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| 00:00.03 | shingouz | clasdfr: get a bucket of tylenol too ;) |
| 00:00.05 | clasdfr | shingouz: by the way, do i need to install the kernel headers?? |
| 00:00.11 | jim | rcas: was .8 ok? or did you need later? |
| 00:00.13 | masoft | saudilinux, just try apt-get install kdebase |
| 00:00.26 | shingouz | clasdfr: no need unless you are going to compile it yourself (which is not recommended) |
| 00:00.36 | rcas | jim: using default, 2.6.8 I presume |
| 00:00.55 | masoft | saudilinux, did you Install X ? |
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| 00:01.00 | clasdfr | shingouz: thanks a lot then, i'll reinstall it and see |
| 00:01.01 | clasdfr | oh |
| 00:01.04 | clasdfr | by the wat |
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| 00:01.12 | clasdfr | oh |
| 00:01.13 | shingouz | !kde 3.4 |
| 00:01.13 | dpkg | from memory, kde 3.4 is not packaged yet |
| 00:01.14 | clasdfr | nothing |
| 00:01.19 | clasdfr | thanks a lot shingouz |
| 00:01.21 | clasdfr | ;) |
| 00:01.24 | jim | rcas: ok, just curious... there have been more than a few sata users that had to be turned away from debian because the installer didn't support their controller |
| 00:01.28 | shingouz | saudilinux: /msg dpkg kde 3.4 |
| 00:01.51 | masoft | saudilinux, oops, kde 3.4 is not available :D |
| 00:02.01 | darthgnu | Milos_85: please do not send PMs to random people |
| 00:02.06 | cddesjar | http://paste.lisp.org/display/9023 |
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| 00:02.12 | cddesjar | that's the error |
| 00:02.16 | cddesjar | at the botttom of course |
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| 00:02.23 | black13 | is /etc/init.d/rcS the begining bootscript correct |
| 00:02.35 | clasdfr | shingouz: do you recommend me having 'linux-kernel-headers' package if i'm not gonna compile the kernel by myself? |
| 00:02.46 | rcas | jim: hum, let me see |
| 00:03.05 | rcas | jim: once I boot up to Gnome, then I will say something |
| 00:03.10 | shingouz | clasdfr: unless you are going to screw with the kernel yourself, or rather compile some modules against the headers you do not need the headers at all |
| 00:03.39 | clasdfr | shingouz: thanks a lot |
| 00:03.41 | clasdfr | by the way |
| 00:03.43 | jim | rcas: looks like you don't have that problem at all, if you're installing or even succeeded in partitioning the drive |
| 00:03.46 | clasdfr | need help with ATI Drivers |
| 00:03.51 | shingouz | hehe |
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| 00:04.02 | rcas | jim: I did |
| 00:04.04 | shingouz | when it comes to ATI drivers i will hide somewhre |
| 00:04.25 | rcas | shingouz: don't say that |
| 00:04.31 | clasdfr | shingouz: ok, but first better to fix the kernel thing and then go for the drivers, thanks a lot! ;) |
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| 00:04.33 | jim | but not under 2.6.8 tho |
| 00:04.35 | Bac9 | what do I have to install on the remote host to get DISPLAY variable to apear on the remote host? both ssh and sshd are set up to forweard X11 |
| 00:04.37 | bigbill52a | can help you clasfdr |
| 00:04.37 | rcas | shingouz: the latest ones aren't that bad |
| 00:05.01 | jim | Bac9: needs xauth program, in xbase-clients |
| 00:05.02 | rcas | jim: that's probably their problem |
| 00:05.04 | caphuso | Bac9: xbase-clients |
| 00:05.16 | cddesjar | real_stamp_image and kernel-image-deb errors |
| 00:05.21 | bigbill52a | ati driver...i can help.. |
| 00:05.24 | shingouz | rcas: i do not have anything to test them on, that is why i like to shut up when they are mentioned. kinda hard to know how to work with somethign when you do not have it |
| 00:05.25 | mikaEL` | how can I stop DHCP at boot and set my static IP's ?? |
| 00:05.26 | Bac9 | jim, caphuso thanx |
| 00:05.32 | rcas | jim: it is there by default, just do linux26 on installer command line and it runs fine |
| 00:05.49 | rcas | shingouz: ;) got it |
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| 00:06.07 | jim | rcas: right... but some controllers need 2.6.11 or thereabouts |
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| 00:06.22 | rcas | jim: not mine, I presume |
| 00:06.34 | bigbill52a | ati drivers are fun... |
| 00:06.37 | jim | so it would seem |
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| 00:06.50 | shingouz | bigbill52a: matrox is a lot more fun. it jsut works |
| 00:06.58 | rcas | jim: my board isn't top of the line, it has one year of existance |
| 00:07.03 | Azar | wow commodore emulator? wow |
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| 00:07.07 | bigbill52a | mine work also.. |
| 00:07.18 | jasoncohen | shingouz, heh, not for dual-display. I spent all day trying to get dual display working with a matrix 450 |
| 00:07.22 | jasoncohen | *matrox |
| 00:07.26 | jim | rcas: maybe the year-old-ness is what saved you |
| 00:07.36 | rcas | jim: I guess ;) |
| 00:07.49 | ScatterBrain | Anyone know how to disable GDM requiring a root's password for shutdowns? |
| 00:08.06 | jim | they had all that time to (1) get ahold of the chipset, (2) write a driver and (3) get it into the kernel |
| 00:08.19 | jasoncohen | i used the mgapdesk program and found a sample XF86Config-4 file for matrox but as soon as I added Screen 1 to the second device and restarted X i lost keyboard input and both monitors showed no input |
| 00:08.20 | rcas | jim: it shouldn't be that hard to pre-compile a new 2.6.11 kernel into the installer |
| 00:08.23 | jasoncohen | haven't found a fix |
| 00:08.27 | bigbill52a | occasional popping noises is a sign of what...? |
| 00:08.36 | rcas | jim: and install from there on |
| 00:08.37 | jim | rcas: you don't even need to compile it... |
| 00:08.49 | jim | there is a 2.6.11 in sid |
| 00:08.55 | thingfish | bigbill52a: popping noises from where/what? |
| 00:08.55 | jim | or etch? |
| 00:08.58 | jim | somewhere |
| 00:09.00 | jasoncohen | and etch |
| 00:09.12 | jasoncohen | 2.6.11 went into etch a few days ago |
| 00:09.14 | rcas | jim: better then |
| 00:09.21 | masoft | mikaEL`, I use network-admin. but tell me if you found out the manual way ;) |
| 00:09.22 | intension | bigbill52a pocorn |
| 00:09.30 | bigbill52a | playing music and not in the original recordings...something in debian...i guess |
| 00:09.34 | rcas | is gnome 2.10 in sid usable now ? |
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| 00:09.43 | resiak | ScatterBrain: Yes. |
| 00:09.44 | rcas | it was broken a few days ago |
| 00:09.45 | bigbill52a | same songs play fine in ubuntu |
| 00:09.45 | jim | anyways there's a program that takes a kernel-image package apart and spits out udebs |
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| 00:09.51 | jasoncohen | rcas, not all of it. the main gnome package is still 2.8 in sid |
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| 00:10.06 | bigbill52a | irritating |
| 00:10.09 | binaryc | any idea when gnome will be completely in sid ? |
| 00:10.19 | resiak | binaryc: When it's ready? |
| 00:10.24 | rcas | Damn, this SATA Drive is darn fast |
| 00:10.25 | ralf | gn8 |
| 00:10.27 | jim | binaryc: things leak out of sid... |
| 00:10.31 | thingfish | I did sid, I'm happy to stick with sarge now that I have it. |
| 00:10.38 | ScatterBrain | resiak: Details please... |
| 00:10.45 | resiak | ScatterBrain: Why not look in its configuration and see if you can guess. |
| 00:10.48 | thingfish | sarge is all the linux I need, by far. |
| 00:10.50 | resiak | ScatterBrain: Spoonfeeding is bad. |
| 00:11.02 | theboneman | how would i get my sound / usb mic to work in debian? :] |
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| 00:11.16 | resiak | !faq thayboiMu |
| 00:11.17 | dpkg | thayboiMu: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:11.18 | resiak | thayboiMu: Sorry. |
| 00:11.20 | resiak | !faq theboneman |
| 00:11.21 | dpkg | theboneman: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:11.25 | monteiro | i've made apt-get dist-upgrade to sid , and i want to go back, is that possible right ? |
| 00:11.34 | resiak | !downgrade |
| 00:11.34 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 00:11.34 | thingfish | monteiro: no it is not. |
| 00:11.38 | jim | dunno if usb audio is supported by linux |
| 00:12.12 | bigbill52a | debian...boot hangs randomly and popping noises....versus...ubuntu...kde crashes xserver after about 10 minutes making it completely useless...but good sound...what a choice |
| 00:12.15 | shingouz | jim: it is |
| 00:12.27 | monteiro | thingfish: tks :) |
| 00:12.30 | jim | and firewire audio? |
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| 00:12.41 | monteiro | resiak : tks |
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| 00:12.48 | shingouz | bigbill52a: the sound problem you have, USB audio perhaps? |
| 00:13.08 | resiak | !tell monteiro -about sid faq |
| 00:13.09 | bigbill52a | no motherboard msi k8t neo |
| 00:13.10 | cddesjar | http://paste.lisp.org/display/9023 |
| 00:13.31 | resiak | ScatterBrain: I'm being an arsehole, but seriously: just playing around is often faster than asking #d, and you'll learn more. |
| 00:13.46 | ScatterBrain | resiak: Ok, I think I've found it. Set 'SecureSystemMenu=false;? |
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| 00:14.01 | jim | cddesjar: I looked at that, and it looked awfully -short- |
| 00:14.05 | resiak | ScatterBrain: I actually meant pressing Actions -> Configure in GDM, but manually editing the file works. |
| 00:14.06 | shingouz | bigbill52a: ok, it was just a thought in anycase |
| 00:14.08 | cddesjar | yup that was it |
| 00:14.18 | jim | I know you cut off the make menuconfig stuff at the top |
| 00:14.18 | bigbill52a | thanks... |
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| 00:14.35 | masoft | how can I disable DHCPC at first and set IP manually ? |
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| 00:14.39 | jim | cddesjar: do you still have the tarball? |
| 00:14.49 | nvz | masoft: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:14.59 | loocek | I have error when I try anything...install, upgrade or remove packages. This error is: "reading database...dpkg: error processing gnome-desktop-environment (--purge) files list file for package 'tcpd' is missing final newline" . How fix this ? |
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| 00:15.06 | bigbill52a | if boot hangs, is there anything you can do other than restarting the computer? |
| 00:15.10 | resiak | loocek: are you using Sid? |
| 00:15.15 | loocek | yeah |
| 00:15.29 | nvz | bigbill52a: you can scream, though it wont help |
| 00:15.31 | resiak | loocek: You should _know_ that Sid breaks a lot. |
| 00:15.41 | jim | cddesjar: so you have a dir called kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 00:15.47 | jim | how did you get that dir |
| 00:15.50 | bigbill52a | hangs on usb |
| 00:15.59 | jim | what a way to go |
| 00:15.59 | resiak | loocek: Gnome in Sid is currently fucked. You have to stick it out, or downgrade, or pull bits from Experimental. |
| 00:16.00 | nvz | bigbill52a: is it a laptop? |
| 00:16.01 | bigbill52a | and you wait and nothing happens... |
| 00:16.04 | resiak | !tell loocek about sid faq |
| 00:16.12 | loocek | resiak: then ...what now? |
| 00:16.14 | Azar | bigbill52a it hangs because the startup is searching for some system files that might be corrupted or missing |
| 00:16.16 | danowoz | Is there some way I can start the install kernel without USB support? |
| 00:16.27 | resiak | loocek: FFS, you're running Sid. You should know this. |
| 00:16.32 | bigbill52a | norox, amd-64 in an msi neo via chipset |
| 00:16.37 | bigbill52a | 1 gig ram |
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| 00:16.47 | loocek | resiak: what does mean FFS ? |
| 00:16.52 | Azar | bigbill52a if you still want debian you have to reinstall and configure it the right way |
| 00:16.53 | resiak | !ffs |
| 00:16.53 | dpkg | methinks ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 00:16.58 | theboneman | <- has 1gb ram |
| 00:17.04 | spacelobster | could someone please try and ping me at 69.137.198.153 ? |
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| 00:17.05 | bigbill52a | choose stable at the beginning |
| 00:17.07 | resiak | loocek: Read the FAQ |
| 00:17.17 | bigbill52a | all my sources.list are stable |
| 00:17.20 | theboneman | bigbill52a :o |
| 00:17.20 | loocek | ok |
| 00:17.27 | shingouz | !beer bigbill52a |
| 00:17.30 | Azar | bigbill52a, out of curiosity: did you used the Debian installer? |
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| 00:17.41 | bigbill52a | yes..expert mode |
| 00:17.42 | nvz | !seen fooz |
| 00:17.43 | dpkg | fooz <~jesus@ip68-224-33-198.lv.lv.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 15h 53m 14s ago, saying: 'i don't know where to start on mine'. |
| 00:18.08 | bigbill52a | choose stable |
| 00:18.09 | Azar | bigbill52a thanks, I have no idea how that looks but it seems it confused you to heavens |
| 00:18.33 | theboneman | um |
| 00:18.40 | danowoz | , I have been trying to install debian on m,y laptop and the install progam hangs on USB about 4 of 5 times |
| 00:18.48 | theboneman | i did apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 00:18.51 | theboneman | but no alsaconf |
| 00:19.01 | danowoz | if it does get past the usb, then it hang later in the install |
| 00:19.05 | bigbill52a | the sata drivers hung the computer...so i had to leave them un checkmarked |
| 00:19.11 | theboneman | nm.. |
| 00:19.21 | bigbill52a | no this is the actual boot |
| 00:19.26 | Azar | theboneman, as jim said, it might be possible that linux in general does not support audio usb |
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| 00:19.37 | bigbill52a | with the 386 kernal |
| 00:19.40 | rcas | hum |
| 00:19.41 | bigbill52a | 2.6 |
| 00:19.41 | theboneman | rofl |
| 00:19.47 | rcas | something is wrong |
| 00:19.49 | shingouz | Azar: it seems to support usb audio |
| 00:19.50 | theboneman | Probing your ISA cards might make your system unstable |
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| 00:19.54 | rcas | when it comes to Booting |
| 00:20.01 | shingouz | bigbill52a: psst... kernEl, not kernal |
| 00:20.01 | rcas | It doesn't boot |
| 00:20.27 | theboneman | my card is in my mobo |
| 00:20.31 | bigbill52a | it hangs at usb sometimes and then sometimes..it completes...just depends on the humidity and wind speed |
| 00:20.33 | Azar | thanks shingouz, theboneman, try running debconf and see if you can pick it from there... |
| 00:21.12 | bigbill52a | if i use safe mode..works more often than choosing regular mode |
| 00:21.15 | Azar | bigbill52a beware of hurricanes then |
| 00:21.23 | theboneman | k Azar |
| 00:21.23 | rich0rd | !hmmn |
| 00:21.39 | lackey | does anyone know if there is a figlet package with 2.6 kernel |
| 00:21.47 | lackey | I can get it when running 2.4 |
| 00:22.01 | resiak | !info figlet |
| 00:22.03 | dpkg | figlet: (Frank, Ian & Glenn's Letters), section non-free/text, is optional. Version: 2.2.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 832 kB |
| 00:22.07 | resiak | How is figlet in any way affected by the kernel? |
| 00:22.11 | shingouz | Azar: what usb audio you have? just modprobe usb-sound (or was it usb-audio) |
| 00:22.15 | rich0rd | you may find it via www.apt-get.org |
| 00:22.22 | lackey | because I am an idiot |
| 00:22.23 | bigbill52a | i have installed it several times along with ubuntu...and through anguish learned how to install ati drivers...lol |
| 00:22.28 | Azar | shingouz the only usb is the mouse but I use a 5 pin adaptor |
| 00:22.32 | loocek | resiak: ok , I understand that sid isn't to stable, but what should I do in this moment ...with my problem, should I reinstall system ??? |
| 00:22.37 | theboneman | well.. in hawaii winspeed / humidity |
| 00:22.39 | theboneman | ;[ |
| 00:22.39 | resiak | lackey: figlet is in non-free. |
| 00:22.57 | bigbill52a | yuma..not much humidity..but some interesting winds |
| 00:23.00 | resiak | !tell lackey -about msg |
| 00:23.13 | rich0rd | resiak:_hehe really- uhm interesting |
| 00:23.24 | shingouz | Azar: ok |
| 00:23.26 | rcas | on Grub loader, Error 21 means ? anyone knows ? |
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| 00:24.03 | bigbill52a | when it checks my usb ports...i just have a printer and a wireless keyboar/mouse |
| 00:24.03 | loocek | resiak: hey! I using sarge ....not sid |
| 00:24.08 | cddesjar | crap i have to run out...i'll be back soon |
| 00:24.08 | cddesjar | and my internet keeps tweaking |
| 00:24.08 | cddesjar | i still do have the tar.bz2 file |
| 00:24.08 | cddesjar | as well |
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| 00:24.12 | carlosdelriomore | hello |
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| 00:24.45 | bigbill52a | logitech webcam..i have tried unplugging them still hangs |
| 00:24.55 | black13 | when is the TERM enviromnet variable set during bootup |
| 00:24.56 | danowoz | can someone help me? |
| 00:25.09 | lackey | what is it danowoz |
| 00:25.10 | theboneman | dont ask to ask danowoz |
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| 00:25.13 | carlosdelriomore | im thinking of buying a new laptop, and would like to know what centrino is? ive been unable to find usefull information to tell me if its worth the cost, does someone know about this please? |
| 00:25.20 | theboneman | just ask .. |
| 00:25.24 | resiak | loocek: Really? |
| 00:25.30 | danowoz | well I asked, guess noone saw.. |
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| 00:25.34 | resiak | rich0rd: You what? |
| 00:25.36 | binaryc | !topic carlosdelriomore |
| 00:25.45 | Sora_Aoi | what's the file name of the program to view website for console based? |
| 00:25.50 | resiak | !fgi carlosdelriomore centrino |
| 00:25.51 | dpkg | carlosdelriomore: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=centrino |
| 00:25.52 | danowoz | I was wansdering about disableing usb when installing |
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| 00:25.59 | bigbill52a | amd give more power for the buck... |
| 00:26.02 | loocek | resiak: yeah, I was wrong, sorry...:) |
| 00:26.10 | resiak | loocek: grep '\(unstable\|sid\)' /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l |
| 00:26.11 | lackey | disabling usb? |
| 00:26.13 | rich0rd | resiak: it is interesting that figlet is unfree |
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| 00:26.14 | lackey | uh |
| 00:26.17 | resiak | rich0rd: Read the license? |
| 00:26.19 | Azar | carlosdelriomore: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 00:26.26 | lackey | read the readme is the best advice |
| 00:26.31 | danowoz | when I am installing it keeps hanging in usb |
| 00:26.34 | danowoz | on |
| 00:26.35 | lackey | there is probably an option on startup |
| 00:26.45 | loocek | resiak: this return me 0 |
| 00:26.49 | rich0rd | resiak: no - i just didn't mind |
| 00:26.52 | danowoz | if it does get past the usb dives it hangs later in the install |
| 00:26.53 | bigbill52a | i have no problems in windows xp...so not a hardware problem |
| 00:26.54 | lackey | try on startup 'linux noapic nolapic' |
| 00:27.07 | lackey | no quotes |
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| 00:27.15 | lackey | this is for net install |
| 00:27.22 | lackey | although it should not matter |
| 00:27.24 | danowoz | yes net install |
| 00:27.27 | bigbill52a | it hangs just at usb...if it makes it past that ...then everything is cool and i am sailing into the xserver... |
| 00:27.31 | resiak | loocek: Hmm. Sorry for ranting at you, then. Not a clue :) |
| 00:27.49 | Azar | so the new Debian installer does not seem to accommodate usb... |
| 00:27.56 | lackey | just type 'linux noapic nolapic' in the initial prompt of net install |
| 00:28.00 | spacelobster | could someone please try and ping me at 69.137.198.153 ? |
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| 00:28.14 | danowoz | k |
| 00:28.32 | resiak | spacelobster: Yes, and no. |
| 00:28.37 | loocek | resiak: cat /etc/issue give:Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 00:28.53 | spacelobster | resiak, so the ping didn't work? |
| 00:28.57 | resiak | loocek: I'm believing you. I don't know what's causing your problem. |
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| 00:29.08 | lackey | packets failed |
| 00:29.11 | danowoz | here we go... thanks for the insight |
| 00:29.13 | lackey | ping = :( |
| 00:29.15 | bigbill52a | gotta go back later... |
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| 00:29.38 | resiak | spacelobster: No, it didn't. |
| 00:29.50 | spacelobster | resiak ok thanks |
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| 00:30.01 | loocek | resiak: aaa, ok , You never met with such a problem ? |
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| 00:30.07 | resiak | loocek: No. |
| 00:30.44 | carlosdelriomore | is hyperthreading a good thing? is it really faster? sounds like its two processor cores when using HT technology? |
| 00:30.44 | danowoz | I tried it and it still loads the usbdrivers and hangs at "usb.c:new bus registered. assigned bus number1" |
| 00:31.35 | nevyn | carlosdelriomore: umm #hardware but the answer is it depends on your workload |
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| 00:32.04 | nevyn | carlosdelriomore: because the cache is shared you can cachethrash which is bad and leads to less performance than just single threading. |
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| 00:33.19 | buccia | hi |
| 00:33.44 | lackey | hyperthreading is essentially, trying to up the bits from 32 |
| 00:33.48 | danowoz | linux no apic nolapic" was for usb? |
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| 00:33.53 | nevyn | lackey: umm no. |
| 00:33.55 | lackey | did it work |
| 00:34.04 | danowoz | no |
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| 00:34.08 | lackey | oh |
| 00:34.13 | lackey | it is for freezing up |
| 00:34.18 | Thanatermesis | how to compile a debian package with dpkg-buidpackage in i586 ? |
| 00:34.20 | danowoz | oh |
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| 00:34.21 | lackey | it has worked for me in the past |
| 00:34.26 | lackey | well |
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| 00:34.45 | danowoz | am trying again |
| 00:34.48 | lackey | I would try to see if there is some option on the start of the installation |
| 00:34.50 | Azar | The kernel normally tries to install USB modules and the USB keyboard driver in order to support some non-standard USB keyboards. However, there are some broken USB systems where the driver hangs on loading. A possible workaround may be disabling the USB controller in your mainboard BIOS setup. Another option is passing the debian-installer/probe/usb=false parameter at the boot prompt, which will prevent the modules from being loaded. |
| 00:34.50 | nvz | well I got my modem off the switched outlet, and I put it up inside the ceiling, where its not likely to be disturbed again |
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| 00:35.45 | lackey | danowoz, if usb is an issue, try unplugging the devices |
| 00:35.47 | paco_taco | is there a command to start apache, or is it always running in the background by default? |
| 00:36.05 | lackey | I would guess apache would run in the background |
| 00:36.07 | danowoz | I will try debian-installer/probe/usb=false as I donot have an option to turn usb off in the bios |
| 00:36.14 | nvz | Azar: 3 words are the cause of the problems you speak of with some BIOS software: legacy usb emulation |
| 00:36.16 | lackey | man apache |
| 00:36.22 | danowoz | no devices plugged in |
| 00:36.40 | mwilson | paco_taco: I would guess actually bothering to install it would be a start. |
| 00:36.42 | lackey | I would update bios/firmware in mobo |
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| 00:37.04 | nvz | Azar: apperently someone thought when PS/2 replaced AT Serial, it was just going to be that way forever |
| 00:37.09 | Azar | nvz, I never had USB, I just paste that paragraph from a manual |
| 00:37.14 | Azar | :) |
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| 00:37.19 | Azar | hoping to help |
| 00:37.37 | Rockret | anyone knows if debian 3.1 exist setup to interfaces ? |
| 00:37.55 | paco_taco | mwilson, its already installed |
| 00:37.56 | Azar | nvz as most of people here already know, most driver software are buggy |
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| 00:38.05 | shingouz | Rockret: huh? |
| 00:38.10 | mwilson | Azar: Except that they're not, of course. |
| 00:38.22 | jim | Rockret: for network? you can look at /etc/network/interfaces and man 5 interfaces |
| 00:38.22 | nvz | Rockret: maybe you should ask in #debian-br where they speak portuguese. the way you worded that makes no sense to english speakers |
| 00:38.29 | Rockret | i want to setup my eth1 |
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| 00:38.59 | shingouz | Rockret: do you speak portuguese? |
| 00:39.00 | Azar | mwilson, they are not? |
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| 00:39.05 | Rockret | yes |
| 00:39.16 | shingouz | !br |
| 00:39.16 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:39.17 | theboneman | .. |
| 00:39.18 | DaveMcW | I need help configuring my USB mouse. The 3 buttons work but the wheel doesn't. |
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| 00:39.33 | black13 | why do get the following |
| 00:39.39 | mwilson | Azar: No, most drivers are not buggy. Some undoubtedly are. But certainly not most. |
| 00:39.42 | simonrvn | DaveMcW: enable scrolling. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:39.42 | black13 | TERM=dump |
| 00:39.43 | nvz | Azar: Legacy USB Emulation was designed for systems which use USB keyboards/mice so that they can operate their input devices in the BIOS/CMOS setup and bootloader screens before the OS initalized the USB Controller |
| 00:39.43 | Azar | DaveMcW try reconfiguring the xfree86Conf |
| 00:39.59 | black13 | in my enviroment variable |
| 00:39.59 | DaveMcW | yes, I already reconfigured |
| 00:40.08 | Azar | mwilson if you say so I believe you , I know you are good at hardware stuff |
| 00:40.27 | nvz | Azar: however this often leaves the controller in an unexpected state for the OS in many cases |
| 00:40.34 | Azar | DaveMcW: if you run it again you will see some 3button mouse emulator there to pick |
| 00:40.47 | simonrvn | DaveMcW: in the mouse section: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 00:40.49 | theboneman | Azar so debconf alsaconf |
| 00:41.06 | shingouz | theboneman: alsaconf for sound |
| 00:41.16 | Azar | theboneman debconf gives you the chance to review and pick some modules you have overlooked |
| 00:41.26 | theboneman | oh |
| 00:41.27 | Azar | alsaconf "should" automatically see your driver |
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| 00:42.05 | mrpickles | HELP ! |
| 00:42.06 | theboneman | strange |
| 00:42.13 | theboneman | i did discover on accident |
| 00:42.14 | mrpickles | I don't know how to use irc |
| 00:42.14 | shingouz | mrpickles: and? |
| 00:42.25 | Azar | shingouz, I sent him back to debconf to see if he overlooked some driver modules he might need |
| 00:42.27 | paco_taco | anyone know what the debian equivalnet to apachectl is? |
| 00:42.31 | shingouz | mrpickles: what do you want to do? |
| 00:42.38 | shingouz | Azar: modconf |
| 00:42.43 | mrpickles | =) I'd like to get into a chatroom related to mepis os |
| 00:42.46 | mwilson | Azar: And what is debconf going to do for him, other than nothing at all? |
| 00:42.47 | theboneman | i dont have modconf |
| 00:42.50 | Azar | thanks shingouz |
| 00:42.50 | danowoz | where whould I input that debian-installer/probe/usb=false? |
| 00:42.54 | nvz | mrpickles: /j #mepis |
| 00:42.59 | mwilson | mrpickles: Then do so. |
| 00:42.59 | nvz | mrpickles: /part #debian |
| 00:43.05 | shingouz | channel :) |
| 00:43.06 | theboneman | modinfo: snd: no module by that name found |
| 00:43.09 | mrpickles | thanks, let me try |
| 00:43.16 | shingouz | mrpickles: channel, not room |
| 00:43.18 | shingouz | ;) |
| 00:43.23 | Azar | theboneman snd is the prefix for the alsa modules |
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| 00:43.36 | Azar | if you do not see any snd, then you erfff what |
| 00:43.41 | Azar | then you.. |
| 00:43.47 | Azar | dont have alsa? |
| 00:43.48 | theboneman | skipped drivers? |
| 00:43.49 | theboneman | lol |
| 00:43.58 | theboneman | but i alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 00:44.10 | theboneman | i know for a fact i need the driver |
| 00:44.22 | Azar | the sound driver? what chipset? |
| 00:44.22 | shingouz | theboneman: alsaconf to begin with |
| 00:44.22 | theboneman | apt-get install alsa-base alsa-util |
| 00:44.30 | theboneman | ahm... its built in... |
| 00:44.38 | theboneman | shingouz did, says didnt find anything. |
| 00:44.40 | lackey | danowoz, i dont know, but try it at the initial prompt "...or press enter to boot" |
| 00:44.41 | Azar | shingouz he thinks he did not have the driver installed |
| 00:44.50 | shingouz | Azar: and alsaconf can install it |
| 00:44.55 | Azar | oh |
| 00:44.56 | theboneman | nope |
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| 00:45.00 | shingouz | theboneman: the chipset... |
| 00:45.09 | DaveMcW | My /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 says: |
| 00:45.14 | shingouz | theboneman: lspci should tell you something |
| 00:45.15 | theboneman | No supported PnP or PCI card found. |
| 00:45.15 | danowoz | yes, I tried that, it returned "debian-inst" is not found |
| 00:45.23 | Azar | theboneman what you got ? VIA? |
| 00:45.24 | danowoz | er somthing like that |
| 00:45.25 | DaveMcW | Protocol ImPS/2 |
| 00:45.39 | DaveMcW | ZAccessMapping "4 5" |
| 00:45.43 | theboneman | ac97 audio controller shingouz |
| 00:45.51 | Azar | not that one theboneman |
| 00:45.51 | shingouz | !ac97 |
| 00:45.51 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 00:45.54 | theboneman | intel corp. |
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| 00:45.58 | Azar | via or intel? |
| 00:46.00 | DaveMcW | but scroll wheel doesn't work |
| 00:46.03 | theboneman | intel |
| 00:46.06 | shingouz | theboneman: read what dpkg jsut said |
| 00:46.14 | nvz | theboneman: show the output of lspci | grep audio |
| 00:46.15 | Azar | ok intel8x0 |
| 00:46.16 | theboneman | intel |
| 00:46.22 | nvz | thebnm |
| 00:46.24 | theboneman | !intel |
| 00:46.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, intel is a bunch of horridly evil crack whores |
| 00:46.27 | Azar | you should see snd_intel8x0 |
| 00:46.28 | yoo | Hi all |
| 00:46.29 | theboneman | rifk |
| 00:46.33 | theboneman | ok Azar |
| 00:46.35 | theboneman | rofl* |
| 00:46.44 | shingouz | lose the enter.... |
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| 00:46.58 | Azar | on /etc/modules what you got intel8x0_audio or snd_intel8x0 ? |
| 00:47.24 | yoo | i have a problem with alsa with my 2.6.11 kernel |
| 00:47.28 | theboneman | none azar |
| 00:47.37 | yoo | snd: Unknown parameter `device_mode' |
| 00:47.37 | danowoz | is there not somthing like "linux nosub"?? |
| 00:47.41 | Azar | ok add snd_intel8x0 see if that fixes |
| 00:47.45 | yoo | snd_seq_device: Unknown symbol snd_info_register |
| 00:47.45 | theboneman | ok |
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| 00:47.52 | yoo | snd_pcm: Unknown symbol snd_info_get_line |
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| 00:48.01 | yoo | snd_ac97_codec: Unknown symbol snd_info_register |
| 00:48.06 | yoo | etc.............. |
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| 00:48.22 | theboneman | Azar so now reboot.. or just reload modules |
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| 00:48.42 | yoo | Anybody know this problem ? |
| 00:48.44 | shingouz | theboneman: jsut reload the modules |
| 00:48.52 | Azar | hmm reboot and look how the moduel are loaded... in command line console mode |
| 00:48.55 | shingouz | theboneman: this is linux, reboots do not solve anything |
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| 00:49.07 | yoo | i can load snd modules at boot |
| 00:49.08 | theboneman | .. i know that.. |
| 00:49.09 | shingouz | Azar: you too, reboots are windows |
| 00:49.16 | theboneman | but i forgot how to reload modules ... |
| 00:49.21 | yoo | i must load them with modconf |
| 00:49.25 | Azar | shingouz I only reboot to see if there are any errors at bootup |
| 00:49.26 | theboneman | ./etc/init.d/modules ? |
| 00:49.27 | yoo | after |
| 00:49.30 | shingouz | theboneman: lsmod | grep snd |
| 00:49.46 | theboneman | nothing.. |
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| 00:50.09 | shingouz | theboneman: paste the output of lsmod in #flood, please |
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| 00:50.21 | black13 | what would cause the environment variable TERM to equal dump |
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| 00:50.39 | wishie | so what happens to all that stuff that was on non-us ? |
| 00:50.40 | nvz | theboneman: its /etc/init.d/modutils, that actually loads the modules, which are listed in /etc/modules |
| 00:50.51 | shingouz | wishie: it got merged into the main tree |
| 00:50.56 | theboneman | ok |
| 00:50.57 | theboneman | cool |
| 00:51.02 | Azar | I can't believe he say there are no snd modules |
| 00:51.06 | wishie | shingouz: how so ? i though it was illegal ? |
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| 00:51.16 | shingouz | !non-us |
| 00:51.16 | dpkg | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 00:51.23 | shingouz | <sigh> |
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| 00:51.30 | theboneman | sbp2 sr_mod snd_intel8x0 modprobe: Can't locate module snd_intel8x0 |
| 00:51.38 | danowoz | "usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number1" I am still hanging on this.. :( |
| 00:51.49 | Azar | ... but in woody still works huh |
| 00:51.52 | shingouz | theboneman: lsmod into #flood, no greps ok? |
| 00:51.57 | sambo | hi. i am installing debian on a computer with a pentium 3 500 mhz cpu. should i install the 386 kernel or 686? |
| 00:52.05 | shingouz | 686 |
| 00:52.10 | theboneman | ok shingouz |
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| 00:52.43 | shingouz | danowoz: begins to sound like a hardware problem for some reason |
| 00:52.44 | danowoz | could that be my problem? I am installing on an 800MHz |
| 00:52.59 | shingouz | danowoz: what would be the problem? |
| 00:52.59 | DaveMcW | how do I paste text in X-Chat? |
| 00:53.13 | Azar | no, danowoz your problem is documented in Troubleshooting |
| 00:53.15 | rob^ | DaveMcW, in #flood |
| 00:53.16 | danowoz | I am using the i386 kernel |
| 00:53.16 | shingouz | DaveMcW: with the middle button at least |
| 00:53.17 | nvz | theboneman: /etc/init.d/modutils basically runs at boot to check that /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep is writable, then runs a depmod -a -q if it is, and then loops through /etc/modules and modprobes each line |
| 00:53.21 | paco_taco | i cannot find apachectl anywhere..can anyone help? |
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| 00:53.28 | Azar | 5.3.3.2. System Freeze while Loading the USB Modules |
| 00:53.32 | wishie | so, in my mirrors.list for apt-mirror, i can remove all non-us from 'stable' 'testing' and 'unstable' ? |
| 00:53.32 | theboneman | :o |
| 00:53.50 | shingouz | danowoz: that is not the problem, you can get a bit more speed out of the system with the corect kernel but that is not the reason for the usb to screw up |
| 00:53.56 | sambo | shingouz thank you |
| 00:54.00 | danowoz | ok I will take alook at the troubleshoot |
| 00:54.02 | nvz | paco_taco: /msg dpkg find apachectl |
| 00:54.07 | shingouz | np |
| 00:54.07 | nvz | paco_taco: packages.debian.org |
| 00:54.18 | Azar | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html danowoz scroll down |
| 00:54.19 | shingouz | theboneman: that the whole lsmod? wow |
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| 00:54.33 | theboneman | why shingouz ? |
| 00:54.38 | Azar | shingouz so is real? he is missing the snd's ? |
| 00:54.40 | theboneman | lol cause of my l337 shit :P |
| 00:54.41 | shingouz | theboneman: what kernel you have there? |
| 00:54.45 | danowoz | ty |
| 00:54.46 | theboneman | 2.4.27 |
| 00:54.52 | shingouz | Azar: no sound at all |
| 00:54.56 | Azar | damn |
| 00:55.00 | theboneman | lol |
| 00:55.03 | theboneman | =D |
| 00:55.07 | shingouz | theboneman: did you install the alsa-modules for that kernel? |
| 00:55.10 | Azar | theboneman, running Sarge? |
| 00:55.14 | theboneman | shingouz i dont think so |
| 00:55.15 | nvz | theboneman: what the hell do you know about l337 shit? |
| 00:55.16 | DaveMcW | ok, I'm still having mouse scroll wheel problems |
| 00:55.17 | theboneman | Azar yeap |
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| 00:55.22 | theboneman | nvz nothing at all im sorry |
| 00:55.27 | DaveMcW | XF86Config-4 section is in #flood |
| 00:55.31 | nvz | theboneman: thats right mofo :P |
| 00:55.32 | Azar | theboneman, Debian installer or upgraded from Woody? |
| 00:55.41 | theboneman | deb installer |
| 00:55.45 | shingouz | theboneman: 2.4 uses oss as the default sound, 2.6 is on alsa already. either go to a 2.6 or install the appropriate alsa modules |
| 00:55.49 | wishie | so i take it, then since im mirroring based on distro status (stable, testing, unstable) i can delete the dir non-us.debian.org as it no longer applies ? |
| 00:55.51 | Azar | damn I have no idea how that installer works |
| 00:55.54 | theboneman | booted from livecd.. no packages at all |
| 00:55.58 | theboneman | shingouz ill go 2.6 |
| 00:56.02 | Azar | so I do not know what it does to your stuff |
| 00:56.08 | theboneman | yeah |
| 00:56.18 | theboneman | im really wondering if this USB mic will work... |
| 00:56.18 | shingouz | theboneman: 2.6 is good for you ;) |
| 00:56.26 | danowoz | so should I enter it like this? "linux debian-install/probe/usb=false"?? |
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| 00:56.31 | theboneman | hehe yeah but then ill have to learn to use cdrecorder on 2.6 anyways |
| 00:56.34 | shingouz | theboneman: i think it will. go to 2.6 and lets see the sound then |
| 00:56.36 | Azar | well someone should see what you are still missing there before you commit to other kernel |
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| 00:56.41 | Azar | fix your base first |
| 00:56.42 | theboneman | k |
| 00:56.52 | theboneman | Azar ? |
| 00:56.55 | nvz | all of your base belongs to us |
| 00:56.58 | theboneman | lol |
| 00:57.02 | jim | theboneman: or all uer base is belong to hom! |
| 00:57.03 | TGM | sid is literally unstable? broken package? |
| 00:57.16 | Azar | theboneman read this before jumping on 2.6 so to be prepared |
| 00:57.17 | shingouz | Azar: the 2.4 cannot use alsa unless the modules are there, they are not in the vanilla kernel at all, they are separate things |
| 00:57.26 | black13 | what is the command to create a debian chroot |
| 00:57.31 | wishie | TGM: i use sid daily, and its fine. but DONT depend on it. |
| 00:57.32 | shingouz | TGM: sid is not good for you |
| 00:57.45 | theboneman | ok Azar throw me a link :D |
| 00:57.48 | nvz | create a chroot? |
| 00:57.50 | wishie | it can break from time to time, with no warning at all. |
| 00:57.50 | Azar | http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-newkernel |
| 00:57.59 | TGM | I use sid.. i am worried that the message means that there is a known problem ATM. |
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| 00:58.06 | nvz | black13: you mean to create a jail? chroot is chroot |
| 00:58.07 | jim | theboneman: so get your java going? |
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| 00:58.16 | shingouz | TGM: it is Sid |
| 00:58.17 | nvz | black13: jailers, there are several of them |
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| 00:58.34 | theboneman | jim, yes, im trying to get something to test it with... azureus... and p2p hopefully ;x |
| 00:58.44 | black13 | nvz, yes nvz where i can use debian inside say mandrake |
| 00:58.44 | theboneman | but i know the rules so /me shh's |
| 00:58.48 | TGM | so the first letter is not captitalized in the ftp archive. |
| 00:58.48 | Condector | hey, anyone know's how remove a file into a .tar.bz2 file?? |
| 00:58.51 | jim | I gues you could try limewire |
| 00:58.52 | wishie | Sid = the evil kid who lives next door, that rips the heads off of all of his toys. |
| 00:58.53 | Condector | in console mode |
| 00:59.00 | nvz | black13: well apt-cache search jail |
| 00:59.05 | shingouz | Condector: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:59.06 | jim | Condectorremove? |
| 00:59.08 | theboneman | jim im guessing ill have to add more sources ? :p |
| 00:59.27 | jim | theboneman: no, just get the tarball, is one way |
| 00:59.28 | TGM | anybody here from the cd team? |
| 00:59.35 | Azar | theboneman, do not reboot after installing the new 2.6.x kernel, edit your lilo.conf to insert initrd=/initrd.img below the image=/vmlinuz line , save then run /sbin/lilo then reboot |
| 00:59.43 | theboneman | <- grub |
| 00:59.46 | black13 | would this work the same for ubuntu |
| 00:59.48 | Azar | oh ok |
| 00:59.50 | black13 | nvz? |
| 00:59.50 | nvz | TGM: no, but they left you a note, it just reads "go away" |
| 00:59.51 | theboneman | :D |
| 00:59.54 | dondelelcaro | TGM: what's the question? |
| 00:59.58 | danowoz | I entered it like this "linux debian-installer/..." and it still loads usb and hangs |
| 00:59.58 | shingouz | Azar: the kernel packages tell you to do it |
| 00:59.59 | nvz | TGM: heh, but seriously, what do you neeD? |
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| 01:00.14 | danowoz | how do I "pass this parameter"? |
| 01:00.19 | nvz | black13: apt-cache search jail |
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| 01:00.22 | Azar | shingouz indeed but I was really confused first time |
| 01:00.24 | TGM | Well i wished to ping the cd-team. this faq entry (and perhaps several others) need to be updated: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#dvd |
| 01:00.30 | jim | with grub, you dont' have to rerun the grubby every time... it finds your kernel by its -filename- |
| 01:00.47 | nvz | TGM: that would more likely be the website people |
| 01:00.54 | Azar | jim, yes I heard grub is quite more convenient |
| 01:00.57 | theboneman | jim, yeah i noticed that. |
| 01:01.06 | wishie | grub rocks. |
| 01:01.07 | dondelelcaro | TGM: file a bug on the www.debian.org pseudo package using reportbug, or check the bts. |
| 01:01.07 | theboneman | i did a kernel upgrade before i just reinstalled it |
| 01:01.13 | theboneman | and didnt upgrade yet |
| 01:01.21 | jim | the other interesting thing about grub is it has a grubby shell |
| 01:01.30 | TGM | k |
| 01:01.48 | jim | you can get into the shell at boot time, and boot anything you can locate |
| 01:01.52 | TGM | which is the meta package for the doc team also... I've noticed a few doc problems |
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| 01:02.03 | dondelelcaro | TGM: depends on which documentation you're talking about. |
| 01:02.15 | Azar | I wonder how in heavens did he managed an installation with no driver modules |
| 01:02.24 | danowoz | Azar, do you know how to pass the paramete at boot? |
| 01:02.28 | Azar | it must be a new installer thing |
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| 01:02.39 | dondelelcaro | danowoz: you pass them on the kernel command line. |
| 01:02.39 | black13 | nvz, another question where is the TERM variable setup |
| 01:02.44 | Azar | danowoz I only know lilo |
| 01:02.49 | Condector | jim, shingouz yes.. i'm try remove a file into a .tar.bz2 |
| 01:03.13 | Condector | jim, shingouz because this file have others wrong files.. |
| 01:03.13 | jim | Condector: first unbz2 it |
| 01:03.13 | adapt | didnt someone get a bsd init system running on debian a while back? |
| 01:03.20 | wishie | Condector: you want to CREATE a tar.bz2 ? or delete a single from FROM a tar.bz2 ? |
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| 01:03.34 | Condector | jim but i do not have space to decompress this file .tar.bz2 |
| 01:03.47 | Condector | wishie delete a single into .tar.bz2 |
| 01:03.52 | Condector | in console mode |
| 01:03.52 | theboneman | for a 1gb card how much swap should you have |
| 01:03.55 | danowoz | dondelelcaro, I tried "linux dabien-installer/probe/usb=fals" and it din't work what am doing wrong? |
| 01:04.04 | jim | Condector: you might not be able to do that then... |
| 01:04.24 | adapt | if sid is literally untable (topic), what should i use for a basic desktop? |
| 01:04.28 | dondelelcaro | danowoz: uh, besides spelling everything improperly? |
| 01:04.34 | TGM | dondelelcaro: it is onew of the w.d.o/doc/ pages. it has an actual package. should i file against that? |
| 01:04.34 | danowoz | yes |
| 01:04.35 | Azar | card? |
| 01:04.35 | shingouz | Condector: delete a single file out of the tar.bz2? |
| 01:04.41 | Condector | jim have any chance to solve this problem?? |
| 01:04.42 | dondelelcaro | TGM: the actual package |
| 01:04.47 | TGM | k |
| 01:04.47 | Condector | shingouz thats it! |
| 01:04.58 | xoz | adapt: sarge |
| 01:05.02 | wishie | adapt: sarge, or perhaps, if you are brave, etch :P |
| 01:05.04 | jim | Condector: gotta get more disk space |
| 01:05.05 | shingouz | Condector: i have no clue on how to do it really, i am not even sure if it can be done |
| 01:05.20 | adapt | xoz: wishie: thanks guys |
| 01:05.34 | adapt | time for a little windowmaker |
| 01:05.39 | wishie | not many here use sid it seems ? |
| 01:05.40 | theboneman | so |
| 01:05.44 | theboneman | ok im going to upgrade my kernel |
| 01:05.51 | Condector | o no |
| 01:05.54 | adapt | is sid after sarge? |
| 01:05.54 | jim | that can only make little windows! |
| 01:05.55 | danowoz | dondelelcaro, with exception of the spelling does that look right |
| 01:06.04 | wishie | adapt: sarge, etch, sid. |
| 01:06.08 | jim | you're going to need a big windowmaker too |
| 01:06.09 | Azar | theboneman, make note of all your hardware specs |
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| 01:06.19 | Azar | just to be handy when you look for modules |
| 01:06.21 | wishie | adapt: which is stable, testing, unstable. |
| 01:06.21 | theboneman | k |
| 01:06.23 | adapt | oh. i've never even heard of etch |
| 01:06.42 | wishie | adapt: etch is only new, since the release of sarge |
| 01:06.50 | wishie | adapt: it used to be woody, sarge, sid |
| 01:06.54 | adapt | wishie: cool. sorry, i should've just gone a read. i just never keep up with debian. im about to give it another shot though. |
| 01:06.57 | jim | stretch! play a Gretch! it's Etch a Sketch! |
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| 01:07.21 | Azar | testing how much can stretch the etch |
| 01:07.23 | sean_micken | i would like to make an exact copy of a CD.. (read from /dev/hdd and write to /dev/hdc) -- how would i do that? |
| 01:07.24 | dondelelcaro | danowoz: it should be, yes. |
| 01:07.45 | danowoz | k, checked my spelling and am trying again |
| 01:07.53 | dondelelcaro | danowoz: it will still load the usb modules, but it shouldn't probe them. If that's where it is hanging though, you probably have an issue with acpi or similar. |
| 01:08.01 | wishie | sean_micken: you want to copy from one cd to another ? or cd->cd image. |
| 01:08.10 | danowoz | no dice |
| 01:08.10 | theboneman | which one should i get Azar |
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| 01:08.20 | theboneman | 2.6-686 for intel right |
| 01:08.30 | Azar | 2.6.8-2-yourcpumodel should be a groovy choice |
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| 01:08.43 | theboneman | yeh 3.1 ghz processor.. |
| 01:08.46 | sean_micken | wishie: copy from one cd to another. |
| 01:08.47 | Raith | hey...i'm downloading the official cd images..which one do i need? |
| 01:08.54 | Azar | yep 386 for P I and the other choices for P II, III or 4 |
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| 01:09.05 | marl_mobile | hi, can anyone tell me what im doing wrong with the following? : im trying to create a sparse file system and format it as ext3 underdebian, i create the file system with : dd if=/dev/zero of=./rootfs bs=1024 count=1 seek=640000 : and then try to create the filesystem on it with : /sbin/mke2fs -j ./rootfs : and then mke2fs says the file system is mounted, and wont continue :( anyone tell me what im doing wrong? |
| 01:09.06 | paco_taco | if yoi install apache, and you reboot, is apache still running? |
| 01:09.09 | wishie | sean_micken: you got X available ? or console only ? |
| 01:09.25 | Azar | pick the right one, read the specs theboneman |
| 01:09.26 | wishie | paco_taco: most likely, as it would be set to start at boot time. |
| 01:09.28 | danowoz | still hags at "USB.c: new USB bus registered..." |
| 01:09.29 | sean_micken | wishie: i've got X, but i don't want to download any graphical apps for it. |
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| 01:09.33 | theboneman | Azar so alsa should be there on the kernel right :] |
| 01:09.34 | sean_micken | wishie: so lets say i don't have X :P |
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| 01:09.44 | steve_ | hey- how do i watch dvd's in debian? |
| 01:09.45 | Azar | apt-cache search kernel-image, tboneman |
| 01:09.48 | wishie | sean_micken: ok, tried cdrecord ? cdrdao and the likes ? |
| 01:09.53 | nvz | black13: I guess the TERM is set buy the shell since it has no useful meaning outside the shell, and the same shell could have a different value of term dependign on where it starts |
| 01:09.57 | steve_ | i dl'ed ogle and the css crack |
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| 01:10.04 | nvz | black13: I really have no idea |
| 01:10.09 | rixth | steve_, xine? mplayer? |
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| 01:10.14 | sean_micken | wishie: i've got cdrecord, yeah, but i'm just wondering if anyone knows exactly how to do it. |
| 01:10.26 | wishie | ok, brb |
| 01:10.27 | Raith | ..if i get the official cd images..do i need --> alpha/, arm/, hppa/, i386/, ia64/, m68k/, mips/, mpisel/, powerpc/, s390/, source/, sparc/ |
| 01:10.30 | darkcmd | how do I setup alsa under debian sarge with kernel 2.4.27 |
| 01:10.31 | black13 | nvz, no problem ... this is an ugly hybrid system i have |
| 01:10.36 | paco_taco | wishie, well, when i run my browser, and go 'local host,' it says 'an error occurred while loading http://localhost/ |
| 01:10.46 | rixth | How do I let Xfree use higher resolutions? I've just purchased a LCD screen but I can't find where to make the resolution bigger. |
| 01:10.46 | mwilson | sean_micken: man readcd |
| 01:10.51 | nvz | black13: you new to FOSS? |
| 01:10.58 | Raith | helllooo....? |
| 01:11.04 | black13 | nvz, FOSS? |
| 01:11.05 | wishie | perhaps the -clone option sean_micken ? |
| 01:11.11 | steve_ | An error occured |
| 01:11.12 | steve_ | The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss? |
| 01:11.16 | nvz | black13: free open source software |
| 01:11.17 | rixth | Freee Open Source Software? |
| 01:11.26 | black13 | nvz, yes and no |
| 01:11.37 | mwilson | rixth: Bigger than what? |
| 01:11.46 | theboneman | apt-cache search libdvdcss |
| 01:11.49 | black13 | nvz, i have used gcc and gnu tool chain since the early 90s on ibm |
| 01:11.49 | theboneman | =D |
| 01:11.50 | wishie | paco_taco: did you check the logs to see if apache is running ? |
| 01:11.51 | nvz | black13: why not convinced 100% debian yet? |
| 01:11.54 | Raith | hey...err...can someone answer my question..please? |
| 01:11.57 | Raith | ..if i get the official cd images..do i need --> alpha/, arm/, hppa/, i386/, ia64/, m68k/, mips/, mpisel/, powerpc/, s390/, source/, sparc/ |
| 01:12.02 | steve_ | there is no libdvdcss |
| 01:12.03 | theboneman | btw Azar im getting into c coding :] |
| 01:12.05 | steve_ | in sarge |
| 01:12.07 | paco_taco | wishie, let me check |
| 01:12.10 | danowoz | f |
| 01:12.13 | rixth | mwilson, currently, the highest I can select in Preference->Screen Resolution is 1024x768, I want 1280x1024 |
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| 01:12.25 | nvz | steve_: /msg dpkg libdvdcss |
| 01:12.30 | wishie | paco_taco: sometimes apache wont start unless you set a hostname for it as such |
| 01:12.30 | Raith | does debian have dual monitor support ? |
| 01:12.33 | nvz | steve_: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:12.35 | wishie | ServerName i mean |
| 01:12.36 | rixth | Raith, yes |
| 01:12.37 | steve_ | !libdvdcss |
| 01:12.37 | dpkg | To get libdvdcss, follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/; or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 01:12.39 | black13 | nvz, this is a live cd i am working on |
| 01:12.43 | Raith | rixth: ..if i get the official cd images..do i need --> alpha/, arm/, hppa/, i386/, ia64/, m68k/, mips/, mpisel/, powerpc/, s390/, source/, sparc/ |
| 01:12.54 | mwilson | Raith: Do you own any of those? |
| 01:12.56 | rixth | Well, what is your computer? |
| 01:13.00 | Raith | intel.. |
| 01:13.05 | rixth | x86 |
| 01:13.06 | wishie | i386 then |
| 01:13.11 | black13 | nvz, it used parts of gentoo to make the actually software (glibc/xorg) but uses debian bootscripts |
| 01:13.17 | Raith | i386 or x86? |
| 01:13.22 | rixth | i386 |
| 01:13.27 | Raith | alright..thanks. |
| 01:13.28 | wishie | rixth: :P |
| 01:13.30 | Raith | :p |
| 01:13.31 | mwilson | rixth: Well hully gee, then you know what you need, don't you? Of course, you could actually read the installation guide, but you probably don't want to do that. |
| 01:13.36 | marl_mobile | anyone any ideas on my sparse formatting problem? |
| 01:13.41 | Raith | going to mess up my computer now huh rixth? :P |
| 01:13.42 | darkcmd | how do I setup alsa under debian sarge with kernel 2.4.27? thanks |
| 01:13.45 | nvz | black13: thats sickening, but doesnt answer why you havent just installed a pure debian system yet |
| 01:13.46 | danowoz | I tired "linux noacpi nolacpi debian-installer/probe/usb=false" and it stall hangs |
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| 01:13.56 | Raith | i just need the binary files..right? |
| 01:14.06 | theboneman | so i can use the 2.6 kernel after i download / upgrade |
| 01:14.08 | rixth | mwilson, hey! I went through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 changed the option, restarted X, and that rsolution still isn't there. |
| 01:14.15 | mwilson | Raith: You need what the installation guide tells you that you need. |
| 01:14.18 | black13 | nvz, i have pure debian system ... i really like debian ... |
| 01:14.22 | Raith | alright |
| 01:14.22 | rixth | So I can't be accused of not trying to work it out by myself |
| 01:14.22 | Raith | thanks |
| 01:14.25 | wishie | Raith: are you going to do a net install ? or download all the cd images ? |
| 01:14.29 | mwilson | rixth: And the log says... what? |
| 01:14.31 | Raith | download all the cd images |
| 01:14.34 | Raith | then boot from cd rom |
| 01:14.35 | rob^ | heh.. I haven't installed a pure debian system because my wife cant watch live Big Brother streams using Linux |
| 01:14.47 | wishie | Raith: why not boot from cd-rom, and install over the internet ? |
| 01:14.49 | theboneman | ew Raith |
| 01:14.52 | nvz | rixth: well you either didnt read the log, or didnt change the file, or both |
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| 01:14.59 | Raith | well...wishie..how do i do that? |
| 01:15.06 | black13 | nvz, i would become a debian convert i could build everything from source |
| 01:15.12 | rixth | Okay, I'll go lok at the log |
| 01:15.13 | jetx | yes sarge is great i am dirt |
| 01:15.13 | wishie | rob^: i watch it in HD..although i shouldnt admit to watching Big Brother |
| 01:15.15 | theboneman | install with cd the base system and choose netinstall |
| 01:15.22 | rixth | Big Brother = Shit. |
| 01:15.24 | nvz | black13: you are one sick puppy |
| 01:15.29 | rob^ | yes |
| 01:15.30 | mohadib_ | so , i have a sarge installer disk download using the torrent file from debian.org, when propmted for a hostname I have typed in several differient names , when i hit enter the next screen comes up asking me for domain name , it is set to "fuckyou.com" by default , google show nothing , you guys seen this?? |
| 01:15.38 | theboneman | Raith even then you can just forget about installing any packages at all |
| 01:15.38 | Raith | boneman: cd base system? |
| 01:15.42 | wishie | Raith: download the net-install cd. read the instructions on the site. saves downloading alot of stuff you wont use. |
| 01:15.52 | rob^ | but I like getting some so windows stays for the time being |
| 01:15.56 | black13 | nvz, yes but i know the innards of glibc and xorg |
| 01:15.56 | nvz | rixth: if you have edited your X configuration by hand and not updated the checksum file, debconf cannot modify it anymore |
| 01:16.09 | Raith | Download the installation system from the Internet, and get the rest by downloading as you install. |
| 01:16.10 | Raith | that one? |
| 01:16.10 | theboneman | Raith yeah, as soon as you pick your partitions with the cd it will install debian, then ask you how would you like your packages... |
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| 01:16.14 | wishie | rob^: should work nicely from linux. does for me |
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| 01:16.24 | theboneman | Raith, download the first debian cd. |
| 01:16.35 | theboneman | when u choose netinstall |
| 01:16.37 | Raith | i'm confused...what's the first debian cd? |
| 01:16.41 | wishie | Raith: yes. the net installation cd |
| 01:16.44 | nvz | black13: so become a Debian Developer, run sid, and work on glibc and xorg for debian |
| 01:16.44 | theboneman | cdimage... |
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| 01:16.56 | theboneman | hold on Raith |
| 01:16.58 | Azar | theboneman with who are you gonna learn C ? |
| 01:16.58 | Raith | Download the installation system from the Internet, and get the rest by downloading as you install. |
| 01:17.00 | cddesjar | hey if i have already complied a kernel |
| 01:17.00 | Raith | it's that one right.. |
| 01:17.00 | wishie | yeah, work on xorg! |
| 01:17.02 | paco_taco | wishie, it says [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 01:17.02 | Hablandocontigo | What is the paste website again? |
| 01:17.04 | cddesjar | and it's made a .deb package |
| 01:17.05 | black13 | nvz, the problem is i have to make money |
| 01:17.06 | Hablandocontigo | !paste |
| 01:17.07 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 01:17.16 | jetx | what supplies the window borders in x.. the window manager? like metacity, sawfish ... what else is there? |
| 01:17.16 | cddesjar | how do i delete that old package |
| 01:17.16 | wishie | paco_taco: apache2 or apache 1.3 ? |
| 01:17.16 | bucky | !install debian |
| 01:17.17 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 01:17.20 | cddesjar | i have already installed it |
| 01:17.22 | black13 | nvz, even ugly software can make a buck |
| 01:17.50 | jetx | functional>pretty |
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| 01:17.55 | K_Dallas | black13, or more, Windows :) |
| 01:17.55 | rixth | (WW) NV(0): config file vrefresh range 43-72Hz not within DDC vrefresh range 50-75Hz ******(II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) |
| 01:17.57 | rixth | Well then. |
| 01:18.07 | jetx | but both are good |
| 01:18.21 | theboneman | Raith what type of system architecht ? |
| 01:18.23 | jetx | google your monitor # |
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| 01:18.33 | theboneman | ie.. intel x86 alpha.. etc ? |
| 01:18.35 | paster | "usuario" at 67.167.7.235 pasted "kernel compile error" (17 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/212 |
| 01:18.36 | black13 | nvz, and the bootable cd i am working boots starts xorg and SDL |
| 01:18.38 | jetx | err monitor's model # |
| 01:18.41 | mwilson | rixth: And there you go. |
| 01:18.50 | Raith | intel...is all i know..i was advised to get i836 or something by rixth |
| 01:18.58 | rixth | The thing is, I frequently switch between a 17" LCD and a 17" CRT. |
| 01:19.00 | paco_taco | is there a way to run apache from the command line in debian? |
| 01:19.07 | theboneman | Raith http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:19.11 | shingouz | Raith: i386 |
| 01:19.12 | wishie | paco_taco: /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 01:19.14 | theboneman | that is the image you want. |
| 01:19.16 | rixth | Raith, i386 |
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| 01:19.31 | mwilson | rixth: So? |
| 01:19.36 | theboneman | you burn that image then boot to cd... |
| 01:19.41 | black13 | nvz, i would love nothing more that a clean build system that would allow me to make just enough wiht not man pages no info files no locals but C |
| 01:19.46 | Raith | now see...before i do this |
| 01:19.48 | theboneman | Raith are you cable internet, or dsl or 56k? |
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| 01:19.52 | Raith | cable internet |
| 01:19.53 | black13 | nvz, LOCALES |
| 01:19.56 | theboneman | ok then you are ok |
| 01:19.57 | Raith | do i have to remove the fc3 partition |
| 01:19.58 | Raith | and swap ? |
| 01:20.07 | theboneman | no |
| 01:20.10 | theboneman | you can use those |
| 01:20.15 | Raith | well i want this gone |
| 01:20.18 | Raith | *i want it gone |
| 01:20.18 | theboneman | just format them if u have no data back them up |
| 01:20.24 | black13 | K_Dallas, areyou in dallas? |
| 01:20.26 | Raith | alright |
| 01:20.27 | theboneman | you can change the filesystem type also |
| 01:20.36 | wishie | if you want to leave fc3 on the pc, leave it there. debian wont touch it. and you can use the same swap space |
| 01:20.46 | theboneman | i used reiserFS and changed to ext3 see... |
| 01:20.49 | Raith | i want to get rid of fc3..so i'll reformat |
| 01:20.50 | K_Dallas | black13, never been to Dallas |
| 01:20.54 | Raith | so it's 2 gb for swap...and 25 gb of hdd space ??...i got 512 mb ram |
| 01:20.58 | theboneman | ok |
| 01:21.05 | theboneman | its pretty simple Raith |
| 01:21.07 | black13 | K_Dallas, im in the area |
| 01:21.13 | wishie | 2gb swap ? isnt that a fair bit |
| 01:21.14 | rixth | H Freq/ V Freq: 30-70 / 50-160, okay, now what? |
| 01:21.15 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 01:21.15 | black13 | K_Dallas, just curious |
| 01:21.18 | Raith | alright |
| 01:21.20 | Raith | thanks boneman |
| 01:21.23 | theboneman | aside from how redhat 5.2 manually paritioning tables at 12 years old wasnt fun :\ |
| 01:21.26 | K_Dallas | this is Korbain Dallas actually |
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| 01:21.44 | wishie | theboneman: hehe, i remember those days. |
| 01:21.55 | black13 | K_Dallas, ah |
| 01:21.56 | theboneman | np Raith |
| 01:22.02 | black13 | well i fixed the term issue |
| 01:22.04 | theboneman | wishie heeheh :] linuxmall!! |
| 01:22.05 | Raith | so do i remove the fc3 partition now? |
| 01:22.10 | black13 | its in the file enviroment |
| 01:22.13 | theboneman | Raith, you can change it |
| 01:22.19 | Raith | to debian ? |
| 01:22.22 | theboneman | Raith, you dont even need to remove it.. |
| 01:22.33 | theboneman | Raith no that doesnt matter debian or not |
| 01:22.37 | black13 | i wonder if you could create a small system that used busybox and glibc and xorg on top of that? |
| 01:22.44 | Raith | i can reformat it right?...i don't want fc3 on my system |
| 01:22.47 | theboneman | everything needs a filesystem.. like windows uses NTFS as its filesystem |
| 01:22.50 | theboneman | yes you can |
| 01:22.56 | wishie | black13: i have a system here that uses busybox and XFree86 |
| 01:23.02 | theboneman | just dl that image and burn it |
| 01:23.04 | wishie | black13: boots from CompactFlash |
| 01:23.06 | Raith | and then go from there? |
| 01:23.08 | wishie | its my set-top box |
| 01:23.14 | black13 | wishie, we should talk |
| 01:23.17 | Raith | so i don't have to open partition magic right now at all..just do it from the debian install ? |
| 01:23.21 | theboneman | nope |
| 01:23.26 | theboneman | it has its own partitioner |
| 01:23.29 | Raith | alright |
| 01:23.31 | Raith | thanks |
| 01:23.34 | paco_taco | i cannot find httpd or apachectl on debian |
| 01:23.34 | theboneman | np |
| 01:23.41 | theboneman | um |
| 01:23.43 | theboneman | apachectl2 |
| 01:23.45 | black13 | wishie, is this something you have release to general public? |
| 01:23.46 | theboneman | apache2ctl |
| 01:23.57 | wishie | black13: not as yet, still polishing |
| 01:24.08 | theboneman | unless your using apache 1.3... |
| 01:24.09 | wishie | i also have my arcade machine that runs busybox and SDL |
| 01:24.14 | theboneman | or whatever number |
| 01:24.18 | paco_taco | thankyou! |
| 01:24.23 | theboneman | np |
| 01:24.25 | black13 | wishie, have you played around with squashsfs |
| 01:24.42 | black13 | wishie, my sistem uses squashfs |
| 01:24.43 | theboneman | brb |
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| 01:24.48 | wishie | not recently, no. |
| 01:24.56 | wishie | black13: the morphix guys might be able to help you |
| 01:24.58 | binaryc | i want to install linux onto a portable usb hard drive that i have sitting around, so i can take a full working install with me when i do pc repair and what not. What would be my best choice since i would need it to detect different hardware very often ? |
| 01:25.12 | paco_taco | is apache2ctl similiar to the httpd command in unix? |
| 01:25.29 | theboneman | um |
| 01:25.31 | wishie | black13: #morphix, and www.morphix.org |
| 01:25.34 | theboneman | paco_taco you would type |
| 01:25.37 | black13 | wishie, do you build everyting from binaries or source or hyrbrid of both |
| 01:25.39 | theboneman | apache2ctl start |
| 01:25.43 | theboneman | apache2ctl stop |
| 01:25.46 | theboneman | apache2ctl restart |
| 01:25.51 | wishie | black13: hybrid. depending on what mood im in |
| 01:25.52 | jethro | !tell theboneman -about enter |
| 01:26.05 | theboneman | rofl |
| 01:26.12 | wishie | black13: usually if im using binaries, i extract the deb, and only take the files i need |
| 01:26.16 | bucky | paco_taco, apache2ctl graceful |
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| 01:26.23 | bucky | is that similar to unix? |
| 01:26.29 | wishie | i try to build most things from source, and cut down on file size by only adding the features i want. |
| 01:26.36 | black13 | wishie, could have a private chat |
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| 01:26.57 | theboneman | brb |
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| 01:26.59 | wishie | black13: sure. |
| 01:27.13 | black13 | how do i do that? |
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| 01:27.34 | binaryc | aww how cute , the two of them are getting a room |
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| 01:27.37 | Hablandocontigo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/212 can someone address my problem? |
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| 01:27.40 | Iapetus | Any help support channel here for Debian clusters? |
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| 01:29.18 | shingouz | binaryc: :) |
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| 01:30.12 | shingouz | binaryc: don't say that you haven't done the same ever |
| 01:30.31 | paco_taco | when i start apache2ctl, it says "httpd not running, trying to start" |
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| 01:30.52 | theboneman | heh |
| 01:31.41 | bucky | paco_taco, cat /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 01:31.49 | bucky | see what the error is |
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| 01:33.10 | paco_taco | it says i need to modify user directive |
| 01:33.52 | theboneman | l |
| 01:33.54 | bucky | paco_taco, are you using apache2ctl as su ? |
| 01:33.55 | darkcmd | how do I setup alsa with sarge and 2.4.27 |
| 01:34.07 | paco_taco | bucky, well i am root |
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| 01:34.17 | bucky | paco_taco, have you changed any of the configs? |
| 01:34.18 | paco_taco | bucky, well i am logged in as root |
| 01:34.30 | sassytomato | darkcmd, http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~d98-jas/debian/debian-install-alsa.txt |
| 01:34.42 | darkcmd | thanks |
| 01:34.43 | paco_taco | bucky, well, i have been messing with them as experiments..i am just learning apache and probably chenged things i shouldnt have |
| 01:34.44 | sassytomato | thats what I did |
| 01:35.38 | paco_taco | bucky, i deleted all the user info from my config file |
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| 01:37.17 | bucky | paco_taco, three things... (1) always make a back up copy of a file before editing it (2) figure out what you changed and change it back (3) if you can't figure that out, apt-get remove --purge apache2-common and reintstall |
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| 01:38.23 | bnoji | I still can't seem to get 2.6.11.11 to boot. |
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| 01:39.08 | bnoji | As soon as I make a selection in lilo, the screen goes blank for a sec and then the display is garbled |
| 01:39.21 | bucky | paco_taco, somtimes there are example files in /usr/share/doc/apache2-common/examples/ |
| 01:39.21 | bnoji | 2.2.17 works. |
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| 01:39.44 | Hablandocontigo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/212 can someone address my problem? |
| 01:39.53 | DebDeb | Hello :D |
| 01:40.13 | bucky | Whoppix has landed |
| 01:40.26 | bucky | Hablandocontigo, are you using fakeroot? |
| 01:40.48 | DebDeb | can it's possible to change a image in grub ? because on start up it's not beautiful lol... |
| 01:40.49 | Hablandocontigo | bucky: I have it installed; but my exact compile command is shown in [ ] |
| 01:40.57 | DebDeb | Bucky i have installed Whoppix |
| 01:41.00 | DebDeb | Kernel 2.6 |
| 01:41.01 | bucky | then the answer is no |
| 01:41.16 | bucky | DebDeb, you installed whoppix ? |
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| 01:41.23 | Hablandocontigo | bucky: make-kpkg --uc --us --revision 1.usuario --rootcmd fakeroot --append-to-version '-1-usuario' --initrd binary-arch |
| 01:41.28 | Hablandocontigo | bucky: is waht I did |
| 01:41.33 | DebDeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.44 | bucky | Hablandocontigo, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 01:42.01 | DebDeb | debian and whoppix on 1 :) |
| 01:42.33 | DebDeb | how i can download a nice image boot for grub bucky ? |
| 01:43.03 | bucky | apt has one or bootsplash.org |
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| 01:43.58 | DebDeb | apt bug.... i write : apt-get update it's good but one moment after he say : no such file or directory in ftp://debian...... |
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| 01:44.06 | DebDeb | so it's abort |
| 01:44.20 | saudilinux | where can i find kde3.4 packages eccept the alioth ones ??? |
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| 01:44.25 | Raith | hey...debian supports a dual monitor setup...right ? |
| 01:44.33 | Raith | and it has g++/gcc ? |
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| 01:44.50 | DebDeb | yeah raith |
| 01:44.52 | ecliptk | are there any live distros based on debian that have reiserfs v4 support? |
| 01:44.57 | Raith | thanks deb. |
| 01:45.02 | bucky | DebDeb, something is wrong with the syntax of your sources.list |
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| 01:45.15 | kelan | Raith: and you can use g++/gcc on both monitors at once! |
| 01:45.21 | Raith | LOL ! |
| 01:45.25 | Raith | thanks. :) |
| 01:45.26 | DebDeb | Yeah ecliptk , ext2 , ext3 and reiserf |
| 01:45.38 | ecliptk | DebDeb, which ones? |
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| 01:46.10 | DebDeb | I have ext3 ecliptk , Bucky i paste here the log of update? |
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| 01:46.19 | Raith | thanks guys...i'll install debian now |
| 01:46.24 | bucky | DebDeb, no thank you |
| 01:46.29 | kelan | ecliptk: i think he didint understand your question |
| 01:46.55 | bucky | ecliptk, version 4 of reiserfs.. good luc |
| 01:46.59 | ecliptk | my sarge installation is getting resier4 errors and won't load the root partition (/dev/hda4) on boot, but I'm having a hard time finding live cds with resier4 support |
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| 01:47.18 | Azar | how come nvidia-kernel-source is OBSOLETE? Since Debian installer came in play? |
| 01:47.38 | bucky | !apt ping |
| 01:47.38 | Azar | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common <<< |
| 01:47.39 | DebDeb | Bucky , one bootsplash.org where i go to download the verbose mode on index ?\ |
| 01:47.57 | saudilinux | where can i find kde3.4 packages eccept the alioth ones ??? |
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| 01:49.47 | DebDeb | bucky? |
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| 01:50.12 | Azar | why is nvidia-kernel-source obsolete? |
| 01:50.32 | Azar | I just did it on my PC 3 weeks ago with no problem |
| 01:50.46 | theboneman | Azar |
| 01:50.57 | theboneman | with the nvidia installer it lets u pick --kernel-sources or something |
| 01:51.14 | bnoji | What might cause a generic kernel to hang on boot? |
| 01:51.17 | theboneman | so i can build for this exact kernel |
| 01:51.33 | DebDeb | Where i can find a beautiful image boot for grub ??? |
| 01:51.37 | theboneman | bnoji something is seriously screwed up. |
| 01:51.50 | bnoji | I've stripped out all the crap I dont need but it still hangs |
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| 01:51.56 | kelan | Azar: theres a new way now using module-assistant |
| 01:52.07 | bnoji | 2.2.17 is running fine, 2.6.11 is working fine on another machine |
| 01:52.34 | bnoji | Unless I'm missing something... |
| 01:52.50 | shingouz | 2.2.17? isn't that a bit old? |
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| 01:53.03 | bnoji | It is. Which is why I'm installing 2.6.11 |
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| 01:53.21 | shingouz | bnoji: umm... what version of debian you run on that one? |
| 01:53.32 | bnoji | 3.1r0a |
| 01:54.15 | shingouz | bnoji: i have no idea how the hell you got a 2.2 there in that case, just grab a debian 2.6 and it shoudl run nicely |
| 01:54.23 | Azar | I see some stuff already come with the installer |
| 01:54.31 | theboneman | ? |
| 01:54.31 | bnoji | shingouz: I dont want a debian 2. |
| 01:54.35 | bnoji | er, 2.6 |
| 01:54.42 | shingouz | bnoji: what do you want then? |
| 01:55.06 | bnoji | My own...I don't install debian stuff on servers except the base system |
| 01:55.35 | shingouz | bnoji: if you really want to do it that way go ahead. /msg dpkg kp |
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| 01:56.29 | bnoji | shingouz: Normally, it's nto a problem. It's a 10 minute process but this is a new machine and for some reason the kernel doesnt like it. |
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| 01:56.43 | shingouz | bnoji: you have to have either initrd and the root FS as a module or compile everthing needed to access the root FS statically into the kernel if you like to get rid of initrd |
| 01:56.48 | narg | What tool might you use to check how much ram your box detects? |
| 01:56.49 | kelan | breyers makes good butter pecan ice cream |
| 01:56.58 | kelan | narg: free |
| 01:57.01 | bnoji | shingouz: All the required parts are static |
| 01:57.04 | shingouz | bnoji: how about telling me a bit more about the box ten? |
| 01:57.07 | narg | kelan: Thanks. |
| 01:57.08 | bnoji | I dont need mkinitrd |
| 01:57.44 | bnoji | It's a P3 800, ne2k_pci, IDE hdd's |
| 01:57.51 | bnoji | That's all I need. |
| 01:57.55 | narg | *peer* It says I only have 904megs, what I have a gig. |
| 01:57.56 | narg | wierd. |
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| 01:58.06 | shingouz | bnoji: should not need anything fancy then, no sata, no scsi? |
| 01:58.19 | bnoji | shingouz: I have it all deselected. |
| 01:58.22 | narg | Going to memtest my ram, be back later. |
| 01:58.38 | shingouz | bnoji: so what happens? do not keep me guessing |
| 01:58.46 | DebDeb | Hello??? |
| 01:58.56 | shingouz | DebDeb: no, you are not online anymore |
| 01:58.58 | bnoji | But the odd part is, it builds all modules during make modules, even though I hardly have any selected |
| 01:59.07 | kelan | narg: did you use the '-m' switch? |
| 01:59.12 | kelan | too late |
| 01:59.27 | DebDeb | I'm not online ? |
| 01:59.36 | Guerin | DebDeb: nope |
| 01:59.37 | shingouz | bnoji: that is the way it usually seems to do, i am not sure what goes into the package though, i think it leaves out the stuff you do not need |
| 01:59.43 | DebDeb | mmm |
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| 01:59.50 | DebDeb | weird |
| 01:59.51 | kelan | theboneman: do you want to use module-assistant to install nvidia drivers? |
| 01:59.55 | shingouz | DebDeb: you are probably on planet Mars ;) |
| 02:00.01 | bnoji | Anyway, it makes it to LILO, I select the new kernel and directly after pressing enter the screen goes blank for a moment (it looks like X is about to start) then the screen becomes a big jumble (not even full chars, just a mess) |
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| 02:00.15 | DebDeb | :P where i can find a nice boot image for kernel 2.6 plz |
| 02:00.16 | Hablandocontigo | bucky: fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -686 --initrd \ --revision=rev.01 kernel_image \ modules_image |
| 02:00.16 | Hablandocontigo | Error: Unknown target --revision=rev.01 Unknown target modules_image is what I get |
| 02:00.17 | DebDeb | ?? |
| 02:00.24 | shingouz | bnoji: you sure you didnt make some oddities with the framebuffer? |
| 02:00.42 | DebDeb | Shingouz Idea? |
| 02:00.47 | shingouz | DebDeb: what do you mean by that? do you want to install debian? |
| 02:00.54 | bnoji | shingouz: No framebuffer selected. which is why its odd |
| 02:01.00 | DebDeb | i have installed debian |
| 02:01.06 | Azar | kelan, those howto nvidia are cool but obsolete for those who are using the Sarge installer |
| 02:01.07 | bnoji | The config is comletely stripped down |
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| 02:01.15 | Azar | I have no idea what that installer gives or not |
| 02:01.19 | DebDeb | but on start up it's not beautiful... So where i can find a nice boot image for grub ? |
| 02:01.21 | bnoji | I even went to 386 arch just in case |
| 02:01.23 | shingouz | bnoji: check what lilo.conf tells you about the vga is about the only thing i can say at this point |
| 02:01.25 | DebDeb | or a background |
| 02:01.28 | Hablandocontigo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/212 can someone address my problem? |
| 02:01.44 | bnoji | shingouz: its disbaled, I disabled mode selection in the kernel config |
| 02:01.47 | shingouz | DebDeb: wtf do you mean? and do not use the enter that much |
| 02:02.05 | Guerin | Hablandocontigo: why are you building with initrd? |
| 02:02.07 | shingouz | bnoji: the system works well with a debian kernel? |
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| 02:02.19 | Azar | hi mr Guerin |
| 02:02.22 | Guerin | Hablandocontigo: i suspect your --initrd should come after the other parameters |
| 02:02.25 | bnoji | shingouz: Yeah, it has the kernel from the potato install disk |
| 02:02.33 | bnoji | its running fine now |
| 02:02.39 | Guerin | Azar: g'day mayte |
| 02:02.44 | Hablandocontigo | Guerin: Could you please repaste it reordered? |
| 02:02.52 | caphuso | Guerin: i think the "Permission denied" error is the actual problem |
| 02:02.52 | shingouz | bnoji: but you installed sarge, didn't you? |
| 02:02.58 | caphuso | but that's just me |
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| 02:03.04 | bnoji | right, but it doesnt install a new kernel with it |
| 02:03.05 | DebDeb | sry , you know on start up : you have grub and the title of your partition ( example : Windows , Linux ) but the background is very nasty... So i know where i can change the image but i dont know where i can DOWNLOAD it... |
| 02:03.06 | gvandora | i've recently installed debian... if I su root. I can't open anything from that session in an x-window... any suggestions? |
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| 02:03.36 | kelan | Azar: are you running a stock kernel? if so, did you check to see if there's a pre-built module package you can use? |
| 02:03.53 | shingouz | DebDeb: you do not need to SHOUT. i think you refer to bootsplash. unnecessary blingbling |
| 02:03.55 | kelan | Azar: the module-assistant still works |
| 02:04.00 | Guerin | Hablandocontigo: oh, i hadn't seen the paste |
| 02:04.03 | Azar | gvandora try using another tty and login as root, F2, F3, F4 any tty up to F6 |
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| 02:04.21 | DebDeb | yeah bootslpash but where i can find a nice bootsplash plz? |
| 02:04.25 | Azar | kelan, thank you |
| 02:04.26 | Guerin | Hablandocontigo: make sure your user has write access to the whole source tree and parent dir |
| 02:04.28 | kithylin | yip ? |
| 02:04.31 | caphuso | Hablandocontigo: which part of the permission denied message don't you understand? |
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| 02:04.39 | Azar | I need to get my hands on that new Sarge CD to actually see what they did |
| 02:04.41 | kithylin | yo! sciboy! |
| 02:04.44 | kithylin | look at me! |
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| 02:04.58 | shingouz | bnoji: hmm.. maybe it would help if you grabbed a deb 2.6 and checked the hardware works with it first, maybe the installer did something odd with the system when you used a 2.2 |
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| 02:05.00 | cusco | hi... |
| 02:05.06 | Hablandocontigo | Guerin: the part where it can't put files into those directories; I am in src group |
| 02:05.12 | sciboy | Well what do you know. |
| 02:05.13 | gvandora | Azar: I'm using kde and open a konsole... that's when Ican't login after an su. not when I'm runnign from the straight console |
| 02:05.23 | DebDeb | Shingouz: do you know where ? |
| 02:05.24 | cusco | some how my X screen configurations are messed up :( |
| 02:05.31 | caphuso | Hablandocontigo: what does "touch /usr/src/THISISATESTFILE" say? |
| 02:05.32 | sciboy | Whats wrong kithylin? |
| 02:05.35 | shingouz | !aolify DebDeb |
| 02:05.41 | Azar | gvandora, oh kde, sorry I have no idea how that works, I am kde/gnome-free using xdm with Openbox |
| 02:05.45 | phogg | cusco: you'll have to be more descriptive |
| 02:05.50 | shingouz | !tell DebDeb about bootsplash |
| 02:06.04 | Hablandocontigo | Guerin: it's just the kernel image I can't put in a directory, I don't know which one |
| 02:06.08 | Guerin | !tell DebDeb about splashy |
| 02:06.11 | kelan | what is the big deal with apple using intel processors? seems like every other story on slashdot is talking about it |
| 02:06.14 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:06.16 | sciboy | !tell sciboy about the birds and the bees |
| 02:06.18 | kithylin | heh |
| 02:06.20 | kithylin | hi sciboy |
| 02:06.20 | Hablandocontigo | Guerin: I am running the command as user |
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| 02:06.23 | kithylin | reconize me ? :) |
| 02:06.27 | shingouz | DebDeb: read what dpkg sent you, that is about the only thing i know about bootsplash except that it is really unnecessary |
| 02:06.31 | kithylin | Anyway |
| 02:06.41 | SerajewelKS | zinx, xoz, either of you un-idle? |
| 02:06.42 | sciboy | kithylin: Nope, so just ask the question about having trouble with your Radeon chip. |
| 02:06.46 | gvandora | kelan: its the simple.. the world is coming to an end... i guess its akin to pig flying? |
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| 02:06.52 | Hablandocontigo | caphuso: touch: cannot touch `/usr/src/THISISATESTFILE': Permission denied |
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| 02:07.03 | DebDeb | i know lol it's a goodies :P and hum what is the cmd to uncompress a bz2 ? tar -zfx ? |
| 02:07.06 | Guerin | !splashy is a vasic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge alright. |
| 02:07.06 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 02:07.10 | caphuso | Hablandocontigo: see, you don't have permission to write in /usr/src/ |
| 02:07.16 | cusco | well... yes... when GDM starts it shakes to normal.. but if I change tty to full-text mode... its liek I cannot read.. some how I think its my xfree configuration is not good... |
| 02:07.17 | Guerin | !splashy =~ s/vas/bas/ |
| 02:07.17 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 02:07.20 | kithylin | me and sciboy have been spending the past few hours trying to get 3d acceleration on this damn laptop to work right |
| 02:07.21 | shingouz | DebDeb: tar xjf |
| 02:07.27 | shingouz | DebDeb: man tar |
| 02:07.28 | cusco | I also was playoing armagetronad and the graphics just suck |
| 02:07.28 | kithylin | it's a HP zv5000 series, zv5240 |
| 02:07.33 | caphuso | Hablandocontigo: which means you either broke its permissions and ownership or you are not member of the src group |
| 02:07.37 | sciboy | Since i was the one helping out, we naturally failed. |
| 02:07.43 | Hablandocontigo | caphuso: src:x:40:usuario |
| 02:07.48 | caphuso | Hablandocontigo: meaningless |
| 02:07.49 | DebDeb | thx |
| 02:07.52 | sciboy | We would appreciate the help from any other ATI users in the room. |
| 02:07.54 | kithylin | with the Radeon 9000 IGP (M9) intergrated video card |
| 02:07.55 | bnoji | shingouz: Ok. It does it with 2.6.11.11 and 2.6.11.10 |
| 02:07.56 | Guerin | Hablandocontigo: or you haven't refreshed groups since joining the src group |
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| 02:08.03 | caphuso | Hablandocontigo: does "id" report you as being a member? |
| 02:08.14 | kithylin | has anyone had any success in getting this video card to work under xfce4 ? |
| 02:08.15 | shingouz | bnoji: works with them? now try with the custom one |
| 02:08.18 | kithylin | did i spell that right sciboy ? |
| 02:08.20 | DebDeb | weird not goot |
| 02:08.33 | bnoji | shingouz: no, its not working with either. |
| 02:08.33 | kithylin | Okay |
| 02:08.33 | Guerin | kithylin: xfce4 cares nothing for your choice of video card |
| 02:08.34 | kithylin | X period ? |
| 02:08.36 | Hablandocontigo | nah I was doing most of this through ssh -l usuario localhost because that way the group file was read |
| 02:08.46 | DebDeb | tar.bz2 |
| 02:08.52 | shingouz | bnoji: that is real odd then |
| 02:09.00 | SerajewelKS | has anyone else had issues with system drift on kernel 2.6.11-1-686? |
| 02:09.00 | cusco | is there a tutorial that helps me to configure the xfree86 or something? |
| 02:09.00 | shingouz | DebDeb: ? |
| 02:09.10 | gvandora | Hablandocontigo: de donde eres? |
| 02:09.16 | sciboy | Yup, we got the kernel drivers for the card installed but we can't seem to get the XF86Config-4 right, No opengl =( |
| 02:09.16 | SerajewelKS | i recently discovered that not only the system clock drifts ahead ... everything does |
| 02:09.18 | DebDeb | tar -xjf file.tar.bz2 but noting |
| 02:09.19 | shingouz | !tell cusco about drxx |
| 02:09.21 | SerajewelKS | MP3s play faster |
| 02:09.21 | cusco | I don't even know what X driver to use |
| 02:09.24 | Hablandocontigo | gvandora: Chicago |
| 02:09.25 | Guerin | !tell cusco about set up x |
| 02:09.28 | SerajewelKS | any time-related stuff happens early |
| 02:09.34 | Guerin | cusco: that will try to detect for you. |
| 02:09.50 | shingouz | DebDeb: nothing? what do you mean nothing? do an ls there now |
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| 02:10.08 | Hablandocontigo | caphuso: I think it may work now, I re-ssh-ed in |
| 02:10.10 | kelan | SerajewelKS: well time is always drifting forward. how else could we experience anything |
| 02:10.16 | DebDeb | yeah i have ls but no new directory |
| 02:10.18 | kelan | we'd be frozen! |
| 02:10.18 | DebDeb | weird |
| 02:10.20 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: sound slike you have the sound somehow messed |
| 02:10.36 | SerajewelKS | kelan, drifting faster than normal |
| 02:10.37 | shingouz | DebDeb: no errors whatsoever? |
| 02:10.38 | mulder_ | Anybody have issues with ftp-ssl not wanting to enter ssl mode with pure-ftpd ? |
| 02:10.45 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, the sound doesn't control the system clock, does it? |
| 02:10.50 | shingouz | DebDeb: information, i need information before i can help |
| 02:10.51 | DebDeb | no but it's good :) |
| 02:10.56 | DebDeb | it's good now |
| 02:10.57 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: not that i know |
| 02:11.06 | DebDeb | thx |
| 02:11.10 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, then the sound config is fine. the system clock drifts about 1 minute per hour |
| 02:11.23 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, and MP3s play somewhere in the range of 105%-120% faster |
| 02:11.38 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: that is not good. i am not sure what makes it happen but i have heard it several times here on the channel |
| 02:11.39 | SerajewelKS | this doesn't happen on 2.6.8 |
| 02:11.43 | DebDeb | shingouz , on bootsplash.org i download only the .bz2 ? |
| 02:12.09 | DebDeb | on the file juste have a .jpg... |
| 02:12.20 | shingouz | DebDeb: i know nothing about how to make a bootsplash. nothing. nada. zip. niente |
| 02:12.21 | zumbi | DebDeb, bootsplash.de |
| 02:12.24 | cusco | Guerin: thanks |
| 02:12.32 | DebDeb | oki thx |
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| 02:12.39 | SerajewelKS | now that sarge is released, will "stable" be updated at all? |
| 02:12.39 | phogg | !thx |
| 02:12.39 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
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| 02:12.59 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: only security. |
| 02:13.05 | shingouz | DebDeb: and i thnk you should not install that either, it is really a stupid idea to hide the system messages on boot even if XP does that |
| 02:13.06 | phogg | SerajewelKS: stable was just updated |
| 02:13.09 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, okay, and "testing"'s code-name is what? |
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| 02:13.15 | cthulfuego | !etch |
| 02:13.15 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
| 02:13.26 | SerajewelKS | okay |
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| 02:13.40 | SerajewelKS | so if i leave my apt policy to prefer "testing" i won't be getting sid |
| 02:13.41 | cthulfuego | as in Etch-a-Sketch |
| 02:13.44 | DebDeb | no xp! i hate win |
| 02:13.53 | cthulfuego | SerajewelKS: Sid will _always_ be unstable. |
| 02:13.58 | theboneman | well... id rather use windows for like gaming.. and stuff |
| 02:13.59 | SerajewelKS | okay |
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| 02:14.02 | cthulfuego | SerajewelKS: Etch is forked from Sarge, not from Sid. |
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| 02:14.20 | gvandora | exit |
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| 02:14.25 | faw | i'm facing a small problem in a sarge machine |
| 02:14.41 | shingouz | faw: tell us more |
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| 02:14.46 | faw | iptable -t nat "anything" is telling me that iptables need to be updated |
| 02:14.52 | faw | or need an update kernel |
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| 02:15.03 | shingouz | faw: uname -a |
| 02:15.08 | phogg | theboneman: Real men don't like games that don't run under Linux. |
| 02:15.08 | Guerin | faw: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 02:15.22 | faw | # iptables -t nat -L |
| 02:15.22 | faw | iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 02:15.22 | faw | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 02:15.26 | wyang | test |
| 02:15.30 | faw | Guerin, hmmm... let me try |
| 02:15.39 | shingouz | wyang: no, you are not online ;) |
| 02:15.45 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, have you heard of any ways to fix this drift? |
| 02:15.55 | Scrape | argh. Anyone know (a) why backuppc can't seem to restore all of my files (tar failures on certain archives) and (b) what a suitable alternative backup-multiple-hosts-to-hard-drive program might be? |
| 02:15.59 | SerajewelKS | somehow hearing madonna sing that high makes my ears itch |
| 02:16.01 | mfrisch | Does anyone use AMP and FWD? |
| 02:16.09 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: sorry, i haven't been following the conversations |
| 02:16.14 | Guerin | Scrape: rsnapshot |
| 02:16.26 | Scrape | Guerin: saw that reviewed somewhere |
| 02:16.26 | cthulfuego | faw: Perhaps your kernel need nat support. |
| 02:16.32 | Guerin | Scrape: it's the shit. |
| 02:16.33 | cthulfuego | faw: Are you running it as root? |
| 02:16.44 | shingouz | faw: uname -a |
| 02:16.44 | faw | yes, I' m running as root and it is Debian kernel |
| 02:16.47 | faw | 2.6.8-2 |
| 02:16.51 | Scrape | Guerin: any issues? like I said, having problems w/ backuppc restoring some archives |
| 02:17.04 | faw | Linux tinc.cathedrallabs.org 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:17.09 | SerajewelKS | dammit, i'm using the latest kernel that debian has packaged, too |
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| 02:17.16 | theboneman | er |
| 02:17.16 | SerajewelKS | for 686 anyway |
| 02:17.22 | faw | Guerin, ipmasq is not what I want... :) |
| 02:17.33 | Guerin | Scrape: well, it just rsyncs the whole lot onto another filesystem of your choosing |
| 02:17.35 | mfrisch | Scrape dump... |
| 02:17.36 | zumbi | faw, why don't you try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 02:17.47 | faw | zumbi, already done |
| 02:17.49 | Guerin | Scrape: so if you want to restore something, you just use cp -a |
| 02:17.50 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: the issue has been talked about here but i am not aware of what causes it |
| 02:17.51 | theboneman | /bin/sh: line 1: less: command not found |
| 02:17.54 | faw | zumbi, using aptitude and apt-get |
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| 02:18.02 | theboneman | ... |
| 02:18.05 | Scrape | well, God-willing it'll all work... time to go and reinstall my web server, sob |
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| 02:18.14 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, well it's kernel-related /somehow/ |
| 02:18.16 | shingouz | theboneman: what was the command you tried to use |
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| 02:18.49 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, whether that means that it's the kernel's fault, or that i have faulty hardware that has just been given a linux driver |
| 02:19.01 | SerajewelKS | and therefore "works" now, by screwing everything up |
| 02:19.03 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: i think so too. i have a 2.6.11.11 with some serious patches running here and it is rock solid. i am not aware what and how the debian 2.6.11 is done though |
| 02:19.35 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: i think it has to have something to do with the kernel but i have no clue what it would be |
| 02:19.37 | zumbi | faw, cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep IPTABLES |
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| 02:19.52 | shingouz | maybe you should go one step down with the kernel, SerajewelKS |
| 02:19.56 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, i originally upgraded because 2.6.8 wouldn't detect my joystick |
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| 02:20.07 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, in fact, plugging in my joystick will kill USB entirely |
| 02:20.14 | faw | zumbi, no /usr/src/linux |
| 02:20.19 | Weedy | need help |
| 02:20.21 | faw | zumbi, it is a debian packaged kernel |
| 02:20.30 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: wow. tried the .9 or .10 |
| 02:20.34 | mfrisch | Weedy :)~ |
| 02:20.38 | shingouz | !tell Weedy about ask |
| 02:20.49 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, those aren't available anymore from what i can see |
| 02:20.49 | Weedy | ok |
| 02:20.54 | faw | zumbi, I just purged iptables and install it again and the problem remains... :( |
| 02:20.57 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: oh |
| 02:20.58 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, unless i can get previous versions of debian packages from somewhere |
| 02:20.59 | Weedy | dies during install base system |
| 02:21.03 | bnoji | shingouz: The debian 2.6.8-2 package did the same thing. |
| 02:21.04 | zumbi | sorry faw cat /boot/config-<kernel> | grep IPTABLES |
| 02:21.13 | shingouz | !tell SerajewelKS about pdo |
| 02:21.30 | faw | # cat /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 |grep IPTABLES |
| 02:21.30 | faw | CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m |
| 02:21.30 | faw | CONFIG_IP6_NF_IPTABLES=m |
| 02:21.31 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, yeah, uh, it's either 2.6.8 or 2.6.11 |
| 02:21.36 | Weedy | debootstrap error (return value 1) |
| 02:21.40 | SerajewelKS | or 2.6.10 for sparc and other weird systems |
| 02:21.44 | zumbi | faw lsmod |
| 02:21.50 | theboneman | rofl |
| 02:21.54 | bnoji | So, custom 2.6.11.11 and 2.6.11.10 kernels failed and a debian 2.6.8-2 kernel failed the same way |
| 02:21.55 | theboneman | debootstrap error = true |
| 02:22.01 | faw | zumbi, it is a big list of modules |
| 02:22.06 | shingouz | there is another site too but i forget what it is called. archives.d.o? |
| 02:22.09 | faw | zumbi, what are we looking for? :) |
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| 02:22.16 | zumbi | iptables modules |
| 02:22.17 | trave11er | shingouz: snapshot.d.n |
| 02:22.32 | Weedy | so what can i do about the errror? |
| 02:22.32 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: what trave11er jsut said |
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| 02:22.52 | faw | zumbi, hmmm... iptable_nat is not there |
| 02:23.03 | faw | and if I modprobe it I get some "symbol errors" |
| 02:23.15 | shingouz | Weedy: in unix it is the first error that counts |
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| 02:23.23 | Weedy | ok |
| 02:23.23 | zumbi | faw, insmod, modconf |
| 02:23.24 | Weedy | so |
| 02:23.30 | Weedy | how do i fix it? |
| 02:23.45 | Weedy | like i need to install the base system but i get this all the time |
| 02:23.47 | trave11er | Weedy: did it give you any other info? |
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| 02:24.07 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, that site is escaping my regex metacharacters =/ |
| 02:24.18 | shingouz | Weedy: what is the *first* error there? |
| 02:24.22 | iLLf8d | anyone got skype going? Any chance we can chat so I can test my setup? |
| 02:24.27 | Weedy | check /var/log/messages or see virt console 3 |
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| 02:24.40 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: hehe.. don't use that many regexes then :) |
| 02:24.41 | Weedy | this is the first box |
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| 02:24.48 | trave11er | Weedy: are you using official installer images? |
| 02:24.48 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, i'm trying to use a dot... |
| 02:24.49 | mfrisch | iLLf8d skype sucks |
| 02:24.54 | _meppl_ | gute nacht |
| 02:24.57 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, kernel-image-2.6.10-.*686 |
| 02:24.57 | shingouz | Weedy: the check the third console |
| 02:24.58 | trave11er | Weedy: sarge ones? |
| 02:25.01 | Weedy | [10:14p] <Weedy> http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 02:25.01 | Weedy | [10:14p] <Weedy> i386 |
| 02:25.04 | faw | zumbi, hmmm, symbol error messages, which is not good :o) |
| 02:25.07 | Weedy | stable |
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| 02:25.21 | shingouz | Weedy: do not paste here. /msg dpkg paster |
| 02:25.32 | SerajewelKS | trave11er, how do i use a regex metacharacter on snapshot.d.n? |
| 02:25.33 | zumbi | faw, what about getting another kernel-image or compile yours ? |
| 02:25.42 | theboneman | d |
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| 02:26.03 | theboneman | wtf is goin |
| 02:26.04 | shingouz | Weedy: before i can even begin to figure out what is wrong there i need to know what you did and what the *first* error message is. without that info i cannot help |
| 02:26.05 | theboneman | ok |
| 02:26.14 | Weedy | well |
| 02:26.16 | trave11er | SerajewelKS: you kernel package will be called kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 02:26.21 | trave11er | or -2-686 |
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| 02:26.29 | Weedy | shingouz pm? |
| 02:26.32 | shingouz | no |
| 02:26.33 | theboneman | ok |
| 02:26.38 | Weedy | here then? |
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| 02:26.46 | SerajewelKS | trave11er, right, i want to get all those in one list, so how do i search for a "pattern" as it implies i can? |
| 02:26.47 | shingouz | !tell Weedy about paster |
| 02:26.53 | shingouz | !wb karsten |
| 02:26.54 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! karsten has returned! |
| 02:26.57 | trave11er | SerajewelKS: no idea |
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| 02:27.12 | trave11er | Weedy: try another mirror as the first step |
| 02:27.25 | trave11er | Weedy: like archive.progeny.com, or something |
| 02:27.33 | Weedy | well |
| 02:27.42 | Weedy | i clicked the check cd option |
| 02:27.43 | shingouz | trave11er: progeny? |
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| 02:27.53 | Weedy | it says it passed |
| 02:27.57 | trave11er | shingouz: yeah, a very stable mirror |
| 02:28.00 | shingouz | Weedy: clicked? what are you installing there? |
| 02:28.17 | Weedy | err arrow keys and enter |
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| 02:28.22 | shingouz | k |
| 02:28.27 | SerajewelKS | trave11er, am i seeing right? this site provides /source/ packages? |
| 02:28.40 | trave11er | SerajewelKS: they provide all packages |
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| 02:28.44 | trave11er | both source and binary |
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| 02:28.58 | trave11er | hmmm |
| 02:29.13 | shingouz | Weedy: i still need information. what were you trying to do and what was the *FIRST* error. i have asked this at least twice already |
| 02:29.25 | SerajewelKS | trave11er, can i get a binary package from the web, or do i need to screw with my apt sources? |
| 02:29.46 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: just grab them and use dpkg -i foo on them |
| 02:29.59 | SerajewelKS | shingouz, yeah but ... oh, found it |
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| 02:30.12 | SerajewelKS | those .debs are hiding pretty well |
| 02:30.23 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: i guess they are shy |
| 02:30.34 | shingouz | maybe you lok threatening |
| 02:30.36 | bnoji | shingouz: It did it with a debian 2.4.27 kernel too |
| 02:30.37 | shingouz | look even |
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| 02:30.40 | SerajewelKS | this site must have a few hard drives ;) |
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| 02:31.11 | shingouz | bnoji: i have *no* idea what to tell you. i am guessing the 2.2 has somehow screwed up the install real bad |
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| 02:31.47 | *** topic/#debian is SARGE RELEASED. | SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 02:31.47 | paster | "Weedy" at 69.197.36.142 pasted "my problem" (11 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/213 |
| 02:32.15 | Weedy | shingouz |
| 02:32.18 | mfrisch | iLLf8d I will install and test real quick...but it sucks |
| 02:32.23 | shingouz | bnoji: personally i would just do a basic install of the sarge install cd and then start customizing the system. go with the sarge install kernel and so on.. |
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| 02:32.43 | shingouz | Weedy: i see.. |
| 02:32.59 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: thanks |
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| 02:33.16 | Weedy | i see the progress bar and then that |
| 02:33.26 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: I'm no huge fan of it or anything my lugs just planning to use it for a few sig meetings |
| 02:34.12 | shingouz | Weedy: check ver/log/meassges or see virtualt console 3 for the details |
| 02:34.12 | shingouz | <-- why the hell don't you do as i told you several times? |
| 02:34.21 | Weedy | i dont know how |
| 02:34.28 | shingouz | alt-F3 |
| 02:34.39 | Weedy | ahh |
| 02:34.50 | Weedy | that in the error msg would have helped |
| 02:34.54 | Weedy | -_- |
| 02:34.58 | shingouz | Weedy: you haven't read the install manual i suppose |
| 02:35.10 | Weedy | eyes glazed over |
| 02:35.17 | shingouz | Weedy: excellent... |
| 02:35.30 | shingouz | (has anyone seen my silver platter...) |
| 02:35.36 | mfrisch | iLLf8d its not in my sources...I have had good luck with asterisk * you can use many different services protocals and clients |
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| 02:35.57 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: oh yeah? |
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| 02:36.00 | iLLf8d | can you recommend a client? |
| 02:36.14 | iLLf8d | preferably one thats debd |
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| 02:36.25 | iLLf8d | I can compile in whatever but my cohorts perhaps not |
| 02:36.28 | Weedy | err http://debootstrap.invalid sarge main eject 2.0.13deb-8sarge2 |
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| 02:36.36 | Weedy | thats the first error line |
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| 02:36.58 | mfrisch | iLLf8d I use kiax |
| 02:37.10 | shingouz | Weedy: trying to get the stuff off the internet or the cd? |
| 02:37.11 | Weedy | could not resolve debootstrap.invalid |
| 02:37.28 | Weedy | [10:24p] <Weedy> [10:14p] <Weedy> http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 02:37.36 | shingouz | Weedy: do you have the network up? |
| 02:37.40 | Weedy | yes |
| 02:37.49 | Weedy | im talking to you now arnt i? |
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| 02:38.02 | shingouz | Weedy: on the debian system you are trying to install |
| 02:38.05 | shingouz | dammit |
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| 02:38.21 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: no debs for that either huh |
| 02:38.34 | Weedy | cables pluged in comp shows up in router dhcp list |
| 02:38.43 | _NiNJA_ | hello all |
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| 02:38.56 | mfrisch | iLLf8d and voipjet services debs are on the sourceforge page. |
| 02:39.06 | shingouz | Weedy: enter the second console and ping www.google.com, stop the ping with ctrl-c |
| 02:39.12 | theboneman | shingouz |
| 02:39.17 | shingouz | theboneman |
| 02:39.19 | theboneman | pm ? |
| 02:39.21 | shingouz | no |
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| 02:39.32 | theboneman | ok how would i install latest nvidia drivers.. |
| 02:39.42 | theboneman | is there anyway throught the nvidia installer |
| 02:39.44 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:39.45 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:39.48 | faw | zumbi, we test with -386 ans it works |
| 02:39.58 | trave11er | theboneman: yes, you need the kernel-headers package for that |
| 02:40.01 | shingouz | theboneman: i do not use nvidia |
| 02:40.09 | sciboy | (EE) Failed to load module "agpgart" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 02:40.10 | faw | now I' m going to test with another 686 ans check if it is a local problem, or a bug, it is missing a symbol in kernel |
| 02:40.16 | sciboy | How can it not exist? |
| 02:40.33 | shingouz | sciboy: custom kernel? |
| 02:40.34 | zumbi | ok, faw |
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| 02:40.41 | faw | zumbi, thanks :) |
| 02:40.44 | sciboy | shingouz: Nope, stock =/ |
| 02:40.55 | zumbi | faw, welcome |
| 02:41.00 | shingouz | sciboy: modprobe the agpgart |
| 02:41.33 | shingouz | Weedy: did you fall asleep? |
| 02:41.55 | mfrisch | iLLf8d downloading skype give me a minute. |
| 02:42.16 | Weedy | yes i did |
| 02:42.26 | Weedy | im trying something |
| 02:42.31 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: any chance you could query me? or me you? |
| 02:42.34 | theboneman | now that guy is flooding ;\ |
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| 02:42.57 | theboneman | shingouz yeap :\ |
| 02:43.02 | shingouz | Weedy: if you like to get some help do as i told you without going solo or this will take forever |
| 02:43.17 | mfrisch | iLLf8d I am droopy423. I need to install then configure it first |
| 02:43.38 | _NiNJA_ | sciboy: check you have the apgpgart compiled in the kernel ... first check "dmesg" to see if it loads on boot .. and if you cant see it check it in the kernel config |
| 02:43.38 | Weedy | it was showing up wierd in my routers list |
| 02:43.38 | mfrisch | shingouz thats why I went to * |
| 02:43.38 | greg | can someone help with my pcmcia wireless card? i have followed all instructions i have found. i have gotten the driver installed and it shows up when i check it on the cmd line but when i do modprobe it gives fatal error saying module cannot be found even though there is a modules.pcmcia file i am running on kernel 2.6.8 its a linksys wpc54g ver 4 |
| 02:43.58 | Weedy | i changed the static DHCP list |
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| 02:44.05 | tkiesel | Hi all. |
| 02:44.07 | Weedy | i think thats why it could not connect |
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| 02:44.27 | shingouz | mfrisch: what are you talking about? |
| 02:44.29 | theboneman | i think debian on a psp would be ownage :] |
| 02:44.38 | mfrisch | shingouz asterisk... |
| 02:44.59 | Weedy | there is a linux for psp project |
| 02:45.09 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: I installed kiax |
| 02:45.09 | tkiesel | Does anyone know of a live CD or rescue disk that can pull the license key from a borked Windows XP install? My wife's needing to reinstall Windows, and finding the license will be problematic.. we just moved. lol. |
| 02:45.12 | Weedy | shingouz i think i fixed it |
| 02:45.22 | SerajewelKS | linux for GBA! :> |
| 02:45.24 | Weedy | it seems to be dling stuff |
| 02:45.25 | Guerin | shingouz: i just want a free skype client |
| 02:45.26 | tvn | I have this line "lc1:/nfs_server /nfs_server nfs rw,suid,timeo=14,auto" in /etc/fstab of the client, but when the client reboots, it won't auto mount the nfs dir from lc1 as I expect |
| 02:45.42 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, the skype client is free... |
| 02:45.51 | shingouz | mfrisch: oh. you are talking about skype. asterisk is good but afaik it cannot connect to skype clients. i have no other option than to use skype because i seem to be surrounded by dipshits who simply cannot use anything else |
| 02:45.53 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: is most certainly is NOT. |
| 02:45.53 | ecliptk | tvn, put a 0 0 at the end of the line |
| 02:45.53 | black13 | tkiesel, knoppix can read ntfs partions |
| 02:45.58 | Guerin | s/is/it/ |
| 02:46.07 | shingouz | Guerin: a free skype would be good too.. |
| 02:46.09 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, well, it's freeware anyway |
| 02:46.18 | black13 | tkiesel, bute wereyou would find the liscense key that is another issue |
| 02:46.20 | Guerin | !tell SerajewelKS about free software |
| 02:46.25 | Guerin | !rmssmite SerajewelKS |
| 02:46.41 | toresbe | how do you diff the factoid? |
| 02:46.50 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, i know the difference between "freeware" and "free software." you said "free" which is ambiguous between them. |
| 02:46.51 | toresbe | RMS worked on a PDP-*10*! A 10! |
| 02:46.53 | tkiesel | black13: Thanks. Yeah. The key is the difficult bit. lol. |
| 02:46.53 | shingouz | wooo.. now *that* is a smite, almost like vogon poetry |
| 02:46.56 | mfrisch | shingouz AMP is cool to set it up skype evil |
| 02:46.59 | toresbe | the -7 was barely ever timeshared |
| 02:47.01 | trave11er | shingouz: unfortunately, "everything else" involves installation instructions like "enable forwarding of a few thousand tcp/udp ports on your router" :-) |
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| 02:47.12 | black13 | tkiesel, what type machine is it? |
| 02:47.14 | tkiesel | black13: She wants to use GNU/Linux, but Photoshop is a deal-breaker app for her. |
| 02:47.20 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no it's not. This is a free software channel. |
| 02:47.20 | shingouz | mfrisch: you need to teach a few of the dickweeds i have to work with |
| 02:47.20 | toresbe | the -10 was a big machine, 36-bits |
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| 02:47.34 | toresbe | someone needs to change that :P |
| 02:47.38 | toresbe | nite friends |
| 02:47.38 | black13 | tkiesel, use the gimp or get a copy of vmware or dual boot |
| 02:47.42 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, this is an IRC channel about debian |
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| 02:47.58 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ... the biggest and best free software OS to ever exist. |
| 02:48.04 | tkiesel | black13: Vmware is attractive, but won't she still need the license key for the install? |
| 02:48.16 | shingouz | !clue SerajewelKS |
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| 02:49.20 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: hrm mics not working |
| 02:49.21 | black13 | tkiesel, yeah if you have lost the licsence to you windos os ... |
| 02:49.29 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: gotta figure out which mixer settings the right one for it |
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| 02:49.43 | tkiesel | black13: We'll dig it up, given time. *laughing and grumbling all at once* |
| 02:49.52 | mfrisch | iLLf8d did you hear me |
| 02:50.02 | iLLf8d | yeah I can hear you |
| 02:50.10 | iLLf8d | can't no mic tho it seems hrm |
| 02:50.16 | shingouz | iLLf8d: scary, isn't it? |
| 02:50.16 | iLLf8d | tho I know the mics working |
| 02:50.20 | iLLf8d | just not in the app |
| 02:50.36 | tvn | Eclipser: here's the line in fstab , it still does not mount the dir on reboot , lc1:/nfs_server /nfs_server nfs rw,suid,timeo=14,auto 0 0 |
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| 02:50.44 | shingouz | iLLf8d: i hope you are using alsa or you will have a hell of a time making it work |
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| 02:51.07 | mfrisch | iLLf8d around 60 for the mic make sure its not muted |
| 02:51.12 | iLLf8d | this is a canned kernel atm I think its not alsa |
| 02:51.23 | iLLf8d | I've had it running in alsa before tho skype I mean |
| 02:51.32 | shingouz | iLLf8d: 2.6? and do you have some sound daemon running? |
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| 02:51.46 | Guerin | as long as you have oss emulation, alsa should work transparently |
| 02:51.47 | shingouz | skype needs the alsa-oss too |
| 02:51.48 | iLLf8d | no sound daemon atm |
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| 02:51.50 | SerajewelKS | sound daemons suck... |
| 02:51.55 | shingouz | egs |
| 02:51.58 | shingouz | eggs |
| 02:52.02 | ecliptk | tvn, jezebel:/home/Upload /mnt/jezebel/Upload nfs rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 that's what I have, no auto and it loads everytime on bootup (well, when my NFS server works.... haha) |
| 02:52.05 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: lemme recompile a kernel and move it over ok? |
| 02:52.07 | Guerin | !eggs shingouz |
| 02:52.07 | dpkg | ops, please ban shingouz |
| 02:52.12 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:52.14 | shingouz | hehe |
| 02:52.14 | ugly | is there a "Debian Way" of configuring WEP? or should I just make my own init.d script with iwconfig commands? |
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| 02:52.23 | iLLf8d | will be oh bout 10-15 min? |
| 02:52.29 | Guerin | !factinfo cmd: eggs (.*?) |
| 02:52.29 | dpkg | CMD: eggs (.*?) -- created by cafuego <~cafuego@macchiato.cc.com.au> at Sun Dec 12 23:05:40 2004 (181 days). |
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| 02:52.34 | tvn | Eclipser: what's rsize and wsize options for ? |
| 02:52.37 | ecliptk | ugly, just install all the wireless tools then mod your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:52.37 | oklinux | any one here use evilwm ? |
| 02:52.51 | ugly | ecliptk: it can be done from there? ok |
| 02:52.55 | mfrisch | iLLf8d ok |
| 02:53.03 | Guerin | !cmd: eggs (.*?) =~ s/$1/cafuego/ |
