| 00:00.19 | streuner | directhex: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200506142140 |
| 00:00.19 | SiMatrix | kelan: yeah, but I installed it before and never had it take this long. |
| 00:00.26 | kelan | hmm |
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| 00:00.50 | cinix | When I use any dpkg or apt-* commands it segfaults. It appears to segfault when loading /var/lib/dpkg/status. I have sucessfully copied status-old over the new status and sometimes that fixes it for a few seconds... |
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| 00:01.02 | cinix | I suspected the video card drivers at first, but I'm not sure anymore. |
| 00:01.10 | kelan | SiMatrix: maybe when you installed before you were connected to a faster mirror so you were getting more than 34kb/s |
| 00:01.11 | cinix | Anything else I can do to debug my problem? |
| 00:01.28 | SiMatrix | kelan: Anyway, I am reading the linux command reference in the meantime. I installed debian 2 years ago, once. That is my sum total linux experiance. So I will be reading. |
| 00:01.34 | SiMatrix | kelan: yeah |
| 00:01.47 | Xenguy | hamer12: die |
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| 00:02.43 | Thaiger | All of the sudden when gnome starts it spends a very very long time on the splash screen at the session manager proxy |
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| 00:02.56 | egg | awesome |
| 00:03.16 | Angry_Bacon | is it possible to change the bit depth w/o changeing the X config file? |
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| 00:04.17 | _pavel_ | i just upgraded to sarge...so it upgraded mysql to 4.0.24 in the process.... i want to upgrade to 4.1.. i just wanted to know how to do that without losing data |
| 00:04.29 | shingouz | Angry_Bacon: not that i know of |
| 00:04.55 | shingouz | Angry_Bacon: /msg dpkg drxx <-- that will give you the necessary tools to do what you like to do |
| 00:05.05 | Angry_Bacon | thankx |
| 00:05.24 | Flimzy | Angry_Bacon: You can specify the desired bit-depth on the X commandline (i.e. startx -- -bpp 16, iirc), but that bitdepth must already be properly configured in the config file |
| 00:05.35 | Angry_Bacon | ok |
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| 00:06.01 | bluefox83 | when i try to change my resolution from 1280x1024 to 1024x800 my desktop gets way too big for my monitor, how do i fix that? |
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| 00:06.11 | WiFiTux | Hi, once xorg is in unstable. Will we be able to use r300? |
| 00:06.21 | directhex | WiFiTux, for 2d or 3d? |
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| 00:06.34 | WiFiTux | directhex, 2d I already have (I think) |
| 00:06.41 | Angry_Bacon | bluefox83: is it nessisary to run in 1024x800? |
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| 00:06.48 | kelan | Angry_Bacon: you can specify bit-depth as a command line parameter if you really wanted to |
| 00:06.52 | directhex | WiFiTux, r300-dri isn't ready for primetime, and isn't in mainline xorg |
| 00:06.55 | WiFiTux | directhex, I have a 7500 Radeon. 3D maybe? |
| 00:07.02 | stelki | Hello, how can I watch .wmv video files? |
| 00:07.07 | bluefox83 | Angry_Bacon, i'd like to lower my resolution a tad when i'm not sitting directly in front of my monitor |
| 00:07.13 | directhex | WiFiTux, 7500 is r100, certainly not r300 |
| 00:07.14 | WiFiTux | directhex, true. But it goes against xorg, not xfree |
| 00:07.15 | bluefox83 | so i can read and see my icons |
| 00:07.19 | Angry_Bacon | stelki: its possible |
| 00:07.22 | Voodoo-Child | stelki: downloading win32 codecs |
| 00:07.32 | stelki | Voodoo-Child, where from? |
| 00:07.38 | Angry_Bacon | stelki: ive never been able to get it to work |
| 00:07.49 | WiFiTux | directhex, I wonder if there is an easy driver to install like the nvidia ones. |
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| 00:07.52 | Voodoo-Child | stelki: wait while I look up |
| 00:07.56 | doleyb | bluefox83: try the xrandr command |
| 00:07.59 | kelan | !wmv |
| 00:07.59 | dpkg | well, wmv is http://wiki.debian.net/?WindowsMediaVideo , or a method to get used to pain |
| 00:07.59 | stelki | Angry_Bacon, I had it working in gentoo, just by installing some codecs actually |
| 00:08.01 | stelki | Voodoo-Child, thanks |
| 00:08.06 | Angry_Bacon | oo |
| 00:08.07 | cuti | anyone using torsmo? |
| 00:08.16 | cuti | how come i can't change font |
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| 00:08.23 | directhex | WiFiTux, ati don't make drivers for r100. and sarge has 3d support for r100 and r200 already in xfree86 |
| 00:08.32 | cuti | i used xfontsel but it doesnt display |
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| 00:08.48 | WiFiTux | directhex, really? how? |
| 00:08.50 | bluefox83 | doleyb, i'm not finding a man page for that, is it provided in a package by another name? |
| 00:09.00 | Voodoo-Child | stelki: take a look here ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 00:09.29 | K_Dallas | Evening folks! I am about to give up configuring jack/jackd to get simultaneous sound for multiple application. Tried the alsa and jack site configuration and i think i have mixed everything ;) Sound is all right, alsa but when i run jackd -d alsa -d hw:0 it says the device is busy! |
| 00:09.39 | stelki | Voodoo-Child, all right, thanks |
| 00:09.49 | WiFiTux | directhex, simple ati driver when configuring xfree86 is 3D? (Sid) |
| 00:09.50 | Voodoo-Child | stelki: package name is w32codecs |
| 00:09.56 | directhex | WiFiTux, um... make sure you have the "radeon" kernel module loaded, and are using the "ati" driver. and that you have DRI in your xf86config-4 |
| 00:10.08 | stelki | Voodoo-Child, yes I found it, thanks again |
| 00:10.10 | doleyb | bluefox83: its in xbase-clients |
| 00:10.18 | directhex | WiFiTux, r100 DRI is helluva slow, but it IS there |
| 00:10.20 | WiFiTux | directhex, look, I'll look into it. thanks. |
| 00:10.22 | Voodoo-Child | stelki: you're welcome |
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| 00:10.35 | tuxxman | hey |
| 00:10.39 | tuxxman | hello |
| 00:10.40 | WiFiTux | directhex, i could run looking glass at least? |
| 00:10.40 | k-man | somehow my web server was compromised, and now, every hour, i an unauthorised process that starts running, and I can'twork out where its coming from |
| 00:10.44 | k-man | any ideas? |
| 00:10.44 | tuxxman | where is xf86.conf |
| 00:10.46 | tuxxman | in debian |
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| 00:10.51 | directhex | WiFiTux, perhaps. probably not fast. |
| 00:10.59 | WiFiTux | tuxxman, /etc/X11/ ? |
| 00:11.06 | WiFiTux | directhex, kay |
| 00:11.08 | directhex | tuxxman, you mean /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. and don't edit it by hand, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:11.15 | tuxxman | yes |
| 00:11.19 | tuxxman | thx |
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| 00:11.27 | bluefox83 | what exactly does xrandr do anyways? where's it get those figures? |
| 00:11.33 | WiFiTux | directhex, one more... Should it be the old or new radeon driver? |
| 00:11.36 | abrotman | !xrandr |
| 00:11.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, xrandr is used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. |
| 00:11.49 | directhex | WiFiTux, there's an old/new radeon driver? |
| 00:11.59 | doleyb | xrandr changes the resolution to what is permitted in XFree86-Config, and it resizes all open windows / toolbars. |
| 00:12.05 | pder | after upgrading to 2.6.11 kernel i have an interuppt conflict between uhci and my isa network card. how can i change the irq of uhci? |
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| 00:12.07 | pder | after upgrading to 2.6.11 kernel i have an interuppt conflict between uhci and my isa network card. how can i change the irq of uhci? |
| 00:12.07 | k-man | somehow another process must put a file in /tmp and execute that file then delete the file |
| 00:12.12 | bluefox83 | oh.. |
| 00:12.14 | WiFiTux | directhex, hhmm maybe for framebuffer |
| 00:12.18 | k-man | but i can't work out which process is putting it there |
| 00:12.22 | bluefox83 | well it just spit out all the possible resolutions.. |
| 00:12.26 | doleyb | There are also gui icons that change xrandr settings, instead of a command line. |
| 00:12.29 | directhex | WiFiTux, just say no to any framebuffer but vesafb |
| 00:12.35 | WiFiTux | y |
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| 00:12.43 | IR7189 | hi |
| 00:12.47 | doleyb | bluefox83: read the man. or type "xrandr -s 1" (but don't blame me if you can't see anymore) |
| 00:12.48 | IR7189 | one question |
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| 00:12.50 | directhex | WiFiTux, tends to conflict with things |
| 00:13.03 | IR7189 | anyone here has install winbind?¡? |
| 00:13.04 | WiFiTux | directhex, it sucks and suspend screws |
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| 00:13.07 | bluefox83 | doleyb, like i said, i couldn't find the man page |
| 00:13.11 | directhex | IR7189, yes. |
| 00:13.15 | shingouz | !tell IR7189 about ask |
| 00:13.33 | WiFiTux | directhex, x x <M> ATI Radeon display support (Old driver) x x x x <M> ATI Radeon display suppo |
| 00:13.37 | IR7189 | [directhex] |
| 00:13.41 | doleyb | bluefox83: just run it once, see the # of the mode you want (default is 0), then xrandr -s 1 to change to the next mode. |
| 00:13.42 | IR7189 | i have a big problem |
| 00:13.49 | bathat | i'm trying to locate the root partition for the kernel, even though in menu.1st it says (hd1,9) and it won't autocomplete with tab... selected disk does not exist |
| 00:13.51 | directhex | WiFiTux, i run debian. if i wanted to spend time compiling kernels, i;'d be on gentoo |
| 00:13.53 | pder | is it possible to change the IRQ of uhci? |
| 00:13.58 | IR7189 | when i log to client with winbind, i log correctly in pdc samba domain |
| 00:14.01 | directhex | pder, probably not |
| 00:14.05 | WiFiTux | directhex, heh. Ok. |
| 00:14.05 | shingouz | IR7189: just tell us what the problem is |
| 00:14.23 | bluefox83 | wow, much better :D |
| 00:14.23 | IR7189 | but.. when i wish browse a share... |
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| 00:14.25 | abrotman | or ask #samba |
| 00:14.32 | directhex | IR7189, i'm not doing anything remotely that sophisticated with it, i just use it so i can ping windows computers based on netbios name |
| 00:14.36 | bluefox83 | i can see all my icons!!!! |
| 00:14.41 | IR7189 | konqueror asked user and pass |
| 00:14.43 | pder | directhex: in 2.4.27 uhci is set to IRQ 9 which is all good. in 2.6.11 it is set to 10 which conflicts with my ISA NIC |
| 00:14.43 | shingouz | and lose the multiple enters |
| 00:14.44 | IR7189 | agian |
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| 00:14.56 | doleyb | hurray. If you use kde or gnome, they have taskbar icons to change the same way. |
| 00:14.56 | abrotman | IR7189: probably ought to ask #samba .. |
| 00:14.59 | alvanson | okay, I am getting that hde: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } on more than one drive on more than one disk |
| 00:15.03 | directhex | pder, why do you have an ISA NIC? |
| 00:15.05 | alvanson | connected to more than one IDE controller |
| 00:15.08 | Thaiger | Just booted my computer and it seems like a bunch of my settings disappeared like my firefox profiles, some of my window positions, gkrellm settings, stuff like that |
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| 00:15.14 | pder | directhex:old computer |
| 00:15.18 | directhex | Thaiger, corrupting file system |
| 00:15.31 | k-man | crap, somehow this script has copied itself into my the www-data's crontab |
| 00:15.32 | WiFiTux | directhex, what is actually killing me, is that If I go under Graphis Support, It just talks about FB, which I have vesa |
| 00:15.44 | bathat | if kernel 2.4.xx boots fine to (hd1,9)... shouldn't 2.6.8? |
| 00:15.58 | directhex | bathat, depends |
| 00:16.00 | alvanson | and one under SCSI emulation :@! |
| 00:16.11 | shingouz | bathat: any possiblity to get more information? |
| 00:16.11 | bathat | directhex: well, it has a problem with the root= part |
| 00:16.20 | Thaiger | directhex: I can still see the files for the profiles and such tho |
| 00:16.23 | k-man | where are user's crontab files kept? |
| 00:16.26 | directhex | bathat, what disk controller? |
| 00:16.32 | bathat | directhex: scsi |
| 00:16.48 | bathat | directhex: hde5 for 2.4 |
| 00:17.01 | alvanson | and now they behave on the same CD they were acting up on!!! :@ |
| 00:17.05 | directhex | bathat, 2.6 will assume sd* for scsi/sata |
| 00:17.07 | tzafrir_laptop | Hum, that's odd. I've just installed Sarge on a certain computer with some davicom card. That computer worked fine before with XP and some live cds. At install time it worked well. But after the first boot the network adapter basically started badly misbehaving |
| 00:17.28 | bathat | directhex: oh, i think i read something about that |
| 00:17.29 | tzafrir_laptop | As in oopses |
| 00:17.40 | Vladi_here | alvanson: i got the same when the disk and the wire were not full in contact. |
| 00:17.52 | tzafrir_laptop | Any chance the driver from Sarge loaded a defective firmware or something? |
| 00:17.59 | abrotman | tzafrir_laptop: did you try 2.4 and 2.6 ? |
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| 00:18.16 | WiFiTux | directhex, OK, dri is under modules, ATI is the driver and radeon is loaded. So if glxgers runs, I have 3d support, and if it doesn't I don't have? |
| 00:18.20 | Angry_Bacon | can i make a shortcut for a command? |
| 00:18.26 | bathat | directhex: so, sde5? |
| 00:18.28 | alvanson | Vladi_here, which wire? |
| 00:18.29 | abrotman | man alias |
| 00:18.46 | tzafrir_laptop | I initially installed 2.6. Now I've just tried both 2.4 and 2.6. Both oops from what appears to be that card's actions |
| 00:18.50 | SiMatrix | I live in California, where would the best place be to purchase the debian CDs? |
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| 00:18.52 | alvanson | Vladi_here, you implying that I have two loose wires in my box (that is entirely possible) |
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| 00:18.59 | directhex | bathat, sda5 |
| 00:19.01 | abrotman | SiMatrix: online |
| 00:19.06 | bathat | directhex: sda...ok |
| 00:19.10 | directhex | WiFiTux, no. glxinfo | grep direct |
| 00:19.19 | Angry_Bacon | SiMatrix: get the minimal cd |
| 00:19.22 | SiMatrix | abrotman: I want a place that is close, so the shipping will get here sooner. |
| 00:19.26 | glick | i wonder if i should install the rpm versions of of the m681x development tool chain |
| 00:19.43 | glick | the sources seem to be for rpms |
| 00:19.43 | Vladi_here | I speak poor English: data wire it's a hardware problem |
| 00:19.43 | SiMatrix | Angry_Bacon: Already did that. |
| 00:19.43 | glick | i dont know how that will fly on my deboian system |
| 00:19.51 | glick | ^debian even |
| 00:19.54 | abrotman | SiMatrix: check ebay .. but most places it will get there in a day or two |
| 00:19.58 | Angry_Bacon | SiMatrix:what connection u got? |
| 00:20.11 | SiMatrix | dsl |
| 00:20.15 | abrotman | !tell Angry_Bacon about u |
| 00:20.17 | WiFiTux | directhex, Direct Rendering No. using Mesa GLX indirect |
| 00:20.20 | abrotman | SiMatrix: download them |
| 00:20.20 | shingouz | SiMatrix: just download it then |
| 00:20.23 | Vladi_here | Check connections to the disk |
| 00:20.38 | Angry_Bacon | you, sorry |
| 00:20.39 | WiFiTux | Sid, still b0rked huh? The following packages will be REMOVED |
| 00:20.39 | WiFiTux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.45 | SiMatrix | abrotman: What is the best way to do the download from a Windows computer? |
| 00:20.56 | abrotman | SiMatrix: bittorrent good enough ? |
| 00:20.58 | cddesjar | why is it when i try to install a package with aptitude that aptitude tries to remove packages that i DO USE |
| 00:21.00 | directhex | WiFiTux, check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for clues |
| 00:21.04 | shingouz | SiMatrix: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:21.06 | WiFiTux | directhex, ok |
| 00:21.14 | Angry_Bacon | SiMatrix:just downloading it of an ftp works best for me |
| 00:21.22 | Epod69 | is there any further configuration you need to do exept for installing libesd-alsa0 to get esound to work with alsa..cause right now i am getting now sound =( |
| 00:21.23 | _pavel_ | had anyone migrated from mysql-server to mysql-server-4.1 under sarge? |
| 00:21.25 | glick | how can i install rpms in debian? |
| 00:21.34 | abrotman | !tell glick about alien |
| 00:21.34 | cddesjar | glick: use alien |
| 00:21.34 | shingouz | alien |
| 00:21.46 | cddesjar | glick: alien <filename> |
| 00:21.48 | directhex | glick, don't. use alien to convert to .tgz, and extract the tarballs to /opt/fooapplication |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | !tell glick about stow |
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| 00:22.13 | bathat | i wonder why it's unable to find vmlinuz using grub +tab |
| 00:22.19 | bathat | it's there |
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| 00:22.24 | kelan | !tell glick about licking |
| 00:22.28 | cinix | :-P |
| 00:22.30 | abrotman | bathat: apparently not |
| 00:23.06 | tzafrir_laptop | The card is "1282:9009 rev 31)": a davicom (dmfe) ethernet 10/100 card |
| 00:23.07 | concept10 | Anyone familiar with processor scaling and how to get it working? |
| 00:23.28 | abrotman | cpu throttling ? |
| 00:23.31 | directhex | concept10, what CPU? |
| 00:23.52 | Flimzy | concept10: what exactly do you mean by "processor scaling"? |
| 00:23.55 | bathat | abrotman: no, but it is |
| 00:24.03 | WiFiTux | directhex, could Generic Video Card screw it up? I mean, should it say Radeon m7? |
| 00:24.11 | abrotman | bathat: apparently not |
| 00:24.24 | concept10 | directhex, p4 2.66 with speedstep, only runs at 1.60 ghz |
| 00:24.30 | directhex | WiFiTux, yes, it should say that |
| 00:24.45 | luulis | damn sid, now totem just hangs when I open it :( |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | luulis: were you warned about sid before you started using it ? |
| 00:25.04 | WiFiTux | directhex, log does say that found radeon m7 |
| 00:25.05 | bathat | abrotman: but i'm looking right at it though |
| 00:25.10 | concept10 | Flimzy, processor scaling is being able to dynamically control cpu speed on the fly by changing voltages,etc |
| 00:25.15 | chalenged | yay i got multiple sounds working in alsa ....its not nice but it works ... |
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| 00:25.30 | directhex | concept10, give me a minute to get sonme kernel source, i'm not too hot on old stuff like p4 |
| 00:25.34 | Flimzy | concept10: Processor scaling also refers to installing multiple processors as the need arises |
| 00:25.42 | abrotman | bathat: you might be .. doesn't mean grub can see it |
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| 00:25.44 | luulis | abrotman: no but I know it sometimes might be unstable with things and I can mostly handle it.. |
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| 00:25.56 | Flimzy | concept10: but most architectures don't support that. |
| 00:25.56 | abrotman | luulis: and you know about BTS ? |
| 00:25.59 | directhex | concept10, in the first instance, install powernowd |
| 00:26.04 | luulis | abrotman: yes |
| 00:26.06 | Flimzy | concept10: And generally someone doesn't ask on a general IRC channel how to do that |
| 00:26.18 | directhex | Flimzy, modern i386 and amd64 chips do it fine. |
| 00:26.31 | concept10 | Flimzy, true. It could also mean Flimzy could buy me some processor and allow me to scale my systems :) |
| 00:26.45 | directhex | Flimzy, dependant on a suitable daemon and kernel modules |
| 00:26.56 | Flimzy | directhex: Uh, no |
| 00:27.00 | concept10 | directhex, powernowd is for AMD |
| 00:27.02 | DimmuR | any1 knows good site with applets for gnome? |
| 00:27.05 | Flimzy | directhex: Not what I was refering to |
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| 00:27.15 | directhex | concept10, no, powernowd is for any cpufreq processor |
| 00:27.25 | chalenged | DimmuR: google |
| 00:27.26 | concept10 | so I need to load that module? |
| 00:27.54 | directhex | concept10, WAIT. |
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| 00:27.54 | Flimzy | directhex: The only systems I've heard of doing what I was refering to are some high-end sparcs... on the order of 16-32 CPUs |
| 00:28.00 | directhex | Flimzy, oh, sunfires. we're throwing a bunch out, replacing with opterons. |
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| 00:28.16 | DimmuR | chalenged: i use google bug until now i found only gnome-applets package :/ |
| 00:28.28 | concept10 | Flimzy, how many cpus can linux support ? is it 4 or more than that? |
| 00:28.28 | abrotman | directhex: can you mail me one ? |
| 00:28.42 | directhex | abrotman, wanna pay shipping? |
| 00:28.42 | abrotman | concept10: uhm .. 256 i think |
| 00:28.45 | abrotman | directhex: ok |
| 00:28.46 | chalenged | DimmuR:WHAT IN PARTICULAR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | directhex: got specs on the machine ? |
| 00:28.50 | chalenged | bas sorry caps |
| 00:29.01 | Flimzy | concept10: At least 32, IIRC. Altho probably more by now. |
| 00:29.10 | _pavel_ | i want to upgrade to mysql-server-4.1 from mysql-server ... if i remove mysql-server and then install mysql-server-4.1 will i lose database files..? |
| 00:29.12 | Angry_Bacon | how do I set debian so it dosn't automaticly start x on boot? |
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| 00:29.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell Angry_Bacon about nodm |
| 00:29.22 | abrotman | !tell Angry_Bacon about nodm |
| 00:29.23 | directhex | abrotman, 24 900mhz ultrasparc3's, 2gb ram per cpu |
| 00:29.23 | Flimzy | concept10: Most (cheap) architectures don't support that many CPUs anyway. |
| 00:29.24 | Alumin | can anyone recommend a PCMCIA 802.11g card that works in sarge? (meaning, using only stuff from main) |
| 00:29.27 | DimmuR | chalenged: clocks (like clockmail which is not longer in package), mixers |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | directhex: how many lbs ? |
| 00:29.41 | directhex | Flimzy, 16 way is normal on amd64 |
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| 00:29.47 | directhex | abrotman, enough to cost you a LOT |
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| 00:29.51 | abrotman | directhex: and rack or pedistal ? |
| 00:29.58 | Angry_Bacon | wouldn't that totally get rid of x? |
| 00:30.00 | Flimzy | directhex: 16 != 32 |
| 00:30.02 | x2 | g'day everyone |
| 00:30.04 | shingouz | abrotman: you are drooling.. ;) |
| 00:30.04 | directhex | abrotman, 1 sunfire 6800 is the size of a laden 42u rack |
| 00:30.07 | abrotman | Angry_Bacon: you asked to do what we told you |
| 00:30.09 | _pavel_ | is it possible to run a simulation of apt-get install just to see what would happen? |
| 00:30.18 | abrotman | directhex: yeah ..b ut it's own cabinet ? |
| 00:30.19 | concept10 | Flimzy, well Im just trying to get my processor to run and full speed. Trying to find out if I have to recompile to implement that support |
| 00:30.22 | Alumin | _pavel_: apt-get -s |
| 00:30.27 | _pavel_ | thanx |
| 00:30.27 | directhex | abrotman, yes. |
| 00:30.32 | abrotman | shingouz: i love sun hardware :) |
| 00:30.38 | abrotman | and i really like solaris |
| 00:30.39 | j_k | I can't make ssh-krb5's gssapi authentication working. The ssh client refuses to use it: with '-vvv' it spews out 'Next auth method: gssapi', then 2x3 blank lines, then 'we did not send a packet, disable method'. Libsasl2 and it's GSSAPI work with OpenLDAP and the simple-{client,server} things. I'm using heimdal and IPv6. |
| 00:30.41 | directhex | gah |
| 00:30.45 | directhex | solaris is a train wreck of an os |
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| 00:30.53 | shingouz | abrotman: so do i but the shipping alone would kill me |
| 00:31.09 | concept10 | abrotman told me some way before using p4-clockmod |
| 00:31.15 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate concept10 |
| 00:31.16 | dpkg | concept10: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses gnome hello? |
| 00:31.29 | directhex | concept10, WAIT. for fuck's sake, if you want an informed opinion, WAIT |
| 00:31.32 | abrotman | shingouz: you could drive it |
| 00:31.35 | j_k | there's a Solaris here which got wiped out for Debian :-) |
| 00:31.39 | abrotman | concept10: no i ddin't |
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| 00:31.53 | shingouz | abrotman: drive? as in with a car? |
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| 00:32.05 | abrotman | shingouz: all 4 wheels! |
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| 00:32.09 | concept10 | directhex, cool it - who said I wasnt waiting? thanks anyway for fucks sake |
| 00:32.20 | abrotman | directhex: that's the smallest you have ? |
| 00:32.21 | concept10 | abrotman, sorry |
| 00:32.23 | shingouz | abrotman: heh. overseas and all... i don't think so :) |
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| 00:32.30 | abrotman | shingouz: ferry! |
| 00:32.43 | directhex | abrotman, got one with only half the CPU boards, but weighs the same? |
| 00:32.48 | shingouz | abrotman: don't i wish |
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| 00:32.49 | DimmuR | chalenged: i already tryied to compile clockmail but it needs applet-widget.h: which is not longer in gnome-core-devel |
| 00:32.51 | concept10 | FieldySnuts, shouldnt you be in summer school? |
| 00:32.51 | abrotman | directhex: i meant cubic size :) |
| 00:32.53 | directhex | abrotman, or a sunfire v880, dunno what's in them though |
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| 00:33.06 | shingouz | hm. uk. but still. |
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| 00:33.09 | abrotman | directhex: something like .. an 8u would be good :) |
| 00:33.12 | Angry_Bacon | i dont want to uninstall x, i wan't to start with a shell then run x with differnt paramiters, but those paramiters arn't always going to be the same, so i can't just change what it starts with |
| 00:33.12 | directhex | abrotman, we'll have a sunblade 1000 to bin soon, when the amd64 gets in |
| 00:33.27 | abrotman | directhex: can you lose that to the states? :) |
| 00:33.43 | tomb0y | has anyone tried installing sarge onto a dell inspirion laptop? just curious if anything i should know before i attempt.. Never have ran any linux on a laptop before, only like 8 or so reg computers :/ |
| 00:33.49 | directhex | abrotman, not trivially. honestly, i don'y see the attraction |
| 00:33.56 | Angry_Bacon | im running on an inspiron right now! |
| 00:33.57 | directhex | tomb0y, how recent a laptop? |
| 00:34.05 | abrotman | directhex: you don't .. i do :) |
| 00:34.05 | chalenged | if i want to run an app automatically via something else is there a way to specify it?... i want aoss to run apps by default |
| 00:34.09 | bathat | directhex: i tried sda5 and received error message "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" |
| 00:34.10 | tomb0y | directhex: just got it in mail on tuesday. |
| 00:34.27 | Angry_Bacon | tomb0y: i am running on a inspiron 7000 right now and it works fine |
| 00:34.28 | directhex | tomb0y, i don't think debian would suit you |
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| 00:34.51 | Angry_Bacon | directhex: why not? |
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| 00:35.18 | tomb0y | directhex: i run debian on about 6 PCs right now.. So im extremely familiar with that flavor of linux. |
| 00:35.23 | directhex | Angry_Bacon, i'm guessing a bit, but if the spec of his new dell is anything like my month old one, debian wouldn';t run |
| 00:35.31 | directhex | tomb0y, what model of inspiron? |
| 00:35.42 | chalenged | ubuntu 8) go on say it, ill support the call |
| 00:36.00 | tomb0y | directhex: m700 plan on doing a dual boot on it. been running deb on pc's for hmm 5 or so years now. |
| 00:36.10 | bluefox83 | why wouldn't debian run on an inspiron? |
| 00:36.22 | Angry_Bacon | blutfox: hardware |
| 00:36.28 | Angry_Bacon | blue**** |
| 00:36.30 | directhex | bluefox83, because it doesn't support the disk controller, or any of the rest of the hardware? |
| 00:36.30 | Angry_Bacon | oops |
| 00:36.35 | abrotman | because dell sucks ass |
| 00:36.40 | abrotman | dell makes shit |
| 00:36.43 | Angry_Bacon | i know |
| 00:36.50 | shingouz | Angry_Bacon: how about tab completion like on bash? |
| 00:36.50 | Angry_Bacon | i got this free |
| 00:37.04 | bluefox83 | wow, i didn't think there would be a problem getting a dell to run debian.. |
| 00:37.09 | Angry_Bacon | lol |
| 00:37.15 | Angry_Bacon | shingouz: huh? |
| 00:37.20 | shingouz | !nicktab |
| 00:37.20 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 00:37.21 | abrotman | bluefox83: dell machines just have problems ... |
| 00:37.24 | lackey | I have had some problems getting a dell working with debian |
| 00:37.24 | bathat | directhex: it's really not sde5, eh? |
| 00:37.25 | bluefox83 | you used a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:37.37 | directhex | right, i've had a read |
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| 00:37.50 | Angry_Bacon | ok... |
| 00:37.53 | tomb0y | directhex: i know knoppix works just fine on it already, id presume i could get deb working on it.. maybe im wrong, but it sounds like its not gonna be 1,2,3 easy heh :) |
| 00:37.54 | directhex | tomb0y, debian ought to work okay, but you won't get any CPU frequency scaling |
| 00:37.55 | FieldySnuts | dells use weird hardware, don't count on them working outside windows |
| 00:38.02 | bluefox83 | abrotman, everyone i have ever known that's owned a dell loves e'm and has no complaints |
| 00:38.03 | directhex | FieldySnuts, lies |
| 00:38.04 | bathat | directhex: ok, i wonder why it's not working then |
| 00:38.09 | Angry_Bacon | this dell still works fine |
| 00:38.13 | FieldySnuts | !aussiesmite directhex |
| 00:38.13 | dpkg | directhex: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker |
| 00:38.14 | Angry_Bacon | never had any hardware probs |
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| 00:38.31 | chalenged | nah everything brand new doesnt work in debian.....see alsa,sata,pata,hdparm,speedstep,ivtv,lirc its not just dell but mainly dells |
| 00:39.01 | shingouz | chalenged: s/debian/linux |
| 00:39.01 | directhex | that's a reasonable if slightly overgeneralised summation |
| 00:39.02 | Angry_Bacon | oic |
| 00:39.05 | Angry_Bacon | oops |
| 00:39.06 | directhex | shingouz, wrong |
| 00:39.11 | Angry_Bacon | thats a bad habit |
| 00:39.16 | bluefox83 | i would think the hardware support would be linux kernel dependant and not linux distrobution dependant.. |
| 00:39.21 | shingouz | directhex: really? |
| 00:39.30 | directhex | bluefox83, you'd think that, but it's not that simple |
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| 00:39.47 | Angry_Bacon | you could always get the drivers and recompile your kernal, but i have no idea how to do that |
| 00:40.06 | bluefox83 | directhex, well how would a distro like gentoo or redhat have support for a dell and not debian? |
| 00:40.17 | directhex | anyway, i gave tomb0y his answer. sarge would work, but not CPU frequency scaling. |
| 00:40.20 | tomb0y | directhex: well thanks for advance warning, still gonna attempt to do this, but at least i know i might be pullin out my hair |
| 00:40.22 | abrotman | bluefox83: because RH makes dirty deals with dell |
| 00:40.26 | abrotman | not fedora . just RH :) |
