| 00:00.14 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 00:00.17 | cthulfuego | angelFaria: xfree86 also says to just leave the busid blank |
| 00:00.26 | Ungy | angelFaria kinda would help for more information concerning your machine like the CPU and the chipset |
| 00:00.35 | cthulfuego | Read!Read! |
| 00:00.45 | angelFaria | cpu ak6-2 400mhz |
| 00:00.52 | angelFaria | 328 mb ram |
| 00:01.05 | angelFaria | board GA-5smm |
| 00:01.08 | Ungy | did I ask for Ram>? |
| 00:01.09 | Guerin | stop |
| 00:01.12 | binaryc | angelFaria- is the booted in 321 go ! |
| 00:01.12 | cthulfuego | angelFaria: You can stop now. |
| 00:01.17 | Guerin | we don't need to know any of this shit |
| 00:01.26 | Guerin | YOU need to read the instructions you were given |
| 00:01.29 | angelFaria | chipset SIS530 |
| 00:01.30 | angelFaria | ok |
| 00:01.36 | angelFaria | ok |
| 00:01.54 | Guerin | crashbg: beer |
| 00:01.59 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 00:02.14 | Guerin | something's fucked with my nickcompletion |
| 00:02.17 | Ungy | !beer Guerin |
| 00:02.39 | cthulfuego | lilsexyhotpeache: guess why? |
| 00:02.43 | angelFaria | Sorry guys, first time here |
| 00:03.17 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: rape? |
| 00:03.17 | dpkg | vt. 1. To screw someone or something, violently; in particular, to destroy a program or information irrecoverably. Often used in describing file-system damage. "So-and-so was running a program that did absolute disk I/O and ended up raping the master directory." 2. To strip a piece of hardware for parts. |
| 00:03.21 | FieldySnuts | aw changed |
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| 00:04.37 | binaryc | angelFaria: /msg dpgk guidelines |
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| 00:04.46 | cthulfuego | !changed |
| 00:04.46 | dpkg | Aw, cthulfuego, you've changed! You're just not the same person I married anymore... we can't go on like this. I want a divorce! |
| 00:05.09 | hojax | what is the quick sarge /sid mix dpkg howto ? |
| 00:05.22 | caphuso | hojax: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:05.29 | cthulfuego | hojax: Over there near -> #rooted boxen ? ;-) |
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| 00:06.08 | _morbid_ | what app do I call to choose startup services? |
| 00:06.47 | magyar | ahoy |
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| 00:06.59 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite magyar |
| 00:07.00 | ravenbird | magyar: why dont ya go spending all your doc on a town bike bloody hell mate |
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| 00:07.10 | hojax | caphuso i mean -- the apt.conf line that says the default dist. is testing, etc... |
| 00:07.17 | monsoon | hi, anyone know a way I can find out which sarge iso's Ill need to be able to install sarge + ndiswrapper ? |
| 00:07.27 | caphuso | hojax: that's going to break your box |
| 00:07.56 | hojax | caphuso how do you mean ? |
| 00:08.00 | magyar | nice |
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| 00:08.08 | caphuso | hojax: i mean: it is going to break your box |
| 00:08.27 | hojax | caphuso all i want is to install the alsa packages from sid... |
| 00:08.35 | Ungy | caphoso if your box was a virgin your inviting John Holmes to the party |
| 00:09.01 | Ungy | oops that was meant for hojax |
| 00:09.05 | magyar | can someone elighten me on issues that are being printed with woody and sarge migration with regards to libraries? |
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| 00:09.12 | _morbid_ | whats the command to handle the init.d scripts at startup? |
| 00:09.15 | cthulfuego | monsoon: Download all .torrent files, see which one contains ndiswrapper. Download #1, #2 #3 and the one with ndiswrapper. |
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| 00:09.39 | Guerin | magyar: in my experience, you should only have trouble if you've got unofficial or backported packages on your box. |
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| 00:10.53 | thorie | anyone here know perl? |
| 00:10.55 | magyar | Guerin: is the majority of issues being reported are with glibc or others? |
| 00:10.59 | FieldySnuts | @anyone |
| 00:10.59 | ravenbird | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
| 00:11.02 | davem | I do! |
| 00:11.06 | Guerin | magyar: others, aiui |
| 00:11.17 | Guerin | magyar: but I haven't really read much. |
| 00:11.17 | thorie | how do I install the Net::DNS perl module using cpan? |
| 00:11.25 | FieldySnuts | man cpan |
| 00:11.27 | Guerin | thorie: use dh-make-perl |
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| 00:11.35 | Guerin | don't ever use cpan nakedly on debian |
| 00:11.50 | thorie | man cpan gives me a bunch of gibberish words |
| 00:12.00 | Guerin | thorie: but it's probably in debian already - apt-cache search dns perl |
| 00:12.05 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: wasn't there a problem with the old apt not handling the libraries correctly, that users should use aptitude to upgrade to be sure? |
| 00:12.13 | magyar | Guerin: i recall having issues in RPM based distros with libc versions on rpm source builds. Would this be simular in any way? |
| 00:12.21 | bucky | thorie, apt-cache show libnet-dns-perl |
| 00:12.24 | Guerin | thorie: if you can't understand the cpan manpage, you have absolutely no hope of learning perl. |
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| 00:12.48 | thorie | Guerin: i don't want to learn perl |
| 00:12.48 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: supposedly. I used apt-get and it worked perfectly, apart from aforementioned breakage. |
| 00:12.52 | thorie | Guerin: i just want to use perl |
| 00:12.56 | Guerin | magyar: not likely. |
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| 00:13.08 | Guerin | thorie: so do what I told you. |
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| 00:13.16 | magyar | Guerin: thanks |
| 00:13.22 | unco | anyone able to tell me how to set a cron job to run every 30 seconds? |
| 00:13.23 | Guerin | and what cthulfuego and bucky said |
| 00:13.26 | beeblebrox87 | magyar: just to be sure, use aptitude to upgrade, not apt-get. but you should be fine. |
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| 00:13.49 | nullvoid | hi all |
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| 00:13.58 | caphuso | thorie: anything wrong with the libnet-dns-perl package? |
| 00:14.17 | monsoon- | cthulfuego: how can I tell what iso has ndiswrapper by looking at the torrent (or how can I look at the torrent to tell) |
| 00:14.22 | Guerin | magyar: run it with -s first, see that your deps aren't broken, and see what gets removed, etc. |
| 00:14.26 | thorie | caphuso: the instructions for amavisd says to use cpan |
| 00:14.34 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 00:14.34 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. |
| 00:14.40 | caphuso | thorie: stupid instructions. ignore them |
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| 00:14.55 | thorie | caphuso: i have to follow the instructions |
| 00:15.01 | Guerin | thorie: no, you don't. |
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| 00:15.12 | caphuso | thorie: don't be stupid |
| 00:15.18 | Guerin | thorie: they're written for users of stupid distros which don't package common perl modules |
| 00:15.35 | thorie | im confused |
| 00:15.37 | k\o\w | does anyone know of any mirrors that contain the ppc woody netinst ISO/BT? |
| 00:15.40 | magyar | beeblebrox87: am newbie to debian therefor i have no woody installs. The reason I was aking is all the news in the community about apt system not being boolet proof to updates. |
| 00:15.41 | Thaiger | It seems like no matter what I do I can't get my ati radeon 9200 to work, it worked on first boot, but not now, made sure the its using the ATI driver and still I get No screens found |
| 00:15.43 | Guerin | thorie: that much is clear. |
| 00:15.53 | nullvoid | hi caphuso |
| 00:15.57 | nullvoid | hi Guerin |
| 00:16.03 | magyar | boolet= bulit |
| 00:16.06 | nullvoid | It's morning here |
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| 00:16.37 | ecobit | dpkg-reconfig -plow passwd does not ask if want md5 |
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| 00:16.47 | Guerin | ecobit: shadow |
| 00:16.58 | ecobit | Guerin: no md5 option? |
| 00:17.25 | anand78_ | guys what does this mean "anand78 The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change" |
| 00:17.51 | bucky | ecobit, i think it is in base-config you might have to apt-get it |
| 00:17.52 | anand78_ | i am a n00b on IRC |
| 00:17.55 | caphuso | anand78_: you're +q in some channel |
| 00:18.00 | caphuso | or something similar |
| 00:18.19 | anand78_ | +q ???? |
| 00:18.33 | shingouz | not able to speak there |
| 00:18.36 | caphuso | anand78_: www.freenode.net, read the docs about using the network |
| 00:19.00 | nullvoid | hmmmm |
| 00:19.10 | Guerin | ecobit: hrm, i thought it was a different package, but it seems I'm wrong. You might need to reconfigure debconf to ask old questions again |
| 00:19.22 | Guerin | no |
| 00:19.36 | Guerin | it just means that you're in some channel which doesn't allow nickchanges |
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| 00:21.06 | binaryc | what was that ? |
| 00:21.22 | anand78_ | hmmm they talk about DOS |
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| 00:21.53 | monsoon- | weird I grepped all the jigido templates and only found ndiswrapper-source, dont I need ndiswrapper-utils as well? |
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| 00:22.40 | bucky | !seen deadcat |
| 00:22.41 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 19298 messages. Is idling for 1d 1h 21m 1s |
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| 00:24.03 | ecobit | Guerin: -plow will not work? |
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| 00:24.36 | jetx | i forgot: what command does -plow tack onto |
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| 00:25.23 | jetx | it's a simple question |
| 00:25.49 | Phated | dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 00:27.24 | smoked1 | Hey is karanma the one to use or is there a better one? |
| 00:27.28 | binaryc | rooti please don't tell me you are runinng your irc client as root and just adaded an i at the end of your nick ! |
| 00:27.35 | nvz | well if it wont be much overhead I think I am going to setup an shared lvm array on my pc for my family... not sure yet how I am going to do it, as I would like to include my existing 120GB drive which isnt currently lvm :P |
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| 00:28.20 | othernoob | is there another prog for ace files besides unace? |
| 00:28.22 | nvz | I suppose I could create an LVM volume on the new drive, then move my shit over and reinstall sarge with LVM on my drive |
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| 00:28.48 | smoked1 | rooti I think a good nmap -sV- O -P0 rooti :) |
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| 00:29.13 | jetx | !deends gnome-terminal |
| 00:29.13 | EvanCarroll | Alright i'm having a big problem raidtools was removed in favor of mdadm, and now my raid array wont start |
| 00:29.18 | jetx | !depends gnome-terminal |
| 00:29.20 | EvanCarroll | whos dumb idea was this i'm going to have you killed |
| 00:29.21 | dpkg | gnome-terminal: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.8.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.4.2-2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.10.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1), libpopt0 (>= 1.7), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libvte4 (>= 1:0.11.11), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), scrollkeeper (>= 0.3.14-5), ... |
| 00:29.28 | jetx | wtf is that |
| 00:29.41 | jetx | that conglomerate 'mess' |
| 00:29.59 | nvz | EvanCarroll: heh, careful now. its definatly not anyone here |
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| 00:30.21 | Thaiger | What usually causes the picture to shake, its just a little bit back and forth |
| 00:30.41 | RedPenguin | If a package failed to upgrade with apt-get upgrade, is there a way to skip it to upgrade the rest of the packages? |
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| 00:30.50 | smoked1 | Thaiger: I would say refresh rate |
| 00:30.56 | nvz | EvanCarroll: btw its not possible that happened, unless you mean raidtools2 |
| 00:30.58 | jetx | Thaiger: i've seen a microwave on the other side of the wall do it |
| 00:31.05 | EvanCarroll | nvz: wtf I cant get the damn thing started this is bull shit =[ i can't find tutorials or documentation on conversion to mdadm |
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| 00:31.22 | jim | there any way of just printing the install guide (d-i w/ sarge) |
| 00:31.26 | xaphod | what could I have possibly forgotten to compile into the kernel for my keyboard to stop responding?! |
| 00:31.26 | binaryc | Tjhaiger- my old crt used to do it when i used the electric pencil sharpener |
| 00:31.28 | jetx | Thaiger: refresh is a posiblility also like he said |
| 00:31.28 | Guerin | RedPenguin: no. Fix it. |
| 00:31.36 | EvanCarroll | nvz: Thats what i mean raidtools2, i wasusing raidtools2, years now, and it was just removed a dist-upgrade replaced it with mdadm and now array wont start |
| 00:32.17 | jetx | at keyboard comes to mind xaphod (or i forget the exact name) |
| 00:32.30 | xaphod | jetx: yeah, where about is that? 2.6.11.12 i'm usin... |
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| 00:32.42 | nvz | EvanCarroll: the problem is not even the responsibility of anyone in the debian community, raidtools was abandoned upstream |
| 00:33.01 | jetx | CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y |
| 00:33.01 | EvanCarroll | nvz: so, debian backed the abandonment |
| 00:33.10 | EvanCarroll | nvz: so two people need to die rather than one |
| 00:33.11 | jetx | grep your .config |
| 00:33.16 | EvanCarroll | nvz: or more than two |
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| 00:33.21 | EvanCarroll | nvz: point: somoene needs to die. |
| 00:33.23 | Thaiger | smoked1: Would I just do a dpkg-reconfigure to adjust the refresh rate or what? |
| 00:33.32 | jetx | i forget where it is in menuconfigu |
| 00:33.42 | xaphod | crap, it's set to y |
| 00:33.46 | EvanCarroll | nvz: I nice debconf screen, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO BORK ARRAY, would have been usefull |
| 00:34.03 | xaphod | i'll try swapping out the keyboard. it works in knoppix, not on my new kernel, weird |
| 00:34.13 | jetx | Thaiger: yeah but the best way is to google your monitor's model # and find the vert & horiz refresh rates, then choose the advanced ooption when it asks you |
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| 00:34.42 | Thaiger | jetx: I just put in a new card, but the monitor is an old Gateway2000 Vivitron ^_^ |
| 00:34.53 | jetx | xaphod: i'm 'sure' there are some other things you need but that's the only one i know of |
| 00:35.33 | thingfish | wow, gateway2000, that is old... |
| 00:36.09 | pingu12 | just wanted to make by bcm5721 driver but many compiling-errors: http://rafb.net/paste/results/bIvclQ60.html - Can you say way ? |
| 00:36.15 | EvanCarroll | hahahah |
| 00:36.21 | jetx | guey |
| 00:36.22 | EvanCarroll | aptcache saved me!!! again!! |
| 00:36.25 | EvanCarroll | downgrading ++ |
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| 00:37.00 | nvz | I dont know what happened there but it pisses me off |
| 00:37.04 | nvz | my irssi froze up |
| 00:37.05 | EvanCarroll | shit i think i just borked my array by running it twice |
| 00:37.13 | smoked1 | Thaiger: hell if I know dude. |
| 00:37.32 | unco | anyone able to tell me how to run a cron job every minute? |
| 00:37.33 | nvz | right in the middle of explaining something |
| 00:37.43 | Guerin | unco: man crontab |
| 00:37.47 | Thaiger | thingfish: Yeah, if you remember when gateway used to make towers with like p5-[clockspeed] like p5-133 or p5-166, thats what the monitor came with |
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| 00:38.35 | nvz | oh well fuggit |
| 00:39.00 | xaphod | how do i figure out which HDs in my system correspond to (hd?,0) in GRUB ? |
| 00:39.24 | smoked1 | type mount |
| 00:39.34 | smoked1 | or look at your fstab file |
| 00:40.01 | xaphod | smked1: that's not how grub works |
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| 00:40.19 | craigevil | look at the grub.conf file |
| 00:40.27 | crashbg | I JUST INSTALLED WEB SERVER ON MY GSM |
| 00:40.34 | crashbg | AND IT IS WORKING HAHA |
| 00:40.34 | WiFiTux | hi, what was that site were I could get previous packages? I need a workaround for Sid being broken. |
| 00:40.36 | WiFiTux | glibc and so |
| 00:40.38 | vaiux | SWEEEEY |
| 00:40.52 | ethics | Thaiger: if you cant find HW specs the hwinfo program may help you... |
| 00:41.21 | Error_X | Is there net-installs which supports the nForce network card drivers? |
| 00:41.32 | craigevil | just change your sources.list to testing or stable |
| 00:43.08 | ethics | xaphod: cat /boot/grub.map or something like that...its a test file in there |
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| 00:43.41 | ethics | Error_X : linux26 option on sarge one....modprobe forcedeth if needed |
| 00:44.10 | angelFaria | could u help on a xf86config error? says config file not installed |
| 00:44.33 | ethics | WiFiTux: whats broken? gnome should be working again i beleive |
| 00:44.49 | Error_X | ethics: Ah, so, that should do the thing? |
| 00:44.55 | thingfish | Thaiger: yes, that's been a while. I used to support Gateways. |
| 00:45.00 | WiFiTux | ethics, really? glibc? |
| 00:45.10 | ethics | angelFaria /etc/X11 is xf86config-4 there? |
| 00:45.36 | angelFaria | yes and also XF86Config-4.costum |
| 00:45.39 | ethics | WiFiTux: im on etch but people yesterday said they had their gnomes back... |
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| 00:46.16 | ethics | !tell angelFaria anbout drxx |
| 00:46.21 | hakker | question for you guys |
| 00:46.21 | thingfish | I did sid for a while; frankly, I'm glad to be on sarge now, it's a relief having a stable distro. |
| 00:46.25 | yoshio_ | WiFiTux: snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:46.31 | ethics | angelFaria: see if that helps |
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| 00:46.45 | angelFaria | what? |
| 00:46.54 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 00:46.55 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
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| 00:46.58 | ethics | !drxx |
| 00:47.05 | angelFaria | what's drxx |
| 00:47.12 | shingouz | angelFaria: read about it man |
| 00:47.16 | angelFaria | ok |
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| 00:48.16 | hakker | i installed sarge on a new box, and i've got pretty much everything working now except for sound.. the machine has one of those built-on 6-channel intel i810 based sound cards.. all the appropriate modules seem to be loaded and xmms/totem claim to be outputting sound and the mixer is un-muted with the volume all the way up.. yet I get no audio output to speakers/headphones... ideas? |
| 00:48.17 | yoshio_ | thingfish: was sid pretty bad only recently, or is it a constant headache? |
| 00:48.21 | black13 | i have notice that the compiler i am using for etch distor has a prefix i486 |
| 00:48.57 | caphuso | yoshio_: sid was pretty good the last few months |
| 00:49.00 | bucky | hakker, did you run alsaconf and which kernel? |
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| 00:49.04 | thingfish | yoshio_: no actually most of the time it was excellent linux, it was just the constant dist-upgrading every day. |
| 00:49.14 | d0s4gw | can anyone think of a reason why https transactions arent working on my machine? in using sarge with kernel 2.4.27-2-386 and mozilla firefox 1.0.4 |
| 00:49.19 | hakker | bucky: 2.6.11-1 |
| 00:49.22 | plugwash | black13 sarge doesn't support true i386 either |
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| 00:49.27 | d0s4gw | and when i say arent working, i mean they just time out |
| 00:49.33 | plugwash | due to some abi related issue iirc |
| 00:49.36 | caphuso | the pretty bad time has just started |
| 00:49.36 | bucky | hakker, did you run alsaconf ? |
| 00:49.39 | thingfish | yoshio_: but there were little irritating bugs that would crop up from time to time, too. |
| 00:49.41 | WiFiTux | yoshio_, thanks! |
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| 00:49.46 | WiFiTux | ethics, hhmm dist-upgrade wants to remove it |
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| 00:49.48 | WiFiTux | I will only upgrade thenm |
| 00:49.51 | black13 | plugwash, about about pentiumIII or 586 even? |
| 00:50.01 | yoshio_ | caphuso: thanks |
| 00:50.04 | yoshio_ | thingfish: thanks |
| 00:50.13 | plugwash | black13 so once true i386 isn't supported may as well take advantage of the i486 instructions |
| 00:50.22 | hakker | bucky: oh, haha nevermind, I picked the wrong card in alsaconf |
| 00:50.27 | hakker | bucky: thanks :) |
| 00:50.31 | bucky | cool |
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| 00:50.42 | hakker | bucky: i knew it was something dumb like that |
| 00:50.45 | black13 | plugwash, i want to go the other way |
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| 00:51.15 | hakker | also, I noted that the installer detects the sound card, but doesnt automatically ask/tell you to run alsaconf |
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| 00:51.43 | Snowman_br | hey, somebody knows where i can find a software like Wincrash or Netbios for Linux??? hehe |
| 00:52.00 | Snowman_br | i want fu%# my friend |
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| 00:52.10 | Snowman_br | he use windows |
| 00:52.12 | FieldySnuts | @ops Snowman_br asking for DoS tools |
| 00:52.12 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Snowman_br asking for DoS tools |
| 00:52.21 | hakker | oh, second question - GDM related |
| 00:52.25 | Snowman_br | wow |
| 00:52.39 | FieldySnuts | qotd potential there |
| 00:52.50 | Snowman_br | hey |
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| 00:53.07 | Snowman_br | i'm newbie, what means Dos Tools? |
| 00:53.28 | caphuso | Snowman_br: it means you're going to be forcefully removed out of this channel if you keep on talking about them |
| 00:53.31 | FieldySnuts | ... and here we have the definition of a "script kiddie", one who uses tools but doesn't know what they are |
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| 00:53.52 | Snowman_br | ah |
| 00:53.56 | Snowman_br | i get it |
| 00:53.59 | Snowman_br | :) |
| 00:54.01 | hakker | on two updated debian sarge machines I have, GDM no longer works.. it starts X and gives me a login and then after I login, it tries to boot into X, fails, and restarts GDM.. no errors of interest seem to be in the X logs, and I can startx just fine with the same session that GDM should be trying to load.. also, GDM can't seem to load any session including the configuration program or a simple terminal - however it was working fine previous to a recent reboot |
| 00:54.02 | Snowman_br | for lammers |
| 00:54.08 | paster | "Bols" at 80.200.100.195 pasted "I get this error while trying to remove webmin-core, could someone help me, plz?" (28 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/221 |
| 00:54.25 | FieldySnuts | what's a lammer? |
| 00:54.31 | narg | Is there a diff like dif, except it works on directories? |
| 00:54.39 | narg | diff == tool :p |
| 00:54.47 | caphuso | narg: diff -r |
| 00:54.53 | Snowman_br | a kiddie, who don't know what the hack program do |
| 00:55.03 | caphuso | which is about as damn obvious as it can get... |
| 00:55.04 | narg | caphuso: Thanks. |
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| 00:55.09 | Snowman_br | only think, "i'm hacking!' |
| 00:55.09 | FieldySnuts | @hack Snowman_br |
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| 00:55.11 | bucky | !br |
| 00:55.11 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:55.13 | FieldySnuts | .... |
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| 00:55.15 | FieldySnuts | brb heh |
| 00:55.17 | narg | Well, diff is for files, so... |
| 00:55.26 | Snowman_br | BR! |
| 00:55.27 | FieldySnuts | narg: man diff look at the -r option... |
| 00:55.33 | jkretz | hey all i just installed dnsmasq on a fresh sarge install (trying to get a NAT) running |
| 00:55.43 | jkretz | when i start it, it fails with the error |
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| 00:55.51 | Snowman_br | Alguém fala portugues aqui?? |
| 00:55.55 | hakker | if they can figure out my gdm problem, maybe they can go for a hat trick |
| 00:56.01 | caonex | is there a way to install debian from hard drive image without a cd? |
| 00:56.03 | hakker | s/they/you :) |
| 00:56.18 | jkretz | failed to bind listening socket |
| 00:56.21 | FieldySnuts | do not be alarmed. we are simply in a mini-sunday at the current time |
| 00:56.23 | Snowman_br | it's possible make a NFS server if i use router? |
| 00:56.25 | jkretz | already in use |
| 00:56.28 | jkretz | any dieas? |
| 00:56.31 | jkretz | ideas* |
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| 00:56.46 | Snowman_br | HELP! |
| 00:56.48 | Snowman_br | it's possible make a NFS server if i use router? |
| 00:56.55 | Azar | !br |
| 00:56.55 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:56.57 | michal__ | anyone know if it's possible to have an lprng print queue copy printjobs to another queue before printing? |
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| 00:56.59 | Snowman_br | !br |
| 00:57.04 | FieldySnuts | not really 1) major security problem 2) portmapper uses unpredictable ports, as does rpc |
| 00:57.10 | bucky | Snowman_br, try #debian-br |
| 00:57.14 | black13 | can i get a compiler libraries for debian etch that ehre compiled agaist at least a 586 |
| 00:57.16 | michal__ | I havn't been able to figure it out from the documentation yet.. |
| 00:57.18 | xaphod | wyzard you there? |
| 00:57.35 | bucky | !seen Wyzard |
| 00:57.36 | dpkg | wyzard is currently on #debian (21h 7m 45s). Has said a total of 12818 messages. Is idling for 19h 12m 40s |
| 00:57.43 | xaphod | ah, thanx |
| 00:57.44 | Snowman_br | SOMEBODY HELP ME!!! |
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| 00:57.50 | FieldySnuts | shut the hell up already |
| 00:57.50 | Snowman_br | Ahhh! |
| 00:57.55 | RogueDopple | Snowman_br: louder |
| 00:57.55 | Wyzard | xaphod: hello |
| 00:57.57 | bucky | !br |
| 00:57.57 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:57.58 | Snowman_br | .... |
| 00:58.00 | Azar | Snowman_br nadie habla brasillero aqui |
| 00:58.01 | RogueDopple | so we can ignore you |
| 00:58.14 | RogueDopple | Snowman_br: ninguem fala portugues aqui |
| 00:58.17 | Snowman_br | quem eh esse bucky que fala !br o tempo todo? |
| 00:58.20 | thingfish | Azar: sim, falam. |
| 00:58.21 | Snowman_br | EU!!! |
| 00:58.24 | Snowman_br | aki! |
| 00:58.26 | RogueDopple | tem que va a debian-br |
| 00:58.26 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: might we +q this guy? |
| 00:58.29 | Wyzard | xaphod: Hey, I noticed today (via apt-listchanges) that the new version of kernel-package in sid lets you customize what program gets run to generate your initrd |
| 00:58.39 | Azar | :) |
| 00:58.41 | Wyzard | xaphod: so if you need to use something other than mkinitrd, it's easy to do that now |
| 00:58.41 | Azar | hes nuts |
| 00:58.43 | Snowman_br | aleluia |
| 00:58.44 | xaphod | heya wyzard - i'm compiling my kernel to be ready for root-on-lvm2. I'm using make-kpkg, naturally. How do I have it make an initrd with lvm2-root support? |
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| 00:59.00 | Wyzard | xaphod: Can't help you with the initrd part, because I haven't done it |
| 00:59.10 | Bols | how can I force apt-get to remove a package when it doesn't work with apt-get -f, plz? |
| 00:59.11 | xaphod | ... new version of kpkg in Sid ?! |
| 00:59.12 | yoshio_ | hakker: a friend had a similar problem with *dm, his partition(s) was full |
| 00:59.15 | Wyzard | xaphod: The mkinitrd manpage seems to suggest that it might be capable, so I'd investigate that first |
| 00:59.16 | xaphod | but i'm using sarge :( |
| 00:59.24 | caphuso | Snowman_br: you better start behaving right now. you will not get any further warnings |
| 00:59.25 | Wyzard | xaphod: If that doesn't work, use lvm2create_initrd |
| 00:59.30 | Snowman_br | Anybody can tell me if it's possible make a NFS server if i use router? |
| 00:59.38 | ethics | black13: sounds like a silly question...... |
| 00:59.39 | Wyzard | xaphod: oh... well, you can probably safely pull kernel-package from sid |
| 00:59.40 | FieldySnuts | i already answered that |
| 01:00.15 | hakker | yoshio_: hmm.. i have 33 gigs free on my most used partition |
| 01:00.16 | xaphod | wyzard: i'm afraid I don't really know much about initrd's. How do they enable me to have lvm2-root suport? |
| 01:00.34 | ethics | Snowman_br: yes you can...it may not work from outside your netwrok without mapping ports etc tho |
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| 01:00.51 | black13 | ethics, if it really is please tell me why |
| 01:00.52 | craigevil | anyone have problems updating KDE to 3.4.1? |
| 01:01.14 | FieldySnuts | mmmmm |
| 01:01.15 | Wyzard | xaphod: The initrd is loaded into memory by your bootloader at the same time as it loads the kernel itself, so it's available to the kernel without any need for drivers (except for the filesystem the initrd uses, probably cramfs) |
| 01:01.15 | bucky | craigevil, which version of debian are you using? |
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| 01:01.39 | black13 | are the the instructions sets of 586 and 486 so similar as to not have any significant improvement |
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| 01:01.56 | Wyzard | xaphod: It contains driver modules and a script; the script loads the modules and does whatever else is necessary to make your LVM volumes accessible, then mounts the appropriate one as the root filesystem |
| 01:02.00 | aero | k |
| 01:02.12 | xaphod | wyzard: ok. And so there is some scripted stuff in this FS then, that loads up my LVM2 volumes and mounts them etc... That sounds like it'd be the same between machines, just different config for where to look... Does Debian have an initrd image i can use? |
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| 01:02.20 | Snowman_br | oh, shit... |
| 01:02.27 | bucky | not here |
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| 01:02.39 | d0s4gw | can anyone think of a reason why https transactions arent working on my machine? in using sarge with kernel 2.4.27-2-386 and mozilla firefox 1.0.4 |
| 01:02.47 | Wyzard | xaphod: initrds are machine-specific, which is why Debian has a tool (mkinitrd) to generate one... it's ordinarily run automatically when you install a kernel .deb that was built with the "--initrd" option |
| 01:02.52 | craigevil | Sid |
| 01:03.00 | bucky | wow |
| 01:03.07 | xst | Making an apt-get update (in sarge) hasn't given any updates in several dates. Why can that happen? |
| 01:03.13 | aero | I am trying to install innovation3d but I can't find it when I search using apt-cache search. Anyone have a 2.2 kernel and can cat their sources.list into #flood for me please? |
| 01:03.17 | Error_X | When I do: ifup eth0, I get: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device, etc... |
| 01:03.18 | caphuso | xst: because it's stable |
| 01:03.20 | Wyzard | xaphod: So look into whether the initrds generated by mkinitrd support root-on-LVM, or whether it can be configured so that they do |
| 01:03.24 | plugwash | xst sarge is now stable |
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| 01:04.07 | aero | plugwash, I noticed but now woody is gone? Where can I get sources listings for woody |
| 01:04.20 | plugwash | so the only updates you should see are point releases and (if you have the security source in your sources.list) security updates |
| 01:04.27 | xst | OK - but several days and not a single upgrade. That's pretty stable.... |
| 01:04.31 | xaphod | wyzard: i'm fairly sure from the man-page (as you point out too) that mkinitrd supports lvm2 on root. I don't know how i'm supposed to use mkinitrd though. I enabled initrd/fs supportin my kernel config.... ? |
| 01:04.32 | Wyzard | xaphod: If (and only if, IMO) that doesn't work, lvm2 provides another script called lvm2create_initrd, which will probably work, but it's not as general-purpose as mkinitrd so I'd tend to prefer to use mkinitrd if possible |
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| 01:04.44 | bucky | Wyzard, i read somewhere that the mkinitrd that ships with sarge doesn't support that.. might be worth googling |
| 01:04.53 | caphuso | point releases aren't visible unless you're dealing with CD sets |
| 01:04.56 | xaphod | i'll google htat |
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| 01:05.51 | slugbug | uh, I am getting some sort of constant NFS junk in dmesg, which is making my hard disk constantly get full due to logfiles |
| 01:05.55 | slugbug | is there anything I can do about that? |
| 01:06.05 | Wyzard | bucky: The etch/sid version does? |
| 01:06.11 | bucky | dunno |
| 01:06.12 | FieldySnuts | logrotate? or fix the nfs problem? |
| 01:06.23 | slugbug | FieldySnuts: elaborate |
| 01:06.27 | hakker | uh |
| 01:06.28 | plugwash | aero woody is still on the mirrors for now (reference it either by the name woody or oldstable) |
| 01:06.33 | FieldySnuts | it doesn't need elaborating |
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| 01:06.44 | slugbug | RPC: 3597 sync task resuming RPC: 3597 deleting timer RPC: 3597 call_status (status 84) |
| 01:06.46 | slugbug | stuff like that |
| 01:06.54 | aeronadix | I hate compiled software, I used to install woody apps onto sarge, but now sarge is stable so where are woody packages gone? |
| 01:07.06 | hakker | not seeing anything in the gdm or X logs that would indicate why it's not loading.. the only thing is that X is getting an error trying to load GLcore |
| 01:07.12 | bucky | slugbug, is it trying to find an export that's not there? |
| 01:07.13 | redge- | can i place a certain command to be runned at login screen at bootup? |
| 01:07.32 | plugwash | once removed from the mirrors it will still be availible from a special server that holds old releases |
| 01:07.33 | slugbug | bucky: No, the mounts work fine |
| 01:07.42 | angelFaria | what's drxx? |
| 01:07.49 | FieldySnuts | @poop |
| 01:07.54 | plugwash | aeronadix exactly where they always were in dists/woody on the mirrors |
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| 01:08.19 | plugwash | its just the dists/stable symlink now points at sarge |
| 01:08.24 | yoshio_ | !drxx |
| 01:08.24 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 01:08.25 | xaphod | wyzard, bucky, it looks like sarge mkinitrd can do root-on-lvm2, if you change ROOT=probe to ROOT=/dev/mapper/your_device in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf . I'm getting out of my league here! |
| 01:08.44 | yoshio_ | angelFaria: if you type "!drxx", the dpkg bot answers |
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| 01:08.53 | bucky | xaphod, ah.. excellent, thank you |
| 01:08.59 | Wyzard | xaphod: cool |
| 01:09.05 | angelFaria | i just did that on the console as root |
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| 01:09.15 | angelFaria | but couldn't save it |
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| 01:09.22 | plugwash | hmm archive.debian.org seems down |
| 01:09.22 | aeronadix | pluwash, I am not too familiar with how to add sources. I used to just changes my sources.list from testing to stable when I wanted to install woody apps onto sarge. But now I don't know what to do. |
| 01:09.23 | yoshio_ | angelFaria: no, in irc, not in the console |
| 01:09.34 | Wyzard | xaphod: /dev/mapper is where LVM volumes appear... if you have a VG called "foo" and a volume in it called "bar", "/dev/foo/bar" will be a symlink to "/dev/mapper/foo-bar" |
| 01:09.43 | Error_X | When the Detect network hardware shows up and I try to select 'forcedeth' as is my network driver, it returns back to the page with the driver selected |
| 01:09.53 | plugwash | aeronadix just change it to woody rather than stable |
| 01:10.15 | angelFaria | !drxx |
| 01:10.15 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 01:10.18 | yoshio_ | angelFaria: it's easier to type "!drxx" than tell someone to type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", hence the 'drxx' shortcut |
| 01:10.26 | xaphod | wyzard: here's my problem though -- i haven't made the LVM volumes yet. I want to compile up a nice kernel, reboot into another installation, trash things and make LVM volumes, then boot from this new kernel+initrd |
| 01:10.33 | aeronadix | plugwash, awesome thx |
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| 01:10.45 | bucky | hakker, which video driver are you using? |
| 01:11.12 | Wyzard | xaphod: Then after you do your repartitioning and have your LVM root filesystem all settled, chroot onto it and run mkinitrd |
| 01:11.26 | xaphod | ohhhhhhh. chroot. Right. Didn't think of that. |
| 01:11.36 | angelFaria | ok, sorry, all new for me :) |
| 01:11.56 | xaphod | ok i'm off to fry my router :P |
| 01:11.58 | aeronadix | ls |
| 01:11.59 | Wyzard | xaphod: Make sure to mount /proc on it before you chroot to it, or mkinitrd will probably get confused and fail to work |
| 01:12.11 | angelFaria | the problem is that i ran drxx but couldn't save changes |
| 01:12.21 | xaphod | ok |
| 01:12.42 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: if you want stable, stick with sarge. I like newer versions, so I stick with testing. some people don't recommend testing - stable and unstable gets fast security updates |
| 01:12.45 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:12.47 | bucky | angelFaria, did you run it as su or root? |
| 01:12.49 | meppl | gute nacht - good night |
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| 01:13.26 | aeronadix | yoshio, I am just trying to install innovation3d |
| 01:13.30 | shingouz | angelFaria: another thing, have you edited the XF86Config-4 manually? |
| 01:13.55 | ErikHK | hardware acceleration in Debian, is all I have to do install fglrx? Because I have done so, but in glxgears it still says im missing XFree86-DRI, I'm on Debian current |
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| 01:14.10 | yoshio_ | plugwash: snapshot.debian.net ? |
| 01:14.24 | ErikHK | or shall I install the driver (.run) on ati.com too? |
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| 01:14.35 | hakker | bucky: using the latest nvidia (non free) driver - card is a geforce 6800 |
| 01:15.10 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: I assume you are on sarge, does sarge have that package? |
| 01:15.13 | bucky | hakker, did you comment out Load GLcore and Load dri ? |
| 01:15.23 | unco | exit |
| 01:15.25 | hakker | bucky: re-read the nvidia instructions it says that you should remove the glcore module from the config file - but failing to load should not hurt GDM (in fact, it loaded before) |
| 01:15.38 | hakker | bucky: so, yeah |
| 01:15.50 | cthulfuego | hakker: What does /var/log/Xfree86.0.log say? |
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| 01:16.11 | bucky | hakker, maybe the installer didn't run all the way and install the glx libraries |
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| 01:16.39 | xaphod | crap, i'm back, having make-kpkg problems -- on my other computer make-kpkg pics up that i'm using grub and nicely updates the menu.lst for me. On this machine it doesn't, even after uninstalling lilo. Why? |
| 01:16.44 | bucky | hakker which version of debian are you using? |
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| 01:17.07 | hakker | bucky: i removed those, that error went away.. in fact, if I just startx, I have nice accelerated 3D |
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| 01:17.24 | hakker | bucky: the thing with gdm is almost like it can't find any xsession to load at all |
| 01:17.33 | Error_X | do I have to load some other modules than forcedeth? |
| 01:17.42 | hakker | bucky: immediately after entering my password, it restarts gdm |
| 01:17.43 | daesotho | What's the preferred method for preventing a module from being loaded? |
| 01:17.53 | caphuso | xaphod: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 01:17.53 | shingouz | !blacklist |
| 01:17.53 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 01:17.55 | bucky | hakker which version of debian are you using? |
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| 01:18.09 | cthulfuego | hakker: Fix your ~/.xsession |
| 01:18.11 | hakker | bucky: testing/sarge |
| 01:18.18 | ethics | is it a bug if theres badly directed symlink in a kernel image/headers? |
| 01:18.25 | daesotho | shingouz: thanks |
| 01:18.28 | angelFaria | i thik yes |
| 01:18.29 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: strange, packages.debian.org says innovation3d is version 0.66-1 in oldstable and unstable, usually testing and unstable are very different from stable |
| 01:18.34 | angelFaria | ups |
| 01:18.38 | hakker | cthulfuego: don't have one |
| 01:18.40 | shingouz | hakker: which is it. sarge = stable or testing = etch |
| 01:18.47 | cthulfuego | hakker: There is no testing/sarge. |
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| 01:18.53 | bucky | hakker, sarge is not testing now |
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| 01:19.00 | hakker | shingouz: oh, well, it "was" testing a little while ago.. so it's probably etch now heh |
| 01:19.04 | shingouz | !tell angelFaria about xmd5sum |
| 01:19.05 | xaphod | caphuso: thanks! |
| 01:19.15 | bucky | hakker i |
| 01:19.22 | hakker | yup, it's etch |
| 01:19.25 | angelFaria | !xmd5sum |
| 01:19.26 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 01:19.54 | angelFaria | thanks!! |
| 01:19.57 | FieldySnuts | !irritate hakker |
| 01:19.57 | dpkg | hakker: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd thx |
| 01:19.59 | shingouz | angelFaria: didnt you get a message from dpkg just a few seconds ago? read it, it is the same one you get when you hit the channel with those |
| 01:20.03 | phonic_ | i have the kernel installed by default, and i need the netfilter modules. can i get 'em via apt? |
| 01:20.13 | hakker | FieldySnuts: indeed |
| 01:20.26 | ethics | shingouz: out of curiosity the blacklisting stops the module from being loaded or just stops discover /hotplug loading? |
| 01:20.33 | AllKind | hi there. I fail installing a bootloader with debian-installer sarge using raid and lvm. already posted to 'debian-boot' a couple minutes ago. I'm quite lost :/ |
| 01:20.34 | cthulfuego | phonic_: if you have iptables and a normal kernel, you also have netfilter modules. |
| 01:20.39 | aeronadix | yoshio_, how did you check that |
| 01:20.39 | shingouz | stops the module from loading |
| 01:20.41 | hakker | how de-synched are etch and sarge already? |
| 01:20.44 | jim | ok, I wanna jigdo the first i386 sarge cd image... whadoido? |
| 01:20.51 | phonic_ | cthulfuego. i don't have them. |
| 01:20.51 | cthulfuego | hakker: 12 |
| 01:21.01 | cthulfuego | phonic_: Which kernel are you running? |
| 01:21.02 | FieldySnuts | cthulfuego: heh |
| 01:21.05 | cthulfuego | phonic_: (uname -r) |
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| 01:21.12 | phonic_ | cthulfuego. then maybe it's not the kernel installed by default. :-) |
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| 01:21.18 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: go to packages.debian.org, enter your package name, click button |
| 01:21.19 | ethics | phonic_ probably ..id expect theres a module assistant version in apt |
| 01:21.21 | phonic_ | 2.4.29-bf2.4 |
| 01:21.24 | aeronadix | yoshio_, I'm on sarge |
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| 01:21.33 | jim | that is bootable and has the installer? |
| 01:21.41 | cthulfuego | phonic_: Yeah, apt-cache search kernel-image; pick the newest 2.4 one for your cpu type. |
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| 01:21.50 | AllKind | jim get jigdo-lite, and the .jigdo files and templates. run jigdo-lite xxx.jigdo |
| 01:21.56 | phonic_ | ethics. can't find :-/ |
| 01:22.05 | Error_X | I have loaded forcedeth but when I try ifup eth0 I get: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device (Yes, I have added eth0 to the interfaces file) |
| 01:22.16 | cthulfuego | phonic_: You're running an installer kernel at the moment, which you don't want to be doing (because it has no netfilter module ;-) |
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| 01:22.26 | jim | AllKind: might there be a convenient url where most of that atuff is? I'm installing jigdo-lite now |
| 01:22.30 | phonic_ | cthulfuego. okey. the problem is that my hardware is quite strange so i suggest that the kernel i can get via apt won't boot |
| 01:22.42 | aeronadix | yoshio_, what kernel are you running? |
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| 01:22.48 | phonic_ | cthulfuego. heh okey. (: |
| 01:22.52 | cthulfuego | phonic_: It will. After all, the -bf kernel booted just fine. |
| 01:23.06 | phonic_ | well that's true |
| 01:23.11 | shingouz | has to be real exotic hardware, phonic_ |
| 01:23.12 | AllKind | jim: guide is on debian.org or jigdo site. it's all just one command tho. say yes to the rest. |
| 01:23.16 | Epod69 | hey, i compiled my own kernel for the first time in debian, and when i boot up to it is says: kernel panic : VFS :unable to mount root fs , anyone know what causes this problem ? |
| 01:23.19 | hakker | btw, sarge/gdm and etch/gdm are the same version |
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| 01:23.30 | resiak | Epod69: Why are you compiling your own? |
| 01:23.30 | jim | sarge just has these evidently: jigdo-file jigdo |
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| 01:23.38 | shingouz | Epod69: the kernel is incapable of accessing the root fs |
| 01:23.40 | resiak | Epod69: You didn't make an initrd. |
| 01:23.44 | resiak | !tell Epod69 -about debian reference |
| 01:23.54 | cthulfuego | Epod69: Apart from "incompetent user" ?;-) |
| 01:23.57 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: i'm using etch, with 2.4.27-10 2.6.8-16 2.6.10-4 . sarge released with 2.6.8 and maybe 2.4.27 |
| 01:24.19 | jim | I haver jigdo already |
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| 01:24.34 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: i'd been using them with sarge for quite a while |
| 01:24.35 | phonic_ | so, "kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp 2.6.11-6" should boot without any problem if 2.4.29-bf2.4 boots like a charm? |
| 01:24.35 | ethics | Error_X: so forcedeth is in lsmod? |
| 01:24.47 | cthulfuego | phonic_: Indeed. |
| 01:24.49 | phonic_ | it's important to know, cuz the box is co-located |
| 01:24.52 | phonic_ | cthulfuego. good. :-) |
| 01:24.55 | shingouz | phonic_: do you have many cpus? |
| 01:24.59 | aeronadix | yoshio_, You have to have new hardware to run 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:25.01 | Error_X | ethics: yepp |
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| 01:25.34 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: no, don't think so. I have a Pentium III mobile |
| 01:25.36 | phonic_ | shingouz. nope, but ht |
| 01:25.37 | cthulfuego | phonic_: if you're not sure about 2.6 kernels, there _will_ be a relatively new 2.4.x kernel for i686. |
| 01:25.41 | aeronadix | yoshio_, The older the hardware the older the kernel you will have to use? |
| 01:26.09 | cthulfuego | phonic_: Just let the co-lo managers know you're booting a new kernel, so they can fix it up if they need to. |
| 01:26.11 | hakker | hrm, gotta run |
| 01:26.12 | Error_X | ethics: It says; forcedeth 13952 0 |
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| 01:26.19 | phonic_ | cthulfuego. okey, but i prefer 2.6 :-) |
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| 01:26.23 | aeronadix | Yoshio_ Pentium III can handle all new kernels |
| 01:26.24 | phonic_ | cthulfuego. that costs money :/ |
| 01:26.31 | yoshio_ | sarge released with 2.6.8 because the same kernel needed to be released with all archs. 2.6.10 didn't meet that requirement, even though there are bugs in 2.6.8 |
| 01:26.42 | cthulfuego | phonic_: it does? |
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| 01:26.49 | cthulfuego | phonic_: Mine doesn't charge for that. Tssk. |
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| 01:26.58 | xaphod | wyzard, after I chroot into my newly LVM'd installation and somehow use mkinitrd to make me an initrd, how do I actually have that initrd image get used next time i reboot? |
| 01:27.11 | aeronadix | yoshio_, my mozilla runs slow when I try to download files. Have you tried a testing version of it? |
| 01:27.16 | AllKind | hm, so any1 ever installed sarge with software raid and lvm, from sratch by booting from cd? |
| 01:27.16 | phonic_ | cthulfuego. you're lucky :> |
| 01:27.17 | cthulfuego | phonic_: Anyway, make _certain_ module-init-tools is installed and make _certain_ the symlinks for kernel and initrd are set up correctly. |
| 01:27.27 | cthulfuego | phonic_: get what ya pay for, i guess. |
| 01:27.39 | phonic_ | probably |
| 01:27.51 | ethics | yoshio_ etch does |
| 01:27.51 | ethics | yoshio_ etch doesnt have a 2.6.10 kernel.... |
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| 01:28.13 | WiFiTux | ethics, then? |
| 01:28.13 | AllKind | heh, hope so. but i fail. so looking for more experience ppl ;) |
| 01:28.20 | monsoon- | cthulfuego: I grepped all the (debi sarge amd64) jigido templates and only found ndiswrapper-source, do I need ndiswrapper-utils deb as well to use ndiswrapper? |
| 01:28.28 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: I'm using mozilla-browse 1.7.8-1 and mozilla-firefo 1.0.4-2, don't think the browser makes a difference in download speed |
| 01:28.31 | cthulfuego | AllKind: yes, in vmware, works fine. |
| 01:28.48 | cthulfuego | monsoon-: Yes. |
| 01:28.52 | Wyzard | xaphod: Do you use initrd kernels currently? |
| 01:28.55 | cthulfuego | !info ndiswrapper-utils |
| 01:29.01 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-utils: (Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
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| 01:29.08 | xaphod | wyzard: no, but i've compiled in support for initrd |
| 01:29.11 | yoshio_ | ethics: I'm using the same kernels from sarge, haven't tried upgrading yet |
| 01:29.15 | angelFaria | kde startup has sound but cdplayer only works for a second. problems with onboard soundcard |
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| 01:29.33 | monsoon- | cthulfuego: is it normal that it's not on any of the amd64 sarge iso's? |
| 01:29.41 | aeronadix | yoshio_, I don't mean download speed, I mean when I right click a link and click, download link target as, it takes for ever for the save window to open up |
| 01:29.44 | corianno | hey, what do i have to do to comiple amsn 0.95b traydock????????/ |
| 01:29.56 | monsoon- | cthulfuego: oh it says optional ... |
| 01:29.59 | Wyzard | xaphod: If you build a kernel with "--initrd", when you install the .deb, it'll automatically run mkinitrd and put the initrd in /boot alongside the kernel... you just have to make sure your bootloader is configured to load the initrd |
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| 01:30.09 | aeronadix | corianno, ./configure, make, make install |
| 01:30.13 | cthulfuego | monsoon-: it's optional, but not if you want to actually USE ndiswrapper. |
| 01:30.20 | AllKind | V~cthulfuego, i configure 1 part for raid on each of 2 ide disks. setup lvm on them, then format with reiserfs the logical volumes i built. then it fails installing lilo into /dev/md0 and grub fails installing into hd0. |
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| 01:30.41 | jim | how large is the net install cd (http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html) image? |
| 01:30.45 | xaphod | wyzard: you mean throw in --initrd when running make-kpkg? and my bootloader is grub... |
| 01:30.47 | plugwash | erm |
| 01:30.49 | corianno | aeronadix, i have alredy compiled amsn.. but i want to compile the traydock... where is it? |
| 01:30.57 | cthulfuego | AllKind: Step one: don't use reiserfs. |
| 01:30.58 | Wyzard | xaphod: yeah |
| 01:31.02 | plugwash | doesn't ndiswrapper wrap 32 bit windows drivers |
| 01:31.12 | monsoon- | cthulfuego: hmmm maybe I can just get the ndiswrapper-utils deb seperatley then? since its not on any sarge iso's |
| 01:31.18 | plugwash | and that being the case isn't it only suitable for 3 bit kernels? |
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| 01:31.26 | cthulfuego | monsoon-: You should be able to, yes. |
| 01:31.27 | plugwash | *32 bit kernels |
| 01:31.34 | AllKind | cthulfuego: ah? |
| 01:31.36 | Wyzard | xaphod: Wouldn't be a bad idea to buid and install the kernel first, just to make sure it works, and then after you repartiton, just install the kernel .deb again (which will generate a new initrd) |
| 01:31.36 | davem | cthulfuego: What's wrong with reiser? |
| 01:31.36 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: If I right click an image, do save as, it does take a while to pop up. nowhere near as slow as the 0.9.x releases before woody's release, which had the debug code still in it |
| 01:31.44 | monsoon- | thx cthulfuego |
| 01:32.06 | AllKind | reiserfs should work on that as a sharm... at least from theory... |
| 01:32.08 | xaphod | wyzard: I can't do that, because for mkinitrd to find /dev/mapper/* I have to have LVM partitions, and I won't have them yet |
| 01:32.30 | AllKind | like i found here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/07/msg01195.html |
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| 01:32.34 | cthulfuego | AllKind: "should" and 'will" are two different things. |
| 01:32.39 | htaccess | how come when i follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes and do # aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade it always has some packages in "The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:" should --with-recomends not upgrade these? |
| 01:32.45 | Wyzard | xaphod: Then don't edit that line until after you repartition... but you can build the kernel and verify that you have the initrd working under "normal" conditions, before you do the repartitioning |
| 01:33.00 | MutinyWork | hi. is there a way to get `apt` or `dpkg --configure` to run in some kind of debug mode? i'm trying to install bacula-director-pgsql from apt but it's giving me an error and I'd like to try to diagnose it. |
| 01:33.05 | AllKind | ctulfuego: aight, that's why i said should ;) |
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| 01:33.14 | Wyzard | MutinyWork: What's the error? |
| 01:33.23 | Azar | htaccess, maybe they are optional |
| 01:33.26 | MutinyWork | "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 01:33.36 | MutinyWork | i'm assuming something went all pear-shaped during the configuration process. |
| 01:33.37 | jim | AllKind: well reiser3 is rumored to occasionally lose all your data... |
| 01:33.41 | Wyzard | MutinyWork: Look earlier in the output for the real error message |
| 01:33.50 | jim | maybe they fixed that |
| 01:33.57 | MutinyWork | oh, yes, wrong line. subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 01:34.23 | Wyzard | MutinyWork: OK, the postinst script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.postinst |
| 01:34.27 | cthulfuego | AllKind: Actually, did you make a small (100-ish mb) non-raid non-lvm /boot partition? |
| 01:34.28 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: mozilla is version 1.7.8-1 in stable,testing,unstable, only woody uses 1.0.0 (from packages.debian.org) |
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| 01:34.38 | Wyzard | MutinyWork: You can view it in a text editor and try running the commands manually to see what goes wrong |
| 01:34.38 | aeronadix | yoshio_, I am using mozilla 1.7.8 too |
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| 01:35.24 | AllKind | ctulfuego: no, that's why i want to use raid, to be able to boot, even if a drive fails. |
| 01:35.27 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: mozilla-firefox is 1.0.4-2 on stable/testing/unstable, except some archs now have 1.0.4-3 in unstable |
| 01:35.30 | aeronadix | yoshio_, I use dillo, and then only use mozilla when I have to authenticate for email or something |
| 01:35.50 | aeronadix | yoshio_, Do you think it will be faster? |
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| 01:35.57 | MutinyWork | Wyzard, thanks for the hint, i managed to track that file down, thanks though. :) |
| 01:35.58 | Epod69 | so what did i do wrong compiling my own kernel, i read the reference the only thing i never did was the modconf thing, which it says is a kernel 2.4 thingy |
| 01:36.06 | AllKind | and from theory... (again) raid and lvm as boot 'device' should work. |
| 01:36.13 | cthulfuego | AllKind: Ok, what you do then is partition both disks to have 100Mb raid and rest lvm, use the two raid partitions to set up a 100Mb raid1 non-lvm /boot (that will work fine) |
| 01:36.13 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: i tried dillo a long time ago, wasn't feature full at that time. is it good now? |
| 01:36.59 | cthulfuego | AllKind: if you make /bot be ext2 or ext3 it will be highly compatible and work just dandy (it's what I have). use lilo and you may need to tweak the lilo.conf file to tell it about the raid setup. |
| 01:37.02 | Azar | Epod69 did you edit lilo.conf after compiling the new kernel? |
| 01:37.04 | xaphod | wyzard: do i need to have a separate partition for /boot that isn't LVM, so grub can understand it? |
| 01:37.14 | Epod69 | Azar, i use the default grub |
| 01:37.15 | Wyzard | xaphod: yes |
| 01:37.22 | Sirgado | vmware installer says: As of September 2003, the Linux kernel development team does not support gcc version 3 and later. See Documentation/Changes in your kernel source directory for information on installing the correct compiler. |
| 01:37.26 | Azar | Epod69 oh, I see |
| 01:37.32 | Sirgado | I thought that was fixed |
| 01:37.44 | Epod69 | and i checked grub.lst and its in there and it came up when i started the computer |
| 01:37.51 | xaphod | right |
| 01:37.52 | cthulfuego | Sirgado: New kernerls compile fine with gcc 3 and up. |
| 01:37.53 | Sirgado | it may be dangerous if use my gcc 3.3.5? |
| 01:37.57 | Wyzard | Sirgado: I have vmware 4.x installed; works fine |
| 01:38.01 | cthulfuego | Sirgado: I just built a kernel with gcc 4 |
| 01:38.11 | aeronadix | yoshio_, it still isn't feature full, but the sarge version has much more feature then woody. |
| 01:38.12 | Sirgado | i hope so, I compile my kernel using it |
| 01:38.14 | AllKind | ctulfuego: so you think the problem is the lvm? |
| 01:38.26 | Sirgado | ok, thank you very much :) |
| 01:38.37 | Azar | Epod69 I have no idea how grub handles new kernels at bootup |
| 01:38.38 | cthulfuego | AllKind: I epect it's interfering, yes. You can use LVM for /, but leave /boot to be just raid. |
| 01:38.38 | Epod69 | also, i get the same error if i boot to linspire too now... |
| 01:38.40 | Wyzard | Sirgado: You'll need to apply an unofficial patch to make it work with 2.6 kernels, but I haven't had any compiler-version-related troubles |
| 01:38.45 | corianno | i am trying to compile amsn 0,95b dock... and i have an error.... http://channels.debian.net/paste/222 |
| 01:38.54 | yoshio_ | aeronadix: i'll have to try dillo again sometime soon. what kernel do you run? |
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| 01:39.05 | Sirgado | I got 2.6 kernel |
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| 01:39.16 | AllKind | cthulfuego: thanks for the tip. i will go over to the box and try immediately :) |
| 01:39.19 | aeronadix | yoshio_, 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 01:39.46 | Epod69 | Azar, is there a way to get my bootup log from the last startup, when it errored ? |
| 01:40.03 | Wyzard | Sirgado: I don't remember the address of the site to get that unofficial patch from, but a google search for "linux 2.6 vmware nvidia" should turn up an article explaining how to make the nVidia and VMware driver modules work under 2.6, and that has a link to the patch |
| 01:40.11 | Wyzard | Sirgado: That's how I find it anytime I need it :-) |
| 01:40.23 | Azar | Epod69 I have not used/experienced grub ever. I have no idea how it works. |
| 01:40.24 | AllKind | hm, should i try grub or lilo to be used? |
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| 01:40.36 | Wyzard | Sirgado: (Note that the nVidia advice on that page is outdated though -- nVidia's driver officially supports 2.6 now) |
| 01:40.51 | Sirgado | ok Wyzard , I'll find it, thanks! |
| 01:41.17 | Epod69 | i thought all grub and lilo do is give you the options of what os to load....they dont control the actual startup sequence do they ? |
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| 01:41.32 | Wyzard | Epod69: They're responsible for actually loading the kernel from disk into memory, too |
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| 01:41.48 | Azar | Epod69 lilo gives me the chance to see and edit it... grub seems to have his own ways which I do not know |
| 01:41.49 | yoshio_ | Epod69: /var/log/messages |
| 01:41.50 | Epod69 | didnt know that |
| 01:41.55 | Wyzard | Epod69: But once the kernel is loaded and starts running, grub/lilo's job is done |
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| 01:42.48 | dippo | isn't there a page that tracks Debian upgrade bugs? anyone know where that is? |
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| 01:43.08 | Wyzard | Azar: The main difference between grub and lilo is that grub actually mounts the filesystem and looks up the file by name, rather than using a precalculated list of sectors like lilo does, so you don't have to re-run a map installer every time you install a new kernel, like you do with lilo |
| 01:43.26 | Wyzard | Azar: IMO, grub is better, but lilo still works fine and it's fine to stick with it if you're comfortable with it |
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| 01:43.56 | cthulfuego | woo |
| 01:43.56 | AllKind | i have a non technical question :) as soon sarge went stable on 6th of june, i downloaded debian 3.1r0, now few days later cdimages show 3.1r0a. I cant find any announce for changes, nor does apt-get upgrade do anything. what changed? |
| 01:44.07 | squisher | hi everyone, does anyone happen to know if there is a .deb for dbus 0.33? |
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| 01:44.12 | Azar | Wyzard, you have seen how fast I panick when I cannot see and fix what is going on: I am the type of :seeing is believing. |
| 01:44.14 | Epod69 | yoshio_, does that show my startup messeges before the current boot i just did ? |
| 01:44.19 | Epod69 | its a huge script.... |
| 01:44.21 | cthulfuego | AllKind: The link to the security updates on the r0 was broken. |
| 01:44.32 | cthulfuego | AllKind: it's fixed on r0a |
| 01:44.39 | phonic | well |
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| 01:44.45 | phonic | i apt-getted the new kernel |
| 01:44.48 | Wyzard | AllKind: There was an announcement on debian-devel-announce... the link for security.debian.org in sources.list installed by 3.1r0 was wrong |
| 01:44.50 | phonic | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Jun 14 03:29 initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.11-1-686-smp |
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| 01:44.53 | phonic | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 Jun 14 03:44 vmlinuz -> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-1-686-smp |
| 01:45.02 | phonic | that seems to be correct, right? |
| 01:45.11 | AllKind | cthulfuego: so i should actually re-jigdo the files to update my .iso images? |
| 01:45.15 | cthulfuego | phonic: Are they references properly in lilo.conf or menu.lst? |
| 01:45.38 | phonic | cthulfuego. yes. |
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| 01:45.43 | phonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.43 | phonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.43 | phonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.43 | phonic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:45.46 | Wyzard | squisher: The current version of the "dbus-1" package in sid is 0.23.4-3 |
| 01:45.47 | snadge | is anyone aware of a problem with sharing a ppp connection over ethernet using nat.. if the mtu/mru of the ppp connection is smaller than the ethernet one, you are unable to browse websites via nat.. eg connection stalls.. but from the box thats directly conencted, browsing is fine? |
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| 01:45.50 | phonic | sorry. |
| 01:45.52 | cthulfuego | AllKind: No. |
| 01:45.59 | baler | how do i change the default kernel to boot in grub? |
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| 01:46.04 | cthulfuego | AllKind: Just fix up sources.list by hand after install. |
| 01:46.05 | yoshio_ | Epod69: there is a cron job or something that rotates the log files, see /var/log/messag*, I have logs going back a few months |
| 01:46.09 | phonic | i have that 4 lines in my lilo.conf, cthulfuego |
| 01:46.10 | Wyzard | squisher: So aside from unofficial sources maybe, no, there isn't |
| 01:46.14 | AllKind | ah, ok.. |
| 01:46.21 | cthulfuego | phonic: Cool, should be sweet, then. |
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| 01:46.42 | AllKind | u guys look very helpful thx... l8er ;) |
| 01:46.47 | Azar | run /sbin/lilo before reboot |
| 01:46.57 | angelFaria | Epod69: look in /var/log/syslog |
| 01:47.01 | Wyzard | AllKind: Wouldn't hurt to update your CD images (it's a very tiny download if you already have 3.1r0 images), but you don't need to reinstall, just edit sources.list and fix the line |
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| 01:47.26 | yoshio_ | baler: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, change the "default x", where x is the default kernel to boot (starts with '0') |
| 01:47.28 | AllKind | yeah, thought i might update cd1, as i have to do multible installs next days. |
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| 01:47.46 | yoshio_ | baler: rather start counting from zero, which is the first one |
| 01:47.54 | cthulfuego | Woot, 2.6.12-rc6-git6 works |
| 01:48.05 | AllKind | 0=1 has always been like that :) |
| 01:49.04 | squisher | Wyzard: I actually saw it on http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html, but don't know where to download it (I obviously don't care that is has not yet been accepted...) |
| 01:49.36 | Epod69 | cant find the error anywhere in syslog or messeges |
| 01:50.13 | MidWay_ | Don't you love it when you forget about an IRC session in a unused screen window? : idle : 166 hours 4 mins 15 secs |
| 01:50.16 | Epod69 | i will try to get the exact error, brb |
| 01:50.20 | MidWay_ | Spose I should /quit this one :P |
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| 01:50.37 | makaveli0129 | what is the command to remove a directory? |
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| 01:50.45 | Azar | Epod69 so basically you say that you have just compiled a new kernel (higher version maybe..) and you are still booting with the old kernel? |
| 01:50.52 | cthulfuego | makaveli0129: 'man rm', 'man rmdir'. |
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| 01:51.15 | phonic | how do I stop exim4 to start at boot? |
| 01:51.20 | Wyzard | squisher: The Debian Developer's Reference would probably tell you where packages waiting in NEW are stored... if not, ask in #debian-devel |
| 01:51.29 | AllKind | update-rc.d -f exim4 remove |
| 01:51.40 | phonic | thanks |
| 01:51.40 | Azar | makaveli0129: interactive study for you: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 01:51.44 | Wyzard | squisher: Keep in mind that unless that dbus package "Provides: dbus-1", it won't satisfy dependencies for existing packages |
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| 01:52.15 | squisher | Wyzard: actually, if I'm not misreading it, it's in experimental, which I just added to my source.list, but I don't know how to get apt-cache/apt-get to use experimental instead of unstable.... |
| 01:52.21 | makaveli0129 | cthulfuego: when i type "rmdir" it says directory not empty |
| 01:52.37 | Azar | good question there: which is the file that can be edited to customize whatever loads on boot time? |
| 01:52.43 | Wyzard | squisher: No, it's not actually in experimental. It was uploaded to be installed in experimental, but it has to wait in the NEW queue first. |
| 01:52.49 | AllKind | mak: rm -r |
| 01:53.03 | AllKind | ;p |
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| 01:53.11 | Azar | makaveli0129, read the link I gave you it has lots of good stuff to find out |
| 01:53.14 | cristian_C | hola a todos |
| 01:53.21 | cthulfuego | !es |
| 01:53.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:53.54 | cthulfuego | makaveli0129: I didn't say 'type rmdir", I said " read the manual". |
| 01:53.55 | binaryc | Midway - don't you love it when you forget about a compute in the basement , uptime 8 months |
| 01:54.24 | cthulfuego | makaveli0129: And lo behol,d in the man page: Remove the DIRECTORY(ies), if they are empty. |
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| 01:55.13 | squisher | Wyzard: ok, you are probably right... I guess I should ask in #debian-devel then, thanks a bunch for your help |
| 01:55.20 | Azar | cthulfuego: question about this issue: if you want to remove a directory with lots of files what could be a good shortcut to "delete all" in that directory? |
| 01:55.26 | prodope | s |
| 01:55.33 | raf256 | hello, anyone here uses GPG signed emails? I want to send you my email to see if all works ok |
| 01:55.40 | Azar | as opposed to rm each and every one file? |
| 01:55.49 | Epod69 | hey, here is the error i get after about a screen and a half of lines, Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 01:56.06 | cristian_C | i want to configure iptables!! |
| 01:56.12 | shingouz | Epod69: custom kernel? |
| 01:56.15 | Azar | grub did not did its job? |
| 01:56.18 | Epod69 | shingouz, yea |
| 01:56.29 | jim | cristian_C: netfilter.org |
| 01:56.34 | Azar | cristian_C me too |
| 01:56.36 | cristian_C | ok thx! |
| 01:56.49 | jim | it;s got lotsa stuf |
| 01:57.03 | shingouz | Epod69: you either forgot to make the initrd or to compile the drivers needed to access the root fs statically into the kernel. reconfigure and recompile |
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| 01:57.29 | Epod69 | shingouz...maybe i forgot both... =| |
| 01:57.39 | shingouz | Epod69: not both, either |
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| 01:58.13 | Azar | jim, netfilter in tandem with iptables, or netfilter the next best thing to replace iptables? |
| 01:58.16 | shingouz | Epod69: compiling kernels for the hell of it is not usually a good pastime in anycase |
| 01:58.32 | jim | Azar: netfilter is iptables |
| 01:58.34 | Epod69 | well i used the debian package thing to make the new kernel into a .deb and i installed it that way...that is all i did, i thought it did everything else for me |
| 01:58.36 | cralost | hi |
| 01:58.41 | Azar | oh , than ks jim |
| 01:58.44 | Wyzard | shingouz: It's a good learning experience though |
| 01:58.50 | vile_maxim | I'm trying to figure out how to get sympa working with exim4. It seems that all that's left to do is get exim4 to start using sympa's alias file as well as it's own. Anyone know how to do this? |
| 01:59.05 | Epod69 | shingouz, i cant get my sound to work, i figured i could try loading the kernel ones... |
| 01:59.16 | shingouz | Wyzard: i know. with the systems i have here i usually have to make customs |
| 01:59.27 | AllKind | iptables is the frontend to netfilter |
| 01:59.43 | Wyzard | Epod69: You have to either compile into the kernel the drivers that are needed to access your hard drive and the root filesystem it contains, or compile them in and tell make-kpkg to arrange for the kernel to use an initrd |
| 01:59.55 | AllKind | user space program to control the kernel functions. |
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| 02:00.24 | Wyzard | Epod69: make-kpkg automates the mechanics of actually building the kernel, but it doesn't presume to know better than you how it should be configured |
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| 02:01.03 | Epod69 | Wyzard, what way is better ? |
| 02:01.15 | shingouz | Epod69: configuring the kernel is the critical step, take your time; it may very well take hours before you have it all done as it is supposed to be |
| 02:01.27 | shingouz | Epod69: the debian way if you run debian |
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| 02:02.02 | Wyzard | Epod69: Debian's precompiled kernels use initrd because it's the only practical way to have a kernel that supports all kinds of hardware without compiling in tons of drivers, but for a custom kernel where the target hardware is known, it's mostly a matter of personal preference |
| 02:02.14 | angelFaria | printserver help needed CUPS |
| 02:02.22 | Wyzard | Epod69: I use initrd just because I like having things built as modules rather than compiled-in |
| 02:02.31 | shingouz | !tell angelFaria about sicco |
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| 02:02.42 | Epod69 | yea, how do i make it use initrd ? |
| 02:02.53 | Wyzard | Epod69: "--initrd" when running make-kpkg |
| 02:03.14 | shingouz | Epod69: you either use initrd or compile them statically. personally i do not like initrd at all, too much of a pain in the ass |
| 02:03.22 | Epod69 | dumb question, where is initrd anyways ? |
| 02:03.47 | Wyzard | Epod69: Where? The initrd file gets placed in /boot and loaded by your bootloader. |
| 02:03.58 | Epod69 | so all te debian prebuilt kernels use initrd ? |
| 02:04.02 | Wyzard | Epod69: yes |
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| 02:04.17 | angelFaria | want to have printserver on debian, 1 lpt printer and 1 usb |
| 02:04.22 | Epod69 | does initrd control what modules are loaded on startup ? |
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| 02:04.30 | angelFaria | both were installled |
| 02:04.36 | angelFaria | none prints |
| 02:04.41 | phonic | is there a file where i can add ip addresses to virtual interfaces, like gentoo's /etc/conf.d/net; |
| 02:04.45 | phonic | ? |
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| 02:04.52 | GmLB | I just netbooted a box that I want to debootstrap. It came up fine but now it isn't giving me a login prompt and jsut says "INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes." Any suggestions? |
| 02:04.53 | Wyzard | Epod69: It loads whatever modules are needed to access your root filesystem (IDE support and ext3 support, for example), but that's all |
| 02:04.53 | Bols | hmm.. is there a way to install all the webmin modules with a command, plz? |
| 02:05.28 | Wyzard | Epod69: Once the root filesystem is mounted, the initrd's job is done, and loading other driver modules (for your sound card, network card, etc.) is handled by the normal boot process |
| 02:05.32 | Epod69 | Wyzard, my other distro, dont laugh (linspire), gets the ame error, how do i fix that ? |
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| 02:06.07 | Wyzard | Epod69: Same advice there: you need to either compile the necessary drivers into your kernel, or use an initrd. |
| 02:06.22 | raf256 | anyone here uses GPG signing of emails? |
| 02:06.28 | angelFaria | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 02:06.28 | dpkg | it has been said that cooperation in asking for help is trying to give as much relevent information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about SICCO and research. abbreviated as cia |
| 02:06.52 | Wyzard | Epod69: Linspire is based on Debian, so you might be able to use make-kpkg there, but I've never used it (and it's unsupported in #debian) so don't ask here if it doesn't work |
| 02:06.56 | Epod69 | Wyzard, so do you know what, in order, what files are checked to see what should be loaded ? |
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| 02:07.09 | Wyzard | Epod69: man mkinitrd |
| 02:07.40 | shingouz | angelFaria: you can /msg dpkg foo so that you do not clutter up the channel you know |
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| 02:09.26 | jotham | how do find out what xfree driver to use with an onboard ATI '3d rage pro agp' chip? i can't find it on the xfree86 site |
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| 02:09.55 | Epod69 | Wyzard, i only want the kernel sound modules to load and not any other sound modules which are being loaded so what conf files or scripts are there to see what debian is loading as modules at start up ? |
| 02:10.05 | cthulfuego | jotham: 'ati' in the list in the X config dialog. |
| 02:10.27 | jotham | cthulfuego: i tried that, but when the xfree is running i get told i have no 3d acceleration |
| 02:10.39 | Wyzard | Epod69: There are no "other" sound modules besides the kernel's sound modules, so I'm not sure what you mean |
| 02:10.53 | cthulfuego | jotham: yeah. Sucks doesn't it? |
| 02:10.59 | Wyzard | Epod69: "Module" in this context is short for "kernel module" |
| 02:11.09 | jotham | cthulfuego: so i assume it is the wrong driver |
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| 02:11.42 | cthulfuego | jotham: Is it an actual r128 or a Rage64 like mine? |
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| 02:12.09 | cthulfuego | jotham: More to the point, what mobo/laptop? |
| 02:12.10 | Epod69 | Wyzard..hmm, well the prebuilt one i am using right now is giving me a mixup of oss and alsa drivers and i cant get sound to work correctly, that is why i built my own so that i can select exactly what sound card i have and to use only alsa, with the oss emulation of course |
| 02:12.14 | dbeal | I installed Debian under a Fedora VPS with debootstrap. I could not be more tickled. |
| 02:12.34 | abrotman | Wyzard: xenocross! |
| 02:12.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: chronogears! |
| 02:12.54 | jotham | cthulfuego: i don't know how to find that out, i have 5 boxes with the same onboard video, that's why i'd like to sort this out, lspci says it's ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X, but god knows where it gets that string from |
| 02:13.00 | Wyzard | Epod69: The kernel doesn't automatically load any modules. If they're being loaded, it's probably by something like discover. |
| 02:13.01 | angelFaria | you canshingouz: sorry, it's my first time here, couldn't quite figure what u mean " /msg dpkg foo " |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | jotham: that's a pretty common onboard video card |
| 02:13.26 | cthulfuego | jotham: From the pci id, which looks it up in a database. (/var/lib/misc/pci.ids |
| 02:13.36 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:13.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:13.58 | dbeal | The VPS company doesn't offer anything but Fedora or Windows (2k server). When I told them I installed Debian they freaked out thinking that I was going to "break the VPS." |
| 02:14.02 | cthulfuego | jotham: I'm _faily_ sure that's a Rage 64, which does not in fact do 3D at all under linux. |
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| 02:14.40 | yoshio_ | angelFaria: type "/msg dpkg java" for example in irc |
| 02:14.40 | angelFaria | shingouz: sorry, it's my first time here, couldn't quite figure what u mean " /msg dpkg foo " |
| 02:14.47 | Epod69 | Wyzard, well how do i configure discover, someone told me i should probably turn it off and use the startup conf file, cant think of the name right now |
| 02:14.58 | abrotman | cthulfuego: sure it does .. with software :) |
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| 02:15.49 | shingouz | angelFaria: you type '/msg dpkg drxx' on the irc line where you type all the stuff you want to say. try it |
| 02:15.51 | jotham | ok |
| 02:16.02 | jotham | basically this card would work better under win2k then |
| 02:16.17 | MyOwnLittlWorld | anyone know how I would go about setting up a personal firewall in debian? (this is for a desktop machine on a college lan... or namely, even the intranet can't be trusted) - it says I need certain packages installed to use iptables and knetfilter, but I'm having trouble figuring out what packages are actually required... |
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| 02:16.20 | nelson | chown root lib |
| 02:16.24 | dbeal | But it's rather simple, considering I just need Debian for its server software packages, not for any hardware-related software. The VPS shouldn't care whatsoever what services are running, or where they came from. Important things that need kernel awareness like iptables are standardized across distros, I hope, or think. |
| 02:16.25 | nelson | damn, wrong window. |
| 02:16.44 | jotham | MyOwnLittlWorld: #miyagi? or www.shorewall.net |
| 02:16.53 | jotham | MyOwnLittlWorld: i use the latter, and work with the former |
| 02:17.29 | AllKind | MyOwnLittlWorld fwbuilder might be easy with drag and drop. |
| 02:17.56 | wolaopa | hi guys, i can go online in root and then switch session to non-root or go online in non-root via su. any diff in terms of security? |
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| 02:18.08 | yoshio_ | Epod69: /etc/discover*, also check /etc/modules* , maybe /etc/hotplug/ |
| 02:18.08 | AllKind | MyOwnLittlWorld: but its all iptables based. so apt-get -u install iptables ... |
| 02:18.09 | dbeal | shorewall's flexible, and nice, but..ipmasq is completely automatic and standard |
| 02:18.18 | Epod69 | is isa on any current machines ? |
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| 02:18.33 | Epod69 | im in /etc/discover now, it looks pretty simple |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | Epod69: you'd hope not .. but i've seen it on some specialized boards |
| 02:18.35 | dbeal | i.e. i can't figure out how to customize ipmasq |
| 02:18.41 | ethics | !tell Epod69 about blacklist |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | Epod69: common boards don't ahve it |
| 02:19.00 | Epod69 | well i have an ibm p4 1.8... |
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| 02:19.09 | MyOwnLittlWorld | wolaopa: anything you can do normally can be done by the online account... anything you can't do (the permissions you're denied as a normal user) the online account can't do. surfing as non-root is safer |
| 02:19.40 | MyOwnLittlWorld | (forgive me if any of that was inaccurate: I'm still thinking in MSFT terms with active-x and ie) |
| 02:19.43 | AllKind | there are also other tools like ferm or netscript, or others.. maybe apt-cache search firewall | iptables |
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| 02:19.57 | wolaopa | MyOwnLittlWorld, sounds like a riddle. |
| 02:20.09 | ethics | Epod69: i dont believe intel has made any boards past the 815 chipsets with ISA at all..Via i dont know but i think apollo chipsets marked a major change |
| 02:20.29 | dbeal | <opinion>i ended up dumping shorewall because it's klunky and the way its syntax maps to iptables logic becomes vague as requirements become more complex. |
| 02:20.30 | MyOwnLittlWorld | wolaopa: what you can do is what someone can make your computer do. the less you can screw it up, the less people can screw it up for you |
| 02:20.38 | Epod69 | ethics, ok, i think it will be safe to disable the support then =) |
| 02:20.40 | MyOwnLittlWorld | * is also what someone |
| 02:20.44 | nelson | Okay .... this is goofy. I'm trying to run ftpd chrooted. |
| 02:20.46 | crashbg | where can i put a script - i need i file that is executed at the last time possible, after all drivers and other stuff just before login |
| 02:20.55 | crashbg | i need to add just 2 lines |
| 02:20.58 | Epod69 | i dont have a /etc/modules folder... |
| 02:21.04 | Epod69 | this normal ? |
| 02:21.06 | Guerin | !bootmisc |
| 02:21.07 | nelson | I have the user directory populated with the shared libraries. |
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| 02:21.16 | MyOwnLittlWorld | (did that make any sense at all?) |
| 02:21.17 | Error_X | Where is the precompiled kernel path? |
| 02:21.22 | nelson | if I strace ftpd, I can even see it READING /lib/librt.so.1 |
| 02:21.25 | Guerin | Epod69: /etc/modules should be a filre |
| 02:21.27 | crashbg | !bootmisc |
| 02:21.37 | Guerin | !bootmisc.sh |
| 02:21.37 | nelson | And yet ftpd tells me that it cannot find librt.so.1 !!! WTF??? |
| 02:21.38 | Epod69 | ah, lol |
| 02:21.45 | ethics | crashbg: make a shellscript as 99 in RC... |
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| 02:21.49 | ethics | Error_X: /boot /lib/modules/ are the two places of note |
| 02:21.51 | dbeal | nelson, don't strace it then |
| 02:21.54 | Guerin | crashbg: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 02:22.06 | Guerin | !test |
| 02:22.06 | dpkg | No, guerin, you're not online any more. |
| 02:22.09 | nelson | dbeal: same result whether I strace it or not. |
| 02:22.15 | dbeal | nelson, i'm just kidding-->does it chroot itself? |
| 02:22.42 | crashbg | well ok... so bootmisc.sh is executed after loading all modules and stuff? |
| 02:22.43 | wolaopa | MyOwnLittlWorld, that is generally true. i am concerned about how secure it is when i have gone online in root and then switch to non-root. |
| 02:22.59 | stranger | i don't see why people want to leave technology in the hands of the IBMs, the Intels, the AMD......why is everybody willing for the corportations to bite them in the ass and extract all their wealth with restricted and proprietary components. |
| 02:23.01 | dbeal | for a moment before it chroots itself, it's got access to the previous root..so what if it needs to load certain libs at that point. |
| 02:23.04 | Error_X | I'm trying to install the nForce drivers, but it says; cannot find a precompiled kernel |
| 02:23.05 | nelson | dbeal: yes, it chroots. |
| 02:23.07 | Guerin | !bootmisc is where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. |
| 02:23.07 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 02:23.11 | wolaopa | i mean 'switch session'. |
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| 02:23.25 | Guerin | Error_X: do you have a precompiled kernel? |
| 02:23.30 | crashbg | ok i hope it works |
| 02:23.32 | Epod69 | so can i just type mkinitrd (kernel) to make the initrd file or do i have to make-kpkg --initrd to make one.. ? |
| 02:23.34 | crashbg | for my case |
| 02:23.35 | stranger | i think more attention needs to be placed on free hardware instead of sluffing off the issue. |
| 02:23.38 | cinix | So I'm trying to install two version of linux and have grub boot both of them, but they don't know about each others kernel packages so update-grub doesn't really work. how do I make changes and have it stay for both without overwriting them |
| 02:23.44 | nelson | dbeal: ftpd chroots itself, and then it fork/execs /bin/ls |
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| 02:23.53 | cinix | and if I edit the menu.lst file, is that make the changes immediately, or do I need to rewrite grub tot he mbr |
| 02:23.56 | dbeal | nelson, as long as it doesn't access librt.so after the chroot has been done. also, perhaps it is the prefork parent that you are strace'ing. |
| 02:24.00 | Error_X | Guerin: I guess so, I downloaded the kernel-image thing |
| 02:24.10 | Error_X | and set it up to lilo, and loaded it |
| 02:24.13 | Guerin | stranger: are you the same person as was trolling on this topic yesterday? |
| 02:24.23 | Guerin | !tell Error_X about nvidia one liner |
| 02:24.25 | dbeal | nelson, strace has to be instructed as to which fork to follow. |
| 02:24.31 | stranger | Guerin, yes...if you seek the truth. |
| 02:24.49 | abrotman | !yinzersmite Guerin 1 |
| 02:24.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:25.10 | Guerin | whee, fire alarm |
| 02:25.18 | nelson | dbeal: I'm stracing ftpd after I've logged in; at which point it forks /bin/ls and even though it opens /lib/librt.so.1, it complains that it cannot open /lib/librt.so.1 |
| 02:25.22 | wolaopa | stranger, where or how to get free hardware? |
| 02:25.28 | Guerin | nobody else seems bothered by it, though, so maybe I'll just sit here |
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| 02:25.31 | crashbg | ugh, where to put the script, before : exit 0 or after |
| 02:25.37 | Guerin | stranger: let me know when you have a chip fab |
| 02:25.40 | nelson | that's the crazy thing about it.... it opens the file and then complains that it can't open it. |
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| 02:25.59 | Guerin | crashbg: if you put it after the exit, it won't be run. |
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| 02:26.05 | dbeal | nelson, sorry if I'm not understanding your problem...I'm really just conversating, not trying to solve your problem. |
| 02:26.06 | crashbg | ok |
| 02:26.07 | nelson | dbeal: I'm about at the point of "apt-get source ftpd" and then RTFSing. |
| 02:26.16 | GmLB | What is the default debootstrap password? |
| 02:26.27 | yoshio_ | nelson: don't you have to copy any shared libs to your chroot, or compile statically? |
| 02:26.32 | stranger | Guerin, well listen to this...i heard China is opening about 20 new fabs and India is also opening a few...but i am not sure what kind of code they have available today to get things started. |
| 02:26.32 | dbeal | nelson, might I suggest wu-ftpd? |
| 02:26.46 | nelson | dbeal: not a problem. I'm just hoping that somebody will look at it and say "OH, yeah!" |
| 02:26.48 | chalenged | dbeal: ducks with you 8) |
| 02:26.51 | nelson | yoshio_: I've done that. |
| 02:27.08 | stranger | Guerin, i also heard somehow....voices or whatever....that even nvidia was secretly using a Chinese fab |
| 02:27.09 | nelson | dbeal: thanks, I already have enough security holes. |
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| 02:27.22 | Guerin | stranger: riiight. |
| 02:27.28 | stranger | Guerin, can't be to sure about that...but might be worthy of investigation |
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| 02:27.42 | dbeal | ahh! security holes? where..hmm..let me see your IP..ahh..I can fit my finger in that one. |
| 02:28.13 | dbeal | security holes are like holes in your underwear (in that they are both holes). |
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| 02:28.32 | dbeal | ahh the wisdom of confucius.. |
| 02:28.32 | Guerin | nelson: vsftpd isn't too insecure. |
| 02:28.33 | chalenged | stranger: sounds unrealistic....nvidia can't just fab anywhere....id say that some of their components may tho...the GPUs i doubt hto.. |
| 02:28.50 | wolaopa | stranger, anything wrong in using Chinese fab? We are already using a lot of Chinese products; the shirt you are wearing, for example. |
| 02:29.03 | crashbg | it hangs :( at Bluetooth |
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| 02:29.49 | stranger | wolaopa, well you don't get it....we don't want corporations ....we want students with gnowledge to share to create the openvidia boards...get it |
| 02:30.23 | stranger | i think there was an effort called Raptor but i haven't heard too much on this |
| 02:30.25 | redcliffe | hi - anyone know of a program i can use to fix naming convention on a bunch of html files? it's a CD containing a large number of html files, but it seems to have been written on windows where case-specificness doesn't matter |
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| 02:30.35 | Epod69 | sorry to repeat, but can i use mkinitrd to make a initrd file without having to use make-kpkg ? |
| 02:30.58 | wolaopa | stranger, students know nuts, just concentrate on your studies, get it? |
| 02:31.35 | supaman | I have a found a package that has two bugs that deal with the same issue bugs #307833 and #311329, how does one go about suggesting they should be merged or one of them closed? |
| 02:31.40 | angelFaria | cd player stops paying music cd after 1 sec |
| 02:31.42 | stranger | it is the same crap as the good student on slashdot who built a $30AC and then everyone said he was an idiot and could have bought a megacorp product that would be more efficient for not much more money |
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| 02:31.52 | bucky | Epod69, sure mkinitrd -o <filename.img> <2.6.x-version> |
| 02:32.04 | stranger | but these are crap arguments and miss the point of the student learning to free himself from the megacorporations |
| 02:32.04 | bucky | then copy it to /boot |
| 02:32.14 | Guerin | stranger: this is not the channel. |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | Guerin: where do you find these people ? |
| 02:32.33 | wolaopa | stranger, what is this $30AC? |
| 02:32.34 | dbeal | wu-ftpd is rather venerable, and its security depends on its configuration, just like any system. there aren't any special "security holes" in wu-ftpd such as those caused by buffer overflows, etc. it's well-tested and quite stable. it does give you the chance to SYITF though. |
| 02:32.40 | Guerin | abrotman: in #debian, typically. |
| 02:32.50 | abrotman | did he really fucking type gnowledge? |
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| 02:33.09 | Guerin | abrotman: and he means it, too. |
| 02:33.10 | wolaopa | abrotman, yeh. |
| 02:33.11 | Error_X | \q |
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| 02:33.26 | abrotman | arguing is pointless .. stupid people remain stupid |
| 02:33.28 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:33.45 | Epod69 | is vmlinux-2.6.8 the image file needed ? |
| 02:33.46 | jotham | that's why no one will refute you abrotman |
| 02:33.51 | supaman | at least this is not the place to try to teach people ... |
| 02:33.52 | jotham | :o |
| 02:33.59 | Guerin | dbeal: the main thing is that wu-ftpd has a history of insecurity, which throws a shadow over the rest of the codebase. Like sendmail. |
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| 02:34.02 | stranger | wolaopa, it is over on slashdot...or you can see it at |
| 02:34.03 | Epod69 | bucky, why do i have to enter the version name afterwords ? |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | jotham: because i'm always right ? |
| 02:34.07 | stranger | http://mirrordot.org/stories/5cb66a4a72a5269bc29e9dd8f982b3da/index.html |
| 02:34.11 | jotham | abrotman: because you will always remain stupid |
| 02:34.23 | jotham | abrotman: i thought that was self-explanitory |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | jotham: you have no fucking clue who i am .. fucking moron |
| 02:34.27 | stranger | see what good minds can do when not polluted by the megacorp stuff at WalMart |
| 02:34.32 | jotham | that's right IRC boy, rage at me |
| 02:34.44 | bucky | Epod69, to know where to find the modules to put in the initrd.. look in /lib/modules to find it |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | jotham: you really are stupid aren't you ? |
| 02:34.46 | AllKind | I'll try pure-ftpd first time now, anyone here experienced with it? |
| 02:34.54 | jotham | you strike me as an angry young man |
| 02:35.03 | supaman | abrotman, jotham ... take it outside |
| 02:35.16 | abrotman | jotham: you just strike me as a flat out idiot .. but i suppose once you finish kindergarten .. you'll be fine :) |
| 02:35.59 | dbeal | guerin, having a history of insecurity just means that they were around before the GIES (Great Internet Exploit Search). |
| 02:35.59 | Guerin | abrotman: YHBT |
| 02:36.00 | dae | I have a number of bugs (like 8) that I've reported into debian BTS with a submitted address that will soon become unavailable. Should I change the submitter address of this bugs using one mail for each bug to control@ using the submitter keyword ? Or is there a better way ? |
| 02:36.09 | abrotman | Guerin: don't care .. been ignored :) |
| 02:36.11 | Guerin | dbeal: heh |
| 02:36.23 | Epod69 | bucky, and is vmlinuz the image file ? |
| 02:36.50 | Guerin | dae: how do you just lose an email address? |
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| 02:37.16 | Guerin | dae: I'd figure that's the plan, though. |
| 02:37.22 | abrotman | Guerin: .edu account |
| 02:37.26 | dae | Guerin, It's on a server that will be brought down and shipped across the atlantic (my machine). |
| 02:37.30 | jotham | Guerin: what is YHBT? |
| 02:37.33 | wolaopa | i can't click on a weblink given here and go to the site? |
| 02:37.40 | jotham | apt: YHBT? |
| 02:37.42 | apt | rumour has it, yhbt is You Have Been Trolled |
| 02:37.42 | peterS | jotham: you have been trolled |
| 02:37.43 | jotham | ahh |
| 02:37.45 | Guerin | jotham: you have been trolled |
| 02:37.48 | bucky | Epod69, /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-k7 is an image file.. -o names it with whatever you want to call it.. but i like calling it something descriptive |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | wolaopa: irc client ? |
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| 02:38.03 | jotham | i wasn't trolling him, he just made a very concieted remark and then had a wee tanti when called up on it |
| 02:38.06 | jotham | oh well |
| 02:38.07 | wolaopa | abrotman, x-chat. |
| 02:38.09 | abrotman | Guerin: please don't educate the trolls :) |
| 02:38.15 | jotham | i'm foreign, what do i know |
| 02:38.23 | Guerin | dae: hehe. Change the MX record? |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | wolaopa: you can't right click and say .. open in <blah>? |
| 02:38.31 | aero | !sound |
| 02:38.31 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 02:38.42 | Guerin | dae: anyway, yeah, I think ccing control@ should do the trick |
| 02:38.53 | wolaopa | abrotman, trying. |
| 02:39.04 | Epod69 | bucky, i am wanting to make the initrd.img file... |
| 02:39.13 | AllKind | OK, looks good RAID1 bootable with grub... :) |
| 02:39.13 | dae | Guerin, Yeah I did, I got the free stuff at gawab setup so that it doesn't bounce but it's a pain with no pop access... |
| 02:39.15 | bucky | Epod69, man mkinitrd |
| 02:39.23 | raf256 | j #pgp |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | wolaopa: you tried all the options ? |
| 02:39.40 | bucky | Epod69, vmlinuz is a kernel |
| 02:39.50 | wolaopa | abrotman, got it, thks. |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | wolaopa: sure ? |
| 02:40.04 | wolaopa | yeh |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 02:40.10 | dae | Guerin, Unless you know someone that would offer me a free mail server access that would accept mail to "my" domain where I can pop my messages from ? |
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| 02:40.26 | Guerin | dae: can't forward to a gmail account? |
| 02:40.32 | Guerin | oh |
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| 02:40.43 | Guerin | right, you'd have to tell it to accept mail to YOUR domain |
| 02:40.44 | wolaopa | yeh, i click on the link given by stranger and got the page on "Homebrew AC'. |
| 02:41.06 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
| 02:41.31 | dae | Guerin, The only free mailserver stuff I've seen will only allow webmail access. No pop or forward allowed... Unless I've missed something. |
| 02:41.34 | Guerin | that homebrew AC would waste MASSIVE amounts of water |
| 02:41.46 | Guerin | dae: probably not wrong. |
| 02:41.48 | abrotman | anonymous coward ? |
| 02:41.54 | Guerin | abrotman: aircon |
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| 02:42.03 | abrotman | joke .. come on .. damn joke ... |
| 02:42.13 | binaryc | putting the ice in front of the fan would do just as good |
| 02:42.14 | Guerin | abrotman: you're the joke. |
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| 02:42.29 | Guerin | binaryc: yeah. |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | Guerin: are you surprised .. haven't we covered previously my sense of humor sucks ? |
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| 02:42.54 | Guerin | abrotman: nothing about you surprises me anymore. Except that you haven't been fired yet :) |
| 02:43.01 | binaryc | he isn't geting free lunch, laws of thermodinamics will always screw you over : ) |
| 02:43.06 | abrotman | Guerin: not this week yet! |
| 02:43.14 | Guerin | !prize abrotman |
| 02:43.16 | wolaopa | the homebrew AC may not be better, but i support the spirit to do things better i.e. more economical. |
| 02:43.20 | Guerin | abrotman: better luck next week :) |
| 02:43.25 | dae | Guerin, Thanks anyway, I'll make sure that those bugs will somehow not end up with a submitter who's mail will bounce. |
| 02:43.30 | chealer | let's fire abrotman at etch's release |
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| 02:43.42 | abrotman | but i get wisconsin cheese! |
| 02:44.31 | Guerin | wolaopa: is it better to buy from a big megacorp or to waster hundreds of litres of potable water every day on a horribly inefficient aircon unit? Not to mention the cost of freezing the water itfp... |
| 02:45.07 | stranger | wolaopa, it is not even doing them necessarily better....it is simply doing them as best you can without being some megacorporation victim to be robbed of all your finances and end up having to eat shit |
| 02:45.17 | binaryc | and the heat developed by the freezer to make ice, well i suppose that isn't his problem he is only concerned with the temperature of his room, |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | why are you still discussing this ? |
| 02:45.33 | stranger | binaryc, well that is an economic sunk cost anyway |
| 02:45.36 | dbeal | guerin, 6 million efficient ac's waste more water than 1 horribly inefficient one. |
| 02:45.38 | abrotman | isn't there a #ibuildstuffforfun ? |
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| 02:45.57 | spuer | hi |
| 02:46.02 | spuer | I'm having a problem with sound. |
| 02:46.05 | Guerin | dbeal: but the presence of this inefficient one will not reduce the need for the other 6 million efficient ones. |
| 02:46.11 | abrotman | no more AC!! |
| 02:46.13 | wolaopa | Guerin, i am thinking about the spirit to innovate, better than a student who spent a lot of money on expensive hardware just to play computer games. |
| 02:46.22 | binaryc | abrotman, well now there is : ) join me ! |
| 02:46.27 | Guerin | wolaopa: true. |
| 02:46.28 | abrotman | uhm .. no ? |
| 02:46.28 | spuer | i got the system installed, but there is no sound. |
| 02:46.39 | dbeal | i just turned off my a/c. i think they are all wasteful. |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | !tell spuer about audio |
| 02:46.46 | abrotman | !tell spuer about sound |
| 02:46.51 | Guerin | i don't even own an ac |
| 02:46.58 | Guerin | and I live in a hot place, too |
| 02:46.59 | stranger | Guerin, maybe not....but when one person learns to free themselves and joins GNU and shares the gnowledge...then a few others might become interested and even offer improvements and modifications to the community |
| 02:47.00 | spuer | okay, I'm using Sarge |
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| 02:47.12 | spuer | it works fine, but no sound. |
| 02:47.16 | Guerin | stranger: right. |
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| 02:47.22 | dbeal | haha..gnowledge..gnice one |
| 02:47.25 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 02:47.28 | abrotman | he did it again ? |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | wtf ? |
| 02:47.32 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
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| 02:47.39 | Guerin | abrotman: he does it on purpose. |
| 02:47.46 | dbeal | he is a gnincompoop |
| 02:47.47 | abrotman | he's apparently a freaking moron |
| 02:47.48 | glick | excuse me what else do i need to install to get the python qt odule |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | glick: apt-cache search qt python |
| 02:48.10 | dbeal | stranger, (no offense, i couldn't resist) |
| 02:48.10 | lilliput | hello .. |
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| 02:48.18 | wolaopa | ok, i think we have gone off-topics enough, with this AC. i am signing off. |
| 02:48.38 | dbeal | let's replace all the words that start with n with gn, to show our support for free software. |
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| 02:48.48 | glick | abrotman, is there any way i can install all the ones that showup |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | dbeal: you mean .. start with kn ? |
| 02:48.55 | lilliput | do someone know why I get this error ? :: (apt-get install ) Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 83, <GEN1> line 3. .... |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | glick: uhm .. |
| 02:49.11 | angelFaria | !soundcheck |
| 02:49.11 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 02:49.19 | dbeal | $_ =~ /\bn(.+)\b/gn$1/ |
| 02:49.19 | abrotman | glick: you really want all of them ? |
| 02:49.22 | glick | yeah |
| 02:49.30 | spuer | I'm using debian 3.1 |
| 02:49.34 | abrotman | including lg-issue19 ? |
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| 02:49.49 | dbeal | abrotman, oh, right, the g prefix is already taken by the gnome project! |
| 02:49.57 | Guerin | spuer: run that soundcheck. tell me what happens, or doesn't. |
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| 02:50.21 | dbeal | hmm..k is reserved already of course... |
| 02:50.27 | Guerin | dbeal: gno is isn't! they dogn't have a gmonopoly on it! |
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| 02:50.31 | abrotman | apt-cache search qt python | grep ^python | xargs apt-get -y install |
| 02:50.34 | abrotman | glick: |
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| 02:50.42 | abrotman | err |
| 02:50.44 | abrotman | glick: wait .. no |
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| 02:50.53 | Guerin | abrotman: you need to awk out $1 |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | apt-cache search qt python | grep ^python | awk '{print $1}' | xargs apt-get -y install |
| 02:51.01 | Rucas | can anyone tell me a simple way to encode an xvid in mpeg2 without the audio/video getting all out of sync? |
| 02:51.02 | abrotman | Guerin: i realize that :) |
| 02:51.03 | nunez | is it possible to send syslogd logs to remotely log on a openbsd box? |
| 02:51.11 | abrotman | glick: that's correct |
| 02:51.22 | Guerin | abrotman: awk '/python/ {print $1}' |
| 02:51.28 | spuer | hm..do we have a soundcheck command? |
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| 02:51.30 | abrotman | Guerin: ok |
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| 02:51.36 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 02:51.36 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 02:51.41 | Guerin | spuer: ^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:51.52 | abrotman | spuer: what kind of sound card? .. and which sound drivers? |
| 02:52.17 | aero | I am getting a not a valid block device error when trying to mount my dvdrom |
| 02:52.22 | chalenged | Rucas: huh mpeg2 and divx are 2 differents....if you want to take xvid to mpeg2...or vise versa...mencoder/transcode....kmenc15 is a gui for mencoder |
| 02:52.22 | lilliput | did I miss something ? |
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| 02:52.29 | lilliput | Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 83, <GEN1> line 6. |
| 02:52.29 | lilliput | Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 72, <GEN6> line 1. |
| 02:52.29 | lilliput | Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 73, <GEN6> line 1. |
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| 02:52.36 | glick | could anything be easier then designing qt guis in python |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | glick: yes |
| 02:52.42 | glick | i love python |
| 02:52.49 | spuer | VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio |
| 02:52.49 | glick | its such a fantastic language |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | GTK in python |
| 02:52.53 | glick | i cant stop raving about it |
| 02:53.01 | Guerin | lilliput: you missed to opportunity to TRAD THE DAMN TOPIC |
| 02:53.06 | Guerin | and READ it too |
| 02:53.33 | Guerin | spuer: WHAT DOES cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; DO? |
| 02:53.35 | abrotman | glick: work for you ? |
| 02:53.43 | chalenged | lilliput search in apt-cache for the files....stack .pm and 822.pm...they will be in a related module.. |
| 02:53.54 | lilliput | Guerin, you mean flood ? |
| 02:54.00 | glick | abrotman, yes thanks |
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| 02:54.09 | lilliput | chalenged, thanks |
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| 02:54.59 | spuer | i'm install alsa |
| 02:55.02 | dae | How can I customize the locale setting so that I keep the language in english but get swedish time and numerics for example ? |
| 02:55.03 | spuer | installing |
| 02:55.22 | aero | Guerin, no such device, what can I do? |
| 02:55.38 | chalenged | lilliput: np scripts inside a pakage may or may not be referenced as dependant....only happens with python & perls stuff from what ive seen...i had similar issues with tvxml.. |
| 02:55.38 | abrotman | the time is easy .. dunno about the numbers |
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| 02:56.53 | dae | abrotman, I can set the LC_* env. variables in my shell and that works for applications launches from the prompt. But it doesn't seem to have any effects when I launch for example TB from the gnome menu. Even though I set them in /etc/profile |
| 02:57.31 | Guerin | aero: huh? |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | dae: i honestly don't know with the numbers .. you can change your system time seettings with tzconfig |
| 02:57.55 | dae | Can I manually edit /etc/environment ? |
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| 02:58.31 | stranger | now one of you asked the question...why didn't he just put the icewater in front of the fan |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | stop with the god damn AC |
| 02:58.49 | abrotman | holy shit .. fucking drop it |
| 02:58.58 | stranger | well...for one thing that would lead to huge amounts of humidity and that was not his goal to build a swamp device |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | stranger: STOP |
| 02:59.05 | aero | Guerin, I am tyring to configure sound, didn't mean to bother you but you mentioned cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
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| 02:59.18 | dae | abrotman, I'm talking about the way numbers and dates are printed, like 6/13/05 versus 2005-06-13 |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | dae: no idea bout that .. sorry |
| 02:59.48 | stranger | abrotman, ok...but freedom is inherently desirable and as you can see many people seek it |
| 02:59.55 | aero | I don't have the lspci command available |
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| 03:00.05 | abrotman | stranger: i dont' give a shit .. it's offtopic in #debian .. please stop |
| 03:00.10 | magyar | Daniel Robbins, joined the "dark side" :( |
| 03:00.19 | abrotman | magyar: wrong channe; |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | channel even |
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| 03:00.43 | dae | abrotman, Well it's determined by the locale anyway... |
| 03:01.00 | abrotman | dae: i know that .. but not how to change it for things launched form the menu .. |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | dae: might have more luck asking on irc.gnome.org |
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| 03:01.53 | dae | abrotman, Oh ok, thanks ! |
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| 03:01.56 | magyar | dae: right click on the clock and select properties |
| 03:02.06 | blabbo | I think this is a locale question too...I used to type <alt a> and get the last part of a command (in bash), and now I just get a funny sign. Is something wrong with my terminal type? |
| 03:03.00 | Epod69 | just to make sure, is this how i should run mkinitrd? : mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8 2.6.8 |
| 03:03.08 | dae | magyar, Yeah the clock is OK. I'm talking about the date column in thunderbird for example. |
| 03:03.39 | AllKind | okidoki, as now i have a solution i can live with. booting from a non lvm raid... as i'm new to software raid on linux and also new to lvm, what are the tools to manage raid, lvm, partitioning on linux? mdadm, lvm, fdisk...? any ncurses based tools available like used in debian-installer? I know the lvm and raid HOWTO pages on ldpr, any other suggestions what is a must / recommended read? |
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| 03:04.33 | dae | blabbo, Umm, I don't think that is related to the locale. Alt-a might be chewed up by the terminal emulator or the window manager |
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| 03:05.28 | magyar | dae:no clue, i use kmail and it has a custom date setting |
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| 03:06.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: |
| 03:06.11 | TwistedEmotions | u there? |
| 03:06.15 | TwistedEmotions | You there |
| 03:06.19 | TwistedEmotions | jesus.. |
| 03:06.20 | blabbo | dae, so how do I find out about setting those? something in /etc I guess... |
| 03:06.24 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you there? |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:06.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:06.34 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: you should know better :) |