| 02:53.05 | shingouz | Guerin: uh.. what is the thing with the aigs here then? |
| 02:53.17 | SerajewelKS | !tell oklinux about anyone |
| 02:53.33 | Guerin | shingouz: eh? |
| 02:54.03 | ecliptk | ugly, yup yup, you just add the wireless options for the card, one sec and I'll find ya a link |
| 02:54.05 | shingouz | Guerin: aigs. you jsut tolt dpkg to ask the ops to ban me for using the word e**s ;) |
| 02:54.25 | cthulfuego | !cmd: eggs (.*?) =~ s/$1/cafuego/ |
| 02:54.31 | Guerin | shingouz: the stupid devourer or worlds fucked up the factoid |
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| 02:54.36 | Guerin | of worlds, even |
| 02:54.40 | cthulfuego | Guerin: No, YOu did. |
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| 02:54.58 | shingouz | i think i am officially lost now :o |
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| 02:55.44 | shingouz | in anycase with the amount of typos i generate i'd better go get a few hours of sleep |
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| 02:56.16 | zumbi | !kiss shingouz |
| 02:56.28 | cthulfuego | Guerin: See how it was _created_ by me, not _modified_? |
| 02:56.53 | Guerin | cthulfuego: damn bot isn't logging changes anymore |
| 02:57.00 | shingouz | zumbi: i think that is pretty much impossible for you to do |
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| 02:57.12 | cthulfuego | Guerin: I wouldn't have deleted, then added. |
| 02:57.21 | cthulfuego | ~factinfo eggs |
| 02:57.22 | apt | eggs -- created by Tzu <~tzu@host217-34-239-225.in-addr.btopenworld.com> at Mon Dec 31 02:51:00 2001 (1259 days); has not been requested yet. |
| 02:57.30 | cthulfuego | ~factinfo cmd: eggs (.*?) |
| 02:57.30 | apt | there's no such factoid as cmd: eggs (.*?), cthulfuego |
| 02:57.43 | dan2 | cthulfuego: whats with the new nick? |
| 02:57.44 | cthulfuego | @factinfo cmd: eggs (.*?) |
| 02:57.45 | zumbi | shingouz, it wasn't me, it was dpkg |
| 02:57.45 | ravenbird | there's no such factoid as cmd: eggs (.*?), cthulfuego |
| 02:58.00 | shingouz | zumbi: in anycase :) |
| 02:58.08 | dan2 | cthulfuego: i'm homeless anyway |
| 02:58.08 | dan2 | :) |
| 02:58.11 | ecliptk | ugly, check out /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 02:58.21 | ugly | ecliptk: thanks |
| 02:58.30 | shingouz | zumbi: unless you are past 7 feet that is :p |
| 02:59.04 | zumbi | xD |
| 02:59.12 | shingouz | 6'9 |
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| 02:59.29 | cthulfuego | 512Mb |
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| 03:00.01 | mfrisch | did they fix the gnome prob in unstable yet? |
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| 03:00.46 | dan2 | cthulfuego: Java isn't so bad |
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| 03:00.53 | shingouz | bah, i |
| 03:00.54 | dan2 | cthulfuego: now that containers have generics |
| 03:01.23 | shingouz | i'll take my 6'9 carcass and go to sleep. behave |
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| 03:01.31 | Raith | hey guys..just installed debian...errr...it asks me to login..and then it tells me stuff about the copyright and then it says, $raith@rekotik or something |
| 03:01.46 | Raith | and if i type in something...it's something with the bash or something..it's basically the terminal loading.. |
| 03:01.51 | Raith | how do i get to the graphical part? |
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| 03:02.13 | mfrisch | Raith startx |
| 03:02.24 | Raith | so everytime i boot |
| 03:02.26 | Raith | i type that? |
| 03:02.48 | kerneld_ | Rait: When it rebooted after installing the base, and it asked you which roles you wanted to use it for, what did you pic? X Desktop (I think that was an option) |
| 03:02.50 | mfrisch | Raith if X is installed |
| 03:02.59 | gpfreitas | Raith, have you installed X? |
| 03:03.05 | Raith | i don't know..i picked desktop |
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| 03:03.09 | Raith | instead of server...etc.. |
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| 03:03.19 | Raith | instead of sever, mysql server..etc..i picked, "desktop" |
| 03:03.27 | mfrisch | Raith type startx |
| 03:03.32 | gpfreitas | Hmmm |
| 03:03.33 | kerneld_ | If you use the x desktop task, you should have been asked to configure x etc. |
| 03:03.58 | Raith | didn't ask me..i just rebooted and thought the terminal would go away.. |
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| 03:04.03 | kerneld_ | Did you get asked about monitor config etx? |
| 03:04.07 | Raith | nope |
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| 03:04.16 | Raith | havn't booted the graphical interface yet |
| 03:04.17 | Raith | just terminal |
| 03:04.24 | Raith | asked me for my mail and stuff..but that's it.. |
| 03:04.28 | Raith | should i reinstall ? |
| 03:04.44 | gpfreitas | no |
| 03:04.51 | gpfreitas | this is last resource |
| 03:04.54 | mfrisch | Raith type apt-get install x-system-core |
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| 03:05.32 | Raith | it asked me which i wanted..i chose http..for apt get |
| 03:05.44 | Raith | so i type that..and then startx? |
| 03:05.48 | gpfreitas | Do you already know if you want kde, gnome, fluxbox...? |
| 03:06.00 | Raith | well..i was hoping i could get gnome.. |
| 03:06.04 | gpfreitas | ok |
| 03:06.06 | gpfreitas | type |
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| 03:06.17 | gpfreitas | aptitude install gnome |
| 03:06.20 | gpfreitas | (as root) |
| 03:06.35 | Raith | so i login as root |
| 03:06.37 | Raith | and the password ? |
| 03:06.40 | gpfreitas | then you will have gnome installed |
| 03:07.01 | Raith | the aptitude command is AFTER apt-get install x-system-core right...? |
| 03:07.01 | gpfreitas | well, you have set up a root acount during the installation process, right? |
| 03:07.06 | Raith | yeah... |
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| 03:07.15 | gpfreitas | no need to install x-system-core in this case |
| 03:07.25 | gpfreitas | its necessary parts will come as dependencies. |
| 03:07.29 | Raith | ahh |
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| 03:07.33 | rixth | What's the easiest way to make a boot disc but on a CD? |
| 03:07.44 | Raith | so aptitutude only |
| 03:07.45 | Raith | right ? |
| 03:07.48 | gpfreitas | Yes |
| 03:07.52 | gpfreitas | aptitude install gnome |
| 03:07.55 | Raith | alright |
| 03:07.56 | gpfreitas | this will get you gnome |
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| 03:07.59 | Raith | thanks so much gp. :) |
| 03:08.10 | gpfreitas | after that, I think it wont launch the graphical interface |
| 03:08.16 | Raith | it won't? |
| 03:08.16 | gpfreitas | if it does not |
| 03:08.21 | gpfreitas | I can't remember |
| 03:08.29 | Raith | if it doesn't..."startx" ?? |
| 03:08.29 | Guerin | i think gnome pulls in gdm |
| 03:08.30 | gpfreitas | if it doesn't |
| 03:08.37 | gpfreitas | I think too |
| 03:08.40 | gpfreitas | But, just in case |
| 03:08.44 | gpfreitas | if it doesn't |
| 03:08.44 | Subvertir | Yeah, I think guerin is right |
| 03:08.56 | Raith | if it doesn't... |
| 03:08.58 | gpfreitas | you should type /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 03:09.01 | gpfreitas | as root |
| 03:09.10 | gpfreitas | and this must get you in your graphical login. |
| 03:09.18 | Raith | alright |
| 03:09.18 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: lemme reboot and update-modules |
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| 03:09.25 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: ibrb |
| 03:09.27 | Raith | thanks so much..i'll be back shortly |
| 03:09.58 | mfrisch | iLLf8d cool |
| 03:10.01 | ariel | Raith: sorry I've joined late to this channel I'm wondering what's your problem, perhaps I could help you |
| 03:10.02 | gpfreitas | hmmm... |
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| 03:10.11 | gpfreitas | I was checking aptitude |
| 03:10.21 | akash | What options does mount need to load a ISO file? |
| 03:10.32 | gpfreitas | neither gnome or gnome-desktop environment had gdm as dependencies... I think Raith will come back soon. ;) |
| 03:11.29 | gpfreitas | akash, you want to mount an iso file in you hd? |
| 03:12.00 | SerajewelKS | akash, mount something.iso /mnt/whatever -o loop |
| 03:12.06 | mfrisch | akash mount the iso as a loopdevice |
| 03:12.29 | gpfreitas | in this case, type #mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /mnt/whatever |
| 03:12.34 | gpfreitas | but to launch |
| 03:12.37 | akash | kk thanks guys |
| 03:12.48 | akash | just forgot -o loop |
| 03:13.02 | Guerin | gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment which depends on gdm |
| 03:13.05 | akash | Anyone know is=f Knoppix has apt? |
| 03:13.14 | akash | *if |
| 03:13.20 | MobyTurbo | akash: the cdrecord manpage has it in the examples section |
| 03:13.21 | Wyzard | akash: Knoppix is based on Debian, so yes, it uses apt |
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| 03:13.38 | rixth | What's the easiest way to make a boot disc but on a CD? |
| 03:13.47 | gpfreitas | Guerin, in my system, gdm is suggested by gnome-desktop-environment. |
| 03:13.53 | Guerin | rixth: find a bootable iso and burn it |
| 03:13.56 | Wyzard | rixth: Look into mkisofs's "El Torito" options |
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| 03:14.13 | [jason] | Hi, I just installed 3.10a on my sparc |
| 03:14.18 | [jason] | I think there's an installer issue |
| 03:14.20 | Guerin | $ apt-cache depends gnome-desktop-environment |grep gdm |
| 03:14.21 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.28 | [jason] | it says unable to mount root fs |
| 03:14.30 | Guerin | (sid) - maybe different in sarge |
| 03:14.30 | black13 | rixth, take a look at timos rescue cd ... |
| 03:14.46 | waltermh | hi all |
| 03:14.50 | Guerin | [jason]: what's your root filesystem? |
| 03:14.56 | [jason] | but it was a default install, what's more puzzling, is that the netinstall cdrom displays the same message 'unable to mount root fs' using 'rescue' |
| 03:15.01 | [jason] | Guerin: /dev/sda1 |
| 03:15.03 | gpfreitas | Hmmm, mine is sarge. It says "suggests". |
| 03:15.10 | [jason] | Guerin: I already tried root=/dev/sda1 |
| 03:15.11 | Guerin | [jason]: FILESYSTEM |
| 03:15.15 | [jason] | Guerin: ext3 |
| 03:15.23 | [jason] | Guerin: it's just a default install |
| 03:15.47 | [jason] | Guerin: I have only one drive, no fancy config. |
| 03:16.03 | Guerin | [jason]: and when you try to mount and chroot, it won't? What does fdisk -l say? |
| 03:16.18 | [jason] | Guerin: how could I get a shell, if I can't mount? |
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| 03:16.27 | waltermh | this may be a stupid question, but i am clueless about controllers, if a MB itself deosnt have sata, and i buy an sata controller, it works just fine with sata HDD? |
| 03:16.35 | Guerin | [jason]: first you'd change your nick so it's not a pain to type |
| 03:16.39 | [jason] | Guerin: 'rescue' from the install cd don't work either, same error message. |
| 03:16.40 | SDFH_Linux | whats faster ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 03:16.50 | [jason] | Guerin: do you have any clue what went wrong? |
| 03:16.55 | Guerin | [jason]: then you'd boot the installer and drop to a shell using alt+f2 |
| 03:17.02 | caphuso | SDFH_Linux: depends on the benchmark |
| 03:17.06 | [jason] | Guerin: ok, trying now. |
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| 03:17.17 | SDFH_Linux | ok then whats safer to use? |
| 03:17.21 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Speed-wise there's probably not a significant difference, but reiserfs scales better to large filesystems |
| 03:17.21 | caphuso | ext3 |
| 03:17.22 | mfrisch | SDFH_Linux ext3 is more portable |
| 03:17.24 | Guerin | waltermh: depends on the sata controller |
| 03:17.29 | SDFH_Linux | ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 03:17.35 | caphuso | ext3 |
| 03:17.47 | [jason] | Guerin: it's weird that 'rescue' from the install cd, does the same 'unable to mount root fs' |
| 03:17.51 | [jason] | Guerin: just a thought |
| 03:18.03 | SDFH_Linux | whats faster fluxbox or xfce? |
| 03:18.07 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Both have proven themselves to be pretty reliable |
| 03:18.11 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:18.11 | Guerin | [jason]: yeah, it'd be nice to see what fdisk etc. think about that. |
| 03:18.18 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Fluxbox is a window manager. XFCE is a desktop environment. |
| 03:18.22 | [jason] | Guerin: I'm booting it now |
| 03:18.29 | SDFH_Linux | good point |
| 03:18.39 | SDFH_Linux | whats the fastest desktop envirionment |
| 03:18.44 | Guerin | [jason]: get rid of your leading [ |
| 03:18.55 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: XFCE is probably faster than GNOME or KDE, due to being more lightweight |
| 03:19.02 | SDFH_Linux | and what is the difference between a window manager and desktop enviroment |
| 03:19.16 | waltermh | hmm, what do you mean Guerin ? |
| 03:19.34 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: A window manager does just that, manages windows. It draws the borders around your windows, and handles moving and resizing them, etc. |
| 03:19.44 | [jason] | Guerin: ok got shell |
| 03:19.51 | rixth | Sorry for a late reply, but say, would a Ubuntu Live CD be good enough for a boot disc? |
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| 03:20.08 | SDFH_Linux | so the windowmanagers are faster then |
| 03:20.12 | [jason] | Guerin: no fdisk, how to add it? |
| 03:20.13 | Guerin | waltermh: some sata crontrollers are shit, others are good. If you buy a good one, it'll be good. if you buy a shit one it'll be shit. |
| 03:20.25 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: A desktop environment provides functionality for applications (such as standardized open/save dialogs) and also provides additional apps of its own (such as a file manager) |
| 03:20.34 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:20.35 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: No, you can't compare them for speed |
| 03:20.47 | SDFH_Linux | whats the best windowmanager |
| 03:20.52 | ugly | ~best |
| 03:20.53 | apt | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! |
| 03:20.53 | SDFH_Linux | i am using icewm right now |
| 03:20.56 | Guerin | [jason]: you've only got busybox at the moment. try to mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 |
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| 03:21.12 | waltermh | so the controller does extend the functionality of the system and doesnt matter what the MB can do? no clue whats a good or bad card though :( |
| 03:21.12 | [jason] | Guerin: looks like the scsi module isn't loaded |
| 03:21.14 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: openbox |
| 03:21.22 | SDFH_Linux | really? |
| 03:21.33 | MobyTurbo | SDFH_Linux: if you ask tarzeau it would be fvwm, if you ask thomas_adam it will be fvwm |
| 03:21.38 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: if you like a minimalist environment, sure |
| 03:21.39 | Guerin | [jason]: ok, so your controller's not being recognised. |
| 03:21.39 | Wyzard | waltermh: A built-in controller on a motherboard is no different from one installed in a slot |
| 03:21.46 | SDFH_Linux | i like fast |
| 03:21.49 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: if you ask tarzeau it'll be windowmaker |
| 03:21.52 | MobyTurbo | SDFH_Linux: tarzeau s/fvwm/windowmaker/ |
| 03:21.55 | waltermh | ok, just making sure |
| 03:21.55 | Wyzard | waltermh: It happens to be physically printed on the same circuit board, but it's still just a PCI device |
| 03:21.58 | caphuso | SDFH_Linux: all window managers are equally fast |
| 03:21.59 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: oops |
| 03:22.05 | waltermh | thanks |
| 03:22.11 | SDFH_Linux | i am using icewm at the moment |
| 03:22.15 | Wyzard | waltermh: I have two Promise Ultra100 cards in my computer -- one built-in to the motherboard, and one in a slot -- and they behave identically |
| 03:22.17 | SDFH_Linux | maybe i should tryout openbox |
| 03:22.23 | [jason] | Guerin: I just loaded the module, got scsi now. |
| 03:22.24 | MobyTurbo | SDFH_Linux: there's a benchmark on www.rasterman.com |
| 03:22.28 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:22.51 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Note that the "speed" of a window manager has absolutely nothing to do with the performance of the applications you're running |
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| 03:23.02 | Guerin | [jason]: ok. Now to get that loaded on boot... you'll need to fuck with your initrd I guess. I don't know how to do this. |
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| 03:23.17 | caphuso | oh god, what a useless benchmark |
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| 03:23.18 | [jason] | Guerin: ok root mounted |
| 03:23.21 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: The window manager draws the border around a window and handles things like resizing, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the application running within the window |
| 03:23.24 | pedro420 | it is safe to ignore that freenode-connect bot right? |
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| 03:23.37 | [jason] | Guerin: I did mount /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0/part1 /mnt |
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| 03:23.40 | Azar | Guerin if he uses lilo there is a single line to be added to lilo, saved then run /sbin/lilo |
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| 03:23.49 | SDFH_Linux | can you change the background on icewm or openbox? |
| 03:23.52 | [jason] | Guerin: and it mounted it right |
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| 03:24.12 | [jason] | Guerin: please note that this is my /boot partition, not / |
| 03:24.18 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: yes, you'll need to read docs on that |
| 03:24.25 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:24.31 | Azar | SDFH_Linux, you download the jpg or whatever image you have in your user directory |
| 03:24.33 | MobyTurbo | SDFH_Linux: even when a windowmanager can't, you can use a number of different utilities to put images on the root window (background) |
| 03:24.34 | Guerin | [jason]: ok. it said your / wwas what wasn't mounting |
| 03:24.36 | alvanson | does the new sarge installer have a preferred filesystem? |
| 03:24.37 | Azar | then use "feh" to make a background |
| 03:24.49 | [jason] | Guerin: yeah I think I have to fix silo.conf at this point |
| 03:24.55 | MobyTurbo | alvanson: the default is ext3 |
| 03:25.01 | Guerin | Azar: no, if he needs to add a module to his initrd, lilo, etc, won't do it. |
| 03:25.03 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: any chance you could turn on your asterisk server so I cna checkout kiax? |
| 03:25.05 | Wyzard | alvanson: The default is ext3, but it supports a bunch |
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| 03:25.07 | alvanson | MobyTurbo, thanks |
| 03:25.08 | mfrisch | what is yum and why do I hate it |
| 03:25.08 | iLLf8d | I installed the client |
| 03:25.17 | ugly | alvanson: you know you want to try reiserfs or xfs ... ;) |
| 03:25.20 | SDFH_Linux | is there anymore unstable,testing or experimental servers? |
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| 03:25.31 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Of course there are |
| 03:25.32 | caphuso | Results for: ion3 - Unknown Test: map_throughput WIN/SEC 398.079789 |
| 03:25.33 | alvanson | ugly, I have reiserfs on it right now |
| 03:25.36 | MobyTurbo | mfrisch: yum is not used by Debian, for good reason. :-) |
| 03:25.38 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:25.40 | ugly | alvanson: good |
| 03:25.52 | SDFH_Linux | but now what was stable it the new stable |
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| 03:26.22 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: I don't understand that sentence, but Debian 3.1 ("sarge") was recently released as stable, and testing is now "etch" |
| 03:26.24 | caphuso | what a stupidity... |
| 03:26.35 | mfrisch | iLLf8d I think they block alot through I don't resolve ....give me a sec. |
| 03:26.49 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 03:26.51 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: maybe it'd be better if you set up Debian sober |
| 03:27.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:27.07 | ugly | better for all of us, that is |
| 03:27.13 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 03:27.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.22 | Guerin | Kamping_Kaiser: lsmod |
| 03:27.31 | SDFH_Linux | brb |
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| 03:27.37 | [jason] | Guerin: I'm trying with a different silo.conf now |
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| 03:28.02 | Guerin | [jason]: was your initrd mentioned in the old one? Or was it just not getting loaded at all? |
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| 03:28.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | guerin, am i looking at the scsi modules? |
| 03:28.10 | bloat | hey, I gotta quick question |
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| 03:28.21 | [jason] | Guerin: it mentioned /dev/sda2 which I think is incorrect |
| 03:28.23 | Guerin | Kamping_Kaiser: crossreference with the output of lspci |
| 03:28.34 | Guerin | [jason]: that would be root, not boot? |
| 03:28.42 | bloat | Im doing a chmod g+rwx on a web directory I want a group of web developers to have write access to |
| 03:28.57 | bloat | when I usermod -G web username |
| 03:29.06 | bloat | it works, and the entry is changed in /etc/group |
| 03:29.16 | bloat | but when I type groups as the user, the web group doesn't appear |
| 03:29.17 | mfrisch | iLLf8d send me a email MFRISCH@cinci.rr.com login is ext + Pass in kiax you can try. |
| 03:29.23 | Guerin | bloat: newgrp web or logout and back in to refresh group membership |
| 03:29.24 | [jason] | Guerin: woa, same problem, why is it trying to load a cramfs partition dammit... |
| 03:29.24 | bloat | also I created the web group using groupadd |
| 03:29.29 | [jason] | Guerin: still not good |
| 03:29.29 | alec | bloat, have you logged back in? |
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| 03:29.40 | Guerin | [jason]: it's got to load an initrd |
| 03:29.44 | bloat | hmm, I did it from an xterm, so I figured that would work |
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| 03:29.54 | bloat | I gotta completely log out to refresh my group listings? |
| 03:29.58 | bloat | because I still can't write to the dir |
| 03:30.03 | Guerin | bloat: or use newgrp |
| 03:30.06 | [jason] | Guerin: why would it need an initrd? I don't want one, I want it to use my / |
| 03:30.22 | |Trev| | Setting up webserver.. debian sarge.. What options do I have other then squirrelmail or sqwebmail ? |
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| 03:30.30 | Guerin | [jason]: all debian kernels use an initrd - it's the only practical way to support arbitrary hardware |
| 03:30.35 | ugly | I set up a list of menus in my ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml file, and now the right-click menu is disabled. I don't see anything immediately obvious in syntax errors, but here's a copy of my config: http://inhuman.org:81/~ugly/menu.xml |
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| 03:30.42 | Guerin | |Trev|: neither of those are webservers |
| 03:30.47 | [jason] | Guerin: hm, ok. |
| 03:30.58 | deckrider | hi, I'm using debian/sarge...all up to date....I can't seem to play a cdrom with gnome-cd....I can play sounds using aplay, and gnome-cd looks like its playing....gets the title from the net, etc....so I'm close....any ideas? |
| 03:31.05 | |Trev| | ? Mail.. dude.. late at night here.. webmail.. |
| 03:31.10 | |Trev| | =) |
| 03:31.14 | [jason] | Guerin: booting rescue again |
| 03:31.21 | [jason] | Guerin: install I mean |
| 03:31.25 | SerajewelKS | deckrider, turn up the CD in the mixer? |
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| 03:31.27 | Guerin | |Trev|: horde/imp |
| 03:31.34 | Wyzard | deckrider: CD playback uses a separate audio cable going from your CD-ROM drive to your sound card... maybe your computer doesn't have one |
| 03:31.36 | ddfire | hello i have problem whit xine and a dvd |
| 03:31.40 | Wyzard | deckrider: Or maybe that mixer input is muted |
| 03:31.48 | Guerin | |Trev|: there are some others, but squirrelmail is probably your best bet if you can handle frames |
| 03:31.50 | deckrider | SerajewelKS: wow, I think maybe the mixer...one sec |
| 03:32.11 | trave11er | [jason]: what kind of sparc is that? |
| 03:32.30 | [jason] | trave11er: sparcstation 20 |
| 03:32.38 | trave11er | that should work |
| 03:32.47 | deckrider | yahoo! it works |
| 03:32.47 | Guerin | it does work |
| 03:32.50 | Guerin | it's installed |
| 03:32.54 | bloat | last question, if I use newgrp does this mean I have to use it every time I open a new shell window until my current session ends? |
| 03:33.08 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: uhm huh? |
| 03:33.11 | deckrider | thanks SerajewelKS and Wyzard silly me it was in fact the mixer |
| 03:33.21 | trave11er | Guerin: should work == should mount initrd |
| 03:33.27 | bloat | forget, I answered my own question |
| 03:33.29 | SerajewelKS | deckrider, i usually forget the mixer too =) |
| 03:33.35 | Guerin | bloat: groups get updated on a login shell. If you open a non-login shell, you'll probably need to refresh groups. |
| 03:33.38 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: I dunno what you by the email etc... |
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| 03:33.44 | Guerin | trave11er: yeah. |
| 03:33.47 | bloat | thanks for the help, gotta restart x |
| 03:33.57 | liable_ | quit |
| 03:34.20 | [jason] | Guerin: ok, so it can't load initrd, any clues? |
| 03:34.33 | Guerin | [jason]: is the initrd specified in silo.conf? |
| 03:34.35 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: ie send you moe@knows.com mypassword in email? |
| 03:34.42 | [jason] | Guerin: yep |
| 03:34.43 | trave11er | [jason]: do you see messages like RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0 |
| 03:34.51 | trave11er | [jason]: RAMDISK: Loading 2928 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. |
| 03:34.53 | [jason] | trave11er: right |
| 03:35.00 | [jason] | trave11er: I see cramfs not found |
| 03:35.00 | trave11er | and after that it panics? |
| 03:35.04 | [jason] | trave11er: yep |
| 03:35.09 | Guerin | [jason]: freakshow. |
| 03:35.17 | Azar | when first installing a 2.6.x kernel lilo must be configured to accept initrd |
| 03:35.20 | Guerin | [jason]: know how to build your own kernel? |
| 03:35.21 | trave11er | [jason]: so cramfs is found or not found? |
| 03:35.24 | rixth | Do I want to enable NSA SELinux? |
| 03:35.28 | Guerin | Azar: he's not using lilo. |
| 03:35.36 | mfrisch | iLLf8d send me a pass I do'nt send ip through irc |
| 03:35.36 | Guerin | rixth: if you have to ask, no. |
| 03:35.44 | rixth | Guerin, good answer :) |
| 03:35.45 | [jason] | trave11er: found, but not able to load it it seem |
| 03:35.48 | iLLf8d | ok |
| 03:36.00 | trave11er | [jason]: damn |
| 03:36.06 | rixth | Guerin, is there anything which isn't in the kernel by default that I should have? |
| 03:36.08 | Azar | initrd=/initrd.img < must be inserted |
| 03:36.08 | trave11er | [jason]: i hoped this bug was gone |
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| 03:36.14 | [jason] | trave11er: nope, still here. |
| 03:36.18 | [jason] | trave11er: any workaround? |
| 03:36.18 | Azar | oh |
| 03:36.22 | Guerin | rixth: if you don't know why you're building a kernel, don't build one. |
| 03:36.24 | Azar | ok no lilo no problems :) |
| 03:36.36 | Subvertir | initrd's piss me off |
| 03:36.39 | rixth | Enable the go7007 driver. |
| 03:36.42 | alvanson | where do people get this information about reiserfs losing data? |
| 03:36.55 | rixth | For plextor's ConvertX PVR |
| 03:36.55 | trave11er | [jason]: well, some people reported that if they move the memory chips around in the slots or remove half of the memory, it would suddenly work |
| 03:36.59 | Azar | maybe grub forgot to take care of that initrd |
| 03:37.14 | [jason] | trave11er: I saw that, therefore, I populated the whole ss20 with 512MB, and no love... |
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| 03:37.40 | [jason] | trave11er: I checked the mailling lists before... no love with moving memory sticks. |
| 03:37.49 | trave11er | [jason]: i have a ss10, with 80 megs, on which i did all the installer tests, and they all passed |
| 03:37.54 | ecliptk | alvanson, I just got a huge reiserfs error that is making my system not boot |
| 03:37.59 | [jason] | trave11er: weird. |
| 03:38.00 | Supaplex | DoppelGanger: now be nice to grub. :) |
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| 03:38.09 | [jason] | trave11er: any software workaround? |
| 03:38.19 | [jason] | trave11er: cuz moving sticks don't work very well... |
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| 03:38.29 | [jason] | trave11er: I got 8x64MB sticks in this box. |
| 03:38.29 | Azar | I have Grub-less Debian Sarge :) |
| 03:38.31 | trave11er | [jason]: building a kernel without initrd might work |
| 03:38.37 | [jason] | trave11er: got one for me? |
| 03:38.40 | trave11er | [jason]: try leaving just 2 |
| 03:38.41 | [jason] | trave11er: smp please |
| 03:38.42 | Wyzard | alvanson: On the other hand, I'm using reiserfs on all my systems with no problems |
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| 03:39.02 | robert__ | are the bugs with sarge and via_rhine chipset ethernet cards with dhcp-client? |
| 03:39.08 | [jason] | trave11er: heh, I'd like to have more than 128MB on this boxen. |
| 03:39.18 | Guerin | alvanson: google reiserfs "data loss" |
| 03:39.19 | [jason] | trave11er: anyway, I'm unable to build a kernel atm, got one for me? |
| 03:39.21 | trave11er | [jason]: btw, did you try 2.6 kenrel? |
| 03:39.26 | trave11er | it might "just work" |
| 03:39.28 | [jason] | trave11er: I don't have any... |
| 03:39.28 | Azar | new user: I wish to have a Debian Sarge please / developer: with Grub or Lilo? mustard on the side? |
| 03:39.39 | Supaplex | Wyzard: you're a brave soul. :) |
| 03:39.41 | [jason] | trave11er: I don't think this was offered in the cd install... |
| 03:39.57 | trave11er | [jason]: no, not on cd, but it is in the archive |
| 03:40.00 | iLLf8d | mfrisch: email sent |
| 03:40.01 | [jason] | trave11er: if you could provide me a linux2.6 smp kernel that'd make me very happy. |
| 03:40.01 | codc | robert__, i dosn't have probs with this combination |
| 03:40.04 | [jason] | trave11er: url? |
| 03:40.06 | Wyzard | supaman: Not really... reiserfs is pretty well-established |
| 03:40.11 | Wyzard | Supaplex: oops, ^^^ |
| 03:40.20 | akash | Anyone know the dpkg command that tells me how to mount a windows drive? |
| 03:40.29 | findme | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.30 | trave11er | [jason]: 2.6 smp is completely broken on sparc32 |
| 03:40.31 | akash | deadcat: DIE |
| 03:40.31 | Wyzard | Supaplex: reiser4 is a different story, though I'm considering trying that on my Gentoo box |
| 03:40.34 | ddfire | how i download the unstable vercion of xine??? |
| 03:40.36 | [jason] | trave11er: oh! damn |
| 03:40.44 | [jason] | trave11er: any 2.4 without initrd then? |
| 03:40.52 | Guerin | Wyzard: well-established as a filesystem which a) loses data and b) has inadequate maintenance and repair tools |
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| 03:41.03 | trave11er | [jason]: how about up 2.6? :-) |
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| 03:41.12 | [jason] | trave11er: I'd like smp better... |
| 03:41.18 | Raith | hey...just installed gnome.. |
| 03:41.18 | Guerin | [jason]: you can build one in chroot |
| 03:41.19 | [jason] | trave11er: I have two ross 180Mhz |
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| 03:41.25 | theboneman | jim: you there bro |
| 03:41.28 | Wyzard | Guerin: I moved from XFS to reiser because XFS has a habit of corrupting files when the power goes out, but reiser has been fine |
| 03:41.37 | Raith | err...it's saying that..etc/init.d/gdm start doesn't exist |
| 03:41.43 | Azar | out of luck, jim went to bed |
| 03:41.45 | Subvertir | XFS never gave me any trouble |
| 03:41.50 | gpfreitas | I knew you would come back, Raith |
| 03:41.54 | [jason] | trave11er: what I don't understand is that the install cd boots fine.... WITH initrd! |
| 03:41.55 | Guerin | Raith: apt-get install gdm |
| 03:41.56 | Raith | lol.. |
| 03:41.58 | trave11er | [jason]: wait, so are you trying to boot smp kernel? |
| 03:41.59 | theboneman | Raith: you didnt install it |
| 03:41.59 | gpfreitas | I just saw gdm is not a dependency of gnome |
| 03:42.02 | gpfreitas | install it |
| 03:42.03 | Raith | apt-get install gdm ? |
| 03:42.03 | [jason] | trave11er: true. |
| 03:42.06 | codc | Wyzard, whats about ext3? |
| 03:42.06 | theboneman | Raith: why do u want to use gdm anyways ;\ |
| 03:42.10 | Subvertir | Raith, or echo "start-gnome" > ~/.xinitrc;startx |
| 03:42.15 | SDFH_Linux | hmm why doesnt my openbox taskbar show up on debian? |
| 03:42.17 | Supaplex | Wyzard: well, considering ext3 has a bigger market share then riserfs, I'm sure someone else will get a bug before I ever see any results of it. (eg, fixed before it affects me). I've seen a nameserver with dain brammaged riser. it's ... different. hehe. |
| 03:42.19 | Subvertir | it might be gnome-star |
| 03:42.23 | theboneman | rofl |
| 03:42.28 | [jason] | trave11er: well, at least it shows two pinguins... |
| 03:42.31 | theboneman | i had kde and gnome installed on deb |
| 03:42.32 | robert__ | well, i've added alias eth0 via_rhine to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, added 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' to /etc/network/interfaces, ran /etc/init.d/networking restart, did ifup eth0, ran dhclient, and dhclient just hangs and crashes, i'm lost |
| 03:42.33 | Wyzard | Subvertir: I found that if the system was shut down improperly (such as in a power failure), files that had recently been modified would sometimes be full of null bytes after I booted back up |
| 03:42.33 | Phated | SDFH_Linux: Openbox doesn't come with a taskbar. |
| 03:42.33 | gpfreitas | if you install gdm, you will get a graphical login next boot, for sure. |
| 03:42.37 | theboneman | and i reinstalled deb with nothing installed |
| 03:42.39 | Guerin | Subvertir: gnome-session is what you're guessing at |
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| 03:42.47 | theboneman | i wanna set a grub bootsplash is it possible |
| 03:42.49 | Raith | how do i install gdm..can i get the command? |
| 03:42.50 | SDFH_Linux | not like blackbox or fluxbox's? |
| 03:42.51 | Subvertir | Guerin, I don't use gnome, lol |
| 03:42.52 | Raith | apt-get install gdm ? |
| 03:42.54 | SDFH_Linux | nothing? |
| 03:42.59 | [jason] | trave11er: I really don't get it, I can boot the cd-image, and it uses initrd, but not my own install... |
| 03:42.59 | Guerin | Raith: yes. Do it. |
| 03:42.59 | gpfreitas | sudo aptitude install gdm |
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| 03:43.02 | gpfreitas | sorry |
| 03:43.03 | Guerin | Raith: as root. |
| 03:43.09 | gpfreitas | no need for sudo if you are root |
| 03:43.14 | theboneman | yes Raith |
| 03:43.14 | Phated | SDFH_Linux: No, nothing. Install perlpanel or fbpanel or something. |
| 03:43.15 | Raith | yup..as root.. |
| 03:43.18 | theboneman | apt-get install gdm |
| 03:43.19 | gpfreitas | just aptitude install gdm |
| 03:43.23 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 03:43.26 | theboneman | i dont use any login managers Raith |
| 03:43.30 | Raith | oh man...got all the people who've helped me out here on right now..lol.. |
| 03:43.33 | theboneman | if you really dont want it you dont need it |
| 03:43.42 | Raith | how do i not have one? |
| 03:43.47 | trave11er | [jason]: yeah, it is not clear what triggers it |
| 03:43.47 | theboneman | have one what ? |
| 03:43.52 | theboneman | graphical login ? |
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| 03:43.54 | Raith | not have one login manager.. |
| 03:43.55 | [jason] | trave11er: I see... |
| 03:43.55 | iLLf8d | oh irssi setting heh |
| 03:43.56 | Supaplex | theboneman: like taxes? :-D |
| 03:44.03 | Raith | yeah..can't it boot always as me..? |
| 03:44.04 | theboneman | rofl ;P yeah right |
| 03:44.06 | robert__ | my dhcp-client isn't pulling an IP from the Comcast DNS servers (directly connected via ethernet to my 3com officeconnect cable modem, no router)... |
| 03:44.08 | gpfreitas | will you don't have to launch your window manager through a *graphical* login manager |
| 03:44.09 | [jason] | trave11er: no workaround besides removing ram? |
| 03:44.20 | theboneman | true gpfreitas :] what i meant |
| 03:44.27 | Raith | oh |
| 03:44.32 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Providing a taskbar is something beyond the normal function of a window manager... that's why only a few do it |
| 03:44.33 | [jason] | trave11er: I tried with 512, then 256 still didn't work... |
| 03:44.36 | theboneman | all you really need to do to change Window managers is |
| 03:44.37 | gpfreitas | But, hey, start with a graphical one. |
| 03:44.43 | Raith | well...let me get debian working before i get into that |
| 03:44.48 | robert__ | Comcast DHCP servers* |
| 03:44.50 | gpfreitas | Then you decide if you want to keep it or not. |
| 03:44.50 | robert__ | sorry |
| 03:44.52 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: It is, however, the sort of thing that a desktop environment is meant for |
| 03:44.55 | Raith | alright.. |
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| 03:45.00 | trave11er | [jason]: a) try up 2.4; b) try up 2.6 |
| 03:45.02 | gpfreitas | It will look better, for sure... :) |
| 03:45.05 | theboneman | goto /etc/X11/xinit/; rm xinitrc; ln -s xinitrc.fluxbox xinitrc; |
| 03:45.09 | codc | robert__, try to fix the network - imho isn't there a hardwareprob |
| 03:45.10 | Solet | is there a package out there that will clock my cpu's speed? (i have a p4 and it steps so i want to see what speed it runs at at what temps) |
| 03:45.12 | theboneman | that is to change your windowmanager Raith |
| 03:45.12 | [jason] | trave11er: hey, I really want smp buddy. |
| 03:45.17 | Raith | so do i run ~/.xinitrc;startx ? |
| 03:45.19 | theboneman | without a graphical login |
| 03:45.26 | theboneman | Raith: type startx |
| 03:45.28 | Guerin | Raith: no, ignore that |
| 03:45.34 | trave11er | [jason]: hw sucks anyway :-0 |
| 03:45.36 | Raith | alright..just apt-get install gdm ? |
| 03:45.38 | [jason] | trave11er: heh |
| 03:45.40 | trave11er | err, :-) |
| 03:45.43 | Guerin | Raith: YES already |
| 03:45.47 | SDFH_Linux | whats better fbpanel or perlpanel |
| 03:45.48 | Raith | lol |
| 03:45.49 | theboneman | lmfao |
| 03:45.50 | Raith | alright |
| 03:45.51 | Raith | thanks guys |
| 03:45.52 | gpfreitas | if you want gdm, which I think is most advisable. |
| 03:45.54 | [jason] | trave11er: any way without initrd? |
| 03:45.55 | theboneman | np Raith |
| 03:46.00 | Raith | thanks soilet.. |
| 03:46.05 | theboneman | jim: around ? |
| 03:46.06 | [jason] | trave11er: screw this initrd shit, I just want to drive. |
| 03:46.09 | Raith | i appreciate it..i'll be back soon |
| 03:46.13 | robert__ | codc, yeah, there's not a hardware problem. in my fedora install, i get a readout about sit0, which has something to do with ipv6, but when i do ifconfig after running ifup eth0 in my sarge install, nada |
| 03:46.15 | trave11er | [jason]: i can build a kernel without initrd for you, but it will take a while |
| 03:46.16 | theboneman | exactly how is java installed ? |
| 03:46.17 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: That's a subjective question. Try them and see which one you like better. |
| 03:46.19 | akash | Anyone know where I can find a debian package for limewire? |
| 03:46.22 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: install them both and fuck with them a bit... there's a pypanel too |
| 03:46.27 | [jason] | trave11er: how long do you think? |
| 03:46.27 | Wyzard | theboneman: apt-cache show java-package |
| 03:46.31 | theboneman | i added java to my sources and apt-get install java-package |
| 03:46.32 | Supaplex | ahhh, reading the topic pays. |
| 03:46.36 | theboneman | but .. it tells me |
| 03:46.38 | Solet | akash apt db??? |
| 03:46.53 | trave11er | [jason]: my box is currently building glibc, should be close to done |
| 03:47.02 | theboneman | its in there Wyzard |
| 03:47.06 | Wyzard | trave11er: Why are you compiling glibc? |
| 03:47.09 | trave11er | [jason]: would be ready some time tomorrow, i would hope |
| 03:47.11 | [jason] | trave11er: cool, that would rock man, could you pm me when the build is complete? |
| 03:47.11 | Supaplex | euu! it's girly pink! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 03:47.19 | [jason] | trave11er: lots of traffic here. |
| 03:47.20 | akash | Solet: What? Apt db? ] |
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| 03:47.22 | trave11er | [jason]: ok |
| 03:47.24 | codc | sit0 is afaik something of ipsec |
| 03:47.29 | [jason] | trave11er: thanks a lot, man |
| 03:47.34 | theboneman | Supaplex: who cares ? |
| 03:47.34 | [jason] | trave11er: you rock |
| 03:47.42 | Guerin | !limewire |
| 03:47.43 | dpkg | methinks limewire is better known as lamewire - yet another braindead java p2p client. Not in debian. see http://www.limewire.com! GPL! |
| 03:47.46 | trave11er | Wyzard: in a feeble attempt to provide support for sun4c subarchitecture for sarge |
| 03:47.54 | robert__ | codc, since i'm setting this all up manually, is there something i probably missed? |
| 03:47.56 | codc | but not really shure |
| 03:48.02 | Wyzard | trave11er: ah, ok... that's a good reason |
| 03:48.04 | robert__ | dhclient just hangs |
| 03:48.13 | [jason] | trave11er: please include esp and all the things I would need for my scsi bus in the kernel itself, no modules please... |
| 03:48.17 | [jason] | trave11er: doable? |
| 03:48.22 | Wyzard | trave11er: just making sure you weren't some beginner who thinks compiling from source is the way to upgrade things :-) |
| 03:48.27 | [jason] | trave11er: oh, and sd_scsi of course... |
| 03:48.31 | trave11er | [jason]: sure, you have cg6 framebuffer, i presume? |
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| 03:48.39 | codc | robert__, try to check the traffic with tcpdump |
| 03:48.40 | [jason] | trave11er: I think it's a tgx |
| 03:48.47 | Solet | how can i see my cpu's current speed? |
| 03:48.54 | Wyzard | Solet: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:48.55 | Guerin | Solet: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:48.58 | theboneman | Wyzard: ? |
| 03:48.58 | codc | dhcp is really simple |
| 03:49.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:49.04 | trave11er | Wyzard: i'm helping out with sparc port maintaining, actually ;-) |
| 03:49.09 | Solet | Guerin Wyzard, thanks |
| 03:49.16 | Wyzard | theboneman: That package provides a command called "make-jpkg". Read its manpage. |
| 03:49.21 | robert__ | codc, can't install tcpdump... i ran apt-get install tcpdump after mount /dev/cdrom, and i don't think it's on the first cdrom |
| 03:49.23 | robert__ | that's all i have |
| 03:49.45 | Phated | Install it through the normal way? |
| 03:49.54 | [jason] | trave11er: thanks man, and the onboard ethernet of course... |
| 03:49.54 | pwned | there are some programs which don't have an option to end cleanly such as kicker. I usually end such programs with sigkill but that might leave other associated processes running. Is there a better way to stop such programs? the manuals aren't making it easy to find such info |
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| 03:50.03 | theboneman | ah cool |
| 03:50.04 | trave11er | [jason]: lance? |
| 03:50.10 | codc | robert__, you don't use the inet for this ? |
| 03:50.10 | theboneman | Hey Wyzard you think i could put this in the tree |
| 03:50.11 | [jason] | trave11er: yeah I think that's it |
| 03:50.19 | Wyzard | theboneman: "the tree" ? |
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| 03:50.26 | robert__ | codc, i'm trying to setup the network connection |
| 03:50.32 | [jason] | trave11er: I noticed something strange, while my system has 512M, the /proc/kcore is 201MB that's weird. |
| 03:50.44 | trave11er | [jason]: it might be a problem actually, kernel hardly fits into whatever hole silo is putting it in as is |
| 03:50.48 | robert__ | codc, debian sarge didn't detect comcast's dhcp servers for some reason, fedora does |
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| 03:50.53 | codc | oh sorry forgotten - 5:50 in germany |
| 03:50.54 | [jason] | trave11er: yeah |
| 03:51.06 | [jason] | trave11er: that's what I was thinking |
| 03:51.08 | theboneman | Wyzard: so now get the .bin from java ? |
| 03:51.11 | robert__ | codc, when installing |
| 03:51.13 | Wyzard | theboneman: correct |
| 03:51.21 | grotesque | Hey guys, I want to install debian on an assembly line via TFTP... Anyone know of a faq or how-to? I want to use 3.1R0a. I have the netinst image and the DVD's. |
| 03:51.28 | codc | than use temoray fix IPs |
| 03:51.30 | [jason] | trave11er: that would explain why 256MB is not working either |
| 03:51.42 | [jason] | trave11er: I'm going to try 128MB now. |
| 03:51.46 | codc | robert__, me? |
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| 03:52.00 | EvilSporkMan | I seem to have cups and foomatic working (i can print a test page via http://localhost:631/admin). How does xprint figure into this? |
| 03:52.00 | trave11er | [jason]: yeah, i saw someone report 256 not working, 128 working |
| 03:52.07 | trave11er | [jason]: that's why i mentioned it |
| 03:52.12 | [jason] | trave11er: trying now... |
| 03:52.18 | Wyzard | robert__: The default DHCP client is "dhcp-client"... there's also "dhcp3-client", which is a newer version |
| 03:52.30 | robert__ | Wyzard: yeah, tried dhcp3-client as well |
| 03:52.48 | mwilson | grotesque: You wouldn't just netboot the machines because...? |
| 03:52.51 | robert__ | and /sbin/dhclient3 |
| 03:52.54 | Wyzard | robert__: FWIW, my router runs sarge and gets DNS info from Comcast just fine |
| 03:53.00 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: If you're smart, it doesn't. |
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| 03:53.08 | grotesque | No DVD/floppy drive, just 512MB flash IDE drive and dual nics. |
| 03:53.15 | codc | that what i am saying |
| 03:53.26 | robert__ | Wyzard, have you got a via_rhine chipset ethernet card? |
| 03:53.28 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: if i remove xprint (first removing the x-window-system metapackage), firefox hangs when I try to print. |
| 03:53.44 | Wyzard | robert__: It hasn't been rebooted in 4 months, but I doubt the DHCP client has been changed significantly in that time |
| 03:53.46 | mwilson | grotesque: Yes, and that's somehow an answer to my question because...? |
| 03:53.48 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: tell firefox to print using postscript |
| 03:54.03 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: it hangs when i do file/print. how do i tell it to print using postscript? |
| 03:54.03 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: <shrug> crapfox is, well, crap... what do you want? |
| 03:54.04 | robert__ | Wyzard, I am assuming I don't have it setup correctly, because it's not getting any sit0 information |
| 03:54.07 | simonrvn | or lpr |
| 03:54.08 | grotesque | I can't install with a CD without a CD drive?! |
| 03:54.17 | Wyzard | robert__: No, it uses an RTL-8029, but that has nothing to do with DNS info in DHCP... if it can communicate on the network correctly at all, you have a working driver |
| 03:54.20 | Wyzard | robert__: sit0? |
| 03:54.21 | mwilson | grotesque: Thus my asking you why you didn |
| 03:54.22 | robert__ | since the pid just crashes after installing it |
| 03:54.26 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: about:config probably has something you can change |
| 03:54.26 | codc | robert__, i have exactly a via rhin on my place and it works withot probs |
| 03:54.27 | mwilson | grotesque: Thus my asking you why you didn't netboot the machine. |
| 03:54.35 | mwilson | grotesque: The only person who's mentioned a CD is you. |
| 03:54.39 | Wyzard | robert__: That's tunneling or something... you should be setting up eth0 |
| 03:55.01 | grotesque | No, what I'm saying is I need to install via PXE ... But not sure how to get started ... |
| 03:55.17 | robert__ | Wyzard, yeah, eth0 is setup properly in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases as alias eth0 via_rhine |
| 03:55.26 | bucky | grotesque, no floppy drive ? |
| 03:55.36 | eflynn | is there a site where kernel configs are posted? |
| 03:55.36 | grotesque | I need to setup the TFTP server, etc... but I was hoping there was a faq for installing debian via PXE as this seemed like it would be common ... No floppy drive ... |
| 03:55.39 | Wyzard | robert__: And does eth0 get set up correctly by DHCP? |
| 03:55.44 | robert__ | and i have /etc/network/interfaces 'iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 03:55.47 | theboneman | ok |
| 03:55.48 | theboneman | Wyzard: |
| 03:55.52 | theboneman | Wyzard: i just installed it :] |
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| 03:55.56 | rixth | After editing grubs menu.lst do you to run anything for it to showup in the menu on boot? |
| 03:55.58 | codc | robert__, fix ips and show if it works |
| 03:56.07 | robert__ | Wyzard, when i run ifup eth0, it crashes after trying to get the DHCP info from Comcast |
| 03:56.10 | theboneman | Wyzard: i can distribute this .deb file right :] |
| 03:56.24 | Wyzard | theboneman: I dunno, read Sun's license agreement carefully |
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| 03:56.39 | [jason] | trave11er: trying with 128MB now, man it's such a pain to remove sticks in ss20 |
| 03:56.47 | Wyzard | robert__: Crashes? Do you get an error message? |
| 03:56.48 | akash | How do you uncompress/install a .bin file? |
| 03:56.52 | Raith | "Cannot start x server, likely that it is not setup correctly, i will now disable x server !" |
| 03:57.01 | rixth | akash, chmod a+x *file* && ./*file* |
| 03:57.06 | robert__ | Wyzard, yeah, No working leases in persistant database. or something similar |
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| 03:57.29 | mwilson | grotesque: Why are you fixated on the idea of using TFTP? |
| 03:57.36 | EvilSporkMan | err...firefox isn't hanging anymore...my cups printer is showing up. maybe xprint automatically detects that on install? O_o |
| 03:57.46 | [jason] | trave11er: nope, still cramfs: wrong magic... |
| 03:57.51 | [jason] | trave11er: weird. |
| 03:57.51 | Wyzard | robert__: Oh, that's not a crash... it just didn't receive any response from the DHCP server, so it checks whether it has any previously-granted leases that haven't expired yet, and didn't find any of those either |
| 03:57.52 | stranger | wow 785 people in debian...between debian, ubuntu, and gentoo that is about everybody |
| 03:57.58 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: No, maybe xprint is crap and you should remove it. |
| 03:58.03 | grotesque | mwilson: I'm not, but I thought that's how PXE worked?! |
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| 03:58.07 | Wyzard | robert__: What you want to troubleshoot is why you didn't get a DHCP response |
| 03:58.08 | robert__ | Wyzard, okay |
| 03:58.08 | trave11er | [jason]: bah |
| 03:58.12 | theboneman | how do i get rid of cpu running in modulated clock mode |
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| 03:58.30 | Raith | help please..? |
| 03:58.30 | Raith | "Cannot start x server, likely that it is not setup correctly, i will now disable x server !" |
| 03:58.32 | trave11er | robert__: check out the bug 311357, it might be relevant |
| 03:58.32 | grotesque | I need to install by booting with the PXE technology on the systems (somehow).. and was trying to find a faq or something on how to setup the server... |
| 03:58.36 | Guerin | !tell akash about java-package |
| 03:58.44 | robert__ | Wyzard, I am thinking I missed something though. since ifup eth0 doesn't bring up anything with sit0, like in my default fedora install |
| 03:58.46 | Guerin | Raith: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 03:58.57 | robert__ | trave11er, alright |
| 03:59.00 | nvz | you know whats annoying? everytime I login it seems my fonts are different. |
| 03:59.13 | Raith | is that it guerin? |
| 03:59.28 | Wyzard | robert__: "ifup eth0" shouldn't be configuring sit0; it should be configuring eth0 |
| 03:59.28 | Raith | my computer has now become a fire hazard...lots of reboots |
| 03:59.35 | nvz | I actually setup my gtkrc-2.0 the other day, and it worked for a while, then it seems every other login it will change |
| 03:59.41 | trave11er | grotesque: how about the installation manual? |
| 03:59.44 | Wyzard | robert__: sit0 is for tunneling IPv6 over IPv4 and is a completely separate matter |
| 03:59.50 | Raith | gurin: that's it right? |
| 03:59.55 | Raith | *guerin |
| 03:59.55 | robert__ | Wyzard, well yes. but do i need to worry about sit0 is what i'm asking |
| 04:00.01 | aiw | to upgrade from woody to sarge, do i need to change the lines in /etc/aps/sources.list to read sarge instead of stable?, and should i remove the non -us lines? |
| 04:00.08 | robert__ | alright, thanks |
| 04:00.25 | Wyzard | robert__: No, you don't need to use sit0 |
| 04:00.35 | asuffield | nvz: my solution was to go through and replace every piece of crap using xft/fontconfig with something that didn't, and rebuild the ones I couldn't replace |
| 04:00.36 | Guerin | Raith: yes. You could have chosen [ ] Desktop; in the install |
| 04:00.39 | robert__ | k, i thought that might be my problem. |
| 04:00.41 | bucky | grotesque, i don't know it there's one for sarge but here's one for a woody bf2.4 install and you can upgrade after you get the base installed |
| 04:00.43 | bucky | http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=818 |
| 04:00.48 | Raith | i did choose desktop in install |
| 04:00.48 | Wyzard | robert__: For troubleshooting your DHCP problem, I suggest using dhcp3-client because it prints more informative messages while it's looking for a lease |
| 04:00.54 | Raith | was i meant to do that?.. |
| 04:01.06 | Guerin | Raith: if you had, you'd have gotten gnome, X and gdm installed at least |
| 04:01.06 | robert__ | okay, to do that i just run dhclient3 -v? |
| 04:01.07 | tcsetattr | aiw, sarge _is_ stable, so if you just leave "stable" in there, you'll be on sarge as soon as you complete an update. But read the release notes first. |
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| 04:01.20 | Raith | so apt-get install x-window-system-core will make it all ok? |
| 04:01.26 | Guerin | Raith: should do. |
| 04:01.28 | Raith | alright |
| 04:01.29 | Wyzard | robert__: Just install dhcp3-client (which will remove dhcp-client in the process) and ifup will use it |
| 04:01.32 | Raith | thanks..i'll be back |
| 04:01.54 | robert__ | DHCPACK from 10.154.112.1 |
| 04:01.54 | robert__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.05 | aiw | i am working through the release notes, they use sarge instead of stable, that's why i asked for clarification, they are great release notes |
| 04:02.07 | mulder_ | if i'm getting a SSL_conect error error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3; alert handshake failure : Success. with ftp-ssl when trying to connect to a vsftpd server, what's wrong? |
| 04:02.37 | Guerin | aiw: hint: the only thing that's EVER released is Stable. Testing and Unstable escape. |
| 04:02.42 | danowoz | Ok, I made it all the way through ithe install this time. but, always a but, xterm didn't start. What should me nexxt move be? |
| 04:02.54 | Wyzard | robert__: Umm... are you connecting straight to Comcast, or are you on someone else's network? |
| 04:02.57 | mwilson | danowoz: Install of what? |
| 04:03.10 | robert__ | Wyzard, straight to comcast, that's why i'm wondering what the local IP is for |
| 04:03.11 | danowoz | debian |
| 04:03.16 | Guerin | danowoz: did you install x and a window manager? |
| 04:03.16 | robert__ | no router or anything |
| 04:03.19 | nvz | asuffield: heh, that sounds like fun. I use sarge with gdm login and sawfish. I just set my gtkrc-2.0 to like 9pt fonts and sometimes I get them sometimes I get like 4pt or something its tiny |
| 04:03.22 | Wyzard | robert__: You should not be getting a 10.x IP address |
| 04:03.30 | robert__ | that's what i'm thinking |
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| 04:03.41 | robert__ | but this is with the connection that's working... |
| 04:03.47 | danowoz | I chose the "gui" package orion, yes |
| 04:03.49 | mwilson | danowoz: Why do you expect an xterm to start? |
| 04:03.57 | codc | xxxxxxxx_, nice nick ;) |
| 04:03.57 | Wyzard | robert__: Could be that some other Comcast subscriber near you is running a misconfigured DHCP server that's serving addresses on its external interface |
| 04:04.09 | Guerin | danowoz: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 04:04.15 | Wyzard | robert__: and all your Internet traffic is going through that person's router, or something |
| 04:04.23 | Wyzard | robert__: |
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| 04:04.26 | Wyzard | robert__: Call Comcast about that |
| 04:04.31 | robert__ | Okay |
| 04:04.35 | danowoz | mwilson, because i it said "starting eterm" and then gave an error |
| 04:04.42 | robert__ | Could my modem be acting as a router even if it's not? |
| 04:04.50 | aiw | i am running hand compiled qmail, and don't want exim installed during the woody ->sarge upgrade, is there some fake package i can install that will prevent that? |
| 04:04.53 | Wyzard | robert__: If it's not meant to be one, then no |
| 04:05.00 | robert__ | didn't think so |
| 04:05.09 | Wyzard | robert__: though it wouldn't hurt to check that it actually isn't one |
| 04:05.12 | codc | robert__, may there a firewall - only an idea |
| 04:05.12 | Guerin | aiw: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 04:05.42 | robert__ | maybe this is the way Comcast is setup in my area? |
| 04:05.45 | pwned | what signal shall I send to stop applications like kicker? |
| 04:06.07 | Wyzard | robert__: Possible, but unlikely |
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| 04:06.39 | Wyzard | robert__: If they're NATting you and not even giving you a single real Internet IP address, they're delivering very poor service |
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| 04:07.05 | Epod69 | hi, i is there a debian package for java, i cant find it anywhere ? |
| 04:07.16 | theboneman | you have to make one |
| 04:07.23 | Wyzard | !tell Epod69 about java-package |
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| 04:07.44 | Guerin | why do people think debian can distribute proprietary software? |
| 04:07.49 | robert__ | Wyzard, is there a file i can add that local IP to just to see if I do get a connection somehow? |
| 04:07.49 | Wyzard | Epod69: There's no Java .deb in the archive, but there's a tool which will build one on your system |
| 04:08.12 | nvz | mwilson: you know netbooting with tftp is IG 4.6. |
| 04:08.18 | Wyzard | robert__: Well, weird DHCP server aside, your dhclient should still successfully complete the negotiation and get a lease |
| 04:08.23 | bucky | Guerin, because other distros do it? |
| 04:08.27 | robert__ | true |
| 04:08.37 | Wyzard | robert__: And you said you got a DHCPACK, so it sounds like it did |
| 04:08.46 | Wyzard | robert__: Maybe it's just not providing DNS info? |
| 04:08.49 | Guerin | bucky: only non-free-software distros like luse. |
| 04:08.57 | theboneman | ok |
| 04:08.57 | MobyTurbo | bucky: most other distros don't do it either. Red Hat doesn't, for example. |
| 04:08.59 | bucky | mandrivel |
| 04:09.03 | nvz | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
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| 04:09.13 | theboneman | i got sun-j2re1.4.4.2+08_i386.deb |
| 04:09.26 | robert__ | Wyzard, well, this is on the Fedora install that I ran that ifconfig through that printed the local IP |
| 04:09.27 | Guerin | I guess the question is: "how can people who use ANY linux distro not understand the difference between free and proprietary software?" |
| 04:09.28 | theboneman | i think sun clearly states in there license i am able to distribute it, unmodified |
| 04:09.31 | Wyzard | theboneman: 1.5 is available, you know |
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| 04:09.42 | MobyTurbo | bucky: I've played with a lot of distributions and mandrake, or whatever they are calling it now, is the only one I hated. |
| 04:09.50 | theboneman | .. |
| 04:09.55 | Epod69 | sorry, im i little confused, at the end of what dpkg says is apt-get install java-package, what else do i have to do after installing that ? |
| 04:09.55 | bucky | but they have java |
| 04:09.56 | pwned | Guerin: it could still be in the non-free repository. |
| 04:09.57 | Wyzard | robert__: oh, ok... then check whether your Debian installation completes the DHCP process, I guess |
| 04:10.03 | theboneman | wtf |
| 04:10.05 | robert__ | Wyzard, it doesn't |
| 04:10.06 | theboneman | i thought i did get 1.5 |
| 04:10.07 | theboneman | lmfao |
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| 04:10.10 | robert__ | that's why i'm setting it up manually |
| 04:10.18 | nvz | my father still thinks free means free beer |
| 04:10.23 | theboneman | LOL |
| 04:10.23 | Wyzard | theboneman: btw, that .deb package is not "unmodified" |
| 04:10.31 | nvz | I've explained the definition of free to him many times |
| 04:10.37 | robert__ | free beer? where |
| 04:10.38 | Guerin | pwned: i don't believe it could, because it has to be UNMODIFIED, and would thus have to not be debianised |
| 04:10.43 | Wyzard | robert__: How far does it get in the process? |
| 04:10.50 | nvz | he still thinks everyone works and makes no money |
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| 04:11.13 | pwned | Guerin: so if a third party debian repository has it, is that illegal? |
| 04:11.18 | theboneman | ok Wyzard that sucks then :\ |
| 04:11.22 | robert__ | DHCPDISCOVER on lo to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 |
| 04:11.29 | robert__ | just does that with eth0 and lo a few times |
| 04:11.36 | Wyzard | nvz: My father used to think FOSS was fundamentalyl unsustainable, until I gave him a copy of "The Cathedral & The Bazaar" to read |
| 04:11.39 | robert__ | then gets the No persistant IP leases in databases error |
| 04:11.43 | Subvertir | I've been using kubuntu on my laptop |
| 04:11.45 | theboneman | Wyzard i dont think that will cause any damages will it ? |
| 04:11.45 | robert__ | or some error like that |
| 04:11.46 | Subvertir | and <3 it |
| 04:11.54 | Wyzard | robert__: OK, so it's not even getting a DHCPOFFER from the server |
| 04:11.56 | cat_ | oh boy |
| 04:11.57 | bucky | i think ESR is unstable |
| 04:11.57 | Guerin | pwned: depends. |
| 04:11.58 | robert__ | yeah |
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| 04:12.05 | Guerin | esr it a nutcase |
| 04:12.15 | simonrvn | DHCPDISCOVER on lo? |
| 04:12.15 | nvz | Wyzard: heh. I wish I could hand my father something that he would actually read, but I dont have a TV Guide or a Porn Mag around |
| 04:12.19 | cat | i fanily got my Debian T_SHirt |
| 04:12.25 | simonrvn | ah |
| 04:12.40 | MobyTurbo | no, esr is not a nutcase. esr is rich, therefore he's merely eccentric. |
| 04:12.45 | bucky | nvz put the book in the loo |
| 04:12.46 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:12.52 | Wyzard | robert__: Oh, simonrvn has a good point... that line shows it attempting DHCP on lo, not eth0 |
| 04:13.03 | pwned | the other day I googled "debian warez" and there was such a repository. heh |
| 04:13.06 | simonrvn | no he then said it looks on eth0 too |
| 04:13.12 | robert__ | Wyzard, yes, i merely copied that because I don't have the console for the sarge install handy :> |
| 04:13.14 | simonrvn | robert__ just does that with eth0 and lo a few times |
| 04:13.15 | nvz | I don't know where the loo is :P |
| 04:13.20 | robert__ | yea |
| 04:13.29 | Wyzard | robert__: ah, ok |
| 04:13.30 | nvz | donde esta el loo? |
| 04:13.39 | nvz | la loo, maybe even |
| 04:13.40 | simonrvn | nvz: to your right, 3rd door on the left |
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| 04:13.45 | bucky | the bathroom |
| 04:13.52 | nvz | I figured thats what you meant |
| 04:13.54 | Wyzard | robert__: Well, I think the first step is to talk to Comcast and find out what that 10.x DHCP server is |
| 04:13.59 | theboneman | anyone know how to change the fonts settings for every letter i see? |
| 04:14.00 | nvz | but I dont know what language or slang that is |
| 04:14.02 | MobyTurbo | nvz: loo ends with an o, masculine. :-) |
| 04:14.02 | simonrvn | ok, this is stupid |
| 04:14.13 | Wyzard | robert__: Its failure to respond to Debian's dhclient is more likely a problem on its end than on yours |
| 04:14.17 | MobyTurbo | nvz: loo is British english |
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| 04:14.21 | robert__ | Wyzard, man, I doubt any of the "techs" at comcast will know... |
| 04:14.22 | robert__ | lol |
| 04:14.25 | nvz | oh, I see |
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| 04:14.35 | robert__ | I fear talking to them |
| 04:14.45 | cat | y? |
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| 04:14.50 | nvz | I would be afraid to go there and talk like that, people might think I was being cocky |
| 04:14.51 | MobyTurbo | !y |
| 04:14.51 | dpkg | it has been said that y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 04:14.54 | cat | oh we don't support Linux (: |
| 04:14.59 | bucky | some people only read when they're sitting on the toilet |
| 04:15.06 | codc | robert__, they never have a prob on there site |
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| 04:15.19 | theboneman | anyone know how to change the fonts settings for every letter i see? |
| 04:15.33 | Wyzard | robert__: Just tell them you're getting your IP address from a suspicious DHCP server and you're concerned another customer may be attempting a man-in-the-middle attack |
| 04:15.34 | codc | in my expirience its allway there prob |
| 04:15.54 | bucky | theboneman, wear different glasses? |
| 04:15.56 | nvz | theboneman: I cant figure out how to change the font settings on anything other than my aterm, and it only seems to accept certain char box sizes |
| 04:15.59 | Wyzard | robert__: Hopefully they'll realize you know what you're talking about and transfer you to someone who can respond intelligently :-) |
| 04:16.09 | robert__ | lol, that will take a half hour |
| 04:16.19 | nvz | well in mozilla I can use the keyboard shortcut, but it wont stay that way |
| 04:16.25 | robert__ | they like to hang up on you instead of admitting it's their problem |
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| 04:16.43 | Wyzard | robert__: Wouldn't hurt to plug in a Windows box just so you can oblige them with their basic troubleshooting stuff |
| 04:16.44 | bucky | comcast doesn't support linux |
| 04:16.44 | nvz | I've been using linux for over half a decade now, and I've always had problems with fonts |
| 04:17.01 | MobyTurbo | theboneman: you can make default settings for xft using gtk2 and maybe KDE programs by editing local.conf (I forgot which directory its in, look for it) |
| 04:17.14 | theboneman | heh |
| 04:17.18 | nvz | by now I know how I am suppose to change most fonts, it just never works in practice. |
| 04:17.19 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: /etc/fontconfig ? |
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| 04:17.21 | theboneman | xft ? |
| 04:17.24 | MobyTurbo | s/xft/Xft2/ |
| 04:17.38 | Wyzard | Sorry, /etc/fonts |
| 04:17.39 | codc | dhcp is afaik under linux, win and mac the same stuff |
| 04:17.44 | nvz | when I login to sawfish from gdm, it only respects my ~/.gtkrc-2.0 sometimes |
| 04:17.47 | robert__ | I am pretty sure that 10.x IP is just their stupid DHCP server, they probably didn't want to waste an Arin IP on a DHCP server |
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| 04:17.54 | Epod69 | how do i use/get the tool to build the .deb package for installing java ? |
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| 04:18.07 | Wyzard | codc: Yes, it is, but the front-line techs at Comcast don't know anything about DHCP... they just know what buttons to click in Windows |
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| 04:18.10 | Raith | "XIO: Fatal IO error 104 ( connection reset by peer) ":0.0" after 0 requests (O known processed) with 0 events remaining" |
| 04:18.18 | Wyzard | Epod69: apt-get install java-package; man make-jpkg |
| 04:18.24 | nvz | the moon is hidden behind the clouds right now, so my ~/.gtkrc-2.0 was not read this time I logged in |
| 04:18.28 | codc | Wyzard, i know the prob |
| 04:18.31 | nvz | or something weird like that |
| 04:18.34 | theboneman | needs to add the sources Wyzard |
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| 04:18.42 | Raith | hey..boneman ? |
| 04:18.50 | theboneman | yes ? |
| 04:18.52 | Raith | "XIO: Fatal IO error 104 ( connection reset by peer) ":0.0" after 0 requests (O known processed) with 0 events remaining" |
| 04:18.55 | Wyzard | Epod69: java-package is in contrib, so you need to have contrib in your sources.list |
| 04:18.55 | SaratogaCx | Hell everyone :) |
| 04:18.58 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: I think it depends on if debfoma is managing your fonts. Unfortunately I know 0 about debfoma |
| 04:18.58 | theboneman | yes Raith |
| 04:18.59 | robert__ | Wyzard, can you run dhclient3 and see if you get an arin IP or a local IP? |
| 04:19.02 | Raith | should i just reinstall..there are way too many problems.. |
| 04:19.05 | theboneman | Raith did u try startx ? |
| 04:19.12 | nvz | !yinzersmite SaratogaCx |
| 04:19.13 | Raith | yup...doesn't work |
| 04:19.15 | Epod69 | Wyzard, have no clue what contrib is... |
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| 04:19.17 | theboneman | ok |
| 04:19.20 | Wyzard | robert__: My router uses dhclient3 and gets a real IP |
| 04:19.23 | robert__ | on DHCPACK |
| 04:19.25 | Raith | reinstall ? |
| 04:19.27 | SaratogaCx | ouch |
| 04:19.27 | theboneman | type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:19.39 | robert__ | hmm |
| 04:19.46 | theboneman | choose the default settings by hitting enter Raith |
| 04:19.49 | Wyzard | robert__: FWIW, I'm in Pennsylvania |
| 04:19.55 | loke | !beer everybody |
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| 04:19.58 | Raith | so after that..i should be good? |
| 04:20.08 | theboneman | yeah hopefully |
| 04:20.11 | codc | Wyzard, as my inet becomes slow they told me about windows virus and blaster and so ... then i said them i use GNU/Linux |
| 04:20.14 | loke | hello |
| 04:20.15 | Raith | alright..thanks..i'll be back |
| 04:20.17 | theboneman | Yeap |
| 04:20.20 | theboneman | heh |
| 04:20.23 | theboneman | why does he leave ;\ |
| 04:20.31 | bucky | Wyzard, do you work for TimeSys ? |
| 04:20.33 | nvz | I'm in Pennsylvania, too god help us all out of this commonwealth of poverty |
| 04:20.41 | Wyzard | bucky: no |
| 04:20.45 | Epod69 | can someone tell me what contrib is... |
| 04:20.59 | loke | Epod69 crontab? |
| 04:21.09 | Wyzard | codc: Well, worm traffic still causes slowdowns even when your machine isn't infected |
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| 04:21.14 | bucky | Epod69, it's an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:21.15 | Wyzard | loke: No, contrib as in main/contrib/non-free |
| 04:21.19 | bd_ | Epod69: Packages which depend on contrib or non-free packages |
| 04:21.23 | bd_ | Epod69: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-contrib |
| 04:21.26 | theboneman | WTF |
| 04:21.33 | nvz | Epod69: Debian Policy Manual 2.2.2 http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-contrib |
| 04:21.34 | SaratogaCx | I've just installed a knoppix3.9/debian build on my computer and I have come across an interesting problem. When KDE loads it can take 3-6 minutes to load the gui after the splash screen, has anyone seen this? |
| 04:21.50 | codc | Wyzard, i know but from 2mbit to about 56kbit ? |
| 04:22.00 | loke | SaratogaCx try #knoppix |
| 04:22.05 | nvz | can anyone tell I've been bored and reading a lot of documentation lately? |
| 04:22.08 | SaratogaCx | THanks |
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| 04:22.20 | nvz | I read the FHS for no apperent reason today |
| 04:22.21 | loke | nvz i can tell |
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| 04:22.32 | trave11er | nvz: that's sick :-) |
| 04:22.35 | nvz | and I actually found it interesting |
| 04:22.37 | nvz | heh |
| 04:22.37 | loke | what is fhs? |
| 04:22.44 | robert__ | Wyzard, which CD is dhcp3-client on? |
| 04:22.45 | nvz | File Hierarchy Standard |
| 04:22.56 | trave11er | filesystem |
| 04:23.00 | trave11er | not file |
| 04:23.03 | nvz | yeah that too |
| 04:23.10 | loke | ahh |
| 04:23.12 | nvz | plus one, but only on sundays |
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| 04:23.27 | nvz | when its foggy out like it is this morning |
| 04:23.31 | MobyTurbo | !nvz++ |
| 04:23.36 | nvz | (; |
| 04:23.38 | Wyzard | robert__: no idea; I use HTTP sources |
| 04:23.51 | codc | nvz, europe ? |
| 04:23.52 | robert__ | shit |
| 04:23.55 | loke | robert__ why not just apt-get it? |
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| 04:24.08 | loke | nvz usa? |
| 04:24.23 | Wyzard | robert__: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/dhcp3-client |
| 04:24.23 | codc | lol |
| 04:24.37 | robert__ | thanks |
| 04:25.02 | Wyzard | robert__: Make sure you get the dependencies (like dhcp3-common) too |
| 04:25.13 | robert__ | ok |
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| 04:25.27 | RichardC | is apt-get install apache ok to install apache? |
| 04:25.36 | Wyzard | RichardC: yes |
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| 04:25.41 | Wyzard | RichardC: Note that there's also apache2 |
| 04:25.51 | SaratogaCx | no one in the knoppix chan is talking. |
| 04:26.01 | bucky | apache2 is better |
| 04:26.17 | bucky | RichardC, which version of apache do you want? |
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| 04:26.30 | Epod69 | what do i have to add to the sources.list to get contrib |
| 04:26.33 | Epod69 | ? |
| 04:26.53 | RichardC | im not sure which version i want |
| 04:26.58 | robert__ | Wyzard, i'm not very familiar with debian... so, after I download these packages how do I install them without apt-get? |
| 04:27.02 | bucky | Epod69, deb http://archive.progeny.com/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 04:27.03 | RichardC | gonna run mysql and php |
| 04:27.08 | robert__ | i'm used to rpm based systems, heh |
| 04:27.15 | SaratogaCx | RichardC the most common are 2 and 1.33, both will use mysql and php |
| 04:27.29 | initech | robert__: why not just use apt-get? |
| 04:27.30 | SaratogaCx | I would agree that 2 is a better version if you don't have a reason that you can't use it |
| 04:27.37 | robert__ | initech, no connection. |
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| 04:27.56 | initech | robert__: no cd's either? |
| 04:28.01 | robert__ | just the first |
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| 04:28.04 | robert__ | it's not on the first |
| 04:28.14 | loke | robert__ dpkg -i |
| 04:28.27 | loke | robert__ to install .deb packages |
| 04:28.29 | robert__ | thx |
| 04:28.31 | loke | np |
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| 04:28.50 | rixth | How can I get tempatures inside my comp? |
| 04:28.57 | loke | acpi |
| 04:29.00 | rixth | make that computer |
| 04:29.01 | loke | or apm |
| 04:29.18 | loke | rixth acpi -V |
| 04:29.18 | rixth | What's a command to run? |
| 04:29.26 | rixth | bash: apci: command not found |
| 04:29.29 | loke | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ that one |
| 04:29.31 | dondelelcaro | rixth: acpi |
| 04:29.33 | loke | you have to install it |
| 04:29.42 | danowoz | is there a comand I can use to recoonfigure x server? |
| 04:29.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell danowoz about set up x |
| 04:29.47 | SaratogaCx | Rixth, you can also use GKrellM |
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| 04:29.53 | rixth | E: Couldn't find package apci |
| 04:30.02 | dondelelcaro | rixth: ACPI. NOT APCI. |
| 04:30.05 | codc | danowoz, debian |
| 04:30.06 | codc | ? |
| 04:30.07 | rixth | Oh yes, sorry :) |
| 04:30.16 | loke | !tell danowoz recongiure x |
| 04:30.22 | loke | !tell danowoz about recongiure x |
| 04:30.26 | loke | fuck |
| 04:30.32 | loke | dpkg reconfigure x |
| 04:30.32 | dpkg | [reconfigure x] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>". |
| 04:30.34 | rixth | No support for device type: battery |
| 04:30.34 | rixth | No support for device type: thermal No support for device type: ac_adapter |
| 04:30.44 | Wyzard | RichardC: Use PostgreSQL, not MySQL :-) |
| 04:30.49 | loke | rixth you have to install acpi in your kernel |
| 04:30.53 | nvz | what the hell is the "europe?" "usa?" crap about |
| 04:30.55 | rixth | I have a AMD Athlon XP (32bit) |
| 04:31.04 | rixth | Oh okay, h well, next time. |
| 04:31.05 | nvz | I walked away and forgot what the hell I was talking about |
| 04:31.10 | loke | nvz it was cloudy in cali usa today |
| 04:31.23 | loke | nvz werent you talking about clouds? |
| 04:31.24 | robert__ | rained here in colorado, again |
| 04:31.30 | loke | or was that some one else? |
| 04:31.32 | nvz | I was talking about fog |
| 04:31.35 | codc | loke, in germany its cold |
| 04:31.58 | codc | and also cloudy |
| 04:32.14 | loke | nvz well cloudy fog same shit |
| 04:32.30 | loke | foggy* |
| 04:32.49 | loke | im studing for my ccnp at the moment |
| 04:33.02 | loke | gonna go take the last to tests to complete my ccnp in a week |
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| 04:33.09 | loke | two tests* |
| 04:33.10 | robert__ | ccnp? |
| 04:33.18 | loke | cisco cert. network professional |
| 04:33.22 | robert__ | ahh |
| 04:33.26 | loke | yup |
| 04:33.38 | robert__ | expensive? |
| 04:33.43 | loke | then, i will start working on ccie |
| 04:33.53 | loke | robert__ not to bad, 4 tests each $125 |
| 04:33.55 | loke | so |
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| 04:34.08 | loke | $500 |
| 04:34.17 | codc | more expensiv then lpi |
| 04:34.22 | loke | lpi? |
| 04:34.25 | robert__ | yeah, that's not bad at all |
| 04:34.28 | loke | ccie is $1500 |
| 04:34.36 | loke | rhce is $800 i think |
| 04:34.44 | codc | linux professionell instituts |
| 04:34.53 | loke | but you definitley make more money |
| 04:34.57 | acacs | linux professsional instute |
| 04:35.02 | robert__ | are comptia certs worth the money at all? |
| 04:35.07 | acacs | linux professsional institute |
| 04:35.10 | robert__ | i've been thinking about taking a couple |
| 04:35.16 | loke | eeeh |
| 04:35.20 | nvz | in leetsdale its hot, humid, and foggy I figure about 72degF(22degC) |
| 04:35.22 | codc | http://www.lpi.org |
| 04:35.30 | loke | i think redhat enterprise is hot on the corporate side of linux |
| 04:35.44 | robert__ | yeah, i thought about doing RHCE |
| 04:35.47 | loke | so redhat certs are a good investment... |
| 04:35.52 | robert__ | i heard that's a tough test though |
| 04:35.57 | loke | i am gonna take rhce after ccie |
| 04:36.07 | loke | rhce is 5 hours i think, all hands one |
| 04:36.08 | robert__ | and strenuous |
| 04:36.09 | loke | rhce is 5 hours i think, all hands on |
| 04:36.12 | robert__ | ahh |
| 04:36.17 | robert__ | not so bad |
| 04:36.23 | loke | its hard. |
| 04:36.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | but you have to know your shit |
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| 04:36.28 | robert__ | is novell doing any cert programs now? |
| 04:36.30 | robert__ | or ibm? |
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| 04:36.38 | loke | not sure if novel has any |
| 04:36.54 | robert__ | what about sco? |
| 04:36.55 | robert__ | lol |
| 04:36.56 | robert__ | j/k |
| 04:37.02 | loke | man, fuck sco |
| 04:37.06 | loke | i hate that OS |
| 04:37.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | thers LPI, but thats not bound to one distro |
| 04:37.14 | robert__ | lol |
| 04:37.18 | loke | debian needs some certs |
| 04:37.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | i think those 2 are it |
| 04:37.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | (for major ones anyway) |
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| 04:37.45 | loke | i want to get the ethical hacker cert, lol |
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| 04:38.17 | theboneman | how can i check if this is debian 3.1 |
| 04:38.20 | snadge | i have a laptop running debian with hard drive with read errors.. can someone suggest a rescue disk i can download with reiserfs support and reiserfsck? :) |
| 04:38.21 | loke | sup boneman |
| 04:38.31 | loke | cat /etc/debian-relase |
| 04:38.34 | loke | cat /etc/debian-release |
| 04:38.35 | jariep1_ | can anybody recommend where you can buy cheap RAM modules? |
| 04:38.38 | jariep1_ | online |
| 04:38.46 | loke | jariep1_ try tigerdirect.com |
| 04:38.51 | robert__ | jariep1_, ebay, newegg |
| 04:38.52 | MobyTurbo | theboneman: that's /etc/debian_version |
| 04:38.55 | robert__ | avoid tigerdirect like the plague |
| 04:39.03 | loke | MobyTurbo i was close, but no cigar! |
| 04:39.04 | theboneman | rofl |
| 04:39.06 | jariep1_ | robert_, why |
| 04:39.09 | robert__ | I bought some nice Transcend 512mb from newegg for $40 |
| 04:39.10 | loke | robert__ avoid? |
| 04:39.21 | robert__ | shitty customer support |
| 04:39.25 | loke | ahh |
| 04:39.27 | robert__ | try to return anything |
| 04:39.29 | MobyTurbo | loke: how many coronas so far? ;-) |
| 04:39.33 | loke | ebay has cheap shit |
| 04:39.40 | loke | MobyTurbo only 3 |
| 04:39.40 | robert__ | try to send in mail in rebates |
| 04:39.46 | rixth | My kernle compilation always dies here, drivers/char/drm/ Any ideas/what is that device/driver? |
| 04:40.00 | loke | rixth w8 |
| 04:40.07 | loke | i will get you a good readme |
| 04:40.15 | loke | works everytime for me |
| 04:40.18 | rixth | Okay, thanks :) |
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| 04:40.24 | snadge | does the debian install disks support nfs ? eg.. can i boot into debian installer, and mount an nfs share after configuring the network? |
| 04:40.55 | loke | rixth follow this one, its great, http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php |
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| 04:41.09 | rixth | Thanks! |
| 04:41.14 | robert__ | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820208129 |
| 04:41.16 | robert__ | $39 |
| 04:41.18 | loke | rixth here is more if you want, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian%2Bkernel%2Bcompile&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 04:42.04 | loke | rixth i really like that myrddin kernel compile howto |
| 04:42.10 | _NiNJA_ | Anyone know how to get a version of nvidia-kernel-source that works with version 2.2.x kernels ? |
| 04:42.37 | loke | _NiNJA_ google maybe??? |
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| 04:43.05 | loke | !beer #debian |
| 04:43.07 | Wyzard | _NiNJA_: Maybe the old nvidia-kernel-src package from woody |
| 04:43.26 | loke | nice guinness, pour up some black & tans |
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| 04:44.15 | codc | pff - guinness - like motoroil ....... :( |
| 04:44.20 | loke | lol |
| 04:44.28 | loke | whatever floats your boat |
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| 04:44.41 | MobyTurbo | loke: ordering a "black & tan" in an Irish bar is a good way to start a fight. |
| 04:44.49 | loke | MobyTurbo why? |
| 04:45.12 | MobyTurbo | loke: the "Black & Tan"s were a bunch of thugs sent to put down rebellion in Ireland. |
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| 04:45.23 | loke | MobyTurbo wow |
| 04:45.27 | loke | MobyTurbo good to know |
| 04:45.53 | mngrif | is there a way to get dillo's https support in debian w/o recompiling it by hand? |
| 04:45.58 | loke | im on this mexican craze latley |
| 04:46.12 | loke | mngrif prolly edit the conf file? |
| 04:46.27 | loke | coronas, tacos, negra modelo |
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| 04:46.32 | Rockret | I have soundboard sb0410 model 24 bit 7.1, i am using debian 3.1 with kernel 2.6.8. Do I need upgrade kernel to get new version of alsa ? |
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| 04:46.39 | _NiNJA_ | loke/wyzard: thanks ... I could always upgrade to 2.4 I guess ... |
| 04:46.41 | mngrif | loke: nope, you have to recompile the binary |
| 04:46.52 | Wyzard | _NiNJA_: Or 2.6, while you're at it |
| 04:47.32 | Wyzard | Rockret: That's a pretty recent kernel. Unless your soundcard was just released last month or something and is not based on any other sound card, it should be supported already. |
| 04:47.38 | hejux | hi |
| 04:47.49 | hejux | gi |
| 04:47.58 | hejux | hi |
| 04:48.00 | Wyzard | Rockret: Google tells me "SB0410" is an SB Live... those work just fine |
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| 04:48.08 | hejux | anybody could help |
| 04:48.12 | Wyzard | Rockret: "snd-emu10k1" is the driver you want (or install discover, which will load it for you) |
| 04:48.17 | _NiNJA_ | I think 2.2.x still uses IPchains etc .... if I go from 2.2.x to 2.6.x or 2.4.x .... how painful is it going to be ? ... dont run any firewall etc .. just routed net config to my xDSL router which has a firewall :) |
| 04:48.17 | MobyTurbo | !anybody |
| 04:48.18 | Rockret | it is .. SB live 24 BIt |
| 04:48.18 | dpkg | anyone is probably ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 04:48.18 | mngrif | hejux: helps to tell us your problem. |
| 04:48.22 | robert__ | Wyzard, i have one more question. any idea how come the dhcp server wasn't detected by the debian install? |
| 04:48.27 | woz | yes |
| 04:48.30 | Rockret | how to do that ? |
| 04:48.37 | rixth | Roughly how lnog should a kernel compilation take? half an hour? |
| 04:48.48 | mngrif | rixth: how fast is your box? |
| 04:48.50 | _NiNJA_ | rixth: depends on how fast your cpu is |
| 04:48.54 | robert__ | but other debian based OS'es including knoppix & ubuntu detected it |
| 04:48.55 | exobyte | if a dns is set incorrectly, will http://64.233.187.99/ still work? (a google ip) |
| 04:48.57 | Wyzard | robert__: It's not an issue of "detecting" anything... your DHCP client sent a request for offers, and the server didn't respond |
| 04:49.04 | rixth | Athlon XP 2800 OC'd to 2180mhz. |
| 04:49.11 | robert__ | Wyzard, i had to set that up manually |
| 04:49.14 | robert__ | even to get that far |
| 04:49.17 | _NiNJA_ | rixth: dmesg |grep -i bogo |
| 04:49.18 | hejux | i installed debian from sarge and now in wmaker X,but my the charactor of my lang cannt be correctly displayed |
| 04:49.22 | Wyzard | exobyte: It should, but if the site you're trying to reach uses virtual hosting, it won't know which named host you wanted, and will serve you the default |
| 04:49.27 | Rockret | Wyzard: where I can find discovery ? |
| 04:49.30 | robert__ | the debian sarge install said i "probably did not use" dhcp |
| 04:49.32 | Epod69 | thanx everyone for the help, i now got java installed =) |
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| 04:49.39 | Wyzard | Rockret: apt-get install discover |
| 04:49.39 | robert__ | ugh |
| 04:49.40 | robert__ | java |
| 04:49.42 | robert__ | lol |
| 04:49.47 | rixth | bogomips : 4325.37 |
| 04:49.51 | Epod69 | where does debian put its packages when they are downloaded |
| 04:49.53 | MobyTurbo | !tell robert__ -about enter |
| 04:49.55 | Rockret | let me try .. thanks |
| 04:50.02 | _NiNJA_ | rixth: pretty fast .. should take any more than 30 mins |
| 04:50.03 | MobyTurbo | Epod69: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:50.07 | hejux | how do i correctly display my language ? |
| 04:50.09 | _NiNJA_ | shoudnt even |
| 04:50.10 | Epod69 | thanx |
| 04:50.12 | carminati | how do I make my soundboard works using ALSA and OSS ? |
| 04:50.17 | hejux | anyone could help ? |
| 04:50.19 | Wyzard | robert__: Maybe some difference in the Debian dhclient, but you'd have to investigate more closely to know whether it's a bug in dhclient, or a legitimate difference in dhclient that's triggering a bug on the server side |
| 04:50.29 | exobyte | Wyzard: so, if it doesn't work, nat is probably not working. wait, I can just ping it |
| 04:50.33 | dvs | carminati: Depends what sound card you have |
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| 04:50.45 | dvs | carminati: "alsaconf" is the fastest way |
| 04:50.50 | hejux | hi Wyzard |
| 04:50.53 | hejux | pm ? |
| 04:50.55 | hejux | ok |
| 04:50.57 | hejux | ? |
| 04:51.02 | rixth | _NiNJA_, thanks! |
| 04:51.06 | robert__ | well im off to install dhcp3-client, brb |
| 04:51.13 | Wyzard | hejux: You'd probably get more help in the Chinese Debian channel... most of us here probably don't have experience with that |
| 04:51.34 | Wyzard | hejux: Don't ask me; I have no experience configuring Debian for Chinese |
| 04:51.47 | Wyzard | sorry |
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| 04:51.59 | hejux | ok thanks |
| 04:52.06 | carminati | dvs, i installed alsaconf with apt-get... but it didn't work... my soundboard is "SiS" |
| 04:52.34 | rixth | Do I need MCA support? (Is MCA the on older than ISA?) |
| 04:52.37 | dvs | carminati: Run "lspic | grep audio" |
| 04:52.42 | dvs | oops |
| 04:52.48 | Rockret | Wyzard: Here show like "Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
| 04:52.48 | Rockret | " |
| 04:52.49 | dvs | I mean lspci | grep audio |
| 04:52.56 | Wyzard | rixth: MCA came between ISA and PCI, and was never commonly used |
| 04:52.57 | MobyTurbo | rixth: MCA is a now-dead bus made on some IBM PS/2s |
| 04:53.09 | rixth | No point to have support for it then eh? |
| 04:53.12 | carminati | dvs, 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 04:53.16 | MobyTurbo | rixth: right |
| 04:53.17 | Rockret | Wyzard: and now ? How can i change driver ? |
| 04:53.32 | Wyzard | Rockret: Try loading the "snd-emu10k1" module and see if that works |
| 04:53.40 | dvs | carminati: Hmmm... I'm not sure what sound driver that is. |
| 04:53.42 | Epod69 | how can you edit the menu in gnome ? |
| 04:54.18 | dvs | carminati: What does "uname -r" say? |
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| 04:54.21 | Wyzard | carminati: If you install "discover", it'll automatically detect hardware and load the appropriate modules when you boot |
| 04:54.31 | Rockret | Wyzard: good question .. how do I need that .. "loading the snd-emul0k1" ? |
| 04:55.05 | Rockret | here 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 04:55.09 | hejux | i am very puzzled |
| 04:55.11 | carminati | Wyzard, apt-get ?? |
| 04:55.23 | nvz | rixth: MicroChannel Architecture? - IBM's answer to the failings of its older PC bus, which is now referred to as the ISA bus, article discusses the problems and short falls it had. |
| 04:55.37 | carminati | dvs, "uname -r" >>> 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:55.40 | dvs | namely licencing |
| 04:55.58 | theboneman | umm |
| 04:55.58 | dvs | carminati: No wonder. That doesn't have alsa built in |
| 04:56.03 | nvz | rixth: either that or its a MultiChannel Analyser.. which I doubt |
| 04:56.40 | dvs | carminati: you have to get "alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386" |
| 04:56.41 | carminati | dvs, when i install debian with "linux26" mouse doesn't work |
| 04:56.51 | hejux | how to make debian display chinese correctly ? |
| 04:56.58 | hejux | anyone could help ? |
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| 04:57.33 | Rockret | Wyzard: how do I load the "snd-emu10k1" module? |
| 04:57.42 | codc | carminati, try /etc/init.d/hotplug and show which modules loaded |
| 04:57.45 | Epod69 | does noone use gnome ? |
| 04:57.54 | carminati | codc, ok |
| 04:58.05 | theboneman | rofl |
| 04:58.05 | codc | and than edit /etc/modules.conf |
| 04:58.09 | theboneman | gnome suky ;\ |
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| 04:58.14 | Wyzard | Rockret: modprobe |
| 04:58.16 | bucky | Rockret, run alsaconf |
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| 04:58.42 | aiw | i have just finished the upgrade from woody to sarge, and now courier-imap does not use authvkcpw, so my squirrelmail and imap doesn't work, i edited imapd to use the old setting, but still not working, any ideas? |
| 04:58.48 | Sora_Aoi | i need to setup a ftp server temporary |
| 04:58.50 | Sora_Aoi | which one should i get? |
| 04:58.55 | carminati | codc, how can i show you "/etc/init.d/hotplug" |
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| 04:59.10 | Epod69 | theboneman, y, i have used blackbox and kde, and am now using gnome and it seems pretty solid. It seems a lot faster then kde, not faster then blackbox though, but it looks nicer |
| 04:59.13 | tetragon | sure is a lot of activity now and gnowledge being shared on the Linux Virtual Server Project and their new HOWTOs....but why are so many interested in it....does anybody really use a server? |
| 04:59.14 | codc | not show - execute |
| 04:59.58 | Epod69 | probably the biggest debian based distro, ubuntu, uses gnome... |
| 05:00.04 | Wyzard | tetragon: Servers are part of Debian's target audience |
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| 05:00.44 | tetragon | Wyzard: well is debian supplying the Linux Virtual Server as one of its packages with say Sarge 14CD collection |
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| 05:00.49 | loke | Epod69 ubuntu is debian based?? does it use apt? |
| 05:01.09 | Epod69 | loke, i dont know, i thought it did |
| 05:01.10 | carminati | codc, ./hotplug start? |
| 05:01.17 | tetragon | Wyzard: but how many people really need a Linux Virtual Server |
| 05:01.32 | Wyzard | loke: Yes, it does |
| 05:01.35 | loke | tetragon does anyone use a server?lol? you are using an irc server right now. |
| 05:01.37 | bigbill52a | the kde in ubuntu crashes my xserver after about 10 minutes |
| 05:01.42 | tetragon | i can only think of two..that have any activity for this.....wikimedia and piratebay |
| 05:01.44 | codc | carminati, if you are in the directory yes |
| 05:01.51 | nvz | !info ipvsadm |
| 05:01.54 | dpkg | ipvsadm: (Linux Virtual Server support programs), section net, is extra. Version: 1.24+1.21-1 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 05:02.00 | Wyzard | tetragon: If you're asking why anyone would want to run a server... the Internet wouldn't be very useful without them |
| 05:02.05 | loke | bigbill52a try #ubuntu |
| 05:02.07 | nvz | !info keepalived |
| 05:02.10 | dpkg | keepalived: (Failover and monitoring daemon for LVS clusters), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.1.11-3 (sid), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 05:02.11 | Epod69 | bigbill52a, well that sux =P, did you use kubuntu ? |
| 05:02.11 | carminati | codc, what do i do now? |
| 05:02.18 | nvz | !info ldirectord |
| 05:02.22 | dpkg | ldirectord: (Monitors virtual services provided by LVS), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.2.3-9 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 05:02.22 | loke | !seen guering |
| 05:02.23 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'guering', loke |
| 05:02.24 | bigbill52a | yes |
| 05:02.24 | loke | !seen guerin |
| 05:02.24 | dpkg | guerin is currently on #debian (23h 33m 44s). Has said a total of 104249 messages. Is idling for 49m 39s |
| 05:02.34 | Epod69 | lol |
| 05:02.36 | bigbill52a | now using debian...just a few problems here... |
| 05:02.54 | nvz | !info kernel-patch-vserver |
| 05:02.57 | dpkg | kernel-patch-vserver: (context switching virtual private servers - kernel patch), section devel, is extra. Version: 1.9.5.3 (sid), Packaged size: 428 kB, Installed size: 536 kB |
| 05:02.59 | bigbill52a | tried woody in oct 2003 when it first came out |
| 05:03.09 | Epod69 | what windows manager does everyone use here ? |
| 05:03.16 | tetragon | dpkg: well i see some material for everyone on the load balancing features...but i still don't see much gnowledge going around widely in regards to mysql balancing |
| 05:03.17 | nvz | tetragon: any of that the LVS you are talking about? |
| 05:03.20 | Wyzard | !tell Epod69 about poll |
| 05:03.32 | bigbill52a | i use them all...once in awhile |
| 05:03.46 | codc | carminati, edit /etc/moduls.conf - older kernelversions usese other names but similare - and put all as inside |
| 05:03.51 | Wyzard | tetragon: dpkg is a bot |
| 05:03.52 | nvz | dpkg, say tetragon I am a bot dumb ass (: |
| 05:03.53 | dpkg | tetragon I am a bot dumb ass (: |
| 05:03.59 | tetragon | dpkg: and that is sad because there is quite a bit...but largely being ignored |
| 05:03.59 | dpkg | tetragon: okay |
| 05:04.15 | Epod69 | sorry for asking.... |
| 05:04.15 | nvz | dpkg, forget and that |
| 05:04.16 | dpkg | nvz: i forgot and that |
| 05:04.21 | tetragon | too many bots around here |
| 05:04.25 | nvz | heh |
| 05:04.30 | carminati | codc, i have to put things like "i810_audio" ?? |
| 05:04.42 | nvz | tetragon: there are usually only about 6 at a time. |
| 05:04.44 | Wyzard | carminati: Or install discover, which will handle it for you |
| 05:04.48 | dabreegster | tetragon: How amusing. You just described your feelings to a bot. |
| 05:04.50 | theboneman | is there anyway to turn an rpm into a .deb ? |
| 05:04.56 | carminati | Wyzard, i am installing |
| 05:04.57 | Wyzard | theboneman: apt-cache show alien |
| 05:04.58 | bigbill52a | alien |
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| 05:05.23 | darkcmd | how do I get OSS working under debian.. 2.4.27 |
| 05:05.32 | darkcmd | the i386 package |
| 05:05.33 | nvz | tetragon: well, chanserv and nickserv the freenode service bots, then there is debhelper our eggdrop bot that performs channel maintainence, then there are the blootbots apt, dpkg, and ravenbird |
| 05:05.39 | Wyzard | darkcmd: Load the driver module for your sound card |
| 05:05.46 | darkcmd | how? |
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| 05:06.00 | Wyzard | darkcmd: with modprobe |
| 05:06.10 | darkcmd | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 05:06.12 | codc | carminati, this way to don't use hotplug - first you need for mouse-support |
| 05:06.14 | darkcmd | what module do I load |
| 05:06.16 | codc | mom |
| 05:06.24 | Wyzard | darkcmd: dunno, depends on what sound card you have |
| 05:06.41 | loke | Epod69 fluxbox |
| 05:06.44 | Wyzard | darkcmd: For SB Live and Audigy cards, the module is "emu10k1"... for other cards, use Google |
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| 05:06.52 | theboneman | is there any zsnes already in the debian apt-get tree? |
| 05:06.53 | loke | i love debian |
| 05:06.58 | loke | i wanna have sex with debian |
| 05:07.07 | Epod69 | loke, then why dont you marry it =P |
| 05:07.15 | loke | Epod69 i would |
| 05:07.24 | Wyzard | theboneman: zsnes is in contrib |
| 05:07.30 | loke | Epod69 try fluxbox |
| 05:07.33 | jcook | hello all ... Im having modules.conf problems |
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| 05:07.44 | Epod69 | loke, i did with damn small linux =P |
| 05:07.44 | loke | Epod69 by far #1 |
| 05:07.51 | darkcmd | lithium:/home/zachary# modprobe snd_intel8x0 |
| 05:07.51 | darkcmd | modprobe: Can't locate module snd_intel8x0 |
| 05:07.52 | jcook | what's wriong with this line? ... add above processor speedstep-centrino |
| 05:07.57 | theboneman | sweet |
| 05:08.04 | Epod69 | i didnt see how it was any different from blackbox, i just had icons |
| 05:08.08 | carminati | codc, i don't understand... what do i have to put in /etc/modules.conf ? |
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| 05:08.14 | zetabug | boo |
| 05:08.14 | loke | darkcmd maybe you spell module name wrong? |
| 05:08.26 | darkcmd | I got it from many places on google |
| 05:08.31 | darkcmd | do I need to load soundcore first? |
| 05:08.35 | Wyzard | darkcmd: Modules with names beginning with "snd_" are ALSA, not OSS |
| 05:08.41 | Epod69 | Wyzard, probably because its kinda on the border of legal side of things |
| 05:08.44 | codc | carminati, first 'psmouse' and 'mousedev' |
| 05:08.57 | mae | anyone get suspend/standby working on the nightmare that is the hp zd7000 notebook? |
| 05:09.00 | exobyte | sorry to say it, but iptables makes me miss pd |
| 05:09.01 | exobyte | pf |
| 05:09.05 | bucky | darkcmd, snd_intel8x0 is alsa not oss |
| 05:09.06 | Wyzard | Epod69: Not really... emulation is perfectly legal |
| 05:09.17 | darkcmd | ok.. what is it in oss? |
| 05:09.20 | Wyzard | Epod69: Pirating games is illegal, but zsnes is not a tool for pirating games |
| 05:09.24 | zetabug | is there a pf for linux? |
| 05:09.31 | bucky | darkcmd, try modprobe ac97-codec |
| 05:09.33 | loke | zetabug yes, iptables |
| 05:09.34 | exobyte | Wyzard: lol, my ass, it isn't |
| 05:09.37 | Epod69 | yea i know, but with roms and all the crap i think it was just a safe move for the debian team to put it there, my 2 cents |
| 05:09.41 | codc | carminati, make a 'modprobe psmouse && modprobe mousedev' |
| 05:09.47 | exobyte | Wyzard: it's called "backing up" |
| 05:09.50 | bucky | darkcmd, but i doubt if it's included with your install kernel |
| 05:09.51 | theboneman | and.. that alien thing |
| 05:10.03 | theboneman | how would i convert it |
| 05:10.10 | peterS | Epod69: without a stolen ROM image, does the emulator you are referring to do anything useful at all? |
| 05:10.12 | loke | is sarge sable yet? |
| 05:10.12 | darkcmd | lithium:/home/zachary# modprobe ac97-codec |
| 05:10.13 | darkcmd | modprobe: Can't locate module ac97-codec |
| 05:10.15 | darkcmd | sound used to work here |
| 05:10.17 | carminati | codc, modprobe: Can't locate module psmouse ... |
| 05:10.27 | theboneman | its snd_ac97_codec |
| 05:10.32 | Wyzard | exobyte: Legitimately backing up a game is not copyright infringement. Posting it on a website for public download is not backing up, and is copyright infringement. |
| 05:10.46 | darkcmd | that doesn't work either |
| 05:10.47 | carminati | codc, i installed discover... can it help something? |
| 05:10.53 | Epod69 | peterS, dont understand your question |
| 05:10.56 | codc | carminati, sarge ? |
| 05:10.57 | exobyte | Wyzard: no, distributing it is, posting isn't inherently copying |
| 05:11.00 | Wyzard | exobyte: (though an argument could be made that since making your own backup requires special hardware, it's OK to download someone else's backup |
| 05:11.01 | theboneman | ........ |
| 05:11.07 | Epod69 | loke, you ever use bbconf ? |
| 05:11.10 | Wyzard | exobyte: At any rate, zsnes has nothing to do with that |
| 05:11.11 | tetragon | well it is nice to see Debian nearly caught up with Ubuntu quite well....so no longer a dinosaur repository |
| 05:11.12 | exobyte | Wyzard: lol, yeah |
| 05:11.13 | bucky | darkcmd, try modprobe ac97 |
| 05:11.16 | nvz | Wyzard: Please note that many separately-available games playable under this |
| 05:11.19 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.36 | nvz | it does depend on non-free, but its not specifically in the depends of the package |
| 05:11.37 | peterS | Epod69: I'm just wondering whether zsnes actually does anything useful without code pirated from somewhere else |
| 05:11.37 | tetragon | the install program for Debian is very nice....very similar to Ubuntu |
| 05:11.39 | Wyzard | nvz: But it doesn't *depend* on any of them |
| 05:11.39 | Epod69 | its a lot easier for editing the menu and works pretty good |
| 05:11.40 | Guerin | tetragon: huh? |
| 05:11.40 | nvz | its just implied |
| 05:11.45 | carminati | codc, yes |
| 05:11.51 | Guerin | tetragon: the ubuntu installer IS the debian installer |
| 05:11.54 | Guerin | tetragon: not the other way around |
| 05:12.08 | darkcmd | ac97 2688 0 (unused) ok running |
| 05:12.14 | codc | carminati, lsmod says at my site: psmouse 20232 0 |
| 05:12.15 | codc | mousedev 10444 3 |
| 05:12.23 | tetragon | Guerin: well either way...very nice |
| 05:12.24 | bucky | darkcmd, turn the volume up |
| 05:12.29 | darkcmd | ok |
| 05:12.31 | Wyzard | nvz: zsnes shouldn't be contrib just because it's possible to run non-free games with it... I can run non-free PostScript programs with ghostscript, but ghostscript is still free |
| 05:12.37 | valdyn | peterS: theoretically, yes, iirc even the snes had a demo 'scene' and probably a handful of free ( as in beer ) games ) |
| 05:12.43 | codc | psmouse 20232 0 |
| 05:12.43 | codc | mousedev 10444 3 |
| 05:12.48 | Guerin | Wyzard: but if there's NO free content... |
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| 05:12.52 | codc | sry |
| 05:12.55 | nvz | Wyzard: so take Aaron Lehmann to the debian court... oh thats right there isnt one, you'll have to file a bug.. heh |
| 05:13.06 | carminati | codc, ??? |
| 05:13.14 | peterS | valdyn: the issue is whether zsnes is capable of running a game directly. a lot of emulators can only do so once you've lifted ROM code from an original console or whatever |
| 05:13.20 | Epod69 | roms arent exactly pirated..the code is just striped from the cartrige, and as long as you own a copy of the game, you should be allowed to own the rom (the game code) |
| 05:13.26 | Wyzard | Guerin: Not much, but there's some... anyway, I don't think the games should be considered a dependency |
| 05:13.28 | valdyn | peterS: true |
| 05:13.38 | darkcmd | bucky, do I need to load any oss modules? |
| 05:13.50 | nvz | Wyzard: the program is designed to emulate a commercial game console which sold games in a rom format, using those roms would be considered non-free software. |
| 05:13.53 | codc | carminati, did you see a mousedevice with lsmod |
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| 05:14.00 | Guerin | Wyzard: I agree. If I was going to write a game for a snes emmulator, I'd need it. |
| 05:14.02 | peterS | Epod69: I'm not talking about the ROM in the cartridge, I'm talking about the ROM in the Super NES. I do not know whether zsnes emulates the whole snes without anything like that |
| 05:14.14 | Guerin | s/mm/m/ |
| 05:14.14 | nvz | Wyzard: as the code on SNES roms hardly meets the DFSG |
| 05:14.32 | bucky | darkcmd, maybe snd_intel8x0 |
| 05:14.36 | punsad | I just upgraded from woody to sarge, but and all looks well... but I don't see the kernel-image packages for 2.6 kernel. Am I missing something? |
| 05:14.41 | _NiNJA_ | Hey guys ... do I need to worry about any configs in /etc/init.d if I move from kernel 2.2.x to 2.4 or 2.6 ? .. |
| 05:14.42 | carminati | codc, i cant see any mousedevice with lsmod... but mouse is working |
| 05:14.45 | Wyzard | peterS: zsnes doesn't require you to provide it with a rom file, so either it doesn't need one, or it ships with one (which would make it very non-free itself) |
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| 05:15.01 | darkcmd | bucky, it can't locate it |
| 05:15.06 | peterS | Wyzard: ...or it's been reverse-engineered and the equivalent to the original ROM is provided as free software |
| 05:15.07 | nvz | Wyzard: if it bugs you that much, package some free roms, and email Aaron Lehmann and tell him to make his package depend on yours, and to make it part of main in etch/sid :P |
| 05:15.08 | Guerin | punsad: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 shows nothing? |
| 05:15.13 | peterS | Wyzard: in that third situation, it's actually free |
| 05:15.20 | Epod69 | it doest ship with a rom... someone might ship it with a homebrewed one.. |
| 05:15.31 | punsad | Guerin: checking |
| 05:15.32 | Wyzard | nvz: However, the games are not a dependency of zsnes |
| 05:15.39 | tvn | where dis the setup for things like LC_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 05:15.45 | Wyzard | nvz: You can install zsnes and still have a system containing no non-free software |
| 05:15.58 | peterS | Wyzard: does that system do anything useful? |
| 05:16.03 | darkcmd | bucky, what do I do |
| 05:16.15 | codc | carminati, then i has't a idea at this moment - but i am allready very tired - germany local time 7:16 |
| 05:16.25 | Epod69 | is it alright to keep the word contrib in the sources.list or should i remove it now that i have the java file ? |
| 05:16.33 | valdyn | tvn: anywhere you want |
| 05:16.33 | Wyzard | peterS: No, but that's a separate issue... installing zsnes does not force you to use any non-free software |
| 05:16.34 | bucky | darkcmd, i dunno.. i suggested you upgrade the kernel but you didn't like that idea |
| 05:16.42 | peterS | tvn: debian packages are required not to need anything like LD_LIBRARY_PATH, so you probably don't either. but /etc/environment |
| 05:16.59 | carminati | codc, i understand... thanks |
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| 05:17.06 | Epod69 | Wyzard, just like kazaa doesnt force you to share anything illegal =P =D |
| 05:17.11 | darkcmd | bucky, its i810_audio |
| 05:17.12 | darkcmd | for oss |
| 05:17.14 | darkcmd | :D |
| 05:17.16 | codc | np |
| 05:17.28 | Wyzard | Epod69: Exactly |
| 05:17.32 | darkcmd | jackd complains about not being able to load oss |
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| 05:17.43 | Wyzard | Epod69: (P2P software *does* have plenty of legitimate uses, you know) |
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| 05:17.59 | Epod69 | Wyzard, yep |
| 05:18.02 | peterS | Wyzard: installing something that won't do anything is pretty pointless. it's not terribly different from something that you can install without the libraries it needs. "it segfaults when I try to run it, but I can at least install the binary!" |
| 05:18.07 | punsad | Guerin: okay... many hits... I was using dselect which apparently is just not the way to do it anymore... need to part with old habits. I was a long time woody user |
| 05:18.12 | nvz | Wyzard: Debian Policy Manual 2.2.2 "Furthermore, packages in contrib must not require a package in a non-US section for compilation or execution" |
| 05:18.15 | darkcmd | bucky, have any clues |
| 05:18.19 | darkcmd | but mpg321 plays mp3s |
| 05:18.22 | nvz | Wyzard: you cannot actually run the emulator without the rom |
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| 05:18.34 | punsad | Guerin: found it in aptitude no problem |
| 05:18.38 | darkcmd | there are homebrew opensource roms |
| 05:18.43 | Wyzard | peterS: Omitting required libraries is different because you *cannot* possibly run the binary without its libraries, no matter what |
| 05:18.53 | Wyzard | peterS: But you *could*, potentially, have a free SNES game |
| 05:18.54 | peterS | darkcmd: then do what nvz said. email aaronl and tell him to include yours instead of looking for pirated ones |
| 05:19.15 | darkcmd | ok |
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| 05:19.21 | peterS | Wyzard: it's pretty much exactly the same situation. you *could* potentially have a free replacement for some random non-free library |
| 05:19.24 | darkcmd | then it could be moved into main |
| 05:19.25 | Wyzard | peterS: It's not the package's job to presume what software you'll be running with it, if you have a choice in the matter |
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| 05:19.37 | justin | peterS: ffs you are all talking about two different thnings |
| 05:19.48 | darkcmd | yeah.. cdread could be used to bootleg playstation games |
| 05:20.00 | punsad | _NiNJA_: so how's migrating from 2.4 to 2.6 going? I'm hoping to do that soon |
| 05:20.04 | peterS | justin: I'm trying to clear up the point of whether the software needs a ROM image in order to function, or just in order to play a game |
| 05:20.10 | justin | peterS: you are talking about a snes rom which I don't think any emulator requires, they are talking about GAME roms |
| 05:20.12 | peterS | justin: nobody seems to be sure |
| 05:20.25 | Epod69 | peterS, the nentendo revolution, if you havent heard, (the next gen concole) that is probably going to be coming out next year will allow you to play and download any of the old nentendo, snes, and nen 64 games on it, i just wonder that the controler will look like O.o =P |
| 05:20.31 | Wyzard | peterS: I suppose, but that falls outside "normal intended usage" of the program... I don't think running free roms is outside the "normal intended usage" of zsnes, though I understand the view that it is |
| 05:20.32 | darkcmd | peterS, the user does not provide the SNES bios |
| 05:21.01 | nvz | peterS: I am a pretty fart smeller, eh? |
| 05:21.20 | peterS | nvz: not sure if I'd say 'pretty', but otherwise, sure |
| 05:21.49 | Epod69 | i would agree that the snes should not be placed in in contrib |
| 05:21.50 | jcook | can anyone explain to me what "add above processor speedstep-centrino" should do in /etc/modules.conf ??? |
| 05:21.56 | peterS | Epod69: so they'll resurrect old game roms and make them downloadable in some sort of legal fashion? |
| 05:22.19 | node357 | zsnes is free, and there are public domain images floating around that can be found in both binary and code |
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| 05:22.35 | valdyn | jcook: you should _not_ edit /etc/modules.conf in debian |
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| 05:22.47 | node357 | eg there are "free" games for znes, just not gpl'd |
| 05:22.55 | jcook | valdyn: yeah I know ... update-modules ... but im trying to get it do to what I want first |
| 05:23.10 | peterS | node357: are there free snes dev kits out there, then, so you can compile the free games into free binaries? |
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| 05:23.10 | valdyn | jcook: add the module to /etc/modules |
| 05:23.22 | Epod69 | peterS, for what i have heard and seen on G4 (television station), it will allow you to download the games onto it, you wont be able to use the old cartriges, the nentendo revolution is going to only be the size of 3 dvd cases |
| 05:23.28 | peterS | node357: without the ability to compile the source, the availability of the source doesn't matter all that much (: |
| 05:23.35 | jcook | valdyn: you mean /etc/modutils/ |
| 05:23.40 | exobyte | is :w foo the command to save as foo in vi? |
| 05:23.52 | valdyn | jcook: no |
| 05:23.53 | bigbill52a | i tried modprobe ac97...see if that improves my sound quality |
| 05:23.55 | peterS | Epod69: *nod*, that stands to reason. they don't want to stick old cartridge readers into something like that |
| 05:24.01 | peterS | bigbill52a: it won't |
| 05:24.10 | jcook | exobyte: yes ... :w is short for :write [filename] |
| 05:24.14 | peterS | bigbill52a: the ac97 modules are automatically pulled in by the chip modules that need them |
| 05:24.16 | jcook | valdyn: ??? |
| 05:24.19 | jcook | since when? |
| 05:24.22 | node357 | i talked way out of turn.. i should learn to keep my mouth shut, sorry |
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| 05:24.27 | codc | <valdyn> jcook: you should _not_ edit /etc/modules.conf in debian <- why it was at my site the best choise |
| 05:24.32 | bigbill52a | i was having popping noises when play mp3 |
| 05:24.47 | valdyn | jcook: if you want to use cpu frequency scaling you add the h/w driver ( like speedstep_centrino ) and the governor to /etc/modules |
| 05:25.01 | justin | bigbill52a: lower the volume from 100% |
| 05:25.05 | Epod69 | peterS, remember having to blow on the nes cartridges to get them to work, lol =P |
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| 05:25.54 | bigbill52a | will try that |
| 05:25.55 | jcook | valdyn: oh yeah .... I dont want to do that ... I want them to be loaded on demand ... and processor gets loaded by acpid |
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| 05:26.42 | bigbill52a | testing now...it should have loaded it ..but maybe it didnt lol |
| 05:26.51 | pwned | is there a way of adding bootsplash to sarge kernel without recompiling? |
| 05:27.02 | valdyn | jcook: that would be /etc/modprobe.d/ then |
| 05:27.04 | jcook | valdyn: but that's becide the point ... I have a problem there ... with 2 possible outcomes ... 1) modprobe is fucked, or 2) I got get the man for modules.conf |
| 05:27.10 | bigbill52a | better sound quality after i modprobe ac97 and rebooted |
| 05:27.30 | Guerin | bigbill52a: haha |
| 05:27.32 | bigbill52a | and turned down the volume and turned up pcm |
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| 05:27.49 | Epod69 | does seriously noone know how to edit the gnome menu... |
| 05:27.54 | Guerin | bigbill52a: the module won't be loaded after reboot |
| 05:27.57 | jcook | valdyn: is modprobe.conf even looked at anymore? |
