| 00:00.04 | |buya | 'su - username' that is |
| 00:00.06 | Wyzard | somePriest: http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 00:00.22 | _daniel_ | DEbian is for lazy ppl :) |
| 00:00.22 | Guerin | y0shua: using what tool? |
| 00:00.29 | Wyzard | somePriest: The "New Maintainers' Guide" (linked on that page) tells you all about how to create packages |
| 00:00.38 | trave11er | y0shua: in what context? |
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| 00:00.45 | superkitty | can anyone offer printer config help |
| 00:00.50 | somePriest | Wyzard: Thank you. |
| 00:00.51 | _daniel_ | |buya, use sudo :) |
| 00:01.00 | y0shua | Guerin: bash ? |
| 00:01.03 | yoshio_ | CosmoDad: I used to have to type "xhost +" to allow others to connect. don't do this on a machine on the internet |
| 00:01.08 | CosmoDad | |buya: well my display is actually set correctly, it seems to be the authentication: "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication." |
| 00:01.08 | Guerin | y0shua: i'd use sed |
| 00:01.11 | Guerin | !sed cheats |
| 00:01.11 | dpkg | hmm... sed cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
| 00:01.24 | CosmoDad | yoshio_: sure thing, that's why I love sux |
| 00:01.42 | CosmoDad | yoshio_: ... if it worked as expected... |
| 00:01.43 | y0shua | sux ? |
| 00:01.53 | rvalles | sux??? |
| 00:01.55 | y0shua | I never heard of it ... |
| 00:01.56 | Guerin | y0shua: ask dpkg about it |
| 00:01.56 | |buya | I don't know that sux will allow transferring credentials set by ssh to a different user |
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| 00:02.13 | |buya | you might need to use xhost on the client machine |
| 00:02.21 | rvalles | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.23 | yoshio_ | http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ |
| 00:02.23 | rvalles | seems so |
| 00:02.25 | baler | ok i got gdm to boot but when i try to use log in to gnome or kde its not loading the window manager... |
| 00:02.26 | |buya | and set the DISPLAY on the server machine |
| 00:02.37 | CosmoDad | |buya: I could bet this used to work before |
| 00:02.40 | baler | i can do gnome-failsafe though |
| 00:02.45 | Guerin | baler: which windowmanager did you install? |
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| 00:02.54 | bucky | somePriest, http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/make_package1.html |
| 00:02.55 | tbm_ | lol |
| 00:02.57 | tbm_ | :[ |
| 00:02.59 | tbm_ | i reinstalled debian |
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| 00:03.03 | tbm_ | :{! |
| 00:03.15 | baler | Guerin: gnome and kde |
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| 00:03.31 | CosmoDad | so is *anyone* here capable of doing ssh -X machine, sux to a different user and start an X app? |
| 00:03.38 | baler | "gnome-core is already the latest version" |
| 00:03.40 | Guerin | baler: and neither of those option in gdm work? what happens? |
| 00:03.45 | CosmoDad | if not, I'll surrender... |
| 00:04.06 | y0shua | I thought about "cat template | sed -e '/^::example::/r file.tmp' -e '/^::example::/d' ... but that is with a tmp file ... |
| 00:04.12 | Wyzard | baler: Running sid? |
| 00:04.18 | baler | it goes to xfree and then i get a box that says "|" with an ok button and then it opens up a terminal after i click ok.. but there are no buttons or anything |
| 00:04.21 | baler | Wyzard: yes |
| 00:04.24 | Guerin | y0shua: sed should honour \n |
| 00:04.28 | Langly1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.33 | Wyzard | baler: GNOME is currently in transition from 2.8 to 2.10... metacity got upgraded today |
| 00:04.38 | baler | bah |
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| 00:04.48 | baler | how can i downgrade? |
| 00:04.53 | y0shua | can I store it in a variable before? |
| 00:04.56 | tbm_ | ... |
| 00:04.57 | Guerin | baler: you can't. Just wait. |
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| 00:05.03 | Guerin | y0shua: sure. |
| 00:05.11 | baler | i can downgrade to testing? |
| 00:05.14 | y0shua | hmm needs testing ;) |
| 00:05.15 | Guerin | baler: no. |
| 00:05.20 | baler | bah |
| 00:05.28 | Guerin | baler: welcome to Life With Sid. |
| 00:05.40 | superkitty | I am running stable and cant get printing set up |
| 00:05.45 | pipeline | Sid breaks your toys. |
| 00:06.02 | remmy_ | whats a simple way to setup thunderbird to work with hotmail? |
| 00:06.06 | pipeline | superkitty: First, check linuxprinting.org -- if your printer is listed there and usable, come back. |
| 00:06.06 | yoshio_ | CosmoDad: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ says You can use the su '--preserve-environment' option. In that case sux will override XAUTHORITY to the so that xauth does not try to use the original user's .Xauthority file (which it obviously could not do anyway due to access rights). is this relevant? |
| 00:06.10 | Guerin | sid broke kde and mplayer on my wife's computer yesterday |
| 00:06.15 | |buya | CosmoDad: I just installed sux and I can't get it to work either |
| 00:06.40 | tbm_ | h |
| 00:06.45 | tbm_ | why do i get this message |
| 00:06.48 | tbm_ | Message from syslogd@localhost at Sun Jun 12 14:06:35 2005 ... |
| 00:06.48 | tbm_ | localhost kernel: CPU1: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 00:06.48 | |buya | CosmoDad: my guess is that the way ssh does the forwarding is probably not good for a different user |
| 00:06.50 | y0shua | Guerin: hmm, x=`cat /etc/resolv.conf | egrep nameserver` ... then the newline is removed? |
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| 00:06.57 | CosmoDad | |buya: seems so... |
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| 00:07.11 | |buya | but you can try with xhost |
| 00:07.20 | Guerin | tbm_: 1) change your nick so you're not impersonatind a DD 2) don't hit enter so damn often |
| 00:07.41 | theboneman | heh |
| 00:07.43 | theboneman | ive met tbm |
| 00:07.46 | theboneman | hes actually a nice guy |
| 00:07.55 | CosmoDad | yoshio_: well at least -m doesn't help either |
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| 00:08.19 | theboneman | a |
| 00:08.24 | bucky | hi bonedman |
| 00:08.25 | CosmoDad | seems like my mind was playing tricks on me |
| 00:08.31 | theboneman | hi.. |
| 00:08.37 | theboneman | i reinstalled debian |
| 00:08.42 | vox | just a general curiosity question.. why would opera take around 10seconds to load in gnome, but about a minute in kde? |
| 00:08.53 | Guerin | vox: c++ |
| 00:08.58 | Azar | anyone can see what I see here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2005/06/threads.html ? |
| 00:09.04 | CosmoDad | |buya, yoshio_: so any idea on how I could comfortably log into my router and call ethereal where ssh-root access is prohibited? |
| 00:09.09 | vox | Guerin: how do you mean? |
| 00:09.30 | CosmoDad | |buya: sure xhost... |
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| 00:09.34 | Wyzard | vox: Does it have any sort of KDE-integration feature, anything that would cause it to load some of KDE's libraries? |
| 00:09.36 | Azar | "the Penis Patch" ? |
| 00:09.42 | Azar | wtf is with that site? |
| 00:09.50 | Guerin | vox: gnome and gtk are written in plain C, which starts up good and fast due to the fact that GCC is very good at compiling it. KDE and Qt are c++, which starts slower because they're not handled so maturely by GCC |
| 00:10.10 | vox | Wyzard: nup |
| 00:10.11 | ariel | what kind of files are *.chm files and how can I open it? |
| 00:10.14 | vox | Guerin: ah righto |
| 00:10.26 | |buya | CosmoDad: try this 'ssh -X user@host "sudo ethereal"' |
| 00:10.27 | CosmoDad | |buya: xhost + doesn't work either |
| 00:10.28 | caphuso | qt apps start up just as fast as gtk apps |
| 00:10.29 | vox | Guerin: explains why gnome does things faster than kde in general |
| 00:10.40 | theboneman | BRUTE, n. See HUSBAND. I do not believe in God. I believe in cashmere. True philosophy invents nothing; it merely establishes and describes what is. It's hard to work in groups when you're omnipotent. Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage. |
| 00:10.43 | CosmoDad | |buya: hm ok... |
| 00:10.44 | Guerin | vox: at least, that's my horribly simplistic understanding |
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| 00:10.55 | theboneman | Azar some weird crap your reading ;\ lol |
| 00:10.55 | caphuso | horribly wrong understanding too |
| 00:11.00 | Guerin | vox: part of it is probably that kde has a lot of backend |
| 00:11.02 | |buya | CosmoDad: take out the single ' and keep the doubles |
| 00:11.17 | Wyzard | vox: dunno then... but loading KDE shared libraries tends to take awhile, so I wondered if it might be that |
| 00:11.18 | vox | Guerin: makes sense. i've noticed that other apps take longer to load with kde than with gnome, just that opera is the most noticable |
| 00:11.41 | vox | Wyzard: dont see how, opera is a binary |
| 00:11.43 | nicholas | Could someone test this for me? In mozilla with the mozilla-js-debugger package installed, go to Tools->Web Development->Javascript Debugger. It doesn't load on my system. Is it my fault or is something wrong in Debian? |
| 00:11.44 | Wyzard | vox: Yes, KDE's slow-startup issues are a technical quirk regarding C++ and linking |
| 00:12.02 | Guerin | caphuso: *shrug* - read it in some discussion about the new GCC and how its c++ handling will be a lot faster |
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| 00:12.15 | magyar | what was the name of the release prior to woody and what kernel did it ran? |
| 00:12.21 | Wyzard | vox: GCC 4.0 introduces some new features meant to help with that, so once it becomes the default compiler and KDE gets recompiled, those problems should go away |
| 00:12.31 | theboneman | yea wtf Azar lol what was that ? |
| 00:12.36 | CosmoDad | |buya: I'll need an visudo entry right? |
| 00:12.38 | WillySilly | is there a way for me to see whats making inotify start? |
| 00:12.55 | |buya | you need an entry on the sudoers file yes |
| 00:12.59 | |buya | using visudo |
| 00:13.02 | vox | Wyzard: *shrug* i've used kde for a few years, started using gnome a few weeks back and i much prefer it |
| 00:13.17 | |buya | do you know the syntax for that? |
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| 00:13.22 | Wyzard | caphuso: QT initializes as fast as GTK, but before the program can start running, the dynamic linker has to load the libraries, and that takes time because QT/KDE have so many dynamic symbols |
| 00:13.32 | vox | KDE is good for a Windows-type front end |
| 00:13.43 | theboneman | how would i create a .Xdefaults in debian again ? |
| 00:13.46 | |buya | CosmoDad: you can just duplicate the line for root really |
| 00:13.50 | Guerin | theboneman: man echo |
| 00:13.53 | Wyzard | theboneman: With a text editor |
| 00:13.58 | k3 | I'm looking for a gtk/gnome app with ide3 tag guessing function similler to tag guessing function available in Amarok & Juk. Any suggestions? |
| 00:14.04 | WillySilly | is there a way for me to see whats making inotify start? |
| 00:14.10 | Wyzard | k3: easytag |
| 00:14.12 | CosmoDad | |buya: ok seems to work... |
| 00:14.13 | |buya | easytag is the shit for that |
| 00:14.13 | superkitty | vox i agree with you, i used KDE on Debian switched to CentOS and noticed alot more speed, swithed back to Debian and still using gnome and even speedier |
| 00:14.13 | caphuso | Wyzard: yeah, but it's only a problem with KDE, not QT itself |
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| 00:14.23 | theboneman | do you guys just pull answers out of your ass sometimes |
| 00:14.33 | |buya | CosmoDad: cool... so it's fine now? |
| 00:14.45 | thingfish | hey, whichever orifice is handiest... |
| 00:14.56 | Wyzard | theboneman: Well, it's a text file... makes sense to edit it with a text editor |
| 00:15.02 | bucky | nicholas, does mozilla-js-debugger require java to be installed on your computer and a link to libjavaplugin_oji.so in your plugins dir ? |
| 00:15.04 | CosmoDad | |buya: hold on final test... |
| 00:15.10 | yoshio_ | magyar: potato was before woody, don't know the kernel version |
| 00:15.12 | |buya | kewl |
| 00:15.12 | Wyzard | caphuso: I suppose... I don't use KDE so I don't have firsthand experience with the problem |
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| 00:15.13 | theboneman | Wyzard sorry that wasnt aimed towards you |
| 00:15.24 | theboneman | anyone i dunno |
| 00:15.30 | nicholas | bucky: No. It's javascript, with no relationship with Java(tm). |
| 00:15.52 | Wyzard | bucky: Oddly enough, Java and JavsScript are completely unrelated |
| 00:15.57 | Guerin | stupid skool |
| 00:16.08 | dan2 | huh |
| 00:16.21 | dan2 | I just got myself banned from java on two networks for not doign anything |
| 00:16.28 | theboneman | cool |
| 00:16.29 | caphuso | Wyzard: it's not odd once you accept the inherent stupidity people working in marketing tend to develop :) |
| 00:16.30 | yoshio_ | ariel: apt-get install xchm |
| 00:16.38 | theboneman | java is for fags anyways... |
| 00:16.43 | WillySilly | is there a way for me to see whats making inotify start? |
| 00:16.45 | Guerin | this office has two strips of mains wire with outlets on them, wired in serial |
| 00:16.49 | Wyzard | caphuso: I know, it was a bandwagon thing |
| 00:16.55 | ariel | yoshio_: thanks |
| 00:16.59 | CosmoDad | |buya: if I sudo <foo>, I need to suply root's password right? |
| 00:17.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell theboneman -about gay |
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| 00:17.06 | |buya | yeah |
| 00:17.09 | Guerin | one point on one side has blown, and now half the room has no electricty |
| 00:17.11 | CosmoDad | |buya: s/suply/supply/ |
| 00:17.12 | theboneman | !tell dondelelcaro |
| 00:17.12 | Wyzard | theboneman: You should try Eclipse sometime... best code editor ever |
| 00:17.13 | k3 | Wyzard: I mean retriving id3 tag information from a somewhere (ex. musicbrainz.com) |
| 00:17.16 | theboneman | !tell dondelelcaro -gay |
| 00:17.17 | thingfish | yeah...I'm a fag, and I know nothing about java. |
| 00:17.19 | theboneman | lol |
| 00:17.22 | Wyzard | k3: ah... dunno about that, sorry |
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| 00:17.31 | |buya | no no no, your password |
| 00:17.34 | |buya | that's what sudo is for ;) |
| 00:17.38 | Guerin | theboneman: that's not the wisest thing you could do. |
| 00:17.48 | theboneman | heh |
| 00:17.51 | |buya | CosmoDad: just repeat your password |
| 00:18.01 | somePriest | bucky: Belated, but thank you for the URL. |
| 00:18.07 | theboneman | rofl |
| 00:18.11 | theboneman | you guys are noobs ;\ |
| 00:18.12 | magyar | yoshio_: thanks |
| 00:18.17 | vox | hmm ok im guessing that the gnome transition isnt completed yet.. |
| 00:18.18 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 00:18.24 | thingfish | tsk tsk |
| 00:18.25 | CosmoDad | |buya: yeah it works |
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| 00:18.43 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:20.27 | thingfish | imagine that, there's still some place (albeit virtual) where civil rights matter. |
| 00:20.49 | nicholas | Could someone try reproducing it for me? I don't want to bother the maintainer (Takuo Kitame) without cause. (That's Tools->Web Development->JavaScript Debugger for anyone with the mozilla-js-debugger package installed.) |
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| 00:21.20 | gin_ | gtkBitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - Linux 2.2.20-idepci |
| 00:21.21 | exobyte | I'm trying to set up a pptp proxy, forward all packets to a specific ip, but this ipchains script doesn't work. It seems to timeout when I try to access it. http://pastebin.ca/14197 |
| 00:21.23 | yoshio_ | WillySilly: see your /etc/rc2.d (assuming run level 2 is your default - see /etc/inittab) |
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| 00:21.37 | thingfish | oh gin_ I love your nick hehe. |
| 00:21.40 | Wyzard | exobyte: As an aside, ipchains is obsolete; use iptables |
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| 00:21.47 | johnnyt | hi all, anyone knows if it's enough to run gdm with 128mb or memory |
| 00:21.56 | exobyte | Wyzard: oops. I meant tables |
| 00:22.00 | gin_ | thingfish are ya girl ? |
| 00:22.11 | thingfish | I'm a big Tanqueray fan. |
| 00:22.16 | Wyzard | johnnyt: yes |
| 00:22.35 | vox | superkitty: heh i'm using an xp 2800+ with 1/2gig of ram.. i find opera taking so long to load a little.. disturbing :) |
| 00:22.41 | gin_ | im gin, by ginebra |
| 00:22.45 | gin_ | :) |
| 00:22.50 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 00:22.56 | johnnyt | Wyzard, i'm running gdm right now, and it's taking me 123 mb just to bring the gdm up |
| 00:23.00 | cinix | half a gig ? is that some kind of marketing plow? |
| 00:23.02 | cinix | loy |
| 00:23.05 | cinix | ploy |
| 00:23.08 | superkitty | vox i dont use opera sorry, using Firefox |
| 00:23.19 | rpmx | someone configure 00:11.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Modem Controller (rev 80) in woody ? |
| 00:23.22 | vox | hmm i should try firefox |
| 00:23.32 | cinix | f firefox. you think opera's slow... |
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| 00:23.47 | WillySilly | nope, nothing there |
| 00:23.49 | Wyzard | johnnyt: GDM's VM size is 10.2MB on my system |
| 00:23.55 | cinix | I've been running Mozilla Suite last few days and I get the feeling it's not as slugish |
| 00:24.02 | cinix | but maybe I just kick ass and have a fast computer |
| 00:24.08 | gin_ | how know a good tutorial for .. config my iptable's and ipchain's ? |
| 00:24.11 | SDFH_Linux | i dont use gdm |
| 00:24.15 | superkitty | vox firefox seems quick to me, but i am a linux noob |
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| 00:24.35 | bbrazil | gin_: try using shorewall, otherwise netfilter.org, the howtos |
| 00:24.49 | gin_ | bbrazil tnx |
| 00:25.00 | Wyzard | johnnyt: How are you determining how much RAM GDM is using? |
| 00:25.15 | johnnyt | Wyzard, yes gdm itself is small but stuff like nautilus and the gnome daemons, etc combine to be 123mb |
| 00:25.24 | yoshio_ | gin_: guarddog is a nice graphical iptables setup utility, simple and friendly, but not for sophisticated rules |
| 00:25.31 | Wyzard | johnnyt: Then you meant GNOME, not GDM |
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| 00:25.44 | johnnyt | Wyzard, ok sorry i meant GNOME |
| 00:25.44 | Wyzard | johnnyt: GDM is just the login screen |
| 00:26.02 | Wyzard | johnnyt: Yes, 128MB is a bit small for a full desktop environment like GNOME or KDE |
| 00:26.06 | Wyzard | johnnyt: It's usable though |
| 00:26.10 | bbrazil | johnnyt: they share libraries. thats virtual size, not physical size |
| 00:26.10 | gin_ | well i have a trouble more .. i unmount my partition .. mounted , somebody the command to unmount .. or change my /dev/hda1 partition ?.. |
| 00:26.15 | Azar | why tbm tells me that his grub did not updated when he upgraded to 2.6? isnt grub "magic" ? |
| 00:26.17 | johnnyt | Wyzard, really?? i thought gdm stands for gnome desktop manager |
| 00:26.25 | SDFH_Linux | the best thing i did was not to use gnome or kde stuff on here |
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| 00:26.50 | johnnyt | Wyzard, when i play mpg files it's quite choppy |
| 00:26.52 | Wyzard | johnnyt: Display manager, not desktop manager. It's a replacement for XDM that does basically the same thing but looks nicer. |
| 00:27.05 | johnnyt | Wyzard, ah..... Ic |
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| 00:27.18 | Wyzard | johnnyt: I can play divx just fine on my Thinkpad T20 (700MHz P3) with 128MB RAM |
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| 00:27.37 | Gskillet | anyone here used FakeAP before? |
| 00:28.04 | johnnyt | Wyzard, i guess i need to slim down GNOME. But how?? |
| 00:28.18 | gin_ | somebody can help me ? |
| 00:28.20 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it is, assuming you're using a Debian kernel. |
| 00:28.27 | Wyzard | johnnyt: I run GNOME on my Thinkpad too |
| 00:28.29 | dondelelcaro | (Debian or debianized...) |
| 00:28.32 | Wyzard | johnnyt: What video player do you use? |
| 00:28.52 | Azar | dondelecaro, tbm just told me he reinstalled Sarge with Debian installer which I have no idea of |
| 00:29.03 | Azar | and he said at kernel upgrade grub did not updated |
| 00:29.04 | johnnyt | Wyzard, real player 10 because i play rmvb too |
| 00:29.14 | Guerin | johnnyt: use xine |
| 00:29.15 | Azar | so he could not run Debian again |
| 00:29.31 | Wyzard | johnnyt: Ugh, get a better video player :-) |
| 00:29.40 | Wyzard | johnnyt: Try Totem... it's GNOME's "official" video player |
| 00:29.41 | Guerin | johnnyt: it'll play realvideo with w32codecs from marillat |
| 00:29.56 | Wyzard | Azar: Debian-Installer is what's on the Sarge install CDs |
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| 00:30.23 | E-bola | Hello all. I have been using sarge for a half year or so, but after the release of sarge as final i get 40 not found when running apt-get update |
| 00:30.27 | E-bola | what shoudl i change? |
| 00:30.31 | Guerin | hrm, this rlt8150 usb eth adaptor seems to be working just fine |
| 00:30.42 | gin_ | how can i install a file .deb ? |
| 00:30.46 | bucky | E-bola, change testing to sarge |
| 00:30.48 | Guerin | gin_: dpkg -i |
| 00:30.48 | Gskillet | anyone here used FakeAP before? |
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| 00:31.13 | gin_ | Guerin, ty. :) |
| 00:31.19 | E-bola | bucky: thanks |
| 00:31.24 | Guerin | E-bola: change 'testing' to 'sarge' on your security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:31.32 | Azar | someone make dpkg to msg me please |
| 00:31.39 | Azar | I cannot reach him |
| 00:31.48 | Guerin | !tell Azar about stupid bot tricks |
| 00:31.51 | dondelelcaro | Azar: just /msg dpkg help |
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| 00:31.57 | Azar | thanks |
| 00:31.59 | johnnyt | Wyzard, how much free memory is there on your notebook with just GNOME running? |
| 00:32.38 | yoshio_ | gin_: you unmounted a partition and mounted it then what? |
| 00:32.38 | Wyzard | johnnyt: I upgraded it to 384MB a few months ago when I started frequently using Eclipse, so I can't easily check that |
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| 00:32.52 | Wyzard | johnnyt: "Free memory" isn't as straightforward a thing as you might think, though |
| 00:33.01 | yoshio_ | gin_: dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 00:34.01 | Wyzard | johnnyt: First of all, since all GNOME apps use GTK, GLib, etc. there's actually only one copy of that code in memory, and they all reference it... if you just add up the sizes, you're counting that shared code multiple times when it really shouldn't be |
| 00:34.37 | Wyzard | johnnyt: Also, if a given page of memory hasn't been used for awhile (because it contains code that hasn't been executed recently, for example) it can be swapped out to disk and the RAM used for something else |
| 00:34.41 | dan2 | Wyzard: thats only true if the gtk and glib libraries are compiled -fPIC |
| 00:34.51 | Wyzard | dan2: which I'd be surprised if they weren't |
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| 00:35.36 | Wyzard | dan2: That's standard practice in making a library package, isn't it? |
| 00:35.42 | dan2 | Wyzard: not always |
| 00:35.44 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: depends on the architecture |
| 00:35.52 | Wyzard | On x86 |
| 00:35.53 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: is glib/gtk fPIC? |
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| 00:36.07 | dan2 | Wyzard: fPIC really really sucks on x86 |
| 00:36.37 | johnnyt | Wyzard, yes you're right but when i top my system there's 4mb of free memory |
| 00:36.47 | Wyzard | Really, fPIC should only be used when fpic doesn't work |
| 00:37.06 | gin_ | hmm.. |
| 00:37.07 | johnnyt | Wyzard, would that be enough say if i run firefox then play an mpg file at the same time?? |
| 00:37.32 | Wyzard | johnnyt: But when you try to load something that needs more than 4MB, some of what's already in RAM will be swapped out to disk to make room |
| 00:37.57 | dondelelcaro | dan2: I don't remember. |
| 00:37.59 | Wyzard | johnnyt: It's not like you can't run anything bigger than 4MB |
| 00:38.02 | gin_ | Unable to start guarddog firewall - /etc/rc.firewall does not exist |
| 00:38.13 | gin_ | what i must install .. what rc.firewall ? |
| 00:38.21 | dan2 | Wyzard: fpic exists? |
| 00:38.40 | johnnyt | Wyzard, yes but i'm suspecting that my system is swapping very often making the video choppy |
| 00:38.47 | Guerin | johnnyt: on my p3-733 at home, I run kde, firefox, bittorrent clients and a shitload of other stuff on one X server, and play fullscreen video on another |
| 00:39.00 | simonrvn | i assume guarddog writes out some rc.firewall script with your edits... |
| 00:39.06 | Wyzard | dan2: yes... according to the docs, fPIC produces slower code on some architectures, and should only be used when fpic fails due to exceeding some arch-dependent limit |
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| 00:39.40 | yoshio_ | gin_: as any user, run guarddog. save the rules to a file. as root, copy it to /etc/rc.firewall. as root, type /etc/init.d./guarddog start |
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| 00:40.11 | Wyzard | johnnyt: If your video player is (for the most part) the only thing actively running and doing stuff, it'll stay in RAM once it's loaded |
| 00:40.11 | gin_ | yoshio_, im as root. |
| 00:40.13 | Guerin | johnnyt: ram is almost certainly not your bottleneck when playing video - cpu and gpu are. Perhaps the best thing you can do it use xrandr to change the resolution of your screen down to something close to the native resolution of the video you're playing |
| 00:40.14 | dan2 | Wyzard: fpic doesn't exist on x86 |
| 00:40.28 | _meppl_ | gute nacht - good night |
| 00:40.36 | johnnyt | Guerin, my processor is 466MHz. Is it going to make a significant difference when i play a video compare to your p3 733?? |
| 00:40.44 | Guerin | johnnyt: scaling video up and down in software is really, really cpu-intensive. |
| 00:40.46 | Wyzard | johnnyt: If you have other stuff in the background that does intermittent spurts of processing, that could cause part of your player to get swapped out to make room for the other process |
| 00:41.03 | Wyzard | johnnyt: But just having the GNOME stuff (panel, Nautilus, etc.) loaded in the background shouldn't cause problems |
| 00:41.09 | Guerin | johnnyt: well, I used to play fullscreen video on my cel400 and cel500 without hassles. |
| 00:41.20 | johnnyt | Wyzard, ok ic |
| 00:41.36 | Guerin | johnnyt: my p2-233 can't quite handle it, though. |
| 00:41.39 | Wyzard | johnnyt: The reason I asked about what video player you're using is because of what Guerin said -- if it isn't using overlay, your CPU usage will be far higher than it needs to be |
| 00:41.41 | Azar | Wyzard after I have changed from 22 to 2222 sshd_config, saved, rebooted, now is back at 22? why? |
| 00:41.45 | johnnyt | Guerin, do u have a good video card?? mine is just onboard i810 |
| 00:42.01 | Guerin | johnnyt: nope. TNT2 using non-accellerated drivers. |
| 00:42.23 | Guerin | Azar: does sshd_config still say 2222? |
| 00:42.34 | simonrvn | dpkg 1.13.x does logging |
| 00:42.37 | cinix | I don't think video cards have come without overlay since like 1970 |
| 00:42.45 | simonrvn | .8 or .9 i think |
| 00:42.55 | James | where can i get the debian amd64 install cd? it looks like the current link is down |
| 00:42.55 | Wyzard | johnnyt: Try this... play a video, and while it's playing, drag the window around on the screen rapidly. Does the video itself take a moment to "catch up" with the window, and you can see blue or dark gray behind it in the meantime, or does it move smoothly with the window? |
| 00:42.56 | Guerin | johnnyt: using mplayer or xine, you're best to use the 'xv' output if your card supports it |
| 00:43.14 | Guerin | !tell james about amd68 |
| 00:43.15 | Guerin | !tell james about amd64 |
| 00:43.21 | johnnyt | Wyzard, it lags behind. I tried that already |
| 00:43.36 | Azar | Guerin no, it went back to original setting, 22 |
| 00:43.38 | Wyzard | johnnyt: OK, so it seems you're using overlay |
| 00:43.55 | Guerin | Azar: change it again. Changes should persist after a reboot. |
| 00:44.13 | Wyzard | johnnyt: It could just be a poor video card or poor driver or something |
| 00:44.13 | johnnyt | Guerin, ok i'll try mplayer |
| 00:44.14 | James | Gue, it gives a bad link... |
| 00:44.15 | Azar | ok Guerin I will try again |
| 00:44.22 | Guerin | johnnyt: try xine - it's in debian |
| 00:44.23 | simonrvn | sorry, starting in .5 |
| 00:44.25 | Wyzard | johnnyt: Try playing it in Totem or mplayer rather than realplayer, though |
| 00:44.27 | yoshio_ | gin_: did you select some checkboxes, and saved? |
| 00:44.31 | Guerin | James: which link? |
| 00:44.38 | simonrvn | /var/log/dpkg.log, rotated monthly |
| 00:44.51 | James | Guerin, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/ |
| 00:45.04 | Azar | is "port sentry" working / good for Debian Sarge? |
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| 00:45.20 | Guerin | James: or totem, since it's just xine. The problem with totem is that it's a dubmed-down interface. Better to start it from the cli, you get to mess about with different switches that way. |
| 00:45.23 | gin_ | yoshio_, i have a big problem apart .. check this.. |
| 00:45.31 | gin_ | hecking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 00:45.35 | James | Guerin, found a working link. Thanks for your help |
| 00:45.52 | Wyzard | gin_: apt-get install xlibs-dev |
| 00:46.18 | Wyzard | gin_: Development headers are always in a separate "-dev" package |
| 00:46.19 | yoshio_ | gin_: you did apt-get install guarddog, right? not compiled from source? |
| 00:46.36 | xbal | - |
| 00:46.44 | xbal | . |
| 00:47.31 | gin_ | yoshio_ i didn't |
| 00:47.55 | Wyzard | gin_: You should do so |
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| 00:48.09 | Wyzard | gin_: Don't compilie things from source unless you know what you're doing and you have a specific need to do it |
| 00:48.12 | gin_ | Wyzard ok, im trying |
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| 00:49.21 | mae | !marillat |
| 00:49.21 | dpkg | somebody said marillat was an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 00:49.27 | johnnyt | Wyzard, thank you for your help :). I'll try totem or mplayer |
| 00:49.32 | Gskillet | anyone here gotten FakeAP to work? |
| 00:49.49 | johnnyt | Guerin, thank you |
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| 00:52.22 | yoshio_ | Azar: do you have anything in SSHD_OPTS in /etc/default/ssh ? |
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| 00:52.44 | bucky | Gskillet, have you got a Prism2/2.5/3 based 802.11b cards with the CVS version of the Host AP Driver working ? |
| 00:53.16 | yoshio_ | Azar: what is the issue about grub not updating a kernel image after sarge was installed? |
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| 00:53.48 | Azar | yoshio tmb, a friend just reinstalled Sarge then proceeded to kernel 2.6.x upgrade |
| 00:53.48 | jasoncohen | is there a signifigant performance improvement on an amd64 chip using the amd64 port v. the i386 version of debian in 32 bit mode? I'm planning on putting a new system together with an AMD 64 3000+ and I"m wondering whether it's worth it to use the amd64 port |
| 00:53.58 | dan2 | jasoncohen: obviously |
| 00:54.06 | jasoncohen | *significant |
| 00:54.10 | Azar | he was never able to restart his Debian again |
| 00:54.10 | dan2 | yes |
| 00:54.11 | gin_ | Wyzard, its an error over other.. |
| 00:54.11 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: For most software, probably not |
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| 00:54.13 | Azar | grub did not worked |
| 00:54.19 | gin_ | Wyzard, check this: |
| 00:54.26 | gin_ | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 00:54.26 | gin_ | For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. |
| 00:54.29 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, what would i see a performance improvement in? |
| 00:54.36 | dan2 | Wyzard: there are significantly more registers, gcc can take advantage of that |
| 00:54.42 | Wyzard | dan2: ah, ok |
| 00:54.52 | Wyzard | dan2: I didn't know they'd added lots of registers |
| 00:54.54 | the_softrat | Where is the Samba chat at? |
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| 00:55.02 | dan2 | jasoncohen: don't listen to Wyzard; there is a significant speed increase due to the number of registers |
| 00:55.04 | Wyzard | gin_: You need to install the dev package for Qt too |
| 00:55.23 | Wyzard | gin_: But install guarddog with apt-get. Do not compile it from source. |
| 00:55.25 | yoshio_ | gin_: guarddog is a kde app, forgot to tell you that |
| 00:55.27 | the_softrat | anyone: Where is the Samba chat at? |
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| 00:55.57 | gin_ | Wyzard , the guarddog its installed |
| 00:56.00 | jasoncohen | dan2, so i would see a performance increase in regular desktop stuff like firefox & OO load times- not just when doing specialized tasks like dealing with large DBs |
| 00:56.05 | Wyzard | gin_: Then what are you trying to compile? |
| 00:56.09 | dan2 | jasoncohen: yes |
| 00:56.18 | gin_ | guarddog is already the newest version. |
| 00:56.18 | gin_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:56.34 | gin_ | Wyzard im compiling the new version.. |
| 00:56.38 | jasoncohen | dan2, thanks for the info |
| 00:56.48 | Wyzard | gin_: Don't do that |
| 00:56.49 | dan2 | jasoncohen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD64 |
| 00:57.01 | jasoncohen | i found a amd 64 3000+ retail cpu + mobo combo for $160 and couldn't pass it up |
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| 00:57.18 | SDFH_Linux | whoa where jasoncohen? |
| 00:57.21 | dan2 | Wyzard: double the number of registers, and they go from 32->64 bit |
| 00:57.23 | jasoncohen | outpost |
| 00:57.33 | dan2 | Wyzard: so you could store 2 32 bits per register... |
| 00:57.37 | yoshio_ | gin_: I'm running guarddog 2.4.0-1, what is wrong with it? why use a newer one? |
| 00:57.37 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, it's currently on backorder though- but i'm willing to wait |
| 00:57.44 | yoshio_ | gin_: i'm running etch (testing) |
| 00:57.45 | Guerin | hrm, what to use to check what speed my nic is connected at if mii-tool won't work? |
| 00:57.48 | SDFH_Linux | on the outpost? |
| 00:57.52 | Wyzard | gin_: When you install non-packaged software, you're dumping a bunch of files on your system that aren't tracked by dpkg and can't be automatically removed or upgraded. It's messy and can break things if you don't know what you're doing. |
| 00:58.11 | jasoncohen | also, for most desktop tasks, is 512 MB of pc3200 DDR sufficient or will i see an advantage with a 1 GB? |
| 00:58.15 | SDFH_Linux | you got link jasoncohen? |
| 00:58.16 | Wyzard | gin_: As I said before, unless you know what you're doing and have a specific need for it, don't compile stuff from source. |
| 00:58.26 | gin_ | Wyzard, right .. the guarddog its running right now ty.. |
| 00:58.31 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4301885?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG |
| 00:58.31 | Guerin | jasoncohen: might as well buy as much ram as you might ever want - it's pretty cheap now |
| 00:58.32 | gin_ | but i can't config nothing.. |
| 00:58.35 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 00:58.36 | E-bola | Wyzard: or u cant get it as a package.... |
| 00:58.36 | gin_ | bbl |
| 00:58.53 | Wyzard | E-bola: Even then, it's best not to do it if you don't know what you're doing |
| 00:58.54 | jasoncohen | Guerin, but will i ever see a speed increase? |
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| 00:59.01 | the_softrat | Wyzard: So ... what's the package for kernel-AMD-K6-II ? |
| 00:59.04 | Guerin | jasoncohen: from what? |
| 00:59.07 | Wyzard | E-bola: Not being available in a package only fulfills the "specific need" criterion :-) |
| 00:59.16 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux, also, outpost has a deal on 512 MB PC3200 PNY DDR for $20 after rebate |
| 00:59.32 | jasoncohen | Guerin, from 1 GB v. 512 MB |
| 00:59.33 | Wyzard | the_softrat: I'm not sure whether a K6 counts as 686 |
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| 00:59.39 | Guerin | jasoncohen: you'd be a fool not to buy it at that priice |
| 00:59.43 | Wyzard | the_softrat: Just use 386 to be safe... it's not a huge difference |
| 00:59.49 | Guerin | no, a k6 is a 386 |
| 00:59.50 | the_softrat | Wyzard: Neither do I.... |
| 00:59.54 | jasoncohen | Guerin, i think it's only on one |
| 01:00.12 | the_softrat | Wyzard: So I guess that I keep compiling the kernel. |
| 01:00.14 | shingouz | the_softrat: isn't there a K6 version of the kernels too? |
| 01:00.14 | bucky | the_softrat, apt-cache search kernel-image |grep k6 |
| 01:00.25 | jasoncohen | dan2, are you running the amd64 port? |
| 01:00.49 | bucky | the_softrat, which amd k6 do you have? |
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| 01:00.57 | Wyzard | Ah, there are indeed k6 builds... I thought there were only k7 |
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| 01:01.20 | the_softrat | bucky: thantk you!!! |
| 01:01.24 | bucky | the_softrat, which amd k6 do you have? |
| 01:01.39 | the_softrat | bucky: k6-II-550 |
| 01:01.42 | jasoncohen | btw- does the amd64 port have all the packages that the i386 has? |
| 01:01.44 | bucky | cool |
| 01:01.57 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Many, but not all |
| 01:02.05 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, how do i check? |
| 01:02.25 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: You could grab two Packages files (one from each) and diff them |
| 01:02.30 | the_softrat | bucky: so I gotta swicth boxes now -- be back eventually. |
| 01:02.38 | jasoncohen | good idea, thanks |
| 01:02.51 | bucky | jasoncohen, debian amd64 has almost everything.. and if it doesn't you can run a 32 bit app in the chroot |
| 01:04.02 | E-bola | if i want apic turned off and have to tell "noapic" to the kernel |
| 01:04.05 | E-bola | where do i do that? |
| 01:04.09 | E-bola | in grub? |
| 01:04.18 | bucky | yup |
| 01:04.19 | Wyzard | E-bola: Yes, in your bootloader config |
| 01:04.31 | bucky | menu.lst |
| 01:04.47 | E-bola | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro single |
| 01:04.50 | E-bola | ina line like that? |
| 01:04.53 | yoshio_ | E-bola: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 01:05.49 | the_softrat | bucky: GAAACK! It's a 2.4.27 kernel. I am running 2.6.8! |
| 01:05.56 | SDFH_Linux | is that is what causing when i shutdown for it to hang and i get a apic mesage ? |
| 01:06.07 | bucky | the_softrat, compile your own |
| 01:06.17 | the_softrat | bucky: I did. |
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| 01:06.42 | the_softrat | bucky: Can I run 2.6.11? (compiling my own, of course) |
| 01:07.09 | bucky | of course.. select k6 in kernel options |
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| 01:07.31 | the_softrat | bucky: Well, I didn't know if there was some 'debian |
| 01:07.39 | the_softrat | ' modification.... |
| 01:08.04 | SDFH_Linux | where do i put the no apic in /boot/grub/ist? |
| 01:08.13 | Wyzard | the_softrat: You could grab kernel-source-2.6.11 from testing |
| 01:08.19 | the_softrat | bucky: One *never* knows..... |
| 01:08.55 | cddesjar | how do i set up a printer in debian? |
| 01:08.58 | the_softrat | bucky & Wyzard: How do I get this bucket of s**t to upgrade to 'etch'? |
| 01:08.58 | cddesjar | i found my ppd |
| 01:09.04 | bucky | the_softrat, make sure you have cramfs and ramdisk selected and use the --initrd option like this |
| 01:09.05 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 01:09.11 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: in the line that looks like kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=771 acpi=on |
| 01:09.15 | E-bola | Is there anyway i can see what options was given to the kernel at bootup? |
| 01:09.18 | Wyzard | the_softrat: I'm not suggesting that you uprade your whole system to etch, just that you grab one specific package |
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| 01:09.29 | simonrvn | /proc/cmdline |
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| 01:09.40 | remmy_ | my thunderbird will not start, could someone help me? |
| 01:10.01 | E-bola | thank simonrvn |
| 01:10.05 | Wyzard | the_softrat: But if you want to do so, edit your sources.list, replace "sarge" or "stable" with "testing" or "etch", update and upgrade |
| 01:10.06 | cddesjar | i am trying to install a usb printer |
| 01:10.11 | abrotman | remmy_: a little more info might be goo |
| 01:10.19 | cddesjar | a dell A920 which is a Lexmark X1150 |
| 01:10.20 | bucky | the_softrat, suggestion stay with sarge and use the kernel-source from apt-get |
| 01:10.24 | ariel | remmy_: when was the last time you saw it working?, what did you do after that? |
| 01:10.36 | yoshio_ | the_softrat: in /etc/apt/apt/conf, change "sarge" to testing |
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| 01:10.49 | remmy_ | i tried installing a hotmail extension but i did not install webmail extension first |
| 01:11.05 | abrotman | so uninstall it ? |
| 01:11.14 | SDFH_Linux | yoshio it doesnt have a line saying acpi=on |
| 01:11.17 | remmy_ | now when it starts it loads... but nothing happens, ive apt-get removed and apt-get installed it |
| 01:11.23 | SDFH_Linux | no acpi is even mentioned |
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| 01:11.41 | SDFH_Linux | but its hanging when i shutdown and saying its turning off the acpi |
| 01:11.42 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: my notebook uses acpi, my previous notebook used apm. use whatever is appropriate for you |
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| 01:11.54 | gin_ | yoshio_, the guarddog its running but, i can't config nothing... the propertys its aviable. |
| 01:12.04 | jetx | hey this isn't working what is wrong: /bin/sh -c "rxvt -bg Black -fg White" -e /usr/bin/irssi-text |
| 01:12.12 | the_softrat | yoshio: I don't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf..... |
| 01:12.15 | SDFH_Linux | yohshio am i suppose to write that in acpi=off because i have no apm or acpi listing there |
| 01:12.27 | Wyzard | the_softrat: Ignore yoshio_ -- that's not the way to upgrade to etch |
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| 01:12.53 | the_softrat | OK, OK! I will stay with sarge for the time being! |
| 01:13.11 | Guerin | jetx: move your final " to the end of the line |
| 01:13.24 | zizban | can anyone tell me how to add an wm entry to wdm |
| 01:13.25 | the_softrat | But sarge with 2.6.11 kernel (or whatever).... |
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| 01:13.27 | Guerin | jetx: -e is a switch to rxvt |
| 01:13.31 | jetx | Guerin: i tried it, it wouldn't work... i'll try again though |
| 01:13.33 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: no, don't put acpi there at all, unless in /var/log/messages on bootup you see that acpi is recognized |
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| 01:14.06 | jetx | nope :( |
| 01:14.07 | the_softrat | Meanwhile: who can help me with my Samba problem? |
| 01:14.09 | SDFH_Linux | yoshio when its shuts down it says that acpi off or turns off or something like that |
| 01:14.12 | ariel | remmy did you try dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-thunderbird ? |
| 01:14.14 | proctologiste | anyone have any idea when you think sid would be slightly less... unstable? |
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| 01:14.19 | SDFH_Linux | but the computer just sits there and nver turns off |
| 01:14.32 | jetx | i tried putting that " everywhere it might make a diff |
| 01:14.49 | jetx | the fg & bg works |
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| 01:15.14 | cddesjar | if i am |
| 01:15.18 | cddesjar | hi |
| 01:15.21 | remmy_ | ariel, just did that.. no results |
| 01:15.27 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: i need the "acpi=on" to make it turn off my notebook on shutdown. check /var/log/messages for your bootup - does it say acpi is recognized? |
| 01:15.35 | jetx | maybe first |
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| 01:15.45 | SDFH_Linux | let me look |
| 01:15.48 | cddesjar | could someone help me set up my printer using CUPS |
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| 01:16.08 | the_softrat | Yeah: the same guy who will help me with my Samba problem. |
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| 01:16.45 | SDFH_Linux | ok yoshio i checked that log |
| 01:16.49 | gin_ | yoshio_, guarddog say's that ipchains is not compatible with the kernel, 2.2.20 |
| 01:16.52 | cddesjar | is acpi build in the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 01:16.52 | yoshio_ | the_softrat: I have in /etc/apt/apt.conf : APT::Default-Release "testing"; DPkg { Options {"--force-overwrite";"--force-downgrade";} |
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| 01:17.04 | SDFH_Linux | its says that using acpi (MADT) for SMP configuration information |
| 01:17.14 | gin_ | yoshio_, should i update it ? |
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| 01:17.16 | the_softrat | yoshio: Thanks! |
| 01:17.17 | Wyzard | gin_: ipchains is correct for 2.2 kernels, but why are you running such an old kernel? |
| 01:17.49 | jetx | yoshio_: i see you like to live dangerously |
| 01:17.49 | popeye | YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME |
| 01:17.49 | popeye | YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) |
| 01:17.49 | SDFH_Linux | yoshio apparantly it is using acpi |
| 01:17.49 | gin_ | Wyzard, this got debian r5 .. |
| 01:17.51 | yoshio_ | cddesjar: apm and acpi are on in default kernels, but you need acpi=on or apm=on in your bootloader |
| 01:17.52 | popeye | YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME |
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| 01:17.56 | popeye | YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL MAH NIGGAZ (WWW.GNAA.US MOTHERFUCKER) YOU DISS ME YOU DISS ALL |
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| 01:17.57 | jetx | kick the ass plz |
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| 01:18.01 | jetx | \o/ |
| 01:18.02 | cddesjar | yoshio where would i add that? |
| 01:18.05 | simonrvn | because s/he hasn't upgraded the kernel since it was installed |
| 01:18.08 | jetx | !caphuso++ |
| 01:18.12 | bucky | cddesjar, point your browser to http://localhost:631/admin and add the printer |
| 01:18.13 | gin_ | damn.. kiddies |
| 01:18.15 | cddesjar | or how would i add that to grub.conf |
| 01:18.22 | simonrvn | stupid ... |
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| 01:18.24 | SDFH_Linux | ok so like i said yoshio its says that i am using it |
| 01:18.24 | kbrooks | caphuso++ |
| 01:18.26 | richie086 | i too remember being 13 yeras old |
| 01:18.28 | kbrooks | gnaa-- |
| 01:18.29 | cddesjar | where would my usb printer be bucky? |
| 01:18.36 | bucky | cddesjar, point your browser to http://localhost:631/admin and add the printer |
| 01:18.38 | gin_ | Wyzard, this got debian r5 .. |
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| 01:18.45 | gin_ | 2.2.x |
| 01:18.48 | simonrvn | and gnaa is troll org. - go figure... |
| 01:18.52 | Wyzard | gin_: If you mean woody r5, now's a good time to upgrade to sarge |
| 01:19.00 | Wyzard | gin_: Even woody provides 2.4 though |
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| 01:19.07 | yoshio_ | gin_: what kernel are you running? guarddog can do ipchains (kernel 2.2) or iptables (kernel 2.4/2.6) |
| 01:19.09 | simonrvn | and do that kernel while you're at it |
| 01:19.14 | gin_ | Wyzard its up the final sarge ? |
| 01:19.22 | simonrvn | sarge is released |
| 01:19.23 | Wyzard | gin_: It was released a week ago |
| 01:19.27 | cddesjar | bucky: what's the location? |
| 01:19.28 | jetx | yes gin |
| 01:19.35 | proctologiste | is sid usable at the moment? |
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| 01:19.42 | proctologiste | i'm pretty scared to dist-upgrade |
| 01:19.44 | jetx | yyes proctologiste |
| 01:19.47 | cddesjar | yoshio: how do i add acpi=on to my kernel? |
| 01:19.50 | proctologiste | i'm in an old usntable |
| 01:19.56 | caphuso | proctologiste: sid just got a new experimental dpkg version. do the math |
| 01:19.58 | simonrvn | gin_: suggestion: subscribe to debian-announce, debian-security-announce, debian-devel-announce |
| 01:19.59 | bucky | cddesjar, did you type that address into your browser address bar? |
| 01:20.04 | cddesjar | yup |
| 01:20.08 | SDFH_Linux | i just want acpi off on my kernel |
| 01:20.08 | cddesjar | i went to add printer |
| 01:20.08 | jetx | proctologiste: the gnome is done, 'should' be ok.. i waited a day myself |
| 01:20.11 | gin_ | ok.. i'll upgrade it. but before.. i have mounted, a partition, ntfs but got a lock.. |
| 01:20.13 | cddesjar | i typed in the printer name |
| 01:20.14 | Wyzard | proctologiste: There are some GNOME transition issues that will cause some of its packages to be removed if you dist-upgrade, but on the whole, it works fine |
| 01:20.16 | bucky | cddesjar, did it ask you for a passwd? |
| 01:20.17 | kbrooks | proctologiste, if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using sid |
| 01:20.18 | yoshio_ | cddesjar: in /boot/grub/menu.list see the kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=771 acpi=on |
| 01:20.20 | cddesjar | yup |
| 01:20.23 | gin_ | how can i take off it ? |
| 01:20.28 | kbrooks | UdontKnow, pm noted.... |
| 01:20.30 | jetx | kbrooks: he means an existing sid |
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| 01:20.31 | bucky | cddesjar, use the interface |
| 01:20.33 | jetx | i believe |
| 01:20.34 | Wyzard | proctologiste: Do a plain upgrade first... that won't remove anything, and should be safe |
| 01:20.40 | cddesjar | what's the ro vga=771 stuff mean? |
| 01:20.44 | the_softrat | Wyzard: Is 'Samba' the Word of Death around here? |
| 01:20.49 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: if you want it off, don't need to mention acpi in your grub config |
| 01:20.51 | jetx | man lilo.conf |
| 01:20.56 | jetx | or grub |
| 01:20.57 | UdontKnow | kbrooks: :) |
| 01:21.00 | edt | what ties an interface to a device? I have an eth0 and eth1, I always want eth0 to be the 100m connection and eth1 the 1g if I ask for it only |
| 01:21.06 | proctologiste | kbrooks: haha, well, i've been using sid for a while, with not many compalints. i was wondering if things already aren't as badly broken as they were right after. |
| 01:21.07 | cddesjar | i clicked add printer...it asks for the name of my printer...i added it...it asks for the location but i don't know where it's located |
| 01:21.20 | SDFH_Linux | then i wonder why is my computer hanging on shutdown |
| 01:21.22 | Azar | how can I block telnet? |
| 01:21.24 | craigevil | sid is fun after every release, lots of new packages some bad some good |
| 01:21.28 | edt | now every couple of boots it switches them... |
| 01:21.31 | caphuso | sid just started to become broken |
| 01:21.33 | SDFH_Linux | and it mentions acpi |
| 01:21.35 | the_softrat | bucky: Is 'Samba' the Word of Death around here? |
| 01:21.36 | Wyzard | the_softrat: Not really |
| 01:21.38 | kbrooks | Azar, firestarter |
| 01:21.44 | gin_ | Wyzard, i have mounted, a partition, ntfs but got a lock.. how can i take off it ? .. |
| 01:21.44 | proctologiste | they threw out Thc-Hydra, which is sorta sad. |
| 01:21.47 | proctologiste | I can't find it anywhere. |
| 01:21.48 | Azar | thanks kbrooks |
| 01:21.59 | bucky | the_softrat, apt-get samba-doc and read it |
| 01:22.01 | kbrooks | shorewall's good |
| 01:22.01 | Azar | command not found on firestarter |
| 01:22.01 | proctologiste | Unless it was on an external repo... I'm not sure, lost my old sources.list |
| 01:22.06 | yoshio_ | cddesjar: my laptop can do better than 80x25 for a text console for the vga=771, ro is read-only |
| 01:22.06 | Wyzard | gin_: A lock? |
| 01:22.07 | gin_ | i did a mount .. as basic, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdx /mnt/dir |
| 01:22.07 | kbrooks | guarddog too |
| 01:22.08 | craigevil | even testing has a few buggy apps right now |
| 01:22.10 | jetx | close whatever's accessing that, or whatever WAS accessing that |
| 01:22.17 | kbrooks | apt-get it |
| 01:22.19 | simonrvn | edt: depends how you do it. i build them as modules, then load them in the order i want in /etc/modules. you can do similar things with append="", aliases in the module-init-tools files, and some other thing if built in |
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| 01:22.25 | gin_ | Wyzard, yes i can't, enter to read.. |
| 01:22.29 | the_softrat | bucky: thank you! |
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| 01:22.36 | gin_ | i can't only of conlose as root |
| 01:22.41 | cddesjar | ok |
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| 01:22.53 | gin_ | can't/can* |
| 01:22.55 | cddesjar | bucky: how do i find out the location of my printer? |
| 01:23.01 | Wyzard | gin_: That's a permissions issue. NTFS doesn't contain permissions that are usable in Linux, so the NTFS driver simulates them, and the default is root-only. |
| 01:23.01 | edt | simonrvn is there a write up some place (debian specific) |
| 01:23.02 | cddesjar | usually it's just /dev/lp0 |
| 01:23.16 | Wyzard | gin_: Look up the "uid", "gid", and "umask" options for NTFS in the mount manpage |
| 01:23.25 | bucky | cddesjar, it should show up if you have your usb system working and cups running |
| 01:24.03 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: I'd put "acpi=on" in your grub config, and see if it powers off your machine on shutdown |
| 01:24.13 | michal_ | hmm.. jigdo doesn't seem to work properly.. |
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| 01:24.26 | michal_ | all files it looks for are 404 |
| 01:24.33 | simonrvn | edt: /msg dpkg faq. but it's so simple to do that a bit of reading of man pages gets you where you wanna go. check that faq out first, then the wiki at wiki.debian.net |
| 01:24.50 | cddesjar | i think i have my usb working...do i need hotplug working? |
| 01:25.08 | SDFH_Linux | where do i put that yoshio after what line? |
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| 01:25.14 | gin_ | mount -t ntfs -o ro,uid=[tu_nombre_usuario] /dev/hda1/ /media/Window |
| 01:25.16 | gin_ | i did a new mount to other partition ntfs and workds good: |
| 01:25.16 | Wyzard | michal_: Try a different mirror maybe |
| 01:25.31 | gin_ | Wyzard i did that mount and works good .. |
| 01:25.45 | gin_ | tu_nomre_usuario, mean.. name_user |
| 01:25.47 | cddesjar | bucky: when i do ./usb in /usr/lib/cups/backend it says this |
| 01:25.54 | edt | simonrvn thanks I am sure it simple its just something I only have to do every couple of years so I forget... |
| 01:26.06 | cddesjar | direct usb://Dell/A920 "Dell A920" "USB Printer #1" |
| 01:26.06 | simonrvn | edt: yeh exactly, heh |
| 01:26.08 | michal_ | wyzard: i don't know if we have a mirror of http://security.debian.org/ |
| 01:26.19 | SDFH_Linux | is it after root=/dev/hda2 ro yoshio? |
| 01:26.26 | cddesjar | i know with slackware it was always at /dev/lp0 |
| 01:26.31 | cddesjar | but with debian i have no clue |
| 01:26.34 | gin_ | Wyzard, but now i can't unmount the old partition.. how can i make it ?.. |
| 01:26.43 | Wyzard | michal_: I mean when using jigdo... it asks you which mirror site you want to download from, IIRC |
| 01:26.45 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: put it after the other options, but order doesn't matter |
| 01:26.46 | cddesjar | i also don't see it showing up in /usr/lib/cups/backend |
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| 01:26.55 | Wyzard | gin_: umount doesn't work? |
| 01:27.09 | SDFH_Linux | should it take affect right away yoshio? |
| 01:27.23 | SDFH_Linux | or do i have to reboot then shutdown again to see if it worked |
| 01:27.51 | jair | guys I have a server with 2 HD the hda1 is running sarge and the hdb1 is a 250 GB for information and files |
| 01:28.11 | simonrvn | good for you |
| 01:28.12 | jair | I need to install in that server windows and I do not want to mess anything on it |
| 01:28.15 | at0m|c | /7/ |
| 01:28.17 | SDFH_Linux | either way i am going to save this and try it |
| 01:28.20 | SDFH_Linux | brb |
| 01:28.32 | jair | the server is running phpmyadmin, mysql server, apache hosting my web site |
| 01:28.33 | Wyzard | jair: Then you need to repartition it so you have some room for a Windows partition |
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| 01:28.40 | simonrvn | we're not a windows support channel |
| 01:28.41 | jair | and some other important things |
| 01:28.49 | jair | Wyzard, ok |
| 01:28.54 | jair | that is logic |
| 01:28.55 | cddesjar | maybe my usb isn't working |
| 01:29.04 | bucky | cddesjar, printconf |
| 01:29.04 | yoshio_ | gin_: some process is still using your mounted directory. if you are cd'ed into a mounted directory, cd out of it. or a process is using a mounted directory |
| 01:29.06 | gin_ | Wyzard, i have resolved, ty. |
| 01:29.33 | cddesjar | as root at the prompt? |
| 01:29.40 | cddesjar | it says command not found |
| 01:29.42 | jair | Wyzard, but the thing is I can repartition the 250GB to make a partition for linux and like 8GB for windows can i do that |
| 01:29.44 | jair | ? |
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| 01:29.52 | Wyzard | sure |
| 01:30.19 | bucky | cddesjar, apt-get install printconf |
| 01:30.32 | cddesjar | ok |
| 01:30.36 | cddesjar | that's what i figured |
| 01:30.38 | gin_ | Wyzard, sorry for molest u too much .. |
| 01:30.41 | gin_ | im newbie |
| 01:30.47 | Azar | kbrooks, firestarter does not work in terminal mode? |
| 01:30.52 | michal_ | wtf would security be on http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ ?? |
| 01:31.15 | Wyzard | michal_: For mirroring purposes, I guess |
| 01:31.28 | michal_ | wyzard: WHERE not WHAT :) |
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| 01:31.57 | jair | Wyzard, this is how it look like now ---> http://rafb.net/paste/results/r6rSa021.html |
| 01:31.58 | gin_ | Wyzard, i have a trouble of thounsands more.. my SB Live not works.. |
| 01:32.17 | Wyzard | michal_: ah... it'd be in stable/updates, according to what the sources.list entry says |
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| 01:32.21 | jair | gin_, what distro do you have? |
| 01:32.29 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.30 | jair | sarge sid woody? |
| 01:32.31 | yoshio_ | gin_: what is the error with ipchains and guarddog? what kernel are you running ? type uname -a |
| 01:32.58 | Wyzard | jair: Use a tool such as parted to resize that hdb1 |
| 01:33.00 | remmy_ | can you install quake on linux... do you have to buy the "special linux version"? |
| 01:33.01 | michal_ | wyzard: ahh.. there there is no stabble/updates .. and for some reason the main debian security archive doesn't exist |
| 01:33.08 | gin_ | jair, debian Woody 3.0 r5 |
| 01:33.18 | yoshio_ | michal_: there are no mirrors for security, go directly to debian |
| 01:33.20 | Wyzard | michal_: Maybe they don't mirror security, then |
| 01:33.25 | gin_ | yoshio i have 2.2.20 |
| 01:33.26 | jair | gin_, check this web site follow the commands and you will be able of use your sound. http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html |
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| 01:33.49 | scanwinder | does anyone have the imation disc stakka working in linux? |
| 01:33.49 | cddesjar | bucky it was unable to install my printer |
| 01:33.52 | Wyzard | remmy_: There's no "special version" to buy... just download the installer from ftp.idsoftware.com or one of its mirrors, and use the pk3 files from your original CD |
| 01:34.09 | jair | gin_, follow the link I gave you very easy ok, just type everything is there if do not find some of the commands skip and continue with the next one. |
| 01:34.11 | mith | lol games |
| 01:34.21 | cddesjar | oh well...i'll be brb |
| 01:34.26 | michal_ | yoshio: 404 for all files |
| 01:34.33 | bucky | cddesjar, do a google search for your printer and linux.. some aren't supported |
| 01:34.40 | Wyzard | michal_: I thought you were trying to download a CD image with jigdo |
| 01:34.51 | jair | Wyzard, actually I can cfdisk the hdb1 again or it is more healthy for the hd use qparted? |
| 01:35.14 | Wyzard | jair: Don't just delete the partition and make a new one, or you'll damage the filesystem and lose your data. |
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| 01:35.25 | jair | Wyzard, the hdb1 is a 250GB and it is formatted all as a 83 = ext3 linux |
| 01:35.28 | michal_ | wyzard: i am.. and all files it tries to download are 404 |
| 01:35.28 | Wyzard | jair: You need to resize the filesystem first. |
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| 01:36.03 | Wyzard | michal_: Debian install CDs don't contain files from the security server, so I don't think that's what it's trying to download. |
| 01:36.12 | jair | Wyzard, ok so you are saying to use the qparted and then resized it the part that I will rezize will remain unpartitioned then? |
| 01:36.24 | michal_ | wyzard: so why does it default to Debian mirror [http://security.debian.org/]: ?? :/ |
| 01:36.25 | Wyzard | jair: Then you need to use e2resize, or (probably easier) GNU parted to resize the filesystem |
| 01:36.38 | Wyzard | michal_: I dunno; what CD are you trying to download? |
| 01:36.56 | michal_ | wyzard: the first one from sarge |
| 01:36.57 | gin_ | jair: i found it: |
| 01:37.01 | gin_ | gin:/mnt# lspci | grep audio |
| 01:37.01 | gin_ | 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05) |
| 01:37.05 | yoshio_ | michal_: are you on sarge |
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| 01:37.19 | jair | gin_, told you my friend :) |
| 01:37.44 | michal_ | yoshio: yes |
| 01:37.52 | jair | gin_, if you continue installing all the alsa packages you will end with the SB working . |
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| 01:38.08 | yoshio_ | michal_: in /etc/apt/sources.list, did you change the security line to deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib |
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| 01:38.36 | yoshio_ | michal_: "testing" needed to be changed to "sarge", known issue |
| 01:38.45 | Wyzard | michal_: I just downloaded debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.jigdo, and it does not contain the word "security" in it anywhere |
| 01:38.50 | michal_ | yoshio: i didn't change anything.. it's the 3.1r0a release |
| 01:38.54 | gin_ | jair, got an error. |
| 01:39.00 | Wyzard | michal_: Whatever you're downloading, it isn't an official Debian release CD |
| 01:39.14 | jair | Wyzard, do you know how to add the windo$ crap OS to the grub boot menu? |
| 01:39.19 | gin_ | gin:/mnt# bash: jack: command not found |
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| 01:39.29 | michal_ | wyzard: then what is this?? jigdo-lite http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.jigdo |
| 01:39.35 | gin_ | i must install jack |
| 01:39.42 | jair | gin_, it is ok just skip it maybe do not exist anymore |
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| 01:40.21 | michal_ | it doesn't matter anyway.. i've changed it to http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian and it seems to be working |
| 01:40.24 | cddesjar | well apparently AC Adaptor and Control Battery monitor aren't enabled in the kernel |
| 01:40.34 | gin_ | the alsaconf do not detect |
| 01:40.37 | gin_ | the soundcard |
| 01:40.40 | jair | skip that part , the most important is install the alsabase and the oss, an the other ones that exist still then you will have to run "alsaconf" |
| 01:40.40 | Azar | sshd resets itself to port 22 did it 2 times and rebooted |
| 01:40.46 | cddesjar | the default kernel |
| 01:40.46 | Wyzard | michal_: That looks like the URL for an official jigdo file, but I just downloaded that file with wget, opened it with zless, and did a search for the word "security", and found nothing |
| 01:40.47 | jair | gin_, skip that part , the most important is install the alsabase and the oss, an the other ones that exist still then you will have to run "alsaconf" |
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| 01:41.10 | jair | gin_, then you will do the alsactl store to save the configuration |
| 01:41.17 | michal_ | wyzard: maybe it grabs the first entry from the sources.list file? which happens to point to security |
| 01:41.18 | jair | and speakertest |
| 01:41.22 | jair | ok |
| 01:41.24 | Wyzard | Azar: Could be a backdoor or something, changing the configuration to ensure that the attacker still has access. Have you reinstalled yet? |
| 01:41.26 | digijohn | hey guys, I just installed Sarge on an older PC, but when I try to set up dialup, I run into some problems |
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| 01:41.32 | Wyzard | michal_: Possible, I dunno |
| 01:41.36 | bucky | cddesjar, you should update your kernel from the install kernel |
| 01:41.41 | Azar | Wyzard I have not reinstalled |
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| 01:41.50 | Wyzard | Azar: Before you do anything else, reinstall. |
| 01:41.58 | digijohn | I ran pppconfig and set up everything exactly like I did on my other machine, which works. |
| 01:41.59 | cddesjar | by recompiling it bucky? |
| 01:42.07 | michal_ | wyzard: that's not the only questionable default with relation to sarge (but i guess this is more a jigdo issue) |
| 01:42.08 | cddesjar | i need to get the source right using apt-get? |
| 01:42.14 | bucky | cddesjar, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 01:42.14 | JeffH | does the smtpd-amavis service need to be run with chroot? |
| 01:42.15 | gin_ | jair, chec this: |
| 01:42.18 | Azar | Wyzard trhis will take me thru woody/sarge/kernel again |
| 01:42.18 | gin_ | gin:/# alsactl store |
| 01:42.19 | gin_ | alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found... |
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| 01:42.29 | Wyzard | Azar: Might be a good idea to disconnect the machine from the network, install it from CD only, and not plug in the network until the box is configured and firewalled. |
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| 01:42.49 | Wyzard | Azar: I'm not sure what you mean by "woody/sarge/kernel" |
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| 01:42.52 | Azar | Wyzard I do not know how to firewall Debian |
| 01:42.53 | yoshio_ | Azar: did you change /etc/default/ssh ? |
| 01:43.00 | Wyzard | Azar: I told you earlier, install FireHOL |
| 01:43.04 | Azar | Wyzard I allways reinstall from Woody |
| 01:43.10 | digijohn | When I ran "pon", however, the "TR" light on my modem came on, then about 15 seconds later it dialed out. The last line visible from "plog" is "sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]" |
| 01:43.17 | Wyzard | Azar: Sarge was released a week ago, so you should install that. |
| 01:43.18 | gin_ | jair, ill to install all the tools alsa firts. |
| 01:43.24 | Azar | yoshio_ yes but everytime I reboot it falls back to port 22 |
| 01:43.32 | cddesjar | argh |
| 01:43.43 | Wyzard | yoshio_: It's a compromised box. Who knows what rootkits and backdoors have been installed. |
| 01:43.48 | jair | gin_, yes you have to install evrything from alsa first then run the alsactl store |
| 01:43.50 | yoshio_ | cddesjar: acpi controls that on my notebook, maybe the asus_acpi kernel module does something too (I have an Asus notebook) |
| 01:44.04 | jair | abrotman, hello how are you/ |
| 01:44.14 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:44.15 | jair | resiak, are you busy my friend? |
| 01:44.16 | remmy_ | i installed linux as a secound operating system on my computer. I hardly use windows anymore, is it possible to resize the partitions at this point? |
| 01:44.31 | jair | abrotman, you are so quiet busy? |
| 01:44.39 | Azar | Wyzard I should have a means to find backdoors, in Debian |
| 01:44.48 | Azar | Is there anything that can show me? |
| 01:44.51 | cddesjar | i need to recompile my kernel if i want a battery monitor then right? |
| 01:44.52 | abrotman | jair: 4400 |
| 01:45.01 | jair | abrotman, I am trying to resize my hd using the software parted |
| 01:45.03 | cddesjar | i have already got 2.6.8 kernel source |
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| 01:45.11 | jair | abrotman, 4400??? |
| 01:45.12 | abrotman | jair: sorry |
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| 01:45.14 | abrotman | !4400 |
| 01:45.15 | Azar | say I reinstall debian how do I know I am not rooted again? |
| 01:45.19 | nomed^ | hi all |
| 01:45.20 | abrotman | jair: tv show |
| 01:45.24 | jair | abrotman, hahaha |
| 01:45.26 | jair | ok |
| 01:45.28 | Azar | at least to have an idea how fast I get rooted |
| 01:45.32 | Wyzard | Azar: There's a tool called "chkrootkit" which will find some known ones, but there's no way to be certain that there's nothing else still hidden |
| 01:45.37 | jair | abrotman, have you ever resix=ze your hd |
| 01:45.47 | Azar | I see |
| 01:45.50 | abrotman | jair: yeah .. i upgraded from 540MB to 2GB |
| 01:45.56 | yoshio_ | cddesjar: oh, I also have an acpid package installed , might be necessary for 2.4.27, don't know about 2.6.x |
| 01:46.01 | Wyzard | Azar: Setting up a firewall and keeping your box up-to-date with security patches will make a big difference. |
| 01:46.02 | jair | abrotman, I have a second HD on my server, it is partitioned as a ext3 linux (83) |
| 01:46.05 | cddesjar | acpid package? |
| 01:46.14 | Wyzard | Azar: How often do you do security updates? |
| 01:46.16 | yoshio_ | cddesjar: apt-cache show acpid |
| 01:46.22 | abrotman | jair: i've never done it .. i'll be no help |
| 01:46.36 | jair | abrotman, ok thank you though |
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| 01:46.44 | cddesjar | i didn't have it...so hopefully |
| 01:46.55 | jair | Wyzard, ok so i can use the qparted as well? |
| 01:46.57 | abrotman | jair: for future reference .. you might rather do LVM |
| 01:47.05 | nomed^ | i'm trying to start using hal dbus udev pmount ... but i'm confused .. i feel i should have some files in /etc/hal/device.d/ .. but it's empty .. |
| 01:47.06 | jair | abrotman, lvm? |
| 01:47.08 | yoshio_ | Azar: download a security live cd like INSERT http://www.inside-security.de/insert_en.html, then run chkrootkit |
| 01:47.20 | Wyzard | abrotman: LVM won't help if you're trying to shrink an actual partition |
| 01:47.39 | nomed^ | for ex. how can i let hal manage fstab? |
| 01:47.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm not really sure what he's ttrying to do i guess |
| 01:47.53 | Wyzard | abrotman: Makes things worse, actually, because you can't resize a PV partition like you can resize a plain filesystem |
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| 01:48.03 | Wyzard | abrotman: He's trying to shrink an ext3 partition to make room for a Windows partition |
| 01:48.06 | Azar | ok yoshio_ |
| 01:48.25 | Wyzard | Azar: You don't need to download security update CDs... just download security updates from the web |
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| 01:48.35 | Azar | yoshio_ would you happen to know why I see 992/tcp telnets in my nmap when I already removed telnet? |
| 01:48.47 | Wyzard | Azar: And when you reinstall this box, install sarge, which is already pretty up-to-date with respect to security |
| 01:48.47 | jair | Wyzard, so yes that is what I need to do shrink the 250GB etx3 partition to smaller so I can use at least 8GB to install windows for my wife |
| 01:48.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: erm .. ok |
| 01:49.05 | Azar | Wyzard I do not have the Sarge CD only Woody |
| 01:49.13 | Wyzard | Azar: Then download it |
| 01:49.15 | Xenguy | Hello - it seems my /etc/apt/sources.list is not working as it was before Sarge's release -- has something changed, and if yes, where can I find out how to correct my sources.list |
| 01:49.20 | Xenguy | ? |
| 01:49.21 | digijohn | Nobody has any idea as to what is happening with my computer? |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | apt-setup ? |
| 01:49.26 | Azar | Wyzard I do not know how to burn |
| 01:49.46 | jair | Wyzard, I will have to make the partition smaller and leave the 8GB unpartitioned? can I do that using parted? |
| 01:49.47 | Wyzard | Azar: Use cdrecord or cdrdao, or one of the graphical frontends |
| 01:49.47 | nomed^ | does dpkg know anything about hal and pmount? |
| 01:50.03 | yoshio_ | digijohn: do you have "novj" in /etc/ppp/peers/your-provider-name ? |
| 01:50.07 | Wyzard | nomed^: AFAIK, hal doesn't need to modify your fstab |
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| 01:50.22 | Wyzard | nomed^: pmount reads fstab, but doesn't write it |
| 01:50.28 | digijohn | what does that do? |
| 01:50.37 | jcook | if 3.1 is now out ... does that mean testing/expr is now unfrozen? |
| 01:50.38 | nomed^ | Wyzard, fstab-sync ? |
| 01:50.43 | digijohn | I don't have it |
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| 01:50.49 | Xenguy | Has something changed with 'non-US' - anyone know? |
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| 01:50.54 | abrotman | !non-us |
| 01:50.54 | dpkg | from memory, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 01:51.04 | simonrvn | Xenguy: yes. crypto-in-main. no non-us |
| 01:51.15 | Xenguy | simonrvn: hrm |
| 01:51.20 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.38 | digijohn | yoshio_: I don't have "novj" in my config file. Do I need it? |
| 01:51.55 | Azar | Wyzard I have not burned a single CD in my life |
| 01:52.08 | Wyzard | Azar: Where'd you get your woody CD? |
| 01:52.13 | Xenguy | simonrvn: so basically just comment out the 'non-us' lines? |
| 01:52.14 | Azar | ordered it |
| 01:52.22 | simonrvn | remove them |
| 01:52.28 | Wyzard | Azar: Then order a sarge CD, if you're really not comfortable burning one. But it's not very hard to burn one. |
| 01:52.31 | Xenguy | simonrvn: thanks! |
| 01:52.39 | Azar | you thinks there is something wrong with installing Woody and upgrading? |
| 01:52.39 | yoshio_ | digijohn: not sure, I seem to recall a similar problem to yours, I had to google for it |
| 01:52.45 | Wyzard | Azar: I've burned about 20 CDs today, actually -- cleaning out a bunch of anime off my hard drive :-) |
| 01:53.07 | digijohn | where should I put it? |
| 01:53.14 | cddesjar | yoshio: it worked |
| 01:53.18 | cddesjar | thanks!!! |
| 01:53.19 | digijohn | At the end of the file? |
| 01:53.19 | Wyzard | Azar: There's nothing inherently wrong with installing woody and then upgrading, but it requires being connected to the Internet, during which time you're vulnerable |
| 01:53.36 | Xenguy | !crypto |
| 01:53.36 | dpkg | Cryptographic software is classified as munitions (military weapons) under US export laws. This has changed a bit recently, but it's still legally problematic to export cryptographic software from inside the US. That's why the non-US (cryptographic) section of Debian is hosted on machines that are NOT physically or politically inside the US. Ask me about "non-US" or "non-US mirrors". |
| 01:53.47 | gin_ | jair, my SB Live its pci card.. its not supported for that.. |
| 01:53.56 | yoshio_ | zenguy: in your /etc/apt/sources.list, change testing to "sarge" in deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib |
| 01:54.03 | gin_ | jair, and do not detect me the sound card.. |
| 01:54.12 | Wyzard | Azar: Rather than connecting this box directly to the Internet, you could get a NAT router, which acts as a firewall as a side effect |
| 01:54.38 | Wyzard | Azar: They're common appliances that you can find at any computer store... they also let you connect multiple computers to your broadband |
| 01:54.42 | digijohn | yoshio_: Did your google source say where to put the "novj" line? |
| 01:54.45 | jair | gin_, I gess you have to install alsa my friend |
| 01:54.56 | jair | do this apt-cache search alsa |
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| 01:55.08 | ndazza | Wyzard, but woody has a firewall? why not just use that? |
| 01:55.11 | jair | gin_, then you will be able to install any PCI or ISA card |
| 01:55.24 | Wyzard | ndazza: Good point, that'd work |
| 01:55.24 | liable | fucking samba is doing my head in. Any ideas for tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME |
| 01:55.31 | yoshio_ | digijohn: /etc/ppp/peers/your-provider-name |
| 01:55.40 | jair | gin_, you just have to install the alsa package to that and then run the command alsaconf |
| 01:55.42 | ndazza | Wyzard, might save $50 :) |
| 01:55.47 | gin_ | jair, i have installed |
| 01:55.54 | digijohn | yoshio_: I know, but does it matter what part of the file it goes in? |
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| 01:56.06 | gin_ | alsa-base is already the newest version. |
| 01:56.06 | gin_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:56.13 | Wyzard | Azar: As ndazza points out, if you don't have a sarge CD and are unwilling to burn one, you could install woody, *install a firewall* from your woody CDs, and *then* connect the box to the Internet to upgrade to sarge |
| 01:56.35 | Wyzard | Azar: Install and configure the firewall to not allow any connections from outside |
| 01:56.46 | yoshio_ | digijohn: put it anywhere |
| 01:56.49 | Azar | I am not able to reboot, it gets frozen at egrep (GNU grep) 2.5.1 |
| 01:57.11 | Azar | what firewall? |
| 01:57.12 | Wyzard | Azar: What does egrep have to do with rebooting? (Or do you mean reinstall?) |
| 01:57.19 | digijohn | yoshio_: Okay. This is kind strange, because the same equipment and the same configuration works just fine on my other computer |
| 01:57.24 | abrotman | and alsaconf ? |
| 01:57.29 | yoshio_ | digijohn: interesting, I have lcp-echo-failure 100 and lcp-echo-interval 300 in the file |
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| 01:57.44 | Master-Yoda | hello! |
| 01:57.45 | yoshio_ | digijohn: something about not using van jacobsen compression |
| 01:57.53 | JeffH | anyone here use amavis with postfix? I'm having a problem configuring postfix to see the amavis. |
| 01:58.05 | Azar | ok Wyzard I will bother to spend 2 days in reinstalling/upgrading/new kernel / X/ nvidia/alsa --- how do I know that scriptkiddies will not bruteforce scan me again? |
| 01:58.05 | Wyzard | Azar: Well, FireHOL isn't in woody... Shorewall would work, but can be confusing to configure if you're not already familiar with it. Maybe someone else can recommend a good simple firewall available in woody. |
| 01:58.17 | Azar | I mean ok I reinstall |
| 01:58.18 | Azar | what if |
| 01:58.20 | digijohn | Well, I guess I'll try it. I'll have to disconnect to do so, so thanks! |
| 01:58.20 | Master-Yoda | i love debian, but in my sources.list I have two lines i dont think are right can someone please look at these lines and see if they can correct them for me? thank you |
| 01:58.20 | Wyzard | Azar: Scanning you is harmless. |
| 01:58.20 | Master-Yoda | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian/ testing/non-US main |
| 01:58.20 | Master-Yoda | deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian/ testing/non-US main |
| 01:58.22 | Azar | I get rooted again? |
| 01:58.38 | ndazza | Azar, if you have X, firestarter is quite simple and powerful, so is guarddog |
| 01:58.40 | Wyzard | Azar: Use a firewall and keep up-to-date with security, and they won't be able to get in |
| 01:58.44 | Azar | I got rooted yesterday, how can I tell it wont happen second day after I reinstall? |
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| 01:59.06 | Azar | ok |
| 01:59.08 | Azar | sigh |
| 01:59.08 | Wyzard | Azar: Because you install the patches for whatever vulnerabilities the kiddies used to get in |
| 01:59.29 | bucky | Master-Yoda, no more non-us read /topic |
| 01:59.30 | Azar | this install I just did 6 days ago |
| 01:59.36 | Master-Yoda | im sorry |
| 01:59.38 | Master-Yoda | thank you |
| 01:59.40 | Azar | it should have been perfect, I mean it was perfect |
| 01:59.41 | ndazza | Azar, choose strong passwords, turn off unnecessary services |
| 01:59.47 | Wyzard | Azar: After you installed it, did you do a security updat? |
| 01:59.47 | gin_ | jair, are ya there ? |
| 01:59.48 | Azar | ndazza allways |
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| 01:59.58 | jair | gin_, yes |
| 01:59.58 | ndazza | Azar, no system is perfect... anything can be defeated with time |
| 02:00.13 | jair | gin_, yes what is your status? |
| 02:00.33 | jair | Wyzard, I already install the parted but it is a command right? |
| 02:00.35 | gin_ | what u mean with: my status ? |
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| 02:00.45 | Wyzard | jair: yes |
| 02:00.45 | Azar | ndazza the sad thing is, I have no clue what processes are doing, why, when and if someone breaks in, I am blind |
| 02:00.48 | jair | Wyzard, to run it I use the terminal right |
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| 02:01.06 | Wyzard | Azar: As I suggested earlier, you can set up a snort box to monitor your network traffic for attack signatures |
| 02:01.10 | Wyzard | jair: correct |
| 02:01.13 | Azar | any box put on the net is vulnerable to attacks and if I cannot see hey, I cannot see |
| 02:01.13 | gin_ | jair, what u mean with: my status ? |
| 02:01.21 | Azar | ok |
| 02:01.27 | yoshio_ | Azar: http://www.newnet66.org/antivirus/TrojanPorts.htm says port 992 is Snape |
| 02:01.29 | Guerin | Azar: how did you get rooted? |
| 02:01.39 | ndazza | Azar, tools like tripwire help you monitor critical system files, examining log files will tell you about your system |
| 02:01.41 | jair | gin_, if you installed the alsa and resolve the SB installation |
| 02:01.49 | Azar | Guerin I wish I knew |
| 02:01.50 | SDFH_Linux | yoshio it did not work |
| 02:01.57 | gin_ | jair, i have installed alsa.. |
| 02:02.01 | Azar | everything happened out of my sight as I cannot monitor |
| 02:02.02 | jair | Wyzard, ok so the command to choose the hdb1 will be # parted hdb1 |
| 02:02.08 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: I also have the package acpid installed |
| 02:02.09 | ndazza | Azar, turning off all unnecessary services (for a desktop, you shouldn't really need any) will make you far more secure |
| 02:02.17 | jair | gin_, the run the command # alsaconf |
| 02:02.24 | Azar | yoshio_ port 992 open showed up just one hour ago |
| 02:02.25 | Wyzard | jair: Read the docs; I've only used parted once and it was over a year ago |
| 02:02.27 | SDFH_Linux | should i uninstall acpid |
| 02:02.28 | Guerin | Azar: but you must have SOME idea... you read logs, right? |
| 02:02.30 | Azar | in one hour brought my system down |
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| 02:02.39 | Azar | Guerin what logs, where? |
| 02:02.54 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: and I also have an asus_acpi kernel module installed (I have an Asus notebook) |
| 02:03.00 | ndazza | Azar, 992 is telnet over SSL |
| 02:03.03 | SDFH_Linux | i dont have a notebook |
| 02:03.16 | ndazza | Azar, logs are kept in /var/log |
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| 02:03.42 | Azar | ndazza it seems I have removed telnet too late |
| 02:03.49 | jair | Wyzard, ok I have this now: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0DFirf97.html |
| 02:03.50 | lal | Hi, I just installed Win XP, and my MBR got overwritten, so I got a grub floppy and loaded my old grub.conf, but when I try to boot Linux, it says that the boot partition has a filesystem type unknown.. can I fix this?? |
| 02:03.52 | toresbe | is the Sid gnome-terminal screwed? |
| 02:03.55 | Guerin | Azar: auth.log for a start. All services should keep a log, go through them for any oddness. |
| 02:04.03 | ndazza | Azar, do you use telnet to connect to the box from outside? |
| 02:04.12 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: cd /lib/modules ; find . -name \*acpi\* |
| 02:04.17 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 02:04.19 | Guerin | toresbe: gnome in sid is pretty munted |
| 02:04.23 | gin_ | jair, wait dude, im installing vcl plugin alsa |
| 02:04.26 | toresbe | Guerin: Yeah, I know |
| 02:04.27 | Wyzard | toresbe: Wouldn't surprise me. It's working for me, but I did "upgrade" rather than "dist-upgrade" because the latter would have uninstalled some stuff due to conflicts. |
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| 02:04.45 | Wyzard | jair: Read the docs, don't ask me |
| 02:04.51 | jair | ok |
| 02:05.05 | jair | gin_, it is ok that is a sound and video player |
| 02:05.08 | Wyzard | jair: I know what parted is for and that it's the right tool for you, but I have essentially no experience with it |
| 02:05.19 | jair | nice |
| 02:05.21 | jair | ok |
| 02:05.30 | toresbe | :ifi $1 is <reply>http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/$1 |
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| 02:05.34 | toresbe | urgh |
| 02:05.36 | toresbe | !ifi $1 is <reply>http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/$1 |
| 02:05.36 | dpkg | okay, toresbe |
| 02:05.44 | Wyzard | jair: (I use e2resize manually... not as simple, but I like the extra control) |
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| 02:06.08 | toresbe | !ifi gnomebork.png |
| 02:06.09 | dpkg | http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/gnomebork.png |
| 02:06.16 | SDFH_Linux | ok did it yoshio what am i looking for |
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| 02:06.43 | SDFH_Linux | looks like i have on my smp kernel |
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| 02:06.51 | yoshio_ | I was wondering if you needed a kernel module specific to your system |
| 02:06.52 | Guerin | toresbe: bork bork bork! |
| 02:07.01 | SDFH_Linux | nope |
| 02:07.08 | paul_ | hello |
| 02:07.19 | SDFH_Linux | but i do have the asus,ibm,and two hotplugs and acpi on here |
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| 02:07.22 | Wyzard | toresbe: Since you're in GNOME, consider using xchat |
| 02:07.26 | yoshio_ | cat /proc/cmdline shows acpi=on ? |
| 02:07.31 | saratogacx | Does anyone know where I can get a deb package or an apt-get server to get java? |
| 02:07.38 | Wyzard | saratogacx: apt-cache show java-package |
| 02:07.50 | Guerin | since you're in gnome, consider using rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 02:07.57 | Wyzard | saratogacx: That package contains a tool called "make-jpkg" which will build a .deb from a Sun Java .bin release |
| 02:07.58 | yoshio_ | saratogacx: blackdown.org |
| 02:08.02 | saratogacx | no pakages found |
| 02:08.02 | SDFH_Linux | it says no such file or directory |
| 02:08.11 | Guerin | yoshio_: err, blackdown java is horribly broken |
| 02:08.16 | Wyzard | saratogacx: It's in contrib, sorry... so you need to add that to your sources.list |
| 02:08.18 | toresbe | Wyzard: no can do, SSH |
| 02:08.22 | saratogacx | ah okay |
| 02:08.23 | yoshio_ | Guerin: really??? |
| 02:08.26 | Wyzard | toresbe: ah, ok |
| 02:08.27 | Guerin | yoshio_: yes. |
| 02:08.30 | toresbe | oh well, I deserve this, GNOME on sid etc |
| 02:08.34 | toresbe | night friends :) |
| 02:08.46 | abrotman | stop complaining .. you're using sid |
| 02:08.49 | Wyzard | toresbe: Well, if the box you're SSH'ing to has xchat, you can use ssh -X |
| 02:08.57 | saratogacx | Thanks :) |
| 02:09.00 | toresbe | Wyzard: ...no. |
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| 02:09.16 | SDFH_Linux | so i dont know what else to do yoshio |
| 02:09.21 | SDFH_Linux | it wont shutdown |
| 02:09.27 | k\o\w | I'm trying to install sarge on a powerbook g3, the documentation tells me to boot using bootx from os9 and then links to a linux.bin which is from the woody release. I've booted from that fine however the installer says it can't find debian on the netinst CD and I think it's because I'm booting using the woody kernel and not the sarge kernel. does anyone know if booting using the woody kernel will work or am I doing this wrong? |
| 02:09.32 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: does cat /proc/cmdline show acpi=on? |
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| 02:09.49 | gin_ | jair, no legacy driver are aviable |
| 02:09.50 | dondelelcaro | k\o\w: that's for an old world machine, not for a newworld powerbook. |
| 02:09.58 | dondelelcaro | k\o\w: boot off of the cdrom to install sarge on a powerbook g3. |
| 02:10.06 | k\o\w | it's an oldworld powerbookg3 |
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| 02:10.08 | SDFH_Linux | it shows nothing but root:/dev/hda2 ro |
| 02:10.10 | mwilson | Yeah, why wouldn't you just boot from a PPC netinst? |
| 02:10.15 | gin_ | jair, i have two sound cards .. thats can be conflict's with alsa ? |
| 02:10.19 | mwilson | There are no such things as oldworld PB G3's |
| 02:10.27 | SDFH_Linux | i tried to use acpi=on and it wouldnt shutdown |
| 02:10.31 | SDFH_Linux | then i tried acpi=off |
| 02:10.32 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 02:10.32 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 02:10.39 | k\o\w | yes there are :X |
| 02:10.43 | dondelelcaro | k\o\w: uh, there are no old world g3s |
| 02:10.43 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: then maybe you changed the wrong line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:10.54 | SDFH_Linux | where do i put it then? |
| 02:10.57 | mwilson | Except that there aren't, of course. |
| 02:10.58 | gvandora | How do I install a package file that i downloaded apart from the debian servers |
| 02:11.14 | Wyzard | gvandora: dpkg -i |
| 02:11.44 | SDFH_Linux | the only difference i noticed yoshio was when i put it acpi=off |
| 02:11.49 | SDFH_Linux | that after the power down |
| 02:11.55 | SDFH_Linux | there was no acpi_off called |
| 02:11.58 | SDFH_Linux | line |
| 02:12.01 | mwilson | There were four PB G3's. None of them are oldworld, all of them have OpenFirmware. |
| 02:12.03 | SDFH_Linux | but it will still not shutdown |
| 02:12.12 | bucky | gvandora, dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 02:12.18 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Maybe ACPI doesn't work on your system |
| 02:12.23 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: i have kernel 2.4.27, 2.6.8, 2.6.10, plus a recovery mode thing for each, so I have 6 different kernel lines. change the kernel line for the one your are using to add "acpi=on" to the end |
| 02:12.25 | gin_ | bucky, he is off dude. |
| 02:12.29 | k\o\w | PowerBook G3 Wallstreet (1998) OldWorld |
| 02:12.36 | SDFH_Linux | tried that yoshio |
| 02:12.39 | SDFH_Linux | and it didnt work |
| 02:12.41 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: It's known to be broken on some older laptops |
| 02:12.45 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: I am assuming you are uisng a default debian kernel, not yo9ur own |
| 02:12.45 | shingouz | i was about to mention the wallstreet |
| 02:12.54 | [bathat] | does anyone know the command to display all groups? |
| 02:12.56 | SDFH_Linux | its not a laptop |
| 02:12.58 | [bathat] | i forgot it |
| 02:13.06 | bucky | gin_, are they both the same kind of sound card? |
| 02:13.06 | SDFH_Linux | and its a 2.6.11.1-smp |
| 02:13.09 | SDFH_Linux | kernel |
| 02:13.17 | SDFH_Linux | i have a msi intel p4 motherboard |
| 02:13.17 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Some older systems, I should say... sorry, I thought you had a laptop |
| 02:13.27 | gin_ | bucky, no .. one is VIA and another one is SB Live |
| 02:13.34 | k\o\w | so is there a sarge kernel I can use with bootx or am I supposed to be using the woody one? |
| 02:13.41 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: you don't have acpi turned off in the bios, correct? |
| 02:13.52 | SDFH_Linux | nope its on |
| 02:14.06 | jair | anyone here know how to use parted? |
| 02:14.10 | shingouz | k\o\w: do you have the mac o/s for the wallstreet? |
| 02:14.12 | SDFH_Linux | could it be because its an old hard drive |
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| 02:14.15 | SDFH_Linux | a 8.4gb? |
| 02:14.15 | yoshio_ | [bathat]: see /etc/group ? |
| 02:14.19 | SDFH_Linux | or does that matter? |
| 02:14.21 | Mak | hello |
| 02:14.26 | k\o\w | yes I am using os 9.2 at the moment. |
| 02:14.28 | jair | I could not understand so i am afraid to mess my hd |
| 02:14.29 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: no, that doesn't matter |
| 02:14.30 | Mak | anyone know where I can get a open office package? |
| 02:14.30 | [bathat] | yoshio_: thanks |
| 02:14.32 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: hd doesn't matter |
| 02:14.38 | gin_ | bucky, check this: |
| 02:14.41 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 02:14.41 | gin_ | gin:/home/gin# lspci | grep audio |
| 02:14.42 | gin_ | 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05) |
| 02:14.42 | gin_ | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 02:14.49 | SDFH_Linux | well no matter what i do it doesnt shutdown |
| 02:14.55 | Master-Yoda | hello |
| 02:15.01 | Master-Yoda | does anyone know how to fix this? Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/vhcs2/gui/include/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 234 |
| 02:15.09 | shingouz | k\o\w: i think i need to get something to get my wallstreet running on so taht i can install debian on it. no hurry yet but eventually |
| 02:15.13 | [bathat] | yoshio_: yeah, that works fine, but i know there's a command to do it too |
| 02:15.17 | SDFH_Linux | could it be because its a smp kernel |
| 02:15.21 | mwilson | Master-Yoda: You mean other than providing whatever library it's trying to use? |
| 02:15.26 | Azar | if I reinstall from a Woody CD, and during the installation I assume it will use "stable" by default how can I avoid downloading Sarge packages? |
| 02:15.30 | Wyzard | Master-Yoda: Install php4-mysql |
| 02:15.30 | SDFH_Linux | isnt that the kernel i am suppose to use if i have a p4 ht? |
| 02:15.41 | Master-Yoda | it is installed Wyzard |
| 02:15.43 | shingouz | k\o\w: i may need some help with it in a couple of weeks ;) |
| 02:15.45 | Master-Yoda | i also reinstalled it |
| 02:16.01 | Wyzard | Master-Yoda: Check phpinfo() to make sure it's recognized by PHP |
| 02:16.05 | [bathat] | is the transition from testing to stable fairly easy |
| 02:16.11 | [bathat] | i've heard there are still a few bugs |
| 02:16.16 | [bathat] | with aptitude, etc |
| 02:16.25 | mwilson | Aptitude is one big bug. |
| 02:16.30 | [bathat] | i've read the update procedure page but hven't done it yet |
| 02:16.33 | yoshio_ | [bathat]: /usr/bin/groups |
| 02:16.34 | bucky | that's funny |
| 02:16.36 | [bathat] | mwilson: yeh? |
| 02:16.46 | shingouz | mwilson: you sure do not like aptitude :) |
| 02:16.52 | gin_ | hmm.. somebody can help me with my trouble ? |
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| 02:16.58 | mwilson | But exactly what "transition" are you referring to? If you're already running testing, then you're running Sarge, which is now stable. |
| 02:17.08 | SDFH_Linux | so yoshio any other ideas? |
| 02:17.16 | yoshio_ | mwilson: testing is etch |
| 02:17.18 | mwilson | shingouz: I don't like aptitude's maintainer. |
| 02:17.20 | [bathat] | #>groups = *username* dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 02:17.25 | mwilson | yoshio_: It is *now*. |
| 02:17.28 | bucky | aptitude is a misnomer.. if you had any aptitude you could just use apt-get |
| 02:17.31 | [bathat] | yoshio_: now testing is etch |
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| 02:17.37 | [bathat] | i'm talking about sarge |
| 02:17.41 | mwilson | yoshio_: It wasn't a week ago, as you fully know. |
| 02:17.42 | [bathat] | stable is now sarge |
| 02:17.44 | [bathat] | yeh |
| 02:17.47 | shingouz | mwilson: oh |
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| 02:17.59 | gin_ | Wyzard, are u there ? |
| 02:18.03 | Wyzard | gin_: yes |
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| 02:18.11 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: I also have MODULES="battery ac processor button fan thermal asus_acpi" in /etc/default/acpi, but that is asus specific I think |
| 02:18.14 | gin_ | Wyzard, can u help me ? |
| 02:18.27 | Wyzard | gin_: What are you trying to do, get sound working? |
| 02:18.31 | [bathat] | oh, i could just use cat /etc/groups |
| 02:18.33 | gin_ | yeah |
| 02:18.36 | saratogacx | wooo!! it worked I've got the java running perfectly! |
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| 02:18.36 | [bathat] | i could make an alias |
| 02:18.38 | SDFH_Linux | this computer has never shutdown with debian |
| 02:18.40 | gin_ | thats same .. |
| 02:18.43 | [bathat] | yoshio_: thanks |
| 02:18.49 | SDFH_Linux | for some reason |
| 02:18.52 | Azar | how can I avoid having the installation download "stable" instead of "woody"? |
| 02:18.53 | mwilson | shingouz: I have a short list of maintainers not to trust. He is on it... few others. |
| 02:18.58 | gin_ | Wyzard, yes but.. alsa don't get found the SB Live card. |
| 02:18.59 | Wyzard | gin_: From your lspci output earlier, it looks like you have two soundcards: a VIA one that's probably built into your motherboard, and an SB Live!, which is the one I'm guessing you want to use. |
| 02:19.04 | mwilson | Azar: Why would it? |
| 02:19.15 | Wyzard | gin_: The ALSA driver for a Live! or Audigy is "snd-emu10k1" |
| 02:19.26 | mwilson | Azar: You'd have to deliberately break it in order for it to download Woody. |
| 02:19.29 | dom | . |
| 02:19.36 | JeffH | can someone help me? I've installed amavis and started it. I can successfully connect by doing 'telnet localhost 10024'. I've added 'content_filter = smtp-amavis:127.0.0.1:10024' to my postfix main.cf file then restart postfix. I look in the /var/log/mail.log file and see the following.. 'Jun 12 20:13:30 localhost postfix/qmgr[5734]: warning: connect to transport smtp-amavis: No such file or directory' What am I missing? |
| 02:19.41 | Azar | mwilson during the installation I configure apt but it does not give me a choice of specifying "woody" it auto "stable" |
| 02:19.48 | gin_ | Wyzard, yeah that its chec this: |
| 02:19.49 | k\o\w | so does anyone know how to boot a sarge kernel using an oldworld powerbook g3? the documentation only lists a link to a woody kernel which doesn't want to install debian from my sarge netinst CD. |
| 02:19.50 | dom | sorry, accident hitted the keyboard :p |
| 02:19.58 | gin_ | gin:/home/gin# lspci | grep audio |
| 02:19.58 | gin_ | 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05) |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | JeffH: you might also wish to ask #postfix |
| 02:20.02 | shingouz | mwilson: untrusted maintainers are not a good thing |
| 02:20.08 | bob2 | Azar: you can't install woody with d-i, afaik |
| 02:20.09 | mwilson | Azar: Yes, that is correct. If it let you select Woody, it would be broken. |
| 02:20.13 | bob2 | Azar: why do you want woody? |
| 02:20.16 | Wyzard | gin_: So load snd-emu10k1 |
| 02:20.22 | shingouz | k\o\w: guessing here, try with a sarge kernel |
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| 02:20.26 | Azar | bob2 I have the woody cd |
| 02:20.45 | JeffH | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 02:20.53 | mwilson | shingouz: Ain't it, though. |
| 02:20.58 | shingouz | yup |
| 02:21.03 | bob2 | JeffH: which howto are you following? |
| 02:21.04 | Wyzard | hehe... if the woody netinst downloads "stable" rather than "woody", I think that's a bug :-) |
| 02:21.17 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why would you say that? |
| 02:21.26 | gin_ | Wyzard, how can i do that ?,, ... need i install it ? |
| 02:21.34 | mwilson | Wyzard: Not to mention you don't know where he got whatever disk image he's using. |
| 02:21.36 | Azar | originally the woody cd is downloading stable packages |
| 02:21.36 | JeffH | bob2: none really.. just following the documentation that came with the packages. |
| 02:21.39 | SDFH_Linux | debian shuts down on all my other computers laptops too |
| 02:21.42 | u2rock | i have a problem with the fonts, sometimes appears faces in some pages of the web. |
| 02:21.48 | Wyzard | mwilson: Because boot-floppies probably isn't capable of properly installing sarge |
| 02:21.54 | [bathat] | who has upgraded from testing to stable? |
| 02:21.57 | gin_ | Wyzard, i found this: |
| 02:21.58 | Wyzard | mwilson: Yes I do... it's a pressed copy of woody r5, bought from a vendor |
| 02:21.59 | gin_ | gin:/home/gin# apt-cache search emu10k1 |
| 02:21.59 | gin_ | awesfx - utility programs for AWE32/64 and Emu10k1 driver |
| 02:22.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: worked fine for me |
| 02:22.02 | Azar | mwilson I have ordered the CD from an official site last year |
| 02:22.03 | bob2 | SDFH_Linux: if it's old, load the apm module |
| 02:22.09 | bob2 | SDFH_Linux: if it's new, load the ac one |
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| 02:22.14 | JeffH | bathat: I just did a fresh install of stable. |
| 02:22.17 | dom | hmm....but i tried install old sarge CD, its sources.list also showing "testing", so it will download etch after sarge launch, is this a bug? |
| 02:22.23 | bucky | gin_, that's oss not alsa |
| 02:22.24 | [bathat] | JeffH: oh |
| 02:22.25 | Wyzard | mwilson: His box has been rooted and he needs to reinstall, but he has no sarge disc and is unwilling to burn one because he's never burned a CD before, so he wants to use his woody disc |
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| 02:22.33 | Azar | I guess my only way is to install all 7 cds rather than downloading |
| 02:22.36 | [bathat] | JeffH: well, i don't really want to do that |
| 02:22.37 | k\o\w5 | shingouz: do you know where I can find one? I can't find linux.bin on the sarge netinst CD. Sorry, I'm new to linux here :) |
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| 02:22.57 | gin_ | bucky, what u mean with.. that's oss not alsa ? |
| 02:22.59 | Wyzard | Azar: You only need the first CD for the base system anyway |
| 02:23.06 | bucky | gin_, for alsa you need to apt-get the drivers seperatly if you're using the 2.4 kernel |
| 02:23.21 | Azar | Wyzard yes, but if I start apt in install will download "stable" |
| 02:23.28 | gin_ | bucky im using, 2.2.x |
| 02:23.29 | Azar | which stable now is Sarge |
| 02:23.36 | shingouz | k\o\w: i have never tried debian on a ppc yet, doesn't the installer have a place where it installs the kernel? |
| 02:23.37 | [bathat] | stable |
| 02:23.49 | gin_ | Wyzard, have u read ? |
| 02:23.54 | Wyzard | Azar: abrotman just said that'll work, but remember, I'm advising keeping your box disconnected from the network while you install |
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| 02:24.05 | bucky | gin_, is there a reason you're using woody? |
| 02:24.11 | gin_ | yeah |
| 02:24.14 | gin_ | im using |
| 02:24.16 | gireesh | got a problem with a new install of Sarge |
| 02:24.16 | Wyzard | Azar: Install the base system from CD (only need disc 1 for that), then install a firewall package, also from CD |
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| 02:24.30 | gireesh | X wont start. Get an error that says no framebuffer device found |
| 02:24.32 | Wyzard | Azar: Configure the firewall to refuse all connections from outside, *then* plug in the network |
| 02:24.52 | Azar | how can I look for a firewall on the CD? |
| 02:24.55 | k\o\w5 | I can't get into the installer on the netinst CD because I'm booting using the woody kernel which can't seem to find the installer on the sarge CD. the documentation for sarge links to a woody kernel to use with bootx and I was wondering if there is a sarge kernel I can boot with. |
| 02:24.56 | Azar | it has a name? |
| 02:25.03 | Wyzard | gin_: Have you tried loading the "snd-emu10k1" module? |
| 02:25.07 | gin_ | bucky must i apgrade to sarge firts ? |
| 02:25.10 | Xenguy | abrotman: thanks for your suggestions too :-) |
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| 02:25.23 | shizz | how hard is it to design your own desktop environment? |
| 02:25.27 | bucky | gin_, no.. retro computing is fun |
| 02:25.27 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132761 says use acpi=ht |
| 02:25.28 | gin_ | Wyzard, im dont know where is snd-emu10k1 module |
| 02:25.33 | Wyzard | Azar: "apt-cache search firewall" might help... I'd recommend a specific one, but I don't know of a simple easy-to-configure one that's in woody |
| 02:25.39 | gireesh | anyone know the solution to my problem? |
| 02:25.43 | gin_ | Wyzard, must i put it on, /etc/modules ? |
| 02:25.45 | gireesh | X wont start. Get an error that says no framebuffer device found. Sarge fresh install |
| 02:25.51 | gin_ | on/in* |
| 02:25.54 | Wyzard | gin_: If you're using a 2.4 kernel, you probably have to install an alsa-modules package |
| 02:25.58 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: i was googling for "msi p4 ht smp acpid acpi power" |
| 02:26.08 | gin_ | Wyzard, im using 2.2.x |
| 02:26.09 | bucky | Wyzard, gin_ is running the 2.2 install kernel from woody |
| 02:26.11 | Xenguy | Azar: try -> apt-cache search shorewall |
| 02:26.19 | Wyzard | gin_: Oh... upgrade your kernel |
| 02:26.29 | gin_ | right |
| 02:26.33 | Azar | ok |
| 02:26.38 | [bathat] | i was reading the upgrade instructions before but can't find them now considering that was quite awhile ago |
| 02:26.40 | shingouz | k\o\w: ah.. i do not know yet, i need to snarf some manuals on that topic. i need to do that in anycase as i have a wallstreet here that i want to make run debian too. can we look into the issue tomorrow as i would have to hit the bed about now? |
| 02:26.45 | [bathat] | can someone point me in the direction? |
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| 02:27.08 | mwilson | www.debian.org, oddly enough. |
| 02:27.17 | k\o\w5 | yeah sure. let me know :) |
| 02:27.25 | [bathat] | mwilson: was that a response to my question? |
| 02:27.25 | gireesh | my problem: X wont start. Get an error that says no framebuffer device found. Sarge fresh install. Any advice guys? |
| 02:27.38 | shingouz | k\o\w: i will be here from about 1800 GMT onwards |
| 02:27.41 | mwilson | gireesh: Sure. Read the whole log. |
| 02:27.42 | Wyzard | Can someone recommend for Azar a small easy-to-configure firewall that's available in woody? All that's needed is to block all incoming connections, but preferably no GUI config tools, etc. |
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| 02:27.49 | gireesh | mwilson: I read it |
| 02:27.54 | mwilson | gireesh: You didn't. |
| 02:28.01 | gireesh | mwilson: yes I did. |
| 02:28.08 | sjhill | sorry, not on the mailing lists, what happened to 'non-us.debian.org'? |
| 02:28.08 | k\o\w5 | sounds good, msg me when you're around. |
| 02:28.14 | gireesh | mwilson: I read dmesg and var/org/xfree86.log |
| 02:28.29 | Xenguy | Wyzard: I already recommended 'shorewall' (but don't know if it is in woody for sure) |
| 02:28.30 | gullyfoyle | gireesh, try dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and disable kernel framebuffer |
| 02:28.31 | mwilson | gireesh: Not even slightly worth arguing about. When you actually read it, you will see your actual problem. |
| 02:28.36 | shingouz | k\o\w: i'll make some noise on the channel at least :) |
| 02:28.47 | JeffH | anyone know how to tell postfix to connect to amavis via a net connection rather than a unix socket? |
| 02:28.49 | Wyzard | gireesh: mwilson thinks that if you'd read the whole log, the problem would be obvious to you. Not everyone is as 31337 as mwilson, so that may not actually be true. |
| 02:28.50 | gireesh | gullyfoyle: I had disabled the framebuffer during install |
| 02:28.50 | shingouz | now, sleepmode for me |
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| 02:28.53 | Nurbs | Wyzard: iptables -I INPUT -i yourEthernetInterface -m state --state NEW -j DROP |
| 02:29.12 | Wyzard | Xenguy: It's in woody, but it's not straightforward to configure |
| 02:29.17 | Wyzard | Xenguy: Not unless you're already accustomed to it, at least |
| 02:29.36 | gireesh | I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and tried to enable framebuffer but no go |
| 02:29.45 | Wyzard | Nurbs: hehe, that'd work too |
| 02:29.51 | Xenguy | Wyzard: I found it quite good, with good documentation. YMMV of course. It is my only suggestion in any case |
| 02:29.53 | gpm | DISable |
| 02:29.55 | SDFH_Linux | what did you find yoshio? |
| 02:29.56 | gpm | read |
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| 02:30.08 | yoshio_ | Master-Yoda: someone else had the same problem, see /etc/apache/php.ini, dynamic extensions |
| 02:30.16 | mwilson | Wyzard: Did I *ever* claim to be 'leet? No... although I *have* claimed to be able to read. |
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| 02:30.36 | simonrvn | um, /etc/php4/apache.php.ini |
| 02:30.41 | simonrvn | er |
| 02:30.42 | Wyzard | Xenguy: I know; I've used it. But Azar is just trying to get temporary protection from outside attacks while upgrading from woody to sarge so he can install a better firewall such as FireHOL. |
| 02:30.46 | simonrvn | /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
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| 02:31.03 | mwilson | Ew, I wouldn't call firehol "better". Steep learning curve there. |
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| 02:31.13 | Wyzard | mwilson: XFree86 log messages don't always make it obvious what the cause of the problem is |
| 02:31.23 | FieldySnuts | yes they do. |
| 02:31.27 | Wyzard | mwilson: Not really... firehol is pretty easy to learn. |
