it's testing. |
| 11:29.05 | caphuso | there never was |
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| 11:29.10 | xoz | funkyhat: it's not meant to be a productio machine |
| 11:29.23 | funkyhat | oh right |
| 11:29.29 | xoz | funkyhat: waste of resources |
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| 11:29.53 | xoz | wait unti somebody attacks your machine |
| 11:30.15 | funkyhat | they won't, i'm behind a NAT |
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| 11:30.25 | ethics | sigh |
| 11:30.31 | funkyhat | (ok, they PROBABLY won't ;)) |
| 11:30.42 | OldakQuill | Would any of you recomment an interface over GNOME? |
| 11:30.54 | nick01 | yeah- KDE |
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| 11:31.16 | funkyhat | i would recommend KDE unless you want your sound to work |
| 11:31.17 | pureone | !start a wm war |
| 11:31.17 | dpkg | GNOME blows! |
| 11:31.24 | ethics | OldakQuill, theres too many to choose a better than situation soe are kde and flux but most choose what suit them not |
| 11:31.35 | caphuso | funkyhat: KDE has nothing to do with getting sound working |
| 11:31.35 | tbm_ | anyone know the Xcursor.theme: whiteglass etc... |
| 11:31.41 | jetx | ok so what are these 3 find errors, which startup script was just updated in sid and borked? what calls find 3 times on startup? |
| 11:31.48 | ciaron | is there a good frontend gui for iptables? that'll let me easily block/unblock ports, set up forwards etc? |
| 11:31.51 | pureone | i love fluxbox with root-tail and gkrellm |
| 11:31.53 | Xuse | There is only two i like, gnome and xfce both rock. |
| 11:32.01 | tbm_ | pureone torsmo :o :] |
| 11:32.03 | jetx | starts right after 'cleaning /tmp' |
| 11:32.08 | rob^ | ciaron, firestarter? |
| 11:32.09 | OldakQuill | Ok, its for a desktop - basically want a simple, good-looking interface |
| 11:32.11 | funkyhat | caphuso, KDE steals the sound interface and doesn't let any non-KDE apps use it |
| 11:32.11 | ethics | ciaron, firestarter is prolly your easiest although theres many |
| 11:32.25 | Xuse | oldakquill xfce4 |
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| 11:32.29 | funkyhat | i know you can fix it, but it installs broken |
| 11:32.31 | ciaron | k cheers, i'll have a look |
| 11:32.32 | caphuso | funkyhat: wrong |
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| 11:32.39 | jetx | lokkit is easiest |
| 11:32.44 | nevyn | funkyhat: ummm that's incorrect |
| 11:32.49 | caphuso | arts is only very lightly coupled with kde |
| 11:33.05 | caphuso | there are tons of apps being able to use arts without being KDE apps |
| 11:33.19 | OldakQuill | Also, do many of you dual-boot for gaming or something? |
| 11:33.26 | nevyn | and it has a tweakable parameter for how long before freeing the dsp and arts supports multiopen |
| 11:33.27 | Xuse | I used to. |
| 11:33.33 | paivakil_ | why are permissions of /dev/null 'crw-rw---- 1 root root'? |
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| 11:34.00 | funkyhat | nevyn, i know about the tweakable paramater, but it would be nice if it didn't lock the dsp in the first place ;) |
| 11:34.10 | EcCD | Are there somehow i can get ls to show how many files there a in a dir? |
| 11:34.11 | xoz | paivakil_: what do you want? user:user? |
| 11:34.25 | xoz | EcCD: ls |wc |
| 11:34.44 | paivakil_ | no, it should be rw-rw-rw- ?? |
| 11:34.47 | liable | paivakil_: not here crw-rw-rw- |
| 11:34.48 | sussudio | oh, look, it's vaq|webtard, this time as EcCD |
| 11:34.54 | EcCD | xoz: then i get something like 32 32 354 - Cant i just get the amount of files |
| 11:35.02 | nevyn | funkyhat: esd does the same thing |
| 11:35.04 | ciaron | hmm, firststarter is gnome based, i'd rather have something that'd run under fluxbox without having to install all the gnome stuff |
| 11:35.07 | paivakil_ | yes, crw-rw-rw- |
| 11:35.13 | xoz | EcCD: 32 files i guess? |
| 11:35.25 | nevyn | funkyhat: until dmix the best solution was to use a sound daemon to mix stuff. |
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| 11:35.30 | nevyn | in some ways it's still better |
| 11:35.31 | sussudio | xoz: don't look at it, or it'll follow you home |
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| 11:35.44 | paivakil_ | there is a difference between crw-rw-rw- and crw-rw---- |
| 11:35.45 | EcCD | xoz: ye okay, thanks ;) |
| 11:35.51 | supaman | EcCD: read the man page for wc |
| 11:35.53 | GhettoFish | Hello, i'm in a bit of a jam :/ |
| 11:35.59 | jetx | why is apt-get update not updating but dselect update is |
| 11:36.00 | paivakil_ | I keep getting it that way. |
| 11:36.14 | GhettoFish | Just started out with Ubuntu Linux and have installed a couple of packages. |
| 11:36.24 | Phated | GhettoFish: #ubuntu? |
| 11:36.31 | Bazzi | GhettoFish -> #ubuntu before you get shot here. |
| 11:36.31 | sussudio | !ubuntusmite GhettoFish |
| 11:36.32 | ledet | GhettoFish: congratulations... go to #ubuntu |
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| 11:37.03 | jetx | hey fix that one to read carbon oxide on the second part |
| 11:37.08 | GhettoFish | yes my lords! |
| 11:37.10 | EcCD | supaman: there are no option for just showing the files amoun in a dir as i can see. Only options like -c (print bytes amount) -m (print the character counts) and so on |
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| 11:37.15 | jetx | make that it's carbon oxide |
| 11:37.26 | sussudio | monoxide |
| 11:37.28 | sussudio | meh. |
| 11:37.30 | Nigel | wtf... |
| 11:37.31 | xoz | jetx: read again |
| 11:37.36 | funkyhat | MONoxide |
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| 11:37.57 | Nigel | he calls us dorks for telling him to goto the right place? |
| 11:38.02 | jetx | yeah ok doh |
| 11:38.02 | supaman | EcCD: yes, but you can pipe it through awk or sed if you just want the number of files (if your making a bash script for example) |
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| 11:38.32 | supaman | EcCD: the man page was for you to understand what the output meant |
| 11:38.52 | jetx | some startup script is borked in sid and i don't really care |
| 11:39.00 | jetx | is that bad? |
| 11:39.12 | EcCD | supaman: hmm but with sed ill cout character from the begging of the line? |
| 11:39.53 | paivakil_ | anybody know why my /dev/null insists on having crw-rw---- perms?? |
| 11:40.02 | xoz | EcCD: ls | wc -l |
| 11:40.03 | supaman | EcCD: dont know much about sed, use awk more |
| 11:40.13 | paivakil_ | just upgraded to 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 11:40.20 | nevyn | paivakil_: it definitly should be crw-rw-rw- |
| 11:40.29 | EcCD | xoz: ohh man thanks alot :D |
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| 11:40.41 | nevyn | paivakil_: but as to why it's not.. *SHRUG* |
| 11:41.02 | paivakil_ | nevyn: someproblem with whatever is managing things inside /dev? |
| 11:41.05 | EcCD | xoz: i saw the option in the man but i didnt get the meaning with newlines counts. |
| 11:41.15 | nevyn | paivakil_: do you have udev? |
| 11:41.20 | paivakil_ | I have no idea where to start? |
| 11:41.21 | paivakil_ | yes |
| 11:41.22 | nevyn | paivakil_: ls -l /.dev/null |
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| 11:41.53 | kaouete | yo |
| 11:42.22 | paivakil_ | nevyn: no such directory |
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| 11:42.36 | xoz | EcCD: the wonders of command line and unix philosophy |
| 11:42.36 | nevyn | blah |
| 11:42.37 | paivakil_ | udev is 0.0.56-3 |
| 11:42.43 | nevyn | paivakil_: ummm |
| 11:42.53 | paivakil_ | what should I do? |
| 11:43.03 | nevyn | just fix the permissions? |
| 11:43.16 | paivakil_ | they get reset when I reboot |
| 11:43.19 | nevyn | you don't have devfsd installed do you? |
| 11:43.23 | paivakil_ | some daemons do not start |
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| 11:43.42 | paivakil_ | umm.. no |
| 11:43.49 | paivakil_ | will that fix it? |
| 11:43.50 | nevyn | just a thought... |
| 11:43.51 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 11:43.53 | nevyn | no |
| 11:44.02 | xinming | anyone here can tell me where to find the old version of debian iso? |
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| 11:44.15 | abrotman | which old iso ? |
| 11:44.15 | nevyn | xinming: which iso? |
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| 11:44.29 | rayen | hi, i have a problem with starting up MOHAA (FPS game) : "Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem" My NVIDIA drivers are installed, glxgears works fine...... so what could the problem be? |
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| 11:44.38 | adapter | how can i block the 135 port(some machines behind the NAT router use windows xp without the security patches or SP2); it seems the network is flooded by a type of worm or trojan and it scans the network for the 135 port. |
| 11:44.48 | xinming | nevyn: Just like the Debian version 2.2. |
| 11:44.52 | abrotman | rayen: see if #nvidia has an idea |
| 11:44.59 | paivakil_ | nevyn: I just upgraded from 2.4* to 2.6, and the problem is in transitional |
| 11:45.00 | abrotman | !archive |
| 11:45.00 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://archive.debian.org/, or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 11:45.20 | abrotman | xinming: why would you want potato ? |
| 11:46.08 | xinming | abrotman: for collection use. Debian is a really good. And every release is a classic releaes. so that's why |
| 11:46.28 | abrotman | xinming: erm .. ok |
| 11:47.03 | netman1 | What is the best way to trace a login process (local and remote) to find all called and sourced files? Ie. what is the best place for a 'set -x' or alternative? |
| 11:47.21 | abrotman | xinming: http://debian.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/images/potato/ |
| 11:47.37 | xinming | abrotman: thanks |
| 11:47.37 | abrotman | xinming: s/potato/slink/ .. if you need slink too |
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| 11:48.53 | netman1 | On sarge of course ;-) |
| 11:49.21 | m | I don't know anything about Java so I'm hoping someone can give me a recommendation of what free VM to use? |
| 11:49.26 | abrotman | m: mmmmm |
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| 11:49.31 | findme | m:sun |
| 11:49.32 | theboneman | ok |
| 11:49.35 | netman1 | m: sun |
| 11:49.36 | m | *sigh* |
| 11:49.42 | theboneman | back everythings working :) |
| 11:49.45 | abrotman | mmmmm: you're so nice :) |
| 11:49.53 | findme | mmmmm, apt-cache search java |
| 11:49.56 | theboneman | one more question, how would i install a .deb i just downloaded |
| 11:49.59 | mmmmm | okay free and open source |
| 11:50.01 | abrotman | mmmmm: most use sun .. i'm not sure IBM makes one anymore .. blackdown was just packaging sun's |
| 11:50.06 | mmmmm | yea I see a whole bunch, I don't know what to use! |
| 11:50.07 | findme | theboneman, dpkg -i xxx.deb |
| 11:50.07 | Ry12 | what do i set as root device if im installing debian from cd |
| 11:50.12 | adapter | how can i block the 135 port(some machines behind the NAT router use windows xp without the security patches or SP2); it seems the network is flooded by a type of worm or trojan and it scans the network for the 135 port. how can i do that with iptables? |
| 11:50.17 | findme | mmmmm, j2se |
| 11:50.17 | abrotman | mmmmm: only kaffe and gcj afaik .. neither are that good |
| 11:50.19 | chealer | xinming: about hald of the links from http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive are working |
| 11:50.25 | chealer | s/hald/half |
| 11:50.32 | abrotman | mmmmm: what are you triyng to do with the java ? |
| 11:50.43 | mmmmm | sable, kaffe |
| 11:50.48 | mmmmm | err kaffee might not be one, i dunno |
| 11:50.59 | mmmmm | java applications like jbother, and website applets |
| 11:51.02 | findme | mmmmm, sun-j2sdk1.5 |
| 11:51.11 | theboneman | anyone... how to install a .deb package? |
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| 11:51.20 | Xuse | lol.. |
| 11:51.24 | mmmmm | kaffee it is, can always change later right ? |
| 11:51.24 | drac | theboneman: dpkg -i |
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| 11:51.34 | chealer | dpkg: archive =~ s#http://archive.debian.org/#http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive# |
| 11:51.34 | theboneman | ohh |
| 11:51.34 | dpkg | chealer: OK |
| 11:51.35 | abrotman | mmmmm: kaffe works .. to an extent .. but i tried to use it for a JSP site .. and it died a horrible death |
| 11:51.36 | theboneman | i see |
| 11:51.37 | jfa | theboneman: dikg -i pakage.deb |
| 11:51.43 | theboneman | no.. its not from archive.. |
| 11:51.45 | theboneman | ty |
| 11:51.46 | chealer | findme: sdk? |
| 11:51.46 | findme | theboneman, dpkg -i |
| 11:51.50 | Xuse | theboneman seriously this is all stuff you could find out yourself either from the debian site or google. |
| 11:51.53 | findme | chealer, ? |
| 11:52.02 | abrotman | chealer: sure .. why not |
| 11:52.23 | dbeal | I can'ts tand FEdora |
| 11:52.31 | chealer | isn't that unnecessary for a Java VM? |
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| 11:53.11 | mmmmm | Yea I would get the JRE if I were to install Sun |
| 11:53.18 | mmmmm | won't be doing any programming |
| 11:53.23 | mmmmm | afaik |
| 11:53.39 | abrotman | mmmmm: but you want just a free JRE ? .. completely free ? |
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| 11:54.21 | abrotman | !kaffe |
| 11:54.21 | dpkg | somebody said kaffe was claimed to be a PersonalJava 1.1 compliant java environment. In fact, it is developed under a contract to Microsoft - http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,20225,00.html ,Ask me about 'kaffe flaw'. |
| 11:54.32 | mmmmm | preferably |
| 11:54.33 | abrotman | yeah .. java 1.1 .. no thanks :) |
| 11:54.52 | Xuse | Doesn't java suck anyway? =/ |
| 11:55.04 | abrotman | irreelvant |
| 11:55.12 | mmmmm | heh yea pff to that |
| 11:55.43 | abrotman | !info sable |
| 11:55.43 | colter | Should I be using syslog-ng instead of syslog? In other words, has syslog-ng outdated syslog or is is just "another package"? |
| 11:55.53 | mmmmm | I figured any Java applications packaged in Debian must have to conform to some java rules like being able to run on a certain VM standard |
| 11:56.04 | Xuse | I wouldn't use anything java at all, but azureus is pretty decent. |
| 11:56.04 | mmmmm | If that's true I guess IW as just looking for the debian standard vm |
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| 11:56.07 | abrotman | !info sablevm |
| 11:56.13 | dpkg | sablevm: (Free implementation of Java Virtual Machine (JVM) second edition), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.11.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 11:56.15 | abrotman | IW ? |
| 11:56.21 | Ry12 | when i boot from the debian install disc what does it set as the root device? |
| 11:56.49 | Master` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.55 | dpkg | sablevm: (Free implementation of Java Virtual Machine (JVM) second edition), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.11.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 11:56.55 | Master` | !info sablevm |
| 11:57.05 | Master` | !info sablev |
| 11:57.08 | Master` | !info sablevm |
| 11:57.13 | mmmmm | 40kB, i'm impressed |
| 11:57.14 | dpkg | sablevm: (Free implementation of Java Virtual Machine (JVM) second edition), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.11.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 11:57.15 | abrotman | we got it .. thanks |
| 11:57.22 | Xuse | uhm.. |
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| 11:57.36 | abrotman | !fr |
| 11:57.37 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 11:57.49 | Master` | de rien abrotman :) |
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| 11:58.08 | Master` | !fr |
| 11:58.08 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:58.14 | nevyn | !info free-java-sdk |
| 11:58.17 | dpkg | free-java-sdk: (Complete Java SDK environment consisting of free Java tools), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
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| 11:59.46 | bison | hi |
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| 12:01.48 | avalente | !info elinks |
| 12:01.50 | prog | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.51 | dpkg | elinks: (advanced text-mode WWW browser), section web, is optional. Version: 0.10.4-7 (sid), Packaged size: 1293 kB, Installed size: 3248 kB |
| 12:02.02 | avalente | !info elinks stable |
| 12:02.05 | dpkg | elinks: (advanced text-mode WWW browser), section web, is optional. Version: 0.10.4-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 1293 kB, Installed size: 3248 kB |
| 12:02.11 | abrotman | prog: better change that password |
| 12:02.28 | prog | abrotman: uff, iam idiot :-) |
| 12:02.32 | avalente | lol |
| 12:02.36 | abrotman | prog: we noticed :) |
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| 12:03.09 | Virtual | can anybody point me to a good guide in installing a new kernel? |
| 12:03.19 | xoz | debian.org |
| 12:03.30 | nevyn | Virtual: apt-get install kernel-image-someversion-somesubarch |
| 12:03.43 | abrotman | Virtual: on sarge? |
| 12:03.57 | netman1 | Virtual : /usr/share/doc/kernel* |
| 12:03.57 | abrotman | Virtual: which CPU? |
| 12:04.01 | EmleyMoor | Virtual: Ready-packaged or roll-your-own? |
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| 12:04.04 | abrotman | Virtual: and which kernel version ? |
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| 12:05.07 | Karat3 | hi |
| 12:05.15 | Karat3 | what is the channel of openoffice? |
| 12:05.15 | Virtual | abrotman: Intel Pentium 1.6Ghrtz |
| 12:05.16 | Phated | Gosh, we're helpful! The chances of that were even more astronomical than sarge releasing! |
| 12:05.46 | Virtual | abrotman: well I would like to install 2.6.11.7, that is the last right? |
| 12:06.02 | EmleyMoor | 2.6.11.11 |
| 12:06.03 | Karat3 | WHAT IS THE CHANNEL OF OPENOFFICE? |
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| 12:06.19 | amphi | Karat3: #plan9 |
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| 12:06.27 | Morti | Please don't shout, Karat3. |
| 12:06.40 | Virtual | Karat3: loose the caps |
| 12:06.46 | tarzeau | Karat3: WE DON'T KNOW. |
| 12:06.49 | resiak | Virtual: "lose". |
| 12:06.54 | prog | virtual, apt-get kernel-image-2.6.11 | sort |
| 12:07.07 | resiak | prog: That's never going to work. |
| 12:07.10 | prog | virtual, apt-get search kernel-image-2.6.11 | sort |
| 12:07.15 | Virtual | prog and I have to get the kernel hearders again as well ? |
| 12:07.17 | Morti | prog: apt-cache search |
| 12:07.30 | garo | Why does sarge install locate instead of slocate ? (can i remove locate and replace it with slocate or will i run into problems ?) |
| 12:07.34 | abrotman | !tell Virtual about kp |
| 12:07.35 | adapter | how can i block the 135 for the machines behind the NAT router? |
| 12:07.40 | prog | uff, im perplexed today, ok, you are ALL right :-) |
| 12:07.43 | abrotman | #debian-oo |
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| 12:08.00 | adapter | 135 port that is |
| 12:08.01 | netman1 | adapter: install a firewall on your router |
| 12:08.21 | adapter | netman1: the router is the linux server |
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| 12:08.34 | netman1 | adapter: then use iptables |
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| 12:08.47 | mmmmm | isn't 135 dns? |
| 12:08.55 | paulswm | !irritate Phated |
| 12:08.55 | dpkg | Phated: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
| 12:08.57 | adapter | how i use iptables in order to block the conections through the 135 port |
| 12:08.57 | netman1 | adapter: apt-get install firestarter will help get you started |
| 12:09.10 | Phated | !slap paulswm |
| 12:09.11 | mmmmm | oh epmap, whatever that is |
| 12:09.19 | paulswm | :P |
| 12:09.21 | resiak | !fruitsmite Phated |
| 12:09.28 | Phated | !phatedsmite paulswm |
| 12:09.33 | paulswm | !singlishsmite resiak |
| 12:09.34 | dpkg | resiak: Ah, shaddup lah. You all fart and no shit only. |
| 12:09.35 | adapter | netman1: please tell me the command, i'm quite in a rush right now |
| 12:09.39 | netman1 | adapter: iptables == lowlevel, firestarter ==more userfriendly, nice interface etc. |
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| 12:09.41 | abrotman | !g4ltsmite Phated |
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| 12:09.45 | isbarak | i need help with sarge 3.1r0a. can't use make |
| 12:09.45 | tarzeau | !rush |
| 12:09.45 | dpkg | RUSH: they call 'em a POWER trio for a REASON. see 2112. |
| 12:09.59 | netman1 | adapter : apt-get install firestarter ; firestarter |
| 12:10.00 | Phated | !spank abrotman |
| 12:10.05 | paulswm | !gothsmite Phated |
| 12:10.08 | tarzeau | !abuse |
| 12:10.08 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 12:10.11 | mmmmm | oh that reminds me I was going to try that gnome firewall thingy |
| 12:10.12 | Phated | !geezersmite paulswm |
| 12:10.13 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 12:10.13 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:10.18 | mmmmm | lokkit |
| 12:10.24 | xoz | offtopic again |
| 12:10.24 | Whisky_ | Im having problems with PERl. I used apt-get to re-install it after removing it with apt-get remove |
| 12:10.36 | resiak | Whisky_: Define "problems". |
| 12:10.38 | garo | Why does sarge install locate instead of slocate ? (can i remove locate and replace it with slocate or will i run into problems ?) |
| 12:10.40 | paulswm | Well that was fun |
| 12:10.50 | ordi666 | I'd like to have some help about installing a webcam (logitech) I had it working on my mandrake but I don't know how to make it work now under debian ... please;) |
| 12:10.51 | xoz | garo: apt-get install slocate |
| 12:10.52 | Whisky_ | resiak: Wait up |
| 12:10.53 | Phated | It was. Hello, paulswm. *hughug* |
| 12:11.11 | mmmmm | ordi666, what kind of webcam? what shows up in lsusb |
| 12:11.11 | paster | "Whisky_" at 203.128.5.6 pasted "PERL problems" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/210 |
| 12:11.15 | caphuso | garo: because slocate ist just another package bloating the base install and yes, you can |
| 12:11.18 | paulswm | Phated: :P *hug* |
| 12:11.19 | garo | xoz: I know how to do it, but will i run into problems after removing locate ? |
| 12:11.34 | Phated | paulswm: ) |
| 12:11.37 | garo | caphuso: k, thanks |
| 12:11.51 | caphuso | garo: and how exactly would you try to remove locate? |
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| 12:11.55 | Whisky_ | resiak: [17:12] <paster> "Whisky_" at 203.128.5.6 pasted "PERL problems" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/210 |
| 12:11.55 | ordi666 | my webcam is un USB one, with mic inside (but I don't use it) |
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| 12:12.06 | caphuso | remove the findutils package? |
| 12:12.06 | isbarak | #flood |
| 12:12.12 | ordi666 | Bus 002 Device 012: ID 046d:0850 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Web |
| 12:12.13 | garo | caphuso: apt-get remove ? |
| 12:12.15 | resiak | Whisky_: Yes, I can read. I haven't a clue what you've done. |
| 12:12.17 | xoz | garo: there is only one way to find out |
| 12:12.20 | rich0rd | hmn, bloating the install - is there a way to select either gnome or kde and not booth of them at the "desktop system" option in the installer? |
| 12:12.27 | Whisky_ | resiak: Thats whn I try to access Webmin |
| 12:12.35 | caphuso | garo: and make your system unbootable? sounds like a reasonable plan |
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| 12:12.49 | resiak | Whisky_: perl -le 'use Sys::Hostname; print "Whee!"' ? |
| 12:12.49 | Whisky_ | when* |
| 12:12.51 | mmmmm | ordi666, do you see quickcam entries in syslog when you plug it in? |
| 12:13.06 | xoz | !conflicts slocate |
| 12:13.10 | netman1 | rich0rd: dont install desktop, finish install then install gnome manually |
| 12:13.12 | dpkg | slocate: dlocate (<< 0.5-0.1) |
| 12:13.13 | Whisky_ | channelbss:~# perl -le 'use Sys::Hostname; print "Whee!"' ? |
| 12:13.13 | Whisky_ | Whee! |
| 12:13.15 | web25 | hi |
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| 12:13.25 | resiak | Whisky_: Okay, so Webmin is doing stupid things to @INC |
| 12:13.34 | mmmmm | unlug it, plug it back in, and tail tail /var/log/syslog, if you see entries like USB camera found, it shold be working |
| 12:13.54 | Whisky_ | resiak: Whats @INC anyway? |
| 12:13.57 | adapter | netman1: when i try to run as root i get: (firestarter:22137): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 12:13.58 | adapter | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.00 | zap_ | cups supports TLS encryption (Encryption Required). Does samba support it too? currently i'm getting the following error: |
| 12:14.00 | zap_ | EncryptClient: Could not negotiate a supported cipher suite. |
| 12:14.00 | zap_ | EncryptClient: Unable to encrypt connection from localhost! |
| 12:14.00 | zap_ | After setting "Encryption IfRequired" in cups, everything works fine |
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| 12:14.13 | web25 | hi there i have read that there was a small bug in sarge cd's. if i download now the sarge cd's with bittorrent, will i have the updated cd's or the old cd's with the bug ? |
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| 12:14.25 | netman1 | adapter : missing DISPLAY env. var. Use sudo instead of su - |
| 12:14.27 | resiak | Whisky_: It's the list of directories in which Perl searches for modules the script uses. |
| 12:14.28 | prog | i have a problem with UDEV. Rxvt, Xterm and other terminals use /dev/pts/0..n block devices. When I start udev, the directory /dev/pts doesn`t exist and I have to mount devpts by hand - even if I have it in /etc/fstab, cause udevd is started after mounting fstab records. Can anyone help to find me solution with udev ? |
| 12:14.31 | ordi666 | mmmmm, I don't know how to see syslog :S noobs rulez |
| 12:14.33 | rich0rd | netman1: i installed kde, manually and it seems that the dependecies do not include an xserver- at least i can't start one |
| 12:14.40 | zap_ | sorry for flooding, thought these few lines were ok |
| 12:14.47 | streuner_ | prog: apt-get remove udev, problem solved. |
| 12:14.49 | Whisky_ | resiak: I see. Whats my solution ? |
| 12:14.52 | abrotman | web25: look at your sources file .. is testing mentioned ? |
| 12:15.01 | mmmmm | ordi666, unlug the device, plug it back in, then as the root user type tail /var/log/syslog |
| 12:15.02 | resiak | Whisky_: Ask the Webmin people. Your Perl is fine. |
| 12:15.04 | zap_ | cups supports TLS encryption (Encryption Required). Does samba support it too? currently i'm getting the following error: |
| 12:15.12 | xoz | prog: /etc/udev/compat.rules ... enable tty |
| 12:15.12 | zap_ | EncryptClient: Could not negotiate a supported cipher suite. |
| 12:15.14 | Whisky_ | resiak: I guess so |
| 12:15.18 | mmmmm | and summarize anything you see about quickcam's |
| 12:15.19 | Whisky_ | resiak: Thanks :) |
| 12:15.20 | zap_ | EncryptClient: Unable to encrypt connection from localhost! |
| 12:15.20 | prog | streuner_: yes, i agree, but udev is said to be the good solution |
| 12:15.21 | resiak | Whisky_: Why are you using Webmin anyway? |
| 12:15.22 | paulswm | zap_: that is still flooding |
| 12:15.28 | web25 | nope it's stable but i do not know if the bittorrent files on the debian.org site point to corrected or cd's images with the bug |
| 12:15.30 | netman1 | roch0rd: I think your only option is to install the dependencies manually :-( |
| 12:15.30 | streuner_ | prog: its crap. |
| 12:15.34 | Whisky_ | resiak: To manage my server :/ |
| 12:15.39 | zap_ | paulswm: i'm trying to keep it short |
| 12:15.40 | resiak | Whisky_: Why, man, why? |
| 12:15.44 | abrotman | web25: the only differece was /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:15.46 | resiak | Whisky_: s/man/person/ |
| 12:15.46 | prog | xoz, ok, i will try and thant will report |
| 12:15.54 | web25 | yes i know |
| 12:15.58 | Whisky_ | resiak: Its easy to monitor....any other CP that would do? :\ |
| 12:16.02 | zap_ | so basically my question is: how can i make samba talk to cups via TLS? |
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| 12:16.05 | abrotman | web25: so .. you have the correct sources line ? |
| 12:16.06 | mmmmm | weasel, if it says rc1 then its the new ones I think |
| 12:16.06 | web25 | so it's the cd's with the "bug" |
| 12:16.09 | paulswm | !tell zap_ about paste |
| 12:16.10 | resiak | Whisky_: What's wrong with bash and vi? :) |
| 12:16.14 | rich0rd | netman1: which packages are needed for xfree86? xfree86-base? |
| 12:16.16 | mmmmm | rc0 it's the old ones. hardly worth redownlaoding if you have the rc0 |
| 12:16.25 | Whisky_ | resiak: lol too tough for a newbie like me :S |
| 12:16.26 | abrotman | web25: does the sources file mention testing ? |
| 12:16.27 | prog | streuner_, its possible...but devfs is called deprecated, udev is known as more modern |
| 12:16.30 | netman1 | adapter: or login as root graphically from your console |
| 12:16.31 | mmmmm | if you use jigdo it probably update in -1.5 seconds |
| 12:16.34 | abrotman | web25: if it only says stable .. then you got the right one |
| 12:16.41 | ordi666 | mmmmm, see on #flood Ok ? |
| 12:16.43 | resiak | Whisky_: What are you running on your server? |
| 12:16.46 | zap_ | paulswm: thx. i won't do that again |
| 12:16.49 | web25 | the right one = the one without the bug ? |
| 12:16.51 | mmmmm | sure |
| 12:16.55 | netman1 | rich0rd: xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:17.00 | streuner_ | prog: udev causes headaches ;-) |
| 12:17.00 | netman1 | rich0rd: xfs is als missing then, IIRC |
| 12:17.01 | web25 | i haven t downloaded the cd's yet |
| 12:17.05 | Whisky_ | resiak: Apache/MySQL to host my site + IRC usage |
| 12:17.16 | abrotman | web25: grep testing /etc/apt/sources.list .. does anything come out .. if so .. it's the wrong one |
| 12:17.17 | streuner_ | prog: get rid of it and your headaches are gone. |
| 12:17.18 | resiak | Whisky_: What exactly do you need to monitor? |
| 12:17.19 | prog | streuner_, its true :-) |
| 12:17.33 | abrotman | web25: oh .. you haven't gotten the BY download yet ? |
| 12:17.33 | Phated | rich0rd: x-window-system would be better. |
| 12:17.40 | rich0rd | thx |
| 12:17.43 | resiak | Whisky_: Seriously, neither are particularly hard to use without Webmin or similar. Webmin is known to be a pile of shit :) |
| 12:17.46 | prog | streuner_, what are you using - devfs or classical mknoded /dev ? |
| 12:17.48 | web25 | exactly, i haven t downloaded yet |
| 12:17.51 | Whisky_ | resiak: Apache etc. |
| 12:17.52 | Whisky_ | lol :P~ |
| 12:17.54 | netman1 | rich0rd: You'r welcome |
| 12:18.00 | abrotman | web25: what's the torrent file name ? |
| 12:18.01 | web25 | i prefer to download the corrected cd's |
| 12:18.10 | web25 | it s the one mentionned on www.Debian.org |
| 12:18.11 | streuner_ | prog: classic MAKEDEV |
| 12:18.12 | resiak | Whisky_: Whatever. Your call. |
| 12:18.17 | mmmmm | ordi666, type tail -n 100 | grep -i cam |
| 12:18.21 | abrotman | web25: i don't know which that is .. what's the file name :) |
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| 12:18.22 | mmmmm | maybe get some more relevent information |
| 12:18.24 | Whisky_ | screw. I just removed webmin and I can still access the webmin page on my server :\ |
| 12:18.26 | paulswm | webmin sucks IMO |
| 12:18.34 | zap_ | is it possible to make samba talk to cups via TLS? setting "Encryption IfRequested" in cupsd.conf works but "Encryption Required" does not. |
| 12:18.38 | mmmmm | it looks like it's loading your microphone which is good. you sure it doesn't work? maybe you just need a nice peace of webcam software |
| 12:18.47 | web25 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent |
| 12:18.50 | Whisky_ | paulswm: i would Agree if u could provide me with a better solution rather than CLI :P~ |
| 12:18.54 | abrotman | web25: that's the good one |
| 12:18.56 | ordi666 | mmmmm, no answer (the program does freeze) |
| 12:18.59 | abrotman | the correct one |
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| 12:19.05 | web25 | fine it's already corrected then ! |
| 12:19.20 | web25 | "roa" ? |
| 12:19.20 | paulswm | Whisky_: there is no better solution that command line interface. :) |
| 12:19.27 | paulswm | s.that/than/ |
| 12:19.34 | Whisky_ | :P~ |
| 12:19.36 | mmmmm | ordi666, hmm... that's odd then. guess it doesn't see it :) have you recompiled your kernel? |
| 12:19.38 | Phated | s/./\// |
| 12:19.40 | Phated | ;) |
| 12:19.45 | abrotman | web25: r0a .. not roa |
| 12:19.56 | abrotman | web25: Release 0(zero) revision A |
| 12:19.58 | mmmmm | not sure if Debian has the quickcam drivers in by default, probably do... which means maybe your quickcam is a different versino then is supported |
| 12:20.00 | Whisky_ | Is there any test to find out if Perl is actually working fine on my server? |
| 12:20.03 | web25 | i just wonder if i ll wait another week or download it right now. maybe they will find another bug |
| 12:20.03 | Gnea | bob2: http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 12:20.10 | mmmmm | ah i'll look up that device see if it is one sec |
| 12:20.11 | paulswm | !be cli barbie |
| 12:20.11 | dpkg | Tpying is HARD! |
| 12:20.11 | resiak | Whisky_: We just did. |
| 12:20.24 | Whisky_ | resiak: Yeah but any webpage etc.? :s |
| 12:20.28 | resiak | Whisky_: The module that Webmin is borking on is there. So it's Webmin's fault. |
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| 12:20.44 | pippijn | hi all |
| 12:20.47 | abrotman | web25: no .. this was a bug in a file created by the CD .. not a security issue |
| 12:20.50 | pippijn | /usr/sbin/ircd: error: unable to find "/usr/sbin/iauth". |
| 12:20.51 | ethics | i seem to have lost my ide cdrom devices in /dev...it looks loaded via lsmod but nothing i dmesg....any clues...modprobing doesnt sseem to fix |
| 12:20.55 | pippijn | where do I get iauth? |
| 12:21.06 | resiak | abrotman: It's a security issue becuase it meant no security updates ;-) |
| 12:21.13 | abrotman | resiak: well . yes |
| 12:21.15 | web25 | :) |
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| 12:21.18 | Whisky_ | resiak: I know what the problem is. It's the Webmin skin that I have been using |
| 12:21.21 | abrotman | resiak: but not in a package itself |
| 12:21.23 | ordi666 | mmmmm, yes I've a 2.6.8 home compiled from debian's sources |
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| 12:21.31 | abrotman | silly ISO builders didn't test them :) |
| 12:21.31 | netman1 | pippijn: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
| 12:21.39 | Gnea | abrotman: do you use UML at all? |
| 12:21.46 | abrotman | Gnea: yep .. why ? |
| 12:21.50 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
| 12:21.52 | resiak | Whisky_: So don't use that skin? |
| 12:21.54 | ethics | i seem to have lost my ide cdrom devices in /dev...it looks loaded via lsmod but nothing i dmesg....any clues...modprobing doesnt sseem to fix |
| 12:21.55 | Gnea | abrotman: http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt :) |
| 12:21.56 | abrotman | no contacts .. thougt it said IM :) |
| 12:21.58 | resiak | Whisky_: Anyway, i'm gone. |
| 12:22.04 | mmmmm | ordi666, http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ thats what your looking for |
| 12:22.09 | Whisky_ | k thanks |
| 12:22.11 | rich0rd | will the x-window-system be configured to start automatically - or will i have to edit the startup scripts to start kdm automatically? |
| 12:22.26 | mmmmm | matches your 46d:850 id that you gave me from lsusb |
| 12:22.29 | netman1 | rich0rd: normally start automatically |
| 12:22.36 | ordi666 | mmmmm, that's what I was afraid of, I'll need to recompile my kernel once again :D thanx anyway ;) |
| 12:22.37 | pippijn | :) |
| 12:22.37 | abrotman | Gnea: i should really put my eyes in before IRCing |
| 12:22.37 | Phated | rich0rd: kdm starts automatically. No matter what. |
| 12:22.39 | pippijn | thx |
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| 12:22.40 | paulswm | rich0rd: If you installed suing apt, it should start automatically |
| 12:22.41 | mmmmm | hopefully not too over your head, compile that module and your set |
| 12:22.45 | Gnea | abrotman: lol |
| 12:22.52 | mmmmm | ordi666, don't get too drastic should be able to do it without recompiling |
| 12:23.08 | web25 | so now we have to use aptitude.. |
| 12:23.17 | zap_ | is it possible to make samba talk to cups via TLS? setting "Encryption IfRequested" in cupsd.conf works but "Encryption Required" does not. |
| 12:23.26 | mmmmm | ordi666, just type make all and hope for the best |
| 12:23.28 | abrotman | web25: you don't *have* to |
| 12:23.33 | Gnea | yeah, till someone generates a sarge-based UML fs, that'll work for upgrading from woody |
| 12:23.42 | web25 | okay |
| 12:23.59 | ordi666 | mmmmm, let's try I'll tell you if I manage to, or not ;) |
| 12:24.14 | abrotman | Gnea: so .. erm .. what do you do with UML that you can't do with another machine(or xen) |
| 12:24.19 | Phated | xen! |
| 12:24.31 | web25 | anyway this is a good thing it will make some ad for debian on many websites |
| 12:24.42 | Gnea | abrotman: have you heard of the LVS? |
| 12:24.53 | abrotman | lovers perfer verginia ? |
| 12:24.55 | mmmmm | *sigh* no open implementations of java support web applets |
| 12:24.56 | abrotman | nope .. |
| 12:24.59 | Gnea | hahaha |
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| 12:25.04 | Gnea | Linux Virtual Server |
| 12:25.07 | abrotman | mmmmm: not even sable ? |
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| 12:25.16 | abrotman | Gnea: oh .. like zseries |
| 12:25.17 | Gnea | !lvs |
| 12:25.17 | dpkg | lvs is probably Linux Virtual Server is a highly scalable and highly available server built on a cluster of real servers |
| 12:25.35 | mmmmm | abrotman, not yet. on the to-do list |
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| 12:25.44 | abrotman | mmmmm: java-package works ... :) |
| 12:25.53 | Whisky_ | how do i delete all files from a directory that have the name 'webmin' in start ? |
| 12:25.53 | abrotman | Gnea: not like zeries ? |
| 12:25.57 | abrotman | zseries |
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| 12:26.08 | MrDuck | hi |
| 12:26.09 | web25 | thanks and bye |
| 12:26.10 | mmmmm | very nicely too I must say, I've used that a number of times. |
| 12:26.17 | Phated | Whisky_: rm webmin*? |
| 12:26.17 | mmmmm | big thanks to whoever thought that up |
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| 12:26.56 | Whisky_ | thanx |
| 12:26.59 | garo | How should i update the db for dlocate ? |
| 12:27.09 | abrotman | updatedb |
| 12:27.11 | abrotman | i think |
| 12:27.20 | zap_ | is it possible to make samba talk to cups via TLS? setting "Encryption IfRequested" in cupsd.conf works but "Encryption Required" does not. |
| 12:27.24 | Phated | Maybe there's a dupdatedb! ;) |
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| 12:28.05 | tarzeau | bob2: are you dd now? |
| 12:28.25 | netman1 | What is the best way to trace a login process (local and remote) to find all called and sourced files? Ie. what is the best place for a 'set -x' or alternative? On sarge, of course ;-) |
| 12:28.26 | ordi666 | mmmmm, I've a problem on installing the module |
| 12:28.33 | ordi666 | mmmmm, see on flood ;) |
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| 12:30.19 | ordi666 | mmmmm, ok I think it does work well now ;) |
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| 12:30.27 | mmmmm | heh lol |
| 12:30.28 | mmmmm | you sure? |
| 12:30.33 | XTF | Hi. Is scp deprecated in favour of sftp? |
| 12:30.47 | mmmmm | I hope not, I married scp and plan to never leave her |
| 12:30.48 | MrDuck | i cannot connect to my smtp.. think auth is impossible, where do i configure the users and enable the accounts, ideas plz |
| 12:30.55 | netman1 | XTF: other way around I would guess ;-) |
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| 12:31.24 | XTF | sftp is deprecated? |
| 12:31.45 | netman1 | XTF: ;-) neither is about to leave us, I hope. |
| 12:32.05 | ordi666 | mmmmm, at least I have a /dev/video0 |
| 12:32.13 | theboneman | um.. how do i get out of X completely? |
| 12:32.14 | dae | MrDuck, what are trying to connect from ? sendmail ? exim ? thunderbird ? etc ? |
| 12:32.22 | MrDuck | exim |
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| 12:32.28 | XTF | Furthermore, sftp is really what you want these days - scp is not |
| 12:32.28 | XTF | having features added by upstream any more. |
| 12:32.34 | caphuso | XTF: different tools for different purposes. neither can really replace the other |
| 12:32.35 | mmmmm | ordi666, I doubt it's working. You are running a stock kernel right? Not something you edited and compiled yourself? |
| 12:32.36 | MrDuck | i'm trying to connect with my outlook express through the LAN |
| 12:32.37 | netman1 | theboneman: /etc/init.d/kdm stop or gdm stop |
| 12:32.52 | mmmmm | ordi666, or something the other way around I mean |
| 12:32.52 | theboneman | i tried em i dont use gdm or kdm |
| 12:32.56 | XTF | caphuso: I agree (having looked at the sftp syntax) |
| 12:32.57 | mmmmm | wow dislexic |
| 12:33.16 | theboneman | netman1 i installed debian with nothing on it :] i tried same thing with xdm... nothing |
| 12:33.29 | ordi666 | mmmmm, I checked every options of my kernel when I compiled it, or at least I tried to |
| 12:33.30 | mmmmm | ordi666, my best bet is /lib/modules/kernel version/build doesn't point to your libraries |
| 12:33.34 | drc_ | How can I handle gamma/brightness settings in X? Also it would be helpful to set hotkeys for them, because my monitor is kinda dark. |
| 12:33.39 | rich0rd | netman1: whee xserver running, whee kde running |
| 12:33.50 | ordi666 | mmmmm, how can I be sure of that ? |
| 12:33.51 | dae | MrDuck, ummm, who is trying to authenticate to who ? |
| 12:33.54 | netman1 | rich0rd: cool ;-) |
| 12:33.55 | mmmmm | ordi666, you would have been better off using debian's kernel I think then, easier to manage and I think they do the same thing |
| 12:34.15 | mmmmm | no reason to change though, just saying |
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| 12:34.27 | mmmmm | type this: ls -ld /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| 12:34.35 | netman1 | theboneman: you'll have to do it as root,of course? |
| 12:34.51 | ordi666 | mmmmm, I had several problem when I was using pre-compiled debian's kernel |
| 12:34.55 | ordi666 | (Laptop) |
| 12:34.57 | cahoot | drc: look at xgamma |
| 12:34.58 | theboneman | netman1 rofl :D |
| 12:35.06 | theboneman | netman1 i am root... |
| 12:35.11 | MrDuck | i'm just trying to send mails with an user account; from outlook trough my SMTP to somewhere in the world |
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| 12:35.22 | theboneman | wtf |
| 12:35.23 | othernoob | which program do i need to extract files from an .ace archive ? unace doesn't want to extract them |
| 12:35.28 | MrDuck | so my windoz PC connecting to the debian |
| 12:35.40 | Xuse | .ace suck! |
| 12:36.15 | MrDuck | i defined in the settings my account |
| 12:36.16 | ordi666 | mmmmm, how can I check that my webcam is runing ok ? (at least now the light is on, and I have a /dev/video0 device) |
| 12:36.16 | mmmmm | I had several problems when my PC decided to suspend when I was shuffling bits on my hard drive, heh so lame |
| 12:36.25 | mmmmm | it was so corrupted fsck crashed when I ran it |
| 12:36.26 | mmmmm | hehe |
| 12:36.27 | MrDuck | but even trying with telnet in command promt my login is refused |
| 12:36.39 | netman1 | mmmmm: rofl |
| 12:36.41 | pureone | mrduck check what address its listerning to |
| 12:36.45 | theboneman | netman1 no luck |
| 12:36.50 | dae | MrDuck, so you want exim to receive the mail from Outlook with authentication on your home LAN ? And then have exim deliver it to your ISP ? |
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| 12:36.59 | MrDuck | i let blank it said that would mean listening to any add |
| 12:37.04 | mmmmm | ordi666, not too sure, that driver site might give some suggetsions and you might try xawtv |
| 12:37.15 | pureone | check with netstat -tupln |
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| 12:38.02 | theboneman | .. |
| 12:38.07 | netman1 | theboneman: start over: shutdown and reboot, before logging in switch with ctrl-alt-f1 back to console, login, check last few started processes. |
| 12:38.29 | MrDuck | dae, no i want exim send it into the world :P |
| 12:38.35 | othernoob | Xuse: whether they suck or not doesn't matter |
| 12:38.57 | dae | MrDuck, do you have a static IP address on the machine where exim is running ? |
| 12:39.04 | MrDuck | yes |
| 12:39.29 | theboneman | netman1 .. ok ? |
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| 12:39.57 | CaT[tm] | bah. sarge is so bloody boring now. |
| 12:40.19 | Gnea | CaT[tm]: http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt it is? :) |
| 12:40.32 | netman1 | Cat: go back living on the e(t/d)ge ;-) |
| 12:40.34 | mmmmm | CaT[tm], I hate stuff that works too |
| 12:40.45 | MrDuck | dae, but if in telnet i do: open smtp.mydomaine.fr 25 it asks for a login but would let me in |
| 12:40.58 | CaT[tm] | mmmm: bloody annoying isn't it? nothing to fix. no heart racing on the dist-upgrade. nada. |
| 12:41.17 | CaT[tm] | gnea: cunning :) |
| 12:41.22 | dae | MrDuck, ok you might be able to have the receiver accept you mails then. I have a similar setup but I'm using sendmail instead of exim, I've only configured exim to authenticate itself to other MTA's so I don't know how to setup it up for incoming MTA's. |
| 12:41.22 | Gnea | ;) |
| 12:41.30 | mmmmm | actually... since I've installed Sarge I've had anything but an easy time |
| 12:41.35 | mmmmm | so i'm liking it |
| 12:41.48 | mmmmm | for some reason the alsa sound driver that I've ENVER had a problem stopped working |
| 12:41.55 | CaT[tm] | mmmmm: I've been running it since the first 'We've got it! release time in a month!' :) |
| 12:42.04 | rich0rd | is there a way to get rid of some no needed packages - like xeyes? |
| 12:42.14 | mmmmm | this was after I fixed the usb floppy drive problem that i've never even herd of before |
| 12:42.15 | MrDuck | dae, ok thy anyways |
| 12:42.19 | MrDuck | thx* |
| 12:42.25 | othernoob | so, does anyone know a program to extract ace archives ? |
| 12:42.37 | rich0rd | othernoob: unace? |
| 12:42.38 | glick | CaT[tm], if you think upgradeing your linux distro is exciting, you should really try a girl! |
| 12:42.42 | CaT[tm] | rich0rd: apt-get remove xeyes or apt-get --pruge remove xeyes |
| 12:42.46 | Radiance | any one experienced the following behaviour and might found a solution: laptop, Dell type, kernel 2.6.x, nvidia gfx card, switching from gui with ctr-alt-f1.. causes a black screen and keys do not respond anymore ? |
| 12:42.47 | mmmmm | hehe |
| 12:42.49 | othernoob | rich0rd tried unace, doesn't want to extract them |
| 12:43.01 | CaT[tm] | glick: no thanks. the sex would really do my geeky heart in ;) |
| 12:43.08 | dae | MrDuck, wait a minute. If you telnet to port 25 it asks for a login ? You don't get a "220 laptop.nilsson-home.net ESMTP Exim 4.50 " kind of message first ? |
| 12:43.11 | mmmmm | Radiance, what's cntrl-alt-f1 do? |
| 12:43.21 | glick | oh brother |
| 12:43.24 | CaT[tm] | mmmm: brings you to console. |
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| 12:43.36 | Radiance | mmmmmm, switches to console mode |
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| 12:44.02 | mmmmm | oh nice, never knew that. if I get pissed enough to go to console I usually start pounding on cntrl-alt-backspace |
| 12:44.16 | CaT[tm] | mmmm: that's a bit excessive :) |
| 12:44.17 | Radiance | btw, this happens also going from gui to console |
| 12:44.32 | rich0rd | xeyes is included in xbase-clients? |
| 12:44.37 | mmmmm | I hate the nvidia graphic drivers so much, it's probably locking up |
| 12:44.42 | mmmmm | happens to me all the time |
| 12:44.52 | rich0rd | and i want to get rid of xeyes, but there is no package for xeyes |
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| 12:45.05 | CaT[tm] | rich: that short of disk space? |
| 12:45.07 | Radiance | well i use the same nvidia driver on a 2.4 box with no problems, so i suspect it has to do with the 2.6 kernel |
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| 12:45.12 | mmmmm | i usually judge it by numlock, if I hit numlock and it does weird things like change colors I assume it's crashed |
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| 12:45.40 | mmmmm | ah could be that too. can you ever get to the console from gui? |
| 12:45.52 | mmmmm | maybe you could try typing init 1 from a terminal |
| 12:45.58 | Rockret | does anyone knows if exist driver to this modem: 0000:00:10.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics V.92 56K WinModem (rev 02) |
| 12:46.04 | mmmmm | should dump you to a console at least |
| 12:46.13 | dopey | chvt 1 |
| 12:46.30 | Rockret | I want use this board more to receive fax |
| 12:46.43 | abrotman | !winmodem |
| 12:46.43 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark |
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| 12:46.48 | netman1 | Rockret: search for "linmodem" |
| 12:46.53 | Rockret | ok, thanks |
| 12:46.55 | MrDuck | dae, not bad.. i probably don't get to the smtp but am intercepted by inetd which starts a telnet |
| 12:47.17 | MrDuck | dae, sry |
| 12:47.20 | abrotman | Rockret: really though . better to get an external modem if you've got the money |
| 12:47.27 | MrDuck | dae, i get the ESMPT message |
| 12:47.36 | Rockret | ok, thanks |
| 12:47.40 | tarzeau | !cow is also http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html |
| 12:47.40 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 12:47.47 | tarzeau | do you guys need a translation for these two COWS? |
| 12:48.29 | tarzeau | "The burning fire circle wasn't in the escape plan. But i found it spectacular." |
| 12:48.30 | mmmmm | I'm going to try voip fax :) uncompressed of course. |
| 12:48.37 | mmmmm | i'm not expecting much |
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| 12:49.19 | dae | MrDuck, /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.SMTP-AUTH has some info for you |
| 12:49.51 | drc_ | Can anyone tell me how can I take a screenshot? :P I forgot it and google doesn't give answers |
| 12:50.06 | caphuso | drc_: /msg dpkg sshot |
| 12:50.09 | mmmmm | lol! I forgot to mount my /tmp directory (hmm... :-P ) and did it after I started X. yea well once you do that new programs can't connect to the display. soooo annoying. |
| 12:50.13 | drc_ | caphuso: thanks |
| 12:50.25 | MrDuck | dae, ;-) well forgot this one |
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| 12:50.26 | Rockret | other question, can i have one capture board bt848 (pci) and webcam creative go plus, working together in linux ? |
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| 12:51.03 | Rockret | the webcam is USB |
| 12:51.26 | Radiance | guys, if gstreamer-<fill in here the service> refuses to get installed ... is there a way i can check why aptitude/apt-get freeze at "Setting up Gstreamer-<fill in here service> ? |
| 12:51.44 | veleno | which is the command issued to cups by GPdf when launching a print? i need to use the same one in acrobat |
| 12:52.06 | abrotman | it's being held back ? |
| 12:52.23 | netman1 | Radiance: ps -ef | set -x |
| 12:52.24 | mmmmm | veleno, i always used a kdecups frontend in acrobat |
| 12:52.39 | abrotman | veleno: you could strace it :) |
| 12:52.40 | mmmmm | but I've since switched to gnome and don't know the command for either off hand |
| 12:53.09 | Radiance | netman1, thanks, i'll try that |
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| 12:55.31 | MrDuck | dae, dunno what i did, but i doesn't ask for a login any more :P i'll just limit the relay to my local IPs so i don't become an open relay and thats it |
| 12:55.40 | MrDuck | dae, thx |
| 12:56.10 | mmmmm | Does anyone think I need I20 in the kernel? Is that common? I disabled it since it didn't look vital, but maybe I was wrong? |
| 12:56.10 | nick01 | are there security updates for testing or unstable ? |
| 12:56.20 | Phated | No. |
| 12:56.50 | mmmmm | nick01, unstable gets updated so often the security patches probably get in there pretty quick |
| 12:57.01 | mmmmm | no official though |
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| 12:57.12 | dae | MrDuck, that makes sense... |
| 12:57.56 | nick01 | can I still leave security in sources.list with repos from unstable ? (this is sarge) |
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| 13:00.08 | Rockret | when i made install of debain 3.1, I had only first cd, so the installer make download almost 550 Mb of files (KDE, etc.. files of desktop option of install). I would lilke to copy these files to CD-R, but I dont know where these files are .. directory name. |
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| 13:00.47 | Rockret | or I need get the second .iso and burn it |
| 13:00.49 | cahoot | Rockret: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:00.49 | davut | hi |
| 13:01.02 | davut | I have a problem with ide modules |
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| 13:01.17 | davut | when I do lsmod the output seems like this |
| 13:01.27 | davut | ide_generic 1280 0 [permanent] |
| 13:01.27 | davut | via82cxxx 13916 0 [permanent] |
| 13:01.27 | davut | trm290 4356 0 [permanent] |
| 13:01.32 | davut | and this goes on |
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| 13:01.40 | davut | I cannot remove these modules |
| 13:01.45 | davut | what should I do |
| 13:01.53 | Whisky_ | *Anyone* here using Webmin ? |
| 13:02.02 | Rockret | But only 6.1 Mb in this directory "/var/cache/apt/archives" .. sounds that deleted after install ... |
| 13:02.05 | davut | is ti a problem eith hotplug |
| 13:02.42 | Gnea | Whisky_: someone was having a problem with it earlier.. dunno what tho |
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| 13:03.22 | Whisky_ | Gnea: It was me :S |
| 13:03.33 | Gnea | Whisky_: earlier as in yesterday |
| 13:03.46 | Whisky_ | ahh |
| 13:03.47 | Rockret | can i delete files of /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 13:03.55 | asg | Rockret: use apt-get clean |
| 13:03.57 | Gnea | Rockret: apt-get clean does that |
| 13:04.04 | Rockret | ok |
| 13:04.26 | Whisky_ | Gnea: Let me show u something, wait up |
| 13:04.32 | Gnea | alright |
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| 13:04.43 | paster | "Whisky_" at 203.128.5.6 pasted "PERL with Webmin" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/211 |
| 13:04.58 | asg | davut: just disregard them, they won't hurt anything. Otherwise, compiling a custom kernel without support for unneeded modules is the way to go (but don't do it unless you really have to.) |
| 13:04.59 | Rockret | works !!! cool |
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| 13:05.20 | Gnea | aaah |
| 13:05.23 | dob1 | hi, i have a directory with a lot of files, i want to know if there are copy of the sames file on that directory, how can i do that? |
| 13:05.37 | Rockret | how can i make install firefox ? |
| 13:05.43 | Gnea | Whisky_: try this: apt-get install libsys-hostname-long-perl |
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| 13:05.46 | Rockret | web-browse |
| 13:05.55 | dob1 | Rockret: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 13:06.18 | Whisky_ | done |
| 13:06.21 | Whisky_ | now? |
| 13:06.24 | Gnea | and? |
| 13:06.24 | asg | dob1: cmp(1) can compare files to see if they are the same |
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| 13:06.34 | Whisky_ | Setting up libsys-hostname-long-perl (1.2-1) ... |
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| 13:06.44 | Whisky_ | should i try now? |
| 13:06.47 | Gnea | yeah |
| 13:06.53 | Whisky_ | k |
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| 13:08.43 | Whisky_ | it still fails it :\ |
| 13:08.44 | Gnea | Whisky_: any luck? |
| 13:08.46 | Gnea | hrm |
| 13:08.48 | receptor | somehow after upgrade to sarge my boot-menu.b is gone |
| 13:08.48 | yoo | Hi everybody |
| 13:09.03 | dob1 | asg: yes i know cmp but i don't know how can i compare all the files in that dir |
| 13:09.10 | Gnea | receptor: that's cool, grub > lilo anyway ;) |
| 13:09.14 | OldakQuill | Why doesn't the installer ask the user if it may send numerical data about an install so as to give people an idea of the numbers who use Debian, which desktop they use, their architecture, etc.? |
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| 13:09.29 | receptor | heh, i have lilo |
| 13:09.32 | Whisky_ | Gnea: Now ? :\ |
| 13:09.44 | Gnea | Whisky_: looking |
| 13:09.52 | receptor | i still have no time to learn grub |
| 13:09.53 | Whisky_ | k |
| 13:10.17 | Rockret | can i change hostname of my computer .. nowadays my hostname is "cm-net-poa-C8B02C4B" ? (I think name from cablemodem provider .. ) |
| 13:10.35 | xoz | OldakQuill: debian is not a marketing company |
| 13:10.51 | cahoot | OldakQuill: and deduct the ones that uninstall/move to ther dists etc? |
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| 13:11.37 | Gnea | Whisky_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg02985.html |
| 13:11.54 | pngwn | OldakQuill, ain't nobodies bizzness what's on my boxes ;) |
| 13:11.55 | Rockret | why my apt-get is not requesting "yes" or "no" .. to start download of packets? |
| 13:12.03 | asg | dob1: there is also chkdupexe but that may be of limited use. |
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| 13:12.51 | nick01 | how do I see what security updates are available and install them ? |
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| 13:13.14 | nevyn | if I want to migrate home to a new disk while preserving timestamps on files can someone tell me the correct tar foo to do that? |
| 13:13.21 | spiorf | Rockret, is installing only packages you specified, no need of other packages |
| 13:13.38 | OldakQuill | I suppose, I was just thnking of the nice statistics. |
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| 13:13.53 | pngwn | OldakQuill, math major? |
| 13:14.00 | K_Dallas | Rockret, you ask it to install a specific package and it has no need to others so i goes ahead because you have asked it to |
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| 13:14.03 | Rockret | this channel is best one to begginer in linux ! five Viva to #debian channel .. Viva !! Viva !! VIva !! Viva !! Viva !! |
| 13:14.11 | Rockret | ok, thanks |
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| 13:14.13 | Rockret | :) |
| 13:14.16 | receptor | hey, whats a ksoftirqd_CPU0 ?? |
| 13:14.24 | OldakQuill | Heh. |
| 13:14.31 | Whisky_ | Gnea: Ok im having a look at it |
| 13:14.32 | Gnea | !tell nick01 about security |
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| 13:14.51 | OldakQuill | How long do the DVD ISOs take to come up - according to Firefox the ones on the Primary are only ~400MB |
| 13:15.06 | Morti | Wrong server. ;) |
| 13:15.06 | rich0rd | i know, it is not really debian related but how do i set a nice bootsplash? |
| 13:15.06 | Gnea | K_Dallas: who? |
| 13:15.11 | schrankwand | hi, where can I get several versions of the internetexploere as excutable without setup? Don't be scared. i only use Windows in a Virtual Machine ;) |
| 13:15.27 | K_Dallas | the guy who talked a lot about knoppix yesterday ;) |
| 13:15.36 | Rockret | i am arriving conclusion that is not bad idea have 3 first cds of debian ... not only first one |
| 13:15.37 | Pingu12 | does sarge has syslog disabled by default ? :P (my provider says its in the login screen but from the rescue system i find an empty syslog ) |
| 13:15.40 | nick01 | Gnea, tks but is there a way to see what's available and maybe install only the stuff u want ? |
| 13:15.45 | Gnea | schrankwand: on the internet! |
| 13:15.49 | Rockret | 3.1 rc0a |
| 13:15.49 | schrankwand | lol |
| 13:15.54 | OldakQuill | Rockret: I heard 2 |
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| 13:16.05 | OldakQuill | But netinst seems like the best option to me |
| 13:16.05 | Rockret | ok |
| 13:16.10 | schrankwand | Gnea: There I can only find setups for the versions of ie |
| 13:16.11 | Gnea | nick01: synaptic is cool as a gui |
| 13:16.16 | K_Dallas | schrankwand, 1. google, 2. if you have windows games or other applications for windows original CDs, they usually have Ie in them |
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| 13:16.30 | Gnea | schrankwand: k, well we don't support m$ here |
| 13:16.31 | wooden | hi |
| 13:16.37 | OldakQuill | How long does a netinst normally take? |
| 13:16.37 | nick01 | Gnea, I already thought about that- couldn't find any security section |
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| 13:16.44 | Rockret | ok, nice people .. thanks very much .. informations .. help me a lot .. :) see you |
| 13:16.51 | K_Dallas | OldakQuill, dends onotransfer seed, for me iok 3 hrs |
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| 13:17.09 | OldakQuill | You are T1? ;) |
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| 13:17.17 | Gnea | nick01: apt-get install apt-listchanges apt-listbugs |
| 13:17.18 | wooden | knows anyone about this asterisk problem in sarge (conferences) chan_zap.c:916 zt_open: Unable to open '/dev/zap/pseudo': No such device |
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| 13:17.34 | Virtual | when I boot up and it enters KDE my taskbar apears for a second maybe and the quickly dissapears and I don`t know how to bring it back, any ideas? |
| 13:17.40 | Gnea | nick01: when you upgrade it will show you the diffs and ask you if you wanna install it or not |
| 13:17.54 | nick01 | kkk |
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| 13:18.22 | Gnea | Virtual: don't use kde :) |
| 13:18.22 | xoz | Virtual: mv .kde .kde1 then restart kde |
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| 13:18.41 | OldakQuill | Gnea: whatdo you use? |
| 13:18.47 | Gnea | OldakQuill: E17 |
| 13:18.56 | Whisky_ | Gnea; have a look at #Flood |
| 13:19.07 | netman1 | rich0rd: check out the grub man |
| 13:19.35 | nick01 | so there's no way to get a list with the security updates ? |
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| 13:19.49 | netman1 | nick01: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 13:20.09 | nick01 | will that give me the list or will it just start updating ? |
| 13:20.26 | xoz | nick01: feta to-upgrade |
| 13:20.28 | TwistedEmotions | What is the option to get wget to download a whole directory again? |
| 13:20.34 | netman1 | nick01: it will give you the chance to stop before it starts |
| 13:20.40 | agney | nick01, it will give you a list before updating |
| 13:20.42 | nick01 | :/ |
| 13:20.48 | nick01 | k |
| 13:20.50 | nick01 | tks |
| 13:21.13 | netman1 | TwistedEmotions: -r ? |
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| 13:21.37 | TwistedEmotions | netman1: errr thannks I'll try that.. |
| 13:21.55 | TwistedEmotions | Is there a wget command with a download accellerator? |
| 13:22.05 | TwistedEmotions | It's my own server so I am not being greedy |
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| 13:22.16 | TwistedEmotions | I just dont like being stuck it 110k |
| 13:22.22 | netman1 | TwistedEmotions: wget source > /dev/null ;-) |
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| 13:23.08 | TwistedEmotions | netman1: hahah ;) Waaaay too much work |
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| 13:23.15 | khansw | hello everyone, i was hoping someone won't mind lending me a little help troubleshooting a problem i'm having. |
| 13:23.24 | yong | 大家好！ |
| 13:23.25 | yong | my dear friend ,do u kown where i could get the deb for the fvwm? |
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| 13:24.09 | netman1 | TwistedEmotions: Seriously, if you got speed problems on your local LAN, try direct (cross) utp cable or another switch/route/hub. |
| 13:24.28 | Gnea | Whisky_: woody's deprecated as of 2 days ago |
| 13:24.37 | Whisky_ | so what do i do ? |
| 13:24.45 | Gnea | upgrade :) |
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| 13:24.50 | Whisky_ | how? |
| 13:24.54 | DoppelGanger | rtfm |
| 13:24.57 | Gnea | !woody->sarge |
| 13:25.01 | netman1 | yong: apt-get install fvwm |
| 13:25.04 | Whisky_ | dist-upgrade says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:25.07 | overnout | Gnea: does it mean that woody is dead ? |
| 13:25.10 | Gnea | !tell Whisky_ about woody->sarge |
| 13:25.28 | TwistedEmotions | netman1: it's not a LAN... It's a Virtual Server... the thing is I download at 110k from the server and I know it can upload at like 300k+ because I have seen it upload that fast when I am sharing torrents.. |
| 13:25.35 | tarzeau | moo |
| 13:25.41 | Whisky_ | How do i confirm again that I have woody or sarge? :\ |
| 13:25.42 | Gnea | overnout: no if it was dead it wouldn't exist |
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| 13:25.52 | tarzeau | Whisky_: check your /etc/debian_version |
| 13:25.55 | tarzeau | Whisky_: and your sources.list |
| 13:25.56 | Gnea | overnout: it's not in circulation anymore though |
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| 13:26.04 | Whisky_ | 3.1 |
| 13:26.07 | khanman | ive been running sarge for probably a year now....now that its been released as stable is it wise to upgrade to etch yet? or should i wait a bit? |
| 13:26.21 | khansw | hello everyone, i was hoping someone won't mind lending me a little help troubleshooting a problem i'm having. |
| 13:26.22 | Whisky_ | Gnea: 3.1 |
| 13:26.24 | overnout | Gnea: there are no security updates rights |
| 13:26.32 | overnout | *right |
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| 13:26.54 | netman1 | TwistedEmotions: Hmm, any difference between server side tools (Ie. ftp/sshd/rcp) ? |
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| 13:27.11 | Whisky_ | whats 3.1? Woody or sarge ? |
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| 13:27.17 | Gnea | overnout: i'm not sure actually... |
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| 13:27.26 | Gnea | well |
| 13:27.33 | Gnea | Whisky_: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 13:27.54 | schrankwand | Whisky_: 3.1 is sarche, wich is stable now |
| 13:28.01 | Whisky_ | Gnea: #Flood |
| 13:28.05 | ethics | could someone help me with debugging my cdroms...the modules look loaded but devices not created and no messages in dmesg when i modprobe ide-cd |
| 13:28.07 | schrankwand | s/sarche/sarge/ |
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| 13:28.17 | netman1 | khansw: state your question: don't ask to ask. |