| 00:40.34 | FieldySnuts | !blame fedora |
| 00:40.40 | AndyG | Hi, is there a common way to prefix every line from a pipe with a string, for example the date? (to get the output of a progam in a logfile nicely) |
| 00:40.46 | directhex | bluefox83, by supporting the hardware in their kernel, either by using a more recent one, or applying commonly available patches |
| 00:40.47 | concept10 | abrotman, whats wrong with dirty deals |
| 00:40.51 | lackey | gentoo and redhat use x.org, which has drivers for radeons and other hardware that xfree86 does not suopport |
| 00:40.59 | chalenged | shingouz: yes and no, i can get all of the new gear in my box running but ubuntu does have more support for them out of the box than debian, Im not saying thats good or bad really |
| 00:41.07 | abrotman | concept10: they're dirty ? |
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| 00:41.18 | Guerin | !tell AndyG about awk cheats |
| 00:41.23 | concept10 | :) |
| 00:41.24 | Guerin | !tell AndyG about sed cheats |
| 00:41.24 | bluefox83 | lackey, so what, don't they both give you the option to run xfree86? |
| 00:41.44 | tzafrir_laptop | AndyG, sed. sed -e 's/^/yourstring/' |
| 00:41.52 | abrotman | bluefox83: doubtful |
| 00:41.53 | lackey | i beleve that you can use x.org on debian, but I have heard it is nasty to deal with |
| 00:42.05 | lackey | best option is a distro that already uses x.org |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | lackey: xorg for debian doesn't officially exist yet |
| 00:42.11 | FieldySnuts | !mhb |
| 00:42.11 | bluefox83 | i'm starting to think that debian needs to rethink how they release their stuff, it's a wonderful distro but if they don't get their butts in gear it'll get left behind by everything else |
| 00:42.25 | shingouz | chalenged: i haven't had any majopr problems either but i do have the tendency to run custom kernels meaning i might not be the correct person to comment on the support /me thinks he better be quiet and go have a smoke |
| 00:42.36 | abrotman | who the fuck made it ATi ? |
| 00:42.44 | directhex | bluefox83, ubuntu will do frequency scaling on late 2004/2005 models of intel cpu. debian will not. it's not in the mainline kernel, but patches to apply it have been around for a long time, and are found in other distros. notably, ubuntu sets up frequency scaling on those same CPUs out of the box |
| 00:42.49 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: it's random :) |
| 00:42.53 | abrotman | !mbh =~ s/ATi/ATI/ |
| 00:42.53 | dpkg | abrotman: i didn't have anything called 'mbh' to modify |
| 00:42.54 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: so help out. |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:43.02 | AndyG | tzafrir_laptop: Good ideo, thank you. |
| 00:43.04 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: complaining about it isn't going to do anything to change it. |
| 00:43.10 | intelchips | why when I enter file management as admin can't oI pen a new text file in /etc/apt? I can't find any menue item on creating a file, folders yes files no? |
| 00:43.18 | gameman73 | can someone help me setup ssl support with apache using mod_ssl? |
| 00:43.28 | SiMatrix | Is there an intellisense command sort of GUI for linux? |
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| 00:43.36 | tzafrir_laptop | intelchips, are you root? |
| 00:43.43 | Guerin | gameman73: apt-get install apache-ssl; examine the example httpd.conf |
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| 00:43.47 | intelchips | no log in as admin |
| 00:43.48 | j_k | gameman73: you'll need to come up with a specific problem. |
| 00:43.55 | bluefox83 | dondelelcaro, unfortunately i'm not a developer, and i'm currently unemployeed, i don't really have the resources or the knowledge to help, or i'd be all for it |
| 00:43.55 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i know it's random .. but it's not ATi |
| 00:44.00 | tzafrir_laptop | intelchips, why not simply run vi from a terminal like things should be? ;-) |
| 00:44.09 | gameman73 | Guerin: that doesnt use mod_ssl does it? |
| 00:44.18 | shingouz | abrotman: make a correction, you just had the wrong trigger there |
| 00:44.25 | intelchips | cause this pretty file management system is supose to make my life easy |
| 00:44.26 | Guerin | gameman73: no, it has ssl built in |
| 00:44.26 | abrotman | shingouz: i got it in /msg |
| 00:44.27 | directhex | s/ATi/ATI Technologies Inc./ |
| 00:44.31 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: 1) You don't have to be a developer 2) Being unemployed means that you have more time 3) If you can read and write, you've got all of the resources you need. |
| 00:44.31 | shingouz | abrotman: k |
| 00:44.36 | bathat | why in the world can't it find vmlinuz using grub |
| 00:44.36 | Guerin | gameman73: it can serve plain http as well |
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| 00:44.55 | bluefox83 | dondelelcaro, cool. how can i help? |
| 00:44.57 | directhex | concept10, modprobe p4-clockmod && modprobe cpufreq-userspace && apt-get install powernowd |
| 00:45.00 | gameman73 | Guerin: ok thats fine, how do you get it to do that? |
| 00:45.05 | shingouz | bathat: the vmlinuz you refer to might have some other name |
| 00:45.15 | directhex | concept10, you may need to clean up any prior experimentation, such as other cpufreq- modules |
| 00:45.24 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: documentation, filing accurate bugs, fixing accurate bugs, helping with packaging, helping triage bugs, the list goes on. |
| 00:45.35 | bathat | shingouz: no, i see it under /boot |
| 00:45.40 | concept10 | directhex, I never experimented before on this install |
| 00:45.44 | Guerin | gameman73: install it and edit the httpd.conf. It's very explicit. You probably want to uninstall apache as well. |
| 00:45.45 | bluefox83 | dondelelcaro, helping wiht packaging? how do i do that? |
| 00:45.50 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: for example, I'm sure if you asked gravity what you can do to help get x.org released in Debian faster, he has a list of things that need to be done. |
| 00:46.00 | concept10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.00 | concept10 | cpufreq_userspace 4572 0 |
| 00:46.00 | concept10 | cpufreq_ondemand 6172 0 |
| 00:46.00 | concept10 | cpufreq_powersave 1920 0 |
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| 00:46.21 | dondelelcaro | bluefox83: file patches against bugs that are open in the BTS... help with the XSF x.org svn repository. |
| 00:46.22 | shingouz | bathat: i am not sure how grub does the thing but it might be know with some other name to grub. if it were lilo i would check the lilo.conf for the name |
| 00:46.24 | bluefox83 | dondelelcaro, cool! who is gravity and how do i get in contact? |
| 00:46.48 | peterS | bluefox83: he shows up on irc from time to time |
| 00:46.55 | bathat | shingouz: well, i have the Linux Cookbook in front of me and it says |
| 00:47.01 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any software which store info on the local lan servers and its hardware and its software and its upgrades ??? |
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| 00:47.06 | concept10 | whoops |
| 00:47.11 | peterS | bluefox83: he is also dnusinow@debian.org, but probably would prefer to be contacted as debian-x@lists.debian.org |
| 00:47.11 | bluefox83 | i would love to help package X.org ^_^ |
| 00:47.33 | bluefox83 | thanks peterS |
| 00:47.53 | shingouz | bathat: i am not trying to pick a figth with you, i just told you what i would do. of course you use grub which might have some other oddities that i do not know of |
| 00:47.56 | peterS | bluefox83: seriously, you're not going to be of much help unless you subscribe to and read the debian-x list |
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| 00:48.13 | bathat | shingouz: oh no, i'm not trying to mean or anything |
| 00:48.16 | bluefox83 | i'll get right on that :) |
| 00:48.19 | bathat | please don't take it that way |
| 00:49.44 | shingouz | bathat: i don't, i only told you that i am not trying to pick a fight as i thought you sounded like you were about to have high blood pressure ;) |
| 00:49.46 | bathat | shingouz: you were exactly right... i don't need the /boot part |
| 00:49.51 | concept10 | directhex, I got kicked - could you post that again please |
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| 00:50.08 | bathat | shingouz: oh no, it's difficult to tell over chat |
| 00:50.22 | shingouz | bathat: agreed |
| 00:50.24 | bathat | shingouz: i looked at the online grub manual and found i only need / |
| 00:50.41 | s1monsays | when trying to run some binaries i'm getting a libc error: "failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory". anyone know what that means? |
| 00:50.45 | shingouz | bathat: it gets easier when you really know the person on the other end but it takes quite some time |
| 00:50.51 | shingouz | bathat: cool |
| 00:50.59 | bathat | yes |
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| 00:51.12 | concept10 | directhex, you still there |
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| 00:51.26 | bathat | i was thinking maybe if i were to set the root path in grub manually it would work to boot |
| 00:51.32 | bathat | i hope |
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| 00:52.52 | bathat | it is unable to mount fs on unkown block when i use sda5 |
| 00:53.01 | WiFiTux | directhex, do I need to install the ATI driver? no right? because that driver is not for m7!? |
| 00:53.05 | bathat | hde5 works fine for kernel 2.4 |
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| 00:53.43 | shingouz | bathat: hde and sda are two different devices |
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| 00:54.15 | directhex | WiFiTux, fglrx does not support r100 |
| 00:54.21 | directhex | concept10, modprobe p4-clockmod && modprobe cpufreq-userspace && apt-get install powernowd |
| 00:54.30 | bathat | shingouz: i just thought 2.6.xx named scsi devices differently |
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| 00:54.55 | shingouz | bathat: no, same devices afaik. at least they work with the same names on all my scsi-boxen |
| 00:55.05 | WiFiTux | directhex, (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled is there, but doesn;t tell me much |
| 00:55.06 | directhex | concept10, having multiple cpufreq- modules WILL cause issues with speeds |
| 00:55.20 | bathat | well, directhex said that i should use sda5 to boot to 2.6 |
| 00:55.22 | s1monsays | anyone have an idea what would cause libc6 to no be able to open shared memory? |
| 00:55.37 | directhex | bathat, i guessed that it was sda5, i never made promises |
| 00:55.37 | s1monsays | Or map it rather |
| 00:55.40 | shingouz | bathat: what kind of a controller you have there? |
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| 00:55.56 | bathat | shingouz: sata controller, flexio |
| 00:56.14 | bathat | shingouz: well, my hd is scsi but i also have a sata controller |
| 00:56.18 | jonkri | is there anyone here who knows how to configure mailman on exim4? i've been trying for days and all i get is "local delivery failed". please help! |
| 00:56.20 | bathat | but that's irrelevant |
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| 00:56.36 | bluefox83 | where can i download all the source and dependants for x.org? |
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| 00:56.52 | bluefox83 | or, where can i go for the source for x.org |
| 00:56.53 | bathat | is it possible it is numbered differently as well? |
| 00:56.57 | shingouz | bathat: ok. in that case i will fade into black and go bark at the mailman for a while. i have absolutely no idea about sata. unless your root fs is on the scsi in which case the device should be the same as it used to be |
| 00:57.04 | DA_ | bah, my poor poor debian install disc has a sever injury and refuses to boot... :( |
| 00:57.11 | bluefox83 | i'd like to try putting it into a .deb :) |
| 00:57.28 | concept10 | directhex, if you saw the result of my lsmod | grep cpu I already have 3 modules loaded |
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| 00:57.31 | Angry_Bacon | DA_: hope you still have the iso |
| 00:57.43 | bathat | shingouz: oh yes, i confused scsi with sata |
| 00:57.53 | directhex | concept10, you shouldn't do. |
| 00:57.57 | bathat | does sata operate the same as scsi in terms of device names |
| 00:58.05 | directhex | bathat, yes. |
| 00:58.06 | DA_ | Angry_Bacon: nah downloading minimal netinst now, 4min 15sec remaining |
| 00:58.06 | shingouz | bathat: try using the same device you used on the 2.4 |
| 00:58.10 | concept10 | directhex, say that again? |
| 00:58.15 | bathat | shingouz: tried that |
| 00:58.19 | bathat | won't boot |
| 00:58.24 | bathat | directhex: oh, hmm |
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| 00:58.50 | directhex | concept10, if you have multiple schedulers loaded, things will break. determine what loaded them, and tell it not to do so in future |
| 00:59.01 | Angry_Bacon | help! i need debian to boot to a temninal without uninstalling x |
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| 00:59.15 | Angry_Bacon | terminal* |
| 00:59.35 | chalenged | bluefox83: xorg.org |
| 00:59.35 | concept10 | directhex, its been VERY stable so far. This is default install. I will figure it out |
| 00:59.37 | calmofthestorm7 | um...couldnlt you just select that under the startup login? |
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| 00:59.44 | calmofthestorm7 | or am I missing something |
| 00:59.52 | tzafrir_laptop | is there any RTFM on the meaning of the 'span' directive in zaptel.conf? |
| 00:59.53 | Angry_Bacon | im new |
| 00:59.56 | Angry_Bacon | sorry |
| 00:59.56 | calmofthestorm7 | ok |
| 01:00.01 | calmofthestorm7 | so when you're at the login screen |
| 01:00.02 | tzafrir_laptop | sorry, wrong channel |
| 01:00.06 | bathat | directhex: is it possible it's numbered differently |
| 01:00.10 | calmofthestorm7 | where you put in password & username |
| 01:00.14 | Angry_Bacon | ok |
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| 01:00.22 | calmofthestorm7 | there should be a menu towards the top of the box that says "session" or something like that |
| 01:00.33 | calmofthestorm7 | you'll see like GNOME, KDE, and other options |
| 01:00.35 | Angry_Bacon | ok |
| 01:00.36 | calmofthestorm7 | select a terminal |
| 01:00.41 | calmofthestorm7 | that might work |
| 01:00.41 | Angry_Bacon | ok |
| 01:00.44 | Angry_Bacon | thankyou |
| 01:00.50 | calmofthestorm7 | sure |
| 01:01.42 | bluefox83 | chalenged, xorg.org says the site is under construction and to come back later, have another address? |
| 01:02.33 | MobyTurbo | bluefox83: x.org, not xorg.org |
| 01:02.45 | chalenged | bluefox83 try x.org.. |
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| 01:03.05 | caphuso | doesn't having to ask for that URL feel embarassing? |
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| 01:03.47 | glick | excuse me how can i tell where a binary was installed to? |
| 01:03.53 | glick | i converted a rpm to deb using alien |
| 01:03.55 | glick | and installed it |
| 01:03.58 | glick | but now i cant find it |
| 01:03.58 | caphuso | glick: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 01:05.34 | Epod69 | hey, how do i get applications to use esd (esound) as their audio source ? |
| 01:05.45 | tomb0y | ok in the sarge net install.. its asking to install grub into what partition, how do i find out the actual number of the parititions it created, not seein the hda5 or wahtever names listed to know which one to install to, and console of cat /proc/partitions doesnt list them as /dev devices |
| 01:05.50 | glick | caphuso, i keep installing a package with dpkg -i but then when i do dpkg -L it says the package is not installed |
| 01:06.11 | Guerin | glick: that's because dpkg -L doesn't tell you whether it's installed or not |
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| 01:06.30 | caphuso | no, it's because glick doesn't understand the concept of packagename vs. filename |
| 01:06.31 | bathat | still didn't work |
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| 01:07.09 | directhex | shitting hell, gone 2am. i need sleeeeep |
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| 01:07.20 | hejux | hi! debian gnome 2.10 ,when lanch an app. it shows "Cannot launch entryDetails: Text was empty (or contained only whitespace)" whats wrong ? |
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| 01:07.53 | glick | dpkg -l | grep gcc shows the package installed but the which command and whereis command dont show anything for it |
| 01:07.54 | dpkg | ii |
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| 01:08.15 | hikenboot | I want to use dfsbuild to build windows custom bootable cd's is this possible with this application? Other Application |
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| 01:08.54 | SDFH_Linux | is xfce gui just as fast as icewm? |
| 01:08.55 | Echel0n | for some odd reason, when i run apt-get update, i get an error when it retrieves the package and release files from security.debian.org |
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| 01:09.02 | Echel0n | is there some way of fixing it? |
| 01:09.05 | caphuso | glick: please, tell me that you didn't install gcc from a RPM package |
| 01:09.07 | hejux | hey can any one help ? |
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| 01:09.44 | caphuso | Echel0n: by not being stupid and reading the /topic |
| 01:09.45 | glick | caphuso, i did, but i used alien to convert to deb package first, it isnt the base gcc its gcc for the m68hc1x |
| 01:10.04 | caphuso | glick: *phew* |
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| 01:10.27 | glick | voyager:~# dpkg -l | grep 68hc |
| 01:10.34 | glick | according to that command it is installed |
| 01:10.40 | glick | but no idea where |
| 01:10.47 | caphuso | glick: dpkg -L packagename |
| 01:10.49 | caphuso | ffs |
| 01:11.12 | hejux | it seems no one pay any attention to my problem ? |
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| 01:11.37 | caphuso | hejux: you're the one using unstable. don't expect any help |
| 01:11.45 | Guerin | hahahaha |
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| 01:11.50 | JoshH | hejux: maybe the launchers you are clicking don't have anything entered for the command? |
| 01:11.53 | JoshH | go to the properties |
| 01:11.55 | Guerin | hejux is using sid? |
| 01:11.56 | jasoncohen | i'm trying to use cron-apt to mail reports to my email account. I've been trying to setup exim4 to use SSL & my login/passwd. I've read the SMTP-AUTH readme and setup /etc/exim4/passwd.client but i keep getting connection timed out errors. Is there a howto to setup SMTP w/ SSL/TLS or can I just setup my own SMTP server and mail it myself? |
| 01:12.16 | JoshH | Guerin: gnome 2.10 is only in sid right now, so most likely |
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| 01:12.36 | tomb0y | directhex: interesting, cant get the installer to install lilo or grub on either a /boot partition or the mbr on this laptop |
| 01:12.41 | Guerin | of all the people who shouldn't be using sid, hejux is king. |
| 01:12.44 | hejux | Guerin: yes sid really , |
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| 01:13.13 | Guerin | hejux: you're too stupid to run sid. |
| 01:13.19 | hikenboot | does anyone know if this utility can be used to make windows cd's? I have backup copies of windows server that are no good cause the admin that copied them was too stupid to copy the cdbootstrap or what every the non emulation mode boot section is called |
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| 01:13.21 | s1monsays | what causes libc6 to error like this: " failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory" ??? |
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| 01:13.35 | Loof | Is there any difference between the rc3 release of the installer and the 3.1rc0 release? |
| 01:13.48 | chacho | hi, anyone using ddclient with a netgear router? |
| 01:13.49 | hejux | Guerin: how to change sid to testing ? |
| 01:13.57 | Guerin | hejux: format and reinstall. |
| 01:14.20 | hejux | Guerin: God ,i donnt have enough time |
| 01:14.21 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 01:14.26 | MobyTurbo | Loof: the development installer uses "testing" by default, which is one obvious difference. |
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| 01:14.55 | bluefox83 | hejux, update your sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:14.55 | Guerin | hejux: sucks to be you, then. |
| 01:15.01 | caphuso | bluefox83: won't help |
| 01:15.11 | bluefox83 | caphuso, ..why? |
| 01:15.12 | Guerin | hejux: don't use gnome; use something that's not liable to break horribly. |
| 01:15.16 | chacho | it wont downgrade |
| 01:15.17 | caphuso | bluefox83: because it won't help |
| 01:15.18 | chacho | its an upgrade |
| 01:15.18 | Loof | Moby: I'll probably switch this over to testing in any case... I'm having a really odd problem /w my laptop and I'm basically to the point where I'm just going to re-install and try again |
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| 01:15.21 | MobyTurbo | bluefox83: downgrading via dist-upgrade doesn't work |
| 01:15.24 | tomb0y | directhex: well youre completely right about ide controllers in dell not working.. cant load the modules or anything with this laptop |
| 01:15.32 | bluefox83 | oh yeah..lol |
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| 01:15.38 | MobyTurbo | Loof: now is a bad time to run testing or unstable |
| 01:15.38 | bluefox83 | you already have the latest packages |
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| 01:15.49 | chacho | testing is working pretty well for me |
| 01:15.52 | JoshH | hejux: did you check the properties of the launchers or not? |
| 01:15.53 | Guerin | you COULD pin testing above 990... |
| 01:15.56 | bob_ | is there an evolution support channel of some description, can't find one? |
| 01:15.58 | bluefox83 | what abotu wiping out your packages directory and creating a new sources.list? |
| 01:16.05 | Guerin | ... but that would be even more insane than running sid. |
| 01:16.06 | bluefox83 | *about |
| 01:16.08 | MobyTurbo | chacho: it won't when the new stuff enters from sid in a week or two |
| 01:16.13 | Loof | I could see unstable being bad |
| 01:16.15 | Guerin | bluefox83: man apt_preferences |
| 01:16.17 | Loof | but why would testing be unstable :) |
| 01:16.19 | chacho | i see |
| 01:16.21 | Guerin | bluefox83: short answer: no. |
| 01:16.24 | JoshH | i downgraded from sid to woody with pinning once.. a long time ago. it actually worked ok. |
| 01:16.36 | glick | is there an channel here for embedded developers? |
| 01:16.42 | hejux | JoshH: yes there are commands |
| 01:17.11 | JoshH | hejux: rm -rf your ~/.gnome* |
| 01:17.16 | JoshH | then log out and log back into it |
| 01:17.18 | JoshH | and see if it works |
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| 01:17.37 | hikenboot | the only app I know of that does the bootable stuff is nero..but thats a windows app...k3b doesnt appear to have that functionality...anyone know a linux app for this? |
| 01:17.41 | shingouz | hejux: be smart and just mv the directory |
| 01:17.43 | hejux | ok |
| 01:17.46 | JoshH | hejux: and your .gconf* |
| 01:18.03 | Guerin | sid isn't broken at all for me |
| 01:18.07 | chacho | i tried running sid because i wanted a 2.6.11 kernel |
| 01:18.14 | Guerin | the problems I had with mplayer turned out to be pebcak |
| 01:18.14 | doleyb | hikenboot: actually, nero is for linux too |
| 01:18.16 | shingouz | MobyTurbo: because i am too lazy to move back after several years ;) |
| 01:18.23 | caphuso | Guerin: not yet :) |
| 01:18.23 | devazion | MobyTurbo, Too feel the rush of unstable? ;D |
| 01:18.25 | JoshH | MobyTurbo: well, sid is finally starting to get some nice updates, it was getting stale for a while because of sarge. |
| 01:18.26 | chacho | but i found out pretty quick that just downloading that package is a lot better idea |
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| 01:18.40 | JoshH | i always run sid on desktops personally, but im not an idiot |
| 01:18.42 | Sir | is the BiPAC 5100S adsl modem compatible with linux? it has ethernet and a built in dhcp client and server |
| 01:18.43 | Guerin | caphuso: indeed. Waiting on kde 3.4 and xorg for my wife's box... |
| 01:18.46 | JoshH | at least not in my opinion. :P |
| 01:19.07 | devazion | Guerin, why you need xorg? :) |
| 01:19.17 | hikenboot | thanks I didnt know that! |
| 01:19.23 | MobyTurbo | JoshH: there are nice updates, but several of said updates are broken |
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| 01:19.39 | JoshH | Guerin: are you running gnome 2.10 from sid right now by any chance? |
| 01:20.02 | chacho | Sir: id say yes, pretty much all network hardware that is not usb works no problem |
| 01:20.23 | Guerin | devazion: i don't, but it'll eventually come into sid, and then I predict things will start breaking. |
| 01:20.31 | Guerin | JoshH: hell no. |
| 01:20.34 | JoshH | so far the only problem i have with sid is that since i upgraded gnome to 2.10, it doesnt show my mounted drives on the desktop anymore, unless i restart dbus. ubuntu hoary apparently had the same problem though when it released. i think its something to do with g-v-m |
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| 01:21.15 | MobyTurbo | I'm thinking about running sid, but am waiting until things to settle down a bit. |
| 01:21.21 | JoshH | not a bad idea |
| 01:21.29 | concept10 | what command displays current processor speed? |
| 01:21.35 | Golfgeo | Hi all, got a question about Gimp. I'm have three images that are each a color chanel but are in B/W and I'm trying to combine them in Gimp. I have loaded them as different layers but I can't find the option or tool to change them to eather red, green or blue... |
| 01:21.38 | doleyb | concept10: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:22.10 | michaelooo | What's happening with gnome on Sid ?? I have dist-upgrade today, and now gnome does work ... gnome-panel crash, nautilus crash ... |
| 01:22.13 | concept10 | doleyb, does that list current processor speed? |
| 01:22.21 | MobyTurbo | according to debian-devel-announce there is going to be a big migration due to C++ ABI incompatabilities soon. |
| 01:22.35 | JoshH | once that starts, i will definitely hold off on upgrades |
| 01:22.36 | caphuso | MobyTurbo: those are fun! |
| 01:22.45 | s1monsays | michaelooo: probably not all the dependant libs etc have been upgraded yet |
| 01:22.51 | htaccess | after upgrading woody to sarge and changing from defualt woody 2.4.18 kernel to the default sarge 2.4.27 the box no longer recognises my ide drives (/ is on a scsi) how do i get it to recognise the drive, or do i need to downgrade my kernel (if so how, is the 2.4.18 kernel still there, do i just need to edit lilo.conf?) |
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| 01:23.05 | michaelooo | s1monsays: all seems to be upgrade ... |
| 01:23.07 | Guerin | !sidsmite michaelooo |
| 01:23.08 | MobyTurbo | caphuso: when you're on dial-up you tend to want to avoid that kind of fun as much as possible. ;-) |
| 01:23.36 | JoshH | htaccess: you probably need to load a module either for the ide controller, or maybe the filesystem on the ide drives |
| 01:23.37 | Guerin | yes, gnome in sid is horribly broken |
| 01:23.39 | Guerin | deal |
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| 01:23.47 | SDFH_Linux | is xfce gui just as fast as icewm? |
| 01:23.47 | michaelooo | Guerin: ok |
| 01:23.56 | Guerin | might I recommend y'all remove gnome permanently and use openbox |
| 01:23.57 | JoshH | SDFH_Linux: try it and see... |
| 01:24.06 | Voodoo-Child | michaelooo: and also keep in mind that you chose to live on the edge running and unstable version of debian |
| 01:24.07 | htaccess | JoshH, its ext3 which is whats on the scsi |
| 01:24.25 | SDFH_Linux | i think i need an opinion |
| 01:24.28 | devazion | SDFH_Linux, You won't notice any differance :) XFCE is probably a bit slower... |
| 01:24.35 | htaccess | JoshH, how do i work out what ide controller module i need? |
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| 01:24.46 | devazion | SDFH_Linux, if you need an opinion... try yourself and get one |
| 01:24.53 | michaelooo | Voodoo-Child: yes i understand, but i run on Debian Sid last 2 yers with no big issue |
| 01:25.00 | michaelooo | but today :( |
| 01:25.11 | JoshH | do you know what controller it is? dmesg | grep -i ide |
| 01:25.19 | SDFH_Linux | devazion :P |
| 01:25.36 | htaccess | JoshH, no i dont, grepping dmesg now |
| 01:25.42 | JoshH | htaccess: is it a pci ide controller? |
| 01:26.01 | devazion | michaelooo, sid was the kid next door that trashed toys ;D |
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| 01:26.08 | Voodoo-Child | michelooo: another answer may be that debian is on moving since sarge become "stable" |
| 01:26.26 | SDFH_Linux | i think i ate to many chili beans |
| 01:26.30 | JoshH | htaccess: the ide drives are recognized by the bios/post screen right? |
| 01:26.32 | Angry_Bacon | eww |
| 01:26.38 | michaelooo | devazion: :) |
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| 01:27.10 | Angry_Bacon | i still can't boot to the terminal, the last persons idea didn't owrk |
| 01:27.22 | Angry_Bacon | work** |
| 01:27.28 | Alumin | what I'm curious about, is how come this gnome breakage didn't come up when the packages were cohabitating in experimental? |
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| 01:27.39 | Alumin | I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation, I just don't know what it is :) |
| 01:27.42 | bztunk | Alumin: Professional secret. |
| 01:28.00 | Alumin | bztunk: it always is :p |
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| 01:28.38 | Guerin | Alumin: same reason some bugs still get through from unstable into testing |
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| 01:28.48 | Alumin | I mean, is this sarge's fault? since sarge took so long there are tons of packages in experimental that need to filter to sid? |
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| 01:28.58 | Alumin | Guerin: "some bugs" is not "gnome doesn't start" :) |
| 01:29.02 | michaelooo | someone who know when xorg come to sid ? |
| 01:29.05 | Angry_Bacon | i need to boot to a terminal so i can pass special paramiters to x |
| 01:29.07 | Alumin | which from what I gather is the issue pretty much everyone is having? |
| 01:29.17 | htaccess | JoshH, yes the bios is recognising the ide drive, the serial number comes up under primary master etc, but greping dmesg for ide doesnt yeild much: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
| 01:29.30 | Angry_Bacon | Alumin: can you start x? |
| 01:29.44 | Alumin | Angry_Bacon: I can start X fine, but I'm not running sid :) |
| 01:29.45 | bztunk | Alumin: If you don't want to downgrade, don't use sid... or live with the breakage. |
| 01:29.51 | Angry_Bacon | Alumin: type startx |
| 01:29.57 | JoshH | htaccess: is it a pci card or just on your mobo? |
| 01:30.14 | Angry_Bacon | Alumin: tell me where that gets you |
| 01:30.15 | Alumin | bztunk, Angry_Bacon: I'm not having the problem...I just know what I've heard |
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| 01:30.25 | Angry_Bacon | Alumin: oh |
| 01:30.33 | GnU-Linux | Boa |
| 01:30.36 | htaccess | JoshH, unfortunately I didnt check, and the box is now remote ... |
| 01:30.48 | htaccess | but i assume its on the mobo |
| 01:30.49 | JoshH | got a serial console? |