| 02:31.29 | mwilson | Wyzard: Especially if you don't look at them. |
| 02:31.56 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: try acpi=ht instead of acpi=on |
| 02:31.58 | Xenguy | Wyzard: I take it FireHOL isn't in Woody <shrug> |
| 02:32.02 | Wyzard | mwilson: Yes, especially if you don't look at them, but even if you do. Don't assume that seeing the text on the screen always confers understanding of its meaning. |
| 02:32.08 | Wyzard | Xenguy: It isn't, unfortunately. |
| 02:32.21 | Xenguy | Wyzard: no backports at all? |
| 02:32.30 | simonrvn | log reading is a learned skill |
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| 02:32.45 | Wyzard | Xenguy: Probably, but we're trying to do this entirely from the woody CD set he already has |
| 02:32.48 | mwilson | firehol is just bash script, it probably isn't that hard to backport. |
| 02:32.58 | Wyzard | Xenguy: No Internet connection until *after* the firewall is configured |
| 02:32.59 | gpm | (EE) always has the problem after it...even if you can't decipher it. if you can't figure that out.... |
| 02:33.18 | JeffH | argg I'm not fricking finding the answer. |
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| 02:33.44 | mwilson | But firehol is so brittle... ugh. 99.9% of people need the 3-4 lines of iptables you get out of the howto. Why Debian doesn't include that by default, I'll never understand. |
| 02:34.03 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: try a non-smp kernel, see if it works. |
| 02:34.30 | Wyzard | mwilson: Manually writing good iptables rules takes skill that not everyone has. |
| 02:34.36 | hejux_ | to update to sarge is "deb http://debian.cn99.com/debian testing-proposed-updates main contrib non-free" necessary? |
| 02:34.40 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: the same web page says acpi=ht is a bad idea, no clue if that is true |
| 02:34.47 | mwilson | Wyzard: Did I mention manually writing rules? |
| 02:34.50 | Xenguy | Wyzard: If he shuts down all services, might it be sufficient to simply configure /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny ? |
| 02:34.51 | hejux_ | ? |
| 02:34.51 | FieldySnuts | !prise Wyzard |
| 02:34.58 | Nurbs_ | Wyzard: which doesn't mean that decent defaults couldn't be included |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | hejux_: no .. |
| 02:35.11 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why do you always assume I'm saying more than I'm actually saying? |
| 02:35.12 | SDFH_Linux | arent i suppose to run a smp kernel on a p4 ht though? |
| 02:35.19 | hejux_ | Wyzard: hi look up my question |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | hejux_: and update from what ? |
| 02:35.23 | yoshio_ | hejux_: no that is for just before stable is released, for last minute changes |
| 02:35.26 | FieldySnuts | smp != ht |
| 02:35.29 | dondelelcaro | Nurbs_: yeah, the issue is really figuring out what these decent defaults are, and only applying them when they make sense. |
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| 02:35.35 | Wyzard | mwilson: Because you always assume people know more than they actually know :-) |
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| 02:35.44 | [bathat] | where can i find instructions on upgrading from "now etch" to sarge? |
| 02:35.50 | lexxan | I did apt-getinstall alsa-base and sound still doesn't work.. Is there a config I can run?? |
| 02:35.57 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, actually I always assume people are clueless, until proven otherwise. |
| 02:35.58 | dondelelcaro | [bathat]: that's actually a downgrade, and not really supported. |
| 02:36.10 | [bathat] | oh..? |
| 02:36.10 | hejux_ | abrotman:i installed debian with sarge 2.6.8 |
| 02:36.14 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: amen. |
| 02:36.14 | dondelelcaro | lexxan: have you followed the instructions in /msg dpkg audio; yet? |
| 02:36.17 | mwilson | Wyzard: You're right much less often if you assume what you said. |
| 02:36.20 | Wyzard | mwilson: Having some simple defaults wouldn't hurt, but then people would be confused when they go to install a separate firewall package and they conflict... and if they try to write more iptables rules by hand without understanding TCP/IP, that's even worse. |
| 02:36.20 | abrotman | hejux_: so .. what's worng with that ? |
| 02:36.23 | lexxan | i will now |
| 02:36.25 | [bathat] | FieldySnuts: i was going to do that but it didn't really work |
| 02:36.26 | Nurbs_ | dondelelcaro: possibly. didn't think too much about it but dropping or rejecting every NEW packet except on lo doesn't sound too bad to me |
| 02:36.30 | bucky | lexxan, alsaconf |
| 02:36.36 | [bathat] | dondelelcaro: it is a downgrade, eh? |
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| 02:36.43 | lexxan | bucky, thanks.. |
| 02:36.47 | dondelelcaro | [bathat]: yes. etch is currently testing. sarge is stable. |
| 02:36.51 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: i've never run smp, don't have that hardware. non-smp should ignore the extra processor I would think |
| 02:36.52 | mwilson | Wyzard: <shrug> They shouldn't be writing rules if they don't understand TCP/IP, so what's the problem? |
| 02:36.54 | lexxan | bucky, It's nice when people don't just point you to crap like that dpkg thing :P |
| 02:36.57 | [bathat] | dondelelcaro: yeah, i know |
| 02:37.10 | [bathat] | that's kind of relieving because i didn't really want to go through with the installation |
| 02:37.12 | Wyzard | mwilson: The problem is that they need to customize their firewall, and they can do it either by writing rules manually, or by installing a firewall package. |
| 02:37.13 | [bathat] | ;) |
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| 02:37.17 | hejux_ | abrotman:nothing wrong i mean ,if "testing-proposed-updates main contrib non-free" is needed in the source.list |
| 02:37.19 | dondelelcaro | [bathat]: you *can* go from etch -> sarge, but it's not supported, and while it's probably possible now, will become more and more difficult in the future. |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | hejux_: no .. do not use that |
| 02:37.32 | mwilson | Wyzard: 99.9% of people don't need a custom firewall. |
| 02:37.38 | hejux_ | ok |
| 02:37.40 | [bathat] | dondelelcaro: yeh, the procedure looked really complicated and tedious |
| 02:37.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: FireHOL config syntax is simple and succinct, and I'd much rather help someone configure that than have them editing shorewall table entries or raw iptables rules |
| 02:38.16 | FieldySnuts | then do so |
| 02:38.20 | hejux_ | enough ? |
| 02:38.28 | mwilson | Wyzard: Ew, I'd never take the responsibility for helping someone with any of those. |
| 02:38.29 | abrotman | enough what ? |
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| 02:38.40 | mwilson | Wyzard: When they fsck it up, it becomes your fault. |
| 02:38.43 | hejux_ | deb http://debian.cn99.com/debian sarge main non-free contrib |
| 02:38.43 | hejux_ | deb http://debian.cn99.com/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free enough ? |
| 02:38.54 | hejux_ | is that enough ? |
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| 02:39.01 | bucky | hejux_, there is no more non-us read /topic |
| 02:39.02 | Wyzard | mwilson: And FireHOL is harder to fsck up than other methods :-) |
| 02:39.03 | FieldySnuts | heh funny nick |
| 02:39.04 | abrotman | hejux_: DO NOT paste here |
| 02:39.09 | [bathat] | i sent a bug report quite awhile ago and have receive no response... |
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| 02:39.15 | [bathat] | is the debian team really busy right now> |
| 02:39.18 | FieldySnuts | [bathat]: devs are very, very busy |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | hejux_: and you can get rid of non-us .. and you need security updates |
| 02:39.26 | [bathat] | yes, i figured |
| 02:39.27 | mwilson | Actually, firehol is far easier to fsck up. |
| 02:39.38 | [bathat] | well, that's perfectly fine then because this isn't important anyway |
| 02:39.50 | abrotman | dunno .. iptables -F input .. is bad :) |
| 02:39.53 | FieldySnuts | when i don't need a complex firewall set up, ipkungfu usually does what i need |
| 02:39.55 | hejux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | err .. well . not that alone |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | hejux_: no .. |
| 02:40.02 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't understand your reasoning there, considering that enabling a service consists of "server <foo> allow" |
| 02:40.03 | FieldySnuts | if not i'll just hack one out myself in a few hours (anyone can learn to do this) |
| 02:40.06 | Draconicus | Heya. Um.. Rosegarden and other midi apps won't produce sound, even though the seq module is loaded and a proper soundfont is being used. It is likely related to the module. The apps don't complain- no errors. Any ideas? |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | hejux_: it should already be in there |
| 02:40.18 | dondelelcaro | [bathat]: which bug? |
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| 02:40.37 | Wyzard | mwilson: Even for complex protocols like FTP which require multiple iptables rules and kernel connection-tracking modules |
| 02:40.47 | hejux_ | then how to write the sourse.list ?the best way |
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| 02:41.01 | abrotman | hejux_: apt-setup |
| 02:41.03 | Wyzard | Sorry, "accept", not "allow" |
| 02:41.18 | FieldySnuts | -j whogivesashit |
| 02:41.48 | hejux_ | apt-setup? i mean the structure of source.list |
| 02:42.01 | Gskillet | Has anyone here used FakeAP before? |
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| 02:42.15 | abrotman | hejux_: use apt-setup .. it will create the file for you .. correctly |
| 02:42.20 | bucky | hejux_, apt-get install apt-setup and use it |
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| 02:42.51 | Wyzard | Azar: If you're still around, I think Nurbs's advice is the best for now... "iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -j DROP" |
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| 02:43.20 | hejux_ | abrotman: i want to use my own server to update |
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| 02:44.00 | zirikili | hi...anyone using debian with a palm device have success on pdf files transfer ? |
| 02:44.11 | SDFH_Linux | i think i would rather have ht enabled than shutting down right |
| 02:44.13 | SDFH_Linux | :P |
| 02:44.24 | SDFH_Linux | oh well |
| 02:44.44 | yoshio_ | draconius: run alsamixer to unmute channels? |
| 02:44.48 | abrotman | hejux_: that's ok .. it will append the file |
| 02:44.57 | bucky | isn't there an exploit in ht ? |
| 02:44.58 | Draconicus | Erm... digitally, that is. :P |
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| 02:45.08 | abrotman | bucky: you read too much slashdot :) |
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| 02:45.16 | bucky | true |
| 02:45.20 | hejux_ | in dists/ there are many directory like :sarge/ sid/ testing / unstable ,i want only to update in sarge. |
| 02:45.33 | bob2 | hejux_: use debmirror then |
| 02:45.35 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: can you try other smp kernels? |
| 02:45.40 | Wyzard | bucky: Yes, a very obscure one that requires the attacker to have a specific goal and an intimate knowledge of the workings of the software running on your system |
| 02:45.48 | abrotman | hejux_: use apt-setup .. it will ask you about it .. you can then comment out the ones you don't want to use |
| 02:45.51 | hejux_ | so deb http://debian.cn99.com/debian sarge main non-free contrib ,is enough ? |
| 02:45.52 | bob2 | hejux_: assuming you mean "I want to run a local mirror for sarge" |
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| 02:46.15 | abrotman | hejux_: NO you do not have security updates |
| 02:46.23 | abrotman | hejux_: i've told you twice already |
| 02:46.23 | yoshio_ | hejux_: add deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib |
| 02:46.35 | hejux_ | apt-setup will take me to your USA's server |
| 02:46.50 | Wyzard | hejux_: There's only one security server |
| 02:47.10 | hejux_ | ok |
| 02:47.17 | zirikili | is there any way to transfer pdf files from a debian box to a palm handheld? |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | hejux_: no .. it won't .. you can pick .. |
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| 02:47.37 | Wyzard | abrotman: I thought that too, but someone told me earlier that security isn't mirrored |
| 02:47.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's not |
| 02:48.08 | bob2 | it isn't, officialyy |
| 02:48.12 | bob2 | unofficially, it is |
| 02:48.16 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:48.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's meaning the ftp.us.debian.org mirror as opposed to his own |
| 02:48.28 | bob2 | zirikili: presumanbly jpilot can |
| 02:48.45 | bob2 | zirikili: or some of the five thousand other results returned by "apt-cache search palm" |
| 02:48.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: Right, but no other server officially has the security updates, so there's no choice to be made |
| 02:48.53 | hejux_ | Wyzard:this the security updates : http://debian.cn99.com/debian-security sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:49.01 | bucky | hejux_, i thought people in china weren't allowed access outside of china ? |
| 02:49.02 | hejux_ | i am sure |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | hejux_: god damn it .. NO |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | hejux_: someone already gave you the correct line |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | hejux_: there is only ONE place to get security updates |
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| 02:49.36 | zirikili | bob2: hmmm.. I don't think so... :) thanks... anyway |
| 02:49.37 | Draconicus | Well, I'll consult a forum. This is a tricky problem. |
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| 02:49.46 | Wyzard | hejux_: If that server keeps up-to-date with Debian security updates, then go ahead and use it, but it is NOT an official security mirror |
| 02:49.47 | hejux_ | bucky: no i just the server outside is too slow for me ! so i use server nearby |
| 02:50.14 | bucky | where's all the good chinese porn? |
| 02:50.25 | toresbe | in China |
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| 02:50.45 | hejux_ | Wyzard: the official security mirror is too slow for me |
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| 02:51.01 | abrotman | hejux_: there is only one .. tough shit .. you have to use it |
| 02:51.25 | Wyzard | abrotman: Nothing wrong with using an unofficial mirror if it's a well-maintained one |
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| 02:51.38 | bucky | knoppix has landed |
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| 02:51.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: do you thikn it will be ? |
| 02:51.43 | mwilson | Wyzard: For *security* updates? Please. |
| 02:51.51 | abrotman | Drone4four: you can't speak in here with that name |
| 02:51.53 | Gskillet | Has anyone here used FakeAP before? |
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| 02:52.11 | bucky | Gskillet, have you got a Prism2/2.5/3 based 802.11b cards with the CVS version of the Host AP Driver working ? |
| 02:52.20 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, the main archive is mirrored, and someone could modify packages on a mirror |
| 02:52.21 | bob2 | Gskillet: pick one channel |
| 02:52.37 | stouset | You know, sometimes I wish the rate of Debian development matched my obsessive urge to aptitude update. |
| 02:52.38 | SDFH_Linux | yoshio i have tried all the smp kernels since 2.6.8 smp |
| 02:52.38 | Wyzard | mwilson: security updates aren't really any different |
| 02:52.41 | Gskillet | bucky: i dont know about the CVS but |
| 02:52.41 | SDFH_Linux | and same thing on this puter |
| 02:52.47 | hejux_ | Wyzard:so i just need to line |
| 02:52.50 | hejux_ | one http://debian.cn99.com/debian sarge main non-free contrib |
| 02:52.59 | bucky | Gskillet, that's what the site said it needed |
| 02:52.59 | Gskillet | bucky: it works fine as a program but the fakes arent showing up on other comps |
| 02:52.59 | hejux_ | second deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | NO NO NO NO |
| 02:53.04 | abrotman | YES YES YES YES |
| 02:53.13 | hejux_ | two line |
| 02:53.15 | Wyzard | hejux_: That and the security line, from whatever server you choose to use |
| 02:53.27 | Dashiva | is there a specific channel for Sid/experimental |
| 02:53.32 | Master-Yoda | im in /etc/hostname trying to fix my hostname |
| 02:53.34 | bob2 | Dashiva: no |
| 02:53.39 | bob2 | Master-Yoda: that's not enough |
| 02:53.42 | Master-Yoda | i changed it to my fully qulified domain |
| 02:53.45 | Gskillet | bucky: the program is working fine there just arent any Fake AP's showing up on other wireless comps |
| 02:53.53 | Master-Yoda | now what do i do? |
| 02:53.57 | mwilson | Wyzard: Yes, they could. |
| 02:53.58 | hejux_ | and deb-src ? |
| 02:53.59 | SDFH_Linux | no luck yoshio |
| 02:53.59 | Master-Yoda | do i have to restart something |
| 02:54.05 | bob2 | Master-Yoda: it should be your hostnam, not your fqdn |
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| 02:54.20 | Master-Yoda | oh |
| 02:54.22 | Master-Yoda | hostname? |
| 02:54.24 | Master-Yoda | as in? |
| 02:54.47 | bob2 | as in your hostname |
| 02:54.48 | Wyzard | mwilson: Security updates are new versions that contain fixes for known vulnerabilities. They're not any more or less vulnerable to people breaking into mirrors and introducing *new* vulnerabilities. |
| 02:54.51 | mwilson | pf makes my head hurt, but it's a lot easier to understand than iptables. |
| 02:54.51 | bob2 | which doesn't have dots in it |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | Drone4four: you will not be able to speak in #debian .. your username is knoppix .. you have no voice because of that username .. |
| 02:55.35 | Master-Yoda | oh |
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| 02:55.41 | Master-Yoda | like for example blatro |
| 02:55.42 | Master-Yoda | or |
| 02:55.44 | Master-Yoda | monkey? |
| 02:55.45 | bob2 | blah |
| 02:55.48 | Master-Yoda | anything? |
| 02:55.48 | bob2 | or monkey, yes |
| 02:55.52 | Master-Yoda | alright |
| 02:55.54 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: do you have kernel modules thermal fan button processor ac installed? |
| 02:55.56 | Master-Yoda | i changed it to something |
| 02:55.58 | Master-Yoda | now what do i do? |
| 02:56.04 | Master-Yoda | aprenently its not good |
| 02:56.11 | bob2 | Master-Yoda: what does that mean? |
| 02:56.14 | Master-Yoda | cuase my programs keep saying cant resold debian my hostname |
| 02:56.22 | Master-Yoda | reload* |
| 02:56.39 | Wyzard | Master-Yoda: You mean "resolve" ? |
| 02:57.02 | bob2 | Master-Yoda: so, you need to fix /etc/hosts, too |
| 02:57.02 | JeffH | Is there anyway to test the clamav installation similar to the way gtube is used to test spamassassin? |
| 02:57.02 | Master-Yoda | correct |
| 02:57.15 | Guerin | JeffH: eicar test pattern |
| 02:57.18 | bob2 | Master-Yoda: the first line should be: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost monkey |
| 02:57.21 | bob2 | for instance |
| 02:57.32 | Master-Yoda | 127.0.0.1 viperserve.local localhost |
| 02:57.33 | Master-Yoda | 72.21.59.130 viperserve.net viperserve viperserve |
| 02:57.41 | Master-Yoda | alright |
| 02:57.47 | Master-Yoda | add debian to the end of the first? |
| 02:58.00 | bob2 | the first line is wrong |
| 02:58.00 | Master-Yoda | should i add all my ips in there i have 5 total ips? |
| 02:58.08 | JeffH | Guerin: sweet.. thanks. I got postfix up and running and spamassassin too. :) |
| 02:58.09 | bob2 | your hostname is not "viperserve.local" |
| 02:58.16 | Master-Yoda | alright |
| 02:58.17 | Guerin | JeffH: bonza mate. |
| 02:58.18 | Master-Yoda | i didnt set this |
| 02:58.19 | Master-Yoda | heh |
| 02:58.30 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite Guerin |
| 02:58.31 | dpkg | Guerin: bloody hell why dontcha go an arse over tit or tip mate |
| 02:58.31 | Master-Yoda | localhost.viperserve ? |
| 02:58.37 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=155127 says Fedora FC3 has the same problem, so maybe check the linux-kernel mailing lists too |
| 02:58.53 | Master-Yoda | bob can you enlighten me on what i need to change please |
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| 02:59.06 | Guerin | !factinfo cmd: aussiesmite (.*?) |
| 02:59.06 | dpkg | CMD: aussiesmite (.*?) -- created by FieldySnuts <geiFBq3415@fieldysnuts.user> at Sat Jun 4 15:08:38 2005 (8 days). |
| 02:59.11 | bucky | Gskillet, are you running your wireless card in the "mode master" mode ? |
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| 02:59.14 | Guerin | bah, no wonder it's not very aussie |
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| 02:59.22 | Gskillet | bucky: no i dont think so |
| 02:59.27 | bucky | that's why |
| 02:59.43 | bucky | Gskillet, also did you edit fakeap.pl / |
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| 02:59.48 | gin_ | im back, i dunno what kernel select.. if i have AMD Athlon XP 2600+ , what should i select ? |
| 02:59.49 | hejux_ | sid=unstable they mean the same thing in the source.list ? |
| 02:59.59 | dom | k8 |
| 03:00.17 | Gskillet | bucky: i didnt need to change anything, except for the encryption thing i think that's optional |
| 03:00.19 | _daniel_ | hejux_, yes |
| 03:00.48 | bucky | Gskillet, ok.. then your card needs to act as an ap in the master mode |
| 03:01.04 | hejux_ | but why there are two directory in the server ? _daniel_ |
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| 03:01.06 | Master-Yoda | is this better? |
| 03:01.06 | Master-Yoda | 127.0.0.1 viperserve.local localhost |
| 03:01.06 | Master-Yoda | 72.21.59.130 viperserve.net viperserve viperserve |
| 03:01.11 | FieldySnuts | @lart Master-Yoda |
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| 03:01.30 | gin_ | Wyzard, there ? |
| 03:01.36 | Wyzard | gin_: yes |
| 03:02.04 | Gskillet | bucky: i ran: iwconfig eth1 mode master - but it says SET failed on device eth1 ; Invalid argument. |
| 03:02.08 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: i'm out of ideas, sorry |
| 03:02.15 | _daniel_ | hejux_, two directories ? |
| 03:02.19 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: you have acpi on in the bios, but did you check the power management stuff in bios? |
| 03:02.22 | _daniel_ | hejux_, what you mean ? |
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| 03:02.50 | hejux_ | _daniel_: sid and unstable in one dir at the same time at the server |
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| 03:03.03 | gin_ | Wyzard, if i have, AMD Athlon XP 2600+ what do u guess... that should i use ? |
| 03:03.04 | cddesjar | would someone be willing to help me set up my printer using cups |
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| 03:03.12 | gin_ | Wyzard i mean to kernel |
| 03:03.15 | Wyzard | hejux_: sid and unstable are the same thing |
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| 03:03.18 | hejux_ | gin_: k7 |
| 03:03.20 | _daniel_ | hejux_, debian unstable is called debian sid |
| 03:03.25 | Wyzard | gin_: Use the "k7" version |
| 03:03.27 | bucky | Gskillet, i always run my card as wlan0 |
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| 03:03.30 | gin_ | Wyzard ok ty |
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| 03:03.38 | Gskillet | bucky: it automatically calls it eth1 |
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| 03:03.46 | Wyzard | gin_: "K7" is the internal name for Athlon processors |
| 03:04.05 | gin_ | Wyzard do u guess that is a good option put the installation, in modconf ? |
| 03:04.05 | Master-Yoda | anyone? |
| 03:04.06 | Master-Yoda | please |
| 03:04.06 | cddesjar | can i convert a .rpm to a .tar.gz file in debian |
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| 03:04.07 | bucky | Gskillet, is the driver loaded for it? |
| 03:04.12 | dom | not k8? :P |
| 03:04.15 | Gskillet | bucky: yeah host ap drivers |
| 03:04.20 | FieldySnuts | K8 are the 64-bit cpus |
| 03:04.34 | Gskillet | bucky: the card works fine for kismet, and internet |
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| 03:04.43 | Guerin | cddesjar: alien |
| 03:04.43 | Wyzard | gin_: What's a good option to put in modconf? |
| 03:04.54 | gpm | if i install gnome2.10 from experimental, will it be any different from what i'd get if i just waited a couple of days and installed it normally (i'm on sid) |
| 03:04.55 | gpm | ? |
| 03:05.00 | bucky | Gskillet, what's on eth0 ? |
| 03:05.03 | gin_ | Wyzard, like, apt-get install kernel.x.x modconf |
| 03:05.08 | liable | Bad network name with smbclient connecting to a win box. Any ideas, the samba list have a million hits for it, with no answers. |
| 03:05.12 | cddesjar | what would the command be guerin? |
| 03:05.14 | Gskillet | bucky: ethernet built-in network card |
| 03:05.15 | Wyzard | gin_: Sure, install modconf if you want |
| 03:05.17 | Guerin | cddesjar: man alien |
| 03:05.28 | cat | hey i got a question my box been up 7 days and my usb mouse is not responding, i keep on pluging the usb, and disconnecting the usb connector what should i do so it can work, |
| 03:05.40 | bucky | Gskillet, are you forwarding traffic from eth0 to eth1 |
| 03:05.48 | Wyzard | gin_: You could also install "discover", which will scan your hardware and load the right modules automatically, but I'm not sure how it'll handle having two soundcards |
| 03:05.49 | Gskillet | bucky: only eth1 is enabled |
| 03:06.00 | bucky | Gskillet, i dunno |
| 03:06.10 | cat | the usb mouse isn't responding |
| 03:06.16 | yoshio_ | liable: do you have the right workgroup/domain in your config file? |
| 03:06.21 | SDFH_Linux | yes yoshio its on |
| 03:06.23 | cddesjar | but i thought i could only convert a rpm to a deb file |
| 03:06.33 | FieldySnuts | man alien |
| 03:06.35 | SDFH_Linux | and tried turning them on and off and still it wont shut off |
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| 03:06.46 | gin_ | Wyzard, graphical program ? |
| 03:06.56 | liable | yoshio_: yeah, with smbclient -L I can see the shares and verything. |
| 03:06.57 | Wyzard | gin_: No, it's a service that runs automatically when you boot |
| 03:07.08 | gin_ | right.. u mean |
| 03:07.16 | gin_ | Wyzard, like, apt-get install kernel.x.x discover ? |
| 03:07.19 | hejux_ | if there are many server in my source.list ,will bebian updates first from the server ahead ? |
| 03:07.21 | JeffH | Is it possible to have clamav modify the subject of an infected e-mail and add [virus] kind of like spamassassin can do. |
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| 03:07.24 | Master-Yoda | ok |
| 03:07.28 | Master-Yoda | can someone please help me? |
| 03:07.36 | FieldySnuts | with? |
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| 03:07.44 | Master-Yoda | etc/hosts |
| 03:07.44 | Master-Yoda | 127.0.0.1 viperserve.local localhost |
| 03:07.44 | Master-Yoda | 72.21.59.130 viperserve.net viperserve viperserve |
| 03:07.48 | FieldySnuts | stop flooding please |
| 03:07.49 | Master-Yoda | does this look right? |
| 03:07.51 | cat | Master-Yoda: used #flood |
| 03:07.53 | sparr_ | I have a kernel and an initrd. the initrd runs its own linuxrc to set up networking and mount / over NFS, then it uses stuff on the new root to run config scripts that make my storage devices accessible. I need to migrate this working configuration over to a larger initrd that does everything on its own, without the NFS mount, so I can mount root off one of the storage devices. Suggestions? |
| 03:07.56 | Master-Yoda | im not flooding :( |
| 03:08.04 | Master-Yoda | its very important for me to get this right |
| 03:08.04 | Wyzard | Master-Yoda: What does /etc/hostname say? |
| 03:08.08 | cat | FieldySnuts: can you help me out please? |
| 03:08.13 | Master-Yoda | it says debian |
| 03:08.16 | cat | if is possible |
| 03:08.16 | Master-Yoda | debian is my hostname |
| 03:08.21 | FieldySnuts | cat: I don't use usb so I don't know |
| 03:08.29 | cat | oh ok thnx anyways ):D |
| 03:08.43 | cat | should i just reboot my machine? |
| 03:08.51 | bucky | Gskillet, what does iwconfig eth0 say? |
| 03:08.58 | FieldySnuts | might be the simplest fix |
| 03:09.00 | Wyzard | Master-Yoda: Then the 127.0.0.1 line in your hosts file should have "debian" as the first name listed |
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| 03:09.05 | cat | i'm wondering why the usb mouse isn't responding that sucks it haesn't really happend this before |
| 03:09.13 | gin_ | Wyzard, its stopped and setting up the kernel-headers 2.6.x |
| 03:09.19 | Master-Yoda | k |
| 03:09.22 | bucky | cat modprobe usbmouse |
| 03:09.23 | mwilson | man, I really don't want Gnome 2.10... |
| 03:09.24 | Wyzard | Master-Yoda: Or, if you want to change your hostname, edit /etc/hostname and then put the new name in the hosts file |
| 03:09.28 | cddesjar | i don't think you can convert .rpm to a .tar.gz with alien |
| 03:09.35 | Wyzard | mwilson: You don't use GNOME anyway, right? |
| 03:09.35 | cat | nope, you can't |
| 03:09.42 | sparr_ | you can do rpm to deb, then deb to tgz? |
| 03:09.50 | cat | sparr_: you can try, |
| 03:09.51 | gvandora | wzir |
| 03:10.08 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, but I do use several GTK2 dependent packages that always seem to end up pulling in various parts of Gnome. |
| 03:10.10 | FieldySnuts | read the damn man page for alien, for the third time. no guessing, it'll tel lyou what it can do |
| 03:10.22 | Wyzard | I don't know about RPM, but a .deb contains a .tar.gz of the software itself, plus some metadata |
| 03:10.48 | Gskillet | bucky: eth0 no wireless extensions. |
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| 03:11.01 | Wyzard | "converting" from .deb to .tar.gz would mean either throwing away that metadata, or just converting the archive format (which seems pointless) |
| 03:11.06 | FieldySnuts | generally if i can find something only in rpm, i get the idea the maintainer is a clueball and hope to find other software instead |
| 03:11.24 | bucky | Gskillet, go here a sort your wireless card out http://www.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/hostap_20030727.shtml |
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| 03:11.50 | hejux_ | how to make debian update from the fastest server in my source.list ???? Wyzard |
| 03:12.01 | bucky | mwilson, is it possible to run gnome using openbox for the wm ? |
| 03:12.07 | Gskillet | buky: i saw something i forgot to change in the pl file, im going to test it and be back, thanks for ur help and i'll check out that URL |
| 03:12.12 | mwilson | bucky: Certainly. |
| 03:12.15 | _daniel_ | hejux_, put the servers as near to you as possible |
| 03:12.21 | gin_ | Wyzard, i have installed the headers.. how can i load snd-emu10k1 ? |
| 03:12.35 | mwilson | Ok, now, why has xscreensaver decided it needs to depend on libglade... |
| 03:12.44 | hejux_ | _daniel_: put the server ahead ? |
| 03:12.47 | Wyzard | gin_: Kernel headers have nothing to do with loading modules... what kernel-image did you install? |
| 03:13.04 | Master-Yoda | can someone explain the therie of having a secondary nameserver |
| 03:13.07 | mwilson | Oh, no wonder... Hildebrandt is the maintainer. |
| 03:13.10 | Wyzard | mwilson: The configuration app probably had its UI redone in glade |
| 03:13.24 | gin_ | Wyzard, im installing that.. |
| 03:13.24 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a widget war |
| 03:13.24 | ravenbird | no idea, FieldySnuts |
| 03:13.26 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 03:13.33 | mwilson | There's another maintainer you can't trust. |
| 03:13.34 | bucky | Master-Yoda, in case one goes down you have a back up |
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| 03:13.36 | JeffH | anyone seen this before? Clam Antivirus-clamd av-scanner FAILED: Too many retries to talk |
| 03:13.36 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.39 | Wyzard | hejux_: You can use "netselect" to test a group of servers and see which is the fastest |
| 03:13.48 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: do you have a list? |
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| 03:13.57 | _daniel_ | hejux_, I mean servers are located in a physical place, if that physical place ir nearer you, the faster the connection is going to be |
| 03:13.57 | hejux_ | ok |
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| 03:14.05 | FieldySnuts | *certain* devs aren't worth contacting even once, even if it's good news |
| 03:14.07 | Wyzard | mwilson: hehe... maintainers are untrustworthy if they make packages that use GNOME stuff? |
| 03:14.16 | _daniel_ | hejux_, the less hops the package is going to do |
| 03:14.21 | e0xa20 | im having trouble emerging firefrox |
| 03:14.23 | Master-Yoda | bucky, how would i configure one? with 2 ips first right? |
| 03:14.26 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, maintainers are untrustworthy if they produce crap packages. |
| 03:14.26 | e0xa20 | *firefox |
| 03:14.31 | FieldySnuts | yes, it's tough to emerge anything in debian. |
| 03:14.31 | cat | stupid me to run the usb deamon is /etc/init.d/hotplug restart; (: i wonder how come it was offline, |
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| 03:14.33 | FieldySnuts | you want to join #gentoo |
| 03:14.37 | cat | i mean the deamon was off |
| 03:14.37 | e0xa20 | anyone know whats wrong with my cflags? |
| 03:14.50 | abrotman | e0xa20: wrong channle |
| 03:14.50 | FieldySnuts | so you're either confused, or a troll |
| 03:14.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: And anything GNOME-related is, in your view, automatically crap. :-) |
| 03:14.57 | bucky | Master-Yoda, you put them in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:15.00 | e0xa20 | No, this is debian |
| 03:15.04 | abrotman | e0xa20: /j #debian ... |
| 03:15.07 | e0xa20 | debian wont let me emerge |
| 03:15.09 | abrotman | e0xa20: debian doesn't have emerge |
| 03:15.12 | FieldySnuts | now see if he was an actual gentoo user, he'd have said CFLAGS not cflags. i call troll. |
| 03:15.13 | richie086 | LOL |
| 03:15.18 | abrotman | e0xa20: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:15.22 | FieldySnuts | @gentoosmite e0xa20 |
| 03:15.22 | e0xa20 | no you are |
| 03:15.24 | cat | exobyte: emerge you have apt-get to emerge |
| 03:15.26 | Master-Yoda | bucky, then i set my ns1 and ns2 two those two diffrent ips correct? |
| 03:15.34 | FieldySnuts | man. i'm having bad luck today. what happened to gentoosmite |
| 03:16.03 | abrotman | e0xa20: you're running debian or gentoo ? |
| 03:16.21 | Master-Yoda | do i have to add a new eth<number> per ip |
| 03:16.25 | bucky | Master-Yoda, are you configuring your network card? or bind9 ? |
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| 03:16.42 | Master-Yoda | i just want to have both nameservers up for my server |
| 03:16.42 | hejux_ | _daniel_: i see by the way how to mount iso in the fstab automatically ? |
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| 03:16.50 | Master-Yoda | im not sure which one to do |
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| 03:16.59 | Wyzard | Master-Yoda: You have one of those per network card. Usually each network card has one IP address, but it's possible to assign several IPs to one card. |
| 03:17.01 | cosiguest | hello |
| 03:17.11 | cat | cosiguest: hello |
| 03:17.17 | _daniel_ | hejux_, How to mount something automatically ? man fstab |
| 03:17.23 | shizz | how do I install the media player packages for debian linux? so that I can see real player/media player/quick time and so on -- can anyone help? |
| 03:17.25 | JeffH | clamav is telling me its out of date Is sarge alredy using old stuff? |
| 03:17.28 | bucky | Master-Yoda, if you use dhcp it does in automatically and puts them in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 03:17.37 | hejux_ | _daniel_: but it is a iso file |
| 03:17.42 | abrotman | man mount |
| 03:17.46 | abrotman | err man fstab |
| 03:17.49 | _daniel_ | hejux_, iso files are on a cd ? |
| 03:17.50 | abrotman | well . both |
| 03:17.50 | mwilson | Wyzard: There are just maintainers who's packages you don't ever let install without thorough auditing. d'Itri, for example. |
| 03:17.54 | Wyzard | Master-Yoda: The point of having two IP addresses for DNS is for redundancy in case one of them goes down. Having both IPs correspond to the same machine defeats the purpose. :-) |
| 03:17.58 | hejux_ | no HD |
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| 03:18.13 | _daniel_ | hejux_, I dont understand what you want to do hejux_ |
| 03:18.14 | Master-Yoda | ok |
| 03:18.24 | _daniel_ | hejux_, want to burn it or what ? |
| 03:18.24 | hejux_ | _daniel_: HD ,and HD aready mounted |
| 03:18.24 | cat | shizz: apt-get install vlc |
| 03:18.28 | bucky | Master-Yoda, if you're using static address http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-high-static |
| 03:18.38 | Wyzard | hejux_: To mount an iso without burning it to a CD, use "-o loop" when mounting |
| 03:18.50 | FieldySnuts | !win Wyzard |
| 03:18.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, Wyzard! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 03:18.53 | hejux_ | _daniel_: i dont want to burn |
| 03:18.57 | Master-Yoda | well for example if im adding extra ips for lets say, irc servers each one will have a diffrent ip |
| 03:19.04 | Master-Yoda | i could add more then a few ips |
| 03:19.04 | cat | and don't forget the mozilla plugin apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc shizz |
| 03:19.06 | nomed^ | well .. i made a soft link in /etc/hal/device.d/45-fstab-sync.hal .. and it generates entries in /etc/fstab .. but .. do you know if it 's possible to clean them then .. fstab-sync --clean doesn't do anything |
| 03:19.10 | _daniel_ | hejux_, Ive never mounted ISO's, and hadnt heard of anyone mounting them |
| 03:19.14 | Master-Yoda | that would be via bind or network card? |
| 03:19.25 | hejux_ | _daniel_: lol |
| 03:19.29 | bucky | Master-Yoda, you put that in /etc/hosts |
| 03:19.37 | Master-Yoda | ok |
| 03:19.43 | shizz | thanks cat |
| 03:19.48 | cat | any time shizz |
| 03:19.57 | cat | don't forget to restart the mozilla |
| 03:20.02 | xaphod | hey - is there a way to keep a linux machine replicated over the network in order to have a "hot spare" of the whole O/S ? It'd be diff. hardware, so I guess different kernel/modules, but everything else... |
| 03:20.06 | shizz | cat, thanks again - i know :P |
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| 03:20.34 | cat | xaphod: explain |
| 03:21.14 | bucky | xaphod, too much overhead.. back up critical files |
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| 03:21.40 | muhoo | i have a usb flash drive. usb-storage driver loads, gets as far as reporting Vendor/Rev/Type, then states "device scan complete" |
| 03:21.46 | xaphod | cat: ok. I'm leaving for a month-long trip out west, packing all my s**t in storage b4 i leave. In the month beforehand I wish to have my router (runs my website, email, etc) running alongside another machine so I can just turn off my router and the other machine will take over (once I tell it to) |
| 03:21.59 | bucky | you could tar up a snapshot of a basic install and burn it to a cd i guess |
| 03:22.01 | mwilson | muhoo: Right... and? |
| 03:22.01 | muhoo | it totally skips the steps of actually attaching the device. i.e. SCSI device sda: etc, |
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| 03:22.23 | mwilson | muhoo: Do you actually run something like hotplug that would do things like that for you? |
| 03:22.26 | xaphod | bucky: no, it'd be over a LAN, no worries about overhead. And i'm talking about hot-spare, not just an image |
| 03:22.28 | muhoo | mode sense, i never get to "attached scsi removeable disk sda at ..." |
| 03:22.38 | muhoo | must i use hotplug? |
| 03:22.40 | Wyzard | muhoo: Do you have sd_mod loaded? |
| 03:22.42 | cat | well what u can do is connected, the computer to the modem, used 2 lan card ethernet card and connected them together |
| 03:22.44 | muhoo | sd_mod is loaded |
| 03:22.47 | Azar | how can I save and exit nano? |
| 03:22.52 | FieldySnuts | why would you tar and then put it on a cd? |
| 03:22.54 | mwilson | muhoo: Unless you think things like that happen by magic. |
| 03:22.55 | cat | muhoo: nope because is not usb |
| 03:22.59 | FieldySnuts | just make an iso, and burn that |
| 03:23.04 | shizz | cat, |
| 03:23.05 | Wyzard | muhoo: And yes, hotplug is the software that handles hotplugging of hardware |
| 03:23.09 | cat | yes sir? |
| 03:23.11 | shizz | cat, it doesn't seem to have worked |
| 03:23.14 | resiak | Azar: Read the bottom of the screen? ^X means Ctrl-X, for example. |
| 03:23.22 | Azar | oh thanks |
| 03:23.24 | muhoo | ok, well that's easy to try... |
| 03:23.44 | shizz | cat, i apted the plugin for mozilla and just vlc -- i go to "www.quicktime.com" and the browser closes |
| 03:24.00 | cddesjar | ok so i set up my printer..is there anything special that i need to add to /etc/fstab? |
| 03:24.05 | JeffH | anyone use clamav? What is it trying to tell me when it says it is out of date? |
| 03:24.09 | muhoo | although, i have a live-cd system that doesn't run hotplug at all, and it does this just fine. maybe it uses some other tool |
| 03:24.09 | cat | what version of mozilla you're using? |
| 03:24.16 | Azar | Wyzard the installation automatically goes online no way I can have a firewall before installation |
| 03:24.21 | shizz | cat, i suppose the apt-get one |
| 03:24.22 | Wyzard | cddesjar: No, printers aren't mounted |
| 03:24.23 | bucky | !start a browser war |
| 03:24.23 | dpkg | Netscape < Amanda! |
| 03:24.23 | resiak | JeffH: That its definitions are, amazingly enough, out of dat? |
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| 03:24.25 | muhoo | there must be multiple ways to get these things mounted. i'll try hotplug |
| 03:24.32 | Wyzard | Azar: Unplug the network cable |
| 03:24.35 | cat | cddesjar: what is it a usb printer? |
| 03:24.39 | myren | one of my RAID 5 discs just died |
| 03:24.41 | myren | what do i do? |
| 03:24.51 | JeffH | resiak: I got the impression it was telling me the binary program file was out of date.. not the definitions. |
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| 03:24.59 | cddesjar | yup |
| 03:25.03 | cddesjar | it's a dell A920 |
| 03:25.05 | mwilson | myren: Uh, replace it? |
| 03:25.19 | Azar | ok |
| 03:25.23 | resiak | JeffH: Do you have the exact message? |
| 03:25.24 | cddesjar | i went and added it to localhost |
| 03:25.27 | mwilson | myren: You do know how to administer a RAID, since you think you need to run one, right? |
| 03:25.42 | cddesjar | but it's not printing |
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| 03:25.47 | JeffH | resiak: WARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED! |
| 03:25.47 | JeffH | WARNING: Local version: 0.84 Recommended version: 0.85.1 |
| 03:25.49 | cddesjar | do i need more packages maybe? |
| 03:25.53 | cat | cddesjar: nope, |
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| 03:26.01 | shizz | cat, you cant help? |
| 03:26.06 | resiak | JeffH: Check their site? |
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| 03:26.15 | cat | shizz: i asked you a question what version of mozilla you're using |
| 03:26.19 | cddesjar | i don't need to add anything about usbfs in /etc/fstab? |
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| 03:26.33 | cat | cddesjar: try realoading the hotplug deamon and star printing |
| 03:26.45 | cat | if not we need to look up the printer on google and see if it works |
| 03:26.47 | cddesjar | how do i reload hotplug? |
| 03:26.54 | cddesjar | cat: how do i reload hotplug? |
| 03:26.57 | cat | cddesjar: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart; |
| 03:26.58 | FieldySnuts | not sure. -HUP ? |
| 03:27.01 | Wyzard | hotplug doesn't need to be reloaded just because you plugged in a device |
| 03:27.20 | cat | well let's give it a shot, |
| 03:27.43 | Wyzard | If it's a USB printer then you might need a usbdevfs entry in fstab, but I'm not sure |
| 03:27.52 | shizz | cat, im using mozilla 1.7.8 |
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| 03:28.16 | cat | shizz: try mozilla-firefox (: |
| 03:28.23 | cat | if still closes then is a bug |
| 03:28.30 | shizz | me try |
| 03:28.50 | abrotman | but it's an upstream bug probably |
| 03:29.09 | shizz | hi abrotman |
| 03:29.13 | abrotman | no . no hi |
| 03:29.17 | Wyzard | Hey, cool, my email is working again |
| 03:29.19 | abrotman | never! |
| 03:29.22 | shizz | lol |
| 03:29.25 | shizz | >:[ |
| 03:29.41 | cat | hey cool my mouse keeps on freezing |
| 03:29.42 | jmsl | i have a question about building firefox, i noticed that dsa keys are generated, are they used for anything by default, i'd expect these keys to be generated on install, not building |
| 03:29.55 | abrotman | jmsl: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:30.15 | mwilson | Why do people think they need to build crapfox? |
| 03:30.27 | shizz | cat, still crashed |
| 03:30.33 | cat | then is a bug, |
| 03:30.33 | abrotman | because as you say often .. maintainers are idiots :) |
| 03:30.42 | cddesjar | argh it's still not working |
| 03:30.46 | jmsl | what if i'm a dork and what to build my own from scratch out of sid, i've built backports for woody before |
| 03:30.53 | mwilson | abrotman: It's not maintainers that're doing it. |
| 03:30.55 | abrotman | jmsl: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:31.05 | shizz | cat, fuck --- now what? i want to remove the plugin or my browser will keep closing |
| 03:31.06 | cddesjar | i restart cupsys and restarted hotplug |
| 03:31.17 | jmsl | abrotman apt-get remove coreutils |
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| 03:31.28 | simonrvn | jmsl: what? |
| 03:31.33 | cat | shizz: apt-get remove mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 03:31.45 | cat | cddesjar: did it worked? |
| 03:32.01 | mwilson | jmsl: Why would you do something stupid like remove coreutils? |
| 03:32.05 | cddesjar | cat: nope |
| 03:32.10 | jmsl | that was sarcasm |
| 03:32.16 | jmsl | i just have a simple question about building firefox, and everyone is being annoying or indifferent about it |
| 03:32.19 | cat | cddesjar: lspci does it show anything there? about you'r printer? |
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| 03:32.38 | lorz | has naybody used fetchyahoo? |
| 03:32.44 | cddesjar | cat: nope |
| 03:32.47 | jmsl | someone keeps telling me to apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:32.48 | FieldySnuts | !has anyone |
| 03:32.48 | dpkg | "Has anyone used...", "Has anyone seen this error...", and so on are annoying ways to ask a question. Be direct. "I am trying to ___ with ___ and when I type ___ I get this error: '___'." |
| 03:32.50 | abrotman | jmsl: why are you building it ? |
| 03:33.03 | simonrvn | becuase he's brain dead |
| 03:33.06 | jmsl | because i want to |
| 03:33.09 | mwilson | jmsl: Crapfox is annoying enough without trying to build it yourself. |
| 03:33.12 | cat | cddesjar: try unpluging the printer from the usb that's weird |
| 03:33.12 | jmsl | and i've done it before |
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| 03:33.14 | coywolf | one job is a filesystem development (salary: 1500), one is linux system admin(salary > 4000), which one should I choose? |
| 03:33.15 | lorz | hehe |
| 03:33.16 | abrotman | jmsl: then ask on irc.mozilla.org |
| 03:33.21 | jmsl | been there done that |
| 03:33.25 | Azar | so how can I use a firewall in command line? never seen a firewall in linux |
| 03:33.29 | SDFH_Linux | mwilson what browser do you use? |
| 03:33.32 | resiak | !tell Azar -about search |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | why are you asking us ? |
| 03:33.35 | cat | if the usb is connected it to the usb connector at least lspci would detect you'r printer the name of it |
| 03:33.37 | simonrvn | oh boy.... |
| 03:33.41 | abrotman | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:33.48 | jmsl | umm gasp, there might be a maintainer here? |
| 03:33.51 | bucky | jmsl pass a bunch of optimization flags to the compiler so it can be fast like gentoo |
| 03:33.59 | simonrvn | coywolf: we're not #employmentopportunities |
| 03:34.01 | myren | arg, i dont know how to identify which physical disc has failed on this array |
| 03:34.02 | Azar | thanks resiak |
| 03:34.05 | abrotman | jmsl: and they will tell you to apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:34.07 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: links2 usually, mozilla when that doesn't work. |
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| 03:34.15 | cddesjar | when i do printconf it recognizes my printer there but doesn't know what to do with it |
| 03:34.20 | coywolf | simonrvn, but that's debian sysadmin |
| 03:34.22 | resiak | Azar: My pleasure. apt-cache search firewall will tell you more than #debian, for good reasons. |
| 03:34.27 | simonrvn | coywolf: we're not #employmentopportunities |
| 03:34.33 | Azar | ok |
| 03:34.33 | coywolf | simonrvn, but that's debian sysadmin |
| 03:34.35 | cat | cddesjar: hold up a sec |
| 03:34.38 | cddesjar | ok |
| 03:34.51 | simonrvn | coywolf: we're not #employmentopportunities. *plonk* |
| 03:34.55 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 03:34.56 | dpkg | methinks plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
| 03:34.58 | [bathat] | is it safe to install unstable pkgs on a testing platform? |
| 03:34.58 | Gskillet | Does anyone know how to get the CVS drivers of Hostap? |
| 03:35.09 | resiak | Gskillet: The Hostap developers? |
| 03:35.14 | cat | cddesjar: try apt-get install xpp brb i'm gonna smoked a cig and then i will help you if i can ):D |
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| 03:35.33 | ding0k | is there a way to fsck an ntfs partition ? |
| 03:35.35 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: I find a good measure of whether or not a particular site is worth bothering with to be whether or not I *have* to use Moz to interact with it. |
| 03:35.42 | Wyzard | ding0k: Not in Linux, AFAIK |
| 03:35.44 | cddesjar | ok |
| 03:35.45 | Gskillet | resiak: cant find it there :( |
| 03:35.45 | abrotman | ding0k: yes .. use windows |
| 03:35.56 | simonrvn | gawds... that dumbass applying for a linux job... |
| 03:35.57 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: Most that I do, aren't. |
| 03:36.01 | SDFH_Linux | never used link2 maybe i should try it |
| 03:36.08 | jmsl | oh well, i guess this is the wrong place to ask technical questions, i thought there was more to debian than apt-get install |
| 03:36.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: i fear for the internet :) |
| 03:36.19 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 03:36.25 | abrotman | jmsl: it's packaged for you .. you haven't told us why you're trying to build it |
| 03:36.44 | resiak | !fgi Gskillet hostap cvs # It's the third result, for smeg's sake. |
| 03:36.44 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: links is crap as a console browser, but it's quite usable in GUI mode. |
| 03:36.45 | dpkg | Gskillet: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=hostap cvs # It's the third result, for smeg's sake. |
| 03:37.01 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:37.02 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 03:37.21 | jmsl | because i've backported it in the past to woody, and i'm backporting it now to ubuntu, both times succesfully, i just want to ask about the build process, but all anyone seems to know is apt-get |
| 03:37.23 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: It ignores all CSS, and you can turn off its javascript support. |
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| 03:37.43 | shizz | thank you very much, cat, the vlc driver is appreciated |
| 03:37.46 | pipeline | SDFH_Linux: links2 is for weird console users. Dillo is the one true browser. |
| 03:37.51 | SDFH_Linux | you have to use command prompt to get it going |
| 03:37.53 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 03:37.54 | Wyzard | jmsl: #debian-devel might be a better place to ask about packaging issues |
| 03:37.58 | abrotman | jmsl: so you're trying to compile it on ubuntu ? |
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| 03:38.09 | mwilson | You have to wonder why someone would (a) think they'd have to backport crapfox to ubuntoobie, and (b) why they'd ask for help with that in #debian. |
| 03:38.18 | abrotman | jmsl: you want #ubuntu |
| 03:38.21 | jmsl | thank you, and yes, it builds and installs |
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| 03:38.23 | simonrvn | jmsl: a) kiss my ass b) wtf build it when you can just install it? do you have certain build options you need to enable? is there some functionality you want to add to it? if not, then forgetaboutit |
| 03:38.27 | Gskillet | resiak: those are the plain drivers, not CVS |
| 03:38.31 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: You do? |
| 03:38.32 | Wyzard | abrotman, mwilson: He's not asking for help with building it |
| 03:38.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: he said he wants to build it |
| 03:38.50 | Wyzard | abrotman, mwilson: He just asked for rationale about why its build process does what it does |
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| 03:38.54 | jmsl | i just want to ask why the source package from sid generates dsa keys |
| 03:39.01 | resiak | Gskillet: You mean you're at http://hostap.epitest.fi/ ? |
| 03:39.06 | mwilson | Wyzard: Well, the ONLY answer to that is "ask the Mozilla people". |
| 03:39.06 | simonrvn | ask the maint then |
| 03:39.07 | Azar | should I allow the sshd server? I usually say yes .. |
| 03:39.10 | abrotman | jmsl: then email the maintainer |
| 03:39.16 | abrotman | !maint mozilla-firefox |
| 03:39.20 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: Eric Dorland <eric@debian.org> |
| 03:39.22 | resiak | Azar: Do you want an ssh server? |
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| 03:39.31 | SDFH_Linux | i installed links2 how do you get it going on gui mode? |
| 03:39.31 | simonrvn | email him ^^^^ |
| 03:39.35 | [bathat] | is it safe to install unstable pkgs on a testing platform |
| 03:39.38 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: -g |
| 03:39.38 | Azar | resiak no |
| 03:39.49 | resiak | Azar: Well, then, you don't want, do you? |
| 03:39.51 | cat | i'm back |
| 03:39.58 | resiak | [bathat]: If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 03:40.11 | Azar | it used to be a ssh server before , but now I don't think is safe |
| 03:40.20 | resiak | Why? |
| 03:40.27 | Azar | because so easy to break in |
| 03:40.33 | SDFH_Linux | whoa thats pretty neat |
| 03:40.40 | cat | cddesjar: did it worked? |
| 03:40.41 | SDFH_Linux | what are the benefits of using links2? |
| 03:40.43 | simonrvn | only if you're stupid about it |
| 03:40.47 | mwilson | Azar: Really. How is it easier to break in? |
| 03:40.48 | kreze1 | Azar: Still trying to secure your box? |
| 03:40.49 | Wyzard | Azar: People aren't breaking in through your sshd... not unless it's an out-of-date version maybe |
| 03:40.52 | cddesjar | cat: nope |
| 03:41.03 | abrotman | or you give out your keys :) |
| 03:41.04 | cddesjar | do i need to add something to my fstab file? |
| 03:41.08 | Wyzard | Azar: How often do you install security updates? |
| 03:41.08 | Azar | mwilson that is why I am reinstalling now, it was way too easy broken in |
| 03:41.15 | resiak | Azar: Why? |
| 03:41.16 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: I told you. It ignores CSS, it doesn't support Java, and you can turn off its javascript support. |
| 03:41.18 | Azar | Wyzard every 2 days |
| 03:41.25 | simonrvn | you didn't keep it up to date... |
| 03:41.32 | simonrvn | for starters |
| 03:41.33 | abrotman | mwilson: you mean . the web the wya it was intended? :) |
| 03:41.34 | Azar | resiak I have no idea how but the entire system was rooted |
| 03:41.35 | kreze1 | Azar: Did you get cracked or something? |
| 03:41.41 | SDFH_Linux | and dillo is good too? |
| 03:41.42 | Azar | yes |
| 03:41.47 | bob2 | hah, ignores css |
| 03:41.47 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: Try it, maybe? |
| 03:41.50 | cat | did you run the xpp |
| 03:41.58 | kreze1 | Azar: oof home machine or server? Do you know how they got in? |
| 03:42.00 | cddesjar | no how do i do that? |
| 03:42.01 | simonrvn | links2 runs js, but doesn't grok css |
| 03:42.09 | cddesjar | type xpp? |
| 03:42.11 | cat | cddesjar: used a terminal and put xpp |
| 03:42.28 | Azar | 992 / telnets |
| 03:42.35 | simonrvn | useless for webdev :| |
| 03:42.39 | Wyzard | Azar: No, that's not how the intrusion occurred |
| 03:42.46 | Wyzard | Azar: That's something the intruder put there after he got in |
| 03:42.47 | Azar | deleted the GNU info |
| 03:43.06 | myren | are there any tools for examining more than one hd at a time? |
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| 03:43.23 | mwilson | abrotman: I have no idea how the web was intended to be... I merely know I have no interest in seeing the crap people try to push. |
| 03:43.23 | Azar | somehow last night bruteforce scan was performed, this morning it became unstable |
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| 03:43.30 | resiak | myren: "Examining"? |
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| 03:43.39 | [bathat] | resiak: because that tells you i'm not experienced enough? |
| 03:43.47 | cat | !tell Herminio about root |
| 03:43.51 | kreze1 | Azar: Did you have a firewall up at the time? |
| 03:43.51 | resiak | !tell [bathat] -about sid faq |
| 03:43.51 | simonrvn | @tell Herminio -about root |
| 03:43.55 | Azar | Jun 11 20:48:18 oracle sshd[9729]: Illegal user admin from ::ffff:66.125.126.181 |
| 03:43.56 | Wyzard | Azar: Scans are not intrusions. Scans are probes to find vulnerabilities. You still have no idea how the actual intrusion occurred, so you don't know what to guard against. |
| 03:44.01 | [bathat] | resiak: i just want to install libreiserfs for qtparted |
| 03:44.14 | Wyzard | Ugh... confused CD-ROM drive, gotta power-cycle to reset it |
| 03:44.19 | resiak | [bathat]: Well, read that faq and see what you think. |
| 03:44.19 | Azar | kreze1 no, because I thought I do not need a firewall with Debian: that is the myth going around |
| 03:44.20 | kreze1 | Azar: I get scanned EVERY DAY. |
| 03:44.24 | cddesjar | cat: nope |
| 03:44.25 | [bathat] | ok |
| 03:44.26 | kingsley_ | What do the html tags "<u>" and "</u>" do? |
| 03:44.34 | stouset | Try it? |
| 03:44.37 | cddesjar | what if i reboot? |
| 03:44.38 | Azar | kreze1 I was not able to reboot |
| 03:44.39 | [bathat] | -about |
| 03:44.40 | cat | underline kingsley_ |
| 03:44.44 | cddesjar | would that do anything? |
| 03:44.47 | resiak | !fgi kingsley_ html+u |
| 03:44.47 | dpkg | kingsley_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=html+u |
| 03:44.49 | cat | cddesjar: try |
| 03:44.52 | cddesjar | ok |
| 03:45.00 | kingsley_ | cat: Thanks. |
| 03:45.03 | cat | np |
| 03:45.04 | Azar | GNU copyrights files were missing |
| 03:45.12 | kingsley_ | !lart resiak |
| 03:45.19 | resiak | !tell [bathat] -about quick etch/sid mix |
| 03:45.21 | simonrvn | Azar: did you take a snapshot of the system, and audit it? did you take it offline when you realised it got r00ted? did you do anything to try to find out what got r00ted? and yes, many systems get scanned, it doesn't mean they got r00ted. it means someone/something is scanning for vulnerable daemons, backdoors, etc. |
| 03:45.23 | resiak | kingsley_: ... |
| 03:45.28 | cat | kingsley_: what does <b> testing </b> do? |
| 03:45.46 | resiak | kingsley_: It's on the first page... |
| 03:45.49 | kingsley_ | cat: I presume bold. |
| 03:45.53 | Azar | simonrvn I am totally zero at auditing the system |
| 03:45.56 | simonrvn | it's html bold ffs |
| 03:45.58 | cat | hey you're learning already |
| 03:46.23 | resiak | #html is that way -------------> |
| 03:46.28 | cat | try reading some html basics |
| 03:46.30 | Azar | I do not know how to use a firewall, check connections, monitor processes, never did that |
| 03:46.38 | simonrvn | then learn |
| 03:46.54 | simonrvn | otherwise you will get rooted just as quickly |
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| 03:47.05 | bob2 | tho |
| 03:47.10 | bob2 | <b> is deprectaed in XHTML |
| 03:47.10 | [bathat] | -about quick etch/sid mix |
| 03:47.16 | Azar | I bet I can get rooted easily |
| 03:47.17 | kreze1 | Azar: A little bit of minimal knowlege is always good to have. Lock down your machine with a nice strong firewall, don't run any services you don't need, becareful with suid-root stuff, etc. |
| 03:47.19 | resiak | !tell [bathat] -about msgdpkg |
| 03:47.36 | [bathat] | resiak: i'm fairly new to irc |
| 03:47.45 | [bathat] | what is this -about? |
| 03:47.59 | cat | [bathat]: are you new with linux also? |
| 03:48.00 | kreze1 | Azar: How do you think they come up with those statistics about how "linux is no more secure than windows"? They take a fresh, unpatched, unfirewalled Linux box and stick it on the net, and watch it get cracked |
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| 03:48.05 | resiak | [bathat]: dpkg is a bot (that is, a computer program pretending to be a normal IRC user) who can be made to tell people things. Read what he just told you. |
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| 03:48.14 | [bathat] | cat: relatively, yes |
| 03:48.22 | cat | nice |
| 03:48.22 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know how to make fonts bigger on dillo? |
| 03:48.22 | Master-Yoda | ok |
| 03:48.25 | Master-Yoda | um an issue |
| 03:48.26 | Master-Yoda | sys_command() | ERROR: External command '/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 2001 vu2001' returned '9' status ! |
| 03:48.28 | [bathat] | resiak: i know that part |
| 03:48.38 | Master-Yoda | why does groupadd return 9 status? |
| 03:49.06 | cat | SDFH_Linux: try man dillo and probaly there will let ya known |
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| 03:49.43 | simonrvn | <span style="font-weight: bold;">foo bar</span> |
| 03:49.45 | [bathat] | libreiserfs just hasn't been released to testing yet? |
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| 03:49.59 | simonrvn | XHTML transitional allows <b> |
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| 03:50.08 | resiak | [bathat]: You have the same resources to check with that we have. |
| 03:50.11 | pipeline | "transitional" hahahhaha |
| 03:50.12 | resiak | !tell [bathat] -about pdo |
| 03:50.15 | cat | i love xhtml and XML +) |
| 03:50.21 | pipeline | People will be writing HTML 4 targeted at IE5 until the end of time. |
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| 03:50.42 | bob2 | hah |
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| 03:51.00 | FieldySnuts | all I know is if i can't view a page properly in a browser i'm using without java, javascript and flash, i'm going elsewhere |
| 03:51.12 | [bathat] | resiak: you're probably right, i should stop asking so many questions and check for myself |
| 03:51.26 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: How about CSS? |
| 03:51.28 | bob2 | !why isn't libreiserfs in testing? |
| 03:51.31 | resiak | [bathat]: *nods* You'll find the answers quicker, and with less wailing and gnashing of teeth on here :) |
| 03:51.32 | benje | hi |
| 03:51.42 | resiak | pipeline: Hell, I use viruses under wine-safe ;-) |
| 03:51.55 | simonrvn | oooh fun |
| 03:52.06 | Azar | shorewall does not seem to work: Error: no interfaces defined ? |
| 03:52.08 | FieldySnuts | i'm not a web dev, so I don't know what css is |
| 03:52.11 | kingsley_ | Wyzard: Thanks for the tip on ntp. ntpq reports that my box's clock is now evidently within five milliseconds of the real time. |
| 03:52.17 | simonrvn | cascading style sheets |
| 03:52.19 | abrotman | !why is libreiserfs not in testing |
| 03:52.19 | FieldySnuts | (don't actually care, either) |
| 03:52.19 | dpkg | libreiserfs is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libreiserfs |
| 03:52.22 | bob2 | Azar: did you define an interface? ;) |
| 03:52.25 | Wyzard | kingsley_: cool :-) |
| 03:52.29 | bob2 | [bathat]: 13:52:20 dpkg | libreiserfs is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libreiserfs |
| 03:52.30 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: CSS, in small doses, is a good thing. The problem is that people use CSS to create labrynthine spaghetti code |
| 03:52.34 | Azar | bob2, honestly, no because I do not know how |
| 03:52.43 | bob2 | Azar: edit /etc/shorewall/interfaces |
| 03:52.51 | simonrvn | Azar: then fucking find out how already |
| 03:52.58 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: what makes web pages pretty :) |
| 03:53.02 | bob2 | Azar: note that by default shorewall has no config at all, so you need to copy it from /usr/share/doc/shorewall/examples/ to /etc/shorewall/, then hack it |
| 03:53.05 | Azar | there is no man shorewall |
| 03:53.16 | Azar | ah thanks |
| 03:53.24 | simonrvn | i use transitional, but only because i still use <table> for a few things |
| 03:53.25 | kreze1 | Azar: The shorewall website has a lot of good documentation |
| 03:53.42 | kreze1 | simonrvn: eeeeeeeeeew <table> is like so not hipster |
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| 03:53.53 | kreze1 | All the cool people use <div>s |
| 03:53.56 | Wyzard | Well, <table> is fine for tablular data. :-) |
| 03:54.09 | Wyzard | Just not for page layout |
| 03:54.15 | simonrvn | i'm not cool. i don't care. and i do use <div>s |
| 03:54.16 | Wyzard | Then again, CSS isn't that great for page layout either |
| 03:54.20 | kreze1 | Agreed. I just don't have a lot of tabluar data |
| 03:54.33 | kreze1 | CSS isn't great for page layout because nobody seems to render it right |
| 03:54.52 | Wyzard | kreze1: No, it's just not well-suited to describing layout |
| 03:54.52 | bob2 | hmm, gecko does ok |
| 03:54.55 | bob2 | for everything I've tried |
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| 03:55.03 | Milhouse | Does anyone know of a good/busy IT discussion board. ? |
| 03:55.07 | simonrvn | gecko does do it ok. khtml doesn't. i've done tests |
| 03:55.21 | Wyzard | kreze1: It's good for formatting (fonts, colors, spacing, etc.) but not so good for layout (visual positioning of blocks of content) |
| 03:55.23 | bucky | bob2 what are you using instead of <b> ? <em> or <strong> ? |
| 03:55.27 | simonrvn | though gecko fails on some css2 stuff. |
| 03:55.32 | kreze1 | True, CSS is only good for certain kinds of layouts |
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| 03:55.36 | cddesjar | cat: that didn't work |
| 03:55.46 | cddesjar | i am dumbfounded |
| 03:55.47 | bob2 | bucky: <span style="strong"></span> |
| 03:56.06 | kreze1 | for small stuff, like formatting lists, text, etc, its great. But for big high-level formatting such as laying out block-level elements on a page its quite awkward |
| 03:56.12 | resiak | bob2: Why is that better than <strong>? |
| 03:56.13 | simonrvn | style="strong" ? |
| 03:56.41 | simonrvn | you don't mean class="strong" ? |
| 03:56.42 | Wyzard | kreze1: For example, there's no way to put two divs properly next to each other... the best you can do is an approximation using a floated div |
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| 03:56.59 | bob2 | simonrvn: er, right |
| 03:57.07 | kreze1 | Welcome to #debian, where you can get all your web design questions answered AND get told to RTFM about your linux problems. |
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| 03:57.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:57.17 | bob2 | I've been using ReST to generate html lately |
| 03:57.33 | cddesjar | argh!!! |
| 03:57.40 | simonrvn | i use SSI a lot |
| 03:57.45 | kreze1 | Markdown is pretty sweet for simple stuff. I like being able to turn structured text files into HTML pretty quickly |
| 03:58.00 | kreze1 | That and my wiki addiction |
| 03:58.00 | bob2 | yeah, markdown looks nice |
| 03:58.06 | kreze1 | I'm wiki whore |
| 03:58.09 | bob2 | I wonder if there's a python module for it yet |
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| 03:58.15 | simonrvn | though it's a pita for local viewing... |
| 03:58.17 | kreze1 | I think there is |
| 03:58.28 | ugly | mmm pita |
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| 03:58.39 | ugly | wait |
| 03:58.57 | teste1 | vixi esse é geral |
| 03:59.02 | kreze1 | I set it up with some vim commands to parse it through the perl version of Markdown |
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| 04:00.34 | simonrvn | i'm somewhat averse to learning something else to generate html... takes me away from bare code |
| 04:00.45 | Azar | I am reading the firewall file but I cannot figure out what an interface is: a port? a process? |
| 04:00.47 | bob2 | yeah |
| 04:00.58 | bob2 | I think of it as a laziness increasing tool |
| 04:01.04 | Wyzard | Azar: Network interfaces are eth0, etc. |
| 04:01.06 | bob2 | also, I don't have a decent html editor |
| 04:01.16 | simonrvn | yeh... that's why another part of me says i should anyway |
| 04:01.16 | Azar | oh I see.. |
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| 04:01.37 | overflow | Hey, where can I download Sarge DVD ISo? |
| 04:01.52 | simonrvn | i use either vim or bluefish. i still use bluefish like i would vim though ;)\ |
| 04:01.57 | Wyzard | overflow: www.debian.org -- follow the "Getting Debian" link on the left side |
| 04:02.01 | kreze1 | simonrvn: Wiki and Markdown are only really good for handling stuff like bulleted lists and headers and low level text formatting anyway. Which is nice, because they're really good at that and I can then just wrap them with xhtml and junk |
| 04:02.06 | Azar | I do not know how to write that firewall rule, it has some kind of coding |
| 04:02.11 | simonrvn | oh sure |
| 04:02.13 | kreze1 | overflow: I'm sorry, we only answer web design and CSS questions here ;) jk |
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| 04:02.42 | simonrvn | i've seen some things like ht2html and such. they use m4 and other stuff |
| 04:02.47 | bob2 | yeah, exactly..I use ReST to write content, then other stuff to wrap it in templates |
| 04:02.59 | simonrvn | is rest in debian? |
| 04:03.13 | bob2 | python-docutils |
| 04:03.17 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:03.41 | kreze1 | I tend to base a lot of websites I design around PhpWiki. Once you hide away the login prompts and lock it down pretty tight it make sa really nice CMS |
| 04:03.49 | bob2 | hah |
| 04:03.52 | bucky | Azar, did you see that firewall rule Wyzard gave you? |
| 04:03.58 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:04.28 | simonrvn | i need to find a good cms. i'm leaning towards zope now. drupal is falling apart on me |
| 04:04.44 | bob2 | zope's more a cms toolkit than a cms itself |
| 04:04.46 | pipeline | Zope has its own problems :( |
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| 04:04.49 | Wyzard | simonrvn: I've looked at Zope... seems pretty cool, though I haven't actually used it yet |
| 04:04.51 | FieldySnuts | @hack PHP |
| 04:04.54 | FieldySnuts | hey. |
| 04:04.54 | kreze1 | Yeah zope is really hard to configure |
| 04:04.57 | simonrvn | pipeline: yeh, i know :| |
| 04:05.00 | bob2 | plone, built on top of zope, is a ready-to-use CMS |
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| 04:05.15 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 04:05.24 | kreze1 | The problem with a lot of those types of CMS is that they're only really good at doing one thing, for looking like zope or plone or drupal or whatever. |
| 04:05.34 | Phroziac | Where's the list of sources servers on the website? |
| 04:05.36 | bob2 | zope is easy to theme |
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| 04:05.43 | bob2 | and by easy, I mean "even I can do it" |
| 04:05.50 | kreze1 | I guess I just haven't spent enough time with it then |
| 04:06.17 | peterS | why isn't zope named zopy? |
| 04:06.19 | FieldySnuts | !be a zope configuration barbie |
| 04:06.20 | dpkg | Aww, zope configuration is hard! Let's go shopping, fieldysnuts |
| 04:06.31 | Wyzard | peterS: Z Object Publishing Environment |
| 04:06.34 | kreze1 | Instiki is neat but unfortunately you can't integrate it into Apache |
| 04:06.35 | peterS | yeah, I know |
| 04:06.36 | simonrvn | i'm just wondering if i should run the zope backend on another box than the main webserver |
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| 04:06.50 | bob2 | peterS: pyzopy |
| 04:06.53 | peterS | but most other python apps need to advertise the 'py' in some way |
| 04:06.57 | peterS | bob2: there we go |
| 04:06.58 | kreze1 | simonrvn: yeah you could probably then just mod_proxy it through another apache |
| 04:07.10 | kreze1 | simonrvn: thats how they did it when I was working for my university |
| 04:07.24 | simonrvn | i did it on the same box before. probably be easier having the 2 entities separate |
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| 04:07.38 | kreze1 | I think they did it for security |
| 04:07.39 | hejux | hi |
| 04:07.44 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 04:07.56 | hejux | i got a problem with sudo |
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| 04:08.16 | kreze1 | For a while they were just taking nightly static snapshots and publishing those via apache but they eventually took it dynamic |
| 04:08.18 | peterS | he don't live here no more |
| 04:08.25 | hejux | hejux@hejux:~$ sudo apt-get update |
| 04:08.25 | hejux | hejux is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 04:08.32 | DebianTUX | Hi. im having some troubles to configure MAILDIRPATH in courier-imap. can some one help-me? |
| 04:08.33 | FieldySnuts | man sudoers |
| 04:08.38 | simonrvn | uh, add that user to suoders... |
| 04:08.42 | simonrvn | sudo* |
| 04:08.42 | kreze1 | hejux: As root, run "visudo" and add yourself |
| 04:08.43 | muhoo | Wyzard: mwilson: hotplug doesn't help |
| 04:09.06 | hejux | how to add ? |
| 04:09.13 | Guerin | hejux: man sudoers |
| 04:09.13 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 04:09.19 | muhoo | i'm on sid. hotplug runs. i plug in the usb drive... same difference. "usb-storage: device scan complete" but no actual sda, etc is attached |
| 04:09.37 | peterS | muhoo: you need usb-storage *and* sd_mod |
| 04:09.41 | Guerin | muhoo: fdisk -l doesn't show it? |
| 04:09.45 | muhoo | i can tell hotplug is running becaue it reports from scsi.agent |
| 04:09.48 | kreze1 | hejux: man sudo |
| 04:09.54 | muhoo | peterS: both are loaded |
| 04:10.00 | peterS | muhoo: does it show up in /proc/scsi/scsi? |
| 04:10.09 | kreze1 | hejux: there are lots of differerent options, you should check them out |
| 04:10.10 | muhoo | Guerin: there is no such device as sda |
| 04:10.14 | Azar | I cant figure out how to configure the firewall |
| 04:10.18 | hejux | kreze1: tell me a simple way ok ? |
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| 04:10.42 | muhoo | hmm |
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| 04:10.52 | muhoo | peterS: it's there in /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 04:10.52 | Azar | debug nolock strange words |
| 04:10.54 | peterS | muhoo: also, is it in /proc/partitions? |
| 04:11.05 | hejux | i am not good at English so not understand it kreze1 |
| 04:11.05 | muhoo | but without any actual sda. just |
| 04:11.06 | kreze1 | krezel ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 04:11.18 | hejux | ok |
| 04:11.23 | muhoo | just shows vendor, type, rev, ansi scsi revision |
| 04:11.28 | Guerin | muhoo: just plain fdisk -l |
| 04:11.31 | kreze1 | except with your username, unless you want to give me an account on your box :) |
| 04:11.34 | [bathat] | libreiserfs has no dependencies so i would think it would be ok |
| 04:11.36 | peterS | muhoo: right, that's normal. is it in /proc/partitions? |
| 04:11.43 | muhoo | peterS: no sd in /proc/partition. just hd* |
| 04:11.54 | peterS | muhoo: yet you're sure sd_mod is loaded. this is odd. |
| 04:12.03 | Crell | Are you using udev? |
| 04:12.03 | resiak | !why is libreiserfs not in testing |
| 04:12.04 | dpkg | libreiserfs is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libreiserfs |
| 04:12.06 | resiak | [bathat]: ^^ |
| 04:12.21 | [bathat] | dpkg: thanks |
| 04:12.21 | dpkg | no problem <who> |
| 04:12.26 | muhoo | peterS: AHA! "module sd_mod not found" |
| 04:12.28 | muhoo | thanks |
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| 04:12.59 | muhoo | scsi_mod is loaded, but sd_mod is not, because, uh, well i probably because this machine doesn't have a scsi card ;-) |
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| 04:13.15 | muhoo | ok, time to build a new kernel with sd. thanks all! |
| 04:13.27 | [bathat] | oh, it has rc bugs |
| 04:13.36 | [bathat] | Grave functionality bugs |
| 04:13.56 | spiral-dive | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 04:14.08 | [bathat] | it messed up someone's root partition |
| 04:14.24 | resiak | [bathat]: Yes, I've read it. |
| 04:14.47 | [bathat] | i'll just wait until it's released to testing then |
| 04:14.50 | [bathat] | however long that may be |
| 04:14.56 | hejux | kreze1 do it as you said .users needn't a root password |
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| 04:15.01 | resiak | [bathat]: To be honest, I'd recommend not using ReiserFS. |
| 04:15.02 | [bathat] | it's not crucial at all that i have qtparted installed right now |
| 04:15.15 | [bathat] | well, for some reason it is required for qtparted |
| 04:15.38 | kreze1 | hejux: if you add yourself like I just showed you, you'll have to enter your user password instead of the root password |
| 04:15.44 | [bathat] | reiserfs is not my filesystem anyway |
| 04:15.51 | resiak | kreze1: Is that to be considered in any way secure? |
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| 04:16.36 | kreze1 | resiak: Of course not. You should only be giving sudo access to people you trust anyway |
| 04:17.01 | kreze1 | resiak: And I only do that for my user on my laptop and desktop, machines I have locked down and can control. |
| 04:17.15 | resiak | kreze1: Because you just elevated that person's user's password to the level of their root password. Now someone need only crack one password to ssh in and become root. |
| 04:17.16 | hejux | kreze1; no i needn't , i just tried |
| 04:17.16 | hejux | needn't any password |
| 04:17.23 | peterS | so, if my DVDROM drive can't read a standard single-layer video DVD (status is 'nodisc'), that is not likely a kernel problem, right? something with the drive? |
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| 04:17.36 | nono31 | hi guys. |
| 04:18.00 | Guerin | kreze1: and what's worse, you gave that power to hejux, who's an utterly incompetent drooling moron of the worst kind. |
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| 04:18.22 | nono31 | http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ unstable/non-US main contrib non-free is not valid anymore... what's the replacement for unstable for non-us? slink ? |
| 04:18.31 | xaphod | does sarge's installer have support for lvm2-on-root? |
| 04:18.35 | kreze1 | I apologize and will ask hejux to not do what I told him to do |
| 04:18.35 | cat | nono31: debian.org/news |
| 04:18.35 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.35 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.35 | resiak | Guerin: You can't talk. :) |
| 04:18.41 | TwistedEmotions | Did I do that right ? |
| 04:18.52 | bob2 | nono31: non-US is dead and buried |
| 04:18.57 | Guerin | resiak: I run that on a box behind my NAT :) |
| 04:18.58 | resiak | kreze1: No, that's alright, you should just have explained what exactly you were doing. |
| 04:19.05 | resiak | Guerin: That's fair enough. |
| 04:19.08 | TwistedEmotions | I am trying to add on that vga shit to the append line... I added the append line... it didnt exist before.. |
| 04:19.19 | peterS | xaphod: I think it does, but lvm on root is kind of dicey at the best of times |
| 04:19.27 | nono31 | bob2: so all package are available in the main branck? |
| 04:19.32 | nono31 | /s/k/h |
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| 04:19.37 | kreze1 | resiak: Its still better than my foolish gentoo-running friends that have PASSWORDLESS sudo set up for their unpriviledged user |
| 04:19.41 | peterS | xaphod: raid1 on root is sensible enough, and well supported |
| 04:19.42 | resiak | !topicsmite nono31 |
| 04:19.43 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon nono31. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:19.48 | resiak | kreze1: Hahah. |
| 04:19.48 | TwistedEmotions | do I need the put the "vga=0x317" in quotes or no? |
| 04:19.49 | Milhouse | Does anyone know of a good/busy IT discussion board. ? |
| 04:19.54 | bob2 | nono31: yes, or been thrown out of Debian entirely |
| 04:19.58 | resiak | Milhouse: Slashdot! \o/ |
| 04:20.06 | xaphod | peterS: i'm looking to be able to backup a live system using lvm snapshots |
| 04:20.07 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: no |
| 04:20.12 | xaphod | ... and i want a complete snapshot |
| 04:20.14 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: kk thanks. |
| 04:20.15 | Milhouse | slashdot isn't really a discussion forum though |
| 04:20.19 | Wyzard | xaphod: IMO, it's best to use a plain partition for your Debian installation, and LVM for the rest of the disk(s) |
| 04:20.32 | cthulfuego | it's more like a Troll Stack |
| 04:20.38 | Guerin | Milhouse: it's like bukkake without women |
| 04:20.40 | peterS | xaphod: I understand your sentiment. Linux, unfortunately, isn't AIX. everything-on-lvm is still a bit shaky |
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| 04:20.40 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 04:20.41 | resiak | cthulfuego: Notice the "\o/". |
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| 04:20.57 | xaphod | wyzard: and if Debian is running your email server (postfix) and your web-server (apache1) and ... etc, and you want to back it ALL up reliably, live, .... ? |
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| 04:21.09 | SDFH_Linux | what is the the new testing called? |
| 04:21.11 | cthulfuego | resiak: That's even odder than using an interrobang. |
| 04:21.16 | peterS | SDFH_Linux: etch |
| 04:21.19 | resiak | cthulfuego: ‽ |
| 04:21.21 | Wyzard | xaphod: Put the data that actually changes during normal operation on LVM volumes |
| 04:21.26 | Milhouse | guerin :) |
| 04:21.32 | Wyzard | xaphod: The root filesystem probably doesn't change very often though |
| 04:21.43 | peterS | Wyzard: the root filesystem includes /etc, so yes, it might |
| 04:21.48 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 04:22.02 | xaphod | exactly. In my mind it's lvm2-on-root or no lvm at all. Sarge's installer supports it? |
| 04:22.17 | xaphod | (I realize i'm using initrd images for the rest of my life if i go this route) |
| 04:22.24 | pipeline | xaphod: Yes, but no. |
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| 04:22.29 | peterS | xaphod: I'm not sure if sarge's installer supports it. sarge's installer supports raid on root. and lvm2. but possibly not lvm2 on root. |
| 04:22.43 | pipeline | xaphod: Yes, it's easy to set up root-on-LVM-on-raid, but no, it's very hard to adapt an existing system to root-on-lvm. |
| 04:22.49 | pipeline | xaphod: So if you're doing a fresh install, it's easy as pie. |
| 04:22.50 | cthulfuego | peterS: it does poo with lvm on sw raid5 |
| 04:22.54 | cddesjar | does anyone know if i need to add something to my fstab file if i am going to add a usb printer? |
| 04:23.04 | hejux | i think i'd search google for sudo usage |
| 04:23.07 | Guerin | cddesjar: you don't. |
| 04:23.15 | peterS | xaphod: you're using initrd *anyway* if you use debian kernels, since they aren't compiled with every last IDE and SCSI driver in them |
| 04:23.29 | cddesjar | guerin |
| 04:23.33 | cddesjar | whoops |
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| 04:23.43 | Wyzard | peterS: Root-on-LVM might need a custom initrd though... I dunno whether the standard initrds (from mkinitrd) support that |
| 04:23.46 | cddesjar | well i can't get my printer to work and i am not quite sure why |
| 04:23.52 | cddesjar | i have set it up using cups |
| 04:23.53 | peterS | Wyzard: right |
| 04:23.57 | kreze1 | xaphod: Trying to get LVM set up with initrd? |
| 04:23.59 | cddesjar | i got it to work fine with slackware |
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| 04:24.23 | Wyzard | cddesjar: Then look at your slackware CUPS config and duplicate it in Debian |
| 04:24.26 | xaphod | peterS/wyzard/pipeline/kreze1: yeah basically I have an existing Sarge machine that I want to make LVM... |
| 04:24.34 | xaphod | which I realize is going to be v. hard |
| 04:24.38 | kreze1 | xaphod: Custom kernel or debian kernel? |
| 04:24.42 | cddesjar | i don't have slackware anymore :( |
| 04:24.47 | cddesjar | so i can't |
| 04:25.11 | cddesjar | but i remember having something about usbfs in my fstab |
| 04:25.16 | cddesjar | or usbdevfs something like that |
| 04:25.20 | Wyzard | xaphod: Converting the filesystem to use LVM is no worse than any other major repartitioning task... your main concern should be how to get an initrd that'll successfully boot it |
| 04:25.20 | peterS | xaphod: 'man mkinitrd' mentions lvm2. presumably that means it does support root on lvm2 |
| 04:25.41 | xaphod | currently using a custom kernel. No patches to it though, so i'm hoping I can use a Debian kernel |
| 04:26.09 | kreze1 | xaphod: I've done it if you're looking for help. Custom 2.6.11.10 kernel, LVM2 using a small /boot partition and initrd |
| 04:26.13 | Wyzard | hmm, that's interesting |
| 04:26.15 | xaphod | I have pretty weird hardware though: 2 CPU HP Netserver LP1000R; SCSI+IDE HDs, etc |
| 04:26.17 | peterS | xaphod: it doesn't go into detail, but that does seem encouraging, as far as lvm2+root-in-sarge-installer goes |
| 04:26.23 | pipeline | xaphod: Yes, it's going to be extremely difficult. Prayers with you. Don't use the installer to do it. |
| 04:26.27 | Wyzard | I'll have to try a root-on-LVM sometime, just to see whether it works with standard initrds |
| 04:26.29 | pipeline | xaphod: You'll have to fool around with /etc/mkinitrd.conf |
| 04:26.35 | xaphod | hahaha *don't* use the installer?! :P |
| 04:26.39 | laopa | when is X.org ready to replace XFree86? |
| 04:26.48 | pipeline | Wyzard: For some value of standard -- there's no standardized way to make an initrd. Debian initrds are different from redhat are different from suse. |
| 04:26.48 | cthulfuego | !lart laopa |
| 04:26.54 | Wyzard | xaphod: Well, isn't the system already installed? |
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| 04:27.01 | peterS | !topicsmite laopa |
| 04:27.02 | Wyzard | pipeline: Well, by "standard" I mean mkinitrd |
| 04:27.02 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon laopa. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:27.07 | xaphod | kreze1: thanks for the offer, i'll definitely take you up on that... Did you take an existing system and make it LVM, or a fresh install? |
| 04:27.08 | kreze1 | xaphod: in /usr/share/doc/lvm2/examples you'll find "lvm2create_initrd" that you'll need to used to make a initrd for your custom kernel |
| 04:27.10 | TwistedLappy | Guerin: Weee... ty... splashy works ;) |
| 04:27.10 | cddesjar | do i need some sort of usb printing package? |
| 04:27.17 | kreze1 | xaphod: fresh install |
| 04:27.31 | laopa | what's all the shit about? |
| 04:27.44 | kreze1 | xaphod: I set up my LVM using d-i and a 2.4 kernel, and then converted it to LVM2 and a custom 2.6 kernel |
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| 04:28.41 | xaphod | i guess my main question is, how do I get my root on LVM, on this existing machine? I have all the auxilary facilities one could need (other computers, space to backup/restore to/from,e tc) |
| 04:28.58 | cddesjar | would i need usbutils? |
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| 04:29.08 | yoshio_ | cddesjar: when I was using knoppix, it had uusbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 in /etc/fstab, but I am using testing-etch now, don't have it in that file |
| 04:29.11 | sanxiyn | cddesjar: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:29.20 | laopa | cthulfuego, peterS, it is a valid q about debian. Sometimes back Debian decides not to supporting XFree86. |
| 04:29.27 | kreze1 | xaphod: really your best bet is probably to just do a fresh install to a LVM2 root partition |
| 04:29.28 | Wyzard | xaphod: Boot Knoppix or something, move everything off that drive, delete the partitions and make a new single big partition for LVM, set up LVM and create logical volumes, move the data back |
| 04:29.34 | cddesjar | add a dell a920 printer to my computer? |
| 04:29.34 | yoshio_ | cddesjar: you can try mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb but I don't think that's the problem |
| 04:29.35 | peterS | laopa: it's also in the /topic |
| 04:29.38 | Guerin | if mii-tool fails with SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported, what can I use to get details about what speed my nic is connected at, etc? |
| 04:29.39 | myren | how can i check if linux has recognized my second CPU? |
| 04:29.47 | Wyzard | myren: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:29.48 | sanxiyn | laopa: Yes. Debian was the first to say against new XFree86 license. |
| 04:29.56 | kreze1 | xaphod: the debian-installer stuff for LVM2 is actually pretty nice |
| 04:30.03 | myren | sweet deal, thanks Wyzard |
| 04:30.06 | laopa | ok, my apology. |
| 04:30.11 | cddesjar | it says already mounted |
| 04:30.14 | yoshio_ | cddesjar: I also have "usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0" in my notes, don't know where it came from originally |
| 04:30.15 | myren | they have different bogomips.... weird |
| 04:30.23 | cddesjar | ok |
| 04:30.58 | cddesjar | i'll try and reboot |
| 04:31.00 | cthulfuego | myren: Do do my SMP cpus, that's normal afaik,. |
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| 04:31.31 | SDFH_Linux | there are no unstable servers anymore |
| 04:31.38 | xaphod | kreze1: but to use the debian-installer i'd have to reinstall the whole machine, tons and tons of work |
| 04:31.42 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: What are you talking about? |
| 04:31.47 | xaphod | i think i'll try the knoppix/manual method ;P |
| 04:31.53 | SDFH_Linux | can anyone send me there apt sources list i got mine all messed up |
| 04:31.58 | Wyzard | xaphod: I've done similar things several times myself |
| 04:32.02 | kreze1 | xaphod: True |
| 04:32.08 | cthulfuego | Guerin: 'dmesg' if you're lucky. |
| 04:32.24 | kreze1 | xaphod: but for a custom kernel make sure you use lvm2create_initrd |
| 04:32.32 | kreze1 | otherwise you'll go insane |
| 04:32.37 | xaphod | hehehe shall do. What package is that in? |
| 04:32.41 | JeffH | Does anyone know how to configure amavis to rewrite a subject line when the scanned e-mail is found to be infected? |
| 04:32.43 | kreze1 | lvm2 |
| 04:32.49 | laopa | ok, i have read the msg, doesn't sound very promising, the time it will be available. |
| 04:32.59 | kreze1 | In /usr/share/doc/lvm2/examples |
| 04:33.06 | SDFH_Linux | anyone? |
| 04:33.31 | xaphod | gotcha |
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| 04:33.41 | Wyzard | xaphod: Personally, before using lvm2create_initrd, I'd investigate whether mkinitrd is capable of producing initrds with the necessary functionality |
| 04:33.49 | Guerin | cthulfuego: nope. It's a usb nic, says it's 10/100, but my laptop only has usb1.1 ... |
| 04:34.03 | xaphod | i'm not too worried: i'll use debian stock kernels if mkinitrd can't do it |
| 04:34.08 | cthulfuego | Guerin: 900kb/sec it is, then. |
| 04:34.08 | llama32 | is there anything i can do when even kill -9 wont kill something? -9 is the one right? |
| 04:34.23 | sanxiyn | llama32: It should kill. Nothing can avoid that. |
| 04:34.32 | Guerin | cthulfuego: yeah, I'm just curious as to what it THINKS it is. |
| 04:34.43 | spdf | Guerin, It likely thinks its 100 |
| 04:34.47 | Wyzard | xaphod: Using a stock kernel or not shouldn't really matter, as long as it has LVM support |
| 04:34.53 | yoshio_ | cddesjar: some info at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29374.html |
| 04:35.00 | spdf | Guerin, Assuming it negotiates for the best link possible.. |
| 04:35.04 | Guerin | spdf: well, the 100 light is on. |
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| 04:35.06 | JeffH | Guerin: do you know how I'd have postfix/amavis/clamav rewrite a subject line when the message is infected? I want to prepend [INFECTED] |
| 04:35.09 | llama32 | sanxiyn: top tells me that find is eating up all my CPU. its running as a normal user, and kill -9 wont kill it, it still apears in top |
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| 04:35.26 | Master-Yoda | night |
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| 04:35.35 | sanxiyn | llama32: Is it same find you killed? |
| 04:36.08 | llama32 | sanxiyn: yep |
| 04:36.25 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: #deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ sarge main contrib |
| 04:36.27 | yoshio_ | #deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ sarge main contrib |
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| 04:36.35 | Guerin | JeffH: iirc amavis's default behavior is to quarantine the message and send a replacement from postmaster saying "This message was infected, you can't have it. If it's really really fucking important, beg your postmaster to give you a fixed copy." |
| 04:36.52 | yoshio_ | #deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib |
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| 04:37.07 | Guerin | JeffH: under no circumstances should you be relaying virus-infected messages to your users. |
| 04:37.15 | laopa | i haven't got any response fr folks in /irc.gimp.org. would a q on gimp offend anyone here? |
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| 04:37.48 | spdf | laopa, That sort of depends on the nature of the question.. |
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| 04:38.06 | JeffH | if I just deny them does the user still get some sort of notice? |
| 04:38.07 | Crell | laopa: Yes, I would be horribly offended if you were to so much mention The GIMP in this channel, and would never ever forgive you. |
| 04:38.10 | SDFH_Linux | is that the new security server yoshio? |
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| 04:38.48 | Guerin | JeffH: yes, that's the point of the message I described above. |
| 04:38.54 | laopa | i know how to place a gif frame as a layer on top of a jpg. but how to make that gif frame take on the background of the jpg? |
| 04:39.12 | Guerin | JeffH: i'd also add infected ip addresses to a short-term smtp blacklist, but that's just me. |
| 04:39.16 | rixth | Does anyone know the name of the package that gives you a gui to setup SMB shares? I couldn't find it in apt-cache search. |
| 04:39.20 | Crell | laopa: Er, huh? |
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| 04:39.28 | Guerin | rixth: swat |
| 04:39.35 | Crell | You can't put two different layers in different color modes, can you? |
| 04:39.40 | JeffH | Guerin: that's a good idea.. I'll have to figure out how to do that. |
| 04:39.51 | rixth | Thanks Guerin |
| 04:39.59 | Guerin | JeffH: for inspiration, look at acme.com/mail_filters |
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| 04:40.24 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: that's the corrected line (testing needed to be changed to sarge) |
| 04:40.25 | SDFH_Linux | unstable server still working? |
| 04:40.26 | Guerin | JeffH: read that from cover to cover to see how this guy deals with 1,000,000 spams per day |
| 04:40.33 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:40.44 | simonrvn | blah |
| 04:40.46 | JeffH | will do. |
| 04:40.59 | Crell | Just how unstable is sid these days? My desktop runs sid, so I'm very wary of upgrading anything. :-) |
| 04:41.06 | Guerin | !topicbadger Crell |
| 04:41.07 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that Crell didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 04:41.22 | laopa | Crell, you definitely can place a gif frame as a layer on top of a jpg, i don't know about ur color problem. |
| 04:41.22 | Crell | "literally unstable" means what, exactly? |
| 04:41.27 | Crell | That's my point. |
| 04:41.39 | yoshio_ | rixth: LinNeighborhood or xsmbrowser ? |
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| 04:41.49 | Crell | And cute bot command. :-) |
| 04:41.52 | Wyzard | Crell: GNOME is in transition from 2.8 to 2.10 these past few days, and dist-upgrades can cause important GNOME packages to be uninstalled |
| 04:41.52 | sanxiyn | Crell: It means, random packages may not install due to broken dependency, random package may malfunction. |
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| 04:41.57 | SDFH_Linux | yoshio can you send me your sources.list? |
| 04:42.03 | Guerin | Crell: prone to change and subsequent breakage. Unlike the last 6 months, when it's been relatively nice. |
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| 04:42.07 | Wyzard | Crell: That's the only problem I've seen |
| 04:42.14 | laopa | Crell commit the same sin as i did earlier on. |
| 04:42.24 | Crell | What sin is that, laopa? :-) |
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| 04:42.38 | laopa | never read the topic. |
| 04:42.46 | Guerin | seems he DID read it |
| 04:42.49 | Crell | I read it, I just asked for clarification. :-) |
| 04:42.52 | Guerin | just didn't understand it |
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| 04:43.00 | yoshio_ | SDFH_Linux: deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ sarge main contrib -- deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ sarge main contrib -- deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib |
| 04:43.05 | Azar | from the release notes I am trying to do : Don't forget to mount all needed partitions (notably the root and /usr partitions) read-write, with a command like: # mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint -- but it asks me to specify the filesystem type , how do I do that? |
| 04:43.07 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 04:43.21 | Azar | preparing for the upgrade to Sarge |
| 04:43.22 | laopa | that is worse than not reading it. |
| 04:43.28 | sanxiyn | Azar: mount -t <type> |
| 04:43.30 | Crell | Basically it's a question of whether I just need to be more careful than usual, or just not do an upgrade for a few weeks. |
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| 04:43.52 | Azar | oh thanks sanxiyn |
| 04:43.54 | sanxiyn | Crell: Depends on your get-out-of-broken-sid skill. |
| 04:43.56 | yoshio_ | Azar: mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/partition1 |
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| 04:44.37 | Crell | sanxiyn: Fair to moderate. Not expert. I'm already running the KDE 3.4-pre packages, and so far nothing has died horribly. |
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| 04:44.48 | SDFH_Linux | ok i am using that now yoshio thanks |
| 04:44.52 | gteppel | I'm trying to install Debian Sarge using a netinst cd however once I boot into my system and try to apt-get something or dpkg-reconfigure something I get a bunch of "perl: warning: setting locale failed" errors, what is happening? |
| 04:45.01 | Azar | thanks yoshio |
| 04:45.16 | Azar | what that does? |
| 04:45.34 | sanxiyn | Azar: The command mounts partition. |
| 04:45.58 | sanxiyn | Crell: Well, wait a few days. |
| 04:46.07 | yoshio_ | gteppel: what does /usr/bin/locale show? |
| 04:46.09 | SDFH_Linux | is there a good site with deb servers for other programs? |
| 04:46.30 | bob2 | SDFH_Linux: what do you want that isn't in Debian? |
| 04:46.33 | gteppel | yoshio_: one second.... let me check |
| 04:46.37 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: apt-get.org lists sources with unofficial packages |
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| 04:46.48 | Crell | sanxiyn: OK. Is Sid's broken status regularly reported on one of the many mailing lists that I'm not on yet? :-) |
| 04:46.48 | gteppel | en_US |
| 04:47.27 | sanxiyn | Crell: I am not aware of any report. |
| 04:47.30 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 04:47.30 | rixth | Guerin, what do I do with SWAT? I keep getting connection refused when I try and goto loalhost:901 |
| 04:47.51 | yoshio_ | gteppel: I have POSIX in quotes for everything, except for LANG=POSIX not in quotes, and LC_ALL= is blank |
| 04:48.01 | kjparker | hi, is there a better driver I should be using for my gf2 mx than the generic nv driver? |
| 04:48.05 | gteppel | hmm... okay |
| 04:48.08 | Crell | sanxiyn: I see. So how do I determine when it's safe to apt-get upgrade my sid box again, other than harassing people in this channel every few days? (I presume you'd prefer I didn't...) |
| 04:48.20 | kjparker | it works, and gives me the desired resolution, but at a lousy colour depth |
| 04:48.23 | Wyzard | kjparker: You could try nvidia's closed-source driver |
| 04:48.29 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.31 | Crell | kjparker: Nvidia's binary driver is far more featured, but non-free. |
| 04:48.31 | kjparker | i heard that was bad? |
| 04:48.47 | sanxiyn | Crell: Harass people in this channel every few days. :-) |
| 04:48.47 | liable | rixth: its in xinetd.conf? |
| 04:48.51 | kjparker | as in did bad things to your system... |
| 04:49.05 | hejux | debian spend 430MB of my 512MB ramï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ |
| 04:49.06 | rixth | If it was a deb, shouldn't it have been added automatically? |
| 04:49.07 | xaphod | kreze1/wyzard: seems like knoppix (3.8) doesn't have lvm support?! |
| 04:49.11 | Crell | kjparker: Not in my experience. Sometimes breaks itself and requires repair, but it doesn't break anything else. |
| 04:49.12 | bob2 | Crell: apt-list-bugs is handy |
| 04:49.19 | Wyzard | Crell: For conflicts due to transitions, like the current GNOME situation, just check whether apt-get wants to remove important packages when you upgrade, and don't proceed if it does |
| 04:49.21 | Crell | sanxiyn: Right. :-) |
| 04:49.25 | sanxiyn | hejux: How do you measure your memory usage |
| 04:49.25 | Wyzard | Crell: For bugginess, try apt-listbugs |
| 04:49.30 | liable | rixth: no, you would have seen during config, that it added to inetd |
| 04:49.37 | liable | rixth: you use xinetd? |
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| 04:49.41 | Wyzard | xaphod: Argh, I forgot about that, and just last night I ran into that problem myself |
| 04:49.44 | kjparker | ok, will try it... cause 1280x1024 at 256 colours blows! :) |
| 04:49.48 | rixth | liable, I use whatever Etch uses. |
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| 04:50.06 | Wyzard | xaphod: I worked around it by using the Ubuntu install CD instead... a Sarge CD should work equally well |
| 04:50.09 | hejux | 58 process |
| 04:50.11 | xaphod | hmmm |
| 04:50.12 | liable | rixth: netstat -pantu do you see xinetd running |
| 04:50.16 | Crell | kjparker: Be sure to do it the Debian Way instead of using nvidia's binary directly. |
| 04:50.16 | Wyzard | xaphod: That doesn't have as many nice tools as Knoppix, though, like netcat |
| 04:50.23 | Crell | msg dpkg nvidia |
| 04:50.30 | kjparker | crell: is there a howto somewhere? |
| 04:50.35 | hejux | sanxiyn： KDE system gurde |
| 04:50.36 | rixth | Nope, only inetd |
| 04:50.38 | Wyzard | xaphod: You could also try Gentoo's install CD... I know that has netcat and other useful tools, and it might support LVM |
| 04:50.48 | liable | rixth: on port 901? |
| 04:51.03 | Crell | kjparker: Yes. /msg dpkg nvidia. I forget which factoid it is, but that one will suggest another if it's wrong. :-) |
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| 04:51.14 | xaphod | damn. that sucks. Cuz i'll need all sorts of weird support (it's a weird machine), plus samba/smbfs, plus tons. damn! |
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| 04:51.25 | spdf | !tell kjparker about nvidia one-liner |
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| 04:51.48 | liable | rixth: apparently xinetd is supposed to be more secure, so you might want to install it. |
| 04:51.50 | rixth | 899/inetd |
| 04:51.50 | rixth | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 4 |
| 04:51.58 | rixth | apt-get install xientd? |
| 04:52.00 | Wyzard | xaphod: You're using samba as your backup destination? |
| 04:52.03 | kjparker | spdf: wow what a mouthfull |
| 04:52.05 | kjparker | :) |
| 04:52.10 | spdf | kjparker, its a bit :) |
| 04:52.13 | yoshio_ | gteppel: you can try dpkg-reconfigure locale , not sure if that would help |
| 04:52.22 | xaphod | wyzard: yeah the only machine with an HD as big as the one i'm converting to LVM is on a live windows machine :D |
| 04:52.31 | Wyzard | xaphod: For large transfers over a network, I use tar and netcat... it's the fastest option since it has no overhead of any protocol besides raw TCP |
| 04:52.37 | kjparker | spdy, is that in addition to the nvidia driver or in place of? |
| 04:52.38 | Wyzard | xaphod: ah, ok |
| 04:52.41 | liable | rixth: then go here http://groups.northwestern.edu/exec/htmldocs/swat.8.html |
| 04:52.48 | kjparker | spdf rather |
| 04:52.52 | xaphod | wyzard: time is the one thing I *do* have. :P |
| 04:53.11 | Wyzard | xaphod: Well, try the Gentoo CD and see if it supports Samba, I guess |
| 04:53.17 | gteppel | yoshio_: I'll give that a try |
| 04:53.17 | spdf | kjparker, from what I understand that is the easiest way to go about installing the drivers.. |
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| 04:53.35 | Wyzard | xaphod: Or install another hard drive in the system, temporarily, and put another copy of Debian on it |
| 04:53.35 | xaphod | and trust that it doesn't choke on my weird ServerWorks OSB/CSB4 chipset when so many other install CDs have? hmmm :( |
| 04:53.48 | xaphod | wyzard: ah, that second one, i've already done that |
| 04:53.56 | xaphod | i already have a partition with linux on another spare HD |
| 04:54.05 | xaphod | so yeah i should boot up in that, do it all there. duh! |
| 04:54.14 | Wyzard | xaphod: Oh, well, just use that rather than a bootable CD |
| 04:54.18 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:54.23 | JeffH | Anyone know if there is a way to configure Amavis to reject spam, but send a daily report of the spam blocked? |
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| 04:54.25 | xaphod | i'll have to remake the backup partition's kernel though, it doesn't know lvm |
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| 04:56.20 | calyth | quick question, does the last 3.0 revision or 3.1 install disk can do soft-raid on install? |
| 04:56.37 | Wyzard | calyth: 3.1 (sarge) can |
| 04:56.50 | rixth | Should I remove inetd now that I use xinetd? |
| 04:56.56 | liable | no |
| 04:56.58 | Wyzard | calyth: Others here have recently said it supports root-on-RAID, too, though I haven't done it myself |
| 04:56.58 | calyth | Wyzard: thanks |
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| 04:57.38 | rixth | liable, okay |
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| 04:58.06 | hacim | anyone know why specifying the keyfile with -i to ssh causes it to ask for the passphrase (even though it is empty), but not specifying it doesn't ask for it and just logs me in? |
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| 04:58.30 | Wyzard | hacim: Do you have the key loaded in an ssh-agent? |
| 04:58.34 | karsten | hacim: ssh-agent. |
| 04:59.43 | hacim | Wyzard: ah, nevermind, I was specifying the .pub to ssh -i when I need to specify the identity file |
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| 05:00.24 | nemostultae | I've donte apt-get update, and then I did apt-get install php4_mysql, but apt can't find the package. http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/php4-mysql |
| 05:00.48 | Wyzard | nemostultae: It's "php4-mysql", not "php4_mysql" |
| 05:00.53 | nemostultae | omg |
| 05:00.54 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 05:01.02 | nemostultae | doh |
| 05:01.06 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 05:01.07 | Crell | :-) |
| 05:01.08 | nemostultae | sorry |
| 05:01.18 | nemostultae | its late >< |
| 05:01.37 | Azar | Wyzard I could not activate the firewall, I am just sitting on good or bad luck |
| 05:01.57 | Crell | Sleep deprived is the best way to do major system administration. |
| 05:02.16 | Wyzard | Azar: As an alternative, you could just stop any listening services, such as ssh or whatever |
| 05:02.30 | sanxiyn | How old is doh |
| 05:02.53 | Azar | in sshd_conf? |
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| 05:03.01 | rixth | liable, I still can't get it working. |
| 05:03.08 | Wyzard | Azar: No, I mean just stop the service |
| 05:03.13 | Wyzard | Azar: For ssh, /etc/init.d/sshd stop |
| 05:03.17 | liable | rixth: does it show up in netstat now? |
| 05:03.24 | Wyzard | Azar: Check what else is running though |
| 05:03.34 | Azar | ok after I finish the upgrade download I will do that |
| 05:03.41 | davem_ | Is gnome broken in unstable? |
| 05:03.43 | Azar | 340 files |
| 05:03.45 | rixth | liable, do I want toi be looking for swat or xinetd? |
| 05:03.47 | sanxiyn | davem_: Yes. |
| 05:03.50 | sanxiyn | (ATM) |
| 05:03.56 | liable | rixth: xinetd 901 |