| 13:28.32 | Gnea | ok |
| 13:28.40 | Gnea | Whisky_: apt-get update |
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| 13:28.51 | TwistedEmotions | netman1: not really... I dont know.. I think somehow or another each connection going in/out of the server is limited to a certain speed... it's wired |
| 13:28.56 | TwistedEmotions | *weird |
| 13:29.03 | khansw | has anyone run into a problem with sarge locking up after bringing the wlan0 interface down then bringing it back up using ifdown wlan0 and ifup wlan0? |
| 13:29.06 | Whisky_ | k |
| 13:29.07 | _NiNJA_ | hello all |
| 13:29.56 | netman1 | khansw: does just that 1 session hang or the whole machine (no num- capslock working) ? |
| 13:30.06 | Whisky_ | Gnea ? |
| 13:30.36 | Gnea | Whisky_: any errors? |
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| 13:30.46 | khansw | netman1: the whole maching just locks up, i have to cycle the system off and back on |
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| 13:30.59 | ethics | could someone help me with debugging my cdroms...the modules look loaded but devices not created and no messages in dmesg when i modprobe ide-cd |
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| 13:31.41 | netman1 | khansw: how do you determine it is the whole machine and not just the process? (Just making sure) |
| 13:31.47 | Gnea | ethics: dunno, built mine into the kernel |
| 13:32.21 | Whisky_ | Gnea: What do i have? |
| 13:32.21 | khansw | netman1: it only happens when i lose my signal, so i do a iwlist wlan0 scan to find my router than i bring the interface down, once i bring it back up and it gets the dhcp request as soon as i move the mouse again it locks up completely. |
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| 13:32.40 | Gnea | Whisky_: when you apt-get update, do you get any errors like 404 or whtaever? |
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| 13:32.50 | Whisky_ | Gnea: none |
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| 13:32.52 | ethics | Gnea: kk this is just a debian image..i had to come back from the 2.6.11 one to this ..discover or something went crazy and remapped my eths around on different cards etc but i fixed it all except cdroms.... |
| 13:32.53 | Gnea | Whisky_: well stable == sarge right now so yer good |
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| 13:32.58 | Whisky_ | yay! |
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| 13:32.59 | Gnea | Whisky_: apt-get upgrade |
| 13:32.59 | Whisky_ | :D |
| 13:33.08 | khansw | netman1: ive tried jumping to another termianl (ie. ctrl-F1) but nothing, none of my ttys respond, no keyboard commands are entered. everything is just frozen |
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| 13:33.28 | _NiNJA_ | !rescue disk |
| 13:33.28 | dpkg | methinks rescue disk is useful if you borked your root partition on the harddrive. Boot the rescue disk with "linux single" or "linux root=/dev/hdaX" |
| 13:33.33 | Whisky_ | Gnea: I did that last night and it did upgrading like for about a few minutes and consumed LOTS of my monthly transfer -_- |
| 13:33.39 | Gnea | ethics: yeah, when it comes to nics i compile those as modules and load them in the order i wanna use 'em as :) |
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| 13:33.51 | netman1 | khansw: that's more serious, any possibility to swap out the wlan card or mouse and so test for which one guilty? |
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| 13:34.20 | Gnea | Whisky_: oh ouch, that sucks... they still charge for bandwidth?! |
| 13:34.29 | Whisky_ | Gnea: yeah :( |
| 13:34.34 | Gnea | lame |
| 13:34.37 | khansw | netman1: I can swap out the mouse, but not the wireless card, as its built into the system (im running sarge on a laptop with built in wireless) |
| 13:34.40 | Whisky_ | definitely |
| 13:34.45 | Gnea | anyhow |
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| 13:35.01 | _NiNJA_ | is there a package in debian that creates a "rescue" disk? ... rather than having a boot / root disk etc |
| 13:35.02 | Gnea | Whisky_: apt-get dist-upgrade <- anything? |
| 13:35.22 | Whisky_ | wait |
| 13:35.30 | Whisky_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:35.30 | netman1 | khansw: try that, then check for the resulting driver to have any bugs. |
| 13:35.45 | Gnea | _NiNJA_: i got a screenfull of replies with: apt-cache search rescue |
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| 13:35.58 | Gnea | Whisky_: hrm alright, should be up to date then |
| 13:36.04 | Whisky_ | :P~ |
| 13:36.11 | Gnea | Whisky_: that's wierd, i don't know why it didn't install it |
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| 13:36.29 | Whisky_ | :\ |
| 13:36.31 | Pingu12 | i just read tigon3 driver support has been removed from kernel for license issues - is it still available in the 2.6.11 nonfree ? |
| 13:36.42 | khansw | netman1: Ok, I will remove the mouse and bring my interface down and back up , if it stills hang then I suppose its not conflict with the mouse correct? then i should start troubleshooting my wireless drivers i take it? |
| 13:37.03 | abrotman | Pingu12: i'm using it in sarge now |
| 13:37.12 | cartman | where to read about gcc4 transition? |
| 13:37.19 | abrotman | Pingu12: it was in the 2.6 kernel that released with sarge |
| 13:37.33 | Gnea | abrotman: the full one? |
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| 13:37.36 | netman1 | khansw: about right, it sure would tell you the necessary things. The rude way to check would be to install a radically different kernel. |
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| 13:37.47 | abrotman | Gnea: full enough that works .. half empty/full .. don't care . it works :) |
| 13:37.48 | zimnyx | i got other colors in syntax highlighting, in text console, and in gnome-terminal. how can i have those console colors? |
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| 13:38.05 | Gnea | abrotman: i've had it NOT work and had to track the real driver down :) |
| 13:38.17 | netman1 | khansw: like when you are using 2.6.8 now, install 2.4.27 and check wether the problem persists. |
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| 13:38.49 | khansw | netman1: lol, ok, on another subject before i leave to test, is there a good boot logger out there besides bootlogd? |
| 13:38.50 | abrotman | Gnea: i'm just irish like that |
| 13:38.59 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 13:39.23 | khansw | netman1: ok didnt think to try it on my old kernels, i still have 2.4.27 hanging around so i'll try that to :) |
| 13:39.29 | netman1 | khansw: you already learned me more about that, than I knew before of it ;-) |
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| 13:39.39 | aux | dalnet |
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| 13:39.45 | Whisky_ | I need the BEST IRC client for *NIX |
| 13:39.56 | ctd | Whisky_: irssi. |
| 13:40.05 | Whisky_ | *Better* |
| 13:40.14 | ctd | ? |
| 13:40.21 | Whisky_ | even better :P~ |
| 13:40.21 | khansw | netman1: ok thanks for your help :) i'll be back in a little while *crosses fingers* |
| 13:40.30 | Kvant | Whisky_, what about xchat ? |
| 13:40.32 | netman1 | khansw: goog luck |
| 13:40.37 | cartman | Whisky_: konversation |
| 13:40.40 | Whisky_ | Kvant: For kids |
| 13:40.45 | Xuse | what does irssi do that's so good? |
| 13:40.47 | netman1 | s/og/od/ |
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| 13:41.10 | Escher | hi all.....i need some help installing Debian on my PC. I downloaded the netinstall CD, burnt it on to a CD, checked the CRC and finally started the installation.....but when the installer started to check my hardware, the system froze |
| 13:41.10 | Triffid_Hunter | kvirc is nice |
| 13:41.12 | cartman | Whisky_: use Konversation |
| 13:41.17 | ctd | Xuse: you really have to try it. |
| 13:41.19 | Whisky_ | hmm k |
| 13:41.22 | ctd | Xuse: It's just really nice. |
| 13:41.23 | _NiNJA_ | Whisky: Bitchx |
| 13:41.33 | Gnea | ouch |
| 13:41.35 | xoz | Escher: sata? |
| 13:41.39 | Whisky_ | _NiNJA_: irssi = BitchX - Lameness |
| 13:41.42 | Gnea | just crashed X |
| 13:41.44 | Gnea | heh |
| 13:41.52 | Pingu12 | who is right now : abrotman or gnea :P |
| 13:42.01 | OldakQuill | Is anyone running Intel wireless hardware under Debian? |
| 13:42.01 | abrotman | right about what? |
| 13:42.07 | Pingu12 | the tigon3 support |
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| 13:42.13 | Escher | The Debian installer froze while trying to load the SCSI module |
| 13:42.14 | abrotman | Pingu12: it's in there .. it apparently depends on the card you have .. lspci |
| 13:42.16 | rixth | If you rm something, does it go to the trash? |
| 13:42.24 | abrotman | 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5901 100Base-TX (rev 01) |
| 13:42.25 | ^QwErTz^ | loll |
| 13:42.30 | abrotman | that's mine .. work off that |
| 13:42.31 | ^QwErTz^ | bitchx is so old |
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| 13:42.38 | xoz | rixth: linux has no idea about trash |
| 13:42.39 | abrotman | bitchx just sucks |
| 13:42.40 | ^QwErTz^ | irssi rox |
| 13:42.55 | Pingu12 | its the BCM5721 |
| 13:43.04 | _NiNJA_ | <--oldschool .. still use ircII with scripting client |
| 13:43.13 | abrotman | Pingu12: well .. you can try it ... mine worked with the sarge installer |
| 13:43.19 | abrotman | course .. so did my wifi |
| 13:43.21 | Escher | c'mon, any guru out there willing to help me? |
| 13:43.37 | _NiNJA_ | Escher: do u have scsi drives? |
| 13:43.48 | abrotman | !tell _NiNJA_ about u |
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| 13:43.59 | netman1 | Escher: I would start looking for commandline switches of the installer to disable things |
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| 13:44.16 | Escher | ninja: not at all, i have a SATA and a IDE (UltraDMA) hd |
| 13:44.18 | Gnea | !tell Escher about ask |
| 13:44.20 | abrotman | Escher: debconf/priority=medium |
| 13:44.22 | xoz | Escher: people here are not mind readers... explain the error |
| 13:44.27 | ethics | Badness in remove_proc_entry at fs/proc/generic.c:688 |
| 13:44.27 | ethics | ? clues anyone |
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| 13:44.44 | xoz | Escher: told you, sata issue |
| 13:44.51 | Gnea | HELP MY STOMACH IS EMPTY WTF DO I DO!??!$)# |
| 13:44.52 | Gnea | brb |
| 13:44.59 | Escher | ok, i'll try to give you all as many info i can |
| 13:45.00 | abrotman | !feed Gnea |
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| 13:45.06 | abrotman | Escher: debconf/priority=medium |
| 13:45.20 | Escher | i have two hd (one Sata and one ide |
| 13:45.27 | abrotman | ok .. fine ... |
| 13:45.28 | khansw | netman1: ok so it appears to be a conflict with my external mouse (usb optical mouse), any ideas??? lol |
| 13:45.33 | Escher | mountede on a Abit AN7 motherboard |
| 13:45.38 | Pingu12 | abrotman: oh, i already tried for about 24h. Its just that i cant make the box finding the interface and i now want to know why :P |
| 13:45.41 | cavediver | Hi guys. After upgrading to sarge my gallery packet was updated and now it sais it has to be reconfigured, But i get a error |
| 13:45.47 | netman1 | khansw: kill it ;-) |
| 13:45.51 | xoz | Escher: install debian in ide |
| 13:45.59 | khansw | netman1: lol |
| 13:46.04 | abrotman | Pingu12: did you install discover ? .. `dmesg | grep -i eth` shows nothing ? |
| 13:46.08 | Escher | xoz<: that's what i was about to do |
| 13:46.15 | Escher | but i just can install it! |
| 13:46.22 | abrotman | Escher: which kernel image are you installing ? |
| 13:46.31 | xoz | Escher: sata is not well supported yet because it's a new tech |
| 13:46.36 | Escher | the installation freeze after starting checking my hardware |
| 13:46.37 | abrotman | xoz: that's crap |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | Escher: which kernel image are you installing ? |
| 13:46.45 | Escher | netinstall |
| 13:46.50 | Escher | the latest one |
| 13:46.50 | abrotman | no . which kernel |
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| 13:46.55 | abrotman | Escher: did you try 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 13:46.58 | Escher | the default one |
| 13:47.03 | abrotman | linux26 .. hit enter |
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| 13:47.08 | netman1 | khansw: check out the driver and bugs related to it, or just buy another mouse. It's not worth tracing it, unless you got |
| 13:47.13 | rixth | I accidentally deleted a directory with rm -rf any chance of getting it back? |
| 13:47.17 | abrotman | no |
| 13:47.19 | abrotman | use your backups |
| 13:47.27 | khansw | netman1: input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM)] on usb-0000:00:03.2-1 |
| 13:47.30 | netman1 | khansw: aspirations of becoming a kernel driver developer ;-) |
| 13:47.51 | adaran | how can i get a list of all the packages that are not-reinstallable (i set my sources.list to only the official mirrors, and i want a list of packages that are third-party)? |
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| 13:48.14 | Escher | abrotman: you mean i should tell the debian installer to use another kernel? i have an Athlon 2800+ (barton) |
| 13:48.20 | adaran | i tried constructing something with dpkg-query and apt-get --reinstall, but i cannot get dpkg-query to return only the names of installed packages (tried -W and --showformat) |
| 13:48.29 | khansw | netman1: thanks for everything, im gonna go goole around and see if there are any issues with this mouse :) |
| 13:48.30 | ethics | ok so i need to recompile my kernel Gnea: wheres a howto fo it any clues? |
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| 13:48.36 | abrotman | Escher: when you put the CD in .. type `linux26` at the prompt .. then hit enter |
| 13:48.37 | netman1 | khansw: serious: try plugging in the mouse after the whole machine has booted and your are logged in already, |
| 13:48.39 | khansw | netman1: google* |
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| 13:49.04 | Pingu12 | abrotman: cant dmesg, no network -> no ssh. I can just boot a rescue system and mount the hd to try a different config |
| 13:49.04 | xoz | adaran: you meant upgradeable? |
| 13:49.07 | abrotman | Escher: the default is 2.4 .. try a 2.6 .. if it still does't work .. |
| 13:49.16 | khansw | netman1: roger that, i'll give that a shot, something tells me im gonna lock up when i do lol |
| 13:49.17 | abrotman | Pingu12: no terminal ? |
| 13:49.28 | netman1 | khansw: I have seen that help before helping things with mouse/keyboard/hotplug related bugs. |
| 13:49.30 | xoz | abrotman: then my statement about sata issue holds |
| 13:49.37 | abrotman | xoz: only in 2.4 |
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| 13:49.44 | rixth | I accidentally deleted a directory with rm -rf any chance of getting it back? If so, howq |
| 13:49.50 | abrotman | xoz: have you actually tried sata ? |
| 13:49.51 | Pingu12 | abrotman: there is one but some hundret miles away |
| 13:50.01 | Escher | abrotman: i'll give that a try thnkx. |
| 13:50.02 | xoz | abrotman: yep |
| 13:50.03 | zimnyx | vim-synstax-highlighting is weird in gnome-terminal. is it possible to fix it? |
| 13:50.05 | shingouz | rixth: no way. use the backups |
| 13:50.07 | abrotman | Pingu12: uhm .. |
| 13:50.14 | abrotman | xoz: and it didn't work for you ? |
| 13:50.17 | Ermak | Hy boys I have a big problem with gnome: I must install gnome but I havedependencies problemsr |
| 13:50.19 | xoz | abrotman: yep |
| 13:50.22 | adaran | xoz, no, it's just i have a couple of packages from elsewhere (kde 3.4, mplayer, php5) that i want to gradually remove and replace once they enter the official repositories (of testing or unstable) |
| 13:50.27 | abrotman | yep it did or did not ? |
| 13:50.39 | xoz | abrotman: not |
| 13:50.45 | khansw | netman1: thanks again, it seems to work fine as long as i remove the mouse before dropping and bringing the interface back up. As long as I remove it then cycle the interface and then plug the mouse back in it doesnt lock up, so at least its a temporary workaround :-) |
| 13:50.56 | xoz | abrotman: i have to use knoppix to have linux :) |
| 13:50.57 | abrotman | xoz: dunno which controller you had .. ever person i've seen(personally) install on sata . worked |
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| 13:51.14 | aiw | if upgrade from woody to sarge, apache seems to upgraded from 1.3x to 2.0x, will all my virtual hosts be upgraded also? |
| 13:51.23 | abrotman | Pingu12: well .. that would be how you check .. what about a temporary nic ? |
| 13:51.31 | xoz | abrotman: dell.. but 3 months ago. but maybe it is now fixed. |
| 13:51.33 | abrotman | aiw: you don't have to upgrade apache |
| 13:51.40 | abrotman | xoz: CERC card ? |
| 13:52.15 | receptor | aiw: i have sarge with apache 1.3 |
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| 13:52.34 | aiw | abrotman: how can i do this upgrade leaving apache at 1.3? |
| 13:52.38 | rixth | [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf /mnt || echo "You live" << A trusted frined posted that, I didn't care to read it (yes, I know :( ) and, lucky me, Russian Roulette for Linux, first try, I get killed. |
| 13:52.40 | xoz | abrotman: did not check on the hardware.. i just wanted to use it for compilation and used knoppix and nfsmounted my home dir |
| 13:52.50 | abrotman | xoz: ok |
| 13:52.55 | crylyx | hi, somebody using dmix or similar to run multiple sounds at once? |
| 13:52.57 | abrotman | aiw: apt-get install apache |
| 13:52.59 | initech | aiw: apache 1.3 is in sarge. it should not upgrade that to apache 2 |
| 13:53.26 | receptor | aiw: just upgrade, it will simply leave apache at 1.3 |
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| 13:53.40 | initech | aiw: but the configuration is different, it's been split up into separate files since woody |
| 13:53.48 | xoz | apache1.3 and apache2 can coexist |
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| 13:54.23 | rayen | Hi, I am trying to exit X by killing the X- and GDM process, but somehow it keeps restarting.. how could I temporarily disable X to install my NVIDIA drivers? |
| 13:54.38 | receptor | rayen: init 2 |
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| 13:54.45 | khansw | rayen : /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 13:54.46 | dopey | receptor: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 13:54.48 | Gnea | rayen: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 13:54.48 | rixth | If I wanted to change a vfat partition to ext3, how would I go about it? |
| 13:54.57 | rixth | (I doin't care about the data) |
| 13:55.07 | aiw | when i run apt-get -s dist-upgrade, the output says it is going to remove apache and install apache2-utils, does this mean it is going to upgrade apache to version 2? |
| 13:55.10 | sneex | reformat to ext3 |
| 13:55.15 | Pingu12 | abrotman: a temp nic - thats an idea, thx. some hundret $ but i dont know another way out now |
| 13:55.23 | sneex | fdisk /dev/hda |
| 13:55.25 | xoz | rixth: cfdisk ... then mkfs.ext3 |
| 13:55.30 | rixth | Thanks |
| 13:55.31 | dbeal | don't forget to fdisk it, set partition type to Linux |
| 13:55.34 | Gnea | rixth: fdisk /dev/hda, change the partition type, save & exit, format |
| 13:55.42 | sneex | 82 |
| 13:55.44 | sneex | 83 |
| 13:55.45 | abrotman | Pingu12: a floppy? |
| 13:55.51 | Gnea | 83 |
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| 13:56.14 | sneex | lol |
| 13:56.16 | Gnea | heh |
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| 13:56.57 | nickazza | exit |
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| 13:57.23 | toresbe | !marillat |
| 13:57.23 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
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| 13:58.35 | receptor | what do you think guys, how many installations of debian are there in the world for productions systems? |
| 13:58.51 | simonrvn | a lot |
| 13:58.58 | Xuse | Does it really matter? |
| 13:58.59 | Gnea | a lot is too small |
| 13:59.01 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:59.04 | receptor | i hope ;D |
| 13:59.11 | avu | 42 |
| 13:59.13 | simonrvn | a fuck of a lot? ;) |
| 13:59.13 | EmleyMoor | Is there a channel that can provide help with an openoffice problem? Alternatively, does anyone here know how to set the data paths it uses? |
| 13:59.17 | receptor | haha |
| 13:59.18 | Gnea | ahhaha |
| 13:59.25 | Retep | what is debian |
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| 13:59.34 | simonrvn | an os |
| 13:59.37 | Sirlon | hey folks |
| 13:59.39 | Gnea | Retep: /topic |
| 13:59.55 | Gnea | !debian |
| 13:59.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 13:59.57 | beeblebrox87 | simonrvn: more than that, isn't it? |
| 14:00.00 | Pingu12 | abrotman: what do you mean ? How can floppy help here? |
| 14:00.16 | sneex | !Linux |
| 14:00.17 | dpkg | it has been said that linux is closed |
| 14:00.26 | sneex | ouchies |
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| 14:00.36 | abrotman | Pingu12: have the colo put the driver on a floppy? :) |
| 14:00.37 | simonrvn | !factinfo linux |
| 14:00.37 | dpkg | linux -- created by linux <jim@earth.laney.edu> at Sun Mar 26 08:59:07 2000 (1903 days); it has been requested 456 times, last by sneex, 21s ago; it has been locked by linux. |
| 14:00.54 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 14:01.06 | sneex | lol |
| 14:01.13 | xoz | !factinfo Linux |
| 14:01.13 | dpkg | linux -- created by linux <jim@earth.laney.edu> at Sun Mar 26 08:59:07 2000 (1903 days); it has been requested 456 times, last by sneex, 57s ago; it has been locked by linux. |
| 14:01.13 | sneex | try /j linux |
| 14:01.33 | _NiNJA_ | !xwindows web site |
| 14:01.45 | receptor | dpkg: linux is not closed |
| 14:01.45 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, receptor |
| 14:01.47 | Sirlon | I'm considering getting the new version of KDE since I can't use certain things with it. I've recently aquirred a flash usb drive aswell so i was wondering if there was anyway that I could connect the flash usb to linux to back up my files before I switch? |
| 14:01.51 | Pingu12 | abrotman: and then load @ boottime ? |
| 14:01.51 | receptor | hyhy |
| 14:01.52 | HybridTheory | join debian-zh |
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| 14:03.15 | sneex | !unlock linux |
| 14:03.19 | Sirlon | Basically i'm asking if there is anyway i can connect my flash usb drive to linux atall |
| 14:03.21 | sneex | ouchies |
| 14:03.42 | Gnea | Sirlon: yeah, plug it in and watch /var/log/kern.log |
| 14:03.44 | abrotman | Pingu12: you could .. i guess .. extra nic is probably easier .. did they try tg3 and b44 ? |
| 14:03.46 | simonrvn | _NiNJA_: it's not xwindows... it's x, x11, x window system... you'll want either www.xfree86.org or the www.freedesktop.org site |
| 14:03.58 | Sirlon | what do you mean by 'watch'? |
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| 14:04.12 | Gnea | Sirlon: if it's set right it'll load the proper scsi modules and present you with a device |
| 14:04.17 | Gnea | tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 14:04.21 | simonrvn | tail it, tail -f or less then press F |
| 14:04.41 | Pingu12 | abrotman: they didnt try anything - its me who tries. i dont know b44 at all |
| 14:04.43 | Sirlon | righto ilkl try that |
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| 14:04.51 | duffmckagan | Can anybody help me with installing Woody?.....plz don't tell me to install Sarge! |
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| 14:05.11 | EmleyMoor | duffmckagan: Why do you particularly want to install woody? |
| 14:05.13 | duffmckagan | the only problem is with the GUI........the version of xfree86 doesn't support my graphics card.....for woody |
| 14:05.14 | MoDaX | Sirlon: plug it into your usb port and mount /dev/sda (in case you don't have any other scsi-like devices) afterwards |
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| 14:05.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 14:05.42 | EmleyMoor | sarge is stable, you really shouldn't be considering installing woody |
| 14:05.57 | resiak | MoDaX: You might well mean /dev/sda1 |
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| 14:06.02 | MoDaX | Sirlon: or you can use gnome 2.10.x or kde 3.4.x which have dbus support and makes this process easier a lot |
| 14:06.03 | renegad3 | hi guys, I need some help with my touchpad on my laptop :) I started off with a clean install and the touchpad was working perfectly fine. I then started installing some apps blah blah blah, then when I installed the bluez-utils package the touchpad stop working right after that :( has anyone got any suggestions? I have been searching google and forums but cannot seem to find what im looking for as this is the first time I have setup |
| 14:06.03 | renegad3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.05 | duffmckagan | i am currently in a village, and don't have a good internet connection here... |
| 14:06.06 | Sirlon | righto....er...how do you mount it? |
| 14:06.24 | duffmckagan | i can't get to download sarge, or buy sarge CDs |
| 14:06.26 | yage | since last upgrade i'm no more able to "su" to an user with /bin/false shell anymore, what should i change to do that (other than changing its shell)? |
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| 14:06.33 | duffmckagan | i have woody(all 7 CDs with me) |
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| 14:06.41 | MoDaX | resiak: yeah |
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| 14:06.50 | EmleyMoor | OK, what's the actual problem with woody? |
| 14:06.55 | duffmckagan | good.. |
| 14:06.57 | duffmckagan | thanks man! |
| 14:07.09 | MoDaX | EmleyMoor: it's very old |
| 14:07.12 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, the only problem is i am not able to use the GUI |
| 14:07.13 | sneex | c/lear |
| 14:07.16 | sneex | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 14:07.27 | duffmckagan | MoDaX, i too know that man, but i have no other option.... |
| 14:07.37 | Sirlon | how do i mount that then? |
| 14:07.40 | EmleyMoor | duffmckagan: Which version(s) of xfree86 have you tried? |
| 14:08.01 | khansw | !seth |
| 14:08.01 | dpkg | from memory, seth is super-sexy aka KhanSW and usually found idling in #debian to assist other users with problems they may have running debian or linux in general. Khansw can also usually be found playing counter-strike online at http://www.ez-company.net. He's also known to be a Military Police soldier in the 127th MP CO based out of Germany and recently returned from Baghdad Iraq. |
| 14:08.02 | sneex | !mount |
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| 14:08.02 | dpkg | hmm... mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 14:08.09 | EmleyMoor | Which graphics chipset are you using? |
| 14:08.19 | MoDaX | Sirlon: mount /dev/sda1 /path/to/the/mount/point as root |
| 14:08.27 | Sirlon | ah k |
| 14:08.30 | khansw | !lol |
| 14:08.30 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
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| 14:08.43 | Sirlon | wha do you think i should use as the path to the mount point? |
| 14:08.51 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, i haven't tried anything yet......i am quite lost.... |
| 14:08.54 | khansw | !winex |
| 14:08.54 | dpkg | winex is probably see cedega |
| 14:08.58 | EmleyMoor | Sirlon: What is it you are mounting? |
| 14:08.59 | cddesjar | how do i remove all the kde games from my system |
| 14:09.04 | khansw | !cedega |
| 14:09.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 14:09.05 | Sirlon | a flash usb drive |
| 14:09.16 | EmleyMoor | duffmckagan: If you haven't tried anything, how do you know it doesn't work? |
| 14:09.19 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, the thing is .....i need to install a new version of Xfree86 and that should solve the problem |
| 14:09.34 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, i was told about this in the forums, but i have now lost the thread..... |
| 14:09.45 | EmleyMoor | What's the graphics chipset on your machine? |
| 14:10.07 | sneex | !unlobotomy |
| 14:10.08 | cddesjar | anyone know of a program that converts mp3s to wav files |
| 14:10.12 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, S3 graphics PRO savage DDR |
| 14:10.17 | EmleyMoor | Sirlon: How about /flash? |
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| 14:10.27 | Sirlon | kk |
| 14:10.34 | MoDaX | Sirlon: any directory you like. or a more standard way is to one in /mnt/ |
| 14:10.35 | EmleyMoor | duffmckagan: Not one I know |
| 14:10.41 | Sirlon | ok |
| 14:10.51 | Sirlon | i suppose i need to crreate that directory first? |
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| 14:10.58 | MoDaX | Sirlon: yes |
| 14:11.01 | duffmckagan | Ok.....but i am sure that the new version of Xfree86 supports it |
| 14:11.10 | Sirlon | ok cheerz |
| 14:11.13 | cddesjar | anyone know of a program that converts mp3s to wav files |
| 14:11.23 | Phated | sox. |
| 14:11.30 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, so how do I go with replacing the version of xfree86? |
| 14:11.41 | EmleyMoor | mpg321 piped through sox will do it |
| 14:11.48 | cddesjar | sox? ok |
| 14:11.52 | OldakQuill | Is there a readable development roadmap for Debian? |
| 14:12.06 | EmleyMoor | duffmckagan: Um... do you have a decent enough network connection? |
| 14:12.22 | Phated | Why would you need to pipe it? |
| 14:12.26 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, i would be able to download the new version though |
| 14:12.33 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, it is a dialup |
| 14:12.39 | Sirlon | im getting an error mounting...mount: the kernel does not recognize /dev/sda1 as a block device |
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| 14:12.55 | EmleyMoor | duffmckagan: Look at www.apt-get.org and see if you can find a repository for woody with newer X |
| 14:12.57 | drac | duffmckagan: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/savage.4.html |
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| 14:13.11 | drac | duffmckagan: XFree 4.3.0 is Debian Sarge has driver for that card. |
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| 14:13.17 | drac | s/is/in/ |
| 14:13.20 | duffmckagan | drac, EmleyMoor , hold on guys.....i will check those out. |
| 14:13.39 | vezult | duffmckagan: deb http://debian.freenux.org/xorg-debian-amd64 ./ |
| 14:13.53 | vezult | duffmckagan: that will get you x.org |
| 14:13.55 | cddesjar | if i wanted to convert all my mp3 files in a directory to wav files would i type mpg123 -w *.wav *.mp3 |
| 14:13.57 | sneex | is the /dev/sda1 Device NTFS ? |
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| 14:14.00 | duffmckagan | vezult, no man it is just a intel pentium 4 |
| 14:14.06 | Sirlon | how can i tell that? |
| 14:14.11 | billy | Sirlon: type mount to see how ur disk(s) are mount at moment |
| 14:14.14 | vezult | duffmckagan: there's a 32bit version there too...this is just what i've got in my sources.list |
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| 14:14.16 | sneex | how did you format the device? |
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| 14:14.49 | Sirlon | you mean my flash drive? |
| 14:14.50 | martinja | Hi |
| 14:14.53 | MoDaX | Sirlon: check dmesg output, which device was assigned to your flash drive by the kernel |
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| 14:14.56 | Rockret | exist some file in linux compatible with compress file .rar (winrar) ? |
| 14:15.00 | martinja | How can I check which debain I have? |
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| 14:15.10 | duffmckagan | vezult, ok thanks......i am tryin |
| 14:15.10 | Rockret | file = program to read .rar |
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| 14:15.11 | martinja | Would like to see if I can see if I have woody or sarge |
| 14:15.14 | vezult | martinja: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:15.18 | xoz | Sirlon: modprobe ehci-hcd .. modprobe usb-storage |
| 14:15.21 | martinja | cheers |
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| 14:15.31 | vezult | 3.0 is woody, 3.1 is sarge |
| 14:15.38 | Sirlon | sorry, im now a little confused, what should i do? |
| 14:15.39 | cddesjar | also when i use apt-get to get a kernel does it come with the kernel source? |
| 14:15.43 | amphi | Rockret: unrar |
| 14:15.43 | martinja | ole . 3.1 :) |
| 14:15.49 | cddesjar | so that i can configure my kernel |
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| 14:15.54 | MoDaX | Sirlon: btw, which debian version are you running? |
| 14:15.56 | cddesjar | ...i need to add ACPI support |
| 14:16.02 | Sirlon | kde 3.3 |
| 14:16.08 | Rockret | ok, thanks |
| 14:16.10 | EmleyMoor | cddesjar: A kernel-source package does, kernel-image doesn't |
| 14:16.48 | cddesjar | what if i did apt-get install kernel_name |
| 14:16.48 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, vezult , drac : i tried out this link.......now what do i do? http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/savage.4.html |
| 14:16.51 | Rockret | no return .. apt-cache search unrar |
| 14:17.11 | duffmckagan | vezult, this too ....what should i download? http://debian.freenux.org/xorg-debian-amd64/ |
| 14:17.27 | MoDaX | Sirlon: do you have any sata drives? |
| 14:17.29 | cddesjar | ok...i guess i grade an image...i need to get a source? |
| 14:17.32 | cddesjar | package? |
| 14:17.37 | Sirlon | what is a sata drive? |
| 14:17.45 | sneex | serial ata |
| 14:17.46 | EmleyMoor | kernel-source-2.whatever |
| 14:17.54 | sneex | !sata |
| 14:17.54 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain |
| 14:18.03 | Rockret | unrar is graphical or text ? |
| 14:18.14 | martinja | damn debian is fun |
| 14:18.32 | vezult | duffmckagan: try that url without the xorg-debian-amd64 on the end...the URL is a bit different for i386, but I cant seem to find the correct link ATM |
| 14:18.33 | receptor | !fun |
| 14:18.33 | dpkg | !find apt |
| 14:18.38 | cddesjar | do i need anything other than the source to edit the kernel? |
| 14:18.40 | drac | Rockret: text, thank god. |
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| 14:18.48 | Rockret | lol .. ok |
| 14:18.56 | cddesjar | or do i need the tree as well? |
| 14:19.02 | duffmckagan | vezult, what about this one then? http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/savage.4.html |
| 14:19.05 | EmleyMoor | cddesjar: kernel-package, so that you can make a .deb of your custom kernel |
| 14:19.08 | EmleyMoor | source = tree |
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| 14:19.20 | cddesjar | ok great |
| 14:19.20 | drac | duffmckagan: That is the driver for your card, and it is in latest Debian Stable (Sarge). |
| 14:19.23 | duffmckagan | vezult, this site includes my graphics card too.....so this version must be supporting my chipset |
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| 14:19.45 | EmleyMoor | Getting sarge is not that thrilling a prospect at the moment for duffmckagan |
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| 14:20.02 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, how about upgrading later? |
| 14:20.07 | lilwade | i was wandering, would anyone know where on Debian's site would be the sources.list for sarge soi can add sources to my list ? |
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| 14:20.12 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, like apt-get dist upgrade? |
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| 14:20.44 | duffmckagan | drac, so what do i do there? How do i get along with replacing the xfree86? |
| 14:20.45 | EmleyMoor | duffmckagan: If you choose a repository for woody that's well designed, the version of X in sarge will be considered an upgrade and should be pain-free |
| 14:20.53 | cddesjar | will the kernel-package add the source to /usr/src/ |
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| 14:21.12 | EmleyMoor | cddesjar: It will at least add the tarball - extract it |
| 14:21.19 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, ok, but this is dialup......so i can't get to the internet, without a GUi |
| 14:21.22 | martinja | ole :) |
| 14:21.33 | EmleyMoor | duffmckagan: You can |
| 14:21.36 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, maybe i will download it, burn it to a disk, and then dpkg the xserver? |
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| 14:21.52 | martinja | Only problem I have with debian is that when mouse scroller is installed at restart it hangs up around the mouse initialisation |
| 14:21.56 | Sirlon | all im trying to do is access my flash stick, can anyone suggest how to do that |
| 14:21.57 | Sirlon | ? |
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| 14:22.13 | EmleyMoor | You do not need a GUI to access the Internet |
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| 14:22.28 | martinja | You can have text based internet :) |
| 14:22.34 | martinja | But I like Opera :) |
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| 14:22.40 | cddesjar | when i startx sometimes it hangs up right before loading xdm and the screen shows vertical colored lines |
| 14:22.51 | simonrvn | our street is closed to car traffic for a few days, and it's so nice not having to deal with their exhaust - it's quiet too |
| 14:23.13 | martinja | Where do you live? |
| 14:23.21 | receptor | sirlon: usb stick? do you have hotplug installed? |
| 14:23.27 | RichiH | why is amule in stable and unstable but not in testing? |
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| 14:23.38 | simonrvn | a street fest; just wish the city hall people would grow a brain and ban cars from downtown - at least |
| 14:23.44 | Sirlon | nope, shall i apt-get install hotplug? |
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| 14:23.51 | lilwade | ive always wanted to try that text based internet |
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| 14:23.58 | lilwade | just to see how it was actually |
| 14:24.01 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, ok, so now when i am on the internet, how do i update the version of xserver? so how do i do that? |
| 14:24.06 | bcole | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.10 | duffmckagan | what is the apt-get command for that? |
| 14:24.18 | receptor | sirlon, you must have kernel with hotplug support |
| 14:24.21 | simonrvn | lilwade: uh, what? |
| 14:24.23 | martinja | it is like yum |
| 14:24.33 | simonrvn | it's better than yum |
| 14:24.34 | sh4dowcat | duffmckagan: why are you trying to update the X server? |
| 14:24.34 | Sirlon | erm...ok....how can i get that? |
| 14:24.35 | martinja | ye |
| 14:24.39 | EmleyMoor | duffmckagan: Find an apt repository that has that version for woody, add it to your sources-list then apt-get the relevant parts |
| 14:24.43 | martinja | I allways had apt-get installed on fedora |
| 14:24.47 | Sirlon | or how do i know if ive got it? |
| 14:24.54 | sh4dowcat | yum < * |
| 14:24.56 | lilwade | hey do ya'll know, where sarges sources.list is located on Debians website, so i can add some sources to my list |
| 14:24.57 | sh4dowcat | apt > * |
| 14:25.00 | martinja | you allways have it with debian |
| 14:25.02 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, can i add it, in text mode? |
| 14:25.04 | green_earz | duffmckagan: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 14:25.05 | martinja | I think |
| 14:25.09 | EmleyMoor | sh4dowcat: He's trying to install woody from CDs (no access to sarge nor cheap Internet) but needs newer X |
| 14:25.11 | simonrvn | it's what yum tries to be, but fails miserably |
| 14:25.16 | EmleyMoor | duffmckagan: Yes |
| 14:25.18 | sh4dowcat | lilwade: apt-setup |
| 14:25.21 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, ok good.... |
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| 14:25.35 | resiak | lilwade: Use apt-setup |
| 14:25.37 | martinja | Konqueror is pretty sweet |
| 14:25.38 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, i think then i will have to update it isn't it.... |
| 14:25.38 | sh4dowcat | EmleyMoor: umm and he's looking for a "newer" X Server? |
| 14:25.45 | jair | hello guys |
| 14:25.46 | sh4dowcat | the stuff in Woody is ancient |
| 14:25.54 | lilwade | ok |
| 14:25.56 | sh4dowcat | go buy a Sarge cd if you need something new |
| 14:26.04 | jair | I am reading the rsync man page but I can really get it yet |
| 14:26.06 | EmleyMoor | sh4dowcat: He claims he needs X, old X is not suitable for his system |
| 14:26.10 | lilwade | thanks |
| 14:26.10 | receptor | sirlon, what kernel version you have? |
| 14:26.18 | Sirlon | kde 3.3 |
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| 14:26.29 | Sirlon | and i think i have hotplug |
| 14:26.30 | martinja | Does anyone have a good ntfs help tutorial for Debian? |
| 14:26.33 | EmleyMoor | sh4dowcat: Not sure he's anywhere near where he could buy one |
| 14:26.36 | Sirlon | if thats any help |
| 14:26.37 | Sirlon | .. |
| 14:26.40 | jair | I have two machines |
| 14:26.44 | sh4dowcat | EmleyMoor: he does realize that he's gonna have to replace 70% of the libraries in Woody anywhere right? |
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| 14:26.51 | jair | and they are in the same network |
| 14:26.56 | resiak | !tell martinja -about ntfs |
| 14:26.57 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, sh4dowcat if not update, then how should i get along with installing the version of Xserver? |
| 14:27.02 | martinja | cheers |
| 14:27.06 | receptor | not kde, kernel. run uname -r |
| 14:27.09 | jair | 192.168.1.1 and the other one 192.168.1.2 |
| 14:27.12 | cddesjar | anyone know why i can't make mrproper |
| 14:27.15 | cddesjar | or make menuconfig |
| 14:27.18 | sh4dowcat | duffmckagan: you order a Sarge cd and wait for it to arrive |
| 14:27.19 | duffmckagan | EmleyMoor, sh4dowcat , i mean, what would be the command to that?......apt-get install <what?> |
| 14:27.24 | Xuse | Does it really matter what version he has? You shouldn't be questioning that, just try and help him and if you can't well don't say anything. |
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| 14:27.26 | EmleyMoor | cddesjar: Where are you trying? |
| 14:27.26 | cddesjar | it's telling me no rule to make target |
| 14:27.30 | cddesjar | make mrproper |
| 14:27.30 | sh4dowcat | duffmckagan: you just don't get it |
| 14:27.33 | lilwade | this set up wont do anything with the current list i have right ??? just add to it |
| 14:27.34 | martinja | !tell martinja captiventfs |
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| 14:27.39 | cddesjar | i uncompressed my tarball |
| 14:27.45 | cddesjar | soft linked it to /usr/src/linux |
| 14:27.47 | sh4dowcat | duffmckagan: there is no "new" X server on the woody cds |
| 14:27.49 | EmleyMoor | cddesjar: cd into it |
| 14:27.50 | cddesjar | and cd to that directory |
| 14:27.53 | sh4dowcat | if you want "newer" software |
| 14:27.56 | martinja | !tell martinja -about captiventfs |
| 14:27.59 | Sirlon | ah ok...2.2.20-idepci |
| 14:28.01 | jair | I am trying to understand rsync anyone here can give me a hand? |
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| 14:28.02 | sh4dowcat | you either order a Sarge CD set |
| 14:28.03 | vezult | duffmckagan: what video card do you have again? |
| 14:28.03 | cddesjar | then typed make mrproper |
| 14:28.05 | sh4dowcat | or install from the net |
| 14:28.06 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm |
| 14:28.14 | sh4dowcat | the suff on the Woody CD sets is ancient |
| 14:28.15 | EmleyMoor | Check you did your link right |
| 14:28.16 | Xuse | duffmckagan which country do you live in? |
| 14:28.17 | duffmckagan | sh4dowcat, vezult, it is a S3 graphics pro savage DDR |
| 14:28.18 | sh4dowcat | and that isn't gonna change |
| 14:28.21 | duffmckagan | India! |
| 14:28.33 | Xuse | damn don't think i could send a cd there.. |
| 14:28.39 | duffmckagan | hmm! |
| 14:28.40 | duffmckagan | lol |
| 14:28.41 | receptor | hmm, thats a very old kernel series. im not sure if it supports hotplug |
| 14:28.46 | Sirlon | oi |
| 14:28.47 | Sirlon | ok |
| 14:29.01 | Sirlon | any suggestions? |
| 14:29.01 | wooden | ive installed and extracted the zaptel-source and edited the Makefile how to install this now correct?# |
| 14:29.07 | Rockret | when I make apt-get remove <something> .. linux will remove all files and check dependencies also ? |
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| 14:29.21 | resiak | duffmckagan: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#in |
| 14:29.23 | receptor | have you ever compiled or installed kernels? |
| 14:29.28 | stephen_ | Guys.. I need some serious help.. an apt-get dist-upgrade went horribly wrong |
| 14:29.28 | duffmckagan | i am browsing this site, searching for some reasonably good stuff! http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/savage.4.html |
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| 14:29.41 | Sirlon | erm...no sorry...im new to linux :( |
| 14:29.58 | resiak | Sirlon: Suggestions for what? |
| 14:30.02 | thingfish | Rockret: man apt-get, look at --purge. |
| 14:30.03 | martinja | damn, apt-get doesnt have captiventfs |
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| 14:30.15 | Sirlon | accessing a usb drive |
| 14:30.16 | resiak | !tell Sirlon -about real kernel |
| 14:30.19 | sh4dowcat | what are you trying to do? |
| 14:30.21 | resiak | Sirlon: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:30.22 | sh4dowcat | write to NTFS? |
| 14:30.24 | stephen_ | tympanoplasty: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_2.1.1' not found (required by /lib/libc.so.6) |
| 14:30.28 | Rockret | Hi stephen_ terrible action . I made and make big mess here |
| 14:30.42 | receptor | hmm, then i suggest you to find a linux geek because its difficult to explain such things on irc to a newbie |
| 14:30.44 | cddesjar | how do i check what it is symlinked to |
| 14:30.48 | cddesjar | ls -l |
| 14:30.56 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
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| 14:31.07 | EmleyMoor | (why particularly did you symlink it? |
| 14:31.09 | Sirlon | do what sory? |
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| 14:31.28 | vezult | duffmckagan: you are using XFree86 4.1, right? |
| 14:31.29 | resiak | Sirlon: Run that command. |
| 14:31.36 | cddesjar | wasn't i suppose to symlink it to /usr/src/linux? |
| 14:31.46 | cddesjar | i always have in the past |
| 14:31.57 | duffmckagan | vezult, i don't know what is the version of xfree86 that debian is shipped with |
| 14:32.00 | stephen_ | anyone any idea whats wrong? |
| 14:32.00 | Sirlon | it outputs 3.1 |
| 14:32.02 | stephen_ | tympanoplasty: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_2.1.1' not found (required by /lib/libc.so.6) |
| 14:32.02 | EmleyMoor | cddesjar: It's not a bad idea but not essential |
| 14:32.11 | jair | I need some help in the explanation of Rsync???? |
| 14:32.13 | jair | please |
| 14:32.14 | cddesjar | i guess i could just configure it in /usr/src/kernelname |
| 14:32.15 | stephen_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.23 | duffmckagan | vezult, wait....i will let you know, i wil find it |
| 14:32.23 | simonrvn | cddesjar: not needed. some folks recommend against it |
| 14:32.29 | lilwade | thanks for the help everyone |
| 14:32.30 | EmleyMoor | cddesjar: That would be the first thing to try |
| 14:32.44 | resiak | Sirlon: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 for starters |
| 14:32.44 | sh4dowcat | whatever woody shipped with |
| 14:32.46 | EmleyMoor | (don't add complexity unnecessarily) |
| 14:32.47 | sh4dowcat | it's freaking ancient |
| 14:32.51 | Sirlon | ok |
| 14:32.59 | sh4dowcat | hell the X Server in Sarge is two years old |
| 14:33.01 | resiak | Sirlon: Then reboot with that kernel. |
| 14:33.08 | resiak | sh4dowcat: With backports from X.org |
| 14:33.08 | simonrvn | stephen_: your libc6 install is fucked |
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| 14:33.12 | vezult | duffmckagan: type: apt-cache policy xserver-common |
| 14:33.23 | stephen_ | any idea how to repair it? |
| 14:33.24 | Sirlon | ok |
| 14:33.28 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 14:33.30 | cddesjar | ok i was able to make mrproper |
| 14:33.33 | cddesjar | but not make menuconfig |
| 14:33.33 | simonrvn | stephen_: yes. sec |
| 14:33.35 | vezult | duffmckagan: and tell me what version it says that package is |
| 14:33.37 | stephen_ | thanks.. |
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| 14:33.43 | cddesjar | where can i can paste this so someone can look at it |
| 14:33.48 | Sirlon | ok its working |
| 14:33.51 | sh4dowcat | when it does I'll upgrade to Etch |
| 14:33.53 | wintix | how do i reconfigure x windows? |
| 14:33.57 | duffmckagan | k |
| 14:34.03 | duffmckagan | but i ain't in debian right now! |
| 14:34.05 | wintix | dpkg --reconfigure or something? |
| 14:34.05 | resiak | !drxx wintix |
| 14:34.06 | dpkg | wintix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 14:34.15 | duffmckagan | vezult, i am using mepis right now! |
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| 14:34.24 | wintix | resiak: thx |
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| 14:34.36 | btsdev | hey... what's a good graphical cd burner? |
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| 14:34.44 | sh4dowcat | k3b |
| 14:34.46 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/docs/howto/howtofixlibc6.shtml -- ignore the version stuff, the general idea is there |
| 14:34.52 | simonrvn | stephen_: ^^^^ |
| 14:34.53 | stephen_ | thank you |
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| 14:34.59 | duffmckagan | vezult, aha i found the post, which i had submitted long back......should i give you the url? |
| 14:35.03 | EmleyMoor | btsdev: gcdmaster but it's not in Debian |
| 14:35.06 | martinja | kd3? |
| 14:35.08 | resiak | btsdev: gnome-baker |
| 14:35.09 | btsdev | sh4dowcat: thanks. |
| 14:35.13 | btsdev | thanks guys |
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| 14:35.46 | linnuxxy | does debian 3.1 have GUI installer?? |
| 14:35.47 | cddesjar | http://paste.lisp.org/display/9013 |
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| 14:35.50 | cddesjar | here is my error |
| 14:35.53 | duffmckagan | vezult, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=322036 |
| 14:35.53 | cddesjar | could someone take a look |
| 14:36.00 | cddesjar | i imagine it's cause i don't have the right package installed |
| 14:36.03 | paulswm | linnuxxy: no |
| 14:36.12 | vezult | duffmckagan: hmm. well anyway, i think it's 4.1, and 4.1 has a savage driver in it that supports at least one type of pro savage card |
| 14:36.17 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: no |
| 14:36.32 | linnuxxy | when will debian have one??? |
| 14:36.33 | simonrvn | linnuxxy: no, nor does it need one |
| 14:36.33 | vezult | duffmckagan: how are you sure that your card is not supported? |
| 14:36.40 | resiak | linnuxxy: Probably never. Why do you want one? |
| 14:36.47 | duffmckagan | vezult, try that link. that will give you the exact idea of my problem.....i have submitted it long back..... |
| 14:36.53 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: why, you can't install a machine without a mouse? |
| 14:37.11 | lvthn | Is it worth the investment to upgrade a computer from a 32 bits architecture to a 64 bits architecture?? ( is there a big difference in performance?) |
| 14:37.17 | simonrvn | click clack on the mouse buttons to install my OS |
| 14:37.20 | duffmckagan | vezult, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=322036 |
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| 14:37.21 | cddesjar | could anyone look at my paste? |
| 14:37.32 | linnuxxy | not only the mouse the hardware recognition is too bad also |
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| 14:37.34 | duffmckagan | vezult, try this out man, this will give you a better idea of my problem |
| 14:37.53 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: that's a whole load of bull |
| 14:38.22 | sh4dowcat | I have successfully installed Debian on an Acer Travelmate 661 laptop |
| 14:38.24 | cddesjar | http://paste.lisp.org/display/9013 |
| 14:38.24 | simonrvn | no, some folks just don't read docs when they need to |
| 14:38.24 | duffmckagan | vezult, are you reading it/ |
| 14:38.26 | duffmckagan | ?? |
| 14:38.26 | Sirlon | oops...its missing some packages so im just doing an apt-get update |
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| 14:38.27 | sh4dowcat | using only packages in the repository |
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| 14:38.30 | simonrvn | *hint* |
| 14:38.41 | linnuxxy | installing fc or mandrak is very easy .....but debian i couldnt install it |
| 14:39.03 | cddesjar | i like debian installation cause it's so minimal...i get to install exactly what i want |
| 14:39.07 | resiak | linnuxxy: Erm |
| 14:39.07 | EmleyMoor | You can teach a chicken to install Debian |
| 14:39.08 | wintix | where does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 write the config-file? |
| 14:39.08 | cddesjar | and apt-get is great |
| 14:39.13 | resiak | linnuxxy: The hardware detection is _awesome_. |
| 14:39.16 | hkdom | !install linuxxy |
| 14:39.16 | sh4dowcat | !tell linnuxxy about install debian |
| 14:39.25 | sh4dowcat | !tell linnuxxy about install guide |
| 14:39.29 | hkdom | !install linnuxxy |
| 14:39.32 | paulswm | EmleyMoor: Yeah, and they all come here for support :> |
| 14:39.35 | simonrvn | Linasa: well then, troll, you're just incompetent |
| 14:39.36 | hejux1 | hi |
| 14:39.42 | resiak | !paulswm++ |
| 14:39.43 | sh4dowcat | !tell linnuxxy about read |
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| 14:39.48 | simonrvn | Linasa: sorry, not you |
| 14:39.59 | websdale | linnuxxy: debian isn't a commercial distro - & doesn't have to pander to comsumerist fads |
| 14:39.59 | K_Dallas | Morning guys! I am a bit confused. I tried to change sudoers to add a user, I was also told to use visudo to edit it and either way, after adding _successfully_ the user to the list, on my next boot up, there is no sign of any user in the file except the root! Anyone could please let me know why and how to resolve the situation? Thanks |
| 14:40.00 | paulswm | resiak: :D |
| 14:40.11 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: yes and Mandrake has the stabliity of WinME |
| 14:40.16 | simonrvn | linnuxxy: well then, troll, you're just incompetent |
| 14:40.17 | idealbsd | cddesjar, libncurses5-dev installed? |
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| 14:40.33 | netman1 | wintix: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:40.35 | cddesjar | i don't know |
| 14:40.38 | cddesjar | how to do i check |
| 14:40.44 | linnuxxy | guys dont be so agrissive |
| 14:40.48 | wintix | netman1: but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 isn't changing it |
| 14:40.59 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: we're simply telling you to read the documentation |
| 14:41.00 | linnuxxy | u need to work harder to get debian pplar |
| 14:41.09 | vezult | duffmckagan: hmm. yeah, I read it. It looks as if your only good option is to upgrade :o( |
| 14:41.10 | simonrvn | oh no, the troll is asking us to not be aggressive when the troll started it |
| 14:41.18 | xoz | K_Dallas: what debian? |
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| 14:41.21 | RichiH | asking again: why is amule in stable and unstable but not in testing? me could not find hints on this :/ |
| 14:41.23 | K_Dallas | linnuxxy, use any OS that pleases you, that is what others are doing |
| 14:41.26 | jim | linnuxxy: look where you are.... how many people are here? |
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| 14:41.29 | K_Dallas | xoz, yes, sarge |
| 14:41.33 | lvthn | Is it worth the investment to upgrade a computer from a 32 bits architecture to a 64 bits architecture?? ( is there a big difference in performance?) |
| 14:41.34 | charlie | linnuxy: try debian by libranet libranet.com |
| 14:41.35 | K_Dallas | 2.6.8 |
| 14:41.36 | simonrvn | RichiH: because ;p |
| 14:41.36 | websdale | linuxxy:like anything else - you get out what you put in |
| 14:41.37 | cddesjar | it wasn't |
| 14:41.42 | cddesjar | maybe it was that |
| 14:41.47 | sh4dowcat | lvthn: stop repeating |
| 14:42.08 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: Linux is not an os where you learn by point click |
| 14:42.11 | linnuxxy | ok....what im saying is simpler installation is better......any1 disagree with this?? |
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| 14:42.22 | idealbsd | cddesjar, just use dselect to find kernel-source-2.xxx and select one then the needed packages will be installed |
| 14:42.23 | sh4dowcat | if you do not want to read the documentation then go back to Windows |
| 14:42.25 | hkdom | just stay with fc and mandr then |
| 14:42.27 | xoz | K_Dallas: filesystem? reiser, ext3? |
| 14:42.35 | cddesjar | it worked ideal! |
| 14:42.35 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: the installer is simple enough |
| 14:42.35 | K_Dallas | reiser |
| 14:42.35 | netman1 | wintix: delete it, or better rename it, and run dpkg-reconf again. |
| 14:42.37 | cddesjar | great thanks! |
| 14:42.37 | paulswm | linnuxxy: curses based installers are simple. |
| 14:42.38 | EmleyMoor | "Simpler" installation breaks worse when it does go wrong |
| 14:42.43 | simonrvn | lvthn: do more research first. if you're asking that, then you have no clue. do some research on the pros and cons of 64 bit |
| 14:42.46 | resiak | linnuxxy: And you think that Fedora's installer is simpler than Sarge's? |
| 14:42.53 | lvthn | ok |
| 14:42.56 | simonrvn | and they don't break so easily |
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| 14:43.02 | linnuxxy | im talking abt the harware detection |
| 14:43.04 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: it's not our fault you don't understand what /dev/hda1 means |
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| 14:43.16 | paulswm | lvthn: Also, it depends on the intende use of the particular installation. |
| 14:43.16 | duffmckagan | vezult, hmm........plz! |
| 14:43.18 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: and the hardware detection is fine |
| 14:43.28 | sh4dowcat | Linux isn't plug and play |
| 14:43.30 | wintix | netman1: doesnt work. it doesnt write the config-file |
| 14:43.33 | sh4dowcat | it never claimed to be |
| 14:43.40 | resiak | sh4dowcat: Erm, what? |
| 14:43.47 | linnuxxy | keep telling this and bill gates will win war |
| 14:43.51 | netman1 | wintix: you _do_ run dpkg-reconf as root, do you? |
| 14:43.56 | sh4dowcat | resiak: not in the Windows sense at least |
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| 14:44.07 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: instead of whining |
| 14:44.07 | wintix | netman1: yep. |
| 14:44.13 | sh4dowcat | why not helping us make a better debian? |
| 14:44.22 | charlie | sh4dowcat: not plug n play? |
| 14:44.26 | xoz | K_Dallas: possible that reiser recalls the previous journal. make sure that the shutdown umounts correctly your filesystem. |
| 14:44.35 | jim | linnuxxy: please stop being a troll... have you actually tried to install it? |
| 14:44.39 | resiak | sh4dowcat: Erm, I plug in my firewire disk, it mounts and pops up. I change the mobo and soundcard on my desktop, boot up, bamm! it works. |
| 14:44.40 | xiptos | Hi all! Does anyone knows of a query (dpkg, apt or aptitude) to list all the installed packages coming from the same repository? |
| 14:44.44 | netman1 | wintix: Hmm, I would remove the xserver with apt-get remove -purge and start over. |
| 14:44.47 | linnuxxy | yes 2 times |
| 14:44.49 | MoDaX | sh4dowcat: well, hotplug & hal & dbus & 2.6.x kernel provide functionality which we could call plug&play |
| 14:44.51 | sh4dowcat | charlie, resiak: as in fancy box, click next |
| 14:44.59 | K_Dallas | xoz, i will look at it but i did it on my sarge before freshinstalling the stable one and it worked just fine! |
| 14:45.05 | sh4dowcat | I should have said Windows Style Plug and Play |
| 14:45.11 | jim | linnuxxy: which version? |
| 14:45.12 | resiak | sh4dowcat: You mean "not working", then? |
| 14:45.16 | linnuxxy | 3.0 |
| 14:45.20 | sh4dowcat | resiak: that too |
| 14:45.20 | simonrvn | linnuxxy: win war? what? you make vague claims of h/w detection not working, not explaining what's wrong, then you claim linux kernel and OSes based on it are at war with winbloze... wtf is your problem? |
| 14:45.26 | jim | try 3.1 |
| 14:45.27 | stephen_ | tympanoplasty: that didnt work.. |
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| 14:45.34 | stephen_ | simonrvn: that didnt work |
| 14:45.35 | simonrvn | dude, grow up |
| 14:45.42 | wintix | netman1: doing so. mom. |
| 14:45.49 | resiak | sh4dowcat: Isn't it better that it just works, rather than needing clicky stuff. |
| 14:45.51 | stephen_ | its saying dpkg needs libc |
| 14:45.53 | sh4dowcat | simonrvn: he's a classic case of "I want to run Linux to be 1337, but I refuse to read the documentaiton" |
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| 14:45.56 | simonrvn | stephen_: um, it should. i've done it a few times since i wrote that |
| 14:45.59 | netman1 | wintix: ;-) all kids will learn |
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| 14:46.04 | c0al | Wow. I suggest every one does 'apt-get install pong2' |
| 14:46.05 | jim | btw, you're right about the 3.0 installer; there's little or no hardware detection and it is fairly hard to install |
| 14:46.05 | linnuxxy | its not me only |
| 14:46.07 | hejux1 | i installed debian sarge base-system and edited the source.list ,the how to install X ? |
| 14:46.07 | stephen_ | yeah.. but dpkg wont work |
| 14:46.08 | c0al | Opengl pong, baby! |
| 14:46.08 | sh4dowcat | resiak: you'll get to argument from me there |
| 14:46.17 | jim | linnuxxy: try 3.1 |
| 14:46.19 | linnuxxy | no1 of my friends is using debian |
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| 14:46.23 | stephen_ | simonrvn: dpkg wont work without libc |
| 14:46.24 | hejux1 | apt-get install XXXX ? |
| 14:46.25 | simonrvn | stephen_: you only use dpkg *after*, to reinstall it |
| 14:46.30 | linnuxxy | jim:why |
| 14:46.30 | hejux1 | what are needed |
| 14:46.30 | RichiH | simonrvn: great answer :p |
| 14:46.32 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: quit whining |
| 14:46.40 | sh4dowcat | we're here to help people with debian |
| 14:46.44 | sh4dowcat | not listen to you whine about it |
| 14:46.44 | simonrvn | stephen_: you first have to unpack the proper version of the libc6 deb |
| 14:46.44 | vezult | duffmckagan: add this to your /etc/sources.list file: deb ftp://boisson.homeip.net/XFree4.3/ ./ |
| 14:46.52 | sh4dowcat | either try 3.1 |
| 14:46.59 | hejux1 | anyone could help |
| 14:46.59 | MoDaX | resiak: it works if drivers are provided by linux kernel itself. otherwise, it fails |
| 14:47.02 | mwilson | jim: Since when was Woody hard to install? |
| 14:47.05 | sh4dowcat | or quit whining about how 3.0 didn't meet your expectations |
| 14:47.06 | RichiH | since the upgrade of sid, /me is also missing /var/cache/locate/locatedb and an updatedb does not get it, either.. strange day, today |
| 14:47.08 | jim | linnuxxy: to see how different it is... then if you still don't like it, you can say why |
| 14:47.10 | simonrvn | stephen_: the steps are important |
| 14:47.11 | vezult | duffmckagan: then, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 14:47.12 | resiak | MoDaX: So you buy good hardware. :) |
| 14:47.15 | charlie | linnuxxy: I ahve libranet built on debian installed on several machines with no hardware issues. K6II K7 p4 |
| 14:47.17 | sh4dowcat | mwilson: Woody isn't hard to isntall |
| 14:47.23 | sh4dowcat | mwilson: it's just old |
| 14:47.25 | resiak | mwilson: It's harder than Sarge. |
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| 14:47.31 | takatumi | duffmckagan: what version of debian are you on now? |
| 14:47.32 | mwilson | sh4dowcat: Did I ask you? |
| 14:47.33 | paulswm | linnuxxy: It's not a war, no-one really gives a shit about what OS you and your friends use really. |
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| 14:47.41 | jim | mwilson: boot-floppies was horrible in so many ways... not the least of which, to maintain |
| 14:47.42 | MoDaX | resiak: I do. but other users don't care |
| 14:47.43 | vezult | duffmckagan: that's a version of xfree 4.3 packaged for woody |
| 14:47.47 | netman1 | hejux1: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:47.50 | resiak | MoDaX: Well, wahtever. |
| 14:47.51 | simonrvn | woody is less of a PITA to use the floppies as a rescue medium |
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| 14:48.05 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 14:48.09 | resiak | !faq hejux1 |
| 14:48.09 | dpkg | hejux1: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:48.11 | jim | mwilson: you don't think sarge install is an improvement? |
| 14:48.16 | EmleyMoor | simonrvn: Isn't it just! |
| 14:48.17 | simonrvn | sarge's is ok, just takes longer |
| 14:48.23 | mwilson | jim: Not particularly. |
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| 14:48.35 | c0al | simonrvn, for a second, i was like, PITA? what does those animal people have to do with linux??? |
| 14:48.42 | simonrvn | heh |
| 14:48.44 | sh4dowcat | the Sarge installer is a big improvement over the Woody installer |
| 14:48.46 | stephen_ | simonrvn: doh just realised i need to be on front of the machine |
| 14:48.48 | simonrvn | PETA, not PITA ;) |
| 14:48.54 | linnuxxy | guys i love debian.....i heard alot of great things abt it...how stable and reliable |
| 14:48.54 | c0al | hehe, ya ;) |
| 14:48.58 | EmleyMoor | Rescue trouble was what kept this machine down for 18 hours for what should have been a 2-hour job |
| 14:48.58 | simonrvn | stephen_: that would help ;) |
| 14:49.08 | vezult | simonrvn: they're a PITA too ;o) |
| 14:49.10 | duffmckagan | vezult, takatumi sorry guys, i went away for some tiem |
| 14:49.12 | linnuxxy | and most of all is the real open linux |
| 14:49.15 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: then read the documentation on how to install it properly |
| 14:49.22 | sh4dowcat | because we're not going to tutor you |
| 14:49.28 | sh4dowcat | I gave you the links 20 min ago |
| 14:49.33 | sh4dowcat | go there and read |
| 14:49.37 | K_Dallas | oh man! hejux1 is back again, is it the same knoppix guy? |
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| 14:49.45 | mwilson | K_Dallas: Yes. |