| 03:06.36 | broedje | what is the leanest distro with apt-get? link? |
| 03:06.41 | magyar | in my opinion thunderbird is more of a MS client software |
| 03:06.41 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: ;P thats why I changed it ;) |
| 03:06.53 | abrotman | broedje: debian .. maybe DSL is apt based |
| 03:06.58 | abrotman | or do LSF |
| 03:07.01 | chalenged | !seen deadcat |
| 03:07.01 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 19298 messages. Is idling for 1d 4h 5m 21s |
| 03:07.08 | broedje | hm dsl sounds good |
| 03:07.12 | broedje | hard alot |
| 03:07.15 | broedje | heard |
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| 03:07.27 | broedje | is damn small apt get? |
| 03:07.31 | TwistedEmotions | basterd |
| 03:07.34 | abrotman | dunno .. read the site |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | !dsl |
| 03:07.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 03:07.40 | dae | blabbo, Which terminal emulator are you using now (xterm ? uxterm ? etc) Have you switched from the time it worked until now ? |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | broedje: otherwise .. there's a whole list at debian.org |
| 03:08.04 | broedje | thnx n8 |
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| 03:08.44 | broedje | hm but i want hdinstall |
| 03:08.49 | blabbo | dae, naw, still using xterm. It seems to have changed on an update somewhere |
| 03:09.16 | dae | blabbo, Sorry then I don't know... |
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| 03:09.50 | blabbo | I did an apt-get upgrade and must have hit yes without thinking somewhere. |
| 03:09.59 | blabbo | not the first time either... |
| 03:10.03 | dae | magyar, The issue was how to setup the locale for applications, I wasn't asking about which mail client to use... |
| 03:10.22 | dae | blabbo, Hate when that happens :-) |
| 03:10.41 | abrotman | broedje: http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 03:11.13 | blabbo | dae, you might be right. I just switched to the alt-F1 terminal and it doesn't do it, so it must be some xterm or X thing |
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| 03:11.22 | bucky | broedje, dam small has a hd install |
| 03:11.24 | broedje | thnx |
| 03:11.38 | broedje | strange it wont download |
| 03:11.49 | broedje | arrrg i gotta SLepEEPE! |
| 03:12.01 | RogueDopple | nooo |
| 03:12.04 | dae | blabbo, It could be your window manager that now has some shortcut using alt-a. Which one are you using ? |
| 03:12.05 | RogueDopple | don't quit on me now |
| 03:12.09 | RogueDopple | sleep is for the weak |
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| 03:12.25 | blabbo | dae, wmaker (on x86) |
| 03:12.41 | chalenged | pirate : ahoy there matey, |
| 03:12.45 | chalenged | 8) |
| 03:12.52 | pirate | yarr ^_^ |
| 03:12.57 | magyar | dae: you mean adding a locale to X? |
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| 03:13.38 | broedje | arrg i want an iso, fast, im too weak to do other things |
| 03:13.53 | broedje | there just apps and wm and strange things |
| 03:13.57 | dae | blabbo, Sorry, I don't know about wmaker. You could try xev and see if a window "sees" Alt-A . |
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| 03:14.04 | blabbo | dae, I think there are some other funny chars going around too though. I think it's a wrong term type or locale issue. |
| 03:14.18 | sparr | how can I make cp -R recurse into hidden (.*) subdirs? |
| 03:14.34 | magyar | dae: /kdm/gdm? |
| 03:14.47 | dae | magyar, Yeah sort of, setting up the LC_ env variables in my .login doesn't seem to impact applications launched from gnome menu items. |
| 03:15.12 | broedje | aaah there it is |
| 03:15.17 | broedje | dsl 1.2 iso |
| 03:15.27 | broedje | sounds VERY good |
| 03:15.29 | Guerin | http://pixyland.org/peterpan/ |
| 03:15.35 | broedje | hopefully with apt get |
| 03:15.42 | broedje | mhaha |
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| 03:15.53 | broedje | soon ill own it |
| 03:15.53 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:15.55 | blabbo | is there a Debian way to set locales |
| 03:15.59 | Guerin | stupid putty |
| 03:16.06 | initech | sparr: use tar, or afio, or do cp -R .[a-z]* ... |
| 03:16.18 | dae | blabbo, typing locale will show you your current locale settings. export TERM=xterm should bring your term setting back to normal |
| 03:16.20 | AllKind | blabbo localeconfig |
| 03:16.24 | AllKind | i think |
| 03:16.24 | magyar | dae: don't know for gnome, but am sure it's the same, you would use the locale settings to add different country settings. My best guess. |
| 03:16.32 | broedje | thnks n8 |
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| 03:16.43 | sparr | using the regex will only recurse one directory, and tar will take too damn long |
| 03:17.00 | dae | blabbo, or dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:17.23 | abrotman | let's get fired! |
| 03:17.36 | makaveli | i need some help i just installed ubuntu and every time i go to synaptics i type in my password and i get this message "failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic: child terminated with 1 status" can someone please help me? |
| 03:17.43 | abrotman | makaveli: wrong channel |
| 03:17.45 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 03:17.45 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
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| 03:18.39 | AllKind | how do i make the standard linux console use a higher resolution? |
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| 03:18.45 | dae | magyar, I can change the system default locales to be all swedish. But that gives me a system with swedish menus where half is translated and the rest kept in english... So I'd like to "finetune" the individual LC_TIME, LC_NUMERIC etc to be in swedish locale while keeping LANG in english |
| 03:18.55 | dbeal | !svgatextmode |
| 03:18.55 | dpkg | i heard svgatextmode is a cool util to set your console res / fonts |
| 03:19.14 | abrotman | !framebuffer |
| 03:19.15 | dpkg | framebuffer is, like, a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. |
| 03:19.15 | fwiw390 | question - how do i modify /etc/network/interfaces to install my eth0 and eth1? debian 3.1 r0a did NOT autoinstall my NICs!!! |
| 03:19.32 | abrotman | !tell fwiw390 about interfaces |
| 03:19.39 | fwiw390 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.47 | abrotman | i already did |
| 03:19.50 | abrotman | dpkjg should tell you |
| 03:19.51 | abrotman | dpkg even |
| 03:19.52 | dpkg | odd |
| 03:19.56 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 03:19.57 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 03:20.13 | dae | AllKind, do you actually have a localeconfig command ? |
| 03:20.21 | fwiw390 | abrotman - can you send me yours /etc/network/interfaceS? |
| 03:20.25 | simonrvn | abrotman: shuddup |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | fwiw390: it won't do you any good |
| 03:20.31 | fwiw390 | i'm sure i'm just missing a line |
| 03:20.34 | fwiw390 | abrot - why not? |
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| 03:20.36 | blabbo | dae, wow that did it. how simple. it was set to en_US.ISO-8859-1, but setting it to en_US.ISO-8859-15 seems to have fixed it. |
| 03:20.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: fine. i'll be quiet |
| 03:20.43 | fwiw390 | i'm using DHCP in my router |
| 03:20.45 | abrotman | fwiw390: beccause it works for my machine .. not yours |
| 03:20.45 | chealer | dpkg: security bugs is at http://qa.debian.org/bts-security.html |
| 03:20.45 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 03:20.46 | blabbo | three cheers for dae!!! |
| 03:20.55 | fwiw390 | it's just a generic NIC plugged into a generic router |
| 03:21.04 | fwiw390 | i'm in windows xp right now, just it works ...but debian doesn't |
| 03:21.05 | fwiw390 | sigh |
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| 03:21.19 | abrotman | fwiw390: if you read man interfaces in linux .. should become obvious |
| 03:21.20 | abrotman | !faq |
| 03:21.21 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 03:21.23 | dae | blabbo, I'll go grab a beer in the fridge then I guess ;-) |
| 03:21.38 | WiFiTux | heh, I can't find anything with svgatextmode now :| |
| 03:21.50 | blabbo | yes, well deserved. I guess I have to read up somemore on locales. |
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| 03:22.17 | bob2 | abrotman: it's not *that* obvious |
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| 03:22.30 | abrotman | bob2: it's not that hard either :) |
| 03:22.38 | exobyte | I'm forwarding a port with ipchains. I need it to be "IP protocol 47". How do I do this? Is it a -p option? |
| 03:22.44 | bob2 | it is if you've come right from windows an ddon't know what a config file is |
| 03:22.47 | partially | if i need to compile more alsa cards, how can i do this using debian packages/source (and not source from the alsa site) |
| 03:22.52 | abrotman | can you still use ipchains ? |
| 03:22.53 | fwiw390 | abrot, bob2 - is there a command to have debian autoconfigure my NICs? |
| 03:23.00 | abrotman | etherconf ... |
| 03:23.02 | fwiw390 | ah |
| 03:23.04 | fwiw390 | thanks! |
| 03:23.10 | abrotman | not automagic .. but should be a crappy ncurses gui thingie |
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| 03:23.18 | exobyte | abrotman: not again.. I meant tables |
| 03:23.20 | angelFaria | need help with freezing printing manager footmatic |
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| 03:23.21 | fwiw390 | automagically is OK with me for now... |
| 03:23.26 | exobyte | I'm forwarding a port with ipTABLES. I need it to be "IP protocol 47". How do I do this? Is it a -p option? |
| 03:23.33 | abrotman | i said .. not automagic ? |
| 03:23.42 | bob2 | exobyte: non-tcp and non-udp protocols don\'t neccessarily have ports, btw |
| 03:24.10 | abrotman | exobyte: did you ask #iptables ? |
| 03:24.11 | fwiw390 | '# etherconf' ..."bash: etherconf: command not found" |
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| 03:24.16 | Guerin | !installit |
| 03:24.17 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 03:24.31 | exobyte | bob2: I'm forwarding pptp. It has an explicit port (but I didn't say that) |
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| 03:24.39 | exobyte | abrotman: nope. They're slow over there |
| 03:24.40 | fwiw390 | lol apt-get install etherconf |
| 03:24.43 | bob2 | hrm |
| 03:24.53 | magyar | dae: in kde i can set locale to sweedish and than change the time display to what ever i wnt it to be |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | exobyte: you should still ask them .. they're much better at iptables .. we're all debian users! |
| 03:25.42 | exobyte | abrotman: yeah.. |
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| 03:27.21 | fwiw390 | bob2 - what other *nixes have you used and what do you think of them? |
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| 03:27.47 | dae | magyar, Hmm, I don't use KDE :-( |
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| 03:28.02 | partially | anyone have any luck getting an Echo Audio soundcard to work under Debian? |
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| 03:28.20 | fwiw390 | question - so say i have a fresh installation of sarge stable, and i want to get the latest security updates. is this automatic, or if not, how would i apt-get it? |
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| 03:28.23 | dbeal | I just figured out how to open a new chat window in bitchx. I know I'm special (where's my medal, brownie button, cookie?). This means I can ask a question in #apache and wait the 2 hours it takes for a response, without the answer scrolling off the screen. Nice, eh? |
| 03:28.28 | Guerin | the main problem with other *nixen is that they're not debian :) |
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| 03:28.32 | abrotman | !sarge security |
| 03:28.38 | abrotman | oh .. like .. duh |
| 03:28.40 | magyar | dae: i use to use gnome, but find kde to be a bit more configurable |
| 03:28.44 | bob2 | fwiw390: it's obviously not automatic, that would be silly |
| 03:28.49 | simonrvn | Fix metric assload of typos (closes: #312772, #312769, #312768, #312775, #312773, #312774 ,#312782, #312780) # hehehe, and 2 more lines like that (xscreensaver) |
| 03:28.55 | Guerin | fwiw390: do you have a security.debian.org line mentioning "stable" or "sarge" in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 03:29.01 | seeeS | dammit, i know my usbkeys used to mount, no they dont. any ideas what are going wrong? |
| 03:29.09 | bob2 | fwiw390: /etc/apt/sources.list will point at the security update server, and whe nyou run apt-get upgrade, it will upgrade from there |
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| 03:29.18 | abrotman | assuming the line is there |
| 03:29.32 | bob2 | fwiw390: solaris is painful as a user, freebsd is less so, debian and ubuntu are a joy to use |
| 03:29.35 | AllKind | dae: localeconf - yes |
| 03:29.39 | abrotman | mm .. bed |
| 03:29.43 | abrotman | maybe .. if i'm lucky |
| 03:30.03 | fwiw390 | bob2 - i use solaris at work. it's hilarious |
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| 03:30.16 | fwiw390 | never touched bsd...too arcane for a non-computer guy like me |
| 03:30.18 | johnp | !exim |
| 03:30.19 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 03:31.04 | simonrvn | !factinfo exim |
| 03:31.04 | dpkg | exim -- last modified at Mon Dec 20 03:48:17 2004 by GomoX!~gomo@OL176-215.fibertel.com.ar; it has been requested 57 times, last by johnp, 45s ago. |
| 03:31.15 | dae | AllKind, Interesting, apt-file doesn't know about such a command. There is a localeconf package but that doesn't have any executables... |
| 03:31.44 | stranger | i was really surprised about the Brazilian who responded to Eblen's article...shocking |
| 03:31.55 | AllKind | dae: i run aptitude localeconf 0.9.4.1 |
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| 03:32.23 | stranger | he said Brazil was a 3rd world country and had no chance in hell of ever understanding the 1st tier technology of the industrial nations |
| 03:32.28 | stranger | that is shocking |
| 03:32.54 | fwiw390 | stranger - brazil is a land of the haves and have-nots |
| 03:33.04 | Guerin | wtf is Eblen? |
| 03:33.06 | fwiw390 | it's the afro-brazilians vs. the euro-brazilians |
| 03:33.15 | stranger | i think he underestimates their potential to acquire and improve gnowledge |
| 03:33.30 | fwiw390 | the divide in brazil is way deeper than america's |
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| 03:33.32 | Fedora2 | Is anyone familiar with this simple task? I am attempting to display text BEFORE the user login prompt. On other NIX systems this is done using the /etc/issue file. In Fedora this does not appear to be the case. |
| 03:34.00 | chalenged | stranger: wouldnt be the first to say they cant learn while using a medium which allows them to learn |
| 03:34.02 | Guerin | Fedora2: something in pam.d |
| 03:34.06 | simonrvn | don't forget aboriginal peoples... |
| 03:34.13 | stranger | i mean anyone can understand how signals are used for example in interprocess communication of the kernel |
| 03:34.19 | Guerin | Fedora2: in debian, at least. No idea about fedora coredump. |
| 03:34.24 | AllKind | hm, fbcon. frame buffer support is in kernel, no debian package named fbcon. so i guess if it's not natively starting in svga mode with a 2.6 kernel, i need svgatextmode? |
| 03:34.25 | dae | AllKind, Wow this localeconf package seems to be what I'm looking for Thanks ! |
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| 03:34.39 | johnp | !factinfo exim |
| 03:34.39 | dpkg | exim -- last modified at Mon Dec 20 03:48:17 2004 by GomoX!~gomo@OL176-215.fibertel.com.ar; it has been requested 57 times, last by johnp, 4m 21s ago. |
| 03:34.41 | Guerin | simonrvn: which are the 'have-even-less-than-the-have-nots' in brazil |
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| 03:35.07 | simonrvn | yup. same as anywhere. here the rezzes are "3rd world" conditions |
| 03:36.49 | narg | So, in the source tarballs, etc, there is always files like debianrules, etc. Are those for building .debs, or what? |
| 03:36.58 | Guerin | narg: yes. |
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| 03:37.06 | fwiw390 | question - anybody use bastille here? is there another package i need to install for the GUI (tcl/tk?) |
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| 03:37.44 | AllKind | tcl/tk maybe? |
| 03:38.27 | simonrvn | probably tcl8.x and tk8.x |
| 03:38.39 | AllKind | yea |
| 03:39.01 | fwiw390 | jeah |
| 03:39.19 | simonrvn | iah |
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| 03:40.01 | fwiw390 | questoin - when installing packages...what is the difference between "suggested" and "recommended" packages? |
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| 03:40.09 | dbeal | gnome apps sometimes cause my desktop root to be taken over by some windows-like thing (I think it's nautilus). |
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| 03:40.32 | dbeal | then I can't get rid of it unless I restart the x session. |
| 03:40.40 | MyOwnLittlWorld | the big kernel question: what options SHOULDN'T I set as loadable kernel modules (I'm trying to set everything else as a module) |
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| 03:40.50 | Ludwic | How can I know what distro have I (woody, sarge), and which version? |
| 03:40.52 | barok | hello. Is there a linux distro that can emulate a math coprocessor? |
| 03:40.54 | rixth | Can anyone recomend a good source of information about distributed compilng? |
| 03:41.20 | barok | also, what distros would actually run on a 486? lol. |
| 03:41.28 | Guerin | barok: debian does. |
| 03:41.34 | MyOwnLittlWorld | wow. |
| 03:41.40 | barok | debian emulates math coprocessing? |
| 03:42.04 | stranger | barok, there is emulator code somewhere...i have not seen it in a while but it did exist |
| 03:42.05 | Guerin | MyOwnLittlWorld: just use a debian kernel. |
| 03:42.12 | Guerin | barok: the blinux kernel can. |
| 03:42.21 | barok | alright. |
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| 03:42.38 | KunFU | hello, guys . How to install Debian-3.1r0a from my harddisk . |
| 03:42.42 | MyOwnLittlWorld | barok: compile it yourself, and the debian kernel can emulate coprocessing. |
| 03:42.52 | barok | okay. that's cool. |
| 03:43.03 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: just put the cd in the drive and let it go! |
| 03:43.10 | nvz | well I just figured out something about my font problem.. I can sit at the login and keep killing the server until I get big fonts.. heh However this shit is annoying regaurdless |
| 03:43.18 | stranger | barok, but when free cpus come along...they will most likely not be of x86 style and will require their own assembler from which to build a new gcc...so the floating point routines may change a bit |
| 03:43.20 | Ludwic | How do I know whay kind of distro do I have? |
| 03:43.23 | Guerin | KunFU: more details. |
| 03:43.25 | simonrvn | Guerin: i'm going to do some research as to what recourse i have. i'm what the gov't would call non-status native; not associated with a rez or a "nation". as to any issues i might have, when i would say, contact the feds concerning metis issues, they don't even bother sending an auto-reply about it, they just ignore it, so it's an uphill battle. google metis scrip red river, to get some background |
| 03:43.29 | Guerin | Ludwic: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:43.49 | KunFU | MyOwnLittlWorld, not from cd , just from my download ISO |
| 03:43.56 | Guerin | simonrvn: damn. |
| 03:44.03 | Ludwic | and How do I know if it is a Sarge or a Woody, etc? |
| 03:44.13 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: well, you kind of have to load the ISO to your computer somehow |
| 03:44.21 | Guerin | simonrvn: bad as they have it, the NZ maori don't have it too bad. |
| 03:44.38 | maebmij | KunFU, easiest if you can just burn the iso(s) to cdrw. |
| 03:44.48 | bucky | Ludwic, 3.1 is sarge |
| 03:44.58 | simonrvn | Guerin: i've heard they went through some tough times too... but it seems the nz gov't isactually treating them like human beings? |
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| 03:45.02 | chalenged | kunfu: you need to burn it...cant do from iso |
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| 03:45.12 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: this page will help: |
| 03:45.12 | MyOwnLittlWorld | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en |
| 03:45.19 | Ludwic | bucky: Ok, that's exactly what I have. Thanks a lot. And sorry for that stupid questions |
| 03:45.21 | bucky | Ludwic, what does /sbin/runlevel say? |
| 03:45.28 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah. |
| 03:45.30 | barok | okay everyone, thanks alot. |
| 03:45.31 | MyOwnLittlWorld | (assuming you're running it on a pentium chip) |
| 03:45.49 | nvz | I can't seem to even reach google in links2 or firefox right now |
| 03:45.54 | Ludwic | bucky: N 2 |
| 03:45.59 | bucky | good |
| 03:46.00 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: you need to have it on a cd that's in your drive at boot time so that it can boot the installer off the cd rather than your normal operating system. |
| 03:46.04 | KunFU | Guerin: install Debian from fixed-disk ( loadlin vmlinuz initrd start.bat) |
| 03:46.11 | Ludwic | bucky: why? |
| 03:46.20 | simonrvn | Ludwic: that means "not available", "runlevel 2" |
| 03:46.21 | deadcat | i have a prism54 usb card: am i suppose to use prism54u.ko or the islsm_usb driver? |
| 03:46.22 | cire | how may I tell firefox what to do with certain protocols? (eg, which program to use with ftp:// or irc:// links). Sorry, non-debian specific question. |
| 03:46.26 | fwiw390 | question - SINGLE-USER MODE <---- what is the purpose of this and why is it unpassworded by default?? |
| 03:46.35 | simonrvn | it isn't |
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| 03:46.47 | nvz | hmm.. or any website for that matter |
| 03:46.49 | simonrvn | you're not running debian if it is unpassworded |
| 03:46.54 | bucky | Ludwic, just looking to see if you were running knoppix or something |
| 03:46.56 | deadcat | fwiw390: you aint using debian |
| 03:46.59 | Guerin | fwiw390: it's for system administration, and it's not unpassworded by default; you should have to enter your root pass to start. |
| 03:47.08 | fwiw390 | oh ok |
| 03:47.24 | KunFU | MyOwnLittlWorld : I doubte " vmlinuz \ initrd" isn't the right one |
| 03:47.32 | Guerin | fwiw390: aside from the fact that you have to reboot to get there, which requires either root or poweroff |
| 03:47.36 | fwiw390 | i'm running InteractiveBastille right now, and it's asking me about passwording single-user mode - but i guess bastille is used with other distros too |
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| 03:47.55 | Guerin | fwiw390: obviously. |
| 03:48.29 | cire | single-user mode? Is this where I get to, when typing "telinit 1" ? |
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| 03:48.35 | bob2 | yes |
| 03:48.45 | KunFU | maebmij, no CDRW |
| 03:48.45 | RogueDopple | fwiw390: what are the chances a program is used on diff linux OS |
| 03:48.55 | d0s4gw | is there any linux media players that can access an iTunes shared library? |
| 03:49.04 | fwiw390 | question - so has anybdoy set up a debian box for their computer illiterate parents? i want to, because they have old hardware that doesn't do too well with win2k + symantec client, but i figured debian would run better and i could remotely administer it from out-of-state |
| 03:49.18 | fwiw390 | rogue - 100% |
| 03:49.29 | cire | fwiw390: I did. |
| 03:49.33 | RogueDopple | genius |
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| 03:49.47 | Guerin | fwiw390: i have sarge and xfce4 set up for my mum on her 400mhz/160MB laptop |
| 03:49.49 | fwiw390 | cire - what was it like? |
| 03:49.50 | maebmij | KunFU, the next easiest thing to do is a network+floppies install |
| 03:50.03 | bucky | like old people having sex |
| 03:50.03 | bob2 | see, I tried that, but then they complained about not being able to run random .exe's people emailed them |
| 03:50.08 | rixth | Can anyone recomend a good source of information about distributed compilng? |
| 03:50.12 | nvz | d0s4gw: iTunes shared library? |
| 03:50.20 | Guerin | fwiw390: she loves it - the only thing she needs me to do for her is package installs, etc. |
| 03:50.26 | cire | fwiw390: I had to write a manual ;) But now they really like it. Just renamed KMail to "Mail" and Firefox to "Internet" and so on. |
| 03:50.27 | bob2 | rixth: install distcc. enjoy! |
| 03:50.27 | fwiw390 | nice! |
| 03:50.29 | Guerin | rixth: man distcc |
| 03:50.33 | d0s4gw | nvs: yes, i have a windows machine on the same network, running itunes |
| 03:50.35 | jasoncohen | i can't figure this out. on my laptop i can eject a DVD by pressing the eject button on the DVD-ROM drive. on my desktop i have to do eject /dev/dvd. on my laptop a certain DVD plays fine but on my desktop it gives libdvdcss errors and kaffeine says /dev/dvd doesn't exist or it's DMA settings can't be checked- however another DVD works fine. what could be causing these differences? |
| 03:50.36 | bob2 | rixth: (I think it comes with a paper on the topic) |
| 03:50.38 | Guerin | distcc is EASY AS PIE |
| 03:50.51 | d0s4gw | nvs: and you can share a library over a network with itunes |
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| 03:51.06 | Guerin | goddamn.... itunes |
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| 03:51.10 | Guerin | worst music app evar |
| 03:51.15 | Condector | hey, anyone have a Via Unichrome?? |
| 03:51.20 | Condector | and install into Debian?? |
| 03:51.27 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: what OS do your currently have on your system? |
| 03:51.28 | fwiw390 | guerin - is there an itunes analog on sourceforge? |
| 03:51.29 | d0s4gw | Guerin: its good for my ipod. whats better on debian? |
| 03:51.36 | rixth | bob2, thanks. Gonna Debian-fy my Xbox, been done, yes, but should be interesting. |
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| 03:51.43 | bob2 | hah |
| 03:51.47 | KunFU | MyOwnLittlWorld : xp |
| 03:51.49 | stranger | i really get upset when people don't even make an effort to understand even cache coherency issues or simple interprocess communications inside the kernel |
| 03:51.50 | nvz | d0s4gw: gtkpod is what debian users use for their ipods |
| 03:51.55 | krasiva | hi all, I would like to set up networking on UML, what would be the first step to do so ? |
| 03:51.59 | fwiw390 | i like the idea of itunes tracking your music consumption and mixing it up for you...but i want to avoid using M$ and apple corporate stuff...they are like sith |
| 03:51.59 | cire | fwiw390: My parents only use it to get their mails and access homepages of their friends. And they also do some office work with it. (openoffice writer). That's all. |
| 03:52.02 | jasoncohen | i have sarge on my desktop and etch on my laptop. i have libdvdcss2 installed on both |
| 03:52.05 | stranger | it is as if they reject gnowledge entirely |
| 03:52.24 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: do you have xp in NTFS mode? |
| 03:52.33 | bob2 | stranger: just wait for them to post a patch and have ch flame them |
| 03:52.39 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: well, is your harddrive NTFS formatted? |
| 03:52.40 | nvz | d0s4gw: as for a client interface for apples propriatary protocol, its highly unlikely I am sure. |
| 03:52.41 | KunFU | MyOwnLittlWorld : I can load the install interface . but it can't find the network card |
| 03:52.52 | KunFU | MyOwnLittlWorld : fat32 |
| 03:53.04 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: good... what kind of card do you have? |
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| 03:53.31 | d0s4gw | nvz: i suppose i hadnt considered that protocal proprietary |
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| 03:53.36 | deadcat | can anyone get prism54 usb driver to load AND connect to an AP? |
| 03:53.46 | d0s4gw | nvz: so there probably isnt an app that can do it |
| 03:53.53 | d0s4gw | weak |
| 03:53.58 | stranger | and not just kernel issues....some of them don't even try to understand simple methods of sending information from a device to the cpu with say an IRQ approach. |
| 03:53.58 | bob2 | deadcat: it was pretty flakey last I heard |
| 03:54.01 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: network installs generally work if you can get an ethernet cable into the back of your computer |
| 03:54.04 | Guerin | d0s4gw: it's better to not use an ipod at all |
| 03:54.10 | Guerin | d0s4gw: but there is gtkpod |
| 03:54.11 | bob2 | deadcat: (the usb bit) |
| 03:54.12 | bucky | krasiva, theres apt-cache show kernel-patch-skas ... don't know if anyone's used it |
| 03:54.15 | d0s4gw | Guerin: alternative? |
| 03:54.15 | bob2 | deadcat: are you using latest cvs? |
| 03:54.18 | bucky | plus uml utils |
| 03:54.19 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: wireless support isn't available in the installer (I think) |
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| 03:54.24 | Guerin | d0s4gw: alternative to what? |
| 03:54.27 | stranger | even from a simple driver module outside the kernel core....they don't even try to understan |
| 03:54.32 | KunFU | MyOwnLittlWorld : when i isntall debian 3.0 it can find the card |
| 03:54.35 | d0s4gw | Guerin: using an iPod |
| 03:54.40 | deadcat | bob2: still? ya the tla thing. |
| 03:54.52 | stranger | and then they say they have no chance in hell....what kind of attitude is this. |
| 03:54.54 | bucky | KunFU, what kind of card is it? |
| 03:55.03 | Guerin | d0s4gw: sell your ipod secondhand on ebay and buy a brand new any-other-player which will be better |
| 03:55.12 | KunFU | bucky, i dont know -_-" |
| 03:55.14 | Guerin | d0s4gw: for example, iaudio m3 |
| 03:55.14 | KunFU | root@0[zeus]# uname -a |
| 03:55.14 | KunFU | Linux Letmebe 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:55.14 | KunFU | root@0[zeus]# |
| 03:55.22 | simonrvn | ipod doesn't do ogg |
| 03:55.34 | d0s4gw | Guerin: but i feel so trendy when i have my iPod |
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| 03:55.41 | Guerin | d0s4gw: hahaha |
| 03:55.44 | simonrvn | trendy isn't cool |
| 03:55.45 | stranger | i am still surprised that no one has bothered to improve the freegl code in some time....to eliminate opengl |
| 03:55.47 | bucky | KunFU, ethernet card? |
| 03:56.01 | RedPenguin | Guerin, how are you? |
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| 03:56.10 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: try "lspci -v" in the console and it'll give you nearly all the things you have in your system, find your network card |
| 03:56.20 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: or at least, I hope it shows up. |
| 03:56.24 | simonrvn | look for ethernet ;) |
| 03:56.26 | RedPenguin | Guerin don't mind me, you just have the exact same nick as my mother's friends last name |
| 03:56.34 | KunFU | bucky, yes. it's a intergrated card |
| 03:56.45 | bucky | KunFU, listen to MyOwnLittlWorld |
| 03:56.49 | bucky | ^^ |
| 03:57.10 | stranger | it seems that many people for whatever reason choose to reject gnowledge and just fork over cash instead |
| 03:57.10 | krasiva | bucky: I dont have networking so far |
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| 03:57.20 | KunFU | root@0[zeus]# lspci -v |
| 03:57.20 | KunFU | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 741/741GX/M741 Host (rev 03) |
| 03:57.20 | KunFU | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.20 | KunFU | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.20 | KunFU | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:57.23 | deadcat | bob2: i dont seem to find any doc about prism54 usb execpt on that guy;s page. and its not very clear at all. its my only hope to have a small wireless device on the ibook that can do shits. |
| 03:57.25 | stranger | and i don't understand this phenomenon |
| 03:57.28 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:57.40 | krasiva | bob2: how is your UML installation working ? have you got networking (internet) working ? |
| 03:57.40 | simonrvn | 'knowledge' |
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| 03:57.47 | KunFU | 0000:00:02.1 SMBus: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0016 |
| 03:57.47 | deadcat | KunFU: you are a moron |
| 03:57.49 | KunFU | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.51 | KunFU | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.53 | KunFU | 0000:00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (prog-if 80 [Master]) |
| 03:57.53 | MyOwnLittlWorld | kunfu: look for something labeled ethernet device |
| 03:57.54 | MyOwnLittlWorld | krasiva: do you have an ethernet card? |
| 03:57.54 | deadcat | KunFU: stop pasting moron |
| 03:57.55 | KunFU | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:58.03 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 03:58.05 | bob2 | krasiva: not atm |
| 03:58.07 | stranger | simonrvn, not knowledge....but shared knowledge for the entire community...that which we call gnowledge |
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| 03:58.21 | bob2 | deadcat: hm, ok...I just stuck with my trusty ma-111 |
| 03:58.26 | KunFU | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.28 | KunFU | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:58.31 | bob2 | idiot |
| 03:58.36 | simonrvn | stranger: who's this we? and why redefine the word when it has that as one of its definitions |
| 03:58.41 | deadcat | bob2: thats prism chipset right? |
| 03:58.46 | bob2 | deadcat: yeah |
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| 03:58.53 | bob2 | deadcat: 802.11b only |
| 03:58.58 | simonrvn | KunFU: STOP FUCKING PASTING |
| 03:59.18 | stranger | simonrvn, no...it is a deeper GNU issue...see www.gnowledge.org |
| 03:59.20 | KunFU | what's wrong with me |
| 03:59.28 | bob2 | KunFU: you're crapflooding, stop it |
| 03:59.32 | deadcat | bob2: ya. i can get the prism chipset .11b working ok. managed mode only though. with the prismg54usb i expect managed/ad-hoc/master/aireplay. (=.. |
| 03:59.40 | bob2 | deadcat: ahh, right |
| 03:59.42 | deadcat | KunFU: you are a moron. /topic dammit |
| 03:59.49 | KunFU | bob2, sorry . i didn't mean to . |
| 03:59.55 | bob2 | KunFU: paste it to #flood |
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| 04:00.13 | simonrvn | stranger: i'll that in mind. go visit later |
| 04:00.18 | deadcat | bob2: and the linux-wlan-ng driver is weird compare to regular drivers. iwconfig wont work. i have to use that stupid command and the options. |
| 04:00.28 | bob2 | deadcat: oh yeah, it's crap |
| 04:00.30 | bob2 | I hated it |
| 04:00.31 | jasoncohen | how do i enable supermount for cdroms? |
| 04:00.44 | bob2 | and it refused to connect to my AP at home, but worked on every other one in the world |
| 04:00.46 | jasoncohen | apparently my laptop isn't automounting and my desktop is |
| 04:00.54 | bob2 | jasoncohen: you don't want supermount |
| 04:01.00 | bob2 | it's an evil kernel patch |
| 04:01.08 | bob2 | jasoncohen: are you using gnome or kde? |
| 04:01.12 | jasoncohen | kde |
| 04:01.15 | deadcat | bob2: let me know when you get the prism54usb driver to work. (= |
| 04:01.20 | KunFU | #flood |
| 04:01.24 | bob2 | haha, I have an ipw2100 now |
| 04:01.29 | deadcat | damn |
| 04:01.42 | d0s4gw | has anyone here ever gotten sshfs to work correctly? |
| 04:01.43 | simonrvn | KunFU: /join #flood |
| 04:01.45 | jasoncohen | bob2, so, is there a better way in KDE? |
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| 04:01.52 | bob2 | jasoncohen: yeah, but I don't know it |
| 04:01.56 | bob2 | jasoncohen: #debian-kde probably does |
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| 04:02.37 | krasiva | anyone got networking under UML, please let me know . |
| 04:02.44 | mikinp | what's best program for diskedit |
| 04:02.46 | bob2 | lots of people do |
| 04:02.47 | cire | sorry for asking here, but nobody in #firefox answers. (if there is anybody). Do I need an extension to make firefox accept ftp:// and irc:// links, and to link them with kbear and ksirc? (or other protocols) |
| 04:02.52 | bob2 | the uml howto goe into a lot of details |
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| 04:03.06 | simonrvn | cire: not for ftp, no |
| 04:03.43 | cire | in opera, I easily could link ANY application to ANY protocol. Is this possible with firefox? |
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| 04:04.06 | simonrvn | irc you can't. whine to the devs |
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| 04:05.10 | cire | simonrvn: this means, it is not possible to build an extension which is capable of this, or does this mean nobody did that yet, or does this mean you don't know it exactly? |
| 04:05.16 | vIC | halo |
| 04:05.38 | bucky | olah |
| 04:05.42 | simonrvn | maybe. yes. pretty sure. |
| 04:05.55 | cire | okay, thank you. |
| 04:06.19 | krasiva | bob2: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/networking.html :) |
| 04:06.27 | bob2 | yes |
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| 04:07.13 | AllKind | trying to set my console resolution and fonts. lspci tells me: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c). svgatextmode has no such chipset included. what should i do? |
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| 04:07.35 | stranger | it saddens me really that so many people would just say screw this...i don't have a chance in hell to understand it....just take all my money instead and give me the answers prepackaged. |
| 04:08.02 | stranger | it is a bad attitude |
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| 04:08.41 | MyOwnLittlWorld | stranger: I agree. getting linux running has been one of the most fun experiences I've had on a computer... not to mention informative |
| 04:09.31 | stranger | MyOwnLittlWorld, well consider it a learning experience....and much needed because now the linux kernel is infected with DRM so we have move to a clean kernel of some kind with clean and FREE Hardware also |
| 04:09.56 | dbeal | stranger, you never give someone 100% of your money..unless it's your wife. |
| 04:10.13 | stranger | dbeal, damn right...my wife got every dime i ever made |
| 04:10.17 | forced | Free hardware... heh. |
| 04:10.20 | bcole | your wrong, you give your wife 0% |
| 04:10.25 | MyOwnLittlWorld | stranger: wait... what's this about DRM on linux? |
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| 04:11.17 | stranger | MyOwnLittlWorld, yes...actually the corporations secretly signed a Trusted/Treacherous Computing and even worse Trusted Network Computing behind everyone's back |
| 04:11.34 | OAKLANDGANGBANGA | hey- i have a wificard |
| 04:11.37 | MyOwnLittlWorld | stranger: do you have any news articles on that or anything? |
| 04:11.40 | stranger | and they have infiltrated the Linux kernel for their own hardware purposes |
| 04:11.57 | OAKLANDGANGBANGA | can i set it to auto connect to open ap's when i'm on the subway or something? |
| 04:12.09 | OAKLANDGANGBANGA | like auto pickup the unexcrypted |
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| 04:12.25 | stranger | MyOwnLittlWorld, yes i read some stuff on it the other day...but they are definitely gearing up to support Intel and AMD stuff that has been DRMed |
| 04:12.27 | bcole | stranger: what corporations are you talking about exactly? |
| 04:12.37 | stranger | bcole, the hardware corporations man |
| 04:12.42 | stranger | bcole, the groups |
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| 04:13.11 | stranger | bcole, that is why free hardware with clean kernel code is needed .....even if it is nowhere near as good |
| 04:13.30 | bcole | buddy your way off the mark |
| 04:14.00 | monsoon | I need to install ndiswrapper from sarge iso's I have the iso's but cannot seem to get apt-get update, to work on the cds... what do i need to do to be able to install from the cds as if they were repos instead of with dpkg ? |
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| 04:14.35 | stranger | bcole, look man GNU is not about supporting giant software corporations that restrict software....and neither is the FHF about supporting giant corporations that restrict hardware. |
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| 04:15.04 | stranger | bcole, but the problem is....that they keep saying...you are not going to take our damn jobs....we need to eat |
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| 04:15.12 | nvz | major fucking net lag here :P |
| 04:15.16 | jair | hello my community |
| 04:15.24 | SDFH_Linux | is there a 64bit port of debian for amd 64 cpus? |
| 04:15.26 | jair | how are you all doing? |
| 04:15.28 | jair | ;) |
| 04:15.44 | bucky | monsoon, mount your cdrom to /cdrom and make sure #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main is uncommented in sources.list |
| 04:15.53 | jair | guys I have a Xeon server, and I will be installing debian sarge on it |
| 04:16.03 | jair | what kernel I should use? |
| 04:16.06 | monsoon | bucky, ah i was mounting it to /media/cdrom thx |
| 04:16.09 | jair | i686? |
| 04:16.09 | bucky | SDFH_Linux, yes there is |
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| 04:16.38 | maebmij | jair: I think so, yes. |
| 04:16.39 | nvz | packet loss, packet loss, packet loss |
| 04:16.52 | jair | or I should use the i686-smp? it have 2 GB of ram and 500GB hard drive 2x 250 |
| 04:17.05 | bcole | stranger: i think you have been reading too many /. articles about DRM |
| 04:17.27 | jair | hmmm I have to be sure because this will be the main server on an organization I am setting up. |
| 04:17.35 | maebmij | jair: do you have more than one CPU? |
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| 04:17.50 | jair | maebmij, not really it only have one. |
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| 04:18.05 | maebmij | jair, ok you don't need smp. |
| 04:18.10 | jair | maebmij, have you ever use the application GNU parted? |
| 04:18.14 | stranger | bcole, no....they know that RMS has not been able to find a job since 1984....and they fear the same will happen to them |
| 04:18.28 | jair | maebmij, cool my friend thank you for the feed back |
| 04:18.43 | bsims | question: I know the kernel adds names to new usb devices automaticaly how do I tell it to rescan the bus? |
| 04:18.52 | jair | anyone here has been use "parted" before? |
| 04:19.06 | stranger | bcole, they keep undervaluing "social benefits" and "public goods" to private financial gain |
| 04:19.06 | bob2 | bsims: you can't |
| 04:19.09 | jair | I know how to use it but I want to make sure I will do the right thing. |
| 04:19.13 | bucky | jair yes.. it makes you define things in MB's |
| 04:19.18 | bob2 | bsims: it gets notified by the usb controller when you plug things in |
| 04:19.28 | nvz | jair: how about asking your question |
| 04:19.28 | stranger | bcole, it is an ethical issue as RMS has stated many times |
| 04:19.30 | jair | bucky, yes it is kind of tricky for me |
| 04:19.32 | squisher | bsims: unplug/plug the device? ;-) |
| 04:19.37 | bsims | bob2: damn, I was hoping that simply going to level 1 and back up would do it |
| 04:19.38 | jair | nvz, sorry |
| 04:19.40 | jair | ok |
| 04:19.43 | bob2 | bsims: nope |
| 04:19.46 | bsims | squisher: not in this case... |
| 04:19.53 | bob2 | bsims: unplug and replug, if you think that is the problem (it's probably not) |
| 04:20.14 | jair | I have this hard drive extra in my server: (parted) print |
| 04:20.15 | jair | Disk geometry for /dev/hdb: 0.000-238475.179 megabytes |
| 04:20.15 | jair | Disk label type: msdos |
| 04:20.15 | jair | Minor Start End Type Filesystem Flags |
| 04:20.15 | jair | 1 0.031 238472.688 primary ext3 boot |
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| 04:20.48 | jair | I am so sorry I did not know that couple of line will be flood here |
| 04:20.50 | jair | wow |
| 04:20.51 | bsims | bob2: what the problem was I bought a new card reader... the mappings were there from the old one, when I pluged in the new one it went past teh SG devices |
| 04:21.00 | jair | delicated channel |
| 04:21.03 | jair | ok |
| 04:21.05 | deadcat | jair: you should be sorry for not reading the /topic |
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| 04:21.19 | nvz | jair: this is a high-volume discussion channel, as it says in the /topic you should use #flood, a paste bin, or /msg dpkg paster |
| 04:21.33 | jair | deadcat, ok, I though that tree lines will make flood |
| 04:21.41 | bsims | I rebooted and pluged in the usb devices in the proper order and all is now good but I hate rebooting it smells of windows <g> |
| 04:21.50 | jair | nvz, understanded |
| 04:21.56 | nvz | jair: the bot kicked you, and it was 4 lines, you typed one then immediatly pasted |
| 04:22.05 | jair | ohhh ok |
| 04:22.16 | jair | again will not happen in the future |
| 04:22.18 | AllKind | aha, it's not fbcon, it's fbset. the !framebuffer trigger has an error :p |
| 04:22.52 | nvz | jair: you can be sure if it does, the eggdrop bot knows what to do :P |
| 04:23.27 | bsims | ok, <sigh> so there is no way to that short of a reboot... good to know |
| 04:24.15 | jair | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.39 | jair | bucky, can you check what i pasted? |
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| 04:25.22 | samuella | hi, i'm wondering how to view my current version of debian |
| 04:25.26 | jair | bucky, this is how the print command of parted shows me when I run "parted /dev/hdb" |
| 04:25.46 | OAKLANDGANGBANGA | yeah |
| 04:25.47 | chealer | !version |
| 04:25.47 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 04:26.00 | jair | I need to shrink the space of this hdb to be able of install other distro or os there? |
| 04:26.22 | jair | anyone here has been use "GNU parted"? |
| 04:26.54 | nvz | isnt parted in the installer? |
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| 04:27.25 | jair | nvz, it is an GNU application to resize create or modify your current partitions. |
| 04:27.29 | peterS | the installer uses libparted, but a different frontend |
| 04:27.39 | nvz | yeah I knew it was a different frontend |
| 04:27.51 | jair | peterS, can you check what I have here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/M86BTO49.html |
| 04:27.54 | nvz | waht I am trying to say, is everyone here who installed debian pretty much used parted |
| 04:27.58 | EvilSporkMan | i've made an xbox->USB cable and attached an Xbox controller to my PC. The controller works fine under "jstest /dev/js0". However, ZSNES does not appear to respond to the D-PAD or the L and R triggers. what can i do about this? |
| 04:28.12 | nvz | he has yet to ask any real question that I can see |
| 04:28.30 | peterS | jair: what about it? you should know that I'm not particularly a parted expert |
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| 04:29.07 | OAKLANDGANGBANGA | yeah- i'm going to some small college while i try to see again |
| 04:29.22 | jasoncohen | for some reason my desktop is automounting DVD videos (i have no idea why- it just started doing this today) and i have to eject the disk manually as root? why would it be automounting a DVD and how do i stop it from doing so? |
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| 04:29.27 | mrnull | if i've got unstable as a souce, do i need testing? Or does the unstable dist have everything |
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| 04:29.39 | jair | peterS, ok I can see that the partition on the hdb start in 0.031 and ends in 238472.688 right |
| 04:29.42 | jasoncohen | a few hours ago it wasn't automounting DVDs and it doesn't do so on my laptop with etch so i have no clue what's going on |
| 04:29.54 | peterS | jair: so what's the problem? |
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| 04:30.07 | nvz | jair: you are obviously unfamiliar with the protocols around here.. so let me tell you that its easier to ask a specific question and have the knowlagable find you, then for you to hunt down someone and throw things directly at them |
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| 04:30.41 | JeffH | Is there something I need to do to enable cgi-bin scripts through apache2? |
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| 04:31.05 | jasoncohen | oh and umount /media/cdrom0 does nothing...mount still shows it mounted |
| 04:31.18 | jair | peterS, so if I want to resize it "shrink it" to (start 0.031 ) and (end 228472.688) could I do that? it will give me 10GB free? |
| 04:31.43 | peterS | jair: sure. I forget the exact command but, as long as you do *not* have /dev/hdb1 mounted right now, it should do it with no problem |
| 04:31.44 | Epod69 | hey, im still getting the same error when booting from my newly configured kernel, even after making an initrd and editing menu.lst accordingly....: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 04:31.47 | nvz | sounds like someone should have used LVM |
| 04:31.54 | dukeherc | hi, i have a dude, do you know if is possible have postgresql8(from apt) on sarge? |
| 04:31.55 | peterS | nvz: indeed |
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| 04:32.12 | peterS | dukeherc: take the one from unstable and drop it into sarge, should work fine |
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| 04:32.16 | jasoncohen | lol- why would it suddenly decide to start automouting DVD videos? it makes no sense |
| 04:32.21 | Epod69 | anyone know what else could be the problem, or maybe something i did wrong... ? |
| 04:32.22 | jair | peterS, hmmm right I know the command though, and I remember the warning messsage about mounted. |
| 04:32.26 | jasoncohen | grr- i hate when things change for no reason |
| 04:32.42 | jair | peterS, I did not add this partition to the fstab yet, so it is mounted for now |
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| 04:33.12 | jair | peterS, If I turn off the computer, the hdb will not be on the directory where i mount it |
| 04:33.14 | dukeherc | peterS, ok |
| 04:33.15 | nvz | peterS: I;ve realized you dont know you need LVM until you need it, and unless you already have it, its too late.. |
| 04:33.16 | mythtv | hey guys, i am trying to setup X on a remote computer that has no mouse/keyboard/monitor plugged in, the xf86cfg asks all sorts of questions about the monitor. etc that i have no answers too, is there a way of having X try and auto configure itself? |
| 04:33.21 | peterS | jair: I've not used parted to achieve this. I've used ext2resize (underestimating the space), followed by cfdisk to resize the disk, then another ext2resize again (not specifying the new size) to make it fit exactly |
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| 04:33.32 | peterS | jair: but parted *is* supposed to automate these steps |
| 04:33.44 | peterS | jair: I don't understand your situation with mounting. you say it *is* mounted but it's *not* in fstab? |
| 04:33.45 | jair | peterS, yes |
| 04:33.49 | OAKLANDGANGBANGA | but the naval academy said no afterward |
| 04:34.03 | liable | wtf |
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| 04:34.36 | jair | peterS, I have this extra hd (hdb) and I run the command /mount /dev/hdb /directory |
| 04:34.44 | peterS | nvz: that's another way of saying "good judgment comes from experience. experience comes from bad judgment." |
| 04:34.52 | nvz | heh |
| 04:35.06 | peterS | jair: you want /dev/hdb1 not /dev/hdb. note the partition number under the "Minor" column |
| 04:35.15 | jair | so it is not on the "fstab" yet so enytime it boot the machine the directory "/directory" appear there mounted automatic |
| 04:35.28 | nvz | peterS: or that the LVM developers missed a key feature.. heh |
| 04:35.32 | stranger | but seriously i don't mind my wife got all my money....after all ...she made my world go round and was worth every penny |
| 04:35.36 | EvilSporkMan | mythtv: what package did you install for X? It looks to me like you need to just install xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:35.45 | jair | peterS, right, in the hdb I only have 1 partition |
| 04:35.48 | jair | hdb1 |
| 04:35.53 | peterS | jair: well, hdb and hdb1 are *not* the same thing |
| 04:35.55 | stranger | but the damn police stole her and my children |
| 04:36.06 | peterS | jair: note that the one starts at 0.000 megabytes and the other starts at 0.031 megabytes |
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| 04:36.20 | jair | right |
| 04:36.27 | EvilSporkMan | mythtv: whoops...that's the one that's giving you trouble. sorry |
| 04:36.40 | jair | peterS, so the one I will change is the one that starts in 0.031 mb |
| 04:36.42 | peterS | jair: on Sun disklabels, the first partition will start at the beginning of the disk, but here, on an msdos partition table, the first partition starts one disk cylinder later |
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| 04:37.05 | nvz | stranger: heh, were you looking for #jerry-springer, or something? I had the police steal from me before.. but never the wife and kids |
| 04:37.27 | jair | peterS, hmmm interesting. I have never mess with solaris I think that soon I will start though. |
| 04:37.36 | EvilSporkMan | mythtv: why does a machine with no monitor/keyboard/etc. need an X server? |
| 04:37.48 | peterS | jair: overlapping a partition with a partition table is a bit overrated. it's easy to cause problems that way |
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| 04:38.07 | mythtv | EvilSporkMan: because it will eventually be connected to a tv, and to run mythtv setup i need to have an x server running |
| 04:38.08 | nvz | EvilSporkMan: seriously.. sounds like it needs VNC if anything :P and that doesnt hardly require X |
| 04:38.33 | JeffH | does the debian package of apache2 enable cgi-bin by default? |
| 04:38.45 | stranger | nvs....well they did man and i have reason to believe they raped my little girls....and i am pissed |
| 04:38.52 | mythtv | is there a way of having x try and auto configure |
| 04:38.58 | maebmij | nvz: VNC doesn't require X? I thought it kinda invoked an X server and displayed it remotely? |
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| 04:39.13 | EvilSporkMan | mythtv: how could it possibly guess right? |
| 04:39.20 | stranger | nvs and the bastards are trying to cover up something because they will not let me even speak to them for 11 years |
| 04:39.33 | stranger | nvs but i can't get to the bottom of it all |
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| 04:39.47 | nvz | stranger: yeah who wouldnt be. you really can't talk about it here though, its too sensitive of a subject, and its not on topic. this channel is too high volume for everyone to be getting emotional |
| 04:39.52 | jair | peterS, so then I should do this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rhiBjd96.html |
| 04:40.19 | nvz | maebmij: kind of, but not really |
| 04:40.26 | mythtv | EvilSporkMan: it doesn't have to guess it really well it just has to work, ie so that the server starts. I can tweak it correctly later. Should I just plug a keyboard etc. in? Whats the tool to auto configure it? |
| 04:40.26 | stranger | nvz well..it doesn't do much good to talk about it anywhere as not even the damn liers, i mean lawyers give a shit |
| 04:40.29 | peterS | jair: what is the ,688 at the end there? |
| 04:40.31 | fwiw39xx | question - i'm trying to harden my new debian sarge with BASTILLE...but i'm getting error messages when i try to finalize the config and apply changes to the system - any resource or personal exp to help? |
| 04:40.33 | nvz | maebmij: look at the dependencies of xvncserver |
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| 04:40.44 | peterS | jair: you mean .688 but really it'll round it to the nearest cylinder boundary so you probably don't want to bother |
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| 04:40.56 | EvilSporkMan | mythtv: can you even start a server with no display? |
| 04:40.56 | stranger | nvz one lawyer told me he would help in May...and the fucking liar did not |
| 04:41.12 | mythtv | EvilSporkMan: don't ask me hehe |
| 04:41.16 | xaphod | question, can files that are written to a directory that is mounted via smbfs to a windows machine support files larger than 2GB ? The windows machine can, it's an NTFS drive being written to. I think smbfs is killing the copy at 2GB though! |
| 04:41.21 | stranger | nvz so i guess i will drop it....but this government is evil |
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| 04:41.42 | EvilSporkMan | mythtv: it seems that what you are trying to do is not the correct way to do it, just because of its odd nature |
| 04:41.46 | peterS | stranger: if only we had a president from your state |
| 04:41.53 | EvilSporkMan | mythtv: have you, you know, checked the mythtv website? |
| 04:42.06 | maebmij | nvz: cool, I didn't know that :) |
| 04:42.17 | jair | peterS, but it is ok then type just --> parted) resize 1 0.031 228472? |
| 04:42.23 | jair | peterS, but it is ok then type just --> parted) resize 1 0.031 228472 ? |
| 04:42.29 | jair | sorry |
| 04:42.42 | jair | I did not want you get confuse with the "?" |
| 04:42.43 | peterS | jair: sure. it'll round it to the nearest 0.031 MB or so |
| 04:42.44 | mythtv | EvilSporkMan: it's not a mythtv problem, so theres no reason why I would check the website |
| 04:42.47 | nvz | stranger: theres definatly not going to be a debate about that. |
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| 04:43.31 | jair | peterS, the reason why I want to do this is if you notice will be at the end of the cylinders of the 250GB hd |
| 04:43.44 | EvilSporkMan | mythtv: are you trying to use the debian packages for mythtv? |
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| 04:44.06 | jair | peterS, and also because i will be installing windows xp for my wife and eventually maybe resize and install other like solaris |
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| 04:44.28 | stranger | peterS, well fuck him too...he is a capitalist pig....but i imagine he will live out his life in luxury while everyone else suffers like hell....but perhaps in the afterlife people will get what they deserve |
| 04:44.35 | jair | peterS, the thing is that Macromedia do not have MX studio for Linux yet |
| 04:44.36 | peterS | jair: it's a fair question whether winxp will be able to boot from a partition 228 GB into your disk |
| 04:44.43 | nvz | stranger: I was having net trouble, so I didnt catch the earlier part. Did your wife leave you for a crooked cop? |
| 04:45.03 | maggo | somebody has the 2Q algorithm? |
| 04:45.14 | peterS | jair: not every BIOS is able to do that sort of thing |
| 04:45.24 | stranger | nvz, i don't know what the hell happened....one day i went to Huntsville Prison where i heard my wife was working and the damn guards would not let me see her. |
| 04:45.41 | stranger | nvz, and it has been shit ever since |
| 04:45.48 | jair | peterS, I mean I have in the first hda the linux and swap and home and root partitions |
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| 04:46.20 | jair | peterS, and in the 250GB I want to leave some space like 15GB free to install windows and macromedia |
| 04:46.29 | nvz | stranger: damn. I'd be singing "Here is something you just can't understand, How I could just kill a man ..." |
| 04:46.42 | nvz | but hey, I listen to Rage a lot as it is |
| 04:46.49 | peterS | jair: that's fine, just make sure your BIOS can deal directly with disks larger than 128 GB |
| 04:46.52 | jair | but the 235 left will be space for info of the linux. |
| 04:47.04 | peterS | jair: otherwise you'll need to put winxp at the *start* of the second disk, in order to be able to boot it |
| 04:47.07 | jair | yes it can |
| 04:47.09 | stranger | nvz, well the police and the FBI have insinuated this against me as well as many other things...but i have not killed yet....and this is what they never seem to get right |
| 04:47.24 | jair | peterS, I have a asus motherboard almost new |
| 04:47.41 | jair | peterS, this mother board support SATA raid |
| 04:47.47 | simonrvn | @tell root_____ -about root |
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| 04:48.08 | jair | peterS, and I am actually using the hdb = 250GB for backup, folders etc... |
| 04:48.09 | bigbill52a | i have xp on sata and debian on first ide drive |
| 04:48.17 | stranger | nvz and the bastards have gone to every job i ever had like UBM....and got me fired....and forced me to starve in the streets....and they have been trying to get me to commit suicide for some reason....and they are really fucked up |
| 04:48.32 | jair | peterS, ohhh I think I understand you now |
| 04:48.33 | peterS | jair: installing winxp on /dev/hdb2 will be fun. I wonder where it will think it appropriate to put the boot code |
| 04:48.34 | OAKLANDGANGBANGA | hey- lets set up a hacking channel on free node |
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| 04:48.50 | simonrvn | dumbass... |
| 04:48.59 | peterS | jair: normally it puts it on the bootable partition of the first disk. it will find it hard to do this if that isn't a FAT or NTFS partition |
| 04:49.03 | jair | peterS, that is the thing, how I will be able to dual boot |
| 04:49.03 | stranger | and they seem to get paid to torture people to hell endlessly for something they did not do |
| 04:49.20 | peterS | jair: cardinal rule of dual boots: install microsoft OSes first, Linux last (: |
| 04:49.22 | simonrvn | stranger: welcome to the police state |
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| 04:49.29 | jair | right |
| 04:49.34 | jair | peterS, right |
| 04:49.42 | bigbill52a | stranger...check out zephnet..maybe you will find something usefull there |
| 04:49.48 | jair | dam it |
| 04:49.48 | peterS | jair: since this isn't possible (you already installed linux), you have to make the best of it. but I do not know what winxp will do when faced with the boot situation |
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| 04:49.53 | bigbill52a | about what is happening to you |
| 04:50.02 | nvz | stranger: the wife must be in on whatever it is, either that or you got some serious enemies. I figure wife or kids had said something about you to someone.. true or not, this is the kind of shit that happens |
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| 04:50.18 | jair | peterS, right, I do not really want to install linux again. |
| 04:50.31 | jair | peterS, I have everything running so nice and cool |
| 04:50.38 | peterS | jair: can you sacrifice hdb1 at this point? do you have serious stuff on it? |
| 04:50.40 | Stereo | hi, I somehow set a sun disk label on one of my disks while fdisk'ing it. Now I want to remove it, but I can't find the function, on google or in tfm. Where else could I look? |
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| 04:50.51 | peterS | stranger: cfdisk -z |
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| 04:50.55 | peterS | Stereo: cfdisk -z |
| 04:50.59 | peterS | sorry, stranger |
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| 04:51.00 | monsoon | hmm Im trying to install ndiswrapper-utils, (for debian amd64) Ive installed ndiswrapper-source, but when I try to install the ndiswrapper-utils.deb it says the dependency ndiswrapper-modules which doesnt seem to exist |
| 04:51.05 | jair | peterS, i have apache, apache ssl, mysqlserver, phpmyadmin, samba server |
| 04:51.19 | peterS | jair: yes. all that is on hda. I asked if you could sacrifice hdb. |
| 04:51.21 | stranger | nvz, and these bastards have even gone to the Church and convinced a priest with some kind of pictures that i was a murderer....and that bastard believed them because they have badges |
| 04:51.25 | bob2 | monsoon: do you actually have a 64-bit NDIS driver for this card yet? |
| 04:51.36 | jair | yes hdb is just for storage |
| 04:51.51 | Stereo | peterS: thanks :D |
| 04:51.52 | monsoon | bob2, yessss |
| 04:52.04 | stranger | nvz that is why i say....fuck these Americans to hell....i should have a right to speak to my wife and my children to find out what they have done to them. |
| 04:52.05 | nvz | stranger: if you were a criminal they would arrest and procecute you. this is personal. |
| 04:52.10 | bob2 | monsoon: you know the difference betwwen a 64-bit and a 32-bit ndis driver? |
| 04:52.13 | jair | peterS, hdb is 250GB and it was formated as a Linux 83 for storage of long term files |
| 04:52.37 | stranger | nvz well i don't know what their problem is....why they don't show the pictures to me..... |
| 04:52.38 | monsoon | bob2, YES Ive used 64bit distros in the past, I am very familiar with ndiswrapper |
| 04:52.42 | jair | peterS, I did a backup of the info on the hdb |
| 04:52.45 | bob2 | monsoon: ok! |
| 04:52.46 | peterS | jair: my advice: remove hda from your machine. install winxp onto hdb, after moving it to hdc (second cable). you may or may not be able to install xp on a separate partition hdc2 - it may require wiping out hdc1 and installing to the beginning of the disk |
| 04:52.57 | peterS | jair: then put hda back in your machine, boot linux again, and we can go from there |
| 04:53.14 | stranger | nvz but always go behing my back everywhere to keep me ostracized from society and to torture the hell out of me for many many years |
| 04:53.42 | jair | hmmm |
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| 04:53.53 | jair | peterS, ok let see if I understand |
| 04:54.08 | samuel | ive a simple question: how do you reconfigure debconf to ask questions of X priority? is it debconf that needs to be reconfigured? |
| 04:54.17 | jair | peterS, I will disconnect the hda right which is the Master prymary ide 0 |
| 04:54.20 | peterS | jair: the reason to move hdb to hdc is that if you don't, you may not be able to access hdb when hda is unplugged. IDE wasn't designed to have a slave but no master, on one cable |
| 04:54.22 | nvz | stranger: *shrug* I know nothing about you. but it sounds strange. from what I know, sounds like the wife or kids told someone they thought you were dangerous, or had committed a crime, and just nobody can prove it, so they are pushing you until you give in or slip up.. either that or like I said you got serious enmies |
| 04:54.57 | bob2 | samuel: sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 04:54.59 | peterS | jair: and you don't want your second drive to change addresses after installing xp, so you can't just move it to hda temporarily |
| 04:55.03 | stranger | nvz well i am not going to admit to something i did not do....and there are many crimes that i have committed if that is what they sought |
| 04:55.15 | bob2 | stranger: or you're just paranoid |
| 04:55.16 | jair | ohhh |
| 04:55.17 | samuel | bob2, thanks, but done that, and it doesnt ask anything! |
| 04:55.17 | stranger | nvz that would have been easy for them |
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| 04:55.32 | bob2 | samuel: maybe 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf' then |
| 04:55.33 | stranger | nvz there is something else they are after and i can't get to the bottom of it |
| 04:55.39 | simonrvn | stranger: just be glad that you are actually allowed access to lawyers, or not in jail without being able to talk to anyone including your attorney, or be falsley accused of being a terrorist, or have a security certificate placed on you, or .... |
| 04:55.46 | peterS | jair: in practice, you *may* be able to leave it as hdb and have it still work without hda plugged in. this is against the IDE spec but it often works |
| 04:55.48 | stranger | nvz because they will not let me even speak to my wife and kids |
| 04:56.09 | simonrvn | that fucking sucks |
| 04:56.16 | stranger | simonrvn, man what the hell...i have been in jail...and locked away in nuthouses many times |
| 04:56.17 | samuel | bob2, thanks, that did the trick! |
| 04:56.19 | RedPenguin | Is there a way to compress a huge list of files? I have a dir of like 864 files I would like to compress, but bash gives me argurment list too long |
| 04:56.22 | simonrvn | (to put it mildly) |
| 04:56.36 | jair | peterS, but I will need to plug the hda sometime I will need linux on this server |
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| 04:56.39 | bob2 | RedPenguin: xargs or a for loop |
| 04:56.43 | simonrvn | stranger: in relation to what's going on ? |
| 04:56.46 | bob2 | RedPenguin: e.g. for i in * ; do gzip -9 $i ; done |
| 04:56.57 | stranger | simonrvn, and also the police bastards tell all kinds of men to go in and fuck any girlfriend i get in front of me |
| 04:57.02 | peterS | jair: yes. but I advise not having it plugged in while installing windows xp. I don't know what it would do if you did, but I'm guessing it would get confused |
| 04:57.16 | stranger | simonrvn, i simply cannot get to the bottom of it |
| 04:57.17 | RedPenguin | Is gzip or bzip2 better to use to get the greatest compression possible? |
| 04:57.23 | simonrvn | stranger: seems like it's a planned thing. sure sounds like it. something to criminalise you for something you didn't do |
| 04:57.26 | RedPenguin | I hear bzip2 |
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| 04:57.39 | peterS | RedPenguin: bzip2 is greater compression but gzip is a whole lot faster and uses a whole lot less memory |
| 04:57.40 | jair | peterS, so the other option will be back up all the files and the start everything again |
| 04:57.46 | TML | RedPenguin: bzip2 compresses smaller in the general case |
| 04:57.54 | stranger | simonrvn, well i don't know where they got pictures or what that library FBI keeps talking about |
| 04:58.04 | scarynetworkguy | RedPenguin: What are you trying to compress? |
| 04:58.09 | stranger | simonrvn, nor do i know anything about some woman killed in Seabrook |
| 04:58.15 | simonrvn | stranger: all i was saying is that it happens to others too. i don't know the site that bigbill52a mentioned, but i have a feeling you m9ight want to follow up on it |
| 04:58.22 | jair | so normally is better install windows first then use linux after |
| 04:58.22 | stranger | simonrvn, i don't know what their fucking problem is. |
| 04:58.23 | TML | RedPenguin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bzip2 |
| 04:58.24 | bob2 | RedPenguin: bzip2, geenerally |
| 04:58.27 | peterS | RedPenguin: note that in many applications, like a live ssh stream, the speed of compressing / decompressing is a lot more important than the amount of compression |
| 04:58.36 | bob2 | RedPenguin: if you want the best compression of large files, rzip will beat them both |
| 04:58.40 | nvz | yeah or like bob2 said you are paranoid.. its like a reaction to what happened between you and your wife and kids, you just cant realize what actually happened, so you imagine things to pin it on |
| 04:58.41 | jair | petemc, will be easier to add the windows xp to the grub menu |
| 04:58.42 | fwiw39xx | question - has anybody here sucessfully run BASTILLE under debian? i'm getting errors |
| 04:58.43 | bob2 | but will use enormous amounts of memory |
| 04:58.45 | simonrvn | stranger: oh fbi involved? they're trying to hook you up as the fall guy. not the firdst time they've done this |
| 04:58.47 | RedPenguin | Never heard of rzip |
| 04:58.52 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: I wouldn't bother using it |
| 04:58.54 | peterS | jair: should be quite easy |
| 04:58.58 | bob2 | RedPenguin: it's in debian, and rzip.samba.org |
| 04:59.02 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - why not? debian is already hardened? |
| 04:59.13 | stranger | simonrvn, well fuck them all |
| 04:59.18 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: because you don't understand what it does, so it's not useful |
| 04:59.20 | peterS | jair: I forget the exact /boot/grub/menu.lst lines, but a working example is present and commented out |
| 04:59.21 | RedPenguin | I think I need to rename some of my files, they have & in them, and they are confusing bash |
| 04:59.22 | scarynetworkguy | fwiw39xx: No Debian is nor hardened. |
| 04:59.25 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - i want a firewall and port scan detection |
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| 04:59.37 | jair | ohh ok |
| 04:59.40 | jair | peterS, ok |
| 04:59.45 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: why? |
| 05:00.00 | simonrvn | stranger: agreed. let me tell you, if you haven't realised this already, it's gonna be very hard to get rid of this, unfortunately. they have a lot of money and temporal power |
| 05:00.16 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - because i'm on a network with lots of ...suspicious traffic |
| 05:00.18 | nvz | if you want to fuck em, you got to play their game. I know, I've been in politics all my life. I dont like it, but I deal with it and it has benefits. |
| 05:00.33 | simonrvn | they'll do anything, i mean anything, to get you to be the scapegoat |
| 05:00.43 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: so? |
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| 05:00.48 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: do you know what a firewall does? |
| 05:00.49 | peterS | jair: it will probably also be necessary to edit C:\BOOT.INI before xp will actually boot. you'll want to change disk(0) to disk(1). editing files on NTFS under Linux isn't particularly easy, unfortunately |
| 05:00.50 | fwiw39xx | nvz - this is not the channel for this. you need to get a copy of the DSM-V and a good psychiatrist. my diagnosis is paranoid delusions and disorder of affect. |
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| 05:00.54 | simonrvn | (sorry to be way OT folks) |
| 05:00.59 | scarynetworkguy | fwiw39xx: Is your Debian box a general purpose desktop? |
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| 05:01.08 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - firewall filters traffic in/out of the computer |
| 05:01.16 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: yes. why do YOU need one? |
| 05:01.16 | simonrvn | fwiw39xx: frankly i don't care what you think |
| 05:01.23 | stranger | simonrvn, well fuck them to hell...that is all i can say...they deserve it |
| 05:01.24 | nvz | fwiw39xx: I already told him this isnt the place for it. and I came to the same conclusion you did |
| 05:01.32 | fwiw39xx | scary - yes, gen purp desktop, but it is connected to a SKETCHY network |
| 05:01.38 | TML | stranger: You know we're monitoring, right? |
| 05:01.46 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: there's no need to block incoming traffic, and what outgoing traffic do you want to block? |
| 05:01.51 | stranger | TML, i don't even know who you are bud |
| 05:01.51 | RedPenguin | Well the for loop still work with files with spaces in them? Files with spaces in them seem to be messing up majorly in the for loop |
| 05:01.54 | peterS | !TML++ |
| 05:02.00 | bob2 | RedPenguin: depends on your shell |
| 05:02.11 | bob2 | stranger: anyway, this is off-topic, try #rants or something |
| 05:02.13 | TML | stranger: That's because you're not supposed to know yet. When the time comes, all will be made clear. |
| 05:02.20 | simonrvn | oh ffs |
| 05:02.30 | RedPenguin | I normally have no probelsm with spaces, but in the for loop, it seems to want to split the files into pieces in for i in * instead of using them as one |
| 05:02.40 | simonrvn | fricking naive... |
| 05:02.40 | scarynetworkguy | fwiw39xx: First of all learn how to do tab completion. Secondly ttrying to harden a desktop is pointless. If you are worried stickit behind a box that is meant to be a bastion host. And Bastille does *not* produce a bastion host. |
| 05:02.41 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - well, in my experience using windows...i had to have antivirus and firewall up to prevent getting bitten by viruses/worms/trojans |
| 05:02.54 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: yes, this is linux, it's not designed by crack-addled monkeys |
| 05:02.56 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - now i know linux doesn't have that much wild virii, but ... |
| 05:02.57 | peterS | RedPenguin: that's a difference between traditional shells and zsh, I think. that's what bob2 means by "it matters which shell" |
| 05:03.11 | RedPenguin | I see |
| 05:03.12 | peterS | virii is not a word |
| 05:03.15 | stranger | TML, well dude why don't they just spit it out....why play fucking games for 11 years |
| 05:03.15 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: don't run random crap from places outside debian, and you're extraordinarily unlikely to get a virus |
| 05:03.16 | jair | peterS, hmmm tht is if I install windows first then linux? |
| 05:03.17 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - wouldn't it be possible for a malicious person on my SKETCHY network to break into my linux box and trojan it? |
| 05:03.24 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: how? |
| 05:03.24 | simonrvn | it's 'viruses' |
| 05:03.30 | stranger | TML, fuck those bastards to hell man |
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| 05:03.40 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: this isn't windows, Debian doesn't randomly let strangers log on |
| 05:03.56 | jair | it is kind of hard decision |
| 05:03.57 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - exploiting code flaws, smashing stacks, buffer overflows and then spawning shell then injecting a trojan |
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| 05:04.08 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: you've been listening to steve gibson too much |
| 05:04.09 | jair | I do not really want to start everything again |
| 05:04.09 | peterS | jair: the problem here is the interactions between the bios, the Linux boot loader, and the Windows XP boot loader. and the XP installer, which has to know how to configure its boot loader |
| 05:04.13 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Yeah. Cause Linux boxes *never* get cracked. |
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| 05:04.23 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - isn't that what a firewall is supposed to prevent? it should prevent people from port scanning your box to find open ports to attack |
| 05:04.23 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: think about it...those are local attacks. how will someone get in to do that? |
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| 05:04.27 | simonrvn | fwiw39xx: not saying it isn't doable, but an up to date and well managed host is hard to crack |
| 05:04.38 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: yes, I know they do, but I'm sick of this windows "OMG I NEED A FIREWALL" disease |
| 05:04.38 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - i'm on a LAN with 400 hosts |
| 05:04.46 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: especially from people who have no idea what a firewall does |
| 05:04.48 | JeffH | Anyone here use dirvish to connect to a windows machine and back it up? I've installed cwRsync on my windows box but can't get dirvish to connect to it. |
| 05:05.50 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - a lot of the people on my LAN are students with lots of free time |
| 05:05.50 | peterS | fwiw39xx: what do you mean, prevent port scanning? |
| 05:05.50 | jair | peterS, right looks quite crazy |
| 05:05.50 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: you can't "prevent port scanning" |
| 05:05.50 | peterS | fwiw39xx: the ports that are open are open. the ones that have no servers are not open |
| 05:05.51 | simonrvn | weee |
| 05:05.51 | simonrvn | that was fun |
| 05:05.51 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: anyone who claimes they can is lying |
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| 05:06.23 | peterS | fwiw39xx: if you have no vulnerable servers running, you need no firewall. if you do have vulnerable servers running, you will poke holes in your firewall so that these servers work. then it does no good anyway. |
| 05:06.23 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: True. But OTOH underestimating threats is just as bad. Now granted fwiw39xx is wrong but I think dealing in absolutes either way is a bad thing. |
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| 05:06.24 | simonrvn | dpkgrx |
| 05:06.24 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: yeah, true |
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| 05:06.24 | other | bob2: well, there are evasive actions in response to port scan detection ... |
| 05:06.25 | bob2 | other: sure |
| 05:06.25 | bob2 | but that's not preventing it |
| 05:06.25 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Fair enough. :) |
| 05:06.25 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 05:06.25 | fwiw39xx | so...i'm just trying to be safe. safe sex. safe computing |
| 05:06.25 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.25 | godsmoke | bob2: agreed -- but to a layman -- your reposnse might have been misleading |
| 05:06.25 | bob2 | hmm |
| 05:06.25 | bob2 | good point |
| 05:06.27 | fwiw39xx | do you guys agree that firewall softwre is essential for windows computers? why is it not the case for *nix? |
| 05:06.31 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: ok, so what I mean is, running a firewall is not a panacea |
| 05:06.41 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - i know that ...anything is crackable |
| 05:06.45 | godsmoke | fwiw39xx: oh, it is absolutely essential for every desktop these days |
| 05:06.48 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: ok, so a firewall just blocks people from accesing ports they would otherwise be able to access |
| 05:06.49 | simonrvn | personal firewalls are a crock of shit |
| 05:06.51 | scarynetworkguy | fwiw39xx: Odds are a defulat Debian install on a Uni LAN is more than safe enough if you don't install anything clearly stupid. |
| 05:07.00 | fwiw39xx | i'm just trying to be extra careful/safe |
| 05:07.03 | bob2 | fwiw39xx: on linux, you just don't run accessible things, then there's no need to block access to them |
| 05:07.16 | chealer | running a firewall on windows isn't essential |
| 05:07.27 | scarynetworkguy | fwiw39xx: Soft or Personal firewalls are *all* pointless. And that's all Bastille is. |
| 05:07.27 | godsmoke | debian runs a few servers by default -- I'd turn them off -- but if I were a layman ... and wanting a quick fix ... I'd put a firewall up on the machine |
| 05:07.30 | asuffield | you need windows boxes to be behind a (real, boundary) firewall because they're incapable of functioning without having exploitable crap running |
| 05:07.39 | fwiw39xx | so what good are personal firewalls? making money for companies like symantec? |
| 05:07.44 | simonrvn | running windows behind a non-windows host on a lan is better |
| 05:07.45 | godsmoke | yep |
| 05:07.47 | stranger | i say fuck them to hell...if they have these so-called pictures which could easily misrepresent or even be fabricated....let me see them myself |
| 05:07.48 | simonrvn | fwiw39xx: exactly |
| 05:07.50 | godsmoke | fwiw39xx: exactly |
| 05:07.53 | XI-Phazor | i can name many cases in which a firewall has saved my ass |
| 05:07.53 | stranger | but they play fucking games |
| 05:07.56 | asuffield | fwiw39xx: well, for the zonealarm company, but yes |
| 05:07.59 | scarynetworkguy | fwiw39xx: Exactly. That and fucktards like Gibson. |
| 05:08.01 | newb_101 | my windows box uses zonealarm free |
| 05:08.14 | godsmoke | newb_101: good for you -- waste of time |
| 05:08.15 | asuffield | gibson is the only reason that 'personal firewalls' are vaguely popular |
| 05:08.16 | fwiw39xx | so gibson et al are exploiting people's FUD about computers to make $ and fame |
| 05:08.19 | asuffield | they don't do anything useful |
| 05:08.20 | peterS | fwiw39xx: well, and for running untrusted third-party closed-source code and often getting away with it |
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| 05:08.24 | simonrvn | fwiw39xx: yes |
| 05:08.29 | fwiw39xx | sigh |
| 05:08.33 | sussudio | why do i keep getting joined to fucking overflow |
| 05:08.35 | asuffield | fwiw39xx: no et al, it's basically just gibson. he gets paid by zonealarm to do it |
| 05:08.37 | douglas | sussudio in the HOUSE |
| 05:08.40 | godsmoke | when "firewall" became the new home technology buzzword -- every company had to make one to stay in the game |
| 05:08.41 | XI-Phazor | if they were not useful than why would every os in the world thats networkable have one avaliable |
| 05:08.44 | newb_101 | and microsoft gets praise for fixing there s%^t |
| 05:08.45 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: Because god hates you? |
| 05:08.47 | peterS | fwiw39xx: debian doesn't have the untrusted third party closed source code problem, because most of what you need is distributed directly by debian |
| 05:08.48 | godsmoke | now we see products like "hacker protector" |
| 05:08.59 | bob2 | I love it that MS is now selling anti-virus and anti-spyware tools |
| 05:09.00 | sussudio | god doesn't exist. there's only bunnies. |
| 05:09.00 | scarynetworkguy | :tube sussudio |
| 05:09.04 | newb_101 | lol |
| 05:09.06 | bob2 | to mop up the mess their idiot programmers created |
| 05:09.12 | godsmoke | bob2: no ... free anti-spyware |
| 05:09.15 | newb_101 | it works |
| 05:09.16 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: I thought it was badgers. |
| 05:09.21 | godsmoke | which is actually quite a good anti-spyware tool -- as they go |
| 05:09.26 | newb_101 | right |
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| 05:09.32 | godsmoke | they bought giant's product |
| 05:09.35 | XI-Phazor | NEVER have i had spyware/adware/virus on a *nix system |
| 05:09.36 | Poor_Tyson | someone have the maya source.lst ?? |
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| 05:09.39 | godsmoke | and made it "microsoft anti-spyware" |
| 05:09.42 | newb_101 | my school computer has a few thousand spyware |
| 05:09.45 | scarynetworkguy | godsmoke: No it sucks. |
| 05:09.53 | bob2 | Poor_Tyson: Maya the animation tool? |
| 05:09.55 | nunez | is there a script that will convert E menus to fluxbox? |
| 05:10.00 | godsmoke | scarynetworkguy: no, actually, it's far better than ad-aware or any of that other shit |
| 05:10.08 | godsmoke | scarynetworkguy: giant was actually a GREAT company/product |
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| 05:10.18 | asuffield | viruses don't really work on unix. you get a handful of worms though |
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| 05:10.19 | Poor_Tyson | bob2 , it 's a 3d tool , like 3ds max |
| 05:10.36 | XI-Phazor | windows pre-ships with spyware so why should you trust them on a anti-spyware solution |
| 05:10.39 | bob2 | Poor_Tyson: I'm pretty sure you need to pay for it |
| 05:10.45 | mythtv | ive got a usb mouse, what /dev device would it be |
| 05:10.46 | godsmoke | XI-Phazor: because they didn't make it ... |
| 05:10.49 | scarynetworkguy | godsmoke: No. They *all* suck. |
| 05:10.50 | newb_101 | where do i cange the max resolution for X |
| 05:10.52 | godsmoke | XI-Phazor: it was made by "giant" |
| 05:10.56 | bob2 | mythtv: /dev//input/mice |
| 05:11.01 | bob2 | newb_101: in the X config file |
| 05:11.07 | simonrvn | you'd have to run linux like lindows used to run as - everything as root - to get viruss |
| 05:11.08 | bob2 | newb_101: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:11.10 | simonrvn | viruses* |
| 05:11.12 | newb_101 | thankx |
| 05:11.13 | Poor_Tyson | bob2, I rember maya(linux Version) is free |
| 05:11.19 | XI-Phazor | and re-coded by ms before a beta release |
| 05:11.19 | mythtv | bob2: i'm trying to configure X, is there a way for it to try and autoconfigure |
| 05:11.24 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: Not entirely true. |
| 05:11.32 | scarynetworkguy | But close enough for most cases. |
| 05:11.36 | nvz | stranger: man, I don't know what got you started tonight, but you really can't rant about it here. Sorry. We just arent able to help, and this channel is too large as I said before to handle such heated off-topic rants |
| 05:11.40 | gullyfoyle | hrm, i'm doing the nvidia driver thing and i apt-get installed the kernel-sources but the nvidia installer still says it cant find the kernel source tree |
| 05:11.55 | bob2 | Poor_Tyson: it's certainly not in Debian |
| 05:11.59 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: to have them spread like dos or win32 viruses do, is what i meant |
| 05:11.59 | bob2 | Poor_Tyson: talk to the company that made it |
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| 05:12.07 | bob2 | Poor_Tyson: I'd be very surprised if that was true, tho |
| 05:12.17 | bob2 | gullyfoyle: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 05:12.22 | bob2 | gullyfoyle: you don't need kernel sources at all |
| 05:12.27 | bob2 | mythtv: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 05:12.36 | mythtv | bob2: roger that |
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| 05:12.45 | Poor_Tyson | bob2, i jut check how fast maya runs compared in Windows |
| 05:12.57 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: I can think of a few ways to have it be possible without running stuff as root. But granted they would all fall into the realm of "research" type stuff and for all practical purposes you are right. |
| 05:13.15 | mythtv | bob2: im using irssi (and i don't really know how it works) could you show me the output of /msg dpkg setup x. |
| 05:13.27 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: yeh. i just can't think of them right now ;). but it is possible as you say |
| 05:13.36 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: I'm in one of those moods where I've been thinking far too deeply about this stuff for far too long. In the very recent past. :) |
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| 05:13.49 | bob2 | mythtv: ? you type that into your irc client, and dpkg (a bot) will tell you what to do |
| 05:13.51 | simonrvn | hehe. i know the feeling |
| 05:13.55 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: Yeah. But not really practical. |
| 05:14.00 | mythtv | bob2: i do and nothing comes up |
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| 05:14.06 | bob2 | !+setup x |
| 05:14.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 05:14.08 | bob2 | mythtv: ^^ |
| 05:14.14 | mythtv | bob2: thanks |
| 05:15.15 | gullyfoyle | hrm, uh, okay |
| 05:15.20 | gullyfoyle | thanks |
| 05:15.35 | stranger | and one more thing...the bastards that stole and impregnated my wife and then stole and misled my daughter should say i am dangerous because i will kill that motherfucker if i ever get the chance....or at least seriously debilitiate him |
| 05:15.40 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: from what i read, it isn't; be rather hard just because of various factors. plus just the simple fact that the filesystem and user space models are very different to apply the dos/win32 models of virus spread to translate very well |
| 05:15.41 | nvz | mythtv: in irssi above your text box, where you type, is a statusbar. when the bot /msg's you you will get an activity indicator, and you have to switch to that window number Alt+3 or /win 3 or ESC+3 for example would change windows |
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| 05:16.10 | stranger | and the god-damn sherrifs are protecting those bastards |
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| 05:16.32 | Poor_Tyson | bob2: do you think 3ds max runs faster in Windows XP than in Debian ? |
| 05:16.36 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: Yeah. All very true. All the stuff I'm thinking of can be done far easier and quicker other ways. But it's kind of fun to dream up really odd attacks. |
| 05:16.49 | bob2 | Poor_Tyson: I have no idea |
| 05:16.50 | simonrvn | heh :) |
| 05:17.15 | samuel | why would i need procmail on my system if i have exim? |
| 05:17.16 | stranger | and they are nothing but the worst kind of criminals....that steal and impregnate your wife....then put you down for being dangerous...and then go around masquerading as some Holier than Thou Preacher |
| 05:17.42 | caphuso | stranger: do you have anything to contribute that's actually on topic? |
| 05:17.47 | stranger | and the god damned government supports this shit |
| 05:17.53 | scarynetworkguy | samuel: You don't and Debian shouldn't let you. If you have something is borken. |
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| 05:18.06 | nvz | caphuso: not in the past hour, though he is capable |
| 05:18.10 | scarynetworkguy | samuel: Although if I were you I'd go to Procmail anyway. |
| 05:18.14 | samuel | scarynetworkguy, i see.... |
| 05:18.15 | nvz | caphuso: I think his litium just wore off |
| 05:18.41 | caphuso | nvz: or his crack kicked in |
| 05:18.51 | nvz | heh |
| 05:19.00 | caphuso | or both? that'd be cute to watch... |
| 05:19.01 | scarynetworkguy | samuel: So do you think you have both installed? |
| 05:19.09 | Poor_Tyson | bob2, i wanna know whick OS run faster (Debian VS XP ) |
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| 05:19.44 | samuel | scarynetworkguy, so im correct in thinking they do basically the same thing? |
| 05:19.46 | simonrvn | debian, hands down. even not counting the spyware ;) |
| 05:19.52 | nvz | well, real or imagined, problems like this are a shame. All you can to is have faith and well shut the fuck up and stay on topic.. ;) |
| 05:20.11 | bob2 | Poor_Tyson: neither |
| 05:20.17 | bob2 | Poor_Tyson: that's a stupid question |
| 05:20.23 | bob2 | Poor_Tyson: it depends on what you're doing |
| 05:20.26 | Poor_Tyson | bob2 , hehe |
| 05:20.27 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 05:20.50 | Poor_Tyson | bob2 , I want to run 3d tool , |
| 05:20.52 | deadcat | last week gnome2.10 got into unstable, shouldnt kde3.4 or xorg get in this week? (= |
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| 05:21.32 | scarynetworkguy | samuel: No I'm a idiot and tired. |
| 05:21.41 | scarynetworkguy | samuel: For some reason I read postfix. |
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| 05:22.19 | samuel | scarynetworkguy, procmail is mail processing AFTER exim delivered? |
| 05:22.25 | scarynetworkguy | samuel: No they don't do the same thing and yes having both is a good thing. Google on it and read. |
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| 05:22.44 | samuel | scarynetworkguy, thanks |
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| 05:22.55 | gullyfoyle | hey i got nvidia driver working, yay |
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| 05:23.37 | nvz | heh |
| 05:23.56 | batgirl | hai |
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| 05:24.10 | nvz | what a dipshit. came here just to tell us he got the simplest to install piece of code ever contributed to the kernel working |
| 05:24.22 | bob2 | eh? |
| 05:24.28 | deadcat | what am i suppose to do after installing icecast2 and starting the daemon? |
| 05:24.28 | fwiw39xx | question - you guys are going to laugh at me...but when i try to login to my debian box it says "sysadmin has disable access to system temporarily"...and i set bastille to prevent primary logins as root...how do i reenable system access?? omg i'm so stupid :( :D |
| 05:24.29 | bob2 | he/she was asking for help before |
| 05:24.35 | bob2 | and returned to tell us it finally worked |
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| 05:25.04 | scarynetworkguy | samuel: Look at the stuff on dotfiles.com to get a idea of the kind of fun you can have with procmail. For example I use it and spamassassian to make sure i never see any span. |
| 05:25.06 | qwertz_ | Is "nmap -sP 192.168.0-254.0-254" the right way to scan for any hosts in 192.168.0.0 network? |
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| 05:25.37 | bob2 | nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 05:25.48 | EvilSporkMan | why is it that normal jstest works fine, but running /var/chroot/sid-ia32/usr/bin/jstest results in my xbox pad's driver not being detected |
| 05:26.06 | bob2 | EvilSporkMan: this sounds like you're using xebian |
| 05:26.13 | nvz | oh I see. well at least s/he wouldn't leave us on the edge of our chairs |
| 05:26.21 | nvz | not that I would sit up and wait |
| 05:26.21 | EvilSporkMan | bob2: nope, debian-amd64 |
| 05:26.47 | bob2 | maybe the version in the chroot has problems talking to the 64-bit kernel |
| 05:26.50 | bob2 | I'd try #debian-amd64 |
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| 05:27.06 | qwertz_ | bob2, 24 not 16 ? |
| 05:27.25 | bob2 | I don't know what you're trying to do |
| 05:27.27 | bob2 | but I guess so |
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| 05:27.59 | JeffH | has anyone here setup dirvish to backup a windows based PC? I can't seem to get it to work. |
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| 05:29.48 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: I just hate it when I get spanned :P |
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| 05:30.37 | fwiw39xx | question - what is the default number of incorrect logins until debian requires root intervention? |
| 05:30.38 | fwiw39xx | 3? |
| 05:30.41 | samuel | scarynetworkguy, thanks for that link... its quite interesting |
| 05:31.16 | nvz | fwiw39xx: after 60seconds or 3 tries, it just restarts. it never locks up and requires intervention |
| 05:31.31 | nvz | its not setup to do that by default |
| 05:31.43 | bob2 | who knows what bastille did, tho |
| 05:31.47 | cahoot | fwiw39xx: /etc/login.defs |
| 05:31.48 | nvz | yep |
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| 05:32.01 | nvz | I am having moderatly shitty network connection tonight |
| 05:32.25 | bob2 | the worst part of bastille is that it's hard to undo |
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| 05:32.33 | JeffH | Anyone here use rsync to backup a windows based pc? I'd like to hear what your setup is if you do. |
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| 05:33.13 | nvz | I was nearly as paranoid as stranger earlier.. about my network status.. I thought someone had got into my insecure WAP, but after I regained control of the network I could see that wasnt happening, well they could have been spoofing someones mac, but I didnt look that hard |
| 05:33.46 | peterS | nvz: I dunno, it takes some effort to be as paranoid as stranger |
| 05:34.00 | fwiw39xx | bob2 - sigh, i want to get bastille all setup before i starting do fun stuff with debian |
| 05:34.06 | fwiw39xx | but now i can't get into debian lol |
| 05:34.08 | nvz | I need to setup some kind of WEP or something. I just dont use wireless, and eveyone else is well "simple" to put it nicely and I don't want to have to fix their windows crap all the time if there is a problem with the WEP |
| 05:34.43 | nvz | but I _really_ don't like having an insecure WAP on my network |
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| 05:35.25 | fwiw39xx | cahoot - so is tehre something i need to modify in /etc/login.defs to enable myself to login to debain again? i'm in recovery mode right now...so i have a shell running |
| 05:35.33 | nvz | that is like an open door into my lan, if you are anywhere near the house. |
| 05:36.14 | nvz | and I turned a few of my services back on to share with my family, despite knowing the network is public |
| 05:37.36 | cahoot | fwiw39xx: reading the file might be of some use though |
| 05:37.50 | fwiw39xx | i read it |
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| 05:38.29 | nvz | I don't really know about WEP or Windows, but afaik most I would have to do is locate their Connectivity tool on each pc and put in a key |
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| 05:41.06 | nvz | you are freaking me out. I am over here talking to myself, and the lights are acting up.. its like I fell into the twilight zone |
| 05:41.16 | ec | lol |
| 05:41.16 | stranger | petemc, man this is not about paranoid bud...it never was....this is real shit...and this goddamned government has something in their head about some library or some woman or something man |
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| 05:41.51 | maggo | there some way that i dont have to configurate my ethernet card each time that start my computer? i have ADSL internet |
| 05:42.01 | nvz | the electricity has been strange around here lately.. not just at my house either.. I was at my frinds last night across the street we were partying on top of his garage, and the lights would get dim for a second ever once in awhile. |
| 05:42.07 | dondelelcaro | maggo: edit /etc/network/interfaces (man 5 interfaces for details) |
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| 05:42.49 | deadcat | i cant seem to get icecast2 to do anything. )= |
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| 05:44.31 | nvz | damn, I got lucky there.. I just stepped on a tack on the way back down the steps from the WC and I went back over to the steps to see what it was I stepped on, and it was a tack laying on its side.. would have sucked if it was pointing up |
| 05:44.55 | sussudio | not as much as stepping into a dram chip |
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| 05:45.06 | nvz | or if my lazy ass had sat down like I was going to, and stepping on it again later |
| 05:45.30 | deadcat | how do i share via icecast2? |
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| 05:47.02 | nvz | I havent found any real use for it yet, but these plugins for firefox Platypus + Greasemonkey, seems like a pretty cool idea. |
| 05:47.32 | nvz | you can edit pages with platypus and save them as greasemonkey scripts, then when you visit the site, it looks the way you want it to. |
| 05:48.52 | nvz | the extensions could use some work, but they are functional enough to see how it could be useful for a site you visit often that is poorly designed |
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| 05:50.40 | nvz | well hey, guess what.. if nobody else is going to talk, I will just go do something else... heh I am not going to sit here and try to think of things to say to myself. :P |
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| 05:50.50 | peterS | hello, nvz |
| 05:51.05 | nvz | hello (: |
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| 05:51.46 | coywolf | !Security |
| 05:51.47 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 05:52.05 | fwiw39xx | a-ha! /var/log/Bastille/revert/revert-actions ...ok i can get back into debian |
| 05:52.06 | fwiw39xx | sigh |
| 05:52.51 | TwistedEmotions | Weeee ;) Bought a 21'' monitor... |
| 05:53.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you there? |
| 05:53.22 | coywolf | !testing security |
| 05:53.32 | nvz | well I got one spider around here thats on the same page as me.. I am not going to suck his ass up in the shopvac.. got his web right in the corner of the doorway blocking the sides around my windmachine I use for vent. so he keeps his ass outside, and makes sure no other insects come in around the fan |
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| 05:53.48 | coywolf | dpkg hello |
| 05:53.48 | dpkg | Hi, coywolf! |
| 05:54.11 | TwistedEmotions | How do you go through the different resolutions again? |
| 05:54.14 | nvz | coywolf: there is no security updates for testing |
| 05:54.25 | john | i think it's ctrl+alt++ |
| 05:54.26 | john | or |
| 05:54.27 | nvz | coywolf: it recieves regular updates, so it doesnt need them. |
| 05:54.28 | john | i think it's ctrl+alt+- |
| 05:54.38 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
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| 05:54.43 | john | i THINK. |
| 05:54.47 | nvz | security updates are for frozen distros |
| 05:54.50 | ethics | anyone familiar with a IDE cdrom not showing up in debian kernels for no apparent reason? i have a working kernel and 2 broken debian kernels which i dont seem to be able to debug.. |
| 05:55.02 | [bathat] | i was banned from this channel and i'm not sure why... |
| 05:55.02 | supaman | ctrl-alt-+ goes up the resolution, ctrl-alt-- goes down |
| 05:55.03 | coywolf | nvz, how is unstable security |
| 05:55.05 | ethics | i have lsmods etc to paste if someone has clues.. |
| 05:55.17 | john | wow i was right then |
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| 05:55.32 | dabreegster | [bathat]: lots of flooding/pasting to the channel? |
| 05:55.44 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... all my resolutions suck.. grrr have to do reconfig |
| 05:56.00 | [bathat] | dabreegster: i wonder what was causing that... |
| 05:56.36 | TwistedEmotions | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x86free? |
| 05:56.36 | nvz | coywolf: packages enter debian through experimental or unstable and travel into testing if they have no bugs filled against them. since unstable and testing can both recieve updates, they don't need security.debian.org, thats for stable which is frozen and cannot otherwise recieve updates |
| 05:56.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: 21" lcd? |
| 05:57.02 | dabreegster | [bathat]: where you pasting a lot of large messages to the channel directly frequently? |
| 05:57.03 | TwistedEmotions | CRT |
| 05:57.09 | ethics | HELP ME!!! how does I run teh IDE-CD lol |
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| 05:57.36 | rata_away | i have debian sarge installed, if i upgrade to testing, can i 'downgrade' to stable then ? how ? |
| 05:57.36 | httpdss | before i start asking stupid questions in here .. where can i find a JDBC related channel/server ? |
| 05:57.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what the f you get a CRT monitor man.? |
| 05:57.54 | caphuso | rata_away: you're already using stable |
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| 05:58.06 | ethics | rata_away, no downgrades...may work as its close atm but id be expecting reinstall.. |
| 05:58.07 | deadcat | icecast2 is making me crazy.. dammit. |
| 05:58.12 | peterS | rata_away: downgrading is not supported and never has been. it can be hacked in many cases but there do exist packages that will fail when you try to downgrade them |
| 05:58.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: damn straight... 21'' cost me 100$... if I had bought LCD would have cost me like 400 and one testicle man.. |
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| 05:58.45 | rata_away | Ether_Man, pepperpot : thanks :) |
| 05:58.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. lcd is cheap now. CRT are only good for working out. |
| 05:59.01 | nvz | rata_away: Debian doesnt support downgrades, its too much like work, since the system has a strict package management system. |
| 05:59.11 | ethics | so if i build in support for somethign in the kernel is there a way to find out what it was?.. |
| 05:59.38 | ethics | i have a kernel with cdroms working and 2 broken ones from debian im trying to fix...they used to work i broke something somehow |
| 05:59.39 | jim | ethics: config file? |
| 05:59.41 | AllKind | .inf the .config file |
| 05:59.47 | AllKind | in the |
| 05:59.53 | rata_away | nvz, lot of thanks |
| 05:59.57 | nvz | right now it may not be so bad, because chances are they would both still have same gcc versions and other things |
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| 06:00.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: funnyyou say that... fucking weighs like 70 pounds? |
| 06:00.18 | nvz | still wouldnt be any fun |
| 06:00.35 | ethics | jim: while running?...i compared lsmods between them but it seems my cdrom/ide support is built in on my hack a kernel that boots with a driver |
| 06:00.57 | rata_away | nvz, and it is testing stable as usual ? or it is almos like sid ? |
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| 06:01.29 | yoo | Hi everybody ! |
| 06:01.35 | TwistedEmotions | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x86free |
| 06:01.38 | TwistedEmotions | wtf.... |
| 06:01.44 | TwistedEmotions | what is wrong with that? |
| 06:01.57 | bucky | TwistedEmotions, it may cost you a testicle if you get an Inguinal Hernia from lifting it |
| 06:02.07 | rata_away | TwistedEmotions, xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 06:02.08 | ethics | jim: originally it worked but i made my own kernel to test something and when i switched back to my normal debian ones my cds stopped appearing in /dev...now i downt seem to be able to get them working in deb kernels at all..multiples |
| 06:02.18 | TwistedEmotions | bucky: it's healthy... |
| 06:02.31 | TwistedEmotions | rata_away: damn im dumb... thanks |
| 06:02.34 | bucky | TwistedEmotions, how's Sid going? |
| 06:03.10 | deadcat | help me with icecast2, i dont know what to do to get anything stream |
| 06:03.12 | TwistedEmotions | bucky: no problems... like 2 weeks.. and it's fine. |
| 06:03.38 | nvz | rata_away: right now Sarge, Testing and Sid are all pretty much the same because sarge just released, and sid was locked in the closet, then we cloned him and called it etch and let him back out.. he couldnt have broke much more than is broken elsewhere yet |
| 06:04.01 | bucky | deadcat, isn't that what they use in #freematrix ? |
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| 06:04.23 | bucky | deadcat, have you ever listened to freenode's stream? |
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| 06:04.36 | rata_away | nvz, tanks for the information :) |
| 06:05.13 | deadcat | bucky: no. i just want to stream the shania twain song (= |
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| 06:05.58 | dob1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.19 | bucky | deadcat, just a suggestion.. the #freematrix guy prolly know.. they're pretty helpful |
| 06:06.25 | deadcat | k |
| 06:06.26 | deadcat | thanks |
| 06:06.52 | dob1 | the fwanalog script is only "test -x /usr/lib/fwanalog/cron && /usr/lib/fwanalog/cron 2> /dev/null" |
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| 06:08.09 | caphuso | dob1: is it missing the #!/bin/sh line? |
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| 06:09.10 | ethics | this is shitting me...stupid cdroms... |
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| 06:09.53 | [Elad] | hello all |
| 06:10.03 | stranger | as far as schizophrenic, dangerous, criminal...you bet man i am....but paranoid...no man that is just the capitalist pigs and their cheapass capitalist pig psychologists trying to silence a professor |
| 06:10.09 | ethics | how do i get a list of what driver my ide-cdroms are using if they are kernel driven?... |
| 06:10.15 | dob1 | caphuso: yes thanks |
| 06:10.23 | peterS | ethics: /proc/ide/hd*/driver |
| 06:10.29 | [Elad] | I have problem with the apt-get... I was trying to install gnome, and that's what I get: |
| 06:10.31 | [Elad] | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 06:10.31 | [Elad] | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.31 | [Elad] | E: Broken packages |
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| 06:10.38 | peterS | ethics: that's for whether they're using ide-cd or ide-scsi |
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| 06:10.46 | [Elad] | opss |
| 06:10.48 | [Elad] | sorry |
| 06:10.49 | peterS | ethics: if you mean what hardware driver for the IDE controller, that'll be /proc/ide/* |
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| 06:11.08 | ethics | peterS im pretty sure i have them all correct but ill double check...thks |
| 06:11.13 | ethics | brb in dud kernel |
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| 06:11.28 | AllKind | Elad: membe apt-get install --fix-missing |
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| 06:11.50 | [Elad] | AllKind, thanks. I will try it |
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| 06:11.55 | AllKind | or start aptitude and press 'b' |
| 06:11.55 | dondelelcaro | stranger: get some help, please. |
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| 06:12.26 | [Elad] | norox, it's not work... |
| 06:12.34 | [Elad] | *allkind |
| 06:12.56 | AllKind | well we did not see the whole message... |
| 06:13.04 | [bathat] | i know this isn't the right channel necessarily to be asking this but... |
| 06:13.16 | caphuso | [bathat]: then don't |
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| 06:13.26 | Ugly_Duck | ok, i have a serial infa red dongal how do i find outwhat model it is though my system? |
| 06:13.31 | [bathat] | has anyone upgraded from say, 256mb memory to 512mb, and if so, was the performance boost large? |
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| 06:13.42 | Ugly_Duck | can i probe some thing to find out? |
| 06:13.51 | [bathat] | i really wasn't aware of the large messages being sent by me |
| 06:13.54 | [Elad] | http://rafb.net/paste/results/IR9ntt18.html |
| 06:14.19 | dondelelcaro | [bathat]: it's totally dependent on what you're doing, and whether what you're doing could benifit from more memory. |
| 06:14.22 | caphuso | [Elad]: gnome in sid is broken. bad news. wait a few days and it should magically fix itself |
| 06:14.30 | pipeline | Gnome isn't /that/ broken in Sid. |
| 06:14.35 | pipeline | The packages work, they're just broken. |
| 06:14.37 | pipeline | Dependency issues |
| 06:14.45 | [bathat] | dondelelcaro: mainly just firefox and amule |
| 06:14.50 | [bathat] | most frequently |
| 06:15.09 | coywolf | firefox crashes |
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| 06:15.12 | [Elad] | caphuso, I will, thanks all :) |
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| 06:15.39 | pipeline | Hmm |
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| 06:17.36 | deadcat | can someone try sshonly.sytes.net:8000/hello.m3u |