| 05:04.03 | Wyzard | Azar: Umm, the idea was to not connect to the network until after your machine has been firewalled (or alternatively, all services stopped) |
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| 05:04.08 | Azar | removed the telnet tho |
| 05:04.11 | rixth | What was the command? netstart -..... |
| 05:04.11 | Wyzard | Azar: Otherwise you could get attacked while you're upgrading |
| 05:04.12 | davem_ | sanxiyn: thanks :) |
| 05:04.16 | rixth | netstat* |
| 05:04.21 | jkretz | hey all |
| 05:04.28 | Azar | the firewall version in woody is outdated, I needed the upgrade |
| 05:04.31 | liable | rixth: netstat -pantu |
| 05:04.40 | jkretz | i don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask questions or not |
| 05:04.46 | Wyzard | Azar: So you stop services before upgrading |
| 05:04.51 | jkretz | but i'm having some issues w/ a network using dhcpd |
| 05:05.04 | Azar | can I stop and still apt-get ? |
| 05:05.07 | Wyzard | Azar: Anyway, just hope you didn't get rooted while running unfirewalled during your upgrade |
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| 05:05.17 | Azar | I hope too |
| 05:05.24 | Wyzard | Azar: It'd help if you knew how the attacker got in last time |
| 05:05.36 | rixth | liable, nope |
| 05:05.52 | liable | rixth: did you follow that url I gave you? |
| 05:05.56 | yoshio_ | Azar: put "ALL : ALL" in /etc/hosts.deny at least, it only helps a little for tcp_wrapped programs |
| 05:05.58 | jkretz | from the box handing out addresses (192.168.1.1) i can ping a box that has got an address (192.168.1.11) |
| 05:05.59 | Azar | the only way I could check was through iptraf, then iptraf was gone.. |
| 05:06.08 | jkretz | but from 192.168.1.11 i can't hit 192.168.1.1 |
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| 05:06.12 | Azar | then I seen 992 open with telnets |
| 05:06.14 | jkretz | any ideas? |
| 05:06.20 | rixth | liable, yes, |
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| 05:06.35 | rixth | you seen? |
| 05:06.39 | Azar | then when I reboot system crashed at missing GNU files |
| 05:06.45 | Wyzard | Azar: Did you look through your logfiles to see if there was anything there? |
| 05:06.51 | liable | rixth: try just adding that bit to the xinetd.conf, before the include bit. |
| 05:07.06 | Azar | two ips that were hammering |
| 05:07.11 | Azar | scans |
| 05:07.17 | Azar | trying to get root access |
| 05:07.22 | Azar | I guess one did |
| 05:07.29 | liable | Azar: did you at least report them? |
| 05:07.39 | Azar | liable, no I do not know how |
| 05:07.48 | Wyzard | liable: They're probably zombie boxes themselves anyway |
| 05:07.55 | llama32 | anyone know of a tiny java bytecode interpreter with source? tiny, no JIT or 100% compatibility required |
| 05:07.55 | Azar | I bet |
| 05:07.56 | rixth | Could you post the URL again please, I closed xchat. |
| 05:08.00 | Azar | useless to report |
| 05:08.03 | liable | Azar: whois the ip, then send the admin a complaint with your logs |
| 05:08.07 | sanxiyn | llama32: jamvm is quite small. |
| 05:08.16 | Wyzard | Azar: Well, if you report them to their ISP, the ISP can disconnect them until the owner cleans them up |
| 05:08.17 | Azar | china? huh |
| 05:08.23 | nvz | well I think me and sarge are parting ways soon.. this is just bs :P |
| 05:08.25 | yoshio_ | Azar: i've commented out everything in my /etc/inetd.conf, then kill -1 1 to make it re-read its config file |
| 05:08.29 | Azar | I doubt china ISP would do much |
| 05:08.39 | rixth | Azar, I agree/ |
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| 05:08.44 | llama32 | thanks sanxiyn |
| 05:08.52 | rixth | Maybe a little torture, bet hey. |
| 05:08.57 | rixth | but* |
| 05:08.57 | sanxiyn | llama32: Also, JamVM is very complete. :-) Full JNI, Reflection, for example. |
| 05:09.06 | stouset | nvz: What's wrong with it? |
| 05:09.12 | Azar | yoshio_ I reinstalled doing the upgrade now |
| 05:09.13 | sanxiyn | (Still <100k binary on Intel.) |
| 05:09.21 | Wyzard | hehe... and just the other day hejux said something along the lines of "we individual users here in China don't care much about security" when I told him to install a firewall |
| 05:09.37 | Wyzard | I don't understand that attitude |
| 05:09.51 | liable | rixth: http://groups.northwestern.edu/exec/htmldocs/swat.8.html |
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| 05:10.20 | liable | rixth: can address me if you are asking me, as I miss half of it. |
| 05:10.25 | nvz | stouset: well nothing other than its a sorry excuse for a stable os. the fonts are really getting on my nerves, all fonts in X change size at random, they keep getting smaller and smaller |
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| 05:10.48 | sanxiyn | nvz: Tweak fontconfig to death. |
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| 05:11.09 | rixth | Okay, I have the 'service swat...' biut it /etc/xient.d/swat |
| 05:11.26 | liable | rixth: restart xinetd |
| 05:11.27 | xaphod | wyzard: if i succed, and have lvm2-on-root, can i use the snapshot functionality to "freeze" every single partition/mount (including root!) and do a backup? |
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| 05:11.39 | Azar | I am reading shorewall guidlines and when I reached to download one-interface sample I realized I do not have the proper version, woody got the outdated one: http://www.shorewall.net/standalone.htm |
| 05:11.41 | Wyzard | nvz: I have a sarge pre-release snapshot (from about a month prior to release) installed on a few test machines at work, running GNOME, with no such font problems |
| 05:11.51 | Wyzard | xaphod: yes |
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| 05:12.02 | rixth | liable, how? |
| 05:12.03 | nvz | sanxiyn: I know nothing about that, I set my gtk fonts to 9pt, and sometimes I get them, others I get these 4pt fonts or whatever it is.. seems to happen in apollon too, sometimes I can see sometimes I cant.. so its not just gtk |
| 05:12.20 | liable | rixth: /etc/init.d/xinetd restart |
| 05:12.26 | Wyzard | xaphod: Note, though, that the frozen LV will be from a running filesystem, so if you back that up and later restore it, it'll boot up as if it was a system that wasn't properly shut down |
| 05:12.38 | xaphod | wyzard: yeah, understood. |
| 05:12.42 | myren | how do i change my console's resolution? |
| 05:12.45 | myren | i need to see more lines of text |
| 05:13.13 | Wyzard | xaphod: If you use XFS, you can put it in a freeze of its own, where pending writes are finished and new writes are put on-hold, and the filesystem on disk is as if it was cleanly unmounted |
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| 05:13.33 | xaphod | wooo... that's sounding good - that'd allow me to do what I want without LVM!!! |
| 05:13.39 | Wyzard | xaphod: so you can do XFS freeze, LVM freeze, XFS unfreeze, and have a snapshot that's effectively of a cleanly-unmounted filesystem |
| 05:13.51 | rixth | liable, I don't see it in netstat. |
| 05:13.57 | xaphod | wyzard: i could skip LVM completely couldn't i? |
| 05:13.59 | Wyzard | xaphod: No, you don't want to do it for a long period of time because any processes trying to write to disk are blocked during that time |
| 05:14.02 | rixth | I restarted inetd and xinetd |
| 05:14.14 | SDFH_Linux | has anyone tried openoffice 1.9? |
| 05:14.16 | Wyzard | xaphod: It's best used for just a moment while creating a snapshot of the underlying LV |
| 05:14.21 | yoshio_ | myren: I have vga=771 in my kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst, gives me 100x37 on my laptop console |
| 05:14.27 | sanxiyn | SDFH_Linux: Yes. It's great. |
| 05:14.36 | liable | rixth: ok, just add the swat bit to xinetd.conf before the include bit, see if that works |
| 05:14.57 | jkretz | anyone have experience with dhcpd and shorewall for firewall / nat |
| 05:15.09 | Wyzard | xaphod: Unfortunately, there's no way to shrink an XFS filesystem, so if you plan on being able to resize LVs, be aware that you won't be able to resize them in the smallward direction if they contain XFS |
| 05:15.23 | rixth | What include bit? |
| 05:15.28 | Azar | jkretz I am at it: http://www.shorewall.net/shorewall_quickstart_guide.htm#id2500945 |
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| 05:15.58 | rixth | liable, what include bit? |
| 05:16.13 | liable | rixth: at the bottom, includedir /etc/xinetd |
| 05:16.20 | SDFH_Linux | whats the version you got 1.9 what sanxlyn? |
| 05:16.29 | jkretz | i'll read some more, but my setup seems broken even before i bring shorewall into the mix |
| 05:16.32 | liable | rixth: is that line there |
| 05:16.33 | jkretz | heh |
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| 05:17.18 | joeee | qwrqwr |
| 05:17.22 | sanxiyn | SDFH_Linux: From openoffice.org :-) |
| 05:17.27 | nomed^ | does anyone know how i should set pmount to work with hal? |
| 05:17.31 | sanxiyn | SDFH_Linux: I bet there's Debian package too. |
| 05:17.39 | rixth | liable, includedir /etc/xinetd I cannot find that line |
| 05:17.44 | SDFH_Linux | i found a deb server |
| 05:17.45 | SDFH_Linux | for it |
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| 05:18.00 | sanxiyn | SDFH_Linux: You mean an APT repository. |
| 05:18.05 | SDFH_Linux | yes that |
| 05:18.07 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 05:18.09 | liable | rixth: just add the swat bit, can you paste your xinetd.conf |
| 05:18.21 | rixth | oh I see, sorry |
| 05:18.30 | ubuntu_phil | does anyone know if prism 3 wifi cards will work with packet injection progs like aireplay? many docs suggest prism2/2.5 but do not mention prism 3 |
| 05:18.34 | rixth | join #rixth |
| 05:18.48 | xaphod | wyzard: I think i want to use reiser 4 anyways |
| 05:19.12 | Wyzard | xaphod: I wouldn't recommend that for a production server, not yet |
| 05:19.27 | xaphod | wyzard: it's not production per se |
| 05:19.29 | Wyzard | xaphod: It hasn't had time to mature yet |
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| 05:19.37 | xaphod | but it does need live backups :) |
| 05:19.55 | streuner_ | dpkg, filesystems |
| 05:19.55 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
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| 05:20.28 | Wyzard | xaphod: Well, just be aware that reiser4 might still have data-loss bugs in uncommon/rare cases |
| 05:20.29 | cthulfuego | Finally, no longer stuck at 1600x1200 |
| 05:20.54 | Wyzard | cthulfuego: Stuck? I use that by choice. :-) |
| 05:21.15 | xaphod | wyzard: risk understood (and assumed) |
| 05:21.16 | yoshio_ | cthulfuego: what resolution are you now at? |
| 05:21.51 | cthulfuego | Wyzard: 3200x1200 now |
| 05:22.01 | xaphod | i wonder if reiser 4 has any native freezing capabilities? |
| 05:22.02 | Wyzard | cthulfuego: ah, ok |
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| 05:22.20 | Wyzard | xaphod: wouldn't surprise me |
| 05:22.22 | cthulfuego | xaphod: Yes. it can (and will) freeze the system natively. |
| 05:22.25 | xaphod | but hell, i'll go lvm2-on-root anyways, for the challenge and the potential "look how huge my penius is" factor |
| 05:23.12 | xaphod | cthulfeugo: long enough to do snapshot-style backup, so that I don't need lvm2? Or only long enough to supplement lvm's snapshot capability? |
| 05:23.16 | Wyzard | xaphod: But with either XFS or reiser4 freezing, you don't want to use it alone for your backups, because it's an interruption of service for as long as the backup is running -- anything that tries to write to disk will block until the backup finishes |
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| 05:23.41 | cthulfuego | xaphod: let me put it this way: ext3 is your friend |
| 05:23.43 | Wyzard | xaphod: Use it only for making a clean LVM snapshot |
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| 05:24.48 | SDFH_Linux | what is the command to start openoffice 1.9? |
| 05:25.25 | cthulfuego | oowriter/oocalc/oo-whateverotherapp |
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| 05:25.59 | JeffH | does anyone here use dirvish? |
| 05:26.29 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 05:26.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 05:26.42 | SDFH_Linux | hm something is wrong it no start |
| 05:26.57 | kjparker | thanks guys, that worked a treat |
| 05:27.06 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: that's what you get for running nondebian packages |
| 05:27.06 | Azar | Wyzard, sorry I was so upset earlier I forgot how to check what processes are connected... so I know which one to stop? |
| 05:27.07 | spdf | kjparker, good stuff |
| 05:27.11 | JeffH | is there a way to backup a remote windows machine using dirvish? |
| 05:27.13 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 05:27.15 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
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| 05:27.23 | kjparker | 1600X1200@24bit |
| 05:27.25 | kjparker | :) |
| 05:27.33 | SDFH_Linux | hm got it from apt server |
| 05:27.39 | sanxiyn | SDFH_Linux: Try soffice. |
| 05:27.42 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 05:27.42 | spdf | kjparker, should be nicely accelerated as well.. |
| 05:27.45 | Guerin | JeffH: install a ssh server and/or rsync |
| 05:27.52 | xaphod | Why does the above description call XFS "huge" ? |
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| 05:27.56 | SDFH_Linux | nope that not working either |
| 05:28.05 | Guerin | xaphod: the module code is not small |
| 05:28.07 | JeffH | Guerin: are there any for windows that don't require cygwin? |
| 05:28.12 | xaphod | oh. |
| 05:28.12 | kjparker | spdf, that's not real important to me, I don't do anot of graphics stuff, but I do like to have alot of windows open! |
| 05:28.20 | Guerin | JeffH: why would you not want cygwin? |
| 05:28.31 | JeffH | why would I? |
| 05:28.33 | sanxiyn | SDFH_Linux: You got a non-working package then, I guess. Or read README if there's one. |
| 05:28.49 | Guerin | JeffH: because it's the sane way to get a lot of useful utilities working on windows? |
| 05:29.01 | kjparker | now to move on to getting my sound working |
| 05:29.01 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 05:29.03 | kjparker | :) |
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| 05:29.30 | Wyzard | Azar: netstat --inet --listening |
| 05:29.34 | spdf | kjparker, alsa is your friend |
| 05:29.59 | Wyzard | Azar: You want that listing to be empty |
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| 05:30.29 | mr_clark | Hi guys. Installed 3.1. Originally set to dhcp. Now I want to use static ip. Changed /etc/network/interfaces, restart networking, everything looks fine. step away from the pc for a while and the ip gets renewed with dhcp server. What did I miss? |
| 05:30.30 | Azar | thanks Wyzard |
| 05:31.05 | spdf | mr_clark, paste /etc/network/interfaces into #flood |
| 05:31.14 | yoo | Hi everybody ! |
| 05:31.27 | kjparker | spdf: is it as simple as apt-get install alsa? |
| 05:32.07 | mr_clark | spdf, done. |
| 05:32.16 | SDFH_Linux | no workie |
| 05:32.21 | jkretz | so i think i know what my problem is |
| 05:32.24 | jkretz | i think |
| 05:32.28 | SDFH_Linux | openoffce 1.9 from where i got it |
| 05:32.35 | jkretz | i'm not resolving dns properly |
| 05:32.42 | jkretz | and i'm not sure what i need to do that |
| 05:32.50 | jkretz | i can now ping the shorewall box from clients |
| 05:32.57 | robert | anyone know where I can pick up a Debian case badge? |
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| 05:33.30 | Wyzard | hmm, that's a cool idea |
| 05:33.42 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: just delete it and install the debian oo.o packages |
| 05:33.48 | nse | hey people, woody still alive in our hearts!! |
| 05:34.22 | simonrvn | wth |
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| 05:34.51 | SDFH_Linux | where can i get those Guerin? |
| 05:35.04 | Wyzard | robert: Google for "debian case badge" turns up a few |
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| 05:35.12 | spdf | SDFH_Linux, Same place you get other debian packages ;) |
| 05:35.35 | Wyzard | robert: You could also probably just print one of your own |
| 05:35.37 | SDFH_Linux | i dont have a apt server for openoffice 1.9 anyone does? |
| 05:35.53 | spdf | !tell SDFH_Linux about open office |
| 05:36.56 | SDFH_Linux | ok i try those |
| 05:36.57 | SDFH_Linux | thanks |
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| 05:37.11 | spdf | Don't thank me. Thank your lord and saviour, dpkg. |
| 05:37.15 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
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| 05:37.18 | myren | hrm, now that i got this raid drive back online after that drive failure, i find myself frighteningly tempted to format it |
| 05:37.22 | freshly | hy |
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| 05:39.00 | TML | What would cause different VTs to handle UTF-8 differently? On VT 2, UTF-8 characters are displayed correctly, as long as they're part of the font-set. On VTs 3-12, they garble the terminal. |
| 05:40.02 | rixth | I'm thinking about setting up Xebian on my Xbox, mainly to use it as a host for distcc, bad idea or good? |
| 05:40.16 | nse | I'm just holding my breath to move my desktop from sarge to etch.. ! |
| 05:40.38 | spdf | nse, it shouldn't be much of a leap, they're not that far apart from each other.. |
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| 05:41.01 | spdf | rixth, Just for distcc? Does it still play games? |
| 05:41.10 | streuner_ | debian's upgrade processes are very easy |
| 05:41.11 | robert | Wyzard, mostly in the UK, and most of those suck ;p |
| 05:41.13 | nse | spdf: yes i know about that, but soon the will be.. |
| 05:41.31 | robert | Debian should sell case badges along with the official release from the store |
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| 05:41.47 | omniscient | n |
| 05:42.00 | rixth | spdf, indeed, |
| 05:42.20 | rixth | YOu can dual boot, just put to 300mb install onto the F drive (there's about 4gb free there) |
| 05:42.59 | sanxiyn | Evince looks nice. |
| 05:43.01 | spdf | rixth, Doesn't seem worth it.. |
| 05:43.19 | Azar | Wyzard I was only able to stop ssh, but not the others |
| 05:44.04 | Azar | sunrpc, auth, daytime, discard.. |
| 05:44.04 | rixth | spdf, not fast enough or why? (I'm interested). Even if it sped compiling up by a couple minutes, count me in. |
| 05:44.15 | zinosat | Hi,need to burn Sarge dvd.k3b failed.now i'm trying with dvdrecord but it says that TAO is not supported; using "-dao" it says SAO is not supported... which options should I use? |
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| 05:44.56 | Wyzard | Azar: Those come from inetd |
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| 05:45.43 | TML | zinosat: You have hardware that supports neither TAO nor DAO? |
| 05:46.14 | spdf | rixth, What are you compiling on right now? |
| 05:46.43 | TML | zinosat: Try -raw |
| 05:46.46 | rixth | Athlon 2800XP (32bit) |
| 05:46.50 | zinosat | TML, never investigated but that's what happened... MATSHITA DVD-RAM UJ-811 |
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| 05:46.55 | peterS | zinosat: check 'cdrecord -atip dev=whatever' - see what the "Supported modes:" are |
| 05:47.02 | Azar | Wyzard, yes |
| 05:47.20 | zinosat | TML, dvdrecord: Data sectors are not yet supported in RAW mode. |
| 05:47.25 | TML | heh |
| 05:47.30 | TML | zinosat: Do what peterS said |
| 05:47.39 | zinosat | peterS, cheers |
| 05:47.49 | Azar | and shorewall now is harder since the upgrade demands configuration I cant do |
| 05:47.58 | jm_ | zinosat: tried growisofs instead? |
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| 05:48.20 | zinosat | peterS, Supported modes: PACKET SAO... |
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| 05:48.26 | TML | Why do we have debhelper setting +l if we have a +J? |
| 05:48.30 | zinosat | jm_, not yet |
| 05:48.32 | ugly | growisofs + lxdvdrip = christmas |
| 05:48.56 | zinosat | jm_, apt-getting it.... |
| 05:48.56 | ugly | minus the jesus |
| 05:49.21 | spdf | and tacky colours.. |
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| 05:49.46 | mr_clark | spdf, Got my DHCP problem figured out. I removed dhcp client package but it was still running in background! |
| 05:51.48 | spdf | mr_clark, Good stuff |
| 05:52.08 | Langly1 | My sarge cd isnt seeing my promise ultra 66 card on boot, how can i get it to see it so i can install? |
| 05:52.59 | Azar | I have an unknown open at 815 how can I close it? |
| 05:53.10 | buu | What is a good / simple video editor? |
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| 05:53.18 | Azar | gawd if I got rooted again I have to reinstall |
| 05:53.19 | buu | I just need to clip out a small section of an avi. |
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| 05:53.20 | SDFH_Linux | cant find openofice 1.9 for deb |
| 05:53.34 | TML | SDFH_Linux: Not surprising. |
| 05:53.42 | Azar | how do I close a port? |
| 05:53.49 | gullyfoyle | i'm a debian believer. best distro i've tried in years |
| 05:53.56 | TML | Azar: Find out what has it open, and kill it |
| 05:53.57 | ugly | SDFH_Linux: not officially packaged - don't waste your time, you're just gonna end up breaking your system |
| 05:54.08 | Azar | "unknown" has it open |
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| 05:54.16 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 05:54.21 | TML | Azar: Where did you get that value from? |
| 05:54.26 | Azar | nmap |
| 05:54.26 | zinosat | jm_, "growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=/sid/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso -speed=2" did not complain: let's see what happens |
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| 05:54.35 | buu | Anyone? |
| 05:54.35 | gullyfoyle | buh-bye mandrake, so long fedora |
| 05:54.39 | Azar | 815/tcp open unknown |
| 05:54.50 | jm_ | zinosat: you'll wait almost 30 minutes |
| 05:54.51 | robert | gullyfoyle, .deb is so much better than .rpm |
| 05:54.58 | TML | Azar: That "unknown" is simply nmap's best guess as to the service running on that port |
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| 05:55.11 | Azar | how can I kill it? |
| 05:55.12 | TML | Azar: "lsof -i tcp" or "netstat -pant" to see what process has it open |
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| 05:55.19 | simonrvn | Azar: find. out. getent services 815; lsof -n -i :815; netstat -plaunt |grep 815 |
| 05:55.19 | robert | Azar, kill -9 pidid |
| 05:55.30 | ugly | zinosat: FYI, speed should always go before the '-Z' flag, otherwise it gets passed to mkisofs |
| 05:55.31 | gullyfoyle | i thought many's urpmi was good but i now see the error of my ways |
| 05:55.31 | simonrvn | don't use kill -9 unless you have to |
| 05:55.37 | gullyfoyle | *mandy's |
| 05:55.41 | Azar | rpc.statd |
| 05:56.11 | TML | Azar: Why are you running NFS? |
| 05:56.11 | zinosat | jm_, yes. then "md5sum /dev/hdc" should be enough to check if it's right? thanx |
| 05:56.16 | zinosat | ugly, thnx |
| 05:56.16 | ugly | zinosat: in this case, it may simply not have an effect at all, and will burn at max speed - if that's not the behavior you want though (forcing to 2x), then you know the problem :P |
| 05:56.22 | simonrvn | Azar: that's nfs daemon... |
| 05:56.27 | Azar | oh |
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| 05:56.54 | simonrvn | do your freaking research |
| 05:56.59 | Gskillet | Can anyone suggest a good GPS device to be used with Linux? |
| 05:57.25 | simonrvn | yeh. show me one and i'll bang it with a 2x4 a few times |
| 05:57.40 | jm_ | zinosat: not sure about md5sum, you should check that before burning it |
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| 05:59.14 | buu | Hrm. I could have sworn I was just using a great little editor, but I can't remember the name now |
| 05:59.25 | ugly | buu: must've been vim |
| 05:59.33 | ugly | </troll> |
| 05:59.54 | buu | ugly: Video editor =/ |
| 06:00.27 | ugly | video integration master |
| 06:00.40 | rixth | ugly, VI Improved :) |
| 06:02.24 | zinosat | jm_, md5 of the iso file is ok. when i tried to burn it with k3b (with the verify option enabled) it failed, so now I'm paranoid about checking the dvd itself once it's burnt |
| 06:03.19 | jm_ | zinosat: ahh, I would loop mount the ISO file, then generate md5sum for each file and finally verify this with burned disc |
| 06:03.44 | caphuso | well, uh, you already have it in your sources.list |
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| 06:03.56 | rixth | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt << What are we missing there? |
| 06:04.02 | zinosat | jm_, that might be an idea... it'll take forever but should work |
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| 06:04.42 | jm_ | zinosat: no, about 20 minutes |
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| 06:04.52 | RichardC | to install apache, i need to run apt-get install apache, right? |
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| 06:04.54 | ugly | torsmo is some fun (and lightweight) eye candy: https://inhuman.org/~ugly/screenshot.jpg (bottom left) |
| 06:05.06 | rixth | RichardC, or apt-get install apache2 |
| 06:05.07 | zinosat | jm_, reasonable: thanx for the tip |
| 06:05.07 | RichardC | or is there a better package to get? |
| 06:05.11 | RichardC | rixth |
| 06:05.12 | RichardC | alright |
| 06:05.35 | rixth | RichardC, plus, you'll have to open port 80 in your router. |
| 06:05.40 | TML | rixth: probably libqt3-mt-dev, but packages.debian.org could have told you that. |
| 06:06.04 | RichardC | rixth: alright, and what configs do i need to edit? |
| 06:06.08 | rixth | Just found that, but I thoguh I had that but apparently not. |
| 06:06.16 | zinosat | jm_, how would you run md5sum over all the files? using something like find -exec md5sum? |
| 06:06.55 | rixth | RichardC, nothing really, just change /etc/httpd.conf to your liking (it MIGHT be /etc/apache/httpd.conf) I like to compile it myself. |
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| 06:07.15 | TML | ugly: Whatever that is, seejpeg doesn't like it. :) |
| 06:07.16 | jm_ | zinosat: find . -type f | xargs md5sum > /tmp/dvd.md5 -- or md5sum **/*(.) > bla if you're using zsh |
| 06:07.43 | zinosat | jm_, great:thnx |
| 06:07.47 | rixth | RichardC, will you be wanting PHP too? |
| 06:07.47 | ugly | TML: just a screenshot saved in gimp ... |
| 06:08.01 | RichardC | rixth: to my knowledge, port 80 is open, and with default setting immediately after install, i cant seem to get a response in firefox |
| 06:08.04 | RichardC | rixth: yeah |
| 06:08.25 | RichardC | rixth: php and mysql |
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| 06:09.01 | spdf | ugly, your box is named whorism? |
| 06:09.11 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 06:09.19 | rixth | RichardC, I don't know how to get MySQL support, I know that when you compile, you want ./configure --with-mysql --with-apxs=*DIR TO APXS* --with-mysql --enable-mbstring |
| 06:09.19 | ugly | spdf: old name going back ~5 years when I was 14 :P |
| 06:09.25 | whm | find ssh so cool |
| 06:09.30 | ugly | spdf: never bothered to change |
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| 06:09.55 | TML | apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 06:10.08 | rixth | Well then, I |
| 06:10.13 | RichardC | is that both php and mysql support? |
| 06:10.16 | rixth | 'm off, good luck RichardC |
| 06:10.17 | buu | RichardC: Hehe, php is so cute. |
| 06:10.27 | buu | You have to recompile it to access a database. |
| 06:10.40 | TML | buu: No you don't. Please don't spread FUD. |
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| 06:10.49 | buu | TML: So what was rixth just saying? |
| 06:10.51 | spdf | Or, You can just use the damn debian packages.. |
| 06:10.56 | bob2 | buu: the Debian maintainer's work around that damage |
| 06:11.00 | TML | buu: He was saying that he doesn't know |
| 06:11.07 | buu | TML: So how do you access a database? |
| 06:11.07 | RichardC | i figured with apt-get i wouldnt have to recompile anything... |
| 06:11.08 | TML | buu: Hence: < rixth> RichardC, I don't know how to get MySQL support, |
| 06:11.12 | bob2 | buu: by compiling everything as a shared library, and having php load it at runtime |
| 06:11.15 | bob2 | RichardC: you don't |
| 06:11.21 | buu | bob2: That's.. interesting. |
| 06:11.28 | sep | buu: he said that _he_ likes to compile it himself, not that you _had_ to. |
| 06:11.29 | bob2 | RichardC: php4 is the base php4 package. php4-mysql is just the extra mysql bit |
| 06:11.37 | TML | buu: Same way python, perl, and ruby do it, more or less. |
| 06:11.51 | buu | You mean php finally got the ability to use modules?! |
| 06:12.00 | TML | buu: It's had it for 7 years, so...yes. |
| 06:12.12 | buu | But enough trolling. I was trying to install avidemux, but it fails with "can't find liblame0", but when I search for liblame, I see an entry for it |
| 06:12.31 | RichardC | TML: heh |
| 06:12.35 | sep | buu: search on pdo |
| 06:12.39 | bob2 | buu: liblame0 is only in marillat's repository, make sure you have that enabled and liblame0 is installable |
| 06:12.46 | Azar | I was reading the shorewall documentation I am not able to understand the terms |
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| 06:12.57 | RichardC | so for php and mysql support in apache, i have to install php4, php4-mysql, and what else |
| 06:13.08 | RichardC | to my knowledge neither php or mysql are installed now |
| 06:13.10 | bob2 | Azar: for example? |
| 06:13.12 | Azar | how many new Debian or linux users here use shorewall? |
| 06:13.16 | bob2 | Azar: it's all basic networking stuff |
| 06:13.18 | sep | !polls |
| 06:13.18 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 06:13.22 | buu | bob2: Weird. I installed liblame and now avidemux installs fine. |
| 06:13.31 | bob2 | Azar: if you're not comfortable with networking, shorewall isn't for you |
| 06:13.34 | spdf | buu, That's weird? |
| 06:13.36 | Azar | bob2 I should start reading networking? |
| 06:13.43 | buu | spdf: Yes. Why didn't avidemux find liblame? |
| 06:13.50 | Azar | I mean I do try and read |
| 06:13.54 | bob2 | Azar: sure |
| 06:13.57 | Azar | but without understanding |
| 06:14.01 | cthulfuego | How do i turn a cabbage into sauerkraut? |
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| 06:14.08 | buu | spdf: apt seems to find all the other dependencies just fine. |
| 06:14.09 | bob2 | Azar: but going from knowing nothing to being able to install shoewall is a lot of reading :) |
| 06:14.20 | bob2 | Azar: firestarter might be an easier tool to use for now |
| 06:14.24 | Azar | I installed it but I cannot configure it |
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| 06:14.33 | bob2 | er, right, configure |
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| 06:14.41 | spdf | buu, perhaps its not a dependency for normal usage, only if you're doing specific things.. |
| 06:14.43 | bob2 | btw, zope3 > you |
| 06:14.43 | Azar | I mean ok I used a d-link router with a firewall but it was easy to configure |
| 06:14.49 | buu | rixth: So anyways, for my education, if you wanted to access say db2 or oracle from your php script, (or firebird o rwhatever), how would you do it? |
| 06:14.50 | streuner_ | cthulfuego: Dont eat sauerkraut! - It causes cancer :-) |
| 06:14.56 | buu | spdf: It wouldn't install without it =[ |
| 06:15.03 | sep | Azar: if you have a simple setup the shorewall tutorial examples will get you a long way. |
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| 06:15.25 | spdf | buu, Perhaps theres a bug or omission with the package.. |
| 06:15.44 | spdf | streuner_, Stop with your sauerfraut FUD. :) |
| 06:15.51 | buu | spdf: Something. |
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| 06:15.56 | cthulfuego | Cool, just shed, add salt, let ferment. |
| 06:16.10 | Azar | it did not used words like subnetwork, p-t-p interfacesnorfc1918 |
| 06:16.12 | TML | buu: php.net/manual |
| 06:16.12 | Lucractius_sleep | "W: Couldn't stat source package list <server> stable/main packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)" Im suddenly feeling very lost? |
| 06:16.20 | johnnybezak | hey guys where is a good how to for setting up a decent sources.list (ie. with lots of packages, but not going to break my system) I'm normally a ubuntu user, and that uses universe. i have main stable contrib and non-free , what else should i add? |
| 06:16.26 | TML | buu: There are sections for each of the databases supported by PHP |
| 06:16.33 | bob2 | johnnybezak: that's all of Debian |
| 06:16.35 | sep | Azar: the firewall in dlink is not a real firewall, it's just a toy. |
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| 06:16.45 | Azar | sep but easy to configure |
| 06:16.50 | Azar | graphical |
| 06:16.55 | bob2 | sep: some of them run linux |
| 06:17.15 | johnnybezak | bob2: ok cool, what is another good repository (btw, that usb disk worked thanks :)) |
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| 06:17.37 | spdf | !tell johnnybezak about marillat |
| 06:17.39 | Azar | the downside of firewall routers: no way to rule the processes from inside out |
| 06:17.45 | sep | Azar: yes, but it only have to deal with the known hardware, 1 wan port 1 lan, with shorewall you can have a arbitary amount of interfaces, tunnels and whatsnot,. it's just not compareable |
| 06:18.09 | llama32 | can someone give me a url to some random small java class? doesnt matter if it doesnt work or anything, im doing some stuff on the class file format |
| 06:18.11 | sep | Azar: and shorewall is more logical when you know networking the (cheap) dlinks is |
| 06:18.14 | bob2 | johnnybezak: what more do you need? |
| 06:18.18 | Azar | sep I am networking illiterate when it comes to understand names, terms |
| 06:18.20 | sep | i woudt know about dlinks more expencive stuff |
| 06:18.27 | bob2 | johnnybezak: just adding repositories for no reason is a sure recipe for breaking things |
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| 06:18.50 | buu | TML: You have to recompile php =] |
| 06:18.53 | sep | Azar: you can ask about the term, or look it up on google. |
| 06:18.57 | johnnybezak | bob2: well for example i want to get mythtv, irssi just some stuff like that and it doesn't show up... have i stuffed something up? |
| 06:19.00 | TML | buu: No, you don't. |
| 06:19.02 | buu | At least that's what the manual insinutates. |
| 06:19.06 | Azar | the examples in "interfaces" file talk about dhcp and I do not use that, so I guess it does not help |
| 06:19.07 | black13 | does anyone know about undefined referrece to `stack_smash_handler' ? |
| 06:19.15 | TML | buu: As one of the core developers on the PHP language, I can assure you that you absolutely do not. |
| 06:19.15 | nomed^ | is there a frontend to manage users and groups different from kuser? |
| 06:19.25 | buu | TML: What else does :Installation You have to compile PHP with the option --with-oci8[=DIR], where DIR defaults to your environment variable ORACLE_HOME. |
| 06:19.29 | Guerin | johnnybezak: irssi is in debian; i'm pretty sure mythtv is in testing and unstable |
| 06:19.33 | buu | Mean? |
| 06:19.38 | Azar | isnt there a linux simpler command that can help me block ports? |
| 06:19.49 | Azar | so I could block/unblock without a firewall? |
| 06:19.52 | ugly | haha |
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| 06:19.55 | johnnybezak | Guerin: hmmm maybe my sources.list is wrong, but i don't get any errors with apt-get update |
| 06:20.09 | Guerin | johnnybezak: put it on a httpd someplace |
| 06:20.13 | TML | buu: It means "The manual assumes by default that you're deciding all modules you might possibly ever want before compiling, and is structured based on that assumption." |
| 06:20.20 | johnnybezak | Guerin: ok just a sec |
| 06:20.21 | ugly | Azar: OpenBSD's pf features a very natural syntax, and is extremely powerful |
| 06:20.27 | buu | TML: So how do you do it without recompiling php? |
| 06:20.28 | sep | Azar: http://www.shorewall.net/standalone.htm this is a example for shorewall on a single host. |
| 06:20.30 | RichardC | i just did an apt-get install apache2. port 80 is unblocked by router. what conf files do i need to edit in order for apache to work, if any at all |
| 06:20.35 | ugly | Azar: ... dunno if all you're doing is setting up a firewall/NAT box :P |
| 06:20.36 | TML | buu: apt-get install php4-<whatever> |
| 06:20.44 | spdf | RichardC, is apache runny? |
| 06:20.51 | Ick | never mind why, but is there a way to disable caps lock? |
| 06:20.53 | sep | Azar: or are you setting up a router/firewall ? |
| 06:20.53 | buu | TML: Just for example, without using apt. |
| 06:20.54 | RichardC | yes? |
| 06:20.56 | Azar | sep I was just reading that and downloaded the samples |
| 06:21.00 | bob2 | Ick: in X, yes |
| 06:21.02 | TML | buu: rpm --install php-mysql |
| 06:21.06 | Azar | reading the samples I dont get a clue |
| 06:21.08 | Guerin | RichardC: should server SOMETHING out of the box, try to browse yourself |
| 06:21.08 | RichardC | spdf: im 99% sure it is, how do i check |
| 06:21.10 | black13 | where would i find the debian source packages for xorg |
| 06:21.11 | buu | TML: Without using a packaging system. |
| 06:21.13 | bob2 | Ick: (I have mine acting as a extra control key) |
| 06:21.15 | spdf | RichardC, ps aux | grep apache |
| 06:21.27 | TML | buu: Join ##PHP and ask php-bot about "modules" |
| 06:21.28 | ugly | are you a male Azar or a female Azar |
| 06:21.31 | johnnybezak | whats the name of that paste bin site |
| 06:21.32 | johnnybezak | ? |
| 06:21.33 | spdf | RichardC, What does http://localhost/ give you? |
| 06:21.36 | Azar | male why? |
| 06:21.41 | Guerin | johnnybezak: /msg dpkg paste |
| 06:21.44 | streuner | !padte |
| 06:21.46 | spdf | johnnybezak, oddly enough, pastebin |
| 06:21.53 | streuner | !paste |
| 06:21.53 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 06:22.04 | johnnybezak | .org ? |
| 06:22.08 | ugly | Azar: just on the off-chance you were this female fatty named Azar that was in a class of mine a year ago :P |
| 06:22.11 | Azar | lets ask any new linux/debian users here how they setup a firewall |
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| 06:22.25 | buu | TML: That's incredibly useful. |
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| 06:22.32 | Guerin | Azar: what do you want to protect? |
| 06:22.41 | Azar | most of the new users fall into the linux myth: unbreakable, no need for firewalls |
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| 06:22.43 | TML | buu: It's also not incredibly new. You've been able to do that since 3.0.6 |
| 06:22.53 | buu | TML: But it's so icky! |
| 06:23.02 | Azar | Guerin I was forced to reinstall , the 583th time now |
| 06:23.05 | buu | TML: Where's the unified way to handle 'extensions' ? |
| 06:23.08 | Azar | because I got rooted |
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| 06:23.15 | Azar | err 53th |
| 06:23.17 | Guerin | Azar: actually, most users fall for the delusion that running a local firewall is actually a useful defence. |
| 06:23.19 | TML | buu: apt, rpm, etc |
| 06:23.23 | buu | "Because I got rooted.. because I got rooted.. because I got rooted" |
| 06:23.25 | buu | TML: Nice punt. |
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| 06:23.43 | Azar | Guerin, I will take the chance to ask any new "male" users how they deal with a firewall in Debian |
| 06:23.55 | TML | buu: the PHP team doesn't feel the language is the appropriate layer in which to address your question. |
| 06:23.55 | Guerin | Azar: what services do you NEED to run on that machine? |
| 06:23.58 | Azar | because I know I am not the only one |
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| 06:24.04 | Guerin | Azar: ie: what's the purpose of the box? |
| 06:24.19 | buu | TML: That's interested. |
| 06:24.21 | buu | *ing |
| 06:24.23 | Azar | Guerin, only http, irc (irssi) and ftp for apt only |
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| 06:24.35 | Guerin | Azar: no, I mean, what SERVERS will you run? |
| 06:24.39 | buu | TML: Are they going to add name spaces any time soon and end up with a core of less than 50 million functions? |
| 06:24.49 | TML | buu: No |
| 06:24.53 | Azar | no servers at this point I am to frightened after what happend |
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| 06:24.59 | buu | TML: Figures |
| 06:25.00 | RichardC | spdf: http://localhost/ gives me a successful install page |
| 06:25.06 | Guerin | Azar: ok. what's your IP address? |
| 06:25.09 | RichardC | i guess he didnt open port 80 then... |
| 06:25.12 | spdf | RichardC, Then you're good to go.. |
| 06:25.14 | TML | buu: Andi and Zeev have no interest in providing namespaces |
| 06:25.27 | Azar | 66.166.120.10 |
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| 06:25.40 | Guerin | Azar: I'm going to portscan you. |
| 06:25.44 | Azar | ok thanks |
| 06:25.46 | WiFiTux | hhmm any ideas why Sid is broken now? xorg i heard? |
| 06:25.54 | buu | TML: This explains oh so much. |
| 06:25.57 | TML | buu: You're always welcome to fork |
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| 06:26.21 | johnnybe1ak | Guerin: http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/?5862 |
| 06:26.23 | Guerin | WiFiTux: sid is broken because it's sid, and it's got an awesome hangover from the sarge release party. |
| 06:26.29 | buu | TML: Bah, I consider php to be a fork. |
| 06:26.38 | TML | buu: Of? |
| 06:26.41 | buu | Perl! |
| 06:26.48 | Azar | unbelievable, the only time I got rooted was 5 years ago when I was using Win98 |
| 06:26.54 | sep | Azar: run the firewall on another box then your server, and update security updates when they come. i'v never had any problems with Debian or any other linux that was not due to me not doing security updates |
| 06:26.57 | buu | PHP is just like they took all the good parts from perl, the good parts from C, and threw them away completely. |
| 06:27.08 | RichardC | how can i check if port 80 is open? |
| 06:27.11 | TML | buu: Please don't troll. It's annoying. |
| 06:27.30 | Azar | sep I am trying at Debian now for 3 years I was using woody, sid, never happened to have a break in |
| 06:27.30 | buu | Too late |
| 06:27.32 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I bet it does. :) part pas postponed several times... You know if only gnome is broken or the whole thing? |
| 06:27.33 | Guerin | Azar: edit /etc/inetd.conf and comment all those services. |
| 06:27.39 | Azar | or it happened but I had no idea |
| 06:27.43 | TML | RichardC: "lsof -i tcp" or "netstat -pant" or "nmap" or netcat... |
| 06:27.46 | Guerin | WiFiTux: worksforme, I don't have gnome. |
| 06:27.48 | sep | Azar: and you did the security updates ? |
| 06:27.48 | Azar | thanks guerin |
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| 06:28.02 | Guerin | Azar: also, what's running on 815/tcp? |
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| 06:28.02 | Azar | sep just reinstalled and upgraded to Sarge |
| 06:28.13 | Azar | yes security updates came with the upgrade |
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| 06:28.26 | Ick | bob2: did you change xfree86? |
| 06:28.35 | Guerin | RichardC: telnet from outside |
| 06:28.50 | WiFiTux | Guerin, right then. Gnome it is. Hope they put in xorg soon. I wanna check it out. :) |
| 06:28.51 | myren | what environmental variable would i put -j4 on? |
| 06:28.54 | bob2 | Ick: hm? |
| 06:29.00 | sep | Azar: security update is something you do every day. not just when there is a release. |
| 06:29.01 | myren | make using multiple procesors |
| 06:29.32 | Ick | bob2: to disable capslock |
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| 06:29.34 | myren | i'm trying to make-kpkg with my dual processor machine |
| 06:29.47 | Guerin | sep: his last box was a default install, and supposedly rooted after a few days |
| 06:29.49 | bob2 | Ick: oh, yeah |
| 06:30.02 | RichardC | i can view http://localhost/ through lynx on the server, so port 80 must still be blocked... |
| 06:30.07 | sep | Azar: and upgrading the kernel is very important. i know a guy that didnt upgrade his kernel, becouse he was afraid of loosing his uptime. |
| 06:30.12 | Azar | Guerin, some rpc |
| 06:30.26 | foreigner_1 | Beware of "Trusted Network Computing" and get the free hardware working and the secret DRM out of the linux kernel or else your efforts will be wiped out. |
| 06:30.26 | spdf | RichardC, Are you unable to access it through your IP? |
| 06:30.29 | Crell | Is hdparm even needed on a 2.6 system anymore? I thought the kernel auto-tunes itself these days. |
| 06:30.30 | myren | bah, that did not work. :( |
| 06:30.36 | Azar | I seen it in netstat --inet --listening |
| 06:30.43 | Guerin | Azar: what program? |
| 06:30.52 | Guerin | Crell: it can be. |
| 06:30.59 | jm_ | Crell: 2.4 also does that, and yes, it might be needed - you can use it for more than just tuning |
| 06:31.08 | Crell | Hm. OK, I won't remove it then. :-) |
| 06:31.12 | Guerin | Azar: i.e: do you KNOW what it is and why it's running? |
| 06:31.17 | sep | Guerin: then he must have not upgraded something, |
| 06:31.36 | Guerin | sep: i'm actually wondering if his rootpass is weak, since he was getting a lot of attempts on ssh |
| 06:31.45 | RichardC | spdf: the server is remote. if, on this computer, i visit the IP on, say, firefox, there is no response. however, if i use lynx on the server, i can view http://localhost/. therefore, port 80 must be blocked |
| 06:31.54 | sep | Only time i'v had a issue was when i was a spam relay, due to me having a compiled program not as a deb, and forgetting to check on that regularly |
| 06:32.20 | RichardC | wow |
| 06:32.22 | sep | Guerin: all my servers gets bruteforce attachs on port 22 atlest 2-3 runs every weel |
| 06:32.23 | sep | week |
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| 06:32.33 | Guerin | sep: man, mine never do. |
| 06:32.46 | Guerin | sep: a lot of other people complain about it, but I've not had a one. |
| 06:32.49 | Azar | Guerin,no I do not know but it say rpc.statd |
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| 06:32.51 | sep | Guerin: i have a new ripe ip series, we'r a prime target. |
| 06:32.57 | Guerin | Azar: ok. Do you need NFS? |
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| 06:33.27 | RichardC | spdf: through ssh, i can use lynx on the remote server to view the server's ip address. it gives me a successful install page |
| 06:33.28 | Azar | Guerin what is NFS? |
| 06:33.28 | johnnybe1ak | hey guys is mythtv in the standard debian repo's ? |
| 06:33.28 | Guerin | sep: ah yeah. I'm in korea, where nobody runs a sshd... but I have one box in texas. |
| 06:33.28 | Azar | network file system? |
| 06:33.28 | TML | Yes |
| 06:33.32 | Guerin | Azar: filesharing between more than one unix machine |
| 06:33.37 | sep | Guerin: what do they use in korea ? :) |
| 06:33.44 | Guerin | sep: win98, mostly |
| 06:33.49 | Azar | oh no I never do filesharing, no p2p |
| 06:33.51 | sep | Guerin: ohh.. |
| 06:33.53 | Azar | no dcc |
| 06:34.04 | foreigner_1 | Trusted NETWORK Computing is far more treacherous than even Trusted Computing...and you need to prepare for it |
| 06:34.18 | Guerin | Azar: ok. COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |grep nfs ; remove those packages |
| 06:34.22 | sep | Azar: nfs is not p2p, but if you dont know you dont need it |
| 06:34.27 | Azar | kill -9 3353 ? |
| 06:34.30 | Guerin | foreigner_1: eh? |
| 06:34.33 | TML | Azar: No |
| 06:34.39 | Azar | ok I did not |
| 06:34.40 | Guerin | Azar: no, remove the packages altogether if you don't want to use them. |
| 06:34.49 | Guerin | Azar: and DON'T use -9 |
| 06:34.51 | Guerin | EVER |
| 06:34.54 | Azar | ok |
| 06:34.57 | TML | They'd likely just start back up again |
| 06:35.03 | Azar | rpc.statd is a package? |
| 06:35.11 | Guerin | Azar: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |grep nfs ; remove those packages |
| 06:35.12 | foreigner_1 | Guerin, the day is coming soon when the Big Money will wipe out everything except for their own interests....with Trusted NETWORK Computing |
| 06:35.19 | TML | Guerin: That's pretty strong. Sometimes you need -9 just long enough to get the misbehaving software off your machine. :) |
| 06:35.20 | Azar | ok |
| 06:35.24 | sep | Guerin: i have several runs a week, must be some automatic thing. becouse all my servers get them, and they just scan the whole range with those attempths |
| 06:35.30 | Guerin | foreigner_1: is this the bit where you rant about internet3? |
| 06:35.41 | foreigner_1 | Guerin, and you need to prepare it before it is too late. |
| 06:35.42 | RichardC | what ip address do i go to to view the config page for a linksys router? |
| 06:35.49 | Guerin | TML: oh yeah, but at those times you KNOW you need it :) |
| 06:35.52 | ugly | RichardC: 192.168.1.1 usually |
| 06:35.59 | Guerin | foreigner_1: when will it be too late? |
| 06:36.02 | spdf | RichardC, 192.168.0.1 (or .1.1) |
| 06:36.14 | Azar | nfs not found |
| 06:36.15 | TML | foreigner_1: And that's the day that coast-to-coast wireless mesh networks spring up and integrate to work around those efforts. |
| 06:36.24 | foreigner_1 | Guerin, the bigshots are already gearing up....so hard to say but soon. |
| 06:36.37 | Guerin | hrm, what else uses statd... |
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| 06:36.55 | Azar | the only one I could figure out to remove was telnet |
| 06:37.09 | TML | Azar: apt-get --purge remove nfs-common |
| 06:37.26 | TML | Guerin: nfs-common is the only package that provides it according to pdo |
| 06:37.30 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:37.32 | foreigner_1 | TML, but you don't understand ....you won't be able to run any new software or access the net without paying through the nose for even limited times to read a html page |
| 06:37.40 | Guerin | Azar: did you actually run the line I told you? |
| 06:37.54 | Azar | Guerin yes, it did not recognized nfs |
| 06:37.55 | foreigner_1 | TML, and it will be much worse than this. |
| 06:37.55 | RichardC | spdf: no response for either (through lynx on remoter server).... any other possibilities? im pretty sure its a linksys router... |
| 06:38.00 | Azar | TML, it worked thanks |
| 06:38.14 | Guerin | foreigner_1: how's that going to work if the users of said network provide all their own content? |
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| 06:38.19 | spdf | RichardC, Whats the internal IP of the computer? |
| 06:38.25 | sep | Azar: did it say nfs not a recognised command, then you typed it wrong. |
| 06:38.27 | Guerin | Azar: ok. Now let's talk about root passwords. |
| 06:38.30 | RichardC | heh, dunno, how do i check? |
| 06:38.31 | TML | foreigner_1: Wrong, because I'll always have my linux box |
| 06:38.39 | Azar | ok |
| 06:38.53 | Guerin | Azar: what's yours? |
| 06:38.54 | Guerin | :) |
| 06:38.58 | foreigner_1 | Guerin, they won't be allowed to even install linux at all...already the kernel has been infected by big interests that have secretly put DRM code in it. |
| 06:38.59 | Guerin | Azar: but seriously. |
| 06:39.01 | TML | foreigner_1: And I don't need to access "the net" if all the useful information is available on said coast-to-coast wireless mesh network |
| 06:39.11 | Guerin | Azar: do you know how to make strong passwords? |
| 06:39.17 | Azar | I setup root passwords something like min 10 characters : e5%Tv@9yAV0*f |
| 06:39.20 | TML | foreigner_1: So write your own OS |
| 06:39.22 | spdf | RichardC, Do like.. netstat -r, whats the default gateway? |
| 06:39.25 | Azar | is that password strong enough? |
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| 06:39.41 | RichardC | alright |
| 06:39.58 | Guerin | Azar: you're not running a sshd now, right? |
| 06:40.08 | spdf | Azar, Make it a phrase, a sentence from a book or soemthing, 16+ chars long.. very easy to remember |
| 06:40.08 | foreigner_1 | TML, i am working on that....but the os without the free hardware will do no good |
| 06:40.09 | Azar | Guerin, no I disabled it |
| 06:40.15 | Azar | I mean |
| 06:40.31 | RichardC | oh well, found the router's ip, but i dont know the password |
| 06:40.32 | Guerin | Azar: disabled it how? |
| 06:40.41 | spdf | RichardC, Is it a linksys? |
| 06:40.46 | Azar | I did /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
| 06:40.48 | RichardC | yes |
| 06:40.56 | Azar | sshd did not work on that formula so I put ssh |
| 06:40.58 | spdf | RichardC, Did you change it from the default? |
| 06:41.05 | RichardC | i would assume he did |
| 06:41.09 | foreigner_1 | Well don't say that i did not warn you....so don't complain to me when you have to learn to eat shit |
| 06:41.14 | Guerin | Azar: ok, that'll start again next boot. |
| 06:41.15 | RichardC | is the default admin, admin? |
| 06:41.20 | spdf | RichardC, Yah |
| 06:41.30 | Azar | Guerin I do not see ssh active right now |
| 06:41.34 | RichardC | yeah, he did |
| 06:41.50 | RichardC | crap, i was hoping to set this up tonight |
| 06:42.04 | RichardC | well, i can get everything besides port 80 open... |
| 06:42.15 | TML | foreigner_1: Sure it will. Just reverse engineer everything. |
| 06:42.22 | spdf | RichardC, It "is" setup. |
| 06:42.34 | Azar | I guess I can try download 2.6.8 kernel now |
| 06:42.44 | RichardC | i need to install php4, mysql, and php4-mysql for php w/ mysql support, right? |
| 06:42.58 | spdf | RichardC, Just access it through localhost for now |
| 06:43.07 | spdf | RichardC, Apache2? |
| 06:43.10 | TML | RichardC: Yes. If you want php in your apache, you need something like libapache-mod-php4 as well |
| 06:43.10 | Guerin | Azar: touch /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 06:43.18 | sep | Azar: i tend to install the kernel-image-2.6-arch, that way you get a held back package when the kernel have a security upgrade |
| 06:43.20 | Guerin | Azar: will disable it permanently |
| 06:43.21 | RichardC | spdf: Apache2 |
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| 06:43.50 | Guerin | foreigner_1: what precisely do you suggest? |
| 06:44.07 | Guerin | foreigner_1: it's not like we don't have a free OS... |
| 06:44.08 | Azar | ok |
| 06:44.19 | Guerin | Azar: now I'll portscan you again. |
| 06:44.37 | Azar | Guerin that simple empty file will stop that? |
| 06:44.43 | spdf | RichardC, libapache2-mod-php4, php4, mysql-server, php4-mysql |
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| 06:44.59 | jetdotnet | my kid likes foreigner 4 |
| 06:45.03 | Azar | yes sep I need to upgrade the kernel I am in the old 2.4.18 since 3 hours ago when I reinstalled |
| 06:45.05 | Guerin | Azar: yes. The startup script checks for the existence of that file, and won't start the sshd if it exists. |
| 06:45.07 | RichardC | nice, apt-get install php4 is setting it up for apache automatically. at least, its installing the libapache-mod-php4 package |
| 06:45.24 | Guerin | Azar: you need to do /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
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| 06:45.32 | Azar | ok |
| 06:45.40 | RichardC | what package do i need to install for mysql? |
| 06:45.45 | RichardC | apt-get install mysql doesnt work |
| 06:45.45 | Guerin | Azar: done? |
| 06:46.03 | Azar | done |
| 06:46.27 | TML | RichardC: Try apt-cache or packages.debian.org |
| 06:46.43 | foreigner_1 | Guerin, you don't man...the big money corporations took linus ideals and infected it with DRM to satisfy their own proprietary hardware considerations....you must free the hardware from the corporations and get a clean kernel of some kind |
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| 06:47.00 | Guerin | Azar: ok. Now you only have 13 and 113 open. Figure those out and you're locked up tighter than the proverbial nun's ... |
| 06:47.02 | TML | foreigner_1: Stop trolling |
| 06:47.07 | spdf | foreigner_1, How do you sleep at night? |
| 06:47.12 | Guerin | foreigner_1: give over. |
| 06:47.14 | Azar | ok looking at them] |
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| 06:47.52 | Dewi | SECRET DRM CODE?! |
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| 06:47.56 | Dewi | let him back in, I need to know more |
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| 06:48.05 | caphuso | damn, this /rm alias isn't working as expected |
| 06:48.16 | Nigel | caphuso: you need to add a : |
| 06:48.20 | TML | caphuso: Why is debhelper setting +l when we have a +J? |
| 06:48.28 | Dewi | caphuso: I bet you're in league with the guys secretly infecting the kernel with DRM code |
| 06:48.43 | Dewi | caphuso: why must you shatter our dreams? |
| 06:48.43 | Azar | sunrpc - portmap and inetd - daytime |
| 06:48.54 | caphuso | TML: ask dondelelcaro |
| 06:48.56 | Nigel | caphuso: /remove #debian nick :message over more than one word |
| 06:49.02 | caphuso | Nigel: yeah |
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| 06:49.22 | enigmus | how can VM (emacs mail) possibly tell me that: "crash box ~/Mail/INBOX.CRASH's type is unrecognized"??? it created it itself |
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| 06:49.41 | Nigel | why does l.d.o have to sign up for all the spam emails :P |
| 06:49.52 | Azar | so Guerin those are ok to stay? |
| 06:51.31 | johnnybe1ak | hey guys, I need to setup X i installed from a netinst and it came as a dependancy of gnome, how do I set it up? |
| 06:51.49 | streuner | john: what videocard do you have? |
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| 06:51.58 | directhex | !set up x |
| 06:51.59 | dpkg | well, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 06:51.59 | streuner | johnnybe1ak: ^^ |
| 06:52.50 | johnnybe1ak | is dpkg the bot |
| 06:53.01 | TML | johnnybe1ak: dpkg is *a* bot, yes |
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| 06:53.07 | Dewi | caphuso: that guy was the most entertaining thing ever to occur in #debian. now what am I going to do for the rest of today? |
| 06:53.14 | johnnybe1ak | TML: how many have you got :) |
| 06:53.24 | TML | johnnybe1ak: apt, debhelper, and dpkg that I know of. |
| 06:53.27 | caphuso | Dewi: that's entertainment to you? |
| 06:53.41 | directhex | i've heard much better |
| 06:53.43 | Dewi | caphuso: I'm afraid so. I'm still laughing. I think something is wrong with my brain |
| 06:53.55 | Dewi | caphuso: it's possible corporations have infected my brain with DRM or something |
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| 06:54.13 | directhex | the "windows xp 64 bit edition is based on the 64 bit core of unix" argument in #overclockers. i couldn't bear to kickban him, it was so funny to watch |
| 06:54.28 | caphuso | Dewi: hrm... how about banging your head against a wall for a few hours? should be an adequate replacement |
| 06:54.45 | Dewi | caphuso: good idea :D |
| 06:54.55 | TML | Or maybe just give yourself a lobotomy. |
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| 06:56.38 | Dewi | TML: come on. that guy's rantings could form the plot of an edgy new conspiracy-theory-themed TV series. you can't tell me you wouldn't watch it. |
| 06:57.18 | Dewi | it's like the X-Files meets a Stallman essay. Thrilling stuff. |
| 06:57.29 | streuner | Don't tell that all kind of people, people could belive that :-), i. e. tell people foo distro is better without reason, some of them believe it... ;-) |
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| 06:58.02 | Drakul | please help me... which is the ps/2 mouse port? |
| 06:58.09 | streuner | /dev/psaux |
| 06:58.15 | Dewi | Drakul: ... the green one |
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| 06:58.21 | Dewi | okay, I'll stop trolling... NOW. |
| 06:58.23 | Dewi | see you guys later. |
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| 06:58.46 | Drakul | thanks... |
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| 06:59.41 | TML | Drakul: I'm curious...which answer was the one you were looking for? /dev/psaux, or "the green one"? |
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| 07:01.35 | streuner | TML: i thought 'mouse' is already connected... ;-) |
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| 07:07.01 | rue_mohr | !find slattach |
| 07:07.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'slattach' (1): (/sbin/slattach) in net/net-tools. |
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| 07:08.19 | rue_mohr | cool |
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| 07:09.59 | jimi | hahaha "The chat server irc.debian.org, which is semi-famous for its hostile stance towards users who fail to first RTFM" |
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| 07:10.30 | davut | hi |
| 07:10.48 | davut | I have been using debian testing before the release of sarge |
| 07:11.05 | davut | should I do some tweak with my sources.list now |
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| 07:11.15 | davut | I still wanna use testing branch |
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| 07:11.24 | streuner | !upgrade tests |
| 07:11.25 | dpkg | Upgrade Tests - It is recommended to read the release notes before upgrading, and in particular Chapter 4 <release notes>, "Upgrades from previous releases". upgrade report template to help when reporting problems with the upgrades (http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html). If you do run into problems please fill it out, and email it to submit@bugs.debian.org, thanks. |
| 07:11.25 | davut | when ý did apt-get update |
| 07:11.43 | alum | #debian-boot |
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| 07:11.50 | jimi | etch hasnt been released i dont think |
| 07:11.56 | streuner | davut: no, just leave it - its ok then |
| 07:12.03 | davut | streuner, |
| 07:12.15 | Azar | the new kernel 2.6.8 upgrade from 2.4.18 is asking if symbolic link to initrd.img should be created ( after installation I will configure lilo anyways to have initrd image) should I say yes? |
| 07:12.19 | jonhaug | I am new to #debian, so my questions may seem out of place. |
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| 07:12.24 | sep | does anyone know if there is a unofficial repository, that contain a package vmware-tools for the kernels in sarge ? if not, is there a guide to how I can package such a beast ? |
| 07:12.25 | peterS | oh wow. I almost have an leet bug report. mine is 313337, which is close to 31337 |
| 07:12.29 | davut | but pt-get update seems failed with security updates and non-us mirrors |
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| 07:12.47 | jimi | peterS: hahah |
| 07:12.55 | Azar | davut non-us no more read the /topic |
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| 07:13.53 | korc | hello. |
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| 07:14.06 | korc | is there any japanese channel for debian? |
| 07:14.15 | sep | jonhaug: if your new, then first read the topic and all the references it makes, and also read /msg dpkg order it will get you a long way, and also help you gain assistance in the channel |
| 07:14.15 | robin_ | I upgrade to sarge. But know I get the following error mails from exim: failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/wait-remote_smpt: File exist |
| 07:14.17 | korc | or for linux |
| 07:14.17 | Azar | hyronically the sarge release text page recommends when preparing for upgrade to insert the "non-us" term in the sources which I did and ofcourse the source did not work |
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| 07:14.41 | jonhaug | thanks sep |
| 07:14.48 | sep | Azar: then you did it wrong |
| 07:15.05 | Azar | yeah I took care to remove the term and rerun the aptitude |
| 07:15.12 | sep | Azar: or misread you |
| 07:15.17 | Azar | !jp |
| 07:15.18 | dpkg | it has been said that jp is Japan |
| 07:15.26 | jm_ | robin_sz: check BTS |
| 07:15.27 | Azar | um the jp debian channel |
| 07:15.36 | davut | Azar, |
| 07:15.49 | davut | so should I remove non-US mirrors |
| 07:15.52 | robin_ | jm_: ok |
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| 07:16.10 | peterS | davut: yeah, non-us basically is no more |
| 07:16.13 | enigmus | how can VM (emacs mail) possibly tell me that: "crash box ~/Mail/INBOX.CRASH's type is unrecognized"??? it created it itself |
| 07:16.15 | korc | Azar: you know something about it? ;) |
| 07:16.26 | alum | Hi, i want customize debian-installer CD image with my own kernel (2.6). Where can i found sources of kernel and .config? |
| 07:16.27 | jimi | should i be using bitchx, or is there something better? |
| 07:16.36 | peterS | enigmus: read INBOX.CRASH for yourself and decide whether it looks like an mbox. these things are plain text after all |
| 07:16.38 | sep | jimi: irssi-text |
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| 07:16.56 | sep | jimi: also /msg dpkg better |
| 07:16.57 | Azar | my bad it was this link included in release notes: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US |
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| 07:17.29 | Azar | kork I was just trying to ask the bot but it seems no, no japanese Debian channel |
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| 07:17.37 | jimi | sep: cheers |
| 07:17.38 | davut | Azar, |
| 07:17.43 | Azar | davut |
| 07:17.45 | davut | I get this error |
| 07:17.47 | davut | Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 07:17.49 | davut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.52 | Azar | only the "non-us" term inside the link |
| 07:17.53 | korc | Azar: thnx ;) seems that there aren't many japanese-speaking debian users then... |
| 07:17.57 | davut | is the site down |
| 07:18.09 | sep | davut: are you going to run testing/etch or stable/sarge ? if testing, then you have to remove that line |
| 07:18.13 | jimi | use ftp |
| 07:18.19 | Azar | like ../debian-non-us/ should just become /debian/... |
| 07:18.24 | enigmus | peterS: well it does look like one, it doesn't start with a From: though. |
| 07:18.34 | davut | sep, I wanna use testing |
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| 07:18.41 | peterS | enigmus: it should start with an envelope from, i.e. "From " |
| 07:18.55 | sep | davut: then remove that line from sources.list , there is no security for testing |
| 07:19.10 | davut | sep, u r wrong I think |
| 07:19.27 | davut | I used to do security updates with this sources.list file |
| 07:19.31 | Azar | davut for example ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian-non-US/ should now be ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 07:19.33 | jimi | there used to be security for the old testing (sarge) but no more |
| 07:19.57 | sep | davut: that was a intermidiant solution before the release of sarge, not valid anymore, |
| 07:20.05 | davut | hmm ok |
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| 07:20.15 | enigmus | peterS: in my INBOX, they start with "From VM Mon Jun 13 00:30:44 2005", but here VM didn't put it |
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| 07:20.33 | davut | my machine is a mail-server so I need to get it stable |
| 07:20.34 | jimi | Azar: where is that au server located? |
| 07:20.35 | Azar | davut to eliminate any confusion now you can use either "stable" for Sarge or "testing" for etch |
| 07:20.41 | peterS | enigmus: does INBOX.CRASH have useful email in it that you don't have in your inbox? |
| 07:20.47 | peterS | enigmus: I mean, if it doesn't, just delete it |
| 07:20.50 | Azar | jimi au is Austria |
| 07:20.50 | sep | davut: why do you need testing then ? i'd run sarge if i was you |
| 07:21.00 | davut | yes I will run sarrge |
| 07:21.14 | Azar | jimi sorry au is Australia |
| 07:21.28 | sep | davut: then put sarge in your sources.list and you have security also |
| 07:21.41 | enigmus | peterS: I tried to do that. but VM keeps creating a .CRASH whenever a new mail arrive |
| 07:21.48 | alum | Well, i found some howto, thx. anyway. |
| 07:21.50 | Azuk | i want where can i get a good sourceslist for knoppix distributions |
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| 07:22.02 | jimi | azur:ahh ok, yeah im in canberra australia, im just wondering if i should use that mirror |
| 07:22.09 | peterS | enigmus: yeah, it does that as a precaution so as not to lose mail. you're saying it *keeps* writing these files and then being unable to read them? |
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| 07:22.19 | enigmus | peterS: yes |
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| 07:23.13 | Azar | jimi pick whatever mirror you want here but do NOT use the word "non-us" just ignore and use the mirror without it: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US |
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| 07:23.23 | kjparker | probably a stupid question, but is there anyway to mave back to sarge or etch, once you have gone to sid? |
| 07:23.40 | kjparker | rebuilding this machine is not a problem, just want to know if it's possible? |
| 07:23.44 | Azar | kjparker no, just a clean reinstall will do |
| 07:23.47 | Mage\work | no |
| 07:23.47 | peterS | kjparker: downgrades are not supported, never have been |
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| 07:24.04 | kjparker | it's only a test machine anyway, might leave it there... |
| 07:24.04 | peterS | kjparker: but you can switch your sources.list and eventually etch will catch up to your current installed versions of stuff |
| 07:24.35 | jimi | i know this is probably off topic, but has anyone here done any design using xtUML? |
| 07:25.09 | kjparker | nah, that was the first machine I built with debian, I probably should rebuild it... there are many badly configured/done things on there..... |
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| 07:25.19 | kithylin | hey guys |
| 07:25.46 | kithylin | i just installed x-window-core from apt-get, but i can't figure out where on the system the "plugins" folder is for the defualt firefox |
| 07:25.51 | kithylin | any help is appericated |
| 07:26.46 | kithylin | anyone here ? |
| 07:26.52 | kithylin | /ping $chan |
| 07:26.55 | kithylin | O.o |
| 07:26.55 | kjparker | nope :) |
| 07:27.00 | kithylin | used to mIRC >.< |
| 07:27.25 | kjparker | try x-chat |
| 07:27.31 | kithylin | i'm in it atm |
| 07:27.31 | Gnea | !mirc |
| 07:27.31 | dpkg | mirc is, like, http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html |
| 07:27.34 | peterS | yeah, don't ping the channel |
| 07:27.37 | peterS | we get really annoyed by that |
| 07:27.38 | jimi | "/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins" |
| 07:27.41 | kithylin | oh |
| 07:27.50 | Gnea | kithylin: firefox is a separate package |
| 07:27.52 | peterS | I mean if you send a real CTCP PING |
| 07:27.52 | kithylin | i just wanted to gauge how laggy i am, usually ping everyone to get an idea |
| 07:28.05 | Gnea | kithylin: that's fine elsewhere, but not here. |
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| 07:28.22 | kithylin | gnea: Nope, when i downloaded x-window-core, it came with it |
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| 07:28.44 | kithylin | probly cause i'm using unstable/testing mirrors and have modern packages >.< |
| 07:28.54 | kpanic | hey guys, is reiserfs4 ok for a storage service with LOTS of BIG files? or there is a better filesystem? thanks |
| 07:29.14 | nomed^ | how should i use pmount-hal .. and should it populete media dir? (i made a link in /etc/hal/device.d/ --> /usr/bin/pmount-hal) .. |
| 07:29.27 | Gnea | kithylin: wait - you said you installed x-window-system-core and it installed firefox? |
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| 07:29.35 | kithylin | gnea: YES |
| 07:29.43 | Gnea | kithylin: and yet you can't run it? |
| 07:29.48 | kithylin | or was it xfce4 |
| 07:29.50 | kithylin | i can run it fine |
| 07:29.50 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 07:30.03 | kithylin | i just want to find the plugins folder, so i can put in the java plugin >.< |
| 07:30.05 | Gnea | your original question must've been truncated then :/ |
| 07:30.19 | nomed^ | i was thinking it should generates entries in media dir .. but this doesn't happen .. |
| 07:30.24 | nomed^ | any suggestions? |
| 07:30.24 | b33r | kpanic: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 07:30.27 | Gnea | ok, we're not illiterate, we know a period when we see it... |
| 07:30.38 | jimi | kithylin: "/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins" |
| 07:30.48 | kithylin | Thank you so very much |
| 07:30.51 | Gnea | kithylin: try ~/.mozilla/ |
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| 07:31.11 | jimi | updatedb && locate plugins | grep mozilla |
| 07:31.25 | Gnea | nice |
| 07:31.26 | kithylin | Found it |
| 07:31.29 | wordless | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.35 | kithylin | jimi found it |
| 07:31.45 | kithylin | now let's see if java works |
| 07:31.45 | wordless | After I login through X, there is a black "X" cursor on the center of my screen. |
| 07:31.48 | jimi | hahaha i love you too |
| 07:31.59 | wordless | and I have no idea how to get rid of it. |
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| 07:32.09 | wordless | somedays ago when I drag some window, that "X" will disappear. |
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| 07:32.27 | wordless | but now, after an "apt-get upgrade", that does not work any more. |
| 07:32.43 | kpanic | b33r, thanks! |
| 07:33.06 | wordless | anybody please help me? |
| 07:33.21 | Guerin | Azar: back. Both time (13) and ident (113) are enabled in inetd.conf. Comment them out and restart inetd, if you haven't already. |
| 07:33.33 | kithylin | w00t |
| 07:33.35 | kithylin | java works! |
| 07:33.40 | Azar | upgrading the kernel from 2.4.18 to the precompiled 2.6.8 installation stops and asks: Installing from scratch, eh? .... Do you want me to create a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-k7 to initrd.img? ( I will update lilo anyways after installation is done) should I say Yes? |
| 07:33.44 | jimi | wordless: are u using a window manager like kde or windowmaker? |
| 07:33.47 | Guerin | Azar: with no open ports, your box should be impossible to root without your direct intervention. |
| 07:34.06 | Guerin | !famous last words |
| 07:34.06 | dpkg | from memory, flw29 is <resiak> Starfury^: You _never_ need to reinstall a well-kept Debian system. |
| 07:34.07 | Azar | Guerin, :) I only have two ports left open |
| 07:34.16 | Guerin | Azar: it only takes one to root you. |
| 07:34.20 | wordless | jimi: I am using gnome, metacity |
| 07:34.20 | kjparker | could somebody please be kind enough to do a port scan for me? |
| 07:34.29 | kithylin | wordless: the black "x" is there with usually a cross-hatch backgrind behind it, because you either have no window manager loaded, or your in the process of loading your window manager, and it hasn't completed yet |
| 07:34.39 | kithylin | background, not grind :P |
| 07:34.40 | jimi | hey do the benifits of using etch outway the downfalls of no security updates??? |
| 07:34.44 | Azar | portmap and daytime |
| 07:34.49 | kjparker | i want to verify my fw doesn't have any open ports i don't know about |
| 07:34.57 | wordless | kithylin: But I have a window manager |
| 07:35.05 | kithylin | wordless: which one ? |
| 07:35.06 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 07:35.09 | Azar | instaling new kernel.. |
| 07:35.25 | Guerin | jimi: only you can decide that. |
| 07:35.29 | wordless | gnome, metacity |
| 07:35.37 | Gnea | jimi: who said etch doesn't have security updates? |
| 07:35.39 | kithylin | ah |
| 07:35.44 | kithylin | knot sure, i don't use gnome |
| 07:35.53 | kithylin | uses too much memory, over 120mb just to open it |
| 07:35.59 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:36.07 | Gnea | yeah gnome's a hog |
| 07:36.08 | jimi | Gnea: i thought the security team only respond to stable issues |
| 07:36.09 | craigevil | jimi: half of the time when there are security bullitens, the apps in testicng and sid are already updated |
| 07:36.10 | Gnea | and kde |
| 07:36.12 | Guerin | Gnea: it doesn't. |
| 07:36.13 | kithylin | xfce is alot lighter :) |
| 07:36.26 | yoo | in which package can i find this libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.5.so.3 ? please |
| 07:36.41 | Guerin | !find libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.5.so.3 |
| 07:36.46 | kithylin | yoo: apt-cache search gtk2 |
| 07:36.46 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:36.51 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.5.so.3' returned no results. |
| 07:36.58 | Guerin | yoo: not in debian. |
| 07:37.00 | Gnea | it used to be that security updates from stable would work on testing as long as the severity level was high enough |
| 07:37.04 | Gnea | is that changed? |
| 07:37.05 | yoo | ok |
| 07:37.10 | floppyears | hi |
| 07:37.18 | caphuso | Gnea: uh, no |
| 07:37.18 | Guerin | Gnea: that was never officially the case. |
| 07:37.31 | floppyears | is there a way to keep track of the packages installed removed, upgraded etc using apt ? |
| 07:37.36 | jimi | craigevil: really? i may just have to upgrade then |
| 07:37.38 | Gnea | kithylin: i prefer E17 myself. got xfce on this thinclient.. it's ok, but there's next to no functionality |
| 07:37.43 | Guerin | floppyears: use aptitude; it keeps logs. |
| 07:37.51 | Gnea | caphuso: oh? |
| 07:37.59 | caphuso | the new dpkg in sid keeps logs too |
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| 07:38.03 | craigevil | suppossedly there will be sec updates for etch, but noone knows when |
| 07:38.11 | Guerin | caphuso: whee, really? |
| 07:38.14 | floppyears | Guerin: is there any way to do it without using aptitude, just using straight apt ? |
| 07:38.17 | caphuso | Guerin: yeah |
| 07:38.35 | Guerin | floppyears: what caphuso said. But you SHOULD use aptitude. |
| 07:38.45 | SocketERR | how do i kill a zombie process, without rebooting? |
| 07:38.56 | craigevil | floppyears instead of typing apt-get just type aptitude install packagename |
| 07:38.57 | Guerin | SocketERR: kill whatever it's waiting on. |
| 07:38.57 | jimi | Guerin: whats wrong with using straight apt-get? |
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| 07:39.10 | Guerin | jimi: in floppyears's case, it doesn't log. |
| 07:39.28 | kithylin | i just use apt-cache and apt-get for everything |
| 07:39.38 | kithylin | apptitude doesn't always show everything, i've found |
| 07:39.41 | jimi | Guerin: does it have any other advantages? |
| 07:39.45 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 07:39.45 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude was a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 07:39.47 | korc | kithylin: no, you can't. |
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| 07:39.55 | Guerin | jimi: yes, and some disadvantages. |
| 07:40.01 | kithylin | korc: i can't what ? |
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| 07:40.19 | korc | kithylin: you can't uninstall packages with automatic uninstall of unused libraries, for example;) |
| 07:40.21 | floppyears | do you guys use aptitude ? |
| 07:40.35 | sep | floppyears: ofcouse. |
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| 07:40.37 | floppyears | most of the places where I read on the net, they usually refer to apt-get yada yada |
| 07:40.42 | korc | or to use it to find packages, which for example depend only on libgtk2, and contain work 'gnutella' |
| 07:40.44 | Guerin | i do, now. I was a die-hard apt-* for ages, but I decided to change and see what broke. |
| 07:40.48 | korc | s/work/word |
| 07:40.58 | floppyears | are there any other advantages to using aptitude ? |
| 07:41.00 | liable | kjparker: looks ok. |
| 07:41.04 | Guerin | floppyears: see above. |
| 07:41.16 | keta | isn't aptitude the recomended tool in atm stable? |
| 07:41.21 | Guerin | keta: yes. |
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| 07:41.25 | korc | floppyears: aptitude search is quite powerful. not even comparable to apt-cache |
| 07:41.38 | kjparker | thanks liable |
| 07:41.40 | korc | well.. not as powerful as I would like it to be.. but well.. good enough;) |
| 07:41.45 | keta | so shut up and use it! :) |
| 07:42.04 | floppyears | Guerin: thanks, I had missed it |
| 07:42.12 | kithylin | i was trained on apt-get when someone recently converted me to debian, i don't want to convert to apptitude yet >.< |
| 07:42.26 | peterS | kithylin: use aptitude exactly the way you use apt-get. nothing to learn (: |
| 07:42.32 | peterS | kithylin: 'aptitude install foo' etc. |
| 07:42.34 | keta | kithylin: it's not such an heavy conversion |
| 07:42.41 | Azar | hmm this is new, shutdown -h now will only wait for me to phisically use the button |
| 07:42.47 | korc | kithylin: it's basically apt-get on steroids. so no fears, it command-line interface is almost the same. |
| 07:42.50 | keta | kithylin: command line options are basically the same of apt-get |
| 07:42.51 | floppyears | thank you guys |
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| 07:43.04 | kithylin | i ran apptitude when i tried indiviual package selection in debian core setup |
| 07:43.24 | kithylin | it was a big menu-driven thingy, that let you pick different packages, which all looked like standard-issue OS packages |
| 07:43.30 | kithylin | i saw no search function |
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| 07:43.42 | rezza | is there a way to use apt to delete config files for packages that have already been removed without reinstalling the package first |
| 07:43.43 | nevyn | try / |
| 07:43.52 | keta | kithylin: yep aptitude has also a ui |
| 07:43.52 | nevyn | rezza: --purge? |
| 07:44.05 | Guerin | aptitude search, aptitude remove, aptitude update, aptitude purge ... it's all same same same |
| 07:44.13 | rezza | nevyn: --purge just says "no such package installed" or something along those lines |
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| 07:44.23 | Guerin | rezza: dpkg -P packagename |
| 07:44.24 | enigmus | peterS: hmm. the problem was that procmail was called by fetchmail without -d %T ... |
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| 07:45.29 | kithylin | yay |
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| 07:45.41 | kithylin | someone's bugging me in private message about how to install software on knoppix |
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| 07:45.51 | kithylin | Made my day, stupidest thing i've heard all year :P |
| 07:45.58 | Guerin | !prize kithylin |
| 07:46.02 | Azar | Guerin |
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| 07:46.06 | craigevil | tell them to RTFM |
| 07:46.12 | Azar | I rebooted I see 3 processes listening |
| 07:46.13 | kithylin | heh |
| 07:46.16 | rezza | Guerin: thanks |
| 07:46.22 | Guerin | kithylin: wow, if that's the stupidest thing you've heard all year, you should spend about 10 minutes in #debian |
| 07:46.24 | Azar | portmap, daytime and auth |
| 07:46.26 | kithylin | Not even, i told em there's no point |
| 07:46.34 | Azar | how can I disable them? |
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| 07:46.45 | Guerin | Azar: i told you how to disable daytime and auth |
| 07:46.49 | kithylin | why install software, or make core changes at all to a read-only OS >.< |
| 07:46.52 | gruad | sarge installer can't find my cd-rom drive when using kernel 2.6 ? |
| 07:46.53 | Azar | Guerin how? |
| 07:47.01 | Azar | they are inetd |
| 07:47.10 | Guerin | Azar: comment them in inetd.conf |
| 07:47.13 | kithylin | gruad: get an atapi-compatable cd-rom drive, and try again |
| 07:47.21 | craigevil | You can if you set a persistent home dir on your HD or soemthing like a Flash drive |
| 07:47.24 | Guerin | Azar: as for the other, aptitude purge portmap |
| 07:47.42 | floppyears | wow aptitude is awesome |
| 07:47.46 | Azar | ok |
| 07:47.47 | floppyears | thank you guys for pointing it out |
| 07:47.48 | gruad | kithylin: it is atapi compatible i have this in dmesg: "ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe" |
| 07:47.49 | djp | hi all. i am wanting to install debian. however i have a few questions that i would like help with. first, i have 2 hard disks. both are 80gb in size. how best should i partition these? i was going to use the second drive as my /home. however, it seems silly to give the whole 1st drive over to debian when by default it seems to only require 7gb? is it possible (would it be a good idea) to use the default 7gb for debian, 1.6 for the |
| 07:47.55 | jonhaug | kithylin: actually the laptop I am sitting on now runs knoppix because no other OS could be installed when I got it |
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| 07:48.25 | Penguin | lol, 大家好。第一次æ¥ã€‚多多照顾 |
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| 07:48.29 | jonhaug | kithylin: I use it just like an ordinary Debian, however I feel tied |
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| 07:48.32 | floppyears | djp: I would go with the default it is easy to change or move things around later on to bigger partitions |
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| 07:48.44 | craigevil | 7gb i have over 14gb used on my desktop |
| 07:48.50 | noyb | wow... lot of people here. due to the new release? |
| 07:48.50 | Guerin | djp: give about 50MB to /boot, 5G to / and use the rest of one for home... you can mount the other as /data or use lvm |
| 07:48.53 | sep | djp: you can lvm them or even better raid1 them for security, or if your not concerned with that raid0 them for performance |
| 07:48.59 | Guerin | noyb: this is normal |
| 07:49.03 | stouset | noyb: Always a lot of people here. |
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| 07:49.16 | stouset | noyb: Due to Debian being more popular than Fedora and Mandrake ;) |
| 07:49.30 | noyb | hehe |
| 07:49.39 | djp | sep: how do i go about using raid? |
| 07:49.40 | Azar | Guerin, /etc/init.d/daytime stop daytime: no such file or directory |
| 07:49.42 | noyb | Mandrivel... |
| 07:49.43 | stouset | And Ubuntu, apparently. |
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| 07:49.46 | stouset | All combined. |
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| 07:49.51 | liable | and 600 peolple that leave irssi running on there servers |
| 07:49.57 | stouset | liable: Haha. |
| 07:49.58 | Guerin | Azar: it's in INETD for fuck's sakes |
| 07:50.09 | jonhaug | kithylin: why did you get prizes and beers? |
| 07:50.11 | sep | djp: as everything else, you read the docs and seach on google. |
| 07:50.12 | kithylin | what's issri ? |
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| 07:50.19 | sep | djp the install manual is a nice place to start |
| 07:50.28 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 07:50.28 | dpkg | irssi-text is, like, probably the best IRC client |
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| 07:50.33 | djp | sep: yeah i have that. will search for raid |
| 07:50.37 | stouset | So, quick IRC question. Is there any practical reason that IRC servers do an IDENT query before logging in? I wonder, because it always makes logging in to an IRC server take around a minute, rather than a few seconds. |
| 07:50.38 | kithylin | nope |
| 07:50.45 | kithylin | best irc client is BitchX, IMHO\ |
| 07:50.51 | stouset | !bitchx |
| 07:50.51 | dpkg | methinks bitchx is a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages |
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| 07:51.13 | Guerin | bx is insecure as a bastard |
| 07:51.18 | craigevil | xchat and gaim work well for me |
| 07:51.24 | stouset | craigevil: I second gaim. |
| 07:51.26 | kithylin | same here |
| 07:51.26 | richie086 | im a irssi user myself |
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| 07:51.30 | kithylin | i 3rd gaim |
| 07:51.34 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:51.37 | floppyears | Guerin: why ? |
| 07:51.38 | kithylin | version me if you wonder what i run |
| 07:51.40 | Guerin | gaim is an appalling irc client |
| 07:51.47 | richie086 | aggreed |
| 07:51.51 | craigevil | why? |
| 07:52.04 | Guerin | it sends unknown /commands to channel |
| 07:52.05 | floppyears | irssi + screen rocks |
| 07:52.13 | richie086 | whats screen? |
| 07:52.14 | stouset | Guerin: gaim is a "good enough" IRC client. Especially considering it's already open and combines AIM/IRC/ICQ/MSN/Yahoo and more =P |
| 07:52.15 | bandit_coy | zwhy |
| 07:52.17 | floppyears | Guerin: oh, I didn't know that |
| 07:52.23 | stouset | Guerin: Which ones? |
| 07:52.25 | sep | stouset: historical reasons, |
| 07:52.29 | Guerin | so if you type /nsg nickserv identify badgers; you just told everyone your password |
| 07:52.35 | bandit_coy | oh yeah |
| 07:52.38 | gruad | anyone else had problems installing with IDE-cd and SATA-hd ? |
| 07:52.40 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:52.42 | korts | last time i tried gaim didn't handle multiple charsets properly... |
| 07:52.43 | stouset | Guerin: It doesn't. |
| 07:52.47 | bandit_coy | i |
| 07:52.52 | Guerin | gaim is obsolete when you have bitlbee |
| 07:52.55 | Azar | Guerin daytime was #commented out but still running |
| 07:52.56 | bandit_coy | when |
| 07:52.59 | si|vercat | when I install/remove a kernel image, what grub-command is automatically run afterwards? |
| 07:53.02 | bandit_coy | why |
| 07:53.05 | Azar | auth still runing |
| 07:53.11 | stouset | Guerin: By default, gaim doesn't pass through unrecognized slash-commands. |
| 07:53.14 | liable | Azar: in what file? |
| 07:53.18 | jm_ | si|vercat: man update-grub |
| 07:53.22 | stouset | Guerin: As of a few months ago. |
| 07:53.23 | Guerin | stouset: that's been changed since last I used it, then. |
| 07:53.24 | Azar | in inetd.conf |
| 07:53.35 | si|vercat | jm_: thanks :P |
| 07:53.40 | stouset | Guerin: Which was awhile ago, by the sounds of it :-) |
| 07:53.48 | jm_ | si|vercat: also see kernel-img.conf man page |
| 07:53.55 | liable | Azar: is inetd running it or xinetd |
| 07:54.06 | stouset | Guerin: Not to mention, authenticating to nickserv can be automated anyways. |
| 07:54.08 | Azar | inetd |
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| 07:54.21 | liable | Azar: restart inetd |
| 07:54.53 | djp | ok, these are questions that i have found hard to answer with google or the manual! what is exim4 and what do i need to do to configure it if at all? i have read the manual but still am not sure what i am meant to do with it. i only want to retrieve email using imap with my provider. i have an adsl connection. do i only need to activate local delivery only. this is what i have presumed i should do but would like clarification. |
| 07:55.00 | Azar | thanks |
| 07:55.10 | stouset | djp: You can safely uninstall it. |
| 07:55.24 | Meltir_ | hi ppl. ive just upgraded to etch, and mozilla-thunderbird seems to be working differently. starting with mozilla-thunderbird does nothing - no errors, but when '-mail' is appended it goes on ok. is this some known change, or is it a bug ? ive checked the changelog but nothing like this is mentioned there.... |
| 07:55.24 | opqdonut | do any of the prebuilt kernel images have sata support? |
| 07:55.27 | Guerin | Azar: put the output of grep -v ^# /etc/inetd.conf on a paster someplace |
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| 07:55.30 | valdyn | djp: exim4 is a mail transfer agent, you *should* have one on your system |
| 07:55.33 | stouset | djp: It's there for POSIX compliance only, which dictates that you should have an SMTP server to relay mail from locally. |
| 07:55.37 | liable | Azar: install xinetd too. |
| 07:55.42 | dom | !exim4 |
| 07:55.42 | dpkg | somebody said exim4 was an easy to configure and also powerfull MTA licensed under the GPL, a great sendmail replacement. apt-get able debs for woody are available at http://www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler/debian/exim4manpages/, or set to have ident checking on by default, which will slow down connect times drastically. See /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options for the fix |
| 07:55.43 | Guerin | liable: no. |
| 07:55.51 | liable | Guerin: why not? |
| 07:55.53 | stouset | djp: And is, in the case of workstations, probably not needed. |
| 07:55.56 | Azar | Guerin, I wrote down all the notes you showed me |
| 07:56.00 | Guerin | liable: his goal is to run NO SERVICES |
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| 07:56.08 | liable | right |
| 07:56.09 | Azar | liable I was rooted |
| 07:56.13 | Guerin | Azar: you can probably remove inetd entirely, come to think of it. |
| 07:56.14 | Azar | so no more services on |
| 07:56.15 | netman1 | djp: exim4 = mta. Only need it on server or if you run your own mail- dns domain. |
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| 07:56.19 | opqdonut | Azar: ouch. how? |
| 07:56.24 | SocketERR | how i have to correct the logical or?: `cat file | grep (foo|bar)` |
| 07:56.27 | stouset | Guerin: Can't remove inetd. |
| 07:56.28 | valdyn | netman1: bullshit |
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| 07:56.30 | Azar | for stupid I am cant understand firewall |
| 07:56.31 | sep | djp: your local only selection sould ok in your case, |
| 07:56.32 | stouset | Guerin: It's required by netbase. |
| 07:56.32 | Guerin | netman1: no, all unix boxen need a mta to relay local mail. |
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| 07:56.40 | Guerin | stouset: oh, ok. |
| 07:56.50 | period | azar: put more numbers into your root pass, minium requirements for root pass is 16 characters |
| 07:56.51 | opqdonut | SocketERR: put single quotes around the (foo|bar) |
| 07:56.53 | Azar | so I got bruteforce scanned and in a final screwed |
| 07:57.03 | djp | stouset: so should i choose not to configure at install, correct? |
| 07:57.15 | simonrvn | being scanned != r00ted |
| 07:57.20 | valdyn | djp: configure it to only deliver local mail |
| 07:57.23 | Guerin | stouset: egrep 'foo|bar' file |
| 07:57.28 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:57.31 | Guerin | SocketERR: ^^^ |
| 07:57.33 | sep | djp: local delivery (the default) is what you should use. |
| 07:57.34 | Azar | period my rule of thumb on passes minimum 10 characters and look like Fg#a7%vB3*s |
| 07:57.37 | jm_ | or grep -E |
| 07:57.45 | stouset | djp: Yes, and then purge it afterwards if it really irks you. However, you can also just use the workstation config option that it gives you. |
| 07:57.48 | jethro | good morning |
| 07:57.51 | Azar | it looks like I was scanned all day yesterday and I had no clue |
| 07:58.01 | Guerin | stouset: no. A MTA IS NECESSARY. |
| 07:58.02 | djp | valdyn: ok. that is what i had thought to do. |
| 07:58.03 | SocketERR | opqdonut, ('foo'|'bar') dosent work. i think the '|' habe to be escaped for bash!? |
| 07:58.05 | Guerin | christ. |
| 07:58.05 | period | azar: my root pass on my main server at home has 128 ascii characters in it, then 128 alpha-numeric |
| 07:58.07 | djp | stouset: thanks |
| 07:58.12 | Azar | simonrnv, obviously someone succeeded |
| 07:58.13 | period | azar: i haev never been rooted |
| 07:58.16 | valdyn | djp: and *dont* remove it, cron and various other programs cannot function completely w/o an mta |
| 07:58.19 | Guerin | period: too much work. |
| 07:58.31 | simonrvn | being scanned != r00ted |
| 07:58.34 | opqdonut | SocketERR: i meant '(foo|bar)' btw you don't need the () and use egrep |
| 07:58.34 | period | copy-paste works fine |
| 07:58.39 | jethro | period: being rooted is not just a matter of good root passwords |
| 07:58.43 | Azar | period the only time I got rooted was 5 or 6 years ago while on Win98 |
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| 07:59.02 | Guerin | i'd say that the LEAST cause of rootation is weak root passwords |
| 07:59.06 | stouset | I'm about to get rooted by my dentist. =\ |
| 07:59.08 | jethro | Guerin: indeed |
| 07:59.10 | SocketERR | opqdonut, oh yes! :) know i understand. thx |
| 07:59.12 | Azar | I wont even install X no more |
| 07:59.12 | opqdonut | Guerin: yup |
| 07:59.12 | period | jethro: Ahhh, back in the cDc days ;) |
| 07:59.23 | Azar | I can surf with links |
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| 07:59.26 | stouset | And sadly, I have to pay him for the privilege. |
| 07:59.27 | Guerin | whee, hometime |
| 07:59.28 | opqdonut | Azar: x isn't a risk if you have -noliten tcp |
| 07:59.35 | jethro | period: I don't know which century you're living in |
| 07:59.41 | simonrvn | less of a risk |
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| 07:59.58 | simonrvn | having large setuid root binaries around is still a risk |
| 08:00.04 | period | surely your familiar with cult of the dead cow and the remote desktop service ;) |
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| 08:00.10 | Azar | opqdonut, I managed to understand woody installation, kernel upgrade, X configuration, nvidia installation and alsa tweaks, but at network I am blind |
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| 08:00.32 | lanchow | i lost my /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice, but i don't know how, maybe when i decided to recompile my kernel. Anyone knows how to reinstall them ? |
| 08:00.35 | opqdonut | Azar: read read read is the only solution :) |
| 08:00.37 | Azar | now the more packages I get the more afraid I am |
| 08:00.44 | jethro | period: are we talking about being rooterd or are we talking some loosy windows desktop running some sub7 equivalent? |
| 08:00.45 | craigevil | Azar: Try using Guarddog or Firestarter to setup your firewall |
| 08:00.48 | opqdonut | lanchow: you using udev or devfs? |
| 08:00.50 | floppyears | what does the following line mean ? |
| 08:00.51 | korts | lanchow: try loading mousedev and psaux kernel module |
| 08:00.51 | Azar | opqdonut: I even bought books on networking |
| 08:00.58 | floppyears | aptitude has an interface to the Debian task system |
| 08:00.59 | simonrvn | lanchow: recompilation of a kernel doesn't create /dev files. mknod / MAKEDEV does |
| 08:01.01 | Azar | I simply cant assimilate the terms |
| 08:01.02 | nomed^ | spam -D --> Could not create INET socket on 127.0.0.1:783 ? ((IO::Socket::INET: error) |
| 08:01.02 | period | jethro: getting rooted on windows remotely, old stuff |
| 08:01.08 | djp | ok, final question. i have done a test install, as you have all probably gathered from the above questions! however, for some reason i only have the option of 640x480 and 800x600 for my desktop. on install i did not allow my monitior to be auto detected (i think that was where the option occured) due to having an nvidia graphics driver and being recommended by the install not to use auto detect. i configured manually, chose the nv |
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| 08:01.10 | liable | lanchow: use the debian kernel |
| 08:01.11 | jethro | !pal period |
| 08:01.30 | period | :P |
| 08:01.33 | lanchow | i guess i'm ussing udev |
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| 08:01.49 | nomed^ | what can be the reason for with spamd can't start giving that error? |
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| 08:01.56 | opqdonut | lanchow: then it probably means you don't have mouse support in you kernel. use prebuilt. |
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| 08:02.08 | opqdonut | do any of the prebuilt kernel images have sata support? |
| 08:02.09 | Azar | the more packages, the more processes to popup and try using connection to the net |
| 08:02.09 | korts | devfs helps in sense that any module that founds a device and has a mechanism of registering devfs file entries, gives you an immediate feedback about the devices which are recognized by kernel. |
| 08:02.15 | liable | nomed^: is it in services? |
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| 08:02.26 | niooi | hi |
| 08:02.29 | AciD|Wrk | oi |
| 08:02.33 | opqdonut | lo |
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| 08:02.55 | lanchow | ok, thank you all for help |
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| 08:03.27 | nomed^ | liable, umm how can i check it? :/ |
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| 08:03.57 | netman1 | opqdonut: yes, did 2.6.8 & 11 last saturday, worked like a charm. |
| 08:04.01 | sep | djp /msg dpkg drxx |
| 08:04.13 | liable | nomed^: nm, not appropriate |
| 08:05.08 | liable | nomed^: actually 'cat /etc/services \grep spamd' |
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| 08:05.23 | Gnea | ok, looking for an educated opinion - what's the better DDR ram manufacturer: samsung, infineon or micron? |
| 08:05.37 | liable | s \grep |grep |
| 08:05.42 | nomed^ | liable, yes .. |
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| 08:05.50 | korts | is the 783 port number where spamd is supposed to listen on? or is it where it connects to? |
| 08:06.03 | Gnea | korts: yes |
| 08:06.14 | korts | Gnea: yes what? listen? ;) |
| 08:06.17 | djp | sep: ok. what does that package do? |
| 08:06.34 | sep | djp: what package ? |
| 08:06.58 | Gnea | korts: yes to both heh |
| 08:07.03 | liable | nomed^: did you just apt-get it? |
| 08:07.04 | djp | sep: u said, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 08:07.20 | korts | usually programs fail to listen on port when: 1) somebody is listening on that port already. check output of netstat -tlpn 2) the user privileges don't allow to bind to that port (on unix non-root users with port <1024) |
| 08:07.21 | nomed^ | no .. but i upgraded .. |
| 08:07.30 | liable | meaning |
| 08:07.45 | sep | djp: yes and dpkg told you the command that allow you to reconfigure your xserver, since you complained about low resolution, i assumed that was what you wanted |
| 08:08.02 | Gnea | korts: spamd listens on port 783 so it can connect to itself |
| 08:08.13 | Gnea | ... |
| 08:08.19 | nomed^ | i can't download mail with fetchmail .. and i can't start spamd .. |
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| 08:08.25 | korts | Gnea: so i guess it fails to listen in the first place... ;) |
| 08:08.44 | liable | nomed^: what version of debian |
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| 08:09.12 | korts | otherwise nothing should intervene it connecting to it's own port.. |
| 08:09.28 | djp | sep: i have tried a few times by re-runnung xf86config, but to no avail |
| 08:09.30 | Gnea | korts: iptables :) |
| 08:09.58 | sep | djp: on debian you dont use xf86config, you use the command that dpkg tell you when you /msg dpkg drxx |
| 08:10.03 | korts | Gnea: yea, it's a possibility.. but is there any point to implement iptables on lo interace? ;) |
| 08:10.16 | korts | s/lo/loopback |
| 08:10.18 | djp | sep: sorry, ok |
| 08:10.18 | Gnea | korts: yes, yes there is |
| 08:10.19 | Meltir_ | any known problems with thunderbird lately ? im getting some.... |
| 08:10.25 | nomed^ | liable, sarge ..spamassasin 3.0.4-2 |
| 08:10.29 | sep | djp also since you have been meddeling in the x config files manualy you need to read /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 08:11.01 | liable | nomed^: and it was ok, before an upgrade you say? |
| 08:11.10 | korts | Gnea: for example? |
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| 08:11.23 | nomed^ | yes .. |
| 08:11.44 | liable | nomed^: hmm, check bts or file a bug I guess. |
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| 08:12.08 | liable | s/or/and |
| 08:12.31 | CQ | how can I tell grub to boot from a CDROM drive (hdd) ? |
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| 08:13.13 | sep | CQ: that's usuualy something you do in bios, why not use that ? |
| 08:13.15 | djp | sep: i type /msg dpkg drxx and /msg dpkg xmd5 at the bash prompt both as user and root but it tells me command not found. |
| 08:13.22 | jlj__ | is it possible toconnect a postscript server to debian without running a print server (ie just print locally and not have a server loaded in memory all the time like cupsd) |
| 08:13.24 | liable | CQ: eh, what are trying to do. |
| 08:13.25 | sep | !tell djp about msg |
| 08:13.32 | CQ | the bios just has the boot sequence A/C or C/A |
| 08:13.37 | sep | !tell djp about msgdpkg |
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| 08:13.43 | Gnea | korts: if you drop everything by default and allow only certain things to talk to each other |
| 08:13.49 | CQ | liable boot from a knoppix CD to wipe suse from a machine |
| 08:13.54 | mort | CQ: try smart boot manager, http://vlaadworld.net/archive/grub-0.95-i386-pc+sbootmgr.ext2fs.img |
| 08:13.59 | liable | CQ: do it from bios |
| 08:14.04 | Gnea | ok, looking for an educated opinion - what's the better DDR ram manufacturer: samsung, infineon or micron? |
| 08:14.21 | CQ | liable how if the bios doesn't mention CD Booting? Its a p133 |
| 08:14.30 | liable | CQ: or use a floppy to start the cd drive |
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| 08:15.08 | korts | Gnea: what certain things are you allowing to talk to each other on the loopback interface? with iptables how do you difference those things from each other or from any user-generated packets? |
| 08:15.12 | CQ | can I tell it something like 'boot root=/dev/hdd' ? I just need to get to it once to wipe it. |
| 08:15.20 | djp | sep: apologies... |
| 08:15.32 | Gnea | !tell korts about iptables |
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| 08:15.44 | Gnea | korts: there is a plethora of documentation out there that explains all that :) |
| 08:15.53 | nomed^ | liable, /etc/init.d/portmap start :/ ...i'm sorry .. i think i'm just tyred .. |
| 08:16.02 | sep | djp it's a first for everyone :) |
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| 08:16.33 | Azar | Guerin! |
| 08:16.53 | Azar | gone |
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| 08:17.06 | Azar | ok is it wise to do this? update-rc.d -f inetd remove && /etc/init.d/inetd stop |
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| 08:17.14 | jm_ | no |
| 08:17.25 | CQ | or, is there a single floppy to use to start a deian network install? |
| 08:17.30 | Azar | jm_ ok thanks :) |
| 08:17.34 | liable | Azar: do have any services left running? |
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| 08:18.11 | yoo | Is the variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH is important is important ? |
| 08:18.11 | Azar | liable, no but now I am scared to install any more packages because some could start |
| 08:18.24 | Azar | ..running |
| 08:18.25 | yoo | because she not define in my system |
| 08:18.58 | liable | Azar: you should be ok then. Now get a firewall. |
| 08:18.59 | yoo | and i was a problem with waste |
| 08:19.01 | yoo | waste: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.5.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:19.12 | Azar | aptitude dist-upgrade already wants to to reinstall services I have removed |
| 08:19.23 | yoo | Can i define $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 08:19.24 | craigevil | "Booting from floppy disks and installing using the network" |
| 08:19.24 | craigevil | http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst"Booting from floppy disks and installing using the network" |
| 08:19.24 | craigevil | http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
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| 08:19.36 | liable | CQ: go here, there is a link for floppie images. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:19.42 | Azar | looking at a tutorial |
| 08:20.12 | korts | Gnea: well.. i guess i might check the iptables docs then... again ... |
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| 08:20.25 | liable | Azar: it can upgrade the packages, then just stop them again, if they start after upgrade |
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| 08:20.44 | craigevil | oops sorry |
| 08:20.48 | zOOz_ | hi, maybe someone has ebook: "Absolute Beginner's Guide to C (2nd Edition)" ? |
| 08:21.45 | Azar | I have the book but on the e-book |
| 08:21.53 | Azar | not the e-book |
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| 08:22.48 | Azar | liable I have downloaded the shorewall but I am not able to understand it |
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| 08:23.20 | liable | Azar: ok, if thats a bit much, a nice easy one is guarddog. |
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| 08:23.32 | zOOz_ | Azar: you don't have e-book? |
| 08:24.22 | Azar | zOOz no |
| 08:24.40 | Azar | ok I will install guarddog to try |
| 08:26.02 | squareff | i want to recommend linux to a friend of mine, but he rejects it just because of its... name (kinda freakish opposition to what he considers a sorta "personality cult"); is there any alternative label for linux which can be used for avoiding it reminding of a person (linus)? |
| 08:26.12 | Fleck | dobrij den :) |
| 08:26.37 | Azar | how do I remove shorewall? dpkg will not do it saying /etc/shorewall is not empty, what is the magic word? |
| 08:26.54 | Azar | apt-get remove --purge shorewall will not work |
| 08:26.55 | Fleck | --force.all ? |
| 08:27.02 | Fleck | --force-all ? |
| 08:27.09 | Azar | uh thanks :) |
| 08:27.12 | Fleck | :) |
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| 08:27.19 | sep | Azar: there are custom files in the directory, you can just leave them there, since they do no harm, or remove the dir manualy with rm -rf |
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| 08:28.46 | AciD|Wrk | don't remove it manually, use the dpkg cmd for that, you don't want to mess up the database |
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| 08:29.20 | skippythekangoo | Salut à tous |
| 08:30.04 | liable | skippythekangoo: hi, english here, or try #debian-fr |
| 08:30.12 | Azar | thanks sep |
| 08:30.44 | skippythekangoo | sorry |
| 08:30.52 | liable | np |
| 08:30.53 | skippythekangoo | bye |
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| 08:31.31 | Azar | oh |
| 08:31.46 | Azar | liable guarddog is for kde |
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| 08:32.00 | Azar | I do not have kde |
| 08:32.16 | craigevil | Firestarter will work in kde or gnome |
| 08:32.44 | liable | Azar: ah, no x? |