| 14:49.50 | zakame | cool |
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| 14:49.53 | K_Dallas | i will be damned |
| 14:49.56 | simonrvn | c0al: i was part of a group several years ago called PETAS. some folks got confused by that, but then they realised we weren't PETA =) |
| 14:49.59 | hejux1 | cannt open url http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:50.16 | hejux1 | K_Dallas: NO knoppix |
| 14:50.18 | linnuxxy | i didnt need to read the docs to install fc2....which was my 1st linux |
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| 14:50.21 | jim | linnuxxy: go try, and then tell us... but dont' complain too much: neither 3.0 nor 3.1 is going to change |
| 14:50.22 | c0al | simonrvn, haha. what did PETAS stand for? |
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| 14:50.28 | resiak | linnuxxy: I didn't read the docs to install Sarge. |
| 14:50.32 | mwilson | linnuxxy: Then go run FC3. |
| 14:50.34 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 14:50.35 | resiak | hejux1: Worksforme. |
| 14:50.35 | hejux1 | already deleted |
| 14:50.43 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: if you don't want to read |
| 14:50.46 | sh4dowcat | then go back to Windows |
| 14:50.49 | sh4dowcat | because I assure you |
| 14:50.49 | simonrvn | people something against the system |
| 14:50.49 | jim | Pain-Ending Trees Are Sweet? |
| 14:50.52 | sh4dowcat | you're gonna have to read |
| 14:50.54 | linnuxxy | i am |
| 14:50.55 | magyar | ahoy |
| 14:50.55 | ribnitz | testing now resloves to etch, doesnt it? |
| 14:50.58 | resiak | ribnitz: Yes. |
| 14:51.05 | sh4dowcat | try installing something outside of up2date in Fedora Core 3 |
| 14:51.06 | paulswm | I'm done with linnuxxy, it's just a troll. |
| 14:51.07 | vezult | ribnitz: yes |
| 14:51.15 | jim | ribnitz: it should by now |
| 14:51.16 | magyar | anyone using postfix? |
| 14:51.19 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 14:51.19 | sh4dowcat | and see if you can get by using point click |
| 14:51.20 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 14:51.34 | sh4dowcat | $100 says you won't even know what to do if I kill the X Server on your machine |
| 14:51.36 | jim | postfix? you mean like 1 2 + 3 4 + *? |
| 14:51.44 | simonrvn | paulswm: of course he's a troll |
| 14:51.57 | ribnitz | so systems that run sarge should have their references changed from testing to sarge, right? |
| 14:51.58 | hejux1 | resiak? |
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| 14:52.05 | sh4dowcat | ribnitz: yes |
| 14:52.07 | magyar | is there a way to selectivley configure "maildir" and "mailbox" for users on ine system |
| 14:52.08 | simonrvn | ribnitz: or stable |
| 14:52.13 | sh4dowcat | unless yo uwant to go onto etch |
| 14:52.18 | sh4dowcat | you* |
| 14:52.23 | duffmckagan | vezult, ok so from the post, it is clear that woody ships with 4.1 version and the needed one is 4.3 |
| 14:52.32 | paulswm | simonrvn: I was kind of trying to drop a hint :) |
| 14:52.37 | resiak | hejux1? |
| 14:52.38 | duffmckagan | vezult, currently,i am not on dEbain......i am using mepis |
| 14:52.46 | sh4dowcat | duffmckagan: if you want 4.3 |
| 14:52.49 | sh4dowcat | you should get Sarge |
| 14:52.53 | jim | I am also done with him... I knew he was a troll before I started responding (I did a /lastlog) |
| 14:52.56 | resiak | !mepis |
| 14:52.56 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 14:53.08 | ribnitz | simonrvn: when testing goes stable, stable goes oldstable, and oldstable vanishes. however when etch goes stable, sarge wont care.. |
| 14:53.08 | takatumi | duffmckagan: and it still doesn't start? |
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| 14:53.17 | Frafra | hi all. how to transfer files from pc to tel.? |
| 14:53.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | tel? |
| 14:53.30 | sh4dowcat | ribnitz: heh etch goes stable |
| 14:53.33 | hejux1 | except xserver-xfree86 any other needed |
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| 14:53.36 | duffmckagan | takatumi, no man, mepis works fine......i have problems with debian woody |
| 14:53.43 | sh4dowcat | ribnitz: that's what, two years from now? |
| 14:53.49 | sh4dowcat | duffmckagan: no shit |
| 14:53.54 | sh4dowcat | you need debian sarge |
| 14:53.58 | sh4dowcat | get that through your thick head |
| 14:54.05 | sh4dowcat | you've been going on about this for 30 min now |
| 14:54.07 | takatumi | duffmckagan: either stick with mepis or try sarge. forget about woody. |
| 14:54.11 | ribnitz | sh4dowcat: just an example. you can also replace by oher release names. |
| 14:54.12 | linnuxxy | sorry guys |
| 14:54.17 | EmleyMoor | etch goes stable when it's time |
| 14:54.17 | duffmckagan | sh4dowcat, ok man, sorry! |
| 14:54.18 | jim | Frafra: more details |
| 14:54.19 | Escher | i'm back.....i've installed the linux26 kernel from the netistall cd and everything went fine but i couldn't set up correctly the network setup, that means i can't configure my adsl connection at all |
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| 14:54.26 | linnuxxy | didnt meant to get u angry |
| 14:54.29 | jim | linnuxxy: go try 3.1 |
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| 14:54.37 | Frafra | jim: i've installed bluez* and gnome-bluetooth |
| 14:54.45 | linnuxxy | i will |
| 14:54.46 | sh4dowcat | why is it that you have to insult someone in here before they follow your advice? |
| 14:55.05 | cddesjar | anyone know a good box for someone who is quite familiar with linux but unfamiliar with debian so that i don't have to ask questions that i can easily look up on my onw |
| 14:55.10 | Escher | is there any good man out there willing to kelp me? |
| 14:55.11 | cddesjar | book/box |
| 14:55.13 | Loevborg | q: is there a way to route one program's network traffic through a vpn, while making sure other connections don't use it? |
| 14:55.13 | Frafra | i don't know what i must write in the shell for transfer it |
| 14:55.22 | EmleyMoor | kelp? |
| 14:55.28 | Escher | help even |
| 14:55.32 | jim | linnuxxy: 3.1's installer is VERY different, and has hooks for gui install down the road |
| 14:55.33 | hejux1 | resiak worksforyou ? |
| 14:55.34 | websdale | Escher:what exactly is the problem - driver for modem? |
| 14:55.41 | resiak | !faq hejux1 |
| 14:55.41 | dpkg | hejux1: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:55.44 | resiak | hejux1: That url works for me. |
| 14:55.46 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: how's this |
| 14:55.46 | vezult | Escher: ask. details. |
| 14:55.58 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: either shut up and try 3.1 |
| 14:56.00 | Escher | web: no, i've just installed Debian sarge from the netinstall |
| 14:56.06 | duffmckagan | takatumi, vezult, EmleyMoor , drac , thanks for all your help guys........ |
| 14:56.08 | sh4dowcat | linnuxxy: or quit whining about how 3.0 sucks |
| 14:56.08 | idealbsd | cddesjar, debian-reference |
| 14:56.15 | linnuxxy | jim:thank u |
| 14:56.19 | EmleyMoor | I didn't think you wanted seaweeding, Escher |
| 14:56.21 | hejux1 | can't open it |
| 14:56.22 | Escher | but when he checked for my ethernet card he found two of then |
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| 14:56.25 | duffmckagan | sh4dowcat, and yes, you too |
| 14:56.27 | duffmckagan | lol |
| 14:56.31 | takatumi | duffmckagan: what kind of modem do you have? |
| 14:56.34 | linnuxxy | sh4dowcat: f u |
| 14:56.36 | jim | either way quit whining abotu 3.0... it's yesterday's petunias! :) |
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| 14:56.59 | Sirlon | OK im back again after installing the new hernel...what should i do now for my flash usb? |
| 14:57.08 | idealbsd | cddesjar, apt-cache search debian-reference then install one |
| 14:57.12 | sh4dowcat | Sirlon: are you on 2.6? |
| 14:57.22 | websdale | Escher: yes,but what exactly is the problem you have ? details are needed |
| 14:57.22 | Sirlon | how can i tell? |
| 14:57.29 | sh4dowcat | Sirlon: uname -a |
| 14:57.32 | MoDaX | Sirlon: uname -r |
| 14:57.33 | vezult | Sirlon: uname -a |
| 14:57.33 | Escher | i told the system to pick up the first one (the nvidia nforce) but i got an error trying to set up the DHPC |
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| 14:57.54 | netman1 | Escher: then it was probably the other one ;-) |
| 14:58.00 | Sirlon | 2.2.20idepin |
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| 14:58.08 | sh4dowcat | Sirlon: wtf? |
| 14:58.12 | jim | Frafra: ok, and? |
| 14:58.13 | sh4dowcat | you're on woody |
| 14:58.15 | Escher | netman1: yeah the fireware (or whatever) one |
| 14:58.24 | sh4dowcat | Sirlon: upgrade to sarge |
| 14:58.25 | Sirlon | sory 2.2.20-idepci |
| 14:58.35 | dvs | Sirlon: You're still on Woody |
| 14:58.35 | Escher | what should i do now in order to install the right one? |
| 14:58.35 | simonrvn | don't people update their systems? sheesh |
| 14:58.36 | Sirlon | thats it |
| 14:58.42 | Langly1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.47 | Frafra | jim: i don't know how transfer the file |
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| 14:58.51 | K_Dallas | xoz, i am going to paste in #flood the result of this search: grep -R sudoers /etc |
| 14:58.54 | sh4dowcat | simonrvn: it's called "I refuse to read the upgrade guide" |
| 14:59.07 | netman1 | Escher: modify /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:59.18 | Sirlon | yeh thats what im attempting to do but im trying to back up any files with my flash usb first |
| 14:59.21 | jim | Frafra: so you have a file and you want to transfer it... to who? to what? |
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| 14:59.34 | netman1 | Escher: run an ifconfig -a first to see which interfaces you have |
| 14:59.34 | xoz | K_Dallas: it is in /etc/sudoers |
| 14:59.35 | sh4dowcat | Sirlon: you don't get it do you |
| 14:59.37 | Frafra | jim: from pc to telephone |
| 14:59.40 | jim | Frafra: there are many ways |
| 14:59.42 | Sirlon | no sorry |
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| 14:59.46 | sh4dowcat | a 2.2 kernel is NOT going to recognize your usb stick |
| 14:59.50 | Frafra | jim: from shell |
| 14:59.51 | Sirlon | ok |
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| 14:59.59 | Escher | netma1: i'm new to linux so i'm having an hard time to set up everything from the base system configuration |
| 14:59.59 | MoDaX | Sirlon: you won't be able mount your usb flash drive with 2.2.x kernel, because it's extremely old |
| 15:00.00 | Sirlon | ... |
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| 15:00.02 | sh4dowcat | to recognize your USB stick you need to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 15:00.04 | vezult | Sirlon: you'll have to compile a kernel to get the support you nead, i believe |
| 15:00.07 | jim | Frafra: to telephone? I don't understand... why? |
| 15:00.15 | sh4dowcat | and to do that you need Sarge |
| 15:00.19 | dvs | Sirlon: Which is impossible for Woody |
| 15:00.20 | Escher | netman: maybe i could reran the installation? |
| 15:00.21 | Sirlon | oh ok |
| 15:00.33 | Sirlon | so i need to get sarge? |
| 15:00.39 | websdale | Escher:did you used to connect to your ISP before with the same machine/network card combination? |
| 15:00.40 | dvs | !clue Sirlon |
| 15:00.41 | billy | :) |
| 15:00.43 | hejux1 | :( |
| 15:00.48 | netman1 | Escher: overkill. Open a terminal and run "ifconfig -a" |
| 15:00.50 | vezult | Sirlon: that would proabably be easiest |
| 15:00.55 | sh4dowcat | Sirlon: get a clue already |
| 15:00.56 | Frafra | jim: a portable thelephone, a mobile |
| 15:01.02 | simonrvn | "sunday comes early to #debian, while the regulars wonder why" |
| 15:01.10 | Sirlon | got it... |
| 15:01.16 | Escher | websdale: yeah with winXP (as i'm doing right now) |
| 15:01.18 | Sirlon | ok...how do i get sarge then? |
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| 15:01.24 | dvs | !d-i Sirlon |
| 15:01.25 | dpkg | Sirlon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:01.31 | jim | Frafra: so the phone is the -destination-? the file is ring tones or something? |
| 15:01.40 | srg | frustrating that sarge dosen't ship with a kernel optimised for amd k6-2 - having to compile one now :-( |
| 15:01.40 | sh4dowcat | Sirlon: read the upgrade guide on debian.org |
| 15:01.41 | K_Dallas | xoz, so there is nothing unusual there |
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| 15:01.44 | websdale | Escher:oh good - so you know it works then:) |
| 15:01.48 | Sirlon | ok |
| 15:01.49 | jim | you might need a specific program for that |
| 15:01.51 | vezult | Sirlon: change your /etc/apt/sources.list so that all the places it says "woody", it now says "sarge" |
| 15:02.04 | xoz | K_Dallas: dpsycho is f**king your visudo |
| 15:02.06 | Frafra | jim: yes, to the mobile. i must transfer image |
| 15:02.06 | Sirlon | er...ok |
| 15:02.15 | vezult | Sirlon: then type: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:02.20 | Escher | websdale: yeah if just i could get it working with debian now i would be happy :) |
| 15:02.30 | Sirlon | ok |
| 15:02.36 | jim | Frafra: a photograph you took with the phone? |
| 15:02.39 | K_Dallas | xoz, what is it and why do i have it? |
| 15:02.46 | MoDaX | vezult: no. he needs to upgrade apt-get first |
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| 15:02.54 | Frafra | jim: yes |
| 15:03.10 | xoz | !dpsyco |
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| 15:03.18 | netman1 | Escher: and? What interfaces do you see? |
| 15:03.24 | xoz | K_Dallas: apt-cache show dpsycho |
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| 15:03.40 | jim | Frafra: I'm not sure. what kind of phone exactly? |
| 15:03.40 | xoz | K_Dallas: apt-cache show dpsyco |
| 15:03.44 | websdale | Escher: did you do as netman1 said & open a terminal as root or do su in a terminal & do "ifconfig -a " ? |
| 15:03.49 | K_Dallas | xoz, didnt find anything |
| 15:03.50 | debian-fans | hi |
| 15:03.51 | n3x | Does anyone use Linux with a Canon Digital Camera.. Need to know what FS the card uses |
| 15:03.56 | Escher | moreover, i installed GRUB on the hda (my IDE HD) and linux corectly found WinXP on the sda (my SATA hd) but i couldn't boot from GRUB in winxp |
| 15:04.01 | Frafra | jim: i want transfer a file from pc to mobile |
| 15:04.04 | xoz | K_Dallas: remove h in dpsycho |
| 15:04.06 | Frafra | by bluetooth usb |
| 15:04.07 | Escher | is that because i haven't mounted the sda? |
| 15:04.10 | K_Dallas | oh :) |
| 15:04.16 | netman1 | Escher: 1 thing at the time. |
| 15:04.24 | simonrvn | you know /sbin/ifconfig -a is equivalent... no need to su to see that stuff |
| 15:04.40 | jim | Frafra: what kind of phone is it? make/model? |
| 15:04.40 | Frafra | jim: nokia 7610 |
| 15:04.43 | xoz | K_Dallas: its a configuration management on top of the debian configuration. |
| 15:04.44 | Frafra | symbian |
| 15:04.55 | K_Dallas | i see, do i really need it? |
| 15:04.57 | websdale | simonrvn:I hadn't thought of that :) |
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| 15:05.23 | Sirlon | ok my sources.list now looks like this |
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| 15:05.27 | Sirlon | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 15:05.27 | Sirlon | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 15:05.27 | Sirlon | deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 15:05.27 | Sirlon | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
| 15:05.27 | Sirlon | deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
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| 15:05.28 | xoz | K_Dallas: running in one machine... overkill |
| 15:05.31 | n3x | eeek |
| 15:05.34 | simonrvn | ... |
| 15:05.34 | sh4dowcat | sigh |
| 15:05.35 | K_Dallas | xoz, and most importantly if i remove it would it mess more my system? |
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| 15:05.49 | srg | you can remove the non-US bits for a start :-) |
| 15:05.54 | simonrvn | no wonder it's fucked |
| 15:05.56 | n3x | he got kicked |
| 15:05.58 | K_Dallas | it is a home desktop, no server |
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| 15:06.04 | n3x | Testing and Stable eh |
| 15:06.12 | xoz | K_Dallas: no as long as the removal script will not bork |
| 15:06.29 | K_Dallas | great, let me try that then. appreciate your time and help |
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| 15:08.59 | destiny | Hi, so, I mount an old hard disk, I mount a partition on this hard disk, I type in cp -r /old /new. There is 30GB, and there is no sound coming from the box, but the prompt is hanging. Its been about 5-10 minutes. Is there a way to find out whether this is working? |
| 15:09.01 | jim | one way to transfer files to the nokia seems to be via a CF card |
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| 15:09.11 | EmleyMoor | I've proved the sound circuit on my new motherboard working now - but would appreciate some guidance as to what the labels on the settings in alsamixergui mean - can anyone advise on some of the more obsure ones? |
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| 15:10.01 | cddesjar | how do i start CUPS |
| 15:10.04 | hippie | destiny: open another terminal and peek in /new? |
| 15:10.16 | destiny | hippie good idea, great, thanks./ |
| 15:10.21 | vox | EmleyMoor: such as? |
| 15:10.27 | EmleyMoor | cddesjar: /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 15:10.31 | cddesjar | /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 15:10.32 | cddesjar | lol |
| 15:10.33 | cddesjar | ok |
| 15:10.35 | EmleyMoor | vox: LFE? |
| 15:10.41 | paulswm | hippie: *sigh* :) |
| 15:10.44 | cddesjar | do i need to make cupsys executable |
| 15:10.48 | cddesjar | before? |
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| 15:10.53 | cddesjar | chmod a+x cupsys |
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| 15:10.55 | cddesjar | probably huh? |
| 15:11.06 | EmleyMoor | cddesjar: How did you install cups? |
| 15:11.07 | K_Dallas | xoz, i am seeing: dpsyco, dpsyco-base/lib/patch/skel/ and dpsyco-sudo. should i remove them all? |
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| 15:11.12 | cddesjar | apt-get install cups |
| 15:11.16 | adaran | if i use grub as my bootmanager, is there any restriction on the partitions i can use to install debian on (do they need to be in sectors <1024? ) |
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| 15:11.21 | jim | as far as bluetooth, I came up with this... http://www.caside.lancs.ac.uk/java_bt.php |
| 15:11.22 | cddesjar | and apt-get install cupsys |
| 15:11.26 | EmleyMoor | cddesjar: It should all be done already in that case |
| 15:11.33 | cddesjar | ok |
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| 15:12.08 | debian-fans | ? |
| 15:12.10 | EmleyMoor | vox: LFE, IEC598, Capture... |
| 15:12.12 | xoz | K_Dallas: apt-get --purge remove dpsyco* |
| 15:12.20 | Kraig | i'm gettin 404 from http://non-US.debian.org unstable/non-US/main Packages while updating |
| 15:12.20 | EmleyMoor | IEC958 rather |
| 15:12.21 | K_Dallas | excellent :) thanks again |
| 15:12.36 | EmleyMoor | VIA DXS |
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| 15:12.46 | cahoot | EmleyMoor: this might help some http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=SBliveMixerControls |
| 15:13.30 | simonrvn | Kraig: yes. non-us is no more |
| 15:13.40 | simonrvn | non-us is merged into main |
| 15:13.46 | Kraig | oh, nice... |
| 15:13.51 | tim_h_ | N/topic |
| 15:13.53 | tim_h_ | oops |
| 15:14.02 | EmleyMoor | Ah, LFE is the .1 channel |
| 15:14.08 | EmleyMoor | I'm firmly 2 channels here |
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| 15:14.46 | EmleyMoor | IEC958 = digital - which I haven't got |
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| 15:15.24 | cddesjar | is there a rpm2targz program for debian |
| 15:15.33 | cddesjar | and what is it called so that i can install it with apt-get |
| 15:15.35 | simonrvn | use alien |
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| 15:15.37 | K_Dallas | cddesjar, there is always alien |
| 15:15.45 | cddesjar | how does that work |
| 15:15.52 | jim | cddesjar: pretty good! |
| 15:15.52 | cartman | anyone knows experimental/unstable cd images somewhere? |
| 15:15.54 | DoppelGanger | rtm |
| 15:15.55 | cddesjar | if i want to change a rpm file to .tar.gz |
| 15:15.58 | cddesjar | lol |
| 15:15.58 | tim_h_ | firefox from sarge hangs up while printing (on google f.e.). anybody else is having this problem? |
| 15:16.04 | destiny | I am getting an error about locales from aptitude. says, perl warning: please check your locale settings, bla bla, are supported and instlaled. perl warning: falling back to the std local("C") but it does install the program I tell it to. Should I worry? |
| 15:16.11 | DoppelGanger | cddesjar: why not just go get the source code the easy way |
| 15:16.13 | destiny | I just installed sarge, btw. |
| 15:16.28 | cddesjar | i am trying to install a lexmark printer driver |
| 15:16.29 | jim | cddesjar: alien can change between different package types |
| 15:16.39 | cddesjar | that only comes in the rpm flavor |
| 15:16.46 | simonrvn | destiny: ignore for now. just means you have no default locale |
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| 15:16.54 | simonrvn | or any for that matter |
| 15:16.56 | jim | cddesjar: alien it to a .deb |
| 15:17.04 | destiny | simonrvn ok, thank you. |
| 15:17.07 | dvs | cddesjar: yeah, what's wrong with a deb? |
| 15:17.07 | jim | since you're running debian :) |
| 15:17.12 | Guerin | cartman: they don't and never will exist. |
| 15:17.23 | cartman | Guerin: unofficial ones did exist |
| 15:17.30 | cartman | Guerin: I am sure I saw them |
| 15:17.47 | Guerin | cartman: we don't recommend unoffical cds in #debian on irc.debian.org |
| 15:18.01 | cartman | Guerin: giving info != recommending |
| 15:18.04 | Guerin | cartman: just install sarge and upgrade, if you must. |
| 15:18.18 | cddesjar | it gave me an error |
| 15:18.19 | cddesjar | http://paste.lisp.org/display/9017 |
| 15:18.23 | paulswm | adaran: That's a function of your BIOS< if you have a relatively bios you should have no problem with the 1024 cylinder limit. Try it by creating a small /boot partition above the limit - if it works, great, if it doesn't, the only requirement is that /boot should be below the 1024 cylinder limit. |
| 15:18.35 | paulswm | s/relaatively/relatively new/ |
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| 15:19.05 | cddesjar | does that mean i need to install those programs as well ldconfig, start-stop-daemon and so on |
| 15:19.25 | Ermak | hy guys, I have a big problem with debian unstable and installation of gnome |
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| 15:19.59 | jim | Ermak: then don't run unstable |
| 15:20.16 | paulswm | Ermak: it's becuase it's unstable. Stuff breaks. You're stuck with it unless you can fix it yourslef. |
| 15:20.29 | jim | if you have to try to get help from people, you're not running the right thing for you |
| 15:20.33 | destiny | When you do a minimal CD install, is there a metapackage to install for gnome? |
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| 15:21.10 | Ermak | I used gnome unstable until yesterday |
| 15:21.15 | destiny | well, basically, regardless of the minimal CD, actually, I just need a standard gnome metapackage. |
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| 15:21.28 | resiak | destiny: apt-get install gnome ? |
| 15:21.31 | Ermak | today problems: nautilus doesn't install |
| 15:21.35 | jim | Ermak: so it broke today? what did you do? |
| 15:21.38 | destiny | resiak ok. |
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| 15:21.46 | Ermak | and gnome-core depend to nautilus |
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| 15:22.03 | jim | Ermak: try sarge |
| 15:22.11 | Ermak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.14 | jim | Ermak: sarge is supported here |
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| 15:22.17 | Ermak | that's my problem |
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| 15:22.29 | Ermak | ah ok |
| 15:22.34 | cddesjar | how do install a package with aptitude? |
| 15:22.36 | paulswm | Ermak: that happens from time to time with unstable, which is why all the advice is to use stable or testing unless you are prepared for things to break |
| 15:22.47 | jim | Ermak: from what I've been able to gather, sid/unstable is NOT |
| 15:22.56 | abel | hi all i have just add a floppy drive to my debian putter how can i make it appears in /dev and works |
| 15:23.27 | ilona | i installed mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de but firefox is not showing me german as an alternative in the language settings - any idea why? |
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| 15:23.29 | idealbsd | Ermak, gnome broken in sid because merging 2.6.10 |
| 15:23.32 | jim | abel: /dev/fd0? |
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| 15:23.36 | dvs | abel: It should be /dev/df0 |
| 15:23.45 | K_Dallas | ilona, you could add other languages in setup |
| 15:23.46 | paulswm | !tell Ermak about sid |
| 15:23.49 | jim | fd0 |
| 15:23.50 | destiny | cddesjar as root, aptitude install packagename |
| 15:23.53 | jim | not df |
| 15:24.00 | Azar | good day honorables |
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| 15:24.11 | jim | hi Azar |
| 15:24.12 | ilona | K_Dallas, i can download new ones, yes. but i already _have_ the i8n stuff |
| 15:24.15 | DoppelGanger | cddesjar: google and read the manuals |
| 15:24.16 | abel | ok , so i just ld -s /dev/floppy to /dev/fd0 ? |
| 15:24.19 | paulswm | honorables, HAH, that's a good one |
| 15:24.20 | Ermak | okok I'll use sarge |
| 15:24.22 | adaran | paulswm, i'm trying to help a person set up debian - now he's got a k6-2 300 mhz, and i'd be the bios is old |
| 15:24.22 | ilona | and if possible, i would want to use the debian stuff |
| 15:24.27 | Azar | a Debian Sarge review has been published at newsforge: http://os.newsforge.com/os/05/06/10/1512236.shtml?tid=2 |
| 15:24.29 | Ermak | or I'll wait... |
| 15:24.31 | Ermak | :) |
| 15:24.38 | Azar | hey jim :) |
| 15:24.43 | K_Dallas | ilona, i didnt mean to download. let me tell you what i meant |
| 15:24.44 | dvs | Azar: That's old news |
| 15:24.56 | initech | Azar: is it as stupid and shallow as I think it's going to be? |
| 15:24.58 | Azar | ... so I read it and I found out there is a firewall comming with it? I had no idea |
| 15:25.04 | adaran | paulswm, so i cannot try stuff, since he's miles away, and i don't think i could get him to do that, so i need to make sure the partition is at the beginning of the free space? |
| 15:25.06 | K_Dallas | ildegar, go to: EDIT-PREFERENCES-LANGUAGES |
| 15:25.21 | Azar | guys, for me some topics discussed were news re: firewall |
| 15:25.21 | initech | just trying to prepare myself for it :) |
| 15:25.23 | DoppelGanger | initech: yes it is |
| 15:25.26 | K_Dallas | sorry ildegar i meant ilona |
| 15:25.33 | paulswm | adaran: I agree, so make a small /boot partiton below the 1024 cylindewr limit (and if it's dual boot, keep the Windows system partiton below the limit also) |
| 15:25.36 | K_Dallas | ilona, there add german to your firefox |
| 15:25.45 | Azar | so if I did a custom upgrade from woody to sarge did I got a firewall ? I have no idea |
| 15:25.50 | DoppelGanger | initech: crap journalism would be a better way to describe it |
| 15:25.56 | Ermak | tnx to all for help |
| 15:25.57 | ilona | K_Dallas, k, sec |
| 15:25.59 | Ermak | bye bye |
| 15:26.07 | paulswm | adaran: It depends on where the free space starts |
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| 15:26.28 | Azar | firewall, anyone? do I really need one? |
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| 15:26.41 | DoppelGanger | Azar: i don't know do you |
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| 15:26.47 | abel | opk thanks for those who send me on /dev/fd0 dono why i was trying to use /dev/floppy |
| 15:27.01 | Azar | in 3 years I never used a firewall on Debian |
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| 15:27.15 | ilona | K_Dallas, ok |
| 15:27.22 | K_Dallas | good |
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| 15:27.51 | DoppelGanger | k then, but if you want one man iptables (write your own script) |
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| 15:28.17 | Azar | ok another piece of news for me was that Debian installer comes with grub stuff I have no idea of, I allways used lilo, should be a much difference? |
| 15:28.20 | adaran | paulswm, thanks |
| 15:28.39 | K_Dallas | Azar, the installer would take of configuring and installing grub |
| 15:28.41 | adaran | Azar, grub is a bit easier to use then lilo from my experience |
| 15:28.43 | cddesjar | can someone tell me what this means |
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| 15:28.44 | cddesjar | http://paste.lisp.org/display/9017 |
| 15:28.45 | K_Dallas | Azar, you could change it afterwards |
| 15:28.48 | Azar | DeppelGan I have no idea how to "script" |
| 15:28.54 | FireBox | I just did installed bind9 from APT, but I'm not sure if it |
| 15:29.01 | FireBox | 's working or not, how can I tell? |
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| 15:29.31 | Azar | the issue is later, when I want to install a new kernel I have no idea how to handle grub... I allways used lilo stuff |
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| 15:29.33 | stupidkid | hey |
| 15:29.39 | Overand | How can I get framebuffer console working? |
| 15:29.45 | stupidkid | does anyone know why my firefox can't load https:// protocol? |
| 15:29.54 | stupidkid | i have lastest firefox build from apt-get |
| 15:30.05 | DoppelGanger | what a fitting name |
| 15:30.07 | Overand | stupidkid: it might have dependencies on openssl or something |
| 15:30.09 | dvs | Azar: Grub is pretty easy |
| 15:30.09 | ilona | K_Dallas, well, it would be cool if it actually showed stuff in german, too ;) |
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| 15:30.20 | stupidkid | Overand, oh |
| 15:30.20 | K_Dallas | :):) ilona |
| 15:30.20 | bnoji | I just tried to apt-get update and i got "Dynamic MMap ran out of room", "Error occurred while processing qt3-assistant (NewVersion1)" |
| 15:30.21 | idnar | Azar: assuming you're installing a debian kernel, or one you built yourself with make-kpkg, you shouldn't need to do anything |
| 15:30.25 | ilona | i put german at the topmost spot and restarted firefox |
| 15:30.27 | stupidkid | i'm using sarge |
| 15:30.32 | Overand | DoppelGanger: got anything useful to contribute, or are you just going to mock people? |
| 15:30.38 | Azar | dvs, to be honest, someone tried to show me grub but I had no idea how it works |
| 15:30.38 | DoppelGanger | mock |
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| 15:30.45 | bnoji | "Unable to write mmap - msync (14 Bad address)" |
| 15:30.46 | Overand | !troll DoppelGanger |
| 15:30.51 | K_Dallas | ilona, there might be other settings, look around and you owuld find them |
| 15:30.55 | DoppelGanger | and say such great things as read the manual |
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| 15:31.00 | dvs | Azar: You don't have to use the command line mode if you don't want to |
| 15:31.14 | abel | cddesjar PATH troubleshot, your application try to found some executable and search for it somewhere there are not. U'll have to find them at hand with the find command and add there place to the path. |
| 15:31.15 | Azar | idnar, you mean I do not need to configure the bootloader in grub after I upgrade the kernel? is all done automatically? |
| 15:31.20 | OldakQuill | Do you think Debian will ever be cut down to a Core distribution with shorter release cycles, with a surrounding periphery distro? |
| 15:31.23 | joloc | grub-install fails, reporting "no floppy controllers found". grub-install is invoked with --no-floppy, and `grub-install' correctly passes this option when invoking `grub'. so is `grub' buggy? |
| 15:31.37 | stupidkid | Overand: can you help me with that? |
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| 15:31.40 | bisquit | Hello all. My Debian dislikes my ATI Radeon 9000 ViVo. (Trying to StartX, and it says: Fatal error, no screens found.) And without any graphical interface it's really annoying for me to Google out help. |
| 15:31.41 | idnar | Azar: the postinst of the kernel package runs update-grub, which regenerates /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:31.42 | Azar | dvs, I mainly use command line , the gui interfaces are intimidating me |
| 15:31.57 | drac | bisquit: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, choose driver 'ati' |
| 15:31.58 | idnar | Azar: worst case scenario is that you reboot, and your new kernel isn't in the list, so you boot your old kernel and run update-grub manually |
| 15:32.10 | idnar | Azar: grub doesn't rely on knowing the exact location of the kernel on the disk like lilo does |
| 15:32.13 | Overand | stupidkid: apt-cache search ssl |
| 15:32.23 | dvs | Azar: No, you don't have to reconfigure anything when you install a new kernel. You just have to add some lines to your /etc/kernel-img.conf file |
| 15:32.45 | abel | bisquit run X in vesa mode ond find the radeon debian howto on the net |
| 15:32.56 | FireBox | I just installed the bind9 nameserver, but how can I tell if it's working properly or not? |
| 15:33.08 | bnoji | Has anyone gotten that MMap error on updating? |
| 15:33.08 | bisquit | drac, I think I did that already, but sure can try again. | abel, that sounds like worth a try also. |
| 15:33.11 | stupidkid | Overand, which one i need? |
| 15:33.12 | Azar | ah I see so the configuration will take place somewhere else than in what lilo uses (lilo.conf) |
| 15:33.20 | stupidkid | i had ssl and ssl lib 0.97 |
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| 15:33.38 | crashbg | hahah |
| 15:33.41 | asg | bnoji: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 15:33.52 | dvs | Azar: yeah, the configuration would be in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:33.58 | crashbg | i just routed some of my internet through BLUETOOTH to my GSM |
| 15:34.02 | crashbg | hahah |
| 15:34.16 | asg | bnoji: that might not help though, since your error may be indicative of a bad memory stick. Try it and see though. |
| 15:34.19 | Azar | thanks guys, it looks interesting |
| 15:34.37 | Overand | stupidkid: i don't know,libssl or liboppenssl or someting |
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| 15:35.02 | ilona | how can i set my konsole and everything so it will be german? |
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| 15:35.37 | crashbg | ISP->router->laptop->bluetooth->gsm :)))) |
| 15:35.40 | ordi666 | I've a problem I don't know what's appent but after a reboot (no more battery) I don't manage to have some sound anybody can help me ? please |
| 15:35.44 | asg | stupidkid: libssl-dev |
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| 15:37.32 | Overand | does the default debian kernel not support framebuffer console? |
| 15:37.32 | stupidkid | libssl-dev is already the newest version. |
| 15:38.09 | abel | ordi666 what msmod | grep snd give to u ? |
| 15:38.17 | abel | ordi666 what lsmod | grep snd give to u ? |
| 15:38.37 | dvs | !u |
| 15:38.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:38.43 | ordi666 | abel, I give you that on #flood |
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| 15:39.16 | hkdom | anyone know why A64 Sarge image is gone in FTP? |
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| 15:39.31 | dvs | IA64? |
| 15:39.42 | ordi666 | abel, snd_dummy 10564 1 |
| 15:39.42 | ordi666 | snd_seq_dummy 3716 0 |
| 15:39.42 | ordi666 | snd_rtctimer 3472 0 |
| 15:39.42 | ordi666 | rtc 11832 1 snd_rtctimer |
| 15:39.42 | ordi666 | * |
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| 15:39.48 | vile_maxim | When trying to install a package apt tells me "Package egroupware is not available, but is referred to by another package. blah blah blah" but egroupware is avalible in stable and will install on another stable box with the same apt source. Anyone have a clue on this? |
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| 15:39.56 | dvs | !flood |
| 15:39.56 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 15:40.05 | Belboz99 | Hey all |
| 15:40.10 | Belboz99 | got a quick question |
| 15:40.20 | dvs | $50 please |
| 15:40.21 | Melfice` | got a slow one |
| 15:40.22 | MoDaX | hkdom: IA64 or amd64? |
| 15:40.27 | hkdom | amd64 |
| 15:40.32 | Belboz99 | what does it mean when a file get's ".part" put after the name? |
| 15:40.34 | abel | ordi666 you was on alsa or oss ? |
| 15:40.39 | xoz | ! sarge egroupware |
| 15:40.46 | ordi666 | abel, alsa normally |
| 15:40.49 | hkdom | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/ |
| 15:40.53 | hkdom | nothing inside |
| 15:41.11 | vile_maxim | Belboz99, I thik that is done by firfox when it's in the process of downloading... I think |
| 15:41.19 | Belboz99 | uh oh |
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| 15:41.29 | Belboz99 | I had moved all these files over the network |
| 15:41.39 | Belboz99 | does this mean they didn't finish moving? |
| 15:41.51 | maghu | belboz99: yep |
| 15:41.54 | Belboz99 | damn |
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| 15:41.56 | cddesjar | ok i got alien to work |
| 15:42.01 | cddesjar | now i've got another problem |
| 15:42.01 | Belboz99 | these were important files |
| 15:42.04 | cddesjar | but i think this is easy |
| 15:42.06 | cddesjar | to fix |
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| 15:42.14 | abel | ordi666 try alsaconf as root |
| 15:42.20 | cddesjar | ttp://paste.lisp.org/display/9018 |
| 15:42.25 | cddesjar | i just can't find a shared library |
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| 15:42.30 | MoDaX | hkdom: maybe they are not ready yet |
| 15:42.32 | cddesjar | now i changed my rpm to a deb file |
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| 15:42.37 | cddesjar | did dpkg -i file.deb |
| 15:43.02 | MoDaX | hkdom: better ask on #debian-amd64 |
| 15:43.02 | hkdom | it got image inside b4 |
| 15:43.04 | initech | cddesjar: well that's what you get for doing that. 995 of the time it will not work |
| 15:43.09 | hkdom | strange... |
| 15:43.12 | initech | 99% that is |
| 15:43.29 | MoDaX | hkdom: it was arm images :) |
| 15:43.40 | cddesjar | hey someone recommended that i do it ;) |
| 15:44.03 | cddesjar | can i change it to a tarball using alien? |
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| 15:44.06 | Overand | cddesjar: that someone was an idiot |
| 15:44.16 | cddesjar | it was a couple of people |
| 15:44.21 | cddesjar | i wanted to change it to a source |
| 15:44.23 | ordi666 | abel, my stupid computer doesn't recognise any pci / pnp card in alsaconf (I've a laptop my card is a i8x0 ) |
| 15:44.27 | cddesjar | but they told me to change it to a deb file |
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| 15:44.42 | MoDaX | hkdom: I recommend you to wait a bit more... |
| 15:44.54 | abel | cddesjar first: what are u trying to install ? second go to the package section and find the package that contain your library |
| 15:45.03 | vile_maxim | initech, you think alien is bad? |
| 15:45.11 | initech | cddesjar: what package is this anyway? |
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| 15:45.20 | initech | vile_maxim: no it's fine, vile_maxim |
| 15:45.24 | hkdom | actually, is the AMD64 port not only kernel using A64? also package inside support 64-bit? |
| 15:45.31 | cddesjar | i am trying to install a printer driver |
| 15:45.37 | cddesjar | that only comes in rpm file format |
| 15:45.45 | abel | ordi666 things getting harder do u know the name of the alsa module used for your soundcard . |
| 15:45.46 | MoDaX | hkdom: amd64 port is fully 64bit |
| 15:45.47 | initech | but converting binaries is like playing a lottery, who freaking knows what libs it was linked to |
| 15:46.07 | cddesjar | i have done this tons of times with slackware...using rpm2targz |
| 15:46.08 | hkdom | then i have to wait for a few more days then |
| 15:46.11 | cahoot | ordi666: got more than the dummy card listed in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 15:46.22 | Mage_ | I've a dynamic dyndns with hostname blah.ath.cx for iface ppp0, I run bind for my own network, is it an error to use blah.ath.cx for my internal network ? |
| 15:46.22 | ordi666 | abel, nope I only know it's something like i8x0..... |
| 15:46.29 | hkdom | http://lwn.net/Articles/139268/ I read this and go download with no luck |
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| 15:46.44 | abel | cddesjar: name of your printer please . |
| 15:46.49 | maghu | how can I list IRC channels in centericq? |
| 15:46.58 | cddesjar | dell a920 |
| 15:47.04 | cddesjar | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Lexmark_Printers |
| 15:47.10 | cddesjar | lexmark x1150 |
| 15:47.13 | cddesjar | using z600 driver |
| 15:47.19 | MoDaX | hkdom: appearently, image builders have some problems. I'm waiting for dvds too |
| 15:47.28 | ordi666 | cahoot, how to know that ? |
| 15:47.28 | cddesjar | i am down to the backend stuff |
| 15:47.32 | hkdom | oh :( |
| 15:47.42 | hkdom | Thx MoDaX for your information |
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| 15:47.45 | Azar | cddesjar: do not use tutorials and HOWTOs from gentoo sources: they do not work with Debian |
| 15:47.53 | cahoot | ordi666: cat or less /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:48.46 | cddesjar | but they worked fine for slackware |
| 15:48.46 | cddesjar | they seem like very generic instructions |
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| 15:48.46 | Azar | Debian has its own rules, do not mix techniques from other distros |
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| 15:48.46 | Azar | Debian does NOT work like other distros |
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| 15:48.59 | cddesjar | regardless it's still linux |
| 15:49.01 | maghu | azar: if you know Debian, even Redhat docs can be helpful |
| 15:49.08 | cddesjar | and things are somewhat similiar |
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| 15:49.21 | Azar | cddesjar: for the last time: Debian does NOT work like other distros |
| 15:49.23 | cddesjar | i think you're being elitist |
| 15:49.24 | Mage_ | Azar: most of the gentoo tutorials are also valid for debian.. |
| 15:49.39 | Azar | ok whatever.... I do not fight a lost battle |
| 15:49.40 | dvs | !gentoosmite Mage_ |
| 15:49.47 | Gnea | cddesjar: you have much to learn young grasshopper |
| 15:49.53 | dvs | ha! |
| 15:50.05 | hkdom | lol |
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| 15:50.26 | cddesjar | ok...Azar...what do you think i should do to install it? |
| 15:50.26 | Mage_ | (I'm not a gentoo fan) |
| 15:50.26 | hkdom | !gentoo |
| 15:50.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice |
| 15:50.43 | Azar | cddesjar: I have installed Debian 52 times, out of which, 42 times BECAUSE of playing by other distro's rules. |
| 15:50.43 | receptor | !receptor |
| 15:50.43 | dpkg | i guess receptor is an artificial lifeform designed for binary manipulation of informations |
| 15:50.46 | abel | cddesjar : have u find the name of your library on the debian package page ? |
| 15:50.52 | receptor | hmm |
| 15:51.01 | cddesjar | /usr/lib |
| 15:51.41 | Azar | cddesjar: just remember this, after you done playing by other distros rules and your Debian does not seem to work: reinstall :) |
| 15:51.54 | abel | cddesjar and i guess u have installed the package who owned this library ? |
| 15:52.51 | cddesjar | i figured out my alien probably |
| 15:52.51 | cddesjar | it's not about that |
| 15:52.51 | cddesjar | i am trying to install a printer driver |
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| 15:54.03 | abel | cddesjar : for what i know you are trying to install your driver by convert him in alien but alien give u an error message. This error message say "i don't find the toto library. So have u check with the debian site what package own your missing library ? |
| 15:54.03 | vile_maxim | cddesjar, I'm tryng to get caught up to speed on your problem... have figured it out? |
| 15:54.49 | Azar | installing packages outside Debian repositories, using "outside" installers might break dependencies, and sooner or later you will wonder why some packages will cease to work/respond or even silently dissapear. Then you will know that you have no choice than to reinstall from scratch and start over. |
| 15:55.48 | vile_maxim | Azar, HE WS USING DPKG |
| 15:55.48 | vile_maxim | sorry for caps |
| 15:55.49 | asg | Sess[]: my M9 works just fine with the standard X ati driver. |
| 15:56.11 | Sess[] | my m3 works with 3d accell too |
| 15:56.21 | Sess[] | its just that there is a little screen distortion under the mouse |
| 15:56.31 | Sess[] | I was wondering if htere was a flag ogt be toggled to remove that |
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| 15:56.35 | supaman | !testing |
| 15:56.35 | dpkg | i heard testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
| 15:56.36 | Azar | I had a good friend who offered to help me with step-by-step learning to upgrade the kernel.... I had no idea I was learning that the gentoo way. Until my desktop died. Then I came here and I learned how to do it the Debian way. |
| 15:56.37 | Gnea | wow |
| 15:56.43 | supaman | shouldnt it say etch in there? |
| 15:56.46 | asg | Sess[]: does this happen if you use the 2d driver that comes with X? |
| 15:56.53 | hkdom | mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian |
| 15:56.53 | hkdom | -:- Choubaka [choubaka@ihme.org] has joined #debian |
| 15:56.54 | Sess[] | nop |
| 15:56.59 | shingouz | supaman: that is another thing again |
| 15:56.59 | cddesjar | so i figured out what my problems where with installing alien...with the /usr/local/bin stuff...i just can't find a shared library that i am looking |
| 15:57.01 | Sess[] | 2d works fine |
| 15:57.04 | cddesjar | i'll be back in 5 minues |
| 15:57.15 | mosty | Azar, the generic way works fine for me |
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| 15:57.22 | Sess[] | often I use metisse on my laptop, so its really really annoying to have the distortion |
| 15:57.30 | Azar | mosty: define "generic" way |
| 15:57.39 | shingouz | dvs: what did he do? or should i scroll up :p |
| 15:57.39 | abel | cddesjar : name of thes shared library please |
| 15:57.39 | asg | Sess[]: oh, okay. I don't have any use for the 3D drivers so never bothered. Someone else might know about your mouse issue though. |
| 15:57.43 | Gnea | !testing |
| 15:57.43 | dpkg | [testing] a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
| 15:57.43 | Sess[] | and I like to play scorched3d on the school lan also resulting in distortion only when the mouse is in the way |
| 15:57.45 | Gnea | there. |
| 15:57.46 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:57.55 | dvs | shingouz: He said he'll be back in 5 minutes |
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| 15:58.02 | shingouz | dvs: scary thought |
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| 15:58.14 | dvs | Hence the hiding |
| 15:58.19 | supaman | Gnea: excellent :-) |
| 15:58.21 | mosty | azar: compile it, copy the image to /boot/ and update your bootloader |
| 15:58.58 | Sess[] | asg: can you try an opengl app? |
| 15:59.14 | Gnea | ok... |
| 15:59.15 | Gnea | !testing |
| 15:59.15 | dpkg | [testing] a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 15:59.24 | Sess[] | asg: actually I wonder if you're using a different chipset, mach64? |
| 15:59.29 | Azar | mosty, ok you are a guru but to say to a newbie it is ok to apply gentoobie techniques in Debian is malicious at least to say |
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| 15:59.36 | Sess[] | m3 uses the rage128 pro |
| 15:59.42 | asg | Sess[]: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250 Lf [Radeon Mobility 9000 M9] (rev 02) |
| 15:59.51 | Sess[] | aah, radeon |
| 16:00.01 | asg | Sess[]: glxgears works fine, albeit without a great deal of speed with the 2D driver. |
| 16:00.03 | Sess[] | I wouldn't be having this problem if I had my radeon mobility laptop still |
| 16:00.14 | vile_maxim | Azar, I've install kernels the debian way and the generic way. If you understand what it's doing you'll be ok. No comment on the gentoo way. But in regards to cddesjar problem your advise doesn't really apply, I think...because he was using dpkg. |
| 16:00.16 | shingouz | Azar: even not-exactly-n00bs use the debian way ;) |
| 16:00.29 | mosty | azar: i fail to see how the gentoo method would work long enough to make you break your debian system. you can't emerge it, so it can't break anything |
| 16:00.29 | abel | asg : http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 16:00.36 | Sess[] | asg: you can use the ati firegl drivers for opengl hw accel quite easily |
| 16:00.45 | asg | abel: I have no use for that |
| 16:00.54 | asg | Sess[]: ^^^ |
| 16:01.02 | Sess[] | I saw it afterthe fact |
| 16:01.06 | abel | asg : are u not trying to install the ati 3D ? |
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| 16:01.17 | asg | abel, Sess[]: this laptop runs a bunch of rxvts and nothing more most of the time ;) |
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| 16:01.19 | Sess[] | abel: no Im trying to fix my opengl |
| 16:01.22 | Azar | shingouz, when I first came in here for advice, it was after I have nauseated my Debian configuration with installations made the "general" way. |
| 16:01.23 | asg | abel: no, Sess[] was having issues with his drivers |
| 16:01.37 | abrotman | asg: my debian accidntally instlladd suse .. u help plz ? |
| 16:01.39 | shingouz | Azar: heh... |
| 16:01.42 | Azar | I had no idea about rules of installation and configuration |
| 16:01.45 | abel | asg : hummm k swaping on him |
| 16:01.56 | Gnea | !beer abrotman |
| 16:01.58 | asg | abrotman: just install Netware |
| 16:01.58 | shingouz | !irritate abrotman |
| 16:01.59 | dpkg | abrotman: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses gnome hello? |
| 16:02.02 | abel | Sess[] : opengl under ATI ? |
| 16:02.08 | dvs | !ne1 |
| 16:02.09 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 16:02.21 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 16:02.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:02.22 | dvs | Oh! it's dpkg |
| 16:02.29 | shingouz | hah! :D |
| 16:02.35 | Gnea | #) |
| 16:02.42 | abrotman | asg: why not os2 ? |
| 16:02.46 | Sess[] | abel: yes, but I use the ati rage mobility m3, which is using the rage 128 driver. I have opengl working (hardware), but I get screen distortion under the mouse |
| 16:02.46 | shingouz | gotcha :p |
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| 16:02.59 | asg | abrotman: I have a copy of OS/2 2.1 on 5 1/4 floppies somewhere |
| 16:03.08 | abrotman | asg: i ahve os2 4 in my office |
| 16:03.12 | abel | Sess[] ackk could not help u... ;( |
| 16:03.12 | Gnea | heh |
| 16:03.18 | Azar | what is going on with the server? up n down |
| 16:03.20 | asg | abrotman: ah, new tech |
| 16:03.28 | shingouz | abrotman: and i have os/2 warp 3 on an ancient thinkpad here for the hell of it |
| 16:03.29 | Gnea | Azar: that pretty much sums it up |
| 16:03.38 | Azar | :) |
| 16:03.43 | Gnea | i miss os/2 warp 4 |
| 16:03.48 | asg | Azar: rehubbing, rotation machines down, etc. /mode <nick> +w (and wait for the wallops) |
| 16:03.51 | Gnea | i gotta find a copy of it |
| 16:03.55 | dvs | Gnea: Same here. |
| 16:03.58 | abrotman | shingouz: but you're weird |
| 16:03.58 | shingouz | same |
| 16:04.06 | shingouz | abrotman: you finally figured ti out? |
| 16:04.06 | Sess[] | abel: well thanks, I've been goolging for about 2 hours, but nothing helpful has show up |
| 16:04.27 | abrotman | shingouz: i was scared to tell you |
| 16:04.28 | Gnea | dvs: it was so friggin' solid! and the UI was ahead of win95 |
| 16:04.32 | maghu | azar: you are true that one should stick to using dpkg when installing, and there are a few configurations which should be done in the debian way. But it does not mean that Debian is very uniqe. All distros work this way, see suse and yast for an example. |
| 16:04.45 | shingouz | abrotman: what? you think i would lart you to oblivion? |
| 16:04.47 | dvs | Gnea: Yup. Fully agree with ya on that. |
| 16:04.57 | abrotman | shingouz: you may not |
| 16:05.02 | dvs | Gnea: And the APIs actually made sense |
| 16:05.10 | Gnea | rexx :) |
| 16:05.20 | shingouz | m$ Bob :p |
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| 16:05.26 | dvs | Gnea: Yeah, REXX made sense too! |
| 16:05.28 | xsdg | shingouz: heh |
| 16:05.31 | Gnea | see |
| 16:05.38 | Azar | maghu, back in my very obscure days, (still obscure but not quite so dark now) I used to go and download drivers and software from a website, then expect Debian would play nice. :) |
| 16:05.38 | Gnea | i had win95 installed for about a month |
| 16:05.43 | asg | shingouz: that was the shit |
| 16:05.45 | Gnea | and then it killed my monitor |
| 16:06.00 | Gnea | so i had to take it back to fry's for the warranty |
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| 16:06.07 | Gnea | took them *weeks* to simply send me a new one |
| 16:06.15 | dvs | Gnea: Ha! and its been killing monitors ever since |
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| 16:06.25 | shingouz | asg: bob? i heard that too. i think i have a copy of it here somewhere but i have never installed it on anything, probably never will |
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| 16:06.40 | Gnea | dvs: yeah, so for spite i installed os/2 and never looked back |
| 16:06.46 | Gnea | until i installed linux ;) |
| 16:06.59 | Azar | Gnea fry's might be the cheapest place to buy but it has also the hidden logo: buy cheap , get cheap. |
| 16:07.03 | asg | shingouz: their first, and hopefully last, attempt at a social interface. Shelly Long (Cheers fame) was pimping it all over the TV when it came out. Just sad and funny. |
| 16:07.28 | Gnea | Azar: that is certainly true. and i have not walked into a fry's in so many years.. .they don't have them on the east coast :/ |
| 16:07.31 | maghu | azar: if you do proper dh_make, or else know what you are doing, it is no problem. I also used to just drop kernel drivers into the kernel driver dir. But I know I did it. |
| 16:07.35 | shingouz | the last doze i used was NT3.51, i never could stomach the w9x interface on NT40, much less w95 |
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| 16:09.47 | Gnea | shingouz: http://gnea.net/gallery/screenshots/aaf?full=1 |
| 16:12.16 | OldakQuill | Do you think Debian will ever be cut down to a Core distribution with shorter release cycles, with a surrounding periphery distro? |
| 16:13.33 | zeedo | OldakQuill: probably not, but Ubuntu fits that bill pretty much |
| 16:13.44 | DoppelGanger | nice shot Gnea |
| 16:13.46 | shingouz | Gnea: not shabby at all |
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| 16:15.27 | Azar | here is how I used to upgrade a kernel someone tell me what was wrong, ok? |
| 16:15.30 | Azar | download from kernel.org, mv linux-2.6.x.tar.bz2 /usr/src, install libncurses5-dev bzip2, cd /usr/src, tar -xvjpf linux<tab>, cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.x, make menuconfig, make && make modules-install, cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot, vi /etc/lilo.conf (image=/boot/bzImage label=2.6.x-1 read-only), save, run /sbin/lilo and reboot. |
| 16:16.00 | shingouz | Azar: looks like it should work |
| 16:16.25 | Azar | I do not know why someone told me that was the gentoo way |
| 16:16.41 | hkdom | Cool, install kernel in one sentence |
| 16:16.52 | green_earz | OldakQuill: at the moment with sarge debian supports i thinks eleven architectures but the next release of debian is going to support four architecture, so shorter release cycles |
| 16:17.06 | OldakQuill | Why the downgrade? |
| 16:17.17 | shingouz | hkdom: yes, we are minor deities here :p |
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| 16:17.57 | dvs | green_earz: And maybe even 3 (thanks to Apple) |
| 16:17.59 | TonyStark | ta ahi llegaba yo, peor gracias |
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| 16:18.13 | OldakQuill | What about the unsupported systems? |
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| 16:18.44 | kaouete | is it safe to start using etch or not (like at the beginning of sarge, there was lot of problem if i remember well) ? |
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| 16:19.12 | Bazzi- | dvs: whats left? x86, x86-64 and? |
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| 16:19.16 | dvs | kaouete: I've had no problems so far. |
| 16:19.24 | dvs | Bazzi-: IA64 Itanium |
| 16:19.26 | Bazzi- | ah. |
| 16:19.30 | kaouete | dvs: hm ok, thanks :] |
| 16:19.58 | supaman | kaouete: Im doing the upgrade from sarge/testing to etch/testing as we speak, going smoothly so far (just about finished I think) |
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| 16:20.15 | OldakQuill | Surely the main problem with the release cycle length is co-ordinating and stabilising thousands of packages? |
| 16:20.15 | dvs | supaman: Over the net? |
| 16:20.22 | supaman | dvs: yup |
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| 16:20.28 | abel | i'm under etch since 2 day no trouble for me |
| 16:20.50 | Nolius | what is etch? |
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| 16:21.02 | rikva | !etch |
| 16:21.02 | dvs | !etch |
| 16:21.02 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
| 16:21.07 | Nolius | hello |
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| 16:21.25 | Nolius | t thought it was Sid |
| 16:21.32 | kaouete | there is not lot of change for the moment, what i'm wondering is if it will work well later :/ |
| 16:21.37 | supaman | Nolius: see topic |
| 16:21.39 | dawg | azar, because that's not the Debian Way |
| 16:21.39 | OldakQuill | Sid is the permanent codename for the unstable release |
| 16:21.54 | dvs | kaouete: I'd be a bit worried about x.org coming in. |
| 16:22.02 | OldakQuill | In 10 years time, versions later, the unstable will still be Sid |
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| 16:22.05 | kaouete | dvs: oh yes, you are right |
| 16:22.06 | MyOwnLittlWorld | has anyone had any trouble with a laptop monitor not being detected in the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 16:22.50 | rikva | How do I turn my sarge/testing machine into etch/testing? I replaced all 'sarge' with 'testing |
| 16:22.54 | Nolius | I use debian unstable, so I'm under etch? |
| 16:22.55 | rikva | in sources.list |
| 16:22.55 | supaman | finished, the only error I got I think was from /etc/mailcap (some java stuff in there from the sun java tarball) |
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| 16:23.01 | dvs | rikva: Replace it with "etch" |
| 16:23.05 | rikva | (i have my enter key) |
| 16:23.13 | supaman | Nolius: nope, sid |
| 16:23.16 | rikva | dvs: is that any different from testing? |
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| 16:23.23 | rikva | s/have/hate |
| 16:23.29 | dvs | rikva: Yes, testing will always change. |
| 16:23.35 | OldakQuill | So why is Debian reducing the number of supported architectures? |
| 16:23.45 | ilona | how can i set a default language for a single user? |
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| 16:23.48 | takatumi | rikva: leave it at testing to track testing for keeps. |
| 16:23.52 | rikva | dvs: I know, but i already have testing, so shouldnt that be etch? |
| 16:23.53 | vox | well that was fun |
| 16:23.53 | dvs | rikva: I meant it will change by itself. when you use "etch" you control when it changes |
| 16:23.59 | rikva | ah |
| 16:24.08 | Nolius | ok etch is the testing version :-D |
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| 16:24.20 | supaman | Nolius: right |
| 16:24.21 | Azar | dawg, so I was told, luckily I am handy with reinstall from scratch :) |
| 16:24.22 | ilona | i tried /msg dpkg faq |
| 16:24.34 | Nolius | all right :-) |
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| 16:24.49 | cddesjar | ok...so i think i installed my printer to the liking of everyone. i downloaded the ppd, put that file in /usr/share/cups/model, restarted cupsys, the went to localhost website to add my printer |
| 16:24.55 | cddesjar | whoops |
| 16:24.57 | rikva | But apt-get gets a 404 with getting "http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz", is that usual? (among with 2 other testing repositories) |
| 16:25.01 | dawg | !tell azar about make-kpkg |
| 16:25.01 | cddesjar | didn't mean to type that twice |
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| 16:25.12 | dawg | azar, that might help you understand |
| 16:25.20 | Azar | thanks dawg :) |
| 16:25.24 | dvs | rikva: There is no security updates with testing |
| 16:25.34 | rikva | dvs: ok, that explains, thanks |
| 16:25.42 | abel | rivka no more security on testing i guess |
| 16:25.52 | dvs | abel: Never really was |
| 16:26.05 | supaman | ilona: you want a different locale for different users? |
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| 16:26.44 | abel | dvs : thinks it had been had this last weeks to make the link between sarge testing and sarge stable ... |
| 16:26.46 | shingouz | rikva: because tab completion is so hard |
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| 16:26.50 | ilona | supaman, yes. i want english as standard and german for a single user |
| 16:27.02 | Azar | dawg, that fakeroot package has allways baffled me, since I usually never use gui interface when I install/configure Debian, I allways use root.. |
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| 16:28.25 | simonrvn | ah, thanks |
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| 16:29.24 | ilona | supaman, any suggestions? :) |
| 16:29.34 | TonyStark | i have trouble with the options of one module, the lm85 module, i put "force=2,0x2e" when i install it with modconf, but whe nit restarts it doesn't retains the options, though i have put it on /etc/modprrobe.d and /etc/modutils... what's happening? |
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| 16:29.49 | supaman | ilona: well, Im not quite sure how to do that, but have a look through the locale manpage (both man 1 locale and man 5 locale), or you can just export the LC_ALL environment in the users login script ... |
| 16:30.00 | martinja | Very emberassing question: What should I do to be able to edit files in VI? |
| 16:30.11 | Overfiend | martinja: open them using vi |
| 16:30.13 | martinja | I have vi running and fstab |
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| 16:30.25 | dvs | TonyStark: Those files are regenerated. (Look at the tops of the file) |
| 16:30.25 | Overfiend | martinja: you also need to write permission to the file |
| 16:30.28 | kain | martinja, to start editing press 'i' |
| 16:30.31 | shingouz | martinja: open with vi, hit esc i |
| 16:30.33 | martinja | thanks |
| 16:30.35 | Overfiend | martinja: unprivileged users can't write to the file |
| 16:30.39 | Overfiend | martinja: are you editing as root? |
| 16:30.42 | dawg | azar, well you don't need root priviledges to create a package, so it's safer to fake it |
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| 16:30.43 | martinja | thanks |
| 16:30.45 | martinja | i did the job |
| 16:30.49 | martinja | Yes, I am in root |
| 16:30.49 | ilona | supaman, will try. thanks! |
| 16:30.51 | simonrvn | fakeroot++ |
| 16:30.57 | Azar | martinja, to learn vi, download vim package that comes with vimtutor, an interactive fun tutorial |
| 16:30.57 | martinja | Thanks for the quick replies guys |
| 16:30.58 | OldakQuill | Is there a way to get the Ubuntu wallpapers for Debian on automatic dl? |
| 16:30.58 | Overfiend | martinja: vi and Emacs both have a bit of a learning curve. I recommend starting out with nano |
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| 16:31.21 | Overfiend | martinja: but once you dedicate an afternoon to learning vi and/or Emacs, you'll be started along a very rewarding path |
| 16:31.23 | Azar | martinja , then start the tutorial by typing vimtutor and have fun! |
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| 16:31.32 | martinja | cool |
| 16:31.42 | martinja | I will install vimtutor then soon |
| 16:31.49 | Overfiend | s/learning/& the basics of/ :) |
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| 16:32.00 | Overfiend | martinja: if you have vim installed, you already have vimtutor |
| 16:32.10 | Azar | martinja you only need to : apt-get install vim (it contains the vimtutor) |
| 16:32.10 | Overfiend | martinja: run the command "which vimtutor" |
| 16:32.11 | martinja | isnt vim the new vi? |
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| 16:32.21 | Azar | martinja yes |
| 16:32.29 | Overfiend | martinja: Vim is a re-implementation of the original Unix vi, which is not free software. |
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| 16:32.37 | martinja | ok |
| 16:32.41 | martinja | yes I do have vimtutor |
| 16:32.56 | Azar | martinja then whenever you have the time play with it |
| 16:33.11 | Overfiend | martinja: the BSDs also reimplemented a (pretty much) strictly faithful clone of the original vi, called "nvi". But most people prefer Vim, which has tons and tons of features not present in the original vi or nvi. |
| 16:33.12 | martinja | It is thanks to you people that linux is a great option |
| 16:33.30 | gskillet | i need help, i'm using a wireless PCMIA network card on a laptop, i pulled it out of the drive yesterday to get a number off of it and it has removed eth1 from my Network Settings (and there is no option to add it back) |
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| 16:33.37 | martinja | ok |
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| 16:33.58 | Overfiend | martinja: if you prefer a lean vi, nvi is also available in Debian, as are many other editors. But Vim and GNU Emacs are pretty much the kings of the hill |
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| 16:34.18 | jim | OldakQuill: wrt Main problem w/ release... that's part of the problem; the other part is that sometimes whole new core elements come in, and that stuff takes special care |
| 16:34.23 | martinja | I think I will stick to vim :) sounds as to be great |
| 16:34.34 | Azar | .. I wish to see more command line interactive tutorials like vimtutor... it makes the learning fun |
| 16:34.34 | dvs | Overfiend: Whatdoyamean "learn vi" >-( |
| 16:34.34 | Gnea | vim rocks the house |
| 16:34.40 | paulswm | http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/viman.gif |