| 01:30.55 | JoshH | do you know what mobo/ |
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| 01:31.10 | AndyG | How can i access the exit value of a command executed in a shell script? |
| 01:31.15 | tcsetattr | htaccess, check your old /var/log/kern* from when you were running the other kernel. |
| 01:31.20 | Alumin | AndyG: $? |
| 01:31.26 | Angry_Bacon | does any1 body know how to boot to a terminal without uninstalling x |
| 01:31.38 | chalenged | Alumin: actually gnome doesn't start for those that havent fixed what they needed, some people have running gnomes some dont...thos that do have running gnomes probably fixed it themselves.. |
| 01:31.41 | Alumin | Angry_Bacon: do you need to _boot_ to a terminal or just _get_ to one? |
| 01:31.47 | Angry_Bacon | boot to one |
| 01:31.55 | Angry_Bacon | i need to pass paramiters to x |
| 01:32.05 | shingouz | !tell Angry_Bacon about nodm |
| 01:32.10 | Alumin | Angry_Bacon: you could edit xserverrc |
| 01:32.11 | AndyG | Alumin: Is that the numeric value of the last program? can i check != 0 against $? to detect errors? |
| 01:32.19 | Alumin | AndyG: yeah |
| 01:32.24 | AndyG | Alumin: Great, thx |
| 01:32.30 | htaccess | tcsetattr, anything i can grep for to narrow down what im looking for? |
| 01:32.31 | Alumin | Angry_Bacon: alternatively you could edit /etc/inittab and change your default runlevel |
| 01:32.39 | tcsetattr | htaccess, grep for "ide" I guess :) |
| 01:32.51 | Angry_Bacon | i said without installing x |
| 01:32.52 | Alumin | I haven't heard of "nodm" but it sounds like it might be another option |
| 01:32.56 | Angry_Bacon | uninstalling* |
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| 01:33.14 | Angry_Bacon | and i dont want to change the standard options |
| 01:33.27 | doleyb | Alumin: are you telling him to go single-user mode? |
| 01:33.38 | Alumin | doleyb: there are other runlevels besides 1 :) |
| 01:33.47 | doleyb | Alumin: this is debian, there aren't. |
| 01:33.51 | bathat | is it safe to change etc/fstab to sde5 instead of hde5 because what if it turns out to be wrong and then i won't be able to boot to either kernel |
| 01:34.22 | Alumin | debian doesn't have a no-X runlevel? odd |
| 01:34.32 | bob_ | so no one is aware of an evolution support channel? even on another network :| ? |
| 01:34.36 | Alumin | I mean, other than full-on single user mode |
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| 01:34.52 | doleyb | Alumin: right. why you guessing wrong answers to things you don't know? |
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| 01:35.04 | htaccess | Feb 15 15:29:24 tux kernel: ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd800-0xd807, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ?? |
| 01:35.04 | chalenged | bathat: just copy the line.... |
| 01:35.05 | Angry_Bacon | what i need to do is start in a terminal so i can pass different paramiters for that time only |
| 01:35.14 | chalenged | bob_ novell? |
| 01:35.15 | Angry_Bacon | paramiters to x |
| 01:35.27 | doleyb | Angry_Bacon: is there anything wrong with just booting, killing X, and using the terminal then? |
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| 01:35.33 | tcsetattr | xdm is just another daemon... why should it be special enough to be listed in inittab? inetd isn't in there, sshd isn't in there, apache isn't in there, mysqld isn't in there... |
| 01:35.38 | Azar | would /usr/sbin/base-config work under Sarge as well? |
| 01:35.39 | Angry_Bacon | that could work |
| 01:35.44 | htaccess | is BM-DMA a ide type? |
| 01:35.45 | bathat | chalenged: yeah, so in other words, add the sda lines as well as hde ones? |
| 01:35.47 | Angry_Bacon | be back later |
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| 01:37.42 | AndyG | Alumin: Hm im piping the stout of that progam into sed, so i gess $? is set by sed... im doing # rsync -someoptions | sed -e 's/^/somestring / . How can i save $? of the rsync? Any ideas? |
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| 01:38.38 | chalenged | htaccess: BM = busmastering DMA = direct memory access......= so not its a style |
| 01:38.41 | htaccess | ah here we go , forgot the -i : PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 21 |
| 01:39.01 | s1monsays | okay i fixed my libc problem. it was inregards to vpopmail. how do i submit info to the bot? |
| 01:39.02 | chalenged | bathat: yeah that way you only adding support.... |
| 01:39.04 | Alumin | hmm |
| 01:39.17 | bathat | chalenged: so, that will work... adding both |
| 01:39.28 | bob_ | chalenged, yes |
| 01:39.43 | doleyb | tcsetattr: just as devil advocate, X is special because it loads hardware specific drivers, which those other things don't. |
| 01:39.55 | chalenged | htaccess driver is PIIX |
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| 01:40.11 | Alumin | AndyG: maybe you could do something with parentheses...I dunno if this will work, and I'm sure someone will point out if it doesn't, but perhaps ( rsync -someoptions ; EXIT=${?} ) | sed -e ...? |
| 01:40.14 | htaccess | chalenged, yea, i managed to realise that much :) |
| 01:40.20 | chalenged | bob_: as in did any of the novel chanels have clues.. |
| 01:40.25 | bathat | chalenged: also, is there any way to know definitively if hde5 translates into sde5 instead of sda5? |
| 01:40.30 | bob_ | thanks chalenged :) |
| 01:40.40 | htaccess | so now i need to load a module for that controller? |
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| 01:41.50 | shingouz | htaccess: lsmod | grep -i piix |
| 01:41.52 | tcsetattr | I'm not definitive, but I don't think you can have an sde without an sda sdb sdc sdd |
| 01:42.16 | AndyG | Alumin: Yep, that worked, thx again |
| 01:42.17 | htaccess | shingouz, nothing |
| 01:42.21 | Alumin | hah |
| 01:42.35 | shingouz | htaccess: modprobe piix |
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| 01:42.50 | bathat | tcsetattr: yes, but how do i know which one is root for kernel 2.6? |
| 01:43.03 | htaccess | bu i do have ide-disk and ide-core , doing the modprobe |
| 01:43.06 | chalenged | bathat: depends but dmesg should show you what happend on boot to devices...search for you hard disk controller ill list what i mapped them to.. |
| 01:43.24 | mfrisch | is postfix borked in unstable? |
| 01:43.26 | htaccess | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.50 | bathat | chalenged: yeah, i know kernel 2.4 maps to hde5 |
| 01:43.54 | bathat | but what about 2.6 |
| 01:44.35 | chalenged | bathat: check dmesg after you boot.. |
| 01:44.41 | tcsetattr | trial and error? mount by LABEL=? mount by UUID? |
| 01:44.50 | bathat | Kernel command line: root=/dev/hde5 ro |
| 01:44.56 | bathat | chalenged: i can't get 2.6 to boot though |
| 01:45.01 | tcsetattr | oh, you can't do the root by label. |
| 01:45.04 | chalenged | bathat: then look thorugh it for when hard disk controllers loaded |
| 01:45.05 | wols | htaccess: that BM-DMA line is your piix driver. it's already loaded |
| 01:45.06 | bathat | that's the eternal problem |
| 01:45.10 | chalenged | htaccess: it should be in lsmod now |
| 01:45.25 | chalenged | htaccess: lsmod |grep piix |
| 01:45.35 | wols | htaccess: look for a "hda" or "hdb" in your dmesg output (if it's on the first IDE channel |
| 01:45.52 | bathat | kernel 2.4 has this: Kernel command line: root=/dev/hde5 ro: but i can get that from menu.1st |
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| 01:46.06 | bathat | i just am not sure if hde always maps to sde |
| 01:47.09 | bathat | chalenged: if i were to add sda5 and sde5 to grub, would kernel 2.4 still know to use hde5? |
| 01:47.49 | htaccess | lsmod | grep piix ==> nothing |
| 01:48.22 | htaccess | wols its on ide0 but there is nothing in dmesg |
| 01:48.27 | tcsetattr | there really isn't a separate IDE driver for every controller. mostly they're all in the main ide-mod |
| 01:48.35 | tcsetattr | do you have a /proc/ide? |
| 01:48.37 | bob_ | chalenged, can you please point me to some specific documentation to setting up squid with a win 2k3 AD to authenticate users? if you know of any |
| 01:49.09 | chalenged | bathat: do you want both 2.4 and 2.6 as options on boot? |
| 01:49.14 | wols | bathat: what kind of SCSI chipset is it? |
| 01:49.15 | htaccess | don@atmos:/proc/ide$ ls amd74xx drivers hda hdc ide0 ide1 |
| 01:49.18 | bathat | chalenged: yes |
| 01:49.32 | htaccess | shit wrong box sorry |
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| 01:49.36 | bathat | i've been looking at this a little bit... http://kerneltrap.org/node/3794 |
| 01:49.51 | bathat | wols: WDC WD800JD-75JNA0, ATA DISK drive ... it's SATA |
| 01:50.26 | wols | bathat: please read what I asked, then answer again |
| 01:50.36 | wols | also, since when is SATA == SCSI? |
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| 01:50.45 | htaccess | tux:/etc# lsmod | grep piix\npiix 9096 0 (unused)\nide-core 108568 0 [piix ide-disk] |
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| 01:51.02 | bathat | wols: how do i check what scsi chipset it is? |
| 01:51.04 | pajama | hi, I installed Xen on a Debian 3.1 server, and when it boots I don't have network support.... |
| 01:51.23 | _meppl_ | gute nacht - good night |
| 01:51.29 | chalenged | bathat: ok well the 2.4 will have a different drive but as long as both exist in fstab then whichever it is should load |
| 01:51.33 | pajama | what can I do to make the Xen kernel use the debian network modules? |
| 01:51.35 | chalenged | bathat: IE have both versions of the line in FStab accept one wil fail depending on which kernel |
| 01:51.41 | wols | bathat: you should know since you made a kernel for it? how do you know you included the needed driver for your chip if you don't know what it is in the first place? |
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| 01:51.53 | bathat | chalenged: thanks |
| 01:51.58 | Alumin | pajama: other than a hostile alien world, what's Xen? :) |
| 01:51.58 | wols | lspci -V |
| 01:52.10 | pajama | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ |
| 01:52.12 | wols | Alumin: GPLed sort of VMWare basically |
| 01:52.21 | Alumin | neat |
| 01:52.25 | bluefox83 | i don't think this new version of X is making correctly >.> |
| 01:52.32 | chalenged | wols: atalib made it scsi...and it's just a naming convention IDE SCSI its all the same for kernel BUS.Device......hda/sda are just names |
| 01:52.34 | pajama | some say better than VMWare |
| 01:52.34 | bathat | wols: well, i used kpkg |
| 01:52.44 | htaccess | tux:/proc/ide# ls\ndrivers |
| 01:52.55 | pajama | Has anybody else used Xen on Debian? |
| 01:52.58 | mfrisch | [postfix/smtp] connect to 127.0.0.1 connection refused ?? |
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| 01:53.19 | chalenged | pajama: most say they are on drugs tho |
| 01:53.21 | tcsetattr | htaccess, do you have a question? it looks like everything is loaded already. |
| 01:53.23 | wols | bathat: last time I checked kernel-package doesn't have magical AI to determinine what kind of hardware you hav~e... |
| 01:53.35 | chalenged | bluefox83: hehe welcome to the dev problems with xorg |
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| 01:54.03 | htaccess | tcsetattr, here is the problem: tux:/proc/ide# fsck.ext3 /dev/hda1\ne2fsck 1.37 (21-Mar-2005)\nfsck.ext3: No such device or address while trying to open /dev/hda1\nPossibly non-existent or swap device? |
| 01:54.19 | chalenged | bluefox83: you may want a copy of ubuntu to see how they hacked it... |
| 01:54.24 | tcsetattr | htaccess, how about checking /proc/partitions... sounds like a partition table problem |
| 01:54.25 | cfh_dev | Where can I find a list of debian apt sources? |
| 01:54.56 | wols | chalenged: if he doesn't know what kind of chipset it is, he can't know if it's actually working in his kernel. making VFS panics pretty much impossible to debug. He doesn't know if the error is because of missing driver or the wrong root partition name he uses |
| 01:55.00 | chalenged | cfh_dev: apt-setup for officials...or debian pages.. |
| 01:55.03 | bluefox83 | i don't see a place to configure this damn thing, some of the files they list as being in the root directory of the source isn't there.. |
| 01:55.04 | mfrisch | cfh_dev apt-get.org |
| 01:55.11 | Voodoo-Child | cfh_dev: debian.org/mirror |
| 01:55.15 | cfh_dev | mfrisch: thanks |
| 01:55.20 | cfh_dev | and thanks to others |
| 01:55.24 | dvs | backports.org |
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| 01:55.36 | htaccess | tcsetattr, only scsi stuff in /proc/partitions |
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| 01:55.43 | WiFiTux | someone here with an ati 7500 with direct rendering working? |
| 01:55.47 | bluefox83 | looks like it's going to take a while to make it.. |
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| 01:56.08 | wols | htaccess: how do you know it works in BIOS since you said it's remote now? |
| 01:56.21 | tcsetattr | htaccess, take a look at the files in /proc/ide/hda, see if they look right |
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| 01:57.16 | chalenged | wols: first i hear of him getting panics heheh im just answering what i know hehe i havent eluded to fixing a specific problem as of yet hehehe |
| 01:57.18 | htaccess | wols, i was there this morning, the bios gets the serial number on the correct device (ide0 primary) |
| 01:57.52 | htaccess | tux:/proc/ide# cat /proc/ide/hda\ncat: /proc/ide/hda: No such file or directory |
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| 01:58.01 | wols | htaccess: if it's now remote, it could have come loose on the transport for example |
| 01:58.16 | jim | htaccess: /proc/bus? |
| 01:58.35 | htaccess | wols, no its not far from here, i opened it up and checked the connections its not moved |
| 01:58.46 | WiFiTux | has someone with gnome done a dist-upgrade recently and worked??? |
| 01:59.00 | wols | htaccess: you using a debian kernel or a custom one? |
| 01:59.01 | WiFiTux | Sid |
| 01:59.04 | jim | WiFiTux: upgrade to stable, right? |
| 01:59.05 | bathat | wait, support for SATA (libata) has been disabled in xconfig |
| 01:59.12 | WiFiTux | jim, Sid |
| 01:59.19 | htaccess | jim, tux:/proc/bus# ls\npci/ usb/ |
| 01:59.22 | jim | sid's not generally supported :) it's a moving target |
| 01:59.22 | Gskillet | Question: Has anyone gotten a Bluetooth USB device to work on Linux? |
| 01:59.28 | tcsetattr | the fact that /proc/ide/hda exists but hda is not mentioned in /proc/partitions is a clue... you just have to figure out what it means |
| 01:59.34 | jim | htaccess: hmmm |
| 01:59.39 | WiFiTux | It wants to remove libgtop2-2 libnautilus2-2 nautilus-media |
| 01:59.40 | bathat | should this be the case... reading the description, i'm not sure |
| 01:59.42 | shingouz | Gskillet: and what is the problem. you are polling here now |
| 01:59.46 | chalenged | WiFiTux: unstable? |
| 01:59.55 | chalenged | Gskillet yes |
| 02:00.01 | WiFiTux | chalenged, Sid, yes. |
| 02:00.04 | jim | WiFiTux: well you have two choices... you can let it do that, or not... |
| 02:00.11 | wols | bathat: lspci -V will give you the SATA chipset. is that chipset compiled in? |
| 02:00.17 | tcsetattr | look for the "Partition check" in dmesg |
| 02:00.25 | htaccess | wols, debian, i had 2.4.18 with woody, upgraded to sarge, successfull, installed 2.4.27, reboot, fisk error fsck cannot find hda |
| 02:00.29 | Gskillet | well, i cant get the drivers in syntapic to recognize my usb device |
| 02:00.31 | WiFiTux | jim, i wonder if it will break, or simply the files are deprecated |
| 02:00.43 | Gskillet | im trying to pair a phone but it says Device not connected: Success |
| 02:00.51 | chalenged | WiFiTux: i knwo some people got gnome working with the updates yesterday or the day before but im unsure if its out of the box or if they hacked it to make it work |
| 02:01.06 | cfh_dev | I was using the the testing release before. Can I just switch my apt source over to stable now that Sarge has been released? |
| 02:01.18 | htaccess | its weird that the bios seems to see it but its totally invisible to debian |
| 02:01.20 | wols | htaccess: and if you go back to the 2.4.18 kernel? it should still be in /boot |
| 02:01.21 | jim | WiFiTux: it might, it might not... see, the thing you're not realizing is that the sid you have might match a few people, and maybe none of those are here |
| 02:01.25 | WiFiTux | chalenged, gnome is working all along with me, updating daily. |
| 02:01.25 | bathat | wols: [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 01) |
| 02:01.49 | htaccess | wols, i was going to try that, how do i go back, edit something in /etc/lilo.conf? |
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| 02:02.18 | jim | WiFiTux: you're updating daily?? do you read the source of everything that gets updated? do you keep daily backups? |
| 02:02.34 | chalenged | cfh_dev : if you haven't done a Dist-upgrade yes you can ....if you have then you may already have migrated to etch |
| 02:02.53 | WiFiTux | jim, no. If it breaks, i find out what it was and report it. |
| 02:02.59 | htaccess | wols, change default=LinuxOLD perhaps? |
| 02:03.10 | spdf | htaccess, That'd do 'er.. |
| 02:03.34 | wols | htaccess: yes |
| 02:03.35 | jim | WiFiTux: when you come across problems, do you investigate by locating where n the C source where it is, determine how to fix it, apply that fix, and report that total transaction to the BTS? |
| 02:03.39 | wols | if LinuxOld is the old kernel |
| 02:03.50 | wols | otherwise you have to add another entry of cours |
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| 02:04.07 | jim | if not, why are you running something that's allowed to break in any way? |
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| 02:04.17 | WiFiTux | jim, no. Just that an specific packages broke. People can't start knowing it all. |
| 02:04.25 | dabreegster | Does anybody know of something like an IRC interface to the AIM service? I need to talk to people on AIM unfortunately, and I'm more comfortable in IRC. |
| 02:04.38 | bob2 | dabreegster: bitlbee |
| 02:04.52 | dabreegster | bob2: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 02:05.09 | htaccess | wols, looks good: /vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-1-686, ill boot it up and see what happens |
| 02:05.11 | WiFiTux | jim, is there a site to look at what was recently changed or uploaded and why, with what fixes and changelog? |
| 02:05.15 | doleyb | dabreegster: i have an aim interface to irc.. |
| 02:05.24 | dvs | htaccess: you did run lilo right? |
| 02:05.25 | spdf | dabreegster, Run it locally, I wouldn't trust connecting to their servers.. |
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| 02:05.43 | htaccess | dvs, no, when? |
| 02:05.53 | spdf | htaccess, after you change lilo.conf |
| 02:06.13 | Agrajag- | i've just upgraded one old woody box to sarge. i want to install another sarge box, but if i can help it, save on the downloads that the first one has already done. how might i achieve this? |
| 02:06.13 | dabreegster | spdf: connecting to whose? AIM's? If I run bitlbee on my box, then I'd have to. |
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| 02:06.19 | dvs | htaccess: If you are using lilo, you must run lilo after you chanege lilo.conf or the kernel files it refers to |
| 02:06.19 | dabreegster | doleyb: Opposite of what I'm looking for. |
| 02:06.20 | jim | WiFiTux: it's been argued that if a debian user doesn't understand how to locate and fix problems, they shouldn't be using sid... I think that's somewhat harsh, but then, how is anyone going to support you if they don't have a solid picture of their situation, and also such a picture is difficult or impossible to produce? |
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| 02:06.31 | Agrajag- | the packages are all still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 02:06.39 | spdf | dabreegster, I mean, bitlbee runs a server, so you don't have to. But, you should run your own local server.. |
| 02:06.46 | wols | Agrajag-: copy /var/cache/apt/archives/ to the 2nd arge box at the same place |
| 02:07.05 | Agrajag- | wols: problem is it doesn't have debian on it yet |
| 02:07.09 | jasoncohen | i've been searching google for hours trying to figure out how to get exim4 to authenticate from passwd.client with SSL encryption. i seem to have everything set up correctly but it doesn't work. |
| 02:07.12 | dabreegster | spdf: Oh, cool. And why? bitlbee has a bad rep? I'm on dialup here, so I'm not sure how running a server will work for me. |
| 02:07.14 | Agrajag- | i've got an old installer cd |
| 02:07.27 | htaccess | dvs, thanks i changed the default and ran lilo, going to reboot it now ... |
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| 02:07.40 | dvs | htaccess: ok |
| 02:07.45 | jim | WiFiTux: having said ALL that, if someone can help you, good enough. but you need to LIVE, BREATHE, EAT and SLEEP the url at /msg dpkg smart questions if you expect any quality at all without someone else doing your leg work |
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| 02:07.47 | wols | Agrajag-: then make your current sarge to an apt repository and do a network install |
| 02:08.14 | WiFiTux | jim, it has been said that with Linux, anyone can do whatever they want to. I use Sid, and will be able to tell and help determine a problem. I have filed bugs before and they have been resolved. Now. I can't help, if I don't get answers. Is there a CHangelog file with the changes to the mirror?> |
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| 02:08.30 | spdf | dabreegster, Nah, their rep is fine. I'm weary like that I guess.. I dislike connecting to that sort of thing through third parties where logging and such is involved.. |
| 02:08.32 | wols | dabreegster: it will work. IRC uses practically no traffic |
| 02:08.47 | jim | WiFiTux: so people here can help you if they want to... and they might not if you make it too hard |
| 02:08.48 | dabreegster | wols: I'll try locally |
| 02:09.01 | jim | thanks for making my point so clear :) |
| 02:09.05 | dabreegster | spdf: I'll try it locally, but I'm not worried about that. I have nothing to hide. Oh crap, that usually means I have something to hide.... |
| 02:09.12 | spdf | dabreegster, lol |
| 02:09.22 | bathat | wols: my sata controller is enabled in config |
| 02:09.26 | bathat | sata_sil |
| 02:09.32 | WiFiTux | jim, too hard? I just want to know if there is a CHANGELOG for the things that are uploaded to Sid and the mirrors. Is that a secret? i don't know the answer. |
| 02:09.44 | bluefox83 | how long does this damn make world take!?!?! |
| 02:09.50 | spdf | dabreegster, A local server will be fine, all of the IRC traffic is local, and the bitlbee server does the rest (it would be comparable to just running aim) |
| 02:10.03 | wols | bathat: and what does the kernel say on bootup. it usually prints the disks you know (press "pause" if you can) |
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| 02:10.05 | jim | I haven't yet figured out if sid is actually supported by this channel or not... there have been arguments I've seen on both side |
| 02:10.11 | dabreegster | spdf: Fine by me. I'll try both options. Thanks |
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| 02:10.24 | bathat | wols: well, i can't boot to 2.6 |
| 02:10.36 | jim | WiFiTux: there are changelogs for every package. |
| 02:10.38 | doleyb | WiFiTux: each package has its own changelog.Debian |
| 02:10.39 | mfrisch | [postfix/smtp] connect to 127.0.0.1 connection refused ?? |
| 02:10.44 | Alumin | if I install the package hostap-modules-<arch>, should that be all I need to use a Prism2/2.5/3-based card in Sarge with a WEP-enabled 802.11g access point? |
| 02:10.50 | wols | bathat: if you can't even run the kernel, you have bigger problems than a non working SATA... |
| 02:10.51 | dvs | mfrisch: you're paranoid |
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| 02:10.55 | Jacobo221 | is there any zip-file password cracker? I had a .zip backup file on an old DOS laptop and i want to recover it, but i can't remoember the password it had |
| 02:11.01 | bathat | wols: ok |
| 02:11.15 | spdf | Jacobo221, google.. |
| 02:11.20 | WiFiTux | jim, support, define it! Is the capability of users and their knowledge. The products and projects I support. There are no users unhappy. |
| 02:11.20 | bathat | wols: it just freezes on the root location |
| 02:11.25 | mfrisch | dvs its not droping mail |
| 02:11.36 | jim | mfrisch: connection refused can mean "the thing you're trying to connect to on this port is not actually running now" |
| 02:11.42 | wols | bathat: but the kernel itself loads and prints out lots of lines, right? |
| 02:11.42 | WiFiTux | jim, doleyb: There has to be a file that says what was uploaded and changed. |
| 02:11.46 | Jacobo221 | spdf: ye, ok. let me change the question to "good zip-file cracker" |
| 02:11.46 | htaccess | sigh, looks like the box is not comming back up :( |
| 02:11.51 | bathat | wols: quite a few, yes |
| 02:12.04 | jim | WiFiTux: again, there is a changelog in each package. |
| 02:12.05 | mfrisch | jim I am not getting crons nothing |
| 02:12.08 | wols | bathat: so read the line(s) where it talks about your harddisk and it's partitions |
| 02:12.17 | bathat | ok |
| 02:12.23 | WiFiTux | jim, so, how do you know what was uploaded? |
| 02:12.24 | WiFiTux | changed |
| 02:12.32 | Alumin | WiFiTux: you could try apt-listchanges as well |
| 02:12.37 | wols | yes it will be hard, so use "pause" if you can. boot more than once if you don't get it the first time, etc |
| 02:12.38 | doleyb | WiFiTux: its all on the ftp. look at the ftp, do a comparison if you want |
| 02:12.43 | jim | WiFiTux: (1) download the source |
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| 02:12.46 | WiFiTux | Alumin, ha! that sounds right. |
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| 02:12.52 | spdf | Jacobo221, john the ripper |
| 02:13.04 | jim | WiFiTux: (2) download the source of the version you already have |
| 02:13.19 | jim | WiFiTux: (3) run a diff over the two dirs |
| 02:13.24 | spdf | Jacobo221, I seem to remember it doing that too, but I could be wrong.. |
| 02:13.25 | jim | WiFiTux: (4) read that dif |
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| 02:13.29 | WiFiTux | Alumin, that doesn't exist. |
| 02:13.36 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 02:13.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
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| 02:13.45 | doleyb | WiFiTux: if you can't TELL what exists or not... |
| 02:13.52 | psyc | hi, after i install linux with windows, when i try to boot on windows im getting "Windows root\system32\ha1.dll corrupted ...", does anyone can give me a light about it ? |
| 02:13.55 | Alumin | WiFiTux: funny, I get output from it every time I update a package :) |
| 02:14.17 | Jacobo221 | spdf: didn't know jtr cracked zip pswds... but will check. thanks :) |
| 02:14.21 | WiFiTux | doleyb, you obviously don't know it all either. If you don't have an answer, then you are wasting time. |
| 02:14.27 | spdf | Jacobo221, You know, it probably doesn't.. lol |
| 02:14.28 | tcsetattr | wifitux, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/ |
| 02:14.36 | jim | WiFiTux: here's the major point: you are experiencing problems and you're running sid. is that part correct? |
| 02:14.43 | WiFiTux | tcsetattr, sounds like, let me read. |
| 02:14.44 | doleyb | WiFiTux: he told you something to use, you come back with "it doesn't exist", which is obviously false |
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| 02:15.02 | WiFiTux | jim, im not talking about my problem. But something that should exist. |
| 02:15.42 | jim | but you do have a problem? |
| 02:15.44 | Alumin | WiFiTux: I bet you 1000 zorkmids that apt-listchanges does, in fact, exist |
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| 02:16.12 | WiFiTux | Alumin, not as a command. |
| 02:16.18 | gullyfoyle | is gnome 2.10 in unstable? |
| 02:16.21 | wols | Alumin: of course it does, but he's too dumb to install it. But running sid to be l337 is mandatory of course |
| 02:16.23 | spdf | Jacobo221, You may be able to find the source for ZipCracker (used to be on SourceForge back in the day) |
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| 02:16.39 | Alumin | WiFiTux: if you mean "in the default install", then yes, you're correct about that |
| 02:16.40 | WiFiTux | Alumin, ahh |
| 02:16.41 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: then look through the changelogs in the /usr/share/doc tree |
| 02:16.46 | WiFiTux | different package, it is! |
| 02:16.46 | Alumin | but that's not the same is its not existing :) |
| 02:16.53 | WiFiTux | not part of apt itself. |
| 02:16.59 | Alumin | s/is/as/ |
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| 02:17.15 | doleyb | WiFiTux: apt includes no commands itself. |
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| 02:17.24 | jasoncohen | anyone here use cron-apt? i had it set up and working but last night my ISP stopped allowing unauthenticated connections to its SMTP server. how else can it be setup? at this point i just want the mail sent- i don't care how. can i send it myself? |
| 02:17.28 | WiFiTux | tcsetattr, url looks fine. |
| 02:17.52 | bob_ | can some one please point me to some specific documentation to setting up squid with a win 2k3 AD to authenticate users? |
| 02:18.00 | Mozo | Hi |
| 02:18.06 | WiFiTux | you guys talk too much. tcsetattr had the answer. He only said one line and done. |
| 02:18.13 | WiFiTux | way to go |
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| 02:18.26 | Mozo | anyone can help me to setup my keyboard in fluxbox? |
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| 02:18.31 | wols | jasoncohen: set up a MTA locally, make it use a smarthost with SMTP AUTH. let cron-apt send its mails this way |
| 02:18.46 | Alumin | WiFiTux: and you got multiple informed answers and are now complaining. Whee! |
| 02:18.47 | wols | or if cron-apt only sends mail to local mailboxes, install a local MDA |
| 02:18.52 | spdf | Jacobo221, Whadya know, found source for it.. want the link? |
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| 02:18.58 | Mozo | in KDE my keyboard run perfect... |
| 02:19.07 | Mozo | but in Fluxbox not |
| 02:19.14 | WiFiTux | Alumin, sorry. I will test yours as well. :) Thanks. |
| 02:19.15 | Jacobo221 | spdf: yes please :) |
| 02:19.20 | spdf | Jacobo221, http://jaist.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/zipcracker/zipcracker-0.1.1.tar.gz |
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| 02:19.36 | Mozo | hi? |
| 02:19.38 | Alumin | WiFiTux: it works great, but watch out when you do a dist-upgrade, can be quite a few changes |
| 02:19.42 | Mozo | :| |
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| 02:20.03 | spdf | Jacobo221, Needs gnome libs/dev and such to compile.. |
| 02:20.11 | makaveli0129 | how would i mark my linux partition "active"? |
| 02:20.18 | WiFiTux | Alumin, what do you mean? shouldn't it just list the different packages? |
| 02:20.27 | jasoncohen | wols, i tried doing that. i setup passwd.client with the smtp server, my login & passwd and used the "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" option with my ISPs smtp server as smarthost but it doesn't work |
| 02:20.29 | spdf | Mozo, Did something change? |
| 02:20.39 | Alumin | WiFiTux: it lists all new changelog entries between the installed version and the proposed new version |
| 02:20.45 | Mozo | spdf my keyboard changes the layout if using Fluxbox |
| 02:20.53 | Alumin | so if you're dist-upgrading 50 packages at once, that's a lot of text |
| 02:20.54 | WiFiTux | Alumin, of each packages? OK. |