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| 08:33.10 | Azar | no x |
| 08:33.12 | sep | Azar: you can use lokkit |
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| 08:33.42 | Azar | :) ok |
| 08:34.17 | sep | Azar: there are maany iptables frontends available, just try them out and use one you like. |
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| 08:35.16 | craigevil | Debian -- Debian Package Search Results=firewall |
| 08:35.16 | craigevil | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=firewall&searchon=all&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 08:35.49 | Azar | sep I remember that at the woody install ( before upgrading to sarge) I opted out for iptables |
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| 08:45.10 | tralala | today debian works just fine for everyone... |
| 08:45.57 | spdf | Yay. |
| 08:46.23 | floppyears | why do so many people use debian for servers. There's a lot of good competition out there such as gentoo, redhat and other distros |
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| 08:46.31 | floppyears | why do so many people use debian ? |
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| 08:46.33 | bobbens | !gentoo |
| 08:46.34 | dpkg | it has been said that gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice |
| 08:46.42 | floppyears | what advantage does debian have over them ? |
| 08:46.49 | bobbens | !gentoosmite floppyears |
| 08:47.17 | Gargoyle | 'cos I am too lazy to look it up in the docs, can someone tell me how to supply a username & password when mounting a nfs share? |
| 08:47.36 | bobbens | floppyears: debian is binary distribution, so its easy to install packages. The main reason though is that debian is REAAAAALLLY STABLE, and that is good for servers, plus you can set up a server in 10 minutes with debian. |
| 08:47.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Red Hats not a good distro - rpms suck |
| 08:47.55 | spdf | Gargoyle -o username=?,password=? I believe.. I'm not even 50% sure on that though |
| 08:48.09 | zdom | troll warning |
| 08:48.34 | spdf | Gargoyle, you should check the doc ;) |
| 08:48.35 | sep | floppyears: redhat is only stable if you use enterprise linux, payware. gentoo you need to recompile everything allways, witch is just a waste of time. |
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| 08:48.45 | sep | floppyears: and we have apt :) |
| 08:48.55 | Gargoyle | spdf, Yeah I know - but its monday morning! ;) |
| 08:49.07 | sep | floppyears: and read /msg dpkg whydebian |
| 08:49.16 | floppyears | I love debian, but why do people keep using it as servers when the packages in the stable release are sooo OLD :( |
| 08:49.22 | spdf | Gargoyle, Sounds like someone's got a case of the mondays.. :P |
| 08:49.33 | mindframe | SIOCADDRT: File exists - What does this mean? When I try to restart the networking init script it gives me that and says failed to bring up eth1. |
| 08:49.34 | peterS | floppyears: so, old means bad? |
| 08:49.41 | spdf | floppyears, Geez.. |
| 08:49.48 | iostream | floppyears: Because it stable and security issues are handled by the security team |
| 08:49.53 | bobbens | floppyears: sarge just came out, its newer now. |
| 08:49.58 | sep | floppyears: becouse they work!, i dont want to migrate to new versions all the time, the packages in woody are more then adequate for the job. my servers dont run x anyway |
| 08:49.59 | zdom | troll warning |
| 08:50.01 | Gnea | floppyears: because it's 'stable' |
| 08:50.13 | Azar | hmm pretty nice but I have to enable ftp in order to use aptitude installs.... that means that ftp will be enable for all... and is not good |
| 08:50.19 | floppyears | peterS: I was talking to a friend the other day, and he mentioned that the debian servers that they had they had to be running testing because apache was so old in stable :( and it didn't support a lot of new features |
| 08:50.41 | Gargoyle | I agree with that gentoo statement - I have managed 4 gentoo servers over the last 12 months - geez it gets hard! |
| 08:50.51 | Gnea | !tell floppyears about debian |
| 08:50.52 | Azar | how do I reserve ftp exclusive for aptitude? |
| 08:51.01 | Gargoyle | noe I have nice shiney new "sarge" cd's |
| 08:51.02 | zdom | Gargoyle you are superman |
| 08:51.02 | Gargoyle | :) |
| 08:51.05 | Gnea | floppyears: there are reasons for that. |
| 08:51.11 | peterS | floppyears: if you need "new features", that's one thing. but why didn't you need those features 5 years ago? to be honest, a great deal of server software in unix/linux is mature enough that people need very few "new features" from it |
| 08:51.12 | iostream | Azar: Please clarify that... |
| 08:51.20 | da4n1 | can i look up what cpu i gotin a konsole? |
| 08:51.30 | Azar | iostream I downloaded lokkit and tried to configure |
| 08:51.31 | Gargoyle | zdom, Well, I use the term "manage" very loosely! :) |
| 08:51.36 | Gnea | floppyears: and you can do whatever you want with it, really |
| 08:51.37 | bobbens | da4n1: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:51.46 | floppyears | ok, thank you guys for the discussion |
| 08:51.49 | Gnea | floppyears: if it's stable and you want new packages then they can be backported |
| 08:51.52 | Gnea | !backport |
| 08:51.52 | dpkg | backport is probably a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 08:51.55 | floppyears | very insightful |
| 08:52.08 | iostream | Azar: And the problem is ? |
| 08:52.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | woot! I'm going to buy Debian when sarge discs are out proper :) |
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| 08:52.22 | Azar | ftp or no ftp no other choice |
| 08:52.29 | floppyears | wow, I didn't know that |
| 08:53.04 | iostream | Azar: Ah, well I guess you will have to live with that, or get another firewall (generator)... or maybe change the rules to fit your needs afterwards.. |
| 08:53.18 | Azar | yep I think so |
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| 08:54.09 | Azar | I guess If I get to learn how to work without a firewall it gonna be ok |
| 08:54.49 | Gnea | Azar: just keep messing with it till you figure it out |
| 08:55.00 | iostream | Azar: If you have alot of time you could start reading: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
| 08:55.36 | Azar | tahnks looking at it now |
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| 08:56.46 | iostream | Azar: A shorter document is available here: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//packet-filtering-HOWTO.html |
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| 08:57.40 | Azar | yeah someone told me something about DROP today :) |
| 08:57.45 | Azar | I like magic commands |
| 08:57.47 | Fleck | ;p |
| 08:57.56 | iostream | :) |
| 08:57.58 | Azar | this is easier to read |
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| 08:59.40 | Azar | yeah that is my language that I understand |
| 08:59.46 | iostream | Azar: If you are working on a remote machine take extra care not to get yourself locked out. |
| 09:01.10 | shuning | that one always gets me |
| 09:01.45 | Azar | iostream, I do not need to remote my Debian box, me and only me will work directly front of it. and I will never ever share it with "friends". |
| 09:01.56 | iostream | Azar: okay. |
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| 09:02.33 | zdom | For running Desktop use, should I stay with Etch or go with Sid? |
| 09:02.52 | Azar | .... man Alan Cox must be very old now |
| 09:03.19 | spdf | zdom, Etch.. |
| 09:03.25 | Azar | I see his name everywhere from the 90's until now |
| 09:03.25 | iostream | zdom: And by etch you mean testing? |
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| 09:04.19 | zdom | yes |
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| 09:05.12 | sep | zdom: if the software in sarge is recent enoughf for you to do your work on your desktop run sarge, if sarge is limiting you somehow in your work, then run etch. |
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| 09:05.52 | zdom | icic |
| 09:06.27 | zdom | someone told me stable is for server :P |
| 09:06.44 | sep | zdom: sid will probably break a lot now in the catchup after the release so i woudnt use that unless you'r a tester/developer. |
| 09:06.52 | liable | wtf, why would removing xmms, remove mplayer as well? |
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| 09:07.08 | Fleck | lol |
| 09:07.15 | cat | is there something i can used so i can open up pps files? |
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| 09:07.30 | Fleck | cat openoffice.org |
| 09:07.40 | Azar | sep, I might be thick at some learning manuals which I simply cant understand, the only way I can actually learn what I read is manuals like for example: understanding unix/linux programming by Bruce Molay |
| 09:07.54 | sep | zdom: yes but it's recently released, so it's not that far behind etch, and if you _use_ your computer compared to just toy with it, id use sarge. |
| 09:08.00 | Azar | it actually graphically shows the kernel and its interface with the peripherals |
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| 09:08.23 | sep | Azar: well read books, docs and whats now i learn mostly from google. |
| 09:08.29 | Gargoyle | Is there something I need to do in gnome to make a .jar file launch? |
| 09:08.33 | zdom | sep thx for your comments :0 |
| 09:08.35 | zdom | :) |
| 09:09.48 | Fleck | Azar is there OnLine version of understanding unix/linux programming by Bruce Molay ? |
| 09:10.21 | Azar | Fleck, I do not know, I just bought the book few months ago it looked attractive in the bookstore |
| 09:10.25 | tralala | Gargoyle: yes, you need to open your favorite gnome browser and use it to ask google about gnome file associations |
| 09:10.42 | Azar | sep that would be the debconf? : answer `Y' to CONFIG_NETFILTER in the kernel configuration. |
| 09:10.58 | Fleck | Azar ohh, i see, i need online version :) wanna scann ;p ? |
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| 09:11.35 | Azar | Fleck if the online version misses the graphical descriptions ( pictures ) you lose 50% of it |
| 09:11.44 | Fleck | ;p |
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| 09:12.05 | sep | Azar: i use preconpiled kernels. dont see the point in doing them myself since i dont have issues with my hardware |
| 09:12.12 | liable | Azar: dont make your own kernel. |
| 09:12.12 | Azar | I guess you could peek at some pages at amazon.com |
| 09:12.24 | Gargoyle | tralala, Thanx, but I don't seem to have a full java install - I chose java-common from the package list but still dont have the "java" command! Any clues as to what it shows up under in the package tool? |
| 09:12.34 | Azar | liable no I installed an official precompiled 2.6.8-2-7 |
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| 09:13.02 | Azar | however I have not been asked about CONFIG_NETFILTER |
| 09:13.09 | tralala | Gargoyle: /msg dpkg java |
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| 09:13.19 | liable | Azar: for iptables? |
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| 09:13.35 | jethro | @annoy liable |
| 09:13.36 | ravenbird | liable: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 09:13.46 | liable | !irritate jethro |
| 09:13.47 | dpkg | jethro: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh mouse !!!! |
| 09:13.51 | manu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.53 | Gargoyle | tralala, Ohh ta! |
| 09:13.58 | sep | Azar: you dont need to worry about that unless you compile your own kernels, just dont worry |
| 09:13.59 | liable | jethro: hi. :) |
| 09:14.07 | jethro | liable: hello :) |
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| 09:14.45 | Gargoyle | he he, dpkg bot is not a fan of java then! :) |
| 09:14.59 | tralala | !irritate both jethro and liable |
| 09:15.00 | dpkg | both jethro and liable: hi every1 how can I make my libranet werkz lol |
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| 09:15.41 | hac | What is the best scheduler(for a desktop):Anticipatory or Deadline? |
| 09:15.48 | Azar | what is a PPP conection? |
| 09:15.51 | tralala | Gargoyle: neither am I |
| 09:15.54 | Azar | point to point something? |
| 09:16.03 | liable | Azar: dialup generally |
| 09:16.09 | Azar | oh ok |
| 09:16.13 | Gnea | these days PPPoE |
| 09:16.18 | Gargoyle | tralala, My fave editor is java based. |
| 09:16.19 | Gnea | PPP over Ethernet |
| 09:16.24 | Gnea | for the most part |
| 09:16.30 | liable | Azar: or yes, that, beat me to it :) |
| 09:16.32 | tralala | Gargoyle: too bad. Switch to vim. |
| 09:16.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:17.05 | Gnea | Gargoyle: there's a java-based text editor? we are lost... |
| 09:17.18 | Azar | I was looking some iptable rules and saw that |
| 09:18.12 | mikaEL` | what does 'contrib' reffer in the sources.list debian mirror ?? |
| 09:18.12 | squareff | why doesn't debian have an easier installer? |
| 09:18.24 | Gnea | mikaEL`: contributed packages |
| 09:18.36 | Gnea | squareff: 'easier' than what? |
| 09:18.37 | liable | squareff: eh, whats wrong with it? |
| 09:18.51 | tralala | Gnea: do you see the irony too of having to use gui to edit text?! |
| 09:18.58 | squareff | Gnea: than it is? |
| 09:18.59 | mosty | squareff, it's pretty damn easy already |
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| 09:19.14 | liable | !dukes-of-hazard-smite tralala |
| 09:19.26 | Sememmon | Anyone know offhand what I need to exec in xinitrc to load my gnome app preferences when I start up x? without actually running gnome control center or something... |
| 09:19.27 | tralala | squareff: because you haven't made one yet |
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| 09:20.07 | squareff | mosty: i mean the immediately previous one, not the installer in the latest sarge; what *were* the reasons? |
| 09:20.23 | Sememmon | maybe I'm just missing a daemon or something.. |
| 09:20.35 | Sememmon | ah hah, I am |
| 09:20.39 | mosty | squareff, i find the woody installer easier than the sarge installer, personally |
| 09:20.43 | squareff | it's just something i don't understand, not that i dislike it... i can manage without one, after all |
| 09:20.54 | xinming | anyone here can tell me why I got an error message while I use debootstrap to install debian? |
| 09:21.00 | mikaEL` | I guess the sarge installer is the same with Ubuntu's :D |
| 09:21.06 | xinming | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 09:21.06 | xinming | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.06 | xinming | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.12 | xinming | anyone here would help? |
| 09:21.19 | squareff | mikaEL`: really?! |
| 09:21.25 | tralala | xinming: /topic |
| 09:21.38 | squareff | mikaEL`: or is it just rhetorical? |
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| 09:21.41 | Gargoyle | Damn! Java license sucks! |
| 09:21.43 | Phated | Eeep. |
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| 09:22.03 | spdf | Gargoyle, Why's that? |
| 09:22.25 | tralala | Gargoyle: try to use the gnu java replacement or just switch to another editor |
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| 09:22.54 | mikaEL` | squareff: no, it's not retorical.. |
| 09:22.54 | xinming | does that mean the download of bash isn't complete? |
| 09:22.54 | xinming | In fact, I do this twice. and follow the manual. But It seems not work. |
| 09:22.57 | tralala | guis tend to suck in editing text anyway |
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| 09:24.53 | xinming | tralala: well, I install sarge. not sid. :-) |
| 09:24.56 | mikaEL` | can I get rid of mozilla 1.7.8 if I installed Firefox ?? |
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| 09:25.15 | Gargoyle | tralala, My vim knowledge is just about enough to get-by in an emergency! |
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| 09:26.11 | tralala | xinming: read the *whole* topic. Focus on the pasting part. |
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| 09:27.22 | Raam | I'm running Debian Sarge 3.1. When I do an apt-get install apache2, all it downloads are about 62kb. It doesn't download everything.. doesn't download the .conf files and so on.. it did so first time but now after I 'apt-get remove --purge' on it |
| 09:27.33 | Raam | What do I do to reinstall that? |
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| 09:27.51 | streuner_ | Raam: man apt-get |
| 09:27.56 | Raam | I tried |
| 09:27.58 | tralala | Gargoyle: vim was a half joke. Half because you could do with any other text editor unless you *really* need to edit text. Then it's either vim or emacs but really - vim. |
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| 09:28.20 | Raam | streuner_: didn't find anything helpful enough to understand why it suddenly second time won't download and install everything |
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| 09:29.01 | mikaEL` | I tried to install java (apt-get install mpkg-j2se) but I get this : W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.lug.ro stable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.lug.ro_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 09:29.29 | tralala | !tell mikaEL` about paste |
| 09:30.18 | Raam | After the latest apt-get install apache2.. the sites-available, sites-enabled, httpd.conf files and so on didn't get installed. Anyone here know why? |
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| 09:30.38 | squareff | mikaEL`: are you sure debian now uses ubuntu's installer? (that would be good news, because it means ubuntu is benefficial to debian, and not the other way around only) |
| 09:30.51 | cthulfuego | squareff: No, but Ubuntu uses debians installer. |
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| 09:31.34 | mikaEL` | squareff: Ubuntu is based on Debian ... ;) |
| 09:31.48 | tralala | Raam: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 09:32.00 | squareff | mikaEL`: i know, but i was hoping debian was beneffiting from ubuntu too |
| 09:32.20 | spdf | Raam, Do a dpkg -L apache2 | grep httpd.conf |
| 09:32.51 | squareff | then could anybody please tell if there is anything that debian adopted from ubuntu? |
| 09:33.21 | spdf | squareff, Nothing. |
| 09:33.29 | Raam | spdf: nothing |
| 09:33.49 | mikaEL` | !tell squareff ubuntu |
| 09:34.04 | squareff | spdf, Raam: that's too bad... |
| 09:34.16 | cthulfuego | squareff: Does it matter? |
| 09:34.19 | spdf | Raam, How about in /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples/? |
| 09:34.29 | cthulfuego | squareff: (bugfixes, btw) |
| 09:34.35 | mikaEL` | !tell squareff about ubuntu |
| 09:34.49 | squareff | cthulfuego: yes it does. i want debian to take advantage of distros based on it, not only distros based on it to take advantage of debian |
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| 09:35.31 | xrgtn | what is Imakefile used for? |
| 09:35.53 | tralala | squareff: you can have what you want quite easily - become a debian package maintainer/developer |
| 09:35.56 | squareff | i know ubuntu is not debian and debian is not ubuntu. and i guess my point shows that i have a strong sense of their identity :|) |
| 09:36.04 | mosty | xrgtn, it's the pain-in-the-arse build system used by xfree86 |
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| 09:36.17 | Raam | spdf: they are there... weird thing is that everything installed fine first time... but when I install now.. it suddenly doesn't anything.. no binaries or nothing... when I try to type apt-get install apache2, it says the newest version is already installed.. but the /etc/apache2 dir ain't there |
| 09:36.17 | yab_ | xrgtn: DESCRIPTION |
| 09:36.18 | yab_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.18 | yab_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.20 | xrgtn | mosty: thanks! |
| 09:36.25 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:36.35 | spdf | Raam, You could purge it, and reinstall... |
| 09:36.41 | tralala | Raam: try apt-get -f install |
| 09:36.49 | xrgtn | I have this shit in NISTNet, which I'm currently trying to debianize. |
| 09:37.02 | spdf | squareff, Does Ubuntu support 11 archs? |
| 09:37.28 | Raam | tralala: same thing. Still doesn't install it. |
| 09:37.42 | squareff | spdf: i don't understand the question (what 11 archs?) |
| 09:37.56 | spdf | Raam, Well.. apt-get remove --purge apache2, and then reinstall.. perhaps something "happened" |
| 09:38.09 | Raam | spdf that's what I've tried to do |
| 09:38.11 | Raam | doesn't help |
| 09:38.26 | liable | Raam: dpkg -l apache2, does it say installed? |
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| 09:38.36 | spdf | squareff, architectures. Ubuntu only supports 3, i386, Amd64, and PPC. Debian supports 11. |
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| 09:39.23 | squareff | spdf: you mean, this is why some ubuntu technologies are hard to adapt? (e.g. the installer is hard to adapt on every platform) |
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| 09:39.48 | liable | Raam: any errors when downloading or installing, you have updated right? |
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| 09:40.10 | Raam | liable: Yep.. but it only lists..: /. /usr /usr/share /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/apache2 /usr/share/doc/apache2/copyright and finally /usr/share/doc/apache2/changelog.debian |
| 09:40.23 | Raam | that's all it shows as installed |
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| 09:40.55 | liable | Raam: dpkg -l not -L does it show ii |
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| 09:41.14 | Raam | sec |
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| 09:42.01 | Raam | show's several things for apache21 |
| 09:42.04 | Raam | apache2** |
| 09:42.15 | mido | #bandung |
| 09:42.27 | spdf | !ops mido general gayness |
| 09:42.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mido general gayness |
| 09:42.53 | Raam | liable: apache2, apache2-common, apache2-mpm-pr, apache2-utils |
| 09:42.59 | TML | too slow |
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| 09:43.11 | spdf | Oooooh well :) |
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| 09:44.17 | spdf | TML, Good to know you're on the ball though. |
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| 09:44.46 | guyzmo | hi |
| 09:44.51 | spdf | Hi. |
| 09:45.00 | guyzmo | I just installed postgresql 8.0 from sarge's repository |
| 09:45.17 | Raam | liable: I've done a apt-get remove –purge on the following: libapache2-mod-php4, php4, phpmyadmin, apache2.... |
| 09:45.19 | guyzmo | and it 'encountered errors while processing' the packages... |
| 09:45.32 | kjparker | is there a free, open source alternative to vmware? |
| 09:45.32 | spdf | guyzmo, What were the errors? |
| 09:45.44 | torgrimt_ | kjparker: xen |
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| 09:45.53 | torgrimt_ | kjparker: but its not able to run windows ;) |
| 09:45.54 | tralala | kjparker: bochs |
| 09:45.56 | intension | !hi |
| 09:45.56 | dpkg | hello, intension |
| 09:45.59 | Gargoyle | OK, I got my editor working, apart from vim and emacs - Anyone got any recomendations for text editors (PHP, HTML) |
| 09:46.05 | guyzmo | spdf - juste pasting, sec |
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| 09:46.32 | overnout | Gargoyle: nedit is nice |
| 09:46.41 | intension | i just found a nice site , you might be interessted : http://www.ispynow-ispynow.com-download.net/ |
| 09:46.44 | sep | guyzmo: how could you do that, i wasnt aware pgsql 8.0 was in sarge even |
| 09:46.50 | liable | Raam: can you paste the apt install output somewhere. |
| 09:47.02 | protocolX | I am trying to install debian from netinstaller CD. The CD boots ok then it ask me to choose language, keyboard, locatin etc. After that It tried to get read package from CD and it fails. It gives me error that it can not read the CD device. Anybody knows what's wrong in here. |
| 09:47.06 | intension | commercial windowz stealth root kit |
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| 09:47.09 | Raam | want it in a pm liable ? |
| 09:47.11 | guyzmo | http://paste.lisp.org/display/9058 |
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| 09:47.29 | liable | Raam: no pastebin or similar |
| 09:47.36 | tralala | intension: you will hardly find windows admins in here |
| 09:47.48 | tralala | in other words we don't care |
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| 09:48.00 | Raam | pastebin? |
| 09:48.05 | guyzmo | sep - Package: postgresql-8.0 Maintainer: Martin Pitt Version: 8.0.3-5 |
| 09:48.11 | tralala | Raam: /msg dpkg paste |
| 09:48.13 | spdf | !tell raam about paste |
| 09:48.13 | sep | guyzmo: but in sarge ? |
| 09:48.35 | guyzmo | *UGH* |
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| 09:48.43 | guyzmo | I haven't checked |
| 09:48.56 | paster | "raam" at 192.38.129.130 pasted "apache2 install" (12 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/219 |
| 09:48.58 | intension | tralala ok you are right |
| 09:49.24 | sep | guyzmo: since mixing packages from different systems tend to lead to breakage... |
| 09:49.49 | guyzmo | sep - you're right, I thought I was using sarge, because I updated my system to sarge when it was unstable |
| 09:50.02 | Raam | liable: does that make sense even if it's danish? |
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| 09:50.08 | guyzmo | and when sarge became stable I just 'forgot' to change the unstable to stable |
| 09:50.09 | Raam | despite it's danish I meant |
| 09:50.19 | guyzmo | damn... I broke my system :( |
| 09:50.26 | sep | guyzmo: i dont understand, sarge was never unstable.. you are actualy running sid |
| 09:50.59 | guyzmo | sep - it's just the morning, I'm being illogic :) |
| 09:51.28 | sep | guyzmo: have a coffee, it helps :) |
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| 09:51.53 | danield | Hi guys. I have a problem with Debian 2.6.11: when I try to install it, it doesn't recognise the DVD-ROM. And ideas why?? Thanx |
| 09:51.55 | liable | Raam: hehe, no, I cant understand it. |
| 09:52.00 | guyzmo | sep - yeah :) |
| 09:52.10 | Raam | Well.. basically all it says is that it installs it and setting it up |
| 09:52.15 | Raam | but notice the 62kb |
| 09:52.29 | sep | danield: afaik there is no debian installer using 2.6.11, what are you actualy trying to install ? |
| 09:52.30 | Raam | apache2 is as far as I know a liiiiittle bit bigger than 62kb |
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| 09:53.13 | tralala | Raam: did you check the bts? (msg dpkg bts) |
| 09:53.31 | Raam | uh.. nope |
| 09:53.33 | Raam | sec |
| 09:53.43 | liable | Raam: yes, but apt-cache show it, and you'll see that, but installed size with the depends is bigger |
| 09:54.24 | danield | sep: i've downloaded from the first CD from 3.1r0a |
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| 09:54.46 | danield | i mean i've installed from this CD image |
| 09:55.13 | sep | but there is no 2.6.11 on that cd. |
| 09:55.23 | tralala | danield: and how did you end up with 2.6.11? I'm asking because I know that 3.1 comes with 2.6.8 |
| 09:55.23 | intension | is it possible to write an application which doesnt show when doing 'ps' , assuming no modifications to the kernel ? |
| 09:55.26 | danield | sep: and when i install i try to install with: linux26 |
| 09:55.29 | idnar_ | uhm, why do I get ipv6 default routes on all of my interfaces? |
| 09:55.52 | danield | i thik the version is 2.6.8, so sorry |
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| 09:56.06 | tralala | intension: script kiddies are unsupported here |
| 09:56.08 | sep | intension: the world have too many rootkits already |
| 09:56.57 | danield | sep: but i got this problem with the DVD-ROM |
| 09:57.04 | jethro | !irritate tralala |
| 09:57.04 | dpkg | tralala: wenas who uses gnome hello? |
| 09:57.05 | Raam | tralala: nothing about install errors on the bts |
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| 09:57.11 | guyzmo | intension - and there are enough tutorials on the net about that |
| 09:57.15 | Raam | Man.. I really don't understand this |
| 09:57.17 | Raam | weeeeeird |
| 09:57.21 | kjparker | intension, I'm sure it is, however don't expect anyone here to tell you how if it is possible at all |
| 09:57.23 | tralala | Raam: are you sure that the config files are in this package and not in another one? |
| 09:57.38 | Raam | Yes.. because the very first time I installed it it went fine |
| 09:58.03 | sep | danield: try asking again, beein less confusing, and with a more descriptinve error message |
| 09:58.05 | Raam | But I had to reinstall it because of phpmyadmin screwing up.. so I did a purge on apache2, php4 and phpmyadmin |
| 09:58.10 | guyzmo | and there are other funny things you can do, like not appearing in lastlog, having invisible files etc... ;) |
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| 09:58.15 | tralala | Raam: did you install *only* this package the first time? |
| 09:58.16 | linex | hola kike |
| 09:58.26 | linex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.27 | Raam | tralala: what do you mean precisely? |
| 09:58.27 | jethro | intension: write something, and don't run it. it won't show in ps that way. |
| 09:58.28 | linex | q ai! |
| 09:58.30 | tralala | jethro: yeah, you can notice that I'm starting to get pissed off |
| 09:58.31 | liable | Raam: you didnt manually rm stuff did you? |
| 09:58.37 | linex_ | pacoooooo |
| 09:58.38 | linex | jejeje |
| 09:58.39 | Raam | tralala: nope |
| 09:58.41 | jethro | tralala: do I piss you off? |
| 09:58.51 | Raam | tralala: I used apt-get remove --purge |
| 09:58.55 | linex | q mierda esto de tecnologia no?? |
| 09:58.59 | guyzmo | ok |
| 09:59.01 | tralala | jethro: naah, why you? |
| 09:59.02 | guyzmo | it's time to eat |
| 09:59.03 | guyzmo | ++ |
| 09:59.29 | jethro | tralala: just wondering :) |
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| 09:59.43 | tralala | Raam: I mean the dependencies. |
| 09:59.44 | directhex|work | danield, start again. WHAT is the problem EXACTLY |
| 10:00.00 | Raam | tralala: Nope.. all I did was through apt-get |
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| 10:00.44 | liable | Raam: paste output of 'dpkg -l apache2' to #flood or pastebin |
| 10:00.52 | Raam | ok.. sec |
| 10:00.55 | tralala | Raam: check all the packages that apache2 depends on. Figure out if the config files are located in another package from that list. |
| 10:00.56 | danield | ok. I try to install Debian 2.6.8 and when the installer tries to detect the CDROM (DVDROM) it says "The CDROM installation failed".. and let me choose the model from a list. I tried all the options and the installer doesn't recognise the CDROM |
| 10:01.04 | danield | this is the problem |
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| 10:01.49 | Gnea | probably the cdrom is not plugged in. |
| 10:01.50 | danield | and i tried with 2.4 kernel version and everything goes smoothly |
| 10:01.58 | Gnea | then again... |
| 10:01.59 | tralala | danield: what kind of device do you have? scsi, sata? |
| 10:02.12 | Gargoyle | How do I find out what device my USB pen drive is "using"? dmesg seems to show a successful recognition but does not give me any clues as to where in /dev/ it is ? |
| 10:02.19 | danield | scsi |
| 10:02.32 | sep | danield: so install with 2.4 ? you can allways upgreade your kernel afterwards |
| 10:02.32 | Raam | liable: just pasted it in #flood as number 220 |
| 10:02.35 | directhex|work | Gargoyle, the next free /dev/sd* |
| 10:02.36 | danield | and the HDD is sata |
| 10:02.41 | tralala | danield: did you read the installation howtos? |
| 10:02.47 | Gnea | Gargoyle: it's probably scsi, if you have the scsi modules |
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| 10:03.22 | tralala | Gargoyle: usually it's sda1 |
| 10:03.26 | Gnea | danield: what kind of adapter is it? |
| 10:03.26 | danield | sep: yes, i tried also this, but after i upgraded the kernel the CDROM is still not detected |
| 10:03.34 | Gargoyle | Ta :) |
| 10:03.52 | danield | i did read the howtos |
| 10:03.58 | liable | Raam: no, 'dpkg -l apache2' |
| 10:04.06 | Raam | Oh.. 1 sec |
| 10:04.08 | tralala | !ta |
| 10:04.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ta is an abbreviation for thomas_adam, or antipodean slang for "thank you". Total Annihilation(Best RTS *evar*). Teaching Assistant |
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| 10:04.12 | jesperj | qjackctrl says it can not open /dev/snd/seq and when I look for it it is not there. Does this mean I have to compile something into the kernel? |
| 10:04.17 | Gnea | danield: what scsi adapter are you using? |
| 10:04.20 | liable | Raam: nm |
| 10:04.25 | danield | just a second |
| 10:04.29 | Gnea | k |
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| 10:04.51 | jesperj | I thought ta could also mean thanks alot |
| 10:04.57 | Raam | Screw this.. I'll reinstall the whole damn thing.. grrrrr |
| 10:05.06 | Raam | thanks for trying to help anyways tralala and liable |
| 10:05.19 | liable | Raam: what the os? |
| 10:05.28 | Raam | debian sarge 3.1 |
| 10:05.31 | Raam | the newest |
| 10:05.44 | tralala | he asks if you really mean to reinstall the os |
| 10:05.51 | Raam | Oh |
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| 10:05.52 | Raam | yeah |
| 10:05.58 | tralala | it will probably work but it's quite an overkill |
| 10:06.11 | Raam | but.. I can't make it work in any other way it seems :( |
| 10:06.15 | liable | Raam: bah, dont give in, its gotta be fixable and you'll learn. |
| 10:06.19 | Raam | hehehe |
| 10:06.27 | jesperj | jimbo, you are ircing as root or just have that username. not a good idea if you indeed is ircing as root. |
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| 10:06.38 | tralala | Raam: did you follow the dependancies as I told you? |
| 10:06.53 | jimm | jesperj: it does mean that... but abbreviations can be hard to follow |
| 10:07.11 | Raam | Nope... didn't have time to check that out.. but.. can I just ask one question.. since it installed first time without problems.. and I didn't remove anything.. do you really think they could be missing ? |
| 10:07.15 | Azar | jim |
| 10:07.24 | jim | I |
| 10:07.25 | Raam | tralala: seems kinda unlikely |
| 10:07.27 | Azar | I got rooted yesterday |
| 10:07.34 | Azar | had to reinstall all over |
| 10:07.38 | Raam | damn..sec.. Phone. |
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| 10:07.48 | jim | hmm... bad, bad... |
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| 10:07.59 | Azar | yeah no idea a firewall was a must |
| 10:08.14 | tralala | Raam: it does. However you could purge all the deps and reinstall and not only apache2. This could help. |
| 10:08.22 | ledet | Azar: consider disabling/removing the services youre not using instead |
| 10:08.29 | bobbens | Azar: hardware firewalls generally are better and work well :P |
| 10:08.40 | Azar | ledet yes I got lots of help to learn how to do that here |
| 10:08.41 | TML | bobbens: How do you figure that? |
| 10:08.41 | jimi | does anyone know how to stop people ssh'ing into my pc as root? |
| 10:08.43 | jim | well... the thing is that they probably got in via services you had running? |
| 10:08.58 | bobbens | TML: whether you have a hardware firewall or not? |
| 10:08.59 | ledet | bobbens: there is no such thing as a hardware firewall... theyre all software anyway... |
| 10:09.04 | Azar | jim no idea look at this |
| 10:09.07 | bobbens | ledet: then what is a router? |
| 10:09.09 | jim | jimi: report them to their ISP with logs? |
| 10:09.15 | ledet | bobbens: its still software |
| 10:09.20 | jim | well I can't now... I'm about to crash |
| 10:09.35 | bobbens | ledet: yeah but it acts as a hardware firewall, doesnt depend on your os |
| 10:09.36 | danield | Gnea: looking in my /dev folder i see only HDD adapters.. nothing for CDROM.. or should i look elsewhere? |
| 10:09.38 | Azar | Jun 11 20:48:18 oracle sshd[9729]: Failed password for illegal user admin from ::ffff:66.125.126.181 port 42143 ssh2 |
| 10:09.38 | Azar | Jun 11 20:48:19 oracle sshd[9731]: Illegal user test from ::ffff:66.125.126.181 |
| 10:09.49 | TML | bobbens: You said hardware firewalls "generally are better", I'm wondering what you based that on. |
| 10:09.51 | ledet | bobbens: a hardware firewall still runs some sort of OS |
| 10:09.55 | jesperj | 12:04:52.630 Could not open ALSA sequencer as a client. MIDI patchbay will be not available. |
| 10:09.55 | jesperj | ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: Filen eller katalogen finns inte |
| 10:09.58 | spdf | Azar, Happens atleast 3 times a day here, 100 or so usernames each time.. |
| 10:09.58 | TML | ledet: Exactly |
| 10:10.00 | danield | Gnea: for HDD i have sda, sda1, sda2, sda5 and sda6 |
| 10:10.01 | ledet | bobbens: youre not making sense |
| 10:10.03 | Azar | jim most likely was a zombie |
| 10:10.04 | nomed^ | is there a cmd that can tell me the fs type of a partition? |
| 10:10.05 | bobbens | TML: read that somewhere |
| 10:10.06 | Gnea | danield: once more: who makes your scsi adapter and what model is it? |
| 10:10.06 | jesperj | (file or catalog does not exist) |
| 10:10.15 | Azar | spdf but I got downed |
| 10:10.25 | Azar | to the point I could not reboot no more |
| 10:10.31 | TML | bobbens: It was FUD. Many h/w firewalls use linux and tools that are available to you via apt-get |
| 10:10.31 | jesperj | any ideas? |
| 10:10.35 | jim | Azar: your best bet at running a firewall is a separate box |
| 10:10.36 | danield | is a LG DVDROM... |
| 10:10.40 | ledet | bobbens: there is no such thing as a "hardware firewall"... and generally a dedicated linux box can work just as well |
| 10:10.42 | jimi | jim: so aside from assinging root some obsure password that cant be brute forced there is no other way to disable ssh access? |
| 10:10.56 | Azar | jimi yes it is |
| 10:10.58 | Azar | I did that |
| 10:11.07 | jim | jimi: uninstall sshd? |
| 10:11.14 | spdf | Azar, I guess they were less successful with me then.. |
| 10:11.16 | Azar | ./etc/init.d/sshd stop |
| 10:11.19 | jim | and shut down the daemon |
| 10:11.25 | liable | Raam: so, is apache2 running, can you 'dpkg-reconfigure apache2'? |
| 10:11.38 | Azar | spdf scriptkiddies allways have fun with challenges |
| 10:11.40 | jimi | azar and jim: sweet, thanks |
| 10:11.41 | jim | and yes, the root password has to be extremely obscure |
| 10:11.42 | bobbens | ledet: technically yeah a "hardware firewall" doesnt exist but a router with a good firewall does act as a "hardware firewall", just not "politically correct" |
| 10:11.44 | spdf | jimi, Disable root login on ssh.. |
| 10:12.13 | ledet | bobbens: correct... but what you really mean by a "hardware firewall" is a dedicated box |
| 10:12.24 | ledet | bobbens: and by "router" i assume you mean adsl router |
| 10:12.32 | Azar | I am learning iptables, sep and liable and others gave me good online howtos |
| 10:12.33 | scar_ | I do have the 3c509 nic and I'd like to do some changes on the module loading.... where can I do tha? /etc/network ? |
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| 10:12.38 | liable | jimi: you set ssh to use only keys too, and no passwords |
| 10:12.43 | ledet | bobbens: most real routers on the internet dont filter ports as such |
| 10:12.44 | tralala | jimi: you could disable password logins |
| 10:12.51 | bobbens | TML: yeah, but routers generally are very secure and easy way, plus they keep the tax of repelling shit off your cpu, and can secure your entire LAN easy. You can also use a dedicated linux box, but they're bigger and noisier unless using a small mobo |
| 10:13.01 | bobbens | ledet: then mine must be special |
| 10:13.05 | tralala | ah, already suggested |
| 10:13.07 | jimi | liable: key pairs? |
| 10:13.09 | jim | jimi: as spdf is indicating and implying, you can disable root logins overall... but you can also disable them just from the outside |
| 10:13.14 | ledet | bobbens: probably... |
| 10:13.14 | bobbens | ledet: though it appears to be a pretty generical one here in spain |
| 10:13.18 | liable | jimi: yep |
| 10:13.31 | bobbens | ledet: it could be the special 3rd party software that gives it more advanced options |
| 10:13.33 | ledet | bobbens: then its just a NAT box... |
| 10:13.41 | liable | jimi: google it, its not hard at all. |
| 10:13.56 | bobbens | ledet: NAT/firewall with the standard PoD protection and shit |
| 10:14.08 | ledet | bobbens: still doesnt make it what i define as a router |
| 10:14.16 | jimi | liable: cool thanks |
| 10:14.30 | jim | Azar: so did you try sarge install this time? |
| 10:14.54 | ledet | bobbens: heres an example of a router http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps368/index.html |
| 10:14.54 | TML | ledet: The term "router" is much like the term "hacker". It has become imprecise through use by lazy people. |
| 10:14.55 | Azar | jim I installed woody then upgraded |
| 10:15.03 | Azar | I have no Sarge disc |
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| 10:15.23 | spdf | Damn lazies. Ruining all the good stuff... |
| 10:15.31 | jim | ledet: a router responds to particular protocols at particular layers of the protocol stack. |
| 10:15.37 | ledet | TML: i know... and i'm just trying to get bobbens to see that |
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| 10:15.40 | pego | hi |
| 10:15.50 | ledet | jim: yes |
| 10:15.50 | spdf | Hurumph. |
| 10:15.57 | ledet | jim: which http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=273 doesnt |
| 10:16.00 | liable | !hi pego |
| 10:16.01 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai pego! |
| 10:16.32 | pego | AOL block my mail from my mail server so i wanted to pass by my provider mail server for AOL but i dunno how :/ anyone know ? |
| 10:16.43 | Azar | jim I hope to learn to establish rules without a firewall |
| 10:16.48 | ledet | jim: i'd prefer to call that "adsl router" a NAT gateway instead... |
| 10:16.56 | Azar | it looks easier for me to understand |
| 10:17.08 | jim | ledet: a gateway -is- a router |
| 10:17.11 | bobbens | ledet / TML: well on my case it says ADSL 11g Wireless Router, so the company is also calling it a router, and im sure it is a router, does PPoE and all those things a linux box being a router does. |
| 10:17.21 | ledet | jim: well... mostly... yes |
| 10:17.22 | jim | a specific kind |
| 10:17.39 | TML | bobbens: PPoE has nothing to do with a router. |
| 10:17.42 | spdf | pego, If AOL is blocking SMTP access, then you're "screwed" |
| 10:17.55 | bobbens | TML: no, but it has to get internet somehow |
| 10:18.00 | ledet | jim: i still dont like the masses defining a "router" as the little box they got when they ordered dsl |
| 10:18.10 | pego | spdf: we block all mail from not provider mail server in france |
| 10:18.20 | jim | wouldn't that be the "dsl modem"? :) |
| 10:18.34 | TML | jim: It would be, if it weren't for the marketing dept's of the world |
| 10:18.34 | jim | which may or may not have router functions... |
| 10:18.44 | tralala | pego: check the current lg issue there is an article about bash scripting there which btw has a setup for providers that are blocking 25 |
| 10:18.45 | bobbens | ledet: technically it could not be a router, but it acts just like one, so we can call it a pseudo-router and leave it at that |
| 10:18.48 | TML | Now everything is a "router", whether it actually routes traffic or not. |
| 10:19.01 | liable | isnt that a combined modem/router? |
| 10:19.19 | jim | maybe it's a switch at best |
| 10:19.22 | pego | tralala: lg issue ? |
| 10:19.38 | TML | pego: linux gazzette |
| 10:19.41 | tralala | !linux gazette |
| 10:19.42 | dpkg | somebody said linux gazette was the best linux journal ever. http://www.linuxgazette.com/ |
| 10:19.46 | pego | TML: : thanks |
| 10:19.48 | netman1 | tralala: link? |
| 10:19.49 | TML | one z? |
| 10:19.50 | TML | my bad |
| 10:20.09 | TML | Not a word I type often. :) |
| 10:20.21 | jim | 2 zs is how you spell Ben Gazzara |
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| 10:20.40 | tralala | bad, dpkg |
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| 10:20.46 | tralala | it's linuxgazette.net |
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| 10:21.15 | TML | tralala: Tell him so |
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| 10:21.22 | debby | hi |
| 10:21.25 | tralala | dpkg, linux gazette is =~ s/com/net/ |
| 10:21.25 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'linux gazette is' to modify, tralala |
| 10:21.32 | tralala | dpkg, linux gazette =~ s/com/net/ |
| 10:21.33 | dpkg | tralala: OK |
| 10:21.55 | netman1 | !linux gazette |
| 10:21.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, linux gazette is the best linux journal ever. http://www.linuxgazette.net/ |
| 10:22.18 | tralala | it exists as debian packages as well |
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| 10:23.08 | sobersabre | hello. |
| 10:23.19 | liable | tralala: the gazette? |
| 10:23.24 | sobersabre | is there a way to create a header from .so or .a library ? |
| 10:23.26 | tralala | yes |
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| 10:23.54 | jim | sobersabre: maybe, but usually the headers are supplied with libs |
| 10:24.11 | jim | well, the -dev part |
| 10:24.15 | sobersabre | jim, hm, assuming you don't have sources.. :) |
| 10:24.30 | jim | no, not making that assumptino] |
| 10:24.32 | sobersabre | i know we live in a luxury of having them... |
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| 10:24.59 | jim | sobersabre: more specific |
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| 10:25.18 | mikaEL` | i have win98 box and my debian box (with 2 NICS) connected by a crossover cable.. My Debian box has Internet accsess (through eth1 : 192.168.0.178/16)... I want to use my debian as a router for the other win98 box ... |
| 10:25.27 | jim | where did you get the libs you're asking about |
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| 10:25.38 | sobersabre | assuming you have a library. you don't have headers. ( e.g. old proprietary binary only lib ) |
| 10:25.48 | sobersabre | you want to interface with it...] |
| 10:25.52 | sobersabre | you're in shite... |
| 10:26.09 | tralala | mikaEL`: google for NAT HOWTO |
| 10:26.11 | jim | sobersabre: how would anyone compile against a lib like that? |
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| 10:26.31 | liable | mikaEL`: well, have you googled, there has to be a shitload of info for that out there. |
| 10:26.36 | jim | also why bother dealing with libs that don't come with source |
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| 10:26.58 | jim | but you can forget that last question if you want |
| 10:27.12 | sobersabre | jim. i forgot... |
| 10:27.14 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 10:27.23 | Whisky__ | when I try to login to phpMyAdmin at http://localhost/phpmyadmin, i get this error message with a language drop down box of phpMyAdmin... "The configuration file now needs a secret passphrase (blowfish_secret)." |
| 10:27.27 | jim | so how did you get this lib? |
| 10:27.59 | sobersabre | jim, i have such one. robot related lib ( robot control lib, very specific) |
| 10:28.17 | sobersabre | and i've hear win users do have a tool DLL2inc ... |
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| 10:28.25 | jim | so they don't expect people to write programs against the lib? |
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| 10:28.51 | jim | "they" being the authors and/or owners of this lib |
| 10:29.25 | tralala | dpkg: linux gazette is also apt-get install lg-latest-two |
| 10:29.25 | dpkg | tralala: okay |
| 10:29.34 | sobersabre | they were bought, the product - deprecated... |
| 10:30.13 | tralala | which makes a very good example of why one shouldn't use propriarity software |
| 10:30.13 | sobersabre | not all the features are documented. there's a reverse engineering attempt. but the robot is not a general public machine - only researchers use it. |
| 10:30.21 | Azar | what in earth is a NAT ? network .. a.. terminal? |
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| 10:30.28 | jim | or hardware for that matter |
| 10:30.39 | peterS | Azar: network address translation |
| 10:30.41 | jim | NAT == Network Address Translation |
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| 10:30.47 | Azar | oh thanks |
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| 10:30.55 | jim | ipmasquerade is one form of NAT |
| 10:30.59 | tralala | unfortunately the free hardware is far less compared to the free software |
| 10:31.03 | sobersabre | tralala, i don't know what you do... but do you have an open source MAtlab/MAthematica/Maple ? |
| 10:31.11 | peterS | Azar: in the common case: taking one public IP address and translating that to a range of private IP addresses, so you can have more than one machine behind a single public IP |
| 10:31.17 | sobersabre | I don't mean octave .. which is totally castrated. |
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| 10:31.32 | peterS | Azar: this is what devices do that people these days refer to as 'routers' |
| 10:31.33 | sobersabre | or open source FPGA designs ? |
| 10:31.45 | Guerin | Azar: 'Internet Connection Sharing' |
| 10:31.47 | sobersabre | ( except trivial ones ) |
| 10:31.56 | jim | sobersabre: scilab for matlab |
| 10:32.00 | Guerin | to use the MS-made-up-term for it |
| 10:32.04 | Azar | the only thing I know is that my computer is not an ics/nat but never clearly knew what that means |
| 10:32.12 | sobersabre | jim, you know nothing is closer to simulink. |
| 10:32.22 | liable | !beer peterS for explaining that in one sentence. |
| 10:32.22 | Azar | Guerin :) |
| 10:32.22 | sobersabre | i hope you know. |
| 10:32.31 | peterS | liable: heh, thanks |
| 10:32.31 | starfishy | i am trying to reinstall nautilus in unstable |
| 10:32.43 | starfishy | the last upgrade removed it |
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| 10:32.50 | Azar | peterS but that why an adsl box is for right? |
| 10:32.53 | starfishy | there seems to be a dependency problem |
| 10:33.07 | peterS | Azar: an ADSL box with multiple network ports on it is genarally doing NAT, yes |
| 10:33.08 | resiak | !tell starfishy -about sid faq |
| 10:33.46 | resiak | TinoW: It does readwrite for me... |
| 10:33.51 | jim | starfishy: do you read kernel sources and sources of all other software you're about to install/upgrade? |
| 10:34.01 | tralala | starfishy: currently sid seems to be quite broken and a lot of people complain about a lot of things so you might want to re-evaluate your decision to use it |
| 10:34.19 | starfishy | i have no problems with it other than the nautilus problem |
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| 10:34.33 | tralala | you mean for now |
| 10:34.40 | liable | starfishy: well wait then, till its fixed. |
| 10:34.49 | starfishy | and ive been running unstable for about 4 years now so i know what im doing |
| 10:34.52 | kjparker | starfishy: do an apt-get upgrade and i'm sue that will change |
| 10:34.53 | kjparker | :) |
| 10:35.01 | starfishy | i merely wanted to know whether someone else had noticed the same thing |
| 10:35.03 | Guerin | fwiw, the only thing that's broken for me, on sid, is mplayer... and that's not even in debian |
| 10:35.11 | starfishy | or whether it was a problem with my particular installation |
| 10:35.14 | liable | starfishy: bts might tell you |
| 10:35.21 | Azar | .. so all fragmented packets will get assembled at the router before even hitting a packet filtering code in my Debian box |
| 10:35.36 | starfishy | might tell me what? |
| 10:35.39 | tralala | starfishy: if *did* know what you were doning you wouldn't be here but at the bts / bugreport |
| 10:36.00 | starfishy | before i file a bug report i usually try to find out whether its an isolated problem |
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| 10:36.06 | starfishy | i thought that was recommended? |
| 10:36.09 | tralala | s/if/if you/ |
| 10:36.12 | liable | starfishy: whether others are having problems, what do you think it will tell you? |
| 10:36.17 | protocolX | I am trying to install debian from netinstaller CD. The CD |
| 10:36.17 | protocolX | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.17 | protocolX | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.17 | protocolX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:36.23 | starfishy | it will tell me where to look first |
| 10:36.32 | resiak | Guerin: You don't use Gnome. |
| 10:36.55 | starfishy | i have a fallback system if sid gets too messed up |
| 10:37.07 | starfishy | good to know that upgrades should be avoided for a bit |
| 10:37.07 | jim | starfishy: that part is smart |
| 10:37.09 | JohnnyST | protocolX: Burn the CD again. |
| 10:37.34 | JohnnyST | protocolX: And is your cd-rom ok that you try to install from? |
| 10:37.34 | jethro | only gnome users complain about sid |
| 10:37.38 | starfishy | why is it that when someone asks a harmless question and doesnt complain and bitch everyone still assumes they are trying to ? |
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| 10:37.43 | jethro | JohnnyST: he's no longer on the channel |
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| 10:37.55 | JohnnyST | jethro, oh :) |
| 10:37.56 | TinoW | alright. seems to work now. Only the $§$%§ gimp does not know it. |
| 10:37.56 | starfishy | i mostly use xfce4, so the gnome problem isnt my main concern |
| 10:38.01 | starfishy | i was curious and playing with it |
| 10:38.11 | starfishy | which is how I came across the nautilus problem |
| 10:38.28 | jim | starfishy: because you are one of a thousand others |
| 10:38.37 | starfishy | so i wanted to know whether its my install or a general problem before I file any bugs or such |
| 10:38.39 | mikaEL` | heavens:~# ifconfig eth0 90.0.0.1/24 SIOCSIFNETMASK: Cannot assign requested address What is this ?? |
| 10:38.47 | Guerin | resiak: a fact for which I am more grateful every day. |
| 10:38.57 | jethro | starfishy: read the BTS, and don't waste our time. if you run sid, you shouldn't be asking anyway. |
| 10:38.59 | resiak | TinoW: The Gnome VFS doesn't seem to work for every application. |
| 10:39.03 | tralala | starfishy: that's easy to check do an install on another machine |
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| 10:39.13 | jim | starfishy: well you might check the BTS |
| 10:39.16 | resiak | Guerin: Hmm. |
| 10:39.18 | Whisky__ | when I try to login to phpMyAdmin at http://localhost/phpmyadmin, i get this error message with a language drop down box of phpMyAdmin... "The configuration file now needs a secret passphrase (blowfish_secret)." |
| 10:39.21 | TinoW | resiak: which is even pitier then with KDE/kio already |
| 10:39.24 | jethro | !cluebat starfishy |
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| 10:39.29 | JohnnyST | starfishy: do you have apt-listbugs installed? |
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| 10:39.43 | starfishy | johnny: yes. |
| 10:39.48 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 10:39.49 | Whisky__ | Anyone ? |
| 10:39.59 | tralala | !anyone |
| 10:39.59 | dpkg | well, anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:40.04 | Gargoyle | Whisky__, Just use http auth |
| 10:40.07 | jethro | Whisky__: try #phpmyadmin or whatever support channel they can have |
| 10:40.10 | resiak | Whisky__: Read the message. Read the PHPMyAdmin docs? |
| 10:40.13 | jim | starfishy: this a problem during initial install and before the reboot? |
| 10:40.21 | jim | or how are you installing sid? |
| 10:40.24 | Azar | thanks again everyone who helped, good morning |
| 10:40.30 | Whisky__ | :| |
| 10:40.31 | jethro | !unstable |
| 10:40.31 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
| 10:40.33 | JohnnyST | starfishy: btw what was your problem? |
| 10:40.41 | Whisky__ | Gargoyle: Cant use http auth now |
| 10:40.54 | jethro | starfishy: sid is "not supported here, in general" |
| 10:40.56 | Guerin | grr, what does one do if apt-get build-dep foo fails? IS there any way of hand-installing the packages? |
| 10:41.05 | Whisky__ | jethro: There average response time is 10 hours and im in a hurry :S |
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| 10:41.09 | starfishy | jethro: I asked a harmless question |
| 10:41.15 | Whisky__ | resiak: Already read the message, that's why im here |
| 10:41.17 | starfishy | i neither tried to get support for it nor anything |
| 10:41.18 | jim | jethro: we're -so- far beyond his deciding whether he wants to run sid |
| 10:41.20 | starfishy | i was curious |
| 10:41.25 | jethro | Whisky__: I don't give a fuck. ask the right place |
| 10:41.26 | resiak | Whisky__: This isn't #phpmyadmin |
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| 10:41.37 | Whisky__ | jethro: Then u better behave |
| 10:41.39 | jethro | jim: that's not the point. he runs sid. and sid is not supported in #debian. period |
| 10:41.46 | da4n1 | Whisky__: whats you problem? |
| 10:41.52 | tralala | starfishy: a million people ask "harmless" (and pointless) questions each day |
| 10:41.53 | JohnnyST | starfishy: Well sometimes it is like this here I do not know why ;) |
| 10:41.57 | Whisky__ | resiak: I'll try again but as I said, 10 hours response time :S |
| 10:42.00 | jim | is that actually true? |
| 10:42.14 | jethro | million morons a day. why the hell do they run sid in the first place? |
| 10:42.17 | jim | is it in fact a documented channel rule? |
| 10:42.20 | resiak | Whisky__: Or just read the docs and discover that it means, _amazingly_, that you need to configure a passphrase? |
| 10:42.25 | Whisky__ | da4n1: A little problem with phpMyAdmin. I just like people to be nice, not like "i dont give a fuck" when u ask them something :\ |
| 10:42.26 | da4n1 | or whomever has problem with phpmyadmin? |
| 10:42.28 | jim | I don't care how many morons dogpile you. |
| 10:42.28 | jethro | jim: it is |
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| 10:42.41 | da4n1 | i knwo that feeling :D |
| 10:42.45 | resiak | jim: Read the last thing that dpkg said. |
| 10:42.45 | Whisky__ | resiak: I wish i knew how to set it :( |
| 10:42.49 | Whisky__ | da4n1: :) |
| 10:42.51 | jethro | jim: read the sid faq, and see by yourself. sid is NOT supported here |
| 10:42.55 | da4n1 | Whisky__: what is it that you need help with? |
| 10:42.57 | resiak | Whisky__: The manual tells you... |
| 10:42.59 | jethro | jim: and I doubt sid is supported anywhere |
| 10:43.06 | resiak | jethro: #ubuntu! |
| 10:43.09 | jethro | resiak: :) |
| 10:43.14 | starfishy | jethro: i run sid because i like to test things |
| 10:43.22 | starfishy | iirc thats the whole purpose of sid's existence |
| 10:43.24 | jethro | starfishy: I don't care really. |
| 10:43.26 | jim | that's no reason whatsoever to get nasty |
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| 10:43.39 | jethro | starfishy: I m not telling you not to run sid. I m telling you #debian is not supporting sid. |
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| 10:43.51 | jethro | starfishy: how hard is this to understand? |
| 10:43.53 | starfishy | and as this is only my second question in here in four years I am pretty sure i am qualified to run sid |
| 10:43.53 | da4n1 | once i'm here.... where does ings |
| 10:43.57 | JohnnyST | starfishy: Yes and to have new software all the time I guess. |
| 10:43.58 | da4n1 | shit |
| 10:43.59 | tralala | there is neither a reason to be polite - it's a matter of personal taste |
| 10:44.02 | jethro | starfishy: that's not even the point. |
| 10:44.02 | Sora_Aoi | hi, is there some sort of software that runs on a dedicated server mirroring a certain website??? |
| 10:44.15 | starfishy | jethro: and i was telling you that i was not looking for support |
| 10:44.23 | starfishy | i was merely interested in whether others have the same problem |
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| 10:44.29 | jethro | starfishy: you asked a "harmless" question. |
| 10:44.33 | da4n1 | where can i get ld-linux.so.2, package name? |
| 10:44.34 | resiak | starfishy: Which is what the BTS is for :) |
| 10:44.34 | jethro | starfishy: you're playing on words. |
| 10:44.36 | Sora_Aoi | hi, is there some sort of software that runs on a dedicated server mirroring a certain website??? |
| 10:44.42 | resiak | !wayttd da4n1 |
| 10:44.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, da4n1? |
| 10:44.43 | jim | so sid is not supported. is discussion forbidden? |
| 10:44.53 | starfishy | resiak: i monitor the bts too but didnt see the nautilus reference |
| 10:44.53 | resiak | !tell Sora_Aoi -about repeat |
| 10:44.54 | starfishy | my bad |
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| 10:45.01 | starfishy | still no reason to become agressive |
| 10:45.30 | tralala | and still no reason to be patient |
| 10:45.32 | da4n1 | !msg dpkg !ld-linux.so.2 |
| 10:45.33 | starfishy | and i think reprimanding someone for 20 minutes wastes a bit more time than saying 'no, we dont have the problem' or 'yes, we do' |
| 10:45.33 | jethro | starfishy: see why it gets boring? because people always looked at the right places if you listen to them, but accidentaly they never find the ressource they should've the first time. |
| 10:45.35 | da4n1 | lol |
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| 10:45.46 | resiak | Sure. jethro, for example, has absolutely nothing better to do than sit here and help everyone who comes in asking the same question. |
| 10:45.49 | jethro | starfishy: we're coping with dozens of morons a day, asking for the very same questions |
| 10:45.50 | tralala | starfishy: no, we don't run sid |
| 10:45.53 | tralala | happy now? |
| 10:46.01 | starfishy | jethro: if i wouldnt normally find the right resources i would be here all the time |
| 10:46.01 | jim | jethro: he was not asking YOU for support, so you might as well shut the fuck up |
| 10:46.06 | Guerin | id IS supported |
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| 10:46.09 | Guerin | sid is too |
| 10:46.16 | Sora_Aoi | yes stfu |
| 10:46.24 | Whisky__ | jethro is an idiot |
| 10:46.29 | Guerin | but ONLY for people who have done their due diligence and aren't complete drooling morons |
| 10:46.32 | jethro | !qotd51 |
| 10:46.32 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 10:46.34 | resiak | Sora_Aoi: You're telling me to stfu for telling you about repeating? |
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| 10:46.44 | jim | Guerin: which it appeared he did |
| 10:46.49 | Sora_Aoi | erm no resiak |
| 10:46.52 | Sora_Aoi | not you sorry wrong person |
| 10:47.01 | jethro | #debian's TZ must make it's still sunday here |
| 10:47.02 | Guerin | jim: wasn't here for it; just commenting on your 'sid isn't supported' line |
| 10:47.09 | resiak | jim: And he, amazingly enough, missed the relevent information, apparently. This is what always happens. :) |
| 10:47.34 | jethro | Guerin: sid isn't supported here. the ones supporting sid here are doing this because they want to. but it's not supposed to be supported here |
| 10:47.45 | scar_ | does anyone have some information about how to set a 3com 3c509 NIC to full duplex mode? I can't find good pages through google |
| 10:47.51 | resiak | Let's all type /clear and get on with our lives? |
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| 10:48.03 | jim | and therefore discussion of sid is NOT forbidden? |
| 10:48.09 | jethro | jim: stfu already |
| 10:48.09 | jm_ | scar_: tried 3c509.txt? |
| 10:48.11 | liable | starfishy: if you normally can find the right resources and you found no reference to the problem you are having in bts, then you should report it. |
| 10:48.20 | Guerin | jethro: yes, it is. |
| 10:48.34 | scar_ | jim, nope never heard of it.... where can I find it? |
| 10:48.38 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:48.40 | tralala | !stop sid wars |
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| 10:48.45 | Guerin | mplayer is broken, broken, broken |
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| 10:48.48 | resiak | !tell debby -about msg |
| 10:48.50 | starfishy | liable: i was going to, but i was going to take one extra step to spare an overworked developer looking at a bug that might not be one because its an isolated problem with my system |
| 10:48.52 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's not debian |
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| 10:49.18 | starfishy | and last time i looked looking at a bug, trying to reproduce it and closing it as not reproducible takes much more time than answering a question |
| 10:49.21 | Guerin | tarzeau: i know. Just sayin'. |
| 10:49.23 | starfishy | ask me how i know |
| 10:49.32 | jim | jethro: who the fuck asked you?? I didn't; don't talk to me at all |
| 10:49.33 | tarzeau | Guerin: why is it so broken? |
| 10:49.38 | liable | starfishy: fair enough, now you can prolly report it, seeing as your last step is completed :) |
| 10:49.45 | starfishy | good :) |
| 10:49.50 | Sora_Aoi | sid wars |
| 10:49.52 | tarzeau | Guerin: i mean come on, vlc and xine are more broken |
| 10:49.52 | starfishy | thats exactly what i wanted to know |
| 10:50.08 | Guerin | tarzeau: unresolved symbols in marillat's packages; build-deps are broken so I can't build my own. |
| 10:50.12 | EruditeH1rmit | hi, when I try to compile a kernel usiong kernel-package, I get a host of errors part of which is make: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: Command not found |
| 10:50.13 | starfishy | anyway, i have to say i am impressed with sid's stability |
| 10:50.15 | EruditeH1rmit | /usr/share/kernel-package/rules:1641: *** Error. I do not know where the kernelimage goes to [kimagedest undefined] |
| 10:50.17 | Guerin | tarzeau: i mean, I could, but I can't be arsed. |
| 10:50.18 | tarzeau | Guerin: oh but that's marillat stuff, not mplayer |
| 10:50.23 | EruditeH1rmit | can anyone help? |
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| 10:50.28 | tarzeau | Guerin: i would never use marillat packages, EVER |
| 10:50.31 | starfishy | especially in the light of ubuntu's recent problems with their unstable branche |
| 10:50.33 | starfishy | branch |
| 10:50.35 | Guerin | tarzeau: yes, i agree, xine and vlc are much more broken. |
| 10:50.39 | tarzeau | starfishy: we don't want to know ubunto |
| 10:50.45 | jim | starfishy: well you know you're not going to be so impressed sometimes |
| 10:50.46 | Guerin | tarzeau: why? Worked fine for me all this time. |
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| 10:50.58 | starfishy | i am curious, tarzeau |
| 10:51.04 | tarzeau | starfishy: we are not. go away |
| 10:51.10 | paulswm | starfishy: gnome was b0rked in sid, not sure if it still is, but, yes, the b0rk was stable |
| 10:51.32 | liable | EruditeH1rmit: dude, you dont know what your doing, so dont do it, you have build-essential though? |
| 10:51.32 | tralala | EruditeH1rmit: if you cannot compile a kernel you should *not* be doing it |
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| 10:51.56 | starfishy | paul: by now i know its borked |
| 10:52.03 | jim | starfishy: the ubuntu or any other "based on" that is not actually debian, they don't even want to hear that |
| 10:52.07 | paulswm | Some people sid systems were consistently unavailable, I guess that's stable. |
| 10:52.14 | EruditeH1rmit | tralala: I can, and have been for a long time, something isn't working though |
| 10:52.22 | starfishy | sorry that i tried to praise the sid deveopers :) |
| 10:52.23 | jim | no questions, discussion, comparisons |
| 10:52.37 | tralala | EruditeH1rmit: you do?! What are you asking about then? |
| 10:52.38 | jim | starfishy: that part is ok! |
| 10:52.39 | EruditeH1rmit | tralala: is this a kernel-package bug? |
| 10:52.39 | starfishy | wont repeat that mistake. |
| 10:52.52 | jim | but not ubuntu or whatever |
| 10:53.01 | bobbens | EruditeH1rmit: if you are the only one with this problem it's unlikely its a bug |
| 10:53.05 | starfishy | ok, point taken |
| 10:53.08 | tralala | EruditeH1rmit: investigate it and find out |
| 10:53.20 | Guerin | tarzeau: fucking xine needs X just to play audio files |
| 10:53.21 | EruditeH1rmit | bobbens: which is why I am asking here |
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| 10:53.22 | jim | you can praise developers all you want to! |
| 10:53.27 | Guerin | tarzeau: that's how broken IT is |
| 10:53.36 | bobbens | EruditeH1rmit: works fine for me on sid and sarge |
| 10:53.40 | EruditeH1rmit | bobbens: only to be met with skepticism and criticism and general angst |
| 10:53.55 | starfishy | ok, then ill say that i am impressed how stable sid has been over the years for me and still is |
| 10:54.02 | tralala | for your actually harmless question, right? |
| 10:54.05 | starfishy | better? :) |
| 10:54.18 | starfishy | what does that have to do with the harmless question? |
| 10:54.19 | paulswm | starfishy: it's just a question of using a distro as it was intended. Sid is intended for testers. If it breaks, you're therefore pretty much on your own, all anyone here can say is "yes it's broken", I think that is what jethro was getting at. |
| 10:54.21 | jim | it's just that you may not always be impressed with stability that might not remain stable :) |
| 10:54.24 | starfishy | i thought we had all typed clear? |
| 10:54.28 | bobbens | EruditeH1rmit: try reading up on forums, always best place to start |
| 10:54.29 | streuner | Guerin: who cares, most people use something different vs. xine to play music files? ;-) |
| 10:54.40 | tarzeau | starfishy: i care |
| 10:54.44 | starfishy | paul: thats all i was trying to ascertain |
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| 10:54.56 | starfishy | if everyone had said 'it works for me' id have looked elsewhere |
| 10:55.01 | EruditeH1rmit | bobbens: will do, but so far nothing |
| 10:55.03 | Guerin | streuner: yeah, i usually use mplayer.... but it's broken too. |
| 10:55.04 | starfishy | i.e. in my own installation |
| 10:55.07 | starfishy | thats the whole point |
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| 10:55.10 | Guerin | streuner: playing mp4 files |
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| 10:55.20 | starfishy | if i come here and ask 'i cant do that, can you help me?' |
| 10:55.21 | streuner | Guerin: and xine? |
| 10:55.29 | starfishy | your criticism would have been more than justified |
| 10:55.31 | bobbens | EruditeH1rmit: try linuxquestions.org they're big and have a howto for kernel-compiling in debian |
| 10:55.35 | liable | EruditeH1rmit: so, you have build-essential installed? |
| 10:55.45 | starfishy | im not doing that though, neither now nor in the past |
| 10:55.54 | EruditeH1rmit | liable: yes |
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| 10:56.05 | jim | starfishy: I think I was more critical of your reception than your questions |
| 10:56.16 | paulswm | starfishy: I hadn't gone back far enough in the logs. I am evidently reprating to you what you said in teh first place! Sorry. |
| 10:56.28 | EruditeH1rmit | I was able to compile stuff yesterday, but I just did a big sid update |
| 10:56.33 | EruditeH1rmit | I don't know what got broken |
| 10:56.35 | starfishy | jim: i think the problem with my reception is that i am not a native speaker and sometimes get things wrong |
| 10:56.41 | EruditeH1rmit | make: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: Command not found |
| 10:56.43 | liable | ffs |
| 10:56.47 | EruditeH1rmit | is that in gcc? |
| 10:56.55 | streuner | paulswm: gnome is not fully updatet in sid yet... |
| 10:56.56 | starfishy | paul: np |
| 10:56.58 | Guerin | streuner: refer above re X to play audio |
| 10:57.12 | Guerin | thankfully there's a mpeg4ip-player package |
| 10:57.16 | streuner | paulswm: s/updatet/uploadet/ |
| 10:57.32 | bobbens | EruditeH1rmit: seems like its a make / gcc problem, you can either wait for a few upgrades or downgrade, though i'd probably wait if it got broken on a recent sid update |
| 10:57.42 | paulswm | streuner: Thanks, I wouldn't know, I don't run sid, but I guess that means we'll continue to see sid/gnome questions here today :( |
| 10:57.47 | streuner | Guerin: how come you have mp4 files? |
| 10:57.52 | tralala | streuner: s/et/ed/ |
| 10:57.58 | streuner | paulswm: sure... |
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| 10:58.16 | jim | starfishy, one thing (that isn't your doing) that you have to realize is this is a stressful place, just due to the sheer number of people here |
| 10:58.25 | starfishy | jim: i realize that |
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| 10:58.40 | jim | helpers get strectched out thin in every way |
| 10:58.45 | starfishy | i just thought that the developer team was even more stressed, which is why i tried to take away from their workload |
| 10:59.03 | starfishy | anyway, if you dont mind me being here ill try to help if i can |
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| 10:59.16 | tralala | starfishy: to take it away from them to us, not to you, right? |
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| 10:59.33 | jim | starfishy: well their load recently peaked and fell off to a degree |
| 10:59.42 | streuner | Guerin: DOH, ic... |
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| 10:59.55 | starfishy | tralala: i assumed (apparently wrongly) that answering a question was quite a bit faster than closing a bug |
| 11:00.07 | starfishy | so i thought id trade a lot of work for a developer for a little work here |
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| 11:00.16 | silverton | I'm having difficulty getting dhcp3-server to work. |
| 11:00.17 | starfishy | unfortunately my grand plan fizzled :( |
| 11:00.24 | tralala | bad assumption |
| 11:00.45 | starfishy | ic |
| 11:00.50 | liable | silverton: details |
| 11:00.57 | paulswm | starfishy: That's great, you obviously have experience, keeping a working fallback to your sid installation displays a comparatively uncommon degree of sense :P |
| 11:01.04 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.22 | silverton | eth0 shows up in "ifconfig" but not gnomes "network settings" |
| 11:01.39 | yam | anyone deal with those dual gigabit nic that come on board on the Intel SE7320VP2? one port is Intel Pro1000 and the other is a Yukon card |
| 11:01.46 | yam | cannot get them to work |
| 11:01.46 | EruditeH1rmit | bobbens: thanks, I think I will try to downgrade from snapshot.debian.net |
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| 11:01.52 | starfishy | paul: thats why i dont come here like a noob, wailing 'sid doesnt love me' |
| 11:02.03 | liable | silverton: but it works, no? |
| 11:02.09 | silverton | no, it doesn't |
| 11:02.12 | silverton | it doesn't start... |
| 11:02.30 | silverton | also, it says not configured to listen on any devices |
| 11:02.36 | starfishy | yam: you got a kernel driver for them? |
| 11:02.37 | silverton | and I'm not positive on how to configure that |
| 11:02.38 | jim | starfishy: it's better to document in the form of a bug... that communication has specific endpoints |
| 11:02.38 | liable | silverton: whats your interfaces file say |
| 11:03.01 | silverton | liable, thanks, only eth1 is stated |
| 11:03.13 | jim | the public and the developers communicate problems via bugs... |
| 11:03.18 | starfishy | jim: point taken, next time ill skip this step, ok? |
| 11:03.26 | silverton | I forgot about that file |
| 11:03.40 | jim | and the developers communicate with the ftp master via the changelog of their package |
| 11:03.44 | liable | !slap silverton |
| 11:03.48 | liable | :D |
| 11:03.51 | silverton | ow... |
| 11:04.18 | silverton | okay not sure what to set for a NIC on this one, since eth1 is a wifi card but "iface eth0 ????" |
| 11:04.27 | silverton | static? |
| 11:04.39 | liable | silverton: man interfaces |
| 11:04.45 | jim | using a sharp, coarse, rusty file :) |
| 11:04.57 | liable | silverton: /usr/share/docs/ifupdown |
| 11:05.16 | liable | silverton: good examples in there ^^ |
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| 11:05.30 | digitalux | hello everybody |
| 11:05.34 | starfishy | a wifi card is declared in an iface statement too |
| 11:05.45 | digitalux | how can i see my battery status ?? |
| 11:05.51 | mosty | digitalux, acpi |
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| 11:05.57 | jim | I want to get into all that wifi stuff... |
| 11:06.02 | digitalux | the gnome applet is telling me there is no battery in my laptop :-S |
| 11:06.04 | digitalux | lol |
| 11:06.06 | jim | but I don't have any wifi stuff yet |
| 11:06.10 | TinoW | digitalux: you are a battery driven robot? ;) |
| 11:06.17 | starfishy | as long as you have a driver the ifupdown doesnt really care whether its wifi or ethernet |
| 11:06.18 | Whisky__ | how do i copy the entire contents of a directory (including sub-directories) to a different directory ? |
| 11:06.19 | liable | digitalux: what lappie |
| 11:06.26 | windowmaker | my cdrom is located at /dev/hda .... yet there is no hda found in /dev ! |
| 11:06.30 | digitalux | Acer Aspire 1680WLMI |
| 11:06.43 | streuner | windowmaker: edit /etc/fstab |
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| 11:06.50 | windowmaker | to what? |
| 11:06.52 | liable | digitalux: lm-sensors maybe? |
| 11:06.59 | streuner | to your needs? |
| 11:07.01 | paulswm | Whisky__: cp -a or cp -r, man cp to see if you want to preserve ownership or not |
| 11:07.04 | starfishy | depending on whether your wifi setup can do dhcp you either have an iface eth1 inet dhcp or an iface eth1 inet static declaration |
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| 11:07.08 | luulis | how could I check from a script, console or something if a picture (png or jpg) is corrupt? |
| 11:07.11 | starfishy | the static declaration needs more info |
| 11:07.21 | windowmaker | what will that do though? how is changing that going to do anythjing? |
| 11:07.23 | Whisky__ | paulswm: k |
| 11:07.30 | digitalux | liable, what is lm-sensors? :-) |
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| 11:07.56 | windowmaker | the mount point of my cdrom drive is /media/cdrom0 but it can't mount because it doesn't see it as a device because /dev/hda is missing |
| 11:07.58 | streuner | windowmaker: dpkg -l udev |
| 11:08.00 | starfishy | windowmaker: do you use devfs? |
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| 11:08.07 | digitalux | is lm-sensors not standard ? :-$ |
| 11:08.08 | danield | sorry, guys, i was away for a while |
| 11:08.13 | windowmaker | nope |
| 11:08.27 | danield | anyone could help me with my CDROM problem ? |
| 11:08.30 | windowmaker | my sata drive is all ext3 (except for swap) |
| 11:08.35 | liable | digitalux: remember google is your friend |
| 11:08.35 | jim | standard in what sense? |
| 11:08.38 | TinoW | luulis: "info" from imagemagick package or via python-image-library for example |
| 11:09.00 | starfishy | devfs has nothing to do with your ext3 |
| 11:09.10 | windowmaker | oh |
| 11:09.10 | starfishy | devfs dynamically creates device nodes in /dev |
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| 11:09.17 | starfishy | otherwise someone has to create them manually |
| 11:09.23 | windowmaker | i thoguht it was a filesystem because of the fs suffix ^^ |
| 11:09.24 | starfishy | either with MAKEDEV or with mknod |
| 11:09.28 | silverton | liable, how do I make my changes to the interfaces file take effect? |
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| 11:09.36 | starfishy | it is a filesystem, just a pseudo filesystem |
| 11:09.44 | silverton | /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 11:09.44 | digitalux | liable, I am using google constantly, but never came across lm-sensors :-$ |
| 11:09.49 | windowmaker | :o |
| 11:09.49 | jim | and used to be, you'd create all you can and /dev would be crowded |
| 11:09.50 | liable | silverton: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:09.51 | starfishy | silverton: ifdown eth1 followed by ifup eth1 |
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| 11:09.58 | windowmaker | i'll try that command you gave me |
| 11:10.00 | starfishy | if you want only this interface |
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| 11:10.27 | HyperZid | anyone know if the module snd-cmipci is supposed to work for my sound card: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738? .. using 2.6.8-2-686? |
| 11:10.41 | liable | digitalux: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=lm-sensors&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 11:10.46 | windowmaker | i don't get it really, i'm still a bit of an00b at linux |
| 11:10.49 | silverton | liable, starfishy, thanks, the dhcp server works now, now to test if it hands out addresses :D |
| 11:11.02 | starfishy | silverton: good :) |
| 11:11.15 | jim | HyperZid: that would be a good question... what hwppens when you load it |
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| 11:12.05 | tralala | !tell windowmaker about n00b |
| 11:12.13 | silverton | hmm...it did |
| 11:12.15 | HyperZid | jim, nothing.. it atleast gets loaded. |
| 11:12.21 | silverton | but, no internet :( |
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| 11:12.35 | starfishy | silverton: are your routes set properly? |
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| 11:12.49 | jim | HyperZid: ok, does dmesg show anything? or maybe /var/log/messages? syslog? |
| 11:12.53 | starfishy | i.e. does your machine know what gateway to use? |
| 11:12.54 | HyperZid | jim, i've tried to adjust all alsa sound settings.. mute/unmute/up/down. and stuff.. thats not the problem |
| 11:13.05 | HyperZid | jim, hold on. let me check |
| 11:13.09 | silverton | starfishy, yes? |
| 11:13.18 | silverton | yes, the gateways are correct and dns servers |
| 11:13.19 | starfishy | what happens if you ping your gateway? |
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| 11:13.35 | silverton | hold |
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| 11:14.05 | jim | HyperZid: well I can't stay... you should watch your logs while you try to modprobe it |
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| 11:14.29 | HyperZid | jim, actually.. seems like the system loaded it already.. its in use.. rmmod snd-cmipci:ERROR: Module snd_cmipci is in use |
| 11:14.34 | silverton | starfishy, from the other PC, I can ping this one |
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| 11:14.40 | silverton | but, I can't ping the DNS server |
| 11:14.44 | HyperZid | jim, I dont get anything in the log |
| 11:14.55 | liable | silverton: you have two interfaces up? |
| 11:14.57 | danield | doean't anyone have any ideas? the 2.6 kernel version of my debian linux doesn't detect the scsi DVDROM |
| 11:15.02 | HyperZid | jim, ok.. thanks so far atleast.. |
| 11:15.07 | silverton | liable, yes |
| 11:15.23 | liable | silverton: and doing what with each? |
| 11:15.37 | starfishy | silverton: what happens if you ping the gateway from this machine? |
| 11:15.39 | silverton | liable, getting the net with eth1, and sharing it to the local net with eth0 |
| 11:15.41 | danield | while the 2.4 version has no problem on working with the DVDROM |
| 11:15.56 | starfishy | what does your default route look like? |
| 11:16.04 | silverton | >.< not sure... |
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| 11:16.24 | stelki | Hello, how do I search for packages in apt? |
| 11:16.32 | starfishy | should look something like this: default router 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 11:16.36 | stelki | Maybe a dpkg word |
| 11:16.38 | tralala | stelki: apt-cache search, man apt-cache |
| 11:16.40 | paulswm | stelki: apt-cache search |
| 11:16.45 | stelki | Thanks |
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| 11:17.07 | silverton | ohh, in the dhcpd.conf? |
| 11:17.20 | liable | silverton: ok, so you want the machine to be a router? |
| 11:17.26 | starfishy | no, when you use the command 'route' |
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| 11:17.27 | silverton | liable, yes |
| 11:17.44 | liable | silverton: google is your friend there. :) |
| 11:17.49 | starfishy | it should have a route into your local network (like 192.168.0.0 or so) and your default route |
| 11:17.59 | starfishy | if you dont have the former you cant see your own network |
| 11:18.10 | starfishy | if you dont have the latter you cant see anything behind the router |
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| 11:18.34 | starfishy | chances are your default route is using interface eth0 |
| 11:18.36 | silverton | starfishy, what you typed, is what I see |
| 11:18.41 | starfishy | good |
| 11:19.03 | starfishy | can you ping the router? |
| 11:19.09 | silverton | I'm online right now |
| 11:19.14 | silverton | so, chances are, yes |
| 11:19.20 | starfishy | good |
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| 11:19.57 | mhz | hi all |
| 11:20.02 | starfishy | now all you need is another route that points into your local network via eth0 :) |
| 11:20.16 | silverton | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 11:20.19 | silverton | like that? |
| 11:20.22 | starfishy | yup |
| 11:20.25 | starfishy | that looks good |
| 11:20.27 | silverton | that's already there |
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| 11:20.30 | starfishy | now put up a firewall |
| 11:20.31 | silverton | along with one for 192.168.1.0 |
| 11:20.33 | starfishy | ;) |
| 11:20.39 | mhz | What do I need to specify in order to let FireStarter accpet NFS from certain range of local IP's??? |
| 11:20.54 | silverton | oh yeah! I need to set up NAT now...durrr |
| 11:20.58 | starfishy | yup |
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| 11:21.06 | EruditeH1rmit | jut thought, i'd let you know that kernel-package in incoming fixes the problem |
| 11:21.08 | starfishy | well, i must be off |
| 11:21.11 | silverton | I use windows for two days and I'm already stupidified |
| 11:21.15 | EruditeH1rmit | thanks |
| 11:21.34 | starfishy | silverton: thats normal |
| 11:21.40 | starfishy | fortunately the effect wears off |
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| 11:21.53 | mhz | anyone using a firewall? |
| 11:22.00 | tralala | !anyone use |
| 11:22.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:22.01 | mhz | anyone using fireStarter? |
| 11:22.07 | moedontknow | I need to move 2 drives (hde, and hdg) from an offboard ide card to onboard on another mobo (to hdc, and hdd) they each have seperate lvm2 volume groups on them and I need to accomodate debians 2.4.27 canned initrd.img (pivot_root issues) can someone advise me how to do this successfully? |
| 11:22.15 | paulswm | see ya starfishy |
| 11:22.39 | starfishy | next time no 'harmless questions'/ promies. |
| 11:22.44 | starfishy | promise |
| 11:22.51 | paulswm | !fruitsmite starfishy |
| 11:22.52 | Guerin | starfishy: what's a harmless question? |
| 11:22.55 | tralala | thanks |
| 11:22.56 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:23.09 | sep | moedontknow: 1. take backups! |
| 11:23.21 | MooseMorals | Hi, I've got two clocks, and I don't know which is corrent. Is UT currently 23 or 26 minutes past? |
| 11:23.23 | moedontknow | sep too much data =P |
| 11:23.26 | beeblebrox87 | what's a harmful question? |
| 11:23.32 | beeblebrox87 | also, is hurd any good? |
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| 11:23.38 | paulswm | Guerin: There was a bit of an animated discussion about support of sid, I think it was all a bit of a misunderstanding |
| 11:23.50 | moedontknow | sep, tho I'd love to take backups |
| 11:23.50 | liable | moedontknow: 23 here |
| 11:24.06 | Kvant | MooseMorals: |
| 11:24.08 | Kvant | 11:24:08 |
| 11:24.10 | Guerin | i caught the end of it |
| 11:24.13 | intension | paulswm what do i do about a pm with porn advert ? |
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| 11:24.27 | Guerin | it was a stupid discussion, but I have to say that my two lines of input were correct. |
| 11:24.30 | MooseMorals | Thanks |
| 11:24.36 | Guerin | intension: read the topic |
| 11:24.55 | paulswm | intension: tell the ops -- what is the bot's nick? |
| 11:25.14 | HyperZid | to be able to record from the microphone.. what channels do I have to mark with "record"? |
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| 11:25.40 | Guerin | HyperZid: using alsamixer? |
| 11:25.49 | HyperZid | Guerin, yes |
| 11:26.04 | K_Dallas | HyperZid, mic ? |
| 11:26.13 | HyperZid | only that one? |
| 11:26.23 | HyperZid | dosnt work. |
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| 11:26.35 | tralala | HyperZid: sometimes there is somthing like "capture" that needs to be enabled as well |
| 11:26.36 | K_Dallas | there is mic boos which i dont know what it is but you coudl try all of them |
| 11:26.44 | Guerin | HyperZid: you need to have it say 'captur' and not be muted |
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| 11:26.49 | K_Dallas | what proram do you use? |
| 11:26.57 | paulswm | !ops Emun is onjoin pron spam |
| 11:26.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Emun is onjoin pron spam |
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| 11:27.03 | HyperZid | Guerin, its not muted.. but how can I get the capture option? |
| 11:27.05 | tralala | K_Dallas: /lastlog HyperZid |
| 11:27.13 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 11:27.13 | Guerin | HyperZid: hit f5 for all controls |
| 11:27.31 | FlimFlamMan | i just got porn spam from Enum |
| 11:27.34 | Guerin | it should be a note on startup - it only runs with playback controls by default |
| 11:27.45 | paulswm | FlimFlamMan: I called the ops |
| 11:27.46 | liable | FlimFlamMan: reported |
| 11:27.49 | FlimFlamMan | thx |
| 11:27.53 | tralala | !thx |
| 11:27.53 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 11:28.00 | bobbens | paulswm: you missed spelled Emun -> Enum :P |
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| 11:28.18 | paulswm | !ops Enum is onjoin pron spam, sorry |
| 11:28.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Enum is onjoin pron spam, sorry |
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| 11:28.38 | tralala | bobbens: the ops are smart enough - they'll figure it out |
| 11:29.02 | bobbens | tralala: i dont doubt it, but always nicer to spell it right :P |
| 11:29.24 | tralala | indeed, but we all know that shit happens |
| 11:29.29 | peeder | pron? where?? |
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| 11:29.54 | liable | peeder: heard of the internet :) |
| 11:29.54 | scar_ | why is it, that mii-diag always says: no mii transreciever present? |
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| 11:30.11 | mlado | hi |
| 11:30.11 | sep | scar_ not all nic's support mii |
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| 11:30.39 | HyperZid | Guerin, ok. now I found capture/mic.. but it had full volume. still dosnt work |
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| 11:31.00 | HyperZid | had to use the txt based alsamixer.. and not alsamixergui.. |
| 11:31.01 | Guerin | HyperZid: beats me, then. That's always workedforme. |
| 11:31.14 | bwlang | what's a typical value for hardware ecc recovered from smartctl -a /dev/hdX... - i've got 121379318 - seems very high to me |
| 11:31.16 | scar_ | sep, hm okay but how can I manually set the 3com options for the module? |
| 11:31.18 | liable | text based? |
| 11:31.25 | tarzeau | scar_: in /etc/modules |
| 11:31.43 | tralala | amix |
| 11:31.53 | tralala | s/text/cli/ |
| 11:32.11 | liable | ncurses? |
| 11:32.13 | mlado | i need help with distro sarge, with sshd. How i don`t display service banner SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 in sshd ? |
| 11:32.15 | mhz | What do I need to specify in order to let FireStarter accpet NFS from certain range of local IP's??? |
| 11:32.25 | tralala | ah, my bad - didn't get it |
| 11:32.47 | sep | scar_ iirc for 3coms you set them with module parameters |
| 11:32.52 | tarzeau | mlado: YOU CAN-T |
| 11:33.02 | tarzeau | mlado: it belongs to the protocol, at least the SSH-2.0 |
| 11:33.23 | mlado | it`s bad |
| 11:33.24 | tarzeau | mlado: you need help with a doctor against paranoia, maybe |
| 11:33.27 | tarzeau | mlado: no it's not |
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| 11:33.47 | tralala | mlado: even if you manage to do it you wont hide your software version from nmap |
| 11:33.53 | liable | streuner: santana going here :) |
| 11:34.05 | sep | !iirc |
| 11:34.05 | mlado | i find this solution "Open /version.h and cut the "_3.5p1" from the end. Re-compile and it's done." its work ? |
| 11:34.05 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 11:34.13 | streuner | liable: heh? you know the group? :-) |
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| 11:34.20 | sep | !tell scar_ about msg |
| 11:34.37 | tarzeau | mlado: if you have to ask .. oh well |
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| 11:35.18 | tralala | mlado: then again - nmap will discover it |
| 11:35.24 | liable | streuner: king orgasmus? no. Just expressing what I am listening too. :) |
| 11:35.28 | scar_ | sep, alright, learned that lection. but how can I verify, that the nic is loaded as a module? |
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| 11:35.57 | tarzeau | tralala: you can run ssh on another port that nmap doesn't scan by default |
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| 11:36.02 | streuner | liable: german Rap |
| 11:36.11 | tarzeau | tralala: or even better, run not openssh but gnu ssh |
| 11:36.21 | cthulfuego | tarzeau: If you want to hack a box, you scan ALL ports anyway |
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| 11:36.44 | bobbens | scar_: lsmod | grep <mod name> -> should return the name if it is loaded |
| 11:36.49 | cthulfuego | mlado: if you don't want people to find ssh, block port 22 for all Ips and allow only the ones you use. |
| 11:36.52 | mlado | and when i change wersion sshd in version.c ? |
| 11:37.03 | tralala | tarzeau: gnu ssh isn't something I was aware of. Anyway running it on another port doesn't help much more that fucking around with its ID. |
| 11:37.20 | cthulfuego | mlado: it's _pointless_ |
| 11:37.25 | mlado | yes firewall is good idea :-) |
| 11:37.42 | tralala | it is the best known idea |
| 11:37.44 | tarzeau | cthulfuego: 90% are scans by, say port 22 only (much faster for a lot of hosts) |
| 11:38.00 | tarzeau | cthulfuego: thank you for telling him that it's pointless |
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| 11:38.10 | cthulfuego | tarzeau: That can be countered by havign a non-shite password or using key auth. |
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| 11:38.28 | liable | mlado: allow only key authentication, no passwords. |
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| 11:39.03 | Karhuton | User "Enum" spams about porn |
| 11:39.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol apt |
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| 11:39.12 | xinming1983 | I've install debian-cd package. so anyone here can tell me how to run the program comes with debian-cd package. :-S |
| 11:39.18 | bobbens | Karhuton: already been reported to ops, just need one to ban him |
| 11:39.21 | tralala | thit is another good idea (tm) but it doesn't protect against vulnerabilities |
| 11:39.24 | scar_ | tarzeau, and it is not /etc/modules.conf to edit eth0 module parameters? |
| 11:39.25 | Anders1 | Karhuton, dit for me too |
| 11:39.26 | Anders1 | did* |
| 11:39.41 | Guerin | the ops have been notified |
| 11:39.45 | Guerin | just chill |
| 11:39.47 | cthulfuego | tralala: no, only not running ssh protects against ssh vulnerabilities. |
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| 11:40.01 | Guerin | tarzeau: there is gnu ssh? |
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| 11:40.27 | tralala | cthulfuego: a 100% you mean. A firewall however would do it as far as 99% |
| 11:40.37 | tarzeau | Guerin: sure! look for lsh (client/server) |
| 11:40.41 | Guerin | bah, firewall schmirewall |
| 11:40.42 | yam | no one with Intel SE7320VP2 board? |
| 11:40.50 | tarzeau | scar_: you were asking for module parameters, and that's /etc/modules |
| 11:40.54 | cthulfuego | tralala: If he's worried about hackers and has no firewall yet, he's insane and can be ignored, i think. |
| 11:40.57 | liable | Guerin: it all helps. |
| 11:40.58 | sep | !tell yam about polls |
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| 11:42.30 | Guerin | liable: in the case of a single box running no unnecessary and unsecured services, a firewall provides exactly 0 security gain. |
| 11:42.43 | projectphoenix | Can someone kick the Enum porn bot? |
| 11:42.53 | Guerin | projectphoenix: it's being worked on |
| 11:42.53 | liable | Guerin: erm, werent we talking about ssh? |
| 11:42.58 | projectphoenix | thanks |
| 11:43.10 | Guerin | liable: you were going to firewall off ssh? |
| 11:43.17 | Guerin | that's useful. |
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| 11:44.00 | liable | Guerin: bah, no, bleh nevermind |
| 11:44.08 | martinja | Thanks enum, just what I needed |
| 11:44.17 | martinja | No active ops here :& |
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| 11:44.30 | Guerin | liable: no, I'm curious as to what you mean. |
| 11:44.37 | stelki | Hmm, if I have a VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] NIC, what driver should I use? I cant seem to find the rhine one? |
| 11:44.42 | mlado | ok, bYe all :-) |
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| 11:44.48 | tralala | Guerin: fuck it, it really doesn't matter |
| 11:44.56 | stelki | Or is that the tulip family? |
| 11:45.08 | sep | stelki: it's called via-rhine iirc |
| 11:45.16 | directhex|work | via-rhine.ko |
| 11:45.25 | liable | Guerin: have a firewall accept ssh from only certain ip's as someone else here stated, which was what I was getting at. |
| 11:45.26 | directhex|work | modprobe via-rhine |
| 11:45.29 | stelki | sep, oh yes, my fault, thanks |
| 11:45.32 | stelki | directhex|work, found it =) |
| 11:45.34 | martinja | Damn it, forgot what I had a problem with :& |
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| 11:45.45 | Guerin | tarzeau: doesn't conflict with ssh, yay. |
| 11:45.45 | tralala | stelki: I personally use via-velocity, but that's for 1gb |
| 11:46.02 | directhex|work | i personally don't have any via PHY's. even on my via k8t890 motherboard |
| 11:46.09 | Guerin | liable: why, when you can have the sshd only accept connections from those addresses? |
| 11:46.22 | giupy | i have reiserfs on all my partition under lvm, i have 80gb free for resize my partition, if i try resize_reiserfs -f /dev/mapper/volume-home i recive this msg |
| 11:46.23 | giupy | /dev/mapper/volume-home already is of the needed size. Nothing to be done |
| 11:46.27 | stelki | tralala, never had problems with via-rhine, so will just stick to htat :) |
| 11:46.29 | tarzeau | Guerin: also tried remote x? |
| 11:46.33 | martinja | What was the program that would help me with managing installations? |
| 11:46.41 | Guerin | tarzeau: haven't tried it yet |
| 11:46.44 | tarzeau | Guerin: what's the banner of it again? |
| 11:46.51 | tralala | stelki: I thought it wasn't working for you, nm. |
| 11:47.01 | giupy | i have made something wrong during installation ? |
| 11:47.03 | martinja | Btw, if I package something into a deb, will it be easy to uninstall it later? |
| 11:47.03 | liable | Guerin: not sshd the firewall. |
| 11:47.17 | directhex|work | martinja, yes, trivial. |
| 11:47.39 | directhex|work | martinja, "aptitude purge packagename" |
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| 11:48.01 | martinja | cool |
| 11:48.17 | martinja | Now ill just have to find a good how to for making .deb files from source |
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| 11:48.54 | Guerin | liable: i know what you mean, but again, why bother firewalling when the daemon itself has this functionality built in? I mean, you could have BOTH layers making the check, but that's no gain... |
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| 11:49.05 | Guerin | martinja: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 11:49.08 | stelki | Anybody got a guide on setting up framebuffer in debian? |
| 11:50.00 | beardy | stelki: Google probably, also check the Documentation directory in your kernel source tree. |
| 11:50.03 | martinja | Thanks guerin |
| 11:50.11 | simonrvn | @ops Enum spam bot |
| 11:50.12 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Enum spam bot |
| 11:50.14 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test2 |
| 11:50.14 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 11:50.14 | martinja | How do I make synaptic only display installed packages? |
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| 11:51.27 | beardy | stelki: the prebuilt kernels have framebuffer configured as default (woody:s did at least) so maybe you could check their config? |
| 11:51.30 | stelki | beardy, rogah |
| 11:51.36 | stelki | beardy, good idea =) |
| 11:51.44 | mikeX | hello, I'm getting this error after an accidental reset when I try to launch a kde application (If i hit ok it launches though): "There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned by the system was: Could not read network connection list. /home/<user>/.DCOPserver_<hostname>__0 Plese check that the 'dcopserver' program is running!" |
| 11:51.49 | mikeX | and the program is running |
| 11:51.50 | beeblebrox87 | what is the status of the debian fcc/scc mirror split as discussed in the vancouver message on debian-devel-announce@ ? |
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| 11:53.11 | tralala | mikeX: exit kde and remove this file |
| 11:53.24 | mikeX | tralala, the file does not exist |
| 11:53.30 | martinja | so dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot will be able to make anything into a .deb installer? |
| 11:53.57 | simonrvn | no. .deb package file(s) |
| 11:54.05 | cheal | martinja: you click "Installed" in the left tab |
| 11:54.38 | martinja | cheal : I dont see such tab |
| 11:54.41 | tralala | mikeX: what does dcop say? |
| 11:54.57 | martinja | I see it now |
| 11:55.03 | martinja | had to click first _status_ |
| 11:55.12 | mikeX | tralala, ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! |
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| 11:55.16 | martinja | Thank you |
| 11:55.29 | tralala | mikeX: so dcopserver isn't running. Restart kde. |
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| 11:56.04 | martinja | Simonrvn : with that .deb package file, will I be able to do dpkg -i newdebfile.deb ? |
| 11:56.12 | simonrvn | of course |
| 11:56.14 | mikeX | tralala, I'm not in kde, 3369 ? 00:00:00 dcopserver, 3703 ? 00:00:00 dcopserver, 3892 ? 00:00:00 dcopserver, 4195 ? 00:00:00 dcopserver |
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| 11:56.19 | martinja | great |
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| 11:56.38 | mikeX | tralala, will killing kdeinit work? restarting the whole system didn't work though |
| 11:56.41 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: AIUI, nothing is going to change without a GR |
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| 11:57.17 | martinja | What is the program that helps you manage none .deb installations? |
| 11:57.20 | mikeX | tralala, that was a ps -A | grep dcop |
| 11:57.22 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: i'm probably wrong, though. |
| 11:57.40 | tralala | mikeX: it didn't?! Something is *very* wrong then. Investigate it. |
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| 11:57.59 | mikeX | tralala, lol : D I'm trying to ... |
| 11:58.00 | source1983 | what is the latest version of Debian ? |
| 11:58.10 | directhex|work | source1983, 3.1 |
| 11:58.14 | simonrvn | 3.1 |
| 11:58.24 | mikeX | tralala, even tried --reinstall kdelibs, isn't dcop in there? |
| 11:58.37 | source1983 | how many DVD's are for the 3.1 ? |
| 11:58.41 | martinja | 2 |
| 11:58.44 | simonrvn | 16 000 |
| 11:58.57 | directhex|work | 2 dvds for binaries, 3 for source |
| 11:59.04 | tralala | mikeX: /var/log/XFree*.0.log, $HOME/.xsession-errors are good starting points |
| 11:59.10 | source1983 | thanks |
| 11:59.11 | stelki | Last question for now, where do I enable support for my motherboards' chipset? |
| 11:59.25 | directhex|work | that's 2 for binaries per platform, so 25 dvds for all of debian 3.1 |
| 11:59.26 | tralala | mikeX: dpkg -S $(which dcop) |
| 11:59.31 | tarzeau | directhex|work: 3d dvd's for source? |
| 11:59.32 | directhex|work | stelki, what chipset? |
| 11:59.36 | source1983 | can you please tell me that how many packages would be there in 3.1 ? |
| 11:59.38 | mikeX | tralala, thanks : ) |
| 11:59.44 | martinja | :S |
| 11:59.45 | tarzeau | only because it's 14 and a half cd? |
| 11:59.47 | simonrvn | over 15 000 |
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| 11:59.54 | stelki | directhex|work, via |
| 11:59.58 | directhex|work | tarzeau, that's what i said. |
| 12:00.09 | martinja | You could get a helloalot packages as well nia the http&ftp install I think |
| 12:00.19 | tarzeau | source1983: there's even more packages in sid |
| 12:00.36 | source1983 | how much disk space will debian 3.1 need for a complete installation and also what is " sid " ? |
| 12:00.46 | directhex|work | stelki, via have released more than once motherboard chipset. offhand, i can think of k8t890, k8t880, kt600, kt400a, kt400, kt333, kt266, kt133, kt133a |
| 12:00.49 | directhex|work | and many more |
| 12:00.52 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 12:00.52 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 12:00.56 | simonrvn | you won't be installing all of sarge... |
| 12:00.59 | tarzeau | source1983: nobody will ever install all packages |
| 12:01.05 | directhex|work | source1983, no such thing as a "complete installation", and sid is debian unstable, the daily changing development branch |
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| 12:01.10 | tarzeau | source1983: but usually my workstatiosn are 1 - 10 gb |
| 12:01.12 | martinja | !sarge faq |
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| 12:01.18 | martinja | !etch faq |
| 12:01.20 | mikeX | tralala, xsession-errors has a 'timeout in locking .ICEauthority |
| 12:01.22 | source1983 | i want to install complete debian 3.1 |
| 12:01.27 | martinja | scary |
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| 12:01.29 | tarzeau | source1983: you can't |
| 12:01.32 | stelki | directhex|work, KT400 it would be then, according to lspci |
| 12:01.32 | directhex|work | source1983, no such thing. |
| 12:01.36 | tarzeau | source1983: there's some packages that conflict others |
| 12:01.43 | simonrvn | source1983: re-read what was said |
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| 12:01.46 | tralala | source1983: there is no "complete install" in debian. I'm fitting my installations in less than 5GB usually. |
| 12:01.46 | source1983 | i have 240 GB hard disk |
| 12:01.51 | martinja | Why on earth do you want to install all? |
| 12:02.00 | cyber1|xkR | Ban Enum someone - ad bot |
| 12:02.00 | Trev1 | Morning |
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| 12:02.02 | tarzeau | source1983: i have a penis larger than a horse. i want to fuck pamela anderson |
| 12:02.03 | directhex|work | source1983, so? there is no such thing as a "complete" debian installation |
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| 12:02.06 | source1983 | i want to test all the packages that's why |
| 12:02.08 | martinja | cthanks cyber |
| 12:02.12 | tralala | mikeX: there is your answer - check what's wrong with this file. |
| 12:02.12 | beeblebrox87 | source1983: what do you mean "complete"? |
| 12:02.15 | directhex|work | source1983, all 17,000 packages? |
| 12:02.15 | Guerin | tralala: usually??? |
| 12:02.17 | Trev1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.27 | Guerin | man, my biggest install is just over 1G |
| 12:02.28 | beeblebrox87 | source1983: every single linux program ever written? |
| 12:02.33 | martinja | source1983 just install standard |
| 12:02.39 | martinja | and use synaptic to install packages |
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| 12:02.52 | source1983 | are the two dvd's containing all the packages ( > 15 thoushands) |
| 12:02.52 | martinja | it is very easy and you will never bea ble to test all packages |
| 12:03.06 | tralala | Guerin: I guess you don't install all the bullshit out there just to see it, neither kde, neither games... |
| 12:03.07 | martinja | Atleast not at the same time so it is foolish to have them all installed |
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| 12:03.27 | tarzeau | tralala: hey games are not bullshit |
| 12:03.31 | Guerin | tralala: kde+X+base is about 500MB... |
| 12:03.32 | mattford63 | Hi, a debian box of mine has been hacked. Chkrootkit and RKhunter have found evidence of a rootkit (ShKit). What's my next step in examining the files? The "string" command on popular utilities doesn't reveal much.... |
| 12:03.32 | tarzeau | tralala: but i agree on kde |
| 12:03.34 | source1983 | i have a workstation with 240 gb of hard disk space free and currently i m running debian woody 3.0 rc 1 |
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| 12:03.47 | tarzeau | mattford63: remove the network cable |
| 12:03.55 | mattford63 | I've done that! |
| 12:03.57 | Guerin | source1983: yes. those two dvds contain all of debian sarge |
| 12:04.00 | tralala | tarzeau: I sepparated both the kde and the games from the bullshit :)\ |
| 12:04.02 | source1983 | what's the kernel provided in 3.1 |
| 12:04.09 | tarzeau | mattford63: power down the system, and read the disk from another system |
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| 12:04.16 | mattford63 | I'm doing that as we speak. |
| 12:04.22 | directhex|work | source1983, the two dvds contain all of "main" in debian 3.1, for a single architecture. they do not contain source code, non-free packages, or contrib packages |