| 16:35.01 | lackey | vim is amazing |
| 16:35.14 | jim | that's via :P |
| 16:35.16 | paulswm | vi and clones are the best IMO |
| 16:35.22 | lackey | especially when you edit multiple files at once |
| 16:35.28 | lackey | :-) |
| 16:35.30 | Overfiend | martinja: once you've got the basics down, join the #vim channel on this network when you need help. |
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| 16:35.41 | martinja | ok |
| 16:35.52 | lackey | nano is okay... |
| 16:35.53 | Overfiend | martinja: though in truth you'll probably be able to get help with most things Vim in here |
| 16:36.05 | lackey | vim is much better |
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| 16:36.19 | martinja | so far vim seems pretty nice |
| 16:36.21 | lackey | I need to learn how to manage multiple windows |
| 16:36.21 | Overfiend | nano has the advantage of not confusing the hell out of rank newbies |
| 16:36.28 | lackey | yep |
| 16:36.34 | lackey | I would suggest starting in nano |
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| 16:36.39 | lackey | then migrating to vim |
| 16:36.50 | Rockret | I have kernel 2.6.8-2 .. and I found one patch to upgrade to 2.6.11.11 (patch-2.6.11.11.bz2) |
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| 16:36.59 | lackey | does anyone know how to get ati working |
| 16:37.01 | Rockret | How can I need to do that ? |
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| 16:37.09 | Azar | as newbie I only started with vi and sticked with it, out of fear of other editors, never seen nano or emacs... |
| 16:37.10 | paulswm | I use gvim probably the most, but love all vi/vim versions |
| 16:37.10 | martinja | ati has new linux drivers |
| 16:37.10 | TonyStark | dvs, i have watched that directories, and i don't understand what you mean, i thought that directories were used to create the /etc/modules.conf... doesn't it? |
| 16:37.10 | Sess[] | this is frustrating |
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| 16:37.12 | martinja | dont they? |
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| 16:37.18 | SantaOne | hi |
| 16:37.21 | Sess[] | every opengl app, even blender shows a box outline around the mouse cursor |
| 16:37.27 | martinja | Or not new new but pretty decent |
| 16:37.28 | shingouz | Rockret: you cannot, you apt-get install the new kernel, pathces are source code and... welll... nto goo dfor you |
| 16:37.29 | lackey | :-( |
| 16:37.30 | jim | vi is historic in the sense that all the people from like the mid 70s and early 80s were using it; they would become major gurus in the 90s and be incredibly fast with vi due to its home key controls |
| 16:37.30 | Gnea | Overfiend: as crazy as it sounds, that's totally true - there's even a few rare times when i find that nano is better suited than vim (usually ffor pasting a lot of lines at once and having it all get auto-indented) |
| 16:37.31 | SantaOne | what do I have to do when Apache ignores .htaccess files? |
| 16:37.34 | Sess[] | if I could remove that box it would be fine |
| 16:37.36 | dvs | TonyStark: It depends which kernel you use |
| 16:37.39 | martinja | I just wish I could get audigy 2 zs working now with debian |
| 16:37.48 | Rockret | oh ok |
| 16:37.52 | shingouz | !tell Rockret about search |
| 16:37.52 | lackey | I have an audigy 2 zs |
| 16:37.53 | dieguito | hello, where can i edit the new gnome menus? |
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| 16:38.03 | jim | martinja: that's a matter of drivers |
| 16:38.04 | martinja | How did you get it to work in Debian? |
| 16:38.09 | Overfiend | vi and its clones have the artifact of being developed in the immediate post-teletype age, when all you had was a basic typewriter-like keyboard running at a very slow bitrate. Emacs has the artifact of being developed on the MIT Space Cadet keyboard, which had modifier keys that have never been seen anywhere else to this day :) |
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| 16:38.11 | martinja | I just have to find them :/ |
| 16:38.14 | fwiw39 | is bob2 here? |
| 16:38.15 | shingouz | Rockret: do a search for kernel-image and pick the correct one to install |
| 16:38.16 | xoz | Overfiend: any solution to the code morphing messing with X in transmeta cpu |
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| 16:38.18 | lackey | I have not got my ati to work yet |
| 16:38.22 | lackey | so I have not |
| 16:38.26 | lackey | knoppix has the drivers |
| 16:38.27 | lackey | through |
| 16:38.29 | TonyStark | dvs, i'm using a 2.6 kernel, i thought you put the options in files in /etc/modprobe.d/wahatever and /etc/modutils/whatever, and then they generate the /etc/modules.conf, so all options were loaded... |
| 16:38.30 | lackey | though |
| 16:38.32 | martinja | I am used to having drivers on the manufacturers site |
| 16:38.34 | Overfiend | xoz: Never heard of one, apart from compiling with optimization off |
| 16:38.46 | jim | well vi wasn't for teletypes, or was it? |
| 16:38.49 | Azar | lackey did you ran debconf and setup there the correct driver for your ati? |
| 16:38.57 | Gnea | Overfiend: hrm, are those the same people that developed skylab? ;) |
| 16:38.59 | Overfiend | xoz: I forget if it's Xlib or the X server that needed that. It's in the FAQ or bug thread |
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| 16:39.02 | lackey | I think so... |
| 16:39.09 | jim | ex was the next-gen ed |
| 16:39.09 | lackey | I was in a haze of bawls |
| 16:39.15 | Overfiend | vim wasn't for teletypes, it required full-screen addressing |
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| 16:39.18 | martinja | lackey: where did you get the drivers for audigy 2 zs from? |
| 16:39.27 | Overfiend | but it got started on *really* primitive dumb terminals |
| 16:39.28 | dvs | TonyStark: /etc/modules.conf doesn't work with 2.6 kernels. It only uses /etc/modprobe.d. |
| 16:39.31 | xoz | Overfiend: thanks... at least not all of X |
| 16:39.33 | Gnea | Overfiend: i was referring to the MIT space cadets |
| 16:39.34 | Overfiend | s/vim/vi/ |
| 16:39.42 | lackey | try knoppix |
| 16:39.43 | gskillet | I pulled my wireless network card out of the port on my laptop to read a number off of it, and it removed eth1 from my Network settings, and upon re-insertion of the card (and reboot) it has not been detected again automatically, how can I get my Wireless card to show up again in Network settings? (there is no Add button like it shows in Help) |
| 16:39.53 | Overfiend | Gnea: the Space Cadet keyboard was a real product :) Google it :) |
| 16:39.56 | jim | Overfiend: that had to fully repaint in order to get the cursor on a particular spot... |
| 16:40.03 | jim | painful at 110 baud :P |
| 16:40.04 | Overfiend | jim: yeah |
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| 16:40.15 | shingouz | gskillet: what card is it? |
| 16:40.17 | dvs | TonyStark: Moreover, the /etc/modules.conf file can be deleted because modprobe.d reads from the files in the /etc/modprobe.d files directly |
| 16:40.22 | Gnea | Overfiend: oh man, so there's a keyboard out there based upon emacs?! :) |
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| 16:40.33 | Overfiend | Gnea: other way around, but yes. |
| 16:40.35 | Rockret | ok |
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| 16:40.38 | gskillet | shingouz: 802.11b Netgear Wireless 16bit PCMIA MA401 |
| 16:40.49 | jim | There's an emacs based on keyboards??! |
| 16:40.49 | lackey | audigy 2zs is such a good card, I am sure there is a driver somewheres |
| 16:40.50 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 16:41.04 | Rockret | other question, when i burn one cd with linux .. why I cant access in windows ? |
| 16:41.06 | gskillet | shinqouz: when i installed debian it was automatically detected and used, worked great, for soem reason removing it wiped all of its recognition |
| 16:41.06 | jim | wut u mean other way around? |
| 16:41.07 | Gnea | ooh |
| 16:41.09 | Gnea | symbolics? |
| 16:41.16 | shingouz | gskillet: i am not sure what chipset is uses bu i hazard the guess orinoco. lsmod | grep orinoco |
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| 16:41.32 | Overfiend | Gnea: http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?space-cadet+keyboard |
| 16:41.38 | gskillet | shinqouz: i think its a prism card |
| 16:41.38 | martinja | umount /.... is the opposit of mount /.... ? |
| 16:41.38 | TonyStark | dvs, ah, ok, but i have dodne the same thing in both cases in /etc/modprobe.d i have just created the lm85 file, and i have put there options lm85 force=0,0x2e isn't correct? when i restart the computer it forgets the configuration... |
| 16:41.41 | Azar | lackey the places Id check for my video driver would be modconf first, then dpkg-reconfigure xfree86conf-4 to see exactly what is set up then I would maybe remove and reinstall alsa.. just a thought |
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| 16:42.00 | shingouz | gskillet: could be that too but it should still work with the same driver. lsmod | orinoco |
| 16:42.10 | Overfiend | Gnea: re: nano and auto-indentation, you may be interested in the Vim command ":set ai" :) |
| 16:42.11 | dvs | TonyStark: No it's "option lm85 force=0,0x2e" |
| 16:42.13 | Gnea | Overfiend: http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/S/space-cadet-keyboard.html |
| 16:42.16 | gskillet | shinqouz ok ill try it |
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| 16:42.18 | shingouz | lsmod | grep orinoco that is gskillet |
| 16:42.19 | Azar | lackey just make sure the correct label you need to see for your vide driver |
| 16:42.23 | jim | is there a reliable way to get a high-powered prism2 or prism54 PCI card? |
| 16:42.31 | xoz | vim has all the perks of real editor |
| 16:42.32 | Overfiend | Gnea: yup, that's it :) |
| 16:42.42 | shingouz | jim: get a senao 200mW |
| 16:42.43 | fwiw39 | jim - what's your wife's name? |
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| 16:42.49 | dvs | TonyStark: Sorry, it's "options" not "option" |
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| 16:42.55 | jim | fwiw39" NULL |
| 16:42.57 | TonyStark | dvs, arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i've been 2 days with this error, thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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| 16:43.00 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 16:43.13 | dvs | TonyStark: no prob |
| 16:43.15 | fwiw39 | jim - if you had a linux distro, you could call it NULLJIM linux |
| 16:43.23 | fwiw39 | cuz debian = deborah + ian |
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| 16:43.38 | TonyStark | dvs, thanks |
| 16:43.53 | Gnea | Overfiend: i want to unset ai though |
| 16:43.53 | jim | I'm not having a distro thankyouverymuch :P |
| 16:43.59 | fwiw39 | KTHXBYE |
| 16:44.01 | gskillet | shingouz: i ran lsmod | grep orinoco now what do i need to do for it to show up as a Connection under Network settings? |
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| 16:44.21 | shingouz | gskillet: could you tell me the output of the command? |
| 16:44.28 | Gnea | !troll hkdom |
| 16:44.29 | lackey | anyone who is a noob |
| 16:44.30 | shingouz | hkdom: stop that please |
| 16:44.31 | lackey | at linux |
| 16:44.38 | lackey | install gentoo |
| 16:44.39 | gskillet | shingouz: no output, but i didnt run it sudo or anything |
| 16:44.40 | jim | hkdom: you can practice pasting in a blank channel |
| 16:44.41 | Azar | lackey: me |
| 16:44.42 | lackey | a couple of times |
| 16:44.46 | lackey | no |
| 16:44.47 | lackey | anyone |
| 16:44.49 | rage | I know this is an odd place to ask but it is sorta Debian related: Does anyone remember the name of that movie that came out recently where this guys and a girl were searching for an old American steel ship in North Africa. In the course of their travels they discover a large company is conspiring with the local government to kill off the local population by poisening the ground water? |
| 16:44.49 | hkdom | sorry |
| 16:44.54 | shingouz | gskillet: has to be done as root or sude... |
| 16:44.55 | toresbe | Overfiend: Ooooh, heh, the space cadet... |
| 16:44.58 | simonrvn | lackey: STFU |
| 16:44.58 | shingouz | sodo |
| 16:45.01 | lackey | installing gentoo makes you learn more than you want to know... |
| 16:45.04 | Overfiend | Gnea: try :set paste and :set nopaste |
| 16:45.07 | Gnea | lackey: gentoo is too soft... slackware |
| 16:45.09 | martinja | What about having a link in the topic to post several lines? |
| 16:45.24 | toresbe | Overfiend: When I get my Sun back up and running I'm going to assign all the keys I don't use to modifiers |
| 16:45.28 | ctd | lackey: runroll-loops |
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| 16:45.30 | Overfiend | toresbe: :) |
| 16:45.34 | Azar | banner: say no to gentoobies |
| 16:45.35 | ctd | funroll-loops |
| 16:45.37 | gskillet | shingouz: am i running one or two commands, run lsmod | grep oronico as a whole command? |
| 16:45.38 | lackey | debian is better |
| 16:45.38 | hkdom | I am using a new putty, and didnt notice it have problem while resizing |
| 16:45.41 | Gnea | Overfiend: BEAUTIFUL!! |
| 16:45.41 | vinsci | is the Sid with X time to crash down to mere minutes now, or is it just my system? |
| 16:45.49 | shingouz | gskillet: one command |
| 16:45.50 | TonyStark | dvs, one more thing, sometimes some modules they don't work if i don't put it on /etc/modules, do you know why? |
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| 16:45.54 | devazion | lackey, installing gentoo dont learn you anything... |
| 16:45.58 | Gnea | i have been trying to figure that one out for a long LONG time |
| 16:45.59 | gskillet | shingouz i ran as root still no output |
| 16:45.59 | toresbe | Overfiend: Right now I have caps lock + (alphanum) for my window manager to chew on |
| 16:46.08 | simonrvn | i have :set paste :set nopaste to F10 and F11 |
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| 16:46.17 | shingouz | gskillet: lsmod | grep orinoco <--- note the spelling... |
| 16:46.20 | Overfiend | Gnea: that's done automatically for you if you 1) use gvim 2) make terminal Vim sensitive to mouse events. I don't remember how to do 2) though. |
| 16:46.27 | dvs | TonyStark: No, I'm not exactly sure. |
| 16:46.28 | gskillet | shingouz: yeah orinoco, still no output :/ |
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| 16:46.36 | Azar | banner: newbies should be afraid of X - learn it at command line first |
| 16:46.36 | toresbe | Overfiend: I did run out of ideas after a while, though - cl+1 through 9 runs xsetroot with some horrid bright color |
| 16:46.41 | simonrvn | lackey: don't /msg me |
| 16:46.45 | Gnea | that's cool, i can remember this one |
| 16:46.46 | Overfiend | toresbe: :) |
| 16:46.46 | shingouz | gskillet: modprobe orinoco-cs |
| 16:46.48 | MyOwnLittlWorld | question... |
| 16:46.54 | Gnea | ...answer |
| 16:46.57 | TonyStark | dvs, i thoguht it wasn't necesary to put anything there if if you used /etc/modprobe.d.. |
| 16:47.01 | martinja | brb. reboot |
| 16:47.05 | lackey | :( |
| 16:47.08 | shingouz | reboot? what is that? |
| 16:47.15 | gskillet | shingouz: still no output, maybe i need to log out and be in command prompt only? |
| 16:47.17 | dvs | TonyStark: No, that's not true. |
| 16:47.21 | simonrvn | shingouz: the thing you do when you upgrade the kernel |
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| 16:47.30 | shingouz | gskillet: run the lsmod thingie again |
| 16:47.31 | dvs | TonyStark: If you alias some of the modules, they get loaded automatically |
| 16:47.33 | jim | well, x makes things convenient... but is hard to set up if you have to do it yourself and some hardware it needs is not autodetected |
| 16:47.40 | shingouz | simonrvn: oh yes, now i remember |
| 16:47.41 | green_earz | lackey: for a help full learning curve have a look at, > Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 16:47.45 | TonyStark | dvs, ah, ins't it? when do i have to put modules in /etc/modules? |
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| 16:47.55 | gskillet | shingouz: ive got an output now from the lsmod | grep... its 4-5 lines long |
| 16:47.57 | MyOwnLittlWorld | i recently installed 2.6 from 2.4 (debian 3.1 install) and while 2.4 works fine on my computer, 2.6 doesn't seem to detect/display anything on the monitor (even while booting - no console!) |
| 16:47.57 | jim | but it's good to learn cli because that's where all the power is |
| 16:47.58 | toresbe | Overfiend: I have combos that will make it say the time. My extra modifiers will make possible accents and speech defects, etc! |
| 16:47.59 | wizzard | pls, how can I add a source for an unstable KOffice to my apt-get config file? |
| 16:48.02 | dvs | TonyStark: Yes, just "lm85" should do |
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| 16:48.04 | MyOwnLittlWorld | has anyone else had that problem? |
| 16:48.07 | shingouz | gskillet: the orinoco there? |
| 16:48.20 | dvs | !worked in 2.4 |
| 16:48.20 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 16:48.20 | MyOwnLittlWorld | (or perhaps know a solution?) |
| 16:48.21 | simonrvn | MyOwnLittlWorld: first thought is that you didn't install module-init-tools |
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| 16:48.23 | Azar | jim booting in X mode hides the view of how the boot time goes, as well as possible error messages |
| 16:48.31 | gskillet | shingouz: there is pcmcia, pcmcia_core, hermes, orinoco, orinoco_cs |
| 16:48.40 | TonyStark | dvs, ah ok, the nit is that module, thank you |
| 16:48.44 | gskillet | shingouz: on my card it says pcmcia on the label |
| 16:48.45 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: is it a debian kenrel ? |
| 16:48.48 | shingouz | gskillet: ok, now do ifconfig -a and see if you have the network |
| 16:48.49 | jim | Azar: you should be able to get those with dmesg |
| 16:48.52 | dvs | TonyStark: No prob |
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| 16:48.53 | MyOwnLittlWorld | the 2.4 was a debian |
| 16:48.59 | abrotman | and 2.6 is not ? |
| 16:49.03 | MyOwnLittlWorld | i tried the 2.6 off of the 3.1 cd, and my own |
| 16:49.07 | MyOwnLittlWorld | both had the same problem |
| 16:49.11 | toresbe | Overfiend: A friend of mine has a PDP-10 |
| 16:49.13 | abrotman | both -686 ? |
| 16:49.13 | simonrvn | no initrd |
| 16:49.27 | sh4dowcat | MyOwnLittlWorld: what problem? |
| 16:49.29 | Azar | jim, back 3 weeks ago when I was trying to catch the alsamodule error message at bootup , dmesg did not help |
| 16:49.30 | MyOwnLittlWorld | the deb is 386 i htink |
| 16:49.31 | toresbe | Overfiend: that was the one that had sc kb's attached, right? |
| 16:49.43 | gskillet | shingouz: it lists eth0 (my CAT5 network card that is onboard), lo, and sit0 |
| 16:49.50 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: CPU is ? |
| 16:49.50 | gskillet | shingouz: my wireless card use to be eth1 |
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| 16:49.53 | MyOwnLittlWorld | and I built M support into my kernel |
| 16:49.55 | jim | Azar: ahh |
| 16:49.59 | MyOwnLittlWorld | (only M support) |
| 16:50.01 | shingouz | gskillet: ifup eth1 |
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| 16:50.08 | jim | I want Q support... |
| 16:50.09 | green_earz | MyOwnLittlWorld: have try to apt-get the kernel over the net ? the cds may have a error on them ? |
| 16:50.14 | jim | omnipotence! |
| 16:50.14 | MyOwnLittlWorld | proc is Pentium M 2.0 gh\z... |
| 16:50.19 | simonrvn | sit0 is useless except to indicate you have 6in4tunnel enabled... i wish they'd fix that... |
| 16:50.23 | gskillet | shingouz: keeps returning; No such device |
| 16:50.26 | bnoji | how is ACPI for desktops? |
| 16:50.36 | MyOwnLittlWorld | green: have't tried that, but it didn't work when I was building my own kernel either |
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| 16:50.40 | jim | it's fine... how are you? |
| 16:50.40 | jdhutchin1 | bnoji, depends how much the desktop supports it |
| 16:50.45 | shingouz | gskillet: hmm.. now that is odd. did the lights on the card come on? |
| 16:50.53 | usuario | _ola |
| 16:50.53 | toresbe | Overfiend: hmm, no, it wasn't |
| 16:51.00 | gskillet | gskillet: whenever i slide the card in the light immediately comes on |
| 16:51.05 | gskillet | shingouz: whenever i slide the card in the light immediately comes on |
| 16:51.09 | MyOwnLittlWorld | it acts like the monitor's not being deteced... if I just wait for the hd light to stop blinking, I can still login as root and shutdown... |
| 16:51.17 | MyOwnLittlWorld | (it was kinda funny doing that without a display) |
| 16:51.20 | jim | usuario: hi. if you want: /msg dpkg es |
| 16:51.34 | toresbe | Overfiend: Hmm, there's an idea, I think the company that made these KB's still exists |
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| 16:51.35 | shingouz | gskillet: ok. this is going to be a bit more complicated then. cat /etc/debian_version and uname -a for me |
| 16:51.42 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: framebuffer? |
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| 16:51.47 | MyOwnLittlWorld | turned off |
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| 16:51.54 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: acpi ? |
| 16:52.02 | MyOwnLittlWorld | abrotman: turned on |
| 16:52.13 | MyOwnLittlWorld | and apm is a module |
| 16:52.14 | rob_lt | How would I list all packages that were installed from a specific sources.list entry? |
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| 16:52.14 | hkdom | <jim> fwiw39" NULL |
| 16:52.14 | abrotman | turned off ? |
| 16:52.24 | shingouz | hkdom: stop that. now |
| 16:52.25 | MyOwnLittlWorld | i disabled framebuffer support |
| 16:52.26 | sh4dowcat | rob_lt: you've been asking this for two days now |
| 16:52.28 | sh4dowcat | you don't |
| 16:52.32 | gskillet | shingouz: version 3.1, Linux gskillet 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Jun 7 08:26:42 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:52.37 | MyOwnLittlWorld | (in the kernel config program) |
| 16:52.38 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: acpi=off ? |
| 16:52.38 | OldakQuill | http://www.osviews.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4636&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
| 16:52.40 | jim | I'm immortalized! |
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| 16:53.01 | MyOwnLittlWorld | i was following the directions in the very verbose kernel building guide |
| 16:53.05 | rob_lt | sh4dowcat: I think you have me confused with someone else, this is the first time I've asked this, but thanks for the answer anyway. |
| 16:53.08 | abrotman | !kp |
| 16:53.08 | dpkg | it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 16:53.09 | tbx | anyone... I am considering my options [wanting to flee mandrake/man-diva/whatever]... one question I have is about the availability of packages such as are found in the MDK-specific plf.zarb.org. Is there a similar repository for debian? |
| 16:53.10 | gskillet | shingouz: i just had my linux logged in and was online, i pulled out the card for a second, put it back in, and thats when this all started |
| 16:53.11 | [daemon] | did i ever mention that debian sucks |
| 16:53.12 | MyOwnLittlWorld | abrotman: acpi= off |
| 16:53.13 | shingouz | gskillet: does cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep unstable do anything? |
| 16:53.25 | martinjaafk | What should I write if I want a group of users to have axx to my mnt windows? For now only the root as axx. |
| 16:53.26 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: you tried that also ? |
| 16:53.26 | usuario | ola |
| 16:53.33 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: what kind of machine is htis ? |
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| 16:53.36 | simonrvn | tbx: debian has its own s/w repo and mirrors |
| 16:53.40 | rob_lt | sh4dowcat: I haven't even spoken in this channel in the last two days. |
| 16:53.47 | [daemon] | you guys stink because you never shower |
| 16:53.54 | dvs | *plonk* |
| 16:53.57 | abrotman | [daemon]: stop |
| 16:54.00 | MyOwnLittlWorld | abrotman: actually, wait, acpi = on |
| 16:54.01 | MyOwnLittlWorld | sorry |
| 16:54.03 | simonrvn | [daemon]: and you have a lame nick |
| 16:54.04 | gskillet | shingouz: the sources list lists my repositories, the unstable doesnt do anything |
| 16:54.09 | MyOwnLittlWorld | it's a gateway 450 rgh |
| 16:54.15 | [daemon] | you all are pickled and preserved and never will get laid |
| 16:54.17 | MyOwnLittlWorld | decent thing, breaks all the time though |
| 16:54.18 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: alptop ? |
| 16:54.21 | MyOwnLittlWorld | yup |
| 16:54.25 | abrotman | !ops [daemon] trolling |
| 16:54.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [daemon] trolling |
| 16:54.26 | shingouz | gskillet: does 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep unstable' do anything? one command |
| 16:54.30 | toresbe | Overfiend: btw you're not here very often :P |
| 16:54.31 | jim | [daemon]: and you will? |
| 16:54.32 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: laptop ? |
| 16:54.33 | tbx | simonrvn: thank you, I know this - but does it have copyright "lefted" packages, again, such as those found in the plf? [mame, dvdrip, transcode, all that sort of stuff]? |
| 16:54.36 | MyOwnLittlWorld | abrotman: laptop! |
| 16:54.42 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: it is ? |
| 16:54.48 | MyOwnLittlWorld | abrotman: it is a laptop |
| 16:54.49 | green_earz | MyOwnLittlWorld: for kernel build have a look at > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 16:54.50 | gskillet | shingouz: no output |
| 16:54.52 | jim | [daemon]: go tell that to Gunwitch |
| 16:54.54 | [daemon] | abortman: you stink as well |
| 16:54.59 | martinjaafk | or how do I add specific users to have axx to a mnt ntfs folder in fstab? |
| 16:55.01 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: and you checked linux-laptop.net ? |
| 16:55.01 | toresbe | Overfiend: Are you bored or something? :P |
| 16:55.21 | shingouz | gskillet: good. do you have hotplug and discover installed? |
| 16:55.21 | gskillet | shingouz: whenever i installed debian, one of the first things it had was a list of connected cards that it detected and let me choose eth1, i guess there isnt any way i can get to that detection again? |
| 16:55.23 | simonrvn | tbx: 1) i have no clue wtf 'the plf' is 2) what licence are you talking about? |
| 16:55.26 | MyOwnLittlWorld | abrotman: would trying it without acpi / fan speed control change anything do you think? |
| 16:55.32 | jim | !ops [daemon] annoying troll |
| 16:55.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [daemon] annoying troll |
| 16:55.35 | shingouz | gskillet: not that i know |
| 16:55.35 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: it's possible |
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| 16:55.40 | [daemon] | LOL |
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| 16:55.52 | MyOwnLittlWorld | ok, thanks, I'll try that... |
| 16:56.00 | TonyStark | dvs, i have been reading some other /etc/modprobe.d, and all they are writeen with "optionS" not option... |
| 16:56.01 | [daemon] | you all pee into your beds if someone comes to say that you suck! |
| 16:56.02 | gskillet | shingouz: i have universe, and ubuntu repositories |
| 16:56.04 | tbx | simonrvn: well, I have provided a URL. You could look. And I said, stuff for which there may be issues, and therefore may not be included in an "official" repository. |
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| 16:56.07 | martinjaafk | chmod /media/windows (what?) |
| 16:56.08 | abrotman | god fucking damn it |
| 16:56.13 | simonrvn | [daemon]: *plonk* |
| 16:56.17 | drade | Is that windows fucker [daemon] around? |
| 16:56.17 | MyOwnLittlWorld | abrotman: do you know if vga=771 (a mode I needed for the debian installer) would change anything? |
| 16:56.19 | dvs | TonyStark: Yeah, I corrected myself later |
| 16:56.20 | shingouz | gskillet: excellent. are you running ubuntu then? |
| 16:56.25 | gskillet | shingouz: yes |
| 16:56.25 | abrotman | MyOwnLittlWorld: it also could |
| 16:56.28 | [daemon] | ..|. .|.. FU all |
| 16:56.33 | shingouz | gskillet: off you go, #ubuntu |
| 16:56.34 | Xuse | uhm.. |
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| 16:56.39 | drade | Dont annoy him, hes one of the best hackers aroung |
| 16:56.41 | drade | around,even |
| 16:56.43 | gskillet | shingouz: oh |
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| 16:56.48 | TonyStark | dvs, ah, sorry i didn't read ti, then waht waas the problem? why it loose the options? |
| 16:56.51 | MyOwnLittlWorld | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:56.54 | abrotman | don't annoy who ? |
| 16:56.58 | simonrvn | drade: sure. tell that to bill gates |
| 16:57.00 | Xuse | ohno hacker! |
| 16:57.08 | shingouz | gskillet: probably something ubuntu specific and i have no clue on how to make it work |
| 16:57.09 | jim | !ops drade trolling with [daemon] |
| 16:57.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: drade trolling with [daemon] |
| 16:57.19 | simonrvn | like i give a flying fuck who he is. an asshole is an asshole |
| 16:57.21 | dvs | TonyStark: If you used "option" before, probably. |
| 16:57.26 | initech | [daemon]: hlp pls i have a prob with xp it's not seeing my outlook and my computerz really slow can u hlp pls thnx |
| 16:57.28 | gskillet | shingouz: ok thanks for ur time |
| 16:57.34 | shingouz | gskillet: no problem |
| 16:57.35 | [daemon] | drade: you pussy licking mofo |
| 16:57.43 | simonrvn | initech: suggestion: /ignore [daemon] all |
| 16:57.55 | drade | [daemon]: gimme your IP! I will DoS you right away! |
| 16:58.00 | TonyStark | dvs, i have used options since the first try... and when i restart it loose the options, and the module doesn't work |
| 16:58.00 | drade | Come on! |
| 16:58.02 | [daemon] | drade: 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:58.04 | drade | Gimme your fscking ip! |
| 16:58.05 | martinjaafk | in fstab does it matter in what order ,ro,user,owner is in? |
| 16:58.25 | tbx | wow. fun in here today. |
| 16:58.26 | simonrvn | drade: too lame to /whois someone, fricking asshat |
| 16:58.26 | shingouz | drade: just /ignore the asshat |
| 16:58.27 | paulswm | I wonder if [daemon]'s mommy knows about the bad stuff he's typing on her computer |
| 16:58.29 | drade | DoS active now! |
| 16:58.30 | udk | hmmm |
| 16:58.31 | [daemon] | drade: 12.110.110.204 |
| 16:58.33 | initech | [daemon]: can u pls log in my xp and fix it thnx |
| 16:58.49 | Gnea | !troll [daemon] |
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| 16:58.57 | [daemon] | initech: do it on your own bummer - its just a format all |
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| 16:59.02 | drade_ | You wanker! |
| 16:59.06 | drade_ | What did you do? |
| 16:59.08 | sh4dowcat | let's all nmap [daemon] |
| 16:59.09 | abrotman | yay no ops |
| 16:59.13 | amphi | drade_: /whois is at yr disposal :) |
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| 16:59.21 | initech | [daemon]: im not a wzrd in xp thnx can u do it 4 me? |
| 16:59.21 | shingouz | drade_: just ignore the asshole |
| 16:59.22 | simonrvn | let's all ping flood [daemon] |
| 16:59.31 | sh4dowcat | simonrvn: heh |
| 16:59.32 | udk | err |
| 16:59.34 | [daemon] | simonrvn: yeah try |
| 16:59.34 | abrotman | let's just keep calling ops :) |
| 16:59.35 | sh4dowcat | that'd knock him offline |
| 16:59.39 | udk | simonrvn: no, thanks |
| 16:59.42 | drade_ | yeah dos that windows fscker |
| 16:59.44 | Gnea | the channel has officially gone to shit. |
| 16:59.50 | sh4dowcat | [daemon]: how about I ddos your ip for real? |
| 16:59.50 | DimmuR | Hi some time ago i configured sane.d to share scanner over local network and now i can't find where it was :( can any1 help me with disable this? (xsane starts 5 minutes because of this) |
| 16:59.53 | jim | drade_: you're at the same IP |
| 16:59.53 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:59.55 | sh4dowcat | as I'm on a 100 mbps |
| 16:59.56 | simonrvn | thank you for stating the obvious |
| 16:59.59 | udk | drade_: [daemon]: can you kids please grow up and respect the freenode rules? |
| 17:00.01 | drade_ | jim: what? |
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| 17:00.08 | [daemon] | yes - as you all are shitheads - now the channel is full of the stuff out of your heads |
| 17:00.08 | paulswm | Gnea: Like that's front page news :P |
| 17:00.19 | Stereo | hi folks. I'm looking for a wall for X so I can tell my X11 users the system is going down. I'm sure it exists, but I can't find it on google and apt-cache. |
| 17:00.19 | Gnea | paulswm: haha |
| 17:00.21 | drade_ | hows that possible? |
| 17:00.23 | abrotman | how many times have ops been called on the idiot ? |
| 17:00.26 | shingouz | a weekend op would nto be a too bad of an idea... |
| 17:00.27 | abrotman | err idiots ? |
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| 17:00.32 | sh4dowcat | !ops pleasse ban *!*@port-212-202-236-178.static.qsc.de |
| 17:00.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pleasse ban *!*@port-212-202-236-178.static.qsc.de |
| 17:00.33 | abrotman | shingouz: yeah .. beg for one .. you won't get it |
| 17:00.36 | martinjaafk | drade are you on windows? |
| 17:00.39 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.40 | paulswm | There may be no ops, but there's always /ignore |
| 17:00.44 | drade_ | martinjaafk: How do I check? |
| 17:00.44 | paulswm | Heh |
| 17:00.50 | initech | [daemon]: pls hlp my outlook is b0rken thnx |
| 17:00.55 | shingouz | agreed, the sweet silence :p |
| 17:00.56 | [daemon] | sh4dowcat: suck my balls |
| 17:00.56 | pureone | stereo maybe root-tail will help ? |
| 17:00.59 | simonrvn | initech: hehe |
| 17:01.10 | martinjaafk | Only for drade: http://winboot.mine.nu/ |
| 17:01.13 | joloc | i want to debootstrap sarge using multiple partitions. do i need to mount the non-rootfs partitions before debootstrap'ing? (debian installation guide says otherwise, but i ended up with everything installed on the new rootfs). |
| 17:01.18 | Phated | FFS, give up, the ops were smart enough to avoid #d. |
| 17:01.21 | hkdom | just type /ignore [daemon] is ok? i am new to irc |
| 17:01.22 | martinjaafk | If you are on linux that site wont reboot your PC |
| 17:01.24 | sh4dowcat | [daemon]: like oyu even have any |
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| 17:01.30 | Dazgard | hi |
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| 17:01.42 | martinjaafk | Hi |
| 17:01.45 | amphi | hkdom: /ignore -replies is nice |
| 17:01.46 | [daemon] | sh4dowcat: ask your momma |
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| 17:01.53 | shingouz | just stop feeding the troll, ok |
| 17:01.57 | simonrvn | martinjaafk: you just had to go and ruin the joke |
| 17:01.58 | sh4dowcat | [daemon]: ya your mom was good last night |
| 17:01.58 | Dazgard | are there an apt source for gcj 4.0 for debian please ? |
| 17:02.07 | hkdom | thx |
| 17:02.08 | initech | [daemon]: pls hlp i dont underst4nd y u wont hlp |
| 17:02.11 | Stereo | pureone: that requires a process to run in plain sight where the lusers can quit it, unfortunately |
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| 17:02.16 | [daemon] | sh4dowcat: oh so you are a necro and like to fuck with deaths |
| 17:02.24 | jim | joloc: you would have to mount the partitions in the chroot you're deboostraping |
| 17:02.27 | sh4dowcat | [daemon]: startig with yours |
| 17:02.29 | udk | initech: sh4dowcat: please, stop that :) |
| 17:02.33 | [daemon] | LOL |
| 17:02.33 | drade_ | martin: nice webpage |
| 17:02.42 | [daemon] | .oO(as i said - idiots) |
| 17:02.46 | simonrvn | at least initech is funnay |
| 17:02.48 | Phated | sh4dowcat: Er, you're rapidly descending to the same level of stupidity as he is. |
| 17:02.59 | sh4dowcat | Phated: heh |
| 17:03.04 | Gnea | sh4dowcat: do yourself a favor: /ignore |
| 17:03.06 | paulswm | Yes, initech is funny, don't stop him |
| 17:03.14 | joloc | jim: thanks. (maybe this should be clarified in the installation guide.) |
| 17:03.15 | sh4dowcat | hah |
| 17:03.20 | RichiH | [daemon]: please stop |
| 17:03.20 | initech | [daemon]: pls hlp my palm is n0t interf4cing with my outlook and the necro doesn't w0rk |
| 17:03.23 | simonrvn | i call it counter-troll |
| 17:03.31 | drade_ | 'nuff is this shit |
| 17:03.31 | jim | then you debootstrap, unmount, copy the chroot content to your real root partition, set up fstab, arrange to boot |
| 17:03.35 | [daemon] | have a lot of fun ... lamers |
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| 17:03.44 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 17:03.44 | Phated | initech: So are you, TBPH. |
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| 17:03.47 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 17:04.11 | rumpl | when i type @ in a term and tab, the term gives me lots of bizzare stuff, actually everything that i have in my /etc/hosts, anyone can tell me what it is or how do i use it |
| 17:04.13 | sh4dowcat | heh three clones |
| 17:04.19 | sh4dowcat | figures |
| 17:04.24 | martinja | jim were you talking to me? |
| 17:04.35 | paulswm | Gnea: Oh, go on, crack a smile :) |
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| 17:04.52 | Gnea | paulswm: Josephine :) |
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| 17:05.16 | jim | joloc: maybe, but perhaps it would be TMI |
| 17:05.28 | joloc | jim: TMI? |
| 17:05.34 | Gnea | !tmi |
| 17:05.34 | dpkg | i heard tmi is too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island |
| 17:05.39 | jim | Too Much Information |
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| 17:06.45 | Unskill3d | how do i execute a command as other user in bash ? |
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| 17:06.57 | Phated | Unskill3d: su <username> |
| 17:06.57 | initech | Unskill3d: "su" |
| 17:07.11 | Unskill3d | i the same line ? |
| 17:07.15 | rumpl | Unskill3d, if you have the password |
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| 17:07.24 | rumpl | when i type @ in a term and tab, the term gives me lots of bizzare stuff, actually everything that i have in my /etc/hosts, anyone can tell me what it is or how do i use it |
| 17:07.29 | njanja | Is this a good place to download the install CD from: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ ? As well, there are 14 different files I could download there, are they all the same? |
| 17:07.49 | Unskill3d | cuz im on root and want to lunch 1 command as a user. and therefore i dont want to logout as root |
| 17:07.51 | Gnea | rumpl: that's bash completion |
| 17:07.58 | Phated | Unskill3d: So... su <username>. |
| 17:07.59 | jim | Unskill3d: generally you can't do that unless you own the machine |
| 17:07.59 | crylyx | which package contains the aclocal command? |
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| 17:08.09 | jim | lunch... hmm, that's a good idea :) |
| 17:08.19 | simonrvn | crylyx: automake |
| 17:08.20 | rumpl | yes i know but how can i use the thing that he is showing me Gnea ??? |
| 17:08.21 | jim | crylyx: autoconf? |
| 17:08.26 | shingouz | njanja: you need the first iso out of there if you are going to install the system over the network |
| 17:08.28 | crylyx | thanks |
| 17:08.31 | rumpl | it's like @localhost |
| 17:08.31 | simonrvn | oh yeh, autoconf. sorry |
| 17:08.37 | Unskill3d | ok thx |
| 17:08.47 | Gnea | rumpl: i don't know what he's showing you |
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| 17:09.32 | rumpl | well type @ and tab and you'll see everything that you have in your /etc/hosts file Gnea but i dont know how can i use all this |
| 17:09.47 | simonrvn | uh, mine term isn't that fucked |
| 17:09.50 | Gnea | doesn't work for me |
| 17:09.53 | simonrvn | s/mine/my/ |
| 17:10.14 | rumpl | i have a wterm... Gnea |
| 17:10.29 | Gnea | rumpl: that runs bash, it doesn't matter |
| 17:10.31 | rumpl | xterm is doing the same thing |
| 17:10.35 | simonrvn | sounds like termcap/terminfo is fubar |
| 17:10.42 | Gnea | probably |
| 17:10.46 | rumpl | yes bur why don;t you have it??? Gnea |
| 17:10.50 | simonrvn | or you have some weird binding set |
| 17:10.51 | MacSbizZ | works for me |
| 17:10.58 | Gnea | because i don't |
| 17:10.59 | Dazgard | please, can someone tell me where i can get gcj 4 for debian please ? |
| 17:10.59 | Gnea | LOL |
| 17:11.11 | MacSbizZ | and i am on a mac:) |
| 17:11.21 | rumpl | lol |
| 17:11.22 | crylyx | svn question: aclocal: configure.in: 0: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library - getting this error when trying to run 'autogen.sh' from fluxbox subversion. what can fix this? |
| 17:11.25 | njanja | shingouz: thanks, I kinda want to install a desktop version, for this comp. I had the net install/minimal install cd, and I could not get X working. Does that 1st cd come with gnome? |
| 17:11.32 | jim | Dazgard: look for a backport if it's not available... OR compile it yourself |
| 17:11.35 | Gnea | hacamac |
| 17:11.47 | simonrvn | crylyx: you're missing build deps. apt-get build-dep package |
| 17:11.55 | rumpl | MacSbizZ,have you any idea how to use this??? |
| 17:12.07 | MacSbizZ | use what? |
| 17:12.21 | MacSbizZ | tab compleation? |
| 17:12.22 | rumpl | @blahblah the thing with the tabulation |
| 17:12.24 | rumpl | yes |
| 17:12.27 | jim | rumpl: what exactly are you trying to accomplish |
| 17:12.42 | crylyx | simonrvn: 'package' should be the package i am trying to build (fluxbox) or something else? |
| 17:12.48 | simonrvn | rumpl: dude, your term is fucked. look at your shell rc files, fix your terminfo, or see if there's other stuff messing it up |
| 17:12.49 | shingouz | njanja: you can use it as a network install and pull whatever you like off the net. 'X does not work' is not really a good enough description but with some additional information X can be made to work |
| 17:12.54 | rumpl | to use the things that the term is giving me when i type @ and tab jim |
| 17:12.55 | jim | crylyx: right |
| 17:13.10 | jim | rumpl: why? what is your goal? |
| 17:13.12 | zinosat | Hi, how can I compute md5sum of the dvd where I burnt Sarge? k3b said it was wrong... i'd like to double check it |
| 17:13.16 | simonrvn | crylyx: package name. e.g., fluxbpox. why in the hell are you building it anyway? |
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| 17:13.27 | rumpl | simonrvn, no it works fine, it's all the struff from /etc/hosts surely i can use it somehow |
| 17:13.30 | simonrvn | crylyx: err, fluxbox even |
| 17:13.31 | jim | zinosat: md5sum |
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| 17:13.35 | Gnea | zinosat: reboot it and see if it works or not |
| 17:13.36 | MacSbizZ | rumple: your high go smoke some more |
| 17:13.47 | Gnea | lol |
| 17:13.55 | zinosat | Gnea, it could be just a few files... |
| 17:14.00 | rumpl | jim, well just to use it and understand it |
| 17:14.01 | simonrvn | FFS |
| 17:14.16 | jim | rumpl: I've never seen or heard of this @ thing |
| 17:14.17 | rumpl | MacSbizZ, i wish... |
| 17:14.19 | crylyx | simonrvn: build-dep didnt work out. im building svn, because there is a font problem in 0.9.13 using unicode locales. |
| 17:14.22 | simonrvn | i bet he set some stupid alias in .bashrc and forgot about it |
| 17:14.24 | Gnea | zinosat: could be, but if it's already written then it's no big loss then huh :) |
| 17:14.26 | zinosat | jim, is it equivalent of running md5sum over the iso img? |
| 17:14.27 | rumpl | have you tried it jim ??? |
| 17:14.33 | Pryon | zinosat: mount the DVD, then 'md5sum /dev/<devicename>' |
| 17:14.45 | jim | rumpl: echo $SHELL |
| 17:14.48 | rumpl | simonrvn, no stupid aliases in my .bashrc file |
| 17:15.03 | Dazgard | jim: i'm running a sid system |
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| 17:15.17 | rumpl | /bin/bash |
| 17:15.21 | MacSbizZ | rumple: wish in one hand and shit in the other and see witch one fills up faster |
| 17:15.30 | rumpl | lol |
| 17:15.38 | crylyx | simonrvn: still getting: aclocal: configure.in: 0: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library |
| 17:15.42 | Dazgard | gcj 4 should be avaible, but i can get it in the standard sources |
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| 17:15.46 | zinosat | Pryon, cool, I thought computing it over iso img and over /dev/dvddevice would bring diferent results |
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| 17:15.48 | jim | Dazgard: and in so doing you're risking significant data loss among many other things... you willing to take that risk? |
| 17:15.48 | fake | i just installed amule on sid. The font in amule is horrible. How can I change it? |
| 17:15.54 | samuel | sup all |
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| 17:16.07 | simonrvn | crylyx: should be in one of the gtk dev packages... |
| 17:16.11 | rumpl | MacSbizZ, it's not rumple but rumpl |
| 17:16.15 | jim | Dazgard: if so... cool :) help us find bugs |
| 17:16.17 | Dazgard | jim: data loss, running unstable ? |
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| 17:16.24 | Pryon | rumpl: bash uses '@' to do hostname expansion |
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| 17:16.35 | jim | Dazgard: what does unstable mean, anyway? :) |
| 17:16.41 | rumpl | Pryon, and ... |
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| 17:16.52 | simonrvn | @cluebat rumpl |
| 17:16.56 | Dazgard | jim: i've been on unsstable for more than 5 years :) |
| 17:17.01 | samuel | do i need to compile my own kernel for framebuffer support? |
| 17:17.01 | Shadda_ | hey |
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| 17:17.06 | Pryon | rumpl: So when you type '@' and hit tab bash gives you all the hostnames it knows |
| 17:17.12 | joloc | jim: not sure i fully understand. i am operating from an old debian partition. say the new sarge root is on hda2, mounted on /mnt. then: 1. debootstrap on /mnt. 2. chroot to /mnt. 3. edit fstab. 4. mount -a. 5. move stuff from /usr on hda2 to the usr partition, and likewise for other partitions. would this work? |
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| 17:17.26 | samuel | Dazgard, unstable according to debian... more stable than most |
| 17:17.28 | Shadda_ | i just installed sarge basesystem, got my network card working, but usually when I want to jumpstart a connection i do ifconfig eth0 up | pump -i eth0 |
| 17:17.33 | Pryon | rumpl: it's just like filename expansion for your cwd |
| 17:17.35 | jim | Dazgard: you do realize that it's going to get MUCH more unstable since it's no longer moreorless tracking sarge? |
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| 17:17.45 | Shadda_ | but the basesystem doesn't have pump |
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| 17:17.50 | Shadda_ | what should I do instead? |
| 17:17.51 | rumpl | what is that supposed to mean??? |
| 17:17.56 | jim | samuel: not guaranteed |
| 17:17.56 | Dazgard | samuel: true ;) |
| 17:17.57 | nvz | Shadda_: dhclient |
| 17:17.59 | Gnea | Shadda_: dhclient |
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| 17:18.05 | samuel | jim, ill chance it |
| 17:18.06 | Shadda_ | k, sec |
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| 17:18.11 | jim | rumpl: info bash |
| 17:18.11 | crylyx | simonrvn: it was libgtk1.2-dev. now i get a dependecy problem again: configure.in: 617: `automake requires `AM_CONFIG_HEADER', not `AC_CONFIG_HEADER'. any idea? |
| 17:18.12 | Dazgard | more than mdk :D |
| 17:18.15 | Dazgard | lol |
| 17:18.21 | samuel | lol |
| 17:18.21 | nvz | Shadda_: pump is a piece of shit that doesnt conform to standards distributed redhat based distros |
| 17:18.26 | HeavenWarrior | hi i've an apt-get problems caused in that - i'm with debian sarge, gnome 2-8, when i put in sources.list -'unstable' packages and make apt-get dist-upgrade - some packages from gnome updates, but some not and i've dependencies problems - where's my mistake |
| 17:18.28 | Shadda_ | excellent |
| 17:18.29 | Shadda_ | thanks all |
| 17:18.31 | jim | rumpl: and look at all the other stuff you can use too |
| 17:18.59 | Shadda_ | nvz: It comes with woody, actuallly (and, knoppix...don't lynch me!) |
| 17:19.02 | simonrvn | crylyx: go read a compiling howto or tutorial. see the new maintainer's guide at www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 17:19.06 | HeavenWarrior | maybe i'm destined to use always gnome-2.8 |
| 17:19.06 | Dazgard | ok, i'll try to compile my self :s |
| 17:19.09 | jim | HeavenWarrior: mixing sarge and unstable is NOT recommended and especially NOT supported |
| 17:19.16 | nvz | HeavenWarrior: your mistake lies in upgrading to unstable without having a clue |
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| 17:19.27 | HeavenWarrior | jim ok |
| 17:19.31 | HeavenWarrior | but i wanna use gnome2-10 |
| 17:19.41 | rumpl | jim, i guess that will be faster than to try to get help here.. :) |
| 17:19.42 | nvz | HeavenWarrior: unstable means shit could be badly broken at any time, its for experenced users to test the software and report bugs |
| 17:19.44 | jim | you can build it yourself if you want |
| 17:19.52 | njanja | shingouz: thanks, I will install 1st cd from there, and then see from there how it works out. |
| 17:19.57 | jim | rumpl: -yes-, and in so many ways. |
| 17:19.58 | Pryon | rumpl: Do 'man bash', search for 'Completing', and read the first entry under that heading. |
| 17:20.17 | Pryon | And if you want spoonfeeding, try mom. |
| 17:20.26 | shingouz | njanja: read the install manual before you start |
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| 17:20.43 | nvz | HeavenWarrior: unless you are a Debian Developer, or gnome developer, you have no reason to be testing gnome 2.10 in debian. higher version numbers isnt always better. |
| 17:20.49 | jim | rumpl: you have no goal other than learning (which is good for you!), and so I can only suggest existing resources. |
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| 17:21.15 | jim | rumpl: but because you have no goal, there's no way to help you to reach it |
| 17:21.20 | hunger | Is there a place where I can find out about what is planned for Etch? |
| 17:21.29 | jim | bletch! |
| 17:21.37 | njanja | shingouz: ok, maybe that is what I need to read, I managed an install, but it wasnt as good as I want it to be. Ill read that, thanks. |
| 17:21.45 | jim | what's planned for etch is such a stretch! |
| 17:21.46 | rumpl | jim, my goal is to learn to use it and to understand what that is that's a good goal i think no? |
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| 17:21.57 | zdom | i am new to irc, anyone know how can i save the /nick and /join #debian then I don't have to type each time while starting bitchx? |
| 17:22.10 | hikenboot | hello all anyone know any utilities for recovering cdroms? |
| 17:22.12 | shingouz | njanja: be smart and install just a console system at first, you can get all the blingbling you want later after the first boot |
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| 17:22.15 | nvz | hunger: what do you think is planned for etch? its unstable cloned, and we will spend the next few years debugging it to be released as the next stable release |
| 17:22.25 | jim | rumpl: that's fine... but the thing is, that means we would become your tutor, and that's not gonna happen any time soon :) |
| 17:22.44 | jim | I'll even say that's an excellent goal |
| 17:22.50 | pureone | zdom .bitchrc |
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| 17:23.04 | Phated | rumpl: Obviously, to use it you hit @ and then tab-tab. You already know what it is - every entry in /etc/hosts. |
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| 17:23.07 | Caldis | hi. my problem concerns apt-get and i wrote it here http://rafb.net/paste/results/88gPEz34.nln.html i would appreciate some help :) |
| 17:23.08 | rumpl | jim, no not a tutor, just a little hint or anything, but it seem you don't know what it is either... |
| 17:23.10 | njanja | shingouz: I got that far, easy. But, then I apt-setup, update, and install gnome, but when I boot, it does not go to gdm, and when I try startx it tried to open one of the x files, and could nto find it. |
| 17:23.18 | hunger | nvz: So no changes like gcc/python/... transitions? |
| 17:23.20 | rumpl | Phated, yes |
| 17:23.29 | zdom | pureone thx |
| 17:23.30 | jim | rumpl: go look at the hints that exist in the resource I gave you!! |
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| 17:23.40 | HeavenWarrior | i'm gonna re-install debian ;( |
| 17:23.46 | Phated | That answers both of your questions. What else are you bugging the channel for? |
| 17:23.50 | rob_lt | I added "john ALL=ALL" to my /etc/sudoers file, and "Defaults !tty_tickets". The only other entry is "root ALL=(ALL) ALL". The problem is, I'm not being prompted for a password as user "john" |
| 17:23.51 | slept | what can cause a unable to mount rootfs kernel panic ? |
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| 17:23.56 | Azar | Caldis, read the apt primer: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 17:23.56 | nvz | hunger: its too early to tell, look at unstable or experimental.. shit flows downhill |
| 17:23.57 | shingouz | njanja: so you have it installed there right now? in that case you do not need to reinstall but we need to figure out what is happening on the system instead |
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| 17:24.12 | jim | slept: lack of existance |
| 17:24.15 | rumpl | ok jim ok see ya won't bother you anymore |
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| 17:24.24 | drac | slept: lack of boot essential support in kernel |
| 17:24.28 | Phated | slept: FS not compiled in without initrd, FS module not in initrd, weird grub or lilo config. |
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| 17:24.50 | hunger | nvz: Too early to tell whether gcc 4 will be used soonish? Or python 2.4? Both are out for a while now. |
| 17:24.59 | jim | rumpl: you will find that you will learn much faster on your own if you read think try read think try read think try repeat repeat |
| 17:25.10 | cinix | Is there a way to reinstall the save version of a package over one the same version alreayd installed? |
| 17:25.28 | MyOwnLittlWorld | i'd like to thank the guys (women?) who've helped me with debian/linux 2.6 over the last two days or so... thanks to you, I've now got my first linux install (2.6.11) working well! |
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| 17:25.28 | drac | !info gcc-4.0 |
| 17:25.29 | hunger | nvz: Or Xorg or whatnot? |
| 17:25.31 | dpkg | gcc-4.0: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4.0.0-9 (sid), Packaged size: 490 kB, Installed size: 1196 kB |
| 17:25.39 | Phated | rob_lt: It depends. Sometimes sudo doesn't ask for a password, especially if you've very recently just logged in on the same console or completed a previous sudo command within a certain timeframe. |
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| 17:25.45 | nvz | hunger: right now gcc is 3.3.5-3 and python is 2.3.5-2 in sarge, etch, and sid.. nothing of either in experimental |
| 17:25.53 | njanja | shingouz: well,:) no, I dont ahve that right now. I am about to totally rearrange what the computer looks like, for some or another reason. I am gonna try out the Sarge Debian, and I will need to install something, but I can easily get into that state describved above. Ok, when I do that, I will come here and ask. thanks. Im off to read the installation manual/breakfast/work soon too... |
| 17:26.00 | jim | take little pieces of info bash (which is much better than man bash, by miles) and try stuff you see there |
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| 17:26.05 | simonrvn | nvz: um, scroll up |
| 17:26.10 | nvz | hunger: python 2.4 was released with sarge, but separate from 2.3.5-2 |
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| 17:26.23 | rob_lt | Phated: I think that is what the !tty_tickets should stop from happening, but I haven't had to enter a password even once. |
| 17:26.23 | slept | jim, drac , Phated I checked the fs with an rescue cd - it is fine , the kernel is precompiled . what else can i look for ? |
| 17:26.24 | shingouz | njanja: ok, we'll be here |
| 17:26.30 | njanja | k. |
| 17:26.35 | nvz | hunger: I figure its because too many things that depended on python could not be changed in time, so 2.3.5-2 remained default |
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| 17:26.49 | jim | slept: lack of driver |
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| 17:27.01 | trendkill | hi |
| 17:27.01 | slept | :( |
| 17:27.06 | hunger | nvz: I know. Will you stick with 2.3 for the time being or will you start with a transition soon? |
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| 17:27.38 | hunger | nvz: All I want to find out is whether I should install debian/unstable on my new laptop or something else;-) |
| 17:27.45 | nvz | hunger: seems like from what drac pulled up gcc-4.0 is the same deal, its there, we're just not chaging the whole fucking system of 15000+ packages yet to go around it |
| 17:28.05 | shingouz | hunger: do not install unstable |
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| 17:28.09 | nvz | hunger: xorg just isnt packagd yet, /msg dpkg xorg for that |
| 17:28.18 | trendkill | do anybody knows how can I install in hungarian the sarge with 32mb ram? |
| 17:28.23 | simonrvn | hunger: clue: a lot of s/w projects need patches to build on gcc 4 successfully |
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| 17:28.39 | trendkill | i can't activate the swap... |
| 17:28.47 | hunger | nvz: I know that. But will I see all that in debian/unstable soon? |
| 17:28.50 | Nethox | cinix: have you tried apt-get --reinstall install <package> or dpkg -i <package> ? |
| 17:28.51 | nvz | hunger: gcc4 and python2.4 are in sarge, you can use them in sarge.. but the whole debian system relies on python 2.3 and gcc 3.3, so they are there, its just everything is currently built around the others |
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| 17:28.54 | simonrvn | hunger: 50+ GB of s/w repo is not going to go to gcc 4 any time soon |
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| 17:29.05 | cinix | nope, didn't see that option in apt-get --help |
| 17:29.09 | magyar | does debian provide a "helpdesk ticket" software? |
| 17:29.09 | jim | hunger: if you have at least 7-10 years experience with linux/unix, then you probably have the necessary experience to support yourself with unstable. unstable is NOT supported here |
| 17:29.23 | hunger | simonrvn: I know. Ubuntu is in the transition to gcc 4 right now. |
| 17:29.26 | simonrvn | gcc 3.4 on the other hand is rather stable and 'better' than 3.3 |
| 17:29.32 | nvz | hunger: yeah, unless you become a DD and start working very very hard, its not doing a full transition anytime soon |
| 17:29.36 | JVaughn | real men run sid (tm) |
| 17:29.39 | martinja | What do I have to add to fstab that my mounted folder is open for all users? |
| 17:29.50 | jim | magyar: lots of different ones; not sure it's in debian, but you could look into openacs |
| 17:29.51 | martinja | Or for a specific user like "martin" |
| 17:29.54 | cinix | Nethox, works great thank you |
| 17:29.57 | hunger | jim: I do have 7-10 years on debian/unstable by now;-) |
| 17:29.58 | simonrvn | martinja: man mount |
| 17:29.58 | shingouz | trendkill: did you already partition and format the drive? |
| 17:29.59 | nvz | hunger: ubuntu has different goals, and far less packages to worry about |
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| 17:30.32 | trendkill | shingouz: yes |
| 17:30.37 | jim | hunger: well then, you have sufficient experience to make the decision... |
| 17:30.38 | nvz | hunger: debian has a strict policy based system that ensures consistancy and stability throughout the development process |
| 17:30.48 | martinja | simonrvn : /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs ro,user,man mount 0 0 |
| 17:30.49 | jim | hunger: what -specifically- are you asking? |
| 17:30.49 | trendkill | shingouz: hda1: swap, hda2: reiser |
| 17:30.53 | martinja | liket that? |
| 17:30.57 | nvz | hunger: if you need this shit just because its a higher number, use ubuntu or furthermore gentoo. |
| 17:31.00 | Azar | martinja, if you like , take the time and read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 17:31.00 | cinix | 'strict' hehe |
| 17:31.03 | simonrvn | Marticus: NO. *read* man mount |
| 17:31.04 | cinix | or we whip you |
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| 17:31.19 | martinja | Thanks azar |
| 17:31.22 | simonrvn | Marticus: sorry. dmaned tab completion |
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| 17:31.25 | shingouz | trendkill: into the console (alt-F2) with you, mkswap /dev/hda1 && swapon /dev/hda1 |
| 17:31.30 | simonrvn | martinja: NO. *read* man mount |
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| 17:32.03 | paulswm | hunger: If you want an environment that always works, use stable, (testing is usually pretty good also, with rare breaks). unstable *will* break from time to time. |
| 17:32.09 | Azar | simonrvn: is that manual outdated? |
| 17:32.11 | hunger | nvz: No, I prefer that shit because I need to make sure the stuff I care about works with it. But I hate having several versions of the same stuff around. |
| 17:32.16 | martinja | I am noot understanding you simonrnvn, anyways, ill read that html. |
| 17:32.16 | trendkill | shingouz: yes, I did it, but when if I must change the language, the installer is skip this step automatically... :( |
| 17:32.22 | sgeigerbot | magyar: there are many: some I've heard of (some may not be in Debian): otrs, Mantis, roundup, gnats, bugzilla, request-tracker, rt, irm, jitterbug |
| 17:32.37 | rumpl | jim, got it, thanks and sorry for bothering you |
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| 17:32.40 | hunger | paulswm: I know. I use it for ages now. |
| 17:32.44 | sgeigerbot | magyar: http://sourceforge.net/projects/issue-tracker/ http://freshmeat.net/releases/150058/ |
| 17:32.55 | sgeigerbot | magyar: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zentrack/ |
| 17:32.58 | jim | rumpl: no problem |
| 17:33.06 | magyar | speigerbot: thanks |
| 17:33.09 | shingouz | trendkill: i am not sure what you mean now. if you did what i told you, you have swap now and the install should work as planned |
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| 17:33.36 | visik7 | hi |
| 17:33.40 | paulswm | hunger: OK, didn't know, it was not my intention to patronize you :) |
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| 17:33.52 | visik7 | what's the differences between am-utils and autofs ? |
| 17:33.55 | hunger | paulswm: I know... I used debian/unstable for years. |
| 17:34.02 | hunger | paulswm: No problem. |
| 17:34.16 | trendkill | shingouz: yes, but it dosn't work, and i can't change the language... |
| 17:34.27 | sgeigerbot | magyar: debbugs |
| 17:34.28 | mortum | someone kwonks a repository for openoffice in amd64? |
| 17:34.40 | shingouz | trendkill: can you install while in english? the language can be changed later |
| 17:34.48 | mortum | someone know a repository for openoffice in amd64? |
| 17:34.52 | MrBallZ | sup sup, g-morning every1 |
| 17:34.54 | nvz | hunger: well do you understand that 15000 packages in debian depend on gcc 3.3.5-2, and probably 5000 or so depend on python 2.3.5-2, and even if all those could work with python 2.4 and gcc4 just changing the package info and repackaging them when maintainers to packages is 1:100 or so still, isnt going to happen anytime soon. Futhermore we dont need you in here whining about things you dont really need done, and dont want to help with. If you c |
| 17:35.02 | trendkill | shingouz: and how can i change it later? |
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| 17:35.12 | paulswm | !every1 |
| 17:35.13 | shingouz | trendkill: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:35.17 | paulswm | :( |
| 17:35.20 | Azar | hunger, maybe you have acquired the skill in detecting and fixing problems generated by unstable, myself I reinstall at the first bork I encounter, I am not good in finding and fixing problems |
| 17:35.28 | MrBallZ | question , I want to make two programs start when I log into KDE , how can I do this ,, programs are, aMSN and Gmail Notifier .... |
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| 17:35.32 | jim | depend? they don't depend on gcc; they were merely compiled with gcc |
| 17:35.35 | takatumi | nvz: relax dude. |
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| 17:35.40 | nvz | hunger: we are not in a race for higher version numbers, thats gentoo, two doors down on the left. Debian is about stability, consistancy, and freedom across all archs |
| 17:35.47 | joloc | jim: sorry... you said: mount the other partitions "in the chroot" (e.g. /mnt/newinstall), then debootstrap. i presume you didn't mean to chroot before the debootstrap? |
| 17:35.49 | CharleyS | aMSN ? WTF is that ? |
| 17:35.50 | joloc | jim: did you mean to mount the other partitions on top of /mnt/newinstall, then debootstrap, then chroot? |
| 17:35.54 | trendkill | shingouz: thanks, I try it |
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| 17:35.58 | nvz | takatumi: I am calm as a bomb |
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| 17:36.07 | Azar | Debian stable logo: reliability, stability, security. |
| 17:36.11 | takatumi | nvz: it's almost evident ;) |
| 17:36.12 | hunger | nvz: That is why I like debian:-) |
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| 17:36.16 | MrBallZ | CharleyS : its a MSN Messenger clone ... |
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| 17:36.31 | CharleyS | does it do web cam ? I want an app that does |
| 17:36.34 | nvz | takatumi: its just annoying to hear people wanding new gcc, new python, new gnome, new kde.. and they have no idea the work it takes and what our goals here are |
| 17:36.38 | shingouz | trendkill: i hope it works. "odd" languages like hungarian, finnish etc are not necessarily very well debugged yet but the english should work |
| 17:36.49 | codec | hello, I'm currently trying to "debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /mnt/debian ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian", but it bails out with: I: Validating libgcrypt11 -- E: Couldn't download libgcrypt7. Any way around this? |
| 17:36.50 | jim | joloc: no, I mean that before you chroot, you have to establish the mounts in the chroot beforehand, exactly as they will be in the real install |