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| 02:21.09 | Jacobo221 | spdf: looks good :) thanks! |
| 02:21.10 | concept10 | directhex, you still there? |
| 02:21.13 | spdf | Mozo, What does it change it from and too what? |
| 02:21.14 | Mozo | spdf: byt in KDE run in correct layoyt (ABNT II) |
| 02:21.16 | Guerin | WiFiTux: You haven't stopped being an idiotic twat, I see. |
| 02:21.18 | spdf | Jacobo221, Good luck |
| 02:21.25 | jasoncohen | wols, i just get connection refused errors. do you know how to set it up? i would appreciate it if i could see your config files. I must be missing something but i don't know what. I found some similar configurations on google and don't know why mine isn't working |
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| 02:21.32 | wols | jasoncohen: I don't use cron-apt, so where does it send mail to? local mail or remote mail? |
| 02:21.38 | WiFiTux | Guerin, bla bla. |
| 02:21.42 | Mozo | spdf i only edit my .xinitrc for use with fluxbox.. only it |
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| 02:21.58 | spdf | Mozo, I mean, What layout was it before, and what did it go to? |
| 02:22.07 | wols | but I have my own mailserver which delivers all mail to a smarthost which needs AUTH |
| 02:22.07 | jasoncohen | wols, remote mail- it sends to my comcast account |
| 02:22.16 | makaveli0129 | ? |
| 02:22.18 | wolaopa | i can only run nmap fr root, this is right? |
| 02:22.19 | Mozo | spdf the layout changes only in fluxbox |
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| 02:22.30 | Alumin | wolaopa: certain types of scans require privileges |
| 02:22.34 | Mozo | spdf i unkown the layout that fluxbox are setting for my keyboard |
| 02:22.36 | wols | does cron-apt send mail via localhost, port 25? |
| 02:22.42 | alvanson | should /etc/printcap.cups be a symlink to /var/run/cups/printcap or should it be generated? |
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| 02:23.03 | wolaopa | Alumin, so it depends on the selection of scan. |
| 02:23.06 | wols | wolaopa: some ways nmap uses for scanning need raw sockets. Those only work as root, yes |
| 02:23.10 | Alumin | yup |
| 02:23.12 | fwiw39xx | question - does debian 3.1 r0a run on SATA HDDs? i'm thinking of putting debian as a dual boot on my win xp machine |
| 02:23.16 | spdf | Mozo, When you say layout, do you mean its going from Qwerty to Dvorak? or what? |
| 02:23.23 | wolaopa | ok, thks. |
| 02:23.27 | makaveli0129 | does anyone know how to mark my linux partition active? |
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| 02:23.32 | Alumin | wolaopa: regular full-open TCP scan would of course not require root, you could do that with telnet and a shell script |
| 02:23.32 | jasoncohen | wols, i'm not sure. i just see an option in /etc/cron-apt/config for the email address which i set as my comcast email |
| 02:23.37 | dvs | fwiw39xx: Yes, with the linux26 kernel |
| 02:23.41 | bathat | wolaopa: PAUSE didn't work |
| 02:23.46 | wols | fwiw39xx: if the sata chipset is supported by linux then yes. You might want to install with a 2.6 kernel tho |
| 02:23.49 | fwiw39xx | dvs - but isn't debian sarge stable on 2.4? |
| 02:23.49 | Mozo | spdf I unkown |
| 02:24.01 | wolaopa | bathat, i don't get it. |
| 02:24.05 | dvs | fwiw39xx: 2.6 is available as an option |
| 02:24.06 | wols | jasoncohen: are you running a mailserver? exim or postfix? |
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| 02:24.14 | fwiw39xx | dvs - for STABLE? |
| 02:24.14 | jasoncohen | wols, exim |
| 02:24.15 | bathat | wolaopa: how pause didn't work or what? |
| 02:24.18 | Mozo | spdf my layoyt is Portuguese (BRAZIL) ABNT II |
| 02:24.21 | dvs | fwiw39xx: Yes, sarge |
| 02:24.35 | Alumin | bbiab |
| 02:24.48 | hejux | still the problem exist |
| 02:24.59 | wols | jasoncohen: can your paste your cron-apt config in flood? |
| 02:25.06 | wolaopa | bathat, i haven't come across 'pause' in nmap. |
| 02:25.07 | bathat | i don't know what the heck the problem is |
| 02:25.16 | jasoncohen | wols, mind if i just put it in pastebin? |
| 02:25.20 | fwiw39xx | dvs - but isn't the 2.4 kernel more STABLE than 2.6? i mean...why have two kernels, one which is more tested tried and true (2.4) and a newer one (2.6)? |
| 02:25.26 | bathat | wolaopa: sorry, i don't know what nmap is? |
| 02:25.28 | bathat | -? |
| 02:25.29 | wols | jasoncohen: not at all. go ahead |
| 02:25.35 | dvs | fwiw39xx: But the 2.4 hasn't even heard of SATA |
| 02:25.51 | Avogadro | I'm trying to install sarge on an old laptop, with low RAM. I have set up a swap partition, but I am unable to activate it (/dev/hda can't be found) before the install fails due to lack of memory. Any ideas on how to get the installer to locate the harddrive so I can activate swap earlier in the install process? |
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| 02:25.57 | wols | fwiw39xx: cause the 2.4 doesn't support as much hardware. like SATA chipsets |
| 02:26.08 | fwiw39xx | wols - so why even include 2.4 kernel in SARGE stable? |
| 02:26.22 | jasoncohen | wols, http://pastebin.ca/14728 |
| 02:26.26 | bathat | i think this is why i didn't install kernel 2.6 at the beginning because it wasn't working with grub |
| 02:26.33 | wols | cause people who run it on older hardware which has all needed drivers in 2.4 might prefer it? |
| 02:26.34 | dvs | fwiw39xx: To play it safe |
| 02:26.37 | fwiw39xx | ah |
| 02:26.53 | fwiw39xx | how do you select to install kernel 2.6? |
| 02:27.03 | fwiw39xx | i install sarge with 2.4kernel two days ago |
| 02:27.06 | dvs | fwiw39xx: Hit F2 at boot menu |
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| 02:27.19 | fwiw39xx | at GRUB? |
| 02:27.29 | dvs | fwiw39xx: When you install it. |
| 02:27.32 | fwiw39xx | omg |
| 02:27.33 | bathat | wait, in order to pause the boot sequence... do i hit the PAUSE key or some other key |
| 02:27.35 | Scrape | Anyone know how to get MindTerm to play nice w/ PAM (it says 'passwd' not enabled on server... server is of course using PAM). |
| 02:27.39 | fwiw39xx | so do i have to restart? |
| 02:27.43 | bathat | i've never been aware of that feature |
| 02:27.43 | dvs | fwiw39xx: After you install it, try apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 02:27.44 | fwiw39xx | i mean, reinstall to get 2.6? |
| 02:27.53 | jasoncohen | fwiw39xx, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 after install |
| 02:28.01 | bluefox83 | crap, it didn't work.. |
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| 02:28.05 | fwiw39xx | jasoncohen - is that safe? |
| 02:28.10 | jasoncohen | fwiw39xx, yes |
| 02:28.11 | wolaopa | i posed this q yesterday but didn't get a good answer. while running nmap on localhost i noticed a service 'blackice-icecap. what is a valid program? what does it do? |
| 02:28.34 | jasoncohen | wols, and my /etc/exim4/passwd.client has smtp.comcast.net:username:password |
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| 02:28.42 | Brainbug | I'm having trouble installing the Ethernet card in my Laptop. Has anyone had any experience installing the TULIP/CONEXANT driver? How do I install a driver? |
| 02:28.53 | pipeline | You don't install drivers. |
| 02:28.54 | gullyfoyle | i'm running sarge with 2.6 kernel on Seagate 120GB SATA, works beautifully |
| 02:29.05 | Brainbug | :S |
| 02:29.05 | pipeline | Brainbug: Install hotplug. Let hotplug handle it. It should just work. |
| 02:29.08 | fwiw39xx | gully - are you dual booting with winxp tho? |
| 02:29.10 | bathat | gullyfoyle: do you have a sata controller? |
| 02:29.23 | tcsetattr | wolaopa, the service names given by nmap have little relation to the real use of the port, except by coincidence |
| 02:29.24 | dvs | gullyfoyle: what motherboard? |
| 02:29.25 | Brainbug | pipeline: where do I find hotplug? |
| 02:29.26 | gullyfoyle | controller is onboard mobo |
| 02:29.26 | spdf | Brainbug, modprobe tulip |
| 02:29.29 | pipeline | Brainbug: With linux, 99.9% of the drivers you will ever need just come with it. Drivers that you get from a third party cause a hell of a lot of hairpulling and pain. |
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| 02:29.34 | spdf | Brainbug, apt-get install hotplug |
| 02:29.40 | wols | jasoncohen: sorry, I use postfix :( Never used exim |
| 02:29.42 | pipeline | Brainbug: With debian, you don't go "find" anything. You just install it with apt. |
| 02:29.43 | gullyfoyle | MSI KT6 delta |
| 02:29.48 | bathat | gullyfoyle: ok, i have a pci sata controller |
| 02:29.49 | mozo_ | spdf I returned.. :) |
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| 02:30.07 | gullyfoyle | i dual boot but use separate drive |
| 02:30.10 | spdf | mozo_, I don't understand what you mean by your keyboard layout changing.. |
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| 02:30.11 | mozo_ | spdf sorry, I had a problema with my ADSL modem! hehe |
| 02:30.12 | wols | jasoncohen: look in your syslog and mail.log. There should be hints how and why it's failing |
| 02:30.14 | spdf | mozo_, What changes about it? |
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| 02:30.33 | gullyfoyle | WinXP on WD 80GB IDE |
| 02:30.45 | mozo_ | spdf I will try to explain again |
| 02:30.54 | gullyfoyle | yoper on 20GB WD IDE |
| 02:30.58 | gullyfoyle | triple boot |
| 02:31.12 | quio | Hello every one ! I got this error glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop) when I tried to start my X... somebody knows how to fix it? |
| 02:31.23 | Scrape | Anyone? How to make MindTerm work w/ an SSH server that uses PAM rather than passwd? |
| 02:31.27 | bathat | i think that's my ultimate problem... that controller card because i had a lot of trouble with sata_sil during install too |
| 02:31.31 | gullyfoyle | (debian gets the best drive :) |
| 02:31.32 | fwiw39xx | gully - do you keep winxp on a SATA or PATA? |
| 02:31.34 | wolaopa | tcsetattr, so nothing much to read from the listing. this nmap is basically a snooping program, isn't it? |
| 02:31.43 | gullyfoyle | PATA |
| 02:31.46 | fwiw39xx | lol |
| 02:31.50 | fwiw39xx | ownage |
| 02:31.58 | tcsetattr | wolaopa, look upt he port number and then use netstat -plant to find out what program is using it. |
| 02:32.06 | dvs | fwiw39xx: I don't think Windows XP will accept a secondary drive |
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| 02:32.18 | wols | Scrape: ssh always uses PAM. client's don't care if it's PAM straight /etc/passwd auth |
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| 02:32.29 | fwiw39xx | dvs - does that mean i can't dual boot into debian with a 2nd HDD? i thought that was totally possible |
| 02:32.35 | mozo_ | spdf When I start X with KDE, my keyboard are configured as ABNT II (its the correct layout), you understand? |
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| 02:32.43 | dvs | fwiw39xx: You can't put WINDOWS on a secondary drive |
| 02:32.44 | spdf | mozo_, Okay |
| 02:32.44 | wols | Scrape: do you mean it uses public key certs instead of passwords? |
| 02:32.45 | wolaopa | tcsetattr, ok, thks. |
| 02:32.53 | bathat | well, i think i'm going to just give up |
| 02:33.12 | wols | bathat: didn't find the info in the kernel messages? |
| 02:33.14 | fwiw39xx | dvs - yes, i am aware. M$ wants its OS on the primary hdd |
| 02:33.22 | mozo_ | spdf Byt When I start X with Fluxbox (my pref.), my keyboard are configured with an incorrect layout |
| 02:33.22 | bathat | wols: couldn't pause |
| 02:33.23 | witless | i've installed a second copy of debian on another partition, which detected the first installation and added it to its /boot/grub/menu.lst ; however the system still boots into the original installation. how can i get it to boot from the new installation? |
| 02:33.30 | bathat | which key do i hit to pause? |
| 02:33.32 | dvs | fwiw39xx: My debian is on my hdb drive |
| 02:33.50 | fwiw39xx | dvs - are you dual boot xp/debian also? |
| 02:33.52 | wols | gullyfoyle: I'd ask gullyfoyle what his /dev/xxx is for his root partition. Chances are, he uses a silicon image controller as well |
| 02:33.55 | dvs | fwiw39xx: yes |
| 02:33.59 | mozo_ | spdf How can I configure Fluxbox to set my keyboard as ABNT II ? |
| 02:34.09 | dvs | fwiw39xx: But both of mine is PATA |
| 02:34.25 | fwiw39xx | dvs - is PATA sufficient for your needs? |
| 02:34.25 | gullyfoyle | my mobo was ~$80 when i bought it, now i see one on pricewatch for $37 |
| 02:34.29 | mozo_ | *byt = but hehe, sorry :P |
| 02:34.34 | Scrape | wols: MinDterm gives this error: Server does not support 'passwd'. MindTerm supports either password authentication or key authentication. My sshd server is set to use keyboard-interactive/pam. |
| 02:34.55 | dvs | fwiw39xx: I have no complaints. a 120GB (XP) and 40GB (Debian) is working for me. |
| 02:35.01 | jasoncohen | wols, this is all i see from /var/log/exim4/mainlog - http://pastebin.ca/14730 and i don't see anything relevant in /var/log/syslog |
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| 02:35.38 | mozo_ | spdf Understand you now my problem? |
| 02:35.44 | abrotman | !mhb |
| 02:35.50 | fwiw39xx | dvs - what sort of partition do you set up to share files between OSs? |
| 02:35.51 | Gumby | hrm, am I missing something when setting up a windows box to print via samba? The user has an account on the system (both samba and user) , and I have set [printers] to public = yes and printable = yes. I've also set in [print$] browsable = yes and guest ok = yes. Still the user is denied access. Can anyone suggest anything? |
| 02:35.56 | wols | Scrape: so when you log in with /usr/bin/ssh, what do you enter? a password? or do you have a public key file? |
| 02:35.57 | gullyfoyle | /dev/sda1 |
| 02:36.02 | fwiw39xx | !mhb |
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| 02:36.06 | dvs | fwiw39xx: I just use FAT from XP |
| 02:36.09 | jasoncohen | wols, could you tell me how to set this up if i used postfix? |
| 02:36.15 | wolaopa | know of any good software to handle credit card payment? |
| 02:36.17 | dvs | fwiw39xx: I also have a samba server |
| 02:36.22 | Scrape | wols: When I login w/ ssh, I enter a password. |
| 02:36.24 | fwiw39xx | dvs - so ur XP is on NTFS, ext3 for debian, and a shared FAT32? |
| 02:36.29 | spdf | mozo_, I'm unable to test this, but I believe something like "loadkeys abnt-ii" in ~/.xinitrc should be sufficient.. |
| 02:36.45 | dvs | fwiw39xx: I have one NTFS, three vfat, and ext3 for Debian |
| 02:36.49 | wols | jasoncohen: look in the exim docs for more debug or logging output. As I said: I only run postfix |
| 02:36.49 | Scrape | wols: w/ MindTerm, I'm unable to do so, yet that's what it seems to be trying to do. |
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| 02:37.16 | wols | Scrape: any reason you really need mindterm? use putty. works fine |
| 02:37.28 | mozo_ | spdf True! my ~/.xinitrc contains only the command line to start fluxbox! and no to load the correct keys! |
| 02:37.40 | Scrape | wols: Don't want to have to install Putty on other people's computers that I may be using. |
| 02:37.42 | mozo_ | spdf thanks! :D |
| 02:37.43 | wols | jasoncohen: I guess yes. provided your comcast server really allows relaying with smtp auth |
| 02:37.47 | kyle__ | I'm needing to create the device nodes for /dev/hd[i-l]*...is there an easy way to do this, or is it a by hand thing? |
| 02:38.10 | mozo_ | spdf I'll test and return here! |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | kyle__: * ? |
| 02:38.13 | mozo_ | by |
| 02:38.17 | kyle__ | abrotman, partitions |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | what does * mean ? |
| 02:38.22 | abrotman | kyle__: and how many ? |
| 02:38.26 | abrotman | 2? |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | 10? |
| 02:38.29 | abrotman | 547? |
| 02:38.33 | gullyfoyle | Mozo, maybe #fluxbox? |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | !42 |
| 02:38.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 02:38.46 | jasoncohen | wols, i have no attachment to exim4. i'm only using it because that's what was installed by default. if you could help me with postfix i would gladly use that. i've already looked over the exim4 documentation and i'm at a loss to explain why it's not working. |
| 02:38.48 | kyle__ | abrotman, lol I suppose just one per disk will work for now |
| 02:39.04 | dvs | exit |
| 02:39.20 | abrotman | kyle__: touch /dev/hd[i-l]0 .. doesn't work ? |
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| 02:39.43 | doleyb | kyle__: did you try MAKEDEV ? |
| 02:39.54 | kyle__ | abrotman, well right it makes a file, but not a device node |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | doleyb: i don't think the devices exist |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | kyle__: oh .. |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | you want real device nodes ... |
| 02:40.18 | aliumalik | does the freetype package in sid have BCI enabled? |
| 02:40.37 | fwiw39xx | question - is there a linux utility that can repartition a NTFS on SATA HDD? |
| 02:40.46 | fwiw39xx | ...without destroying existing data? |
| 02:40.52 | calmofthestorm7 | so I'm trying to rebuild Debian, and I have the source all untarred with priv and such, but when I run "make xconfig" it says qt is not installed or QTDIR not set. dpkg shows qt-devel installed and QTDIR is set to /usr/lib/qt3 |
| 02:40.55 | pipeline | fwiw39xx: No. |
| 02:41.01 | pipeline | fwiw39xx: There is, but not one that works reliably. |
| 02:41.06 | pipeline | fwiw39xx: If you value the data, don't. |
| 02:41.07 | abrotman | pipeline: there is .. but iffy |
| 02:41.10 | kyle__ | abrotman, doleyb: Oops. I tried MAKEDEV /dev/hdi and that didn't work..you have to "cd /dev;./MAKEDEV hdi" |
| 02:41.10 | abrotman | err .. damn you |
| 02:41.12 | SDFH_Linux | is gnome 2.10 part of sarge? |
| 02:41.22 | pipeline | !tell brainbug about privmsg |
| 02:41.29 | abrotman | kyle__: you mean hdi0 i houpe |
| 02:41.40 | Brainbug | oops! sorry :S |
| 02:41.55 | kyle__ | abrotman, um, no, why? partitions start counting at 1, besides I want just a plain hdi too |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | !tell pipeline about share the love |
| 02:42.15 | abrotman | kyle__: god .. it's been a long day .. you're right |
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| 02:42.27 | kyle__ | abrotman, hehe |
| 02:43.56 | jetx | no .10 isn't in sarge |
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| 02:44.02 | fwiw39xx | pipeline - i have the choice between putting debian onto my winXP SATA drive, or tossing in an old 7200RPM 20GB PATA drive and just installing debian on it. which would you recommend? my guts say put debian on PATA |
| 02:44.03 | jetx | .8 |
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| 02:44.18 | jetx | pata |
| 02:44.20 | spacelobster | are there directions somewhere for installing the sun's java sdk on debian? |
| 02:44.33 | jetx | run the .bin how hard is it |
| 02:44.53 | jetx | sun had good directions iirc |
| 02:44.55 | K_Dallas | spacelobster, /msg dpkg java-package |
| 02:44.55 | SDFH_Linux | is gnome 2.10 part of sarge?? |
| 02:44.57 | doleyb | spacelobster: ask dpkg about install java |
| 02:45.02 | Brainbug | pipeline: I'm reading the hotplug manual but I dont understand how it relates to the LAN drivers, i'm confused |
| 02:45.04 | jetx | sdfh i said no |
| 02:45.11 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 02:45.14 | jetx | no .10 isn't in sarge |
| 02:45.21 | SDFH_Linux | sorry didnt see the answer |
| 02:45.34 | jetx | np i didn't address it |
| 02:45.34 | pipeline | Brainbug: hotplug should detect your hardware on boot and load the appropriate driver. |
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| 02:45.46 | pipeline | Brainbug: try rebooting |
| 02:45.59 | wols | jasoncohen: how do you know comcast only supports smtp auth now? |
| 02:46.06 | jetx | no xorg will make sarge lame in a year maybe |
| 02:46.14 | Brainbug | cool, ill try that, thanks |
| 02:46.16 | abrotman | xorg will never be in sarge |
| 02:46.25 | abrotman | wols: that's not true .. i certainly don't auth |
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| 02:46.47 | bluefox83 | i can't even figure out how to get Xorg to compile correctly.. |
| 02:46.53 | pipeline | jetx, SDFH_Linux : xorg will never be in sarge. |
| 02:46.55 | abrotman | bluefox83: then don't bother |
| 02:46.58 | pipeline | bluefox83: Don't compile it. |
| 02:47.06 | pipeline | abrotman: You're reading my mind. |
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| 02:47.22 | bluefox83 | why not? |
| 02:47.30 | abrotman | because you're not able to ? |
| 02:47.31 | pipeline | bluefox83: "Doctor, it hurts when I do this .... " |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:47.32 | bigbill52a | i think that it was the xorg driver that caused my kde to crash in ubuntu |
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| 02:47.36 | calmofthestorm7 | what should QTDIR be set to? |
| 02:47.41 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 02:47.42 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. see http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07 |
| 02:47.43 | bluefox83 | i read the instructions, but i'm too tired to think straight.. |
| 02:47.49 | jetx | gee unofficial .debs |
| 02:47.52 | abrotman | bluefox83: THEN DON"T GOD DAMN DO IT |
| 02:47.55 | abrotman | god .. idiot |
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| 02:48.13 | pipeline | bluefox83: It's not like xorg has any new drivers or features (??) |
| 02:48.13 | bigbill52a | so i installed debian..and my ati drivers work fine...gl etc |
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| 02:48.18 | THUGbounca | hey- i wrote a shell script to addociate myself with my acess point- how do i add it to my PATH? |
| 02:48.21 | jetx | abrotman: how many times do i have to tell you! it's goddamn, not god damn !!! :p |
| 02:48.23 | abrotman | pipeline: not totally true |
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| 02:48.47 | bluefox83 | actually it has several new drivers and new features |
| 02:48.48 | fwiw39xx | question - what is the 2.6.x kernel that came with SARGE stable ? 2.6.?? |
| 02:48.52 | fwiw39xx | x =? |
| 02:48.55 | abrotman | 2.6.8 |
| 02:49.00 | wols | abrotman: jasoncohen said so since his mail doesn't get through (so he says) |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | with backports for security afaik |
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| 02:49.05 | THUGbounca | hey- i wrote a shell script to addociate myself with my acess point- how do i add it to my PATH? |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | wols: i guess they forgot to block me :) |
| 02:49.18 | wols | abrotman: but from what I see, it seems comcast.net port 25 is dead. so no auth issue |
| 02:49.42 | abrotman | i don't even have a comcast account .. just a comcast IP :) |
| 02:50.28 | jasoncohen | wols, how do i setup SMTP SSL authentication in postfix? |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 02:50.48 | fwiw39xx | question - i just typed "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6" and it gave me choices. i'm runnign this on a 32bit wintel machine. should i choose kernel 2.6.8-2.686 or 2.6.8-2.386? |
| 02:50.50 | jasoncohen | i don't see anything useful in /usr/share/doc/postfix- just a short readme |
| 02:50.51 | [Sess] | debian is going X.org? |
| 02:50.59 | abrotman | [Sess]: see the topic ? |
| 02:51.10 | [Sess] | oh my fault |
| 02:51.11 | abrotman | jasoncohen: there's a separarterate package for it |
| 02:51.12 | calmofthestorm7 | fwiw39xx: what processor? |
| 02:51.23 | fwiw39xx | calm - pentium4...like 2.8 GHZ |
| 02:51.29 | calmofthestorm7 | fwiw39xx: is it hyperthreaded? |
| 02:51.29 | abrotman | kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:51.35 | fwiw39xx | i think so |
| 02:51.37 | fwiw39xx | it' sa dell |
| 02:51.38 | calmofthestorm7 | fwiw39xx: then 686 |
| 02:51.41 | wols | jasoncohen: apt-get install postfix-tls postfix-doc |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | it's a dell .. heh |
| 02:51.43 | fwiw39xx | what is 386? |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | like dell matters |
| 02:51.48 | [Sess] | that sucks, I left Gentoo to get back to XFree86 and DRI for my ati rage mobility m3 (which I haven't gotten working still) |
| 02:51.48 | fwiw39xx | for pentium 3 and lower? |
| 02:51.49 | abrotman | fwiw39xx: old coputers |
| 02:51.51 | abrotman | no |
| 02:51.52 | jasoncohen | wols, well- it was working on two machines and then just stopped working today |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | for super old |
| 02:51.55 | wols | also in /etc/postfix main.cf |
| 02:51.55 | fwiw39xx | abrotman - it was free :) |
| 02:51.55 | calmofthestorm7 | fwiw39xx: I think 386 is general intel |
| 02:51.58 | abrotman | !686 |
| 02:51.58 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 02:52.01 | wols | smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes |
| 02:52.01 | wols | smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/smtp_auth |
| 02:52.01 | wols | smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous |
| 02:52.01 | calmofthestorm7 | fwiw39xx: so it would work, but not as fast |
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| 02:52.12 | witless | hi. i have debian installed on /dev/sda3. i just installed another instance of the OS on /dev/sda1, which found the one on /dev/sda3 and added it to (sda1)/boot/grub/menu.lst. however, it's still booting into the OS on /dev/sda3 (using the grub instance on /dev/sda3). how can i install grub so that it boots from /dev/sda1 ? |
| 02:52.15 | jasoncohen | wols, and i tried sending messages in thunderbird without using SSL or username/pass auth...it never connects |
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| 02:52.40 | wols | jasoncohen: however, I think comcast.net has mailserver troubles. not auth problems. translation: comcast hsa a shitty mailserver |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | jasoncohen: would you like me to try? |
| 02:52.42 | jasoncohen | wols, am i doing something wrong? |
| 02:52.45 | fwiw39xx | calm - so what is the diff between 686-smp and 686 |
| 02:52.53 | jasoncohen | abrotman, yes please |
| 02:52.59 | wols | fwiw39xx: SMP is for SMP machines (dual cpus) |
| 02:53.00 | gullyfoyle | smp is multiprocessor |
| 02:53.08 | fwiw39xx | :) ty |
| 02:53.12 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i don't think it's mailserver problems because as soon as i authenticate with my user/pass over SSL/TLS it works |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | jasoncohen: something is wrong on your system .. i just sent via smtp.comcast.net .. and using an earthlink FROM address .. and it went right in |
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| 02:53.52 | jasoncohen | abrotman, so, you didn't need to specify a username/pass or use SSL? |
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| 02:53.55 | abrotman | jasoncohen: but i did it with a MUA .. not MTA |
| 02:53.57 | abrotman | jasoncohen: no i dont |
| 02:54.05 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Becausy your a useless bitch? |
| 02:54.09 | jasoncohen | hmm... |
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| 02:54.52 | jasoncohen | abrotman, what MUA? i'm trying with thunderbird |
| 02:55.00 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: can i be your bitch ? |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | jasoncohen: evo |
| 02:55.04 | aliumalik | does the freetype package in sid have BCI enabled? |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | wtf is bci ? |
| 02:55.22 | wols | abrotman: remember, you're useless. so why would he want you? |
| 02:55.32 | abrotman | wols: everyone wants a bitch |
| 02:55.34 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: If you take my pager calls for me. Yes. |
| 02:55.36 | jetx | sex! |
| 02:55.46 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: do i have to do the work correctly ? |
| 02:55.56 | jetx | !sex abrotman and scarynetworkguy |
| 02:55.56 | dpkg | abrotman and scarynetworkguy is about 48% vegetable |
| 02:56.00 | scarynetworkguy | jasoncohen: http://www.yuki-onna.co.uk/email/smtp.html # This is what abrotman is talking about. |
| 02:56.02 | jasoncohen | abrotman, it just sits there at "connecting to smtp.comcast.net" i have it setup for smtp.comcast.net on port 25 w/o username/pass & no SSL/TLS |
| 02:56.07 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I never do. :) |
| 02:56.10 | aliumalik | abrotman, bytecode Interpreter |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 02:56.24 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
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| 02:56.48 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: heh |
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| 02:56.59 | Belboz | Hey all |
| 02:57.07 | Belboz | Got a quick qustion |
| 02:57.11 | abrotman | !lick scarynetworkguy |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | !ask |
| 02:57.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 02:57.24 | Belboz | how do you get Firefox to open PHP links from Thunderbird? |
| 02:57.36 | abrotman | Belboz: i think that's on the firefox website |
| 02:57.38 | fwiw39xx | question - does debian by default have the ability to mount NTFS volumes like knoppix, or does that need to be recompiled into the kernel? |
| 02:57.48 | jasoncohen | abrotman, jasonslaptop:/etc/postfix/sasl# telnet smtp.comcast.net 25 |
| 02:57.48 | jasoncohen | Trying 216.148.227.125... |
| 02:57.50 | jasoncohen | just sits there |
| 02:57.54 | Belboz | thanks abrotman, I'll check there |
| 02:57.55 | scarynetworkguy | Belboz: Buy it flowers and dinner? |
| 02:58.08 | wols | fwiw39xx: read only works fine. captive ntfs is available too. |
| 02:58.09 | Toes | Hey anyone: I remember installing debian as being hell... but people are telling me theres an installer, was one added recently or something? |
| 02:58.12 | bigbill52a | debian can mount ntfs volumes...do it all the time |
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| 02:58.23 | jasoncohen | abrotman, telnet smtp.comcast.net 465 works though |
| 02:58.31 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I'M STILL AT WORK!!! |
| 02:58.39 | bluefox83 | Toes, yeah.. |
| 02:58.49 | wols | Toes: debian sarge has a new installer, yes |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | jasoncohen: guess they hate you .. works just fine for me |
| 02:58.54 | chalenged | fwiw39xx: ntfs is moduled in 2.6 kernels.. |
| 02:59.00 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: uhm .. isn't it like . 8pm ? |
| 02:59.05 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yep. |
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| 02:59.14 | chalenged | fwiw39xx: read only of course.. |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you should be eating |
| 02:59.16 | Toes | thanks :D |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | !d-i Toes |
| 02:59.35 | dpkg | Toes, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:59.38 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Damn straight. Wanna buy some Warmdaddys for me? |
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| 02:59.48 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you get to philly .. it's a deal! |
| 02:59.48 | binaryc | I am bored , and angry ! someone give me a x.org install how to , and a beer. I am going to break shit ! |
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| 02:59.56 | abrotman | binaryc: don't |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | yay .. good how to! |
| 03:00.09 | GalaxC | hi |