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| 05:28.09 | Guerin | bigbill52a: the sound improvement has come from altering the levels |
| 05:28.10 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: few people here actually use gnome. |
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| 05:28.17 | valdyn | jcook: not sure, probably not, if you run a 2.6.x kernel |
| 05:28.20 | carminati | hey, ALSA is now working... but when i reboot my computer.. it stops working... and i have run "alsaconf" every time i boot debian |
| 05:28.23 | dondelelcaro | ages ago there was a gnome menu editor. Now, who knows? |
| 05:28.36 | Guerin | carminati: what sound card? |
| 05:28.40 | jcook | valdyn: aaaagghghghgh |
| 05:28.51 | jcook | fucking stupid man page |
| 05:28.51 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: When did you take a survey of GNOME usage? :-) |
| 05:28.54 | Epod69 | dondelelcaro, may i ask what you use, and what you think most people use ? |
| 05:28.57 | carminati | Guerin, sis |
| 05:28.58 | valdyn | jcook: /nod |
| 05:29.10 | Guerin | Epod69: one of the ubuntu devs wrote a gnome menu editor, called smeg or something, because the official one was broken |
| 05:29.17 | Guerin | carminati: sis is not a sound card. |
| 05:29.31 | valdyn | Epod69: ~/.menu/ ( add .desktop file(s) ) |
| 05:29.32 | pwned | I should write an openbox menu editor. Openbox is so sexy |
| 05:29.39 | Epod69 | Wyzard, dondelelcaro, was just at my house taking the survey, did he not get to your house yet =P |
| 05:29.42 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: I have no clue what most people everywhere use, but few of the people who would know actually use gnome. |
| 05:29.45 | Guerin | pwned: there's already one. it's called 'nano' |
| 05:29.46 | carminati | Guerin, , snd-intel8x0 - is it a soundcard? |
| 05:29.56 | pwned | Guerin: a good one =P |
| 05:29.57 | dondelelcaro | s/people who/people here who/ |
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| 05:30.11 | kaplanfx | Epod69: he surveyed me too |
| 05:30.11 | dondelelcaro | or just /usr/bin/editor... |
| 05:30.16 | Wyzard | carminati: snd-intel8x0 is not the driver for an SiS card |
| 05:30.24 | justin | dondelelcaro: there is a new gnome menu editor written in python... forget the name though... starts with a m i think |
| 05:30.26 | Epod69 | kaplanfx, lol |
| 05:30.27 | Guerin | carminati: that's a module, but that'll do. as root, do: echo -e "snd-intel8x0\nsnd-pcm-oss" >> /etc/modules |
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| 05:30.30 | Wyzard | carminati: Intel and SiS are different companies |
| 05:30.41 | kaplanfx | Epod69: I wasn't kidding |
| 05:30.45 | dondelelcaro | justin: could be... I haven't used gnome for ages |
| 05:30.49 | Guerin | Wyzard: he probably has a sis mobo with that chip onboard |
| 05:30.55 | Epod69 | kaplanfx, oh... |
| 05:31.00 | carminati | Wyzard,so, what can i do? |
| 05:31.04 | pwned | yes there's also an editor for apache configuration. called ed |
| 05:31.08 | Wyzard | Guerin: Maybe, but I believe SiS makes their own sound chips |
| 05:31.09 | dondelelcaro | probably circa 98 |
| 05:31.14 | jcook | valdyn: ok so ... are files in modprobe.d the same format as desc. in man modprobe.conf ? |
| 05:31.15 | Guerin | Wyzard: that may be true. |
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| 05:31.41 | Wyzard | carminati: Try it -- maybe I'm wrong and your SiS board does have an Intel sound chip -- but I think SiS makes their own sound chips, so you'd need a different driver than that Intel one |
| 05:31.45 | valdyn | jcook: i guess, look at the existing one(s) |
| 05:31.48 | dondelelcaro | pwned: not surpisingly, there *is* an emacs major mode for editing apache configuration files. |
| 05:32.01 | glick | excuse me how big should the /boot partition be if im doing the rest of the drive using LVM2? |
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| 05:32.14 | Wyzard | Guerin: I've never used one myself so I'm mostly guessing, but I'm pretty sure I've heard of at least one person with a SiS sound chip |
| 05:32.16 | Guerin | glick: small. |
| 05:32.16 | dondelelcaro | glick: big enough to store your kernels+ a few M |
| 05:32.18 | jcook | valdyn: cause it doesnt seem to understand "above" ... or "add above" |
| 05:32.41 | glick | is 50megs enough? |
| 05:32.43 | valdyn | jcook: 'alias char-major-195* nvidia' is what you want i guess ( w/ different values/names ) |
| 05:32.48 | Wyzard | glick: I was about to suggest 50MB |
| 05:32.55 | dondelelcaro | glick: plenty, unless you have 8 billion kernels |
| 05:32.56 | pwned | openbox configuration can be made easier with a graphical editor is what I am saying. You can edit everything in hex while standing upside down with your hands tied at the back dancing salsa as well |
| 05:32.58 | alvaro | what's the name of a aplication for install packages ? |
| 05:33.02 | carminati | Guerin, is "c-media" a sound card? |
| 05:33.07 | Wyzard | alvaro: apt-get? |
| 05:33.07 | alvaro | with menus |
| 05:33.07 | valdyn | jcook: oh, sure it doesn't |
| 05:33.10 | dondelelcaro | pwned: it's in XML... pretty hard to get easier than that |
| 05:33.11 | Wyzard | alvaro: or aptitude, or synaptic |
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| 05:33.16 | pwned | dondelelcaro: no it isn't. |
| 05:33.21 | Guerin | carminati: lspci should tell you |
| 05:33.31 | Guerin | carminati: c-media is a company who MAKES sound cards |
| 05:33.31 | glick | with LVM i want the boot partition a regular classical partition and then the rest a single LVM partition right? |
| 05:33.33 | dondelelcaro | pwned: um, I run openbox. Surely I would know how I configured openbox. |
| 05:33.37 | alvaro | yea aptitude! thanks |
| 05:33.41 | carminati | Guerin, 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 05:33.41 | pwned | dondelelcaro: so would I. |
| 05:33.43 | bigbill52a | well ran alsaconf...clicked my shoes together three times...and now my sound is better..lol |
| 05:33.51 | Wyzard | glick: correct, but be aware that you'll need an LVM-aware initrd if you want to do that |
| 05:33.59 | dondelelcaro | .config/openbox/rc.xml: XML document text |
| 05:34.03 | dondelelcaro | pwned: you were saying? |
| 05:34.04 | Guerin | carminati: anything else mention sound or audio in there? |
| 05:34.04 | glick | Wyzard, arnt the default kernels aware of this? |
| 05:34.06 | jcook | valdyn: once again ... the man's fooked |
| 05:34.13 | carminati | Guerin, no |
| 05:34.19 | pwned | dondelelcaro: um. I won't repeat what I said |
| 05:34.25 | pwned | dondelelcaro: I know where the xml files are. |
| 05:34.27 | saudilinux | i tried to install kde3.4 but the alioth site cant respond is there any way to upgrade??? |
| 05:34.38 | Wyzard | glick: The kernels, yes, but there are userspace programs that must be run to enable access to LVM volumes |
| 05:34.45 | carminati | Wyzard, snd-intel8x0 works... but i have to run "alsaconf" every time i boot debian |
| 05:34.50 | pwned | dondelelcaro: plus you can customize your menu.xml by placing it there as well |
| 05:34.59 | Guerin | carminati: paste the output of lsmod |grep snd to paster |
| 05:34.59 | Wyzard | glick: and if those userspace programs are located *on* the LVM volume, that won't work, so you need them on an initrd |
| 05:35.01 | Guerin | !paster |
| 05:35.02 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 05:35.07 | Guerin | carminati: ^^ |
| 05:35.14 | Guerin | carminati: oh. |
| 05:35.17 | glick | Wyzard, whats an initrd exactly? |
| 05:35.20 | Guerin | carminati: that's a module, but that'll do. as root, do: echo -e "snd-intel8x0\nsnd-pcm-oss" >> /etc/modules |
| 05:35.25 | dondelelcaro | pwned: ok, so what were you actually saying no to? that XML is easy to configure? |
| 05:35.25 | Wyzard | glick: The initrds generated by mkinitrd (in the "initrd-tools") package might work, but I don't know |
| 05:35.38 | pwned | dondelelcaro: a graphical editor can be easier than xml |
| 05:35.48 | carminati | Guerin, i did it |
| 05:35.52 | pwned | checkboxes and the works |
| 05:35.56 | Guerin | carminati: ok. Reboot, should work. |
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| 05:36.00 | glick | damn there are no decent tutorials on how to set up LVM on a debian box |
| 05:36.02 | carminati | ok |
| 05:36.05 | Wyzard | glick: It's a ramdisk that contains a script and (typically) some driver modules... the kernel mounts the initrd and runs the script, and the script loads the modules necessary for mounting the real root filesystem on the hard drive |
| 05:36.17 | pwned | dondelelcaro: also it will get more configophobic users to use openbox |
| 05:36.30 | glick | Wyzard, wouldnt i put that stuff in the /boot partition? |
| 05:36.34 | dondelelcaro | pwned: *shrug* write it if it makes you feel better. |
| 05:36.34 | bigbill52a | is there anything you can do if your computer hangs during the boot process |
| 05:36.34 | glick | which is a regular partition |
| 05:36.35 | Guerin | why should configphobic users use openbox? |
| 05:36.43 | tetragon | can someone tell me why there is so much interest in zsnes, fakenes, and gnuboy...these days? why do so many people talk about them...they are just applications. |
| 05:36.44 | Wyzard | glick: The initrd file is loaded into RAM by the bootloader at the same time as it loads the kernel itself, so it's available to the kernel without any drivers needed |
| 05:36.49 | pwned | dondelelcaro: oh thank you thank you for this opportunity. |
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| 05:37.04 | dondelelcaro | pwned: you're welcome. |
| 05:37.11 | Wyzard | glick: You'd have to use your /boot partition as your root filesystem and put scripts and modules on it, which is really ugly |
| 05:37.32 | Wyzard | glick: It's easiest to just not use LVM for your root filesystem |
| 05:37.33 | nvz | glick: IG 6.3.2.2 |
| 05:37.49 | saudilinux | any one for help? |
| 05:37.54 | Wyzard | glick: I have my Debian installation on a plain partition on a small drive, and the rest of my filesystems (/home, etc.) on LVM on a group of larger drives |
| 05:38.02 | Guerin | saudilinux: don't need any at the moment, but thanks anyhow. |
| 05:38.08 | bucky | LVM was an option in the installer |
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| 05:38.30 | Wyzard | bucky: Good point... I haven't tried it, though... I wonder if it allows root-on-LVM |
| 05:38.44 | pwned | oh. debian.bootsplash.de . Let's see how that turns out |
| 05:38.46 | nvz | glick: Debian Install Guide 6.3.2.2 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
| 05:38.59 | Guerin | pwned: look at splashy, too |
| 05:39.04 | Guerin | pwned: in experimental |
| 05:39.30 | Guerin | pwned: it should install cleanly without extra deps, even on sarge |
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| 05:40.15 | Wyzard | tetragon: I haven't seen an unusually large amount of interest in emulators |
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| 05:40.34 | tetragon | i would think there would be more interest in onion routing and garlic routing for sharing the 14 debian cds and gnowledge than so much discussion about just a few apps like xmame,fakenes, gnuboy, zsnes, and the nintendo 64 and playstation emulators |
| 05:40.57 | pwned | wow nice |
| 05:41.01 | nvz | glick: 6.3.2.2. Configuring Logical Volume Manager (LVM), also refers you to the LVM howto at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO.html |
| 05:41.03 | justin | tetragon: knowledge |
| 05:41.05 | carminati | hey, it didn't work.. i had to run "alsaconf" again to work |
| 05:41.12 | pwned | doesn't require patching the kernel |
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| 05:41.14 | Wyzard | tetragon: Well, there was some discussion a little while ago about whether zsnes should be in main or contrib from a philosophical standpoint, but that's not really "interest in zsnes" |
| 05:41.15 | Guerin | tetragon: i think you'll find there is. |
| 05:41.42 | tetragon | justin: not knowledge...that is the stuff that makes IBM and MS....gnowledge or shared knowledge is the stuff that make freedom and FSF/GNU/FHF |
| 05:41.46 | Guerin | pwned: userspace splashiness ... itiot-proof |
| 05:41.55 | pwned | \o/ |
| 05:42.12 | carminati | Guerin, hey, it didn't work.. i had to run "alsaconf" again to work |
| 05:42.18 | Wyzard | tetragon: Using emulators to play games builds monopolies? |
| 05:43.01 | dondelelcaro | tetragon: eh, there are enough mirrors out there that should be able to trivially saturate most links |
| 05:43.02 | Guerin | carminati: hrm. look in /etc/modules ... are there two lines, one with snd-intel8x0; the other with snd-pcm-oss? |
| 05:43.11 | carminati | Guerin, yes |
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| 05:43.21 | carminati | Guerin, there are |
| 05:43.22 | Guerin | carminati: any other sound modules mentioned in there? |
| 05:43.29 | tetragon | Wyzard: i have no interest in commercial entrapments whatsoever....i prefer to help out the freedom fighters like FSF/GNU/FHF/Debian/Ubuntu/Gentoo to increase public goods and social benefits....not privately hoarded financial gains. |
| 05:43.45 | exobyte | these iptables lines aren't doing anything.. |
| 05:43.46 | exobyte | iptables -t nat -A prerouting_rule -i $WIFI -p tcp --dport 1723 -j DNAT --to 10.10.1.1 |
| 05:43.47 | carminati | Guerin, nop |
| 05:43.49 | exobyte | iptables -A forwarding_rule -i $WIFI -p tcp --dport 1723 -d 10.10.1.1 -j ACCEPT |
| 05:43.53 | pwned | I think woody used to have a framebuffer beer drinking penguin |
| 05:44.15 | Wyzard | tetragon: I believe saying "all software should be free, nothing should be privately owned" is as wrong as saying "all software should be proprietary, nothing should be free or open" |
| 05:44.19 | Wyzard | tetragon: Each has its place |
| 05:44.25 | Guerin | carminati: before running alsaconf, which modules were loaded? |
| 05:44.34 | nvz | pwned: I think you've been missing your AA meetings |
| 05:44.36 | exobyte | pwned: I think that was the 2.2 kernel |
| 05:44.42 | aiw | i need to recompile courier-authdaemon to include vpopmail support, can i do that with a source ppackage somehow? |
| 05:44.45 | pwned | oh heh |
| 05:44.54 | Wyzard | tetragon: While I enjoy using free software on my computer, I don't see anything morally wrong with buying a Playstation game on occasion |
| 05:44.59 | exobyte | pwned: 2.4 has a tux for each cpu |
| 05:45.02 | carminati | Guerin, how can i see it? |
| 05:45.06 | Wyzard | tetragon: and before I owned a Playstation, I used an emulator to play them |
| 05:45.06 | tehwa444 | I'm looking to do a debian sarge install and dual boot, my net connection is currently over wireless. Will the minimial install CD be able to get my wireless card (netgear WGT311) up and running to complete the install? tia |
| 05:45.10 | Guerin | carminati: reboot, verify that sound is not working, and then give me the output of lsmod |grep snd; on a httpd before running alsaconf |
| 05:45.13 | tetragon | Wyzard: well i am not saying everything should be free....i prefer balance....but in this balance it is important that both sides be allowed to exist so people can choose whether they prefer freedom or power. |
| 05:45.26 | carminati | ok |
| 05:45.29 | Guerin | carminati: then give me lsmod |grep snd; outout after running alsaconf |
| 05:45.30 | Wyzard | tetragon: I agree with you there |
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| 05:46.04 | Wyzard | tetragon: Video-game manufacturers aren't really clashing with the FOSS community, though... not like MS and the music/movie industries |
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| 05:48.31 | tetragon | Wyzard: well there will always be those exercising the freedom not to speak just as there are those exercising the freedom to speak |
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| 05:49.01 | tehwa444 | thanks |
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| 05:49.07 | carminati | Guerin, sound is not working.. just eSound (so bad).. what do i have to type now? |
| 05:49.15 | tetragon | Wyzard: but what concerns me...is that some are trying to create a situation where people are given the so-called freedom to speak but not to speak freely |
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| 05:50.57 | bigbill52a | freedom of speech no longer exists... |
| 05:51.11 | windowmaker | fuck off |
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| 05:51.15 | Wyzard | tetragon: I understand that, but I don't see how using emulators contributes to that problem |
| 05:51.18 | windowmaker | there you go, it does exist |
| 05:51.28 | Nigel | I need a single file out of samba-doc, is there ANY way, i can just get that one file instead of all of them? |
| 05:51.40 | tetragon | bigbill52a: well the people have to fight for it alongside the freedom fighters....if you don't fight for it...you will lose it ...and possibly forever. |
| 05:51.40 | bigbill52a | profanity not included..lol |
| 05:51.47 | carminati | Guerin, what do i have to type? |
| 05:51.49 | windowmaker | oh well |
| 05:51.57 | saudilinux | where can i find kde3.4 packages for debin? |
| 05:52.16 | Nigel | saudilinux: experimental, unless they managed to get into testing now |
| 05:52.23 | Nigel | i mean unstable |
| 05:52.37 | Seb | !topicsmite saudilinux |
| 05:52.37 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon saudilinux. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:53.08 | pwned | saudilinux: try #debian-kde channel |
| 05:53.29 | windowmaker | hey, i wanted to install kernel 2.6.11.11 and i can't make an initrd file for it (go easy on me, i'm a n00b) |
| 05:53.45 | Seb | windowmaker: n00bs use Debian precompiled images |
| 05:54.00 | windowmaker | but i didn't |
| 05:54.03 | windowmaker | i got it as tar.bz2 |
| 05:54.22 | Epod69 | how do i update a package to testing ? |
| 05:54.37 | dondelelcaro | windowmaker: if you're compiling your own kernel, you don't need an initrd |
| 05:54.50 | Seb | windowmaker: let me rephrase that for you: n00bs should use Debian precompiled images |
| 05:54.58 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: you mean install the version of a package that is in testing while you're using stable? |
| 05:55.04 | windowmaker | but they didn't have 2.6.11.11 |
| 05:55.06 | Epod69 | yea |
| 05:55.11 | Wyzard | windowmaker: Use make-kpkg for building kernels... it gives you a .deb as the end result, and if you say "--initrd" on its commandline, it'll build an initrd kernel |
| 05:55.18 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: generally speaking, you don't. |
| 05:55.22 | Wyzard | windowmaker: apt-get install kernel-package; man make-kpkg |
| 05:55.23 | windowmaker | i did |
| 05:55.27 | windowmaker | and then i do ls, and it's not there! |
| 05:55.28 | Seb | windowmaker: they have 2.6.11 with Debian patches, which should be good enough for ya. Unless you can prove otherwise, of course. |
| 05:55.48 | Wyzard | windowmaker: You used make-kpkg to build a kernel? |
| 05:55.50 | Epod69 | well i need to update to python 2.4 |
| 05:55.55 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: if you know that you absolutely want to do so, then you use pinning and specifically install that package. However, you're likely to end up with a unworkable system. |
| 05:56.01 | windowmaker | yeah, why? |
| 05:56.17 | Seb | Epod69: yeah, this "voids" your stable warranty |
| 05:56.19 | Wyzard | windowmaker: The .deb file is placed one directory up from where you ran make-kpkg, not in the current directory |
| 05:56.25 | trave11er | windowmaker: you need to install the resulting kernel deb for the initrd to be generated |
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| 05:56.29 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: python2.4 is in stable |
| 05:56.31 | windowmaker | i did |
| 05:56.41 | Epod69 | how do i get it ? |
| 05:56.42 | christian | I |
| 05:56.52 | dondelelcaro | !tell Epod69 -about search |
| 05:56.54 | Wyzard | windowmaker: OK, you built a kernel with make-kpkg and installed the resulting .deb, and there's no initrd file in /boot ? |
| 05:56.54 | Seb | dondelelcaro: wanna bet he's on woody ? :) |
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| 05:57.05 | Seb | christian: you |
| 05:57.05 | windowmaker | correct |
| 05:57.07 | Wyzard | windowmaker: Did you say "--initrd" on the make-kpkg command line? |
| 05:57.10 | windowmaker | exactly |
| 05:57.19 | windowmaker | and then i try to make initrd file, and it doesn't come up |
| 05:57.24 | Seb | haha |
| 05:57.32 | Epod69 | umm...i know how to search.... |
| 05:57.33 | pwned | windowmaker: you mean with mkinitrd ? |
| 05:57.34 | Seb | windowmaker: seriously, man, you ought to run a precompiled kernel |
| 05:57.39 | dondelelcaro | windowmaker: I'll say it again, if you're compiling your own kernel, you don't need an initrd. Build the modules that you need in. |
| 05:57.39 | tetragon | but it is worthless to only offer freedom to speak but not freedom to speak freely |
| 05:57.40 | windowmaker | yeah, wth mkinitrd |
| 05:57.40 | Wyzard | windowmaker: No, you don't have to build the initrd... it happens automatically when you install the .deb |
| 05:57.48 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: if you do, then you'll know how to find what the package is called. |
| 05:57.50 | windowmaker | really? |
| 05:57.53 | windowmaker | because it didn't |
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| 05:58.04 | Wyzard | windowmaker: But only if you said "--initrd" on the make-kpkg command line |
| 05:58.08 | Epod69 | i am up to date with everything the lastest version of python i can download is 2.3.5-2 |
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| 05:58.13 | Wyzard | windowmaker: Otherwise, the built kernel isn't set up to use an initrd anyway |
| 05:58.18 | Seb | Epod69: are you using woody or sarge ? |
| 05:58.22 | trave11er | windowmaker: what does 'ls -la /boot/initrd.img' say on your system? |
| 05:58.23 | dondelelcaro | tetragon: hardly. With any freedom comes responsibiltiy. |
| 05:58.25 | Guerin | carminati: killall esd |
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| 05:58.31 | Guerin | carminati: now see if it works |
| 05:58.31 | Epod69 | sarge i think..i did a net inst |
| 05:58.46 | theboneman | ... |
| 05:58.48 | alvaro | I have a problem... I delete the root acount and using sudo block me for use it, and now I don't know haw I can to be super user... |
| 05:58.50 | windowmaker | ls: /boot/initrd.img: No such file or directory |
| 05:59.01 | windowmaker | su |
| 05:59.08 | carminati | Guerin, now, it doesn't work |
| 05:59.09 | Wyzard | Password: |
| 05:59.09 | trave11er | hm |
| 05:59.11 | Wyzard | :-) |
| 05:59.11 | theboneman | anyone know where libmp3lame would be |
| 05:59.12 | Guerin | alvaro: you deleted root? |
| 05:59.15 | alvaro | yes |
| 05:59.17 | windowmaker | weirdo |
| 05:59.18 | Guerin | !lame |
| 05:59.18 | dpkg | methinks lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 05:59.18 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 05:59.19 | windowmaker | why? |
| 05:59.19 | dondelelcaro | alvaro: uh, why exactly did you do that? |
| 05:59.22 | tetragon | dondelelcaro: well the actual responsibility is to preseve the freedom so it is not stripped away or chipped away slowly |
| 05:59.23 | Guerin | !pal alvaro |
| 05:59.36 | Wyzard | windowmaker: Anyway, rebuild your kernel and use --initrd this time |
| 05:59.37 | dondelelcaro | tetragon: it's two fold. You have to use it appropriately as well. |
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| 05:59.42 | theboneman | nm |
| 05:59.42 | Wyzard | windowmaker: That's all you need |
| 05:59.44 | alvaro | sudo I do deluser root |
| 05:59.45 | windowmaker | shit |
| 05:59.47 | dondelelcaro | tetragon: otherwise your freedom will be removed from you. |
| 05:59.52 | Epod69 | i looked at packages.debian.org, that is their stable version |
| 05:59.56 | theboneman | limewire sorta got frozen |
| 06:00.05 | bigbill52a | tetragon pm to discuss this further so we dont go off topic |
| 06:00.05 | theboneman | i cant get it off X i even killed its process... |
| 06:00.12 | tetragon | dondelelcaro: no because that in essence on restrains and restricts freedom....that is antithetical to the word freedom |
| 06:00.18 | Wyzard | theboneman: Try xkill |
| 06:00.23 | theboneman | k |
| 06:00.32 | darkcmd | anyone ever use sablevm? |
| 06:00.34 | dondelelcaro | tetragon: any pure political ideology is unworkable. Pure freedom does not exist. |
| 06:00.35 | Epod69 | its actually their highest version.... |
| 06:00.42 | theboneman | there |
| 06:00.44 | theboneman | ill remember that |
| 06:00.50 | carminati | Guerin, what do i have to do now? |
| 06:00.51 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: python!=python2.4 |
| 06:01.00 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: apt-cache search python 2.4 |
| 06:01.04 | xinming | anyone here can tell me why I got this error while using jigdo to download debian image? |
| 06:01.19 | tetragon | dondelelcaro on that account think carefully...it must exist somewhere...even if only in your mind....for you to even declare that it does not exist |
| 06:01.36 | xinming | hold on plz |
| 06:01.40 | xinming | plz -> please |
| 06:01.41 | bucky | pure freedom is freedom *from* choice... no choice at all |
| 06:01.50 | darkcmd | jigdo, I've never used it.. is that great |
| 06:01.58 | darkcmd | I want to try it |
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| 06:01.59 | dondelelcaro | tetragon: not hardly. |
| 06:02.25 | Nigel | I need a single file out of samba-doc, is there ANY way, i can just get that one file instead of all of them? (12-13MB on dialup) |
| 06:02.30 | Wyzard | darkcmd: Using bittorrent is preferable, but jigdo is better than just downloading the iso from a cdimage server |
| 06:02.36 | xinming | darkcmd: well, in fact, some times. it is great. Except watching the status of downloading. just like how big a image is finished. |
| 06:02.56 | tetragon | dondelelcaro: think man....to state FREEDOM does not to exist...you are stating that it exist somewhere...even if just your mind.... |
| 06:02.57 | bucky | Nigel, samba.org ? |
| 06:03.03 | bigbill52a | the opposing sides of every significant struggle are financed by the same source...to produce a hegalian dialectic...so the money changers in the background achieve the change they desire.. |
| 06:03.04 | theboneman | can i use alien to create a .deb from source code ? |
| 06:03.06 | aiw | is it possible to modify the way a debian package was compiled? |
| 06:03.11 | Epod69 | dondelelcaro...your right, i can install python2.4, why is it a different category from just python |
| 06:03.12 | tetragon | dondelelcaro: let me give you an example |
| 06:03.12 | xinming | darkcmd: jigdo don't need to download all of them if you've already got the image. |
| 06:03.26 | dondelelcaro | tetragon: uh, that's not logical at all. non-existance does not beget existance. |
| 06:03.29 | waTR | is there any way to remove with apt the gnome desktop leaving only KDE? |
| 06:03.31 | darkcmd | so it assembles you a debian iso... for install that includes the packages you want? |
| 06:03.35 | dondelelcaro | Epod69: because it's a totally different package. |
| 06:03.36 | Nigel | bucky: you know what, i never thought of that |
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| 06:03.45 | bucky | it's a good resource |
| 06:03.46 | nvz | Nigel: think outside the box, read the online documentation |
| 06:04.07 | tetragon | dondelelcaro: if it does not exist at least in your mind...at least there....you could not even state that "IT" does not exist |
| 06:04.12 | xinming | waTR: apt-get remove gnome-core might do this. not sure. :-) |
| 06:04.21 | Wyzard | darkcmd: No, it just downloads the official Debian isos (or any other large file that someone wants to publish) in a way that doesn't put as much load on the cdimage servers |
| 06:04.26 | waTR | xinming: its a good start I guess ;) |
| 06:04.30 | carminati | Guerin, hey... killing "esd" alsa is now working :D |
| 06:04.40 | theboneman | can i use alien to create a .deb from tarball ? |
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| 06:04.51 | dondelelcaro | tetragon: an image of a thing is not a thing, nor is a concept of a thing a thing itself.... regardless, this is widly OT. /msg me if you want to continue. |
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| 06:05.00 | tetragon | dondelelcaro: for you would not know IT at all to even state IT does not exist |
| 06:05.04 | Wyzard | theboneman: No, that requires actually building a package |
| 06:05.11 | theboneman | oh |
| 06:05.28 | Wyzard | theboneman: Read the New Maintainers' Guide for informaton on that, but it involves actual work; it's not just a command you run |
| 06:05.29 | bucky | theboneman, you could use checkinstall to do that |
| 06:05.45 | Wyzard | theboneman: What are you trying to install that isn't packaged? |
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| 06:05.52 | theboneman | libmp3lame |
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| 06:05.56 | darkcmd | does checkinstall build shoddy packages? |
| 06:05.58 | bigbill52a | so in the words of solomon all is vanity....(futile)...except playing with linux operating systems |
| 06:06.02 | dondelelcaro | well, for some things dh-make will automatically make a package... but it doesn't always work |
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| 06:06.25 | Wyzard | theboneman: Is that different from liblame0 ? |
| 06:06.26 | nvz | theboneman: Cristian Marillat has made packages ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 06:06.26 | dondelelcaro | (and the package it generates are often suspect) |
| 06:06.34 | SerajewelKS | what's the debian way to install truetype fonts? |
| 06:06.36 | theboneman | Wyzard not sure on that one |
| 06:06.40 | theboneman | cool |
| 06:06.44 | Nigel | bucky: it wasn't actually a bit of the documentation as such |
| 06:06.50 | Wyzard | theboneman: As nvz just said, Marillat has unofficial packages of the lame stuff |
| 06:06.54 | Nigel | it was a file for LDAP and Samba to work |
| 06:06.59 | theboneman | ive made a few packages.. do you think its ok to put them up ? |
| 06:07.02 | Wyzard | theboneman: You can get mplayer and acroread from there too |
| 06:07.08 | theboneman | oh... |
| 06:07.18 | tetragon | dondelelcaro: as an example consider the contrapositive..."I exist, therefore I am" |
| 06:07.20 | Wyzard | theboneman: If you "made packages" by converting RPM to deb with alien, then no, don't post them |
| 06:07.23 | theboneman | i made my mplayer package thats why i need libmp3lame.... |
| 06:07.23 | bigbill52a | and sometimes that can be pretty futile.... |
| 06:07.25 | Xuse | totem-xine is the best |
| 06:07.32 | theboneman | Wyzard ok |
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| 06:07.50 | theboneman | Wyzard ive only made a few rpms... |
| 06:07.56 | Wyzard | theboneman: Auto-converted packages like that are not well-made packages, and should be used only as a last resort if no better package is available |
| 06:07.56 | dondelelcaro | tetragon: I set it before, this is wildly OT for #debian. If you wish to continue, /msg me. Otherwise you will be devoiced. |
| 06:08.12 | tetragon | dondelelcaro: as you can the only reason "therefore I exist" is because "I am" is assumed without justification. |
| 06:08.15 | nvz | and w32codecs, which lets you play *.rm, *.ra, *.avi, *.wmv, *.wma, *.mov with any player in debian (: |
| 06:08.16 | dondelelcaro | s/set/said/ |
| 06:08.27 | carminati | Guerin, where aer u? |
| 06:08.34 | nvz | and probably more I cant think of right now |
| 06:08.37 | theboneman | Wyzard, well, i dont feel like compiling right now |
| 06:08.43 | tetragon | dondelelcaro: as you can understand the fallacy with the contrapositive you can also understand the fallacy of "Freedom does not exist" |
| 06:08.43 | Wyzard | theboneman: If you want to learn about how to properly make Debian packages, read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 06:08.49 | theboneman | ok |
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| 06:08.58 | Wyzard | theboneman: If you just want working mplayer and lame packages, use the marillat source |
| 06:09.05 | theboneman | :] |
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| 06:09.20 | theboneman | lame_3 right ? |
| 06:09.46 | darkcmd | lol... |
| 06:09.50 | Wyzard | theboneman: I'm guessing you probably want the package called "lame" (version 3.96.1-1) |
| 06:10.01 | Wyzard | theboneman: but I'm just guessing, because I haven't actually used lame in several years |
| 06:10.06 | yoshio_ | SerajewelKS: type "apt-cache search ttf" to search for truetype fonts, then "apt-cache show your-package-name" to see info about it |
| 06:10.15 | rixth | I know this is #debian, but is it just me or is http://gentoo-wiki.com/ down? |
| 06:10.36 | theboneman | Um... |
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| 06:10.38 | Wyzard | rixth: seems down to me, too... or very very slow |
| 06:10.42 | darkcmd | use OGG! |
| 06:10.44 | john | rixth: seems down to me also |
| 06:10.48 | darkcmd | :D |
| 06:10.48 | nvz | theboneman: I used to think mplayer was cool, and its still the only thing I can really get to play fullscreen movies with a/v sync on a machine without 3d accell, but its really not much better than any other player thats in debian, the only thing I use is the codecs |
| 06:10.50 | rixth | Thanks :) |
| 06:10.50 | theboneman | its liblame0 |
| 06:10.51 | dondelelcaro | the nameserver is toast for starters... |
| 06:11.06 | Wyzard | darkcmd: Ogg is a streamable container format. Vorbis is the codec that you use to compress audio before you put it in an Ogg file. |
| 06:11.14 | theboneman | nvz i never even new about any other player really... |
| 06:11.24 | SerajewelKS | yoshio_, we're talking loose ttf files here, not debian packages |
| 06:11.27 | theboneman | knew* |
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| 06:11.35 | dondelelcaro | rixth: 209.82.178.146 is dead, and whoever set it up doesn't have a distinct secondary |
| 06:11.41 | darkcmd | is there really a legitamate reason mplayer is not in debian? |
| 06:11.44 | SerajewelKS | i've copied the file to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/ but i know i need to refresh the font server or whatever, and i can't recall how |
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| 06:11.49 | Wyzard | darkcmd: It's legally dubious |
| 06:11.52 | dondelelcaro | !tell darkcmd about mplayer legal saga |
| 06:11.56 | SerajewelKS | i'm not running xfs ATM |
| 06:11.58 | darkcmd | what do you mean? |
| 06:12.02 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.17 | mundane_pish | I wanted to thank You helpy helpers. I had some advice yesterday, didn't work. Slept over it, took another approach according the advice - and now I have my X recognizing my mouse and ATI. Yay. |
| 06:12.18 | Subvertir | hot neighbor chick just gave me a pack of smokes |
| 06:12.24 | Xuse | mplayer has a fugly gui anyway. :) |
| 06:12.25 | freshly | hai |
| 06:12.28 | Subvertir | she was like "I'm trying to quit" and I was like "glad to be of service!" |
| 06:12.32 | dondelelcaro | mundane_pish: cool |
| 06:12.40 | Wyzard | hejux: That's an issue with the site you're downloading from... use a different mirror in your sources.list |
| 06:12.40 | peterS | Subvertir: so she's trying to kill you? |
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| 06:12.49 | yoshio_ | SerajewelKS: xset fp rehash |
| 06:12.57 | Subvertir | not as hard as most women I've been with, peterS |
| 06:13.01 | nvz | theboneman: totem, xine, vlc, xmovie, noatun, smpeg, ogle, helixplayer |
| 06:13.04 | peterS | Subvertir: good deal |
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| 06:13.14 | dondelelcaro | or at least the murder isn't as acute... |
| 06:13.26 | bigbill52a | lizard people are allergic to tobacco smoke... |
| 06:13.36 | SerajewelKS | yoshio_, thanks |
| 06:13.43 | rixth | dondelelcaro, the wiki was working literally 30 minutes ago =/ wonder what happened. Oh well, time to goto google cahced version |
| 06:13.48 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro, the links in the mplayer legal saga are broken |
| 06:13.54 | hejux | does aptitude work finer then apt-get ? |
| 06:14.07 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: yes, they were a casualty of the gluck borkage. |
| 06:14.20 | Weedy | im getting segmentation fault when getting packages |
| 06:14.23 | darkcmd | hehe |
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| 06:14.41 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: you can find them trivially enough. search google for site:lists.debian.org legal mplayer don@donarmstrong.com |
| 06:14.51 | Subvertir | gluck is the third chin present on an obese woman |
| 06:14.56 | darkcmd | I asked this before, do you guys forsee debian becoming something other than GNU\Linux mainly? |
| 06:15.14 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: there's already kFreeBSD, GNU/Hurd and a few other things |
| 06:15.28 | theboneman | nvz name one of the other players ? |
| 06:15.39 | Subvertir | Debian/Hurd is going to rock the casbah in the 22nd century |
| 06:15.39 | nvz | theboneman: totem, xine, vlc, xmovie, noatun, smpeg, ogle, helixplayer |
| 06:15.44 | nvz | theboneman: I said that already |
| 06:15.51 | Subvertir | I actually like the minimalistic mplayer UI |
| 06:15.53 | theboneman | ah |
| 06:16.01 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro, yeah, but debian is officially Linux right? |
| 06:16.03 | Subvertir | left to rewind, right to ffwd, p to pause |
| 06:16.06 | Wyzard | Subvertir: "glück" is German for "luck"... I'm guessing that's where the name came from |
| 06:16.11 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: it's not officially anything |
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| 06:16.41 | darkcmd | ok.. I was wondering why it said, Debian GNU\Linux, and the fact that Debian uses a Linux kernel |
| 06:16.45 | darkcmd | on the Debian page |
| 06:16.49 | Subvertir | Wyzard, Your etymological witchcraft isn't welcome here |
| 06:16.50 | darkcmd | they should really change that |
| 06:16.51 | bucky | will debian make it easier to install java and get your sound working... i hope not |
| 06:16.52 | dondelelcaro | the only thing we release currently is GNU/Linux. There are other subprojects, though. |
| 06:17.03 | Wyzard | lol |
| 06:17.07 | Subvertir | =D |
| 06:17.24 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro, the about page should really be changed |
| 06:17.41 | darkcmd | it's a bit misleading |
| 06:17.44 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: eh, it's fine... most people don't care about the other subprojects, since we've never released them. |
| 06:17.51 | bucky | darkcmd, you should read more about linux in general |
| 06:18.09 | darkcmd | bucky, I've been using Linux since about 1996 |
| 06:18.16 | Xuse | lies |
| 06:18.20 | darkcmd | mostly Slack |
| 06:18.30 | darkcmd | I switched to Deb recently |
| 06:18.33 | Subvertir | Xuse, and hatred |
| 06:18.39 | bucky | darkcmd, so saying that debian is GNU/Linux is inaccurate and how? |
| 06:18.40 | glick | why use LVM at all why not just make it all one partition then? |
| 06:18.41 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: it's basically the standard confusion between debian the distribution and debian the project. |
| 06:18.49 | nvz | darkcmd: its fine actually read it, the What Is Debian section |
| 06:18.49 | theboneman | Wyzard what is vorbis |
| 06:19.10 | Novice | why does performance of a OS in general degrade overtime and how can that be prevented |
| 06:19.12 | Wyzard | glick: Is that a reply to my earlier comment about my drive layout? |
| 06:19.22 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: in fact, the first sentence makes it clear: "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating system. This operating system that we have created is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for short." |
| 06:19.24 | glick | Wyzard, no sorry i didnt see that message |
| 06:19.31 | exobyte | these iptable forwarding rules look right? forward port 1723 on WIFI to 10.10.1.1:1723 |
| 06:19.34 | exobyte | iptables -t nat -A prerouting_rule -i $WIFI -p tcp --dport 1723 -j DNAT --to 10.10.1.1 |
| 06:19.37 | exobyte | iptables -A forwarding_rule -i $WIFI -p tcp --dport 1723 -d 10.10.1.1 -j ACCEPT |
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| 06:19.42 | Wyzard | theboneman: It's a free audio compression codec, similar in purpose to MP3 but slightly better |
| 06:19.49 | theboneman | do i need it ? |
| 06:19.55 | Wyzard | theboneman: Vorbis data is usually put in Ogg files |
| 06:20.02 | cthulfuego | 1723 eh? |
| 06:20.07 | glick | theboneman, if you listen to ogg files |
| 06:20.08 | theboneman | libvorbis0a :\ wants to be removed cause they are no longer used... |
| 06:20.08 | Wyzard | theboneman: If you want to use Vorbis, then you need software for it, sure |
| 06:20.08 | glick | yes |
| 06:20.11 | glick | if you dont then no |
| 06:20.21 | theboneman | i probably will... |
| 06:20.21 | Xuse | flac > all |
| 06:20.33 | glick | theboneman, i have never used off files |
| 06:20.35 | nvz | actually the about page could use an update |
| 06:20.35 | glick | ogg |
| 06:20.36 | Wyzard | theboneman: Libraries that nothing depends on are unused and therefore safe to uninstall |
| 06:20.47 | nvz | some of the information could be a little fresher |
| 06:20.48 | cthulfuego | flac is useless, the files are far too large |
| 06:20.59 | dondelelcaro | nvz, darkcmd: by all means make patches and submit them, of course. |
| 06:20.59 | theboneman | why does alsa-base wanna be removed... |
| 06:21.07 | nvz | cthulfuego: you know people probably said the same thing about wav |
| 06:21.12 | theboneman | wtf |
| 06:21.12 | glick | im starting to feel like a man again |
| 06:21.16 | Xuse | cthulfuego no it is NOT useless, if you have the HD space and want the quality then it's great. |
| 06:21.16 | glick | god |
| 06:21.18 | theboneman | fux0r termcap |
| 06:21.20 | bigbill52a | how do I start up in text mode, level 3, rather than xwindows mode...i forgot how to do it |
| 06:21.20 | theboneman | lol |
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| 06:21.33 | Wyzard | glick: In my case I use LVM because it's much more flexible than having a single 400GB filesystem, but I keep my Debian on a separate (non-LVM) partition because that way I don't need any special boot hackery |
| 06:21.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell theboneman about nodm |
| 06:21.34 | cthulfuego | nvz: You implying that in 15 years time windows uses flac and we all use something else? ;-) |
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| 06:21.45 | aiw | i need to change the flags used to compile a debian package, i have apt-get the source, can i justuntar the diff.gz file, edit it then retar it and do a dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 06:21.53 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I just glanced and noticed things like More than 8710 packages..etc sure its still true, but now we have more than 15000! |
| 06:21.55 | glick | Wyzard, well i have a server with a 30 gig drive and a 100 gig drive |
| 06:22.03 | glick | i would like to set it up as a web/file server |
| 06:22.06 | glick | via ssh |
| 06:22.07 | dondelelcaro | aiw: no, just dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; edit the package, and fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 06:22.13 | glick | and apache |
| 06:22.14 | Piranha | apt-cacher makes me sad. Does it offer any advantage over any standard caching HTTP proxy? I want apt-proxy-style repository abstraction. |
| 06:22.14 | peterS | nvz: source packages are a much better metric than binary packages |
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| 06:22.25 | Weedy | what do i do with this |
| 06:22.26 | Weedy | Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
| 06:22.26 | Weedy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.33 | cthulfuego | Xuse: There are algorithm with better compression that don't degrade that abdly. I'm sure you're not the owner of a $250,000 Linn system, so you'd not notice. |
| 06:22.34 | theboneman | wtf!! |
| 06:22.38 | Wyzard | glick: Well, you could partition the 30GB drive into 10GB (Debian installation) and 20GB (LVM) |
| 06:22.46 | Wyzard | glick: and LVM for the whole 100GB drive |
| 06:22.55 | peterS | nvz: and we seem to have approximately 9292 of those |
| 06:22.59 | glick | debian doesnt need 10 gigs does it |
| 06:23.05 | dondelelcaro | glick: it can... |
| 06:23.11 | Xuse | cthulfuego i can hear a difference in quality if i compare a flac and a mp3. |
| 06:23.12 | nvz | peterS: bah (: but I see your point |
| 06:23.16 | glick | dondelelcaro, this is a dedicated server |
| 06:23.19 | glick | no X no kde |
| 06:23.22 | cthulfuego | glick: Anywhere in between 200Mb and unlimited :-) |
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| 06:23.24 | dondelelcaro | glick: it still can... |
| 06:23.25 | Wyzard | glick: My system has about 950M used, but I have a lot of software installed |
| 06:23.28 | glick | no nothin accept what its suposed to do |
| 06:23.39 | cthulfuego | Xuse: I didn't mention mp3. |
| 06:23.40 | Wyzard | glick: oops, 6.8GB used |
| 06:23.42 | nvz | peterS: when you are all about FOSS you should really be counting the code, not the binaries |
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| 06:24.04 | Xuse | cthulfuego and i don't really care what you think, i have my own reasons to use flac and i'll continue to use it. |
| 06:24.24 | nvz | cthulfuego: yeah, exactly. |
| 06:24.25 | cthulfuego | Xuse: if you don't care about what others thing, don't make statements they might respond to. |
| 06:24.33 | Wyzard | glick: 5GB would probably be enough |
| 06:24.45 | bucky | ogg sounds the best |
| 06:24.49 | peterS | nvz: right, it makes no sense to brag about python-celementtree, python2.2-celementtree, python2.3-celementtree and python2.4-celementtree being four distinct packages |
| 06:24.55 | nvz | cthulfuego: I'd like to see Microsoft selling toasters door to door in another 15 years, but its not going to happen |
| 06:25.19 | cthulfuego | nvz: What, ToasterXP with a new, shinier interface? |
| 06:25.41 | peterS | in 15 years, toasters will run Windows CE |
| 06:25.50 | cthulfuego | nvz: If they do, 2 years after that we might get toasters that could pop up either slice of toast independently, depending on its toastedness! |
| 06:25.53 | Wyzard | peter_: or Debian Embedded :-) |
| 06:26.00 | nvz | cthulfuego: heh |
| 06:26.02 | Xuse | cthulfuego is pretty obvious you don't know what the hell your talking about. |
| 06:26.09 | bigbill52a | and you have to restart the toaster for every toast you toast |
| 06:26.14 | glick | im downloading sarge iso 1 so i can install it entirely in my room here without having to walk back and fourth |
| 06:26.15 | theboneman | ok |
| 06:26.15 | glick | :) |
| 06:26.16 | cthulfuego | Xuse: Please stop talking to me. |
| 06:26.17 | theboneman | later guys |
| 06:26.40 | Wyzard | glick: If you'll have an Internet connection available while installing, you can just get the businesscard or netinst CD |
| 06:26.55 | Xuse | cthulfuego then stop spouting crap. |
| 06:27.04 | glick | Wyzard, i do but the connection is outside, if i run into issues i dont want to have to run back and fourth |
| 06:27.16 | cthulfuego | Welcome to the ignore list. |
| 06:27.19 | peterS | so, debian forces me to do too much work |
| 06:27.31 | nvz | eh? |
| 06:27.35 | peterS | I want to watch a movie, right? then I remember the totem-xine bug that's been, you know, bugging me |
| 06:27.47 | peterS | so I go to report that, but my totem-xine isn't up to date, so I figure I should upgrade that |
| 06:27.53 | nvz | so use gxine, works for me(tm) |
| 06:28.05 | peterS | this pulls in a great deal of gnome 2.10 and threatens to dismantle galeon unless I update that too |
| 06:28.06 | cthulfuego | peterS: ANd before you know it, X got removed due to missing depened? ;-) |
| 06:28.08 | glick | taking about upgrades |
| 06:28.10 | glick | time i do that |
| 06:28.11 | Xuse | totem-xine works fine for me, what bug is it? |
| 06:28.13 | peterS | cthulfuego: almost, dude, almost |
| 06:28.21 | Wyzard | peterS: I'm running up-to-date sid and Galeon still works |
| 06:28.23 | nvz | who the fuck uses galeon? |
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| 06:28.26 | peterS | Xuse: kernel 2.6, if you don't have the ide-cd module loaded, it crashes |
| 06:28.27 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.40 | peterS | Xuse: it's a simple thing to work around, but I figure I should report it anyway |
| 06:28.57 | glick | man debian is such a pleasure to run |
| 06:29.01 | peterS | nvz: I use galeon. firefox was a POS last I checked. maybe it has improved in the past couple of name changes |
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| 06:29.05 | Wyzard | peterS: hmm... but totem-xine is one of the six packages that are held back today |
| 06:29.13 | glick | i cant understand for the life of my why people are afraid of Linux, especially Debian |
| 06:29.25 | Xuse | ah peterS i have it loaded but haven't had that problem yet. |
| 06:29.32 | johnp | peterS, :) |
| 06:29.35 | nvz | I thought galeon was cool back before they redesigned the interface for gtk2.0 and nearly all the features became inaccessible from the interface, and then firefox, links2, came out.. and there was no point in seeing any more |
| 06:29.39 | peterS | nvz: that is to say, phoenix was a POS. I didn't check firebird or firefox |
| 06:29.50 | bigbill52a | what is the work around peters? |
| 06:29.59 | peterS | bigbill52a: as root: 'modprobe ide-cd' |
| 06:30.07 | peterS | bigbill52a: this has the side effect of making your CDROM drive work |
| 06:30.11 | bigbill52a | thanks |
| 06:30.26 | Wyzard | nvz: The features I use most are viewing Web pages, typing URLs, and selecting bookmarks, and those things are as easy as ever |
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| 06:30.33 | nvz | peterS: I know one thing, its a smut surfers dream. no browser has more porn extensions. thumbs, DTA, Flashgot, magpie..etc |
| 06:30.34 | nevyn | galeon 1.x rocked. 2.x killed it. |
| 06:30.40 | glick | i couldnt do ubuntu' |
| 06:30.52 | glick | i just didnt feel right running ubuntu |
| 06:30.56 | Xuse | eww ubuntu |
| 06:30.57 | Xuse | !! |
| 06:30.58 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 06:31.00 | glick | i wouldnt trust my life to it |
| 06:31.00 | johnp | peterS, firefox is *much* better |
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| 06:31.05 | bigbill52a | boot sometimes hangs and stops booting..and maybe that is causing it? |
| 06:31.14 | robert | Wyzard, the dhcp3-client gives the same errors as dhcp-client |
| 06:31.16 | peterS | nevyn: you refer to galeon 1.3.x, I assume. yes, it did. it's still pretty ok, but it's not 1.2.5 |
| 06:31.20 | peterS | nvz: hehe |
| 06:31.25 | glick | yay, all upgraded and uptodate |
| 06:31.47 | peterS | localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 35232K |
| 06:32.06 | aiw | dondelelcaro: i don;'t quite understand, after i dpkg-source -x the .dsc file, i have a new directory, is this the merged results of the orig and the diff? what do i then need to edit? |
| 06:32.06 | peterS | hmmm, those translators translate a lot of stuff |
| 06:32.06 | Wyzard | robert: Either there's a bug in Debian's version of the DHCP client, or there's a legitimate difference in Debian's DHCP client which is triggering a bug on the DHCP server. |
| 06:32.10 | glick | time to revoke my old gpg key and make a new one |
| 06:32.18 | Wyzard | robert: Since it's a suspicious DHCP server in the first place, I'd tend to think it's the latter |
| 06:32.27 | Wyzard | glick: Expired, or compromised? |
| 06:32.29 | bucky | Nigel, did you have to re-compile samba for ldap support ? |
| 06:32.38 | robert | it's not suspicious, it's Comcast's |
| 06:32.42 | robert | I called and asked |
| 06:32.44 | nvz | haha |
| 06:32.50 | glick | Wyzard, no, i just wont have the email address that i made it under forever |
| 06:32.54 | Wyzard | robert: Comcast is actually NATting customers? |
| 06:32.55 | nvz | that sound suspicious to me |
| 06:33.00 | Wyzard | glick: You don't have to revoke they key for that |
| 06:33.02 | robert | Here, I guess |
| 06:33.07 | glick | oh no? |
| 06:33.07 | Wyzard | glick: Just remove the userid and add a new one |
| 06:33.24 | bucky | heya grumpydog |
| 06:33.26 | peterS | and here I thought comcast was the broadband ISP that actually piped IPv6 native to the home |
| 06:33.30 | Wyzard | glick: A "userid" is a name and email address, and you can have more than one associated with a key. |
| 06:33.32 | peterS | you know, an enlightened sort of outfit |
| 06:34.01 | Wyzard | robert: Well, I'm already thinking about switching to Verizon's FIOS, and if Comcast starts NATting me, I'll switch in a heartbeat |
| 06:34.02 | nvz | peterS: I got comcast, do you see IPv6? |
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| 06:34.17 | robert | peterS, well I do get ipv6 here, that's why I was wondering if it could've been a conflict with IPv6, since I don't have that setup on the debian sarge box... |
| 06:34.20 | peterS | nvz: I don't see ipv6. maybe I was thinking of someone else, or maybe your box doesn't pull in the ipv6 address automatically |
| 06:34.48 | nvz | peterS: its a Motorolla Modem thats connected to the internet, not my box |
| 06:35.07 | nvz | er Motorola I think it is |
| 06:35.24 | peterS | hello, moto |
| 06:35.24 | Wyzard | robert: Anyway, you can use dhcpdump to compare the "working" and "non-working" DHCP requests |
| 06:35.42 | nvz | Modem/Router/WAP thingy |
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| 06:35.55 | robert | # whereis dhcpdump |
| 06:35.55 | robert | dhcpdump: |
| 06:36.05 | peterS | !installit |
| 06:36.05 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 06:36.09 | Wyzard | robert: apt-get install tcpdump dhcpdump; man dhcpdump |
| 06:36.20 | shark` | robert, get a sniffer to see the dhcp talking |
| 06:36.28 | Wyzard | robert: It's a filter for tcpdump output which decodes and displays the contents of DHCP packets |
| 06:36.41 | Wyzard | robert: The manpage has a sample command line |
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| 06:36.54 | Epod69 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=39679&action=view , this is the patch i am required to install (txt), how do i install it ? |
| 06:37.03 | nvz | tcpdump + netdude, if you are unsable to read tcp |
| 06:37.03 | rixth | Here's a dumb question, how long is the stretch between major kernel releases? ie 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 06:37.11 | peterS | Epod69: probably download and use 'patch -NEp1' or similar. who knows |
| 06:37.18 | robert | Wyzard, okay |
| 06:37.20 | peterS | rixth: long. very long. |
| 06:37.31 | nvz | the strech? |
| 06:37.42 | peterS | rixth: kernel 2.8 is probably even longer. it may or may not ever happen at all |
| 06:38.19 | robert | peterS, blah |
| 06:38.31 | rixth | peterS, surely ut will happen EVENTUALLY. But that,s good to know, was it about 2 years? 3? 4? |
| 06:38.42 | robert | I was asking if it was a part of tcpdump :> |
| 06:38.45 | Epod69 | what is -NEp1 |
| 06:38.47 | Epod69 | ? |
| 06:38.52 | peterS | rixth: hmmmm. you can check file timestamps on http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/ |
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| 06:39.11 | rixth | Good idea |
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| 06:39.23 | robert | Wyzard, are you absolutely sure that there is nothing in the config that I could have missed? |
| 06:39.31 | JeffH | how can I find out what package a particular file belongs to? |
| 06:39.36 | peterS | rixth: pay no attention to *directory* timestamps, but the files themselves have accurate times, as far as I know |
| 06:39.40 | nvz | I wonder what will become of linux when linus is out of the picture. he's once again of the most active in the kernel project, and still pretty much a leader or great influence on development |
| 06:39.46 | Nigel | bucky: nope |
| 06:40.06 | bucky | ok |
| 06:40.10 | rixth | Jan-2001 (2.4.0) Dec-2003 (2.6.0) |
| 06:40.22 | peterS | nvz: there's a lot of linux beyond linus. I have no fear that linux will crumble when he gets hit by that beer truck, but it'll certainly change a lot.. |
| 06:40.31 | nvz | haha |
| 06:40.55 | Wyzard | robert: Not that I can think of offhand, but comparing the Fedora and Debian DHCP requests with dhcpdump is what I'd do to find out |
| 06:41.08 | glick | i have my key in .gnugpg yet when i go to account settings, in security in thunderbird it says it cant find an appropriet certificate to use for signing and encryption |
| 06:41.46 | Wyzard | glick: When it says "certificate", it probably means X.509, which is a different cryptosystem |
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| 06:42.15 | peterS | glick: also you probably mean .gnupg not .gnugpg (: |
| 06:42.16 | Wyzard | glick: Using PGP with email and using X.509 certificates with email are two completely independent things |
| 06:42.18 | glick | Wyzard, cant i use gpg in thinderbird |
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| 06:42.24 | Epod69 | can someone explain to me how to install a patch... |
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| 06:42.34 | ozzloy | if you're behind a router behind another router, does UPnP still work? |
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| 06:42.41 | Wyzard | glick: You probably can -- I don't use Thunderbird so I don't know for sure -- but the "certificate" stuff is probably not the way to do it |
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| 06:42.49 | peterS | ozzloy: oy, people are actually using upnp? |
| 06:42.52 | laopa | what is the cleanest way to uninstall a package? |
| 06:42.59 | nvz | I dont know how I sit here and B.S. for 4hours with timestamps on every line, and don't notice that its a quarter till 3am |
| 06:43.00 | peterS | laopa: aptitude remove packagename |
| 06:43.03 | Wyzard | glick: Look for stuff that actually mentions PGP or GPG |
| 06:43.11 | peterS | nvz: ha |
| 06:43.17 | laopa | peterS, thks. |
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| 06:43.20 | Wyzard | nvz: hehe, I just noticed the same thing a few minutes ago |
| 06:43.29 | ozzloy | peterS, yeah, i'm learning about it for gaim. i wanna be able to send and receive files from less technically adept people |
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| 06:44.13 | ozzloy | peterS, hopefully i can write support for it. i'd like to get money from google for it too. |
| 06:44.23 | yoshio_ | JeffH: example "dpkg -S /bin/ls" |
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| 06:44.37 | Wyzard | ozzloy: hehe... my brother wants to work on Gaim for that Google thing too |
| 06:44.39 | nvz | google is giving away money? |
| 06:44.41 | peterS | ozzloy: well, I don't know anything about how UPnP works, but I thought it was a link-local sort of thing - i.e., not the sort of thing you'd run through NAT in the first place |
| 06:44.48 | Wyzard | nvz: "Summer of Code" |
| 06:44.53 | nvz | what?! |
| 06:44.55 | ozzloy | nvz check out code.google.com |
| 06:45.06 | robert | nvz, they're handing out $4500 for every completed project |
| 06:45.10 | whm | how to let a program(it's not a daemon like program) run like a daemon on a remote server when I connect it by ssh??? |
| 06:45.15 | nvz | shiiiit |
| 06:45.20 | ozzloy | peterS, it's made to tackle issues with NAT |
| 06:45.26 | nvz | its the summer for nvz to remember how to code |
| 06:45.28 | peterS | whm: huh? depends on the program |
| 06:45.32 | robert | but you need to be selected by the project coordinators |
| 06:46.08 | ozzloy | Wyzard, i've been wanting to write this beginning in the summer for a while. somewhere in the middle of the schoolyear i decided that as soon as summer came around i'd have enough time |
| 06:46.08 | Wyzard | OK, bedtime for me |
| 06:46.13 | laopa | package manager groups packages in categories. is it possible to make it list all packages in one level in alphabetically order? |
| 06:46.13 | whm | i do not want it terminated when i logout |
| 06:46.25 | ozzloy | Wyzard, and along comes google saying they'll give out money. night night |
| 06:46.29 | Wyzard | /goodnight #debian :-) |
| 06:46.52 | robert | hey Wyzard, 1 more question... is it possible that I setup the alias eth0 via_rhine in the wrong place? or that i'm using the wrong module? I am pretty sure that the module is via_rhine... |
| 06:47.16 | yoshio_ | whm: "man nohup" |
| 06:47.40 | Wyzard | robert: Possible, but I'd think dhclient would give some other error if you told it to run on a nonexistent interface |
| 06:47.48 | Wyzard | robert: eth0 doesn't exist until the module is loaded and has found the card |
| 06:48.09 | robert | k |
| 06:48.10 | robert | thanks |
| 06:48.21 | Wyzard | robert: You could try "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" at a shell prompt, once the system has finished booting and via-rhine is definitely loaded |
| 06:48.33 | robert | night man |
| 06:48.35 | robert | thanks again |
| 06:48.38 | n3x | day man |
| 06:48.43 | Supaplex | Wyzard: yo |
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| 06:49.11 | Wyzard | robert: Actually, one last thought |
| 06:49.18 | Supaplex | Wyzard: hint, turn the monitor off. :) muhuhahahaaa |
| 06:49.26 | n3x | he cant |
| 06:49.29 | robert | okay |
| 06:49.31 | yoshio_ | laopa: you can look at the files in /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 06:49.38 | Wyzard | robert: I once got confused by my router apparently not getting an IP, and it turned out to be that I'd loaded the two network cards' drivers in the wrong order |
| 06:49.40 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:49.54 | Wyzard | robert: so I was trying to ifup eth0, but the card connected to the outside was the one called eth1 |
| 06:50.06 | Wyzard | robert: If your box has multiple network interfaces, check that |
| 06:50.12 | robert | naw, just one |
| 06:50.15 | Wyzard | oh |
| 06:50.16 | Wyzard | oh well |
| 06:50.18 | robert | unfortunately... |
| 06:50.23 | robert | i wish it could be that simple |
| 06:50.24 | robert | lol |
| 06:51.30 | Supaplex | Wyzard: huh? |
| 06:51.36 | mundane_pish | Umm. This may sound stupid...but how do I startx with kdm instead of xdm? |
| 06:52.06 | peterS | mundane_pish: you don't. startx doesn't launch a *dm |
| 06:52.08 | Supaplex | !kdm |
| 06:52.08 | dpkg | i heard kdm is the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user |
| 06:52.31 | peterS | mundane_pish: if you want kdm to run at boot time and start up the X server itself, you can 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm' or so |
| 06:52.34 | Supaplex | uninstall xdm, install kdm. ? |
| 06:52.48 | peterS | mundane_pish: or, just uninstall xdm, although this will also uninstall the metapackage 'x-window-system' |
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| 06:53.26 | mundane_pish | Nawh, I like the text-based login and stuff. But yeah. Let's see now... |
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| 06:54.17 | johnp | anyone know if i can (and how to get) firefox/thunderbird with apt-get or synaptic PM? |
| 06:54.22 | yoshio_ | mundane_pish: check your startup links in /etc/rc2.d, rename S99xdm to K99xdm, add a S99kdm link to /etc/init.d/kdm |
| 06:54.36 | sanxiyn | john: apt-get install mozilla-firefox mozilla-thunderbird |
| 06:54.37 | peterS | mundane_pish: what you're asking is how to run a KDE session from startx, I guess. if you want to do that *all* the time, you can just edit ~/.xsession to say 'startkde' |
| 06:54.45 | johnp | sanxiyn: , thx |
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| 06:55.07 | sanxiyn | johnp: Also, if your native language isn't English, you can get mozilla-firefox-locale-?? and mozilla-thunderbird-locale-??. |
| 06:55.08 | peterS | mundane_pish: but I think 'startx startkde' also works. haven't tried it |
| 06:55.48 | johnp | sanxiyn, nah, i'm australian - but thanks ;-) |
| 06:56.05 | viyyer | I am using acpi button module for shutting down.. but the scary thing happening is that there is no message coming up on gnome. asking to save .. and warning me that it is shutting down |
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| 06:56.32 | sanxiyn | Free softwares -- Rosetta stone of contemporary world :-) |
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| 06:59.22 | cthulfuego | Damn fascists. |
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| 06:59.33 | johnp | lol |
| 06:59.44 | sanxiyn | !fascist |
| 06:59.44 | dpkg | fascist is probably All american people are authoritarian fascists |
| 06:59.45 | johnp | debian sarge looks great |
| 07:00.09 | johnp | tried woody when it came out and didn't like it all that much |
| 07:00.38 | sanxiyn | I wonder who made such stupid factoid like "fascist". |
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| 07:01.49 | Rizzer | johnp: what didn't you like about woody? what is it about sarge that you now like? |
| 07:02.06 | scarynetworkguy | !tell sanxiyn about factinfo fascist |
| 07:02.11 | Guerin | !factinfo fascist |
| 07:02.12 | dpkg | fascist -- created by Spinetta <~vSpinetta@adsl-64-169-92-31.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> at Fri Jun 27 08:40:30 2003 (715 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by sanxiyn, 2m 26s ago. |
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| 07:02.19 | johnp | well for starters the installation is a lot more streamlined now |
| 07:02.53 | johnp | but, it's probably the vast improvement in gnome that makes it much more usable |
| 07:02.58 | Rizzer | ah yes, a lot of work was put into the new installer. That was the first reason why sarge was so long getting released |
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| 07:03.09 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: Bullshit. |
| 07:03.13 | johnp | have been using Fedora |
| 07:03.39 | sanxiyn | Fedora is nice, too. |
| 07:03.39 | Rizzer | scarynetworkguy: bullshit back. were you paying attention when woody was released? |
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| 07:03.47 | Piranha | I think I like approx. A lot. |
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| 07:03.57 | ozzloy | johnp, the installation is /more/ streamlined now? geeze it was pretty easy when i installed |
| 07:04.00 | johnp | dispite any opinions floating here - it is a very well polished distro (apart from up2date - which is now shit) |
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| 07:04.58 | johnp | ozzloy, i was pretty new to linux back then and had only used RH/Mandrake - so you could probably even dismiss my opiion as ignorant ;-) |
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| 07:05.14 | johnp | but it's a rally nice to use now |
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| 07:05.21 | johnp | *really |
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| 07:06.05 | Rizzer | the old boot-floppies install had less automated hardware detection. The new installer uses discover, which seems to be making a big difference |
| 07:06.20 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: I've been paying attention since Slink was released. Yes the installer is by some peoples standards better and there has been a lot of work done on it. But that is *not* the reason that the release took so long. The installer has been done for months. The long release is for all the same reasons it took so long to go fron Slink to Woody then from Woody to Potato. |
| 07:06.53 | johnp | no the installer in woody was very counter-intuitive for newbies i thought |
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| 07:07.04 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: that's not really accurate. the installer *is* one reason the release took this long. it's been done for months, but it held up the release for a lot of months beforethat |
| 07:07.09 | Rizzer | scarynetworkguy: " The installer has been done for months." ... exactly my point. I said it was the *first* reason, not the last. |
| 07:07.32 | robert | When I first installed Potato along time ago, I knew nothing..... and I got it done with a little bit of reading (maybe 20 minutes tops) |
| 07:08.02 | robert | to each their own |
| 07:08.11 | johnp | indeed |
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| 07:08.17 | glick | in thunderbird how do i disable html email composition? |
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| 07:08.22 | glick | i dont see it in preferences |
| 07:08.30 | glick | and enigmail keeps warning me about it |
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| 07:08.55 | Rizzer | glick: it must be there somewhere :) |
| 07:09.04 | sanxiyn | glick: Options > Composition > HTML Options. |
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| 07:09.50 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: No. The first reason was the same reason that Debian has *always* had such a long release cycle. |
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| 07:10.00 | sanxiyn | glick: Found it? |
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| 07:10.59 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: If it was the installer holding things up then why wasn't the release when the installer was fisnished? I mean it's not like the rest of the relase wasn't being worked on while the installer was being coded. |
| 07:11.00 | Rizzer | scarynetworkguy: I'm using the work "first" in the chronological sense, not necessarily the "most important" sense. I mean the installer was the main thing we were waiting for 2 years ago. |
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| 07:11.47 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: to some extent this is exactly what happened. people went into a sort of holding pattern waiting on the installer, then when that threatened to get finished they noticed all the other crap that should have been taken care of earlier |
| 07:11.49 | Rizzer | other things came up afterwards. Through most of last year it was security infrastructure we were waiting for. |
| 07:11.58 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: Then you are still wrong because all of the other problems with the Debian release cycle existed in 1999 when nobody had ever even thought of the installer. And Woody to Potato was closer to three years ago. |
| 07:12.42 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: That's not what I saw and doesn't account for the fact that this was really no longer than any other Debian release. But I'm not going to argue it anymore. |
| 07:12.46 | bigbill52a | was woody released 2002 or 2003? |
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| 07:12.52 | Rizzer | the installer was one of the things holding up woody. The installer issue is now dealt with. We can hope etch won't be so long coming. |
| 07:12.57 | floppyears | hi |
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| 07:13.07 | cat | floppyears: hello |
| 07:13.15 | floppyears | can somebody help me get php working in apache |
| 07:13.16 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: Which history tells us is a false hope. |
| 07:13.21 | floppyears | I"m getting the following error |
| 07:13.30 | floppyears | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() |
| 07:13.34 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: Because if it was the installer how do you account for all of the earlier release cycles? |
| 07:13.35 | Rizzer | if we don't hope, we only despair ;) |
| 07:13.38 | sanxiyn | floppyears: Install php4-mysql. |
| 07:13.42 | cat | php4-mysql |
| 07:13.44 | cat | that should work |
| 07:14.04 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: Or we can be realistic and deal with the real issues. |
| 07:14.13 | sanxiyn | Rizzer: Well, "false hope" is useless? |
| 07:14.20 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: boot-floppies held up woody because it was so crufty that nobody wanted to beat it into shape. d-i held up sarge because it wasn't done. now with d-i there *is* reason to believe it can be maintained in reasonable shape for when etch comes out. this is quite different from boot-floppies which was a pile of hacks nobody wanted to mess with |
| 07:14.49 | floppyears | sanxiyn: php4-mysql is already the newest version. |
| 07:14.57 | Rizzer | scarynetworkguy: that's exactly what I'm saying. The old installer (boot-floppies) was complete crap. It essentially had to be rewritten with each release, causing much pain at each release. That's why the new one was needed. And now the new one is here. |
| 07:14.59 | sanxiyn | floppyears: Heh. |
| 07:15.01 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: I'm as pessimistic as you are in some ways - there will *always* be release blockers that nobody saw coming. I do believe, however, that debian-installer won't be one of them next time around |
| 07:15.10 | Guerin | floppyears: make sure mysql is referenced in php.ini |
| 07:15.12 | Rizzer | real issues are dull :) |
| 07:15.14 | sanxiyn | floppyears: Restart apache? |
| 07:15.18 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: *shrug* Doesn't seem to fit the facts from where I sit. |
| 07:15.22 | floppyears | cat: I already have that version installed :( |
| 07:15.29 | cat | yeah hold up a sec |
| 07:15.35 | floppyears | cat: sanxiyn did I mention that I'm running apache2 |
| 07:15.45 | cat | nope |
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| 07:15.59 | yoshio_ | floppyears: maybe apt-cache show php4-mysql |
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| 07:16.10 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: the number of architectures supported is a big question mark. slink, potato, and woody each added architectures. etch will probably take some away. this may streamline the release, or it may not |
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| 07:16.27 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: I, for one, *really* liked the Woody installer. And in many ways think the new one is crap. So there you go. Fact of the matter is there are far bigger issues and the all existed before this and still all exist. |
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| 07:16.50 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: And that is imo a much bigger problem and a really good way to start sorting the problem. |
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| 07:16.56 | floppyears | Guerin: that's probably my problem |
| 07:17.00 | floppyears | Guerin: how did I do that ? |
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| 07:17.08 | floppyears | sanxiyn: yep |
| 07:17.10 | Rizzer | I mean "crap" from the point of view of maintaining the code, rather than its usability. |
| 07:17.43 | sanxiyn | An interesting article related to "many arch" problem of Debian: |
| 07:17.44 | sanxiyn | http://www.livejournal.com/users/udrepper/7326.html |
| 07:17.49 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: I also think that the project needs more of a OpenBSD attitude. In the sense that they need to quit giving a shit what the great unwashed masses of lusers think and start doing a distro for and by hackers and admins again. |
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| 07:17.49 | cat | Rizzer: if you complain so much help around with the installer, or make the installed at you'r tasted |
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| 07:18.30 | sanxiyn | "Dictatorship of the Minorities" |
| 07:18.31 | Rizzer | cat: I'm not sure what you mean. The new installer is fine. |
| 07:18.44 | cat | oh then i got the wrong guy ;P |
| 07:18.44 | glick | hey can you make the xfce mail checker poll for messages on remote imap shares? |
| 07:19.04 | whm_ | i connect a server by ssh, and i can run X11 programe like "gvim" on it ,buy when i run "bmp" to play a song , there is no sound, why? |
| 07:19.22 | peterS | whm_: sound happens on the remote end. it's not piped through ssh. |
| 07:19.25 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: Be aware that there are many people, such as myself, who really don't like it that well. |
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| 07:19.27 | sanxiyn | whm: That will need something like NAS(Network Audio System)? |
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| 07:19.40 | peterS | whm_: if you want it to be, you should contribute to the MAS project or something |
| 07:19.52 | whm_ | i see |
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| 07:20.09 | Rizzer | scarynetworkguy: send bug reports, if there's anything specific that should change |
| 07:20.17 | peterS | whm_: or, as sanxiyn says, make ssh tunnel NAS as well as X |
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| 07:20.45 | whm_ | i will try |
| 07:20.52 | whm_ | thank all :) |
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| 07:21.04 | peterS | whm_: it's a matter of having bmp use NAS, and having a NAS server on your local machine, and forwarding port 8000 from there to here |
| 07:21.14 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: See my above about the great unwashed masses of lusers. That is imo the primary problem with the new installer. |
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| 07:21.28 | whm_ | got it |
| 07:21.30 | beata_ | Anyone know how to make custom encoder plugin for jack/unstable? |
| 07:21.57 | peterS | whm_: well, and probably set the remote environment variable AUDIO to :0 or yourlocalmachine:0 or similar, depending on how you want to work it |
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| 07:22.34 | Rizzer | scarynetworkguy: can you be more specific? what don't you like about the new installer? I think what you wrote earlier has slipped off my scroll-space. |
| 07:22.42 | sanxiyn | peterS: ...could be better, no? :( |
| 07:22.57 | peterS | sanxiyn: note that I started by saying "contribute to the MAS project" (: |
| 07:23.18 | peterS | sanxiyn: MAS has the option of tunneling itself inside the X protocol, which would solve his whole deal right there |
| 07:23.25 | beata | Hmm. |
| 07:23.26 | JeffH | can someone help me configure qmail to use spamassassin? I set it up and now my mail server won't accept any e-mail. |
| 07:24.01 | whm_ | i am trying :) |
| 07:24.04 | peterS | sanxiyn: it's an x.org project, I believe |
| 07:25.07 | beata | Python makes my brain hurt. |
| 07:25.24 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: I also think that the project needs more of a OpenBSD attitude. In the sense that they need to quit giving a shit what the great unwashed masses of lusers think and start doing a distro for and by hackers and admins again. |
| 07:25.41 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: And if you don't grok that then it ain't worth my time to try and explain it. |
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| 07:25.48 | sanxiyn | peterS: You mean this? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/MAS |
| 07:25.57 | yoshio_ | floppyears: do you have libapache2-mod-php4 installed? apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php4 doesn't list mysql as being compiled in as a module |
| 07:26.00 | peterS | sanxiyn: without following the link - most likely yes |
| 07:26.01 | sanxiyn | beata: How? |
| 07:26.31 | Rizzer | scarynetworkguy: "And if you don't grok that then it ain't worth my time to try and explain it."... in that case, all I can say is "whatever" |
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| 07:26.39 | floppyears | yoshio_: thanks, I got it working |
| 07:26.40 | sanxiyn | beata: /join #python? |
| 07:26.45 | floppyears | yoshio_: yes, I had that installed |
| 07:27.08 | johnp | scarynetworkguy, what? so no-one uses it? so it descends into something approaching needing the use or witchcraft in order to install and run it again |
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| 07:27.18 | floppyears | yoshio_: I just didn't have the dynamic extension in php.ini |
| 07:27.32 | sanxiyn | floppyears: Heh, that explains. |
| 07:27.36 | beata | Hmm. That's a good idea actually. Yah. Actually trying to do something with jack, and failing.. |
| 07:27.44 | galois | how do I make pump run on startup? |
| 07:27.51 | sanxiyn | beata: Are you messing with Python JACK extension? |
| 07:27.53 | caphuso | galois: man 5 interfaces |
| 07:28.06 | floppyears | sanxiyn: I want to learn apache inside out |
| 07:28.10 | galois | caphuso: ta |
| 07:28.18 | beata | sanxiyn: jack, the CD audio ripper. |
| 07:28.18 | floppyears | but I'm confused as to where to start |
| 07:28.27 | Guerin | floppyears: httpd.apache.org |
| 07:28.34 | floppyears | is debian-apache different enough than the regular apahce2 |
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| 07:28.40 | scarynetworkguy | johnp: I never had a problem doing a install with the old installer I know many people who never had problems and yes I take strong contrarian view of the idea that a lot of people using Debian is a good thing. |
| 07:28.59 | sanxiyn | beata: Oops, not a low-latency (realtime) audio server named JACK? |
| 07:29.12 | floppyears | Guerin: is apache2 in debian different meaning that there is a debian way of doing things that is different than in other distros |
| 07:29.15 | beata | Right. Not the audio server. |
| 07:29.22 | beata | Yay for namespace collisions. |
| 07:29.26 | scarynetworkguy | Rizzer: Mostly cause if you don't get why then you are not one of my peers. One of the main reasons I'm around so little these days is the number of lusers we have managed to get here. |
| 07:29.30 | sanxiyn | floppyears: There are some. Read README. |
| 07:29.36 | sanxiyn | floppyears: But not really all that different. |
| 07:29.43 | rixth | Okay, I have a bootsplash installed and worknig, but how do I change the image? |
| 07:29.49 | rixth | working* |
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| 07:30.05 | Rizzer | scarynetworkguy: you seem to be assuming being your peer is something I'd aspire to... |
| 07:30.11 | johnp | scarynetworkguy, well i would have thought that: more new debian users now == more people to contribute in future and a larger install-base |
| 07:30.29 | peterS | johnp: some classes of users are likely to produce more developers and some are not |
| 07:30.32 | Guerin | floppyears: not wildly different in principle; just in specifics. |
| 07:30.41 | beata | I dropped out due to the molten iron coming off the project mailing lists. ; |
| 07:30.41 | JeffH | How can I reinstall a package that is already installed? |
| 07:30.50 | Guerin | JeffH: --reinstall |
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| 07:31.04 | johnp | scarynetworkguy, then the new users now will take the role of helping the new users in future - what's your point |
| 07:31.07 | sanxiyn | johnp: More user != not necessarily more contributors. |
| 07:31.28 | JeffH | Guerin: thanks. |
| 07:31.29 | scarynetworkguy | johnp: All things that I don't really see as good. But then again I'm an elitist asshole and proud of it. |
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| 07:31.33 | johnp | sanxiyn, true - but it does increase the chances |
| 07:31.36 | galois | caphuso: you were suggesting adding it as a pre-up command? |
| 07:31.50 | caphuso | galois: no, i'm suggesting configuring the interface properly |
| 07:31.51 | scarynetworkguy | johnp: That assumes that you think that having "users" is a good thing. Which I don't. |
| 07:32.12 | caphuso | users are not a problem. user playing admin are |
| 07:32.17 | johnp | scarynetworkguy, hehe - you must be a sysadmin too then ;-) |
| 07:32.21 | peterS | johnp: some classes of users are likely to give back, in the aggregate, more manpower than they consume to support. some are not likely to. scarynetworkguy takes the view that the users catered to when you make the system 'easy to install' are the second class |
| 07:32.28 | floppyears | Guerin: is there a place where I can learn those specifics |
| 07:32.32 | sanxiyn | Debian Apache has "module enable" and "site enable" thing which is quite different from vanilla Apache, but very convinient once you get it. |
| 07:32.42 | beata | Hmm.. also have an odd issue with gaim: It tells me I'm banned from this channel.. I'm wondering if that's due to proxying the connection through tor. |
| 07:32.46 | glick | hey whats a better blogger wordpress or bblog? |
| 07:32.49 | floppyears | sanxiyn: thanks, I will look into that file |
| 07:32.58 | JeffH | wish there weren't a million people in #qmail that are all asleep.. ugg.. what's the point of being on IRC if you're not going to talk in a channel? |
| 07:33.02 | caphuso | beata: yes |
| 07:33.03 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: Nicely put. :) |
| 07:33.05 | johnp | peterS, the new users do tend to help each other when you have enough of them |
| 07:33.17 | sanxiyn | floppyears: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/101 |
| 07:33.25 | sanxiyn | (Some good starting point) |
| 07:33.34 | beata | caphuso: you wouldn't happen to know why it's doing that? |
| 07:33.36 | Guerin | floppyears: /usr/share/doc/apache2/* |
| 07:33.39 | johnp | just check out the Fedora channel for some evidence of that |
| 07:33.49 | peterS | johnp: some do, some don't. it's pretty easy to get a situation where the ones who don't greatly outnumber the ones who do, and the ones who do know so little that their "help" isn't useful anyway |
| 07:33.56 | caphuso | beata: what "it" is doing what? |
| 07:33.58 | sanxiyn | JeffH: The very point of being on IRC is to idle! |
| 07:34.16 | Guerin | johnp: yeah, because the fedora channel is a GREAT example of good irc help |
| 07:34.16 | peterS | johnp: the situation is known as the blind leading the blind, and it's pretty common in some project support forums |
| 07:34.23 | beata | The bit with being banned from the channel when I proxy through tor? |
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| 07:34.32 | johnp | peterS, indeed - but the more users you have, the more chances you'll have more helpful users to ease the burden |
| 07:34.47 | caphuso | beata: uhm, it's because tor users are banned in this channel |
| 07:34.50 | peterS | johnp: ...and the greater the burden to be eased is. the question is whether it's a net win. |
| 07:34.55 | floppyears | sanxiyn: thanks, that's a nice website |
| 07:35.02 | beata | How come? |
| 07:35.06 | floppyears | Guerin: I will look in that dir |
| 07:35.06 | galois | caphuso: surely that part of the network card setup should be very simple and basically contain "iface eth0 inet dhcp"? |
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| 07:35.11 | caphuso | beata: because |
| 07:35.17 | johnp | peterS, when that's true. but how will you know if you don't find out first hand |
| 07:35.23 | caphuso | galois: yes, and a "auto eth0" line |
| 07:35.28 | peterS | johnp: by watching projects that *do* cater to new users |
| 07:35.47 | galois | caphuso: the problem in my eyes is that there is not a dhcp client running at the point ifup runs |
| 07:35.56 | johnp | peterS, it all comes down to opinions - cause each person's tends to be the one that matters |
| 07:36.01 | peterS | galois: ifup starts a dhcp client. or it's supposed to |
| 07:36.09 | beata | Hmm? |
| 07:36.21 | Guerin | johnp: watch the logs in here, in #ubuntu, #gentoo, #fedora, ##linux and other help channels, and you'll note that there's a core of very advanced users who do the bulk of the helping. |
| 07:36.27 | johnp | peterS, ah, but just how closely do you watch them |
| 07:36.35 | peterS | johnp: me? I don't. I don't have the time |
| 07:36.47 | caphuso | beata: hell, it's really simple. we don't want random tor users in here |
| 07:36.49 | peterS | Guerin: ...such as yourself (: |
| 07:36.56 | Guerin | peterS: and yourself. |
| 07:37.05 | galois | peterS: ah, in which case I think it may be trying to start a different one. If pump is started manually ifup works fine. Ifup doesn't start pump or any other dhcp client |
| 07:37.08 | peterS | Guerin: (: I don't do nearly as much of the helping as I used to |
| 07:37.18 | johnp | peterS, ultimately - if we want Linux to be *used* and recognised by more ppl we need advocacy and training - without them it's a lost cause |
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| 07:37.26 | beata | Hmm. Bear with me, please. How is that different than regular random users? |
| 07:37.44 | peterS | johnp: that's the assumption scarynetworkguy violates. he doesn't want linux to be used and recognised by more ppl, particularly |
| 07:37.44 | caphuso | beata: it makes it impossible to ban someone |
| 07:38.14 | caphuso | tor is crap anyway. why waste your time with it? |
| 07:38.17 | beata | Oh. Hrm. I don't even know how the banning thing works.. |
| 07:38.20 | johnp | guerin, that's my point - i'm on your side on that - having new users helps |
| 07:38.21 | peterS | beata: tor makes it easy to evade bans. thus it makes it easy to troll or otherwise disrupt a channel and there's a limited amount the ops can do about it |
| 07:38.34 | Guerin | johnp: how is that my point? |
| 07:38.45 | beata | Makes sense though. |
| 07:38.57 | caphuso | "oh, it's secure, we promise. you can trust the people running tor servers, they won't sniff your traffic" |
| 07:39.12 | scarynetworkguy | caphuso: Yeah. t |
| 07:39.14 | johnp | guerin, that base grows though |
| 07:39.16 | beata | Who said you can trust them? |
| 07:39.31 | caphuso | beata: the tor developers |
| 07:39.37 | peterS | beata: the whole *point* of tor is to make it impossible to trace your connection to identify you specifically. this property makes it really hard to ban you specifically without banning other tor users |
| 07:39.43 | beata | Oh. I hadn't heard. |
| 07:39.46 | johnp | guerin, and you'll find that a lot of new users help out in-person in society |
| 07:39.51 | Subvertir | man #debian never sleeps |
| 07:39.52 | scarynetworkguy | hat and the fact that they don't even know the words "traffic analysis. |
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| 07:40.01 | Guerin | johnp: does it? I'd be inclined to think that the people who are liable to become 'advanced users' would do so of their own accord |
| 07:40.04 | johnp | guerin, doen't have to be on-line |
| 07:40.08 | Subvertir | I've managed to turn a couple of the smarter guys at my job on to Debian |
| 07:40.16 | Subvertir | and had nothing but positive reports about sarge |
| 07:40.21 | peterS | Subvertir: it has its high and low times. I've clocked it for 15 minutes or so, around 0600 UTC on weekends, completely idle |
| 07:40.33 | Subvertir | wow |
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| 07:41.00 | peterS | Subvertir: well, it's been a year or more since I've seen that long of idle in #debian. not that I pay attention all the time. but it's happened |
| 07:41.01 | beata | Hrmm.. Re:tor, would it work to identify with the irc server? |
| 07:41.07 | johnp | guerin, yes because they are helped enough to them go and help themselves |
| 07:41.27 | peterS | beata: channel banning doesn't work with nickserv in the way you want |
| 07:41.46 | Subvertir | has there been any discussion on the debian development lists about doing a faster release cycle on x86 (as opposed to releasing for all arches simultaneously) / |
| 07:41.48 | beata | Hmm. Drat. |
| 07:41.50 | peterS | beata: although, usercloaks do. ask for a usercloak and your tor ban will be lifted |
| 07:41.56 | johnp | guerin, you don't really need to be an advanced user to help someone though - all you need is experience in the area in question |
| 07:41.57 | Guerin | johnp: no, that's my point: most people of that capability don't NEED much help to become advanced; or at least not much they can't get from 1) documentation 2 experimentation and 3) observation |
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| 07:42.06 | Guerin | johnp: which is almost the same thing. |
| 07:42.11 | Rizzer | Subvertir: do you know about the Vancouver proposal? |
| 07:42.11 | peterS | beata: usercloaks replace your hostmask with 'beata.user' or similar, which won't be affected by the tor ban |
| 07:42.21 | peterS | beata: this replacement happens when you identify with nickserv |
| 07:42.23 | Subvertir | Rizzer, No, I'm not familiar with it |
| 07:42.25 | Subvertir | *googles* |
| 07:42.31 | beata | I'm probably not on irc enough. But I could check it out. |
| 07:42.51 | Rizzer | Subvertir: there's talk of splitting the architectures into "first" and "second class citizens" |
| 07:43.10 | Subvertir | Rizzer, I think it's a sensible approach - not perfect, but certainly better than what we've got now |
| 07:43.12 | Guerin | Subvertir: wiki.debian.net/ReleaseProposals |
| 07:43.14 | peterS | beata: as far as irc goes, a usercloak is more or less equivalent to tor anyway. nobody but the irc admins will know where you're really from, so long as you identify yourself before joining channels |
| 07:43.15 | Rizzer | the arches that keep up with packages etc are "first class" |
| 07:43.19 | johnp | guerin, yes there will always be users that want to be hand-held through everything that seems foreign to them. but there are many who don't and can teach themselves |
| 07:43.32 | martinja | I have 2 problems, the most important is that I can not find what I should edit or install to have my Audigy 2 ZS Plat working ;/ |
| 07:43.41 | Guerin | johnp: right. those last are the ones who will go on to contribute. |
| 07:43.45 | beata | Anyhows, was trying to figure out how to change some ripper settings in the newest jack.. |
| 07:43.53 | johnp | guerin, if you don't help the users that can teach themselves then you do a disservice to the community |
| 07:44.08 | johnp | guerin, indeed |
| 07:44.20 | martinja | And the other problem is in Fstab, this line doesnt give the users ability to selfmount the ntfs drive ......../dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs ro, defaults,user,GID=1000,umask=0222 0 0 |
| 07:44.25 | Subvertir | martinja, The audigy 2 is still an emu10k1 chip, isn't it? |
| 07:44.25 | peterS | johnp: you don't *need* to help the users that can teach themselves. they know how to ask intelligent questions and get help even if you're relatively hostile |
| 07:44.26 | johnp | brb |
| 07:44.38 | Guerin | johnp: but that's explicitly WHAT we do. #debian REALLY DOES help those who help themselves, and 99/100 idiots who complain about the service here haven't been prepared to do their own work. |
| 07:44.40 | martinja | I will check that subvertir |
| 07:44.41 | galois | Guerin: it is still help (much appreciated in my case) to point people in the right direction on man pages, etc |
| 07:44.58 | johnp | peterS, oh, but you need to help them so they can find out how to get the information they are after |
| 07:45.03 | peterS | Subvertir: I'm thinking the audigy 2 isn't. the audigy is. the audigy2 is some variant that needs a different, or at least fairly new, driver |
| 07:45.04 | Subvertir | martinja, if so, it's the same procedure as installing an sb live 5.1 and I can help you with it |
| 07:45.14 | Guerin | galois: you can always count on me to show you to the manpage... |
| 07:45.15 | Subvertir | I'm completely unwilling to spend more than $15 on a soundcard though =) |
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| 07:45.30 | galois | Guerin: when I get stuck I know that it is a imple problem that can be fixed by reading, but do not know where to look |
| 07:45.35 | Guerin | Subvertir: you don't have a good stereo system, do you? |
| 07:45.43 | martinja | ilil check creative,com |
| 07:45.50 | Guerin | galois: THAT is a really good time to ask. |
| 07:45.58 | johnp | guerin, ignoring stupid questions is within every intermediate-advanced users rights |
| 07:45.59 | galois | Guerin: having someone experienced say "man blah" is really useful |
| 07:46.04 | Subvertir | Guerin, it's decent, a 6"x9" long throw sub and a couple of shelf speakers |
| 07:46.14 | peterS | johnp: I got where I am today without any particular debian help. I installed bo (debian 1.2) based on what I knew of other unixes, and only asked specific questions on lists when I was curious about stuff, but not the sort of "oh I'm stuck now, I'd better quit trying to use debian" kinds of issues |
| 07:46.19 | peterS | johnp: so it can be done |
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| 07:46.37 | Guerin | johnp: except that if it's left to inexperienced users, the answers given are usually incorrect, incomplete, misleading or all of the above. |
| 07:46.54 | Guerin | Subvertir: then you owe yourself a decent soundcard |
| 07:47.00 | Subvertir | The free software world is just sorely lacking in good doc writers |
| 07:47.01 | caphuso | *cough* linuxquestions.org |
| 07:47.04 | Subvertir | that's the root of the problem |
| 07:47.07 | galois | peterS: I woudl say that you were already ahead of the game as you had experience of other unixes |
| 07:47.14 | Guerin | Subvertir: what? |
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| 07:47.22 | peterS | galois: that's a point |
| 07:47.58 | johnp | peterS, you've got to remember - without new users tho you wont get more of the users that will eventually contribute |
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| 07:48.11 | sanxiyn | Subvertir: Indeed, some projects are poorly documented. |
| 07:48.15 | martinja | subvertir : it seems to the case |
| 07:48.21 | EmleyMoor | What's the best place to go for help with an OpenOffice problem? Mine seems to have incorrect paths that throw a few errors. |
| 07:48.25 | Subvertir | I'd say the vast majority of them are poorly documented |
| 07:48.28 | peterS | johnp: the question is whether the kinds of new users that require a graphical installer or whatever are ever going to produce any significant contributors |
| 07:48.40 | Subvertir | There are very few projects with docs that are good AND up to date |
| 07:48.44 | johnp | peterS, making things easier to use attracts the 'good' users as well as the 'bad' - that's a fact |
| 07:48.47 | sanxiyn | Subvertir: Have a look at Python docs :-) |
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| 07:48.51 | simonrvn | or mistake gdm for a bootloader... |
| 07:48.54 | sanxiyn | http://docs.python.org/ |
| 07:48.55 | galois | peterS: I woudl say yes |
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| 07:48.57 | peterS | johnp: no, that's a conjecture |
| 07:49.03 | Subvertir | sanxiyn, yeah, python, freebsd, the majority of the debian tools, they all have great documentation |
| 07:49.17 | Rizzer | EmleyMoor: grab the OOo 2 preleases (the rpms), convert them to debs using alien, and don't look back :) |
| 07:49.17 | Subvertir | but for every example of great docs there are at least 10 counterexamples |
| 07:49.18 | johnp | well, i'm here - i'm a intermediate FC users and i think the installer is a *great* thing |
| 07:49.25 | sanxiyn | Subvertir: Like, Linux kernel. :( |
| 07:49.29 | galois | peterS: with a graphical installer you are reducing the barrier to entry, not the level o ongoing knowledge needed |
| 07:49.53 | EmleyMoor | Rizzer: I am quite happy with 1.1, thank you. |
| 07:49.57 | peterS | galois: debian has had no trouble attracting plenty of talent long before debian-installer |
| 07:50.02 | martinja | It seems to be using emuk102 |
| 07:50.05 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: using the debian packages? |
| 07:50.07 | JeffH | If you use spamassassin for your e-mail server can you tell me what e-mail server software you use? |
| 07:50.10 | EmleyMoor | Guerin: Yes |
| 07:50.17 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: then check the BTS |
| 07:50.22 | rixth | Whats a site for good fonts? |
| 07:50.23 | Subvertir | Martinja, post a copy of 'lsmod' output to pastebin.org or something (not in channel) |
| 07:50.30 | Guerin | JeffH: which email software? |
| 07:50.32 | peterS | galois: the kinds of users who contribute a lot were already using debian long ago, by big margins. it's been the thinking man's distribution for a long time |
| 07:50.34 | sanxiyn | peterS: And even with terror-inducing NM process... |
| 07:50.36 | galois | peterS: agreed, I am just syaing that you are less likely to put people off due to the high(ish) barrier to entry |
| 07:50.37 | Subvertir | martinja, you've probably got the OSS and Alsa drivers loaded at the same time |
| 07:50.41 | Guerin | JeffH: clients? servers? huh? |
| 07:50.42 | johnp | galois, that's true - but it helps for intermediate users as well as new users |
| 07:50.50 | JeffH | Guerin: sorry, server |
| 07:50.53 | galois | peterS: havign said that I found the debian installer (old) very easy to use |
| 07:51.03 | johnp | :) |
| 07:51.06 | Guerin | JeffH: I use spamassassin and postfix |
| 07:51.08 | galois | petr |
| 07:51.16 | JeffH | guerin: was it easy to setup? |
| 07:51.23 | martinja | Subvertir : a sec |
| 07:51.31 | galois | peterS: how about teh younger generation, there are new users being born every second |
| 07:51.36 | Guerin | JeffH: I used a good howto: http://high5.net/howto |
| 07:51.40 | JeffH | qmail and spamassassin is being a PITA.. |
| 07:51.49 | peterS | sanxiyn: the terror-inducing NM process is probably not a bad thing either. maintainers aren't zero-cost, stuff has to scale to work for 1000 debian developers. if debian only attracts people serious about the process, that's not such a bad thing |
| 07:51.52 | Guerin | JeffH: also see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 07:52.02 | Subvertir | yeah, my little cousins practically grovelled until I gave them copies of sarge |
| 07:52.06 | EmleyMoor | Guerin: I believe it's a breakage at my end |
| 07:52.08 | peterS | wow, how did that line go to sanxiyn? |
| 07:52.17 | johnp | galois, indeed |
| 07:52.17 | Guerin | !postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 07:52.18 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 07:52.19 | Weedy | excuse me |
| 07:52.22 | Subvertir | fluxbox blew their minds =D |
| 07:52.26 | Weedy | whats can i do about |
| 07:52.30 | Weedy | Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
| 07:52.33 | Weedy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.43 | simonrvn | ENOCONTEXT |
| 07:52.43 | martinja | http://pastebin.ca/14014 |
| 07:52.48 | peterS | galois: we were all young once. many existing debian contributors are young still |
| 07:52.48 | Guerin | !sigsegv |
| 07:52.49 | dpkg | i heard sigsegv is Segmentation Fault (segfault), analogous to the Blue Screen of Death on a Windows(TM) box, except the death of the offending program doesn't bring the whole system to a halt. It's caused by the program trying to use memory that doesn't exist or it's not allowed to access. Get a newer version of whatever did it. |
| 07:52.55 | EmleyMoor | Problem manifests when I try to save a spreadsheet |
| 07:52.58 | Subvertir | my uncle had to put the nix on *nix cuz he could no longer use his computer though, lmao |
| 07:53.07 | martinja | Subvertir : http://pastebin.ca/14014 |
| 07:53.20 | Weedy | ok |
| 07:53.24 | Guerin | I've been using unix in general for less than two years, and debian in partucular for less than 18 months |
| 07:53.30 | beata | Segv happens when you link both glib1.2 and glib2.0 into the same image. |
| 07:53.31 | Weedy | but what is apt-get is doing it |
| 07:53.39 | Weedy | how do i get a new ver? |
| 07:53.41 | sanxiyn | EmleyMoor: Which program segfaulted? |
| 07:53.45 | Guerin | it's not rocket science; it just requires application |
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| 07:54.30 | EmleyMoor | EmleyMoor: No segfault. There is a problem with a script path - it seems to have had /auto prepended to it |
| 07:54.36 | peterS | galois: one of the more active debian developers is a guy named joshua kwan. he became a debian developer at 15 or so - he's about 17 now. I don't buy that young users have a hard time getting into (using or developing) debian |
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| 07:54.57 | johnp | scarynetworkguy's opinion that we should ignore new users requests and usability would relegate Debian to the dustbin for me |
| 07:55.05 | Guerin | peterS: he's probably already in his 4th year of compsci, though... |
| 07:55.09 | Subvertir | martinja, Okay, according to what I can find, emu10k1 should support that card - what happens when you try to play music? |
| 07:55.11 | peterS | Guerin: well, possibly |
| 07:55.11 | Weedy | sanxiyn apt-get segfaulted |
| 07:55.13 | sanxiyn | peterS: What? joshk is 17?! |
| 07:55.17 | johnp | it wouldn't really be a community project in my view |
| 07:55.24 | peterS | sanxiyn: yes, give or take a year |
| 07:55.39 | johnp | sort -of anyways |
| 07:55.43 | beata | Is /vmlinux considered to be 'music'? ;) |
| 07:55.58 | afrosheen | sanxiyn: is your nick the way Dubya spells sanction? |
| 07:56.08 | sanxiyn | afrosheen: Not related. |
| 07:56.12 | Guerin | johnp: he doesn't say we should *ignore* them - just that we shouldn't cater to them at the expense of advanced users |
| 07:56.13 | Subvertir | age is pretty irrelevant on the internet |
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| 07:56.19 | Guerin | Subvertir: bullshit. |
| 07:56.19 | Subvertir | it's pretty cool |
| 07:56.20 | peterS | sanxiyn: joshk educates me about music from the 60s and 70s. that's the weird part |
| 07:56.24 | simonrvn | s/on the internet// |
| 07:56.38 | afrosheen | peterS: no relation to jeffk right |
| 07:56.44 | johnp | guerin, well - what would that mean to him exactly? |
| 07:56.45 | peterS | afrosheen: I don't know who jeffk is |
| 07:56.54 | Guerin | johnp: he explained it. |
| 07:57.06 | afrosheen | hilarious fictitious character that writes on somethingawful.com |
| 07:57.16 | Guerin | johnp: apart from anything, I can't speak for him. |
| 07:57.21 | galois | peterS: not quite what I was saying. If you look at the past then then installing any operating system was a pain. Debian was actaully fairly pain free in comparison (it at least installed to command line and you fixed X) |
| 07:57.29 | afrosheen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JeffK |
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| 07:57.39 | johnp | guerin, but just because he doen't want new users doesn't mean that all advanced users feel that way |
| 07:57.44 | peterS | galois: that's also true |
| 07:57.48 | galois | peterS: now when you look at the competition it has moved on |
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| 07:57.53 | Guerin | johnp: of course. |
| 07:57.53 | johnp | guerin, yes - i know |
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| 07:58.21 | galois | peterS: debian should move on as well so it is not seen as static. It should also move on because there is no merit in standing still |
| 07:58.26 | EmleyMoor | I think I may have found the poor references |
| 07:58.28 | martinja | subvertir with CD player, it plays but with no sound |
| 07:58.40 | Rizzer | you ask scarynetworkguy in what way Debian has become superior for advanced users, and he replies that if you don't already know he's not going to explain it to you. Really helpful. |
| 07:58.41 | Subvertir | martinja, is the volume turned up? =) |
| 07:58.43 | johnp | guerin, anyways - new users are a good thing. let's just hope that holds true for debian ;) |
| 07:58.49 | peterS | galois: it should continue to do well at what it currently does well at. if that means standing still, there is no shame in it |
| 07:58.52 | Rizzer | s/superior/inferior/ |
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| 07:59.07 | galois | peterS: coming back to users, if teh installer stays as it was, the mindshare of new users may start to slacken. Which means fewer "good users" |
| 07:59.18 | n3x | if it stands still people can have a play and get it the best as possible for the next release |
| 07:59.24 | Guerin | johnp: you appear to have ignored the many arguments as to why new users are not obviously and clearly a good thing - it's complex. |
| 07:59.27 | martinja | Subvertir : bien sure |
| 07:59.41 | Guerin | johnp: but hell, if that's the delusion you want to take, godspeed. |
| 08:00.01 | galois | peterS: I am speaking from ignorance of the new installer but I imagine it gives as much freedom and choice so shouldn't be a retrograde step |
| 08:00.07 | peterS | galois: some users don't care about gee-whiz installers. amazingly enough, that same class of users tends to be quite clueful and some contribute quite a lot to the projects they use |
| 08:00.10 | EmleyMoor | Fixed - just had to find the scripts and edit them |
| 08:00.14 | afrosheen | Guerin: don't worry, the 8 million livecd's out there will keep debian accessible, even if the crappy looking installer doesn't |
| 08:00.22 | johnp | guerin, no - i know it's complex - but without new users (and helpng those on the road to self-help) then who's going to continue building and supporting debian? |
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| 08:00.36 | martinja | The new Debian installer is great |
| 08:00.36 | n3x | the pixies |
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| 08:00.45 | Guerin | galois: you ignore the argument that 'good users' don't tend to need the crutch of niceness and fluffiness, and would prefer stability, reliability, robustness, sanity, etc. |
| 08:00.46 | simonrvn | the fartfish dogs |
| 08:00.54 | galois | peterS: agreed. Ther are also users who want to give something a quick try over a weekend who then get hooked and become clued up, contributors |
| 08:00.55 | Guerin | !pixiessmite n3x |
| 08:00.59 | sanxiyn | Or even challenges. |
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| 08:01.14 | Subvertir | Why must niceness and fluffiness be exclusive to all those other things? |
| 08:01.18 | peterS | galois: one thing I agree with scary on: it is *not* axiomatic that "more users" is exactly equivalent to "more people to contribute to your project". sometimes the burden the new users add outweighs the contributions they add. this is more true for some kinds of userbases than others. |
| 08:01.24 | johnp | guerin, still, existing users - advanced users from other distros can always be attrated to debian too |
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| 08:01.40 | afrosheen | peters: are you referring to the windows user base ;) |
| 08:01.44 | martinja | subvertir : this is odd, the sound level is at 0 and it wont want to go up |
| 08:01.44 | Guerin | johnp: sure. Generally, in my experience, because something in their old distro pissed them off |
| 08:01.55 | Guerin | johnp: ref: red hat -> fedora |
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| 08:02.03 | Subvertir | martinja, what mixer are you using? |
| 08:02.03 | martinja | subvertir : sorry, it wont go up |
| 08:02.03 | Guerin | suse -> novell |
| 08:02.05 | sanxiyn | For "new user" and "contributor" thing, http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/08/16/specs may be relevant. |
| 08:02.06 | Guerin | etc. |
| 08:02.07 | peterS | afrosheen: yes. if you aim to attract windows users, you'll get a much lower rate of return on contributions to your project than if you aim to attract unix veterans |
| 08:02.08 | rixth | How do I symlink a directory? |
| 08:02.18 | Subvertir | martinja, I'd probably use ALSA instead of OSS for that card |
| 08:02.18 | Guerin | rixth: man ln |
| 08:02.21 | caphuso | rixth: nothing special |
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| 08:02.24 | galois | peterS: no agreed. I would say that there were a fixed number of people out there (or near enough). I would think that what is needed is to increase or at least not decrease debian's share of them |
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| 08:02.28 | johnp | guerin, well - they can always make their own distros if they want |
| 08:02.29 | afrosheen | peters: however, unix veterans are literally a dying breed. |
| 08:02.41 | martinja | Subvertir : as a mixer you mean player? VLC: It isnt that parameter that refuses. It is the debian sound volume controll |
| 08:02.45 | peterS | afrosheen: I feel very much alive (: |
| 08:02.53 | Guerin | johnp: no... that's the point... making your own distro is non-trivial, and it can't be done properly by one person. |
| 08:03.03 | martinja | Subvertir : So how should I get rid of OSS? |
| 08:03.03 | Rizzer | it's not entirely clear to me why clueless new users is a bad thing. I mean, you can just ignore them. You're not forced to help them. |
| 08:03.07 | johnp | guerin, i'm still a fedora user - i'm just dipping my toes into the debian water again |
| 08:03.12 | sanxiyn | "The second faction of morons work from examples, ship code, and get yelled at. But when they get around to reading the spec, they magically turn into advocates and write up tutorials on what they learned from their mistakes. These people are called experts. Virtually every useful tutorial in the world was written by a moron-turned-expert." -- Mark Pilgrim |
| 08:03.21 | afrosheen | ack my eyes |
| 08:03.31 | Guerin | sanxiyn: so very true. |
| 08:03.39 | Subvertir | martinja, you add the 'emu10k1' module to yuor blacklist in /etc/hotplug or something like that, then you configure ALSA (which I don't remember how to do) |
| 08:03.47 | peterS | Rizzer: those who *do* choose to help users find their resources spread much thinner. this makes it harder to support the users who *are* likely to make something of themselves, free-software-wise |
| 08:04.00 | rixth | caphuso, say I want to symlink /etc/bootsplash/bluedebian to /etc/bootsplash/current how would I do it? I can't seem to get it to work. |
| 08:04.04 | johnp | guerin, a lot of the pain of installing debian went away with the new installer - which equals more time exploring the distro |
| 08:04.14 | simonrvn | there's that linux-sound thing now, or whatever it's fucking called. asks you what you want to use, oss or alsa |
| 08:04.15 | galois | peterS: although some of those new users will in turn help others |
| 08:04.20 | afrosheen | peters: how do you gauge the relative usefulness of a user base? number of dedicated websites? man page revisions? bug reports? |
| 08:04.26 | sanxiyn | rixth: cd /etc/bootsplash; ln -s bluedebian current |
| 08:04.51 | rixth | sanxiyn, I'm sure I tried that! Oh well, thanks :) |
| 08:04.53 | simonrvn | such narrow focus... |
| 08:04.54 | martinja | Subvertir : the volume controll in debian has no audio channel to controll...ok ill add it now to the blacklist |
| 08:04.56 | Rizzer | peterS: still that's their choice to helpful. The "elite" who do not wish to help, do not need to. |
| 08:04.59 | Guerin | johnp: the point is that if you were the sort of users who'd end up contributing to debian, the old installer wouldn't have scared you off. |
| 08:05.01 | rixth | Time to try out my nre bootsplash :) |
| 08:05.06 | peterS | afrosheen: it's hard. the goal is to approximate how much of the work you no longer have to do because ___ is doing it instead, and how much work you *do* have to do because ____ requires it of you |
| 08:05.08 | caphuso | rixth: man ln |
| 08:05.08 | Guerin | johnp: this is not a dig at you personally; it's an example. |
| 08:05.12 | johnp | guerin, anyways i think i'm just gonna read for a bit - sick of typing atm ;-) |
| 08:05.21 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Well, I disagree to that. |
| 08:05.22 | johnp | guerin, i understand |
| 08:05.31 | Guerin | sanxiyn: why? |
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| 08:05.55 | sanxiyn | I do think there are some people out there who will contribute Debian, but won't have tried Debian with Woody installer. Just my opinion. |
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| 08:06.12 | kyu | How can i get debian to make my /etc/fonts directory again? |
| 08:06.16 | Guerin | hell if *I* managed to install woody on my old pcmcia-nic laptop with virtually no clue about what unix was, then I'm pretty sure anyone could manage it if they put their mind to the task. |
| 08:06.24 | johnp | lol |
| 08:06.26 | martinja | subvertir : I should add emu10k1 anywhere in /etc/hotplug/blacklist ? |
| 08:06.32 | afrosheen | sanxiyn: I agree with that, if a new user finds something to be inaccessible from the beginning, won't that create fear? |
| 08:06.36 | kyu | When i hit dpkg-reconfigure -plow fontconfig it just complains that there's not config files there and does nothing about it |
| 08:06.36 | kyu | heh |
| 08:06.40 | Silicon | heh anyone having problems with their system freezing on initializing USB for the 2.6.8 k7 kernel? |
| 08:06.42 | Guerin | sanxiyn: I'm sure there are SOME - i'm talking about probability and tendency. |
| 08:06.53 | caphuso | kyu: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 08:06.58 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Sure, but it's about choosing the alternative. They could certainly install Debian on their own, but they will probably choose some other things to contribute? |
| 08:07.04 | kyu | thanks |