| 17:36.54 | hunger | nvz: All I was asking what mayor changes are to be expected now that sarge is out of the door. |
| 17:36.55 | nvz | takatumi: I;d like to set them straight or send them to somewhere people think they way they do asap |
| 17:36.55 | takatumi | nvz: yeah right. :) |
| 17:37.01 | MrBallZ | CharleyS , nope it doesnt, but its pretty much very good clone |
| 17:37.03 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Because you are da bomb, man. |
| 17:37.09 | jim | and before you debootstrap too |
| 17:37.09 | nvz | hunger: nothing that isnt driven by man power |
| 17:37.15 | CharleyS | Ballz, are there any ? |
| 17:37.20 | trendkill | shingouz: thanks! |
| 17:37.20 | MrBallZ | so ... how can I make 2 apps start up, when I log int oKDE ? |
| 17:37.22 | paulswm | !sedate nvz |
| 17:37.24 | nvz | hunger: its a slow moving train right now and we're going uphill |
| 17:37.25 | hunger | nvz: And whether I could read up on the plans. |
| 17:37.34 | nvz | hunger: plans are what you think they are |
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| 17:37.45 | jim | I start two apps in the morning... |
| 17:37.45 | MrBallZ | CharleyS , don't know man ... |
| 17:37.46 | sgeigerbot | nvz: I've been in Texas MANY times so far this year. |
| 17:37.49 | nvz | hunger: migrating to gcc4, python 2.4, xorg, gnome 2.10.. blah blah blah |
| 17:37.50 | jim | I start two apps at night... |
| 17:37.51 | takatumi | hunger: subscribe to the debian-devel and other related mailing lists. |
| 17:38.00 | jim | I start two apps in the afternoon... |
| 17:38.01 | nvz | sgeigerbot: I am back home now :P |
| 17:38.06 | jim | you know it feels alright |
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| 17:38.11 | sgeigerbot | nvz: where's that? |
| 17:38.12 | pureone | mrballz http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docs/en/faq.php#startup |
| 17:38.16 | visik7 | anyone use automount ? |
| 17:38.19 | MrBallZ | jim: but , how to make them load after i log into kde ... |
| 17:38.26 | sgeigerbot | visik7: Is anyone using that software? Yes...or very likely...or otherwise you wouldn't be trying to use it. Why are you conducting a software-usage poll instead of just asking your question? Are you asking to ask? Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. |
| 17:38.28 | MrBallZ | pureone : thanks , let me check it ... |
| 17:38.33 | jim | I never ran kde before |
| 17:38.39 | hunger | takatumi: Too many ubuntu-bashing/praising posts there just to find out what is going on;-) |
| 17:38.52 | jim | but I start two apps in time of peace, and two in time of war... |
| 17:39.02 | nvz | sgeigerbot: Leetsdale mofukka :P |
| 17:39.12 | jim | I start two apps after starting two apps,,, and then I start two more! |
| 17:39.15 | papa | I need help but a some time ago I pasted a few lines and I was banned, could anyone help me with this. |
| 17:39.18 | paulswm | jim: HAHA |
| 17:39.20 | takatumi | hunger: bashing and flaming is part of it, a google search on the lists may help. |
| 17:39.27 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Right-o, Scotty. |
| 17:39.27 | visik7 | what's the differences between am-utils and autofs ? |
| 17:39.31 | nvz | haha |
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| 17:40.00 | Karnaugh | what is "Secure authentication" in thunderbird? |
| 17:40.00 | paulswm | papa: describe your problem, then if someone responds, arrage to paste in flood, or /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:40.06 | Karnaugh | SSL works fine by that doesnt |
| 17:40.22 | Karnaugh | just wondering if SSL is enough to secure login details on IMAP |
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| 17:40.26 | jim | which just goes to show, my tolerance of apps is too high, and I'll have to move on to heavier apps |
| 17:40.29 | Karnaugh | (Courier MTA) |
| 17:40.31 | codec | I'm currently debootstrapping but it bails out with "E: Couldn't download libgcrypt7". I'm using the ftp.de.debian.org mirror. |
| 17:40.37 | cinix | Karnaugh, SSL is better then plaintext at least |
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| 17:40.48 | cinix | I don't think there are many other options though |
| 17:40.59 | cinix | unless you maybe create a vpn and require users to tunnel in first |
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| 17:41.20 | jim | codec: debootstrapping what, sid? |
| 17:41.24 | codec | sarge |
| 17:41.32 | takatumi | codec: which version of debootstrap? |
| 17:41.33 | marstewel | Karnaugh: make use of port knocking prior authentification is possible at all ;) |
| 17:41.33 | jim | wow, that should work fine |
| 17:41.37 | nvz | hunger: seriously though if you want to stay up to date, read things like DWN and the mailing lists, there are devel-announce, and gcc specific mailing lists you can get one, and if you really need the shit, start working on it.. its the easiest way to know whats going on |
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| 17:41.49 | Karnaugh | marstewel: huh? |
| 17:41.52 | impulze | heh WW981 |
| 17:42.12 | codec | takatumi: I cant find a version number. |
| 17:42.13 | Karnaugh | well, I'm on a wireless connection :/ so i just need to be sure SSL is like "moderately good enough" |
| 17:42.23 | codec | takatumi: propably 3.0 |
| 17:42.25 | Karnaugh | I suppose i could just tcpdump and see |
| 17:42.27 | nvz | hunger: you know where debian is headed, it just isnt getting there anytime soon without more help. Every release which takes about 2-3 years the archive of code more than doubles, and the rate of help isnt clibing nearly as quick |
| 17:42.30 | hunger | nvz: I do. I just assumed there was some webpage with a short summary of where debian is heading. |
| 17:42.31 | codec | takatumi: from woody I meant |
| 17:42.43 | marstewel | Karnaugh: not secured WLAN? |
| 17:42.57 | takatumi | codec: use newer versions, the old ones may have problems. |
| 17:43.01 | Karnaugh | marstewel: no, I dont controll the hop |
| 17:43.06 | marstewel | ouch |
| 17:43.11 | marstewel | that sucks ;) |
| 17:43.14 | takatumi | codec: preferably use the latest one. |
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| 17:43.25 | hunger | nvz: I think I am not the only one with these kind of questinons... and helping is difficult without some idea where things are heading. |
| 17:43.28 | takatumi | !info debootstrap |
| 17:43.29 | jim | hunger: but debian is probably heading in as many directions as there are packages and dds |
| 17:43.30 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.45-0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 17:43.32 | paulswm | nvz: Well it's hard to become a DD now, especially as part of the process seems to be more connected with who you know rather than your ability. |
| 17:43.32 | Karnaugh | marstewel: I put all my other stuff over SSH tunnel... |
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| 17:43.55 | mikaEL` | In debian sarge I have tried to change the resolution in X by using xf86config (it generates /etc/XF86Config) but it seems nothing changes ... I tried the vesa and nv drivers .. I changed even to 640x480 but it X remains stucked at 800x600 ... |
| 17:44.05 | takatumi | codec: dpkg -l debootstrap to check the version. |
| 17:44.07 | marstewel | Karnaugh: good idea... |
| 17:44.21 | nvz | paulswm: yeah well it has to be that way. if you are serious you will find someone in the mentor program |
| 17:44.31 | Sess[] | no one has any ideas on how to fix opengl distortion under the mouse cursor? |
| 17:44.33 | jim | or you could just upgrade it... aptitude install debootstrap |
| 17:44.34 | codec | takatumi: 0.2.45 |
| 17:44.40 | shingouz | mikaEL`: /msg dpkg xmd5sum, /msg dpkg drxx, /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 17:44.49 | nvz | paulswm: and its not like the trade shows and conferences are held in secrecy either |
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| 17:45.00 | takatumi | codec: was that all? |
| 17:45.14 | codec | takatumi: no, but thats te versionnumber |
| 17:45.34 | jim | debootstrap 0.2.45-0.2 |
| 17:45.35 | takatumi | codec: not 0.2.45-0.2? |
| 17:45.47 | jim | so two nmus |
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| 17:45.54 | codec | takatumi: it's a rescue system from my colocater. booted from the nic |
| 17:46.04 | jim | and the maintainer hasn't ever uploaded that version |
| 17:46.04 | paulswm | nvz: the whole thing feels too cliquey unfortunately, that tends to keep me at a distance. But that's just me, and I'm pefectly willing to admit that I may be wrong. |
| 17:46.06 | nvz | hunger: that would be extra work.. which you could do, if you wanted to pool all the sources.. but xorg status info comes from the people working on it, gcc status info comes from the people working on that.. |
| 17:46.09 | micha | join #bxl-ffii |
| 17:46.25 | nvz | hunger: dpkg has a url for xorg status info /msg dpkg xorg |
| 17:46.26 | jim | !ops micha troll |
| 17:46.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: micha troll |
| 17:46.38 | nvz | hunger: and gcc seems like the mailing list would be the best source for info on that |
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| 17:47.07 | nvz | hunger: with things like interpreters and compilers the status on them depends also on the status of all dependant packages, their developers, and maintainers |
| 17:47.18 | Sess[] | Helix is awesome, new version just released |
| 17:47.18 | hunger | nvz: XSF is not really verbose on what they are planning on their page. I did find the gcc announcement in the meantime. |
| 17:47.25 | Azar | jim, do I need to have a firewall installed and running in Debian Sarge? |
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| 17:47.34 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: Where do NTP reference times ultimately come from? |
| 17:47.46 | jim | Azar: no, it's not required... |
| 17:47.47 | codec | takatumi: can I just exclude the lib from the debootstrap or will that break things? |
| 17:47.53 | Azar | thanks jim |
| 17:47.59 | jim | kingsley_: ntp time servers |
| 17:48.01 | takatumi | codec: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap install that one, try again, check bts if you haven't already, file a bug if there are none etc. |
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| 17:48.17 | black13 | what is fakeroot |
| 17:48.18 | caphuso | jim: wtf? are you on crack? |
| 17:48.19 | kingsley_ | jim: Yes, but, where do ntp time servers get their times from? |
| 17:48.22 | takatumi | codec: haven't tried it. |
| 17:48.53 | nvz | paulswm: if I could stay in one place for awhile, get me a car that runs, instead of a bunch that dont, and become somewhat finacially stable.. I would get more involved.. but so far comming here and using the software is about all I can do :P |
| 17:48.54 | Azar | black13, I think is a way to operate root commands without being root |
| 17:48.56 | jim | kingsley_: the strata-1 time servers have radio clocks or atomic clocks or some hardware reference clock attached |
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| 17:48.58 | takatumi | codec: I have tried debootstrap but haven't tried excluding libs. |
| 17:49.13 | kingsley_ | jim: OK, thanks. |
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| 17:49.35 | nvz | paulswm: I want to get back into technology, and I want to be going to trade shows and conferences, I just dont have the means :P |
| 17:50.07 | codec | cant download libgnutls10 aswell. |
| 17:50.09 | codec | damn |
| 17:50.29 | black13 | Azar, then its not a specialized kind of chroot |
| 17:50.31 | jim | maybe you need a different mirror? |
| 17:50.41 | jim | or maybe you have the package name misspelled? |
| 17:50.54 | codec | jim: I've tried all kind of mirrors already |
| 17:51.02 | paulswm | nvz: Yeah, I sympathize buddy |
| 17:51.05 | nvz | paulswm: I can help newbies, and push the ambitious :) |
| 17:51.09 | jim | so maybe the package isn't available in sarge? |
| 17:51.17 | jim | at least not by that spelling? |
| 17:51.20 | mikaEL` | Is there a possible way to boot in Debian without autoloading X (gdm) .. I want to boot in cosole only |
| 17:51.20 | Azar | black13, I have never used fakeroot, but this is the way I understand that fakeroot is for, allows you to operate as su, someone correct me if I misunderstand |
| 17:51.24 | jim | tried packages.debian.org? |
| 17:51.28 | codec | well I'll just try and install debootstrap manually now, since apt isnt working on that rescue system |
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| 17:51.51 | _daniel_ | If I have a file/executable in /usr/bin/Acrobat/bin and want to have it in /usr/bin cause /usr/bin is in $PATH, but cant move the binary is there a way on creating a ln ? |
| 17:51.52 | codec | what was the command to unpack a deb? |
| 17:51.54 | nvz | ... and weed out the useless |
| 17:52.06 | Azar | !fakeroot |
| 17:52.06 | dpkg | methinks fakeroot is a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
| 17:52.17 | jim | codec: a .deb is a .ar containing a text file and two .tar.gz files |
| 17:52.24 | majortool | how do i run debconf with the frontend that it uses when you first run debian? |
| 17:52.34 | codec | jim: thanks |
| 17:52.43 | Nethox | majortool: baseconfig |
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| 17:53.08 | jim | codec: also dpkg has an unpack command, I think (dpkg --help) |
| 17:53.19 | Nethox | majortool: sorry, base-config |
| 17:53.20 | marstewel | codec: dpkg -x ... |
| 17:53.39 | marstewel | codc: dpkg -x <filename> <directory to extract to> |
| 17:54.01 | codec | marstewel: thanks |
| 17:54.03 | impulze | j tar xdebvf |
| 17:54.06 | impulze | tar xdebvf |
| 17:54.46 | marstewel | codec: if you actually want to extract the package (with the different .tar.gz files) use ar |
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| 17:54.59 | jim | impulze: that shoulnd't work for extracting .debs |
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| 17:55.29 | codec | damn I dont have write access to /usr, argh |
| 17:55.35 | impulze | jim, of course it does |
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| 17:56.08 | titi_wifi | hello, someone can tell me what is it "can't get rgb24 data" and how I repair it ? |
| 17:56.17 | jim | impulze: tar is not ar |
| 17:56.23 | nvz | heh |
| 17:56.27 | codec | debootstrapping woody now, and then updating to sarge |
| 17:56.31 | codec | maybe that helps |
| 17:56.31 | impulze | jim, of course it is |
| 17:56.37 | marstewel | nopes |
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| 17:56.53 | quadrata | boing |
| 17:56.55 | nvz | titi_wifi: no, why don't you just show us the error (in #flood or pastebin if its more than one line as according to /topic) |
| 17:57.02 | impulze | boing! |
| 17:57.06 | quadrata | impulze: vroom! |
| 17:57.09 | impulze | *vrooooOOOMMMMmm VrooooOMMM* |
| 17:57.19 | martinja | how do I add specific uids to fstab? is it uid=1000, or ? |
| 17:57.29 | martinja | assuming 1000 is the uid |
| 17:57.31 | impulze | martinja, man mount |
| 17:57.32 | jim | impulze: I'm looking right at the man page and it's not. in particular, -d is DELETE. |
| 17:57.41 | nvz | titi_wifi: some context wouldnt hurt either |
| 17:57.49 | impulze | jim, you don't know about tar xdebvf |
| 17:57.51 | jim | !ops troll impulze |
| 17:57.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: troll impulze |
| 17:58.16 | quadrata | jim: what does !ops do? |
| 17:58.26 | caphuso | right now it is annoying me |
| 17:58.27 | black13 | sometimes perfection is a real pain the ass |
| 17:58.30 | jim | look for yourself :P |
| 17:58.37 | impulze | i got trolled |
| 17:58.40 | impulze | geez |
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| 17:58.47 | caphuso | jim: if you don't stop abusing !ops right now, i'm, going to quiet you |
| 17:58.52 | quadrata | impulze: !! |
| 17:58.54 | caphuso | last warning. take it seriously |
| 17:58.58 | quadrata | impulze: untroll untroll! |
| 17:58.58 | paulswm | o.O |
| 17:59.01 | snagnbytz | can anyone answer a question as to what is wrong with deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
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| 17:59.06 | impulze | lol :) |
| 17:59.07 | jim | you might as well do it now. |
| 17:59.07 | nvz | impulze: tar has no option 'e' and the options 'd' and 'b' have nothing to do with what they were talking about. Please do not troll people who need help and are offering it |
| 17:59.13 | quadrata | impulze: looks like jim is trolling too |
| 17:59.25 | impulze | nvz, ok nvm :) |
| 17:59.29 | martinja | what is the keyboard shortcut to search in vim? |
| 17:59.33 | paulswm | It's the weekend, this place is on it's normal downhill course |
| 17:59.33 | nvz | (: |
| 17:59.39 | quadrata | martinja: / |
| 17:59.41 | impulze | martinja, / |
| 17:59.43 | jim | because I decide how I handle people; I -formally- ask to be banned immediately if that is not ok. |
| 17:59.56 | jim | then you lose a -damn- good helper. |
| 17:59.59 | nvz | who needs ops when I am around (: |
| 18:00.08 | quadrata | ban! |
| 18:00.09 | martinja | thanks |
| 18:00.11 | quadrata | yikes |
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| 18:00.21 | papa | yesterday I upgrade from woody (old stable) to sarge (new stable). I upgrade according release note for debian and all was Ok. But now I have a problem if I install kernel-image-2.4.27. Could anyone help me? |
| 18:00.22 | snagnbytz | I have a question regarding apt-file update |
| 18:00.33 | snagnbytz | is there someone that can help me with it |
| 18:00.40 | impulze | snagnbytz, just shoot |
| 18:00.43 | snagnbytz | ok |
| 18:00.44 | impulze | don't ask to ask |
| 18:00.46 | snagnbytz | when i run apt-file update |
| 18:00.49 | impulze | that's lame |
| 18:00.59 | marstewel | papa: just ask |
| 18:01.00 | _daniel_ | How do I permanently add a folder to $PATH ? |
| 18:01.04 | fake | i just installed amule on sid. The font in amule is horrible. How can I change it? |
| 18:01.04 | Phated | Using enter as punctuation is lame, too. |
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| 18:01.07 | snagnbytz | i get 404 for all of them |
| 18:01.07 | impulze | there's no folder _daniel_ |
| 18:01.14 | impulze | it's a directory _daniel_ |
| 18:01.21 | impulze | export PATH=$PATH:/your/path |
| 18:01.22 | jim | since I'm not banned, I assume that you accept my terms |
| 18:01.23 | nvz | jim: don't get self rightous on us now. pretend you're as high as impulze |
| 18:01.24 | snagnbytz | but using apt-get update works fine and the 404 doesn't come up |
| 18:01.37 | _daniel_ | impulze, i did that, but once i close the shell its vanished |
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| 18:01.48 | impulze | _daniel_, see .bashrc or /etc/profile |
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| 18:01.54 | takatumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.05 | kingsley_ | jim: Do you happen to know if radio clocks receive their time from an atomic clock? |
| 18:02.05 | Phated | _daniel_: In .bashrc, include the line export PATH=$PATH:<extra dirs> |
| 18:02.18 | impulze | Phated, do not repeat my lines |
| 18:02.20 | topa_ | has all of gnome 2.10 made it into Sid ? |
| 18:02.21 | Azar | takatumi, in 3 years of running Woody with 2.4.18 I never used a firewall |
| 18:02.25 | nvz | Phated: pointing out lameness in a field of lamenosity, is pretty lame too. |
| 18:02.30 | Phated | impulze: Uhm, fuck off. |
| 18:02.30 | jim | kingsley_: it's possible, or it's possible they get it from radio station WWV |
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| 18:02.43 | takatumi | Azar: sad. |
| 18:02.44 | Azar | takatumi and since I allways sit in "user" mode, rarely going root, I think I do not have to worry. |
| 18:02.45 | impulze | Phated, uh huh |
| 18:02.47 | quadrata | wow, strong language here |
| 18:02.57 | kingsley_ | jim: Do you happen to know where radio station WWV gets its time from? |
| 18:02.58 | impulze | yeah insulting |
| 18:03.04 | toresbe | quadrata: yeah, that's the way it is :) |
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| 18:03.14 | Azar | jim told me that because he knows my habits |
| 18:03.14 | quadrata | toresbe: it doesn't have to be that way |
| 18:03.17 | jim | no, but there is a web page that describes WWV |
| 18:03.18 | snagnbytz | apt-file update is giving me 404 error |
| 18:03.23 | toresbe | quadrata: the language bothers me not |
| 18:03.28 | toresbe | quadrata: the attitude does :P |
| 18:03.30 | impulze | quadrata, fuck off |
| 18:03.32 | snagnbytz | apt-get update works |
| 18:03.35 | quadrata | toresbe: people who need to resort to foul language makes me question their intelligence |
| 18:03.38 | snagnbytz | so i know the sources.list file is correct |
| 18:03.41 | quadrata | impulze: you must be way dumb... |
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| 18:03.50 | impulze | quadrata, near lame :) |
| 18:03.55 | quadrata | impulze: heh |
| 18:04.01 | jim | the truth about firewalls, is it should be in a box that's not the one you're using generally |
| 18:04.02 | Azar | takatumi, as well I avoid to use a gui based browser, usually links or lynx will do |
| 18:04.07 | toresbe | quadrata: people who are offended by a word are the fools, imho. |
| 18:04.09 | kantai | quadrate: people who say that about "foul language" make me think they have a stick up their ass |
| 18:04.25 | impulze | kantai, it's quadrata |
| 18:04.33 | _daniel_ | Phated, thanks that worked :) |
| 18:04.35 | kantai | ya... typos happen |
| 18:04.37 | nvz | alright children, lets refrain from stating the obvious, and get on topic or at least act like it. talking shit on people is not and has never been in the topic of #debian |
| 18:04.37 | kantai | :-( |
| 18:04.40 | Phated | _daniel_: No problem. |
| 18:04.53 | jim | a firewall machine should not run services or other programs |
| 18:04.55 | quadrata | not really, what's the point of the word anyway? it's always meant to be harsh and unfriendly |
| 18:04.55 | nvz | ... thought its often a passtime |
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| 18:04.56 | papa | when I trie install kernel-image-2.4.27 with aptitude I get errors. Could anyone help me? |
| 18:05.00 | toresbe | quadrata: I have never seen an intelligent person be offended by language |
| 18:05.10 | marstewel | papa: just ASK |
| 18:05.11 | quadrata | toresbe: you need to look around more then |
| 18:05.17 | Phated | _daniel_: Better thank impulze too, else (s)he'll get jealous. |
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| 18:05.21 | toresbe | quadrata: I've travelled the seven ISPs. |
| 18:05.26 | quadrata | spf |
| 18:05.31 | snagnbytz | anyone know if this just a missing file on the mirror apt-file update |
| 18:05.31 | snagnbytz | --14:06:24-- http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Contents-i386.gz |
| 18:05.31 | snagnbytz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.31 | snagnbytz | Resolving ftp.us.debian.org... 216.37.55.114, 35.9.37.225, 128.101.80.133, ... |
| 18:05.31 | snagnbytz | Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org[216.37.55.114]:80... connected. |
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| 18:05.40 | impulze | that was dumb |
| 18:05.41 | quadrata | uh oh |
| 18:05.42 | impulze | actually |
| 18:05.48 | paulswm | quadrata: I know what you mean, I fucking hate it when people use bad language |
| 18:05.55 | MrBallZ | Should i have a .xinitrc file in my home folder ... because I don't .... I have Sarge , fresh install .... |
| 18:05.59 | Azar | papa, if you are running sarge , do an apt-cache search kernel-image and pay attention to the kernel image you need there are some that specific the CPU type, pick the one that fits your type |
| 18:06.03 | shizz | could anybody help me with Thunderbird on Debian ? |
| 18:06.06 | nvz | toresbe: McJob, that seemed to offend some people at the McDonalds enough to start paying decent wages |
| 18:06.09 | impulze | FOLDER = DIRECTORY |
| 18:06.12 | impulze | geez |
| 18:06.29 | snagnbytz | i have 13 debian installs |
| 18:06.35 | takatumi | tarzeau: bubbles. |
| 18:06.37 | snagnbytz | everyone of them give me that 404 error |
| 18:06.46 | toresbe | paulswm: yeah, those fucking cunts should shut the fuck up and get their heads out of their asses. |
| 18:06.46 | _daniel_ | yeah thanks impulze |
| 18:06.49 | Phated | MrBallZ: If you have X and start it with the command startx, sure. If not, no. |
| 18:06.50 | nvz | toresbe: and they must be intelligent at McDonalds, they've got 100million served! and they are making people fat! |
| 18:06.57 | toresbe | nvz: :) |
| 18:07.00 | Azar | papa like for example kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 or -2-386 |
| 18:07.14 | toresbe | paulswm: profanity is never fucking ever called for. |
| 18:07.20 | takatumi | nvz: MSG |
| 18:07.22 | Phated | MrBallZ: If you have *dm, then use .xsession. |
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| 18:07.26 | snagnbytz | guess no one can answer my question |
| 18:07.27 | MrBallZ | Phated: my comp goes directly to kdm ... |
| 18:07.28 | nvz | MSG? |
| 18:07.31 | quadrata | yes, the intelligent banter you guys are spouting now sure prove your point... |
| 18:07.35 | Phated | MrBallZ: See above, then. |
| 18:07.35 | paulswm | toresbe: Yeah, people are always using foul language, like "ubuntu" and "debian based" and stuff/ |
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| 18:07.36 | MrBallZ | ok ... let me se ... |
| 18:07.47 | toresbe | quadrata: recognize irony when you see it. |
| 18:07.49 | Azar | what is the fight over? I missed the juice |
| 18:07.50 | Phated | MrBallZ: You don't actually -need- it. |
| 18:07.52 | simonrvn | quadrata: *plonk* |
| 18:07.56 | quadrata | toresbe: that's not irony |
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| 18:08.03 | jim | MrBallZ: it's not usual on a debian install; usually you'd have a .xsession which starts either kde, gnome, or neither, and instead starts a window manager plus a few other clients like xterms, clocks or whatever they want |
| 18:08.05 | MrBallZ | Phated: i only have .xsession-erros, no .xsession on home folder. .. |
| 18:08.07 | quadrata | toresbe: I doubt you even know what irony is |
| 18:08.08 | simonrvn | dumbass... |
| 18:08.15 | toresbe | quadrata: no, I don't. |
| 18:08.21 | MrBallZ | mm.... |
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| 18:08.31 | Phated | MrBallZ: Again, unless you have particular customisations you'd like to make to your X session, you don't need one. |
| 18:08.32 | jim | MrBallZ: before you change anything, do things seem to be working correctly? |
| 18:08.35 | takatumi | nvz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate |
| 18:08.36 | simonrvn | ...dumbasses who complain about swearing are fucking elitist pricks |
| 18:08.40 | paulswm | quadrata: My language is not always that good but I tested in the 99th percentile for IQ so that kind of cans your theory |
| 18:08.44 | MrBallZ | Phated , jim: the thing is that i want to load 2 programs , after KDE boots up ... |
| 18:08.45 | snagnbytz | what good is this channel if all you see is trollz |
| 18:08.53 | toresbe | paulswm: IQ is BS anyway |
| 18:08.55 | paulswm | !prize snagnbytz |
| 18:08.56 | Azar | who is elitist ? |
| 18:08.57 | bob2 | quadrata: please stop it |
| 18:09.01 | impulze | trolling probably |
| 18:09.03 | toresbe | quadrata: *you* coming to this channel and attempting to censor *our* language, that's not intelligent. |
| 18:09.04 | Azar | hi master bob2 |
| 18:09.04 | bob2 | impulze: and you |
| 18:09.05 | Phated | MrBallZ: Well, in that case, create it. |
| 18:09.10 | jim | snagnbytz: exactly |
| 18:09.15 | MrBallZ | jim: yes , everything is ok , very good, the thing is i want to start 2 apps after boot up |
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| 18:09.19 | toresbe | quadrata: You seem to be the minority here. |
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| 18:09.24 | bob2 | Azar: can you not? |
| 18:09.24 | quadrata | bob2: stop what? |
| 18:09.28 | papa | of corse I trie install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 on a classic pentium... |
| 18:09.28 | bob2 | quadrata: being a dick |
| 18:09.28 | paulswm | Thanks bob2 you are the man |
| 18:09.33 | Azar | bob2 not... what? |
| 18:09.35 | jim | MrBallZ: after -booting-? |
| 18:09.35 | MrBallZ | Phated: i creat a .xsession file , only with the lines of the progs i want to lauch at startup ? |
| 18:09.36 | quadrata | bob2: how am I doing that? |
| 18:09.36 | snagnbytz | does anyone here have apt-file installed and can tell me if they can run apt-file update |
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| 18:09.47 | bob2 | Azar: do that stupid shit everytime you see me tell people off |
| 18:09.50 | MrBallZ | jim: when KDE starts , |
| 18:10.06 | Azar | oh sorry, ok I won't |
| 18:10.08 | snagnbytz | all i need is to figure if the mirror is dead or not |
| 18:10.08 | Phated | MrBallZ: With & behind them, for example: firefox & and on the next line thunderbird & |
| 18:10.11 | quadrata | bob2: seriously, I didn't expect to come into a public freenode channel and see loads of profanity |
| 18:10.16 | Seb | is there any way to have my Debian box automatically start the DHCP client on eth0 *when there is a link on it* ? |
| 18:10.18 | bob2 | quadrata: then leave |
| 18:10.22 | Omnix | snagnbytz, probably the mirror, all fine for me |
| 18:10.30 | bob2 | Seb: install ifplugd and configure it to do that |
| 18:10.30 | snagnbytz | what mirror you using |
| 18:10.36 | quadrata | bob2: I probably will - until then what's wrong with expressing my opinion? |
| 18:10.44 | paulswm | snagnbytz: It's not working on etch, running it with -v option shows errors |
| 18:10.46 | nvz | quadrata: there are many channels on freenode that profantiy is not expected. However, #debian is not one of them. |
| 18:10.47 | quadrata | bob2: everyone else seems to be welcome to do it |
| 18:10.49 | jim | see, ops and helpers both get it from all sides |
| 18:10.50 | snagnbytz | Seb you can start dhcp on eth0 |
| 18:10.53 | MrBallZ | Phated: ok , let me do it ... then , I should quit KDM to then restart it , to test it , right ? |
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| 18:10.57 | snagnbytz | You have to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 18:11.00 | Omnix | snagnbytz, ftp://the.earth.li/debian - it's a UK mirror |
| 18:11.03 | CharleyS | ?? has anyone dine the latest "net install cd" installation ? |
| 18:11.07 | Azar | jim I started writing a tutorial for people new to linux about installing Debian... will you review it when I am done? |
| 18:11.07 | jim | they don't get paid, they get stress |
| 18:11.08 | snagnbytz | ok thankx Omnix |
| 18:11.08 | quadrata | nvz: I was unaware, I thought it was part of this channels rules, honestly |
| 18:11.10 | toresbe | paulswm: I would cry of joy if it turned out that in some other language, Ubuntu meant "hemorrhoids" or "diarrhea" or something silly like that :P |
| 18:11.15 | Seb | bob2: k thx |
| 18:11.25 | Phated | MrBallZ: Or do "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" as root. |
| 18:11.29 | bob2 | CharleyS: lots of people have |
| 18:11.32 | jim | Azar: sure... but also, you could join #debian-boot |
| 18:11.33 | bob2 | jim: and abuse |
| 18:11.52 | paulswm | quadrata: Insulting people because their language doesn't conform to your expectations is more than expressing an opinion, it's kind of counterproductive and just gets everyone heaated up. |
| 18:11.55 | MrBallZ | Phated: will that close and restart KDM and KDE right ? |
| 18:11.58 | CharleyS | bob, any caveats I need to know of ? I am going to the office after lunch to do one |
| 18:12.12 | toresbe | paulswm: btw, I've taken three tests |
| 18:12.12 | robin_sz | hmmm .. I'm having some difficulty getting my philips webcam to work on 2.6 kernel .. this used to work perfectly under 2.2.someting .. |
| 18:12.13 | Phated | MrBallZ: Yes. Do it from a console. |
| 18:12.14 | MrBallZ | Phated , or should i log out first of KDE , then as root restart KDM ??? |
| 18:12.16 | nvz | quadrata: nope, #debian has no official rules. there is a topic, a set of guidelines provisioned by freenode.net, and some channel operators. On channels where children are likely to be present, like for a popular multiplatform game, profanity would be a bad thing |
| 18:12.18 | bob2 | CharleyS: have you installed debian before? |
| 18:12.19 | robin_sz | any clues? |
| 18:12.29 | bob2 | robin_sz: is it the one that had the driver pulled from the kernel? |
| 18:12.29 | Phated | MrBallZ: Yeah, log out of KDE and save your work, you know, the usual. |
| 18:12.37 | toresbe | paulswm: And I've gotten 61, 120, and 195, respectively |
| 18:12.42 | robin_sz | bob2: pulled? errm? |
| 18:12.43 | CharleyS | Bob, Linux but never Debian |
| 18:12.50 | bob2 | robin_sz: "removed" |
| 18:12.59 | bob2 | CharleyS: then get out the install guide and you'll be fine |
| 18:13.00 | shingouz | bob2: i think it got put back in? |
| 18:13.01 | MrBallZ | Phated, thanks, ill doit , |
| 18:13.02 | MrBallZ | brb |
| 18:13.04 | robin_sz | bob2: seems unlikely, its a very common webcam |
| 18:13.06 | quadrata | paulswm: and what about people who find the language insulting because of how they were raised? |
| 18:13.08 | CharleyS | Cool Thanks Bob |
| 18:13.24 | bob2 | robin_sz: ok! |
| 18:13.24 | nvz | quadrata: profanity is a means of expressing emotions, and is nessicary in this kind of medium.. the word fuck is used over 50 times in just about any version of the linux kernel |
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| 18:13.37 | Phated | quadrata: Bunch of mindless ducks, then, aren't they? |
| 18:13.46 | bob2 | quadrata: nvz this seems rather un-debian-related |
| 18:13.50 | bob2 | take it to #offtopic |
| 18:13.52 | shingouz | robin_sz: one of the philips webcams did have the driver pulled because of some patent issues (iirc), i think it got back in there again but i am not sure about it |
| 18:13.54 | quadrata | bob2: indeed |
| 18:14.02 | bob2 | shingouz: didn't think it made it into a stable release yet |
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| 18:14.23 | shingouz | bob2: that is a possiblity of course |
| 18:14.23 | robin_sz | shingouz: OK, checking .. seems unlikely though as it used to work perfectly .. |
| 18:14.38 | shingouz | robin_sz: no driver, no workee :( |
| 18:14.45 | snagnbytz | much appreciate the help |
| 18:14.47 | snagnbytz | thankyou |
| 18:15.00 | robin_sz | shingouz: ah fsck. yes .. it looks like it was pulled .. |
| 18:15.22 | shingouz | robin_sz: off to the store with you then i guess :( |
| 18:15.40 | robin_sz | shingouz: sigh ... http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ |
| 18:15.51 | bob2 | or just add it back |
| 18:16.09 | shingouz | jfc... now proxim 'needs' to have people register before they can d/l firmware off the site. fsck |
| 18:16.23 | robin_sz | shingouz: seems philps were happy to release a part open source, part binary driver ... but it got political |
| 18:16.44 | robin_sz | bugger ... thats ideaology breaking my once working bit of hardware. |
| 18:17.00 | bob2 | well |
| 18:17.03 | bob2 | that's not what happened |
| 18:17.07 | CharleyS | later all .. see ya tonight |
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| 18:17.13 | pingu12 | device busy but not user connected ? http://paste.debian.net/673 |
| 18:17.16 | shingouz | robin_sz: i did read it way back when but i do not really remember how the whole story went, nothing that i needed to know about at the time |
| 18:17.18 | bob2 | the driver was under dispute over whether it was reverse-engineered in a sueable way |
| 18:17.24 | srg | robin_sz> http://kerneltrap.org/node/5066 |
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| 18:18.47 | nvz | pingu12: you are trying to unmount /usr and /var? |
| 18:18.57 | pingu12 | yes |
| 18:19.18 | pingu12 | its a chroot in a rescuesystem |
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| 18:20.10 | paulswm | quadrata: Sorry, was afk and didn't see your reply. If you find this channel offensive, you could try ##debian which was apparently set up to provide a less "boisterous" alternative, other than that I don't know. |
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| 18:20.35 | trs80 | is there an archive of #debian /topics? |
| 18:20.39 | Phated | s/boisterous/hostile/ |
| 18:20.47 | paulswm | Phated: heh |
| 18:20.48 | nvz | pingu12: so you booted from a rescue media, and mounted these two partitions, and now want to unmount them? did you mount inside the chroot or before? |
| 18:20.56 | Phated | The quotes remain. |
| 18:21.13 | paulswm | Phated: Yes, I get you. |
| 18:21.24 | bob2 | you could compile the archive pretty easily |
| 18:21.33 | bob2 | half a dozen people here have logs going back years |
| 18:21.35 | nvz | this problem is confusing me already for some reason |
| 18:21.43 | nvz | I cant imagine the situation. |
| 18:21.59 | myren | wait, so whats happening to testing unstable? |
| 18:22.12 | bob2 | there is no such thing as "testing unstable" |
| 18:22.15 | bob2 | and never has been |
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| 18:22.28 | myren | tell that to my sources.list |
| 18:22.28 | quadrata | so do you all *try* to be boisterous and hostile? ;P |
| 18:22.38 | bob2 | myren: then your sources.list is broken |
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| 18:22.45 | nvz | never ever will be... (I hope) they have proposed some strange development strategies |
| 18:22.45 | robin_sz | bob2: well, whatever, it doesnt seem to work, so I presume Alan Cox's work never made ti to a release |
| 18:22.46 | myren | seems to work just fine |
| 18:22.47 | bob2 | myren: if you have testing and unstable, you're just running unstable |
| 18:22.49 | paulswm | myren: testing is testing, and unstabl is unstable, ploicies are the same, there's a description on the debian.org web site. |
| 18:22.51 | pingu12 | i mounted /dev/sda5 to a folder and then chrooted into that folder. then i mounted sda6-9 - now i tried to unmount sda6-9 : 6+7 didnt work |
| 18:22.54 | bob2 | robin_sz: 2.6.12 isn't out yet |
| 18:23.03 | honschu | What is "111/tcp open rpcbin" and how to close it? |
| 18:23.04 | bob2 | myren: anyway, "testing unstable" has never existed |
| 18:23.07 | myren | bob2: i have unstable pinned to low priority |
| 18:23.12 | bob2 | ok! |
| 18:23.18 | myren | tell that to the repositories |
| 18:23.21 | robin_sz | bob2: you are sying it will be in 2.6.12? |
| 18:23.22 | srg | robin_sz> 2.6.12 is meant to be out next week |
| 18:23.27 | robin_sz | right |
| 18:23.29 | myren | really, dont tell people something doesnt exist thats all over most repositories |
| 18:23.38 | bob2 | robin_sz: so I gather |
| 18:23.39 | myren | "Testing unstable", no, but "testing" and "unstable" yes |
| 18:23.44 | bob2 | indeed |
| 18:23.53 | impulze | quadrata, stop being a dick now |
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| 18:24.29 | honschu | What packages causes open Port "111/tcp rpcbind" ? |
| 18:24.34 | myren | so what now? with sarge stable, what of testing? |
| 18:24.42 | pingu12 | nvz: and yes i booted from in a rescue server |
| 18:24.42 | bob2 | myren: it's called etch |
| 18:24.44 | myren | is cid both testing & unstable? |
| 18:24.46 | nvz | quadrata: try not to be so sensitive. |
| 18:24.46 | bob2 | and is identical to sarge still |
| 18:24.55 | myren | ah, ok |
| 18:24.55 | bob2 | honschu: stop obsessing over nmap output if you don't know what it means |
| 18:25.06 | quadrata | nvz: I'm not, really, just asking very pointed questions |
| 18:25.08 | bob2 | honschu: "sudo netstat -plunt | grep 111" will show the name of the program listening on that port |
| 18:25.15 | honschu | bob2: thx a lot |
| 18:25.16 | myren | so etch will diverge from sarge while cid still gets the uber-unstable? |
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| 18:25.17 | quadrata | nvz: it was paulswm that said 'boisterous' |
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| 18:25.25 | quadrata | nvz: and Phated that said 'hostile' |
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| 18:25.28 | bob2 | honschu: you can then use http://packages.debian.org/ to find out whatch package that program is in |
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| 18:25.33 | srg | bob2> testings already had lots of breakage installed since sarge released :-) |
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| 18:25.45 | myren | damn, i need another pci slot in my car: tv tuner. |
| 18:25.48 | nvz | quadrata: heh. |
| 18:26.05 | honschu | bob2: Ah, ok thx - it's the rpc portmapper |
| 18:26.05 | bob2 | srg: I'm pretty sure it's identical still |
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| 18:26.15 | bob2 | since, afaik, britney isn't running yet |
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| 18:26.28 | jim | you watch tv while you're driving?? |
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| 18:26.42 | srg | bob2> about 50 packages a day are going in |
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| 18:26.48 | myren | no, i'm just doing road trips for most of the summer |
| 18:26.50 | bob2 | HELPME: jesus christ dude |
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| 18:26.59 | srg | bob2> http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
| 18:27.00 | bob2 | srg: ah, you're right, sorry |
| 18:27.00 | myren | and maybe my friends might want to |
| 18:27.09 | honschu | bob2: Do I need to make "RPC calls" for a normal desktop debian sarge? |
| 18:27.10 | bob2 | I'm outta the loop |
| 18:27.13 | quadrata | hey jbit |
| 18:27.16 | bob2 | honschu: unless you're using NFS, no |
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| 18:27.35 | srg | bob2> nuff packages to break a system :-) |
| 18:27.40 | bob2 | hehe |
| 18:27.43 | paulswm | quadrata: But we both put the words in quotes to indicate that was the view of some, but not necessarily ours. It is a tough crowd here, though, no doubt about it. But some smart people. |
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| 18:27.55 | honschu | bob2: Do I need to have portmap installed when I mount nfs from a server? |
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| 18:28.10 | bob2 | honschu: I can't remember |
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| 18:28.19 | jim | honschu: rpc is a sun thing... nfs, nis, yp, portmapper all uses sun rpc |
| 18:28.28 | Shadda_ | he |
| 18:28.33 | quadrata | paulswm: I've noticed |
| 18:28.40 | Shadda_ | here's a question, i just apt-get installed xfree86 |
| 18:28.47 | honschu | jim: Ah, thx - that lights up my day. |
| 18:28.49 | Shadda_ | but startx doesn't work... |
| 18:28.52 | Shadda_ | command not found. |
| 18:28.52 | nvz | ah thats better. /me goes to find(1) food |
| 18:28.56 | Shadda_ | so how do I start x? |
| 18:28.57 | bob2 | Shadda_: install x-window-system |
| 18:28.58 | jim | if you're asking wheter you yourself need to write rpc calls... not sure |
| 18:29.01 | _atrus_ | i'm getting an error trying to upgrade mozilla-firefox: "dpkg-deb (subprocess): error in buffer_read(stream): failed to write to pipe in copy: Input/output error" |
| 18:29.03 | bob2 | Shadda_: (that's in the faq) |
| 18:29.07 | Shadda_ | bob2, think that was installed as a dependency |
| 18:29.08 | kantai | does anyone know of ANY good X irc clients? |
| 18:29.09 | bob2 | _atrus_: your disk is screwd, sorry |
| 18:29.12 | bob2 | Shadda_: no, it wasn't |
| 18:29.14 | Shadda_ | when i installed xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:29.16 | bob2 | kantai: irssi in an xterm ;) |
| 18:29.19 | _atrus_ | bob2: how so? |
| 18:29.20 | bob2 | Shadda_: no, it wasn't |
| 18:29.20 | Shadda_ | k, thanks |
| 18:29.20 | quadrata | kantai: don't like xchat? |
| 18:29.22 | JVaughn | artus - are you out of disk space? |
| 18:29.24 | devazion | kantai, x-chat, gaim |
| 18:29.27 | bobbens | kantai: xchat |
| 18:29.32 | quadrata | kantai: or chatzilla? |
| 18:29.35 | kantai | quadrata: not a fan of x-chat, it's miossing alot |
| 18:29.42 | kantai | I'll try chatzilla |
| 18:29.44 | bob2 | _atrus_: look at the output of "dmesg"; the lines at the end probably all whinge about the disk |
| 18:29.45 | quadrata | kantai: just use irssi then ;) |
| 18:29.49 | jim | kantai: I don't particularly like any of them; I'm running xchat now |
| 18:29.53 | _atrus_ | plenty of space in /, /tmp, /var... |
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| 18:30.02 | bob2 | dpkg tells you if the disk is full |
| 18:30.05 | phogg | kantai: what is xchat missing? |
| 18:30.08 | _atrus_ | bob2: hmmm... you're right. |
| 18:30.09 | bob2 | well, with a confusing, but different error |
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| 18:30.13 | quadrata | phogg: a cupholder |
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| 18:30.28 | quadrata | phogg: and a reclining seat |
| 18:30.47 | kantai | xchat has always been screwy with like private chats and downloading and such... and no channel listing |
| 18:30.48 | _atrus_ | hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } // hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=9816557, sector=9816472 |
| 18:30.51 | phogg | quadrata: Name even one IRC client that has those features. |
| 18:31.02 | bob2 | _atrus_: could be a dodgy or loose cable |
| 18:31.11 | bob2 | _atrus_: powerdown and replug them all |
| 18:31.17 | quadrata | phogg: I didn't say one existed - but you can't tell me xchat isn't missing those |
| 18:31.20 | quadrata | :P |
| 18:31.22 | bobbens | kantai: you try Window -> channel list? |
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| 18:31.34 | srg | sirc rocks :-) |
| 18:31.36 | kantai | oh hey, would ya look at that? |
| 18:31.40 | phogg | kantai: so it's not so much that xchat has specific missing features as it is that you have a poor impression of it. |
| 18:31.49 | kantai | ya basically |
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| 18:32.14 | bobbens | kantai: its just getting used to it |
| 18:32.18 | kantai | I used to use you know, mirc, then well, I left that whole "Windows" thing behind |
| 18:32.29 | PDpro | Erm. Java on Mozilla 1.7.8 is there any compromise? I installed the official sun VM and copied the plugin over to /usr/lib/mozilla.. then restarted.. what's wrong? |
| 18:32.38 | PDpro | Any clues? |
| 18:32.59 | robin_sz | bob2: kewl, I'll wait for it ... seems sad that a perfectly working driver got pulled for ideological reasons, but, thats life I guess |
| 18:33.09 | phogg | kantai: wdo not speak the name of the evil one |
| 18:33.15 | bob2 | robin_sz: it wasn't ideological reasons, it was legal concerns |
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| 18:33.29 | srg | damn patents |
| 18:33.32 | PDpro | You sure nobody has any answers for my question? |
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| 18:33.41 | quadrata | no, I'm not sure |
| 18:33.42 | artaxx | hi, all. what is the best replacement for mplayer debian has to offer? |
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| 18:33.50 | bob2 | PDpro: er, you could just wait more than 63 seconds |
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| 18:34.00 | bobbens | PDpro: maybe you should try installing it the debian way |
| 18:34.02 | srg | artaxx> vlc |
| 18:34.03 | phogg | PDpro: well nothing is wrong, since you didn't say anything is wrong. |
| 18:34.09 | jim | artaxx: what means "best" |
| 18:34.13 | bob2 | artaxx: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 18:34.14 | robin_sz | bob2: reading the pages, it seem to be purely down to the kernel maintainers not being happy with a binary-only decompressor |
| 18:34.23 | PDpro | bobbens, the "Debian" way? |
| 18:34.26 | bob2 | robin_sz: the author of the driver insisted it be removed |
| 18:34.33 | artaxx | jim: tons'o'codecs, fast, reliable... |
| 18:34.35 | bobbens | PDpro: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 18:34.49 | bob2 | robin_sz: unless this is a different phillips webcam driver that got removed from the kernel |
| 18:34.54 | myren | anyone use dyndns? i think i'm gonna get the pro account... |
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| 18:35.08 | robin_sz | bob2: reading the echnage, only becaus somneoen decompiled the binar and alapped a GPL on the decompiled code |
| 18:35.10 | bobbens | myren: i do and use free version -> it works fine |
| 18:35.13 | nvz | artaxx: you install the w32codecs package from Marillat, and you can use those codecs with any player in debian |
| 18:35.20 | jim | artaxx: tons'o'codecs is problematic due to patents and other legal snags... debian tends to avoid those by refusing to distribute |
| 18:35.21 | PDpro | bobbens, official packages available via apt-get? |
| 18:35.22 | lamp_ | hi does anyone know why mplayer pluggin for mozilla is so slow |
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| 18:35.42 | artaxx | ok, thanx, all. |
| 18:35.48 | bobbens | PDpro: no because of licensing, but its really easy to convert the *.bin to .deb using java-package |
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| 18:36.07 | robin_sz | bob2: and I really dont care if the decompressor is closed source, I just want it to work |
| 18:36.14 | jim | and you probably should try |
| 18:36.24 | PDpro | I already have the .bin installed bobbens I used alien. My problem is getting it to work in mozilla. |
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| 18:36.34 | PDpro | I followed the official guidelines. |
| 18:36.55 | jim | PDpro: find the plugin, link to it in the mozilla plugins dir |
| 18:36.55 | bobbens | PDpro: well using JAVA-PACKAGE not alien i got it working out of the box (using converted *.bin) and it works with mozilla fine |
| 18:36.59 | thingfish | yay! Got sarge installed from the CDs. However I don't have sound. I try to open gnome-volume-control, and get "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found". |
| 18:37.06 | robin_sz | and I was *so* looking forward to using motion |
| 18:37.20 | ikonia | .away |
| 18:37.21 | ikonia | n |
| 18:37.22 | ikonia | oops |
| 18:37.29 | zeroC | anyone here who uses kbsd? |
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| 18:37.54 | PDpro | bobbens, how is that possible? It's an rpm.bin file, self-extracting. |
| 18:37.56 | shizz | how do I configure the monitor resolutions? |
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| 18:38.03 | ikonia | shizz in X ? |
| 18:38.07 | shizz | in xfce4.2 |
| 18:38.18 | shingouz | !tell shizz about drxx |
| 18:38.19 | ikonia | shizz you do it in X |
| 18:38.23 | jim | PDpro: java packages created with the java-package scripts will try to do that for you |
| 18:38.28 | nvz | zeroC: #gnu-kbsd |
| 18:38.35 | bobbens | PDpro: that's the beauty of it. It makes all the symlinks and shit automatically, i havent coded it so i dont know how it works, i just know it DOES work /msg dpkg java-package |
| 18:38.46 | Overand | i'm using gnome, and the font in the terminal is a little bit... eh... how can I get a monospaced font that's a bit more like the one used in FBCon, or in the 'linux' schema in KDE's 'Konsole' |
| 18:38.47 | jim | PDpro: once you think you succeeded, try "about:plugins" |
| 18:39.10 | Overand | I don't have a normal font like that, the linux schema in Konsole uses some weird internal font |
| 18:39.11 | ikonia | Overand perhaps ask in #gnome ? |
| 18:39.11 | quadrata | shizz: edit the config file! |
| 18:39.22 | shingouz | quadrata: no |
| 18:39.29 | shingouz | shizz: do not edit the config |
| 18:39.29 | Overand | ikonia: i'm actually more interested in finding a sane monospaced font |
| 18:39.35 | thingfish | lspci sees Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03), lsmod shows snd-emu10k1 and emu10k1 both... |
| 18:39.36 | quadrata | shingouz: yes edit the config ;) |
| 18:39.39 | shingouz | !tell quadrata about drxx |
| 18:39.55 | Phated | Overand: Try installing xfonts-terminus. |
| 18:39.59 | Overand | (in the debian repository), so I think it's more of a debian question than a gnome question |
| 18:40.02 | Overand | Phated: thanks |
| 18:40.10 | ikonia | yes yes, I see what your asking now |
| 18:40.11 | quadrata | shingouz: ick |
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| 18:40.18 | shingouz | quadrata: what? |
| 18:40.20 | jim | bob2: maybe you should write guidelines as to when it's good and not good to use !ops; there were trolls, I flagged them. |
| 18:40.20 | ikonia | I thought you where asking about a theme or a gnome configuraiton |
| 18:40.36 | Overand | ikonia: no prob, i wasn't very clear about it |
| 18:40.58 | quadrata | shingouz: configs are nicer :) |
| 18:40.59 | jim | without the guidelines, I assume you want to know about such things |
| 18:41.21 | ikonia | nothing wrong with just vi'ing xfree84-4 |
| 18:41.25 | ikonia | nothing wrong with just vi'ing xfree86-4 |
| 18:41.43 | ikonia | XF86Cfonig-4 |
| 18:41.45 | nvz | is there an echo in here? |
| 18:41.47 | shingouz | quadrata: yes if you knwo what you do but most of the people here do not, that is why you never ever tell to edit the config by hand |
| 18:41.48 | ikonia | sorry forgot this was devian |
| 18:41.50 | jim | true |
| 18:41.51 | ikonia | debian |
| 18:41.51 | jim | true |
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| 18:42.22 | shingouz | ikonia: you too, /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 18:42.30 | ikonia | shingouz why ? |
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| 18:42.38 | quadrata | shingouz: I see, so you're training people to stay newbies? |
| 18:42.43 | shingouz | ikonia: that is the way you configure X in debian |
| 18:42.45 | paulswm | o.O |
| 18:42.53 | thingfish | well, hehe, I think I just discovered why I have no audio! No alsa-base, no alsa-modules. |
| 18:42.55 | ikonia | shingouz can you not just edit the config file ? |
| 18:43.01 | ikonia | if you want to set the resolution |
| 18:43.16 | jim | quadrata: or letting them stay that way if they want to, I guess |
| 18:43.17 | nvz | not only that, if you edit the X config by hand, then try to use dpkg-reconfigure later, it will ask you if you want to write the config, and then exit without error, but the config will not be written because the checksum will be invalid |
| 18:43.17 | quadrata | ikonia: sure you could - it's still just X |
| 18:43.19 | shingouz | quadrata: i am trying to keep the stress low enough myself, that is why the dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 18:43.46 | ikonia | I thought so |
| 18:43.50 | quadrata | nvz: sounds like that program needs some work then |
| 18:44.06 | shingouz | quadrata, ikonia: it is very hard to find help on this channel if you hand-hack the configs because they should be pasted and parsed before any help can be given |
| 18:44.07 | ikonia | nvz would it / should it not parse whats there |
| 18:44.08 | pipeline | quadrata: No it doesn't, you dweeb. dpkg-reconfigure will never plow your hand-done edits. |
| 18:44.11 | ikonia | to get the current config |
| 18:44.14 | ikonia | before asking you to edit |
| 18:44.19 | nvz | quadrata: well, maybe the script should let the user know the checksum is invalid |
| 18:44.23 | pipeline | ikonia: That's what it attempts to do using an md5sum. |
| 18:44.29 | pipeline | ikonia: It can't parse arbitrary input |
| 18:44.35 | quadrata | pipeline: why are you calling me a dweeb, I didn't say it would, nvz did. |
| 18:44.46 | quadrata | nvz: good idea |
| 18:44.59 | pipeline | quadrata: No, nvz is right: dpkg-reconfigure won't overwrite your edits. That's the correct behaviour. |
| 18:45.03 | nvz | quadrata: most people here know not to tell people to change it without telling them to update the checksum, or telling them to use the debconf method which does it automatically |
| 18:45.05 | ikonia | pipeline so it keeps an md5sum of the current file to stop people editing it by hand - or corrupting it |
| 18:45.09 | pipeline | If you want to write a new X configuration file, you use dexconf -o |
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| 18:45.14 | Overand | do i have to restart x after installing fonts via apt-get for them to become available? |
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| 18:45.37 | quadrata | pipeline: why dexconf? why not XFree86 -configure ? |
| 18:45.38 | Phated | ikonia: Also to prevent an accidental overwrite of a highly customised config. |
| 18:45.54 | quadrata | learn to backup first? ;) |
| 18:46.03 | paulswm | quadrata: HAHAHA |
| 18:46.13 | jim | there is that :P |
| 18:46.23 | Phated | Very well, let's all hand-edit config files! HURRAH! |
| 18:46.38 | ikonia | an interesting approach with pro's and con's locking out the user to prevent problems, but also preventing the user for making alterations |
| 18:46.46 | paulswm | !qotd126 |
| 18:46.46 | dpkg | i heard qotd126 is <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
| 18:46.48 | jim | but see, if you do update the checksum, reconfigure assumes it can trash it again |
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| 18:46.54 | quadrata | Phated: I do that all the time - it's taught me way more than any custom program would |
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| 18:47.04 | Phated | Actually, if you -always- edit it with dpkg-reconfigure, you can change it anytime. |
| 18:47.06 | quadrata | Phated: I don't see what's wrong with that |
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| 18:47.24 | coyote10 | hi |
| 18:47.31 | nvz | ikonia: if the user edits by hand and wants to plow it with debconf, there are ways to do it, you could -plow, or just manually update the checksum |
| 18:47.34 | steve_ | hey- how do i setup a orinco atheros wifi card in linux |
| 18:48.00 | shizz | okay well ive done the "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and set the modes, but the new modes do not show in the resolution list |
| 18:48.06 | Phated | quadrata: <shrug> I see no point in not making use of existing tools. If I want to learn about it, I'll read the file and the docs. |
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| 18:48.12 | nvz | ikonia: its mainly to save you cursing for accidentally overwriting your custom configuration with debconf |
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| 18:48.27 | quadrata | Phated: well that's your way then - I like learning all I can about the core technology |
| 18:48.36 | ikonia | nvz yes, I see that. as I said pro's and cons |
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| 18:48.42 | ikonia | an interesting and quite safe technique |
| 18:48.43 | paulswm | quadrata: if there is a debian way of doing something, it's best to use it, and certainly best to advise others to use it, it's not always just a question of a simpler front end for an edit, per this discussion involving checksums |
| 18:48.57 | Phated | quadrata: I assume this is the point you alert me to my ignorance. Please do, so we can all just move on. |
| 18:48.57 | coyote10 | who speaks spanish? |
| 18:48.57 | ikonia | I imagine it would frustrate some users though, not used to that way of working |
| 18:49.03 | TheMoebius | I'm trying to restart courier-imapd and it says address already in use. How can I find out whats usuing the address? |
| 18:49.16 | nvz | shizz: you cannot set modes in there, you can choose resolutions, color depth, and provide monitor sync ranges. these calculate modes, depending also on the driver and detected video hardware capabilities |
| 18:49.23 | quadrata | Phated: no, not really - I just said that's your way, and I prefer to do it differently |
| 18:49.24 | coyote10 | who speaks spanish and english? |
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| 18:49.26 | pureone | netstat -tupln |
| 18:49.29 | quadrata | Phated: that's all |
| 18:49.34 | quadrata | paulswm: I understand |
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| 18:49.42 | pngwn | coyote10, /msg dpkg spanish |
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| 18:50.00 | nvz | shizz: I can say 1600x1200 but the sync ranges on my EO50 and the dotclock on my S3 Prosuckage cannot calculate a valid mode at 1600x1200 |
| 18:50.05 | Phated | quadrata: And you dragged out a conversation... for that. You -are- a waste of air. |
| 18:50.12 | nvz | shizz: so that mode would be removed from the config when the server starts |
| 18:50.25 | quadrata | Phated: I see, and the others that contributed to the conversation didnt? |
| 18:50.25 | nvz | shizz: it will say what modes work and which ones do not in the log |
| 18:50.34 | shizz | nvz, sorry my mistake, i've chosen the highest resolution as 1152 and yet the X says the highest is only 1024.. |
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| 18:50.38 | quadrata | Phated: why attacking me? I never attacked you personally |
| 18:50.41 | ikonia | I found the method interesting/unusual |
| 18:50.48 | coyote10 | thankyou pngwn |
| 18:50.49 | paulswm | quadrata: I understand how you like to do things, but many visitors wouldn't know what a checksum was if it fell on their head, so it's a wuestion of not making too many assumptions agbout skill level, is all. |
| 18:50.51 | Phated | quadrata: Why not? "Hostile", remember? |
| 18:51.07 | thingfish | Man oh man oh man, I'm back with Debian (Sarge), and it's fantastic. |
| 18:51.10 | nvz | shizz: Which method of configuration for the monitor did you use? did you choose advanced and specify the monitors ranges? |
| 18:51.17 | quadrata | Phated: you're certainly making that known... :( |
| 18:51.20 | shizz | nvz, oh i chose medium |
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| 18:51.26 | nvz | shizz: my monitor can only do up to 1280x1024 |
| 18:51.32 | thingfish | I used sid for a few months a while back, but it changed too much for me; sarge is perfect. |
| 18:51.44 | shizz | nvz, well in windoze I know i had it at 1152 before. |
| 18:51.56 | paulswm | thingfish: Not moved to etch yet? :P |
| 18:51.58 | nvz | shizz: do you know the make/model of you monitor? |
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| 18:52.10 | Phated | quadrata: So glad we spoke. Bye now. |
| 18:52.10 | shizz | nvz, not specifically |
| 18:52.27 | shizz | nvz, it has a sticker saying "GVC" on the bottom left corner of it.. |
| 18:52.27 | nvz | shizz: ahh, is it branded something different like Emachine or dell? |
| 18:52.28 | quadrata | paulswm: understand |
| 18:52.29 | YaleR | hello everyone, I'm looking for a program or script that can keep track of the amount of time that I work - any ideas? |
| 18:52.41 | nvz | shizz: ah check the sticker on the back for a model maybe |
| 18:52.45 | thingfish | paulswm: hehe, no, not for a while yet. |
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| 18:52.53 | pngwn | YaleR, packages.debian.org |
| 18:52.56 | nvz | shizz: http://monitorworld.com/Monitors/gvc/ |
| 18:52.59 | shizz | nvz, and what do I do with the model |
| 18:53.06 | nvz | shizz: look it up :) |
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| 18:53.21 | nvz | shizz: then choose advanced, and put in the specs |
| 18:53.38 | nvz | shizz: what model is it? |
| 18:53.46 | shizz | nvz, ill have to take a peek |
| 18:53.48 | YaleR | pngwn: I already searched my repos... |
| 18:53.51 | shizz | nvz, gimme a second |
| 18:53.57 | error403 | I have a question - is a Mobile AMD Sempron classed as K7 or K8? And will a K7/K8 kernel have the PowerNow module in it, or will i need to compile my own? |
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| 18:54.13 | paulswm | thingfish: I just dist-upgraded five 'testing' distro boxes, which was basically a sarge-to-etch upgrade, everything works fine as far as I can see, except the apt-file COontents packages are missing from ...the main debian us mirror |
| 18:54.41 | paulswm | s/packages/files/ |
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| 18:55.46 | srg | error403> Isn't a Sempron a K8 - wasn't K7 either duron or original athlon? |
| 18:56.21 | thingfish | paulswm: nice. |
| 18:56.31 | error403 | ah, srg, i just found out, Mobile Semprons are K8, Desktop semprons below 3100 are K7 |
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| 18:56.52 | quadrata | ikonia: sleeping? |
| 18:56.59 | srg | error403> I didn't know that |
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| 18:57.30 | shizz | nvz, m1566p |
| 18:57.32 | ikonia | no just popped back to debian-amd64 to ask about nvidia driver support |
| 18:57.34 | nvz | damn GVC has a 14" multisync that can do 1280x1024 |
| 18:57.36 | nse | oh please that tha caps out og the topic |
| 18:57.43 | shizz | nvz, it's not on the list |
| 18:57.57 | nse | sorry |
| 18:58.00 | nvz | shizz: use the M-1566L |
| 18:58.03 | ikonia | trying to get my LCD TV for my HTPC to work with the nvidia GFX card |
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| 18:58.19 | error403 | So, does the K7 kernel package have the PowerNow modules? or is there an easy way to read the config? cat .config | grep powernow maybe? |
| 18:58.20 | shizz | nvz, M1566P is my model number |
| 18:59.16 | error403 | is there a way to read the .config of the current running kernel? |
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| 18:59.48 | shizz | nvz, okay |
| 19:00.05 | paulswm | error403: it's in /boot, 'config...', it's a text file |
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| 19:00.19 | bobbens | error403: should be one for all your kernels in /boot |
| 19:00.22 | error403 | ok, thanks |
| 19:00.44 | paulswm | error403: yw |
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| 19:01.54 | lilwade | could anyone tell me tha xf86 command to configure a keyboard so that it can use the Media buttons for the xmms media key feature |
| 19:01.59 | error403 | WOOHOO! PowerNow!!! |
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| 19:02.10 | paulswm | !prize error403 |
| 19:02.19 | paulswm | quadrata: HAHA |
| 19:02.20 | error403 | heh |
| 19:02.34 | error403 | is there a way to dynamically load a new kernel, or do i NEED to reboot? |
| 19:02.36 | shizz | nvz, okay, so now I should run the reconfigure and use the information they give me as the stuff for "advanced" settings? |
| 19:02.46 | paulswm | error403: reboot |
| 19:02.56 | drac | lilwade: Try this 'apt-get install xbindkeys-config xbindkeys' and configure with 'xbindkeys-config'. Is how I configured my UltraX media keys for XMMS. |
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| 19:03.04 | paulswm | !qotd199 |
| 19:03.04 | dpkg | somebody said qotd199 was Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
| 19:03.10 | ikonia | what was the tool to configure X please |
| 19:03.16 | drac | !drxx ikonia |
| 19:03.17 | dpkg | ikonia: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:03.22 | lilwade | xbindkeys |
| 19:03.23 | lilwade | ok |