| 06:17.43 | dondelelcaro | [bathat]: yeah, it really depends. if you find yourself hitting swap, definetly. If not, maybe, but probably not that big of a change. |
| 06:17.50 | [bathat] | dondelelcaro: is it a safe bet you think that if my memory is nearly depleted, adding a significant amount of additional memory will have a fairly dramatic boost? |
| 06:17.55 | [bathat] | yes, i'm hitting swap |
| 06:18.09 | [bathat] | Swap: 626492k total, 121356k used, |
| 06:18.20 | dondelelcaro | [bathat]: not just using swap, but hitting it hard... |
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| 06:19.00 | [bathat] | what's a typical size for swap again? |
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| 06:19.28 | dondelelcaro | [bathat]: 2x memory... typically. |
| 06:19.30 | AllKind | ram x 1,5 | 2,5? |
| 06:19.33 | [bathat] | ah |
| 06:19.36 | [bathat] | that's right |
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| 06:19.48 | dondelelcaro | [bathat]: but again, it's really dependent on what you're doing. |
| 06:19.50 | pipeline | [bathat]: There's no such thing as too much swap :P |
| 06:19.53 | [bathat] | i'm assuming 121 / 600 is not hitting it hard |
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| 06:20.18 | [bathat] | pipeline: wow |
| 06:20.23 | Fac51 | crap! |
| 06:20.24 | sep | deadcat: connection refused |
| 06:20.24 | dondelelcaro | [bathat]: no, it's more a question of whether or not you're actually seeing lots of swapping in and out... |
| 06:20.33 | Fac51 | hey evreyone... |
| 06:20.36 | [bathat] | oh ok |
| 06:20.42 | Fac51 | i'm new to debian, if anyone cares |
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| 06:20.54 | [bathat] | no, it's static |
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| 06:21.17 | deadcat | sep: its only working localhost )= |
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| 06:21.28 | [bathat] | my processor is a celeron A 733mhz |
| 06:21.34 | sep | deadcat: well should it be working ? :) |
| 06:21.34 | [bathat] | this doesn't help at all |
| 06:21.41 | deadcat | sep: localhost yest |
| 06:22.02 | [bathat] | so i guess it's probably not worth it |
| 06:22.17 | pipeline | [bathat]: Swap is something you only use when something is wrong. If you run out of memory, the kernel will start using swap instead. If you run out of swap AND run out of memory, the kernel will start killing processes. |
| 06:22.41 | [bathat] | pipeline: the more you know... ding... thanks |
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| 06:23.21 | sep | pipeline no swap is used aggressivly in linux, ie it swaps out things from memory, just in case, also too free up more memmory for cache speeding up disc acess |
| 06:23.45 | [bathat] | sep: that isn't the case here though |
| 06:23.48 | adler | hi. There's some strange things going on in my Debian. For some reason I cannot type anything in the consoles (ctrl+alt+f1-f6) :S I hate reboots =/ |
| 06:23.55 | [bathat] | maybe if i were to close some applications though |
| 06:24.08 | pipeline | sep: Linux is much less aggressive with swap usage than Solaris or Windows NT. I don't know of a system that's less aggressive than linux, actually. |
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| 06:24.56 | ecobit | is there a trick to enable md5 passwords on sarge? |
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| 06:25.42 | peterS | ecobit: dpkg-reconfigure passwd |
| 06:25.42 | deadcat | sep: can you try again? |
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| 06:25.43 | peterS | ecobit: I think. it won't convert your existing passwords to md5. it can't. but next time you create users or change your password, it will be |
| 06:25.43 | ecobit | peterS: did that. and it only asks if i want shadow |
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| 06:26.36 | ecobit | i did dpkg-reconfig -plow passwd |
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| 06:26.40 | peterS | ecobit: oh, hmmm. it used to be in there. you can edit /etc/pam.d/common-password and add " md5" to the end of the uncommented line |
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| 06:26.56 | simonrvn | i'd add shadow too |
| 06:27.04 | peterS | ecobit: that is, the pam_unix.so line |
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| 06:27.28 | deadcat | sep: ? working? |
| 06:27.46 | Azar | I have not enforced the md5 just shadow |
| 06:28.02 | sep | deadcat: connection refused |
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| 06:28.03 | jimmy | testä¸æ–‡ |
| 06:29.03 | Azar | this channel just reminds me of the M.I.B. headquarters |
| 06:29.31 | maggo | i am update debian with apt-get, and show me: Bonobo-WARNING **: Error: Cannot get type code: property not found |
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| 06:29.53 | AllKind | still stuck with my console framebuffer: vga card ATI 3D rage pro 128. driver module should be aty128fb. I modprobe the module, and then run fdset: open /dev/fb0: no such device. but device shows up in /dev. what's wrong, what am i missing? |
| 06:30.11 | deadcat | sep: last time (= |
| 06:30.55 | maggo | somebody tell me why? |
| 06:31.04 | simonrvn | AllKind: if that's a ppc box, i'd build that module in, instead of loose |
| 06:31.17 | simonrvn | then set append= appropriately |
| 06:31.22 | Azar | AllKind only dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 can open you the chance to pick your right card |
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| 06:31.45 | AllKind | so i need xserver installed? |
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| 06:31.52 | Azar | oh yes |
| 06:32.03 | AllKind | thought framebuffer would avoid that. |
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| 06:32.37 | Azar | sorry |
| 06:32.43 | deadcat | soneone try xmms|mplayer|xine http://sshonly.sytes.net:8000/hello.m3u |
| 06:32.48 | AllKind | what debian packages i need? xserver-common,..? |
| 06:32.57 | Azar | I busted in without knowing what you need just an opinion |
| 06:32.57 | bob2 | AllKind: install x-window-system-core |
| 06:33.12 | sep | deadcat: connected but nothing streaming |
| 06:33.24 | deadcat | sep: shit i dont know how to config this shit. )= |
| 06:33.36 | sep | deadcat: im using mplayer btw |
| 06:33.47 | AllKind | bob2: ok, will do right now. |
| 06:33.57 | sep | deadcat: saies, "no media opened" |
| 06:34.01 | deadcat | sep: ya. but i cant figure out how to stream it. |
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| 06:34.23 | simonrvn | deadcat: yup. same here. xxms is clueless |
| 06:34.26 | simonrvn | xmms* |
| 06:34.48 | deadcat | simonrvn: i dont understand how to share. )=. not the players fault |
| 06:34.53 | pkhuong- | is there any easy way to remove all of gnome and kde (except gdm)? |
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| 06:35.18 | valdyn | pkhuong-: /msg dpkg remove kde , /msg dpkg remove gnome |
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| 06:35.29 | PeapTLS | Hi, I tried using Kismet to discover a certain SSID from a network nearby. After a couple of hours of failure, I decided to analyze the packets myself. I realized that one of the clients (1.103) was frequently re-authenticating by probing "linksys". The AP he was communicating to was a Cisco (by the MAC). Why does Kismet fail to retrieve the SSID? Or is it not the right one? Thanks. |
| 06:35.32 | pkhuong | valdyn: thanks |
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| 06:37.40 | deadcat | fuck. i give up on icecast2.. dammit. so pissed. |
| 06:38.00 | fwiw39xx | question - has anyone running sarge stable been able to run BASTILLE successfully to harden they system? i'm getting errors... "coultn' modify hard drive's grub.conf" et |
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| 06:38.05 | dbeal | wondering if there's a mod_forensic package for apache2? |
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| 06:38.46 | sep | deadcat http://www.otheos.com/articles/icecast2_mp3.htm ? |
| 06:39.09 | ecobit | after i add md5 to the pam_unix.so line, only newly created passwords with use md5, or only newly created users? |
| 06:39.29 | ecobit | s/with/will |
| 06:39.33 | peterS | ecobit: newly created passwords |
| 06:39.45 | peterS | ecobit: i.e., new users, or any time you run 'passwd' or 'chpasswd' to change yours |
| 06:39.52 | mrfrenzy | ecobit: no, passwd magically decrypts your old password and reencrypt them to md5 |
| 06:40.12 | peterS | mrfrenzy: conceivably login/xdm/sshd could do that (: |
| 06:40.18 | peterS | mrfrenzy: since they have access to plain text |
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| 06:40.52 | peterS | they don't, of course, because of how the technical design of pam works, but they *could* |
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| 06:41.06 | mrfrenzy | peterS: provided someone logs in to each account, and login have write access to the passdb which I doubt |
| 06:41.13 | PeapTLS | Hi, I tried using Kismet to discover a certain SSID from a network nearby. After a couple of hours of failure, I decided to analyze the packets myself. I realized that one of the clients (1.103) was frequently re-authenticating by probing "linksys". The AP he was communicating to was a Cisco (by the MAC). Why does Kismet fail to retrieve the SSID? Or is it not the right one? Thanks. |
| 06:41.32 | peterS | mrfrenzy: login is running as root. it's got the same access as passwd does |
| 06:41.42 | ecobit | PeapTLS: did you try airsnort? |
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| 06:41.53 | hxizan | a |
| 06:42.23 | PeapTLS | ecobit, to acquire the SSID??? It is an unecrypted network |
| 06:42.26 | mrfrenzy | okay peter, still everyone would need to login |
| 06:42.38 | ecobit | so with md5 passwords if someone nulls out the passwd entry in passwd then they can't log in? |
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| 06:43.07 | ecobit | PeapTLS: acquiring SIDs is usually a trivial matter, AFAIK |
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| 06:43.33 | ecobit | PeapTLS: you can pick them up from all the APs around you, even weak ones which you probably can't associate with |
| 06:43.52 | ecobit | last place i lived i used to pick up at least 30 |
| 06:44.31 | PeapTLS | ecobit, so you're talking about networks that don't broadcast ssid's right? |
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| 06:46.47 | ecobit | PeapTLS: i don't know what you mean. a network is a network. it doesn't "broadcast" |
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| 06:47.50 | ecobit | an AP can broadcast |
| 06:47.57 | PeapTLS | ecobit doesn't it broadcast the SSID or blank ssid |
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| 06:48.04 | PeapTLS | sorry I meant the ap |
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| 06:48.17 | ecobit | every AP has an station id that you can easily pickup |
| 06:48.37 | maggo | exit |
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| 06:48.48 | bisquit | Good morning! And eeps. First reboot since the succesfull installation of AGP-card & mouse & XFree86 & KDE . . . and now it starts up at start up! And I don't want it to! The text-only login is what I want, and then to startx manually if and when needed. |
| 06:48.48 | ecobit | actually every wireless device has an id. for an AP it is a station ID |
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| 06:50.26 | ecobit | bisquit: grep default /etc/inittab turn off *dm in that runlevel |
| 06:50.29 | PeapTLS | ecobit how would i pick up the essid of an ap that doesnt' broadcast its own? |
| 06:50.52 | bisquit | ecobit, thankies, checking it out.. -> |
| 06:50.54 | ecobit | PeapTLS: i've never heard of one that doesn't i think they're required to |
| 06:51.11 | ecobit | but i could be wrong |
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| 06:51.18 | PeapTLS | umm |
| 06:51.19 | ecobit | all the ones ive seen did |
| 06:51.27 | PeapTLS | n/m |
| 06:51.27 | dutchfish | ecobit some AP broacast (or not) there SSID -> broadcom chipsets have this togglebit |
| 06:51.30 | pkhuong | ecobit: no, you can disable SSID |
| 06:51.40 | liable | PeapTLS: kismet can pick it up if its transmitting. |
| 06:51.46 | ecobit | oh |
| 06:51.47 | PeapTLS | dutchfish, would you know how I can send a disassociate packet to the ap? |
| 06:52.00 | lnzju | as to startx, apt-get install rcconf , then #rcconf |
| 06:52.10 | Paganist | What's a way to investigate why an app won't start ? |
| 06:52.12 | PeapTLS | peaptls <--- amateur radio operator |
| 06:52.16 | ecobit | i was thinking of the ap hex address not the essid. sorry |
| 06:52.19 | AllKind | I now have xserver-system-core installed. fbset still outputs /dev/fb0: no such device. I |
| 06:52.24 | dutchfish | PeapTLS, as far as i know at mac level |
| 06:52.28 | Paganist | i often have a problem of apps that will decide to not start |
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| 06:52.55 | Paganist | starting them in console won't tell more.... always happen in KDE in what i can see |
| 06:53.07 | ecobit | do you need the essid to associate, or just the hex address? |
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| 06:53.13 | AllKind | ...I'm damn newb on that... what are the steps to load a more nicer console? |
| 06:53.14 | henk | Can i configure suphp+apache2 in debian sarge so that i can run things as root? there seems to be an option you put into /etc/suphp.conf but the module does not seem to use that. I've read every piece of documentation i could find. Anyone? |
| 06:53.51 | ecobit | AllKind: under X or not? |
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| 06:54.07 | mrfrenzy | henk: what's the point? |
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| 06:54.32 | AllKind | ecobit, i want higher res on standard console... and that from boot time. like i've seen in slackware. |
| 06:54.40 | ecobit | Paganist: you should see something in the console |
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| 06:55.23 | AllKind | i dont need graphics, gui, etc... just not the 80:25 console, which is too small. |
| 06:55.49 | ecobit | AllKind: read fb/vesafb.txt for framebuffer console. for a decent non-framebuffer boot with vga=1 |
| 06:55.57 | Paganist | ecobit: nothing in console |
| 06:56.04 | dutchfish | PeapTLS, i discovered this when i was learning on a wlan-bridge |
| 06:56.09 | ecobit | Paganist: what apps? |
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| 06:56.30 | Paganist | mozilla / firefox / epiphany / bluefish |
| 06:56.34 | Paganist | they won't start |
| 06:56.36 | henk | mrfrenzy the point whould be having the possibility to wirte admin scripts for creating new vhosts etc. I use webmin but it does not fit our needs. This whould open up some new possibilities for us |
| 06:56.58 | ecobit | Paganist: type 'which mozilla' and make sure its even in your $PATH |
| 06:57.11 | Paganist | ecobit: it is in my path |
| 06:57.16 | Paganist | ecobit: i run it everyday |
| 06:57.22 | mrfrenzy | henk: write a webmin module? |
| 06:57.34 | ecobit | Paganist: you just said it won't run ?? |
| 06:57.42 | Paganist | yes, today |
| 06:57.44 | henk | learing perl is not something i want to do |
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| 06:57.52 | Paganist | and sometimes when it decide to not start |
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| 06:58.16 | Coke | Paganist: have you straced the apps? |
| 06:58.23 | Paganist | Coke: no |
| 06:58.32 | Coke | Paganist: are you using any distributed filesystems? are they using any network connections? |
| 06:58.51 | Paganist | Coke: no |
| 06:58.57 | Coke | Paganist: are you running them as the same user as you started X with or are you running an X display manager? |
| 06:59.02 | Paganist | Coke: i just ran strace mozilla and it started |
| 06:59.33 | mrfrenzy | henk: then maybe configure apache so that scripts are run with the file-owners rights, and use sudo to give the user the appropriate rights |
| 06:59.34 | Paganist | i don't really get it now... |
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| 06:59.43 | Paganist | and now it starts well |
| 06:59.46 | Paganist | o_O |
| 07:00.02 | fwiw39xx | hi is there a command i can use to do a hand-held config of xfree86??? |
| 07:00.19 | sep | cfrB: no, not if you tell your bios to boot that disk, or some other bootloader chainloads that disk. |
| 07:00.27 | ecobit | fwiw39xx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:00.28 | Paganist | Added to this when it doesn't start, it appears in ps |
| 07:00.56 | ecobit | Paganist: maybe you need to kill the zombie process before starting it |
| 07:01.08 | Paganist | ecobit: i did but didn't work |
| 07:01.20 | Paganist | ecobit: only worked when starting with strace |
| 07:01.22 | ecobit | Paganist: what didn't? the kill or the starting? |
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| 07:02.02 | henk | mrfrenzy yes i thought of that too. but it seems a bit of a workaround when the docs for suphp state specificaly that its possible to set the minimal UID (on debian this seems to be 100). setting this option doesn't seem possible with the debian install thats why i was asking here |
| 07:02.49 | mrfrenzy | henk: for good reasons maybe... |
| 07:02.51 | [bathat] | oh, i think i may know what i'm outputting to the channel |
| 07:02.57 | [bathat] | i'm using socks5 and tor |
| 07:02.57 | mrfrenzy | otherwise there is always apt-get source |
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| 07:03.05 | [bathat] | it's possible this is what it was displaying |
| 07:03.15 | cfrB | sep: I'll have to try that. I did not find any boot order setting in my main BIOS settings. However, while booting my machine there is a separate BIOS setting for the SATA. |
| 07:03.22 | [bathat] | but i'm not quite sure why it is |
| 07:03.25 | dutchfish | why is a sarge standard workstation install remote anouncing ipv6 on DNS so many times? how to tweak this? |
| 07:03.26 | [bathat] | if it is |
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| 07:04.16 | the_softrat | ANYONE, Are we Debian users condemned to print with cups from gnome or KDE? |
| 07:04.21 | [bathat] | if i get banned again, i'll check #debian-flood this time |
| 07:04.42 | ecobit | the_softrat: no |
| 07:05.02 | dutchfish | the_softrat, lpd? |
| 07:05.17 | ecobit | the_softrat: but cups is generally the way to go |
| 07:05.32 | streuner__ | the_softrat: hell, no. |
| 07:05.35 | the_softrat | ecobit, How come Debian-gnome complains about cups when I try to print? |
| 07:05.37 | ecobit | and probably less condemned then other ways |
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| 07:06.01 | mrfrenzy | the_softrat: debian manual: printing - read |
| 07:06.02 | the_softrat | ecobit, How to I CHANGE the gnome default print server stuff? |
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| 07:06.32 | the_softrat | ecobit, where IS *debian manual*? |
| 07:06.41 | tarzeau | the_softrat: www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 07:06.45 | streuner__ | the_softrat: what printer do you have? |
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| 07:06.50 | ecobit | no idea, but i print to oowriter and many other apps via cups all the time. maybe install cupsys-bsd |
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| 07:07.18 | the_softrat | ecobit & streuner_, THnak you. |
| 07:07.26 | ecobit | the_softrat: debian-reference-en |
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| 07:08.06 | the_softrat | streuner_, an old, old HP laserjet 4/4m (600 bpi) |
| 07:09.02 | mrfrenzy | the_softrat: can't find anything that's much simpler to print to than an old hp |
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| 07:09.05 | adm22 | Why dont work xdosemu under XDMCP |
| 07:09.15 | peet | how do i configure supybot after apting it |
| 07:09.31 | streuner__ | peet: by reading the docs? |
| 07:09.39 | the_softrat | mrfrenzy, Usta be, then I upgraded to sarge ...... |
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| 07:10.11 | mrfrenzy | the_softrat: so the printing system has changed, find out how |
| 07:10.46 | the_softrat | mrfrenzy, Works fine from W*****s, but *my* hardware does not support all the printer switching I want to do. |
| 07:11.09 | the_softrat | mrfrenzy, I gotta get Samba to work. |
| 07:11.18 | eric_ | join room |
| 07:11.57 | the_softrat | mrfrenzy, to print from Windoze XP thru to Debian sarge.... |
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| 07:12.13 | pipeline | the_softrat: No you don't. |
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| 07:12.26 | Tiberio | Are anyone using UDF and kernel 2.4.27?. I can mount my udf fs, bu I dont have w rigths. I set up this in my fstab (/dev/cdrw -> /dev/pktcdvd0) : /dev/cdrw /media/cdrw udf rw,noauto,noatime,user,umask=0 0 0. |
| 07:12.26 | the_softrat | pipeline, Why? |
| 07:12.28 | pipeline | the_softrat: If you're using cups on your debian system, the windows client can talk directly to the print server without samba. |
| 07:12.33 | mrfrenzy | samba has cups support, I don't see a pproblem |
| 07:12.33 | Coke | the_softrat: you should use CUPS instead. |
| 07:12.50 | pipeline | the_softrat: http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html |
| 07:12.51 | peet | streuner__: where ar eth edocs and online isn't helping me |
| 07:12.54 | Coke | it uses IPP (or whatever it's called) |
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| 07:12.56 | the_softrat | I tried cups -- I didn't print for a WEEK. |
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| 07:13.11 | dutchfish | is there any good doc-source on IPv6 and configuring sarge? |
| 07:13.13 | pipeline | the_softrat: The point is, you only need samba if you intend to share the printer over a windows omain. |
| 07:13.25 | streuner__ | !info supybot |
| 07:13.31 | pipeline | the_softrat: If you're just sharing with a few windows clients, you can configure them to use lpr or cups without any intermediate crap |
| 07:13.31 | dpkg | supybot: (robust and user friendly Python IRC bot), section net, is optional. Version: 0.80.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 589 kB, Installed size: 2968 kB |
| 07:13.31 | kreg | anyway to turn off walling? |
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| 07:13.40 | mrfrenzy | dutchfish: look at your tunnelbrookers faq, they ususally have a debian guide |
| 07:13.41 | kreg | got an annoying user echoing to the terminals |
| 07:13.52 | nse | what will be the next testing codename after the etch release? |
| 07:13.58 | streuner__ | peet: dpkg -L supybot |
| 07:14.06 | dondelelcaro | nse: hasn't been decided yet. |
| 07:14.06 | dutchfish | mrfrenzy, did that but it is far from complete |
| 07:14.17 | jm_ | Tiberio: and what permissions do files get with that? |
| 07:14.20 | streuner__ | peet: usually in /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 07:14.24 | dondelelcaro | nse: there are still more toy story names to use, though. |
| 07:14.33 | nse | dondelelcaro: but don't you have a guess? |
| 07:14.34 | dutchfish | mrfrenzy, need more info on ddns and sarge |
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| 07:14.39 | simonrvn | kreg: mesg (or msg) n |
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| 07:14.49 | fwiw39xx | question - has anyone running sarge stable been able to run BASTILLE successfully to harden they system? i'm getting errors... "coultn' modify hard drive's grub.conf" et |
| 07:14.53 | peet | streuner__: thanks |
| 07:14.54 | the_softrat | I wanna print from Windoze XP home through to Debian running sarge & lprng. I cannot do that now. |
| 07:14.57 | fwiw39xx | bastille y'all? anyone? |
| 07:15.01 | kreg | simonrvn, ? |
| 07:15.01 | dondelelcaro | nse: no, because it could conceivably be anything that is on the list. Hell, they could name it after a character not in toy story. |
| 07:15.05 | Tiberio | jm_, 755 |
| 07:15.16 | simonrvn | kreg: man mesg |
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| 07:15.22 | jm_ | Tiberio: that explains it then |
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| 07:15.31 | mrfrenzy | fwiw39xx: google securing debian howto |
| 07:15.32 | lnzju | man mesg |
| 07:15.41 | nse | dondelelcaro: maybe i'm not very up to date about that... which list? |
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| 07:16.09 | dondelelcaro | nse: there's a list somewhere of names of characters from toy story. I forget where it has gotten to, but some googling will bring it up. |
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| 07:16.18 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, did you install grub in the bootsector? |
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| 07:16.45 | the_softrat | Windoze cannot see the printer on the Debian box. |
| 07:16.49 | dondelelcaro | nse: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/01/msg00668.html |
| 07:16.52 | nse | dondelelcaro: just what I thought |
| 07:16.57 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, is it a multiboot box? |
| 07:17.13 | the_softrat | Windoze cannot get permission to use the printer on the Debian box. |
| 07:17.18 | bucky | nse, i think they will call the new testing Stinky Pete |
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| 07:17.46 | doktoreas | hi guys! |
| 07:17.59 | doktoreas | i wanna install a distro in my laptop |
| 07:18.12 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: future release names is <reply> the RMs decide the names of the future releases of Debian. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/01/msg00668.html for one list of future characters. |
| 07:18.12 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 07:18.20 | streuner__ | !d-i doktoreas |
| 07:18.21 | dpkg | doktoreas, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:18.28 | doktoreas | right now i use gentoo on my box, but i'd like to try some other |
| 07:18.35 | streuner__ | doktoreas: /msg dpkg ig |
| 07:18.41 | streuner__ | doktoreas: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 07:18.58 | doktoreas | thx |
| 07:19.00 | the_softrat | mrfrenzy, Heloo? R U there? |
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| 07:19.18 | the_softrat | ecobit, Hello? R U there? |
| 07:19.51 | simonrvn | !ru |
| 07:19.51 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 07:20.01 | bucky | !irritate the_softrat |
| 07:20.02 | dpkg | the_softrat: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses cable hello? |
| 07:20.02 | nse | dondelelcaro: oh god, there still a lot of them.. wheezy is my favourite |
| 07:20.03 | the_softrat | streuner_, Hello? Are you there? |
| 07:20.09 | ecobit | the_softrat: |
| 07:20.15 | simonrvn | the_softrat: hello, are you there? |
| 07:20.21 | streuner | the_softrat: no, iam a ghost ;-) |
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| 07:20.40 | streuner | the_softrat: just ask |
| 07:20.48 | the_softrat | streuner_, Can you help with my printing problem? |
| 07:21.04 | nse | bucky: a two-words codename? |
| 07:21.06 | streuner | the_softrat: never used XP to print over sarge |
| 07:21.21 | bucky | nse, i like wheezy |
| 07:21.23 | streuner | the_softrat: but people saying its working without any problems |
| 07:21.24 | the_softrat | Can it be done?? |
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| 07:21.50 | bucky | nse, they're saving wheezy for when linux goes proprietary |
| 07:21.56 | streuner | the_softrat: sure |
| 07:21.59 | simonrvn | well, etch is named after etch-a-sketch |
| 07:22.06 | the_softrat | streuner_, Obviouslt I have some trivial little thing set incorrectly. |
| 07:22.10 | streuner | the_softrat: does the print system works only in sarge? |
| 07:22.13 | fwiw39xx | dutchfish - yes...i had win xp , then i put on debian and put grub into the MBR...does that mess with bastille running!??! |
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| 07:22.27 | the_softrat | streuner_, But what? |
| 07:22.36 | bucky | Debian Stinky.. that will go over with the corporate types |
| 07:22.42 | streuner | the_softrat: does the print system work? |
| 07:22.43 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, nope unless you didnt |
| 07:22.44 | simonrvn | s+ |
| 07:22.49 | streuner | the_softrat: not over XP? |
| 07:23.08 | bucky | simonrvn, i think he forgot his passwd he set for runlevel 1 |
| 07:23.08 | fwiw39xx | dutchfish - unless i didn't ____ ? can you be mo' specific? |
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| 07:23.16 | simonrvn | buthe bestest release evar!!111!1 |
| 07:23.16 | the_softrat | streuner_, Yes, locally on both boxes, Debian and Windoze. |
| 07:23.32 | simonrvn | meh, fucking tab completion in xchat sucketh |
| 07:23.34 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, had simular problem, i resolved it be reinstalling grub (dont forget backup) |
| 07:23.39 | Dustin` | anyone bumped into a problem where system is frozen and it says on the screen: losing too many ticks! |
| 07:23.42 | simonrvn | bucky: the bestest release evar!!111!1 |
| 07:23.44 | Dustin` | any idea what could cause that? |
| 07:23.50 | Tiberio | jm_, how to set my fstab so that all user can mount and write on a CDRW media with UDF FS. |
| 07:23.53 | simonrvn | bucky: hehe |
| 07:23.58 | adm22 | Help me please! Why crash xdosemu under XDMCP? |
| 07:24.00 | bucky | right ! |
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| 07:24.29 | fwiw39xx | dutchfish - was bastille say it couldn't write into /etc/grub.conf? |
| 07:24.36 | fwiw39xx | i don't even have an /etc/grub.conf! |
| 07:24.36 | simonrvn | xchat's tab completion is like bash's, and irssi's is like zsh's |
| 07:24.38 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, yup |
| 07:24.49 | mythtv | hey guys i'm trying to find out what my capture card is called, how do i do this (obviously without opening the case :P) |
| 07:24.54 | simonrvn | um, that's because there isn't any |
| 07:24.57 | fwiw39xx | dutchfis - was it also say that it couldn't move psad into /etc/psad, etc? |
| 07:25.01 | snail | Dustin`: i'm guessing that the clock is the problem. |
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| 07:25.37 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, aperently my old mbr didnt quiet match that of the new grub i installed later |
| 07:25.43 | Dustin` | snail, could clock cause system freeze totally though? |
| 07:25.52 | snail | Dustin`: i'd check that (a) you have the right kind of power supply and (b) the battery on your motherboard (if any) is still ok |
| 07:26.03 | fwiw39xx | dutchfish - so why does bastille want to mess with grub.conf anyway? |
| 07:26.34 | bucky | fwiw39xx, it's looking for /boot/grub/menu.lst maybe you could make a link |
| 07:26.37 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, to protect it? |
| 07:26.42 | fwiw39xx | lol |
| 07:26.43 | fwiw39xx | yeah |
| 07:26.47 | fwiw39xx | so how do i reinstall grub? |
| 07:26.51 | liable | Dustin`: I have seen that somewhere but i'm fucked if I remember where. Is it a debian kernel or compiled? (think its in the kernel docs) |
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| 07:27.02 | fwiw39xx | i have a dell laptop...does dell have some messed up MBR to begin with? |
| 07:27.08 | Dustin` | snail, thanks, atleast now we have a clue where to start looking |
| 07:27.20 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, read grub howto |
| 07:27.29 | Dustin` | liable, ill have a look. Its a stable basic kernel |
| 07:27.41 | bucky | fwiw39xx, or cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /etc/grub.conf |
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| 07:27.56 | pkhuong | fwiw39xx: laptops are messed up by definition |
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| 07:28.18 | the_softrat | streuner_, I'm still here ................ |
| 07:28.30 | simonrvn | good for you |
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| 07:28.48 | hejux | when i run apt-get install kde ,it will install many applications that i donnt need ,how to solve this problem ? |
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| 07:28.54 | streuner | the_softrat: sorry, i cant help you |
| 07:29.01 | simonrvn | don't install meta-packages |
| 07:29.08 | simonrvn | hejux: don't install meta-packages |
| 07:29.13 | the_softrat | streuner_, OK: Over & Out. |
| 07:29.14 | paivakil | hejux: kde is a meta package |
| 07:29.19 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, bastille is very picky about correct syntax in /etc/grub.conf |
| 07:29.35 | paivakil | hejux: select only the packages you want from aptitude or |
| 07:29.36 | paivakil | whatever you use |
| 07:29.36 | the_softrat | streuner_, Have a N.I.C.E. day! |
| 07:29.37 | fwiw39xx | what does that translate to? |
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| 07:30.12 | streuner | the_softrat: switch CUPS into debug mode and read the logs |
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| 07:30.55 | simonrvn | fooz: heya |
| 07:30.58 | fooz | simonrvn, hi |
| 07:30.59 | streuner | the_softrat: the good thing is, you already mentioned that you printing system is working |
| 07:31.03 | fwiw39xx | dutchfish - when you ran bastille and it didn't quite work...were you unable to login to debian with your non-root acct? i can't login as non-root or root either! |
| 07:31.34 | simonrvn | running and confing bastille requires some clue... |
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| 07:32.19 | fwiw39xx | simon - i just ran interactivebastille and answered the questionnaire |
| 07:32.32 | fwiw39xx | then it gave me all these errors when it tried to implement the changes to the system |
| 07:32.37 | the_softrat | streuner_, Meanwhile I'm printing out several pounds of manuals....Samba, lprng, debian-reference, ... |
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| 07:32.56 | fwiw39xx | isn't interactivebastille supposed to be pretty simple to use? |
| 07:33.03 | hejux | aptitude too hard for me to use |
| 07:33.18 | Guerin | hejux: then you're too stupid to run debian |
| 07:33.25 | fwiw39xx | lol |
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| 07:33.37 | the_softrat | hejux, I don't understand aptitude. I just use apt-get. |
| 07:33.44 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 07:33.50 | Guerin | there's nothing to understand |
| 07:33.56 | hejux | aptitude can install and uninstall ? |
| 07:34.01 | Guerin | use it exactly the same as you would use apt-get |
| 07:34.09 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 07:34.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 07:34.14 | hejux | the_softrat: then you are as stupid as me |
| 07:34.15 | Guerin | read the last link |
| 07:34.21 | the_softrat | Guerin, Why bother? |
| 07:34.32 | Guerin | the_softrat: read that last link and you'll know why. |
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| 07:35.09 | fwiw39xx | should i just not run bastille? |
| 07:35.09 | the_softrat | Guerin, Sounds to me like a *good* reason to avoid aptitude. |
| 07:35.12 | fwiw39xx | sigh |
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| 07:35.22 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, weird i could login as root at the console |
| 07:35.25 | the_softrat | Guerin, I'll let you guys debug it! :-) |
| 07:35.35 | Guerin | the_softrat: why? Really. There's nothing to learn. Just train your fingers to type aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 07:35.40 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, sshd was unreachable |
| 07:35.45 | Guerin | but hell |
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| 07:36.00 | fwiw39xx | dutchfish - doens't debian by default prevent login as root ? |
| 07:36.01 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 07:36.04 | fwiw39xx | you have to su root |
| 07:36.09 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: not over ssh |
| 07:36.14 | fwiw39xx | lol |
| 07:36.16 | fwiw39xx | i'm not remote |
| 07:36.17 | fwiw39xx | i'm local |
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| 07:36.37 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, no debian permit root login through ssh by default |
| 07:36.38 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: you can login to a console as root, just not into X. And there's no good reason to login to X as root, ever. |
| 07:36.45 | the_softrat | Guerin, My fingers are old and cannot learn GNU tricks. |
| 07:36.56 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, if you have sshd installed that is |
| 07:37.07 | fwiw39xx | guerin - is there a hotkey to drop to console before you have logged-in at the X screen? |
| 07:37.20 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 07:37.24 | fwiw39xx | ah |
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| 07:37.27 | simonrvn | goddamn... |
| 07:37.43 | fwiw39xx | go easy on me |
| 07:37.49 | fwiw39xx | my 2nd day using debian |
| 07:37.54 | fwiw39xx | :) |
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| 07:38.12 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, but i advice you to change permitroologin no |
| 07:38.18 | the_softrat | fwiw39xx: BOOWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
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| 07:38.21 | fwiw39xx | basically i'm sitting here on a winxp machine running debian on a 2nd box trying to learn this stuff |
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| 07:38.28 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, use sudo |
| 07:38.29 | nomed^ | do you know what does the script udev-mtab do? |
| 07:38.30 | simonrvn | Guerin: heh, close =). often happens... |
| 07:38.32 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: :) |
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| 07:39.00 | fwiw39xx | yes folks, i'm not in bitchx...i'm just mirc on win xp. sad, but i'm trying to grow out of windoze |
| 07:39.14 | simonrvn | well, that's cool |
| 07:39.34 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: cold turkey :) |
| 07:39.35 | fooz | i wish working on cars were as easy as computers |
| 07:39.38 | jethro | mornin |
| 07:39.40 | ethics | can someone help me diagnose a problem...my ide cdroms are not loading even though the right modules are probed |
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| 07:40.38 | fwiw39xx | guerin - guess what... i drop to console via ctrl-alt-f2 and cannot log in as either root or non-root |
| 07:40.42 | fwiw39xx | bastille sucks! |
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| 07:40.47 | the_softrat | fwiw39xx: Unless your hardware is *perfect*, you never outgrow your need for Windoze. |
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| 07:41.01 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: why the fuck did you install bastille on your fist day with debian? |
| 07:41.02 | fwiw39xx | softrat - yes. that's why i have set up dual-boot system |
| 07:41.05 | fooz | windows has nothing to do with hardware |
| 07:41.07 | the_softrat | fwiw39xx: Linux is a lousy hardware debugger. |
| 07:41.14 | ktims | can someone please give me a hand upgrading my debian system to 2.6? |
| 07:41.15 | jethro | and yes, bastille sucks |
| 07:41.17 | fwiw39xx | guerin - aren't you supposed to install bastille asap after fresh install? |
| 07:41.23 | Guerin | god no |
| 07:41.25 | sep | fwiw39xx: you mean you suck, becouse you coudn't configure bastille. |
| 07:41.32 | ktims | if i build a kernel w/o initrd, it hangs at INIT: version 2.8x starting |
| 07:41.35 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, its all a mather of reading the manpages and patience |
| 07:41.37 | Guerin | debian is pretty secure out of the box |
| 07:41.42 | jethro | fwiw39xx: you're supposed to stay away from it as long as possible |
| 07:41.45 | fooz | only reason i have windows is to run UO |
| 07:41.52 | the_softrat | fooz: At least windows can set up a working driver; Debian cannot. |
| 07:41.52 | ktims | if i try to use a debian kerenl or build one with initrd, mkinitrd hangs executing modprobe --show-depends |
| 07:41.54 | fwiw39xx | sep - i just used InteractiveBastille...it just spat out errors at the end |
| 07:42.00 | Shadur | shadur@ryuukaze:/proc/net$ sudo cat ip_conntrack | wc -l |
| 07:42.00 | Shadur | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.04 | fooz | the_softrat, well no shit.. it's not debian's job to admin itself |
| 07:42.05 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: honestly... you run windows XP, you DON'T need to make your life harder by complicating ebian's security |
| 07:42.09 | fooz | the_softrat, it's the sysadmin's job to set up drivers. |
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| 07:42.16 | fooz | the_softrat, same with windows, btw |
| 07:42.21 | Shadur | ... christ on a crotch, no wonder it started dropping packets by the bucketload. |
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| 07:42.34 | fwiw39xx | guerin - so if i just run debian stable, it's secure enough? how do i set up a firewall? |
| 07:42.36 | Guerin | the_softrat: don't blame debian for that - blame hardware manufscturers for not realeasing specs and reference drivers |
| 07:42.45 | sep | Shadur: you havent upped max conntracks ? |
| 07:42.52 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: a firewall provides almost no benefit for a single computer. |
| 07:42.56 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, whats your goal with bastille? |
| 07:43.00 | Shadur | sep: I did when I found out it was puking. |
| 07:43.06 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: contrary to what the windows press would have you believe. |
| 07:43.14 | sep | Shadur: been bitten by thatone soo many time :) |
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| 07:43.18 | ethics | can anyone assist with debugging a cdrom issue? like it not detecting under a debian kernel but under a compile from the debian it seems fine |
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| 07:43.30 | the_softrat | fooz: Guerin: I blame debian for *not* working the interface problem. |
| 07:43.36 | fwiw39xx | dutchfish - get it to work so i have some hardening and a software firewall |
| 07:43.38 | Guerin | the_softrat: what? |
| 07:43.43 | fooz | the_softrat, again, in english? |
| 07:43.44 | Shadur | sep: First time here. |
| 07:43.46 | fwiw39xx | dutchfish - plus port scan detection |
| 07:43.52 | the_softrat | fooz: Guerin: I know that it is *very* difficult. |
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| 07:44.12 | fooz | Guerin, i'm confused |
| 07:44.13 | fooz | oh well |
| 07:44.13 | the_softrat | fooz: Guerin: But even Redhat was better than Debian. |
| 07:44.13 | fwiw39xx | my box is on a sketchy lan with 400 hosts...there is suspicious traffic ou thtere on the lan |
| 07:44.15 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: why make life hard for yourself? Portscans aren't harmful if you have no ports open |
| 07:44.23 | Guerin | the_softrat: hahah |
| 07:44.32 | fooz | i have no problems with debian whatsoever |
| 07:44.52 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, start out with iptables, chkrootkit, snort etc |
| 07:44.52 | sep | fwiw39xx: i'm constantly beeing portscanned by countless windows drones on the net, whats the point in getting a cointinjus message of 'now your beeing scanned'. after the tenth abuse message that day, you just dont bother anymore |
| 07:44.54 | fooz | except that i'm too lazy to finish my selinux policy |
| 07:44.56 | the_softrat | Guerin: I refuse to use Redhat since they went all commercial. |
| 07:45.07 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, learn |
| 07:45.31 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, snort is really you tool for this |
| 07:45.32 | the_softrat | Guerin: I would use gentoo if I had time to study it. |
| 07:45.34 | fwiw39xx | dutchfish - i am willing to learn, but to start off i wanted to protect my system with some automatic help (i.e., bastille, but it did not work) |
| 07:45.38 | Guerin | fwiw39xx: my advice: uninstall bastille, for now. Edit /etc/inetd.conf and comment all the services therein. Stop or uninstall any other services you don't absolutely need. Be happy. |
| 07:45.42 | fooz | and running debian doesn't make me rich or keep me in shape |
| 07:45.46 | fooz | :( |
| 07:45.49 | jazz_cute | jhhhhhhfl, |
| 07:45.51 | fwiw39xx | guerin - sounds like good advice |
| 07:45.54 | the_softrat | Guerin: At least there I would know what is going on! |
| 07:46.00 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, forget about bastille for now, learn your basics first |
| 07:46.16 | ethics | can anyone assist with debugging a cdrom issue? like it not detecting under a debian kernel but under a compile from the debian it seems fine |
| 07:46.18 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, debian sarge is pretty save out of the box |
| 07:46.22 | Guerin | the_softrat: the only reason you don't know what's going on in debain is because you're too stupid to learn new things - as you said yourself a moment ago. |
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| 07:46.28 | fwiw39xx | dutchfish :) |
| 07:46.28 | Guerin | anyway, back to work. |
| 07:46.30 | sep | fwiw39xx: install security upgrades when they come out. dont run insecure services (clear text passwords based ones) , use good passphrases. dont run services you dont need. that's about sums up what i do for security. |
| 07:46.42 | fooz | debian's easier and cheaper than upgrading packages on my car, let me tell you |
| 07:46.44 | hoderaz | hello |
| 07:46.46 | the_softrat | Guerin: Not me! Just my fingers. They are too old. |
| 07:47.04 | fwiw39xx | sep - with windows i learned to be very paranoid...isntall antivirus, install firewall, harden the os, disable services with services.msc, etc, etc |
| 07:47.04 | fooz | my hands are perma-black from constant wrenching |
| 07:47.10 | fooz | and my wallet perma-empty |
| 07:47.24 | fwiw39xx | now with debian sarge...it's like...i just install it...and use it? and it's safe out of the box? |
| 07:47.26 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, and disable all the services you dont need (netstat -nlp) |
| 07:47.33 | sep | fwiw39xx: debian have 'automatic help' if you install the package called harden it will remove packages that can be insecure (use clear text passwords and such) |
| 07:47.50 | fwiw39xx | apt-get install harden? |
| 07:47.51 | fwiw39xx | lol |
| 07:47.55 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, good luck |
| 07:47.57 | jazz_cute | ?????????????? |
| 07:47.58 | fwiw39xx | thx |
| 07:48.08 | hoderaz | i've just tried to install sarge, tried... when i want to install the base system, i've this message : "error in debootstrap (...) unable to find coreutils" |
| 07:48.08 | nomed^ | with debootstrap it's possible to specify an arch .. with qemu it's possible to emulete that arch .. i would try this .. i was thinking if it's possible to add root and user password without chroot ? |
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| 07:48.29 | nomed^ | do you know a way to do that ? |
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| 07:48.50 | sep | fwiw39xx: windows needs that becouse it's a crappy os, this is not windows |
| 07:48.54 | fooz | nomed^, a debootstrapped system will boot into a setup thingy that'll prompt you to set a password |
| 07:48.57 | hoderaz | who can help me ? |
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| 07:49.08 | sep | fwiw39xx: use good passwords, and install security upgrades |
| 07:49.15 | fooz | nomed^, however, /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow are the same format between architectures, you can easily just hand-edit them |
| 07:49.23 | hejux | aptitude what does mean？ full name ？ |
| 07:49.53 | fwiw39xx | sep - security upgrades.. can i just chron apt-get update && upgrade to keep that stuff automagic? |
| 07:49.56 | fooz | fwiw39xx, just install a basic debian load without tons of services |
| 07:50.00 | fooz | fwiw39xx, learn things one thing at a time |
| 07:50.05 | fooz | fwiw39xx, keep it updated |
| 07:50.10 | fwiw39xx | ah i see |
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| 07:50.21 | ktims | can someone please give me a hand with this, i really need to get it working so i can get some homework done for tomorrow |
| 07:50.26 | fooz | fwiw39xx, don't worry about all the stuff you're trying to do |
| 07:50.28 | hejux | what does aptitude mean ？ what its full name ？ |
| 07:50.32 | dutchfish | mmm |
| 07:50.37 | fwiw39xx | fooz - whut if some nut on my lan hacks me? |
| 07:50.43 | sep | fwiw39xx: you can, but i'd do it manualy if i was you |
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| 07:50.47 | fooz | fwiw39xx, if it's your LAN.... |
| 07:50.48 | kneet | fwiw39xx, baseball bat? |
| 07:50.51 | djp | does anyone know why debian 3.1 does not automount usb devices 'out of the box', so to speak? |
| 07:50.56 | fooz | fwiw39xx, that means he's local to you (LAN means Local Area Network) |
| 07:51.01 | jethro | !cluebat fwiw39xx |
| 07:51.04 | fwiw39xx | fooz - not MY lan...it's a university apartment LAN |
| 07:51.06 | fooz | fwiw39xx, if so... walk up to him, and beat him |
| 07:51.12 | fooz | fwiw39xx, well |
| 07:51.16 | fwiw39xx | ~400 hosts |
| 07:51.25 | fwiw39xx | ip addresses are 10.x.x.x |
| 07:51.26 | jethro | fwiw39xx: you usually don't need harden packages unless you run a server, and you're really paranoid. |
| 07:51.27 | fwiw39xx | so it's local |
| 07:51.30 | fooz | fwiw39xx, if someone hacks you... call the university technical police whoevers |
| 07:51.37 | fooz | fwiw39xx, they'll kick him off the network |
| 07:51.39 | jethro | fwiw39xx: what you need though, is a firewall |
| 07:51.44 | jethro | fwiw39xx: and logs. |
| 07:51.45 | fwiw39xx | lol!! |
| 07:51.45 | fooz | fwiw39xx, he'll shit himself when that happens |
| 07:52.01 | deadcat | i just gave up on fucking icecast2 |
| 07:52.10 | fooz | fwiw39xx, "omg i can no longer download my mp3s liek whut!" |
| 07:52.18 | fwiw39xx | ok - what's the easiest way to put up a firewall for debian? i just want a one-click thing for now |
| 07:52.23 | kneet | deadcat, a bad image of a _very cold_ night in bed |
| 07:52.32 | jethro | fwiw39xx: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:52.46 | jethro | fwiw39xx: stop asking for one to handhold you please. you won't learn much this way. |
| 07:52.49 | deadcat | kneet: eh. |
| 07:52.49 | bigbill52a | my dvd recorder is working fine... |
| 07:52.54 | fooz | fwiw39xx, www.google.om |
| 07:52.59 | fooz | oops |
| 07:53.01 | fwiw39xx | been there, done that |
| 07:53.04 | fooz | fwiw39xx, anyway search google for info |
| 07:53.04 | fwiw39xx | 3am here |
| 07:53.11 | dutchfish | jethro, fwiw39xx snort! |
| 07:53.13 | nomed^ | fooz, do you know how i can generate an encrypted passwd from a string .. so i should just need to add it to shadow file |
| 07:53.13 | jethro | fwiw39xx: go to bed then |
| 07:53.17 | fooz | fwiw39xx, we all learned from searching google |
| 07:53.23 | fooz | nomed^, apt-cache search password |
| 07:53.25 | fwiw39xx | just feeling desperate...enjoy human company...been to google countless times |
| 07:53.26 | jethro | dutchfish: snort is just overkill is most cases |
| 07:53.28 | fooz | nomed^, there are tools to crypt strings for you |
| 07:53.28 | ktims | i can't mkinitrd because modprobe seems broken, and a non-initrd kernel refuses to boot. what can i do? |
| 07:53.33 | fwiw39xx | but ok |
| 07:53.36 | fwiw39xx | i'll google |
| 07:53.38 | dutchfish | jethro, not for learning ;) |
| 07:53.39 | jethro | s/is most/in most/ |
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| 07:53.52 | fooz | fwiw39xx, learn how to make a simple firewall by hand if you really want one |
| 07:53.57 | fwiw39xx | omg |
| 07:53.57 | fooz | fwiw39xx, the tools all suck in a lot of ways |
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| 07:54.07 | jethro | dutchfish: you mean learn how to manage hundreds of messages a day with the default setup ? |
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| 07:54.15 | bigbill52a | couldnt get it to work very fast in ubuntu... |
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| 07:54.22 | jethro | dutchfish: that's not what I'd call learning :) |
| 07:54.31 | fwiw39xx | i'm not really a computer guy, but i realize it's not good to use M$ or apple. the learning curve for this debian stuff is pretty steep |
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| 07:54.47 | dutchfish | jethro, noone set that security is an easy job |
| 07:54.53 | fooz | fwiw39xx, there's nothing wrong with using what you want.. |
| 07:55.00 | fooz | fwiw39xx, if what you want is easy, get OS X |
| 07:55.00 | jethro | fwiw39xx: to use a unix system, you need to learn the basis. |
| 07:55.02 | liable | ktims: sid? |
| 07:55.07 | ktims | yes |
| 07:55.09 | jethro | fwiw39xx: once you know them, it gets easier |
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| 07:55.28 | djp | can anyone help me. i cannot get my digi camera to work. under previous distros it has always just 'worked'. it automounted (mass sotroage usb device). a default debian desktop install does not do that. help! |
| 07:55.30 | liable | ktims: I believe kernel-package is the prob. |
| 07:55.30 | fwiw39xx | fooz - why use M$ or macOS...both OS are becoming progressively more intrusive and spying |
| 07:55.33 | dutchfish | fwiw39xx, get your hands on lp101 & lp102 my 5 cents |
| 07:55.37 | jethro | dutchfish: anyway, I wouldn't recommend the use of snort to a linux newbie |
| 07:55.40 | fooz | fwiw39xx, debian's not a linux distro for people who want everything done for em |
| 07:56.05 | fooz | it's for skilled but lazy sysadmins |
| 07:56.07 | Kekec | Is there any replacement for /etc/cron.daily/raidtools2 script, since raidtools2 is obsolete? |
| 07:56.09 | fooz | :) |
| 07:56.10 | ktims | liable: hmm, do you have a solution? seems an odd thing to break modprobe |
| 07:56.23 | jethro | Kekec: look at what's shipped with mdadm pacakge |
| 07:56.29 | jethro | s/cak/cka/ |
| 07:56.48 | Kekec | jethro: Thanks! |
| 07:56.55 | fooz | fwiw39xx, well, if you want a vaguely unix like system but you want it easy, OS X will give that to you |
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| 07:57.13 | fooz | fwiw39xx, you can set up Apache, Samba, and a firewall by clicking buttons |
| 07:57.16 | jethro | Kekec: you're welcome |
| 07:57.18 | fooz | maybe |
| 07:57.22 | AciD|Wrk | oi |
| 07:57.23 | fwiw39xx | i can't afford mac hardware |
| 07:57.38 | jethro | !moron fwiw39xx |
| 07:57.39 | dpkg | fwiw39xx: You are moron #89 |
| 07:57.49 | fwiw39xx | wtf? |
| 07:57.50 | fooz | me either, |
| 07:57.54 | fooz | but i don't like it anyway |
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| 07:58.01 | fooz | slow and unreliable |
| 07:58.15 | liable | ktims: no, I dont run sid, you prolly shouldnt either if you dont know how to start fixing it. |
| 07:58.16 | fooz | B&W G3 keeps catching on fire and venting smoke |
| 07:58.17 | fwiw39xx | i use solaris at work |
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| 07:58.32 | fwiw39xx | figured it use *nix at home |
| 07:58.34 | fooz | and it threatens the cat |
| 07:58.34 | swim | hey folks, what deb do I need to install for svg support? |
| 07:58.45 | dondelelcaro | swim: svg support where? |
| 07:58.51 | fooz | and changes the TV channel when The Shield is on |
| 07:58.54 | fooz | very rude little computer |
| 07:59.05 | swim | dondelelcaro, xfce ? |
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| 07:59.35 | dondelelcaro | swim: what do you want to do with the svg? edit it? view it? try display in imagemagick, or sodipodi or sketch |
| 07:59.36 | ktims | things don't generally hang without reporting what's going on. i've run sid for a couple years now and never had a problem like this. the kernel userspace utils are generally pretty stable.. |
| 07:59.46 | swim | dondelelcaro, for now just view it |
| 07:59.48 | ktims | liable: can you give some idea what would cause a kernel to hang at INIT: line? |
| 07:59.53 | swim | icons and such |
| 07:59.58 | fooz | i'll try out solaris 10 if they ever finish desatanising it |
| 08:00.11 | dondelelcaro | fat chance of that happening. |
| 08:00.14 | prodope | what happened to the non-us.debian.org unstable after sarge was released? |
| 08:00.17 | prodope | is it not used anymore? |
| 08:00.19 | dondelelcaro | prodope: topic |
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| 08:00.33 | bobbens | !topicsmite prodope |
| 08:00.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon prodope. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:00.39 | fooz | dondelelcaro, stranger things have happened :) |
| 08:00.56 | prodope | ahhh, thanks |
| 08:01.03 | dondelelcaro | fooz: yeah, but this year has already used up its "strange things happening" quota. |
| 08:01.26 | liable | ktims: compiles one, or debian image? |
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| 08:01.40 | fooz | dondelelcaro, maybe next year |
| 08:02.03 | ktims | liable: compiled. debian image refuses to install because mkinitrd is hanging. tracked that down to modprobe --show-depends hanging, but i can't figure out what would cause that either. |
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| 08:02.51 | dutchfish | ktims bootoption NOAPIC? |
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| 08:03.49 | ktims | haven't tried noapic..assumed it would be started long before init is run..could try though |
| 08:03.50 | sexy_gurl | fyi,,,, |
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| 08:04.17 | ethics | can anyone assist with debugging a cdrom issue? like it not detecting under a debian kernel but under a compile from the debian it seems fine |
| 08:04.29 | liable | ktims: you dont have an old one on there? |
| 08:05.04 | ktims | i do, it's this machine now, i'd just like to get it upgraded to 2.6. i had the box down anyway and figured it'd be a good chance, and now i'm into it :p |
| 08:05.12 | hoderaz- | i've just tried to install sarge, tried... when i want to install the base system, i've this message : "error in debootstrap (...) unable to find coreutils" |
| 08:05.14 | hoderaz- | who can help me ? |
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| 08:05.36 | neoXite | hi, im looking for a method to completely reset a user profile to a template upon logout of an X11 session, i'm using sarge |
| 08:05.39 | ktims | ethics: isn't the ide-cd compiled as a module in debian kernels |
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| 08:06.55 | ethics | ktims: nah it's a mdule... |
| 08:07.00 | nomed^ | hoderaz try a different mirror .. |
| 08:07.05 | liable | ktims: you upgrading from woody to sid? |
| 08:07.08 | ktims | ethics: yea that's what i mean..are you loading it |
| 08:07.13 | ktims | liable: no, this machine has always run sid |
| 08:07.29 | nomed^ | debootstrap uses wget .. |
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| 08:07.52 | liable | ktims: with a 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:07.56 | zdom_ | i wonder what irc.debian.org is running...sarge or etch? |
| 08:08.07 | ktims | yes |
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| 08:08.27 | nomed^ | it downloads the file Packages from the mirror .. greps Filename: and wgets it .. |
| 08:08.46 | swim | can anyone tell me what package I need to install to be able to view svg files? |
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| 08:09.26 | paivakil | swim: `` apt-cache search svg'' will give the answer |
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| 08:09.42 | swim | paivakil, not really |
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| 08:10.11 | ethics | ktims: yes. i modprobe piix, ide-cd and ide-disk they all load no errors but i get no devices under /dev/ |
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| 08:10.30 | sexy_gurl | bisa gila ni.... |
| 08:10.31 | paivakil | did you try? |
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| 08:11.05 | paivakil | it will give you a list, of really usefull and some not. but try and take your pick |
| 08:11.09 | ktims | ethics: do you mean the /dev/hdXX nodes or /dev/cdrom or etc...or are you running devfs? |
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| 08:11.34 | ethics | ktims, yes it's just a sarge install.. |
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| 08:11.49 | ethics | ktims: dev/hda normally for it.. |
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| 08:12.43 | ethics | ktims, its bizaare ill try more later |
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| 08:13.21 | djp | can anyone help with usb automounting? |
| 08:13.29 | ktims | if you do, eg 'dmesg | grep -i hd.' do you see it? |
| 08:13.41 | AllKind | ecobit: with grub option vga=XXX vga console worked. thx! just wonder why video=aty128fb:800x600 did not? |
| 08:14.02 | tralala | djp: it depends on what your problem is |
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| 08:15.45 | djp | tralala: i hoped my digi camera would 'just work' after installing debian 3.1, as it has done in other distros. however i can only get to my photos manually. is automounting of usb devices not working by default in 3.1? |
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| 08:16.46 | ionrivera | hi guys! anyone who can help me install java runtime package |
| 08:17.07 | nomed^ | djp .. are you using hal + dbus + hotplug + udev ...? |
| 08:17.28 | bobbens | ionrivera: /msg dpkg install java |
| 08:17.29 | ionrivera | ive installed all the java packages but it still dont work |
| 08:17.42 | djp | nomed^: yes |
| 08:17.51 | jbmigel | ionrivera did you make you sim link to your mozilla dir? |
| 08:18.01 | nomed^ | gnome ? |
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| 08:18.13 | ionrivera | not yet... how can i do that |
| 08:18.14 | djp | nomed^: yes |
| 08:18.51 | nomed^ | and it just doesn't work with your camere ... ? |
| 08:18.57 | jbmigel | ionrivera: sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ |
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| 08:19.19 | jbmigel | ionrivera: note you should relabel the first path to match where you put your java |
| 08:19.32 | djp | nomed^: nothing... |
| 08:19.54 | Guerin | bollocks |
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| 08:20.03 | Guerin | just use java-package, have it all done automatically |
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| 08:20.18 | Guerin | of you MUST have that shiteware installed |
| 08:20.24 | jbmigel | Guerin he already installed it manually |
| 08:20.25 | nomed^ | did you add your user to plugdev group? |
| 08:20.46 | [bathat] | where does apt-get install python to because i installed the sourcecode quite awhile ago now knowing i already had it |
| 08:20.57 | djp | nomed^: it was already a member of that group |
| 08:21.08 | Guerin | [bathat]: 'which python' |
| 08:21.09 | ionrivera | how can i configure it? |
| 08:21.14 | [bathat] | 2.5.3 |
| 08:21.20 | [bathat] | 2.3.5* |
| 08:21.27 | [bathat] | /usr/bin probably |
| 08:21.32 | Guerin | [bathat]: no, type 'which python' in a shell |
| 08:21.33 | jbmigel | ionrivera: if you made the sim link it will work now |
| 08:21.40 | [bathat] | yeh but i have two installed |
| 08:21.48 | [bathat] | one under /usr/local/bin and the other /usr/bin |
| 08:22.00 | [bathat] | oh, /usr/local/bin |
| 08:22.06 | Guerin | [bathat]: whichever is first in your path will be used first. |
| 08:22.10 | [bathat] | what's the difference between whereis and which? |
| 08:22.15 | [bathat] | oh |
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| 08:22.41 | ionrivera | jbmigel:can u giv me instructions of making sim link? |
| 08:22.43 | [bathat] | yeh |
| 08:22.51 | Guerin | ionrivera: because he didn't do that already |
| 08:22.52 | tralala | diff <(man which) <(man whereis) |
| 08:23.00 | Guerin | tralala: frosty. |
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| 08:23.11 | jbmigel | ionrivera what is the path to your jre1.5 folders? |
| 08:23.13 | [bathat] | how do you uninstall something built from sourcecode assuming there's no make uninstall? |
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| 08:23.26 | tralala | Guerin: :) |
| 08:23.30 | jm_ | [bathat]: make -n install, read it, remove things |
| 08:23.36 | Guerin | backtoheaven: find out where it put everything and delete it all manually |
| 08:23.39 | ionrivera | jbmigel: the default |
| 08:23.51 | BriteLeaf | hello all |
| 08:23.57 | [bathat] | jm_: thanks, there is much training still, young padawan |
| 08:24.05 | backtoheaven | Guerin, sorry, What? |
| 08:24.14 | Guerin | backtoheaven: typo, sorry |
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| 08:24.25 | jbmigel | ionrivera im not familure with "the default" directory can you be more specific |
| 08:24.29 | Guerin | [bathat]: drop the [ at the start of your nick, svp |
| 08:24.32 | backtoheaven | Guerin, no problem :-) |
| 08:24.32 | BriteLeaf | Anyone here happen to use Mandrake 10 that could teach me a thing or 10? |
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| 08:24.39 | nomed^ | djp .. so your '/media' dir should be populated with removable devices ... it works for me .. |
| 08:24.53 | Guerin | BriteLeaf: why, sure. We all use mandrak 10 here in #debian. |
| 08:25.02 | BriteLeaf | yeah yeah :P |
| 08:25.03 | [bathat] | Guerin: why? |
| 08:25.08 | Guerin | BriteLeaf: need some help with macOS 7 while you're at it? |
| 08:25.10 | [bathat] | i will , i mean... but why? |
| 08:25.15 | Guerin | !leading punctuation |
| 08:25.15 | dpkg | if your nick begins with leading punctuation, nobody is going to want to help you, because typing your nick is a HUGE FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS, even with tab completion |
| 08:25.18 | BriteLeaf | I just came from a web site that said this was the place to come :P |
| 08:25.19 | yo2lux | exist a way to build kernel 2.6.11.12 on debian 3.1r0a sarge ? i have the kernel source in /usr/src , i type : make menuconfig but i get a lot of errors. I hevae gcc and make installed . Any idea ? |
| 08:25.23 | nomed^ | gh |
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| 08:25.29 | tralala | BriteLeaf: we call it #debian only to cofuse the fedora users so they don't come and ask mandrake questions here |
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| 08:25.35 | [bathat] | /usr/local/bin is where sourcecode installed to |
| 08:25.38 | jm_ | yo2lux: /msg dpkg menuconfig |
| 08:25.38 | djp | nomed^: just my cd-roms and floppy drive |
| 08:25.39 | Guerin | BriteLeaf: which site told you to come to #debian with mandrake problems? |
| 08:25.50 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's hip, these days |
| 08:25.57 | [bathat] | how would i remove from sourcecode |
| 08:26.04 | Guerin | [bathat]: that's where the binary went - the libs will be elsewhee, etc. |
| 08:26.04 | BriteLeaf | You've forgotten something here that I can't understand though- help available online. #debian on irc.freenode.net is easily one of the busiest and most helpful chat rooms for any distro I have run across. If a newbie can't find an answer in Google and there, it's probably not a newbie question :) |
| 08:26.15 | tarzeau | [bathat]: that's wrong |
| 08:26.23 | tarzeau | [bathat]: source code is never put into /usr/loca/bin |
| 08:26.24 | BriteLeaf | forum :P |
| 08:26.28 | tarzeau | BriteLeaf: url |
| 08:26.28 | tralala | BriteLeaf: be careful - one fine day you might run into a web site that tells you to jump off a high building |
| 08:26.32 | yo2lux | jm_ thanks |
| 08:26.35 | [bathat] | Guerin: yep, i know |
| 08:26.42 | BriteLeaf | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/160 |
| 08:26.43 | jbmigel | BriteLeaf what is your problem anyway... maybe its not distro related |
| 08:26.47 | Guerin | BriteLeaf: we do debian here. #mandrake does mandrake. If you want to install debian, we'll gladly help you. |
| 08:26.47 | [bathat] | tarzeau: well, that's how it decodes |
| 08:27.07 | [bathat] | plus, wxgtk installed to /usr/local/bin so i know it is done |
| 08:27.18 | nomed^ | djp .. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/11/msg00201.html <-- take a look here |
| 08:27.20 | BriteLeaf | prolly not. Basically I am VERY NEW to Linux and that being said, nothing is familiar and I don't know where to start |
| 08:27.22 | tarzeau | BriteLeaf: everything that has no debian.org is not official |
| 08:27.28 | tarzeau | BriteLeaf: LIES! ALL LIES! |
| 08:27.41 | Guerin | BriteLeaf: ok. type /joing #mandrake in your irc client |
| 08:27.41 | BriteLeaf | Currently I am trying to setup a static IP so I can make a server |
| 08:27.55 | [bathat] | Guerin: why do you want me to remove the [ ? |
| 08:28.15 | Guerin | [bathat]: see above re leading punctuation on nicks |
| 08:28.18 | jbmigel | BriteLeaf you say your google for "setting up linux static ip address" returned nothing for you eh? |
| 08:28.30 | tralala | BriteLeaf: so you are very new to linux and you think you could just set up a server? |
| 08:28.36 | BriteLeaf | ummm... |
| 08:28.40 | Guerin | BriteLeaf: seriously -- just join #mandrake. They'll welcome you with open arms |
| 08:28.51 | [bathat] | Guerin: not allowed, eh? |
| 08:28.55 | BriteLeaf | I haven't tried that. Told ya I didn't know where to start :P Trying it now, and thanks |
| 08:29.15 | Guerin | bathat: it's just a pain to type. Cheers. |
| 08:29.23 | djp | nomed^: ubuntu! i was using that before giving debian 3.1 a whirl. it worked flawlessly under hoary! thanks for the link by the way. i would need to update the kernel to use pmount. maybe i should have just stuck with ubuntu. debian base after all... ;) |
| 08:29.28 | caphuso | Guerin: get a non-sucking client |
| 08:29.31 | bathat | oh, i use TAB so, but ok |
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| 08:29.48 | Guerin | caphuso: bah, I'm just in the habit of typing one or two letters and tab |
| 08:30.15 | caphuso | Guerin: me too. in [bathat]'s case i'd be typing bat<tab> and have it complete to [bathat]: |
| 08:30.17 | bathat | any ideas on my question regarding uninstalling sourcecode |
| 08:30.25 | caphuso | bathat: rm |
| 08:30.29 | jbmigel | anyone successfully get security updates running on AMD64 architecture yet? I get errors with standard line in sources.list |
| 08:30.46 | Guerin | caphuso: my fingers tend to stop at two. I can force them to go further, but... |
| 08:30.48 | nomed^ | djp .. that link explain simply the debian approach to utopia .. |
| 08:30.49 | ionrivera | jbmigel: ok i'll chek my folders...installed java packages are located at /usr/bin |
| 08:31.03 | tralala | caphuso: and your non-sucking client is? |
| 08:31.06 | caphuso | tralala: irssi |
| 08:31.13 | Guerin | the same as my non-sucking client |
| 08:31.21 | Guerin | it's just that he has a non-sucking user too |
| 08:31.22 | tralala | and as mine |
| 08:31.34 | jbmigel | ionrivera you installed your java runtime FOLDER into /usr/bin? |
| 08:31.38 | tralala | but it's good to know that it completes even from the middle of the names |
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| 08:32.11 | tralala | hehe :) |
| 08:32.45 | caphuso | bathat: stop |
| 08:32.50 | jbmigel | ionrivera here is a howto, it says it's for ubuntu but it is the same procedure for you now http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#jre |
| 08:33.02 | bathat | caphuso: sorry, i'm trying to reregister |
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| 08:33.09 | tralala | non-sucking user takes a while to develop and is not quite as easy as apt-get install non-sucking soft |
| 08:33.10 | djp | nomed^: sure. it uses pmount. debian 3.1 kernel needs an update to 2.6 in order to use it i think |
| 08:33.14 | caphuso | bathat: just link the names |
| 08:33.20 | bathat | caphuso: i guess i got it |
| 08:33.23 | nomed^ | that 's sure |
| 08:33.31 | nomed^ | udev = 2.6.x |
| 08:33.56 | bathat | caphuso: how do i do that, kind of new to irc |
| 08:34.19 | caphuso | bathat: /msg nickserv help |
| 08:34.24 | tralala | bathat: www.freenode.net |
| 08:34.30 | jbmigel | is the sources.list line "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free" correct for *ALL* supported architectures? |
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| 08:34.49 | Guerin | jbmigel: yes. |
| 08:34.58 | BK | every time i want to use Bittorrent i need to write "btdownloadgui --maxport bla bla". can i make an alias for this command so i wold only write "Btdown" or something similar |
| 08:35.00 | BK | ? |
| 08:35.22 | Guerin | bathat: alias btdown="whatyouwanttorun yeah" |
| 08:35.26 | dbeal | say I need to recompile apache2-prefork. how would I go about doing that? |
| 08:35.28 | tralala | BK: yes you can. man bash search for alias |
| 08:35.35 | BK | ok, thanks |
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| 08:35.38 | bathat | hm, it still sees me as [bathat] |
| 08:35.40 | Guerin | dbeal: you don't. |
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| 08:35.59 | jbmigel | Guerin do you know why i cannot connect (404 error) with that line on my AMD64 server? apparently it is supported according to release notes |
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| 08:36.22 | ionrivera | ok thanks! will try that |
| 08:36.28 | tralala | jbmigel: amd64 is not supported yet |
| 08:36.36 | Guerin | jbmigel: amd64 was not released with sarge. There's an unofficial port, but that doesn't get security from s.d.o |
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| 08:37.31 | caphuso | Guerin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00005.html |
| 08:38.04 | jbmigel | tralala, Guerin from www.debian.org/ports/amd64: "The stable release of the unofficial port is based on unpatched Sarge sources and has full security support by the Debian Security Team" |
| 08:38.22 | Guerin | well, bugger me backwards with a boathook |
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| 08:38.31 | Guerin | that's news to me |
| 08:38.41 | jbmigel | it was just released a couple hours ago |
| 08:38.44 | tralala | to me too |
| 08:38.51 | jbmigel | www.distrowatch.com |
| 08:39.04 | tralala | good news indeed |
| 08:39.16 | jbmigel | would be better if it worked :P |
| 08:39.22 | tralala | I was expecting the dvd images for quite some time now. |
| 08:40.08 | jbmigel | ya you still need to use the unofficial mirrors for updates, maybe i need to point there for security aswell? but i dont believe it that way |
| 08:40.09 | tralala | I couldn't escape noticing however that link given in the anouncement says unofficial |
| 08:40.25 | jethro | !irritate tralala |
| 08:40.26 | dpkg | tralala: hi every1 who uses sound plz msg me, ravenbird |
| 08:41.31 | ionrivera | jbmigel: is the jre1.5.0_01 included when i installed the java package? or it is separated? i cant find it's folder... |
| 08:41.31 | tralala | hey, jethro :) |
| 08:42.07 | bathat | does anyone know how to remove a pkg installed from sc? |
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| 08:42.44 | tralala | bathat: sometimes the sc is able to handle make uninstall |
| 08:42.48 | bathat | there's sometimes a make uninstall but it's uncommon |
| 08:42.50 | AllKind | cool, i just installed 2 amd64 boxes, which will go productive soon :) |
| 08:42.51 | hejux | do i use xorg or xfree86 ? |
| 08:42.52 | jbmigel | ionrivera are you referring to java-package? i think you have to get the java binaries seperatly then feed java-package with them |
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| 08:43.13 | bathat | tralala: unfortunately python is not one of them |
| 08:43.14 | hejux | any advise ? |
| 08:43.35 | tralala | bathat: I noticed though that someone told you make -n install and then remove manually |
| 08:43.51 | bathat | oh, i missed the remove manually part |
| 08:44.02 | bathat | that is going to be a pain |
| 08:44.04 | liable | hejux: what distro you running? |
| 08:44.07 | ozzloy | how do i depart a channel? |
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| 08:44.23 | bathat | #/quit |
| 08:44.30 | bathat | no |
| 08:44.32 | bathat | sorry |
| 08:44.38 | sep | ozzloy: /part |
| 08:44.41 | tralala | bathat: it won't be as easy as dpkg -P or apt-get purge, but... this is why I don't install from sources (one of the reasons) |
| 08:44.45 | liable | hehe |
| 08:44.49 | jddl266 | sarge is stable, sid is unstable. What is the testing ? |
| 08:44.57 | bathat | tralala: i know |
| 08:45.00 | tralala | jddl266: etch |
| 08:45.01 | AllKind | etch |
| 08:45.01 | bathat | unfortunate |
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| 08:45.07 | jddl266 | thanks tralala |
| 08:45.20 | ozzloy | bathat, not quite what i meant |
| 08:45.21 | bathat | i messed ozzloy up with my uninformed advice |
| 08:45.24 | tarzeau | can we put TESTING IS ETCH in /topic ? |
| 08:45.28 | liable | ozzloy: /part |
| 08:45.30 | bathat | ozzloy: i know, i'm sorry |
| 08:45.36 | ionrivera | jbmiguel: yup, where can i get the java-binaries? |
| 08:45.36 | ozzloy | np |
| 08:45.45 | jbmigel | java.sun.com |
| 08:46.04 | ionrivera | ok thanks |
| 08:46.07 | ozzloy | thanx bathat and liable |
| 08:46.07 | tralala | tarzeau: what's the point - nobody reads it anyway... |
| 08:46.12 | jbmigel | hey who was etch in the movie anyway? |
| 08:46.22 | bathat | ozzloy: don't thank me ;) |
| 08:46.26 | tarzeau | jbmigel: the brown paper bag |
| 08:46.32 | ozzloy | well for the thought anyways |
| 08:46.42 | bathat | oh ok, thanks |
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| 08:47.09 | jbmigel | tarzeau lol so sid break your toys and Guerin cant fight his way outta etch?? ;) |
| 08:47.14 | ozzloy | your welcome. thank you for thanking me for thanking you |
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| 08:47.33 | tarzeau | jbmigel: i don't have toys. and sid doesn't break here |
| 08:47.54 | jbmigel | have they brought in gcc4.0 yet? |
| 08:48.01 | tralala | ozzloy: thank you for stopping the lame thank you game |
| 08:48.36 | jethro | @annoy tralala |
| 08:48.36 | tralala | jbmigel: yes, in experimental |
| 08:48.36 | ravenbird | tralala: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 08:48.36 | bathat | tralala: as far as i know, it only installed files to two places so it's not bad |
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| 08:48.55 | jbmigel | tralala i expect that to break lots of things before it gets to etch |
| 08:49.01 | tralala | bathat: you don't need to guess make -n install will tell you |
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| 08:49.15 | bathat | tralala: yeah, i looked |
| 08:49.32 | bathat | the only think that is weird is that there is also a /usr/bin/python2.3 |
| 08:49.40 | bathat | in addition, there's a /usr/bin/python |
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| 08:50.18 | tralala | bathat: did you remove the sources after installing? |
| 08:50.32 | bathat | ? |
| 08:51.35 | tralala | nm |
| 08:51.44 | tralala | you'll find your way out |
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| 08:52.38 | nomed^ | umm ... using an udev kernel (no devfs) should i use anyway the /etc/init.d/makedev script anyway? |
| 08:52.38 | bathat | i have removed everything in make -n install so i guess i'm set |
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| 08:53.38 | bathat | oh, /usr/bin/python is 0 bytes |
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| 08:53.44 | nomed^ | erase 'anyway' where you want .. :P |
| 08:53.52 | tarzeau | bathat: it's a symlink |
| 08:53.54 | jm_ | that's a symlink |
| 08:53.58 | jbmigel | so i guess thats "no joy" on my AMD64 security updates then right? |
| 08:54.00 | bathat | tarzeau: aha |
| 08:54.01 | AllKind | lol |
| 08:54.11 | bathat | yes, you're right |
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| 08:54.21 | tarzeau | bathat: i know, you don't have to acknowledge |
| 08:54.34 | simonrvn | IT FINALLY STARTED TO RAIN :) |
| 08:54.47 | AllKind | heh, u'r in spain? |
| 08:54.53 | HcE | Hi! Anybody know if "Command Line" applet on a gnome menu bar is broken in Debian Unstable? I get it up, but I can't type in it. |
| 08:54.57 | snail | what's the command to interactively pick another debian repository? |
| 08:55.03 | tralala | !google debian amd64 security updates |
| 08:55.03 | tarzeau | HcE: WE DON"TT GIVE A SHIT |
| 08:55.04 | ayam | Results for debian amd64 security updates on Google: |
| 08:55.05 | ayam | http://www.<b>debian</b>.org/ports/<b>amd64</b>/ |
| 08:55.05 | ayam | http://www.<b>debian</b>.org/News/weekly/2005/17/ |
| 08:55.05 | ayam | http://lwn.net/Articles/134988/ |
| 08:55.05 | ayam | -- |
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| 08:55.07 | HcE | It works if I have locales nb_NO |
| 08:55.11 | tarzeau | !topicbadger HcE |
| 08:55.14 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that HcE didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 08:55.17 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 08:55.17 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 08:55.19 | dpkg | Google says debian amd64 security updates is at http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ or http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ or http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2005/17/ or http://lwn.net/Articles/134988/ or http://tech.zicos.com/news.php/n/176232/ |
| 08:55.22 | jbmigel | lol thanks for help ayam |
| 08:55.30 | bathat | however, there is still a /usr/local/bin/python |
| 08:55.37 | tarzeau | bathat: that's not of debian |
| 08:55.43 | simonrvn | lemme guess that ayam is a bot |
| 08:55.54 | hejux | ? |
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| 08:55.58 | bathat | well, i removed /usr/local/bin/python2.3, which sc installed |
| 08:56.07 | jbmigel | ayam i have read the docs and configured my sources.list and updated/upgraded and it has failed... can you please google that for me now? |
| 08:56.10 | simonrvn | ok, guess not |
| 08:56.19 | hejux | kicked |
| 08:56.30 | tralala | simonrvn: pretty wild guess, uh? |
| 08:56.46 | bathat | /usr/bin/python2.3 and /usr/local/bin/python are different sizes |
| 08:56.48 | HcE | tarzeau: I fail to see you point |
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| 08:57.16 | bathat | oh, ok it's part of sc... i missed it before |
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| 08:57.34 | Starf^Work | hi where can i locate the boot log? |
| 08:57.37 | Starf^Work | please |
| 08:57.41 | bathat | dmesg |
| 08:57.48 | dbeal | that is not the boot log |
| 08:57.53 | dbeal | :-) |
| 08:57.56 | bathat | oh, wrong one |
| 08:58.00 | simonrvn | tralala: i'm usually right |
| 08:58.02 | bathat | where was it again |
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| 08:58.03 | Starf^Work | the list of the messages shown at boot |
| 08:58.05 | Starf^Work | #:) |
| 08:58.07 | dbeal | good questions |
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| 08:58.18 | dbeal | question |
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| 08:58.27 | giansalvo | Starf^Work: /usr/var/log/messages ? |
| 08:58.41 | tralala | simonrvn: </sarcasm> |
| 08:58.43 | bathat | /var/log |
| 08:58.50 | Starf^Work | checking |
| 08:58.51 | dbeal | well you should know that nothing really gets logged until syslog is started |
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| 08:59.17 | e_mpika_ | hallo |
| 08:59.29 | bathat | giansalvo: there is no /usr/var/log on my system |
| 08:59.41 | giansalvo | bathat: /var/log/messages ? |
| 08:59.45 | bathat | oh sorry, ? |
| 08:59.49 | bathat | missed that |
| 09:00.19 | dbeal | I don't think there's a log of the stuff that flies past on bootup, like during the init scripts. |
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| 09:00.36 | e_mpika_ | ive just done a new debian install yesterday, in my sources list i have 'testing' for normal packages, is this going to be using the new testing? or oldstable? ...testing in my security line doesnt work :S |
| 09:00.37 | dbeal | each service may keep its own log of its startup, though. |
| 09:00.56 | Starf^Work | all my applications are quitting unexpectedly |
| 09:00.57 | azol | hi all, how can i use v92 "modem on hold" under debian. is it possible? |
| 09:00.59 | dbeal | I've actually wondered about this missing init log myself... |
| 09:01.05 | simonrvn | tralala: *grin* |
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| 09:01.17 | sep | e_mpika_: testing dont have security, you must run stable/sarge for that |
| 09:01.29 | cahoot | dbeal: enabled bootlogd? |
| 09:01.38 | e_mpika_ | its always wroked on other installs ive done |
| 09:01.38 | Starf^Work | gnome panel then bug buddy |
| 09:01.39 | snail | what is the name of the base package I need to reconfigure if i want to change my initial configuration settings in sarge? |
| 09:01.39 | dbeal | cahoot, never heard of it |
| 09:01.58 | dbeal | wonder what it does... |
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| 09:02.00 | Starf^Work | going into a permenant crash loop |
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| 09:02.07 | sep | e_mpika_: it have worked in a run up to the release, it's ususaly not in place |
| 09:02.24 | xsE | How do make soo in grub it will fallback to the secound bootoption if the default kernel doesnt boot after like 1-4 mins. |
| 09:02.26 | cahoot | dbeal: look in /etc/default |
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| 09:02.40 | Starf^Work | meh i knew i shouldnt have built this server as a unstable version |
| 09:02.41 | e_mpika_ | why do i still see sarge at: http://security.debian.org/dists/ then? |
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| 09:02.54 | anubis_EOA | morning. can anyone tell me where i can find a good postfix 2.3 debian guide? |
| 09:02.54 | dbeal | cahoot, thanks! |
| 09:03.09 | sep | e_mpika_: becouse sarge = stable |
| 09:03.10 | toonX | if i managed by some effort to install the flavio fglrx driver (all ,kernel module too), why is X using MESA like before ? because MESA does not provide good GL |
| 09:03.12 | drac | e_mpika_: Because Sarge is Stable, and Stable allways have Security updates. |
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| 09:03.26 | e_mpika_ | ah |
| 09:03.27 | e_mpika_ | doh |
| 09:03.28 | sep | e_mpika_: testing=etch now |
| 09:03.36 | e_mpika_ | sure |
| 09:03.38 | e_mpika_ | ok |
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| 09:03.51 | planlos | n1 got experience with installing debian on raid ?! .. it wont detect my raidcontroller ... only with woody3.0 .. but with woody there is no networkcard detected :/ ... i'm stuck pls help |
| 09:04.08 | toonX | or, are there some variables to export in order to have accelerated GL ? |
| 09:04.13 | e_mpika_ | so we get no security updates on etch? that sucks |
| 09:04.15 | toonX | i have no idea |
| 09:04.18 | sep | planlos: is that with the sarge release cd ? have you tried both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels ? |
| 09:04.28 | planlos | both.... both wont detect the controller |
| 09:04.29 | Starf^Work | meh |
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| 09:04.34 | Starf^Work | its only got half the boot |
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| 09:04.38 | planlos | sarge and the unstable |
| 09:04.41 | toonX | and fglrxinfo shows this : OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 09:04.44 | drac | toonX: What does your /var/log/XFree86.0.log say about Direct Rendering? Enabled, or Disabled? |
| 09:04.54 | drac | toonX: And if Disabled, why? It's all there. |
| 09:05.07 | toonX | drac let me check please |
| 09:05.15 | drac | toonX: Ok. |
| 09:05.23 | tralala | planlos: what did google say? |
| 09:05.25 | sep | planlos: i asked if you have tried linux and linux26 boot options on your sarge cd |
| 09:05.34 | toonX | drac (II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled |
| 09:05.39 | planlos | sep , i tried both ... both wont detect it |
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| 09:05.44 | toonX | drac but i still have crappy GL |
| 09:05.47 | drac | toonX: Ok, so X server is OK but problem is in Client side. Now.. |
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| 09:05.56 | toonX | drac agree |
| 09:06.06 | drac | toonX: This command gives you more output: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose fglrxinfo |
| 09:06.12 | drac | toonX: And spits out the actual reason. |
| 09:06.15 | sep | planlos: no biggie, do a debbootstrap install then. |
| 09:06.26 | toonX | drac i'm on it |
| 09:06.27 | planlos | ?! |
| 09:06.32 | tralala | toonX: how did you install the driver? did you follow the howto? |
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| 09:06.43 | sep | planlos: what raid controller is that btw ? |
| 09:06.47 | toonX | tralala yes and it seems to be installed ok |
| 09:07.07 | drac | toonX: You could post whole output of that command to pastebin.com ? |
| 09:07.09 | planlos | onboard promise 20265 |
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| 09:07.31 | toonX | drac yes :) |
| 09:07.40 | sep | planlos: ohh duh, forget i said anything. i'v had nothing but bad experience with promise |
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| 09:08.05 | planlos | lol.. k .. but its funny that the older kernel 24 from woody makes it fine .. but no sarge will do it :/ |
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| 09:09.02 | sep | planlos have you tried modprobing pdc202xx_old manualy on alt+f2 during the install ? |
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| 09:09.11 | toonX | drac http://pastebin.com/299262 |
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| 09:09.14 | tralala | planlos: don't lol. search the google and the bts for the problem |
| 09:09.34 | Starf^Work | noob alert , how you change the password for a user when logged in as root? |
| 09:09.52 | kneet | Starf^Work, man passwd |
| 09:09.57 | Starf^Work | ta |
| 09:09.58 | drac | toonX: Are you running 64bit Debian? |
| 09:10.02 | planlos | google wont help .. thats why i'm here .. |
| 09:10.21 | Starf^Work | and is there any problems with gnome and sid at the moment? |
| 09:10.22 | toonX | drac yes |
| 09:10.39 | jethro | Starf^Work: is there a problem with sid users and reading the BTS at the moment? |
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| 09:10.59 | toonX | drac you think that fglrx_dri.so can be the problem ? |
| 09:11.11 | tralala | !irritate jethro |
| 09:11.12 | tralala | :) |
| 09:11.12 | dpkg | jethro: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd !!!1 |
| 09:11.13 | jethro | :) |
| 09:11.14 | Starf^Work | jethro, i no longer want this box on sid but its a lot of hassle to get the application we using it for back on stable |
| 09:11.29 | kreg | can anyone give me some advise trying to access the courier webadmin tool? |
| 09:11.30 | jethro | Starf^Work: you can't downgrade. why did you run sid in the first place? |
| 09:11.37 | Starf^Work | u know i should have put it on stable in the first place but i didnt have the right disc on me and didnt think this would take off |
| 09:11.40 | hejux | http://debian.okey.net/debian-fonts/ under this dir there are lots of deb,i want to apt-get it ,so how to add it to the source.list ? |
| 09:11.40 | dbeal | to be l33t |
| 09:11.40 | jethro | !u |
| 09:11.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:11.52 | dbeal | :-) |
| 09:11.53 | Starf^Work | uknow i know |
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| 09:11.54 | drac | toonX: Yeah, it's not finding correct .so files.. all related to that and 32bit vs. 64bit. |
| 09:11.54 | Starf^Work | lol |
| 09:11.59 | tralala | !lol |
| 09:11.59 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 09:12.02 | jethro | Starf^Work: this is one of the worse excuses for running sid I've ever heard |
| 09:12.10 | kreg | the box with courier installed doesn't have video. so i'm trying to access it from a neighboring computer on the same lan. however the webadmin tool is rejecting the external ip. where in the world is the configuration to change this? |
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| 09:12.13 | jethro | s/worse/worst/ |
| 09:12.26 | jethro | !d-i Starf^Work |
| 09:12.27 | dpkg | Starf^Work, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:12.30 | hejux | deb http://debian.okey.net/debian-fonts/ ?? |
| 09:12.43 | hejux | hi |
| 09:12.43 | Starf^Work | jethro, yeah i know it now and i got the stable release now, but its too late lol |
| 09:12.44 | dbeal | he's just mad because he never laughs |
| 09:12.51 | hejux | anyone could help ? |
| 09:12.55 | jethro | !aolify Starf^Work |
| 09:13.02 | toonX | drac the truth is that i don't have any dri support for my video card right now, the old dri driver (radeon) wich worked with the old XFree86 4.3 driver "ati" i had to unload from the kernel ,because it's said to generate conflicts with the fglrx |
| 09:13.04 | jethro | Starf^Work: you'd better off reinstalling sarge |
| 09:13.10 | drac | toonX: Do you have /usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so ? And what about /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so ? |
| 09:13.15 | umbop | hmm i am getting /bin/bash: Too many open files in system |
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| 09:13.29 | xsE | How do make soo in grub it will fallback to the secound bootoption if the default kernel doesnt boot after like 1-4 mins. |
| 09:13.31 | Starf^Work | jethro, i did try that at one point but couldnt get the shop working the way it does on the current install |
| 09:13.36 | umbop | what library is responsible for handling the amount of open files? |
| 09:13.48 | jethro | Starf^Work: which shop are you talking about? |
| 09:13.53 | Starf^Work | zencart |
| 09:13.56 | toonX | drac let me check please |
| 09:14.02 | sep | hejux: i saw you paste an url, but did you actualy _ask_ anything ? |
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| 09:14.31 | jm_ | xsE: info grub -> Booting -> Making your system robust |
| 09:14.40 | AllKind | umbop i dont know. maybe too many open file descriptors for the system? lsof is a tool to list all open files. included in debian sarge i think. |
| 09:14.45 | DemonWeeping | did I get gentoo smote? |
| 09:15.05 | toonX | drac this one i have /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so, but lib64 doesn't exist in X11R6 ! |
| 09:15.12 | kreg | recommend a mail server for 2 or 3 accounts? |
| 09:15.29 | Starf^Work | yeah i get a department who normally ask for things and they come to nothing ask me to build them a ecommerce setup and they dont want to spend a penny... so i grab the closest copy of debian which i ummed and arred as it was sid and thought it wont matter they will likely drop it in a month like their other projects |
| 09:15.36 | Maliuta | kreg: sendmail |
| 09:15.42 | DemonWeeping | oh |
| 09:15.49 | kreg | Maliuta, how about someting easier to configure |
| 09:15.52 | Starf^Work | but they didnt, and now its causing me grief lol |
| 09:16.04 | AllKind | exim4? |
| 09:16.04 | sep | kreg: how about just sticking with debians default ? |
| 09:16.07 | kreg | sendmail still speaks ancient hebrew |
| 09:16.12 | Maliuta | kreg: sendmail is easy to conf |
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| 09:16.22 | Starf^Work | sendmail meh |
| 09:16.26 | Starf^Work | having problems with that |
| 09:16.28 | Maliuta | I love sendmail |
| 09:16.29 | drac | toonX: What if you create that directory, lib64/modules/dri there and copy that missing file there (and run 'ldconfig') ? Btw, no need to restart X, just run that command again.. |
| 09:16.39 | Starf^Work | it was working fine but now its not |
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| 09:16.56 | Starf^Work | think its something to do with relaying according to the error logs i am seeing |
| 09:17.03 | kreg | i guess i just still don't know how to install a mail service. |
| 09:17.04 | toonX | drac sounds good, one moment please |
| 09:17.12 | kreg | they all confuse me |
| 09:17.27 | beck | has someone here ever worked with debian in vmware using shared directories? |
| 09:17.36 | sep | kreg: debian comes with exim as default, just use that configure it as you want. |
| 09:17.38 | hejux | sep :under this ulr: http://debian.okey.net/debian-fonts/ there are a lot of deb files ,i want use apt-get tool to install them ,how to write in source.list ? |
| 09:18.02 | kreg | sep okee thank you |
| 09:18.35 | toonX | drac you good! |
| 09:18.37 | sep | beck: explain what you mean with shared directories ? nfs ? |
| 09:18.41 | toonX | drac check the paste |
| 09:19.11 | drac | Hm? |
| 09:19.13 | AllKind | vmware has a shared folders option. |
| 09:19.20 | beck | i mean the vmware own method of shared directories, not samba |
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| 09:19.31 | drac | toonX: Ah, it works. |
| 09:19.33 | toonX | drac http://pastebin.com/299264 |
| 09:19.40 | toonX | drac yep dude |
| 09:19.44 | AllKind | no idea if they work in linux... check vmware site. |
| 09:19.46 | hejux | sep: did you see what i asked ? |
| 09:20.05 | beck | i already did... have installed vmware tools... |
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| 09:20.20 | toonX | drac thank you verry much ! |
| 09:20.29 | AllKind | hejux: deb http://url.you.want/debian dist main contrib |
| 09:20.42 | beck | but cant mount the folder automatically |
| 09:21.07 | AllKind | beck: yes, check vmware site. they have faq. |
| 09:21.11 | toonX | drac got true GL now! thanks again buddy |
| 09:21.14 | sep | beck: you mount automaticaly using fstqab or autofs |
| 09:21.20 | sep | !folder |
| 09:21.21 | dpkg | i guess folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 09:22.00 | beck | using /etc/fstab |
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| 09:22.51 | drac | toonX: np |
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| 09:23.56 | umbop | is there a way to see what particular program is using a load of open files handles? |
| 09:24.09 | xsE | How do make soo in grub it will fallback to the secound bootoption if the default kernel doesnt boot after like 1-4 mins. |
| 09:24.18 | umbop | i.e. i the kernel can't handle anymore file handles to be open, so i need to find out what program is responsible for draining them all |
| 09:24.28 | AllKind | umbop: i think lsof does that also. |
| 09:24.31 | tralala | umbop: fuser, lsof |
| 09:24.49 | umbop | yes i know of lsof but i can't find int he man page a list to see which program, only listing them all and it loops round so it ends up quite mad |
| 09:24.54 | umbop | not to worry i'll suss it out |
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| 09:25.28 | toonX | drac now how can i get this module readeon not to load itself into kernel after reboot ? it's not in /etc/modules |
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| 09:26.56 | drac | toonX: add 'radeon' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, and add 'fglrx' to /etc/modules |
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| 09:27.20 | toonX | drac on it , thank you |
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| 09:28.35 | puku | can someone tell me where i can find kernel update for debian? |
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| 09:29.35 | Jhair | puku: www.kernel.org, configure, build and install and you are done |
| 09:29.57 | sep | puku: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 09:30.15 | puku | thanks Jhair,sep |
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| 09:30.40 | blu | what's the difference between Ubuntu and Debian ? If I can install Debian on my own, what does Ubuntu buy me? |
| 09:30.59 | petemc | blu: best off asking that in #ubuntu |
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| 09:31.45 | blu | petemc: it's a symmetric question |
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| 09:32.24 | peterS | blu: well, they're more likely than we are to know the differences |
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| 09:32.37 | peterS | blu: since debian is not yet derived from ubuntu |
| 09:32.45 | puku | how can i unpak the bz2 format ? |
| 09:32.49 | Jhair | blu: some claim ubuntu is a Debian fork, there are different possitions about this, see http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.general/82415 |
| 09:32.55 | peterS | puku: bunzip2 |
| 09:32.57 | Empty | puku, numzip2 |
| 09:33.02 | Empty | err bunzip2 |
| 09:33.48 | Empty | peterS, I blame the laptop keyboard |
| 09:34.01 | peterS | it's a poor workman who blames his tools (: |
| 09:34.30 | blu | Jhair: I wish someone would fork Ubuntu and name it better |
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| 09:34.42 | Jhair | blu: he he |
| 09:34.47 | Empty | peterS, Poor workmen dont have tools |
| 09:34.53 | peterS | blu: what you need is a debian derivative recompiled and optimized for your machine. Ubuntoo. |
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| 09:35.33 | cusco | lol |
| 09:35.42 | cusco | I was using dubuntu |
| 09:35.45 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 09:35.46 | Starf^Work | am i right in thinking you can only have one mail server installed ? |
| 09:35.50 | cusco | then I feel I needed a change |
| 09:35.59 | simonrvn | duhbuntu |
| 09:36.00 | blu | peterS: that would be DDRAOFYM |
| 09:36.01 | cusco | and 3 days ago I installed sarge |
| 09:36.02 | peterS | Starf^Work: yes, it needs to include /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 09:36.07 | cusco | ubuntu that was |
| 09:36.07 | simonrvn | (sorry :) |
| 09:36.23 | peterS | Starf^Work: clearly only one package can be /usr/sbin/sendmail at a time, so.. |
| 09:36.26 | puku | so ... i donl;oaded the kernel 2.4.31 from kernel.org ... i unpacked it with bunzip2 .... and now ? (i'm a beginner) :) |
| 09:36.28 | Empty | Starf^Work, you can have many installed but only one on any given port |
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| 09:36.49 | Starf^Work | how can i check which one is using the port 25? |
| 09:36.57 | Starf^Work | telnet into 25 innnit |
| 09:36.57 | Starf^Work | :) |
| 09:37.06 | Empty | Starf^Work, that or lsof |
| 09:37.09 | peterS | Starf^Work: yeah, there are ways around this but nobody cares enough to make it possible to install multiple MTAs. who would want to? |
| 09:37.10 | Starf^Work | lsof |
| 09:37.11 | Starf^Work | ? |
| 09:37.18 | simonrvn | well, i'll chance building oldap 2.3.4 here on this lame-ass slow p2/350 |
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| 09:37.26 | Starf^Work | i think i have multiple but only want to use sendmail |
| 09:37.30 | Empty | peterS, I have two installed on all my production boxes |
| 09:37.38 | peterS | Empty: whatever for? |
| 09:37.49 | Jhair | doesn't the debian alternatives system work with mailservers? |
| 09:37.54 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:37.58 | Empty | peterS, I have a neutered exim so Debian does not screw with my qmail install |
| 09:38.04 | mort_ | Starf^Work: netstat -plunt? |
| 09:38.08 | peterS | Jhair: no it does not. it could be made to work, but who would want it, other than Empty? |
| 09:38.20 | sanxiyn | Empty: Heh. |
| 09:38.24 | peterS | Empty: what you need is the 'equivs' package, then |
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| 09:38.44 | puku | so ... i donl;oaded the kernel 2.4.31 from kernel.org ... i unpacked it with bunzip2 .... and now ? (i'm a beginner) :) |
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| 09:38.52 | jbmigel | there should be a law against giving gnomes /oFire |
| 09:38.56 | peterS | Empty: ...to create a dummy package with 'Provides: mail-transfer-agent' |
| 09:39.03 | coywolf | what's the tool called to extract comment from source code? |
| 09:39.10 | puku | can someone pls tell me ? |
| 09:39.13 | Jhair | peterS: I don't know but with the alternatives system _one_ alternative is say, active at time, so with mailservers there would not be conflicts at runtime, if I understand correctly |
| 09:39.19 | petemc | coywolf: doxygen? |
| 09:39.20 | mort_ | coywolf: grep -v ^# |
| 09:39.23 | peterS | coywolf: there are a lot. doxygen is one, noweb is another |
| 09:39.32 | sanxiyn | javadoc |
| 09:39.41 | coywolf | petemc, mort_ peterS java has one |
| 09:39.46 | peterS | Jhair: yes but the question remains - of what use is this? |
| 09:39.49 | drac | puku: You really don't want to ask here about compiling the whole kernel.. Google a howto instead, with keywords "make-kpkg debian custom kernel" instead. |
| 09:39.50 | jbmigel | puku you want your own kernel? |
| 09:39.59 | coywolf | sanxiyn, is the command called javadoc? |
| 09:40.02 | Starf^Work | ok sendmail is listening on 25 and 587 on localhost |
| 09:40.04 | sanxiyn | coywolf: Yes. |
| 09:40.06 | simonrvn | puku: conf it; build it; visit newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 09:40.09 | peterS | Jhair: you could hack exim4, postfix, ssmtp, etc. to do this but why would anyone bother? |
| 09:40.11 | coywolf | sanxiyn, is perldoc similar to javadoc? |
| 09:40.20 | Empty | peterS thanks a ton I will in\vestigate |
| 09:40.32 | Empty | no more dpkg-divert and update-rc.d nonsense |
| 09:40.32 | sanxiyn | coywolf: perldoc is using POD, but apart from that, yes. |
| 09:40.33 | Jhair | peterS: well I am out of examples now... he he... |
| 09:40.48 | coywolf | sanxiyn, what is javadoc using? |
| 09:40.56 | sanxiyn | coywolf: javadoc :-) |
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| 09:41.02 | sanxiyn | coywolf: a documentation format named javadoc. |
| 09:41.12 | sanxiyn | coywolf: man javadoc to find out more. |
| 09:41.15 | coywolf | sanxiyn, sorry, i mean what is perldoc using? |
| 09:41.18 | Starf^Work | i presume i can send a mail to a recipient fromt he console using sendmail command? |
| 09:41.38 | coywolf | sanxiyn, thanks |
| 09:41.41 | Jhair | Starf^Work: mail, nail ccommands should do it |
| 09:41.51 | sanxiyn | coywolf: Plain Old Documentation. |
| 09:41.51 | tralala | !tell sanxiyn about enter |
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| 09:42.33 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 09:42.46 | d0uglas | does the latest installer on deb dot org/devel/debian-installer/ allow you to get as "bleeding edge" as one can be at this point? |
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| 09:43.16 | d0uglas | and when etch comes out, will a simple modification of the sources.list and an apt-get update/grade take care of it? |
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| 09:43.36 | simonrvn | um. /topic |
| 09:43.44 | d0uglas | shit sorry simon |
| 09:43.46 | Starf^Work | whats the difference between the sendmailconfig file in sbin and the sendmail.cf file in etc/mail? |
| 09:43.54 | d0uglas | i'm just scared |
| 09:44.00 | ChristianP | i'm trying to install winetool2,but running it, the terminal says: Gtk-WARNING **: Impossible to find module: "libsmooth.so", and then wt2 starts, but i can do nothing. What package i need to install this module? |
| 09:44.07 | wolaopa | i just discovered that php is very intolerant of white space. anyone experienced that? |
| 09:44.32 | petemc | Starf^Work: sendmail in sbin is a binary |
| 09:44.44 | tralala | Starf^Work: diff /sbin/sendmailconfig /etc/mail/sendmail.cf |
| 09:44.48 | sanxiyn | ChristianP: You need gtk2-engines-smooth |
| 09:44.52 | Starf^Work | k |
| 09:45.00 | sanxiyn | ChristianP: You could use apt-file or packages.debian.org. |
| 09:45.07 | Starf^Work | they are very different in content but does it use both configs? |
| 09:45.13 | ChristianP | thanks sanxiyn |
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| 09:45.23 | sanxiyn | ChristianP: What is winetool2? |
| 09:45.29 | Stereo | hi everyone |
| 09:45.44 | wolaopa | i have downloaded a .zip file. how to unzip it? |
| 09:45.51 | sanxiyn | wolaopa: With unzip. |
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| 09:45.55 | Jhair | wolaopa: surprise surprise |
| 09:46.00 | receptor | hi |
| 09:46.05 | Stereo | I have a hard disk with an apple partition table. My kernel doesn't support it. Is there any way I can convert it and not recompile the whole nine yards? |
| 09:46.10 | ChristianP | sanxiyn, i have to use it to run IE |
| 09:46.18 | receptor | !limits.conf |
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| 09:46.23 | sanxiyn | ChristianP: IIRC, plain WINE can run IE now. |
| 09:46.28 | wolaopa | interesting, i just found out there is no unzip, in my system. |
| 09:46.30 | Starf^Work | basically i have a program called zencart that is meant to be using sendmail to send emails out to users and to the shop admin, and they dont seem to be going out |
| 09:46.38 | sanxiyn | ChristianP: You don't need hairy "installer" and all workarounds any more. |
| 09:46.41 | d0uglas | sanxiyn: but can it run the partypoker client |
| 09:46.42 | simonrvn | wolaopa: so install it |
| 09:46.43 | d0uglas | that is the question |
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| 09:46.54 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 09:46.54 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 09:46.55 | sanxiyn | d0uglas: How can I know? Check Wine AppDB. |
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| 09:47.15 | d0uglas | all right don't get testy |
| 09:47.17 | ChristianP | sanxiyn, i think is a wine configuration problem, but i can't start no .exe with wine |
| 09:47.25 | petemc | Starf^Work: it likely just needs a sendmail compatible mta, if you're using debian and havent done much customization, that'll be exim |
| 09:47.32 | receptor | where can i find a tutor or howto on configuring limits.conf? |
| 09:47.34 | wolaopa | simonvrn, there is such a package? because i thought with gunzip, this unzip is obsolete. |
| 09:47.37 | d0uglas | not like i asked if the aol client setup would work |
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| 09:47.45 | Gargoyle | Hello |
| 09:47.50 | peterS | wolaopa: gunzip and unzip do different things |
| 09:47.59 | simonrvn | wolaopa: you thought wrong. |
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| 09:48.02 | Starf^Work | petemc, i replaced exim with sendmail |
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| 09:48.08 | peterS | wolaopa: they deal with .gz and .zip files. you can't use gunzip for both, unless the .zip file only has one member in it |
| 09:48.10 | Gargoyle | Is there a way I can remount my usb drive so that I have rw permission, not root? |
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| 09:48.15 | petemc | Starf^Work: you're keen |
| 09:48.26 | Starf^Work | petemc, as you said it needed sendmail |
| 09:48.40 | sep | Gargoyle: only if your fstab file have a users or user flag for that device |
| 09:48.41 | simonrvn | um, sendmail is also a generic name |
| 09:48.42 | petemc | Starf^Work: i said sendmail _compatible_ |
| 09:48.46 | wolaopa | peterS, no, gunzip can't unzip .zip. |
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| 09:49.09 | Starf^Work | petemc, no it specifies sendmail or smtp as options |
| 09:49.13 | sanxiyn | Yes. All packages providing mail-transport-agent in Debian is (in some specific way, see Policy) sendmail-compatible. |
| 09:49.14 | peterS | wolaopa: at one time in the past it could. but only if the .zip has a single file in it. they may have removed this support since it is basically useless |
| 09:49.16 | Gargoyle | sep, It's not in fstab, can I do it with the mount command? |
| 09:49.23 | sanxiyn | Starf^Work: No it doesn't. |
| 09:49.29 | Starf^Work | sanxiyn, you use zencart? |
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| 09:49.39 | sep | Gargoyle: you must be root in some way, wither with sudo mount, or make a script and suid that |
| 09:49.53 | sanxiyn | Starf^Work: Well, I am quite sure it doesn't require sendmail specifically. I know nothing about zencart though. |
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| 09:49.59 | wolaopa | anyway, i should install 'zip' and 'unzip' will come with it? |
| 09:50.02 | Gargoyle | Yeah, I have root access - that's how I got it to mount. |
| 09:50.05 | sep | Gargoyle: perhaps hotplug might do that for you if you configure it correctly,. but i havent studies hotplug yet |
| 09:50.06 | Starf^Work | Defines if this server uses a local connection to sendmail or uses an SMTP connection via TCP/IP. |
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| 09:50.23 | sep | Gargoyle: you specified not root. |
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| 09:50.27 | sanxiyn | wolaopa: If you don't use apt-get, yes. |
| 09:50.35 | sanxiyn | wolaopa: apt-get doesn't pull Recommends:. |
| 09:50.43 | peterS | wolaopa: zip and unzip are separate debian packages. you can install one without the other if you wish |
| 09:50.49 | try_catch_this | by anychance anyone here use gimp? |
| 09:50.50 | sep | Gargoyle: if the only problem is remounting as rw, then it's mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint |
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| 09:51.03 | peterS | wolaopa: normally you do want both - they're not large packages |
| 09:51.05 | Jhair | Gargoyle: I had such problem with my digicam (USB) - only root could download stuff from the camera. It was fixed installing hotplug. |
| 09:51.22 | wolaopa | peterS, sanxiyn, thks, off to install. |
| 09:51.24 | sanxiyn | Starf^Work: Yes, and that means it is looking for working /usr/sbin/sendmail, which all MTA in Debian provides. |
| 09:51.35 | Starf^Work | is there a log file for errors that sendmail has generated? |
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| 09:52.03 | Starf^Work | as zencart says it sent successfully so i am assuming thte prob is between sendmail and other mailserver |
| 09:52.06 | peterS | Starf^Work: /var/log/mail.log |
| 09:52.06 | Draconicus | Floppies won't mount. "mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified". Of all things... floppies? |
| 09:52.16 | peterS | Starf^Work: also try running 'mailq' |
| 09:52.31 | ChristianP | sanxiyn, can you give me your wine configuration file? |
| 09:52.38 | Gargoyle | sep, Jhair: Thanks, I added it to /etc/fstab with the user option! :) |
| 09:52.59 | Jhair | Draconicus: floppy support should by in the kernel |