| 08:07.08 | afrosheen | Silicon: some chipsets will do that, acpi=off or noapic nolapic at boot time may help |
| 08:07.10 | renegad3 | afrosheen, no! I had so much trouble at first... as time went by it made my understanding stronger |
| 08:07.11 | johnp | we all have pain barriers for usability though. some more generious than others ;-) |
| 08:07.15 | simonrvn | i installed debian with woody's, in the exact same boat as Guerin - coming from mock os (no, not 10.x) |
| 08:07.17 | Silicon | thanks i will try it |
| 08:07.20 | renegad3 | its a matter of will power ;) |
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| 08:07.31 | johnp | yep |
| 08:07.34 | martinja | Guys : It is funny when you guys talk so loudly about newbies like me as if we werent in the same channel :P |
| 08:07.35 | johnp | that too |
| 08:07.37 | simonrvn | no potato, my bad |
| 08:07.42 | johnp | rofl |
| 08:07.42 | sanxiyn | (I did install with Woody CD on Laptop too ;; ) |
| 08:07.46 | afrosheen | martinja: feel free to contribute ;) |
| 08:07.53 | simonrvn | potato onto a 7500 |
| 08:08.17 | johnp | no offense ppl, a few advanced users don't seem to like us new people ;-) |
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| 08:08.23 | Guerin | sanxiyn: which demonstrates differing values - they'd rather use a distro with a shiny installer than a smooth backend, that's fine. Now, of course, they get both - which (unlike scarynetworkguy) i do take as a net positive. |
| 08:08.35 | simonrvn | with 52 MB ram, and a 1 gb drive =) |
| 08:08.44 | johnp | take that anyways you like (including that bad bit of grammer :) |
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| 08:08.50 | simonrvn | grammar |
| 08:08.51 | Guerin | johnp: i love new users who are not resigned to being new users for anything more than the next week or so. |
| 08:08.55 | johnp | lol |
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| 08:09.01 | Weedy | ok i dled a new version |
| 08:09.08 | Weedy | what do i do with the .deb file? |
| 08:09.15 | johnp | guerin, agreed |
| 08:09.17 | Guerin | Weedy: dpkg -i? |
| 08:09.18 | afrosheen | dpkg -i new.deb |
| 08:09.22 | simonrvn | man dpkg. -i option |
| 08:09.26 | afrosheen | yay! |
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| 08:09.33 | rafy | hi |
| 08:09.35 | johnp | guerin, but i am new to debian |
| 08:09.36 | martinja | subvertir : I wrote emu10k1 to the blacklist and now to alsa. Any good info about it? |
| 08:09.39 | martinja | ?? ALSA |
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| 08:09.57 | afrosheen | dpkg -i amulet_of_resurrection |
| 08:09.59 | afrosheen | bah |
| 08:10.06 | rafy | whats up with the non-free packages? |
| 08:10.10 | rafy | (amd64) |
| 08:10.18 | rafy | Are they gone forever or is it just a temp bug? |
| 08:10.22 | afrosheen | rafy: they cost money, please deposit $5 to continue |
| 08:10.26 | simonrvn | you mean non-us? |
| 08:10.34 | windowmaker | hey, i tried to install kernel 2.6.11.11, and when i boot, it says: |
| 08:10.35 | rafy | i mean non-free |
| 08:10.39 | kyu | Okkkaaaay, so --force-confmiss just complains aobut there not being a fontconfig default config file also |
| 08:10.45 | kyu | Wierd epic |
| 08:10.50 | kyu | gone a bit squiff |
| 08:10.51 | Weedy | ok |
| 08:10.51 | kyu | :) |
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| 08:10.58 | windowmaker | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(0,0) |
| 08:11.01 | Weedy | i cant access my floppy drive |
| 08:11.06 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 08:11.06 | johnp | it's amazing how quite the fedora channel is compared to #debian - i would have thought it to be the other way around |
| 08:11.07 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 08:11.11 | Weedy | do i have to mount it? |
| 08:11.17 | rafy | I now amd64 is not offical but I need the non-free packages |
| 08:11.30 | rafy | s/now/know |
| 08:11.42 | Guerin | rafy: #debian-amd64 |
| 08:11.44 | streuner_ | !tell rafy about amd64 |
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| 08:12.01 | elz | shit |
| 08:12.05 | elz | there is alot of ppl at #debian |
| 08:12.07 | galois | so non-us has died completely? |
| 08:12.10 | sanxiyn | rafy: amd64.debian.net repository does have non-free section. |
| 08:12.16 | Triffid_Hunter | i build in everything that isn't hot swappable and will be there on boot, and modulize everything else |
| 08:12.17 | sanxiyn | I think non-us is dead? |
| 08:12.26 | johnp | galois, yes - i believe so |
| 08:12.27 | Guerin | it is |
| 08:12.36 | afrosheen | rafy: I get amd64 packages for kubuntu from debian sources, so it should work sometime |
| 08:12.38 | simonrvn | crypto-in-main -> non-us |
| 08:12.42 | streuner_ | galois: Which bit of /topic dont you unterstand? |
| 08:12.56 | johnp | lol |
| 08:12.59 | galois | streuner_: the circular bit on dpkgs answers |
| 08:13.18 | rafy | or just add a Ubuntu mirror for non-free in the sources.list |
| 08:13.22 | kyu | ngggh. Ok, so i tried using --force-confmiss to re-create my /etc/fonts, but apt complains that "Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file" anyone know what i can do? Thanks :) |
| 08:13.23 | elz | I'm using bitchx w/ 2 channels (debian and debianppc) at once |
| 08:13.25 | elz | how do I switch channels |
| 08:13.42 | simonrvn | /join #bitchx |
| 08:13.43 | afrosheen | rafy: there ya go |
| 08:13.55 | elz | simon ok thanks :) |
| 08:13.55 | renegad3 | elz, I think you use " ALT+1" |
| 08:14.03 | renegad3 | elz, so on and so forth ;) |
| 08:14.14 | afrosheen | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 08:14.15 | kyu | renegad3, providing he has them in diff windows :/ |
| 08:14.17 | elz | alt+1 = Window 1 is not hidden! |
| 08:14.17 | sanxiyn | kyu: Try reinstall fontconfig. |
| 08:14.18 | afrosheen | that will do the trick |
| 08:14.38 | elz | alt+2 = SWAP: No such window: 2 |
| 08:14.39 | kyu | sanxiyn, i was using "apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install fontconfig" |
| 08:14.46 | sanxiyn | Hm. |
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| 08:14.59 | rafy | hmm, or perhaps I should completly remove Debian and install Ubuntu |
| 08:15.01 | Vyrus001 | how do i log all packets sent to a device over my usb connection ? |
| 08:15.06 | Rizzer | kyu: apt-get install --reinstall fontcinfig |
| 08:15.11 | sanxiyn | You don't have /etc/fonts/fonts.conf now? |
| 08:15.18 | afrosheen | rafy: I have the amd64 version of kubuntu installed, it's pretty damn nice |
| 08:15.37 | elz | nobody on #bitchx |
| 08:15.40 | Rizzer | kyu: maybe purge beforehand? |
| 08:15.41 | kyu | Rizzer, well i tried that, won't make my /etc/fonts directory :/ |
| 08:15.51 | Subvertir | afrosheen, yeah I run kubuntu on my laptop |
| 08:15.51 | kyu | Hangon, i didn't think of that |
| 08:15.52 | kyu | :) |
| 08:15.53 | Subvertir | love it |
| 08:16.20 | streuner_ | afrosheen: are you care that we are actually in #debian? |
| 08:16.26 | galois | elz: not sure on bitchx but irssi is poopular as well (irssi-text), alt+1, etc switches windows |
| 08:16.27 | Silicon | afrosheen: hmm doesn't seem to be working, i specify it on the kernel line right? kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro noapic nolapic |
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| 08:16.45 | afrosheen | Silicon: yeah and acpi=off in that same line |
| 08:16.51 | galois | elz: screen may also be a usefull tool if you are working in the command line |
| 08:16.53 | Silicon | k |
| 08:16.57 | afrosheen | streuner: they're brothers, mein freunden |
| 08:17.00 | Silicon | i will try all 3 this time |
| 08:17.10 | streuner_ | afrosheen: bullshit |
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| 08:17.25 | JeffH | How can I determine whether spamassassin is scanning incoming e-mail? |
| 08:17.39 | streuner_ | afrosheen: we got no money from Shuttleworth ;-) |
| 08:17.40 | kyu | hey, it worked, thanks rizzer! :) |
| 08:17.42 | caphuso | JeffH: by looking at the headers? |
| 08:17.42 | Guerin | JeffH: send it gtube |
| 08:17.47 | galois | JeffH: it writes a score in the header |
| 08:17.52 | johnp | jeffh, look at the headers |
| 08:17.54 | Rizzer | kyu: glad to hear :) |
| 08:18.02 | sanxiyn | OT: I was really impressed by Open Documento format. Try it some time. :-) |
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| 08:18.19 | JeffH | that's what I was afraid of.. there's nothing in the headers that indicate that spamassassin looked at it.. |
| 08:18.23 | afrosheen | JeffH: have you seen qmailrocks.org yet |
| 08:18.24 | JeffH | hm.. |
| 08:18.30 | Guerin | goddamn, not qmail |
| 08:18.38 | Guerin | PLEASE don't use qmail |
| 08:18.40 | johnp | lol |
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| 08:18.43 | martinja | Has anyone here configured or have a good documentation for emu10k1 chip for alsa configuration ? (audigy 2 zs) |
| 08:18.49 | martinja | Whats wrong with qmail? |
| 08:18.52 | afrosheen | qmail is good people |
| 08:18.54 | Guerin | !qmail |
| 08:18.54 | dpkg | [qmail] a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
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| 08:19.07 | elz | galois: I can install irssi-text now |
| 08:19.08 | JeffH | afrosheen: yeah.. unfortunately it references a binary that uses a patch that my binary doesn't use. |
| 08:19.11 | martinja | ok |
| 08:19.15 | Guerin | qmail triples the amount of spam |
| 08:19.25 | martinja | hehehehe |
| 08:19.28 | Silicon | afrosheen: no go ;[ it will boot if I disable USB in bios but i'd prefer not to do that |
| 08:19.31 | Subvertir | martinja, still drawing a blank? I think there's an alsaconfig program or some such |
| 08:19.32 | Guerin | really ... I'm serious |
| 08:19.34 | Vyrus001 | exit |
| 08:19.37 | Vyrus001 | exit |
| 08:19.45 | afrosheen | Silicon: ack, I guess the kernel doesn't like your motherboard then |
| 08:19.49 | Rizzer | JeffH: you might be able to check spamassassin is running by looking at "ps aux" |
| 08:19.50 | Silicon | indeed |
| 08:19.53 | Weedy | how do i access my floppy drive? |
| 08:20.02 | afrosheen | Silicon: what chipset is it |
| 08:20.11 | martinja | ah yes |
| 08:20.15 | elz | galois: how can I specify an port? |
| 08:20.16 | Silicon | uhm |
| 08:20.18 | martinja | Subvertir : alsaconf :) |
| 08:20.19 | Rizzer | ps aux | grep spam |
| 08:20.19 | Silicon | iron something |
| 08:20.26 | afrosheen | iron? never heard of it |
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| 08:20.28 | galois | elz: with what? |
| 08:20.32 | afrosheen | iron curtain? |
| 08:20.33 | Guerin | Weedy: mount /mnt/floppy? |
| 08:20.40 | galois | elz: /connect server:port? |
| 08:20.41 | Silicon | irongate |
| 08:20.54 | martinja | Subvertir but it does a quick scan for some snd-stuff and finds nothing |
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| 08:21.04 | Silicon | unless i am reading it wrong somewhere |
| 08:21.07 | JeffH | Rizzer: I've done that.. spamd is running.. but that doesn't mean my e-mail server is sending messages to it. |
| 08:21.07 | sobersabre | hello. |
| 08:21.10 | galois | elz: irssi has a good help system - /help connect |
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| 08:21.31 | sobersabre | suppose i got with memtest86 that after a certain address the memory is fscked up. |
| 08:21.38 | afrosheen | Silicon: irongate isn't a chipset, it sounds like a manufacturer name |
| 08:21.49 | sobersabre | i want OS to be limited to use a limited amount of MBs of the memory. |
| 08:21.54 | Rizzer | JeffH: how are you using it? is exim collecting your mail for you? |
| 08:21.55 | sobersabre | is there a way to do this ? |
| 08:21.57 | elz | galois /server 192.168.0.1 6668 -> mapped to -> irc.debian.org 6667 dont work |
| 08:21.57 | peterS | afrosheen: wait, isn't irongate the AMD 760 chipset |
| 08:22.00 | Guerin | JeffH: it's easy to do if you're using a sane MTA |
| 08:22.07 | afrosheen | 760... |
| 08:22.12 | JeffH | Rizzer: no, I'm using qmail. |
| 08:22.15 | afrosheen | k7, non athlon-xp? |
| 08:22.20 | peterS | afrosheen: yeah |
| 08:22.26 | sobersabre | mem=170M ? |
| 08:22.26 | Weedy | mount /mnt/floppy doesnt work |
| 08:22.28 | Guerin | JeffH: iirc with qmail you need a separate mail handler app to glue qmail and spamassassin together |
| 08:22.28 | afrosheen | I believe you're right, damn, it's been so long |
| 08:22.32 | simonrvn | sobersabre: for example |
| 08:22.34 | peterS | heh. it has. |
| 08:22.35 | afrosheen | sobersabre: yeah |
| 08:22.37 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 08:22.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 08:22.55 | JeffH | Guerin: I'm starting to realize this.. I'm contemplating spending tomorrow installing sarge and installing a different mail server software. |
| 08:23.15 | sobersabre | if the bad area is in the middle ... is there way to specify "valid areas" ? |
| 08:23.34 | Silicon | it says: AGPgart: Detected AMD Irongate chipset |
| 08:23.40 | peterS | sobersabre: no there isn't. there's an old kernel patch out there for this |
| 08:23.42 | galois | elz: did you read teh help command? I don't do that on my system so don't know how to help you |
| 08:23.47 | afrosheen | Jeffh: all I can say is, once I got my box built with qmailrocks, I was done with it..I can add virtual domains, users, etc. at will...you may want to consider it or at least scan the site. |
| 08:23.49 | Subvertir | I've been dreading setting up a mail server |
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| 08:24.08 | JeffH | is there a good debian centric howto on installing postfix/spamassassin/anti-virus scanner |
| 08:24.17 | johnp | subvertir, just do it :) |
| 08:24.20 | Guerin | !postfix howt |
| 08:24.22 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 08:24.22 | dpkg | from memory, postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 08:24.25 | galois | Subvertir: someone has some helpful docs on how to do it |
| 08:24.37 | galois | Subvertir: those in fact :) |
| 08:24.39 | JeffH | atrosheen: I'm not really interested in compiling my own stuff. That's why I run a distro that has a good binary packaging system. |
| 08:24.42 | sobersabre | I've got troubles with K7SOM+ mobo. |
| 08:24.43 | johnp | subvertiv, even www.tldp.org |
| 08:24.45 | martinja | I thinkk I will have to post this problem at some forum |
| 08:24.50 | Guerin | exim is pretty easy too; I just don't know how to do it |
| 08:25.00 | sobersabre | Is there a way to tweak it somehow not to have problems ? |
| 08:25.10 | afrosheen | JeffH: if debian has all the requirements in a repository, then the howto will help you configure what you can apt-get install. |
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| 08:25.25 | afrosheen | sobersabre: how many sticks of ram are in that box |
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| 08:25.49 | sobersabre | afrosheen, i have 1 256 DDR 400 and 1 128 SDRAM |
| 08:25.53 | JeffH | guerin: alright.. I think tomorrow is the first day of postfix for my server.. |
| 08:25.54 | Rizzer | Guerin: I think exim is already configured to use spamassassin if it's installed. |
| 08:26.01 | Weedy | mount: can't find /mnt/floppy in /etc/mtab |
| 08:26.01 | afrosheen | sobersabre: ok, yank one out, done. |
| 08:26.12 | Guerin | Rizzer: oh, really? |
| 08:26.17 | Guerin | that would be sane. |
| 08:26.30 | martinja | subvertir do you recall where I blacklisted the emu10k1 chip? |
| 08:26.41 | Rizzer | Guerin: at least, I don't remember having to do much to switch it on. |
| 08:26.45 | martinja | subvertir nvm I found it |
| 08:26.46 | sobersabre | afrosheen, 1. the mobo uses RAM for video. 2. there are 3 slots on the mobo: 2 DDR and 1 SDRAM are you aware of that ? |
| 08:26.49 | Rizzer | Guerin: I could be wrong :) |
| 08:27.06 | vsquared | is there a debian way to have 2.4 style ip aliasing on an interface through /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:27.30 | afrosheen | sobersabre: mixing ram like that is a bad idea to begin with..yank the 128mb strip and run memtest again |
| 08:27.39 | vsquared | I know I could do it with pre-up, but I wanted to know if there was a better way |
| 08:28.00 | afrosheen | Jeffh: do you plan on providing webmail as well? |
| 08:28.01 | sobersabre | afrosheen, i've ran memtest before i've added SDRAM. |
| 08:28.04 | Rizzer | Guerin: thinking about it, I am wrong. It's my MUA that's invoking spamc when I download mail from the ISP. |
| 08:28.05 | peterS | vsquared: pre-up or up. I don't *think* you can do it with plain old /etc/network/interfaces syntax |
| 08:28.15 | afrosheen | sobersabre: so the sdram is the problem then most likely |
| 08:28.21 | peterS | vsquared: you can of course have eth0:0 et. al. in there |
| 08:28.23 | JeffH | Is there any point in configuring athenticated SMTP? |
| 08:28.23 | sobersabre | and... I want to see if the memory and not the slot is the problem..... |
| 08:28.34 | JeffH | afrosheen: yeah, I currently use squirrelmail |
| 08:28.35 | sobersabre | i have sarge box for that. |
| 08:28.37 | hejux | how to save in vi ? |
| 08:28.41 | peterS | hejux: :w |
| 08:28.48 | sobersabre | how do i configure memtest86 from deb package ? |
| 08:28.48 | peterS | hejux: and hit <enter> |
| 08:28.53 | Guerin | Rizzer: oh. |
| 08:28.57 | hejux | thansk |
| 08:29.05 | sobersabre | i've ran "apt-get install memtest86" but no grub entries apeard |
| 08:29.06 | vsquared | peterS, I'm doing eth0:0 style right now, there's really no reason for me to change other than it's supposed to be deprecated |
| 08:29.07 | afrosheen | sobersabre: ok, well, yank the 128, move the 256 to the other slot, wash rinse repeat |
| 08:29.16 | peterS | vsquared: right, right |
| 08:29.29 | JeffH | isn't memtest86 ment to be run from a cd? |
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| 08:29.35 | peterS | JeffH: or floppy |
| 08:29.37 | sobersabre | hm... you are very creative ;) |
| 08:29.39 | Rizzer | Guerin: but I've set it up previously with exim, it was just a couple a couple of config lines that needed to be switch on. No great drama. |
| 08:29.55 | vsquared | peterS, but I'm satisfied with an 'up' line in there to do new style. Thanks for the info. |
| 08:30.07 | sobersabre | afrosheen, I've tried these. on the K7SOM+ mobo... NO GO. |
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| 08:30.14 | Guerin | Rizzer: that's about how it is with postfix. It's virtual users and smtp auth which are a pain in the arse. |
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| 08:30.20 | afrosheen | sobersabre: no go what? |
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| 08:30.26 | sobersabre | i am trying to make sure if the memory is the faulty part. |
| 08:30.47 | afrosheen | sobersabre: ok well throw it in another machine and try it |
| 08:30.53 | sobersabre | afrosheen, no go for 1 256 into 2nd slot of DDR. |
| 08:31.00 | peterS | vsquared: hey, feel free to hack some suitable syntax into /etc/network/interfaces yourself.... ifupdown is great fun to hack on, due to its use of the 'noweb' literate programming language |
| 08:31.09 | Triffid_Hunter | Guerin: my postfix uses neither virtual users nor smtp auth... |
| 08:31.13 | Rizzer | Guerin: both of those are easy with exim. smtp auth is configured in /etc/exim4.passwd.client |
| 08:31.16 | sobersabre | i am asking: memtest package is installed. how do i make machine be able to boot into memtest image ? |
| 08:31.28 | JeffH | afrosheen: why, do I need to do anything special to get a webmail program to work? |
| 08:31.30 | afrosheen | sobersabre: is it not available at boot time? |
| 08:31.40 | sobersabre | afrosheen, No. |
| 08:31.40 | Guerin | Triffid_Hunter: sure. it needn't. But the two howtos I recommended above are necessary because they DO set up those things. |
| 08:31.43 | Rizzer | Guerin:/etc/exim4/passwd.client, sorry |
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| 08:31.59 | afrosheen | JeffH: you'll need to reconfigure squirrelmail for whatever MTA you're changing to, that might be about it |
| 08:32.23 | martinja | !tell martinja about ALSA |
| 08:32.30 | afrosheen | jeffh: the whole reason I originally went with qmail was because it's easy to get courier-imap and qmail running with squirrel |
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| 08:32.34 | Guerin | Rizzer: yeah... that can be done wiith postfix, too. But I'm talking about an industrial-strength, sql-based virtualisation system, not a few textfiles referencing local users. |
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| 08:32.53 | Guerin | Rizzer: not that that's necessary for 99% of users :) |
| 08:33.05 | ikonia | Guerin qmail can be industrial stregnth |
| 08:33.24 | ikonia | I've seen it run well over 5000 domains with a minimum of 10 users per domain |
| 08:33.25 | Rizzer | Guerin: oh ok. you may be referring to exim4-daemon-heavy then :) |
| 08:33.33 | Guerin | ikonia: anything CAN be industrial strength, but the fact is that qmail causes two spam mails to be sent for every one it recieves. |
| 08:33.41 | afrosheen | ikonia: <darth vader> most impressive. </darth vader> |
| 08:33.43 | JeffH | afrosheen: I like qmail don't get me wrong... but its administration seems to be a nightmare.. I think that isn't helped by the fact that there aren't official binaries. |
| 08:33.50 | sobersabre | afrosheen, i appreciate your help... |
| 08:34.03 | afrosheen | sobersabre: sounds like you need more luck or money than help ;) |
| 08:34.09 | Guerin | JeffH: the fact that there CAN'T BE official binaries for debian. |
| 08:34.18 | ikonia | Guerin not sure I agree with that |
| 08:34.21 | ikonia | afrosheen ha ha |
| 08:34.23 | JeffH | Guerin: yeah.. |
| 08:34.24 | afrosheen | Guerin: I always wondered why nobody packages it |
| 08:34.25 | Guerin | ikonia: explain. |
| 08:34.28 | vsquared | peterS, that does sound like a good thing for me to start working on, especially since just adding an 'up' line gets complicated when the other ip has a bunch of other stuff to set |
| 08:34.40 | Guerin | afrosheen: because djb is a control freak. |
| 08:34.41 | JeffH | astrosheen: there is a binary package.. it's just not 'official' |
| 08:34.42 | ikonia | afrosheen <vader> spam does not cocern me </vader> |
| 08:34.48 | afrosheen | lol |
| 08:34.48 | sobersabre | afrosheen, eventually i will manage... no CVA or MI will occur, don't worry. |
| 08:34.58 | peterS | vsquared: if you missed it, that was sarcasm about how much fun ifupdown is to hack on. noweb is a horrid frontend to C etc. |
| 08:35.04 | afrosheen | sobersabre: roger that |
| 08:35.11 | Guerin | JeffH: no, there are official binaries, AIUI... they're just not debian-policy compliant. |
| 08:35.16 | ikonia | Guerin with all the tools available spamassin, rblsmtp etc etc qmail can run almost spam free |
| 08:35.18 | JeffH | am I going to have problems pointing postfix to a currently existing Maildir structure? |
| 08:35.24 | ikonia | Guerin why do you think it causes spam ? |
| 08:35.27 | Guerin | ikonia: you miss my point. |
| 08:35.31 | JeffH | Guerin: where do I get those? |
| 08:35.31 | afrosheen | ikonia: <vader>I sense much fear in postfix.</vader> |
| 08:35.36 | ikonia | Guerin possible |
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| 08:36.15 | vsquared | peterS, I'm not familiar at all with noweb, so I wasn't sure (it IS hard to catch sarcasm over text :-) |
| 08:36.16 | ikonia | postfix is fine, I've seen that running really well, espcially when using the full suite, imap/vpop/webmail etc |
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| 08:36.24 | zeroC | can anyone explain me the thing w/ the pining?? i think im too stupid for it... ;) |
| 08:36.29 | vsquared | peterS, maybe I'll just write my script and get on with my life |
| 08:36.30 | Guerin | ikonia: when qmail recieves a message, it accepts it. Then, if it needs to reject it for some reason, it sends a SECOND message back to the envelope ... which in the case of spam is wrong 100% of the time, causing a THIRD rejection message from the remote mailer... |
| 08:36.44 | Guerin | ikonia: and god help us if the REMOTE mailer is running qmail as well... |
| 08:36.48 | ikonia | Guerin there is a patch for that |
| 08:37.04 | caphuso | there's a patch for everything in qmail |
| 08:37.09 | ikonia | thats true |
| 08:37.15 | Guerin | ikonia: there's a patch for everything; my point is that qmail is BROKEN frokm the get-go, and shouldn't be used for that reason. |
| 08:37.22 | caphuso | which is, AFAIAC, a good sign that it is a broken piece of shit |
| 08:37.32 | peterS | vsquared: aj writes a book documenting the code, and includes the code itself, *all in one huge file*. I understand noweb doesn't have to be this way, but that's how ifupdown is. the noweb preprocessor splits all this into a Makefile, some .c and .h files, and documentation in some form |
| 08:38.01 | caphuso | peterS: not having it that way kinda defeats the purpose of noweb |
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| 08:38.03 | ikonia | Guerin not sure "broken" is a fair term |
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| 08:38.07 | JeffH | Guerin: is it going to be difficult to point postfix to an existing Maildir structure? |
| 08:38.09 | ikonia | but I see what your saying |
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| 08:38.15 | Guerin | JeffH: nope, postfix likes maildir fine. the binaries for qmail are on cr.yp.to, i believe. |
| 08:38.21 | peterS | caphuso: shoving all your source files, including Makefile, into a single huge file, is how noweb is supposed to work? |
| 08:38.22 | Guerin | ikonia: i am. |
| 08:38.30 | peterS | caphuso: I find it hard to believe anyone thought that was a good idea |
| 08:38.37 | ikonia | Guerin you are what ? |
| 08:38.43 | sanxiyn | "This program is licensed under the GPL. The Queen of England may modify the license." |
| 08:38.48 | caphuso | peterS: DEK :) |
| 08:38.49 | peterS | sanxiyn: ha |
| 08:38.50 | sanxiyn | Now... what? |
| 08:38.53 | peterS | caphuso: yeah, besides him |
| 08:38.57 | Fleck | anyone knows how to decode postfix passwd file passwords ? |
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| 08:39.01 | Guerin | ikonia: sure that it being unusable mangled in default distribution makes it broken. |
| 08:39.03 | sanxiyn | peterS: Spotted on a real software project. |
| 08:39.12 | peterS | sanxiyn: cute. what software? |
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| 08:39.16 | sanxiyn | http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~sxanth/pyc/ |
| 08:39.21 | ikonia | Guerin the default distro in debian perhaps, not in the life with qmail methods |
| 08:39.22 | caphuso | peterS: i don't like that literate programming either, but i can understand why it appeals to some people |
| 08:39.35 | JeffH | the one thing I don't like about qmail is all the strange programs it requires. |
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| 08:39.37 | ikonia | which is how I've always built it so possibly why I've not had the pain you suggest |
| 08:39.39 | trueno | Hi! If connect to a win 2003 server box using samba (smbfs), will that connection be encrypted (ssh tunnel or the like?)? I always have many technical questions related to how windows works, but I can't find information clear ... |
| 08:39.39 | trueno | enough... no HOWTOs, etc. Any clue? |
| 08:39.42 | eeEE | anyone know why df -h would give this: /dev/hda2 -29959568831143k 1.0k 0.0k 51% / |
| 08:39.49 | ikonia | JeffH tcpserver and the like |
| 08:39.52 | caphuso | eeEE: broken filesystem |
| 08:39.58 | Guerin | ikonia: no, the default distro FROM THE AUTHOR, who REFUSES TO FIX his broken app. |
| 08:40.13 | JeffH | ikonia: exactly.. I don't see the point. |
| 08:40.22 | ikonia | Guerin djb certainly is a problem. check out net-qmail for updated versions |
| 08:40.25 | eeEE | caphuso: the machine seems to work allright. what is the remedy? |
| 08:40.36 | Guerin | ikonia: the fact that you HAVE to use a 3rd-party, amateur webguide and 3rd-party patches to make it functional IS a problem. |
| 08:40.38 | ikonia | JeffH yes that is a pain. There are ways around that but if you go that route you'll stuggle with support |
| 08:40.43 | hejux | when mount ntfs the ntfs should be caps ? |
| 08:40.56 | pipeline | no |
| 08:40.57 | Guerin | hejux: no. |
| 08:40.58 | hejux | like NTFS ? |
| 08:41.02 | caphuso | eeEE: uh, horrible data loss when the kernel starts overwriting stuff because it's completely confused? |
| 08:41.02 | ikonia | Guerin net-qmail is not amatuer in anyway. It took over a year to develop and came out of extensive testing. |
| 08:41.04 | peterS | hejux: no |
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| 08:41.21 | babyrobbe | :) |
| 08:41.22 | ikonia | djb is a problem on a personal level though |
| 08:41.40 | eeEE | caphuso: that sounds pretty bad. |
| 08:41.41 | ikonia | he is being a arse buy not doing updates he acknoledges are needed |
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| 08:41.44 | hejux | ok |
| 08:41.46 | d3s | hello |
| 08:41.51 | ikonia | buy/by |
| 08:41.52 | eeEE | pretttty bad. |
| 08:41.59 | Guerin | ikonia: no point in bothering when there are two free, robust, stan dardised, actively-developed, secure MTAs in common usage ... and then there's another one which is turing-complete. |
| 08:42.01 | JeffH | ikonia: are there debian packages anywhere for netqmail? |
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| 08:42.11 | caphuso | Guerin: two turing-complete |
| 08:42.19 | Guerin | caphuso: sendmail and? |
| 08:42.21 | TwistedEmotions | How do I set the curser size on XFCE? I run it on my laptop and I have a clit mouse and it's hard to see ;( |
| 08:42.23 | caphuso | Guerin: exim |
| 08:42.27 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 08:42.34 | ikonia | JeffH I think there are on the site, I may work on porting it into the debian archives |
| 08:42.48 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: a clit mouse? where can i get one of those? :) |
| 08:42.52 | caphuso | the rewriting, specifically |
| 08:42.53 | ikonia | JeffH I've never run it on debian so I've never really looked |
| 08:42.56 | JeffH | Guerin: I'm starting to agree with your arguments.. I'm going to install postfix tomorrow. |
| 08:43.04 | ikonia | postfix is a fine choice |
| 08:43.11 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: use update-alternatives - it's X-specific, not WM-specific. |
| 08:43.17 | ikonia | I only use qmail because it has always met my needs %101 |
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| 08:43.26 | theboneman | hello |
| 08:43.29 | ikonia | and I'm confident running it |
| 08:43.37 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: the little mouses that some laptops have that look like a bugger |
| 08:43.43 | JeffH | qmail has met my needs until I needed to install spamassassin |
| 08:43.48 | TwistedEmotions | buger |
| 08:43.49 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: heh |
| 08:43.52 | theboneman | can someone tell me what lstat is ? |
| 08:43.56 | Guerin | qmail met my needs until I had to change stuff. |
| 08:44.00 | Gnea | i prefer exim4 |
| 08:44.04 | Gnea | exim is old |
| 08:44.07 | ikonia | JeffH I got spam assassin working fine |
| 08:44.18 | theboneman | lstat == ? |
| 08:44.20 | streuner | !start a MTA war |
| 08:44.20 | dpkg | postfix rulez |
| 08:44.22 | ikonia | Guerin changing things can either work REALLY well, or cause big pain. |
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| 08:44.26 | ikonia | I'll agree with you on that |
| 08:44.28 | babyrobbe | :) |
| 08:44.31 | Gnea | and sendmail still exists? :) |
| 08:44.33 | trueno | theboneman: man lstat |
| 08:44.40 | ikonia | also because of tcpserver startup problems are very annoying to debug |
| 08:44.42 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Errr... update alternatives? |
| 08:44.51 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: man update-alternatives |
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| 08:44.54 | JeffH | ikonia: I have no doubt that's easier if you compile your own.. but I don't see the point of doing that when debian has a great binary package system. |
| 08:45.09 | theboneman | trueno no manual entry for lstat |
| 08:45.13 | Guerin | Gnea: sendmail is still apparently the most powerful mta in existence... |
| 08:45.18 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:45.25 | ikonia | JeffH thats one of the reasons running debian is good. I see that. I may look at porting it into the debian repo |
| 08:45.26 | theboneman | what and where can i get lstat... |
| 08:45.29 | Gnea | Guerin: the most powerful at sucking, sure |
| 08:45.39 | theboneman | !dpkg lstat |
| 08:45.45 | ikonia | Guerin sendmail is a great mta - but a poor mail server as a package |
| 08:45.47 | theboneman | lol |
| 08:45.47 | babyrobbe | hi ... i got a laptop with b44 and ipw2200 network cards ... what is the best way to install debian off the net? |
| 08:45.51 | Gnea | just let sendmail within 10 feet of your car it'll suck the paint right off it :) |
| 08:45.52 | Guerin | Gnea: well... there are people who, having achieved sendmail nirvana, will use nothing else. |
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| 08:46.06 | ikonia | the load you can put sendmail under is <vader> impressive, most impressive </vadeR> |
| 08:46.15 | streuner | babyrobbe: what laptop do you have? |
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| 08:46.18 | Guerin | Gnea: like the guy who gets 1,000,000 spams per day... |
| 08:46.22 | JeffH | after I get postfix going I really should figure out a better backup mechanism to backup my windows computer to a samba share in Linux. |
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| 08:46.29 | Gnea | Guerin: yeah, like him |
| 08:46.36 | DuckPatch | hmm hello, i cant remember my ftp info |
| 08:46.39 | theboneman | anyone know how to apt-get lstat ? |
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| 08:46.47 | DuckPatch | is there a way to see if im even running an ftp server |
| 08:46.48 | Gnea | DuckPatch: sucks to be you |
| 08:46.49 | JeffH | Then work on fixing my excel/perl stock price hack. |
| 08:46.50 | Guerin | !find bin/lstat |
| 08:46.56 | Gnea | DuckPatch: what ftp info? |
| 08:47.01 | DuckPatch | username, pw |
| 08:47.10 | Guerin | DuckPatch: hahah |
| 08:47.11 | Gnea | heh |
| 08:47.16 | Gnea | oh well |
| 08:47.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lstat' (1): (/usr/lib/debian-test/tests/linux/testcases/bin/{lstat01|lstat02|lstat03}) in misc/ltp-kernel-test. |
| 08:47.28 | theboneman | er.. |
| 08:47.29 | DuckPatch | whats the ftp server called in debian |
| 08:47.34 | Guerin | DuckPatch: ftpd |
| 08:47.38 | DuckPatch | thanks |
| 08:47.45 | Guerin | by default, anyhow |
| 08:47.48 | afrosheen | personally I like proftpd |
| 08:47.49 | JeffH | Guerin: does postfix require mysql? |
| 08:47.57 | Gnea | proftpd rocks |
| 08:48.08 | afrosheen | and gproftpd is good for noobs or lazy admins :) |
| 08:48.10 | DuckPatch | how can i view the settings of ftpd? |
| 08:48.10 | theboneman | gFTP :] |
| 08:48.10 | ikonia | JeffH you can run it with any db backend |
| 08:48.13 | Guerin | JeffH: no. Those howtos are specifically for virtual users and mysql |
| 08:48.21 | trueno | theboneman: stat, fstat, lstat - get file status |
| 08:48.23 | Gnea | DuckPatch: look for the config file |
| 08:48.30 | Gnea | should be in /etc |
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| 08:48.36 | Guerin | theboneman: client, not a server. |
| 08:48.53 | Guerin | DuckPatch: /etc/ftpd.conf? |
| 08:49.05 | DuckPatch | nup |
| 08:49.06 | Guerin | DuckPatch: dpkg -L ftpd |grep /etc |
| 08:49.06 | JeffH | a virtual user gets you a mailbox without the need of a corresponding unix user account, right? |
| 08:49.17 | Guerin | JeffH: correct. |
| 08:49.26 | DuckPatch | /etc/pam.d/ftp |
| 08:49.34 | DuckPatch | /etc/ftpchroot |
| 08:49.47 | Guerin | DuckPatch: one o'them |
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| 08:50.02 | JeffH | I'll have to look for some docs on how to configure a plain jane postfix setup. |
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| 08:50.36 | Guerin | JeffH: pretty much oughta work ootb. |
| 08:50.52 | JeffH | Guerin: bonus |
| 08:51.04 | Rizzer | I think postfix is said to be more processor intensive than exim. |
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| 08:51.32 | zeroC | anyone here who use gnu-kbsd? |
| 08:51.45 | JeffH | so then I'll use this doc to configure the spam control and anti-virus control. |
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| 08:52.31 | zeroC | i´ve a problem with the installation the errors are: but if i type this command, it gives me some errors |
| 08:52.32 | theboneman | e |
| 08:52.32 | zeroC | Checking if your filesystem is really writeable.. |
| 08:52.32 | zeroC | fstab: /etc/fstab:0: No such file or directory |
| 08:52.32 | zeroC | mount: /: unknown special file or file system |
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| 08:52.36 | theboneman | rofl |
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| 08:52.42 | theboneman | ;\ |
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| 08:53.26 | theboneman | whats apt-get install lstat? |
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| 08:54.13 | JeffH | Is there a way to find out what repository a particualr package resides on? |
| 08:54.24 | Guerin | JeffH: apt-cache policy |
| 08:54.40 | Gnea | JeffH: apparantly the current 1.0-* releases of dovecot support system and virtual users at the same time |
| 08:54.55 | Gnea | that would work REALLY nicely with exim4...hrm.... |
| 08:55.17 | JeffH | I couldn't care less about virtual users.. |
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| 08:55.47 | theboneman | anyone ? |
| 08:55.49 | JeffH | sweet.. WWW::Mechanize is now in the debian repository.. no more building it myself. |
| 08:56.36 | netman1 | theboneman: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
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| 08:56.50 | theboneman | ty |
| 08:56.55 | Rizzer | theboneman: there's no lstat package or binary that I can see. Do you mean the C function? It's probably in libc. |
| 08:56.58 | Raith | hey guys...got debian working...err..problem is screen reso now.. |
| 08:57.16 | Raith | i have a dual setup..two 1280 x 1024...my only options on debian are 800 x 600 and 640 x 840.. |
| 08:57.23 | Rizzer | theboneman: stat on the other hand is in coreutils |
| 08:57.43 | theboneman | gnu? |
| 08:57.49 | theboneman | gnulib |
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| 08:58.09 | bob2 | the dead eyes opened, the dead eyes opened, the dead eyes opened. |
| 08:58.14 | Raith | any help? |
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| 08:58.28 | theboneman | rofl bob2 thats what i feel like :o |
| 08:58.39 | theboneman | Raith ? |
| 08:58.42 | Rizzer | theboneman: libc is in libc6 (libc6-dev), yes, GNU's libc |
| 08:58.42 | Raith | dual setup..1280 x 1024...the only options are 800 x 600 and 640 x 840 |
| 08:58.53 | avalente | is there a way of finding a file in all packages? imagine that i wanted to install the package that has the file /etc/issue |
| 08:59.12 | scytheman | apt-file |
| 08:59.12 | theboneman | ok ty |
| 08:59.18 | bob2 | Raith: "dual setup"? |
| 08:59.18 | spdf | Raith, Reconfigure X? |
| 08:59.23 | Raith | 2 monitors |
| 08:59.28 | Guerin | !tell avalente about search |
| 08:59.28 | bob2 | avalente: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:59.29 | peterS | avalente: apt-file as scytheman said, or just use http://packages.debian.org/ which is a frontend to that |
| 08:59.30 | Raith | two 1280 x 1024 lcd monitors.. |
| 08:59.32 | netman1 | Raith: check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:59.37 | spdf | Raith, Or, edit your XF86Config-4 yourself and add them.. |
| 08:59.51 | Rizzer | Raith: have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ? |
| 08:59.59 | Raith | nope.. |
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| 09:00.22 | Rizzer | avalente: "dpkg -S /some/file" or "dlocate /some/file" |
| 09:00.24 | JeffH | is there anyway to have dpkg tell me what packages depend on a particular package? |
| 09:00.26 | avalente | ok :) thanks |
| 09:00.39 | ikonia | does debian use ld.so.conf ? |
| 09:00.40 | JeffH | installed packages that is. |
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| 09:00.46 | Rizzer | JeffH: in aptitude, press 'r' for reverse dependencies |
| 09:00.57 | Raith | alright...rizzer...do i run, "dpkg-reconfigure" ? |
| 09:00.59 | netman1 | JeffH: apt-cache depends package or apt-cache rdepends package |
| 09:01.01 | Rizzer | JeffH: otherwise "man dpkg" :) |
| 09:01.07 | EmleyMoor | If I'm using parted, and want to expand a partition that's currently in the middle, do I need to resize/move the ones below it first or is it clever enough to detect that for me? |
| 09:01.08 | peterS | ikonia: sure |
| 09:01.15 | ikonia | cool. Thanks |
| 09:01.15 | theboneman | er |
| 09:01.26 | Rizzer | Raith: yes, that should give more detailed questions about res sizes |
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| 09:01.32 | Raith | alright |
| 09:01.33 | Raith | thanks |
| 09:01.37 | Raith | i'll be back.. |
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| 09:02.46 | JeffH | Thanks. |
| 09:03.12 | theboneman | :] |
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| 09:03.41 | theboneman | hey |
| 09:03.51 | theboneman | my computer starts getting weird overclock signals |
| 09:04.00 | theboneman | telling me its running in overclock mode |
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| 09:04.18 | theboneman | temperature exceeding threshold |
| 09:04.19 | Gnea | that's always good |
| 09:04.55 | Gnea | theboneman: yes, that's nice |
| 09:05.10 | theboneman | no it isnt |
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| 09:05.19 | Gnea | yes, it is. |
| 09:05.19 | theboneman | Message from syslogd@localhost at Sat Jun 11 23:04:50 2005 ... |
| 09:05.19 | theboneman | localhost kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 09:05.32 | Gnea | so? |
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| 09:05.41 | theboneman | it spams it to all my terms |
| 09:05.47 | Gnea | sucks to be you |
| 09:05.52 | theboneman | um... |
| 09:05.54 | Gnea | what's your point? |
| 09:05.55 | theboneman | (^) |
| 09:06.06 | theboneman | um i dont know why it does that, why does it do that ? |
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| 09:06.13 | wintix | i want to switch from xfree to xorg. is the same nvidia driver working for both? |
| 09:06.19 | Gnea | because it should |
| 09:06.32 | Gnea | !xorg |
| 09:06.32 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
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| 09:06.47 | theboneman | cool |
| 09:06.49 | theboneman | :] |
| 09:06.53 | JeffH | is sqwebmail different from squirrelmal ? |
| 09:06.55 | theboneman | Gnea why so mean you mad ? |
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| 09:06.57 | wintix | Gnea: thx |
| 09:07.01 | ikonia | JeffH very |
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| 09:07.12 | Gnea | theboneman: lol i'm not mad |
| 09:07.18 | JeffH | hmm.. wonder which is better. |
| 09:07.19 | theboneman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.20 | Gnea | i just have an odd sense of humor |
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| 09:07.36 | theboneman | ah, haha :] well just thought u were annoyed by me... |
| 09:07.38 | ikonia | JeffH sqwebmail is a cgi based webmail using couriers auth daemon, squirellmail is an imap webmail client written in php |
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| 09:07.44 | Gnea | i was trying to point out that you weren't being very detailed and assuming that we knew what you were talking about |
| 09:07.52 | theboneman | im still new to debian so forgive me lol |
| 09:07.54 | Gnea | actually i was |
| 09:07.58 | Gnea | lol |
| 09:08.04 | Gnea | i gathered |
| 09:08.05 | Gnea | !rules |
| 09:08.06 | dpkg | hmm... rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 09:08.12 | trueno | !samba |
| 09:08.12 | dpkg | samba is probably a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 09:08.15 | JeffH | ikonia: sqwebmail handles imap yes? |
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| 09:08.39 | ikonia | JeffH yes it does |
| 09:08.42 | theboneman | so threshold is good |
| 09:08.58 | theboneman | threshold = bad and temperature is above it |
| 09:09.10 | JeffH | hm.. wonder if I'm confusing something... courier is courier-imap right? or two different products? |
| 09:09.12 | ikonia | JeffH but your imap server and your webserver will have to be setup very well as squirrell mail is php based |
| 09:09.28 | ikonia | JeffH courier imap is a seperate product that can be included in courier |
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| 09:09.42 | theboneman | !import |
| 09:09.42 | dpkg | it has been said that import is part of imagemagick |
| 09:09.49 | JeffH | ikonia: I've setup squirrelmail before so it isn't a big deal. |
| 09:09.57 | Guerin | courier releases a mta, imapd, pop3d, mda and authdaemon |
| 09:10.05 | ikonia | JeffH how did you set it up before without using imap ? |
| 09:10.16 | wintix | is it useful to switch to x.org? |
| 09:10.19 | JeffH | ikonia: I do use imap. |
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| 09:10.23 | Guerin | wintix: no. |
| 09:10.24 | EmleyMoor | Other than parted, is there any good partition-adjusting software? |
| 09:10.27 | JeffH | I use courier-imap |
| 09:10.31 | ikonia | so why did you ask if squirell mail handled imap ? |
| 09:10.32 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: cfdisk? |
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| 09:10.39 | bob2 | wintix: depends on your card, but it's not simple to do so in Debian (it's not in Debian) |
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| 09:10.50 | EmleyMoor | Guerin: That's not for adjusting |
| 09:10.52 | JeffH | ikonia: I asked if sqwebmail handled imap. |
| 09:10.59 | ikonia | ahh, in that case "no" |
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| 09:11.06 | wintix | bob2: dpkg was telling so.. hm. |
| 09:11.06 | JeffH | aah, ok. haha |
| 09:11.07 | ikonia | unless you do a crazy config with authdaemon |
| 09:11.09 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: depends what you mean by 'adjust' |
| 09:11.13 | netman1 | What is a good way to find all files used in a login process? Is there for instance a good place that I can do a 'set -x' ? |
| 09:11.13 | Gnea | EmleyMoor: parted is *the* advanced partitioner |
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| 09:11.27 | EmleyMoor | I made a partition in the middle of the disk which has now proven too small |
| 09:11.38 | JeffH | I'll stick with squirrelmail as it does what I need and is easy to configure/setup. |
| 09:11.38 | ikonia | JeffH sorry - my bad reading |
| 09:11.52 | bob2 | netman1: it's not just shell scripts |
| 09:12.02 | bob2 | netman1: afaik it's not shell scripts at all, until after your shell starts |
| 09:12.10 | JeffH | I really should try to get rid of this excel/perl hack I've created. |
| 09:12.11 | bob2 | netman1: are you trying to find out something specific? |
| 09:12.18 | theboneman | :] |
| 09:12.33 | Silicon | afro: hmm seems my UPS which plugs into the USB is causing my entire system to freeze |
| 09:12.41 | JeffH | I keep hoping it'll go away and my 401k provider will provide direct download into quicken. |
| 09:12.53 | silverton | why in the world would a UPS plug in through USB? |
| 09:13.03 | netman1 | bob2: No, just regualary run into trouble and can't find a general way of tracing login problems. |
| 09:13.12 | silverton | so I don't quite understand the concept |
| 09:13.20 | Silicon | i dunno |
| 09:13.29 | silverton | easier to monitor? |
| 09:13.34 | bob2 | netman1: it's ver unlikely they happen before it hits your shell |
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| 09:13.40 | bob2 | silverton: monitoring |
| 09:13.40 | silverton | sends battery life to the PC through usb maybe? |
| 09:13.44 | silverton | okay |
| 09:13.48 | MrScotty | shut down the computer on power failure |
| 09:13.50 | caphuso | silverton: to notify the computer that it has to shutdown |
| 09:13.52 | JeffH | That's what I need to do.. I need to investigate an UPS.. my power went off and my mail server (headless) was sitting there waiting for me to press ctrl-d to get into single user mode to fix a disk problem. |
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| 09:14.09 | Gnea | bob2: hey did you catch that howto-extension? |
| 09:14.25 | netman1 | bob2 : So I should do a set -x or equiv to the users login shell? |
| 09:14.31 | OldakQuill | Is a swap partition entirely necessary? |
| 09:14.36 | bob2 | Gnea: no |
| 09:14.43 | bob2 | netman1: ~/.bash_profile |
| 09:14.46 | Gnea | bob2: http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 09:14.47 | zumbi | OldakQuill, no |
| 09:14.48 | bob2 | OldakQuill: not if you have a ton of ram |
| 09:14.58 | Silicon | anyways i probably have a crappy chipset anyways that's causing it to freeze when i plug-in a device ;/ |
| 09:15.00 | OldakQuill | I have about one and a quarter gigabytes |
| 09:15.09 | bob2 | OldakQuill: then you're unlikely to need swap |
| 09:15.26 | netman1 | bob2: maintain hpux, sun, bsd's etc. So it's allways shell specific? |
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| 09:15.34 | OldakQuill | I suppose a swap file can serve my purpose if I am ever in need |
| 09:15.44 | JeffH | Is there any kind of package for Linux that will let me automatically backup/mirror a windows computer and manage restoration? |
| 09:15.57 | Gnea | JeffH: rsync |
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| 09:16.09 | abrocadabro | OldakQuill: I only have half a gig and without swap the system runs very well |
| 09:16.25 | JeffH | Gnea: is there some nice windows frontend? |
| 09:16.31 | Gnea | JeffH: though rsync is just one step |
| 09:16.37 | Gnea | JeffH: yeah, check google |
| 09:16.49 | bob2 | netman1: afaik, getty runs and provides you with a login prompt, then you type your password in and it runs "login", which runs your shell as configured in /etc/passwd |
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| 09:16.51 | Gnea | not sure what the UI is like |
| 09:17.04 | JeffH | Gnea: will it let me manage multiple versions of backups? |
| 09:17.07 | OldakQuill | Also, I am installing from a Windows system (I am going to get rid of it). Should I wipe the harddrive before starting? |
| 09:17.15 | simonrvn | bob2: yes. basically |
| 09:17.24 | rayen | Hi, I am trying to install Xfce 4.2, but I miss a package " XML Library , libxml-2.0 ", but I can't find this package with apt-get ? |
| 09:17.27 | Gnea | JeffH: like i said, rsync is just one step, you'll need to figure the rest out and put them together yourself |
| 09:17.39 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: one last question about the curser... using galternative to edit the file and it works fine but how do I edit the size of the curser and not the actuall color of it and such? |
| 09:17.45 | wintix | i think waiting for x.org implementation to debian is a good idea then? |
| 09:17.51 | zumbi | !hi |
| 09:17.52 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
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| 09:18.12 | zumbi | wintix, yes |
| 09:18.15 | bob2 | simonrvn: do you know if that's linux-specific or not? |
| 09:18.23 | bob2 | rayen: libxml2-dev, if you're compiling it |
| 09:18.31 | JeffH | alrght, thanks to everyone who helped me with answers.. time to sleep.. tomorrow I rebuild my server... |
| 09:18.33 | netman1 | bob2: Ok, thanks, so back to basics ;-) |
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| 09:18.57 | simonrvn | no idea. afaik, that could be semi-standard, or linux-only. netbsd seems to operate similarly |
| 09:19.33 | simonrvn | init -> getty -> login -> user login shell |
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| 09:20.28 | simonrvn | dammit, 24 at this time of day... they said another hot one. :| |
| 09:20.54 | EmleyMoor | I think I've worked out what to do with my partitions |
| 09:21.07 | Raith | hey...i tried editing.../etc/X11/XF86configure-4 ...can't edit it |
| 09:21.19 | spdf | simonrvn, Is that disdain for it being 24, or did you want hotter? |
| 09:21.22 | streuner | !x md5 |
| 09:21.22 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 09:21.25 | sussudio | <ampald> everything should be measured in bits nowdays <ampald> coz bytes isnt accurate anymore lol |
| 09:21.28 | simonrvn | want it cooler |
| 09:21.47 | simonrvn | sussudio: qotd456 ? |
| 09:21.56 | spdf | simonrvn, agreed. It's 23 degrees outside and its 5:15am |
| 09:21.56 | streuner | Raith: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, what videocard do you have, btw? |
| 09:22.04 | Raith | ati 9550 |
| 09:22.23 | spdf | Raith, Are you using the fglrx drivers? |
| 09:22.35 | sussudio | :-| |
| 09:22.42 | Raith | say what?...fg1rx drivers |
| 09:22.45 | bob2 | Gnea: hmm |
| 09:22.45 | streuner | Raith: /msg dpkg ati and look at xfree86.org is the card supported or not by xfree itself? |
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| 09:23.11 | bob2 | Gnea: another problem is that, afaict, the image size is fixed (and small) |
| 09:23.17 | streuner | Raith: read the factoid (ati) |
| 09:23.31 | Gnea | bob2: image size? |
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| 09:23.40 | spdf | Raith, Say what?! Check out http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 09:23.42 | bob2 | Gnea: of root_fs |
| 09:23.49 | Gnea | nonsense :) |
| 09:23.57 | spdf | Raith, I use those drivers, they work great.. |
| 09:24.17 | Gnea | bob2: i created a new fs ala dd if=/dev/zero of=new_fs bs=20M count=100 <-- 2gig fs |
| 09:24.23 | Gnea | mkfs.ext3 new_fs |
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| 09:24.29 | Gnea | toss it on another loop |
| 09:24.32 | Gnea | copy the files over |
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| 09:24.39 | Gnea | place it to root_fs |
| 09:24.41 | Gnea | and bam |
| 09:24.42 | bob2 | Gnea: ah, right |
| 09:24.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:24.56 | cinix | good morning! |
| 09:25.04 | Raith | my card is supported |
| 09:25.18 | Raith | so just download that |
| 09:25.23 | Gnea | bob2: and yes, it works great with ext3 |
| 09:25.26 | cinix | that sounds dirty |
| 09:25.43 | cinix | my card is supported, so just download that bitch! |
| 09:25.52 | cinix | woh I wonder if it's so late i'm dillusional |
| 09:25.54 | Raith | lol ! |
| 09:25.56 | cinix | nah |
| 09:26.00 | honschu | The lowest monitormode I can adjust with i915GM (GMA 900) is 640x480. For xmame I need 320x248, I there a way to get those modlines? (virtually?) |
| 09:26.02 | Gnea | cinix: heh |
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| 09:26.27 | streuner | dpkg, seen gravity |
| 09:26.27 | dpkg | gravity <~david@dhcp-130-64-45-222.boston.tufts.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 1d 13h 25m 4s ago, saying: 'A month of nothing but frustration. You know there's a problem when the xfree86 build system is less painful than the revision control system'. |
| 09:26.27 | cinix | why do you need that low for xmame?? |
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| 09:26.30 | PtIsEnBoN | Bonsoir |
| 09:26.37 | PtIsEnBoN | ca va la salle |
| 09:26.41 | cinix | to trick it for full screen or something? |
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| 09:26.49 | Gnea | !debian-fr |
| 09:26.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-fr is an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/ |
| 09:26.55 | PtIsEnBoN | alors ca parle de quoi ici? |
| 09:27.01 | spdf | Raith, Add the stanchina repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update, make sure to install the correct kernel headers for your current kernel as well, and then build the fglrx kernel module located in /lib/modules/fglrx (should be a make.sh there, or something similar, run that) |
| 09:27.03 | cinix | if your looking for like a dedicated mame solution maybe you should try and find some kind of framebuffer client |
| 09:27.17 | hejux | fat32 in fstab be written as vfat ? |
| 09:27.18 | sussudio | blaireau |
| 09:27.21 | sussudio | !fr |
| 09:27.22 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 09:27.29 | PtIsEnBoN | fils de pute va |
| 09:27.39 | sussudio | ... |
| 09:27.43 | silverton | Gnea, be nice ;) |
| 09:27.43 | simonrvn | well if you can't figure that out from the channel name, maybe you should check in your brain |
| 09:27.47 | streuner | Ptls: are you a bot? |
| 09:27.47 | PtIsEnBoN | gnea je suis mort de rire |
| 09:27.49 | sussudio | bob2: i think PtIsEnBoN is cursing in french |
| 09:27.50 | Gnea | silverton: trust me, that was nice ;) |
| 09:27.50 | PtIsEnBoN | lol |
| 09:27.51 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.55 | streuner | PtIsEnBoN: are you a bot? |
| 09:28.00 | hejux | fat32 filesystem in fstab be written as vfat ??? |
| 09:28.01 | sussudio | [PtIsEnBoN VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 09:28.01 | simonrvn | PtIsEnBoN: va ailleurs pout troller |
| 09:28.06 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 09:28.06 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 09:28.12 | simonrvn | crisse de con |
| 09:28.13 | Raith | thanks...i'll try it and come back.. |
| 09:28.20 | PtIsEnBoN | simonrvn je vois que t as un pseudo de merde |
| 09:28.23 | PtIsEnBoN | mdr |
| 09:28.23 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 09:28.23 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 09:28.34 | sussudio | ktnx |
| 09:28.34 | simonrvn | plonk |
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| 09:28.43 | PtIsEnBoN | coucou |
| 09:28.44 | silverton | hehe, ninja-Op :D |
| 09:28.44 | PtIsEnBoN | lol |
| 09:28.49 | streuner | wasnt that a little too fast? |
| 09:28.56 | streuner | PtIsEnBoN: talk english |
| 09:28.59 | simonrvn | he's also in #gentoo |
| 09:29.01 | Gnea | ok that does it |
| 09:29.06 | cinix | lol traiter! |
| 09:29.10 | theboneman | h/me wooties |
| 09:29.16 | streuner | that isnt a reason to just say he is a troll |
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| 09:29.18 | PtIsEnBoN | i cant my english is very bad |
| 09:29.19 | theboneman | later all ty for the fish |
| 09:29.20 | simonrvn | doesn't even bother setting umode +i |
| 09:29.32 | PtIsEnBoN | but evribady dance now here |
| 09:29.46 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 09:29.54 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 09:29.54 | dpkg | i guess plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
| 09:29.54 | cinix | !dance |
| 09:29.57 | PtIsEnBoN | you now |
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| 09:30.15 | PtIsEnBoN | my girl frend its englicsh |
| 09:30.17 | PtIsEnBoN | lol |
| 09:30.25 | cinix | english girls are hot |
| 09:30.33 | PtIsEnBoN | but chese very connasse |
| 09:30.34 | PtIsEnBoN | lol |
| 09:30.45 | PtIsEnBoN | i now |
| 09:30.53 | PtIsEnBoN | shes very hot hot |
| 09:31.04 | streuner | argh, he is :-) |
| 09:31.11 | sussudio | ... |
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| 09:31.28 | Gnea | !troll PtIsEnBoN |
| 09:31.29 | spdf | Oh boy. |
| 09:31.33 | PtIsEnBoN | me too im very haot i like the butiful girl |
| 09:31.39 | cinix | !tampax |
| 09:31.43 | HeavenWarrior | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found... |
| 09:31.44 | HeavenWarrior | how to cope with that one |
| 09:31.45 | PtIsEnBoN | ta mare |
| 09:31.46 | PtIsEnBoN | lol |
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| 09:31.49 | PtIsEnBoN | ta mere |
| 09:31.54 | *** kick/#debian [PtIsEnBoN!foobar@p5481D144.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 09:31.55 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@def92-8-82-236-15-188.fbx.proxad.net] by caphuso |
| 09:31.56 | Gnea | PtIsEnBoN: buh-bye |
| 09:31.57 | spdf | HeavenWarrior, Modules loaded, and such? |
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| 09:32.05 | Gnea | !beer caphuso |
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| 09:32.08 | sussudio | i hate france. |
| 09:32.13 | Gnea | so do i |
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| 09:32.24 | simonrvn | they're not all like that |
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| 09:32.31 | Gnea | simonrvn: yeah they are :) |
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| 09:32.38 | sussudio | simonrvn: name one |
| 09:32.38 | simonrvn | no they're not |
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| 09:32.59 | HeavenWarrior | spdf, alsaconf found and set all but there's no sound - opl3sa2 module is loaded in kernel and it's written in /etc/modules - i don't know where my fault |
| 09:33.16 | Gnea | simonrvn: ok, what percentage of france voted against making any sort of change to their economic setup? |
| 09:33.32 | Guerin | !politics |
| 09:33.33 | dpkg | from memory, politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 09:33.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:33.50 | caphuso | wise choice |
| 09:33.53 | spdf | HeavenWarrior, Make sure that only ALSA drivers are loaded for sound (Only modules beginning with snd-) |
| 09:33.55 | Gnea | that's damn right |
| 09:33.58 | Guerin | aargh |
| 09:34.07 | Guerin | must ... stop ... eating ... peanuts |
| 09:34.16 | Guerin | mouth ... too ... SALTY |
| 09:34.21 | spdf | HeavenWarrior, Perhaps you chould paste what lsmod says into #flood, or on a pastebin |
| 09:34.22 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: so drink water |
| 09:34.25 | sussudio | Guerin: you can buy unsalted peanuts |
| 09:34.34 | simonrvn | Gnea: oh ffs, you say that of anywhere, of anything |
| 09:34.39 | Guerin | unsalted peanuts are horrible |
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| 09:34.55 | Guerin | peanuts are a clear example of salt substrate |
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| 09:34.59 | Gnea | simonrvn: that's right. :) |
| 09:35.00 | simonrvn | and why should i bother naming one, you wouldn't believe me anyway |
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| 09:35.15 | simonrvn | maybe i should plonk you two, also |
| 09:35.15 | dondelelcaro | eh, who cares? |
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| 09:35.25 | rommer | what is the php package in debian called |
| 09:35.28 | dondelelcaro | use /ignore or something. |
| 09:35.33 | soulfly | hi. I want to remove (aka purge) configuration files from a package i have removed. "dpkg --purge" wont help me here. Any tips? |
| 09:35.34 | dondelelcaro | rommer: php4, generally. |
| 09:35.35 | sussudio | rommer: fluffybuns |
| 09:35.36 | Guerin | rommer: apt-cache search php4 |
| 09:35.38 | Gnea | rommer: apt-cache search php4 |
| 09:35.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell rommer -about search |
| 09:35.48 | rommer | ok thanks |
| 09:35.52 | Gnea | np |
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| 09:36.04 | rixth | How do I make bootsplashs? I've made my images but I don't know how to enable them. |
| 09:36.10 | moisesgarin | hi |
| 09:36.16 | Guerin | !splashy |
| 09:36.16 | dpkg | from memory, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge alright. |
| 09:36.21 | Gnea | !bootsplash |
| 09:36.21 | dpkg | methinks bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf |
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| 09:37.01 | soulfly | dpkg: please tell me about removing configuration files |
| 09:37.22 | dobby | hello i'm trying to install a vsftpd server. I did all the thing from the howto. But the intresting thing is that i can't login with my ftp users. I can insert the username, but the i kickt out from the vsftpd |
| 09:37.23 | Gnea | soulfly: the bot doesn't know you. |
| 09:37.26 | HeavenWarrior | spdf, if i run an expert installation of Sarge - if there is something to configure my sound card |
| 09:37.46 | rixth | Gnea, yes I know, I've been to all those links. I want to know how to make my own. I have to do something with the initrd image |
| 09:37.49 | soulfly | Gnea: okay. maybe if I introduce myself :) |
| 09:37.51 | HeavenWarrior | spdf, go to #flood |
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| 09:38.17 | kab00m | hola people |
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| 09:38.21 | spdf | HeavenWarrior, I'm there.. |
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| 09:38.55 | Gnea | rixth: hrm, not sure.. |
| 09:39.00 | Gnea | soulfly: heh |
| 09:39.19 | faked | the font in amule (sid) is horrible, how can I change it? |
| 09:39.21 | silverton | hmm..... I'm having issues with QTParted... |
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| 09:39.33 | spdf | HeavenWarrior, Well, modules look fine.. |
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| 09:39.43 | djp | hi all. ok. i am currently using ubuntu hoary. i have just read free as in freedom by rms. i feel the urge to switch to debian because of this. do people here feel that would be worthwhile or a waste of time? the reason i ask is that i note ubuntu do not call their release gnu/linux. any advice welcomed. |
| 09:39.46 | rayen | hi, does somebody know how I could get a list of Services which are being started on my system (such as, apache,GDM,..) |
| 09:39.55 | silverton | It isn't letting me delete three partitions... |
| 09:40.01 | streuner | faked: all apps which havent a function to change fonts, just edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then |
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| 09:40.08 | peterS | djp: as far as I'm concerned this is a completely superficial reason |
| 09:40.08 | sussudio | djp: #ubuntu |
| 09:40.11 | spdf | HeavenWarrior, Are you only getting this message on reboot/shutdown? |
| 09:40.15 | djp | edit: free as in freedom about rms but by another author who i forget at present... (apologies to author!) |
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| 09:40.18 | dondelelcaro | djp: most of ubuntu is based on Debian anyway, so with the exception of the non-free parts, there's really no difference. |
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| 09:40.32 | Gnea | djp: ubuntu is based upon debian, it is not debian per se, much like knoppix/kanotix/elive/etcetcetc... |
| 09:40.33 | Donno459 | Where can i place a bash script to run on start up? |
| 09:40.45 | pipeline | dondelelcaro, djp : Uh, there are a lot of differences. And the non-free parts are pretty core to the distribution. |
| 09:40.48 | sussudio | Donno459: man update.rc-d |
| 09:41.01 | streuner | Donno459: or/and /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 09:41.03 | faked | streuner: hmm.. I use kde, all fonts are ok, but only the font in amule isn't, what should I change in XF86Config? |
| 09:41.05 | Gnea | djp: Richard Stallman? |
| 09:41.10 | peterS | djp: if you feel strongly about a naming convention that recognises the FSF but doesn't similarly recognise other contributors to Debian / Ubuntu, fine. I don't see the point, and I don't see why that would dictate my choice of distribution |
| 09:41.12 | Donno459 | thanks |
| 09:41.14 | pipeline | dondelelcaro, djp : Canonical's business is predicated upon their monopoly control of the non-free portions. |
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| 09:41.28 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: eh? try again? |
| 09:41.35 | streuner | faked: KDE 'handle' those fonts itself? |
| 09:41.41 | soulfly | if I want to do a purge but has allready done a remove with dpkg. What is the step to remove the configuration files? |
| 09:41.46 | streuner | faked: ... |
| 09:41.58 | Gnea | soulfly: dpkg --purge <packagename> |
| 09:42.01 | Guerin | streuner: dpkg -P |
| 09:42.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:42.10 | Guerin | streuner: sorry, again. |
| 09:42.15 | faked | streuner: oh yes, kde handle's fonts itself, you're right, ok I will try to change my XF86Config, thx |
| 09:42.18 | streuner | Guerin: hehe :-) |
| 09:42.21 | HeavenWarrior | spdf, nope |
| 09:42.35 | spdf | HeavenWarrior, When do you see the message? |
| 09:42.36 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Launchpad? |
| 09:42.37 | streuner | Guerin: iam prolly not the only one with a new keyboard :-) |
| 09:42.38 | peterS | djp: for the record I'm perfectly happy with debian proper. but I understand ubuntu is a fine distribution too. on technical merits there just aren't that many differences |
| 09:42.41 | spdf | HeavenWarrior, And.. Do you have sound? |
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| 09:42.56 | djp | thanks all |
| 09:43.00 | soulfly | Gnea: thanks.. stupid me for not testing.. Maybe I assumed apt-get --purge shoud do it |
| 09:43.06 | HeavenWarrior | spdf, nope |
| 09:43.13 | HeavenWarrior | wait for a while |
| 09:43.18 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: have you been following -devel at all? just because something is not available currently and is under development doesn't instantly make it non-free. And that's not part of the distribution anyway. |
| 09:43.21 | spdf | HeavenWarrior, Wait for what? |
| 09:43.28 | pipeline | dondelelcaro, djp : Debian is free, top to bottom. Ubuntu is only possible /because/ debian is free, even the portions used to develop debian. Were the poisitions reversed, you would not be able to make that change. |
| 09:44.10 | Guerin | streuner: nope, had this laptop since 2001 ... no excuses. |
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| 09:44.22 | faked | streuner: I'll try to install other xfonts... |
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| 09:44.46 | streuner | faked: play with 75dpi and 100dpi and misc |
| 09:44.50 | Gnea | soulfly: we all learn at some point :) |
| 09:44.54 | paulswm | rayen: apache and gdm aren't services, but you can see everything that's started at various runlevels by examining the /etc/rcX.d/S... links to scripts in /etc/init.d, for further info man init and see debian Policy manual, also man update-rc.d |
| 09:45.03 | Guerin | AIUI, LaunchPad isn't so much non-free as it is unreleased. |
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| 09:45.05 | djp | pipeline: how many cd's are needed if i was to download debian? (the latest release in particular) |
| 09:45.06 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: it's quite a bit more complex than that. Debian is free because the parts that go into it are, and we won't accept non-free parts in the actual distribution. If you subtract the non-free parts from Ubuntu, you're pretty much left with the same stuff. |
| 09:45.14 | spdf | djp, one |
| 09:45.23 | djp | spdf: thanks :) |
| 09:45.25 | popey | djp just the first one |
| 09:45.25 | faked | streuner: ok, thx |
| 09:45.27 | pipeline | djp: Just one. The "netinst" CD has the most minimal debian system on the CD. |
| 09:45.28 | Bazzi | djp: from one to 14. |
| 09:45.30 | streuner | faked: first line counts |
| 09:45.31 | spdf | djp, Anything else can be easily downloaded.. |
| 09:45.40 | pipeline | djp: It's about a hundred megabytes, and contains enough to get a fully operational debian system and nothing more. |
| 09:45.40 | silverton | pipeline, no it doesn't, the businesscard CD does |
| 09:45.54 | streuner | faked: section fonts in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 09:45.59 | pipeline | silverton: I thought the businesscard CD only had the installer on it (??) |
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| 09:46.15 | silverton | oh right, it technically has a "debian system" on it ;P |
| 09:46.25 | silverton | but the 100MB netinst has "base" |
| 09:46.45 | faked | streuner: do I have to restart X to make changes affect? |
| 09:46.47 | pipeline | oh, I didn't know the business card had enough packages to bootstrap. |
| 09:46.51 | silverton | faked, normally |
| 09:46.54 | streuner | faked: yes |
| 09:47.01 | pipeline | I thought it was just installer + udebs :P |
| 09:47.06 | silverton | pipeline, the businesscard image has enough to get network up to download EVERYTHING |
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| 09:47.21 | Guerin | the businesscard doesn't contain base - it's hardly a fully-functional system |
| 09:47.23 | pipeline | silverton: The netinst doesn't even require the network. |
| 09:47.42 | silverton | pipeline, it kind of helps to get the box functional... |
| 09:47.46 | pipeline | Which makes it a bit misleadingly titled |
| 09:47.56 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: it's actually the other way around. netinst >> businesscard |
| 09:47.58 | pipeline | Perhaps it should just be called THE debian CD. |
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| 09:48.12 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: netinst right shift businesscard? |
| 09:48.34 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: no, netinst is almost an order of magnitude larger than the businesscard iso. |
| 09:48.40 | pipeline | That's the point |
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| 09:48.47 | pipeline | It contains a full debian |
| 09:48.52 | pipeline | the business card is enough to install the system :P |
| 09:49.03 | pipeline | netinst is what most people actually want, is it not? |
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| 09:49.14 | silverton | pipeline, it's probably the easiest ;P |
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| 09:49.19 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: yes. the businesscard iso is hidden. |
| 09:49.22 | faked | installing new xfonts helped |
| 09:49.24 | Guerin | if you KNOW your network card will work out of the box, the businesscard is fine. |
| 09:49.30 | silverton | dondelelcaro, no it isn't =/ |
| 09:49.42 | dondelelcaro | silverton: sure it is. |
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| 09:49.48 | silverton | Not the last I saw. |
| 09:49.49 | dondelelcaro | silverton: you won't find it trivially from debian.org/CD |
| 09:49.52 | djp | my worry is and has always been... that i will be out of my depth installing debian. the reason i say this is that i gather with the 1 cd download i will not get a configured gnome system etc, that will get me up and running 'out of the box' so to speak? i have only started using gnu/linux since october of last year, moving from easy distros like suse, fc3 to ubuntu. i have always wanted to give debian a go, but have been put of |
| 09:49.52 | djp | f by certain references by people in regards it's advanced user nature... |
| 09:49.58 | pipeline | Maybe I'm coddled by having cable. I'm willing to download an extra 60M to have a reasonably complete set of packages on one disc. |
| 09:50.13 | Guerin | djp: cd1 has X and gnome on it |
| 09:50.24 | pipeline | djp: After you get the thing installed (it uses the same installer as ubuntu) gnome is only an "apt-get install x-window-system gnome-desktop-environment" away. |
| 09:50.52 | dondelelcaro | although, the other link has it... |
| 09:50.59 | dobby | hey guy little question, why can't i login as ftp user when i have in my passwd /bin/false? |
| 09:51.20 | Guerin | dobby: if /bin/false in /etc/shells |
| 09:51.20 | Guerin | ? |
| 09:51.25 | Guerin | IS |
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| 09:51.33 | Guerin | christ, my typing is bad |
| 09:52.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
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| 09:52.44 | paulswm | djp: If you choose "desktop" from the netinst, you will have a fully functioning gnome system. You will get a lot of extra stuff (like kde) that you can then remove. Or install one of the other system choices, then install x and gnome afterwards. |
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| 09:52.56 | dobby | Guerin: what shell would you recomemnd for ftp users? |
| 09:53.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | bash |
| 09:54.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | or if you want to be nasty, dash |
| 09:54.12 | renzop | Hi in postfix |
| 09:54.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol or csh |
| 09:54.18 | renzop | I have Jun 12 04:55:27 correo postfix/qmgr[2687]: 261002F1180: from=<>, size=2412, nrcpt=1 (queue active) |
| 09:54.19 | Guerin | dobby: /bin/false would be fine as long as it's in /etc/shells |
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| 09:54.25 | renzop | from=<> |
| 09:54.27 | Guerin | no |
| 09:54.34 | renzop | whaeb I send mail ashdhhh |
| 09:54.35 | Guerin | ftp users shouldn't have a valid shell |
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| 09:54.57 | Guerin | renzop: #postfix |
| 09:55.12 | dobby | Guerin: why isn't the /bin/false not standard in /etc/shells ? |
| 09:55.21 | renzop | # postix sleeping |
| 09:56.03 | djp | thanks again |
| 09:56.14 | Guerin | dobby: the hell I know. |
| 09:56.32 | dobby | Guerin: :-) Hey thanks for your help |
| 09:56.45 | Guerin | renzop: wait until they wake up. |
| 09:58.32 | paulswm | dammit, I missed the opportunity to tell dobby why he should *not* put /bin/fasle into /etc/shells |
| 09:58.58 | Guerin | why's that? |
| 09:59.12 | caphuso | because it's misspelled ;-) |
| 09:59.19 | Guerin | ... |
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| 09:59.49 | paulswm | The reason it's not in /etc/shells is because, if it were, you could use chsh to change your login shell to it, and you would then be fucked until an SA sorted it out for you. |
| 10:00.07 | dopey | thats a good idea, though |
| 10:00.19 | Guerin | paulswm: what do you recommend for ftp users? |
| 10:00.23 | paulswm | /etc/shells is only used by chsh AFAIK |
| 10:00.27 | paulswm | /bin/false |
| 10:00.30 | caphuso | paulswm: and ftpds |
| 10:00.32 | paulswm | Guerin: /bin/false |
| 10:00.36 | dopey | paulswm: and pam_shells iirc |
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| 10:00.54 | Guerin | but a ftp user's shell needs to be in /etc/shells for that user to log in |
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| 10:01.15 | HeavenWarrior | !alsa |
| 10:01.15 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 10:01.24 | Guerin | and changing your shell to /bin/false clearly qualifies as 'you stupid fucker, what did you do that for?' |
| 10:01.38 | avalente | lol |
| 10:01.41 | paulswm | Guerin: I didn't think that ftpds looked at that but now I see from the manpage that they do. |
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| 10:02.25 | paulswm | OK, I withdraw everything I just said, except that it id bad that one is forced to allow chsh to switch to /bin/false |
| 10:03.01 | bernouli | how can i installl debian without using debootstrap |
| 10:03.04 | dopey | " dont give a user anything with sharp edges, they'll just hurt themselves with it " |
| 10:03.17 | paulswm | !downtime |
| 10:03.18 | dpkg | methinks downtime is the time during which a computer system is immune to user input. |
| 10:03.18 | Guerin | bernouli: cd? |
| 10:03.25 | bernouli | Guerin, without cd? |
| 10:03.39 | Guerin | bernouli: floppies? |
| 10:03.42 | streuner | Guerin: /msg dpkg ig |
| 10:03.50 | Guerin | streuner: thanks, mate. |
| 10:03.53 | streuner | bernouli: /msg dpkg ig |
| 10:03.55 | streuner | haha |
| 10:04.00 | streuner | Guerin: sorry |
| 10:04.03 | Guerin | !rube goldberg install |
| 10:04.03 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 10:04.09 | bernouli | Guerin, i can download anything, but no drives and debootstrap |
| 10:04.26 | Guerin | bernouli: take the disk out and put it in another machine |
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| 10:04.54 | bernouli | Guerin, actually i am trying to install debian as guest host on xen |
| 10:05.02 | bernouli | i successfully install and start xen |
| 10:05.09 | Guerin | on what host? |
| 10:05.18 | bernouli | Guerin, on xen |
| 10:05.28 | bernouli | debian as guest-host |
| 10:05.50 | bernouli | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/xen |
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| 10:06.08 | Guerin | ok. Bearing in mind that I know next to nothing about xen, why can't you use debootstrap? |
| 10:06.54 | drasko | hi all. When logging in gnome I can not select any language but English. Where to change that? |
| 10:06.55 | bernouli | Guerin, because i dont use debian, i run other linux-distro, there i install xen, now i want to create a guest-host with debian |
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| 10:07.10 | tico | hello when do i have to install the software and add-ons in /opt? |
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| 10:07.44 | Guerin | bernouli: ok, I have no idea then. I clearly don't understand how this all works. |
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| 10:07.53 | bernouli | http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2004-10/msg00260.html |
| 10:08.15 | Guerin | technos: install stuff that's distributed in binaries only, and not by debian, in /opt |
| 10:08.20 | Subvertir | Hello! I'd like to install Debian on several machines located in a storage warehouse somewhere within a 400 mile radius of Berlin. The machines are not powered on, do not have monitors, hard drives, keyboards, or even processors necessarily. Can anyone help? |
| 10:08.21 | bernouli | if you read point 5, they said we can install debian with debootstrap, or downloading manually |
| 10:08.23 | brosio | how could i automount dvd and cd ? |
| 10:08.38 | Guerin | bernouli: use gnome-vfs or somesuch? |
| 10:08.44 | bob2 | Subvertir: I hear gentoo works great on situations like that! |
| 10:08.54 | bob2 | Subvertir: plus, it'll help warm your warehouse. |
| 10:08.59 | bob2 | brosio: are you using gnome? |
| 10:09.06 | brosio | bob2, nop kde |
| 10:09.27 | drasko | hi all. When logging in gnome I can not select any language but English. Where to change that? |
| 10:09.40 | Guerin | bernouli: um, where does it say that you can just download a debian base manually, without debootstrap? |
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| 10:10.14 | Guerin | bernouli: and what's the problem with using the debootstrap line that they specifically give you...? |
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| 10:10.40 | bernouli | Guerin, you are right, we can only use other http/ftp mirror |
| 10:11.07 | bernouli | Guerin, the problem is, i can not use debootstrap, since there is no debootsrap in my system |
| 10:11.13 | bob2 | brosio: kde3 has a thing like gnome which does that, but I'm not sure of the details...#debian-kde might know more |
| 10:11.15 | dondelelcaro | bernouli: so install debootstrap |
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| 10:11.31 | streuner | !debootstrap |
| 10:11.31 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
| 10:11.54 | bernouli | dondelelcaro, can i install it, if i dont use debian? |
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| 10:11.59 | dondelelcaro | bernouli: yes. |
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| 10:12.55 | bernouli | dondelelcaro, how? |
| 10:13.11 | dondelelcaro | bernouli: build it or get a binary. google is your friend. |
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| 10:13.48 | bernouli | ok |
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| 10:16.22 | dobby | i try to get working sshd on port 443 but when i connect to it from outside the lan, i get a protocoll missmatch. How can i prevent that. I have listening on 443 in my sshd_config and the router forwards it to my ssh box. Any ideas? |
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| 10:16.49 | dondelelcaro | dobby: why 443? |
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| 10:16.59 | rixth | 443 is SSL.... |
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| 10:17.10 | bob2 | presumably to evade a firewall |
| 10:17.21 | bob2 | lots of places tend to let 443 through unproxied, but block everything else |
| 10:17.23 | rixth | Where can I view the messages that come up when Debian boots? |
| 10:17.31 | avalente | dobby: check for proxy |
| 10:17.41 | rixth | I made a rather nice Etch bootscreen but I can't see to get it to display |
| 10:17.47 | dobby | avalente: i dont have a proxy :-) |
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| 10:17.54 | paulswm | Any idea why the main US mirror doesn't have the Contens-*.gz files for anything except stable? |
| 10:17.56 | avalente | rixth: enable BOOTLOG, /var/log/boot |
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| 10:18.13 | rixth | How do I enable bootlog? |
| 10:18.13 | avalente | dobby: from where you are accessing your box? |
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| 10:18.30 | bob2 | dobby: "nc" or telnet to the port from outseide your lan |
| 10:18.36 | avalente | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.37 | bob2 | dobby: does the string you get mention openssh? |
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| 10:19.06 | bernouli | i try to unzip debootstrap from here http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/debootstrap/ |
| 10:19.21 | avalente | it could be some proxy on the other side.. because 443 is SSL.. |
| 10:19.23 | bernouli | but when i try to unzip, it asks for password ??? |
| 10:19.56 | dobby | bob2: hmm that strange, port is forwarded to 443 on my dlink router, but does not forward it to my ssh box. Thanks bob2 thats the problem |
| 10:20.01 | avalente | rixth: /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 10:20.09 | rixth | I've enabled it, thanks |
| 10:20.27 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: uh, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/ has them... |
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| 10:20.58 | Seto | hmm , I don't know if it was the good chanel , but I ask , what is the best way to administrate (install software) on different windowsxp machine from a debian machine § |
| 10:21.04 | Seto | vnc § |
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| 10:21.12 | rixth | How can I add files into the initrd? |
| 10:21.22 | bob2 | not easily |
| 10:21.29 | bob2 | what are you tryign to add? |
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| 10:21.44 | rixth | =/ I need to get this damn image in so I can use bootsplash with it. |
| 10:21.51 | bob2 | ah |
| 10:22.01 | llama32 | i cant install stuff with apt-get because i have broken package versions (as in packages that need libs that arent installed and such). How can i make apt-get not care? can i at all? "fixing" the packages is not an option |
| 10:22.25 | rixth | All I can seem to get is the theme with Tux. |
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| 10:22.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | llama32, not easily iirc |
| 10:22.57 | avalente | llama32: can't you install the missing libs? |
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| 10:23.56 | dobby | ok ssh on port 443 works but now i have an nother problem, I get to the login prompt, can put in username and password. But than it hangs up. Do i have to insert special values in may ssh_confd to login from outside the lan? |
| 10:24.14 | bob2 | no |
| 10:24.31 | liable | rixth: doesnt bootsplash ask you which initrd you want to add it too? |
| 10:24.32 | dobby | hmm |
| 10:24.46 | rixth | rixth, yes, but I want to add my own image (already made) |
| 10:24.51 | bob2 | dobby: read /var/log/auth.loh |
| 10:25.00 | bob2 | dobby: then try making a new user and try logging in as them |
| 10:25.18 | llama32 | avalente: not an option... i installed a whole heap of crap [good crap though] off a cd, which replaced packages with slightly different versions, everything still works fine, but apt-get wont handle it... im on dialup, and it seems to be a lot of packages that are broken |
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| 10:25.43 | liable | rixth: dont bother, you'll screw your uptime, cause you'll want to keep seeing your bootsplash :) |
| 10:26.10 | avalente | dobby: see if you AllowUsers to that one.. in sshd_config |
| 10:26.37 | rixth | liable, hahaha :) http://spectrumenterprises.org/etch.jpg who wouldn't? :) |
| 10:26.56 | rixth | Well, it's kinda a composite of two bacgrounds with text added. |
| 10:27.46 | liable | rixth: nice :) |
| 10:27.47 | avalente | llama32: humm... hard one then... revert to the old packages is out of option as well? |
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| 10:28.03 | rixth | liable, but I want it for me bootscreen! |
| 10:29.18 | llama32 | avalente: yeah i guess... anyway i just downloaded and installed the package i wanted manually so its ok for the time being |
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| 10:29.43 | liable | rixth: no ideas here, gave up on bootsplash a while ago. Go to bootsplash.de and try and did some info up, or join a mailing list to see how to get it to patch.? |
| 10:30.14 | rixth | liable, I've got it installing fine, but I always get the default Tux image. |
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| 10:30.34 | avalente | but it's not ok for the future.. maybe you'll have to make a list of the installed packages (from the CD) and download them from a mirror and replace them |
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| 10:31.05 | krisskiller | ? |
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| 10:31.46 | avalente | gotta go* bbl* |
| 10:32.26 | bob2 | llama32: if you're going to install random crap, you need to fix it yourself (ie make the packages not suck) |
| 10:32.31 | bob2 | or get whoever made them to fix it |
| 10:32.36 | bob2 | apt can't work in a screwed system |
| 10:33.05 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: etch doesn't have them , and I'm usre sid didn't when I looked yesterday |
| 10:33.23 | paulswm | Anyway, etch is what I'm running |
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| 10:33.56 | liable | rixth: the little one at the top of the screen? |
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| 10:34.30 | cusco | hi... how do I make mozilla-firefox (that I just installed) the default gnome browser? |
| 10:35.53 | liable | cusco: gotta be in the gnome control panel there somewhere. |
| 10:36.04 | rixth | liable, no, the whole rightside |
| 10:36.12 | rixth | http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/26/1.php << looks promising |
| 10:36.33 | liable | rixth: oh, k, thought you might have just had the boot logo thing. |
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| 10:43.49 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: i forget when the Contents are generated, but it's probable that the cronjob that makes them hasn't run yet. |
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| 10:46.02 | Zambba | How can I get my ATI Radeon 7500 working in Debian? |
| 10:46.08 | nick01 | I'm on sarge and I have 2 tempfs- what are those for ? |
| 10:46.34 | bob2 | install X |
| 10:46.35 | bob2 | enjoy! |
| 10:46.36 | nick01 | Zambba, u can't |
| 10:46.48 | nick01 | Zambba, not with ati's drivers |
| 10:46.55 | cusco | hi... is it easy to upgrade to gnome 2.10 ? |
| 10:47.06 | Guerin | but you can with the 'radeon' or 'vesa' driver, aiui |
| 10:47.09 | hejux_ | hi |
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| 10:47.14 | Xuse | gnome 2.10 isn't that great, anyway. |
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| 10:47.21 | Guerin | cusco: depends. |
| 10:47.27 | hejux_ | what irc clicent do you use ? |
| 10:47.31 | cusco | Xuse: why not? |
| 10:47.43 | cusco | Guerin: is there a how to, somehow' |
| 10:47.43 | nick01 | anyone knows what are those tempfs partitions for ? |
| 10:47.44 | cusco | =? |
| 10:47.45 | Xuse | They removed one of the most useful things, being able to edit the menus. |
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| 10:48.07 | Zambba | oh no |
| 10:48.13 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 10:48.25 | Zambba | Is there *any* way to get 3D accellaration working with R7500? |
| 10:48.27 | zumbi | !tell about tmpfs nick01 |
| 10:48.31 | Xuse | DO it! etch owns. |
| 10:48.39 | zumbi | !tell nick01 about tmpfs |
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| 10:48.52 | sh4dowcat | Xuse: very funny |
| 10:48.54 | hejux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.00 | Guerin | cusco: gnome 2.10 is only in unstable at the moment |
| 10:49.00 | sh4dowcat | I just took a look at the updates in etch |
| 10:49.03 | sh4dowcat | now a whole lot |
| 10:49.05 | Zambba | hejux_: Who? |
| 10:49.05 | sh4dowcat | not* |
| 10:49.08 | bob2 | hejux_: everyone uses irssi-text |
| 10:49.14 | cusco | Guerin: oh.. |
| 10:49.21 | Guerin | c in a week opr two it'll be in etch, and then it'll be peasy to get |
| 10:49.30 | Xuse | sh4dowcat yeah but i went to sleep last night and already 10 new updates when i woke up! ;p |
| 10:49.46 | sh4dowcat | Xuse: heh ya Stable is getting boring |
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| 10:49.55 | Xuse | yep yep. :) |
| 10:50.02 | sh4dowcat | my other box Shadowcat is running stable though |
| 10:50.11 | sh4dowcat | and it's gonna stay there since it's a server |
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| 10:50.16 | Xuse | yeah. |
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| 10:50.39 | Xuse | I had to use etch for a newer kernel anyway. |
| 10:50.46 | sh4dowcat | so did they change the amount of architectures in debian for etch? |
| 10:50.54 | sh4dowcat | They were talking about reducing it from 11 to 3 |
| 10:51.10 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: not yet. |
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| 10:51.21 | Xuse | Ugh and don't read slashdot, so many people flaming debian. it makes me so angry. |
| 10:51.25 | sh4dowcat | Guerin: are they eveer? |
| 10:51.28 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: it's the sort of thing which will require a GR, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 10:51.30 | sh4dowcat | ever* |
| 10:51.34 | sh4dowcat | GR? |
| 10:51.51 | sh4dowcat | Xuse: I op a Windows channel on another network |
| 10:51.54 | Guerin | Xuse: it's not the flames that piss me off, it's the clueless people talking like they know something about it. The misinformation. |
| 10:51.58 | sh4dowcat | so slashdot would be the last thing I read |
| 10:52.07 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: general resolution of debian developers; a vote. |
| 10:52.15 | sh4dowcat | Guerin: ah |
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| 10:52.25 | Xuse | Guerin the main thing that annoys me is people saying debian is not suitable for desktop use. |
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| 10:52.32 | sh4dowcat | i.e. the top 20 idlers in here I guess |
| 10:52.53 | Guerin | Xuse: that would be misinformation |
| 10:52.59 | sh4dowcat | Linux version 2.6.11.11-0-pentium-m (root@lockheed) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Wed Jun 1 17:29:23 CEST 2005 |
| 10:53.05 | sh4dowcat | that one line proves otherwise |
| 10:53.06 | Xuse | yep. |
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| 10:53.17 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: no, the 1000 or so people who make debian, the vast majority of whom aren't in here |
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| 10:53.49 | sh4dowcat | Guerin: heh |
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| 10:54.18 | sh4dowcat | personally I wouldn't say no to some of the ubuntu model being "backported" to debian proper |
| 10:54.27 | cusco | its just.. im missing a feature from gnome, to be able to add a shortcut key for launching a console |
| 10:54.48 | sh4dowcat | cusco: there's a reason I use KDE |
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| 10:55.23 | rixth | So if I had bootlogd running where did the log go? |
| 10:55.28 | Xuse | I say no to anything ubuntu getting put into debian but that's just because i hate ubuntu. |
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| 10:55.49 | sh4dowcat | Xuse: why so? |
| 10:55.59 | sh4dowcat | they share a bunch of maintainers |
| 10:55.59 | robert | where can i get a list of official and unofficial sarge apt repos? |
| 10:56.04 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: if you've only started using debian in the past ~6 months, you won't have gotten a real idea of what it's like. testing and unstable have been on the go-slow pending the release of sarge. |
| 10:56.24 | sh4dowcat | robert: on debian.org |
| 10:56.30 | galois | did the way sockets work change with sarge? |
| 10:56.31 | robert | sh4dowcat, er, yeah |
| 10:56.40 | Xuse | I do not like the community and that they are trying to steal debians user base. but that's just what i think. |
| 10:56.42 | robert | do you have the url directly to the list ? i've been searching all over |
| 10:56.43 | sh4dowcat | Guerin: nah I started out in 2001 |
| 10:56.46 | Guerin | robert: apt-setup gets you the official ones ; i rather doubt there are many unofficial yet, but backports.org will get there eventually |
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| 10:57.11 | rixth | So if I had bootlogd running where did the log go? |
| 10:57.15 | robert | specifically i'm looking for fluxbox... |
| 10:57.16 | sh4dowcat | and they were advertising Sarge back then as well |
| 10:57.25 | galois | Guerin: doesn't apt.org have a searchable list? |
| 10:57.27 | sh4dowcat | Xuse: I hate to admnit it |
| 10:57.34 | sh4dowcat | but ubuntu IS more user friendly at first |
| 10:57.49 | sh4dowcat | mostly because they include X, Gnome, OpenOffice etc on one cd |
| 10:57.56 | Guerin | i don't hate ubuntu; i just think their emphasis is so different from debian's that not a lot of useful policy can be adopted. Packages, patches, dev time, sure. |
| 10:58.01 | robert | Xuse, actually, ubuntu is what brought me *back* to Debian |
| 10:58.07 | robert | as soon as Sarge was released I installed it |
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| 10:58.16 | Guerin | galois: apt-get.org has been flakey. Maybe it's fixed now. |
| 10:58.18 | robert | hadn't used it since woody |
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| 10:58.24 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: sorry for delayed reply, thanks for info, I first noticed this yesterday about 17 hours ago, I'll keep an eye out. |
| 10:58.26 | dopey | robert: i'd asking in #fluxbox |
| 10:58.31 | Xuse | Ubuntu like to customize packages aswell i've noticed. |
| 10:58.34 | Xuse | I hate that. |
| 10:58.35 | galois | Guerin: ah, ok |
| 10:58.42 | Guerin | Xuse: why? |
| 10:58.46 | sh4dowcat | Xuse: they have a different package arragement |
| 10:58.53 | sh4dowcat | arrangement* |
| 10:58.55 | sh4dowcat | different names |
| 10:59.00 | Guerin | Xuse: it's free software, they can do what they want to the place, and god speed to them. |
| 10:59.07 | Xuse | Because if i want to customize something i'll do it myself. |
| 10:59.09 | dopey | robert: s/asking/suggest asking/ |
| 10:59.13 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 10:59.17 | cusco | sh4dowcat: I prefer gnome to kde |
| 10:59.19 | sh4dowcat | Xuse, the debian purist |
| 10:59.33 | sh4dowcat | cusco: only time I use gnome is when I use Fedora Core |
| 10:59.52 | renzop | suse or debian this is the problem ? |
| 10:59.57 | cusco | sh4dowcat: and I only used kde when I used suse |
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| 11:00.08 | renzop | because debian and not suse |
| 11:00.19 | Xuse | same. |
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| 11:00.21 | robert | dopey, thanks, didn't know flux would have such a big userbase =] |
| 11:00.27 | sh4dowcat | if Novell was the last software company on earth |
| 11:00.37 | sh4dowcat | I'd start coding my own os from scratch using a binary dip stick |
| 11:00.38 | robert | suse enterprise is alright |
| 11:00.44 | cusco | if kde was the last wm on earth.. (bla bla) :P |
| 11:00.51 | renzop | but if suse not paid |
| 11:00.55 | galois | wht coudl be stopping samba workign under sarge when it worked fine under woody? The daemon is up and running, but machines cannot connect? |
| 11:01.20 | sh4dowcat | galois: the fact that Windows takes around 15 to find the server again? |
| 11:01.24 | sh4dowcat | 15 min |
| 11:01.47 | galois | sh4dowcat: this is a little longer and the machine has been restaretd |
| 11:01.57 | sh4dowcat | weird |
| 11:02.03 | sh4dowcat | checked your config file? |
| 11:02.07 | galois | in addition the server has same IP, etc so shoudl still be fine |
| 11:02.15 | galois | sh4dowcat: yup, config file is ok |
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| 11:02.27 | galois | responds to a local smbcontrol ping |
| 11:02.30 | sh4dowcat | galois: there's always been a bit of woodoo attempting to network Windows machines together |
| 11:02.35 | galois | gets cannot open socket errors |
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| 11:04.33 | Guerin | Xuse: given the nick, are you ex-suse? |
| 11:04.35 | Kerr | if eject opens the cd tray, is there a command to, uh; uneject? |
| 11:04.47 | Guerin | Kerr: man eject :) |
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| 11:05.07 | Xuse | Guerin nope. |
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| 11:05.31 | sh4dowcat | there |
| 11:05.33 | Guerin | suse is the only one of the major distros I haven't used |
| 11:05.37 | zdom | !love |
| 11:05.37 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 11:05.55 | Guerin | and I have no intention of doing so, on account of 1) yast 2) novell |
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| 11:06.15 | sh4dowcat | Guerin: my high school used Novell Netware |
| 11:06.32 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: one of my old jobs, I had to use GroupWise |
| 11:06.40 | Guerin | people used to call it GroupFool |
| 11:06.42 | sh4dowcat | that pretty much sums up how much I "like" Novell |
| 11:06.56 | Kerr | Guerin: ah, didn't think mount could do that |
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| 11:06.57 | Xuse | http://xuse.co.jp/ < my nick comes from there. |
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| 11:07.10 | sh4dowcat | Guerin: it took me all of 10 min to gain admin privledges on that network |
| 11:07.13 | sh4dowcat | so ya |
| 11:07.22 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:07.23 | Guerin | well |
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| 11:07.25 | tarzeau | Xuse: would you do some tranlation to .jp ? |
| 11:07.41 | tarzeau | Xuse: i also have a en->jp dictionary that needs be tested .. |
| 11:08.18 | Xuse | I don't know any japanese. =/ |
| 11:08.27 | Lorvija | hey, been trying to apt-get update but i get this error, been the same for few weeks.. Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
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| 11:08.35 | Guerin | at my current job, the admin computers are win98 machines in the server room, where there are a few redhat and solaris 7 boxen, and on the desktop of one of these win98 boxen, there's a copy of the /etc/passwd file from the main router box... |
| 11:08.40 | Guerin | no idea why it's there |
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| 11:08.49 | Guerin | !testing security |
| 11:08.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing security is not supported, or ask me about testing security issues |
| 11:09.04 | Lorvija | Guerin right.. but it did work earlier? (: |
| 11:09.12 | Guerin | dpkg, no, testing security is <reply> see testing security issues |
| 11:09.12 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 11:09.22 | Guerin | Lorvija: yeah, when sarge was testing. It ain't now. |
| 11:09.28 | Lorvija | Guerin okay |
| 11:09.30 | grimdonkey | where can I get a list of packages for each of the sarge cd images? |
| 11:09.31 | Lorvija | thanks |
| 11:09.36 | zdom | change testing to sarge |
| 11:09.54 | Lorvija | zdom okay thanks |
| 11:10.12 | Lorvija | off now > |
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| 11:10.55 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 11:10.56 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. |
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| 11:11.16 | grimdonkey | Guerin: thanks |
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| 11:11.30 | zdom | Anyone know AMD64 Sarge image released yet or not? |
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| 11:11.59 | ikonia | zdom I'm using it now |
| 11:12.14 | mikaEL` | is there a plugin for XMMS to display the current playlist entry in the GAIM status ?? |
| 11:12.32 | zdom | where can i get it? |
| 11:12.36 | zdom | is it official? |
| 11:12.40 | Xuse | I still can't believe people use XMMS. |
| 11:12.42 | resiak | !fgi mikaEL` gaim+xmms |
| 11:12.42 | dpkg | mikaEL`: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=gaim+xmms |
| 11:12.51 | ikonia | zdom I got it from alioth |
| 11:12.54 | ikonia | not official yet |
| 11:13.04 | bob2 | Xuse: beats most other gui programs |
| 11:13.05 | ikonia | according to docs amd64 will be official from etch |
| 11:13.14 | Guerin | if you need a point-and-drool, xmms is still the best player |
| 11:13.17 | Xuse | bob2 in what ways? |
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| 11:13.30 | cusco | Im having some sound problems... I just installed debian |
| 11:13.35 | bob2 | Xuse: stable, simple, doesn't skip, remote contrallable |
| 11:13.36 | cusco | xmms doesn't play |
| 11:13.43 | Guerin | it's stable, it's got a massive shitload of plugins, it's pretty easy to work |
| 11:13.48 | cusco | the only output plugin it plays is with alsa |
| 11:13.49 | Xuse | bob2 have you tried quodlibet? |
| 11:13.51 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 11:13.51 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 11:13.54 | cusco | and no noise comes out |
| 11:13.55 | Skiver | hi, what program can read *.pdb files ? |
| 11:13.57 | Guerin | quodlibet? |
| 11:14.01 | zdom | ikonia can u give me the link? |
| 11:14.06 | bob2 | Xuse: I don't want to install mono to occassionally play music |
| 11:14.10 | Guerin | Skiver: depends what they are |
| 11:14.20 | Xuse | Great audio player comes with a tagger too, no doesn't require mono only python. |
| 11:14.25 | bob2 | ah |
| 11:14.39 | Skiver | Guerin : AportisDoc file "\271F\244\345\246\350\261K\275X" |
| 11:14.40 | bob2 | Xuse: does it have a shell, ala xmms-shell? |
| 11:14.45 | Skiver | output of "file" |
| 11:14.49 | Guerin | Skiver: good luck with that |
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| 11:14.59 | Guerin | Skiver: google is probably your only friend here |
| 11:15.03 | cusco | Guerin: nothing happens when I do cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 11:15.06 | cusco | it doesn't fail tho |
| 11:15.09 | Guerin | Skiver: or you could try 'strings' |
| 11:15.14 | Xuse | bob2 i doubt it, but you could always have a look. http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet |
| 11:15.16 | Guerin | cusco: turn your mixer up |
| 11:15.38 | ikonia | zdom hang on |
| 11:15.46 | zdom | ikonia thx |
| 11:15.49 | cusco | Guerin: how? |
| 11:16.05 | ikonia | http://amd64.debian.net/ |
| 11:16.08 | Guerin | cusco: alsa? |
| 11:16.14 | cusco | there isn't the command alsamixer |
| 11:16.19 | resiak | !installit |
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| 11:16.20 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 11:16.26 | Guerin | cusco: are you using alsa? |
| 11:16.30 | Guerin | !wb resiak |
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| 11:16.31 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! resiak has returned! |
| 11:16.38 | theboneman | ol |
| 11:16.44 | Guerin | resiak: how's the wr0x going? |
| 11:17.20 | zdom | ikonia no cd image yet? |
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| 11:17.24 | ikonia | hang on |
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| 11:17.43 | resiak | Guerin: Blah, basically :) |
| 11:18.13 | ikonia | http://amd64.debian.net/debian-installer/2005-06-11/netboot/mini.iso |
| 11:18.18 | resiak | Guerin: Anyway, life just got better because it is now fryup time \o/ |
| 11:18.19 | sh4dowcat | damn |
| 11:18.23 | ikonia | zdom you can use that to build it over the net |
| 11:18.24 | rixth | Is there a liveCD (of any distro) that just includes distCC, the idea: put into several XP machines |
| 11:18.25 | sh4dowcat | Etch is advancing fast |
| 11:18.28 | ikonia | but read the docs first |
| 11:18.39 | resiak | *pouff* |
| 11:18.51 | zdom | ikonia how to do so? |
| 11:19.01 | zdom | ikonia what is this method? |
| 11:19.15 | ikonia | zdom download the ISO, burn it, boot it, configure apt to look at an AMD repo - your good to go |
| 11:19.23 | ikonia | I've not used debian for years until last night |
| 11:19.35 | ikonia | and I found it quite easy |
| 11:19.46 | sh4dowcat | ikonia: heh finally came back when Sarge got released? :P |
| 11:19.50 | zdom | icic |
| 11:19.58 | tarzeau | rixth: will you use livecd.gnustep.org if i put it onto the cd? |
| 11:20.03 | ikonia | not quite, but I thought it was worth a look on my test box |
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| 11:20.12 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 11:20.13 | Xuse | your supposed to stick with debian even through the tough times! |
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| 11:20.21 | zdom | http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/dists/sarge/ use this as repo? |
| 11:20.24 | ikonia | i never really got into it |
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| 11:20.28 | ikonia | zdom correct |
| 11:20.31 | mikaEL` | which linux distribution use the bsd style for runlevels ?? |
| 11:20.33 | sh4dowcat | tapes* |
| 11:20.39 | Guerin | resiak: i'm making salade niçoise avec salmon |
| 11:20.42 | ikonia | mikaEL there are a few |
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| 11:20.46 | Xuse | =( |
| 11:20.47 | Guerin | mikaEL`: slack |
| 11:20.47 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 11:20.49 | ikonia | and most you can make use bsd style |
| 11:20.52 | zdom | ikonia thousand thx! dinner first :) |
| 11:20.53 | sh4dowcat | speaking of Debian64 |
| 11:20.59 | ikonia | zdom no problem |
| 11:21.02 | hunger | See http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchTODOList for a summary of the Etch-related discussions on debian-devel. |
| 11:21.04 | sh4dowcat | is there an installer for debian64 that supports ReiserFS? |
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| 11:21.13 | bob2 | there's no such thing as "debian64" |
| 11:21.20 | sh4dowcat | debian AMD64 |
| 11:21.21 | bob2 | do you mean "the Debian amd64 port"? |
| 11:21.23 | jethro | a salade niçoise, sounds like a good idea |
| 11:21.24 | sh4dowcat | ya |
| 11:21.26 | hunger | Please fix typos there and add comments. |
| 11:21.28 | weasel | and nobody in their right mind wants reiserfs anyway |
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| 11:21.36 | bob2 | everytime someone makes that mistake, I want to hit them with a shovel |
| 11:21.40 | sh4dowcat | weasel: I run ReiserFS |
| 11:21.52 | sh4dowcat | bob2: ok noted |
| 11:21.54 | weasel | I'ld rather have my data, thanks |
| 11:22.04 | sh4dowcat | but anyway, does the installer support it yet? |
| 11:22.06 | bob2 | sh4dowcat: sarge supports installing onto reiserfs |
| 11:22.08 | bob2 | er |
| 11:22.12 | bob2 | even woody supported that |
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| 11:22.13 | bob2 | in 2002 |
| 11:22.25 | sh4dowcat | bob2: yes but last time I checked the Sarge AMD64 isntaller |
| 11:22.32 | sh4dowcat | it didn't have that choice |
| 11:22.35 | bob2 | yes, it does |
| 11:22.42 | sh4dowcat | hmm... which image did you use? |
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| 11:23.14 | bob2 | sarge |
| 11:23.14 | llama32 | anyone know of a good [preferably gtk/gnome based] IDE that isnt too lib or lang specific [i want to use for obj-c and java]? |
| 11:23.24 | sh4dowcat | bob2: from amd64.debian.org? |
| 11:23.26 | bob2 | llama32: emacs! |
| 11:23.28 | bob2 | sh4dowcat: no |
| 11:23.38 | tarzeau | llama32: oh for obj-c there's ProjectCenter and Gorm |
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| 11:23.47 | tarzeau | llama32: of course it's not gtk/gnome based |
| 11:24.35 | llama32 | bob2: i'd rather eat human excrement than use emacs... i dont mind vi though :) |
| 11:24.47 | sh4dowcat | bob2: where did you get your image then? |
| 11:24.57 | bob2 | sh4dowcat: dude, ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 11:25.04 | bob2 | I'm very very very sure it supports reiserfs |
| 11:25.11 | llama32 | tarzeau: im not too interested in GNUSTEP [any more], just obj-c |
| 11:25.39 | sh4dowcat | bob2: thanks |
| 11:25.49 | bob2 | you don't mean reiser4, do you? |
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| 11:26.17 | Zambba | If I go and buy a GeForce FX5500, can I get 3D accellaration working with it? |
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| 11:26.58 | jethro | Zambba: yes |
| 11:27.01 | mwe | Zambba: it should be possible |
| 11:27.01 | Xuse | http://wiki.debian.net/?LetUbuntuReleaseForUs what is this garbage. |
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| 11:27.16 | bob2 | it's a wiki |
| 11:27.21 | bob2 | anyone can put anything on there |
| 11:27.25 | Xuse | Yes i know that. |
| 11:27.33 | weasel | then why do you ask |
| 11:27.42 | Xuse | But i want to know who wrote that garbage. |
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| 11:27.57 | weasel | check the history of that page |
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| 11:29.25 | bernouli | i run debootstrap and got this error E: Couldn't download adduser |
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| 11:29.42 | jethro | bernouli: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 11:30.33 | tarzeau | Xuse: all that is not debian.org is not debian |
| 11:30.38 | tarzeau | Xuse: even if it's labeled so |
| 11:30.48 | jethro | !bubnbrossmite tarzeau |
| 11:30.53 | bernouli | jethro, i asked, but no reply |
| 11:30.53 | Xuse | ah that explains it then. |
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| 11:31.13 | jethro | bernouli: you didn't ask a question did you? you said you had an error with debootstrap |
| 11:31.20 | jethro | bernouli: /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 11:32.50 | bernouli | ok, let me formel it again, what should i do if i get this error E: Couldn't download adduser ? |
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| 11:33.03 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 11:33.09 | bob2 | when debootstrapping sarge? |
| 11:33.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | use useradd |
| 11:33.13 | bob2 | from an official mirror? |
| 11:33.17 | tarzeau | jethro: let's play? |
| 11:33.21 | sh4dowcat | still says debian 3.1 on etch |
| 11:33.21 | bernouli | bob2, exactly |
| 11:33.22 | bob2 | Kamping_Kaiser: that doesn't help him/her creat a debian chroot |
| 11:33.25 | sh4dowcat | guess that'll change soon eough |
| 11:33.26 | tarzeau | bernouli: which? |
| 11:33.28 | jethro | tarzeau: not yet, laundry undergoing |
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| 11:33.52 | bernouli | http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian |
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| 11:34.16 | bob2 | try ftp.debian.org |
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| 11:34.41 | bernouli | bob2, i still get the same error |
| 11:35.00 | bob2 | bernouli: for sarge, right? |
| 11:35.01 | Davix | what does it mean when i try to load the X and it sais "(EE) unable to find a valid framebuffer device" "(EE) Screens found but can not be used" "No screens found" ? |
| 11:35.12 | bernouli | bob2, right |
| 11:35.14 | jethro | Davix: you never want framebuffer for x |
| 11:35.18 | graeme | i'm looking for an smtp proxy just to forward mail during a server switch, do any of you have preference in SMTP proxies? |
| 11:35.18 | bob2 | !+noscreensfound |
| 11:35.18 | dpkg | i guess noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 11:35.28 | bob2 | graeme: postfix! |
| 11:35.37 | Davix | jethro i'll check to config file for framebuffer. |
| 11:35.49 | jethro | Davix: actually do what dpkg said |
| 11:35.59 | jethro | Davix: /msg dpkg +noscreesfound |
| 11:35.59 | Davix | ? what did it say? |
| 11:36.03 | jethro | Davix: scroll up :) |
| 11:36.03 | Davix | oh |
| 11:36.06 | graeme | bob2: and postfix is happy to act like a shunt to another server? |
| 11:36.47 | jethro | graeme: it doesn't care much |
| 11:36.48 | bob2 | graeme: sure |
| 11:36.56 | bernouli | http://paste.uni.cc/7215 is the complete msg |
| 11:37.38 | jethro | bernouli: W: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz was corrupt I don't think that helps |
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| 11:38.26 | jethro | bernouli: do you have a workig dns resolver on this machine you're running debbootstrap on ? |
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| 11:38.49 | jethro | s/kig/king/ |
| 11:38.50 | bernouli | yes |
| 11:39.12 | cheenqua | is there a problem with the 2 uploaded dvd-isos ? |
| 11:39.28 | bernouli | jethro, i can for example ping debian.org without any problem |