| 19:03.23 | nvz | shizz: if you notice there is a pattern to GVC's model numbers the M- indicates a CRT Montior, the next two digits is the tube size, then the last two and the optional letters are the model and the design. the L, R, P..etc are just different designs.. notice on monitor world the M-1766L and the M-1766LR are the same specs |
| 19:03.24 | ikonia | thank you |
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| 19:03.51 | timo_ | im currently using irssi via my ssh gateway/openbsd but need a local irc client with blowfish encryption for privacy, any suggestion what to apt-get? |
| 19:03.56 | quadrata | is there a mipsEEel port of debian? |
| 19:04.04 | error403 | ok, be right back (if my kernel works - its Debian packaged, so it should!) |
| 19:04.12 | nvz | shizz: yeah advanced will ask you for the monitors horizontal sync and vertical refresh rates |
| 19:04.24 | nvz | shizz: yours is a multisync so these will both be ranges |
| 19:04.28 | shizz | nvz, clever. |
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| 19:04.37 | nvz | shizz: this will allow it to more accuratly calculate screen modes |
| 19:04.41 | pauliukas | Could anyone recommend me a good FTP client that could be used to backup many dirrectories and files? |
| 19:05.01 | quadrata | pauliukas: why ftp? |
| 19:05.05 | quadrata | pauliukas: you could use rsync |
| 19:05.16 | Overand | how can i get a monospaced font into the 'fontconfig' equivalent place? |
| 19:05.20 | pauliukas | quadrata: Because my backup server only has FTP |
| 19:05.24 | valdyn | pauliukas: ftp is not really well suited for backups |
| 19:05.26 | pauliukas | I have no other access. |
| 19:05.29 | quadrata | pauliukas: that's a good reason |
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| 19:05.36 | pauliukas | Well, it's not accessible from outside the network |
| 19:05.43 | pauliukas | and the information isn't quite sensible |
| 19:05.43 | Overand | !monospaced |
| 19:05.45 | Overand | er |
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| 19:05.50 | Overand | !bitmapped |
| 19:05.54 | valdyn | pauliukas: you sure you don't have at least ssh access too? |
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| 19:06.05 | quadrata | pauliukas: sensible? or sensitive? :) |
| 19:06.08 | pauliukas | nope |
| 19:06.16 | pauliukas | Sorry, I meant not sensitive |
| 19:06.23 | Overand | er, let me re-ask my question, but this time NOT wrong |
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| 19:06.40 | Overand | how can i get a BITMAPPED font into the equivalent of 'fontconfig' ala defoma, or whatever? |
| 19:06.47 | quadrata | pauliukas: so you're trying to download from the backup server? or upload? |
| 19:06.52 | pauliukas | upload |
| 19:06.53 | Overand | (I want to use a bitmapped font in a GTK2 app) |
| 19:06.54 | shizz | nvz, will i have to reboot after using the reconfigure/advanced |
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| 19:07.19 | quadrata | pauliukas: hrm. dunno. write a script? :) |
| 19:07.27 | paulswm | !irritate Phated |
| 19:07.27 | dpkg | Phated: HELP ME!!! who uses kde ???/ |
| 19:07.38 | theD3viL | me |
| 19:07.38 | theD3viL | :> |
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| 19:07.46 | paulswm | YAY! |
| 19:07.52 | ejoy | Hello! |
| 19:08.00 | valdyn | pauliukas: since your options appear to be *very* limited, just build a tarball and upload it, and probably cronjob that 2-line script.. |
| 19:08.01 | nvz | shizz: no, you just restart the server |
| 19:08.01 | pauliukas | quadrata: Scripts aren't the problem. Automation can be easy via CRON. Right now, I just want to get it to backup all files :-) |
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| 19:08.17 | shizz | nvz, ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 19:08.19 | nvz | shizz: I use GDM currently, I would /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 19:08.20 | shizz | nvz ? |
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| 19:08.30 | valdyn | pauliukas: man tar |
| 19:08.35 | pauliukas | valdyn: But... tarballing takes CPU |
| 19:08.36 | quadrata | pauliukas: well that's probably what I would do, anyway - iterate through all the files and recursively upload them via a script |
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| 19:08.50 | valdyn | pauliukas: no it doesnt really |
| 19:08.55 | ejoy | Can anyone recommend a photo management/view program like google's picasa or acdsee? |
| 19:09.02 | shizz | nvz, im using xfce4.2 - |
| 19:09.03 | nvz | shizz: that will kill the server. If you use a DM it may restart, but I dont know for sure it will read the config again, I would restart it from the init.d script to be sure |
| 19:09.14 | pauliukas | quadrata: What I was doing is put -r /www/files |
| 19:09.26 | McrayJ | can any one help me with download and install? |
| 19:09.30 | paulswm | ejoy: gthumb maybe |
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| 19:09.46 | ejoy | Ok, I'll have a look, thanks |
| 19:09.49 | nvz | xfce makes me want to have two pcs, one to shit in and the other to cover it up with |
| 19:09.52 | shizz | nvz, im a novice as you can tell -- how would i find and restart it from the init.d script? |
| 19:09.54 | McrayJ | hello all, |
| 19:09.55 | valdyn | pauliukas: compressing *does* take cpu, no way around that, but you do not have to compress, but disk load is something you wont get around. |
| 19:09.57 | paulswm | ejoy: yw |
| 19:10.11 | Azar | papa how did went the kernel installation? |
| 19:10.14 | pauliukas | how can I make it run in "nice"? |
| 19:10.24 | nvz | shizz: how do you login to xfce? from text mode then start X, or do you have a Graphical Display Manger that you login to? |
| 19:10.25 | valdyn | pauliukas: man nice |
| 19:10.27 | green_earz | McrayJ: do you have a broadband connection ? and bittorent ? |
| 19:10.30 | pauliukas | oh... |
| 19:10.35 | McrayJ | yes |
| 19:10.35 | pauliukas | makes sense. hehe |
| 19:10.58 | pauliukas | Does ncftp have a continue option? |
| 19:11.07 | McrayJ | i am downloading debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.is |
| 19:11.11 | valdyn | pauliukas: yes |
| 19:11.13 | McrayJ | is that correct? |
| 19:11.20 | shizz | nvz, i use the gdm |
| 19:11.23 | pauliukas | valdyn: How can I activate it then? |
| 19:11.47 | nvz | shizz: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 19:11.47 | nvz | shizz: as root |
| 19:11.47 | drac | McrayJ: yeah |
| 19:11.47 | McrayJ | is that all i need? |
| 19:11.50 | valdyn | pauliukas: no idea, its been years since i used it. |
| 19:11.54 | drac | McrayJ: yeah (again) |
| 19:11.56 | shizz | oki |
| 19:11.56 | pauliukas | oh... |
| 19:11.57 | pauliukas | nice |
| 19:11.58 | green_earz | McrayJ: why bittorent it will check to see if the image is ok, and all bittorent the net installer which is 110 meg cd. the rest of the install is over the net. |
| 19:12.05 | valdyn | pauliukas: i dont think they removed the resume cabapilities ) |
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| 19:12.06 | nvz | McrayJ: if you have broadband Cable, DSL or otherwise on the box you will install, you may rather use the netinstall cd, less to d/l |
| 19:12.26 | pauliukas | valdyn: well, the -c parameter doesn't work |
| 19:12.43 | valdyn | pauliukas: that could be a server side problem too |
| 19:12.44 | paulswm | I'd use the netinstall anyway, even with dial up, just set it going overnight |
| 19:12.48 | nvz | McrayJ: netinstall is just the base system and you can d/l other packages from there as you need them. |
| 19:12.53 | McrayJ | no im using this Windows box to transfer to another box with no OS on |
| 19:13.10 | nvz | McrayJ: you dont need an OS, does it have a net connection? |
| 19:13.19 | McrayJ | nope... its old... |
| 19:13.20 | steve_ | how do i watch DVD's in debian |
| 19:13.29 | valdyn | pauliukas: any good reason why you cannot simple install ssh on the server? |
| 19:13.30 | McrayJ | useing a ethernet port... |
| 19:13.39 | nvz | McrayJ: what do you plan on doing with it? |
| 19:13.39 | pauliukas | valdyn: Yeah... I was thinking of that also. I'm also contacting the backup operator |
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| 19:13.48 | pauliukas | valdyn: No. It's not operated by me |
| 19:13.48 | McrayJ | using it to programm |
| 19:13.54 | valdyn | pauliukas: i see |
| 19:13.56 | McrayJ | just to test out linux |
| 19:13.58 | pauliukas | It's a big RAID array |
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| 19:14.18 | McrayJ | iv never use it befor and though this could be a good place to start |
| 19:14.19 | nvz | McrayJ: because if you have no network connection to the internet, 1 binary cd isnt even enough to install a full Desktop Environment of either Gnome or KDE |
| 19:14.20 | pauliukas | I've got a backup operator doing daily backups to tape from that beast... |
| 19:14.22 | shizz | nvz, well it doesn't seem to have worked |
| 19:14.25 | green_earz | McrayJ: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ the net istaller at the bottom of the list |
| 19:14.32 | valdyn | pauliukas: nothing worse than ftp for this since i think you *have* to create a tarball with this.. |
| 19:14.39 | nvz | shizz: have you ever edited your X configuration manually? |
| 19:14.48 | pauliukas | yeah. I'm thinking right now how should I proceed |
| 19:14.56 | pauliukas | Do you know any good scripting HOW-TOs? |
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| 19:15.02 | websdale | McrayJ: cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:15.09 | McrayJ | umm i see. |
| 19:15.12 | valdyn | pauliukas: its not a hard to write script... |
| 19:15.15 | shizz | nvz, yes for my nvidia card |
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| 19:15.27 | nvz | It takes at least the first 3 cds to install the "Desktop Environment" thingy from tasksel which selects all of gnome and KDE |
| 19:15.33 | valdyn | pauliukas: tar blah && upload blah, thats it.. |
| 19:15.34 | McrayJ | and is this the best way to install debian then? |
| 19:15.40 | pauliukas | well |
| 19:15.46 | pauliukas | remember that I need to run it in nice |
| 19:15.47 | nvz | shizz: well did you update the checksum on the file after that? |
| 19:15.55 | thingfish | yes it does, I just installed sarge from CDs. |
| 19:15.58 | shizz | nvz, i dont understand |
| 19:16.00 | pauliukas | and I must delete the tar when bakup finished |
| 19:16.04 | websdale | McrayJ: Yes,if youve got broadband |
| 19:16.05 | valdyn | pauliukas: nice nice tar blah && nice nice upload blah |
| 19:16.06 | samuel | anyone know what i may need to play dvds? i remember a libdecss, but i cant find it? was that in a separate repository? |
| 19:16.19 | pauliukas | why two nice? |
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| 19:16.28 | valdyn | pauliukas: man nice |
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| 19:16.35 | pauliukas | heh okay |
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| 19:16.48 | nvz | shizz: when dpkg-reconfigure (debconf) edits the configuration file, it compares the md5checksum of the config file with a saved checksum from the last time debconf saved the file, if they differ, debconf will not write the file |
| 19:16.52 | McrayJ | which i have, but i do not have BB on the computer which i whish to install debian on so can i still take the install and move it across? |
| 19:16.53 | valdyn | !tell samuel about marillat |
| 19:16.54 | samuel | also: the menus seem to have changed in unstable? can you no longer edit them with nautilus? |
| 19:17.05 | nvz | shizz: therefore the past few times you ran dpkg-reconfigure it never wrote anything |
| 19:17.06 | samuel | valdyn, thanks! that was it! |
| 19:17.16 | shizz | nvz, so how can I fix that? |
| 19:17.20 | error403 | this may sound like a stupid question, but is there an easy way to control volume without installing something like kmix ? |
| 19:17.23 | valdyn | samuel: you shouldnt be running unstable if brokenness surprises you.. |
| 19:17.46 | valdyn | error403: like what? |
| 19:17.53 | nvz | shizz: well you can either just go in and modify the file manually, or you can update the checksum and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again |
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| 19:17.58 | websdale | McrayJ:they're not networked together then? |
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| 19:18.13 | error403 | valdyn, like something already build into kde-core |
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| 19:18.17 | valdyn | error403: you sure could change volume in the c programming language ;) |
| 19:18.22 | McrayJ | no, i can net work them due to the age of the old Pc its a p 166...... |
| 19:18.33 | vox | pfft |
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| 19:18.48 | vox | McrayJ: why cant you network a p166? |
| 19:18.53 | shizz | nvz, would updating the chucksum be the wiser idea? |
| 19:19.03 | valdyn | error403: i dont think volume control should be in the core since not every computer with a gui needs to have a soundcard. |
| 19:19.08 | vox | McrayJ: i've got a p133 and a p200 here runing as fileservers |
| 19:19.15 | samuel | valdyn, doesnt surprise, just curious... because gnome-menus conforms to the freedesktop.org rules now, so i was wondering if the menu editor changed... although unstable is going to start going way unstable now huh? might be a good idea to just use sarge... |
| 19:19.15 | valdyn | error403: so it kinda makes sense... |
| 19:19.21 | McrayJ | well due to the fact it has 1. no network card 2. a really old ethernet port |
| 19:19.33 | nvz | shizz: only if you plan on using debconf to manage the file. if you plan on doing it manually, you dont want to update it, cause then you can accidentally overwrite your custom settings |
| 19:19.37 | pauliukas | there is no such thing as old ethernet port |
| 19:19.40 | McrayJ | umm i see |
| 19:19.41 | error403 | valdyn, fair enough |
| 19:19.41 | pauliukas | if it's oild, it's not ethernet |
| 19:19.47 | error403 | i just installed Kmix anyway |
| 19:19.47 | valdyn | samuel: gnome is moving 2.8->2.10 so its somewhat broken atm |
| 19:19.48 | error403 | hehe |
| 19:19.50 | nvz | shizz: if you think you would be better of using debconf, then do this as root |
| 19:19.57 | nvz | shizz: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 19:20.11 | nvz | shizz: then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again |
| 19:20.21 | valdyn | error403: i bet kde too has a tiny volume control applet, which probably does or does not enough for you |
| 19:20.22 | vox | McrayJ: there's a driver for pretty much any ethernet card made |
| 19:20.38 | vox | even ancient ISA ne2000 cards |
| 19:20.39 | nvz | shizz: and choose advanced, put in the ranges, and choose all modes 1280x1024 and lower |
| 19:20.44 | McrayJ | i need cable to connet to it.. which i dont think i have |
| 19:20.45 | BigBlockO | hey guys, i've got this cronjob running and i can't figure out where its being set up |
| 19:20.45 | error403 | hmmm, is there a way to see if the PowerNow module is loaded? |
| 19:20.47 | nvz | shizz: unless you dont want it that high |
| 19:20.48 | samuel | valdyn, i see... ill look at the changes, thanks |
| 19:21.03 | error403 | or is frequency scaling broken at the moment? |
| 19:21.09 | websdale | McrayJ:Do you mean its not an RJ45 socket & you don't have a plug that'll fit it? |
| 19:21.16 | nvz | shizz: I use 1280x1024 on here with 9pt fonts, on my 15". thats its max resolution.. and I think its the max on yours too |
| 19:21.20 | valdyn | error403: lsmod | grep powernow |
| 19:21.25 | McrayJ | yes thats what it is i think |
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| 19:21.50 | vox | when is gnome 2.10 going to be fixed in sid? </sarcasm> |
| 19:22.01 | BigBlockO | is there any way to tell what files cron is executing? |
| 19:22.01 | error403 | valdyn, that didnt output anything |
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| 19:22.11 | valdyn | vox: in few days, its almost done |
| 19:22.13 | vox | error403: then its not loaded |
| 19:22.17 | error403 | hmm |
| 19:22.18 | McrayJ | althou i have a spar port on this box im sure i can remove it and move it to the other box.... |
| 19:22.19 | vox | valdyn: i was being silly :) |
| 19:22.24 | vox | error403: modconf |
| 19:22.25 | valdyn | error403: so the module for powernow is not loaded |
| 19:22.27 | nvz | I wonder how much longer the coaster was invented after the cold drink |
| 19:22.28 | error403 | any way to make it load? |
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| 19:22.32 | vox | error403: modconf |
| 19:22.34 | websdale | McrayJ: if you've got a newer PCI NIC you could put it in the p133 |
| 19:22.36 | nvz | I got can rings all over my desk |
| 19:22.38 | Ick | how do i determine what version of java I have? |
| 19:22.46 | error403 | vox, ? |
| 19:22.50 | Ick | java is a pain in the butt to get working |
| 19:22.53 | valdyn | Ick: java -version ? |
| 19:22.55 | vox | error403: run modconf |
| 19:22.58 | McrayJ | i suppose... |
| 19:23.12 | error403 | vox, do i need to install modconf first? or is it core? |
| 19:23.17 | vox | Ick: err no it's not |
| 19:23.20 | vox | error403: core |
| 19:23.23 | error403 | .... |
| 19:23.32 | valdyn | Ick: its very very easy to get working right, where is your problem? how are you trying to install it? |
| 19:23.33 | McrayJ | i suppose i can give that a try and then use the net install... |
| 19:23.34 | vox | error403: you need to run it as root |
| 19:23.35 | error403 | vox, not in MY core setup :P just installed it... |
| 19:23.38 | BigBlockO | its a cronjob that's testing sendmail |
| 19:23.43 | BigBlockO | and i can't figure out where its running from |
| 19:23.49 | drac | Ick: It's easy.. with java-package (make-jpkg). http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml |
| 19:23.50 | nvz | my desk is about 5ftx3ft so its big enough to have a bit of a messy zone and still be productive |
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| 19:24.18 | Ick | i'll ask dpkg, but he couldn't help me |
| 19:24.27 | Ick | azureus is giving me problems |
| 19:24.30 | valdyn | !java-package |
| 19:24.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. ... |
| 19:24.36 | valdyn | Ick: on which architecture? |
| 19:25.04 | nvz | its really just a big table with a small drawer on the one side. |
| 19:25.06 | myren | make-jpkg rocks |
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| 19:25.09 | vox | error403: apt-get install it then :) |
| 19:25.13 | drac | java-package factoid needs some upgrading :) |
| 19:25.15 | vox | <3 make-jpkg |
| 19:25.28 | error403 | is there any way to force a cpu-frequency change using a powernow module? |
| 19:25.34 | Ick | valdyn: i686 |
| 19:25.40 | McrayJ | can u make a partion during the debian install? |
| 19:25.46 | valdyn | Ick: then it works w/ suns j2se |
| 19:25.46 | Ick | McrayJ: of course |
| 19:25.47 | vox | McrayJ: yes |
| 19:25.52 | shizz | nvz, do I put 30-66khz or 30-66 ? |
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| 19:26.07 | McrayJ | and not loose any info on the hard drive ATM |
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| 19:26.17 | nvz | shizz: I thought it was 30-60 Hfreq, and 50-90 Vrefresh |
| 19:26.21 | vox | McrayJ: no |
| 19:26.26 | BigBlockO | so where should i look for an odd cronjob |
| 19:26.29 | nvz | shizz: for your monitor.. the 17 inch were 30-66 IIRC |
| 19:26.35 | McrayJ | so can i partiton now and then install deb? |
| 19:26.37 | valdyn | error403: cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
| 19:26.53 | vox | McrayJ: once you alter the partion tables on a hard drive, data goes. |
| 19:27.07 | McrayJ | um i see. |
| 19:27.15 | nvz | shizz: no I guess it is 30-66 |
| 19:27.19 | valdyn | error403: lsmod | grep userspace |
| 19:27.20 | Ick | back it up somewhere first |
| 19:27.20 | shizz | nvz, should i specify 30-66 and leave it with just numbers, or do I have to put 30-66 IIRC |
| 19:27.25 | McrayJ | so no matter when i partiton it i will loose my data right? |
| 19:27.26 | error403 | valdyn, i do cpu_minfreq or something? |
| 19:27.43 | error403 | valdyn, nothing... |
| 19:27.54 | vox | McrayJ: you will lose any existing data on the hard drive |
| 19:28.00 | amphi | error403: WAYTTD? |
| 19:28.11 | nvz | shizz: I see no difference in your comparison |
| 19:28.12 | error403 | amphi, ??? |
| 19:28.14 | Ick | McrayJ: yep |
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| 19:28.26 | shizz | nvz, sorry.. |
| 19:28.26 | McrayJ | ick: ok thanks |
| 19:28.26 | vox | Ick: to install jave, get the java tarball, apt-get install make-jpkg, man make-jpkg |
| 19:28.28 | valdyn | error403: scaling_available_frequencies contains the values you can echo to scaling_setspeed iirc |
| 19:28.31 | vox | *java |
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| 19:29.01 | amphi | error403: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:29.08 | valdyn | Ick: java .bin file actually |
| 19:29.15 | Ick | okay |
| 19:29.21 | error403 | amphi, im trying to see if my powernow module is actually working |
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| 19:29.27 | nichos | hi all, i keep getting this in my syslog: SMTP error: 451 Temporary local problem - please try later - im trying to use fetchmail to pop for local delivery |
| 19:29.34 | vox | oh |
| 19:29.34 | shizz | 30-66 isn't different than 30-66 IIRC ? |
| 19:29.35 | error403 | like, will scale the frequencies properly.. |
| 19:29.37 | vox | my bad :) |
| 19:29.37 | shizz | nvz |
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| 19:29.43 | AlexanRO | having a problem installing sarge using the 2nd binary iso cd, i select cdrom but the scan fails |
| 19:29.43 | valdyn | error403: echo 1 > scaling_setspeed should set to lowest available freq |
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| 19:29.54 | EricBarch | I'm trying to setup a basic server with Apache/PHP/MySQL with Debian. Out of the 14 ISOs which should I download if I just want a server to have those packages and host MUDs? |
| 19:30.05 | _MC_ | hi, why can I NOT activate in kernel-version 2.6.11 /dev/agpgart (AGP Support), the button is disabled... thx |
| 19:30.06 | BigBlockO | anyone know why i'd be getting this message? mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/run/sendmail/msp': Permission denied |
| 19:30.07 | vox | AlexanRO: dodgy cd? |
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| 19:30.08 | valdyn | error403: scaling_cur_freq then can tell you the current freq.. |
| 19:30.13 | nvz | shizz: IIRC is If I Recall Correctly |
| 19:30.19 | nvz | shizz: an IRC acronym |
| 19:30.26 | shizz | nvz, lol |
| 19:30.29 | gullyfoyle | how do i add more windowmanager selections to the gdm sessions menu? |
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| 19:30.35 | AlexanRO | vox: dodgy? |
| 19:30.38 | JVaughn | or if i remember correctly :) |
| 19:30.38 | amphi | error403: oh - scaling_cur_freq shows the current setting, FWIW |
| 19:30.43 | valdyn | gullyfoyle: by installing more |
| 19:30.44 | vox | AlexanRO: corrupted |
| 19:30.45 | shizz | nvz, novice. i told you.. im novice |
| 19:30.48 | takatumi | gullyfoyle: just install 'em |
| 19:31.00 | paulswm | quadrata: I have been joined there for 67 minutes, and the first acutal message I saw was yours :) |
| 19:31.07 | error403 | amphi, i know the current, i want to force it to change so that i know it is working.... |
| 19:31.11 | quadrata | paulswm: heh |
| 19:31.24 | valdyn | error403: did you read what i said? |
| 19:31.27 | EricBarch | Can someone help me? |
| 19:31.28 | gullyfoyle | i installed enlightenment (don't laugh) but it doesnt show up |
| 19:31.29 | AlexanRO | vox: even though the md5sum checks out good? |
| 19:31.43 | error403 | valdyn, yes, 1 sec |
| 19:31.53 | amphi | error403: so echo one of the values in scaling_available_frequencies to scaling_setspeed |
| 19:31.58 | shizz | i give up on this crap, nvz |
| 19:32.03 | valdyn | gullyfoyle: yes, englightenment is the exception, doesnt add itself to that menu |
| 19:32.04 | error403 | is that echo L or one ? |
| 19:32.08 | nvz | shizz: well if someone says something in caps, ask the bots |
| 19:32.09 | gullyfoyle | ahhh |
| 19:32.13 | nvz | dpkg FWIW? |
| 19:32.13 | dpkg | well, fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth |
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| 19:32.19 | valdyn | error403: 1 the number |
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| 19:32.25 | amphi | error403: 1 seems to work to force it to the lowest available freq |
| 19:32.42 | vox | AlexanRO: hmm. the only reason would be a physical defect of the disk |
| 19:32.49 | martinja | Who here was writing Debian 3.1 Bible? |
| 19:32.53 | MrBallZ | Phated : it didn't work , the .xsession , with the 2 lines of the programs i want to load at startup .... :S:S |
| 19:32.54 | error403 | amphi, valdyn, bash: scaling_setspeed: Permission denied |
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| 19:33.00 | gullyfoyle | how do i find out what version of fluxbox is in stable? |
| 19:33.00 | error403 | and yes i AM runnig as root |
| 19:33.03 | error403 | im not stupid |
| 19:33.04 | error403 | :P |
| 19:33.04 | thyhorror | Question: i have a problem . i want to cat two files to one new one that have both files contents in it . but "cat 1.txt > new.txt ; cat 2.txt > new.txt" just copies over the file. anyone know what i need to do ? |
| 19:33.15 | valdyn | error403: cat scaling_governor |
| 19:33.16 | AlexanRO | vox: i doubt that i just redownload cd 2 |
| 19:33.16 | nvz | gullyfoyle: /msg dpkg info fluxbox stable |
| 19:33.17 | Phated | MrBallZ: :S |
| 19:33.29 | BigBlockO | anyone know where i should look for an errant cronjob? |
| 19:33.30 | nvz | gullyfoyle: packages.debian.org/fluxbox |
| 19:33.31 | error403 | performance |
| 19:33.39 | error403 | valdyn, its on performance... |
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| 19:33.41 | BigBlockO | i know the user who is running it |
| 19:33.44 | vox | AlexanRO: the DISK, not the downloaded data |
| 19:33.46 | BigBlockO | but its not in their crontab |
| 19:33.56 | valdyn | error403: try echo "userspace" > scaling_governor |
| 19:33.57 | error403 | valdyn, do i need to reconfigure kernel to work with powernow for my laptop? |
| 19:33.59 | BigBlockO | and so i just can't figure out where its coming from |
| 19:34.01 | _MC_ | <<hi, why can I NOT activate in kernel-version 2.6.11 /dev/agpgart (AGP Support), this feature appears in character devices..... are there any dependencies??? THX |
| 19:34.07 | valdyn | error403: no! |
| 19:34.09 | vox | AlexanRO: try re-burning it on a new cd |
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| 19:34.12 | egon_spengler | thyhorror: Try >> instead of > for the append |
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| 19:34.21 | MrBallZ | Phated , what can i do then .... |
| 19:34.26 | AlexanRO | vox: ty |
| 19:34.26 | error403 | valdyn, done... |
| 19:34.33 | BigBlockO | hey, can anyone here even see what i'm typing? |
| 19:34.39 | valdyn | error403: now cat scaling_governor |
| 19:34.39 | nvz | BigBlockO: yep |
| 19:34.40 | shingouz | BigBlockO: no |
| 19:34.46 | amphi | error403: does scaling_driver show the correct driver for yr chipset? |
| 19:34.47 | BigBlockO | haa |
| 19:34.47 | nvz | BigBlockO: try asking the question all together |
| 19:34.51 | Phated | MrBallZ: KDM might use a different config, try checking kdm docs... Sorry. :( |
| 19:34.52 | thyhorror | egon_spengler: thanks |
| 19:34.52 | BigBlockO | okay |
| 19:34.53 | nvz | BigBlockO: not spread across |
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| 19:35.02 | MrBallZ | no prob ... |
| 19:35.04 | nvz | BigBlockO: time and space |
| 19:35.04 | error403 | valdyn, still performance |
| 19:35.10 | nvz | BigBlockO: Like this because |
| 19:35.27 | valdyn | error403: dmesg | grep -i powernow |
| 19:35.29 | AlexanRO | vox: i am also able to mount to the cd and view its contents that tha make a difference? |
| 19:35.30 | nvz | BigBlockO: its harder to follow |
| 19:35.39 | error403 | amphi, yes, its powernow-k8, which is correct... |
| 19:35.40 | BigBlockO | Hey all, I've got a cronjob that's running that's sending me these emails, saying Cron <smmsp@master> test -x /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp, and i can't figure out what's causing that to happen |
| 19:35.42 | nvz | BigBlockO: unless someone is talking right at you like I am now |
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| 19:35.54 | MrBallZ | no prob ... |
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| 19:36.01 | valdyn | error403: cat scaling_available_governors |
| 19:36.07 | BigBlockO | ok |
| 19:36.22 | amphi | error403: and does scaling_available_frequencies show a range of values? |
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| 19:36.26 | error403 | valdyn, go to #flood, ill output my result from that command |
| 19:36.31 | error403 | amphi, yes |
| 19:36.39 | valdyn | error403: im there |
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| 19:36.42 | BigBlockO | well there's the question nvz |
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| 19:37.36 | nvz | BigBlockO: I don't know the answer. Patience is a virtue. and there are always mailing lists which reach a far wider audience. often get better advice quicker, for specific issues |
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| 19:38.05 | vox | AlexanRO: still doesnt rule out a defect with the disk |
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| 19:40.38 | Phated | MrBallZ: http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/startup.php look in the ksmserver section, it might do what you want, but looks a little complicated. :/ |
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| 19:41.50 | MrBallZ | Phated , found this ... look |
| 19:41.51 | MrBallZ | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/50 |
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| 19:42.02 | MrBallZ | i just tryed it , ill logout |
| 19:42.13 | MrBallZ | but i cant stop kdm , it doesnt stop |
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| 19:42.36 | MrBallZ | to try it out, i do /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 19:42.43 | Phated | Go to one of your ttys and do /etc/init.d/kdm restart as root from there? |
| 19:42.44 | MrBallZ | it doesnt stop it, i have to kill the process |
| 19:42.51 | MrBallZ | nope, doest work |
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| 19:43.13 | silverton | okay, what's the easiest way to transfer a 3.9GB image from an ext3 partition to a samba NTFS share? |
| 19:43.13 | MrBallZ | what i do, is logout from kde, then login from comand line, in the kdm login screen |
| 19:43.31 | nvz | silverton: DVD+RW :P |
| 19:43.32 | silverton | mounting the directory and just trying to copy it over says "File size limit exceeded" |
| 19:43.48 | silverton | nvz, the ease in that, isn't very easy |
| 19:43.51 | MrBallZ | silverton: i would use , MC , and yup, mount the other partition |
| 19:43.51 | silverton | I have to work |
| 19:43.58 | silverton | MC? |
| 19:44.04 | nvz | silverton: apperently you dont realize your other options.. heh |
| 19:44.09 | MrBallZ | Phated, why do you think that kdm wont stop |
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| 19:44.16 | MrBallZ | silverton , Midnight Commander ... |
| 19:44.29 | silverton | =/ |
| 19:44.34 | Phated | MrBallZ: It's not supposed to -stop- when you issue a restart. If you want it to -stop-, then /etc/init.d/kdm stop. |
| 19:45.02 | silverton | How would I do that over an ssh seesion? |
| 19:45.12 | Phated | MC is... command-line? |
| 19:45.22 | Phated | Not exactly difficult. |
| 19:45.24 | silverton | I don't know? |
| 19:45.34 | _MC_ | Phated, not commandline menuconfig |
| 19:45.43 | Phated | _MC_: Bugger off, you. |
| 19:45.50 | nvz | silverton: I mean you have no other options, you cannot even put both drives in one machine, because linux doesnt write to NTFS, and windows doesnt read ext3. you pretty much have scp, ftp, samba, http, or just burning it to dvd, which is the quickest way |
| 19:45.57 | Phated | silverton: At least, it works without X. |
| 19:45.57 | _MC_ | P=) |
| 19:46.13 | MrBallZ | Phated: BRB ..... |
| 19:46.24 | silverton | nvz, how does scp work? |
| 19:46.33 | nvz | silverton: scp copies through ssh |
| 19:46.58 | silverton | [[user@]host1:]file1 and if user is Anonymous? |
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| 19:47.03 | nvz | silverton: you will need to google for putty, and you will need pscp.exe I guess |
| 19:47.10 | silverton | I have putty |
| 19:47.14 | silverton | that's how I'm sshing at the moment |
| 19:47.22 | nvz | silverton: putty doesnt do scp |
| 19:47.26 | pureone | winscp |
| 19:47.30 | nvz | silverton: you need the scp program from the site |
| 19:47.34 | amphi | putty's cousin pscp does |
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| 19:47.47 | nvz | puttty website has a whole bunch of programs |
| 19:47.50 | silverton | okay, well, here is what I'm trying to do Putty from machine 1, to machine 2, to copy something to machine 3 |
| 19:47.59 | Bronze_ | hi all |
| 19:48.06 | silverton | so, I basically need to be on machine 3? |
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| 19:48.12 | nvz | yep |
| 19:48.16 | silverton | bah... |
| 19:48.18 | Karnaugh | Bronze_: hi |
| 19:48.20 | Karnaugh | :P |
| 19:48.21 | nvz | basically you need to burn a dvd IMHO |
| 19:48.22 | silverton | requires getting up >.< |
| 19:48.24 | henryb | i am using a music libary tool called madman. i am able to edit id3 tags with it locally, but i cannot edit files that are on an NFS |
| 19:48.31 | silverton | nvz, if I had the money, I'd buy a dvd burner |
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| 19:48.46 | henryb | thing is, i can edit the files just fine from the console, move them around, that kind of thing... |
| 19:48.49 | silverton | I've yet to get my first paycheck >.< |
| 19:48.54 | pureone | http://winscp.net/download/winscp375.exe |
| 19:48.54 | nvz | moving a 3.9GB file from an EXT3 partition to an NTFS partition on another machine, itsn an easy task |
| 19:49.10 | AlexanRO | vox:ty, i'll give it another shot |
| 19:49.11 | silverton | I figured cp would do it |
| 19:49.15 | henryb | nvz - what about ftp? |
| 19:49.17 | silverton | I used rsync to get it to that machine |
| 19:49.28 | Rockret | where I need put this command to load every boot "ifconfig eth1 100.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.0.0 broadcast 100.0.0.255 up" ? |
| 19:49.29 | Bronze_ | I'm trying to do a non block read in a ksh unix script... |
| 19:49.32 | henryb | nvz or smb, or even the putty project's scp |
| 19:49.32 | Rickdangerous | silverton, set up a samba server on linux machine? |
| 19:49.42 | silverton | Rickdangerous, samba is set up |
| 19:49.43 | Bronze_ | anyone can help? |
| 19:49.51 | nvz | henryb: listen... computers are like air conditioning units, when you open windows, they just dont work very well. |
| 19:49.54 | Rickdangerous | silverton, doesn't it work? |
| 19:50.00 | henryb | nvz - ah hahah, very nice |
| 19:50.07 | silverton | haven't really messed with it on that machine, I'd have to create a share |
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| 19:50.17 | henryb | i'm bloody glad i don't deal with windows anymore |
| 19:50.21 | silverton | which, I'm about to get up and mess with |
| 19:50.29 | AlexanRO | vox:while i'm at it how many of the binary isos will i need for a base kde session |
| 19:50.33 | Rockret | good queston, how to run samba or check if it is working ? |
| 19:50.35 | Whisky_ | Alright |
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| 19:50.44 | Whisky_ | my motd isnt displayed on login. :\ |
| 19:50.46 | henryb | /etc/init.d/samba start <<< that will tell you a couple things :) |
| 19:50.57 | Rickdangerous | silverton, or it's no a big deal to setup ssh. select your weapon... |
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| 19:51.14 | henryb | silverton - you are the one that is moving this big file? |
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| 19:51.26 | henryb | silverton - don't use samba, it's the slowest protocol to use |
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| 19:51.34 | henryb | silverton - ftp or ssh (scp) is the way to go |
| 19:51.44 | Azar | how can I see how much space is Sarge taking on my HD? |
| 19:51.50 | henryb | df -h |
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| 19:51.59 | Rockret | /etc/init.d/samba start (file or directory not found) |
| 19:52.01 | henryb | although that's everything...if you mean just Sarge's packages, good luck |
| 19:52.07 | henryb | Rockret - so you do not have it installed probably... |
| 19:52.14 | Rickdangerous | Azar, du -sh / |
| 19:52.15 | henryb | Rockret - so it's a simple apt-get :) |
| 19:52.23 | Rockret | oh ok |
| 19:52.27 | Rockret | let's go |
| 19:52.37 | Seb | what is it I might have forgotten in my 2.6.11 kernel config, if my dhclient doesn't receive the leases that the DHCP server is indeed sending to it ? |
| 19:52.46 | Azar | thanks Rockret, eh not too bad 94M |
| 19:52.53 | Seb | i'm thinking it must be kernel related, cause it was working OK this morning before I booted this custom kernel |
| 19:53.03 | henryb | Azar - that is very unlikely.... |
| 19:53.03 | Rickdangerous | Azar, as root... |
| 19:53.15 | Rockret | no here show only 5 M download |
| 19:53.27 | henryb | Azar - make sure you run as root, and incluce the '/' to indicate that you are measuring everything from the root of the filesystem |
| 19:53.29 | Rockret | 11 Mb after uncompress |
| 19:53.43 | henryb | Azar - but really, 'df -h' is faster |
| 19:54.10 | Azar | oh I see |
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| 19:54.21 | valdyn | du is completely useless to measure disk usage... |
| 19:54.25 | Bronze_ | I have to write a wrapper for the sqlplus connect script for 10g, and sometimes the command is piped in and other times the program is passed in a a variable |
| 19:54.33 | henryb | valydn - that is not exactly accurate |
| 19:54.39 | henryb | valydn 'completely useless'.... |
| 19:54.53 | Bronze_ | when there is nothing piped in, the 'read' effectively hangs |
| 19:54.59 | Rockret | version is 3.0.14.a ? (samba) |
| 19:55.03 | Bronze_ | so I need a non-blocking read |
| 19:55.03 | Rickdangerous | valdyn, why is that? |
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| 19:55.11 | henryb | Rockret - that is a decent version for sure |
| 19:55.16 | valdyn | henryb: each file will on average waste half a block of space, each hardlink gets counted twice. |
| 19:55.17 | Azar | 1.3G out of 46G not bad |
| 19:55.22 | Rockret | ok, thanks |
| 19:55.34 | henryb | valydn - ah i see what you mean |
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| 19:56.02 | airox | Hi |
| 19:56.03 | Rickdangerous | valdyn, then what's the way to correctly find it? |
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| 19:56.19 | Rickdangerous | !hi airox |
| 19:56.20 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai airox! |
| 19:56.29 | airox | Anybody ever got rivatv (video in drivers for nvidia) working with a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 19:56.31 | Rockret | other question .. every time that I made boot .. i need up my eth1 ... with command: ifconfig eth1 100.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.0.0 broadcast 100.0.0.255 up |
| 19:56.39 | airox | Rickdangerous: ;) |
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| 19:56.53 | galois | apt-get update fails with "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 19:57.00 | airox | I can load the module but there doesn't seem to be a /dev/video0 :( |
| 19:57.01 | dondelelcaro | !dynamic mmap |
| 19:57.02 | dpkg | dynamic mmap is probably "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 19:57.11 | valdyn | Rickdangerous: df if your partitioning is fine grained enough, otherwise i dont know of an easy way |
| 19:57.19 | galois | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 19:57.31 | Rickdangerous | valdyn, ok |
| 19:57.38 | amphi | Rockret: man 5 interfaces perhaps |
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| 19:58.13 | Rickdangerous | valdyn, but df already shows how much blocks are occupied |
| 19:58.21 | Rickdangerous | valdyn, er s/df/du |
| 19:58.42 | Rickdangerous | --> 4.0K .bashr |
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| 20:00.16 | valdyn | Rickdangerous: nice , good point, just missing hardlinks then |
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| 20:00.55 | Rickdangerous | valdyn, dunno... |
| 20:01.09 | error403 | valdyn, back... |
| 20:01.21 | nvz | having your modem hooked to a switched outlet is not a good idea |
| 20:01.23 | myren | is there any way to setup a dynamic dns provider? |
| 20:01.26 | valdyn | Rickdangerous: then itll probably be wrong for reiserfs or so it seems |
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| 20:01.32 | nvz | people will inevitbly hit the switch |
| 20:01.37 | galois | is aptitude the best way to move from woody->sarge or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:01.42 | Rickdangerous | valdyn, pyes I guess so.. |
| 20:01.53 | Rickdangerous | valdyn, in some case... |
| 20:02.09 | Rickdangerous | galois, best way? please read th release notes. |
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| 20:02.18 | nvz | you could live alone in the middle of the woods, 500 miles from anyone, and someone would flip the switch that controlls your modem |
| 20:02.33 | valdyn | error403: any luck? |
| 20:02.39 | receptor | my firefox xrashed |
| 20:02.47 | receptor | first time |
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| 20:02.52 | nvz | there should be a warning sticker on modems, don't plug in to a switched outlet, may cause service interruptions |
| 20:02.57 | error403 | valdyn, no, still running s=full blast... |
| 20:03.03 | cinix | heh god damn ghosts keep killing my modem! |
| 20:03.13 | dondelelcaro | galois: aptitude... read the release notes. Help you they will. |
| 20:03.15 | cinix | err bears and coyotes |
| 20:03.21 | Rickdangerous | !rtfrn |
| 20:03.21 | dpkg | i guess rtfrn is Read the Fine Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 20:03.28 | valdyn | error403: dmesg | grep powernow in #flood, if its still spitting out that error you should defenitely switch kernel.. |
| 20:03.52 | Rickdangerous | ciaron, not jaguars and pythons? |
| 20:03.54 | ozzloy | how do i change the desktop background to be a terminal session? |
| 20:04.24 | Rickdangerous | cinix, ^^ |
| 20:04.42 | zumbi | ozzloy, ctrl+alt+f1 ? |
| 20:04.52 | ozzloy | zumbi, close |
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| 20:05.13 | zumbi | ozzloy, open |
| 20:05.16 | ozzloy | zumbi, i'd like to be in gnome though. i'm getting better with CLI but i can't live there just yet |
| 20:05.43 | valdyn | ozzloy: is maximizing your terminal window not good enough? |
| 20:06.24 | Azar | is Sarge gonna fit on a 500M HD? |
| 20:06.34 | valdyn | Azar: sure |
| 20:06.34 | galois | dondelelcaro: doing that now, will try and help myself from now on :) |
| 20:06.38 | ozzloy | valdyn, i could do that, but i partially want to learn how to do something like that with the desktop |
| 20:06.49 | Rickdangerous | Azar, depends on how much sarge you install on it :) |
| 20:07.01 | Azar | :) thanks guys |
| 20:07.09 | Rickdangerous | np |
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| 20:07.19 | Rockret | ok, i put command "nmbd smbd " |
| 20:07.21 | Rockret | and now ? |
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| 20:07.28 | ozzloy | zumbi, i meant "close" as in "close but no cigar". not sure if you were being witty or misunderstood me. funny wit if it was wit |
| 20:07.39 | Rockret | how to access other computer with win 98 |
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| 20:08.03 | Rickdangerous | Rockret, access to file sysyem or desktop? |
| 20:08.24 | Rickdangerous | Rockret, nevermind. you already said smb |
| 20:08.25 | Rockret | harddisk other computer in eth1 |
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| 20:09.22 | Rockret | really i am lost |
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| 20:10.02 | sirmikester | hi, anyone have any experience setting up nfs on a home network between 2 debian boxes? |
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| 20:10.23 | Rickdangerous | !tell sirmikester about ask |
| 20:10.27 | steve_ | hey- i messed up setting up X |
| 20:10.34 | steve_ | how can i delete the config file |
| 20:10.38 | jethro | steve_: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 20:10.41 | Rockret | i have one computer with linux and other with win 98 fat32 |
| 20:10.43 | steve_ | okay! |
| 20:10.46 | steve_ | !setup x |
| 20:10.47 | dpkg | set up x is, like, To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 20:10.49 | Rockret | how to access ? |
| 20:11.09 | Rickdangerous | Rockret, which one to access? to linux or windows box? |
| 20:11.12 | zumbi | Rockret, access how ? |
| 20:11.15 | Rockret | linux reading fat32 via network |
| 20:11.25 | steve_ | but is there a x windows config file? |
| 20:11.33 | steve_ | that i can just delete |
| 20:11.40 | jethro | steve_: yes, but you don't remove it. you use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:11.42 | paulswm | sirmikester: It isn't that hard, if you don't have the wotos installed locally, read the howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/index.html |
| 20:11.49 | zumbi | Rockret, you could use samba |
| 20:11.56 | Rockret | ok |
| 20:12.03 | steve_ | i tried that- but i cant get x to start anymore |
| 20:12.07 | Rockret | i made apt-get install samba |
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| 20:12.09 | paulswm | !irritate jethro |
| 20:12.10 | dpkg | jethro: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh quake3 lol |
| 20:12.10 | sirmikester | paulswm: i've been trying to set it up, i think i have everything configured right, but it's giving me an RPC connection error |
| 20:12.15 | steve_ | i just got a ibm thinkpad t42 |
| 20:12.17 | jethro | @annoy paulswm |
| 20:12.18 | ravenbird | paulswm: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 20:12.25 | jethro | :) |
| 20:12.32 | zumbi | !tell Rockret about samba |
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| 20:12.44 | paulswm | sirmikester: Ah, haven't come across that, it all workedforme(TM) |
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| 20:12.51 | jethro | steve_: what is the error message you get? |
| 20:12.58 | sirmikester | paulswm: thanks anyway :) |
| 20:12.59 | steve_ | x doesn't start |
| 20:13.01 | zumbi | Rockret, also i recommend you a front-end as LinNeighborhood |
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| 20:13.10 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, is portmap package installed? |
| 20:13.20 | steve_ | "i will disable this xserver for now" |
| 20:13.21 | paulswm | sirmikester: Sorry, someone here can prolly help though |
| 20:13.34 | jethro | steve_: look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 20:13.38 | Rockret | ok, thanks |
| 20:13.44 | jethro | steve_: look for (EE) lines there |
| 20:13.49 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: yes, i get the error while executing rpcinfo -p 192.168.1.72 |
| 20:13.51 | nenn | hey does anyone know how i can use the console font_6x11 ? its installed in the kern but i dont know how to access it |
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| 20:14.09 | valdyn | steve_: you might need atis binary driver, are you using it? |
| 20:14.18 | steve_ | no |
| 20:14.19 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: i'm trying to determine why i can't mount the drive on the nfs server on my client |
| 20:14.19 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, hm ok |
| 20:14.22 | steve_ | how do i get atis? |
| 20:14.27 | steve_ | what is atis? |
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| 20:14.50 | steve_ | oh- |
| 20:14.53 | steve_ | ATI's |
| 20:14.53 | jethro | steve_: ATIs driver |
| 20:15.00 | steve_ | i got it :-) |
| 20:15.07 | valdyn | steve_: grab it from flavio's site ( /msg dpkg ati drivers ) |
| 20:15.08 | steve_ | where do i get it though? |
| 20:15.17 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: I found this http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/troubleshooting.html#SYMPTOM3 |
| 20:15.17 | error403 | is it physically possible to change kernels without rebooting? |
| 20:15.26 | nenn | error403 no |
| 20:15.28 | cinix | Is there a package that will set the qtdir environment variable for me? |
| 20:15.33 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, is portmap enabled to listen on outside? |
| 20:15.33 | error403 | hmm, o |
| 20:15.38 | ozzloy | error403, that would be cool though |
| 20:15.42 | error403 | heh, yeah |
| 20:15.59 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: How do I check that |
| 20:16.12 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, netstat maybe |
| 20:17.21 | valdyn | sirmikester: dpkg-reconfigure portmap |
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| 20:17.45 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, netstat -apn|grep portmap |
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| 20:17.46 | sirmikester | valdyn: thanks i'll try that |
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| 20:18.08 | sirmikester | debianbox:/etc# netstat -apn|grep portma |
| 20:18.08 | sirmikester | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31215/portmap |
| 20:18.08 | sirmikester | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* 31215/portmap |
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| 20:19.11 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, ok it does but is it configured to to work on outside conenctions? try dpkg-reconfigure portmap |
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| 20:19.44 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: Stopping portmap daemon: portmap. |
| 20:19.44 | sirmikester | Starting portmap daemon: portmap. |
| 20:19.44 | sirmikester | Restoring old RPC service information...done. |
| 20:19.51 | sirmikester | that's what it says |
| 20:20.05 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: after i execute the command |
| 20:20.12 | steve__ | hey- do when i first configure xwindows it works |
| 20:20.15 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: I don't get to set anything else up |
| 20:20.19 | steve__ | but i messed something up |
| 20:20.29 | steve__ | is there anyway to start over? |
| 20:20.32 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, are you running woody? |
| 20:20.36 | steve__ | like delete the config file? |
| 20:20.40 | valdyn | !drxx steve__ |
| 20:20.41 | dpkg | steve__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:20.47 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: I'm running Testing |
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| 20:20.57 | steve__ | i did! |
| 20:20.58 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: sarge testing |
| 20:20.58 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, well i |
| 20:21.03 | error403 | valdyn, --> #flood |
| 20:21.04 | steve__ | but i cant get x to work |
| 20:21.14 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: so i guess you would call that etc |
| 20:21.18 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: so i guess you would call that etch |
| 20:21.21 | shingouz | sirmikester: sarge is not testing anymore, sarge is stable, etch is testing |
| 20:21.34 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, if you don't see any questions ther's nothing to configure. bu on my sid boxit asks me if I want portmap to bind localhost only |
| 20:21.46 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: hmm |
| 20:21.47 | shingouz | steve__: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 20:21.52 | nvz | it would be nice if I had backed up my address book off the damn Palm III before it decided to run out of power and loose everything |
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| 20:22.13 | Rickdangerous | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.23 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: what is that? |
| 20:22.38 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, it only listens same machine coonects |
| 20:22.46 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, loopback address is 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:23.07 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: yea |
| 20:23.22 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: i know about localhost, but in my case i think it is listening to the outside |
| 20:23.32 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: could it be a firewall issue? |
| 20:23.36 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, your problem maybe dffrerent tho. I'm not a nfs expert. |
| 20:23.43 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: how do i configure a firewall in 2.6 |
| 20:23.49 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, I don't know. you sjould examine itç |
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| 20:23.57 | Rickdangerous | should* |
| 20:24.00 | shingouz | sirmikester: iptables |
| 20:24.04 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: yep... |
| 20:24.05 | valdyn | sirmikester: no firewall is on by default, so likely nothing to configure.. |
| 20:24.12 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, I suggest shorewall |
| 20:24.13 | jethro | sirmikester: apt-get install ipmasq for a basic firewall/nat |
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| 20:24.38 | sirmikester | i think i'll setup a firewall after i get nfs to work... |
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| 20:25.02 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, that'll be wise :) classic nfs is insecure |
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| 20:26.20 | Rickdangerous | while you can limit export to some ip's it's still not a good idea to make it open ot net. |
| 20:26.26 | Rickdangerous | portmap too |
| 20:26.33 | Rickdangerous | to net* |
| 20:26.35 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: i'm behind a firewall/router |
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| 20:26.50 | nvz | oooh |
| 20:26.52 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: so i'm pretty safe, i just want to connect between 2 boxes on the same network |
| 20:27.02 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, I see. can't you use samba? |
| 20:27.15 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: samba is slow between 2 linux boxes |
| 20:27.25 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: i tried to get it to work... |
| 20:27.40 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, ok, good luck to you then |
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| 20:27.48 | valdyn | sirmikester: does scp not suffice? |
| 20:27.50 | error403 | valdyn, is there a way to disable any changes modconf made? |
| 20:27.51 | sirmikester | Rickdangerous: i tried to get it to work... and i had to wait like a minute to connect to remote networks |
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| 20:28.05 | sirmikester | valdyn: what is scp |
| 20:28.09 | valdyn | error403: modconf can remove modules too or you can manually edit /etc/modules |
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| 20:28.27 | jethro | valdyn: a network filsystem is not a file transfer protocol |
| 20:28.28 | TimFreeman | I want to my window manager to grab the arrow keys and let me use arrow keys to change the focused window. For example, pressing right arrow should change the focus from the current window to the nearest window that's off to ... |
| 20:28.28 | TimFreeman | the right. Is there a window manager that can easily be persuaded to do this? |
| 20:28.37 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, secure cp. cp command of ssh pcakage |
| 20:28.38 | error403 | valdyn, i mean just set everything back to how it was before i used modconf |
| 20:28.39 | valdyn | sirmikester: secure shell copy - scp file remotehost:~/somedir/ |
| 20:28.53 | petemc | you dont need the tilda |
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| 20:29.08 | valdyn | error403: remove the modules w/ modconf or remove them by editing /etc/modules |
| 20:29.11 | shingouz | sirmikester: scp file user@remotehost:/address/to file |
| 20:29.15 | nenn | TimFreeman you can get Bbkeys a tool for blackbox/fluxbox to set hotkeys |
| 20:29.16 | mith | TimFreeman: os x |
| 20:29.17 | sirmikester | valdyn: that would be fine if i just wanted to copy files remotely, but i want to mount the drive over the network. I'm trying to setup a media server |
| 20:29.20 | petemc | tilde, even |
| 20:29.20 | AlexanRO | i would appreciate some help, when I select cdrom for the apt configuration portion of the install the scan fails |
| 20:29.33 | AlexanRO | i can mount the cd and view its contents |
| 20:29.38 | jethro | sirmikester: :) |
| 20:29.39 | valdyn | sirmikester: i see |
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| 20:29.46 | error403 | valdyn, ok, thanks |
| 20:29.49 | nenn | AlexanRO why not use http? |
| 20:30.00 | Whisky_ | my motd isnt displayed on login. :\ |
| 20:30.00 | sirmikester | i'm building a PVR, and my music/movies are on my workstation |
| 20:30.02 | elbixio | Hi. I just bought a new LCD monitor. I need to reconfigure the xserver, but when I try dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it doesn't change the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. Any suggestion? |
| 20:30.08 | sirmikester | i want to access them over the network |
| 20:30.12 | AlexanRO | nenn: that box has no connectivity |
| 20:30.16 | nvz | petemc: are you trying to say that / is relative to $HOME of the user specified? |
| 20:30.26 | jethro | sirmikester: if it's all unix, nfs is just fine |
| 20:30.29 | nenn | AlexanRO oh :( |
| 20:30.33 | Whisky_ | HELP! my motd isnt displayed on login. :\ Debian 3.0 i got |
| 20:30.35 | Whisky_ | 3.1* |
| 20:30.36 | steve__ | hey- also i have an ibm thinkpad- |
| 20:30.36 | steve__ | what should i use for my mouse |
| 20:30.36 | steve__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.37 | steve__ | hackerz |
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| 20:30.40 | petemc | nvz: no, / is root, obviously |
| 20:30.41 | sirmikester | jethro: and i'm trying to configure it, but i can't mount the drive from my client |
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| 20:30.47 | Rickdangerous | nvz, no after : is relative to $HOME |
| 20:30.47 | valdyn | elbixio: dpkg --purge --force-all xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 20:30.59 | jethro | sirmikester: are you using a debian kernel image? |
| 20:31.09 | AlexanRO | is there anyway to force it? the mdsums are good, and i just reburned the iso img |
| 20:31.13 | sirmikester | jethro: yes, 2.6.8 |
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| 20:31.23 | nvz | Rickdangerous: really? so the : and ~ mean the same thing? |
| 20:31.27 | elbixio | valdyn: but that will uninstall the xserver-xfree86 package right? |
| 20:31.30 | nvz | sounds wrong to me |
| 20:31.33 | jethro | sirmikester: and you have all the mandatory packages on both ends? |
| 20:31.42 | sirmikester | jethro: yes, i followed a howto |
| 20:31.45 | Rickdangerous | nvz, talking for scp? |
| 20:31.46 | jethro | sirmikester: you need a bunch of rpc services iirc |
| 20:31.47 | valdyn | elbixio: read the whole line, yes |
| 20:31.48 | myren | anyone know a decent mysql channel? |
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| 20:32.06 | jim | #mysql? |
| 20:32.13 | jethro | !cluebat myren |
| 20:32.14 | nvz | the : is part of the syntax regaurdless, and I dont think the pathnames are relative |
| 20:32.17 | myren | i swear i just tried that and it didnt work |
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| 20:32.24 | jethro | myren: :) |
| 20:32.25 | jim | it's probably as decent as mysql itself is :) |
| 20:32.28 | cusco | hi... I just installed debian... |
| 20:32.31 | myren | i didnt even mistype it! against all odds |
| 20:32.31 | steve_ | hey- my mouse has problems |
| 20:32.31 | sirmikester | jethro: http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/nfs.htm |
| 20:32.34 | petemc | nvz: you dont need a tilde, how hard is that to understand? |
| 20:32.38 | Rickdangerous | nvz, path names are relative for scp here :) |
| 20:32.41 | steve_ | even when i dont right click- it right clicks |
| 20:32.48 | cusco | I was wondering as it has kernel 2.4 |
| 20:32.48 | elbixio | valdyn: :( my network is kind of slow, but i'll give it a try, since it seems there's no other way to do it |
| 20:32.55 | cusco | if I can install ndiswrapper |
| 20:32.58 | Rickdangerous | nvz, unless you satrt it with / after the : |
| 20:33.03 | Rickdangerous | start* |
| 20:33.05 | Wyzard | cusco: You can install kernel 2.6.8 |
| 20:33.09 | jim | right, they are relative to the location of your home dir |
| 20:33.16 | Wyzard | cusco: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 20:33.17 | nenn | anyone here using or know how to enable fonts installed in the kernel? |
| 20:33.23 | cusco | Wyzard trhu apt? |
| 20:33.29 | cusco | ok |
| 20:33.30 | jim | your.site:this/is/relative/to/your/home/dir |
| 20:33.36 | nvz | petemc: its pretty hard to understand how scp foo bar@foobar:/foo, is the same as scp foo bar@foobar:~/foo. |
| 20:33.48 | petemc | nvz: its not |
| 20:33.50 | jethro | sirmikester: what's the problem then? I'm sorry I jumped in late. |
| 20:33.55 | Rickdangerous | nvz, ok misunderstading. |
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| 20:34.05 | nvz | you said he didnt need a tilde, which implied that he didnt want that in the homedir |
| 20:34.05 | Supaplex | what can I use in apache 1.3.x to tunnel areas of a website into a different server? I want to serve https://secure.example.com/support-tickets/ off of https://rt.example.com/rt/. (w/o a redirect) |
| 20:34.06 | jim | your.site:/notice/the/beginning/slash/this/is/absolute/location |
| 20:34.07 | sirmikester | jethro: i time out when trying to mount the drive on my nfs client |
| 20:34.08 | Wyzard | cusco: (btw, if you say "linux26" at the installer's boot prompt, it'll run the installer under 2.6 and install 2.6 by default, so you don't have to upgrade it later) |
| 20:34.16 | Rickdangerous | nvz, I meant if you don't start with / after: . usual unix syntax. |
| 20:34.29 | valdyn | nvz: skipping the leading / it will default to ~? |
| 20:34.30 | Wyzard | supaman: Look up "ProxyPass" in the apache docs |
| 20:34.32 | valdyn | nvz: skipping the leading / it will default to ~/ |
| 20:34.35 | nvz | then you have to also leave out the / if you leave out the tilde |
| 20:34.40 | Rickdangerous | valdyn, yes |
| 20:34.42 | jethro | sirmikester: do you get any error message on the client? both on the command line for mount, and in the logs |
| 20:34.48 | deadcat | whats the use of bluetooth? theres one for $4.99 after rebate. wondering if i should get it |
| 20:34.51 | Wyzard | Supaplex: oops, see what I just (accidentally) said to supaman |
| 20:35.15 | sirmikester | jethro: mediabox:/# mount 192.168.1.72:/mnt/music /mnt/music |
| 20:35.15 | sirmikester | mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection timed out |
| 20:35.15 | jim | deadcat: if your greenteeth fall out... try some bluetooths :) |
| 20:35.31 | jethro | sirmikester: and in the logs? |
| 20:35.32 | shingouz | deadcat: i hear you can snatch numbers off cellphones if you are lucky ;) |
| 20:35.38 | cusco | Wyzard I could have used that... hehe thanks |
| 20:35.43 | Supaplex | Wyzard: thanks, caught it. thanks again. :) |
| 20:35.43 | petemc | deadcat: you can hax0r peoples cell phones |
| 20:35.54 | Supaplex | Wyzard++ |
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| 20:36.03 | jethro | sirmikester: run netstat -anp --inet and look if 111/tcp is bound, and to what it is bound. |
| 20:36.05 | jim | sirmikester: maybe 192.168.1.72 is dead? |
| 20:36.10 | deadcat | petemc: while running linux right? (= |
| 20:36.15 | Rickdangerous | jethro, we tried that |
| 20:36.18 | sirmikester | jethro: /var/logs/messages ? |
| 20:36.19 | petemc | deadcat: sure |
| 20:36.22 | Rickdangerous | jethro, it's bound to all |
| 20:36.37 | deadcat | petemc: cool. gonna give it a try. if dont work. i can always return... frys heheh |
| 20:36.37 | jethro | sirmikester: not sure where the nfs stuff goes, syslog maybe, and messages for kernel error messages |
| 20:36.53 | sirmikester | jethro: i'm on 192.168.1.72 right now |
| 20:36.58 | sirmikester | i have both boxes side by side... |
| 20:37.06 | sirmikester | one is .72 and one is .70 |
| 20:37.09 | valdyn | sirmikester: nmap 192.168.1.72 | grep rpc ( from the other box ) |
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| 20:37.14 | jethro | sirmikester: ok. run iptables -L -v as root on both, and see if there is any DROP/REJECT |
| 20:37.17 | sylvainnn | Hello people, I am going to buy a new video card and would need an advice. Could somebody help? I would like to have: 1) Linux kernel 2.6.11 and Wind XP support. 2) dual monitors support. 3) I would like to have a good quality for movies, but the games and 3d are not important. Any advice? (or where could I read a good review)? |
| 20:37.17 | valdyn | sirmikester: and vice versa |
| 20:37.27 | jethro | sirmikester: and also look at the error mssages in /var/log/ |
| 20:37.41 | shingouz | sylvainnn: matrox? |
| 20:37.50 | error403 | valdyn, seems to have loaded the module with no errors this time, i went and got the latest 2.6.11 kernel from testing |
| 20:38.26 | valdyn | error403: nice! |
| 20:38.42 | tvn | sylvainnn: if 3d not important, get Matrox dual head ... but I also can do all what you listed with other dual video cards from nvidia / ati |
| 20:38.45 | at0m|c | sylvainnn: matrox owns the 2D dual monitor realm imo :) |
| 20:38.46 | at0m|c | ye |
| 20:38.52 | jethro | sirmikester: run rpcinfo -p 192.168.1.72 on the client |
| 20:39.00 | error403 | valdyn, how do i add the userspace governor again? |
| 20:39.12 | sirmikester | jethro: i tired that, and i got an error message |
| 20:39.16 | valdyn | error403: is the module loaded? |
| 20:39.24 | jethro | sirmikester: tried what? the rpcinfo? |
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| 20:39.25 | error403 | valdyn, yes |
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| 20:39.38 | Choubaka | Hmm. |
| 20:39.41 | drac | sylvainnn: With r200 radeon (9200) you could get 3D accel on both dualhead displays at same time with Open Source drivers. |