| 12:04.31 | directhex|work | source1983, 2.4.27 or 2.6.8, your choice |
| 12:04.38 | mattford63 | Just not sure what to do now i've drawn a blank. |
| 12:04.39 | source1983 | ok |
| 12:04.51 | Guerin | mattford63: analyse logs to see how it got in... good luck, since most will cover their trackks. |
| 12:04.56 | tralala | tralala: and, btw, bullshit varies from person to person. For me (for example) it is the speech synthesizer I've installed just for fun. |
| 12:05.00 | simonrvn | aah, there we go |
| 12:05.03 | mattford63 | I've got an encrypted ld.so.hash and that is it. Logs are empty. |
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| 12:05.08 | mikeX | tralala, is it ok if I just delete that? |
| 12:05.09 | Guerin | mattford63: keeping up-to-date with security? what branch of debian? |
| 12:05.09 | source1983 | are there modem drivers for smart-link in-built into sarge ? |
| 12:05.17 | tarzeau | mattford63: know how it was hacked? got php? |
| 12:05.22 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:05.23 | tico | hello I've been looking in Google about html compiler but i just found for windows can anyone tell me the name of a html compiler in linux? |
| 12:05.24 | Gnea | hrm, something isn't right here... |
| 12:05.24 | beeblebrox87 | source1983: note that you could never install every package on the two DVDs because some of them are mutually exclusive |
| 12:05.25 | Gnea | 0000:01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] |
| 12:05.25 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.27 | tralala | mikeX: afair, yes |
| 12:05.33 | tarzeau | mattford63: reinstall the machine |
| 12:05.38 | mikeX | ok thanks |
| 12:05.38 | tarzeau | mattford63: read debian-harden |
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| 12:05.40 | nkuttler | tico: compiler? |
| 12:05.41 | Guerin | tralala: um, html isn't compiled. |
| 12:05.42 | mattford63 | logs are remote and they don't have anything out of the ordinary. |
| 12:05.42 | tarzeau | !debian-harden |
| 12:05.46 | source1983 | ok but what's the complete install will take space ? |
| 12:05.48 | Guerin | tico: ^^^ |
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| 12:05.51 | Gnea | it's a 1370, how can it be unknown to 2.6.11?! |
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| 12:05.59 | directhex|work | source1983, THERE IS NO COMPLETE INSTALL. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE |
| 12:06.00 | Guerin | !harden-doc |
| 12:06.00 | dpkg | harden-doc is probably http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 12:06.01 | tralala | Guerin: uh, huh? |
| 12:06.02 | tico | nkuttler: yup |
| 12:06.03 | saloxin | anyone know a shop that a) has sarge dvd's (3.1r0a) and b) ships to .. norway? |
| 12:06.05 | tarzeau | Guerin: thanks |
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| 12:06.07 | Guerin | tralala: mah bayd. |
| 12:06.12 | source1983 | ok directthex|work |
| 12:06.17 | mattford63 | hmmmm |
| 12:06.25 | martinja | Just let him try it: |
| 12:06.26 | tarzeau | directhex|work: heh, and it's not even weekend |
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| 12:06.36 | martinja | Anyways, has anyone here used Stow? |
| 12:06.36 | source1983 | is anybody tell me how to get debian at low cost in india ? |
| 12:06.38 | OldakQuill | I download the netinst disk prior to the fix - do I need to redownload it? |
| 12:06.42 | tralala | Guerin: ok, so kde+X+base is small, but all the rest is not :) |
| 12:06.45 | Guerin | mattford63: i use checkinstall instead |
| 12:06.46 | beeblebrox87 | source1983: download it |
| 12:06.49 | directhex|work | tarzeau, starting early today |
| 12:06.50 | jethro | !moron jim |
| 12:06.52 | dpkg | jim: You are moron #95 |
| 12:06.54 | simonrvn | tarzeau: no, but sunday often leaks into monday, tuesday, wednesday... |
| 12:06.57 | martinja | source1983 get the network install cd and install from http/ftp |
| 12:06.58 | source1983 | don't have that much speed here !! |
| 12:06.58 | mattford63 | I'd like to be a little bit more forensic about this. What tools/papers are out there? Is it too late - should I've installed snort before? |
| 12:07.09 | martinja | Ah ok |
| 12:07.11 | intension | tico what do you want to do ? |
| 12:07.14 | martinja | Google is your friend? |
| 12:07.15 | source1983 | only 10kb/sec is here |
| 12:07.17 | tarzeau | mattford63: no snort would have done nothing |
| 12:07.19 | squall | hi, how to patch my Kernel on debian Sarge for MPPE support |
| 12:07.20 | martinja | That is scary |
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| 12:07.26 | tarzeau | mattford63: you should run better software |
| 12:07.32 | tarzeau | mattford63: and configure it better. did you read !harden-doc yet? |
| 12:07.34 | simonrvn | snort only detects, it doesn't prevent nor does it take action (you have to do other stuff to react to snort alerts) |
| 12:07.35 | martinja | I whine when I get less than 1000kb/s |
| 12:07.51 | tarzeau | mattford63: http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?thold=-1&mode=flat&order=1&sid=235#1538 |
| 12:07.54 | beeblebrox87 | source1983: then don't download everything |
| 12:07.55 | source1983 | i don't have at much speed in india |
| 12:07.59 | mattford63 | Sure but at the moment I don't even know what was altered. |
| 12:08.01 | beeblebrox87 | source1983: just the packages you need |
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| 12:08.10 | tarzeau | source1983: you can order cds? |
| 12:08.11 | mattford63 | Just one rouge file ld.conf.hash. |
| 12:08.11 | source1983 | i want the complete two dvd set |
| 12:08.14 | cyrille_ | how can I login as root without having to give my root password? |
| 12:08.16 | mikaEL` | how can I mount an ISO image in Linux ? |
| 12:08.19 | martinja | Google where to get it cheaply. |
| 12:08.21 | beeblebrox87 | source1983: why do you want the DVDs? |
| 12:08.24 | giupy | how to resize reiserfs under lvm ? |
| 12:08.29 | source1983 | i love debian |
| 12:08.30 | beeblebrox87 | source1983: they're full of packages nobody wants, needs, or uses |
| 12:08.34 | tarzeau | source1983: http://www.nl.debian.org/CD/vendors |
| 12:08.36 | source1983 | i want all |
| 12:08.40 | stelki | Where in menuconfig do I enable support for my chipset, VIA KT400? |
| 12:08.41 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 12:08.41 | cyrille_ | mikaEL`, mount your_image your_dir -o loop |
| 12:08.43 | source1983 | thanks for the vendor list |
| 12:08.49 | beeblebrox87 | !moron source1983 |
| 12:08.51 | dpkg | source1983: You are moron #99 |
| 12:08.57 | tralala | beeblebrox87: s/nobody/me/ |
| 12:09.00 | Gnea | !sargedvd |
| 12:09.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, sargedvd is http://www.dddi.nl/neword_en.html also search google for the terms: 'debian dvd sale' (without quotes) |
| 12:09.05 | source1983 | !moron |
| 12:09.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, moron is someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg" |
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| 12:09.17 | overnout | mikaEL`: something like mount -t iso9660 -o loop isofile <mntdir> |
| 12:09.29 | beeblebrox87 | tralala: what do you want them for? |
| 12:09.38 | mikaEL` | thanx overnout |
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| 12:09.42 | *** part/#debian kag1 (~keving@187.193-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 12:09.43 | Guerin | hey |
| 12:09.44 | source1983 | there is some one name Enum who is disturbing me please help |
| 12:09.45 | martinja | How do you know what isoformat it is in? |
| 12:09.47 | directhex|work | stelki, it seems you don't understand how motherboard chipsets work these days. you don't need to do anything explicit to make kt400a work, other than basics like via ide controller. what you need to worry about are helper chips, such as ethernet controller, sound chip, etc etc etc |
| 12:09.49 | Guerin | let the dude have them if he wants |
| 12:09.54 | martinja | we know source1983 |
| 12:09.56 | directhex|work | stelki, please, don't compile your own kernel. |
| 12:09.58 | Gnea | source1983: /ignore enum all |
| 12:10.01 | tralala | beeblebrox87: I want torcs to play it, for example. Other questions? |
| 12:10.01 | source1983 | he is telling me to watch pr0n !! |
| 12:10.14 | beeblebrox87 | source1983: the packages on the DVDs are already outdated. what do you want them all for? |
| 12:10.15 | Guerin | source1983: the ops are on crack^W^W asleep now, just /ignore |
| 12:10.18 | beeblebrox87 | tralala: torcs? |
| 12:10.28 | martinja | source1983 the ops are watching the porn |
| 12:10.33 | source1983 | just because i love debian |
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| 12:10.55 | tralala | beeblebrox87: /msg dpkg find torcs |
| 12:10.57 | Guerin | source1983: ok. so go to linuxiso.com or someplace similar and buy some dvds. Godspeed! |
| 12:11.13 | source1983 | oh i get one site buylinuxdvd.com |
| 12:11.15 | beeblebrox87 | tralala: you cannot want both lpr and lprng |
| 12:11.19 | simonrvn | enum got k-lined, then re-joined |
| 12:11.25 | source1983 | 2 linux dvd at 299 Rupess |
| 12:11.30 | simonrvn | ? |
| 12:11.31 | martinja | http://www.nl.debian.org/CD/vendors/index.en-gb.html#in india vendors |
| 12:11.32 | Gnea | !tell source1983 about sargedvd |
| 12:11.33 | source1983 | thanks for the vendor list u all |
| 12:11.35 | directhex|work | beeblebrox87, i wasn't aware there were any security updates in sarge yet, so the dvds are no older than the web |
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| 12:11.51 | Gnea | linuxiso.com is slow |
| 12:11.52 | simonrvn | [08:03:46] * Enum has quit (K-lined) |
| 12:11.59 | tralala | beeblebrox87: don't be a moron - the packages that are not needed by anybody are getting droped with the time |
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| 12:12.09 | martinja | These swedish vendors are expensive |
| 12:12.11 | beeblebrox87 | directhex|work: there are newer packages in sid |
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| 12:12.26 | directhex|work | beeblebrox87, nobody should be running sid, especially not at the moment |
| 12:12.31 | martinja | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.37 | source1983 | what IRC client does debian sarge comes in with ? |
| 12:12.39 | beeblebrox87 | tralala: there are conflicting packages in debian, you cannot have them all. |
| 12:12.46 | jethro | source1983: none |
| 12:12.50 | martinja | ye |
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| 12:12.54 | source1983 | what that mean |
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| 12:13.00 | jethro | source1983: you need to install one |
| 12:13.03 | martinja | Well via network install it did install x-chat for me |
| 12:13.04 | beeblebrox87 | directhex|work: if nobody runs it how will it get tested and improved? |
| 12:13.04 | source1983 | this mean i m deprived of IRC on debian |
| 12:13.08 | directhex|work | source1983, about 15 different ones, you install the one of your chouice |
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| 12:13.25 | source1983 | they come with the 2 dvd's yes or no |
| 12:13.26 | tico | intension: is there a way to see the errors in html or just the browser? |
| 12:13.28 | jetx | !comfort source1983 |
| 12:13.28 | martinja | You can install others for yourself as well. |
| 12:13.29 | dpkg | There, there, source1983. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:13.29 | jethro | source1983: it means there is no default, you need to choose one |
| 12:13.34 | martinja | Yes, 2 dvds. |
| 12:13.37 | directhex|work | jms@dhcpa6:~$ apt-cache search "irc client" | wc |
| 12:13.37 | directhex|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.40 | source1983 | ok |
| 12:13.48 | tralala | beeblebrox87: if you mean you don't need all the packages at once, you are right. Howerver skipping "at once" gives the meaning that there are a plenty of packages in debian that nobody needs. |
| 12:13.51 | source1983 | thanks directhex|work |
| 12:13.56 | martinja | Is debian.org not loading or what? |
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| 12:14.10 | source1983 | is there any online debian forums ? |
| 12:14.13 | beeblebrox87 | tralala: how many packages have actually been dropped from debian? |
| 12:14.24 | directhex|work | source1983, no official ones. there may be some on debian.net |
| 12:14.24 | paulswm | martinja: it's fine for me. |
| 12:14.34 | directhex|work | beeblebrox87, plenty of packages get removed, but even more get added |
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| 12:14.39 | tralala | !fgi source1983 online+debian+forums |
| 12:14.41 | dpkg | source1983: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=online+debian+forums |
| 12:14.57 | martinja | why isnt source1983 using debian.org? |
| 12:14.59 | source1983 | thanks for all that stuff |
| 12:15.01 | ilf_ | how can i request a a program to be packaged? |
| 12:15.07 | tralala | beeblebrox87: didn't I already asked you not to act like a moron? |
| 12:15.08 | Gnea | why ask why? |
| 12:15.09 | jetx | just do it |
| 12:15.12 | source1983 | debian.org is not opening error 404 |
| 12:15.13 | Gnea | heh |
| 12:15.14 | martinja | linuxquestions.org has a good debian section so does linuxforums.org |
| 12:15.15 | paulswm | source1983: also check the debian web site for the mailing lists |
| 12:15.19 | intension | tico errors are in the browser usually |
| 12:15.36 | ilf_ | Gnea: because i have no idea how and honestly not the time to support it |
| 12:15.42 | paulswm | source1983: try www.debian.org |
| 12:15.45 | cockroach | does anyone have (good or bad) experience with matrox P650 cards? i'm considering replacing my G550 with one of those... |
| 12:15.47 | martinja | source1983 : http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 12:15.52 | source1983 | error HTTP:404 |
| 12:16.05 | tico | intension: but exist a compiler for html in linux? |
| 12:16.10 | directhex|work | cockroach, slow, expensive, and only works with closed-sourcve drivers for red hat 7.3 |
| 12:16.18 | Gnea | ilf_: i didn't say "why ask how?" .. what package are you looking for? |
| 12:16.19 | paulswm | source1983: well both work fine here |
| 12:16.25 | intension | tico are you sure you want to do html ? there are automated tools nowadays which do all the hard work for you |
| 12:16.26 | directhex|work | tico, compiler for html? compiler to *what*? |
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| 12:16.32 | source1983 | maybe i will try later !! |
| 12:16.34 | ilf_ | Gnea: timer-applet: http://timerapplet.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:16.37 | simonrvn | compiler for html?! |
| 12:16.42 | ilf_ | (and nexuiz: nexuiz.com) |
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| 12:16.47 | simonrvn | are you on crack? |
| 12:16.47 | jetx | compiled html help |
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| 12:16.49 | Phated | simonrvn: Heh. |
| 12:16.50 | source1983 | good bye |
| 12:16.50 | cockroach | directhex|work: argh, sounds just like the G550 :) - is it slow as in "can't play enemy territory" or as in "not as fast as the latest geforce"? |
| 12:16.54 | jetx | .chm file |
| 12:16.58 | hellmouth | Lo room |
| 12:16.58 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 12:17.08 | jetx | those were fun |
| 12:17.11 | tico | well never mind thanx |
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| 12:17.14 | tico | :) |
| 12:17.20 | paulswm | tico: do you mean an html editor? |
| 12:17.27 | intension | tico html is _not_ compiled, there is _not_ a html compiler, get an html editor |
| 12:17.41 | directhex|work | cockroach, both. as in "a £50 geforce is faster, better supported, and has more features, possibly at the expense of being able to say 'i'm a conceited matrox owner who sees inpercievable differences in image quality'" |
| 12:17.44 | tico | paulswm: nop i'm using vim |
| 12:17.57 | Gnea | tico: since when is html compiled? |
| 12:18.02 | ilf_ | Gnea: now i get it (not native english), but i doubt this is the right place to request thing, or? isn't there a mailing list for that kind of stuff? |
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| 12:18.15 | jetx | i must be on many ignores |
| 12:18.29 | Gnea | ilf_: actually there is a .deb for it but it's a bit old... |
| 12:18.43 | directhex|work | cockroach, infact, i think the £20 nvidia geforce 5200 has better 3d than a £300 parhelia. not that it's what said parhelia is there for, but it's a lot of money for a card with little practical use |
| 12:18.44 | ilf_ | timer-applet? i copuldn't find it on packages.debian... |
| 12:19.12 | Gnea | ilf_: it's on the webpage :) |
| 12:19.17 | beeblebrox87 | what is the status of scc.debian.org? |
| 12:19.22 | cockroach | directhex|work: heh, okay. i liked the idea of not having a fan on the card, but if it's that bad i guess i'll just keep the g550... |
| 12:19.30 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: host not found |
| 12:19.32 | tralala | Gnea: since microsoft (r) decided to "enhance" the standard |
| 12:19.38 | ilf_ | Gnea: oh that i know.ö i want it on apt-get servers, hehe :) |
| 12:19.43 | beeblebrox87 | !vancouver |
| 12:19.43 | dpkg | vancouver is, like, the city with the highest standard of living on earth. the vancouver prospectus proposes criteria for architectures support aiming to reduce release times : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 12:20.28 | Gnea | tralala: what are you spewing forth this time? :) |
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| 12:20.53 | beeblebrox87 | tarzeau: according to the above message, scc.debian.org is supposed to go up and become a home for all the low-use architectures shortly after sarge releases. and amd64 won't be in etch until that happens, apparently |
| 12:21.02 | pingouin | someone know how to handle .ape file ? to be burned |
| 12:21.12 | tarzeau | pingouin: file the.ape |
| 12:21.18 | Gnea | heh |
| 12:21.20 | hellmouth | what do the different cd images mean? why are there more than one? |
| 12:21.35 | tralala | Gnea: oh, yeah! |
| 12:21.41 | sep | hellmouth: depending on what hardware you have, |
| 12:21.42 | Gnea | hellmouth: because there are a LOT of packages |
| 12:21.42 | tarzeau | hellmouth: because it doesn't fit onto one? |
| 12:21.43 | tralala | :) |
| 12:21.43 | martinja | To use stow, any how to? |
| 12:21.47 | directhex|work | cockroach, there are plenty of fanless graphics cards |
| 12:21.52 | tarzeau | martinja: no, stop repeating |
| 12:21.55 | jetx | there are no cd's |
| 12:21.56 | tarzeau | martinja: RTFM |
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| 12:22.03 | jetx | there is no manual |
| 12:22.09 | tarzeau | jetx: hehe :) |
| 12:22.13 | directhex|work | hellmouth, 15 cds per architecture, 11 architectures, plus source code |
| 12:22.14 | tarzeau | cds actually |
| 12:22.16 | martinja | Trying to find the TFM tarzeau |
| 12:22.19 | Gnea | jetx: your mom gives great helmet |
| 12:22.30 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:22.33 | jetx | foad |
| 12:22.34 | tarzeau | martinja: http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/manual.html |
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| 12:22.40 | tarzeau | martinja: ONE GOOGLE! INFIDEL! |
| 12:22.51 | martinja | I dont sleep with google |
| 12:22.52 | directhex|work | .ape is monkeysaudio, think rareware has packages to manipulate it |
| 12:23.03 | CAiRO | hmm, when i click on a pdf link in firefox, it doesn't open acroread anymore to show it.. the page stays just blank |
| 12:23.03 | tralala | martinja: start to |
| 12:23.06 | CAiRO | what could be the reason? |
| 12:23.07 | Gnea | GOOGLEONEBANGQUESTIONMARKONEONEELEVENTYONE |
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| 12:23.13 | CAiRO | how can i make it work again? |
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| 12:23.18 | jetx | ape seemed to be a waste, huge files afaicr |
| 12:23.20 | martinja | askjeeves will be pissed |
| 12:23.48 | tarzeau | !nickometer CAiRO |
| 12:23.48 | dpkg | 'CAiRO' is 38.000% lame, tarzeau |
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| 12:23.55 | Gnea | good, jeeves needs to have his feathers ruffled once in awhile |
| 12:23.56 | tralala | :) |
| 12:24.04 | ilf_ | Gnea: so are you making a .deb or putting it on the request list or what's the state of things? |
| 12:24.06 | martinja | tazeau : thanks for the link |
| 12:24.06 | CAiRO | 38% of what? |
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| 12:24.15 | tarzeau | martinja: you are welcome |
| 12:24.21 | mikaEL` | firewall |
| 12:24.23 | CAiRO | what can i do to increase my 38%? :P |
| 12:24.32 | tarzeau | CAiRO: try /nick cairo |
| 12:24.33 | hellmouth | which iso would I get if I wanted a install with kde |
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| 12:24.46 | tarzeau | hellmouth: KNOPPIX |
| 12:24.48 | tarzeau | .ISO |
| 12:24.48 | tralala | tarzeau: he wants to increase |
| 12:24.56 | hellmouth | got knoppix |
| 12:24.57 | martinja | !nickometer tarzeau |
| 12:24.59 | Gnea | ilf_: i would download the .deb that's up there for 0.90 and install it, then do a apt-cache show timer-applet (or whatever name they gave it) and get the maintainer's email out of it |
| 12:25.03 | tarzeau | tralala: ahhh :) |
| 12:25.04 | hellmouth | I want to move to a full distro |
| 12:25.06 | tralala | CAiRO: /nick CA1R0 will get you there :) |
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| 12:25.08 | Gnea | ilf_: then email that maintainer about it |
| 12:25.15 | mikaEL` | which script in debian configures the firewall?? |
| 12:25.16 | hellmouth | I have worked with knoppix for a while and thought it was time |
| 12:25.23 | tarzeau | tralala: add -n00b |
| 12:25.29 | CA1R0 | good idea.. hehe |
| 12:25.32 | tarzeau | mikaEL`: shorewall is nice |
| 12:25.34 | Gnea | mikaEL`: there are many - firehol, shorewall, vim... |
| 12:25.35 | bbrazil | mikaEL`: try shorewall |
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| 12:25.38 | tralala | !nickometer CA1R0 |
| 12:25.40 | ilf_ | Gnea: how do you know it used to be maintained, jzst because the programmers have a .deb on their homepage? |
| 12:25.49 | Gnea | ilf_: that's right |
| 12:25.59 | pingouin | someone knows tool to work/deal with *.ape files with *.cue with linux/debian ? |
| 12:26.00 | tralala | now *that's* something! |
| 12:26.24 | ilf_ | Gnea: one can NOT make a .deb without being a debian maintainer?? |
| 12:26.25 | Gnea | pingouin: possibly cdrdao |
| 12:26.27 | tarzeau | pingouin: for .cue there's cdrdao |
| 12:26.34 | bbrazil | ilf_: I did a few days back |
| 12:26.37 | Gnea | ilf_: there are tools for it... |
| 12:26.46 | tarzeau | Gnea: .deb's not in main suck |
| 12:26.47 | cockroach | directhex|work: the only ones i found with reasonable 3d support were radeon cards and their VGA signals have a rather bad reputation - they don't seem to offer a fanless card with 2 DVI outputs... |
| 12:26.51 | ethics | just quietly vmware rocks.. |
| 12:27.00 | pingouin | ok thx |
| 12:27.03 | Gnea | tarzeau: leave your mom's crotch out of this |
| 12:27.09 | tarzeau | ethics: www.linuks.mine.nu/rockstone.jpg |
| 12:27.20 | directhex|work | cockroach, you mean "Free support" by that? |
| 12:27.25 | Gnea | ethics: it's alright... |
| 12:27.51 | CAiRO- | ups |
| 12:28.04 | tarzeau | CAiRO-: yeah just do it a few more times |
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| 12:28.12 | liable | CAiRO-: how about just cairo? |
| 12:28.34 | CAiRO- | i didn't know there was the possibility to use that many lowercase characters |
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| 12:28.51 | tralala | that won't be lame enoght |
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| 12:29.18 | squall | modprobe ppp-compress-18 not ok ; how to please ? |
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| 12:29.34 | ilf_ | Gnea: thx. got the email-like you said :) now what do you recommend for nexuiz.com ? |
| 12:29.42 | tarzeau | !irritate squall |
| 12:29.43 | dpkg | squall: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome lol |
| 12:29.49 | Gnea | sweet |
| 12:29.52 | Gnea | got X back |
| 12:29.53 | tralala | !confuse squall |
| 12:29.53 | ilf_ | asked the people from there themselves to maintain a package, but didn't happen |
| 12:29.54 | dpkg | No, those are my mushroom today, squall? wellies of the republic of mongolia with extra ham |
| 12:30.21 | ilf_ | also i remeber reading something on a deb mailing list, about it being too big (>150mb) for apt-get servers. is there a size limit? |
| 12:30.34 | cockroach | directhex|work: well, i'd prefer free drivers, yes, but that doesn't seem to be possible. but it must have two outputs (for xinerama)... |
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| 12:31.02 | Gnea | ilf_: what?! |
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| 12:31.13 | squall | i need help for MPPE support |
| 12:31.14 | Gnea | ilf_: time-applet is not that big... |
| 12:31.17 | ilf_ | Gnea: how to get a .deb from nexuiz.com |
| 12:31.35 | directhex|work | cockroach, i can't see any dual-dvi passive cards at first glance |
| 12:31.38 | ilf_ | Gnea: writing an email to the timer-applet maintainer already, i'm on the next thing :) |
| 12:31.47 | Gnea | ilffoooooooooh, that game... |
| 12:32.00 | ilf_ | yup, was /.ed too |
| 12:32.01 | Gnea | ilf_: never heard of it till now :) |
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| 12:32.26 | ilf_ | this thing needs a .deb on apt-get servers really bad |
| 12:32.34 | cockroach | directhex|work: neither did I - except for the P650... |
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| 12:32.49 | morgajelWork | I'm creating a list of packages to install on new inhouse servers- anyone have any suggestions? I'm looking for things that are among the first you install on a bare bones install. so far I have; less, vim, ssh, and apt-listbugs. |
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| 12:33.17 | directhex|work | cockroach, i have a geforce with dual dvi, but there's a small fan on one of the heatpipe plates |
| 12:33.35 | jharrisonwk | morgajelWork: these things will be installed on bare bones systems no need to make a list |
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| 12:33.53 | netman1 | morgajelWork: ntpdate |
| 12:34.10 | liable | less wont |
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| 12:34.35 | jharrisonwk | liable: it is on my sarge installs |
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| 12:34.49 | cockroach | directhex|work: i used to own a geforce with a fan but after some time it became extremely noisy. that's why i don't really trust those little fans... |
| 12:35.00 | mikaEL` | a package in debian can be debianized and a package in FreeBSD can be daemonized :D |
| 12:35.03 | morgajelWork | actually jharrisonwk, I just did a sarge install 4 days ago and all of the above had to be added after the fact. |
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| 12:35.30 | morgajelWork | thanks netman1 |
| 12:35.30 | jharrisonwk | morgajelWork: ok |
| 12:35.36 | liable | morgajelWork: ssh should have been |
| 12:35.55 | cockroach | directhex|work: which model is it? |
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| 12:36.00 | directhex|work | cockroach, i know what you mean on that front, i try to avoid motherboard fans for that reason |
| 12:36.08 | morgajelWork | I'lll be doing another install shortly, I'll double check |
| 12:36.11 | directhex|work | cockroach, considered an aftermarket graphics card cooler? |
| 12:36.20 | morgajelWork | any others besides ntpdate? |
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| 12:36.46 | directhex|work | cockroach, http://www.giga-byte.com/VGA/Products/Products_GV-NX68T256DH.htm |
| 12:37.37 | dutchfish | what driver do i need to get ATI Radeon 9100 IGP working with resolution above 800x600? |
| 12:37.42 | jharrisonwk | gigabyte has too many problems |
| 12:37.52 | jharrisonwk | at least I do with their motherboards |
| 12:37.54 | cockroach | directhex|work: okay, thanks. |
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| 12:38.05 | jharrisonwk | I have a gigabyte ati card that has done great though |
| 12:38.15 | directhex|work | jharrisonwk, i also have motherboard problems with gigabyte, but my graphics card has been flawless |
| 12:38.23 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: same here |
| 12:38.33 | directhex|work | dutchfish, you using the "vesa" or "ati" driver? |
| 12:38.37 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: what is your motherboard of choice? |
| 12:38.51 | cockroach | directhex|work: no, i haven't considered those. aren't they usually quite big? (all my pci ports are used so there's not much space left...) |
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| 12:39.20 | dutchfish | directhex|work, i tried both but i got glide2x.so not found errors in one of them |
| 12:39.27 | directhex|work | cockroach, they do tend to be big, yes. i have an old geforce ti4200 with a passive cooler strapped to it, makes it huge, but kept it cool & silent |
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| 12:39.53 | dutchfish | directhex|work, what driver you suggest? |
| 12:39.54 | directhex|work | jharrisonwk, i support small manufacturers, it's always done me proud. my worst motherboard *ever* was an abit, but experiences have been good with soltek, albatron, chaintech |
| 12:40.05 | jharrisonwk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/colinj/sets/442295/ |
| 12:40.11 | directhex|work | dutchfish, um....... glide is for 3dfx voodoo cards only |
| 12:40.12 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: i like msi myself |
| 12:40.23 | error403 | I was wondering - is there a good IRC server in the default apt source? |
| 12:40.27 | directhex|work | dutchfish, and your card is supported by the ati driver in sarge. |
| 12:40.27 | dutchfish | directhex|work, yep i know still i got those errors |
| 12:40.47 | directhex|work | dutchfish, 2d only though, according to "man radeon" |
| 12:40.51 | directhex|work | dutchfish, you could try fglrx |
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| 12:41.17 | dutchfish | directhex|work, fgrlx? |
| 12:41.20 | tralala | directhex|work: which one is it? because radeon supports 3d up to 9500 or so |
| 12:41.52 | dutchfish | ati Radeon 9100 IGP |
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| 12:41.57 | directhex|work | tralala, definitely NOT on 9500. |
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| 12:42.04 | directhex|work | dutchfish, ati's closed-source driver |
| 12:42.18 | dutchfish | how to install those? |
| 12:42.22 | mikaEL` | which CD in debian Sarge contains OpenOffice ?? |
| 12:42.24 | jharrisonwk | fglrx works great for me |
| 12:42.54 | directhex|work | tralala, it supports 3d on the r100 and r200 graphics cores, which are up to & including the 9250pro. however, some newer chips based on those old gpus aren't supported fully. xorg has better radeon support. |
| 12:43.01 | tralala | directhex|work: my 9250 has 3d for sure so there is 3d support up to a point |
| 12:43.07 | directhex|work | mikaEL`, i expect cd1 or cd2 |
| 12:43.31 | tralala | directhex|work: ah, I see. |
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| 12:44.07 | tralala | dutchfish: /msg dpkg ati driver(s) |
| 12:44.09 | directhex|work | tralala, last i checked, the r300 dri team had about 200fps on glxgears, and nothing more |
| 12:44.11 | jharrisonwk | dutchfish: download them from ati's site. turn them from .rpm to .deb. install with dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx.deb. cd to /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod. chmod 700 make.sh, ./make.sh, cd .., chmod 700 make_install.sh, ./make_install.sh, modprobe fglrx |
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| 12:44.20 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 12:44.23 | jharrisonwk | dutchfish: you need to probably run fglrxconfig too |
| 12:44.28 | directhex|work | jharrisonwk, obsolete instructions |
| 12:44.32 | dutchfish | jharrisonwk, do i need alien for that? |
| 12:44.33 | da_bon_bon | sarge is soo old -- gnome 2.8 kde 3.4 -- why would someone want to use it ? |
| 12:44.39 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: obsolete? |
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| 12:44.51 | jethro | !ops da_bon_bon troll |
| 12:44.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: da_bon_bon troll |
| 12:44.53 | directhex|work | jharrisonwk, obsolete. ati have gone nvidia's route, with a distro-agnostic installer |
| 12:44.53 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: are you refering to the .debs |
| 12:45.07 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: when did this happen? |
| 12:45.12 | da_bon_bon | jethro: :P i am asking, why is it so out of date ? |
| 12:45.24 | mikaEL` | no, CD1 does not include it ... I installed OpenOffice trough a local FTP mirror but I had a cd-rom entry for CD1 in sources.list |
| 12:45.34 | jharrisonwk | ah there is a new driver |
| 12:45.35 | directhex|work | jharrisonwk, 06/09/05 |
| 12:45.39 | dutchfish | jharrisonwk, thx ill try your advise |
| 12:45.41 | jharrisonwk | I am still with the old one |
| 12:45.43 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 12:45.48 | jethro | da_bon_bon: you're just a troll. i m not feeding you. |
| 12:45.51 | directhex|work | dutchfish, i wouldn't |
| 12:45.57 | tralala | directhex|work: speaking about radeon, I've killed myself looking for documentation on the rotation (randr) ability of this driver (is it driver dependant actually), but found nothing about it. Do you know any places to check? |
| 12:46.03 | dutchfish | directhex|work, ? |
| 12:46.11 | da_bon_bon | jethro: oh! great |
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| 12:46.21 | directhex|work | dutchfish, use ati.com's installer if & only ifyou're confident your debian installation will never have its x server updated. else google for "ati flavio" and follow the guide |
| 12:46.43 | jharrisonwk | dutchfish: get the new drivers |
| 12:46.59 | dutchfish | ok, thx to all for the help! |
| 12:47.12 | jharrisonwk | any ideas when xorg will be uploaded to sid? |
| 12:47.18 | directhex|work | tralala, i'm on a radeon right now. give me an example to run. |
| 12:47.25 | directhex|work | jharrisonwk, soon, hopefully. |
| 12:47.40 | da_bon_bon | any idea when kde 3.4 , gnome 2.8 and xorg will be out ? |
| 12:47.46 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: I know they were waiting for the sarge release to include it |
| 12:47.56 | directhex|work | da_bon_bon, what exactly does trolling achieve? |
| 12:48.00 | tralala | directhex|work: does xrandr give you available orientations/rotations? |
| 12:48.03 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: will xfree remain or be replaced with xorg? |
| 12:48.17 | da_bon_bon | directhex|work: why do you think i am trolling ? |
| 12:48.18 | directhex|work | Rotations possible - normal |
| 12:48.18 | directhex|work | Reflections possible - none |
| 12:48.48 | tralala | da_bon_bon: soon, really soon, just keep apt-get updating every hour or so and you will be the first to know |
| 12:49.00 | directhex|work | da_bon_bon, because you're talking bollocks. e.g. sarge already has gnome 2.8 |
| 12:49.12 | da_bon_bon | tralala: oh.. how nice |
| 12:49.19 | da_bon_bon | directhex|work: wh00ps! i meant 2.10 |
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| 12:49.45 | intension | tralala :) |
| 12:49.45 | tralala | da_bon_bon: much nicer than you deserve actually |
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| 12:50.00 | jethro | !irritate da_bon_bon |
| 12:50.02 | dpkg | da_bon_bon: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses gnome kk |
| 12:50.05 | da_bon_bon | debian sid used to be an example for other distros -- always update |
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| 12:50.14 | da_bon_bon | jethro: hmm.. |
| 12:50.15 | da_bon_bon | well. |
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| 12:50.27 | directhex|work | da_bon_bon, 2.10 is currently going into debian unstable, kde 3.4 is packaged & i believe it's in experimental. xorg, i don't know where it is but it's in progress |
| 12:50.34 | jethro | da_bon_bon: I suggest you quit being a troll now. |
| 12:50.48 | tralala | directhex|work: err... and orientation? Anyway it seems like it's not available. I was just asking if you have faced this and know sources of docs |
| 12:51.06 | da_bon_bon | jethro: didnt i just ask a simple q -- when will ... and ... be out :P |
| 12:51.12 | da_bon_bon | !irritate jethro |
| 12:51.12 | dpkg | jethro: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound !!!1 |
| 12:51.24 | directhex|work | tralala, it's not something i've ever tried. this is with the open-source radeon driver on sarge. i suspect xorg and/or fglrx would be different |
| 12:51.43 | dutchfish | btw do i need to recompile kernel for fglrx-driver and my ATI 9100IGP? |
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| 12:51.52 | giupy | dutchfish, no |
| 12:51.55 | directhex|work | dutchfish, no. |
| 12:52.01 | dutchfish | oki, thx! |
| 12:52.04 | directhex|work | dutchfish, install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 12:52.04 | supaman | there is no plan to have xorg in debian, theyr waiting for it to become more modular which is taking a bit more time then previously thought |
| 12:52.27 | giupy | dutchfish, there are fglrx module for precompiled kernels and drivers dosn't need to recompile kernel |
| 12:52.52 | dutchfish | got that thx |
| 12:53.00 | tralala | !thx |
| 12:53.00 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
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| 12:53.36 | error403 | Is there a way to start another x-server, so that i can have 2 graphical sessions, using different desktop environments? |
| 12:53.47 | directhex|work | error403, yes. do you use startx, or gdm, or what? |
| 12:53.52 | asg | error403: startx -- :1 |
| 12:53.59 | error403 | at the moment i am using KDE |
| 12:54.04 | directhex|work | error403, if you use gdm, then run "gdmflexiserver" |
| 12:54.12 | error403 | i use kdm |
| 12:54.27 | directhex|work | error403, i don't know if kdm can manage it itself, but the startx method ought to work |
| 12:54.40 | error403 | asg, i tried that, but it logs me in, under the same user/desktop environment... |
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| 12:56.50 | error403 | how would i start a new session under a different desktop environment? |
| 12:56.52 | tralala | error403: if you want multiple dm screens you should configure your dm to do so - it is possible |
| 12:57.11 | directhex|work | i know it's trivial in gdm. i don't know kdm configuration |
| 12:57.11 | error403 | tralala, how |
| 12:57.13 | error403 | ? |
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| 12:57.45 | error403 | i have used kdm to have multiple sessions before, on other debian-based distros i have used it has already been set up... |
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| 12:57.57 | tralala | error403: I'm not interested in guiding you through the process |
| 12:58.18 | error403 | hmm |
| 12:58.30 | error403 | !fgi error403 kdm multiple sessions |
| 12:58.31 | dpkg | error403: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=kdm multiple sessions |
| 12:58.35 | error403 | hehe |
| 12:59.01 | Rickdangerous | !moo |
| 12:59.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 12:59.47 | error403 | ... |
| 12:59.54 | error403 | wtf? |
| 12:59.56 | error403 | hehe |
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| 13:00.17 | error403 | anyway, thanks tralala i went and googled it, seem tohave found a solution... |
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| 13:02.46 | magyar | how can i make the pppoe connection persistent in sarge? |
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| 13:03.13 | simonrvn | man pppd |
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| 13:03.40 | alum | Does anybody know whetre can i download .config for kernel 2.6.8-2-386-di (debian-installer version)? I want to customize d-i. |
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| 13:04.37 | tarzeau | alum: looked in /boot yet? |
| 13:04.37 | supaman | alum: dont know if it works, but just a thought, use apt-get source |
| 13:05.06 | enigmus | alum: it's in kernel-image*.deb package, and at least in kernel-source*.Deb |
| 13:05.06 | bykte | man anybody know whetre can i download .config for kernel 2.6.8-2-386-di (debian-installer version)? I want to customize d-i. |
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| 13:05.59 | Rickdangerous | easy to setup featurefull htdig fashion indexer? |
| 13:05.59 | kneet | sarge - exim4+sa-exim - what user does sa-exim actually use when calling spamassassin? |
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| 13:06.14 | bykte | there is no glitch in the matrix |
| 13:06.19 | bykte | u r just dumb to comprehend it |
| 13:06.23 | enigmus | hehe |
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| 13:06.33 | ethics | hmm, theyve changed something..... |
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| 13:07.03 | Gnea | bykte: the matrix exists?! |
| 13:07.05 | Gnea | lol |
| 13:07.16 | bykte | yes it does |
| 13:07.21 | bykte | in the book and movie |
| 13:07.23 | bykte | unless u r stupid |
| 13:07.25 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:07.27 | bbrazil | Gnea: it continues to multiply |
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| 13:07.30 | Gnea | !u |
| 13:07.30 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:08.13 | bykte | there you go |
| 13:08.19 | bykte | showing your stupidity again |
| 13:08.25 | *** part/#debian mosty (mostynm@adsl-137-244.swiftdsl.com.au) |
| 13:08.27 | Gnea | bykte: define 'stupid' |
| 13:08.41 | bykte | one who thinks that common short term in IRC is so life threatening to him |
| 13:08.48 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 13:09.00 | error403 | ... |
| 13:09.03 | enigmus | poll clipper.ens.fr with proto POP3 |
| 13:09.03 | enigmus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:09.06 | enigmus | poll clipper.ens.fr with proto POP3 |
| 13:09.08 | enigmus | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.13 | Gnea | so what you're saying is that anyone who's been through a life-threatening experience is stupid... |
| 13:09.20 | bykte | GOD DAMN IT!! IT's ROLL ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING NOT ROFL!!!!!! |
| 13:09.25 | pngwn | bykte, here's a 'common short term in IRC' stfu |
| 13:09.29 | error403 | hehe |
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| 13:09.39 | bbrazil | bykte: not if any floor will do |
| 13:09.41 | bykte | pngwn yes i know what that means, it means i owned ur mum mouth and ass |
| 13:09.50 | luminerd | Hey guys, when's furrywolf get here around? |
| 13:09.51 | tarzeau | DEBIAN GNU IS NOT UNIX/LINUX |
| 13:09.57 | Gnea | !troll bykte |
| 13:10.00 | tarzeau | DEBORAH AND IAN GNU IS NOT UNIX/LINUX |
| 13:10.00 | bykte | nobody invites you to the fight, why should you bother |
| 13:10.01 | paulswm | !aolify bykte |
| 13:10.08 | bykte | it's my fight against Gnea the king |
| 13:10.22 | Gnea | what fight? |
| 13:10.26 | Gnea | what did i do to you? |
| 13:10.27 | bykte | ok nvm |
| 13:10.30 | bykte | there is no matrix |
| 13:10.31 | bykte | i lose |
| 13:10.48 | Gnea | what, you can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy? |
| 13:11.01 | K_Dallas | Woud i need inetd if i dont run any server on my system? thansk |
| 13:11.04 | bykte | reality is i suck, fantasy is i suck even more |
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| 13:11.25 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: i'd keep it even then |
| 13:11.26 | Angelo-_ | is there a program like java-package that will package x.org? |
| 13:11.31 | tarzeau | Angelo-_: no |
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| 13:11.32 | beeblebrox87 | Gnea: what is the difference between reality and fantasy? |
| 13:11.41 | Gnea | beeblebrox87: perception. :) |
| 13:11.42 | K_Dallas | tarzeau, thanks, i am trying to remove servers that i do not user like apache etc |
| 13:11.42 | tarzeau | Angelo-_: java don't exist. xorg don't exist. |
| 13:11.43 | beeblebrox87 | Gnea: we can guess which is which, but never really be sure |
| 13:11.45 | beeblebrox87 | yeah |
| 13:11.47 | bykte | lol |
| 13:11.47 | error403 | perception of the two |
| 13:11.49 | paulswm | The Matrix *isn't* real??? |
| 13:11.52 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: read !harden-doc |
| 13:11.52 | error403 | perception of the two |
| 13:11.58 | K_Dallas | thank you |
| 13:11.59 | bykte | the matrix is real!! |
| 13:12.02 | K_Dallas | !harden-doc |
| 13:12.02 | dpkg | methinks harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
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| 13:12.10 | beeblebrox87 | bykte: maybe |
| 13:12.10 | Gnea | only in your fantasy ;) |
| 13:12.36 | beeblebrox87 | Gnea: maybe it's not real in his fantasy, maybe it's only real in somebody else's fantasy |
| 13:12.45 | Gnea | heh, throw a few computer generated graphics into a movie and people go nuts |
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| 13:12.52 | beeblebrox87 | maybe |
| 13:12.59 | paulswm | Next you'll be telling me that there are no Vulcans and superheroes. |
| 13:13.08 | beeblebrox87 | paulswm: maybe |
| 13:13.09 | pappone | Next you'll be telling me that there are no Vulcans and superheroes |
| 13:13.16 | Ungy | gnea computer generated porn is goign to be the next big thing |
| 13:13.17 | bykte | yes!@! |
| 13:13.19 | bykte | he's lying |
| 13:13.19 | pappone | oops |
| 13:13.22 | bykte | where's batman??? |
| 13:13.22 | stealth | Linux is the matrix |
| 13:13.23 | Gnea | there are no vulcans. superheroes, that's debateable ;) |
| 13:13.26 | bykte | BATMAN IS REAL!!! |
| 13:13.33 | stealth | scrolling green code, come on |
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| 13:13.42 | beeblebrox87 | stealth: maybe. Gnea: maybe. bykte: maybe. |
| 13:13.49 | bykte | stealth, then what u want? scrolling white code? |
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| 13:13.56 | bbrazil | stealth: with the right termnial settings, irc is that |
| 13:13.58 | ethics | is it just coincidence im halfway through a matrix night .... |
| 13:14.00 | Gnea | when the bees buzz in may you know winter is over |
| 13:14.10 | tarzeau | MICKEY MOUSE IS REAL!!! |
| 13:14.15 | bykte | ethics die |
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| 13:14.20 | bykte | fuck your mickey mouse |
| 13:14.21 | Gnea | YOUR MOM SITTING ON MY FACE IS REAL!!! |
| 13:14.22 | stealth | heh, im glad i dont use debian :D |
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| 13:14.25 | bykte | mickey mouse is a faggot |
| 13:14.35 | bykte | he commit incest with his sister, minnie mouse |
| 13:14.36 | RogueDopple | all cartoon / scifi characters are real if your GIRLFRIENDS are not |
| 13:14.40 | Gnea | i heard mickey mouse is asexual |
| 13:14.43 | bykte | he commit incest with his sister, minnie mouse |
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| 13:15.05 | Ungy | ahh such wonderful nonsense |
| 13:15.08 | ethics | minnies not his sister...shes the disneyland bike.....pluto's ex.. |
| 13:15.12 | beeblebrox87 | such an interesting discussion of debian |
| 13:15.19 | Gnea | ethics: hehehe |
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| 13:15.24 | K_Dallas | all on topic i bet |
| 13:15.30 | bykte | who the fark is pluto? |
| 13:15.31 | beeblebrox87 | what is debian going to do when they run out of toy story characters? |
| 13:15.38 | beeblebrox87 | bykte: the dog. |
| 13:15.40 | tralala | stealth: not as much as *we* are |
| 13:15.40 | Gnea | neptune's cousin |
| 13:15.40 | tarzeau | !pluto |
| 13:15.48 | bykte | no it's not |
| 13:15.51 | ethics | gnea i actually think vmware helps windows's stability hehe |
| 13:15.55 | bykte | pluto is a planet not a dog |
| 13:16.00 | beeblebrox87 | what comes after etch? |
| 13:16.07 | bykte | betch |
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| 13:16.09 | Rickdangerous | beeblebrox87, doomsday |
| 13:16.13 | Gnea | ethics: i tend to agree ;) |
| 13:16.17 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: mickey mouse |
| 13:16.24 | bykte | windows r0x ur socks |
| 13:16.26 | Gnea | beeblebrox87: rick hunter |
| 13:16.26 | tarzeau | PLUTO THE PUP http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/cartoon/images/Disney/bk-pluto.jpg |
| 13:16.34 | bykte | i bet you all are dying w/o windows |
| 13:16.38 | bykte | you all are suffering... |
| 13:16.47 | beeblebrox87 | tarzeau, Rickdangerous, Gnea: none of those are in toy story |
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| 13:16.56 | tralala | I bet you're gonna like THIS |
| 13:16.56 | Gnea | beeblebrox87: exactly |
| 13:16.59 | beeblebrox87 | 8ball maybe? |
| 13:17.00 | tralala | !fuck bykte |
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| 13:17.06 | error403 | ... |
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| 13:17.08 | bykte | fuck u back tralala |
| 13:17.08 | sec_dude | is any one using nagios |
| 13:17.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha, hi |
| 13:17.11 | source1983 | don't say bad words in this channel |
| 13:17.13 | Gnea | now that'd be original... |
| 13:17.15 | ralfWORK | erm ok |
| 13:17.15 | tarzeau | sec_dude: NO |
| 13:17.21 | Gnea | source1983: fuck off |
| 13:17.23 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:17.24 | Rickdangerous | beeblebrox87, there's always other pixar movies :) |
| 13:17.25 | bykte | !fuck tralala |
| 13:17.25 | beeblebrox87 | did the car have a name? |
| 13:17.26 | ralfWORK | where do I go for mp3 encoder packages? |
| 13:17.29 | tarzeau | sec_dude: is any one using supertransball2 |
| 13:17.32 | source1983 | Gnea : you r kicked off |
| 13:17.37 | ralfWORK | I'm sure debian doesnt have any it it's distribution |
| 13:17.39 | Gnea | really? |
| 13:17.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: hey |
| 13:17.44 | jethro | !permatardsday |
| 13:17.48 | source1983 | Gnea: you fuck off |
| 13:17.53 | Rickdangerous | s/is/are |
| 13:17.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: they talk about mickey mouse, matrix and batman |
| 13:17.59 | bykte | !tell tralala -about repeat |
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| 13:18.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: if it's real or not |
| 13:18.10 | tarzeau | 15:14 < Gnea> YOUR MOM SITTING ON MY FACE IS REAL!!! |
| 13:18.12 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 13:18.15 | source1983 | Gnea: are u gay ? |
| 13:18.23 | tarzeau | !gnaa |
| 13:18.23 | magyar | how can i make the pppoe connection persistent in sarge? I am not using rp-pppoe |
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| 13:18.27 | bykte | !tell tralala -about repeat |
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| 13:18.32 | source1983 | Gnea: you got to be out of this channel |
| 13:18.35 | Gnea | source1983: what makes you think i would be? |
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| 13:18.40 | source1983 | Gnea: you are creating a mess of all this |
| 13:18.40 | bykte | gnea sucks! |
| 13:18.42 | bykte | get out!!! |
| 13:18.47 | Gnea | lol |
| 13:18.48 | source1983 | Gnea: you need to grow up man |
| 13:18.51 | source1983 | Gnea: wtf |
| 13:18.52 | Gnea | am i now |
| 13:18.53 | bykte | yes grow up |
| 13:18.56 | Gnea | source1983: who are you? |
| 13:18.59 | source1983 | Gnea: you need some thing special from your mother |
| 13:19.05 | Gnea | wow |
| 13:19.06 | bykte | he need milk |
| 13:19.11 | source1983 | Gnea: i m the one who slept with your mother last night |
| 13:19.12 | Gnea | calm down kiddies |
| 13:19.13 | Ungy | bykte just STFU |
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| 13:19.17 | tarzeau | !breastfeed source1983 |
| 13:19.22 | bykte | Ungy FINE!!!!! |
| 13:19.22 | source1983 | Gnea: just go out of this room |
| 13:19.23 | xbmx | i need help really bad |
| 13:19.33 | tarzeau | !confuse xbmx |
| 13:19.35 | dpkg | Yes, them are my bacon tomorrow, xbmx? pants of the people's republic of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 13:19.35 | Ungy | source1983, stop instigating him |
| 13:19.39 | tralala | !room |
| 13:19.39 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 13:19.40 | RogueDopple | xbmx: ask the question |
| 13:19.40 | source1983 | Gnea: you are a gay nothing more than that |
| 13:20.02 | paulswm | !tell source1983 about gay |
| 13:20.05 | xbmx | does wireless work for debian? |
| 13:20.07 | Ronin | try to play nice kiddies |
| 13:20.08 | bykte | !tell tralala -about repeat |
| 13:20.12 | tralala | xbmx: do you need sex as bad as help? |
| 13:20.15 | Gnea | xbmx: quite well |
| 13:20.15 | bykte | !tell tralala about gay |
| 13:20.28 | source1983 | Gnea: wtf |
| 13:20.31 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.33 | source1983 | Gnea: go out of this room |
| 13:20.40 | Gnea | !troll source1983 |
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| 13:20.44 | source1983 | Gnea: you need to grow up |
| 13:20.49 | source1983 | Gnea: Calm down son |
| 13:20.51 | bykte | !troll Gnea |
| 13:20.58 | source1983 | Gnea: where do u belong ? |
| 13:20.59 | Ungy | source1983, how does sexual preference come into the fact that he is being childish and immature calling someone gay either means he is "happy" or a homosexual. Apparently you think being a homosexual is some kind of insult which in fact is pretty damned stupid |
| 13:21.03 | jethro | would you guys mind no longer behaving like 12 years old morons ? |
| 13:21.07 | xbmx | i got a wusb54gs and i dont know how to use on debian |
| 13:21.15 | Angelo-_ | how would I go about making a package out of an x.org i compiled? |
| 13:21.19 | bykte | xbmx go install windows |
| 13:21.23 | source1983 | Gnea: you are a extra-terrastrial creature |
| 13:21.27 | *** join/#debian cfrB (~cfr@h25n3fls306o885.telia.com) |
| 13:21.28 | bykte | LOL |
| 13:21.29 | tarzeau | Angelo-_: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 13:21.31 | mith | what is going on |
| 13:21.33 | bykte | extra-terrastrial creature == faggot!!!! |
| 13:21.35 | bykte | extra-terrastrial creature == faggot!!!! |
| 13:21.36 | source1983 | Gnea: you do not belong to this planet |
| 13:21.36 | Angelo-_ | thanks |
| 13:21.37 | Ronin | never an @ around to clean house when you need one :) |
| 13:21.40 | bykte | extra-terrastrial creature == faggot!!!! |
| 13:21.45 | source1983 | Gnea: you go to fuckland |
| 13:21.46 | *** part/#debian hac (~user@host69-54.pool8257.interbusiness.it) |
| 13:21.51 | bykte | he need assland |
| 13:21.54 | jethro | Ronin: yeah, that's a pity |
| 13:21.56 | Ungy | mith apparently the children have taken over the channel |
| 13:21.57 | bykte | rub rubber dildo on his ass |
| 13:22.01 | bykte | poke it in!! |
| 13:22.03 | jethro | bykte: shut up. |
| 13:22.06 | source1983 | Gnea: you need to go to assland + fuckland= motherfuckerland |
| 13:22.07 | error403 | ... |
| 13:22.09 | Gnea | ÍÍÍ Ignorance List: |
| 13:22.11 | Gnea | ÍÍÍ [6] SOURCE1983!*@*: ALL |
| 13:22.14 | Gnea | ÍÍÍ [7] BYKTE!*@*: ALL |
| 13:22.20 | source1983 | Gnea: ignored me |
| 13:22.20 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:22.23 | source1983 | Gnea: failed |
| 13:22.25 | error403 | will some PLEASE silence them? |
| 13:22.25 | Gnea_sucks | lol |
| 13:22.28 | jethro | Gnea: we don't care. and you already said it. |
| 13:22.28 | streuner | enough |
| 13:22.28 | Gnea_sucks | u cant ignore me |
| 13:22.31 | Gnea_sucks | u dumb ass |
| 13:22.33 | Gnea_sucks | ur ignore sucks |
| 13:22.33 | mith | wow |
| 13:22.35 | tarzeau | error403: i would , if i could |
| 13:22.36 | streuner | stop it |
| 13:22.38 | Gnea_sucks | change my nick and u r sucky |
| 13:22.43 | jethro | what the fuck.. |
| 13:22.43 | Gnea_sucks | DIE DIE DIE!! |
| 13:22.44 | source1983 | Gnea: is a fucker of mother |
| 13:22.51 | source1983 | Gnea: DIE DIE DIE! |
| 13:22.52 | Ungy | I think it's ban time |
| 13:22.53 | *** part/#debian jethro (~hunter@213.246.39.160) |
| 13:22.55 | RogueDopple | well nice to see maturity is at a premium |
| 13:23.04 | xbmx | omg what happen here is was much coolers befored |
| 13:23.05 | Ronin | ahh ignore gotta love it, cuts out the signal to noise ratio |
| 13:23.09 | Gnea | oh my... |
| 13:23.10 | Ether_Man | Gnea_sucks: Grow up... geez... |
| 13:23.18 | source1983 | hi |
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| 13:23.20 | source1983 | hiya all |
| 13:23.20 | tarzeau | lilo: there? |
| 13:23.21 | mith | so um |
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| 13:23.30 | source1983 | calm down me |
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| 13:23.30 | mith | apt |
| 13:23.30 | bykte | ok |
| 13:23.34 | source1983 | i m calmed now |
| 13:23.36 | bykte | have a good day everyone, good night |
| 13:23.38 | bykte | bye |
| 13:23.38 | source1983 | Gnea: is gone |
| 13:23.45 | xbmx | lol |
| 13:23.45 | source1983 | bye |
| 13:23.48 | source1983 | lol |
| 13:23.54 | xbmx | i need the help come on |
| 13:23.58 | source1983 | so let's talk about Debian |
| 13:24.08 | xbmx | can any one be a man and help me |
| 13:24.08 | error403 | havent finished my popcorn yet,,, |
| 13:24.10 | source1983 | xbmx: what's your problem ? |
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| 13:24.20 | Gnea | xbmx: what is the problem, exactly? |
| 13:24.25 | ethics | gnea i take it back hehehe |
| 13:24.30 | source1983 | let me know if u have some problem in Debian |
| 13:24.31 | idnar | !ops kiddies running wild |
| 13:24.31 | xbmx | i think there is a moster on my closet |
| 13:24.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kiddies running wild |
| 13:24.33 | Gnea | ethics: heh |
| 13:24.44 | source1983 | really |
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| 13:25.00 | tarzeau | !seen ljlane |
| 13:25.00 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'ljlane', tarzeau |
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| 13:25.13 | tarzeau | !seen Netsnipe |
| 13:25.14 | dpkg | netsnipe <~netsnipe@c211-30-49-101.mirnd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 21h 13m 14s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
| 13:25.17 | source1983 | hello xbmx ? |
| 13:25.24 | xbmx | yeah |
| 13:25.27 | tarzeau | !seen walters |
| 13:25.27 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'walters', tarzeau |
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| 13:25.37 | source1983 | xbmx : what's the prob of your's ? |
| 13:25.39 | Gnea | xbmx: a wireless monster? |
| 13:25.45 | xbmx | <source1983> how do i install a wireless on my laptop with debian |
| 13:25.46 | source1983 | really |
| 13:26.00 | source1983 | what kind of wirless device do u have ? |
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| 13:26.18 | SuNeViL | hello |
| 13:26.21 | bob2 | ? |
| 13:26.23 | source1983 | hello |
| 13:26.24 | source1983 | hi |
| 13:26.25 | Gnea | wait, is that your problem or his? |
| 13:26.25 | xbmx | linksys wirelees 6 speed booster |
| 13:26.31 | source1983 | how r u ? |
| 13:26.33 | SuNeViL | where can i find a cd with debian sid base? |
| 13:26.33 | source1983 | ok |
| 13:26.38 | bob2 | source1983: please stop it |
| 13:26.43 | tarzeau | SuNeViL: http://livecd.gnustep.org here |
| 13:26.45 | xbmx | i mean g |
| 13:26.45 | source1983 | there are driver for ur device over internet |
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| 13:26.49 | source1983 | bob2 : wtf |
| 13:26.51 | paulswm | bob2: the channel went a bit nute a few minutes ago |
| 13:26.56 | paulswm | s/nute/nuts/ |
| 13:27.00 | SuNeViL | ive donwload de netinstallcd but ... |
| 13:27.01 | source1983 | bob2: r u there ? |
| 13:27.04 | SuNeViL | tarzeau, ok |
| 13:27.05 | jm_ | heh |
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| 13:27.08 | source1983 | bob2: plz let me stop |
| 13:27.12 | Shay | is there a way to get a list of unofficial packages installed on my system? |
| 13:27.15 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 13:27.15 | *** part/#debian source1983 (~deependra@220.224.55.124) |
| 13:27.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 13:27.27 | bob2 | Shay: apt-show-versions can help with that |
| 13:27.28 | xbmx | can u guys stop talking im trying to get helped |
| 13:27.37 | Shay | bob2: let me check it out, thanks |
| 13:27.40 | yalu | what does this channel think the best way to install xorg is? there are 2 repositories on apt-get.org that seem to be worth considering (the first 2 on this page: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=xorg&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all ). does anyone use either? |
| 13:27.40 | Nexus | I have problems every once in a while where apt-get doesn't seem to get updates anymore. It says it updates the package list but in reality it never does. How do you repair apt-get? |
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| 13:27.42 | Ungy | !beer bob2 |
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| 13:27.51 | bob2 | alindeman: feel free to jump in with crapflooders like what *_sucks, btw |
| 13:28.00 | xbmx | stop spaming' |
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| 13:28.07 | alindeman | bob2: *nod* |
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| 13:28.22 | bob2 | er, s/what// |
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| 13:28.31 | xbmx | please |
| 13:28.33 | xbmx | help me |
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| 13:28.43 | sfr` | I downloaded the DVD of Debian Sarge but they are isos of 300 mb max.. how is possibile? Than I try to burn iso with Nero and it continues to give me 300 Mb.. |
| 13:28.45 | Gnea | !tell xbmx about rules |
| 13:28.47 | Rickdangerous | kick xbmx muhaha |
| 13:28.55 | Ungy | Nexus are you recieving any error messages and what version |
| 13:29.15 | xbmx | hey |
| 13:29.18 | xbmx | not funny |
| 13:29.24 | Gnea | yeah? |
| 13:29.26 | bob2 | come on, just because it's sunday |
| 13:29.29 | Gnea | !tell xbmx about ask |
| 13:29.36 | Gnea | Mon Jun 13 08:29:41 CDT 2005 |
| 13:29.40 | Gnea | sunday? |
| 13:29.40 | Trewas | debian should clearly host the dvd-images in "industy-standard" way, as a bunch of 50mb rars ;) |
| 13:29.42 | xbmx | how do i install a wire less on my laptop |
| 13:29.54 | bykte | using a scissors |
| 13:29.55 | abrotman | bob2: where is it still sunday? besides permasunday |
| 13:29.57 | bykte | cut the wire |
| 13:30.01 | bob2 | abrotman: perma |
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| 13:30.03 | xbmx | how do i install a wire less on my laptop? |
| 13:30.11 | bykte | using a scissors, cut the wire and you are wireless |
| 13:30.13 | Nexus | apt 0.5.28.6 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 22 2005 07:17:03 |
| 13:30.15 | Gnea | !tell xbmx about wireless |
| 13:30.15 | paulswm | bob2: I tried turning up "brightness" on my monitor, but *that* didn't work, haha |
| 13:30.15 | Shay | !fgi wireless linux |
| 13:30.16 | dpkg | wireless: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=linux |
| 13:30.19 | bob2 | xbmx: I don't know if you're really clueless, or actively being stupid |
| 13:30.21 | abrotman | bykte: stop abusing him |
| 13:30.22 | xbmx | i got a linksys wireless g |
| 13:30.28 | bykte | ok ok |
| 13:30.30 | LoRez | bob2: it's post-release, I suspect it'll be like this a while :( |
| 13:30.32 | bob2 | xbmx: if you're serious, then go find out what chipset it uses |
| 13:30.38 | bykte | LOL!! there is such a website? |
| 13:30.39 | Ungy | bykte are you just goign to troll all day? |
| 13:30.40 | abrotman | xbmx: check madwifi.sf.net or prism54.org .. also maybe ask #wireless |
| 13:30.40 | ethics | anyone heard anything on nonfree modules and 2.6.11? i found them for my system but it seems that not all archs are around...ie im using smp instead of 686 |
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| 13:30.50 | Gnea | bob2: this bykte likes to get up on it too when source1983 was around |
| 13:31.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 13:31.07 | Nexus | Ungy, apt 0.5.28.6 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 22 2005 07:17:03 is the version and I'm not getting any error messages. I managed to fix it once with some command, but I can't for the life of me find what it was.. |
| 13:31.16 | Gnea | danke |
| 13:31.17 | xbmx | thats it im changing to windows u guys are no use |
| 13:31.21 | abrotman | good |
| 13:31.24 | bob2 | xbmx: ok, that's shame |
| 13:31.24 | simonrvn | good riddance |
| 13:31.30 | bob2 | xbmx: come back when you have more patience |
| 13:31.35 | Nexus | Seriously. |
| 13:31.36 | Gnea | xbmx: oh well, your loss |
| 13:31.36 | abrotman | i gave you three places to check .. don't complain if you're too lazy to read |
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| 13:31.46 | tarzeau | ethics: there is 686 non-smp and with smp, what's your problem? |
| 13:31.50 | abrotman | bob2: ^^ |
| 13:31.56 | bykte | FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD |
| 13:31.57 | bob2 | yes, I know |
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| 13:31.58 | snarf | does debian have a bug tracking system i can search for a specific problem i am having? |
| 13:32.02 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 13:32.06 | abrotman | snarf: bugs.debian.org |
| 13:32.07 | DoppelGanger | xbmx: try googling teh problem or reading the docs or checking a tutorial site |
| 13:32.08 | Gnea | !bts |
| 13:32.09 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 13:32.12 | snarf | great thanks |
| 13:32.14 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cm212.omega55.maxonline.com.sg] by bob2 |
| 13:32.19 | ethics | non free modules?...maybee i missed them.. |
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| 13:33.15 | paulswm | Ah, debian in the mornings, the smell of ops gunsmoke... |
| 13:33.19 | Ungy | Nexus "apt-get check" |
| 13:33.33 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 13:33.50 | Gnea | hrm |
| 13:34.09 | yam | how can I make to work a LOM Marvell Yukon 88E8050? its not detected |
| 13:34.14 | kneet | sarge spamassassin - bayes db. file created bty spamassassin shows as Berkeley DB (Hash, version 8, native byte-order). The latest db4 (db4.3-util package) db4.3_upgrade updates to version 7 - how to upgrade to 8 (my old woody db's are version 5)? |
| 13:34.20 | Gnea | heh, there should be a trolltracker bot |
| 13:34.33 | Gnea | actually.. no |
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| 13:34.46 | bob2 | kneet: I'm not sure it's possible to migrate databases betwen SA release at all |
| 13:34.55 | kneet | bob2, that's a shame |
| 13:34.59 | peppo | anyone else having problems with the panel in gnome 2.10? any simple fixes, or should one revert? |
| 13:35.00 | bob2 | yeah |
| 13:35.10 | tarzeau | !sid faq peppo |
| 13:35.15 | Rickdangerous | peppo, yes to kde |
| 13:35.17 | bob2 | kneet: might be worth asking on the SA mailing list |
| 13:35.17 | peppo | tarzeau, I know what sid is! |
| 13:35.26 | tarzeau | peppo: then don't ask |
| 13:35.26 | kneet | but a bit odd that spamd is able to Tie::DB to version 8 if the latest available db packages are creating v7 |
| 13:35.30 | peppo | tarzeau, looking for some possible pointers you FUCKTARD |
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| 13:35.38 | tarzeau | peppo: MORONBITCH |
| 13:35.39 | jm_ | heh |
| 13:35.41 | Ungy | peppo revert |
| 13:35.44 | paulswm | Whenever someone ops up, I always imagine the cha-ching sound of a shotgun round being chambered |
| 13:35.44 | Gnea | ahahha |
| 13:35.51 | beeblebrox87 | hmm... they could have debian lenny |
| 13:36.00 | beeblebrox87 | lenny was the walking binoculars |
| 13:36.02 | Guerin | paulswm: heh |
| 13:36.13 | black13 | i am trying to use deboostrap and i keep getting dpkg: dependence problems prevent configuration of nano: nano depends on libncurses5 is not installed (>= 5.4-1) |
| 13:36.14 | error403 | hehe |
| 13:36.15 | Guerin | bob2 is the real killah |
| 13:36.16 | streuner | bob2: is that your new hobby? |
| 13:36.17 | directhex|work | !tell sfr` about dvd images |
| 13:36.25 | bob2 | streuner: ? |
| 13:36.32 | error403 | i agree with paulswm, it does give that impression |
| 13:36.33 | streuner | bob2: randomly kicking people? |
| 13:36.42 | bob2 | streuner: yes, you've exposed me |
| 13:36.48 | Ronin | hardly radom kicks :) |
| 13:36.50 | sfr` | directhex|work, oh thank ya :) |
| 13:36.55 | bob2 | in between insert ubuntu cds into people anuses, I randomly kick people |
| 13:37.11 | asg | bob2: a dirty job but someone has to do it |
| 13:37.24 | error403 | heh |
| 13:37.42 | Ungy | bob2 please do not insert anything into my anus |
| 13:37.47 | bob2 | Ungy: ok! |
| 13:38.02 | bob2 | oh, there's a factoid about why the dvd images are screwed? |
| 13:38.19 | directhex|work | they're not screwed |
| 13:38.22 | directhex|work | wget's simply shit |
| 13:38.26 | bob2 | wtf |
| 13:38.28 | jm_ | directhex|work: I saw an entry for wget on freshmeat the other day, saying they've added support for files > 2GB |
| 13:38.36 | kneet | bob2 - the mailing lists suggest using the db4.x_upgrade script :/ |
| 13:38.38 | Guerin | jm_: hah, pwn |
| 13:38.49 | snail | bob2: use bit torrent to get the DVD images |
| 13:38.49 | directhex|work | jm_, about time, though it works fine on amd64 ;) |
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| 13:38.57 | bob2 | directhex|work: it doesn't actually overflow at 2gb twice and only get the remaining 300MB or so, does it? |
| 13:39.11 | jm_ | bob2: that's what it does |
| 13:39.13 | Guerin | bob2: it most surely does |
| 13:39.15 | bob2 | oh man |
| 13:39.20 | Guerin | yup |
| 13:39.36 | Guerin | welcome to the 3rd millennium, wget |
| 13:39.53 | Rickdangerous | but it's debian's wget |
| 13:40.03 | directhex|work | Length: 4,686,706,688 [application/x-iso9660-image] |
| 13:40.03 | directhex|work | Length: 391,739,392 [application/x-iso9660-image] |
| 13:40.07 | Rickdangerous | </sarcasm> |
| 13:40.12 | directhex|work | top is amd64 binary, bottom is i386 binary |
| 13:40.18 | bob2 | oh lord |
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| 13:41.07 | snail | i have to make some packages for a knoppix customisation. the packages are things that are't in debian, so i'd like the packages to work in both knoppix and debian. is there a web page that helps me with this? |
| 13:41.19 | directhex|work | !tell snail about nm guide |
| 13:41.19 | Guerin | !2048*1024x1024 |
| 13:41.26 | Guerin | !2048*1024*1024 |
| 13:41.26 | dpkg | 2147483648 |
| 13:41.30 | jm_ | snail: make them work in Debian, shouldn't that make them work in Knoppix? |
| 13:41.35 | Guerin | should be enough for anyone! |
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| 13:41.44 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, 2^32 |
| 13:41.48 | directhex|work | nobody would ever deal in files over 2gb |
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| 13:41.52 | Guerin | Rickdangerous: yeh yeh |
| 13:41.57 | directhex|work | i mean, my 2.2 kernel can't even write files that big... |
| 13:42.05 | Guerin | !2^32 |
| 13:42.05 | dpkg | 34 |
| 13:42.09 | Guerin | see |
| 13:42.09 | bob2 | only communists want LFS |
| 13:42.11 | directhex|work | god knows mkisofs can't cope with files that big ¬_¬ |
| 13:42.12 | Rickdangerous | Guerin, er 31 |
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| 13:42.16 | black13 | what do you do when you have an officiall recognized bug |
| 13:42.17 | Guerin | he don't understand all of that |
| 13:42.22 | bob2 | black13: you report it |
| 13:42.24 | jm_ | !2**32 |
| 13:42.24 | dpkg | 4294967296 |
| 13:42.26 | Shay | bob2: got another tool that can helps me to deduce with packages are from unstable repositories? |
| 13:42.29 | Guerin | ah |
| 13:42.35 | Guerin | !jm_++ |
| 13:42.38 | Rickdangerous | 2^31 beacus |
| 13:42.39 | black13 | bob2, this one has already been reported |
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| 13:42.49 | Rickdangerous | because starts from 0 |
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| 13:42.53 | the_g0d69 | what will be the best solution for a weekly backup (of the new files on a fileserver and mysql databeses) on a cd ? wich aplication do you recomand ? |
| 13:43.01 | Guerin | black13: fix it, or wait. |
| 13:43.07 | jm_ | directhex|work: does ISO9660 allow files > 2G? |
| 13:43.11 | black13 | bob2, Bug #312701 |
| 13:43.29 | directhex|work | jm_, the basic red book spec? no. but JOLIET extensions allow it, as does UDF rather than ISO9660 |
| 13:43.33 | streuner | !dbugs 313701 |
| 13:43.35 | Guerin | notty: rsnapshot. Why weekly? Why not hourly, since incremental backups don't waste space. |
| 13:43.36 | dpkg | #:N[] |
| 13:43.38 | streuner | !dbugs 312701 |
| 13:43.41 | dpkg | DONE:#312701:I[debootstrap] nano needs libncursesw5 Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:33:02 UTC |
| 13:43.49 | jm_ | directhex|work: ahh, Joliet - that's why I've seen it work |
| 13:43.50 | black13 | bob2, is there a list of someone working on this or a fix that hasnt made it out yet |
| 13:44.00 | notty | Guerin: i need them writed down on a cd |
| 13:44.11 | directhex|work | jm_, it can be done with udf (i've done it), but mkudffs is a massive pain in the balls |
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| 13:44.20 | notty | Guerin: can't write a cd hourly |
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| 13:45.03 | TwistedLappy | so use a printer to write on the CD..? |
| 13:45.17 | jm_ | directhex|work: hmm someone who is writing an UDF library for embeded projects (recorders and whatnot) has told me it makes standard-compliant file systems, but I must admit I sitll use ISO9660, even for DVD-s |
| 13:45.42 | adaran | i need some help here, i just found a bar of ram between some old sofa pillows and i need to figure out what it is exactly - it seems to be DIMM module, but other than that , i have little clue. any advice? |
| 13:45.56 | directhex|work | jm_, oh, it makes compliant filesystems, but it's a tit to use. you don't just feed it a folder, you need to create a virtual device node, format it, mount it, and place files inside |
| 13:46.06 | jm_ | directhex|work: annoying |
| 13:46.07 | directhex|work | adaran, take a photo, i'll ID it. |
| 13:46.20 | black13 | bob2, deboostrap fails |
| 13:46.21 | directhex|work | jm_, very annoying. very slow. |
| 13:46.26 | TwistedLappy | adaran: run it across your tongue... do you feel a sting or spicyness? |
| 13:47.17 | that_weasel | hi all |
| 13:47.26 | beeblebrox87 | who decides what debian releases are called? |
| 13:47.37 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: it's in the debian faq i think |
| 13:47.50 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/ |
| 13:47.58 | that_weasel | anyone know if its possible to setup gdm to logon using W2K AD credentials? |
| 13:47.58 | black13 | bob2, to install nano |
| 13:48.03 | TwistedLappy | adaran: did it taste spicy or no? |
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| 13:48.15 | directhex|work | that_weasel, possibly if you set up PAM just right |
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| 13:48.25 | black13 | i wonder if i could chroot into the this and then fix the issue (force nano to install) |
| 13:48.28 | kneet | bob2, just FYI - although the sarge version of spamd creates BDB v 8 - it will read v7 - which the 4.3 utils upgrade to :) |
| 13:48.43 | adaran | directhex|work, one sec |
| 13:48.47 | bob2 | kneet: ah, neat, thanks |
| 13:48.52 | bob2 | black13: you have to wait |
| 13:49.02 | bob2 | black13: if someone has anything to add, they'll add it to the bug report |
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| 13:49.10 | that_weasel | directhex|work: ty |
| 13:49.16 | adaran | directhex|work, before i do that - there's a sticker on it that says s128 din 239 - does that give any clue? |
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| 13:49.57 | black13 | bob2, crud |
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| 13:50.03 | Caeies[taff] | heya all |
| 13:50.16 | K_Dallas | when i launch certain programs from the command line, they start to printing warnings about other programs, something like this: |
| 13:50.19 | K_Dallas | kbuildsycoca: WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/bluefish.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/javascript' |
| 13:50.19 | adaran | TwistedLappy, sorry, i couldn't make out the taste |
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| 13:50.21 | directhex|work | adaran, no. |
| 13:50.23 | adaran | TwistedLappy, too much dust on there |
| 13:50.28 | K_Dallas | how do i resolve this situation? thanks |
| 13:50.29 | adaran | directhex|work, lemme fetch my digicam |
| 13:50.38 | bob2 | black13: people don't work on things in secret |
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| 13:50.42 | Ronin | why the heck is courier a depends of at and webmin core? arrgghh not that i use any of them that much mind you |
| 13:50.53 | black13 | bob2, sorry i didnt get you |
| 13:50.54 | jm_ | directhex|work: I see oen can't write UDF discs on the fly, now I understand your comment about it being slow |
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| 13:51.18 | TwistedLappy | adaran: then it's definatly a ram chip and not a old pepper from last months chinese food. |
| 13:51.19 | black13 | bob2, i dont understand that statement |
| 13:52.11 | TwistedLappy | black13: if they have a fix they will release it... it's not microsoft to where they hide their programs till certain date.. |
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| 13:53.45 | streuner | black13: why not just install over d-i? |
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| 13:54.08 | black13 | streuner, sorry why not just .. |
| 13:54.36 | streuner | black13: because debootstrap wont work? ;-) |
| 13:55.28 | black13 | streuner, that is a valid point i was playing around with the files that deboostrap made ... using them to make a small distro |
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| 13:56.34 | justin | black13: uh, that bug report says the problem has been fixed |
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| 13:57.00 | adaran | is there any "upload your images here" service? |
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| 13:57.20 | Gnea | adaran: many |
| 13:57.29 | black13 | justin, cool sorry still new to debian i was looking for the bug report |
| 13:57.31 | adaran | Gnea, so, any recommendation? |
| 13:57.33 | kobs | www.imageshack.us |
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| 13:57.39 | adaran | thanks |
| 13:57.51 | Gnea | imageshack.us is one of the more popular ones |
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| 13:58.39 | justin | black13: looking for it? you are the one that mentioned it |
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| 13:59.21 | black13 | justin, i found it on google groups as a single posting |
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| 13:59.45 | justin | black13: put that funny number thing you had into bugs.debian.org |
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| 14:01.40 | black13 | justin, my funny number "thing" |
| 14:01.41 | stelki | How do I add a script to boot? I have made a .sh with stuff that I want my machine to run on boot, where would I place that file? |
| 14:02.04 | justin | black13: 09:43 < black13> bob2, Bug #312701 |
| 14:02.12 | justin | black13: stop being so dense |
| 14:02.19 | bob2 | stelki: what's it do? |
| 14:02.25 | bob2 | black13: http://bugs.debian.org/XXXX |
| 14:02.36 | adaran | the mystery ram: http://img158.echo.cx/img158/5899/sidea2pr.jpg / http://img158.echo.cx/img158/7606/sideb9vb.jpg |
| 14:02.36 | stelki | bob2: basically it just runs the commands for mounting my encrypted /home |
| 14:02.42 | adaran | directhex|work, any idea? |
| 14:02.49 | stelki | bob2: s/mounting/setting up ish |
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| 14:03.30 | directhex|work | adaran, PC66, PC100, or PC133 SDRAM |
| 14:03.34 | justin | stelki: use the cryptsetup package. |
| 14:03.35 | that_weasel | is there any significant reason I should choose Krb5 over MIT or vice versa? |
| 14:03.52 | black13 | justin, cut a newbie some slack |
| 14:03.52 | adaran | directhex|work, that was my guess too. i'm sure it's not PC133, but i'm not sure whether it's PC100 or PC66 - any idea on how to find out? |
| 14:04.02 | justin | that_weasel: you should do some more reading if you are confused enough to ask that question |
| 14:04.04 | stelki | justin: I know that, but I want it to run on boot, please read my question before answering |
| 14:04.07 | adaran | directhex|work, if run in a PC100 system, can it do worse then fry itself? |
| 14:04.25 | directhex|work | adaran, no, at worst it wouldn't POST |
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| 14:04.37 | justin | stelki: no, install cryptsetup and read its documentation |
| 14:04.39 | bob2 | stelki: copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/blah, install it into the runlevels with "update-rc.d", enjoy |
| 14:04.43 | black13 | justin, thanks i found the report |
| 14:04.46 | bob2 | stelki: then modify /etc/init.d/skeleton to run your script |
| 14:04.54 | justin | bob2: no no no. cryptsetup does all of that for you |
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| 14:05.11 | justin | bob2: if he is making random broken .sh scripts it is because he didn't read the instructions |
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| 14:05.39 | stelki | justin: my question was in general how to run .sh scripts, its my own fault if I break it then |
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| 14:05.51 | bob2 | ah |
| 14:05.54 | that_weasel | justin: huh? They both provide Kerberos 5 support right? |
| 14:05.55 | martinja | any news about the debian 3.1 bible? |
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| 14:06.24 | justin | that_weasel: the krb5 packages ARE the mit kerberos stuff |
| 14:06.43 | moedontknow | anyone know why this doesn't work -> cat mypackage.list | xargs apt-get install ? seems that it dumps the list correctly but skips the Y/N confirmation |
| 14:06.54 | that_weasel | i'm sorry, what I meant was Heimdal or MIT |
| 14:06.57 | adaran | directhex|work, thank you |
| 14:07.07 | justin | that_weasel: ah, now that question makes sense :-) |
| 14:07.21 | stelki | justin: and man cryptsetup does not tell me anything about setting up at boot |
| 14:07.25 | that_weasel | i was just looking at the pam module name and not thinking |
| 14:08.08 | justin | that_weasel: most people use the mit stuff, probably better off with that |
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| 14:08.38 | that_weasel | right...then MIT it is! :) |
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| 14:09.56 | cat | hey is there any php compiler? so i can view it with apache |
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| 14:10.06 | [Elad] | hello all :) |
| 14:10.16 | Ungy | cat php compiler? |
| 14:10.17 | ledet | cat: ? |
| 14:10.21 | black13 | justin, i found the later version of debootstrap thanks for you help again |
| 14:10.28 | cat | oh well so i can view my codes =) on the mozilla |
| 14:10.30 | Ungy | cat php is an interpreter no ta compiled languae |
| 14:10.36 | Theoretic | it uses a interpreter |
| 14:10.38 | Theoretic | ah |
| 14:10.53 | cat | on mozilla i can't view it i have to download it but i already have it |
| 14:11.04 | Ungy | cat apt-cache search php4 apache |
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| 14:11.14 | Theoretic | php5.. |
| 14:11.23 | Ungy | or whatever |
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| 14:12.02 | [Elad] | how can I show asci file after user login in ssh? (I'm not mean "Banner /etc/issue.net" I mean after the user is login with his pass..) |
| 14:12.09 | Ungy | cat once you install the php apache mod whatever it is called you may also need to add the file types in the apache httpd.conf file |
| 14:12.19 | ledet | [Elad]: /etc/motd ? |
| 14:12.35 | [Elad] | ledet, yes! thank u very much |
| 14:12.43 | tralala | !u |
| 14:12.43 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:13.10 | justin | stelki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EncryptedFilesystemHowto explains it pretty well.. all you really need to do is add the one line to /etc/crypttab, could probably file a bug on cryptsetup to include better docs |
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| 14:14.00 | hejux_ | how to change the KDE menu to display as English? |
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| 14:14.11 | Ungy | cat unless your using apache2 then you just need to do a a2enmod php and it will be done |
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| 14:14.35 | cat | oh |
| 14:14.36 | cat | hold up |
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| 14:15.05 | Ungy | hejux click the K menu and then select the green monitor looking thing |
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| 14:15.16 | moedontknow | anyone know why this doesn't work -> cat mypackage.list | xargs apt-get install ? seems that it dumps the list correctly but skips the Y/N confirmation |
| 14:15.30 | Ungy | hejux then click the flags |
| 14:15.40 | Ungy | hejux then once again click the flags |
| 14:16.34 | Ungy | hejux first tab is locales top drop down is current language the top botton on the right is add language |
| 14:16.38 | jethro | moedontknow: you should use dpkg --get-selections | dpkg --set-selections for that |
| 14:16.51 | hejux_ | ok |
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| 14:16.56 | hejux_ | thanks |
| 14:17.02 | hejux_ | i got it |
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| 14:17.16 | moedontknow | jethro thanks I'll give it a try |
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| 14:17.58 | jethro | moedontknow: you're welcome. |
| 14:18.05 | hejux_ | Ungy: i can only add two language |
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| 14:18.20 | Ungy | hejux then you do not have the locale installed |
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| 14:20.16 | luminousnerd | Hey guys, when does furrywolf generally get on, do you know? |
| 14:20.19 | hejux_ | Ungy: i have locales |
| 14:20.25 | Ungy | hejux I am not certain of the package name to reconfigure locales |
| 14:20.27 | Gnea | !seen furrywolf |
| 14:20.28 | dpkg | furrywolf <~randyg@68.105.23.171> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 1m 18s ago, saying: 'but now I need to power everything off. :('. |
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| 14:20.43 | jethro | luminousnerd: he's no longer coming. |
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| 14:20.56 | luminousnerd | jethro: aww :( ok thanks |
| 14:20.58 | Gnea | hrm |
| 14:21.01 | david__ | df -h |
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| 14:21.46 | bnoji | Has anyone done Samba3 + LDAP for a PDC? |
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| 14:21.48 | ruru | hingwah, how to limit the max number of simultaneous requests for one virtual host in apache 2.0. I know I should ask in #apache, but there's no one respone me. |
| 14:21.56 | Mage\work | bnoji: yes |
| 14:21.59 | Ungy | hejux I am unsure as to the process for adding locales |
| 14:22.14 | jethro | ruru: look for limitipconn or mod_throttle |
| 14:22.29 | Ungy | hejux maybe try localization-config? |
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| 14:22.39 | jethro | ruru: and you should wait for an answer in #apache, instead of trying other places where you are off topic. |
| 14:22.45 | david__ | I just deleted some partitions with cfdisk and created a new one. But when I mount the newly created partition, the disk capacity for that partition is waaaay lower than whan cfdisk showed. What am I missing? |
| 14:22.48 | abrotman | jethro: he stopped coming in here ? |
| 14:22.51 | Ungy | hejux or maybe localeconf |
| 14:23.07 | jethro | abrotman: read -ot |
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| 14:23.59 | ruru | thanks jethro , limitipconn is not what I want, I would google mod_throtttle |
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| 14:24.30 | jethro | ruru: make sure ask #apache and wait for their answer next time ;) |
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| 14:25.06 | ruru | jethro, I'm sorry for off topic. |
| 14:25.24 | bnoji | Mage\work: Is there a good howto? |
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| 14:26.49 | Mage\work | bnoji: I followed the official samba howto |
| 14:26.53 | bnoji | I'm installing LDAP now, and I have samba running already, but I don't know how to integrate LDAP |
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| 14:27.02 | yo | yuy8 |
| 14:27.09 | Mage\work | but for a PDC you have to know some windows administration too |
| 14:27.46 | bnoji | I already have a running samba PDC, I just want to switch to an LDAP backend so I can replicate across 2+ servers now |
| 14:27.50 | laopa | installed the dynamic dns client ip-no package. cannot run because there is no /etc/no-ip.conf config file. the system should generate this file, not me. right? what goes wrong? |
| 14:27.51 | Mage\work | bnoji: the only thing you have to do is to replace your passdb backend |
| 14:28.06 | bnoji | Mage\work: So just install LDAP as normal? |
| 14:28.14 | Mage\work | yes |
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| 14:28.17 | laopa | sorry, not ip-no, it's no-ip. |
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| 14:28.34 | Mage\work | look at the ldap* directive in smb.conf |
| 14:28.36 | luminousnerd | so, would anyone happen to know any way of getting in touch with furrywolf? |
| 14:28.47 | bnoji | Yay. digestmd5.c:812: error: syntax error before "des_key_schedule" |
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| 14:29.09 | hejux_ | Ungy ：dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:29.23 | bnoji | I'm trying to build SASL 2.1.21 and its not working. |
| 14:29.35 | bob2 | bnoji: why are you building it? |
| 14:29.44 | K_Dallas | i noticed that aptitude checks for packages not used (how it chose them is another story) which i have not seen in apt-get or synaptic, so maybe it is better i switch to aptitude afterall |
| 14:29.56 | crysss | Could anybody please give me a working sources.list line for x.org binaries for amd64? |
| 14:29.57 | hejux_ | Ungy: plz |
| 14:30.04 | hejux_ | type hejux_ |
| 14:30.38 | Mage\work | bnoji: I don't use SASL |
| 14:30.38 | bob2 | crysss: x.org isn't in debian... |
| 14:30.38 | Mage\work | I use simple authentification + SSL |
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| 14:30.50 | crysss | bob2: But in Ubuntu. I heard, this should work. |
| 14:31.34 | luminousnerd | so, would anyone happen to know any way of getting in touch with furrywolf? |
| 14:31.35 | laopa | installed the dynamic dns client no-ip package. cannot run because there is no /etc/no-ip.conf config file. the system should generate this file, not me. right? what goes wrong? |
| 14:32.00 | jethro | crysss: if you bastardize your system, you can ask for support in #debian. |
| 14:32.11 | jethro | s/can/can't/ |
| 14:32.28 | bnoji | Mage\work: The LDAP guide says I need it. |
| 14:32.38 | bnoji | I'm not sure what for...I'm assuming for LDAP standards stuf |
| 14:32.39 | bnoji | f |
| 14:33.02 | Mage\work | SASL is just a library for authentification |
| 14:33.06 | Mage\work | and it's not needed |
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| 14:33.35 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 14:33.39 | bob2 | can'y you just use pam and pam_ldap? |
| 14:33.44 | bnoji | What's the difference between GNU SASL and Cyrus SASL? LDAP guide says it needs Cyrus |
| 14:33.50 | jethro | bob2: that's different |
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| 14:34.07 | jethro | bob2: sasl/simple auth is the authentication between the LDAP server and the system you're using pam_ldap nss_ldap on |
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| 14:34.10 | Mage\work | bnoji: probably nothing ... it's like GNU TLS and OPENSSL .. |
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| 14:34.17 | bnoji | hmm |
| 14:34.42 | daffy-pkf | my "http://nonus.debian.org/debian-non-US sid/non-US main contrib non-free" doesn't work anymore... is there a reason to that? |
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| 14:34.50 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: no more non-us |
| 14:34.52 | Mage\work | daffy-pkf: /topic |
| 14:34.57 | abrotman | !tell daffy-pkf about non-us |
| 14:35.04 | daffy-pkf | ho, thanks |
| 14:35.07 | wlinux | salve |
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| 14:35.11 | jethro | !nonus daffy-pkf |
| 14:35.12 | dpkg | Hey, daffy-pkf, the topic says non-us doesn't exist anymore. Wheee! Ask me about 'non-us'. |
| 14:35.28 | mwilson | Ah, another clueless unstable user. |
| 14:35.39 | abrotman | mwilson: you making a list ? |
| 14:35.40 | jethro | mwilson: it's not only unstable is it? |
| 14:35.48 | jethro | !non-us |
| 14:35.49 | dpkg | i guess non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
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| 14:35.56 | abrotman | it doesn't exist for anything sarge or after |
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| 14:36.09 | jethro | that's what I thought too |
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| 14:36.20 | mwilson | jethro: Note that his example line says "sid". |
| 14:36.20 | martinja | !lftp |
| 14:36.20 | dpkg | hmm... lftp is a rockin' ncftp killer or the leet FTP client. my daddy!, or the quick lftp howto: lftp foo? get blah? cd bleh? ^z to background d/l's? jobs to list them? |
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| 14:36.52 | jethro | mwilson: my bad. |
| 14:36.57 | abrotman | mwilson: i think his point was that if you're running any current versions(except oldstable) .. doesn't exist anymore |
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| 14:37.07 | abrotman | but yes .. he missed the sid :) |
| 14:37.26 | jethro | !irritate espi |
| 14:37.27 | dpkg | espi: wenas how can I make my mepis werkz !!!! |
| 14:37.43 | bob2 | I don't think there's a reason to be an ass there |
| 14:38.00 | abrotman | ass to who ? |
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| 14:39.08 | luminousnerd | so, would anyone happen to know any way of getting in touch with furrywolf? |
| 14:39.14 | bob2 | why? |
| 14:39.18 | martinja | Would be nice to see more manual/tutorials out there. |
| 14:39.25 | jethro | luminousnerd: try his msn |
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| 14:39.51 | thingfish | luminousnerd: I just joined; has anyone suggested memoserv? |
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| 14:40.33 | thingfish | of course that only works if they frequent the channel. |
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| 14:40.49 | luminousnerd | jethro: do you know what his msn is? |
| 14:41.07 | luminousnerd | thingfish: what is memoserv? |
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| 14:41.14 | jethro | luminousnerd: can I /msg it to you? |
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| 14:41.27 | luminousnerd | jethro: sure |
| 14:41.32 | luminousnerd | thanks :) |
| 14:41.50 | thingfish | luminousnerd: well...it's MemoServ, a freenode feature that allows you to send messages to a person. |
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| 14:42.25 | luminousnerd | thingfish: he no longer frequents freenode :( |
| 14:42.46 | thingfish | luminousnerd: well then memoserv wouldn't help at all. |
| 14:42.56 | resiak | luminousnerd: fluffybunnygirl92@hotmail.com, I understand. |
| 14:42.57 | luminousnerd | heh, thx anyway thingfish |
| 14:43.04 | thingfish | np |
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| 14:43.30 | luminousnerd | heh, resiak thanks but jethro msged me that, probably shouldn't have put it here :/ oh well |
| 14:43.34 | luminousnerd | thanks though :) |
| 14:43.34 | resiak | luminousnerd: Ah well. |
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| 14:44.00 | bnoji | How long should OpenLDAP take to build on a 3.2GHz, 512MB ? 5+ minutes? |
| 14:44.11 | martinja | Is anyone using a ftp client with ssl support besides lftp? |
| 14:44.14 | bob2 | why are you even building it? |
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| 14:45.04 | Lee__ | bnoji: how long have you been compiling it? |
| 14:45.22 | jethro | bnoji: it takes about ten minutes on my dual 2.8GHz |
| 14:45.44 | bnoji | I just started it a minute ago |
| 14:45.52 | bnoji | Heh. Done |
| 14:45.58 | bnoji | Took less than 3 minutes |
| 14:46.11 | Lee__ | fast CPUs are nice. |
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| 14:46.17 | thingfish | jethro: nice. |
| 14:46.40 | jethro | thingfish: not really |
| 14:46.43 | bnoji | All tests from make test are running ok. |
| 14:47.13 | thingfish | jethro: but it's one of the new dual-core p4s, right? I hear those are very nice. |
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| 14:49.07 | thingfish | And those 2.8s are going for a very agreeable price, too. |
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| 14:50.27 | jethro | thingfish: I don't know for sure. it's a box there, at my customer's. my dev box actually, some HP 4U gear |
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| 14:50.30 | toonX | anyone managed to succesfully install the ati drivers on sarge pure64 ? i need some GL power and the drivers that come with XFree86 4.3 don't provide any |
| 14:50.38 | thingfish | ah |
| 14:50.58 | Mage\work | toonX: ati drivers sux horribly ... |
| 14:51.28 | Mage\work | I've the same problem with my radeon 9800 pro, the drivers don't built |
| 14:51.43 | Mage\work | (except with kernel 2.4) |
| 14:51.53 | toonX | Mage\work well yes, but im using 2.6 |
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| 14:52.51 | stevewpi | anyone have any trouble with gnome and/or kde hanging right after login or on the splash screen? |
| 14:52.58 | Lee__ | no |
| 14:53.05 | error403 | nope |
| 14:53.06 | Lee__ | !anyone |
| 14:53.06 | dpkg | somebody said anyone was ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 14:53.14 | directhex|work | toonX, google for "ati flavio" |
| 14:53.46 | bnoji | make test takes forever |
| 14:54.04 | toonX | directhex|work thanks! |
| 14:54.15 | ircdevil | bah - here i am - debugging the firewall to allow web connection to apache - and i turns out apache is not installed after upgrade. doh! |
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| 14:55.44 | thingfish | stevewpi: in sarge? Everything's fine here. |
| 14:56.14 | bnoji | Yay. LDAP is done. |
| 14:56.14 | thingfish | Well maybe I shouldn't say that; I haven't tried KDE yet. |
| 14:56.17 | bnoji | Samba is configuring. |
| 14:56.30 | stevewpi | I have this strange problem where regardless of session type I select (gnome/gname failsafe/kde/kde failsafe) they often hangon on a solid gray screen or with the splash screen on that background. Originally it was only when I had to restart X but now even after I reboot it does this. Its a fresh install of Sarge. |
| 14:56.41 | martinjafood | Is there a ftp client with implicit ssl support that has good tutorial/manual? |
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| 14:56.52 | bob2 | stevewpi: does it affect other users? |
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| 14:57.09 | TinoW | martinjafood: why not just use sftp? |
| 14:57.16 | stevewpi | yes I created a new user and that user experiences the same behavior |
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| 14:57.32 | martinjafood | Tinow: Didnt see it recommended |
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| 14:57.56 | martinjafood | I only was recommend lftp which has bad manuals/faqs |
| 14:57.57 | stevewpi | I tried kde to see if there was any difference and that fails on the initializing system services part of the splash |
| 14:57.59 | TinoW | martinjafood: plain ftp is just too braindead ;) |
| 14:58.03 | cddesjar | i need someone who is a pro at troubleshooting printers using CUPS |
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| 14:58.15 | stelki | how can I tell if dma is enabled for a device on my system? |
| 14:58.16 | TinoW | martinjafood: what are you doing so you need a whole tutorial for an ftp client? |
| 14:58.37 | xoz | stevewpi: try rm -rf .kde and start kde again |
| 14:58.42 | stevewpi | if I use gnoem failsafe I get the little dialog explaining what it is, hit ok, and gray screen of doom |
| 14:58.57 | martinja | tinow: connecting to a implicit ssl ftp. I just couldnt get lftp working- |
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| 14:59.29 | stevewpi | ok I'll go try that, although that was my first tiem running kde when it happened (I had been using gnome and tried kde for the first time to see if it had the same problem) |
| 14:59.30 | netman1 | stewpi: are metacity and or sawfish installed. Ie. 'dpkg -l sawfish metacity'? |
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| 14:59.49 | TinoW | martinja: I think you can connect without a big manual, can you? ;) |
| 14:59.53 | stevewpi | there's a metacity process running when I'm sort of half logged in |
| 14:59.57 | cahoot | stelki: dmesg| grep -i dma |
| 15:00.01 | cddesjar | anyone know why when i open openoffice 1.1.3 that instead of getting characters at the top (i.e. File, Edit, Open, Print), I get boxes that seem to indict to me that I don't have the proper font installed? |
| 15:00.05 | xoz | stevewpi: try wmaker or fluxbox or openbox |
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| 15:00.19 | martinja | Tinow: do you know how in lftp to use implicit ssl? |
| 15:00.23 | stelki | cahoot, thanks |
| 15:00.32 | stevewpi | while I'm very experienced with linux X is new to me so I just sued the desktop environment tasksel |
| 15:00.44 | TinoW | martinja: is this a server set up by somebody else? |
| 15:00.45 | stelki | cahoot, UDMA(133) should mean its on, yes? |
| 15:00.49 | xoz | cddesjar: check the order of fonts in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or try use a font server |
| 15:01.02 | martinja | Tinow: By myself |
| 15:01.05 | TinoW | martinja: what about: ftp-ssl - The FTP client with SSL encryption support ? |
| 15:01.06 | stevewpi | xoz: do I have to remove metacity first? |
| 15:01.24 | cahoot | stelki: yes |
| 15:01.24 | TinoW | martinja: why would you do such a thing? Why not just use ssh/sftp? :-) Zero config |
| 15:01.30 | stelki | cahoot, thanks then |
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| 15:01.38 | xoz | stevewpi: nope. you can have several installed. |
| 15:01.44 | stevewpi | xoz: and do I have to do anything to gnome or my XF86Config to switch? |
| 15:01.47 | martinja | tinow because it is on a windows system and didnt find a good ssh server for windows |
| 15:02.01 | cahoot | stelki: you suspect it's not enabled ? |
| 15:02.01 | martinja | tinow: I will check out sftp |
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| 15:02.05 | xoz | stevewpi: what window manager are you using? |
| 15:02.09 | gromf | does someone use wpasupplicant ? |
| 15:02.14 | HeLfReZ | ive been playin with FC4 over the weekend and its really snappy, only problem i ran into so far was LVM with autopartitioning doesnt format and mount properly sometimes, specially installing via nfs |
| 15:02.16 | xoz | stevewpi: kdm? xdm? gdm? |
| 15:02.21 | xoz | stevewpi: or startx |
| 15:02.28 | TinoW | martinja: ah I see. sftp is for ssh too. You might try ftp-ssl then. |
| 15:02.40 | cddesjar | xoz: what should i switch it to for fonts? |
| 15:02.40 | stevewpi | xoz: gdm was apparently the default with tasksel's "Desktop Environment" |
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| 15:02.43 | TinoW | martinja: the other way round works better, e.g. linux as server and windows as client |
| 15:02.45 | cddesjar | or how can i install a font package? |
| 15:03.14 | xoz | stevewpi: install one of those i mentioned and they should appear in the selection of gdm |
| 15:03.17 | martinja | Tinow: Do you know a good DC client software? I might switch the box to a *nix as well with glftpd or what not. |
| 15:03.25 | stevewpi | xoz: ok thanks a lot will do |
| 15:03.27 | cbr | if i have found a package that the debian repositories should have but dont have atm, where could i add my suggestion to add such a package? |
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| 15:03.57 | Lee__ | I just noticed something strange with the i386 binary ISOs via bittorrent. I downloaded two last week and they get identified in /etc/apt/sources.list as including the "unstable contrib main" sections, yet the CD is identified as "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_" |
| 15:03.57 | xoz | cddesjar: it's better to enable xfs fontserver |
| 15:04.11 | TinoW | martinja: depends on what you are doing with it |
| 15:04.24 | xoz | cddesjar: and add the line FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server |
| 15:04.26 | TinoW | martinja: I never install *ftp on any of my boxes |
| 15:04.33 | xoz | cddesjar: in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 15:04.37 | martinja | brb |
| 15:04.43 | abrotman | DC ? |
| 15:04.55 | TinoW | abrotman: DC vs. AC ;) |
| 15:04.57 | simonrvn | well, if you have one box with all the fonts installed, and send that out to clients on the network, that would work great (like a thin client, but with a drive, e.g.) |
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| 15:05.15 | abrotman | download client? |
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| 15:05.41 | xoz | martinja: using ftp is a bad idea |
| 15:05.50 | Lee__ | !ftp |
| 15:05.51 | dpkg | from memory, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 15:06.12 | simonrvn | then you can use something like FontPath hostname:tcp or whatever the format is |
| 15:06.31 | martinja | xoz: why? |
| 15:06.34 | bnoji | Does SWAT work well for Samba + LDAP? |
| 15:06.35 | TinoW | but even encrypted ftp is totally braindead in point of protocol view ;) |
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| 15:06.55 | simonrvn | no kidding. doesn't encrypt the data for instance |
| 15:06.58 | xoz | martinja: ^^^ ... insecure |
| 15:07.01 | martinja | I will use most likely glftpd even if it is closed source |
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| 15:07.17 | abrotman | bnoji: might get a better reponse in #samba |
| 15:07.23 | cddesjar | xoz: that's already there as the first line of my font section |
| 15:07.27 | martinja | xoz : It is only for myown usage only |
| 15:07.35 | simonrvn | ffs... stupid borked mailer... yes my own fault |
| 15:07.37 | abrotman | martinja: just for download ? |
| 15:07.38 | martinja | XoZ: what transfer system is more secure? |
| 15:07.44 | abrotman | martinja: scp |
| 15:07.52 | xoz | martinja: having an ftp server open an insecure port |
| 15:07.55 | martinja | abrotman : my ftp server will be my backup place. |
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| 15:08.14 | stevewpi | xoz: window maker works no problem |
| 15:08.16 | xoz | cddesjar: and xfs is running? /etc/init.d/xfs start |
| 15:08.27 | TinoW | martinja: for backup rather use a backup tool or at least rsync over ssh |
| 15:08.33 | xoz | stevewpi: are you running unstable? |
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| 15:08.52 | cddesjar | yup |
| 15:08.56 | simonrvn | rsync+ssh://foorbar@bar:/baz/quux |
| 15:08.56 | stevewpi | xoz: nope, sarge, installed post-release |
| 15:09.00 | martinja | Any cross platform windows/linux backup tool ? |
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| 15:09.21 | kdehead | exit |
| 15:09.22 | xoz | stevewpi: how big memory do you have? |
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| 15:09.37 | martinja | You could tunnel the ftp connection via ssh...or? |
| 15:09.59 | abrotman | martinja: use scp |
| 15:10.05 | martinja | My current setup is using 1024 bit ssl |
| 15:10.07 | abrotman | or yes .. rsync ... |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | or shfs is fun! |
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| 15:10.37 | xoz | martinja: forget ftp... use scp, rsync+ssh, sftp |
| 15:10.37 | cbr | hmm.. timeout dunno if this got threw: where should i whine to get some package into the debian repos? |
| 15:10.38 | stevewpi | xoz:256MB |
| 15:10.39 | martinja | with shfs can I mount ftp sites? |
| 15:10.50 | martinja | xoz : will that work with windows as well? |
| 15:10.56 | xoz | martinja: winscp |
| 15:11.00 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 15:11.00 | dpkg | somebody said shfs was http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 15:11.01 | Getto | hey someone knows hosting qith ssh 22 access ? |
| 15:11.06 | abrotman | if it's windows .. use filezilla |
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| 15:11.46 | martinja | So ftp with 1024 or 2048 bit ssl (inlcuding transfers) is not safe? |
| 15:11.49 | xoz | stevewpi: both gnome and kde bomb? |
| 15:11.53 | abrotman | martinja: filezilla can do scp .. works well enough .. if you're used to WS-FTP .. should be easy enough for you |
| 15:12.14 | cddesjar | do i need gimp print? |
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| 15:12.25 | stevewpi | xoz: yes, gnome on debian splash, kde on splash with initializing system services step |
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| 15:12.47 | xoz | martinja: you have much option/flexibility if you use those things we mentioned instead of sticking your *butt* with ftp protocol... it's old and *ugly* |
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| 15:13.28 | abrotman | and insecure ? |
| 15:13.41 | xoz | stevewpi: how long do you wait for the process before giving up? |
| 15:13.47 | bob2 | how does ftp/ssl handle the data/control thing? |