| 03:00.26 | chalenged | !irritate binaryc |
| 03:00.27 | dpkg | binaryc: hi every1 who uses sound hello? |
| 03:00.30 | bluefox83 | binaryc, i'm in the same boat as you..i need a good howto |
| 03:00.36 | GalaxC | rtyty |
| 03:00.43 | abrotman | how about .. DON"T FUCK WITH XORG ? |
| 03:00.50 | fwiw39xx | question - what's the best way to repartition my winxp HDD to give it a FAT partition to share files with my debian on 2nd HDD? |
| 03:00.57 | binaryc | abrotman- if i drink enough of the beers i will get the transpaency and drop shadows i want ? |
| 03:01.01 | aliumalik | I am running X.org |
| 03:01.07 | aliumalik | working prefectly here |
| 03:01.14 | aliumalik | *perfectly |
| 03:01.22 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i'm going to try assisting with xorg being added to debian unstable.. |
| 03:01.37 | abrotman | bluefox83: then ask them for a howto |
| 03:01.44 | kyle__ | If you used gentoo, you'd have lots of practice at installing xorg... :p |
| 03:01.48 | kyle__ | lol |
| 03:01.54 | chalenged | bluefox83: if your at a howto level you probably need to read about 5 documents....before attempting.. |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | you mean compiling |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | !get xorg |
| 03:02.10 | dpkg | from memory, get xorg is Xorg is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled. Don't bother. No I don't notice any slowdown. You just need a good graphics card with OpenGL. |
| 03:02.12 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:02.23 | chalenged | alindeman: what OS? |
| 03:02.35 | rinc | xorg is no osx |
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| 03:02.47 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: save me! |
| 03:02.53 | chalenged | aliumalik: what OS? |
| 03:02.54 | bluefox83 | actually, from what i read, you can run x.org in windows O.O |
| 03:03.02 | aliumalik | "deb http://neo.wh-stuttgart.de/debian sid xorg" for anyone who is interested :P |
| 03:03.05 | calmofthestorm7 | sacralige |
| 03:03.22 | aliumalik | chalenged, debian sid |
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| 03:03.58 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you're my hero! |
| 03:04.19 | cTHUGbouna | hey |
| 03:04.25 | cTHUGbouna | hey- i wrote a shell script to addociate myself with my acess point- how do i add it to my PATH? |
| 03:04.29 | chalenged | aliumalik: isnt that a few versions or so behind?.. |
| 03:04.31 | Belboz | okay guys, I'm not seeing it on the Firefox website |
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| 03:04.50 | aliumalik | chalenged, 6.8.2 is the latest |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | Belboz: gnome ? |
| 03:04.59 | mwilson | aliumalik: Not particularly... despite what they think, even the cluebies won't die if they don't have Xorg. |
| 03:05.00 | binaryc | i really want to try x.org but when it breaks do i get to keep the pieces ? |
| 03:05.09 | Belboz | anyone know how to get a URL like: http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=210262#210262 to open in Firefox from Thunderbird |
| 03:05.15 | abrotman | Belboz: gnome ? |
| 03:05.19 | Belboz | KDE |
| 03:05.47 | abrotman | Belboz: i think you have to tell kde that you want firefox to handle urls .. what does it open when you click that link now ? |
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| 03:06.01 | Belboz | it opens Konquerer |
| 03:06.10 | fwiw39xx | question - what's the best way to repartition my winxp SATA HDD to give it a FAT partition to share files with my debian on 2nd PATA HDD? |
| 03:06.10 | aliumalik | mwilson, I only wanted to give it a try...so untill my next install I am with x.org :D |
| 03:06.28 | mwilson | aliumalik: "next install"? |
| 03:06.29 | abrotman | Belboz: might be able to ask #debian-kde |
| 03:06.41 | paulobear | well, I see that I'm in good company (he hopes! :)) |
| 03:06.49 | Belboz | k, thanks abrotman |
| 03:07.24 | paulobear | Was wondering if someone could help a relative noob w/a synaptic question? |
| 03:07.31 | bigbill52a | 32 gigs is maximum for each win 32 partition |
| 03:07.40 | aliumalik | mwilson, yep...my bro screws it up in a month or so :P |
| 03:07.40 | mwilson | Will you actually be asking the question? |
| 03:07.48 | mwilson | aliumalik: Not possible. |
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| 03:08.34 | aliumalik | mwilson, lol...he likes to tinker around with a lot of stuff....and i prefere a fresh install rather than repairing |
| 03:08.41 | bigbill52a | i use two 32 gig win 32 partitions...one for shared songs the other for old movies from prelinger |
| 03:08.43 | paulobear | Yes, it seems that I have entered a synaptic repository that has rendered the sources.list and vendors.list files broken. I can't seem to find them to (hopefully) repair them. |
| 03:09.04 | mwilson | aliumalik: So what? He doesn't have the root password... what can he do? |
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| 03:09.22 | aliumalik | mwilson, he has the root password... |
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| 03:09.36 | mwilson | aliumalik: And why would that be? |
| 03:10.30 | aliumalik | mwilson, he is obsessed with recompiling stuff to "suit" his own needs so sometimes ends up in a really really bad position |
| 03:10.31 | fwiw39xx | bigbill - how did you repartition your NTFS to give the FAT partitions? Windows Disk Management snap=in? |
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| 03:10.40 | bigbill52a | yes |
| 03:11.01 | bigbill52a | made 2 of them..but you can make as many as you want |
| 03:11.05 | mwilson | And he has the root password because...? |
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| 03:11.31 | bigbill52a | it will read ntfs and you can copy to your linux...but you cant paste into ntfs |
| 03:11.44 | Brainbug | question - where/how do I configure my network IP, mask, gateway? im using kde |
| 03:12.06 | mwilson | Brainbug: What would KDE have to do with that? |
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| 03:12.17 | bigbill52a | i use that feature to recover brain damaged windoze installations |
| 03:12.26 | chalenged | fwiw39xx: any reason you need ntfs at all? |
| 03:12.31 | unco | Anyone know of the curses program that let's you view current connections and processes (it gives a somewhat tree viiew with drill-down functionality) - I have used it many a time just can't remember the name... |
| 03:12.48 | Brainbug | i dont know |
| 03:12.51 | fwiw39xx | chalenged - i'm runnign win xp ...thus i prefer to keep win xp on ntfs |
| 03:12.52 | bigbill52a | windows xp....dont want too many 32 gig drives ...lol |
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| 03:13.24 | bigbill52a | some of my stuff..just applicable to windows...my business stuff... |
| 03:13.36 | mwilson | Where exactly did you get the idea that XP only supported up to a 32 gb partition? |
| 03:13.47 | sparr_ | is there a channel to talk about movies on freenode? |
| 03:13.49 | bigbill52a | win32 not ntfs |
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| 03:13.54 | jasoncohen | wols, what docs should i be reading to setup SMTP SSL auth on postfix? |
| 03:13.58 | chalenged | fwiw39xx: then your prolly going to need something like partition magic.....i run my winxp on fat32... |
| 03:14.07 | mwilson | And what is "win32" supposed to be? |
| 03:14.16 | bigbill52a | try to make a 33 gig fat32 partition...sorry bout that... |
| 03:14.46 | chalenged | mwilson: i can only CREATE 32 GB....MS crippled it to push ntfs |
| 03:14.48 | bigbill52a | you cant do it within xp anyways |
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| 03:15.03 | mwilson | Except they didn't, of course. |
| 03:15.06 | chalenged | mwilson: it can use whatever size you want tho |
| 03:15.19 | bigbill52a | and linux wont mount psuedo fat32 partitions.. |
| 03:15.43 | mwilson | Whatever "pseudo fat32" is supposed to mean. |
| 03:15.47 | bigbill52a | created by third party software that is |
| 03:16.03 | chalenged | no idea on pseudo, the msthing is right tho.. |
| 03:16.28 | mwilson | Someone remind me not to get into these sorts of discussions with cluebies, eh? Forget I said anything, you just go on and I'll watch. |
| 03:16.40 | bigbill52a | fat 32 partitions created by third party software...larger than 32 gigs.... |
| 03:17.00 | bigbill52a | psuedo fat 32...coined a phrase... |
| 03:17.17 | jetx | install windows on fat32, configure it like you like, back it up, then convert to ntfs |
| 03:17.29 | jetx | then you just untar it |
| 03:17.33 | mwilson | Yes, inventing your own terminology which no one else will know is just SO useful. |
| 03:17.40 | bigbill52a | but then you can only go one way.... |
| 03:17.42 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 03:17.58 | sbk | oleo32. hm, I'm starting to like this idea :-) |
| 03:18.02 | bigbill52a | you can copy to linux but cant copy back to ntfs |
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| 03:18.21 | buu | dpkg marillat |
| 03:18.21 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
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| 03:18.25 | bigbill52a | so what would you call it...? |
| 03:18.37 | jetx | but the image is fat32 |
| 03:18.55 | chalenged | mwilson: bigbill52a fwiw39xx: fat32 can as large as you want...i think these a 4 terabyte limit or something...MS installers /diskadmin wont create past 32GB.....latest xp versions may fix that but its a fact that its limited. A fat32 drive however can be created and use by it tho |
| 03:19.47 | ryan` | anyone know where I can get the partimage-server package? |
| 03:19.48 | fwiw39xx | OK GUYS - so i can use the WINXP DIsk Management tool to repartition my NTFS SATA to have a FAT32 partition to share files with debian on a 2nd PATA HDD? |
| 03:19.50 | bigbill52a | learn something new everyday.. |
| 03:19.54 | chalenged | mwilson bigbill52a fwiw39xx: something like aprted or fdisk can make it and resize fat32.....it cannot do ntfs tho.. |
| 03:20.04 | chalenged | aprted = parted |
| 03:20.12 | mwilson | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184006/ |
| 03:20.14 | fwiw39xx | chal - can't the WinXP Disk management tool reparition nondestrucitively? |
| 03:20.21 | jetx | no don't think so fwiw39xx not w/o backing up the data and deleteing |
| 03:20.49 | fwiw39xx | ?!?! |
| 03:21.01 | fwiw39xx | no way!! :( |
| 03:21.05 | fwiw39xx | lol |
| 03:21.17 | chalenged | fwiw39xx: nope its just fdisk in disguise.....you need partition magic for non destructive...or a similar app. |
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| 03:21.51 | ryan` | dpkg, partimage? |
| 03:21.54 | chalenged | fwiw39xx: just kazaa a partition magic then delete it...its a one time fuckabout but piracy is bad too... |
| 03:22.13 | fwiw39xx | lol chal - why get partition magic like taht? got virii etc |
| 03:22.16 | ryan` | kazaa is evil. |
| 03:22.17 | bluefox83 | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/xfree86-common exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) <---how do i fix that? |
| 03:22.32 | fwiw39xx | i don't pirate software...too risky nowadays |
| 03:22.45 | fwiw39xx | a long time ago it was fine...but now everything release has malware in it |
| 03:22.54 | mwilson | Oh, gee, you might get caught. </sarcasm> |
| 03:23.03 | chalenged | fwiw39xx: really i dont know i snapshow windows...my windows today is what it was yesterday regardless of what i did.. |
| 03:23.26 | Supaplex | !fuck windows |
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| 03:23.36 | Supaplex | good bot. |
| 03:23.39 | fwiw39xx | !fuck you |
| 03:23.39 | ryan` | wow. |
| 03:23.40 | Supaplex | I think.... |
| 03:23.40 | fwiw39xx | lol |
| 03:23.44 | fwiw39xx | :) ! |
| 03:23.46 | fwiw39xx | me so horny |
| 03:23.49 | fwiw39xx | $5 |
| 03:23.52 | bigbill52a | if you try to do something with the snap-in that will nuke xp...it wont let you do it |
| 03:23.58 | cTHUGbouna | !path |
| 03:23.59 | dpkg | somebody said path was the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
| 03:24.05 | chalenged | fwiw39xx HAHAHA.....1/7.6 million users online........they are flooding kazaa with garbage because they cant catch people in small use |
| 03:24.05 | ryan` | !partimage |
| 03:24.23 | bluefox83 | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/xfree86-common exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) <--how do i fix this problem? |
| 03:24.35 | bigbill52a | you cant mess around with the boot disk or the system disk... |
| 03:24.42 | cTHUGbouna | !mac dre |
| 03:24.43 | dpkg | it has been said that mac dre is a underground rapper from Vallejo, CA. He lived in the "Crest" neighborhood. He died in a drive-by shooting. Another cold-Crest creeper who would frequent Lenoard Street. He wore Nike shoes, Levi jeans, triple gold danks and straight lace 'cines. What it is? THIZZ is what it is. THE GAME IS THICK!!! |
| 03:25.00 | chalenged | fwiw39xx: anyways partition magic is actually a tool id keep around ... |
| 03:25.13 | chalenged | fwiw39xx just like knoppix etc |
| 03:25.22 | jim | how is that relevent to debian? |
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| 03:25.52 | chalenged | jim what bit? |
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| 03:25.55 | jim | oh I get it... mac dre was into the game... and debian has games! YEAH! that's it! |
| 03:26.06 | mwilson | jim: Cluebies always work around to how leet they are by stealing software, sooner or later. |
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| 03:26.23 | jasoncohen | abrotman, my power went out yesterday and i got a new IP from comcast. could that be the cause of my mail problems? the problem started today |
| 03:26.29 | abrotman | jasoncohen: i doubt it |
| 03:26.31 | bluefox83 | how do i fix a broken entry or stuck package in update-rc.d ? |
| 03:26.42 | bigbill52a | you would have more debian users...if you charged for it...lol |
| 03:26.53 | abrotman | jasoncohen: probably more with the fact you're trying to relay mail through them .. but what do i know .. you paid for it .. call thier support |
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| 03:26.56 | chalenged | mwilson: lol. |
| 03:27.18 | ryan` | damnit |
| 03:27.21 | jim | bigbill52a: oh right.... now THAT is something that's going to happen soon :) |
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| 03:27.36 | chalenged | mwilson: i think im excluded from the clubies statment...i own partition magic hehe |
| 03:27.36 | jim | Hey bigbill... got your checkbook handy? |
| 03:27.54 | mwilson | Sure you do. |
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| 03:28.03 | abrotman | mwilson: in the morning! |
| 03:28.22 | buu | Hrm. I'm trying to mplayer a video and I'm getting these weird horizontallines in the image |
| 03:28.29 | fwiw39xx | !mac 2pa |
| 03:28.30 | fwiw39xx | !mac 2pac |
| 03:28.32 | buu | It's like every otherline is displace slightly to the left or the right |
| 03:28.43 | fwiw39xx | i'm n00b, sorry. :) |
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| 03:28.45 | buu | Anyoine have an idea as to which options I might use to fix this? |
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| 03:28.48 | jim | fwiw39xx: relevent to debian? |
| 03:28.55 | fwiw39xx | 2pac used debian |
| 03:29.00 | fwiw39xx | until the day he was killed |
| 03:29.04 | jim | does he now? |
| 03:29.09 | fwiw39xx | he's dead, so no |
| 03:29.15 | fwiw39xx | but his mom afeni shakur does |
| 03:29.29 | Supaplex | fwiw39xx: so what kind of crack are you on? |
| 03:29.33 | bigbill52a | with a 20 character alpha-numeric code and a toll-free number for activation |
| 03:29.33 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:29.34 | jim | so he or she doesn't need help or something, do they? :) |
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| 03:30.07 | Guerin | buu: might be interlaced. |
| 03:30.08 | jim | Guerin, dpkg is becoming a fanbot :) |
| 03:30.22 | Supaplex | !cheer |
| 03:30.22 | dpkg | shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. |
| 03:30.39 | buu | Guerin: Well, it only happens when I'm fullscreen |
| 03:30.39 | jetx | !dpkg do the time warp |
| 03:30.59 | jetx | dpkg: let's do the time warp again |
| 03:31.15 | Guerin | fucking stop it |
| 03:31.17 | Guerin | you imbeciles |
| 03:31.31 | Supaplex | !kiss Guerin |
| 03:31.35 | jetx | !dr frankenfurter guerin |
| 03:32.03 | jasoncohen | wols, where do i add my login/passwd info so postfix can login? i already added smtp_use_tls= yes to main.cf |
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| 03:32.37 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: for virtual mail? |
| 03:32.40 | bigbill52a | bigbill52a crawls back into his psuedo hole |
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| 03:33.07 | jasoncohen | Supaplex, virtual mail? i'm trying to send cron-apt reports to my comcast email address |
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| 03:33.27 | Supaplex | ohh you mean sasl/smtp auth |
| 03:33.47 | Supaplex | right? |
| 03:33.52 | jasoncohen | yeah |
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| 03:34.17 | quicoju | hi! how do i shutdown debian with other account defferent than root? |
| 03:34.36 | jetx | ctrl alt del |
| 03:34.39 | jetx | in console |
| 03:34.40 | chalenged | fwiw39xx,bigbill52a so you know all of the XP and 2003 have 32gb limits to it seems on fat32....so partition it inside linux then add it to xp |
| 03:34.43 | simonrvn | quicoju: man sudoers, google sudoers tutorial |
| 03:34.51 | jetx | course that's reboot not halt |
| 03:35.19 | simonrvn | sudo shutdown -h now |
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| 03:35.35 | quicoju | simonrvn: thanks! |
| 03:35.54 | simonrvn | np |
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| 03:36.06 | jetx | you'll need to supply the path, it's not on $user's path by default iirc |
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| 03:36.30 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:37.01 | simonrvn | though i think sudo now sets the PATH to include sbin, but i need to check that |
| 03:37.10 | simonrvn | (build time option IIRC) |
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| 03:37.53 | FrFluffyBottom | Hey all, we have a mostly gnu/linux-based network, but rely on Windows 2003 for exchange. Is there a linux-based exchange alternative that anyone's aware of that'll work out of the box with Outlook? |
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| 03:38.23 | zyg | my computer has two systems "WinXP" and "debian",when i started the computer tody,i found that i losted the "winXP" option on the gnu line, how can i add it ? thanks |
| 03:38.36 | jetx | zyg: grub or lilo |
| 03:38.43 | zyg | grub |
| 03:39.07 | zyg | jetx: it 's grub |
| 03:39.10 | jetx | it's in /boot/grub/menu.lst but i forget exactly what to add |
| 03:39.15 | simonrvn | Frankablue: openexchange, with openldap and samba, and your MTA (samba 4 + oldap + heimdal will make a nice AD replacement) |
| 03:39.19 | jetx | i could tell you offhand w/lilo |
| 03:39.24 | simonrvn | Frankablue: sorry, mis-tab |
| 03:39.31 | simonrvn | FrFluffyBottom: openexchange, with openldap and samba, and your MTA (samba 4 + oldap + heimdal will make a nice AD replacement) |
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| 03:39.49 | zyg | jetx: is it the same? |
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| 03:40.09 | jetx | zyg: not afaicr but iirc there is an example in the menu.lst |
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| 03:40.51 | jetx | my grub stuff came out with duplicate entries, but did function |
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| 03:41.19 | jetx | you need to install grub-doc and do info grub (iirc) |
| 03:41.21 | jim | jetx: that's probably grub-update writing the menu.lst with dups |
| 03:41.27 | Guerin | zyg: just running update-grub might work |
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| 03:41.44 | simonrvn | yeh, update-grub isn't very smart with dealing with duplicate entries. a few 'dd' in vim fix it ;) |
| 03:41.44 | jetx | jim: yeah but it was me telling it to cuz i couldn't figure out how to do it right :/ |
| 03:41.48 | zyg | Guerin: i'll try,thanks |
| 03:41.48 | FrFluffyBottom | simonrvn: I looked at openexchange, afaik to get anything half-decent from it you need to purchase licenses though, which probably won't go down well (Basically, I'm fed up having to admin both linux and windows and want to kill our last windows machine... the moment more licensing comes in to it is the moment I get a 'no' from management) |
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| 03:42.18 | simonrvn | FrFluffyBottom: oh, i wasn't aware of that. what kind of licence? |
| 03:42.36 | jim | jetx: as always, maybe yoou can't now, but give it time with you learning how |
| 03:42.50 | zyg | Guerin: it doesn't work.. |
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| 03:42.54 | FrFluffyBottom | Basically, the open part of open exchange is a limited version of an alternative commercial version... stuff like outlook connectivity and administration features are available only in a licensed version |
| 03:43.12 | jetx | yeah.... if i didn't find lilo an easier simpler alternative i'm sure i'd be a grub guru (i mean how hard can it be) |
| 03:43.13 | jim | zyg: not paying it enough? |
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| 03:43.21 | Rockret | does anyone knows how can access one site with some .jsp using Konqueror ? |
| 03:43.36 | Guerin | zyg: so recreate it manually. |
| 03:43.58 | Guerin | Rockret: .jsp is server-side; browser compatibility shouldn't be an issue. |
| 03:44.00 | torgrimt_ | Rockret: jsp is serverside |
| 03:44.05 | jim | jetx: what's really nice about grub is you can boot into the grub shell and boot anything that's there even if you haven't arranged to boot it in advance |
| 03:44.12 | simonrvn | FrFluffyBottom: ah, i see. so basically shareware if you want the 'extras'? |
| 03:44.18 | simonrvn | bleh |
| 03:44.20 | Guerin | Rockret: if your browser can't display it then the site is broken. |
| 03:44.21 | jim | jetx: tab key == friendly resource :) |
| 03:44.27 | FrFluffyBottom | simonrvn: More or less |
| 03:44.30 | Rockret | torgrimt_: and what is it ? |
| 03:44.34 | simonrvn | that sucketh |
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| 03:45.02 | zyg | Guerin: i see examples in the "menu.lst" file,i will try to do edit it,thank you |
| 03:45.02 | Guerin | Rockret: nothing you need to worry about. Y~Yet another stupid proprietary webapp system. |
| 03:45.07 | simonrvn | though i'm guessing less expensive than a winbloze exchange licence ;) |
| 03:45.10 | FrFluffyBottom | Free software is really, really great, but it still sucks in the business connectivity area :( I am doomed to forever mess about with active directory and constant windows updates... |
| 03:45.11 | FrFluffyBottom | heh heh |
| 03:45.13 | torgrimt_ | Rockret: jsp runs on the webserver, and outputs nice html to your webbrowser. as Guerin said, if you cannot view it, they broke it ;) |
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| 03:45.19 | jetx | grub can hang out with aptitude |
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| 03:45.33 | jetx | in the repository! |
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| 03:45.43 | Rockret | torgrimt_: but It is necessary .. bank access .. strange with FireFox .. works .. |
| 03:46.20 | jim | Rockret: a .jsp doesn't necessarily need anything special... just means java is runnign on the -server- |
| 03:46.20 | torgrimt_ | that has nothing to do with jsp |
| 03:46.20 | FrFluffyBottom | Rockret: Maybe clear your cache? |
| 03:46.20 | simonrvn | FrFluffyBottom: apprarently samba 4 will have its own directory server (/me guesses based on openldap codebase) |
| 03:46.20 | jetx | ff & moz are really different. stuff does display differently |
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| 03:47.06 | jim | jetx: aptitude can be used just like apt-get I think... like: aptitude install foopackage |
| 03:47.06 | simonrvn | not that different, at least WRT CSS |
| 03:47.06 | doleyb | Rockret: maybe you can change the "Browser Identification" in konqueror setup |
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| 03:47.20 | jetx | accessing a 2wire router, the 'home page' icons are borked in moz but not ff |
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| 03:47.32 | jim | jetx: and apt-get is not complete algorithmwise... it was originally meant as a test drive of the library |
| 03:47.38 | jetx | ff works with php live chat but moz doesn't |
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| 03:47.41 | FrFluffyBottom | afaik, active directory is just glorified ldap |
| 03:47.44 | simonrvn | firefox has an extension to do the same |
| 03:47.58 | FrFluffyBottom | so maybe samba 4 will jsut provide extensions to openldap or something |
| 03:48.20 | simonrvn | FrFluffyBottom: not quite. ldap + M$hit extensions, smb-like crap, and kerberos 5 |
| 03:48.26 | jetx | jim: dselect > * for dependency fulfillment, proven by scientific methods |
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| 03:48.41 | jim | jetx: dselect is HORRIBLE |
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| 03:48.49 | jim | well, I think it is |
| 03:49.09 | jetx | jim: the selection screen is what you think is horrible, and i see your point |
| 03:50.49 | lrdMyren | crap, the #electronics bot is dead. |
| 03:50.49 | jetx | holy fuck |
| 03:50.49 | doleyb | more than that is dead |
| 03:50.49 | FrFluffyBottom | woh |
| 03:50.49 | jetx | i prefer irssi's method of reporting netsplits |
| 03:50.49 | FrFluffyBottom | aye |
| 03:50.50 | lrdMyren | i wish samba 4 would just find a REAL directory to integrate with |
| 03:50.50 | FrFluffyBottom | just a summary |
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| 03:51.30 | jim | when I tried to use dselect in the beginning, I tried to do what I thought were perfectly reasonable things, and dselect wouldn't do them... then, apt-get was born and made dselect barely livable |
| 03:51.32 | Rockret | ouch |
| 03:51.38 | Supaplex | i tink i'm lagg0red |
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| 03:51.44 | jim | here they come to save the day... |
| 03:51.50 | jim | oh wait, that' |
| 03:51.54 | jim | s Mighty Mouse |
| 03:52.25 | jetx | i've always preferred 'there's no need to fear, underdog is here' |
| 03:52.37 | jasoncohen | for exim4, after editing /etc/exim4/passwd.client to smtp.comcast.net:user:passwd do i need to edit exim4.conf.template for it to authenticate against the login/pass? |
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| 03:52.51 | jim | "There's no end to fear... needydog is here!" |
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| 03:54.33 | lrdMyren | if samba rebuilds the entire directory ldap / kerberos server i'm going to cry and scream |
| 03:54.33 | Rockret | does anyone use Konqueror browser here ? |
| 03:54.40 | lrdMyren | it would be such a torrential waste |
| 03:54.49 | jasoncohen | anyone know what "retry time not reached for any host" means? |
| 03:54.57 | lrdMyren | they really need to find some wya to integrate |
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| 03:55.29 | cheal | !tell Rockret about anyone |
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| 03:55.44 | bigbill52a | i use konqueror |
| 03:56.05 | wolaopa | i was directed to #debian-overflow on several attempts. what happen? |
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| 03:56.27 | orion | greeting |
| 03:56.28 | orion | s |
| 03:57.01 | orion | does anyone know why I wouldn't be able to enable dma on a plextor DVD-RW with hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc |
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| 03:57.19 | zyg | Gumby: i edit the file "menu.lst" follow the examples,and it does work.hehe |
| 03:57.21 | orion | it'll only let me burn DVDs at 1x which I think is because of the lack of DMA |
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| 03:58.16 | Epod69 | is there an audio wrapper i can use when launching apps to use esound ? |
| 03:58.23 | mwilson | orion: Does anyone know what error messages you get when you try, since you don't think you need to tell anyone? |
| 03:58.45 | mwilson | wolaopa: Tried actually reading the message that was sent to you? |
| 03:58.53 | wolaopa | i am trying to setup a email server on my machine. installed exim4. was asked a couple of q during the installation. how to know if the setup is complete? i noticed that exim4.conf is .gz file. i would hv thought that this should not be the case. |
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| 03:59.35 | jim | orion: you'd have to tell them more stuff... like what kernel, what make/model is the drive, what driver you're using.... in addition to which a history of what you tried and what the results were would be nice (I think you tried to give a partial one) |
| 04:00.00 | orion | jim: Operation not permitted |
| 04:00.06 | jim | orion: exact text of error messages is cool too |
| 04:00.08 | jim | hmm |
| 04:00.23 | jim | what device file did you use? |
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| 04:00.39 | jim | /dev/hdsomething? |
| 04:00.56 | orion | kernel 2.6.8, it's a plext px-708A, I'm using the generic ATAPI driver, dev file is /dev/hdc |
| 04:01.11 | bigbill52a | i had that problem with ubuntu...but when i switched over the dma was already turned on by the time i started xwindows |
| 04:01.16 | mwilson | You're not using the "generic" ATAPI driver, since there is no such thing. |
| 04:01.30 | orion | hang on, I'll look in my kernel config |
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| 04:01.50 | mwilson | Oh, gee, he built his own kernel. Now, how did I know that? |
| 04:02.11 | orion | whats wrong with that? |
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| 04:02.22 | mwilson | Nothing, if you know what you're doing. |
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| 04:02.39 | orion | well this is the only thing i'm having a problem with. |
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| 04:02.52 | orion | which was also a problem with the stock Debian kernel |
| 04:02.54 | jim | orion: what user are you doing it as? what are the perms on the device file? if it seems to allow groups (as evidenced by rw perms on the group), what group is it in, and are you in that group? |
| 04:03.02 | orion | root |
| 04:03.04 | Yo | Does Caffienated come to this channel? |
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| 04:03.31 | jim | Yo: the question to ask is whether he usually drinks coffee :) |
| 04:03.40 | orion | brw-rw---- |
| 04:03.43 | Yo | So he does? |
| 04:03.45 | stew | Yo: /msg dpkg seen Caffienated |
| 04:04.01 | stew | Yo: or maybe Caffeinated depending on if he knows how to spell or not |
| 04:04.04 | orion | root:cdrom |
| 04:04.10 | Yo | Hm... |
| 04:04.13 | jim | ok, so that shows it only allows the owner and the group to read and write |
| 04:04.26 | wolaopa | anyone can help to setup a mail server using exim4? |
| 04:04.39 | mwilson | And are you a member of 'cdrom' ? |
| 04:04.54 | jim | ok, so you have access... note for future: looks like you can put yourself in the cdrom group |
| 04:05.04 | orion | since I'm running hdparm as root permisions shouldn't be a problem |
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| 04:05.15 | wols | his problem isn't that he can't burn, his problem is that it only works at 1x |
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| 04:05.31 | wols | orion: compile the proper IDE drivers in your kernel |
| 04:05.38 | orion | yeah, I can burn, it just takes forever |