| 11:39.46 | jethro | bernouli: http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
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| 11:40.12 | jethro | bernouli: nm my paste |
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| 11:40.46 | bernouli | what should i do? |
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| 11:41.12 | jethro | bernouli: wait a second. I'm trying the same. |
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| 11:41.34 | jethro | bernouli: your command works like a charm here |
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| 11:41.56 | jethro | bernouli: I can't figure out what's wrong on your side. |
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| 11:42.47 | cusco | is there something I nedd to install? a xmms script give me this error: |
| 11:42.48 | cusco | 12:31 Can't locate Xmms.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/cusco/.irssi/scripts /usr/share/irssi/scripts /usr/lib/perl/5.8 |
| 11:42.51 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.54 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.59 | bernouli | can you give me a copy of your /usr/lib/debootstrap/script/sarge |
| 11:43.02 | jethro | cusco: use a pastebin please |
| 11:43.08 | cusco | sory jethro |
| 11:43.25 | jethro | bernouli: dpkg -l debootstrap please |
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| 11:44.28 | tarzeau | cusco: hey these messages come up every stable release |
| 11:44.30 | tarzeau | i remember them from potato |
| 11:44.32 | tarzeau | LOLZ |
| 11:44.38 | jethro | bernouli: saje3.docisland.org/~jethro/stuff/sarge |
| 11:44.38 | tarzeau | it's always PEBKAC |
| 11:44.58 | spdf | !rimshot |
| 11:44.58 | tarzeau | aahh this time it's Xmms.pm stuff |
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| 11:45.32 | bernouli | jethro, that is the one i also have |
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| 11:46.24 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 11:46.25 | jethro | bernouli: the problem seems to be the Packages.gz file you download |
| 11:46.30 | jethro | !wb robin_sz |
| 11:46.31 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! robin_sz has returned! |
| 11:46.46 | robin_sz | :) |
| 11:46.50 | bernouli | jethro, but Packages.gz seems to be ok |
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| 11:47.12 | jethro | bernouli: still, there is this error message : W: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz was corrupt |
| 11:47.32 | jethro | bernouli: I can't think of any other reason why it'd fail. |
| 11:47.35 | bernouli | jethro, i meant, if i download it manually |
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| 11:48.07 | martinja | How did I know check again on which debivan version I am on? |
| 11:48.16 | Karnaugh | uname -a |
| 11:48.19 | bob2 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:48.19 | jethro | martinja: /etc/debian_version |
| 11:48.22 | martinja | cheers |
| 11:48.23 | bob2 | Karnaugh: no, that's kernel version |
| 11:48.32 | jethro | !version |
| 11:48.32 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 11:48.52 | martinja | ok thanks |
| 11:48.59 | jethro | dpkg: version is <reply> debian version : cat /etc/debian_version ; kernel version : uname -r |
| 11:48.59 | dpkg | ...but version is already something else... |
| 11:48.59 | martinja | So 3.1 2.4 kernel |
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| 11:49.03 | jethro | ah fuck |
| 11:49.05 | jethro | I can't read |
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| 11:49.13 | jethro | !lart me |
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| 11:49.49 | notty | i want my debian box to write a cd once a week with a backup of my system (but only the data that was added in that week, this includes new mails, new mysql data, new files) is there a program for that.. or a place where can i read a how-to about.. or someone that can help me with it ? |
| 11:49.51 | martinja | Can one upgrade the kernel via synaptic? |
| 11:49.58 | tarzeau | martinja: sure |
| 11:50.05 | tarzeau | martinja: it's only a debian package too |
| 11:50.16 | martinja | meaning? |
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| 11:50.29 | tarzeau | martinja: it's like if you install supertransball2 (or any other package) |
| 11:50.31 | jethro | notty: try mondo-rescue / rsnapshot , or apt-cache search backup tools |
| 11:50.35 | gahan | if i have 2 primary ns (NOT prim+secondary) where resolve requests fly to ? both nameservers are being asked and which returns answer earlier is used by client or how is it working ? |
| 11:50.38 | bobbens | marinja: search for kernel-image |
| 11:50.50 | martinja | !tell martinja about kernel-image |
| 11:50.54 | bob2 | gahan: you don't have two primary ns's |
| 11:50.55 | graeme | bob2: maybe i'm nuts, but adding an smtp proxt to postifx is as easy as hostname:service in the master.cf no? |
| 11:51.01 | tarzeau | gahan: something is wrong |
| 11:51.06 | bobbens | martinja: you can just /msg dpkg kernel-image |
| 11:51.06 | graeme | bob2: it just seems to easy |
| 11:51.11 | bob2 | graeme: as a relay_host or whatever? yeah, afaik. |
| 11:51.13 | bob2 | graeme: hah |
| 11:51.25 | gahan | maybe i should write s/primary/master/g |
| 11:51.28 | gahan | hm.. |
| 11:51.37 | bob2 | gahan: you don't have two masters |
| 11:51.43 | bob2 | unless your crack pipe is the size of my hair |
| 11:51.47 | martinja | Thanks bobbens |
| 11:52.01 | jethro | hah |
| 11:52.09 | jethro | !bob2++ |
| 11:52.25 | tarzeau | jethro: karma has been disabled long ago |
| 11:52.35 | tarzeau | !karma bob2 |
| 11:52.35 | dpkg | bob2 has karma of 1 |
| 11:52.37 | martinja | Just one quick question then: upgrading to a newer kernel with synaptic should not cause any problems? |
| 11:52.42 | tarzeau | martinja: no |
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| 11:52.46 | bob2 | gahan: two masters would mean two servers serving the same zone, both with their own zone file |
| 11:52.54 | bob2 | tarzeau: karma has been disabled since like 2001 |
| 11:52.59 | tarzeau | bob2: i know |
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| 11:53.10 | tarzeau | jethro: that was for you |
| 11:53.11 | jethro | I'm just used to karma'ing, nevermind |
| 11:53.13 | bob2 | ah |
| 11:53.22 | gahan | bob2: yes, im doing that (using bind-dlz, they recommend such configuration at http://bind-dlz.sourceforge.net/best_practices.html) |
| 11:53.25 | jethro | who cares anyway :) |
| 11:53.25 | martinja | Is this an "ok" idea? : Install 2.6 kernel via synaptic and uninstalling later 2.4 kernel via synaptic? |
| 11:53.27 | bob2 | that's whack |
| 11:53.42 | tarzeau | martinja: you don't have to uninstall the 2.4 one |
| 11:53.44 | bobbens | martinja: yeah but reboot into the other kernel before uninstalling the current one |
| 11:53.45 | cahoot | bob2: enjoyed this channel since 2001? |
| 11:53.46 | tarzeau | martinja: you can have both |
| 11:53.51 | mike_ | hi, how would i go about calculating a directories contents recersively? |
| 11:54.04 | martinja | bob2 : my idea? |
| 11:54.06 | gahan | or not that, hm :) |
| 11:54.10 | tarzeau | cahoot: i'm in since 1999, and there's even older ones |
| 11:54.19 | martinja | ok cheers |
| 11:54.23 | cahoot | that's stamina |
| 11:54.27 | JohnnyST | mike_, du -skh |
| 11:54.32 | mike_ | thanks |
| 11:54.59 | bob2 | martinja: hm? I was talking to gahan. |
| 11:55.05 | bob2 | cahoot: I don't even remember |
| 11:55.09 | martinja | cool |
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| 11:55.16 | bob2 | probably 2001 or so |
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| 11:55.38 | bob2 | gahan: anyway, two masters is the same as a master and a slave, to the external world |
| 11:55.43 | martinja | reboot to 2.6 :) |
| 11:56.03 | bob2 | gahan: other dns servers look up your NS records on the global dns servers, which alternate which record they return |
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| 11:58.02 | Penix | wenas |
| 11:58.03 | bob2 | that fact lets you do neat things like not having your master in the NS records at all |
| 11:58.06 | bob2 | wenas! |
| 11:58.27 | tarzeau | bob2, Penix not in dict |
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| 11:59.03 | graeme | tarzeau: wenas not in dict |
| 11:59.20 | tarzeau | graeme: yes. what's wenas? |
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| 11:59.30 | Penix | don't question the wenas |
| 11:59.38 | tchino | hello, how can I clean up my system, if have a 5gb partition and 94% are busy? |
| 11:59.40 | Penix | if you think about it, you'll go insane |
| 11:59.42 | bob2 | tarzeau: it's penix for 'hello, how are you grapefruits today?' |
| 11:59.47 | graeme | tarzeau: what penix says goes |
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| 11:59.56 | tarzeau | bob2: ahh |
| 12:00.05 | bob2 | that or spanish |
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| 12:00.13 | tarzeau | Penix: got wenas.mine.nu ? |
| 12:00.29 | zumbi | tarzeau, wenas is spanish slag to say hello, hi, howdy |
| 12:00.37 | bobbens | buenos dias ~= wenas |
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| 12:00.53 | bob2 | ah |
| 12:00.57 | ribnitz | hello. |
| 12:01.01 | mike_ | g'day |
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| 12:01.25 | bob2 | guttna nacht |
| 12:01.28 | ribnitz | with the debian tetex-* packages, how do I install an additional latex package? |
| 12:01.39 | tchino | hello, how can I clean up my system, if have a 5gb partition and 94% are busy? |
| 12:01.44 | tarzeau | ribnitz: with apt-get install ? |
| 12:01.52 | tarzeau | !dpkg tell tchino about repeat |
| 12:01.57 | tarzeau | tchino: with rm |
| 12:02.14 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I mean a (non-packaged) latex .sty file. |
| 12:02.30 | hejux | is there a 3ds max for linux ？ |
| 12:02.31 | tarzeau | ribnitz: what about download it and then cp it across the filesystem? |
| 12:02.40 | tarzeau | hejux: no. but there's wings3d and blender |
| 12:02.45 | ribnitz | tarzeau: yep. but to where? |
| 12:02.52 | bobbens | hejux: blender, etc... |
| 12:03.04 | tarzeau | ribnitz: do you have some .sty files already? from which package? dpkg -S, dpkg -L *hint* |
| 12:03.16 | Donald | Sarge has GRUP as standart bootloader. I want to switch to LILO - after i´ve installed lilo, exec liloconfig and /sbin/lilo Debian boots still with GRUP. How can i change this? |
| 12:03.22 | tarzeau | Donald: GRUB! |
| 12:03.24 | tarzeau | !GRUP |
| 12:03.31 | tchino | tarzeau: can i delete some log-files |
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| 12:03.35 | Penix | tarzeau: I've got penix. gamp. wenas. and teebor. (box's name) |
| 12:03.41 | tarzeau | dpkg GRUP is DAMN! IT'S GRUB |
| 12:03.41 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 12:03.44 | Donald | !GRUB |
| 12:03.45 | dpkg | it has been said that grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 12:03.49 | hejux | blender free ？ |
| 12:03.59 | Penix | no apache running anymore though... |
| 12:04.06 | bobbens | hejux: www.blender3d.org |
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| 12:04.16 | bobbens | hejux: /join #blender |
| 12:04.19 | JeRu | ribnitz: if you want to install some latex-files not available for debian you can put them in /usr/local/share/texmf/{doc,source,tex}/ |
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| 12:04.56 | ribnitz | JeRu: thanks. |
| 12:05.17 | tchino | tarzeau: yes i understand, i have delete the /usr/src/kernel-src |
| 12:05.19 | anabain | which app is good in Debian for playing midi files? |
| 12:05.36 | tarzeau | tchino: sure if you don't need some old logfiles |
| 12:05.42 | tarzeau | !timidity |
| 12:05.42 | dpkg | from memory, timidity is a great midi player, using timidity-patches (gravis ultra sound) it sounds perfect, (try these switches too -in or -ig), grab few midis from http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/midi.shtml, or http://www.stardate.bc.ca/eawpatches/html/get_patches.htm |
| 12:05.48 | JeRu | ribnitz: see /etc/texmf/texmf.d/05TeXMF.cnf and update-texmf |
| 12:05.51 | tchino | tarzeau: yes, i think |
| 12:05.51 | tarzeau | anabain: that one, or opencubicplayer |
| 12:05.53 | ribnitz | JeRu: do I need to create those subdirs, if they don't exist, or do I simply copy all the files in there |
| 12:05.58 | anabain | ok, thanks |
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| 12:06.16 | tchino | tarzeau: and it create it new by the next system-start, is that right? |
| 12:06.27 | tarzeau | tchino: not the same old ones |
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| 12:06.49 | tchino | tarzeau: i understand |
| 12:07.06 | tchino | tarzeau: wait, i ask you, for dsome logfiles, what are very big |
| 12:07.12 | JeRu | ribnitz: you create them (with respect to TEXMFLOCAL in that config file I mentioned) in /usr/local/share/texmf |
| 12:08.18 | JeRu | ribnitz: then you build your packages and put .pdf/.ps/.dvi in doc, .sty in tex and the source file in src |
| 12:08.46 | tchino | tarzeau: what is with kernel.log |
| 12:09.04 | tarzeau | tchino: no idea, how large is very big for you? 100 mb? |
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| 12:09.30 | tchino | 200 mb |
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| 12:09.50 | tarzeau | tchino: yeah i'd just remove it (did you look into it?) |
| 12:10.00 | tarzeau | can game design be copyrighted ? |
| 12:10.01 | mosty | how can i create bandwidth logs/graphs that survive across reboots? |
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| 12:10.16 | azol | hi all. i have troubles with umounting my cdrom drive under kde. i mount by clicking on cdrom icon on my desktop. then i try to umount but ... "device is busy". lsof | grep cdrom shows: kdeinit 7369 artem 128r DIR 22,0 2048 1408 /media/cdrom0 I must manually kill kdeinit. only after that i can umount my cdrom :( (sorry for my english) |
| 12:10.20 | tarzeau | (say, like what a level looks like, and what items you must collect to finish the game) |
| 12:10.32 | tarzeau | mosty: mrtg ? |
| 12:10.33 | mathieu_ | tarzeau, an idea can't be copyrighted |
| 12:10.44 | tchino | tarzeau: no, but can i delete the older ones two, kernel.log.1.gz and so on |
| 12:10.52 | tarzeau | tchino: certainly |
| 12:10.57 | ribnitz | JeRu: doesnt update. |
| 12:10.58 | JeRu | ribnitz: most important is the tex-directory, but these directories correspond to the layout of /usr/share/texmf/tex. So you should do "mkdir -p /usr/local/share/texmf/{tex,doc,source}/latex/" |
| 12:11.01 | tarzeau | tchino: it's not like your systems won't work if you do |
| 12:11.11 | tarzeau | azol: #debian-kde ? |
| 12:11.13 | mosty | tarzeau, i'll read up on that, thanks |
| 12:11.19 | tarzeau | mathieu_: thank you |
| 12:11.23 | tchino | tarzeau: and do it create it new by the next system-satrt |
| 12:11.28 | tarzeau | mathieu_: it's about this, http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mog/ |
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| 12:11.47 | tarzeau | tchino: not the ones you deleted, but new ones, with new stuff in it |
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| 12:12.01 | azol | tarzeau: silence... |
| 12:12.03 | tchino | tarzeau: ok, i understand |
| 12:12.05 | tarzeau | mathieu_: and bugs.debian.org/301527 |
| 12:12.12 | tarzeau | azol: maybe nobody uses kde |
| 12:12.19 | tarzeau | azol: or nobody has cdrom drives |
| 12:12.21 | mathieu_ | tarzeau, only the expression of an idea can be copyrighted. |
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| 12:12.35 | JeRu | ribnitz: It would only update if you had changed your /etc/texmf/texmf.d/* config files. for the files in /usr/local you can either use fmtutil -a or use texconfig. |
| 12:12.35 | azol | :-) |
| 12:12.56 | tarzeau | mathieu_: aha. if someone else expresses the same idea having seen the others? |
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| 12:13.51 | mathieu_ | tarzeau, that's getting trickier. |
| 12:14.18 | mathieu_ | there's no clear line |
| 12:14.41 | mathieu_ | but in this case, i'd say there's no copyright |
| 12:15.14 | tarzeau | mathieu_: ahhh :) |
| 12:15.23 | mosty | is it just me, or is rhythmbox so buggy it crashes whenever i breathe loudly? |
| 12:15.28 | tarzeau | mathieu_: and one can still remove it , if konami finds out and asks someone to remove it |
| 12:15.32 | mosty | er, amarok (not rhythmbox) |
| 12:15.43 | tarzeau | Aleks- is spamming |
| 12:15.55 | mathieu_ | tarzeau, but i'm not an expert. I had a course on copyright/patents/ etc.. |
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| 12:16.07 | tarzeau | mathieu_: neither am i. |
| 12:16.10 | kantai | mosty HA |
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| 12:16.19 | SigNagE | hello |
| 12:16.37 | SigNagE | can anyone help me setup my wireless network drivers? (im new to linux) |
| 12:16.43 | mathieu_ | patents are for protecting ideas. copyright for the expression of that idea |
| 12:16.52 | Gnea | !rules |
| 12:16.52 | dpkg | hmm... rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
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| 12:17.00 | mathieu_ | copying a piece of the graphics is a copyright infringement |
| 12:17.08 | kantai | mosty have you ever tried beepmediaplayer? |
| 12:17.09 | mathieu_ | using the same rules... i guess not |
| 12:17.12 | ribnitz | JeRu: still getting undefined control sequence |
| 12:17.28 | mosty | kantai, for example it crashes if i have a .swf file in my home directory. even if that's not part of my collection directory |
| 12:17.39 | tchino | what is worng my xmule 1.9.5 crashed down always, what is the reason |
| 12:17.48 | kzar | I have a stable email server and i am considering doing upgrade which I assume will bring it up to the new stable but is this a good idea or could it break things? |
| 12:17.58 | mosty | kantai, beep-media-player is just a simple player, i want something more advanced |
| 12:18.24 | graeme | what does the (8) in the title of a manpage mean? |
| 12:18.28 | kantai | mosty: wow, that is strange, have you filed a bug report? |
| 12:18.34 | mathieu_ | tarzeau, if it copies the way it looks, that could be an infringment |
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| 12:19.05 | tarzeau | mathieu_: it's not the same graphics |
| 12:19.10 | tarzeau | mathieu_: but the sama characters, items and levels |
| 12:19.17 | kantai | mosty: something along the lines of xine or mplayer? |
| 12:19.19 | tarzeau | mathieu_: new sounds, new code, new graphics |
| 12:19.19 | mosty | kantai, another debian user clued me in to what was causing (some) of the crashes, so i assume it's already on b.d.o |
| 12:19.33 | JeRu | ribnitz: where? which undefined control sequence? |
| 12:19.33 | tarzeau | mathieu_: that was done with lemmings, bomberman, pacman, arkanoid and other games |
| 12:19.39 | cusco | apt says that the package lame has no instalation candidate but is refered by another package |
| 12:19.42 | apt | that's too long, cusco |
| 12:19.47 | mosty | kantai, no something like amarok (smart "random" playlists, album art etc) |
| 12:19.47 | mathieu_ | tarzeau, anyway, the only way of really knowing if it's ok or not, is to go in court ;) |
| 12:19.48 | tarzeau | cusco: yes it's not there |
| 12:19.50 | JeRu | ribnitz: when running your latex file.tex? |
| 12:20.01 | tarzeau | cusco: www.debian-unofficial.org |
| 12:20.09 | cusco | ok ty |
| 12:20.12 | kantai | mosty ok |
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| 12:20.56 | liable | tarzeau: hah, do you know your page comes up first if you google bubnbros. :) |
| 12:21.08 | mathieu_ | tarzeau, the bug report states that it does partially copy the graphics |
| 12:21.09 | tarzeau | liable: LOLZ, no i didn't know |
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| 12:21.20 | kzar | crap I did dist-upgrade nd its saying its going to delete loads of programs like amavis and things? |
| 12:21.35 | K_Dallas | tarzeau, what does $another distro refers to in www.debian-unofficial.org ? |
| 12:21.46 | tarzeau | mathieu_: no it doesn't in my package. the homepage has the original graphcis too |
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| 12:21.56 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: i have no idea |
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| 12:22.10 | K_Dallas | ok :) |
| 12:22.11 | tarzeau | kzar: woody->sarge ? |
| 12:22.16 | kzar | yea |
| 12:22.23 | hejux | whats the best software for listening to the music and watch movie ？ |
| 12:22.32 | JeRu | ribnitz: i have e.g. ntheorem in /usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/ntheorem/ntheorem.{sty,std} and everything works |
| 12:22.39 | tarzeau | !best |
| 12:22.40 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 12:22.54 | tarzeau | hejux: i like mplayer |
| 12:22.59 | K_Dallas | hello hejux : have you checked your knoppix CD? there should be plenty on it |
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| 12:23.10 | mathieu_ | the rationale of copyright is to protect the effort an author has put in expressing an idea (doesn't have to be an original idea) |
| 12:23.21 | hejux | K_Dallas ： no |
| 12:23.35 | mike_ | is it possible to split the midnight commander view into 3 sections? |
| 12:23.37 | hejux | no knoppix here |
| 12:23.46 | K_Dallas | you converted? |
| 12:23.47 | tarzeau | mike_: no |
| 12:24.00 | mike_ | damn, that'd own if it did |
| 12:24.00 | K_Dallas | mike_, that would be a nightmare ;) |
| 12:24.04 | kzar | tarzeau: yes its woody to sarge, any ideas? |
| 12:24.10 | mike_ | naw, i don't think so |
| 12:24.15 | mike_ | it'd be cool |
| 12:24.22 | tarzeau | kzar: no, sorry. install amavis later again |
| 12:24.26 | lindi- | anyway to make pam ask for pam_unix when user comes from LAN and pam_opie for everything else? i know how to match hostnames with pam_listfile but i don't know how to combine that with other auth methods |
| 12:24.32 | hejux | you always refer to the knoppix ?i am building debian one by one |
| 12:24.43 | mike_ | you'd hate to see my konquorer split screen then |
| 12:25.04 | cahoot | hejux: some people need a strict pecking order |
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| 12:26.51 | ribnitz | kzar: first update to sarge, then fix whats broken. |
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| 12:27.57 | whm | how to install knoppix livecd on hard driver? |
| 12:28.15 | mosty | whm, we don't support knoppix here. try #knoppix |
| 12:28.43 | cahoot | whm: go for the real thing from start - install sarge |
| 12:28.54 | Aleks- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.05 | sh4dowcat | heh |
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| 12:29.16 | sh4dowcat | wtf |
| 12:29.19 | djp | a couple of questions. if i was to install the latest sarge release, does it support bluetooth via gnome-bluetooth as i cannot seem to locate the package when searching on the debian web site? Also, what is support like for nvidia geforce2 graphic cards? |
| 12:29.36 | sanxiyn | Today I found this by accident: |
| 12:29.37 | sanxiyn | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/doc/openacs-doc |
| 12:29.42 | Aleks- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.45 | sanxiyn | No openacs package, but openacs-doc still there. |
| 12:29.49 | whm | :) |
| 12:29.50 | sh4dowcat | wtf |
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| 12:29.55 | sh4dowcat | isn't Aleks- spamming |
| 12:29.56 | sh4dowcat | ? |
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| 12:30.11 | theboneman | is there tablaunch for debian ? |
| 12:30.12 | whm | knoppix ---it's like debian |
| 12:30.13 | Virtual | How can I take a screenshot? |
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| 12:30.20 | streuner | !ss |
| 12:30.20 | dpkg | i guess ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 12:30.23 | sanxiyn | Virtual: I use "import" command from ImageMagick. |
| 12:30.27 | sh4dowcat | !ops Aleks- is spamming |
| 12:30.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Aleks- is spamming |
| 12:30.38 | Virtual | sanxiyn: can you tell me how to use that? |
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| 12:30.41 | faked | Virtual: ksnapshet (kde) |
| 12:30.47 | cusco | I have a Aleks- spamming on my pvt: |
| 12:30.47 | cusco | 13:20 <Aleks-> http://www.bizinfotech.com/~democomp/hi.exe look this free tricks for your linux system |
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| 12:30.50 | faked | Virtual: ksnapshot (kde) |
| 12:30.52 | sanxiyn | Virtual: import <filename>, click window. |
| 12:31.09 | Virtual | faked: is that installed with kde ? |
| 12:31.11 | Virtual | or I have to install it? |
| 12:31.12 | theboneman | is there tablaunch for debian ? |
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| 12:31.16 | sh4dowcat | cusco: which is really stupid |
| 12:31.22 | sh4dowcat | as exes don't work on Linux anyway |
| 12:31.28 | faked | Virtual: it depends on your installation |
| 12:31.40 | Virtual | net install |
| 12:31.47 | JeRu | ribnitz: so what about your tex? |
| 12:31.50 | faked | Virtual: if not, apt-get install ksnapshot, or use import as sanxiyn said |
| 12:31.53 | sanxiyn | Virtual: Well, try ImageMagick anyway. |
| 12:31.59 | theboneman | is there tablaunch for debian ? |
| 12:32.02 | ribnitz | JeRu: havent got it to work so far. |
| 12:32.04 | yo2lux | exist a good howto for debian to configure a pcmcia wireless card ? |
| 12:32.13 | initech | theboneman: obviously no one knows |
| 12:32.21 | sanxiyn | theboneman: No. |
| 12:32.24 | faked | Virtual: I also did a net-install, ksnapshot was installed |
| 12:32.43 | djp | a couple of questions. if i was to install the latest sarge release, does it support bluetooth via gnome-bluetooth as i cannot seem to locate the package when searching on the debian web site? Also, what is support like for nvidia geforce2 graphic cards? |
| 12:33.21 | JeRu | ribnitz: well, shouldn't be too difficult. but i'm kinda new to irc, would you answer some questions regarding irc in PM? |
| 12:33.21 | initech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:33.27 | sanxiyn | theboneman: Hm, it looks cool indeed! |
| 12:33.30 | sanxiyn | theboneman: If you mean http://freshmeat.net/projects/tablaunch/ |
| 12:33.48 | Virtual | faked: yes I have it, thank you |
| 12:33.57 | ribnitz | JeRu: (/usr/local/share/texmf)(doc|source|sty|tex)/latex |
| 12:35.10 | ribnitz | JeRu: source/latex contains pst-jftree.tex, sty and /sty/latex contains theb respective .sty, tex/latex contains the .tex again |
| 12:35.27 | ribnitz | JeRu: ok. pm me |
| 12:35.41 | tarzeau | jethro, done your laundry? |
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| 12:36.26 | djp | which desktop does debian install by default, kde or gnome? |
| 12:36.36 | tarzeau | djp: none |
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| 12:36.42 | tarzeau | djp: tasksel desktop installs both. |
| 12:36.46 | tarzeau | djp: gnustep is great |
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| 12:37.13 | djp | tarzeau: gnustep? |
| 12:37.24 | tarzeau | djp: apt-get install gnustep wmaker gnustep-devel gnustep-games |
| 12:37.26 | faked | djp: I think if you choose desktop-system in base-config, the installer will install both (kde and gnome) |
| 12:37.27 | initech | gnustep is weird |
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| 12:37.49 | tarzeau | initech: you are |
| 12:37.59 | initech | tarzeau: well, yes |
| 12:38.03 | djp | faked: ok and then u can choose your default desktop on boot i presume? |
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| 12:38.24 | sanxiyn | djp: Yes. |
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| 12:38.31 | djp | tarzeau: thanks. i gather this is an alternative desktop to gnome or kde right? |
| 12:38.42 | djp | sanxiyn: thanks |
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| 12:38.45 | mike_ | fluxbox will forever own me |
| 12:38.47 | tarzeau | djp: yes |
| 12:39.09 | Gnurdux | does dpkg know about gnome 2.10? |
| 12:39.10 | sanxiyn | djp: GNUstep is an implementation of OpenStep. |
| 12:39.10 | mike_ | fluxbox + transparency = sexy |
| 12:39.14 | djp | tarzeau: i will take a look at that. thank you. |
| 12:39.15 | sanxiyn | Gnurdux: Yes. |
| 12:39.25 | lesouvage | Is there a line command to check the temperature of the cpu? |
| 12:39.26 | Gnurdux | i just msged him gnome2.19 |
| 12:39.30 | Gnurdux | i just msged him gnome2.10 |
| 12:39.36 | Gnurdux | and he didnt respond |
| 12:39.50 | kantai | I guess he doesnt then |
| 12:39.53 | faked | Gnurdux: cat/proc/acpi/thermal_zone.. |
| 12:39.54 | prog | im am fvwm favourer |
| 12:39.55 | djp | does anybody know if gnome-bluetooth is supported if installed from .deb file by sarge 3.1 using the gnome desktop? |
| 12:39.59 | sanxiyn | Gnurdux: Ah, you meant the bot. |
| 12:40.05 | Gnurdux | yup |
| 12:40.11 | faked | Gnurdux: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone.. |
| 12:40.13 | Gnurdux | im on testing |
| 12:40.21 | Gnurdux | is that officially etch yet?... |
| 12:40.35 | kantai | I believe it is |
| 12:40.40 | Gnurdux | ok |
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| 12:40.53 | liable | !info gnome-panel sid |
| 12:40.56 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 363 kB, Installed size: 856 kB |
| 12:40.57 | Gnurdux | so which apt repositoryis gnome 2.10 in? |
| 12:41.03 | Gnurdux | unstable or experimental? |
| 12:41.10 | paulswm | Gnurdux: Yes, it is officially etch. |
| 12:41.12 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: if you can't find out |
| 12:41.23 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: go read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:41.34 | kantai | gnome 2.10 is mostly in unstable |
| 12:41.43 | Gnurdux | when will it be testing? |
| 12:41.50 | Xuse | when it's ready. |
| 12:41.52 | liable | when it is |
| 12:41.54 | Gnurdux | strange |
| 12:41.58 | MobyTurbo | I've heard gnome 2.10 in sid is broken |
| 12:42.00 | Gnurdux | ubuntu got it the day it came out |
| 12:42.06 | pipeline | Dependencies are broken, packages are not. |
| 12:42.10 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: who cares? |
| 12:42.12 | Gnurdux | why dont you jsut use their packages? |
| 12:42.16 | sanxiyn | MobyTurbo: Not really now. |
| 12:42.19 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: STOP TROLLING |
| 12:42.20 | sanxiyn | MobyTurbo: It's being sorted out. |
| 12:42.28 | Gnurdux | sry |
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| 12:42.32 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: because debian is about quality |
| 12:42.35 | paulswm | !prize tarzeau |
| 12:42.36 | tarzeau | and not the latest crap |
| 12:42.39 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: It's perfectly safe to install gnome 2.10 filling dependencies from experimental. |
| 12:42.41 | kantai | MobyTurbo: it required a reboot on my system |
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| 12:42.59 | sanxiyn | MobyTurbo: It was broken for a few days indeed. |
| 12:43.02 | Gnurdux | wow a reboot sounds like windows |
| 12:43.03 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: Beware, it'll pull libgtop2-5, which displaces a surprising amount of gnome-related crap |
| 12:43.04 | Xuse | gnome 2.10 isn't that great anyway, not much new in it. |
| 12:43.27 | sanxiyn | Xuse: Who cares? Monkeys want the latest stuffs. |
| 12:43.28 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: you know debian has supertransball2 and ubuntu, doesn't |
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| 12:43.35 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: same for schism and plenty more software |
| 12:43.37 | kantai | Gnurdux: did i say reboot, I meant restarting gnome |
| 12:43.43 | hunger | Gnurdux: They are a bit touchy here when mentioning ubuntu. |
| 12:43.44 | Gnurdux | debian is the best |
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| 12:44.02 | Gnurdux | that is why i dont use ubuntu btw |
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| 12:44.13 | initech | if one is afflicted with latestgreatest disease, you should use gentoo. Using it is like being in a mental hospital for latestgreatest types |
| 12:44.13 | Gnurdux | also im afraid that they are too n00by |
| 12:44.16 | Xuse | Well that's because this is a debian channel not ubuntu. |
| 12:44.19 | Gnurdux | does it have make-kpkg |
| 12:44.31 | Gnurdux | i dont like compiling |
| 12:44.41 | ecidadania20 | (fake@83-65-232-202.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 12:44.44 | Gnurdux | except kernels |
| 12:44.47 | jethro | tarzeau: yes sir |
| 12:44.53 | Gnurdux | i have tried arch |
| 12:44.53 | hunger | Gnurdux: Same here... but then it would be nice if some of the ubuntu stuff would get adopted faster:-( |
| 12:45.00 | paulswm | !irritate jethro |
| 12:45.01 | Gnurdux | thats how i used gnome-2.10 |
| 12:45.02 | dpkg | jethro: HELP ME!!! who uses sound lol |
| 12:45.07 | jethro | @annoy dpkg |
| 12:45.08 | ravenbird | dpkg: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 12:45.18 | Gnurdux | arch linux |
| 12:45.21 | Xuse | If debian started using ubuntu stuff, i probably would go looking for another distro. |
| 12:45.27 | Gnurdux | but supertux wasnt even packaged |
| 12:45.39 | sanxiyn | Gnurdux: Haha. |
| 12:45.42 | Gnurdux | and i kinda like the way debian does things |
| 12:45.43 | sanxiyn | Gnurdux: You could do one. |
| 12:45.53 | Gnurdux | i tried from the PKGBUILD |
| 12:45.54 | initech | Gnurdux: ubuntu is pretty much a fork of debian ... it isn't that useful to debian |
| 12:45.55 | hunger | Xuse: Why? What is so broken about that? |
| 12:45.55 | Gnurdux | didnt work |
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| 12:46.18 | Xuse | hunger i don't like ubuntu or it's crippled packages. |
| 12:46.20 | Gnurdux | i have a south african friend tho. i think ill reccomend ubuntu to him |
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| 12:46.38 | initech | ubuntu will die the same horrible death that stormix did!!! |
| 12:46.38 | sanxiyn | btw, Debian has the best support for Haskell. :-) |
| 12:46.42 | hunger | Xuse: crippled in what way? Most are identical to debian. |
| 12:46.42 | yo2lux | exist a good howto for debian to configure a pcmcia wireless card ? |
| 12:46.46 | sanxiyn | initech: haha |
| 12:46.49 | Gnurdux | whats stormix? |
| 12:46.56 | sanxiyn | Yes, Ubuntu is mostly same as Debian. |
| 12:46.59 | Xuse | hunger if they were i wouldn't of left ubuntu. |
| 12:47.01 | initech | Gnurdux: see what I mean? |
| 12:47.06 | Gnurdux | sanxiyn, yup |
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| 12:47.15 | pipeline | Stormix didn't die a horrible death |
| 12:47.18 | pipeline | It just faded into irrelevance |
| 12:47.30 | pipeline | And yes, that will probably happen to Ubuntu. Shit happens. Speculate in #ubuntu :P |
| 12:47.33 | jethro | Xuse: you can already go looking for another distro then. cdrecord has libscg by ubuntu built in. |
| 12:47.36 | initech | pipeline: well fading into irrelevance is pretty horrible to me! |
| 12:47.40 | Gnurdux | ubuntu is just a debian hack for people who have heard OMG debian is HARD (and ubuntu is no easier) |
| 12:47.48 | Gnurdux | i do know that |
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| 12:48.02 | theboneman | how would i reload my .Xresources ??? |
| 12:48.05 | hunger | Gnurdux: agreed:-) But it has newer stuff. |
| 12:48.07 | Gnurdux | apparently ubuntu looks nice tho |
| 12:48.13 | Gnurdux | only gnome |
| 12:48.20 | Gnurdux | the rest comes from unstable hunger |
| 12:48.35 | theboneman | ???? |
| 12:48.37 | pipeline | Why are people evangelizing for Ubuntu in a channel called #debian? |
| 12:48.42 | MobyTurbo | Gnurdux: gnome 2.8 looks identical to gnome 2.10 and is mostly identical otherwise, and its in Sarge. |
| 12:48.42 | theboneman | how would i configure my .Xresources ? |
| 12:48.43 | pipeline | I don't waltz into #ubuntu and ramble |
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| 12:48.47 | sanxiyn | pipeline: No idea. |
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| 12:48.56 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: it looked brown like shit, when i tried it |
| 12:48.58 | initech | paulswm: take that |
| 12:49.05 | Gnurdux | MobyTurbo, i know, im on it (in etch tho, but it was sarge a week ago) |
| 12:49.17 | theboneman | yo! |
| 12:49.25 | hunger | Gnurdux: Well... my ubuntu box is mostly build with gcc 4. AFAIK debian/unstable is not. |
| 12:49.25 | Gnurdux | tarzeau, a friend i know says "It has a good looking gnome" |
| 12:49.37 | Gnurdux | really? |
| 12:49.39 | Gnurdux | interesting |
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| 12:49.44 | jethro | hunger: and what is the point ? |
| 12:49.46 | MobyTurbo | !aolify hunger |
| 12:49.49 | Gnurdux | i hope gcc4 comes into unstable soon |
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| 12:50.02 | Gnurdux | but debian is the biggest distro out there |
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| 12:50.09 | pipeline | hunger, Gnurdux : gcc4 support is already in unstable. It's only the compiler that's not. |
| 12:50.12 | sanxiyn | Yeah. Toolchain transition always painful. |
| 12:50.13 | MobyTurbo | gcc4 doesn't benchmark better than gcc3.4 |
| 12:50.27 | pipeline | Why would it? |
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| 12:50.34 | pipeline | C compilers don't differ that much. Especially retargetable ones. |
| 12:50.36 | sanxiyn | gcj included in gcc 4 is vastly superior. |
| 12:50.36 | hackeron | anyone knows where I can find an up to date howto for the debian-kernel package? |
| 12:50.40 | pipeline | GCC4 does, however, build C++ code a hell of a lot faster :P |
| 12:50.47 | initech | sanxiyn: ewww, java |
| 12:50.54 | sanxiyn | initech: And? |
| 12:51.09 | Sora_Aoi | java rules |
| 12:51.19 | tarzeau | Sora_Aoi: no it doesn't |
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| 12:51.25 | kantai | initech got something against a real object oriented language? |
| 12:51.26 | sanxiyn | Java sometimes rules. |
| 12:51.33 | sanxiyn | kantai: What? |
| 12:51.57 | initech | kantai: i have nothing against the language. the culture (if one can call it that) surrounding it, well, it is the big suck |
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| 12:52.23 | kantai | initech: ok |
| 12:52.39 | kantai | initech: I can understand that |
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| 12:52.56 | sanxiyn | kantai: Try Smalltalk some day. |
| 12:53.22 | sanxiyn | $ gst |
| 12:53.23 | hunger | Kantai: or ruby which is pretty close to smalltalk. |
| 12:53.27 | sanxiyn | st> Date today printString! |
| 12:53.30 | sanxiyn | 12-Jun-2005 |
| 12:53.35 | MobyTurbo | kantai: Java is not an especially "real object oriented language", pure OO languages don't have ints and other such non-object types. |
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| 12:53.37 | initech | kantai: c'mon ... we're talking about people who use words like "servlet" and "portlet" in everyday conversation |
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| 12:53.48 | hail04 | hiya, having trouble getting asterisk to install on sarge...I am getting the "termcap support not found" error message....installed all packages apart from -devel ones which werent found in packages list and probably arent for debian...dont know what to do |
| 12:53.52 | ^buggler^ | Hello, I just downloaded a stock kernel and it seems to be freezing when it says "Loading Linux....." |
| 12:54.05 | ^buggler^ | I've changed lilo.conf accordingly to boot the vmlinuz.blah file in /boot/ |
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| 12:54.11 | sanxiyn | GNU Smalltalk is decent. Too bad Debian can't include Squeak because of legal craps. |
| 12:54.13 | sanxiyn | Too bad. |
| 12:54.14 | tarzeau | ^buggler^: can you do /nick buggler ? |
| 12:54.30 | MobyTurbo | sanxiyn: debs of squeak are available though. :-) |
| 12:54.35 | sanxiyn | MobyTurbo: I know. |
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| 12:54.45 | kantai | yam, ya, ya... I'll add java discussion to my list of trolling topics |
| 12:54.50 | ^buggler^ | Hm is there a problem with the ^'s? without the spikes is someone elses nick |
| 12:55.10 | MobyTurbo | !sing sunday |
| 12:55.14 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 12:55.20 | ^buggler^ | Anyway, is it normal for stock kernels to just freeze? |
| 12:55.25 | jethro | @annoy MobyTurbo |
| 12:55.25 | ravenbird | MobyTurbo: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
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| 12:55.44 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 12:55.44 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:55.48 | jethro | :) |
| 12:55.55 | paulswm | !hack jethro |
| 12:56.02 | ^buggler^ | !sex |
| 12:56.02 | jethro | nooooooooooo! |
| 12:56.02 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 12:56.20 | Donno459 | lol |
| 12:56.39 | Althaser | eheh |
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| 12:57.34 | michal | hi.. is there any package in sarge which can rip music from audio cd's in secure mode? ie like EAC for windows |
| 12:57.49 | mrfrenzy | EAC is nice ;) |
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| 12:58.01 | Xuse | eac really is awesome. |
| 12:58.01 | spdf | michal, cli or gui? |
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| 12:58.17 | Xuse | Only windows program i miss. |
| 12:58.26 | liable | grip? whats secure mode? |
| 12:58.27 | at0m|c | is there anything else than EAC for ripping cd's? :o |
| 12:58.33 | michal | spdf: either really.. as long as it can achieve the same results |
| 12:59.04 | klaabu | hello, i have problems installing specific package version with apt. i have python 2.3.5 installed from the stable branch but the software requires python 2.3.4. how can i downgrade? |
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| 12:59.27 | ikonia | surly better to upgrade the other package |
| 12:59.29 | sanxiyn | klaabu: Oh, that's strange. It requires exactly 2.3.4? |
| 12:59.32 | ikonia | so it doesn't need older debs |
| 12:59.36 | ikonia | deps even |
| 12:59.36 | at0m|c | if u have apt, force version |
| 12:59.55 | klaabu | can't do the upgrade cause it's not available yet |
| 12:59.56 | jethro | !u |
| 12:59.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:59.57 | michal | "EAC features some special read modes, known as "Secure Modes". Using these secure modes, every sector read will be doublechecked and reread or corrected if necessary. On many drives the extraction is not error free, thus these routines will make sure the track is read correctly." |
| 13:00.02 | klaabu | how can i force the version? |
| 13:00.14 | klaabu | apt-get install python=2.3.4 gives package not found |
| 13:00.16 | cahoot | michal: cdparanoia IIR |
| 13:00.50 | randey | michal : use cdparanoia |
| 13:01.04 | liable | michal: yes, and its a mighty pain in the ass iirc |
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| 13:01.10 | spdf | michal, grip is a decent front end for different apps.. |
| 13:01.22 | klaabu | sry, it was E: Version '2.3.4' for 'python' was not found |
| 13:01.29 | sanxiyn | I like Sound Juicer, but you may not. |
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| 13:01.43 | klaabu | and apt-cache show python shows only 2.3.5 version :( |
| 13:01.54 | Xuse | I think sound juicer is awful. ;p |
| 13:02.03 | Hablandocontigo | I'm editing on Audacity; can someone explain why I have parts of the tracks that play no sound are supposed to? |
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| 13:02.07 | sanxiyn | klaabu: Well, then software you're installing has strange, broken dependency. |
| 13:02.11 | stinger_ | hi there |
| 13:02.13 | sanxiyn | klaabu: If you must, get one from snapshot. |
| 13:02.24 | sanxiyn | Xuse: Why? |
| 13:02.33 | spdf | Hablandocontigo, Huh? |
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| 13:03.22 | Hablandocontigo | spdf: there's something wrong, the track I'm editing; many parts of it have stopped playing sound, though the voice information is still on the track at those times and there should be sound |
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| 13:04.11 | otje | what is the debian equivalent of norton ghost? E.g. I want to make a CD/DVD, from which I can boot, and restore an entire partition of my system. |
| 13:04.20 | at0m|c | partimage |
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| 13:04.28 | ribnitz | otje: partimage. |
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| 13:05.17 | Hablandocontigo | spdf: how I started editing was by importing a wav and a couple hours later of editing, audacity doesn't play certain parts of the track and exports the track to another wav incompletely |
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| 13:05.52 | sanxiyn | Hm, Reportlab RFA'd. Interesting. |
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| 13:08.41 | asg | otje: bootcd is also a potential option |
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| 13:09.25 | mosty | otje, ghost works for ext2/3 at least. not sure about other filesystems |
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| 13:10.51 | teknomage | hi, i'm trying to build a kernel with make-kpkg and i need to apply a patch, the patch seems to apply cleanly and it does compile into a package although i'm noting some warnings about various things, and when i boot kernel it panics and cant find root at 0,0 any ideas? (sorry to be so long winded) |
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| 13:11.34 | asg | teknomage: 1) did you compile support for your ide/scsi controller and root filesystem? 2) did you make an initrd image and, if so, did you configure your bootloader to use it? |
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| 13:12.35 | cahoot | tried emacs? |
| 13:12.36 | tarzeau | bamse: which is? |
| 13:12.40 | teknomage | asg, hmmm no havent maed an initrd, grub/menu.list is updated, so i need to make a compressed image? that sounds like what could be causing it |
| 13:12.40 | bamse | my log tells me: |
| 13:12.42 | bamse | Jun 12 14:57:55 owl kernel: kernel BUG at fs/jbd/checkpoint.c:618! |
| 13:12.44 | K_Dallas | cahoot, maybe vi ;) |
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| 13:12.59 | tarzeau | jharrison: #bub-n-bros |
| 13:13.06 | teknomage | and i do recall a msg about a missing ide driver |
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| 13:13.09 | jharrison | tarzeau: thought you quit that |
| 13:13.17 | bamse | cahoot: well, the first thing that happened was that emacs segfaulted.... |
| 13:13.19 | tarzeau | jharrison: only for half a day ;) |
| 13:13.24 | asg | teknomage: well, make-kpkg should have done the right thing. I'd make sure you have non-modular (i.e. compiled static) support for your ide/scsi controller and root filesystem. |
| 13:13.44 | bamse | and while I was thinking "WTF, that's the first time" the whole system froze... |
| 13:14.00 | teknomage | asg, cool thanks, that sounds like it could be the cause |
| 13:14.01 | jharrison | tarzeau: heh :) |
| 13:14.06 | asg | teknomage: you're welcome |
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| 13:15.05 | viper | hey how I use samba but when I want to add a user... I add it with useradd . but samba won`t add it to its own list .. how come ? |
| 13:15.25 | vinsci | bamse, having some freezeup problem here as well with sid |
| 13:15.27 | mrfrenzy | have you read the samba manual viper ? |
| 13:15.31 | asg | viper: you probably need to use smbpasswd or somesuch. Try in #samba also. |
| 13:15.37 | kzar | just upgraded to the new stable and apache seems to ignore my old index and to be pointing at a subdirectory called apache2-default and i can't see how to put it back to normal |
| 13:15.44 | gandy909 | Will ther be an update for Sarge to the 'Securing Debian Manual' soon? After applying the PAM changes, which worked fine on Woody, now I can only login from remote |
| 13:15.47 | viper | asg smbpasswd tells me the user doesn`t exist |
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| 13:15.59 | viper | mrfrenzy man samba doesn`t really has a topic about this |
| 13:16.00 | vinsci | bamse, another sid is unaffected though, so I'm currently running memtest on the affected machine |
| 13:16.05 | bamse | vinsci: interesting, I have just stabilized on sarge (been using it for a year and a half) |
| 13:16.20 | asg | kzar: look in /etc/apache2/sites*/default* (there is a redirect in there.) |
| 13:16.23 | mrfrenzy | viper: I said *the manual* not "the manpage" |
| 13:16.28 | kzar | cheers asg |
| 13:16.40 | viper | mrfrenzy could you point me towards a good manual then ? :) |
| 13:17.04 | mrfrenzy | viper: www.samba.org |
| 13:17.06 | bamse | vinsci: have you seen similar "BUG" messages in the kern.log? |
| 13:17.14 | gandy909 | it seems to be something to do with the way they have changed around the files in pam.d |
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| 13:17.18 | hail04 | ok ive been told I need a libssl dev package and not sure what it would be for sarge? |
| 13:17.22 | otje | mosty: how can a windows ghost program backup a linux ext2 partition? |
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| 13:17.41 | vinsci | bamse, the affected sid machine is rarely up long enough now for viewing the log by itself, will look at it through knoppix in half an hour or so (after the other memtest pass completes) |
| 13:17.44 | asg | gandy909: in sarge and later, the basic unix login has been moved into /etc/pam.d/common-* which are included by individual files. |
| 13:17.45 | paulswm | tarzeau: I gather someone's rewriting the "Devil went down to Georgia" song about a fiddling challenge to "Tarzeau went in to Debian", about a bub-n-bros game. |
| 13:17.47 | mosty | otje, it can read ext2 |
| 13:18.10 | tarzeau | paulswm: hah |
| 13:18.14 | asg | paulswm: ... you son of a bitch, I'm the best there's ever been |
| 13:18.20 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 13:18.27 | teknomage | lol |
| 13:18.30 | vinsci | bamse, have excluded X though. Saw a kernel oops for a page fault, so did swapoff -a, to no avail either... |
| 13:18.38 | paulswm | Good song, but strangely average fiddle playing in it. |
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| 13:19.03 | vinsci | bamse, getting desperate here :) memory seems fine, too... |
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| 13:19.16 | asg | vinsci: you are using jfs? |
| 13:19.28 | vinsci | ext3 |
| 13:19.36 | gandy909 | asg, yes, I saw that. So I split the parts that were added to 'other' and put then in the associated common-* files and that doesn't seem to work |
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| 13:19.57 | asg | vinsci: nevermind, wrong person. |
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| 13:20.14 | vinsci | k |
| 13:20.15 | gandy909 | asg, i.e. the password lines in common-password, etc |
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| 13:20.43 | asg | gandy909: well, first check the online version at www.debian.org (to see if it's been fixed there.) If not, file a bug against the package. |
| 13:20.44 | merlin0 | hello |
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| 13:21.12 | tarzeau | LOLZ BANNAAS |
| 13:21.20 | bamse | vinsci: ok, it sounds like you're deeper in it than me |
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| 13:21.35 | bamse | vinsci: it is my desktop crashing, and it did only once |
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| 13:22.10 | bamse | I got a lot of new hardware in yesterday, and was tweaking config all of yesterday night... |
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| 13:22.37 | vinsci | bamse, the crashes I see _seem_ completely random, but occur fast - often before I've been able to log in. Started two days ago, after apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:23.08 | vinsci | I didn't upgrade for perhaps a week or two before that |
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| 13:23.30 | bamse | vinsci: yup |
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| 13:23.41 | viper | how can I list all the usergroups on my system ? |
| 13:23.55 | vinsci | vipe, cat /etc/group |
| 13:24.05 | merlin0 | what can cause installer stop while probing ide? |
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| 13:25.08 | hail04 | <X-Rob> hail04, you need openssl-devel....dont know what equiv for sarge testing is? |
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| 13:26.01 | djp | how well are nvidia cards supported under debian? |
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| 13:26.08 | tarzeau | djp: with the "nv" driver |
| 13:26.11 | tarzeau | takatumi: #bub-n-bros |
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| 13:26.45 | hail04 | I dont seem to be getting very far this evening |
| 13:26.46 | djp | tarzeau: does that driver support 3d acceleration do you know? |
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| 13:27.06 | tarzeau | djp: no it doesnt. yes i know |
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| 13:27.07 | kbrooks_ | I want to install Debian Sid in a chroot. |
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| 13:27.26 | djp | tarzeau: :) |
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| 13:27.33 | djp | tarzeau: thanks |
| 13:27.41 | kbrooks_ | How do I do so? |
| 13:27.44 | gandy909 | is there no a non-us.debian.org anymore or something? |
| 13:27.57 | paulswm | gandy909: no, non-us is obsolete |
| 13:28.04 | gandy909 | thx |
| 13:28.05 | shingouz | !tell kbrooks_ about chroot install |
| 13:28.08 | tarzeau | !non-us |
| 13:28.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 13:28.14 | tarzeau | kbrooks_: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:28.22 | tarzeau | kbrooks_: man chroot, man debootstrap |
| 13:28.27 | initech | djp: you are free to use the proprietary drivers from nvidia as with any other distro, if you like |
| 13:28.32 | kbrooks_ | why? |
| 13:28.42 | shingouz | kbrooks_: read the sid faq and weep |
| 13:29.36 | idealbsd | kbrooks_, use pbuilder to make a base.gz and chroot |
| 13:29.41 | gandy909 | !pam |
| 13:29.42 | dpkg | well, pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 13:30.28 | SigNagE | hello |
| 13:30.29 | SigNagE | can anyone help me setup my wireless network drivers? (im new to linux) |
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| 13:30.48 | shingouz | SigNagE: what card? |
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| 13:31.27 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 13:31.27 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 13:31.32 | SigNagE | shingouz, D-Link-520+DWL (ACX100) i have the dirvers from sourceforge, i just dont know how to set them up |
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| 13:31.47 | tarzeau | !dpkg tell SigNagE about ask |
| 13:32.18 | kbrooks_ | idealbsd, what is pbuiler |
| 13:32.19 | shingouz | SigNagE: i have a strange feeling that the drivers should be in debian already. have you done a search on them with apt-cache search? |
| 13:32.19 | hail04 | <X-Rob> hail04, you need openssl-devel <<>dont know what equiv for sarge testing is? and getting lost |
| 13:32.30 | robin_sz | bah, why are the build-client scripts for openvpn so broken? |
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| 13:33.04 | SigNagE | shingouz, they *should be*, they *should* also have been in Ubuntdu, but they werent :/ |
| 13:33.15 | shingouz | SigNagE: what is the sourceforge name of the project? |
| 13:33.18 | tarzeau | ubuntu doesn't belong here |
| 13:33.25 | ali7288 | i use gnome and my desktop icons aren't showing up... what can be the problem? |
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| 13:33.45 | SigNagE | bugger this, il stick with windows until i have properly learnt linux |
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| 13:33.48 | shingouz | SigNagE: do the search with apt-cache and you are surprised |
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| 13:33.55 | shingouz | fsck you too then |
| 13:33.58 | Phated | How does one learn linux if one sticks with windows? |
| 13:34.11 | kbrooks_ | fuck him |
| 13:34.13 | mrfrenzy | ten points to Phated |
| 13:34.17 | kbrooks_ | hes a fscking ASSHOLE |
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| 13:34.24 | robin_sz | Phated: you can run debain on wiondows to learn |
| 13:34.25 | pureone | shell accounts...? |
| 13:34.27 | kbrooks_ | Phated++ |
| 13:34.39 | hail04 | wiondows heheh |
| 13:34.42 | Phated | robin_sz: Then you might as well run Debian, no? |
| 13:34.43 | kbrooks_ | robin_sz, yes, but.......... |
| 13:34.45 | shingouz | if he ever had done the apt-cache he would have found the source |
| 13:34.49 | idealbsd | kbrooks_, pbuilder - personal package builder for Debian packages, it can make a base.tgz then you can chroot it and so on |
| 13:35.16 | robin_sz | Phated: well ... dont worry about it .. juststick in the debian net-install disks and answer "yes" to all the questions .. .you'll be fine |
| 13:35.33 | Phated | Why tell me? I run Debian quite happily. |
| 13:35.44 | tarzeau | !debain |
| 13:35.44 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 13:35.46 | paulswm | robin_sz: you don't need to teach Phated about debian :) |
| 13:35.57 | K_Dallas | robin_sz, yes to all? what if he has windows on some partition? |
| 13:35.59 | Phated | Oy, I spelt it right! Both times! |
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| 13:36.08 | robin_sz | oh, I thought he was asking how to learn linux on windows .. my mistake :) |
| 13:36.09 | paulswm | !prize Phated |
| 13:36.14 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 13:36.15 | K_Dallas | !lol |
| 13:36.15 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 13:36.19 | Phated | What the heck is a yogi pin? |
| 13:36.26 | paulswm | I have no idea |
| 13:36.29 | robin_sz | K_Dallas: the net install disks will solve that problem for him |
| 13:36.42 | shingouz | this is definitely not debian but with all the gurus around here.. HP Color LaserJet 5 and engine error 54.3 with some associated toner flooding. google knows nothing about it or points to the horrendously expensive repair manual. any clues on this? :) |
| 13:36.55 | K_Dallas | robin_sz, the default is to erase the whole disk and if there is another os on it, it would be gone |
| 13:36.57 | Phated | #hp? <shrug> |
| 13:36.59 | paulswm | Phated: maybe dpkg has some yogi earrings to go with it :) |
| 13:37.13 | shingouz | hehe |
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| 13:37.23 | Phated | K_Dallas: I think the default is to allow you to partition, actually. |
| 13:37.27 | initech | shingouz: sounds like a hardware issue ... the tech manuals aren't that $$$. |
| 13:37.28 | robin_sz | K_Dallas: shhh, dont spoil the suprise |
| 13:37.32 | K_Dallas | :):) |
| 13:37.51 | otje | mosty: could you explain some more? I don't have easy physical access to the linux computer in question, but it'd be nice to make ghost images |
| 13:38.08 | initech | shingouz: they're like $30 USD. |
| 13:38.27 | Phated | paulswm: She better. |
| 13:38.35 | mosty | otje, ghost works fine with ext2/ext3. there's no special steps/info required |
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| 13:38.38 | shingouz | initech: for an old beast like the clj 5 they are way too expensive. unless i cna clear the error i will use the printer as a boat anchor :) |
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| 13:38.58 | ali7288 | i use gnome and my desktop icons aren't showing up... what can be the problem? |
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| 13:39.41 | initech | shingouz: doesn't sound like the kind of error one can just "clear" ... it sounds like you need parts |
| 13:39.45 | tarzeau | ali7288: gnome |
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| 13:39.53 | Cyberax | hey debian dudes, I got a question for ya. I've compiled loads of custom kernels but this is my first time on debian, and I want a stock kernel, can I get this by apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.x? I assume 2.6.8 is the latest stock kernel since its the only one I can find :) |
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| 13:40.46 | otje | mosty: but there is no such thing as apt-get install ghost, so where do I run the ghost program so it reads ext2? |
| 13:40.52 | initech | Cyberax: yes |
| 13:40.55 | tarzeau | otje: use dd |
| 13:40.59 | shingouz | initech: i know it has to be a hardware issue, most of the old stuff is solidly enough built that if the problem can be found it can be fixed somehow. not that the printer is anything i really *need* though, it is not like i don't have enough printers around |
| 13:41.07 | paulswm | Cyberax: a stock kernel is kernelimage... if you want a stock source, you are correct, but compile the debian way as in the debian reference manual |
| 13:41.09 | kbrooks_ | Hmmm. |
| 13:41.10 | tarzeau | otje: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
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| 13:41.19 | paulswm | s/kernelim/kernel-im/ |
| 13:41.31 | kbrooks_ | I want to delve into UML. Any packages/howto for it? |
| 13:41.31 | mosty | otje, ghost is not free software. you have to buy it |
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| 13:41.38 | kbrooks_ | user mode linux |
| 13:41.46 | Cyberax | paulswm: great cheers |
| 13:41.47 | robin_sz | OK, I take it back, the open VPN scripts are nto broken |
| 13:41.47 | liable | !englishsmite paulswm |
| 13:41.59 | initech | shingouz: solid or not, it still breaks. |
| 13:42.04 | paulswm | Cyberax: and use you stock kernel-image's config... as your new base .config |
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| 13:42.08 | Phated | !typosmite paulswm |
| 13:42.16 | paulswm | Arrgh! |
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| 13:42.22 | MobyTurbo | kbrooks_: I was wondering why anyone would voluntarily want to delve into Universal Modeling Language |
| 13:42.23 | paulswm | !singlishsmite liable |
| 13:42.23 | dpkg | liable: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
| 13:42.31 | paulswm | :P |
| 13:42.34 | initech | !typosmite phated |
| 13:42.37 | shingouz | initech: true. and this one is pretty close to the point where it will suddenly transform itself into an anchor |
| 13:42.37 | Cyberax | paulswm: ok cool |
| 13:42.39 | liable | hah, thats the one |
| 13:42.44 | yo2lux | which command help me to decompress linux-2.6.11.12.tar.bz2 ? because tar xzf not work |
| 13:42.44 | leoster | hi, i have a problem in x, i am connecting to my debian box through vnc, some of my apps like firefox and azureus, images in the gui are black (no images). can anyone help? |
| 13:42.47 | kbrooks_ | MobyTurbo, user mode linux dude |
| 13:42.50 | initech | shingouz: that thing is *old* |
| 13:42.57 | K_Dallas | yo2lux, tar jxvf |
| 13:43.02 | shingouz | initech: yes it is. and huge |
| 13:43.08 | goron | Is Opera8 IMAP support broken? I can get my mail via Thunderbird and Evolution, but it seems Opera is a bit lacking in imap support. |
| 13:43.16 | yo2lux | K_Dallas thanks |
| 13:43.18 | liable | !dukes-of-hazard-smite paulswm |
| 13:43.20 | K_Dallas | pleasure |
| 13:43.26 | shingouz | yo2lux: you do not want to make a custom kernel in anycase, jsut grab a debian image and be done with it |
| 13:43.34 | paulswm | Hah |
| 13:43.44 | initech | who the hell came up with "duke-of-hazard-smite"???!?!? |
| 13:43.47 | paulswm | !geezersmite liable |
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| 13:43.57 | liable | hehe |
| 13:44.03 | liable | !botabuse |
| 13:44.04 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 13:44.07 | liable | :) |
| 13:44.11 | yo2lux | shingouz what need to do to grab this debian image ? |
| 13:44.27 | shingouz | yo2lux: apt-get |
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| 13:45.11 | shingouz | yo2lux: apt-get install kernel-image-yourdesired-version-here and you should be good |
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| 13:45.35 | yo2lux | shingouz thank you very much ! |
| 13:46.10 | spdf | !yinzersmite spdf |
| 13:46.20 | spdf | ig'nent.. |
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| 13:47.12 | liable | !kawfeesmite spdf |
| 13:47.23 | spdf | !nutsmite liable |
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| 13:47.42 | liable | mmmmmm, peanuts :) |
| 13:47.48 | spdf | That's a tasty smite.. |
| 13:47.49 | liable | salted I hope |
| 13:47.51 | yo2lux | shingouz exist a command to see which kernel versions exist ? |
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| 13:48.04 | spdf | liable, Of course. Without salt, you're just makin' peanut butter.. |
| 13:48.07 | shingouz | !tell yo2lux about search |
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| 13:48.22 | liable | heh |
| 13:48.26 | spdf | yo2lux, apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 13:49.26 | Linuxs | Hi! Anyone knows how to chmod in subfolders? |
| 13:49.39 | netman1 | Linuxs: chmod -R |
| 13:49.39 | ribnitz | Linuxs: man chmod |
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| 13:49.42 | K_Dallas | man chmod |
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| 13:49.51 | spdf | lol, "In Chapter 3 you will: ... Lose your virginity (maybe, if you play your cards right)" |
| 13:50.08 | ribnitz | spdf: :)) |
| 13:50.14 | Linuxs | K_Dallas, : Do you know how? I have tried to read. |
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| 13:50.22 | tarzeau | hehe mac os x for intel leaked |
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| 13:50.37 | ribnitz | tarzeau: it leaked? |
| 13:50.40 | spdf | tarzeau, Lies. :) |
| 13:50.46 | ribnitz | tarzeau: gimme, gimme,.. :) |
| 13:50.56 | tarzeau | look /. |
| 13:51.04 | Linuxs | netman1, Thank you. |
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| 13:51.23 | netman1 | Linuxs: you'r welcome |
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| 13:52.01 | Linuxs | netman1, I want to set permissions to 777 to all files. |
| 13:52.17 | Hablandocontigo | how do I configure my sound server for a microphone? |
| 13:52.17 | jetx | go ahead |
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| 13:52.36 | tactless | I need a recommendation for a calendar/todo system: |
| 13:52.37 | ribnitz | Linuxs: depending on the direcoty, thats a very bad idea. |
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| 13:52.40 | tarzeau | ribnitz: os x sucks, i run OPENSTEP |
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| 13:52.57 | phogg | tactless: Korganizer is good |
| 13:52.58 | ribnitz | tarzeau: OSX rox. |
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| 13:53.07 | tarzeau | tactless: $EDITER, ~/.plan and finger |
| 13:53.15 | tactless | I have a laptop and a PC, and I want those to sync up. I have a shell account with webspace but no CGI, I'd like it to be able to at least read my calendar from there as well. |
| 13:53.15 | ribnitz | Phated: greets to the free world |
| 13:53.16 | tarzeau | ribnitz: doesn't have software |
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| 13:53.16 | spdf | Rox? |
| 13:53.25 | tarzeau | ribnitz: OPENSTEP has a great office suite, where as os x doesn't |
| 13:53.28 | Rockret | i am installing debian 3.1 sarge and I am getting problem with my soundboard (soundblaster 24 bit 7.1 [sb0410 model]. My soundboard use chipset snd0106-dat. I saw site alsa, that exist driver available, but with some restriction with mic input. Making one alsa-conf -P return: "athlon:~# alsaconf -P |
| 13:53.28 | Rockret | "opl3sa2 cs4236 cs4232 cs4231 es18xx es1688 sb16 sb8" |
| 13:53.29 | tarzeau | !rox |
| 13:53.29 | dpkg | If you look for a intuitive graphical filemanager that doesnt eat all your resources, try rox! rox can be found on http://rox.sourceforge.net or woody debs at http://www.janw.easynet.be/rox/ |
| 13:53.35 | Phated | ribnitz: What free world? |
| 13:53.37 | Rockret | Anyone have some idea ? |
| 13:53.40 | Rockret | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+7.1.&chip=SB0410%2C+P17&module=ca0106 |
| 13:53.40 | Rockret | i am using kernel 2.6.8 and my alsa-conf version is 1.0.8 |
| 13:53.41 | Rockret | the problem is when I make lspci, show: |
| 13:53.41 | Rockret | 0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
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| 13:53.45 | kbrooks_ | wow |
| 13:53.46 | ribnitz | Phated: yours. |
| 13:53.48 | kbrooks_ | uml is ool |
| 13:53.53 | kbrooks_ | user mode linux |
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| 13:53.59 | kbrooks_ | seriously. |
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| 13:54.11 | Phated | reamtS_: HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 13:54.13 | netman1 | Rockret : lspci -n |
| 13:54.14 | Phated | Erm. |
| 13:54.18 | ribnitz | Phated: Sg is the only country not living in marxist/liberalist servitude. the people are free. |
| 13:54.19 | Phated | Sorry, reamtS_. |
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| 13:54.29 | Phated | ribnitz: HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA |
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| 13:54.42 | jetx | cant paste too much Rockret |
| 13:54.49 | jetx | or autokick] |
| 13:54.53 | shingouz | Rockret: you need to get the oss modules out of the kernel before you can use the alsa drivers |
| 13:55.08 | netman1 | Rockret : lspci -n |
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| 13:55.21 | Rockret | ok |
| 13:55.23 | robin_sz | anyone got any openVPN-fu? |
| 13:55.31 | ribnitz | Phated: the old other free states are cuba, and north korea.. :) |
| 13:55.44 | yo2lux | shingouz please send me again the command to find the kernel image |
| 13:56.05 | netman1 | yo2lux : apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 13:56.09 | shingouz | !tell yo2lux about search |
| 13:56.11 | Phated | ribnitz: Oh, shut up. :) |
| 13:56.17 | yo2lux | thanks ! |
| 13:56.21 | Rockret | how to remove oss modules ? |
| 13:56.32 | shingouz | yo2lux: make a note of it, you will need it in the future too |
| 13:56.58 | ribnitz | Phated: It seems to be the fate of those preaching freedom that no one wants to hear them. |
| 13:57.03 | robin_sz | my openVPN plan is to have HQ on 192.168.1.*, remote office on 192.168.2.* and another on 192.168.3.* ... sound sensible? |
| 13:57.05 | shingouz | Rockret: modprobe -r cs<whatever> to begin with, then check your /etc/moduled that the same modules are not there |
| 13:57.08 | Phated | ribnitz: Heh. |
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| 13:57.28 | kantai | is it at all possible to print to a windows shared printer withouto drivers on the linux clien |
| 13:57.32 | kantai | ? |
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| 13:57.47 | ribnitz | Phated: Kepler, Jan Hus,.. |
| 13:57.56 | marc_in_lux | hello |
| 13:58.12 | marc_in_lux | I apt-get install'ed a program |
| 13:58.17 | marc_in_lux | and removed it again |
| 13:58.26 | marc_in_lux | and then went to delete its config files in /etc |
| 13:58.27 | shingouz | !tell marc_in_lux about enter |
| 13:58.30 | shingouz | !tell marc_in_lux about ask |
| 13:58.30 | asg | marc_in_lux: dpkg -P <pkg> |
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| 13:58.47 | asg | marc_in_lux: in the future, apt-get remove --purge <pkg> will do the lot in one go. |
| 13:58.56 | jetx | marc_in_lux: so what's your point |
| 13:59.11 | Rockret | athlon:~# alsaconf -P |
| 13:59.12 | marc_in_lux | well. that seems to have been i |
| 13:59.15 | Rockret | opl3sa2 cs4236 cs4232 cs4231 es18xx es1688 sb16 sb8 |
| 13:59.17 | marc_in_lux | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.18 | jetx | ah |
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| 13:59.25 | shingouz | Rockret: lsmod |
| 13:59.29 | jetx | ok no bork or problem :) |
| 13:59.35 | Hablandocontigo | How do I determine which sound server I'm using? |
| 13:59.54 | asg | Hablandocontigo: fuser /dev/dsp ; find out what the pid represents |
| 13:59.55 | jetx | Rockret: alsa modules have snd- in front of them |
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| 14:00.11 | Rockret | snd_pcm_oss 48168 0 |
| 14:00.14 | Rockret | snd_mixer_oss 16640 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 14:00.15 | Rockret | snd_pcm 85384 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 14:00.15 | Rockret | snd_timer 23300 1 snd_pcm |
| 14:00.15 | Rockret | snd_page_alloc 11144 1 snd_pcm |
| 14:00.15 | Rockret | snd 50660 4 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
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| 14:00.35 | Rockret | damn .. |
| 14:00.35 | shingouz | Rockret: don't paste here |
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| 14:00.36 | jetx | rockret i told you you paste too much the bot autokicks you |
| 14:00.43 | jetx | !tell Rockret about paste |
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| 14:00.46 | glick | hey has anyone tried "the Battle for Wesnoth" ? how is it? |
| 14:00.54 | shingouz | Rockret: remove the cs* modules with modprobe -r as i told you already |
| 14:01.00 | jetx | glick: yuck |
| 14:01.02 | jetx | imo |
| 14:01.04 | jetx | ymmv |
| 14:01.06 | Rockret | did you get my paste result of command ? |
| 14:01.07 | RichiH | glick: i know a few people who are totally addicted |
| 14:01.08 | glick | jethro, that bad? |
| 14:01.11 | asg | glick: try it yourself and, if you don't like it, just remove it. |
| 14:01.17 | glick | jetx, its that bad? |
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| 14:01.20 | jetx | what asg said |
| 14:01.24 | Rockret | ok |
| 14:01.29 | shingouz | Rockret: you got kicked. just remove the cs* first |
| 14:01.33 | jetx | glick depends on what you like.... i owuld prefer ryzom |
| 14:02.11 | glick | jetx, i cant find that on freshmeat |
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| 14:02.28 | jetx | glick: windows only. i don't play it |
| 14:03.05 | Rockret | no cs .. modules |
| 14:03.09 | Rockret | strange |
| 14:03.13 | jetx | heh... it's a native linux app ported to windows that they don't make a linux client for :( |
| 14:03.16 | glick | damn were are the good games for linux? |
| 14:03.18 | glick | :( |
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| 14:03.21 | Rockret | only snd... modules |
| 14:03.27 | tarzeau | glick: apt-get install supertransball2 nethack supertux |
| 14:03.33 | tarzeau | glick: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros |
| 14:03.39 | spdf | glick, and neverball |
| 14:03.41 | tarzeau | glick: http://www.mtp-target.org/ |
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| 14:03.43 | shingouz | Rockret: so what were the cs4236 etc you pasted named here earlier? |
| 14:03.50 | spdf | glick, Unreal Tournement |
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| 14:03.52 | tarzeau | glick: apt-get install pathogen |
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| 14:03.59 | jetx | enemy territory! |
| 14:04.06 | tarzeau | glick: and jumpnbump dopewars |
| 14:04.06 | shingouz | Rockret: paste the full output of lsmod _into_#flood_ |
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| 14:04.16 | tarzeau | glick: and http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mog/ |
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| 14:04.51 | c0al | Does any one know how to stop / restart the OSS sound plugin? |
| 14:05.09 | c0al | or oss sound server, whatever. My sound seems to lock up some times |
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| 14:05.10 | spdf | glick, And of course, there's TransGaming which alows you to play Windows based games... |
| 14:05.50 | tarzeau | c0al: unload the module, load it again |
| 14:05.56 | Rockret | result of comand ... alsaconf -P |
| 14:06.04 | glick | i wish someone would help me write a cool airline sim game |
| 14:06.12 | shingouz | Rockret: i said lsmod, not alsaconf -P |
| 14:06.32 | asg | glick: you could have a look at flightgear |
| 14:06.36 | glick | remimber that awesome snes game aeirobiz supersonic |
| 14:06.37 | c0al | tarheelcoxn, i tried that |
| 14:06.46 | glick | asg, not a flight sim, an airline management sim |
| 14:06.49 | c0al | i get device or resource busy :( |
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| 14:06.51 | glick | build an airline |
| 14:06.54 | glick | make it profitable |
| 14:06.54 | c0al | when trying to do rmmod |
| 14:06.58 | glick | etc, etc |
| 14:06.59 | asg | glick: oh, okay. |
| 14:07.08 | glick | I will do it! |
| 14:07.13 | shingouz | c0al: modprobe -r, not rmmod |
| 14:07.16 | glick | i will build it |
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| 14:07.29 | phogg | glick: have fun |
| 14:07.34 | jetx | if you build it he will come |
| 14:07.38 | asg | glick: it's easy, undercut your staff, give lots of money to executives, file for chapter 11 a few times, stop serving meals, blame ineptitude on 9/11 |
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| 14:08.06 | Rockret | done, #flood |
| 14:08.08 | c0al | shingouz, ah, thanks. |
| 14:08.29 | c0al | soundcore: Device or resource busy |
| 14:08.32 | glick | i figure ill write it in python cause it isnt time critical, python is a breeze to write in, and its fairly cross platform |
| 14:08.32 | c0al | same error :( |
| 14:08.49 | shingouz | Rockret: ok, uname -a there too so that i know what we have |
| 14:08.51 | Rockret | Shingouz, didoyou get ? |
| 14:08.55 | spdf | asg, Good 'ol Jetsgo. Damn clowns ruined my vacation.. |
| 14:08.55 | shingouz | yup |
| 14:09.06 | Rockret | ok |
| 14:09.13 | jetx | jetsgo is an airline? |
| 14:09.16 | tarzeau | glick: and let's not forget freeciv |
| 14:09.18 | jetx | what a lame name |
| 14:09.18 | idealbsd | any play fillets-ng, how to pass the level "Giant's chest"? |
| 14:09.33 | jetx | and you rode on a plane with such a lame name? |
| 14:09.39 | spdf | jetx, It was. Then one day they just stopped flights and fired all of their staff without warning. Left me stranded at the airport... |
| 14:09.47 | jetx | ugh |
| 14:09.54 | asg | spdf: sounds like business as usual. |
| 14:09.54 | jethro | !bubnbrossmite tarzeau |
| 14:10.25 | jetx | !tabbuddysmite |
| 14:10.27 | c0al | How can i figure out what is tying up /dev/dsp ??? |
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| 14:10.28 | obsmav | how do i sniff and log all packets sent over a usb connection ? |
| 14:10.34 | glick | what shall i name it? |
| 14:10.37 | Rockret | Shingouz: done (#flood) |
| 14:10.37 | spdf | jetx, They used to have $1 return deals, if you flew on a Sunday or something like that.. |
| 14:10.47 | asg | glick: sodomy gives you wings? |
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| 14:10.51 | shingouz | Rockret: and alsaconf does not work.. hmm.. slap the relevant parts of lspci there too for me and i will see if somethign can be done ;) |
| 14:10.56 | glick | asg, brilliant! |
| 14:11.04 | spdf | jetx, I imagine that's why they went out of business.. |
| 14:11.06 | tarzeau | obsmav: drifnet |
| 14:11.22 | asg | c0al: fuser /dev/dsp (as root) |
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| 14:12.19 | Rockret | Shingouz: done (#flood) |
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| 14:12.35 | c0al | asg, that returned no output :( |
| 14:12.50 | shingouz | Rockret: lemme do a minor think here |
| 14:13.02 | asg | c0al: then install lsof and see if 'lsof | grep /dev/dsp' returns output |
| 14:13.27 | asg | c0al: if that doesn't return anything (and make sure to do it as root), I'd expect that the driver connected to /dev/dsp is broken or having issues. |
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| 14:13.42 | obsmav | tarzeau, but that only works for pictures |
| 14:13.56 | tarzeau | obsmav: then try ngrep or tcpdump |
| 14:14.00 | obsmav | tarzeau, i need somthin that works with all data sent to device foobar |
| 14:14.29 | c0al | asg, it returned nothing. is there no way to free up /dev/dsp without rebooting? |
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| 14:14.57 | c0al | also i should note, my sound only "locks up" when i kill X (along with xmms playing) via ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 14:15.06 | asg | c0al: no, if the kernel mod is frobbed, the only way to disengage it is by rebooting. (I assume you've tried /sbin/rmmod) |
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| 14:15.35 | asg | c0al: are you using a binary 3d video driver (ati or nvidia) or the standard X ones? |
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| 14:16.24 | c0al | asg, i'm using the binary Nvidia one |
| 14:16.39 | asg | c0al: you might check if the standard nv driver exhibits the same symptom. |
| 14:16.52 | asg | c0al: it might be that there is a memory map issue or irq conflict between the two. |
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| 14:17.27 | c0al | ah, okay. I'm kind of doubting a hardware issue, since i've never had this problem untill installing debian about a week ago.. |
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| 14:17.41 | hejux | is there a foobar2000 for linux ? |
| 14:17.43 | obsmav | tarzeau, is there no way to do not network packets... i was thinking more run a program and sniff all the data that the program sends over the usb connection to device foobar :P |
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| 14:18.16 | tarzeau | obsmav: no idea |
| 14:18.23 | hejux | hi |
| 14:18.27 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.35 | willsky | sarge stable |
| 14:18.41 | willsky | does it run x.org? |
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| 14:18.50 | willsky | there's x.org official debian packages? |
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| 14:18.56 | bullfrog | hello everybody |
| 14:19.06 | Sofia4 | ciao a tutti |
| 14:19.06 | tarzeau | willsky: n |
| 14:19.08 | tarzeau | willsky: o |
| 14:19.11 | willsky | wow |
| 14:19.27 | Sofia4 | c'è qualche italiano??? |
| 14:19.34 | tarzeau | !it |
| 14:19.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:19.42 | daxiang | willsky: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 14:19.48 | Sofia4 | thanks |
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| 14:20.42 | willsky | thanks |
| 14:20.50 | RichiH | !it =~ s/-it,/-it ,/ |
| 14:20.51 | willsky | another thing |
| 14:20.51 | dpkg | RichiH: that doesn't contain '-it,' |
| 14:21.00 | willsky | well it's about firefox and java |
| 14:21.07 | RichiH | !it =~ s/\-it,/\-it ,/ |
| 14:21.07 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '\-it,', RichiH |
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| 14:21.17 | willsky | may be it's not the right place to talk about it |
| 14:21.21 | asg | RichiH: use !italian |
| 14:21.22 | mwilson | willsky: And you'll get around to asking it... when? |
| 14:21.30 | asg | RichiH: !it is a 'see also' italian |
| 14:21.35 | RichiH | !italian =~ s/-it,/-it ,/ |
| 14:21.36 | dpkg | RichiH: OK |
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| 14:21.39 | RichiH | asg: :) |
| 14:21.46 | daxiang | wilsky /dpkg msg mozilla java |
| 14:21.52 | asg | RichiH: that bug trips me up all the time ;) |
| 14:21.53 | RichiH | !italian =~ s/-it)/-it )/ |
| 14:21.54 | dpkg | RichiH: OK |
| 14:21.58 | RichiH | !it |
| 14:22.00 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:22.00 | hejux | is there a foobar2000 for linux ? |
| 14:22.01 | nsanity | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.19 | RichiH | hejux: what is foobar2000? |
| 14:22.21 | Xuse | hejux nope. |
| 14:22.34 | asg | hejux: touch /usr/local/bin/foobar2000 ; chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/foobar2000 |
| 14:22.43 | Xuse | the best damn audio player ever made? |
| 14:22.53 | asg | hejux: still a work in progress though |
| 14:23.07 | nsanity | If this is answered anywhere please let me know... but how do I fix the aptitude problems because now I can't update anymore... |
| 14:23.53 | deucalion | hejux: no |
| 14:24.11 | deucalion | hejux: but it works fine with wine - I use it that way at least :) |
| 14:24.47 | deucalion | hejux: but only for listening to music... tagging and such has to be done in vmware or sth similar... that's because the dialogue boxes are somewhat troublesome for wine... no idea why |
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| 14:25.08 | deucalion | hejux: but IIRC it's being worked on (the extended dialog/MFC functionality in wine) |
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| 14:26.13 | tarzeau | Xuse: Cynthiune.app |
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| 14:26.22 | tarzeau | Xuse: or opencubicplayer at gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 14:26.27 | ndazza | hi |
| 14:27.37 | glick | my game will rock the free world! |
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| 14:27.42 | deucalion | hejux: http://proxy.wien.schallar.com/screenshots/foobar2k_on_wine.png :) |
| 14:27.47 | glick | i will create college dropouts everywhere because of it! |
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| 14:28.19 | hejux | i got a wine |
| 14:28.29 | supaman | damnation, mozplugger doesnt work anymore, when I try to listen to some webstream then in the past mozplugger would fire up mplayer and all would work well, but for the last few weeks each time I try to listen to some show I dont get any sound and ps -A shows 2783 ? 00:00:00 mozplugger-help <defunct> |
| 14:28.30 | abrotman | what the hell |
| 14:28.31 | hejux | i ll try |
| 14:29.21 | asg | abrotman: 10:17 -!- xdamienx [~omen@hellbeast.net] has joined #debian |
| 14:29.22 | supaman | I just upgraded from sarge to etch an the problem was before the upgrade, so upgrading didnt solve the problem |
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| 14:30.00 | abrotman | asg: number of the beast!!! |
| 14:30.08 | asg | abrotman: one of my favorite albums |
| 14:30.10 | daxiang | supaman: well wouldn't upgrade to ethc, but rather to sid |
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| 14:30.19 | abrotman | asg: judas priest! |
| 14:30.42 | supaman | daxiang: well, not quite that adventurous ... :-) |
| 14:30.46 | deucalion | hejux: if you got any questions, feel free 2 ask again :) |
| 14:30.48 | zeroC | if i start my Xorg w/ startx x it´ll start, but my mousepointer don´t move, cannot find any errors in my xorg.conf |
| 14:30.50 | abrotman | !2 |
| 14:30.50 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 14:30.50 | asg | abrotman: Iron Maiden |
| 14:30.54 | deucalion | concerning wine+foobar |
| 14:30.58 | abrotman | asg: i meant in philly |
| 14:31.04 | paulswm | going to sid isn't an upgrade, it is a signal that you are OK with your system breaking |
| 14:31.14 | daxiang | supaman: no it's the other way around. you will have more problems with etch than with sid. |
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| 14:31.18 | deucalion | abrotman: that's news for me, you know ;) |
| 14:31.20 | kbrooks_ | can I run X in UML? |
| 14:31.21 | hejux | deucalion: minilyrics cannt be loaded |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman | paulswm: or .. you're an idiot :) |
| 14:31.28 | asg | abrotman: yeah, I know. spoopin is in NY at a wedding this weekend so he won't have any time off, since he just started working for us. |
| 14:31.28 | supaman | daxiang: why do you say that? |
| 14:31.28 | kbrooks_ | user mode linux |
| 14:31.29 | nsanity | So what is etch? |
| 14:31.29 | deucalion | hejux: forget any plugins |
| 14:31.33 | paulswm | daxiang: That is complet nonsense |
| 14:31.35 | kbrooks_ | nsanity, sarge |
| 14:31.39 | abrotman | asg: just go negative! |
| 14:31.47 | hejux | deucalion how to forget ? |
| 14:31.47 | deucalion | hejux: it _only_ works fine for basic musicplayback + playlists |
| 14:31.48 | asg | abrotman: heh |
| 14:31.50 | kbrooks_ | sarge -> etch <- sarge |
| 14:31.51 | kbrooks_ | :P |
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| 14:31.58 | abrotman | kbrooks_: what are you saying ? |
| 14:32.14 | abrotman | !etch |
| 14:32.15 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
| 14:32.16 | deucalion | "forget about any plugins" <-- that's what I wanted to say |
| 14:32.23 | kbrooks_ | abrotman, obviously.......... |
| 14:32.24 | hejux | i config minilyrics to foobar when in windows |
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| 14:32.28 | tarzeau | caphuso: hah, germany |
| 14:32.30 | c0al | asg, i figured out my problem. When i was re-starting X, Xfce was importing the settings from the last session. the last session in which i had the volume set to zero ! LOL. :) |
| 14:32.31 | asg | caphuso: wtf? |
| 14:32.41 | asg | c0al: ah |
| 14:32.46 | tarzeau | asg: he lives in the wrong country |
| 14:32.47 | hejux | deucalion i know it |
| 14:32.49 | nsanity | etch = testing |
| 14:32.51 | caphuso | stupid submitter. could have turned his brain on |
| 14:32.51 | deucalion | hejux: only plain musicplayback.. everything else is too hard to chew for wine |
| 14:32.53 | faked | isn't etch==unstable? |
| 14:32.56 | daxiang | paulswm: really? soon, there will bee gcc-4.0, x.org, major releases of kde/qt and things will get worse (probably). In any case, using sid (with some holds) you are better of than with testing (if you don't want to use sarge, that is). |
| 14:32.57 | hejux | but how to get rib of it ? |
| 14:33.01 | nsanity | okay that makes sense |
| 14:33.01 | deucalion | hejux: else... vmware :-| |
| 14:33.12 | ralf | what are *UND* symbols in `objdump -t` output? |
| 14:33.13 | hejux | get rid of it |
| 14:33.19 | abrotman | faked: no |
| 14:33.30 | supaman | faked: no, sid is and allways will be the unstable branch ... |
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| 14:33.50 | deucalion | hejux: uhm... do a fresh install for wine on/in wine of foobar2k? |
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| 14:34.01 | hejux | hey |
| 14:34.02 | abrotman | or ask #winehq ? |
| 14:34.03 | deucalion | hejux: that's what I did at least... and worked fine... |
| 14:34.03 | faked | ah, etch==testing and sid==unstable? |
| 14:34.06 | hejux | i got it |
| 14:34.06 | nsanity | yes |
| 14:34.11 | abrotman | faked: yes |
| 14:34.12 | asg | tarzeau: The morons that come up with these stupid justifications should be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. |
| 14:34.12 | supaman | faked: correct |
| 14:34.12 | hejux | it opend |
| 14:34.20 | hejux | it works |
| 14:34.20 | tarzeau | asg: ack |
| 14:34.43 | asg | syn-ack |
| 14:35.00 | abrotman | fin |
| 14:35.01 | supaman | ok, then, how would I go about debugging this problem, strace? |
| 14:35.04 | deucalion | btw, are subfolders a standard-feature of IMAPv4? or is that an extension to the standard? |
| 14:35.15 | david__ | anyone using xine to watch commercial dvds? I get message saying that I can't read crypted dvds. What do you have to install to get it do work? I'm already using libdvdcss2 from ftp.nerim.net |
| 14:35.17 | deucalion | (subfolders including subfolders of folders etc etc) |
| 14:35.17 | gandy909 | Has anyone went through the procedures in the Securing Debian Manual since installing Sarge? Section 4.10.1 appears to need updating in regards to what to do about the 'other' file |
| 14:35.24 | tarzeau | A BROT MAN IN THE MIDDLE DETECTED..CARRIER LOST |
| 14:35.27 | abrotman | asg: just my imagination .. or things gone drastically downhill in the last week or so ? |
| 14:35.38 | nsanity | deucalion: a bit OT isn't that? |
| 14:35.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: sorry about last night .. i was out for a few beers |
| 14:35.52 | asg | abrotman: in here? yes. 1) Summer holiday in the US, 2) sarge was released so every fool is trying to play with it. |
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| 14:36.04 | deucalion | nsanity: uhm... yes, however... if someone knows about it, doesn't hurt to ask, does it? ;) |
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| 14:36.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: what was last night? i've been out grilling/beer too |
| 14:36.09 | nsanity | deucalion: it's part of the standard |
| 14:36.14 | deucalion | nsanity: thanks :) |
| 14:36.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: you wanted me and jethro to play bubnbros |
| 14:36.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: that musta been after noon |
| 14:36.38 | asg | abrotman: well, August will likely come before that |
| 14:36.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: err midnight |
| 14:36.48 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:37.28 | david__ | I was always under the impression that most using debian were already running sarge |
| 14:37.44 | tarzeau | david__: i've been using sid since 99 |
| 14:38.00 | david__ | tarzeau: wow |
| 14:38.01 | asg | david__: no, many are still running woody. |
| 14:38.02 | paulswm | daxiang: Sorry, was afk, but, for example, gnome was broken in sid for a couple of days, not sure if it still is or not. I upgraded 5 widely differing boxes from sarge to etch yesterday withing 15 minutes, and have not encountered any issues with any apps. To suggest that sid is a better choice for a working desktop is just plain incorrect, and misleading inexperienced users into a world of hurt. |
| 14:38.10 | abrotman | asg: we are ? |
| 14:38.26 | asg | abrotman: I am on at least 50% of my servers, less critical ones are running sarge. |
| 14:38.33 | david__ | asg: how can one know this? |
| 14:38.33 | paulswm | ANyway, off now for a while |
| 14:38.43 | abrotman | asg: i updated mine the other day .. i only had two left that were still woody |
| 14:38.55 | paulswm | :beer asg and abrotman |
| 14:38.59 | paulswm | !beer asg and abrotman |
| 14:39.02 | asg | david__: a guess based on experience. |
| 14:39.15 | asg | paulswm: I'm already a step ahead of you on that front. |
| 14:39.22 | paulswm | !prize asg |
| 14:39.25 | daxiang | paulswm: that's not what i'm suggesting. sid is better than testing, or will be soon. but i suggest everybody else to use sarge. i mean you don't even have security yet! |
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| 14:39.35 | abrotman | asg: the alpha upgrade was wonky .. dist-upgrade(granted i used apt-get.. not aptitude) .. forgot to upgrade/install ssh and bind9(primary DNS) |
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| 14:40.01 | asg | abrotman: ouch. I haven't had any problems so far. |
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| 14:40.16 | david__ | asg: yeah I guess I was one of the many running woody till this weekend... now running sarge |
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| 14:40.20 | abrotman | daxiang: you should probably stop talking now |
| 14:40.33 | paulswm | daxiang: etch will almost always work fine, sid will not. Newer and unstested does not equate to better than older but tested. |
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| 14:40.43 | paulswm | Really gone |
| 14:40.46 | asg | abrotman: been busy though, my car thermo died, my tv died, my beer fridge died, and now my AC has gone. |
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| 14:40.59 | abrotman | asg: so .. nothing is cold anymore eh :) |
| 14:41.00 | nsanity | what do people in here use for firewall scripts? homemade or packages? |
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| 14:41.37 | asg | abrotman: fortunately, I've managed to resurrect the fridge and the AC so at least I'm cool. Watching TV on a 12" from 20 feet away is a challenge though. |
| 14:41.37 | mosty | paulswm: also, "well tested" doesn't mean "work fine" :) it takes time for fixes to propagate into testing |
| 14:42.04 | abrotman | asg: new tv time! |
| 14:42.07 | asg | nsanity: a combination. firehol is a nice package you might want to look at. |
| 14:42.17 | nsanity | asg: ok |
| 14:42.19 | asg | abrotman: yeah, looks that way. |
| 14:42.43 | abrotman | asg: and LCD of course! |
| 14:43.27 | abrotman | aw crap .. i should really shower |
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| 14:45.48 | Rockret | in bios exist one option "interrupt mode" ... what is the best choice: APIC or PIC ? |
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| 14:46.23 | McRayZoR | hello all |
| 14:46.26 | bob2 | apic, if it works |
| 14:46.37 | McRayZoR | i need a bit of help if some one has the time?# |
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| 14:47.15 | faked | McRayZoR: if you have time to ask? |
| 14:47.17 | McRayZoR | i need to know how to run a ISO install package straing from my hard drive? |
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| 14:47.26 | Rockret | interface network do not get "IP" (install) via dhcp with APIC ... |
| 14:47.31 | bob2 | McRayZoR: you can't |
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| 14:47.38 | Rockret | is regular APIC do not works ? |
| 14:47.42 | McRayZoR | darn |
| 14:48.00 | daxiang | McRayZoR: you can mount the iso |
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| 14:48.03 | Rockret | motherboard a7s266-vm |
| 14:48.19 | McRayZoR | will that run from the hard drive then? |
| 14:48.20 | strfryed | does anyone know/have a deb for ltmodem for 2.6.8-2 (e.g stable)? |
| 14:48.22 | bob2 | McRayZoR: maybe I misinterpreted you |
| 14:48.30 | bob2 | McRayZoR: you can't install debian from a cd image on a hard disk |
| 14:48.32 | McRayZoR | can you tell me hoe or give me a web link ? |
| 14:48.40 | bob2 | McRayZoR: once debian is installed, tho, you can install things off cd images |
| 14:48.43 | robin_sz | a web link? |
| 14:48.52 | daxiang | McRayZoR: you can access your files then |
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| 14:49.29 | McRayZoR | but ATM i have windows installed and i want to install debian over the top but the comp i am using does not have a CD RW |
| 14:49.49 | bob2 | how new is it? |
| 14:49.53 | gandy909 | sure you can, its a pain in the ass tho |
| 14:50.17 | McRayZoR | well its a p 166 ..... |
| 14:50.23 | McRayZoR | so not very new at all |
| 14:50.30 | bob2 | McRayZoR: then it's unlikely to be able to pxeboot |
| 14:50.52 | McRayZoR | im going to over clokc it in a while tho to make it a p 2 or even a 3 |
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| 14:51.08 | McRayZoR | umm |
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| 14:51.34 | bob2 | McRayZoR: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install |
| 14:51.39 | bob2 | McRayZoR: you can use pxeboot |
| 14:51.58 | McRayZoR | and does this link tell me how to do that? |
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| 14:52.33 | McRayZoR | u see i have just downloaded the net install package. |
| 14:52.45 | McRayZoR | so i can pxeboot that yes? |
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| 14:53.26 | bob2 | no |
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| 14:54.48 | McRayZoR | bob2: can you tell me what section i need to look in this guide? |
| 14:54.55 | supaman | can I use gdb to debug a program that I installed with apt-get and is defunct ? |
| 14:55.09 | bob2 | look for the letters "pxe" |
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| 14:55.27 | McRayZoR | bob2: ok thanks, if i need more assistance ill ask:D |
| 14:55.34 | asg | supaman: /msg dpkg zombie |
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| 14:55.44 | supaman | asg, ok, thanks |
| 14:56.35 | daxiang | McRayZor: you could go for floppies: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2530649 |
| 14:57.15 | mrfrenzy | you only need two floppies, then you proceed with netinstall |
| 14:57.26 | supaman | asg: so no, since the process is dead I cant attach to it ... |
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| 14:57.50 | asg | supaman: you can but it's just in a wait state so it likely won't do any good. |
| 14:57.57 | asg | supaman: you can try debugging the parent, if it is still around |
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| 14:58.05 | McRayZoR | i might try that it seem a good option.. |
| 14:58.16 | jonkri | how hard is it to go back to stable if i use testing? |
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| 14:58.30 | supaman | asg: but I think the problem is in this zombie process, since two different programs that call it make it a zombie |
| 14:58.32 | ledet | jonkri: very |
| 14:58.35 | strfryed | has anyone gotten an ltmodem working with sarge after it went stable? |
| 14:58.37 | jonkri | ledet ok :( |
| 14:58.43 | asg | supaman: oh, okay. |
| 14:58.51 | jonkri | is sarge stable already? |
| 14:58.51 | ledet | jonkri: altough there isnt much difference these days |
| 14:58.55 | asg | supaman: you might check the bts to see if anyone else has experienced the problem |
| 14:58.56 | McRayZoR | i can just download the netinstall and the two floppie images? |
| 14:58.58 | ledet | jonkri: yes |
| 14:59.04 | Rockret | Shingouz, are you there ? |
| 14:59.07 | ledet | jonkri: "already" :) |
| 14:59.10 | supaman | asg: yeh ... will have a look through there |
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| 14:59.20 | jonkri | ledet shouldn't i be able just to switch to stable then, if the basic packages are the same? |
| 14:59.25 | daxiang | McRayZor: you just need the floppies |
| 14:59.29 | asg | supaman: also, downgrading the package to the previous version (/msg dpkg sdn) might help you determine if it broke during an upgrade. |
| 14:59.35 | ledet | jonkri: the question is rather: why? |
| 14:59.43 | Rockret | Shingouz: I change sound on board in my BIOS, and works .. not soundblaster pci |
| 14:59.59 | McRayZoR | the link i was give is just a Txt page anyone know whre to get the floppies images? |
| 15:00.14 | Rockret | Shingouz: change to enable |
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| 15:00.25 | jonkri | ledet i want security updates for my server |
| 15:00.37 | ledet | jonkri: ah |
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| 15:00.47 | ledet | jonkri: you'll get those with testing too... |
| 15:00.53 | ledet | eventually |
| 15:01.03 | strfryed | anyone know where I can still get the 2.6.8-1 for sarge rather than the 2.6.8-2 it shipped with? |
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| 15:01.12 | jonkri | oh, i tried replace stable with testing but it said file not found |
| 15:01.14 | jonkri | ah, when? |
| 15:01.18 | supaman | asg: yeh, but the problem existed before I upgraded to etch |
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| 15:01.34 | ledet | jonkri: no idea |
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| 15:01.40 | jonkri | ledet ok |
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| 15:01.46 | asg | supaman: well, it could have been a pre-existing non-critical bug in sarge. |
| 15:01.53 | asg | supaman: hard to say without checking the bts. |
| 15:02.06 | ethics | if i have packages in dpkg -l which show as r ie removed what do i used to purge...dpkg or apt-get? |
| 15:02.13 | asg | supaman: also, you might try tracing the parent (with the monitor child option) and see if anything odd pops up. |
| 15:02.21 | asg | ethics: dpkg -P <pkg> |
| 15:02.33 | Rockret | be right back .. shower |
| 15:02.37 | bigbill52a | if i restart the computer, reboot, the boot hangs...but from a halt, it seems to boot...still hangs but then recovers... |
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| 15:02.50 | ethics | asg can i clear all of the removed? |
| 15:03.10 | asg | ethics: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
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| 15:03.14 | ledet | jonkri: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 15:03.22 | Rawplayer | linuxnoob: #knoppix |
| 15:03.24 | supaman | asg: had a look through the bug page for the package, nothing there |
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| 15:03.45 | supaman | asg: try the strace with monitor child |
| 15:03.45 | asg | supaman: it might be time to file one then. Which program is causing the issue? |
| 15:03.48 | jonkri | thank you ledet |
| 15:03.49 | ethics | asg ahh thats what i wanted hehe |
| 15:03.54 | bigbill52a | something in the initscripts? |
| 15:03.56 | strfryed | bigbill52a, that can often be a symptom of a AGP divsor that's too low |
| 15:03.58 | ledet | !tell jonkri about security |
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| 15:04.19 | bigbill52a | what do you mean? |
| 15:04.30 | supaman | asg: it happens in both firefox and opera when they call mozplugger and I am trying to listen to a audio stream ... then mozplugger-help defuncts |
| 15:04.41 | strfryed | if you have your FSB clocked up pretty high and you only have the AGP on 1/2 clock rather than 2/3 |
| 15:04.45 | strfryed | sometime the video won't init |
| 15:04.48 | strfryed | on reboot |
| 15:04.51 | strfryed | but it will on cold boot |
| 15:04.52 | bigbill52a | i have the correct ati driver on here....glxgears works fine... |
| 15:04.59 | strfryed | cool - just checking |
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| 15:05.10 | asg | supaman: oh, okay. |
| 15:05.43 | daxiang | ethics: dpkg --purge --no-act $( dpkg --get-selections | grep -i deinstall | cut -f1) |
| 15:06.11 | jonkri | thanks |
| 15:06.18 | stinger_ | dpkg-buildpackage is not making libgcc1-arm.deb on a AMD64 machine for a ARM host :( |
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| 15:06.34 | bigbill52a | msi k8t neo with ati xt9600 amd 64 with the latest ati driver... |
| 15:06.48 | stinger_ | anyone has set up a toolchains on a AMD64? |
| 15:06.58 | robin_sz | quick kewstion ... to get an apt-get upgrade every night .. from cron .. is this a sensible thing to do? |
| 15:07.01 | asg | stinger_: #debian-amd64 might have |
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| 15:07.14 | bigbill52a | use 386 |
| 15:07.20 | stinger_ | asg thx |
| 15:07.24 | asg | robin_sz: cront-apt |
| 15:07.26 | jonkri | robin_sz yes, don't forget assume-yes |
| 15:07.27 | daxiang | robin_sz: on stable? |
| 15:07.30 | bigbill52a | kernel because not enough avail in amd 64 |
| 15:07.34 | jonkri | asg oh |
| 15:07.46 | asg | robin_sz: getting the debs is, auto-installing them is discouraged. |
| 15:07.46 | robin_sz | daxiang: yes, on stable |
| 15:07.54 | asg | robin_sz: s/cront/cron/ |
| 15:07.54 | robin_sz | oh, |
| 15:07.56 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 15:08.02 | bigbill52a | how would i set up the clock on the card |
| 15:10.05 | robin_sz | weird ... apt-cache search cron-apt show the cron-apt package |
| 15:10.19 | robin_sz | apt-get install cron-apt .. no installation candidate |
| 15:10.35 | singe | robin_sz: resynch your sources |
| 15:10.42 | daxiang | robin_sz: do dselect update |
| 15:10.49 | singe | robin_sz: or delete your local lists? |
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| 15:11.34 | robin_sz | singe: you mean do an apt-get update? |
| 15:11.57 | asg | robin_sz: yes |
| 15:12.07 | robin_sz | did that .. still no joy |
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| 15:12.28 | asg | robin_sz: what does 'apt-cache policy cron-apt' say the Candidate version is? |
| 15:12.47 | daxiang | robin_sz: dselect update will update the list of available packages as well (so grep-available and such work) |
| 15:12.49 | dan2 | asg! |
| 15:13.02 | asg | dan2: morning |
| 15:13.18 | jak | hi. is it possible for a process which runs under uid x to create a child process with uid y? (x != 0 and y != 0) |
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| 15:13.24 | carminati | every time I boot debian i have to run "alsaconf" or "killall esd" for sound work... what can i do? |
| 15:13.35 | robin_sz | asg: candidate: none , version table 0.3.0.0 |
| 15:13.48 | dan2 | asg: isn't it too early in the day for that? |
| 15:13.55 | asg | robin_sz: well, that's sarge or etch/sid's version. Do you have anything odd in your sources? |
| 15:14.06 | asg | dan2: anything after 10:30am is fine with me. |
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| 15:14.20 | robin_sz | ummm, I am tracking sarge, which is now stable |
| 15:14.32 | robin_sz | should I track stable directly? |
| 15:14.44 | asg | robin_sz: sarge/stable should have the same effect. |
| 15:14.45 | daxiang | robin_sz: no sarge is fine |
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| 15:14.50 | robin_sz | 'k |
| 15:15.18 | robin_sz | asg: I have -1 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org sarge/main Packages in the version table |
| 15:15.25 | martinja | SO happy! Just got Debian working with my audigy 2 zs and as well have ntfs auto mounted and avaible for all gid 1000 users! |
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| 15:15.42 | martinja | Now, anyone here that can recommend a good anti virus program? |
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| 15:15.53 | paulswm | asg: Re. beer time, the UK boarding school I attended was founded in 1608, and in the early days at breakfast, the students poured beer on their oatmeal (uk porridge) to cool it. |
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| 15:16.06 | robin_sz | debian *is* an anti virus program :) |
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| 15:16.12 | shingouz | martinja: what module did you use for the audigy? |
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| 15:16.46 | martinja | Could you put that question in more lamens term please? |
| 15:16.50 | USnix | howcome the webpage makes it seem like a version goes through the process like this? Unstable >> Testing >> Stable. i thought it was Testing >> Unstable >> Stable????? |
| 15:17.16 | shingouz | martinja: the driver for the sound card, what one did you use? |
| 15:17.28 | martinja | robin_sz does debian scan for potential harmfull executed code? |
| 15:17.40 | shingouz | s/what/which.. i need caffeine |
| 15:17.53 | USnix | Cause before Sarge went stable, wasnt SID the TESTING??? |
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| 15:18.04 | KoopaPoopa | sid is always unstable |
| 15:18.05 | shingouz | martinja: it is very very hard to execute harmful cond on any linux install |
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| 15:18.22 | martinja | I installed with alsa modules for 2.4.8 kernel |
| 15:18.26 | robin_sz | martinja: harmful to debian, yes .. harmful to other stuff, no |
| 15:18.30 | martinja | and re ran alsaconf |
| 15:18.47 | KoopaPoopa | i've been given a dvd with hidden files written in windows... is there a way to view them in debian? |
| 15:18.51 | KoopaPoopa | i cant see them |
| 15:18.56 | USnix | KoopaPoopa, so Unstable does come before testing? |
| 15:18.56 | martinja | robin_sz such as other stuff would be documents on debian? |
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| 15:19.12 | shingouz | martinja: could you paste 'lsmod | grep snd' in #flood when you have the time, i could use the information? |
| 15:19.22 | martinja | I will do it now |
| 15:19.33 | KoopaPoopa | unstable > testing > stable |
| 15:19.33 | martinja | How should I write it to input into a text file? |
| 15:19.34 | shingouz | USnix: yes. and do not run unstable (=Sid) |
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| 15:19.52 | martinja | So unstable is very much "experimental"? |
| 15:19.59 | USnix | shingouz, i have been running sid for almost 2 months i am a tester |
| 15:20.11 | USnix | but thx for the warning |
| 15:20.25 | USnix | and i run Gentoo for personal use when im not testing |
| 15:20.31 | shingouz | martinja: you do not need to do so, just open a terminal, execute the command, paint what you want to paste, point to the #flood and hit the middle button |
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| 15:20.38 | paulswm | martinja: you can find the distro definitions here: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 15:20.42 | asg | paulswm: I often have a warm beer for breakfast, it aids in toiletry function. |
| 15:20.45 | martinja | Thanks |
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| 15:20.50 | faked | USnix: I'm running unstable since 3 years |
| 15:20.55 | asg | robin_sz: that should be fine then, odd. |
| 15:20.58 | martinja | Ok, who wanted me to post something in #flood? |
| 15:20.59 | shingouz | USnix: you have no idea how many idiots show up here with about 2 hours of unix experience going: "i run sid" |
| 15:21.08 | paulswm | asg: Good, stay regular :) |
| 15:21.08 | shingouz | martinja: i did :) |
| 15:21.11 | martinja | Accidently closed IRC by misstake before I had time to copy paste it |
| 15:21.18 | martinja | Could you write again what I should check? |
| 15:21.19 | shingouz | heh |
| 15:21.23 | robin_sz | asg: well, not to worry, I'll just try and rememebr to run it from time to time |
| 15:21.28 | asg | paulswm: works for me. |
| 15:21.31 | shingouz | martinja: lsmod | grep snd |
| 15:21.39 | asg | robin_sz: you might try a different mirror just to make sure. |
| 15:21.42 | paulswm | shingouz: two hours' experience because that's how long they last before something breaks :P |
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| 15:21.50 | USnix | shingouz, lol i do run sid, and have been but not for personal use, why would i, i would rather have a source based distro, something truely "stable" |
| 15:21.56 | shingouz | paulswm: exactly. then they show up here and whine |
| 15:22.02 | robin_sz | asg: I run the same sources list on another box, that just installed it no problem |
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| 15:22.12 | martinja | atlast Windows is 2nd OS here :) |
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| 15:22.14 | robin_sz | and I do mean the same sources list |
| 15:22.20 | asg | robin_sz: maybe some local corruption in the packages.lst perhaps |
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| 15:22.30 | paulswm | USnix: source based does not make something stable. |
| 15:22.31 | USnix | something that can run r9 and still be stable |
| 15:22.33 | robin_sz | can I just delte that? |
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| 15:22.52 | robin_sz | asg: can I just delete that and retry? |
| 15:22.58 | asg | robin_sz: well, back it up somewhere first, just in case. |
| 15:23.02 | KoopaPoopa | is there a way to view windows hidden files in linux? |
| 15:23.09 | USnix | paulswm, no, but knowing what you are doing when making you're flags and when building, does make something stable and cutting edge |
| 15:23.21 | martinja | shingouz : http://pastebin.ca/14076 |
| 15:23.30 | dojmi | Hello everybody. I have a problem with a corrupted filesystem on an USB pen drive and I cannot mount it as /dev/sda1 device. Can anybody help me? |
| 15:23.31 | robin_sz | asg: ok, where does it live, locate cant find it ... |
| 15:23.32 | paulswm | !qotd77 |
| 15:23.32 | dpkg | hmm... qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 15:23.33 | shingouz | lets see |
| 15:23.38 | martinja | Who here trusts SELinux? |
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| 15:23.55 | asg | robin_sz: /var/cache/apt |
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| 15:24.02 | shingouz | martinja: thou shalt not poll :) |
| 15:24.15 | asg | martinja: trust yes, get it to work without having to sacrifice goats, no. |
| 15:24.21 | lamp_ | what is a good grafical dvd burner for gnome. An alternative for k3b |
| 15:24.23 | martinja | hehehehe |
| 15:24.28 | paulswm | USnix: That's BS, stability depends on bug-free code and correct dependencies, not compiling from source. |
| 15:24.40 | shingouz | martinja: amd thanks for the paste, i hope this one helps another one with a similar problem |
| 15:24.50 | toresbe | what paulswm said, as is often the case :P |
| 15:24.58 | robin_sz | asg: I dont have it in there ... |
| 15:25.05 | paulswm | !highfive toresbe |
| 15:25.08 | paulswm | :( |
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| 15:25.25 | toresbe | :highfive $1 is <action> gives $1 a big high-five |
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| 15:25.28 | toresbe | uups |
| 15:25.28 | asg | robin_sz: just backup the whole directory somewhere, delete the whole lot, and apt-get update |
| 15:25.29 | toresbe | !highfive $1 is <action> gives $1 a big high-five |
| 15:25.31 | dpkg | toresbe: okay |
| 15:25.34 | toresbe | !highfive paulswm |
| 15:25.47 | dojmi | Hello everybody. I have a problem with a corrupted filesystem on an USB pen drive and I cannot mount it as /dev/sda1 device. Can anybody help me? |
| 15:25.50 | paulswm | !prize toresbe |
| 15:25.58 | USnix | paulswm, thats BS, and a matter of ill fated opinion, stability depends on building something from a good source and for your hardware |
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| 15:26.19 | toresbe | !idle |
| 15:26.31 | toresbe | yay! it works |
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| 15:27.16 | daxiang | USnix: i have some pii-300 running here, i probably wouldn't want to compile everything by myself |
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| 15:27.21 | shingouz | !camelsmite toresbe |
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| 15:28.10 | toresbe | hahahaha - wtf |
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| 15:28.10 | shingouz | sheeeesh |
| 15:28.15 | daxiang | ???? |
| 15:28.19 | shingouz | daxiang: netsplit |
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| 15:28.19 | daxiang | shingouz: thx |