| 15:13.51 | cddesjar | ok i think i may have figured out something with my cups problem |
| 15:13.52 | bob2 | just ecnrypt both of them? |
| 15:13.58 | jethro | !sdo |
| 15:14.01 | stevewpi | xoz: originally gnome would do this if I had to Ctrl+Alt+Bksp but reboot would fix it, now it always does it.. last time I was in gnome I chose the logout option, the logout screen didn't come up, the menu hung but I could do other things on the panel bar but I couldn't logout so I Ctrl+Alt+Bksp and have never been able to get back in |
| 15:14.02 | cddesjar | when i run lp at the command prompt i get |
| 15:14.04 | cddesjar | lp: unable to print file: client-error-not-found |
| 15:14.14 | martinja | xoz: abrotman : I will look into those things |
| 15:14.22 | stevewpi | xoz: the first time with gnome I walked away for a half hour and returned to a gray screen |
| 15:14.38 | stevewpi | xoz: of late I've been waiting a couple of minutes |
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| 15:14.49 | xoz | stevewpi: mv .gnome .gnome-backup... try to mv the old .gnome dir... possible some configs borked |
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| 15:15.28 | moedontknow | anyone know if theres a realplayer helper package in debian atm? |
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| 15:16.05 | cinix | Is it normal for famd to flip out and start using 100% of my processor? |
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| 15:16.46 | mwilson | Anyone know why moedontknow doesn't just look? |
| 15:16.50 | cinix | I assume it's cataloging a lot of files? I used to have a problem with everything that depended on it crashing when it was in this state, and killing it solved the problem, but I'm hesistant to kill it now because I think it might be doign something legitimate |
| 15:17.04 | bob2 | famd is kinda ass |
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| 15:17.08 | moedontknow | mwilson I looked nothing came up |
| 15:17.12 | bob2 | I wouldn't be surprised if it had just gone into lalaland |
| 15:17.22 | bob2 | cinix: you can strace it to see if it's doing anything useful |
| 15:17.23 | stevewpi | xoz: not looking good but I'll give it a little time.. I only doubt that its not a .gnome thing since kde has trouble too and I tried creating a new user and using that user |
| 15:17.27 | xoz | cinix: yep... it's stealing a lot of processor cycle |
| 15:17.29 | mwilson | moedontknow: Well, that kind of answers your question, doesn't it? |
| 15:17.36 | cinix | can I strace a running proccess? |
| 15:17.39 | thingfish | I remember back when I used fedora, fam was always causing problems. They ended up switching to gamin. |
| 15:17.39 | cinix | how so? |
| 15:17.48 | moedontknow | mwilson not really i'm sure someone may have an unofficial installer |
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| 15:17.52 | Ekaterin | I'm having some trouble with USB memory sticks. I followed the instructions about compiling USB and SCSI support into the kernel, and it works with the first memory stick I tried, but attempting to mount any other gives "/dev/sda1 is not a valid block device". |
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| 15:18.12 | xoz | stevewpi: .gnome2? anything with .gnome* |
| 15:18.20 | mwilson | moedontknow: If it were unofficial, then anyone know if theres a realplayer helper package in |
| 15:18.22 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.26 | abrotman | !tell moedontknow about helix-player |
| 15:18.27 | cinix | I'm not sure what program had that depency and installed it, I never would have done it ! |
| 15:18.32 | bob2 | cinix: strace -p 123 |
| 15:18.33 | mwilson | makes no sense, now does it? |
| 15:18.38 | bob2 | cinix: where 123 is the PID |
| 15:18.43 | mwilson | hrm, stupid paste |
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| 15:19.00 | mwilson | moedontknow: It still wouldn't be in Debian if it were unofficial. |
| 15:19.06 | cinix | bob2, oh that's too cool. |
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| 15:19.32 | cinix | heh yea it's lost |
| 15:19.36 | cddesjar | here is the print out form when i do printconf |
| 15:19.37 | abrotman | moedontknow: the official realplayer isn't available to be packaged in debian due to DFSG stuff |
| 15:19.37 | cddesjar | http://pastebin.ca/14290 |
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| 15:21.07 | stevewpi | xoz: ok got .g* .metacity .themes .qt .kde .kderc .nautilus all moved into backup dir |
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| 15:21.37 | xoz | stevewpi: and ... charan... |
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| 15:22.09 | moedontknow | abrotman I gotcha guess I just expected something similar to the flash installer nonfree app to be floating around thanks for the info on the helix-player |
| 15:22.18 | cddesjar | anyone know if there is a CUPS irc? |
| 15:22.33 | abrotman | moedontknow: i think thier license prohibits redistribution |
| 15:22.34 | abrotman | !cups |
| 15:22.34 | dpkg | i heard cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 15:22.38 | stevewpi | xoz: and no luck |
| 15:22.42 | abrotman | cddesjar: try #cups ... |
| 15:23.00 | abrotman | cddesjar: dunno if it actually exists though |
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| 15:23.38 | xoz | stevewpi: try rm .Xauthority .ICEauthority |
| 15:23.43 | cddesjar | abrotman: it does but like 2 people there |
| 15:23.44 | xoz | stevewpi: and restart X |
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| 15:23.52 | abrotman | cddesjar: guess not then |
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| 15:25.15 | tombs | could someone please, tell me why why cannot install mldonkey on sarge? |
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| 15:25.55 | stevewpi | xoz: going to reboot, brb |
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| 15:26.12 | jethro | !tell ttz about nvidia |
| 15:26.15 | jethro | !tell ttz about nvidia one liner |
| 15:26.20 | yab_ | :) |
| 15:26.22 | yab_ | vu |
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| 15:28.39 | mborohovski | hey guys |
| 15:28.43 | paulswm | s/loght/light/ |
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| 15:28.57 | mborohovski | i have a problem |
| 15:29.04 | diesel | Where do I go to file a bug for a package? |
| 15:29.05 | jethro | mborohovski: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 15:29.10 | mborohovski | im trying to install debian on a vaio s480 |
| 15:29.11 | abrotman | !tell diesel about bts |
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| 15:29.18 | mborohovski | but it doesnt recognize the hard disk |
| 15:29.19 | jethro | mborohovski: /msg dpkg enter |
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| 15:29.40 | tombs | xoz, years??I've heard about 2 mounths...but anyway, I'm using gnu/linux for only 7 mounths now :( |
| 15:29.40 | mborohovski | after a bit of googling, ive modprobed ata_piix, but to no avail |
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| 15:30.06 | xoz | tombs: explain more your issue |
| 15:30.36 | stevewpi | xoz: purged my whol hoem directory, rebooted, no go |
| 15:30.42 | cinix | I wish I could modprobe someone :( |
| 15:30.42 | mborohovski | sorry, about the enter thing, didnt mean to annoy. anyone have any ideas though? |
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| 15:30.52 | nanok | mborohovski: google for vaio s480 and debian, i am sure someone else out there is running debian on one and very proud of it ;) |
| 15:31.00 | xoz | stevewpi: which part of gnome/kde does it hang? |
| 15:31.12 | tombs | xoz, 2.6.8-2 |
| 15:31.14 | mborohovski | nanok: nope, not at all |
| 15:31.40 | stevewpi | xoz: not sure how to answer that |
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| 15:31.45 | mborohovski | nanok: its a brand new lappy (just released) and so nobody has released any how to's on it at all |
| 15:31.55 | stevewpi | xoz: its during the splash right after the login screen |
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| 15:32.12 | stevewpi | are the processes are synchronized in a ps |
| 15:32.16 | nanok | mborohovski: have you tryed any kind of live cd on it? |
| 15:32.23 | mborohovski | yes |
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| 15:32.27 | nanok | mborohovski: it can be a good start.. |
| 15:32.31 | nanok | mborohovski: and?.. |
| 15:32.53 | xoz | stevewpi: what is your hardware? cpu? |
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| 15:33.01 | mborohovski | nanok: knoppix works, ubuntu doesnt (hangs at pcmcia, but thats another issue). |
| 15:33.15 | stevewpi | xoz: P3 500 |
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| 15:34.04 | cddesjar | this is a dumb question...how do i uncompress a .gz file |
| 15:34.07 | cddesjar | i forgot |
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| 15:34.10 | cddesjar | it's just a .gz |
| 15:34.12 | cddesjar | not a .tar.gz |
| 15:34.15 | Morti | gunzip |
| 15:34.17 | xoz | stevewpi: try startkde |
| 15:34.19 | mborohovski | man gunzip |
| 15:34.29 | mborohovski | nanok: any ideas? or anyone? |
| 15:34.44 | xoz | stevewpi: or strace startkde |
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| 15:35.49 | cddesjar | i knew it was something like that |
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| 15:35.57 | cddesjar | i tried gzip inititially |
| 15:35.57 | viper | ok I have a working vpn server clients get their ip via the dhcpd server .. that works.. but the subnet stays 255.255.255.255 while the dhcpd offers 255.255.0.0 .. how come ? |
| 15:36.48 | mborohovski | gahh, ive been trying to get this since i got this thing, and it pisses me off. i cant figure out any reason it wouldnt recognize the hard disk |
| 15:36.49 | nanok | mborohovski: so knoppix works, as in, sees the hdd and all?.. |
| 15:37.11 | mborohovski | nanok: knoppix runs, but i cant mount the hard disk...same problem |
| 15:37.23 | cddesjar | how do i configure my network? |
| 15:37.28 | jethro | mborohovski: what's the harddisk? and the controler? |
| 15:37.28 | cddesjar | is there a netconfig |
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| 15:37.30 | stevewpi | xoz: cannot open display / cannot connect to xserver |
| 15:37.31 | cddesjar | or a netconf? |
| 15:37.38 | nanok | mborohovski: well, is the hdd mkfsed/partitioned or is it brand new?.. |
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| 15:37.40 | cockroach | i have a problem with my matrox (g550) card: as soon as i try to switch to a 640x480 or 800x600 resolution, my screen complains about "Video mode not supported". I know this used to work with the exact same hardware but I haven't switched mode for a couple of months so I have no idea when it broke. How could I possibly debug this? |
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| 15:37.46 | stevewpi | xoz: that was as root with gdm stopped |
| 15:37.47 | Tolotos | Guten Tag! |
| 15:38.01 | mborohovski | nanok: brand new |
| 15:38.05 | xoz | stevewpi: stop the gdm ... then at the terminal strace startkde |
| 15:38.10 | mborohovski | still has winxp on it |
| 15:38.14 | Tolotos | Könnte mir jemand der anwesenden eine Frage beantworten? |
| 15:38.18 | xoz | stevewpi: make sure there is no X ... ps ax | grep X |
| 15:38.22 | nanok | mborohovski: how would you be able to mount it if there is no fs on it?.. |
| 15:38.28 | xrgtn_ | Debian's kernel-patch-acl does not apply to 2.4.30 -- is there more fresh one? |
| 15:38.31 | mborohovski | mount ntfs? |
| 15:38.31 | xoz | stevewpi: kill any remaining X |
| 15:38.32 | black13 | anyone here build xorg from source on debian sid? |
| 15:38.39 | stevewpi | xoz: noX |
| 15:38.43 | nanok | mborohovski: boot knoppix again and do some digging, see if you can find out more about your hw.. |
| 15:38.48 | joris | slightly offtopic: I have a dual xeon and hyperthreading enabled, yet the kernel messages show only 2 processors - is there something wrong, or does some type of driver show only physical processors? (fi, knoppix shows 4) |
| 15:38.50 | nanok | mborohovski: ah, i see |
| 15:38.56 | stevewpi | xoz: after trying to start it dcopserver is running, shall I kill that? |
| 15:38.57 | mborohovski | nanok: what do you mean find out more? |
| 15:39.05 | xoz | stevewpi: yep... |
| 15:39.06 | Tolotos | i have a question: which image i must download with an amd64 cpu? |
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| 15:39.13 | nanok | mborohovski: when you boot knoppix, do you see an icon on the desktop? for hda1 or smt similar?.. |
| 15:39.21 | petemc | joris: you need acpi processor enumeration enabled |
| 15:39.26 | mborohovski | nanok: nopw. |
| 15:39.30 | xoz | stevewpi: and remove .ICEauthority .Xauthority ... then strace startx |
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| 15:39.33 | mborohovski | s/nopw/nope/ |
| 15:39.33 | xoz | stevewpi: and remove .ICEauthority .Xauthority ... then strace startkde |
| 15:39.37 | nanok | mborohovski: hmm. |
| 15:39.44 | nanok | mborohovski: what version of knoppix is it?.. |
| 15:39.59 | joris | petemc: oh, that's off indeed |
| 15:40.01 | mborohovski | std 1.3 or 1.4, dont recall unfortunately :( |
| 15:40.02 | joris | petemc: thanks |
| 15:40.08 | petemc | np |
| 15:40.19 | nanok | mborohovski: (your brand new shiny sony vaio might feature some strange sata controller...) |
| 15:40.48 | mwilson | Tolotos: There is no Debian release for AMD64. |
| 15:40.48 | mborohovski | nanok: (thanks, i figured as much, but i know the name of the controller) |
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| 15:40.51 | mborohovski | 'tis the... |
| 15:40.52 | nanok | mborohovski: just downloaded, or an old one that was hanging arround?.. |
| 15:40.57 | stevewpi | xoz: ok done |
| 15:40.59 | xoz | mborohovski: tried linux26 during debian install prompt? |
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| 15:41.15 | mborohovski | Intel 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controller |
| 15:41.19 | mborohovski | yep |
| 15:41.25 | mborohovski | xoz: yep |
| 15:41.27 | madclicker | was there any updates available to sarge seince stable release? |
| 15:41.37 | mborohovski | nanok: old one hanging around |
| 15:41.44 | mwilson | madclicker: No. |
| 15:41.46 | mborohovski | nanok: however, debian is just downloaded |
| 15:41.52 | xoz | madclicker: that's easy to find out. apt-get update.. then upgrade |
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| 15:42.10 | nanok | mborohovski: ok, than, short try: boot the sarge installer with "linux26" |
| 15:42.10 | mwilson | xoz: Yes, but it's madclicker you're talking about here. |
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| 15:42.23 | nanok | mborohovski: in case you haven't tryed that allready.. |
| 15:42.25 | xoz | mwilson: ahhh |
| 15:42.26 | mborohovski | nanok: ive done that |
| 15:42.26 | joris | petemc: hmmm, I know I turned it off somewhere, but I can't find it now |
| 15:42.34 | nanok | mborohovski: no joy?.. |
| 15:42.44 | madclicker | xoz: before i had updates a;most every day, now suddenly noda for a week. |
| 15:42.49 | mborohovski | nanok: none. that was the first thing i did after the error. |
| 15:42.53 | xoz | stevewpi: any nice messages during startkde? |
| 15:43.00 | nanok | what error?.. |
| 15:43.01 | madclicker | mwilson: i love you too :) |
| 15:43.11 | Tolotos | what may i do when i have a system with amd64 cpu runnig? can i install debian? |
| 15:43.19 | berzerka | eXCaLiBuR is spamming porn. can someone ban him? |
| 15:43.20 | stevewpi | xoz: it has a lot of ENOENTs |
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| 15:43.31 | xoz | madclicker: clue... have you been to the north pole... everything there is freezing.. so is sarge |
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| 15:44.01 | mwilson | xoz: He thinks a stable release continues to receive new packages. |
| 15:44.03 | xoz | stevewpi: try to check the last messages before it borks |
| 15:44.12 | xoz | mwilson: haha |
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| 15:44.13 | Steven_ | eXCaLiBuR is spamming about porn videos |
| 15:44.24 | Steven_ | heh :) |
| 15:44.24 | jethro | !topicsmite Steven_ |
| 15:44.24 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Steven_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:44.25 | berzerka | thx |
| 15:44.35 | Trewas | mborohovski: sarge has fairly old 2.6 kernel, some newer one might have better support |
| 15:44.39 | madclicker | xoz: clue received. BTW am a dear in the headlights when it comes to Debian. Don't really know how it is stuctured on releasing |
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| 15:44.59 | stevewpi | xoz: no such thing, it borks at the get go but plunges forward anyway and then loops kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server |
| 15:45.17 | Steven_ | jethro : which part of the topic specifically ? |
| 15:45.24 | mwilson | madclicker: Unless you believe in magic, a Debian release works pretty much the same as any other distribution. |
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| 15:45.33 | stevewpi | xoz: the first message and sign of trouble is xsetroot: unable to open display '' |
| 15:45.39 | xoz | stevewpi: i think your problem is not kde/gnome... it's about X? |
| 15:45.48 | mwilson | madclicker: It's a little hard to alter CD's and the like without magic. |
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| 15:45.55 | xoz | stevewpi: make sure there is no other X running |
| 15:45.58 | stevewpi | I was thinking the same, and yet window maker is ok |
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| 15:46.29 | stevewpi | xoz: nope just the usual daemons |
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| 15:46.49 | madclicker | mwilson: i was following fedora, and ususally they freez RC 1,2,3 and then after stable or release all is good |
| 15:46.55 | nanok | mborohovski: what i would do at this point, would be to boot a livecd (knoppix is fine if it is working), investigate further, download the latest knoppix if no joy with the old one.. |
| 15:47.04 | xoz | stevewpi: i think you should try fluxbox/xfce to make sure it's not just a special case in wmaker. |
| 15:47.06 | mwilson | madclicker: And how is that relevant? |
| 15:47.20 | nanok | couse at this point, there is really no information for you/us to go on... |
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| 15:47.25 | madclicker | mwilson: ignore me |
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| 15:47.41 | nanok | oh, and also, i would buy an ibm or smth, not a sony :P |
| 15:47.50 | nanok | but this is besides the point i guess ... |
| 15:47.55 | xoz | stevewpi: apt-get install xfce .. then startxfce |
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| 15:48.05 | ivalladt | my new laptop has an ethernet and a wireless network device, I'd like the wireless interface to go up only if ethernet is disconnected, i.e. if it doesn't receive a dhcp offer, any pointers on how to configure /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:48.19 | xrgtn_ | what's the easiest way to add custom dependency on `uname -r`-kind package during pkg build? |
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| 15:48.42 | jethro | Steven_: my bad, it's been removed |
| 15:48.44 | xrgtn_ | is there anything relevant in debhelper? |
| 15:48.44 | stevewpi | xoz: onyl xfce4 was available doing that |
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| 15:49.03 | jethro | Steven_: the topic used to mention the use of /umode +E to avoid on join spam |
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| 15:49.23 | bob2 | xrgtn_: depending on the kernel of the machine you're building on is a terrible idea |
| 15:49.24 | Steven_ | jethro : oh :) |
| 15:49.27 | bob2 | so debhelper is not going to support it |
| 15:49.34 | xoz | stevewpi: don't run as root, ok? |
| 15:49.45 | xrgtn_ | bob2: smth like /usr/src/modules infrastructure |
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| 15:50.03 | xrgtn_ | bob2: I need this dep anyway -- I'm packaging NIST Net |
| 15:50.06 | bob2 | look at modules-assitent |
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| 15:50.11 | xrgtn_ | and it contains kernel modules |
| 15:50.14 | bob2 | I don't know what that is |
| 15:50.19 | bob2 | then you package the source |
| 15:50.35 | xrgtn_ | pre-NETEM network impairments emulator |
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| 15:50.55 | bob2 | xrgtn_: are you intending for this to go into debian? |
| 15:51.23 | xrgtn_ | bob2: currently not, because I'm not a registered DEbian developer |
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| 15:51.30 | bob2 | you don't have to be |
| 15:51.49 | xrgtn_ | but I have nothing against making the build public |
| 15:51.51 | bob2 | anyway, if you want it to be useful, you can't make it care about the running kernel |
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| 15:52.22 | xrgtn_ | bob2: best way is to split nistnet |
| 15:52.39 | bob2 | no, I mean, the module package shouldn't depend on the running kernel either |
| 15:52.41 | xrgtn_ | into nistnet-bin and nistnet-modules, but I don't have enough tie for this |
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| 15:53.04 | xrgtn_ | bob2: source won't depend on specific kernver |
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| 15:53.10 | bob2 | ok |
| 15:53.14 | xrgtn_ | only the pkg built will |
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| 15:53.17 | bob2 | module-assistant is something to look at |
| 15:53.21 | bob2 | (ok, sorry, I was confused) |
| 15:53.32 | stevewpi | xoz: startxfce4 works great, its cute like a nicer version of CDE |
| 15:53.42 | Spec | Where are the archives of debs of older versions of programs? |
| 15:53.48 | bob2 | snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:53.53 | Spec | ah, thanks |
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| 15:54.05 | xoz | stevewpi: maybe you should stick with these light wm instead of gnome/kde |
| 15:54.14 | xoz | *wms |
| 15:54.24 | xrgtn_ | bob2: thanks, I'm looking at module-assistant |
| 15:55.00 | xoz | stevewpi: try running konqueror while in xfce ... check if dcopserver complains |
| 15:55.09 | stevewpi | xoz: well unfortunately its ultimately not for me and I really need a more user friendly desktop environment.. and I'm somewhat alarmed as this was the result of a non-messed-around-with tasksel install of the desktop environment |
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| 15:55.36 | stevewpi | xoz: .. of released 3.1 |
| 15:55.36 | vipersniper | i tried "dpkg-reconfigure ssh" so i could stop ssh from starting on startup, but it does not work |
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| 15:55.58 | whm | May I know the relationship between Tcl and Tk??? |
| 15:55.59 | bob2 | vipersniper: "does not work" = ? |
| 15:56.06 | xoz | stevewpi: probable missing deps? but you should check why there is xsetroot error not being able to connect to X when running startkde |
| 15:56.08 | mwilson | vipersniper: Except that it does, of course. |
| 15:56.13 | jethro | vipersniper: update-rc.d -f ssh remove |
| 15:56.36 | cinix | viper, creat the file /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 15:57.06 | stevewpi | xoz: yeah the weird thing is that gnome worked for two days.. I only installed firefox and gaim on top of it and didn't dick around too much |
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| 15:57.59 | xoz | stevewpi: can you run gnome-* stuffs in xfce? like gnome-control-center? |
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| 15:58.24 | Anthro | What does one do about a showstopper bug that needs to be sent upstream, but the package maintainer hasn't even looked at? |
| 15:58.42 | martinja | for a new guy for temporary time, should I use kmyfirewall or webmin-firewall |
| 15:58.43 | bob2 | contact the upstream develoepr yourself |
| 15:58.45 | xrgtn_ | BTW, how is ${misc:Depends} expected to work? |
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| 15:58.50 | Lee__ | what's the name of the utility/program to make custom interactive menus for configuring .deb packages? |
| 15:59.02 | bob2 | xrgtn_: I've never seen it do anything useful |
| 15:59.04 | bob2 | Lee__: debconf |
| 15:59.06 | xoz | martinja: guarddog |
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| 15:59.42 | martinja | xoz : that prog will edit the iptables right? Not install a nother firewall? |
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| 16:00.18 | xoz | martinja: yep... very easy to configure. and you want a router/NAT, try guidedog |
| 16:00.36 | stevewpi | xoz: gnome-control-center hangs but gnome-character-map/calculator/about all work |
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| 16:00.59 | Gargoyle | If I know my monitor can do xyz resolution, what file can I edit to make it show up as an option in the screen res utility? |
| 16:01.03 | xoz | stevewpi: what about kcontrol |
| 16:01.04 | martinja | xoz thx for the tips |
| 16:01.18 | mwilson | "the screen res utility"? |
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| 16:01.41 | Gargoyle | aplications->prefs->screen res from the gnome menu! |
| 16:01.51 | martinja | xoz is the guidedog a joke? |
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| 16:02.05 | xoz | !info guidedog |
| 16:02.06 | stevewpi | xoz: kcontrol: cannot create qpixmap when no gui is being used |
| 16:02.07 | dpkg | guidedog: (NAT/masquerading/port-forwarding configuration tool for KDE), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 123 kB, Installed size: 440 kB |
| 16:02.19 | xoz | martinja: ^ |
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| 16:02.23 | JediMaster | anyone know how to fix what seems to be a corrupt mailbox without deleting all the emails? |
| 16:02.36 | martinja | xoz : guarddog, ok. but then guidedog: sounds like a joke |
| 16:02.40 | xoz | stevewpi: that's not a grave problem |
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| 16:02.53 | xoz | martinja: nice naming :) |
| 16:02.53 | JediMaster | the mail client seems to download some emails then stops on the same one each time, from different machines too |
| 16:03.07 | stevewpi | xoz: well no window appears |
| 16:03.09 | xoz | martinja: it guides packet where to go |
| 16:03.09 | martinja | xoz: ye |
| 16:03.15 | martinja | xoz thx |
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| 16:03.23 | martinja | ok what about a good proxy? |
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| 16:03.41 | xoz | stevewpi: what about konqueror? what's the error? |
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| 16:04.19 | sweetums | when I apt-get update I get a 404 for the testing/non-US/main using non-us.debian.org .. it this because of the sarge release? |
| 16:04.25 | vipersniper | can i use dplg-reconfigure to stop ssh from starting at bootup |
| 16:04.26 | bob2 | so |
| 16:04.32 | Hamselv | whats up with that ? |
| 16:04.32 | bob2 | you guys need to read the channel topic |
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| 16:04.42 | vipersniper | *dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 16:04.47 | kn0t | -away |
| 16:04.48 | bob2 | Hamselv: sweetums all the way to the end |
| 16:04.52 | bob2 | vipersniper: yes |
| 16:04.53 | kn0t | sorry |
| 16:04.55 | stevewpi | xoz: konqueror comes right up |
| 16:05.17 | xoz | stevewpi: kcontrol should also work. |
| 16:05.21 | martinja | is apache + mod_proxy+ssl a good https proxy? |
| 16:05.29 | vipersniper | i type 'dpkg-reconfigure ssh' and nothing happens |
| 16:05.42 | vipersniper | it worked before |
| 16:05.44 | stevewpi | xoz: nope prints that error and then sits with no window open |
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| 16:06.02 | bob2 | vipersniper: are you using unstable? |
| 16:06.04 | stevewpi | xoz: same for gnome-control-center jsut sits with no window open |
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| 16:06.07 | bob2 | !+info openssh-server unstable |
| 16:06.12 | dpkg | openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.1p1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 264 kB, Installed size: 540 kB |
| 16:06.13 | sweetums | bob2: sorry... is Hamselv a bot? |
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| 16:06.18 | fas3r | hi all |
| 16:06.27 | Hamselv | sweetums: no! |
| 16:06.29 | bob2 | sweetums: no, I was telling you to read the channel topic to find out what the deal with non-us is |
| 16:06.29 | Hamselv | Im not |
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| 16:06.49 | sweetums | hamselv: bob2: thanks... |
| 16:06.54 | xoz | stevewpi: are you sure you have pure sarge? tried apt-get update and upgrade? |
| 16:07.01 | stevewpi | check |
| 16:07.11 | stevewpi | tried a dist-upgrade 0 packages to do anything to |
| 16:07.27 | stevewpi | xoz: oops sorry forget the xoz: |
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| 16:08.14 | cdc | i am using Sarge and i ve configured ALSA but i am still unable to use the sound mixer on the desktop |
| 16:08.19 | cdc | could anyone help me pls? |
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| 16:08.36 | xoz | cdc: tried alsaconf? |
| 16:08.37 | bob2 | are you in the audio group? |
| 16:08.45 | bob2 | alaconf is basically useless |
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| 16:08.53 | martinja | cdc what kernel are you on? |
| 16:09.09 | Anthro | Easiest bug workaround ever: switch fetchmail from using IMAPS to SPOP. |
| 16:09.11 | stevewpi | cdc: I had to install setmixer before it worked in gnome but I am a n00b when it comes to X stuff |
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| 16:09.21 | martinja | I had the problem before and had to get synaptic to install some alsa for my 2.4 kernel |
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| 16:09.33 | cdc | 2.6.8-2 |
| 16:09.34 | xoz | what happened to alsaconf? stopped the maintenance? |
| 16:09.42 | cdc | Linux debian 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:09.57 | martinja | do you have synaptic or what not? |
| 16:10.01 | cdc | yes |
| 16:10.07 | cdc | i am installing setmixer |
| 16:10.09 | cdc | now |
| 16:10.11 | martinja | ok |
| 16:10.16 | cdc | and an other problem |
| 16:10.22 | bob2 | xoz: what did it ever do? |
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| 16:10.30 | bob2 | xoz: hotplug should just load the alsa module for you |
| 16:10.43 | Eulex | I've got a question: Is it possible to change the kde widget theme without running kde? |
| 16:10.58 | cahoot | bob2: doesn't alsaconf fix the oss emulation? |
| 16:11.06 | xoz | bob2: hotplug is overkill.. loading unnecessary modules |
| 16:11.07 | bob2 | what's there to fix? |
| 16:11.07 | stevewpi | xoz: so I'm pretty confident its pure and like I said I didn't do the install until after sarge was released even |
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| 16:11.11 | bob2 | xoz: for example? |
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| 16:11.48 | cahoot | bob2: i e create aliases in modprobe.d |
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| 16:12.02 | xoz | bob2: lsmod ... got a lot of things that i do not need |
| 16:12.21 | bob2 | xoz: for example? |
| 16:12.24 | martinja | cdc what is the 2nd problem? |
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| 16:12.28 | Eulex | heh, my question was pretty off-topic... sorry |
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| 16:13.55 | Empty | Hey all, I have a fun quandary in my lap. We are taking over SMTP for a domain (an isp) but not pop3 or imap (or local delivery for that matter but that is figured out already). I need some reliable way to forward some arbitrary port on a Sarg box to 110 on their box, and it has to scale well |
| 16:13.59 | xoz | bob2: usb mods that i am not using right now |
| 16:14.15 | bob2 | xoz: for example? |
| 16:14.19 | bob2 | Empty: iptables |
| 16:14.22 | Empty | actually woody come to think of it, my sarge image is not yet stable for this cluster |
| 16:14.49 | mikaEL` | is there an app like Nero CD/DVD speed in Debian ?? |
| 16:14.53 | Empty | bob2, so I can use iptables to do this without recompiling my kernel in all likelyhood? |
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| 16:15.04 | DoppelGanger | mikaEL`: ask google |
| 16:15.08 | xoz | bob2: sd_mod, usb-storage |
| 16:15.11 | tarzeau | mikaEL`: cdrecord/cdrdao? |
| 16:15.17 | tarzeau | mikaEL`: and mkisofs |
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| 16:15.29 | quiet | so now that sarge is stable.. what's the new name for testing? |
| 16:15.35 | mikaEL` | tarzeau: I mean CD testing |
| 16:15.35 | Eulex | mikaEL: k3b/gnomebaker? |
| 16:15.39 | DoppelGanger | quiet: debian.org |
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| 16:15.45 | bob2 | Empty: of course |
| 16:15.48 | tarzeau | mikaEL`: like what? readcd ? |
| 16:15.55 | bob2 | xoz: wow, a whole 100KB of ram, gone |
| 16:15.55 | xoz | bob2: ext3 |
| 16:16.02 | stelki | Could anybody tell me how I can get those packages that doesnt apply with debian license, in apt? |
| 16:16.03 | Empty | bob2, OK awesome, thanks. |
| 16:16.11 | mikaEL` | tarzeau: no I mean Surface/File scan... transfer rate ... |
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| 16:16.12 | quiet | ah.. etch... neat... thanks Doppl |
| 16:16.14 | DoppelGanger | bob2: sometimes a 100kb can be alot oh ram |
| 16:16.17 | Eulex | stelki: which of them? |
| 16:16.19 | DoppelGanger | quiet: np |
| 16:16.22 | tarzeau | mikaEL`: yes , readcd |
| 16:16.28 | tarzeau | mikaEL`: www.linuks.mine.nu/readcd/ |
| 16:16.29 | tarzeau | no |
| 16:16.32 | tarzeau | mikaEL`: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ |
| 16:16.35 | bob2 | DoppelGanger: on what? a commodore 64? |
| 16:16.36 | xoz | ext3 is huge |
| 16:16.41 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 16:16.42 | stelki | Eulex, not sure, I remember somebody told me I could add it to /etc/apt/sources.list.. |
| 16:16.45 | mikaEL` | thanx tarzeau |
| 16:16.47 | cdc | has anyone faced this problem ? |
| 16:16.47 | cdc | i am using Firefox when i right click on a link and i get the menu which has got options like Open Link in a new tab and others when i move the cursor over a particular option i get a white line over that option the wordings on the option is not visible |
| 16:16.48 | Eulex | stelki: apt-get.org is a good source for inofficial apt repositories |
| 16:16.49 | xoz | bob2: ext3 is huge |
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| 16:17.06 | teknoprep | hi all |
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| 16:17.09 | bob2 | xoz: then unload it |
| 16:17.10 | stelki | Eulex, cool will look it up, thanks |
| 16:17.13 | bob2 | xoz: hotplug didn't load it |
| 16:17.13 | teknoprep | i am having a problem starting dhcp server |
| 16:17.14 | xoz | bob2: condering that my transmeta runs in 256MB |
| 16:17.24 | DoppelGanger | xoz: are you using an ext3 file system |
| 16:17.27 | Eulex | stelki: yes, you add a couple of lines to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:17.27 | teknoprep | /etc/init.d/dhcpd start says this |
| 16:17.30 | xoz | DoppelGanger: reiser |
| 16:17.36 | bob2 | teknoprep: you know you have to configure it, right? |
| 16:17.41 | teknoprep | tarting DHCP server: dhcpd failed to start - check syslog for diagnostics. |
| 16:17.42 | teknoprep | yes |
| 16:17.44 | craigevil | cdc: sounds like a bad extension try starting fx in safe mode |
| 16:17.46 | teknoprep | i will show you my config |
| 16:17.52 | teknoprep | on paste.bin |
| 16:18.01 | DoppelGanger | xoz: seriously if your worrying about kernel modules i suggest you do a custom compile |
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| 16:18.07 | lewis | does exim4 get its $sender_address from the received header? |
| 16:18.08 | teknoprep | where does the config go bob2 |
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| 16:18.14 | teknoprep | i may not be putting it in the right place for debain |
| 16:18.19 | teknoprep | i have it in /etc/dhcpd.conf |
| 16:18.23 | bob2 | teknoprep: er |
| 16:18.30 | bob2 | teknoprep: look where the package put it |
| 16:18.31 | cdc | craigevil, but this does not happen in KDE ? |
| 16:18.36 | cockroach | i have a problem with my matrox (g550) card: as soon as i try to switch to a 640x480 or 800x600 resolution, my screen complains about "Video mode not supported". I know this used to work with the exact same hardware but I haven't switched mode for a couple of months so I have no idea when it broke. How could I possibly debug this? The video modes in the X server's logs correspond to those in the screen's manual, off by very little (53.7 |
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| 16:18.44 | teknoprep | bob2 i just wrote my own there |
| 16:18.48 | stelki | Eulex, ok :) |
| 16:18.53 | xoz | DoppelGanger: not really. i just thought that hotplug replacing alsaconf is overkill. just my opinion. |
| 16:19.08 | Lee__ | cockroach: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 16:19.08 | bob2 | teknoprep: so, look where the package put it |
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| 16:19.12 | teknoprep | how |
| 16:19.15 | craigevil | cdc: so it only happens in what Gnome? |
| 16:19.23 | teknoprep | useing locate |
| 16:19.24 | cockroach | Lee__: tried that. didn't even touch the conf file :( |
| 16:19.25 | bob2 | teknoprep: find /etc/ -name "*dhcp*" |
| 16:19.32 | teknoprep | yeah thought so |
| 16:19.40 | cdc | craigevil, got it solved. It was a theme problem just changed to an other theme and problem vanished :-) |
| 16:19.47 | teknoprep | i thought apt-get may have hada command to find installation fo files and there locations |
| 16:19.48 | DoppelGanger | eh |
| 16:19.49 | craigevil | cdc: try fiefox -safe-mode |
| 16:19.50 | cdc | craigevil, u use gnome or KDE? |
| 16:19.58 | _Genghis | is there a way to enable the ipv6 stack without having to recompile the entire kernel en having to reboot? |
| 16:20.06 | craigevil | icewm and/or KDE |
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| 16:21.29 | quiet | are there net-inst discs for etch yet? |
| 16:21.31 | Ath|oN | can anyone name a good webmail program to setup an email server at my server? |
| 16:21.38 | Vantage__ | anyone here familiar with setting up virtual domains in drupal with the package in sarge? |
| 16:21.48 | Empty | Ath|oN, I am fond of squirrelmail |
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| 16:22.05 | mwilson | quiet: Is there a reason for there to be? |
| 16:22.14 | teknoprep | heh |
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| 16:22.20 | teknoprep | bob2 yeah its the right location |
| 16:22.32 | Ath|oN | Empty: Me too. What else do i need to setup the mail server? |
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| 16:22.48 | quiet | mwilson, umm..to not waste time by installing and then re-installing everything to a newer version? |
| 16:23.02 | elllegao | is gnome unstability fixed in sid? |
| 16:23.03 | Empty | Ath|oN, you need some MTA to send mail, apache and php obviously,m and some kind of IMAP server |
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| 16:23.45 | Empty | Ath|oN, I use courier-imap but YMMV |
| 16:23.45 | Ath|oN | Empty: Got apache, php, sendmail.....Whats MTA ? |
| 16:24.05 | Empty | Ath|oN, sendmail = MTA = mail transport agent |
| 16:24.11 | black13 | doesnt every debian package have a listing of all the files that it contains |
| 16:24.19 | cdc | you guys use Gnome ? |
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| 16:24.23 | DoppelGanger | no |
| 16:24.23 | black13 | and this can be queried |
| 16:24.30 | DoppelGanger | i use a towel |
| 16:24.32 | craigevil | Debian -- Debian-Installer Ports Status |
| 16:24.32 | craigevil | http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 16:24.34 | xoz | black13: man dpkg |
| 16:24.43 | cdc | is Gnome really good ? |
| 16:24.48 | Phated | black13: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 16:25.00 | Phated | black13: If a package is installed. |
| 16:25.03 | Ath|oN | Empty: ok i got the MTA too. Now whats with the IMAP ? |
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| 16:25.12 | DoppelGanger | cdc: each user has his/her own preferences |
| 16:25.15 | black13 | Phated, xoz, thanks |
| 16:25.21 | DoppelGanger | no one can tell you whts good or not |
| 16:25.26 | Eulex | cdc: I've heard that gnome 2.10 rocks... from a few people... but 2.10 is not in debian yet, afaik |
| 16:25.27 | Empty | Ath|oN, IMAP is how squirrelmail checks the mailbox behind the scenes, stores folders, etc |
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| 16:25.37 | teknoprep | bob2 i got it |
| 16:25.38 | teknoprep | w0ot |
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| 16:26.08 | craigevil | GNOME 2.10 pending packages |
| 16:26.08 | craigevil | deb http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/debian/ experimental main |
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| 16:26.43 | gnube | exim4 -bt is telling me that it cannot route to a local user |
| 16:26.48 | gnube | that is not very nice. |
| 16:26.50 | Anynomous | OK .. how do you revive the MBR? |
| 16:26.52 | cdc | Eulex, what do u use ? |
| 16:26.55 | Eulex | cdc: but because it's big, it's resource-hogging... I'm using fluxbox now, because it uses as little memory as possible on this old computer which only has 64mb ram |
| 16:26.55 | Ath|oN | Empty: So which IMAP server do i get? |
| 16:26.59 | Anynomous | With GRUB |
| 16:27.19 | Eulex | cdc: I'd like to use xfce, but fluxbox is faster, because it uses less memory |
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| 16:27.36 | Anynomous | I tried "grub-install hd0" but it complains about "stage1" not loading correctly ... |
| 16:27.40 | black13 | cdc, centers for disease control? |
| 16:27.56 | Anynomous | black13 : No, silly. |
| 16:28.01 | cdc | Eulex, i am using Gnome 2.8 currently . I have been a KDE user but today thought of trying Gnome and tried i like it really :-) |
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| 16:28.10 | Anynomous | black13 : COWS for desease control, of course! |
| 16:28.23 | craigevil | iceWM is really fast and uses very little ram |
| 16:28.38 | black13 | heh, i have driven buy the cdc the same one that is mentioned "the stand" |
| 16:28.45 | Anynomous | cdc : Go back to KDE, you wont like GNOME in the long run. |
| 16:28.57 | cockroach | Lee__: didn't help. still the same problem. |
| 16:29.15 | elllegao | Anynomous: not rue, gnome rocks |
| 16:29.21 | craigevil | ran gnome for 1 day went back to KDE |
| 16:29.29 | cockroach | yay, wm war! |
| 16:29.32 | craigevil | the big icons on the desktop r the killer |
| 16:29.34 | Anynomous | elllegao : Maybe I am spoiled .. I usually use WindowMaker. |
| 16:29.44 | Lee__ | cockroach: if you press ctrl + alt + numpad plus what happens? |
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| 16:30.01 | Lee__ | !start a wm war |
| 16:30.01 | dpkg | blackbox bites! |
| 16:30.12 | elllegao | Anynomous: i use wmaker, fluxbox and blacbox, afterstep rocks too |
| 16:30.21 | Anynomous | Lee__ If you fill a glas of water, and tip it right over your head ... are you happy it wasn't acorn syrup? |
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| 16:30.43 | Lee__ | !annoy Anynomous |
| 16:30.49 | cockroach | Lee__: i get "Video mode not supported". The third time I do that I get back to 1280x1024 and everything is fine again :) |
| 16:30.53 | Anynomous | !comfort Lee__ |
| 16:30.54 | bobbens | !irritate Anynomous |
| 16:30.55 | dpkg | There, there, Lee__. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 16:30.56 | dpkg | Anynomous: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome thx |
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| 16:31.13 | craigevil | ctrl+alt+ + makes everything REALLY big |
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| 16:31.35 | cockroach | :) |
| 16:31.36 | Azar | :) good day |
| 16:31.37 | gnube | no exim freaks here? |
| 16:31.58 | Anynomous | !help Anynomous |
| 16:32.00 | cdc | Gnome rocks :-) |
| 16:32.06 | cdc | better than KDE :-) |
| 16:32.07 | Lee__ | cockroach: that is very strange. you can try messing with the refresh rate in the config file. |
| 16:32.08 | Anynomous | !freak gnube |
| 16:32.14 | craigevil | xfm is a cool file manager |
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| 16:32.26 | cockroach | Lee__: I did. I set them to the exact values from the screen's manual but that didn't help either. |
| 16:32.30 | elllegao | Gnome rocks, yes (&\&) |
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| 16:33.08 | craigevil | Linux and Firefox together Rock. |
| 16:33.13 | makaveli | is there anyway to boot into gnome from a live cd? |
| 16:33.20 | Lee__ | cockroach: when I have display problems I can't figure out I boot from a Knoppix CD and copy the X config file to the system on the hard disk. Ghetto, but it works alright. |
| 16:33.20 | Anynomous | OK .. I am sorry if I annoy the urine out of everyone .. but I really want to suck up this GRUB problem ... how come people say GRUB is betta than LILO, when you can't even make it install on the MBR of the darn HD? |
| 16:33.20 | Eulex | I don't like xffm... I'm staying tuned for thunar... |
| 16:33.25 | cdc | elllegao, the Desktop looks clean and perfect !!! with a green desktop background KDE apps could have been better but Gnome apps are really amazing |
| 16:33.33 | cockroach | Lee__: heh, nice idea. I'll try that. |
| 16:33.36 | zink | help : installed ubuntu having never used debian but want to use debian repository to get transcode, Where are the official debian repositories? |
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| 16:33.47 | mwilson | zink: You don't want to do that. |
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| 16:34.02 | Lee__ | Anynomous: Grub is nice because you can edit the configuration on the fly and it does tab completion. |
| 16:34.14 | Anynomous | Lee__ : Yeah .. thats cool |
| 16:34.25 | Anynomous | Lee__ But how do I get it on the darn MBR? |
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| 16:34.41 | Lee__ | Anynomous: that's a question the installer should have asked you. |
| 16:34.43 | cdc | where can i download Gnome themes |
| 16:34.50 | quiet | cdc, gnome-look.org |
| 16:35.00 | thingfish | art.gnome.org |
| 16:35.04 | Anynomous | Lee__ : Somebody was evil enough to install w32XPSP2 on this box .. and that freaked the MBR.. |
| 16:35.07 | zink | mwilson: ok - but I do awant to get transcode.. |
| 16:35.30 | forced | Anynomous: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=975 <- First google result that shows you how. |
| 16:35.33 | makaveli | how would i boot into gnome from a gentoo live cd? |
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| 16:35.44 | Lee__ | Anynomous: ah yes, Windows dominates the bootloader if installed second. You'll have to reinstall Grub. I believe the man page has info for installing it in the MBR. |
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| 16:35.47 | craigevil | Official Debian mirrors http://www.nl.debian.org/mirror/official |
| 16:36.00 | Anynomous | Lee__ : Du irst dich |
| 16:36.06 | bobbens | makaveli: i dont think the gentoo live cd has gnome |
| 16:36.15 | crylyx | i know its offtopic. but this is the channel which comes closest to my problem since im using debian: when i run UnrealTournament the game freezes when trying to browse online gameservers, after killing the application and a few seconds waiting, the xserver crashes too. no error messages in /var/log. the game worked perfectly before and (afaik) i did not make any system changes before the game started making that problem. reinstalling nvidia drive |
| 16:36.20 | Lee__ | Anynomous: IIRC it's called (hdx) where "x" is the disk in question starting at zero. |
| 16:36.45 | Lee__ | !de |
| 16:36.45 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 16:36.53 | makaveli | bobbens: i believe it uses gnome but the thing is i don't know how to get into my system to do a dd command and than e-mail it to myself |
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| 16:37.16 | forced | Anynomous, Basically run 'grub', type "root (hd#,#)\nsetup (hd#)\nquit" ... |
| 16:37.17 | xoz | Anynomous: use the install cd and type rescue root=/dev/<rootdisk> and grub-install /dev/hda |
| 16:37.18 | mwilson | crylyx: What *did* you do between the game working and not working? |
| 16:37.24 | DoppelGanger | makaveli: no it doesn't use gnome |
| 16:37.28 | forced | Or use grub-install, heh. |
| 16:37.38 | DoppelGanger | and tht plan of yours makes no sense |
| 16:37.50 | xoz | Anynomous: at bootprompt... to mount your root for access to grub |
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| 16:38.00 | bobbens | makaveli: mmm i thought it didnt have gnome and was console only, could be, see if there is any xorg file on the cd |
| 16:38.11 | crylyx | mwilson: nothing except playing (without problems), sleeping, and running the game again - then it freezed |
| 16:38.40 | mwilson | crylyx: No software changes whatsoever, huh? |
| 16:38.53 | crylyx | mwilson: no |
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| 16:39.23 | DoppelGanger | bobbens: you are correct gentoo install cd is console/ncurses based |
| 16:39.28 | DoppelGanger | he must mean vidalinux |
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| 16:39.37 | DoppelGanger | or some derivation |
| 16:39.42 | makaveli | DoppelGanger: i had to zero out my harddrive i was duall booting with windows xp and now i am trying to reinstall i was using windows bootloader to boot linux and i have to make a bootsect.lnx to do that. The backup copy of my linux patitions goes back fine except becuase it is in a different part of the memory the old bootsect.lnx won't work the only way that i can get a new bootsect.lnx to my windows partition is to e-mail it t |
| 16:39.46 | zumbi | [OT] somebody knows what to do in a phising case ? i get phising e-mails and i usually tell to the net admin, but i'm getting tired of it.. do you know if there any way to fight phising ? |
| 16:39.53 | Paganist | Question about NFS if i am connected to an NFS server and it goes down. How much time will it take to timeout and how will i see it... can i see it automaticaly ? like for example checking a file with a script called by cron ? |
| 16:40.20 | crylyx | DoppelGanger: a gentoo installation does not show ncurses |
| 16:40.27 | DoppelGanger | crylyx: it can |
| 16:40.33 | DoppelGanger | makaveli: hows your grub and lilo skills |
| 16:40.36 | xoz | Paganist: it will wait for the server forever |
| 16:40.38 | Anynomous | I got it. Thanks xoz, forced and Lee___ |
| 16:40.40 | bobbens | DoppelGanger: thought so, i have it and used it a few times and it never booted into X like knoppix or gnoppix |
| 16:40.43 | crylyx | DoppelGanger: in which situation? |
| 16:40.54 | Anynomous | the link forced gave me was good .. I want your google, forced. :-P |
| 16:40.56 | makaveli | DoppelGanger: not that good which is why i us nt's bootloader |
| 16:41.08 | DoppelGanger | crylyx: run an ncurses based program |
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| 16:41.28 | Anynomous | forced : I would have assumed it was Red Hat specific, if you hadn't given me the link. |
| 16:41.29 | DoppelGanger | brb |
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| 16:41.33 | Paganist | xoz: i would detect t o unmount and then redetect when the server is up again by a ping or similar and then remount |
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| 16:41.55 | mwilson | Paganist: How are you going to unmount it if the server is not responding? |
| 16:41.57 | Anynomous | ok |
| 16:41.58 | crylyx | DoppelGanger: thats unnecessary since you don't need it for the installation |
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| 16:42.10 | Anynomous | I guess I better get this box rebooted |
| 16:42.22 | Paganist | mwilson: that _is_ my problem |
| 16:42.33 | xoz | Paganist: no... the client will connect automatically when the server is alive again |
| 16:42.34 | Anynomous | I managed to boot using a grub disk that I got the owner of the vox to make before he jacked xp in. |
| 16:42.36 | makaveli | DoppelGanger: i used acronis true image to copy my linux partition and restore it now the old bootsect.lnx won't work and i have no way to get into the old linux partition i would like to keep using nt's bootloader though |
| 16:42.43 | mwilson | Paganist: Another question... why would you bother trying to unmount it? |
| 16:42.43 | Paganist | mwilson: or i have to mount and umount everytime i access the disk |
| 16:42.50 | Anynomous | s-vox-box- |
| 16:42.58 | crylyx | mwilson: any suggestion for my problem? |
| 16:43.02 | Paganist | mwilson: to be able to mount it again then |
| 16:43.12 | mwilson | Paganist: Why would you need to mount it again? |
| 16:43.12 | Paganist | i don't want it to stay in mtab |
| 16:43.26 | Paganist | mwilson: when the server goes back |
| 16:43.48 | Paganist | mwilson: to use it |
| 16:43.48 | mwilson | Paganist: The kernel is perfectly able to figure that out without any help from you. |
| 16:43.50 | Eulex | makaveli: I'd really suggest that you install grub... |
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| 16:44.13 | makaveli | Eulex: grub is installed it is just not installed into the mbr |
| 16:44.16 | mwilson | Paganist: You don't need to unmount and remount the server. |
| 16:44.25 | makaveli | windows nt boots grub which in turn boots linux |
| 16:44.26 | Paganist | mwilson: you mean if the server oes down and then back again after a fail of writing i don't have to bother about it ? |
| 16:44.32 | Eulex | in the mbr... |
| 16:44.33 | cockroach | Lee__: hrm, okay. apparently rebooting fixed it :) |
| 16:44.58 | makaveli | eulex: ntldr is in the mbr and then grub resides on /dev/hdc2 |
| 16:45.17 | mwilson | Paganist: What part of "it will wait for the server" did you not understand? |
| 16:45.38 | makaveli | eulex: if i can find some way to do the dd command and make a booksect.lnx and get it onto my windows partition it would solve all my problems |
| 16:45.38 | Paganist | mwilson: i just don't want it to hang taking all ressources |
| 16:45.47 | Paganist | mwilson: by trying and trying again |
| 16:45.55 | Eulex | and I'd suggest that you install grub on the mbr... |
| 16:46.03 | lewis | if www-data is in a received header from exim4, would it use that user when it replied? |
| 16:46.05 | mwilson | Paganist: What gave you the idea that it would take any measurable "resources" at all? |
| 16:46.28 | lewis | (oops - I meant, when it composed an autoreponse, using $sender_address) |
| 16:46.29 | mwilson | Paganist: or that YOU continually checking in user-space for the server was somehow better than the kernel doing it? |
| 16:47.01 | gnube | update-exim4..conf seems to leave behind no autogenerated file. |
| 16:47.04 | makaveli | eulex: i don't like grub for the reasoning that when it comes to booting up windows with certain parameters you can't do it with grub |
| 16:47.08 | Lee__ | lewis: if the http server sends an email it'll appear as the user the server is running as unless you specify otherwise. |
| 16:47.08 | Paganist | mwilson: i simply didn't know that is why i asked here |
| 16:47.40 | Lee__ | makaveli: my favorite way to boot up windows is on other people's computers. I recommend it to all my friends. |
| 16:47.43 | Paganist | mwilson: you don't have to be offensive because i don't know, i simply ask.... thanks for answering though |
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| 16:47.59 | Anynomous | failed to determine PATCHLEVEL! |
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| 16:48.00 | makaveli | lol |
| 16:48.06 | lewis | Lee__: I have the http server sending an e-mail, with a spoofed from address. The e-mail arrives fine at its destination, with the from address, as how I set it. The problem arises with autoresponders on the destination address. |
| 16:48.24 | Anynomous | nvidia problem |
| 16:48.25 | xoz | Paganist: NFS client assumes that the server will be back soon... it will wait forever and will not allow you to interrupt it until it is connectected again. |
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| 16:48.28 | makaveli | Lee__: i would get rid of windows but i need it for certain things at work |
| 16:48.30 | Anynomous | "failed to determine PATCHLEVEL!" |
| 16:48.32 | lewis | Lee__: when exim4 replies to the http-generated message, instead of replying to the from address, it replies to the www-data part. - Why? |
| 16:48.35 | Anynomous | help |
| 16:48.40 | Anynomous | please |
| 16:48.48 | Paganist | xoz: thank you |
| 16:48.52 | Anynomous | :-? |
| 16:49.13 | Anynomous | Someone, help me taint my kernel! |
| 16:49.15 | Lee__ | lewis: that's weird. I have no idea. sounds like it's parsing the header incorrectly. You'd have to look at the headers and logs to get a better idea of what's going on. |
| 16:49.16 | Anynomous | :-P |
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| 16:49.27 | Lee__ | !nvidia |
| 16:49.27 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 16:49.30 | lewis | Lee__: if I turn off the autoresponse, and read the full headers of the e-mail.... |
| 16:49.41 | Anynomous | lee: I am trying to use the one-liner. |
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| 16:49.46 | Anynomous | I get error |
| 16:49.58 | lewis | Lee__: the only mention of www-data I see is in the Received header, with 'from www-data...' - everywhere else has no mention of www-data |
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| 16:50.28 | lewis | Lee__: exim4's autoresponse is set to address the reply to $sender_address - which I would presume it would take from the 'from' part of the e-mail. |
| 16:50.48 | Eulex | anyway, I'm off again to the world of codiing... |
| 16:50.48 | Lee__ | lewis: but the machine can send email fine otherwise? |
| 16:51.00 | lewis | Lee__: yeh - it is. |
| 16:51.16 | Anynomous | I am on Sarge! |
| 16:51.17 | Lee__ | lewis: so it must be the script |
| 16:51.23 | cddesjar | when i open open office 1.1.3 instead of getting characters at the top (i.e. File, Edit, Help) I get blocks like 0000 |
| 16:51.27 | cddesjar | anyone know why? |
| 16:51.31 | intension | Anynomous ask about a deb package for nvidia |
| 16:51.45 | Lee__ | Anynomous: tainting your kernel is a dirty job. |
| 16:51.48 | Anynomous | intension : Shouldn't the one-liner work for me? |
| 16:52.06 | snail | cddesjar: do you have the correct localisations installed? |
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| 16:52.16 | cddesjar | snail: i'm not sure |
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| 16:52.18 | lewis | Lee__: but when I read the headers of the http-generated message I see only one mention of www-data, in Received header.... |
| 16:52.21 | Anynomous | I do not really understand the error 1. |
| 16:52.32 | cddesjar | snail: i installed open office this way...apt-get install open office |
| 16:52.33 | Anynomous | I just want help. |
| 16:52.37 | cheetah | meep :D |
| 16:52.54 | snail | cddesjar: you mean "apt-get install openoffice.org" ? |
| 16:53.09 | bigbill52a | how would i change my sources to testing....and would that cause problems? |
| 16:53.12 | Anynomous | if one-liner works not .. fine .. just tell me and I'll read all the boring feces. |
| 16:53.17 | lewis | Lee_: I am basically wanting to know, why exim4 is autoresponding to www-data, when the e-mail it is responding to has a valid from address, and there is no mention of www-data other than in the Received header. |
| 16:53.22 | cddesjar | snail: no i didn't do it that way. i did "apt-get install open office" |
| 16:53.31 | cheetah | snail, try "apt-cache search openoffice" |
| 16:53.31 | marstewel | is it a known issue that you can only create 10 software raids (RAID-1) with the installer? |
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| 16:54.12 | cddesjar | i don't get anything when i type apt-cache search openoffice |
| 16:54.23 | crylyx | im wondering that out of about 800 people no single person have a clue what could cause my problem... |
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| 16:54.37 | X-CRiPt51 | hi |
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| 16:54.59 | Lee__ | lewis: not sure. perhaps you have to modify your script to generat the correct To: header |
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| 16:55.13 | snail | cddesjar: i believe the command you want is: "apt-get install openoffice.org" |
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| 16:55.19 | Azar | crylyx ? |
| 16:55.27 | snail | cddesjar: are you running sarge? |
| 16:55.33 | cddesjar | yup |
| 16:55.37 | mwelsh | cddesjar: apt-get update, apt-cache search "openoffice", apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 16:55.41 | cahoot | crylyx: an unqualified guess - memory leak |
| 16:55.41 | crylyx | Azar: i posted my question above. didnt see it? |
| 16:55.52 | lewis | Lee__: surely you mean, from header? as that is what exim4 looks out when it goes to autoreply? |
| 16:55.52 | Azar | sorry crylyx, no. |
| 16:55.56 | crylyx | cahoot: no |
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| 16:56.05 | crylyx | cahoot: but thanks for response:) |
| 16:56.21 | snail | cddesjar: so am I and running "apt-get install open office" give me errors.... |
| 16:56.23 | bigbill52a | if my boot hangs would that be a problem with the kernel or the initscripts? |
| 16:56.32 | crylyx | Azar: ok there it goes again... |
| 16:56.46 | crylyx | i know its offtopic. but this is the channel which comes closest to my problem since im using debian: when i run UnrealTournament the game freezes when trying to browse online gameservers, after killing the application and a few seconds waiting, the xserver crashes too. no error messages in /var/log. the game worked perfectly before and (afaik) i did not make any system changes before the game started making that problem. reinstalling nvidia drive |
| 16:56.48 | snail | bigbill52a: what are the last messages ? |
| 16:56.50 | Lee__ | lewis: I get the feeling this has less to do with exim and more to do with the script that is calling it. |
| 16:56.53 | cddesjar | if i try to do apt-get install openoffice.org it tells me it's already installed and the newest version |
| 16:57.01 | thomas_adam | crylyx: Why don't you repeat that question some more? |
| 16:57.05 | gaspercat | can anyone help me please? I'm trying to install a debian sarge netinstall in a computer, but it only detects my primery ata hard drive (80 gb). I want to install it on the other hard drive, a sata 200gb hard drive, but the installer can't find it! :S I tried with the command "linux26" |
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| 16:57.22 | Lee__ | crylyx: speak to the company that makes UT about your issue. |
| 16:57.28 | cddesjar | i have a list of suggested packages to install but none of them seem like they would solve my problem |
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| 16:57.36 | gjaouen | hello, can someone tell where's the screen size parameter of the boot screen (username,password) ? |
| 16:57.37 | Azar | crylyx, the only thing I can think from the top of my head is that your bdrowser gets loaded with crap from gamesites then freezes |
| 16:57.41 | thomas_adam | crylyx: If it crashes, I am sure there would almost certainly be something logged somewhere. Look again, or try a different graphics card, or play a proper game such as moon-buggy. |
| 16:57.46 | crylyx | thomas_adam: i can but then i will get kicked. and im pasting it for those who didnt see |
| 16:57.50 | shingouz | k\o\w: you here? |
| 16:57.54 | Azar | many websites serve you with visible and invisible crap |
| 16:58.10 | Anynomous | I think maybe its a missing dependency? |
| 16:58.22 | faked | gaspercat: try expert26 and add the correct module for your sata-controller |
| 16:58.25 | thingfish | gaspercat: maybe others know differently, but if the installer doesn't see the drive, I don't think there's much you can do. |
| 16:58.28 | Azar | secondly, I only can think of your video card memory getting overloaded |
| 16:58.30 | crylyx | Lee__: the problem should be in the entire system. the game works perfect normally |
| 16:58.35 | zap_ | what happened to http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US, i.e. there is no testing (and unstable) directory any longer? |
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| 16:58.52 | marstewel | zap_: no longer non us neccessary |
| 16:58.54 | Anynomous | oh well |
| 16:58.56 | Anynomous | I give up |
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| 16:58.58 | gaspercat | «faked» i'll try :S |
| 16:59.01 | snail | zap_: there is no non-US any more |
| 16:59.05 | Anynomous | my friend will play ok in windows anyhow. |
| 16:59.08 | Eulex|DND | zap_: read the topic |
| 16:59.12 | Anynomous | thanks for the help on grub! |
| 16:59.23 | Anynomous | I'll probably be back another day! |
| 16:59.28 | Lee__ | crylyx: speak to the company that makes the product if the system runs normally except when you run the product, unless you can dig out some crash logs or debugging info. |
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| 16:59.53 | Azar | crylyx, how are you installing nvidia driver, from their site with their nvidia installer? |
| 16:59.59 | zap_ | marstewel,snail,Eulex|DND: interesting. any pointers where i can read why this is so? |
| 17:00.10 | crylyx | Azar: no, the debian way |
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| 17:00.14 | marstewel | zap_: i saw a document somewhere... |
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| 17:00.32 | marstewel | just a sec... |
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| 17:00.57 | crylyx | Azar: the strange thing is...i can play the game singleuser mode. but at the point i open the mulitplayer menu, a few seconds later the problem occurs |
| 17:01.01 | cddesjar | so when i open OO.org everything is fine except for the Headers(?) I guess...you know where it's like File, Edit, Help, and so on |
| 17:01.04 | zap_ | marstewel: thanks .. when did it happen (doing a usenet search) |
| 17:01.26 | Azar | crylyx, from my sincere heart, it is great that you are benchmarking your card with UT, something I do not dare not even with my newest PC on WinXP |
| 17:01.30 | J_P | people, i compile one new kernel and have this msg : "Kernel Panic VFS, Can not mount root file system". Bu I compile automounter [*] and file system ext3[*] and my hd sata [*]. Any idea ? |
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| 17:01.39 | crylyx | Azar: and btw. gentoo users don't use the official driver:) |
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| 17:01.48 | snail | zap_: google for it>? |
| 17:02.02 | zap_ | snail: this is what i am doing |
| 17:02.10 | Azar | crylyx try to watch your memory resources when you are doing that see if your memory holds at that option |
| 17:02.23 | crylyx | Azar: i never had problems running that game. i have a good card and the game is a piece of cake for my machine |
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| 17:02.48 | TNKS | Can someone help me better understand the difference between the support provided by the CONFIG_IDE kernel parameter and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE? |
| 17:02.48 | nanok | J_P: the mapping has changed? maybe you have your hdd as sda nowm instead of hde?.. |
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| 17:02.55 | snail | crylyx: if you have a good card, it'll ship with linux drivers ... |
| 17:02.56 | Azar | crylyx from what I hear from my friends online multiuser require a powerful machine |
| 17:03.11 | crylyx | Azar: i used to play the game on 64MB of RAM, now im using 256MB. do you still think about a memory problem? |
| 17:03.29 | crylyx | snail: thats another story... |
| 17:03.40 | zap_ | marstewel: ok i read about the reason |
| 17:03.46 | zap_ | marstewel: thanks for your efforts |
| 17:03.50 | marstewel | zap_: url? ;) |
| 17:03.51 | Azar | crylyx without one GB of memory I won't go near online gaming but hey, good for you to try and test |
| 17:04.02 | crylyx | snail: and btw. there are official drivers for that card. nvidia.com (which seems not to be recommended by debian) |
| 17:04.14 | marstewel | something abt crypthography law changes AFAIK |
| 17:04.25 | J_P | nanok: i not find this option in kernel, where is this option ? |
| 17:04.27 | marstewel | (export restriction or ...) |
| 17:04.30 | zap_ | marstewel: right (was a usenet posting .. nothing official) |
| 17:04.37 | snail | crylyx: no, it IS the story. you paid good money for a card that only pays lip service to linux. |
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| 17:04.40 | nanok | J_P: try to chnage your fstab to /dev/sda instead of hde/hdg or whatever, and tell lilo root=sda? |
| 17:04.41 | zap_ | marstewel: i was just curious about the reason behind |
| 17:04.49 | Azar | crylyx the beautiful nvidia drivers with those great installers are breaking the wonderful debian packages |
| 17:04.52 | nanok | J_P: it is not in the kernel, read above |
| 17:04.59 | J_P | nanok: yes, are sda.. |
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| 17:05.35 | J_P | nanok: but compatible mode hda or sda is one optino in BIOS and option are recognize as sda and not hda |
| 17:05.40 | crylyx | Azar: that's due to a breakable package system, not due to the drivers. and i have used back in days the official drivers, and nothing was broken on my system |
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| 17:06.44 | J_P | nanok: initrd meybe i need disable ? |
| 17:06.47 | john78 | hi, which is the best combination for word procesing without X, word processor + latex? But how can i previsualize it without X? Thanks buddies |
| 17:07.14 | nanok | J_P: no, have you read what i told you? |
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| 17:07.45 | nanok | J_P: figure out what is the name your new kernel calls your drive and make the needed changes.. |
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| 17:07.50 | alexander__ | hello all |
| 17:08.14 | FarrisG | Are there any therapy groups for debian people who want to use OM but can't revert to 2.4 kernels? :) |
| 17:08.21 | FarrisG | OM=openmosix |
| 17:08.50 | pack | yeah they are on alot of corners, they have pretty bottles and keno |
| 17:08.53 | J_P | nanok: system call as sda and grub are as sda too! |
| 17:09.08 | crylyx | FarrisG: there is one. #gentoo |
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| 17:09.29 | john78 | which is the best combination for word procesing without X, word processor + latex? But how can i previsualize it without X? Thanks buddies |
| 17:09.34 | FarrisG | crylyx: Yuck |
| 17:09.43 | nanok | J_P: and fstab? |
| 17:09.54 | J_P | nanok: too! |
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| 17:10.06 | pack | I think i'm getting stupider reading all this. |
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| 17:10.19 | alexander__ | i have a user in my system ive named shared, where i put all the shared files and mails... everything works fine, but i was tired of using ssh to access files and typing in passwords... what i did is just put a link to the dir in my desktop and changed all the shared files to 7764... i added the shared group to my user... but still dont have access to files??? any ideas plz? |
| 17:10.29 | cusco | does anyone here running sarge is also running amule ?!?! |
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| 17:10.59 | cfaun | I am considering using debian but I saw that there seems to be no recent version of an x server (xorg or xfree86 4.5) in the repository. Is it listed under something else that I overlooked or is this the case? Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 17:11.17 | john78 | which is the best combination for word procesing without X, word editor + latex? But how can i previsualize it without X? Thanks buddies |
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| 17:11.32 | alexander__ | it should be 7774 no? |
| 17:11.32 | nanok | J_P: and are you sure it is all in concordance with the way your kernel "maps" the devices? is it also pointing to the actual partition you have / on? (grub - "root=" and fstab that is..) |
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| 17:12.12 | J_P | nanok: yes! I am sure! |
| 17:12.16 | Azar | cafun no xorg in Debian at this moment , only the official xfree86-4 |
| 17:12.29 | alexander__ | thats it! thx |
| 17:12.32 | J_P | nanok: interesting.. becouse I am running one kernel default in sda.. i simple recompile one kernel.. |
| 17:12.33 | gnube | alexander__, are you talking about contacting a remote machine? |
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| 17:12.55 | J_P | nanok: o really copy config original kernel running.. and not work.. |
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| 17:13.07 | J_P | nanok: i go try get out initrd option |
| 17:13.18 | cfaun | Azar: okay; thanks |
| 17:13.27 | gnube | routing in exim4 is not working |
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| 17:13.36 | gnube | even after using debconf |
| 17:13.38 | john78 | bye guys |
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| 17:14.07 | gnube | has anyone had problems with exim4 after upgrading from exim3 or with sarge? |
| 17:14.09 | jetx | + |
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| 17:14.41 | pack | gnube: did you check the change log for config file changes? |
| 17:14.46 | valdyn | gnube: what's not working? exim4 certainly does not do 'routing' |
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| 17:15.02 | gnube | It does route mail messages |
| 17:15.14 | gnube | at least that is what the developers call it |
| 17:15.20 | paj | they changed the model between exim 3 and 4 |
| 17:15.33 | gnube | paj, Yeah they did. |
| 17:15.39 | paj | i /think/ directors now cover functionality of previous directors and routers |
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| 17:16.05 | gnube | well people on the mailing list from alioth who are developing it say look into routing |
| 17:16.15 | gnube | and I get a mess saying message not routable |
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| 17:16.22 | gnube | in anycase, mail is failing |
| 17:16.35 | gnube | and doing a exim4 -bt localuser |
| 17:16.45 | gnube | is producing an undeliverable message |
| 17:17.15 | paj | sorry, other way round, there's just routers now, directors were abolished |
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| 17:17.23 | gnube | no prob |
| 17:17.35 | gnube | either way it prefers not to work for me |
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| 17:17.57 | gnube | I ran debconf-reconfigure exim4.conf |
| 17:18.04 | gnube | and gave it lots of yummy info |
| 17:18.05 | valdyn | gnube: is your exim config highly customised? exim4-config might be a good way to start off a clean config |
| 17:18.07 | gnube | but no go |
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| 17:18.37 | gnube | valdyn, thanks for the advice - I will run that again but right now it is not producing a config file for some reason |
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| 17:18.47 | valdyn | gnube: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:18.55 | makaveli0129 | how do i get into my system from a live-cd? |
| 17:18.58 | valdyn | gnube: that is easy to explain. |
| 17:18.59 | gnube | valdyn, my config file can be plain vanilla |
| 17:19.08 | makaveli0129 | the system is installed on /dev/hdc2 |
| 17:19.12 | gnube | valdyn, Yep, I have done that a couple of times already |
| 17:19.12 | ledet | makaveli0129: mount your disks |
| 17:19.20 | Tru^Daemon | Hello, can somone give me a link that directly explains how sessions are created on linux systems |
| 17:19.23 | valdyn | gnube: you *manually* edited one of those files, dpkg-reconfigure is *not* allowed to edit manually adjusted config files. |
| 17:19.25 | gnube | valdyn, For some reason it is not working |
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| 17:19.32 | makaveli0129 | ledet: it is mount /dev/hdc2 and then / correct? |
| 17:19.33 | Tru^Daemon | or maybe an explaination how linux sessions exists... |
| 17:19.43 | ledet | makaveli0129: ? |
| 17:19.46 | paj | what's a linux session? |
| 17:19.47 | shingouz | makaveli0129: at the booprompt append root=/dev/hda2 |
| 17:20.05 | Tru^Daemon | like, when a user logs in... with /bin/login |
| 17:20.15 | Tru^Daemon | how does linux manage all those sessions |
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| 17:20.21 | makaveli0129 | shingouz: it didn't do anything |
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| 17:20.26 | gnube | valdyn, ahh - so re-run exim-config.conf then or . . . |
| 17:20.33 | Tru^Daemon | is it in file format, or memory... |
| 17:20.34 | paj | not sure of a link |
| 17:20.45 | valdyn | gnube: purge and reinstall exim4-config i guess |
| 17:20.51 | paj | but the console driver handles the virtual terminals (alt-f1, etc.) |
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| 17:21.11 | makaveli0129 | shindouz: i did mount /dev/hdc2 / and then typed root=/dev/hdc2 |
| 17:21.13 | paj | the login screens are programs, stdin/out bound to appropriate virtual terminal |
| 17:21.14 | gnube | hmmm. OK but that is rather ugly. |
| 17:21.15 | shingouz | makaveli0129: what did you type at the bootprompt? |
| 17:21.24 | ledet | makaveli0129: youre not making sense |
| 17:21.28 | shingouz | makaveli0129: is the system already up then? |
| 17:21.36 | paj | when you login, it forks, becomes appropriate user and runs the shell |
| 17:21.41 | makaveli0129 | shingouz: i am using gentoo's live cd cuz it is the only one that i have? |
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| 17:21.51 | shingouz | makaveli0129: *is the system running* |
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| 17:22.01 | makaveli0129 | i amd at the prompt that says livecd root # |
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| 17:22.19 | shingouz | makaveli0129: dammit. is the system running now? |
| 17:22.19 | makaveli0129 | shingouz: the system isn't running i am trying to boot it from the live cd |
| 17:22.23 | Paganist | Ok, here's a problem people around me often complains about... when i start an app it won't start in KDE i simply click on it's launcher button and it won't start.i tried from console but nothing happens.... an idea ? |
| 17:22.23 | ledet | makaveli0129: what is it exactly you want to do to your system |
| 17:22.26 | s0n1 | hi howto for implantation postfix in postgresql .. someone knows? |
| 17:22.43 | makaveli0129 | ledet: i want to get into my system from the gentoo livecd |
| 17:23.01 | ledet | makaveli0129: you did that by just mounting your partition |
| 17:23.10 | ledet | makaveli0129: now just do what it is you want |
| 17:23.26 | shingouz | makaveli0129: ok. put the cd in, hit power and when you get to the bootprompt you need to type '<whatever kernelname gentoo uses, probably 'linux'> root=/dev/hda2' |
| 17:23.29 | makaveli0129 | ledet: when i type ls it doesn't give me my files that are on the system |
| 17:23.35 | valdyn | makaveli0129: man chroot, man mount |
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| 17:23.58 | ledet | makaveli0129: did you consider changing directory to the mount pount where you mountet your system? |
| 17:24.08 | makaveli0129 | ledet yes |
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| 17:24.16 | ledet | makaveli0129: and that didnt help? |
| 17:24.31 | ledet | makaveli0129: if that didnt help, your partition is empty and your data is lost |
| 17:24.41 | ledet | makaveli0129: reinstall |
| 17:24.49 | makaveli0129 | ledet: no i don't know how to get into the system with just using the livecd and no bootloader |
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| 17:24.55 | ledet | makaveli0129: sounds like the best solution in your case... |
| 17:25.10 | ledet | makaveli0129: define "get into the system" please |
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| 17:25.25 | shingouz | makaveli0129: and is the box running at the moment or not |
| 17:25.44 | ledet | shingouz: the box is running from his live-cd |
| 17:25.55 | Paganist | just by curiosity... is it possible to really switch of system ? eventually, mounting proc and chrooting and some more and completly leave away the anciant system ? out of kernel anyways which makes more problems and all this considering it is the same kernel loaded in mem and on the chrooted dest system with the same modules... all this without rebooting |
| 17:25.56 | makaveli0129 | ledet: ok i zero'd out my harddrive and then i restored the backup of linux i had now i need to get into the linux system so that i can set up my bootloader |
| 17:25.58 | Paganist | ? |
| 17:26.00 | ledet | shingouz: he has mountet his disk... but there is no data... |
| 17:26.02 | MrBallZ | hi |
| 17:26.15 | shingouz | ledet, makaveli0129: reinstall time then |
| 17:26.20 | ledet | makaveli0129: aaaah... |
| 17:26.24 | ledet | makaveli0129: you should have told us that ages ago |
| 17:26.27 | Tru^Daemon | So how does linux store sessions? |
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| 17:26.32 | MrBallZ | in your opinion, wich is the best Movie / Media player ... |
| 17:26.33 | ledet | shingouz: my point exactly |
| 17:26.40 | makaveli0129 | ledet: sorry |
| 17:26.42 | ledet | !best |
| 17:26.42 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 17:26.52 | Tru^Daemon | ..I say mplayer |
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| 17:26.57 | ledet | MrBallZ: with that said, i prefer mplayer |
| 17:26.57 | shingouz | !tell MrBallZ about marillat |
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| 17:27.31 | makaveli0129 | ledet: i need to set up my dual boot again using ntldr and the only way that i can do that is to get into the linux system and e-mail myself the new file created after i use the dd command |
| 17:27.31 | ledet | makaveli0129: well, if your data is gone, you wont get much out of trying to install a bootloader |
| 17:27.44 | ledet | your data is destroyed |
| 17:27.48 | MrBallZ | dpkg: less overhead, most format compatibility with windows codecs, nice gui .... in windows my favorite is Media Player Classic ... |
| 17:27.49 | dpkg | MrBallZ: what are you talking about? |
| 17:27.52 | makaveli0129 | ledet: the data is still there i know that for a fact |
| 17:28.02 | abrotman | MrBallZ: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:28.24 | abrotman | MrBallZ: mostly .. you just need the win32 codecs from mplayer.hu .. other than that .. xine/mplayer are basically the same as far as supported formats |
| 17:28.27 | MrBallZ | =P |
| 17:28.29 | shingouz | abrotman: dpkg fools pretty many people :) |
| 17:28.48 | abrotman | shingouz: is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:29.00 | shingouz | abrotman: heh.. you too, huh :p |
| 17:29.03 | makaveli0129 | shingouz: what was the command for setting root to my harddrive instead of the cd? |
| 17:29.09 | MrBallZ | abrotman , I remember that KDE had or was going to have a nice GUI for mplayer ... or am i wrong ... |
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| 17:29.20 | abrotman | MrBallZ: kaffiene .. iirc .. frontend for xine |
| 17:29.23 | abrotman | !info kaffiene |
| 17:29.26 | spdf | makaveli0129, chroot |
| 17:29.31 | gnube | sometimes debian is worthless |
| 17:29.36 | Empty | !bot |
| 17:29.36 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 17:29.40 | gnube | dpkg says exim4 is not installed |
| 17:29.40 | dpkg | okay, gnube |
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| 17:29.47 | shingouz | makaveli0129: if the mount did not work there is no real use trying to boot onto the root system anymore, it is gone like the dodo. reinstall |
| 17:29.49 | paulswm | shingouz: there's even some qotds about dpkg fooling people. |
| 17:29.51 | gnube | yet apt-get says it is |
| 17:29.54 | gnube | frusttrating |
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| 17:30.00 | Tru^Daemon | Can anyone give me a HOWTO with how linux handles all the users once they have logged in, whether its using tty or SSH... |
| 17:30.15 | shingouz | paulswm: i haven't looked at the qotds that close yet, maybe i should |
| 17:30.17 | DoppelGanger | what hte beep |
| 17:30.27 | paulswm | !qotd21 |
| 17:30.27 | dpkg | <sussudio> !irritate ravenqr <dpkg> ravenqr: HELP ME!!! who uses cable hello? <ravenqr> dpkg: what you need bro? <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, ravenqr <ravenqr> i have cable |
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| 17:30.40 | makaveli0129 | shingouz: it worked with the gentoo root=/dev/hdc2 |
| 17:30.40 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 17:30.53 | abrotman | !forget says exim4 |
| 17:30.53 | dpkg | i forgot says exim4, abrotman |
| 17:30.56 | simonrvn | !forget says exim4 |
| 17:31.09 | shingouz | makaveli0129: in that case use that then |
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| 17:33.40 | MrBallZ | so, no clear winner between , mplayer and xine ? |
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| 17:34.01 | black13 | libncurses5-dev: Depends: libncurses5 (= 5.4-4) but 5.4-5 is to be installed |
| 17:34.01 | valdyn | MrBallZ: why don' t you try them? |
| 17:34.04 | simonrvn | both are a PITA, so no |
| 17:34.09 | black13 | what does that mean |
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| 17:34.26 | Eulex|DND | pain in the ass |
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| 17:34.57 | MrBallZ | because i have tried them ... |
| 17:35.02 | valdyn | !info libncurses5 sarge |
| 17:35.11 | MrBallZ | i used to use mplayer , from command line :P , long time ago |
| 17:35.12 | abrotman | black13: which debian ? |
| 17:35.19 | dpkg | libncurses5: (Shared libraries for terminal handling), section base, is required. Version: 5.4-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 269 kB, Installed size: 512 kB |
| 17:35.31 | MrBallZ | Just wanted more opinions, so I can go with the flow .... |
| 17:35.33 | abrotman | !info libncurses5 etch |
| 17:35.38 | dpkg | libncurses5: (Shared libraries for terminal handling), section base, is required. Version: 5.4-4 (etch), Packaged size: 269 kB, Installed size: 512 kB |
| 17:35.44 | jetx | !pita |
| 17:35.44 | dpkg | i heard pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 17:35.45 | abrotman | ok ... |
| 17:35.50 | valdyn | black13: that you're running sid while you should not? |
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| 17:36.25 | Gwildor | Testing: please respond |
| 17:36.36 | jetx | !kill Gwildor |
| 17:36.40 | jim | !test |
| 17:36.40 | dpkg | Sorry, jim, I didn't get your test. |
| 17:36.45 | Gwildor | thank you |
| 17:36.59 | jim | !test |
| 17:37.00 | dpkg | Yes, jim, you're still online. |
| 17:37.06 | jetx | !test jim |
| 17:37.07 | dpkg | Testing jim... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ |
| 17:37.14 | jim | dammit jim! |
| 17:37.20 | jetx | he's dead jim |
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| 17:37.39 | black13 | valdyn, i should be using ? |
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| 17:37.54 | jim | Gwildor: as you can see, it5 does work... |
| 17:38.07 | jetx | so does it6? |
| 17:38.31 | jim | dunno, never used one that high |
| 17:38.31 | jetx | it4 is borked though |
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| 17:38.46 | jetx | me neither |
| 17:38.54 | helix | MrBallZ: is your name like Mr. Dragonball Z? |
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| 17:39.16 | jetx | somehow i doubt it helix |
| 17:39.38 | black13 | valdyn, sorry i didnt understand you answer |
| 17:39.55 | MrBallZ | helix: No , its like MrBallZ |
| 17:39.58 | jetx | he said maybe you should be running sarge instead |
| 17:40.06 | helix | like ballsy? |
| 17:40.13 | MrBallZ | eto ..... NO |
| 17:40.45 | shingouz | helix: you teasing the poor thing? ;) |
| 17:40.59 | jetx | shingouz: very punny... |
| 17:41.04 | shingouz | very |
| 17:41.06 | MrBallZ | =P |
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| 17:41.37 | dataw0lf|w | God. Someone really needs to tell the majority of Gentoo users that knowing what a Makefile is doesn't automagickally make you a C programmer. |
| 17:42.03 | Spec | what?! o.O I'm not a a C programmer yet? o.O! |
| 17:42.07 | omniscient | ...you mean i'm not a c programmer? |
| 17:42.10 | omniscient | lol @ spec |
| 17:42.13 | Spec | i win :p |
| 17:42.21 | foureyes779 | heg |
| 17:42.27 | Eulex|DND | I'm a c programmer without knowing a thing about a makefile :P |
| 17:42.34 | Spec | actually, i know more c than makefiles... :p |
| 17:43.08 | bucky | emerge makefile-maker |
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| 17:43.21 | drasko | hi all. I just downloaded some manuals via apt-get. Where are they put and how to see them? |
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| 17:43.30 | intension | what is a good ris-server ? or any if there is ? |
| 17:43.32 | jetx | /usr/share/doc maybe |
| 17:43.40 | jetx | zless if they're in .gz format |
| 17:43.46 | bucky | drasko, point your browser to http://localhost/doc/ |
| 17:43.47 | jetx | less or whatever if not |
| 17:43.48 | valdyn | drasko: manuals? manpages? what exactly? |
| 17:43.51 | jim | typing with one hand can cause it5s to appear... |
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| 17:44.02 | jetx | OMG! |
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| 17:44.35 | jim | Eulex|DND: would you want to understand makefiles? |
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| 17:45.05 | netman1 | Was just scroling backk... Was that the first time a bot passed the Turing test? |
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| 17:45.22 | jim | which time? |
| 17:45.29 | Eulex|DND | jim: sure |
| 17:45.42 | jetx | probably the 'what do you need bro' |
| 17:45.55 | bnoji | Where does the Samaba schema file come from for LDAP? |
| 17:45.56 | jim | Eulex|DND, ok, do you have some linux installed? |
| 17:46.23 | Eulex|DND | yeah, right here |
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| 17:46.29 | jetx | lie3s |
| 17:46.31 | drasko | bucky, nope, I don't have that ina apache... them are in /usr/share/doc... But is there an easier way to see them, maybe with yelp? |
| 17:46.34 | jetx | that's dos 5 |
| 17:46.53 | black13 | abrotman, sid |
| 17:47.11 | abrotman | black13: could be broken today .. you used sid .. you should understand the repercussions |
| 17:47.18 | netman1 | jim: 19:27:49 (MrBallz vs. dpkg) |
| 17:47.49 | jetx | anybody (!anybody) heard any tentative time frames for xorg in sid? |
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| 17:48.07 | abrotman | jetx: it's going to experimental first last i heard |
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| 17:48.16 | jim | Eulex: ok... while we do this, let |
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| 17:48.36 | jetx | abrotman: 'they' say xorg will make nvidia-installer break stuff so warning would be nice |
| 17:48.43 | jim | s both look at info make |
| 17:48.50 | abrotman | why did my lag just skyrock |
| 17:48.50 | abrotman | et |
| 17:49.12 | jetx | gentoo docs rock more |
| 17:49.13 | abrotman | jetx: well . it will be in experimental first .. so i guess you can check there .. or email the debian-x list |
| 17:49.16 | spdf | foureyes779, like... sexually? |
| 17:49.16 | black13 | abrotman, i am guessing that sid is on the bleading edge |
| 17:49.18 | valdyn | jetx: you dont need xorg to make nvidia installer break stuff |
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| 17:49.21 | abrotman | !sid |
| 17:49.21 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 17:49.29 | spdf | black13, The bleeding edge of broken ;) |
| 17:49.39 | foureyes779 | spdf: apt-get pr0n works great |
| 17:49.47 | bigbill52a | what about testing? |
| 17:49.48 | jetx | valdyn: most ppl don't maybe, but i do :( |
| 17:50.11 | jetx | !experimental |
| 17:50.12 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 17:50.14 | black13 | sid will never be released? |
| 17:50.22 | Eulex | nope |
| 17:50.26 | black13 | so sid is testing phase |
| 17:50.29 | abrotman | black13: nope .. that's the way it goes |
| 17:50.30 | bucky | we keep sid in a cage |
| 17:50.35 | abrotman | black13: no .. testing is testing |
| 17:50.35 | abrotman | !testing |
| 17:50.35 | dpkg | i guess testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 17:50.42 | jetx | no testing is testing |
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| 17:50.53 | jetx | damn jinx |
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| 17:51.07 | jim | well, I think that should be reworded... how can you know exactly why or what you're doing without doing the experiment first? |
| 17:51.30 | black13 | abrotman, i wonder would i stillget gcc-3.3 in etch? |
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| 17:51.40 | abrotman | jim: why? .. that seems quite good |
| 17:51.41 | jetx | so testing has security updates is what i read out of that factoid |
| 17:51.46 | abrotman | black13: currently yes |
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| 17:51.52 | abrotman | jetx: it does not |
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| 17:52.01 | jim | abrotman: maybe considering your audience |
| 17:52.02 | jetx | it's what i gathered though |
| 17:52.03 | bsims | hrm are there any 12in1 card readers that do /not/ work with linux? |
| 17:52.08 | black13 | abrotman, ok then its not the end of the world (i hope) |
| 17:52.27 | abrotman | jetx: it implies you can mix testing with security updates for stable |
| 17:52.30 | jetx | black13: |
| 17:52.34 | jetx | !fixunmet |
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| 17:52.40 | jetx | !fix-unmet |
| 17:52.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 17:52.42 | black13 | abrotman, if sid is tremendously trouble then why does it exist? |
| 17:52.52 | bcole | only stable has security updates. "security" updates in testing and unstable come in the form of package updates |
| 17:52.57 | abrotman | black13: for developers .. and those who can fix thier own broken boxes |
| 17:52.58 | jetx | who could run testing it's so un1337 |
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| 17:53.09 | jim | eff innstabel is raelly raelly nue, xprimnentaly must be moch nuer |
| 17:53.11 | Eulex | I'm running testing |
| 17:53.11 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 17:53.11 | abrotman | lots of people run testing |
| 17:53.12 | marcel__ | hi |
| 17:53.26 | jetx | looserz! |
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| 17:53.45 | marcel__ | i cant find the mail check applet in gnome 2.10, where is it? |
| 17:54.01 | bcole | marcel__: apt-cache search |
| 17:54.22 | valdyn | !tell marcel__ about search |
| 17:54.23 | black13 | my dad had a saying , you beard the tiger you get the claw |
| 17:54.24 | marcel__ | bcole, i have gnome-applets installed |
| 17:54.24 | jim | Eulex: ok, so here's what make actually does... you give it pairs like this: somefile.result: somefile.source |
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| 17:54.48 | Eulex | ok |
| 17:54.56 | marcel__ | valdyn, i have gnome-panel installed |
| 17:55.03 | jim | and what that says is: whenever we ask you to build somefile.result, see if it's older or newer than somefile.source |
| 17:55.06 | bcole | marcel__: dpkg -L gnome-applets | less |
| 17:55.12 | valdyn | marcel__: so? |
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| 17:55.30 | MrBallZ | any pointers onto new Win32 codecs ??? |
| 17:55.35 | jetx | dpkg -L |grep -i applet |
| 17:55.36 | dpkg | ii |
| 17:55.37 | jetx | ? |
| 17:55.53 | jim | and if -older-, then that means somefile.result is out of date, so rebuild it from somefile.source |
| 17:55.54 | jetx | mrtesticles: marillat |
| 17:56.06 | bucky | jetx are you and black13 conjoined twins? |
| 17:56.09 | marcel__ | jetx, i pasted it in flood, can you have a look? |
| 17:56.12 | jetx | i mean Mr.Testicles ^^ |
| 17:56.20 | jim | if -newer-, it's already up to date and rebuild is not necessary |
| 17:56.27 | Eulex | ok |
| 17:56.37 | jetx | marcel__: i know nothing but i'll look |
| 17:56.44 | jim | you can have chains and chains of that, trees and trees, etc |
| 17:56.47 | MrBallZ | just found ones on mplayerhq ... |
| 17:56.52 | jim | so you can build large projects |
| 17:56.58 | jim | now, |
| 17:57.43 | jim | say make does not know how to build a .result from a .source, or does not know how to build somefile.result from somefile.source |
| 17:57.53 | jim | you can give it a command to run |
| 17:57.56 | Eclipser | ok... any ideas on how to mount/convert_to_iso clonecd (img/sub/ccd) image |
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| 17:58.04 | marcel__ | I am missing the mail check applet |
| 17:58.14 | jim | it would look like this... |
| 17:58.14 | Eulex | that's true... how to do that? |
| 17:58.15 | black13 | bucky i have been followign jetx's convo |
| 17:58.33 | Eulex | marcel__: apt-get search mail check |
| 17:58.48 | Eulex | oh, apt-cache search |
| 17:59.13 | bucky | black13, you're both from houston and you both ask newbie questions |
| 17:59.31 | marcel__ | eulex, yeah.... what package do i need then? |
| 17:59.47 | Eulex | I dunno... never used gnome... search for it... |
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| 17:59.58 | netman1 | marcel__: acording to debian.org mailcheck-applet is in gnome-applets |
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| 18:00.14 | marcel__ | Eulex, do you think i didnt try that? |
| 18:00.22 | black13 | bucky, i use to live in houston |
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| 18:00.23 | marcel__ | netman1, but i dont have it |
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| 18:00.34 | schrankwand | how can I add a user? |
| 18:00.39 | netman1 | marcel__: reinstall |
| 18:00.42 | black13 | bucky, but you have newbie part dead on |
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| 18:00.46 | marcel__ | dpkg -L gnome-applets | grep -i mail |
| 18:00.46 | netman1 | schrankwand: useradd |
| 18:00.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching gnome-applets |
| 18:00.50 | marcel__ | this gives nothing |
| 18:00.50 | jetx | gnubiff - A mail notification program for GNOME (and others) |
| 18:00.56 | jetx | only one i could find |
| 18:01.02 | schrankwand | netman1: thanks |
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| 18:01.08 | black13 | jetx, what part of houston |
| 18:01.11 | jetx | i didn't know you could nest greps though |
| 18:01.12 | netman1 | marcel: dpkg -l gnome-applets |
| 18:01.20 | Eulex | jim: so, how to give it a command to run? |
| 18:01.20 | jetx | med center area black13 |
| 18:01.33 | robert | i didn't have a ~/.xinitrc file so, I created one and added 'exec initrc' (minus quotes)... and chmodded, now when i run the script manually (./.xinitrc), it launches gkrellm, but not when fluxbox starts up, any ideas? |
| 18:01.33 | black13 | jetx, i use to live in alief |
| 18:01.35 | jim | somefile.result: somefile.source |
| 18:01.35 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.42 | jetx | black13: i grew up in alief |
| 18:01.44 | robert | er, 'exec gkrellm' |
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| 18:01.47 | marcel__ | gnome-applets 2.10.1-3 |
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| 18:01.49 | robert | and /usr/bin/gkrellm |
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| 18:01.58 | robert | (tried both) |
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| 18:02.12 | netman1 | marcel__ : two ii in the first two columns? |
| 18:02.20 | s0n1 | someone knows cyrus-sasl of debian have support cript ? |
| 18:02.37 | s0n1 | someone knows cyrus-sasl of debian have support cript ? |
| 18:02.41 | jetx | son guru |
| 18:02.47 | jetx | ill |
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| 18:03.03 | Eulex | oh, ok... I think I'm gonna go look at a few makefiles myself... thanks for the help, jim! |
| 18:03.11 | Ronin | patience s0n1 |
| 18:03.11 | black13 | jetx, wanna chat prive |
| 18:03.42 | PeapTLS | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.58 | jetx | !info mailboxcheck |
| 18:04.02 | jetx | no not really |
| 18:04.06 | black13 | jetx, i dont miss houston |
| 18:04.09 | jetx | gotta go pick up my check :/ |
| 18:04.24 | jetx | !info mboxcheck |
| 18:04.29 | dpkg | mboxcheck: (MBOX scan utility), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 18:04.48 | jetx | !info mboxcheck-applet |
| 18:04.53 | dpkg | mboxcheck-applet: (A GNOME2 applet to check your mboxes), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
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| 18:05.11 | nvz | jetx: /msg dpkg |
| 18:05.14 | marcel__ | netman1, yes |
| 18:05.14 | marcel__ | ii gnome-applets 2.10.1-3 |
| 18:05.17 | marcel__ | i'm gonna grab some debs from incoming.debian.org, maybe that helps |
| 18:05.25 | nvz | that seems to have no relevance to anyone else in here |
| 18:05.33 | icty1 | i've been trying (unsuccessfully) to upgrade postgresql to 7.4 or 8.0 in sid |
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| 18:05.42 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 18:05.54 | netman1 | marcel__ : maybe you should check the .deb contents... |
| 18:05.58 | icty1 | first i was getting a message like "all available cluster names in use" |
| 18:06.09 | Eulex | marcel__: *don't*... they are more unstable than unstable |
| 18:06.19 | icty1 | then I completely purged the old postgresql and tried installing |
| 18:06.29 | jetx | actually nvz you could scroll up and see that it is relevant to one guy |
| 18:06.47 | netman1 | marcel__: you probably still have it in your /var/chache/apt/archives |
| 18:06.49 | jetx | but the first info mboxcheck was a 'typo' |
| 18:06.49 | icty1 | now, things are being put in /var/lib/postgresql but the postmaster is looking for thinkgs in /var/lib/postgres |
| 18:06.50 | jim | Eulex: just got off the phone with my cousin... |
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| 18:07.05 | jim | Eulex: anyway, understand so far? |
| 18:07.11 | netman1 | marcel__ : 's/chache/cache/g' |
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| 18:07.33 | Eulex | jim: yes, I do... I think I'm gonna go look at some real makefiles now... |
| 18:07.38 | jetx | speaking of, how the hell do you scroll up in irssi in a rxvt window |
| 18:07.45 | jim | there's just a little more |
| 18:07.50 | marcel__ | netman1, i'll try, thanks |
| 18:07.55 | jetx | scrollbar doesn't work, shipft pgup or just pgup doesn't work... |
| 18:07.56 | Eulex | oh, ok... go on... |
| 18:07.57 | jim | two things that I can think of |
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| 18:08.28 | jim | well, there's much more, but you should have info make that you can look thru, and that doc is very good |
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| 18:08.55 | PeTeRB | jetx: PgUp/PgDn or Alt+P/Alt+N |
| 18:08.56 | jim | first, make understands certain files |
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| 18:09.00 | jim | for example |
| 18:09.08 | jetx | ~~~~~~~~ |
| 18:09.17 | jetx | that was alt+pgup :( |
| 18:09.17 | black13 | manually build ncurses |
| 18:09.23 | Lee__ | why is the wlan-ng project not in sarge? |
| 18:09.25 | black13 | not totally a newbie |
| 18:09.43 | raydoo | hello |
| 18:09.54 | jetx | in console it would function .. /me gnashes teeth |
| 18:10.02 | jim | it already knows how to build .o files out of c sources or c++ sources (and probably more than that, ada, fortran, pascal, objective c) |
| 18:10.07 | raydoo | somebody uses cyrus imapd here ? |
| 18:10.11 | jim | so if you say: |
| 18:10.23 | shingouz | !tell raydoo about polls |
| 18:10.26 | shingouz | !tell raydoo about ask |
| 18:10.29 | Azar | damn learning subnetting and CIDR, whod have thought I need them in Debian |
| 18:10.31 | jim | somefile.o: somefile.c |
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| 18:11.00 | jim | it already knows inside how to run the c compiler to build somefile.o from somefile.c |
| 18:11.08 | Lee__ | Azar: I don't think CIDR notation is specific to Debian |
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| 18:11.27 | jim | that's because it uses an implicit rule to do the build |
| 18:11.30 | raydoo | somebody knows why i cant conect with the cyrus user over cyradmin .. |
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| 18:11.32 | Azar | Lee__ with the need of internet protection whod have thought |
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| 18:11.47 | thomas_adam | raydoo: What do your logs say? |
| 18:11.48 | Eulex | jim: ok... but how do I add compiler command line options? |
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| 18:12.08 | Azar | is not the reading issue, it is the TIME |
| 18:12.10 | raydoo | thomas_adam what log especially ? :) |
| 18:12.11 | jim | Eulex: one way, put them in a variable called CFLAGS |
| 18:12.15 | Azar | not enough time to sit and read |
| 18:12.24 | srineer|laptop | im looking for a apt-get repo that has mod_mono in it |
| 18:12.28 | Eulex | ok |
| 18:12.31 | cddesjar | ok...so i am having some issues setting up my usb printer. i believe it's the debian part of it. i have set up cups properly and my driver and printer show up. but when i hit test print nothing happens. it's acts like it's not hooked up properly or communicating |
| 18:12.42 | abrotman | srineer|laptop: try asking #debian-mono |
| 18:12.48 | srineer|laptop | thanks |
| 18:12.50 | valdyn | cddesjar: /var/log/cups/error_log |
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| 18:12.56 | jim | you can say things like CFLAGS = -g -O87634856 -I/the/path/to/my/special/sekret/include/files |
| 18:12.58 | abrotman | raydoo: the ones with stuff in them :) |
| 18:13.02 | dae | cddesjar, check that you have ghostscript installed |
| 18:13.06 | Lee__ | any suggestions on why the linux-wlan-ng project isn't included in sarge? or am I missing something? |
| 18:13.11 | raydoo | yes yes the authlog |
| 18:13.17 | raydoo | always forget that stuff |
| 18:13.17 | bnoji | Do most people use BDB with LDAP? |
| 18:13.40 | jim | and you can also set CPPFLAGS for c++ compile options |
| 18:13.44 | jethro | bnoji: yes |
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| 18:13.53 | raydoo | may i paste here 2 line without beeing kicked ? |
| 18:14.02 | jim | and you can also set LDFLAGS for linker options |
| 18:14.06 | schrankwand | how can i add a existing user to a group? |
| 18:14.07 | nvz | raydoo: yes, but don't do it |
| 18:14.14 | nvz | raydoo: use #flood or a pastebin |
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| 18:14.30 | cddesjar | "apt-cache show ghostscript"? |
| 18:14.33 | raydoo | paste in chan #flood ? |
| 18:14.38 | jim | schrankwand: a few different ways, probably the easiest is adduser <user> <group> |
| 18:14.42 | jethro | bnoji: I suggest you /join #ldap, you'll find a lot of knowledgeable people there |
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| 18:14.57 | schrankwand | i will try it, jim. thanks |
| 18:14.58 | nvz | raydoo: yes, read the /topic it says to use a pastebin or #flood, or /msg dpkg paster |
| 18:15.02 | dae | cddesjar, just type gs at the prompt, what happens ? |
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| 18:15.09 | jim | gotta do that as the admin user |
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| 18:15.19 | zumbi | schrankwand, man addgroup |
| 18:15.25 | raydoo | ok thx |
| 18:15.30 | cddesjar | something opened up |
| 18:15.36 | nvz | raydoo: the eggdrop bot kicks after 3 or 4 I think, but in a discussion channel this large, its very impolite to paste |
| 18:15.41 | cddesjar | a new window and a GS> prompt |
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| 18:15.54 | raydoo | i understand |
| 18:16.13 | Eulex | jim: ok... how do I do conditionals? for example, if someone does make debug something different than what happens with a simple make should happen |
| 18:16.18 | schrankwand | thnaks, zumbi |
| 18:16.24 | raydoo | well i pastst e the auth log in flood |
| 18:16.27 | cddesjar | am i missing some sort of software that needs to communicate between my usb and my usb printer? |
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| 18:16.37 | cddesjar | am i missing something in /etc/fstab file maybe? |
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| 18:16.37 | jim | schrankwand: right, it's a VERY good habit to verify any solution you're given by looking at the individual man pages... for example you can look at the man page for adduser to see if it really does the thing you want |
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| 18:16.42 | dae | jim, isn't CPPFLAGS flags for cpp (the preprocessor) and CXXFLAGS the ones for c++ ? |
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| 18:17.18 | reuqium | what is the best guide to quickly/painlessly install ATI radeon drivers with openGL support? |
| 18:17.26 | jim | Eulex: "dae jim, isn't CPPFLAGS flags for cpp (the preprocessor) and CXXFLAGS the ones for c++ ?" Hmmm, yes, maybe you're right dae |
| 18:17.31 | reuqium | (for an X600 on a PCIe slot) |
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| 18:18.16 | Lee__ | !ati |
| 18:18.16 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 18:18.17 | nvz | reuqium: it goes like this, return the ATI Radeon, buy any nVidia card, then come back and ask about building nvidia debs :) thats the quick easy way |
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| 18:18.32 | jim | reuqium: the learning process may or may not be painful... please allow yourself some time to learn |
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| 18:18.50 | cddesjar | what should i look for in the error_log? |
| 18:19.04 | nvz | errors |
| 18:19.05 | Azar | it seems people still hope to get a linux debian into gaming arena |