| 04:05.41 | jim | mwilson: he's doing it as root at the moment... which would rule out permissions as the current problem he's experiencing |
| 04:05.48 | bluefox83 | how would one know the difference between running xfree86 and xorg? |
| 04:06.06 | jim | orion: on certain channels, that would be a funny statement :) |
| 04:06.09 | Guerin | bluefox83: one would run them both and compare. |
| 04:07.27 | jim | bluefox83: diff the source code? |
| 04:07.28 | orion | where would the driver config be, device drivers/block devices or ata/atapi/mfm/rll support? |
| 04:07.52 | orion | jim: what would be funny? |
| 04:07.56 | jetx | one thing: they got the new sarge d-i to add ppl to the audio and cdrom groups (and others) automagically (when you create the user in the installer) which is a good thing(tm) |
| 04:07.59 | narg | If I put a mbr on a usb flash drive, and then put debian on it, can I boot from it? |
| 04:08.00 | jim | the mfm/rll is for really old drives |
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| 04:08.03 | bluefox83 | jim, no, someone gave me an addy to use that was an unofficial debian source repository |
| 04:08.23 | MobyTurbo | bluefox83: if you're not having problems with XFree86 running xorg is mostly the same. |
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| 04:08.33 | Dreamer3_ | how can i check the integrity of install files for a debian package? |
| 04:08.34 | wols | narg: that's no a debian issue, it's a BIOS issue |
| 04:08.36 | Dreamer3_ | i know there is a tool that does that |
| 04:08.46 | jetx | my western digital 10M rll hd still ROCKS |
| 04:09.04 | bluefox83 | MobyTurbo, actually..i can't tell if i'm running one of the other, i'm tryin gto find a way to see if i'm still using xfree86 or if xorg was installed correctly |
| 04:09.06 | narg | wols; I know the bios is capable of it, but is debian? |
| 04:09.11 | jetx | md5sum |
| 04:09.27 | jetx | yes it is iirc narg |
| 04:09.44 | wols | narg: if debian (or rather the linux kernel in general) can access the USB stick as a mass storage device, then yes. |
| 04:09.46 | MobyTurbo | bluefox83: then you seriously fouled up your system. |
| 04:09.57 | wols | the OS doesn't care where its files are as long as they are accessible |
| 04:10.16 | jim | narg: probably depends on the kernel (which you can always build if you want to... it's recommended too, but it's challenging to learn how) |
| 04:11.00 | jetx | i want to install my intel 2mb above board card on my current box, how do i do this??? haaaalp! |
| 04:11.09 | Dreamer3_ | anyone? |
| 04:11.17 | jim | what's a board card? |
| 04:11.19 | jetx | md5sum |
| 04:11.30 | Supaplex | *YAWN* ok, I think I'll kill -SIGSLEEP $$ and wait for that cron gland (pituitary) to wake me up later. zzZZzzzz |
| 04:11.33 | mwilson | jetx: Surely you jest. |
| 04:11.40 | jetx | jim it's for 8088's to emulate xms/ems |
| 04:11.47 | MobyTurbo | bluefox83: I think the command is X -version. man X |
| 04:11.47 | jetx | yes i jest |
| 04:11.56 | jetx | errr..... |
| 04:12.16 | jetx | emm386 made xms and.... |
| 04:12.23 | wols | jetx: does it still work with todays computers? |
| 04:12.47 | bluefox83 | X Window System Version 6.8.2 |
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| 04:12.53 | jetx | wols: it 'probably' would, but i don't see any real reason to try |
| 04:12.59 | jetx | given an isa slot |
| 04:13.08 | jetx | which i don't have |
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| 04:13.27 | softrat | EVERYONE: Screw CUPS! At least I can print with lprng!! |
| 04:13.32 | wols | jetx: the biggest problem would probably be to find a current mobo which still has ISA slots. some industrial PC guys still make them I think |
| 04:13.52 | bigbill52a | any suggestions for a lexmark 6150??? |
| 04:13.56 | jetx | my kid's boxes have isa, but not mine |
| 04:14.06 | jetx | lexmark, very proprietary iirc |
| 04:14.17 | MobyTurbo | ISA = idiotic standard architecture - not missed here |
| 04:14.20 | wols | bigbill52a: yes. buy a new printer. new ink for that lexmark costs the same as the new printer |
| 04:14.31 | jetx | i saw a lexmark printer at walmart for 32.95 yesterday |
| 04:14.36 | LiquidAngle | I need to make a local mirror of files that on are the cd's for apt-get install * |
| 04:14.58 | LiquidAngle | anything special required ? |
| 04:15.04 | bigbill52a | it is a good multifunction printer...but just use it in windows now.... |
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| 04:15.07 | jetx | yeah lexmark makes their cartridges non-compatible iirc |
| 04:15.22 | wols | LiquidAngle: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 04:15.29 | bigbill52a | a local place fills mine for 15 |
| 04:15.36 | MrJung | Dreamer3_, just start .... or like apt-file list any one |
| 04:15.46 | LiquidAngle | thanks |
| 04:15.47 | chalenged | LiquidAngle: why? |
| 04:15.56 | LiquidAngle | laptop ! |
| 04:16.11 | wols | bigbill52a: go to linuxprinting.org and look for your printer. if it's not there, try for the nearest lexmark one |
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| 04:16.27 | bigbill52a | thanks |
| 04:16.55 | LiquidAngle | no network access, yet .. |
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| 04:17.57 | jetx | i just read about it, don't own one anymore |
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| 04:19.00 | Baz | how can I get audio CDs to play? KMix says CD input enabled , PC Speaker is on. I can play .wav files from hard drive . my user account is member of audio, users & cdrom group |
| 04:19.03 | Dreamer3_ | MrJung: debsums is what i was looking for |
| 04:19.30 | MrJung | Dreamer3_, ok.. |
| 04:19.50 | MobyTurbo | Baz: use a cd player. |
| 04:19.59 | MobyTurbo | s/player/player program/ |
| 04:20.03 | Baz | KsCD shows correct artist/song info from CDDB |
| 04:20.07 | Baz | but no sound |
| 04:20.47 | MobyTurbo | Baz: try another program thne |
| 04:20.51 | MobyTurbo | then* |
| 04:21.11 | stew | or try another mixer and raise the cd output volume maybe |
| 04:21.17 | Baz | tried one just called "CD Player" but it doesn't work either |
| 04:21.18 | bigbill52a | Baz will your cd play in windows? |
| 04:21.23 | Baz | oh ya |
| 04:21.35 | Baz | the CD songs play here if coped to the /hda |
| 04:21.37 | orion | the only thing I'm seeing in the kernel tree for atapi is "include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support" which I have enabled |
| 04:21.59 | Baz | copied |
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| 04:22.24 | bigbill52a | so the cd will play in windows but not in linux??? |
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| 04:22.49 | Baz | ya I've screwed up some config somehow |
| 04:23.28 | MobyTurbo | Baz: are you trying to play the CD while its mounted? |
| 04:23.55 | Baz | is automount the default in Debian testing (Etch)? |
| 04:24.05 | MrJung | anyone knows a slidshow for the gnome desktop ? |
| 04:24.09 | Baz | I didn't mount it manually |
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| 04:24.46 | MobyTurbo | Baz: open up a window and type mount |
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| 04:25.27 | Baz | ok what do I look for here? |
| 04:25.54 | MobyTurbo | Baz: your cd device |
| 04:26.06 | Baz | nothing about /media/cdrom1 or /dev/cdrom |
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| 04:26.30 | Baz | if I paste it into #flood will you see it? |
| 04:26.32 | MobyTurbo | Baz: /dev/cdrom is a symlink |
| 04:26.51 | stew | audio cds don't have a filesystem |
| 04:26.51 | MobyTurbo | (and /media/* are mere mount points) |
| 04:26.53 | stew | they aren't mountable |
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| 04:26.53 | mborohovski | hey guys |
| 04:26.58 | MobyTurbo | Baz: OK, wait |
| 04:27.01 | mborohovski | quick question |
| 04:27.04 | mborohovski | when i run lilo |
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| 04:27.28 | MobyTurbo | Baz: I'm there |
| 04:27.36 | fwiw39xx | question - anybody here have recommendations for mobile hdd racks? i'm going to buy one to install in my PC and toss in an old PATA drive to run debian off of it |
| 04:27.44 | MobyTurbo | Baz: I am lagging a lot, so be patient |
| 04:28.02 | mborohovski | i get Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/cloop0' -> '/tmp/dev.0' |
| 04:28.20 | mborohovski | Warning: '/dev' directory structure is incomplete; device (240,0) is missing. |
| 04:28.22 | mborohovski | any ideas? |
| 04:29.03 | Baz | ok MobyTurbo , I pasted it... |
| 04:29.16 | mborohovski | ive googled around, but with no lyck |
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| 04:29.18 | mborohovski | luck* |
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| 04:31.12 | fwiw39xx | question - anybody here have recommendations for mobile hdd racks? i'm going to buy one to install in my PC and toss in an old PATA drive to run debian off of it |
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| 04:31.32 | wols_ | fwiw39xx: this doesn't seem like a debian question at all |
| 04:31.41 | _sbcl3 | is sarge's installation 1 disk or 2? |
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| 04:31.48 | mborohovski | anybody?> |
| 04:31.49 | vvviper|a | hey |
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| 04:31.53 | vvviper|a | what does the P in PATA stand for? |
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| 04:32.05 | wols_ | _sbcl3: it's anything from a 40MB iso file to 4 DVDs |
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| 04:32.06 | fwiw39xx | parallel (as opposed to serial for SATA) |
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| 04:32.15 | vvviper|a | ahh gotcha, thanks |
| 04:32.20 | MobyTurbo | _sbcl3: you only need 1, or even just the netinst disk |
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| 04:32.28 | vvviper|a | i always see people throwing those terms around, never knew hte P part :) |
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| 04:32.34 | _sbcl3 | wols: are the 4 DVDs just lots and lots of packages? |
| 04:32.47 | _sbcl3 | wols_: are the 4 DVDs just lots and lots of packages? |
| 04:32.49 | _atrus_ | sometime in the past month or so, gnupg broke. When attempting to sign/encrypt/list keys, i get a message: "gpg: fatal: can't create directory `/home/atrus/.gnupg': File exists". google failed me. suggestions? |
| 04:32.55 | wols_ | _sbcl3: yes. as MobyTurbo said you can install fine with one CD or a 40MB bare netinst iso |
| 04:33.23 | _sbcl3 | another question: for desktop work should i install debian sarge or kubuntu? |
| 04:33.36 | MobyTurbo | _sbcl3: unlike other distros it doesn't need to install from a whole bunch of CDs |
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| 04:34.05 | MrJung | _sbcl3, i like ubuntu for desk |
| 04:34.33 | wols_ | _sbcl3: it depends on the kind of desktop you want, for what purpose |
| 04:34.41 | wols_ | e.g. big organization or home use, etc |
| 04:34.45 | _sbcl3 | wols_: mainly development |
| 04:34.47 | _sbcl3 | home use |
| 04:34.50 | SiMatrix | Ok, I have been trying to do the network install. It takes too long. Which iso images do I need to install to a SATI? |
| 04:34.51 | MobyTurbo | _sbcl3: that depends on your needs, if you plan on using a lot of programs from the main repositories Debian Sarge is better, if you want a small amount of packages to be a version or so higher then *ubuntu is OK. |
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| 04:35.00 | SiMatrix | Pretty please |
| 04:35.18 | _sbcl3 | i want the latest of everything (KDE and its packages) |
| 04:35.40 | SiMatrix | For sarge. |
| 04:35.40 | _sbcl3 | i'll put debian elsewhere on my hdd and see how it turns out |
| 04:36.07 | bigbill52a | i couldnt use kde with ubuntu...it crashed my xserver... |
| 04:36.14 | MobyTurbo | _sbcl3: *ubuntu is not the latest except for those programs that are in their main repository. |
| 04:36.16 | mborohovski | help please? |
| 04:36.25 | bigbill52a | or vice versa |
| 04:37.07 | bigbill52a | this happened whether or not i had installed the ati drivers...it was a pleasure to get a hang on debian.... |
| 04:37.12 | SiMatrix | I almost have the iso image for the 1st disk. Should I get #4 also. |
| 04:37.15 | _sbcl3 | mobyturbo: so perhaps debian? |
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| 04:37.30 | _sbcl3 | (i'd imagine more stability -> better compiling) |
| 04:37.35 | torgrimt_ | anyone know if there is some kind of software i can use to create a macro for a ncurses program? ie, poress this butten do that,,, |
| 04:37.57 | mborohovski | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
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| 04:38.07 | bigbill52a | also..the dvd/cd burning was slow...but worked fine from the box in debian |
| 04:38.20 | Baz | which sound mixer would you suggest other than KMix ? |
| 04:38.29 | MobyTurbo | _sbcl3: well, what answer do you think you're going to get on this channel? ;-) |
| 04:38.35 | mborohovski | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 04:38.56 | mborohovski | "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file" |
| 04:39.03 | mborohovski | what the hell |
| 04:39.03 | mborohovski | lol |
| 04:39.21 | trave11er | mborohovski: initrd version does not match kernel version, or no initrd |
| 04:39.27 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 04:39.28 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 04:39.35 | mborohovski | trave11er: how do i fix that? |
| 04:39.53 | mborohovski | trave11er: ive tried googling it |
| 04:39.58 | mborohovski | but have just gotten confused |
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| 04:40.13 | trave11er | mborohovski: make sure that if you have kernel /boot/vmlinuz-a.b.c-blah, then the /boot/initrd.img-a.b.c-blah is used as initrd |
| 04:40.19 | mborohovski | 'tis. |
| 04:40.35 | mborohovski | checked that alreayd |
| 04:41.00 | wols_ | mborohovski: you having a custom kernel or debian one? |
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| 04:42.13 | SiMatrix | I am completely new to debian, I have tried doing a network install all day long. It is too slow. I can get the ISOs via bit torrent, but need to know which ones to get. I know I need the first one. But do I need #4 to set up a SATA system? |
| 04:42.23 | mborohovski | wols_: debian 2.6.11 |
| 04:42.35 | mborohovski | just apt-got an image |
| 04:42.44 | trave11er | mborohovski: are you using lilo or grub? |
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| 04:42.47 | mborohovski | lilo |
| 04:42.49 | _sbcl3 | does debian have good support for motherboard intel 10/100 proset gigabit LAN network cards? |
| 04:43.23 | trave11er | mborohovski: paste /etc/lilo.conf and output of ls -la /boot/vmlinuz and ls -la /boot/initrd.img somewhere |
| 04:44.19 | stew | SiMatrix: you only need to first cd. you should be able to find a mirror that is just or faster than using bittorrent to download |
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| 04:44.41 | SiMatrix | stew, well so far I have tried 5 or 6. |
| 04:44.43 | bigbill52a | the tds one is pretty fast |
| 04:44.57 | _sbcl3 | SiMatrix: the one on kernel.org is pretty darn fast |
| 04:45.50 | stew | SiMatrix: yeah i regularly get > 1MB/s from kernel.org |
| 04:46.01 | bigbill52a | it took less than 30 minutes..but the cable here is pretty fast |
| 04:46.33 | empty | So, this is irritating... why does my .xsession not get run? I am using a stock GDM and Gnome under Sarge |
| 04:47.13 | kyle__ | What is the difference between lvm2 and lvm10? |
| 04:47.19 | stew | 8? |
| 04:47.25 | gullyfoyle | harhar |
| 04:47.26 | caphuso | 1, actually |
| 04:47.38 | stew | heh |
| 04:47.48 | caphuso | it's lvm 1.0 vs. lvm 2.0 |
| 04:47.56 | SiMatrix | stew, where are the Sarge ISOs there? :( |
| 04:47.59 | empty | caphuso, no difference, one is in binary though |
| 04:48.08 | stew | SiMatrix: why not just netinstall from there? |
| 04:48.28 | gullyfoyle | they're equal ones binary (10) and ones decimal (2) |
| 04:48.40 | SiMatrix | stew: No way, I have had my fill of netinstall. |
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| 04:49.08 | cheal | can somebody advise on how to refrain from getting unstable? I know it will break my system, but... |
| 04:49.17 | empty | SiMatrix, netinstall is the best way, by a long shot |
| 04:49.23 | empty | cheal you are on sarge? |
| 04:49.28 | trave11er | SiMatrix: netinst cd is about 100MB and will allow you to complete the install of base system without network |
| 04:49.39 | cheal | empty: right |
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| 04:49.57 | mborohovski | http://pastebin.com/300122 |
| 04:49.58 | empty | cheal, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change all "testing" to "sarge" |
| 04:50.00 | SiMatrix | blast it, I have tried at least 15 different net install sorces, they are all slow :( |
| 04:50.03 | kyle__ | what? so the lvm2 and lvm10 packages are the same? |
| 04:50.03 | stew | SiMatrix: you realize it can't possibly be faster to download and burn cds full of packages that you don't need instead of just downloading the packages you actually need |
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| 04:50.06 | mborohovski | trave11er: http://pastebin.com/300122 |
| 04:50.17 | empty | kyle__, we are being funny, sorry |
| 04:50.19 | stew | SiMatrix: try mirrors.kernel.org, its not slow |
| 04:50.58 | SiMatrix | stew: ok |
| 04:51.02 | cheal | empty: hehe...nice try, but it was only a joke |
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| 04:51.20 | kyle__ | empty, lol...ok...I've been fighting with this server for days now...so, right, install lvm2, not lvm10 with the invisible "."? |
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| 04:51.43 | mborohovski | trave11er: any ideas? |
| 04:52.04 | SiMatrix | I still want to know which ISOs to download. I do not want to go through the net install while learning how to do installs. |
| 04:52.27 | Lordnazgul | net installs are apiece of cake |
| 04:52.29 | cheal | kernel.org seems to be making lots of fun changing the changelogs format |
| 04:52.39 | Lordnazgul | its just as straightforward as an iso install |
| 04:52.41 | trave11er | mborohovski: you did these /vmlinuz and /initrd.img links yourself, did you? |
| 04:52.50 | cheal | Lordnazgul: unless unless you use PPPoE |
| 04:52.54 | vvviper|a | in sources.list, shoudl i have sarge everywhere or stable? |
| 04:52.58 | Lordnazgul | point taken viper |
| 04:53.00 | mborohovski | trave11er, nope, apt did, but why, shouldnt they work? |
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| 04:53.06 | Lordnazgul | sorry cheal |
| 04:53.10 | cheal | vvviper|a: what would be the difference? |
| 04:53.14 | vvviper|a | i dont know hehe |
| 04:53.16 | vvviper|a | that's hwy i'm asking |
| 04:53.18 | vvviper|a | not sure about longterm |
| 04:53.28 | cheal | vvviper|a: what do you want longterm? |
| 04:53.35 | SiMatrix | I get 128 KBPS from the mirrors.org site. |
| 04:53.37 | vvviper|a | sarge |
| 04:53.39 | SiMatrix | Rediculous. |
| 04:53.39 | empty | stew, looks like 2 is the newest - try apt-cache showpkg lvm2 |
| 04:53.40 | stew | SiMatrix: the cd's have packages ordered by popularity (popcon.debian.org) so you only need the first and whichever have packages you want. the first one or two should suffice |
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| 04:54.12 | trave11er | mborohovski: nm, i was looking at the wrong machine here :-) |
| 04:54.16 | mwilson | SiMatrix: So you don't read the installation guide because...? |
| 04:54.17 | empty | vvviper|a, it will only make a difference when etch goes stable but I keep them all set to "sarge" or "woody" just in case |
| 04:54.23 | cheal | vvviper|a: well, you seem to know better than me about what you should have then |
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| 04:54.39 | vvviper|a | okay great, thanks empty |
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| 04:54.47 | SiMatrix | mwilson: Well how fast should the download be? |
| 04:54.54 | mborohovski | so trave11er, any ideas |
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| 04:55.01 | mborohovski | im at a loss |
| 04:55.07 | SiMatrix | mwilson: Should it be only 120kbs? |
| 04:55.16 | empty | mborohovski, they might not work depending on your install... is /boot a seperate partition from / ? |
| 04:55.19 | trave11er | mborohovski: hang on, i'm comparing with my setup |
| 04:55.43 | mwilson | SiMatrix: There's no "should". It's as fast as it is. |
| 04:55.50 | mborohovski | heh, alright |
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| 04:55.55 | empty | SiMatrix, it does all the DLing at once, go grab a cup of coffee |
| 04:55.58 | mborohovski | empty: no? |
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| 04:56.05 | stew | SiMatrix: i'm currently getting ~ 6000kbs from them |
| 04:56.08 | PyroSteve | hey guys |
| 04:56.14 | mwilson | SiMatrix: You talk like you have some sort of exclusive pipe from wherever you are to wherever you're downloading from. |
| 04:56.25 | PyroSteve | has anyone used a dvr card with debian ? |
| 04:56.38 | PyroSteve | I want to hook my cctv cameras |
| 04:56.56 | PyroSteve | any know any DVR cards that work with linux ? |
| 04:57.11 | lrdMyren | most any of the bt8x8 cards |
| 04:57.12 | empty | mborohovski, try switching it around in lilo to use the real /boot stuff- what kernel were you running and what are you switching to? |
| 04:57.17 | lrdMyren | higly recommended |
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| 04:57.51 | stew | PyroSteve: the hauppauge cards are easy to find and are well supported |
| 04:57.53 | mborohovski | well, i wasnt running anything, i just debootstrapped (since my harddisk controller isnt recognized by 2.6.8 [the sarge installer kenel]) |
| 04:57.57 | mborohovski | but im going to 2.6.11 |
| 04:58.03 | SiMatrix | mwilson: That is why I don't want to do the network install. It is too slow for my tastes. |
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| 04:58.36 | PyroSteve | stew and lrdMyren: thanks ! |
| 04:58.47 | coywolf | how to check what fs is on a device? /dev/foo ? I use fdisk |
| 04:58.56 | empty | mborohovski, make sure you have initrd support enabled... You compiled that frm source or are you on etch? |
| 04:59.00 | mwilson | SiMatrix: <sarcasm> Yes, by all means... it's certainly faster to download at least 650 mb, more than half of which you don't need, than to just download the bits you DO need. </sarcasm> |
| 04:59.03 | jetx | fdisk /dev/hda -l |
| 04:59.05 | trave11er | mborohovski: well, can't see anything obviously wrong with it |
| 04:59.05 | empty | coywolf, mount |
| 04:59.07 | jetx | that's an L |
| 04:59.19 | jetx | ah but won't give you fs nm |
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| 04:59.26 | jetx | wil give part type |
| 04:59.40 | coywolf | empty, suppose the device is not mounted yet, and you need -t to mount it |
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| 05:00.04 | family_ | Hey debian lovers |
| 05:00.06 | mborohovski | empty: im not sure i understand the question |
| 05:00.07 | fwiw39xx | hi fam |
| 05:00.11 | valdyn | coywolf: all you can really do is try fs 1 by 1 |
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| 05:00.18 | tarheelcoxn | greetings, family |
| 05:00.18 | mborohovski | also |
| 05:00.21 | mborohovski | maybe this is a problem |
| 05:00.23 | mborohovski | when i run lilo |
| 05:00.25 | mborohovski | i get |
| 05:00.26 | exobyte | will find . -type d -exec rmdir {} \; safely remove only empty dirs in . ? |
| 05:00.29 | coywolf | valdyn, but fdisk can tell |
| 05:00.32 | trave11er | mborohovski: can you run lilo -v and paste output of that? |
| 05:00.42 | mborohovski | yeah |
| 05:00.43 | mborohovski | hold on |
| 05:00.44 | empty | mborohovski, you said apt installed 2.6.11? |
| 05:00.45 | valdyn | coywolf: no, it can only tell the partition type ID |
| 05:00.51 | trave11er | empty: yes, he did |
| 05:00.51 | SiMatrix | mwilson: the current time to do the install from the mirror is around 2 hrs. I downloaded the first ISO in 30 minutes. |
| 05:00.53 | mborohovski | empty: yes |
| 05:01.04 | family_ | Are all you guys using 3.1? |
| 05:01.34 | empty | coywolf, mount should figure most out-- do you have a guess? cat /proc/filesystems and modprobe a few good guesses that aren't on there then retry |
| 05:01.35 | tarheelcoxn | family_: tsk tsk... no polls |
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| 05:01.38 | chalenged | gpart: guess partition |
| 05:01.40 | coywolf | valdyn, so how to tell what fs is on ? |
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| 05:01.51 | tarheelcoxn | family_: but no |
| 05:02.18 | sparr_ | im going for a record in offtopicness... |
| 05:02.20 | sparr_ | Has anyone here seen both versions (IMAX and Widescreen) of Batman Begins? Which one is cropped? |
| 05:02.22 | coywolf | empty, i'm design a new fs, which is sitting on multi blocks |
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| 05:02.28 | coywolf | empty, i'm design a new fs, which is sitting on multi block devices |
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| 05:03.09 | empty | coywolf, O_o Umm, have fun then. Be prepared for dpg to mock you some day, a la |
| 05:03.11 | empty | !reiser |
| 05:03.11 | dpkg | somebody said reiser was filed in my brain under "reiserfs". http://boudicca.tux.org/hypermail/linux-kernel/2001week19/0069.html |
| 05:03.34 | chalenged | coywolf: valdyn: gpart maybee?...its more a recovery too but itll tell you 8) |
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| 05:04.08 | chalenged | sparr: neither.... |
| 05:04.21 | mborohovski | http://pastebin.com/300127 |
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| 05:04.49 | mborohovski | trave11er and empty: http://pastebin.com/300127 |
| 05:05.06 | john | how come when i change sarge to testing, all the apt-get sources say not found? |
| 05:05.14 | kyle__ | I'm trying to install a package and apt wants me to insert the debian install cd...what is the problem? |
| 05:05.33 | wols_ | john: cause there is no testing repository (yet) |
| 05:05.38 | john | oh, okay. |
| 05:05.40 | trave11er | mborohovski: hmm, what is all this /proc/partitions vs /dev crap? |
| 05:05.52 | john | i guess that explains it ;P |
| 05:06.04 | Vladi_away | kyle__, check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:06.12 | mborohovski | trave11er: that was my original question as well |
| 05:06.14 | mborohovski | i have no idea |
| 05:06.20 | cheal | wols_: there's no testing repository? |
| 05:06.29 | wols_ | cheal: not right now afaik |
| 05:07.02 | kyle__ | Vladi_away, well that shouldn't be there...thanks! |
| 05:07.05 | cheal | dpkg: info dpkg testing |
| 05:07.07 | dpkg | dpkg: (Package maintenance system for Debian), section base, is required. Version: 1.10.28 (etch), Packaged size: 1847 kB, Installed size: 5636 kB |
| 05:07.11 | trave11er | mborohovski: which kernel are you running now? |
| 05:07.26 | wols_ | cheal: there is on ftp.debian.org. but it seems the mirror john uses doesn't have one |
| 05:07.28 | cheal | john: did you do an apt-get update? |
| 05:07.48 | mborohovski | well this is my lappy, running knoppix 3.9 (kernel 2.6.11) which is how im mounting the hd |
| 05:08.04 | Vladi_away | kyle__, comment cdrom lines then apt-get update |
| 05:08.20 | cheal | if his mirror doesn't have testing now, I don't think it will have anytime soon |
| 05:08.26 | trave11er | mborohovski: so how did you install your kernel on the harddrive? |
| 05:08.30 | trave11er | mborohovski: did you chroot? |
| 05:08.34 | kyle__ | Vladi_away, right :) |
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| 05:09.00 | chalenged | try using etch as the name instaed of testing..... |
| 05:09.21 | chalenged | the installer has that so maybe testing is depreciated in some way |
| 05:09.43 | mborohovski | trave11er: yes |
| 05:09.55 | trave11er | mborohovski: and this lilo run was from the chroot |
| 05:09.57 | trave11er | ? |
| 05:10.06 | mborohovski | yes |
| 05:10.19 | trave11er | mborohovski: and you mounted /proc once you chrooted into it? |
| 05:10.24 | mborohovski | indeed |
| 05:10.29 | mborohovski | mount /proc /proc -t proc |
| 05:10.40 | mborohovski | before i ran lilo |
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| 05:11.00 | trave11er | hm |
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| 05:11.26 | gullyfoyle | how do i mount my other hdds? |
| 05:11.32 | SiMatrix | I found the problem. I need to reboot my router. And not log back onto an IRC server where apparently some hacker started a DOS attack on me. |
| 05:11.35 | cheal | chalenged: I don't see why testing would be depreciated |
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| 05:11.48 | SiMatrix | And get another IP address via DHCP. |
| 05:11.59 | tarheelcoxn | don't we mean deprecated, folks? |
| 05:12.17 | mborohovski | this device (240,0) is missing thing is sorta scaring me |
| 05:13.02 | chalenged | cheal: i wouldnt either but etch is how the devs expect it nowadays.... |
| 05:13.08 | trave11er | mborohovski: yeah, i would say that knoppix kernel is doing some weird shit there |
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| 05:13.50 | chalenged | tarheelcoxn: i dont know but my words work for me 8) |
| 05:13.52 | wols_ | mborohovski: rescue boot from your debian CD. only way to install a bootloader |
| 05:13.58 | SiMatrix | I mean nothing against an IRC network, but it only takes one person to make them evil :( |
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| 05:14.08 | vvviper|a | how can i prevent resolv.conf from changing everytime dhclient renews? i have a custom dns server in there and want it to stick |
| 05:14.23 | wols_ | vvviper|a: change perms |
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| 05:14.33 | wols_ | deny writing to anyone |
| 05:14.38 | mborohovski | wols_: the problem is the debian installer doesnt recognize my harddisk controller! |
| 05:14.39 | mborohovski | lol |
| 05:14.54 | vvviper|a | good workaround |
| 05:14.57 | chalenged | mborohovski: in 26 also? |
| 05:14.57 | wols_ | mborohovski: then use a different debian kernel. what controler do you have? |
| 05:14.59 | vvviper|a | but is there another solution? |
| 05:15.00 | sciron | 2 issues: 1) I removed exim in favor of sendmail, yet dist-upgrade wants to replace it with exim, and 2) how do I 'unhold' a package? |
| 05:15.05 | cheal | chalenged: the developers? since when? |
| 05:15.17 | vvviper|a | must be a way to prevent DNS settings from being changed using dhclient |
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| 05:15.30 | mborohovski | chalenged: yes |
| 05:15.33 | mborohovski | 2.6.8 doesnt recognize it |
| 05:15.39 | sciron | vvviper|a, you can tell your dhcp server where to send it's clients' dns requests... |
| 05:16.08 | mborohovski | the Intel 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Controller |
| 05:16.23 | trave11er | mborohovski: ah, right! |
| 05:16.24 | bucky | vvviper|a, uncomment the appropriate 'lease' lines in cat /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 05:16.26 | chalenged | cheal: it's how the etch installer does it apparently from what someone said who used the etch installer....heresay but i use etch in my sources np |
| 05:16.28 | trave11er | mborohovski: no i remember |
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| 05:16.39 | trave11er | mborohovski: can you look up the pci id of this controller for me? |
| 05:16.56 | vvviper|a | ahh great, thanks bucky |
| 05:16.56 | chalenged | mborohovski: you using ata or ide or both? |
| 05:17.08 | bucky | vvviper|a, i think that will do it |
| 05:17.09 | cheal | chalenged: you mean what's in sources.list? |