| 15:28.34 | shingouz | *i* didn't do it :p |
| 15:28.44 | daxiang | that's what all say |
| 15:28.56 | USnix | daxiang, and why not, we have bins as well for huge things like Oo, but we have many many users on slower procs than that, if yur gunna build something big, the biggest think ya usually have to build is like KDE which on a PIII would take about 7 Hours, but ya do it when ya sleep |
| 15:29.01 | shingouz | i have an alibi.. |
| 15:29.19 | shingouz | !gentoosmite USnix |
| 15:29.21 | USnix | daxiang, and the good thing is that it will work well when its done and ya will never have to worry about it |
| 15:29.22 | shingouz | ;) |
| 15:29.34 | paulswm | !qotd51 |
| 15:29.34 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 15:29.51 | shingouz | !beer paulswm |
| 15:29.53 | USnix | dpkg, that means ya don't know what you are doing |
| 15:29.54 | dpkg | USnix: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 15:30.05 | shingouz | dpkg: what are you |
| 15:30.05 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 15:30.33 | USnix | anyways im not here to start distro wars, especially in a Debian room, cause i LOVE debian it where i started and still where i send newbs, well and Ubuntu |
| 15:30.41 | USnix | so Im off the subject now |
| 15:30.45 | daxiang | USnix: well i'm not that sure about "never have to worry". If I go for the "regular configure options", then I could install binary-packages as well. But if I want to mess with things myself, I probably will have some troubles. I mean look at the kernel. |
| 15:30.46 | shingouz | :) |
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| 15:31.30 | shingouz | daxiang: as USnix said, lets just let this topic rest, ok. no real need for a war on the channel on a sunday |
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| 15:31.51 | jak | nah, mandrake is the best :)) |
| 15:31.58 | martinja | Any happy mx1000 users here? |
| 15:32.05 | daxiang | alright ;) |
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| 15:32.22 | shingouz | martinja: as i told you before: thou shalt not poll :) |
| 15:32.57 | tarzeau | shingouz: reminds me to play some nethack, telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 15:33.13 | martinja | I thought you were away, you know, when the cat is away, the mice dance on the table. |
| 15:33.14 | shingouz | heh. nethack is important |
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| 15:33.25 | shingouz | martinja: i live here :p |
| 15:33.30 | asg | tarzeau: are you just tee(1)ing the output to netcat? |
| 15:33.39 | xophEr | do you know how I can modify the apperance of the xscreensaver 'locked'-dialog, like its modified in ubuntu ( http://www.tufan.com.tr/~ercin/sshot/ubuntu_xscreensaver_lock_thumb.png ) ? |
| 15:33.48 | kbrooks_ | Eh? |
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| 15:34.01 | tarzeau | asg: www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/nethackd and then i start nethack | tee yea |
| 15:34.02 | kbrooks_ | I got dc in a netsplit |
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| 15:34.08 | tarzeau | asg: it's not a netcat but inetd ;) |
| 15:34.09 | martinja | Shingouz if_ lsmod | grep evdev _gives noting, whats wrong? |
| 15:34.19 | asg | tarzeau: ah, okay. |
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| 15:34.32 | shingouz | martinja: i do not know, sorry |
| 15:34.36 | martinja | I am trying to follow the http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46 guide, but it fails even at the 1st-2nd step |
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| 15:35.17 | daxiang | martinja: what does grep EVDEV /boot/config-$(uname -r) say |
| 15:35.39 | martinja | beer is free |
| 15:35.40 | martinja | :S |
| 15:35.48 | martinja | CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV=m |
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| 15:36.01 | daxiang | martinja: then do modprobe evdev as root |
| 15:36.07 | tarzeau | asg: oops Xp:1 , Dlvl:7 not teh best idea |
| 15:36.13 | asg | tarzeau: heh |
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| 15:36.24 | tarzeau | asg: a trap in dlvl:1 to :4 |
| 15:36.28 | martinja | done |
| 15:36.28 | asg | tarzeau: just going through nhprint.c |
| 15:36.39 | martinja | But there is no information given |
| 15:37.07 | tarzeau | asg: i should submit that to the "filters" package, and rename it to nethackify or wipeout.c |
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| 15:37.40 | asg | tarzeau: yeah. You might want to make the makefile test target rely on all |
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| 15:38.00 | daxiang | martinja: i don't know about your mouse, but try modprobe mousedev and psmouse, then look in /proc/bus/input/devices |
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| 15:39.16 | martinja | When I did lsmod | grep evdev |
| 15:39.16 | martinja | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.16 | martinja | input 3040 0 [evdev mousedev keybdev hid] |
| 15:39.24 | tarzeau | asg: i don't know what that is, send me a patch, and it'll be in |
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| 15:39.36 | asg | tarzeau: a simple hack is to append 'all' to 'test: ' |
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| 15:40.12 | asg | tarzeau: so it says 'test: all', then 'make test' will compile it before running the test. |
| 15:40.24 | martinja | Daxiang : there is no input folder in /proc/bus/ |
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| 15:40.27 | daxiang | martinja: no i mean, what does /proc/bus/input/devices say w/r to your mx1000 |
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| 15:42.25 | martinja | Daxianing : I am sorry for being such a noob. If I understand this correctly, you want me to write ,,,, cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 15:42.25 | martinja | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.08 | tim_ | hello |
| 15:43.11 | shizz | hey |
| 15:43.11 | daxiang | martinja: are you running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:43.17 | martinja | 2.4 |
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| 15:44.27 | tim_ | I have a problem with firefox from sarge. It hangs/crashes when I try to print. However if I start mozilla-firefox from a shell printing works fine. I do not use xprint. Any idee? |
| 15:44.32 | martinja | Cant wait for Debian 3.1 Bible :) for salvation |
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| 15:44.52 | jetx | yeah.. don't try to uninstall ff it borks badly |
| 15:44.54 | tim_ | Firefox also crashes if select the print view. |
| 15:45.19 | daxiang | martinja: update to kernel-image-2.6.8, i haven't been using 2.4 in a while |
| 15:45.37 | martinja | Btw, realplayer install messed up, any tips how to remove it? Should I just manually remove it? I installed it via realplayer".bin |
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| 15:45.46 | brosio | anyone known an application to read only the object of incoming mail with festival ? |
| 15:45.49 | martinja | !tell martinja about kernel upgrade |
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| 15:45.58 | tim_ | jetx: was that directed to me? |
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| 15:46.11 | asg | brosio: formail in the procmail package or procmail itself |
| 15:46.12 | jetx | in general |
| 15:46.31 | daxiang | martinja: for realplayer there are packages from ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 15:46.44 | martinja | Thanks |
| 15:46.51 | shingouz | martinja: there is tool called alien which can convert stuff from rpm to deb. you can also /msg dpkg kernel upgrade |
| 15:46.53 | brosio | asg, i use kmail |
| 15:46.55 | martinja | However what should I do with the messed up install? |
| 15:47.01 | shizz | how come when trying to load gdm i get these errors; "Failed to load GLcore" - "Failed to load NVIDIA Kernel" - "The dir /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrllic and /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID do not exist |
| 15:47.12 | shingouz | daxiang: marillat has even realplayer? damn, i should really check what he has |
| 15:47.17 | daxiang | martinja: but first you have to remove that broken realplayer |
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| 15:47.37 | asg | brosio: then use 'formail' in the procmail package to strip out whatever you need from the mail. How that will interface with kmail, however, I don't know. Perhaps #debian-kde does. |
| 15:47.38 | jetx | shizz you want glcore and dri disabled, and glx enabled |
| 15:47.44 | martinja | How would I go on about that? Just rm the folders? |
| 15:47.46 | jetx | the font ones are ignorable |
| 15:47.51 | jetx | !drxx |
| 15:47.51 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 15:47.55 | shizz | jetx, are you certain? |
| 15:47.55 | cahoot | tim_: ff 1.04? |
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| 15:48.02 | jetx | yes |
| 15:48.03 | tim_ | cahoot: yes |
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| 15:48.25 | brosio | asg, nothig for exim4 ? |
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| 15:48.33 | brosio | deb use exim4 by default |
| 15:48.34 | daxiang | martinja: first you have to find out, what it did to your system. in any way, you want a clean removal ;) |
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| 15:48.40 | tim_ | I have also tried ff 1.0.4 from mozilla.org. Same crash |
| 15:48.48 | cahoot | tim_: sorry to say it works here - on sarge |
| 15:48.49 | asg | brosio: how is kmail getting your mail? |
| 15:48.50 | daxiang | martinja: could you paste me a link to the realplayer.bin? |
| 15:48.59 | jetx | i tried uninstalling ff ... heh |
| 15:49.00 | shizz | jetx, in order for me to start the gui and use xchat to gather helpful information ive had to edit my XF86Config-4, deleted Load "GLcore" and changed Driver "nvidia" to "nv" |
| 15:49.06 | daxiang | martinja: i could take a look at it |
| 15:49.15 | brosio | asg, from an external server |
| 15:49.24 | brosio | like mail.tin.it |
| 15:49.31 | asg | brosio: using imap or pop? |
| 15:49.31 | shingouz | !tell shizz about xmd5sum |
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| 15:49.32 | shizz | jetx, now my DE seems to have gotten slower and the mouse scroll doesn't work |
| 15:49.35 | martinja | Daxiang: Yes. Thanks for the help: http://www.real.com/player/?src=realplayer |
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| 15:49.38 | tim_ | cahoot: very strange. Problem is I also have no idee how to debug it. |
| 15:49.46 | erjkgf | How can i set my default web browser in gnome? when i click links in gnome bluefish opens up instead of firefox |
| 15:49.47 | shizz | thanks you shingouz -- nice to see you again |
| 15:49.53 | shingouz | i live here |
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| 15:50.00 | daxiang | shingouz: yea, marillat has a lot. but i'm only using realplayer and mplayer, but acroread not yet |
| 15:50.12 | jetx | shizz: when you hand edit your xf86config the drxx wont work until you do the md5sum on it as told on line #17 |
| 15:50.18 | shingouz | daxiang: i only have mplayer from him |
| 15:50.37 | shingouz | anyways, food or i will snarf my keyboard |
| 15:50.46 | jetx | shizz nvidia doesn't like glcore or dri, it likes glx, and it wants the framebuffer (in the xf86config) disabled |
| 15:51.00 | jetx | fbdev=false or something |
| 15:51.01 | tim_ | cahoot: do you use KDE or GNOME? |
| 15:51.12 | cahoot | tim_: kde |
| 15:51.22 | tim_ | cahoot: hm, me too |
| 15:51.26 | martinja | so to get new kernel apt-get update then apt-get upgrade is enough? |
| 15:51.27 | shizz | i know it wont...grrrr - i didn't hand edit it, i used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to change the monitor settings through "advanced" and then i shut the computer down for the night, came back and it wouldn't load - SO then i hand edited the config |
| 15:51.31 | brosio | asg, pop |
| 15:51.50 | jetx | k all you have to do is that line 17 md5sum thing though |
| 15:51.52 | xirtam | how do i find out which pkg's related to xserver are installed? |
| 15:51.58 | asg | brosio: well, you can use 'fetchmail' to get mail from the pop server and deliver it, via exim4, to procmail and from there to festival and your local mailbox. |
| 15:52.00 | daxiang | martinja: no you have to select the kernel yourself, do that with aptitude. |
| 15:52.01 | shingouz | martinja: apt-get update; apt-get install kernel-image-<foo.bar> |
| 15:52.11 | shizz | thanks you jetx |
| 15:52.14 | jetx | shizz did you use the .run or the .deb |
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| 15:52.25 | shizz | jetx, what do you mean? |
| 15:52.26 | martinja | Daxiang : Shingouz : what about the boot loader? |
| 15:52.40 | shingouz | martinja: it will be taken care of automagically |
| 15:52.45 | brosio | asg, more easier way ? :° |
| 15:52.49 | shingouz | just read what apt tells you |
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| 15:53.06 | martinja | should I use apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 15:53.23 | Pryon | yes |
| 15:53.26 | daxiang | martinja: apt-get is fine as well, with aptitude you can search for your kernel |
| 15:53.28 | toonX | hey guys, where is eth0 located? |
| 15:53.28 | shingouz | martinja: it is up to you, i like apt-get better while some like aptitude |
| 15:53.35 | toonX | it's not in /dev |
| 15:53.35 | asg | brosio: It isn't hard. There is an example of using procmail with festival in O'Reilly's Linux Desktop Hacks, if you have a copy, or can look at one in a library. |
| 15:53.40 | jetx | shizz i mean did you use the .deb or the .run (the .run comes from nvidia the .deb is apt-gettable) |
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| 15:53.51 | toonX | im using sarge for amd64 |
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| 15:54.24 | brosio | asac, thx i read it now |
| 15:54.29 | jetx | rxvt came up with a white background and irssi is hard to read |
| 15:54.30 | martinja | For what would I need to able to search for my kernel? Dont worry people. I will not have so many questions once they start selling that Debian 3.1 Bible :P |
| 15:54.31 | jetx | :( |
| 15:54.33 | asg | brosio: you're welcome |
| 15:54.37 | TuX^ | hi |
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| 15:54.49 | shingouz | !tell martinja about search |
| 15:54.52 | shingouz | now the food |
| 15:54.52 | jetx | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 or whatever |
| 15:55.05 | TuX^ | hi |
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| 15:55.21 | Rockret | back from my shower !" |
| 15:55.29 | jetx | how exciting |
| 15:55.34 | daxiang | martinja: there are several kernels available, depending on architecture, cpu ... |
| 15:55.35 | timerirq | hehe |
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| 15:55.59 | shizz | jetx, the .run |
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| 15:56.46 | TuX^ | i am using wine to run a game (diablo2) on debian, it works and everything but after putting the cd-key it tells me to change cd and for some reason i cant eject the cd inside, which means i cant switch the cd, therefore i cant continou the install (i am on a laptop), anybody help me? |
| 15:56.54 | martinja | clearly I have to have a matching cpu kernel (i386)..Anything else? |
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| 15:56.59 | jetx | shizz: what was your error? |
| 15:57.06 | jetx | it's not clearly btw |
| 15:57.06 | Rockret | Shingouz: I think that I will buy one new soundboard .. and new modem also (to use fax) .. what is the best choice to linux plataform ? |
| 15:57.11 | bob2 | TuX^: you can't unmount a cd you're using |
| 15:57.14 | bob2 | TuX^: think about it |
| 15:57.24 | bob2 | TuX^: copy the files off it and run the install from the hard disk or such |
| 15:57.27 | shizz | jetx, Failed to load NVIDIA Kernel, and GLcore. |
| 15:57.27 | martinja | Tux^ try dumping all the cd info onto a folder and install from there? |
| 15:57.31 | TuX^ | bob2: so i copy everything? |
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| 15:57.45 | martinja | Bob2 is lightning fast :P |
| 15:57.52 | shizz | jetx, is there a difference between the .run and .deb? |
| 15:57.54 | weedar | Is there any way to see what ran a command during boot-up? wpa_supplicant is running with the wrong options and I can't seem to find out why |
| 15:57.59 | TuX^ | bob2: thanks a lot, i didnt think about it :) |
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| 15:58.09 | daxiang | martinja: what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 15:58.25 | jetx | shizz one thing that happens sometimes with that is that modules.conf isn't updated... and there is a difference between the .run and .deb but i never used the .deb so i dunno what |
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| 15:59.25 | lesouvage | I'm searching for a command from the command line to get info about the cpu temperature. Is there such a command in linux? |
| 15:59.40 | martinja | daxiang : http://pastebin.ca/14088 |
| 15:59.40 | tarzeau | lesouvage: i know one for the hd temperature |
| 15:59.51 | Petro | When are we getting x.org? |
| 15:59.55 | initech | lesouvage: "sensors" |
| 15:59.56 | martinja | Daxiang : did you find out about what I should do to have a clean removal of realplayer? |
| 15:59.58 | shizz | oh, i see.. jetx |
| 16:00.14 | tarzeau | martinja: you should've never installed it, or made a debian package of it |
| 16:00.16 | jetx | shizz less /etc/modules.conf | grep -i nvidia |
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| 16:00.21 | tarzeau | martinja: or used gnu stow |
| 16:00.22 | pngwn | Petro, as soon as you get off your ass and package it ;) |
| 16:00.28 | shizz | jetx, what will that do? |
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| 16:00.52 | lesouvage | tarzeau: you would really help me with that command. |
| 16:00.56 | jetx | shizz it will return any lines that contain nvidia in that file... doesn't 'do' anything :) |
| 16:00.59 | tarzeau | lesouvage: hddtemp |
| 16:00.59 | Rockret | anyone know one good soundbaord pci ? (compatible totally with linux) |
| 16:00.59 | Rockret | and modem also |
| 16:00.59 | Rockret | pci |
| 16:01.05 | pngwn | Petro, /msg dpkg xorg |
| 16:01.11 | martinja | tarzeau : is gnu stow easy to install and use? |
| 16:01.18 | jetx | ie it will tell you if that file got updated |
| 16:01.18 | tarzeau | martinja: no idea |
| 16:01.19 | Petro | pngwn: Actually I have to focus on my academic classes so that that one day I'll get a job and donate to Debian |
| 16:01.29 | toonX | i tryed tcpdump -i /dev/eth0 like allways and i get tcpdump: ioctl: No such device . but /sbin/route shows to eth0 devices , but i guess they'r not in /dev , then where? |
| 16:02.01 | tarzeau | !tryed |
| 16:02.02 | dpkg | it has been said that tryed is not English. I think you meant to say 'tried'. "tryed" _is_ English, just middle / old English. |
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| 16:02.14 | tarzeau | toonX: nowhere |
| 16:02.18 | jetx | so what is ioctl |
| 16:02.24 | Rockret | does anyone have lucent modem working in linux ? |
| 16:02.24 | shizz | jetx, alias char-major-195 nvidia |
| 16:02.28 | daxiang | martinja: go for kernel-image-2.6-686, that means: "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 kernel-headers-2.6-686" |
| 16:02.29 | tarzeau | jetx: man ioctl |
| 16:02.33 | jetx | ok you have it shizz |
| 16:02.43 | timerirq | a system function for input outputs i think |
| 16:02.56 | exobyte | I have three network interfaces. I want to set up iptables to in and out for one of them and drop in for the other two, then I can manually unblock the few ports I need. I'm used to pf, so iptables is confusing |
| 16:02.57 | toonX | cool, so ya have any ideas? |
| 16:02.59 | timerirq | a standart and general function i think but im not sure |
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| 16:03.10 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.11 | jetx | shizz: what i would do is make sure the glcore and dri and fbdev(framebuffer for x not kernel) aren't there and reload x |
| 16:03.23 | timerirq | ahh yes in out control |
| 16:03.31 | shizz | jetx, can you tell me how please? |
| 16:03.34 | toonX | tarzeau: so how can i use tcpdump then ? |
| 16:03.44 | tarzeau | toonX: it works here |
| 16:03.48 | jetx | shizz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:03.50 | tarzeau | i suspect a PEBKAC |
| 16:03.57 | martinja | Daxiang : ok its working now |
| 16:03.58 | jetx | shizz after you run the md5sum |
| 16:04.06 | shizz | i have done the md5sum |
| 16:04.16 | jetx | !drxx |
| 16:04.16 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 16:04.20 | shizz | jetx, should i leave the DE and do it? |
| 16:04.21 | martinja | Doesnt it cost them alot the bandwith? (debian) |
| 16:04.25 | jetx | de? |
| 16:04.31 | toonX | tarzeau: with /dev/eth0 ? |
| 16:04.34 | shizz | desktop environment |
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| 16:04.39 | tarzeau | toonX: that doesn't exist |
| 16:04.47 | toonX | tarzeau: so i see |
| 16:04.52 | tarzeau | martinja: what? |
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| 16:05.25 | weedar | I need to find out what is starting wpa_supplicant as it prevents the machine from booting without user interaction, can anyone help? :) |
| 16:05.26 | jetx | shizz you can alt+F2 , then alt+F7 to get back.. but you would still need to restart x to see if it worked ( /etc/init.d/?dm stop (g,x,k)) |
| 16:05.35 | martinja | Downloading packages and such from debian.org |
| 16:05.45 | jetx | gdm or kdm or xdm depending |
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| 16:06.04 | jetx | wpa supplicant is like wifi stuff |
| 16:06.06 | toonX | tarzeau: tcpdump with no other parm scans eth0 , works, but what happens if i want to scan other network card ? |
| 16:06.07 | martinja | Daxiang : The installation is done. What should I do know? |
| 16:06.09 | martinja | now |
| 16:06.17 | daxiang | martinja: realplayer has a install.log somewhere (the dir you installed it to), could you paste it? |
| 16:06.27 | shizz | jetx, i know what g and k are.. what is x? and might i have x instead of g - becuz im using xfce4.2 (im novice so if this seems dumb, bare with me :) |
| 16:06.28 | tarzeau | toonX: use -i interface ? |
| 16:06.31 | daxiang | martinja: to pastebin again? |
| 16:06.39 | jetx | shizz xdm gdm kdm |
| 16:06.42 | weedar | jetx: I know that, I can even get wpa_supplicant to work, but not as it is run on boot-up now. Which is why I need to find out what starts it so I can stop it :) |
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| 16:06.59 | exobyte | if I boot without starting iptables, will everything be accpeted or dropped by default? |
| 16:07.05 | martinja | heheh have to find where it got installed |
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| 16:07.17 | daxiang | martinja: for your mouse? you would have to restart for that :( let's first try to get rid of realplayer |
| 16:07.17 | toonX | tarzeau: yes! cool! -i interface, that's it ! and what interface, since the ones i know arent there anymore |
| 16:07.24 | jetx | it's in /etc/init.d somewhere weedar |
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| 16:07.31 | tarzeau | toonX: ifconfig -a shows which interfaces ? |
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| 16:07.42 | weedar | jetx: yes it is, but if I just remove the file it still gets run at bootup |
| 16:07.43 | tarzeau | toonX: is the driver for your interface loaded? does it have link? |
| 16:07.43 | daxiang | martinja: find /opt /usr -name "install.log" |
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| 16:08.16 | resiak | X (or indeed Openbox, but I blame X) periodically goes mildly catatonic on me for no apparent reason. Keyboard input is plain ignored; the mouse can be moved around, but clicking doesn't do anything. This is particularly bad since Ctrl-Alt-F1 is also broken. :-) plz2fixkthxbi. |
| 16:08.16 | jetx | weedar: i don't know. you could grep the files in init.d to find out what it is maybe |
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| 16:08.47 | enigmus | why is stunnel put in /usr/sbin?? |
| 16:08.59 | toonX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.03 | shizz | jetx, i do not see fbdev when I used "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
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| 16:09.11 | weedar | jetx: it is possible to grep all files for wpa_supplicant at once? |
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| 16:09.42 | jetx | shizz: i don't see it anymore either, i 'think' it detects the nvidia maybe and doesn't even give you the option... but it's ok it won't be enabled |
| 16:09.54 | tarzeau | enigmus: why is traceroute put into /usr/sbin ?? |
| 16:10.07 | jetx | why is it called sbin even |
| 16:10.09 | tarzeau | toonX: so? |
| 16:10.09 | martinja | Daxiang it is 470 lines long |
| 16:10.31 | enigmus | tarzeau: why would you want to restrict who can use stunnel? |
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| 16:10.53 | jetx | anybody can /usr/sbin/stunnel |
| 16:11.00 | jetx | or whatever |
| 16:11.05 | toonX | tarzeau: so it works, what happend is that i havent use tcpdump since the old redhat 6.1 , and the way you specified the interface was like /dev/eth0 wich here works with just eth0 |
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| 16:11.26 | daxiang | martinja: everything is in one directory but in the end it says something about some links etc. it has created. |
| 16:11.33 | Rockret | does anyone is expert in iptables ? |
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| 16:11.42 | tarzeau | enigmus: why do you think /usr/sbin is restricted? |
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| 16:11.52 | tarzeau | enigmus: why would you want to restrict who can use traceroute ? |
| 16:11.58 | jetx | Rockret: i just install lokkit |
| 16:12.02 | tarzeau | jetx: because UNIX SUCKS? |
| 16:12.20 | martinja | I search for links by /links in VI(M), it states Pattern not found: links |
| 16:12.27 | tarzeau | toonX: which the latter is correct and the other is something i've never seen. borked redhat stuff |
| 16:12.31 | jetx | !confuse tarzeau |
| 16:12.31 | dpkg | Yes, who is their weasel yesterday, tarzeau? shirts of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra cream |
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| 16:12.58 | jetx | bbl |
| 16:13.08 | enigmus | tarzeau: it was not in my $PATH... my bad. |
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| 16:13.16 | daxiang | martinja: just paste "tail -n 20 install.log" to #flood |
| 16:13.24 | tarzeau | enigmus: usually users don't have /usr/sbin in their $PATH |
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| 16:14.22 | martinja | daxiang : http://pastebin.ca/14098 |
| 16:14.25 | enigmus | tarzeau: ok. why is that? |
| 16:14.31 | Rockret | Jetx: how is lokkit ? |
| 16:14.52 | Rockret | Jetx: friendly front-end to iptables ? |
| 16:14.55 | tarzeau | enigmus: because UNIX SUCKS |
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| 16:15.22 | bnoji | Howtos where the writer uses rpm's are useless. |
| 16:15.23 | tarzeau | because you can make your own $SHELL or configure it whatever you feel like it should be |
| 16:15.40 | martinja | Daxiang : do you prefer me to paste in flood instead? |
| 16:16.03 | lesouvage | tarzeau: thanks, i installed hddtemp and it seems to work. |
| 16:16.17 | tarzeau | lesouvage: cool, not all hard disks have senors |
| 16:16.20 | tarzeau | sensors even |
| 16:16.38 | tarzeau | lesouvage: if you install wmhdplop that's even more cool |
| 16:16.40 | enigmus | tarzeau: I know. I just imagine they did that for a reason. I'm just trying to understand, I'm not complaining. |
| 16:16.50 | daxiang | martinja: so first remove that list of files: find /usr/share/locale/ -name "realplay.mo" |
| 16:16.52 | tarzeau | enigmus: ah sorry, yeah the reason is historic |
| 16:16.59 | tarzeau | enigmus: they've partitioned all stuff |
| 16:17.10 | tarzeau | enigmus: /usr, /home, /, /var, /bin |
| 16:17.10 | daxiang | martinja: no pastebin.ca is fine! |
| 16:17.15 | tarzeau | enigmus: it really sucks |
| 16:17.28 | exobyte | will this drop all incoming traffic on foo unless another rule does different? iptables -P input_rule -i foo DROP |
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| 16:17.42 | ToTRiO | hey i 'accidently' run: dd if=/boot/boot.0300 of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1 |
| 16:17.44 | ToTRiO | on my bo |
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| 16:17.45 | ToTRiO | x |
| 16:17.49 | ToTRiO | is there a way to restore the partition table? |
| 16:17.51 | tarzeau | toonX: haha |
| 16:17.56 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: gpart |
| 16:17.57 | daxiang | martinja: you can do that with "find /usr/share/locale -name 'realplay.mo' -exec rm '{}' ';'" |
| 16:18.00 | tarzeau | toonX: that was for ToTRiO |
| 16:18.02 | ToTRiO | tarheelcoxn gpart? |
| 16:18.06 | ToTRiO | ;| |
| 16:18.14 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: guesses partition tables |
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| 16:18.27 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: be really careful now |
| 16:18.35 | shizz | sweet, thanks jetx i got it fixed |
| 16:18.52 | ToTRiO | tarzeau what do you mean? |
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| 16:19.05 | daxiang | martinja: I think that's not all, so just paste everything to pastebin.ca |
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| 16:19.16 | martinja | http://pastebin.ca/14099 |
| 16:19.30 | mdewand | how to disable ipv6 in sarge? |
| 16:19.31 | ToTRiO | tarzeau |
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| 16:19.37 | ToTRiO | "Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a PC-type hard disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is damaged, incorrect or deleted. The guessed table can be written to a file or device. Supported (guessable) filesystem or partition types: " |
| 16:20.03 | martinja | daxiang ; find /usr/share/locale -name 'realplay.mo' -exec rm '{}' ';' gives no feedback |
| 16:20.30 | Rockret | someone can check these rules to iptables .. #flood ? |
| 16:20.35 | Rockret | brb |
| 16:20.39 | daxiang | martinja: what does that say now? find /usr/share/locale/ -name "realplay.mo" |
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| 16:20.53 | davix | how can I burn an .iso from console? |
| 16:20.58 | daxiang | martinja: because you deleted those files, so it shouldn't find anything |
| 16:21.02 | tarzeau | davix: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ |
| 16:21.06 | martinja | nothing |
| 16:21.08 | davix | tnx tarz |
| 16:21.10 | martinja | heheh ok |
| 16:21.11 | Rockret | is this rule .. correct ? "iptables -N VALID_CHECK" |
| 16:21.17 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 16:21.33 | Rockret | ok |
| 16:21.33 | ToTRiO | tarzeau ? |
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| 16:21.42 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: i don't know what your problem is |
| 16:21.46 | martinja | Never again shall I install realplayer |
| 16:21.48 | procrastinator | !tnx |
| 16:21.48 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 16:21.49 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: i told you gpart is the solution of your problem |
| 16:21.53 | abrotman | !helix-player |
| 16:21.53 | dpkg | it has been said that helix player is the Helix Community's GTK2-based open source media player, in Sid and Sarge. apt-get install helix-player or https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/ |
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| 16:22.12 | daxiang | martinja: that's fine. could you paste the rest of the install.log? to make sure everything is deleted. |
| 16:22.15 | martinja | daxiang : Thanks, so now I should only remove the folder? |
| 16:22.45 | ToTRiO | tarzeau the gpart site says it works on corrupted partitions |
| 16:22.47 | steelion | hey guys - can anyone suggest a good howto insall ati-drivers for the new 3.1 release? |
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| 16:22.53 | martinja | daxiang ; how do I select 400 or so lines in vi? |
| 16:22.54 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: and your partition is corrupted |
| 16:22.54 | ToTRiO | i have _deleted_ the whole harddisk ... |
| 16:22.59 | daxiang | martinja: you *can* install realplayer as long as it's properly packaged ;) |
| 16:22.59 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: NO YOU HAVE NOT |
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| 16:23.07 | abrotman | Marticus: select for what ? |
| 16:23.22 | daxiang | martinja: use gvim |
| 16:23.23 | ToTRiO | my partition isn't corrupted, i have used dd to overwrite with /dev/zero everything after the first 512 bytes |
| 16:23.27 | abrotman | err martinja select for what ? |
| 16:23.44 | tarzeau | 18:17 < ToTRiO> hey i 'accidently' run: dd if=/boot/boot.0300 of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1 |
| 16:23.51 | martinja | in a text doc to copy paste |
| 16:23.52 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: if you did that, you can use gpart |
| 16:23.59 | abrotman | martinja: 400 yy |
| 16:24.10 | abrotman | and then p to paste it where you want it |
| 16:24.10 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: if you did something else, it's time to dig out the backup and restore |
| 16:24.15 | martinja | In more lament terms? |
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| 16:24.41 | ToTRiO | tarzeau alright i understand. what i did wasn't deleting the partitons right? i just wrote zeros write? |
| 16:24.56 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: i give up |
| 16:25.05 | tarzeau | !nickometer ToTRiO |
| 16:25.05 | daxiang | martinja: v, then g, then GG |
| 16:25.06 | abrotman | martinja: hit esc .. type "400 yy" .. then where you want to paste it .. hit 'p' to paste ... |
| 16:25.07 | dpkg | 'ToTRiO' is 98.670% lame, tarzeau |
| 16:25.12 | abrotman | !vi tutorial |
| 16:25.13 | dpkg | vi tutorial is, like, at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html, or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
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| 16:25.20 | ToTRiO | tarzeau come on let me understand |
| 16:25.27 | ToTRiO | what i did wasn't deleting the partition table? |
| 16:25.29 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: go google and RTFM |
| 16:25.50 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: 1) you deleted the partiton table. 2) fix it with gpart |
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| 16:25.58 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: stop being a moron now |
| 16:26.00 | kithylin | hey |
| 16:26.00 | ToTRiO | here what google has to say: |
| 16:26.01 | ToTRiO | > > root# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 16:26.01 | ToTRiO | > |
| 16:26.01 | ToTRiO | > Don't you dare. It will _delete_ the partition table. |
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| 16:26.13 | kithylin | can anyone recomend a good kitchen timer proggy for debian ? |
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| 16:26.17 | ToTRiO | ok thanks for the info sorry for bothering you no need to get mad |
| 16:26.17 | daxiang | martinja: v gives you visual mode, g get's you to the top, G to the bottom |
| 16:26.29 | tarzeau | kithylin: gnuwash.app |
| 16:26.43 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: you have asked the same shit more than 3 times |
| 16:26.44 | abrotman | kithylin: kitchen timre ? |
| 16:26.49 | kithylin | i can get that with apt-get ? |
| 16:26.50 | tarzeau | ToTRiO: and then you ask me not to get mad? |
| 16:26.51 | abrotman | kithylin: xterm ? |
| 16:26.54 | tarzeau | YOU ARE HILARIOUS! |
| 16:26.57 | kithylin | uh, no |
| 16:26.59 | abrotman | sleep <timetocook> |
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| 16:27.09 | tarzeau | kithylin: yes, apt-get install gnuwash.app |
| 16:27.11 | daxiang | abrotman: martinja want's to "cut and paste" some 400 lines of text |
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| 16:27.15 | kithylin | as in something that counts down a specificed amount of time and then alarms at you |
| 16:27.19 | abrotman | daxiang: i'm aware of that |
| 16:27.21 | tarzeau | kithylin: yes, with picture |
| 16:27.24 | kithylin | just like you would irl with a little timer ontop of the microwave |
| 16:27.25 | abrotman | and i told her how to do it |
| 16:27.26 | kithylin | K |
| 16:27.26 | tarzeau | kithylin: and configurable |
| 16:27.42 | martinja | Somehow I am not able to copy |
| 16:27.51 | daxiang | abrotman: you where asking "select for what" ;) backlog ... |
| 16:28.08 | abrotman | daxiang: i alrady told martinja how |
| 16:28.19 | daxiang | abrotman: thx. |
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| 16:28.22 | kithylin | k |
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| 16:28.34 | kithylin | thanks tarzeau |
| 16:28.35 | jetx | ahhh much better |
| 16:28.35 | martinja | I tried it abrotman |
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| 16:28.40 | martinja | It says the files where yanked |
| 16:28.45 | kithylin | i wanna go cook maccorani and i want something to count down 12 mins for me :) |
| 16:28.53 | martinja | But when I try to paste them in FF it wont work |
| 16:28.55 | tarzeau | kithylin: gnuwash.app will do that |
| 16:28.55 | abrotman | martinja: are you trying to copy/paste in the same file ? |
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| 16:29.02 | tarzeau | kithylin: i use it for toast and pizza |
| 16:29.04 | jetx | try ctrl+v to paste |
| 16:29.05 | kithylin | lol |
| 16:29.06 | kithylin | cool! |
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| 16:29.14 | abrotman | martinja: oh .. i thought you wanted to paste in vi again .. then yes .. use a GUI editor .. |
| 16:29.16 | kithylin | k |
| 16:29.19 | kithylin | how do i start it ? |
| 16:29.23 | kithylin | using xfce4 |
| 16:29.23 | tarzeau | kithylin: GNUWash |
| 16:29.27 | martinja | jetx : thanks, but the copy function seems to be grayed out |
| 16:29.32 | tarzeau | kithylin: or from the menu, if you installed "menu" package |
| 16:29.39 | martinja | ill try openoffice? |
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| 16:29.54 | abrotman | martinja: what is your window manager ? |
| 16:29.56 | jetx | ooo irssi doesn't give a big ass netsplit list |
| 16:30.03 | kithylin | bah |
| 16:30.04 | jetx | this is a good thing(TM) |
| 16:30.08 | kithylin | this is the only thing i hate about debian |
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| 16:30.16 | Wyzard | What's a good public PGP keyserver to use? |
| 16:30.17 | jetx | fix it |
| 16:30.18 | kithylin | things don't get put into the main menu button when you install em |
| 16:30.24 | shizz | how do I copy burned music cd to my hard drive? |
| 16:30.25 | abrotman | martinja: ? |
| 16:30.28 | mrfrenzy | that's one of the 200 reasons to use irssi |
| 16:30.29 | jetx | kithylin: try update-menus |
| 16:30.31 | Wyzard | There are several keyserver networks, and whichever one I use, it never seems to have the keys of the people I'm looking for |
| 16:30.40 | abrotman | rip it |
| 16:30.45 | tarzeau | Wyzard: keyserver.mine.nu |
| 16:30.51 | mrfrenzy | what do you mean kithylin ? everything is put in the menus automatically |
| 16:30.56 | shizz | my /media/cdrom0 shows nothing under "ls" but I have a music cd in the rom |
| 16:30.57 | davix | tarzeau it works only with scsi :( got anything for ide? |
| 16:31.04 | tarzeau | davix: what? |
| 16:31.09 | davix | the burning |
| 16:31.12 | davix | with cdrecord |
| 16:31.12 | tarzeau | davix: bullshit |
| 16:31.14 | abrotman | you don't mount audio cds |
| 16:31.16 | tarzeau | davix: it works with IDE too |
| 16:31.16 | jetx | uuuuhhhhppppdaaaayyyyyyt-mennnnnnuuuuuuussss |
| 16:31.21 | tarzeau | davix: but you don't know how |
| 16:31.27 | shizz | abrotman, can you help? |
| 16:31.34 | weedar | wpa_supplicant gets started several times at bootuup, but not with the same options each time. Can I find out why and how they are started? |
| 16:31.38 | kithylin | update menus ? |
| 16:31.38 | abrotman | just rip the CD |
| 16:31.39 | tarzeau | davix: what about you read your kernel documentation? |
| 16:31.40 | kithylin | can't find that either |
| 16:31.48 | tarzeau | kithylin: apt-get install menu |
| 16:31.50 | kithylin | i just started using debian yesterday, still figuring stuff |
| 16:31.51 | shizz | abrotman, how do I do that? |
| 16:31.54 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Thanks |
| 16:32.01 | jetx | update-menus and it's probably not on your path |
| 16:32.05 | abrotman | shizz: apt-cache search rip ? |
| 16:32.14 | martinja | daxian : abrotman : http://pastebin.ca/14103 |
| 16:32.17 | daxiang | martinja: pasting with vim should work (i just did it with pastebin.ca) |
| 16:32.20 | jak | what was the command again to reconfigure ones locales? |
| 16:32.24 | shizz | man o man the list is LONG, abrotman |
| 16:32.31 | abrotman | shizz: apt-cache search rip audio ?? |
| 16:32.31 | tarzeau | jak: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:32.35 | daxiang | martinja: ah, there you are |
| 16:32.37 | jetx | shizz audio/music cd's don't need mounting |
| 16:32.45 | kithylin | Argh |
| 16:32.49 | jetx | oh and shizz does the x work? |
| 16:32.50 | kithylin | now it's in some tiny menu and scrolling |
| 16:32.51 | shizz | jetx, thanks for clarifying |
| 16:32.54 | martinja | daxiang : it did work for me before but somehow I couldnt select all the 470 lines, only what was on one page. |
| 16:32.54 | kithylin | stupid debian |
| 16:33.03 | kithylin | nevermind |
| 16:33.04 | jak | tarzeau: ah right, thanks |
| 16:33.05 | kithylin | there it goes, full size |
| 16:33.11 | jetx | as in nvidia working, shizz? |
| 16:33.15 | shizz | jetx, yes it does it works but it's with "nv" not "nvidia" it still tells me "nvidia kernel" is unable to load if I use "nvidia" |
| 16:33.27 | abrotman | martinja: and ? |
| 16:33.31 | daxiang | martinja: we have to remove everything from the postinstall mode |
| 16:33.34 | jetx | shizz me i'd try un&in-stalling it then |
| 16:33.44 | shizz | jetx, my goal was to get higher resolutions, 1280x1024 - and ive reached my goal but with wrong drivers |
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| 16:33.48 | davix | tarzeau, I do not want to recompile my god damn kernel, i need to burn this image in order to install a linux box. this is not my stable and usual kernel. do you have any other ideas? |
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| 16:33.55 | jetx | shizz... works here :( |
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| 16:34.01 | tarzeau | davix: PEBKAC |
| 16:34.06 | kithylin | okay |
| 16:34.08 | jetx | oh shizz the nv module doesn't do 3d |
| 16:34.09 | kithylin | found gnuwash |
| 16:34.12 | martinja | daxiang : manually? |
| 16:34.14 | kithylin | now to figure it out *pokes at menus* |
| 16:34.18 | shizz | jetx, what do u mean? |
| 16:34.23 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:34.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 16:34.32 | jetx | i mean there is no 3d acceleration with the nv module |
| 16:34.35 | martinja | abrotman : sorry, wasnt sure if you were interested or not. |
| 16:34.44 | shizz | oh, i know jetx |
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| 16:34.46 | jetx | aka 'no games' |
| 16:34.50 | jetx | okie |
| 16:34.50 | abrotman | martinja: i'm not sure what the problem is :) |
| 16:34.52 | tarzeau | jetx: no there is not |
| 16:34.52 | daxiang | martinja: you have to go to the top of the page with "g", then select visual mode with "v", then goto the bottom of the page with "G" (then "$"). Then you can paste where you want. What abrotman said, was if you use vi to paste inside vi. |
| 16:35.04 | shizz | jetx, how do I uninstall the .run ive used? |
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| 16:35.18 | kithylin | damit |
| 16:35.23 | kithylin | now when i start gnuwash it errors |
| 16:35.24 | jetx | shizz, sh NVIDIA-blah -A will give you a long list of options |
| 16:35.29 | daxiang | martinja: more or less manually. |
| 16:35.30 | jetx | one is uninstall |
| 16:35.35 | tarzeau | kithylin: it works here. but then i don't have xfce |
| 16:35.38 | tarzeau | kithylin: i have wmaker |
| 16:35.38 | jetx | that's -A not -a |
| 16:35.40 | shizz | jetx, NVIDIA-blah? |
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| 16:35.43 | davix | tarzeau. code 18. |
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| 16:35.46 | martinja | I have no dollar sign |
| 16:35.49 | shizz | jetx, the kernel? |
| 16:35.53 | jetx | shizz: fill in the blah(nk) |
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| 16:36.03 | tarzeau | davix: look it works here, it's a user problem, you are the problem |
| 16:36.11 | jetx | shizz or just hit the tab key |
| 16:36.14 | tarzeau | davix: you should know which kernel version you have, and how to use it |
| 16:36.21 | martinja | daxiang : I guess with some similar lines as you did to remove to the other files? |
| 16:36.23 | daxiang | martinja: see whether _ find /usr/share -name "realplay*" _ finds more than in that list |
| 16:36.26 | shizz | NVIDIA-Kernel: NVIDIA-Kernel: No such file or directory |
| 16:36.39 | tarzeau | davix: if you are lazy to read documentation, don't use linux |
| 16:36.45 | jetx | shizz: you need to be in the directory where you d/l'd the .run eh |
| 16:36.51 | shizz | gahg |
| 16:37.03 | davix | tarzeau. tnx for the help. im sorry for the other users that may be can't help theirselvs. |
| 16:37.03 | daxiang | martinja: or better _ find /usr/share/icons -name "realplay*.png" _ |
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| 16:37.15 | jetx | oh shizz |
| 16:37.17 | kbrooks_ | gnome 2.10 yet? |
| 16:37.20 | shizz | jetx, "sh pkgname" = uninstall? |
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| 16:37.24 | jetx | tack a |less on the end |
| 16:37.43 | daxiang | martinja: yup, just the same way. but this time verbose with "rm -v" |
| 16:37.45 | jetx | sh NVIDIA-(whatever).run -A will tell you the switch for uninstalling it |
| 16:37.55 | martinja | http://pastebin.ca/14107 |
| 16:37.58 | tarzeau | jetx: and it might not even work properly |
| 16:38.09 | tarzeau | jetx: since it's known to have been buggy (any maybe still is) |
| 16:38.11 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.15 | jetx | for example |
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| 16:38.29 | daxiang | martinja: first go for the icons |
| 16:38.35 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.40 | error403 | Woohoo - i just moved a Mepis user to Debian! |
| 16:38.52 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:39.06 | jetx | damn i gave the answer :( |
| 16:39.09 | ethics | jetx, why are you using .run packages? module assistant can do it |
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| 16:39.25 | jetx | ethics: i love you man. |
| 16:39.27 | tarzeau | !prize error403 |
| 16:39.28 | jetx | ethics: i'm not. |
| 16:39.31 | error403 | hehe"! |
| 16:39.35 | error403 | yaya |
| 16:39.36 | jetx | well i am, but not atm |
| 16:39.39 | roler | I really, really want a wireless daemon that auto connects to the network that i'm in. I have tried waproamd, wpa_supplicant, etc. I need something that works. Does anyone know of one??? |
| 16:39.59 | Epod69 | hi, how do i install a python setup? (setup.py) ? |
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| 16:40.08 | kithylin | keeps saying no resource specified |
| 16:40.09 | jetx | apt-cache show python |
| 16:40.10 | kithylin | *sighs* |
| 16:40.16 | kithylin | i'll just time it myself, stupid system |
| 16:40.17 | martinja | daxiang : find /usr/share/ -name 'realplay.png' -exec rm '{}' '; |
| 16:40.17 | martinja | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:40.24 | tarzeau | does debian not have any svg library? |
| 16:40.26 | shizz | jetx, is the "nv" part of the NVIDIA Kernel? |
| 16:40.31 | jetx | shizz no |
| 16:40.36 | jetx | it comes with xfree |
| 16:40.40 | tarzeau | shizz: nvidia doesn't maker kernels |
| 16:40.44 | jetx | tarzeau: it does afaict |
| 16:40.47 | shizz | jetx, okay, so doing the uninstall will be fine |
| 16:40.53 | jetx | yes shizz |
| 16:40.53 | daxiang | martinja: almost, do rm -v to see what it does and you forgot the last _ ' _ after the semicolon |
| 16:40.59 | tarzeau | jetx: where? |
| 16:41.00 | shizz | brb |
| 16:41.36 | martinja | what does v do? |
| 16:41.46 | tarzeau | be vebose |
| 16:41.48 | tarzeau | verbose |
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| 16:42.19 | jetx | tarzeau: all i know is i see svg all the time in the package list |
| 16:42.20 | martinja | Daxiang : ok did that. |
| 16:42.27 | shizz | jetx, how do I do the uninstall without using X ? |
| 16:42.40 | shizz | jetx, it says it cant uninstall til x is off |
| 16:42.45 | jetx | shizz you mean it complained that you had an xserver ok |
| 16:42.45 | tarzeau | jetx: i can't find any SVG developer library. (not svga) |
| 16:43.00 | martinja | daxiang : http://pastebin.ca/14109 |
| 16:43.00 | Epod69 | what does apt-cache show python do ? |
| 16:43.07 | jetx | shizz: you do that /etc/init.d/?dm stop, then do it from console |
| 16:43.17 | jetx | xdm gdm kdm |
| 16:43.20 | shizz | jetx, okay.. |
| 16:43.21 | daxiang | martinja: now what does find /usr/share -name "*realplay*" say? |
| 16:43.25 | punsad | what's a good program for joining/resizing partitions (ext3)? |
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| 16:43.44 | shizz | Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdm not running. jetx |
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| 16:44.03 | jetx | shizz do you use gdm xdm or kdm or what... how do you startx |
| 16:44.16 | shizz | well at boot up it says gdm |
| 16:44.24 | daxiang | martinja: you forgot the star: "realplay*.png" |
| 16:44.29 | jetx | shizz as root you typed that eh |
| 16:44.30 | punsad | any good gui-based repartitioning programs? |
| 16:44.37 | tarzeau | punsad: qtparted |
| 16:44.46 | shizz | jetx, sorry im slow |
| 16:45.03 | jetx | i see he found it :) |
| 16:45.07 | martinja | It finds a lot of pngs |
| 16:45.21 | martinja | daxiang : http://pastebin.ca/14110 |
| 16:45.26 | punsad | tarzeau: thanks ... I've heard of a bunch of 'em but never knew which one works well |
| 16:45.51 | tarzeau | jetx: i found librsvg, thanks |
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| 16:45.53 | Epod69 | anyone know how to install setup.py..? |
| 16:46.04 | tarzeau | Epod69: don't repeat |
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| 16:46.15 | jetx | tarzeau: yeah anytime i can be as much help, don't bother... :) |
| 16:46.26 | jetx | more help now, that would be nice eh |
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| 16:46.50 | Epod69 | tarzeau, well maybe someone didnt read me before, everyone seems to be ignoring me |
| 16:46.54 | jim | Epod69: what's it for? what are you trying to do? what have you done so far? what were the results? what have you read? what did you learn from reading? |
| 16:47.01 | punsad | tarzeau: is qtparted in debian sarge? I just did apt-cache search parted and nothing about gtparted |
| 16:47.02 | tarzeau | Epod69: more likely they don't understand you |
| 16:47.05 | tarzeau | Epod69: or just don't know. |
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| 16:47.13 | Epod69 | jim, why all the questions... |
| 16:47.15 | jetx | qt not gt |
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| 16:47.26 | shizz | jetx, :( |
| 16:47.30 | jetx | ? |
| 16:47.31 | tarzeau | punsad: i can only see it in sid |
| 16:47.34 | jim | Epod69: no information == no help |
| 16:47.35 | punsad | jetx: that's what I meant |
| 16:47.45 | Epod69 | im trying to install pyxdg-0.14 and it comes with a setup.py |
| 16:47.59 | jetx | shizz what |
| 16:48.03 | Epod69 | it doest come with any install notes |
| 16:48.07 | Epod69 | doesnt* |
| 16:48.08 | punsad | I'll just use text base then |
| 16:48.10 | martinja | Is Munich still going on with Linux? |
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| 16:48.31 | jim | Epod69: ok |
| 16:48.39 | zeroC | does anyone use pinning? |
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| 16:48.47 | jetx | i did once |
| 16:48.57 | shizz | jetx, it said something about a kernel tree, and how it couldn't find the kernel source tree |
| 16:49.03 | tarzeau | zeroC: no |
| 16:49.06 | shizz | jetx, i have the log file, would you like a view? |
| 16:49.09 | tarzeau | martinja: i think so |
| 16:49.11 | jetx | shizz are you installing or uninstalling it |
| 16:49.15 | zeroC | why tarzeau |
| 16:49.15 | zeroC | ? |
| 16:49.18 | daxiang | martinja: i think you can _ find /usr/share -name "reaplay*.png" -exec rm -v '{}' ';' _ now |
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| 16:49.19 | shizz | jetx, uninstaller |
| 16:49.22 | tarzeau | zeroC: i have sid |
| 16:49.23 | shizz | jetx, uninstalling -- |
| 16:49.29 | zeroC | ah ok... |
| 16:49.39 | shizz | jetx, i want to uninstall the .run -- you told me "sh NVIDIA-blank" |
| 16:49.42 | punsad | punsad: ouch parted doesn't look too easy to use |
| 16:49.52 | jim | so what you've done so far is? |
| 16:49.53 | Epod69 | could i do python './setup.py' ? |
| 16:49.56 | zeroC | tarzeau do u use xorg |
| 16:49.57 | punsad | woops ... didn' |
| 16:49.57 | shizz | uso im doing that, jetx in hopes that it'll uninstall the nvidia drivers so i can apt-get the nvidia drivers |
| 16:49.59 | tarzeau | zeroC: no |
| 16:50.07 | punsad | woops ... didn't mean to address myself :) |
| 16:50.10 | Epod69 | *'python ./setuppy' |
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| 16:50.15 | Epod69 | setup.py |
| 16:50.25 | martinja | Did it |
| 16:50.43 | martinja | now when I search for realplayer.png, it still finds some |
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| 16:50.54 | jetx | shizz: weird.. ok so get the kernel headers, apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` , then pass the installer the --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include as well as --uninstall |
| 16:50.59 | jim | Epod69: see if they know on #python |
| 16:51.12 | jetx | no trailing / after include |
| 16:51.22 | shizz | jetx, yikes! -- so i just do those commands? |
| 16:51.24 | jim | maybe for example they are familiar with setup.py |
| 16:51.45 | jim | and what it usually does, and what you're supposed to feed it |
| 16:51.52 | jetx | yeah as root. those are ` below the tilde, not ' under the " |
| 16:51.53 | avu | epod69: it's a distutils setup script, do a 'python setup.py help' |
| 16:52.22 | martinja | daxiang : somehow there are loads of .png files left :/ |
| 16:52.58 | jetx | shizz: you didn't have the kernel headers when you tried to install the .run? |
| 16:53.18 | martinja | Daxiang : in the rm exe, should I maybe try to do a find "*realplayer*.png"? |
| 16:53.25 | abrotman | martinja: search how ? |
| 16:53.48 | shizz | jetx, well i installed the nvidia drivers on GNOME and then downloaded xfce4.2 - now i assume that's what caused the problem and I also assume that I have to reinstall to be safer |
| 16:53.56 | martinja | find /usr/share -name "*realplay*" |
| 16:54.01 | martinja | abrotman : |
| 16:54.07 | daxiang | martinja: I'm just very carefull with deleting things. After all, you are root now and could delete something you need. |
| 16:54.08 | jetx | shizz: you can probably install it, if you wanted, using that --kernel-include-path= , it will uninstall any previous |
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| 16:54.15 | jim | Epod69: well, whaddyaknow... someone here did know! "avu epod69: it's a distutils setup script, do a 'python setup.py help'" |
| 16:54.30 | shizz | jetx, tell me how please? |
| 16:54.30 | Azar | hi |
| 16:54.37 | martinja | daxiang : ok, I understand. |
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| 16:54.40 | Epod69 | jim, did that im trying to figure it out now |
| 16:54.41 | abrotman | martinja: ok .. just wanted to make sure you didn't use locate |
| 16:54.57 | jetx | shizz: ok so get the kernel headers, apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` , then pass the installer the --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 16:54.58 | jim | good enuf... good luck |
| 16:55.00 | jetx | no trailing / after include |
| 16:55.13 | dob1 | when i upgraded from woody to sarge there was a message about samba and the password file that it's different, i didn't take a note about this, where can i get that message ? or what is it ? |
| 16:55.17 | jetx | it will tell you that directive is dperecated but ignore that |
| 16:55.19 | daxiang | martinja: if you deleted _ find /usr/share -name "realplay*.png" _, what does _ find /usr/share -name "*realplay*" _ say now? |
| 16:55.29 | Azar | jim I have a question: with sarge, are there any processes that could connect to download stuff on their own, without me knowing about? |
| 16:55.56 | roler | so no one has linux wireless setup to auto connect to a local network that you have configured? |
| 16:55.58 | jim | and for the future, Epod69, keep track of the very first questions I asked you... because any helper on any channel will want to know their answer when you ask |
| 16:56.06 | avu | epod69: If the software contains C extensions do a 'python setup.py build' first, then 'python setup.py install', otherwise just the install will do |
| 16:56.12 | jim | Epod69: what's it for? what are you trying to do? what have you done so far? what were the results? what have you read? what did you learn from reading? |
| 16:56.14 | jetx | roler: i might in a week or 2 |
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| 16:56.37 | Big_Wolf | I'm trying to run grub-install and I get the error "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.". Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 16:56.40 | Epod69 | avu, did build then install but it says error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory) |
| 16:56.44 | daxiang | roler: i autoconnect to like 2,3 networks when i boot my notebook, but not "on the fly". i use guessnet with some modifications |
| 16:56.46 | jetx | apt-get install lilo |
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| 16:56.56 | shizz | jetx, how do I "then pass the installer the --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include" |
| 16:57.02 | roler | daxiang; thanks I will check it out |
| 16:57.05 | martinja | daxiang : http://pastebin.ca/14115 |
| 16:57.07 | roler | jetx; what will it be called? |
| 16:57.09 | jim | Azar: not sure I understand... that sounds like spyware or something |
| 16:57.14 | jim | or a virus |
| 16:57.27 | jetx | shizz: sh NVIDIA-(whatever).run --kernel-include-path=..... |
| 16:57.42 | avu | epod69: That's the point where you should ask google for that error. :) |
| 16:57.42 | shizz | after doing "apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`" i get this "Package kernel-headers is not installed, so not removed" |
| 16:58.06 | Azar | jim the only stuff I have is xmms, feh, nethack, irssi and firefox - which I only used once. virus on Debian? |
| 16:58.12 | daxiang | roler: but the "wireless-test" provided with guessnet is not very reliable, you will have to use something based on iwlist IFACE scan. |
| 16:58.13 | avu | epod69: If that doesn't help ask #python maybe, I am not sure how to fix this, sorry. |
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| 16:58.17 | jetx | shizz the `uname -r` is a ... what's the word, enviroment variable? that is your kernel |
| 16:58.34 | AlfatangoXT | salve gente :)) |
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| 16:58.37 | jetx | shizz try it by it'self. type uname -r |
| 16:58.45 | shizz | i must've typed something wrong, jetx after copying and pasting what you wrote it works |
| 16:58.45 | Azar | I see an unusual activity on my router, that only stops when I unplug the connection |
| 16:58.55 | AlfatangoXT | sono fresco fresco di debian ....... non ridete x favore LOL |
| 16:59.01 | AlfatangoXT | :D |
| 16:59.02 | jim | Azar: ohh, packages you mean? yes. apt-get will install other packages that are meant to support the ones you installed; |
| 16:59.04 | jim | also |
| 16:59.06 | jetx | putting `uname -r` substitutes all that |
| 16:59.14 | jetx | ahh ok |
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| 16:59.24 | shizz | jetx, so after kernel headers, 'sh NVIDIA --kernel bla bla |
| 16:59.25 | shizz | : |
| 16:59.34 | daxiang | martinja: now first delete the "reaplay*.png" files, as i said (i think you forgot the star "*" before) ;) |
| 16:59.36 | jetx | shizz: the tab completion and up arrow are your console friends |
| 16:59.38 | Azar | so aptitude is auto updating without me asking for ? |
| 16:59.55 | shizz | yea, ive come to know the tab key very well, jetx |
| 16:59.56 | jetx | sh nvidia(blah).run --kernel-xkcjhkxhjk;vlhx;hcxvc yeah |
| 16:59.56 | jim | Azar: if you install "the standard system", you will get certain packages (ones which are essential, required, important and standard) |
| 17:00.04 | jim | no |
| 17:00.12 | jim | not without you starting it |
| 17:00.20 | roler | hmm |
| 17:00.24 | cusco | roler: I do |
| 17:00.40 | martinja | daxiang : find /usr/share -name "*reaplay*.png" -exec rm -v '{}' ';' ? |
| 17:00.41 | jim | but when you do start it, you might get packages you didn't know that other packages needed |
| 17:00.46 | cusco | roler: sory I was reading up there... 17:56 < roler> so no one has linux wireless setup to auto connect to a local network that you have configured? |
| 17:00.47 | Azar | what I see is scary, because I do not know which process is connecting outside and having some sort of net activity |
| 17:00.47 | shizz | jetx, damn x server |
| 17:00.52 | cahoot | Azar: iptraf might be informative |
| 17:00.52 | shizz | jetx have to stop it, brb. |
| 17:00.57 | roler | cusco; what do you use? |
| 17:01.03 | daxiang | martinja: yes |
| 17:01.04 | cusco | ndiswrapper |
| 17:01.17 | Azar | ok cahoot will check that one |
| 17:01.17 | cusco | wireless-tools |
| 17:01.20 | cusco | iwconfig |
| 17:01.22 | jim | Azar: try tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:01.23 | spoofer | hi all, when I play sound using esound, I get a lot of interference...What can be the cause? |
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| 17:01.34 | roler | cusco; to do it automatic?? |
| 17:01.36 | caphuso | spoofer: esound |
| 17:01.38 | jetx | shizz and put nvidia back instead of nv |
| 17:01.45 | martinja | done |
| 17:01.48 | jim | interferon! |
| 17:02.00 | cusco | roler: I just set the essid and the channel... it always detects my network on boot up |
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| 17:02.06 | cusco | I also set the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 17:02.14 | shizz | okay |
| 17:02.29 | roler | cusco; well my problem is i have blocked ssid and wep and all that |
| 17:02.31 | jetx | no glcore no dri no fb |
| 17:02.33 | jetx | lksajdlh;a |
| 17:02.44 | martinja | done, and then I do a find /usr/share -name "*realplay*.png" |
| 17:02.44 | martinja | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.51 | cusco | roler: what you mean? block? |
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| 17:03.09 | daxiang | roler: but iwlist wlan0 scan will give you the mac-address, you can check for that in interfaces. |
| 17:03.19 | spoofer | caphuso: well I had figured out by myself ;-) but is it a known/fixable behaviour or is there no solution? I tried arts and my applications segfault.. |
| 17:03.25 | cusco | ohh yes |
| 17:03.27 | cusco | right |
| 17:03.52 | roler | daxiang; the mac-address of the AP? |
| 17:03.55 | caphuso | spoofer: esd is known to behave badly, and hasn't been fixed in years |
| 17:03.57 | jim | martinja: I don't know :) it obviously depends on what you have installed |
| 17:04.07 | daxiang | martinja: not at all, could you paste |
| 17:04.21 | tarzeau | can someone access http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xview/xview_3.2p1.4-19/olvwm.copyright |
| 17:04.27 | spoofer | caphuso: Any suggestions on what I should use as sound server? |
| 17:04.29 | daxiang | roler: yes, iwlist will give you the mac-address of all ap available. |
| 17:04.34 | roler | daxiang; WOW! |
| 17:04.35 | Azar | iptraf command not known and /var/log/auth.log shows something trying to use mail (which I do not have setup) and a failed login jim |
| 17:04.43 | roler | daxiang; screw those utils, i'll just write a script |
| 17:04.45 | martinja | http://pastebin.ca/14119 |
| 17:05.17 | caphuso | spoofer: nope |
| 17:05.52 | jim | Azar: what name did they use on the failed login? a local mail server is used by various parts of debian; you should at least have a local one |
| 17:06.11 | spoofer | Is it possible to play 2 sounds at the same time using only alsa? caphuso |
| 17:06.14 | Azar | 'UNKNOWN', jim |
| 17:06.22 | caphuso | spoofer: google for "dmix" |
| 17:06.25 | daxiang | daxiang: that's what i did. guessnet integrate neatly into /etc/networking/interfaces and with iwlist embedded in a script you have everything you need. it integrates well into debian and is not too hard. i could send you my script and configs. |
| 17:06.30 | spoofer | caphuso: ok thanks! |
| 17:06.48 | Azar | it only gives me the stuff happening today, not the activity from last night |
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| 17:06.56 | jim | you can look thru the auth log with less (instead of tail -f) |
| 17:07.07 | Azar | ok |
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| 17:07.18 | jim | ls /var/log/auth* |
| 17:07.19 | daxiang | martinja: then your removal-command must have been wrong ;) |
| 17:07.24 | jim | and you'll see the others |
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| 17:07.51 | daxiang | martinja: so again first do __ find /usr/share -name "realplay*.png" __ |
| 17:07.52 | jim | there's a name for that, it's called log rotation |
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| 17:08.11 | wlinux | hy |
| 17:08.25 | jim | loe |
| 17:08.32 | martinja | daxiang : done, lists a lot of pngs. |
| 17:08.35 | daxiang | martinja: then up-arrow __ find /usr/share -name "realplay*.png" -exec rm -r '{}' ';' __ and append the -exec command. now if that doesn't work i don't know |
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| 17:09.11 | jim | you don't need -r on a file |
| 17:09.14 | shizz | jetx, thanks a lot. |
| 17:09.14 | martinja | works |
| 17:09.16 | martinja | :) |
| 17:09.19 | martinja | No more pngs |
| 17:09.19 | shizz | jetx, it's working |
| 17:09.22 | daxiang | martinja: because you use the very same find command, the second deletes everything the first command had found. |
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| 17:09.32 | Azar | hmm all night with connection down the system tryied to open sessions in root and mail |
| 17:09.33 | [2D2D]Boneless | Hi! How can I use apt-get install to only install a package, and not the dependencies for that package? |
| 17:09.40 | martinja | damn my typos, hehe |
| 17:09.45 | Azar | there is some process trying to get some activity jim and I do not know which |
| 17:10.07 | wlinux | what openldap |
| 17:10.09 | wlinux | ? |
| 17:10.14 | daxiang | martinja: so, what does __ find /usr/share -name "*realplay*" __ say? |
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| 17:10.34 | jim | martinja, daxiang: another way, find ____ -name ____ > aFileWhereTheNamesGo |
| 17:10.52 | jim | rm $(aFileWhereTheNamesGo) |
| 17:10.57 | martinja | http://pastebin.ca/14122 |
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| 17:11.11 | shizz | anybody reccomend a good cd ripper for debian on xfce? |
| 17:11.18 | cahoot | Azar: cron trying to mail you? |
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| 17:11.40 | Eclipser | shizz, grip perhaps? |
| 17:11.41 | tarzeau | the next debian version number is 95 ? |
| 17:11.47 | jim | Azar: try pulling your net temporarily |
| 17:11.50 | dbeal | Okay. I changed sources.list from testing to sarge. If I try to run an update through aptitude, it tries to remove all kinds of automatic packages (alot of stuff that I stil l want). Why is it doing this? |
| 17:11.54 | Azar | cahoot, when cron is trying to mail me, I might see messages but not this time |
| 17:11.55 | jim | does it continue? |
| 17:11.56 | daxiang | jim: i know, but often people don't know how to use find with exec together, and it's often handy. but in this case your method would have been clearer, you are right. |
| 17:12.08 | Azar | jim I pulled my net all night until now |
| 17:12.11 | shizz | Eclipser, thank you. |
| 17:12.19 | Eclipser | shizz, no problem |
| 17:12.28 | jim | Azar: and it was still doing it? |
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| 17:12.42 | shizz | Eclipser, as im new to linux i dont know the names of many programs |
| 17:12.46 | AlfatangoXT | ce' nessuno italiano? |
| 17:12.49 | Azar | and thats what I see in the log session open/closed for user root and session open/closed for user mail |
| 17:12.54 | tarzeau | !it |
| 17:12.55 | dpkg | i heard italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:13.00 | martinja | daxiang : in case you missed it with all the other chats here http://pastebin.ca/14122 |
| 17:13.05 | jim | that's normal |
| 17:13.10 | Eclipser | shizz, aptitude is a nice tool... or if you want graphical, synaptic |
| 17:13.12 | AlfatangoXT | ?????? |
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| 17:13.20 | jim | the failed login, that's something you might look into |
| 17:13.27 | shizz | Eclipser, how do i get synaptic? |
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| 17:13.32 | jim | what IP did it come from, for example |
| 17:13.44 | zmo | hi |
| 17:13.45 | Azar | jim what worried me last night before disconnecting the net was looking at my router and seeing activity like a large download |
| 17:13.46 | at0m|c | shizz: apt-get install synaptic |
| 17:13.48 | AlfatangoXT | e che ne so se non lo dite |
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| 17:14.10 | tarzeau | AlfatangoXT: please talk english here |
| 17:14.17 | cahoot | Azar: checked the sshd log? |
| 17:14.19 | Azar | jim I wish I could see my connections |
| 17:14.24 | jim | ok, we're going in circles... |
| 17:14.29 | Azar | cahoot, no where is that log? |
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| 17:14.40 | jim | look into netstat |
| 17:14.45 | jim | ps aux |
| 17:14.51 | roler | thanks guys |
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| 17:15.02 | mattB | hey there anyone into mythtv? |
| 17:15.03 | jim | get a copy of iptraf installed |
| 17:15.17 | jim | anyway I gotta go for awhile |
| 17:15.22 | tarzeau | mattB: /msg dpkg poll |
| 17:15.29 | Azar | thanks jim have a good day |
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| 17:15.55 | shizz | how do I run synaptic, at0m|c |
| 17:15.57 | daxiang | martinja: with 14122, you can delete everything BUT line 2, 6 and 7 |
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| 17:16.29 | martinja | daxiang : with 14122? |
| 17:16.31 | michael301080_ | @seen kilo |
| 17:16.32 | ravenbird | i haven't seen 'kilo', michael301080_ |
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| 17:16.46 | tarzeau | unless someone wants to play some bubbling with me |
| 17:17.02 | daxiang | roler: did it work for you? |
| 17:17.06 | jim | bubbleman! I can't... |
| 17:17.06 | mattB | okay will try again. having trouble to get mythbackend start from init script directly works |
| 17:17.20 | daxiang | martinja: i mean pastebin 14122 |
| 17:17.23 | michael301080_ | hi all |
| 17:18.00 | mattB | log says that it cannot connect to the mysql database |
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| 17:18.06 | michael301080_ | do I have to update or alter my sources.list file now sarge == stable ? |
| 17:18.09 | martinja | daxiang : ok so remove all besides 2 6 and 7 |
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| 17:18.19 | shizz | How can I get the mouse scroll working? |
| 17:18.21 | tarzeau | michael301080_: mayybe, what does your sources.list look like? |
| 17:18.27 | jim | mattB, I can't stay... but you should provide answer to: what's it for? what are you trying to do? what have you done so far? what were the results? what have you read? what did you learn from reading? |
| 17:18.29 | tarzeau | shizz: where? x? svgalib? gpm? |
| 17:18.37 | Azar | nice interface |
| 17:18.42 | daxiang | martinja: yup |
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| 17:19.18 | michael301080_ | hi tarzeau, my sources.list contains a few lines mentioning unstable, and I was just guessing... |
| 17:19.28 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 17:19.28 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 17:19.51 | michael301080_ | tarzeau: should change those lines to stable then? |
| 17:19.59 | tarzeau | dpkg bobbitt and Same goes for Etch. |
| 17:20.00 | martinja | daxiang : done |
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| 17:20.09 | tarzeau | dpkg bobbitt is also Same goes for Etch. |
| 17:20.25 | tarzeau | michael301080_: probably, if that still works |
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| 17:20.41 | mattB | okay I can start the mythbackend as user mythtv by just typing mythbackend this works fine. however /etv/init.d/mythtv-backend start as root does not work |
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| 17:20.47 | daxiang | martinja: so __ find /usr/share -name "*realplay*" __ says what? |
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| 17:21.02 | Phated | tarzeau: You don't understand that bobbitt isn't an info factoid now, but an action, do you? :) |
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| 17:21.11 | martinja | /usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Multimedia/realplayer.desktop |
| 17:21.12 | martinja | /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/scalable/apps/realplayer.svgz |
| 17:21.12 | martinja | /usr/share/icons/Nuvola/scalable/apps/realplayer.svg |
| 17:21.14 | tarzeau | Phated: yes i noticed now |
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| 17:21.24 | michael301080_ | tarzeau: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 17:21.28 | mattB | logfile says Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| 17:21.32 | JeffH_ | what's the URL for the new debian installer? |
| 17:21.37 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 17:21.37 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:21.42 | Eclipser | damn, too slow |
| 17:21.45 | mattB | password is correct |
| 17:21.56 | jetx | shizz choose imps2 instead of ps2 when you drxx |
| 17:21.56 | JeffH_ | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 17:21.58 | jim | I thought password was YES |
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| 17:22.14 | viper2k | hmm I`m using my debian box as router with iptables.. works perfect sofar but msn is a bit buggy on it .. if I use my us robotics router box it works fine so it really is some config .. is there some kind of script I need to use to make msn run cool ? |
| 17:22.15 | jetx | shizz not to be confused with the psaux one |
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| 17:22.24 | mattB | no thats mysql when you use a password at all |
| 17:22.31 | jim | oic |
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| 17:22.54 | daxiang | martinja: those are allright, at last you have to remove the plugins for mozilla, cf. pastebin 14103, lines 268-271 |
| 17:22.54 | viper2k | oic? |
| 17:22.56 | Eclipser | !oic |
| 17:22.56 | dpkg | somebody said oic was pronounced like it is spelled "oh i see" |
| 17:22.57 | jetx | open up the ports msn wants? |
| 17:23.07 | mattB | strange thing is in the init script the user should change from root to mythtv |
| 17:23.14 | jim | oicurmt. |
| 17:23.24 | Eclipser | o.O? |
| 17:23.28 | Eclipser | !oicurmt |
| 17:23.28 | mattB | other than that the startscript is just invoking the mythbackend |
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| 17:23.33 | viper2k | jetx but I have like 8 computers with msn .. so portforwarding wont work... |
| 17:23.37 | viper2k | oicurmt? |
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| 17:23.45 | Eclipser | oh my god, dpkg isn't all-knowing |
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| 17:24.20 | daxiang | martinja: see why it makes sense to use a package manager ;) |
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| 17:24.22 | jetx | u r mpty |
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| 17:24.36 | masoft | I added CPU-Freq to my Gnome panel, but at first time it give a error because I didn't active Freq support in kernel. now everytime Gnome start, it will show this error and there isn't anything to remove from panel. how can I remove it ? (these conf. must be in ~/.gconf or ~/.gnome or ... I couldn't find anything) |
| 17:24.38 | martinja | daxiang : very |
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| 17:25.12 | martinja | daxiang : should I just rm the .so .xpt files? |
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| 17:25.18 | snk00sj | goodevening |
| 17:25.28 | snk00sj | i just installed sarge on my IBM thinkpad (R50) |
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| 17:25.38 | snk00sj | i selected the ati drivers in the installation setup |
| 17:25.50 | daxiang | martinja: you can append "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main" to your sources list to use a realplayer-package if you need |
| 17:25.50 | snk00sj | but when i want to change resolution in x server (gnome & kde) |
| 17:25.56 | snk00sj | everything really looks fucked up |
| 17:26.16 | martinja | ok |
| 17:26.17 | snk00sj | can anyone point me a way of fixing this, or at least give me a direction to look for |
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| 17:26.32 | martinja | I first just want to get rid of this realplayer compleatly |
| 17:26.41 | daxiang | martinja: i think those are links, do a ls -l first or find /usr -name "realplay*" -type l |
| 17:26.45 | error403 | snk00sj, screwed up in what way? |
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| 17:27.01 | snk00sj | the mouse pointer changes in a big square |
| 17:27.15 | snk00sj | and everything above the 800x600 looks very weird |
| 17:27.34 | snk00sj | some things are also displayed double |
| 17:27.42 | error403 | hmmm |
| 17:27.59 | error403 | snk00sj, just found a page that might be useful, but i havent read it yet |
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| 17:28.12 | martinja | in /home/martin/RealPlayer/mozilla doing ls -l gives me : |
| 17:28.13 | error403 | www.linux-on-laptops.com has some helpful links |
| 17:28.13 | martinja | total 72 |
| 17:28.13 | martinja | -rwxr-xr-x 1 501 501 57457 Apr 2 02:51 nphelix.so |
| 17:28.13 | martinja | -rwxr-xr-x 1 501 501 5086 Apr 2 02:51 nphelix.xpt |
| 17:28.24 | error403 | snk00sj, have a look at http://debian-thinkpad.javaguru.org/ maybe |
| 17:28.27 | daxiang | snk00sj: could you paste an appropriate page from tuxmobil, so we see which hardware you have? |
| 17:28.53 | Azar | viper2k is you the one who wrote about mswindows processes website? |
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| 17:29.11 | daxiang | martinja: no sthg. like _ find /usr -name "realplay*" -exec ls -l '{}' ';' _ |
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| 17:29.31 | adapt | oi oi |
| 17:29.33 | shizz | sorry jetx im to choose what for the mouse? |
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| 17:29.49 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 17:29.49 | martinja | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3498 Jan 23 16:25 /usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Multimedia/realplayer.desktop |
| 17:29.49 | martinja | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2800 Mar 1 2004 /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/scalable/apps/realplayer.svgz |
| 17:29.49 | martinja | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26832 Mar 30 21:31 /usr/share/icons/Nuvola/scalable/apps/realplayer.svg |
| 17:30.05 | error403 | Hmm, just a quick question... Does parted change the sizes of ext3 partitions without destroying data? |
| 17:30.11 | Vegar | which package contains gtk-config? |
| 17:30.24 | Wyzard | Vegar: gtk-config is obsolete... use pkg-config |
| 17:30.30 | Vegar | oh |
| 17:30.33 | Wyzard | Vegar: gtk-config was from GTK 1.x days |
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| 17:30.42 | si|vercat | sarge is now "stable"? |
| 17:30.53 | Wyzard | Vegar: But to get the .pc file used by pkg-config, you need libgtk2.0-dev |
| 17:30.54 | nse | hello everybody, I'm having problems when trying to read with my Epiphany some .xml MSN log files, that's the error I'm receiving: Error loading stylesheet: (null) ~/MessageLog.xsl - any way for me to go round this problem? |
| 17:30.58 | solemnwarning | ive got a 486 i want to install debian on |
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| 17:31.02 | Azar | si|vercat yes |
| 17:31.05 | solemnwarning | no cd |
| 17:31.09 | Vegar | Wyzard: thanks |
| 17:31.21 | si|vercat | what is testing codenamed now then? :p |
| 17:31.29 | Azar | etch |
| 17:31.34 | si|vercat | who's etch? :P |
| 17:31.43 | Azar | the new testing |
| 17:31.44 | solemnwarning | the only way i can do it is with cds\isos from a fat32 partition |
| 17:31.45 | daxiang | martinja: that's everything, nothing in /usr/lib? did you do a find /usr/share or a find /usr ? |
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| 17:31.53 | solemnwarning | is there a guid on doing an install like that? |
| 17:31.56 | si|vercat | can't rememer etch from toy story :s |
| 17:31.57 | solemnwarning | from boot floppy |
| 17:32.03 | solemnwarning | i can |
| 17:32.09 | martinja | daxiang I copy pasted yours. /usr |
| 17:32.17 | solemnwarning | why does deb use names from toy storey for releases? |
| 17:32.47 | martinja | odd |
| 17:32.50 | martinja | it found more now |
| 17:32.52 | daxiang | martinja: so you have gotten rid of realplayer at last! you can delete the directory in your home now, if you want. but that doesn't really matter. |
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| 17:33.25 | daxiang | martinja: well find needs some time to find everything ;) |
| 17:33.32 | Azar | which I think the best way to clear the confusion is to use "sarge" or "woody" instead of stable when dealing with sources.list then "testing" and "unstable" for the rest |
| 17:33.43 | solemnwarning | so there are no tutorials\walkthroughs\guides on the type of install i want to attempt? |
| 17:33.44 | martinja | daxiang : http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 17:33.49 | martinja | http://pastebin.ca/14126 |
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| 17:34.32 | Azar | people still using "woody" should do that because now "stable" refers to Sarge |
| 17:34.41 | roler | in a bash script I have a string with spaces, how do I split that string into an array based on the spaces? |
| 17:36.53 | daxiang | martinja: those are the three files i told you not to delete. they were there before you installed realplayer. |
| 17:36.55 | error403 | Hmm, just a quick question... Does parted change the sizes of ext3 partitions without destroying data? |
| 17:37.25 | martinja | daxiang : so to rm the realpalyer in home/martin and I am set? |
| 17:37.42 | spoofer | thanks caphuso I works! |
| 17:37.48 | daxiang | martinja: yup, that should be all. at last! |
| 17:37.57 | martinja | Thank you! Thank you! |
| 17:37.58 | shingouz | martinja: should be enough if you installed it as a user |
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| 17:38.23 | martinja | ok thats mean |
| 17:38.35 | daxiang | roler: IFS=" " may help you, but are you sure you want to use an array |
| 17:38.47 | martinja | what if I installed it as a root?? O_O |
| 17:38.55 | shingouz | martinja: this is #debian on a sunday night, of course we are mean ;) |
| 17:39.06 | martinja | lol |
| 17:39.10 | martinja | So an evil joke? |
| 17:39.21 | daxiang | shingouz, martinja: at least it's now clear what packages are fore ;)) |
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| 17:39.31 | shingouz | martinja: you may have the files all over the place in that case. there should be some install script in the package tou installed |
| 17:39.36 | shingouz | daxiang: amen on that |
| 17:40.00 | daxiang | ;) |
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| 17:40.14 | FireHopper | Okay.. Linux semi newbie here; and I'm having issues on a new debian intall |
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| 17:40.21 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 17:40.21 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 17:40.23 | tarzeau | !ask |
| 17:40.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 17:40.23 | martinja | hehehe how to rm a folder? |
| 17:40.27 | FireHopper | isnsta;; |
| 17:40.28 | daxiang | roler: what exactly do you want to do: |
| 17:40.32 | tarzeau | martinja: man rm |
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| 17:40.46 | shizz | jetx, HELP! |
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| 17:40.50 | daxiang | tarzeau: i think martinja was joking ;) |
| 17:40.53 | roler | daxiang; ok I'm trying to create a script for my wireless connector thing i'm making. I'm putting the contents of iwlist ath0 scan into an array... I wanted it so the array consisted of the mac address of the APs only so I can do a while loop and do if statements, to then setup my network |
| 17:41.03 | shizz | jetx, i tried changing it to ImPS/2 - but it still doesn't work |
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| 17:41.15 | FireHopper | I used the net install of the 3.1, and it seemed fine, but it didn't setup x properly |
| 17:41.25 | tarzeau | daxiang: how could i have known? she's asked other basic questions already |
| 17:41.39 | shingouz | !tell FireHopper about troubleshooting x |
| 17:42.11 | FireHopper | thanks shin. will try it right now.. it's on a laptop |
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| 17:42.26 | martinja | now soon to reboot and hope kernel 2.6 will work :) |
| 17:42.27 | shingouz | !tell FireHopper about nicktab |
| 17:42.34 | daxiang | roler: i make it simpler: if iwlist eth1 scanning | grep -iq ${MAC} ; then echo "found mac" ; else echo "didn't find mac" fi |
| 17:42.40 | shingouz | FireHopper: also, /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 17:43.16 | daxiang | tarzeau: i just thought martinja has deleted ___so much___ by now, it should be clear, how rm works :))) |
| 17:43.26 | martinja | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.17 | foureyes779 | shizz, ya broke it |
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| 17:44.49 | roler | daxiang ; bad grep params? |
| 17:44.55 | shizz | i know :( |
| 17:45.09 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 17:45.20 | daxiang | roler: no, -i is for ignore cases and -q is for don't say anything. |
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| 17:46.01 | daxiang | roler: in that case you can check the exit-status to see what happend |
| 17:47.01 | FireHopper | shin. apparently xfree isn't properly installed at all.. I type start x and it gives a path and says /X can't be run or found. |
| 17:47.01 | roler | daxiang; oh I see this will scan for the mac address i'm seeing if it exists. but I don't want to scan that many times. I have like 15 networks I can connect to |
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| 17:47.16 | FireHopper | and the Dpkg isn't helping.. it says it's not installed |
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| 17:47.41 | HansZ | in 'top' I see 67116k buffers, what does that mean? |
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| 17:47.45 | FireHopper | that xfree86 isn't installed |
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| 17:48.04 | shingouz | FireHopper: first of all, you can tab complete nicks on irc, a nick on the line highlights the line. second, it is not 'start x' it is 'startx' |
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| 17:48.35 | snk00sj | oké thanks for the help guys |
| 17:48.44 | FireHopper | I know it's not start x I ment startx |
| 17:48.46 | martinja | daxiang : reboot time to 2.6! ole |
| 17:48.48 | snk00sj | i was off (dinner), i'll try to get a list of my hardware somewhere |
| 17:48.51 | Azar | cahoot, is the iptraf reading connections to other machines on my network as well as mine? I see an IP destination I know it is not mine , but related to my network.. |
| 17:48.58 | shingouz | !tell FireHopper about install x |
| 17:49.00 | FireHopper | I'm so used to not using tab complete.. |
| 17:49.23 | shingouz | FireHopper: it sure helps on a 800 peopel channel you know |
| 17:49.28 | shingouz | people even |
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| 17:49.47 | daxiang | martinja: great news |
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| 17:50.06 | adaran | is there any way to "offer" an ssh shell, reversing the roles when initiating a connection? |
| 17:50.36 | adaran | (when the host i want to connect to cannot open a port for listening, but the client can) |
| 17:50.44 | FireHopper | lol.. well this is the first time I've been on a channel with that many :) |
| 17:51.13 | shingouz | FireHopper: and this channel has been past 800 for the past week or so |
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| 17:53.08 | FireHopper | shin |
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| 17:53.10 | FireHopper | ack |
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| 17:53.13 | martinja | ole! |
| 17:53.23 | Azar | I am getting connected to a chinese network and I cant do damn about that |
| 17:53.29 | martinja | 2.6 kernel. Debian 3.1 most things working :) couldnt be better |
| 17:53.30 | Azar | just watch |
| 17:53.41 | FireHopper | shingouz, what's the line for the window manager. (Kde? or gnome?) |
| 17:53.44 | martinja | pervin_ Photo http://deryacik.webpal.info/photo.jp |
| 17:53.46 | martinja | eh` |
| 17:53.48 | FireHopper | the package name |
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| 17:54.01 | martinja | how should I go about removing 2.4 kernel? Synaptic? |
| 17:54.15 | vox | how do you mean remove? |
| 17:54.19 | green_earz | FireHopper: kdm |
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| 17:54.23 | pureone | http://www.wimp.com/linux |
| 17:54.39 | martinja | vox : Get rid of it, I am using kernel 2.6 now |
| 17:55.15 | daxiang | martinja: just keep the kernel 2.4 for some like days or weeks, you should always have two sane kernels on your install |
| 17:55.15 | vox | martinja: go into /boot and rm vmlinuz-2.4.something.something |
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| 17:55.31 | vox | martinja: or do what daxiang said :) |
| 17:55.33 | stew | martinja: yes, synaptic will work |
| 17:55.41 | daxiang | vox: no! martinja is probably using packages |
| 17:55.54 | martinja | ok I guess 100 mbyte more or less wont interfer with 80 GB |
| 17:56.01 | vox | daxiang: hence why i said do what you said :) |
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| 17:56.18 | martinja | daxiang doing what vox recommend would it hurt me? |
| 17:56.19 | daxiang | vox, martinja: ;) |
| 17:56.21 | nebular | is there any intructions out there on how to use a floppy to boot a live cd created with bootcd? |
| 17:56.37 | martinja | Cant wait for truecrypt to work with linux |
| 17:57.04 | daxiang | martinja: once you build your own 2.6.11.11 or later (at the time it comes out) you can savely remove the 2.4 kernel. |
| 17:57.22 | FireHopper | shingouz, thanks for the help :) it is working now |
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| 17:57.37 | error403 | Another stupid question from me - are there official Debian case badges? |
| 17:57.39 | martinja | so if I dont build my own kernel, its not safe to remove 2.4? |
| 17:58.01 | vox | error403: you still here? :) |
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| 17:58.12 | error403 | vox, yeah, why? |
| 17:58.38 | daxiang | martinja: is usually don't mess with files installed by the package. you can safely edit files in /etc, or do things in /var, but /usr (not /usr/local) is usually controled by dpkg (well there are exceptions like dpkg-divert) and in your case /boot as well |
| 17:59.03 | vox | error403: you've been here for hours heh :) |
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| 17:59.39 | saabin | how can I backup,via tar, remotely to ftp server using ncftp client? |
| 17:59.45 | martinja | so in other words, first when I compile my own kernel for my system, removing an old kernel is not wise? |
| 18:00.05 | daxiang | martinja: no, it's just common practice to always have two kernels, in case you have problems with one you can switch |
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| 18:00.18 | vox | martinja: it's just a good idea to have a back-up |
| 18:00.18 | error403 | vox, i kinda have this computer always-on, and i idle here, and its right next to my other computer, and i spend most of the day on my computer, so yeah |
| 18:00.19 | error403 | so |
| 18:00.24 | error403 | are there official Debian case badges? |
| 18:00.26 | Carrus85 | q: what is the apt-get package name for the gnu c/c++ compiler suite? |
| 18:00.29 | vox | error403: heh fairy nuff |
| 18:00.35 | martinja | ok |
| 18:00.37 | saabin | martinja actually how big is old kernel? Save it for some times. Remove it later after new kernel performs well |
| 18:00.40 | stew | !b-e Carrus85 |
| 18:00.41 | dpkg | Carrus85: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 18:00.48 | daxiang | martinja: what does dpkg --search /boot/kernel-image-2.4XXXX say (replace XXX with your correct version for 2.4) |
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| 18:02.07 | saabin | how can I backup,via tar, remotely to ftp server using ncftp client??? I saw somebody in here post it, but never paid attenttion to what this genious individual said. Now nothing? |
| 18:02.20 | martinja | dpkg --search /boot/kernel-image-2.4.27-2 |
| 18:02.20 | martinja | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.45 | saabin | martinja: ls -al /boot/ | grep kern |
| 18:02.48 | daxiang | Carrus85: Do you mean the gnu compiler collection or the gnu c and gnu c++ compilers? because in debian you have two packages for the latter |
| 18:03.19 | resiak | daxiang: Carrus85 wants build-essential, really. |
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| 18:03.29 | martinja | no reply |
| 18:03.36 | Carrus85 | yes, build-essential contained what I needed (from what it included from dependancies) |
| 18:03.40 | nse | hello everybody, I'm having problems when trying to read with my Epiphany some .xml MSN log files, that's the error I'm receiving: Error loading stylesheet: (null) ~/MessageLog.xsl - any way for me to go round this problem? |
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| 18:03.59 | saabin | tar czf - <files> | ftp server backupfile.tar.gz |
| 18:04.14 | saabin | how? |
| 18:04.22 | Rockret | is good guideline moce from kernel 2.6.8-i386 to 2.6.11 ? |
| 18:04.25 | shingouz | Spielberg: Taken airs now, guess if i am going couchpotato? |
| 18:04.28 | tarzeau | saabin: www.linuks.mine.nu/ssh/ |
| 18:04.41 | Rockret | moce = move |
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| 18:05.07 | daxiang | martinja: ah. what does kernel-image-2.4.27-2 say? |
| 18:05.22 | martinja | couldnt be found |
| 18:05.33 | stew | saabin: put -t /path/to/dir iirc, check the ncftp manpage |
| 18:05.33 | daxiang | resiak: well yes, that was it ;) |
| 18:05.42 | stew | saabin: -T maybe |
| 18:06.21 | daxiang | martinja: ah. what does dpkg -s kernel-image-2.4.27-2 say? |
| 18:06.38 | daxiang | martinja: or dpkg --get-selections | grep kernel-image |
| 18:07.20 | martinja | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 install |
| 18:07.20 | martinja | kernel-image-2.6-686 install |
| 18:07.20 | martinja | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 deinstall |
| 18:07.20 | martinja | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 install |
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| 18:09.28 | saabin | stew: thank you. Found it: add it to dpkg "tar cf - /dir/ | ncftpput -c ftp.server.com -u user -p password backup-file.tar" |
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| 18:09.45 | stew | saabin: you know ncftp can do the tarring for you |
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| 18:10.18 | stew | saabin: but i dunno if ncftpput has the same, but seems like you've got it anyway |
| 18:10.32 | martinja | The debian servers are pretty fast :) |
| 18:10.39 | martinja | 1200 kbytes, are they capped ? |
| 18:10.40 | daxiang | Rockret: there is no problem running 2.6.11.11 on sarge. just use kernel-packages |
| 18:10.46 | dbeal | how can I run aptitude to get alot of certain types of packages? something like tasks. this is from a debootstrap install. |
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| 18:11.12 | stew | dbeal: run tasksel |
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| 18:11.21 | dbeal | stew, oh ok thanks |
| 18:11.48 | Rockret | daxiang: can you give me some guidelines how to do update ? |
| 18:11.50 | daxiang | dbea: you have tasks also inside aptitude |
| 18:12.07 | paster | "carminati" at 200.216.218.3 pasted "glxinfo" (36 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/215 |
| 18:12.36 | Rockret | daxiang: can I use: aptitude install kernel |
| 18:13.33 | daxiang | Rockret: you just get the tar-ball from kernel.org, and unpack it. then copy your current /boot/config-$( uname -r ) to linux-2.6.11.11/.config , then do make oldconfig (push enter like 20 times) and adjust the settings with make menuconfig |
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| 18:13.43 | daxiang | Rockret: not if you are using sarge. |
| 18:14.17 | Rockret | daxiang: I am using sarge (debian 3.1) |
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| 18:14.40 | Rockret | let me see .. url |
| 18:14.57 | daxiang | Rockret for sarge you have to compile the kernel yourself |
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| 18:15.47 | Rockret | daxiang: and this is easy ro complex ? |
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| 18:17.00 | bld_ | Rockret: easy |
| 18:17.12 | daxiang | Rockret: not too complicated |
| 18:17.23 | Rockret | ok |
| 18:17.39 | daxiang | !kernel-package Rockret |
| 18:17.46 | Rockret | well first question: what is "tar-ball" ? |
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| 18:17.49 | Rockret | let me see |
| 18:17.56 | Rockret | !kernel-package Rockret |
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| 18:19.14 | Rockret | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: |
| 18:19.16 | Rockret | 2.6.11.12 |
| 18:19.39 | Rockret | can i apply only patch to update ? |
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| 18:20.38 | daxiang | Rockret: you would do that if you had the sources already available (which you don't have) |
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| 18:20.56 | Epod69 | i need help getting my sound to work...correctly. I am trying out kde and when i go to the control panel and go to system notification, and click on a sound to play, i dont hear anything. I dont hear any sound from any of the games either, the only time i hear a sound is when i hit backspace in Konsole when there is nothing there (a little anoying beep), anyone know what could be wrong ? |
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| 18:21.14 | xsdg | what might cause a program to drop into the T state? (other than someone running strace or using kill or something) |
| 18:21.28 | giupy | how can i remove beep of system? |
| 18:21.41 | stew | giupy: pair of wire cutters |
| 18:21.48 | saloxin | giupy: xset b off |
| 18:21.51 | xsdg | stew: heh |
| 18:21.59 | Epod69 | oh, kde also made a startup sound too...im just confused on why the sound isnt really working now...it is set to autodetect. There is no sound icon either on the panel |
| 18:22.00 | arango | Whenever I use "SSH secure shell" windows client, I can't connect to the Linux server ? Anyone knows why ? |
| 18:22.22 | giupy | saloxin, wow thanks so much |
| 18:22.46 | saloxin | giupy: put it in your startup scripts to get it every time ;-) |
| 18:22.53 | Azar | how can I make the user access and use iptraf? which group can I add the user to? |
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| 18:23.14 | giupy | ehm |
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| 18:23.17 | nvz | Epod69: what were you using before you tried KDE? |
| 18:23.24 | giupy | i have beep of system in console now.... |
| 18:23.29 | daxiang | Rockret: /privmsg dpkg kernel-package |
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| 18:23.45 | nxvl | hi |
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| 18:23.52 | Epod69 | nvz, gnome, this is a pretty much fresh install of debian, i selected kde to try it out instead of the default gnome |
| 18:23.53 | nxvl | there is a problem with gnome in sid? |
| 18:24.09 | giupy | can i remove beep of system in console? not X.... |
| 18:24.22 | stew | giupy: /msg dpkg bell |
| 18:24.22 | valdyn | !beep |
| 18:24.23 | dpkg | it has been said that beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 18:24.42 | Epod69 | nvz, i had a problem in gnome when i turned the sound on, that during playing the gnome tetris game, it would freeze and stall the computer and i could open anything else... |
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| 18:24.50 | nvz | Epod69: KDE uses the artsd or Analog RealTime Synthesizer Disk and Execution Monitor, which mixes the sounds before they are handed to the dsp |
| 18:24.58 | giupy | stew i'll try beep thanks |
| 18:25.04 | stew | giupy: no, bell |
| 18:25.15 | JeffH_ | are there known problems with the latest installer? I tried to use it and got a screen full of junk. |
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| 18:25.28 | nvz | Epod69: gnome uses ESD the Enlightened Sound Disk and Execution Monitor |
| 18:25.30 | Epod69 | nvz, can i turn it off (artsd) and still get sound |
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| 18:25.44 | Epod69 | oh.. |
| 18:25.48 | cusco | is there some utillity to find shared printers on the network? |
| 18:26.04 | nvz | Epod69: sure, but if a sound daemon is present, its using the sound card, so all apps that want to make sound, have to send their sound to the daemon and not the sound card |
| 18:26.05 | valdyn | cusco: smbtree |
| 18:26.15 | andi5 | cusco: LinNeighborhood and probably others |
| 18:26.31 | giupy | stew bell ? |
| 18:26.34 | stew | !bell |
| 18:26.35 | dpkg | [bell] "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. |
| 18:26.37 | giupy | there isn't in deb |
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| 18:27.02 | prog | nvz: lpq ? or smbclient ? |
| 18:27.09 | Epod69 | nvz, how to i know what sound type i have, oss, alsa, etc... |
| 18:27.11 | resiak | !dmix |
| 18:27.11 | dpkg | i heard dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 18:27.17 | giupy | ok all goes well now, really thanks :) |
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| 18:27.34 | yoshio_ | cusco: do you have /usr/bin/foomatic-gui ? |
| 18:27.39 | nvz | Epod69: well, try outputting lsmod into #flood |
| 18:27.55 | giupy | can i remove this msg? localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode.....i use a precompiled kernel |
| 18:27.59 | cusco | yoshio_: no |
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| 18:28.20 | arnold | how can i find out how much shared video ram i have? |
| 18:28.27 | Azar | so Woody it is still the most secure yet |
| 18:28.41 | Azar | luckily I still have the Woody install cd |
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| 18:29.03 | stew | Azar: how do you figure? |
| 18:29.03 | monteiro | anyone knows how to configure a VPN ? |
| 18:29.19 | Epod69 | nvz, i have the 2.6 kernel, and i thought that it alsa is built into it, so i wouldnt show in lsmod, would it? I dont know how check the kernel configuration because there is no folder /usr/src/linux and i dont know where the kernel is located, if i select alsa through the kde control panel it will come back with an error... |
| 18:29.28 | mrfrenzy | monteiro: have you tried google for "cpn |
| 18:29.31 | daxiang | monteiro: you mean connect as a client or build a server on you onw. |
| 18:29.37 | mrfrenzy | monteiro: have you tried google for "debian vpn tutorial" |
| 18:29.45 | nvz | Epod69: unless you built the kernel yourself and didnt make modules, both ALSA and OSS are there as modules |
| 18:29.46 | monteiro | daxiang : connect as a client |
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| 18:30.00 | monteiro | mrfrenzy : going to search about it :) tks |
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| 18:30.03 | daxiang | monteiro: what is the server |
| 18:30.09 | nxvl | there are problems with gnome on sid? |
| 18:30.13 | nxvl | i cant install it |
| 18:30.15 | daxiang | monteiro: cisco concentrator? |
| 18:30.17 | cusco | but now how do I connect to a printer |
| 18:30.20 | nxvl | i got an apt error |
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| 18:30.27 | stew | nxvl: what error? did you check the bts? |
| 18:30.32 | nvz | Epod69: the kernel configuration is in /boot/config-$(uname -r) but its not going to tell you which of the 100 sound modules or 2 sound archs you are using |
| 18:30.39 | monteiro | daxiang : it's a server from faculty |
| 18:30.48 | nvz | Epod69: now you can argue with me about the usefulness of the output, or you can just show it :p |
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| 18:31.13 | daxiang | monteiro: do you have the url online? |
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| 18:31.28 | nvz | Epod69: thats ALSA intel i810/ac97 audio driver |
| 18:31.31 | nxvl | stew: it says that depends on gnome-desktop-enviroment and gnome-office and they are not going to be installed |
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| 18:31.40 | daxiang | monteiro: i mean they must have some docs or specs or so |
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| 18:31.49 | nvz | Epod69: actually.. |
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| 18:32.22 | vox | nxvl: read the topic. check the bts. |
| 18:32.25 | EvilSporkMan | both of my optical drives won't let me enable DMA, and I'm getting slow CD burning. what can I do about this? |
| 18:32.34 | Epod69 | nvz, i posted it in #flood |
| 18:32.36 | Epod69 | nvz, can you not do make menu config to check the kernel configuration ? |
| 18:32.41 | nvz | Epod69: you've got both ALSA and OSS loaded for the i810/ac97 as well as ALSA OSS EMULATION |
| 18:32.48 | stew | nxvl: have you run apt-get update? do you have non-official debian sources? |
| 18:32.50 | monteiro | daxiang : ok |
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| 18:33.05 | Wyzard | nxvl: Yes, GNOME in sid is currently in the middle of a transition from 2.8 to 2.10, and some stuff is not installable at the moment |
| 18:33.05 | daxiang | monteiro: ok? |
| 18:33.11 | nvz | Epod69: you dont have to, the config for the running kernel is /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:33.12 | martinja | Cheers all Opoen Source folks! |
| 18:33.21 | daxiang | bye |
| 18:33.23 | nvz | Epod69: but its absolutly useless in this situation |
| 18:33.32 | nvz | Epod69: it will not tell you what lsmod tells you |
| 18:33.44 | monteiro | daxiang : i want to know how it works to teach to a person who have to put it workin in faculty |
| 18:33.48 | nxvl | stew: no, i have he oregonstate sources and yes i have run update |
| 18:33.54 | nvz | Epod69: which is that you've got 3 sound subsystems loaded, ALSA, OSS, and OSS Emulation |
| 18:33.59 | nxvl | Wyzard: so y couldn't install gnome for now |
| 18:34.01 | nvz | Epod69: its no wonder your sound doesnt work. |
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| 18:34.17 | Wyzard | nxvl: Try again in a few days when the transition is complete |
| 18:34.19 | Epod69 | nvz..what do you suggest, and how can you tell all this ? |
| 18:34.51 | daxiang | monteiro: many faculties i know use cisco concentratro (like eth zuerich, rwth aachen), for that you can use the package "vpnc" |
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| 18:34.54 | nxvl | Wyzard: thnk u |
| 18:34.56 | Epod69 | i dont see the word oss or alsa anywhere in lsmod |
| 18:35.01 | stew | nxvl: don't install the meta-pacakge try installing the packages from gnome you need, maybe specifying the 2.8 versions directly |
| 18:35.08 | daxiang | monteiro: but that depends on the "server" that's why i asked |
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| 18:35.11 | vox | stew: nah |
| 18:35.19 | vox | stew: it's in transition |
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| 18:35.38 | stew | vox: yes, i know, i'm telling him how he could get it installed today |
| 18:35.41 | Wyzard | stew: No, the problem is that there are things which depend explicitly on 2.8 versions of libraries, but the libraries have been upgraded so the 2.8 ones aren't available anymore |
| 18:35.44 | nvz | Epod69: because soundcore is OSS, snd is ALSA.. well actually I might have mistaken snd_pcm for snd_pcm_oss which was OSS emulation |
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| 18:36.00 | gtlarue | what should I type at the boot: promt during installation to make the installer install from an iso file on my hard drive? |
| 18:36.28 | nvz | Epod69: you have to decide on a driver. I use OSS myself, its been around longer and it requires no finagling to get it setup |
| 18:36.35 | ayecee | gtlarue, i don't think such magic exists. |
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| 18:36.53 | gtlarue | I want to use the net install cd to boot from, then give it a parameter to install from a different iso I have |
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| 18:37.01 | Epod69 | nvz, i thought alsa was 'the way of the future' lol |
| 18:37.07 | nvz | Epod69: I would look next at /etc/modules, make sure thats square, and if not fix it, and if its looking good, then you got some issues with discover or something |
| 18:37.17 | powerlinux | hola a to2 |
| 18:37.17 | ayecee | gtlarue, just specify it as a source when using the net install. |
| 18:37.25 | ayecee | gtlarue, has nothing to do with the boot: line |
| 18:37.31 | powerlinux | alguien m puede alludar??????''''''' |
| 18:37.33 | [Granger] | ayecee: that would be the second phase of the install |
| 18:37.35 | yoshio_ | Epod69: do you have alsa-utils installed? If so, type "locate \*.wav", then "aplay filename.wav" to see if it plays |
| 18:37.47 | Epod69 | i thought it was a good thing to have alsa with oss support, or is that not whats happening ? |
| 18:37.48 | gtlarue | well, the cd image I have is an installer for the demudi version of debian |
| 18:38.05 | gtlarue | I want to launch it without burning a cd |
| 18:38.07 | ayecee | gtlarue, how about burn the iso? problem solved, yes? |
| 18:38.10 | ayecee | :P |
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| 18:38.17 | gtlarue | not really, my laptop has a dodgy cd burner |
| 18:38.20 | [Granger] | jeez |
| 18:38.21 | nvz | Epod69: well it probably is. but all apps for the last 10 years have used /dev/dsp for sound, and have OSS ouput plugins.. there are still apps out there that wont work with ALSA, thats why they made an OSS Emulation driver, to address this problem.. but like I said, setting up alsa, and the emulation is extra work compared to just using OSS, if it supports your card just as well |
| 18:38.24 | [Granger] | so mount it as a loop device |
| 18:38.29 | [Granger] | during the second part of the install |
| 18:38.30 | gtlarue | and my crrent debian install isnt letting me burn anyway |
| 18:38.32 | [Granger] | problem solved |
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| 18:38.51 | rich0rd | greets |
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| 18:39.07 | rich0rd | is there a way to install a minimal kde (without games, without anything) |
| 18:39.19 | tarzeau | rich0rd: that's funny |
| 18:39.23 | [Granger] | rich0rd: it's called manual kde package selection |
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| 18:39.34 | [Granger] | and KDE and minimal don't go well together |
| 18:39.51 | rich0rd | as minimal as it can get |
| 18:40.00 | nvz | Epod69: you should look in /etc/modules and see if the snd* and soundcore, i810_audio, and ac97_codec are all listed there. if so you have to remove either all the alsa snd* modules, or the other 3 I mentioned, you cant have both subsystems loaded at once |
| 18:40.01 | whm | kde-core |
| 18:40.01 | rich0rd | that's the point of a minima |
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| 18:41.02 | at0m|c | rich0rd: as much as i learnt from linux over the last months, it's that KDE is the most bloated |
| 18:41.08 | rumpl | rich0rd, don't install kde, windowmaker is muh better |
| 18:41.12 | nvz | Epod69: then you have to either manually unload them all as well, or just reboot and hope it only loads one this time after you fix /etc/modules |
| 18:41.19 | whm | install kde-core |
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| 18:41.30 | Vegar | isn't there an amsn irc channel? |
| 18:41.41 | Epod69 | nvz, im installing the alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 18:41.47 | giupy | is there a way to toggle this? localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 18:41.48 | giupy | , it's impossible that cpu is overheated and every msg i recive a beep too, and my pc goes slowly |
| 18:41.55 | paulswm | !start a dm war |
| 18:41.56 | dpkg | xdm rocks! |
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| 18:42.29 | jdimz | if im trying to setup a linux server as a gateway for my network, when i set the static ip assignment do i need a gateway value? |
| 18:42.50 | sepski | jdimz, you need a gateway value only on the interface facing the internet |
| 18:42.56 | jdimz | ok great. |
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| 18:42.59 | jdimz | thanks. |
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| 18:43.20 | cusco | I still don't know how the hell can I use a shared printer on the network |
| 18:43.36 | Epod69 | nvz, this is all that is in /etc/modules: |
| 18:43.38 | Epod69 | ide-cd |
| 18:43.40 | Epod69 | ide-detect |
| 18:43.41 | Epod69 | ide-disk |
| 18:43.43 | Epod69 | psmouse |
| 18:44.13 | n00bersc0uper | cusco: RTM the cups manual |
| 18:44.25 | powerlinux | alguien me puede alludar diciendome con ke progama puedo descomprimir los archivos del amule ke no sea el file-roller ???????? |
| 18:44.42 | ApEtc | !es |
| 18:44.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:44.44 | cusco | n00bersc0uper: No manual entry for cups |
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| 18:44.52 | n00bersc0uper | cusco: google you must |
| 18:44.53 | cusco | !pt |
| 18:44.53 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:44.54 | n00bersc0uper | online it is |
| 18:45.03 | n00bersc0uper | tht was spanish |
| 18:45.05 | n00bersc0uper | not portugues |
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| 18:45.26 | cusco | [Dthat was for me |
| 18:45.28 | cusco | lol |
| 18:45.29 | n00bersc0uper | y powerlinux man tar, lealo |
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| 18:46.24 | Epod69 | nvz, how else are modules loaded besides /etc/modules |
| 18:46.32 | yoshio_ | cusco: install foomatic-gui, then run /usr/bin/foomatic-gui to discover remote printers. I had to google to connect to a windows printer server |
| 18:46.36 | Texou | Hi everybody. I've a kernel 2.6.11.10, and I've a problem with ALSA, chipset VIA, When I do arecord, I get: pcm_read:1227: read error: Input/output error. Is there a problem in the VIA driver support (kernel) or an other problem? Do you have an idea? |
| 18:46.41 | powerlinux | n00bersc0uper man tan ke es? |
| 18:46.47 | mne | Hi there ! I'm using the ubuntu xorg package which works just fine for me. Just one little problem is that Xorg uses at least 300MB memory which seems to be the case on just this host. (other hosts with the same xorg package use just 40MB) Does anyone have a suggestion what I can do to turn down the high memory usage ? |
| 18:46.56 | n00bersc0uper | powerlinux: man tar |
| 18:47.05 | tarzeau | mne: no |
| 18:47.06 | [Granger] | mne: we don't support ubuntu here |
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| 18:47.22 | n00bersc0uper | [Granger]: luder he he |
| 18:47.25 | n00bersc0uper | louder |
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| 18:47.30 | yoshio_ | Epod69: see /etc/modutils/alsa-base |
| 18:47.33 | mne | [Granger], I don't have ubunu ;) I have debian with an ubuntu package ;) |
| 18:47.33 | [Granger] | ok |
| 18:47.39 | prog | Texou, did you tried set sound up with alsaconfig ? |