| 18:19.07 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.11 | cddesjar | lol |
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| 18:19.14 | cddesjar | i know that |
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| 18:19.25 | cddesjar | but any in particular that would translate to my printer not printing |
| 18:19.44 | reuqium | nvz: i bought it online, so no can do |
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| 18:19.50 | netman1 | reuqium: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 18:19.54 | jim | Eulex: those are "targets"... when you run make, it looks for the very first concrete rule in the file and considers that the "whole project" it is to rebuild |
| 18:20.01 | mborohovski | hey guys, i just bought a new sony vaio s480 lappy...and its awesome. the problem is, i cant get linux on it because for some reason it doesnt recognize the hard disk. ive tried googling, and nobody has it yet since its new. the controller is an Intel 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controller. after some googling, i loaded the ata_piix mod when attempting to install, also to no avail. i've tried linux26 as well as the 2.4 kernel. help? heh |
| 18:20.32 | dae | How do I setup the locale in sarge so that I still have english language but using swedish locale for time and most other things ? Setting the LC_* env. variables in my login shell only works for applications started from the shell and not when starting then from a gnome menu item ? |
| 18:20.33 | netman1 | reuqium: did it myself this morning, worked like charm : flxgears 2200fps |
| 18:20.33 | nvz | reuqium: oh well. I had good experiences with the nvidia, but I've never tried ATI, I just know for various reasons they arent as well supported right now |
| 18:20.43 | jim | mborohovski: uata... someone was here the other day with a uata |
| 18:20.46 | jim | who was that... |
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| 18:20.50 | reuqium | netma1: thank you |
| 18:20.56 | mborohovski | jim: that was me |
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| 18:21.03 | jim | ohh |
| 18:21.05 | reuqium | nvz: i know that suse has an easy to use install package |
| 18:21.06 | jim | :) |
| 18:21.28 | mborohovski | jim: i had to run out because i was having family issues (medical problems, hospital and stuff) so i sort of left it hanging but have been trying to figure it out since |
| 18:21.31 | netman1 | reuqium: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5b62 |
| 18:21.36 | mborohovski | jim: any ideas? |
| 18:21.37 | mborohovski | heh |
| 18:21.43 | toonX | directhex|work it's going to take me a whole week to set up right those flavio ati drivers :) |
| 18:21.48 | jim | mborohovski: I hope everyone's ok?! |
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| 18:22.00 | directhex | toonX, if you're not an expert, that sounds about right |
| 18:22.03 | mborohovski | jim: yeah, its alright now |
| 18:22.14 | new2l | I did a upgrade from woody to sarge. Ran into a small problem. It is stuck at booting lilo, whats the best way to fix that ? Kind of new to linux here. |
| 18:22.16 | jim | there was a rock song called that |
| 18:22.19 | cddesjar | what's ESP Ghostscript? |
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| 18:22.28 | Ludwic | Hi. Do you know how to upgrade from my Debian 3.0 Woody to the new 3.1 Sarge Release (without reinstalling all) |
| 18:22.38 | mborohovski | new21: how did you do the upgrade? |
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| 18:22.45 | jim | cddesjar: uses telekinesis to communicate with printer |
| 18:22.49 | PeTeRB | Ludwic: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 18:22.57 | cddesjar | how do i know if i have it installed |
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| 18:23.02 | PeTiLLoN | i can't unzip a file under knoppix with ark, what have i to install? |
| 18:23.11 | new2l | mborohovski I did a apt-get update;apt-get upgrade and then later on apt-get dist-upgrade :( |
| 18:23.13 | jim | mborohovski: not sure where we were |
| 18:23.16 | floppyears | PeTiLLoN: just use unzip file |
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| 18:23.17 | shingouz | PeTiLLoN: #knoppix |
| 18:23.27 | PeTiLLoN | it don't work |
| 18:23.34 | shingouz | PeTiLLoN: /jopin #knoppix |
| 18:23.42 | shingouz | join even |
| 18:23.45 | madclicker | how do i get the "scroll wheel" to work in KDE? |
| 18:23.52 | madclicker | on my mouse |
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| 18:23.55 | mborohovski | jim: i think we were just at the using the ata_piix |
| 18:23.57 | mborohovski | and i modprobed it |
| 18:24.00 | mborohovski | but it didnt do anything |
| 18:24.03 | shingouz | PeTiLLoN: man unzip should hel tpp |
| 18:24.06 | kantai | first it needs to work in X |
| 18:24.12 | jim | Eulex: anyways tho, you can get a list of the implicit rules and what they are from info make |
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| 18:24.27 | shingouz | damn i typo, i seriously need some caffeine. brb |
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| 18:24.38 | kantai | madclicker: is your X~ properly configured? |
| 18:24.41 | da4n1 | this apt-get inst vncserver what port is it on? |
| 18:24.52 | jim | Eulex: the last thing is.... so make somehow knows specifics like building object files out of .c files... but HOW?! |
| 18:24.54 | Ludwic | PeteRB: Thanks |
| 18:25.03 | jim | you're still here right |
| 18:25.04 | netman1 | da4n1: 5900 |
| 18:25.05 | dae | What package is responsible for maintaining /etc/environment ? Can I make manual edits ? |
| 18:25.08 | PeTeRB | Ludwic: You're welcome |
| 18:25.11 | Eulex | jim: yeah, I am |
| 18:25.15 | cddesjar | how do i set up a usb printer with debian? i have tried printconf |
| 18:25.18 | HeavenWarrior | guys i've a strange problem - apt-get wants some gpg keys - i've thread with 'apt-get install debian-keyring' and 'gpg --import /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg' after that, but the problem is on horizon still |
| 18:25.21 | madclicker | kantai: yes, i have "Emulate3button" set to "false. |
| 18:25.22 | mborohovski | jim: im at a loss for ideas |
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| 18:25.39 | mborohovski | i mean, im recompiling the kernel after the install regardless |
| 18:25.42 | gtigene_ | I just installed Debian from the Mepis CD. How can I get emacs? apt-get install emacs didn't work. |
| 18:25.47 | mborohovski | i just need this to freaking base install, heh |
| 18:25.52 | jim | ok, as I said, those are implicit rules... and as it turns out, you can define your own |
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| 18:26.01 | mborohovski | any image with a 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 18:26.01 | kantai | madclicker: Check in the kontrol panel or whatever they call it in KDE |
| 18:26.01 | jim | for example |
| 18:26.03 | da4n1 | i don't get no errors whens tarting vncserver but i still can't connect to it |
| 18:26.13 | shingouz | gtigene_: that is not a debian, off to #mepis with you |
| 18:26.14 | new2l | I think u can use ZAxisButtons for scroll mouse |
| 18:26.18 | dae | gtigene_, apt-get install emacs21 I think |
| 18:26.19 | maebmij | madclicker: protocol ps2 or imps2 in your XF86config? |
| 18:26.24 | madclicker | kantai: and if i recall it correctly it was workingon friday, today my system frozze so i crtl-alt-backspace it and ow it doesnt work |
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| 18:26.35 | netman1 | da4n1: try telnet host 5900 if you get a connect it works |
| 18:26.37 | drac | new2l: ZAxisMapping |
| 18:26.41 | gtigene_ | dae, thanks. |
| 18:26.43 | new2l | yah thas the one :) |
| 18:26.50 | jim | Say you have a web page where you have a diagram that you edit using dia but most web browsers can only show gifs, pngs, jpgs but not .dia files |
| 18:27.00 | sr_ | hmm.. How can I "apt-get install" unixodbc-dev without having X? there's some strange dependency that ends in requiring X11. (And I haven't got any clue how to avoid this (except installing from source (what I'd like to avoid if possible))) |
| 18:27.07 | madclicker | maebmij: ps2 |
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| 18:27.34 | new2l | Anyone know if I can boot using a CD or Floppy to get back into ym system and fix what i'm messed up ? I'm stuck at lilo after a 'failed' install on my part |
| 18:27.40 | madclicker | maebmij: protocol "PS/2) |
| 18:27.41 | new2l | err failed upgrade |
| 18:27.43 | mborohovski | jim: any ideas at all? and any image? |
| 18:27.49 | da4n1 | netman1: i can |
| 18:27.49 | jim | and maybe what you want to do is show people here (or on #networking) what you have in your network so you can ask them a question |
| 18:27.54 | da4n1 | can't telnet to it |
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| 18:28.21 | cddesjar | so the next realize is going to be etch? what happens when debian runs out of toy story characters |
| 18:28.22 | siesta_man | hi |
| 18:28.23 | jim | mborohovski: after modprobing that, can you go back to the installer and see if you can partition? |
| 18:28.31 | netman1 | da4nl: did you add the vnc option in XF86Config-4? |
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| 18:28.34 | dae | new2l, Do you know what failed ? |
| 18:28.35 | siesta_man | i need help with debootstrap |
| 18:28.43 | siesta_man | who can help me? |
| 18:29.00 | kantai | madclicker: Try 'option "ZAxisMapping" 4 5' |
| 18:29.02 | netman1 | da4nl: Load "vnc" |
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| 18:29.04 | netman1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.06 | maebmij | madclicker: worth trying Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" instead - I needed that to get scrolling. |
| 18:29.17 | new2l | dae not specifically i have to go to the datacenter tomorrow to fix it. But basically I'm guessing the kernel I have no longer will work with the upgrades i made. |
| 18:29.18 | jim | mborohovski: I'm assuming you are in the debian installer and you went to the second VC? |
| 18:29.23 | netman1 | da4nl: and restart X, ofcourse. |
| 18:29.30 | jim | and ran the command from that shell? |
| 18:29.37 | mborohovski | jim: yup, and to no avail |
| 18:29.43 | jim | Eulex, do you have that picture? |
| 18:29.47 | mborohovski | jim: second VC? |
| 18:30.02 | madclicker | kantai: i have that |
| 18:30.04 | jim | mborohovski: ctrl-alt-F2 maybe |
| 18:30.05 | Eulex | jim: yes |
| 18:30.06 | mborohovski | jim: oh, yeah |
| 18:30.06 | dae | new2l, So the machine hangs at the lilo prompt ? |
| 18:30.10 | madclicker | maebmij: roger, brb |
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| 18:30.19 | Radiance | guys, any one maybe heard about dell laptops freezing when switching from console to X or the opposite ? It's with a few more laptops, but it seems to be common with nvidia drivers + X |
| 18:30.23 | new2l | dae yes that is correct. at least that is what they tell me |
| 18:30.23 | mborohovski | jim: of course. how else do you think i modprobed it? :p |
| 18:30.56 | jim | mborohovski: so it still didn't see the drives |
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| 18:31.01 | pder | why is gnome 2.10 only partially migrated to sid? why not wait to migrate it all at once, so it doesnt break it? |
| 18:31.01 | Draconicus | Heya. |
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| 18:31.30 | jim | I'm stumpped and I don't know enough about the installer to be able to help much beyond that |
| 18:31.35 | MrBallZ | how can i configure my sound card ??? |
| 18:31.35 | dae | new2l, That should have nothing to do with any installed software on the disk. Sounds like the lilo install is messed up. You can boot of either a rescue CD or the install CD to fix it... |
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| 18:32.00 | travail101 | I am having problems with apt-get in knoppix |
| 18:32.02 | mborohovski | nope |
| 18:32.06 | mborohovski | no partionable media |
| 18:32.24 | new2l | dae ok. I will try that. So I should be able to recover from an install CD then. |
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| 18:32.28 | asg | pder: it's a chicken and egg problem |
| 18:32.31 | sr_ | ok, so how can i 'exclude dependencies'? is it possible at all? |
| 18:32.40 | djp | please help me! i am totally at a loss with regards why when i install debian 3.1 it always ends up with my resolution only being able to use the maximum size of 800x600? i have an nvidia geforce2 graphic card and a 17@ LG flatron 775ft monitor. i should be able to use a resolution up to 1280x1024 (i actually use 1024x768). Also my keyboard (despite me choosing uk/british/etc when setting up) appears to be using a us layout? can an |
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| 18:32.58 | jim | mborohovski: the developer folk are on #debian-boot BUT they don't want to handle install help traffic there... they like to do it by email on their list, and that list is on lists.debian.org, you can browse that and find debian-boot |
| 18:32.59 | new2l | dae main problem is that I don't want to mess round with the RAID controller because it's a DELL and not sure how well the PERC's are supported |
| 18:33.08 | Lee__ | what are the main differences to an end user between the prism2_cs driver and the hostap_cd driver? |
| 18:33.12 | travail101 | this is what it tells me http://rafb.net/paste/results/7qklpf57.html |
| 18:33.13 | berzerka | MrBallZ: http://www.alsa-project.org/documentation.php |
| 18:33.15 | netman1 | djp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:33.15 | pder | asg its not possible to wait to move packages into sid until it is complete and upgrade tests work ok? |
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| 18:33.47 | asg | pder: no, some packages depend on others going in first. That's why we have sid, so we can break things. |
| 18:34.02 | netman1 | djp: or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 directly |
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| 18:34.06 | dae | new2l, Well technically yes. What I do is that I run the install process up until the point where the partitioner starts. Then switch to a shell (alt-ctrl-f2). Mount the root partition and any boot partitions on /mnt for example. do a chroot into /mnt and rerun lilo. That's the idea any way... |
| 18:34.15 | MrBallZ | is there a dpkg-reconfigure for sound card ? , i know there is , because in knoppix that is how you reconfigure your sound card ... |
| 18:34.15 | mborohovski | jim: mind asking around? or can you refer me to someone? cuz im a decent linux admin but dont know jack about the installer lol |
| 18:34.28 | djp | netman1: will try that. i gather i run as root |
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| 18:34.41 | toonX | directhex|work expert, not at all, anyway just by chance , you don't happend to have an ati card and installed those drivers ? |
| 18:34.47 | jim | mborohovski: well, that's the best and most specific resource I knwo |
| 18:34.55 | jim | but yes, I can try asking around |
| 18:34.56 | new2l | dae ok, I'll give that a shot. we'll see what happens ;) tx |
| 18:35.10 | dae | new2l, wait a minute... RAID ? |
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| 18:35.32 | new2l | dae the guy that installed it, thinks he may have left a rescue CD floppy on the server |
| 18:35.32 | jim | I sense a bug is gonna die! |
| 18:35.33 | travail101 | can I even get help with my broken knoppix APT here? |
| 18:35.34 | cddesjar | yay! i got my printer to work! |
| 18:35.41 | toonX | why is rpm in the debian repositoryes ? does it have any use at all? |
| 18:35.58 | travail101 | or should I seek help elsewhere? |
| 18:36.00 | bucky | travail101, try #knoppix |
| 18:36.02 | dae | new2l, Are you trying to boot off a RAID device ? |
| 18:36.04 | jim | travail101: preferred you try #knoppix; probably you get better there |
| 18:36.07 | jetx | !info alien |
| 18:36.08 | dpkg | alien: (install non-native packages with dpkg), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.52 (sid), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 476 kB |
| 18:36.10 | new2l | dae yeah |
| 18:36.11 | appaji | toonX: yes, if you wanted to examine or install some RPMs? |
| 18:36.12 | berzerka | MrBallZ: maybe you mean alsaconf? but that alone wont help you i guess. |
| 18:36.23 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 18:36.24 | dpkg | alsa-bork is, like, modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 18:36.25 | appaji | toonX: Also, checkout 'alien' |
| 18:36.33 | toonX | appaji so i can actually install rpm's on debian ??? |
| 18:36.40 | dae | new2l, So booting off this raid device worked in woody but not with sarge ? |
| 18:36.44 | toonX | appaji sound weierd |
| 18:36.45 | travail101 | I doubt it... #knoppix is a quiet room... and it's about livecd technologies, not APT |
| 18:36.47 | new2l | dae correct |
| 18:36.55 | jim | ahh! I found my dia png makefile! |
| 18:36.58 | jetx | #kanotix > #knoppix |
| 18:37.11 | bucky | travail101, knoppix is not debian |
| 18:37.16 | new2l | dae worked in woody but only wth a dell custom kernel, which is why i wanted to stay away from recompiling the kernel |
| 18:37.19 | travail101 | bucky: APT is |
| 18:37.27 | bucky | so |
| 18:37.28 | jim | apt: are you? |
| 18:37.29 | apt | yes |
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| 18:37.38 | jim | bucky: see?! |
| 18:37.45 | bucky | travail101, go ask a redhat question in #suse |
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| 18:37.48 | jetx | !worship apt |
| 18:37.51 | dae | new2l, OK, so you had a dell custom kernel that got overwritten when you upgraded to sarge ? |
| 18:38.03 | jetx | not 'overwritten' |
| 18:38.11 | new2l | dae not sure that it got overwritten. |
| 18:38.12 | jetx | 'not the default anymore' |
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| 18:38.13 | travail101 | bucky: so, the point is, when apt gives me an error, people who know apt would be the most likely people to know where to start going about solving it |
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| 18:38.40 | bucky | travail101, maybe the developers of your distrobution would know more about it |
| 18:38.43 | jim | it is probably the same apt we use |
| 18:38.43 | jetx | !dselect |
| 18:38.43 | dpkg | well, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 18:38.47 | cddesjar | if anyone is wondering...i installed gs-esp.....restarted cups...and my printer worked |
| 18:38.50 | travail101 | bucky: it's more like asking an RPM question in Redaht really |
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| 18:38.53 | dae | new2l, if the dell custom kernel is still there you should be able to type the name of that kernel at the lilo prompt |
| 18:38.56 | new2l | dae I'm just wondering if maybe upgrading some of the glibs etc may have screwed up the ability for lilo to boot that kernel ? |
| 18:38.58 | cddesjar | thanks to who ever told me to look in my error_logs file |
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| 18:39.00 | jim | dselect is horrible |
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| 18:39.07 | travail101 | bucky: or a portage question in #gentoo |
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| 18:39.20 | cddesjar | how do i delete all of the kde games |
| 18:39.24 | new2l | dae ok, i can't get the prompt but maybe I can type that at the boot prompt on the install cD? is that what you mean |
| 18:39.27 | bucky | !topicsmite travail101 |
| 18:39.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon travail101. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:39.37 | asg | cddesjar: find which packages contain them, purge packages |
| 18:39.46 | valdyn | cddesjar: dpkg -S /usr/games/<somekdegame> |
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| 18:39.57 | jim | mentorofAustria: are ya new to the opper thing? |
| 18:39.59 | cddesjar | ok |
| 18:40.00 | jetx | no he means when you boot normally |
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| 18:40.02 | dae | new2l, No, the root partition isn't even mounted, whatever libs are on there don't matter this early in the boot process |
| 18:40.04 | cddesjar | what does -S mean? |
| 18:40.07 | mborohovski | jim: thanks, i really appreciate it |
| 18:40.09 | asg | cddesjar: man dpkg |
| 18:40.09 | cddesjar | nevermind i'll man iut |
| 18:40.12 | cddesjar | lol |
| 18:40.13 | cddesjar | man it |
| 18:40.22 | valdyn | cddesjar: show me the package of the given file |
| 18:40.23 | new2l | dae ah yeah good point. |
| 18:40.24 | travail101 | apparently... APT is not Debian, I'll seek help in #Gentoo |
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| 18:40.27 | mentorofAustria | jim: No. muscle memory had me opping in the wrong channel. |
| 18:40.44 | bucky | apt |
| 18:40.50 | bucky | ~apt |
| 18:40.55 | apt | i heard apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. |
| 18:40.55 | cddesjar | yup i just read that |
| 18:40.56 | jim | is that your usual nick? |
| 18:41.00 | jetx | ~kill bucky |
| 18:41.02 | apt | ACTION shoots a charged graviton gun at bucky |
| 18:41.02 | mborohovski | ill be in here a lot for the next while |
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| 18:41.13 | new2l | dae well maybe it's jus ta mater of running lilo again then. I'll try and figure out how to manage that |
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| 18:41.18 | asg | travail101: what did you do to break your apt |
| 18:41.18 | travail101 | ok, then I have a dpkg problem |
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| 18:41.22 | dae | new2l, I wa thinking that if the lilo prompt still worked when booting off the raid device you should be able to select the old kernel from there. Hitting <tab> used to bring a list of choices. |
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| 18:41.40 | bucky | travail101, no.. you have a hearing problem |
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| 18:41.49 | bucky | knoppix is not debian |
| 18:41.50 | jetx | timeout and prompt aren't in my default sarge install fyi |
| 18:41.53 | travail101 | asg: it's the default apt from knoppix 3.8, i tried to upgrade, and the last for security upgrades fail |
| 18:42.02 | jetx | just delay=20 |
| 18:42.04 | new2l | dae yeah I wish. :) I'm sure I've broken lilo before when running slackware I have to remember how I fixed it then. |
| 18:42.09 | asg | travail101: failed in what way? paste the error (if it is less than 3 lines) |
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| 18:42.15 | valdyn | travail101: how about you just ask your goddamn question instead of bothering us with boring meta info |
| 18:42.19 | Draconicus | I'm having problems with the snd_seq module. It loads, but I'm not hearing anything when midis play through my SB Live card (and yes, I'm using a soundfont when required and correct app settings). Does ALSA's synth volume control manage the output of this module? |
| 18:42.20 | shingouz | travail101: this is not #knoppix |
| 18:42.25 | Lee__ | travail101: have you looked at the sources.list for Knoppix? |
| 18:42.30 | Draconicus | Wait... no synth control.. |
| 18:42.34 | Draconicus | Nevermind. |
| 18:42.38 | crashbg | i asked a question in netfilter and noone is answering me there so can anyone help me a little bit with netfilter and nat/port forwarding |
| 18:42.41 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.43 | dae | new2l, if the MBR is cooked that just running lilo by itself usually fixes that. |
| 18:42.48 | crashbg | in private to paste a few lines |
| 18:42.53 | asg | crashbg: try #iptables |
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| 18:43.00 | valdyn | travail101: knoppix and debian security may mix or not, that's not a debian problem and we *cannot* support it |
| 18:43.03 | bucky | apparently knoppix didn't tell it's users that they need sarge instead of testing in their security line |
| 18:43.03 | jim | Eulex, ok, I found the thing I wanted to show you |
| 18:43.05 | jetx | boot a woody cd, type rescue root=/dev/hda1 or whereever |
| 18:43.16 | new2l | dae yeah I'm hoping it's just that. many thanks for the help |
| 18:43.27 | dae | new2l, Good luck ! |
| 18:43.31 | jetx | kanotix uses sid so no borko |
| 18:43.33 | bucky | and knoppix users like travail101 don't know how to google for something like that |
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| 18:43.46 | jim | Eulex: still here? |
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| 18:43.49 | shingouz | jetx: b/s no borko |
| 18:43.51 | travail101 | valdyn: I asked the question a long time ago, that's what lead to the meta info |
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| 18:43.59 | dae | What package is responsible for maintaining /etc/environment ? Can I make manual edits ? |
| 18:44.03 | jetx | how so |
| 18:44.04 | shingouz | !knoppixsmite travail101 |
| 18:44.05 | travail101 | Lee__: I will do that... |
| 18:44.13 | asg | dae: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:44.14 | Eulex | jim: I'm still here |
| 18:44.30 | rob_ | I'm trying to download the lastest Sarge ISO, but I have an old ISO of sarge from before it went stable, can I use that image to start off? |
| 18:44.37 | mentorofAustria | shingouz: That's not particularly helpful. The answer from valdyn was more constructive... |
| 18:44.37 | rob_ | so I don't have to download the entire CD again |
| 18:44.38 | jetx | actually, the breezy dvd makes a nice live one |
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| 18:44.45 | asg | shingouz: just let him ask his question and if we can help, we will |
| 18:44.46 | Lee__ | rob_ please don't |
| 18:44.46 | rob_ | I tried using jigdo command line but it's very cryptic |
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| 18:44.52 | Lee__ | rob_ use bittorrent |
| 18:45.00 | asg | shingouz: he'll get a Debian answer either way and if it works for him, great. If not, we can't do anything about it. |
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| 18:45.11 | rob_ | err but that wouldn't use the cd image I have to rebuild |
| 18:45.15 | shingouz | asg: that is true.. |
| 18:45.22 | valdyn | travail101: your error comes from trying to use security packages for testing. Testing does *not* get security updates normally, so those files cannot exist. |
| 18:45.25 | jim | OK... so say I'm trying to show someone a data model, and I want to show it graphically... I might use a line/shape drawing tool like dia, but unfortunately... |
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| 18:45.35 | jim | most browsers don't understand dia files |
| 18:45.50 | jim | I want to be able to do this in the makefile: |
| 18:45.56 | Lee__ | so...big general question. Is wireless broken in 2.6 kernels for Prism2 chipsets? |
| 18:45.57 | bucky | rob_, you can use the old cd.. just update when you're done |
| 18:46.03 | Lee__ | cause mine sure is. |
| 18:46.05 | rob_ | bucky, yea |
| 18:46.08 | jim | datamodel.png: datamodel.dia |
| 18:46.10 | travail101 | valdyn: is there any solution? |
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| 18:46.20 | jim | and have it know how to make the .png from the .dia |
| 18:46.37 | Draconicus | Alright... I'm having issues that could either be my soundblaster or snd_seq. I don't know which. |
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| 18:46.47 | jim | fortunately... |
| 18:46.49 | travail101 | bucky: I'm not a knoppix user... not in the sense you meant it at least |
| 18:46.54 | jim | I can accomplish this using a pattern rule |
| 18:46.56 | valdyn | travail101: use sarge instead of testing if you are running sarge, don't use security updates if you use testing ( etch ) |
| 18:46.56 | Draconicus | I'm not getting midi output. Any idea? |
| 18:47.03 | jim | which starts like this: |
| 18:47.04 | dae | asg, dpkg doesn't know about this file as far as I can tell. I thought dpkg only knew about installed files, not files resulting from config scripts ? |
| 18:47.10 | jim | %.png: %.dia |
| 18:47.19 | bucky | travail101, if you want support in this channel.. use debain |
| 18:47.37 | djp | netman1: you sir, are a star! edited said file manually and ... everything is looking dandy! thanks a lot. |
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| 18:47.42 | travail101 | valdyn: is there a place I can read up on not using security updates? |
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| 18:47.55 | jim | that says: there would exist a something.dia, and might also exist a SAMEsomething.png |
| 18:48.01 | MrBallZ | what is the command to see the boot log ? dmessage ? |
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| 18:48.05 | travail101 | bucky: that's very open of you |
| 18:48.08 | Lee__ | dmesg |
| 18:48.15 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 18:48.19 | valdyn | travail101: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, comment out ( use "#" at the start of the line ) the security stuff |
| 18:48.39 | Lee__ | travail101: also notice the many, many, many lines in that file that have nothing to do with Debian. |
| 18:48.45 | bucky | travail101, you want us to support every live cd distro ? |
| 18:48.53 | valdyn | travail101: and all zealotry aside, basing a debian install on knoppix is a bad idea. |
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| 18:48.55 | travail101 | valdyn: thanx |
| 18:48.58 | Eulex | yeah, I understand... any combination of a png file as target an a dia file as source will use the command that follows it to create the png... |
| 18:48.58 | djp | what is a good irc client to use? i noticed that an irc client is not installed by default so just through gaim on, as it was the only thing i know of... any better clients? |
| 18:49.13 | Eulex | djp: xchat |
| 18:49.15 | dae | djp, xchat ? |
| 18:49.17 | rei | hey, where can i find an x-chat 2.4.3 package? |
| 18:49.19 | shingouz | djp: apt-cache search irc client |
| 18:49.22 | jim | bucky: it's not necessary to support every one, the commenting out thing is easy enough |
| 18:49.32 | shingouz | rei: apt-get? |
| 18:49.35 | Fixion | when I try to install gnome (or gnome-core) apt says that that package depends on nautilus >=2.8.2 but its not going to be installed, what gives? |
| 18:49.42 | rei | oh...i hadn't thought of that |
| 18:49.42 | bucky | travail101, you still haven't figured it out... change testing to sarge in your security line in sources.list |
| 18:49.46 | jim | rei: maybe you'd have to get the source for it and build it yourself... or maybe not |
| 18:49.46 | rei | im used to fedora, lol |
| 18:49.47 | travail101 | valdyn: I'm trying to remaster a knoppix CD, when I decide to install debian, I will use a real Debian CD... right now I just want a liveCD with the programs I want on it |
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| 18:50.01 | shingouz | rei: are you sure you are on the correct channel then? |
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| 18:50.09 | jim | Eulex: here's the command... |
| 18:50.14 | rei | well, yes |
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| 18:50.24 | jim | %.png: %.dia |
| 18:50.25 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.32 | Oryn | Lee__: I use it |
| 18:50.33 | rei | since im on a debian based linux, and i wanted a .deb x-chat package... |
| 18:50.35 | rei | but apt-get..i'll try that |
| 18:50.35 | Eulex | oh, ok |
| 18:50.39 | Eulex | Lee__: I am too... |
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| 18:50.44 | jim | that indentation (as always in a makefile) HAS to be a tab char |
| 18:50.47 | shingouz | rei: debian based is not debian in anycase |
| 18:50.47 | valdyn | !info xchat |
| 18:50.53 | dae | Lee__, Many people use wireless, myself included |
| 18:50.53 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.3-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 251 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
| 18:50.57 | Lee__ | are the hostap drivers for prism2 chipsets broken in the 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:51.06 | jim | some people don't like that because they can't tell by looking what kind of whitespace it is |
| 18:51.12 | travail101 | bucky: thanx |
| 18:51.15 | bucky | travail101, you don't listen |
| 18:51.26 | drac | Lee__: Checked BTS? |
| 18:51.27 | bucky | travail101, you wasted my time |
| 18:51.27 | travail101 | bucky: ? |
| 18:51.31 | dae | Lee__, hopefully not... Do they appear to be ? |
| 18:51.46 | bucky | travail101, and you choked up the channel with your whining |
| 18:51.46 | shingouz | Lee__: not sure but i had some serious problems trying to make them work on a 2.6.11.11. custom kernel with serious patches though |
| 18:51.48 | Oryn | Lee__: prob, I always see loads of warnings when I build my kernels |
| 18:51.49 | Eulex | jim: ok... so what does $@ and $< mean? |
| 18:51.51 | jim | Eulex, notice the $@ and $< |
| 18:51.57 | jim | :) |
| 18:51.58 | Fixion | so what could cause broken packages? |
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| 18:52.20 | Fixion | why won't apt install the version of nautilus that it needs? |
| 18:52.21 | jim | things that are stronger and heavier than packages? and less fragile |
| 18:52.22 | jim | ? |
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| 18:52.31 | Lee__ | what front ends are people using for their functional wireless cards? |
| 18:52.34 | valdyn | Fixion: if a package is broken, then that is a bug and a mistake by the debian maintainer. check the bts. |
| 18:52.34 | Oryn | Lee__: I use a real access point, you can buy them from ebay for less than 18usd |
| 18:52.45 | Lee__ | Oryn: I have a real AP |
| 18:52.53 | bucky | Lee__, is it a pci card? |
| 18:52.55 | shingouz | Lee__: cli is the best so far |
| 18:53.02 | Oryn | why do you need hostap? |
| 18:53.03 | travail101 | bucky: you did that yourself... last i checked IRC has an ignore feature, all i wanted was someone to take a look, if you guys had no idea how to fix it because it was super-knoppixized, fine, but apparently you do have the answers, maybe you're just greedy and don't like sharing with outsiders... |
| 18:53.08 | Lee__ | the hostap drivers appear to be the only drivers for prism2 chips in sarge |
| 18:53.12 | Fixion | valdyn: whats the bts? Its been broken for at least a week. I've never seen a broken package stay broken that long |
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| 18:53.18 | valdyn | Fixion: if you are using sid, then that's possibly a bug caused by transition(s), you're on your own. |
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| 18:53.23 | bucky | travail101, don't come back until you are running debian |
| 18:53.25 | dae | Lee__, /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 18:53.25 | Oryn | Lee__: oh |
| 18:53.27 | Lee__ | bucky: it's a PCMCIA card for a laptop |
| 18:53.35 | travail101 | bucky: ;-) k |
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| 18:53.41 | Fixion | valdyn: I did apt-get update;apt-get upgrade;apt-get dist-upgrade shouldn't that work? |
| 18:53.41 | bucky | do you have pcmcia installed |
| 18:53.56 | valdyn | Fixion: your obviously don't know what sid is? |
| 18:53.59 | bucky | Lee__ do you have pcmcia installed |
| 18:54.00 | gpm | hey. i'm trying to set up an ipod and i just plugged it in and nothing's showing up in /var/log/messages. i think i have all the drviers loaded...anyone want to help me out? |
| 18:54.04 | Fixion | valdyn: no :) |
| 18:54.11 | Lee__ | bucky cardctl ident and lsmod confirm that the card is recognized by the kernel. |
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| 18:54.17 | Oryn | I have a feeling its the orinoco driver that you need |
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| 18:54.20 | eri-- | hello there |
| 18:54.22 | Fixion | valdyn: I'm using the unstable sources if that makes any difference |
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| 18:54.26 | bucky | Lee__, good |
| 18:54.29 | shingouz | Fixion: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 18:54.33 | Lee__ | Oryn: whay would a prism2 card need an orinoco driver? |
| 18:54.45 | eri-- | how to install debian to use FreeBSD boot manager |
| 18:54.45 | eri-- | ?? |
| 18:54.46 | Lee__ | but I can't scan for access points |
| 18:54.55 | valdyn | Fixion: that is sid, you're on your own to fix this, unstable *always* has packages that are broken, even ( near ) permanently broken. |
| 18:55.02 | Oryn | cos orinoco use the prism2 chipset |
| 18:55.16 | Lee__ | the LED just blinks and iwconfig won't tell me I'm associate with any AP |
| 18:55.17 | shingouz | Lee__: it works with the orinoco but if you are planning on using kismet check www.kismetwireless.net for a lot more information |
| 18:55.26 | aper | hi i want insatll debain 3.1 only use 14 cds ? |
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| 18:55.30 | jetx | hey my computer can't handle the graphics on peewee's playhouse, wtf do i do? |
| 18:55.34 | shingouz | Oryn: wrong, orinoco does not use the prism2 chip |
| 18:55.37 | valdyn | !tell aper about d-i |
| 18:55.58 | jim | jetx: peewee isn't there... he's probably in some movie house... |
| 18:56.00 | jetx | or, how do i tell xine-ui to drop frames |
| 18:56.04 | eri-- | how to install debian not to overwrite my FreeBSD boot manager??? |
| 18:56.10 | Lee__ | shingouz: woah. so a chip set that has a driver that's explicitly built for it doesn't work and a driver made for a different card does work? |
| 18:56.19 | Oryn | shingouz: long time since I used it, but I'm sure thats what I used (I could be wrong) |
| 18:56.21 | Fixion | Lee__: thats not uncommon |
| 18:56.24 | aper | hi i want insatll debain 3.1 , only use 14 cds ? |
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| 18:56.33 | jetx | seriously, i can play movies np, but peewee is too intense for my box |
| 18:56.37 | valdyn | eri--: debian doesn't installed a bootmanager w/o asking you. |
| 18:56.38 | jim | aper: you don't need any CDs |
| 18:56.38 | Lee__ | Fixion: that's retarded. this doesn't seem to be very well documented. |
| 18:56.41 | shingouz | Lee__: you have a prism2 there, kismet does not rfmon prism2 with the orinoci-cs at all |
| 18:56.51 | drac | eri--: When you install Debian, it asks on installtion 'Write Grub to MBR (Master Boot Record)?' and answer 'No.' ? |
| 18:57.05 | eri-- | drac: thx |
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| 18:57.21 | bucky | Lee__, try http://www.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/hostap_20030727.shtml |
| 18:57.23 | dae | Lee__, exactly what kind of card to you have ? |
| 18:57.28 | jim | ok, found it |
| 18:57.32 | Fixion | Lee__: I know, but thats happened to me too. But not like; a completely different driver working, but a related driver that wasn't specifically for the hardware. |
| 18:57.36 | bucky | Lee__, Configuring Your Card To Load On Boot |
| 18:57.38 | valdyn | jetx: rtfm |
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| 18:57.58 | jim | $< is the input file and $@ is the output file |
| 18:57.59 | jetx | valdyn: yeah. i guess it's last resort time... |
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| 18:58.10 | Lee__ | A Linksys WCF12 compact flash card attached to a PCMCIA adaptor |
| 18:58.11 | rob_ | What is a good cd burning application to use on GNOME? |
| 18:58.17 | jetx | k3b |
| 18:58.20 | bucky | Lee__, notice the difference between static and dhcp.. put that in you /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:58.23 | jim | so |
| 18:58.24 | Lee__ | the card works with a 2.4 kernel via Knoppix CD and on the Zaurus. |
| 18:58.25 | valdyn | rob_: gnomebaker, graveman |
| 18:58.41 | bucky | Lee__, ifup wlan0 |
| 18:58.44 | jim | %.png: %.dia |
| 18:58.44 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.51 | aper | jim; new version from debian 3.1 14 cds |
| 18:58.57 | Lee__ | but Sarge + 2.6 kernel == not working...I'll try the network script |
| 18:59.07 | bucky | Lee__, in debian you have to set it up by hand |
| 18:59.11 | bucky | see the url |
| 18:59.14 | Fixion | Lee__: how'd you get a Knoppix CD into a Zaurus? |
| 18:59.16 | valdyn | aper: why don't you just go to www.debian.org and read? |
| 18:59.42 | jim | aper: you still don't need CDs; you can get it all by starting with 2 floppies |
| 18:59.50 | Lee__ | Fixion: two sepperate things. the knoppix cd on the laptop I'm targeting and also on a Zaurus |
| 18:59.54 | Eulex | jim: ok and thanks for the help! I'm gonna go look at a few real makefiles now... |
| 18:59.56 | jetx | hey speaking of, i'm going to delete a client's kid's windows and put debian... but is there a howto for linksys usb wireless? |
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| 19:00.00 | Fixion | Lee__: ah, got it |
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| 19:00.20 | bucky | aper, use the net install iso |
| 19:00.30 | Fixion | if all else fails, use ndiswrapper for the wifi card |
| 19:00.30 | jetx | oh yeah |
| 19:00.34 | bucky | !dpkg install debian |
| 19:00.34 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 19:00.35 | dae | Lee__, A google search seems to indicate that the orinoco_cs driver should work. Is that what you are using ? |
| 19:00.36 | Lee__ | after this I'm quite scared of wireless on Linux |
| 19:00.41 | jim | Eulex: cool :) (so, the -e $@ is telling dia to write that file) |
| 19:01.16 | jim | Eulex: look at info make for the details, and yes look at makefiles |
| 19:01.26 | jim | info make has annotated examples |
| 19:01.39 | Lee__ | dae: should I be using it? I'd like to get real basic "coffee house" style wireless. scan the air for an AP, connect the card to it, get an IP address. |
| 19:01.41 | Eulex | ok, yes I think I found one... |
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| 19:01.53 | nvz | jetx: I would have converted my whole family to debian by now, if it were that simple |
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| 19:02.05 | jim | some makefiles you meet up with at random might have stuff you won't understand... |
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| 19:02.26 | dae | Lee__, Other people seem to have had sucess with your card and that driver, you could try it. |
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| 19:02.32 | jim | but that's not a really big deal... you can deal with that part using the reference now |
| 19:02.43 | Lee__ | dae: thanks for the encouragement. I'll do some reading on google. |
| 19:02.46 | nvz | wireless support in linux still seems to be non-existant. the supported hardware document debian points you to, shows only one wireless card even supported |
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| 19:03.03 | Eulex | jim: ok |
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| 19:03.15 | dae | Lee__, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=74&sort=8&cat=144&page=1 |
| 19:03.28 | Lee__ | and all the web pages talking about wireless speak of a 2.4 kernel |
| 19:03.29 | Quibus | Does someone know what happened to http://security.debian.org ? |
| 19:03.37 | cddesjar | where would kde toys be? |
| 19:03.42 | jim | Eulex: I have a very dead simple example laying around somewhere |
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| 19:03.59 | Eulex | nvz: non-existant? most chipsets are supported, and have you looked at iwtools? |
| 19:04.02 | pwned | is there a known repository for gaim-vv ? |
| 19:04.03 | shingouz | Quibus: security for etch? |
| 19:04.07 | bucky | wireless works fine in linux.. but best with prism based cards |
| 19:04.11 | Lee__ | dae: cheers |
| 19:04.17 | dae | nvz, It's real good idea to pruchase wireless gears for linux AFTER reading up on which cards have working drivers. |
| 19:04.22 | Quibus | shingouz: it worked always for me, before sarge was released |
| 19:04.29 | Quibus | (running 'testing') |
| 19:04.29 | cddesjar | orinoco works great |
| 19:04.30 | shingouz | !etch security |
| 19:04.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch security is that there is no such thing as of yet. comment out the line in your sources.list |
| 19:04.31 | rik_ | Anyone any idea how to make the keyboard volume buttons work the PCM level rather than the master volume please? Thanks. |
| 19:04.34 | nvz | I dont have wireless, everyone else does. I just know what the sarge isntall guide says, and the hardware document it points to says |
| 19:04.39 | Quibus | ok |
| 19:04.50 | rik_ | under gnome (debian/unstable) i should say |
| 19:04.55 | jim | found it |
| 19:04.59 | bucky | Quibus, change testing to sarge |
| 19:05.02 | cddesjar | where are kdetoys located? |
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| 19:05.31 | Lee__ | running the risk of getting flamed, my benchmark for "good wireless support" is based on Apple. That's the one thing I can't criticize them for. It's so plug and play it's almost silly. |
| 19:05.39 | valdyn | cddesjar: dpkg -L kdetoys |
| 19:05.42 | Quibus | thanks folks |
| 19:05.48 | Eulex | what is "K-lined"? |
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| 19:05.56 | cddesjar | ok |
| 19:05.59 | nvz | my brother has an AMD64 system with an nVidia GeForce 5200 FX w/ tv tuner.. he sits up there all day and listens to music, watches and records tv, and chats online. he seems to think that windows xp media center is the only OS capable of doing these things. |
| 19:06.04 | LoRez | Eulex: killed from the network permanently |
| 19:06.06 | bucky | Lee__, if you don't like editing config files by hand you're going to have a hard time with linux |
| 19:06.18 | nvz | other than his linksys usb wireless adapter, his pc seems to be 100% linux compatible |
| 19:06.20 | Lee__ | bucky: I work full time as a sysadmin. thanks. |
| 19:06.31 | pwned | Eulex: it means they are kicking the ass of those turkish bots |
| 19:06.36 | jim | Eulex: http://jam.sessionsnet.org/files/file?file_id=7173 |
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| 19:06.42 | bucky | Lee__, then wireless should be easy for you |
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| 19:06.47 | Lee__ | but wireless on a laptop isn't about a text editor. |
| 19:06.54 | Lee__ | bucky: thanks for the encouragement. |
| 19:06.57 | stelki | Hello, how do I setup my mouse's side-button in X11? I have a middlebutton too, which works (the one on the scroll thing). |
| 19:07.02 | dae | Lee__, The issue is that many vendors don't give out the specs so that the linux community can write the drivers, so a lot of it needs to be reverse engineered. That's why I suggest to check first and buy later, so you don't end up with Broadcom gear for example |
| 19:07.12 | bucky | Lee__, was there something wrong with that link i gave you? |
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| 19:07.23 | jim | look in the whole dir |
| 19:07.34 | Lee__ | bucky: no, I was thanking you |
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| 19:08.17 | nelson | If, at boot time, the kernel printed "usb.c: registered new driver hub", shouldn't it appear in /proc/bus/usb/devices ? |
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| 19:08.28 | nvz | Eulex: /msg dpkg dancer configlines |
| 19:08.47 | Lee__ | here's another thing. the gnome wireless monitor applet seems to find the wlan0 device yet claims there are "no wireless devices found". |
| 19:08.52 | bucky | Lee__, just out of curiosity.. does apple have plug and play support for using a prism card as an AP ? |
| 19:09.09 | jasoncohen | for some reason i can't delete a remote cups printer on my laptop with either kcmshell printmgr or gnome-cups-manager. printmgr doesn't give me the option to delete the printer and gnome-cups-manager just has it re-appear |
| 19:09.24 | Lee__ | bucky: not sure, I don't use OS X much. I would expect it to do that. |
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| 19:09.28 | nvz | hey my fonts are working! (: too bad next time I login they will be fucked again |
| 19:09.28 | aper | i don't need how to install i wana know , did i neeed all 14 cds to install new debain ? |
| 19:09.39 | valdyn | aper: NO |
| 19:09.40 | Ronin | aper: no you don't |
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| 19:09.51 | Lee__ | 99% of OS X users are pushing pixels and chatting |
| 19:09.52 | bucky | !tell aper about install debian |
| 19:09.58 | nvz | aper: if you have a net connection on the box, you dont need any |
| 19:10.05 | valdyn | aper: you got told that about 10 times already.. |
| 19:10.15 | bucky | aper, use the net install iso |
| 19:10.25 | jim | bucky: did you know prism2s have been successfully used in linux APs? |
| 19:10.35 | bucky | yup |
| 19:10.39 | Eulex | jim: I don't seem to be able to grab that file... zero length |
| 19:10.40 | jim | (you must have known... well just in case :) |
| 19:10.47 | jim | ugh |
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| 19:11.01 | Lee__ | using OS X for an AP seems like a silly thing to do |
| 19:11.32 | bucky | well god everything is supposed to be plug and pray |
| 19:11.32 | froze | Looking for info on .Xresources. Settings are not being read after xrdb -merge ~/.Xresource or even a full restart of X. I have tried with only a single line "Xterm*geometry: 210x70" |
| 19:11.53 | jim | Eulex: can I email it to you? |
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| 19:12.36 | Eulex | jim: o'course |
| 19:12.44 | jim | cool... address? |
| 19:12.45 | froze | Geez. nevermind, capitolization error. /me idiot. |
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| 19:13.25 | jasoncohen | i get a "client-error-not-found" when i try to remove the printer in localhost:631 |
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| 19:14.08 | bnoji | Ok. I have a plain config slapd running with a plain samba installation |
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| 19:14.15 | bnoji | Now I need to figure out how to connect them |
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| 19:14.23 | kimo | guys, I need some help. I authenticate with my cisco wlan card using cisco utilities, I get an IP, and all. But I cant surf, it says eth1 is NOT configured !! what needs to be done |
| 19:14.48 | nelson | Do I need to do anything special to turn on USB? |
| 19:14.58 | Lee__ | nelson: that sounds kind of dirty |
| 19:15.04 | nelson | My /proc/bus/usb/devices is empty, but the device as detected at boot time. |
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| 19:15.22 | kimo | nelson: load modules ? |
| 19:15.41 | cahoot | froze: xrdb -query|grep -i xterm doesn't show your line? |
| 19:15.49 | nelson | kimo: that's what I'm expecting, but I wouldn't know where to start. |
| 19:16.00 | rik_ | Hi, I was just wondering if anyone uses gnome-keybinding-properties to enable keyboard volume buttons please? |
| 19:16.03 | Morti | 3 |
| 19:16.05 | jdhutchin1 | kimo, have you tried configuring your card with iwconfig? |
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| 19:16.21 | kimo | nelson: cd /lib/modules/kernel-version ; find . -name "*usb*" |
| 19:16.27 | kimo | jdhutchin1: nopw |
| 19:16.30 | kimo | jdhutchin1: nope |
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| 19:16.38 | froze | cahoot: I found the error as soon as I posted. I had a lowercase t in XTerm* ie Xterm*, thanks though |
| 19:16.42 | kimo | jdhutchin1: first time on wlans :) |
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| 19:16.56 | cddesjar | i like orinoco cards |
| 19:17.07 | cddesjar | they work great with orinoco_cs and hermes driver |
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| 19:17.19 | kimo | jdhutchin1: just outa curiousty, after getting an IP, what needs to be done? I mean what will configuring eth1 do ! |
| 19:17.33 | jim | can linux do g or a access points? |
| 19:17.35 | jdhutchin1 | kimo, the cisco stuff probably doesn't completely configure it correctly |
| 19:17.46 | jdhutchin1 | jim, yes, if you have the right card |
| 19:17.54 | cddesjar | isn't there a laptop net or laptop conf program that can be used to automatically configure your card? |
| 19:18.01 | schrankwand | is there a tool wich try to crack my root-password, that I can see how secure it is? |
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| 19:18.07 | jim | jdhutchin1, what chipset is a good one? |
| 19:18.17 | kimo | schrankwand: john the ripper |
| 19:18.19 | jdhutchin1 | jim, atheros chipsets work well for a and g |
| 19:18.29 | cddesjar | prism 2/2.5 chipsets are good |
| 19:18.41 | jdhutchin1 | but prism2 doesn't do a or g, iirc |
| 19:18.42 | jim | what about prism54? |
| 19:18.55 | cddesjar | oh you're talking about a and g |
| 19:19.09 | cddesjar | i thought you were just talking about chipsets in general |
| 19:19.10 | jim | well, really I'm testing the waters |
| 19:19.17 | schrankwand | thanks, kimo |
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| 19:19.24 | nelson | kimo: hmmm.... modprobed usb-storage and it's happy, but /proc/bus/usb/devices is st8ill empty. |
| 19:19.42 | nelson | and of course lsusb gives me nothing also. |
| 19:19.50 | kimo | nelson: have u plugged in something ? |
| 19:19.57 | cddesjar | nelson: have you added a usb entry to your /etc/fstab file? |
| 19:19.58 | jim | I think I need to do a wireless for upstairs |
| 19:20.19 | nelson | yes, I have a USB flash dongle. |
| 19:20.30 | jim | kinky |
| 19:20.30 | jdhutchin1 | nelson, do you have hotplug enabled? |
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| 19:20.36 | cddesjar | nelson: i needed to make an addition to my fstab file to get it to work |
| 19:20.37 | nelson | cddesjar: that would just cause it to be mountable. First it has to exist. |
| 19:20.46 | bnoji | Are LDAP indices analogous to "search types" ? |
| 19:20.54 | nelson | jdhutchin1: hrm. how would I know? |
| 19:21.07 | jdhutchin1 | nelson, /etc/init.d/hotplug status |
| 19:21.07 | cddesjar | /etc/init.d/hotplug restart |
| 19:21.44 | nelson | seems to be, but bus count is 0. |
| 19:22.06 | schrankwand | how can I find out and alter the algorithm that my system use to encrypt them passwords? |
| 19:22.23 | valdyn | schrankwand: man crypt |
| 19:22.27 | aper | thanks guys for your help |
| 19:22.30 | schrankwand | thanks |
| 19:22.37 | nelson | jdhutchin1: usbcore module is installed. |
| 19:22.48 | jim | schrankwand: also completely explore pam and how it is used in debian |
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| 19:23.53 | nelson | jdhutchin1: hotplug seems to be running, by the usb bus count is 0. That doesn't sound good. |
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| 19:24.06 | kritz | debian supports IA64 platforms; would it work on an EMT64 platform (xeon 64 with ht and dual processing support) |
| 19:24.26 | valdyn | !amd64 |
| 19:24.26 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 19:24.34 | cddesjar | !dpkg |
| 19:24.35 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
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| 19:25.43 | MrBallZ | what is the command to find certain file type .... find / *.mp3 ??? |
| 19:25.44 | kritz | valdyn: I meant EMT64, Intel. |
| 19:25.56 | valdyn | !emt64 |
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| 19:25.57 | Sadus | ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer <---- when trying to access a fresh install debian sarge |
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| 19:26.04 | Sadus | how can i fix this? |
| 19:26.12 | valdyn | kritz: emt64 is intels copy of amd64 |
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| 19:26.46 | kritz | valdyn: yea, i know that; so it would work? |
| 19:26.48 | justin | !tell Sadus about debug sshd |
| 19:26.57 | valdyn | kritz: why dont you read the faq? |
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| 19:27.31 | valdyn | dpkg, emt64 is intel's clone of amd64 ( see also amd64 ) |
| 19:27.31 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 19:27.54 | Sadus | justin: cool, but how can i do that if i can't access the server? |
| 19:28.03 | kritz | valdyn: thank you. |
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| 19:28.31 | EMH_Mark3 | hm where do I get the new apt server addresses? |
| 19:28.46 | valdyn | EMH_Mark3: no such thing |
| 19:28.58 | EMH_Mark3 | meaning what |
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| 19:29.26 | Eulex | EMH_Mark3: what do *you* mean? |
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| 19:30.07 | EMH_Mark3 | how the hell would I know? :] |
| 19:30.16 | EMH_Mark3 | seems non-us.debian.org is gone |
| 19:30.37 | valdyn | EMH_Mark3: just dont try to use non-us, its obsolete, not maintained, pointless. |
| 19:30.39 | EMH_Mark3 | I'm wondering where I should go to get new apt sources |
| 19:30.44 | mrfrenzy | EMH_Mark3: non-us isn't availible for unstable anymore |
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| 19:31.15 | Eulex | EMH_Mark3: read the topic |
| 19:31.16 | bucky | non-us is not available peroid .. see /topic |
| 19:31.25 | Spec | I could've sworn I saw non-us is no more... |
| 19:31.36 | Spec | oh right, in the topic. who wouldn't read the topic? </sarcasm> |
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| 19:31.44 | EMH_Mark3 | I frelling know that, what I don't know is what to use in its place :O |
| 19:31.52 | nelson | So .... no configuration is needed for a 2.4.27 kernel to cause it to make USB devices visible in /proc/bus/usb/devices ? |
| 19:31.55 | valdyn | EMH_Mark3: nothing, remove it |
| 19:31.57 | Spec | EMH_Mark3: nothing |
| 19:32.05 | EMH_Mark3 | cool, rm /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 19:32.09 | EMH_Mark3 | yeah that'll work well |
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| 19:32.15 | Spec | EMH_Mark3: cryptographic packages are now in the normal repository, not in non-us |
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| 19:32.45 | EMH_Mark3 | ic |
| 19:32.50 | Spec | umm |
| 19:32.53 | Spec | if you want to continue using woody |
| 19:32.55 | EMH_Mark3 | what about security.debian.org for testing |
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| 19:33.12 | Spec | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ woody main non-free contrib |
| 19:33.18 | madclicker | help with chown. how can i "chown -R $username $groupname *" in the home dir? |
| 19:33.23 | fabuian | how to install pygtk for python2.4 ...seems like there arent any deb packages for it? |
| 19:33.45 | Spec | madclicker: in the home dir? |
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| 19:34.15 | madclicker | Spec: /home/"a bunch of user directories" owned by root |
| 19:34.24 | jetx | ok donde esta el wifi howto |
| 19:34.34 | justin | Sadus: what do you get if you telnet to the srever on the ssh port |
| 19:34.42 | prog | EMH_Mark3, security for testing never worked to statisfy linuxship |
| 19:34.49 | Spec | cd /home;chown -R $username:$groupname $username |
| 19:34.53 | EMH_Mark3 | madclicker: something like for i in 'ls' do chown -R $i /home/$i; chgrp -R $i /home/$i ; done |
| 19:34.55 | cddesjar | jfgi.com |
| 19:35.00 | Sadus | justin: Escape character is '^]'. |
| 19:35.00 | Sadus | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 19:35.11 | jetx | no creo jfgi.com es bueno |
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| 19:35.20 | Spec | that works |
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| 19:35.29 | EMH_Mark3 | prog: so it's gone now? I should just use http.us.debian.org testing? |
| 19:35.29 | madclicker | EMH_Mark3: thanks a bunch |
| 19:35.38 | Spec | testing is etch i think |
| 19:35.48 | Spec | you might want to use stable... (sarge) |
| 19:35.49 | jetx | si testing esta etch |
| 19:36.06 | cddesjar | oops i mean it's www.jfgi.us |
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| 19:36.13 | cddesjar | it's my fav site :) |
| 19:36.31 | justin | Sadus: use hosts.deny/hosts.allow at all? |
| 19:36.34 | jetx | !fgi www.jfgi.us |
| 19:36.37 | madclicker | EMH_Mark3: i don't know why, altough i keep reading the "GNU Bash" book, some parts of this line I understand but some don't make sense. :( |
| 19:36.45 | Sadus | justin: nothing |
| 19:36.54 | Spec | wait, there's still a non-us for woody :) |
| 19:36.54 | EMH_Mark3 | madclicker: I probably got the syntax wrong heh. gimme a sec |
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| 19:37.18 | prog | EMH_Mark3, im not sure, have not had tried it, but security team doesn`t care of security for testing not very well |
| 19:37.20 | Quickimaster | hello |
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| 19:37.45 | Quickimaster | any one an idea how to do a trace whit a debian server? |
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| 19:38.07 | Eulex | Quickimaster: traceroute? |
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| 19:38.26 | valdyn | Q |
| 19:38.27 | nelson | Quickimaster: strace ? |
| 19:38.50 | Quickimaster | traceroute |
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| 19:39.12 | Spec | EMH_Mark3: for i in `ls`; do chown -R $i /home/$i; chgrp -R $i /home/$i; done |
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| 19:39.26 | Spec | or |
| 19:39.26 | EMH_Mark3 | madclicker: cd /home; for i in `ls -1` ; do chown -R $i /test/$i/ ; chgrp -R $i /test/$i/ ; done |
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| 19:39.29 | madclicker | EMH_Mark3: i think chown can do both "$username.$groupname) |
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| 19:39.41 | Eulex | Quickimaster: apt-get install traceroute |
| 19:39.41 | Spec | EMH_Mark3: for i in `ls`; do chown -R $i:$i /home/$i; done |
| 19:39.46 | valdyn | Spec: for i in * |
| 19:39.46 | EMH_Mark3 | uh.. /home not /test |
| 19:39.47 | Quickimaster | thank you |
| 19:39.49 | jim | or user:group |
| 19:39.50 | Quickimaster | it works |
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| 19:39.54 | Quickimaster | great |
| 19:40.04 | jetx | alguien queire ayuda mi! |
| 19:40.05 | Spec | err, shouldn't for i in `ls` work, too? |
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| 19:40.14 | Spec | if you're in /home |
| 19:40.19 | Lee__ | yeah. Kismet works...I wonder if that means managed client mode will work? |
| 19:40.27 | Spec | i mean, i did it, and it worked, so i'm assuming it -should- work, otherwise it's a bug ;) |
| 19:40.33 | jetx | hell i don't even rate an !es |
| 19:40.41 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:40.45 | stelki | Hello, shouldnt this: " Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6"", let my side mouse button work as button 6, and not as the middle button? (button 5) |
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| 19:40.53 | Lee__ | how would I modify the hostap_cs driver to not operate in AP mode? |
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| 19:40.55 | valdyn | Spec: using ls is bad, since format codes ( like color ), spaces, characters that need to be escaped will confuse this |
| 19:41.03 | Lee__ | I don't think I need the wifi0 interface |
| 19:41.08 | Spec | valdyn: makes sense |
| 19:41.13 | EMH_Mark3 | valdyn: not if you use ls -1 |
| 19:41.23 | stelki | (X11) |
| 19:41.26 | justin | Lee__: set the mode with iwconfig |
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| 19:41.49 | valdyn | EMH_Mark3: my ls -1 is colored |
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| 19:41.50 | EMH_Mark3 | tho it will probably frell up with spaces |
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| 19:42.07 | EMH_Mark3 | ah. well for i in * then |
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| 19:42.45 | madclicker | Spec: "for i in `ls`" what does this line mean? |
| 19:42.59 | Spec | it means for every entry found in the command 'ls', |
| 19:42.59 | jetx | for i in * isn't it |
| 19:43.03 | jetx | ah |
| 19:43.05 | jetx | cool |
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| 19:43.07 | EMH_Mark3 | means for every line in the output of the ls command |
| 19:43.10 | MrBallZ | any good HDD external usb 2 whatever enclosure / thumb drive guide , to have it like in knoppix ... ??? |
| 19:43.14 | Quickimaster | thank you all for the help |
| 19:43.16 | Quickimaster | later |
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| 19:43.23 | Spec | `` is grav accent, it replaces whatever is inside of `` with the output of the command run |
| 19:43.42 | Spec | ie: echo `python -c 'print moo'' will echo the 'moo' that python prints out |
| 19:43.44 | Lee__ | justin: I mean automatically. I'm never going to use this laptop as an AP. |
| 19:43.49 | Whitman | hi, how can i stop a cron job from sending a mail when it's done? |
| 19:44.02 | Lee__ | there's no /etc/default/hostap file |
| 19:44.06 | justin | Lee__: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:44.06 | Eulex | Whitman: modify it?? |
| 19:44.10 | jetx | mi sarge dvd no `burn` ayuda mi! |
| 19:44.16 | jim | madclicker: ` whatever ` means: "textually replace ` whatever ` with the output of that command so that it could later be looked at as input to anohter command" |
| 19:44.20 | jetx | alguien tienes amor para mi! |
| 19:44.23 | justin | Lee__: hostap is the only driver that supports your card? |
| 19:44.24 | jetx | adios |
| 19:44.26 | Lee__ | that'll call iwconfig lines? |
| 19:44.32 | Lee__ | justin: yes. I tried orinoco_cs |
| 19:44.34 | valdyn | Whitman: doesn't "done" imply "has stopped" ? |
| 19:44.46 | EMH_Mark3 | no, it means it's the end of the for block |
| 19:45.00 | EMH_Mark3 | like #if #endif or if fi |
| 19:45.03 | Whitman | well, yes, it's a script to check that a certain process is running, and if not start it up again |
| 19:45.09 | jim | so "for i in `ls` ..." is the same as "for i in * ..." |
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| 19:45.17 | Whitman | it's set to run every 2mins so every 2mins I get an email from cron |
| 19:45.18 | Spec | EMH_Mark3: or in the case of python, random indentations! :) |
| 19:45.28 | valdyn | jim: that is *not* the same, "ls" there is stupid. |
| 19:45.38 | justin | Lee__: yep, just put wireless_mode managed inthere |
| 19:45.45 | jim | you can also try "for in in ayyy beee ceee wunnn tooo free ..." |
| 19:45.47 | Spec | ls works, but * is a better alternative |
| 19:46.00 | madclicker | jim;Set:EMH_Mark3: thanks guys, am going to practice this one a bit. bash is a sweet tool if you know how to abuse it fully. :) |
| 19:46.05 | jim | valdyn: no, it's the same result |
| 19:46.23 | jim | that is, a sorted list of the non-hidden files in the dri |
| 19:46.25 | jim | dir |
| 19:46.54 | valdyn | jim: try this after your made a few files with a whitespace in them |
| 19:46.55 | jim | maybe `ls` is less efficient |
| 19:47.03 | EMH_Mark3 | madclicker: btw next time you copy your home folder make sure to copy with ownership :) (tar them instead of zipping them) |
| 19:47.35 | jim | valdyn: oh, ok |
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| 19:47.35 | joel_ | yea, or cp -p |
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| 19:47.58 | madclicker | EMH_Mark3: roger |
| 19:48.29 | greenpenguin | apparently if you mention ubuntu on here you get 'triggered' |
| 19:48.42 | greenpenguin | nothing happened yet... |
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| 19:49.00 | jim | valdyn: so * works and ls does not, in the presence of whitespace? |
| 19:49.01 | greenpenguin | ah brilliant |
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| 19:49.32 | valdyn | jim: correct ( or if your ls will color output even in scripts ) |
| 19:49.44 | jim | right |
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| 19:49.50 | greenpenguin | how odd |
| 19:49.52 | bnoji | When using ldapadd, what password is it prompting for fir simple auth? |
| 19:50.13 | jim | maybe the admin user's |
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| 19:50.48 | MrBallZ | Question: How do I do this , or where??? : CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS=y ( what I need to do is enable the Automounter on the kernel ) |
| 19:51.08 | jim | MrBallZ: well you'd config the kernel source |
| 19:51.08 | greenpenguin | (20:48:56) ***Morti triggers greenpenguin and...? nothing happened? |
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| 19:51.39 | binaryc | i am thinking about creating a ramdisk at boot using 2 old 256 ddr300 mhz chips i have collecting dust, would it be possible to throw firefox and open office in a ram disk at boot ? |
| 19:52.09 | Morti | Why would it? |
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| 19:52.30 | MrBallZ | jim: how can i do it ... |
| 19:52.35 | greenpenguin | I have a question about ubuntu... |
| 19:52.44 | Eulex | MrBallZ: make xconfig or make menuconfig when standing in the kernel source directory |
| 19:52.44 | rkreider | Anyone pretty decent with wireless networkinG? |
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| 19:52.57 | Eulex | rkreider: I know a bit |
| 19:53.04 | pipeline | binaryc: Sure, but how would that be faster than just using the memory for its intended purpose? |
| 19:53.05 | rkreider | I'm trying to ping from one wireless device to another. |
| 19:53.20 | MrBallZ | Eulex: im a total n00b when it comes to tweaking the kernell , but if you tell me more or less , how to , i do it ... |
| 19:53.23 | MrBallZ | =) |
| 19:54.15 | Eulex | MrBallZ: I'm a quite a noob to, but if you do make xconfig or make menuconfig in the kernel source directory, you'll be presented with a configuration interface for the kernel |
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| 19:54.28 | binaryc | pipeline- i would like to have firefox and OO sitting in ram at all times, because i don't use them often but when i need them i want it quick and the firefox would lose all history at each boot |
| 19:54.42 | Eulex | MrBallZ: I'd recommend that you find yourslef a decent debian kernel-compiling how-to |
| 19:54.49 | phanter | hello, wierd thing here. i just installed my debian server (3.1). When installing it had network after the reboot it does not have the network anymore. What can I do? |
| 19:54.52 | Eulex | rkreider: without an ap? |
| 19:54.53 | valdyn | binaryc: why don't you just automatically start those 2 apps? |
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| 19:55.12 | MrBallZ | Eulex: ok, ill have to find one ... the only thing I need to do is turn ON the Automount ... |
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| 19:55.25 | valdyn | binaryc: also, in case you didn't realise this, disk usage is only part of making applications startup time |
| 19:55.25 | binaryc | valdyn- would that keep them in ram at all times ? |
| 19:55.31 | rkreider | Eulex, I'm trying to set up a bridge. |
| 19:55.31 | Eulex | MrBallZ: re-compiling is still necessary, afaik |
| 19:55.40 | valdyn | binaryc: as long as they don't get swapped out. |
| 19:55.42 | S4nD3r_ | hey... |
| 19:55.46 | rkreider | This just isn't wanting to cooperate. |
| 19:55.48 | rkreider | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.56 | pipeline | binaryc: It would be equally effective and much more efficient to just start firefox as a non-privileged user on boot. |
| 19:56.05 | S4nD3r_ | How do I umount my floppy disk??? I tried umount, but gives a messages as this is busy.. |
| 19:56.05 | Eulex | ok... I don't know much about that... you may need to put them into ad-hoc mode |
| 19:56.20 | S4nD3r_ | I tried fuser /media/floppy doesnt show any process |
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| 19:57.08 | MrBallZ | Eulex: ok ,.... so i need a how to for recompiling the kernell |
| 19:57.12 | binaryc | pipeline- alright i will give that a shot then sounds easier than my idea, where can i go to learn about starting a program on boot ? |
| 19:57.18 | jasoncohen | phanter, someone complained about that yesterday. his solution was to switch from discover to some other tool |
| 19:57.33 | phanter | jasoncohen, what other tool? |
| 19:57.54 | Eulex | S4nD3r: that means that some process is in that directory... having a xterm with the current directory at the floppy mounting point is enough |
| 19:58.03 | jasoncohen | phanter, let me check my logs |
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| 19:58.55 | Eulex | MrBallZ: yes |
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| 19:59.11 | MrBallZ | Or , how could i check if i have it enabled already ???? |
| 19:59.21 | MrBallZ | i mean ,the automount enabled on the kernell ... |
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| 19:59.29 | S4nD3r_ | Eulex, How solve it ? |
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| 20:01.15 | Eulex | S4nD3r_: find the app/process and make it go out from that dir... |
| 20:01.37 | S4nD3r_ | no one |
| 20:01.38 | S4nD3r_ | I didt |
| 20:01.50 | jasoncohen | phanter, you might want to also run dpkg-reconfigure discover |
| 20:01.58 | Eulex | MrBallZ: check config-version in /boot |
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| 20:02.13 | nvz | I don't suppose linux can create an NTFS partition? |
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| 20:02.27 | Eulex | S4nD3r_: then I dunno |
| 20:02.29 | jasoncohen | phanter, actually dpkg-reconfigure discover1 |
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| 20:03.11 | Eulex | MrBallZ: where version is the kernel version you're using... these files contain the kernel config the debian stock kernels were built with |
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| 20:04.05 | Eulex | nv |
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| 20:04.33 | Eulex | nvz: creating a partition is always best done with the operating system that's going to use it... |
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| 20:04.46 | MrBallZ | ls |
| 20:04.51 | eike | hi! is there an X application to define keyboard layouts? |
| 20:05.09 | Eulex | nvz: so create the partition with winblows |
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| 20:05.48 | Eulex | eike: xmodmap? |
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| 20:05.59 | Eulex | anyway, gotta go for a while... soon back |
| 20:06.06 | jim | when I put a blank cd in my writer, (having upgraded sarge recently) it opens a window called "CD/DVD Creator" |
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| 20:06.40 | MrBallZ | Eulex, in the /boot directory I have 4 files config-2.4.27-2-686 initrd.img-2.4.27-2-686 System.map-2.4.27-2-686 vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 20:06.44 | eike | i didn't know xmodmal, but it doesn't seem to have a gui, right? |
| 20:07.07 | jim | I used to use xcdroast to write |
| 20:07.21 | jim | but it's saying "illegal write mode" |
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| 20:07.39 | djp | can somebody point me in the direction of a howto with regards digital cameras? i can mount my camera manually, but i want it to auto mount when i turn the camera on |
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| 20:08.23 | mr_clark | Hi. I'm trying to add a manual route at boot time. I've added 'up route add -host x.x.x.x gw y.y.y.y' |
| 20:08.26 | mr_clark | That doesn't work. |
| 20:08.35 | mr_clark | I've read the man file but can't figure it out. |
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| 20:08.46 | eike | Eulex|BBS: i thought of something wit a gui, probably showing a keyboard... |
| 20:08.54 | streuner | djp: have you ever tried gphoto2? |
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| 20:09.37 | djp | streuner: is that a command line program? |
| 20:09.47 | streuner | djp: yes |
| 20:09.54 | jasoncohen | phanter: try apt-get install discover1 and then run discover\ |
| 20:10.01 | jasoncohen | *discover |
| 20:10.12 | streuner | !info gphoto2 |
| 20:10.14 | dpkg | gphoto2: (The gphoto2 digital camera command-line client), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.1.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 126 kB, Installed size: 692 kB |
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| 20:10.30 | marstewel | !info gradm2 |
| 20:10.33 | dpkg | gradm2: (Administration program for the grsecurity2 RBAC based ACL system), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 140 kB, Installed size: 440 kB |
| 20:10.41 | djp | streuner: is that the best way to use dig cameras with debian? |
| 20:11.08 | streuner | djp: i like it |
| 20:11.26 | jim | rebooting |
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| 20:11.36 | streuner | djp: easy and fast access to your camera |
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| 20:12.12 | schrankwand | Is there a better alternative for wget? |
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| 20:12.39 | quiet_ | isn't the command "dpkg-reconfigure apt" ?? |
| 20:13.11 | streuner | quiet: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:13.18 | overnout | schrankwand: what is better for you ? |
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| 20:13.22 | quiet_ | reset my apt sources |
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| 20:13.33 | streuner | quiet: apt-setup |
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| 20:13.42 | streuner | quiet: reset? |
| 20:13.46 | quiet_ | duh... thanks |
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| 20:14.20 | streuner | quiet: apt-setup setting your /etc/apt/sources.list up |
| 20:14.25 | MrBallZ | Eulex, in the /boot directory I have 4 files config-2.4.27-2-686 initrd.img-2.4.27-2-686 System.map-2.4.27-2-686 vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 20:14.34 | quiet_ | streuner, yes, thanks |
| 20:14.46 | schrankwand | Overfiend: something wich hasn't to download from beginning if the connection get lost |
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| 20:14.54 | spiderworm | hi all, what would the differences be between the nagios-text, nagios-mysql, and nagios-pgsql packages? it sounds like it would be logging of events in text files, a mysql database, or pgsql database, am i right? would it be more reliable to go the text file or mysql route? |
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| 20:16.31 | nelson | schrankwand: you can tell wget to restart a transfer. |
| 20:16.46 | crashbg | berzerka, i did it are you here??? |
| 20:16.48 | overnout | schrankwand: wget -c <url> continues |
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| 20:17.06 | Overfiend | schrankwand: what? |
| 20:17.33 | overnout | schrankwand: -c, --continue resume getting a partially-downloaded file. |
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| 20:18.31 | schrankwand | Overfiend: sorry it wasn't for you I have you confused with overnout |
| 20:18.38 | schrankwand | thanks, overnout |
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| 20:18.41 | binaryc | anyone have any idea when nautilus will be completely in sid ? |
| 20:18.57 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know if I am logged in as root is there any way I can use smbpasswd to FIND someones password instead of fucking changing it? |
| 20:19.05 | Overfiend | schrankwand: ah, okay. np. |
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| 20:20.53 | streuner | Overfiend: did you see gravity lately? |
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| 20:21.11 | quiet_ | i keep getting 'cannot access security updates' from a new testing install |
| 20:21.28 | streuner | quiet: there arent any for testing... |
| 20:21.30 | Ronin | quiet_: thats because theres no security updates yet for etch |
| 20:21.36 | Eulex | MrBallZ: open the config-2.4.27-2-686 file and search for whatever kernel config option you were searching for |
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| 20:21.54 | quiet_ | ok... so when there are some.. it will be fine? |
| 20:22.07 | Eulex | eike: no, xmodmap hasn't got any gui... I don't know of any with a gui... try searching for one in the repository |
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| 20:22.47 | streuner | quiet: No, if you running sarge comment the line |
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| 20:23.57 | streuner | quiet_: if you just writing new sources.list change all lines to testing or etch (desktop system) |
| 20:23.58 | ralf | but etch is already being updated? i see only small packages changes |
| 20:23.58 | quiet_ | I'm just using 'testing' |
| 20:24.13 | quiet_ | they do say testing |
| 20:24.15 | TNKS | hi all. I was wondering, is there a compelling reason to enable frame buffer devices? |
| 20:24.21 | toonX | any idea what this means ? dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libfglrx_gamma.1 not recognized . I'm trying to build deb packages from the ati source driver |
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| 20:24.35 | streuner | quiet_: ok, no need for security.d.o lines there... |
| 20:24.57 | quiet_ | security.d.o ?? |
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| 20:25.05 | Eulex | TNKS: maybe if you want a framebuffer console? |
| 20:25.11 | streuner | ralf: needs some time till most packages coming from sid |
| 20:25.25 | ralf | i have another pc with sid |
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| 20:25.33 | toonX | i'v installed the ia32-libs , but it seems i'm still missing this file libfakeroot-sysv.so.0 |
| 20:25.35 | streuner | quiet_: deb http://security.debian.org / blahblah |
| 20:25.39 | ralf | there isn't xorg yet |
| 20:25.46 | toonX | and fakeroot is installed |
| 20:25.51 | ralf | and dpkg give me a useless link |
| 20:25.52 | TNKS | Eulex, I'm a little new to frame buffers, but when I loaded module, it seemed to allow me to have a smaller-font console |
| 20:26.07 | quiet_ | streuner, right... so it shouldn't be there? |
| 20:26.11 | zOap | !debian-no |
| 20:26.11 | dpkg | hmm... debian-no is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 20:26.13 | Eulex | TNKS: no not small font, higher resolution |
| 20:26.17 | anubis_EOA | i've installed qmail and for some reason decided to manually try and delete it, dpkg is running the previous pre-installation/removal scripts and is encountering errors. |
| 20:26.19 | streuner | quiet: no |
| 20:26.24 | TNKS | Eulex, yeah, sorry, that's what I meant. |
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| 20:26.37 | quiet_ | streuner, i thought testing got security updates but unstabe didn't? |
| 20:26.42 | iggy__ | hello i got a mysql install problem |
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| 20:26.50 | Eulex | TNKS: I've got a nice 1024x768 framebuffer console :) |
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| 20:26.58 | anubis_EOA | ->> i've installed qmail and for some reason decided to manually try and delete it, dpkg is running the previous pre-installation/removal scripts and is encountering errors. how can i make dpkg not read the pre scripts? |
| 20:26.59 | TNKS | Eulex, so is does the console detect when a frame buffer is available and make use of it? |
| 20:27.11 | streuner | quiet_: its the same with testing, security patches are in the packages itself in testing and unstable |
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| 20:27.16 | TNKS | Eulex, how do you specify the resolution explicitly? |
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| 20:27.39 | SvenG | anyone know a name of some tool to test a network card? |
| 20:27.41 | quiet_ | streuner, oh okay.. so until it freezes... there are none.. right? |
| 20:27.46 | Eulex | TNKS: you have to add kernel options for that... and what you want to add depends on what framebuffer driver you wanna use |
| 20:27.47 | iggy__ | after install i run myssql_install_db it run's but with show database i have none |
| 20:27.58 | streuner | quiet: yes |
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| 20:28.02 | quiet_ | streuner, thanks |
| 20:28.05 | ralf | SvenG: mii-tool? |
| 20:28.07 | joel_ | TNKS: if you use lilo, just specify a vga mode in lilo.conf |
| 20:28.17 | ralf | SvenG: or install nictools-pci |
| 20:28.18 | TNKS | Eulex, is there a performance overhead with frame buffers, and can XFree benefit from frame buffers? |
| 20:28.20 | resiak | X's beep (and the console beep) don't work because I've never managed to make the internal speaker on this laptop work. This makes making (for instance) mutt beep on new mail somewhat difficult. Is there a way to make X do (say) `alsaplayer foo.ogg` for beeps? |
| 20:28.43 | Eulex | TNKS: what resolution do you want? what gfx card do you have? may it support vesa vbe 2 |
| 20:28.57 | SvenG | there are two networks card in this PC - and the one i'm using seems to be real flakey.. |
| 20:29.01 | greg_work | is there anything like pam_abl in the repository? alternatively, do I just have to install libpam0g-dev to compile pam_abl? |
| 20:29.03 | TNKS | joel_, is the VGA mode specification in LILO independant of frame buffers, and if so, is this available for grub? |
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| 20:29.18 | green_earz | SvenG: network traffic monitor ?? if so nload or iptraf |
| 20:29.24 | Eulex | TNKS: frame buffer haven't got any hw acceleration... there's a frame buffer x server somewhere, but it's slow, because of no hw acceleration |
| 20:29.27 | TNKS | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.48 | joel_ | TNKS: I don't know how to do it with grub yet, recently switched.. you can switch on the fly with fbset though, just to play around |
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| 20:29.55 | SvenG | the network card is up, then down, and then again it isn't even visible |
| 20:29.59 | SvenG | really really strange |
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| 20:30.10 | Eulex | TNKS: it's available for grub too... for that gfx card radeonfb or vesafb would do... |
| 20:30.13 | Eulex | I think |
| 20:30.29 | SvenG | we are rebooting the PC with knoppix now... any test tools for networks cards onboard a knoppix? |
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| 20:30.43 | TNKS | Eulex, all right, so it seems that radeonfb is really just going to get me a high-res console, and beyond that not much more. |
| 20:30.55 | Eulex | TNKS: yes |
| 20:31.04 | stelki_ | hello, anybody know of a blowjob.pl for xchat, that is 100% compatible with the one for irssi? IE I can write msgs and they will understand? |
| 20:31.06 | TNKS | Eulex, just checking if there was some added benefit I was missing. |
| 20:31.15 | resiak | stelki_: Why are you asking in here? |
| 20:31.23 | Eulex | TNKS: you could even run some graphical programs in the console |
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| 20:31.37 | stelki_ | resiak, where else would I ask :x |
| 20:31.43 | Eulex | TNKS: sdl supports running on a framebuffer... and so does mplayer, and links2 |
| 20:31.43 | streuner | stelki_: #xchat |
| 20:31.46 | green_earz | SvenG: move one of cards onto a different pci slot, may be a conflict with the irq ?? worth a try |
| 20:31.52 | resiak | stelki_: Erm, #xchat seems at least _slightly_ more sensible. |
| 20:32.02 | streuner | stelki_: but anyway most perl and python scripts are written for 2.x.x |
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| 20:32.17 | stelki_ | alrighty cool |
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| 20:32.50 | SvenG | green_earz: stuff card into another slot... ok will try this later, too |
| 20:33.37 | anubis_EOA | can someone tell me, how do you manually change the status of an installed package |
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| 20:34.17 | green_earz | SvenG: may help ?? worth a try |
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| 20:34.38 | SvenG | ralf: ok... we got kanotix up - and it has mii-tool on it. how to use this tool properly? |
| 20:34.43 | cuse | Hi! I need the file vmlinux (not vmlinuz) for profiling applications. Where can I enable that? I can't find it on the Linux kernel configuration. |
| 20:34.46 | Eulex | anubis_EOA: why would you want that? |
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| 20:34.58 | SvenG | ralf: "mii-tool -w eth0" did not seem to work well |
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| 20:35.18 | zeroC | does anyone use an technisat skystar2? |
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| 20:35.26 | TNKS | Thanks for the feedback regarding frame buffers. How do I rmmod radeonfb? I'm not sure how to make the consoles stop using them so that I can remove the module. |
| 20:35.29 | ralf | SvenG: i dunno, i only know that it sets NICs parameters |
| 20:35.33 | SvenG | green_earz: right now we want to try some software tests on the hardware. ripping out hardware comes later ;-) |
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| 20:35.41 | shizz | I need help configuring my network, anyone able to help? (two debian systems, running GNOME) |
| 20:35.42 | anubis_EOA | Eulex: :-( cos i deleted some key postfix files and the dpkg install won't work |
| 20:35.50 | Eulex | TNKS: I've never done that |
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| 20:36.15 | cuse | zeroC: thats the USB version right? if yes forget it, doesnt work (yet) with Linux |
| 20:36.26 | EmleyMoor | I'm about to try installing a local build of cdrdao (with gcdmaster) - last time I did it, cdrdao would run but not do anything but drop back to prompt - no error message... can anyone advise on why that would happen? |
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| 20:36.38 | TNKS | Eulex, if I can't unload the module, then I might as well compile it into the kernel. |
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| 20:36.46 | cuse | zeroC: theres some code in place, but its not done yet |
| 20:36.58 | TNKS | Eulex, but it seems that there should be a way. |
| 20:37.03 | Overfiend | streuner: he went on a forced vacation |
| 20:37.11 | Eulex | TNKS: you can avoid loading it next time... I've never tried, it maye very well be possible |
| 20:37.13 | anubis_EOA | Eulex: do you have any idea how i would bo about changing the status so it would just overwrite as if it wasn't there? |
| 20:37.16 | Overfiend | streuner: left an essential part of his laptop at the Sarge release party in his vicinity |
| 20:37.37 | Overfiend | streuner: but I'm working on xorg-x11 right now, if that's what you're concerned about :) |
| 20:37.45 | Eulex | anubis_EOA: nope... sorry... |
| 20:37.51 | streuner | Overfiend: right :-) |
| 20:37.57 | anubis_EOA | Eulex: tnx neway |
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| 20:40.22 | ptlis | Heh, GNAA troll. |
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| 20:40.48 | g-FM`zeroC | cuse still there? |
| 20:41.01 | cuse | g-FM`zeroC: yep |
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| 20:41.22 | Ronin | now ptlis its not nice to make fun of the handicapped |
| 20:41.23 | g-FM`zeroC | n1... did u read my last post?? |
| 20:41.26 | Eulex | cuse: vmlinuz is just a gzipped vmlinux |
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| 20:42.21 | moi | hey, i try to install my own 2.6.11 kernel under debian sid. i can't remember the packets name which has to be installed to avaoid the "depmod" erros. can someone help me |
| 20:42.57 | cuse | Eulex: that was also my assumption but the oprofile FAQ says that i have to recompile the kernel if theres only a vmlinuz but not a vmlinux file, so.... |
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| 20:43.44 | cuse | Eulex: http://oprofile.sourceforge.net/faq/ |
| 20:43.47 | maher | moi: module-init-tools? |
| 20:43.55 | dj1 | ok, i am being told that i should report a bug, due to the fact that my digital camera, which connects as a usb device does not automount when connected under sarge 3.1. using other distros it has always worked 'out of the box' so to speak. i have only ever had experience with suse, fc3 and ubuntu mind. |
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| 20:44.06 | Eulex | cuse: hmm... have you tried just un-gzipping it? |
| 20:44.21 | cuse | Eulex: mmm... no? :D |
| 20:44.25 | cuse | i try |
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| 20:44.40 | moi | maher, ah, that could it be, i might remember that name |
| 20:45.24 | Eulex | cuse: I dunno, it sounds strange, so I suggest you just try to un-gzipz it and see what happens |
| 20:45.25 | moi | maher: is there a faster way then make clean bzImage modules modules_install if i, for example, just installed one new module |
| 20:45.33 | drac | dj1: Lies. Debian doesn't have automount or similar software automatically installed but you can install it. |
| 20:45.45 | moi | maher: it everytime compiles everything from the beginning |
| 20:45.53 | cuse | Eulex: "gunzip: vmlinuz: not in gzip format" |
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| 20:46.03 | maher | dj1: do you have automount set up? |
| 20:46.04 | Eulex | cuse: and if you don't wanna do kernel profiling you don't have to care about it... |
| 20:46.16 | maher | moi: omit clean |
| 20:46.20 | Dr_O | dj1: if the camera presends itself as a USB mass storage device (ie like a disk drive) then you are best to edit /etc/fstab to get it working... Then you could submit a wishlist bug if you like... |
| 20:46.27 | dj1 | drac: thought so |
| 20:46.34 | Eulex | cuse: then maybe it was bzipped??? or maybe it's in some special format... I dunno |
| 20:46.51 | Draconicus | Erm... how do I install kernel source again? |
| 20:46.52 | moi | maher: k thanks |
| 20:46.58 | dj1 | maher: i don't think so. to be honest i wouldn't know. i think giving debian a try maybe a little out of my depth... |
| 20:47.21 | cuse | Eulex: nope, not a bzip2 file either |
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| 20:47.34 | cuse | Eulex: thanks anyway |
| 20:47.50 | Eulex | cuse: yw... then I'm afraid you have to recompile your kernel... |
| 20:47.51 | maher | dj1: on a fresh install i would expect hotplug to be installed - so if your camera is a usb-mass-storage device it should automatically be assigned /dev/sda or soemthing |
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| 20:48.16 | maher | dj1: you should eb able to install something to do automount but I don't know what offhand... |
| 20:48.17 | Draconicus | Wait... |
| 20:48.17 | cuse | Eulex: the question is just how.... i havent found anything useful so far in the config |
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| 20:48.38 | Dr_O | dj1: if it is /dev/sda1 the add list line to /etc/fstab "/dev/sda1 /media/USB-Storage vfat owner,users,noauto,rw 0 0" |
| 20:48.53 | Eulex | cuse: how to compile a kernel? find yourself a good debian kernel-compile how-to |
| 20:49.00 | thorie | anyone here use spamassassin? |
| 20:49.08 | Draconicus | I have kernel source for my previous kernel in /lib/modules/, but not my new one. I've forgotten how to obtain this. Could somebody remind me? I know it's a package of some kind.. |
| 20:49.19 | Eulex | cuse: make sure it does it the debian way... that way you get a debian package |
| 20:49.20 | Dr_O | dj1: then "mkdir /media/USB-Storage" and then login using gnome and click on the computer icon |
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| 20:49.50 | Eulex | Draconicus: apt-get install kernel-source-version |
| 20:50.13 | maher | dj1: do you have gnome-volume-manager installed? |
| 20:50.20 | cuse | Eulex: oh, I know the Debian way how to compile very well, I just dont find an option neither in .config nor in make-kpkg to create vmlinux |
| 20:50.29 | Eulex | Draconicus: then you get a tarball in /usr/src, which you then can untar and unbzip2 |
| 20:50.43 | rkreider | go michael jackson go! |
| 20:50.57 | dj1 | maher: yes, but it is not working and when i tried to start it it told me hal was not running so it could not start |
| 20:51.00 | Eulex | cuse: I don't think that's a kernel option... rather an option for the kernel-compiling functions |
| 20:51.17 | maher | dj1: do you have hal istalled? |
| 20:51.20 | Eulex | cuse: maybe there's an option for make-kpkg to not compress it? |
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| 20:52.07 | Draconicus | Eulex: I don't think that's my exact problem, actually. |
| 20:52.08 | kerneld_ | saratogacx_: Looks like you skipped the network config on install |
| 20:52.20 | Draconicus | "/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source" does not exist. That's the issue. |
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| 20:52.40 | drac | Draconicus: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:52.41 | Draconicus | I have this for my previous kernel, but I can't remember how I got it. |
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| 20:53.00 | dj1 | mahler: yes |
| 20:53.02 | Draconicus | drac: Install something from source. It needs whatever's in this directory, and soforth. |
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| 20:53.15 | Draconicus | I recall making a symlink or something, but I thought I already did that for this kernel. |
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| 20:53.33 | odessa | botmail read |
| 20:53.38 | kerneld_ | ooops, my scroll buffer was waaaay back. |
| 20:53.51 | odessa | whoops |
| 20:53.52 | odessa | heh |
| 20:53.59 | maher | dj1: what does /etc/init.d/hal start do |
| 20:54.03 | odessa | jacko trial almost over... |
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| 20:54.46 | Eulex | Draconicus: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source on my system is a broken symlink |
| 20:54.53 | cuse | Eulex: well "man make-kpkg" only mentions --zimage and --bzimage |
| 20:54.56 | kerneld_ | odessa: Why do you say that? |
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| 20:55.41 | shizz | Could someone guide me with the installation proccess of SAMBA please |
| 20:55.45 | maher | dj1: ignore that -try ps auxw | grep hald |
| 20:55.57 | Draconicus | Eulex: That doesn't help much... |
| 20:55.57 | maher | shizz: apt-get install samba |
| 20:56.01 | Eulex | Draconicus: that broken symlink points to /home/horms/tmp/debian-kernel-test/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386-2.6.8/install-686 (!?), which is really strange, cos that dir doesn't exist |
| 20:56.12 | drac | Draconicus: You still didn't tell what you are trying to do, but I bet you only need kernel-headers installed. apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:56.15 | myth8y | Hi, I have a probleme, when i'm on internet (adsl) and i try to open something or search on my hd, the program freeze for 5min then he close, I try on kde & gnome he do the same thing, but work #1 in konsole mode |
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| 20:56.24 | mwe | why does apt-get upgrade say that some packages have been kept back? |
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| 20:56.38 | PerfDave | mwe: man apt-get |
| 20:56.42 | Eulex | Draconicus: maybe just re-symlink it to the correct directory, wherever that is? |
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| 20:56.56 | Draconicus | eulex: nevermind. I found the answer. |
| 20:57.04 | kerneld_ | shizz: There are some good free PDF versions of books by Brice Perens you might like to look at. |
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| 20:57.25 | nick01 | does sarge have a firewall enabled or something like that ? cause since I installed it my cable modem desincronizes itself very often |
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| 20:57.35 | Draconicus | drac: I'm trying to install alsa source for proper Soundblaster Live! Support. Currently the midi wavetable ports aren't detected and thusly I cannot use hardware midi synthesizing. |
| 20:57.35 | PerfDave | "desynchronises"? |
| 20:57.41 | kerneld_ | shizz: http://www.informit.com/promotions/promotion.asp?promo=1041&rl=1 |
| 20:57.43 | nick01 | whatever |
| 20:57.45 | Dr_O | nick01: no not by default |
| 20:57.52 | PerfDave | "thusly" *shudder* |
| 20:58.01 | maher | nick01: sarge doesn't have a firewall unless you install one |
| 20:58.03 | nick01 | so what' causing the problem ? |
| 20:58.08 | Eulex | heh... anyway, I find it strange that my such file points to a file in /home/horms (which doesn't exist) |
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| 20:58.17 | PerfDave | nick01: What do you mean by "dsynchronises"? |
| 20:58.20 | Draconicus | drac: Also, the kernel headers are already installed and don't give me /source in the /lib/modules/(kernel)/ directory. |
| 20:58.30 | SDFH_Linux | for those interested they are going to give the micheal jackson verdict any moment |
| 20:58.33 | Dr_O | nick01: what kind of modem is it? USB or etehrnet? |
| 20:58.38 | maher | Eulex: maybe its pointing to the place where the kernel source you used to compile the image used to be |
| 20:58.39 | myth8y | Hi, I have a probleme, when i'm on internet (adsl) and i try to open something or search on my hd, the program freeze for 5min then he close, I try on kde & gnome he do the same thing, but work #1 in konsole mode, some one have a idea how to correct this problem? |
| 20:58.40 | nick01 | the green lights go off and then back on- I'm disconnected |
| 20:58.47 | dj1 | maher: ok. done that. nothing |
| 20:58.47 | shizz | thank you kerneld_ |
| 20:58.50 | nick01 | ethernet |
| 20:58.55 | maher | dj1: are you using gnome? |
| 20:58.59 | Eulex | maher: that dir has *never* existed |
| 20:59.05 | PerfDave | nick01: The modem disconnects from the Internet, or from the LAN? |
| 20:59.16 | nick01 | internet |
| 20:59.18 | dj1 | maher: yes |
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| 20:59.30 | nick01 | a network card is connected to the modem |
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| 20:59.39 | Dr_O | nick01: is it the link light from the phone company to your modem or modem to computer? |
| 20:59.54 | PerfDave | nick01: Why would having a firewall on your box, behind your ADSL modem, have anything to do with your ADSL modem disconnecting from the Internet? |
| 21:00.10 | Dr_O | nick01: ok you said internet... |
| 21:00.26 | Dr_O | nick01: Cant be a debian problem... I'd venture! |
| 21:00.43 | maher | dj1: look in daemon.log for hald errors |
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| 21:01.10 | Empty | PerfDave, some ISPs filter based on MAC and you have to spoof your "registered" pc |
| 21:01.29 | Empty | PerfDave, Retarded? Yeah, but then again so are the ISPs that do it generally |
| 21:01.32 | nick01 | dunno- it started right after I installed sarge |
| 21:01.32 | nick01 | Dr_O, no phone company |
| 21:01.32 | nick01 | cable modem |
| 21:01.32 | nick01 | not adsl |
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| 21:01.39 | Draconicus | What the hell? In the same directory for my old kernel "/home/joshk/build/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386-2.6.8/install-686" is the target of the source symlink. "joshk" does not and never has existed as a user on here. I know no "Josh". |
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| 21:01.56 | nick01 | what flood ?! |
| 21:01.58 | Draconicus | Perhaps I copied a line and forgot to change the user name... |
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| 21:02.18 | gahan | kde, gnome, xfce, fluxbox, blackbox, windowmaker, can some give me morenames |
| 21:02.19 | idnar | nick01: must have been lag, your text came through all at once |
| 21:02.20 | Eulex | and I now no "horms" |
| 21:02.21 | Draconicus | !enter |
| 21:02.21 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 21:02.23 | Empty | nick01 this channel is very sensitive, try to ype at least one sentence per line |
| 21:02.28 | takatumi | Draconicus: call the ghost busters. |
| 21:02.35 | SDFH_Linux | is there a apt server with the gui xpde on it? |
| 21:02.47 | nick01 | I must have typed it when the damn modem disconnected again |
| 21:03.09 | dj1 | maher: where is it located? |
| 21:03.25 | phaedrus_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:03.35 | Dr_O | dj1: /var/log/ |
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| 21:03.43 | dj1 | phaedrus: blag |
| 21:03.50 | PerfDave | phaedrus_: Debian :) |
| 21:04.00 | drac | phaedrus_: Debian with X and fluxbox, blackbox or openbox. |
| 21:04.02 | rkreider | phaedrus_: debian/flux |
| 21:04.03 | Eulex | phaedrus_: try debian and fluxbox, works great here on a p2 300mhz with 64mb memory |
| 21:04.11 | odessa | oooOOoOOOoOoOoOO |
| 21:04.14 | odessa | jury seated |
| 21:04.19 | troelsarvin | Why is it that there is a separate entry for security.debian.org in sources.list? - Aren't the updated packages made available through the normal distribution "channels"? |
| 21:04.19 | rkreider | jury seated*!$$! |
| 21:04.20 | maher | dj1: /var/log |
| 21:04.26 | nick01 | if it keeps this up I'll have to replace it - with fedora or something |
| 21:04.38 | rkreider | nick rofl |
| 21:04.39 | Eulex | any way, I (a swede) could watch his verdict? ;) |
| 21:04.46 | Draconicus | !rofl |
| 21:04.47 | dpkg | somebody said rofl was Rolling Over Fat Lesbian |
| 21:04.47 | phaedrus_ | uh...thanks for those suggestions |
| 21:04.52 | maher | troelsarvin: eventualy - but you should have security |
| 21:04.55 | Eulex | haha |
| 21:05.00 | Draconicus | Aww.. I thought it'd be something useful. :( |
| 21:05.00 | phaedrus_ | are those as easy to run as mepis? |
| 21:05.01 | odessa | ill let you know what it is... |
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| 21:05.51 | PerfDave | troelsarvin: Security updates to stable are made rapidly available through security.debian.org, that's what it's there for. |
| 21:06.03 | Eulex | phaedrus_: what do you mean by that? |
| 21:06.12 | PerfDave | phaedrus_: Define "easy to run" |
| 21:06.17 | shizz | SAMBA is installed, via apt-get -- now how do I share my files and view other shared files on another computer |
| 21:06.23 | phaedrus_ | mepis is very easy to operate because i dont knnow a lot |
| 21:06.26 | dj1 | maher: i cannot see any errors but to be honest i woudn't really know what half of that log means! |
| 21:06.36 | odessa | ive never even heard of mepis |
| 21:06.37 | phaedrus_ | i would like to do the same with a laptop |
| 21:06.48 | shizz | kerneld_, can you give me that web site again please with the network help |
| 21:06.52 | maher | dj1: grep hald /var/log/daemon* |
| 21:06.57 | odessa | i use debian/windowmaker, it was pretty easy |
| 21:07.04 | troelsarvin | OK. maher/PerfDave: Do you - by any chance - have a cron-job for correctly debmirroring the sarge-related parts of security.debian.org? |
| 21:07.12 | Eulex | shizz: you must have smbd and nmbd running... that's as much as I know |
| 21:07.27 | maher | troelsarvin: no - but its a one-liner |
| 21:07.31 | Draconicus | Okay, trying this again, and putting it very simply. |
| 21:07.39 | shizz | i assume after installing and doing the configuration smbd is running |
| 21:07.47 | Draconicus | wait.. nevermind. |
| 21:07.55 | dj1 | maher: ok . done that |
| 21:08.02 | maher | dj1: anything? |
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| 21:08.28 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: you know why there are no mirrors of security.debian.org right? and are only making a mirror for you own local nees right? |
| 21:08.35 | dj1 | maher: nothing |
| 21:08.45 | kerneld_ | shizz: http://www.informit.com/promotions/promotion.asp?promo=1041&rl=1 |
| 21:08.57 | shizz | thank you very kindly, again |
| 21:09.00 | odessa | ... |
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| 21:09.07 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: s/nees/needs/ |
| 21:09.08 | troelsarvin | maher: I'm sure it's a one-liner. The question is 'which one-liner'? ;-) - The following doesn't seem to work: |
| 21:09.11 | troelsarvin | maher: debmirror /srv/ftp/pub/debian-security --progress -v --nosource --md5sums --method=rsync -d sarge -r :debian --host security.debian.org |
| 21:09.14 | odessa | judge is reviewing allegations |
| 21:09.20 | troelsarvin | Dr_O: It's for an internal LAN only |
| 21:09.21 | maher | dj1: i don't know what's meant to start hald - try restarting dbus or something... |
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| 21:09.36 | maher | troelsarvin: dunno |
| 21:09.54 | kerneld_ | Dr_O: Are you named after Doctor Ocatgon? |
| 21:09.56 | troelsarvin | maher: @ERROR: Unknown module 'debian' |
| 21:10.18 | Dr_O | kerneld_: allas no! |
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| 21:10.31 | dj1 | maher: by the way, i used the network install, using my adsl connection to ftp x, gnome etc. would this have a bearing? |
| 21:10.34 | PerfDave | troelsarvin: I don't use debmirror, I use apt-proxy |
| 21:10.40 | odessa | hm |
| 21:10.40 | maher | dj1: no |
| 21:10.51 | odessa_red | heh |
| 21:10.58 | troelsarvin | PerfDave: OK, why? |
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| 21:11.18 | PerfDave | troelsarvin: Why not? |
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| 21:11.45 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: -d sarge may need to be -d sarge/updates |
| 21:12.03 | odessa_red | hm. news channels predicting jacko's guilty.. |
| 21:12.10 | jdhutchin1 | I have a touchscreen tablet runing linux, does anyone know how to get it to right-click? |
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| 21:12.26 | dj1 | maher: thanks for the help anyway |
| 21:12.43 | Draconicus | Weird. The kernel headers install a source symlink that points to a non-existent place in somebody else's home directory. I think whoever releases the kernel header package leaves the 'source' symlink that was specific to their installation, and thus pointed to a place on their harddrive. |
| 21:12.48 | troelsarvin | Dr_O: Thanks; it gets a bit longer now: Won't mirror without dists/sarge/updates/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz signature in Release |
| 21:12.57 | maher | dj1: see if you can find what's starting hal and why hal isn't running |
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| 21:13.08 | Draconicus | Mine points to the same place yours does, Eulex. |
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| 21:13.51 | troelsarvin | PerfDave: Bear with me; I'm not a Debian expert, so I thought you might - in very few words - state why apt-proxy should be used instead of debmirror? |
| 21:13.56 | odessa_red | verdict reading new... |
| 21:14.08 | maher | troelsarvin: you could also use wget |
| 21:14.09 | odessa_red | err now |
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| 21:14.25 | odessa_red | not guilty of conspiracy... |