| 09:53.02 | Eulex | Draconicus: what kind of floppy drive and what kind of floppy? |
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| 09:53.13 | sanxiyn | ChristianP: I don't have one now... I used to use winesetup-generated one, with a very few irrelevant modifications. |
| 09:53.15 | simonrvn | mailq also works with both postfix and exim, which i found surprising when i tried it on one of the boxen with postfix on it |
| 09:53.22 | sanxiyn | apt-get install winesetup and winesetup. |
| 09:53.27 | Starf^Work | peterS, whats mailq? |
| 09:53.40 | peterS | Starf^Work: run it and see |
| 09:53.50 | Draconicus | Eulex: 3.5" floppy... is detail really needed? It's a common floppy. o_O |
| 09:54.32 | sanxiyn | peterS: Eh, mailq needs superuser permission? |
| 09:54.33 | Eulex | Draconicus: what I meant was ide vs usb floppy drive and ext3 vs vfat floppy |
| 09:54.46 | ChristianP | sanxiyn, ok, i try, thanks |
| 09:54.49 | Draconicus | Oh.. |
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| 09:54.52 | peterS | sanxiyn: depends on your MTA. postfix mailq runs without root |
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| 09:54.54 | Starf^Work | peterS, doesnt do any damage as this is a production server |
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| 09:54.59 | sanxiyn | Ah, okay. |
| 09:55.00 | Draconicus | Eulex: I'd imagine IDE vfat. |
| 09:55.13 | peterS | Starf^Work: you know, you could always RTFM or something, to find out what something will do |
| 09:55.13 | simonrvn | exim's has a setting for admin users that can see the mail queue |
| 09:55.14 | sanxiyn | It lists contents of mail queue. |
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| 09:55.25 | Draconicus | Maybe ext3. |
| 09:55.25 | Eulex | Draconicus: ok, and what command are you using to moun it? |
| 09:55.32 | Eulex | *mount |
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| 09:56.13 | Eulex | Draconicus: and are there any entry in fstab for it? |
| 09:56.19 | Starf^Work | i could but its so much quicker when you have friendly people telling you |
| 09:56.48 | sanxiyn | Oh, let's not answer Starf^Work then. :-) |
| 09:56.53 | Starf^Work | lol |
| 09:56.54 | Starf^Work | :( |
| 09:56.59 | Draconicus | Eulex: mount /dev/fd0 : 'mount: you must specify the filesystem type' And yes. |
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| 09:57.11 | Gargoyle | What's the php4 meta-package? phpmyadmin want's tp install it, but I already have the apache2 php module installed? |
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| 09:57.31 | AllKind | php4 |
| 09:57.41 | peterS | Gargoyle: it is just a metapackage that pulls in libapache-mod-php4 or the equivalent for other servers |
| 09:58.12 | Starf^Work | for some reason sendmail seems to be trying to contact the mailserver responsible for sending email for that domain and trying to relay through it |
| 09:58.13 | Gargoyle | ahh |
| 09:58.15 | Gargoyle | :) |
| 09:58.57 | Starf^Work | no hang on |
| 09:58.59 | Eulex | Draconicus: try mount -t type /dev/fd0 mountpoint |
| 09:59.20 | Starf^Work | for some reason sendmail seems to be trying to contact the mailserver responsible for receiving email for the domain i am sending to and trying to relay through it rather than deliver it |
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| 09:59.31 | Draconicus | Eulex: What mountpoint? |
| 09:59.42 | Eulex | Draconicus: where type is vfat/ext3 and mountpoint is where in the filesystem you want it |
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| 09:59.51 | AllKind | i.e /mnt/floppy |
| 09:59.57 | Draconicus | Ah. |
| 09:59.58 | Draconicus | Right. |
| 10:00.03 | mikaEL` | why doesn't exist the Eclipse IDE package for Debian ?? |
| 10:00.35 | Draconicus | mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device |
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| 10:00.59 | Draconicus | Well, whatever. I'll mess with this later today. I have to relax this morning. |
| 10:01.03 | Jhair | mikaEL`: it'is in contrib, unstable |
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| 10:01.11 | Draconicus | Thanks for the help. |
| 10:01.23 | Jhair | mikaEL`: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=eclipse&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
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| 10:01.38 | asperon-work | is there any simple way to make sure that my nfs shares are working? |
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| 10:02.02 | Eulex | Draconicus: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy works great for me |
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| 10:02.08 | Jhair | asperon-work: try to write to them, if everything gets messed NFS is working fine. |
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| 10:02.10 | ben_ | so mutt/ncurses breakage is known about on sid? |
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| 10:02.25 | ben_ | I can't see anything in bts about it |
| 10:02.28 | asperon-work | Jhair: write to them how? |
| 10:02.42 | nostalg1c | is it normal that /proc isn't world readable anymore after 3.0->3.1 upgrade ? |
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| 10:02.58 | nostalg1c | and if so how do i fix that? my identd seems to have stopped working |
| 10:03.04 | peterS | nostalg1c: no, that's not normal. usually this indicates that you're using a grsec kernel, or selinux kernel, or something |
| 10:03.13 | nostalg1c | yes, grsec |
| 10:03.17 | Jhair | asperon-work: oh no! just ignore my comment. write to an NFS partition has been pretty buggy for ages |
| 10:03.22 | nostalg1c | but i can't remember having these problems before |
| 10:03.23 | peterS | nostalg1c: well, take it up with your grsec tools |
| 10:03.25 | Gargoyle | do I need to manually add a site (vhost) file for phpmyadmin? |
| 10:04.10 | jethro | nostalg1c: if you have CONFIG_GRKERNSEC_PROC_*=y it's normal |
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| 10:05.19 | asperon-work | is there any way to get nfs to log access or something like that so i can see read atempts |
| 10:05.22 | Loevborg | is there a program to search in text files like this: "word1 near word2"? |
| 10:05.37 | jethro | Loevborg: man grep |
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| 10:05.57 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah just feed the output of one grep to the input of another ;) |
| 10:06.04 | peterS | jethro: that's not very helpful. grep is line-oriented, it won't do what he wants if the two words are on adjacent lines |
| 10:06.18 | Triffid_Hunter | peterS: grep -B1 -A1 ? |
| 10:06.36 | jethro | peterS: grep does multiline, and the question wasn't very helpful either. |
| 10:06.42 | peterS | Triffid_Hunter: or just grep -1, but you still have to run two instances of grep to do this |
| 10:06.44 | Jhair | Triffid_Hunter: that's *still* line-oriented |
| 10:06.50 | jethro | peterS: feel free to give more info if you have more to give. I don't. |
| 10:07.05 | Triffid_Hunter | well it all depends on the definition of "near" |
| 10:07.31 | dbeal | near means not far |
| 10:07.45 | peterS | near means 16-bit |
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| 10:07.54 | jethro | Triffid_Hunter: indeed. people should know how to ask, if they want a useful answer. |
| 10:07.56 | peterS | just ask anyone familiar with msdos memory models and pointers |
| 10:08.00 | Triffid_Hunter | lol peterS that depends on arch ;) |
| 10:08.18 | Triffid_Hunter | in m68hc11 it would mean 8 bit if the term was used ;) |
| 10:08.24 | dbeal | i mostly pity people familiar with msdos memory models |
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| 10:08.33 | peterS | dbeal: yeah really |
| 10:08.41 | Triffid_Hunter | msdos memory hacktogethers more like? |
| 10:08.46 | Eulex | dbeal: haha |
| 10:08.49 | simonrvn | x86 memory models makes me shudder |
| 10:08.54 | simonrvn | model* |
| 10:08.58 | Loevborg | jethro, how do you want me to make it more precise? |
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| 10:09.12 | jethro | Loevborg: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 10:09.26 | Triffid_Hunter | Loevborg: define what "near" means in whatever context you're using |
| 10:09.43 | Loevborg | I'm looking for something like "find occurrances of word1 within less than 10 words distance of word2, ignoring line boundaries" |
| 10:09.57 | jethro | Loevborg: this is much better now. |
| 10:09.57 | Triffid_Hunter | i'd use perl for that |
| 10:10.02 | asperon-work | is there any simple way to make sure that my nfs shares are working? or any way to view requests etc to NFS, to see if a client is trying to access it? |
| 10:10.03 | jethro | so would I. |
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| 10:10.38 | Loevborg | it's difficult with perlre though, I was looking for something pre-built. |
| 10:11.07 | asperon-work | could do that with a regexp and grep to, right? |
| 10:11.08 | Triffid_Hunter | perl -e 'local undef $/; while (<>) { print $1 if /\b(word1\b\s+\S+\s+\bword2\b)/; }' |
| 10:11.10 | Triffid_Hunter | ;) |
| 10:11.13 | jethro | asperon-work: yes. |
| 10:11.24 | umbop | hmm is it natural for swapd to have 2177 open files? |
| 10:11.26 | Triffid_Hunter | bleh actually |
| 10:11.34 | intension | it might also be usefull to get to know grep Loevborg |
| 10:11.41 | Triffid_Hunter | perl -e 'local undef $/; while (<>) { print $1 if /\b(word1\b\s+(\S+\s+){,10}\bword2\b)/; }' < file |
| 10:11.52 | Triffid_Hunter | try that |
| 10:12.16 | jethro | Triffid_Hunter: this doesn't make sense to most people in here. perl one liners are too cryptic. |
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| 10:12.27 | sanxiyn | Triffid_Hunter: Does it ignore line boundary, as Loevborg said? |
| 10:12.39 | Loevborg | jethro, no it's okay, but it doesnt do multiline matches. |
| 10:12.49 | dbeal | loevborg, would it be too much trouble to run it through tr '\n' ' ' first? |
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| 10:12.56 | jethro | Loevborg: it's just a matter of using the appropriate switches to m// |
| 10:13.01 | sanxiyn | dbeal: Good idea. |
| 10:13.02 | Triffid_Hunter | hehe it says "find an occurrence of word1, with some spaces after, then 0 or more occurences of some non-space and some space, followed by word2, then print it out" |
| 10:13.03 | Jhair | jethro: as long it works, who cares if is cryptic or not for some people.. |
| 10:13.17 | Triffid_Hunter | man perlretut ;) |
| 10:13.22 | sanxiyn | Traffixxx: print it out, line by line. |
| 10:13.24 | Triffid_Hunter | or perldoc perlretut rather |
| 10:13.25 | dbeal | of course you lose line numbers then. |
| 10:13.27 | sanxiyn | Oops, wrong target. |
| 10:13.33 | jethro | Jhair: I like to understand what's being done. I wouldn't advertise the use of commands you blindly cut&paste in your terminal. |
| 10:13.43 | sanxiyn | Oh no. |
| 10:13.45 | sanxiyn | $/ :( |
| 10:13.49 | jethro | Jhair: since these commands could be trojaned AND cryptic, and you wouldn't notice. |
| 10:13.50 | Triffid_Hunter | Loevborg: it does do multiline matches actually |
| 10:13.58 | sanxiyn | Yeah, I forgot about $/. |
| 10:14.05 | Jhair | jethro: well if you read the perl documentation then the snipped will not be that cryptic as you thought |
| 10:14.08 | Triffid_Hunter | Loevborg: its just that some symbols' default meanings are optimised for single lines |
| 10:14.12 | Jhair | s/snipped/snippet |
| 10:14.33 | jethro | Jhair: did I say I wasn't able to read that? I said the average joe asking #debian for basic problem would not. |
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| 10:14.37 | dbeal | thank goodness I'm beginning to learn perl |
| 10:14.38 | sanxiyn | Triffid_Hunter: Where can I read about Perl's special vars |
| 10:14.46 | Triffid_Hunter | Loevborg: /../s means . includes newlines, and /../m means that ^ and $ match start and end of line, rather than string |
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| 10:14.53 | jethro | Jhair: for the record, I use perl everyday. |
| 10:14.57 | Triffid_Hunter | sanxiyn: perldoc perlre... |
| 10:15.03 | dbeal | I actually could understand triffid_hunter's umm, expression (if i wanted to). |
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| 10:15.06 | umbop | perldoc perlvar |
| 10:15.17 | sanxiyn | Triffid_Hunter: No, nothing there... |
| 10:15.19 | Triffid_Hunter | oh special vars in general |
| 10:15.20 | umbop | $/ would be the delimiter usually new line, but setting to undef will read it all in |
| 10:15.20 | sanxiyn | umbop: Thanks |
| 10:15.21 | Loevborg | Triffid_Hunter, it doesn't work, and it's hard to debug if you're not a regex guru. |
| 10:15.28 | Jhair | jethro: fair enough, I am talking more about folks who find the stuff cryptic |
| 10:15.30 | umbop | though you could just use /m |
| 10:15.34 | umbop | in the regex match |
| 10:15.37 | Triffid_Hunter | $/ is a list of line separators.. defaults to "\n" |
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| 10:15.48 | simonrvn | did i just suddenly drop into #perl? |
| 10:16.02 | jethro | Jhair: do you really think they're going to read perldretut? most of them don't even read manpages, or info pages, or howtos. |
| 10:16.02 | dbeal | you have been elevated into #perl |
| 10:16.04 | umbop | anyway, is it normal for swapd to have 2177 open file handles? |
| 10:16.05 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: It seems. |
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| 10:16.08 | Triffid_Hunter | Loevborg: read some docs then, as regex is perfectly suited to solving your problem simply |
| 10:16.09 | jethro | s/ldr/lr |
| 10:16.18 | simonrvn | i'm already *in* #perl ;) |
| 10:16.43 | Jhair | jethro: then they should't administrate their system but hire someone who knows how to do it :) |
| 10:16.43 | dbeal | someone's in a perl jam |
| 10:16.53 | dbeal | Woh woh woh |
| 10:17.05 | umbop | hmm |
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| 10:17.16 | _Blacky_ | Gal kas ish jusu shnekate lietuvishkai??????? |
| 10:17.17 | Loevborg | Triffid_Hunter, alright. thanks *sigh* |
| 10:17.17 | _Blacky_ | Gal kas ish jusu shnekate lietuvishkai??????? |
| 10:17.23 | jethro | !ganjasmite simonrvn |
| 10:17.25 | simonrvn | yeh, ok... |
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| 10:17.27 | cbr | no, nobody speaks lithuanian |
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| 10:17.43 | simonrvn | *bong* |
| 10:17.49 | jethro | :) |
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| 10:18.00 | Triffid_Hunter | Loevborg: regex is _designed_ to 'describe' things like 'a particular word, ten or less of any words, then another particular word' |
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| 10:18.05 | simonrvn | oh wonderful... |
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| 10:18.38 | _Blacky_ | kas gero cia pas jus?>?? |
| 10:18.53 | tralala | !english |
| 10:18.53 | jethro | _Blacky_: english please |
| 10:18.53 | dpkg | methinks english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or see #debian-en |
| 10:18.54 | intension | Loevborg also flex is suitable for your task |
| 10:18.55 | sanxiyn | Triffid_Hunter: Then why your solution is ugly. |
| 10:19.01 | sanxiyn | intension: Heh. |
| 10:19.08 | kneet | what package for opening/converting cgm files? |
| 10:19.25 | anubis_EOA | can anyone tell me if BerkleyDB is already used by Debian for access lookups or weather it needs to be installed? |
| 10:19.38 | simonrvn | english should be renamed to common, since it has almost no relation to its origins anymore |
| 10:19.52 | intension | good point |
| 10:19.55 | simonrvn | anubis_EOA: wtf? |
| 10:20.20 | anubis_EOA | somonrn: Berkley DB -- db4, the postfix virtualhosting guide uses it |
| 10:20.27 | simonrvn | and i think you want 'whether' not 'weather' |
| 10:20.35 | Triffid_Hunter | sanxiyn: it is? i thought it was quite concise, considering its doing a fairly specific task in a quite general programming language.. |
| 10:20.44 | simonrvn | anubis_EOA: yes, and? |
| 10:20.51 | simonrvn | so install it... |
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| 10:21.03 | petemc | its likely installed already, libdb4.0 |
| 10:21.08 | atholas | When I do startx in sarge, I got a series of warning message about font renderer already registered at priority 0. How can I fix this? |
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| 10:21.14 | anubis_EOA | :-) |
| 10:21.17 | simonrvn | libdb4.x |
| 10:21.21 | jm_ | atholas: ignore it |
| 10:21.32 | simonrvn | i'd use 4.2 or 4.3 (preferably 4.2) |
| 10:21.47 | Loevborg | intension, I guess some sophisticated full-text search engine would do it easier (à la lucene). |
| 10:21.52 | sanxiyn | kneet: I have no idea, but quick google search points to RALCGM. |
| 10:21.57 | atholas | jm_: I'm not quite sure if it is casuing trouble, but I saw the X window system with the cursor for a split of a second, and then it returns me to console. |
| 10:21.57 | sanxiyn | kneet: http://www.agocg.ac.uk/train/cgm/ralcgm.htm |
| 10:22.05 | tralala | atholas: *don't* fix things that work |
| 10:22.10 | sanxiyn | It doesn't seem to have a package in Debian. |
| 10:22.11 | anubis_EOA | simoonvrn: k ill download 2, and the file with lib is the actual install file? |
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| 10:22.18 | simonrvn | atholas: read the log for the actual problem |
| 10:22.30 | intension | Loevborg could be |
| 10:22.41 | kneet | Was getting errors from ImageMagick about ralcgm - am just looking thru their FTP server :) |
| 10:22.59 | kneet | Would be nice if I could open it |
| 10:23.13 | Eulex | I've got a bit of problem with apt-file... I've gotten curl (which is needed, but ain't in the deps) and I've run apt-file update |
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| 10:23.41 | Eulex | and then I've tried using it on 4 files in my /usr/lib directory, and it does just find the origin of 1 of them |
| 10:23.43 | jm_ | atholas: that's another problem, check ~/.xsession-errors or do startx &> foo and check file foo |
| 10:23.46 | atholas | simonrvn: the messages in the log seems normal, the less thing recorded are those font renderer error messages. |
| 10:24.09 | sanxiyn | Eulex: Hm. |
| 10:24.28 | simonrvn | atholas: look for EE |
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| 10:24.45 | Eulex | it does just seem to know about the contents of some of the package on my system |
| 10:24.53 | webuadata | What is the command to install a desktop environment? |
| 10:24.58 | webuadata | apt-get install x-server-? |
| 10:25.03 | Eulex | apt-file list libfaac0 gives a nice list |
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| 10:25.12 | Triffid_Hunter | webuadata: try xserver-xorg |
| 10:25.12 | yaboo | is x.org default with debian? |
| 10:25.14 | drac | webuadata: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 10:25.14 | tralala | webuadata: apt-get install kde |
| 10:25.38 | webuadata | i installed kde |
| 10:25.38 | sanxiyn | Eulex: apt-file can't know about files created by post-installation script or so. |
| 10:25.38 | drac | webuadata: apt-get install x-window-system-core kde |
| 10:25.38 | webuadata | but their was something else |
| 10:25.38 | atholas | simonrvn, jm_: it turns out that an redundant entry in my .xsession from an old installation is casuing trouble. Thanks for your help. |
| 10:25.38 | drac | webuadata: Will get you whole X and KDE and dependencies. |
| 10:25.39 | umbop | hmm anyone here would could shed any light on swapd for me, there's 2600+ file handles open when i do an lsof for it, each set shows the same Name open for each PID so it's showing http://pastebot.nd.edu/1366 |
| 10:25.55 | webuadata | Thankyou. |
| 10:26.03 | simonrvn | atholas: s'ok |
| 10:26.08 | webuadata | i just put linux on my laptop :) |
| 10:26.10 | sanxiyn | Eulex: For locating files in already installed packages, dlocate is very fast. |
| 10:26.14 | umbop | which to me just doesn't look normal |
| 10:26.14 | Eulex | sanxiyn: apt-file list base-files doesn't give any output -- does it just contain files created by post-installation scripts? |
| 10:26.17 | sanxiyn | Eulex: (Much faster than dpkg --search, that is.) |
| 10:26.33 | Eulex | ok |
| 10:26.49 | sanxiyn | Eulex: apt-file list base-files does work for me... |
| 10:27.22 | sanxiyn | dlocate motd |
| 10:27.26 | sanxiyn | base-files: /usr/share/base-files/motd |
| 10:27.27 | sanxiyn | etc. |
| 10:28.05 | simonrvn | dlocate r0x :) |
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| 10:28.23 | xbmx | hello any one here/? |
| 10:28.29 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:28.32 | xbmx | lol |
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| 10:28.43 | anubis_EOA | quick qustion, when you download and install a doc for a given package (apt-get), how do you use it??? |
| 10:28.44 | tralala | !lol |
| 10:28.45 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 10:28.45 | simonrvn | there's only us 780 people lurking |
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| 10:29.08 | tralala | anubis_EOA: cd /usr/share/doc/package-doc && read |
| 10:29.11 | sanxiyn | anubis_EOA: I use dwww. |
| 10:29.15 | simonrvn | anubis_EOA: use a pager, an info reader, or a web browser, depending on the format |
| 10:29.29 | anubis_EOA | tnx |
| 10:29.30 | Eulex | sanxiyn: hmm... however, I do get an error when doing apt-file list base-files -v |
| 10:29.34 | sanxiyn | anubis_EOA: Some are rumored to use dhelp. |
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| 10:29.40 | Eulex | sanxiyn: D: got 'deb ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib': Bad file descriptor |
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| 10:29.50 | sanxiyn | Eulex: Sounds like a bug... |
| 10:29.58 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: more like PEBKAC |
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| 10:30.14 | Eulex | tarzeau: pebkac? |
| 10:30.21 | tarzeau | !PEBKAC |
| 10:30.22 | dpkg | well, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 10:30.23 | sanxiyn | Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Computer. |
| 10:30.26 | sanxiyn | oops late |
| 10:30.35 | sanxiyn | Eh, chair. stupid. |
| 10:30.42 | intension | sanxiyn haha |
| 10:30.45 | simonrvn | !pebrhal |
| 10:30.45 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Right Hand And Left |
| 10:31.04 | jethro | pebrhal sucks |
| 10:31.07 | jethro | !picnic |
| 10:31.07 | dpkg | [picnic] Problem In Chair Not In Computer |
| 10:31.08 | anubis_EOA | knowing that is reeeeaalllyy gonna make my life alot easier :-) |
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| 10:31.14 | jethro | that one sucks too |
| 10:31.15 | tralala | :) |
| 10:31.23 | simonrvn | !picnic |
| 10:31.23 | dpkg | picnic is, like, Problem In Chair Not In Computer |
| 10:31.30 | xbmx | i need help i think there a moster on my closet hes scary |
| 10:31.31 | jethro | !pebmac |
| 10:31.31 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Mexico And Canada, or see pebcam. Problem Exists Between Mercury And Ceres |
| 10:31.35 | jethro | haha |
| 10:31.37 | jethro | I like this one |
| 10:31.45 | Eulex | haha, very funny... now, I've installed curl and I've run apt-file update -- what to do more to make it work? |
| 10:32.01 | tarzeau | Eulex: fix your sources.list |
| 10:32.08 | tarzeau | Eulex: telnet linuks.mine.nu #for an example |
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| 10:32.56 | sanxiyn | Eulex: After apt-file update, it should work. |
| 10:33.04 | sanxiyn | Eulex: It can take a long time. Be patient. |
| 10:33.17 | sanxiyn | (Therefore, use dlocate for already installed file) |
| 10:33.24 | Eulex | yes, I've noticed that... |
| 10:33.34 | simonrvn | another reason to use dlocate is that it deals with experimental sources properly |
| 10:33.34 | xbmx | where do i go to start coding? |
| 10:33.36 | sanxiyn | Or fix it to be a bit more fast or; |
| 10:33.41 | xbmx | . |
| 10:33.58 | sanxiyn | xbmx: Your chair. |
| 10:33.58 | ro28 | xbmx: to the command line |
| 10:33.59 | simonrvn | though it doesn;t deal with remote stuff |
| 10:34.00 | intension | xbmx install a C compiler |
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| 10:34.21 | simonrvn | i should reconf my kbd for fr_CA... |
| 10:34.24 | sanxiyn | xbmx: You can go to Alpha Centauri to start coding, if you prefer. It will take a long time though. |
| 10:34.40 | Eulex | I think he means where to find a coding tutorial :P |
| 10:34.49 | simonrvn | 4 years at the speed of light, a fuck of a lot longer at the speed of rockets |
| 10:34.52 | xbmx | time i alway have time |
| 10:35.02 | tarzeau | simonrvn: x? |
| 10:35.03 | ro28 | xbmx: 'info libc', then type '/example' and hit enter |
| 10:35.08 | tarzeau | simonrvn: setxkbmap fr_CA |
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| 10:35.27 | simonrvn | no both. just don't wanna bother right now |
| 10:35.36 | jm_ | how do canadian frogs differ from native ones? :) |
| 10:35.46 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 10:36.09 | simonrvn | #define NATIVE ;p |
| 10:36.23 | jm_ | the ones living in France |
| 10:36.47 | simonrvn | a lot |
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| 10:36.58 | jethro | !poutine |
| 10:36.58 | dpkg | http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg |
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| 10:37.49 | abel | hi all. i try to insert the usb-ohci module in my Kernel but i got a FATAL: Module usb_uhci not found. message , any simple debian way to add this module ? |
| 10:38.03 | xsE | that seems nice. |
| 10:38.22 | Jhair | abel: what does locate usb-ohci.ko say |
| 10:38.42 | darkskiez | is there anyway I can flush a connection tracked connection thats got confused? |
| 10:38.46 | abel | nothing |
| 10:38.56 | abel | Jhair: nothing |
| 10:39.11 | jm_ | abel: module is named ohci-hcd with 2.6 kernel |
| 10:39.16 | xbmx | ok how do i install linksys wireless g usb adapter on debian?????????????????????? |
| 10:39.26 | darkskiez | xbmx, ?????????????????????????????? |
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| 10:39.32 | Jhair | abel: what kernel do you have? |
| 10:39.36 | tralala | xbmx: you don't |
| 10:39.40 | xbmx | runing on dell laptop c600 |
| 10:39.51 | jethro | !ep |
| 10:39.51 | abel | jm_ thanks |
| 10:39.52 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:40.10 | jm_ | abel: no worries |
| 10:40.19 | abel | Jhair : 2.6 ok seems ilke it's ohci_hcd for me |
| 10:40.31 | jm_ | I always have to look in kernel docs/config to find out USB modules names, it just doesn't stick |
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| 10:40.33 | xbmx | tralala what u mean i dont ??????????? |
| 10:40.46 | darkskiez | xbmx, one ? will suffice. |
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| 10:40.55 | tralala | !irritate me |
| 10:40.55 | dpkg | tralala: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde !!!1 |
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| 10:41.18 | xbmx | how do i install it? |
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| 10:41.27 | jethro | xbmx: /msg dpkg u, /msg dpkg ep, /msg dpkg hdii |
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| 10:41.48 | vchrizz | re |
| 10:42.05 | vchrizz | could anyone tell me why this doesnt work: "for i in `echo $FILE`; do if isin "$i" ".tar.gz" then tar -ztf "$i" | grep libstd fi ; done" ? |
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| 10:42.33 | simonrvn | with a tuning fork |
| 10:42.35 | jethro | vchrizz: what does $FILE contain? |
| 10:42.38 | darkskiez | xbmx, apparently from a casual google search ndiswrapper supports it |
| 10:42.54 | vchrizz | jethro: `ls /home/vchrizz/` |
| 10:43.03 | xbmx | i just need it so bad |
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| 10:43.17 | simonrvn | so bad your teeth hurt? |
| 10:43.19 | jethro | vchrizz: why for in in `echo $FILE` then? |
| 10:43.27 | jethro | s/in/i/ |
| 10:43.32 | Jhair | vchrizz: "isin" what's that? that isn't a shell built in, isn't it? |
| 10:43.33 | intension | vchrizz keep on trying |
| 10:43.33 | AssO | 14 |
| 10:43.41 | AssO | sry |
| 10:44.05 | xbmx | i try using airsnort but dint find my wireless |
| 10:44.08 | jethro | vchrizz: maybe you should ask #bash |
| 10:44.15 | darkskiez | vchrizz, semicolon before the then |
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| 10:44.19 | jethro | xbmx: ask #wireless |
| 10:44.25 | darkskiez | vchrizz, for starters :) |
| 10:44.26 | xbmx | where |
| 10:44.27 | vchrizz | uhm, i thought with isin i could check if a string is contained in another string |
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| 10:44.46 | trc | has gnome been fixed in sid? |
| 10:44.52 | jethro | trc: read the bts |
| 10:44.53 | intension | vchrizz first get to know your programming language before you invent it |
| 10:45.00 | jethro | !lart trc |
| 10:45.14 | jethro | simonrvn: :) |
| 10:45.22 | trc | (*\*) |
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| 10:45.48 | jethro | sigfood |
| 10:46.01 | paulswm | !fruitsmite jethro |
| 10:46.03 | vchrizz | lol intension |
| 10:46.16 | simonrvn | good idea |
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| 10:46.46 | tralala | vchrizz: lg has a series of good articles on bash programming (msg dpkg linux gazette) |
| 10:46.50 | xbmx | im out im going to install windows its much easyer for using wireless |
| 10:47.07 | Eulex | sanxiyn: I'm running apt-file update -v now... and it takes a helluva time to grab the contents from debian-marrilat (mplayer packages)... and then apt-file list just shows files in the packages from that apt source... it shows none from the official debian servers or from os-cillation |
| 10:47.25 | Eulex | xbmx: what chipset does your wireless card have? |
| 10:47.29 | intension | xbmx dont do anything i wouldnt do |
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| 10:48.02 | Eulex | xbmx: what's the exact model of the card? |
| 10:48.10 | xbmx | im going to reboot maybe its going to work |
| 10:48.22 | Alorna | How can i check the shares shared by a windows machine from Linux ? |
| 10:48.31 | xbmx | WUSB54GS |
| 10:48.42 | jm_ | Alorna: smbclient, LinNeighborhood, ... |
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| 10:48.51 | Eulex | Alorna: install samba and run smbclient | smbmount |
| 10:49.20 | intension | xbmx be more complete and specific to get better help |
| 10:49.53 | xbmx | ok |
| 10:50.45 | Eulex | hmm, firefox segfaulted??? |
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| 10:50.56 | xbmx | i got a WUSB54GS runing on dell c600 and its not working |
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| 10:51.43 | Eulex | xmbx: what kind of card? pci, mini-pci, pc-card? |
| 10:51.46 | dli_ | how to enable showing /etc/motd after ssh login? |
| 10:52.02 | hejux_ | my is debian dead when i install xorg under xfree86 |
| 10:52.05 | intension | xbmx someone told you the name of hte module you need to load, 'modprobe modulename' and check it with 'lsmod' |
| 10:52.09 | Alorna | jm_, mount -t smbfs \\10.0.0.9/D ? |
| 10:52.21 | dli_ | hejux_: is xorg in debian yet? |
| 10:52.27 | hejux_ | yes |
| 10:52.38 | jm_ | Alorna: don't use \\ |
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| 10:52.55 | dli_ | hejux_: oh, in unstable or testing? |
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| 10:53.02 | jm_ | dli_: man sshd_config |
| 10:53.04 | Gargoyle | Hello, again! |
| 10:53.10 | dli_ | jm_: thanks |
| 10:53.13 | Alorna | jm_, mount -t smbfs //10.0.0.9/D ? |
| 10:53.16 | xbmx | does debian suport USB? |
| 10:53.17 | Eulex | firefox segfaulted again???? gonna run gdb on it... |
| 10:53.22 | insomniacdebuser | whats the next testing name of debian |
| 10:53.25 | directhex|work | xbmx, um... yes. |
| 10:53.29 | directhex|work | insomniacdebuser, etch |
| 10:53.29 | xbmx | lol |
| 10:53.41 | Jhair | is firefox in debian compiled with debug information per default? |
| 10:53.41 | insomniacdebuser | etch whats that? |
| 10:53.51 | Alorna | jm_, it asks for 'Password:' |
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| 10:53.52 | xbmx | why linux is so hard to use? |
| 10:53.54 | mikael_ | hello |
| 10:53.54 | jm_ | Alorna: possibly |
| 10:53.55 | hejux_ | when start i can see kdm and type password it soon back to kdm never enterd to kde ,dli_ |
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| 10:54.19 | hejux_ | testing sarge |
| 10:54.28 | mikael_ | does anybody know how to increase the terminal buffer size ? |
| 10:54.31 | Jhair | hejux_: wrong password |
| 10:54.38 | sep | hejux_: there is no such thing, you are either testing/etc or you are stable/sarge |
| 10:54.43 | Gargoyle | OK, Something I have never done before - Configuring sound under Linux. Any pointers into the right direction? I am using gnome. (Google returns a lot for gnome debian sound! :() |
| 10:54.44 | sep | etch |
| 10:54.46 | directhex|work | xbmx, because it's supposed to be unix-like, and unix isn't meant to be trivial & friendly with bouncing paperclps |
| 10:54.47 | hejux_ | Jhair: no ,not a wrong password |
| 10:54.49 | Jhair | hejux_: ore PAM-related issue |
| 10:54.57 | sep | Gargoyle: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 10:54.57 | directhex|work | Gargoyle, which card, which debian |
| 10:55.06 | Alorna | jm_, is there some sort of default password ? |
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| 10:55.25 | scar_ | what desktop is more recommended for a low-end system (p2/400, 192mb ram, tnt2 ultra) ... I would like to use easy remote desktop through LAN.... kde or gnome? or nothing like that? just plain X with enlightenment |
| 10:55.46 | directhex|work | scar_, icewm |
| 10:55.50 | Eulex | Jhair: didn't seem like that |
| 10:55.50 | hejux_ | it is not the way to install xorg under xfree86 ? |
| 10:55.50 | Gargoyle | ta sep |
| 10:55.56 | dli_ | hejux_: that's not an X error |
| 10:56.00 | Eulex | scar_: fluxbox/xfce4 |
| 10:56.01 | tralala | scar_: depends on who recommends it |
| 10:56.07 | Alorna | jm_, '4328: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)' |
| 10:56.09 | Jhair | directhex|work: in fact bouncing paperclips, aren't friendly at all. There was an article somewhere showing how the command-line commands are way friendlier than gui-based applications (e.g. comparing putty with an ssh client) |
| 10:56.17 | hejux_ | dli_:what do you think it is ? |
| 10:56.40 | xbmx | is it true that linux hate windows? |
| 10:56.43 | Jhair | scar_: xfce |
| 10:56.44 | scar_ | tralala, well I assume that there are certain ppl in this chan who actually are able to recommend certain things, based on their knowledge and experience with debian/ wm |
| 10:56.55 | dli_ | hejux_ select another session? check xsession-errors |
| 10:56.55 | directhex|work | Jhair, but you have to admit that scribble the cat from office 97 is cute |
| 10:57.00 | Jhair | xbmx: linux doesn't hate anyone, it is just a program |
| 10:57.07 | directhex|work | xbmx, linux is a kernel. a piece of code. it feels no love or hate |
| 10:57.17 | Jhair | directhex|work: hehe I haven't seen such a cat |
| 10:57.25 | hejux_ | dli_: where is xsession-errors located ? |
| 10:57.38 | Eulex | weee... I tried attaching gdb to firefox-bin, and now it seems like both the terminal *and* firefox has hung... |
| 10:57.43 | AllKind | on the box i today installed the 2 softraids, one with lvm. while booting (dmesg) i have ~hundret messages like this: devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc. After that boot screen (not in dmesg) says 8 lvm logical volums loaded. So I'm not sure if this is normal, or error? |
| 10:57.45 | sep | windows is a program also, but i tell you it got it in for me !! |
| 10:57.48 | xbmx | lol |
| 10:58.01 | dli_ | hejux_: your home: "less ~/.xsession-errors" |
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| 10:58.11 | hejux_ | ok |
| 10:58.12 | tralala | scar_: you assume correctly. And depending on the person and his/her own experience you will get different recommendations from the different people. Me for example - I would recommend you to try several wms and use the one you liked best. |
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| 10:58.59 | dli_ | hejux_: just select another session, maybe it works |
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| 10:59.15 | fas3r | hi all |
| 10:59.18 | hejux_ | dli_: how to ? |
| 10:59.19 | xbmx | last q is linux better than windows? |
| 10:59.26 | sep | !better |
| 10:59.26 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 10:59.26 | Eulex | xmbx: yes :) |
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| 10:59.33 | directhex|work | hejux_, xorg isn't in debian yet. |
| 10:59.39 | dli_ | hejux_: kdm and gdm will both have a menu for "Sessions" |
| 10:59.42 | tralala | xbmx: are apples better than pineapples? |
| 10:59.55 | fas3r | if i make chmod +755 on a directory... after it's possible to write in this directory with all user no? |
| 10:59.56 | directhex|work | tralala, they're not as spiky |
| 11:00.03 | dli_ | tralala: pineapple is better |
| 11:00.13 | sep | oranges !!!!! |
| 11:00.14 | xbmx | tralala: i like apples |
| 11:00.30 | tralala | xbmx: you see? you have the answer of your question |
| 11:00.49 | Gargoyle | sep, I got that in - will I need to restart X11 or gnome to get it to work? |
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| 11:01.07 | dli_ | sep: durian is the best |
| 11:01.08 | sep | Gargoyle: you might need a reboot in order to have it load your sound modules correctly |
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| 11:01.12 | tarzeau | BANANAS! |
| 11:01.31 | Gargoyle | ok, i'll give that a whirl! |
| 11:01.38 | dli_ | tarzeau: because you never tried durian |
| 11:01.48 | sep | lol |
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| 11:02.10 | xbmx | tralala:yeah i see |
| 11:02.23 | goron | I need to convert all files ending in .csv to latex graphs, but besides that I probably need the graphics package, I have no idea of how to proceed. Any one that can help me? |
| 11:02.28 | gvn | peaches |
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| 11:02.29 | tarzeau | dli_: ick http://www.nagani.com/food/images/fruits/durian-1.jpg |
| 11:02.38 | Eulex | xmbx: http://www.google.se/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.linksys.com/faqs/default.asp%3Ffqid%3D10&e=9777 |
| 11:02.39 | tarzeau | dli_: rather have honey melons |
| 11:03.02 | Jhair | goron: with csv you mean comma separated files isn't it? |
| 11:03.05 | Eulex | xmbx: hmm, http://www.linksys.com/faqs/default.asp?fqid=10 |
| 11:03.15 | dli_ | tarzeau: honey melon? what's that? |
| 11:03.20 | goron | Jhair: yes |
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| 11:03.22 | Eulex | xmbx: it was a linksys, right? |
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| 11:03.36 | xbmx | yeah |
| 11:03.46 | tarzeau | dli_: http://aged.ces.uga.edu/2004cds/cd1/Hot_Potatoes/Produce_Identification/honey%20dew%20melon%2029M.jpg |
| 11:03.49 | Jhair | goron: have you tried gnuplot? |
| 11:04.00 | goron | Jhair: I was trying that, yes. |
| 11:04.11 | Eulex | xmbx: http://list.driverguide.com/list/LINUX/company597/ |
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| 11:04.19 | Alorna | After doing smbclient -L 10.0.0.6 and then getting 'E$ Disk Default share' then trying mount -t smbfs //10.0.0.6/E 10.0.0.6 i got '4761: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name) and SMB connection failed', why is that ? |
| 11:04.22 | goron | Jhair: I guess the dimensions don't match or something because I get an error. |
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| 11:04.42 | Eulex | xmbx: can you find any info about the card in lspci, lspnp or lsusb? |
| 11:04.49 | Alorna | where the last 10.0.0.6 in 'mount' comand is the directory |
| 11:04.49 | Ekaterin | I have a slight problem with USB memory sticks. It seems that each new stick I plug into the back of my PC gets assigned to a new SCSI device (/dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1 etc.). Is there some way of making them all be assigned to /dev/sda1? |
| 11:04.53 | Jhair | goron: oh oh gnugraph could be pretty complex, be sure you read the documentation and saw the example on its webpage |
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| 11:05.17 | goron | Jhair: Isn't there something simple? |
| 11:05.22 | andara | hai... |
| 11:05.33 | xbmx | eulex: i think u the only one here that helped me thanks |
| 11:05.39 | sep | Ekaterin: then how would you tell them apart ? you probably want hotplug, then you can abstract the /dev/sda part and just use /mnt/apacherpen or a similar name |
| 11:06.02 | goron | It's the same when I want to print something under *nix. I need know how it all works, just to print a page. |
| 11:06.14 | goron | er to know |
| 11:06.30 | Jhair | goron: well, probably you could load your .csv files onto gnumeric and plot the values from there, I used gnumeric sometime ago but it has a lot of bugs which made it unusable |
| 11:06.33 | Eulex | xmbx: can you find any info about your card in the output of lspci, lspnp or lsusb? and then, what kind of card is it? pci, mini-pci or pcmcia? |
| 11:06.38 | Ekaterin | sep: I'm not plugging them in all at once :-) I shall go look up hotplug. |
| 11:06.39 | jm_ | Alorna: '//10.0.0.6/E$' |
| 11:06.51 | goron | Jhair: I was installing gnumeric already :) |
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| 11:07.05 | goron | Jhair: Any other tip/guide? |
| 11:07.14 | mathieu_ | does anyone know how to install/use the package "mozilla-firefox-gnome-support" ? |
| 11:07.23 | xbmx | eulex: yeah |
| 11:07.30 | directhex|work | just install it. |
| 11:07.36 | Eulex | xmbx: "yeah"?? |
| 11:07.37 | mathieu_ | i installed it with aptitude, but firefox isn't using it |
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| 11:07.59 | jm_ | goron: ploticus makes graphs and it supports CSV files, but it's not exactly easy/obvious to use when you start |
| 11:08.03 | mathieu_ | it's still using it's own file dialogs, and it isn't listed as extension |
| 11:08.11 | Jhair | goron: he hopefully the version you are installing works fine... other tip? well I think I don't have, I use gnuplot a lot it takes time to learn it but it is worth it |
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| 11:08.57 | sep | Gargoyle: you also need a mixer installed, and use that mixer to turn up the volume (its default all down) |
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| 11:09.03 | Eulex | xmbx: what's the relevant info? (do *not* paste a lot of info here, only one line or *maybe* two) |
| 11:09.20 | tralala | mathieu_: cd /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support && read |
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| 11:10.07 | xbmx | eulex: that lsusb worked my wireless is on usb |
| 11:10.59 | Eulex | xbmx: so, do you get any yummy info? |
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| 11:11.35 | goron | jm_: Seems nice. Installing it also. |
| 11:11.40 | darkskiez | other than ifconfig eth0 down, does anyone know how to flush the ip_conntrack table? or a certain entry ? |
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| 11:11.47 | mathieu_ | tralala, i did that. it's EMPTY |
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| 11:12.28 | mathieu_ | tralala, except for changelog.Debian.org & copyright |
| 11:12.32 | abel | hi all i am supposed to have my /dev/ttyUSB0 device working at now, but the program who is supposed to use it don't work. any way to prospect deeper if this device is working ? |
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| 11:13.19 | toonX | is there flash for the 64bit debian? |
| 11:13.34 | tralala | mathieu_: google it then |
| 11:13.44 | Gargoyle | sep, I installed gnome-alsamixer but its blank! |
| 11:14.01 | ummbop | hmm how can i use strace -p pid to see what EXACTLY it is doing? |
| 11:14.11 | ummbop | i've tried -x but it's all in HEX |
| 11:14.33 | tralala | toonX: if you read the faq you'll find out |
| 11:14.45 | mathieu_ | tralala, guess what, i did that too. |
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| 11:15.03 | mathieu_ | tralala, so you just don't know, right? |
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| 11:15.35 | tralala | mathieu_: yes. And you just don't know how to ask informative questions, right? |
| 11:15.56 | jm_ | ummbop: strace -s 512 -p <pid> |
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| 11:16.24 | ummbop | thanks jm_ :) |
| 11:16.34 | mathieu_ | tralala, well. i installed it, restarted firefox, nothing changed. what do you need more? |
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| 11:17.09 | Gargoyle | sep, I can't find anything in dmesg or log/messages for alsa, but when system was rebooting I am sure I saw (not loaded) next to "sound" something! |
| 11:17.10 | toonX | tralala ok |
| 11:17.12 | liable | hmm, can print a test page over samba, but nothing else. :( |
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| 11:18.08 | sep | Gargoyle: im not authorative on that, but i'd assume that would indicate that your soundcard was not automaticaly recogniced, and the modules arent loaded |
| 11:18.16 | tralala | mathieu_: if you want to avoid being referenced to the docs or to google you could say beforehand that you have already checked them. And if you really want to know how to do research and ask smart questions - /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 11:19.06 | sep | Gargoyle: install alsamixer also, and run that in a xterm, also look at lsmod if your soundcard modules are loaded (should be some snd-* named modules) |
| 11:19.15 | mathieu_ | tralala, ok should've told you i searched already, anything else? |
| 11:19.30 | tarzeau | say i have /usr/games/fortune in csh.login/profile/zprofile. and all users are happy. but one users doesn't want the fortune to be shown |
| 11:19.36 | tarzeau | what would i do? |
| 11:19.36 | mikeX | tralala, btw, the dcopserver thing was fixed by deleting ICEauthority and starting a kde-app twice : D |
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| 11:19.47 | tarzeau | does UNIX really SUCK SO MUCH? |
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| 11:20.14 | jm_ | tarzeau: if [ $USER != moron ]; then fortune; fi |
| 11:20.19 | shovel | Hey all, is anyone here using ifp-gnome or ifp-manager??? I can only access the device with either program by running as root (sudo) is there a way around this? |
| 11:20.25 | tarzeau | jm_: i hoped to not do that |
| 11:20.29 | jm_ | tarzeau: heh |
| 11:20.37 | sep | Gargoyle: run alsaconf |
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| 11:21.10 | LozPrime | I want to upgrade from woody to sarge on a remote server. Can anyone guide me? |
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| 11:21.20 | drac | LozPrime: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 11:21.20 | Gargoyle | couldn't find my sound card! |
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| 11:21.33 | sep | LozPrime: 1. read the releasenotes |
| 11:21.45 | directhex|work | 2. obey the release notes |
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| 11:21.54 | tralala | mathieu_: the smart questions howto only |
| 11:21.56 | sep | !beer directhex|work |
| 11:22.03 | poncha | hi. how can i define "every sunday at 2am" in cron ? |
| 11:22.07 | mathieu_ | tralala, i had already read that |
| 11:22.11 | LozPrime | the notes say best do this through Apt or aptitude |
| 11:22.15 | jm_ | poncha: man 5 crontab |
| 11:22.19 | sep | poncha: man 5 crontab |
| 11:22.31 | directhex|work | poncha, "man 5 crontab" should be able to cover it relatively well |
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| 11:22.56 | poncha | ok, i got it , thanks |
| 11:23.01 | Gargoyle | sep, any ideas on where next? lspci returns this (Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)) |
| 11:23.02 | devazion | Hi, ive been thinking and searching the web... Is there any way of turning an reiserfs partiton into an ext3 without data-loss? =) |
| 11:23.03 | sep | LozPrime: that's odd, since the release notes i read recomended aptitude strongly |
| 11:23.05 | tralala | mathieu_: you didn't seem to remember it. Anyway let's drop the poitless discussion now. |
| 11:23.22 | directhex|work | Gargoyle, that's an snd-intel8x0. what have you tried so far? |
| 11:23.33 | tralala | mikeX: ok |
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| 11:23.39 | LozPrime | I've opened aptitude but am unsure of where to go from there |
| 11:23.43 | sep | Gargoyle: strange that alsa didnt detect your card. you dont have oss modules loaded btw ? |
| 11:23.54 | mathieu_ | tralala, you know, memory isn't perfect. but indeed. let's drop this |
| 11:23.56 | sep | LozPrime: you arent reading the release notes ! |
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| 11:24.11 | Gargoyle | sep, possibly. gnome multimedia menu lists oss |
| 11:24.28 | directhex|work | install alsa-base alsa-utils, run alsaconf, reboot. that's tghe "simple" solution, which assumes a proper sarge machine (discover1 and hotplug installed, debian modular 2.6 kernel) |
| 11:24.44 | sep | LozPrime: read it thru two times, adn make sure you understand it before messing with a remote server. also if the remote server works ther is no need to rush the upgrade woody have security for a year longer |
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| 11:25.11 | sep | Gargoyle: then i'd remove oss modules from beeing loaded on boot and reboot and alsaconf again |
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| 11:25.52 | directhex|work | sigh |
| 11:26.07 | asperon-work | after i compile a new kernel and install it via dpkg, do i need to install the modules to? if so, how do i do that? |
| 11:26.09 | directhex|work | i really can't be bothered, you kids work it out amongst yourselves |
| 11:26.18 | directhex|work | asperon-work, depends on how you built the kernel |
| 11:26.30 | mikael_ | how can i change the settings of my current terminal ? |
| 11:26.38 | directhex|work | asperon-work, dpkg -L name-of-your-kernel-package would let you know if modules are already included |
| 11:26.46 | asperon-work | directhex|work: with make-kpkg |
| 11:26.46 | dbeal | mikael, adjust the contrast/brightness knobs? |
| 11:27.17 | liable | asperon-work: look in /lib/modules/yourkernel |
| 11:27.31 | mikael_ | dbeal when i have a terminal i would like to change its size for exemple, but without open a new one |
| 11:27.57 | asperon-work | liable: there is stuff there, is that ok then? |
| 11:28.25 | dbeal | mkael, some terms let you do that, others don't.. |
| 11:28.41 | dbeal | mkael, eterm lets you do that, for example. others have special keys and so on. |
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| 11:29.28 | dbeal | (unless there is a secret hacker way to do it, though I am sadly ignorant of such arcane methods). |
| 11:29.33 | mikael_ | dbeal what if i want to change to buffer size to scroll up, if i type xterm -sl 500 it's doing it but how can i do to apply this to the current reminal |
| 11:30.19 | dbeal | mikael, it's highly unlikely that any term will let you adjust the buffer size on the fly, imho. |
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| 11:30.26 | LozPrime | I have problems loading libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 11:30.39 | dbeal | mikael, though there are many that do it...;-) |
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| 11:31.01 | asperon-work | ok, booting the new kernel i get a panic from VFS: cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 11:31.01 | mikael_ | dbeal oh ok |
| 11:31.05 | asperon-work | i am using grub |
| 11:31.07 | dbeal | mikael, sorry.. |
| 11:31.15 | mikeX | asperon-work, only if you've build extra modules outside the kernel tree |
| 11:31.32 | asperon-work | mikeX: ok, i aint so that should be ok then |
| 11:31.32 | mikeX | asperon-work, for example the nvidia driver.. |
| 11:31.33 | goron | Jhair: Can I priv. message you? I succeeded in getting the plot "something" done and I saved it to a file called "blaat.tex". But I am not sure of whay I can do with it now. |
| 11:31.39 | mikeX | asperon-work, yes then |
| 11:31.48 | mikael_ | dbeal do you know where the default terminal settings are stored ? : everytime I open a new terminal i want to choose the size |
| 11:32.53 | asperon-work | sio, what do i do about the panic? |
| 11:33.02 | antgel | if i'm using rsync to backup remote machines, where's the standard place to put these backups? i thought /var/local/backups/<machinename> . |
| 11:33.13 | tralala | mikael_: xresources |
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| 11:33.21 | dbeal | mikael, X11-type terminal defaults are stored in ~/.Xresources.. |
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| 11:34.04 | mikael_ | dbeal therefore i have to create this file |
| 11:34.06 | asperon-work | the new kernels entry in grub is missing the initrd line |
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| 11:34.10 | asperon-work | that the old kernel has |
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| 11:34.45 | tralala | asperon-work: why don't you just use the debian kernel? |
| 11:35.08 | asperon-work | tralala: need to have a nic suport staticly compiled, since i am going to pxe boot the client box |
| 11:35.17 | dbeal | mikael, as well as many other application defaults..for example, enter a line like *.saveLines: 4096 in ~/.Xresources..then don't forget to run xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources! |
| 11:35.17 | vali | asperon-work, compile a new kernel yourself, so u dont need the initrd file |
| 11:35.28 | asperon-work | vali: thats what i just did |
| 11:35.54 | asperon-work | and i am getting this error: booting the new kernel i get a panic from VFS: cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 11:35.59 | dbeal | mikael, (sorry, without the exclamation point). xterm.saveLines:4096 means the same thing as xterm -sl 4096 on the commandline. |
| 11:36.13 | tralala | asperon-work: you don't need static nic support, but simply a custom initrd image |
| 11:36.18 | vali | then u didnt include ATA disk support or the filesystem of your root partition |
| 11:36.30 | tralala | asperon-work: also check lessdisks - it's good |
| 11:37.06 | asperon-work | tralala: any info on how to do that, url or otherwise |
| 11:37.17 | dbeal | mikael, most programs that use Xresources will have a listing of which resource names they use and what their commandline equivalents are. |
| 11:37.19 | vali | you shoudnt include those "drivers" as modules |
| 11:37.19 | mikael_ | dbeal thanx :) |
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| 11:37.35 | asperon-work | vali: the /root command looks just like the other kernels line |
| 11:37.38 | vali | just include it in the "main" kernel |
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| 11:37.49 | asperon-work | vali: thats what i did |
| 11:37.59 | tralala | asperon-work: lessdisks or custom initrd? |
| 11:38.00 | vali | you must forget something |
| 11:38.05 | asperon-work | tralala: either |
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| 11:38.25 | vali | forgot :P |
| 11:38.25 | asperon-work | vali: i used the defult .config, then added the nic to be compiled in, thats all |
| 11:38.30 | asperon-work | default |
| 11:38.32 | tralala | asperon-work: apt-cache show lessdisks, apt-cache search lessdisks |
| 11:38.58 | vali | the default config uses ATA and EIDE support as modules |
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| 11:39.09 | Pasus | ola |
| 11:39.26 | vali | if u cant access the disk... how can u read the modules ? |
| 11:39.28 | tralala | asperon-work: I think there is also a file that controls what modules will be included in the initrd image when doing mkinitrd. Check the manual. |
| 11:39.32 | asperon-work | vali: yes, but the box that i am booting now is the server, and it has the needed files onits drive |
| 11:40.02 | asperon-work | that is, if i dont need to move the modules or something after installing the new kernel |
| 11:40.15 | goron | Jhair: Did you get it? |
| 11:40.19 | Gargoyle | sep, there is a lot in /etc/modules.conf about oss, it the a command to unload it? |
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| 11:40.49 | vali | if u put the disk support IN the kernel (not as a module) then u dont have to load that module |
| 11:40.52 | Jhair | goron: I am afraid not |
| 11:41.06 | poncha | Gargoyle, man rmmod (and remove from modules.conf) |
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| 11:41.11 | tralala | !tell vali about u |
| 11:41.30 | vali | tralala, uhmm... im sorry |
| 11:41.31 | asperon-work | vali: ok, ill try that, even if it feels strange, and i hate to do the compiles since they take 30-40 min |
| 11:41.36 | Jhair | goron: I didn't receive your message, probably there is something wrong iwth my irc-client |
| 11:41.40 | poncha | Gargoyle, you will need lsmod , too , to see what modules are up |
| 11:41.54 | vali | asperon-work, check ext2 & ext3 support too |
| 11:42.06 | Jhair | goron: oh wait I got it |
| 11:42.14 | Gargoyle | Only thing I can see from lsmod is "soundcore" |
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| 11:42.21 | tralala | asperon-work: you *don't* need to recompile to be able to netboot. I repeat you *don't* need. |
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| 11:42.37 | SpamHog | I need a VFAT FS. If I go "mkfs -t vfat /dev/<partition>" I read that mkfs.vfat is missing. How do I find which package it is in? |
| 11:42.44 | asperon-work | tralala: ok, lets try your way first, since i rather not compile it again |
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| 11:43.13 | tralala | asperon-work: is the machine being netbooted diskless or not? |
| 11:43.18 | asperon-work | its not diskless |
| 11:43.19 | antgel | if i'm using rsync to backup remote machines, where's the standard place to put these backups? i thought /var/local/backups/<machinename> . |
| 11:43.29 | asperon-work | i am going to write a os image to the disk after the boot |
| 11:43.34 | vali | netboot? is a netboot ? |
| 11:43.37 | AllKind | What debian package(s) do I need to install in order to only use X-Forwarding over ssh. So no local X must run. ? |
| 11:43.43 | poncha | Gargoyle, the rest probably failed to load... btw, try modules-config - it lets you pick the modules (and uncheck too) that will go into modules.conf from available ones |
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| 11:43.51 | asperon-work | ie, it will load a small linux partition, and then that will dd a image (windows or linux or whatnot) to the hd |
| 11:43.55 | asperon-work | and then ill boot that |
| 11:44.12 | Gargoyle | ohhh, ta poncha |
| 11:44.28 | tralala | asperon-work: then you don't need lessdisks, just check how to instruct mkinitrd to add custom modules to the initrd image. |
| 11:44.29 | vali | search for pxe and netboot XD |
| 11:44.51 | asperon-work | i have pxelinux running, and dhcp and tftpd configured |
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| 11:45.11 | asperon-work | its just that the kernel i load needs netsupport (and nfs support) so that i can get the images of the nfs share |
| 11:45.25 | asperon-work | tralala: ill google mkinitrd then |
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| 11:45.42 | tralala | asperon-work: you'd better man it |
| 11:45.48 | asperon-work | ok |
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| 11:46.32 | tralala | asperon-work: of course you'll need to configure your netboot to use the initrd image as well |
| 11:46.48 | asperon-work | tralala: yes, but that is easy with pxelinux |
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| 11:46.56 | tralala | yes, it is |
| 11:47.15 | chealer | SpamHog: did you try to search it? |
| 11:47.58 | tralala | SpamHog: /msg dpkg find <whateveryousearchfor> |
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| 11:49.17 | antgel | if i want to start using ssh with no password, and i have i run ssh-keygen, where on the destination machine do i copy the id_rsa.pub to? |
| 11:49.26 | cusco | how do I install the win32 codecs? |
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| 11:49.46 | tralala | antgel: /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 11:50.01 | mikeX | cusco, what? |
| 11:50.09 | antgel | tralala: what if the user has no homedir on the destination machine? |
| 11:50.12 | cusco | the video codecs |
| 11:50.16 | cusco | for some files |
| 11:50.17 | tralala | cusco: go to mplayerhq.hu and read |
| 11:50.30 | petemc | cusco: add marillat source, apt-get install w32codecs |
| 11:50.36 | cusco | yes marillat |
| 11:50.39 | cusco | thanks |
| 11:50.55 | tralala | antgel: then you don't login using ssh keys |
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| 11:51.04 | antgel | tralala: why not? |
| 11:51.10 | vali | antgel, man ssh-copy-id |
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| 11:51.24 | antgel | vali: i'll have a look |
| 11:51.35 | tralala | antgel: because there is no place to put the key |
| 11:52.15 | dae | antgel, Are you trying to do hos based authentication ? In that case the keys will go into /etc/ssh. |
| 11:52.30 | antgel | tralala: i know that - i mean it seems silly that there is no central machine-based repository that isn't based on something arbitrary like having a user homedir |
| 11:52.30 | dae | antgel, s/hos/host/ |
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| 11:54.08 | antgel | dae: ok. do i rename it to e.g. host.pub? |
| 11:54.16 | tralala | antgel: the private key is *personal*. It's kind of pointless for all the users to have the same key, isn't it? |
| 11:54.25 | cfrB | What does the boot output "L 99 99 99 99..." suggest? I tried to install lilo. |
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| 11:54.51 | antgel | tralala: i want any user on this host to be able to ssh into another given host with no password |
| 11:55.07 | thomas_adam | cfrB: Read the LILO docs, and it will tell you -- it usually means you tried to run lilo from a drive other than the one on the primary IDE, and your BIOS can't support booting off another drive. |
| 11:55.12 | dae | antgel, Well, there is more to it then just creating a key and putting it into that directory. Google for ssh and "host based authentication". I |
| 11:55.24 | tralala | antgel: then you need host based authentication and not a key based one. However host based authentication is *bad* security. |
| 11:55.31 | antgel | tralala: why? |
| 11:55.46 | dae | antgel, I've done this a few years ago, I'll see if I can find my notes. |
| 11:55.50 | cfrB | thomas_adam: Thanks. I'll look into that. |
| 11:56.02 | antgel | tralala: compared to _what_? |
| 11:56.22 | tralala | antgel: because hosts addresses are spoof prone |
| 11:56.24 | vulture | antgel: because it's relatively easy to forge/break/fuck with, compared to say, a reasonably sized key for a reasonable algorithm |
| 11:56.26 | Gnea | !bts |
| 11:56.26 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 11:56.41 | vulture | antgel: why wouldn't you just use key auth? |
| 11:56.44 | poncha | antgel, because the second one of the "trusted" hosts gets hit, all the others that trusted it are exposed too |
| 11:57.12 | vulture | poncha: same goes for most security measures, keys, passwords, etc |
| 11:57.32 | poncha | vulture, passwords - only if you share same passwords on different machines :) |
| 11:57.33 | dae | antgel, I would agree with the security concerns, I only used this on an internal keyword (192.168 addresses) that was not routable from outside the firewall. |
| 11:57.33 | antgel | vulture (and others): because i understand that keys only work if the user has a homedir on the far end |
| 11:57.55 | antgel | perhaps if i explain the problem, that might help? |
| 11:57.55 | vulture | poncha: well if you trust the box, and it gets hit, then whatever passwords/keys are stored or used through that box are gone |
| 11:58.03 | vulture | antgel: sure |
| 11:58.10 | poncha | yep, thats true |
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| 11:58.19 | tralala | antgel: what an insteresing thought! |
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| 11:58.58 | antgel | ok - we have a server off site that i want to backup with rsync. i can ssh into the server now (as root), but have to type a password. i want to get this setup from cron, when i won't be around to type a password. |
| 11:59.19 | vulture | antgel: well a) get a user with less privelidges |
| 11:59.24 | tralala | antgel: the root has a home dir |
| 11:59.28 | vulture | b) setup a keypair.. cron jobs are still run as a certain user |
| 11:59.33 | antgel | tralala: good point! |
| 11:59.37 | vulture | so you setup a keypair for whatever user you have the cron job running under |
| 11:59.45 | antgel | ok that sounds fair enough |
| 11:59.48 | SpamHog | tralala, chealer: thanks, looks I'm losing neurons 2 fast |
| 11:59.53 | poncha | vulture, but... if the trusted machine is not hacked, but brought down by the attack and attacker obtains its ip... then keys auth will still hold, while host auth is fscked |
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| 12:00.08 | vulture | poncha: *nods* |
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| 12:01.14 | deckrider | hi, I'd like to grab a source package that someone uploaded yesterday to fix a bug I had opened. Where can I go to do that? |
| 12:01.15 | antgel | vulture: but some files are only readable by root |
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| 12:01.49 | dae | antgel, Another thought is to reverse the initiator, couldn't root on the remote machine start the backup instead ? |
| 12:01.49 | Eulex | deckrider: cvs? |
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| 12:02.06 | deckrider | Eulex: is there a special cvs site for debian packages? |
| 12:02.13 | vulture | antgel: such as? |
| 12:02.19 | antgel | dae: i suppose it could but i prefer to have all cron jobs in the one place |
| 12:02.27 | Eulex | deckrider: nope, you have to fetch from cvs and compile yourself |
| 12:02.41 | antgel | vulture: nothing comes straight to mind but stuff in /etc, um, etc |
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| 12:02.52 | Eulex | deckrider: oh, do you mean it's in incoming? |
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| 12:02.56 | deckrider | Eulex: this was a debian fix to a debian package....so its not on the native packages site |
| 12:03.01 | tralala | antgel: if the security is of any concern you would prefer whatever is more secure than whatever is more convinient |
| 12:03.06 | poncha | mostly /etc is readable by everyone on the box... besides the shadow maybe |
| 12:03.07 | deckrider | Eulex: yes, where would that be? |
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| 12:03.14 | dae | antgel, Yeah, it's a tradeoff ... |
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| 12:03.35 | Eulex | deckrider: incoming.debian.org |
| 12:03.40 | deckrider | Eulex: cool, thanks |
| 12:03.52 | antgel | tralala: no, if the security is of any concern, it doesn't mean convenience is of no concern. |
| 12:04.04 | tralala | it does |
| 12:04.17 | Eulex | deckrider: yw |
| 12:04.21 | sciboy | Heya, i recall playing around with a remote desktop type application in the past under linux, that performed ALOT better than VNC, having trouble remember the name though... It was capable of working smoothly over 56k. |
| 12:04.22 | antgel | tralala: not logically |
| 12:04.30 | deckrider | Eulex: cool, the package I'm looking for is there....thanks again! |
| 12:04.49 | poncha | tralala, no true... one can mind both security and convenience and find a tradeoff that suits him best :) |
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| 12:05.48 | Eulex | deckrider: packages first come into incoming, then they go into experimental, then unstable, then testing, and lastly stable... so I guessed because it was just a day old, it must be in incoming |
| 12:05.54 | tralala | poncha: in theory... |
| 12:06.06 | chealer | packages rarely go in experimental |
| 12:06.19 | antgel | tralala: correct, i'm glad you agree ;) |
| 12:06.36 | jm_ | sciboy: FreeNX? |
| 12:06.37 | tralala | poncha: in practice only the people who are able to really estimate the risks can make the good balance between security and convinience |
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| 12:07.05 | Eulex | chealer: ok |
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| 12:07.12 | tralala | antgel: and you don't seem to be one of them, so I didn't actually agree |
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| 12:07.43 | antgel | tralala: why can't i estimate the risks? |
| 12:07.45 | SeerKan | hello ... can someone help me to install cpanel on debian ? i did apt-get install cpanel ... now what do i have to do ? |
| 12:07.49 | poncha | tralala, yes... but thats where people-help-people model is very helpful , to find that balance :) |
| 12:08.13 | Shadur | SeerKan: Depends. What do you want to do? |
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| 12:08.24 | jethro | SeerKan: cd /usr/share/doc/cpanel and read |
| 12:08.31 | SeerKan | ok |
| 12:08.33 | jddl266 | What UML (Unified Modeling Language) tool do you advise me ? |
| 12:08.51 | jethro | !polls |
| 12:08.52 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 12:09.11 | tralala | antgel: because you didn't know why host based authentication is bad and not knowing the dangers is quite a good precondition for not making a good risk estimation |
| 12:09.16 | SeerKan | jethro read what ? |
| 12:09.21 | jethro | SeerKan: the doc? |
| 12:09.25 | jethro | !cluebat SeerKan |
| 12:09.34 | SeerKan | jethro no doc there.. |
| 12:09.46 | tralala | poncha: in theory again |
| 12:09.46 | jethro | SeerKan: then look for some documentation on cpanel |
| 12:10.00 | Eulex | SeerKan: man cpanel? |
| 12:10.16 | antgel | tralala: but i know now. so i repeat, why can't i estimate the risks? |
| 12:10.18 | SeerKan | Eulex ? |
| 12:10.25 | jethro | !moron SeerKan |
| 12:10.26 | dpkg | SeerKan: You are moron #73 |
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| 12:10.37 | SeerKan | yeah .. 10x jethro |
| 12:10.46 | jethro | !aolify SeerKan |
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| 12:10.50 | poncha | tralala, sure, that depends whether those that know the difference are also willing to help, and how much does the person that asks for help is paying attention :) |
| 12:10.54 | tralala | antgel: so that was the final step for you to gain all the security knowlegde? |
| 12:11.08 | Eulex | SeerKan: type man cpanel in a term/console |
| 12:11.14 | tralala | poncha: exactly, especially the later |
| 12:11.32 | antgel | tralala: no. i am unlikely to ever gain all the security knowledge. |
| 12:11.54 | jethro | antgel: no one will ever gain _all_ of it |
| 12:11.54 | tralala | antgel: but you still don't get my point, do you? |
| 12:12.16 | SeerKan | Eulex ok ... he's installing ... |
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| 12:13.00 | antgel | jethro: um, correct |
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| 12:13.33 | antgel | tralala: no. except for your point about host-based auth being a bad idea. |
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| 12:13.50 | remmy_ | whats a easy to use burning program? |
| 12:14.11 | Eulex | remmy_: that depends on what you find easy... |
| 12:14.12 | jethro | remmy_: cdrecord |
| 12:14.19 | Jhair | remmy_: cdrecord if you don't mind the developer sucks |
| 12:14.21 | tralala | antgel: my point is that when people who know better than you are telling you to do something you'd better listen and not complain about convinience |
| 12:14.46 | Jhair | I think there is a cdrecord fork somewhere... |
| 12:14.59 | jethro | Jhair: without libscg by unbutards? |
| 12:15.07 | remmy_ | Thanks i'll give it a try |
| 12:15.07 | tarzeau | remmy_: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ |
| 12:15.11 | mikeX | Jhair, lol, that guy sucks indeed |
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| 12:15.23 | antgel | tralala: so you know better than me what the best balance is (for me) between security and convenience? |
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| 12:15.25 | tarzeau | what was the dpkg factoid for future debian release codenames? |
| 12:15.28 | Jhair | mikeX: he he oh yes |
| 12:15.31 | tarzeau | it's so long, i can't keep it in mind |
| 12:15.33 | mikeX | remmy_, there's also cdrdao |
| 12:15.38 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: you set it, no? |
| 12:15.53 | antgel | tralala: i thought your point was that if security is important that implies that convenience is unimportant. |
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| 12:16.26 | jethro | antgel: important or not, I suggest you take this convo with tralala to some other place where it's on topic. |
| 12:17.00 | tralala | antgel: that as well, more or less, i.e. security > convinience when security is of any concern |
| 12:17.09 | SeerKan | Eulex pls join flood so i can show u something |
| 12:17.17 | tralala | anyway jethro is right |
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| 12:17.20 | paulswm | !tell tarzeau about future release names |
| 12:17.21 | mikeX | remmy_, every gui tool is a frontend to one of 2 i think |
| 12:17.23 | Gnea | hrm |
| 12:17.24 | jethro | !aolify SeerKan |
| 12:17.42 | paulswm | tarzeau: That's the factoid AFAIK |
| 12:17.47 | tarzeau | yes thanks |
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| 12:18.06 | SeerKan | jethro ... spare me ...i'm not in the mood |
| 12:18.16 | jethro | SeerKan: so type correctly, and don't sound like a moron |
| 12:18.26 | jethro | SeerKan: pls, u, .. we don't like these much in #debian. |
| 12:18.43 | Gnea | tarzeau: got to level 62 earlier before i had to put it down (bub-n-bros) :) |
| 12:18.57 | SeerKan | ooo ... you could have told me ... |
| 12:19.00 | tralala | SeerKan: and they are not extending the life of your keyboard so greatly anyway |
| 12:19.03 | Gnea | !u |
| 12:19.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 12:19.05 | Gnea | !pls |
| 12:19.05 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
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| 12:19.20 | jethro | SeerKan: that's why I used aolify. I thought you would figure out. |
| 12:19.43 | _root_ | filler is crack |
| 12:20.00 | SeerKan | jethro i'm very tired and .... |
| 12:20.10 | Gnea | SeerKan: give it up |
| 12:20.13 | jethro | SeerKan: there is no excuse for typing like a moron. :p |
| 12:20.19 | tarzeau | Gnea: you addict! |
| 12:20.28 | Gnea | tarzeau: #) |
| 12:20.32 | SeerKan | haha |
| 12:20.34 | tarzeau | Gnea: it's really more fun with 3+ dragon players |
| 12:20.36 | SeerKan | if u say so ... |
| 12:20.40 | Gnea | tarzeau: yeah it is |
| 12:20.41 | chealer | what's ferite? |
| 12:20.47 | paulswm | omgwtfaollol |
| 12:20.48 | jethro | SeerKan: now that we told you, would you mind stopping? |
| 12:21.04 | Gnea | chealer: a really shweet cross-platform (as of about an hour ago) programming language |
| 12:21.09 | jethro | SeerKan: is it so hard to type you and not u ? |
| 12:21.19 | Jhair | another one? |
| 12:21.33 | chealer | Gnea: hum... |
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| 12:21.35 | rixth | Where cna I get Java package for Etch? |
| 12:21.44 | jethro | rixth: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 12:21.52 | Gnea | i wanted to mess with it but the maintainer totally botched it up |
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| 12:22.02 | rixth | jethro, yes, I know. It WAS in Sarge. |
| 12:22.13 | rixth | So shouldn't it be in etch? I need make-jpkg |
| 12:22.15 | SeerKan | jethro i'm used to type u ... i'll try not to use u in here... |
| 12:22.28 | jethro | SeerKan: that would be much appreciated. |
| 12:22.32 | Gnea | just submitted a report, hopefully now that the exact problem has been put forth a proper solution can be implemented |
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| 12:22.54 | fede_ | ciao a tutti |
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| 12:23.04 | Gnea | !debian-it |
| 12:23.04 | dpkg | debian-it is, like, Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:23.16 | jethro | SeerKan: just try not to use u anywhere, but when you talk with 12yo morons on IM for morons. |
| 12:23.33 | Jhair | Gnea: hopefully you are talking about upstream because debian maintainers often don't know the meaning of "proper solution" |
| 12:23.35 | Gnea | jethro: you and your u are getting moronic |
| 12:24.05 | jethro | I should've kept this ignore line I removed yesterday. thanks for the reminder gnea. |
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| 12:24.09 | _root_ | filler is a hacker |
| 12:24.09 | Gnea | Jhair: well once the report goes through and it's available then people will be able to look at it and go "that's so obvious..." :) |
| 12:24.15 | asperon-work | bear with me her as i am a total n00b about this, but am i correct in assuming that initrd is like an archive of a compressed filesystem, that the kernel boots? |
| 12:24.24 | Gnea | jethro: you're welcome :) |
| 12:24.39 | yaboo | is package xserver-xorg ready to install? |
| 12:24.46 | Gnea | asperon-work: not quite... |
| 12:25.20 | Gnea | asperon-work: initrd *is* a comopressed filesystem that the kernel loads at boot-time to load modules *before* loading the root partition |
| 12:25.21 | dae | asperon-work, man initrd tells you pretty well |
| 12:25.37 | Gnea | -o |
| 12:25.37 | paulswm | asperon-work: Yes, it contains modules that are needed to boot the root filesystem. |
| 12:25.43 | asperon-work | dae: ok, i guess ill have to read that |
| 12:25.50 | asperon-work | can it contain more that just the modules |
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| 12:25.53 | paulswm | s/boot/mount/ |
| 12:25.58 | asperon-work | can it contain tools etcv |
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| 12:26.02 | paulswm | asperon-work: man initrd |
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| 12:26.08 | asperon-work | ok =) |
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| 12:26.14 | Gnea | asperon-work: that would be a userland tool? no. |
| 12:26.18 | paulswm | :) |
| 12:26.23 | rocky23 | is there anyone around that doesnt mind me picked their brain about iproute related routing please let me know i just have some questions |
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| 12:26.38 | Gnea | !tell rocky23 about ask |
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| 12:27.19 | asperon-work | so, if i wanted a small ramdisk with some scripts to be my root system, i would have to have another file that contained this? |
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| 12:27.31 | anubis_EOA | can anyone tell me weather sasl is what will allow the user to send a user-name and password from their e-mail client? |
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| 12:28.19 | rocky23 | I want to have 2 ips on 2 nics and they both have one gateway, im worried that things arent working properly because of table main? it specified 2 lines with the same subnet but iwth 2 ips on 2 different nics, i reckon it just picks the first one from the route and causes it not to route as its going from the wrong interface etc? if i just have the one nic plugged in with the second interface ive set up i cant ping the gateway |
| 12:28.20 | jm_ | asperon-work: yes |
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| 12:28.41 | flash_muppet | I am having problems with my xwindows .. I have two outright errors .. the first one is vm86 () syscall generated signal 4 and the second is screens found but none have a usable configuration .. any help appreciated? |
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| 12:28.55 | dae | I've recently helped three of my friends to install sarge, and I think all of what ran into the exact same issue... When dpkg runs the confiure script for example on the xserver it displays the text based menu where the user can select the screen resolution. I don't think any of my friends realized they had to use spacebar to select things in here. So they keyed to the correct choice and hit enter which only got then the default selection.. |
| 12:28.55 | dae | . I'd like to consider this a UI bug, would that be fair ? |
| 12:28.58 | asperon-work | ill finish off by asking if there are any webresources describing this kind of setup? |
| 12:29.23 | rocky23 | flash_mupper edit the config file and correct the "screens not found" it means you havnt set up your graphics card or youve set it incorrectly |
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| 12:30.01 | Eulex | dae: ui bug? nope... user bug? yes |
| 12:30.02 | rocky23 | dae: then reconfigure xserver ? |
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| 12:30.09 | mrfrenzy | dae: your friends failed to read the ui instructions at the beginning of the installatio¨n |
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| 12:30.48 | rocky23 | dae: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:31.07 | dae | Eulex, mrfrenzy, yes I agree it's a user error. But 3 out of 3 users running into the same issue is in my mind an indication that the UI could be improved |
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| 12:31.14 | rocky23 | Gnea: im guessing you dont know how to use iproute ? |
| 12:31.17 | tralala | dae: that's rather pebkac |
| 12:31.23 | jethro | dae: or your friends could improve |
| 12:31.32 | Eulex | tralala: true |
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| 12:31.42 | rocky23 | dae: i never had a problem configuring xserver, after i read the instructions, by the way you can always just reconfigure like i said |
| 12:31.43 | dae | rocky23, Yeah I got them straighten out |
| 12:31.46 | mrfrenzy | dae: you mean the ui could be adapted to work like Microsoft Windows (TM) |
| 12:31.48 | jethro | dae: the installer is not meant to be used by underbrained people. |
| 12:32.13 | mrfrenzy | I don't know if I would call that an improvement |
| 12:32.17 | dbeal | brains should never be a factor |
| 12:32.26 | directhex|work | dae, yes, you're right, it's NOT obvious, unless one is used to the behaviour of ncurses, but try to file it as a bug, and expect the above reaction |
| 12:32.32 | dbeal | for if you had brains, you'd be able to write your own installer... |
| 12:32.34 | flash_muppet | rocky23: I am using a radeon 9600xt card .. I have used the vesa driver before with no problems .. just this time .. so I try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
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| 12:32.53 | jethro | dbeal: there are different degrees |
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| 12:33.06 | jethro | dbeal: a basic brain should allow you to read instructions. |
| 12:33.06 | Jhair | I think that "key to the correct choice and hit enter" isn't that underbrained... |
| 12:33.07 | rocky23 | flash_muppet: yes taht will reconfigure it, make sure the resolution isnt too high etc, and id use the ati radeon driver instead of nasty VESA |
| 12:33.07 | dae | directhex|work, That's why I wanted to get a sense of the reaction here first... |
| 12:33.09 | Eulex | dae: I've seen a total linux n00b installing debian, then messing everything up and reinstalling 2 times... and he had absolutely no problem with the installer |
| 12:33.14 | directhex|work | flash_muppet, check your /var/log/XFree86.0.log to find the actual error |
| 12:33.34 | rocky23 | directhex|work: he did, the screens not found :) |
| 12:33.38 | Jhair | but oh well, those are just users so who cares? *sigh* |
| 12:33.50 | directhex|work | !screens not found |
| 12:33.53 | directhex|work | bah |
| 12:33.57 | directhex|work | it's not an error |
| 12:33.57 | Eulex | lusers *giggle* |
| 12:34.03 | flash_muppet | directthex|work: the errors were vm86 () syscall generated signal 4 and the second is screens found but none have a usable configuration .. |
| 12:34.09 | directhex|work | "screen" in the case of xfree86 doesn't mean a screen |
| 12:34.12 | dbeal | jethro, problem is there's no clear cut definition of what a basic brain is. for example, what's wrong with coding an app so that a monkey can use it? or how about a dog? or rat? |
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| 12:34.19 | dae | mrfrenzy, No, but I was wondering is displaying back the choises the user made back to him before exiting the config script might be a good idea |
| 12:34.32 | dbeal | jethro, obviously this isn't what you were talking about, so i'll just drop it. |
| 12:34.42 | mrfrenzy | dae: no need for that in a curses interface |
| 12:34.47 | jethro | dbeal: d-i is meant to be used by human beings afaik |
| 12:34.52 | cusco_ | hi... mplayer can only play if the sound is not beeing used by any other program |
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| 12:34.53 | Zenox | When installing Tomcat from APT in Sarge it wants to install a java compiler. But I use SUN JDK that isnt in APT, so just want to install a dummy package to meet the requirements. Is this possible? |
| 12:34.57 | cusco_ | is there a solution? |
| 12:35.14 | Jhair | there should be more than one way to get the same result. E.g. I just hate debuggers who want you to type "next" every time (jdb) insted of "n" or "ne" or "nex" or "next" (gdb)... |
| 12:35.14 | asg | Zenox: yes, use equivs |
| 12:35.18 | jethro | cusco: you want dmix |
| 12:35.20 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone knows a free software to do constrained minimization of large problems (2M variables)? I'm trying ool without very good results |
| 12:35.24 | Gnea | Zenox: equivs |
| 12:35.30 | directhex|work | Zenox, yes, it is. the CORRECT solution would be to make a package from the sun java, using the provided tools |
| 12:35.31 | jethro | cusco: or a sound server. I'd use dmix though. |
| 12:35.44 | Jhair | it is more robust, one could argue the installer isn't being robust when surprises the users that way |
| 12:35.51 | tralala | dbeal: the problem is that such an application while being extremely useful for a monkey would not be useful at all for a human (i.e. brains attached) |
| 12:35.59 | Eulex | dbeal: to make a monkey be able to use d-i we'd first have to eliminate all text and ui... then make one *big* progress bar showing progress... or maybe number of bananas :) |
| 12:36.07 | cusco | jethro: dmix isn't in the repos |
| 12:36.12 | Gnea | directhex|work: so equivs is not correct? |
| 12:36.15 | jethro | cusco: it's an alsa plugin |
| 12:36.17 | Zenox | directhex|work: but there is no debs from sun java? |
| 12:36.17 | jethro | !dmix |
| 12:36.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 12:36.34 | Gnea | !equivs |
| 12:36.34 | jethro | cusco: read above |
| 12:36.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 12:36.34 | dbeal | tralala, if an app were designed to "fetch me a banana from the nearest market" then I think both monkeys and banana-eating humans would enjoy it. |
| 12:36.37 | asg | Gnea: it is a possible solution, using make-jpkg takes care of the problem in one fell swoop though. |
| 12:36.39 | directhex|work | Zenox, so? install java-package, run make-jpkg some_file_from_suns_website.bin |
| 12:36.42 | Eulex | jethro: so does it work ok? |
| 12:36.47 | jethro | Eulex: what? |
| 12:37.04 | directhex|work | Gnea, it's A solution, but it's not the best one in the context |
| 12:37.07 | rocky23 | want to have 2 ips on 2 nics and they both have one gateway, im worried that things arent working properly because of table main? it specified 2 lines with the same subnet but iwth 2 ips on 2 different nics, i reckon it just picks the first one from the route and causes it not to route as its going from the wrong interface etc? if i just have the one nic plugged in with the second interface ive set up i cant ping the gateway |
| 12:37.09 | dbeal | eulex, that is so funny it made me lol. |
| 12:37.20 | tralala | Zenox: google debian site:sun.com |
| 12:37.26 | Gnea | directhex|work: there is no blanketing 'best' solution tho |
| 12:37.27 | Zenox | directhex|work: ah ok, will look into make-jpkg |
| 12:37.38 | Eulex | jethro: that alsa plugin? is it stable? |
| 12:37.44 | directhex|work | Gnea, in the case of using sun java, yes, there is, and it's java-package. |
| 12:37.45 | Gnea | directhex|work: other than "make it work and make it work good" :) |
| 12:37.52 | Gnea | ah |
| 12:37.55 | jethro | Eulex: dmix does it's job on my laptop. I can't complain. |
| 12:37.59 | directhex|work | Eulex, it works moderately well. |
| 12:38.04 | dae | mrfrenzy, Out of the complete newbies you helped install sarge, how many figured out the curses interface correctly ? |
| 12:38.27 | asg | rocky23: make one nic use a default gateway, set a static route for the other to where it needs to go. Check lartc.org for more information. |
| 12:38.46 | dbeal | debootstrap was extremely painless for me (aside from finding the required .rpm). though I understand there is nothing particularly easy about surgical removal of windows-type operating systems followed by a debian install (by a newbie, hence the windows origin). |
| 12:38.53 | tralala | dae: a suggestion - instead of wasting your energy arguing here go and improve curses - all will benefit that way |
| 12:38.53 | rocky23 | asg: ive set up static routes for it already |
| 12:39.04 | dbeal | debootstrap on top of fedora, that is. |
| 12:39.25 | liable | fucking samba sucks dogs balls. |
| 12:39.34 | Gnea | dbeal: no pain no gain :) |
| 12:39.35 | directhex|work | it does? |
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| 12:39.44 | dbeal | (there should be a debian package which simply downloads an .rpm or tgz containing debootstrap). |
| 12:39.51 | Gnea | liable: what about carressing samba? |
| 12:40.00 | dbeal | for easy virus-like spreading..then we all become ghosts. |
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| 12:40.03 | dae | tralala, I'm trying to get a sense whether there is a need for improvement or not, my experience says it is, does yours ? |
| 12:40.05 | mrfrenzy | dae: if you put a noob in front of an interface without any introduction or advice about help files, don't excpect them to figure it out |
| 12:40.07 | liable | Gnea: heh |
| 12:40.08 | rocky23 | asg: i had static routes using ip rule and ip route do you mind if i pm to explain better |
| 12:40.11 | mrfrenzy | noobs DO NOT RTFM |
| 12:40.12 | Gnea | :) |
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| 12:40.32 | Gnea | mrfrenzy: are you a pro-admin? |
| 12:40.56 | mrfrenzy | Gnea: is that another german invention like root-server? |
| 12:41.02 | dbeal | i take back the ghost part. however, debian was tough as nails to get installed on my software raid setup. I wanted to preserve the previous XP filesystem. it was hard :-(... |
| 12:41.10 | mrfrenzy | I title myself IT consultant |
| 12:41.12 | tralala | dae: my experience says improvement is *badly* needed... it's only that it's not the software that needs it |
| 12:41.23 | Gnea | mrfrenzy: heh |
| 12:41.36 | dbeal | it's always harder when you're not just wiping everything clean. |
| 12:41.51 | Gnea | Thank you for the problem report you have sent regarding Debian. |
| 12:41.51 | Gnea | This is an automatically generated reply, to let you know your message |
| 12:41.51 | Gnea | has |
| 12:41.55 | Gnea | oops |
| 12:42.06 | tralala | dae: and don't forget - debian is an engenering os - it is supposed to be efficient, not n00b friendly |
| 12:42.27 | dbeal | wtf is engenering |
| 12:42.38 | dbeal | how come you didn't just type engenereng |
| 12:42.41 | Gnea | dae: if you want n00b-friendly then check out a debian-BASED distro |
| 12:42.48 | dae | tralala, OK, I think I've understood your position on the matter |
| 12:42.51 | Jhair | I think it has to do something with eigenvalues |
| 12:42.51 | Eulex | engineering? ubuntu? |
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| 12:43.14 | tralala | dbeal: baah, I can't type, so what? |
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| 12:43.40 | mejo | hello |
| 12:43.41 | dbeal | can u say mouse? :-) |
| 12:43.51 | Eulex | I've heard that ubuntu is pretty n00b-friendly |
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| 12:44.28 | mejo | how can i list the changes between installed version of my packages and version of packages in the archive? this should consider upgrades and downgrades. |
| 12:44.30 | tralala | dbeal: no, but I can ask dpkg to aolify you |
| 12:44.32 | dbeal | fuck every distro that pretends to be "easy to use" |
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| 12:44.48 | petemc | mejo: apt-cache policy package |
| 12:44.49 | dbeal | (except debian, if it happens to have said that...) |
| 12:44.58 | dae | Gnea, So if I had my n00b friends install a debian-BASED distro and then when they call or e-mail me for help would think be similar enough that I could help them based on my debian experience ? |
| 12:45.10 | directhex|work | dbeal, use, administer, install. these are all different things. |
| 12:45.19 | binaryc | is debian progency a debian based distro or just a second party gui installer |
| 12:45.20 | dae | Gnea, s/think/things/ |
| 12:45.29 | whm | find no error appear when update the kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 12:45.36 | Eulex | mejo: get yourself a changelog? |
| 12:45.39 | jm_ | mejo: my bro wrote a script that parsed available and status files and dpkg --compare-versions, but this was years ago, you could use libapt-pkg-perl |
| 12:45.45 | dbeal | tralala, sorry, I just have a thing about spelling..I lost the regional championship spelling bee tournament by just one letter when I was 6 and I'm bitter ever since... |
| 12:45.45 | Gnea | dae: yeah, in fact you should charge them :) |
| 12:45.48 | directhex|work | binaryc, it's a debian based distro |
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| 12:46.12 | james | hi, i am a debian noob: i have just installed debian and need help changing the resolutionwhat is the best irc prog for deb? |
| 12:46.12 | dae | Gnea, good point, I'd be rich by now :-) |
| 12:46.25 | Gnea | heheh |
| 12:46.32 | dbeal | directhex, the problem is that nobody ever differentiates between "easy to use" and "functions as specified/expected" |
| 12:46.33 | mikeX | james, wtf does resolution have to do with irc? |
| 12:46.44 | Rage__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.47 | Gnea | !aolify james |
| 12:46.57 | tralala | dae: the best thing for your friends is that someone else installs and configures debian for them and they start learning how to use it. |
| 12:47.10 | Eulex | james: resolution? depends on the desktop environment you use |
| 12:47.16 | atholas | What is the difference between discover and discover1? |
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| 12:47.24 | Gnea | james: the 'best' irc program is whatever suits you |
| 12:47.32 | james | sthis irc clent is screwed, it puts your things together need a new irc client before i get help with anything else |
| 12:47.36 | Rage__ | james: irssi | edit /etc/X11/XF86config-4 |
| 12:47.36 | tralala | dae: given, of course, that they *need* to be efficient computer users. Otherwise it simply doesn't matter. |
| 12:47.40 | mikeX | james, /msg dpkg irc, /msg dpkg xchat, /msg dpkg irssi |
| 12:47.53 | mrfrenzy | james: irssi |
| 12:47.58 | tralala | dbeal: I bet you lost it for typing u instead of you... |
| 12:48.02 | Gnea | james: irssi should be good enough |
| 12:48.08 | james | ok |
| 12:48.09 | Eulex | james: did you check the correct resolutions when configuring xfree86-xfree86? |
| 12:48.10 | directhex|work | james, there are 41 irc clients listed by "apt-cache search 'irc client'". most people will recommend irssi (text-based) or xchat |
| 12:48.11 | dbeal | tralala, as if spelling bees are run with keyboards? |
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| 12:48.36 | tralala | as if I know wtf is a spelling bee |
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| 12:48.47 | tralala | fuck it anyway |
| 12:48.51 | james | how do i get it, its not in the synaptic package manager - jeez, i am a real noob to this... |
| 12:48.53 | Gnea | well then |
| 12:49.05 | tralala | !tell james about noob |
| 12:49.09 | source1983 | don't say bad words please !! |
| 12:49.24 | paulswm | james: Choose out of the available IRC clients, a lot of people in here have 'irssi' religion, but you may find something like xchat easier to set up and use if you are coming from a windows background. |
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| 12:49.29 | Rage__ | james: apt-get install irssi |
| 12:49.37 | Rage__ | james: apt-get install vim |
| 12:49.37 | source1983 | hi !! |
| 12:49.42 | source1983 | hello !! |
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| 12:49.47 | Gnea | !ops source1983 , the troll, has returned. |
| 12:49.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: source1983 , the troll, has returned. |
| 12:50.08 | source1983 | i have one question in debian to ask ? |
| 12:50.28 | Eulex | Rage__: there is no package named irssi |
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| 12:50.32 | source1983 | how to install debian from hard disk ? |
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| 12:50.38 | devazion | Eulex: irssi-text |
| 12:50.42 | paulswm | Gnea: No trolling yet, that is kind of jumping the gun a bit, don't you think? |
| 12:50.46 | Gnea | source1983: oh that's easy: you don't. |
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| 12:50.58 | source1983 | yeah plese tell me ? |
| 12:51.00 | Gnea | paulswm: he was in here yesterday spouting the same things |
| 12:51.03 | Rage__ | Eulex: sorry irssi-text |
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| 12:51.14 | source1983 | hello answer me please ? |
| 12:51.21 | Gnea | paulswm: and this now |
| 12:51.21 | Eulex | Rage__: I'm gonna try it out |
| 12:51.31 | source1983 | how to install debian from hard disk ? |
| 12:51.32 | james | sorry accidenty left - ctrl+c closes a terminal |
| 12:51.38 | Eulex | source1983: you install from a set of cd's or from a netinstall cd |
| 12:51.42 | tralala | Eulex: but there is the apt-cache search command |
| 12:51.42 | james | what was that apt-get command again? |
| 12:52.04 | paulswm | Gnea: Yes, I rememebr him from yesterday, just thought he might have learned a lesson and returned penitent. Evidently I have too much faith in human nature. *sigh* |
| 12:52.04 | Rage__ | james: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 12:52.06 | source1983 | i have a image of the two dvd's on my hard disk n i wanna install from those images only |
| 12:52.06 | mikeX | james, look for irssi-text |
| 12:52.07 | Gnea | james: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 12:52.13 | tralala | james: it's man apt-get |
| 12:52.22 | Eulex | source1983: burn them |
| 12:52.31 | source1983 | don't have DVD writer ! |
| 12:52.38 | Eulex | source1983: bad for you |
| 12:52.41 | Gnea | paulswm: i understand that, but it's blatantly obvious |
| 12:52.43 | VoX | haha |
| 12:52.46 | source1983 | thanks but plz tell |
| 12:53.01 | Gnea | source1983: go away |
| 12:53.05 | Rage__ | source1983: you can use 2 floppies for net install |
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| 12:53.11 | james | (for ircssi or whatever)it says Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 12:53.11 | Eulex | source1983: you can't install from another hd, you must install from real cd's/dvd's |
| 12:53.12 | Gnea | !tell source1983 about rules |
| 12:53.12 | devazion | source1983: stfw |
| 12:53.15 | source1983 | how to use that |
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| 12:53.24 | tralala | james: are you root? |
| 12:53.24 | james | forget the part in bracets |
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| 12:53.28 | liable | james: shut synaptic |
| 12:53.30 | Eulex | james: run it from root or sudo |
| 12:53.35 | james | i opened a root term |
| 12:53.39 | james | inal |
| 12:53.44 | Rage__ | james: are you a) root and b) not doing some other install. |
| 12:53.45 | mikeX | source1983, mount them and make an ftp/http server |
| 12:54.04 | source1983 | i m newbie to server making please explain me |
| 12:54.10 | james | ahhh... i still had synaptic open |
| 12:54.14 | Gnea | source1983: google.com |
| 12:54.17 | Jhair | server making? what's that |
| 12:54.28 | source1983 | Gnea: Shut up ! |
| 12:54.30 | mikeX | source1983, ok, sit on your hands, and type 'make server' with your nose, that should do it |
| 12:54.33 | Gnea | !troll source1983 |
| 12:54.36 | james | ok, i got ircssi text - what do i do now? |
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| 12:54.44 | source1983 | !troll Gnea |
| 12:54.46 | Gnea | paulswm: do you believe me now? |
| 12:54.49 | Jhair | james: read the manual |
| 12:54.53 | rocky23 | s there anyone around that doesnt mind me picked their brain about iproute related routing please let me know i just have some questions |
| 12:54.54 | source1983 | Gnea: Shut up ! |
| 12:54.57 | devazion | james: start it =) |
| 12:54.57 | james | how..? |
| 12:55.03 | Rage__ | james: irssi -c <server> -n james |
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| 12:55.10 | devazion | james: man irssi-text |
| 12:55.17 | Gnea | heh |
| 12:55.23 | mrfrenzy | james: http://f0rked.com/core/irssi |
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| 12:55.26 | Eulex | haha, source1983 had enough :) |
| 12:55.26 | Rage__ | devazion: james: man irssi |
| 12:55.27 | paulswm | Gnea: I didn't say I didn't believe you :) |
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| 12:55.33 | Gnea | paulswm: oh ok :) |
| 12:55.35 | angelFaria | printing problem. printers (1 lpt and 1 usb) installed but no printing |
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| 12:55.50 | Gnea | angelFaria: installed cups? |
| 12:55.52 | paulswm | Gnea: Just hoped that he might have learned. Evidently not. |
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| 12:56.20 | Gnea | paulswm: he's probably 13 or so... good luck |
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| 12:57.28 | Gnea | james: have you created a user account yet? |
| 12:57.30 | paulswm | Gnea: I'm guessing that '1983' is his year of birth |
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| 12:57.45 | Gnea | paulswm: maybe it's his mom's year of birth |
| 12:57.57 | paulswm | Hah |
| 12:57.57 | Eulex | hehe |
| 12:58.00 | Gnea | :) |
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| 12:58.07 | tralala | :)) |
| 12:58.14 | Inflicted | installed debian 3.1... how do i make it boot with 1024x768 resolution for console?? grub is boot-loader. |
| 12:58.17 | tralala | !Gnea++ |
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| 12:58.26 | mikeX | Inflicted, vga=792 |
| 12:58.35 | Eulex | and video=vesafb |
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| 12:58.50 | Eulex | after the kernel image path in grub |
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| 12:59.45 | angelFaria | Gnea: i think so |
| 13:00.03 | Gnea | angelFaria: what printers are they? |
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| 13:00.08 | directhex|work | Inflicted, or, to summarise, edit /boot/grub/menu.list, find the kopts line, add "video=vesafb vga=792" to the end of it, and run update-grub |
| 13:00.15 | Rage__ | If i load a framebuffer later in boot and havent specified video=devicefb will i have problems, eg: blank screen + failed xserver start and having to type reboot in blind? |
| 13:00.32 | Rage__ | eg modprobe radeonfb |
| 13:00.34 | Inflicted | directhex|work: thanks! |
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| 13:01.09 | Inflicted | directhex|work: there's no kopts line in menu.lst ?? |
| 13:01.10 | directhex|work | Rage__, you might get odd things happening. i'm gonna play with video=foofb myself, since my new geforce can't use vesafb |
| 13:01.25 | Rage__ | interesting... |
| 13:01.25 | directhex|work | # kopt=root=/dev/sda3 ro vga=795 noexec=off |
| 13:01.30 | angelFaria | Gnea: hp-deskjet710C (lpt only) and minolta pagepro usb/lpt(usb connected) |
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| 13:02.13 | asperon-work | can anybody recommend a small functional distribution to netboot to? starting to feel i am going about this the wrong way? if it has dhcp support, dd support and ncftpget support that would be even better |
| 13:02.23 | Inflicted | directhex|work: aahhh... ok, got it!! must i take away the # before kopt? |
| 13:02.44 | angelFaria | Gnea: printer manager (kde control center) freezes. "Print system currently used: CUPS |
| 13:02.46 | directhex|work | Inflicted, no, it'll break if you do |
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| 13:02.54 | tralala | asperon-work: do you want a total diskless boot now? |
| 13:02.55 | Psayp | hi all |
| 13:03.11 | mikeX | Inflicted, update-grup uses these lines to update the real entries |
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| 13:03.20 | mikeX | s/grup/grub |
| 13:03.25 | Psayp | searching informations on wo to allow root scp. Does someone have a link or howto ? |
| 13:03.47 | asperon-work | tralala: yes, so that i later can dd the image |
| 13:03.48 | _root_ | hi |
| 13:03.57 | Eulex | psayp: what ssh server are you using? |
| 13:04.00 | petemc | Psayp: PermitRootLogin yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, probably |
| 13:04.02 | Inflicted | mikeX: ok |
| 13:04.09 | asperon-work | tralala: ie, a complete system that i can edit the scripts for etc, to do the ftp and dd operations |
| 13:04.22 | Psayp | Eulex: OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 |
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| 13:04.33 | Psayp | petemc: it is set to yes |
| 13:04.33 | tralala | asperon-work: lessdisks - it will give you a complete (or a minimal if you prefer) debian installation for use over nfs |
| 13:04.34 | Eulex | oh, then do what petemc told you |
| 13:04.57 | Eulex | then I dunno |
| 13:05.00 | asperon-work | tralala: ok, time to try it then =) |
| 13:05.00 | petemc | Psayp: sshd is easy to debug, check the logs, use debug mode |
| 13:05.03 | Psayp | ok :( |
| 13:05.16 | Psayp | i used but nothing clear |
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| 13:05.31 | tralala | asperon-work: it might require reading some docs but at the end works like a charm |
| 13:05.50 | Psayp | i tried an scp -v data.dat root@..... but nothing really clear in log message |
| 13:06.17 | tralala | asperon-work: I've setup myself a complete diskless firewall/NAT using it |
| 13:06.20 | f00bar | anyone know any way to extract base64 attachments from an email (I have the source of the email in a text file) |
| 13:06.29 | jm_ | f00bar: uudeview |
| 13:06.39 | Psayp | petemc: root login works but scp doesn't |
| 13:06.40 | f00bar | jm_: thanks |
| 13:06.44 | jm_ | f00bar: sorry, I didn't answer your question - yes, many people know it |
| 13:06.50 | tralala | asperon-work: there are however easier ways - live distributions like knoppix if all you want is a single successfull boot |
| 13:06.50 | asperon-work | tralala: is there a compress/decompress feature to access the files inside, or how is that handled? |
| 13:06.54 | f00bar | jm_: :) |
| 13:06.55 | _root_ | apt are u friend of filler |
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| 13:07.28 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 13:07.55 | tralala | !tell _root_ about u |
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| 13:08.02 | Aronofsky | did you guys have an idea when the big update will come for testing to pass from sarge to etch ? |
| 13:08.28 | Gnea | Aronofsky: it already happened |
| 13:08.32 | tralala | asperon-work: what do you mean? |
| 13:08.33 | paulswm | Aronofsky: Already happened. |
| 13:09.11 | Eulex | Aronofsky: sarge is stable. etch is testing |
| 13:09.11 | Gnea | angelFaria: ack, sorry about that, got caught into something else... sec |
| 13:09.14 | asperon-work | tralala: does it include tools to modify the disk image, to add programs, tools and scripts etc? |
| 13:09.14 | Aronofsky | so why amule for exemple didn't reappeared on testing ? |
| 13:09.20 | Inflicted | i have my network card configured for dhcp (which works fine), but i need to set a static ip... how do i configure my network card under debian comsole? |
| 13:09.41 | Eulex | Aronofsky: what? |
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| 13:10.21 | Aronofsky | Eulex, amule was on testing before freezing process, when will it come back ? |
| 13:10.22 | tralala | asperon-work: why don't you tell me what *exactly* are you trying to do? |
| 13:10.34 | paulswm | Inflicted: man interfaces |
| 13:10.52 | dae | Aronofsky, check out http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
| 13:10.55 | Gnea | angelFaria: what driver is being used with the 710c? |
| 13:10.57 | asperon-work | tralala: i want to need boot the client, load a small distro that via ftp connects to a server, gets a disk image and dds that to the harddrive, then booting into the local ha |
| 13:11.00 | asperon-work | ha even |
| 13:11.05 | asperon-work | netboot |
| 13:11.27 | daurnimator | I am james... |
| 13:11.47 | tralala | asperon-work: tell me your ultimate goal, not the steps you think it takes |
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| 13:11.55 | Gnea | angelFaria: and which pagepro is it? |
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| 13:11.59 | Psayp | nobody can help me with my root scp problem ? :( |
| 13:12.04 | Aronofsky | dae, it says that amule never was on testing but it was |
| 13:12.07 | asperon-work | tralala: to have a fresh diskimage written to the hd at each boot |
| 13:12.12 | tralala | daurnimator: I'm sooo pleased to meet you, james! |
| 13:12.15 | Gnea | Psayp: don't know your root scp problem |
| 13:12.17 | Aronofsky | Psayp, what is your pb ? |
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| 13:12.23 | Inflicted | paulswm: isnt there a script that can help me configure with nic?? |
| 13:12.32 | Psayp | actually i can login with root |
| 13:12.38 | tralala | asperon-work: and the point of this is? |
| 13:12.38 | Psayp | but can't do an scp with root user |
| 13:12.40 | dae | Aronofsky, it's trying to tell you why it's not on testing now, which I assume is what matters |
| 13:12.41 | daurnimator | ok, i need to change my resolution but the only things in screen resolution are 800x600 and 640x480, i would like my resolution to be 1280x1024. how do I do it. (i have an ati graphics card) |
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| 13:12.59 | tralala | asperon-work: how is that different than having no hdd at all? |
| 13:13.00 | Psayp | and when i try scp -v it doesn't give me clear infoos |
| 13:13.00 | asperon-work | tralala: to have a exact and correct copy of the os at every bootup (its in a computers lab) |
| 13:13.03 | guyzmo | hi |
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| 13:13.18 | asperon-work | tralala: the uses should be able to do anything they wish to the system |
| 13:13.27 | Gnea | daurnimator: rockin', edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and add them onto the Section "Screen" with the others |
| 13:13.29 | asperon-work | thats why it needs to be on a local drive |
| 13:13.30 | trygvebwScoo | is Sid more unstable now than before Sarge was released? |
| 13:13.39 | guyzmo | I have a system I wrecked a while ago, and there's no dpkg anymore |
| 13:13.41 | Eulex | inflicted: what model is your nick? |
| 13:13.43 | Gnea | trygvebwScoo: sid is still unstable |
| 13:13.44 | tarzeau | trygvebwScoo: who cares |
| 13:13.47 | caphuso | trygvebwScoo: yes |
| 13:13.52 | dae | daurnimator, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 , make sure you use the space key to select the screen resolution you want |
| 13:13.53 | guyzmo | (uninstalled with the yes, do as I do!) |
| 13:14.09 | guyzmo | is there a way to install dpkg in binaries ? |
| 13:14.10 | tralala | asperon-work: you mean, they will have root logins, install, upgrade, delete... ? |
| 13:14.19 | asperon-work | tralala: correct |
| 13:14.26 | trygvebwScoo | Gnea: really, imo, sid wasn't unstable *before* the release, i'm asking if it's more unstable NOW... |
| 13:14.32 | Psayp | Gnea: could you read my scp problem ? |
| 13:14.40 | Gnea | trygvebwScoo: it was unstable then and it still is |
| 13:14.41 | Inflicted | Eulex: what do u mean what model?? |
| 13:14.45 | Jhair | trygvebwScoo: as of yesterday the base system was unofficially "frozen" in sid, but in a few days this could change and sid will be badly broken as expected |
| 13:14.47 | asperon-work | and i want the script to be able to get different os:es on boot, so that they can use linux/bsd/windows/dos whatever |
| 13:14.51 | jm_ | guyzmo: get the deb, unpack it |
| 13:14.54 | mwilson | trygvebwScoo: Which just shows what your opinion is worth, really. |
| 13:14.55 | Gnea | trygvebwScoo: it depends what parts you're using |
| 13:14.57 | caphuso | Jhair: nonsense |
| 13:15.01 | Eulex | inflicted: what kind? manufacturer and model |
| 13:15.05 | guyzmo | jm_ - ok |
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| 13:15.14 | paulswm | trygvebwScoo: for risk assessment, you should operate under the assumption that sid is always unstable, but the answer is yes, it is more volatile |
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| 13:15.23 | guyzmo | jm_ - just the dpkg package ? |
| 13:15.28 | Inflicted | Eulex: i need a script that can help with configure with nic. my nic works fine, i just need to set static ip (192.168.0.3) instead of having dhcp? |
| 13:15.29 | trygvebwScoo | paulswm: thanks for your answer :) |
| 13:15.30 | guyzmo | or is there another I should unpack ? |
| 13:15.30 | jm_ | guyzmo: right, for now anyway |
| 13:15.33 | tralala | asperon-work: now *this* is something! |
| 13:15.35 | daurnimator | what should depth be? |
| 13:15.49 | caphuso | Jhair: dpkg package was upgraded yesterday. that does really not constitute a frozen base system |