| 18:47.59 | n00bersc0uper | mne: complain to who ever forced you to install the package |
| 18:47.59 | [Granger] | mne: we still don't support ubuntu packages here |
| 18:48.01 | loke | hello |
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| 18:48.04 | loke | good morning |
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| 18:48.11 | yoshio_ | Epod69: and /etc/modutils/sound |
| 18:48.11 | Epod69 | yoshio, ok...its a large confusing file |
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| 18:48.14 | gtlarue | How does one boot to an iso image without burning the CD? |
| 18:48.22 | mne | well, than thanks anyway ... |
| 18:48.24 | Texou | prog, no I didn't know alsaconfig. I'm going to try now |
| 18:48.26 | Wyzard | gtlarue: You can't |
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| 18:48.29 | Epod69 | there is no /etc/modutils/sound |
| 18:48.33 | loke | gtlarue you dont |
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| 18:48.38 | daxiang | glatrue: you don't |
| 18:48.42 | loke | gtlarue or a floppy |
| 18:48.43 | gtlarue | but ive done it in fedora before |
| 18:48.48 | Texou | prog, what's alsaconfig? A command or a config file? |
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| 18:48.53 | prog | Texou, i misspelled ... alsaconf |
| 18:48.58 | Wyzard | gtlarue: "in" Fedora? |
| 18:49.04 | prog | Texou, sorry |
| 18:49.04 | gtlarue | could I boot with a floppy and make that load a CD? |
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| 18:49.06 | Texou | ok, I try |
| 18:49.12 | Wyzard | gtlarue: If Fedora was running, you'd already finished booting |
| 18:49.17 | prog | gtlarue, no |
| 18:49.24 | ales | hello, is there usb related channel ? |
| 18:49.25 | loke | gtlarue you can boot with a floppy and point it to http or ftp |
| 18:49.26 | nse | [Granger], n00bersc0uper: and now what, this is mind blocking, just becouse something comes with a name labeled |
| 18:49.29 | powerlinux | n00bersc0uper man tar ke es un progama? |
| 18:49.40 | gtlarue | well, I had the iso on my HD, I used a bootable cd to point to the installer iso on the HD, and it ran |
| 18:49.40 | yoshio_ | Epod69: in /etc/modutils/sound I have: options snd device_mode=0660 |
| 18:49.41 | yoshio_ | alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 |
| 18:49.41 | yoshio_ | alias sound-slot-0 snd-intel8x0 |
| 18:49.53 | gtlarue | the problem is I cant burn cd;s that dont have errors in them |
| 18:49.56 | Wyzard | gtlarue: The Debian installer supports booting from a usb-storage device which contains an installer iso, and then loop-mounting the iso to access the files within it, but it's not the iso itself that's being booted from |
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| 18:50.00 | yoshio_ | Epod69: i have an Intel 830 chipset |
| 18:50.01 | gtlarue | cuz my cd burner is crummy |
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| 18:50.09 | Wyzard | gtlarue: What is it that you're trying to do? |
| 18:50.13 | loke | gtlarue so make a boot floppy |
| 18:50.25 | nvz | Epod69: by discover |
| 18:50.28 | Scrape | stupid question, really, but... it's okay to have two users w/ the same uid, right? |
| 18:50.31 | gtlarue | im trying to re-install, from an iso file on the hard disk |
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| 18:50.35 | Epod69 | yoshio, i have that in /etc/modutils/alsa-base |
| 18:50.40 | daxiang | Scrape: yup |
| 18:50.43 | nvz | Epod69: is your /etc/modules nearly empty? |
| 18:50.52 | Epod69 | nvz, yep |
| 18:50.53 | ales | problem: usb-storage: Bad target number, please send me to the right place. |
| 18:51.02 | daxiang | Scrape: some have a second root-account with a static shell |
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| 18:51.03 | Wyzard | gtlarue: You cannot boot from an iso that's not on a CD. |
| 18:51.09 | prog | Scrape, it no problem, but its weird |
| 18:51.28 | Scrape | daxiang: yeah, I want to make a root account ("rsnapshot-root") with scponly as the shell for doing backups via rsnapshot |
| 18:51.31 | Wyzard | gtlarue: You could boot the Debian usb-storage installer, and then point it at the iso on the hard drive when it goes looking for an iso to mount |
| 18:51.34 | nvz | Epod69: /etc/init.d/modutils is the script that loads modules at boot, but discover or hotplug could as well |
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| 18:51.51 | yoshio_ | Epod69: use aplay to play a .wav file, does it work? |
| 18:51.55 | Texou | prog, Well, alsaconf wrote to finish the configuration: "Setting up ALSA...done." So sound is up. |
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| 18:52.01 | Wyzard | gtlarue: Of course, if the partition containing the iso is one that you want to format during the installation, that won't work and you must burn the CD |
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| 18:52.04 | gtlarue | could I boot the debian installer from another cd and point it to the iso that way? |
| 18:52.09 | nvz | yoshio_: he's got ALSA and OSS modules installed |
| 18:52.14 | Wyzard | gtlarue: See what I just said about the usb-storage installer |
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| 18:52.20 | Wyzard | gtlarue: Why not just burn the iso to a CD though? |
| 18:52.32 | gtlarue | because the burner isnt working |
| 18:52.35 | nvz | yoshio_: appears to be a discover problem |
| 18:52.43 | prog | Texou, ok ... lets try to play some sample |
| 18:52.45 | yoshio_ | nvz: i have alsa and oss emulation on kernel 2.4.27, it loads both fine |
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| 18:52.55 | nvz | yoshio_: not OSS emulation |
| 18:53.09 | gtlarue | and when it does work, it burns corrupted cds that I cant install from |
| 18:53.11 | yoshio_ | nvz: oh |
| 18:53.32 | nvz | yoshio_: straight OSS, soundcore, i810_audio, ac97_codec, and also snd, snd_i810_audio, snd_ac97_codec |
| 18:53.34 | Epod69 | why is everything freezing on me! |
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| 18:53.42 | gtlarue | I have a debian net install cd that I can boot from that a friend made for me |
| 18:53.46 | ayecee | Epod69, bad karma |
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| 18:53.52 | nvz | Epod69: cause you got two sound archs installed |
| 18:53.56 | prog | Texou, you should always apparently enable the sound channels - alsamixer do the trick |
| 18:53.59 | Wyzard | gtlarue: You can just use the netinst to install, then... you don't even need the iso on the hard drive |
| 18:54.00 | gtlarue | I can boot from that, I was hoping I could use that cd to load my iso file |
| 18:54.09 | Wyzard | gtlarue: (assuming you have an Internet connection available while installing, that is) |
| 18:54.18 | Epod69 | nvz, like i had the option of picking one!! i was never asked |
| 18:54.18 | dubian | somebody knows how I can open a subtitle file in totem?? |
| 18:54.27 | yoshio_ | ales: run /usr/bin/lsusb or /usr/bin/lsusb -v maybe? |
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| 18:54.35 | gtlarue | well, the iso I am trying to install is a variant of the stuff that comes from the net install |
| 18:54.36 | nvz | Epod69: neither appear in /etc/modules? |
| 18:54.41 | Epod69 | good thing i have the kde skull in handy... |
| 18:54.50 | Texou | prog, well, aplay file.wav works normally and displays: Playing WAVE 'joel.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono |
| 18:54.56 | Epod69 | nvz, no, didnt you read my /etc/modules post ? |
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| 18:55.15 | loke | http://video.bmj.net/bellydrop.wmv |
| 18:55.18 | nvz | Epod69: nope I was in the kitchen sucking down dreamcicles |
| 18:55.37 | yoshio_ | Epod69: in /etc/discover.conf, you can put "skip i810-tco" to blacklist a module |
| 18:55.43 | prog | texou, have you heard sound ? |
| 18:55.44 | Wyzard | gtlarue: It's not a standard Debian release CD? |
| 18:55.47 | nvz | Epod69: where did you post it? |
| 18:56.00 | gtlarue | It is a demudi install cd |
| 18:56.07 | Wyzard | gtlarue: ah, ok |
| 18:56.11 | gtlarue | the music production version of debian |
| 18:56.15 | Epod69 | ide-cd |
| 18:56.17 | Epod69 | ide-detect |
| 18:56.19 | Epod69 | ide-disk |
| 18:56.20 | Epod69 | psmouse |
| 18:56.22 | Epod69 | thats it |
| 18:56.26 | gtlarue | I want to install that without burning a cd |
| 18:56.30 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 18:56.39 | nvz | gtlarue: debian is the music production version of debian, demudi is not any version of debian. |
| 18:56.41 | Texou | Yes I have. Maybe an peace of information which is important: my syslog displays at the starting: via82xx: Assuming DXS channels with 48k fixed sample rate. Please try dxs_support=1 or dxs_support=4 option |
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| 18:56.57 | [Granger] | gtlarue: look |
| 18:57.10 | [Granger] | you're obviously not skilled enough to bootstrap without a cd |
| 18:57.13 | Wyzard | gtlarue: Well, it should be possible (in the technical sense) to get the netinst CD to load and use files from another filesystem, but afaik it's not officially supported and probably not very straightforward |
| 18:57.16 | [Granger] | so just suck it up and burn an iso already |
| 18:57.21 | nvz | rosegarden, cheestracker, terminatorx, audacity..etc thats all in debian |
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| 18:57.36 | [Granger] | I don't think someone in here's going to go through the process of Debian from Scratch with you |
| 18:58.12 | Epod69 | thats what gentoo is for.... |
| 18:58.14 | nvz | Epod69: well you need to check to see if discover is installed, then you will probably have to blacklist modules from discover |
| 18:58.27 | Texou | prog, Yes I have. Maybe an peace of information which is important: my syslog displays at the starting: via82xx: Assuming DXS channels with 48k fixed sample rate. Please try dxs_support=1 or dxs_support=4 option |
| 18:58.39 | prog | guys, have you know, that flat-iron is generating waves on the same frequency as monitors (approximately 60Hz) ? :-) My wife is ironing a next root beside and my monitor is vibrating. ;-) |
| 18:58.47 | Epod69 | nvz, discover? what is that ? |
| 18:58.54 | gtlarue | I am just too used to red hat I guess, I was able to tell that installer to use data from an iso image easily, I was hoping something similar to that would exist for the debian installer |
| 18:59.01 | Wyzard | gtlarue: The most straightforward way is probably a debootstrap install |
| 18:59.23 | Wyzard | gtlarue: But do try booting the netinst CD and see if it asks you where you want to get packages from |
| 18:59.32 | Wyzard | gtlarue: (Might be a good idea to boot it in "expert" mode) |
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| 18:59.49 | Wyzard | gtlarue: If it does, "filesystem" should be an option, so you can just loop-mount the iso and use it |
| 18:59.51 | nvz | Epod69: its a royal pain in the ass. when you boot it scans your bus and attempts to cross ref vendor/product codes with a driver database and load the right drivers automagically opposed to the traditional modutils script method that is done manually. |
| 19:00.07 | nvz | Epod69: in your case, it appears its loading more than one driver for the same piece of hardware |
| 19:00.19 | steve_ | hey- whats the grub config file? |
| 19:00.24 | nvz | ow fuck |
| 19:00.29 | nvz | just fell |
| 19:00.32 | nvz | out of my chair |
| 19:00.40 | resiak | !pal nvz |
| 19:00.41 | loke | nvz hahha |
| 19:00.42 | prog | steve_, /boot/grub/menu.1st |
| 19:00.46 | gtlarue | hmmm |
| 19:00.48 | Texou | but what's this: "pcm_read:1227"? I don't understand anything |
| 19:00.51 | steve_ | thnx |
| 19:00.55 | Epod69 | nvz, if discover is so good and magical then why isnt it used by default |
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| 19:01.05 | daxiang | prog: is that true ;) |
| 19:01.06 | nvz | the part that hurt was when I landed on the ground I hit my damn ankel on the wheels of the chair |
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| 19:01.35 | prog | daxiang, isnt it true ? |
| 19:01.43 | monteiro | in debian "sarge" when i execute k3b my mouse stops, i've dma enabled, what could that be ? |
| 19:01.52 | daxiang | prog: i mean that with your wife ironing |
| 19:01.57 | nvz | Epod69: it is used by default, and its not good or magical. its a piece of shit if you ask me. I dont use it. /etc/init.d/modutils loads my drivers from /etc/modules and it never loads the wrong ones |
| 19:01.58 | Wyzard | gtlarue: I haven't actually installed Debian from CD in quite awhile (I use a sid system installed five years ago) so I don't know for sure whether it lets you choose a location to get packages from, but I'm pretty sure it did in the past, so it should still |
| 19:02.21 | prog | daxiang, hehe, yes, she is very good wife :-) |
| 19:02.44 | nvz | Epod69: your problem is that discover sees an i810 audio device on the pci bus and its loading multiple drivers for the same piece of hardware. |
| 19:02.58 | dbeal | I think I'm done with Fedora..debootstrap'ed sarge into its gums. |
| 19:03.04 | nvz | Epod69: you need to choose one, and blacklist the other one in the discover config, so that it will not attempt to load it anymore |
| 19:03.10 | dbeal | What a headache that was. |
| 19:03.53 | nvz | Epod69: you see.. this is why discover sucks big ____ because where you would normally just put a driver name in /etc/modules or run modconf and pick one, this dumb ass software loads the wrong shit, then you have to tell it NOT to load it |
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| 19:04.08 | gtlarue | where would I look to figure out how to specify a location to get the packages from |
| 19:04.28 | Wyzard | gtlarue: Boot in expert mode, and if it's available, it should be an option in the menu |
| 19:04.29 | prog | gtlarue, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:04.29 | dbeal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:04.36 | Epod69 | nvz, where is the discover conf file |
| 19:04.36 | daxiang | gtlarue: you mean sources.list |
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| 19:04.57 | dbeal | -:- BitchX: Unknown command: ETC/APT/SOURCES.LIST |
| 19:05.00 | Wyzard | nvz: I've never had any problems with discover on any of my systems... it may have issues with a few particular hardware configurations, but I don't think that means it "sucks big" |
| 19:05.03 | gtlarue | ok, thanks |
| 19:05.07 | yoshio_ | gtlarue: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:05.07 | yoshio_ | gtlarue: or run apt-setup |
| 19:05.22 | dbeal | apt-setup, also look into apt-spy? |
| 19:05.30 | Wyzard | yoshio_: He's talking about how debian-installer finds packages, now how an installed system operates |
| 19:05.55 | yoshio_ | Epod69: /etc/discover.* |
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| 19:06.11 | Azar | how can I get iptraf running in usermode? |
| 19:06.28 | masoft | which packages I need to install a CVS Server ? |
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| 19:06.42 | Wyzard | masoft: Don't use CVS, use subversion or darcs or something :-) |
| 19:06.48 | prog | masoft, just cvs |
| 19:07.02 | resiak | nvz: And you expect someone who's starting out with Debian to know how to echo foo >> /etc/modules ? :) |
| 19:07.06 | prog | masoft, and use some good wrapper to secure it |
| 19:07.07 | masoft | prog, thx |
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| 19:07.11 | Epod69 | theres a discover.conf.d and a discover.d. discover.conf.d has a file called 10alsa and discover.d contains alsa-base and a empty folder 2.6 |
| 19:07.11 | Azar | is it normal to stay in root 24/7 only to use iptraf? |
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| 19:07.40 | jasoncohen | nvz, what hardware device did you have problems with? |
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| 19:07.47 | nvz | Epod69: I would never use discover so I have no idea, but since I read the FHS yesturday I know enough to say its in /etc, and its probably called discover.conf (: |
| 19:07.49 | prog | Azar, you should thing about sudo |
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| 19:08.04 | Azar | thanks prog |
| 19:08.05 | nvz | jasoncohen: I don't have problems, I use modutils, not discover :P |
| 19:08.05 | bisquit | Errm, can You "apt-get install mozilla-firefox"? To me it says no such package, and www.debian.org/packages clearly states there is a such package. Imma confused! |
| 19:08.33 | nvz | resiak: its no harder than echo "skip foo" >> /etc/discover.conf |
| 19:08.36 | resiak | bisquit: /j #flood, and paste your sources.list |
| 19:08.42 | resiak | nvz: Sure, but discover works _most_ of the time. |
| 19:08.55 | Epod69 | ah, i c, you can write skip at the end |
| 19:09.12 | nvz | resiak: well you see the only time I ever hear about it is when it doesnt, and thats reason enough to make me not like it or want to use it |
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| 19:09.25 | resiak | nvz: WFM :) |
| 19:09.32 | nvz | !WFM |
| 19:09.32 | dpkg | well, wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
| 19:09.33 | Epod69 | but since i installed alsa-base it seems to have been configured with discover so i am going to do a reboot and see if it still loads oss stuff, brb |
| 19:09.38 | da4n1 | i just installed apt-get kde , x-window-system but when i try to login i just get back to loginscreen, but i can ssh with that user!?! |
| 19:09.40 | Azar | why sudo is giving : command not found? |
| 19:09.42 | roel-_ | !rrdtool |
| 19:09.42 | dpkg | [rrdtool] not as good as mrtg :) |
| 19:09.59 | resiak | !installit |
| 19:09.59 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 19:10.01 | resiak | Azar: ^^ |
| 19:10.04 | prog | Azar, a lot of processes run as root, but iptraf is probably one of them, which should be run in terminal mode. But terminals are generaly considered unsecure. ;-) |
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| 19:11.00 | Azar | prog, I hardly use X and yes iptraf only runs in root so its kinda baffling me |
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| 19:11.26 | Rockret | Yoshio_: hi ! Can you give me some guidelines to make my soundboard works ? I have SB0410 (24 bit 7.1) and it is hard to make works. Nowadays I am using onboard sound, but it so so quality . |
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| 19:11.47 | resiak | prog: Erm, terminals are insecure? *boggle* |
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| 19:12.38 | yoshio_ | Rockret: I had to google, and had a very hard time getting my onboard sound to work. I'm using an intel i830 |
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| 19:12.46 | jair | hello guys I am trying to play some videos on my dvd player, I am trying to pen them using xine, noatun and kabooddle, but I only can see the video but the sound do not work, I get a message on xine about codec??? |
| 19:13.01 | jair | this videos are quicktime extension .mov |
| 19:13.02 | resiak | !tell jair -about marillat |
| 19:13.08 | resiak | jair: Burn them, right now. |
| 19:13.14 | jair | hahahha |
| 19:13.21 | resiak | !tell jair -about w32codecs |
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| 19:13.41 | kooldeb | hi all, does anyone what is the command used to zoom under mplayer ?? |
| 19:13.50 | resiak | kooldeb: #mplayer and the manual probably do |
| 19:13.55 | jair | resiak, nice I knew that mplayer will play them |
| 19:13.57 | Rockret | !tell Rockret -about w32codecs |
| 19:13.59 | scarynetworkguy | !w32codecs |
| 19:13.59 | dpkg | from memory, w32codecs is codecs to run numerous codecs used on win32 systems. see <marillat> for information |
| 19:13.59 | yoshio_ | Rockret: under kernel 2.4.27, get alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686, let discover handle modules |
| 19:14.06 | resiak | jair: install w32codecs, and then it will work. |
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| 19:14.14 | prog | resiak, I agree that my assertion was not definetly correct. I thought, that Azar will use iptraf as a monitoring tool somewhere outside the box (cause he said "24/7" ). |
| 19:14.14 | jair | resiak, but did not know how to find it using apt-cahce?? |
| 19:14.22 | jair | they do not appear? |
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| 19:14.29 | resiak | jair: Hence why I told you about marillat? |
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| 19:14.38 | Rockret | Yoshio_: I have debian sarge, kernel 2.6.8 |
| 19:14.38 | jair | resiak, but I should go to the site you gave me right? |
| 19:14.48 | dave | I'm seeing three printers in Mozilla Firefox listed, but only the third one works. Does anyone know how to remove the top two? (or set the third one as default) |
| 19:14.53 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: jair Of course there is not any support for new quicktime stuff in those either. |
| 19:14.57 | jair | resiak, thank you very much |
| 19:15.07 | jair | hmmm |
| 19:15.13 | jair | but this are old videos |
| 19:15.23 | jair | I play them before with mplayer using FC3 |
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| 19:15.32 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: The Sorensen stuff, right? Hmm, I've never seen one of those :) |
| 19:15.35 | jair | but as you see I do not use FC any more |
| 19:15.35 | resiak | jair: Then you'll be fine. |
| 19:15.47 | jair | I am a debian guy now |
| 19:15.52 | tarzeau | jharrison, abrotman, paulswm: join now? |
| 19:15.56 | jair | and for the rest of my life |
| 19:15.59 | daxiang | dave: xprint? |
| 19:16.01 | prog | dave, the fastest way is rm -rf ~/.mozilla/ ;-) but without joking - are you using cups as printers management ? |
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| 19:16.16 | beeblebrox87 | jair: little early to claim that, unless you're currently dying |
| 19:16.16 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Yeah. The best way to get support for those is to steal the codecs off of a Windows box with a new Quicktime installed. |
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| 19:16.28 | kooldeb | ok, when I try to do apt-get update I am getting the following: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 19:16.30 | dave | prog: I'm using cups, but I think other stuff is configured too. |
| 19:16.35 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Hmm, I wonder why they're not packaged, given that w32codecs is illegal as it is :) |
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| 19:16.38 | Rockret | can i have two sound board in my system ? |
| 19:16.39 | yoshio_ | Rockret: I also run 2.6.8 or 2.6.10 sometimes, it just works |
| 19:16.39 | dave | prog: and rm -rf ~/.mozilla would be undesirable ;) |
| 19:16.40 | resiak | kooldeb: Because testing doesn't get security updates? |
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| 19:16.51 | jair | beeblebrox87, I belive in feith, I belive in debian |
| 19:16.51 | Epod69 | nvz, can you check out #flood to see if i still have oss |
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| 19:16.58 | jair | ;) |
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| 19:17.07 | dave | prog: the CUPS test page works fine... I'm not sure if xprint is configured. |
| 19:17.11 | Rockret | Yoshio_: ok, What i need to do ? |
| 19:17.22 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: I'd guess that everybody who really cares just did the same thing I did. And they just CBA to package them. |
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| 19:17.31 | beeblebrox87 | jair: certain, unwavering belief is a sure sign that you're missing something |
| 19:17.38 | scarynetworkguy | I mean it is pretty much the obvious thing to do. |
| 19:17.39 | andi5 | its probably faq, but i it just came to my mind and google is so far away ;) is there already a new name for sid? because sid always bad, is not he? |
| 19:17.40 | prog | dave, what printers are there mentiones ? all are cups`s printers ? |
| 19:17.48 | beeblebrox87 | what is the progress of the debian first class citizen architecture/second class citizen architecture mirror split? |
| 19:17.56 | yoshio_ | Rockret: i had some trouble because I had esd running (enlightened sound daemon), I'm running 2.4.27 right now |
| 19:18.01 | Wyzard | andi5: unstable is always called "sid" |
| 19:18.12 | Wyzard | andi5: If you meant testing, it's now called "etch" |
| 19:18.14 | nvz | Epod69: you dont have any sound anymore :P |
| 19:18.18 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Figures. I don't care that much, to be honest. If anyone sends me things I can't play, I'll just send them some Ogg Theoras right back :) |
| 19:18.18 | andi5 | Wyzard: ah thanks :D |
| 19:18.25 | Epod69 | nvz, what? |
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| 19:18.46 | Azar | a traffic audit nowadays is so useless since most connections are performed by bots , so yes you can see them but can't do nothing to prevent them |
| 19:18.47 | dave | prog: They're both like xp_ps_spooldir_HOME_Xprintjobs@:64 |
| 19:18.47 | alvanson | any idea what testing will be called when etch releases (in 2008 or whenever)? |
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| 19:18.55 | beeblebrox87 | as discussed in the vancouver meeting message on d-devel-announce |
| 19:18.55 | dave | prog: The third looks like the CUPS printer. |
| 19:18.59 | jair | beeblebrox87, hmm?? be more detailist please? |
| 19:19.08 | dave | prog: and there's only one printer configured in CUPS--it works great. |
| 19:19.11 | jair | beeblebrox87, I want to understand what you mean? |
| 19:19.21 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Hehe. Yeah. It was the RotS and KoH trailers that made me want it. |
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| 19:19.31 | Epod69 | nvz, i can hear sound... |
| 19:19.35 | nvz | I was in the kitchen again, but I wasnt sucking down dreamcicles this time.. I was watching this girl walk up the hill, and wondering how she is so beautiful, when everyone in her family is ugly as hell even her twin sister |
| 19:19.39 | beeblebrox87 | jair: about what? |
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| 19:19.44 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Mostly cause the guy I know who warez the TV ads and stuff is a Mac wheenie. |
| 19:19.48 | prog | dave, and your claim is to delete all non-cups ones ? |
| 19:19.50 | daxiang | dave: that's xprint, those printers you don't know |
| 19:19.57 | nvz | some kind of strange genetic mutation |
| 19:20.04 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Stab him in the face? :) |
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| 19:20.27 | yoshio_ | nvz: I also have a /etc/hotplug/blacklist , but no sound stuff in it |
| 19:20.32 | nvz | If she was a year or two older, I would go for a swim in her gene pool :P |
| 19:20.35 | kyle_ | how do I make apt-get use a .bin file? |
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| 19:20.44 | resiak | kyle_: You don't. |
| 19:20.52 | dave | prog: apparently... so I can just remove xprint, or do I need it? |
| 19:20.56 | resiak | kyle_: You're installing XFce 4.2, aren't you? |
| 19:21.00 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: He is far to useful. IMO it's a tradeoff worth making. |
| 19:21.06 | kyle_ | resiak, ive installed xfce4.2 with apt-get before cuz after i had done something elese with the .bin -- yes i am |
| 19:21.08 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: :) |
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| 19:21.18 | resiak | kyle_: there are Debian packages for it. |
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| 19:21.24 | nvz | yoshio_: whats that got to do with hot underage chics ? :P |
| 19:21.43 | resiak | kyle_: http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 19:22.00 | yoshio_ | Rockret: easiest thing to do is to google |
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| 19:22.23 | prog | dave, it could (with the highest probability) resolve this problem |
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| 19:22.35 | jair | beeblebrox87, about what you are saying that I am early to say that i will stay with debian |
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| 19:22.46 | dave | prog: Aye... but are there programs that only know how to talk to xprint and not to CUPS? |
| 19:22.57 | prog | dave, but I must admit, that I have never used xprt |
| 19:23.01 | dave | ~xprint |
| 19:23.02 | apt | XPrint allow to print ASCII document very quickly and simply in a local printer. URL: http://slug.voyanet.org/C/xprint/index.htm |
| 19:23.10 | dave | sorry. Meant to send that in a tell. |
| 19:23.20 | beeblebrox87 | jair: what if debian never has another release? |
| 19:23.22 | Epod69 | i guess all i had to do was install alsa-base cause everything seems to be working fine now |
| 19:23.38 | loke | Epod69 nice |
| 19:23.39 | prog | dave, as apt said :-) |
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| 19:24.12 | Epod69 | how come when ever i get a messege, (someone says my name) the computer beeps instead of the speakers making a sound ? |
| 19:24.12 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: And the other day I spent a good 40 minutes in his cube playing Loderunner on his Mac Classic. Far too much fun. |
| 19:24.12 | beeblebrox87 | jair: what if debian decides to stop support all non-hurd systems, or something |
| 19:24.18 | beeblebrox87 | jair: you never know |
| 19:24.25 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Whee. |
| 19:24.29 | alvanson | hurd, eh? |
| 19:24.39 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Heh. |
| 19:24.57 | Rockret | Yoshio_: ok. |
| 19:25.12 | dave | prog: Okay. I'll do some research on xprint and see if I can remove it. Thanks for your help. |
| 19:25.21 | jair | beeblebrox87, that is what i told you faith |
| 19:25.22 | Rockret | !tell Rockret -about marillat |
| 19:25.31 | beeblebrox87 | jair: it's just an organization. its policies and leaders change. you should think for yourself about policies, rather than being irrationally loyal to an organization. |
| 19:25.31 | resiak | !tell Rockret -about msgdpkg |
| 19:25.38 | beeblebrox87 | jair: faith is bad. |
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| 19:25.53 | jair | beeblebrox87, interesting |
| 19:25.58 | kyle_ | resiak, can you also point me to a list of sources for sources.list please / |
| 19:26.14 | resiak | kyle_: By sources do you mean mirrors? |
| 19:26.19 | kyle_ | resiak, yes |
| 19:26.19 | beeblebrox87 | jair: anyway this is quite offtopic |
| 19:26.24 | resiak | kyle_: man apt-setup |
| 19:26.31 | beeblebrox87 | can anybody tell me the status of the scc.debian.org mirror split? |
| 19:26.42 | scarynetworkguy | !geezersmite beeblebrox87 |
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| 19:26.57 | prog | dave, no problem, get back after finishing your studies on xprint. ;-) we can have a talk about cups, I have already configured it. |
| 19:27.00 | jair | resiak, I should get the 386 586 or 686 I have --> Linux indiana 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:27.16 | resiak | jair: What processor is in your box? |
| 19:27.22 | beeblebrox87 | scarynetworkguy: what was that for? |
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| 19:27.36 | jair | resiak, I have a amd 25000 |
| 19:27.45 | nvz | but dpkg, you're attached to the lab in more ways than one |
| 19:28.00 | scarynetworkguy | beeblebrox87: Just because and it's my second favorite smite. |
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| 19:28.06 | yoshio_ | bisquit2: you're not using woody are you? it released with mozilla 1.0, it doesn't have mozilla-firefox |
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| 19:28.18 | jair | resiak, athlon xp 2500+ |
| 19:28.25 | bisquit2 | Oh, duh. |
| 19:28.31 | resiak | jair: You should get the -k7 version. You should also apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 19:28.43 | jair | hmmm |
| 19:28.56 | beeblebrox87 | what is the status of the proposal in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 19:28.56 | jair | resiak, this image is working perfect for me so far? |
| 19:29.04 | Rockret | does anyone knows where is the file with last commands in shell Konsole ? |
| 19:29.09 | resiak | jair: A -k7 one would be faster? |
| 19:29.11 | bisquit2 | Well thanks yoshio_ for the help anyhow. :P |
| 19:29.21 | resiak | jair: Must you end every sentence with a ? even when it's not a question? |
| 19:29.29 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite resiak |
| 19:29.29 | jair | resiak, I can still keeping the other kernel image correct? |
| 19:29.33 | resiak | jair: Yes. |
| 19:29.36 | jair | I mean in the menu grub? |
| 19:29.39 | resiak | jair: Yes. |
| 19:29.43 | jair | resiak, just in case |
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| 19:29.45 | resiak | !fruitsmite scarynetworkguy |
| 19:29.45 | yoshio_ | bisquit2: check out bisquit2: check out backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 19:29.47 | resiak | jair: Yes. |
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| 19:29.51 | resiak | !tell jair -about enter |
| 19:29.53 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: I think it was a qustion. :P |
| 19:29.56 | jair | nice ok I will try that then |
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| 19:30.03 | bisquit2 | Will do. |
| 19:30.17 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: "this image is working perfect for me so far" doesn't parse as a question ;-) |
| 19:30.17 | jair | resiak, ok I know sorry about press enter to many times |
| 19:30.35 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: My point exactly. :) |
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| 19:30.42 | resiak | jair: Sure, no worries. I'm just pointing it out because it's easier to help people if they don't do that. :) |
| 19:31.15 | nvz | I think I am gonna go do a field study, ask these girls if they like chicken... I bet the pretty one says yes, and the ugly one is a vegetarian |
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| 19:31.44 | jair | resiak, you helped me a lot my friend thank you very much for it, so if a person have a AMD processor from 2100 to 2800 it suppouse to use the kernel k-7? |
| 19:31.45 | yoshio_ | Rockret: .bash_history or do you mean the scrollback in konsole? |
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| 19:31.53 | vallejoDAcrest | hey- in the kernel- should i enable framebuffer support? |
| 19:31.55 | resiak | !k7 |
| 19:31.55 | dpkg | it has been said that k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 19:31.58 | resiak | jair: ^^ |
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| 19:32.11 | Gskillet | has anyone here configured kismet before? |
| 19:32.16 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 19:32.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:32.21 | jair | resiak, and the centrino processors o other intels should use just a regular kernel image, 386 |
| 19:32.21 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Well Tony Bourdain has taught us that all vegetarians are ugly, evil, and smell bad. |
| 19:32.26 | resiak | jair: No, they should use -686 |
| 19:32.28 | resiak | !686 |
| 19:32.28 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M. not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
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| 19:32.52 | viper2k | alright I have a debian iptables router .. behind that I`ve set up a windows xp vpn server... somehow the routing goes wrong .. cuz from inside the lan I can log on .. but outside it it says the server doesn`t respond while checking username and password... I`ve forwarded port 1723 .. |
| 19:33.04 | jair | resiak, 686 for Centrino processor? because my laptop have the centrino intel processor |
| 19:33.16 | vallejoDAcrest | hey- in the kernel- should i enable framebuffer support? |
| 19:33.18 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: well ever since I started getting old, the girls just keep getting prettier, and I asked a random guy dahn tahn one day, "say, how come the young girls are so much prettier now" and he said "its in the chicken" |
| 19:33.18 | viper2k | could it be the prob that I`ve tried to make a vpn server on the debian box too ?? that they are now like crossing ? |
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| 19:33.34 | vallejoDAcrest | jair: there is no "centrino" processor |
| 19:33.39 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Heh. Nice. |
| 19:33.43 | vallejoDAcrest | jair: it's a pentium M |
| 19:33.53 | vallejoDAcrest | jair: which is acutally a pentium 3 |
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| 19:34.13 | resiak | vallejoDAcrest: But better. |
| 19:34.23 | vallejoDAcrest | jair: centrino is just a spec meaning it has pentium M, the intel wifi, and the intel mobo |
| 19:34.28 | scarynetworkguy | viper2k: Odds are you don't have NAT traversal working properly on the Windows box. |
| 19:34.42 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: I was just saying to my brother, about this girl that lives in our old house with like 3 generations of her family.. heh she's gorgeous, and everyone in her family including her twin sister is homely looking or outright butt ugly |
| 19:34.45 | jair | vallejoDAcrest, so then what kernel image i should use for my laptop? |
| 19:34.49 | resiak | !686 =~ s/Pentium M/Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand)/ |
| 19:34.49 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 19:34.56 | viper2k | scarynetworkguy what is that ?? and how can I solve it .. or could I read how to solve it ? |
| 19:35.08 | vallejoDAcrest | resiak: i read this thing about these guys who took the latest pentium m out of a notebook and ran it on a desktop and it was faster than the fastest pentium 4 |
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| 19:35.22 | resiak | vallejoDAcrest: I read this thing that said that Elvis was alive. |
| 19:35.28 | resiak | vallejoDAcrest: Oh, and by the way, that article's right. |
| 19:35.29 | vallejoDAcrest | jair: i also have a centrino :-), use 686 |
| 19:35.30 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Hehe. I like the chicken theory myself. :) |
| 19:35.40 | vallejoDAcrest | use the same for a pentium 3 |
| 19:35.57 | scarynetworkguy | viper2k: Odds are you can't and no I'm *not* going to teach you VPN for anything less than consultant money. |
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| 19:36.12 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: yeah. I think she would be a good case study to proove or disprove the theory |
| 19:36.13 | scarynetworkguy | viper2k: And you can't afford what I consider consultant money to work on Windows. |
| 19:36.21 | vallejoDAcrest | hey- should i enable frame buffer devices in my kernel? |
| 19:36.31 | bigbill52a | i was trying to remember how to start up in runlevel 3 rather than 5 |
| 19:36.35 | resiak | vallejoDAcrest: If you want to use the framebuffer, then yes. Otherwise, no. Why are you compiling your own kernel. |
| 19:36.38 | resiak | !nodm |
| 19:36.38 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 19:36.46 | resiak | bigbill52a: ^^ |
| 19:36.54 | resiak | bigbill52a: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:37.03 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Yes it would. You'll have to keep me informed. |
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| 19:37.09 | vallejoDAcrest | resiak: i'm trying to get my ornico atheros chipset wifi a/b/g to work |
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| 19:37.21 | vallejoDAcrest | and i gotta use a kernel module or something |
| 19:37.23 | viper2k | scarynetworkguy hmm isn`t it possible to make a simple win xp vpn behind a router then ?? or do you really need the expensive software ? |
| 19:37.29 | resiak | vallejoDAcrest: So use module-assistant |
| 19:37.35 | resiak | vallejoDAcrest: Don't build an entire new kernel, ffs. |
| 19:37.50 | vallejoDAcrest | what is that? |
| 19:37.52 | yoshio_ | bigbill52a: see /etc/inittab |
| 19:37.58 | ayecee | viper2k, vpn server pretty much has to be at the border, not behind the nat. |
| 19:38.05 | resiak | !tell vallejoDAcrest -about madwifi-install |
| 19:38.08 | scarynetworkguy | viper2k: The software isn't expensive but I bloody well am. If you don't grok what I just told you start googling and reading. |
| 19:38.11 | vallejoDAcrest | can i aptget that? |
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| 19:38.48 | viper2k | ayecee is it simple to make one at my debian box then ?? it`s the router box .. I tried it before with some howto`s but I failed :( thats why I tried it like this |
| 19:38.55 | bigbill52a | just want to startx manually... |
| 19:39.00 | vallejoDAcrest | thanks resiak |
| 19:39.02 | resiak | bigbill52a: So remove the dm? |
| 19:39.05 | bigbill52a | i like to start in text mode |
| 19:39.11 | ayecee | viper2k, simple? no. it's possible, though. |
| 19:39.12 | kooldeb | ok, when I try to do apt-get update I am getting the following: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found <-- any ideas ? |
| 19:39.12 | resiak | bigbill52a: So read what dpkg said? |
| 19:39.18 | bigbill52a | ok |
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| 19:39.21 | viper2k | scarynetworkguy heh sorry I googled but the only thing I find is that port 1723 has to be mapped |
| 19:39.26 | resiak | kooldeb: testing doesn't get security updates. |
| 19:39.28 | scarynetworkguy | ayecee: BTW you are dead wrong. Many implementations can do NAT travserval just fine. |
| 19:39.32 | resiak | !tell kooldeb about testing security |
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| 19:39.47 | ayecee | scarynetworkguy, on the client side, yes. not on the server side. |
| 19:39.55 | scarynetworkguy | viper2k: And as soon as you write me a very big check I'll give a shit. I've given you the answer now you just need to fix it. |
| 19:40.10 | NetGrunt | hi there |
| 19:40.16 | _zoidberg_ | can i do a newbie question? |
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| 19:40.22 | resiak | !testing security is also Sarge doesn't get security updates, which is why http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404s. |
| 19:40.22 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 19:40.25 | ayecee | _zoidberg_, sure. everyone else does. |
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| 19:40.27 | resiak | !tell _zoidberg_ about ask |
| 19:40.30 | scarynetworkguy | ayecee: And you run how many VPN tunnels out of one building? If it is anything less than the 300+ I manage you just need to go teach your grandmother to suck eggs. |
| 19:40.33 | viper2k | scarynetworkguy well considering your attitude your not worth my money .. |
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| 19:40.41 | yoshio_ | bigbill52a: just remove the links to S99xdm or whatever in /etc/rc2.d |
| 19:40.42 | yoshio_ | bigbill52a: or rename the S99xdm to K99xdm |
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| 19:40.46 | scarynetworkguy | viper2k: Starting to catch on aren't you. |
| 19:40.47 | Wyzard | resiak: I think you meant Etch, not Sarge... Sarge does indeed get security updates |
| 19:40.47 | a1t | hola |
| 19:41.01 | ayecee | scarynetworkguy, what are you looking for, an extra inch coupon? ;) |
| 19:41.01 | resiak | Wyzard: You're absolutely right. |
| 19:41.06 | yoshio_ | bigbill52a: in /etc/rc2.d (or whatever your default run level is, check /etc/inittab) |
| 19:41.18 | resiak | !testing security =~ s/Sarge/testing (currently Etch)/ |
| 19:41.18 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 19:41.19 | viper2k | scarynetworkguy ;) well thnx anyway lets not make a big thing out of this |
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| 19:41.27 | NetGrunt | Sorry for asking such an obvious question guys, but I can't find it in the debian website : For how long will be woody supported by the debian security team ? |
| 19:41.32 | kooldeb | resiak: so how am I getting that when doing apt-get update ?? |
| 19:41.44 | resiak | kooldeb: Because you have that in your sources.list? |
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| 19:41.51 | resiak | kooldeb: Are you trying to run stable or testing? |
| 19:41.51 | a1t | me podis decir de otro programa tipo k3b ? |
| 19:42.01 | Azar | googling I find that every HOWTO article regarding firewalls and security for linux are written starting 1995 - 2000 : are ipchains still effective? |
| 19:42.08 | ledet | a1t: sdfh sjf adfj kda ahg jg to you too |
| 19:42.09 | viper2k | ayecee do you know a good howto for building a vpn server in debian thats windows compatible ?? |
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| 19:42.13 | resiak | Blah, dpkg is ignoring me. |
| 19:42.13 | ayecee | Azar, not so much so. |
| 19:42.16 | valdyn | Azar: www.lartc.org |
| 19:42.24 | Azar | thanks valdyn |
| 19:42.35 | kooldeb | resiak: well the sources.list is a combined one from mine and a friend of mine, so there could be there stuff that are on testing and stable |
| 19:42.35 | a1t | ok, sorry, i want go to other chanalle |
| 19:42.38 | thingfish | a1t: try #debian-es |
| 19:42.39 | ayecee | viper2k, nope. i've just used poptop and followed the documentation. |
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| 19:42.45 | resiak | kooldeb: Which are you trying to run? |
| 19:42.46 | otje | okay this is a newbie question: I'm writing a shell script which gets a directory, and I want to strip off the last part of the dir, e.g. from /home/foo/bar I want to get "bar". How do I do this? |
| 19:42.51 | resiak | kooldeb: Why not go fix it? |
| 19:42.56 | a1t | thingfish: yes... :-) |
| 19:43.01 | thingfish | ;) |
| 19:43.03 | trave11er | otje: man basename |
| 19:43.06 | resiak | otje: man basename; /j #bash |
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| 19:43.12 | _zoidberg_ | i´m using demudi, and can´t install jack-rack, because of the libc dependence, my libc, is a ".demudi", it provides ".demudi", maybe that the jackrack doesn´t sees the library, if that, do i have to download the "pure" version or it´s posisibly to modify what the package provides? |
| 19:43.16 | resiak | !demudi |
| 19:43.16 | dpkg | demudi is, like, Debian Multimedia Distribution, a distro optimized for audio and multimedia work, based on Debian. DeMuDi is available at http://www.agnula.org/ |
| 19:43.22 | resiak | !debian based |
| 19:43.22 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
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| 19:43.50 | Gskillet | Help Needed: Configuring Kismet with an 802.11b Netgear 16bit PCMCIA MA401 |
| 19:44.01 | monteiro | when i execute k3b, and when it's scanning devices, my mouse stops , is that normal ? |
| 19:44.02 | ledet | _zoidberg_: as you may now have realized, this is a debian channel... about debian... not demudi |
| 19:44.04 | resiak | Gskillet: That's not a question. |
| 19:44.04 | beeblebrox87 | what's a good benchmark for a linux system? |
| 19:44.04 | valdyn | _zoidberg_: demudi is still maintained? |
| 19:44.04 | otje | trave11er, resiak: okay, nice.. how can I find something like this next time myself? |
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| 19:44.11 | ledet | _zoidberg_: try joining #demudi |
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| 19:44.22 | viper2k | ayecee hmm I~ll try thatone then instead of pptd .. thnx |
| 19:44.28 | NetGrunt | beeblebrox87, do you really think we can answer you that ? |
| 19:44.30 | Gskillet | resiak: my question is how do i |
| 19:44.35 | Epod69 | how do i get firefox to view asp pages |
| 19:44.37 | Epod69 | ? |
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| 19:44.48 | ledet | Epod69: you sell your soul to the devil |
| 19:44.51 | ayecee | viper2k, think it's the same thing. poptop is a pptp daemon. |
| 19:44.54 | beeblebrox87 | NetGrunt: why wouldn't you? |
| 19:44.56 | yoshio_ | kooldeb: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00003.html |
| 19:44.58 | Epod69 | ledet, any other way |
| 19:44.59 | valdyn | Epod69: like you get it to view any other html page |
| 19:44.59 | Epod69 | ? |
| 19:45.02 | ledet | Epod69: there is no such thing as "asp pages" |
| 19:45.11 | Epod69 | *.asp extension... |
| 19:45.14 | ledet | Epod69: asp probably spits out html |
| 19:45.15 | trave11er | otje: google for advanced bash scripting guide, read bash manpage and coreutils documentation |
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| 19:45.27 | Epod69 | i cant view a page that is .asp with firefox but i can with mozilla |
| 19:45.27 | otje | okay, I'll |
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| 19:45.36 | NetGrunt | beeblebrox87, because it's an unanswereable question, at least in the way you asked it. A benchmark of what and for what ? |
| 19:45.37 | _zoidberg_ | ok, i will try, i think demudi is not mantained yed, but i updated it using a cd from a machine wich has broadband (not me) with official mirrors |
| 19:45.42 | ledet | Epod69: thats not a problem med firefox |
| 19:45.47 | valdyn | Epod69: asp is a serverside language/tool, your browser has nothing special to do with it. |
| 19:45.52 | ledet | Epod69: sounds more like a problem with the site your visiting |
| 19:46.00 | ledet | youre |
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| 19:46.06 | beeblebrox87 | NetGrunt: CPU performance |
| 19:46.07 | squall | Hi , any can can help me to my debian boot on console and not on X please |
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| 19:46.16 | beeblebrox87 | i am testing two emulators to see which performs better |
| 19:46.19 | Epod69 | music.yahoo.com, if you go their an click on a music video it wont work... |
| 19:46.30 | valdyn | squall: echo false > /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:46.39 | resiak | squall: Why? |
| 19:46.48 | Epod69 | there is even a firefox extension for the music.yahoo.com site i downloaded which will allow you to view the music videos with out needing ie |
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| 19:46.59 | vallejoDAcrest | hey- so i did that whole install madwifi thing- do i need to reboot for it to work? |
| 19:46.59 | NetGrunt | beeblebrox87, ah, you want a benchmarking tool ... |
| 19:47.07 | yoshio_ | kooldeb: see /etc/apt/apt.conf - APT::Default-Release "sarge"; |
| 19:47.13 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: no |
| 19:47.15 | _zoidberg_ | squall: edit /etc/inittab |
| 19:47.17 | squall | Thx valdyn |
| 19:47.21 | NetGrunt | Sorry for asking such an obvious question guys, but I can't find it in the debian website : For how long will be woody supported by the debian security team ? |
| 19:47.21 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: just load the modules |
| 19:47.24 | newbie01 | how do i get a 160 gb formated (ext3)? everything about this hd got a bit screwed up, used gpart and testdisk (to recover a partition form it successfully). now everything can be erased, but qtparted only shows 152 gb and returns "there was a problem with mkfs.ext3. |
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| 19:47.25 | Epod69 | when i click on it it tells me where i should download the *.asp page....but if i open it in mozilla, it opens but then says you need a supported browser |
| 19:47.29 | vallejoDAcrest | ledet- how do i do that? |
| 19:47.35 | ridehard | hi |
| 19:47.41 | beeblebrox87 | isn't slink still supported by the debian security team? |
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| 19:47.48 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: try running modconf |
| 19:47.53 | vallejoDAcrest | okay |
| 19:48.00 | valdyn | Epod69: dont you listen? its a serverside problem. |
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| 19:48.16 | vallejoDAcrest | ledet- what will that do? |
| 19:48.36 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: its just some "graphical" interface to module loading |
| 19:48.44 | ridehard | anyone with soem time for a novice.. it's about setting up the password for my wireless card |
| 19:48.52 | ledet | or rather "module management" |
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| 19:48.58 | Epod69 | valdyn...then why would they have an extension for the site so you can view it through firefox...i dont think they would make a useless extension |
| 19:49.03 | NetGrunt | ridehard, iwconfig |
| 19:49.20 | valdyn | Epod69: that extension IS useless for your browser |
| 19:49.21 | ledet | Epod69: lol |
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| 19:49.40 | ridehard | NetGrunt, does it do the encoding of the password too ? nedd warp encoding |
| 19:49.41 | ledet | Epod69: browsers only understand mime-types... they dont care about the so-called extensions |
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| 19:49.51 | ridehard | need* |
| 19:49.53 | valdyn | Epod69: and i can give you plenty more "useless" extensions, if you need any :) |
| 19:49.55 | NetGrunt | hmmm dunno, sorry |
| 19:50.02 | daxiang | ridehard: /etc/network/interfaces: wireless_key PASSWORD |
| 19:50.04 | martinja | Anyone know why the Debian 3.1 bible is delayed? |
| 19:50.08 | vallejoDAcrest | ledet- what modules should i install- all the ones under mad wifi? |
| 19:50.19 | NetGrunt | gotta run, bye |
| 19:50.23 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: the ones you think you might need |
| 19:50.33 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: and/or the ones suggested by the documentation |
| 19:50.46 | beeblebrox87 | NetGrunt: at least 2-3 years, until etch releases. given that slink still seems to be supported and it's 3 releases old, i suppose woody will stay supported for 3 more releases, or 6-9 years |
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| 19:50.57 | vallejoDAcrest | what if i install all? |
| 19:51.03 | beeblebrox87 | although they're hoping to speed up the release schedule, so maybe only 4 years |
| 19:51.04 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: in other words: i dont remember... i have the documentation for remembering stuff like that :) |
| 19:51.07 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: try |
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| 19:51.24 | ridehard | daxiang, yes but I suppose I need to encode the key to the warp standard before (as my rooter is ocnfigured witht hat type of encryption) |
| 19:51.29 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: but _really_ do consider reading the documentation |
| 19:51.36 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: it can save you a lot of time |
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| 19:51.51 | beeblebrox87 | what's a good benchmarking tool for linux? |
| 19:51.55 | vallejoDAcrest | what documentation? |
| 19:51.55 | vallejoDAcrest | for mad wifi? |
| 19:52.03 | resiak | !giyf vallejoDAcrest |
| 19:52.06 | resiak | :( |
| 19:52.08 | resiak | !giyf |
| 19:52.08 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 19:52.13 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: good and benchmarking in one sentence? |
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| 19:52.44 | ledet | vallejoDAcrest: that would be a pretty good guess |
| 19:52.44 | ridehard | in other words as anyone here managed to configure a wireless card connection to a rooter with a warp password ^^' |
| 19:52.44 | ridehard | has* |
| 19:52.50 | Whisky_ | anyone got any experience with GD image library in PHP ? |
| 19:53.02 | ridehard | nope Whisky_ sorry |
| 19:53.09 | Whisky_ | ridehard: okies |
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| 19:53.14 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: be a little more specific.. |
| 19:53.50 | ridehard | THe thing is I feel too much liek a geek at the moment with my ethernet card and my 20m cable ;) |
| 19:53.50 | beeblebrox87 | i am testing two emulators to see which has better CPU performance |
| 19:54.18 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: time bunzip somearchive.bz2 |
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| 19:55.25 | ridehard | anyoned using a wireless card here ? |
| 19:55.47 | ssb | yep |
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| 19:56.01 | ridehard | with a password protected rooter ? |
| 19:56.09 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: hmm, nm, thats a rather bad test for plain cpu performance, but you get the idea, run a cpu intense task on each machine, set "time" in front |
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| 19:56.21 | ssb | no |
| 19:56.54 | ridehard | ssb, damn.. any ideai how to configure the password anyway ? |
| 19:57.20 | beeblebrox87 | valdyn: if i mount a tmpfs over some directory and bunzip the file there, won't that be mostly CPU? |
| 19:57.21 | shingouz | ridehard: what is your question in anycase? you are a bit vague at this point |
| 19:57.24 | ssb | ridehard, what do you mean by 'password protected rooter' ? |
| 19:57.28 | dondelelcaro | ridehard: with iwconfig <interface> key <wepkey> |
| 19:57.34 | dondelelcaro | ridehard: man iwconfig |
| 19:57.37 | newbie01 | where do get additional info when qtparted says "problems with mkfs.ext3 ? |
| 19:57.41 | ssb | ridehard, wep encryption ? |
| 19:57.53 | Epod69 | how do i get mplayer ? |
| 19:58.00 | shingouz | !marillat |
| 19:58.00 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
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| 19:58.19 | ridehard | my flatmate set the password on the rooter.. so now I need to change my interface file to put the ESSID and the password key .. and the key is also warp (or something like that) encoded |
| 19:58.26 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: better use bzip instead since extracting bz2 archines *might* be i/o bound for you ( depending on your system ) |
| 19:58.35 | ridehard | so I don't know how to do that, was working fine wihtout the password ;) |
| 19:58.36 | Evil_Homer | can anyone help me, i got a file named "-vvv" on my server, and i can't remove it with rm, rm "-vvv" doesn't erase the thing |
| 19:58.45 | Epod69 | is mplayer in nonfree ? |
| 19:58.46 | beeblebrox87 | valdyn: but if i put it in a ramdrive? |
| 19:58.54 | shingouz | ridehard: router. man iwconfig, man interfaces |
| 19:59.07 | ledet | Evil_Homer: try rm '-vvv' |
| 19:59.12 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: then you might benchmark the disk emulation layer of your emulator |
| 19:59.20 | ridehard | ah yes router sorry |
| 19:59.26 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: then you might benchmark the i/o emulation layer of your emulator |
| 19:59.40 | daxiang | Evil_Homer: rm -- -vv |
| 20:00.02 | Evil_Homer | thanks daxiang , that dit it :) |
| 20:00.07 | ridehard | I read it was abit complicated for warp.. (WEP being more supported or somehting) |
| 20:00.25 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: just "bzip somelargefile" |
| 20:00.45 | yoshio_ | netgrunt: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan releases supported one year after next stable release |
| 20:00.55 | Epod69 | ah! i understand why debian doesnt have it, on mplayers site, it says that are seriously being threatened by software patents |
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| 20:01.44 | Fleck | Epod69 then you didn't uderstand corectly |
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| 20:01.55 | Epod69 | Fleck ? |
| 20:01.57 | Mqadhsa | hi, when i'm logged in as root, How can I run app as diff user? |
| 20:02.05 | trueno | Anyone knows if the connection between Linux (smbfs) and W2k3 server is encrypted? (The connection between w2k3 and other "modern" win is supposed to be encrypted). |
| 20:02.12 | Fleck | su user -c cmd |
| 20:02.21 | valdyn | Epod69: software patent protection exists ( yet ) almost nowhere outside the US |
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| 20:02.25 | ridehard | ok thanks anyways see u guys |
| 20:02.31 | kerneld_ | Epod69: Yeah, and someone installing a bunch of Debian packages should not have to worry that they might potentially giving themselves a legal problem. |
| 20:02.37 | ledet | !tell Epod69 about mplayer |
| 20:02.40 | brosio | anyone use festival to read the object of email ? |
| 20:02.44 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 20:02.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 20:03.19 | gtlarue | horay |
| 20:03.24 | Mqadhsa | Fleck, su ammanfun -c ./home/ammanfun/shoutcast-1-9-4-linux-glibc6/sc_serv > /dev/null, is it correct? |
| 20:03.26 | ledet | !tell Epod69 about marillat |
| 20:03.41 | gtlarue | that installed much faster than the net installer |
| 20:03.47 | Fleck | Mqadhsa nope su user -c "cmd with params..." |
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| 20:04.14 | Mqadhsa | fleck so su ammanfun -c "./home/ammanfun/shoutcast-1-9-4-linux-glibc6/sc_serv > /dev/null" |
| 20:04.20 | Fleck | yeah :) |
| 20:04.49 | ledet | brosio: in other words: ask a question instead... dont ask if someone uses this and this... unless youre doing a survey that isnt really interesting, is it? |
| 20:04.56 | daxiang | gtlarue: gald you made it |
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| 20:05.49 | gtlarue | I think I will hang around here for a little while, see if some brains can rub off |
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| 20:06.11 | martinja | I have to write this answer down: How do I see what kernel is currently loaded? |
| 20:06.27 | shingouz | uname -a |
| 20:06.29 | gtlarue | uname |
| 20:06.33 | gtlarue | errrr, you beat me |
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| 20:06.40 | martinja | thanks |
| 20:06.40 | jeukku | is debian kernels preemptive? how can I tell if my current kernel is preemptive? |
| 20:06.45 | martinja | Writing it down now :) |
| 20:06.52 | ledet | gtlarue: this channel is swarming with the basic element of brainium |
| 20:06.59 | gtlarue | fun stuff |
| 20:07.02 | martinja | and how do you log out of root in shell? |
| 20:07.04 | ledet | gtlarue: dont worry - it's not radio active... |
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| 20:07.31 | gtlarue | what are some essential things that one should read about debian |
| 20:07.32 | shingouz | jeukku: afaik they use the O(1) but nothing else. check the config of the kernel in /proc/config.gz |
| 20:07.39 | Whisky_ | where do i find my PHP source dir ? |
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| 20:07.40 | ledet | gtlarue: lately, though, it seems that the basic element of retardium is trying to take over... |
| 20:07.43 | trave11er | jeukku: check whether the CONFIG_PREEMPT is set in /boot/config-<version> |
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| 20:08.03 | trave11er | jeukku: i think it's not set |
| 20:08.04 | thingfish | gtlarue: do /msg dpkg why debian. |
| 20:08.17 | Whisky_ | QUESTION:> where do i find my PHP source dir ? |
| 20:08.51 | gtlarue | fun stuff |
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| 20:09.12 | jeukku | trave11er: not set in any kernel I've got... thanks |
| 20:09.34 | shingouz | jeukku: what version you run? |
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| 20:09.58 | jeukku | shingouz: 2.6.11 |
| 20:09.59 | brosio | ledet, u do this ? |
| 20:10.05 | shingouz | k |
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| 20:10.32 | ledet | brosio: are you talking about masturbation? |
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| 20:10.37 | Whisky_ | is no one willing to help me ? |
| 20:10.49 | jeukku | shingouz: my java programs hang when I'm using precompiled kernels |
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| 20:11.07 | brosio | ledet, no i'm talking about how to fuck yout mum |
| 20:11.16 | shingouz | jeukku: maybe the java programs have somethign bad in them in that case |
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| 20:11.25 | ledet | brosio: i dont do that much, no |
| 20:11.32 | ledet | brosio: i've been trying to quit |
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| 20:11.43 | jeukku | shingouz: it's strange that it's every java program I use |
| 20:11.46 | ledet | brosio: please leave if that is your general tone... |
| 20:11.47 | brosio | ledet, so try it :) |
| 20:12.07 | brosio | ledet, ZZzz... |
| 20:12.14 | shingouz | ledet, brosio: please don't. in other words, stop |
| 20:12.25 | ledet | shingouz: stop what? |
| 20:12.33 | shingouz | trying to pick a fight here |
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| 20:12.39 | brosio | shingouz, sorry |
| 20:12.42 | Whisky_ | shingouz: where do i find my PHP source dir ? |
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| 20:13.03 | shingouz | Whisky_: updatedb && locate php perhaps? |
| 20:13.04 | ledet | shingouz: try finding the part where i pick a fight |
| 20:13.10 | yoshio_ | Whisky_: you mean like /usr/share/php ? |
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| 20:13.26 | ledet | shingouz: i wish you luck |
| 20:13.42 | shingouz | ledet: i am not blaming anyone, just asking you to stop so that we do not have afight here, that is all |
| 20:13.44 | brosio | ledet, buy a pc :°D |
| 20:13.54 | ledet | brosio: i already have plenty |
| 20:13.56 | Whisky_ | yoshio_: dunno. I am trying to install the GD library and it says I can re-compile PHP with GD support by --enable-gd in the source dir? |
| 20:14.01 | ericb_ | does anybody know if it's possible to run 2 X server on 2 different tty ?? |
| 20:14.07 | tarzeau | sure |
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| 20:14.11 | tarzeau | startx -- :1 |
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| 20:14.35 | TATY | OLA |
| 20:14.43 | ledet | shingouz: i'm trying to get this guy to stop... if you want to be of any help, please start now... and stop blaming me for something other people are doing |
| 20:15.08 | ericb_ | tarzeau startx :1 will it automatically put itself on tty 8 (next available) or do I have to provide another X config file |
| 20:15.10 | shingouz | ledet: i am not blaming anyone. period. |
| 20:15.14 | ledet | brosio: you should probably give it a couple of runs though |
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| 20:15.20 | ledet | shingouz: then dont ask me to stop |
| 20:15.27 | Mqadhsa | is it > /dev/null or < /dev/null ? |
| 20:15.31 | tarzeau | ericb_: no |
| 20:15.36 | tarzeau | ericb_: it'll put it automatically |
| 20:15.45 | yoshio_ | Whisky_: you would have to grab the source for php then, try apt-get install php4-gd instead |
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| 20:15.59 | ericb_ | tarzeau cool it works thanks a lot !!! |
| 20:16.00 | yoshio_ | Whisky_: type apt-cache show php4-gd |
| 20:16.03 | _osh | Mqadhsa: Depends on if you want to read from /dev/null or redirect to. |
| 20:16.12 | Mqadhsa | _osh, redirect |
| 20:16.15 | tarzeau | ericb_: you're welcome |
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| 20:16.23 | Whisky_ | yoshio_: k thanx |
| 20:17.07 | Azar | is iproute2 obsolete? |
| 20:17.11 | TATY | ALGUN XIKO ESPAÑOL |
| 20:17.14 | _osh | Mqadhsa: then it's >. |
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| 20:18.21 | Azar | it is so hard to determine which HOWTO is good some of them don't have a date |
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| 20:18.32 | kbrooks | I get a warning from Perl about locale. |
| 20:18.33 | Led_Zeppelin | i am using tripwire, and I can't seem to email myself when a alter has occured...can someone please show me a their sample cfg file? |
| 20:18.48 | Led_Zeppelin | or how they setup their policies? |
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| 20:19.01 | optik | BRB : Restarting to fit new HDD |
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| 20:19.26 | kbrooks | Please check that your locale settings ... are supported and installed on your system. |
| 20:19.29 | kbrooks | Why? |
| 20:19.30 | daxiang | kbrooks: locales |
| 20:19.36 | kbrooks | doh |
| 20:19.37 | kbrooks | ty |
| 20:20.18 | ecobit | what is the name of the new testing? |
| 20:20.24 | kbrooks | ETCH |
| 20:20.29 | ecobit | rite on |
| 20:20.40 | ecobit | sounds kinda cool |
| 20:20.48 | daxiang | kbrooks: either configure your locales properly or do LANG=POSIX and LC_ALL=C |
| 20:21.07 | ecobit | i like the sound of it "i'm running etch" |
| 20:21.30 | ledet | ecobit: not as cool as "i'm rich" though... |
| 20:21.55 | ledet | ecobit: or "I did J-Lo, and she was a terrible lay"... |
| 20:22.03 | gtlarue | http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ |
| 20:22.10 | gtlarue | just found that on google |
| 20:22.18 | gtlarue | is the stuff in there still worth reading? |
| 20:22.22 | ledet | ecobit: but yes... another cool character from toy story |
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| 20:22.48 | ecobit | i have a question about lcd resolutions: i'm thinking of getting one with 1400x1024 resolution. i understand that if you run an lcd at a res lower than the native mode, the display will be fuzzy. is it actually not good then to have one that is too high a resolution? |
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| 20:23.12 | ecobit | if you only intend to run it at a lower mode? |
| 20:23.14 | ledet | ecobit: depends on it's size |
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| 20:23.20 | ledet | ecobit: well, no |
| 20:23.20 | ecobit | 15" |
| 20:23.30 | [Granger] | 1400x1024? |
| 20:23.34 | [Granger] | they don't exist |
| 20:23.35 | error403 | Hmm, is there a graphical cron-job manager in Debian/KDE ? |
| 20:23.37 | [Granger] | it's 1400x1050 |
| 20:23.39 | [Granger] | get it right |
| 20:23.40 | ledet | ecobit: if you dont want to run it at 1400x1024, then you shouldnt buy it |
| 20:23.45 | ecobit | i can just guess that 1400 on a 15" has got to be extremely illegible |
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| 20:23.54 | [Granger] | ecobit: bullshit |
| 20:24.01 | ecobit | sorry 1050 or whatever |
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| 20:24.05 | [Granger] | and it works just fine |
| 20:24.15 | gtlarue | yeah, I am in 1400x1050 right now too |
| 20:24.16 | error403 | 15" screen = 1024x768 native res, iirc |
| 20:24.19 | ledet | ecobit: it's a widescreen monitor... you probably want to run it at its maximum resolution... |
| 20:24.27 | ecobit | [Granger]: you like it then? |
| 20:24.27 | dondelelcaro | error403: depends on the screen. |
| 20:24.27 | error403 | gtlarue, how the hell you manage that? |
| 20:24.37 | error403 | 15" widescreen? |
| 20:24.41 | [Granger] | ledet: no 1400x1050 isn't widescreen |
| 20:24.41 | ecobit | [Granger]: do you like it better than 1024x768? |
| 20:24.51 | ledet | [Granger]: i'm just guessing :)... |
| 20:24.56 | gtlarue | Ifefeffde |
| 20:24.59 | kbrooks | daxiang, |
| 20:25.01 | [Granger] | ecobit: I want desktop real estate |
| 20:25.06 | [Granger] | I don't want large letters |
| 20:25.10 | kbrooks | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 20:25.10 | kbrooks | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 20:25.10 | kbrooks | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 20:25.16 | Whisky_ | PHP running on your server does not support the GD image library, check with your webhost if ImageMagick is installed. |
| 20:25.22 | Whisky_ | I just cant get GD working!!!!! |
| 20:25.22 | ecobit | [Granger] is correct it is 1400x1024 ibm makes some models with that and some with 1024x768 |
| 20:25.23 | kbrooks | and the same warning from Perl. |
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| 20:25.36 | ledet | Whisky_: did you remember to enable it in php.ini? |
| 20:25.42 | [Granger] | it's 1400x1050 |
| 20:25.44 | [Granger] | jeez |
| 20:25.48 | Whisky_ | ledet: no :\ Where's php.ini again ? |
| 20:25.48 | ecobit | s/1400x1024/1400x1050 sorry. |
| 20:25.49 | error403 | i only recently realised why 17" screens are odd... 17" arent usually 4:3 aspect ratio... >.< |
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| 20:26.00 | dondelelcaro | Whisky_: install php4-gd or gd2 and make sure it's being loaded in your php.ini |
| 20:26.01 | ledet | Whisky_: /etc/php/ would be a start |
| 20:26.03 | [Granger] | error403: 17" is usually 1280x1024 |
| 20:26.05 | gtlarue | my laptop specs said the LCD could run it |
| 20:26.09 | Whisky_ | php4* |
| 20:26.17 | [Granger] | error403: which is a sham |
| 20:26.22 | Whisky_ | /etc/php4/apache/php.ini, /etc/php4/cgi/php.ini |
| 20:26.24 | gtlarue | so I just slapped "1400x1050" in my xconfig |
| 20:26.26 | Whisky_ | /etc/php4/cli/php.ini |
| 20:26.29 | Whisky_ | got three of it :S |
| 20:26.31 | gtlarue | and it worked after i rebooted |
| 20:26.37 | kbrooks | er |
| 20:26.43 | [Granger] | gtlarue: yeah |
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| 20:26.47 | [Granger] | what did you expect? |
| 20:26.51 | myren | wait, did racoon get eatten by ipsec-tools? |
| 20:26.52 | error403 | [Granger], what you mean its a sham? |
| 20:26.54 | kbrooks | Whisky_, |
| 20:26.58 | ecobit | 376 |
| 20:26.58 | error403 | i know its 5:4, not 4:3 |
| 20:27.00 | kbrooks | ................ |
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| 20:27.17 | Whisky_ | kbrooks: ye? :S |
| 20:27.19 | [Granger] | error403: you can run a pure 17" at a much higher resolution than 1280x1024 |
| 20:27.24 | [Granger] | without it hurting your eyes |
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| 20:27.32 | [Granger] | LCD manufacturers just won't put a better panel in there |
| 20:27.33 | Epod69 | is gnome suppose to be using artsd!? |
| 20:27.37 | ledet | Whisky_: /etc/php4/apache/ probably |
| 20:27.42 | gtlarue | my 15' LCD can go up to 1600x1200 |
| 20:27.49 | [Granger] | gtlarue: my point exactly |
| 20:27.59 | daxiang | kbrooks: try LC_ALL=C "your command" |
| 20:28.00 | Whisky_ | ledet: k |
| 20:28.03 | [Granger] | if they can make a 15" go at that resolution |
| 20:28.10 | [Granger] | they sure as hell can make a 17" do the same |
| 20:28.13 | error403 | [Granger], fair enough... 1280x1024 x 2 monitors is fine for me... |
| 20:28.14 | error403 | :D |
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| 20:28.22 | ecobit | 1.3333 |
| 20:28.22 | kbrooks | daxiang, this is for a distro i'm making....based on debian |
| 20:28.23 | [Granger] | at the end of the day it's about screen real estate |
| 20:28.28 | gtlarue | I usually dont use it though, it tends to slow games down |
| 20:28.38 | [Granger] | so that's why a 19" is no better than a 17" |
| 20:28.39 | kbrooks | daxiang, i want it to be permanent |
| 20:28.54 | ecobit | gtlarue: do you run it at maximum res? |
| 20:29.02 | gtlarue | not usually |
| 20:29.12 | gtlarue | sometimes I do to look at a picture or something |
| 20:29.20 | ecobit | gtlarue: but if you run it at non-native resolution, doesn't the quality suck? |
| 20:29.20 | gtlarue | usually I use 1400 |
| 20:29.24 | at0mic | error403: that's what i'm looking at :> |
| 20:29.32 | [Granger] | I run my panel at 1400x1050 |
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| 20:29.41 | [Granger] | and in the console it runs at 1280x1024 |
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| 20:29.54 | steve_ | hey- i just set up wireless networking |
| 20:30.04 | steve_ | how do set ssid and wep key and all that? |
| 20:30.09 | gtlarue | I only really run it at resolutions that other people with the same laptop as me have used |
| 20:30.15 | kbrooks | daxiang, do you know? |
| 20:30.16 | shingouz | steve_: man iwconfig |
| 20:30.18 | Epod69 | steve, iwconfig |
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| 20:30.30 | gtlarue | so I really havent had much trouble with crappy displaying |
| 20:30.31 | ecobit | [Granger]: are you using like 16pt fonts for everything? i can't image 12pt at 100x100 dpi would be readable? |
| 20:30.31 | Whisky_ | ledet: There's nothing more abt GD apart from dynamic extensions part just giving an example of extensions |
| 20:30.48 | [Granger] | ecobit: no |
| 20:30.49 | Epod69 | what sound daemon is gnome suppose to use ? |
| 20:30.53 | gtlarue | alrighty, I'll be back later, rebooting and mucking with some configs |
| 20:30.54 | shingouz | steve_: after you have the settings down pat put them in interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 20:30.59 | error403 | are there official Debian case badges? |
| 20:31.01 | steve_ | i tried with iwconfig- but i cant get it to work |
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| 20:31.24 | ecobit | error403: now tape it to your wastebasket where it can be prominently displayed :-) |
| 20:31.26 | shingouz | steve_: so what did you do and what were the errors |
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| 20:31.42 | uruboro | good question error403... |
| 20:31.50 | error403 | ecobit, too late, i bent it up and destroyed it |
| 20:32.00 | [Granger] | heh |
| 20:32.08 | error403 | i would have burnt it, but it was metal |
| 20:32.10 | [Granger] | those logos came off my laptop in the course of normal typing |
| 20:32.12 | ecobit | error403: a waste of a perfectly good wastebasket decal |
| 20:32.12 | kbrooks | daxiang, answer pls |
| 20:32.12 | bobbens | error403: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+badge&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 20:32.18 | error403 | ecobit, true |
| 20:32.22 | websdale | error403:yes I've got one |
| 20:32.23 | uruboro | i am looking for an 'intel outside' badge for my ppc mac :) |
| 20:32.27 | shingouz | error403: a good thing. if you had slapped the badge on the wastebasket the wastebasket would have bluescreened on you |
| 20:32.33 | error403 | i know i can get them on eBay |
| 20:32.40 | error403 | hehe |
| 20:32.44 | giupy | i have debian badge |
| 20:32.56 | martinja | does freenode support ssl connections? |
| 20:33.10 | ecobit | http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 20:33.17 | error403 | noooooooo |
| 20:33.17 | bobbens | error403: www.debianshop.com |
| 20:33.23 | shingouz | martinja: check |
| 20:33.26 | daxiang | kbrooks: then set it in your .bashrc or whatever |
| 20:33.29 | error403 | Domed badges = bad for laptops |
| 20:33.42 | tarzeau | oh where are you, greycat |
| 20:33.49 | tarzeau | dpkg will finally log EVERYTHING! |
| 20:33.53 | websdale | Epod69: esound |
| 20:33.54 | shingouz | error403: tattoo a swirl on your forehead? :p |
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| 20:33.59 | martinja | I dont want to set up ssl when it might not be working |
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| 20:34.05 | veleno | where do i set font and font-size for xterm ? |
| 20:34.11 | Epod69 | websdale, why is artsd active ? |
| 20:34.12 | uruboro | error403, do it the hacker way, carve the debian logo with a screwdriver... |
| 20:34.12 | error403 | dammit, all case badges are domed |
| 20:34.15 | Whisky_ | how do i restart PHP ? |
| 20:34.19 | tarzeau | Whisky_: hahaha |
| 20:34.21 | Whisky_ | :\ |
| 20:34.22 | error403 | ebay have laptop ones |
| 20:34.23 | error403 | :D |
| 20:34.28 | ecobit | this one is also good for some cool walpapers: http://glatozen.org/wallpaper/debian.php |
| 20:34.37 | shingouz | martinja: the freenode website perhaps? |
| 20:34.38 | tarzeau | Whisky_: that's like asking how you restart ls |
| 20:34.42 | websdale | Epod69:are you running any KDE apps? |
| 20:34.43 | Epod69 | websdale, there is no esound... |
| 20:34.44 | Whisky_ | :\ |
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| 20:34.49 | daxiang | veleno: $HOME/.Xressources |
| 20:34.49 | ecobit | is use it with fbspalsh for my console background |
| 20:34.51 | Whisky_ | cant it be restarted ? |
| 20:34.52 | tarzeau | Whisky_: you drunk too much Whisky? |
| 20:34.59 | daxiang | veleno: typo: $HOME/.Xresources |
| 20:35.07 | tarzeau | Whisky_: not like a daemon |
| 20:35.12 | Whisky_ | tarzeau: no, im a n00b |
| 20:35.14 | Epod69 | websdale, i opened kastroids and an error came up saying the sound device was busy |
| 20:35.16 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 20:35.17 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 20:35.19 | kbrooks | daxiang, answer pls |
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| 20:35.25 | kbrooks | daxiang, no |
| 20:35.26 | Whisky_ | tarzeau: k so if i make new settings, they just work without restart ? |
| 20:35.28 | azol | Whisky_: restart apache |
| 20:35.29 | kbrooks | system |
| 20:35.33 | Whisky_ | oh |
| 20:35.33 | kbrooks | across system |
| 20:35.33 | Whisky_ | k |
| 20:35.50 | martinja | Shingouz forces me to act as a good noobie :P |
| 20:35.51 | websdale | Epod69:what /dev/dsp? |
| 20:35.53 | veleno | daxiang: that file is empty. i'd like to set "Bitstream Vera Sans" size 16 there... |
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| 20:36.33 | martinja | They dont :& |
| 20:36.41 | Epod69 | websdale, dont know, how can i tell? |
| 20:36.48 | roel-_ | if I'm searching for a debian package of a relatively new program, where's the best place to look? |
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| 20:37.00 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:37.05 | mxn | Hang on a minute...do I want "unstable" in my apt sources.list? |
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| 20:37.12 | kbrooks | mxn, |
| 20:37.15 | kbrooks | !sid |
| 20:37.15 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 20:38.01 | mxn | kbrooks: I've been using sid for ages. Since sarge became stable, I tried an apt update, and it 404s. I was just wondering if I needed to change "unstable" to something else. |
| 20:38.16 | ribnitz | mxn: generally, if you have to ask, you shouldn 't use sid. |
| 20:38.17 | kbrooks | sid? |
| 20:38.34 | daxiang | veleno: i think for potato they had a good sample-file in /etc/X11/Xresources/xterm, but now there isn't any more. |
| 20:38.37 | websdale | Epod69: I meant did the error msg say that |
| 20:38.42 | daxiang | veleno: i'm trying to look for it |
| 20:38.45 | robert | how do I get a screenshot from command line? |
| 20:38.46 | mxn | ribnitz: What'd be the fun in that? Besides, it's all a learning process. :-) |
| 20:39.03 | kbrooks | !unstable |
| 20:39.04 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
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| 20:39.15 | error403 | Is there a simple cron-job manager available in Debian/KDE ? |
| 20:39.16 | ribnitz | mxn: there are different ways of learning. |
| 20:39.17 | kbrooks | sid isnt supported here |
| 20:39.22 | ecobit | robert: just cut and paste from an x-term |
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| 20:39.27 | ledet | mxn: your mirror may be in the midst of refreshing its files... |
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| 20:39.28 | ribnitz | mxn: a lobster put in hot water wont adapt. |
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| 20:39.43 | ledet | mxn: give it an our or two... or try another mirror |
| 20:39.47 | ledet | hour |
| 20:39.51 | Epod69 | websdale, its not doing the error anymore, i still dont get sound though |
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| 20:40.03 | Epod69 | did i mension there is no esound process.... |
| 20:40.04 | mxn | ledet: That's the only reasonable explanation, I would've thought. I should've just changed mirrors before asking on here... |
| 20:40.14 | Epod69 | websdale, why cant kde apps run on esound ? |
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| 20:40.24 | Azar | three years of faith and hope |
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| 20:40.41 | ribnitz | Azar: what happened? |
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| 20:41.05 | ledet | Azar: you didnt vote for bush? |
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| 20:41.09 | Azar | ribiniz I was planning to leave msworld altogether so I started struggling and learning Debian |
| 20:41.17 | Azar | now I lost hope |
| 20:41.26 | kbrooks | why? |
| 20:41.27 | ribnitz | Azar: why? |
| 20:41.30 | daxiang | veleno: ah found it, look at /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm, append it to your ~/.Xresources and modify to your needs |
| 20:41.36 | Azar | system security |
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| 20:42.03 | ribnitz | Azar: as in you dont get it secure enough, or as in its too secured? |
| 20:42.05 | gahan | is it possible to use 'memcached' to cache X+KDE?:) |
| 20:42.17 | kbrooks | gahan, TIAS |
| 20:42.18 | daxiang | Azar: and i thought Aznar was bush's best friend in europe |
| 20:42.33 | Azar | ribniz last night I found out my debian box is having activity online while I was totally logged off |
| 20:42.38 | Azar | and I cant do shit about |
| 20:42.39 | gahan | kbrooks: i dont want to get nervous if it wont work :) |
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| 20:42.55 | censor | hi all |
| 20:43.06 | floppyears | censor: hi |
| 20:43.14 | ribnitz | Azar: any breakages?- use something like auto-apt? |
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| 20:43.40 | Azar | ribnitz now looking back I can assume my 52 reinstalls were partially due to breakins |
| 20:43.52 | kbrooks | Azar, |
| 20:43.59 | ribnitz | !repeat |
| 20:44.00 | dpkg | i heard repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 20:44.01 | kbrooks | woody, sarge or sid? |
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| 20:44.11 | Azar | last time I reinstalled was because someone completely deleted my /var/log |
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| 20:44.26 | daxiang | Azar, what are you running? |
| 20:44.36 | ribnitz | Azar: backup? |
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| 20:44.49 | Azar | right now a brand new reinstall of Sarge with2.6.8 |
| 20:45.01 | ribnitz | Azar: backup to remote site or to "tamper proof" (write-once) media? |
| 20:45.12 | daxiang | Azar, firewall? |
| 20:45.20 | websdale | Epod69:esound only runs when gnome tells it to I think - what version/kernel are you using? |
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| 20:45.36 | ledet | daxiang: firewall probably wont help much if he's running some vulnerable service |
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| 20:45.37 | daxiang | Azar: i know of some sarge-hosts at eth-zuerich, that have been compromised |
| 20:45.38 | Epod69 | like 2.6.11 |
| 20:45.43 | veleno | daxiang: ok, i'll try that (but it looks a bit hard) |
| 20:45.45 | Azar | ribniz, a reinstall would be same as backup I am afraid getting too comfy because I am not sure when next reinstall will be done |
| 20:45.50 | censor | i'm on a adsl-line which gets disconnected every 12hours by my provider, but ppp won't reconnect because even if the connection is terminated the ppp0 interface doesn't go down ... anybody got a clue about that? |
| 20:45.52 | censor | pppd[11046]: tcflush failed: Input/output error |
| 20:45.54 | error403 | Is there a simple cron-job manager available in Debian/KDE ? |
| 20:45.55 | Azar | so I only keep system files I have nothing of my own |
| 20:46.00 | websdale | Epod69:& has your sound ever worked? |
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| 20:46.04 | censor | is that error message of help? |
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| 20:46.13 | Epod69 | websdale, on some things |
| 20:46.14 | ledet | daxiang: he'd be better off disabling that particular service if he doesnt need it |
| 20:46.24 | daxiang | veleno: iff you want xterm, that's the way to got. but you can still go for gnome-terminal |
| 20:46.26 | error403 | anybody? |
| 20:46.26 | _osh | ribnitz: "tamper proof media"... like a line-printer... ;-) |
| 20:46.29 | Azar | I have boxes from china hooking my Debian |
| 20:46.30 | daxiang | veleno: or anything else |
| 20:46.37 | error403 | i think my line is way too short for anyone to see it... |
| 20:46.39 | websdale | Epod69:is there a pattern? |
| 20:46.45 | Epod69 | sound works on gnome games, gnome apps, sound doesnt work on java and kde apps... |
| 20:46.52 | veleno | daxiang: i'm waiting for gnome-terminal to be in gnome2.10 |
| 20:46.57 | Azar | I cant do shit but sit and watch connections |
| 20:46.59 | veleno | daxiang: i'm in sid |
| 20:47.00 | ribnitz | Azar: you ogt the data-carrying volumes on separate partitions. You laso disabled remote root login, don't run ftp, or telnet? |
| 20:47.00 | kbrooks | Azar, firewall. apt-get install firestarter now! |
| 20:47.20 | ribnitz | Azar: and dont use obvious passwords. |
| 20:47.21 | Azar | without ftp how can I use aptitude? |
| 20:47.27 | trueno | Anybody knows what's windowmaker "--for-real"? |
| 20:47.35 | ribnitz | Azar: uses wget. |
| 20:47.41 | censor | Azar also try shorewall, quite a nice FW |
| 20:47.41 | kbrooks | Azar, wget |
| 20:47.46 | websdale | Epod69:have you tried checking the sound setup in the KDE control centre? |
| 20:47.54 | Azar | ok I will use wget |
| 20:47.57 | kbrooks | Azar, you're confusin server w/ client |
| 20:48.01 | kbrooks | Azar, wait |
| 20:48.01 | ribnitz | censor: yep, though a little hard for beginners. |
| 20:48.02 | kbrooks | Azar, you're confusin server w/ client |
| 20:48.02 | daxiang | Azar: what do you mean by how can i use aptitude? ftpd on the compromised server? |
| 20:48.03 | Epod69 | websdale, im not in kde now |
| 20:48.03 | kbrooks | Azar, you're confusin server w/ client |
| 20:48.15 | Epod69 | websdale, but the sound device is at automatic |
| 20:48.15 | tristux | i use kpkg, it's great but: i configure my kernel, then i make-kpkg kernel-image, then after adding some .config modifications and doing another make-kpkg, i got exactly the same kernel than previous! how can i tell make-kpkg that my .config has changed? |
| 20:48.15 | Azar | funny thing my inetd.conf does not show I am using ftp still I do |
| 20:48.20 | saratogacx_ | I have an problem. My lo isn't configuring to 127.0.0.1 ;( |
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| 20:48.45 | censor | ribnitz true, but i got hold of it pretty fast ... i wasn't into FWs that much before,it taught me a lot! |
| 20:48.46 | Epod69 | websdale, im not using any kde apps so why is the artsd process running |
| 20:48.48 | ecobit | Azar: it sounds to me like it is your cluelessness that is at fault, not debian. |
| 20:48.51 | daxiang | Azar: i switched of ftp completely |
| 20:48.58 | tristux | saratogacx_, what's in your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 20:48.58 | Azar | for my mswindows box I spent 4 years and learned how to protect it but with linux I am totally lost |
| 20:49.10 | ribnitz | censor: still havent fully grasepd it. eg. cant tunnel ftp. |
| 20:49.38 | daxiang | Azar: look at the services inside /etc/init.d/* that you are runnig |
| 20:49.38 | Azar | daxiang I would have done that but ftp connection is not even mentioned in my inetd.conf |
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| 20:49.47 | Azar | ok |
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| 20:49.51 | kbrooks | Azar, ls -l /etc/init.d |
| 20:49.52 | censor | ribnitz i'm not a pro, too, but the basic stuff was easy to understand =) |
| 20:49.56 | saratogacx_ | auto lo eth0 | iface lo inet loopback | iface eth0 inet dhcp where | is for a newline |
| 20:49.59 | prog | little question, big problem - I have IMAP account somewhere and bad connection. I want to use MUTT to read Imap mailbox. All the time Mutt is started, always downloads Imap folder headers. It doesnt matter if I have in folder 10 messages, but some folder are destined for mailling lists with 100000 messages. How can I persuade Mutt to cache all downloaded headers ? Or should I use mailsync or suchlike to download all messages to the disc ? |
| 20:50.29 | tristux | saratogacx_, and what tells ifconfig? |
| 20:50.42 | Yan^ | Hello people, I am thinking about buying a new graphics card since my ATI Radeon 9200 has a bad dual head support, and I want one. What would be a good choice for Linux OS? I need a good movie quality (with 2048*1536/85Hz) but no real need for 3d/games |
| 20:50.58 | daxiang | Azar: grep -i ftp /etc/init.d/* |
| 20:51.17 | websdale | Epod69:yes but you can still run it from the debian menu - artsd is probably running cos you ran KDE programs earlier |
| 20:51.20 | martinja | Has anyone here used a ftp client on debiant to access ftp links via ssl implicit? |
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| 20:51.25 | error403 | I've got a very strange problem here.... For some reason, my Debian install has not GET command... any way to fix this? |
| 20:51.27 | saratogacx_ | ifconfig only shows eth0, ifconfig -a shows lo but doesn't have an IP connected to it. I can use ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up and that will start the loopback peroperly but it goes away on a reboot. |
| 20:51.27 | prog | Yan^, Nvidia is good choice |
| 20:51.44 | Epod69 | websdale, ah, well why dont i get sound then from it |
| 20:51.49 | Azar | no ftp daxiang |
| 20:51.49 | censor | error403 GET command? you mean wget? |
| 20:51.52 | trueno | !wdm |
| 20:51.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wdm is at http://linux.prodepi.com.br/projects.html (xdm replacement) or to fix, apt-get install libpam-pwdb |
| 20:51.54 | saratogacx_ | errror403 can you use apt-get install get ? |
| 20:52.05 | hardcampa- | martinja lftp can handle it. |
| 20:52.06 | Azar | it seems it is only run by sources.list no sight of it as a process |
| 20:52.08 | daxiang | Azar: so "ps axf | less" shows some ftp |
| 20:52.11 | error403 | censor, no, i mean GET, where it just gets the output, not downloads it |
| 20:52.18 | martinja | hardcampa- cjeers |
| 20:52.26 | daxiang | Azar: ah misunderstanding |
| 20:52.26 | Yan^ | prog: yes people seem to have this opinion. but these cards have normally only 75hz support (at cheap prices). also do you have an experience about dual heads? |
| 20:52.26 | tristux | Yan^, you got movies in 2048x1536 ??? like divx movies? you have a VERY powerfull CPU ... |
| 20:52.30 | ricochet | Can anyone point me to a good spot for using linux,telescopes/astronomy information (in market for telescope) |
| 20:52.34 | error403 | i DONT want anything downloaded.... just need it to hit a webpage and then leave it |
| 20:52.38 | censor | error403 haven't heard of that yet, gotta check it out =) |
| 20:52.40 | hardcampa- | martinja very few ftp clients for linux can handle ssl data transfers but lftp can =) |
| 20:52.45 | martinja | :) |
| 20:52.46 | daxiang | Azar: you are using ftp as a client to get your packages |
| 20:52.47 | error403 | censor, i used to have it.... |
| 20:52.48 | websdale | Epod69:try running Kcontrol from the debian menu - Apps> System>Kcontrol & checking the setup, restart arts |
| 20:52.56 | trueno | Is anyone getting two /usr/bin/X11/wdm (as shown by ps aux) when using wdm? |
| 20:52.57 | error403 | weird, its on one of my machines... |
| 20:52.58 | censor | error403 but you can do the same with wget's --dump parameter |
| 20:53.06 | error403 | ok |
| 20:53.06 | Yan^ | tristux: this is th resolution I am at |
| 20:53.07 | Wyzard | error403: Do you mean wget? |
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| 20:53.10 | Azar | daxiang, no sign of ftp there either |
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| 20:53.18 | darkcmd | where is the repository with the unofficial mplayer debs? |
| 20:53.20 | error403 | hmmm |
| 20:53.22 | Wyzard | error403: GET is an HTTP request code, not a program |
| 20:53.30 | Azar | daxiang only in sources.list |
| 20:53.33 | error403 | maybe its a RedHat-only command....; |
| 20:53.34 | ledet | !tell darkcmd about marillat |
| 20:53.35 | bobbens | Yan^: i have dual head working with ATI, but i'd recommend an nvidia |
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| 20:53.40 | Azar | and only when I activate with apt-get or aptitude |
| 20:53.45 | censor | Wyzard yea, we talked that through already, scroll up a bit ;) |
| 20:53.47 | Epod69 | websdale, ok, what do you want me to check about it |
| 20:53.47 | ribnitz | Yan^: resolution is only a question of video memory. |
| 20:53.51 | error403 | because i HAVE used GET http://myurl.com/index.html before/.... |
| 20:53.55 | Yan^ | bobbens: why then nvidia?? what ATI do you have? |
| 20:53.55 | daxiang | Azar: but sources.list is alright, because that's how your client retrieves the packages. |
| 20:54.00 | Wyzard | error403: If you want a command-line program to grab a file from a URL, use wget |
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| 20:54.12 | prog | Yan^, http://www.directron.com/directron/mx40001.html, but I must say, that have no experience with such these dual-heads |
| 20:54.13 | error403 | Wyzard, i dont want to grab the file |
| 20:54.13 | tristux | Yan^, any recent dualhead capable can do the job (enough RAM) matrox are well supported for dualhead |
| 20:54.14 | martinja | Oh :S lftp id command line only? |
| 20:54.16 | djp | help! i have installed debian but my resolution can go no higher than 800x600. infact i only have 2 options 640x480 or 800x600. |
| 20:54.21 | _osh | error403: or curl? |
| 20:54.23 | error403 | Wyzard, i just want to hit the page, then leave it |
| 20:54.29 | bobbens | Yan^: i have radeon 9600, and from what i know nvidia has much better driver support -> mainly more compatibility, and also faster opengl now |
| 20:54.36 | hardcampa- | marinja yeah |
| 20:54.39 | Azar | the only processes I show avalilable to run in inetd is discard , daytime and time |
| 20:54.41 | ribnitz | martinja: yep. |
| 20:54.42 | Wyzard | error403: You mean you want to view the page but not save it to a file? |
| 20:54.49 | martinja | no gui for it? |
| 20:54.53 | error403 | hmmm, if i did wget http://www.myurl.com/index.html /dev/null would that work? |
| 20:54.53 | djp | my graphics card is a nvidia geforce2 mx 400 with 32mb ram |
| 20:54.54 | censor | error403 you can do that with telnet to! |
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| 20:55.01 | hardcampa- | Martinja You can however if you got kde use kasablanca as well |
| 20:55.06 | Wyzard | error403: You could use a text-mode web browser, like elinks |
| 20:55.07 | error403 | Wyzard, censor, if i did wget http://www.myurl.com/index.html /dev/null would that work? |
| 20:55.09 | Yan^ | bobbens: well I have had a look at nvidias |
| 20:55.17 | Wyzard | error403: Probably |
| 20:55.21 | hardcampa- | Martinja or use stunnel to set up a ssl proxy then any app going through it can use ssl |
| 20:55.29 | error403 | Wyzard, i am trying to run as a cron job.... |
| 20:55.29 | censor | error403 use the --dump parameter so that the page is not downloaded ... best used with > /dev/null then |
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| 20:55.37 | error403 | Wyzard, i am trying to run as a cron job.... |
| 20:55.43 | error403 | censor, cron job... |
| 20:55.48 | martinja | kasablanca, hmmm, is that a gui extension or a standalone |
| 20:55.49 | error403 | sorry Wyzard |
| 20:55.56 | error403 | hmm |
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| 20:56.07 | bobbens | Yan^: you can also use 2 graphic cards with xinerama to have 2 screens. When i have more free time i'm going to try to add a 128 rage pro to have 3 screens :P |
| 20:56.10 | censor | error403 wget --dump http://www.server.com/page.html > /dev/null |
| 20:56.20 | hardcampa- | martinja it's a kde app |
| 20:56.22 | viper | if I wanna use poptop do I need to compile something in the kernel or use a mod .. if I do not need an encryption ? |
| 20:56.28 | Epod69 | websdale, everytime click to enable sounds in gnibbles, when i click close and go back to it, the sounds option got unchecked, you know why this is ? |
| 20:56.30 | ribnitz | Azar: netstat -at |grep \* , I have printer, 932, sunrpc, auth, ipp,smtmp,gdomap distcc, and ssh |
| 20:56.40 | censor | Wyzard counter, update a database, etc ... |
| 20:56.43 | error403 | ok, thanks censor |
| 20:56.45 | Azar | ok ribnitz |
| 20:56.51 | Yan^ | bobbens:the first nvidia supporting 2048*1536/85 is 165 dollars, which is actually the price or\f matrox millennium 660... |
| 20:56.52 | censor | error403 noprob, yw |
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| 20:57.24 | trueno | !wdmLogin-config |
| 20:57.27 | Yan^ | bobbens: so you are actually uising 2 screens? |
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| 20:57.34 | daxiang | Azar: I think you should take a deeper look at this howto: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 20:57.37 | Azar | ribnitz: hmmp-ind, time, discard, daytime, sunrpc, auth and ssh |
| 20:57.39 | ribnitz | Yan^: what screen size does that translate to? 24"? |
| 20:57.44 | jair | guys if I have a pentium mobile intel processor 1.6 Ghz with a centrino technology minipci iw2100 |
| 20:57.51 | jair | what kernel I should use? |
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| 20:58.04 | Yan^ | ribnitz: 20 or 21 CRT |
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| 20:58.11 | bobbens | Yan^: yes with dual head on my radeon. i dont know if it handles that high resolution |
| 20:58.28 | ribnitz | jair: 2.6.10 or 11 (kernel-image-.. |
| 20:58.28 | Yan^ | bobbens: which radeon? |
| 20:58.35 | ecobit | jair: 686 |
| 20:58.38 | bobbens | Yan^: well you should look up the HCL in linuxquestions.org to see what cards have had the least problems |
| 20:58.47 | martinja | are you sure its spellt kasablanca? |
| 20:58.48 | Epod69 | do i want full duplex on? and should i run at highest priority ? |
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| 20:58.50 | bobbens | Yan^: radeon 9600 (version with 256 mb ram) |
| 20:58.51 | ribnitz | Azar: dont know hmmp-ind, rest ias ok. |
| 20:58.52 | censor | my ppp0 interface doesn't go down after my provider disconnects me, it just stays up and i can't reconnect ... how can i fix this? |
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| 20:58.57 | bobbens | Yan^: its about 70 euros now |
| 20:59.04 | ecobit | censor: poff -a |
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| 20:59.09 | Yan^ | bobbens: isee, mine is 9200 |
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| 20:59.25 | daxiang | well folks, i gotta go. |
| 20:59.25 | websdale | Epod69:no,I don't - in Kcontrol try going into sound system & do "test sound" |
| 20:59.30 | ecobit | censor: pppconfig | advanced options | turn off persist mode |
| 20:59.31 | censor | ecobit i want it to do it automatically, without any user actions |
| 20:59.43 | censor | ecobit tnx, i take a look |
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| 20:59.53 | Azar | ribniz, I hardly use X, I do not use mail, I do not use messenger and I do not use irc yet. all I do is idle in terminal and maybe use the vi editor with my studies. I have no idea why my box will get connected or connect with no reason |
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| 21:00.07 | Yan^ | bobbens: but actually if I am sure that say matrox for 160 dollars is much better than the ones which you cite I would buy, only I would lik to know what real advantages I wil have |
| 21:00.08 | VallejoDAcrest | hey- i just got my wireless working |
| 21:00.21 | VallejoDAcrest | i have a atheros orinco a/b/g |
| 21:00.23 | bobbens | Yan^: i have dual head working with the ati propietary drivers and they worked out of the box. |
| 21:00.27 | Epod69 | websdale, there is no test sound, should i have system bell on too ? |
| 21:00.28 | VallejoDAcrest | how do i get kismet wokring?: |
| 21:00.38 | VallejoDAcrest | and- what is wireless a? |
| 21:01.10 | dbeal | thanks debian |
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| 21:01.24 | bobbens | Yan^: i dont know much about cards, just that nvidia beat ati big time in opengl areas, since you dont need fast opengl, just multi-head support i have no idea what cards would be good for you. Try checking the HCL (hardware compatibility list) in www.linuxquestions.org . It sometimes helps |
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| 21:01.31 | websdale | Epod69:in "sound system" there is a "test sound" button |
| 21:01.33 | Yan^ | bobbens: what d u mean by "worked out of the box" |
| 21:01.40 | chacho | i got a question about apache |
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| 21:01.48 | chacho | can i set up a webserver on my comp if i have a dynamic IP? |
| 21:01.51 | ribnitz | hypermedia management protocol.. |
| 21:01.57 | ecobit | chacho: yep |
| 21:01.59 | bobbens | Yan^: no need to modify manually the XF86Config-4 file after running the ATI configuration tool |
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| 21:02.02 | Virtual | Can anybody point me out to where I can get VMWare and a guide please? |
| 21:02.03 | chacho | cool |
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| 21:02.10 | ecobit | chacho: get a dyndns account and install ddclient |
| 21:02.20 | chacho | ok thanks |
| 21:02.23 | Epod69 | when i hit apply i got, sound server information, error while initializing the sound driver: device: default cant be opened for playback (Device or resource busy) The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
| 21:02.23 | prog | Virtual, www.vmware.com ? |
| 21:02.40 | Wyzard | chacho: (Note that you don't *need* DynDNS just to set up a server... it's just a convenience so you don't have to keep track of your IP address.) |
| 21:02.43 | robert | chacho, try zoneedit.com too |
| 21:02.48 | robert | up to 5 free zones |
| 21:03.01 | nvz | Yan^: I seen a month or two ago arsenal had an nvidia 5600 w/tv tuner, and vga, svideo out, and dvi for like $64USD |
| 21:03.05 | chacho | ok |
| 21:03.06 | prog | Epod69, use lsof to figure out which app is using device |
| 21:03.07 | chacho | thanks guys |
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| 21:03.31 | Yan^ | bobbens: isee. what mode d you use? one display over two screens? |
| 21:03.38 | nvz | I need a half way decent video card myself, and thats what I was looking at. its the most bang for the buck I've seen anywhere |
| 21:03.38 | ecobit | Epod69: lsof | grep dsp |
| 21:03.50 | error403 | I am planning on adding a cronjob to automatically update my dynamic DNS every 10 mins... What user should it be running as? |
| 21:03.51 | Epod69 | ecobit, yea thanx..that was huge |
| 21:03.54 | viper | if I wanna use poptop do I need to compile something in the kernel or use a mod .. if I do not need an encryption ? |
| 21:04.09 | bobbens | Yan^: yeah, but i've also tried mirror (for a different set up) and both work fine |
| 21:04.10 | Wyzard | viper: What is poptop? |
| 21:04.27 | Epod69 | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() reiserfs file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 21:04.28 | Epod69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.30 | Epod69 | esd 3563 jesse 5w CHR 14,3 4662 /dev/dsp |
| 21:04.39 | VallejoDAcrest | in kismet- when i try to start it up: i get this error |
| 21:04.41 | VallejoDAcrest | Suid priv-dropping disabled. This may not be secure. |
| 21:04.41 | VallejoDAcrest | fatal__: Unable to set up pidfile /var/run//kismet_server.pid, couldn't open for writing: Permission deniedWaiting for server to start before starting UI... |
| 21:04.51 | Yan^ | bobbens: no problem with moving your mouse pointer from one screen to another? or losing some icones? |
| 21:04.52 | prog | Epod69: stop esd daemon |
| 21:05.02 | ecobit | Epod69: what are you trying to do? get sound to play? |
| 21:05.13 | jair | ecobit, I am using sarge now that is stable |
| 21:05.19 | ecobit | Epod69: i don't use esd or artsd or any of that shit |
| 21:05.22 | Epod69 | ecobit..yea, kde app doesnt play, neither does java |
| 21:05.24 | bobbens | Yan^: havent experienced anything like that. just the tipical opengl on both screens messes it up and some sdl apps make the second screen go black |
| 21:05.34 | ecobit | Epod69: killall esd |
| 21:05.35 | jair | ribnitz, I am using the kernel 2.6 sarge |
| 21:05.48 | ecobit | Epod69: what sound module you using? |
| 21:05.54 | viper | Wyzard poptop pptpd vpn server |
| 21:05.58 | Epod69 | ecobit, i should be using alsa |
| 21:06.16 | ecobit | Epod69: what ARE you using? lsmod | less to see the list |
| 21:06.39 | error403 | I am planning on adding a cronjob to automatically update my dynamic DNS every 10 mins... What user should it be running as? |
| 21:06.40 | Epod69 | ecobit, are you in #flood, ill post it there |
| 21:06.57 | ecobit | Epod69: just look through the ouput for the module for your card. what is it? |
| 21:07.06 | jair | ecobit, sound logic, I was using the kernel 386 this kernel should make the computer run faster or something like that? |
| 21:07.22 | ecobit | jair: ? |
| 21:07.31 | Epod69 | snd_intel8x0 ? |
| 21:07.39 | ribnitz | jair: use the kernel optimised for your cpu, which would be like 686.. |
| 21:07.43 | Epod69 | snd_ac97_codec this one too ? |
| 21:07.53 | ecobit | only the first |
| 21:07.54 | prog | error403, run it as user which has access your zone files and what more, run as user which can restart named |
| 21:07.57 | Yan^ | bobbens: soorry I have lost the name of the chart. you were talking about radeon ATI 9660, right? |
| 21:08.02 | Wyzard | viper: It doesn't appear to be packaged in Debian, but the website has a sample modules.conf saying what kernel modules you need |
| 21:08.12 | bobbens | Yan^: 9600 |
| 21:08.14 | Wyzard | viper: If you don't need PPTP specifically, you might want to take a look at OpenVPN |
| 21:08.15 | websdale | ecobit:I think its difficult to avoid "using" arts if you use KDE |
| 21:08.21 | error403 | prog, why do they need to restart named? |
| 21:08.22 | ecobit | Epod69: i'm pretty sure that's the OSS driver, not alsa. alsa is i810_audio |
| 21:08.28 | jair | ribnitz, nice, so my question is what is the difference between the other one the 386 and the 1686?? will make it run fatser avoid errors? |
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| 21:08.32 | ecobit | websdale: bullcrap |
| 21:08.55 | error403 | prog, i am only running this, so that it gets a url that sets a new IP address for the DynamicDNS... |
| 21:08.56 | websdale | ecobit:what do you do then? |
| 21:08.59 | ecobit | Epod69: run aumix in a termial |
| 21:09.02 | Led_Zeppelin | i am using tripwire, and I can't seem to email myself when a alter has occured...can someone please show me a their sample cfg file? |
| 21:09.02 | prog | error403, probably you needn`t to restart it ( if you say ) |
| 21:09.03 | Epod69 | ecobit...grrrr, i wish i could just remove all oss crap and put in the alsa ones i need.... |
| 21:09.04 | tristux | viper, openvpn is great stuff for doing vpn job, even behind a bunch of router/gateways |
| 21:09.05 | Yan^ | bobbens: and for example did you have probs with editing files on one monitor and another apps on another (say, movie)? |
| 21:09.09 | ecobit | websdale: turn off the sound server in kde control panel |
| 21:09.11 | Epod69 | aumix not found |
| 21:09.19 | ribnitz | jair: (supposing we are not talking smp here), it wil lgive a performance boost of 2-3%,# |
| 21:09.24 | Wyzard | error403: apt-cache show ez-ipupdate |
| 21:09.24 | tristux | viper, and openvpn can run on windows machines as a service |
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| 21:09.35 | jair | ribnitz, I was using this one before ---> kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. now I will install and use this one -->kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4. |
| 21:09.37 | ecobit | Epod69: rmmod snd_intel8x0; modprobe i810_audio |
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| 21:09.47 | Gskillet | Anyone know how to get the hostap drivers to support monitor mode? (trying to use KISMET) |
| 21:09.48 | ecobit | add the later to /etc/modules and run update-modules |
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| 21:09.58 | jair | ribnitz, nice my friend good to know |
| 21:10.05 | bobbens | Yan^: no, unless they both use opengl, or using fullscreen sdl. For example i can have a terminal on each and both work. |
| 21:10.09 | jair | yes the smp is a xeon or something like that? |
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| 21:10.15 | error403 | Could somebody please tell me how i need to start a file for it to run properly as a shell script? |
| 21:10.22 | jair | ribnitz, I have is a simple R51 laptop |
| 21:10.37 | ecobit | Gskillet: something like iwpriv wlan0 host_roaming 1 i think. or one of the other switches |
| 21:10.38 | jair | resiak, hello my good friend |
| 21:10.39 | tristux | error403, just chmod +x /that/file |
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| 21:11.03 | error403 | tristux, dont i need a special line at the beginning so that it knows it is a shell script? |
| 21:11.09 | ribnitz | jair: I run kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp (P4,3.2Ghz) |
| 21:11.10 | Gskillet | ecobit: ok ill test it out |
| 21:11.12 | Epod69 | it says its in use |
| 21:11.15 | jair | resiak, I did the installation of the kernel and the mplayer but I am trying to install the gui that allows me to run mplayer from the menu and also stop, play pause etc... |
| 21:11.18 | Yan^ | bobbens: I have checked ATI 9660XT, it seems to be expensive, about 200 doll. is it this one u use? |
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| 21:11.20 | prog | error403, chmod 755 file |
| 21:11.20 | Wyzard | error403: Use an update client such as ez-ipupdate rather than your GET cronjob... it's a lot simpler, and will update your IP as soon as it changes |
| 21:11.29 | bobbens | Yan^: no i use the 9600 cheap one |
| 21:11.30 | ecobit | Epod69: yeah you've got to kill any processes that are using it |
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| 21:11.34 | jair | ribnitz, ohhh i see |
| 21:11.39 | bobbens | Yan^: lemme see if i can find a link or something |
| 21:11.43 | jair | ribnitz, perfect for the future |
| 21:11.48 | tristux | error403, it's not an obligation, but you CAN specify a shell at first line of that file, like #!/bin/bash |
| 21:11.48 | error403 | Wyzard, problem, my computer wont know when it changes - its behind a router |
| 21:12.04 | Epod69 | i killed artsd and it still says its in use |
| 21:12.06 | error403 | ok, thank tristux |
| 21:12.10 | jair | ribnitz, I just have a 1.6Ghz still and my server is a AMD 2500 |
| 21:12.13 | tristux | error403, otherwise it will run with the shell you are using |
| 21:12.14 | Wyzard | error403: ah... and the router doesn't have dynamic DNS update support? |
| 21:12.16 | ecobit | Epod69: did you kill esd? |
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| 21:12.35 | ecobit | Epod69: any any apps that might be using audio |
| 21:12.40 | Epod69 | there is no esd |
| 21:12.44 | jair | ribnitz, I am trying to install the gui of mplayer that le'ts me control it and run it from the k menu |
| 21:12.47 | ribnitz | jair: dont get excited about cpu speed, its not worth it. At work I work on a P3-600 |
| 21:13.00 | error403 | Wyzard, i dont know... its a cheap router.... i am just trying to have a script make sure my Dynamic DNS address is updated every 10 mins |
| 21:13.05 | Yan^ | bobbens: OK I found a cheaprer one svga 128 9600 +dvi+tvout. Ok but only 2048*1536/60 |
| 21:13.07 | Wyzard | error403: That's where it helps to use a Linux box as your router :-) |
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| 21:13.13 | Gskillet | ecobit: i dont see any options, i've only got: force_reset, card_reset, set_port3, get_port3, set_preamble, get_preamble, set_ibssport, get_ibssport, dump_recs |
| 21:13.17 | jair | ribnitz, it is ok I understand I am working on this machines and are decent for what i do |
| 21:13.24 | Yan^ | bobbens: is this what you mean? |
| 21:13.26 | error403 | Wyzard, which means i need a broadband modem, right? |
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| 21:13.36 | ecobit | Gskillet: airsnort is able to put it into that mode |
| 21:13.37 | Epod69 | i had to kill the volume control |
| 21:13.44 | Wyzard | error403: You already have one, presumably... or is it built into the router? |
| 21:13.51 | error403 | Wyzard, built in |
| 21:14.01 | error403 | Wyzard, the router is a modem/switch combo |
| 21:14.02 | Gskillet | ecobit: ok ill try it |
| 21:14.06 | Epod69 | ok, i did modprobe i810_audio , now what |
| 21:14.07 | Wyzard | error403: Maybe you can turn off the router's routing functionality and have it act as a plain bridge? |
| 21:14.07 | bobbens | Yan^: sounds like it, but its 256 mb ram (special one with double ram). Cost me 100 euros like one year back, should be around 70 or so now |
| 21:14.14 | Gskillet | ecobit: will it be a lasting change or only per reboot? |
| 21:14.15 | jair | how could I get the mplayer icon to the kmenu? |
| 21:14.41 | bobbens | Yan^: i thought it had more refresh though |
| 21:14.47 | jair | I did the installation from the dep repository correcly but I do not know what is the package or how to place it on the "kmenu" |
| 21:14.50 | ecobit | Gskillet: not sure. i usually script all my wireless commands |
| 21:15.00 | error403 | Wyzard, i think just using my registrar's dynDNS update URL would work easier for me right now - im not the only one who has to use this network - there be windows boxes afoot! |
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| 21:15.04 | Gskillet | ecobit: i'm not that advanced hah |
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| 21:15.17 | ecobit | Gskillet: make it do exactly what i want when i bring it up and config it |