| 20:39.43 | valdyn | error403: echo userspace > scaling_governor |
| 20:39.45 | omgs | Hi |
| 20:39.57 | omgs | How can I check and format a swap partition? |
| 20:39.57 | sirmikester | jethro: yes, the rpcinfo |
| 20:39.59 | valdyn | error403: you probably want to use a tool for this.. |
| 20:40.02 | sylvainnn | what matrox model would you recommend? are you sure it supports Linux ok? when you say nvidia/ati do you mean GeForce cards? |
| 20:40.02 | error403 | valdyn, dont i need to echo it into the available first? |
| 20:40.03 | Choubaka | So what's making Sid "literally" unstable? |
| 20:40.07 | error403 | valdyn, ? |
| 20:40.11 | error403 | apt-get time? |
| 20:40.12 | sirmikester | jethro: i got a rpc timeout message |
| 20:40.15 | jethro | sirmikester: can you telnet 192.168.1.72 111 from the client and see if it connects? |
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| 20:40.19 | valdyn | error403: no, cat available just shows whats available ) |
| 20:40.23 | sylvainnn | drac: actually I have Radeon 9200 it is great except it does not support dual monitors |
| 20:40.34 | maher | omgs: mkswap / swapon |
| 20:40.38 | sirmikester | jethro: i don't think i have telnet installed... |
| 20:40.41 | error403 | valdyn, dont i need to add it to the available before setting as current? |
| 20:40.44 | drac | sylvainnn: Oh, the card has only 1 connector? |
| 20:40.44 | sirmikester | jethro: i never use it |
| 20:40.46 | jethro | sirmikester: nc, whatever |
| 20:40.47 | shingouz | sylvainnn: afaik all matrox cards have excellent support, nvidia is GeForce but ATI is Radeon etc |
| 20:40.57 | valdyn | error403: loading the module adds it to available |
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| 20:41.04 | Choubaka | sylvainnn: the newer ATIs suck for linux for you need the ATI binary drivers. :P |
| 20:41.11 | jethro | sirmikester: apt-get install netcat; nc -nv 192.168.1.72 1111; |
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| 20:41.16 | drac | Choubaka: 9200 doesn't count as one of them. |
| 20:41.19 | jethro | sirmikester: s/1111/111/ |
| 20:41.19 | error403 | valdyn, what module, where? |
| 20:41.20 | Choubaka | drac: I know. |
| 20:41.21 | omgs | maher: I'm mostly interested first in checking |
| 20:41.31 | valdyn | error403: cpufreq_userspace, add it w/ modconf |
| 20:41.36 | littlezoper | i'm getting an md5sum mismatch when installing a package. how do i tell apt not to check m5sums? |
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| 20:41.50 | maher | omgs: i don't think you can check swap - you are either using it or not |
| 20:41.53 | jethro | littlezoper: you want to check md5sums |
| 20:42.03 | sylvainnn | shingouz: thanks. do u have any precise avdvice about matrox? their cards can be very expensivs |
| 20:42.10 | equuelus | how do i check if frame buffer is enabled or not? tried doing fbset -i.. but gave me an error: "open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory" |
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| 20:42.13 | error403 | valdyn, should i load powersave too? (its a laptop, after all) |
| 20:42.15 | jethro | littlezoper: an md5sum mismatch could mean a corrupted package, or even worse, a trojaned one. |
| 20:42.16 | littlezoper | jethro: honestly, right now, i don't care about it :) |
| 20:42.17 | omgs | maher: well, I suspect it has bad sectors, and it's giving me trouble |
| 20:42.23 | jethro | !pal littlezoper |
| 20:42.25 | sirmikester | jethro: ok i'm checking on the nc command on my client now |
| 20:42.31 | at0m|c | sylvainnn: i still use a g450, almost 10 yrs old |
| 20:42.38 | littlezoper | jethro: i'm well aware of what md5's are there for. I just don't care right now |
| 20:42.38 | shingouz | sylvainnn: not really, the boxes i have here are too lod for the latest and greatest but the matrox website seems to have all kinds of goodies |
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| 20:42.47 | shingouz | s/lod/old |
| 20:42.48 | at0m|c | sylvainnn: works great and cant imagine its expensive on ebay eh |
| 20:42.48 | monsoon | is debian an evolving distribution in that it does not stay stagnant and just build new packages, but actually implements newer better ways to be a better OS etc.etc.? |
| 20:42.52 | Rickdangerous | omgs, try badblocks command |
| 20:43.06 | error403 | valdyn, i added it |
| 20:43.08 | maher | omgs: use badblocks or better buy a new hd |
| 20:43.08 | valdyn | error403: you cannot have more than 1 governor running at once. only the userspace governor will permit you to change frequencies manually |
| 20:43.22 | littlezoper | i'm a long time redhat and gentoo user, and I'm just trying out debian (kubuntu, actually) so I just want to get a working system going to see how things work |
| 20:43.28 | Rickdangerous | omgs, if it finds problem ut a new hd :) |
| 20:43.28 | maher | monsoon: yes |
| 20:43.30 | error403 | valdyn, which one will have it set at low freq by default? |
| 20:43.31 | jethro | littlezoper: then you want to leave |
| 20:43.36 | littlezoper | thus, md5s are a pretty low priority for me |
| 20:43.39 | Rickdangerous | s/ut/buy |
| 20:43.41 | littlezoper | jethro: why is that? |
| 20:43.42 | omgs | Rickdangerous: thanks, at least it tries to check |
| 20:43.43 | shingouz | littlezoper: ubuntu is not debian at all |
| 20:43.45 | jethro | littlezoper: this is #debian, welcome, not #based-on-debian |
| 20:43.49 | Rickdangerous | np |
| 20:44.02 | monsoon | oh good maher |
| 20:44.04 | Vince34 | hi all (o; , if someone use a 2.6.8-2-k7 , s |
| 20:44.06 | valdyn | error403: 'apt-get install powernowd' can do that for you if you have userspace governor activated |
| 20:44.16 | maher | littlezoper: if you're getting md5sum errors something is wrong - find out what and fix it |
| 20:44.18 | Vince34 | uops |
| 20:44.18 | littlezoper | i'm aware of that, but it does use apt, which is, imo, debian's only great, if not shaky, claim to fame, so i though I'd start here |
| 20:44.23 | Whisky_ | HELP! my motd isnt displayed on login. :\ Debian 3.1 i got |
| 20:44.23 | sylvainnn | shingouz: so you use matrox under debian, right? and it is fully compatible? was it difficult to handle? |
| 20:44.24 | Whisky_ | :S |
| 20:44.37 | jethro | littlezoper: don't ask for support in #debian, for a non debian distro. thanks. |
| 20:44.45 | Vince34 | hi all (o; , if someone use a 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel , hand up please (o: |
| 20:45.08 | sirmikester | jethro, valdyn Rickdangerous: I gotta go out for a bit, i'll come back later to try and fix this problem. Thanks for your help!! |
| 20:45.09 | shingouz | sylvainnn: a G200 on this one and most of my other boxen are Mil2. handling is easier than any other card i have ever seen, works perfectly |
| 20:45.09 | jethro | littlezoper: try #ubuntu for based-on-debian answers |
| 20:45.11 | error403 | valdyn, I LOVE YOU!!!!!!! |
| 20:45.11 | littlezoper | i'm atcually asking for help with a debian utility, in a debian channel. it just happens to be being used on a debian derivative |
| 20:45.12 | omgs | Thanks, I have to restart to try it out |
| 20:45.16 | error403 | !! |
| 20:45.16 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 20:45.18 | silverton | how do I split an iso up using dd? |
| 20:45.18 | jethro | sirmikester: you're welcome |
| 20:45.23 | error403 | !! |
| 20:45.28 | Rickdangerous | sirmikester, good luck |
| 20:45.30 | sylvainnn | at0m|c: G450 matrox? |
| 20:45.33 | at0m|c | ye |
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| 20:45.53 | maher | silverton: use split |
| 20:45.56 | error403 | valdyn, Thanks! |
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| 20:46.02 | valdyn | error403: welcome |
| 20:46.03 | jethro | littlezoper: and it can have meen slightly to heavily modified, so it's no longer the same |
| 20:46.07 | jethro | s/meen/been/ |
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| 20:46.18 | error403 | valdyn, you just added about 2 months life to my AMD sempron laptop :P |
| 20:46.19 | at0m|c | sylvainnn: its the 32mb version, costed 220euro almost 10yrs ago, should be very cheap nowadays eh |
| 20:46.22 | LoonaTick | hi |
| 20:46.31 | shingouz | littlezoper: we go through this same conversation about ten-fifteen times a day. ubuntu is not debian and we have no clue on wtf ubuntu does. #ubuntu is the place for you to be, not debian. you could ask your based on debian questions on gentoo and get as good answers |
| 20:46.36 | Rickdangerous | silverton, slplit litelrally or collect the files to different isos? |
| 20:46.49 | LoonaTick | anyone know how to mount a filesystem read-write without the umount command and /usr being accessible? |
| 20:46.51 | Rickdangerous | -l |
| 20:46.52 | silverton | split literally |
| 20:47.08 | silverton | make a 3.9GB image, into two or three different peices |
| 20:47.11 | Rickdangerous | silverton, yes split literally |
| 20:47.18 | Rickdangerous | :) |
| 20:47.20 | valdyn | LoonaTick: mount -o rw |
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| 20:47.27 | error403 | valdyn, damn, this powernowd reacts FAST!!! |
| 20:47.28 | Rickdangerous | silverton, then fi |
| 20:47.29 | maher | silverton: and still have them valid iso's - or just split the file? |
| 20:47.32 | Rickdangerous | fire the split |
| 20:47.35 | valdyn | LoonaTick: mount -o rw,remount |
| 20:47.42 | silverton | maher, just split the file |
| 20:47.45 | silverton | so I can transfer over samba |
| 20:47.47 | maher | silverton: use split |
| 20:47.54 | silverton | and re-esemble on a winxp box |
| 20:48.13 | LoonaTick | thanks valdyn |
| 20:48.14 | Rickdangerous | silverton, how will I do that :) |
| 20:48.14 | LoonaTick | mount: block device /dev/hda3 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 20:48.24 | Rickdangerous | silverton, err _you_ do that |
| 20:48.25 | silverton | Rickdangerous, eh? |
| 20:48.25 | maher | silverton: use cat from cygwin on winxp or find out what the winxp version of cat is |
| 20:48.36 | LoonaTick | my harddisk is dieing slowly, but off-site db backups are three days old :( |
| 20:48.37 | Rickdangerous | silverton, how will you merge the parts? |
| 20:48.50 | LoonaTick | valdyn: Any ideas how to make it read-write? |
| 20:48.54 | valdyn | LoonaTick: why is it write protected? |
| 20:49.08 | LoonaTick | valdyn: I don't know, i didn't do it |
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| 20:49.11 | silverton | Rickdangerous, there is a win util to concatenate files |
| 20:49.21 | Rickdangerous | silverton, what's its name? |
| 20:49.24 | jetx | i just tried d-i's latest incarnation |
| 20:49.27 | silverton | hell if I know... |
| 20:49.30 | silverton | a friend told me |
| 20:49.31 | maher | LoonaTick: if your disk is dyign just copy off what you need and buy a new disk |
| 20:49.34 | Rickdangerous | silverton, ok... |
| 20:49.35 | jetx | i can't believe they released it |
| 20:49.35 | silverton | he said "one sec" and he's yet to return |
| 20:49.41 | monsoon | wow is this Debian Overview wrong or what? "New releases are planned to be made every several months..." |
| 20:49.59 | alvanson | monsoon: where you looking? |
| 20:50.00 | Rickdangerous | monsoon, what's wrong eith that? |
| 20:50.04 | Rickdangerous | with* |
| 20:50.05 | jetx | exit |
| 20:50.06 | valdyn | LoonaTick: hdparm -r ( maybe ) |
| 20:50.06 | monsoon | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-basic_defs.en.html |
| 20:50.24 | monsoon | I thought that the sarge took years to come out |
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| 20:50.40 | amphi | monsoon: yeah, 'several months' :) |
| 20:50.41 | alvanson | monsoon: several months means more than 1 month |
| 20:50.47 | jethro | monsoon: it took years to release as stable |
| 20:50.50 | monsoon | oh hehe I guess |
| 20:50.55 | LoonaTick | -bash: /sbin/hdparm: Input/output error |
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| 20:51.02 | Rickdangerous | monsoon, also there are the nugfix releasesd |
| 20:51.07 | monsoon | several months can be 10 years |
| 20:51.07 | cusco | hi... |
| 20:51.09 | maher | LoonaTick: your disk is up the creek |
| 20:51.09 | Rickdangerous | bugfix* |
| 20:51.21 | monsoon | oh do those come out more often then? |
| 20:51.24 | LoonaTick | obviously :/ |
| 20:51.31 | LoonaTick | six months old disk |
| 20:51.32 | alvanson | any difference between IBM and SUN's JDK? |
| 20:51.33 | cusco | I think when I installed debian just now.. I haven't choosen the right options form y screen.. |
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| 20:51.38 | monsoon | I was happy to read this though: "dynamic: With about 1649 volunteers constantly contributing new and improved code, Debian is evolving rapidly." |
| 20:51.40 | Rickdangerous | monsoon, there's already a r0a :) |
| 20:51.43 | maher | LoonaTick: stop using it - but a new one - copy off what you can |
| 20:51.49 | deadcat | are all bluetooth the same chipset or something? |
| 20:51.49 | cusco | how can I change my resolution to bigger then 800x600 |
| 20:51.50 | monsoon | wow |
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| 20:52.00 | silverton | cusco, normally have to edit your X config file |
| 20:52.04 | alvanson | cusco: Ctrl-Alt-Shift-+ |
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| 20:52.06 | jethro | monsoon: is this a troll ? |
| 20:52.08 | monsoon | vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:52.09 | valdyn | 1dr |
| 20:52.15 | valdyn | !drxx cusco |
| 20:52.16 | dpkg | cusco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:52.18 | maher | cusco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:52.19 | shingouz | !tell cusco about drxx |
| 20:52.29 | shingouz | silverton: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 20:52.35 | silverton | yeah, I know of that |
| 20:52.37 | valdyn | why do people recommend manually editing this to newbies? |
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| 20:52.46 | shingouz | valdyn: no idea |
| 20:52.48 | jethro | !wb caphuso |
| 20:52.49 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! caphuso has returned! |
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| 20:52.54 | maher | valdyn: cluelessness |
| 20:53.02 | monsoon | jethro, is what a troll? I actually was happy to read the evolving thing... Not everything everyone says is negative |
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| 20:53.36 | nenn | anyone, using console-6x11 font, built into kernel? |
| 20:53.36 | jethro | monsoon: I'm sorry I misread you then. |
| 20:53.42 | monsoon | np |
| 20:53.43 | deadcat | someone explain again wahts the point of bluetooth? besides talking to cellphones. |
| 20:53.56 | nenn | short range data transmission |
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| 20:54.12 | deadcat | nenn: only with other bluetooth device right? softwares? |
| 20:54.28 | nenn | yes |
| 20:54.32 | shingouz | deadcat: i guess the main thing is that is it supposedly leet. headsets etc can work with it but i think it is pretty useless |
| 20:54.35 | pureone | keyboards and mice can work with bluetooth from what ive seen |
| 20:54.41 | maher | deadcat: its a short range wireless protocol for phones, keyboards etc. |
| 20:54.51 | bisquit | Hey what was the "other" command to (re)configure my XFree86? :) |
| 20:55.01 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 20:55.01 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 20:55.10 | Rickdangerous | !rtfrn |
| 20:55.11 | dpkg | well, rtfrn is Read the Fucking Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 20:55.31 | shingouz | hehe.. someone has fixed the F-part there again |
| 20:55.34 | bisquit | Stable's Xfree is old. ;) |
| 20:55.40 | bisquit | But yeah, thanks. |
| 20:55.45 | ralf | !ubunto |
| 20:55.45 | dpkg | methinks ubunto is http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg or http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y#2005-06-07-ubuntu |
| 20:55.47 | ralf | d'oh |
| 20:55.50 | ralf | the ubunto definition was too silly |
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| 20:56.27 | cusco | thanks valdyn |
| 20:56.41 | cusco | but now... I dunno my monitor details |
| 20:56.46 | cusco | like the horizontal sync range |
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| 20:57.16 | ralf | how can I see the xorg progress? |
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| 20:57.37 | jethro | ralf: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 20:57.43 | ApEtc | cusco: Usually the manufacturers site or just a quick Google can tell you |
| 20:57.53 | ralf | jethro: that link is a xorg source tree |
| 20:58.01 | maher | cusco: use the simple setting - it just asks for the size |
| 20:58.35 | cusco | maher wheres's that simple setting? |
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| 20:58.56 | maher | cusco: it asks you when you're about to hit the monitor selection bit |
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| 20:59.50 | nomed^ | hi |
| 21:00.11 | nomed^ | do you know how i can check what fonts i 'm using in aterm? |
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| 21:01.40 | Hablandocontigo | Which is the most convenient sound manager for Debian? |
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| 21:01.53 | Hablandocontigo | I'm using KDE, btw. |
| 21:02.12 | nenn | what do you want it to do for you? |
| 21:02.26 | green_earz | Hablandocontigo: kmix |
| 21:02.30 | BigBlockO | anyone have a good pointer on where to look for how to set up a server using multiple machines, (one for mail, one for SQL, one for Web, and one as a master) |
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| 21:02.50 | jetx | of course maybe it was etch installer |
| 21:02.51 | Hablandocontigo | Be compatible with most programs; I am having problems with microphone, with audacity, and other media players |
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| 21:03.00 | Hablandocontigo | Right now I think I use arts |
| 21:03.15 | nenn | compatiablity isnt the window managers job, thats your job. |
| 21:03.19 | at0m|c | Hablandocontigo: audacity is an editor, not player |
| 21:03.21 | nomed^ | Hablandocontigo, try a google search 'asoundrc' .. just to see .. |
| 21:03.33 | jetx | !es |
| 21:03.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:04.09 | Hablandocontigo | at0m|c: right, I've used audacity before, I just mean that they are not always working with my "sound server" I think is what I meant in the first place |
| 21:04.16 | at0m|c | oki |
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| 21:05.28 | myren | how do i find all files in a package? |
| 21:05.37 | petemc | myren: dpkg -L package |
| 21:06.09 | Sabator | What's the name of the package for editing the GNOME menu? |
| 21:06.16 | myren | petemc: thanks man |
| 21:06.16 | Hablandocontigo | nomed^: Well, I don't have asoundrc because I am only using the arts sound server now. |
| 21:06.32 | Hablandocontigo | nomed^: Which is superior arts or alsa? |
| 21:06.33 | valdyn | Sabator: no such package. |
| 21:06.41 | Sabator | There was one on Ubuntu |
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| 21:06.49 | bucky | Hablandocontigo, did you tell the system to use artsd during installation with base-config ? |
| 21:06.49 | petemc | Hablandocontigo: arts requires alsa or oss |
| 21:06.50 | Sabator | I used to use it. |
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| 21:07.05 | BigBlockO | anyone in here know where to look for info about designing a mulitiple machine server setup? |
| 21:07.08 | Hablandocontigo | bucky: I don't recall how can I dpkg-reconfigure it? |
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| 21:07.25 | synic_ | where's the best place to look for wacom support? (on IRC) |
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| 21:07.53 | petemc | BigBlockO: too many variables, you would be better looking for something more specific |
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| 21:08.00 | Hablandocontigo | petemc: well, I can't find any alsa or oss packages installed |
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| 21:08.11 | Supaplex | argh, maybe grep ... | xargs vim was dumb. it says the input wasn't a terminal, and now enter no work. |
| 21:08.23 | idnar | Supaplex: :q should still get you out? |
| 21:08.29 | Supaplex | nope |
| 21:08.30 | petemc | Hablandocontigo: they're both kernel things, but if you're using alsa you do use some userspace packages |
| 21:08.30 | idnar | or :q! perhaps |
| 21:08.34 | Supaplex | can't press enter |
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| 21:08.40 | Om | Is a 'smart upgrade' in synaptic the same as `apt-get update` && `apt-get dist-upgrade`? :) |
| 21:08.45 | idnar | try ^\? |
| 21:08.45 | Supaplex | well, enter has no effect. |
| 21:08.53 | idnar | (as in control-backslash) |
| 21:08.56 | Azar | ATI users: ATI has added new drivers for linux: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27 |
| 21:09.10 | cusco | is there a FAQ for beginners or something? |
| 21:09.12 | nvz | hmm I just learned a few things reading the FHS. I also just realized that I have a /srv on my system.. I didnt realize it until I came to it in the FHS and thought to myself, well isnt sarge FHS compliant? and checked... |
| 21:09.24 | BigBlockO | petemc, essentially what i'm trying to do is get 4 boxes playing together as one, |
| 21:09.28 | cusco | and are there extra repos commonly added? |
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| 21:09.32 | Supaplex | it highlights ^\ in blue and appends ? ... |
| 21:09.34 | Azar | cusco what kind of FAQ? |
| 21:09.34 | zeroC | anyone from gnu-kbsd in here? |
| 21:09.35 | mikaEL` | hi, I have a (sort of) problem with sound in debian ... if i log on as a regular user I cannot listen to music ( I receive /dev/dsp , /dev/mixer errors) ... My sound card is detected on boot ... |
| 21:09.41 | idnar | Supaplex: sheesh |
| 21:09.52 | BigBlockO | petemc: one doing mail, one doing web, one doing SQL, and one acting as the frontend |
| 21:09.52 | zeroC | mikaEL` add u to the group sound |
| 21:09.58 | Azar | cusco I have a couple of links to tutorials |
| 21:10.07 | Hablandocontigo | is there a debian documentation project? |
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| 21:10.14 | mikaEL` | zeroC : thanx ... |
| 21:10.25 | zeroC | np |
| 21:10.29 | BigBlockO | i know i'm going to need to do some fun routing stuff |
| 21:10.36 | initech | Hablandocontigo: yes in /usr/share/doc |
| 21:10.37 | simonrvn | group audio, not sound |
| 21:10.50 | petemc | BigBlockO: ok, so read up on exim or postfix, apache and mysql or postgresql |
| 21:10.54 | Supaplex | idnar: ^J acts like enter. hummmm |
| 21:10.56 | cusco | well... for now I would like to know if there is some repositories that I should add.. like I cannot find irssi |
| 21:11.11 | Azar | cusco try irssi-text |
| 21:11.11 | Hablandocontigo | initech: I'll check. But I mean a _real_ one like Gentoo's. |
| 21:11.17 | valdyn | cusco: apt-cache search irssi |
| 21:11.17 | BigBlockO | petemc, the services aren't the problem; if i was running them all on one machine i'd be fine |
| 21:11.18 | cusco | oh sory :/ |
| 21:11.36 | petemc | BigBlockO: then what is the problem? |
| 21:11.38 | bucky | Hablandocontigo, there's a ton of docs on debian.org |
| 21:11.40 | nvz | cusco: yes, anyone hosting a debian mirror without irssi should be shot on sight. |
| 21:11.53 | BigBlockO | petemc: its getting one machine to do the mail, another to do the SQL, another to do the Web stuff, and then setting up the main machine to talk to all of them |
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| 21:12.22 | BigBlockO | petemc, what i'm trying to figure out now is what system, NIS, LDAP or other, should i use to standardize logins |
| 21:12.30 | petemc | BigBlockO: what does the main machine do? |
| 21:12.46 | BigBlockO | acts as the interface to the outside world |
| 21:12.46 | petemc | BigBlockO: you dont need to login for any of the things you described |
| 21:12.47 | simonrvn | BigBlockO: it's certainly doable. just takes planning. |
| 21:12.53 | BigBlockO | yea |
| 21:13.01 | Om | Is a 'smart upgrade' in synaptic the same as `apt-get update` && `apt-get dist-upgrade`? :) |
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| 21:13.29 | BigBlockO | so like, lets say i set up mail on box X which is connected to box A, which is connected to the internet |
| 21:13.37 | Hablandocontigo | bucky: I only know of the "installation manual" what other documentation do you mean? |
| 21:13.40 | Om | Also, can anyone point me info about how I need to change my sources.list file now sarge has gone stable? :) |
| 21:13.42 | BigBlockO | so box X is my mail server |
| 21:13.51 | BigBlockO | dont all my users need to be on box X |
| 21:13.56 | petemc | no |
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| 21:14.07 | BigBlockO | ok, |
| 21:14.08 | cusco | nvz lol |
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| 21:14.15 | BigBlockO | how do i give them email accounts without giving them logins |
| 21:14.20 | nvz | cusco: I'm not laughing |
| 21:14.30 | nvz | (: |
| 21:14.40 | bucky | Hablandocontigo, http://www.debian.org/doc/#manuals |
| 21:14.43 | petemc | BigBlockO: i auth from a flat file for virtual users, there are any number of ways to do it |
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| 21:14.56 | Azar | !irssismite nvz |
| 21:14.57 | Yo`Yo | how do i setup a small mail server on my Server to send and receive my personal messages ? |
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| 21:15.01 | petemc | BigBlockO: hence the need for specifics |
| 21:15.08 | BigBlockO | ah |
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| 21:15.13 | floppyears | hi |
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| 21:15.19 | floppyears | how can I tell how often updatedb is run |
| 21:15.20 | BigBlockO | so i can set up virtual users with exim? |
| 21:15.28 | BigBlockO | which is the mail client i'm using |
| 21:15.39 | Yo`Yo | :\ |
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| 21:15.48 | pingu12 | i am using the tg3 for my Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5721 gbit eth but it is not detected @ boottime - does anyone knows something about that (common) problem ? |
| 21:16.08 | nvz | !yinzersmite Azar |
| 21:16.09 | petemc | Yo`Yo: you can do that easily with exim, but you would need to learn the basics of how mail works, so you can understand how to set it up so mail from the outside world gets to your machine |
| 21:16.24 | maher | floppyears: probbaly once a day - look in /etc/cron.daily |
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| 21:16.35 | deadcat | BigBlockO: exim is MTA, you can set their shell to /bin/false or something like that. |
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| 21:16.44 | petemc | BigBlockO: you can, and whilst exim can act as a client, its more commonly a server |
| 21:16.53 | jetx | nope, sarge netinst |
| 21:17.13 | jetx | that is gay |
| 21:17.22 | jetx | no it |
| 21:17.25 | jetx | 's not |
| 21:17.27 | simonrvn | happy happy joy joy |
| 21:17.30 | jetx | it's stupid |
| 21:17.31 | petemc | deadcat: there are many ways to have mail users without having to worry about shellds |
| 21:17.43 | simonrvn | sure |
| 21:17.50 | jetx | how could they release sarge with a broke ass installer |
| 21:17.50 | simonrvn | imap ;) |
| 21:17.58 | BigBlockO | petemc, how did clients get into this |
| 21:18.00 | Azar | :) |
| 21:18.07 | Yo`Yo | how do i setup a small mail server on my Server to send and receive my personal messages ? Anyone with a straight-forward answer > |
| 21:18.07 | deadcat | petemc: i have no clue. (= never messed with fancy MTA stuff. |
| 21:18.24 | simonrvn | jetx: see 3.1a or whatever |
| 21:18.30 | deadcat | Yo`Yo: no |
| 21:18.34 | Yo`Yo | :\ |
| 21:18.35 | jetx | yeah, guess what this was |
| 21:18.41 | BigBlockO | petemc: i want to run exim as a server on my mail machine, but have it appear as though mail is coming from the main machine |
| 21:18.48 | maher | Yo`Yo: you mean with mx records and stuff? |
| 21:18.52 | BigBlockO | basically, i want to use four servers as one server |
| 21:18.52 | simonrvn | jethro: 3.1? ;p |
| 21:19.00 | simonrvn | jethro: misfire |
| 21:19.05 | simonrvn | jetx: misfire |
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| 21:19.11 | Azar | Yo`Yo that is my dream too, but I have not yet found the answer |
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| 21:19.12 | jethro | simonrvn: :) |
| 21:19.13 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.16 | maher | jetx: they did it just to bug you |
| 21:19.25 | jetx | lemme check... debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:19.40 | jetx | bug.. punny. |
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| 21:20.57 | jetx | that actually irritates the shit out of me because i deleted a bunch of crap expecting it to function |
| 21:21.08 | jetx | guess i'll use woody installer |
| 21:21.15 | nvz | well its after 5, the Pizza House is open.. I think I am going to go get me some delicious original italian style pizza, sucks to be you guys |
| 21:21.16 | jetx | or try the ful on iso |
| 21:21.23 | floppyears | maher: I looked in cron.daily |
| 21:21.24 | maher | jetx: don't tell us about any specific problem you have - we just enjoy hearing you whine |
| 21:21.29 | floppyears | maher: but it wasn't there |
| 21:21.42 | Yo`Yo | My MOTD is not displayed on logging in. Why? |
| 21:21.50 | jetx | no i don't expect any assistance, it's borked. i just want to bitch and moan. |
| 21:22.18 | simonrvn | jeru: FFS |
| 21:22.21 | jetx | and probably trying anything but expert26 would work |
| 21:22.29 | jetx | but i don't want to |
| 21:22.29 | Yo`Yo | jeru ? |
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| 21:22.34 | jeru | yap |
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| 21:22.53 | Yo`Yo | My MOTD is not displayed on logging in. Why? |
| 21:22.54 | simonrvn | @kill jeru |
| 21:22.58 | jeru | ahem. well i outed myself as a newbie didn't i? |
| 21:23.04 | Yo`Yo | :\ |
| 21:23.13 | floppyears | can anybody help me figure out how often updatedb is run ? |
| 21:23.14 | jeru | at least with irc |
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| 21:23.23 | kuntu | i ear the new debian installer dosent setup the firewall ! is this true ? |
| 21:23.33 | Azar | jeru not nice |
| 21:23.40 | simonrvn | floppyears: hint: it's run from /etc/cron.daily |
| 21:23.41 | maher | kuntu: yes |
| 21:23.42 | jetx | the old one didn't |
| 21:23.50 | kuntu | fuck debian peeps |
| 21:23.54 | jetx | maybe you don't want a firewall |
| 21:23.55 | jim | kuntu: you set it up after you get stuff up |
| 21:24.02 | jetx | !fuck kuntu |
| 21:24.03 | simonrvn | kuntu: dufus |
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| 21:24.13 | simonrvn | @fuck kuntu |
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| 21:24.21 | simonrvn | whoah. the odds... |
| 21:24.23 | maher | floppyears: /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 21:24.29 | jetx | ~rape kuntu |
| 21:24.30 | apt | ACTION gives kuntu surprise sex |
| 21:24.35 | Azar | well I guess this is beer time.. |
| 21:24.38 | jim | kuntu: it's pretty stupid to assume that the installer phase would install anything but the base |
| 21:24.42 | jetx | !beer Azar |
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| 21:25.07 | azol | hi all. i have troubles with umounting my cdrom drive under kde. i mount by clicking on cdrom icon on my desktop. then i try to umount but ... "device is busy". lsof | grep cdrom shows: kdeinit 7369 artem 128r DIR 22,0 2048 1408 /media/cdrom0 I must manually kill kdeinit. only after that i can umount my cdrom :( (sorry for my english) |
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| 21:25.09 | kuntu | jim, is pretty stupid not to setup a firewall by default |
| 21:25.15 | petemc | kuntu: not everyone needs a firewall |
| 21:25.22 | petemc | kuntu: so, no, its nt stupid |
| 21:25.27 | jetx | only thing that upsets me btw is that it was released in a less than perfect state |
| 21:25.30 | maher | kuntu: for a sinfle machine you normally don't need a firewall - for a router you're going to need to do some configuring anyway... |
| 21:25.30 | kuntu | even so more coming from the so caled secure linux |
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| 21:25.41 | nvz | no, actually its pizza time, I am just the only one close enough to make it there.. like I said, sucks to be you guys |
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| 21:25.48 | jetx | just kick/ban him |
| 21:25.49 | Yo`Yo | can someone please visit http://70.85.129.153/test.php and let me know wether the browser starts downloading the file or PHp info is displayed> |
| 21:25.49 | petemc | kuntu: you obviously dont know what you're talking about |
| 21:25.55 | Azar | kuntu so that why you came here, to whine? |
| 21:25.58 | jetx | unless you think he's not a troll... |
| 21:26.05 | floppyears | maher: thanks |
| 21:26.05 | simonrvn | kuntu: grow a fucking clue. if you're setting up a router, you're going to know how to do it yourself |
| 21:26.06 | jetx | hey that's why i came :) |
| 21:26.17 | jim | kuntu: firewall isn't in the base... you can easily install after the initial reboot |
| 21:26.23 | floppyears | maher: I was looking in that dir and I thought it wasn't there because I expected the file to be called update something |
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| 21:26.29 | jim | jetx: to see the dancing trolls? :) |
| 21:26.30 | simonrvn | nvz: i already ate. fried chicken |
| 21:26.31 | maher | Yo`Yo: worked for me |
| 21:26.31 | caphuso | nvz: no, sucks being you. i already ate my pizza :-P |
| 21:26.32 | kuntu | simonrvn, why are you assuming om gona setup a router ? |
| 21:26.32 | prog | Yo`Yo, why are you not testing by yourself ? |
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| 21:26.38 | oKtosiTe | I need to reinstall my Windows XP. I know my grub master boot record will get overwritten, and don't want to run though the entire Debian installer to reinstall grub. Is there any way to save my mbr to a medium that can restore it? |
| 21:26.38 | jetx | jim: no to bitch and moan |
| 21:26.40 | nvz | jim: actually firewall is in base, its part of the kernel |
| 21:26.45 | kuntu | the same way you assume i dont need a firewall ? |
| 21:26.47 | RedPenguin | Hey all |
| 21:26.49 | kuntu | right ...! |
| 21:26.54 | jeru | Yo'Yo: looks fine to me, phpinfo is displayed |
| 21:26.58 | jetx | kuntu: you don't need a firewall you're a god |
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| 21:27.02 | jetx | now go away |
| 21:27.06 | maher | kuntu: most boxes don't need a firewall - if you need one install one |
| 21:27.07 | simonrvn | kuntu: because that's about the only place you set one up unless you're running a non-natted server of some sort |
| 21:27.09 | RedPenguin | Is there a way to find out from apt what packages you installed so you have a list for when you install Debian again? |
| 21:27.10 | nvz | caphuso: yeah but it wasn't "Police Station Pizza" from the Original Italian Pizza House |
| 21:27.12 | jim | kuntu: because the firewall stuff belongs on the router |
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| 21:27.20 | Yo`Yo | jeru: Thanks. My browsers start downloading :\ |
| 21:27.23 | maher | RedPenguin: dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:27.24 | kuntu | every one needs a firewall |
| 21:27.27 | caphuso | nvz: no, it was a selfmade one |
| 21:27.28 | jim | nvz: you mean in the form of iptables? |
| 21:27.30 | simonrvn | kugg: and obviously you're clueless |
| 21:27.35 | kuntu | the the 1 security rule |
| 21:27.38 | maher | kuntu: no |
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| 21:27.42 | kuntu | yes |
| 21:27.46 | prog | RedPenguin: dpkg --list > /tmp/file |
| 21:27.48 | jeru | Yo`Yo: which browser do you use |
| 21:27.50 | simonrvn | kugg: that is total bullshit |
| 21:27.52 | jetx | woody > sarge! |
| 21:27.55 | simonrvn | kugg: not you |
| 21:27.55 | nvz | jim: pretty much |
| 21:27.57 | jetx | err |
| 21:27.59 | jetx | installer |
| 21:28.00 | jim | kuntu: different installations need different things |
| 21:28.01 | simonrvn | kuntu: that is total bullshit |
| 21:28.06 | at0m|c | kuntu, by the time u moaned about it it were set up |
| 21:28.15 | Yo`Yo | jeru: FireFox |
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| 21:28.23 | kuntu | now i know why linux deves call them selfs hackers |
| 21:28.28 | jetx | 2.2 > (>=2.4) |
| 21:28.30 | jim | you've evidently never experienced what happens in a big site |
| 21:28.31 | kuntu | devs* |
| 21:28.36 | Yo`Yo | kuntu: why ? |
| 21:28.40 | simonrvn | "*whine* why isn't it set up for me? *whine*" |
| 21:28.56 | jetx | why ask why. drink bud dry. |
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| 21:29.00 | caphuso | kuntu: please go if all you want to do is whine |
| 21:29.02 | simonrvn | kuntu: *plonk* you fuck face |
| 21:29.02 | kuntu | phreaking geeks |
| 21:29.07 | caphuso | and everyone else stop feeding the troll |
| 21:29.10 | Yo`Yo | :O |
| 21:29.13 | simonrvn | kuntu!*@* added to ignore list |
| 21:29.18 | jetx | caphuso: but it's so much fun! |
| 21:29.23 | nvz | caphuso: you could slang this pizza on any street in the world. they are open 5pm-11pm Monday-Saturday, and they sell by the slice $0.70 its like herion you cant live without it |
| 21:29.33 | caphuso | jetx: it's not when i'm going to stop you |
| 21:29.39 | jetx | :( |
| 21:29.43 | jetx | mommy! |
| 21:29.55 | bnoji | ok. 2.6.11.11 on sarge. When it starts to boot past lilo, i get garbage on the screen and it locks up |
| 21:30.07 | jim | caphuso: you don't think stopping the troll will help? |
| 21:30.08 | jetx | you're right, it's no fun anymore you ruined it! :) |
| 21:30.18 | bucky | bnoji, did you build the kernel ? |
| 21:30.20 | jeru | Yo`Yo: haven't got a clue. What does settings->downloads say? |
| 21:30.26 | caphuso | jim: that's not what i said |
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| 21:30.56 | jim | it's what you implied by not stopping him and threatening a person who didn't start it |
| 21:31.08 | Pdpro | Anyone here caught a sight of that new free linux FPS called Nexiuz? |
| 21:31.12 | kuntu | linux needs to be turned inside out before it becomes something the way it should |
| 21:31.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 21:31.20 | jetx | hell i got the breezy dvd to boot... and the sarge net installer won't install over the net? |
| 21:31.22 | *** kick/#debian [kuntu!foobar@p5481B968.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (you've been warned) |
| 21:31.22 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@195.229.241.182] by caphuso |
| 21:31.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 21:31.27 | at0m|c | :) |
| 21:31.37 | simonrvn | i'll keep the /ignore anyway |
| 21:31.37 | jetx | ~caphuso++ |
| 21:31.45 | caphuso | simonrvn: won't hurt :) |
| 21:31.49 | simonrvn | that much less crap to put up with |
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| 21:31.57 | Azar | bonji, the 2.6.11 kernel is not an official Sarge one, the highest Sarge can offer is 2.6.8 |
| 21:31.58 | simonrvn | caphuso: danke, BTW |
| 21:31.59 | bnoji | bucky: built it, installed it, ran lilo and installed all the modules |
| 21:32.02 | jetx | ukuntu |
| 21:32.12 | jetx | ubuntu... maybe it WAS a troll |
| 21:32.17 | maher | bnoji: you probbaly left out some config options you need |
| 21:32.22 | jim | jetx: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... |
| 21:32.25 | jim | could be! |
| 21:32.30 | simonrvn | lame one. wait a minute, they're always lame |
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| 21:32.54 | Hablandocontigo | Can someone point me to a good tutorial to upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11? |
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| 21:33.08 | jeru | bnoji: if all else fails, take the 2.6.8-config from stable and do an make oldconfig. That should do. |
| 21:33.11 | bucky | kuntu is over in #ubuntu |
| 21:33.26 | Escher | longhorne will be unstable until december 2006, then Bill will turn it to "testing" and it'll be avalaible on all stores |
| 21:33.40 | Hablandocontigo | haha |
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| 21:34.20 | jeru | Hablandocontigo: just compile the kernel using kernel-package, taking the config from config-2.6.8 |
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| 21:34.45 | jetx | make menuconfig uses config-uname -r |
| 21:34.46 | nvz | fuck its going to storm |
| 21:34.54 | Hablandocontigo | jeru: please elaborate those steps, I don't quite understand either of them |
| 21:35.03 | Hablandocontigo | jeru: |
| 21:35.05 | Hablandocontigo | ah |
| 21:35.06 | nvz | I was going to ride the bike, now I will have to get wet or take the car |
| 21:35.08 | Hablandocontigo | I found the kernel package |
| 21:35.15 | astronut | Is the gnome-core package deprecated? |
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| 21:35.26 | nvz | or eat something less satisfying than Pizza :P |
| 21:35.30 | Area-51 | i just need to compile in a module for my kernel that i didnt before... after enabling a module in my kernel config, how would i compile and setup the module without rebooting? |
| 21:35.33 | jetx | make menuconfig will use your running kernel's config unless you already have a .config in the source |
| 21:35.45 | jeru | Hablandocontigo: ok install that package, then you'll have "make-kpkg" available |
| 21:35.48 | green_earz | Hablandocontigo: have a look at > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-kernel-details |
| 21:35.59 | cusco | there is still something wrong with my screeen settings.. when im using gnome is ok |
| 21:36.10 | Area-51 | jetx: you talking to me? |
| 21:36.13 | cusco | but when I change to a text mode tty... |
| 21:36.21 | cusco | the letters are blinking |
| 21:36.21 | frogman | anyone recover data from a formatted hd that had also been made into a dual boot system after formatting or know of a channel dealing with data recovery? |
| 21:36.22 | vsquared | nvz, at least you're not in Ft. Walton / Navarre / PCola area like I am |
| 21:36.22 | Hablandocontigo | green_earz: thank you |
| 21:36.24 | cusco | and cannot even read them |
| 21:36.26 | green_earz | np |
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| 21:36.39 | bruce2005 | hello |
| 21:36.39 | vsquared | nvz, although Arlene is a panzy |
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| 21:37.08 | jeru | Hablandocontigo: see what jetx just said? You can either copy your /boot/config-VERSION to linux-2.6.11.11/.config and do "make oldconfig" or do a "make menuconfig" if you are using 2.6.8 already |
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| 21:37.19 | green_earz | Hablandocontigo: and --initd is your friend with a kernel compile all so make oldconf |
| 21:37.33 | maher | frogman: did you do a fresh install over the driver? |
| 21:37.44 | maher | frogman: s/driver/drive/ |
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| 21:38.03 | Area-51 | if i just compiled some kernel and did the make modules_install, how would i update my modules config without rebooting? |
| 21:38.10 | Area-51 | some kernel modules* |
| 21:38.14 | maher | Area-51: update-modules |
| 21:38.14 | nvz | neah, looks heavy, but small storm.. as soon as it comes back with wind speed and direction I can figure this out |
| 21:38.23 | Area-51 | maher: thankies |
| 21:38.24 | nvz | damn think is slow today |
| 21:38.31 | frogman | maher, yes i formatted a windows xp install, created another partition for linux, then installed both xp and linux on it |
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| 21:39.26 | bruce2005 | need help, i have mounted a filesystem by mistake as root, now i want to remove any extra mount points and have my original mount filesystem back, i have the sarge distri and getting the following moount points , 1. /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount - ro) 2.proc on /proc type proc (rw) 3. devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) 4.tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) 5.usbfs on /proc/bus/u |
| 21:39.40 | maher | frogman: you probably can't get anything back in any reasonable way |
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| 21:39.51 | Hablandocontigo | jeru: so all I must do now is download a kernel image and run make-pkg in some directory? |
| 21:39.54 | mikaEL` | how can I install Java Runtime Environment plugin in Firefox ? |
| 21:39.55 | jetx | bruce2005: i don't see any problems |
| 21:39.57 | simonrvn | bruce2005: that's all normal stuff |
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| 21:40.11 | pipeline | !tell mikaEL` about java |
| 21:40.20 | jetx | i even read it twice |
| 21:40.23 | nvz | damn north at 8mph and its just starting, I figure the heavy rain to be 40miles wide and the overall storm to cover about 320sq miles |
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| 21:40.37 | nvz | could go on for a few hours |
| 21:40.40 | appaji | mikaEL`: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:40.43 | maher | frogman: stuff overwritten is probably gone - stuff not overwritten might still be there - you could try making a complete disk image with cat or dd and looking at random chunks of space... |
| 21:40.46 | nvz | even if the wind changes direction |
| 21:40.50 | jetx | 40x40=320? where you at? |
| 21:41.04 | jetx | or are you thiniing 3d |
| 21:41.08 | jetx | thining |
| 21:41.09 | bruce2005 | i know my linux is running fine right now but i have a new filesystem which apparently isn't compatible with the UML kernel |
| 21:41.10 | jetx | kkk |
| 21:41.12 | maher | frogman: but realistically if you really need and have cash you should send it to a professional... |
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| 21:41.45 | jim | Seb: I didn't know you were in SF |
| 21:41.56 | jim | thought you were in france :) |
| 21:41.57 | sylvainnn | shingouz, atom|c: I have checked for Matrox g450; this is about 100 euros. (I am in Europe) what nvidia card would be relevant? |
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| 21:42.02 | jeru | Hablandocontigo: yes, that's about it. but you don't need to build everything, that should do: make-kpkg --uc --us --revision 1.custom --rootcmd fakeroot --append-to-version '-custom' --initrd binary-arch |
| 21:42.05 | infralite | if i get the linux-k7 package, what will happen to my existing linux-386 kernel? and also will it configure automatically to boot up? |
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| 21:42.29 | deadcat | Seb: you in sf? |
| 21:42.32 | jeru | Hablandocontigo: the "custom"-parts can be altered to your needs or left away. |
| 21:42.34 | at0m|c | sylvainnn: doesnt look like a bad deal to me eh |
| 21:42.45 | Seb | deadcat: yeah |
| 21:42.48 | Seb | jim: really ? |
| 21:42.56 | Seb | i guess my IP always shows it though |
| 21:42.57 | Sabator | infralite, It won't touch your old one, and it should boot automatically |
| 21:43.01 | frogman | maher, with commecial software (trial) i can see alot of files. just not sure if i should pay to buy the software and see what i can get.. |
| 21:43.01 | deadcat | Seb: what neighborhood? |
| 21:43.02 | Seb | i'm not obfuscating or anything :) |
| 21:43.05 | Seb | deadcat: SOMA |
| 21:43.06 | bisquit | Eeps, my mouse jumps erratically while working on X. Tips? |
| 21:43.12 | jetx | bruce2005: what filesystem are you talking about |
| 21:43.12 | jim | yeah, well, over the years I kept seeing "seb-france" nick |
| 21:43.16 | infralite | Sabator: oh, so the new one boots eh? |
| 21:43.16 | Hablandocontigo | jeru: Could we do a step-by-step in PM? |
| 21:43.32 | deadcat | Seb: thats near the ballpark right? |
| 21:43.37 | jeru | Hablandocontigo: sure |
| 21:43.39 | Seb | deadcat: right there :) |
| 21:43.42 | Seb | deadcat: you ? |
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| 21:43.42 | deadcat | (= |
| 21:43.48 | jetx | ooo privsex |
| 21:43.48 | Sabator | infralite, yes it does |
| 21:43.49 | maher | frogman: i dno't know offhand tools for recovering ntfs - sure - pay some money why not |
| 21:43.51 | infralite | Sabator: ok, thanks for the help |
| 21:44.01 | Seb | jim: haha, well I'm french, but I live in SF anyway :> |
| 21:44.02 | jetx | i know some ntfs stuff wait |
| 21:44.03 | frogman | maher, thanks for the info, i'll see what happens |
| 21:44.07 | jetx | i have the links |
| 21:44.08 | deadcat | Seb: eatbay, just moved from sf last dec. |
| 21:44.12 | sylvainnn | at0m|c: well I do not need very much from the card, I would spend about 60 dollars. ATI Radeon 9200 seems quite fien for me, and it was 50 $, only there is no dual monitor support. do u meant o say that th video quality will be much better with matrox than with Radeon? |
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| 21:44.46 | at0m|c | sylvainnn: matrox is the standard for dual head 2D applications |
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| 21:44.50 | Seb | deadcat: ah k. Oaktown ? :) |
| 21:44.50 | infralite | sylvainnn: matrox does make (or used to make) pretty high-end cards |
| 21:45.13 | bruce2005 | jetx: i'm not sure, but i mounted a filesystem when i was in root, how do i go back to my original filesystem thx |
| 21:45.18 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.25 | jetx | get the ubb4win |
| 21:45.30 | jetx | ubbd |
| 21:45.37 | modnar_student | is there a boot flag for the install cd to install 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:45.43 | deadcat | Seb: pittsburg. |
| 21:45.43 | modnar_student | the net install cd that is |
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| 21:45.49 | Seb | deadcat: roger |
| 21:45.50 | deadcat | Seb: you going to linuxworld expo then? |
| 21:45.57 | Seb | deadcat: when is it ? |
| 21:46.04 | jetx | bruce2005: there is nothing mounted that shouldn't be, but you use umount /mount |
| 21:46.09 | Seb | heh, what a weak geek I am :> |
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| 21:46.12 | jetx | umount /cdrom for instance |
| 21:46.19 | deadcat | Seb: agu 9 10 11, and on 14th. its the linux picnix14 at sunnyvale |
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| 21:46.44 | jetx | modnar_student: yes there is try expert26 and let me know if you can connect to the net in the installer after everything gets loaded |
| 21:46.48 | Seb | deadcat: hmmm I might be in France beginning of August. If not, I'll definitely attend... |
| 21:46.54 | bruce2005 | jetx: seems strange caus before i mounted as root my uml kernel was running fine, but right now it isn't |
| 21:46.57 | jetx | aka does it find the mirror |
| 21:47.00 | deadcat | Seb: doh |
| 21:47.01 | modnar_student | jetx: alright :) |
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| 21:47.30 | jetx | modnar_student: no 2.6 on the floppies btw |
| 21:47.38 | jetx | juse cd's |
| 21:47.40 | jetx | just |
| 21:47.44 | modnar_student | *nods* |
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| 21:48.23 | jetx | ETA 11:15 :( |
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| 21:49.07 | alvanson | odd, OT question: anyone know of any canadian pizza chains that have online ordering? |
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| 21:49.26 | henryb | pizza is never off topic |
| 21:49.29 | jetx | is there Domino's in canada? |
| 21:49.30 | at0m|c | lol |
| 21:49.34 | bztunk | yes |
| 21:49.35 | jetx | or Pizza Hut? |
| 21:49.39 | bztunk | yes |
| 21:49.39 | deadcat | Seb: you might want to reg. just incase. (= |
| 21:49.40 | bztunk | both |
| 21:49.41 | henryb | if i were king, you'd be able to apt-get install hawaiian |
| 21:49.41 | sylvainnn | atomic: yes I understand this. but I heard that there are cards GeForce with dual head support which cost less. Any comments/ |
| 21:49.42 | pngwn | froogle for it |
| 21:49.46 | damcito | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.53 | zumbi | !es |
| 21:49.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:49.55 | bztunk | but pizza hut doesn't have online ordering in canada |
| 21:49.56 | jetx | no ganja stories |
| 21:50.12 | Seb | deadcat: true dat |
| 21:50.22 | Seb | deadcat: is it free ? |
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| 21:50.51 | jetx | only if you want a cloak that says freenode.supporter or so |
| 21:51.04 | jetx | freenode.jockstrap? omg |
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| 21:51.10 | deadcat | Seb: ya. |
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| 21:51.26 | jetx | err only if you don't... |
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| 21:51.57 | alvanson | but they don't take orders online :@ |
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| 21:52.06 | deadcat | Seb: https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/linuxsf2005/ga/ use real name. they check with your ID (=, code is NONE, select the free exhibit only thing. |
| 21:52.06 | alvanson | (pizza hut nor dominoes) |
| 21:52.20 | Seb | deadcat: sweet. THx man... |
| 21:53.36 | damcito | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.42 | deadcat | damcito: si |
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| 21:53.50 | zumbi | !es |
| 21:53.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:54.06 | zumbi | damcito no lees lo que dice dpkg |
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| 21:56.00 | deadcat | i am still planning to buy the bluetooth usb device unless someone talk me out of it. |
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| 21:57.11 | bucky | deadcat, what will you use it for ? |
| 21:57.16 | bucky | sounds cool |
| 21:57.33 | deadcat | bucky: i dont know. thats why i need someone to talk me out of it (= |
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| 22:00.43 | theboneman | whats up guys |
| 22:00.47 | deadcat | "Konversation terminated!"? HAHHA. i love KDE.. just like Krusty's Klassic Komedy... |
| 22:01.04 | theboneman | anyone know where i can get JAV from ? |
| 22:01.17 | deadcat | theboneman: wrong channel. |
| 22:01.25 | bucky | deadcat, connecting your laptop with your Nokia 6310i phone with Bluetooth |
| 22:01.35 | theboneman | deadcat im looking for debian package specifically |
| 22:01.39 | bucky | what's JAV ? |
| 22:01.44 | theboneman | so why is it the wrong channel? |
| 22:01.47 | theboneman | java... |
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| 22:02.01 | maher | theboneman: read the topic |
| 22:02.03 | deadcat | bucky: my nokia is the cheapest crap. no bluetooth. i was thinking maybe messing with other people with it.? |
| 22:02.06 | bobbens | !topicsmite theboneman |
| 22:02.06 | bucky | !tell theboneman about java |
| 22:02.07 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon theboneman. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:02.10 | theboneman | i cant |
| 22:02.21 | deadcat | theboneman: why didnt you type java? |
| 22:02.24 | theboneman | the list of users |
| 22:02.29 | theboneman | ? |
| 22:02.36 | henryb | ima computer |
| 22:02.38 | maher | theboneman: type: /TOPIC |
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| 22:02.59 | deadcat | bucky: my nokia cell phone is so cheap, it doesnt even show the model name |
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| 22:03.15 | bucky | ic.. bummer |
| 22:03.33 | jim | theboneman: sun, blackdown, other places... look into java-package... |
| 22:03.33 | sh4dowcat | deadcat: does it run Windows? |
| 22:03.45 | deadcat | bucky: i cant use bluetooth to jam everyone's cellphone? i want a cellphone jammer (= |
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| 22:03.50 | jim | oh, and IBM too |
| 22:03.55 | bucky | naughty |
| 22:03.59 | theboneman | um |
| 22:04.04 | deadcat | sh4dowcat: the nokia? no. it doesnt do shit but dial.. |
| 22:04.16 | maher | deadcat: tinfoil works quite well... |
| 22:04.18 | deadcat | sh4dowcat: first thing i did was remove the sound, image, games |
| 22:04.24 | jim | deadcat: ooh! careful there cowboy :) that thar is a felony :) |
| 22:04.32 | theboneman | uh |
| 22:04.43 | deadcat | jim: really? i just cant stand the damn cellphone users in the library. (= |
| 22:04.56 | maher | theboneman: you probably want to use java-package - install it - read the instructions |
| 22:05.09 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
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| 22:05.10 | theboneman | lol.. |
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| 22:06.02 | OKIDOKIMAN | Hello |
| 22:06.08 | OKIDOKIMAN | :S |
| 22:06.08 | jim | theboneman: you get java-package... you see a list of the javas it supports... you get one of those... you turn one of the java-package scripts on it... it makes a .deb... you install the .deb using dpkg (dpkg --help_ |
| 22:06.19 | OKIDOKIMAN | I need some support, |
| 22:06.29 | OKIDOKIMAN | how may I ask :) |
| 22:06.31 | deadcat | OKIDOKIMAN: me too |
| 22:06.44 | theboneman | oh |
| 22:06.57 | deadcat | OKIDOKIMAN: i need support. help me dammit. |
| 22:07.03 | OKIDOKIMAN | hahahaha |
| 22:07.09 | OKIDOKIMAN | ok what do u need |
| 22:07.12 | martinho | dpkg-reconfigure ssh isnt working, anyone with the same problem? |
| 22:07.18 | jim | OKIDOKIMAN: oh, you want to ask a question? put it on out there... /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 22:07.31 | deadcat | OKIDOKIMAN: my MTA is not working. do i need some kind of perm to config it? |
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| 22:07.57 | jim | deadcat: yeah, perm your hair,,, yeah, that's the ticket... |
| 22:07.58 | OKIDOKIMAN | Can't help u dead cat :s |
| 22:08.08 | jim | sorry :) |
| 22:08.13 | deadcat | OKIDOKIMAN: damnyou. )= |
| 22:08.21 | deadcat | jim: dont confuse me jim (= |
| 22:08.40 | OKIDOKIMAN | jajaja |
| 22:08.43 | OKIDOKIMAN | ok,, lets see |
| 22:08.44 | grumpydog | hah at permed hair |
| 22:09.02 | jim | you have to dpkg reconfigure as root |
| 22:09.07 | OKIDOKIMAN | I'm trying yo install debian on a sata disk, |
| 22:09.11 | OKIDOKIMAN | and DAMN |
| 22:09.14 | theboneman | jim |
| 22:09.15 | jim | ugh |
| 22:09.32 | OKIDOKIMAN | cant do it, the god damn thing hangs |
| 22:09.49 | OKIDOKIMAN | I have the lastest Sarge install cd |
| 22:09.49 | jim | any 2.6.11 images for d-i available? |
| 22:09.53 | bobbens | OKIDOKIMAN: does it hang after the restart? when booting up the kernel? |
| 22:10.11 | OKIDOKIMAN | no,, when loading de sata_sil |
| 22:10.21 | OKIDOKIMAN | or the sd_mod |
| 22:10.29 | sphere | OKIDOKIMAN: what make is your mobo |
| 22:10.43 | OKIDOKIMAN | ASUS akfldjdkf deluce |
| 22:10.45 | OKIDOKIMAN | deluxe |
| 22:10.47 | martinho | jim: i'm doing it as root that isnt the problem |
| 22:11.03 | theboneman | im using NVIDIA 6600 gt with a asus AI series bored |
| 22:11.22 | OKIDOKIMAN | any ideas guys |
| 22:11.29 | theboneman | jim, i dont understand exactly wtf u were saying... where can i find the java .deb package |
| 22:11.35 | sphere | OKIDOKIMAN: I thought those boards had promise chips for sata |
| 22:11.44 | bobbens | theboneman: there is no .deb package you have to make it with java-package |
| 22:11.49 | tarzeau | takatumi: we had a bubbling debian sarge release guitar & grill party |
| 22:11.51 | theboneman | ah |
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| 22:11.55 | bobbens | theboneman: try looking for man java-package |
| 22:12.00 | jim | theboneman: here's the problem: debian cannot distribute java... it can't... |
| 22:12.01 | theboneman | yeah |
| 22:12.05 | theboneman | i was reading about it earlier |
| 22:12.11 | henryb | theboneman there are a couple ways to deal with the java thing |
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| 22:12.13 | jim | theboneman: so here's what they do instead |
| 22:12.16 | henryb | here is a very simple one.... |
| 22:12.25 | maher | theboneman: try apt-get install java-package |
| 22:12.26 | jasoncohen | anyone here run the amd64 bit port of debian? I'm thinking about getting an amd 3000+ 64 and wondering what the performance difference is in 32 & 64 bit modes for desktop type stuff |
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| 22:12.30 | theboneman | ok |
| 22:12.44 | henryb | theboneman add 'deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian unstable non-free' to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:12.54 | jim | theboneman: they made a script that takes one of those .bin files and turns it into a debian package |
| 22:12.55 | henryb | then apt-get install whatever relies on java...you should be fine |
| 22:13.14 | henryb | sorry, apt-get update first |
| 22:13.24 | sphere | OKIDOKIMAN: what kernel are you using |
| 22:13.27 | Pdpro | Oh I still haven't got java working. |
| 22:13.28 | jim | theboneman: then you use dpkg to install the resulting package |
| 22:13.41 | theboneman | Couldn't find package java-package |
| 22:13.42 | jim | Pdpro: you could do the same thing :) |
| 22:13.58 | bobbens | jim && henryb: you shouldnt say two ways to do the same thing... |
| 22:14.03 | Pdpro | About: plugins returns it.. but It just doesn't express or output anything excluding a blank interpretation. |
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| 22:14.06 | bobbens | it confuses most people :P |
| 22:14.10 | henryb | bobbens ok, dude. oh wait. screw off |
| 22:14.13 | henryb | :) |
| 22:14.21 | jim | bobbens: I only said one way |
| 22:14.25 | henryb | same here ;) |
| 22:14.25 | bobbens | sigh |
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| 22:14.31 | bobbens | w/e |
| 22:14.38 | jim | but the fact is, there -is- more than one way to do most things |
| 22:14.50 | henryb | and that -is- what linux, debian, et al, is all about |
| 22:14.51 | Pdpro | Java-package (I used this, although after running it didn't output a deb file.) |
| 22:14.53 | theboneman | there is no java-pacakage :P |
| 22:15.01 | OKIDOKIMAN | jer |
| 22:15.18 | OKIDOKIMAN | here,, sorry,, JIM,, is this gd IRC client |
| 22:15.26 | maher | theboneman: what version of debian |
| 22:15.33 | theboneman | sarge |
| 22:15.38 | jim | theboneman: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:15.51 | maher | theboneman: do you have contrib in sources.list |
| 22:15.53 | theboneman | 3.1 |
| 22:15.55 | OKIDOKIMAN | I have a damn SATA driver |
| 22:16.02 | OKIDOKIMAN | and I cant install the Mother F Linux |
| 22:16.07 | OKIDOKIMAN | HELP pls |
| 22:16.09 | theboneman | um... maher i dunno :[ |
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| 22:16.13 | bruce2005 | i have a question, if upgrade my kernel right now i have 2.4 sarge, will my filesystems be mounted again? |
| 22:16.16 | deadcat | OKIDOKIMAN: try another distro maybe. |
| 22:16.24 | jetx | yes bruce2005 |
| 22:16.28 | bruce2005 | YES |
| 22:16.45 | OKIDOKIMAN | deadcat wich one may I use |
| 22:16.52 | jetx | bruce2005: if it's in your fstab rather, or if you use the same command |
| 22:16.52 | deadcat | OKIDOKIMAN: try fedora or ubuntu |
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| 22:16.59 | sphere | deadcat: 2.6.8.1 works fine with sil3112 |
| 22:17.06 | sphere | it is what sarge has |
| 22:17.06 | jim | OKIDOKIMAN: depending on what sata controller you have, the kernel in debian's current debian-installer might not work |
| 22:17.11 | jim | it's a typical problem |
| 22:17.11 | tvn | how do I add a compiler's include dir to the path ? so that I can use something like #include "header.h" |
| 22:17.14 | deadcat | sphere: for you. hes a bit slow maybe. |
| 22:17.15 | maher | theboneman: have you run apt-setup? |
| 22:17.18 | OKIDOKIMAN | sphere are you shure |
| 22:17.23 | sphere | I'm slow too shrug |
| 22:17.28 | theboneman | maher i dont think so |
| 22:17.35 | maher | theboneman: do so |
| 22:17.39 | sphere | my kernel is vanilla tho not debian |
| 22:17.44 | sphere | still the same version |
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| 22:17.55 | tarzeau | jethro: bub-n-bros now! abrotman, paulswm |
| 22:17.56 | OKIDOKIMAN | sphere repeat the version pls |
| 22:17.56 | theboneman | maher yes, because i was apt-get other things... |
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| 22:18.03 | sphere | OKIDOKIMAN: did you try the other sil3112 driver |
| 22:18.12 | jetx | who? |
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| 22:18.28 | OKIDOKIMAN | sphere I dont know how to do ir from the installer |
| 22:18.37 | freecraft | hey, help me with this , please, http://pastebin.com/299135 |
| 22:18.47 | freecraft | it is the error I get when i run apt-get update |
| 22:18.47 | jetx | it's about... |
| 22:18.49 | jim | and it's going to continue to be typical until 2.6.11 (or .10 maybe) is an available kernel to boot from in order to boot the installer |
| 22:18.52 | freecraft | thank you all |
| 22:18.54 | jetx | \o/ |
| 22:19.43 | sphere | OKIDOKIMAN: SIIMAGE |
| 22:19.47 | sphere | it is the ata driver |
| 22:19.50 | pkmpar | Hello all. I have a weird DMA problem. Hoping someone can give me some idea what's going on. |
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| 22:20.10 | OKIDOKIMAN | sphere thank you,...!! so much,,, where may I get it |
| 22:20.12 | bruce2005 | jetx: i'm doing apt-cache search, there r whole bunch of kernel images, which one is stable and compatible, i have amd 32 bit |
| 22:20.27 | sphere | I'm using SATA_SIL tho so shrug |
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| 22:21.18 | bruce2005 | jetx: i have a 2.4.27 kernel rightn ow |
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| 22:21.24 | pkmpar | I've been running one or the the other of debian sarge/sid and ubuntu hoary on my machine for a while now with no probs. Then one day connceted a friends Xbox HDD to my sytem to get a file off it. I assumed it would be a fat system and there wouldn;t be any problems |
| 22:21.25 | OKIDOKIMAN | sphere so I should boot from the installer, and then ??? |
| 22:21.27 | theboneman | me too bruce2005 :) |
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| 22:21.46 | bruce2005 | good for you |
| 22:21.50 | freecraft | any help please? http://pastebin.com/299135 |
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| 22:21.53 | theboneman | er |
| 22:21.56 | bruce2005 | lol |
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| 22:22.16 | pkmpar | but ever since then I can't seem to enable DMa at all. booting takes around 20 mins and I get the following error |
| 22:22.20 | pkmpar | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:<4>hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 |
| 22:22.20 | pkmpar | hda: DMA timeout error |
| 22:22.20 | pkmpar | hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| 22:22.20 | pkmpar | hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 |