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| 13:15.51 | asperon-work | Inflicted: just edit /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 13:16.00 | asperon-work | tralala: glad you aprove =) |
| 13:16.00 | Gnea | daurnimator: i prefer 24 |
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| 13:16.05 | tralala | asperon-work: it seems to me that they will need another reboot after the hdd image is being written to boot win/dos |
| 13:16.07 | dae | daurnimator, depends on what machine you have, try 24 |
| 13:16.07 | Jhair | caphuso: I said _unofficially_ |
| 13:16.14 | guyzmo | jm_ - I have the list of the packages I have to re-install, so I think I should be able to 'rebuild' the system |
| 13:16.19 | guyzmo | thanks :) |
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| 13:16.29 | jm_ | guyzmo: right |
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| 13:16.38 | caphuso | Jhair: still nonsense |
| 13:16.41 | daurnimator | ok, 24 it is |
| 13:16.46 | asperon-work | tralala: yes, i guess they would, unless that can be done via some kind of tool, but beeing in protcected mode probably makes that impossible |
| 13:16.50 | nicomen | is there a fix for gnome/nautilus? |
| 13:16.58 | directhex|work | nicomen, unstable/testing? |
| 13:17.03 | _root_ | apt whats your problem |
| 13:17.05 | daurnimator | hey, what program/command do you use to edit a file like this? |
| 13:17.12 | nicomen | directhex|work: unstable |
| 13:17.27 | directhex|work | nicomen, i think "wait" or "check the bug tracking system" are the solution |
| 13:17.29 | nicomen | directhex|work: most gtk programs crash |
| 13:17.35 | mwilson | nicomen: Does everyone get to guess what you might think is broken about it? |
| 13:17.39 | nicomen | directhex|work: I didn't find any bugs |
| 13:17.44 | Inflicted | i managed to make grub boot my console with vga=792 (1024x768), but where's tux - at the top??? :( |
| 13:18.03 | tarzeau | nicomen: no gnome and nautilus are broken beyond fixability |
| 13:18.03 | ce-girly | hguykjuyi |
| 13:18.03 | directhex|work | Inflicted, your kernel isn't compiled with a logo? |
| 13:18.06 | caphuso | Inflicted: you need to use a framebuffer console for that |
| 13:18.10 | ce-girly | niekjkjk |
| 13:18.12 | tarzeau | Inflicted: who cares? |
| 13:18.20 | Inflicted | i want tux |
| 13:18.22 | directhex|work | caphuso, vga=792 implies vesafb |
| 13:18.24 | tarzeau | OMG A KERNEL WITHOUT LOGO OMG |
| 13:18.30 | tralala | asperon-work: I haven't heard of such a tool. Anyway with lessdisks you will have what you want. It installs a fully functional debian with debootstrap. Then question is how are you going to configure these pcs to switch netboot/diskboot sequencially |
| 13:18.31 | Eulex | inflicted: the logo's not compiled into the stock debian kernel |
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| 13:18.34 | Eulex | afaik |
| 13:18.35 | daurnimator | hey, what program/command do you use to edit a file like Xfree config 4? |
| 13:18.40 | nicomen | mwilson: it's hard to track it down, gtk programs crash, but not all, and not always. gnome-panel is one for instance, also nautilus, I noticed a libnautilus was conflicting |
| 13:18.41 | Inflicted | directhex|work: its the default 2.6 (linux26) kernel that comes with sarge 3.1 |
| 13:18.44 | directhex|work | !drxx daurnimator |
| 13:18.44 | dpkg | daurnimator: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 13:18.45 | angelFaria | Gnea: pagepro 1300w |
| 13:18.54 | tarzeau | 15:18 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from Inflicted: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 13:18.54 | dae | daurnimator, any text editor |
| 13:18.58 | Eulex | daurnimator: nano? vim? |
| 13:18.59 | nicomen | tarzeau: ok |
| 13:19.00 | _root_ | what is the difference between "/sbin/bash" and "/bin/bash" |
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| 13:19.11 | angelFaria | 2ppma?? |
| 13:19.11 | tarzeau | _root_: the path |
| 13:19.18 | caphuso | directhex|work: ah, right. that crap |
| 13:19.22 | _root_ | gr8 joke |
| 13:19.25 | asperon-work | tralala: ill tackle that problem when i get there, right now i am pleased if i just can get the disk cloning to work |
| 13:19.29 | Gnea | angelFaria: do you have foomatic installed? |
| 13:19.35 | tralala | _root_: diff <(/bin/bash) <(/sbin/bash) |
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| 13:19.41 | directhex|work | caphuso, vesafb is crap? personally, i like seeing more than a few lines in my consoles |
| 13:19.42 | angelFaria | Gnea: yes |
| 13:19.42 | caphuso | directhex|work: completeluy forgot about it |
| 13:19.52 | caphuso | directhex|work: it's far too slow |
| 13:19.53 | tralala | _root_: and apply the same for all the questions of that kind |
| 13:19.53 | Psayp | Can someone help me resolving my root scp problem ? |
| 13:19.54 | _root_ | one is static and other is dynamic, right |
| 13:19.57 | nicomen | bluefish crashes only when opening a file |
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| 13:20.09 | directhex|work | caphuso, not in my experience |
| 13:20.10 | jm_ | directhex|work: I have used svgatextmode for that when I was using console, much better IMHO |
| 13:20.16 | Gnea | angelFaria: good, run foomatic-gui as root in X |
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| 13:20.29 | angelFaria | Gnea: foomatic worked fine recognozing printers and choosing drivers but then nothing happened |
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| 13:20.52 | _root_ | tralala : what is the point of having static and dynamic bash |
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| 13:21.11 | DistinctMind | morning |
| 13:21.17 | jethro | should I be able to use libnss-ldap in a chroot? the nss never queries my LDAP backend, even though any of the ldap-utils would work, and ldap.conf/libnss-ldap.conf are set with the appropriate values. |
| 13:21.18 | DistinctMind | I'm having a severe problem with mkinitrd |
| 13:21.23 | caphuso | directhex|work: compare it with matroxfb, for example, or regular text mode |
| 13:21.25 | angelFaria | Gnea: right now foomatic has no printer listed and "printer manager" from kde freezes |
| 13:21.26 | DistinctMind | it just doesn't ouput the image at all |
| 13:21.28 | Eulex | _root_: the static one can be used without having any libs, for example they're easy to use in a chrooted environment |
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| 13:21.39 | dae | nicomen, Have you compiled some glib / gtk stuff on your own that's now on your LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 13:21.41 | DistinctMind | anyone an idea? |
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| 13:21.50 | directhex|work | caphuso, matroxfb gives some weird error on my geforce |
| 13:21.50 | tralala | asperon-work: it will work. Install lessdisks and you will get the minimum needed debian install ready for use over nfs. Once you've netbooted this you'll be able to do whatever you want. |
| 13:21.52 | Gnea | angelFaria: ok, forget kde because that's just an environment front-end, foomatic is the actual configurator |
| 13:22.02 | brader | what do I use to mount drives at login? |
| 13:22.03 | caphuso | directhex|work: duh |
| 13:22.03 | tralala | _root_: what's the point of asking stupid questions here? |
| 13:22.15 | daurnimator | whats 256 mb in kb? |
| 13:22.20 | directhex|work | caphuso, and rivafb doesn't play nice with nvidia-glx |
| 13:22.20 | _root_ | tralala : ive got a problem with that |
| 13:22.22 | angelFaria | Gnea: ok |
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| 13:22.25 | asperon-work | tralala: does it require nfs? id rather NOT use it, if at all possible |
| 13:22.25 | daurnimator | is it * by 1024? |
| 13:22.32 | bobbens | daurnimator: yes |
| 13:22.33 | simonrvn | dae: um, you shouldn't need to even set LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 13:22.34 | caphuso | daurnimator: probably |
| 13:22.42 | wlinux | salve |
| 13:22.54 | Gnea | angelFaria: make *sure* that it's using the proper drivers/ppds: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_710C and http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Minolta-PagePro_1300W |
| 13:22.55 | simonrvn | coagula |
| 13:22.59 | directhex|work | daurnimator, not exactly. KiB would be *1024, KB would be *1000 |
| 13:23.29 | directhex|work | daurnimator, though almost everything uses the wrong terminology |
| 13:23.30 | Gnea | angelFaria: when it asks you for the ppd, be certain... and it's best to do one at a time |
| 13:23.37 | dae | simonrvn, Right, and if you do and you anyway and you include some junk you compiled on your own then things will go south and you will complain that gnome is broken... |
| 13:23.41 | _root_ | in my PATH variable "/sbin" has got more priority than "/bin" and my root bash in "/etc/passwd" is "/sbin/bash" |
| 13:24.05 | Gnea | angelFaria: you should also make sure your user is in the lp group as well |
| 13:24.06 | _root_ | now when i execute bash command the static bash is getting executed |
| 13:24.18 | Gnea | angelFaria: and lpadmin |
| 13:24.24 | _root_ | this is for both root and non-root user |
| 13:24.32 | Eulex | _root_: where did you get that one from? |
| 13:24.34 | flash_muppet | how do I find the busid of my video card? |
| 13:24.37 | simonrvn | _root_: so stop whining and change your PATH and your login shell |
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| 13:25.02 | _root_ | i am using trustix |
| 13:25.04 | Gnea | flash_muppet: lspci | grep VGA | awk '{print $1}' |
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| 13:25.06 | brader | flash_muppet, more importantly why do you need it read the instructions |
| 13:25.09 | directhex|work | flash_muppet, run lspci -X | grep VGA |
| 13:25.16 | flash_muppet | Gnea: thanks |
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| 13:25.23 | dae | flash_muppet, Are you sure you need to enter that ? |
| 13:25.27 | _root_ | i want a clarification that why its used like that |
| 13:25.27 | simonrvn | _root_: not my or our problem |
| 13:25.27 | Gnea | flash_muppet: just remember to clip the first 0000: off |
| 13:25.37 | directhex|work | Gnea, lspci -X, he'd only be asking if xfree86 was asking, and -X specifies XFree86-compatible output |
| 13:25.48 | tralala | asperon-work: I'm not quite sure if it is required but I think so. Anyway there are two other ways to do it without nfs - a small partition on each pc with linux installed there (which defeats the netboot actuallyt) and a big enough custom initrd image that has all the tools you need for cloning the disks. |
| 13:25.58 | Gnea | directhex|work: niiiiice |
| 13:26.08 | Rage__ | directhex|work: My laptop told me in no uncertain terms: "Don't play with radeonfb" more blind file editing, what fun. |
| 13:26.10 | brader | can I mount NT drives via fstab? |
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| 13:26.21 | Gnea | flash_muppet: what directhex|work said - make it like this then: lspci -X | grep VGA | awk '{print $1}' |
| 13:26.21 | tarzeau | brader: sure |
| 13:26.27 | directhex|work | PCI:1:0:0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] |
| 13:26.29 | tarzeau | brader: man 5 fstab |
| 13:26.30 | Guerin | !tell brader about vfatrw |
| 13:26.38 | _root_ | brader : you have to recompile the kernel with ntfs support |
| 13:26.40 | Gnea | PCI:3:0:0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0326 |
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| 13:26.45 | directhex|work | Rage__, a borrowed 9800xt taught me "don't bother with ati on linux" |
| 13:26.47 | Guerin | _root_: pure bullshit |
| 13:26.54 | directhex|work | Gnea, run "update-pciids" |
| 13:27.01 | cusco | jethro: I don't quite understand the ~/.asoundrc part |
| 13:27.08 | simonrvn | _root_: still woudln't allow r/w, only r/o |
| 13:27.09 | _root_ | Guerin : whats the reason |
| 13:27.17 | cusco | on sep 3 and step five of http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 13:27.18 | Gnea | !directhex|work++ |
| 13:27.19 | directhex|work | brader, debian kernels have NTFS read support |
| 13:27.20 | jethro | cusco: I have no time to explain. |
| 13:27.25 | Rage__ | directhex|work: I have learn't that the hard way. |
| 13:27.25 | Gnea | 0000:03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1) |
| 13:27.27 | ce-girly | hgrfhgfjkl |
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| 13:27.29 | Guerin | _root_: ntfs read is in the mainline kernel; write is only for lunatics. |
| 13:27.36 | tralala | asperon-work: btw the lessdisks installation is based on read only nfs, so you don't risk the data of your disk |
| 13:27.43 | Rage__ | directhex|work: needs xorg debian no have -> fun fun fun. |
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| 13:27.55 | brader | directhex|work, I thought so so proc I can't figure out but type being ntfs or smbfs? |
| 13:27.56 | cusco | jethro: what I mean is do I make the ~/.asoundrc with that text? |
| 13:27.56 | daurnimator | ok, i finished the wizard for resolution, how do I change it? |
| 13:28.00 | directhex|work | Rage__, i just stuck ubuntu on my laptop, it's a good laptop distro |
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| 13:28.04 | Hmmhesays | anyone remember the parameter to only allow samba to connect from a certain host? |
| 13:28.08 | asperon-work | tralala: i noticed, but i would prefer a none nfs solution if possible |
| 13:28.19 | Guerin | brader: smbfs is ONLY for volumes accessed over samba |
| 13:28.21 | dae | daurnimator, restart X |
| 13:28.22 | Rage__ | directhex|work: what makes it better than debian? |
| 13:28.25 | directhex|work | brader, ntfs and fat32 are for local disks. smbfs is for network mounts. they're not the same thing |
| 13:28.29 | asperon-work | tralala: i should be able to netboot any one disk dist, shouldn't i? |
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| 13:28.41 | brader | smbfs it is then |
| 13:28.47 | Guerin | brader: NO |
| 13:28.47 | directhex|work | Rage__, for laptops? it has support for modern laptop hardware, e.g. dothan-core pentium-m |
| 13:28.56 | nicomen | dae: nope |
| 13:28.56 | Gnea | there's always cifs |
| 13:29.03 | directhex|work | cifs is bugged to hell |
| 13:29.03 | _root_ | brader: i didnt notice that its a network mount |
| 13:29.10 | directhex|work | and smbfs is legacy crap |
| 13:29.10 | brader | ahh |
| 13:29.12 | Gnea | of course it is |
| 13:29.12 | directhex|work | can't win :) |
| 13:29.18 | Gnea | heh |
| 13:29.23 | Rage__ | directhex|work: would that be the pentium 4 m? |
| 13:29.25 | dae | nicomen, nope what ? |
| 13:29.26 | daurnimator | how do you change the default sound card? |
| 13:29.28 | brader | so I can't auto mount network drives? |
| 13:29.39 | Guerin | brader: sure you can. |
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| 13:29.40 | directhex|work | Rage__, no, pentium 4 m is discontinued as "a bad idea" |
| 13:29.41 | angelFaria | Gnea: thnaks for the tip. working on it. |
| 13:29.55 | Eulex | Rage__: *Pentium M* |
| 13:29.57 | directhex|work | brader, of courtse you can. i have 5 samba mounts in my fstab |
| 13:29.58 | iostream | directhex|work: What? |
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| 13:30.09 | Rage__ | directhex|work: Agh, feck, I love my brick <laptop> |
| 13:30.14 | Gnea | daurnimator: using alsa? just select it from your sound app if it supports it.. like hw:0,0 hw:1,0 |
| 13:30.24 | angelFaria | Gnea: is there a way of signaling when someone has answered you here in irc? |
| 13:30.30 | nicomen | dae: nope I haven't 15:21 < dae> nicomen, Have you compiled some glib / gtk stuff on your own that's now on your LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? ;) |
| 13:30.33 | Gnea | angelFaria: good luck with that |
| 13:30.41 | brader | directhex|work, could you throw me an example please |
| 13:30.44 | tralala | asperon-work: well if you insist on netbooting and no nfs I see a custom initrd image as the only other option. |
| 13:30.46 | directhex|work | iostream, whatwhat? |
| 13:30.53 | Gnea | angelFaria: yeah, use an irc client or script that supports nick highlighting |
| 13:31.10 | simonrvn | and beeping if you like that sort of thing |
| 13:31.12 | asperon-work | tralala: thats what i thought, ill try that route, thnx for your help |
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| 13:31.22 | dae | nicomen, Oh, soo an ldd /usr/bin/bluefish only point to stuff in /usr/lib then ? |
| 13:31.29 | dogwater | is there a way to add ip aliases to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:31.31 | Eulex | angelFaria: xchat does all that |
| 13:31.33 | iostream | directhex|work: Pentium IV <- bad design ? What? Why? |
| 13:31.34 | angelFaria | Gnea: using mIRC on winXP, and trying SIRC on debian but w/ no results, lol |
| 13:31.34 | dogwater | or do you have to write a script? |
| 13:31.35 | Gnea | i got epic4+third eye setup with sounds at one point |
| 13:31.37 | simonrvn | dogwater: yes |
| 13:31.58 | dogwater | simonrvn: any clue what that syntax is |
| 13:32.00 | Gnea | angelFaria: heh, try epic4+third eye or irssi |
| 13:32.02 | simonrvn | yes |
| 13:32.03 | brader | dae I dunno been using bluefish and trying to add syntax highlighting for C# and I can't seem to do it |
| 13:32.11 | Gnea | angelFaria: or xchat if you want a mirc-like client |
| 13:32.17 | directhex|work | iostream, do i have to start from the beginning, or can i assume some basic understanding of cpu architecture? |
| 13:32.30 | tralala | iostream: www.anandtech.com |
| 13:32.44 | iostream | directhex|work: Hehe, good question. Assume I have some knowledge.. |
| 13:33.07 | nicomen | dae: andom:/home/mendoza# ldd /usr/bin/bluefish | grep -v /usr/lib | grep -v /usr/X11R6/lib/ | grep -v " /lib/" |
| 13:33.10 | nicomen | random:/home/mendoza# |
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| 13:33.27 | simonrvn | @tell dogwater about ip aliasing |
| 13:33.42 | Gnea | ip aliasing is so old |
| 13:33.50 | directhex|work | iostream, netburst is very high power & high heat, and has hit a performance plateau. a 3.8ghz netburst chip struggles against a 2.4ghz amd64. pentium-m, which is close to the old p3 design, runs at a fraction of the heat of either of them, but higher performance-perc-clock than amd64 and almost double on p4 |
| 13:33.52 | simonrvn | damned useful |
| 13:33.59 | dogwater | right i know that ip aliasing is when you assign multiple ip addresses to single nic cards |
| 13:34.22 | Inflicted | how can i get colours when 'ls' in debian console... all i have is white file listings?? |
| 13:34.24 | directhex|work | iostream, in perspective, a top-end p4 puts out about 130W of hear, a top-end amd64 is 90W, a top-end p-m is 30W, all with comparable performance |
| 13:34.27 | angelFaria | Gnea: just started using MIRC, not yet used to it, so I can change. I´ll try one of your sugstions, :) |
| 13:34.28 | simonrvn | you can either use aliasing, or use up and down stanzas + ip addr statements |
| 13:34.29 | petemc | dogwater: its the same syntax |
| 13:34.45 | dogwater | petemc: you just type ip address again? |
| 13:34.50 | dogwater | that doesnt make much sense |
| 13:34.59 | simonrvn | with the latter however ifconfig doesn't show the extra IPs |
| 13:35.05 | jm_ | I remember a problem with IP aliases, at least with potato - it always returned an error so I used up approach |
| 13:35.11 | directhex|work | iostream, also, netburst architecturally goes pig slow on anything but highly predictable looped code, because it has a massively long pipeline (29 instruction iirc) |
| 13:35.16 | _raw | hi, I have an arm based embedded device with 4Mb of NOR flash which contains loader, setup block, kernel, rest is unused. I need to flash the kernel. The utility they provided can read/write from the setup block until the end. Can I used dd or some other tools to modify the image and copy the new kernel from a particular address and pad the rest to 1's |
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| 13:35.19 | simonrvn | though ip addr does |
| 13:35.35 | simonrvn | yeh, it's worked well since woody ;) |
| 13:35.39 | _root_ | why "/sbin/bash" and "/bin/bash" ? |
| 13:35.39 | simonrvn | (ip alasing) |
| 13:35.45 | dogwater | I was just curious to see if there was a way to insert them into interfaces or if i needed to just use ifconfig to do it |
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| 13:35.47 | tarzeau | _root_: don't repeat |
| 13:35.48 | james | i'm happy now, the screen is at the right resolution :) |
| 13:35.53 | iostream | directhex|work: Okay.. So the Pentium IV uses more power than the alternatives? So, what will Intel do? Continue on the Pentium M? (and what processor should i buy, if I were to buy one today?) |
| 13:35.55 | jm_ | _raw: dd has seek option |
| 13:35.59 | dogwater | because interfaces would be cleaner |
| 13:36.00 | Gnea | !iproute |
| 13:36.00 | dpkg | somebody said iproute was the successor to ifconfig and route and allows proper aliasing of ips rather than the old 'ip aliasing' scheme - read http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/howto/2.4routing-3.html |
| 13:36.17 | simonrvn | _root_: look, debian doesn't do /sbin/bash |
| 13:36.26 | iostream | Gnea: Thanks for info. |
| 13:36.29 | simonrvn | go to your distro's channel |
| 13:36.33 | Gnea | iostream: np |
| 13:37.08 | petemc | dogwater: you can put them in the interfaces file, using the same syntax |
| 13:37.24 | _raw | jm_: manual says seek skips blocks at the start of the output |
| 13:37.30 | jm_ | _raw: right |
| 13:37.36 | Guerin | _root_: /nick _rooted_ |
| 13:37.38 | directhex|work | iostream, intel have already started the migration away, by droping the pentium 4 brand and clock speeds - a new top-end pentium 4 cpu isn't a 3.6ghz pentium 4, it's a "pentium 660". this gives them wiggle room to massively scale back clock speeds, and use better cores |
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| 13:37.51 | dogwater | petemc: really, you just make a new block address/netmask? |
| 13:38.01 | tarzeau | !info supertransball2 |
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| 13:38.07 | dpkg | supertransball2: (Thrust type of game), section games, is optional. Version: 1.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 13:38.11 | directhex|work | iostream, the real crunh will come later this year/ beginning of next year, when the new Yonah core is released - a dual core em64t version of Dothan. this is the chip Apple are buying into. |
| 13:38.13 | iostream | directhex|work: Okay. Interesting. |
| 13:38.17 | dagar | does anyone use 2x promise ide controllers in there system? |
| 13:38.25 | tralala | !anyone use |
| 13:38.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:38.27 | tarzeau | dagar: probably |
| 13:38.53 | tralala | !tell dagar about ask |
| 13:38.56 | daurnimator | how do you change default saound cards ? |
| 13:39.06 | _raw | jm_: thanx, 'll see if that works for me. |
| 13:39.06 | iostream | directhex|work: Okay.. So if I were to buy a CPU today, what type would you recommend for low-end, medium and high-end? |
| 13:39.08 | petemc | dogwater: its just adding another entry for another interface, usual rules apply |
| 13:39.29 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 13:39.29 | Gnea | daurnimator: i already explained... |
| 13:39.35 | dogwater | so it would be eth0:0 |
| 13:40.03 | Gnea | o oops |
| 13:40.07 | Gnea | you got logged out |
| 13:40.10 | Gnea | daurnimator: [08:30AM] <Gnea> daurnimator: using alsa? just select it from your sound app if it supports it.. like hw:0,0 hw:1,0 |
| 13:40.14 | daurnimator | sorry as soon as i said that last time i accidently left, sorry. I'm not used to these keyboard shortcuts |
| 13:40.18 | directhex|work | iostream, low-end, AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice core), mid-end AMD Athlon 3700+ (San Diego Core), HIgh-end AMD Athlon FX 55. 700-series pentiums are VERY expensive right now, AMD chips are better bang for buck |
| 13:40.28 | Gnea | daurnimator: no problem |
| 13:40.52 | dogwater | i love my athlon 64 i just wish game makers would optimize for both |
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| 13:41.06 | iostream | directhex|work: Okay. Thanks for the clarification. :) Will look into the AMD CPU's. |
| 13:41.19 | daurnimator | i have an onboard 6 channel sound, which i use for a 5.1 system as well as a creative 128 for microphone and joystick |
| 13:41.32 | aeho | anyone here knows how to run duke3d linux port in a window, not fullscreen? |
| 13:41.35 | mrfrenzy | directhex|work: howeber expensive, the Intel 770 is rather fast :) |
| 13:41.37 | Gnea | yeah Tyan's really on the ball with AMD64 |
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| 13:41.41 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 13:41.41 | dpkg | somebody said anyone was ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:41.41 | Brainbug | I need help please, I have a problem installing Debian Sarge: I have arrived at the 'Apt configuration' and it says it is 'unable to auto-detect the CD-ROM drive or there is no usable CD in the drive'. The thing is that the cd-rom drive is working good, and the cd i'm using is an official release cd. I instaled the base system from this cd nicely and the problem raised when I got to this part of the installation and now I can't continue with the |
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| 13:41.48 | tralala | !anyone know |
| 13:41.48 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 13:42.11 | angelFaria | Gnea: both printers installed thru foomatic with their ppd's |
| 13:42.25 | directhex|work | mrfrenzy, yes, it is. but i'd say it doesn't justify its cost right now, especially given the price of socket 479 boards |
| 13:42.29 | angelFaria | Gnea: still no prints :( |
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| 13:42.52 | Gnea | angelFaria: open up a new terminal and type 'id', do you see lp or lpadmin there? |
| 13:42.53 | mrfrenzy | directhex|work: I agree, but I got an offer on a laptop I couldn't resist... |
| 13:43.07 | directhex|work | mrfrenzy, great laptop chip. centrino? |
| 13:43.12 | Gnea | directhex|work: i want a few of these: http://tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8qsdpro.html |
| 13:43.14 | Rage__ | Brainbug: Might wish to try net install if computer is direct internet connected... |
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| 13:43.26 | directhex|work | Gnea, no you don't |
| 13:43.27 | Brainbug | Has anybody else experienced something similar?? I'm really pulling my hair in this one........ |
| 13:43.47 | mrfrenzy | directhex|work: yes, with 2MB of L2 cache, 1 GB of ram, 16 MB of hdd cache etc, it gets quite quick |
| 13:43.48 | jm_ | Brainbug: can't you skip it? |
| 13:43.50 | Rage__ | Brainbug: maybe you need to load a driver module for it? |
| 13:44.00 | Gnea | directhex|work: why not? |
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| 13:44.08 | boycer | suddenly exim4 (etch) has started refusing to deliver local messages saying "unable to set gid=8 or uid=1000"... just out of the blue. argh... |
| 13:44.14 | daurnimator | so how do you change the sound card? |
| 13:44.25 | daurnimator | i have an onboard 6 channel sound, which i use for a 5.1 system as well as a creative 128 for microphone and joystick |
| 13:44.27 | Brainbug | Ill try skiping it....... |
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| 13:44.50 | Gnea | daurnimator: run alsaconf |
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| 13:45.03 | directhex|work | Gnea, first of all, you should never be buying tyan kit. that's the job of your vendor, the one giving you 4-hour callout on a support contract |
| 13:45.03 | jm_ | Brainbug: you can always run apt-setup later |
| 13:45.09 | daurnimator | in root? |
| 13:45.11 | Gnea | daurnimator: make sure they're both setup- what program are you using to change with? |
| 13:45.12 | Gnea | yeah |
| 13:45.21 | directhex|work | Gnea, second of all, who wants crappy 4-way opteron? http://www.iwill.net/product_2.asp?p_id=90&sp=Y |
| 13:45.41 | daurnimator | alsaconf - no command found |
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| 13:45.59 | directhex|work | alsa-utils and alsa-base packages |
| 13:46.04 | Gnea | directhex|work: ok first of all, i'm talking about my personal setup, not works. second, tyan > iwill is proven. |
| 13:46.22 | directhex|work | Gnea, show my a tyan setup that will do 16-way smp |
| 13:46.25 | directhex|work | *me |
| 13:46.34 | dbeal | Separation of text/data, separation of style/structure. |
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| 13:46.57 | directhex|work | Gnea, and again, buying 4-way tyan for home is silly. if you're buying enterprise kit, get support on it, it's too expensive to jsut replace when it blows |
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| 13:47.40 | Gnea | directhex|work: good point.. now that i checked it out, it might actually be viable either way... |
| 13:47.44 | dagar | I have 2 promise ide controllers, 4 160GB hard drives total, the system shows all 4 ide devices on startup but I only have device entries for 2 of them |
| 13:47.51 | daurnimator | alsaconf - no command found what to do? |
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| 13:48.09 | boycer | stupid damn exim suddenly needed to be setuid root... why? nothing changed! |
| 13:48.14 | directhex|work | daurnimator, install alsa-base and alsa-utils. and run alsaconf as root. |
| 13:48.18 | Rage__ | daurnimator: need to be root. |
| 13:48.25 | tralala | dagar: man mknod |
| 13:48.40 | daurnimator | i am root, is alsa base etc in synaptic? |
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| 13:48.54 | Gnea | yeah |
| 13:49.16 | directhex|work | Gnea, i wouldn't buy iwill either. but i would buy $vendor's 8-way 16-core opteron that looks an awful lot like a tyan, with a support contract attached |
| 13:49.22 | directhex|work | infact, i'll be buying 3 in a month |
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| 13:49.32 | directhex|work | s/tyan/iwill |
| 13:49.39 | directhex|work | / |
| 13:49.40 | Rage__ | Just for comedy i am playing music with xmms, stop it... alsaconf -> no sound cards found!! |
| 13:49.44 | tralala | dark: and man makedev |
| 13:49.45 | Gnea | directhex|work: hrm yeah... |
| 13:49.59 | tralala | dark: sorry, typo |
| 13:50.04 | tralala | dagar: and man makedev |
| 13:50.16 | dagar | its weird because I never had this problem before |
| 13:50.22 | directhex|work | Gnea, i build my own pentiums, athlons, etc. i don't do xeon and opteron |
| 13:50.23 | dagar | I upgraded the to a new motherboard |
| 13:50.47 | dagar | same issue in fedora, knoppix and sarge but never happened before when the mainboard was a p2, its now an athlon 1800 |
| 13:50.52 | tralala | dagar: the software world is full of wierd problems |
| 13:51.14 | dagar | its just annoying because setting up software raid during install locked the system |
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| 13:51.15 | dagar | thanks |
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| 13:51.27 | Gnea | directhex|work: yeah it's a trade-off |
| 13:51.38 | ce-girly | bandung |
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| 13:52.02 | dagar | is it not strange that the devices all show during the partition part of sarge install? |
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| 13:52.35 | angelFaria | Gnea: need some more help. :) when tried to print text file, print system freezes |
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| 13:53.08 | Gnea | angelFaria: ok - now that foomatic is set and it's still freezing, can you open a browser and go to http://localhost:631/ ? |
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| 13:53.53 | directhex|work | Gnea, hey look, tyan announced the thunder k8qw, 8-way opteron system ;) |
| 13:54.06 | Hagbard23 | It is impossible for me to update gnome on my sid box, because of the dependencies. Is this a bug? |
| 13:54.24 | jethro | !topicsmite Hagbard23 |
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| 13:54.26 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Hagbard23. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:54.31 | directhex|work | Hagbard23, it's a state of fact you took onboard when you decided to run sid: sid breaks |
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| 13:54.54 | ce-girly | ?/bandung |
| 13:55.03 | _root_ | bye guys :) |
| 13:55.05 | sh4dowcat | has anyone ever run dual screen configurations in debian? |
| 13:55.07 | ce-girly | bnadung |
| 13:55.12 | brader | oh no you mean I can't update my sid installation until they fix a few bugs |
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| 13:55.15 | directhex|work | sh4dowcat, many people have |
| 13:55.18 | angelFaria | Gnea: Yes i'm in |
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| 13:55.24 | sh4dowcat | directhex|work: I have a laptop |
| 13:55.29 | Gnea | directhex|work: verrrrrrrry funny ;) |
| 13:55.34 | sh4dowcat | and I'm trying to figure out how to use the VGA out properly |
| 13:55.34 | fschulte | hi, i've got some problems booting a fresh debootstraped uml system. reaching runlevel 2 i get the following error: "Using a channel type which is configured out of UML" can you help me? |
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| 13:55.39 | ce-girly | /bandung |
| 13:55.48 | directhex|work | sh4dowcat, which graphics chipset? |
| 13:55.52 | sh4dowcat | directhex|work: any pointers as to where I can get some more information on the subject? |
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| 13:56.03 | sh4dowcat | directhex|work: i815 family |
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| 13:56.08 | Gnea | angelFaria: ok, so both printers are set - do they each have a class assignment? |
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| 13:56.17 | sh4dowcat | Intel i865GM to be exact |
| 13:56.23 | ce-girly | #bandung |
| 13:56.26 | Gnea | !uml |
| 13:56.27 | dpkg | i heard uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
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| 13:56.40 | angelFaria | Gnea: no classes assigned |
| 13:56.47 | ce-girly | bandung |
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| 13:56.51 | drac | sh4dowcat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -> driver i810 |
| 13:56.51 | directhex|work | sh4dowcat, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fi%2Fi855-crt%2Fi855-crt_0.4-0ubuntu1_i386.deb&md5sum=028c3d48ddf9156357f69ddc609867a8&arch=i386&type=main |
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| 13:56.58 | directhex|work | drac, not useful. |
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| 13:57.19 | sh4dowcat | drac: I already got that part |
| 13:57.22 | drac | ok. |
| 13:57.22 | snaRf | you can force people to /part on freenode? interesting |
| 13:57.25 | Gnea | angelFaria: ok, you should set one up for each then - but test printing via each printer page as well - also check permissions on the /dev/ files |
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| 13:57.32 | directhex|work | sh4dowcat, install the above package, run "i855crt swcursor on 1024x768@70" |
| 13:57.49 | sh4dowcat | directhex|work: is that screen clone or extended desktop? |
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| 13:58.09 | directhex|work | sh4dowcat, clone. i don't think you can extend the desktop without major screen artefacts on i810 |
| 13:58.11 | sh4dowcat | I can already get an external monitor to clone what's on the display |
| 13:58.15 | angelFaria | Gnea: CUPS is prompting for a passwrd??!!! |
| 13:58.25 | Gnea | angelFaria: ah, root password likely |
| 13:58.26 | sh4dowcat | directhex|work: hmm.... |
| 13:58.40 | sh4dowcat | thanks for the link directhex|work |
| 13:59.03 | directhex|work | sh4dowcat, it's a package i've worked on, to fix some compatability issues. |
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| 13:59.49 | kneet | angelFaria, some CUPS work needs a user/pass as someone in the lpadmin group - or root |
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| 14:00.01 | sh4dowcat | directhex|work: hmm |
| 14:00.07 | sh4dowcat | I'm mostly looking for extended |
| 14:00.14 | sh4dowcat | clone isn't really an issue |
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| 14:00.30 | mvirkkil | How can I find what package to install to get a certani .h file? |
| 14:00.41 | caphuso | mvirkkil: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:01.03 | daurnimator | can you view ntfs drives in debian? - if so how? |
| 14:01.06 | directhex|work | sh4dowcat, if clone isn't an issue, your i865 works better than my i915 |
| 14:01.08 | mvirkkil | caphuso: I understood that that's just for installed packages? |
| 14:01.12 | directhex|work | daurnimator, mount them. |
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| 14:01.17 | Rage__ | mvirkkil: debian website has search page last serch on page. |
| 14:01.38 | caphuso | mvirkkil: you understood wrong |
| 14:01.59 | brader | Pingu isn;t that those lame cartoons with te claymation penguin and the seal? |
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| 14:02.19 | Rage__ | Pingu RULEZ! |
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| 14:02.59 | daurnimator | how? i don't know anything |
| 14:03.10 | angelFaria | Gnea: i'm in the CUPS config |
| 14:03.13 | brader | daurimator man mount |
| 14:03.33 | tralala | !fgi daurnimator ntfs+howto |
| 14:03.34 | dpkg | daurnimator: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ntfs+howto |
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| 14:04.15 | Alorna | What's the default windows sharing password ? |
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| 14:04.22 | sh4dowcat | directhex|work: heh don't get me started on this winlaptop |
| 14:04.27 | brader | Alorna????? |
| 14:04.28 | tralala | Alorna: it's debian |
| 14:04.35 | sh4dowcat | I have to use the 855resolution patch to get the lcd to run at 1400x1050 |
| 14:04.47 | abel | anyone here have allready install sucessively an usb irda dongle ? |
| 14:04.48 | Alorna | Yes i'm trying to access the shares on the network from debian |
| 14:05.11 | brader | Alorna a domain or a workgroup? |
| 14:05.35 | Alorna | brader, what's the diffrence ? |
| 14:05.38 | tralala | Alorna: there isn't default password if the shares are publicly available you will not be asked for password |
| 14:06.01 | Gnea | angelFaria: ok, try to test print from the cups config |
| 14:06.07 | brader | Alorna hmm a dddomain has a central repository for passwrods a workgroup takes care fo passwords locally |
| 14:06.09 | Alorna | well, we're connected on a network and when i use smbclient or mount to mount the smb shares, i get asked for a password |
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| 14:06.21 | Alorna | workgroup. |
| 14:06.56 | brader | Alorna well find out a username and password to access the share or have them create a user for you to caccess it with |
| 14:07.07 | Gnea | directhex|work: oh, found it |
| 14:07.11 | cbr | what program can i use to for example do 001+1 in terminal and get 002 as a result.. and for 001+11 i'd get 012 etc |
| 14:07.23 | angelFaria | Gnea: just did it with hp710, no go. |
| 14:07.25 | _raw | hi, Is there a device that compliments /dev/zero, to output one(s) that I could use with dd |
| 14:07.29 | Eulex | cbr: bc? |
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| 14:07.32 | yaboo | how do I lilo from the boot cd with the lilo.conf on the /mnt |
| 14:07.49 | angelFaria | Gnea: it asks foa a location for the class !!?? |
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| 14:08.10 | cbr | Eulex: how do i set it to be 002 for example though? |
| 14:08.14 | cbr | and not just 2 |
| 14:08.21 | Eulex | I dunno |
| 14:08.30 | Eulex | cbr: man bc? |
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| 14:08.39 | tralala | cbr: or dc |
| 14:08.39 | Gnea | angelFaria: sec.. |
| 14:08.40 | caphuso | _raw: sure. just like there's one for 42, and 666, and 1345635... |
| 14:09.04 | cbr | they cant do $ dc 1+1 though |
| 14:09.21 | caphuso | dc is a RPN calculator, you need 1 1+ |
| 14:09.33 | cbr | huh? |
| 14:09.43 | cbr | is there anything that can calculate on cmdline? |
| 14:09.50 | caphuso | cbr: a bazillion of things |
| 14:09.52 | Eulex | !rpn |
| 14:09.52 | dpkg | it has been said that rpn is Reverse Polish (or Lucaszewicz) notation, also known as postfix. The arithmetic operators are placed after the numbers, thus removing the need for parentheses. For example, (3+(4*2)/7 becomes 3 4 2 * + 7 / or used in HP calculators, which is a large part of why they're a million times better than TI's. or at http://www.hpmuseum.org/rpn.html |
| 14:09.52 | cbr | like $ program 2+2 |
| 14:09.59 | tralala | cbr: are you taking a poll? |
| 14:10.12 | _raw | caphuso: u mean there is no way I can write all ones using dd? |
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| 14:10.53 | tralala | _raw: he means, /msg dpkg sicco |
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| 14:11.22 | cbr | i could do it with perl somehow too i think |
| 14:11.30 | caphuso | perl -e 'print 1 x 100;' |
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| 14:11.58 | eye69 | dc |
| 14:12.00 | caphuso | i have no friggin' idea why in all world you'd want to use dd. it's a completely nonsensical way |
| 14:12.06 | Eulex | cbr: dc -e expression? |
| 14:12.38 | Gnea | angelFaria: location should match the deviceuri of the printer |
| 14:12.43 | adjacent | at some point in the past i removed something that mailx needed to send mail properly. -v from mail and mailx arent giving any clues, they both just hang trying to send mail. any pointers? |
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| 14:13.08 | dagar | is there a module configuration ncurses interface like in woody? talking about sarge |
| 14:13.23 | Gnea | angelFaria: so for the usb printer it would be like usb:/dev/usb/lp0 or something |
| 14:13.26 | petemc | dagar: you can install modconf |
| 14:13.40 | tralala | xsdg: may I ask you for a cloak? |
| 14:13.41 | angelFaria | Gnea: deviceuri? |
| 14:13.48 | Gnea | angelFaria: DeviceURI yeah |
| 14:13.50 | Gnea | angelFaria: hrm... |
| 14:14.03 | Gnea | angelFaria: can you get either printer to print while the other is not connected? |
| 14:14.43 | directhex|work | my printer was something like usb://CanonS300 |
| 14:14.44 | _raw | caphuso: The problem is I have an embedde device with 4Mb NOR flash, which has loader+setupblock+kernel+rest unused |
| 14:14.44 | cbr | $ dc -e 2+2 |
| 14:14.45 | cbr | dc: stack empty |
| 14:14.56 | caphuso | cbr: again, dc is a RPN calculator |
| 14:15.01 | caphuso | please pay attention |
| 14:15.04 | cbr | $ dc -e '2 2 +' |
| 14:15.05 | Gnea | directhex|work: right, for the class - |
| 14:15.06 | cbr | this does nothing |
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| 14:15.16 | _raw | I need to flash the kernel. the vendor gave a utility which read/write from setupblock to the end. |
| 14:15.22 | brader | cbr you don;t happen to play warcraft3 TFT under the same name do you? |
| 14:15.25 | tralala | cbr: 2 2 + f |
| 14:15.33 | angelFaria | Gnea: there not ptinting. it seems i did some mess in a previous config atempt. wainting. |
| 14:15.38 | cbr | tralala: thanks |
| 14:15.41 | cbr | why the f |
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| 14:15.56 | caphuso | cbr: drop the f and look at the difference |
| 14:15.57 | Eulex | cbr: you must tell it to print it... |
| 14:16.07 | cbr | without the f it just does nothing |
| 14:16.12 | _raw | caphuso: someone suggested used seek option in dd |
| 14:16.14 | tralala | cbr: man dc |
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| 14:16.14 | cbr | ah f prints it |
| 14:16.21 | Gnea | angelFaria: that's not what i'm asking - if you turn off and disconnect the USB printer, can you get the Parrallel printer to work? |
| 14:16.28 | Eulex | cbr: it does something, but it doesn't print anything |
| 14:16.54 | caphuso | _raw: and you can't just use the vendor tool? |
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| 14:17.03 | daurnimator | ok, i need help mounting an ntfs volume, i just don't get it |
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| 14:17.22 | brader | cbr I was just wandering because I was playing with this guy and his battle cry when we attacked the opponents base and said "Let's push green's shit in!" I thought it was rather amusing just wanderng if yoru the same guy |
| 14:17.34 | Eulex | daurnimator: mount -t ntfs device mountpoint |
| 14:17.38 | cusco | !dmix |
| 14:17.38 | dpkg | dmix is probably an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
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| 14:17.59 | _raw | once I have the image I can use the vendor tool to flash. I idea is to use dd to create an image by putting together setupblock+zImage+pad the rest with ff (1's) |
| 14:18.01 | Pupeno | hello |
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| 14:18.04 | cbr | no, i've never played the game |
| 14:18.07 | cbr | $ dc -e '`cat /home/cbr/counter` 2 + f' |
| 14:18.11 | cbr | this doesnt work though :p |
| 14:18.26 | daurnimator | eulex: what is mount point? |
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| 14:18.59 | Pupeno | How do I get back the original configuration for mysql (on /etc/mysql/) ? |
| 14:19.02 | caphuso | cbr: how about you go learn some basic shell scripting first? |
| 14:19.02 | snail | daurnimator: where the volume hsould appear in the filesystem tree |
| 14:19.03 | Eulex | daurnimator: where you want it to be mounted, ie /media/floppy for floppies |
| 14:19.19 | Eulex | daurnimator: can be any directory, but it must exist |
| 14:19.29 | xsdg | Pupeno: purge; wipe /etc/mysql; reinstall :o) |
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| 14:19.38 | daurnimator | so eg. mount -t ntfs device /mnt/win/c |
| 14:19.41 | tralala | cbr: learn how to read manuals, then read the bash manual and learn the quoting methods |
| 14:19.42 | Eulex | daurnimator: and it's good if it's empty |
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| 14:19.48 | Pupeno | xsdg: how do I reinstall (mysql) ? |
| 14:19.58 | poncha | xsdg, forcing reinstall (with install --reinctall) won't work ? |
| 14:20.13 | xsdg | poncha: it won't do anything to the config files (by design) |
| 14:20.16 | poncha | *reinstall |
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| 14:20.18 | poncha | :) |
| 14:20.19 | Eulex | daurnimator: yeah, and device is /dev/hdxn, or whatever your windows partition is |
| 14:20.20 | poncha | ah |
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| 14:20.29 | poncha | then purge really is only option ;) |
| 14:20.56 | poncha | well... unless you are willing to open package manually and copy over :) |
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| 14:21.11 | fschulte | Gnea: thanks for your hint, but unfortunately removing *hwclock* didn't help |
| 14:21.25 | _raw | caphuso: the stupid vendor did not give me the option to just flash the kernel directly |
| 14:21.42 | tosh| | im in the grub CLI and I can't seem to find the root device of this machine thats unable to boot (someone upgraded the kernel and didn't reboot properly). any way of detecting the rootdisk? |
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| 14:22.12 | Eulex | anyway, gotta go for a while |
| 14:22.15 | daurnimator | so i type eg. mount -t /dev/hda1 /mnt/win/c |
| 14:22.20 | Eulex | yes |
| 14:22.20 | cat | tosh|: try doing fsck or mount -t |
| 14:22.26 | daurnimator | thanks |
| 14:22.43 | cat | wrong user |
| 14:22.44 | Eulex | oh, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win/c |
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| 14:22.49 | caphuso | _raw: well, then use perl to create the necessary numbers of 1, pipe it into dd and write it to your flash thing |
| 14:23.05 | Eulex | daurnimator: add ntfs after -t |
| 14:23.06 | gtigene_ | When I switch my network interface from dhcp to static ip using netcardconfig, it says "network unreachable". netstat -nr shows no route to the default gateway. What should I do? |
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| 14:23.16 | daurnimator | ok |
| 14:23.38 | daurnimator | done and no errors :) |
| 14:23.38 | Eulex | ok :) |
| 14:23.38 | caphuso | (assuming your perl knowledge isn't good enough to use open() and seek()) |
| 14:23.40 | cbr | $ echo `cat /home/cbr/counter`+2 | bc |
| 14:23.42 | cbr | 3 |
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| 14:23.45 | cbr | like this xD |
| 14:23.47 | Donald | gtigene_: edit /etc/network/interfaces directly |
| 14:23.52 | Eulex | I gotta go now... |
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| 14:24.04 | _raw | caphuso: thanx. I will need to know perl now :)...can u give an eg: |
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| 14:24.17 | daurnimator | ok, i'm learning alot thanks guys |
| 14:24.24 | cat | cbr: echo `cat /home/cbr/counter`+2; | bc |
| 14:24.26 | gtigene_ | Donald: I got same result when editing the interfaces file directly. |
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| 14:24.42 | caphuso | _raw: i'm pretty sure that the camel book as one |
| 14:24.46 | cat | grrr |
| 14:24.47 | cbr | cat: that fails |
| 14:24.52 | cat | yeah big time hold up |
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| 14:24.56 | tralala | _raw: while true; do echo 1; done | dd of=... bs=... |
| 14:25.16 | daurnimator | how do i make it so I can access this mounted disk from a normal user (not root) |
| 14:25.23 | cbr | but how can i get bc to output 001 instead of 1 ? |
| 14:25.34 | cat | | bc? |
| 14:25.40 | directhex|work | daurnimator, add "-o umask=222" to the mount command, if memory serves |
| 14:25.51 | daurnimator | what doe sit do? |
| 14:25.54 | cbr | i mean 001 not 1.. that it would print 3 numbers |
| 14:25.57 | Donald | gtigene_: iface eth0 inet static - dann then address netmask network broadcast gateway |
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| 14:26.03 | tarzeau | damn why did jm_ left |
| 14:26.22 | Davidicus | daurnimator, that sets the default umask of the drive |
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| 14:26.36 | daurnimator | do you have to unmount |
| 14:26.41 | Davidicus | to set the default permissions on every file/directory in the drive |
| 14:26.41 | cat | cbr: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:26.41 | daurnimator | if so, how? |
| 14:26.42 | Donald | gtigene_: and of cource /etc/init.d/network restart - does not help? |
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| 14:26.57 | _raw | tralala: thanx. I 'll try that |
| 14:26.59 | Davidicus | umount /mount/point |
| 14:27.12 | snail | daurnimator: read the man page "man mount" |
| 14:27.20 | cbr | cat: i'm trying to do 001+1=002 |
| 14:27.22 | Davidicus | mount -o umask=222 /dev/device /mount/point |
| 14:27.26 | directhex|work | daurnimator, unix permissions are given in octal numbers - 4 means read, 2 means write, 1 means execute, so 5 means read and execute but not write. you get 3 sets of permissions, for the user who owns the file, the group that owns the file, and all users of a system |
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| 14:27.30 | gtigene_ | Oh, Donald, I did not know I needed network restart. I bet that will help. Thanks. |
| 14:27.35 | jharrisonwk | daurnimator: and man umount |
| 14:27.48 | Donald | gtigene_: OK :) |
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| 14:28.02 | directhex|work | daurnimator, umask=222 means "this file system should be mounted so all files have permissions of 777 minus 222", or 555, which means all users read & execute |
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| 14:28.07 | Davidicus | so, my question: is gnome-panel/nautalus broken in unstable, and is there a workaround. |
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| 14:28.23 | directhex|work | Davidicus, things are screwy atm, for gnome 2.10 incoming |
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| 14:28.29 | daurnimator | ok |
| 14:28.53 | Davidicus | directhex|work, thanks, any idea what i should do? revert to stable for the time being? |
| 14:29.14 | cat | cbr: echo `cat /home/cbr/counter`; bc +2 |
| 14:29.17 | cat | try that |
| 14:29.20 | directhex|work | Davidicus, try "not use unstable", that would be a good choice. for now, you're sorta stuffed, debian has no downgrade facility |
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| 14:29.54 | Davidicus | awesome. thats what i get for using debian on my work computer. |
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| 14:30.02 | cbr | cat: nope |
| 14:30.05 | Davidicus | and deciding to upgrade this week. |
| 14:30.07 | directhex|work | Davidicus, s/debian/unstable/ |
| 14:30.09 | Donald | Can the Files on an USB Stick be damaged, when i do not unmount it correctly? and how is it on Win32 ? Does anyone know? |
| 14:30.17 | Davidicus | directhex|work, well, yes. |
| 14:30.20 | caphuso | Donald: yes. the same. |
| 14:30.26 | directhex|work | Donald, yes, and identical |
| 14:30.37 | caphuso | wow, i agree with directhex|work |
| 14:30.45 | Donald | caphuso: ah, OK! Tnx. |
| 14:30.55 | Donald | directhex|work: ok, tnx. good to know. |
| 14:31.00 | directhex|work | Donald, windows, as linux, can mount usb storage as sync or async. async is default, where changes are only written when you run umount (or Safely Remove Hardware). sync is slower, as changes are written on the fly |
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| 14:31.27 | directhex|work | caphuso, we're not usually that far in disagreement, there are others in authority in #debian i tend to argue with somewhat more |
| 14:32.26 | Davidicus | Donald, by default, windows will slowly write the files in the background (as will linux), but dropping a file on, then immediatly yanking out the drive will loose the file, allmost allways. MacOSX seems to never write the files until you unmount the drive, leading to even easier data corruption |
| 14:32.45 | Donald | directhex|work: ok. i have added the sync option in my auto.misc file. |
| 14:32.46 | d0uglas | if i got one working deb box and a recursive BSODing Win2000 box from a guy who wants his data retrieved, would the simplest way be to set the jumpers on the hard drive to master and the other to slave, boot debian and mount win2k's filesystem (whatever that is)? |
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| 14:33.06 | d0uglas | or is that one unmountable |
| 14:33.07 | jetx | yes d0uglas it would |
| 14:33.12 | d0uglas | ok thanks |
| 14:33.14 | petemc | d0uglas: that, or a knoppix cd |
| 14:33.23 | jetx | or a live cd |
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| 14:33.48 | jetx | hell he just described my data recovery methods |
| 14:33.50 | d0uglas | that crossed my mind but i guess i'll get all grease monkey on this |
| 14:34.26 | daurnimator | how do you get a command to run at starup? |
| 14:34.38 | tarzeau | daurnimator: autoexec.bat |
| 14:34.45 | giupy | :) |
| 14:34.50 | d0uglas | daurnimator: drag it to the startup menu :) |
| 14:34.50 | tarzeau | i'd run it as screen -dmS |
| 14:34.52 | petemc | daurnimator: there are a number of ways, put it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh is onme |
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| 14:35.01 | Rage__ | daurnimator: /etc/rc3.d/SXXxxxx |
| 14:35.05 | Trewas | Donald: btw there was recently thread on lkml where someone had noticed that using sync option with vfat kills flash-memory very fast, because it updates FAT far too often |
| 14:35.07 | jetx | d0uglas: these come in handy http://www.sysresccd.org/ http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 14:35.14 | d0uglas | Hey thanks |
| 14:35.15 | daurnimator | this means just about nothing to me... |
| 14:35.30 | giupy | how can i remove a module that is in use ? |
| 14:35.37 | tarzeau | giupy: you can't |
| 14:35.48 | giupy | oh :( |
| 14:35.48 | Donald | Davidicus: and when i execute "sync" after copy a file in linux/unix? then there is no need to unmount... am i right? |
| 14:35.48 | d0uglas | can xp mount reiser fs? |
| 14:35.56 | tarzeau | d0uglas: who cares |
| 14:35.56 | d0uglas | hate to ask... |
| 14:35.58 | jetx | not afaik |
| 14:36.01 | Rage__ | there is forced unloading in 2.6 kernel. |
| 14:36.03 | Eulex|Away | giupy: rmmod -f? |
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| 14:36.14 | Eulex|Away | but it's dangerous |
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| 14:36.28 | directhex|work | d0uglas, windows cannot mount any unix file systems |
| 14:36.31 | Rage__ | oops -> panic -> death! |
| 14:36.42 | directhex|work | d0uglas, there are some HIGHLY unstable free options, or some payware |
| 14:36.42 | jetx | unless you buy something for it |
| 14:36.46 | Eulex|Away | in fact, windows can't mount :P |
| 14:36.52 | Donald | Trewas: oh realy? Thats not good.... hmm... i set timeout to 5 sec. So i can remove the sync option. |
| 14:36.54 | directhex|work | Eulex|Away, sure it can. |
| 14:36.57 | Rage__ | daurnimator: d0uglas: there is ext2 for winXP |
| 14:37.13 | jetx | windows can mount partitions as directories though |
| 14:37.27 | directhex|work | yes, it can, though it has some HIGHLY retarded behaviour attached |
| 14:37.29 | Davidicus | Donald, there is never 'no' need to unmount, but after a sync, you should be ok |
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| 14:37.36 | LordFrith | So I just downloaded sarge, and everything is up and seems to be runnig. Then I do "apt-get install gnome-core gdm", and gdm is running. But when I try to actually log in with it, it gives me all sorts of pain, and every gnome app crashes within 2 seconds of starting. What have I done wrong? |
| 14:37.37 | directhex|work | i.e. you cannot run scandisk on a partition without a drive letter |
| 14:37.38 | jetx | i think their implementation is a tad bit buggy though |
| 14:37.41 | anubis_EOA | can anyone tell me how to change the authentification method (From Berlkey DB to pwcheck daemon) for sasl2 with postfix |
| 14:37.43 | Eulex|Away | heh? I didn't know that |
| 14:37.49 | d0uglas | i see |
| 14:38.02 | jetx | yeah, and freespace isn't reported correctly |
| 14:38.13 | directhex|work | that too |
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| 14:38.20 | daurnimator | so, is there a autoexec.bat like file for debian? |
| 14:38.22 | directhex|work | it's very retarded, but it DOES work, fsvo work |
| 14:38.30 | directhex|work | daurnimator, bootmisc.sh i think |
| 14:38.40 | directhex|work | !wayttd daurnimator |
| 14:38.41 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, daurnimator? |
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| 14:39.03 | daurnimator | add thinsg like mount to start up |
| 14:39.16 | Donald | Davidicus: i always unmount, too :) |
| 14:39.26 | directhex|work | daurnimator, anything in /etc/fstab which doesn't have the "noauto" option in it will be mounted on startup |
| 14:39.48 | Rage__ | Lol |
| 14:39.59 | daurnimator | i don't have that folder |
| 14:40.08 | directhex|work | it's a file, and you DO have it |
| 14:40.30 | daurnimator | whoops, found it - sorry |
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| 14:41.39 | jetx | !folder |
| 14:41.39 | dpkg | well, folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
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| 14:41.45 | d0uglas | should i daisy chain the master and slave or hook the separate ide line that goes to the dvd into the other hd, with the jumpers still switched |
| 14:41.54 | jetx | !factinfo folder |
| 14:41.54 | dpkg | folder -- last modified 4d 6h 27m 35s ago by Empty!~empty@ip70-176-192-240.ph.ph.cox.net; it has been requested 4 times, last by jetx, 16s ago. |
| 14:42.03 | jetx | i thought that sounded familiar |
| 14:42.06 | jetx | :( |
| 14:42.15 | directhex|work | d0uglas, avoid putting 2 drives on 1 ide channel where possible, but if one does it, don't chain hard disk and optical disk dogether |
| 14:42.23 | madclicker | how can i see which packages does a particular program depends on? |
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| 14:42.30 | jetx | directhex|work: oh i got it right cool |
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| 14:42.37 | felixgonschorek | hello all - i am in big trouble, i updated my webserver to sarge which run's email-services for my customers. i use uw-imapd to do imap-services. since the update the server logs for every connection-attempt "Login disabled" in /var/log/auth.log it seems uw-imapd does not support plain auth no more, just cram-md5. i want to use my shadow pwd's to auth, is this possible? |
| 14:42.38 | d0uglas | ok thanks for the help on a mundane set of questions |
| 14:42.40 | jetx | hd's with hd's cd's with cd's |
| 14:42.40 | bob2 | madclicker: apt-cache show packagename |
| 14:42.40 | directhex|work | madclicker, apt-cache depends foopackage |
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| 14:43.40 | daurnimator | how do i use the fstab file? type terminal like stuff in or follow the format used with ntfs in the type coloumn |
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| 14:43.52 | jetx | you edit it |
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| 14:44.03 | jetx | !ro-ntfs |
| 14:44.04 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 14:44.15 | directhex|work | daurnimator, follow the format in there. it's fairly obvious how what's on the terminal translates into what's in fstab |
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| 14:44.25 | jetx | !rw-vfat |
| 14:44.25 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
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| 14:44.50 | jetx | fmask and dmask as well as umask |
| 14:44.51 | daurnimator | thanks |
| 14:45.18 | zdom_ | great, i learn a lot too |
| 14:45.51 | directhex|work | fmask & dmask replace umask. |
| 14:45.59 | jetx | o |
| 14:46.19 | felixgonschorek | i need help, please. how to use uw-imapd in sarge with plain auth? |
| 14:46.24 | directhex|work | the factoid is wrong though, fmask & dmask are treated as actual permission sets, not masks. or there are with smbfs |
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| 14:46.55 | daurnimator | what are dump and pass? |
| 14:47.06 | Spec | if the drive needs to be dumped or not |
| 14:47.08 | jetx | fsck is pass |
| 14:47.13 | Spec | and pass is fsck |
| 14:47.18 | jetx | like which pass will we fsck this hd on |
| 14:47.26 | Spec | the numbers represent the order and/or if they'll be checked on boot up with fsck |
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| 14:47.42 | angelFaria | Gnea: Alert msg: "paimprimir [printservername] could not be found. Please check the name and try again." |
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| 14:48.05 | daurnimator | should they both be 0? |
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| 14:48.10 | Spec | both what? |
| 14:48.17 | daurnimator | dump & pass |
| 14:48.21 | jetx | daurnimator: usually they are |
| 14:48.22 | daurnimator | in fstab |
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| 14:48.26 | daurnimator | ok |
| 14:48.26 | Spec | depends what partition type it is |
| 14:48.31 | daurnimator | ntfs |
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| 14:48.34 | Spec | oh, 0 0 |
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| 14:48.42 | Spec | unless you want fsck checking your ntfs partition... |
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| 14:49.04 | daurnimator | i don't know what that is.... |
| 14:49.15 | Spec | you don't want it |
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| 14:49.25 | jetx | daurnimator: i've found , so far, that anything that's not ext, and set with a 1, seems to get checked at least a little every reboot... |
| 14:49.25 | daurnimator | ok |
| 14:49.32 | Davidicus | fsck = 'file system check' |
| 14:49.33 | angelFaria | Gnea: It seems i've been messing around with gnome print manager also :( |
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| 14:50.12 | xsE | When i try to ssh to my server from time to time this happens: "ssh_exchange_identification:" sometimes it only step byes 20min but other days it can take hours before i can get in tuch with the server again. How do i fix this problem? |
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| 14:50.15 | gtigene_ | What is the correct way to get a network printer into printers.conf |
| 14:50.23 | gtigene_ | Please :) |
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| 14:50.43 | Gnea | angelFaria: ah, then you've probably messed the whole thing up - the only 2 things you should be using are foomatic-gui and that web interface - your best bet is to wipe out all configuration in /etc/cups/ and just put the defaults back there and restart it, then use foomatic-gui from the beginning.. |
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| 14:51.22 | angelFaria | Gnea: ok, thnks |
| 14:51.31 | felixgonschorek | sorry, i dont want to get on your nerves: is there nobody able to help me? uw-imapd does not auth plain after sarge-upgrade no more. customers are calling constantly. i would do a paypal reward if needed. |
| 14:51.36 | daurnimator | bye, its 1am here |
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| 14:52.10 | jetx | beyond me dude |
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| 14:52.37 | felixgonschorek | @jetx: thx nevertheless |
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| 14:53.28 | xsE | When i try to ssh to my server from time to time this happens: "ssh_exchange_identification:" sometimes it only step byes 20min but other days it can take hours before i can get in tuch with the server again. How do i fix this problem? |
| 14:53.28 | Gnea | felixgonschorek: hrm... |
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| 14:55.28 | jetx | If you |
| 14:55.28 | jetx | absolutely don't want to use SSL or TLS for some reason, your only |
| 14:55.28 | jetx | alternatives are to use CRAM-MD5 (See /usr/share/doc/libc-client2002/md5.txt) |
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| 14:56.08 | fschulte | how can i find out which tty/pts my shell is attached to? |
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| 14:56.30 | ObeliskToucher | Question: If I reply to the usenet news "echo" of one of the debian mailing lists (debian-mentors), does the response get back into the list properly, or do I need to add the list as a "cc:"? |
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| 14:56.40 | Spec | fschulte: maybe 'who', or 'whois', or maybe finger. |
| 14:56.42 | boycer | felixgonschorek: um - maybe you need to create /etc/c-client.cf? google for it |
| 14:56.46 | martinja | Hi |
| 14:56.48 | jetx | oh shit |
| 14:56.52 | jetx | i pasted that sorry |
| 14:56.53 | caphuso | fschulte: $TTY |
| 14:56.57 | bob2 | ObeliskToucher: depends which usenet mirror you use |
| 14:57.01 | jetx | i'm not used to irssi yet |
| 14:57.14 | martinja | How do I make this http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/downloads.php package into a .deb installer? |
| 14:57.15 | fschulte | many thanks :) |
| 14:57.16 | caphuso | no, wait, not every shell has that one |
| 14:57.16 | boycer | felixgonschorek: that's what got uw-imapd plain auth working for me |
| 14:57.27 | bob2 | martinja: you can't |
| 14:57.35 | bob2 | martinja: not without knowing how to make debian packages, anyway |
| 14:57.43 | bob2 | martinja: use the ipw2100-source package from Debian |
| 14:57.53 | caphuso | fschulte: /usr/bin/tty |
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| 14:58.03 | martinja | so apt-get install ip2100-source ? |
| 14:58.12 | bob2 | martinja: spelt correctly, yes |
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| 14:58.31 | gtigene_ | What is the correct way to get a network printer into printers.conf, please? |
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| 14:59.02 | Rage__ | gtigene_: apt-get install printtool |
| 14:59.02 | martinja | apt-get install ipw2100-source |
| 14:59.02 | martinja | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.07 | fschulte | caphuso: oh yeah, that was definately what i was looking for |
| 14:59.14 | bob2 | martinja: it's presumably in contrib or non-free |
| 14:59.16 | vchrizz | how do i change the keyboard mapping to german layout? |
| 14:59.21 | bob2 | martinja: make sure they're enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:59.21 | caphuso | vchrizz: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:59.22 | gtigene_ | Rage__: Thank you. |
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| 14:59.30 | martinja | bob2 ill check |
| 14:59.31 | Rage__ | np |
| 14:59.40 | xsE | When i try to ssh to my server from time to time this happens: "ssh_exchange_identification:" sometimes it only step byes 20min but other days it can take hours before i can get in tuch with the server again. How do i fix this problem? |
| 14:59.42 | jetx | vchrizz: dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 14:59.43 | bob2 | it's in contrib |
| 14:59.44 | ObeliskToucher | bob2: thx, but not sure I understand the answer -- I follow most of the groups through my ISP's news server, so the response would initially go there, I suppose. |
| 14:59.46 | xiao | when i open gnome-control-center, there is only a blank window. who can help me. i am using debian sid with gnome 2.10 |
| 15:00.04 | bob2 | ObeliskToucher: I doubt that is gatewayed back |
| 15:00.11 | bob2 | ObeliskToucher: gmane's is |
| 15:00.11 | boycer | felixgonschorek: did you find out about /etc/c-client.cf? |
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| 15:00.32 | ninja | hi, who could explain me what means this message "Shell exited with status 1" for example or status 8 ? |
| 15:00.35 | jetx | xiao: that sounds kinda normal to me but i don't have gnome installed anymore |
| 15:00.38 | angelFaria | Gnea: think i found the issue about CUPS problem |
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| 15:00.50 | martinja | bob2> there is no non-free there, nor is there contrib list there......... |
| 15:00.52 | Gnea | angelFaria: oh? |
| 15:00.52 | jetx | xiao: either it's deprecated or you need to populate it |
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| 15:00.59 | ObeliskToucher | bob2: OK, gotcha. Thanks again |
| 15:01.01 | jetx | there is non-free |
| 15:01.04 | bob2 | ninja: depends on the program |
| 15:01.06 | jetx | at least for sid |
| 15:01.08 | tosh | is having a grub.conf.gz instead of grub.conf a problem? |
| 15:01.09 | bob2 | ObeliskToucher: np |
| 15:01.11 | angelFaria | Gnea: CUPS ser config on KDE. it wasn´t set properly. |
| 15:01.14 | jetx | and crafty but a lot got moved |
| 15:01.23 | bob2 | martinja: add "contrib non-free" (no quotes) at the end of the main deb line |
| 15:01.25 | ninja | bob2: kde konsole |
| 15:01.31 | jetx | crafty is the smartest chess engine maybe |
| 15:01.55 | martinja | bob2: should I put http links to thoseplaceas as well? |
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| 15:02.06 | angelFaria | Gnea: check if this is correct: host:localhost:port:631 |
| 15:02.10 | bob2 | martinja: no |
| 15:02.12 | vchrizz | dpkg-reconfigure locales didnt help, did dpkg-reconfigure console-data but still got wrong keymap? |
| 15:02.26 | felixgonschorek | boycer: i created /etc/c-client.conf, wrote "set disable-plaintext nil" in it and /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 15:02.30 | felixgonschorek | boycer: no effect |
| 15:02.32 | vchrizz | do i have to reboot? |
| 15:02.34 | nakeeee | how do I apt-get the specific version of mozilla? |
| 15:02.37 | abra | hi ! |
| 15:02.39 | xiao | jetx, any advices? |
| 15:02.45 | martinja | E: Type 'contrib' is not known on line 7 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:02.45 | martinja | E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 15:02.47 | cat | nakeeee: apt-cache search mozilla |
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| 15:02.50 | nakeeee | I tried apt-get install mozilla-dev=1.7.7 but it doesn't work |
| 15:02.51 | jethro | nakeeee: apt-get install package=version or man apt_preferences |
| 15:02.55 | Rage__ | nakeeee: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 15:03.00 | bob2 | martinja: just paste the whole things to #flood |
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| 15:03.04 | cat | apt-get mozilla --version |
| 15:03.06 | cat | hehe |
| 15:03.09 | jetx | vchrizz: i don't know , works for me. log out maybe. |
| 15:03.15 | boycer | you need to write "I accept the risk\n\nset disable-plaintext nil" exactly, word-for-word |
| 15:03.16 | supaman | hmm, top shows XFree86 using 95% of my CPU .... |
| 15:03.26 | boycer | felixgonschorek: you need to write "I accept the risk\n\nset disable-plaintext nil" exactly, word-for-word |
| 15:03.27 | bob2 | nakeeee: a) "doesn't work" is a useless description of the problem, b) that will only work for versions of mozilla-dev apt knows about |
| 15:03.27 | nakeeee | cat I'm trying to get the mozilla-dev package that fits my mozilla package |
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| 15:03.39 | boycer | felixgonschorek: \n means newline |
| 15:03.40 | abra | i am on unstable, and my firefox nd mozilla-browsers are crashing randomly, is that problem known ? any hints ? |
| 15:03.41 | felixgonschorek | boycer: uh, thoght i accept the risk was a joke, i try again thx. |
| 15:03.44 | supaman | and all thats going on is kmahjongg, a few xterms and gaim |
| 15:03.44 | martinja | bob2: done |
| 15:03.48 | felixgonschorek | boycer: i know, thx |
| 15:03.49 | boycer | felixgonschorek: me too, the first time :) |
| 15:03.52 | cat | nakeeee: apt-get install mozilla-dev |
| 15:03.54 | bob2 | nakeeee: so, paste the output of "apt-cache policy mozilla-dev ; apt-cache policy mozilla" to #flood |
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| 15:04.11 | jetx | xiao: do you know which tool(s) you're expecting to find in there, or is it you went to look and it's just empty. |
| 15:04.16 | Rage__ | abra: unstable == crashes randomly....? |
| 15:04.25 | nakeeee | bob2 Version '1.7.7' for 'mozilla-dev' was not found |
| 15:04.26 | bob2 | martinja: at the end of th e"deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ stable main" line (on the same line) add "contrib main" (no quotes) |
| 15:04.34 | bob2 | nakeeee: yes, because apt doesn't know about it |
| 15:04.49 | xsE | When i try to ssh to my server from time to time this happens: "ssh_exchange_identification:" sometimes it only step byes 20min but other days it can take hours before i can get in tuch with the server again. How do i fix this problem? |
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| 15:05.01 | jetx | contrib non-free you mean? |
| 15:05.04 | vchrizz | re |
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| 15:05.15 | jetx | did it work vchrizz ? |
| 15:05.20 | bob2 | er, yes |
| 15:05.29 | bob2 | martinja: "contrib non-free" is what I meant |
| 15:05.31 | vchrizz | i tried both commands to change keymap to german, but still have english heh |
| 15:05.39 | bob2 | xsE: sounds like your network is fucked |
| 15:05.52 | jetx | vchrizz: no idea then :( |
| 15:05.57 | xsE | bob2: heh, :D |
| 15:06.19 | felixgonschorek | boycer: still does not work. i did /etc/init.d/inetd restart again. do i have to restart anything else? |
| 15:06.26 | martinja | Thanks bob2 that worked |
| 15:06.39 | giupy | i have tried rmmod radeonfb and now i have problems with fglrx driver, when i try launch fgl_glxgears, it say me couldn't load fbconfig, however i still have vesafb like module loaded, fglrx can go with or without radeonfb, however it doesn't go now, i use a 2.6.11-1-686 precompiled, what can i do? |
| 15:07.14 | boycer | felixgonschorek: don't think so... hmm. |
| 15:07.16 | martinja | reboot time :) |
| 15:07.31 | giupy | is there a way for "reinstall" correctly a new kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
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| 15:07.43 | drac | giupy: I don't think that fbconfig, glxgears/glxinfo/such. are actually meaning kernel framebuffer. |
| 15:07.59 | boycer | felixgonschorek: is /etc/c-client.cf -rw-r--r-- ? |
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| 15:08.12 | nakeeee | bob2 but it doesn't know about any version even if I try 1.7.8 which is the version which is now in sarge |
| 15:08.12 | bifeo_work | howdy guys |
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| 15:08.23 | giupy | mm |
| 15:08.25 | felixgonschorek | boycer: "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44 Jun 14 17:04 c-client.cf" |
| 15:08.27 | bob2 | nakeeee: so, paste what I asked for |
| 15:08.29 | bifeo_work | i'm wondering, how to add the user 'nobody' to debian since it doesn't seem to exist? thanks! |
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| 15:08.40 | drac | giupy: Could you post 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose fglrxinfo' and /var/log/Xorg.0.log on some pastebin -site? |
| 15:08.43 | maher | bifeo_work: you already have nobody |
| 15:08.49 | drac | giupy: Sorry, /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 15:09.13 | Rage__ | bifeo_work: nobody exists anyway, no need to add. |
| 15:09.18 | boycer | felixgonschorek: think I'm out of ideas... sorry :( |
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| 15:09.29 | felixgonschorek | boycer: thx nevertheless! |
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| 15:09.34 | Rage__ | bifeo_work: they are not a user thay are "nobody" |
| 15:09.40 | felixgonschorek | boycer: i am now one step ahead. |
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| 15:09.54 | boycer | felixgonschorek: best of luck |
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| 15:10.03 | goron | Any one with an idea of what I can do about this: ! You can't use `\relax' after \the. |
| 15:10.06 | goron | \$->\x@protect \$\protect |
| 15:10.09 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.11 | goron | l.50 ...,600){\makebox(0,0){This is\the\$y$ axis}} |
| 15:10.49 | goron | I am trying to let the example from the GNUPlot manual correctly render. |
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| 15:11.20 | goron | This error message tells me nothings, since it are the internals of \put |
| 15:11.27 | santiago | Hi, where I can find the kernel's boot parameters that were used with the running kernel? |
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| 15:11.29 | goron | er nothing |
| 15:11.35 | caphuso | santiago: /proc/cmdline |
| 15:11.39 | nakeeee | bob2 ok |
| 15:11.51 | santiago | caphuso, thanks :) |
| 15:11.54 | masoft | I see this error at bootup : hw_random not find in modules. and this in syslog is available : hw_random: RNG not detected. what's wrong ? |
| 15:12.15 | bob2 | nakeeee: so, the only version you have available to you is 2:1.7.8-1 (and 2:1.0.0-0.woody.1, which is way old) |
| 15:12.29 | stouset | masoft: Nothing. |
| 15:12.42 | stouset | masoft: That's just the initrd image trying to see if you have a hardware random number generator. You don't. |
| 15:12.50 | masoft | stouset, so why I get this error at boot, and how can I hide it ? |
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| 15:12.59 | maher | masoft: just ignore it |
| 15:13.12 | nakeeee | bob2 is there anywhere with archive of deb version I can download the version I need from? |
| 15:13.12 | kc9ddi | I'm having trouble booting Debian Sarge. It gets to "INIT: Entering runlevel: 2" and then says "Starting system log daemon: syslogd", and then it hangs. What can I do about this? |
| 15:13.13 | stouset | masoft: It's just a warning. There's no need to get rid of it. |
| 15:13.17 | goron | I guess there's an error in the manual... |
| 15:13.24 | goron | I solved it. |
| 15:13.24 | bob2 | nakeeee: snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:13.25 | angelFaria | Gnea: sorry for bein such a pain int he a-- |
| 15:13.31 | bob2 | nakeeee: but why do you want an old version? |
| 15:13.32 | bifeo_work | Rage__: the issue i'm having is with openvpn. here's what i'm getting: Tue Jun 14 11:12:18 2005 failed to find GID for group nobody |
| 15:13.34 | masoft | stouset, so I can remove it with somechanges in initrd image ? |
| 15:13.44 | bob2 | nakeeee: (btw, 1.7.7 doesn't exist anywhere) |
| 15:13.44 | goron | I don't think they understand the concept of a *manual*. |
| 15:13.44 | stouset | masoft: At risk of hosing your system completely, yes. |
| 15:13.59 | angelFaria | Gnea: but i just need a litlle push. It's a sever naming problem |
| 15:14.08 | maher | kc9ddi: do you have a boot disk or live cd? |
| 15:14.11 | nakeeee | bob2 because I want to install the dev package but I dont' want to install whole mozilla for it (it's big) |
| 15:14.41 | kc9ddi | maher, maybe... |
| 15:14.48 | stouset | masoft: The prudent course of action would be to just ignore it. All it's doing is trying to find a hardware RNG, not finding one, and moving on. |
| 15:15.08 | stouset | masoft: You have better uses of your time than getting rid of a warning message for autodetection of hardware. |
| 15:15.18 | Gnea | angelFaria: do you have an internal network? |
| 15:15.18 | maher | kc9ddi: try bootign to one of those and see if they work |
| 15:15.26 | kc9ddi | ok, thanks |
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| 15:15.36 | anubis_EOA | can anyone tell me when using postfix sasl pwcheck, do you have to install the whole of the cyrus library or can you just make and install the pwcheck daemon?? |
| 15:15.57 | nakeeee | bob2 1.7.7 is a bad version or something? |
| 15:15.59 | bob2 | anubis_EOA: why do you want to compile any of it at all? |
| 15:16.07 | bob2 | nakeeee: it's not an actual debian version |
| 15:16.10 | stouset | anubis_EOA: why are you compiling? |
| 15:16.15 | stouset | anubis_EOA: Just apt-get it all. |
| 15:16.25 | bob2 | nakeeee: the version of mozilla you have installed is 2:1.7.7-2 |
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| 15:16.30 | felixgonschorek | boycer: uh, i think i got it: it needs to be "I accept the risk\n\nset disable-plaintext nil\n" |
| 15:16.39 | anubis_EOA | i need the pwcheck daemon installed?? |
| 15:16.40 | felixgonschorek | boycer: seems the last "\n" is important |
| 15:16.49 | Gnea | felixgonschorek: heh |
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| 15:17.08 | nakeeee | bob2 oh I see |
| 15:17.10 | Rage__ | bifeo_work: i get nobody gid = 65534 |
| 15:17.11 | dirthead | Is it not possible to restart crond from the root crontab? When add the command /etc/init.d/cron restart to the root crontab, cron does not get restarted. Why? |
| 15:17.58 | caphuso | urgh... i'm too afraid to ask... |
| 15:18.02 | Gnea | angelFaria: check your /etc/hosts file make sure you have it setup right |
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| 15:18.03 | stouset | dirthead: Why are you trying to restart cron automatically? |
| 15:18.10 | bob2 | anubis_EOA: http://small.dropbear.id.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.html |
| 15:18.11 | mosty | dirthead, you should see some output from that script right? check your mail to see the cron jobs output |
| 15:18.18 | samuel | ive noticed things are getting aughly broken in SID latelly, is this because of gnome 2.10? |
| 15:18.21 | angelFaria | Gnea: yes router(4ports) 1 pc(debian) and 1 laptop (XP, FC3 &debian soon) |
| 15:18.27 | Rage__ | bifeo_work: make a file, su, chown nobody file, ls -o -n the middle number id UID |
| 15:18.38 | stouset | samuel: It's because sid is intended to be broken =P |
| 15:18.39 | jetx | felixgonschorek: samuel that and others |
| 15:18.39 | jetx | but gnome is finished, or so i heard |
| 15:18.40 | Gnea | samuel: it's unstable, of course it's going to break now and then |
| 15:18.57 | bifeo_work | Rage__: hang on man. :-) |
| 15:19.01 | bob2 | samuel: sarge released, now everyone can do fun and new stuff in sid again |
| 15:19.02 | jetx | and more often now that the push to get sarge out is over |
| 15:19.06 | jetx | what he said |
| 15:19.07 | stouset | jetx: Is not finished. |
| 15:19.09 | maher | Rage__: bifeo_work grep nobody /etc/passwd |
| 15:19.10 | dirthead | stouset: I change the root cron tab file automatically on a weekly basis because my backup requirements change |
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| 15:19.25 | jetx | o ok it's not over till it's over |
| 15:19.26 | stouset | dirthead: What does that have to do with restarting cron, though? |
| 15:19.29 | maher | dirthead: you dno't need to restart cron |
| 15:19.33 | stouset | dirthead: Cron picks up those changes. |
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| 15:20.16 | dirthead | stouset: actually I found I do have to restart cron for it to see the new crontab |
| 15:20.25 | poh | is there a program that will archive my pop/imap mailbox? |
| 15:20.31 | samuel | bob2, no kiddin |
| 15:20.33 | stouset | dirthead: Er... |
| 15:20.41 | bob2 | poh: archivemail |
| 15:20.44 | giupy | can i remove a precompiled kernel-image and rm /lib/modules/kernel-image/bla.... and reistall it ? |
| 15:20.46 | poh | thanks |
| 15:20.52 | Rage__ | maher: you could do that. |
| 15:20.56 | stouset | dirthead: Are you absolutely certain? |
| 15:21.12 | caphuso | dirthead: interesting. what makes your cron different from the million other crons runnning on systems all over the world? |
| 15:21.12 | giupy | should i have the same prob with modules ? |
| 15:21.22 | dirthead | stouset: yes |
| 15:21.32 | Gnea | caphuso: inode placement? :) |
| 15:21.33 | dirthead | caphuso: I guess because I'm the one running it |
| 15:21.39 | stouset | dirthead: Then I repeat caphuso's statement :-P |
| 15:21.47 | maher | dirthead: ...and though these are files in /var/spool/cron/crontabs, they are not intended to be edited directly. <--- from na crontab |
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| 15:21.51 | jdhutchin1 | dirthead, how are you editing your crontab? vi? or using the crontab command? |
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| 15:21.54 | mosty | dirthead, something is broken, you may as well fix it instead of using a nasty workaround |
| 15:22.01 | Supaplex | dirthead: mine cron automatically applys the new crontab upon update. |
| 15:22.07 | Supaplex | no restart required. |
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| 15:22.17 | maher | dirthead: i mean from man crontab |
| 15:22.19 | anubis_EOA | stoutset/ bob2: does the package libauthen-sasl-cyrus-pearl contain pwcheck, cos the description is very empty |
| 15:22.41 | dirthead | I copy a new crontab file over the old one. then I restart cron |
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| 15:22.59 | bifeo_work | Rage__: -rw-r--r-- 1 65534 0 Jun 14 11:21 /home/superman/test |
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| 15:23.01 | caphuso | the stupidity of a cron implementation needing a restart because of a new crontab would be virtually unmatched |
| 15:23.19 | Supaplex | dirthead: then that's user error. RTFM |
| 15:23.32 | maher | dirthead: why not have a cron entry called dobackup and put the complexity in a script... what exactly do you want to do? |
| 15:23.37 | spacelobster | can someone please try to ping me at 69.137.198.153 and tell me if it works? |
| 15:23.38 | bifeo_work | Rage__: but that uid seems to belong to 'nogroup' as in /etc/group --> nogroup:x:65534: |
| 15:23.57 | petemc | spacelobster: nope |
| 15:24.00 | caphuso | spacelobster: no, it's broken |
| 15:24.02 | Supaplex | dirthead: crontab (see the -e switch) |
| 15:24.10 | spacelobster | thanks guys |
| 15:24.24 | Supaplex | dirthead: also $EDITOR tells it which editor to use while editing. (if you don't like the default) |
| 15:24.26 | maher | bifeo_work: groups have numbers as well us users |
| 15:24.36 | dirthead | maher: I change the way I do backups during the week with different crontabs |
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| 15:24.51 | spacelobster | btw, is there a new site like www.pingmeplease.com? I liked that old site |
| 15:24.54 | lehel | hello |
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| 15:25.31 | maher | dirthead: use crontab -e with a non-interactive editor, or, much better, find some other way to vary things.... |
| 15:25.34 | lehel | Hint: You are trying to load a module without a GPL compatible license and it has unresolved symbols. The module may be trying to access GPLONLY symbols but the problem is more likely to be a coding or user error. |
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| 15:25.49 | dirthead | maher: ok, thanks |
| 15:25.50 | JeffH | anyone here use dirvish to backup thier windows machine? I could use some help getting rsync working on my windows box. |
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| 15:25.56 | lehel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.03 | zdom_ | sorry i am new to irc, can anyone tell me how to register my nick? |
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| 15:26.20 | cuthbert | do the debian install CDs contain the packages found in the online repositories? i'm thinking of making the transition from ubuntu for various reasons and noticed there are collectively 16 cd isos or 2 dvd isos available for debian compared to ubuntu's method of using just the one install cd and then apt-getting optional s/ware. |
| 15:26.20 | bobbens | zdom_: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:26.21 | lehel | how to load WITH GPL compatible license |
| 15:26.22 | Phated | zdom_: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:26.22 | lehel | ? |
| 15:26.26 | zdom_ | thx! |
| 15:26.28 | anubis_EOA | can anyone tell me where i can isntall the pwcheck daemon from?? |
| 15:26.32 | Phated | Feh. |
| 15:26.50 | maher | cuthbert: you probably just need cd1, or do a netinstall or something |
| 15:26.56 | LordFrith | So, gnome-desktop-environment depends on nautilus-media, which needs libnautilus2-2, which precludes nautilus, which nautilus-media depends on. Am I missing something here? |
| 15:26.58 | caphuso | lehel: you don't. it's not your choice, unless you're the copyright holder |
| 15:27.11 | Supaplex | cuthbert: you don't need all the cd's to install that software. apt-get was invented by debian, so yea, it'll work. :) |
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| 15:27.15 | bobbens | cuthburt: you can do a netinstall and its one lightweight iso from where you dl it all |
| 15:27.25 | cuthbert | Supaplex, maher: ah, i see. so the other ones are optional? |
| 15:27.32 | JeffH | netinstall rocks. |
| 15:27.40 | cuthbert | bobbens: thing is i'm on dialup though. |
| 15:27.43 | maher | cuthbert: the 16 cds contain all binaries for all archs and all source packages |
| 15:27.50 | lehel | caphuso: /lib/modules/kernel/drivers/isdn/avmb1/fcpci.o: insmod /lib/modules/kernel/drivers/isdn/avmb1/fcpci.o failed << ?? |
| 15:27.51 | Supaplex | cuthbert: they are available for people w/o a network connection. |
| 15:27.56 | maher | cuthbert: you are probably not running all the archs |
| 15:27.59 | bobbens | cuthbert: then download few things :P |
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| 15:28.10 | JeffH | what's dialup? |
| 15:28.16 | lehel | while "modprobe fcpci" |
| 15:28.17 | JeffH | haha |
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| 15:28.38 | cuthbert | maher: ah, ok. maybe i misread the list? http://debian.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:28.39 | Gnea | hrm |
| 15:28.44 | Supaplex | !dialup |
| 15:28.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, dialup is the worst type of internet connection available |
| 15:28.57 | directhex|work | maher, wrong, source is a separate 16 cd set. |
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| 15:29.15 | Supaplex | Gnea: undocumented feature? ;) |
| 15:29.18 | directhex|work | Gnea, you have no hardware accelerated gl, and software gl kills your cpu? |
| 15:29.20 | Gnea | or just locks up |
| 15:29.37 | maher | directhex|work: oh well - only out by a factor of 2... |
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| 15:29.42 | Gnea | directhex|work: it's weird, i don't understand it... i have to hit the reset button |
| 15:30.00 | maher | cuthbert: read the install guide |
| 15:30.09 | directhex|work | Gnea, install & configure lm_sensors, and configure ksensors to log sensors data periodically |
| 15:30.13 | Rage__ | Gnea: do you have frequency scaling on your CPU? |
| 15:30.13 | bobbens | Gnea: open up your case and point a big house fan towards it |
| 15:30.20 | maher | anubis_EOA: /msg dpkg find pwcheck |
| 15:30.23 | zdom_ | bitchx auto igrore nickserv, what can i do? |
| 15:30.31 | Gnea | directhex|work: got that setup already, problem is the whole system hard-locks when it happens |
| 15:30.37 | dirthead | cron checks the mod time of /var/spool/cron/crontabs. If it has changed recently it will check the mod time of the crontabs and reload those that changed. My crontab mod time has not changed since last year. So that's why I have to restart cron. |
| 15:30.50 | Gnea | Rage__: naw it's an athlon-xp |
| 15:30.51 | directhex|work | Gnea, what cpu, what gfx? |
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| 15:31.03 | Gnea | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+ |
| 15:31.05 | dirthead | my crontab directory mod time that is |
| 15:31.09 | Gnea | 0000:03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1) |
| 15:31.14 | caphuso | dirthead: translation: you're doing something seriously wrong |
| 15:31.21 | Gnea | hrm |
| 15:31.25 | Gnea | bobbens: that might be it... |
| 15:31.32 | caphuso | how the hell do you manage to change a crontab without also changing the time stamps? |
| 15:31.33 | Gnea | i had a system in fan in there die |
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| 15:31.52 | maher | dirthead: you could just touch it but futzubg with cron in this way is going to be fragile- why not just write a backup script that you can call once a day or whatever and does what you want |
| 15:31.53 | HansZ | lol sparr_ you also here ^^ |
| 15:31.54 | dirthead | caphuso: well just copying over the root crontab does not update the directory mod time. |
| 15:32.05 | directhex|work | Gnea, what temperatures do you idle at? |
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| 15:32.18 | maher | s/futzubg/futzing/ |
| 15:32.20 | bobbens | Gnea: thats really bad news, probably the cpu / mobo have protection things that happen when temp gets too high. For now you should use a makeshift fan, until you get a new heatsink |
| 15:32.27 | sparr_ | HansZ: im everywhere |
| 15:32.31 | giupy | i don't know how but i have solved my fglrx prob :))) |
| 15:32.33 | caphuso | dirthead: since when? |
| 15:32.34 | HansZ | sparr_: your... god? |
| 15:32.43 | Gnea | directhex|work: difficult to tell, lmsensors really isn't that reliable... mb says 63C and cpu 36C |
| 15:32.45 | directhex|work | giupy, yay for fglrx |
| 15:32.48 | dirthead | maher: once a month it has to do a full backup twince a week, the other weeks just once a week |
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| 15:33.02 | giupy | directhex|work, yay? |
| 15:33.06 | Gnea | bobbens: yeah, i might just go out and buy one |
| 15:33.10 | HansZ | directhex|work: fglrx isn't yay at all.. |
| 15:33.18 | dirthead | caphuso: apparently since I started doing it |
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| 15:33.21 | bobbens | Gnea: the best way to test the temps is to open the case, put your hand on your northbridge and heatsink, if it hurts its baaad :P |
| 15:33.22 | Rage__ | Gnea: GFX idle!? at 63!?! |
| 15:33.32 | directhex|work | Gnea, dear GOD. that'll be inverted, since cpu temp is always higher than mb temp. athlons tend to lock up at 70-75c, assuming accuracy |
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| 15:33.45 | HansZ | giupy: it's like 'Horay', 'Wohoo' |
| 15:33.46 | caphuso | dirthead: and you started by breaking crontab(1) why? |
| 15:33.48 | cuthbert | maher: thanks. it seems like the first 3 cds/first dvd would be all i need. |
| 15:33.51 | giupy | ahhh |
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| 15:33.58 | sobersabre | hello! |
| 15:34.02 | directhex|work | bobbens, oh i don't know, the NB on my dothan system is real hot, but rock solid stable & fans don;'t bother turning on most of the time |
| 15:34.07 | sparr_ | I moved /home from my root partition to its own partition. It is mounted, and I can log in at a VT just fine, but if I try to log in via kdm the X session just resets and kicks me back to kdm. I can still log in via kdm as root (after turning on the appropriate option) so this makes me think something went wrong with the copy of /home. I used "rsync -avP /home /mnt/newhome", but the total size |
| 15:34.07 | sparr_ | according to du was about a meg off. What logs might I check to see why the login isnt working, and what better method can I use to copy /home ? |
| 15:34.07 | maher | dirthead: why can't you do 1 full backup weekly and 1 full backup monthly |
| 15:34.11 | giupy | however i have noticed that doom3 sees only 64mb video but i have 128 |
| 15:34.13 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.25 | caphuso | sobersabre: huh? |
| 15:34.31 | directhex|work | Gnea, are you using the retail cooler that came with the cpu? |
| 15:34.40 | sobersabre | like ls -lR | grep (avi or mp3) ... |
| 15:35.00 | bobbens | directhex|work: i dont really trust the lm_sensors. They say my mobo is at 51 and cpu is at 25, although my hardware sensors say its at 41 (cpu). |
| 15:35.00 | Tak | ls -lR | egrep '(avi|mp3)' |
| 15:35.02 | caphuso | sobersabre: egrep '(avi|mp3)' |
| 15:35.06 | Taz_mania | Hello friend, watches I not nothing of linux, that you recommend to me to begin to use it? |
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| 15:35.14 | sobersabre | caphuso, thanks... |
| 15:35.25 | dirthead | maher: once a month I do full backup that goes into the safety deposit box, then we have a full backup for the week, so once a month we do two full backups |
| 15:35.27 | Gnea | directhex|work: yeah basically.. don't remember where i got the cooler tho... when shit breaks i tend to just go replace it the same day, don't like waiting around on other people who have other things to do |
| 15:35.46 | directhex|work | bobbens, perhaps, but 36c isn't too far out for an ambient case temp |
| 15:35.48 | dirthead | caphuso: to do funky backups |
| 15:35.54 | masoft | Taz_mania, what do you need ?! do you have Debian Linux ?! |
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| 15:36.09 | Gnea | 63C for the case |
| 15:36.10 | directhex|work | Gnea, i think you need a better cooler, and some decent TIM |
| 15:36.10 | caphuso | dirthead: then you're fucking stupid and wasting everyone's time |
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| 15:36.20 | Gnea | TIM? |
| 15:36.21 | bobbens | directhex|work: my ambient case temp is 30.9 right now, which is higher then the cpu temp lm_sensors give me |
| 15:36.22 | directhex|work | Gnea, you cannot have a higher case temp than cpu temp, on airt cooling |
| 15:36.23 | caphuso | seriously |
| 15:36.28 | maher | dirthead: yes - that is what happens if you do 1 weekly and 1 monthly - in the week the monthly one runs you have 2 |
| 15:36.36 | dirthead | caphuso: do have a better suggestion |
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| 15:36.37 | directhex|work | bobbens, they're commonly inverted |
| 15:36.43 | Gnea | directhex|work: then lmsensors is fux0red.. it happens |
| 15:36.53 | caphuso | dirthead: well, undo whatever you broke. since i don't know what you did, i can't tell you |
| 15:37.00 | Taz_mania | I do not have, where I can obtain it? |
| 15:37.03 | Gnea | i mean, heh, it thinks the power temp is 126C and there's not even a sensor for that |
| 15:37.03 | directhex|work | Gnea, it's VERY common for cpu & mobo temps to be inverted. |
| 15:37.07 | sobersabre | hmmm caphuso how can i test only the end of the line ? |
| 15:37.09 | bobbens | directhex|work: but my northbridge is hotter then that, its at least at 33+ because i can feel it (always have open case) |
| 15:37.21 | Gnea | directhex|work: ah wait i noticed something |
| 15:37.26 | Gnea | CPU Temp (Intel): |
| 15:37.27 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.31 | directhex|work | bobbens, it's not giving you your NB temp. there'll be a small thermistor on the mobo, not too far from the RAM |
| 15:37.33 | Gnea | CPU Temp (AMD): |
| 15:37.33 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.39 | caphuso | dirthead: actually telling what exactly you did to your poor crontab binary might help... |
| 15:37.49 | Gnea | see that tripped me out too |
| 15:37.53 | caphuso | sobersabre: normal regular expression stuff |
| 15:38.01 | sobersabre | egrep ls -lR | egrep ^'(bla|bli|blu|)' ? |
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| 15:38.18 | Gnea | directhex|work: ultimately i'll probably just wander into best buy sometime today heh |
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| 15:38.48 | BCORREA | boa tarde alguem pode me ajudar |
| 15:38.48 | dagar | if I have a hard drive that I can see in /proc, dmesg and everywhere but I don't have an entry in /dev, how do I create one? |
| 15:38.50 | directhex|work | Gnea, sounds like that's what caused the problems in the first place. order a BIG, FAT cooler online, and some arctic silver 5. |
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| 15:39.15 | directhex|work | Gnea, if it's overkill, you can lower the fan speed on it & it'll run quieter. |
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| 15:39.41 | Gnea | directhex|work: that'll take too long, i need this cooled down now, today now. |
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| 15:40.00 | directhex|work | Gnea, 30cm desk fan pointed at the system, then |
| 15:40.02 | anubis_EOA | can anyone tell me the package that contains cyrus sasl pwcheck daemon |
| 15:40.12 | dirthead | caphuso: well, I didn't touch the crontab binary, I just have two copies of the root crontab I keep in /root. One does one full backup for the week. And another does two full backups for the week. Then I copy the crontab I need over /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root and restart cron. |
| 15:40.14 | directhex|work | Gnea, another crappy cooler that can barely cope with a 700mhz duron will not fix it |
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| 15:40.33 | Gnea | directhex|work: i'm talking system-fan here not cpu-fan :) |
| 15:40.34 | hugle | Heya guys. toay i upated to sarge, and now I can't check my mail using pop3 client. when I trie to tlnt it says: "usr/sbin/vchkpw: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory". |
| 15:40.34 | J_P | ALGUEM AKI TEM UM LINK > 4MB P UM TESTE ? |
| 15:40.41 | hugle | also tried : apt-get install --reinstall libc6-dev but dosn't help... |
| 15:40.43 | J_P | sorry! |
| 15:40.54 | Gnea | directhex|work: the cpu and gpu both have their fans - the system is not sucking it all out like it's used to |
| 15:41.06 | Gnea | er, blowing it all out |
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| 15:41.13 | directhex|work | Gnea, oh. well yeah, you need an exhaust fan (and intake fan) |
| 15:41.19 | directhex|work | preferably 2, or 120mm ones |
| 15:41.22 | caphuso | dirthead: well, /usr/bin/crontab works just fine for everyone else. somehow it doesn't for you. conclusion: you messed with it. and unless you manage to remember what you did to it, there's no way of getting your problem properly solved |
| 15:41.26 | hugle | any1 have meet this problem? |
| 15:41.53 | maher | dagar: MAKEDEV |
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| 15:42.09 | directhex|work | Gnea, bin the system, get a pentium m. can run one without a heatsink if you really want to live life on the edge |
| 15:42.16 | maher | hugle: try using debsums |
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| 15:42.35 | maher | hugle: look in the logs for errors too |
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| 15:43.06 | BCORREA | algum brasileiro? |
| 15:43.08 | dirthead | caphuso: after reading the man page for cron, it looks like the root crontab is not being re-read by cron automatically because the mod time on /var/spool/cron/crontabs has not changed |
| 15:43.19 | maher | !portugese |
| 15:43.19 | dpkg | Por favor, fale em ingles quando estiver no #Debian, assim todos poderão entender. Se você quiser usar um outro idioma, entre em #debian-rs. Para ser ajudado em portugues, use o canal #Debian-BR |
| 15:43.23 | |HS|ARnakin | questions : j'ai suivis le guide d'installation de debian, installé kde et quand je le lance avec la commande kdm --> black screen et reviens sur shell... pl help |
| 15:43.25 | caphuso | dirthead: fuck |
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| 15:43.49 | idnar | !fr |
| 15:43.49 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:43.53 | maher | dirthead: did you understand what i said about using weekly and monthly? |
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| 15:44.17 | |HS|ARnakin | dpkg ty |
| 15:44.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player |
| 15:44.21 | caphuso | dirthead: stop trying to debug the problem yourself. you're not up to it |
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| 15:44.29 | stjepan | oh |
| 15:44.30 | caphuso | dirthead: just tell me what happened to your /usr/bin/crontab |
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| 15:44.32 | stjepan | hi |
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| 15:44.36 | caphuso | dirthead: what did you do it? |
| 15:44.37 | stjepan | I have a problem |
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| 15:44.42 | hamiii | I've just upgraded to sarge. For some reason when I connect (pppoe) to the net now /etc/ppp/ip-up.d no longer gets run. |
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| 15:45.02 | mediafly | hingwah, I've a web site http://whoppix.hackingdefined.com/Whoppix-HD-install.html with a flash video. How can I download that swf to my hard disc? |
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| 15:45.15 | dirthead | maher: you'll have to hit me over the head again, I didn't catch it the first time |
| 15:45.17 | sobersabre | where can i read about regexps ? |
| 15:45.18 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 15:45.32 | caphuso | sobersabre: google |
| 15:45.37 | stjepan | I have ADSL (ethernet). But it is so slow. Opera said that speed is 4 bytes per second!!! pls help me :( What is the problem? |
| 15:45.46 | caphuso | hint: put a "tutorial" to the search term |
| 15:45.49 | maher | dirthead: make a weekly entry and a monthly entry - in the week the monthly entry runs the weekly entry will also run |
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| 15:46.34 | vido | hello guy |
| 15:46.42 | bigbill52a | telinit still works....just figured out the runlevels... |
| 15:46.52 | rarr | how do you set kdm as default? I got rid of gdm/gnome and all it gives me is a conslole login |
| 15:47.00 | dirthead | maher: well the date the monthly backup runs always changes because I always do it the first Monday after the first of the month. |
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| 15:47.13 | maher | dirthead: you can tell cron to do that |
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| 15:47.28 | stjepan | oh |
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| 15:47.37 | stjepan | can anyone help me? |
| 15:47.45 | dirthead | maher: how do I do that? |
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| 15:47.53 | directhex|work | rarr, dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 15:47.55 | bobbens | !ask |
| 15:47.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 15:48.32 | stouset | dirthead: man 5 crontab |
| 15:48.49 | green_earz | stjepan: have a look at setting mta package size for the network card to a lower number, at the moment it will be set at 1500, have a look at ifconfig out put. ?? are you in the UK ?? |
| 15:49.08 | stjepan | green_earz, I am in Croatia |
| 15:49.23 | stjepan | green_earz, what is that setting? |
| 15:49.51 | peterS | stjepan: he means mtu, not mta. maximum transmission unit. basically, maximum packet size |
| 15:50.08 | stjepan | how can I specify it? |
| 15:50.26 | peterS | stjepan: the ethernet spec says packets can be up to 1500 bytes long, that's where the default comes from |
| 15:50.32 | maher | dirthead: you probably want 0 0 1-7 1 * <-- second 1 means Monday |
| 15:50.36 | stjepan | brw, I use DHCP |
| 15:50.44 | peterS | stjepan: ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500 |
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| 15:51.10 | |HS|ARnakin | pl help kde cannot open input device /dev/input/mice (have a standar ps2 mouse how to install it ?) |
| 15:51.11 | dirthead | I can see how to specify the first of the month or how to specify a Monday. But how would I specify the first Monday after the first? |
| 15:51.25 | peterS | stjepan: not sure how to set it permanently except with an 'up' line in /etc/network/interfaces: after the 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' line, 'up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 mtu nnnn' |
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| 15:51.37 | maher | dirthead: what i just said |
| 15:51.54 | dirthead | maher: sorry, I didn't see your response |
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| 15:52.01 | vido | Please I have a question for you: now I'm use a Knoppix/live with kernel26 but I can't use the sound system on my Pc :-( If I use the same livecd with kernel 2.4 I can use the sound sistem why the difference? How can I seek the problem? |
| 15:52.10 | |HS|ARnakin | pl help kde cannot open input device /dev/input/mice (have a standar ps2 mouse how to install it ?) |
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| 15:52.39 | stjepan | peterS, there is: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 15:52.54 | peterS | stjepan: right, so just after that: up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 mtu 1400 |
| 15:52.59 | peterS | stjepan: or whatever number you determine works best |
| 15:53.11 | peterS | stjepan: you'll have to experiment - we don't even know if the mtu is your problem |
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| 15:53.26 | peterS | stjepan: you can run 'ifconfig eth0 mtu 1400' at a root prompt right now, to test |
| 15:53.33 | green_earz | stjepan: I in the UK I set it to MTU:1458 ifconfig ethX mta 1458 and allso set the rounter to the same. use ping -s 1XXX www.yahoo.com , to check for loss packages. the XXX to your own |
| 15:53.36 | Pazzo | |HS|ARnakin: try "modprobe psmouse" & "modprobe mousedev" |
| 15:54.08 | dirthead | maher: thank you! now that makes a whole lot more sense |
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| 15:54.45 | dirthead | caphuso: I think my /usr/bin/cron will be ok now, thanks for the abuse |
| 15:55.12 | caphuso | dirthead: so... how did you fix your /usr/bin/crontab? |
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| 15:55.19 | june | hello all , i would like to install debian right now.. but i also need windows . in about a mounth i wont need windows anymore only debian on that harddrive, what should i do?install windows and then debian?is there possibility to remove windows partition and join it 2 debian without tuching the data on it?? |
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| 15:56.21 | june | hmm any1 can help me in my issue? |
| 15:56.21 | mrfrenzy | june: shrink the windows partition with for example partitionmagic, create linux partitions in the free space |
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| 15:56.34 | cusco | !dmix |
| 15:56.34 | dpkg | [dmix] an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 15:56.52 | stjepan | green_earz, 82% loss |
| 15:56.58 | peterS | mrfrenzy: partition magic is not free software. debian-installer can do what he wants, in many circumstances |
| 15:57.12 | stjepan | green_earz, is it ok? |
| 15:57.23 | june | so i should install windows first after i partitioned already.. and then put linux on that area . |
| 15:57.24 | green_earz | stjepan: all so check if the rounter as a ideal time setting, if so set it to 0 zero, so that the connection will not drop. and you can resovles |
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| 15:57.39 | june | and when i remove windows can i join d space 2 debian? |
| 15:57.48 | mrfrenzy | peterS: that's nice to hear, it couldn't two years when I last tried :) |
| 15:57.54 | raf256 | june: yea |
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| 15:58.03 | stjepan | green_earz, sorry, I do not understand |
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| 15:58.10 | |HS|ARnakin | Pazzo: modprobe ok without error |
| 15:58.12 | peterS | mrfrenzy: I'm not sure if it can resize ntfs yet or not. the tool is included in the installer but I don't know if it's *integrated* into the UI |
| 15:58.21 | raf256 | june: best - place on that partition a linux partition like /usr or /var or /home or /home/pr0n |
| 15:58.22 | peterS | mrfrenzy: FAT, however, it shouldn't have a problem with |
| 15:58.37 | mrfrenzy | well but who uses FAT nowadays? |
| 15:58.53 | raf256 | mrfrenzy: who uses windows nowdays? Lames, thats who |
| 15:58.56 | june | fat is for disk on key only..rest is dead |
| 15:59.00 | green_earz | stjepan: as the router got a ideal time setting. if on activity say in 5 mins the line drops. |
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| 15:59.34 | peterS | june: fat is also for disk on camera (: |
| 15:59.43 | FlimFlamMan | so... if i had a testing-sarge system, is it now a stable-sarge system, or is it still testing? |
| 15:59.45 | june | well i hope debian would be easy and good server :) and hope to get support as well :) |
| 15:59.48 | stjepan | router says: Time Connected: 00:00:21:15 |
| 15:59.58 | mrfrenzy | raf256: with that attitude you'll have a hard time getting a job at any major company |