| 05:17.10 | chalenged | ata-piix/pixx |
| 05:17.36 | chalenged | cheal: yeah.. |
| 05:17.44 | bucky | vvviper|a, i usually run pump and make an /etc/pump.conf telling it not to... if that doesn't work |
| 05:17.57 | mborohovski | trave11er: yeah, so i decided to use knoppix and debootstrap, and it seemed to work fine, until this now |
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| 05:18.08 | mborohovski | because knoppix was a newer kernel which recognized it (2.6.11) |
| 05:18.10 | mborohovski | hold on |
| 05:18.10 | cheal | chalenged: that doesn't convince me much |
| 05:18.15 | mborohovski | let me load knoppix and ill grab that for you |
| 05:18.44 | vvviper|a | bucky: alright ill give that a shot, thank u sir |
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| 05:18.59 | chalenged | cheal: convince you much of what...i wasnt convincing anyone of anything heheh |
| 05:19.26 | chalenged | cheal: i just offered up a possible avenue for fix....use etch as tesing for the name ... |
| 05:19.38 | mborohovski | trave11er: will an lspci do? |
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| 05:20.00 | mborohovski | chalenged: what do you mean? i dont understand the question |
| 05:20.03 | chalenged | mborohovskiL ata-piix /piix |
| 05:20.10 | trave11er | mborohovski: lspci -n |
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| 05:20.25 | chalenged | mborohovski: thats the driver for it...its in debian |
| 05:20.31 | trave11er | chalenged: i think we tried ata_piix last time |
| 05:20.35 | mborohovski | yeah chalenged, i know |
| 05:20.39 | mborohovski | we tried ata_piix |
| 05:20.41 | mborohovski | to no avail |
| 05:21.02 | chalenged | mborohovski: they are buggy...build a kernel....you will in 3 hours anyways |
| 05:21.19 | mborohovski | yeah, once i get this crpa installed im going to buidl a decent kernel |
| 05:21.22 | bucky | vvviper|a, if you run pump make an /etc/pump.conf with eth0 {nodns} in it |
| 05:21.28 | mborohovski | but i want to be able to get a debian system up on thsi thing first |
| 05:21.28 | chalenged | mborohovski: ata-piix/piix clash. |
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| 05:21.57 | chalenged | known bug.....fixed in a sarge installer somehow but it still dies if you do certain things |
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| 05:22.18 | vvviper|a | bucky: okay yeah ill try that now...seems like an easier fix that dhclient.conf |
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| 05:22.26 | mborohovski | chalenged: so what are you saying? |
| 05:22.58 | alan | are there any known bugs in gnome-panel/nautilus in unstable ? - that cause it to crash at startup |
| 05:23.06 | chalenged | mborohovski: if you lose one or the other in any kernel then hotplug screws up for all time with them....kernel build the only fix so far |
| 05:23.09 | bucky | vvviper|a, dhclient.conf has a line option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 05:23.21 | chalenged | mborohovski: build a kernel with them as built in rather than modules...the modules load badly |
| 05:23.27 | cheal | alan: is there any one in the BTS? |
| 05:23.33 | bucky | just uncomment and the lease { and the closing } |
| 05:23.39 | mborohovski | so youre saying its the debian kernel image? |
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| 05:23.46 | alan | cheal, BTS? |
| 05:23.56 | cheal | !btssmite alan |
| 05:24.02 | alan | oh.. the BTS doesnt have anything obviousl.. |
| 05:24.04 | chalenged | alan: gnome panel broken in unstable... |
| 05:24.08 | chalenged | alan: gnome 2.1 rolling in.. |
| 05:24.10 | mborohovski | trave11er: lspci -n just returns a bunch of bus addresses |
| 05:24.15 | bucky | vvviper|a, just uncomment those and type dhclient and see if it changes it |
| 05:24.21 | alan | I was looking at nautilus bugs though. |
| 05:24.25 | vvviper|a | bucky: okay i see that now...what about for a "search" domain ...i also manually add "search whatever.domain.com" in resolv.conf and it is also lost |
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| 05:24.48 | trave11er | mborohovski: yeah, looks at lspci and note the pci address of your controller, then match it against pci id in lspci -n output |
| 05:24.54 | chalenged | mborohovski: no im saying its the drivers when they load as modules with hotplug & discover.. |
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| 05:24.57 | bucky | vvviper|a, in the lease section uncomment option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 05:24.58 | trave11er | it should start with 8086: |
| 05:25.17 | bucky | vvviper|a, don't forget to uncomment lease { and } |
| 05:25.21 | vvviper|a | okay |
| 05:25.22 | chalenged | mborohovski: kernel version is fine....hwdetect code needed |
| 05:25.27 | bucky | vvviper|a, type dhclient |
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| 05:25.38 | Lordnazgu1 | anybody know of a decent skinnable multi im client for linux a la trillian. im currently using gaim but i would like something skinnable |
| 05:25.40 | mborohovski | do you wnat the IDE controller or SATA controller? (not sure which one, im assuming SATA) |
| 05:25.51 | trave11er | mborohovski: get both |
| 05:25.53 | mborohovski | chalenged: so the only way for me to fix this is recompile a new kernel myself? |
| 05:25.55 | mborohovski | k |
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| 05:26.10 | vvviper|a | bucky: done..it worked! |
| 05:26.15 | chalenged | mborohovski:both prolly...cdrom.. |
| 05:26.15 | bucky | good |
| 05:26.29 | vvviper|a | bucky: how about the "search domain.org" in resolv.conf? any ideas on that? i dont see anything regarding that in dhclient.conf |
| 05:26.36 | vvviper|a | for the local domain |
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| 05:26.49 | mborohovski | 0000:00:1f.1 0101: 8086:266f |
| 05:27.02 | vvviper|a | i also add that in manually to resolv.conf |
| 05:27.08 | bucky | vvviper|a, i don't think you need it |
| 05:27.09 | mborohovski | 0000:00:1f.2 0101: 8086:2653 |
| 05:27.10 | chalenged | mborohovski: yeah, thats all ive found in 7 hours...theres a bug report on it but they think it's isolated to dell servers...it's not its showing up morte and more now sarge is live |
| 05:27.13 | mborohovski | ide, and sata, in that order |
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| 05:27.49 | fwiw39xx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.04 | chalenged | mborohovski: the sarge installer has some magic in it which loads sata After piix and before something else....they have no realworld fix as of 8 hours ago. |
| 05:28.23 | vvviper|a | #supersede domain-name "fugue.com home.vix.com"; |
| 05:28.27 | vvviper|a | maybe it has something to do with that bucky |
| 05:28.44 | chalenged | fwiw39xx | does it matter......the connections aret changed...its justa mounting frame for a hard disk... |
| 05:28.57 | mborohovski | chalenged: forgive me for being retarded. but explain how i fix this. the sarge installer wont recognize my controller. how do i fix this? |
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| 05:29.07 | chalenged | fwiw39xx just dont buy something that looks like the connectors would break in 5 seconds |
| 05:29.27 | trave11er | mborohovski: if you have base system installed, you can boot from knoppix, chroot into it and build a new kernel |
| 05:29.33 | vvviper|a | bucky: that did it!! thanks :) |
| 05:29.37 | chalenged | mborohovski: ahh ic did you run sarge installer under 2.6 kernel? |
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| 05:29.49 | chalenged | mborohovski: ie linux26 at the boot prompt? |
| 05:30.17 | vvviper|a | just made it: supersede domain-name "my.domain.com" |
| 05:30.23 | vvviper|a | anyway..thx for your help |
| 05:30.54 | chalenged | mborohovski: if that doesnt auto detect probe it on alt-f2 terminal then swap back |
| 05:31.09 | fwiw39xx | chalenged - what about the fan cooling...some mobile racks have rear sleeve fan, some have dual front ball-bearing fans , etc |
| 05:31.12 | REDEAST | 大家好ï¼æˆ‘爱Debianï¼ï¼ï¼ |
| 05:31.18 | mborohovski | chalenged: yes |
| 05:31.29 | mborohovski | chalenged: i did. |
| 05:31.34 | mborohovski | we tried that. |
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| 05:31.44 | mborohovski | but to no avail. |
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| 05:32.23 | chalenged | mborohovski: then your only way is livecd chroot make kernel..... |
| 05:32.41 | chalenged | mborohovski: the main problem witht he chipset is there 8 or 9 versions also... |
| 05:32.50 | mborohovski | but why would the kernel image for 2.6.11 from apt not work? |
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| 05:33.36 | chalenged | mborohovski: you could try it...it didnt on mine but mine did work via sarge for a few days .. |
| 05:34.09 | chalenged | mborohovski: im on a 2.6.11-12 compile with them built in now.. |
| 05:34.23 | mborohovski | chalenged: i did try it. thats what its trying to run now |
| 05:34.27 | mborohovski | and its giving this error |
| 05:34.41 | chalenged | mborohovski: the image will work it just wont boot hehe |
| 05:34.45 | mborohovski | i dont know where this /dev and /proc crap is coming from |
| 05:34.49 | mborohovski | lol |
| 05:34.51 | trave11er | mborohovski: ok, the ide chip should be supported by piix driver |
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| 05:35.01 | mborohovski | ata_piix? |
| 05:35.06 | trave11er | no |
| 05:35.08 | trave11er | just piix |
| 05:35.11 | mborohovski | hrm. |
| 05:35.14 | mborohovski | freking ay |
| 05:35.16 | chalenged | ill find the bug details... |
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| 05:35.30 | trave11er | and it is not listed in the discover database, so installer does not find it or something |
| 05:35.59 | trave11er | mborohovski: so: boot the installer, get into a shell, rmmod ata_piix; modprobe piix |
| 05:36.05 | trave11er | if it is not already loaded |
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| 05:36.24 | trave11er | that should give the ide mode |
| 05:36.28 | trave11er | i hope |
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| 05:38.03 | chalenged | fwiw39xx: metal frames normally remove the need for fans etc....sorry missed msg |
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| 05:38.37 | mborohovski | piix is already loaded |
| 05:39.15 | spektr | mborohovski: insert the piix module as first line into /etc/modules and reboot. the problem may be that the generic ide module is loaded before the piix |
| 05:40.10 | mborohovski | how do i remove a module once its loaded |
| 05:40.14 | mborohovski | just unload it? |
| 05:40.17 | trave11er | mborohovski: rmmod |
| 05:40.22 | mborohovski | non-existent |
| 05:40.23 | mborohovski | -.- |
| 05:40.27 | mborohovski | at least no in the installer |
| 05:40.31 | chalenged | modprobe -r module |
| 05:40.34 | vvviper|a | uh oh..a molester from tampa bay, FL..waht's new? lol |
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| 05:41.04 | spektr | mborohovski: try what I suggested - rmmod / modprobe does not work if I'm right |
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| 05:41.28 | mborohovski | alright, hold on |
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| 05:42.11 | mborohovski | so load up knoppix, chroot, add piix as first line to /etc/modules, and reboot and try to load from hd? |
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| 05:42.21 | trave11er | mborohovski: no |
| 05:42.32 | chalenged | knoppix live cd ? |
| 05:42.34 | trave11er | that would not get you anywhere |
| 05:42.51 | mborohovski | ...then what is spektr saying? |
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| 05:43.04 | spektr | mborohovski: maybe I don't understand your problem |
| 05:43.14 | chalenged | mborohovski: your booting via a live cd yeah? |
| 05:43.15 | spektr | mborohovski: can't you boot at all? |
| 05:43.23 | mborohovski | spektr: no. |
| 05:43.33 | spektr | mborohovski: then forget what I said... sorry. |
| 05:43.41 | mborohovski | chalenged: well, i get a kernel panic when i boot from hd |
| 05:43.41 | chalenged | spektr: sarge installer no see HDD controllers |
| 05:43.51 | mborohovski | so right now im booting from livecd |
| 05:43.58 | trave11er | mborohovski: what i would like you to do is to boot the installer, immediately start a shell, without letting it do any hw detection |
| 05:44.07 | trave11er | modprobe piix |
| 05:44.14 | trave11er | and see if it produce anything |
| 05:44.15 | mborohovski | oh |
| 05:44.17 | mborohovski | hmm |
| 05:44.18 | mborohovski | hold on |
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| 05:44.26 | trave11er | in dmesg |
| 05:44.43 | trave11er | start the installer with 2.6 kernel, that is |
| 05:44.44 | chalenged | mborohovski: out of curiosity kernel panic implies a linux OS...are you upgradeing to sarge? |
| 05:45.00 | mborohovski | im installing sarge |
| 05:45.03 | mborohovski | or attempting to |
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| 05:45.18 | mborohovski | not upgrading, but installing for the first time on this box |
| 05:45.46 | mborohovski | trave11er: so hold on |
| 05:45.53 | chalenged | mborohovski: bood from hdd doesnt kernel panic then yah...it just doesnt have an OS or is windows or something? |
| 05:46.02 | binaryc | my debian menu in my gnome menu is a real mess, i have entries for applications that i removed and double entries for almost everything, how do i fix that up ? |
| 05:46.07 | tarzeau | resiak: pong |
| 05:46.24 | trave11er | chalenged: he tried installing, it won't detect, so he booted from knoppix and debootstrapped it by hand |
| 05:46.32 | chalenged | binaryc man menu...i think its menu-update |
| 05:46.34 | trave11er | on hw |
| 05:46.36 | mborohovski | yeah, i just debootstrapped it |
| 05:46.42 | trave11er | on hdd, that is |
| 05:46.54 | chalenged | trave11er: ahh i c np..missed the debootstrapped bit in all the convo hehe |
| 05:47.04 | mborohovski | trave11er, so i modprobed piix |
| 05:47.06 | mborohovski | rna dmesg |
| 05:47.08 | mborohovski | nothing new |
| 05:47.14 | binaryc | chalenged- tried "update-menus" and no luck, i think the debian menu entries are something seperate from the gnome menus |
| 05:47.23 | trave11er | and it's only piix which is loaded? |
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| 05:47.29 | mborohovski | yup |
| 05:47.36 | trave11er | and /dev/disks is empty? |
| 05:47.42 | trave11er | err, /dev/discs |
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| 05:48.07 | chalenged | binaryc: yeah they are a program called menu 8) |
| 05:48.19 | chalenged | apt-get install menu |
| 05:48.39 | mborohovski | doesnt exist |
| 05:48.53 | chalenged | trave11er: thats normal...probe ide-disk ide-cd also |
| 05:49.16 | trave11er | chalenged: hm, wouldn't those get pulled in by piix? |
| 05:49.28 | trave11er | mborohovski: try what chalenged said |
| 05:49.41 | chalenged | trave11er: nope hehe hotplug normally finds them |
| 05:49.50 | mborohovski | ... |
| 05:49.54 | mborohovski | let me reboot |
| 05:50.10 | chalenged | modprobe ide-disk ide-cd also |
| 05:50.25 | trave11er | i wonder if order matters here |
| 05:50.25 | mborohovski | so before it does anything, as in, when it asks me for language |
| 05:50.37 | mborohovski | i will modprobe ide-disk ide-cd piix? |
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| 05:50.49 | trave11er | mborohovski: yeah, i guess |
| 05:50.56 | binaryc | chalenged: i have menu and i just read through the man page i am unsure if it is a menu problem or something else causing the doubled and old entries |
| 05:50.57 | trave11er | or some permutation thereof :-) |
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| 05:51.02 | chalenged | yah after piix is laoded |
| 05:51.27 | mborohovski | now what? |
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| 05:51.39 | aedwards | Hello, who can a tell what version of spamassassin is installed from perl? |
| 05:51.42 | trave11er | mborohovski: check dmesg and /dev/discs |
| 05:51.58 | chalenged | binaryc: you may be able to reinstall it and update to current rather than trying to backtrack... |
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| 05:52.21 | chalenged | aedwards: what package name was spam assasin? |
| 05:53.08 | mborohovski | like |
| 05:53.09 | mborohovski | at all |
| 05:53.58 | chalenged | mborohovski you should have either /dev/discs now or /dev/hda?? |
| 05:54.10 | chalenged | mborohovski you should have either /dev/discs now or /dev/hda?? |
| 05:54.14 | chalenged | gah lag |
| 05:54.28 | trave11er | installer will not have /dev/hda |
| 05:54.34 | trave11er | it uses devfs |
| 05:54.43 | trave11er | something like /dev/discs/disc0 |
| 05:54.48 | aedwards | I installed version 2.2 from woody with apt-get but I might have upgraded it with the install of other perl packages...I just want to check the version that perl detects..since dpkg probably won't give me the right version |
| 05:54.51 | mborohovski | all i have in dev is |
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| 05:55.02 | chalenged | trave11er: i only used the installer 5 months ago or something |
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| 05:55.22 | mborohovski | console, fb, full, ide, input, kmem, kmsg, mem, null, port, ptmx, pts, pty, random, rd, root, root.old, shm, tts, tty, urandom, usb, vc, vcc, zero |
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| 05:55.50 | chalenged | aedwards: spamassasin shouldnt change due to perl.. |
| 05:56.26 | chalenged | !find spamassassin woody |
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| 05:56.43 | chalenged | !search spamassassin woody |
| 05:56.54 | aedwards | I figured it out...just issue..spamassassin -V |
| 05:56.58 | trave11er | mborohovski: ok, final thing... you don't have some option in the bios to put sata into ide mode or somesuch? |
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| 05:57.12 | chalenged | hmm |
| 05:57.58 | chalenged | aedwards: hehe should have clicked to that one hehe |
| 05:58.14 | mborohovski | nope |
| 05:58.23 | chalenged | ok im off for a while....swapping lcoations hehe |
| 05:58.24 | Coke | I have secure ON for my registered nick, yet every morning I have to recover and release my nick because someone else has it. Can't this be stopped? |
| 05:58.36 | trave11er | mborohovski: oh well... i don't know then |
| 05:58.40 | trave11er | mborohovski: sorry dude |
| 05:58.44 | jm_ | Coke: automate it? |
| 05:58.54 | chalenged | mborohovski: sata raid disabled? |
| 05:59.16 | mborohovski | dont have raid |
| 05:59.17 | mborohovski | gahh |
| 05:59.20 | trave11er | mborohovski: the best option i can offer then is to boot with knoppix, chroot and build a custom kernel |
| 05:59.20 | mborohovski | this is enough for tonight |
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| 05:59.25 | mborohovski | my brainis mush. |
| 05:59.31 | mborohovski | i will probably do that tomorrow. |
| 05:59.35 | mborohovski | that way ill know whats in it. |
| 05:59.38 | mborohovski | heres my question |
| 05:59.41 | mborohovski | after i make bzImage |
| 05:59.42 | trave11er | mborohovski: good luck |
| 05:59.43 | chalenged | karsten: hehehe yeah E S L |
| 05:59.46 | mborohovski | how do i get this initrd file? |
| 05:59.47 | Coke | jm_: I can't be sure whether or not someone has actualy stolen the nick during the night or not |
| 05:59.51 | trave11er | mborohovski: use make-kpkg |
| 05:59.58 | mborohovski | hows that? |
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| 06:00.00 | trave11er | mborohovski: and don't use initrd |
| 06:00.07 | mborohovski | make-kpkg?? |
| 06:00.16 | trave11er | mborohovski: make-kpkg is the debian thing for building kernels |
| 06:00.17 | Coke | mborohovski: you don't need initrd if you're compiling your own kernel. |
| 06:00.21 | trave11er | comes from kernel-package |
| 06:00.31 | mborohovski | so how do i do this? |
| 06:00.33 | jm_ | Coke: well in that case your client would get the wanted nick |
| 06:00.36 | sep | Coke: i guess i'd ask in #freenode for that |
| 06:00.38 | linuxnwb | need help... |
| 06:00.41 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good html2xml for linux |
| 06:00.44 | chalenged | !kpgk |
| 06:00.46 | Coke | sep: yep. |
| 06:00.50 | trave11er | mborohovski: once you chroot, do apt-get install build-essential kernel-package |
| 06:00.52 | chalenged | !kpkg |
| 06:00.52 | dpkg | well, kpkg is a KDE package manager designed for handling RPM files, but can also somewhat handle debs. If you're looking for kernel-package ask me about that instead |
| 06:01.10 | trave11er | mborohovski: then read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README |
| 06:01.11 | linuxnwb | how do i access my formated C: ? |
| 06:01.24 | chalenged | bah im going dislexic 8( |
| 06:01.38 | mborohovski | okay |
| 06:01.42 | mborohovski | if i wanted to do it the old way |
| 06:01.42 | mborohovski | ala |
| 06:01.49 | mborohovski | make dep modules modules_install bzImage |
| 06:01.54 | mborohovski | how would i get the initrd? |
| 06:02.00 | linuxnwb | i formated my HD on my other compy (of course) an' now i can't access it thru my boot disk |
| 06:02.12 | trave11er | mborohovski: if you are building a custom kernel, you don't need it |
| 06:02.40 | linuxnwb | i'm trying to put linux on it... |
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| 06:02.54 | sep | linuxnwb: your boot disk dont understand your partitions filesystem ? |
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| 06:03.08 | sep | you quitter :P |
| 06:03.24 | trave11er | mborohovski: but in general you would probably need to use mkinitrd |
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| 06:04.11 | Coke | hm. is it just me or is there a fresh supply of newbs installing gnu for the first time here lately? |
| 06:04.13 | BlueShift | mborohovski: initrd is used for loading modules that you need to boot up the system. if you're making a custom kernel, it's better to just compile them in the kernel itself. :) |
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| 06:09.45 | empty | Coke, sarge going stable hit slashdot |
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| 06:09.57 | Coke | could be. |
| 06:10.16 | empty | Coke, *is*, it was posted there before it was on a few Debian sites |
| 06:10.44 | sobersabre | guys... which keyboard model shall i use for my laptop ? ( it has Fn key, overall 88 keys.) |
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| 06:11.14 | empty | US104 works mostly if you want func keys to work right though you may need to do some black magic |
| 06:11.32 | sobersabre | empty, which magic ? |
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| 06:11.45 | sobersabre | map keys manually and make my own layout ? |
| 06:11.55 | empty | sobersabre, weird input pads/clit mice in X, ACPI... |
| 06:12.27 | empty | sobersabre, check out linux-on-laptops.com and look for your model |
| 06:12.38 | empty | sobersabre, What is it anyway? |
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| 06:12.50 | sobersabre | hm... i have tried "suspend" combination, and it worked... the machine suspended... not matter that it doesn't resume from it properly, :) |
| 06:12.58 | sobersabre | LG-LS50A |
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| 06:13.27 | empty | sobersabre, probably video, check that site- there are many many people there that have owned a great many laptops |
| 06:14.35 | sobersabre | hmm... been there 4-5 months ago. |
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| 06:15.31 | rhalff | hi is there a way to autoconfigure a kernel, based on what can be found with lspci and information in /proc etc. ? |
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| 06:15.53 | rhalff | instead of me having to do that and click the options when configuring the kernel. |
| 06:16.04 | empty | sobersabre, haha I had no idea who made that so I googled just the model and got this: http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive42-2004-12-123639.html as hit 3 |
| 06:16.33 | binaryc | where do the entries in the debian sub menu of the gnome menu come from ? |
| 06:17.13 | ugly | binaryc: generated by the 'menu' program |
| 06:17.35 | _root_ | can someone display the o/p of PATH |
| 06:17.58 | binaryc | ugly- so menu-update should fix all the ugly (i had to) duplicates and what not i have in the debian sub menu |
| 06:18.20 | ugly | binaryc: I only know of a update-menus command |
| 06:18.36 | binaryc | that is what i meant |
| 06:18.47 | empty | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 06:18.57 | ugly | I don't know how it works in entirety - you might want to check out the man page for update-menus |
| 06:19.03 | ugly | packages place menu files in /usr/lib/menu/ |
| 06:19.46 | empty | _root_ that's for you, for your normal account (_user_?) you can slice out the sbin ones or leave them |
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| 06:20.14 | empty | ugly, ITYM /var/lib... |
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| 06:20.45 | ugly | there is a /var/lib/menu-xdg/ and a /usr/lib/menu/ - I dunno the difference :P |
| 06:21.02 | _root_ | empty : i have to compare with some other distro.. so pls send both root and other users |
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| 06:21.45 | empty | _root_, slice the sbins out then and that's it |
| 06:21.51 | nvz | I think they excessivly packaged this new hd I bought, its in an antistatic bag inside a clear plastic container, housed within a black plastic crate, inside a black cardboard box, that had a white cardboard sleve over it and shrink wrapped in clear plastic |
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| 06:21.57 | bisquit | Good morning. I'm getting slightly disappointed to my Woody (mainly it's backports), and drooling after Sarge (mainly it's packages, respectfully) - and my question is: What might be the possible traps to be aware of if/when upgrading? |
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| 06:22.12 | empty | nvz, japanese? |
| 06:22.32 | _root_ | empty : i am using redhat and i want to know what is the priority for debian |
| 06:22.35 | empty | bisquit, desktop or server? |
| 06:22.42 | nvz | empty: nope its made in USA |
| 06:23.03 | empty | nvz, whoa... Union! |
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| 06:23.07 | Mozo | hi |
| 06:23.24 | bisquit | empty, desktop for me, server for others. :P |
| 06:23.29 | Mozo | I get an error compiling pango-1.8.1 |
| 06:23.31 | Mozo | :( |
| 06:23.59 | Mozo | anybody can help me? |
| 06:24.01 | streuner | !find pango |
| 06:24.03 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'pango' (6): libpango1-ruby ;; libpango1.0-0 ;; libpango1.0-common ;; libpango1.0-dbg ;; libpango1.0-dev ;; libpango1.0-doc. |
| 06:24.24 | empty | bisquit, it can get flaky on servers if youve customized a lot |
| 06:24.26 | Mozo | streuner i need 1.8.* :P |
| 06:24.34 | sobersabre | empty, guess this is my model ... :) |
| 06:24.34 | sobersabre | it doesn't look like a solution though.. |
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| 06:24.56 | Mozo | -> /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/freetype.h:20:2: #error "`ft2build.h' hasn't been included yet!" |
| 06:25.01 | JeffH | what's the dpkg option to remove the downloaded .deb files? |
| 06:25.03 | Mozo | is the start of the error |
| 06:25.04 | empty | sobersabre, But it is a start, more information to piece together |
| 06:25.12 | empty | JeffH, apt-get clean |
| 06:25.16 | jm_ | JeffH: man apt-get |
| 06:25.19 | JeffH | thanks. |
| 06:25.23 | Mozo | !find pango |
| 06:25.25 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'pango' (6): libpango1-ruby ;; libpango1.0-0 ;; libpango1.0-common ;; libpango1.0-dbg ;; libpango1.0-dev ;; libpango1.0-doc. |
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| 06:25.41 | nvz | JeffH: A little secret between you and me... dpkg doesnt download any .deb files |
| 06:25.48 | empty | Mozo, you have freeype-dev installed? |
| 06:25.55 | bisquit | empty, ok thanks. Well I haven't customized all that much... So I take that as a "if you take backups you should be relatively safe" ;) |
| 06:25.55 | Mozo | hm |
| 06:25.59 | Mozo | i unknown |
| 06:26.07 | Mozo | !find freetype-dev |
| 06:26.13 | empty | bisquit, yes but be prepared to do some config changes |
| 06:26.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'freetype-dev' returned no results. |
| 06:26.23 | Mozo | !find freeype |
| 06:26.24 | Mozo | hehe |
| 06:26.24 | empty | bisquit, definitely a middle of the night thing |
| 06:26.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'freeype' returned no results. |
| 06:26.59 | bisquit | Upgrading over-writes current configurations? Eeps. Aye. Definitely a Sunday-Monday night thing then. |
| 06:27.25 | empty | libfreetype6-dev, sue me :P |
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| 06:27.47 | Mozo | :PPP |
| 06:27.49 | caphuso | bisquit: no, it doesn't |
| 06:28.00 | nvz | oh well I will see you all later, I've got to make take the system down, add HDDs, backup, then reinstall debian |
| 06:28.00 | Mozo | i've found in freshmeat :P |
| 06:28.09 | bisquit | caphuso: Well that's good news. :) |
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| 06:28.23 | empty | Mozo, find sourceforge instead LOL |
| 06:28.25 | nvz | I am still not comfortable with the fact I have no HDD bays to mount these drives in |
| 06:28.27 | sobersabre | empty, there's no new info on that page for me,, it is only hw list... i know how to run lspci.. |
| 06:28.40 | Mozo | empty lol :D |
| 06:28.47 | empty | sobersabre, OK then sorry :-/ |
| 06:28.48 | sobersabre | hmm thanks, i guess i will have to dig,. |
| 06:29.08 | empty | sobersabre, think of it as a google scavenger hunt |
| 06:29.20 | bisquit | Thank you all, again. :) Once again a helpful visit. |
| 06:29.23 | nvz | hopefully I can figure out LVM on my own and wont have to come back here to whine for help |
| 06:30.06 | bisquit | FastTrak[tm] and Debian, how well do they match? Mine don't seem to co-operate much. |
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| 06:30.43 | stochastic | Newbie just curious as to how to mount a second hard drive? |
| 06:30.54 | JeffH | anyone in here use Dirvish? I can't get it to connect/backup a windows box. |
| 06:30.58 | sep | nvz: bays are for whussies computers werent ment to have cabinets, and harddrives were ment to hang suspended in the air :) |
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| 06:31.36 | streuner | stochastic: man mount, man fstab |
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| 06:32.05 | stochastic | streuner: the man pages are way to technical |
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| 06:32.32 | wolaopa | can someone pls send a mail to root@kien.no-ip.biz to help check out my mail server? |
| 06:32.34 | Mozo | !find libfreetype6-dev |
| 06:32.37 | dpkg | libfreetype6-dev: (FreeType 2 font engine, development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.1.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 3364 kB |
| 06:32.40 | streuner | stochastic: if you arent able to read man-pages linux is not the right choice then |
| 06:33.04 | Mozo | libfreetype6-dev is already the newest version. |
| 06:33.08 | Mozo | ops |
| 06:33.12 | stochastic | streuner: we have differenent views of what linux should be then |
| 06:33.18 | Mozo | no.. the problem is not freetype :| |
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| 06:33.52 | streuner | stochastic: views arent helping you much to solve a problem (mount an HD) |
| 06:34.16 | floppyears | hi |