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| 22:22.24 | fwiw39 | hi - would it be possible to install debian on my grandparent's desktop in california and remotely administer it from out-of-state for extended periods of time? |
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| 22:22.30 | maher | freecraft: there is no security for testing |
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| 22:22.36 | pkmpar | any ideas? |
| 22:22.38 | bruce2005 | i'm doing apt-cache search, there r whole bunch of kernel images, which one is stable and compatible, i have amd 32 bit and currently the 2.4.27 kernel |
| 22:22.50 | OKIDOKIMAN | sphere :s sorry man,,, how do I load the silimage,, with apt-get???? from the installer |
| 22:22.59 | TwistedEmotions | i am definately a cock monger |
| 22:23.01 | osh | fwiw39: I've been doing something similar for my parents so it should work for you too. |
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| 22:23.19 | fwiw39 | osh - my gramps running a 800 mhz rig with 128 mb ram |
| 22:23.20 | maher | fwiw39: yes -but some things are hard to remotely - i do something similar for my mum - usulaly from a different continent |
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| 22:23.35 | Supaplex | mum's the word |
| 22:23.47 | fwiw39 | osh - right now i have win2k with symantec anti-malware/virus running and it's taxing the system way too much |
| 22:23.53 | jasoncohen | anyone here use the debian amd64 port? |
| 22:24.07 | fwiw39 | and there's really no sense in buying new hardware...they just want to surf the web and write email |
| 22:24.23 | fwiw39 | maher - so is there a weblink i can read to learn how to remotely administer? |
| 22:24.47 | fwiw39 | maher - i was wondering if there is even much to do remotely? can't you just chron apt-get update && upgrade? |
| 22:24.47 | OKIDOKIMAN | sphere last little help... I almost got it |
| 22:24.57 | OKIDOKIMAN | sphere sorry to bother this much! |
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| 22:25.13 | maher | fwiw39: i ssh in when necessary - I do so very rarely |
| 22:25.23 | bisquit | Thanks for everything, it was fun. Oh and I'll be back too. |
| 22:25.23 | bobbens | fwiw39: to be on the safe side in case things break, i wouldn't apt-get update much, just get it working |
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| 22:25.40 | fwiw39 | bobbens - i thought apt-get update/upgrade was a robust system |
| 22:25.43 | jasoncohen | fwiw39, yes, cron-apt can be used to run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade but that's only a good idea if you're on a stable system with official sources |
| 22:25.44 | bruce2005 | if i have amd 32 bit, should i install the 386 kernel? |
| 22:25.54 | tarzeau | jharrison: bub? |
| 22:26.20 | jasoncohen | fwiw39, i setup a specific source security.sources.list for my sarge system to do just that and it emails me to inform me of the updates. |
| 22:26.23 | fwiw39 | jasoncohen - i'm running TESTING and i apt-get update/upgrade everything regularly...IS that a bad thing :( :/ (fairly new debian user) |
| 22:26.25 | jim | bubbleman! |
| 22:26.25 | bobbens | fwiw39 maybe if you only do security patches, but if somehow a buggy something gets in it could get hurt, unless you use stable |
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| 22:26.51 | maher | fwiw39: i would recommend you use stable |
| 22:26.59 | freecraft | maher, what should I do to enable apt-get update ? |
| 22:26.59 | fwiw39 | maher - for me, or for my gramps? |
| 22:27.00 | jasoncohen | fwiw39, that can be a very bad idea if you have unofficial sources like marillat. just this week marillat was broken and it tried to upgrade all my marillat packages from the testing to unstable versions. |
| 22:27.27 | fwiw39 | jason - ah...so just grab the security updates then |
| 22:27.33 | jasoncohen | fwiw39, you should be ok if you're just doing testing official sources but it's still probably not advisable. i would just use the default which is to download the packages and email you the output so you can decide what to do |
| 22:27.34 | maher | freecraft: do you really want to run testing - what's wrong with stable |
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| 22:27.41 | jasoncohen | fwiw39, well, testing has no security source |
| 22:27.55 | maher | fwiw39: for both |
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| 22:28.03 | jasoncohen | fwiw39, if you want to automate the upgrades use stable |
| 22:28.08 | theboneman | hey |
| 22:28.23 | theboneman | how i can i check what ver ofdebian i have like uname -a |
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| 22:28.35 | maher | theboneman: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:28.42 | fwiw39 | so...that leads to another question - i've heard a lot of people say use TESTING for desktop/SOHO use...and STABLE is for servers and such. why are you guys advocating TESTING for home/SOHO use? |
| 22:28.46 | ozzloy | i've been running testing for a while, since before sarge was released ... i'm wondering what i need to do to keep with this? i don't want to keep being in testing, i want to move to stable |
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| 22:28.54 | maher | fwiw39: I'm not use stable |
| 22:29.16 | maher | ozzloy: but sarge or stable in sources.list instead of testing |
| 22:29.21 | luulis | fwiw39: stable is now up-to-date enough for use with desktop |
| 22:29.23 | jasoncohen | fwiw39, by default cron-apt will run apt-get autoclean, apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade in download-only mode. if you setup your MTA and put in your email address in /etc/cron-apt/config and set to "upgrade" , you'll only get emails when there are new packages to install and you'll already have the packages downloaded |
| 22:29.24 | fwiw39 | i mean...isn't all the stuff in stable pretty old? unstable is the fun one, but risky. TESTING is the middle ground...fairly new, but not so dangerous |
| 22:29.27 | maher | fwiw39: I'm not - use stable |
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| 22:29.42 | jasoncohen | fwiw39, you'll be emailed the output so you can see exactly what's to be installed |
| 22:29.44 | bobbens | fwiw39: sarge is just stable, its better now |
| 22:29.47 | maher | fwiw39: just use stable and think happy thoughts |
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| 22:30.05 | reagent | tarzeau: wow |
| 22:30.06 | jasoncohen | fwiw39, i use stable for my mythtv backend and it runs great- it's reliable and just works |
| 22:30.10 | ozzloy | maher, whereis sources.list? |
| 22:30.18 | reagent | tarzeau: That debian release party blew the roof off |
| 22:30.22 | bobbens | ozzloy: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:30.24 | maher | ozzloy: /etc/apt |
| 22:30.24 | fwiw39 | guys - so at some point sarge will become outdated, and people will then start using TESTING again transiently? |
| 22:30.24 | freecraft | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:30.33 | jasoncohen | anyways, testing and stable are nearly identical now. you can always upgrade to testing later when you learn more about debian. |
| 22:30.34 | ozzloy | thanx |
| 22:30.36 | tarzeau | reagent: yeah that was alots of fun! |
| 22:30.38 | maher | fwiw39: maybe the nest release won't take 3 years |
| 22:30.43 | bobbens | fwiw39: perhaps |
| 22:30.43 | freecraft | maher, i have fixed it, i just edited the sources.list file |
| 22:31.22 | jasoncohen | fwiw39, if this is a desktop system you'll probably end up using testing though if you're the kind of person that's wants new packages |
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| 22:31.57 | fwiw39 | jason -yes, i like shiny and new |
| 22:32.02 | fwiw39 | i like to have a lil fun |
| 22:32.10 | bobbens | fwiw39: then you should do experimental ;) |
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| 22:32.16 | fwiw39 | well...not that much fun. :) |
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| 22:32.32 | fwiw39 | let's say i'm into cute girls, but not call girls |
| 22:32.35 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 22:32.53 | reagent | tarzeau: But next time we should describe the location and print out phone numbers of the poeple which know where it is |
| 22:33.06 | tarzeau | reagent: definitely |
| 22:33.16 | fwiw39 | so what are the risks involved with using TESTING? i can get hacked? my system can crash? what else? |
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| 22:33.39 | tarzeau | fwiw39: sky will fall onto your head |
| 22:33.44 | Blissex | fwiw39: all of the above, and some more but it practice it is pretty safe. |
| 22:33.53 | maher | fwiw39: run stable - play with testing / unstable in chroots - ask dpkg about chroot |
| 22:33.59 | bobbens | fwiw39: testing is pretty stable, i used it a long time with no problems. The risks are every so often some bad apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade might hurt you or something. |
| 22:34.05 | theboneman | ok |
| 22:34.05 | tarzeau | reagent: go ahead: http://wiki.debian.net/?ReleasePartyEtch |
| 22:34.08 | theboneman | i have java .bin |
| 22:34.13 | theboneman | so now how toturn it into a .devb |
| 22:34.16 | theboneman | deb package |
| 22:34.19 | tarzeau | theboneman: don't bother |
| 22:34.20 | fwiw39 | bobbens - and when you get hurt you have to manually fix crap, right? |
| 22:34.27 | tarzeau | theboneman: or read www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 22:34.29 | bobbens | fwiw39: basically :P its fun |
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| 22:34.59 | ozzloy | so i had in my sources.list both sarge and testing, which was true at one time, now i've changed everything to say sarge and stable. is it safe to just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:35.10 | reagent | tarzeau: lol |
| 22:35.13 | maher | theboneman: do you have java-package |
| 22:35.21 | fwiw39 | i'm not really a computer guy...i'm a food science guy. but i know using too much M$ in the long run is like eating McD everyday...you'll die from it |
| 22:35.28 | tarzeau | ozzloy: just use stable OR sarge |
| 22:35.40 | tarzeau | ozzloy: because sarge will not always be stable |
| 22:35.42 | reagent | tarzeau: And you know what? Again, my wireless lan is not working |
| 22:35.48 | tarzeau | reagent: cracks me up ;) |
| 22:35.57 | reagent | tarzeau: question: shall I blame the AP? |
| 22:35.58 | osh | is there a tool to compare two directory trees and find out which files differ? |
| 22:35.59 | ozzloy | tarzeau, so where i have sarge right now i should change it to say "stable"? |
| 22:36.08 | reagent | osh: diff? |
| 22:36.14 | tarzeau | ozzloy: if that's what you want yes. |
| 22:36.24 | ozzloy | oic. thanx |
| 22:36.33 | theboneman | maher, no i dont |
| 22:36.37 | tarzeau | reagent: AP hmmm maybe |
| 22:36.42 | maher | theboneman: install it |
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| 22:36.57 | reagent | osh: do you want to compare the file content or just the files? |
| 22:36.59 | ozzloy | so i had testing there before, now i have stable. is it safe to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:37.06 | maher | ozzloy: yes |
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| 22:37.12 | tarzeau | mc has directory compare |
| 22:37.12 | ozzloy | cool. thanx |
| 22:37.16 | reagent | osh: Or other question: Does it hurt if you are comparing file content and not just files? |
| 22:37.18 | tarzeau | so does OPENSTEP |
| 22:37.41 | osh | reagent: not quite what I'm looking for. I want to know which files differ so that I can look closer at them. Trying to merge two similar code-bases that were split some months ago. |
| 22:37.44 | paulswm | !irritate tarzeau |
| 22:37.46 | dpkg | tarzeau: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde plz msg me, murf_ |
| 22:38.12 | paulswm | Openstep, hah |
| 22:38.15 | reagent | osh: But isn't that exactly what diff does? |
| 22:38.16 | thingfish | I have set up on this box a printer shared on a winxp box successfully many times before, but now in sarge I seem to be forgetting or overlooking something. It looks like the printer is set up fine, but test pages don't print. |
| 22:38.17 | asuffield | osh: sounds like diff to me |
| 22:38.49 | Bhaal | Why have all the non-US sid packages.gz stuff gone? |
| 22:38.53 | tarzeau | paulswm: yeah, and it's very cool as you can even compare .rtf stuff any anything that you have a handler for |
| 22:39.02 | tarzeau | !non-us |
| 22:39.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 22:39.08 | bobbens | !topicsmite Bhaal |
| 22:39.08 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Bhaal. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:39.10 | Seb | tarzeau: what's the name of your game again ? |
| 22:39.15 | Seb | tarzeau: the bubble thing |
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| 22:39.20 | tarzeau | Seb: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros |
| 22:39.24 | paulswm | tarzeau: just pulling your leg :) |
| 22:39.26 | tarzeau | Seb: JOIN . NOW . |
| 22:39.30 | Seb | tarzeau: ha, yeah, no package :> |
| 22:39.32 | Seb | tarzeau: will do |
| 22:39.53 | tarzeau | Seb: yes there's no package, i've started one, and i won't finish it (unless upstream fixes some nasties) |
| 22:39.54 | thingfish | I have used gnome-cups-add, the CUPS html setup and admin tool, and kcontrol all to set up the printer. Results all the same - test pages fail to print, with no error messages that I've seen. |
| 22:39.55 | Howitzer | lol |
| 22:39.56 | paulswm | Aaaargh bub-n-bros. tarzeau is back on the Dark Side |
| 22:40.08 | tarzeau | paulswm: damn, wasn't i back yesterday? |
| 22:40.12 | Howitzer | funny people here! |
| 22:40.18 | thingfish | the printer is a supported Epson. |
| 22:40.22 | paulswm | tarzeau: Indeed, I realized that as I typed. |
| 22:40.29 | osh | reagent: asuffield: There are several subdirectories and perhaps just one or two files have changed in each dir. Diff works but isn't relly optimal for the job. |
| 22:40.43 | pkmpar | I've got a seriously crippled system with no DMA, anybody know anything about this error: hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| 22:40.46 | maher | thingfish: do you have gs-esp instaled |
| 22:40.46 | intension | !hi |
| 22:40.46 | Bhaal | bobbens: I did actually read the topic before asking.. Just missed that bit... the sid bit at the start caught my eye... |
| 22:40.46 | dpkg | hello, intension |
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| 22:40.51 | asuffield | how the hell not? diff is what everybody uses to do that |
| 22:40.54 | intension | hi dpkg |
| 22:40.55 | thingfish | maher: I'll check. |
| 22:40.59 | idnar | how can yoo see the full text of the non-us factoid? |
| 22:40.59 | bobbens | Bhaal: i like to topicsmite |
| 22:41.05 | reagent | osh: So explain what's bad with diff.. I'm sorry, I just can't imagine what you are looking for |
| 22:41.12 | idnar | er, *you |
| 22:41.14 | Bhaal | bobbens: hehe :) |
| 22:41.16 | thingfish | maher: no I do not. |
| 22:41.22 | maher | thingfish: install it |
| 22:41.29 | intension | hi simonrvn :) |
| 22:41.31 | thingfish | maher: ok, will do. |
| 22:41.36 | Bhaal | Sooo all the stuff the US govt originally bitched about is now not a concern? |
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| 22:41.49 | bobbens | Bhaal: debian worked around it |
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| 22:42.16 | Bhaal | bobbens: Just so long as I dont lose anything :)\ |
| 22:42.21 | theboneman | ... |
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| 22:45.35 | neo10-CZE | Hello. Is anybody here, who can help me with setting slave DNS server (bind9) for ona domain. I have problem. - I change any data in zone on primary dns server, change serial on SOA record.. But slave dns doesn't download this news zone.. Primary server wrote to log : zone iczf.net/IN: sending notifies (serial 100110050) |
| 22:45.35 | neo10-CZE | . In named.conf I have notify yes;. On slave dns server I must delete old zone and restart bind, so as it download zone |
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| 22:46.01 | neo10-CZE | (new zone) |
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| 22:46.50 | neo10-CZE | Why slave dns server doesn't download zone automatically ? |
| 22:46.51 | thingfish | well, maher, that seems to have changed nothing. |
| 22:47.35 | maher | thingfish: what does it say in the logs? |
| 22:47.45 | vinsci | sid locking up for anyone else? One of my sid:s has just started crashing/locking almost as soon as X comes up, but the other sid is perfectly fine |
| 22:47.52 | maher | thingfish: paste exciting log lines into #flood |
| 22:48.05 | kreg | anyone familiar with /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 22:48.08 | thingfish | maher: from which log? |
| 22:48.08 | neo10-CZE | help me pls with my problem :( |
| 22:48.16 | osh | reagent: Let's say I have 100 files in the "old" base and an equal amount in the new base. Now let's say that just two files differ. While "diff" works it doesn't quickly show which two files I need to look at closer. And then I have another 30 or so dirs and subdirs to concider. I was looking for a tool that would tell me "file X and file Y in dir Z and file A in dir B needs attention". Yes I can script this with diff but I was hoping that I d |
| 22:48.25 | intension | kreg ask a question please |
| 22:48.27 | kreg | PasswordAuthentication no so how am i logging in?? |
| 22:48.37 | kreg | it's defaulted to no, yet i'm still logging in. |
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| 22:48.47 | jethro | kreg: you have pam enabled ? |
| 22:48.49 | maher | thingfish: /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 22:48.54 | kreg | yes |
| 22:48.54 | xinming | anyone here can tell me how to check the finish percentage of downloads using jigdo-lite please? |
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| 22:49.16 | neo10-CZE | help me pls :( |
| 22:49.34 | jethro | kreg: and you also have challengeresponse? |
| 22:49.36 | maher | osh: diff -q? |
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| 22:49.59 | prog | neo10-CZE, try decrease refresh value in your SOA record |
| 22:50.13 | bucky | kreg is ssh running on the other computer? |
| 22:50.14 | kreg | jethro, it's commented out, but defaulted to yes. |
| 22:50.23 | jetx | there is no etch |
| 22:50.26 | jethro | kreg: I assume you want only pubkey auth right? |
| 22:50.26 | osh | maher: does that descend into subdirs and look there too? |
| 22:50.49 | muaddib | I am having difficulty running xine debian package with my DVD player. For some reason when I launch it and load my DVD it works ok all the previews are played and the quality is just to my liking. Then when I get to the menu to choose what scene I want to watch it attempts to load the scene go the the FBI disclaimer about copying and then it just crashes |
| 22:51.00 | muaddib | I've tried using mplayer and I don't have any problems |
| 22:51.08 | muaddib | has anyone had this problem before |
| 22:51.13 | maher | osh: try it and see - also read man diff |
| 22:51.18 | kreg | jethro, yes |
| 22:51.18 | xinming | No one would tell me? :-S |
| 22:51.31 | thingfish | I pasted it, maher, and yes I installed that gs-esp like you suggested. |
| 22:51.36 | neo10-CZE | prof: yes, but I want, so as slave dns server download zone automaticly, when I change zone |
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| 22:52.07 | jethro | kreg: so set ChallengeResponseAuthentication no |
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| 22:52.17 | bucky | neo10-CZE, there's some people in #dns and they have good howtos in their /topic |
| 22:52.27 | jethro | kreg: there's a bug in the bts for that matter |
| 22:52.31 | osh | maher: That was a rethorical question. I know what diff does and -q doesn't do what I asked. |
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| 22:52.59 | maher | osh: ok - so i didn't understand what you wanted to do |
| 22:53.35 | osh | maher: Ok, here it is again. Let's say I have 100 files in the "old" base and an equal amount in the new base. Now let's say that just two files differ. While "diff" works it doesn't quickly show which two files I need to look at closer. And then I have another 30 or so dirs and subdirs to concider. I was looking for a tool that would tell me "file X and file Y in dir Z and file A in dir B needs attention". Yes I can script this with diff but I |
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| 22:53.51 | kreg | jethro, thanks. |
| 22:53.56 | jethro | kreg: see /usr/share/doc/ssh/changelog.Debian.gz for more info |
| 22:54.00 | jethro | kreg: you're welcome |
| 22:54.32 | maher | osh: yes - i read that - i thought diff -q would do what you want - so i don't understand what you want to do |
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| 22:55.02 | magog | i jus installed debian, whats the best way to install my nvidia driver? |
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| 22:55.47 | osh | maher: It doesn't do anything for subdirs, but that's ok now. I was surfing around on packages.debian.org and found something called "dirdiff" which does exactly what I want. :-) |
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| 22:56.36 | floppyears | when will debian have an xorg package ? |
| 22:56.46 | jethro | floppyears: when it's ready |
| 22:57.03 | craigevil | xorg as in Experimental last I looked |
| 22:57.03 | maher | floppyears: people are working on it - it should appear in experimental in a few weeks |
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| 22:57.12 | floppyears | jethro: I know, but I mean. Xorg has been out for a long time |
| 22:57.34 | floppyears | thanks |
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| 22:58.06 | maher | floppyears: why don't you help package it |
| 22:58.11 | cddesjar | anyone know a nice GUI for converting mp3s to wav files |
| 22:58.21 | floppyears | maher: how may I be of help ? |
| 22:58.37 | cddesjar | i know about the command line stuff (mpg321) |
| 22:58.37 | jim | floppyears: but surely xorg isn't the only way you can get x going... or is it? |
| 22:59.08 | maher | floppyears: read the x-strike-force mailing list and see what needs to be done |
| 22:59.17 | magog | isnt there a repository i can use to get the driver? |
| 22:59.24 | floppyears | jim: it's not, but xorg defenitely has some advantages over xfree |
| 22:59.31 | floppyears | maher: thanks, will do |
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| 23:00.02 | Nexus | Is there some way to track what users are doing on your system? People who ssh in? |
| 23:00.19 | thingfish | maherm thanks a lot, it's printing now. |
| 23:00.22 | thingfish | *maher |
| 23:00.22 | bruce2005 | question, i have uml installed using apt-get install UML, how do i go into uml kernel |
| 23:00.43 | maher | floppyears: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/NEWS.xhtml <-- xorg appears to be available via svn |
| 23:00.52 | maher | thingfish: cool |
| 23:01.04 | Biff | Nexus: if you cant find out the answer to that on your own, you should not let other people log in to your machine |
| 23:01.09 | intension | Nexus you can use the HISTFILE env var to store alltyped commands |
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| 23:01.31 | neo10-CZE | bucky: no one answer me |
| 23:01.38 | Nexus | Biff, It's not my server you git. |
| 23:01.44 | jim | floppyears: well in any case, glad you're not stuck in text mode... altho your box would still work if you were... you'd jsut have to type more... |
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| 23:02.27 | jethro | !pal Ugly_Duck |
| 23:02.37 | monsoon | has anyone used smart pkg mgr assistant or whatver it is (supposedly works with apt) |
| 23:02.40 | floppyears | jim: I personally love shells, it's my favorite part of linux. It's just that I have to use graphics to accomplish certain tasks :) |
| 23:02.40 | jim | but in that case you could try building xorg, or getting binaries |
| 23:02.49 | monsoon | im just wondering if its any good |
| 23:02.51 | samuel_ | How can i do to kdm init in kde, instead of gnome (i don't know why it start gnome here) in debian? |
| 23:03.01 | samuel_ | With automatic login? |
| 23:03.06 | theboneman | maher can i pm u |
| 23:03.14 | theboneman | hey |
| 23:03.16 | jim | floppyears: what are the (technical) advantages? |
| 23:03.26 | theboneman | does anyone know exactly how to find the java package... |
| 23:03.37 | Ugly_Duck | jethro: ahhh huh, and? |
| 23:03.38 | jethro | theboneman: /msg dpkg install java |
| 23:03.45 | cddesjar | anyone know if there is a command to convert a whole directory of mp3 files to wav files? mpg321 -w <something> <something> |
| 23:03.46 | jethro | Ugly_Duck: sid will never be testing |
| 23:03.47 | jim | theboneman: you're running debian-3.1? |
| 23:04.04 | Ugly_Duck | oh ok, what will become tsting etch? |
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| 23:04.12 | jethro | Ugly_Duck: yes, etch. |
| 23:04.17 | jim | (I'm not doing pvtmsg here btw; no time) |
| 23:04.31 | jim | Ugly_Duck: already is |
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| 23:04.57 | Ugly_Duck | jethro: ahh.. thanks, so if i'm running testing i'm already get etch packages.. which are uptodate |
| 23:05.07 | jethro | Ugly_Duck: yes. |
| 23:05.13 | Ugly_Duck | jethro: sweet.. cheers |
| 23:05.15 | floppyears | jim: from what I remember reading a while ago, XFree had little to no development effort put into it. Xorg has been putting fresh air where there wasn't before. |
| 23:05.46 | jim | oh, so xfree was just bugfixing and suporting new cards |
| 23:05.55 | B_Raven | I'm looking at the list of sarge iso's, there are a lot of them. anyone know which of them are strictly required to get the base system with X and KDE? |
| 23:06.30 | jim | B_Raven: strictly required? none. |
| 23:06.36 | intension | samuel_ do you want to start kde instead of gnome when your pc boots up ? or use kdm instead of gdm ? |
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| 23:06.51 | bucky | B_Raven, the netinstall iso |
| 23:07.00 | jim | B_Raven: you can start the install with as little as two floppies |
| 23:07.00 | samuel_ | intension: Im using kdm already, the problem is if i set to automatic login, it start gnome, i want kde! |
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| 23:07.12 | bruce2005 | need help, i just the kernel image 2.6.8 but when i run uname -a it says i have 2.4.27?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:07.13 | B_Raven | bucky: tried that, the wait for the packages to download was killing me :( |
| 23:07.21 | nvz | B_Raven: when I installed from cds, and choose "Desktop System" in tasksel which installs ALL OF GNOME AND KDE, it took the first 3, though the packages on the 3rd cd it pulled were few and insignificant, like hal and udev and shit |
| 23:07.40 | jim | B_Raven: oh, so you're going to order a CD? |
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| 23:07.56 | nvz | B_Raven: d/l the packages in lump sums taks just as long, and you actually end up d/l shit you will never use as well |
| 23:07.59 | B_Raven | jim: bittorrent, can run while I'm asleep. ;) |
| 23:08.02 | bucky | B_Raven, then you didn't choose a good repository to download from when you installed |
| 23:08.08 | thingfish | B_Raven: I only needed the first two CDs for desktop environment, print server, and file server. |
| 23:08.14 | nvz | B_Raven: netinstall can run while you sleep too |
| 23:08.26 | nvz | B_Raven: and you can still be using the system at the same time |
| 23:08.26 | thingfish | B_Raven: however afterwards, when you go to install odd things, you'll need the other CDs. |
| 23:08.32 | thingfish | so get all 14. |
| 23:08.43 | thingfish | or yes, do the netinstall. |
| 23:08.43 | bucky | B_Raven, tell netinstall to get packages from a site near no |
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| 23:09.03 | jim | B_Raven: so, you have a modem on your phone line? |
| 23:09.25 | B_Raven | *shrugs* Probably just me that can't sleep while my system isn't up and running then. |
| 23:09.40 | B_Raven | jim: 740kbps broadband. |
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| 23:09.56 | jim | B_Raven: you could be up in a half hour |
| 23:10.02 | bruce2005 | i know what i'm gonna do, install linux again :( caus cant get uml running |
| 23:10.06 | nvz | B_Raven: the system is up and running after base, kernel and bootloader is installed, and it reboots for the first time |
| 23:10.15 | theboneman | heh |
| 23:10.19 | theboneman | this sucks |
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| 23:10.35 | jim | theboneman: you're running debian-3.1? |
| 23:10.36 | nvz | B_Raven: with a netinstall with base, that uaually takes me 30 seconds or so, partitioning and copying libc from the cd is the longest part |
| 23:10.40 | bruce2005 | need help, i just the kernel image 2.6.8 but when i run uname -a it says i have 2.4.27?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:10.41 | theboneman | jim yes |
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| 23:11.04 | nvz | B_Raven: after that you have a running debian system, and can then fetch whatever you want as you go. |
| 23:11.13 | jim | ok, someone said you need contrib sources in your sources.list for java-package |
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| 23:11.16 | B_Raven | nvz: my definition of running is a functioning KDE desktop across both my monitors. And Cedega ready to run WoW if I get bored. |
| 23:11.19 | nvz | B_Raven: I generally start with things like screen, irssi, lsof, less..etc |
| 23:11.23 | steve__ | hey- i just did a #apt-get source package |
| 23:11.30 | steve__ | where is the source? |
| 23:11.35 | theboneman | ah i see now... jim. |
| 23:11.38 | steve__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.52 | Cyberax | how come kde 3.4 and xorg arent in the official debian repositories, is there some sort of rule they use before adding it to etch? |
| 23:11.56 | jim | B_Raven: your definition is very resource-intensive :P |
| 23:12.02 | theboneman | dude |
| 23:12.08 | theboneman | is dpkg retarded ? lol ;\ :p |
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| 23:12.28 | bruce2005 | i installed the kernel image 2.6.8 using apt-get install, i reboot the system but when i run uname -a, it says i have 2.4.27 kernel, any idea why? |
| 23:12.30 | jim | theboneman: so do you have contrib sources? |
| 23:12.30 | B_Raven | jim: indeed, but resources that aren't used are wasted, CPU cycles aren't like cash that you can save up :P |
| 23:12.36 | toonX | im in trouble guys! i tryed to install the ati driver from ati.com , and it seems i fk up X real good! now GL is dead , im suspecting the libGL.so wich ati driver provides is bad! and because i don't have any backup to /usr/X11R6 i dont know how to get back to the old configuration, what must i do? purge xserver-xfree86 and reinstall it? |
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| 23:13.08 | craigevil | #java |
| 23:13.08 | craigevil | deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ unstable non-free |
| 23:13.08 | craigevil | deb ftp://sunsite.dk/mirrors/java-linux/debian/ testing non-free |
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| 23:13.13 | jim | B_Raven: but there -is- depreciation :) |
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| 23:13.42 | jim | those won't work since he's on stable |
| 23:14.11 | CosmoDad | what's the best(TM) way to enable "fast user switching" like WinXP does under Linux? Are there any specific packages available? |
| 23:14.21 | theboneman | no.. |
| 23:14.22 | CosmoDad | s/Linux/Debian/ |
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| 23:14.52 | theboneman | craigevil so i have to add that in |
| 23:14.52 | CosmoDad | I was told there's an KDE-way, but I didn't try and looked for something rather generic |
| 23:14.56 | B_Raven | oh, while I'm around this part of the net. Know where a complete package list for debian sarge is located? Have some packages I'd like to check if are present in sarge. |
| 23:15.09 | jim | theboneman: ok, so you should put contrib sources into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:15.38 | nvz | B_Raven: packages.debian.org is where you look |
| 23:15.45 | B_Raven | thanks :D |
| 23:15.53 | nvz | B_Raven: you can also /msg dpkg info package sarge |
| 23:16.35 | jim | where package is replaced by the actual package name |
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| 23:17.18 | theboneman | jim ok |
| 23:17.35 | theboneman | ok i will add those two sources in there |
| 23:17.37 | nvz | CosmoDad: thats insane, we try not to mimic the bad behaviors of other lesser operating systems |
| 23:17.44 | theboneman | and then apt-get j2se-package or java package |
| 23:17.51 | intension | nvz eheh |
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| 23:18.13 | bigbill52a | my latest debian is hanging during boot |
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| 23:18.18 | intension | CosmoDad you could run another instance of kde i.e. |
| 23:18.20 | jim | theboneman: well, the sources he listed are not what I would suggest... they will not work with your system |
| 23:18.20 | bigbill52a | randomly |
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| 23:18.28 | vinsci | CosmoDad, that's in the default gnome user interface, at least. Find "new login" |
| 23:18.53 | nvz | CosmoDad: there is never a reason to slow a pc down if User A is using the pc and suddenly User B wants to use it.. if they are both going to use it locally, User A simply logs out and frees up the memory and cpu time and lets user B login. its the session managers job to save their open application status |
| 23:19.10 | jim | theboneman: grep "^deb " /etc/apt/sources.list | head -1 |
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| 23:19.41 | jim | will be one line; show that line |
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| 23:19.53 | CosmoDad | nvz: that's a totally unrealistic approach |
| 23:19.57 | nvz | CosmoDad: since two users can not simultaniously use a pc locally in the physical sense, its stupid to leave the other user logged in. |
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| 23:20.27 | CosmoDad | nvz: sometimes, I need to free the desktop for a couple of minutes, and for that the overhead of re-logging would be very high |
| 23:20.31 | nvz | CosmoDad: I could see if it was an XDCMP or VNC machine and all users could use it simultaniously |
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| 23:20.51 | CosmoDad | intension: I do run two X-Servers right now, but it lacks any security mechanisms |
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| 23:20.56 | jim | CosmoDad: unrealistic? that's the often-used approach... workable and hardly unrealistic |
| 23:21.17 | vinsci | CosmoDad, so just fire up xnest and you're done |
| 23:21.17 | nvz | its so hard to logout and click on another user |
| 23:21.18 | CosmoDad | vinsci: that'd be part of the Gnome desktop I guess? |
| 23:21.20 | jim | CosmoDad: two on the same box? |
| 23:21.29 | bluefox83 | how do i load the qce-usb-modules once they've been turned into a .deb and installed? |
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| 23:21.40 | theboneman | um |
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| 23:22.03 | theboneman | deb http://debian.2z.net/debian/ stable main |
| 23:22.09 | samuel_ | What is the command to configure the default desktop session in debian? |
| 23:22.09 | intension | CosmoDad what makes you think that ? every user has its own home dir and his/her own files on the disk |
| 23:22.23 | jim | theboneman: make that read: |
| 23:22.25 | nvz | If my child needed to use the pc and couldnt handle waiting for me to logout and then logging themselves in, I would beat them with a unix manual and then send them to their room to read the posix standards |
| 23:22.28 | vinsci | CosmoDad, the gnome desktop just has a call to xnest, IIRC |
| 23:22.32 | jim | deb http://debian.2z.net/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 23:22.45 | Nigel | where is the default log place for ldap? |
| 23:22.49 | CosmoDad | jim, vinsci: sometimes my girlfriend and I "switch" the machine 5 to 10 times a day, for checking important email or something. That's what user switching is good for |
| 23:22.49 | vinsci | CosmoDad, ie, a menu entry that calsl xnest |
| 23:22.59 | Skyblaze | samiam, update-alternatives --config /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 23:22.59 | shingouz | nvz: what is your first name? simon? ;) |
| 23:23.05 | jim | edit the file, add contrib, save. |
| 23:23.23 | CosmoDad | ... to me |
| 23:23.27 | intension | CosmoDad you can also lock your session |
| 23:23.41 | jim | CosmoDad: you -could- put another machine on your internal net |
| 23:23.45 | theboneman | ty jim let me try |
| 23:24.03 | CosmoDad | intension: yeah but I'd need to integrate that into the "Ctrl-Alt-F7" process somehow which I guess is possible but I'd first need to look it up |
| 23:24.03 | jim | theboneman: just do that much and let us know when complete. |
| 23:24.06 | vinsci | CosmoDad, yup, but you'll find that even with "fast" switching, the switch rarely takes place. Mail can be checked on a web browser anyway for the occasional mails |
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| 23:24.42 | CosmoDad | vinsci: my girl uses different browser and/or email styles than I do, that's not what I call comfort |
| 23:24.49 | bigbill52a | has anyone had any problems with the boot hanging randomly |
| 23:25.00 | intension | CosmoDad first lock your session and then press ctrl-alt-f7 ... |
| 23:25.06 | jim | CosmoDad: so she should definitely have her own box |
| 23:25.09 | Yea`baby` | how can I have my own name servers on my server? |
| 23:25.10 | CosmoDad | jim: that would collide with the woman acceptance factor I'm afraid |
| 23:25.22 | masoft | what Kernel Headers I must install until I compile my kernel by myself ? |
| 23:25.24 | nvz | wow that was hard |
| 23:25.34 | nvz | and I even had to start a terminal and reattach my screen |
| 23:25.40 | paulswm | !prize nvz |
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| 23:25.42 | jim | get her a laptop... |
| 23:25.48 | Azar | jim :) |
| 23:25.49 | jim | and set up a wireless net |
| 23:25.52 | theboneman | jim finally! |
| 23:25.57 | theboneman | jim it works.. |
| 23:25.59 | theboneman | Azar ?? |
| 23:26.11 | Azar | theboneman? |
| 23:26.15 | theboneman | from CA? |
| 23:26.16 | CosmoDad | jesus if I had the money for all of that I wouldn't ask :) PCs are great for multiplexing... |
| 23:26.20 | vinsci | CosmoDad, well... sudo to her account, start browser there... |
| 23:26.24 | jim | theboneman: so you now have java-package? |
| 23:26.26 | Azar | depends which CA |
| 23:26.33 | Azar | the org or the state? |
| 23:26.42 | jim | CArolina? |
| 23:26.43 | theboneman | yes jim |
| 23:26.44 | vinsci | CosmoDad, or ssh -X -l her |
| 23:26.51 | theboneman | Setting up java-package (0.24) ... |
| 23:27.00 | CosmoDad | vinsci: that might all be possible but not comfortable, especially not to my girl |
| 23:27.03 | jim | CAbo san lucas? |
| 23:27.03 | nvz | tell her to get the fuck out, you are going to the debconf to find a real woman |
| 23:27.07 | Azar | :) |
| 23:27.14 | theboneman | Cyberarmy |
| 23:27.21 | theboneman | CyberArmy :p |
| 23:27.21 | nvz | muwhahaha |
| 23:27.23 | Azar | yes |
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| 23:27.27 | theboneman | oh.. |
| 23:27.28 | theboneman | rofl |
| 23:27.29 | Yea`baby` | QuestioN:> how can I have my own name servers on my server? |
| 23:27.29 | nvz | can anyone tell why I am single? |
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| 23:27.33 | paulswm | Well the state would be CAlifornia actually |
| 23:27.37 | theboneman | member u hate me |
| 23:27.40 | theboneman | :p |
| 23:27.47 | Azar | paulswm that true too |
| 23:27.49 | vinsci | CosmoDad, well, we all know you'll not be giving up on Debian, so I guess either tell her about the debian benefits or find a new girl ;-) |
| 23:28.01 | jim | theboneman: oh that all changes daily |
| 23:28.14 | theboneman | ? |
| 23:28.17 | nvz | seriously.. there are girls out there with debian tatoos even.. |
| 23:28.24 | paulswm | !geographysmite jim |
| 23:28.26 | paulswm | :P |
| 23:28.26 | jim | and debian panties |
| 23:28.28 | intension | lol |
| 23:28.28 | CosmoDad | vinsci: is that what *you* call "fast user switching" ? :) |
| 23:28.29 | nvz | you can find another woman thats for sure |
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| 23:28.32 | Yea`baby` | Can someone seriously stop discussing girls and answer my question, please? |
| 23:28.37 | Azar | jim you think you can give me a review on my stuff? |
| 23:28.41 | masoft | Do I need Kernel headers after compile the kernel ? |
| 23:28.43 | nvz | a good operating system on the other hand is one of a kind |
| 23:28.44 | thingfish | the debian swirl would make a nice earring. |
| 23:28.54 | jim | Azar: not at this moment |
| 23:29.00 | Yea`baby` | QuestioN:> how can I have my own name servers on my server? |
| 23:29.00 | vinsci | nvz, heh :) wifey hasn't got that far yet, but she definitely does not want to work on a windows machine anymore |
| 23:29.03 | pipeline | masoft: If you're asking that question, you need to carefully consider why you're compiling a kernel. |
| 23:29.04 | nvz | I never seen debian panties, but I have seen the tatoo |
| 23:29.13 | thingfish | hehe debian panties. |
| 23:29.22 | CosmoDad | there's a definite correspondance between geeky girls and attractability, and it's not proportional... |
| 23:29.22 | joel_ | thats sick damnit |
| 23:29.30 | intension | Yea`baby` install bind9 to get a nameserver first |
| 23:29.39 | jim | theboneman: so now, cd /usr/share/doc/java-package |
| 23:29.41 | paulswm | debian panties are made from composite materials, as they have to last three years |
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| 23:29.43 | masoft | pipeline, it was not my answer :P |
| 23:29.52 | Yea`baby` | k |
| 23:29.55 | K_Dallas | ;) @ paulswm |
| 23:30.02 | pipeline | masoft: Well, why are you compiling a kernel ? perhaps you can avoid it. |
| 23:30.21 | nvz | paulswm: I sure hope they come in packs and are updated often |
| 23:30.25 | Yea`baby` | intension: Done, installed. |
| 23:30.36 | masoft | pipeline, I changed somethings in kernel, also I added a bootsplash |
| 23:30.43 | CosmoDad | Yea`baby`: maybe something like dnsmasq suffices your needs |
| 23:30.57 | Yea`baby` | CosmoDad: I just installed bind9 :\ |
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| 23:31.00 | jim | theboneman: and look around in there |
| 23:31.01 | pipeline | masoft: So you're doing it for fun. That's unwise. Install a stock kernel. |
| 23:31.03 | paulswm | nvz: No they go stable and get only security patches :) |
| 23:31.13 | shingouz | masoft: no-one *needs* a bootsplash |
| 23:31.21 | masoft | shingouz, I need :D |
| 23:31.28 | nvz | I am already to picky, I cant start limiting myself to debian women.. though I am sure it would be nice |
| 23:31.37 | Yea`baby` | intension |
| 23:31.39 | Yea`baby` | ? |
| 23:31.52 | shingouz | masoft: no you don't |
| 23:32.01 | nvz | paulswm: eww, somehow I dont think applying debian policy to a girls panties is a good idea |
| 23:32.23 | masoft | shingouz, I know what I need ! you can't say what I need until you don't know me ... |
| 23:32.26 | vinsci | hm, still wondering what up with my sid here. Nobody else affected by lockups with X on recent upgrade? |
| 23:32.39 | CosmoDad | Yea`baby`: dnsmasq is easy to setup dns proxy for small LANs, but maybe you need the power of bind, depends on your needs |
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| 23:33.05 | shingouz | masoft: ok, i'll go off troll-mode |
| 23:33.09 | Yea`baby` | CosmoDad: I just need something that would create Name servers. Not into power etc. |
| 23:33.13 | paulswm | !irritate shingouz |
| 23:33.13 | jim | hmm, under debian policy, the panties would have to have four sections... main, contrib, non-free, non-us |
| 23:33.14 | dpkg | shingouz: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome lol |
| 23:33.38 | paulswm | jim: no more non-us :) |
| 23:33.41 | nvz | non-us is non-existant |
| 23:33.58 | Azar | so it is true, nvz? non-us was killed? |
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| 23:34.13 | nvz | Azar: read the /topic much? |
| 23:34.20 | paulswm | Heh |
| 23:34.21 | jim | paulswm: only three sections... good, that's going to be easier to access |
| 23:34.25 | Azar | nvz did not, |
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| 23:35.11 | masoft | I think compiling kernel will make the kernel-headers, too. so I don't need to install kernel-headers packages. is that right ? (it's answer is one word !) |
| 23:35.25 | shingouz | Azar: you can get the topic with /topic :) |
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| 23:35.41 | astronut | masoft: yes and no..you have a seperate target for make-kpkg that makes a 2nd package that's kernel-headers |
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| 23:35.43 | Azar | oh thanks shingouz |
| 23:35.45 | jim | masoft: you can pick which of the four packages it will make |
| 23:35.53 | Azar | why they killed it? |
| 23:36.01 | shingouz | Azar: it was not needed anymore |
| 23:36.08 | jim | masoft: make-kpkg --targets |
| 23:36.08 | Azar | oh I see.. thanks |
| 23:36.16 | Pluton2 | where I can find ppc help? |
| 23:36.22 | paulswm | I'm gone, you all stay safe and try not to beat the crap out of each other :) |
| 23:36.23 | shingouz | basically the non-us got merged with the rest of the stuff |
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| 23:36.31 | IRCHelljumper | where can i find what software comes with debian |
| 23:36.34 | shingouz | Pluton2: on debian? #debian-ppc |
| 23:36.35 | nvz | buildpackage is the make-kpkg --targets' mamma |
| 23:36.45 | jim | IRCHelljumper: packages.debian.orgh |
| 23:36.47 | jim | IRCHelljumper: packages.debian.org |
| 23:36.48 | bernouli | which package can convert wav to mp3? |
| 23:36.48 | shingouz | !tell IRCHelljumper about search |
| 23:37.13 | Pluton2 | shingous: Yes ubuntu or debian. |
| 23:37.18 | nvz | bernouli: audacity could do it, but you will need the lame codec |
| 23:37.22 | CosmoDad | Yea`baby`: do apt-cache show dnsmasq and see for yourself... |
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| 23:37.29 | shingouz | Pluton2: if you run ubuntu you need to ask on some #ubuntu |
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| 23:37.45 | nvz | bernouli: I just make ogg instead, its easier and I dont need non-free shit |
| 23:37.51 | mikaEL` | can I erase the deb pakages in /var/cache/apt after upgrading with apt-get?? |
| 23:37.53 | Yea`baby` | CosmoDad: i got dnsmasq installed. But now it says "dnsmasq: failed to bind listening socket: Address already in use |
| 23:37.54 | masoft | jim, astronut, thx |
| 23:37.54 | jim | Pluton2: ubuntu, we don't know... debian, #debian-ppc or better, the debian-ppc mailing list |
| 23:37.54 | Pluton2 | thanks, |
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| 23:38.14 | nvz | mikaEL`: you cant "erase" anything outside ~/ |
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| 23:38.22 | nvz | mikaEL`: there are commands to do that if you need to |
| 23:38.25 | jim | mikaEL`: man apt-get, look for "clean" |
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| 23:38.42 | intension | Yea`baby` probab;y you should uninstall bind9 too |
| 23:39.07 | Yea`baby` | intension: thats un-installed. The service got stopped while un-installing it |
| 23:39.35 | mikaEL` | jim: thanx .. |
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| 23:40.19 | masoft | astronut, I don't use make-kpkg ! I try the normal Linux way for compiling kernel. (make menuconfig&&make dep&&make&& ...) I think it will make the headers, right ? |
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| 23:40.32 | sciboy | Hiya, i was wondering how i can check whether my laptop has AGP, and how to enable it? |
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| 23:40.41 | shingouz | masoft: plese use make-kpkg and oyu will have a lot less problems |
| 23:40.43 | nvz | masoft: blasphemy! |
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| 23:40.47 | cddesjar | you just use make and make modules_install with 2.6 |
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| 23:40.57 | dampjam | What is the next version after sarge? |
| 23:41.00 | sciboy | I am using a Geforce 4 460 Go |
| 23:41.06 | sciboy | Unstable / SID |
| 23:41.09 | shingouz | cddesjar: /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:41.12 | bucky | dampjam, etch |
| 23:41.16 | dampjam | bucky: thanks |
| 23:41.19 | jim | retch bletch... it's etch a sketch |
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| 23:41.28 | dampjam | jim: hahaha |
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| 23:41.31 | astronut | masoft: unpacking the sources makes the header in that case ;-) |
| 23:41.32 | nvz | masoft: make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot --config=menuconfig kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 23:41.40 | shingouz | sciboy: you run sid? and you ask how to check what hardware you have? /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:41.49 | jim | wasnt' THAT a stretch... |
| 23:41.52 | sciboy | shingouz: Of course i run SID |
| 23:41.53 | Yea`baby` | intension :\ |
| 23:42.04 | astronut | nvz: you use make-kpkg for config? |
| 23:42.06 | drac | sciboy: Of course? |
| 23:42.10 | shingouz | sciboy: besides Sid is a name like James or Robert, it is not an acronym |
| 23:42.11 | intension | Yea`baby` well it should be configured according to your needs |
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| 23:42.18 | cddesjar | what do i type to make a kernel with debian? |
| 23:42.20 | jim | astronut: I usually config first |
| 23:42.23 | astronut | i usually do make oldconfig && make menuconfig && make-kpkg -rev Custom.x kernel-image |
| 23:42.23 | nvz | astronut: of course, why the hell would you still use make, and use make-kpkg? |
| 23:42.32 | drac | shingouz: Mr. Still in Development ? :) |
| 23:42.36 | shingouz | cddesjar: you don't, you install a debian kernel off the repositories |
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| 23:42.45 | shingouz | !clue drac |
| 23:42.45 | Yea`baby` | well yeah |
| 23:42.48 | Yea`baby` | anyways |
| 23:42.48 | sciboy | shingouz: That url was not much help |
| 23:42.49 | Yea`baby` | im out |
| 23:42.50 | Yea`baby` | sleep |
| 23:42.50 | cddesjar | to comply with ACPI support |
| 23:42.50 | Yea`baby` | bye |
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| 23:42.55 | CosmoDad | so how'd I make the Ctrl-Alt-Fx combination for switching virtual consoles do something additional, i.e. calling xscreensaver, a bash-script, etc. ? |
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| 23:43.01 | nvz | astronut: personally I do make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot buildpackage |
| 23:43.02 | cddesjar | used apt-get to get 2.6.8 |
| 23:43.03 | alvanson | any reason to switch from lilo -> grub? |
| 23:43.04 | shingouz | sciboy: read it |
| 23:43.11 | cddesjar | and it didn't have ACPI support installed |
| 23:43.14 | shingouz | sciboy: read and weep, man |
| 23:43.16 | masoft | astronut, you just answered me correctly and didn't say Just use make-kpkg :P thx friend ;) |
| 23:43.18 | sciboy | *yawn* |
| 23:43.21 | jim | alvanson: if lilo works, probably not |
| 23:43.28 | nvz | astronut: takes care of clean, config, kernel image, modules, source, headers, and documentation |
| 23:43.34 | alvanson | what about linux 2.4->2.6? |
| 23:43.43 | nvz | astronut: and I dont even have to become root |
| 23:43.48 | jim | alvanson: got new hardware to support? |
| 23:44.01 | alvanson | jim: no, but I heard it was a bit faster |
| 23:44.06 | astronut | buildpackage? |
| 23:44.08 | jim | could be |
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| 23:44.15 | jim | so that would be a reason |
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| 23:44.25 | alvanson | okay |
| 23:44.25 | masoft | alvanson, just compile the 2.6.8 kernel. there is no problem |
| 23:44.26 | cddesjar | i can't seem to configure my kernel correctly under debian anyways |
| 23:44.28 | clasdfr | hi |
| 23:44.30 | clasdfr | need help |
| 23:44.40 | clasdfr | when i boot the latest kernel i've installes |
| 23:44.41 | cddesjar | when i do make-kpkg it fails |
| 23:44.52 | clasdfr | i get "no syncing. attemp to kill init" :S |
| 23:44.52 | nvz | astronut: buildpackage implies the clean and binary targets, binary target implies kernel_headers kernel_image kernel_source and kernel_doc targets |
| 23:44.55 | jim | cddesjar: why? |
| 23:45.03 | shingouz | cddesjar: tell us a bit more about the errors and we migh be able to help |
| 23:45.03 | jfil | hi, anybody could tell me when will be xfce4.2 up on debian unstable? it's a long time waiting for that |
| 23:45.05 | cddesjar | something about /arch/i386 |
| 23:45.21 | shingouz | !tinfoil cddesjar |
| 23:45.22 | dpkg | cddesjar: If you really are going to be that vague, you should take off your tinfoil hat so that we could read your mind. |
| 23:45.25 | nvz | astronut: thats what kernel-package was made for, to be the all-in-one-liner kernel utility, it cleans, patches, configures, builds, and packages.. all without ever needing root privlages |
| 23:45.28 | cddesjar | give me a few minutes and i'll try to reconfigure it |
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| 23:45.49 | cddesjar | i am not trying to be that vague...hold on and i'll paste it on pastebin |
| 23:45.54 | jim | cddesjar: I would do the following... |
| 23:45.54 | clasdfr | can someone tell me how to fix it? |
| 23:45.54 | shingouz | clasdfr: and this happened after you compiled a custom kernel on your fresh Sid install? |
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| 23:46.14 | clasdfr | shingouz: I was just updating the kernel on my Sarge |
| 23:46.20 | cddesjar | i managed to recompile it and install it once |
| 23:46.26 | cddesjar | then when i went to boot into that kernel |
| 23:46.30 | cddesjar | i had a kernel panic |
| 23:46.30 | shingouz | clasdfr: and you took the kernel from where |
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| 23:46.34 | clasdfr | shingouz: somehow, the default kernel was 2.4.27, and i wanted a newer one |
| 23:46.38 | shingouz | cddesjar: lose the enter |
| 23:46.42 | jim | cddesjar: [1] back up (kernelsourcedir)/.config OUTSIDE that dir... copy it so you can see it, so no . in front of the name |
| 23:46.44 | clasdfr | shingouz: apt |
| 23:46.55 | jim | cddesjar: [2] make mrproper |
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| 23:47.02 | shingouz | clasdfr: can you be a bit more vague? |
| 23:47.10 | cddesjar | jim: can you invite me to a private chat and do that |
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| 23:47.15 | clasdfr | shingouz: what do you mean? |
| 23:47.29 | jim | no, because I don't have time to help privately |
| 23:47.34 | cddesjar | ok |
| 23:47.45 | shingouz | clasdfr: i mean i am not a mind reader. what did you use, what happened, where did you get the kernel from, such stuff... |
| 23:47.48 | jim | anyways, |
| 23:47.49 | fwest | is there an operating system limit to the number of tcp connections it can take? |
| 23:48.04 | theboneman | hey |
| 23:48.10 | theboneman | where would i get libqt-mt |
| 23:48.12 | Skyblaze | when will the developers fix all the packages for gnome 2.10? |
| 23:48.21 | shingouz | !tell theboneman about search |
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| 23:48.29 | Skyblaze | now there is a problem with nautilus |
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| 23:48.32 | jim | cddesjar: [3] copy the file you backed up before into (kernelsourcedir)/.config |
| 23:48.44 | theboneman | !search |
| 23:48.44 | dpkg | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 23:48.45 | nvz | damn that shirt smelled real good when I put it on 2hrs ago, a little rain and sweat later, and it smells aweful. |
| 23:48.48 | shingouz | Skyblaze: when they are ready with them you do not need to run Sid in anycase |
| 23:48.52 | theboneman | er |
| 23:48.53 | fusion | I hear there were bugs with the new stable installers, is the bug still there with apt for a stable netinstall? (I am assuming stable is "sarge" ?) |
| 23:49.14 | loocek | hi! during install netcat i get an error: "...reading database...dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/netcat_1.10-27_i386.deb (--unpack): files list file for package `gstreamer0.8-vorbis' is missing final newline.." what should I do ?? |
| 23:49.19 | shingouz | theboneman: apt-cache serach foo in the console ffs |
| 23:49.21 | tvn | anyone successfully compile mpich with intel 8.1 compiler on x86 arch ? |
| 23:49.22 | jim | cddesjar: [4] make oldconfig (and answer any questions it doesn't yet know the answer to) |
| 23:49.26 | clasdfr | shingouz: ok, let me tell you, i installed sarge, but the kernel it came with was quite old, I apt for a newer one (just kernel-image package) and when i try to boot from that new one, i get that message: "no syncing. attemp to kill init" |
| 23:49.29 | masoft | clasdfr, it's not important. shingouz is here most of the times but can't not to speak even don't when can't help |
| 23:49.36 | Skyblaze | shingouz, well sincerely i've never had a problem of stability with sid |
| 23:49.50 | shingouz | !tell Skyblaze about sid faq |
| 23:49.54 | shingouz | read and weep, man |
| 23:49.57 | masoft | Skyblaze, do you use SID ? |
| 23:49.58 | CosmoDad | fwest: if so, you'll probably find it in /proc/sys/net/ipv{4,6}tcp_* |
| 23:50.04 | loocek | ?? |
| 23:50.06 | clasdfr | masoft, maybe you know my problem |
| 23:50.08 | Skyblaze | masoft, yes always |
| 23:50.08 | shingouz | clasdfr: which kernel di dyou get? |
| 23:50.13 | bucky | Skyblaze, how long did you run it... four weeks/ |
| 23:50.23 | clasdfr | shingouz: 2.6.11 |
| 23:50.28 | masoft | Skyblaze, what Desktop environment do you use ? Gnome ? |
| 23:50.32 | Skyblaze | bucky, a year |
| 23:50.37 | jim | cddesjar: [5] (optional) configure the kernel using your choice of tools, make menuconfig or make xconfig or whichever |
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| 23:50.44 | Skyblaze | masoft, often yes |
| 23:50.47 | shingouz | clasdfr: did you also grab module-init-tools? |
| 23:50.54 | theboneman | skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:50.55 | bucky | Skyblaze, they didn't change it much during the big push to get sarge out the door |
| 23:50.58 | clasdfr | shingouz: noooope :$ |
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| 23:51.07 | jim | cddesjar: the whole rest of the process is one command: make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 23:51.08 | masoft | clasdfr, I know the compiling but in the General Linux Way, didn't try with make-kpkg |
| 23:51.14 | bucky | Skyblaze, Sid always breaks X.. all the time |
| 23:51.20 | shingouz | clasdfr: ok, boot into the old kernel and install the module-init-tools, they are needed with a 2.6 |
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| 23:51.42 | CosmoDad | fwest: besides, you shouldn't be able to use more than 2^16 = 64k connections since two bytes are used to differentiate port numbers |
| 23:51.51 | clasdfr | shingouz: just didi it, and i get told i already have it on its latest version |
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| 23:51.54 | zumbi | bucky, i have no broken X with sid, anytime |
| 23:52.01 | masoft | Skyblaze, didn't have any problem with gnome yet ? does it work correctly ? I want to switch from sarge |
| 23:52.09 | shingouz | clasdfr: that it odd then |
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| 23:52.21 | jim | zumbi: just you wait until xorg starts coming in :P |
| 23:52.23 | clasdfr | masoft: no prob, shingouz is solving it ;) |
| 23:52.33 | clasdfr | shingouz: no idea then? i just want to update my kernel :S |
| 23:52.33 | zumbi | !xorg |
| 23:52.33 | dpkg | from memory, xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 23:52.38 | nvz | you do realize testing and unstable is there for the people who squash bugs, not for kiddies who need bleeding edge.. thats what gentoo is for |
| 23:52.39 | bucky | zumbi, I have and a lot of other things and incomplete configuration files... but that's just been my experience with it |
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| 23:52.50 | shingouz | clasdfr: i am a bit out of my depth now to tell you the truth.. init killed the console |
| 23:52.53 | shingouz | hmm |
| 23:53.00 | theboneman | lmfao nvz |
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| 23:53.03 | shingouz | clasdfr: sec, lemme check something |
| 23:53.22 | fwest | CosmoDad, is there a way to see whats currently being used? |
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| 23:53.47 | Azar | theboneman, just out of curiosity , are you using debian? |
| 23:53.47 | jim | zumbi: would have been better for the channel if you /msg dpkg xorg |
| 23:53.59 | theboneman | Azar yeap |
| 23:54.11 | nvz | you should have to take a test on debian knowlage before you can fetch anything but stable packages |
| 23:54.13 | Azar | thanks |
| 23:54.21 | JVaughn | if i have a directory that even root can't delete, and it is mounted rw, any ideas? (I know this sounds stupid) |
| 23:54.28 | theboneman | Azar: np, btw.. how are you ? |
| 23:54.33 | jim | test schmest... let them do what they want :P |
| 23:54.35 | CosmoDad | fwest: there's /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max which tells the maximum number of IP connections |
| 23:54.43 | toonX | can i download full cd iso images of the newly released sarge ? |
| 23:54.48 | Azar | I am ok thanks |
| 23:54.52 | theboneman | :] |
| 23:54.53 | zumbi | sorry jim |
| 23:55.01 | thomasb | hi, wonder if anyone has experienced this bug : upgrade to sid and build of new kernel 2.6.11 resulted in text mode cursor disappearing from tty2-tty6. It works perfectly on tty1 though |
| 23:55.01 | theboneman | sorry for the mis understanding before... |
| 23:55.04 | jim | toonX: yes... but you don't need them |
| 23:55.05 | CosmoDad | fwest: don't know if there's a file describing the layer-4 connections, however |
| 23:55.12 | masoft | toonX, yes, why not ?! |
| 23:55.13 | nvz | I dont like it when they end up here whining for fixes to shit they didnt help create and shouldnt have used in the first place |
| 23:55.19 | toonX | jim net install? |
| 23:55.23 | fwest | CosmoDad, can i change that max? |
| 23:55.32 | jim | toonX: yeah, why not? |
| 23:55.41 | toonX | jim cool |
| 23:55.46 | CosmoDad | fwest, for sure, just echo <newvalue> > <that path I gave you above> |
| 23:56.12 | CosmoDad | fwest, just remember that the value well be set to default after you reboot, so if you want to set it permanently include it in a boot-script or somewhere |
| 23:56.13 | fwest | CosmoDad, thanks, i thought i might be able to up it |
| 23:56.28 | bucky | thomasb, which version of debian are you running? |
| 23:56.40 | fwest | CosmoDad, just like echo 1 > for forwarding |
| 23:56.41 | CosmoDad | fwest, yes that helps if you use certain software, like p2p |
| 23:56.42 | jim | if you have a nice fat wide fast internet connection, and the installer knows how to use it, should be easy |
| 23:56.49 | nvz | this is about team work, and we got the proud few working every spot on the field while others shout plays from the sidelines |
| 23:56.50 | mikaEL` | is there a DC++ client for debian ?? |
| 23:56.53 | CosmoDad | fwest, exactly |
| 23:56.54 | thomasb | bucky : typo, sorry I ment upgrade to sarge. I am using debian sarge |
| 23:57.04 | shingouz | clasdfr: when you installed the new kernel, did you do what the installer told you to do with regards to the lilo.conf/grub.conf ? |
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| 23:57.20 | masoft | mikaEL`, I didn't find ... if you find, tell me too |
| 23:57.22 | bucky | thomasb, you prolly didn't build the pointer device driver into the kernel |
| 23:57.23 | CosmoDad | fwest, but with ip_conntrack_max it's no boolean value but the actual number of allowed connections, but you figured that out |
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| 23:57.34 | clasdfr | shingouz: didn't realise it told me something :S |
| 23:57.40 | clasdfr | shingouz: i'll take a look then |
| 23:57.46 | fwest | CosmoDad, thanks ;) |
| 23:57.49 | mikaEL` | masoft: :(( ... |
| 23:57.50 | masoft | mikaEL`, the best p2p that I found was gift that supports lot of things ... |
| 23:57.52 | shingouz | clasdfr: what is the bootloader you have? |
| 23:57.59 | shingouz | grub? |
| 23:58.01 | cddesjar | ok jim..i did what you told me but i got the same error...i am going to paste it hold on |
| 23:58.03 | clasdfr | yes :D |
| 23:58.16 | black13 | during boot up when does the TERM variable get set |
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| 23:58.34 | jim | cddesjar: what kernel version? |
| 23:58.37 | shingouz | clasdfr: i do not have grub on anything here :( |
| 23:58.38 | CosmoDad | fwest, you're welcome |
| 23:58.49 | clasdfr | shingouz: no prob, i'll take a look |
| 23:58.58 | thomasb | bucky: do you know what the config option name is . I do have CONFIG_VT=y, CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y, and CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE=y and text mode cursor works on tty1. |
| 23:59.00 | jim | rcas: and it's writing to the drive without problem? |
| 23:59.07 | shingouz | clasdfr: remove --purge the new kernel and do a reinstall on it, this time check what the instller tells you |
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| 23:59.18 | shingouz | clasdfr: i have a feeling that you missed something |
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| 23:59.22 | cddesjar | 2.6.8 |
| 23:59.25 | saudilinux | hello |
| 23:59.34 | shingouz | !wb saudilinux |
| 23:59.34 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! saudilinux has returned! |
| 23:59.37 | intension | black try this grep -nr "TERM" /etc/* , it will browse for TERM in your config and boot files |
| 23:59.41 | toonX | oh and i forgot , is there any release from debian for amd64 ? and how can i install it if there is ? |
| 23:59.46 | rcas | jim: yes, but had to use Kernel 2.6 on loader |
| 23:59.49 | clasdfr | shingouz: i'll do that, thanks a lot |
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| 23:59.53 | saudilinux | how can i install kde3.4 on my desktop |
| 23:59.53 | masoft | saudilinux, hi ! but it's not usual here to say hi ;) |