| 15:59.59 | puff | Hm, recently the daily cron apt.update started giving me this: |
| 16:00.00 | june | ye well , disk on key , memory card 4 me its d same :P |
| 16:00.09 | raf256 | mrfrenzy: I already do have it |
| 16:00.19 | raf256 | mrfrenzy: half of company is on linux \o/ |
| 16:00.42 | green_earz | stjepan: once you find a mta the suits add it to your /etc/network/interfaces below your cards setup. as mta 1XXX |
| 16:00.46 | raf256 | mrfrenzy: Windows: simply technology... for "simple" people ;) |
| 16:00.51 | puff | http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
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| 16:00.54 | puff | http://pastebin.com/299421 |
| 16:01.00 | peterS | green_earz: you keep saying mta when I think you mean mtu |
| 16:01.03 | puff | Any suggestions? |
| 16:01.06 | stouset | puff: security support doesn't exist for testing. |
| 16:01.09 | asg | puff: testing doesn't get security |
| 16:01.11 | caphuso | puff: remove the security line from your sources.list |
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| 16:01.28 | green_earz | peterS: thanks |
| 16:01.45 | stjepan | oh |
| 16:01.46 | mrfrenzy | raf256: and what does the other half say when you call them lame? |
| 16:01.47 | puff | Fair enough... why didn't that show up until just now, AFAIK it's been in the apt sources for abou six months. |
| 16:01.59 | FlimFlamMan | how do i transition from sarge-testing to sarge-stable, or does that happen automatically (ie apt sources, etc) ? |
| 16:02.03 | stouset | puff: Because testing support was put in place for the upcoming Sarge release. |
| 16:02.05 | raf256 | mrfrenzy: I didnt askem ;) |
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| 16:02.20 | stouset | FlimFlamMan: There is no "sarge-testing" and "sarge-stable". Tell us what you mean. |
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| 16:02.23 | puff | Ah-hah. |
| 16:02.27 | puff | Is sarge released? |
| 16:02.35 | asg | puff: /topic |
| 16:02.36 | bobbens | !topicsmite puff |
| 16:02.37 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon puff. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 16:02.52 | green_earz | stjepan: sorry the word should be mtu. and I have been using mta. sorry |
| 16:03.03 | FlimFlamMan | stouset, i have what was, at least, a debian-sarge box with the testing apt repositories. if i continue to update via apt without changing anything, what is my system running? |
| 16:03.21 | stouset | FlimFlamMan: Testing. |
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| 16:03.30 | FlimFlamMan | stouset, so i need to change my apt sources to stable |
| 16:03.45 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: or just 'sarge'. sarge means stable now |
| 16:03.46 | stouset | FlimFlamMan: "Sarge" would be better. |
| 16:03.57 | FlimFlamMan | thanks peterS and stouset |
| 16:04.04 | stouset | FlimFlamMan: Because that way, you won't accidentally start upgrading to etch the day it's released. |
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| 16:04.20 | puff | Okay, so given that I installed sarge (because of hardware issues IRRC), does that mean I cnachange from using testing, or do I have to reinstall sage or something? |
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| 16:04.47 | peterS | puff: just change 'testing' to 'sarge' in sources.list. no other changes |
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| 16:04.53 | FlimFlamMan | so just change all occurrences of testing with sarge in sources.list? |
| 16:04.55 | xsE | When i try to ssh to my server from time to time this happens: "ssh_exchange_identification:" sometimes it only step byes 20min but other days it can take hours before i can get in tuch with the server again. How do i fix this problem? |
| 16:05.00 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: yep |
| 16:05.00 | puff | peterS: Cool. |
| 16:05.03 | FlimFlamMan | thx |
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| 16:05.58 | stjepan | green_earz, pls, step by step :) |
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| 16:06.32 | stjepan | oh |
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| 16:06.54 | peterS | stjepan: start simple. "ping -s600 some.host" - see if you lose any packets when they're only 600 bytes long |
| 16:06.55 | yo2lux | i install kernel 2.6.11.12 for debian linux 3.1, now i want to add the kernel to /boot/grub/menu.lst, i add the bzImage but i don't have an initrd.img-2.6.11 file, exista way to generate this initrd.img file? |
| 16:06.57 | digitalfredy | hello, how can made |
| 16:06.57 | digitalfredy | sed s/a?y/any |
| 16:07.04 | FlimFlamMan | any guesses when unstable will be semi-stable? :-) |
| 16:07.06 | peterS | stjepan: if you still lose the same number of packets, it isn't an MTU issue |
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| 16:07.27 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: that'll be awhile. it's the *most* unstable right now, since everything waiting for post-sarge is happening now |
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| 16:07.51 | green_earz | stjepan: first find a mtu size that suits then add it to your net card settup config /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:08.00 | paypalhunter | hi |
| 16:08.10 | paypalhunter | can any one unbanned me from php |
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| 16:08.13 | paypalhunter | please |
| 16:08.17 | stjepan | ping -s600 www.programiranje.net |
| 16:08.18 | paypalhunter | my |
| 16:08.25 | paypalhunter | i need to go now?????? |
| 16:08.44 | streuner_ | payplhunter: /msg chanserv access #php list and /msg an OP |
| 16:08.50 | mrfrenzy | paypalhunter: maybe you need to go and read about the basics of irc |
| 16:08.56 | FlimFlamMan | peterS, thx ... slight change of topic - i've had an unstable box up for some time, that i'd rather be sarge... haven't run apt-get update in a couple weeks ... is there any way to change to sarge without reinstalling from scratch? |
| 16:09.09 | stjepan | I can't ping |
| 16:09.15 | stjepan | I press Ctrl+C |
| 16:09.21 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: you can change it to sarge, but anything which has been upgraded *above* the sarge version will stay that way |
| 16:09.31 | stjepan | 28 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 27007ms |
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| 16:09.40 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: shouldn't be much of a problem, in practice, because unstable was kept pretty tame leading up to the sarge release, to try and minimize distractions |
| 16:10.01 | FlimFlamMan | peterS, what if i remove/install packages - will they fall back to sarge versions? |
| 16:10.07 | dae | yo2lux, did you build that kernel using make-kpkg ? |
| 16:10.08 | digitalfredy | its posible use the reg expr ? * ... with sed? |
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| 16:10.16 | xsE | When i try to ssh to my server from time to time this happens: "ssh_exchange_identification:" sometimes it only step byes 20min but other days it can take hours before i can get in tuch with the server again. How do i fix this problem? |
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| 16:10.26 | mrfrenzy | sible to add the DS2480B directly to the board. Here is a rough schematic: |
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| 16:10.33 | mrfrenzy | oops |
| 16:10.35 | Gnea | paypalhunter: you probably got banned for a good reason. no one's going to help you get back into another channel. give it up now and think about how you pissed them off and consider not going it again. |
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| 16:10.42 | mrfrenzy | xsE: have you tried google? |
| 16:10.44 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: yeah. but that's kind of disruptive, and if you have custom configuration of these packages, it's not guaranteed to be compatible with earlier versions (configuration and data formats might have been upgraded for you automatically as you upgraded packages) |
| 16:10.51 | FlimFlamMan | Gnea, that's not always the case. some mods are rather capricious |
| 16:11.02 | FlimFlamMan | peterS, ok, thanks |
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| 16:11.08 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: basically, downgrading has never been supported in debian. it'll often work without problems, but not *always* |
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| 16:11.32 | Gnea | FlimFlamMan: this is true, but anyone that's gotta beg to get back into another channel without stating why is probably looking for trouble |
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| 16:12.31 | dae | xsE, Couldn't that just be due to a bad network connection ? Are you sure it's related to ssh ? |
| 16:12.40 | FlimFlamMan | maybe he just didn't know how? i was banned without explanation in a new channel once after two innocuous questions. turned out to be a case of mistaken identity and a trigger-happy op. |
| 16:12.54 | Gnea | heh |
| 16:13.00 | Gnea | yeah i know what that's like |
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| 16:13.26 | citrus | anyone has cracked serial code for debian registration? |
| 16:13.30 | citrus | i only have 30 day trial |
| 16:13.40 | Gnea | citrus: which version of debian? |
| 16:13.41 | masoft | citral, I have |
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| 16:13.57 | citrus | version twelve point five |
| 16:14.03 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 16:14.10 | Ugot2BkidNme | how do I get that nice promtp setup to reconfigure exim4 |
| 16:14.12 | citral | hum |
| 16:14.15 | masoft | citral, you must use these informations : Name : Test1 , Email: test@test.com , Serial: Sarge |
| 16:14.17 | peterS | citrus: hey, it isn't talk like a pirate day |
| 16:14.17 | puff | How do I figure out what version a box is? |
| 16:14.23 | asg | Ugot2BkidNme: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:14.23 | petemc | Ugot2BkidNme: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:14.27 | petemc | :) |
| 16:14.29 | Gnea | puff: read it |
| 16:14.37 | citral | oje |
| 16:14.38 | citrus | dudes, it's like gonna be expired soon and i won't have an OS :( |
| 16:14.41 | FlimFlamMan | more like cabin-boy day |
| 16:14.42 | masoft | citral, what year is there ? 2100 ? :D |
| 16:14.45 | Ugot2BkidNme | ahh sweet thank's was missing the -config |
| 16:15.00 | Gnea | citrus: where did you get this debian? |
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| 16:15.07 | puff | Gnea: WherE? |
| 16:15.08 | asg | petemc: argh matey, argh... |
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| 16:15.17 | peterS | Gnea: it was a free trial - probably from a magazine |
| 16:15.18 | cpop[home] | quick question: I want to start a Debian install in a chroot. I seem to recall there was a basesystem tarball or something like that, but I can't find it. |
| 16:15.20 | Gnea | puff: version of what? |
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| 16:15.28 | jethro | cpop[home]: debbootstrap |
| 16:15.31 | Gnea | peterS: but debian is free |
| 16:15.36 | cpop[home] | right, thanks a lot. |
| 16:15.39 | peterS | Gnea: don't spoil the fun |
| 16:15.40 | jethro | cpop[home]: you're welcome |
| 16:15.50 | E-bola | Can i somehow disconnect a harddrive from linux in sfotware? |
| 16:15.57 | citrus | i downloaded it from torrentspy.com |
| 16:15.58 | E-bola | i get alot of errors reported about crc errors etc |
| 16:15.59 | peterS | cpop[home]: for details: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 16:16.02 | E-bola | even with the drive unmounted |
| 16:16.09 | Gnea | citrus: what's the filename? |
| 16:16.12 | tarzeau | E-bola: not with ide |
| 16:16.13 | E-bola | so i was thinking if there was a way to let linux stay away fromt he drive |
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| 16:16.25 | tarzeau | E-bola: you can turn the motor off though, hdparm -Y |
| 16:16.28 | citrus | it was like |
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| 16:16.37 | tarzeau | E-bola: linux won't touch anything you don't tell it to |
| 16:16.38 | cpop[home] | thanks guys |
| 16:16.48 | E-bola | tarzeau: well its not in my fstab |
| 16:16.51 | Gnea | citrus: naw, need the exact filename |
| 16:16.53 | citrus | OS.version-twelve-point-three-Pam.Sex.Nude.torrent |
| 16:16.53 | puff | Gnea: woody/sarge/sid |
| 16:16.55 | tarzeau | E-bola: then that's fine |
| 16:16.55 | citrus | err |
| 16:16.57 | citrus | no wait |
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| 16:16.59 | E-bola | and its not mounted, where else can i have "told it to touch it" ? |
| 16:17.03 | anubis_EOA | when trying to sasl authenticate wit postfix there is a passwd fail and the logs say cannot open file /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory. The file is however there. any help?? |
| 16:17.04 | Gnea | puff: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:17.11 | tarzeau | citrus: stop trolling |
| 16:17.23 | E-bola | localhost kernel: hdi: status error: error=0x7f { DriveStatusError UncorrectableError...... |
| 16:17.27 | E-bola | its those kinds of errors |
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| 16:17.40 | citrus | oops |
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| 16:17.48 | Gnea | ha |
| 16:17.51 | puff | Hm, odd... auto-completiion dind't find /etc/debian_version, but it's there. |
| 16:17.52 | peterS | anubis_EOA: yeah, I'm guessing postfix is running chrooted or something. you'll have to create an /etc/sasldb2 inside /var/spool/something-or-other |
| 16:17.56 | puff | I'm on 3.1. |
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| 16:18.21 | Gnea | puff: cat /etc/issue |
| 16:18.28 | dae | tarzeau, You can actually shut off IDE devices as well using the program idectl, I use that on my laptop to hotswap the CD for a battery. |
| 16:18.36 | E-bola | tarzeau: i cant use hdparm on it, it doesnt answer |
| 16:18.38 | puff | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 16:18.52 | E-bola | HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(sleep) failed: Input/output error |
| 16:18.54 | Gnea | hrm |
| 16:19.00 | Gnea | puff: probably sarge |
| 16:19.27 | E-bola | dae: remember what package its in? |
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| 16:19.55 | puff | Gnea: Danke. |
| 16:19.56 | nomad_cz | HI. I have got one general question - Would you recommend LDAP or passwd/shadow for user management ? Thanks a lot. |
| 16:19.59 | irsirius | can somebody help me? i have deletet my swap an a vfat partition an created a new Linux and a Linux Swap Partition. Than i created a new swap mkswap /dev/hda5 an a new fs mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda6. i mountet it and copied the content of my homepartition to it. umounted and remouted to check if it works. than deleted the old /home and modified fstab to mount the partition to /home. i rebooted an it was gone :( no ext3 fs on /dev/hda6 |
| 16:20.02 | Gnea | np |
| 16:20.26 | FlimFlamMan | nomad_cz, if you gain pleasure from stabbing your nuts with knitting needles, go for ldap. |
| 16:20.42 | dae | E-bola, I'm looking at it now, it's actually just a script around hdparm... http://www.musall.de/techdocs/linux/dell/idectl |
| 16:20.45 | nomad_cz | FlimFlamMan: ;) |
| 16:20.46 | snail | nomad_cz: LDAP is pointless if you only have a single machine |
| 16:20.47 | anubis_EOA | peterS: is there a way to check if it is and which directory it has chrooted to?? |
| 16:21.02 | nomad_cz | snail: 3 ;) |
| 16:21.04 | Gnea | irsirius: did you remember to create the /home mountpoint after removing the original? |
| 16:21.04 | FlimFlamMan | nomad_cz, but by all means, try it, and if you get it to work WRITE A HOW-TO |
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| 16:21.18 | peterS | anubis_EOA: I suppose you could read the documentation. it'll be /var/spool/postfix though |
| 16:21.33 | Chris62vw | I'm updating my debian "Testing" (sarge?) and I got a few of these: Failed to fetch http://mirror.peer1.net/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found do I need a new mirror or something? too bad too; that machine is like 30 ms away |
| 16:21.37 | irsirius | Gnea: yes its an empty directory. i also tried to mount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /mnt/test |
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| 16:21.51 | nomad_cz | FlimFlamMan: Is it really so bad ? I thought I am only one who does not use it ;)) |
| 16:21.54 | snail | Chris62vw: non-US is no longer needed |
| 16:21.56 | peterS | Chris62vw: oh, I thought you were running gentoo testing |
| 16:22.00 | Gnea | Chris62vw: sarge is no longer testing, it is stable now. testing is etch. |
| 16:22.07 | anubis_EOA | peterS - tnx i'll try that |
| 16:22.10 | sh4dowcat | heh |
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| 16:22.22 | sh4dowcat | now when are they gonna release etch, that's the million dollar question |
| 16:22.23 | Chris62vw | peterS, I said that once in #perl and I meant to say debian testing, but I said gentoo testing :-) |
| 16:22.23 | peterS | sh4dowcat: he mistyped in another channel a few weeks back, see |
| 16:22.28 | FlimFlamMan | nomad_cz, i have no idea, i just know i tried to set it up a couple times and it sucked. never got it to work. but i'm new to ldap altogether, so who knows... |
| 16:22.30 | Chris62vw | Gnea, oh, that's right thanks. |
| 16:22.31 | Chris62vw | thanks snail |
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| 16:22.50 | bisquit | Hello again. Thanks for all the help so far. ;) ...I saw something cool at my friend's. A "login" that does not require password. For an example, to type "top" into the login-field and it would not even ask passwd but do <stuff>... |
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| 16:22.55 | sh4dowcat | hmm..... |
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| 16:23.11 | bisquit | It's the "how to make it not ask for a password"-bit I'm interested in. |
| 16:23.15 | Gnea | bisquit: he probably hacked it to do that |
| 16:23.20 | haakonn | isn't user-mode-linux in the standard sarge repository? what do i have to add to sources.list? |
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| 16:23.25 | nomad_cz | FlimFlamMan: Ok ;) Thanks anyway. |
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| 16:23.35 | Gnea | haakonn: not in sarge |
| 16:23.40 | peterS | bisquit: set the password to nothing. if you *really* want that. I hope your machine isn't on the internet |
| 16:23.41 | Gnea | !uml |
| 16:23.41 | dpkg | methinks uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 16:23.43 | bisquit | Gnea, I thought so. (And frankly, wanted to hack likewise, but not reveal my noobyness by asking him. So...) |
| 16:23.47 | haakonn | thanks Gnea |
| 16:23.49 | FlimFlamMan | bisquit, what are you up to. you just signed in. no one has helped you with anything yet. |
| 16:23.50 | Chris62vw | peterS, I suppose gentoo is a "testing" version, period :-) |
| 16:23.54 | snail | bisquit: make a user with login shell /bin/top or whatever and clear their entire in the password file |
| 16:23.58 | peterS | Chris62vw: right, right |
| 16:23.58 | Gnea | haakonn: there's a link there that will tell you the repo |
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| 16:24.00 | |dennis| | Question: I just installed sarge stable....i booted and all was okay..X started and looked nice.....now when i log off....x screws up somewhere and i do not get the login prompt anymore....i have to reboot to get it back....any ideas? |
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| 16:24.23 | asg | |dennis|: do you use a framebuffer console? If so, don't. |
| 16:24.36 | Gnea | bisquit: might've been using ssh keys |
| 16:24.38 | stouset | asg: Why is that? I use a fb console and have no problems. |
| 16:24.41 | sh4dowcat | asg: nothing wrong with the framebuffer console |
| 16:24.56 | asg | sh4dowcat, stouset: some X chipsets and drivers don't get along well, some do. |
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| 16:25.12 | neo10-CZE | Hello :-) everybody ... |
| 16:25.15 | irsirius | the new partition is a logical partition. could that be a problem_? |
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| 16:25.32 | sh4dowcat | if you partition on the same HD as your root partition |
| 16:25.34 | cocozz | Hi , im having troubles with CUPS . So the printer (usb) is plugged , installed and well configured, the systems recognizes it and all seems too work but It doesnt print anything ... And there is no active process on cups |
| 16:25.39 | sh4dowcat | you'll need to reboot for the kernel to see the changes |
| 16:25.47 | slushpupie | is there some way to find out /why/ apt wants to remove packages when doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:25.50 | neo10-CZE | i have infrequent question :-) .. |
| 16:25.51 | FlimFlamMan | Gnea, ssh keys for a console login - not for eg. gdm login, right? |
| 16:25.55 | Gnea | sh4dowcat: wrong. |
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| 16:26.11 | Gnea | FlimFlamMan: could be done either way |
| 16:26.12 | sh4dowcat | Gnea: ok so what's the trick then? |
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| 16:26.28 | sh4dowcat | remount the hd? |
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| 16:26.40 | Gnea | sh4dowcat: there is no trick, i've partitioned the rest of a hd before and mounted it no problems |
| 16:26.49 | Gnea | probably just didn't edit /etc/fstab right |
| 16:27.00 | Gnea | permissions maybe? |
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| 16:27.06 | |dennis| | asg: would that be in my kernel boot parameters? |
| 16:27.07 | sh4dowcat | no last time I used fdisk to add partitions to my /dev/hda |
| 16:27.10 | neo10-CZE | I'd like to buy T-shirt with Debian logo.. I'm from CZECH republic and nobody sell it here :( ... |
| 16:27.12 | nomad_cz | I dare to ask another question ;) Sarge + 2.6.11.11 + new ati drivers - I have got lots of strange errors in log - mostly something like - [fglrx:firegl_lock] *ERROR* Process 4881 is using illegal context 0x00000005. Any idea what's wrong ? ) |
| 16:27.13 | irsirius | there WAS a filesystem ive seen it. i mounted it unmounted it and remouted it but after the reboot it was gone. what can i do? |
| 16:27.14 | sh4dowcat | I had to reboot for the kernel to see the new partition table |
| 16:27.20 | asg | |dennis|: yes, vga=771 or similar |
| 16:27.37 | asg | |dennis|: if you don't have one, then the problem lies elsewhere. |
| 16:27.56 | neo10-CZE | Where I can buy this T-shirt? .. |
| 16:28.02 | bobbens | nomad_cz: those drivers only work in kernels up to 2.6.10, bad boy |
| 16:28.12 | sh4dowcat | heh |
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| 16:28.20 | sh4dowcat | bobbens: ATI has linux drivers now? ;) |
| 16:28.23 | neo10-CZE | Somewhere in foreing countries |
| 16:28.31 | nomad_cz | bobbens: Hmm ;) I see ;) I must admit I really did not check ;) |
| 16:28.42 | bobbens | sh4dowcat: kernel tainting drivers, theyve improved alot, but still have setbacks |
| 16:28.48 | snadge | love the topic.. "sid is literally again unstable" |
| 16:29.00 | sh4dowcat | snadge: heh |
| 16:29.01 | snadge | that would be why gnome doesnt work at the moment.. and im ircing from console :) |
| 16:29.06 | neo10-CZE | halo.... |
| 16:29.11 | |dennis| | asg: I just looked at /boot/grub/menu.lst and no such option is included,,,,,,,,, |
| 16:29.12 | sh4dowcat | snadge: what did you break this time? :P |
| 16:29.16 | tarzeau | dae: ah ok |
| 16:29.23 | snadge | gnome panel crashes.. and nautilus doesnt work |
| 16:29.38 | tarzeau | dae: what pkg is idectl in? |
| 16:29.42 | stouset | snadge: Nautilus giving segfaults? |
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| 16:29.43 | streuner_ | snadge: /msg dpkg window manager |
| 16:29.44 | asg | |dennis|: are you using a binary vendor provided X driver (i.e. ati or nvidia)? If so, does the problem occur with the standard X driver? |
| 16:29.50 | snadge | leaving X in an unusable state.. as i type, im frantically installing xfce4 (hoping its some kind of window manager that will give me a gui back) |
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| 16:30.08 | sh4dowcat | snadge: heh try KDE |
| 16:30.11 | snadge | yeah.. i take it thats part of the gnome 2.10 merge.. which im all for |
| 16:30.36 | |dennis| | asg: I have an intel 845gv onboard video card...sarge does not seem to have drivers for it and so decides to choose vesa... |
| 16:30.39 | bisquit_ | Hope they came through dispite the sucky connection. I merely said thanks and in reply to peterS I said that there is a way to make an account non loggable from elsewhere than the console, right?-) |
| 16:30.39 | snadge | hopefully theres a few more packages to get merged soon which unbreak things.. i refuse to install kde ;) |
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| 16:30.53 | sh4dowcat | snadge: bah :P |
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| 16:30.56 | sh4dowcat | KDE > * |
| 16:30.57 | tarzeau | sh4dowcat: it'll first be in sid |
| 16:31.03 | bobbens | snadge: try fluxbox, it works for me :P |
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| 16:31.11 | sh4dowcat | tarzeau: yeah I know |
| 16:31.14 | Ugot2BkidNme | snadge I like kde it's nice a pretty |
| 16:31.17 | nomad_cz | snadge: IceWM ;) I love it ;) |
| 16:31.19 | snadge | fluxbox would be smaller than xfce too.. damnit |
| 16:31.38 | ninja | the best thing that Debian developers can do fot etch is change xfree for xorg |
| 16:31.56 | whm | icewm seemed very fast |
| 16:32.01 | streuner_ | amen |
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| 16:32.06 | Ugot2BkidNme | I don;t know why x.org split from xfree86 |
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| 16:32.17 | sh4dowcat | Ugly_Duck: because of a licensing issue |
| 16:32.26 | tarzeau | streuner_: play some #bub-n-bros ? |
| 16:32.33 | asg | |dennis|: hmmm, okay. If it's a newish card, you might want to google about to see if others have had the same issue (or ask here again.) |
| 16:32.36 | tarzeau | jethro, jharrisonwk, takatumi #bub-n-bros ? |
| 16:32.48 | streuner_ | tarzeau: iam in i-net cafe on XP :-P |
| 16:32.52 | peterS | bisquit_: see /etc/security/access.conf |
| 16:32.52 | paulswm | !irritate tarzeau |
| 16:32.52 | dpkg | tarzeau: wenas who uses dvd kk |
| 16:33.00 | whm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.05 | snadge | rofl.. if i startx with just metacity in my .xinitrc, i get a mouse pointer |
| 16:33.07 | |dennis| | asg: thanks.....googling it right now.....trying to see what other do to find the proper driver..... |
| 16:33.22 | tarzeau | streuner_: it also works on XP :) |
| 16:33.31 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 16:33.36 | tarzeau | streuner_: also ask some dudes from there |
| 16:33.41 | tarzeau | streuner_: the more dragons, the more fire |
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| 16:33.46 | peterS | bisquit_: also uncomment the 'account required pam_access.so' line from /etc/pam.d/login |
| 16:33.52 | paulswm | Arrgh WinME |
| 16:34.15 | sh4dowcat | heh |
| 16:34.20 | paulswm | !qotd111 |
| 16:34.20 | dpkg | well, qotd111 is <Cray2> stoned: take my advice, for GODS SAKE dont use WinME as a router |
| 16:34.20 | sh4dowcat | that gave paulswm nightmares |
| 16:34.38 | sh4dowcat | paulswm: I wouldn't use WinME as an os |
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| 16:34.50 | paulswm | I've never used it. |
| 16:34.59 | hyksos | hi, does someone know a tool to create relationship-diagrams from a postgresql db? |
| 16:35.02 | paulswm | But I've heard stories :) |
| 16:35.05 | Chris62vw | winme is just like windows 98 |
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| 16:35.08 | sh4dowcat | it's a pain to support |
| 16:35.15 | sh4dowcat | Chris62vw: with 1000% more bsods |
| 16:35.16 | da4n1 | i've debootstrapped sarge but chen i chroot i get "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory" but it worked yesterday but now this? |
| 16:35.26 | sh4dowcat | click the start menu in WinME and the thing crashes on you |
| 16:35.30 | stouset | da4n1: Where are you chrooting to? |
| 16:35.39 | E-bola | <Chris62vw> winme is just like windows 98 |
| 16:35.40 | paulswm | Isn't WinME the one with Microsoft Bob? |
| 16:35.42 | E-bola | thats certainly not true |
| 16:35.45 | da4n1 | /var/chroot/ia32 |
| 16:35.59 | stouset | da4n1: Is there a /var/chroot/ia32/bin/bash? |
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| 16:36.03 | sh4dowcat | paulswm: nah |
| 16:36.05 | da4n1 | yes |
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| 16:36.54 | plugwash | any idea why ssh would start using keyboard interactice authentication after woody-sarge upgrade? |
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| 16:36.57 | stouset | da4n1: What's the command you're running? |
| 16:37.06 | da4n1 | chroot /var/chroot/ia312 |
| 16:37.25 | tarzeau | anyone else like playing games like http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
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| 16:37.43 | cahoot | plugwash: might be UsePAM yes in sshd_config |
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| 16:38.38 | FlimFlamMan | um, what is dash, exactly? like bash? |
| 16:38.49 | bobbens | FlimFlamMan: minimalistic bash |
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| 16:38.55 | FlimFlamMan | ok, thx |
| 16:39.01 | justin | FlimFlamMan: what does the package description say it is? |
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| 16:39.40 | sess | question |
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| 16:39.48 | sess | Im upgrading my kernel from 2.4.27 to 2.6.11 |
| 16:40.02 | sess | I dl'ed the kernel source using apt-get install kernel-tree blah blha |
| 16:40.10 | sess | now when I try to make install it bitches about socket.h |
| 16:40.13 | FlimFlamMan | ii dash 0.5.2-5 The Debian Almquist Shell |
| 16:40.17 | sess | what else is required before I can upgrade it |
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| 16:40.36 | streuner_ | sess: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 16:41.24 | Jimmymaniac | tarzeau: a network multiplayer bubble bobble clone? what are you doing? why do you threaten civilization? is not enough with Frozen Bubble (more addictive than crack as it is), and now a networked version? wonder if it's on sarge or something :) |
| 16:41.26 | justin | FlimFlamMan: derr. apt-cache show dash. |
| 16:41.38 | tarzeau | Jimmymaniac: yes. |
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| 16:41.53 | tarzeau | Jimmymaniac: up to 10 players bubble bobble, it's not addictive at all, really try it once |
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| 16:42.57 | Jimmymaniac | if it's even close to frozen bubble, we're gonna need Bubbrotherous Anonymous and support groups soon :P |
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| 16:43.15 | tarzeau | Jimmymaniac: the server is up, and there's #bub-n-bros |
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| 16:44.44 | Jimmymaniac | i tell you, the universe is hell-bent on making me unproductive, first nethack (not even being able to advance much) and now multiplayer frozenbubble, it's a conspiracy! XD |
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| 16:45.18 | da4n1 | stouset: is there a scrit or somthin that says where /bin/bash is? should it be /var/chroot/bin/bash? |
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| 16:45.55 | zumbi | i am trying to debianize a source, but i have a warning: W: hello-x: binary-without-manpage hellox, i have write debian/hellox from manpages.ex that dh_make threw |
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| 16:47.38 | Jimmymaniac | tarzeau: you sure it's on debian already? what's the package name? |
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| 16:49.48 | n0cturnal | what's the easiest way to disable something in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 16:50.14 | justin | n0cturnal: uninstall it |
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| 16:50.18 | thomas_adam | n0cturnal: rcconf |
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| 16:50.30 | TiT_Crapeau | Bjr J'ai un pb peut ton maider ? |
| 16:50.38 | haakonn | Gnea: http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt is great, but the host i'm on doesn't have x11 on it, so the login windows don't come up. do you know how to deal with that, so that i can log in on the console instead? |
| 16:50.39 | sess | I still get the same error, do I need to download teh kernel source tar instaed of the kernel tree? |
| 16:50.48 | thomas_adam | !fr |
| 16:50.48 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:50.48 | thomas_adam | |
| 16:50.49 | sess | I assumed the tree encompassed teh source |
| 16:50.50 | asg | !tell TiT_Crapeau about fr |
| 16:50.58 | TNKS | hi all. I was wondering if the VGA text console kernel option can accomplish pretty the same high-resolution as the framebuffer console. |
| 16:51.01 | n0cturnal | ta |
| 16:51.02 | Gnea | haakonn: no i don't, it's something i need to contend with yet :/ |
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| 16:51.13 | haakonn | ok :) |
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| 16:51.17 | Gnea | :) |
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| 16:51.34 | Eulex | tnks: vga is vga, it can't do higher than 640x480 |
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| 16:51.53 | Eulex | or 720x400 text mode |
| 16:51.55 | haakonn | it's good to have such a to-the-point howto anyway, the networking stuff is voodoo to me |
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| 16:52.30 | Gnea | hrm.. this cvs server works half-assed... got it to do accounts and whatnot and login, when i go to import a project it uplaods it then when it tries to write it out says permission denied.. on the server-side it's all root-owned (is that right?) and running out of inetd |
| 16:52.42 | TNKS | hmm the kernel documentation says, "The program SVGATextMode can be used to utilize SVGA video cards to their full potential in text mode." |
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| 16:52.53 | TNKS | (for VGA_CONSOLE) |
| 16:52.56 | zumbi | where could i ask my quetion relating to making debs ? |
| 16:53.09 | Eulex | tnks: yes, but that's svga, not vga |
| 16:53.11 | zumbi | s/quetion/questions |
| 16:53.32 | mikaEL` | !tell zumbi about deb |
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| 16:53.57 | zumbi | !tell mikaEL` about deb |
| 16:54.09 | irsirius | ok the program testdisk saved my life |
| 16:54.13 | zumbi | that doesn't answer my question :-/ |
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| 16:54.34 | intel4004 | where might I find some help with xandros? |
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| 16:54.57 | zumbi | intel4004, /j #xandros |
| 16:54.59 | asg | intel4004: #xandros |
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| 16:55.06 | intel4004 | thanks |
| 16:56.41 | tarzeau | Jimmymaniac: no it's not |
| 16:56.53 | tarzeau | Jimmymaniac: get the source, unpack, install python2.2-dev and run ./BubBob |
| 16:56.55 | masoft | why you don't use Fedora Core until it has more users ? |
| 16:57.07 | tarzeau | masoft: it has not the software that debian has |
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| 16:57.10 | stouset | Argh. Is there an easy way to run a command in the shell and test its error code? |
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| 16:57.21 | tarzeau | masoft: does fedora run on sparc, m68k, alpha, hpparisc, mips? |
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| 16:57.26 | stouset | i.e., in one line |
| 16:57.31 | tarzeau | masoft: yes I do have those archs (except m68k) |
| 16:57.48 | stouset | I'm looking for something like "if `ps 11629`", but testing $? rather than stdout |
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| 16:58.02 | Jimmymaniac | tarzeau: ok |
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| 16:59.35 | Zrin | hi, I need help with: ntpdate[6463]: cannot find family compatible socket to send ntp packet |
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| 17:00.02 | Zrin | google gives just 4-5 unusable links |
| 17:00.10 | whm | when run a command with "nohup",there is no screen output,but i want screen output .how can i do? |
| 17:00.22 | Zrin | whm redirect the output |
| 17:00.41 | cdc | how to download ogg files from a web site using wget |
| 17:00.54 | whm | Zrin can tell me in detail? |
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| 17:01.12 | Zrin | whm nohup command >output.txt |
| 17:02.07 | Eulex | cdc: wget url? |
| 17:02.09 | whm | Zrin it's have a log fine named nohup.log, but i want it to put information directly in screen |
| 17:02.28 | justin | !wayttd whm |
| 17:02.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, whm? |
| 17:02.46 | cdc | Eulex, i gave wget -r <url> but that does not get the ogg files |
| 17:03.07 | Zrin | any hint for ntpdate[6463]: cannot find family compatible socket to send ntp packet ?? |
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| 17:03.28 | asg | Zrin: is this a debian kernel or one you compiled on your own? |
| 17:03.36 | Zrin | asg debian |
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| 17:03.47 | Eulex | cdc: you're trying to fetch ogg files linked to from a page? |
| 17:03.55 | Zrin | asg no other symptoms, inet connectivity is ok |
| 17:03.57 | whm | dpkg i want run programe run with "nohup" and information output directly in screen |
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| 17:04.10 | asg | Zrin: what debian are you running? |
| 17:04.11 | cdc | yes Eulex |
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| 17:04.16 | Zrin | asg sarge |
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| 17:04.21 | cdc | http://stream.fluendo.com/archive/6uadec/ |
| 17:04.27 | cdc | this contains all the ogg files http://stream.fluendo.com/archive/6uadec/ |
| 17:04.33 | cdc | i want to download all these ogg files |
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| 17:04.35 | cdc | how do i do that? |
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| 17:04.48 | asg | Zrin: hmm, you might check the bts (and http://lists.ntp.isc.org/pipermail/bugs/2004-November/001594.html) |
| 17:04.54 | Zrin | asg: 2.4 kernel |
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| 17:05.06 | Zrin | bts? |
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| 17:05.15 | asg | !bts |
| 17:05.15 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:05.17 | Eulex | cdc: check the man page of wget... I'm currently looking too |
| 17:05.27 | asg | !info ntpdate sarge |
| 17:05.33 | dpkg | ntpdate: (The ntpdate client for setting system time from NTP servers), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.0a+stable-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 17:05.33 | Zrin | ty |
| 17:05.35 | sparr_ | What cleans out /tmp on debian? |
| 17:05.48 | Zrin | asg: yes, that's the one |
| 17:05.50 | hilbert94 | hello! I want to update a woody box without network access to sarge. In the past I used apt-zip. But I read that the appropriate way to do the upgrade is aptitude. Which way is suggested in this case? |
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| 17:06.11 | ircdevil | how mane pagehits does google get in a day? |
| 17:06.33 | streuner_ | 5.000 |
| 17:06.43 | justin | sparr_: grep -r '/tmp' /etc/init.d |
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| 17:07.02 | Eulex | cdc: check out the --accept option |
| 17:07.23 | sparr_ | justin: soooo not unique :) |
| 17:07.27 | Eulex | cdc: I think you need --accept *.ogg |
| 17:07.27 | hilbert94 | sparr: /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh |
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| 17:07.36 | |HS|ARnakin | need help for samba --> how to change files length etc. for sharing with winXP i mean with text name format ... |
| 17:07.53 | |HS|ARnakin | need help for samba --> how to change files length etc. for sharing with winXP i mean with text name format in smb.conf |
| 17:08.08 | asg | |HS|ARnakin: ask #samba |
| 17:08.12 | |HS|ARnakin | ty |
| 17:08.15 | sparr_ | hilbert94: thanks |
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| 17:08.30 | Zrin | asg: is it possible that this bug is still here (in sarge) ?!? |
| 17:08.30 | Eulex | cdc: I'm out of here for a few mins, so I hope this helps |
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| 17:09.01 | asg | Zrin: maybe, check the changelog (/usr/share/doc/ntpdate/changelog.Debian.gz) |
| 17:09.29 | sparr_ | i need bootclean.sh to NOT delete /tmp/iso or /tmp/iso/lost+found, will adding them to EXCEPT work? |
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| 17:10.10 | justin | sparr_: uh, wtf did you mount something in /tmp for? |
| 17:10.13 | asg | Zrin: hmmm, doesn't look like it. I can't reproduce the error on my sarge instance. |
| 17:10.18 | Zrin | asg: how to check ntpd synchronization (i added logfile /var/log/ntpd to the config) but the log is empty |
| 17:10.33 | asg | Zrin: check /var/log/syslog also |
| 17:10.34 | sparr_ | justin: because thats the only place that made sense |
| 17:10.38 | Zrin | asg: i have a clean sarge install |
| 17:10.50 | asg | Zrin: as do I |
| 17:11.18 | justin | sparr_: it makes the least sense. mount it in /srv/iso or /usr/local/iso or even /iso. |
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| 17:11.37 | sparr_ | justin: then i have to duplicate bootclean.sh to clean it out? |
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| 17:12.15 | justin | sparr_: why would it need cleaning out? |
| 17:12.23 | sparr_ | why would /tmp need cleaning out? |
| 17:12.28 | sparr_ | (both rhetorical questions, i hope) |
| 17:12.40 | justin | sparr_: no, you are making ZERO sense |
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| 17:12.56 | justin | sparr_: first you ask how to make it NOT delete /tmp/isos, now you want it be deleted? |
| 17:13.05 | sparr_ | i want the CONTENTS to be deleted |
| 17:13.07 | sparr_ | just like for /tmp |
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| 17:13.11 | amorphix | this may be the wrong question for here, but how do you get the Gamma setting to stick in KDE? |
| 17:13.23 | asg | amorphix: #debian-kde perhaps? |
| 17:13.25 | sparr_ | just like for /tmp/lost+found |
| 17:13.28 | amorphix | true |
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| 17:16.50 | gorby | If i download the stable sarge release will it use 2.6.8.2 on i386 by default? |
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| 17:17.03 | bobwJek | gorby: no |
| 17:17.05 | asg | gorby: no, you have to install with linux26 |
| 17:17.06 | mikeX | gorby, if you boot with 'linux26' |
| 17:17.20 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 17:17.22 | gorby | k, thx |
| 17:17.23 | mikeX | gorby, or with 'expert' and choose 2.6 later on |
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| 17:17.27 | ivoks | hi |
| 17:17.27 | asg | dan2: afternoon |
| 17:17.36 | ivoks | congrats on sarge |
| 17:17.47 | gorby | ill just apt it before dpkg gets excited |
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| 17:18.22 | gorby | yeah its so cool sarge has gone stable |
| 17:18.32 | bobwJek | anyone have a good way to get https working, it dosent seem to load on default or with apache2ctl startssl |
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| 17:19.00 | asg | bobwJek: install apache libapache-mod-ssl ; and use /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 17:19.04 | Empty | bobwJek, what do the logs say? |
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| 17:19.36 | sess | I really need some info on fixing this missing include error when trying to build my kernel |
| 17:19.49 | sess | it says a link in /usr/include/sys/socket.h is missing |
| 17:19.53 | sess | specifically asm/socket.h |
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| 17:20.05 | sess | I can't get past that, otherwise I can compile the kernel |
| 17:20.08 | justin | sess: why are you building a kernel? |
| 17:20.08 | hilbert94 | Can someone tell me how to upgrade a Debian woody so sarge without network access (I dont't want to download the ISO's but only the needed packages on a different box) |
| 17:20.11 | sess | I jsut don't know whats missing |
| 17:20.12 | Empty | How would I tell nf/iptables to forward all traffic to port 9025TCP on a local IP (meaning one on an IF in the box) to port 25 on 1.2.3.4? |
| 17:20.19 | sess | justin: Im running 2.4.27 |
| 17:20.22 | sess | upping to 2.6.11 |
| 17:20.25 | asg | Empty: #iptables is probably a better place to ask |
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| 17:20.43 | Linux_newbee | getting error radiusd.conf[2] Failed to link to module 'rlm_sqlcounter': /usr/lib/freeradius/rlm_sqlcounter.a: invalid ELF header any ideas? |
| 17:20.57 | Empty | asg thakns just figured someone here might know |
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| 17:21.02 | jethro | Empty: google for transparent proxying iptables, and adapt it to fit your needs |
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| 17:21.27 | asg | Empty: somebody here might but you should ask there first. |
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| 17:22.23 | bobwJek | asg: Empty: I ran apt-get install libapache-mod-ssl and restarted, still no 443 |
| 17:22.48 | bobwJek | im running apache2, does it matter or have to be apache1? |
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| 17:22.49 | paster | "tzafrir" at 212.179.75.202 pasted "netstat -nr6 (ipv6 routing table). Is it OK?" (12 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/225 |
| 17:22.51 | asg | bobwJek: did you enable Port 443 in /etc/apache/ports.conf or /etc/apache/httpd.conf? |
| 17:23.22 | tzafrir_laptop | Can anybody look at my paste, please? |
| 17:23.31 | bobwJek | asg, nope, ports.conf is commented out |
| 17:23.35 | sess | forget it, I figured it out |
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| 17:23.37 | sess | bakc later |
| 17:24.10 | bobwJek | asg, also my apache2.conf has no 443 in it |
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| 17:24.30 | RedPenguin | Why is it that apt-get downloads files again that it already downloaded if it you restart it? I mean, I had to stop it then restart it later, and it's downloading the same file it already completed |
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| 17:25.21 | tzafrir_laptop | RedPenguin, normally it will continue from where it stopped |
| 17:25.27 | Empty | jethro, asg thanks |
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| 17:25.38 | Empty | bobwJek, that's what your log says? :P |
| 17:25.41 | RedPenguin | Yeah I know, but with tetex-base, it seems to want to always start it over |
| 17:25.58 | jethro | Empty: welcome |
| 17:26.31 | bobwJek | Empty: my log dosent have anything unusual |
| 17:26.39 | bobwJek | i just dont know how to enable ssl |
| 17:26.43 | tzafrir_laptop | RedPenguin, it downloads the files to /var/cache/apt/archives/partial . When they're done they're moved to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:27.03 | tzafrir_laptop | RedPenguin, Take a look at the files in partial |
| 17:27.15 | bobwJek | Empty: Yes, my log says, "apache2.conf has no 443 in it" ...wouldnt that be awesome |
| 17:27.31 | tzafrir_laptop | RedPenguin, also: is there actually enough disk space? |
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| 17:28.08 | Empty | bobwJek, well.... |
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| 17:28.51 | tania | ola |
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| 17:29.02 | Empty | tania, ITYM hola |
| 17:29.06 | hidalgo | erestía |
| 17:29.59 | tania | soy una chica muy chula |
| 17:30.05 | jethro | !es |
| 17:30.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:30.11 | hidalgo | si hombre |
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| 17:30.30 | luminerd | I am told my linuxwacom.sf.net to compile mousedev as a module...in my kernel, it is built in. when I attempted to recompile the kernel with mousedev built as a module, module is not an option; only built in. When I menuconfig and press M, it reverts to the asterisk. |
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| 17:31.12 | justin | luminerd: debian kernels already have mousedev built as a module |
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| 17:31.27 | tania | quilla como te va con tu querido |
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| 17:31.54 | chulo | olaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 17:32.00 | tania | jaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 17:32.12 | asg | ah, I see the daily Spanish idiocy has begun. |
| 17:32.16 | tania | que pesada eres |
| 17:32.17 | chulo | de dondeers |
| 17:32.20 | luminerd | justin, :/ I'm on slackware, no one there could help me :( |
| 17:32.21 | cusco | !es |
| 17:32.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:32.22 | shizz | hello |
| 17:32.49 | Empty | luminerd, maybe edit .config by hand before make? |
| 17:32.56 | jethro | luminerd: /msg dpkg they don't know |
| 17:33.13 | Ugot2BkidNme | hmm ok wierd question here I have mounted a network drive via samba the share shows up but it happens to be located on the remote machine as /home/brader while locally it is mounted to /home/brader/personal on this drive I have a series of ln's to other folders that are no tshared for security reasons so but when I try to use konqueror locally to access these folders I get a file does not seem to exist anymore while when I ssh into the othe |
| 17:33.13 | Ugot2BkidNme | r server they work properly any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 17:33.37 | luminerd | Empty, ok don't want to screw things up, but if that's my only option that will have to do |
| 17:33.43 | jethro | Ugot2BkidNme: /j #samba, ask there |
| 17:33.44 | Antonioceuta | ola |
| 17:33.46 | luminerd | jethro, huh? |
| 17:33.52 | jethro | !they don't know |
| 17:33.53 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:33.56 | Empty | luminerd, maybe not your only option but *an* option |
| 17:34.03 | jethro | luminerd: ^^ |
| 17:34.12 | shizz | lol jethro |
| 17:34.27 | Antonioceuta | aguaryou |
| 17:34.38 | Antonioceuta | no comel pipol |
| 17:34.39 | luminerd | lol |
| 17:34.46 | Antonioceuta | alooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:34.49 | jethro | !lol |
| 17:34.49 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a knoppix user. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 17:34.49 | luminerd | jethro, what is dpkg? |
| 17:34.54 | Antonioceuta | hello |
| 17:35.01 | jethro | luminerd: in #debian, it is a bot |
| 17:35.05 | tania | marta soy un chico muy especial |
| 17:35.22 | jethro | dpkg: what are you? |
| 17:35.22 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 17:35.24 | kaiowa | hi, how could i do that when i user login by telnet, a script auto execute?? |
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| 17:35.36 | Fleck | ;p |
| 17:35.39 | Antonioceuta | saludfrench |
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| 17:36.01 | tania | me llamo jorje contesta guapa |
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| 17:36.26 | jes | hello |
| 17:36.30 | mofino | Can someone give me the offical reasoning behind why Debian hasn't approved xorg for inclusion yet? |
| 17:36.37 | jharrisonwk | no habla |
| 17:36.43 | jes | hello |
| 17:36.45 | shizz | is it possible to change the color of "Applications" "Actions" and some other desktop buttons color using GNOME? |
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| 17:36.48 | mofino | From my understand it's because xorg doesn't support all 11 archs. |
| 17:36.50 | jes | olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 17:36.53 | jharrisonwk | mofino: because debian does not like xorg |
| 17:37.01 | mofino | jharrisonwk, are you serious? |
| 17:37.02 | ledet | !tell tania about debian-es |
| 17:37.07 | jharrisonwk | mofino: slightly |
| 17:37.14 | mofino | jharrisonwk, heh |
| 17:37.17 | mofino | No I'm serious here. |
| 17:37.22 | jes | arreyou |
| 17:37.30 | jethro | mofino: no. it's because debian x strike force was working on the x packages for sarge, based on xfree4.3.0. xorg is being packaged for unstable at the moment iirc |
| 17:37.36 | jes | como te llamas |
| 17:37.39 | jethro | !xorg |
| 17:37.39 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
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| 17:37.54 | jharrisonwk | mofino: xorg was not included in sarge because the inclusion of such a major software package such as xorg would have introduced to many problems |
| 17:38.03 | mofino | Yeah ok |
| 17:38.05 | jes | ola |
| 17:38.06 | jethro | jharrisonwk: and a huge delay |
| 17:38.09 | jharrisonwk | mofino: however sarge has now released |
| 17:38.09 | mofino | I'm not asking about sarge. |
| 17:38.17 | jharrisonwk | mofino: so it will be included shortly |
| 17:38.18 | jes | hay algien español |
| 17:38.18 | mofino | I'm asking in general |
| 17:38.25 | jharrisonwk | mofino: its in the works |
| 17:38.45 | jethro | mofino: it's just because they were working on sarge. |
| 17:38.48 | Linux_newbee | los españoles están en #debian-es |
| 17:38.52 | mofino | jethro, oh ok |
| 17:39.01 | jethro | mofino: now xorg is being worked on and packaged for debian, officialy |
| 17:39.04 | mofino | jethro, so it has nothing to do with the failure to compile it for some of the archs? |
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| 17:39.16 | jethro | mofino: not that I know of. but I might be wrong on that. |
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| 17:39.45 | jharrisonwk | mofino: there are quite a few arch drops in etch |
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| 17:39.52 | mofino | jharrisonwk, oh yeah? |
| 17:39.54 | jharrisonwk | mofino: so I doubt it would be for that reason |
| 17:39.56 | robert | in apache 2.0 could someone give me a hint and to where .cgi files need to go? |
| 17:39.59 | mofino | jharrisonwk, I seem to remember reading that |
| 17:40.12 | Ugot2BkidNme | robert how abotu you set that yourself |
| 17:40.24 | jetx | i can't believe they released a non-professional looking installer, but hey i can't do better |
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| 17:40.41 | jethro | jetx: talking about d-i ? |
| 17:40.51 | mofino | jetx, not professional? |
| 17:40.53 | ledet | robert: ind whatever context you have given the ExecCGI option |
| 17:40.55 | Eulex | cdc: you got it worked out? |
| 17:40.59 | jetx | yeah, or what do we call sarge installer |
| 17:41.02 | asg | !troll jetx |
| 17:41.04 | kaiowa | how could i do to execute an auto script when a user login by telnet?? |
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| 17:41.11 | zumbi | someone has experience debianizing software ? lintian tells me i have not manpage, but i did wrote it under debian/program.6 |
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| 17:41.21 | robert | ledet, that is in the apache2.conf file i believe? |
| 17:41.28 | TuxMeister | how can i tell ping command to send only 4 requests? |
| 17:41.28 | tarzeau | zumbi: put it in debian/manpages |
| 17:41.34 | tarzeau | zumbi: look at some examples |
| 17:41.34 | mofino | jetx, you sure you don't want to use gentoo or something? |
| 17:41.35 | mofino | heh |
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| 17:41.41 | jethro | hah |
| 17:41.55 | zumbi | tarzeau, i did, i looked examples as tuxeyes |
| 17:41.55 | ledet | robert: consider putting it in the sites-available folder and then linking to it from the sites-enabled folder |
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| 17:42.03 | mhall | I am trying to make a shell tool which logs to both the command line and to a file, but it must not delete or overwrite any previous contents of the file. What redirection operator is needed? |
| 17:42.04 | clinux | alguem fala em portugues brasil? |
| 17:42.15 | asg | !tell clinux about br |
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| 17:42.16 | tarzeau | zumbi: and is there no debian/manpages with debian/the.6 ? |
| 17:42.23 | tarzeau | zumbi: and you have a dh_installman or so? |
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| 17:42.35 | jharrisonwk | mhall: #bash? |
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| 17:42.49 | jethro | mhall: why are you doing this? |
| 17:42.54 | luminerd | jethro, a bot for what? |
| 17:42.57 | clinux | alguem sabe um canal br? |
| 17:42.58 | zumbi | yes, tarzeau, i have it |
| 17:43.07 | jetx | i said looking, and while that's true, i was thinking about functionality, and/or things when you hit the F keys actually being there. |
| 17:43.10 | jethro | luminerd: a bot for many things |
| 17:43.13 | jethro | !lart luminerd |
| 17:43.14 | tarzeau | mhall: >> or |tee -a ? |
| 17:43.15 | mhall | jethro: Well the trick is, it performs critical actions on a production system. |
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| 17:43.18 | asg | clinux: go away, we don't speak tard here |
| 17:43.20 | syllable | alright, i am new to linux, about 4 hours new, just installed sarge and i am having a horrible time getting X to start... tried so many apt-gets and what not and i think its just me being a newbie and i am missing something very obvious... if anyone can query me and help me out, id appreciate it so much |
| 17:43.22 | zumbi | tarzeau, there is no debian/manpages, there was a debian/tuxeyes.6 |
| 17:43.30 | jetx | !br |
| 17:43.30 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:43.35 | mhall | tarzeau: >> was what I was using but that's file only |
| 17:43.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we got you a sheep |
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| 17:43.59 | tarzeau | zumbi: you must make one |
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| 17:44.05 | tarzeau | zumbi: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
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| 17:44.08 | Eulex | syllable: what happens when you try to start x? |
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| 17:44.10 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: there's none, you're not even in |
| 17:44.15 | mwe | how do you change the domain name "localhost.localdomain" |
| 17:44.20 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no no we got you a sheep |
| 17:44.24 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: a real sheep |
| 17:44.25 | asg | mwe: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 17:44.31 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: for grill? |
| 17:44.38 | jt80 | can anyone help me with my crashing web browsers since xfree86 upgrade? |
| 17:44.38 | syllable | eulex: more so, i cant find the right packages to install it. im not sure if im missing one |
| 17:44.39 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: if you want |
| 17:44.44 | tarzeau | mjam |
| 17:44.49 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we got you a sheep cause of bub-n-bros |
| 17:44.52 | mhall | tarzeau: tee -a works great |
| 17:44.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but sure you can grill it |
| 17:44.55 | mhall | tarzeau: thanks |
| 17:44.59 | Eulex | syllable: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 17:45.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you grill everything dont you? |
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| 17:45.12 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yeha |
| 17:45.19 | jetx | grilling is good |
| 17:45.34 | zumbi | yeap, tarzeau, i did follow that page :-D |
| 17:45.51 | tarzeau | zumbi: look at apt-get source timemon.app |
| 17:45.55 | tarzeau | zumbi: see debian/manpages and the rules file |
| 17:45.56 | Eulex | syllable: but then you need a desktop environment too... like kde, gnome or xfce4 |
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| 17:46.15 | tarzeau | zumbi: what package are you making? did you contact upstream larting them why they don't write the manual page? |
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| 17:46.30 | jetx | you don't have to install gnome or anything, twm functions well |
| 17:46.42 | mhall | jethro: the reason why I did this is, the script performs critical actions on a production system |
| 17:46.55 | mhall | jethro: normally it shall be automated by cron |
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| 17:47.04 | mhall | jethro: but a user might run it by hand also |
| 17:47.07 | zumbi | tarzeau, i programmed it error.. W: hello-x: binary-without-manpage hellox |
| 17:47.24 | jetx | \o/ |
| 17:47.27 | mhall | jethro: it uses if [ -t 0 ] to check if it's on a terminal |
| 17:47.29 | tarzeau | zumbi: yes because you don't let anything isntall it |
| 17:47.31 | zumbi | tarzeau, i programmed it, it's a hello world in X system |
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| 17:47.37 | mhall | jethro: if it is, it talks to both the user and the log |
| 17:47.40 | tarzeau | zumbi: se the dh_manuapageinstall script manual |
| 17:47.45 | mhall | jethro: otherwise just to the log |
| 17:47.49 | mhall | jethro: make sense? |
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| 17:48.12 | phonic | can I downgrade sid to sarge? |
| 17:48.16 | tarzeau | phonic: no |
| 17:48.21 | mofino | phonic, I wouldn't. |
| 17:48.21 | jetx | it's called reinstall |
| 17:48.25 | jetx | !downgrade |
| 17:48.25 | dpkg | [downgrade] not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 17:48.27 | phonic | okey :-( |
| 17:48.44 | mofino | phonic, why downgrade? |
| 17:48.55 | mofino | Did you make a mistake and use unstable instead of testing? |
| 17:49.15 | sparr_ | i cant imagine how anyone can NOT use unstable for a desktop |
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| 17:49.19 | sparr_ | stable for a server, sure |
| 17:49.28 | mofino | sparr_, yeah agreed. |
| 17:49.31 | sparr_ | but using testing for a desktop and youll wait months or years for new software |
| 17:49.34 | jetx | i give remote users sarge |
| 17:49.37 | phonic | cuz an app which uses pthread is crashing and it seems like pthread itself is crashing |
| 17:49.40 | mofino | sparr_, well back when woody was out, testing for a server was sane |
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| 17:49.59 | cusco | !reinstall |
| 17:49.59 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install |
| 17:49.59 | phonic | and I can't find a way to test another version of libptherad |
| 17:50.31 | kamaraju | Does 'shared object' and 'shared library' and 'dynamic library' mean the same thing? or is there any difference between them? |
| 17:50.35 | mofino | Another typical queation, what's the hold up on kde 3.4? :) |
| 17:50.45 | jetx | !wir |
| 17:50.45 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 17:50.50 | mofino | heh |
| 17:50.52 | asg | mofino: /topic #debian-kde |
| 17:50.57 | mofino | Thanks asg |
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| 17:51.15 | mofino | Perfect. |
| 17:51.32 | mofino | Packaging is such a huge job. |
| 17:51.34 | cusco | !recover |
| 17:51.34 | dpkg | recover is probably http://recover.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:51.49 | trouble | does someone know if vsftpd is supposed to run as root? |
| 17:51.56 | jetx | i nstalled it once |
| 17:52.03 | mofino | Run as root or login as root? |
| 17:52.06 | valdyn | kamaraju: no difference |
| 17:52.10 | trouble | run as root |
| 17:52.13 | robert | ugh now i need to find the mod_cgid for apache 2 :) |
| 17:52.20 | jt80 | can anyone help with broken web browsers after xfree upgrade? |
| 17:52.21 | tarzeau | mofino: no it's not |
| 17:52.24 | trouble | thought it'll run as nobody |
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| 17:52.27 | kamaraju | valdyn: thanks for the clarification |
| 17:52.27 | Seb | what's a standard text editor that understands utf8 ? |
| 17:52.50 | valdyn | kamaraju: dynamic library also is a misnomer, it should be "dynamically linked library" |
| 17:52.51 | jetx | probably vi but it's a mystery to me |
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| 17:53.18 | asg | Seb: vim should |
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| 17:53.28 | tarzeau | Seb: textedit.app |
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| 17:55.26 | Seb | ok, thanks guy |
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| 17:56.29 | xaphod | help, mkinitrd tells me my kernel doesn't have LVM support (i've told it to use root as /dev/root_volume_group/root_logical_volume), but it does ! (I just MADE root_logical_volume a second ago) |
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| 17:58.18 | sepski | xaphod, your kernel probably dont have it, that's why you add lvm modules to your initrd in order to have root on lvm |
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| 17:59.25 | xaphod | sepski: i have lvm2 support compiled in. |
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| 17:59.38 | xaphod | I can check /proc/config.gz and I see it's =y |
| 17:59.44 | sepski | xaphod, custom kernel ? then i have no clue |
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| 17:59.54 | shizz | is xmms is lightest audio player for debian? |
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| 18:00.06 | xaphod | ah, this is Debian bug #293508 |
| 18:00.08 | xaphod | crap |
| 18:00.12 | kamaraju | I am using xchat for this. My screen is filled with who joined, who left, who quit etc., This actually hides all the interesting conversations. Is there any way to filter out these messages? I can use another irc client if it offers that feature. Any ideas? |
| 18:00.32 | sepski | shizz something non x would be lighter one must assume |
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| 18:01.11 | Eulex | shizz: I recommend mp3blaster or using mpg123/ogg123 to play files |
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| 18:01.21 | martin_h | kamaraju:right klick on the bottom channel-tab->#channel |
| 18:01.35 | mwe | should /etc/hostname contain just the hostname or the FQDN? |
| 18:01.38 | Jimmymaniac | shizz: i use cplay, ncurses interface for several players |
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| 18:02.18 | kamaraju | martin_h: Ah! that worked. Thanks |
| 18:02.28 | jasoncohen | martin_h, huh, cool- i didn't realize you could do that in xchat |
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| 18:02.36 | sepski | mwe just hotsname |
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| 18:02.50 | martin_h | no problem :) |
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| 18:03.16 | mwe | sepski: thanks |
| 18:03.34 | xaphod | For root-on-lvm2 i need an initrd image (with lv*/pv* stuff etc.) to successfully load root, even if i have lvm2 support compiled right into the kernel, right? |
| 18:04.12 | sepski | xaphod, why not just keep everything in the kernel if you compile it anyway, or if you want modules, just have lvm in the initrd |
| 18:04.34 | valdyn | kamaraju: try /ignore joins parts quits |
| 18:05.04 | xaphod | sepski: because even if i have everything in the kernel (which i do!) I *still* need an initrd that has the scripting to MOUNT the lvm! |
| 18:05.44 | jasoncohen | xaphod, btw, why use LVM for your root fs? |
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| 18:07.28 | xaphod | jasoncohen: to use snapshots |
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| 18:07.59 | sepski | xaphod, put your lvm in the initrd also then ? |
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| 18:08.17 | EdwardTLS | running debian on a v20z opteron or a intel xeon 3Ghz what will be faster as a java app server... |
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| 18:09.21 | xaphod | sepski: that's what i'm trying to do ! mkintrd has a bug |
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| 18:09.39 | xeroig | i have debian testing. which is better with apt-get: upgrade or dist-upgrade? note that i haven't run apt-get upgrade since the release of sarge. |
| 18:10.01 | valdyn | xeroig: man apt-get |
| 18:10.16 | xeroig | valdyn: yeah, but i don't know which one to use |
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| 18:10.26 | xeroig | it mentions both of them |
| 18:10.26 | JoshH | xeroig: dist-upgrade is to upgrade from one release to another |
| 18:10.47 | xeroig | hmm |
| 18:10.49 | JoshH | so if you have testing and want to use testing, then don't dist-upgrade |
| 18:10.56 | kamaraju | xeroig: for testing, upgrade is better than dist-upgrade |
| 18:10.56 | valdyn | xeroig: "upgrade" is safer. |
| 18:11.04 | xeroig | ok |
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| 18:11.05 | valdyn | xeroig: but none is "better" |
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| 18:11.26 | xeroig | but the apt howto says that dist-upgrade handles dependencies better? |
| 18:11.39 | xeroig | i mean, if there are new dependencies |
| 18:11.41 | valdyn | xeroig: you should read the manpage |
| 18:11.50 | xeroig | valdyn: i did |
| 18:11.59 | valdyn | xeroig: then what is not clear? |
| 18:12.52 | xeroig | valdyn: both the man page and howto say that dist-up handles newer dependencies better than just upgrade, but you're saying that upgrade is safer |
| 18:12.56 | xeroig | so im not sure |
| 18:13.24 | valdyn | xeroig: im sure the word "better" does not even exist in the manpage |
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| 18:13.34 | xeroig | valdyn: "smarter" |
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| 18:13.53 | xeroig | "smart conflict resolution system" |
| 18:13.56 | valdyn | xeroig: upgrade is not allowed to change status of a package. thats a limitation, its not dumb. |
| 18:14.25 | xeroig | ok, i was wrong with the sematics. but you get my point. |
| 18:14.43 | valdyn | xeroig: yea, hence, due to this limitation it is safer. |
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| 18:15.33 | valdyn | xeroig: using a stable debian release the result of using either will be identical usually. |
| 18:16.07 | xeroig | "an even cleaner solution is to use dist-upgrade" thats what the howto says in reference to upgrade |
| 18:16.31 | exobyte | can a wireless network be encrypted, but without requiring authentication? This would be in addition to pptp |
| 18:16.36 | valdyn | xeroig: clean yes, safe, no ) |
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| 18:17.07 | xeroig | valdyn: how? |
| 18:17.12 | valdyn | xeroig: but see above, these 2 commands dont make a difference in stable ( usually ) |
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| 18:17.44 | jasoncohen | dist-upgrade isn't just to upgade releases. In fact, the sarge release notes say to use aptitude dist-upgrade for that |
| 18:17.57 | valdyn | xeroig: a new dependency could ( outside debian/stable ) require a package to be removed. dist-upgrade would do that, upgrade not. |
| 18:18.01 | jasoncohen | apt-get dist-upgrade is useful on testing when a package has a new dependency |
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| 18:18.12 | xeroig | hmm |
| 18:18.34 | jasoncohen | if you run apt-get upgrade and it shows a package being held back it means there's a new dependency |
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| 18:19.03 | jasoncohen | if you run apt-get dist-upgrade you'll notice that the package will be upgraded and a new package will be installed |
| 18:19.14 | valdyn | xeroig: but new dependencies dont happen in stable, unless they fix a *serious* bug |
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| 18:19.14 | xeroig | got it, so if i want no packages to be removed, use upgrade, if i want new dependencies to be included, dist-upgrade |
| 18:19.20 | jasoncohen | dist-upgrade is "more dangerous" because it may uninstall packages- upgrade won't |
| 18:19.31 | xeroig | ok |
| 18:19.43 | xeroig | valdyn: but i'm using testing, heh |
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| 18:20.03 | jasoncohen | but that doesn't mean dist-upgrade is bad- it just means you should be careful when upgrading and always check to see if anything is to be removed |
| 18:20.12 | xeroig | ah ok |
| 18:20.21 | valdyn | xeroig: then you will have to watch carefully on each dist-upgrade if a package you need gets removed. |
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| 18:20.33 | xeroig | yeah |
| 18:20.37 | jasoncohen | or if you want to be safe you can run apt-get upgrade and if you see something being held back then run apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:20.51 | xeroig | yeah |
| 18:21.03 | jasoncohen | but in the last week i had to run dist-upgrade twice on testing |
| 18:21.04 | exobyte | is there a java pptp client? |
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| 18:21.19 | xeroig | mmm |
| 18:21.24 | frog | hello, anyone here use sarge? |
| 18:21.28 | xeroig | ok, thanks all |
| 18:21.32 | xeroig | jasoncohen and valdyn |
| 18:21.33 | jasoncohen | one was from marillat and the other from testing main |
| 18:21.38 | jasoncohen | np xeroig |
| 18:21.40 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 18:21.40 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:21.45 | frog | :) |
| 18:21.57 | frog | does it have xen reiser4 and lvm? |
| 18:22.10 | jasoncohen | frog, yes, many people here use sarge |
| 18:22.46 | valdyn | !info kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 sarge |
| 18:22.55 | valdyn | !info xen sarge |
| 18:22.58 | dpkg | kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4: (Kernel patches for Reiser4 FS), section devel, is optional. Version: 20040813-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 831 kB, Installed size: 849 kB |
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| 18:23.19 | frog | but they're not installed o-o-t-b? |
| 18:23.21 | InitMass | i forced myself to make a proverb about backups. "better to be able to hiccup a backup than see the files fly by and cry" |
| 18:23.33 | valdyn | frog: it has the reiser4 tools, for a kernel i would try to look elsewhere. |
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| 18:24.01 | xeroig | apt maintains a log of upgrades and such, right? so that i can know if some packages was dropped due to new dependencies |
| 18:24.07 | valdyn | !tell frog about search |
| 18:24.17 | kamaraju | My isp restricts the amount of stuff that I download and upload through net. If I exceed this limit, they will charge humungous amounts of money. So, I am wondering, if I leave the #debian channel open 24/7, roughly, how much bandwidth do I consume? |
| 18:24.19 | valdyn | xeroig: no it does not. |
| 18:24.36 | xeroig | is there a way to tell it to? |
| 18:25.01 | cahoot | xeroig: aptitude does |
| 18:25.06 | xeroig | ah |
| 18:25.13 | xeroig | ok |
| 18:25.15 | frog | it plays mp3s and video o-o-t-b? |
| 18:25.15 | xeroig | ty |
| 18:25.18 | valdyn | xeroig: "apt-get update 2>&1 | tee logfile" |
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| 18:25.54 | cahoot | xeroig: IIRC aptitude is the recommended tool for sarge/testing |
| 18:25.54 | jasoncohen | cron-apt automatically keeps a log in /var/log/cron-apt/log |
| 18:26.19 | jasoncohen | cahoot, for every day upgrades? |
| 18:26.30 | anubis_EOA | can anyone tell me when you use postfix's saslpasswd2 command on an sasldb2 database file, should the database file size change?? |
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| 18:27.00 | frog | Because, I'm looking at Fedora 4 on the web and I *don't* like what I see! |
| 18:27.15 | valdyn | frog: read the release notes, try debian. |
| 18:27.20 | frog | it plays mp3s and video o-o-t-b? |
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| 18:27.28 | jasoncohen | i still don't understand how aptitude works. on my etch box aptitude dist-upgrade wants to install amarok, apache2, and mysql and it wants to uninstall mysql 4.1 even when i run without recommends |
| 18:27.29 | frog | out of the box |
| 18:27.32 | Eulex | frog: yeah |
| 18:27.39 | frog | what video player? |
| 18:27.43 | frog | and DVDs? |
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| 18:28.05 | jasoncohen | why would aptitude -dist-upgrade --without-recommends ask to install a bunch of new packages and to replace mysql 4.1 with mysql 4.0;24? |
| 18:28.16 | frog | but I do want Xen and LVM out of the box |
| 18:28.19 | frog | and Reiser 4 too |
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| 18:28.21 | jasoncohen | aptitude dist-upgrade says i'm up to date |
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| 18:29.02 | cahoot | jasoncohen: you don't toggle between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 18:29.32 | bahamat | does anyone know some good network benchmarking utilities? I have gig switches, gig nics and cat6 cable, but I can't get anywhere near pushing a gig through it |
| 18:29.33 | valdyn | frog: debian does not really support reiser4 |
| 18:29.41 | frog | why |
| 18:29.52 | frog | and what about SElinux? |
| 18:29.59 | jasoncohen | cahoot, i use apt-get for regular upgrades but i don't understand why aptitude dist-upgrade wants to install 33 new packages that are not dependencies of anything else and in addition wants to replace a newer version of mysql with an old version. |
| 18:30.03 | valdyn | valdyn: b/c its a filesystem for suicidal ricers and fs developers. |
| 18:30.13 | valdyn | frog: b/c its a filesystem for suicidal ricers and fs developers. |
| 18:30.19 | bahamat | the best I can get is about 1/4th gig |
| 18:30.20 | asg | frog: you can compile a vanilla kernel and apply patches if you wish. Etch should support SELinux out of the box. |
| 18:30.23 | frog | "ricers"? |
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| 18:30.31 | frog | Etch is...? |
| 18:30.38 | valdyn | !etch |
| 18:30.39 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
| 18:30.42 | asg | frog: the next version of debian |
| 18:30.51 | frog | so how come fedora has these? |
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| 18:31.07 | bahamat | frog: because somebody applied the patches and compiled it |
| 18:31.09 | cahoot | jasoncohen: I doubt it's wise to switch to and fro between apt-get and aptitude - might be wrong though |
| 18:31.37 | frog | er yeah :) how come no one did that for debian? |
| 18:31.42 | jasoncohen | cahoot, here's what aptitude dist-upgrade --without-recommends shows http://pastebin.ca/14538 |
| 18:31.48 | bahamat | frog: lots of people did |
| 18:31.49 | valdyn | frog: fedora has a _lot_ of bleeding edge stuff, that does not mean it works well or is stable. |
| 18:31.54 | bahamat | frog: and you can too |
| 18:32.06 | asg | frog: because there isn't enough userland policy support for SE for a debian kernel to come with it. |
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| 18:32.13 | frog | but I DON'T want to fiddle with -everything- |
| 18:32.22 | cahoot | jasoncohen: I'm of no use in that matter |
| 18:32.22 | asg | frog: then go run OpenBSD |
| 18:32.24 | jim | frog: you can do it yourself if you want |
| 18:32.27 | sepski | frog, then dont use reiserfs |
| 18:32.30 | jasoncohen | perhaps i should post a bug report |
| 18:32.33 | shizz | how do I remove directories via terminal? |
| 18:32.38 | asg | shizz: rm(1) |
| 18:32.41 | sepski | shingouz, man rm |
| 18:32.41 | eri-- | can i mount freebsd partitions on fresh installed with DEBIAN 3.0 rc4 CD |
| 18:32.48 | shizz | asg, with the brackets? |
| 18:32.56 | jim | shizz: rmdir, -and-... |
| 18:32.58 | asg | shizz: no, (1) indicates the section number of the manpage |
| 18:33.14 | shizz | asg i see |
| 18:33.20 | jasoncohen | frog, so you don't want to use fedora because there's no mp3 or dvd support out of the box? |
| 18:33.25 | kamaraju | frog: if you do not want to fiddle around, then I guess you should what is offered. |
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| 18:33.33 | frog | um that's the tip of it :) |
| 18:33.44 | jasoncohen | frog, you're right on the mp3 stuff but even on debian you have to install libdvdcss2 to have meaningful DVD support |
| 18:33.46 | valdyn | frog: why do you think your need reiser4? |
| 18:33.50 | frog | they're moving towards wholesale corporateness |
| 18:34.01 | frog | and i Really Don't Like that |
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| 18:34.08 | GmLB | is there any project that exists to keep two directories on different servers in sync with one another on a persist basis? Like DB replication but with filesystems? |
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| 18:34.15 | eri-- | can i mount freebsd partitions on fresh installed with DEBIAN 3.0 rc4 CD??? |
| 18:34.16 | bahamat | frog: well there isn't any for debian either |
| 18:34.17 | asg | GmLB: unison |
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| 18:34.21 | asg | GmLB: rsync |
| 18:34.29 | GmLB | asg: rsync isn't persistent. |
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| 18:34.41 | asg | GmLB: what do you mean by persistent then? |
| 18:34.46 | frog | er - sarge wont play songs or DVDs? |
| 18:34.49 | shizz | jim, i used rmdir and this is what i got "rmdir: `gartoon/`: Directory not empty" |
| 18:34.52 | GmLB | asg: Like SQL replication |
| 18:34.58 | valdyn | changes trigger and rsync ( that's what he needs ) |
| 18:35.02 | jim | shizz: you should think about taking a basic unix course... at the very least, you should look at "ls /bin" and pick a few things you see there and run man on them |
| 18:35.04 | valdyn | changes trigger an rsync ( that's what he needs ) |
| 18:35.07 | bahamat | frog: not dvd's |
| 18:35.12 | asg | GmLB: oh, you mean realtime. |
| 18:35.18 | jasoncohen | frog, if you want to play encrypted DVDs you'll need libdvdcss2 from marillat- just like you need to install it manually on *every other* distro |
| 18:35.18 | GmLB | asg: Correct. |
| 18:35.26 | GmLB | asg: and ideally a non-kernel level thing. |
| 18:35.27 | frog | fedora have removed lots of -basic- things |
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| 18:35.32 | jasoncohen | frog, as far as music goes, there's mp3 and ogg support ootb |
| 18:35.34 | jim | shizz: ok, so you want to cd in there and remove what's there\ |
| 18:35.36 | asg | GmLB: what valdyn said or run rsync from cron every minute |
| 18:35.38 | frog | like GNUChess, for fucks sake |
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| 18:35.49 | frog | and Gnumeric |
| 18:35.50 | Eulex | frog: to play dvd's, just add an unofficial apt source and install mplayer |
| 18:35.53 | GmLB | asg: there has to be a better product |
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| 18:36.12 | frog | do you guys realise that everyone is not online all the time? |
| 18:36.19 | jasoncohen | frog, you just have to do it once |
| 18:36.20 | GmLB | asg: what if its two directional- suppose someone deletes something on ONE of the boxes... |
| 18:36.28 | liran | how do i open/close my xserver for remote connections (port 6000)? |
| 18:36.30 | shizz | jim, the dir Im trying to delete is protected, from nautilus i dont have permission to delete it - and i figured "su" in term and then i could remove it, but it still doesn't remove..is there something else im supposed to do? |
| 18:36.32 | eri-- | can i mount freebsd partitions on fresh installed with DEBIAN 3.0 rc4 CD |
| 18:36.33 | GmLB | asg: How would you reconcile that... |
| 18:36.34 | frog | thats missing the point |
| 18:36.35 | jasoncohen | frog, i installed mplayer & libdvdcss2 from a netinstall with the rest of the system |
| 18:36.38 | frog | a DVD is a -product- |
| 18:36.39 | eri-- | anybody?????????? |
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| 18:37.01 | frog | of course i know i can tamper and get it working |
| 18:37.05 | asg | GmLB: well, a kernel level GFS would be nifty, but you don't want that. Or something that multiplexed fs calls. |
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| 18:37.15 | jasoncohen | frog, you'll want to add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:37.16 | frog | but then you shouldn't call it a Release |
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| 18:37.33 | jasoncohen | frog, then apt-get update; apt-get install mplayer libdvdcss2 |
| 18:37.33 | jelly | frog: that sounds like the usual course of action for a Linux system. |
| 18:37.37 | frog | er jason: i dont HAVE debian |
| 18:37.39 | GmLB | asg: I want to find a user-level gfs ;-) |
| 18:37.46 | jim | shizz: rmdir will only delete -empty- directories... so: first you have to remove everything inside the dir, then you can remove the dir itself |
| 18:37.46 | jasoncohen | frog, so- why are you here? |
| 18:37.46 | valdyn | GmLB: try google or http://cgi.linuxfocus.org/cgi-bin/lftalkback?anum=199&lang=en |
| 18:37.48 | frog | im considering which distro to get next |
| 18:37.51 | webuadata | I installed debian on my laptop and it can't read the mouse, any reason why? |
| 18:37.53 | martin_h | liran: -nolisten tcp |
| 18:38.01 | shizz | jim, there's no way around that ? |
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| 18:38.06 | frog | im disliking what they're doig |
| 18:38.20 | eri-- | anybody?????????? |
| 18:38.22 | eri-- | can i mount freebsd partitions on fresh installed with DEBIAN 3.0 rc4 CD |
| 18:38.24 | jasoncohen | frog, who's they? |
| 18:38.26 | frog | (fedora) |
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| 18:38.28 | scarynetworkguy | webuadata: Becuase it doesn't have eyes? |
| 18:38.33 | jim | frog: debian isn't perfect... it definitely isn't exactly what any one person wants... |
| 18:38.37 | liran | martin_h, how do you mean? |
| 18:38.37 | scarynetworkguy | !tell eri-- about repeat |
| 18:38.41 | sepski | frog: debian GNU/Linus is not for bleeding edge stuff that may or may not break, it's for stuff that is dependable. if you want bleeding edge use etch or sid. |
| 18:38.41 | asg | eri--: if you install a real 2.4.18 kernel instead of the bf24 one, yes, I expect you can. |
| 18:38.44 | frog | but you guys are simply omitting -too- muhc |
| 18:38.44 | valdyn | !tell eri-- about repeat |
| 18:38.47 | kamaraju | frog, any distro you go will involve some kind of fiddling around. Like it or not. |
| 18:38.49 | jim | (when taken as a whole) |
| 18:38.50 | sepski | s/s/x/ |
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| 18:39.02 | scarynetworkguy | frog: What is not in Debian tha you want? |
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| 18:39.03 | eri-- | asg: what do u mean by real kernel? |
| 18:39.06 | sepski | frog, have you looked at the packagelist ? :) |
| 18:39.07 | samuel | frog, what is debian omitting? |
| 18:39.12 | frog | i thought debian was the community distr |
| 18:39.12 | valdyn | frog: omitting? like what? debian is not the _largest_ distro by far? |
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| 18:39.15 | jim | frog: you absolutely have a right to think that |
| 18:39.16 | samuel | there is like 17000 programs |
| 18:39.17 | eri-- | asg: i dont have much expericen with linux |
| 18:39.25 | jasoncohen | frog, you've got to be kidding! |
| 18:39.28 | Eulex | frog: do you think they wanted to omit things like mplayer? |
| 18:39.37 | frog | well why did they? |
| 18:39.38 | jasoncohen | frog, omitting too much...debian has nearly 16,000 packages in sarge |
| 18:39.39 | Eulex | frog: it's because of license problems |
| 18:39.40 | asg | eri--: the 2.4.18-bf24 or 2.2.20-idepci kernels on your woody installer are install kernels. After installation, you need to install a kernel that has extra fs support. |
| 18:39.45 | frog | er yeah - but no xen |
| 18:39.47 | frog | lvm |
| 18:39.48 | frog | reiser4 |
| 18:39.52 | frog | maybe gfs? |
| 18:39.52 | jasoncohen | frog, that's nearly 10x the size of fedora's base distro |
| 18:39.55 | asg | eri--: also, why are you using woody (our old release) and not the new sarge? |
| 18:39.57 | valdyn | frog: lvm is there |
| 18:40.05 | webuadata | Is their a special setting for a mouse on a laptop? |
| 18:40.08 | eri-- | asg: so i have to recompile a kernel right?? |
| 18:40.10 | jasoncohen | frog, i can give you a list of a bunch of packages i use that are not in official fedora repos |
| 18:40.11 | frog | these are things I want |
| 18:40.12 | valdyn | haha, gfs |
| 18:40.17 | buffalo | how do i install 2.6 kernel from the boot prompt on debian-sparc with sarge netinst? i tried linux26 and bf26, neither works |
| 18:40.17 | asg | eri--: no, just install a packaged one |
| 18:40.22 | jasoncohen | frog, NO ONE packages mplayer at the moment because of legal issues |
| 18:40.29 | frog | oh ok xine then |
| 18:40.30 | jasoncohen | except perhaps mandriva |
| 18:40.33 | asg | buffalo: check the release notes and install guide for that platform |
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| 18:40.41 | eri-- | asg: u mean activate the module?? |
| 18:40.48 | jasoncohen | frog, debian has xine |
| 18:40.49 | jim | frog: so when you go order cheezeburgers, you must say things like "hold the onions, extra domatoes, extra lettuice, easy on the mayo, cook it well-done, toast the bun" |
| 18:40.50 | eri-- | kernel one |
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| 18:41.00 | asg | eri--: no, I mean install a kernel that has the module for ufs; the installer kernels probably don't. |
| 18:41.00 | eri-- | asg: sorry but i come from bsd :P |
| 18:41.04 | jasoncohen | frog, it's in main ... apt-get install xine-ui |
| 18:41.04 | jim | frog: I often do myself... |
| 18:41.05 | frog | so does it play DVDs? |
| 18:41.17 | bahamat | jasoncohen: marillat does |
| 18:41.17 | asg | eri--: yeah, I envy the lack of a GENERIC in linux. |
| 18:41.18 | valdyn | !tell frog about marillat |
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| 18:41.22 | frog | since its not a corporate distro, the licensing crap is not there? |
| 18:41.29 | jasoncohen | forced, yes- it's better for DVDs than mplayer for a desktop user as it has full menu support |
| 18:41.31 | jim | frog: playing dvds is legally problematic |
| 18:41.35 | hcy | is there a way i can use apt to check all the installed packages and see if any of the files from them are missing, and if so, replace them? i deleted my /usr/local/bin directory by mistake |
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| 18:41.40 | jelly | frog: why would you want reiser4 anyway? ;-) |
| 18:41.42 | jasoncohen | bahamat, i mean the official distribution packages |
| 18:41.46 | valdyn | frog: using debian is legal, even in the US, so the licensing crap _is_ there. |
| 18:41.50 | frog | i read an article abouti it |
| 18:41.51 | asg | eri--: anyway, you should probably install our newest release (sarge) (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 18:41.57 | bahamat | jasoncohen: then that's not "NO ONE" that's just "debian" |
| 18:41.58 | eri-- | asg: ok, i'll do what i can playing around, thx anyway |
| 18:42.05 | jasoncohen | bahamat, true, sorry :) |
| 18:42.05 | asg | eri--: you're welcome |
| 18:42.13 | frog | are folks from the dev team here? |
| 18:42.14 | martin_h | liran: ive "exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp" in my /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 18:42.14 | drasko | hi all. phpinfo() dont give anything. still, php works. How? |
| 18:42.18 | hcy | is there a way i can use apt to check all the installed packages and see if any of the files from them are missing, and if so, replace them? i deleted my /usr/local/bin directory by mistake |
| 18:42.21 | jasoncohen | bahamat, well, debian, fedora and many other distros |
| 18:42.24 | eri-- | asg: i dont have that fast internet connection, it will delay other 2 days |
| 18:42.28 | scarynetworkguy | frog: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#policy # There is the answer to all your questions. |
| 18:42.31 | asg | drasko: it may have been disabled for security reasons in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 18:42.32 | jim | frog: there are about 1000 members |
| 18:42.36 | valdyn | hcy: debian does not put files there. |
| 18:42.37 | eri-- | asg: and i need to learn smth fast :D |
| 18:42.41 | frog | in this # ? |
| 18:42.44 | jim | they're probably not all here |
| 18:42.45 | sepski | frog: if there is something you find missing in debian, why dony you package and support it ? it's a community effort after all |
| 18:42.47 | hcy | valdyn: oh, good :) |
| 18:42.49 | samuel | frog, its probably some copyrighted packages that are not included in the main section of the distro |
| 18:42.49 | liran | martin_h, and if i do want it to listen then i omit the -nolisten tcp? |
| 18:42.52 | bahamat | jasoncohen: yes, but you and I both know that all those other distros don't matter. Only debian matters ;-) |
| 18:42.59 | jasoncohen | :) |
| 18:42.59 | jim | probably not even most of them |
| 18:43.00 | samuel | frog, but you can get them easily enough |
| 18:43.07 | asg | eri--: ah, well, you can try installing it. Once you have installed the OS, just type 'apt-get install kernel-image' (then pick and install a suitable image for your architecture) |
| 18:43.07 | frog | its not just that |
| 18:43.13 | frog | for something like Xen and Selinux |
| 18:43.17 | exobyte | How can I make dnsmasq resolve ALL requests to one local ip? |
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| 18:43.23 | frog | there's a lot of integration with the rest of the system reqd |
| 18:43.30 | martin_h | liran:perhaps there's a better way if you want it more dynamic. ive always disabled it |
| 18:43.32 | jasoncohen | frog, don't criticize debian for not having enough packages. i switched from mandriva and decided not to use fedora because of debian's truly excellent package selection |
| 18:43.42 | jasoncohen | and apt can kick yum's ass any day |
| 18:43.46 | frog | i can't just jump in add some files and pakcage them |
| 18:43.49 | eri-- | asg: thx again, i'll manage |
| 18:43.49 | cor3 | Whereis my nptl? |
| 18:43.54 | eri-- | bye |
| 18:43.56 | bahamat | frog: and why not? |
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| 18:43.57 | Eulex | frog: if you want selinux, go over to fedora where you belong |
| 18:43.58 | asg | frog: then use Fedora's kernel with Debian (you may need to port the userland tools or compile them in /usr/local) |
| 18:44.14 | Eulex | asg: that's a solution too |
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| 18:44.29 | scarynetworkguy | frog: Xen is too new to be in Sarge and SELinux has *serious* patent issues. Educate yourself before bitching and moaning. |
| 18:44.45 | scarynetworkguy | !ops frog is a advocacy troll. |
| 18:44.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: frog is a advocacy troll. |
| 18:44.51 | cor3 | I have udev and hal but no nptl? Might have to jump back to gentoo |
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| 18:45.17 | asg | cor3: apt-get install libc-i686 |
| 18:45.20 | asg | cor3: apt-get install libc6-i686 |
| 18:45.21 | frog | scary: what patent issues? (no, I dont know about this, I confess) |
| 18:45.24 | drasko | asg, I am looking at php.ini. Where to find this line? |
| 18:45.28 | jim | frog: bottom line... you can get what you want, but you have to go thru some work to do it |
| 18:45.37 | jasoncohen | cor3, apt-cache search nptl would have told you that |
| 18:45.47 | sepski | frog acording to selinux faq selinux is a research prototype, not something you'd want in a stable release. |
| 18:45.47 | asg | drasko: grep for phpinfo, if it's there, you should find it. Also, check /var/log/apache/error* |
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| 18:46.14 | jim | cor3: there is nothing and no one stopping you from jumpping anywhere you want to |
| 18:46.25 | juanmals | Is the debian sarge dvd avaliable in any ftp? i've been looking around and it seems to have been removed from all... |
| 18:46.33 | zumbi | tarzeau, i started over with the process but with timemon.app as example, and now it works well :-D thanks |
| 18:46.44 | jasoncohen | sepski, unless you have a very lax definition of stable...cough fedora cough |
| 18:47.03 | frog | whats wrong with se in fedora? |
| 18:47.27 | scarynetworkguy | frog: Google. And ffs learn how to use tab completion |
| 18:47.42 | sepski | jasoncohen, fedora is not claimed to be stable afaik, redhat enterprise linux is redhats notion of a stable release |
| 18:47.45 | Eulex | frog: it's alpha and has patent issues |
| 18:47.56 | jasoncohen | juanmals, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ DVDs are available for i386 and powerpc in iso & bittorrent |
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| 18:48.27 | jasoncohen | juanmals, but it's probably faster to jigdo the DVD |
| 18:48.28 | bartekp | hi |
| 18:48.42 | scarynetworkguy | sepski: SELinux is more than ready to be in a stable release. But it will never be in Debian because of patent problems. |
| 18:48.48 | jasoncohen | you can get the jigdo files for all archs here http://www.nl.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 18:48.53 | frog | you mean its patented by redhat? |
| 18:48.58 | sepski | scarynetworkguy, the i think the selinux faq needs updating :) |
| 18:48.59 | asg | scarynetworkguy: manoj is working on getting it in for etch |
| 18:49.04 | scarynetworkguy | sepski: That faq is really outdated. |
| 18:49.11 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Really? |
| 18:49.13 | jim | juanmals: one thing, you don't need a dvd image if you have a nice fat internet connection... you can install over the net |
| 18:49.13 | jim | frog: you too: there is nothing and no one stopping you from jumpping anywhere you want to |
| 18:49.18 | drasko | asg, File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico |
| 18:49.24 | asg | scarynetworkguy: that's what his site says, last I checked. |
| 18:49.32 | asg | drasko: irrelevant, look for php errors. |
| 18:49.35 | Eulex | juanmals: ever heard of netinstall? |
| 18:49.43 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Cool. I hope he can pull it off as I'd love to be wrong on this one. |
| 18:49.55 | asg | scarynetworkguy: this issue with SE is simply decent policy support. |
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| 18:50.23 | Eulex | juanmals: d/l 105mb and then it can d/l and install whatever you'd need |
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| 18:50.28 | asg | scarynetworkguy: the Fedora people have done some work but there is just a ton left before the full system will be worth using (except for special daemons, etc.) |
| 18:50.32 | webuadata | How do i edit my mouse configuration? |
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| 18:50.56 | xaphod | hey - i think it worked ! I think i have / mounted on lvm2! How can I tell though? mount just says the partition is mounted, how can i see it's using LVM? |
| 18:51.04 | jasoncohen | juanmals, i would also recommend a netinstall if it's only on one system. You only have to download a 128 MB iso and then you only download the packages you want. You can even add a marillat source and install mplayer, libdvdcss2, transcode etc. from the initial install |
| 18:51.12 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Well yeah. That is true. I have it running on a couple of boxes using the unofficial stuff and really like it. But it does have problems. |
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| 18:51.27 | jim | juanmals: you can start with two floppy images and end up with everything you want, never getting a cd or dvd image |
| 18:51.28 | scarynetworkguy | asg: But they are very limited on purpose type boxes. |
| 18:51.32 | scarynetworkguy | frog: http://lwn.net/Articles/2376/ |
| 18:51.35 | frog | so its patented by redhat? |
| 18:51.36 | juanmals | I know |
| 18:51.50 | scarynetworkguy | frog: Read that link. |
| 18:51.56 | asg | scarynetworkguy: right, that's probably the typical usage pattern for a while. |
| 18:52.01 | Eulex | bah... patents... like we didn't need more of em |
| 18:52.02 | xaphod | !seen wyzard |
| 18:52.02 | dpkg | wyzard is currently on #debian (17h 34m 56s). Has said a total of 12878 messages. Is idling for 16h 39m 3s |
| 18:52.10 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Yeah. For sure. |
| 18:52.11 | webuadata | I need to edit my mouse configuratioN!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 18:52.28 | asg | !drxx webuadata |
| 18:52.28 | dpkg | webuadata: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 18:52.38 | jim | webuadata: oh my GOD! your mouse configuration?????????? |
| 18:52.38 | xaphod | anyone know how you tell if you've mounted root (/) on LVM? |
| 18:52.39 | jasoncohen | xaphod, because the mount line would be different. a regular ext3 partition would look like /dev/hda8 on / type ext3 whereas an LVM parition would look like /dev/mapper/biglvm-1 on / type ext3 |
| 18:52.45 | xaphod | oh :( |
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| 18:52.46 | scarynetworkguy | asg: I would *hate* to have to try to run it on a desktop. |
| 18:52.46 | xaphod | bummer :( |
| 18:52.49 | scarynetworkguy | *shudder* |
| 18:52.50 | asg | scarynetworkguy: also, a hardened toolchain and libc would be cool also. |
| 18:52.51 | jelly | I want to buy some CHEESE!!!1 |
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| 18:53.04 | asg | scarynetworkguy: yeah, no kidding. |
| 18:53.16 | jim | xaphod: mount |
| 18:53.22 | sepski | xaphod, why you need snapshot your / anyway i dont understand |
| 18:53.29 | frog | hmmm |
| 18:53.30 | asg | scarynetworkguy: grsecurity is pretty good also |
| 18:53.32 | frog | very complicated |
| 18:53.36 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Indeed it would. |
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| 18:53.44 | frog | how can something OPEN SOURCE have patent issues? |
| 18:53.49 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Yeah. I've had good luck with that also. |
| 18:53.49 | xaphod | jasoncohen: but I ran pvcreate, lvcreate, and made my FS on the LVM device .... how could /dev/sda2 still have survived as a normal partition?! |
| 18:53.53 | drasko | asg, problem solved, thanks for all the help. |
| 18:53.59 | asg | frog: open source != software libre |
| 18:54.02 | asg | drasko: you're welcome |
| 18:54.05 | webuadata | heh |
| 18:54.07 | webuadata | it can't find the package |
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| 18:54.15 | prog | hi guys, I must express my feelings from Gentoo - the system I have tried several minutes ago. "I am back at Debian side." Gentoo is wasting of time, CPU and other hardware stuff energy! |
| 18:54.16 | asg | webuadata: are you running debian? |
| 18:54.20 | webuadata | yes |
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| 18:54.22 | webuadata | i installedkde and everything |
| 18:54.27 | Eulex | prog: wb |
| 18:54.31 | luulis | !nickometer webuadata |
| 18:54.31 | dpkg | 'webuadata' is 0.000% lame, luulis |
| 18:54.31 | webuadata | i already installed xserver, and it says its not their. |
| 18:54.33 | asg | webuadata: but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't work? |
| 18:54.39 | webuadata | correct. |
| 18:54.44 | asg | webuadata: apt-get install x-window-core |
| 18:54.52 | webuadata | ok. |
| 18:54.55 | asg | bah |
| 18:54.57 | scarynetworkguy | asg: And I've been doing a lot with Theo's project these days. Very cool stuff. |
| 18:54.58 | asg | webuadata: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 18:54.58 | jasoncohen | anyone know if libparted/gparted supports LVM? |
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| 18:55.08 | webuadata | Thats what i was looking for before |
| 18:55.10 | asg | scarynetworkguy: yeah, systrace is quite cool |
| 18:55.11 | prog | Eulex, What wb acronym stands for ? |
| 18:55.15 | webuadata | one second |
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| 18:55.33 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Oh yeah. And I *love* pf. Wish somebody would port it truth be told. |
| 18:55.53 | asg | scarynetworkguy: yeah, it makes life so much easier. |
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| 18:56.07 | asg | scarynetworkguy: hell, I have 3.6 on my Thinkpad. Works great. |
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| 18:56.27 | tarzeau | zumbi: good |
| 18:56.37 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Sweet. I'm thinking about putting 3.7 on mine when I buy it here in a bit. Good to know that it works. |
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| 18:57.12 | asg | scarynetworkguy: like a charm, apm fully supported, onboard nic. I just used a wireless avaya card I had lying around and presto. |
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| 18:57.36 | asg | scarynetworkguy: it's an older R40 but newer ones shouldn't be a problem. |
| 18:57.44 | asg | !pubtime |
| 18:57.45 | dpkg | hmm... pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
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| 18:57.45 | robin_sz | arghhh .. BT ... I am hating them |
| 18:58.06 | webuadata | My girlfriend's brother ripped off some keys on my laptop are those replaceable? He also ripped out the CD Drive, Heh. |
| 18:58.38 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Nice very nice. Thanks much for the info. |
| 18:58.41 | robin_sz | webuadata: yeah, they should just press back on |
| 18:58.52 | webuadata | I have to get new ones i lost them =P |
| 18:58.59 | jim | webuadata: was this without your permission (you say -your- laptop) |
| 18:59.04 | robin_sz | ahh, then you are fuxxored |
| 18:59.14 | webuadata | yes without my permission. |
| 18:59.15 | ninereeds | how can i add japanese fonts to firefox? |
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| 18:59.21 | jim | call the police |
| 18:59.21 | luulis | prog: `wtf wb` says: WB: welcome back |
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| 18:59.27 | robin_sz | di I mention I HATE bt? |
| 18:59.28 | jasoncohen | is there a gui app to add/modify LVM partitions? |
| 18:59.48 | jim | robin_sz: what's a bt? |
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| 19:00.04 | webuadata | Is KDE better then GNOME? I've used both don't know the structure of either. I use KDE now i havn't given GNOME a chance. |
| 19:00.05 | robin_sz | jim: UK telephone broadband company |
| 19:00.15 | robin_sz | and I hate the, |
| 19:00.16 | robin_sz | m |
| 19:00.19 | ptlis | I prefer Gnome. |
| 19:00.29 | tarzeau | try GNUstep |
| 19:00.31 | ptlis | BT is British Telecom. |
| 19:00.41 | ptlis | Terrible, terrible government-sponsored monopoly. |
| 19:00.51 | prog | luulis, thank you for explanation! |
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| 19:01.01 | jim | webuadata: I prefer neither, my machine is loaded enough |
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| 19:01.09 | Ugot2BkidNme | he is Doctor who on tonight? |
| 19:01.12 | robin_sz | ptlis: its a steaming pile of shite too. I;ve been waiting 6 months for broadband and they just changed ot from 1st June 2005 to ... never. |
| 19:01.25 | jim | Ugot2BkidNme: who? |
| 19:01.31 | ptlis | Is this the infrastructure to allow broadband? |
| 19:01.35 | robin_sz | yeah |
| 19:01.40 | webuadata | Grr, it still can't fidn the package xserver-free86. |
| 19:01.44 | ptlis | Bummer. |
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| 19:01.54 | ptlis | I'm getting 8meg broadband in my new digs. |
| 19:01.57 | Ugot2BkidNme | jim Doctor Who |
| 19:02.06 | Eulex | webuadata: how's your /etc/apt/sources.list looking? |
| 19:02.07 | robin_sz | ptlis: yeah, thansk for that ;) |
| 19:02.11 | ptlis | :P |
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| 19:02.16 | webuadata | i've changed it to testing before i installed kde. |
| 19:02.18 | jim | webuadata: spel et rite than yue kan geet et |
| 19:02.23 | ptlis | It's actually a downgrade :( |
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| 19:02.49 | robin_sz | ptlis: yeah yeah ... |
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| 19:03.11 | jim | webuadata: it's xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:03.13 | ptlis | Where in the UK do you live? |
| 19:03.29 | Epod69 | is there a command that would tell me if i have a chipset specific IDE driver ? |
| 19:03.58 | webuadata | does http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main (does stable have to be changed to testing aswell?) |
| 19:04.11 | jasoncohen | is there a simple way to add/modify LVM partitions...something like the partitioner from the debian installer would be fine |
| 19:04.12 | toonX | is there a deb package for cdrdao ? |
| 19:04.17 | tarzeau | toonX: yes |
| 19:04.20 | Eulex | prog: welcome back |
| 19:04.24 | toonX | tarzeau cool |
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| 19:04.35 | toonX | tarzeau i'll just google it |
| 19:04.37 | jim | webuadata: testing does not have security updates |
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| 19:05.01 | dimbit | anyone know how you generate a new .Xauthority file? |
| 19:05.12 | toonX | tarzeau and can i build from the source a deb package ? |
| 19:05.20 | webuadata | Grr, it won't install xserver-free86... |
| 19:05.25 | binbrain | I have a dumb question about dh_make |
| 19:05.31 | jim | toonX: yes, -if-: |
| 19:05.39 | tarzeau | toonX: sure |
| 19:05.46 | jim | either (1) the source is already debianized, or |
| 19:06.07 | jim | (2) you learn how to debianize the source yourself |
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| 19:06.22 | toonX | jim (2) for me |
| 19:06.30 | binbrain | are you supposed to be the root dir where the dir with the source is (often called src) or do they mean you have BE IN the src dir |
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| 19:07.03 | jim | do you know how already? I'll have to say, it's a fairly long road |
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| 19:07.09 | gigabytes | hi all |
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| 19:07.38 | toonX | jim uhm not really , im learning now, my question is what are the advantages of doing it instead of installing a precompiled deb package? |
| 19:07.56 | toonX | jim more optimized ? maybe? |
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| 19:08.21 | jim | but... debian.org/devel/ is a good resource, debian packaging manual... also, learn all the little pieces of debhelper |
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| 19:08.55 | toonX | ok |
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| 19:09.00 | jim | toonX: if something you want is already debianized, you can get the debianized source, alter, rebuild |
| 19:09.03 | Tak | either (1) the source is already debianized, or |
| 19:09.04 | jelly | toonX: perhaps linking with a non-free library, like support for Oracle where Debian has it disabled. |
| 19:09.17 | Tak | (2) the application is less than 10 years old |
| 19:09.20 | dimbit | anyone know what to do when no one can connect to the X server because the .Xauthority file got deleted?? |
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| 19:10.00 | Gnea | !beer dimbit |
| 19:10.04 | Cope | How can I find out the appropriate dma settings for my onboard isa sound card? pnpdump -c provides no info, but I have the ioport and interrupt settings from /proc |
| 19:10.08 | pipeline | Xauthority files aren't a problem. They're deleted all the time. |
| 19:10.08 | dimbit | hmmm, thanks |
| 19:10.15 | Gnea | that's what i usually do ;) |
| 19:10.16 | webuadata | Can someone help me personally about my problem with x. |
| 19:10.17 | dimbit | so how do I fix it? |
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| 19:10.27 | Lee__ | Cope: ISA sound card! OMG! |
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| 19:10.41 | Gnea | dimbit: how are you running X? startx or a dm? |
| 19:10.53 | dimbit | dm |
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| 19:11.03 | Gnea | did u logout and stop the dm? |
| 19:11.06 | jim | toonX: usually, you'd package something that hasn't been packaged yet,,, if it has, you can fiddle with it and easily rebuild without authoring the packaging |
| 19:11.07 | dimbit | nope |
| 19:11.11 | Cope | Lee__: I know! This is taking me -right- back! |
| 19:11.17 | Gnea | do that |
| 19:11.21 | Gnea | then start the dm back up |
| 19:11.22 | Gnea | and login |
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| 19:11.35 | dimbit | oh, ok. so just restart X basically? |
| 19:11.40 | Gnea | it should just recreate it |
| 19:11.40 | webuadata | Gnea: do you know how i can fix my start x problem. |
| 19:11.42 | Gnea | yeah |
| 19:11.44 | dimbit | I didn't wanna do that in case it wouldn't restart |
| 19:11.48 | toonX | jim ok i got it |
| 19:11.52 | Lee__ | Cope: the only ISA card I've used was ones with the 'sb' driver. it was very plug and play. |
| 19:11.56 | dimbit | kk, thx |
| 19:12.01 | Lee__ | Cope: modprobe -v sb |
| 19:12.07 | Gnea | webuadata: can't help unless i know what the problem is |
| 19:12.09 | jim | toonX: here's something else that can help you... |
| 19:12.19 | Cope | Lee__: yeah, I am sure this uses sb, I did modprobe sb, and it took, but I have really choppy and interrupted sound |
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| 19:12.41 | meff | whenever i print text w/ my deskjet 5550 and cups, the bottom line seems to be cut between 2 pages.. anyone have this prob and/or know how to fix it? |
| 19:12.47 | Lee__ | Cope: you might have to live with it...is something like that tunable? |
| 19:12.50 | webuadata | when i type startx, it starts to go then it comes back to prompt and says, failed to initialize core devices, and has a input mouse problem. |
| 19:12.54 | anubis_EOA | can soemone please tell me how to change the authentification method in postfix 2.1.5, nothing in the docs make the blindest bit of differnce |
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| 19:13.25 | jim | toonX, go to ftp.gnu.org, browse around, and try to find the hello package; it'll be hello-1.2.3.4.tar.gz or something like that |