| 21:14.29 | toonX | can i build from a kernel source just one module wich i'm interested in? like CONFIG_AGP_"chipset" wich i need to have inserted in the running kernel but i forgot to build ? i need it in order to insert another module wich uses AGP |
| 21:14.37 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: -r :debian may need to be -r :debia |
| 21:14.38 | troelsarvin | maher: I could, but I want to use the signature checking which seems to be part of debmirror |
| 21:14.41 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: -r :debian may need to be / |
| 21:14.45 | odessa_red | count 2 (lewd act on a child) not guilty |
| 21:14.54 | PerfDave | troelsarvin: I didn't say that apt-proxy should be used instead of debmirror. I said that I use apt-proxy and not debmirror. And I do that because I don't want to maintain a full archive which I'm not going to use. |
| 21:14.56 | odessa_red | wow |
| 21:15.02 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: second of those!!! |
| 21:15.03 | odessa_red | not guilty on count 3 |
| 21:15.10 | PerfDave | toonX: Are you using a Debian-provided kernel-image? |
| 21:15.24 | odessa_red | count 4: not guilty |
| 21:15.24 | toonX | PerfDave yes! |
| 21:15.40 | PerfDave | toonX: And it doesn't have AGP support??? |
| 21:15.43 | k\o\w5 | abc |
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| 21:15.55 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: OK what i really men is "-r :debian" may need to be "-r /" |
| 21:15.56 | PerfDave | toonX: What module are you trying to insert? |
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| 21:16.05 | stouset | odessa_red: Keep going =P |
| 21:16.11 | toonX | PerfDave it's the 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 and i cant find it, the module for the agp |
| 21:16.22 | Eulex | Draconicus: strange... maybe it's a package maintainer's error? |
| 21:16.32 | odessa_red | not guilty to first 7 counts |
| 21:16.37 | PerfDave | toonX: Check the BTS and file a bug? |
| 21:16.39 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.41 | toonX | PerfDave i'm trying to insert the fglrx.ko module |
| 21:16.43 | odessa_red | like 4 counts of attempting to do lewd acts to a child |
| 21:16.45 | stouset | PerfDave: He slept in a bed with Debian back when it was underage. |
| 21:16.46 | K_Dallas | the verdict i mean |
| 21:16.55 | odessa_red | not guilty to 8 counts so far.. |
| 21:16.57 | PerfDave | toonX: Oh, this is a fglrx problem, nothing to do with Debian then :) |
| 21:16.57 | troelsarvin | PerfDave: OK, makes sense. Can apt-proxy chech signatures automatically? |
| 21:17.02 | toonX | PerfDave i did check it and it seems there is a bug .. |
| 21:17.05 | PerfDave | troelsarvin: I believe so. |
| 21:17.24 | odessa_red | michael jackson not guilty on any counts |
| 21:17.27 | troelsarvin | Dr_O: Now I get strange password prompts. Strange |
| 21:17.35 | odessa_red | wow |
| 21:17.41 | stouset | Wow. |
| 21:17.43 | odessa_red | err wait... |
| 21:17.43 | stouset | Yeah, no kidding. |
| 21:17.47 | odessa_red | more counts.. |
| 21:17.49 | troelsarvin | PerfDave: Thanks. It sounds like I should look closer at apt-proxy |
| 21:17.51 | odessa_red | theyre on 9 |
| 21:17.54 | odessa_red | still not guilty |
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| 21:18.15 | toonX | PerfDave :) cool, but the thing is , if i roll a custom kernel image from the kernel-source-2.6.8-11 i can build those AGP modules, wich they forgot to put in the kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 21:18.29 | odessa_red | ok its done |
| 21:18.33 | stouset | NG? |
| 21:18.35 | odessa_red | 10 counts ... not guilty on any |
| 21:18.35 | toonX | PerfDave im just sick of it! |
| 21:18.36 | PerfDave | toonX: They forgot? Is that what the bug report says? |
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| 21:18.45 | odessa_red | completely innocent across the board |
| 21:18.51 | odessa_red | <--- flabbergasted |
| 21:19.05 | toonX | PerfDave not really, i cant make much sense from it, i'll send you the link ,maybe you can explain it to me , ok? |
| 21:19.05 | Eulex | Draconicus: maybe we should file a bug report? but question is, to what package? |
| 21:19.06 | PerfDave | odessa_red: Please shut up. |
| 21:19.10 | PerfDave | toonX: OK |
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| 21:19.12 | BucWheat | way to go MIKE :) |
| 21:19.22 | odessa_red | this is hostory, man |
| 21:19.30 | stouset | odessa_red: File a bug report? |
| 21:19.33 | toonX | PerfDave http://bugs.debian.org/248624 |
| 21:19.34 | odessa_red | hahaha |
| 21:19.40 | vox | For those who are interested, michael jackson has been found not guilty on all counts |
| 21:19.41 | PerfDave | odessa_red: No, it's nothing important, and certainly nothing worth spamming #debian about. |
| 21:19.48 | odessa_red | yeah ... to the judicial system |
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| 21:19.55 | stouset | odessa_red: Yeah, I agree with PerfDave on the first part. It's not really all that important. |
| 21:20.01 | stouset | odessa_red: But interesting enought o mention in #debian. |
| 21:20.08 | odessa_red | hehe alright, ill stop |
| 21:20.13 | odessa_red | still amazing |
| 21:20.25 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: howabout using the http method rather than rsync |
| 21:20.31 | quiet_ | michael jackson not guilty on all counts... |
| 21:20.39 | odessa_red | hahahahahaha |
| 21:20.39 | streuner__ | yeah |
| 21:20.39 | toonX | PerfDave /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/drivers/char/agp/via-agp.c , see? in the kernel-source it does exist , it's just they didn't put it in the kernel-image |
| 21:20.42 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: I guess security.d.o does not allow rsync... |
| 21:20.49 | Draconicus | Eulex: It's open-source. People make the packages and accidentally include their personal files. Oh well. |
| 21:20.54 | Draconicus | I must find the proper location of the package. |
| 21:20.55 | K_Dallas | quiet, have you forgot all about OJ? that is american-justice for the rich |
| 21:20.57 | Draconicus | err |
| 21:20.57 | PerfDave | toonX: Why do you think that that bug report has anything to do with your fglrx problem? |
| 21:20.58 | Draconicus | target. |
| 21:21.10 | quiet_ | apparently |
| 21:21.39 | toonX | PerfDave uhm, i found that link on the page wich says how to install the fglrx |
| 21:21.49 | toonX | PerfDave section Problems :) |
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| 21:22.07 | PerfDave | toonX: Oh well. TBH, it doesn't look related. But fglrx is a steaming pile of shit anyway, which is why I use nvidia :) |
| 21:22.26 | toonX | PerfDave well i'm stuck with ati |
| 21:22.33 | Eulex | Draconicus: you're on etch too? We should hope that something like this hasn't slipped into stable *shudder* |
| 21:22.53 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: any luck with the http method? |
| 21:23.03 | PerfDave | toonX: Sorry, I don't use fglrx, so I can't help with your problem. I can't believe that the AGP module is "missing" from a Debian kernel-image though. |
| 21:23.15 | toonX | PerfDave kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 seems a pretty complete kernel image in what concerns drivers and stuff, i wonder why they didn't build the agp |
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| 21:23.35 | toonX | PerfDave well, try it sometime and check for yourself |
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| 21:23.51 | PerfDave | toonX: the AGP stuff in 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp works fine. |
| 21:23.59 | Draconicus | Eulex: Why is it "etch" now? "testing" was too plain? |
| 21:24.23 | sameer | whats the different ways of making my 2.4 kernel faster |
| 21:24.24 | Eulex | Draconicus: debian testing will not always be testing... therefore they need code names |
| 21:24.25 | PerfDave | Draconicus: etch is the current testing distro, it will be stable. |
| 21:24.29 | puff | Hi... anybody familiar with scponly? |
| 21:24.46 | Draconicus | Wait.. |
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| 21:24.57 | Draconicus | "etch" is replacement for "Sarge"? |
| 21:25.04 | Draconicus | Different distro? |
| 21:25.15 | PerfDave | Draconicus: No |
| 21:25.18 | PerfDave | Draconicus: /msg dpkg releases |
| 21:25.29 | streuner__ | so Jackson is a free man, no chance for a revision? |
| 21:25.36 | SDFH_Linux | scary |
| 21:25.42 | tzafrir_laptop | I'm trying to debug a network problem. and I can't figure out how to send a simple UDP packet I will detect in tcpdump |
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| 21:25.46 | SDFH_Linux | does calfornia prosecute anyone? |
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| 21:25.54 | Draconicus | Ohh! Right. |
| 21:25.58 | puff | So I'm creating an account so our customer can scp some data files up to us. Create the account, no problem. |
| 21:26.04 | Draconicus | Etch was the Etch-o-Sketch. |
| 21:26.06 | PerfDave | streuner__: Not unless new evidence comes to light, presumably. IIRC you still can't be tried twice for the same offense in most places. |
| 21:26.06 | odessa_red | he has to do it again.. no double jeapoardy |
| 21:26.07 | schrankwand | cu |
| 21:26.13 | Draconicus | So Etch is the name of the next stable version? |
| 21:26.17 | puff | An hour later he calls me and tells me it's not accepting the password, so *I* try, and it's not accepting the paswrod. su to root, reset it. |
| 21:26.17 | Eulex | Draconicus: stable is currently sarge, testing is currently etch, and unstable will always be sid |
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| 21:26.18 | toonX | PerfDave well, i checked in /boot/config-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 for CONFIG_AGP and its CONFIG_AGP=y but CONFIG_AGP_chipset doesn't exist , there's no built in specific AGP support for my VIA chipset |
| 21:26.20 | PerfDave | Draconicus: Not yet. But it will be. |
| 21:26.24 | puff | test it from outside the network, works fine. |
| 21:26.25 | Draconicus | Ohhh.. |
| 21:26.26 | tzafrir_laptop | tcpdump running as root. I try: 'echo test | netcat localhost 123' and alike |
| 21:26.26 | Eulex | Draconicus: yes |
| 21:26.29 | Draconicus | Bye bye Sarge... :( |
| 21:26.30 | PerfDave | toonX: File a bug ;) |
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| 21:26.39 | puff | Twenty minutes later, try it again and it rejects the password. |
| 21:26.43 | puff | Any suggestions? |
| 21:26.45 | Draconicus | Etch... feels so clean and new... o.o |
| 21:26.52 | tzafrir_laptop | And run 'tcpdump -n 'udp' ; and no trace of any UDP packets I send |
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| 21:26.59 | PerfDave | Draconicus: Uhm, if you run etch, you don't get security updates. |
| 21:27.18 | Hmmhesays | it's been awhile apt-get -u dist-upgrade kernel-image.... is this not right? |
| 21:27.24 | toonX | PerfDave rather roll a custom kernel from the kernel-source-2.6.8-amd64-k8, and get over with it! |
| 21:27.32 | toonX | PerfDave thanks for your time :) |
| 21:27.42 | PerfDave | toonX: File a fucking bug, you idiot. It'll make things better for everyone. Don't be so damn selfish. |
| 21:28.04 | PerfDave | Hmmhesays: /msg dpkg faq |
| 21:28.07 | troelsarvin | Dr_O: I now try this: debmirror /srv/ftp/pub/debian-security --progress --passive -v --nosource --md5sums --method=http -d sarge --section=updates/main,updates/contrib,updates/non-free --root=debian-security --host security.debian.org |
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| 21:28.15 | Hmmhesays | thanks |
| 21:28.19 | Dr_O | puff: I suggest you reset the password and take copies of the passwd and shadow files and then wait 20 mins... Then test and if it still does not work do a diff between the passwd and shadow copies and the active files... this will tell you if tha password has been changed... |
| 21:28.23 | toonX | PerfDave well, i'm not selfish you moron , i never did that in my life so i'm uncomfortable with it :) |
| 21:28.28 | troelsarvin | Dr_O: And get: Getting: dists/sarge/Release... dists/sarge/Release failed 404 Not Found |
| 21:28.42 | kantai | ot: Michael Jackson was aqcuitted! |
| 21:28.45 | PerfDave | toonX: It's not difficult. If you don't report problems in Debian, they don't get fixed and other people suffer. That's selfish. |
| 21:28.51 | PerfDave | kantai: We know. |
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| 21:29.08 | toonX | PerfDave hope im right about it then! |
| 21:29.15 | Dr_O | troelsarvin: Id do -d sarge/updates --section=main,contrib,non-free |
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| 21:29.25 | PerfDave | toonX: apt-get install reportbug; reportbug kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 21:29.46 | Draconicus | Hooray for M. J. being innocent. (They obviously just wanted his money.) :D |
| 21:29.53 | puff | Dr_O: Danke. |
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| 21:30.18 | streuner__ | Draconicus: the prosecutor is an old friend of him ... ;-) |
| 21:30.35 | troelsarvin | Dr_O, thanks. This seems to work: debmirror /srv/ftp/pub/debian-security --progress --passive -v --nosource --md5sums --method=http -d sarge/updates --section=main,contrib,non-free --root=debian-security --host security.debian.org |
| 21:30.38 | Dr_O | puff: also I'd check the log files in /var/log/ you may find interesting info in auth.log ? |
| 21:30.39 | toonX | PerfDave i'm on it |
| 21:30.59 | Draconicus | streuner__: Eh? |
| 21:31.25 | Eulex | anyone have any idea which package I should file the bug about that strange symlnk into /home/horms, from /lib/modules/version/source? |
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| 21:31.35 | puff | Dr_O /var/log/auth shows the login working successfully. |
| 21:31.51 | PerfDave | Eulex: Does dpkg -S tell you which package owns the file you're having trouble with? |
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| 21:32.13 | streuner__ | Draconicus: </ironic> |
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| 21:32.20 | foureyes779 | apt-get remove Michael_Jackson_Innocent |
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| 21:32.32 | phaedrus_ | ithink ill try ubuntu |
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| 21:32.39 | Draconicus | Okay, moving back to a focus... "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source: No such file or directory. Stop." : The makefile for alsa source complains that /source doesn't exist in said directory. In reality, the dynamic link doesn't point to the right place. Where does it go? |
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| 21:32.55 | Draconicus | Err.. where is it supposed to point? |
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| 21:33.18 | Sadus | justin: i did run sshd in debug mode, but i still get the message on the client but nothing on the server |
| 21:33.24 | Draconicus | Also... why is Etch the new testing and not Sid? Where did Sid go? |
| 21:33.35 | Pryon | sid has never been testing |
| 21:33.50 | Dr_O | puff: maybe debug.log will record any password changes... ? |
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| 21:34.07 | Eulex | PerfDave: thanks, I didn't know dpkg could do that |
| 21:34.10 | drac | Draconicus: Why don't you install alsa-source with module-assistant? Like, apt-get install module-assistant alsa-source, editing /etc/alsa/source.conf (If I remember correctly) and start the compilation with 'm-a a-i alsa' and get it overwith. |
| 21:34.17 | tzafrir_laptop | well, I forgot -i lo . But even now I can't get any packets traced :-( |
| 21:34.36 | Eulex | it belonged to kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, that is, *big* ouch |
| 21:34.38 | Draconicus | drac: also source isn't a package. I'm compiling it from source, ironically. |
| 21:34.39 | puff | Hm, pastebin.com's broken. |
| 21:34.46 | Draconicus | alsa* |
| 21:35.01 | jethro | !find alsa-source |
| 21:35.04 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.9b-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2168 kB, Installed size: 2212 kB |
| 21:35.06 | drac | Draconicus: alsa-source is a package, and you can compile it from sources with module-assistant. |
| 21:35.14 | drac | ^^ |
| 21:35.21 | Draconicus | Unstable is always Sid? I understand the symbolism, but does unstable not become testing? Is unstable just the term for a do-it-yourself kernel? |
| 21:35.42 | jethro | Draconicus: it's not just the term for a do-it-yourself-whatever |
| 21:35.55 | Eulex | Draconicus: I'm filing the bug report. and sid will always be unstable and most up-to-date |
| 21:35.59 | Draconicus | 'kay... |
| 21:36.02 | jethro | Draconicus: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 21:36.23 | toonX | back to my question, can i build just one module from the whole kernel-source? the module i want is file:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/drivers/char/agp/via-agp.c |
| 21:36.41 | drac | toonX: You allready have it. |
| 21:36.50 | drac | toonX: modprobe via_agp (IIRC) |
| 21:36.56 | paulswm | !fruitsmite jethro |
| 21:37.13 | puff | Dr_O: Hm, maybe something to do with pam? |
| 21:37.13 | toonX | drac FATAL: Module via_agp not found. |
| 21:37.22 | jethro | paulswm: heh |
| 21:37.25 | toonX | drac it's not there ,really |
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| 21:37.49 | toonX | drac is it possible to build just that ? |
| 21:37.56 | paulswm | jethro: :D |
| 21:37.57 | cddesjar | anyone have any ideas why i would keep timing out with firefox and thunderbird but i am connecting fine with konqueror? |
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| 21:38.06 | toonX | drac not the whole kernel image and and all the modules |
| 21:38.06 | kantai | got a proxy? |
| 21:38.28 | Draconicus | Whee! module-assistant has a noobish typo! "warning! /usr/src/linux seems to have blah blah blah configured!1" |
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| 21:39.24 | Draconicus | I have unconfigured kernel source in the source files. "unconfigured kernel source"? |
| 21:39.49 | stouset | reportbug jackson_verdict -s "returns 0 when executed, rather than 1" |
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| 21:40.05 | shingouz | Draconicus: you haven't done the config on them yet. make config|menuconfig|xconfig |
| 21:40.08 | _AleX_ | hi all. howto get the list of files (/lib/modules..../net/name.ko) of currently loaded modules ? |
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| 21:40.51 | Draconicus | shingouz: ....eh?! |
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| 21:40.59 | Draconicus | Gyah... my head... heat.... too hot in here... x.x |
| 21:41.14 | shingouz | Draconicus: that is what the unconfigured kernel sources mean |
| 21:41.15 | stouset | _AleX_: Do you need the actual paths to them? |
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| 21:41.43 | _AleX_ | stouset: yes |
| 21:41.47 | gtigene_ | I want my network interface to use a static IP rather than DHCP. I want this change to be permanent. Should I use the ifconfig command or should I edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:41.54 | stouset | _AleX_: Okay. Give me a minute. Why? |
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| 21:42.04 | toonX | drac so you know how to do that? |
| 21:42.18 | Draconicus | shingouz: I... please simplify what you'res saying. I'm getting to the point where my very mind is crashing, but I want to get this done. I understand you, but at the same time I can't make sense of your meaning. |
| 21:42.23 | _AleX_ | stouset: i want to automate a manual task :-) |
| 21:42.25 | ralf | gtigene_: the second |
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| 21:42.38 | gtigene_ | ralf: thank you. |
| 21:42.51 | ralf | you're welcome |
| 21:42.52 | shingouz | Draconicus: you are trying to compile a kernel or some modules for it? |
| 21:42.56 | _AleX_ | stouset: this option is missing in lsmod :) |
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| 21:43.15 | drac | toonX: Not with ready kernel-images.. |
| 21:43.43 | mikaEL` | I can't upgrade Azureus from 2.2.0.2 to 2.3.02 even if I log on as root ... what's the problem ? |
| 21:43.49 | Draconicus | shingouz: I'm actually trying to install alsa source. It bitches that /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source doesn't exist. |
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| 21:44.23 | Draconicus | All I want to do is get midis to play through hardware. I'm going all over the place to acheive that. Worse still, it's fecking HOT in this room. ._. |
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| 21:44.34 | stouset | _AleX_: What are you trying to do, though? There's probably a simpler way of doing it. |
| 21:44.41 | shingouz | Draconicus: why the hell are you trying to install the alsa source in the first place? if that directory is missing you do not have the kernel source for that specific kernel |
| 21:44.42 | Dr_O | puff: do you lock accounts that have too many password failures... ? |
| 21:45.06 | toonX | drac ok np |
| 21:45.06 | _AleX_ | stouset: not very, it's for making a initrd with currently loaded modules |
| 21:45.14 | shingouz | midi? eugh. you sure you need a new kernel to do that, Draconicus? |
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| 21:45.25 | Draconicus | Through hardware, yes. |
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| 21:45.44 | puff | Dr_O AFAIK, no, but it's not inconceivable... I think several security pacakges were installed on this box, one of 'em might have set that up. |
| 21:46.06 | puff | But even then, there's no obvious problem causing the failures... |
| 21:46.09 | Draconicus | shingouz: (out of laziness, some of this is older text) Yeah... I only have the general 2.6 stuff. How do I get the source? Also, I'm trying to get proper support for my Soundblaster Live! (rev 7) card. The wavetable synth ports are not detected with pmidi -l. |
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| 21:46.27 | samuel | how do i activate software suspend? |
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| 21:46.32 | puff | The customer is using winscp, dunno if there's anyhting in there... |
| 21:46.46 | _AleX_ | stouset: and a problem : for example, it 's "ne2k_pci" ofr the module name, but the filename is with a - not a _ (ne2k-pci.ko) |
| 21:46.48 | puff | Like maybe if winscp auto-retries several times, and uses a cached, bad password. |
| 21:47.00 | samuel | not hibernate |
| 21:47.06 | Dr_O | puff: sounds posible... |
| 21:47.11 | puff | But I don't really see any attempts in the log, just successful login, then twenty or so lines later authentication failure. |
| 21:47.45 | shingouz | Draconicus: i think i'd better shut up now, you are trying to do things i have never done so i would seriously have to go by feel. the kernel sources can be apt-get though, that i know. you do not want to make a custom kernel in anycase |
| 21:47.52 | Dr_O | puff: I know winscp can use sftp or scp protocols... may do better with sftp protocol rather than scp protocol or vica-versa... |
| 21:48.05 | Draconicus | shingouz: Right. It just needs the files that are in there. |
| 21:48.25 | stouset | for MOD in `lsmod | grep -v "Module" | cut -d\ -f1`; do find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name "${MOD}.ko"; done |
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| 21:48.28 | Draconicus | shingouz: Just tell me how to get the source. |
| 21:48.29 | stouset | You may want to manually verify that. |
| 21:48.37 | shingouz | Draconicus: with apt-get |
| 21:48.44 | stouset | Also, I'm sure there's an easier/more correct way |
| 21:48.47 | Dr_O | puff: lines 51 57 63 ??? |
| 21:48.50 | Draconicus | Shingouz: the package. |
| 21:48.53 | paulswm | Draconicus: apt-cache search kernel-source then apt-get the one you need |
| 21:49.11 | shingouz | ty paulswm |
| 21:49.14 | Draconicus | I have synaptic, but everything source-related for this kernel I already have. |
| 21:49.21 | paulswm | yw shingouz |
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| 21:49.27 | stouset | _AleX_: Is there really a compelling reason to do this, though? |
| 21:49.32 | Draconicus | All there is: '2.8.6 source' |
| 21:49.35 | _AleX_ | stouset: works perfectlyn, thanks !! |
| 21:49.38 | stouset | _AleX_: Isn't that what hotplug/discover are for? |
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| 21:49.48 | _AleX_ | stouset: you're the best :-) |
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| 21:49.53 | shingouz | Draconicus: in that case i think you need to decompress the tar.gz (or whatever you have there) |
| 21:49.57 | stouset | _AleX_: There might be problems with modules named "blah-blah" that register as "blah_blah" |
| 21:50.00 | Draconicus | Oh. |
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| 21:50.06 | _AleX_ | stouset: yes |
| 21:50.07 | stouset | _AleX_: Like sr_mod, for one. |
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| 21:50.53 | shingouz | Draconicus: you seriously do not want to compile a custom kernel though. kernels are not the easiest things to handle and you do not seem to have enough clue at this time, no offense intended |
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| 21:51.03 | puff | Dr_O Yah. |
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| 21:51.19 | _AleX_ | stouset: or like ne2k-pci.ko and ne2k_pci |
| 21:51.21 | Draconicus | HA! I figured it out. I need to make a symlink from /lib/module/whatever to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.8.6 |
| 21:51.31 | stouset | _AleX_: Yes. Like I said, there's probably a better way. |
| 21:51.32 | cbr | 2.8 :o |
| 21:51.37 | Eulex | Draconicus: ok |
| 21:51.44 | Draconicus | My brain was fucking frying because I couldn't get a straight answer, but now I know where the 'source' symlink should go. |
| 21:51.45 | stouset | !tell draconious about custom kernel |
| 21:51.45 | FieldySnuts | no that's not the way to do it. install the modules properly (make modules_install) |
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| 21:52.03 | Dr_O | puff: Stumpped I'm afraid! |
| 21:52.12 | Draconicus | shingouz: The source is only for resources. Some makefiles need source files to build their associated apps properly, though it involves no direct kernel compiling. |
| 21:52.31 | shingouz | Draconicus: i am not getting into this :) |
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| 21:53.04 | FieldySnuts | he's doing it wrong, shrug |
| 21:53.16 | stouset | !tell Draconicus about custom kernel |
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| 21:53.40 | _AleX_ | stouset: it's possible to add a wilcard in the find ? (replace _ and - by a . regex) |
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| 21:53.51 | stouset | Draconicus: By the sound of it (linking /lib/modules/whatever to /usr/src/kernel-source-whatever!?!?!?!) you probably shouldn't be compiling a kernel. |
| 21:53.52 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Especially as I wasn't aware that there was a 2.8.6 kernel |
| 21:54.17 | stouset | _AleX_: man tr |
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| 21:54.23 | stouset | _AleX_: To translate - and _ to . |
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| 21:54.32 | Whisky_ | Can I have a desktop GUI on a remote server through SSH ? |
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| 21:54.59 | stouset | Whisky_: What are you trying to do? |
| 21:54.59 | projectphoenix | what for? |
| 21:55.04 | Draconicus | stouset: I'm linkng /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 to provide a less-used path to source files already installed for the sake of a complicated makefile getting the resources it needs to build for this specific kernel. |
| 21:55.12 | Draconicus | linking* |
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| 21:55.20 | Eulex | Draconicus: the /lib/modules/version/source problem has already been reported, several times |
| 21:55.24 | _AleX_ | stouset: tr is not a good solution, because some modules keep - in both, others not |
| 21:55.44 | stouset | Draconicus: Why in the hell would a makefile need to do that? |
| 21:55.49 | Whisky_ | stouset: Im currently on command line through SSH from my remote server. Is there a way to setup a GUI ? |
| 21:55.49 | FieldySnuts | it's not a problem, it's a case of user error; someone who doesn't know how to install and maintain a custom kernel, and it's modules |
| 21:56.01 | FieldySnuts | such people should learn, or stick to precompiled kernels and modules |
| 21:56.04 | Draconicus | Eulex: Yeah. It's kind of an impossible-to-fix problem, as the /source link is different for every user depending on where their source is installed. |
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| 21:56.10 | KungFu | hi |
| 21:56.24 | stouset | _AleX_: Then you may want to reconsider what you're doing. If ready-made tools don't exist to do something the way you're trying, that's probably because it's either a bad idea or done better another way. |
| 21:56.33 | KungFu | avi=`kdialog --getopenfilename :` |
| 21:56.34 | KungFu | if [ -e "$avi" ] ; then |
| 21:56.41 | Draconicus | stouset: Hell if I know, but quite a few do. You try compiling the alsa-source source and tell me what happens. |
| 21:56.42 | FieldySnuts | @lart KungFu |
| 21:56.44 | KungFu | fails if I use it with "sux" |
| 21:56.45 | stouset | Whisky_: Please, please, please be precise. |
| 21:56.50 | Eulex | Draconicus: That's true |
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| 21:56.52 | Draconicus | This is for the alsa source, drivers, and such. |
| 21:56.57 | _AleX_ | stouset: how to do ? create a initrd with currently loaded modules ? |
| 21:57.06 | Draconicus | Specific to certain soundcards for enhanced performance. |
| 21:57.18 | stouset | Draconicus: I've done it before and it didn't require voodoo like that. |
| 21:57.21 | Whisky_ | stouset: I want to use a GUI to access my remote server and not command line. |
| 21:57.30 | Draconicus | Damn, a simple removal of shirt can really cool one off. I'm thinking easily now. |
| 21:57.30 | _AleX_ | stouset: the better will be a option to lsmod, but it's not the case |
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| 21:57.49 | stouset | Whisky_: Thank you. Just install GDM or something and configure it to allow XDMCP (in GDM, just configure it) |
| 21:57.57 | stouset | Then you can tell a local GDM process to log in remotely. |
| 21:57.58 | Draconicus | stouset: "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/source: No such file or directory. Stop." |
| 21:58.02 | stouset | Alternatively set up something like vino |
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| 21:58.10 | stouset | Draconicus: Are you using the Debian package? |
| 21:58.17 | Harley^ | When I do an apt-get update I get a; |
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| 21:58.32 | Draconicus | stouset: The debian package is not consistant. |
| 21:58.34 | _AleX_ | stouset: but i think i'll find a solution with -regex option of find. thanks for your big help ! |
| 21:58.45 | Harley^ | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
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| 21:59.06 | Harley^ | I get that message repeatedly |
| 21:59.07 | caphuso | Harley^: get rid of the security line in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:59.31 | Whisky_ | stouset: thank you |
| 21:59.33 | KungFu | if [ -e "$avi" ] ; then |
| 21:59.34 | J_P | hi all |
| 21:59.35 | KungFu | fails if I use it with "sux" |
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| 21:59.54 | Draconicus | stouset: the debian package for alsa-source does not seem to install anything particularly useful, but rather gives you the makefile to build the alsa stuff. |
| 22:00.20 | Draconicus | stouset: or rather the source files to build it indepedently. |
| 22:00.22 | KungFu | I want to use kdialog and "X" command |
| 22:00.25 | Harley^ | caphuso, If any repository should be up and running shouldn't it be the security one ? |
| 22:00.41 | caphuso | Harley^: do you see the word "testing" in the URL? |
| 22:00.44 | stouset | _AleX_: I don't see for the life of me why you'd *want* to do that, though. |
| 22:00.58 | Draconicus | I'm sorry. Earlier I said it was the source to build the alsa source. In reality it was simply the alsa source itself. I'm building from a package that is actually source files. The alsa-source package gives you the source files, as its name suggests. |
| 22:01.04 | Harley^ | caphuso, In the /etc/sources.list ? |
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| 22:01.18 | caphuso | Harley^: in http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 22:01.21 | Draconicus | Now I'll be building it via " ./configure --with-cards=emu10k1 --with-sequencer=yes;make;make install" |
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| 22:01.26 | stouset | Sorry, back |
| 22:01.34 | stouset | (17:58:36) stouset: Draconicus: Wait. |
| 22:01.37 | J_P | people, exist anyone faq for problem booing sarge with kernel 2.6 in machines with SATA HDs ? Beouse here qdo boot sarge for install with 2.6 Debian install stop when try runn b section in hardware recognize. But if I boot with kernel 2.4(default then work fine... Any idea ? |
| 22:01.43 | stouset | Draconicus: Why the fuck are you trying to compile alsa-source against 2.6? |
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| 22:01.49 | stouset | Draconicus: ALSA is a native part of 2.6. |
| 22:01.56 | Draconicus | stouset: I know. Listen. |
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| 22:02.02 | Draconicus | This way it will be compiled specifically for my sound architecture, my Soundblaster Live! card. |
| 22:02.12 | stouset | No no no no no no no |
| 22:02.21 | stouset | ALSA *is already part of the kernel sources* |
| 22:02.30 | Draconicus | I know. I have ALSA. |
| 22:02.30 | stouset | alsa-source is for the 2.4 series of kernels ALREADY. |
| 22:02.33 | stouset | er |
| 22:02.34 | stouset | ONLY. |
| 22:02.34 | wolfdream | caphuso: have there been changes to the url's for the sources.list? |
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| 22:02.40 | Draconicus | Oh. |
| 22:02.41 | Harley^ | caphuso, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 22:02.44 | Draconicus | Well.... this is difficult. |
| 22:02.57 | caphuso | Harley^: please... i asked a simple "yes or no" question |
| 22:02.59 | stouset | Draconicus: No, it is not difficult. |
| 22:03.09 | stouset | Draconicus: Also, you have NO need to compile ALSA to *only* use your specific sound card. |
| 22:03.09 | drac | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/oss/emu10k1/emu10k1.ko |
| 22:03.10 | caphuso | Harley^: do you see the word "testing" in this URL: 2~http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 22:03.13 | Draconicus | "For Debian Sarge ("testing" as of March 2004) just install the package alsa-base and it will set up everything in the modules.conf and related files. If you are also running one of the kernel-image-2.6.* packages there's nothing else you need to do." |
| 22:03.18 | caphuso | wolfdream: no |
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| 22:03.19 | Draconicus | FUCK. Damn those out-of-date pages! |
| 22:03.20 | Harley^ | caphuso, yes |
| 22:03.23 | Draconicus | -_-; |
| 22:03.24 | drac | oh alsa. |
| 22:03.32 | Harley^ | remove it > |
| 22:03.34 | Harley^ | ? |
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| 22:03.35 | drac | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1.ko :) |
| 22:03.36 | Eulex | haha |
| 22:03.59 | caphuso | Harley^: and now some common knowledge: there are no security updates for testing. ever. |
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| 22:04.08 | stouset | Draconicus: Like I said, though, there is *no* reason to only compile the kernel to use your specific sound card, for the same reason that nobody installs Windows XP and starts deleting all the drivers it comes with. |
| 22:04.18 | Draconicus | :P |
| 22:04.23 | caphuso | Harley^: combine those two facts, and you'll have your answer, which is basically: get rid of that line in your sources.list |
| 22:04.23 | Harley^ | caphuso, WOW ! I didn't know that ! |
| 22:04.24 | stouset | Draconicus: Those other modules are there so that if you ever conceivably change sound cards in the future, it will "just work". |
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| 22:04.52 | stouset | Draconicus: And they don't occupy memory/clock cycles/whatever just by sitting there as 40k objects on your disk. |
| 22:04.52 | Draconicus | stouset: Well... why does pmidi -l not show the wavetable synth ports on my SB Live! card? |
| 22:05.12 | Ksosez | hey i upgraded to sarge and rebooted and when i boot i get a "LI" and thats it..it just sits there what can i do to get debian to boot? |
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| 22:05.23 | Harley^ | caphuso, Thank you |
| 22:05.23 | stouset | Draconicus: I have no clue. I've never used pmidi. Give me a sec. |
| 22:05.38 | Zerohero | Ksosez: i had the same problem |
| 22:05.47 | Ksosez | Zerohero, how did you solve it? |
| 22:05.51 | *** part/#debian Harley^ (~Harley@216.138.231.46) |
| 22:05.54 | intension | Ksosez get your boot cd out and rerun lilo |
| 22:05.57 | Draconicus | It's not a problem with pmidi. It's a problem with the reading of the card itself. It only picks up the midi input port. |
| 22:06.01 | Zerohero | Ksosez: i ran the boot-cd in rescue mode |
| 22:06.05 | Zerohero | and rerun lilo |
| 22:06.11 | stouset | Draconicus: What are you trying to do? |
| 22:06.15 | Ksosez | intension, Zerohero you maen lilo -v? |
| 22:06.23 | Draconicus | stouset: essentially? Get midis working through hardware. |
| 22:06.25 | Zerohero | Ksosez: lilo -v if you want |
| 22:06.35 | intension | Ksosez its a menu option , easy |
| 22:06.36 | Ksosez | Zerohero, the woody cd or the sarge one? |
| 22:06.38 | stouset | Draconicus: I know that I've had problems getting midis to work in the past because you need to find the Creative soundfonts. |
| 22:06.38 | ethics | Draconis: alsa? |
| 22:06.39 | Ksosez | okay |
| 22:06.40 | Zerohero | Ksosez: -v is only if you want to see what it's doing :) |
| 22:06.40 | J_P | anyone have problem sarge(2.6) + SATA ? |
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| 22:06.44 | Draconicus | ethics: yes. |
| 22:06.46 | stouset | Draconicus: Which are a pain in the ass to find. |
| 22:06.54 | Zerohero | Ksosez: i booted of the woody cd, but i suspect either will work |
| 22:07.07 | Ksosez | okay thanks nearly had a heart attack here its a server ;) |
| 22:07.08 | Draconicus | stouset: They HAVE to be the Creative ones? |
| 22:07.10 | wolfdream | caphuso: I'm getting this (in relation to Harleys earlier question): Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 22:07.11 | [Granger] | heh woody == old |
| 22:07.18 | Ksosez | brb going to try it Zerohero intension |
| 22:07.22 | ethics | Stoutset: i think it's just a GM table thats required but i dont think theres a GNU one yet...although you can steal via cubase etc... |
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| 22:07.26 | intension | Ksosez you might want to use your partition as / first though |
| 22:07.27 | [Granger] | wolfdream: non-US doesn't exist anymore |
| 22:07.27 | stouset | Draconicus: Not sure. It's been a long, long time. |
| 22:07.29 | Zerohero | Ksosez: good luck :) |
| 22:07.29 | caphuso | moron |
| 22:07.30 | Eulex | wolfdream: /topic |
| 22:07.30 | stouset | Draconicus: I'm googling. |
| 22:07.32 | caphuso | wolfdream: /topi |
| 22:07.32 | caphuso | c |
| 22:07.39 | wolfdream | shit |
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| 22:07.48 | stouset | Draconicus: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/September2002/article259.shtml |
| 22:07.50 | Draconicus | Google doesn't seem to like me. I can never get specific enough for what I need, or vague enough to get results. |
| 22:08.02 | Ksosez | intension, what you mean? |
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| 22:08.07 | stouset | Draconicus: It's a learned skill. "alsa midi soundblaster live" seemed to work for me. |
| 22:08.08 | ethics | stoutset ALSA home page is a link on the left to linux-midi. if thats any help |
| 22:08.08 | intension | Ksosez do not format anyway :) |
| 22:08.16 | cusco | is there a msn messenger client that supports webcam and audio? |
| 22:08.27 | stouset | cusco: gaim-vv |
| 22:08.31 | Ksosez | intension, dont plan on it :) |
| 22:08.34 | stouset | cusco: Still in development though |
| 22:08.45 | cusco | oh.. |
| 22:08.49 | intension | Ksosez you mount your installed system as / instead of creating a new one u use that one |
| 22:08.50 | stouset | cusco: But works :-) |
| 22:08.59 | stouset | cusco: Not packaged for Debian though |
| 22:09.07 | Ksosez | intension, okay |
| 22:09.09 | cusco | that was what I was thinking |
| 22:09.23 | intension | Ksosez then run lilo , or 'make system bootable' |
| 22:09.33 | stouset | Draconicus: The easy answer, though, is that midi is a bitch in Linux right now, and the likelihood of anyone ever making it easy goes down as time passes. |
| 22:09.39 | ethics | cusco: MSN doens't speak true standard h232...they are trying to figure out what all the microsoft garbage is thats wrapping around the 232 stream |
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| 22:10.05 | cortana | is there an expert mode for d-i on sparc? |
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| 22:10.14 | cortana | and how can I get into it, booting via TFTP |
| 22:10.19 | stouset | _AleX_: sorry, what I was saying earlier is that I don't see why you would have a reason to make an initrd of the current kernel modules |
| 22:10.23 | stouset | _AleX_: There's no point in it. |
| 22:10.23 | ethics | stoutset: it's actually got some close to production level midi software....the stups are a little hard but there are definately a few using it.....me included |
| 22:10.26 | cusco | ethics: lol ok.. I don0t know what that is or anything tech related |
| 22:10.26 | stouset | _AleX_: At all =P |
| 22:10.31 | toresbe | ethics: no microsoft product has ever followed standards :P |
| 22:10.33 | Eulex | stouset: I got my midisport running quite easily... by installing and compiling a firmware loader |
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| 22:10.42 | Ksosez | intension, do i use rescue or rescbf24 if i am using 2.4? |
| 22:10.47 | ethics | stoutset: im just learning how it allw orks etc...just managed to get jack and realtime working properly 8) |
| 22:10.49 | streuner__ | cortana: doesn't ig mention anything about? |
| 22:10.55 | cortana | not that i could find |
| 22:10.58 | tcsetattr | how does querybts and/or reportbug decide which bugs are "resolved"? According to querybts and reportbug, #310672 is a Minor bugs - resolved", but looking at bugs.debian.org/310672 is seems pretty unresolved to me. Nothing in the bug log says "resolved" or "closed" |
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| 22:11.05 | Zerohero | Ksosez: i used bf24 |
| 22:11.11 | stouset | Eulex: If the instructions contain the word "compile" or "google for" and not "apt-get install midi-support", it's not easy. |
| 22:11.12 | Ksosez | okay |
| 22:11.25 | mikaEL` | I have debian Linux (sarge) and a I installed the deb package for azureus (2.2.0.2) ... when I wanna upgrade to 2.3.0.2 (as root) all goes fine ( Azureus2.3.0.2.jar is downloaded in /tmp) ... when I restart Azureus nothig happens ... stll 2.2.0.2 |
| 22:11.26 | Zerohero | Ksosez: and set root=/dev/hd?? |
| 22:11.35 | _AleX_ | stouset: i need to include a module of the scsi card in the initrd, but it's not the same card on all computers |
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| 22:11.48 | stouset | mikaEL`: Don't use the built-in azureus client updater |
| 22:11.48 | Zerohero | Ksosez: i think mine's hda2 or something |
| 22:12.03 | stouset | mikaEL`: It's a bug that it's still installed in the Debian package, and it will be removed. |
| 22:12.05 | Draconicus | stouset: This looks pretty old. Are you sure it's what I need? |
| 22:12.06 | intension | Ksosez you run the installer, pressing 'enter' and mount a previously installed system after some screens about keyboard and so |
| 22:12.15 | Eulex | stouset: contained both "compile" and "google for" :( |
| 22:12.36 | Zerohero | intension: why not just boot with rescuebf24 root=/dev/hda2 ? |
| 22:12.40 | stouset | mikaEL`: Long story short, you don't at all want to have software updating itself. If software is installed and maintained by apt, ONLY upgrade it through apt. |
| 22:12.43 | stouset | Eulex: :-) |
| 22:12.48 | cortana | mikaEL`: probably you don't have permission to overwrite Azureus.jar in /usr/share/azureus |
| 22:12.56 | stouset | Draconicus: I was looking at the part down under "midi" |
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| 22:13.03 | stouset | Draconicus: About "Loading the soundfont" and using sfxload. |
| 22:13.06 | cortana | as root, move the old jar out of the way and copy the new one from /tmp over its place? |
| 22:13.11 | intension | Zerohero ok if that works , but then he has to rerun lilo anyway |
| 22:13.14 | stouset | cortana: ARGH *STRANGLE* |
| 22:13.21 | Ksosez | Zerohero, then just run lilo right? |
| 22:13.23 | cortana | ;) |
| 22:13.26 | Zerohero | Ksosez: yes |
| 22:13.29 | mikaEL` | cortana : I have permission to write |
| 22:13.39 | cortana | the UltraLinux FAQ hinted that this might work... boot net linux |
| 22:13.39 | stouset | cortana: If I ever hear you tell somebody to manually make changes to directories and files controlled by apt, I am going to beat you over the head with a CD-R |
| 22:13.41 | Zerohero | intension: yes, but he had to do that anyway |
| 22:13.51 | Ksosez | zeroC|zZz, okay then rebooting |
| 22:13.54 | stouset | mikaEL`: You do not want to do what you are trying to do. |
| 22:13.55 | Draconicus | stouset: Yeah. sfxload works smoothly. I'm using a soundfont I got from a friend, though. |
| 22:13.58 | stouset | mikaEL`: At all. |
| 22:14.01 | stouset | Draconicus: Yay. |
| 22:14.02 | Eulex | stouset: however, when I found it, it was quite easy to install... |
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| 22:14.09 | stouset | Eulex: Sure :-) |
| 22:14.11 | Knight_Lord | How can i check if a website is using Basic http authentication or Digest authentication? |
| 22:14.12 | cortana | stouset: so you explain to the newbie about how to add unstable/testing to sources.list and set up pinning so that he doesn't end up running sid ;) |
| 22:14.21 | cusco | stouset: I actually have found debian packages: http://l1nux.free.fr/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Debian/Internet/gaim-vv |
| 22:14.22 | cortana | so we're trying "boot net expert" and expert26 but n oluck |
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| 22:14.35 | Ksosez | Zerohero, woot its booting |
| 22:14.39 | cbr | is there anyway to see when my current debian installation was installed? |
| 22:14.47 | mikaEL` | souset: ok .. i'll use the current .. thanx for the warning :D |
| 22:14.49 | Zerohero | Ksosez: good on you :) |
| 22:14.57 | Ksosez | intension, Zerohero thanks guys...i am going to make sure everything works....thanks saved me from commiting suicide |
| 22:14.59 | stouset | cortana: It's not a problem with that. It's a problem with the automatic updater being left in azureus. |
| 22:15.09 | cortana | stouset: oh i totally agree, should have been turned off |
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| 22:15.28 | stouset | cortana: It bugs you to upgrade to the latest version. |
| 22:15.30 | cortana | it's not like azureus is exactly mission critical software tho ;) |
| 22:15.36 | Zerohero | Ksosez: the rest of the upgrade isn't as horrible ;) |
| 22:15.50 | Ksosez | Zerohero, well i did dist-upgrade seems to have worked |
| 22:15.54 | michal__ | i've been trying to find a way to add a job to an unheelp printqueue and have just that added job held without needing to hold or stop the queue in order to achieve that.. anyone have any idea how that would be possible? i'm trying to do this with lprngg |
| 22:16.06 | Zerohero | Ksosez: it did here too |
| 22:16.09 | Ksosez | Zerohero, how do i know its complete? |
| 22:16.09 | stouset | mikaEL`: No problem. It's just that apt should handle all that for you. If you use the built in autoupdater, you'll be using stuff that isn't packaged for Debian, isn't guaranteed to work with Debian, and will probably overwrite something or be overwritten by apt later since apt thinks it controls it. |
| 22:16.17 | stouset | mikaEL`: It's a bug that the autoupdater is still left in there. |
| 22:16.28 | Zerohero | Ksosez: that what is complete? |
| 22:16.39 | stouset | cusco: Neat. I had found them earlier, but ended up just using gaim trunk. |
| 22:16.46 | Draconicus | stouset: http://atlas.csbnet.se/livecenter/showpage.php?name=soundfonts#piano <--- Soundfonts aren't very hard to find. o.O |
| 22:16.52 | stouset | Draconicus: Neat. |
| 22:16.58 | Ksosez | Zerohero, i mean the upgrade it all went well but there was no woohoo momeny or anything i want dancing monkies telling me its completed :) |
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| 22:17.09 | Zerohero | hehe |
| 22:17.10 | mikaEL` | soutset : thanx ... and what about mplayer ... I didn't find any deb package on debian.org |
| 22:17.14 | visik7 | etch is a sid fork or a sarge fork ? |
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| 22:17.21 | stouset | mikaEL`: Licensing problems. |
| 22:17.24 | Zerohero | Ksosez: when apt-get (aptitude?) is done, it's done :) |
| 22:17.26 | stouset | !tell mikaEL`about marillat |
| 22:17.33 | stouset | !tell mikaEL`about marrillat |
| 22:17.38 | stouset | Erm. |
| 22:17.49 | cortana | http://debian.video.free.fr/ :) |
| 22:17.50 | Ksosez | Zerohero, yeah i know...scarily easy :) |
| 22:17.59 | ledet | visik7: none of the above... |
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| 22:18.05 | Zerohero | Ksosez: yeah :) |
| 22:18.09 | ledet | visik7: it's not a "fork" of anything |
| 22:18.09 | stouset | cortana: Marillat go away? |
| 22:18.15 | cortana | no, that's his site |
| 22:18.17 | cortana | i think |
| 22:18.18 | ledet | visik7: it's just the new testing |
| 22:18.23 | cortana | it's the first mirror listed on google anyway |
| 22:18.24 | stouset | Ah. |
| 22:18.25 | kjparker | i need to multihome one of the interfaces in my debian box. I have found the syntax to do it from the command line, however when I try and translate that to something I can put in my interfaces file it doesn't work |
| 22:18.36 | stouset | mikaEL`: http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 22:18.47 | ledet | visik7: sarge is now stable... sid will always be sid... that is... unstable |
| 22:19.03 | baroni | Hi all. Is there man pages for the STL C++ library classes/functions ? |
| 22:19.03 | Ksosez | Zerohero, intension thanks again guys/gals |
| 22:19.12 | Zerohero | Ksosez: sure, np :) |
| 22:19.19 | kjparker | any ideas |
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| 22:19.55 | intension | baroni they re all online mostly |
| 22:20.06 | visik7 | ok nevermind |
| 22:20.09 | stouset | http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/ |
| 22:20.12 | stouset | ^^^^ STL |
| 22:20.19 | visik7 | where are reported sid bugs ? |
| 22:20.27 | stouset | !BTS |
| 22:20.27 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 22:23.34 | baroni | intension, stouset : yeah... thanks, I know that.. But I got now, package libstdc++6-4.0-doc give what I wanted : type something like 'man std::string' and get info.. |
| 22:23.49 | baroni | thanks |
| 22:24.49 | dumezil | sorry for the kind of off topic question... my network services keeps blocking a server of mine from communicating outside our local network cause the server shows traffic to various IRC server occasionally... why do they freak out so much because my server opens one connection to an irc server? |
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| 22:25.26 | scarynetworkguy | dumezil: Because you should be working and not playing on IRC? |
| 22:25.46 | dumezil | i wish it was that easy... |
| 22:26.00 | dumezil | but the thing is is that im not playing on IRC... |
| 22:26.26 | dumezil | i can't really figure out why my server would be trying to talk to an undernet IRC server, but its not me doing it |
| 22:26.35 | stouset | dumezil: You've been rooted, probably. |
| 22:26.59 | dumezil | how can i figure out if ive been rooted or not? |
| 22:27.05 | dumezil | and what can i do to fix it? |
| 22:27.06 | Guerin | or maybe just usered |
| 22:27.23 | stouset | dumezil: Unfortunately, it's not straightforward. |
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| 22:27.26 | Draconicus | Hmm.. according to this site, #creative will help. |
| 22:27.39 | stouset | dumezil: Monitor the IRC connection from something like ethereal. |
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| 22:27.59 | scarynetworkguy | dumezil: If your box is trying to talk to a undernet IRC without you telling it to you've been rooted. Nuke it and restore from your last known good backup it's the only way to be sure. |
| 22:28.02 | drac | !ops BaHaMuT is a on-join-spammer |
| 22:28.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 796] by debhelper |
| 22:28.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: BaHaMuT is a on-join-spammer |
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| 22:28.16 | stouset | dumezil: Compare md5sums on critical binaries (ps, ls, etc.) to ones on trusted servers that *should* have the same one. |
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| 22:28.27 | drac | Thanks. |
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| 22:29.03 | stouset | dumezil: Ultimately, you're going to need to do some research on your own. Watch the traffic. Look for anything suspicious. Compare md5sums of binaries on the machine. Look through logs around when it started. |
| 22:29.31 | stouset | Check running processes. |
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| 22:29.31 | stouset | If you find *anything*, nuke the box. |
| 22:29.43 | dumezil | what is *anything*? |
| 22:29.56 | stouset | Anything that would give you even a minor indication that the box has been owned. |
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| 22:30.14 | stouset | i.e., an entry in your /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow file. |
| 22:30.16 | dumezil | network services thinks my box had a connection to an undernet IRC server, but thats all i can find... |
| 22:30.19 | FieldySnuts | run chkrootkit. run rkhunter. the rest is being a knowledgeable admin. |
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| 22:30.37 | stouset | dumezil: it's your box, are you telling me you can't do anything on it? |
| 22:30.41 | FieldySnuts | and as he said, if you find anything, reinstall. Once a system is compromized there is NO WAY to be sure you're clean unless you reinstall |
| 22:30.47 | stouset | dumezil: Put a machine in front of it, monitor its network traffic. |
| 22:30.54 | stouset | dumezil: Check the freakin' logfiles. |
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| 22:31.10 | FieldySnuts | alternatively if you don't know how, just blow it out and start over |
| 22:31.21 | stouset | dumezil: Scour everything on the box for something suspicious. Ultimately, find out what's causing the IRC connections and find out what transpires. |
| 22:31.22 | nelson | Does anybody have a listing of the files needed to run ftp chrooted so that ls works? |
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| 22:31.30 | stouset | Like I said, use ethereal which gives nice dissectors. |
| 22:31.49 | stouset | nelson: ls? |
| 22:31.57 | scarynetworkguy | dumezil: That's enough. You can *not* be too careful. |
| 22:31.59 | Eulex | nelson: it's somewhere in the faq's |
| 22:32.04 | scarynetworkguy | But of coures you'll ignore me. |
| 22:32.13 | stouset | scarynetworkguy: Well, it's possible that there's a legitimate user on the machine who logs into undernet. |
| 22:32.21 | dumezil | no |
| 22:32.24 | stouset | scarynetworkguy: Ultimately, he needs to FIND OUT what is causing the IRC connection. |
| 22:32.28 | dumezil | im the only legit user |
| 22:32.31 | stouset | And FIND OUT what takes place on that connection. |
| 22:32.42 | stouset | dumezil: Why are you not yet watching ethereal for IRC traffic? |
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| 22:33.02 | dumezil | i will now... but this is the first ive heard of it |
| 22:33.19 | stouset | dumezil: Here's what you do. |
| 22:33.26 | nelson | Eulex: ugh. Google isn't finding it with "ftpchroot debian shared libraries" |
| 22:33.28 | stouset | dumezil: First, apt-get install chrootkit. |
| 22:33.29 | stouset | Run it. |
| 22:33.30 | dumezil | but first ive got to convince network services to allow the machine back on the net |
| 22:33.31 | scarynetworkguy | stouset: It's also possible that Kirsten Dunst will decide to come over to my place tonight. But not bloody likely. |
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| 22:33.43 | stouset | Read the docs, make sure you hunt anything down. |
| 22:33.48 | dumezil | ok |
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| 22:33.54 | stouset | If it finds nothing, you're still not safe. However, if it finds something, that's a smoking gun. |
| 22:34.06 | dumezil | ok |
| 22:34.07 | stouset | scarynetworkguy: You're going to take that back when she shows up tonight. |
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| 22:34.20 | stouset | dumezil: By the way, all this assumes you've already unplugged it from the network. |
| 22:34.21 | scarynetworkguy | dumezil: How many users besides yourself should be on the box in question? |
| 22:34.23 | scarynetworkguy | stouset: Heh. |
| 22:34.25 | Eulex | nelson: I'll find it for you |
| 22:34.28 | stouset | dumezil: Copy .deb files manually to it. |
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| 22:34.48 | nelson | Eulex: tnx. |
| 22:35.11 | stouset | dumezil: If chkrootkit finds something, nuke the box. If not, then put another fresh box in front of it. Make the box think that that machine is an undernet irc server. |
| 22:35.15 | dumezil | only me. if someone else is getting into it, they are altering the wtmp file and such so they don't show up as logged in |
| 22:35.28 | stouset | dumezil: Hell, run an IRC daemon on it. Watch for IRC traffic. Find out what it does. |
| 22:35.30 | error403 | How do i start another graphical session under a different desktop environment? |
| 22:35.32 | nelson | dumezil: yes, that's what a rootkit does. |
| 22:35.42 | dumezil | ok |
| 22:35.50 | nelson | dumezil: and if ps is hacked, then it will hide the nasty processes from you. |
| 22:36.00 | stouset | dumezil: Somebody else doesn't have to be in it. They could have ran a script that overwrites binaries like ls, ps, users, etc., with ones that won't show that they exist. |
| 22:36.10 | caphuso | or patch the kernel |
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| 22:36.22 | stouset | dumezil: And everything could be automated by now, as far as running an IRC zombie. |
| 22:36.25 | nelson | dumezil: you can do this: for i in /proc/*/cmdline; do echo $i; done and look for nasties |
| 22:36.47 | nelson | dumezil: but the problem is that a kernel module could have been installed which REALLY hides the processes. |
| 22:36.50 | caphuso | nelson: dont' you mean s/echo/cat/? |
| 22:37.04 | nelson | caphuso: silly me, yes, cat. |
| 22:37.33 | nelson | let me try again: for i in /proc/*/cmdline; do cat $i; echo ""; done |
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| 22:37.53 | visik7 | Nautilus has no installed viewer capable of displaying the file. <- what's wrong ? |
| 22:38.01 | stouset | dumezil: Ultimately, you already have something highly suspicious: IRC connections for no apparent reason. That's what you're given to diagnose this with, so take it. Watch the traffic. See what it does. If it looks innocuous, start digging for what causes it. |
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| 22:38.14 | nelson | dumezil: that presumes that you recognize any processes that shouldn't exist. e.g. "ttymon" or "httpd" on a machine that has apache installed. |
| 22:38.19 | stouset | visik7: Nautilus has no installed viewer capable of reading the file. |
| 22:38.40 | Bols | Hi.. I would like to know if there is a way to remove all the xfree related packages with only one cmd? |
| 22:38.45 | visik7 | stouset this occurs when I try to open a folder |
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| 22:38.54 | nelson | stouset: visik7 meant to ask "How do I view this file?" |
| 22:39.02 | stouset | visik7: Interesting. |
| 22:39.04 | caphuso | Bols: remove the xfree86-common package |
| 22:39.05 | stouset | nelson: Apparently not :-) |
| 22:39.09 | stouset | visik7: Ask #gnome-debian. |
| 22:39.11 | visik7 | Couldn't display "/". |
| 22:39.12 | Bols | caphuso, ok, thank you |
| 22:39.18 | visik7 | and then the message above |
| 22:39.33 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: annoy visik7 |
| 22:39.34 | ravenbird | visik7: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 22:39.35 | stouset | Bols: that may wipe out programs that aren't xfree-related though, so be careful. |
| 22:39.50 | stouset | Bols: watch everything it tries to remove. |
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| 22:39.56 | caphuso | stouset: no, it won't |
| 22:40.07 | stouset | caphuso: It used to on my woody box. |
| 22:40.24 | stouset | caphuso: Something like libgd was installed, which required xfree86-common. And some other console apps required libgd. |
| 22:40.26 | visik7 | Bols remove xlibs and all xfree related programs will be removed |
| 22:40.38 | caphuso | stouset: those are related to xfree86. they use it |
| 22:40.42 | dumezil | damn it... looks like something is happening... "sh -i |
| 22:40.42 | dumezil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.20 | stouset | dumezil: Wipe the box. Back up anything necessary. When you restore the box, put the backed up files back one-by-one and inspect them for anything fishy. |
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| 22:41.36 | stouset | Do not restore things like /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, or anything that might contain user or account information. |
| 22:41.44 | caphuso | libgd needs it for XPM creation, IIRC |
| 22:41.54 | stouset | Only restore critical configuration and data which *cannot* be reentered through scripts like adduser, etc. |
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| 22:42.07 | FieldySnuts | just get him to run chkrootkit and rkhunter already |
| 22:42.09 | Guerin | don't restore anything |
| 22:42.15 | Guerin | use your last backup |
| 22:42.19 | dumezil | im working on getting those |
| 22:42.30 | FieldySnuts | heh. backups. in here? you've lost your mind man. |
| 22:42.35 | stouset | caphuso: Still, it can be surprising. If I did that on my weblog machine, my weblog suddently wouldn't work since it needs libgd for something =P |
| 22:42.36 | FieldySnuts | and with that i'm going to start my full backup |
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| 22:42.46 | stouset | Guerin: If the last backup is trustworthy. |
| 22:42.56 | Guerin | stouset: goes without saying. |
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| 22:43.04 | error403 | hmm |
| 22:43.09 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: common sense is supposed to go without saying too... |
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| 22:43.21 | stouset | FieldySnuts: That needed to be said. |
| 22:43.22 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: common sense is anything but. |
| 22:43.24 | FieldySnuts | !mhb |
| 22:43.33 | stouset | Right on. |
| 22:43.34 | error403 | anybody here use Fluxbox? |
| 22:43.35 | Baba_ | How can I setup a GUI to access my remote server and stop using command line ? |
| 22:43.49 | Guerin | Baba_: you can't, and mustn't. |
| 22:43.53 | stouset | Baba_: You can't. |
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| 22:43.58 | FieldySnuts | bull. VNC |
| 22:44.07 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 22:44.12 | FieldySnuts | though i much prefer command line myself |
| 22:44.13 | Guerin | well |
| 22:44.18 | stouset | FieldySnuts: VNC is just a way to get a remote desktop. If he wants to administer anything, he's still going to have to use the command line. |
| 22:44.20 | Baba_ | stouset: Why not? |
| 22:44.21 | Guerin | he could use X forwarding too |
| 22:44.24 | Baba_ | Guerin: Why not ? |
| 22:44.34 | FieldySnuts | X forwarding is slow as balls if you're not on a lan |
| 22:44.45 | stouset | Baba_: Because it's not a matter of getting a remote desktop to the machine. It's simply that 95% of linux services don't have graphical configuration utilities. |
| 22:44.48 | FieldySnuts | anyway. actual administration is going to be done at command line anyway, shrug. this isn't redhat. |
| 22:44.51 | Guerin | Baba_: because the only complete set of tools for administering a system require you to use the command line. |
| 22:45.08 | Eulex | nelson: I couldn't find it, however, I remebered how to find out which libraries a program requires |
| 22:45.19 | Baba_ | Guerin: I just want to use the server as a personal desktop. |
| 22:45.19 | dasunt | I'm not a c guru by any means, but bsearch() seems to be part of C89. The debian man page lists it as C99. |
| 22:45.21 | Eulex | type ldd /bin/ls to find out what ls requires |
| 22:45.22 | stouset | Baba_: Ultimately, you'd be doing a remote GUI session for the explicit purpose of running multiple terminals. |
| 22:45.25 | dasunt | Any reason why? |
| 22:45.43 | Baba_ | :/ |
| 22:45.48 | Guerin | Baba_: /msg dpkg sshx; or use vnc like FieldySnuts said |
| 22:45.50 | stouset | Baba_: Well, then use GDM. In the GDM configuration program (accessible from the login screen), turn on XDMCP. |
| 22:45.50 | nelson | Eulex: yeah, I'm doing that, and it's opening librt.so.1 (strace says so) and then it's STILL saying "No such file or directory". |
| 22:46.05 | Eulex | hmm |
| 22:46.08 | Guerin | Baba_: lan, or internet? |
| 22:46.09 | Fyron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.11 | stouset | Baba_: From your local GDM session, you can then connect to the remote GDM session over XDMCP. |
| 22:46.19 | FieldySnuts | better off asking #apache |
| 22:46.26 | Fyron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.28 | FieldySnuts | thanks for avoding flooding though |
| 22:46.33 | FieldySnuts | shrug. good luck here then |
| 22:46.42 | stouset | Fyron: Word of advice. Use /srv/www rather than /home/www |
| 22:46.45 | Baba_ | Guerin: Internet |
| 22:46.50 | nelson | Eulex: yeah, that's about what I said. "hmmm" only I added an extra "m" to mine. |
| 22:46.55 | stouset | Fyron: At least, if you want to be true to the FHS. |
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| 22:47.12 | Baba_ | stouset: Let me boot the linux box |
| 22:47.20 | Guerin | Baba_: you CAN use XDMCP, but you MUST encrypt it. There's a howto on tldp. Good luck with that. |
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| 22:47.28 | cinix | rob_, hello rob |
| 22:47.34 | FieldySnuts | you don't wanna do that over a wan... |
| 22:47.36 | rob_ | hey |
| 22:47.37 | stouset | Fyron: also, use a2enmod and a2dismod to enable and disable mods, rather than copying files or symlinking them. |
| 22:47.51 | Error_X | Is there a net install cd with the nForce2 network driver? |
| 22:47.52 | Eulex | nelson: I dunno... I can't find, although I'm sure I saw it somewhere in the debian documentation |
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| 22:48.07 | Baba_ | Guerin: i'll be needing it :p |
| 22:48.21 | sbk | Have a silly question. So I'm seeing [a large java] process, and vmstat 5 reports a constant series of swap-outs, but no little to no swap-ins. Shouldn't (in the grand scheme of things) the amount of swap-ins roughly match the amount of swapouts? What am I not following. |
| 22:48.42 | stouset | sbk: If what you're asking is what I think you're asking, no. |
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| 22:48.57 | bruce2005 | hi, wondering if its possible to install the debian uml on a red hat linux enterprise |
| 22:48.59 | stouset | sbk: It'll swap out memory that's not being used any more. If nothing ever ends up using that memory, it stays swapped out. |
| 22:49.08 | rob_ | hmm |
| 22:49.11 | FieldySnuts | ask red hat, it's enterprise after all |
| 22:49.18 | Fyron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:49.20 | stouset | bruce2005: Don't see why it wouldn't work. |
| 22:49.27 | stouset | Fyron: a2enmod is guaranteed to work :-) |
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| 22:49.46 | sbk | FieldySnuts: oh, is this a RedHat related nuance? |
| 22:49.56 | stouset | Fyron: Also, use apache config conditionals to find out. |
| 22:50.07 | stouset | Fyron: <IfModule> or whatever, I don't remember. |
| 22:50.07 | nelson | ls does this: open("/usr/lib/librt.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 0 |
| 22:50.08 | Fyron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.11 | stouset | I'm out folks. Serious this time. |
| 22:50.13 | sbk | stouset: ah, interesting. Thanks. So there's some sort of 'forced' swapout that goes on, whether or not there needs to be memory freed up? |
| 22:50.16 | Ungy | I gforgot how to use command line ftp |
| 22:50.17 | FieldySnuts | sbk: no idea what you're talkin about |
| 22:50.22 | nelson | and then ls says this: "librt.so.1", 10}, {": ", 2}, {"cannot open shared object file", 30}, {": ", 2}, {"No such file or directory |
| 22:50.29 | stouset | sbk: Well, memory may need to be freed up. Doesn't mean something's being swapped in. |
| 22:50.33 | sbk | FieldySnuts: never mind, thought you were responding to my earlier question. |
| 22:50.40 | nelson | I'm like "Yo! ls! Make up your mind! Either you can open the file ..... or else you can't!" |
| 22:50.49 | Ungy | How do I put a directory excluding file structure to a host via command line ftp? |
| 22:50.54 | stouset | sbk: If I allocate 2GB on a machine with 1GB memory, it's going to start swapping. You'll see 1GB swap out and nothing come in. |
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| 22:51.24 | stouset | sbk: But yes, it does that too. I have tons of memory available on my system (disregarding cache), but I still have a small bit swapped out so that there's even more room for cache. |
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| 22:51.47 | FieldySnuts | surprised no one mentioned that it's java, and as such, fucking up is normal |
| 22:51.54 | RedPenguin | Since wget has --limit-rate, is there a way to tell apt-get to use that limit when downloaqding packages? |
| 22:52.03 | wolfdream | I have a super micro motherboard with an embedded scsi controller, as well as a 2100S raid controller - when I start the sarge install, it stops when it can't find my scsi cdrom. I believe it's because of a lack of i2o support - how do I get the dpt_i2o.o module for use by the installer, and then ensure it get's loaded? |
| 22:52.06 | sbk | stouset: interesting, thanks |
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| 22:52.20 | RedPenguin | My bad, I got mixed up, I meant is there a way to limit the rate of downloads with apt-get |
| 22:52.22 | Ungy | !tell me about ftp |
| 22:52.29 | RedPenguin | Dunno why I said about wget |
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| 22:54.05 | dumezil | what is the package name for rkhunter? |
| 22:54.13 | mentorofAustria | !tell dumezil about search |
| 22:54.14 | sh4dowcat | damn testing is going forward at a furious pace |
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| 22:54.30 | Fyron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.37 | cocozz_ | Hi , what sofware is neede for the command "make-kpkg" ? |
| 22:54.38 | plugwash | its mentioned in several places that a small number of packages were changed for amd64 but i can't find an actual list anywhere |
| 22:55.05 | FieldySnuts | !dict affectionately |
| 22:55.06 | dpkg | could not find definition for affectionately |
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| 22:55.09 | FieldySnuts | :/ |
| 22:55.27 | Eulex | nelson: I've got a chrooted ftp environment... if you come over to #flood I can post it |
| 22:55.37 | mentorofAustria | !tell cocozz_ about search |
| 22:55.45 | mentorofAustria | cocozz_: I think, kernel-package. |
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| 22:56.04 | cocozz_ | ok thanks |
| 22:56.09 | Eulex | post the contents, I mean |
| 22:56.48 | nelson | Eulex: thanks..... |
| 22:56.53 | wolfdream | what's the channel for debian installer-specific questions? |
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| 22:58.39 | mentorofAustria | wolfdream: #debian-boot |
| 22:58.55 | FieldySnuts | !start a badger war |
| 22:58.55 | dpkg | snakes suck compared to kawfees |
| 22:59.00 | dumezil | is there a debian package of rkhunter? |
| 22:59.00 | wolfdream | mentorofAustria: thx |
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| 22:59.10 | zumbi | !thx |
| 22:59.10 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
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| 22:59.24 | KungFu | kdesu sh -c "echo \"$1\" & echo \"x x\" " |
| 22:59.30 | KungFu | how to call 2 command as root? |
| 23:00.21 | mentorofAustria | "Windy likes cider...so he's has a drink" |
| 23:00.44 | FieldySnuts | yay!! |
| 23:00.46 | KungFu | pleeeese |
| 23:00.50 | KungFu | +a |
| 23:00.57 | FieldySnuts | !annoy KungFu |
| 23:01.00 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
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| 23:01.17 | ix | just enter "2" as root and press return |
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| 23:02.17 | KungFu | is it not possible to call 2 commands using kdesu ? |
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| 23:02.54 | Thaiger | I just installed an ATI Radeon 9600 and booted up OK, did some work then the next time I boot I get No screens found error from X, any help? |
| 23:03.00 | mentorofAustria | kdesu sh -c '"echo \"$1\" & echo \"x x\" "'? |
| 23:03.02 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate KungFu |
| 23:03.02 | dpkg | KungFu: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound plz msg me, goodtod |
| 23:03.07 | mentorofAustria | FieldySnuts: Do stop t hat. |
| 23:03.16 | FieldySnuts | mentorofAustria: /ignore FieldySnuts*!*@* all |
| 23:03.28 | mentorofAustria | FieldySnuts: It's not irritating me... |
| 23:03.32 | klaxian | i'm getting this error when trying mplayer: gmplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec-cvs.so: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen |
| 23:03.37 | klaxian | it was working a few days ago |
| 23:03.39 | klaxian | any thoughts? |
| 23:03.46 | KungFu | mentorofAustria: sorry, no |
| 23:03.59 | mentorofAustria | KungFu: :( |
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| 23:04.43 | Bedabliu | Good Night to all, i am having some trouble to config my cable net in debian, anyone can help me? |
| 23:04.45 | klaxian | can anyone help with my mplayer problem? |
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| 23:05.16 | liable | klaxian: done an upgrade since? |
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| 23:05.23 | mentorofAustria | !tell Bedabliu about ask |
| 23:05.30 | mentorofAustria | Bedabliu: I sure we'll try. |
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| 23:05.59 | klaxian | liable: i upgrade every day but i don't think i've upgraded anything lately - i'm running sarge |
| 23:06.01 | Eulex | nelson: it still didn't when you had those files? maybe it's a permissions problem? |
| 23:06.20 | baba_ | Ive enabled XDMCP on my local machine. Now how do I access the remote machine ? |
| 23:06.23 | Bedabliu | mentorofAustria: so, i install debian and trying to configure the net, but always show to me Broadcast running multicast... its a DHCP cable net |
| 23:06.25 | klaxian | liable: any idea what package it might be, i can try a downgrade? also is there an apt log of upgrades? |
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| 23:07.03 | mentorofAustria | Bedabliu: So, all you have to do is configure a network interface to use DHCP? |
| 23:07.05 | mborohovski | so ive got this brand spankew new vaio s480, which is awesome, but brand new so nobody has it yet (and thus has not put linux on it yet). debian install doesn't recognize my hard disk for some odd reason, but I can't for the life of me figure out why. i've googled a lot. the controller is a Intel 82801 FB/FBM Ultra ATA Controller ata_piix is loaded. i just cant freaking think of anything else. |
| 23:07.16 | liable | klaxian: does it only do it with ceryain video types? |
| 23:07.19 | Bedabliu | mentorofAustria: and how i do this? |
| 23:07.32 | mentorofAustria | Bedabliu: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:07.41 | mentorofAustria | !tell Bedabliu about interfaces |
| 23:07.59 | ethics | mborohovski: lsmod: is ide-disk loaded? |
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| 23:08.05 | Loe | baba: X -query <server> |
| 23:08.13 | mborohovski | ethics: one second let me check |
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| 23:08.24 | baba_ | k |
| 23:08.35 | baba_ | Loe: The remote server has nothing to be enabled/disabled ? |
| 23:08.41 | klaxian | liable: no, mplayer won't even launch |
| 23:08.42 | LodeRunner | Hi. I've been reading the docs on the format of the debian control files... is it possible to specify more than one version number inside the parens? |
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| 23:08.58 | LodeRunner | as in: Depends: foo (>= 1.0, < 2.0) |
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| 23:09.03 | LodeRunner | is this valid syntax? |
| 23:09.04 | monsoon | hey |
| 23:09.35 | Loe | baba: well it has to listen for requests (netstat -ntl, check for port 6000) |
| 23:09.51 | baba_ | k brb |
| 23:10.04 | klaxian | liable: any thoughts? |
| 23:10.10 | monsoon | should I be able to install debian plus ndiswrapper from the sarge iso's? (guessing Ill need to get whatever iso's will fill ndiswrapper deps) |
| 23:10.21 | monsoon | without getting online at all? |
| 23:10.25 | Thaiger | has anyone used a Radeon 9200 with debian? |
| 23:10.56 | ethics | Thaiger: yes i read some webpages once ... |
| 23:11.15 | baba_ | Loe: The port 6000 isnt there |
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| 23:11.19 | Bedabliu | I am looking on my /etc/network/interfaces , my eth1 its auto(where i receive the net) its right? |
| 23:11.25 | pipeline | monsoon: Yes. |
| 23:11.32 | drac | Thaiger: I have, great card. Supported by Open Source drivers. |
| 23:12.00 | monsoon | pipeline great is there any simple way to figure out what cds I'll need? |
| 23:12.09 | mborohovski | ethics: yes, its loaded |
| 23:12.10 | liable | klaxian: what version of mplayer |
| 23:12.11 | mborohovski | sorry that took so long |
| 23:12.14 | mborohovski | but im at the screen now |
| 23:12.29 | ethics | klaxian: does xine / vlc run ? |
| 23:12.46 | klaxian | liable: bash: xine: command not found |
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| 23:13.02 | klaxian | liable: i found that libfaac0 was a version from unstable for some reason - i downgraded |
| 23:13.11 | klaxian | liable: i wonder if there are any others from unstable |
| 23:13.12 | ethics | klaxian: may need to install......xine-ui i think it is |
| 23:13.28 | monsoon | bbl |
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| 23:14.18 | baba_ | Loe: The port 6000 isnt there |
| 23:14.21 | Loe | baba: and udp port 177 ? |
| 23:14.38 | klaxian | liable: installing xine now |
| 23:14.39 | Thaiger | drac: I put in in booted ok, but then next time I boot X says fatal error No screens found |
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| 23:14.55 | drac | Thaiger: You said before that happened with 9600, not 9200. |
| 23:15.09 | baba_ | Loe: Not listed |
| 23:15.11 | klaxian | liable: xine runs fine |
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| 23:15.25 | Thaiger | drac:typo |
| 23:15.28 | Thaiger | sorry |
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| 23:15.31 | ethics | klaxian: same file? |
| 23:15.42 | baba_ | Loe: 6000 is there on my local machine where I enabled XDMCP |
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| 23:15.55 | ethics | klaxian:or does gmplayer die before opening? |
| 23:15.57 | klaxian | ethics: i just tried to launch it - let me try a file - mplayer wouldn't even run |
| 23:16.12 | klaxian | ethics: yes mplayer dies before opening |
| 23:16.18 | drac | Thaiger: Anyway. "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", choose "ati". Try starting up, if that doesn't help add ChipID "0x5961" to Section Device in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Hmm, i'm talking about 9200 now. |
| 23:16.39 | Loe | baba: ok that's cool, you can try to connect to it now |
| 23:16.58 | Thaiger | drac: thanks |
| 23:16.58 | ethics | klaxian: does it run from console? mplayer -vo xv -ao alsa filename.XXX - |
| 23:17.17 | baba_ | Loe: odd, this is the first time im doing something without modifying anything on the remote server :\ |
| 23:17.22 | klaxian | ethics: from console i get: mplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec-cvs.so: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen |
| 23:17.22 | ethics | klaxian that command may be slightly out.. |
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| 23:18.00 | klaxian | and totem-gstreamer can't really play anything either - mpgs only play sound |
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| 23:18.14 | ethics | klaxian: is it possible that libavcodec-cvs is not the right version? |
| 23:18.21 | klaxian | i will check |
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| 23:19.08 | klaxian | ethics: looks like the sarge version |
| 23:19.10 | saabin | hello |
| 23:19.11 | saabin | I have a bash shell script and uses sed, awk and echo and cp and cat-- I want to make a c++ code out of it and build an executable file instead of script. Can this on earth be accomplished? |
| 23:19.21 | ethics | klaxian: what distro are you meant to be on...obviously your mixing to some extent |
| 23:19.26 | klaxian | ethics: 3:20050427-0sarge |
| 23:19.30 | klaxian | ethics: sarge |
| 23:19.38 | klaxian | ethics: actually testing which is sarge now |
| 23:19.55 | Loe | baba: what are you running? xdm/kdm/wdm/.. ? |
| 23:20.04 | ethics | klaxian:" testing is not sarge anymore...its etch now.... |
| 23:20.08 | klaxian | ethics: i was on unstable until the sarge release |
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| 23:20.10 | plugwash | klaxian sarge is now stable |
| 23:20.10 | klaxian | ethics: ooh |
| 23:20.11 | smo_ | hi |
| 23:20.17 | saabin | I guess not |
| 23:20.20 | plugwash | testing is now etch |
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| 23:20.26 | ethics | klaxian: did you want to run sarge or etch? ie want security updates and new packages or stable |
| 23:20.27 | klaxian | plugwash: ooh ok |
| 23:20.29 | smo_ | how can i list all process using alsa for exemple?? |
| 23:20.33 | plugwash | unstable is still sid as always |
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| 23:20.38 | klaxian | ethics: etch, but not sid :) |
| 23:21.06 | NewpZ | hi whats the line in source.list to get security updates for "testing" |
| 23:21.29 | Phated | Testing doesn't get security updates. |
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| 23:21.48 | NewpZ | oh |
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| 23:21.57 | NewpZ | well that explains it! |
| 23:21.58 | NewpZ | heh |
| 23:21.59 | Eulex | newpz: /topic |
| 23:22.22 | carminati | hey, aRTS is working well, but every time I boot debian, i have to run "alsaconf" for ALSA and OSS works well... what do i have to do to fix this problem? |
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| 23:22.57 | ethics | klaxian: well if your on unstable....its unstable atm. so it could be a known issue....bug report it....mplayer not being in debian may be a issue for it. |
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| 23:23.00 | kooldeb | whats the easiest way to connect to an IRC server through SSL under Debian ? |
| 23:23.09 | klaxian | i'm not on unstable |
| 23:23.13 | klaxian | ethics: i'm on testing |
| 23:23.13 | Phated | carminati: Put your alsa module in /etc/modules. |
| 23:23.22 | klaxian | ethics: i didn't run unstable after sarge was released |
| 23:23.24 | beeblebrox87 | what's a good Free alternative to vmware? qemu and bochs are slow, UML won't build on amd64, xen is... confusing and not in debian |
| 23:23.34 | pipeline | beeblebrox87: Nope. |
| 23:23.44 | pipeline | beeblebrox87: There's no such thing. |
| 23:23.53 | ethics | carminati: hotpug installed? |
| 23:23.55 | klaxian | ethics: also totem doesn't decode any video (ie. mpg) that's in debian :) |
| 23:23.57 | beeblebrox87 | pipeline: why not? |
| 23:24.19 | Phated | !info xen |
| 23:24.20 | ethics | beeblebrox87 there isnt one.. |
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| 23:24.25 | dpkg | xen: (a Virtual Machine Monitor like User-Mode-Linux), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.2-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 657 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 23:24.30 | Phated | Uhm... yes it is. |
| 23:24.38 | carminati | ethics, yes, it is |
| 23:24.44 | beeblebrox87 | ethics: why not? |
| 23:24.51 | pipeline | beeblebrox87: I don't know. Why don't you write a good VMware clone yourself? |
| 23:25.03 | carminati | phated, alsa module was alredy in /etc/modules |
| 23:25.03 | beeblebrox87 | ekix: Couldn't find package xen |
| 23:25.34 | Phated | !info xen sarge |
| 23:25.37 | beeblebrox87 | ekix: Couldn't find package xen |
| 23:25.41 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: maybe not in amd64 |
| 23:25.42 | ethics | beeblebrox87: microsoft dont let just anyone know how their stuff works.....vmware had some inside info when they started and that helps |
| 23:25.43 | beeblebrox87 | why does it replace E with ekix? |
| 23:25.45 | beeblebrox87 | anyway. |
| 23:26.08 | beeblebrox87 | ethics: qemu emulates the whole thing. not emulating some of it should be easier. |
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| 23:26.36 | ethics | beeblebrox87: there are some stuff than can solve some issues but if your looking for full featured the vmware is your only will work now option.. |
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| 23:27.08 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: you've been whining about not being able to find a good free vmware clone for days, now. You could just stop whining and use one of the several that we've suggested. |
| 23:27.11 | klaxian | ethics: totem-xine works - totem-gstreamer and mplayer don't |
| 23:27.15 | klaxian | ethics: does that help? |
| 23:27.19 | cthulfuego | ethics: The x86 specs otoh are quite open 9Linux used 'em) so emulating hardware to run windoze on should be trivial. |
| 23:27.20 | klaxian | ethics: perhaps a gstreamer issue? |
| 23:27.24 | ethics | beeblebrox87 what OS did you want to run virtually? |
| 23:27.30 | pipeline | ethics, beeblebrox87 : A fast PC emulator is an extremely difficult problem with a very small potential audience. What a fucking shocker: You can't always get something for nothing. |
| 23:27.36 | carminati | ethics, hotplug is installed |
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| 23:28.09 | FieldySnuts | wine ; emulating shit pretty fast. |
| 23:28.12 | ethics | klaxian: will be something in the CVS build which mplayer is spitting at....xines probably better for most things but it depends on what your needing.... |
| 23:28.18 | beeblebrox87 | pipeline: then why are there four or five half-baked solutions? |
| 23:28.28 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: wine is not an emulator |
| 23:28.44 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: wine is fast because it doesn't do emulation |
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| 23:28.52 | klaxian | ethics: the CVS build of what? libavcodec? perhaps i can try downgrading |
| 23:28.53 | pipeline | beeblebrox87: There are two solutions, and both of them are fucking awful. Neither bochs or qemu is good enough to qualify as half-baked. Bochs is as slow as SIMICS and as crippled as VMware. |
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| 23:28.56 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: because it's an EXTREMELY DIFFICULT PROBLEM |
| 23:29.07 | pipeline | beeblebrox87: You may *gasp* have to BUY something. |
| 23:29.08 | beeblebrox87 | pipeline: if there were such a small audience nobody would have bothered to try it. but lots of people did, just with limited success |
| 23:29.14 | crashbg | berzerka, still here? |
| 23:29.38 | beeblebrox87 | pipeline: buying software is immoral |
| 23:29.43 | pipeline | beeblebrox87: They tried it for the same reason you're whining right now. How about you contribute to qemu, buy a COTS solution, or shut up? |
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| 23:29.59 | davem_ | beeblebrox87: That's just trolling. |
| 23:30.11 | ethics | pipeline: i wouldn't be saying small audience nowadays with the way they are rolling out servers running it but its not mass popular yet. |
| 23:30.18 | Guerin | !moron beeblebrox87 |
| 23:30.19 | dpkg | beeblebrox87: You are moron #61 |
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| 23:30.40 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: using windows is immoral, yet that's what you want to do. |
| 23:30.43 | crashbg | ./laught |
| 23:30.48 | far | Hello, anyone knows any howto on howto implement ospf in linux ? |
| 23:30.57 | cthulfuego | far: 'zebra' |
| 23:31.05 | ethics | klaxian: you could try...sarge and etch have running ones atm....ie i used gmplayer last night on both.. |
| 23:31.06 | cthulfuego | !info zebra |
| 23:31.21 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: no, it's not, i want to run linux |
| 23:31.22 | cthulfuego | Oh, that got renamed did it? |
| 23:31.30 | NewpZ | does anyone know how to make the damn echo stop on my voip phone? :) |
| 23:31.34 | revelater | hey, how would i enable multi monitor support while in a console (without x)? |
| 23:31.44 | far | cthulfuego, found it ;) |
| 23:31.45 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: i listed UML as one of the solutions that i couldn't get to work, up there |
| 23:31.46 | far | thank you |
| 23:32.06 | bucky | cthulfuego, i think it got replaced with quagga |
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| 23:32.14 | cthulfuego | far: 'quagga' now. |
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| 23:32.39 | DukGalNamu | ? |
| 23:32.40 | far | he he |
| 23:32.40 | far | :D |
| 23:32.48 | far | found it thank you |
| 23:32.49 | Caldis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.00 | Caldis | this for all runleves and same from cron |
| 23:33.03 | bucky | cthulfuego, there's bird also |
| 23:33.04 | ethics | beeblebrox: i know 4 people running UML ....it works np.. |
| 23:33.17 | bucky | they made them do all the routing protocols now |
| 23:33.23 | Caldis | anyone can tell me how to fix this and/or where these files should be linked to? |
| 23:33.27 | TwistedEmotions | What is the rm option to delete a whole dir again? rm |
| 23:33.36 | liable | -r |
| 23:33.36 | cthulfuego | TwistedEmotions: man rm |
| 23:33.41 | ethics | beeblebrox87: yopu havent told me what OS you want to run... |
| 23:33.51 | TwistedEmotions | cthulfuego: or you could just tell me? |
| 23:33.52 | DukGalNamu | ok... say i have an nvidia with dual vga out ports, how do i get the console to pisplay on both with a different user on each? |
| 23:33.59 | ethics | beeblebrox87: and more to the point .why you need to run it? |
| 23:34.11 | DukGalNamu | and different keyboard |
| 23:34.11 | supaman | Caldis: on my system (etch) it is linked to /etc/init.d/ssh .. but you should file a bug about this |
| 23:34.17 | beeblebrox87 | ethics: linux |
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| 23:34.17 | ethics | DukGalNamu: nvtv maybee? |
| 23:34.45 | ethics | DukGalNamu: and different user on each i doubt you will have much luck |
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| 23:35.00 | DukGalNamu | ethics: that should be simple |
| 23:35.07 | ethics | beeblebrox87: so your not running linux...you want to run VMware on windows to run linux inside?... |
| 23:35.22 | Caldis | supaman it should be linked to /etc/init.d/ssh on all runleves? |
| 23:35.41 | beeblebrox87 | i am running linux, i would like to look at other distributions without having to dual boot or anything |
| 23:35.41 | ethics | DukGalNamu: cool then when you find the answer let us know 8) |
| 23:35.53 | DukGalNamu | :P |
| 23:35.54 | supaman | Caldis: that I am not sure of |
| 23:35.55 | cthulfuego | TwistedEmotions: I could, but I'm lazier then you. |
| 23:36.08 | TwistedEmotions | cthulfuego: -r ... hate manuals... |
| 23:36.19 | ethics | beeblebrox87: sigh...any particular reason? |
| 23:36.21 | bucky | Caldis, you want ssh to start at boot? |
| 23:36.26 | Loe | beeble: you can do that with 1 fre partition |
| 23:36.40 | Loe | reuse swap and home |
| 23:36.42 | DukGalNamu | i guess i will have to expirament... that means building a computer, putting an nvidia dualvga card in it, and installing linux... NP!! |
| 23:36.59 | TwistedEmotions | cthulfuego: In manual sais -d is "Directory" tried that ten times... till I finally was -r... basterd manual.. |
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| 23:37.09 | DukGalNamu | it'll only cost me about $400 |
| 23:37.16 | TwistedEmotions | What does reclusive mean? |
| 23:37.22 | Caldis | bucky yes it want it to start at boot. cron as well |
| 23:37.27 | DukGalNamu | $350 actually |
| 23:37.37 | TwistedEmotions | I mean what's the difference between reclusive and normal? |
| 23:37.42 | Caldis | so i just link the files per hand to the corresponding files |
| 23:37.42 | cthulfuego | !dict reclusive |
| 23:37.44 | dpkg | could not find definition for reclusive |
| 23:37.45 | beeblebrox87 | ethics: is curiosity enough? but evidently this isn't getting anywhere, i'll go try and find an i386 machine to build UML on so i can run it on this system via ia32-libs |
| 23:37.45 | Caldis | ? |
| 23:37.49 | cthulfuego | !dict recluse |
| 23:37.51 | dpkg | Dictionary 'recluse' (2 of 4): 2. The place where a recluse dwells. [Obs.] --Foxe. ;; Recluse \Re*cluse"\, a. [L. reclus, L. reclusus, from recludere, reclusum, to unclose, open, in LL., to shut up. See Close.] Shut up, sequestered; retired from the world or from public notice; solitary; living apart; as, a recluse monk or hermit; a recluse life. |
| 23:38.05 | bucky | Caldis, does 'update-rc.d add ssh defaults' work for you? |
| 23:38.13 | beeblebrox87 | a completely unrelated question, what is the status of the mirror split discussed in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 23:38.18 | TwistedEmotions | So it's a monk file... hm... interesting. |
| 23:38.19 | ethics | DukGalNamu: cool do we need a commentary or can you like blog it or something? |
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| 23:38.39 | bucky | TwistedEmotions, a recluse installs Sid and lives in a cave by himself |
| 23:38.46 | DukGalNamu | ethics: well, if you really want a commentary i could... :P |
| 23:39.01 | beeblebrox87 | TwistedEmotions: recursive |
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| 23:39.12 | cthulfuego | TwistedEmotions: I assume you misread and are actually after 'recursive' though. |
| 23:39.13 | beeblebrox87 | TwistedEmotions: not reclusive |
| 23:39.14 | TwistedEmotions | bucky: sounds like I am reclusive ;) |
| 23:39.30 | yu | hgjkhk |
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| 23:39.35 | DukGalNamu | ethics: sorry, i was just in superhero mode, now i must see what my current prices are, then go to the bathroom, but wait! there may not be enough toilet paper..... |
| 23:39.43 | DukGalNamu | ethics: :P |
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| 23:40.14 | bucky | Caldis, any luck.. it sounds like you have a very minimal install... maybe ssh and cron are not installed |
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| 23:40.29 | TwistedEmotions | *crawls.. |
| 23:40.42 | FieldySnuts | @start a browser war |
| 23:40.42 | ravenbird | telnet more useful than netscape |
| 23:40.46 | Bols | Argh... I just made an apt-get dist-upgrade but I get this error.... what's that, plz? |
| 23:40.50 | Caldis | bucky no it works not |
| 23:40.51 | Bols | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:40.51 | Bols | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.51 | Bols | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.03 | bucky | Caldis, you don't have ssh installed afaik |
| 23:41.07 | DukGalNamu | ok i guess i am out of here to contemplate the meaning of life or something... |
| 23:41.07 | Caldis | bucky yes they are. apt-get upgrade finished |
| 23:41.08 | cthulfuego | !info logtail sarge |
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| 23:41.12 | dpkg | logtail: (Print log file lines that have not been read), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.39 (sarge), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 23:41.18 | Caldis | i am connected to the computer via ssh |
| 23:41.19 | Caldis | :) |
| 23:41.23 | beeblebrox87 | is it possible to get a question answered in here without trolling? |
| 23:41.24 | Bols | cthulfuego, thx |
| 23:41.26 | bucky | Caldis, what version of debian are you using? |
| 23:41.31 | cthulfuego | bucky: You didn't properly upgrade from woody to sarge. Run 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. |
| 23:41.38 | Guerin | Bols: i bet you have a security.debian.org line pointing to stable (==sarge) |
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| 23:41.56 | Guerin | !tell Bols about woody->sarge |
| 23:41.57 | bucky | ah.. Caldis listen to cthulfuego |
| 23:42.01 | beeblebrox87 | i ask "what is the status of the mirror split discussed in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html" and nobody responds. but i say "buying software is immoral" and lots of people respond. |
| 23:42.05 | cthulfuego | Bols: or you _want_ woody, but Guerins idea is the case. |
| 23:42.08 | thingfish | beeblebrox87: if you ask without trolling, yes, of course. |
| 23:42.24 | Bols | Guerin, deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 23:42.50 | beeblebrox87 | thingfish: then what is the status of the mirror split discussed in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html ? |
| 23:42.51 | cthulfuego | Bols: woody isn't stable anymore, sarge is. CHange that 'stable' to 'woody' and you'll be right. |
| 23:42.52 | Bols | I want sarge |
| 23:42.54 | bucky | Bols, dam you're good |
| 23:42.55 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: it's possible that nobody knows what the status is, but everyone knows that 'buying software is immoral' is a complete load of old cobblers |
| 23:43.00 | Guerin | !tell Bols about woody->sarge |
| 23:43.50 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: if you're really curious, ask on debian-user or debian-devel or something |
| 23:44.32 | Bols | Guerin, can I finish the upgrade with aptitude even if I begun with apt-get? |
| 23:45.26 | Guerin | Bols: sure. |
| 23:45.32 | beeblebrox87 | i suppose i should correct that to "proprietary software is immoral" as one could conceivably buy GPL software if one wanted to |
| 23:46.02 | bucky | O.T. Daniel Robbins (Gentoo) accepts new position with Microsoft |
| 23:46.11 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: rms funded the GNU project in its initial stages by selling copies of emacs on tape |
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| 23:47.05 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: but people who bought it were free to make copies |
| 23:47.12 | Bols | Guerin, this logtail is still blocking and I can't remove it with apt-get... ? |
| 23:47.15 | bucky | Guerin, haha.. in an interview i read yesterday.. RMS said he hasn't had a job since 1984 |
| 23:47.16 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: sure. |
| 23:47.25 | beeblebrox87 | so he can't have sold very many |
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| 23:47.37 | Guerin | Bols: aptitude -f dist-upgrade |
| 23:47.50 | garung | should i use sarge or testing |
| 23:47.58 | garung | in my source.list |
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| 23:48.13 | mrfrenzy | beeblebrox87: you're thinking like a record company director |
| 23:48.19 | Bols | Guerin, aptitude is not installed... apt-get doesn't want to install it :// |
| 23:48.20 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: actually, he sold plenty, because it was non-trivial to find another person who a) had a copy and b) had the means to copy it |
| 23:48.33 | davem_ | beeblebrox87: There is nothing wrong with buying free(libre) software. |
| 23:48.34 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: apt-get -f dist-upgrade then |
| 23:48.35 | mrfrenzy | how do you think all open source projects survive? because people like to support em |
| 23:48.36 | plugwash | garung depends for now i'd say stay on sarge |
| 23:48.40 | FieldySnuts | @start a license war |
| 23:48.40 | ravenbird | GPL r0xx0rs! |
| 23:48.44 | garung | oh |
| 23:48.51 | Guerin | Bols: see above, sorry |
| 23:48.53 | plugwash | i'd imagine the early time of etch will be a pretty rough ride |
| 23:48.54 | garung | thx glugwash |
| 23:49.03 | garung | plugwash! :D |
| 23:49.04 | davem_ | yay internet |
| 23:49.14 | thorie | how do i sent error messages out to a text file in bash? |
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| 23:49.38 | Guerin | thorie: 2>file.err |
| 23:49.39 | Eulex | thorie: you need to redirect it... |
| 23:49.41 | thorie | i tried ./program >&2 errors.txt, ./program &2> errors.txt, ./program 2&> errors.txt |
| 23:49.52 | thorie | i tried ./program &2& errors.txt, ./program &!2 errors.txt |
| 23:49.55 | Eulex | &> may help |
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| 23:49.59 | kingsley | Is it possible to import an html table into a spreadsheet? |
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| 23:50.07 | Guerin | !possible |
| 23:50.08 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 23:50.15 | thorie | anyone know? |
| 23:50.23 | Guerin | !abs guide |
| 23:50.23 | dpkg | hmm... abs guide is The advanced Bash Scripting Guide is your bash bible. See http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 23:50.43 | mngrif | so, uh, what's a good RPG for linux? |
| 23:50.47 | beeblebrox87 | davem_: agreed |
| 23:50.47 | mngrif | < bored. |
| 23:50.50 | thorie | anyone know how to write a script that generates all combinations of '2' '&' and '>' ? |
| 23:50.53 | Guerin | mngrif: irc |
| 23:50.54 | cthulfuego | mngrif: nethack |
| 23:50.58 | plugwash | kingsley the best bet would probablly be some kind of script to rip it apart and turn it into a csv file |
| 23:51.04 | mngrif | Guerin: eh... |
| 23:51.07 | beeblebrox87 | davem_: my statement was in response to somebody telling me to buy vmware |
| 23:51.10 | plugwash | which your spreadsheet should then import |
| 23:51.14 | cthulfuego | Guerin: The ogre hits! The ogre hits! You die... |
| 23:51.19 | Guerin | mngrif: i'm not kidding. Biggest mmorpg in existence. |
| 23:51.19 | mngrif | cthulfuego: that isn't rogue-esque |
| 23:51.32 | mngrif | Guerin: except there's no hot chix0rz |
| 23:51.43 | Guerin | mngrif: that's where you're wrong. |
| 23:51.48 | davem_ | beeblebrox87: xen rocks the big one111 |
| 23:51.48 | cthulfuego | mngrif: I didn't see you specify rogue-esque |
| 23:51.56 | mngrif | cthulfuego: heh, true :P |
| 23:51.59 | Guerin | mngrif: not only that, but there are DEFINITELY no hot chix0rz in other rpgs. |
| 23:52.15 | beeblebrox87 | davem_: yeah, it looks cool, can't get it to install here |
| 23:52.17 | Ungy | how come my dog always gets me in trouble |
| 23:52.39 | beeblebrox87 | (amd64) |
| 23:52.59 | Ungy | Guerin yes there are however if you see achicks name gaurenteed they are fat or ugly and or both |
| 23:53.04 | cthulfuego | beeblebrox87: It will both install and run fine in a 32bit chroot. |
| 23:53.15 | mngrif | IRC: where the women are old men and the young kids are old men |
| 23:53.19 | Guerin | Ungy: how would you know? |
| 23:53.20 | cthulfuego | beeblebrox87: If you don't know what that is, you shouldn't be using the 64bit debian. |
| 23:53.22 | kingsley | Can the unstable version of gnumeric (1.5.1) do x-y plots? |
| 23:53.27 | Guerin | mngrif: heh. |
| 23:53.47 | Caldis | bucky and cthulfuego thx for the help :) |
| 23:53.49 | lawnchair | cthulfuego, sexy |
| 23:53.50 | cthulfuego | s/his/her/ |
| 23:53.53 | beeblebrox87 | cthulfuego: i don't have a 32bit chroot. ia32libs has worked fine for me thusfar. |
| 23:53.55 | Ungy | Guerin however if you see some random unisex name that doesn;t begin wth lil peaches cutie hot sexy or any combination that would indicate they are lying then your alright |
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| 23:54.15 | cthulfuego | beeblebrox87: Actually, it probably needs a 32bit kernel... |
| 23:54.20 | Ungy | Guerin married a girl I met playing onlne games dated another one as well |
| 23:54.40 | beeblebrox87 | cthulfuego: yeah, doesn't xen require host kernel support? |
| 23:54.43 | lilsexyhotpeache | bah, nicklength restriction |
| 23:54.46 | Ungy | Guerin its about 1 in a 100 so you gotta walk carefully |
| 23:54.47 | cthulfuego | lilsexyhotpeache: asl? |
| 23:54.49 | bucky | Ungy, ever go out with anyone named Pat ? |
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| 23:55.05 | Ungy | bucky no thankfully |
| 23:55.06 | lilsexyhotpeache | cthulfuego: if you means to say 'asshole' you need a few more letters. |
| 23:55.08 | cthulfuego | beeblebrox87: I don't use it, how should I know? Didn't you check docs? |
| 23:55.14 | lilsexyhotpeache | oh... not playing the role very well... |
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| 23:55.26 | cthulfuego | lilsexyhotpeache: Are you legal? |
| 23:55.39 | lilsexyhotpeache | cthulfuego: depends on your jurisdiction. |
| 23:55.50 | lilsexyhotpeache | lawnchair: see http://ageofconsent.com |
| 23:55.56 | bucky | lilsexyhotpeache, that's what michael jackson said |
| 23:55.56 | lilsexyhotpeache | bah |
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| 23:55.59 | cthulfuego | no jury in my diction |
| 23:56.02 | GUerin | I suck at this |
| 23:56.04 | lawnchair | ZING! |
| 23:56.21 | cthulfuego | lawnchair: You want one? |
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| 23:56.29 | lawnchair | cthulfuego, yes |
| 23:56.31 | Padawan | je me pose une equestion |
| 23:56.36 | Padawan | quand on a un irc sur sa becane |
| 23:56.41 | bucky | !fr |
| 23:56.41 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:56.41 | lawnchair | donde esta el bano |
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| 23:56.45 | Ungy | !fr |
| 23:56.48 | cthulfuego | lawnchair: US$2200 per day, plus travel and accomodation. |
| 23:56.53 | lawnchair | deal |
| 23:56.57 | Padawan | et que un pote vien dial de tous et n'importe quoi.., est ce que c'est 100% anonyme du pt de vu du fai? |
| 23:57.02 | Padawan | ou y voit ce que le gars f? |
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| 23:57.05 | Ungy | !es |
| 23:57.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:57.09 | binaryc | i was going to go for it, but i can't tell french from a hole in the dirt |
| 23:57.10 | cthulfuego | !fr |
| 23:57.10 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:57.10 | Azar | I cant believe I got to forget about my life and actually studying D.E.Comer's TCP/IP here is (lack of) women and (excessive) Debian passion gets one in |
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| 23:57.24 | crashbg | what is the best ftp server to use with debian??? |
| 23:57.29 | cthulfuego | Which retard thought that was spanish? |
| 23:57.32 | Azar | it does not gets me a statue, fame or money |
| 23:57.36 | Guerin | crashbg: /dev/null |
| 23:57.40 | crashbg | haha |
| 23:57.42 | Ungy | !poll |
| 23:57.42 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 23:57.52 | lackey | the best mirror as far as speed is the mit mirror |
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| 23:58.05 | lackey | although it is not very reliable as far as mirrors |
| 23:58.06 | Ungy | !best |
| 23:58.06 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 23:58.07 | Azar | mit wursht? |
| 23:58.17 | Azar | oh m.i.t. |
| 23:58.20 | bucky | crashbg, proftp and read the docs in /usr/share/doc after you apt-get it |
| 23:58.21 | cthulfuego | lackey: Not for more then 50% of Debian users it ain't. |
| 23:58.33 | lackey | true |
| 23:58.35 | lackey | i use it |
| 23:58.38 | crashbg | bucky, thanks - this was one good answer not like the others... |
| 23:58.38 | lackey | :-) |
| 23:58.39 | crashbg | phu |
| 23:58.58 | bucky | it might be the wrong answer.. but it's my answer |
| 23:59.06 | thorie | how do I install Net::DNS? I try to use cpan, but the tests keep failing |
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| 23:59.20 | cthulfuego | thorie: dh-make-perl |
| 23:59.25 | Azar | my favorite mirror is freenet.de |
| 23:59.31 | Ungy | crashbag why not ask for a ftp server why ask for the best best is a matter of opinion |
| 23:59.37 | cthulfuego | apt-get install libnet-dns-perl |
| 23:59.43 | angelFaria | Hi eveyone. Having problems configuring my debian install. screen resolution is to low (640x480). xfree84.config asks for a BusID for the video card |
| 23:59.54 | angelFaria | Help!!Help!!! |