| 21:15.24 | Wyzard | error403: Personally, I'd sell that cheap router, buy a plain broadband modem, and set up a Linux router |
| 21:15.37 | ecobit | Gskillet: just put the commands in a bash script |
| 21:15.38 | Wyzard | error403: That's the setup I have here at home, and it works fine, even for the Windows boxes on the network |
| 21:15.41 | Gskillet | ecobot: so do you know a script that might put it into monitor mode for me? |
| 21:15.45 | Yan^ | bobbens : This one seems quite nice:SVGA 128Mb <PCI-E> DDR (ATI RADEON X600 Pro) 128bit +DVI+TV Out |
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| 21:16.02 | Yan^ | boo\bbens but u say u have 256? |
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| 21:16.34 | error403 | Wyzard, me too, but there is no point - i am going to university in less than 3 months |
| 21:16.58 | Wyzard | error403: Practice and learning experience is as good a reason as any :-) |
| 21:17.09 | Yan^ | bobbens: at what refresh are u now? |
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| 21:17.23 | error403 | Wyzard, meanwhile breaking the network and pissing off my parents? |
| 21:17.36 | Wyzard | error403: FWIW, I set up my home network back during my freshman year of college, 4.5 years ago, and it's continued to be useful during all that time |
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| 21:17.38 | error403 | and Wyzard, im not made of money... |
| 21:17.42 | Wyzard | error403: You'll be home on breaks and such |
| 21:17.43 | viper | tristux openvpn do I need to compile something in kernel then ? |
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| 21:17.54 | Wyzard | error403: And you only need a cheap old 486 or Pentium for the router box |
| 21:17.54 | error403 | Wyzard, i dont have a spare machine |
| 21:18.00 | bobbens | Yan^: sounds good, theyve gotten alot better since i got my card |
| 21:18.15 | error403 | Wyzard, i DONT have one, and i dont have the £30 it would cost me for the parts... |
| 21:18.15 | ecobit | Gskillet: what exacly is monitor mode? |
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| 21:18.22 | Yan^ | bobbens: 128 though |
| 21:18.27 | Gskillet | ecobit: not sure, something for kismet |
| 21:18.32 | Wyzard | error403: I'd be surprised if it cost that much, but anyway, it's something to think about |
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| 21:18.44 | tristux | viper, no you just need to have, tun and/or tap modules |
| 21:18.46 | ecobit | Gskillet: normally host_roaming is what makes it listen for all available APs |
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| 21:18.57 | error403 | Wyzard, any chance of helping with my current situation/resource though? |
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| 21:19.08 | ecobit | Gskillet: when you're trying to associate it with one specific AP then you want it off |
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| 21:19.34 | Gskillet | ecobit: oh hm |
| 21:19.42 | tristux | viper, a stock kernel should be enough to run it |
| 21:19.47 | ecobit | Gskillet: my understanding is that with it on the card associates to the AP that has the best signal, which may not be the one you want |
| 21:19.53 | Wyzard | error403: If you want to write a shell script, put "#!/bin/bash" on the first line of the file, and make it +x with chmod |
| 21:19.59 | Gskillet | ecobit: how do i set host_roaming |
| 21:20.09 | ecobit | Gskillet: go to #flood |
| 21:20.13 | error403 | ok, thanks Wyzard |
| 21:20.13 | Yan^ | bobbens: sometime they say 1x/4x/8x, and sometimes this thign is just absent |
| 21:20.16 | Gskillet | ecobit: ok |
| 21:20.32 | Yan^ | bobbens: any comments? what should I check for actually? |
| 21:20.52 | ribnitz | HSorgYves: how's things? |
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| 21:21.28 | viper | tristux you have some good man for openvpn for me ?? |
| 21:22.01 | tristux | viper, openvpn.org is for you |
| 21:22.12 | tristux | you'll find everything |
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| 21:22.51 | Epod69 | ecobit, some sounds work..but only like half of them...in kasteroids, there is a sound when the ship explodes...if a messege come up asking if i want to save or discard for the kde control center, a noise comes up, there is no sound for battle ship...i dont have whatever test sound button though |
| 21:22.55 | sushimako | i want to run ifup wlan0=school or ifup wlan0=home and ifup should read from /etc/network/interfaces what essid and wep key to use. what manpage should i read? |
| 21:23.00 | Epod69 | and gnome games dont have sound now |
| 21:23.04 | viper | tristux thnx |
| 21:23.19 | ecobit | Epod69: in kde control center make sure you turn off the sound server |
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| 21:23.31 | Yan^ | bobbens: aa, I see the one I cited was not AGP it was PCI-E does it make a difference? which one would be better? in any case soory for flood |
| 21:23.36 | Blissex | sushimako: 'man 5 interfaces' |
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| 21:23.42 | ecobit | Epod69: and its prolly cause those use KDE sound events instead of their own sounds |
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| 21:23.59 | ecobit | Epod69: tell the apps not to use KDE sound events but their own |
| 21:24.08 | Blissex | sushimako: also, there are a number of other mechanism to support multiple network configurations, many with their own packages. |
| 21:24.20 | sushimako | Blissex, any names? :) |
| 21:24.24 | Epod69 | econbit, i could but i doubt they would listen =P lol, how would i do that |
| 21:24.30 | sushimako | Blissex, already installed guessnet |
| 21:24.33 | bobbens | Yan^: doing 60 on both, because my primary is LCD. could push it up i guess, but didnt really want to when i configured it |
| 21:24.33 | Blissex | sushimako: but 'ifup' is not too bad... Even if I rewrote it |
| 21:24.54 | sushimako | # ifup wlan0=school |
| 21:24.54 | sushimako | Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=school. |
| 21:24.56 | Blissex | sushimako: Well, for example if you use KDE there is KWiFiManager... |
| 21:24.56 | sushimako | :\ |
| 21:25.14 | Blissex | sushimako: 'ifup wlan0=wlan0-school' |
| 21:25.25 | mikaEL` | why isn't mplayer included in the deb packages ?? |
| 21:25.27 | Yan^ | bobbens: do u have dvi+crt out? my actual radeon has crt+ a dvi which can not be made crt |
| 21:25.31 | Blissex | sushimako: thats an undocumented trick. |
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| 21:26.11 | appaji | from its description, kernel-image-2.6-686 is a dummy package that just depends on the latest 2.6 kernel |
| 21:26.12 | Epod69 | how do i start the gnome sound server |
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| 21:26.24 | masoft | !tell mikaEL` about mplayer |
| 21:26.26 | Epod69 | and how do i use the kde stuff under the gnome sound server |
| 21:26.32 | ecobit | Epod69: DONT RUN THE SOUND SERVERS! |
| 21:26.35 | Blissex | sushimako: you are supposed to use something like 'mapping' and 'script'. |
| 21:26.39 | maher | mikaEL`: licensing issues - but tere shold be a version in unstable and marillat has all the codecs |
| 21:26.44 | appaji | but on my (up-to-date) unstable machine kernel-image-2.6-686 depends on kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 rather than on kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686, any idea why? |
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| 21:26.48 | Epod69 | ecobit, not even the gnome one!? |
| 21:27.01 | ecobit | Epod69: NO |
| 21:27.02 | Blissex | appaji: probably because it is newer... |
| 21:27.04 | appaji | would this be a bug worth reportbug-ing? :) |
| 21:27.10 | Epod69 | if you dont, then doesnt that mean you can only use the sound device with one thing |
| 21:27.16 | weedmann | i did apt-get install kde and apt-get install kdm but it still wont start |
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| 21:27.19 | ecobit | Epod69: apt-get remove --purge them all |
| 21:27.21 | Epod69 | and why would they have the sound server if it is bad |
| 21:27.30 | appaji | Blissex: because kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 is newer? |
| 21:27.31 | Blissex | Epod69: wait a second for a link... |
| 21:27.38 | appaji | Blissex: than kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 :-/ |
| 21:27.44 | trave11er | appaji: because kernel-image-2.6 depends on the latest kernel-image for your falvour? |
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| 21:27.54 | ecobit | Epod69: because they're confusing and you don't need them |
| 21:28.06 | error403 | I dont believe it - i go to all the effort to make sure my DynamicDNS doesnt break, and my ISP has decided to give me a static IP... |
| 21:28.07 | error403 | :/ |
| 21:28.10 | Wyzard | Epod69: Sound servers are a hack to work around a limitation of some (mostly older) sound cards |
| 21:28.12 | trave11er | appaji: 2.6.11 is not available in sarge |
| 21:28.12 | appaji | trave11er: my flavour of what? |
| 21:28.25 | Blissex | Epod69: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 read the sharing and the apps config sections. |
| 21:28.32 | drac | appaji: Because Debian considers 2.6.8 with it's own patches to be more stable and most of all secure than 2.6.11.. since 2.6.8 was kernel just released with Debian Stable? (Just guessing.) |
| 21:28.35 | trave11er | appaji: -686 is a flavour |
| 21:28.37 | ribnitz | any tips on a good musik-file-management tool. mostly oggs, a few mp3s. |
| 21:28.38 | Wyzard | Epod69: If your sound card is natively capable of playing sound from multiple sources, (such as all SB Live and Audigy cards), don't bother with a sound server |
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| 21:28.51 | ribnitz | should interface to xmms |
| 21:29.00 | Blissex | Epod69: it is mostly, but not entirely true that the main function of sound servers is sharing as Wyzard says. |
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| 21:29.12 | DexterF | hi |
| 21:29.13 | Wyzard | Blissex: I said main, not only |
| 21:29.16 | Blissex | Epod69: some sound servers also can do extensive postprocessing of sound, like JACK. |
| 21:29.26 | Blissex | Wyzard: and I agreed... |
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| 21:29.33 | ecobit | Epod69: and my card isn't and i still don't care because i only listen to sound from one thing at a time anyway |
| 21:29.59 | Epod69 | mine is this: |
| 21:30.01 | Epod69 | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 12) |
| 21:30.10 | Blissex | Epod69: bus EsounD is not awesomely good for that. |
| 21:30.27 | DexterF | running sarge, want to install the src for kwin-baghira. now "apt-get source kwin-baghira" returns E: can't find src package |
| 21:30.28 | Epod69 | do you know if that supports multiple sources |
| 21:30.31 | Blissex | Epod69: just use the ALSA sharing stuff in the link above... |
| 21:30.37 | AlexanRO | just installed sarge, system sound works but if I try to play from xmms or amarok i errors, how do I resolve |
| 21:30.37 | appaji | drac: 2.6.11 has been in sarge for a while, afaik, so I doubt it. |
| 21:30.42 | DexterF | same when adding -t testing. what am I doing wrong? |
| 21:30.57 | drac | appaji: 2.6.11 is not in Sarge, and never will be. |
| 21:31.03 | viper | tristux openvpn works for windows clients too ? |
| 21:31.06 | tristux | DexterF, do you have some deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.conf ? |
| 21:31.09 | ecobit | Blissex: so would you recommend one sound server over the others? |
| 21:31.11 | Blissex | AlexanRO: very vague question, consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 |
| 21:31.11 | maher | DexterF: do you have a source line in sources.list |
| 21:31.12 | Wyzard | viper: yes |
| 21:31.19 | Wyzard | viper: in 2k and above |
| 21:31.23 | AlexanRO | ty |
| 21:31.26 | appaji | drac: in any case, I would expect that there be a kernel-image-stable-2.6-686 and kernel-image-2.6-686 if *that* kind of distinction was to be made. |
| 21:31.31 | tristux | viper, openvpn works as win client or server |
| 21:31.38 | appaji | ... or the description of kernel-image-2.6-686 is incorrect :) |
| 21:31.39 | Blissex | AlexanRO: also, read the troubleshooting section of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 it almost always works |
| 21:31.43 | viper | Wyzard openvpn says this at startup Starting virtual private network daemon: FAILED-> openvpn. |
| 21:31.46 | Wyzard | viper: Maybe NT4 too; I'm not sure |
| 21:31.53 | Wyzard | viper: You have to configure it first |
| 21:31.54 | viper | Wyzard I used the minihowto to kick off |
| 21:31.59 | appaji | drac: Yikes, you are right, it wasn't in sarge. |
| 21:32.06 | viper | Wyzard I use xp so that`ll be alright |
| 21:32.09 | Wyzard | viper: It fails to start because you haven't defined any VPNs |
| 21:32.26 | DexterF | tristux, maher: heck yes, forgot to add testing src lines - thanks for the hint :} |
| 21:32.29 | Blissex | ecobit: I personally dont recommend any sound servers for orginary use. JACK perhaps for sophisticated use. aRts and EsounD (I hate these stupid capitalizaion tricks) are not that useful with one exception. |
| 21:32.30 | viper | Wyzard how do I define a vpn .. I did exacly what the mini howto instructed |
| 21:32.51 | Wyzard | viper: Write a config file in /etc/openvpn... the documentation should tell you the options |
| 21:32.53 | tristux | viper, read the docs and configure it before using it! |
| 21:33.02 | Blissex | ecobit: the exception is that aRts actually includes several ''decoding'' plugins, like for MP3 and OGG, and some nice KDE apps rely on aRts as a decoding backend. |
| 21:33.11 | tristux | viper, look in /usr/share/doc/openvpn/ |
| 21:33.47 | tristux | viper, you'll find everything for setting it up (especially scripts for keys creation) |
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| 21:34.05 | bobbens | Yan^: i use vga and dvi (with dvi to vga adapter) |
| 21:34.08 | ecobit | Blissex: but when you run an app that doesn't use arts then you are screwed, right? if artsd is running an i open xine, xine gets no audio |
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| 21:34.44 | Blissex | ecobit: no, you are not screwed of course. If both aRts and and app use ALSA with the sound sharing plugins they can both play at the same time. |
| 21:34.59 | Gskillet | How do I kill an instance of cardmgr? |
| 21:35.23 | Blissex | ecobit: as far as the ALSA sharing plugins ('dmix' and 'dsnoop') are concerned, they allow sharing of all apps, and aRts is just an ordinary app. |
| 21:35.33 | Wyzard | Gskillet: /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop, IIRC |
| 21:35.35 | ecobit | Blissex: hmm i didn't know about the sound sharing plugins for alsa. usually on this box artsd precludes many other things from playing soungs |
| 21:35.42 | Gskillet | wyzard thx |
| 21:35.45 | Wyzard | Gskillet: The script might have a different name, like "pcmcia-cs" or something |
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| 21:35.59 | Gskillet | wyzard: ok, i just want to restart it really, is this the best way |
| 21:36.09 | Yan^ | bobbens: ok. could u cite me the full name of the card? i get a lot of versions of 9600 |
| 21:36.13 | gtlarue | I am having a peculiar problem installing debian from cd |
| 21:36.14 | Blissex | ecobit: you need to make sure that there is an '/etc/asound.conf' that specifies the sharing plugins and both aRts and Xine are configured for ALSA, and specify the virtual device with the sharing plugin. |
| 21:36.16 | Wyzard | Gskillet: Yes, initscripts are the correct way to start, stop, and restart services |
| 21:36.26 | Wyzard | Gskillet: If you want to restart it, say "restart" rather than "stop" |
| 21:36.34 | Gskillet | wyzard: ok cool |
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| 21:37.08 | Blissex | ecobit: have a nice look at the http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 page, the sharing section and the app config sections, it explains every detail and has a pointer to a a sample 'asound.conf' that should work on almost every machine. |
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| 21:37.12 | gtlarue | I do the base install from booting with the cdrom, that part goes ok, but then I reboot to do the rest of the install, I get to the part where I create a root password, then the letters on my keyboard dont work |
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| 21:37.39 | Gskillet | I'm trying to upgrade firmware on a wireless card, I keep getting: Missing wlan component info |
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| 21:37.45 | gtlarue | I thought that was pretty strange, especially since the keys work during the first part of the install that boots off the cd |
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| 21:37.55 | Wyzard | gtlarue: Are you aware that the password prompt intentionally doesn't show what you type? |
| 21:38.11 | maher | gtlarue: what exactly happens? |
| 21:38.20 | error403 | Wyzard, LMAO |
| 21:38.29 | gtlarue | I can get all the way to the part where I tyoe a root password fine |
| 21:38.41 | Whisky_ | Can anyone please assist me? I am having a HARD time getting GD Image Library to work for the last 4 days :( |
| 21:38.43 | gtlarue | but when it comes time to type the password, I type it and hit enter |
| 21:38.48 | TwistedEmotions | Why doesnt kernel.org just release debain packages too? |
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| 21:39.03 | gtlarue | and it says something like "an ampty password is not secure!" |
| 21:39.10 | maher | TwistedEmotions: isn't there a deb target in the kernel tarballs? |
| 21:39.15 | strk | do you have any hint on hot to start configuring a dialin server with an isdn modem ? |
| 21:39.24 | gtlarue | strange, the letters on my keyboard dont work after that reboot during the install process |
| 21:39.31 | Whisky_ | QUESTION:> Can anyone please assist me? I am having a HARD time getting GD Image Library to work for the last 4 days and Im sick and tired :O |
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| 21:39.34 | TwistedEmotions | maher: I dont think so... |
| 21:39.36 | maher | gtlarue: usb keyboard? |
| 21:39.38 | strk | it seems that ATA and ATH1 and some other things I new don't work in the ISDN world |
| 21:39.39 | ecobit | Blissex: thanks i will |
| 21:39.39 | gtlarue | laptop |
| 21:39.42 | Wyzard | error403: There was someone here the other day who was trying to figure out why his root directory was not writable, and it turned out to be that he didn't know non-root users don't have write permission for system directories |
| 21:39.47 | TwistedEmotions | maher: if there is I dont have it in my sources files.. |
| 21:39.57 | martinja | is this wrong? cp /music /home/martin/music ? |
| 21:40.02 | maher | TwistedEmotions: there's an rpm target... anyway debian adds / subtracts its own patches... |
| 21:40.06 | Blissex | Whisky_: please consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 as to how to ask better question... |
| 21:40.11 | gtlarue | I think its weird how I can type letters fine when it boots from the cd but after the reboot they stop working |
| 21:40.21 | Whisky_ | wtf? :\ |
| 21:40.30 | Wyzard | gtlarue: Do you have an unusual keyboard of some sort? |
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| 21:40.35 | maher | gtlarue: what model |
| 21:40.37 | pere | ot |
| 21:40.38 | error403 | Wyzard, simple mistake for a Windows convert |
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| 21:40.41 | TwistedEmotions | maher: so I cant use apt to get the unstable kernels from kernels.org right? |
| 21:40.41 | martinja | When I do that it says omitting directory music |
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| 21:40.45 | gtlarue | Dell inspiron 8200 |
| 21:40.49 | martinja | Why is that? |
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| 21:40.52 | blackout | does rndc need to be running for bind9 to be running? |
| 21:40.54 | Whisky_ | Blissex: I know i'm being lame but late night work like today (2:41 am) for the last 4 days to get GD is too much :S |
| 21:40.58 | error403 | Wyzard, you think sometimes people should have stayed windows/mac ? |
| 21:40.59 | maher | TwistedEmotions: no but you can just dl them and use make-kpkg on them |
| 21:41.16 | TwistedEmotions | maher: heh... too lazy ;) |
| 21:41.18 | thingfish | martinja: man cp. You probably want the recursive switch. |
| 21:41.20 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Not directly from kernel.org, but new kernel releases are usually packaged in Debian before long |
| 21:41.20 | maher | martinja: cp -a |
| 21:41.27 | Blissex | Whisky_: OK, that's special circumstances, ill be tolerant. |
| 21:41.49 | Blissex | Whisky_: the GD library however is trivially easy to install and get to work. So what's the problem? |
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| 21:41.51 | martinja | thx |
| 21:41.52 | Whisky_ | Blissex: thank you |
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| 21:41.55 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: yeah well then you have to find them ;( |
| 21:42.00 | martinja | It seems to have started |
| 21:42.04 | martinja | this will take a while |
| 21:42.08 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: That's easy... apt-cache search kernel-source |
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| 21:42.30 | gtlarue | is it possible to configure the keyboard manually after doing the base install, then launch the next portion of the install later? |
| 21:42.45 | Whisky_ | Blissex: So? Any suggestions, tips, tricks? |
| 21:42.46 | gtlarue | I just want to be able to set the root password and stuff |
| 21:42.47 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: thanks.. |
| 21:42.57 | floppyears | hi |
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| 21:43.09 | floppyears | is there any reason why NOT to use sudo ? |
| 21:43.18 | Blissex | Whisky_: as I said, it is trivial to install it, and easy to use it, so unless you have a specific problem it is hard to imagine what a problem could be. |
| 21:43.22 | galois | what can cause local interface not to work? |
| 21:43.27 | maher | gtlarue: do ctrl-alt-f2 when you hit this problem - can you type on the console |
| 21:43.59 | maher | gtlarue: are you trying to install over a previous install? |
| 21:44.07 | gtlarue | ill try that |
| 21:44.16 | gtlarue | yeah, installing from a demudi cd this time |
| 21:44.17 | maher | galois: does lo show up in ifconfig? if not try ifup lo |
| 21:44.22 | gtlarue | ill be back in a bit guys |
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| 21:44.37 | galois | maher: it is up, but can't ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:44.48 | Whisky_ | Blissex: Coppermine Gallery says its not installed although it is. gdlib-config lists the GD menu. Ive edited php.ini to load the extensions and have restarted Apache a couple of times. None worked. |
| 21:44.49 | maher | gtlarue: in my experience some times the installer fails if there is a pre-existing /etc/passwd or shadow |
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| 21:45.08 | maher | galois: check the routing table with route -n |
| 21:45.28 | maher | gtlarue: try deleting everythin in /etc and trying again |
| 21:45.40 | galois | maher: route -n 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 21:45.48 | maher | galois: just route -n |
| 21:46.34 | Epod69 | sorry, that alsa page makes no sense to me, also, when i checked /proc/asound/cards, i had the following: --- no soundcards --- , im guessing this could be causing the problem... |
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| 21:47.00 | Blissex | Whisky_: none worked as to what? |
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| 21:47.34 | galois | maher: nothing about localhost there |
| 21:47.40 | Whisky_ | Blissex: None of the things I tried could get GD running as per wanted by the gallery. |
| 21:47.49 | Blissex | Whisky_: also, how did you install GD? Just the Debian package? |
| 21:47.59 | DexterF | !dpkg compile stuff on kde |
| 21:48.01 | Whisky_ | Blissex: yeah |
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| 21:48.10 | maher | galois: paste the output of ifconfig in #flood |
| 21:48.13 | Blissex | Whisky_: so your problem is that you would like this package called Coppermine Gallery to be able to use the GD library? |
| 21:48.26 | Whisky_ | Blissex: exactly |
| 21:48.31 | DexterF | how i use the dpkg bot? i tried !dpkg and /msg, both won't work |
| 21:48.38 | galois | maher: done |
| 21:48.45 | Blissex | Whisky_: if you do 'locate libgd.so' whats the output? |
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| 21:49.22 | maher | DexterF: /msg dpkg help |
| 21:49.26 | Blissex | Whisky_: does it list the library? |
| 21:49.43 | Whisky_ | 4 lines |
| 21:49.45 | Whisky_ | #flood |
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| 21:50.03 | maher | galois: paste ifconfig as well |
| 21:50.06 | Whisky_ | Blissex: #flood |
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| 21:50.17 | Blissex | Whisky_: OK,. in a sec |
| 21:50.26 | Whisky_ | k |
| 21:51.07 | Blissex | Whisky_: actually its better if you use a paste site. Like http://tinyurl.com/72ype |
| 21:51.28 | Whisky_ | ermm k |
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| 21:52.36 | paster | "Whisky_" at 203.128.5.7 pasted "GD" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/216 |
| 21:52.43 | Whisky_ | Blissex... |
| 21:53.11 | Blissex | Whisky_: thats good. |
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| 21:53.24 | Gskillet | Has anyone gotten FakeAP to work? Wont run .pl script, keeps saying: ./fakeap.pl: line 19: use: command not found |
| 21:53.30 | Blissex | Whisky_: now wait a sec... |
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| 21:53.37 | Whisky_ | k |
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| 21:54.10 | Blissex | Whisky_: run 'apt-get install libgd-tools' |
| 21:54.24 | Whisky_ | done |
| 21:54.25 | Blissex | Whisky_: also, reveal how you installed this Coppermine Gallery. |
| 21:55.01 | Whisky_ | Blissex: unzip, point browser to http://localhost/gallery/install.php |
| 21:55.03 | Blissex | Whisky_: now paste the output of 'ldd /usr/bin/pngtogd' |
| 21:55.04 | Whisky_ | rest is fine |
| 21:55.17 | Whisky_ | but when an image is uploaded, it wont be displayed coz it cant be thumbnailed |
| 21:55.32 | Blissex | Whisky_: uh that installation method is dodgy like hell. |
| 21:55.46 | paster | "Whisky_" at 203.128.5.7 pasted "GD" (16 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/217 |
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| 21:56.40 | Blissex | Whisky_: if you notice the line «libgd.so.2 => /usr/lib/libgd.so.2 (0x4001d000)» says that the GD library has been found, so as expected it is correctly installed and will work. |
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| 21:56.52 | Blissex | Whisky_: the problem is either PHP or the gallery. |
| 21:56.56 | Whisky_ | I just hope |
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| 21:57.03 | Blissex | Whisky_: which PHP package has been installed? |
| 21:57.30 | Whisky_ | PHP 4.3.10-15 (cli) (built: May 9 2005 08:54:56) |
| 21:57.46 | Blissex | Whisky_: was this installer from a Debian package? Which one? |
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| 21:57.56 | Whisky_ | apt-get install php4 |
| 21:58.00 | Whisky_ | u can test it |
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| 21:58.07 | Whisky_ | php4 is working finr |
| 21:58.17 | Whisky_ | http://70.85.129.153/test.php |
| 21:58.23 | Blissex | Whisky_: problem is if it has been built for GD support. |
| 21:58.53 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hey guys, does anyone here have a Marvell Yukon Gigabit ethernet driver? |
| 21:59.00 | Blissex | Whisky_: that has got '--with-gd=shared,/usr' which sounds OK. |
| 21:59.02 | Evil_Pink_Robot | sorry, ethernet card |
| 21:59.12 | Wyzard | GD support is in a separate package, php4-gd |
| 21:59.12 | Whisky_ | hmm |
| 21:59.19 | martinja | How does one move a folders location via shell? |
| 21:59.21 | Whisky_ | Wyzard: have that installed. |
| 21:59.24 | marstewel | Blissex: php4-gd |
| 21:59.25 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 21:59.37 | DexterF | nope, can't get dpkg to tell me: when compiling qt-apps, there was some parameter I have to pass but I can't remember. anyone know? |
| 21:59.39 | Blissex | marstewel: ahhh I suspected that... |
| 21:59.41 | Wyzard | martinja: mv |
| 21:59.47 | Whisky_ | Blissex: its installed. |
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| 22:00.06 | Blissex | marstewel: I am just checking every little bit... |
| 22:00.20 | martinja | cheers |
| 22:00.33 | Blissex | Whisky_: now lets unleash the power of 'ldd' again. wait a sec. |
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| 22:01.28 | Whisky_ | kk |
| 22:01.54 | Blissex | Whisky_: which apache have you got? |
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| 22:02.25 | Blissex | Whisky_: no prob, its in the web page, wait |
| 22:02.36 | Whisky_ | 1.3.x |
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| 22:02.50 | Whisky_ | kk |
| 22:02.52 | Gandalfar | where can I find basedebs.tar for sarge? |
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| 22:03.37 | LinuxNIT | is there a way to start a new session for another user 2 while user 1 has the screen locked wihtout loggin user 1 out? |
| 22:04.10 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: xscreensaver has a "new login" button on its password-prompt window |
| 22:04.28 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: though it might only appear if you're using a display manager, I dunno |
| 22:04.29 | solemnwarning | startx -- :1 vt8 |
| 22:04.39 | solemnwarning | run that as user2 |
| 22:04.42 | solemnwarning | from a shell |
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| 22:05.00 | LinuxNIT | how do i get the new login button? |
| 22:05.08 | LinuxNIT | on the xscreen saver |
| 22:05.18 | Blissex | Whisky_: wait... |
| 22:05.36 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: I didn't have to do anything special on my system for it to appear |
| 22:05.40 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: I use GDM though |
| 22:05.43 | LinuxNIT | hmm |
| 22:05.45 | LinuxNIT | so do i |
| 22:05.50 | Whisky_ | k |
| 22:06.04 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: xscreensaver 4.21? |
| 22:06.06 | Blissex | Whisky_: BTW, in the meantime, which exact error do you get in the Apache error log when you try to see a thumbnail? |
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| 22:06.13 | LinuxNIT | let me check |
| 22:06.41 | Whisky_ | Dont mind, where do i check the apache error logs? |
| 22:06.46 | Whisky_ | error.log ? |
| 22:06.49 | Whisky_ | im washed out :S |
| 22:06.55 | Whisky_ | will probably fall on my keyboard within a minute |
| 22:06.59 | error403 | is it possible to start another graphical session at all? |
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| 22:07.11 | Wyzard | error403: Yes, quite possible |
| 22:07.16 | cockroach | hi. looking for hardware advice: is there an agp card with passive cooling, "reasonable" (for enemy territory) 3d support, 2 DVI outputs and the ability to use DRI even when xinerama is active? |
| 22:07.17 | error403 | Wyzard, how? |
| 22:07.20 | Blissex | Whisky_: often '/var/log/apache/error.log' |
| 22:07.27 | error403 | Wyzard, i know it is possible, but i cant find how... |
| 22:07.28 | error403 | >.< |
| 22:07.33 | LinuxNIT | Wyzard, no i had 4.16 so i am upgrading it |
| 22:07.38 | Blissex | Whisky_: also, paste the output of 'ldd ./usr/lib/php4/*/gd.so' |
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| 22:07.40 | error403 | used to be able to on other distros i have used... |
| 22:07.43 | Blissex | Whisky_: also, paste the output of 'ldd /usr/lib/php4/*/gd.so' |
| 22:08.12 | DexterF | !compile stuff kde |
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| 22:08.37 | Whisky_ | PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library './gd.so' - ./gd.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or |
| 22:08.38 | error403 | Wyzard, how do i start a new graphical session then? |
| 22:08.40 | Wyzard | error403: See what I and solemnwarning recently told LinuxNIT |
| 22:08.45 | Blissex | Whisky_: and the output of 'ldd /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so' |
| 22:09.03 | Blissex | Whisky_: OK, that error tells us almost everything we need. |
| 22:09.06 | Whisky_ | k |
| 22:09.08 | error403 | hmmm, ok |
| 22:09.11 | Blissex | Whisky_: do the pastes... |
| 22:09.13 | error403 | ill have a look |
| 22:09.14 | Whisky_ | yeah |
| 22:09.16 | LinuxNIT | Wyzard, well i upgraded but it still isnt there |
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| 22:09.35 | Blissex | Whisky_: that error message says that the 'gd.so' module from 'php4-gd' cannot be found. |
| 22:09.36 | Whisky_ | i need to change the path |
| 22:09.36 | Whisky_ | k |
| 22:09.42 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: Have you restarted the daemon, or is the old one still running? |
| 22:09.52 | LinuxNIT | well it looked different |
| 22:09.58 | error403 | Wyzard, solemnwarning, thanks |
| 22:09.59 | LinuxNIT | how do i restart it jsut to make sure |
| 22:10.01 | error403 | erm... |
| 22:10.06 | Blissex | Whisky_: because the PHP module tries to find it in the current directory, which is almost certainly wrong. |
| 22:10.09 | Whisky_ | Blissex: because the extension dir is set to ./ and it should be set to the place where gd is |
| 22:10.16 | error403 | is there any way to kill an x session? |
| 22:10.32 | JeffH | I just installed postfix and courier-imap but when I try to access my e-mail with outlook it says it can't connect to the server.. anyone know what might be wrong? This outlook setup worked fine with my courier-imap server before I reinstalled. |
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| 22:10.38 | prog | error403, killall X ? |
| 22:10.42 | Wyzard | error403: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (unless you've disabled it in your X config), or just run kill on the X server process |
| 22:10.52 | error403 | ok |
| 22:10.53 | error403 | thanks |
| 22:10.54 | error403 | hmmm |
| 22:11.00 | error403 | what does the vt8 do? |
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| 22:11.09 | Blissex | Whisky_: ahhhh amazing. Are you banging your head on the wall right now or you too sleepy even for that? |
| 22:11.11 | Blissex | :-) |
| 22:11.13 | tbm_ | yo |
| 22:11.15 | tbm_ | i have a big proble guys |
| 22:11.28 | tbm_ | yesterday i switched from 2.4 kernel onto 2.6.8.2 |
| 22:11.30 | paster | "Whisky_" at 203.128.5.7 pasted "GD" (21 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/218 |
| 22:11.36 | tbm_ | and now it just hangs at boot..... |
| 22:11.38 | Whisky_ | Blissex: i am banging it ;P |
| 22:11.39 | Wyzard | error403: Nothing, in most cases... it's not actually necessary |
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| 22:11.46 | prog | JeffH, is your courier-imap running ? |
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| 22:11.51 | error403 | ok |
| 22:11.52 | error403 | thanks |
| 22:12.09 | Blissex | Whisky_: that might wake you up a bit. :-) Is the gallery working now? |
| 22:12.18 | error403 | erm, is there any way to start an X session that isnt logged in, like so i can use a different desktop manager? |
| 22:12.33 | tbm_ | yo |
| 22:12.40 | maher | tbm_: do you have a bot disk / live cd |
| 22:12.40 | tbm_ | ... |
| 22:12.44 | Whisky_ | Blissex: Havent set the new path. Whats the new path to GD ? :S |
| 22:12.46 | Blissex | Whisky_: I mean after changing the extensions path and stoppping and starting apache? |
| 22:12.46 | tbm_ | um yeah |
| 22:12.46 | Wyzard | error403: You'd need it if you wanted the X session to use some alternate terminal device, like a serial console or something, for keyboard input... but all your virtual consoles use the same terminal device so it's unnecessary when starting X on a virtual console |
| 22:12.54 | tbm_ | maher im on my 2.4 kernel now |
| 22:12.58 | Mago` | hi, if I delete a folder/file from a debian package's installation, then I remove the package, when I reinstall it will that folder/file not be replaced? |
| 22:13.01 | JeffH | prog: yes |
| 22:13.02 | LinuxNIT | ok i killed it a started it back up an now it works |
| 22:13.05 | tbm_ | maher its weird my 2.4 kernel works but not the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:13.08 | Wyzard | error403: For that, you can configure your display manager to launch multple X servers, or you can use GDM's "flexible server" feature |
| 22:13.15 | tbm_ | and my X isnt even working on my 2.4 kernel anymore |
| 22:13.16 | LinuxNIT | Wyzard, thanks a lot i really appreciate it |
| 22:13.23 | maher | tbm_: debian standard kernels? |
| 22:13.25 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: np |
| 22:13.27 | Blissex | Whisky_: almost surely, if you installed the Debian 'php4-gd' package, it is something like /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so |
| 22:13.34 | Whisky_ | Blissex: Havent set the new path. Whats the new path to GD ? :S |
| 22:13.39 | prog | JeffH, netstat -ltn - check, if the imap is listening |
| 22:13.42 | Whisky_ | k wait up |
| 22:13.44 | tbm_ | WHAT? |
| 22:13.49 | error403 | Wyzard, i use KDM, and i have never had a problem on other debian-based distros, where there was a "Start new session" in the Kmenu |
| 22:13.50 | Blissex | Whisky_: so the directory path will be something like '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/' |
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| 22:13.57 | tbm_ | maher its weird and making me mad |
| 22:14.01 | maher | tbm_: did you apt-get these kernels or compile them yourself |
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| 22:14.06 | Wyzard | error403: Maybe KDM has a similar feature, but I've only used GDM so I don't know |
| 22:14.14 | tbm_ | maher i used aptitude |
| 22:14.22 | Whisky_ | yup its there :-) |
| 22:14.26 | tbm_ | actually |
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| 22:14.28 | Whisky_ | wait, changing it now |
| 22:14.37 | tbm_ | i was trying to get nvidia to work on them maher |
| 22:14.40 | maher | tbm_: do you use lilo or grub |
| 22:14.44 | tbm_ | and i did get them to work! |
| 22:14.50 | tbm_ | and now it doesnt work |
| 22:14.57 | tbm_ | i had to apt-get install kernel-sources |
| 22:14.59 | tbm_ | and such |
| 22:15.00 | Mago` | anyone know about my question? :S |
| 22:15.02 | JeffH | there is somthing listening on tcp6 :::143. Hm.. |
| 22:15.07 | tbm_ | finally when i rebooted my computer |
| 22:15.14 | tbm_ | the 2.6 didnt work |
| 22:15.21 | maher | tbm_: umm... dunno |
| 22:15.31 | tbm_ | rofl |
| 22:15.45 | LinuxNIT | with the startx command how do you specify wich WM to use? |
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| 22:15.57 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: Edit your ~/.xsession |
| 22:16.05 | Blissex | LinuxNIT: that's a bit of an issue... |
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| 22:16.16 | Blissex | LinuxNIT: but Wyzard's idea is probably the best guess. |
| 22:16.21 | LinuxNIT | ook |
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| 22:16.24 | trave11er | [jason]: ping |
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| 22:17.25 | LinuxNIT | where exactly is the .xsession located? |
| 22:17.31 | Eclipser | ~ |
| 22:17.44 | [jason] | trave11er: yup |
| 22:17.44 | christina_ | ^who |
| 22:17.50 | [jason] | trave11er: got kernel? |
| 22:17.51 | Wyzard | LinuxNIT: '~' refers to your home directory |
| 22:17.58 | LinuxNIT | oh |
| 22:18.03 | LinuxNIT | i see thanks |
| 22:18.15 | christina_ | hi alltogether! |
| 22:18.21 | Eclipser | ~username refers to /home/username |
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| 22:18.42 | trave11er | [jason]: yeah |
| 22:18.48 | [jason] | trave11er: awesome |
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| 22:18.54 | christor | Hello |
| 22:18.55 | Eclipser | well, the username's home directory if it happens to be somewhere else |
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| 22:19.01 | trave11er | [jason]: http://www.wooyd.org/debian/tmp |
| 22:19.05 | christor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.06 | Luke1410 | hi chrism hi rest |
| 22:19.11 | enerv | somebody that has notebook nx9005? |
| 22:19.17 | christor | I have done a cat file |grep [A-Z]*: but I know that is fully fault |
| 22:19.26 | christor | comeone can help me? |
| 22:19.31 | christina_ | do anyone knows some thing about the problem concerning the pppd within connection to your isp? |
| 22:19.34 | [jason] | trave11er: trying now |
| 22:19.34 | LinuxNIT | tahnks again |
| 22:19.51 | error403 | Am i right in saying 'make-kpkg' in the kernel source directory will compile and make into a .deb the kernel? |
| 22:20.04 | Blissex | christina_: christor: I recommend reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 as to asking better questions |
| 22:20.15 | Blissex | error403: if you are lucky... |
| 22:20.22 | Luke1410 | christina, got also probs over here after upgrading from woody to sarge... still cant find no solution... |
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| 22:20.55 | JeffH | anyone know what tcp6 means in netstat for the 'Proto'? |
| 22:21.03 | Mago` | how do I make apt-get reinstall directories that I've removed manually? |
| 22:21.08 | error403 | Blissex, if i am lucky? |
| 22:21.11 | Blissex | christor: you usually need to quote with single quotes the regular expressions |
| 22:21.13 | christina_ | does your pppd also dies with exit code 16 or sometihng else? |
| 22:21.34 | Blissex | Mago`: reinstall the relevant packages... |
| 22:21.49 | Blissex | Whisky_: got it? Going to sleep now? |
| 22:21.50 | Mago` | Blissex: doesn't appear to work... |
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| 22:22.25 | giupy | christina_, do you have resolv.conf in /etc ? |
| 22:22.27 | Blissex | Mago`: thats really unlikely. Perhaps a bit more detail would help. Consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 on hopw to ask better questions. |
| 22:22.38 | Luke1410 | no, got another one :) pppd works fine here... unless i dont get a proper ip from the dsl-modem... |
| 22:22.39 | giupy | christina_, this can be a reason |
| 22:22.49 | drseward_ | im new to linux..what would you guys say to gentoo vs. debian? |
| 22:22.51 | enerv | i try to install debian 3.1 in notebook HP NX9005, and in the party Loading /install/2.6/initrd.gz......... it stop, somebody help me? |
| 22:22.56 | christina_ | yes sure and the perm are set to 0777 for testing |
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| 22:23.46 | Mago` | is it possible that apt-get caches the directories that it doesn't remove with `apt-get remove`, and doesn't install them afterwards? |
| 22:24.07 | gcbirzan | Hello. Shouldn't the 'Provides' of a package satisfy a dependency of another package? |
| 22:24.08 | Blissex | Mago`: very unlikely... |
| 22:24.20 | Blissex | gcbirzan: some people suspect so. |
| 22:24.25 | giupy | christina_, man pppd there should be a list of errors IIRC |
| 22:25.26 | Blissex | drseward_: pointless questions. If you are new, there are more newbie friend distros than either, even if the latest Debian is not too bad for newbies. gentoo is a bit more for experience people. |
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| 22:25.30 | gcbirzan | Blissex: Was that a "yes, it should" or a "screw you, go RTFM"? |
| 22:25.38 | christina__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.40 | Blissex | gcbirzan: yes, it should... |
| 22:25.40 | Luke1410 | When executing pon, plog reports: local ipaddress 10.64.64.64 and remote ipaddress 10.112.112.112. Internetconnections won't work after i upgraded from sarge to woody... any idea? |
| 22:25.46 | drseward_ | thx blissex |
| 22:26.00 | Mago` | rm /etc/apache2 && apt-get remove apache2 && apt-get install apache2 <-- doesn't replace /etc/apache2 :? |
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| 22:26.06 | gcbirzan | Blissex: And can that dependency be versioned? |
| 22:26.08 | Blissex | drseward_: look at the opinions and reviews on http://WWW.DistroWatch.com/ |
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| 22:26.21 | Luke1410 | okok, from woody to sarge... sorry, its late :) |
| 22:26.28 | Blissex | gcbirzan: cant remember. It is usually used for ''virtual'' dependencies. |
| 22:26.29 | christina__ | i also set the default route in the ip-up script |
| 22:26.50 | gcbirzan | Blissex: That just hit me, heh. I'm trying to get a package to depend on gvim >= 6.3 |
| 22:26.59 | Blissex | Luke1410: try 'wvdial'. |
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| 22:27.09 | trave11er | Mago`: rm will fail on a directory if it is non-empty |
| 22:27.20 | Luke1410 | im using a dsl-modem, no analoge or isdn |
| 22:27.21 | Mago` | trave11er: sorry, -r |
| 22:27.22 | Blissex | gcbirzan: you should ask these questions in #Debian-devel if you are trying to package up things. |
| 22:27.45 | Blissex | Luke1410: or something like 'kppp' or 'gppp' if you prefere GUIs. |
| 22:27.57 | gcbirzan | Blissex: Oh, duh. Thanks :-) |
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| 22:28.04 | trave11er | Mago`: if you remove it, how can it not be replaced? |
| 22:28.21 | christina__ | the isp will send a disconnect string or something else and the modem hung up |
| 22:28.24 | Luke1410 | bissex: im using pppoe (ran pppoeconf several times) |
| 22:28.31 | Blissex | Mago`: '/etc/apache2' contains configuration files, these are not overwritten. |
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| 22:28.37 | enerv | i try to install debian 3.1 in notebook HP NX9005, and in the party Loading /install/2.6/initrd.gz......... it stop, somebody help me? |
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| 22:28.45 | crylyx | hi having problems with xfree and running a game. when i fire up unreal tournament the game freezes. after killing it from another console, X seems to run fine, but after a few movements with the mouse the xserver crashes too and im back in console. this problem appeared just like that, until now it worked without problems. any ideas what to do? |
| 22:28.49 | Blissex | Mago`: if you want the whole of '/etc/apache2' to be reinstalled, delete it manually. |
| 22:28.55 | Mago` | Blissex: so I need to tell apt-get that it's never had apache2 installed? |
| 22:29.09 | Blissex | Mago`: otherwise consider reading tghe difference between 'remove' and 'purge', |
| 22:29.10 | Blissex | Mago`: otherwise consider reading tghe difference between 'remove' and 'purge'. |
| 22:29.25 | Blissex | oops |
| 22:29.52 | Mago` | is purge an apt-get action? |
| 22:30.33 | Blissex | Mago`: well, it is an option to 'remove'. |
| 22:30.33 | christina__ | i think the isp doesn't answer the lcp echo request from the pppd and then the connection is iterrupted by pppd defaults --> no answer on lcp echo req. |
| 22:30.55 | JeffH | I found out I can 'telnet localhost 143' and connect my imap server fine.. but if I 'telnet imapserver 143' from my windows machine I get connection refused. What am I missing? |
| 22:30.58 | Blissex | christina__: if so it is easy to disable in '/etc/ppp/options'. |
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| 22:31.29 | Blissex | JeffH: perhaps the IMAP server only binds to 127.0.0.1, or you need to check the TCP wrappers config |
| 22:31.39 | indes | Hey, does anyone know where the unstable non-us apt repositories went? |
| 22:31.51 | Whisky_ | Blissex: it works now :) |
| 22:31.53 | Whisky_ | thanks dude |
| 22:31.57 | Whisky_ | i better get some sleep as well |
| 22:31.58 | streuner_ | indes: read /topic |
| 22:32.02 | Luke1410 | read the intro, indes |
| 22:32.05 | Blissex | Whisky_: get some sleep, thanks for the appreciation! |
| 22:32.07 | TNKS | hi all. Can someone help me figure out if kerneld is still a modern daemon relative to the latest stable kernel? |
| 22:32.13 | Whisky_ | Blissex: no, thank you :) |
| 22:32.15 | Whisky_ | bye |
| 22:32.40 | indes | someone in the us government went somewhat sane? |
| 22:32.44 | TNKS | There's no CONFIG_KERNELD, which is alluded to in the Kerneld MINI-HOWTO |
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| 22:32.57 | indes | What the... ? hell freezing over? interesting. Thanks people. ;-) |
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| 22:33.30 | tbm_ | hello all |
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| 22:33.55 | Blissex | Mago`: BTW I usually recommend to use 'aptitude' or 'synaptic' rather than 'apt-get' (and I like 'feta' too). |
| 22:33.59 | theboneman | yo |
| 22:34.03 | streuner_ | indes: a little bit ;-) |
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| 22:34.15 | theboneman | i just heard someone say " debian box got rooted like cheese " |
| 22:34.20 | [bathat] | if i've recently compiled wxgtk2.6.1 on my own and i want to install vlc, for instance, using apt-get... is there some way to exclude the installation of libwxgtk2.4? |
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| 22:34.27 | mdewand | hi folks. can someone tell me how to disable ipv6? |
| 22:34.32 | theboneman | and i messed up my 2.6.8-2 kernel ;\ |
| 22:34.41 | docelic | Which graphical news reader would you recommend? (I was used to FreeAgent in Windows, yeears ago..) |
| 22:34.48 | streuner_ | mdewand: why do want to? |
| 22:34.49 | tarzeau | docelic: hey :) |
| 22:34.51 | Mago` | Blissex: sweet, thanks. I still don't see why apache2 isn't replacing that directory though... :? |
| 22:34.51 | Blissex | docelic: there are dozens |
| 22:34.56 | tarzeau | docelic: of course i recommend lusernet.app but there's also pan |
| 22:34.58 | tarzeau | !for x |
| 22:34.58 | docelic | tarzeau: heyo hey man |
| 22:34.58 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 22:35.01 | tarzeau | docelic: what's up ? |
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| 22:35.17 | Blissex | Mago`: you gotta read about the special handling of config files by APT, and the difference between removing and purging. |
| 22:35.17 | streuner_ | mdewand: it doesn't hurd (TM) |
| 22:35.17 | mdewand | streuner_: slow address resolution from browser |
| 22:35.19 | theboneman | hey |
| 22:35.26 | theboneman | how would i fix a 2.6 kernel that wont boot? |
| 22:35.31 | streuner_ | mdewand: check your DNS servers |
| 22:35.33 | jair | guys I could get the ipw2100 driver and the source for an specific repository? |
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| 22:35.38 | [bathat] | docelic: i use liferea from time to time... it's pretty nice |
| 22:35.43 | Blissex | docelic: it depends greatly on your desktop environment... |
| 22:35.47 | docelic | tarzeau: ah the usual shit.. still having exams to pass and attend college, so I can't start doing anything else or change my life in radical ways.. |
| 22:35.49 | streuner_ | mdewand: thats NOT an ipv6 issue |
| 22:35.49 | theboneman | anyone????????????? |
| 22:35.52 | jair | in the apt of debian sarge I can find the source only |
| 22:36.15 | jair | to make my centrino work I need the firmware driver and source and wireless-tools |
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| 22:36.17 | streuner_ | !anyone |
| 22:36.17 | dpkg | it has been said that anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:36.19 | jair | correct? |
| 22:36.23 | christina_ | sorry but just it happened again |
| 22:36.36 | mdewand | streuner_: i was reading that some routers have issues with ipv6. no? |
| 22:36.41 | theboneman | yo |
| 22:36.43 | Mago` | Blissex: apt-get --purge remove apache2 <- doesn't help |
| 22:36.49 | theboneman | anyone know how to fix a 2.6 kernel????? |
| 22:36.57 | alvanson | theboneman, in what way? |
| 22:37.03 | streuner_ | mdewand: check your DNS servers, again, problem solved |
| 22:37.03 | paulswm | theboneman: you will have to be a bit more specific |
| 22:37.04 | tarzeau | docelic: how long does it need to stay like that? |
| 22:37.04 | TNKS | okay. . . I've just now convinced myself that Kmod is a replacement for Kerneld. . . but I don't konw much about configuring it. |
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| 22:37.17 | theboneman | alvanson i dont know, it was working perfectly last night until i rebooted, and then the kernel didnt boot up./ |
| 22:37.18 | mdewand | streuner_: ok. tnx. |
| 22:37.20 | docelic | theboneman: the kernel isn't broken so it needs no fixing.. |
| 22:37.23 | [bathat] | any ideas on my question by any chance? |
| 22:37.30 | theboneman | it is broken |
| 22:37.31 | alvanson | theboneman, what did you change? |
| 22:37.32 | jair | TheBlueWizard, do this my good friend ---> apt-get install --reinstall kernel-image. 2.x..... |
| 22:37.34 | Blissex | Mago`: you gotta read about the special handling of config files by APT, and the difference between removing and purging. |
| 22:37.38 | theboneman | alvanson a bunch of crap. |
| 22:37.39 | TNKS | how robust /is/ Kmod? |
| 22:37.40 | alvanson | note to self: water + keyboard = water + no keyboard |
| 22:37.48 | theboneman | ok jair ill do that. |
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| 22:37.53 | docelic | tarzeau: well, it depends on me.. I could have been done already, but looking at it now, at least 6 more months (and most probably more) |
| 22:37.56 | alvanson | theboneman, well, one of that crap you changed has caused your problem |
| 22:37.58 | Blissex | Mago`: you should really read about _both_ subjects. |
| 22:38.00 | theboneman | alvanson i was getting the nvidia drivers to work. |
| 22:38.03 | jair | TheBlueWizard, that will fix it, look for the kernel you are using now |
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| 22:38.07 | dijz | Hi, I have printed the Print Test Page at http://localhost:631/printers but at xterm I dont success, i have received "lp: error - scheduler not responding!" (I'm not in lp group, do I much be?) |
| 22:38.13 | alvanson | theboneman, how far does the kernel boot process go? |
| 22:38.13 | theboneman | jair im on my 2.4 kernel |
| 22:38.28 | jair | TheBlueWizard, what machine do you have (processor)? |
| 22:38.28 | streuner_ | dijz: what printer do you have? |
| 22:38.32 | theboneman | alvanson i hit " kernel-2.6 and then it just does one process and stops |
| 22:38.39 | [jason] | trave11er: works just fine! thanks buddy |
| 22:38.39 | Blissex | dijz: you may have to start explicitly the LP daemon. or check why it did not start. |
| 22:38.40 | theboneman | it doesnt even do anything |
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| 22:38.46 | theboneman | it just shows the first process and stops |
| 22:38.48 | Luke1410 | anywhere else to check for a not working dsl-connection than in interfaces and dsl-provider? |
| 22:38.49 | dijz | streuner: HP deskjet 656c |
| 22:38.57 | alvanson | theboneman, what do you mean by first process? |
| 22:38.57 | theboneman | jair are you talking to me ? |
| 22:39.01 | streuner_ | dijz: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 22:39.05 | trave11er | [jason]: you are just lucky :-) |
| 22:39.05 | jair | theboneman, yes |
| 22:39.08 | theboneman | alvanson it just finds out how much my cpu is |
| 22:39.18 | [jason] | trave11er: heh |
| 22:39.19 | alvanson | $9.95 obo |
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| 22:39.20 | theboneman | i have a p4 processor 3006.0345 mhz |
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| 22:39.36 | alvanson | are you using a stock kernel or one you compiled yourself? |
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| 22:39.40 | d | in this /etc/rc3.d/S15sound what rc mean and what is the 3 by his side |
| 22:39.42 | jair | theboneman, so then you have to use the kernel i686 smp |
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| 22:39.51 | theboneman | alvanson i used aptitude to get 2.6 kernel |
| 22:39.58 | alvanson | which one? |
| 22:39.58 | theboneman | oh SMP? |
| 22:40.01 | trave11er | Mago`: can you run dpkg -S /etc/apache2 ? |
| 22:40.01 | Luke1410 | d: 3 = runlevel 3 |
| 22:40.03 | theboneman | i686 |
| 22:40.06 | [bathat] | is it safe to use kernels from kernel.org? |
| 22:40.13 | theboneman | it was 2.6.8-2-i686 |
| 22:40.14 | theboneman | no smp |
| 22:40.17 | jair | theboneman, please type this in the terminal --> apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 22:40.18 | theboneman | i need smp jair ? |
| 22:40.23 | plehelp | how stable is gnome-2.10 in sid? |
| 22:40.23 | d | luke and the S15? |
| 22:40.25 | mejo | hello |
| 22:40.27 | prog | bathat, no problem with them |
| 22:40.28 | jair | theboneman, yes I am sure you need that one |
| 22:40.30 | streuner_ | [bathat]: yes |
| 22:40.32 | alvanson | [bathat], NO! your computer will explode... j/k it's okay |
| 22:40.34 | [bathat] | prodope: thanks |
| 22:40.34 | jair | you have a 3.GHZ |
| 22:40.34 | tarzeau | plehelp: find out yourself! |
| 22:40.37 | theboneman | um |
| 22:40.38 | [jason] | 240 bogomips! |
| 22:40.40 | Blissex | plehelp: sort of usable, but I dont use GNOME much. |
| 22:40.40 | Luke1410 | d: see man init |
| 22:40.40 | Mago` | trave11er: # dpkg -S /etc/apache2 |
| 22:40.40 | Mago` | apache2-common, phpmyadmin: /etc/apache2 |
| 22:40.41 | streuner_ | plehelp: check out BTS |
| 22:40.41 | jair | you need that one then |
| 22:40.46 | theboneman | jair ok i did.. wait |
| 22:40.49 | [bathat] | i asked a question awhile ago... any ideas? |
| 22:40.56 | mejo | everytime ppp opens my dsl connection, /etc/resolv.conf is rewritten with some provider nameservers. |
| 22:40.59 | tarzeau | [bathat]: yes |
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| 22:41.00 | [bathat] | if i've recently compiled wxgtk2.6.1 on my own and i want to install vlc, for instance, using apt-get... is there some way to exclude the installation of libwxgtk2.4? |
| 22:41.00 | masoft | theboneman, If you have more than 1 CPU or your CPU supports Hyperthreading, try SMP kernel ;) |
| 22:41.01 | plehelp | streuner_: thanks, good idea |
| 22:41.01 | trave11er | Mago`: well, here you go, reinstall apache2-common |
| 22:41.04 | prog | [bathat], no problem |
| 22:41.06 | alvanson | theboneman, that should be the right kernel, unless you have two |
| 22:41.07 | streuner_ | plehelp: you answered just yourself that question - its unstable :-) |
| 22:41.07 | trave11er | Mago`: or purge it |
| 22:41.08 | alvanson | processors |
| 22:41.12 | mejo | is there a way to patch or disable this rewrite? |
| 22:41.16 | jair | theboneman, yes you have to look for the kernel-image result on the terminal will tell you for i686 |
| 22:41.18 | theboneman | it says i have both 2.6.8-2 686 and 2.6.8-2-smp |
| 22:41.24 | Mago` | ahh, cheers :D |
| 22:41.26 | theboneman | jair join a diff channel please |
| 22:41.28 | theboneman | #flood |
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| 22:41.30 | Blissex | mejo: yes. |
| 22:41.41 | dijz | streuner: "dpkg hpinkjet install" dont work... :( |
| 22:41.52 | plehelp | streuner_: I kinda wondered if anyone had anything specific - someone I know told me the panel wouldn't load |
| 22:41.58 | theboneman | why do i have so many fucking kernel modules... |
| 22:42.05 | alvanson | theboneman, you have two kernel images installed at once? |
| 22:42.07 | mejo | Blissex: how? |
| 22:42.15 | shingouz | dijz: apt-get install hpinkjet would be the syntax |
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| 22:42.20 | [jason] | trave11er: since it's my first successful boot, I need to configure the system now, is there any script to do that? |
| 22:42.24 | masoft | theboneman, you can have some, if you don't want, delete it ... |
| 22:42.34 | shingouz | dijz: that is depening on the fact if there is a package called hpinkjet |
| 22:42.36 | theboneman | alvanson um... i have no idea right now.... i was trying to get my nvidia card to work, it worked until i rebooted |
| 22:42.38 | Gskillet | does anyone know why my wireless card seems to be renamed something different on every reboot? eth1, wifi0, wlan0? |
| 22:42.40 | [jason] | trave11er: just apt-setup? |
| 22:42.44 | Blissex | mejo: 'man pppd' and look for the obvious string, then edit '/etc/ppp/options' |
| 22:42.52 | jair | theboneman, sorry I am busy, do this please apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 22:42.56 | theboneman | and i noticed i have to apt-get install kernel-source / kernel-headers'(uname -r)' |
| 22:42.57 | christina__ | sorry but it has diconnced just a minute ago |
| 22:42.59 | trave11er | [jason]: try running base-config |
| 22:43.06 | resiak | jair: apt-get install gmplayer ? |
| 22:43.07 | mejo | Blissex: disabling 'usepeerdns' doesn't do the trick here. |
| 22:43.07 | shingouz | Gskillet: how many different drivers do you have for the thing? |
| 22:43.10 | resiak | !tell jair -about search |
| 22:43.13 | theboneman | to get it working |
| 22:43.14 | [jason] | trave11er: oh, that's what I was looking for, I forgot its name, thanks again |
| 22:43.20 | Gskillet | shingouz: i only have one |
| 22:43.22 | trave11er | [jason]: np |
| 22:43.26 | masoft | theboneman, everytime you change your Kernel, you must install NVidia driver, again |
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| 22:43.58 | shingouz | Gskillet: weren't you just a few hours ago on #kismet trying to compile a kernel for ubuntu? this card on ubuntu too? |
| 22:44.01 | trave11er | theboneman: install the stock debian kernel, then nvidia-kernel-source and read the instructions there |
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| 22:44.06 | Gskillet | shingouz: its hostap |
| 22:44.15 | theboneman | trave11er i was told different |
| 22:44.28 | shingouz | Gskillet: check what the interfaces file says to start with |
| 22:44.28 | theboneman | trave11er but now i guess there is a different.... |
| 22:44.28 | Tyrone_Shabazz | hey- you know with iwconfig- how do you get it to "stay"- |
| 22:44.33 | trave11er | theboneman: and ended up with unbootable kernel? :-) |
| 22:44.35 | Tyrone_Shabazz | like i put in my ssid and wep key- |
| 22:44.35 | theboneman | way to do things? |
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| 22:44.43 | JeffH | can someone tell me where to look to figure out how to configure postfix to relay all mail through my isp's mail server? |
| 22:44.49 | Tyrone_Shabazz | but sometimes it defaults to other open ssids |
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| 22:44.53 | theboneman | trave11er yeah but it worked |
| 22:45.15 | theboneman | also does anyone know why i give message@syslogd temperature above threshold |
| 22:45.18 | trave11er | theboneman: there is a very detailed README in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source, once you install it |
| 22:45.19 | shingouz | Gskillet: tell you the truth, if this card *is* on ubuntu roght now yuo should ask in ubuntu as there could very well be some real differencies between the two distros |
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| 22:45.40 | Karnaugh | *moan* |
| 22:45.40 | prog | JeffH, relayhost |
| 22:45.40 | theboneman | ok trave11er how do i read it cat /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:45.50 | prog | JeffH, relayhost=smtp.myisp.com |
| 22:45.50 | Karnaugh | where is the SSL cert template for courier ?? |
| 22:45.56 | dbzdeath | there are dev packages for mysql but i can't think of the names can someone please tell me it please? |
| 22:45.58 | christina__ | do anyone know something about the pppd connection error? it dies unexpected |
| 22:46.00 | Karnaugh | it generates a (lame) cert on install |
| 22:46.09 | Karnaugh | and i cant find a template to recreate it |
| 22:46.11 | [bathat] | if i've recently compiled wxgtk2.6.1 myself and i want to install a pkg via apt-get which requires libwxgtk2.4... should i install these libs? |
| 22:46.12 | prog | Karnaugh, courier imap has nice utility to create ssl certificate |
| 22:46.14 | JeffH | prog: in my main.cf file? |
| 22:46.16 | trave11er | theboneman: less /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian |
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| 22:46.20 | shingouz | christina_: what error? |
| 22:46.21 | Karnaugh | prog: thats wonderfull |
| 22:46.21 | prog | jeffh, yes |
| 22:46.25 | Karnaugh | prog: it needs a template |
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| 22:46.34 | giupy | christina_, see in man page there should be a list of errors |
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| 22:46.48 | theboneman | trave11er ... ok i also have more than enough shit inside apt-catch fin kernel-image |
| 22:46.51 | prog | Karnaugh, moment, i will look at that ... |
| 22:46.56 | christina__ | pppd dies after some minutes by resetting the modem |
| 22:47.21 | shingouz | christina_: if you do not have two clones here, please change your nick to something else, it is a real pain to complete with so many others under similar nicks |
| 22:47.37 | trave11er | theboneman: if you use sargs and pentium-class pc, then use kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 22:47.45 | shingouz | christina_: umm... pure pppd or with wvdial btw? |
| 22:47.48 | Karnaugh | prog: thanks |
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| 22:47.57 | theboneman | im using pentium 4 |
| 22:47.59 | prog | Karnaugh, mkimapdcert |
| 22:48.01 | theboneman | HT processor |
| 22:48.04 | christina__ | sorry i try to this |
| 22:48.05 | dbzdeath | don't worry i found it |
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| 22:48.07 | drac | theboneman: 686-smp |
| 22:48.11 | theboneman | ok |
| 22:48.15 | theboneman | what about the old kernels ? |
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| 22:48.29 | trave11er | theboneman: what about them? |
| 22:48.43 | theboneman | trave11er i have liek 10 of them wtf.. but only 4 show up on grub |
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| 22:49.02 | trave11er | theboneman: you should be able to configure grub |
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| 22:49.15 | trave11er | i don't have any experience with grub, sorry |
| 22:49.21 | trave11er | i'm the lilo man =) |
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| 22:49.27 | theboneman | yeah |
| 22:49.29 | Karnaugh | prog: ahh, thanks |
| 22:49.30 | theboneman | lilo is easy... |
| 22:49.34 | theboneman | lol ;p |
| 22:49.42 | prog | Karnaugh, and if you want to predefine someting ... use /etc/courier/imapd.cnf |
| 22:50.00 | prog | Karnaugh, not use, rather edit /etc/courier/imapd.cnf :-) |
| 22:50.11 | alvanson | I've never seen the advantage to grub over lilo |
| 22:50.28 | jair | theboneman, I think that the other ones you can just remove them using the command "apt-get remove kernel-image .... info on the grub menu" |
| 22:50.41 | jair | theboneman, just remove the ones you do not want to use |
| 22:50.42 | theboneman | it was in apt-cache... srry |
| 22:50.46 | hardcampa- | alvanson then you haven't used grub |
| 22:50.55 | theboneman | ahh |
| 22:50.57 | theboneman | so i got an idea |
| 22:50.57 | jair | theboneman, I know you are getting little bit exited |
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| 22:51.06 | theboneman | the nvidia stuff |
| 22:51.10 | alvanson | hardcampa-, but I have... pain to get working |
| 22:51.12 | theboneman | should be done before kernel change |
| 22:51.19 | MasterChief | Im new to linux, can someone please tell me how to delete a folder |
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| 22:51.26 | Wyzard | alvanson: You don't need to reinstall it in your boot sector every time you install a new kernel |
| 22:51.27 | theboneman | and then apt-get install the kernel after you get all the correct modules |
| 22:51.29 | jair | theboneman, install the i686-smp if you have HT and the normal i686 id you have a regular P4 ok |
| 22:51.32 | alvanson | Wyzard, true. |
| 22:51.38 | theboneman | i am jair :] |
| 22:51.38 | MasterChief | I tried rm -f folderlocation but it doesnt work |
| 22:51.45 | jair | no you do not need to be worry about modules |
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| 22:51.51 | hardcampa- | alvanson one big difference with grub over lilo is that you have a commandline incase it can't find the kernel. You can always use it to tabcomplete and find a kernel for example |
| 22:52.05 | alvanson | Wyzard, I always build my kernel images with make-kpkg so it just does the lilo thing |
| 22:52.11 | jair | theboneman, the kernel installation will uodate the grub menu and I think take care of modules |
| 22:52.19 | Wyzard | alvanson: and if you make a mistake like forgetting to add an entry for a kernel you wanted to boot, you can still boot it by entering its name manually |
| 22:52.20 | theboneman | no.. im just saying now everything should build correctly including the nvidia-driver |
| 22:52.24 | jair | theboneman, or you will have to install them again |
| 22:52.27 | baler | how do you install usb support so i can get this logitech usb mouse to work? |
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| 22:52.33 | theboneman | ok done jair |
| 22:52.35 | jair | theboneman, right |
| 22:52.39 | theboneman | brb im booting to them |
| 22:52.45 | baler | when i cant /proc/bus/usb/devices nothing shows up and the mouse is plugged in |
| 22:52.45 | theboneman | k ? :D |
| 22:52.45 | jair | theboneman, ok |
| 22:52.48 | Wyzard | alvanson: GRUB also just seems cleaner to me. It actually mounts the filesystem and looks up the file by name, rather than storing a list of raw sectors ahead of time. |
| 22:52.48 | jair | good luck |
| 22:52.51 | theboneman | k t |
| 22:52.52 | theboneman | ty |
| 22:52.56 | MasterChief | Anyone want to help? |
| 22:53.02 | alvanson | Wyzard, okay you win :@ |
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| 22:53.18 | d | I got a ThinkPAD 600E, how to disable the cs46** module to be there at each startup, i need to use the cs4232 instead |
| 22:53.20 | Jappis | MasterChief, rm -rf <Folder> ?? |
| 22:53.39 | shingouz | d: do you have hotplug or discover installed? |
| 22:53.46 | d | yes |
| 22:54.03 | shingouz | d: ouch. kernel 2.6? |
| 22:54.08 | Wyzard | d: Good luck... I never did get sound working on one of those |
| 22:54.19 | Jappis | baler, tried /dev/psaux ? |
| 22:54.21 | shingouz | Wyzard: it works ok :) |
| 22:54.25 | d | yep |
| 22:54.46 | Wyzard | shingouz: I know, but it's an ISA PnP sound card, and I ran out of patience trying to figure out the right configuration. |
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| 22:55.05 | d | wyzard yeah its an isa, bit the bug show it in the lspci |
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| 22:55.09 | Wyzard | shingouz: I just got a T20 instead :-) |
| 22:55.10 | d | this is strange |
| 22:55.16 | baler | Jappis: i dont think its recognizing the mouse shouldn't cat /proc/bus/usb/devices show it if it was? |
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| 22:55.36 | Wyzard | shingouz: It didn't help that when I was trying to configure it, I was on vacation and my only Internet access was long-distance dial-up |
| 22:55.37 | dijz | shingouz: I install hpijs; " aptitude install hpijs" but lp dont work... |
| 22:55.42 | shingouz | d: this is not going to be too easy. first you need to replace hotplug and discover with usbmgr and cardmgr, then comment out the cs* from /etc/modules and install alsa for the sound to really work |
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| 22:55.54 | shingouz | dijz: what are you trying tom install |
| 22:55.56 | drac | baler: mousedev and usbhid loaded? |
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| 22:56.20 | Wyzard | shingouz: I don't think the cs46* sound module has anything to do with PCMCIA |
| 22:56.21 | shingouz | Wyzard: i am listening to a webradio right now with a 600E |
| 22:56.24 | baler | drac: how do i find out? |
| 22:56.25 | drac | baler: 'lsmod', 'modprobe mousedev', 'modprobe usbhid' |
| 22:56.28 | shingouz | Wyzard: it does |
| 22:56.31 | d | shingouz the module is not in /etc/modules |
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| 22:56.44 | viper2k | do I need this compiled in my kernel (2.6.9) "*] IP: GRE tunnels over IP" in order to use a VPN behind this router box ? |
| 22:56.45 | Wyzard | shingouz: It's "Crystal Sound" or something like that, not Card Services |
| 22:56.49 | dijz | shingouz: hp deskjet 656c, at cups i have printed test page, but at xtemr "lp" or "lpr" dont work |
| 22:56.52 | drac | baler: if those are loaded, mouse should be in /dev/input/mice |
| 22:56.52 | theboneman | jair, no luck it did the same thing. |
| 22:57.01 | theboneman | telles me |
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| 22:57.17 | shingouz | Wyzard: i know but still according to IBM the sound and the cards have somethign to do with eachother |
| 22:57.19 | kisa | do any body know something about pppd disconnect with error 16? |
| 22:57.29 | baler | drac: they arent loaded.. |
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| 22:57.43 | trave11er | d: if it is not in /etc/modules, then it is loaded by either hotplug or discover1 |
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| 22:57.46 | theboneman | it goes all the way up to revision 2004blah and stops |
| 22:57.46 | shingouz | dijz: in that case you need to reconfigure cups i guess. i am not a printing expert here, ask someone else |
| 22:57.56 | trave11er | d: both support blacklisting of modules |
| 22:57.58 | drac | baler: try modprobing them ^^ |
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| 22:58.09 | d | trave ok |
| 22:58.13 | dijz | kisa: man pppd |
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| 22:58.17 | giupy | kisa, from man page |
| 22:58.19 | giupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.25 | trave11er | d: but if they are loading the wrong module, it is likely to be a bug in them |
| 22:58.29 | shingouz | d: don't listen to them at this point unless they have configured a 600E, they have some serious quikrs |
| 22:58.38 | d | 600E is a special laptop i think, everybody know this one |
| 22:58.41 | d | a nice old one? |
| 22:58.43 | baler | "can't locate module usbhid" |
| 22:58.48 | theboneman | ... |
| 22:58.51 | shingouz | d: yes. |
| 22:58.55 | drac | baler: whats your 'uname -r' ? |
| 22:58.56 | peterS | baler: kernel 2.4? |
| 22:59.02 | d | shingouz nice laptop? |
| 22:59.04 | peterS | baler: you probably want module 'hid' instead |
| 22:59.05 | theboneman | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 22:59.08 | shingouz | d:... so what are we going to do, hack on the tp seriously or? |
| 22:59.12 | theboneman | um |
| 22:59.15 | Wyzard | d: The 600s also have battery problems |
| 22:59.18 | theboneman | trave11er it didnt work |
| 22:59.19 | Rockret | who use debian 3.1 (sarge) .. can you check if you have this file "snd-ca0106.ko" ? (file:/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/pci/snd-ca0106.ko) |
| 22:59.25 | mikaEL` | i wanna install a deb package ... what command do I have to use ? |
| 22:59.27 | theboneman | it did the same thing as my last 2.6 kernel |
| 22:59.29 | trave11er | theboneman: what didn't? |
| 22:59.31 | baler | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 22:59.38 | baler | its a free install of stable |
| 22:59.45 | theboneman | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-smp worked |
| 22:59.57 | drac | baler: modprobe hid instead of usbhid like peterS said |
| 23:00.00 | theboneman | added it to grub, tried to boot it, no luck did the same thing as the 2.6.8 |
| 23:00.01 | rpmx | hi |
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| 23:00.04 | theboneman | i686 |
| 23:00.17 | rpmx | How I install ftest in sarge ? |
| 23:00.19 | theboneman | i686 and smp dont work they both do the same thing. |
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| 23:00.38 | theboneman | ....... |
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| 23:00.43 | shingouz | d: you still awake? |
| 23:00.44 | trave11er | theboneman: made sure that it uses the right initrd image? |
| 23:00.52 | theboneman | trave11er um no |
| 23:00.55 | Rockret | anyone can help me .. looking for this file... file:/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/pci/snd-ca0106.ko |
| 23:00.59 | theboneman | trave11er but i do get some error about that |
| 23:00.59 | TNKS | is kmod not a daemod anymore? is there any user-space configuration to be done for kmod? |
| 23:01.05 | d | shingouz yes iLLf8d got a solution for me in private |
| 23:01.08 | theboneman | trave11er maybe that is the error ? |
| 23:01.13 | theboneman | because it tells me |
| 23:01.22 | baler | ok modprobe hid didn't output anything |
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| 23:01.29 | kisa | no in the maqn page ther is one remark of the backgroung why the pppd disconnect or dies unexpected. |
| 23:01.33 | shingouz | d: pm is not usually good, less helpers and it takes information off the channel |
| 23:01.35 | iLLf8d | so everyone knows the cs46xx has 2 sound interfaces ones dos mode the others windows based |
| 23:01.37 | peterS | baler: yeah, it won't. make sure you also have the 'mousedev' module loaded |
| 23:01.38 | theboneman | " checking if initramsfs or something is bleh....its not(ungiziped) initrd or so trave |
| 23:01.39 | trave11er | theboneman: you need to make sure that it boots /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686-smp and uses /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686-smp as the initrd |
| 23:01.40 | theboneman | trave11er * |
| 23:01.40 | deadcat | baler: no output means no error |
| 23:01.45 | iLLf8d | so you gotta run the card under a different chipset and use the dos based mode |
| 23:01.51 | theboneman | ok let me check that |
| 23:01.53 | iLLf8d | and initialize the chipset as such |
| 23:01.54 | Rockret | shingouz: do you know where i can find this file "file:/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/pci/snd-ca0106.ko" ? |
| 23:02.01 | shingouz | iLLf8d: the oss drivers are not duplex for the cs4232 |
| 23:02.05 | shingouz | Rockret: no |
| 23:02.09 | theboneman | ok |
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| 23:02.21 | baler | ok so now that both are loaded how do i find out of if it sees the mouse? |
| 23:02.26 | theboneman | how would i make it check that trave11er |
| 23:02.26 | iLLf8d | shingouz: you can run alsa drivers for it |
| 23:02.30 | Rockret | anyone can help me .. ? |
| 23:02.38 | peterS | baler: od -tx1 < /dev/input/mice |
| 23:02.51 | peterS | baler: then move your mouse around a bit, with luck you'll see mouse packets spewed out |
| 23:02.53 | shingouz | iLLf8d: why the hell do you want to run oss for the p.o.s. in anycase. go alsa and it works with a small amount of work |
| 23:02.57 | Rockret | need to find this file snd-ca0106.ko |
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| 23:03.08 | theboneman | what about config-2.6.8-2-i686-smp |
| 23:03.09 | Rockret | version debian sarge |
| 23:03.09 | floppyears | Rockret: I believe that is a file that you get once you have compiled that module into the kernel |
| 23:03.10 | trave11er | theboneman: dunno anything about grub, sorry :-) |
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| 23:03.12 | baler | the od command just sits there |
| 23:03.19 | drac | baler: cat /dev/input/mice, and move the mouse.. if some 'crap' shows up on screen it works. |
| 23:03.19 | baler | and i dont see the mouse moving around the console.. |
| 23:03.23 | theboneman | ugh |
| 23:03.24 | shingouz | Rockret: check the kernel config if the support is even compiled into the kernel |
| 23:03.27 | theboneman | neither do i !!!! |
| 23:03.28 | resiak | !tell Rockret -about enter |
| 23:03.28 | theboneman | lol |
| 23:03.36 | peterS | baler: then you also need your USB host adapter driver loaded. this will be 'uhci' or 'usb-ohci' |
| 23:03.41 | floppyears | Rockret: to find if you already have it in your computer do: updatedb --> as root and then locate filename |
| 23:03.45 | kingsley_ | Is there a free blogging site that doesn't use "cookies"? |
| 23:03.48 | kisa | the log file says that the connection was down after no answer on lcp echo req <-- you can find it in /etc/ppp/options file |
| 23:03.50 | trave11er | theboneman: read some docs... there should be some grub howto one the net, or something |
| 23:03.53 | terr | Does anyone know if there is a wiki on Debian or perhaps on Linux itself oriented to documentation/instructions and technical manuals? |
| 23:03.57 | theboneman | ... |
| 23:03.58 | iLLf8d | shingouz: dude who said I wanted to run oss? |
| 23:04.06 | Rockret | ok, thanks |
| 23:04.08 | resiak | kingsley_: Why? And is #debian really the right place to ask? |
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| 23:04.11 | peterS | baler: you can find out which one: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 23:04.12 | iLLf8d | shingouz: alsa drivers work fine for it just not the cs4610 ones |
| 23:04.13 | mrfrenzy | terr: ever heard of google? |
| 23:04.19 | iLLf8d | shingouz: alsa drivers work fine for it just not the cs46xx I mean |
| 23:04.27 | shingouz | iLLf8d: the approach you have taken to get the sound working is way too complex, man. it can be done a hell of a lot easier |
| 23:04.41 | terr | mrfrenzy: of course. Most people have heard of Google. What's your point? |
| 23:04.48 | kingsley_ | terr: Have you tried googling for: debian wiki ? |
| 23:05.10 | drac | baler: If it works, and you want to use it in console.. you'll need 'gpm' installed. apt-get install gpm, or if you allready have it 'dpkg-reconfigure gpm' and choose /dev/input/mice. |
| 23:05.11 | iLLf8d | uhm the cs46xx alsa version never worked with that thinkpad soundchip |
| 23:05.23 | baler | peterS: that output [OHCI]) twice and [EHCI]) once |
| 23:05.27 | mrfrenzy | kingsley_: that was what I was thinking, but I was hoping I could make him think himself. appearantly I was wrong |
| 23:05.32 | iLLf8d | why I dunno the alsa ppls said it was cause of a propietary interface |
| 23:05.34 | peterS | baler: the OHCI tells you to load the 'usb-ohci' module |
| 23:05.34 | shingouz | iLLf8d: bullshit. i have a 600E here running alsa and playing a webradio right now |
| 23:05.55 | peterS | baler: you can also load 'ehci_hcd', as I think it is called in 2.4.27, so that USB 2.0 (high speed USB) devices work too |
| 23:06.03 | error403 | hmmmm |
| 23:06.04 | iLLf8d | shingouz: you so aren't listening to me tho I had it running under alsa just not the 46xx driver |
| 23:06.11 | peterS | baler: but ehci_hcd is not a substitute for usb-uhci, you really need both |
| 23:06.15 | error403 | $ cat brain > /dev/null |
| 23:06.19 | theboneman | anyone here used grub heh |
| 23:06.21 | theboneman | this sucks :\ |
| 23:06.24 | shingouz | !camelsmite iLLf8d |
| 23:06.32 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 23:06.41 | iLLf8d | shingouz: help d out then |
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| 23:06.55 | iLLf8d | not all cs46xx's are the same tho |
| 23:06.58 | Rockret | shingouz: is it only command updatedb ? |
| 23:07.08 | theboneman | lol |
| 23:07.09 | shingouz | iLLf8d: on the tp600 series they are |
| 23:07.11 | terr | kingsley_: So there are over 1 million hits. I see denian.net and debian.org - which is he main one or are they duplicates |
| 23:07.16 | peterS | baler: come to think of it, it's "ehci-hcd", not "ehci_hcd". but your mouse is a USB 1.1 device so you don't technically need either one to get your mouse to work |
| 23:07.40 | baler | it said "PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device..." ... "Please try using pci=biosirq." |
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| 23:07.45 | iLLf8d | shingouz: dude help the guy out if you got a different solution his nicknames d |
| 23:07.56 | Rockret | i was think get this file and after .. make one insmod |
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| 23:08.05 | Rockret | thinking |
| 23:08.06 | peterS | baler: pci=biosirq is a kernel parameter, which you specify after the kernel name, at boot time |
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| 23:08.44 | iLLf8d | shingouz: he quit what a putz |
| 23:08.44 | baler | so i dont have the kernel configured right? |
| 23:08.45 | shingouz | Rockret: what are you talking about? i am totally out of the loop and i have no clue what you are trying to do now |
| 23:08.52 | christina__ | if this is set to 0 the pppd doesn't know if the connection is resetted |
| 23:08.54 | drac | baler: Is this desktop machine? |
| 23:08.57 | theboneman | hey |
| 23:09.01 | theboneman | does anyone here use grub |
| 23:09.06 | baler | drac: yes |
| 23:09.07 | peterS | baler: 2.4.27's default IRQ routing doesn't like your motherboard, apparently |
| 23:09.11 | theboneman | grub> find /vmlinuz works right |
| 23:09.12 | shingouz | iLLf8d: *you* were the one who insisted helping hom on a pm session. |
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| 23:09.14 | kbrooks | i do |
| 23:09.15 | Rockret | peterS: what? happen when you give that command: pci=biosirq |
| 23:09.17 | scarynetworkguy | !tell theboneman about ask |
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| 23:09.24 | theboneman | fuck man |
| 23:09.34 | drac | baler: You might want to consider installing 2.6 kernel then, just easily as 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386' and let it configure itself and boot to it. Problem might just go away. |
| 23:09.43 | peterS | Rockret: it uses a different method of allocating IRQ pins for PCI devices, using BIOS information rather than trying to program the bus directly |
| 23:09.44 | christina__ | yes right but why does the modem hang ip? |
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| 23:09.53 | iLLf8d | shingouz: dude you're just plain hostile I just told him my experience before you even said anything to me, when you said you had it going fine I told him to listen to you |
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| 23:09.55 | christina__ | sorry up was ment |
| 23:09.57 | theboneman | ... |
| 23:10.02 | Wyzard | theboneman: I use GRUB (as do many other people here), but I don't think I've ever used a find command |
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| 23:10.19 | peterS | Rockret: there are actually I think at least 4 different ways to get that job done. none are best for every situation. it's all very complicated. |
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| 23:10.22 | iLLf8d | shingouz: he just did't like what he was hearing from you alto you were probably right and as a noob felt it was beyond him obviously |
| 23:10.29 | theboneman | man |
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| 23:10.49 | Rockret | peterS: and using pci=biosirq .. I need put interrruption mode bios: APIC or PIC ? |
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| 23:10.58 | theboneman | Wyzard well how would i tell grub that my kernel is 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 23:11.02 | shingouz | iLLf8d: so? keep the help messages on the channel instead of taking them somewhre else |
| 23:11.04 | theboneman | and where the initrd is |
| 23:11.06 | peterS | Rockret: I don't know the details, but I assume you can use the APIC |
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| 23:11.14 | theboneman | because my kernel boots to 2.4 not 2.6 |
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| 23:11.18 | Rockret | ok |
| 23:11.38 | theboneman | 2.6 doesnt work i get some error about the initrd and it just doesnt boot |
| 23:11.39 | mikaEL` | what Bittorrent client do u use ? |
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| 23:12.11 | shingouz | christina_: did you get it working? pure pppd or with wvdial? |
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| 23:12.42 | iLLf8d | shingouz: I usually try not to do that cause of the volume of traffic this channel already gets, its difficult for people trying to implement changes on their system when whatever said scrolls off screen before they return |
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| 23:13.17 | iLLf8d | hrm perhaps a #debian2 channel should be made =P |
| 23:13.37 | Wyzard | theboneman: Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, or run "update-grub" if you haven't removed the special comments that are in that file by default |
| 23:13.38 | [jason] | trave11er: apt-get update tries to overwrite your kernel, how can I avoid this? |
| 23:13.42 | shingouz | iLLf8d: that is why scrolling and nick highlighting are invented |
| 23:13.44 | njan | I've just installed icewm, and it all works fine.. but all I have are window titles, no actual bodies.. there isn't anything silly I've missed, is there? |
| 23:13.44 | Wyzard | theboneman: Maybe you have an initrd kernel and grub isn't configured to load its initrd? |
| 23:13.51 | trave11er | [jason]: put it on hold |
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| 23:14.10 | Rockret | shingouz: I saw that in folder "file:/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/pci/" exist many files for many soundsboards. Reading .. arrive conclusion that I need that "snd-ca0106.ko" and after i need make this command to insert alsaconf .. "insmod snd-ca0106", understand ? remember my soundblaster is sb0401 24 bit 7.1 ... |
| 23:14.12 | trave11er | [jason]: man dpkg for --get-selections, --set-selections options |
| 23:14.13 | baler | well im running 2.6.8 now.. i dont think the problem fixed itself though |
| 23:14.17 | [jason] | trave11er: thanks |
| 23:14.17 | drac | iLLf8d: /lastlog is for that in decent IRC clients, and ignores on join/part/quit/nickchange/and so on. |
| 23:14.18 | theboneman | what Wyzard what special comments u meant on /boot/grub/menu.1st ? |
| 23:14.34 | baler | when i cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse nothing happens |
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| 23:14.43 | iLLf8d | drac: lastlog hrm dunno that one will look into it thanks |
| 23:14.46 | theboneman | um |
| 23:14.47 | trave11er | [jason]: maybe frontends also know how to put stuff on hold, dunno |
| 23:14.57 | Wyzard | theboneman: By default, that file contains some special comments (look for lines beginning with "##") which are used by update-grub to automatically generate boot entries |
| 23:15.02 | [jason] | trave11er: it's cool, I like command line better |
| 23:15.05 | [jason] | trave11er: thanks man |
| 23:15.15 | theboneman | oh |
| 23:15.25 | theboneman | like timeoutsec ? |
| 23:15.28 | theboneman | and passwd |
| 23:15.33 | baler | drac: what are the two things i need to modprobe again? |
| 23:15.35 | Wyzard | theboneman: No, below that |
| 23:15.55 | kbrooks | I have a question. |
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| 23:16.09 | theboneman | ok |
| 23:16.09 | shingouz | Rockret: i do not know |
| 23:16.14 | Wyzard | kbrooks: Then ask it |
| 23:16.16 | peterS | drac: the module names are different in kernel 2.6 |
| 23:16.19 | theboneman | Wyzard the init and vmlinuz are correct |
| 23:16.19 | Rockret | ok |
| 23:16.23 | peterS | I mean, baler: |
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| 23:16.36 | theboneman | title Debina GNU/Linux |
| 23:16.40 | marcdm | Hey all... |
| 23:16.42 | peterS | baler: in 2.6, module names are: usbhid, mousedev, ohci-hcd |
| 23:16.48 | Rockret | shingouz: trying .. trying .. never back to windows again ! |
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| 23:16.55 | kbrooks | Is there a....prototype package? |
| 23:16.59 | error403 | is there a way to make the background of xterm transparent? |
| 23:17.00 | theboneman | ./boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 23:17.07 | kbrooks | a dummy package |
| 23:17.13 | Wyzard | theboneman: Is there an initrd line? |
| 23:17.22 | theboneman | ./boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 23:17.24 | kbrooks | that noobs of packaging can pratice on |
| 23:17.28 | Rockret | shingouz: anyway .. thank alot your help :) |
| 23:17.31 | zumbi | do you know how could i set up an alarm to wake up in the morning... with a song ? |
| 23:17.32 | peterS | error403: no, you have to use an xterm-alike such as aterm or gnome-terminal |
| 23:17.38 | marcdm | error403 if you use Gnome you can fool around with the settings to make the gnome terminal show your desktop as if translucent |
| 23:17.41 | Wyzard | kbrooks: apt-cache show hello |
| 23:17.41 | theboneman | yes there is i did update-grub earlier it may or may not have been there |
| 23:17.48 | error403 | ok, thanks people |
| 23:18.02 | error403 | im not using gnome, so time for a look-alike methinks |
| 23:18.11 | peterS | error403: yeah, aterm is pretty decent |
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| 23:18.20 | kbrooks | Heh |
| 23:18.21 | kbrooks | OK |
| 23:18.39 | marcdm | I'm trying to figure out if my 2nd network card works |
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| 23:19.01 | marcdm | I have a sarge box with 2 nics 10.0.3.2 and 192.168.2.10 |
| 23:19.03 | error403 | peterS, how do i change the appearance of aterm? |
| 23:19.11 | lackey | does anyone know if x.org is a deb package? |
| 23:19.12 | theboneman | Wyzard should i try it now |
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| 23:19.24 | marcdm | I can get activity on the 10.0.3.2 card but not the other |
| 23:19.26 | Rockret | floppyears: what is the meaning with this: " Rockret: I believe that is a file that you get once you have compiled that module into the kernel " |
| 23:19.27 | theboneman | rofl |
| 23:19.30 | Azar | I will try again |
| 23:19.30 | theboneman | sup Azar ;\ |
| 23:19.35 | theboneman | me too :[ |
| 23:19.57 | peterS | error403: X resources. those are a bit painful to deal with if you're not used to them, but pretty straightforward if you are |
| 23:20.01 | Azar | is there any way a Debian user can check the processes, ports and traffic, and PREVENT any intrusion in the system? |
| 23:20.07 | error403 | peterS, im not... |
| 23:20.08 | error403 | >.< |
| 23:20.17 | error403 | maybe ill go back to Eterm... |
| 23:20.20 | peterS | error403: excerpt from my ~/.Xresources file: |
| 23:20.20 | resiak | !topicsmite lackey |
| 23:20.20 | peterS | Aterm.font: -*-bitstream vera sans mono-bold-r-*-*-15-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-15 |
| 23:20.21 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon lackey. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:20.21 | Azar | is there any way I can see what processes are trying to connect outside and prevent that if I wish? |
| 23:20.48 | resiak | Azar: Read about iptables |
| 23:20.54 | resiak | Azar: Or apt-cache search firewall |
| 23:20.59 | theboneman | lol |
| 23:20.59 | Azar | ok resiak thanks |
| 23:21.10 | Evil_Homer | lsof -i -n Azar ? |
| 23:21.12 | resiak | Azar: (just a guess) |
| 23:21.14 | peterS | error403: for background color: Aterm.background: #224 |
| 23:21.18 | Azar | there is nothing to laugh about tbm I am mad as hell |
| 23:21.21 | Azar | dont push it |
| 23:21.28 | theboneman | sorry... |
| 23:21.30 | enigmus | is there any known problem with exim4 in sid, right now? |
| 23:21.36 | peterS | (that's color #222244 for those of you more used to 6-digit colors) |
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| 23:21.59 | theboneman | Azar im just as mad :\ srry to hear that though |
| 23:21.59 | Wyzard | enigmus: It seems to be working for me... I sent some email through it earlier |
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| 23:22.35 | theboneman | Wyzard should i try one more time ? |
| 23:22.36 | enigmus | exim4 keeps doing DNS queries (like 10queries/s) |
| 23:22.50 | Wyzard | theboneman: sure |
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| 23:22.56 | theboneman | ok |
| 23:23.00 | enigmus | even if the spool/queues are empty |
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| 23:24.22 | Azar | I am having 2 foreign IPs connected and have no idea what to do to stop that |
| 23:24.44 | Wyzard | Azar: Connected to what? |
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| 23:25.05 | |buya | sid is gone from the main non-us.debian.org server? I can't find unstable there... |
| 23:25.22 | Wyzard | |buya: See /topic |
| 23:25.31 | Azar | 1176 and 1027 |
| 23:26.02 | Azar | Evil_Homer nice tool thanks |
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| 23:26.23 | |buya | there's no unstable either... it's just not available for now? |
| 23:26.36 | Wyzard | |buya: It doesn't exist anymore... the packages it contained are now in main |
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| 23:27.01 | Wyzard | Azar: If you're seeing connections on strange ports to strange IPs, you should investigate whether your box has been broken into |
| 23:27.10 | |buya | mmm... so that means I can change the sources.list to point to stable? |
| 23:27.11 | Azar | how could I disable or at least ghost port 22 and leave only aptitude use it? |
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| 23:27.25 | Wyzard | Azar: aptitude doesn't use port 22 |
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| 23:27.29 | Wyzard | Azar: That's the SSH server |
| 23:27.47 | Wyzard | Azar: If people are logging in with SSH, that's harmless as long as they're legitimate users |
| 23:27.56 | Azar | Wyzard I am sure my box was compromised, last night after I logged off completely I noticed the router lights blinking like a christmas tree |
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| 23:28.34 | Wyzard | Azar: And you don't have any other accounts on your box, with which a legitimate user might have logged in remotely? |
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| 23:28.55 | Azar | Wyzard, no since I reinstalled and upgraded, only me |
| 23:29.03 | ciga | hi |
| 23:29.03 | Azar | that why I felt burned |
| 23:29.03 | Wyzard | Azar: Then take the box offline and clean it |
| 23:29.14 | Azar | Wyzard I wish I knew how |
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| 23:29.34 | Wyzard | Azar: Preferably, back up your data, format, and do a clean reinstall -- that's the only way to be certain there are no backdoors left |
| 23:29.36 | Octane[UseR]-2 | Hello guys :)¡! |
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| 23:30.00 | optik | Azar: are you using god, sex, love as a password ? |
| 23:30.00 | optik | :P |
| 23:30.00 | optik | ooh... or secret |
| 23:30.10 | Azar | Wyzard I start thinking that is the exact reason I have 52 reinstalls |
| 23:30.11 | Octane[UseR]-2 | its funny to ask in debian channel this question , but would any1 really recommend me to use debian for a server? |
| 23:30.17 | Azar | I do not think this is normal |
| 23:30.25 | Wyzard | Azar: After you reinstall, make sure you keep up-to-date with security patches |
| 23:30.28 | Wyzard | Azar: 52 reinstalls? |
| 23:30.31 | paulswm | Octane[UseR]-2: sure. |
| 23:30.33 | Azar | I like reinstalling but I should not do that because breakins |
| 23:30.52 | Azar | I love reinstalling but it is useless when you keep doing it for security reasons |
| 23:30.54 | Wyzard | Azar: There's nothing wrong with reinstalling whenever you want, but you definitely *should* do a clean reinstall after an intrusion |
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| 23:31.21 | Azar | so the third day after I get a new break in and start over? |
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| 23:31.24 | Wyzard | Azar: I'd say it's more useful to reinstall as cleanup after an intrusion, than to reinstall just on a whim |
| 23:31.34 | Octane[UseR]-2 | well i hope i would get arranged with it, as i never used it..suse and mandrake only so far . |
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| 23:31.38 | Wyzard | Azar: Are you saying that your box is getting broken into repeatedly, so you have to reinstall repeatedly? |
| 23:31.43 | ciga | I have a samba server that servers 30 dos clients. sometimes (about every two-three days) the whole network stop working. I have to turn every machine off, and wait a little, then power them on. and always there is one machine which freeze the network. How should I test which one? |
| 23:31.44 | Octane[UseR]-2 | and am really considiring debian |
| 23:31.44 | enigmus | about exim4: how do I make sure that mail delivered by fetchmail is delivered locally? (and not forwarded to my isp smarthost.. in which case there is a loop)? |
| 23:32.01 | Wyzard | Azar: If that's the case, you should investigate how the breakins are occurring |
| 23:32.19 | Azar | Wyzard my windows firewalls gets around 800 hit tries / day, fortunately none succeeds, out of 800 80 might succeed in Debian |
| 23:32.29 | Azar | that means everyday I have a 80% chance of breakin |
| 23:32.48 | Azar | so a reinstall could be happening every week |
| 23:33.31 | enigmus | Azar: 10% of success on debian? huuh? |
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| 23:34.04 | |buya | are you installing the packages OpenEverything-1.0.1-1 ? |
| 23:34.09 | ciga | maybe someone can help me with this, please? |
| 23:34.44 | Azar | when it comes to security I am in total dark in Debian |
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| 23:34.50 | enigmus | |buya: isn't it goatse-1.0_cvs20050103+b.deb ? |
| 23:34.54 | Azar | I have no idea what is going on there |
| 23:35.08 | |buya | hehehe |
| 23:35.14 | LOSPANCHOSCOMMUN | hey- is there anything faster than dhclient for dhcp? |
| 23:35.26 | |buya | you're saying that out of 10 times, you get 2 breakins |
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| 23:35.41 | Wyzard | Azar: What services are you running? |
| 23:35.49 | enigmus | Azar: even windows is not that bad |
| 23:35.53 | Wyzard | Azar: Don't run stuff like apache, mysql, etc. if you don't need it |
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| 23:36.04 | Azar | one min I will tell you |
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| 23:36.42 | Azar | hmmp-ind, time, discard, daytime , sunrpc auth ssh |
| 23:36.44 | streuner_ | !wb Guerin |
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| 23:37.16 | Wyzard | Azar: Stuff like discard and daytime is unnecessary to have accessible from the Internet... you should install a firewall package (I recommend FireHOL) and block of all but SSH |
| 23:37.20 | LOSPANCHOSCOMMUN | hey- how do i edit my startup? like the autoexec.bat of linux????? |
| 23:37.30 | Wyzard | Azar: Maybe even SSH too, if you don't plan on allowing any remote users to log in |
| 23:37.40 | kreze1 | Azar: I use shorewall if you're looking for a second opinion |
| 23:37.48 | Azar | FireHOL, ok thanks |
| 23:38.07 | Azar | I only need to "see" waht is going on and be able to hide the ports from scanners |
| 23:38.16 | LOSPANCHOSCOMMUN | !help |
| 23:38.18 | Azar | eventually to put a firewall rule |
| 23:38.31 | Wyzard | Azar: Another thing you can do is to set up another box as an intermediary between your main box and the Internet, with two network cards acting as a bridge, but no IP address of its own so nobody can connect to it to attack it... then install Snort on it and have it scan the traffic passing through for attack signatures |
| 23:38.38 | error403 | Note to self - NEVER run netstat while running bittorrent... |
| 23:38.43 | |buya | and if you're gonna be the only one using ssh... I always like to add "AllowUsers <username>" to sshd config |
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| 23:39.01 | peterS | error403: oh, does bt open a lot of simultaneous connections? |
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| 23:39.02 | kreze1 | Azar: I've never used FireHOL but I've found shorewall to be pretty good at setting up "simple" firewalls, and I also use it on my router to do some pretty advanced stuff |
| 23:39.10 | Azar | Wyzard, yeah would be a point, a friend of mine right now checks the activity from last night |
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| 23:39.33 | Wyzard | kreze1: I used to use Shorewall, but I switched to FireHOL because its configuration is much more succinct and maintainable |
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| 23:39.44 | kreze1 | Wyzard: I'll have to check it out sometime |
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| 23:40.03 | Azar | thanks kreze1 |
| 23:40.07 | kreze1 | np |
| 23:40.23 | Wyzard | kreze1: Shorewall is probably capable of some esoteric stuff that FireHOL isn't, but nothing beats being able to write "server ftp allow" and have it set up all the necessary rules for FTP, including handling its multiple connections and such |
| 23:40.36 | Azar | I only used ZA on mswindows so far never tried other firewall but I badly needed to take control on the Debian box |
| 23:40.38 | error403 | peterS, yes ¬_¬ |
| 23:40.44 | kreze1 | Wyzard: I just kind of have a "template" shorewall config that I drop on all my machines to act as a simple firewall |
| 23:40.54 | Azar | bruteforce scanners and other scriptkiddies stuff |
| 23:40.59 | kreze1 | Wyzard: The new "AllowXXX" clauses for /etc/shorewall/rules are pretty nice too |
| 23:41.03 | mrfrenzy | Wyzard: that's possible in shorewall too |
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| 23:41.42 | kreze1 | The one thing I wish shorewall had was a simple command line app so I could say "Open port 1234" when i just want to allow a one-time thing |
| 23:42.16 | Wyzard | kreze1, mrfrenzy: http://pastebin.ca/14195 -- my FireHOL config on my desktop box; I'll bet you can understand it even though you haven't read any documentation on it |
| 23:42.28 | mrfrenzy | kreze1: just use iptables ? |
| 23:42.30 | durrif | hello |
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| 23:42.43 | Azar | Jun 11 20:41:34 oracle sshd[9726]: Did not receive identification string from ::ffff:66.125.126.181 |
| 23:42.45 | Azar | Jun 11 20:48:17 oracle sshd[9727]: Failed password for root from ::ffff:66.125.126.181 port 42082 ssh2 |
| 23:42.49 | kreze1 | mrfrenzy: I installed shorewall because I got tired of fighting iptables :) |
| 23:42.52 | Azar | and things like this |
| 23:43.08 | kreze1 | Azar: I get hundreds of those per day on my colo box |
| 23:43.12 | Wyzard | Azar: You should turn off Allowroot in your sshd.conf, btw... no good reason to allow remote root logins |
| 23:43.16 | Guerin | Azar: run your sshd on port 2222 |
| 23:43.26 | kreze1 | Azar: Its just scriptkiddies connecting to try and discover your OpenSSH version |
| 23:43.32 | Azar | Jun 11 03:53:42 oracle sshd[9270]: Failed password for root from ::ffff:69.61.63.10 port 39849 |
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| 23:43.33 | Azar | yes |
| 23:43.46 | Azar | how can I put sshd on 2222 ? |
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| 23:43.55 | peterS | Azar: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 23:43.56 | Wyzard | Azar: Port directive in sshd.conf |
| 23:44.01 | Wyzard | oops, sshd_config |
| 23:44.04 | Azar | thanks |
| 23:44.07 | mrfrenzy | kreze1: everything is based on the incoming interface? |
| 23:44.15 | Pryon | security through obscurity isn't |
| 23:44.16 | kreze1 | Azar: "Port" in your sshd_config |
| 23:44.32 | Wyzard | mrfrenzy: Did you mean to direct that at me? |
| 23:44.43 | cthulfuego | Block any Ip you normally don't use (or rather, allow only sets of IPs _you_ use for remote access) |
| 23:44.44 | Wyzard | mrfrenzy: If so, no, but this is a desktop box with only one NIC |
| 23:44.47 | kreze1 | Wow that firehol config is pretty nice. It looks like /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:45.02 | mrfrenzy | aah yes Wyzard it's late here ;) |
| 23:45.07 | kreze1 | Heh just install knockd |
| 23:45.15 | mrfrenzy | yeah not far kreze1 |
| 23:45.18 | mrfrenzy | gonna sleep now |
| 23:45.25 | kreze1 | later |
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| 23:46.11 | K_Dallas | what is a good Debian book to keep handy? So I do not get rtfm or man it or google it ;) thanks in advance |
| 23:46.41 | kreze1 | K_Dallas: apt-get install debian-reference-<language> |
| 23:46.52 | Guerin | K_Dallas: there's a Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible in print |
| 23:46.56 | K_Dallas | ok, thanks kreg |
| 23:47.10 | kreze1 | K_Dallas: And read the whole damn thing. I learned things I didn't know after years of running Debian by reading that |
| 23:47.14 | Azar | kreze yes, I moved from 22 to 2222 |
| 23:47.18 | K_Dallas | Guerin, that is what i was wondering to buy so a new version is to be released soon |
| 23:47.33 | K_Dallas | kreze1, sure. thanks |
| 23:47.36 | Guerin | K_Dallas: 3.1 has only just released, so it's pretty spankin' |
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| 23:47.41 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: I wouldn't bother buying a paper book since it'll just become obsolete eventually |
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| 23:48.00 | enigmus | how do I make fetchmail deliver to procmail and not to localhost:25? |
| 23:48.01 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: The way to not get told to Google is to Google *before* you ask, and don't ask if you find the answer :-) |
| 23:48.08 | K_Dallas | Wyzard, that is true but i wold not need to be in fron of my box to browse the book and leanr a thing or two |
| 23:48.26 | bbrazil | enigmus: rtfm, there's an option to pipe to an arbritary command |
| 23:48.30 | K_Dallas | Wyzard, i know, i usually dont get rtfm or google it, i was more saying it in general |
| 23:48.47 | CosmoDad | I have a problem with X Forwarding: I can perfectly log into my remote machine and start X apps, when when I sux to some other user and try to start an app, I'm rejected. why? |
| 23:49.09 | CosmoDad | s/when/but/ |
| 23:49.11 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: Understood, but I still don't see much benefit in printed books vs. online documentation, unless you spend a lot of time away from your computer |
| 23:49.13 | kreg | no prob K_Dallas |
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| 23:49.39 | jair | anyone here have had installed the drivers and fw on a centrino sarge debian? |
| 23:49.47 | jair | I need just some help |
| 23:49.53 | jair | I have everything I think |
| 23:50.03 | K_Dallas | Wyzard, i have a life besides this box too ;) where sometimes i find a few min to spare and such a book comes handy, right now i have my latex book with me but it is about to finish ;) |
| 23:50.19 | jair | kernel 2.6.8-2, ipw2100 fw, ipw2100 driver, etc,,.. |
| 23:50.21 | exobyte | I'm trying to set up a pptp proxy, forward all packets to a specific ip, but this ipchains script doesn't work. It seems to timeout when I try to access it. http://pastebin.ca/14197 |
| 23:50.31 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: With a decent laser printer and some 3-ring binders, you can just print books :-) |
| 23:50.35 | jair | I just need someone that had installed before |
| 23:50.45 | _daniel_ | jair I have a centrino win debian sid |
| 23:50.47 | K_Dallas | kreze1, would i need to install doc-base rutebook too or the one you said would suffice? |
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| 23:51.04 | K_Dallas | Wyzard, laserprinters are dangerous for the environment! |
| 23:51.13 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: How so? |
| 23:51.22 | |buya | CosmoDad: have you tried running ssh verboselly? |
| 23:51.24 | K_Dallas | their ink is too poisonous |
| 23:51.24 | Azar | Wyzard you were refering to PermitRootLogin yes in sshd file? |
| 23:51.41 | Wyzard | Azar: yeah... I don't remember the exact name |
| 23:51.43 | |buya | CosmoDad: it sounds like the DISPLAY variable is not maintained ... |
| 23:51.46 | K_Dallas | and hard to degenerate in a recycle paper system |
| 23:52.02 | jair | _daniel_, ok, I think it is the same thing |
| 23:52.06 | K_Dallas | that is why they ask you to get your empty catridges to recycle facilities |
| 23:52.07 | Azar | ok so I can safely turn that to a no |
| 23:52.11 | jair | _daniel_, almost |
| 23:52.20 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: Better or worse than the volume of empty plastic ink cartridges produced by an inkjet doing an equivalent amount of printing? |
| 23:52.25 | jair | _daniel_, ok, I already download the FW and the dirver |
| 23:52.34 | K_Dallas | wya worse |
| 23:52.38 | K_Dallas | way* |
| 23:52.44 | jair | _daniel_, did you follow any how-to |
| 23:52.50 | _daniel_ | what is FW ? |
| 23:52.58 | jair | _daniel_, firmware |
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| 23:53.08 | _daniel_ | jair I looked some things on linux-laptops.com |
| 23:53.12 | CosmoDad | |buya: you mean verbosely client- oder server-side? |
| 23:53.14 | K_Dallas | FW == FireWall? FirmWare? |
| 23:53.14 | _daniel_ | Firmware for what ? |
| 23:53.37 | |buya | ssh -v -X who@where whatcommand |
| 23:54.00 | |buya | or you need to execute the command as a different user... |
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| 23:54.41 | CosmoDad | |buya: ok, what should I be looking for? |
| 23:54.49 | remmy_ | what do you think the best gnutella network client is? |
| 23:55.06 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: Google turns up lots of info on recycling toner cartridges, but nothing on recyclability of laser-printed paper |
| 23:55.08 | yoshio_ | CosmoDad: ssh -X user@hostname to forward X stuff |
| 23:55.08 | jair | _daniel_, ok |
| 23:55.09 | jair | cool |
| 23:55.12 | Pryon | one that does best what you require of it |
| 23:55.13 | jair | thank you |
| 23:55.16 | _daniel_ | All I really did, is I downloaded drivers for my wireless(ip2200), video card(fgrlx) and kernels sources, made the kpgk for each one, compiled the kernel with centrino on, and dpkg -i :) |
| 23:55.19 | CosmoDad | yoshio_: did that.. |
| 23:55.29 | |buya | when you try running the command but it doesn't... any output? |
| 23:55.37 | K_Dallas | Wyzard, they ask you to get it to recycle centers or the stores not for recycling probably but i guess for detoxing ;) |
| 23:55.50 | CosmoDad | |buya: see the problem doesn't arise if I directly log in as user foo, but if I first ssh into the remote machine as user bar and try to sux to foo, it fails |
| 23:55.54 | yoshio_ | enigmus in your "poll servername" stanza, add --> mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" |
| 23:56.14 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: Interesting... I haven't heard of toner being toxic. Not healthy to breathe, of course, but once it's fused to the paper that's no issue. |
| 23:56.17 | _daniel_ | jair I also had all needed modules into kernel. |
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| 23:56.48 | |buya | so you're not running "ssh -X"? |
| 23:56.56 | concept10 | can anyone see this |
| 23:57.01 | CosmoDad | |buya: well the usual "you are not allowed to start blabla" |
| 23:57.01 | Wyzard | concept10: yes |
| 23:57.04 | CosmoDad | |buya: I d |
| 23:57.07 | CosmoDad | |buya: o |
| 23:57.10 | K_Dallas | i was talking toxic to the environment not to human being, bad choice of word, should have used biodegradibility |
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| 23:57.15 | Wyzard | CosmoDad: That sounds like an xauth issue |
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| 23:57.22 | |buya | yeah |
| 23:57.32 | remmy_ | *takes a poll* whats your favorite gnutella network client? |
| 23:57.35 | |buya | type xhost +ipofthemachineyoureconnectingfrom |
| 23:57.46 | CosmoDad | |buya: start saw this: when I do "sux -" it says: "-su: line 1: xauth: command not found" -- xbase-clients is installed, however |
| 23:57.47 | Wyzard | remmy_: Shareaza, but it's Windows-only afaik |
| 23:57.51 | CosmoDad | Wyzard: yeah I think so too |
| 23:57.58 | |buya | ha |
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| 23:58.04 | kreze1 | Just trying to figure out which manual to rtfm... I want to be able to simultaneously connect via my wireless card and my ethernet adapter and not lose my network connections. ifmetric and route? |
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| 23:58.13 | K_Dallas | Wyzard, isnt amule connected to gnutella? |
| 23:58.24 | pipeline | amule is a mule client |
| 23:58.25 | |buya | CosmoDad: but can you start any xclient at all? |
| 23:58.27 | somePriest | I'm sure there is no one single resource, but where might I turn if I desired to start maintaining Debian packages, and programming in Debian (eg: librairies available, how to create and maintain packages, APIs, etc)? |
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| 23:58.46 | CosmoDad | |buya: not if sux'ing |
| 23:59.05 | K_Dallas | nothing* |
| 23:59.08 | CosmoDad | |buya: but as the user I initially ssh -X into the remote machine: yes |
| 23:59.11 | y0shua | is it possible to replace a single line string like "::example::" with a multi-line one without the need for a temporary file? |
| 23:59.15 | jair | _daniel_, yes the thing is i do not really remember how to put everything together and I had one how to very easy and i never print it out :( |
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| 23:59.44 | _daniel_ | jair but what is really what you need to do ? |
| 23:59.50 | |buya | CosmoDad: if you do a regular 'su -' and then export DISPLAY, does it work? |
| 23:59.56 | _daniel_ | just make-kpkg and dpkg -i |