| 19:13.30 | Gnea | forget startx, if you type X on its own do you get a grey screen and a cursor? |
| 19:13.32 | Cope | Lee__: its certainly not liveable with! |
| 19:13.40 | webuadata | says bad command |
| 19:13.48 | webuadata | wait |
| 19:13.49 | webuadata | hold on. |
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| 19:13.52 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:13.53 | webuadata | no. |
| 19:13.54 | webuadata | Same error. |
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| 19:14.07 | Gnea | your XF86Config-4 is misconfigured |
| 19:14.09 | jim | toonX, what you want to do, is unpack that thing and read every file in it |
| 19:14.10 | sepski | webuadata, load your mouse modules |
| 19:14.10 | toonX | jim i'm on it , and one other thing , is debian sarge 64bit release , considered as stable? |
| 19:14.13 | Lee__ | Cope: yeah, but how much are cheap PCI sound cards? certainly no more than the trouble of fixing obsolete hardware. |
| 19:14.17 | webuadata | how do i edit it. |
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| 19:14.23 | Cope | Lee__: heh |
| 19:14.28 | toonX | jim that shoud give me an idea |
| 19:14.31 | Cope | Lee__: its the -principle- ! :-) |
| 19:14.32 | jim | toonX, not sure |
| 19:14.37 | Gnea | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i think |
| 19:14.37 | Lee__ | right... |
| 19:14.45 | Gnea | what kind of mouse? |
| 19:14.45 | sepski | toonX, there was a amd64 sarge release considered stable a few days after the official stable if that's what your talking aobut |
| 19:14.54 | webuadata | it says its not installed, and when i try to install says "unknown package" |
| 19:15.02 | sepski | that will recive security updates also |
| 19:15.06 | toonX | sepski yes, it's what im using right now |
| 19:15.21 | jim | toonX: debian has packaged hello as well... you could then get the debianized hello source and read all the files in that too |
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| 19:15.42 | jim | toonX: that will give you a fairly large head start |
| 19:15.55 | Gnea | webuadata: what version of debian is it? |
| 19:15.58 | Cope | I am curious that pnpdump -c gives nothing though |
| 19:16.00 | webuadata | 3+ |
| 19:16.10 | Gnea | 3+ is invalid. |
| 19:16.14 | webuadata | 2. something? |
| 19:16.18 | webuadata | Im not sure. |
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| 19:16.20 | Gnea | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:16.36 | webuadata | 3.1 |
| 19:16.45 | Gnea | cat /etc/issue |
| 19:16.50 | toonX | jim k thanks for guidance |
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| 19:16.59 | jim | welcome. good luck |
| 19:17.05 | webuadata | Dibeian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
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| 19:17.24 | Gnea | sarge. |
| 19:17.25 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:17.43 | webuadata | huh |
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| 19:17.52 | Gnea | what kind of mouse do you have |
| 19:17.56 | Gnea | ps/2? usb? |
| 19:18.04 | luulis | damn did perl in sid break so badly that opening fifos just hangs :( someone with sid try this: perl -e'$_="/tmp/f";`mkfifo $_`;open F,$_;close F' |
| 19:18.14 | webuadata | laptop |
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| 19:18.22 | toonX | sepski say, if i find (as i did) the cdrdao package in debian.org/distrib/packages for what distribution should i download it (stable .. testing etc) if im using sarge for 64 bit ? stable? |
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| 19:18.34 | Gnea | luulis: returned to the prompt |
| 19:18.44 | Gnea | luulis: what version of perl? |
| 19:18.55 | Gnea | webuadata: k, it's still gonna be one of those 2 |
| 19:19.02 | Gnea | webuadata: probably ps2 - what kind of laptop? |
| 19:19.07 | douglas | i'm installing on a box with two hard drives .. both spin at 5400 .. does it matter if i put the swap on the primary versus the secondary? both? |
| 19:19.15 | webuadata | toshiba |
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| 19:19.26 | Eulex | webuadata: a touchpad? |
| 19:19.27 | Gnea | k |
| 19:19.31 | webuadata | yes |
| 19:19.33 | Gnea | toshiba makes hundreds of laptops |
| 19:19.44 | jim | douglas: -probably- it doesn't matter |
| 19:19.45 | luulis | Gnea: 5.8.7-3 |
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| 19:19.51 | toonX | sepski well, amd64 in't not on the list |
| 19:19.51 | Gnea | luulis: same |
| 19:19.55 | Eulex | webuadata: what model on that laptop? |
| 19:19.58 | douglas | ok cool |
| 19:19.59 | pizux | is someone knows about aol under linux? |
| 19:20.09 | webuadata | 1805-s274 |
| 19:20.11 | jim | pizux: aolserver.com |
| 19:20.21 | pizux | thx |
| 19:20.47 | frog | what kind of audio apps are in sarge? |
| 19:20.52 | Eulex | webuadata: ok |
| 19:20.55 | jim | ardour |
| 19:21.04 | jim | maybe a synth or three |
| 19:21.14 | jim | jack audio connection kit |
| 19:21.17 | Eulex | frog: xmms, bmp, mp3blaster, mpg123, ogg123, sidplay2 etc |
| 19:21.19 | Eulex | also |
| 19:21.20 | Eulex | oss |
| 19:21.26 | luulis | wtf just writing anything to a fifo hangs for me ?!? |
| 19:21.31 | frog | what synths? |
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| 19:21.38 | pizux | jim, want toknow how to connect to the aol provider with debian? |
| 19:21.39 | jim | maybe ssm |
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| 19:21.51 | frog | what about rosegarden? |
| 19:21.54 | jim | pizux: not sure |
| 19:21.56 | Gnea | webuadata: read this: http://www.hartzler.net/satellite/ |
| 19:21.56 | stelki | Does teamspeak hang for anybody else, whenever you tr to connect to a server? |
| 19:22.04 | pizux | with an usb speedtouch ! |
| 19:22.13 | jim | frog: rosegarden is OK I guess... |
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| 19:22.17 | mrfrenzy | stelki: use skype, it's superior |
| 19:22.19 | frog | is it there? |
| 19:22.24 | telpochyaotl | would it be possible to have a Solaris debian port? |
| 19:22.25 | jim | yes |
| 19:22.35 | pngwn | frog, packages.debian.org |
| 19:22.38 | pipeline | But would would be the point? |
| 19:22.41 | frog | so ALSA is used i take it? |
| 19:22.46 | stelki | mrfrenzy, that was not really my question, skype does not provide the same as teamspeak does |
| 19:22.49 | jim | point of which? |
| 19:22.59 | pipeline | Debian Solaris port. |
| 19:22.59 | frog | asking |
| 19:23.00 | jim | oh, I see |
| 19:23.05 | Eulex | webuadata: http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba.html -- search for yours |
| 19:23.12 | jim | yeah, I just noticed that |
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| 19:23.43 | douglas | swap is logical not primary right :) |
| 19:23.49 | jim | telpochyaotl: maybe, if solaris is released under GPL or something |
| 19:23.50 | Eulex | webuadata: or the one that resembles yours most |
| 19:23.53 | frog | is ALSA used? |
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| 19:24.00 | Eulex | frog: of course |
| 19:24.04 | frog | is jack and esd included? |
| 19:24.07 | valdyn | douglas: eh? |
| 19:24.08 | Eulex | yeah |
| 19:24.08 | cahoot | frog: the choice is yours |
| 19:24.13 | jim | douglas: either is fine... primar will be a little faster |
| 19:24.21 | douglas | valdyn: cool |
| 19:24.26 | frog | does it have X with the drop shadow windows? |
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| 19:24.44 | jim | but the thing is that you don't want to be swapping constantly :) |
| 19:24.51 | valdyn | frog: no |
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| 19:24.56 | frog | damn |
| 19:25.08 | Gnea | wow... |
| 19:25.17 | jim | it's there so you don't run out of ram... but it's painful to be in there |
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| 19:25.30 | Eulex | frog: xorg is not in debian yet... I think it's gonna be that soon... right? |
| 19:25.30 | Gnea | some 4 year old from penn. died on a ride at epcot in fl. |
| 19:25.53 | Gnea | :/ |
| 19:26.10 | fooz | how? |
| 19:26.15 | Eulex | anyone know when xorg is in debian? |
| 19:26.24 | waTR | whats the package for Java on linux to be able to view java webpages? |
| 19:26.24 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 19:26.25 | dpkg | it has been said that anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:26.39 | jim | frog: drop shadow windows? that's a user interface element... X provides -mechanisms- for user interface, but does NOT define or enforce them... window managers provide specific interfaces |
| 19:26.41 | Eulex | ha ha... funny |
| 19:26.44 | frog | yeah, does sarge have flash and java in the browser? |
| 19:26.47 | tarzeau | Eulex: /msg dpkg wir |
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| 19:26.52 | tarzeau | frog: no |
| 19:26.56 | pngwn | Eulex, /msg dpkg xorg;) |
| 19:26.58 | frog | jim: the composite extension |
| 19:27.18 | Eulex | ty |
| 19:27.19 | jim | frog: maybe, I don't know |
| 19:27.46 | jim | \Eulex: specific plans at x strike force page |
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| 19:28.12 | stew | frog: no free java browser plugin exists yet, but one can be installed easily enough, /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:28.54 | jim | the java from sun at least is also legally problematic |
| 19:29.15 | frog | um - audacity, rezound? |
| 19:29.55 | frog | are these there? |
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| 19:30.06 | stew | frog: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:30.10 | valdyn | frog: stop asking, use http://packages.debian.org |
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| 19:30.59 | luulis | what could be causing that when i try to a fifo it just hangs? |
| 19:31.10 | grok | anybody knowing, how to delete the first line of a textfile with simple debian tools ? |
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| 19:31.28 | jim | frog: right... it's not efficient to respond to multiple "does it exist in debian" queries... you can ask the search engine yourself |
| 19:31.53 | valdyn | grok: man tail, man cat , man wc |
| 19:32.04 | jazzmanss | I've been using the alioth amd64 sid debian port, but now that amd64 is stable, how do I add a security to my sources.list? |
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| 19:32.19 | frog | eh whats the syntax? |
| 19:32.34 | jim | the syntax is in the man pages |
| 19:32.35 | cahoot | grok: http://www.ptug.org/sed/sedfaq.htm |
| 19:32.49 | shingouz | jazzmanss: if you use Sid you do not get security at all |
| 19:32.56 | grok | valdyn not print --- delete/remove the line --- Not rebuild a new file ... |
| 19:33.17 | jim | jazzmanss: you have to get from sid to sarge first |
| 19:33.21 | jazzmanss | I plan on downgrading to sarge. |
| 19:33.22 | frog | ok got it |
| 19:33.38 | shingouz | jazzmanss: good luck, that is going to be a hell of a headache :( |
| 19:33.41 | jasoncohen | so, what's the easiest way to add LVM partitions? webmin has an LVM tool but i'm not sure how good it is |
| 19:33.42 | jim | do that first, then you can add the security lines to the sources.list |
| 19:33.45 | jazzmanss | I don't know the proper syntax for a securities line in sources.list |
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| 19:34.03 | jim | jazzmanss: your home partition separate? |
| 19:34.10 | jazzmanss | always jim. |
| 19:34.12 | jim | you -could- just reinstall... |
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| 19:34.34 | stew | grok: perl -ni -e "print if \$foo ; \$foo=1" /path/to/file |
| 19:34.35 | shingouz | jazzmanss: try to downgrade to sarge first, if the thing works after the downgrade, mess with the security stuff then |
| 19:34.40 | jim | but downgrading is not supported, and not possible in all cases |
| 19:34.58 | abel | jazzmanss: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 19:35.05 | jazzmanss | thanks abel. |
| 19:35.07 | jim | jazzmanss: so what do you play? |
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| 19:35.34 | shingouz | jazzmanss: if you add that to the sid sources.list your system is going to be seriously screwed |
| 19:35.35 | abel | jazzmanss : but u must be on stable |
| 19:35.38 | jazzmanss | bass, piano, vocals, drums, you name it. :) bass is my main instrument currently. |
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| 19:35.52 | Lepton | How do I restart exim after modifiying the configuarion file? exim restart? |
| 19:35.59 | jim | bass is my only instrument atm |
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| 19:36.06 | jim | horns? |
| 19:36.11 | shingouz | Lepton: /etc/init.d/exim restart i think it is |
| 19:36.17 | jim | guitar? |
| 19:36.25 | valdyn | Lepton: /etc/init.d/exim4 <enter> to see |
| 19:36.30 | valdyn | Lepton: /etc/init.d/exim <enter> to see |
| 19:36.35 | shingouz | Lepton: maybe a SIGHUP would be useable too, not sure |
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| 19:36.50 | Lepton | Yep |
| 19:36.51 | Lepton | That did it! |
| 19:36.53 | Lepton | Thanks guys! :) |
| 19:36.53 | telpochyaotl | jim: well, it's not gpl, it's mozilla like license |
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| 19:37.47 | jim | telpochyaotl: that might be ok |
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| 19:40.13 | jim | telpochyaotl: if the license is considered free by dfsg standards, it could happen... but is solaris any good? |
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| 19:40.48 | jim | horns? guitar? |
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| 19:41.13 | sparr_ | I have a 16MB initrd image containing 11MB of stuff. How can I shrink the image to 12MB? |
| 19:42.00 | xiaogil | Is there a command line to convert an html file (encoded with big5) into utf-8 |
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| 19:42.19 | telpochyaotl | jim: it's osi approved... |
| 19:42.38 | jasoncohen | i wonder...could i just use the debian install cd to add LVM partitions and then reboot w/o reinstalling? |
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| 19:43.08 | joink_ | xiaogil: iconv could perhaps do the trick. |
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| 19:43.28 | gilead | Rosegarden here can't output any sound, I tried to play some midi file with pmidi and timidity - timidity works fine, pmidi is deaf. I heard that pmidi is the app to test sound before running Rosegarden. What should I check/do to make Rosegarden and/or pmidi to work? |
| 19:43.38 | nvz | jasoncohen: sure, but you cannot create LVM volume over existing data without erasing it |
| 19:43.48 | jasoncohen | that's fine |
| 19:43.55 | runIfSlow | how can I trigger a script to start once the average ppp download rate has dropped below, say, 3kbps for the past 2 minutes? |
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| 19:44.14 | frog | are there any free equivalents for mathematica/ |
| 19:44.23 | cahoot | gilead: you have a soundfont |
| 19:44.23 | waTR | what package would allow me to view java websites? |
| 19:44.24 | jasoncohen | nvz, i'm moving my movies from an ntfs partition to my large LVM partition so i have write access and so that mythtv can find everything in one place |
| 19:44.37 | kamaraju | frog: try maxima |
| 19:44.42 | G2 | how do I check what services are set to come on at boot? |
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| 19:44.59 | G2 | Is there something like checkconfig on debian? |
| 19:45.04 | gilead | cahoot: like freepats? Freepats is installed. |
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| 19:45.22 | kamaraju | frog: better still, call maxima from texmacs. Both are available in Debian |
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| 19:45.26 | nvz | I argued with my brother yesturday about LVM and TV apps.. he still says XP Media Center is the only app that he can do the stuff he does with. |
| 19:45.29 | bklynjames | I need a little help how do I configure packages that arent configured yet |
| 19:45.32 | RedPenguin | I am trying to do a apt-get upgrade but now I have webmin packages failing because it says webmin-core has not been configured, what is the safest way to fix it? |
| 19:45.35 | jasoncohen | nvz, is the debian installer the only gui type solution for adding LVM partitions in debian? i've been searching on google but all i can find is stuff on gparted and neither gparted or qtparted can really add LVMs. they can see them |
| 19:45.52 | douglas | bklynjames: dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 19:45.52 | shingouz | G2: not that i know of. /etc/rcS.d and rc2.d, check what they contain |
| 19:45.59 | bklynjames | Thankx |
| 19:46.07 | douglas | word |
| 19:46.20 | jasoncohen | nvz, i have a 400 GB LVM for mythtv spanning 4 HDs and i have a two tuner setup in mythtv- works great |
| 19:46.20 | nvz | jasoncohen: afaik, the partitioner in D-I was specially made. I dont know if you can install and use it outside D-I or not |
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| 19:46.41 | G2 | shingouz: cheers. |
| 19:46.54 | nvz | my brother is an idiot.. what can I say :P |
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| 19:47.01 | jasoncohen | nvz, what does he think is so great about XP media center? |
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| 19:47.53 | Eulex | xp... windows... *shudder* |
| 19:47.56 | jasoncohen | i love the auto-commercial detection/skipping in mythtv and it's also nice to be able to access my movie collection with imdb info/rating/description/dvd covers + being able to play DVDs directly without annoying mens |
| 19:47.57 | jasoncohen | *menus |
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| 19:48.23 | nvz | jasoncohen: its "the only thing that will work with his DVR to set and record live tv" |
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| 19:48.37 | nvz | jasoncohen: like I said he's an idiot :P |
| 19:48.38 | jasoncohen | i tried several pvr apps - beyondtv and sagetv on xp and they all were disapointing-- horrible performance |
| 19:48.39 | KimuSan^ | can anyone tell me why apache runs as a user called backup ? |
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| 19:48.52 | jasoncohen | i love myth |
| 19:48.59 | nvz | jasoncohen: he just got a new AMD64 system with XP Media Center and a wireless remote. |
| 19:49.00 | cahoot | gilead: maybe the midi section here can be of use: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=emu10k1 |
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| 19:49.30 | jasoncohen | i'm using a modified ati_remote driver with the niveus RF remote (50 ft range) on a amd 2700+ |
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| 19:50.08 | gilead | cahoot: there's a lot of stuff there, thanks, will read it |
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| 19:50.27 | jasoncohen | i have a pvr-250 MCE and a hauppauge wintv (bttv with btaudio support). usually i'm just using the MCE so cpu usage while recording is near 0% and i do auto-commercial detection while shows are recording so that the cutlist is finished immediately after the show ends |
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| 19:50.57 | CopeLaptop | Lee__: sorted!! :-) |
| 19:51.09 | Empty | woot, Santa appartently wears brown shorts and shaves the beard when he is out working in June |
| 19:51.22 | jasoncohen | and i'm currently encoding some of my DVDs to my HD so i can use them in mythvideo- i'm using dvdrip for that task |
| 19:51.25 | bklynjames | douglas, I get conflicting actions --control and --remove, any ideas |
| 19:51.31 | CopeLaptop | Lee__: looked in bios at the hardwired irq, io and dma; figured out it wasn't pnp; then passed the settings manually via insmod |
| 19:51.36 | nvz | I don't know what any of that is :P I dont do this stuff. but I am sure he has nothing in windblows that cant be done better in debian |
| 19:51.47 | Empty | Just got my new laptop, resized the XP partition and d-i just finished running :D |
| 19:51.53 | Lee__ | CopeLaptop: badass! |
| 19:52.08 | gahan | whats the difference beetwen IN MX 0, 10, 20, etc? |
| 19:52.10 | CopeLaptop | sounds really good too! |
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| 19:52.26 | douglas | bklynjames: Sorry man got nothing for you |
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| 19:52.44 | shingouz | CopeLaptop: what did you manage to get working? |
| 19:52.55 | CopeLaptop | shingouz: very old onboard isa soundcard |
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| 19:53.09 | bklynjames | Anybody know how to configure uncongigured packages |
| 19:53.11 | shingouz | CopeLaptop: hehe... they can be a pain |
| 19:53.13 | punkrockguy318 | Does Sarge support wireless cards? |
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| 19:53.21 | Lee__ | punkrockguy318: yes, some. |
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| 19:53.27 | shingouz | punkrockguy318: whatever the kernel supports, yes |
| 19:53.29 | Lee__ | what card do you have? |
| 19:53.33 | punkrockguy318 | Lee__, Is there a running list of what is supported? |
| 19:53.33 | CopeLaptop | shingouz: took me back! Its been some time since I had to do this |
| 19:53.36 | Empty | gahan, those are MX weights, MTAs try the lowest first |
| 19:53.37 | Trist | Is there anyone who would be able to point me in the right direction to find out why my soundcard suddenly chose to stop working? :) |
| 19:53.38 | douglas | say you're doing a net install off the business card iso and after getting 59% of the base it just sort of dies ... you have to start all over? |
| 19:53.40 | shingouz | CopeLaptop: hehe |
| 19:53.45 | punkrockguy318 | Lee__, I'm considering purchasing a PCMCIA Linksys card |
| 19:53.49 | Lee__ | !tell punkrockguy318 about wireless |
| 19:53.54 | nvz | douglas: you should wait |
| 19:54.05 | nvz | douglas: somewhere in the middle you grab libc which is pretty big |
| 19:54.12 | gahan | Empty: thx |
| 19:54.13 | douglas | oh |
| 19:54.20 | douglas | so i should put my trust in debian |
| 19:54.21 | Lee__ | punkrockguy318: I have a WCF12 with a PCMCIA adaptor. it works with the hostap_cs driver and some manual configuration. |
| 19:54.27 | nvz | douglas: on tty2 or tty3 there should be detailed status |
| 19:54.42 | douglas | dope! |
| 19:54.45 | punkrockguy318 | Lee__, alright |
| 19:54.46 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.01 | Eulex | anyone having any experience trying to get a cs4237b or similar snd card to work with alsa? |
| 19:55.20 | punkrockguy318 | Does Debian support BlueTooth? |
| 19:55.26 | shingouz | Eulex: lemme guess, thinkpad? |
| 19:55.37 | shingouz | punkrockguy318: yes |
| 19:55.44 | Eulex | shingouz: nope, old dell latitude |
| 19:55.47 | punkrockguy318 | shingouz, great :) |
| 19:56.17 | shingouz | punkrockguy318: as usual, before you buy do a small google so that you do not get the exact hardware which is *not* supported |
| 19:56.53 | shingouz | Eulex: haven't worked with dells but the crystal sound usually needs to have the irq, io and dma hardwired into the configs before they work |
| 19:57.08 | nvz | either that or kidnap a kernel developer and lock them in a room full of beer and jolt cola, and shout demands at them |
| 19:57.21 | shingouz | nvz: would that help too? |
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| 19:57.31 | nvz | sounds good |
| 19:57.43 | Eulex | shingouz: oss works, but It says "No ISAPnP cards found, trying standard ones..", and I can't redord anything... and I have tried forcing the irq, io and dma onto alsa, but it can't get it to recognise it |
| 19:57.47 | shingouz | nvz: you're not one of the kernel devels? :p |
| 19:58.08 | Empty | Later all, need to bring this box back up on a different net to rsync :P |
| 19:58.08 | nvz | hardly |
| 19:58.23 | Eulex | *record |
| 19:58.58 | shingouz | Eulex: remove discover and put isapnptools in there, create a config and hardwire the values there. after that you need to make sure the oss modules do not load and tell alsa what the correct values should be |
| 19:59.11 | KimuSan^ | where do I set which user apache should be runned as |
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| 20:00.43 | Eulex | shingouz: remove discover as in doing apt-get remove discover or just shutting discover down with /etc/init.d/discover stop? |
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| 20:01.20 | shingouz | Eulex: apt-get remove (and i would purge it too while i were at it). it interferes with the manual hardware recognition something fierce |
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| 20:01.29 | kerpal_ | I need a channel that just flames bad database development on top of bad database development.. |
| 20:01.43 | kerpal_ | Anyone have any recommendations? |
| 20:01.47 | shingouz | kerpal_: #baddatabase-flames? |
| 20:01.56 | kerpal_ | I will give it a shot. |
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| 20:02.08 | Eulex | shingouz: ok, but how to create a config? I have just given modprobe cs4236 different command line options before |
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| 20:02.14 | kerpal_ | just chanserv.. |
| 20:02.16 | kerpal_ | so sad. |
| 20:02.17 | shingouz | kerpal_: you could try #winduhs too for that matter... |
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| 20:02.32 | kerpal_ | yep... |
| 20:02.37 | kerpal_ | its .net |
| 20:02.43 | kerpal_ | sort of. |
| 20:02.46 | shingouz | Eulex: install the isapnputils and man isapnpdump |
| 20:03.01 | shingouz | kerpal_: you need to email bill then. |
| 20:03.03 | marv_ | huhu, how can i add an group which cant login as root?(via "su") |
| 20:03.09 | kerpal_ | more like bob |
| 20:03.18 | shingouz | him too |
| 20:03.40 | kerpal_ | mk a group that you want su to belong to |
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| 20:03.49 | kerpal_ | and everyone you want to su to that group |
| 20:03.50 | s0n1 | hi |
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| 20:03.58 | Eulex | shingouz, ok, thanks, I'm gonna try that |
| 20:04.03 | shingouz | ...and 900 people say hi.. |
| 20:04.04 | kerpal_ | chmod 770 su (not 7's but you get the pt) |
| 20:04.04 | s0n1 | the courier-imap is compatible with authlib ???? |
| 20:04.09 | s0n1 | the courier-imap is compatible with authlib ???? |
| 20:04.17 | marv_ | on gentoo is a group called wheel this is the only group where user can use the command su |
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| 20:04.23 | marv_ | this i want to realise on debian |
| 20:04.27 | marv_ | but dont know how |
| 20:04.30 | Lee__ | what's the utility that converte between dos/unix/apple line breaks? |
| 20:04.34 | cahoot | marv_: look at /etc/pam.d/su |
| 20:04.46 | kerpal_ | or do what cahoot says :) |
| 20:04.52 | CopeLaptop | Lee__: tr? |
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| 20:04.58 | kerpal_ | but really if you secure te executable... .... ... it will work too.. |
| 20:05.00 | cahoot | lee: sed |
| 20:05.16 | JohnnyST | Hi about solaris that is out now is it compatible with free software? |
| 20:05.28 | Lee__ | cahoot: "sed input.txt output.txt" ? |
| 20:05.28 | CopeLaptop | Lee__: tr -d '\r' < dosfile > unixfile |
| 20:05.42 | Lee__ | ah, like that :) |
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| 20:05.46 | kerpal_ | dos/unis dos2unix or unix2dos (forget the program behind it) but tr or sed will work... |
| 20:05.46 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
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| 20:05.47 | shingouz | JohnnyST: should be, ask Sun |
| 20:05.51 | CopeLaptop | Lee__: tr '\r' '\n' < macfile > unixfile |
| 20:06.04 | cahoot | lee: no - more elaborate - http://www.ptug.org/sed/sedfaq.htm |
| 20:06.14 | JohnnyST | But not with GPL I guess.. |
| 20:06.25 | Lee__ | thanks. tr seems the simplest |
| 20:06.38 | shingouz | JohnnyST: this is #debian, we have no idea about Solaris |
| 20:06.43 | bisquit | Ahem. Might there be an easy way to make X iniated by <user> not be run as root and thus not have root priviledges? |
| 20:07.10 | black_Nightmare | just curious if there's any average minimum install size for debian/ppc? (perhaps with working ethernet, browser, and some text processing) |
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| 20:07.19 | Eulex | shingouz: found no isapnputils, but found isapnptools... but isapnpdump doesn't seem to exist... however, there's a isapnp command |
| 20:07.25 | shingouz | bisquit: how about logging on as the user in question and run startx as that user? that is the way people usually do it |
| 20:07.26 | samuel | is there any way to remove a running program from the taskbar |
| 20:07.34 | shingouz | isapnptools. correct |
| 20:07.36 | samuel | to make it not show in the taskbar? |
| 20:07.45 | kerpal_ | man where are my peoples.. |
| 20:07.46 | samuel | in metacity/gnome? |
| 20:07.46 | trc | black_Nightmare: forget ppc. apple goes intel |
| 20:07.50 | bisquit | shingouz, and it still gets run as root and gets root priviledges ;) |
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| 20:08.49 | kerpal_ | wow sarge is finally free from the purgatory of being testing.. |
| 20:09.01 | kerpal_ | WOW... Who won the pool? |
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| 20:09.07 | shingouz | Eulex: pnpdump? i think. dpkg -L isapnptools should tell you what got installed there, i just cannot remember the command that creates the config file. you have to hand-hack the config though, it just dumps all possible combinations adn you need to pick the useable one from tehre |
| 20:09.12 | CopeLaptop | Eulex: pnpdump -c > /etc/isapnp.conf && isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf |
| 20:09.16 | aaaaa | someone i don't know how have installed the obsolote and insecure Storm Linux 2000 on a box to be used as a server. Discuss |
| 20:09.18 | black_Nightmare | trc...excuse me..I said debian/ppc ...... don't try stiff a question like that please ok? |
| 20:09.19 | sbk | Any thoughts on the AT28L as a beginners microcontroller? |
| 20:09.23 | sbk | oops |
| 20:09.28 | Eulex | shingouz & CopeLaptop: ok, thanks |
| 20:09.29 | shingouz | bisquit: you lost me now? how the hell is that possible? |
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| 20:09.41 | black_Nightmare | sbk..you meant to ask in #electronics I take it? |
| 20:09.45 | shingouz | CopeLaptop: thanks, man. that was the one i was looking for |
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| 20:09.51 | Wanderer- | s |
| 20:10.07 | sbk | black_Nightmare: yes, sorry about that |
| 20:10.09 | myren | kerpal_: good q |
| 20:10.27 | shingouz | black_Nightmare: a few hundred megabytes. more hd is better of course |
| 20:10.28 | black_Nightmare | sbk..no problem...I can't help with microcontrollers but hopefully someone in the other channel can |
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| 20:10.40 | bisquit | shingouz, oh right! :D ...Sorry, it doesn't. But.... umm.. in top it seems as if it's being run as root. |
| 20:11.02 | black_Nightmare | shing...hmm so for a starters installion a 2.5gb hd swap should work ok for now? |
| 20:11.03 | shingouz | bisquit: lemme check that one |
| 20:11.09 | bisquit | Roger. |
| 20:11.29 | shingouz | black_Nightmare: it sure would. /msg dpkg nicktab and /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 20:11.47 | kerpal_ | Do we have a testing distribution now.. hehehe if SIG is Unstable 4realz .. we only have two branches now ... wtf?! |
| 20:11.51 | XTF | Hi. What should one do if bugs don't get solved in a package? |
| 20:11.54 | runIfSlow | is there a command-line program that monitors bandwidth? for example, a program that will exit once bandwidth drops below some threshold? |
| 20:12.02 | Eulex | shingouz & CopeLaptop: pnpdump tests a lot of port addresses, bu finds nothing, and the output ends with "No boards found" |
| 20:12.04 | kerpal_ | We need a sid to testing pool.. |
| 20:12.09 | black_Nightmare | shing.....umm I didn't get half of that sentence you just said -- but ... ty anyhow |
| 20:12.13 | shingouz | bisquit: you are right, i do not knwo why as a matter of fact :o |
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| 20:12.26 | shingouz | !tell black_Nightmare about nicktab |
| 20:12.29 | shingouz | !tell black_Nightmare about d-i |
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| 20:12.42 | shingouz | black_Nightmare: read what dpkg messaged you |
| 20:12.56 | Eulex | *but |
| 20:13.13 | bisquit | shingouz, okies. But if it is (as it seems) a normal feature . . . I guess I shouldn't worry about it then. -> Phew. |
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| 20:13.35 | bisquit | Still is a bit confusing tho, imo. But.. well, I couldn't code it any better so I dunno if I should be expecting it work otherwise ;) |
| 20:13.40 | shingouz | bisquit: seems to be normal at least. i need to look into it though |
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| 20:13.57 | black_Nightmare | shing..I noticed -but- then not all clients have the overlywanted-by-people autocomplete feature :p |
| 20:14.02 | shingouz | Eulex: pnpdump has to be run as root of course |
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| 20:14.16 | Eulex | shingouz: I'm running as root |
| 20:14.30 | kerpal_ | Eulex.. not smart. |
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| 20:14.40 | kerpal_ | oh. |
| 20:14.41 | kerpal_ | sorry |
| 20:14.51 | gtlarue | I am having trouble with my setup as well, I guess the first issue I have to deal with is getting my PCMIA ethernet card working |
| 20:14.52 | Eulex | kerpal_: just that console |
| 20:14.54 | shingouz | black_Nightmare: that is a must here, 900 people on the channel and all this traffic, kinda hard to pick up partial nicks. install debian an some real irc client ;) |
| 20:15.18 | black_Nightmare | shing... I only see -one- 'shing' at all here :p |
| 20:15.24 | black_Nightmare | and btw.. |
| 20:15.31 | black_Nightmare | the clients I use ARE real clients |
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| 20:15.43 | shingouz | black_Nightmare: shing does not highlight here. sorry |
| 20:15.44 | black_Nightmare | especially smircle to my mac and earlier xchat to pc .. etc |
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| 20:16.07 | gtlarue | sigh, always frustrating trying to get debian to work by running to this chat from the spare windows machine |
| 20:16.30 | maja | how can i tell that my kernel has got bluetooth ? |
| 20:16.40 | gtlarue | module-assistant? |
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| 20:16.44 | shingouz | gtlarue: you said the magic word 'spare' install debian on it too :) |
| 20:16.45 | Lee__ | gtlarue: I always run to the spare Debian machine |
| 20:16.53 | black_Nightmare | maja see your version number in kernel.org ? else ask someone for a better idea than mine! |
| 20:16.58 | gtlarue | hehe |
| 20:17.09 | shingouz | maja: what kernel you run? |
| 20:17.19 | gtlarue | yeah, I imagine I will be there one day, but at the moment I cant get the deb laptop conected to the network |
| 20:17.26 | maja | 2.6.8 |
| 20:17.30 | Lee__ | gtlarue: what kind of network? |
| 20:17.41 | FlimFlamMan | when dpkg -l lists files with status "rc", does that mean that everything but the config files have been removed from the machine? |
| 20:17.42 | gtlarue | just a normal lan |
| 20:17.43 | kerpal_ | God damn this IPX network.. |
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| 20:17.44 | maja | i aptgot the bluetooth patch as well |
| 20:17.46 | shingouz | black_Nightmare: most of the 2.4 and up shoudl have bt in the tree but that does not mean it is compiled |
| 20:17.52 | Lee__ | gtlarue: with DHCP? |
| 20:17.55 | gtlarue | PCMIA ethernet card connected to a cable modem |
| 20:17.59 | Eulex | anyone having any idea why pnpdump doesn't find any board? |
| 20:18.00 | gtlarue | yeah DHCP |
| 20:18.17 | kerpal_ | IPX it sounds sooo new.. |
| 20:18.18 | black_Nightmare | shing...you should be saying that TO maja...not me :p |
| 20:18.18 | Lee__ | gtlarue: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 |
| 20:18.24 | gtlarue | the installer is only detcting and configuring my onboard ethernet card whih is not operational anymore |
| 20:18.25 | shingouz | maja: a patch is useable only if you make a custom kernel from source, you can apt-get remove the patch |
| 20:18.26 | Lee__ | what's that say? |
| 20:18.48 | gtlarue | it doesnt seem to even be aware that eth1 exists |
| 20:18.59 | shingouz | black_Nightmare: no, to you. you told him to go check the kernel.org if his kernel supports bt |
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| 20:19.01 | maja | shingouz: thanks |
| 20:19.10 | Lee__ | ah. probably hasn't loaded the PCMCIA modules yet. is this sarge? |
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| 20:19.26 | gtlarue | not sure, ran it offa demudi install cd |
| 20:19.46 | gtlarue | is there a quck way to check? |
| 20:19.46 | black_Nightmare | brb |
| 20:19.47 | Lee__ | what?!?! Demudi is NOT debian. |
| 20:19.57 | shingouz | maja: in /boot you should see a few files with 'config' in them. pick the one with your kernel name on it and open the file up. check if you have somethign like bluetooth there. if you have it you can use it |
| 20:20.00 | gtlarue | indeed |
| 20:20.13 | Lee__ | try #demudi |
| 20:20.21 | Lee__ | or install sarge and check back here |
| 20:20.26 | Eulex | shingouz: maybe I should file a bug report about it? |
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| 20:20.48 | shingouz | Eulex: so what happened, what did you run again? |
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| 20:20.59 | gtlarue | well, the steps to get it working are almost the same |
| 20:21.09 | Lee__ | gtlarue: perhaps that almost is what's causing the problem? |
| 20:21.17 | bisquit | Another question - is there a package (or another fairly simple solution, one suitable to my skills) to enable Debian (KDE, mainly) also save in Microsoft's formats? (.doc etc) |
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| 20:21.32 | Lee__ | bisquit: apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 20:21.33 | shingouz | gtlarue: stop that please. you almost installed debian and we can almost support your install |
| 20:21.45 | valdyn | !ooO |
| 20:21.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ooo is OpenOffice.org a Office suite on par with M$ stuff see also abiword and OpenOffice.org, or http://www.apt-get.org/search.php?query=openoffice |
| 20:21.46 | Eulex | shingouz: I ran pnpdump, it scanned a lot of port addresses, but found nothing and the output ended with "No boards found" |
| 20:21.55 | bisquit | Lee, thanks :) Was actually wondering if that'd do the trick... I suppose koffice isn't enough then :) |
| 20:22.03 | gtlarue | yeah, I imagine it is the cd install that is weak, the net install that I had before detected and congifed my nic fine |
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| 20:22.13 | alec | I see that the release notes recommend aptitude over apt-get for the upgrade process; is apt-get on the way out, and is aptitude significantly preferred over apt-get? |
| 20:22.23 | shingouz | Eulex: try 'pnpdump --outputfile=/tmp/pnpdumptest' |
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| 20:22.41 | shingouz | then open up the resulting file with your favorite editor |
| 20:22.47 | plugwash | alec aptitude sometimes mades saner choices when upgrading than apt-get |
| 20:22.59 | valdyn | alec: when tested, aptitude worked for the upgrade, apt-get didnt, that is all |
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| 20:23.20 | alec | valdyn, plugwash, thanks |
| 20:23.24 | plugwash | valdyn correction aptitude worked for the upgrade more often that apt-get did |
| 20:23.33 | binaryc | my debian menu in gnome has double enties for every app. some googling told me i may have 2 .desktop files. I am not really sure if that is the problem or how to i fix it. |
| 20:23.39 | valdyn | plugwash: ops, yea |
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| 20:23.55 | plugwash | on one box i upgraded apttitude made some insane choices |
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| 20:24.01 | valdyn | binaryc: which debian release are you using? |
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| 20:24.17 | plugwash | i ended up using apt-get upgrade followed by some manual upgrading followed by apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:24.32 | valdyn | aptitude likes to guess what i want is my impression, and its guessing bad |
| 20:24.34 | afrosheen | way to go champ |
| 20:24.40 | toonX | how can i upgrade from sarge 64bit (stable) to etch 64bit(testing) ? just by changing in teh repositoryes "stable" with "testing" , and running aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
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| 20:24.54 | afrosheen | toonX, that'd be my best guess. |
| 20:25.01 | binaryc | valdyn: sid and yes the problem did come after i broke everything |
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| 20:25.04 | toonX | afrosheen ok |
| 20:25.06 | shingouz | toonX: supposedly works |
| 20:25.06 | Eulex | shingouz: no luck... that file does just contain the introduction message for pnpdump, a lot of lines like "# Trying port address xxx" and is ending with "# No boards found" |
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| 20:25.08 | valdyn | tools-lt: apt-get update too, but you probably knew that.. |
| 20:25.10 | intension | im installing on a scsi disk with raidcontroller but it seems the controller isnt found , does anyone know where i can verify ? |
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| 20:25.23 | shingouz | Eulex: you sure the sound is enabled in the bios? |
| 20:25.28 | toonX | shingouz ok |
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| 20:25.45 | Eulex | shingouz: how would I have it working with oss otherwise? |
| 20:25.48 | black_Nightmare | ughh forget it...I sometimes wonder why so many programs sometimes grab focus and interrupts you from doing something else you was doing |
| 20:25.49 | valdyn | binaryc: "broke everything" ? |
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| 20:26.16 | raf256 | where does mysql store its data base files? |
| 20:26.18 | shingouz | Eulex: uh.. black magic? |
| 20:26.30 | valdyn | BlackJudas|TWL: programs _cannot_ just grab focus generally. thats your wm / desktop environment. |
| 20:26.45 | valdyn | black_Nightmare: ^^^ |
| 20:27.01 | PolarWolf | raf256: /var/lib/mysql, iirc |
| 20:27.08 | shingouz | Eulex: waitaminute... do you have the correct io, irq and other parameters from the working oss install? |
| 20:27.16 | binaryc | valdyn- i apt-dist updraded and borked gnome with dependencie problems |
| 20:27.39 | Lee__ | valdyn: Gaim can be configured to do that. |
| 20:27.45 | binaryc | sorry for the slow responces i am swithching to devorak |
| 20:27.49 | Lee__ | but it's not a default |
| 20:28.02 | valdyn | binaryc: just wait a few days i guess and dist-upgrade again, and watch what dist-upgrade wants to remove next time, and just avoid running it when it wants to remove packages that you need. |
| 20:28.05 | Lee__ | dvorak!? oh man. |
| 20:28.20 | Cope | smetana is way better |
| 20:28.23 | Lee__ | !dvorak |
| 20:28.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dvorak is for typing better than qwerty :P, or the coolest layout ever, or at http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/, or for insecure men with small penises |
| 20:28.27 | black_Nightmare | valdyn...you know..it was not funny when once I had dvd movie playing and I was in one channel then another one tries to get the system tray focus and .. before I know it ... cpu was so sluggish and this damn client had frozen up while the dvd drive was throtting up to full noisy speed |
| 20:28.28 | shingouz | binaryc: be a Real Man (tm) and use DasKeyboard when trying to switch to dvorak ;) |
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| 20:28.45 | xiaogil | how to use recode to convert an html file from BIG5 to UTF-8, the --help and man are not clear for this command... ? |
| 20:28.52 | mrfrenzy | Cope: what's smetana? |
| 20:28.56 | Eulex | shingouz: playing is working with oss, but not recording... I think the reason is that oss tries the standard irq/io/dma settings... |
| 20:28.56 | black_Nightmare | killing both dvd player and this client..... explorer crashed and restarted itself....then the dvdrom dropped down its weird spinning |
| 20:28.57 | afrosheen | shingouz, or save yourself $100 and put black stickers on your keyboard |
| 20:29.00 | binaryc | i just use my old qwerty |
| 20:29.01 | black_Nightmare | go figure on that |
| 20:29.05 | Cope | mrfrenzy: another czech composer |
| 20:29.09 | Eulex | shingouz: yes, I have those |
| 20:29.11 | shingouz | afrosheen: true |
| 20:29.23 | Lee__ | how bout janaceck? |
| 20:29.30 | Eulex | shingouz: I can see the card by running lspnp... |
| 20:29.31 | Cope | yeah he rocks! |
| 20:29.43 | afrosheen | shingouz, the keyboard is just the old school, Sun-IBM-Dell clickety clack keyboard |
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| 20:29.55 | afrosheen | I love these, typing on one right now. |
| 20:30.10 | valdyn | black_Nightmare: you could use a WM that does not answer focus requests , I dont know details unfortunately. |
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| 20:30.23 | shingouz | Eulex: make a note of them, then remove all the oss modules and modconf the snd-cs42****** whatever module in place with the said parameters. the syntax could be a bit different though, modinfo should tell you hte correct syntax |
| 20:30.33 | shingouz | afrosheen: IBM M-type here |
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| 20:30.40 | afrosheen | ;) |
| 20:30.42 | binaryc | are they worth it, i am not completely happy with the laptop style board i am using now |
| 20:31.02 | shingouz | afrosheen: on a true-blue IBM PS/2 |
| 20:31.06 | FlimFlamMan | i'm looking at ircd-hybrid - says something about "cryptlinks" not compiled in - it seems this is server-to-server only? should the stock sarge ircd-hybrid support ssl connections with clients? |
| 20:31.15 | Eulex | shingouz: ok... how to modconf? |
| 20:31.20 | black_Nightmare | valdyn..yeah I think the real problem is with chatting clients that grab some kind of focus (tray or window whatever) at bad timings .. but then ... can't really blame anyone |
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| 20:31.26 | shingouz | Eulex: modconf :) |
| 20:31.27 | afrosheen | worth it? they're cheap and probably better than 90% of the keyboards out there right now. |
| 20:31.43 | Eulex | shingouz: then I haven't got it installed... |
| 20:31.44 | black_Nightmare | reminds me why I ratherly love smircle on my mac..it doesn't even try to take any focus at all (no menu flashing whatever) |
| 20:31.46 | Cope | I move around so many machines I stick to qwerty, but have a happyhacker at my desk at work |
| 20:32.00 | shingouz | Eulex: tell me what your kernel is befoer you install anything? |
| 20:32.22 | Eulex | shingouz: 2.6.8-2-686 debian stock |
| 20:32.31 | raf256 | mozilla thunderbird + enigmamail seems a bit unstable (sarge), or is it just me? |
| 20:32.36 | shingouz | Eulex: ok. |
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| 20:33.13 | shingouz | Eulex: i need a smoke or i will toss an IBM PS/2 out the window. the IBM would not suffer but the window might.. brb |
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| 20:34.01 | WiFiTux | !lol |
| 20:34.01 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 20:34.27 | plugwash | !etch pool |
| 20:34.27 | dpkg | from memory, etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 20:34.29 | cbr | do the debian repos get updated only once a day? |
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| 20:34.36 | WiFiTux | hhmm http://tcal.net/images/jesuslol.jpg could be added to !lol |
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| 20:34.56 | plugwash | cbr yes iirc the update process starts at midnight UTC |
| 20:35.04 | cbr | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 20:35.20 | WiFiTux | cbr: this other one is funny too. |
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| 20:35.40 | stranger | boy these arguments are something else over freedom: the hardware megacorps keep saying you are not taking our damn jobs, we need to eat...and the freedom fighters are saying...you are not taking our money with your proprietary and restricted hardware, we need to eat. |
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| 20:36.27 | paulswm | So why are there no Contents*gz files in the etch distro on the main US mirror? And haven't been for at least two days? |
| 20:36.29 | afrosheen | and my stomach is saying...you are not full, you need to eat. |
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| 20:36.54 | jim | stranger: ok |
| 20:37.02 | jim | got a debian question? |
| 20:37.21 | afrosheen | I have one |
| 20:37.22 | Lee__ | freedom fighters, you mean like the Christian Coalition or Al Queda? |
| 20:37.28 | afrosheen | what does debian have to do with stranger's comment |
| 20:37.46 | jim | Lee__: ok, but you're feeding the troll |
| 20:37.53 | stranger | jim, just a remaining samba issue which is really not that important to put all the MS people out of jobs....so that others can keep their money in order to eat |
| 20:37.54 | Lee__ | yummy |
| 20:38.00 | jim | well I guess we all are |
| 20:38.20 | abel | /quit |
| 20:38.36 | jim | jobs eat --> THAT WAY to #politics |
| 20:38.46 | paulswm | !prize jim |
| 20:38.49 | afrosheen | mmmm...jobs |
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| 20:39.13 | jim | stranger: eat your job |
| 20:39.15 | stranger | there is no point in discussing politics....RMS has made the issue very clear several times over at MIT |
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| 20:39.36 | jim | oh, ok... there is always #gnu |
| 20:39.36 | paulswm | Spaghetti bolognaise for me tonight, thanks to copyright law. |
| 20:39.50 | stranger | he has said many times that social benefits and public goods far exceed the value of private financial gain in order to eat |
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| 20:40.01 | jim | jobs eat --> THAT WAY to #politics |
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| 20:40.34 | stranger | if you read RMS you will see clearly that it is an ethical issue to give up your job |
| 20:40.38 | jim | jobs eat --> THAT WAY to #politics |
| 20:40.45 | paulswm | !aolify stranger |
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| 20:40.52 | mustard | are there any tools for extracting .exe archives? - for use with ndiswrapper |
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| 20:41.02 | jim | mustard: no |
| 20:41.07 | mustard | :-( |
| 20:41.09 | Lee__ | mustard: wine |
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| 20:41.16 | afrosheen | mustard, yes there is :) it's called 'unzip' |
| 20:41.28 | manuc66 | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg |
| 20:41.28 | afrosheen | most .exe driver files are just executable zips which you can unzip |
| 20:41.28 | jim | a .exe is a .zip? |
| 20:41.29 | mustard | afrosheen: it can't seen to cope with the .exe driver |
| 20:41.42 | mustard | I did try unzip driver.exe |
| 20:41.49 | afrosheen | that usually works |
| 20:41.55 | afrosheen | unless there's some bullshit installer |
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| 20:42.08 | mustard | ya I think it's an install shield type thing maybe |
| 20:42.14 | afrosheen | wine it |
| 20:42.22 | Lee__ | I did that once with wine. It worked good enough to extract the archive. |
| 20:42.26 | afrosheen | yeah me too |
| 20:42.33 | Lee__ | but ndiswrapper blew :) |
| 20:42.35 | afrosheen | you may have to kill it after it extracts |
| 20:42.46 | afrosheen | Lee__, some don't have a choice :( |
| 20:42.48 | mustard | oh dear - sledgehammer to crack a nut |
| 20:43.03 | mwe | mustard: but isn't there a link to a recommended driver for your card at ndiswrapper.sf.net? |
| 20:43.15 | afrosheen | what chipset is it mustard seed |
| 20:43.19 | nomed^ | i receive this error using gftp (ssh2) "Cannot open master pty" do know what it could be ? |
| 20:43.27 | FlimFlamMan | does anyone know if the default ircd-hybrid server supports SSL connections to clients? |
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| 20:43.54 | stranger | has anyone seen any new developments of freegl c++ code recently....and any reports of the freevidia cards |
| 20:43.55 | jim | nomed^: man gftp |
| 20:44.11 | jim | nomed^: or, paste the error message in google |
| 20:44.14 | stranger | to wipe out nvidia |
| 20:44.24 | afrosheen | stranger, what is that, a re-engineering of nvidia's proprietary drivers |
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| 20:44.42 | jim | nomed^: other than that, /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 20:44.56 | stranger | afrosheen, not just the drivers man....they are trying to free the hardware....the gpu designs, etc |
| 20:45.14 | xiaogil | Does someone knows the syntax for converting an HTML file from BIG5 to UTF-8 with the command recode ? (the --help and man are not clear for this command, nor google) |
| 20:45.20 | afrosheen | what's the point, free ATI first and maybe the world can get some drivers that work |
| 20:45.41 | intel4004 | if I add a raid box full of hds that are formatted ntfs and are full of movies can my linux system deal with tp play the movies? |
| 20:45.46 | nomed^ | it seems a problem with pty permission .. sice i switched to udev i've had this kind of problem .. for ex i couldn't use a pseudo-term if not logged in as su .. |
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| 20:45.54 | jim | xiaogil: maybe you need to learn how to read the synopsis sections of man pages |
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| 20:46.14 | afrosheen | intel4004, yeah but don't try to write to those |
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| 20:46.33 | intel4004 | I'll be pulling it to the system vix scsi |
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| 20:46.46 | intel4004 | the hotswap rack uses scsi |
| 20:46.51 | runedude | Hmm.. How do you make your computer use a static IP? |
| 20:46.59 | runedude | It keeps using DHCP and keeps changing |
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| 20:47.02 | shingouz | runedude: man interfaces |
| 20:47.02 | afrosheen | intel4004, irrelevant...just remember, NTFS = bad...readonly. |
| 20:47.02 | valdyn | !faqsmit runedude |
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| 20:47.09 | valdyn | !faqsmite runedude |
| 20:47.10 | dpkg | runedude: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:47.12 | runedude | lol |
| 20:47.12 | jim | runedude: look at interfaces.gz |
| 20:47.30 | runedude | well... I'd use the faq, but im using tinysofa, and its not exactly "debian" , but its like it |
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| 20:47.39 | mwe | shingouz: /etc/network/interfaces irc |
| 20:47.52 | Lee__ | runedude: then we can kind of like help you maybe |
| 20:47.53 | shingouz | runedude: and you ask on #debian? wrong place man |
| 20:47.58 | jim | it might be somewhere around /usr/share/doc/ifupdown |
| 20:48.01 | runedude | hmm |
| 20:48.02 | shingouz | mwe: i know |
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| 20:48.10 | fwest | has anyone setup two openvpn one peer to peer and one a multi client, and have them route from the client to peered network |
| 20:48.11 | xiaogil | jim: have you tried "recode" already ? |
| 20:48.14 | [Granger] | !basedondebian |
| 20:48.18 | mwe | shingouz: yeah wrong nick :) |
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| 20:48.19 | [Granger] | !debianbased |
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| 20:48.23 | [Granger] | bah |
| 20:48.28 | runedude | well I know its the wrong place, im not new to freenode, I am just wondering if any of you know a system default for network settings.. seems to be different on all distros |
| 20:48.29 | [Granger] | would someone use that |
| 20:48.30 | jim | runedude: how can we know what your dist needs? you need to explore |
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| 20:48.43 | shingouz | man interfaces, runedude |
| 20:48.47 | Lee__ | !based on debian |
| 20:48.47 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 20:48.48 | jim | xiaogil: have you learned how to read synopsis sections already? |
| 20:48.48 | runedude | jim: i dont expect everyone to help or know |
| 20:48.49 | mustard | afrosheen: sorry - the wifi card is a belkin - lspci says bcm4306 |
| 20:49.03 | jim | runedude: good... so you should look at that file |
| 20:49.06 | valdyn | runedude: all we know is already in the faq. |
| 20:49.06 | runedude | My distro doesnt have a channel! |
| 20:49.09 | jim | and also man interfaces |
| 20:49.11 | afrosheen | mustard, ah, the venerable broadcom chipset |
| 20:49.12 | shingouz | runedude: on debian it is in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:49.15 | runedude | k |
| 20:49.16 | jesperj | a friend gets no output at all when she does "fdisk -l". Ive never experienced that. what does that mean? |
| 20:49.18 | runedude | ty shingouz |
| 20:49.20 | Lee__ | !knoppixsmite runedude |
| 20:49.23 | afrosheen | mustard, get dell's drivers for it, they'll unzip |
| 20:49.30 | jim | runedude: no channel for your dist??! blasphemity! |
| 20:49.36 | mustard | afrosheen: thanks |
| 20:49.38 | shingouz | !camelsmite runedude |
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| 20:49.42 | shingouz | ;) |
| 20:49.44 | runedude | listen, i dont expect you all to flood me with all this "go to your channel" I'm just asking people who KNOW |
| 20:49.49 | intel4004 | I know Xandros is funny on new install < some times it finds the broadband lan and sets itself up and other times you have to do it by hand |
| 20:49.52 | runedude | If you dont know, thats fine |
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| 20:50.00 | shingouz | hehehe... sorry.. :) |
| 20:50.11 | jim | runedude: I'm TELLING YOU NOW what you need to do |
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| 20:50.19 | jim | have you TRIED TO DO IT yet? |
| 20:50.21 | runedude | jim: there is no #tinysofa |
| 20:50.22 | Lee__ | configuring interfaces are something that are specific to distros. you will have to consult with your distro. |
| 20:50.27 | runedude | ah ok Lee__ |
| 20:50.30 | xiaogil | jim: how can one be such agressive... |
| 20:50.40 | Cope | runedude: then run a sensible, well-supported distro |
| 20:50.40 | kardiel | Is there packages of xorg in debian 3.1? |
| 20:50.40 | Lee__ | if your distro doesn't have support, you may want to find another distro. |
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| 20:50.44 | tarzeau | kardiel: no |
| 20:50.46 | kardiel | or is xfree86 default |
| 20:50.47 | kardiel | ? |
| 20:50.49 | shingouz | runedude: maybe you need to set it up then? |
| 20:50.50 | runedude | Cope: it is well supported |
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| 20:50.53 | Rydekull | hmm, anyone able to appraise how much I can sell a SGI Onyx for? http://ateliermusee.web.infoseek.co.jp/html/05-computer/photo/sgi/onyx-01.jpg |
| 20:50.53 | tarzeau | kardiel: yes |
| 20:50.56 | runedude | shingouz: I do? |
| 20:50.59 | shingouz | kardiel: no xorg yet |
| 20:51.03 | shingouz | runedude: why not |
| 20:51.05 | jim | xiaogil: I'm looking at the man page right now... it's perfectly clear to me |
| 20:51.13 | runedude | because.. im not a distro owner or anything |
| 20:51.15 | kardiel | tarzeau, ok, hm.. if i have an ati 9250 card .. shall i use xorg or xfree86 for best performance? |
| 20:51.18 | Cope | runedude: then go and ask on the mailing list / whatever support infrastructure there is. |
| 20:51.22 | runedude | hmm |
| 20:51.23 | xiaogil | jim: you mean, the manpage of recode ? |
| 20:51.26 | stranger | and then you have the problem with the Brazilians saying "there is no way in hell we can understand this stuff....the code in the kernel and the cpus and the interfaces and the gpus is overwhelming to us....we are just a 3rd world country |
| 20:51.28 | runedude | there isnt really any support |
| 20:51.39 | stranger | they appear that they don't even want to try |
| 20:51.41 | jim | runedude: what did I tell you to do? (it wasn't "join some channel") |
| 20:51.42 | tarzeau | kardiel: xorg doesn't exist |
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| 20:51.52 | Cope | runedude: ok - so its well supported, but there isn't really any support. |
| 20:51.53 | tarzeau | Rydekull: can it run debian? |
| 20:51.54 | runedude | jim: look @ the faq |
| 20:51.54 | shingouz | runedude: so? i do not think that would matter. ask The Man if he has any plans on a support channel and tell him about your idea |
| 20:52.02 | Rydekull | tarzeau: it's a mips-processor |
| 20:52.06 | runedude | Cope: i meant, they have a irc channel, buts its small |
| 20:52.10 | tarzeau | Rydekull: that's not the answer to my question |
| 20:52.11 | jim | runedude: that was one thing, yes. what else? |
| 20:52.12 | csmiller | Hi. I'm trying to get my speedtocuh 330 working on Sarge. I've followed the inst. on http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/SpeedTouch/docs/sargehowto.html, |
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| 20:52.14 | Cope | runedude: ok |
| 20:52.15 | runedude | jim: i forget |
| 20:52.20 | runedude | Cope: and i lost the address |
| 20:52.23 | tarzeau | Rydekull: i have two mips processor computers here, and they both don't run debian |
| 20:52.25 | runedude | its a standalone server |
| 20:52.30 | jim | ohhh, the plot thickens :P |
| 20:52.45 | tarzeau | Rydekull: which mips cpu does it have? |
| 20:52.46 | jim | runedude: look at interfaces.gz |
| 20:52.49 | runedude | jim: ok |
| 20:52.52 | jim | it might be somewhere around /usr/share/doc/ifupdown |
| 20:53.05 | csmiller | but I suspect thier out of date. There was already a speedtouch (not speedtch) hotplug. ifconfig -a isn't listing my atm connection (PPPoA) |
| 20:53.06 | mustard | afrosheen: turns out I did have the dell driver. unzip extracted it, but I have no .inf file, only .sys and .ini files |
| 20:53.06 | runedude | ok, ill do that in a few |
| 20:53.31 | shingouz | csmiller: on one line if possible, hard to read the question that way |
| 20:53.36 | Cope | runedude: no offence, but have you actuakky read man interfaces? |
| 20:53.39 | jim | also in section 5 of your manual you should have man page for the expected file format of the file "interfaces" |
| 20:53.50 | runedude | Cope: didnt work |
| 20:53.55 | csmiller | sorry, forgot... |
| 20:53.55 | Cope | nice |
| 20:53.56 | Rydekull | tarzeau: I just recieved it yesterday, two actually and are to sell one and experiment with the other, havnt tried debian on it yet, just Irix 6.3 :P |
| 20:54.01 | afrosheen | mustard, is this on a laptop or what |
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| 20:54.08 | stranger | but it is very sad that the Brazilians would rather just hander over ALL thier money to the proprietary hardware corporations rather than try to free themselves |
| 20:54.14 | mwe | mustard: but isn't there a link to a recommended driver for your card at ndiswrapper.sf.net? |
| 20:54.15 | mustard | afrosheen: no, it;s a pci for a desktop |
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| 20:54.25 | shingouz | runedude: i think you are about alone with the support issue then, you just need to find out where the settings are stored on that distro |
| 20:54.27 | afrosheen | mustard, no windows box handy? |
| 20:54.31 | stranger | i believe they are capable of writing their own InterProcess Communications inside the Kernel if they try |
| 20:54.32 | jim | stranger: please stop trolling |
| 20:54.33 | mustard | mwe: hm I'll look |
| 20:54.36 | csmiller | reading it atm |
| 20:54.38 | Cope | so you have a distro with no support, one unknown irc channel, whose system documentation doesn't work, and which isn't debian, and you expect a warm reception? That's optimism. |
| 20:54.38 | jim | stranger: please stop trolling |
| 20:54.38 | mustard | afrosheen: sadly? no |
| 20:54.48 | runedude | shingouz: yeah |
| 20:54.59 | mwe | mustard: using an untested driver can cause all kinds of problems - it did for me |
| 20:55.04 | intel4004 | maybe the Brazilians could use some ssocket 370 mobos since one here is making them anymore |
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| 20:55.06 | stranger | jim, it is not trolling...RMS started this in 1984 and it is still going. |
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| 20:55.17 | xiaogil | jim: if you understand how this recode command works, could you please tell me an example of conversion of a file A.html to a file B.html, from an encoding X to an encoding Y ? |
| 20:55.21 | shingouz | runedude: isn't there anything else yuo could run on the box? something with a bit better support? |
| 20:55.25 | jim | stranger: go tell it on #gnu |
| 20:55.29 | jim | stranger: please stop trolling |
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| 20:55.57 | runedude | shingouz: well, i rather not.. i mean, i really like tinysofa |
| 20:56.06 | afrosheen | mustard, I'll see if I can rip the inf out and dcc it to you, hang ten |
| 20:56.07 | jim | xiaogil: no... learn how to read the syntax specifications in the SYNOPSIS sections of all man pages |
| 20:56.14 | runedude | I'm going to wait until my new cdwriter comes in a few days. |
| 20:56.17 | mustard | thanks afrosheen |
| 20:56.30 | Cope | runedude: what does grep dhcp /etc/network/interfaces say? |
| 20:56.44 | shingouz | runedude: i sure hope you can figure out where the settings are stored |
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| 20:56.52 | runedude | btw, I'm really sorry for erm.. going where I'm not supposed to.. you know, its just really frustrating when your distro doesnt have a support place |
| 20:56.53 | csmiller | adding "ifcace atm inet dhcp" didn't help |
| 20:57.06 | runedude | Cope: no such file |
| 20:57.09 | Lee__ | yeah, frusturing enough to pick another one |
| 20:57.11 | runedude | shingouz: yeah.. me too, lol |
| 20:57.18 | runedude | I think tinysofa is more like redhat, then debian |
| 20:57.35 | shingouz | runedude: what packages does it use? |
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| 20:57.42 | Lee__ | rebian? |
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| 20:57.51 | csmiller | cope its "auto lo"\n "iface lo inet loopback"\n "iface eth0 inet dhcp"\n |
| 20:57.53 | Lee__ | debhat? |
| 20:57.55 | jim | runedude: you will have to explore your dist. it's not debian, and given that, it's not supported here... if you fail to read your documentation, are you expecting us to (1) read it for you, (2) figure out what it means and finally (3) tutor you? |
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| 20:58.04 | runedude | It uses apt, but.. it uses rpms |
| 20:58.06 | runedude | jim: yeah |
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| 20:58.13 | jim | not gonna happen |
| 20:58.15 | Lee__ | I'll do it for US $100/hour |
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| 20:58.31 | afrosheen | mustard, did you look in the AR subdirectory yet |
| 20:58.41 | shingouz | runedude: deadrat would be a good place to check for some hints on it. uh.. s/deadrat/redhat ;) |
| 20:58.46 | jim | runedude: Lee__ just made you an offer |
| 20:58.58 | csmiller | csmiller obviously there isn't quotes in it, and \n means newlines |
| 20:59.04 | afrosheen | redhat misspelled is hatred |
| 20:59.08 | runedude | jim: for what/ |
| 20:59.17 | xiaogil | jim: ... |
| 20:59.21 | intel4004 | here's the joke of the day: I fond a MS howto page on setting up a "small VPN" it requires a server2003 enterprise, a server2003 dns server, a server2003 web server and an extra server 2003 that I can't understand what it does |
| 20:59.22 | mustard | afrosheen: yep, got bcmwl5.inf bcmwl5a.inf |
| 20:59.29 | afrosheen | mustard, there you go champ |
| 20:59.45 | mustard | thanks afrosheen - does it matter which one I try? |
| 20:59.47 | Lee__ | intel4004: gotta love "windows integration" |
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| 20:59.55 | afrosheen | mustard, I believe it's the 'a' one |
| 20:59.57 | jim | runedude: to interpret the off-topic docs and spoon-feed them to you while holding your hand and walking you through everything... $100/hour |
| 21:00.15 | runedude | oh its ok, i got it by myself |
| 21:00.22 | valdyn | tinysofa.org looks like an april fools joke or uh, bullshit |
| 21:00.23 | runedude | I'll figure it out, eventually. |
| 21:00.31 | runedude | valdyn: its not |
| 21:00.31 | mustard | thanks for all your time afrosheen |
| 21:00.35 | jim | runedude: excellent work. you can learn from that. |
| 21:00.40 | WiFiTux | can someone reccomend a nice app to do or make a radio with my web server? I mean, I want to be able to get streamed music from my server. |
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| 21:00.45 | afrosheen | mustard, no problem at all..I know the ndiswrapper stuff can be tricky |
| 21:00.55 | csmiller | icecast? |
| 21:00.58 | petemc | WiFiTux: apache has a module for that |
| 21:00.58 | Lee__ | WiFiTux: /get/ or /broadcast/? |
| 21:01.06 | Cope | runedude: looking at the webpage, it looks quite young; |
| 21:01.07 | valdyn | runedude: yea right, "the only free enterprise distro" with no real support. |
| 21:01.10 | WiFiTux | csmiller: easy? |
| 21:01.21 | runedude | yeah |
| 21:01.23 | runedude | it is young |
| 21:01.24 | WiFiTux | petemc: hhmm I will search for that to. |
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| 21:01.28 | Lee__ | WiFiTux: apt-get install icecast2 |
| 21:01.31 | DaBlade | Hello. |
| 21:01.33 | WiFiTux | Lee__: cool |
| 21:01.34 | jim | runedude, http://www.tinysofa.org/documentation/index.cgi?TwoPointZero |
| 21:01.39 | Cope | runedude: what attracted you to it? |
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| 21:01.49 | runedude | Cope: a few friends, being apart of a shell project |
| 21:01.53 | DaBlade | I'm considering switching to Debian, but I wanna know some things. Anyone care to help? |
| 21:01.58 | xiaogil | jim: when you don't want to help, just don't lose your time answering next time, 'cause everybody knows this kind of answer, and it just doesn't help at all |
| 21:02.09 | valdyn | !tell DaBlade about ask |
| 21:02.11 | afrosheen | DaBlade, just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 21:02.16 | DaBlade | ok |
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| 21:02.24 | Eulex | jim: are *you* reading the tinysofa doc? |
| 21:02.25 | DaBlade | Is it hard to install Xorg? |
| 21:02.29 | jim | xiaogil: actually it does... but if you refuse to learn from it, you're not helping |
| 21:02.32 | ogg | hi |
| 21:02.36 | DaBlade | And is it hard to upgrade to 2.6.x? |
| 21:02.39 | jim | Eulex: not on your life :) |
| 21:02.47 | shingouz | DaBlade: xorg is not in debian yet |
| 21:02.50 | WiFiTux | petemc: libapache-mode-mp3? is it easy? |
| 21:02.52 | PolarWolf | DaBlade: Depends. I grabbed X.org from ubuntu, and it went flawless, really. |
| 21:02.53 | jim | just that I found it in one click |
| 21:02.57 | shingouz | DaBlade: you can install with a 2.6 |
| 21:02.59 | petemc | WiFiTux: ive never used it |
| 21:03.01 | DaBlade | I'm using Kubuntu now |
| 21:03.04 | ogg | xfree > xorg |
| 21:03.05 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 21:03.06 | FlimFlamMan | is there a preferred irc server that provides SSL connections to clients in the sarge repository? |
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| 21:03.16 | ogg | never xorg |
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| 21:03.23 | DaBlade | I can? I was under the impression that debian didn't work well with a new kernel..only the old 2.4 ones |
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| 21:03.37 | afrosheen | DaBlade, why move from kubuntu to debian? |
| 21:03.37 | PolarWolf | DaBlade: You were misinformed |
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| 21:03.41 | shingouz | DaBlade: and where the hell did you get taht information then? |
| 21:03.42 | takatumi | DaBlade: once it's packaged installing it would probably be apt-get install xserver-xorg, kernel upgrades are easy. |
| 21:03.56 | jim | ogg: why? license issues for xfree86 are becoming problematic... what is anyone to do? |
| 21:04.13 | ogg | xorg = rh? |
| 21:04.14 | DaBlade | afrosheen: I don't really know...just feel like trying something new. I know *buntu is similar to deb, but it's not the real thing |
| 21:04.23 | Eulex | xorg != rh |
| 21:04.32 | Cope | runedude: good luck; I would honestly advise you to stick with a tried and tested distro with a good pedigree and *lots* of support; but I hope you have fun. |
| 21:04.33 | ogg | (backhand...) |
| 21:04.33 | afrosheen | DaBlade, yeah, that's true, it's based on debian but like 3 years advanced from it ;) |
| 21:04.34 | streuner | afrosheen: thats not the question here in #debian |
| 21:04.49 | streuner | afrosheen: troll somewhere else |
| 21:05.00 | DaBlade | yeah...but I figured Debian probably has some advantages too |
| 21:05.03 | runedude | Cope: haha thanks |
| 21:05.10 | csmiller | anyone know how to set up a ATM interface? |
| 21:05.24 | DaBlade | like for example, to just be able to compile apps, I had to install a lot of stuff like GCC here. even Fedora had that |
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| 21:05.25 | shingouz | DaBlade: better support at least. not sure about our friendliness though ;) |
| 21:05.33 | PolarWolf | DaBlade: In your case, it doesn't matter at all. You'd be just as pleased with Suse, Redhat, Mandrake or whatever else user centric distribution |
| 21:05.37 | ogg | rh->fedora->xorg->gnome->gtk |
| 21:05.43 | Cope | !anyone know |
| 21:05.43 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 21:05.55 | ogg | standard in the hand |
| 21:06.00 | runedude | hmm problem is, I got no monitor, so I cant reinstall anything, also.. I have no cdwriter atm, so I cant pick another distro |
| 21:06.01 | petemc | ogg: what are you on about? |
| 21:06.16 | ogg | xfree |
| 21:06.19 | jim | runedude: either way (debian or the dist you're running now), you'll be reading more than you ever thought possible... you -have- to devote time and braincells to your own technical knowledge... and you can't expect people to feed you all the time (sometimes, sure, why not) when there are already materials written you can take advantage of |
| 21:06.19 | Cope | runedude: pxe? floppy? |
| 21:06.25 | runedude | Cope: pxe? |
| 21:06.30 | ogg | pxe? |
| 21:06.35 | runedude | jim: :) |
| 21:06.42 | ogg | hehe:) |
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| 21:06.42 | DaBlade | PolarWolf: I wanna try other distros. Wether they're end user focused or not doesn't matter...I've tried Mandrake, Fedora (FC2 and FC3), Knoppix, Ubuntu and now Kubuntu |
| 21:06.49 | ogg | pxe = nothing |
| 21:06.50 | DaBlade | After Fedora, I wanna try Gentoo. |
| 21:06.59 | afrosheen | DaBlade, try freebsd or openbsd if you're bored |
| 21:07.00 | runedude | I've tried CentOS :) That's a good distro too. |
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| 21:07.02 | shingouz | runedude: of course it is possible, debian can be isntalled completely off the network with debootstrap and a few other tools. not for newbies though |
| 21:07.03 | csmiller | I tried to follow the instruction at http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/SpeedTouch/docs/sargehowto.html to get my Speedtouch 330 working. ifconfig -a isn't listing a atm interface |
| 21:07.05 | PolarWolf | DaBlade: Why? |
| 21:07.15 | afrosheen | runedude, isn't centos some kind of left-handed redhat? |
| 21:07.18 | runedude | shingouz: installed off a network? er.. network boot? |
| 21:07.21 | runedude | afrosheen: yeah. |
| 21:07.25 | shingouz | DaBlade: just go for it and install Sarge on the box |
| 21:07.28 | bwlang | so one of the drives in my ide raid just failed... i was able to unplug the device and the system registered the degraded event.. but now the replacement drive is not being recognized automatically.... i know how to trigger a review of the scsi bus- but how do you trigger an ide bus scan? |
| 21:07.35 | PolarWolf | afrosheen: recompiled from source RPMS with all RH IP removed |
| 21:07.35 | DaBlade | afrosheen: nope, not BSD. I'm a P2P-er, and I doubt BSD is good for file sharing and media playback ;) |
| 21:07.37 | shingouz | !tell runedude about chroot install |
| 21:07.45 | jim | runedude: I'm not trying to diss you or anyone here... but I am letting you know what it's like in this area... you have to direct some of your own education; it's a must |
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| 21:07.48 | ogg | woody+backport = bug free |
| 21:07.48 | xiaogil | jim: okay, but i didn't even understand how to read what you told me to read, and i used so many commands before that i have no hope that reading a guide about the Synopsis will help. I'm asking here to avoid having to read guides of guides of guides... for a small problem for which many talentuous hackers like you know the answer |
| 21:07.49 | shingouz | runedude: that one is definitely not for first timers |
| 21:07.54 | A[D]minS | what is package= mplayer-gui ? |
| 21:07.57 | PolarWolf | afrosheen: Shit like icons, graphics, fonts, etc |
| 21:07.59 | runedude | jim: yeah |
| 21:07.59 | DaBlade | shingouz: No really specific reason...just feel like it. Haven't got a lot to do |
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| 21:08.03 | jim | xiaogil: ok,,, |
| 21:08.07 | runedude | shingouz: :P |
| 21:08.07 | intel4004 | what magic spell do I need to know to apt-get Azureus? |
| 21:08.09 | afrosheen | PolarWolf, and with mp3 stuff re-added right |
| 21:08.11 | runedude | I've installed debian a few times.. |
| 21:08.12 | Cope | DaBlade: best not to make such bold conjectures without evidence - it can make you look foolish ;-) |
| 21:08.12 | DaBlade | besides, a thing about *buntu is pissing me off |
| 21:08.18 | runedude | A few times under vmware, a few times from floppy |
| 21:08.20 | afrosheen | intel4004, dude it's java, just grab it and install it :) |
| 21:08.23 | ogg | DaBlade: ? |
| 21:08.27 | shingouz | runedude: what i am saying is that it is doable, not easy but doable |
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| 21:08.28 | valdyn | intel4004: apt-get install azureus |
| 21:08.35 | DaBlade | Cope: I don't know if *BSD can do that, but from what I've seen, it can't... |
| 21:08.42 | ogg | ubuntu = rh debian? |
| 21:08.44 | runedude | shingouz: er.. so.. If your bios supports "Network Boot" how do you do it? |
| 21:08.44 | Dragon-Eater | \Hello guys, i have a problem, i have a computer were i have installed mysql on it, however when he wants to go load it it just freezes and doesnt respond not even to ctrl + C , how can i get all my mysql pieces backupped without going in shell? |
| 21:08.45 | intel4004 | says it can't fin dit |
| 21:08.50 | ogg | ubuntu = hp debian? |
| 21:08.55 | jim | xiaogil: do you know what [ and | and ] mean? howbout ... and { and }? |
| 21:08.56 | afrosheen | intel4004, can't find what? |
| 21:08.58 | valdyn | !info azureus |
| 21:09.00 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4543 kB, Installed size: 5156 kB |
| 21:09.01 | PolarWolf | DaBlade: Do what, steal copyrighted material? Sure it can, it comes with the same software as lin00ks. |
| 21:09.01 | DaBlade | I mean, I download movies all the time. Is there an XviD decoder for *buntu |
| 21:09.12 | valdyn | intel4004: it is in contrib |
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| 21:09.25 | intel4004 | their is only about packages of it |
| 21:09.25 | takatumi | ogg: you seem terrible at logic. |
| 21:09.30 | maher | ogg: ubuntu = canonical debian |
| 21:09.31 | cinix | DaBlade, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats |
| 21:09.33 | shingouz | runedude: no idea but you do have a runnig linux system there now, dont you? use debootstrap and chroot creatively and you can get a debian system on it. check what dpkg told you |
| 21:09.40 | ogg | (hehe...) |
| 21:09.42 | jim | DaBlade: don't tell us that :P we don't want to hear about you downloading things that owners want you to buy |
| 21:09.42 | runedude | shingouz: ooooo, kinky |
| 21:09.47 | runedude | shingouz: sounds hard as shit |
| 21:09.47 | jim | that's stealing |
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| 21:09.57 | csmiller | how does debian know what device is "eth0"? I couldn't find it listed, except in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:10.00 | DaBlade | PolarWolf: For something to be stolen, it has to disappear from the owner. Is that the case with P2P? Neither the people I download it from, nor the big fat movie industry that are getting more and more profits have lost anything |
| 21:10.03 | ogg | gentoo = m$ linux? |
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| 21:10.10 | xiaogil | jim: I know "|" for when using things like "cat myfile | grep myword" |
| 21:10.15 | runedude | ogg: dont be dissing gentoo.. It's a good distro :) |
| 21:10.16 | jim | DaBlade: rationalize all you want |
| 21:10.21 | PolarWolf | DaBlade: Keep deluding yourself, dude |
| 21:10.21 | maher | csmiller: the kernel names it - use ifrename to change the name |
| 21:10.25 | afrosheen | DaBlade, just like with debian, you have to edit your apt sources and add non-free and non-us stuff to get codecs and whatnot |
| 21:10.25 | xiaogil | jim: It means also OR in regexp |
| 21:10.26 | shingouz | runedude: depends on what you eat. not that i really want to know... actually a chroot is not too bad but over the network it could get a bit hairy |
| 21:10.27 | Cope | runedude: its not easy, but you'll learn a hell of a lot from trying; and as jim keep saying, you'll learn how to learn, how to find answers, and how to read documentation. |
| 21:10.29 | runedude | gentoo is very tough though. |
| 21:10.37 | Dragon-Eater | Hello guys, i have a problem, i have a computer were i have installed linux on and mysql on it, however when he wants to go load it it just freezes and doesnt respond not even to ctrl + C , how can i get all my mysql pieces backupped without going in shell? |
| 21:10.38 | DaBlade | But there's one thing that's pissing me off about *buntu, and that's the real reason I wanna try Deb |
| 21:10.46 | shingouz | afrosheen: there is no non-us anymore |
| 21:10.49 | runedude | shingouz: perhaps it would be more sufficent to do a floppy boot :) |
| 21:10.54 | afrosheen | ok well non-free then |
| 21:10.55 | jim | xiaogil: ahh, in the SYNOPSIS section, | means "alternation" or "or" |
| 21:11.06 | runedude | ill go haul a monitor up from downstairs |
| 21:11.08 | DaBlade | And that's that Transcode just can't be installed. I tried all kinds of ways. Including apt, forcing dependencies, compilation, forcing different versions, used alien etc... |
| 21:11.08 | streuner | DaBlade: and whats that? |
| 21:11.09 | ogg | ||||||||||||||||||||| |
| 21:11.09 | jim | so if you see: |
| 21:11.18 | IneedHELPserious | A|B != C |
| 21:11.19 | jim | foo | bar |
| 21:11.21 | ozzloy | i have a usb logitech webcam, please help me make it work |
| 21:11.24 | maher | IneedHELPserious: run debsums to check for file corruption |
| 21:11.28 | shingouz | runedude: that is doable too but for that you would need a monitor. i think the whole boot floppy thingie is two floppies |
| 21:11.37 | runedude | shingouz: yeah |
| 21:11.38 | stranger | WiFiTux, well actually there is a free tv and radio broadcast now for anyone interested...i think it is coming from UK |
| 21:11.40 | jim | it means it's correct syntax to pick either foo or bar |
| 21:11.42 | runedude | shingouz: i got both ;) |
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| 21:11.47 | runedude | and im going to go haul a monitor in here |
| 21:11.52 | IneedHELPserious | maher the whole shell has had it, its not restoreable i need it back WITHOUT going in the shell.. |
| 21:11.53 | jim | xiaogil: understand so far? |
| 21:11.53 | Cope | runedude: good move :-) |
| 21:12.04 | stranger | WiFiTux, i forget the website but i could find it again |
| 21:12.08 | maher | IneedHELPserious: do you have local access |
| 21:12.08 | csmiller | shingouz - how do I find my atm interface. Unfortunatly the usb-cable modem that should provide it is attached to this PC running Redmond Quality Software(TM) |
| 21:12.15 | IneedHELPserious | yes maher |
| 21:12.15 | shingouz | runedude: go for it, be bold and install debian on it. sarge, etch is acceptable but do not even think about sid |
| 21:12.15 | PolarWolf | You know what I dislike about distro hoppers? There's never a good reason to, usually only "Application X doesn't work and I hope it will on distro Y" |
| 21:12.29 | Eulex | shingouz: I have tried to modconf snd-cs4236 now... with the parameters isapnp=0 dma1=0 irq=5 cport=210 port=530, but inserting that module fails with "no such device" |
| 21:12.32 | maher | IneedHELPserious: do you have a live cd or useful boot disk like toms root boot disk? |
| 21:12.34 | runedude | problem is here is the thing, I have ubuntu Cds, or I can make debian floppies, which is better? |
| 21:12.44 | runedude | etch? :o new release? |
| 21:12.47 | PolarWolf | I also dislike people who recommend to switch distribution as an answer to problems |
| 21:12.51 | jim | xiaogil: see... I'm -willing- to show you this stuff, because it will help you with the syntax of ANY COMMAND |
| 21:12.52 | runedude | I used to run sid on a desktop |
| 21:12.55 | shingouz | csmiller: i have no clue on how to install the speedytouch on debian much less on windows |
| 21:12.56 | paulswm | DaBlade: If you knowingly break copyright law, you are nothing more than a common thief. MY own living, and many others, depend on intellectual property law with reagrd to the movie industry. |
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| 21:12.56 | streuner | runedude: are you serious? |
| 21:12.57 | nforbes | How stable is etch? |
| 21:12.58 | afrosheen | PolarWolf, well you have to admit that each distro garners a certain type of community, some people don't 'feel at home' in distro X as a result. |
| 21:13.00 | Cope | runedude: that's a silly question in #debian :-) Get the floppies. |
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| 21:13.04 | runedude | streuner: yes |
| 21:13.06 | shingouz | runedude: debian floppies |
| 21:13.10 | streuner | runedude: asking in #debian? :-) |
| 21:13.10 | PolarWolf | afrosheen: Sure, but that would be a reason. |
| 21:13.11 | jim | nforbes: it jsut started :P |
| 21:13.15 | runedude | streuner: lol |
| 21:13.16 | afrosheen | PolarWolf, haha yeah |
| 21:13.18 | runedude | sorry :( |
| 21:13.18 | maher | IneedHELPserious: boot your live cd and either chroot in or just copy off what you need |
| 21:13.23 | runedude | i mean which is better for server |
| 21:13.24 | runedude | lol |
| 21:13.28 | shingouz | nforbes: it is testing, it may very well break |
| 21:13.30 | runedude | ok ok |
| 21:13.31 | csmiller | its working fine on Windows (borrowed PC), but I want it to work on my Sarge box. |
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| 21:13.37 | DaBlade | PolarWolf: I'm not your regular distrohopper. I've been using Fedora for months. At the end it started having lots of problems, and I decided to try *buntu... then I couldn't install transcode, which is required to rip DVDs |
| 21:13.38 | Cope | runedude: get used to it - debian is best for everything ;-) |
| 21:13.47 | streuner | runedude: servers in debian are usually _very_ stable |
| 21:13.48 | DaBlade | Anyway, gotta go. |
| 21:13.49 | nforbes | shingouz, Well, I'm aware of that |
| 21:13.49 | IneedHELPserious | maher: but how and where are mysql data stored? i cant lose the db, it has alot of value in it. |
| 21:13.50 | DaBlade | adios people |
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| 21:13.53 | xiaogil | jim: I'm trying to understand what's wrong in the command "recode 00001.html > test.html", where I expect it to convert 00001.html from BIG5 to my locale encoding which is UTF-8 |
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| 21:13.56 | jim | that's a stretch... |
| 21:13.59 | streuner | runedude: lot of people swear to it |
| 21:13.59 | runedude | streuner: good |
| 21:14.00 | PolarWolf | O.o |
| 21:14.02 | runedude | Cope: :P |
| 21:14.03 | nforbes | But are there any like critical bugs that would prevent me from installing it or anything? |
| 21:14.04 | runedude | streuner: lol |
| 21:14.06 | maher | IneedHELPserious: try chrooting in and see if the shell works |
| 21:14.07 | nforbes | I'm hoping not |
| 21:14.07 | jim | so it'll be in etch |
| 21:14.11 | csmiller | I only borrowed this PC so I could check the 'net and here, whilst I was sitting beside my home PC |
| 21:14.14 | shingouz | streuner: some also swear at it ;) |
| 21:14.14 | jim | with which you can make a sketch |
| 21:14.21 | IneedHELPserious | maher how you mean chroot? |
| 21:14.22 | maher | IneedHELPserious: the db file sshould be in /var somewhere |
| 21:14.25 | jim | if it's bad, you'll retch |
| 21:14.28 | streuner | shingouz: well :-) |
| 21:14.28 | runedude | 2 floppies you say? |
| 21:14.36 | jim | and say "ugh! bletch!" |
| 21:14.42 | maher | IneedHELPserious: mount the hd drive to /mnt say, and then do chroot /mnt |
| 21:14.45 | streuner | shingouz: iam sure he knows what i mean |
| 21:14.47 | shingouz | runedude: two should be enough but if you have three get the net disk too |
| 21:14.49 | paulswm | !poetrysmite jim |
| 21:14.52 | paulswm | :( |
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| 21:15.03 | shingouz | paulswm: vogon peotry? |
| 21:15.07 | shingouz | poetry even |
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| 21:15.11 | paulswm | shingouz: HAHAHA |
| 21:15.15 | Cope | runedude: go and work on your googling - find out about debian floppy install; or read the debian installation manual, or try asking dpkg questions. |
| 21:15.15 | csmiller | isn't CD net instll prefered over floppy? |
| 21:15.21 | kamaraju | !poetrysmite kamaraju |
| 21:15.22 | IneedHELPserious | maher with or without activating the Linux on CD? (or just the boot of linux CoD) |
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| 21:15.27 | streuner | csmiller: yes |
| 21:15.39 | streuner | csmiller: of you wanna play DJ? ;-) |
| 21:15.45 | runedude | haha |
| 21:15.45 | streuner | s/of/or/ |
| 21:15.51 | shingouz | paulswm: do you have the Guide there so that you could make a poetrysmite? |
| 21:15.56 | runedude | I have like 50 floppies here |
| 21:15.57 | maher | IneedHELPserious: boot to the live cd |
| 21:15.58 | runedude | Ok, ill make 3 |
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| 21:16.09 | Cope | runedude: if you're going to hang around here you'll soon find people stop helping you if you don't put in some effort yourself :-) One or two questions to get you started sure, but then we'll stop being so generous. |
| 21:16.13 | csmiller | struener sorry, din't get you there |
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| 21:16.15 | IneedHELPserious | and then? do i type in BOOT: the message? |
| 21:16.26 | streuner | csmiller: on CD are more packages.... |
| 21:16.26 | runedude | Cope: :P I am usually very helpful to myself. |
| 21:16.29 | paulswm | shingouz: I don't. Left my books in UK when I emigratd, never replaced them. |
| 21:16.30 | IneedHELPserious | or do i have to load knoppix fully including desktop and then try? |
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| 21:16.33 | Cope | runedude: good :-) |
| 21:16.36 | digijohn | I just installed firestarter and I'm kinda worried by what I see. I open the "active connections" dialog and see all sorts of http and nntp connections to different hosts, and one https connection. I am not trying to connect to these places. |
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| 21:16.42 | shingouz | paulswm: lemmesee what i can find... |
| 21:16.43 | digijohn | Have I been owned? |
| 21:16.45 | maher | IneedHELPserious: do you have a friend who knows how to use linux? |
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| 21:16.52 | csmiller | I know that, I installed woody from a LordSutch net CD |
| 21:16.55 | daxxar | Can you get a gcc 3.3.5 on sarge that has --enable-multilib? |
| 21:16.58 | daxxar | (amd64) |
| 21:17.00 | jim | runedude: as far as I remember, you'd need min of 2, max of 4 (extra 2 are net drivers and cd drivers (which also contain drivers for newer ide chipsets)) |
| 21:17.02 | streuner | csmiller: usual netinstall has about 200 MB, on a floppy is about 1,4 MB... |
| 21:17.08 | IneedHELPserious | maher, i know just about enough to maintain and install... |
| 21:17.13 | afrosheen | digijohn, you can nmap localhost and run rootkithunter to see if anything weird is happening |
| 21:17.18 | maher | digijohn: use netstat -pant to look for local connections |
| 21:17.19 | IneedHELPserious | and no, i dont got friends :) |
| 21:17.22 | streuner | csmiller: thats only a working kernel and NIC support (floppy) |
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| 21:17.31 | jim | daxxar: maybe... if not, you can build it yourself |
| 21:17.34 | csmiller | :wishes his free cable modem had a eth interface |
| 21:17.38 | maher | IneedHELPserious: boot the live cd - ask again when you've got that far |
| 21:17.47 | daxxar | jim, how? :) |
| 21:17.53 | IneedHELPserious | hold on maher :) |
| 21:17.55 | afrosheen | if a cable company brought me a cablemodem with no eth port, I'd smash it with a hammer |
| 21:18.08 | csmiller | there's also the busnes card CD... |
| 21:18.16 | csmiller | it was free :-/ |
| 21:18.27 | digijohn | okay, at netstat -pant I see a lot of LISTEN connections for 0.0.0.0 and then the irc connection. |
| 21:18.29 | jim | if the gcc you want is in the dist you're running, you can simply use apt-get or (better) aptitude (same syntax) |
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| 21:18.36 | daxxar | (not how to compile it, but how to get it) |
| 21:18.39 | csmiller | :hate's his borrowed laptop's keyboard |
| 21:18.42 | stranger | csmiller, well you need to be careful with the word free as in cable modem....was the hardware design freed for everyone and freely shared or was it just a no cost up front trap? |
| 21:18.46 | digijohn | I run chkrootkit regularly and have only had false-alarm lkm warnings |
| 21:18.47 | raf256 | can I run both mysql and postgresql? just bindem to other ports? but installing one package will remove the second DB afair..? |
| 21:18.54 | streuner | csmiller: /me blah blah |
| 21:18.58 | digijohn | maher: What do you think? |
| 21:18.59 | tarzeau | raf256: yes. yes. no. |
| 21:19.06 | jim | if not, you would get the source code, unpack it, read README and INSTALL, make decisions and go from there |
| 21:19.13 | PolarWolf | raf256: They use different ports by default |
| 21:19.21 | csmiller | I don't think Demon are charging me extra line rental for it |
| 21:19.24 | raf256 | thnx, cool, PolarWolf tarz |
| 21:19.29 | PolarWolf | Heck, I don't even think postgres binds to a TCP port in its default configuration |
| 21:19.34 | daxxar | jim, well, are there any packages in sarge that has it? |
| 21:19.34 | jim | you might also have to read the info pages, which are the book "Using and Porting GNU CC" |
| 21:19.43 | jim | don't know |
| 21:19.47 | maher | digijohn: paste your netstat -pant in #floof |
| 21:19.51 | FlimFlamMan | PolarWolf, i think it does, but doesn't accept connections on it |
| 21:19.56 | maher | digijohn: i mean #flood |
| 21:20.08 | Cope | csmiller: I noticed ;-) |
| 21:20.18 | PolarWolf | FlimFlamMan: I recall having to explicitly enable it. But then again, it's been ages ago, things might have changed. |
| 21:20.31 | raf256 | where are listed __al__ cron, at, and other scheduled jobs? |
| 21:20.37 | raf256 | *__all__ |
| 21:20.38 | IneedHELPserious | maher? i have knoppix running in GNOME, now what? |
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| 21:20.54 | daxxar | The point is, he has installed lib32gcc1, but -m32 doesn't work. :o So, I read somewhere that you need --enable-multilib, but the gcc he has installed (3.3.5 from sarge) has --disable-multilib. So I kinda need to get --enable-multilib |
| 21:20.56 | PolarWolf | FlimFlamMan: Your nick looks familiar, your name isn't Phil perchance, is it? |
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| 21:21.19 | maher | IneedHELPserious: use mount to mount your hard disk somewhere |
| 21:21.23 | jim | xiaogil: if you see [ somethinghere ] in the synopsis, it means that somethinghere is optional; technically, it can appear 0 or 1 times |
| 21:21.44 | csmiller | stranger - it was a free (beer) Thomson-Speedtouch modem. Although the firmware isn't OpenSource, they are resonable penguin friendly |
| 21:21.44 | shingouz | !poetrysmite paulswm |
| 21:21.45 | dpkg | paulswm: Oh freddled gruntbuggly thy micturations are to me As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. Groop I implore thee my foonting turlingdromes. |
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| 21:22.00 | csmiller | :grins at dpkg |
| 21:22.04 | digijohn | maher: I'm thinking it is about time for a fresh install anyhow, so maybe I should back up my home directory and do it. |
| 21:22.05 | IneedHELPserious | maher, u mean have to type in a shell: mount ...? |
| 21:22.17 | maher | IneedHELPserious: yes |
| 21:22.23 | IneedHELPserious | btw i can access all files and everything |
| 21:22.27 | afrosheen | digijohn, 0.0.0.0 is your local host |
| 21:22.31 | digijohn | okay |
| 21:22.40 | streuner | csmiller: ok, you have a problem then..., just google for a driver then. |
| 21:22.43 | ix | 0.0.0.0 is local host? |
| 21:22.48 | afrosheen | ping it |
| 21:22.50 | PolarWolf | ix: no |
| 21:22.53 | xiaogil | jim: i know it |
| 21:22.57 | IneedHELPserious | i only need to know where mysql stores its information so i can save it to a cd and replace it at the new install |
| 21:23.03 | paulswm | shingouz: dammit, I did something similar... |
| 21:23.11 | paulswm | !vogonsmite shingouz |
| 21:23.12 | stranger | csmiller, well be careful because free hardware is an important distinction for those who would like to get the hardware designs freely shared so they can call a fab in China and put everyone else out of business |
| 21:23.12 | dpkg | shingouz: Oh freddled gruntbuggly, / Thy micturations are to me / As plurdled gabbleblotchits / On a lurgid bee. / Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes / And hooptiously drangle me / with crinkly bindlewurdles, / Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon / See if I don't. |
| 21:23.13 | afrosheen | it's aliased to 127.0.0.1 here, which tells me localhost |
| 21:23.14 | raf256 | csmiller: isnt that 255.255.255.255 |
| 21:23.24 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 21:23.29 | paulswm | :P |
| 21:23.31 | digijohn | afrosheen: But why would there be an https connection (listed in firestarter) to 12.145.177.6? |
| 21:23.33 | shingouz | !camelsmite paulswm |
| 21:23.40 | afrosheen | digijohn, website? |
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| 21:23.46 | IneedHELPserious | !help |
| 21:23.47 | streuner | !blairsmite paulswm |
| 21:23.50 | maher | IneedHELPserious: should be in /var somethethin |
| 21:23.52 | daxxar | Later. ;) |
| 21:23.53 | jim | xiaogil: ok, good... { maybeandmayberepeated } means that maybeandmayberepeated can appear once, more than once (no limit), or not at all |
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| 21:23.58 | stranger | csmiller, so free hardware is important but not free up front traps like for example the Java Trap that RMS eludes to. |
| 21:24.02 | shingouz | paulswm: i'll remove the poetrysmite i think, it is too hard to type |
| 21:24.02 | digijohn | afrosheen: I'm not running a web browser. |
| 21:24.14 | paulswm | !singlishsmite shingouz |
| 21:24.14 | dpkg | shingouz: Why so goondu, you? |
| 21:24.19 | paulswm | :) |
| 21:24.25 | IneedHELPserious | !cowsmite maher |
| 21:24.29 | jim | ! poetrysmite poetrysmiting |
| 21:24.30 | dpkg | poetrysmiting: Oh freddled gruntbuggly thy micturations are to me As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee. Groop I implore thee my foonting turlingdromes. |
| 21:24.31 | IneedHELPserious | -_^ |
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| 21:24.45 | raf256 | !gentoosmite gcc |
| 21:24.46 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 21:24.48 | stranger | csmiller, we are seeking the freedom of hardware designs so that anyone can call a fab in China or India and put anyone else out of business and out of food |
| 21:24.49 | runedude | hmm |
| 21:24.54 | runedude | Well.. I'm almost there |
| 21:24.56 | jim | :/ it doesn't write randomized poetry |
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| 21:25.00 | runedude | However, I need to download a backup from FTP.. |
| 21:25.04 | afrosheen | digijohn, well that connection is in appleton, wisconsin |
| 21:25.09 | daxxar | !abuse |
| 21:25.09 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 21:25.13 | runedude | And it's saying forbidden, yet, I've chmodded, chowned, and done everything I could. |
| 21:25.15 | xiaogil | jim: Practically, for my command recode, the synopsis being : [OPTION]... [ [CHARSET] | REQUEST [FILE]... ], i understand that everything is optional |
| 21:25.19 | ribnitz | is there a (gui?) program that can do 1:1 copies of video dvds?- can I simply use xcdroast? |
| 21:25.24 | digijohn | afrosheen: so what do you think is up? |
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| 21:25.31 | jim | xiaogil: yes, that is correct |
| 21:25.33 | ben_ | ribnitz: drip |
| 21:25.35 | csmiller | stranger - you are wanting hardie jobs to move to China - you sounded like you didn't earlier |
| 21:25.36 | Cope | runedude: could you be more specific? what are you trying to do? |
| 21:25.42 | jim | so... |
| 21:25.47 | afrosheen | digijohn, dunno, that's a weird IP, and add .68 to it and it'll return the same blank page |
| 21:25.48 | PolarWolf | Hmm, I need to write a script which implements /ignore lamebotcommands |
| 21:25.48 | runedude | Cope: I'm trying to download abackup onto my drive. |
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| 21:25.54 | csmiller | anyway some one has still to invent the next generation of the hardware |
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| 21:26.02 | Cope | runedude: ok; from where? how? |
| 21:26.05 | stranger | csmiller, China or India or wherever the people want to work for free like the GNU team |
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| 21:26.06 | runedude | httpd, apache |
| 21:26.22 | jim | you can have OPTION once (which might translate to many options, you'll have to see how it's defined) |
| 21:26.27 | stranger | csmiller, for the purpose of establishing freedom |
| 21:26.34 | csmiller | India's softies are fairly well paid |
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| 21:26.45 | Cope | runedude: you have a backup on a webserver somewere, and you're trying to get it - is that correct? |
| 21:26.50 | runedude | yes, Cope |
| 21:26.53 | runedude | to my windows machine |
| 21:26.58 | runedude | so I can restore all my old /home stuff |
| 21:27.00 | csmiller | thier clothes and callcenter jobs are $#!tly paid tho. |
| 21:27.09 | Cope | runedude: ok - and you can browse to the webserver, yes? |
| 21:27.16 | runedude | Cope: yup |
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| 21:27.26 | jim | you might have CHARSET, or not... either that, or you might have REQUEST and if so, maybe you'll have FILE and following that, you might have something else |
| 21:27.31 | jasz | where should i ask about this: i use WindowMaker as my windowmanager, and gnome-compliant apps (like gaim or xchat) uses a huge font-size for the menus that is certainly annoying.. anyone knows how to set up this? |
| 21:27.33 | Cope | runedude: is the webserver running on your tinysofa machine? |
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| 21:27.36 | runedude | im in my http://192.168.1.100/~jeremy directory, but its not showing the file, and it says forbidden |
| 21:27.39 | runedude | Cope: yeah |
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| 21:27.50 | jim | so you need to see what can be OPTION, CHARSET, REQUEST, FILE |
| 21:27.56 | Morti | runedude: chmod a+rx files? |
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| 21:28.02 | runedude | Morti: let me try that |
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| 21:28.09 | xiaogil | jim: it would so much easy to understand with an simple example, i don't understand why they don't put it in the man of the majority of the command lines |
| 21:28.11 | Morti | -R for recursive |
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| 21:28.23 | csmiller | httpd can't read files that are rw----- or rw-rw--- |
| 21:28.29 | Morti | So chmod -R a+rx * (while in the right folder) |
| 21:28.29 | jbrand | everyone in #debian-amd64 is asleep. Can anyone help with amd64 stuff here? |
| 21:28.33 | runedude | nope, didnt work. |
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| 21:28.44 | jim | xiaogil: maybe there are examples near the end of the page |
| 21:28.45 | shingouz | jbrand: try us, maybe we can maybe not |
| 21:28.47 | csmiller | check your httpd logs? |
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| 21:28.54 | runedude | -rwxr-xr-x 1 darvi root 3532938197 Jun 13 19:39 harddrive.tar.gz |
| 21:28.55 | runedude | -rwxr-xr-x 1 darvi darvi 4241 Jun 11 13:08 sysinfo.tcl |
| 21:28.58 | jasoncohen | looks like all of gnome 2.10 went into unstable |
| 21:29.03 | runedude | As you see, its the same permissions, and I see the sysinfo.tcl |
| 21:29.07 | lxuser | thei are haunting linux |
| 21:29.11 | jasoncohen | http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/meta-gnome2.html |
| 21:29.14 | Eulex | !redhatsmite Eulex |
| 21:29.18 | Cope | runedude: different group |
| 21:29.20 | csmiller | the root group? |
| 21:29.24 | runedude | Cope: eh |
| 21:29.26 | PolarWolf | I'm afraid to type 'apt-get upgrade' on my Sid boxes this week |
| 21:29.27 | Eulex | hehe |
| 21:29.31 | runedude | oh shoot |
| 21:29.45 | runedude | Cope: hmm.. crap.. how do I change group? =) |
| 21:29.48 | jbrand | shingouz - ok. I've got 400ish CPUs happily running. in the last few days the Debian-installer stopped working, craping out on the "Install the base system". I've got some screenshots. http://www.nirvani.net/tmp/deberror.png (deberror2.png and deberror3.png) |
| 21:29.56 | csmiller | chown or chgrp |
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| 21:30.07 | csmiller | chown -R darvi: * |
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| 21:30.19 | jasoncohen | PolarWolf, well, gnome should be fixed now |
| 21:30.21 | Cope | runedude: chgrp --help |
| 21:30.24 | runedude | hmm |
| 21:30.32 | PolarWolf | jasoncohen: I don't use gnome :P |
| 21:30.45 | PolarWolf | Too bad it seems to get installed with everything I do |
| 21:30.46 | runedude | ok, that worked, the group command, but.. um.. its still saying that it cannot be downloaded |
| 21:30.47 | xiaogil | jim: unfortunately not. So I tried "recode BIG5 00001.html > test", but it gave me the rror msg : "recode: 00001.html failed: Invalid input in step `BIG5..CHAR'" |
| 21:31.01 | Cope | runedude: ok, what does the access log say? |
| 21:31.05 | jim | be CAREFUL with -R on chown and chmod... you can seriously hose your whole system if you're not careful |
| 21:31.07 | PolarWolf | 15 upgraded, 171 newly installed, 0 to remove and 141 not upgraded. |
| 21:31.08 | PolarWolf | Need to get 145MB of archives. |
| 21:31.11 | PolarWolf | Yarcgh! |
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| 21:31.16 | runedude | hmm *finds access log* |
| 21:31.23 | shingouz | jbrand: check the third console for the real messages |
| 21:31.41 | jim | PolarWolf: should be about 45 mins on most dsl connections, maybe less |
| 21:31.47 | ribnitz | I more meant dvd-video in dvd-drive, empty dvd in burner, go? |
| 21:31.53 | jbrand | shingouz - yea, that's deberror3.png. do you see something I don't? |
| 21:31.53 | PolarWolf | jim: Yeah, but the breakage! |
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| 21:32.01 | shingouz | jbrand: uh. you have it here :) |
| 21:32.01 | Eulex | PolarWolf: you haven't upgraded in a while |
| 21:32.01 | jim | breakage? |
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| 21:32.06 | PolarWolf | (not that I've seen much breakage with debian lately, but still) |
| 21:32.08 | xiaogil | jim: i'll write to the author to ask him how to use his command then |
| 21:32.10 | csmiller | nohup su root nice +20 rm -rf /bin /sbin/ / & exit |
| 21:32.15 | PolarWolf | Eulex: few weeks ago on this laptop |
| 21:32.16 | jim | you're running sid? you asked for breakage. :P |
| 21:32.19 | csmiller | is one way to hose your machine |
| 21:32.30 | ribnitz | sid is there to break. |
| 21:32.36 | PolarWolf | jim: I've been running unstable for years, and only got bitten once or twice :P |
| 21:32.36 | Cope | csmiller: even joking about that uis a kickable offence. |
| 21:32.36 | josep | Hi, I guess I'm not the first one, but here we go... where do I get the "non-us" stuff for sid? (sources.list entry) |
| 21:32.41 | runedude | 192.168.1.102 - - [14/Jun/2005:17:32:27 -0400] "GET /~darvi/harddrive.tar.gz HTTP/1.1" 403 425 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MS$ |
| 21:32.52 | ribnitz | if it woudnt that breakage would be in testing |
| 21:33.00 | shingouz | jbrand: i have a bad feeling about this one... maybe if you try to install with a 2.4 that particular problem would go away. that one is a really amd-specific problem though |
| 21:33.03 | Rawplayer | hey runedude you are in my network |
| 21:33.06 | Eulex | josep: /topic |
| 21:33.08 | PolarWolf | jim: I'm not going to do this now, but when I have a backup box available :P |
| 21:33.08 | runedude | Rawplayer: eh? |
| 21:33.16 | Rawplayer | but i cant ping you |
| 21:33.16 | darkskiez | is something seriously boned in sid attamo ? |
| 21:33.17 | csmiller | josep - isn't non-us being moved back to main? |
| 21:33.19 | jim | xiaogil: you should carefully study the last few paragraphs |
| 21:33.21 | shingouz | Rawplayer: he is on mine too! :p |
| 21:33.24 | jbrand | shingouz - yeah. I think it's something in the mirror that is broken. |
| 21:33.29 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 21:33.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:33.30 | Rawplayer | ow dear |
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| 21:33.37 | runedude | I used to be on 192.168.0 but I got a new router now. :x |
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| 21:33.45 | jim | PolarWolf: yeah, that should be ok... you'll at least be able to go to the other box |
| 21:33.45 | shingouz | jbrand: i would try another kernel or install tomorrow |
| 21:33.57 | tarzeau | runedude: you should post that to slashdot.org |
| 21:33.58 | PolarWolf | Besides, I need to ping evolution as it'll probably install 2.x which is still broken for ASMTP over SSL |
| 21:34.02 | shingouz | jbrand: maybe another server would help? try taht too |
| 21:34.04 | PolarWolf | s/ping/pin/ |
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| 21:34.07 | stranger | and as you all know ...even debian is in agreement with gnu (ie. their social policy) and are willing to starve for the purpose of establishing freedom |
| 21:34.11 | runedude | tarzeau: huh? |
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| 21:34.14 | paulswm | !beat csmiller |
| 21:34.16 | PolarWolf | And Thunderbird blows |
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| 21:34.33 | jbrand | shingouz - thanks. yeah, new kernel doesn't help. new installer doesn't either. it's been broken for 3 days. yea, tried different mirrors too (and my own mirror).. :( |
| 21:34.34 | maher | stranger: send food to debian developers before its too late! |
| 21:34.36 | runedude | omg |
| 21:34.41 | runedude | You gotta be kidding me. |
| 21:34.42 | josep | Eulex: yes, I know about the "general resolution", but, I wonder if there is some "pseudo-official" repository over there ;-) |
| 21:34.47 | shingouz | jbrand: :( |
| 21:34.47 | runedude | [Tue Jun 14 17:32:27 2005] [error] [client 192.168.1.102] (75)Value too large for defined data type: access to /~darvi/harddriv$ |
| 21:34.50 | jbrand | shingouz - thanks for the ideas. |
| 21:34.50 | runedude | :O |
| 21:34.59 | shingouz | jbrand: maybe if you go out for a b33r? |
| 21:35.01 | ogg | :Q |
| 21:35.02 | stranger | maher, well first i have to figure out how to make some money. |
| 21:35.15 | maher | stranger: get a job |
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| 21:35.27 | jasz | hahaha |
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| 21:35.31 | bigbill52a | put an ad in the paper and fix computers |
| 21:35.37 | jbrand | hah. it's nothing on my end. i386 works. I'm trying 'etch' on amd64 though now instead of sarge. maybe someone goofed something in sarge that they didn't goof in etch. |
| 21:35.41 | Cope | runedude: nice |
| 21:35.44 | ribnitz | stranger: you know that using a color laser printer, its possible to print...? ;) |
| 21:35.44 | jim | csmiller: well the truth is that while your command is an extreme, deliberate and destructive action, the -R on chown and chmod is not much better in some (accidental) cases |
| 21:35.52 | csmiller | runedue - you've got a 3.5G file, try split on it |
| 21:35.53 | runedude | Cope: its a 3.2gb file |
| 21:35.55 | runedude | err |
| 21:35.56 | runedude | 3.5 |
| 21:35.56 | shingouz | jbrand: that is yet another possiblity |
| 21:35.59 | runedude | how do I split? |
| 21:36.03 | stranger | maher, well that is not possible when the police and the FBI go behind your back and even Robert Bayes went to UBM when we were going to put IBM out of business....they get you fired wherever you go |
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| 21:36.04 | Cope | runedude: with split |
| 21:36.09 | lxuser | im wondering why all linux irc clients are aimed at freenode ! |
| 21:36.10 | runedude | I dont want this to be corrupt, btw, It's a important backup |
| 21:36.10 | jim | man split :) |
| 21:36.19 | jbrand | shingouz - quality control on the amd64 apt repository is certainly not perfect. :) |
| 21:36.22 | cbr | for AMD Sempron should i have the -k7 or -k8 kernel? |
| 21:36.24 | paulswm | runedude: man split |
| 21:36.25 | Cope | runedude: assuming you gave enough diskspace |
| 21:36.30 | paulswm | OH, sorry jim :) |
| 21:36.35 | stranger | maher, so it is not possible to get a job when they think you are a child abuser, a murderer, a wifebeater. |
| 21:36.37 | jim | you can split in various ways; you join with cat |
| 21:36.41 | csmiller | bz2 gives you slightly better compression |
| 21:36.42 | tarzeau | cbr: k7 |
| 21:36.44 | ogg | LxUsar_: why not? |
| 21:36.45 | bigbill52a | stranger put an ad in the paper and fix computers...you will enough to get by |
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| 21:36.52 | maher | stranger: why do people think you beat your wife? |
| 21:37.02 | ribnitz | stranger: harvesting strawberries at eur 2.20 an hour? |
| 21:37.07 | paulswm | or abuse children and kill people? |
| 21:37.21 | stranger | maher, well hell that is what the damn rich Jew judge said....but actually it wasn't quite like that |
| 21:37.26 | runedude | hmm |
| 21:37.27 | runedude | wtf |
| 21:37.30 | jim | stranger: #lawandordersvu --> that way |
| 21:37.36 | runedude | I dont like that :S |
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| 21:37.43 | runedude | hmm |
| 21:37.47 | runedude | guess I gotta use SCP |
| 21:37.54 | maher | stranger: do people think you suffer from paranoia and/or a persecution complex and/or anti-semitism? |
| 21:37.54 | Agiofws | i have this========>"/home/agiofws/ mbox(rw,sync,all_squash,anongid=504,anonuid=504)" in /etc/exports on nfs server box but when i mount it on the local machine i get these permisions,owners,groups "drwxrw-rw- 49 1000 users 12288 Jun 15 00:15 s-home/" why is the uid=1000 and not 504 as i issued it in exports ? i canot cd to that directory as user i get a permision denied message |
| 21:37.57 | Cope | runedude: of course you could use a protocol designed for large file transfer |
| 21:37.57 | paulswm | OK, now I've seen that, I'm done with stranger |
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| 21:38.13 | lxuser | i think that if you play FPS you shouldnt be able to get a job/life. |
| 21:38.19 | runedude | Cope: problem is, with apache, i can download at 5-10mb/sec, with scp, its like 500 |
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| 21:38.24 | runedude | 500kb/s that is |
| 21:38.25 | csmiller | all_squash stops ID mappin |
| 21:38.26 | ribnitz | lxuser: FPS? |
| 21:38.28 | Cope | runedude: I was thinking of ftp |
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| 21:38.31 | stranger | maher, some stupid psychologists do because they either try to cover up what the government is doing to me or they just don't bother to find out |
| 21:38.41 | lxuser | killing ppl online |
| 21:38.48 | maher | lxuser: what's going to happen to those millions of unemployed people? |
| 21:38.49 | ogg | flame per second |
| 21:38.50 | jim | Agiofws: look at the UID of the files |
| 21:38.58 | digijohn | Hey guys, do the freenode servers do some sort of portscan at connect? |
| 21:38.58 | runedude | Cope: ftp eh? let me try to get a nice ftp client |
| 21:39.04 | bigbill52a | stranger: go to www.zephnet.com might help you understand what is happening |
| 21:39.09 | runedude | digijohn: yeah |
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| 21:39.20 | runedude | bleh forget it, im just going to use scp, its easy |
| 21:39.20 | Cope | runedude: just the windows embedded ftp one will be fine |
| 21:39.20 | cor3 | Some idiot tried telling me using nptl was as simple as upgrading glibc |
| 21:39.21 | madclicker | "happy spapin' " has been band in Great Britain. |
| 21:39.21 | lxuser | lots of spam chat in this network :-) |
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| 21:39.23 | jim | stranger: #whitesupremacy is about 5000 miles over there --> |
| 21:39.26 | stranger | maher, but the government is very smart and those bastards get paid every day to sit and torture you to death over something they feel you did...that you simply have no knowledge of. |
| 21:39.27 | runedude | Cope: ok |
| 21:39.36 | runedude | well the windows one kept timing me out |
| 21:39.38 | Agiofws | jim, the uid of the mouted files? |
| 21:39.39 | paulswm | Or go to im-a-lunatic.org maybe |
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| 21:39.50 | csmiller | banned? wasn't it already illegal as common assult? |
| 21:39.56 | Jhair | quit |
| 21:40.06 | csmiller | or is El Tony get populist again? |
| 21:40.07 | Agiofws | jim this is it drwxrw-rw- 49 1000 users 12288 Jun 15 00:15 s-home/ |
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| 21:40.17 | FlimFlamMan | stranger, is that you whitesands? wtf are you doing in #debian? |
| 21:40.22 | cor3 | He failed to realize that the rest of the system needs to be built against that version of glibc |
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| 21:40.34 | stranger | FlimFlamMan, yes that is me....at this time trying to work on k9 |
| 21:40.36 | stranger | and sarge |
| 21:40.39 | jim | Agiofws: the option only says what user and group anonymous connects as |
| 21:40.44 | FlimFlamMan | i see |
| 21:40.52 | FlimFlamMan | haven't seen you in awhile. locked up? |
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| 21:41.00 | Agiofws | jim, which option? |
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| 21:41.09 | digijohn | runedude: Why does it scan? |
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| 21:41.27 | jim | Agiofws: man 5 exports |
| 21:41.34 | ejoy | Whenever I run dpkg-reconfigure the message is a mess (in a language I can not understandard). I've set LC_ALL=C and even delete all *.mo files in /usr/share/locale/. But dpkg-reconfigure still can not display English. Where's the problem? |
| 21:41.34 | FlimFlamMan | stranger, what's k9? |
| 21:41.37 | stranger | FlimFlamMan, not lately...but one never knows when you get treated like a pingpong ball between the police and the psychologists torturers. |
| 21:41.38 | Agiofws | jim, i have several times |
| 21:41.42 | cor3 | When is debian going to support nptl? |
| 21:41.42 | jim | then look at what you posted here |
| 21:41.44 | FlimFlamMan | i hear ya |
| 21:41.57 | ethics | FlimFlamMan a small mechanical dog with a fetish for a sonic screwdriver |
| 21:42.01 | Agiofws | if you could be more specific? |
| 21:42.08 | Cope | dpkg tell cor3 about siyh |
| 21:42.09 | runedude | digijohn: proxies |
| 21:42.25 | stranger | FlimFlamMan, well it is a cleaner kernel for the purpose of free hardware designs to eliminate the megacorporations and all their power and money. |
| 21:42.25 | FlimFlamMan | stranger, i haven't been in the other channels much lately |
| 21:42.37 | jim | Agiofws: you already were... reread what you posted, find out what options you set and where options go |
| 21:42.44 | FlimFlamMan | stranger, what were you using earlier? |
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| 21:42.51 | Supaplex | stuff |
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| 21:42.59 | maher | stranger: make sure you don't buy any computer parts made by a large corporation |
| 21:43.02 | jim | why are you trying to make me explain your explanation? |
| 21:43.07 | stranger | maher, that is the goal |
| 21:43.17 | cor3 | Cope: nice one |
| 21:43.23 | Agiofws | i ahve read man exports several times? |
| 21:43.33 | jim | now reread what you posted |
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| 21:43.37 | cor3 | I would help where are my services needed? |
| 21:43.38 | Agiofws | jim, i shloud remove the anon options? |
| 21:43.44 | ozzloy | i did an apt-get install qc-usb-source and now i don't know where the source files went to. how do i find them? |
| 21:43.44 | jim | I didn't say that |
| 21:43.52 | Agiofws | jim, i shloud remove the anonuid anongid options? |
| 21:43.58 | jim | I don't even know what you want because you haven't said |
| 21:44.14 | jim | do you know what they do? |
| 21:44.19 | chealer | dpkg: no, kde3.4 is not really packaged yet, or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 |
| 21:44.19 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
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| 21:44.57 | jim | Agiofws, do you know what they do? |
| 21:45.23 | Agiofws | jim, i'll try to explain what i've anderstood |
| 21:45.23 | csmiller | ok, gotta put my modem back in my Debain box and have another play.... |
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| 21:45.28 | Agiofws | understood |
| 21:45.42 | jim | Agiofws: first, do you know what those options do? |
| 21:45.42 | chealer | ozzloy: use the -L switch to dpkg |
| 21:45.44 | xiaogil | jim: ok, i wrote to the author of the command to explain what i did and ask why it didn't work, and what to change to make it work, and i also suggested him to give some examples of how to use it, beside the synopsis. |
| 21:45.44 | FlimFlamMan | i wonder what it would take to create a windows-based enterprise desktop using as much Free software as possible |
| 21:46.02 | runedude | well woot |
| 21:46.07 | runedude | 3.5mb/s with ftp |
| 21:46.13 | jim | xiaogil: have you read the bottom paragraphs of that man page? |
| 21:46.15 | Snowman_br | hey! Somebody can tell me how i can open a pvp window??? |
| 21:46.18 | runedude | That's not *as* bad as scp |
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| 21:46.39 | ozzloy | chealer, thanx. your a pal |
| 21:46.41 | Cope | runedude: nice |
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| 21:46.52 | jim | what's a pvp window and why would it be closed? |
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| 21:47.04 | xiaogil | jim: of course, why ? Did I miss something ? |
| 21:47.08 | pzn | Hi! do you know if tha debian package "samba" transfer files in "plain mode", that is, transfered files can be sniffed? |
| 21:47.17 | runedude | ok, time to write those floppies |
| 21:47.23 | Cope | runedude: yay! |
| 21:47.36 | ribnitz | pzn: that depends on the setting. |
| 21:47.38 | Agiofws | nfs-server and client maust have the same uid if you want to access the files as a user on the client | so i assume anonuid and anongid does this for you setting the uid to match that of the clients but it does not ......... what have i understood wrong ? i assume something about an anonymous user |
| 21:47.39 | Cope | runedude: you got the right images, yeah? |
| 21:47.40 | jim | xiaogil: it shows definitions of the CAPITALIZED items in the SYNOPSIS section |
| 21:47.53 | runedude | Cope: i havent got them yet, im going to find them right now on debian.org |
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| 21:48.02 | runedude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.04 | runedude | bye bye uptime :( |
| 21:48.23 | jim | runedude: it's only 5 days :P |
| 21:48.24 | pzn | ribnitz, can I set it to transfer only in encrypted mode? will it be compatible with "smbmount" in other Debian machines, win9x/nt/...? |
| 21:48.30 | runedude | jim: only? :P |
| 21:48.32 | bigbill52a | telinit works with debian... |
| 21:48.34 | ribnitz | copying onto an smb volume takes 31% cpu on the server? |
| 21:48.36 | runedude | those 5 days were long days! |
| 21:48.39 | Agiofws | jim? |
| 21:48.47 | Cope | runedude: heh, I lost an uptime of over 1000 the other day, at work. |
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| 21:48.51 | jim | runedude: when you get year-long uptime, then you can be sad about rebooting |
| 21:48.57 | runedude | Cope: how so? |
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| 21:49.02 | runedude | jim: lol |
| 21:49.05 | runedude | 5 days is alot here |
| 21:49.13 | runedude | its a miracle that my server didnt get shut off |
| 21:49.13 | perlhead_ | tetex-bin question. python-dev provides a couple of document classes for LaTeX ({howto,manual}.cls) in /usr/lib/python/doc/texinputs. What is the Debian-blessed way of getting latex to find those classes so I can do \documentclass{howto}? |
| 21:49.17 | Cope | runedude: needed to reboot the machine after some work. |
| 21:49.17 | FlimFlamMan | do kernels actually go without needing repatching? |
| 21:49.22 | ribnitz | pzn: in the unix-world, nfs is kinda more widely used. And encrypted tranfers works as of win2k, iirc. |
| 21:49.23 | FlimFlamMan | for a year |
| 21:49.31 | Cope | runedude: that wasn't linux - was solaris |
| 21:49.33 | runedude | Cope: ouch :( |
| 21:50.13 | jim | perlhead_: is python-dev a debian package? |
| 21:50.22 | paulswm | pzn: my understanding is that the samba client implements an ftp-type client without encryption |
| 21:50.35 | perlhead_ | jim: python2.3-dev, actually, and yes, it is |
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| 21:50.54 | BigBlockO | where's a good place to get rudimentary help with BIND |
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| 21:51.09 | ribnitz | BigBlockO: the howto. |
| 21:51.21 | BigBlockO | haha yea |
| 21:51.27 | Cope | BigBlockO: googke for bind 101; read the how-to; buy a sysadmin some beer. |
| 21:51.27 | BigBlockO | its pretty damn complex though |
| 21:51.46 | Agiofws | jim ? |
| 21:51.49 | jim | perlhead_: ok... I'm guessing here, but the packaging should have done that for you... having said that, what about documents that are already written in howto style? you could look at the source of those and see if they say |
| 21:51.57 | ribnitz | start with the easy case. no split horizon. |
| 21:51.59 | perlhead_ | jim: I even tried copying the files to /usr/local/share/texmf and doing texhash... to no avail |
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| 21:52.29 | perlhead_ | jim: amen, the package should have done that for me |
| 21:52.30 | xiaogil | jim, if you know please, just give the simplest example of how to use this recode command, then i'll probably understand what means this synopsis, which is fucking hermetic to me right now |
| 21:52.34 | pzn | ribnitz, paulswm: thanks for your comments! |
| 21:52.41 | perlhead_ | jim: alas, it didn't |
| 21:52.46 | paulswm | pzn: you're welcome |
| 21:52.50 | Zrin | what software to use for (live) audio streaming server on a debian sarge system? |
| 21:52.55 | Agiofws | grrrrr |
| 21:52.59 | tictac | Zrin: icecast |
| 21:53.07 | perlhead_ | jim: and the docs that use it, they don't tell |
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| 21:53.10 | Zrin | tictac: thx |
| 21:53.11 | BigBlockO | ribnitz, the system is already configured for bind, what i can't figure out is why the subdomains i've set up aren't working |
| 21:53.18 | tictac | although, im wondering if its still somewhat 'broken' |
| 21:53.24 | jim | perlhead_, ok, there might be a Makefile in with the sources for the doc files |
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| 21:53.39 | jim | that Makefile might invoke latex with certain options |
| 21:53.43 | runedude | btw, when I do get my cdwriter, where are those iso images :o |
| 21:53.46 | FlimFlamMan | who wants to give me a job doing anything related with free software? |
| 21:54.01 | jim | runedude: you can get them with jigdo |
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| 21:54.11 | runedude | no http? :o |
| 21:54.15 | ribnitz | BigBlockO: then ask specific questions. |
| 21:54.15 | Agiofws | FlimFlamMan, you could help me |
| 21:54.46 | FlimFlamMan | Agiofws, how many weeks paid vacation do you offer? |
| 21:54.50 | jim | runedude: advantage: you then have more mirrors to choose from, and when it comes to getting a newer image, it will alter the image you already downloaded |
| 21:54.51 | GOnehaha | Hello. I got a problem everytime i try to start up my debian, it crashes when it reaches: Starting: Mysqld... |
| 21:55.01 | tictac | GOnehaha: crashes how? |
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| 21:55.09 | ribnitz | BigBlockO: like: my goldfish is feeling unwell, it seems to be asphyxiating, can anybody help? ;) |
| 21:55.11 | GOnehaha | it just doesnt go forward tictac it stays there |
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| 21:55.45 | jim | GOnehaha: need mysql? if no, you could try removing it after booting into single user mode |
| 21:55.45 | tictac | GOnehaha: so, rescue mode and turn off mysql from starting on boot. see where you get then. |
| 21:55.45 | BigBlockO | So i've configured the subdomains in the Authority file, and one of them works, but the others dont. |
| 21:55.47 | Agiofws | FlimFlamMan, none |
| 21:55.59 | GOnehaha | how to get rescue mode? :s |
| 21:56.06 | GOnehaha | trough the cd of debian? |
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| 21:56.35 | FlimFlamMan | Agiofws, what's you're problem? |
| 21:56.37 | BigBlockO | and i'm not sure if there's something else, other than changing the authority file and restarting named that i need to do to get the subdomains to work |
| 21:56.48 | jim | why are you needing to boot from the cd? did you install grub? |
| 21:57.03 | ribnitz | GOnehaha: init=/bin/bash, or single |
| 21:57.19 | Agiofws | FlimFlamMan, i have this========>"/home/agiofws/ mbox(rw,sync,all_squash,anongid=504,anonuid=504)" in /etc/exports on nfs server box but when i mount it on the local machine i get these permisions,owners,groups "drwxrw-rw- 49 1000 users 12288 Jun 15 00:15 s-home/" why is the uid=1000 and not 504 as i issued it in exports ? i canot cd to that directory as user i get a permision denied message |
| 21:57.40 | GOnehaha | ribnitz and where must i do that? i cant access anything really it just freezes before it loads shell |
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| 21:58.04 | jim | Agiofws: the anon options probably don't do what you think they do |
| 21:58.22 | jim | oh, maybe all_squash does |
| 21:58.38 | Agiofws | i removed them |
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| 21:58.55 | jim | but are you -really- sure you want to do that? what' |
| 21:58.55 | Agiofws | but i still get a permision denied as user |
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| 21:59.04 | jim | is this nfs share for? |
| 21:59.05 | w00t | hello brothers |
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| 21:59.11 | Agiofws | agiofws1@mbox~$cd s-home/ |
| 21:59.11 | Agiofws | bash: cd: s-home/: Permission denied |
| 21:59.11 | cinix | w00t |
| 21:59.15 | FlimFlamMan | Agiofws, i don't know, i've never used those options w/nfs before |
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| 21:59.24 | ribnitz | GOnehaha: another A or PTR record? |
| 21:59.31 | jim | w00t: there's some sisters here too, I would guess |
| 21:59.32 | GOnehaha | A or PTR = ? |
| 21:59.40 | Agiofws | trying to share /home/dir of sbox on mbox jim |
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| 21:59.54 | w00t | girls dont play linux they play dolls |
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| 22:00.06 | Cope | ribnitz: itym BigBlockO |
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| 22:00.13 | w00t | girls are weard |
| 22:00.16 | jim | w00t: so you never went to school huh? |
| 22:00.23 | GOnehaha | w00t if u were correctly girls dont play linux they play with dicks ;) |
| 22:00.33 | the_softrat | Who is the CUPS guru? My CUPS is happy, but nothing comes out of the printer. |
| 22:00.35 | w00t | lol |
| 22:00.36 | BigBlockO | what does itym mean? |
| 22:00.39 | jim | sure the hell never went to a place like stanford or mit |
| 22:00.44 | Cope | I think you mean |
| 22:00.48 | BigBlockO | Cope: what does itym mean? |
| 22:00.49 | Agiofws | just as a simple user |
| 22:01.12 | Agiofws | why is it so diff to share a SIMPLE directory,,, |
| 22:01.14 | GOnehaha | brb gonna try alot of things ot get my debian to run :p |
| 22:01.15 | FlimFlamMan | it looks like anongid / anonuid are the id's used when accessing the nfs share as root from the client machine |
| 22:01.17 | Cope | BigBlockO: acronymn for 'I think you mean' |
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| 22:01.25 | jim | Agiofws: nfs was never very simple |
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| 22:01.37 | Zrin | can i install directly from FC1 rpm? |
| 22:01.39 | Raven | Hey |
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| 22:01.48 | the_softrat | ??? CUPS Guru ??? |
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| 22:01.51 | Eulex | Zrin: no, convert it to deb with alien |
| 22:01.54 | jim | Zrin: install what? |
| 22:02.01 | sigp239 | how do I get printing to work on debian? |
| 22:02.04 | Agiofws | then why is a samba share so simple...????? |
| 22:02.05 | jim | the_softrat: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 22:02.11 | w00t | is true that hackers can get on my linux? |
| 22:02.11 | BigBlockO | ah |
| 22:02.14 | Zrin | Eulex: ty jim: icecast-2.2.0-1.i386.rpm |
| 22:02.27 | FlimFlamMan | Agiofws, because Free software has miles to go in the ease-of-use department. |
| 22:02.28 | Agiofws | linux is made for networking..............??? |
| 22:02.31 | BigBlockO | ribnitz: i'm not sure what the difference between those two are |
| 22:02.37 | jim | Agiofws: dunno... but the two are completely different |
| 22:02.38 | the_softrat | jim: Are you serious? |
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| 22:02.48 | jim | the_softrat: absolutely |
| 22:02.57 | w00t | linux make me think so much hurt my face |
| 22:03.05 | the_softrat | jim: I don't believe you! |
| 22:03.06 | Supaplex | dpkg -i brain-fuel |
| 22:03.10 | jim | w00t: and that's a good thing |
| 22:03.11 | Cope | BigBlockO: An A record or address record maps a host name to its IP address; A PTR record or pointer record maps a host name to the canonical name for that host. |
| 22:03.14 | sigp239 | How do I install a printer with Debian 3.1 ? |
| 22:03.17 | ribnitz | BigBlockO: very much simplified: A is a machine of its own. PTR is a pointer. you really ought to read the bind howto |
| 22:03.23 | Supaplex | !botcookie |
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| 22:03.27 | Eulex | sigp239: what printer? |
| 22:03.29 | jim | the_softrat: then you might have trouble getting help :) |
| 22:03.39 | sigp239 | Eulex: HP Laserjet 6p |
| 22:03.43 | tictac | hmm i wonder if xmame will work better on this desktop than it did on the laptop |
| 22:03.43 | w00t | i just came back from work :) |
| 22:03.44 | the_softrat | jim: yeah |
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| 22:03.58 | the_softrat | jim: But I get lots of samrt-asses. |
| 22:03.58 | Agiofws | jim, do you have anysuggestions? |
| 22:04.00 | ribnitz | sigp239: dioes it do postscript or pcl? |
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| 22:04.04 | jim | experienced trouble already? :) |
| 22:04.06 | BigBlockO | !bind |
| 22:04.07 | dpkg | from memory, bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml, or read the brilliant docs at http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf. |
| 22:04.10 | sigp239 | ribnitz: I don't know. How do I tell? |
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| 22:04.29 | w00t | _daniel_: are u there????????????? |
| 22:04.35 | Raven | I have this semi-old laptop I'd like to get either sarge or etch working on, but since it only has a floppy drive I need to use the netinst way of doing things. Problem starts when you take into account that I have a 3com PCMCIA wireless card. It should be supported by prism54, anyone know if prism54 is included on the disks in question? |
| 22:04.35 | pzn | any recommended apache log report generator? I used webalizer two years ago... now which one do you recomend? |
| 22:04.37 | jim | Agiofws: create a user whose UID and GID are the same as the files you want to mount over nfs |
| 22:04.52 | BigBlockO | ribnitz: where's the howto located at? |
| 22:04.54 | Agiofws | i'm googling the f..... ing issue |
| 22:04.59 | Cope | w00t: relax your fingers on the keyboard, or alter the repeat rate :-) |
| 22:05.05 | jim | pzn: not a recommendation necessarily... but I've heard of analog |
| 22:05.15 | w00t | _daniel_ is my best friend |
| 22:05.17 | ribnitz | sigp239: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_6P |
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| 22:05.30 | the_softrat | jim: OK ---- "dpkg samrt questions" ? |
| 22:05.35 | the_softrat | SMART |
| 22:05.49 | Eulex | w00t, firefox segfaulted again? |
| 22:05.52 | Agiofws | jim, adduser does not ask me for uid or gid ???? |
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| 22:06.05 | BigBlockO | Cope: where's the bind howto? |
| 22:06.11 | ribnitz | BigBlockO: use google, eg. http://www.bind9.net/links |
| 22:06.14 | jim | Agiofws: useradd, usermod maybe |
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| 22:06.18 | pzn | jim: thanks. the analog description seems great! I'll give it a try! |
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| 22:06.27 | w00t | god damn freaking dumb laptop or linux dont suport my wireless card |
| 22:06.29 | Athon_Solo | Could someone please recommend a method of automatically respawning a daemon if it's killed for any reason (OOM, kill, whatever)? In this case, I'm particularly looking at klogd and sysklogd on Sarge. |
| 22:06.32 | sigp239 | ribnitz: Do I need cups? How do I install that? |
| 22:06.34 | FlimFlamMan | adduser takes it on the command line |
| 22:06.38 | jim | pzn: yeah, I might try the same thing for my aolserver instances |
| 22:06.48 | ribnitz | sigp239: apt-get install cups? |
| 22:06.54 | Eulex | and again??? |
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| 22:07.09 | Cope | BigBlockO: lots of stuff around; browse www.tldp.org |
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| 22:07.25 | sigp239 | ribnitz: that's my question... |
| 22:07.38 | Agiofws | jim, when i do match the uid of the shared dir X server and gnome on client get nmessed UP could you please explain why ? |
| 22:07.41 | w00t | have any one saw kevin mitnick before? |
| 22:07.50 | intension | i get an error while booting : starting hotplug subsystem... and the server hangs |
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| 22:08.02 | Eulex | sigp239: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_6P |
| 22:08.07 | FlimFlamMan | i'd come in my pants if "apt-get ldap-auth" worked |
| 22:08.18 | scar` | I used to run samba on woody and it worked really fine ... I now updated to sarge and installed the latest stable samba, using the same smb.config as from woody, and I am experiencing really bad performance, regarding bandwidth. the nic is configured correctly though. |
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| 22:08.47 | *** topic/#debian is SARGE RELEASED. | SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 22:08.55 | Agiofws | and what could i do to fix this prob |
| 22:09.02 | runedude | I just deleted all my sourcecode on accident |
| 22:09.10 | intension | yes how do i fix it ? |
| 22:09.19 | sigp239 | ribnitz: It says that cupsys is a server. Do I need a server just to print to a printer? |
| 22:09.23 | w00t | why linux dont suport my wireless card and windows suport |
| 22:09.31 | Cope | runedude: :-( was it in your backup that you moved to the windows machine? |
| 22:09.35 | FlimFlamMan | Cope, adduser --help |
| 22:09.35 | FlimFlamMan | adduser [--home DIR] [--shell SHELL] [--no-create-home] [--uid ID] |
| 22:09.35 | FlimFlamMan | [--firstuid ID] [--lastuid ID] [--gecos GECOS] [--ingroup GROUP | --gid ID] [--disabled-password] [--disabled-login] user |
| 22:09.36 | runedude | Cope: nope |
| 22:09.40 | FlimFlamMan | uh, sorry |
| 22:09.47 | runedude | Cope: it was a backup of all my source, not my tarball, that got moved |
| 22:09.51 | ribnitz | sigp239: A server is a small program running on your box that accepts print jobs. |
| 22:09.55 | runedude | it was all my vb code and projects |
| 22:10.09 | sigp239 | sigp239: oh. so just cupsys package and NOTHING else is required at all? |
| 22:10.20 | ribnitz | sigp239: and depending on the printing volume it might makes sense to have a dedicated server. |
| 22:10.30 | jim | Agiofws: relog into your x session (but REMEMBER FIRST, that the files in your home dir of the user that you're adding have to also be changed to the correct UID and GID |
| 22:10.40 | Eulex | firefox is always segfaulting when I try to copy the current url... |
| 22:10.50 | jim | or the user that you're changing |
| 22:10.53 | FlimFlamMan | someone better do a trace on runedude and make sure he doesn't hang himself |
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| 22:11.01 | sigp239 | ribnitz: I just want to print to a printer that is being shared on ANOTHER computer on this network here. |
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| 22:11.11 | thingfish | hehe FlimFlamMan |
| 22:11.19 | BigBlockO | Cope, i looked at the manual and i couldn't find where it talked about setting up subdomains that weren't on a different IP address |
| 22:11.19 | Cope | FlimFlamMan: adduser with no arguments will give a default uid and gid - try it, or read the source. |
| 22:11.21 | ribnitz | sigp239: then you probably dont need a dedicated box. |
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| 22:11.34 | raf256 | how to get info about given domain? |
| 22:11.39 | raf256 | like coutnry/city, adn so on |
| 22:11.40 | FlimFlamMan | Cope, i know - i thought he was trying to create a user with a specific uid/gid |
| 22:11.44 | sigp239 | ribnitz: I just want to be able to print to a printer! |
| 22:11.44 | Demosthenes | so now that sarge has been released, should i change my woody boxes sources to be woody, not stable? |
| 22:11.49 | Cope | FlimFlamMan: sure - and sorry for being pedantic. |
| 22:11.51 | sigp239 | ribnitz: how do I do that? |
| 22:11.57 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, stop dreaming - this is linux |
| 22:12.08 | jim | so then, you will have the following situation... you will have a user on the one box and a user on the other box... and their UIDs and GIDs match with each other... AND the files that are supposed to be owned by each user also match the UID and GID of the users |
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| 22:12.26 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: When I click File ---> Print, my printer doesn't show up. How do I make my printer show up in the list? |
| 22:12.29 | jim | once you have that, log out of everything, log back in, try it |
| 22:12.40 | ribnitz | sigp239: apt-get install cupsys cups-lpd foomatic-filters-ppds (as a start) |
| 22:12.46 | Cope | runedude: oh no :-( |
| 22:12.48 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, which desktop |
| 22:12.53 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: Gnome |
| 22:13.03 | Cope | runedude: and you didn't have proper backups? |
| 22:13.06 | runedude | Cope: bleh, fk it, it doesnt matter, lol |
| 22:13.10 | runedude | Cope: that WAS my backup, LOL |
| 22:13.15 | runedude | I accidently deleted my backup |
| 22:13.24 | paulswm | Athon_Solo: That's probably a better question for #bash maybe. Off the top of my head, you could trap the signal and reschedule the process, or run a daemon which checks every few seconds if the processes are running, or run a cron job which does the same, etc. |
| 22:13.25 | Cope | runedude: lesson of the day, backups are on external storage. |
| 22:13.27 | ribnitz | sigp239: once you done that, set up the stuff at localhost:631 |
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| 22:13.30 | runedude | Cope: true |
| 22:13.41 | BigBlockO | ribnitz: i've configured the subdomain in the sites file, rather than the named.conf file |
| 22:13.43 | FlimFlamMan | make sure the packages are installed that ribnitz just gave you. |
| 22:13.47 | runedude | my disks are made |
| 22:13.51 | sigp239 | ribnitz: are you sure that's it? is there an official guide or something for debian 3.1? why isn't this stuff installed by default?? |
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| 22:13.55 | Cope | runedude: ace |
| 22:14.23 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, is there a "Printing" menu option in your "System" menu? |
| 22:14.23 | Eulex | sigp239: almost nothing is installed "by default" on debian |
| 22:14.27 | ribnitz | sigp239: not everyone needs a printer, cups is not the only printing system out there... |
| 22:14.54 | Eulex | need to |
| 22:14.56 | ribnitz | Eulex: i wish vim was, but no, we get nano. |
| 22:15.11 | june | hello there !!i have just installed debian..and seems i have problems 2 get in..i get error from XFREE with configuration of the grtaphic card..it doesnt allow me 2 reconfigure just 2 read output errors,, i loged in 2 "safe mode" what should i do inorder 2 reconfigure xfree? |
| 22:15.22 | Eulex | ribnitz: eh? |
| 22:15.26 | Agiofws | jim, isn't there something like NAT between uid nfs server and local machine? |
| 22:15.34 | ribnitz | Eulex: vim is not part of base. |
| 22:15.34 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: "Applications --> System Tools --> Printing" and it says "The CUPS server could not be contacted." |
| 22:15.36 | paulswm | !2 |
| 22:15.36 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 22:15.46 | Agiofws | its giving me a pain in da ass di ting |
| 22:15.48 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, then you have to install those cups packages |
| 22:15.56 | sigp239 | ribnitz: there is no cupsys-lpd package |
| 22:16.02 | Eulex | ribnitz: ok... but nano is better for n00bs |
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| 22:16.15 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, i think synaptic is an easy to use package manager for gnome, i've never used it though |
| 22:16.21 | raf256 | in what package is program "cat", how to checkit? |
| 22:16.25 | ribnitz | sigp239: sorry, cupsys-bsd. |
| 22:16.25 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: exactly which packages must I install? |
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| 22:16.33 | seldon | sigp239: It's called cupsys-bsd |
| 22:16.38 | BigBlockO | Cope, can i show you my sites file? |
| 22:16.40 | Eulex | raf256: cat should be in the base... |
| 22:16.41 | june | mm , how to configure xfree from debian"safe mode" ? |
| 22:16.42 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, what are you using to install - apt-get or synaptic or...? |
| 22:16.51 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: I'm comfortable with either. |
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| 22:16.59 | Eulex | june: it's a feature in grub, not xfree86 |
| 22:17.07 | sigp239 | seldon: so cupsys, cupsys-bsd, and foomatic-filters-ppds, and that's it? |
| 22:17.12 | raf256 | Eulex: so whats the name? I wanna apt-get source cat |
| 22:17.27 | june | mm i entered grub |
| 22:17.33 | ribnitz | sigp239: there will be a few packages more, but they are depends. |
| 22:17.38 | seldon | cupsys and foomatic usually suffice, cupsys-bsd is for the bsd printing compatibility layer |
| 22:17.51 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, try cupsys-bsd and see if that pulls everything in |
| 22:17.54 | alexscott | logik: is var &= ~tutu; same as var ^= tutu; |
| 22:17.59 | seldon | Although I usually use the gimpprint divers |
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| 22:18.22 | Eulex | raf256: coreutils |
| 22:18.23 | ribnitz | seldon: if you share a printer the other box might be that ms crap system, which handles lpd much better than ipp. |
| 22:18.26 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: cupsys-bsd doesn't pull in cupsys |
| 22:18.27 | FlimFlamMan | seldon, i think cupsys-bsd is required to print from several apps |
| 22:18.43 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: do I really need cupsys-bsd? what does it do? same question for foomatic-filters-ppds. |
| 22:18.56 | raf256 | Eulex: thnx |
| 22:18.56 | ribnitz | FlimFlamMan: its the (familiar) lpd commands for cupas |
| 22:18.59 | ribnitz | FlimFlamMan: its the (familiar) lpd commands for cups |
| 22:19.03 | alekzandr | i have installed qmail, and i need to remove exim without removing courier et al, is there a way to remove exim only? |
| 22:19.03 | jim | Agiofws: you mean a mapper for UIDs and GIDs? maybe; I don't know |
| 22:19.06 | Cope | BigBlockO: sorry, I'm not really up for involved bind troubleshooting - its getting late - you can show me, but I can't promise to be around for long |
| 22:19.09 | Eulex | raf256: you can use dlocate to find out which package a file belongs to; I did dlocate -S /bin/cat |
| 22:19.16 | raf256 | thnx |
| 22:19.20 | ribnitz | sigp239: do you trust me? |
| 22:19.26 | seldon | foomatic-filters-ppds contains drivers for various printers. cupsys-bsd provides a bsd style printing interface (lpr and lpd) |
| 22:19.28 | Cope | BigBlockO: use #flood or some such thing, then others can see too |
| 22:19.30 | raf256 | sigp239: will you marry me? |
| 22:19.33 | jim | tHAT is a loaded question :P |
| 22:19.35 | cinix | apt is crashed when I try and use it, is there a way to rebuild the database info? |
| 22:19.47 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, i think it's needed for anything that doesn't do cups |
| 22:19.47 | maher | cinix: what error |
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| 22:19.48 | ribnitz | cinix: reinstall. |
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| 22:19.52 | sigp239 | ribnitz: I'm inclined to trust you, but I am asking so maybe someone else will independently verify your statements. |
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| 22:20.17 | cinix | heh, reinstall huh |
| 22:20.18 | sigp239 | so technically I don't need cupsys-bsd? |
| 22:20.22 | alekzandr | i have installed qmail, and i need to remove exim without removing courier et al, is there a way to remove exim only? |
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| 22:20.23 | cinix | it seems to fail when reading /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:20.25 | cinix | it seg faults |
| 22:20.27 | jim | sigp239: the way you do that is to read the documentation involved. btw, VERY good idea to know what' |
| 22:20.32 | jim | you're abotu to do. |
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| 22:20.34 | alekzandr | sorry about that |
| 22:20.45 | seldon | No, you don't need cupsys-bsd, except for really old applications. |
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| 22:20.50 | BigBlockO | okay |
| 22:20.50 | maher | cinix: try mving status somewhere else and copying status-old to status |
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| 22:20.53 | BigBlockO | cope: okay |
| 22:21.06 | BigBlockO | cope: here http://pastebin.com/299583 |
| 22:21.07 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, it won't hurt to have it. but if you want you can put off installing it until you use a program that doesn't do cups |
| 22:21.18 | ribnitz | sigp239: As said before: foomatic-filters-ppds is various printer drivers, cupsys-bsd is the lpd server (and lpd/lpr/lpstat.. commands) useful for printing from Windows too. |
| 22:21.19 | sigp239 | jim: I wish there was an good guide for cups installation for debian 3.1.....don't want to have to become a literal expert on cups just to print to a printer :) |
| 22:21.21 | maher | cinix: if that also fails try one of the older ones in /var/backup |
| 22:21.27 | cinix | err I did an apt-get update, should have thought of that :-/ |
| 22:21.37 | Cope | BigBlockO: ok; now give us the one sentence problem statement - what are you trying to achieve? |
| 22:21.43 | cinix | seems to have fixed it. I wonder what cause the corruption though. should I be worried it's on the hardware level |
| 22:21.46 | maher | sigp239: apt-get install cupsys then point your browser to localhost:631 |
| 22:21.47 | cinix | or does apt hiccup sometimes |
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| 22:21.59 | cinix | heh impossible to answer question I guess. |
| 22:22.01 | cinix | n/m |
| 22:22.02 | BigBlockO | Cope: i'm trying to get the international.energyweb.us subdomain to work |
| 22:22.04 | maher | cinix: read the kernel / syslogs in /var/log |
| 22:22.04 | samuel | i remember the old sawfish you could hide/unhide, make sticky, etc all the windows of the system... something called matched windows i think. is there such functionality in metacity? if so, whats it called please? |
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| 22:22.29 | Agiofws | yes jim |
| 22:22.33 | seldon | sigp239: apt-get install cupsys foomatic-filters-ppds, then use your favorite web browser and go to http://localhost:631 |
| 22:22.34 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, if you're using gnome desktop you can also install foomatic-gui, which will give you an interface to set up printers etc once cups is installed |
| 22:22.39 | Eulex | samuel: you can use sawfish on gnome if you wish |
| 22:22.41 | seldon | It's point & click from there. |
| 22:22.49 | BigBlockO | Cope: the mail.energyweb.us subdomain works, but the international one does not |
| 22:23.07 | cinix | maher, yea they don't tell me anything usefull |
| 22:23.19 | maher | cinix: maybe just a cosmic ray.. |
| 22:23.25 | cinix | I think your right |
| 22:23.30 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, foomatic-gui is what runs when you select the Menu -> System -> Printers option |
| 22:23.50 | samuel | Eulex, i know, but i like the way its all built together, gnome-art and the like, will all that work with sawfish? |
| 22:24.06 | Eulex | samuel: nope |
| 22:24.19 | sigp239 | oh I thought that was gnome-cups-manager |
| 22:24.21 | jim | Agiofws: maybe there is, maybe there isn't; again, I don't know... but I do know it's better to match the UIDs and GIDs of the files between the two machines, as well as matching those of the users |
| 22:24.26 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, that's another one |
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| 22:24.34 | Eulex | cinix: global warming? I'd be literally flooded |
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| 22:24.50 | Cope | BigBlockO: how are you testing it? |
| 22:24.51 | cinix | Eulex, yea me too probably :-P |
| 22:25.01 | cinix | but I'll just build a boat |
| 22:25.04 | cinix | screw land anyways |
| 22:25.11 | jim | once you do that, you will need to log out and log back in, it's vaguely possible you'd need to reboot one or both machines after you do that |
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| 22:25.19 | GOnehaha | Hello guys my system is fcked once it Gets to Starting: mysqld... it just stops working and doesnt do anything at all. I got myself as far to: Lilo boot menu and then boot: , what do i need to type to get back in the files? i tried with linux live on Cd but then i get read/write problems... :( |
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| 22:25.30 | BigBlockO | cope: i'm going to international.energyweb.us using lynx on the server, and it's saying it can't find the server |
| 22:25.33 | Eulex | yeah, screw you, what's-it-called... landguys |
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| 22:25.49 | BigBlockO | cope: which is also what it says when i try it from my local machine |
| 22:25.50 | cinix | lol damn apt is crashing again |
| 22:25.52 | cinix | that didn't take long |
| 22:26.05 | vtohr | Debian king http://69.89.74.24/vtohr |
| 22:26.16 | cinix | off to fsck I suppose, so lame |
| 22:26.17 | jim | GOnehaha: history? (note, you've been given an answer to this and it doesn't look like you've tried it) |
| 22:26.24 | Eulex | apt crashing? |
| 22:26.35 | jim | apt caching |
| 22:26.39 | liz4rd | http://datapirate.ath.cx |
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| 22:27.06 | sigp239 | I added the printer with foomatic-gui, but it doesn't show up in the window. |
| 22:27.08 | jim | rapt dashing, slapped stashing |
| 22:27.34 | lxuser | lots of spam chat in this network :-) |
| 22:27.35 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, might have to restart cups? dunno |
| 22:27.41 | Eulex | liz4rd: why are you posting links to (I suppose) your forum? |
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| 22:27.58 | jim | lxuser: unsolicited commercial postings? |
| 22:27.59 | june | how can i configure my display under debian?it doesnt let me get into gnome.. |
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| 22:28.08 | liz4rd | sorry i clikcthe middle button and it was on my clip bored i thought i posted somethign els |
| 22:28.24 | lxuser | troll alert |
| 22:28.25 | Eulex | liz4rd: ok |
| 22:28.43 | BigBlockO | june |
| 22:28.43 | Agiofws | jim, so when you have 50 machine lan ......... do all the uids match the only one of the nfs server?????? |
| 22:28.48 | Cope | BigBlockO: so mail. works? what does host mail.energyweb.us say? |
| 22:28.49 | Agiofws | alla having the same uids |
| 22:28.51 | w00t | does any one play runescape? |
| 22:28.56 | vtohr | I do |
| 22:29.03 | liz4rd | lol @ runescape |
| 22:29.05 | w00t | im master |
| 22:29.11 | vtohr | good for you |
| 22:29.16 | jim | Agiofws: I wrote extensive infrastructure code meant to create users that do match, yes. |
| 22:29.16 | FlimFlamMan | Agiofws, that's when you use nis/nis+/ldap |
| 22:29.24 | jim | it's buggy... |
| 22:29.28 | vtohr | im mxv1234 |
| 22:29.28 | BigBlockO | cope: mail.energyweb.us has address 208.151.246.182 |
| 22:29.34 | BigBlockO | which is what it should say |
| 22:29.34 | Eulex | !gamersmite w00t |
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| 22:29.46 | Eulex | we need a gamersmite!!! |
| 22:30.03 | w00t | im lvl 73 on runescape |
| 22:30.05 | alekzandr | i have installed qmail, and i need to remove exim without removing courier et al, is there a way to remove exim only? |
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| 22:30.06 | Cope | BigBlockO: ok, what about www. ? |
| 22:30.16 | w00t | and full rune (g) |
| 22:30.23 | vtohr | im pretty high up there as well |
| 22:30.36 | BigBlockO | cope: same thing as mail |
| 22:30.39 | w00t | i got billons |
| 22:30.51 | Eulex | we seriously need a gamersmite now... |
| 22:30.51 | Cope | BigBlockO: right, and what about international. |
| 22:30.51 | BigBlockO | cope: whereas international says Host international.energyweb.us not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
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| 22:31.02 | Cope | BigBlockO: right |
| 22:31.25 | icub3d | when I try apt-get install gcc-4.0 it fails saying it couldn't find the package. Any ideas why? |
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| 22:31.27 | FlimFlamMan | heh, you're welcome |
| 22:31.41 | Cope | BigBlockO: so all your a records work apart from international |
| 22:31.47 | vtohr | If your really good, and you enjoy playing the game try making money power leveling poeples characters you cant gop wrong |
| 22:31.48 | BigBlockO | no |
| 22:31.55 | BigBlockO | just www and mail |
| 22:31.59 | Eulex | icub3d: there's not such package |
| 22:32.04 | BigBlockO | cope: no, just www and mail |
| 22:32.06 | Cope | BigBlockO: ok, and what changed. |
| 22:32.08 | Eulex | *no |
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| 22:32.33 | BigBlockO | cope: well, i added international, but none of the other ones were working before that either |
| 22:32.46 | BigBlockO | cope: only mail and www worked, and when i added international, it didn't work |
| 22:32.48 | Agiofws | whats an extesive istaruction code?> |
| 22:32.53 | vtohr | Runescapes wriiten in Java ins't it |
| 22:32.55 | icub3d | Eulex, but when I search for it (http://packages.debian.org/gcc-4.0) it finds one |
| 22:33.12 | Eulex | icub3d: it may be in unstable or experimental |
| 22:33.24 | Eulex | but not on testing or stable |
| 22:33.26 | BigBlockO | cope: because as you can see, the file has sql in it as well, and that doesn't work |
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| 22:33.38 | Eulex | !gamersmite vtohr |
| 22:33.41 | FlimFlamMan | icub3d, are you running unstable? |
| 22:33.48 | icub3d | no |
| 22:33.52 | FlimFlamMan | there ya go |
| 22:34.00 | BigBlockO | cope: again, thank you for helping me with this |
| 22:34.04 | icub3d | if i try -t unstable it still won't install it then? |
| 22:34.06 | Cope | BigBlockO: to be honest these should really be cnames, since they're on the same machine |
| 22:34.09 | lxuser | in what package is program "cat", how to checkit? |
| 22:34.21 | Eulex | icub3d: gcc-4.0 is in unstable |
| 22:34.28 | Eulex | lxuser: cat is in coreutils |
| 22:34.39 | Cope | BigBlockO: I suppose you restarted named after making your changes |
| 22:34.44 | BigBlockO | yes |
| 22:34.58 | FlimFlamMan | icub3d, dunno. maybe you could add the unstable source to your sources.list, but that could cause problems |
| 22:35.06 | lxuser | for AMD Sempron should i have the -k7 or -k8 kernel? |
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| 22:35.47 | jim | Agiofws: the infrastructure code keeps track of a list of campuses, classes and servers, who is in what class, which classes need access to what server, who has added classes or dropped classes, who needs logins on what server, who needs to have their account removed from what server, what kind of machine is each server, how to add/remove from each kind of server |
| 22:35.48 | w00t | im playing CSs and talking t u guys |
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| 22:36.20 | BigBlockO | cope: is there anywhere else the mail domain would be configured? |
| 22:36.27 | BigBlockO | cope: something i'm not doing |
| 22:36.33 | sigp239 | when I try to add my printer with localhost:631, there is no option for a Windows printer |
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| 22:36.38 | Agiofws | do all the clinets have to have the same uid as the nfs server jim? |
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| 22:36.51 | sigp239 | how do I add the ability to print to a Windows printer? |
| 22:36.54 | jim | Agiofws: that's the easiest way |
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| 22:37.00 | Eulex | sigp239: I think samba can do that |
| 22:37.05 | jasoncohen | icub3d, you need to add an unstable source, then make a new file /etc/apt/apt.conf with the text "APT::Default-Release "testing";" and finally apt-get update |
| 22:37.06 | jim | then you don't need mapping |
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| 22:37.24 | quittt | what the fuck is hapenning |
| 22:37.25 | directhex | windows has an installable option called "unix printer service", removes the need to make samba do it |
| 22:37.29 | sigp239 | Eulex: so how do I make it so that I can add samba to cups? |
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| 22:37.58 | Agiofws | ok ... how did the other services though work on the local machines when you changes the uid ? |
| 22:38.05 | thingfish | directhex: I've seen that, but never played with it before. Been curious about it. |
| 22:38.12 | Eulex | sigp239: I dunno... I said "I think", so it's quite obvious that I don't know more |
| 22:38.17 | Agiofws | ok ... how did the other services though work on the local machines when you changed the uid ? in mine gnome fails to start even x |
| 22:38.24 | sigp239 | Does anyone else know how to add samba to cups? |
| 22:38.32 | lxuser | Does anyone else know how to add samba to cups? |
| 22:38.38 | Eulex | !anyone |
| 22:38.38 | dpkg | methinks anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:39.00 | Cope | BigBlockO: this is bind9? chrooted? |
| 22:39.22 | BigBlockO | Cope: i'm pretty sure its bind9 |
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| 22:39.57 | BigBlockO | but i don't know about chrooted |
| 22:40.00 | Cope | BigBlockO: grep -i bind /var.log/messages |
| 22:40.05 | icub3d | cool, thanks all! |
| 22:40.15 | jim | replace that . with a / |
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| 22:41.10 | cinix | so I keep having strange problems, apt is going nutty sometimes, and an fsck found nothing wrong with the hd so I know it's not that. but another problem arrize when I went back into gnome in which all my applets started to crash and crash, even gnome-terminal crashed (seems lik eonly gnome programs). Then X started going nutty and went to 100% and strace showed it was caught in the weeds doing SIGALRM(Alarm Clock), does anyone recognize tha |
| 22:41.10 | cinix | t and tell me what it means? |
| 22:41.38 | jshoenberger | In bash scripting, using double-quotes, which symbols get interpreted and not taken literally? |
| 22:41.39 | BigBlockO | Cope: that statement returns nothing |
| 22:41.47 | BigBlockO | Cope: command, i mean |
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| 22:42.03 | Cope | BigBlockO: there was a typo... |
| 22:42.18 | BigBlockO | i know |
| 22:42.22 | BigBlockO | i switch the period to a / |
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| 22:42.32 | BigBlockO | Cope: still nothing |
| 22:42.45 | w00t | i wish i was a linux master |
| 22:43.13 | Cope | BigBlockO: are you updating ipowerdns's DNS servers? I am not convinced you are. |
| 22:43.39 | BigBlockO | i'm not convinced i am either |
| 22:43.48 | BigBlockO | i called them and they said something about it being a parked domain |
| 22:43.48 | k\o\w5 | which is recommended for a slower powerbook, KDE or gnome? |
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| 22:43.59 | BigBlockO | i've only been running the server for about a week now |
| 22:44.03 | Cope | BigBlockO: when you did host was that on the dns server itself? |
| 22:44.07 | jim | w00t: just keep practicing, and especially practicing solving problems by doing anything EXCEPT any form of asking a person |
| 22:44.22 | BigBlockO | yes, that was on the server which is running bind |
| 22:44.26 | jim | that's how you develop mastery |
| 22:44.27 | BigBlockO | the energyweb.us server |
| 22:44.42 | Cope | BigBlockO: host -t soa energyweb.us localhost |
| 22:44.46 | bigbill52a | cinix have you checked your ram? |
| 22:44.56 | GOnehaha | Hello, I still have the problem that my debian stops doing anything when : Starting: mysqld... (it will not go on , i even tried in the boot line of lilo : init=/bin/bash/ but that wont work either... |
| 22:45.21 | BigBlockO | Cope: connection timed out |
| 22:45.26 | BigBlockO | no servers could be reached |
| 22:45.31 | Cope | BigBlockO: ! |
| 22:45.40 | Cope | is bind even running? |
| 22:45.51 | jim | GOnehaha: as far as the init=... line, you have to pick an image to load and put that first on the line (hit tab at boot: to get list of images) |
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| 22:46.00 | cinix | bigbill52a, wouldn't know how to check it, but I don't suspect bad RAM |
| 22:46.01 | steve | hi all |
| 22:46.03 | steve | how would I go about unmounting a none-responsive NFS dir? |
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| 22:46.05 | BigBlockO | Cope: i've stopped and restarted it a couple of times |
| 22:46.09 | BigBlockO | cope: so i think it is |
| 22:46.12 | BigBlockO | how can i check? |
| 22:46.15 | cinix | well maybe, i use the nForce onboard video, which is all kinds of wierdness |
| 22:46.25 | GOnehaha | ok jim |
| 22:46.27 | GOnehaha | ill try that |
| 22:46.33 | cinix | shares onboard memory, and it doesn't alway uninitialize when I switch to console and stuff like that |
| 22:46.33 | jim | steve: isn't there a -n or -m option to mount? check man mount |
| 22:46.45 | cinix | so you boot back in and shit goes haywire. but, that's just a guess |
| 22:46.53 | cinix | I found a debian bug already posted, but no solution |
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| 22:47.19 | jim | haywire shit... hmm, that could be a problem allright :) |
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| 22:47.27 | Cope | BigBlockO: pgrep -l named |
| 22:47.28 | cinix | :) |
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| 22:47.40 | hugl | heya all |
| 22:47.40 | cinix | I hate nVidia's drivers for nForce 1 |
| 22:47.50 | bigbill52a | cinix..does system work alright with xp? |
| 22:47.51 | BigBlockO | 2207 named |
| 22:47.51 | BigBlockO | 2208 named |
| 22:47.51 | BigBlockO | 2209 named |
| 22:47.51 | BigBlockO | 2210 named |
| 22:47.51 | BigBlockO | 2211 named |
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| 22:48.06 | BigBlockO | sorry |
| 22:48.11 | jim | and another one bites the dust... |
| 22:48.17 | cinix | bigbill52a, wouldn't know, haven't run windows on it |
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| 22:48.26 | Cope | Bulldog: you only needed to say several processes running :-) |
| 22:48.27 | directhex | cinix, which drivers for nforce1? and nforce 1 was a poor chipset |
| 22:48.39 | Cope | BigBlockO: Silly |
| 22:48.42 | cinix | It's the proprietory ones for video |
| 22:48.51 | cinix | kernel supports sound and ide controllers no prob |
| 22:48.52 | BigBlockO | yea, i shouldn't have pasted |
| 22:48.54 | hugl | Heya guys. after upgrading to sarge, can't check mail using POP... getting: "usr/sbin/vchkpw: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory" is there anythink I can do ? |
| 22:49.03 | BigBlockO | but can you tell from what i pasted if its running or not? |
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| 22:49.08 | Cope | BigBlockO: try host -t soa energyweb.us 208.151.246.182 |
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| 22:49.17 | cinix | I always attributed my x crashes to the bad driver because it happened everytime I logged out |
| 22:49.19 | jim | BigBlockO: you can use something like rafb.net/paste or you can put it on your own web server |
| 22:49.27 | cinix | couldn't log out and log back in because applets would just die |
| 22:49.48 | cinix | never had Xserver go into an endless loop though |
| 22:49.57 | BigBlockO | Cope: i pasted the response in flood |
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| 22:50.08 | bigbill52a | try telinit 1 to exit xserver and ctrl d to reenter it? |
| 22:50.15 | w00t | there is 822 people in here and one newb get kick out lol |
| 22:50.19 | BigBlockO | Cope: it said energyweb.us not found 2(SERVFAIL) |
| 22:50.23 | Cope | BigBlockO: try netstat -an | fgrep 53 |
| 22:50.28 | Cope | BigBlockO: try netstat -an | fgrep -w 53 |
| 22:50.32 | cinix | I ssh'd in and killed the xserver, since it rebooted I haven't had a problem |
| 22:50.55 | Cope | BigBlockO: looks like it isn't loading the zone |
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| 22:51.04 | cinix | err apt still segfaults, stupid thing |
| 22:51.12 | snarf | is there a 2.6 kernel, in sid perhaps? |
| 22:51.14 | bigbill52a | you test memory with memcheck |
| 22:51.26 | Cope | BigBlockO: and do you remember me saying I didn't want to do involved bind troubleshooting? |
| 22:51.33 | BigBlockO | yea |
| 22:51.35 | BigBlockO | its cool |
| 22:51.38 | BigBlockO | thank you for your help |
| 22:51.42 | bigbill52a | i cant remember if that is one of the choices at boot on debian |
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| 22:51.55 | BigBlockO | Cope: thank you for your help |
| 22:52.07 | Cope | BigBlockO: are you tailing the logfiles? |
| 22:52.08 | Eulex | snarf: yes... even sarge has a 2.6 kernel |
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| 22:52.24 | BigBlockO | i dont' have them open but i can |
| 22:52.30 | BigBlockO | which one should i be looking at |
| 22:52.31 | petemc | BigBlockO: rndc querylog will toggle verbose logging |
| 22:52.35 | Cope | BigBlockO: start tail -f ing them |
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| 22:52.46 | cinix | hey thats exciting, I reproduced the problem |
| 22:52.57 | Cope | BigBlockO: and then do rndc reload energyweb.us |
| 22:53.02 | cinix | apt-cache search works fine at first |
| 22:53.06 | cinix | apt-get remove app seg faults |
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| 22:53.17 | snarf | Eulex: awesome. just not installed by default? |
| 22:53.18 | cinix | then in a matter of seconds XFree86 flips out and does the same thing, off in the weeds |
| 22:53.23 | BigBlockO | wait, which log file do I tail? |
| 22:53.25 | Eulex | snarf: nope |
| 22:53.31 | BigBlockO | before i do rndc reload energyweb.us |
| 22:53.37 | cinix | And there's nothing in syslog or messages, so how is X and apt connected? |
| 22:53.43 | Eulex | snarf: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 22:53.46 | bahamat | BigBlockO: /var/log/syslog |
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| 22:53.56 | cinix | only by the partition I can imagine, which isn't having any problems according to fsck -f |
| 22:54.04 | sentinel | hmm |
| 22:54.15 | snarf | thanks |
| 22:54.41 | Cope | BigBlockO: syslog |
| 22:54.52 | BigBlockO | cool |
| 22:55.16 | BigBlockO | Cope: it said reload faled: not found |
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| 22:55.23 | Cope | BigBlockO: as expected |
| 22:55.41 | cinix | Oh but dmesg shows something! |
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| 22:55.47 | BigBlockO | ok, so so what am i not doing? |
| 22:55.54 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, install samba ; go to http://localhost:631 ; add the printer as smb://host/printer |
| 22:56.09 | xiaogil | I tried many ways to convert the following file "http://www.chant.org/scripts/chant/icb_result.asp?title=H00001" into UTF-8, but none worked, someone has an idea (I gave the address, because my hope to find a solution is almost lost) |
| 22:56.18 | cinix | NVRM: Xid: 6, PE0000 0190 0000001d 00000000 00000192 00000036 Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address fffffffc |
| 22:56.22 | sentinel | I tried installing from the debian 3.1 r0a "sarge" i386 net-install disc, and the disk partitioner freezes at 38%... any reason why? (I have two SATA western digital hard drives, and they're working perfectly fine) |
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| 22:56.26 | BigBlockO | Cope: is bind not running, or is it not pusing the new domain info to the DNS server, or what? |
| 22:56.28 | Cope | BigBlockO: paste some context in #flood |
| 22:56.34 | cinix | sure does look like memory huh |
| 22:56.37 | xiaogil | So i'm wondering if it's actually possible |
| 22:56.41 | cinix | how do I test my memory? |
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| 22:57.11 | BigBlockO | Cope: by context, do you mean other config files? |
| 22:57.13 | GOnehaha | jim? starting with init=/bin/bash/ is also stopping... |
| 22:57.24 | Eulex | cinix: apt-get install memtest86 |
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| 22:57.33 | sentinel | has anyone else had problems with the debian disk partitioner? |
| 22:57.38 | Cope | BigBlockO: no the logs once you tried to reload the zones |
| 22:57.41 | cinix | hehe lets see if apt crashes x again :-0P |
| 22:57.45 | BigBlockO | ah |
| 22:57.53 | sentinel | I tried installing from the debian 3.1 r0a "sarge" i386 net-install disc, and the disk partitioner freezes at 38%... any reason why? (I have two SATA western digital hard drives, and they're working perfectly fine) |
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| 22:57.58 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: I already have samba installed....I'm running a samba file server |
| 22:57.59 | cinix | stupid thing |
| 22:58.01 | cinix | download it from the site I guess |
| 22:58.10 | Eulex | sentinel: no need to repeat |
| 22:58.10 | petemc | BigBlockO: in a default debian install, all you have to do is put the name of the zone into /etc/bind/named.conf.local |
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| 22:58.15 | GOnehaha | Hello, I still have the problem that my debian stops doing anything when : Starting: mysqld... (it will not go on , i even tried in the boot line of lilo : linux-2.2.20 init=/bin/bash/ but that wont work either... |
| 22:58.20 | jbrand | cinix - www.memtest86.org - or download and burn an ISO. |
| 22:58.25 | petemc | BigBlockO: then have the zone file in /var/cache/bind/ |
| 22:58.25 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: On localhost:631 there is no option for an SMB device. |
| 22:58.46 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, i think you are reminding me of something |
| 22:58.57 | jim | jbrand: or make a grub floppy and put memtest86 on there |
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| 22:59.06 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, hold on |
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| 22:59.11 | GOnehaha | Hello, I still have the problem that my debian stops doing anything when : Starting: mysqld... (it will not go on , i even tried in the boot line of lilo : linux-2.2.20 init=/bin/bash/ but that wont work either... |
| 22:59.25 | Cope | BigBlockO: can you restart bind without pissing people off? |
| 22:59.34 | BigBlockO | yes |
| 22:59.35 | jbrand | jbrand: thanks. I don't need it, cinix does :) |
| 22:59.42 | narg | Heh, I was stuck with only a bootable X-less freebsd disk today, and I found the bsd is close to linux, but far enough away to screw with me badly :p |
| 22:59.42 | bigbill52a | or download the system rescue cd iso and burn the iso to cd...you can choose memtest before the boot |
| 22:59.43 | Eulex | GOnehaha: try booting in single user mode |
| 22:59.46 | jim | GOnehaha: why doesn't it work? |
| 22:59.57 | sentinel | anyone know why the debian disk partitioner would freeze at 38%? |
| 23:00.02 | BigBlockO | cope: yes i can, and i do that by typing /etc/init.d/bind restart |
| 23:00.08 | Cope | BigBlockO: then stop bind, check its stopped, then start it, and paste the syslog / daemon.log entries in #flood |
| 23:00.12 | GOnehaha | well it still keeps crashing :S i dont know ur asking a pretty much noob... who cant live without the files on it :p |
| 23:00.13 | jim | too cold? |
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| 23:00.20 | abrotman | linux-2.2.20 is not a debian kernel afaik .. and .. he's using woody if he is |
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| 23:00.23 | bigbill52a | http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
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| 23:00.27 | Cope | BigBlockO: i prefer to stop, verify its stopped, then start |
| 23:00.48 | GOnehaha | abrotman thats something i typed looking similar |
| 23:00.56 | w00t | i install debian in 3 floopys |
| 23:01.00 | GOnehaha | hold on illg et ya the real info anyway it has debian 3.0 RC 2 on it |
| 23:01.03 | Eulex | sentinel: nope... could you try pressing CTRL-ALT-F1 CTRL-ALT-F2 etc to check if you can see any error mesage |
| 23:01.09 | jim | w00t: pretty good |
| 23:01.12 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, when you get to Device: prompt, you have no option for "Windows printer via SAMBA"? |
| 23:01.14 | sentinel | ah |
| 23:01.16 | Cope | someone get me coffee |
| 23:01.17 | bigbill52a | with the system rescue cd...you can just type memtest at the initial boot screen |
| 23:01.21 | sentinel | I'll start over again and check :) |
| 23:01.27 | bigbill52a | or aida...etc |
| 23:01.28 | sentinel | brb. |
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| 23:01.40 | xiaogil | Why is it possible to save an html file with a new encoding with Mozilla on Windows, and not on Linux ? |
| 23:01.49 | jim | maybe the trailing / is what got ya... /bin/bash is a file, not a dir |
| 23:01.59 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: That is correct |
| 23:02.00 | w00t | debian ask so much question when u install make me bored |
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| 23:02.09 | cinix | heh yep |
| 23:02.23 | jim | xiaogil: oh,,, a -research- question... |
| 23:02.24 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, at root prompt, could you do: dpkg-reconfigure cupsys and tell me what options are selected? |
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| 23:02.25 | Eulex | xiaogil: maybe different versions of firefox? |
| 23:02.27 | DrRighteous | looking for help setting up UML networking under debian. willing to paypal :) |
| 23:02.33 | bigbill52a | use the system rescue cd a lot in my business...moving files between trashed windows computers to a temporary external hd...so my customers dont lose any of their porno...ugh documents |
| 23:02.46 | cinix | oh I have to reboot to test my memory, that won't tell me if the nVidia drivers sharing my memory for video is what's causing problems |
| 23:02.47 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, second screen, on backends |
| 23:02.48 | cinix | *sigh* |
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| 23:03.13 | jim | !info rmagic |
| 23:03.15 | xiaogil | Eulex: no, the versions are the same |
| 23:03.17 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: ipp, lpd, parallel, socket, and usb. |
| 23:03.18 | GOnehaha | abrotman : it says: linuxOLD-2.20 |
| 23:03.19 | dpkg | rmagic: (Report Magic for Analog), section web, is extra. Version: 2.21-3 (sid), Packaged size: 483 kB, Installed size: 2084 kB |
| 23:03.25 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: Those are the ones selected |
| 23:03.42 | bigbill52a | but if it is memory...it would affect the shared nvidia... |
| 23:03.47 | jim | !info libgd-tools |
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| 23:03.51 | dpkg | libgd-tools: (GD command line tools and example code), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.0.33-2 (sid), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 23:03.52 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, oh well. same as mine. i had a similar problem in the past (cups did not display an option) and fixed it there. |
| 23:03.54 | Eulex | xiaogil: go join something like #firefox (if there is one) |
| 23:04.04 | GOnehaha | !info brainless |
| 23:04.08 | jim | !info libgd2 |
| 23:04.12 | dpkg | libgd2: (GD Graphics Library version 2), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 2.0.33-2 (sid), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 352 kB |
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| 23:04.17 | Cope | BigBlockO: grep -v slapd would have helped |
| 23:04.21 | abrotman | GOnehaha: what did you do to mysql ? |
| 23:04.21 | GOnehaha | !info porn |
| 23:04.31 | GOnehaha | [15/Wed 01:00] <dpkg> Package 'porn' does not exist. <-- how cheap |
| 23:04.32 | glud01 | somebody can help me to configure lilo or grub? |
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| 23:04.54 | jim | glud01: first pick one :P |
| 23:04.59 | BigBlockO | Cope: i pasted the results in flood |
| 23:05.02 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: doesn't reflect well that it's so darned difficult to get something as basic as printing to a windows printer working |
| 23:05.04 | glud01 | well grb |
| 23:05.08 | glud01 | grub |
| 23:05.14 | Cope | BigBlockO: we can see - but we didn't need the ldap noise |
| 23:05.18 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, you don't need to tell me that. |
| 23:05.19 | jim | ok, do you have grub installed |
| 23:05.24 | glud01 | yes |
| 23:05.26 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, do you have smbclient installed? |
| 23:05.30 | BigBlockO | sorry |
| 23:05.39 | w00t | i hate does dumb newbs selling linux on ebay trying to make money off some thinking so free |
| 23:05.42 | jim | what happens when you boot? |
| 23:05.44 | BigBlockO | Cope: sorry, i wasn't sure you were just looking for the named stuff |
| 23:05.45 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: Don't think so |
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| 23:06.25 | thingfish | w00t: hey, don't be so quick to knock them. I'm on dialup; I rely on such vendors for big things I can't download myself. |
| 23:06.29 | glud01 | well is somebody computer, He install sarge and in the same PC there is windows, but seems that he can access to windowws |
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| 23:06.50 | GOnehaha | I Have Debian 3.0 RC 2 running, however it wont go past Starting mysql databases: mysqld it will not respond to ctrl +c / ctrl + q or ctrl + alt + backspace and 80 other billion keycodes... i need to get the files from within the shell since Knoppix Live on CD is friggin not allowing me to get the files making me unable to use... ANy help would really be appreciated... |
| 23:06.57 | Cope | BigBlockO: ok, now try a restart |
| 23:07.08 | w00t | who is going to play linux on dial up lol |
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| 23:07.19 | Eulex | GOnehaha, can you start in single user mode and disable mysqld? |
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| 23:07.25 | Cope | BigBlockO: and look for something like connect failed: connection refused |
| 23:07.31 | GOnehaha | Eulex how do i start Single user mode? |
| 23:07.31 | thingfish | "play" linux? OK, now we know you're mindset. |
| 23:07.41 | GOnehaha | with : init=/bin/bash/ ? then no. |
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| 23:07.46 | jim | glud01: so he can only boot windows? |
| 23:07.50 | Eulex | GOnehaha, add single after the kernel command in grub |
| 23:07.52 | BigBlockO | wait, a restart of bind? |
| 23:07.59 | shingouz | GOnehaha: try 'linux single' |
| 23:08.00 | BigBlockO | Cope: a restart of bind, right? |
| 23:08.05 | glud01 | no, he only can boot debian |
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| 23:08.07 | GOnehaha | ok hold on |
| 23:08.07 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: works now with smbclient installed |
| 23:08.12 | jim | or of bind9 if that's what you have |
| 23:08.13 | glud01 | but not windows |
| 23:08.14 | Cope | BigBlockO: aye |
| 23:08.18 | shingouz | GOnehaha: at the boot prompt that is |
| 23:08.23 | jim | glud01: ohhh |
| 23:08.31 | thingfish | w00t: do you "play" linux often? |
| 23:08.35 | Eulex | GOnehaha, are you using grub or lilo? |
| 23:08.36 | jim | so debian is no problem, but windows can't be booted |
| 23:08.44 | sentinel | hmm, who was the person that spoke to me a few minutes ago? |
| 23:08.45 | jim | that right? |
| 23:08.46 | glud01 | waht can I do? and I try with lilo but nothing happend |
| 23:08.52 | Eulex | jim: what windows? |
| 23:08.54 | FlimFlamMan | your welcome, bitch |
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| 23:09.10 | jim | Eulex: the broken ones! |
| 23:09.22 | Eulex | jim, hehe, I mean, what version? |
| 23:09.25 | jim | btw, I dunno what windows he has |
| 23:09.28 | GOnehaha | Im using LILO |
| 23:09.31 | jim | let's find out |
| 23:09.40 | glud01 | however I install and then unistall lilo and it continue bootin by lilo |
| 23:09.41 | BigBlockO | Cope: nothing like that |
| 23:09.46 | GOnehaha | i typed linuxOLD-2.20 single |
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| 23:09.58 | GOnehaha | he starts up as usual , gotta wait till fsck to complete :/ |
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| 23:10.05 | sharkie | hi |
| 23:10.12 | sharkie | all |
| 23:10.17 | Cope | BigBlockO: ok, I need to know if you're running this in a chroot |
| 23:10.18 | shingouz | GOnehaha: probably a dirty shutdown |
| 23:10.26 | w00t | i dont play linux i learn its like a game |
| 23:10.49 | Cope | BigBlockO: I am assuming not |
| 23:11.00 | jim | glud01: what windows he got? |
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| 23:11.10 | glud01 | xp |
| 23:11.10 | Cope | BigBlockO: and that it's running as a non-root user |
| 23:11.11 | sentinel | Eulex: I did that, the ALT-F4 window showed the debug messages, nothing that showed any errors.. it just hung at 38% when 'scanning disks' |
| 23:11.19 | BigBlockO | how can i tell? |
| 23:11.23 | BigBlockO | cope: how can i tell |
| 23:11.25 | Cope | BigBlockO: if this is debian and you're using the debian maintainer's package |
| 23:11.36 | Eulex | sentinel: strange |
| 23:11.43 | jim | Eulex, xp... you know how to boot that from grub? |
| 23:11.57 | glud01 | or lilo |
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| 23:12.05 | BigBlockO | I'm assuming the install was pretty standard |
| 23:12.09 | Cope | BigBlockO: if you don't know the answer to that, maybe you shouldn't be trying to run your own dns |
| 23:12.09 | Eulex | jim: sorry, I dunno... |
| 23:12.15 | GOnehaha | shingouz i cant shut it down properly... I CANT coz when it comes to: Starting or SHutdown MysqlD it will stop doing anything... |
| 23:12.18 | anubis_EOA | HELLPP -- is anyone familiar with postfix 2.2.5 and cyrus-sasl!? |
| 23:12.32 | sentinel | anyone know why the debian disk partitioner would hang at 38% when scanning disks? |
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| 23:12.39 | xiaogil | Is there a way to open an HTML file (with a browser, or something else) and to export it into UTF-8 ? |
| 23:12.41 | glud01 | jim ther is another thing when I try to acces to this particion (xp) this tell me that the part isn t active |
| 23:12.46 | shingouz | GOnehaha: tell me when you are in the system, lets see if we can at least disable the sql for the moment |
| 23:12.50 | Eulex | sentinel: maybe try formatting from a live cd? |
| 23:12.55 | shingouz | !tell anubis_EOA about ask |
| 23:12.57 | jim | anubis_EOA: just ask the specific questions |
| 23:12.58 | shingouz | !tell anubis_EOA about sicco |
| 23:12.58 | sigp239 | Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 23:12.59 | sentinel | [00:14:00] <GOnehaha> maybe because it doesnt like you? <-- thanks for the idiot reply :) |
| 23:13.05 | petemc | BigBlockO: ps aux|grep bind - if it has the -t flag, its chrooted |
| 23:13.10 | BigBlockO | Cope: probably not, but the guy i work for wants subdomains, so i'm going to figure out how to make this work |
| 23:13.28 | petemc | bind 20072 0.0 1.8 31636 2280 ? Ss Mar30 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -c /named.conf -u bind -t /etc/bind |
| 23:13.43 | jim | glud01: you can set which primary(1,2,3,4) partition is active in fdisk |
| 23:13.44 | BigBlockO | Cope: it doesn't; it has the -u flag |
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| 23:14.09 | sharkie | quik question |
| 23:14.18 | jim | slow answer! |
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| 23:14.25 | Cope | BigBlockO: paste what petemc asked you to type |
| 23:14.26 | sharkie | lol |
| 23:14.38 | jim | it could happen :) |
| 23:14.40 | glud01 | yes hda1 2 and 5 |
| 23:14.47 | sharkie | my keyboar just broke so bare ith me plz |
| 23:14.56 | jim | 5 can't be active; it's not a primary partition |
| 23:14.58 | BigBlockO | Cope: pasted in flood |
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| 23:15.03 | Cope | got it |
| 23:15.17 | robin_sz | mmmm paste. |
| 23:15.21 | robin_sz | tastes good! |
| 23:15.23 | sharkie | ho o i go into the kde onfigurations to make my look like osx? |
| 23:15.26 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, try smb://user:password@host/printer |
| 23:15.31 | glud01 | 1 and 2 |
| 23:15.36 | shingouz | robin_sz: try pasta too, not as sticky ;) |
| 23:15.36 | glud01 | 5 y the /home |
| 23:15.51 | Eulex | sharkie: off to #debian-kde with ya |
| 23:15.57 | sharkie | LOL |
| 23:16.01 | sharkie | i in't kno they ha a hannel |
| 23:16.02 | robin_sz | shingouz: it is the way my wife cooks it. |
| 23:16.11 | abrotman | sharkie: /j #debian-kde |
| 23:16.17 | sentinel | anyone know why the debian disk partitioner would hang at 38% when scanning disks? |
| 23:16.18 | sharkie | thanks |
| 23:16.31 | abrotman | bad drive ? |
| 23:16.40 | shingouz | robin_sz: you let your wife cook the pasta? :o |
| 23:16.41 | sentinel | both drives are perfectly fine.. |
| 23:16.56 | Eulex | sentinel: nobody knows, try formatting from a live cd |
| 23:16.57 | bigbill52a | what type drives |
| 23:17.00 | bigbill52a | ? |
| 23:17.06 | robin_sz | shingouz: but of course. it is nice to let them have some little task to do. keeps them busy :) |
| 23:17.11 | shingouz | sentinel: how about entering the second console and use cfdisk? |
| 23:17.21 | sentinel | second console? |
| 23:17.21 | shingouz | robin_sz: heh |
| 23:17.30 | sentinel | ah, nvm, brain was slow there |
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| 23:17.57 | w00t | i wish i had my g/f back :'( |
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| 23:18.16 | Cope | BigBlockO: a further observation: the NS records for energyweb.us do not point at 208.151.246.182, so the NS records in the zone are bogus; |
| 23:18.24 | sentinel | it'd be more useful to find out why the partitioner hangs there doing nothing though |
| 23:18.42 | Eulex | sentinel: yeah, but how? |
| 23:18.45 | sentinel | both drives are fine, the debug window wasn't showing any problems... |
| 23:18.45 | robin_sz | w00t: why not post pictures on the interent, maybe we can help you look for her ... |
| 23:18.47 | GOnehaha | If i cancel FSCK i can get into maintaince mode , could that be any good shingouz |
| 23:18.58 | w00t | lol |
| 23:19.09 | BigBlockO | Cope: I'm not really sure what that means but it doesn't sound good |
| 23:19.11 | sentinel | Eulex: no idea, that's why i'm asking here.. |
| 23:19.30 | shingouz | GOnehaha: just fsck the box first, probably a dirty shutdown and the fsck is needed |
| 23:19.42 | FlimFlamMan | w00t, http://www.realdoll.com |
| 23:19.51 | GOnehaha | well.. thats the only way to get in anything :p\ |
| 23:19.51 | stranger | what an insightful article...you see very few of these |
| 23:19.53 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: you're so late |
| 23:19.56 | stranger | http://www.valleyofthegeeks.com/News/Simplexity.html |
| 23:20.08 | Eulex | sentinel: I know, but noone seems to know, so why repeat it again and again? aren't there a debian-installer channel or something that could deal with it? |
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| 23:20.21 | abrotman | stranger: OT .. take it elsewhere |
| 23:20.23 | Cope | petemc: is -g the debugging switch - sending to stdout? |
| 23:20.29 | GOnehaha | Ok, FSCK... ill run that from within the maintaince mode |
| 23:20.30 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: "Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...foomatic-rip version $Revision: 3.43.2.9 $ running..." |
| 23:20.58 | petemc | Cope: stderr |
| 23:21.03 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: All other windows workstations can connect to this printer just fine (no username/password required). |
| 23:21.05 | sentinel | Eulex: because not everyone sees everything the first time round |
| 23:21.14 | sentinel | Eulex: or can be bothered to reply :) |
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| 23:22.09 | w00t | comcast sucks |
| 23:22.11 | w00t | dude |
| 23:22.14 | GOnehaha | what after i FSCK the hdds? |
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| 23:22.29 | stranger | abrotman, well do you have something againt the truth of Websphere Buzzword Factory and Webshpere Pig Latin Control |
| 23:22.30 | w00t | i had problems with comcast 56 time this year |
| 23:22.42 | Cope | BigBlockO: please paste your named.conf file in #flood |
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| 23:22.50 | abrotman | stranger: yes .. it's fucking OT here .. it's not in debian .. |
| 23:22.55 | GOnehaha | if i will leave maintaince mode it will crash again when it reaches mysql... |
| 23:22.56 | Eulex | sentinel: try going to #debian-boot |
| 23:23.05 | abrotman | stranger: just like your fucking Air Conditioner .. stop spamming the channel please |
| 23:23.25 | liz4rd | i dont get it |
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| 23:23.43 | w00t | why u people that like when i put ??????????? does it hurt your face or some thinking |
| 23:23.47 | abrotman | GOnehaha: hopefully error goone |
| 23:23.48 | abrotman | !U |
| 23:23.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 23:24.01 | GOnehaha | abrotman the HDDS are fine! ... |
| 23:24.06 | GOnehaha | Debian itself is fucked |
| 23:24.08 | BigBlockO | Cope: pasted |
| 23:24.10 | abrotman | GOnehaha: does the system start cleanly? |
| 23:24.11 | ralf | 3 hours compiling to get: no space left |
| 23:24.13 | abrotman | GOnehaha: where does it hang ? |
| 23:24.19 | jim | Damnit ! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:24.20 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, are you able to connect to the host with smbclient? |
| 23:24.23 | GOnehaha | IT stops when it tries to start MYSQLD |
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| 23:24.31 | BigBlockO | !Debian |
| 23:24.31 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 23:24.34 | abrotman | GOnehaha: ctrl-c ? |
| 23:24.38 | singe | anybody know the eta on security.debian coming back? |
| 23:24.44 | BigBlockO | !Wheat Thins |
| 23:24.45 | abrotman | singe: no |
| 23:24.50 | abrotman | singe: not in the /topic ? |
| 23:24.53 | GOnehaha | doesnt work :( |
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| 23:25.08 | abrotman | GOnehaha: you can't ctrl-c to kill it ? |
| 23:25.13 | GOnehaha | nop/... |
| 23:25.15 | jim | !doesnt work |
| 23:25.17 | BigBlockO | !X |
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| 23:25.19 | Cope | BigBlockO: thanks |
| 23:25.26 | w00t | my wire less dont work on linux gggrrrr im so freaking mad and sad i use my money on it |
| 23:25.29 | abrotman | GOnehaha: boot singleuser .. remove the link from rc2.d that starts mysql .. probably like .. S90mysqld |
| 23:25.45 | BigBlockO | no, thank you for helping me |
| 23:25.59 | Cope | BigBlockO: lets have /etc/bind/named.conf.zones too |
| 23:26.03 | jim | w00t: we've all been there :P calm yourself and join the fukin club |
| 23:26.03 | GOnehaha | abrotman what do i need to type in LILO boot: to get it to load single user |
| 23:26.06 | Eulex | w00t, please come back when you're in a better mood... I suggest bashing your head against the wall |
| 23:26.10 | abrotman | linux single ? |
| 23:26.15 | abrotman | wait .. uhm |
| 23:26.20 | w00t | lol |
| 23:26.26 | FlimFlamMan | w00t, did you check linux compatibility? |
| 23:26.29 | abrotman | well .. if you do .. init=/bin/sh .. shouldn't start mysql |
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| 23:26.44 | GOnehaha | bin sh :) i tried bash |
| 23:26.55 | GOnehaha | ok ill try hold on |
| 23:26.57 | abrotman | !single user mode |
| 23:26.57 | dpkg | [single user mode] telinit 1, or or add '1' to the lilo boot prompt 'LILO: linux 1' enter. |
| 23:27.03 | srbaker_ | how do i get discover to find my new sound card? |
| 23:27.07 | Eulex | w00t, what model on the wireless card? |
| 23:27.08 | abrotman | reboot |
| 23:27.10 | FlimFlamMan | !cheap clean prostitutes |
| 23:27.12 | FlimFlamMan | damn. |
| 23:27.20 | BigBlockO | Cope: pasted |
| 23:27.21 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: none found .. hrm ... |
| 23:27.22 | BigBlockO | Cope: do you want the energyweb.us file in the sites folder as well? |
| 23:27.26 | Eulex | srbaker_: what kind of sound card? |
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| 23:27.37 | jim | !dont work |
| 23:27.45 | srbaker_ | Eulex: vt 8233 |
| 23:28.02 | Eulex | srbaker_: manufacturer? |
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| 23:28.13 | srbaker_ | Eulex: VIA |
| 23:28.20 | FlimFlamMan | i think i;m gonna have a mexican dinner tonight |
| 23:28.39 | Eulex | srbaker_: integrated on mother-board? |
| 23:28.54 | abrotman | srbaker_: that is not a model |
| 23:28.56 | paulswm | !crackwhore FlimFlamMan |
| 23:29.05 | paulswm | :P |
| 23:29.05 | w00t | eulex:dude i saw that dont work on alot of web sites |
| 23:29.15 | abrotman | w00t: well that's your own damn fault |
| 23:29.16 | Cope | BigBlockO: isn't that what you pasted in pastebin? |
| 23:29.18 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: how do I connect to the host with smbclient? |
| 23:29.23 | FlimFlamMan | finally, a job i'm qualified for |
| 23:29.31 | abrotman | srbaker_: what kind of via card? .. pci? pcmcia? isa? usb? |
| 23:29.37 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, smbclient -L <hostname> -N |
| 23:29.41 | FlimFlamMan | or IP addr |
| 23:29.43 | abrotman | lspci might help here |
| 23:29.49 | w00t | eulex: WSB56GS |
| 23:29.50 | BigBlockO | Cope: i pasted named.conf and named.conf.zones |
| 23:30.05 | abrotman | GOnehaha: in the channel |
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| 23:30.09 | Cope | BigBlockO: yes, but at first you pasted in the pastebin |
| 23:30.12 | abrotman | !msg |
| 23:30.12 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 23:30.13 | Eulex | w00t: linksys? |
| 23:30.16 | BigBlockO | yea |
| 23:30.17 | w00t | yeah |
| 23:30.24 | BigBlockO | cope: yea, that's what i pasted in pastebin |
| 23:30.27 | abrotman | boo linksys |
| 23:30.31 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: yes it prints out a list of the sharenames |
| 23:30.32 | abrotman | w00t: and usb ? |
| 23:30.37 | w00t | eulex: yeah |
| 23:30.46 | LeeColleton | Hi! I'm having trouble with iaxcomm in ubuntu. no audio is sent to the other system but I can hear them |
| 23:30.52 | w00t | eulex: can u help |
| 23:31.00 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:31.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:31.00 | shingouz | LeeColleton: how about asking in #ubuntu then |
| 23:31.01 | GOnehaha | abrotman is there a way to get full permission on all files from within the KNOPPIX Live on CD desktop envirement? |
| 23:31.19 | abrotman | GOnehaha: boot single user .. remove the link |
| 23:31.23 | Eulex | w00t: no match on google for "WSB56GS" |
| 23:31.24 | Cope | BigBlockO: ok, in you /etc/bind/named.conf.zones file, please duplicate the energyweb.us zone info into the internal view |
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| 23:31.33 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: are you sure that syntax is correct?smb://user:password@host/printer |
| 23:31.35 | shingouz | GOnehaha: you need to mount the filesystem read-write |
| 23:31.45 | GOnehaha | how? |
| 23:31.49 | abrotman | man mount |
| 23:31.56 | w00t | eulex: WUSB54GS |
| 23:31.57 | GOnehaha | how cna i when files are blocked? |
| 23:31.57 | liz4rd | man cheese |
| 23:32.02 | w00t | eulex: my bad |
| 23:32.04 | LeeColleton | shingouz: the same problem is apparent with vanilla debian, sheesh |
| 23:32.08 | GOnehaha | some files are protected |
| 23:32.10 | Eulex | w00t: ok |
| 23:32.22 | abrotman | LeeColleton: you're using ubuntu .;.. ask them |
| 23:32.27 | liz4rd | chown yourusername file |
| 23:32.37 | abrotman | don't do that |
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| 23:32.39 | abrotman | FFS |
| 23:32.39 | liz4rd | for ubuntu |
| 23:32.42 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, it worked for me. |
| 23:32.48 | liz4rd | why not? |
| 23:32.51 | BigBlockO | Cope: should i just copy it into the internal view as the last zone |
| 23:32.57 | shingouz | LeeColleton: i do not run ubuntu, how the hell do you suppose i know what ubuntu has done to the configs. off to #ubuntu with you say i |
| 23:32.58 | abrotman | don't you think the permissions are that way for a reason? |
| 23:33.01 | Cope | BigBlockO: yep, that will be fine |
| 23:33.09 | BigBlockO | and then restart bind? |
| 23:33.14 | liz4rd | abrotmanL: yeah i guess |
| 23:33.19 | liz4rd | abrotmanL: chmod then? |
| 23:33.26 | abrotman | liz4rd: no |
| 23:33.31 | abrotman | single user mode :) |
| 23:33.32 | Cope | BigBlockO: yes please |
| 23:33.36 | liz4rd | abrotman: k |
| 23:33.41 | Cope | BigBlockO: and paste the named stuff in #flood |
| 23:33.47 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: what do I do after the smbclient command? |
| 23:33.48 | GOnehaha | abrotman GIve me 1 WORKING bootline and ill do w/e u tell me :) |
| 23:33.48 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, what kind of windows machine is it? |
| 23:33.54 | abrotman | !single user mode |
| 23:33.54 | dpkg | single user mode is, like, telinit 1, or or add '1' to the lilo boot prompt 'LILO: linux 1' enter. |
| 23:33.56 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: windows xp |
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| 23:34.03 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: home edition |
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| 23:34.17 | abrotman | paulswm: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 23:34.20 | BigBlockO | Cope: pasted |
| 23:34.22 | sigp239 | FlimFlamMan: scratch that it's professional |
| 23:34.26 | hugl | in which file I can find per user cron tab? |
| 23:34.28 | GOnehaha | i tried: linuxOLD-2.20 single , linuxOLD-2.20 1 linuxOLD-2.20 init=/bin/bash/ |
| 23:34.34 | shingouz | paulswm: traitor ;) |
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| 23:34.45 | paulswm | abrotman: Yes, I get niminal 125Mbits/sec, too |
| 23:34.49 | Guerin | GOnehaha: why would /bin/bash have a / on the end? |
| 23:34.50 | paulswm | nominal* |
| 23:34.51 | abrotman | why are you using your old kernel ? |
| 23:34.53 | GOnehaha | and it starts in INIT 1 |
| 23:35.00 | abrotman | Guerin: when it's a directory :) |
| 23:35.04 | GOnehaha | because that contain the files i need... abrotman... |
| 23:35.04 | Guerin | GOnehaha: no shit... |
| 23:35.05 | Azar | hi |
| 23:35.20 | Eulex | w00t: the drivers on prism54.org have alpha support for usb... they may work, they may also break... otherwise, try ndiswrapper with the driver recommended in the big list |
| 23:35.26 | abrotman | GOnehaha: you're saying every run level on your machine starts mysql ? |
| 23:35.41 | paulswm | shingouz: Hey, it's a fast card and a fast router (WRT54GS), I'm not going to use slow stuff just to please religious OS bigots :) |
| 23:35.54 | GOnehaha | ehm i dont know? |
| 23:36.00 | jim | Damnit abrotman! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | jim: i know this .. why are you telling me ? |
| 23:36.19 | stranger | man what a lot of sophisticated bullshit and evasive arguments on slashdot regarding the freeing of hardware specs, drivers, and designs...they can sure think of clever ways to hide the truth |
| 23:36.23 | shingouz | paulswm: i know it is fast... the fact that it does not rfmon is my biggest niggle with it |
| 23:36.24 | stranger | but the truth is |
| 23:36.25 | jim | because one good turn deserves another |
| 23:36.26 | xiaogil | Is possible to save an HTML file into UTF-8 ? |
| 23:36.29 | stranger | Companies exist to make money, not to be good samaritans. |
| 23:36.29 | w00t | eulex:ok |
| 23:36.30 | abrotman | stranger: OFFTOPIC |
| 23:36.31 | Azar | :( |
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| 23:36.42 | abrotman | stranger: go spam any other channel .. stop spamming this one |
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| 23:37.06 | Azar | I could told him something but I better shut up |
| 23:37.11 | jim | abrotman: and has been offtopic all day too, unfortunately... from his very first posting after having joined the channel |
| 23:37.19 | GOnehaha | IM IN SINGLE USER MODE... wooot |
| 23:37.23 | stranger | abrotman, well if you think debian could not use the ability to distribute more drivers then you are not thinking clearly...it is a related issue |
| 23:37.24 | abrotman | jim: noone called ops on him ? |
| 23:37.29 | GOnehaha | ok now what? |
| 23:37.34 | jim | dunno |
| 23:37.37 | simonrvn | xiaogil: yes. any text file - use iconv to convert it if need be |
| 23:37.38 | jim | I think I did |
| 23:37.38 | abrotman | stranger: go tell #kernel fuckhead .. debian doesn't write drivers .. we package a kernel |
| 23:37.39 | Guerin | GOnehaha: haxx0r teh gibson |
| 23:38.06 | GOnehaha | GIve root password for maintaince or press ctrl + D to continue |
| 23:38.07 | stranger | abrotman, and just what good is your packaged kernel if there are no drivers for hardware |
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| 23:38.12 | GOnehaha | do i have to fill in root pass? |
| 23:38.13 | Guerin | GOnehaha: go on, then |
| 23:38.19 | Guerin | GOnehaha: is that what it says? |
| 23:38.23 | GOnehaha | sorta |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | stranger: it doesn't matter .. debian doesn't write a kernel .. how stupid are you? .. go tell #redhat they should petition nvidia .. get out of here |
| 23:38.35 | Guerin | stranger: but there are drivers. I'm running debian RIGHT NOW! |
| 23:38.39 | abrotman | GOnehaha: give root password |
| 23:38.43 | GOnehaha | ok abrotman |
| 23:39.08 | GOnehaha | im in?? :p |
| 23:39.15 | Cope | BigBlockO: sorry man, I'm getting tired, and running out of ideas; |
| 23:39.15 | xiaogil | simonrvn: it didn't work for my file ("http://www.chant.org/scripts/chant/icb_result.asp?title=H00001") with the command "iconv -f big5 -t utf-8 < 00001.html > 00001.utf-8.html" |
| 23:39.16 | bigbill52a | lexmark 6150 printer..any suggestions on what would work with this printer...thanks |
| 23:39.17 | GOnehaha | now how to disable mysqld? |
| 23:39.18 | abrotman | GOnehaha: is / readonly ? |
| 23:39.25 | BigBlockO | its cool |
| 23:39.26 | GOnehaha | how do i check that? |
| 23:39.35 | BigBlockO | thanks for all your help so far |
| 23:39.35 | abrotman | GOnehaha: cat /etc/mtab ? |
| 23:39.46 | stranger | Guerin, yes but i bet you are running it on non-free and restricted hardware designs for which you had to fork over your money or else suffer the opportunity cost of not being able to replicate the hardware for everyone else. |
| 23:39.52 | FlimFlamMan | sigp239, it seems like a windows authentication issue of some kind. you might try another path - try installing windows unix services in control panel, i htink (not sure what it's called, i don't use windows). then set up to print to it as if it were a unix machine |
| 23:39.57 | abrotman | stranger: just stop .. please |
| 23:40.03 | jim | here's the initial stuff... |
| 23:40.06 | jim | * stranger (~banjo@adsl-68-91-109-35.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has joined #debian |
| 23:40.18 | GOnehaha | what should that say abrotman? |
| 23:40.25 | jim | and 5 lines later, his first post: stranger boy these arguments are something else over freedom: the hardware megacorps keep saying you are not taking our damn jobs, we need to eat...and the freedom fighters are saying...you are not taking our money with your proprietary and restricted hardware, we need to eat. |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | jim: stranger hasn't asked a single debian related question? just trolling ? |
| 23:40.41 | simonrvn | xiaogil: might want to try using an utf-8 capable editor too |
| 23:40.45 | jim | abrotman: exactly |
| 23:40.49 | Raven | Anyone know if the 3com officeconnect 11g PCMCIA cards are PrismII based? |
| 23:40.52 | GOnehaha | ill write it over |
| 23:40.54 | GOnehaha | hold on |
| 23:40.58 | abrotman | GOnehaha: in the line for / .. do you see ro or rw ? |
| 23:40.59 | Cope | BigBlockO: its not helped by the fact that I run bind8 on solaris, and you're running bind9 on debian |
| 23:41.10 | GOnehaha | RW |
| 23:41.21 | abrotman | GOnehaha: cd /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 23:41.21 | shingouz | Raven: the airconnect 3crwe737a is orinoco at least |
| 23:41.28 | xiaogil | simonrvn: do you understand why it doesn't work for my file ? |
| 23:41.32 | Cope | petemc: dunno if you've followed any of this or are remotely interested in helping... ;-) |
| 23:41.39 | paulswm | !ops stranger constant OT trolling |
| 23:41.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: stranger constant OT trolling |
| 23:41.45 | predius | Guys, anyone know anythibg 'bout artwiz fonts? |
| 23:41.45 | abrotman | GOnehaha: ls *mysql* ... see anything ? |
| 23:41.47 | GOnehaha | and now> |
| 23:41.53 | abrotman | err |
| 23:41.55 | Azar | how do I stop packages that I have removed to be reinstalled at my next aptitude dist-upgrade: nfs-common, nfs-kernel-server portmap and shorewall ? |
| 23:41.57 | abrotman | GOnehaha: ls -l *mysql* |
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| 23:42.12 | Raven | Well, worth a shot then. Thought I'd install etch on my laptop. |
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| 23:42.18 | abrotman | Azar: something depends on them |
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| 23:42.27 | shingouz | Raven: what do you mean? |
| 23:42.31 | Guerin | abrotman: no, this is the stupoid aptitude bug, I bet. |
| 23:42.43 | GOnehaha | segmentation fault abrotman |
| 23:42.45 | Azar | abrotman I removed them with --purge |
| 23:42.47 | shingouz | Raven: the orinocos are supported |
| 23:42.52 | abrotman | GOnehaha: huh ? |
| 23:42.55 | abrotman | are you serious? |
| 23:42.56 | Guerin | Azar: apt-get remove --purge aptitude; apt-get install aptitude |
| 23:42.57 | GOnehaha | yes |
| 23:42.59 | abrotman | GOnehaha: does the drive click ? |
| 23:43.02 | abrotman | or ping ? |
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| 23:43.12 | GOnehaha | how can i see that? |
| 23:43.17 | abrotman | you could hear it |
| 23:43.20 | Azar | thanks |
| 23:43.21 | Guerin | Azar: then, use EITHER aptitude or apt-get - don't mix them. Pick one or the other. |
| 23:43.27 | GOnehaha | i dont hear anything unusual> |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | GOnehaha: echo * |
| 23:43.36 | Azar | Guerin I prefer to allways use aptitude |
| 23:43.43 | Raven | Shingouz: Just have a laptop with the 3com card in it, want debian on it. But to get debian on it I need a working web connection in debian. (no cd-rom drive :( so netinst floppies are the only way) |
| 23:43.55 | abrotman | GOnehaha: get a pile of files ? |
| 23:43.56 | jasoncohen | Guerin, what's wrong with mixing them? |
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| 23:43.59 | GOnehaha | that gives me all kinds of shit |
| 23:44.06 | abrotman | jasoncohen: they use different databases |
| 23:44.07 | simonrvn | xiaogil: might have to do with the original charset. they're both two-byte charsets. i don't know enough about big5 to say for sure; i'd do a bit of research on 2 byte charset conversion (google's a good place to start i suppose), or maybe one of the debian lists, debian-l10n or whatever |
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| 23:44.14 | abrotman | GOnehaha: any of them mysql related ? |
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| 23:44.24 | Azar | I know what he means: if I used apt-get to remove I should not use aptitude to upgrade |
| 23:44.26 | GOnehaha | S20mysql related enough? |
| 23:44.28 | Azar | ? right? |
| 23:44.28 | Guerin | Azar: the problem is that apt-get and aptitude maintain different package lists, and if you uninstall stuff with apt-get, aptitude will still think it's installed. It's a pain in the arse, and there's a bug filed against it. |
| 23:44.32 | shingouz | Raven: try the netinst floppies then, grab the netdriver floppy too. the orinoco should be there, it is such a common card |
| 23:44.36 | abrotman | GOnehaha: yep .. but it sounds like you have serious HDD issues |
| 23:44.42 | abrotman | GOnehaha: what filesystem are you using ? |
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| 23:44.48 | Azar | ok thanks :) |
| 23:44.49 | Guerin | Azar: no. Just purge and reinstall aptitude, and don't use apt-get again. |
| 23:44.50 | GOnehaha | ext2 |
| 23:44.54 | jasoncohen | Guerin, how do you refresh aptitude's db? |
| 23:44.56 | GOnehaha | but the whole debian is ruined\ |
| 23:44.57 | Azar | ok |
| 23:45.01 | GOnehaha | i need to reinstall |
| 23:45.05 | paulswm | GOnehaha: in the system log, do you see and HD errors or DMA bus resets? |
| 23:45.08 | Guerin | Azar: or reinstall and remove those packages using aptitude. |
| 23:45.09 | jasoncohen | Guerin, that could be why it's asking to install 33 new packages |
| 23:45.09 | GOnehaha | but i waited till it was bit late |
| 23:45.17 | paulswm | s/and/any/ |
| 23:45.19 | abrotman | GOnehaha: erm .. ok .. |
| 23:45.22 | Guerin | jasoncohen: possibly |
| 23:45.26 | Cope | BigBlockO: you could try commenting out the views stuff in named.conf.zones |
| 23:45.30 | jasoncohen | Guerin, when i run aptitude dist-upgrade --without-recommends it asks to install 33 new packages and remove mysql 4.1 in favor of mysql |
| 23:45.31 | GOnehaha | paulswm? how can i see system log? |
| 23:45.32 | abrotman | GOnehaha: rm S20mysql |
| 23:45.34 | Raven | shingouz: thanks. I'll do that this weekend when I get tired of WoW :D |
| 23:45.34 | abrotman | GOnehaha: does it work ? |
| 23:45.38 | w00t | can some one help me install some thinking? |
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| 23:45.41 | jasoncohen | Guerin, is there a way to refresh aptitude's db? |
| 23:45.46 | abrotman | !cluebat w00t |
| 23:45.57 | Guerin | jasoncohen: purge and reinstall, afaik. there might be an easier way, but I don't know it. |
| 23:46.03 | GOnehaha | it gives me modprobe |
| 23:46.07 | FlimFlamMan | well folks, there is a plate of chimichangas with my name on them about 20 minutes from here. nighty-night. and remember to be nice to people. |
| 23:46.11 | shingouz | Raven: just to keep things simple, turn off the wep for the time it takes you to install the stuff |
| 23:46.26 | abrotman | GOnehaha: it does what ? |
| 23:46.27 | jasoncohen | Guerin, ok, i'm trying that now |
| 23:46.29 | GOnehaha | note: something is newer then something or something like that |
| 23:46.30 | Eulex | goodnight |
| 23:46.31 | paulswm | GOnehaha: dmesg might show you, or sudo less /var/log/syslog |
| 23:47.04 | GOnehaha | has something to do with /etc/modules.conf |
| 23:47.09 | xiaogil | simonrvn: when i use Mozilla on Windows, in the File menu, there's an option to save the page with another encoding, it works fine. But that's the only way i found to make suche conversion. And I need to be able to make for many other files, that's why i need a command line |
| 23:47.17 | paulswm | I'm gone, stay safe you all. |
| 23:47.17 | abrotman | GOnehaha: that doesn't really matter |
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| 23:47.42 | xiaogil | simonrvn: Mozilla on Linux hasn't the option i said, i don't know why. |
| 23:47.43 | Raven | shingouz: the router doesn't reach outside the house, so it's open. |
| 23:47.52 | abrotman | GOnehaha: you can't even rm that file ? |
| 23:47.54 | GOnehaha | it seems he removed it out of echo * |
| 23:47.56 | FieldySnuts | i'm sure with a sensitive card, you could pick it up |
| 23:48.05 | FieldySnuts | security via obscurity, shrug |
| 23:48.05 | jasoncohen | Guerin, cool- that was the problem |
| 23:48.06 | GOnehaha | i believe he did |
| 23:48.16 | GOnehaha | hold on let me change my nick |
| 23:48.29 | IamSTUPID | :) |
| 23:48.49 | IamSTUPID | anyway |
| 23:48.51 | shingouz | Raven: you should be ok with it in that case |
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| 23:48.57 | IamSTUPID | it is no longer in echo * |
| 23:49.01 | Cope | BigBlockO: or not... |
| 23:49.13 | IamSTUPID | should i try reboot now? |
| 23:49.25 | abrotman | IamSTUPID: you can . but sounds like your system is really fucked up |
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| 23:49.35 | jim | echo * has a really close relationship to ls... can you guess what it is? :) |
| 23:49.43 | Raven | shingouz: hope so, laptop may be a bit aged, but it's still good. Haven't used it in over a year because it only has windoze on it. |
| 23:49.56 | Cope | oh well - if he's gone, I'm off to bed. |
| 23:49.59 | abrotman | jim: a list of files? :) |
| 23:50.07 | abrotman | jim: oh wait .. echo is a command! |
| 23:50.10 | jim | give that man a cigar! |
| 23:50.12 | IamSTUPID | i know abrotman |
| 23:50.13 | mrfrenzy | IamSTUPID: sorry to be the one to point this out, but you make a rather unintelligent appearance |
| 23:50.17 | IamSTUPID | thats why i want the files :) |
| 23:50.26 | jim | nonexploding please. |
| 23:50.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:50.33 | abrotman | !cigar jim |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | dpkg: boring |
| 23:50.42 | dpkg | yes, you are abrotman |
| 23:50.44 | IamSTUPID | mrfrenzy the truth always hurts ;) |
| 23:50.53 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite abrotman |
| 23:50.54 | dpkg | abrotman: yee bloody yank |
| 23:51.00 | abrotman | !yinzersmite FieldySnuts |
| 23:51.05 | FieldySnuts | haha what the heck is that |
| 23:51.12 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: ever been to pittsburgh ? |
| 23:51.22 | FieldySnuts | yes i have relatives there, i thought that's what it was, the yinz gave it away |
| 23:51.25 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: they say "Yinz" .. |
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| 23:51.30 | abrotman | nvz is from pitt |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i have relatives there too! :) |
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| 23:51.46 | magyar | ahoy |
| 23:51.47 | simonrvn | wtf is 'chawt dahnere' |
| 23:51.51 | shingouz | abrotman: and wtf is a yinz then? /me is not from pitt |
| 23:51.57 | FieldySnuts | hot down there? |
| 23:51.58 | Guerin | simonrvn: 'watch out down there' |
| 23:52.01 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 23:52.02 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you weren't at a wedding in november near pitt were you ? |
| 23:52.06 | simonrvn | oh gawds |
| 23:52.07 | abrotman | ~yinz |
| 23:52.10 | FieldySnuts | no, i haven't been ther ein a long time |
| 23:52.10 | abrotman | !yinz |
| 23:52.15 | abrotman | shingouz: moment |
| 23:52.16 | IamSTUPID | abrotman? |
| 23:52.20 | FieldySnuts | @lart yinz |
| 23:52.25 | IamSTUPID | is there a reserve way as wget? |
| 23:52.27 | simonrvn | haha |
| 23:52.31 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 23:52.36 | IamSTUPID | to upload something to a ftp server? |
| 23:52.36 | simonrvn | just like a chimp |
| 23:52.50 | FieldySnuts | uh, any ftp client (wget cannot put files to ftp) |
| 23:53.02 | magyar | how long does a release freez last? |
| 23:53.04 | IamSTUPID | one that can run in runlevel 1? |
| 23:53.07 | abrotman | shingouz: YinzerA Picksburgh native who talks right, n'at. (Submitted by Palmer Davis, Pittsburgh) |
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| 23:53.15 | spdf | magyar, Last one lasted a few weeks |
| 23:53.18 | FieldySnuts | no clinet can, as 1 doesn't have networking |
| 23:53.26 | spdf | magyar, As long as it takes really.. |
| 23:53.29 | IamSTUPID | :s |
| 23:53.32 | raf256 | how can I add my own servers-thingies to be started ? |
| 23:53.33 | shingouz | abrotman: hehehe.. ok :) |
| 23:53.46 | FieldySnuts | get the file when you have networking, remember where you put it then do whateve ryou want with it |
| 23:53.50 | spdf | raf256, Servers-thingies? |
| 23:53.56 | raf256 | ...I should write own /etc/init.d/myservers.sh and then update-rc myservers.sh defaulls ? |
| 23:53.56 | abrotman | shingouz: they use some 'yinz' thing .. and actually .. sound like idiots most of the time :) |
| 23:53.56 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 23:53.56 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
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| 23:54.00 | IamSTUPID | how can i mount my hdds to be RW under knoppix live on c? |
| 23:54.14 | FieldySnuts | IamSTUPID: ask #knoppix , please |
| 23:54.17 | raf256 | spdf: as in: my own programs that I want to be started after fully booting up |
| 23:54.22 | Guerin | IamSTUPID: mount -o remount,rw /foo |
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| 23:54.28 | simonrvn | !vaguenesssmite FieldySnuts |
| 23:54.37 | magyar | spdf: why do they freeze after it's been released? |
| 23:54.38 | IamSTUPID | thx |
| 23:54.39 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 23:54.43 | simonrvn | :) |
| 23:54.45 | IamSTUPID | !camelsmite FieldySnuts |
| 23:54.47 | shingouz | IamSTUPID: how about 'mount -o rw,remount /mountpoint' |
| 23:55.02 | spdf | magyar, Because its "stable"? |
| 23:55.42 | magyar | spdf: so atable gets no updates unless serious security holes are found. right? |
| 23:55.51 | Guerin | magyar: once released, debian doesn't change. Testing and unstable change, until testing is eventually released as stable |
| 23:55.52 | simonrvn | afk, dr. who is on in 5 min |
| 23:56.01 | shingouz | IamSTUPID: there is a wonderful utility on debian you should need to know about, it is called man and with it you can actually read manual pages |
| 23:56.10 | LeeColleton | exit |
| 23:56.13 | abrotman | !fish |
| 23:56.13 | dpkg | [fish] FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://www.p-nand-q.com/maldives/rbr/fish/sf25.jpg |
| 23:56.39 | iLLf8d | anyone regularly use module-assistant and hows it working out for you? |
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| 23:57.17 | IamSTUPID | http://www.p-nand-q.com/maldives/rbr/fish/sf25.jpg <-- is dead... |
| 23:57.20 | magyar | Guerin: so stable gets no updates unless serious security holes are found. right? |
| 23:57.20 | raf256 | http://www.p-nand-q.com/maldives/rbr/fish/sf25.jpg <--- 404 |
| 23:57.21 | spdf | Can someone tell dpkg to forget that link |
| 23:57.24 | raf256 | IamSTUPID: lol |
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| 23:57.35 | IamSTUPID | :) |
| 23:57.37 | FieldySnuts | no reason to forget the entire factoid, only correct it |
| 23:57.39 | abrotman | shingouz: http://pittsburghese.com/cgi-bin/trans.bat?phrase=Shingouz+likes+to+eat+pizza+by+the+river |
| 23:57.45 | Guerin | magyar: yes. |
| 23:57.48 | abrotman | heh .. vinnie pie |
| 23:57.55 | magyar | thank you |
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| 23:59.16 | magyar | Guerin: is the new testing release can be installed with the "net install cd" which was released in march? |
| 23:59.19 | Guerin | dpkg, fish =~ s#http://www.p-nand-q.com/maldives/rbr/fish/sf25.jpg#http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html# |
| 23:59.19 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 23:59.32 | Guerin | magyar: yes. |
| 23:59.41 | jasoncohen | Guerin, what's the bug report # for the bug caused when aptitude and apt-get are used together? |
| 23:59.47 | abrotman | shingouz: not funny ? |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | jasoncohen: no bug # .. |