| 06:34.30 | floppyears | can somebody please help me setup wordpress in debian ? |
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| 06:34.52 | floppyears | I'm getting the following error |
| 06:34.54 | floppyears | Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required '/etc/wordpress/config-localhost:8081.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /etc/wordpress/wp-config.php on line 6 |
| 06:35.27 | Mozo | and I am getting the error -> /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/freetype.h:20:2: #error "`ft2build.h' hasn't been included yet!" |
| 06:35.33 | Mozo | help :PP |
| 06:35.46 | liable | Mozo: have you googled that error? |
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| 06:36.04 | Mozo | liable hmm.. no :( |
| 06:36.10 | streuner | stochastic: usually there are examples in man-pages, if there isnt one just use groups.google.com |
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| 06:37.14 | liable | Mozo: well do it ffs, I only got 600 hits for it. |
| 06:37.20 | nvz | sep: heh.. I guess so.. but its going to get crowded trying to put three drives just sitting in this case.. its an old presario case that had the screwless brackets |
| 06:37.57 | karsten | nvz: How's cooling on that box? |
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| 06:38.08 | smudge8 | GENTOO RULES! |
| 06:38.08 | floppyears | liable: yes, I have |
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| 06:38.12 | karsten | nvz: Wait.... Presario's Compaq or HP? |
| 06:38.18 | simonrvn | ... |
| 06:38.19 | floppyears | liable: but nothing good has come up |
| 06:38.49 | karsten | nvz: ...anyhow, my experience is that the PSUs on those boxes suck eggs, and you're going to have heat issues. |
| 06:38.50 | nvz | karsten: haha, what? cooling? its got a nice breeze going through the missing side panel, the open drive bays I dont have mounting hardware for, and the open expansion card slots in the back |
| 06:38.59 | nvz | karsten: its compaq |
| 06:39.00 | karsten | nvz: Heh. |
| 06:39.13 | stochastic | streuner: so I've read the man pages and they didn't explain how to figure out what to put into fstab to get my HD mounted |
| 06:39.29 | karsten | nvz: OK. Hrm. Didn't HP continue the line? No... I'm thinking Pavillion. |
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| 06:39.35 | karsten | nvz: ...which really and truely sucks. |
| 06:39.38 | streuner | stochastic: man fstab, i already told you before |
| 06:39.46 | jaggi | aptitude and the package manager are asking for the ubuntu CD.. how can I get them to install from the net again? |
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| 06:39.52 | stochastic | streuner: I read that |
| 06:40.00 | slava | hi, i just installed sarge, firefox doesn't start |
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| 06:40.45 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 06:40.45 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 06:40.46 | karsten | slava: Start it from cmdline. What happens? Or look at ~/.xsession-errors |
| 06:40.47 | jaggi | it works on some things, but I'm trying to install g++ |
| 06:40.52 | jaggi | and it's asking for the ubuntu cd |
| 06:40.55 | simonrvn | jagerman: edit sources.list. /join #ubuntu |
| 06:41.03 | nvz | oh well, I need to take this system down and arrange these drives in there somehow.. I will probably just have to stack them up on the desk with cardboard between them or something |
| 06:41.08 | simonrvn | jaggi: ^^^, not jagerman, sorry |
| 06:41.20 | slava | i'm running firefox from an xterm. note: DISPLAY is set, other clients start fine, etc, but firefox gives |
| 06:41.20 | slava | slava@emu:~$ firefox |
| 06:41.21 | slava | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 06:41.21 | slava | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
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| 06:41.34 | simonrvn | slava: stop running x as root FFS |
| 06:41.41 | slava | simonrvn, i'm not |
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| 06:41.53 | karsten | !tell slava about flood |
| 06:42.08 | stochastic | can someone tell me how to figure out what to put into fstab so that I can get my second hard drive mounted? (and yes I've read the man page but it only tells me what the fields do) |
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| 06:42.45 | karsten | slava: Have you quit / restarted X? |
| 06:42.46 | karsten | stochastic: What's the device? /dev/hdb? /dev/hdd? |
| 06:42.52 | karsten | slava: Google "linux partitioning FAQ" for an fstab example. |
| 06:43.08 | slava | karsten, like i said, other x clients work from the same xterm |
| 06:43.10 | stochastic | karsten: I don't know, how do I figure that out? |
| 06:43.11 | slava | if i run firefox, it doesn't work |
| 06:43.20 | slava | so firefox's launch shell script is busted |
| 06:43.22 | jaggi | thanks, simon.. commented out the cdrom line.. |
| 06:43.28 | karsten | stochastic: dmesg | grep -i hd |
| 06:43.35 | jaggi | (I also joined #ubuntu, but ..) |
| 06:43.40 | karsten | slava: answer the question: have you restarted X? |
| 06:43.45 | slava | karsten, yes |
| 06:43.46 | simonrvn | lemme guess, they're clueless? |
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| 06:44.24 | jaggi | I'm trying to get totem to work.. but perhaps this is a ubuntu issue :) |
| 06:44.30 | stochastic | karsten: ok it's hdd1 that I want to mount |
| 06:44.49 | karsten | stochastic: Filesystem type? |
| 06:44.51 | slava | karsten, http://paste.lisp.org/display/9160 |
| 06:44.52 | k-man | is it difficult to convert a non shadow passwd system to using shadow passwds? |
| 06:45.03 | stochastic | karsten: how can I figure out the other fields? |
| 06:45.07 | karsten | k-man: No. |
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| 06:45.17 | k-man | karsten, what must one do? |
| 06:45.18 | stochastic | karsten: like filesystem type |
| 06:45.34 | karsten | k-man: 'apropos shadow' |
| 06:45.47 | karsten | stochastic: What filesystem is it? ext2? ntfs? dos? |
| 06:45.59 | karsten | stochastic: 'auto' will autodetect. |
| 06:46.07 | stochastic | karsten: it's either ext2 or ext3 |
| 06:46.27 | stochastic | karsten: is that for all fileds I can just enter auto |
| 06:46.54 | karsten | k-man: update-passwd |
| 06:47.27 | floppyears | anybody that can help me ? |
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| 06:47.41 | karsten | k-man: Sorry. pwconf |
| 06:47.43 | karsten | k-man: Sorry. pwconv |
| 06:47.46 | k-man | oh |
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| 06:48.15 | karsten | stochastic: Where do you want to mount it to? What path? |
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| 06:48.29 | k-man | karsten, so... one runs that and thats it? your using shadow passwords? |
| 06:48.31 | stochastic | karsten: /Hatwin |
| 06:48.40 | karsten | stochastic: <device> <mount point> <filesystem> <options> 0 2 |
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| 06:49.00 | stochastic | karsten: is there anything I need to put in options? |
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| 06:49.12 | karsten | stochastic: so: /dev/hdd1 /Hatwin ext3,ext2 auto,nodev,nosuid 0 2 |
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| 06:49.46 | karsten | stochastic: The nodev/nosuid prevents creating/accessing device and SUID files, security risk. I disable for all filesystems other than / and /usr. |
| 06:49.59 | karsten | stochastic: ...you don't have to specify them, but it's a safety precaution. |
| 06:50.11 | [Freecity]Zealot | how to install gnome-2.10 without mozilla-browser ? |
| 06:50.19 | [Freecity]Zealot | I already have firefox |
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| 06:50.47 | stochastic | karsten: thanks you've been a great help, once I've edited fstab, then do I just run 'mount /dev/hdd1'? |
| 06:50.57 | streuner | [Freecity]Zealot: from mozilla.org? |
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| 06:51.13 | karsten | stochastic: Yes. |
| 06:51.16 | bogues | so do tards call Debian Debian/GNU/Linux? |
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| 06:51.18 | karsten | stochastic: ...as root. |
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| 06:51.26 | karsten | !ops troll bogues |
| 06:51.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: troll bogues |
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| 06:51.51 | streuner | [Freecity]Zealot: because you can have installed both, mozilla-browser _AND_ mozilla-firefox |
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| 06:52.19 | stochastic | karsten: thanks. |
| 06:52.25 | karsten | slava: Try killing X, removing ~/.Xauthority, and trying again. |
| 06:52.37 | bob2 | bah |
| 06:52.43 | karsten | !beer ops |
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| 06:53.00 | karsten | !win dos000 |
| 06:53.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, dos000! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 06:53.05 | karsten | !win dondelelcaro |
| 06:53.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, dondelelcaro! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
| 06:53.07 | [Freecity]Zealot | I *must* install mozilla-browser whick I never use. it sucks |
| 06:53.26 | karsten | [Freecity]Zealot: ...for what? |
| 06:53.31 | streuner | heh, cuba is prolly great, great weather :-) |
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| 06:53.59 | [Freecity]Zealot | gnome 2.10 depend on mozilla-browser |
| 06:54.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell Mozo about away |
| 06:54.08 | karsten | [Freecity]Zealot: ...ah. Well, yeah, if the deps say so... Check your packages and deps. |
| 06:54.48 | streuner | [Freecity]Zealot: and? |
| 06:54.57 | karsten | Mozo: Turn that crap off. |
| 06:54.59 | streuner | Mozo: turn that off |
| 06:55.19 | Mozo | :( |
| 06:55.20 | Mozo | sorry |
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| 06:55.33 | Mozo | i'm newbie here :> |
| 06:55.45 | streuner | !info mozilla-browser |
| 06:55.50 | dpkg | mozilla-browser: (The Mozilla Internet application suite - core and browser), section web, is optional. Version: 2:1.7.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 10041 kB, Installed size: 30836 kB |
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| 06:56.29 | karsten | What's sarge's package count? Release announcement doesn't say explcitly. |
| 06:56.35 | dondelelcaro | !dstats sarge |
| 06:56.43 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 06:56.59 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Danke. |
| 06:57.00 | [Freecity]Zealot | yelp 2.10.0-2 depend on mozilla-browser |
| 06:57.00 | dondelelcaro | (that's on i386, each arch is slightly different) |
| 06:57.03 | Mozo | any can help me?? I already googled the error, but I don't found answers for my problem with freetype.h |
| 06:57.04 | Mozo | : |
| 06:57.14 | karsten | dondelelcaro: You are in a twisty maze of arches.... |
| 06:57.20 | dondelelcaro | Mozo: you probably don't have xlibs-dev installed |
| 06:57.35 | dondelelcaro | !+find freetype.h |
| 06:57.37 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:57.37 | streuner | [Freecity]Zealot: why do you arent care at all? GNOME install is over 100 MB and you think about a packages which is 30 MB? |
| 06:57.37 | karsten | Mozo: Question? |
| 06:57.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'freetype.h' (5 of 6): (/usr/include/freetype/freetype.h) in oldlibs/libttf-dev ;; (/usr/include/fontconfig/fcfreetype.h) in libdevel/libfontconfig1-dev ;; (/usr/include/freetype2/freetype/freetype.h) in libdevel/libfreetype6-dev ;; (/usr/lib/plt/collects/plot/src/all/plfreetype.h) in interpreters/mzscheme ;; (/usr/share/doc/texmf/help/Catalogue/entries/freetype.html) in doc/tetex-doc. |
| 06:57.43 | Mozo | !xlibs-dev |
| 06:57.44 | tarzeau | good morning |
| 06:57.52 | Mozo | !info xlibs-dev |
| 06:57.56 | karsten | tarzeau: The only good morning's a dead morning. |
| 06:57.56 | dondelelcaro | make that lybttf-dev or libfreetype6-dev |
| 06:57.58 | dpkg | xlibs-dev: (X Window System client library development files dummy package), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 06:57.59 | streuner | [Freecity]Zealot: only 100 MB to get the packages NOT installed... |
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| 06:58.16 | pipeline | [Freecity]Zealot: No matter what you do, you'll need mozilla. It's the only reasonable browser on any UNIX platform. Bite the bullet. |
| 06:58.36 | Mozo | karsten is an error that I am getting when try to compile pango |
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| 06:58.57 | streuner | [Freecity]Zealot: you can create a dummy-package to satisfy the depends |
| 06:58.58 | Mozo | karsten: /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/freetype.h:20:2: #error "`ft2build.h' hasn't been included yet!" |
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| 06:59.22 | stochastic | what program do I run to partition a HD? |
| 06:59.35 | pipeline | stochastic: cfdisk |
| 06:59.43 | streuner | [Freecity]Zealot: but if you thinking in terms of 'How can i save HD-space'? you shouldnt use GNOME or KDE then |
| 06:59.43 | pipeline | stochastic: or fdisk, but cfdisk is easier to use |
| 06:59.57 | ethics | is there any way to automatically run binaries via another app as default? ie i want to open xine always like aoss xine |
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| 07:00.06 | Mozo | !info xlibs-dev |
| 07:00.08 | liable | Mozo: see what dpkg said, try installing libfreetype6-dev |
| 07:00.08 | pipeline | [Freecity]Zealot: If you're thinking in terms of "how can I save HD-space" you shouldn't be using X at all. Or bash. Install busy box. It'll fit on a 10M XENIX drive. |
| 07:00.10 | amphi | ethics: alias |
| 07:00.19 | dpkg | xlibs-dev: (X Window System client library development files dummy package), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (sid), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 07:00.25 | Mozo | liable i have libfreetype6-dev |
| 07:00.36 | pipeline | [Freecity]Zealot: That, or spend the whole dollar to install an entire debian + gnome + openoffice plus gobs of other software. Hard drive space is less than a tenth of a penny a megabyte. Who gives a shit? |
| 07:00.52 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 07:00.53 | ethics | amphi: i was hoping something a bit more like alias %binaryfiletype% |
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| 07:01.05 | [Freecity]Zealot | I see, thanks you guys |
| 07:01.24 | streuner | pipline: on a 350 MB HD running debian woody with X - no problem |
| 07:01.46 | ethics | amphi or if its in a file run it like this or some such....i guess alias would work tho |
| 07:02.00 | stochastic | when i attempt to look at what type of filesystem I have on my second HD by running cfdisk it says that there is no partition and that the free space is 0.00MB |
| 07:02.07 | ethics | amphi, i want it for all apps that run sound is my issue hehe |
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| 07:02.30 | amphi | ethics: ah |
| 07:03.18 | ethics | amphi, i can get multiple sounds running iie mp3/video/gnome all at once.. |
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| 07:04.16 | stochastic | Is there any way of retrieving data from a HD if cfdisk sees no partition on it? |
| 07:04.19 | pipeline | stochastic: Maybe you're opening the wrong device. |
| 07:04.23 | nomed^ | hi .. |
| 07:04.31 | ethics | no other ideas other than alias? |
| 07:04.42 | pipeline | streuner: sure, as a dumb X terminal. It would be more cost effective to make it an NFS root system. |
| 07:04.51 | ethics | some sort of default bash script maybee? |
| 07:05.00 | pipeline | streuner: The electrical costs to keep that 350M disk spinning are most probably higher than buying a larger drive for a fileserver somewhere :P |
| 07:05.07 | stochastic | pipeline: yeah, I figured that one out, but now it just says all 34MB are free space when last time I used the drive there was data on it |
| 07:05.08 | nomed^ | could you explain me the meaning of real-root-dev? what does it mean for ex. 771 ? |
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| 07:06.53 | streuner | pipeline: hehe :-) |
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| 07:08.47 | JeffH | Is there a way to list the triples that are in the postgrey database? |
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| 07:12.38 | nvz | I have a 120gb drive now with sarge on it, I am backing up my home to this 80gb drive, then I am going to reinstall sarge with LVM across my 120GB drive and the new 160GB I bought.. for performance, would it be better to put the two large LVM drives on the same controller or separate controllers? they are both UATA IDE drives, and I have two IDE controllers, I currently have the 120 on the primary master, and my DVD+RW on secondary master |
| 07:13.02 | karsten | nvz: Nominally: two seperate controllers. |
| 07:13.30 | karsten | nvz: ...though you're not too likely to notice drastic benefits unless you look hard / measure explicitly. |
| 07:14.34 | stochastic | I just wrote a partition to my second HD through cfdisk and the filesystem type is a logical Linux (number 83 in the cfdisk list) partition but when I try to mount it as an ext2 I get an error that says it's the wrong filesystem type |
| 07:14.57 | caphuso | stochastic: did you create a filesytem on that partition? |
| 07:15.04 | nvz | karsten: which I wont, but I am going to be sharing a large part of this LVM array with samba on my lan, I just want to still be able to use my pc comfortably as a desktop and also as a fileserver.. I just want it to run as smoothly as it can |
| 07:15.09 | karsten | Is there a better gif animation player than Imagemagick? It's got some annoying flash/artifact noise issues. |
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| 07:15.17 | tarzeau | karsten: a browser? |
| 07:15.22 | stochastic | caphuso: not that I'm aware of, how do I do that? |
| 07:15.30 | caphuso | stochastic: mkfs |
| 07:15.33 | karsten | Eg: there's a mostly red frame on this animation (which is otherwise pretty slick): |
| 07:15.37 | tarzeau | karsten: mplayer maybe? |
| 07:15.39 | karsten | http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/col_rapidAfterimage/2005_2a.gif |
| 07:15.48 | karsten | tarzeau: I set 'em to loop once only. |
| 07:15.49 | karsten | tarzeau: Hrm.... |
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| 07:16.15 | karsten | tarzeau: Animated webpages *suck*. |
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| 07:16.33 | tarzeau | karsten: www.linuks.mine.nu/stepbill/ is an exception |
| 07:16.55 | tbogon | hi. i have a problem :) |
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| 07:17.00 | jm_ | karsten: gthumb also shows animated gifs |
| 07:17.25 | tarzeau | tbogon: that's nice, honey |
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| 07:17.42 | tbogon | i install yesterday debian with kernel 2.4 on my dell lyptop |
| 07:18.02 | karsten | jm_: OK. |
| 07:18.09 | tbogon | it runs funny under X but my console not under X have problems with the fonts |
| 07:18.26 | karsten | tarzeau: Per Google: 6 billion web pages. One animated gif that doesn't suck. |
| 07:18.26 | tbogon | its readable but not quit well |
| 07:18.38 | karsten | tarzeau: ...make that 8 billion pages. |
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| 07:18.41 | streuner | stochastic: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html |
| 07:18.41 | tbogon | someone now how i can fix this |
| 07:18.58 | jgoper | spanish ?? |
| 07:19.03 | karsten | !tell tbogon about enter. |
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| 07:19.25 | karsten | tbogon: Screenshot illustrating the problem perhaps? |
| 07:19.54 | tbogon | i cant make a screenshot O_o ist the console not under X and i havent a camera ;) |
| 07:20.19 | jgoper | hey i cann't install sarge in a server sunfire v250 .... |
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| 07:21.07 | liable | jgoper: there is a #debian-es channel. |
| 07:21.19 | jgoper | ok |
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| 07:21.37 | jgoper | thanks !!!! |
| 07:22.03 | tbogon | have noone an idea to my problem ? |
| 07:22.04 | streuner | tbogon: scrot |
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| 07:22.25 | streuner | !info scrot |
| 07:22.30 | dpkg | scrot: (command line screen capture utility), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8-6 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 07:23.58 | tbogon | streuner: thanks but i dont think that this problem is captured with an screenshot. :)look, my fonts have a shadow and only under the console not under X.. its mayby the wrong size of the lcd in an entry |
| 07:24.12 | hellz | does debian sarge kernel 2.6.9 supports LVS |
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| 07:24.39 | streuner | sarge has no 2.6.9 kernel |
| 07:27.32 | floppyears | does anybody use wordpress in here ? |
| 07:28.11 | tbogon | hmm.. ok thank you baba |
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| 07:29.11 | streuner | !lvs |
| 07:29.11 | dpkg | it has been said that lvs is Linux Virtual Server is a highly scalable and highly available server built on a cluster of real servers |
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| 07:30.33 | eye69 | streuner: I'd recommend building your own kernel. |
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| 07:31.06 | hellz | yes i was using xandros and even though they are using 2.6 kernel, they don't have lvs enabled |
| 07:31.45 | streuner | http://www.ultramonkey.org/3/installation-debian.sarge.html |
| 07:32.04 | hellz | i read in ultramonkey.org that debian sarge 2.4.27 kernel already provides ipvs in the kernel |
| 07:32.07 | hellz | yes |
| 07:32.10 | hellz | that link only |
| 07:32.27 | hellz | someone told me that the new sarge comes with 2.6.9 kernel |
| 07:32.28 | nvz | if I repartition a drive for backup, do I have to reboot to format or use it? |
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| 07:32.53 | pajama | streuner, try Xen instead |
| 07:33.04 | hellz | what is Xen |
| 07:33.15 | streuner | eye69, pajama: hellz asked for it... |
| 07:33.40 | wols_ | hellz: another virtualization solution |
| 07:33.54 | nvz | hellz: someone lied :P |
| 07:33.55 | pajama | a VERY fast one |
| 07:34.15 | streuner | dpkg, xen |
| 07:34.15 | dpkg | from memory, xen is A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. |
| 07:34.46 | pajama | Xen: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ |
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| 07:35.45 | simonrvn | kaplonk |
| 07:35.56 | hellz | ok, seems good |
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| 07:36.34 | nvz | Can I format and use a partition after repartitioning or do I have to reboot first? |
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| 07:36.48 | nse | is the MIT dictionary server offline? |
| 07:37.16 | ethics | i just got dmixer working if anyone was intrested in multiple sound apps... |
| 07:37.20 | streuner | hellz: http://www.austintek.com/LVS/LVS-HOWTO/HOWTO/LVS-HOWTO.introduction.html |
| 07:37.46 | henryb | nvz afaik you can do that as long as there is not a mounted partition on the drive in question |
| 07:37.56 | henryb | in other words, if you have one hard drive, probably not |
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| 07:38.15 | sep | nvz: you can use it directly usualy, if you need a reboot, it should say so |
| 07:38.32 | nvz | its a spare, had NTFS and FreeBSD filesystems on it, I wiped the whole partitiontable and put 100% Linux on it |
| 07:39.06 | nvz | I just want to backup /home onto it my /home is 40gb used and the drive is 80gb so I should be good (: |
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| 07:39.17 | caphuso | nvz: sfdisk -R |
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| 07:39.38 | nvz | fuck! |
| 07:39.43 | caphuso | no, thanks |
| 07:39.44 | hellz | streuner: i read it before, i was trying a easy way out installing over a already built ipvs kernel |
| 07:39.54 | nvz | I dont know what keeps happening here, but I keep locking up screen windows somehow |
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| 07:40.14 | nvz | ah, nm I got out of it this time with a C-a ^Q |
| 07:40.21 | nvz | damn scroll lock |
| 07:40.30 | caphuso | don't hit "C-a C-s" then |
| 07:41.21 | caphuso | or just C-s, if the currently running app doesn't handle it |
| 07:41.34 | tzafrir | I've installed some systems as Sarge when it was testing. Now I want to use apt-setup to re-generate a sources list in one of them. But apt-setup seems to think I have a 'testing' system. |
| 07:41.38 | nvz | its not like I do it on purpose. I use C-a C-a to toggle between two windows a lot, I guess I slip my fingers |
| 07:41.53 | streuner | hellz: did you subscribe to that? (ML) http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/mailing.html |
| 07:41.55 | tzafrir | Where does it take its defaults from? |
| 07:42.06 | sep | tzafrir: upgrade apt-setup first perhaps ? |
| 07:42.19 | nvz | its easier to use C-a C-a then to remember what window I was just using and press different keys, striking C-a twice is pretty easy |
| 07:42.27 | sep | tzafrir: just edit your sources manaualy change testing to sarge |
| 07:42.28 | hellz | no, i didn't subscribing, but i have to |
| 07:43.56 | simonrvn | considering you don't even have to lift your finger from the control key to do the switching is even cooler |
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| 07:44.25 | nvz | the scroll lock is easy to get out of though.. the other day I locked up window 0 with irssi, and had to kill it, because I could not get it back with a million C-a ^q or plain ^q's |
| 07:44.27 | bbrazil | nvz: http://netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/matrix/random.html#fix-freezed-screen |
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| 07:44.42 | tzafrir | sep, package 'base-config' is up-to-date |
| 07:45.02 | sep | tzafrir: just edit manauly |
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| 07:45.30 | nvz | hmmf, I hate when I get cool links when I am not going to look at them. and its not like I can bookmark it, because I am about to wipe out my drive :P |
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| 07:45.54 | bbrazil | nvz: I'll send it to you again tomorrow, or you could store it in dpkg |
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| 07:47.10 | nvz | dpkg, frozen screen is http://netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/matrix/random.html#fix-freezed-screen |
| 07:47.10 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
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| 07:47.33 | nvz | dpkg, listauth nvz |
| 07:47.34 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'nvz' (14): ? or some shit #DEL# ;; fts ;; frozen screen ;; CMD: watch (.*?) ;; iaft ;; CMD: yinzersmite (.*?) ;; plyweed #DEL# ;; badgerwang ;; svideo->cvideo ;; dancer configlines ;; CMD: stranger (.*?) ;; qotd106 ;; sync ;; rfb. |
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| 07:48.01 | nvz | that qotd106 shouldnt be in there anymore.. someone fucking overwritten what I put in it.. so it shouldnt show up under my name |
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| 07:51.53 | ethics | does anyone know if developers are going to package alsa 1.09 anytime soon? |
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| 07:52.39 | dondelelcaro | ethics: ask whichever developer is packaging alsa. |
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| 07:53.19 | jethro | good morning #debian |
| 07:53.20 | ethics | dondelelcaro, cool ill look him up....its really worth it i think |
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| 07:53.50 | dondelelcaro | ethics: although, you should note that Debian already distributes 1.09b-1 |
| 07:54.06 | dondelelcaro | !info alsa-base |
| 07:54.08 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.9b-1 (sid), Packaged size: 115 kB, Installed size: 288 kB |
| 07:54.29 | streuner | hm |
| 07:54.35 | streuner | !maint alsa-base |
| 07:54.36 | dpkg | alsa-base: Debian ALSA Maintainers <pkg-alsa-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
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| 07:54.58 | ethics | why is it in sid and not testing? and the other stuff needs to be done also hehe |
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| 07:55.13 | dondelelcaro | ethics: actually, that is the latest release... so I really don't know what you're asking for. |
| 07:55.17 | mwilson | ethics: How would it get to testing? |
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| 07:55.48 | mwilson | (translation: you don't really understand how unstable and testing work, do you?) |
| 07:56.18 | simonrvn | obviously</ad hominem> |
| 07:56.20 | ethics | mwilson, i know it goes via sid but i was expecting it to be here already in testing....j |
| 07:56.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell ethics about why is alsa-base not in testing |
| 07:56.34 | mwilson | ethics: And why would that be? |
| 07:56.46 | nvz | I like to watch mwilson confront people like fat old people like watching roseanne |
| 07:56.51 | ethics | dondelelcaro, i was hoping the new libs & plugins were done also |
| 07:57.06 | ethics | dondelelcaro, ill check sid at dpo |
| 07:57.10 | dondelelcaro | ethics: the plugins are a function of the kernel, not the alsa package |
| 07:57.30 | mwilson | Personally, I've yet to find a reason to bother with ALSA. |
| 07:57.35 | ethics | mwilson, because its been out longer than etch.. |
| 07:57.53 | dondelelcaro | ethics: 1.09b was released 6-07 |
| 07:57.57 | nvz | me either, I have OSS supported hardware |
| 07:57.59 | mwilson | ethics: How is that relevant? |
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| 07:58.17 | ethics | dondelelcaro, a/b are fixups very minor |
| 07:58.34 | dondelelcaro | ethics: so? |
| 07:58.39 | streuner | http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alsa-driver.html |
| 07:58.43 | mwilson | Man, he really has no clue. |
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| 07:58.54 | ethics | dondelelcaro, so the actual date you listed is incorrect... |
| 07:58.56 | dondelelcaro | ethics: the original version was only released 5-27. It wouldn't have been uploaded to unstable until after the release anyway. |
| 07:58.56 | streuner | # Too young, only 6 of 10 days old |
| 07:58.56 | streuner | # Not considered |
| 07:59.25 | dondelelcaro | (plus, the fact that two minor revisions had to be released tends to vindicate the maintainers decision not to upgrade it) |
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| 07:59.49 | ethics | dondelelcaro, ahh yeah of course they were rolling gnome as well |
| 07:59.59 | nvz | heh |
| 08:00.08 | nvz | its funny though |
| 08:00.14 | simonrvn | gawds... |
| 08:00.18 | mwilson | ethics: What does the one have to do with the other? Oh, that's right... nothing. |
| 08:00.19 | nvz | I am laughing my ass off |
| 08:01.06 | ethics | dondelelcaro, just that they would have been holding off on all the updates via sid and etch on the release process...ie etch had 2 days then bang heaps of changes...same with sid so it was changing versions still when it was looked to be packaged id expect |
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| 08:01.16 | sussudio | in soviet russia, air laughs nvz off |
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| 08:01.23 | sussudio | s/air/ass/ |
| 08:01.39 | dondelelcaro | ethics: I can't parse that sentence, unfortunatly. |
| 08:02.17 | henryb | perhaps fortunately |
| 08:02.19 | nvz | !yinzersmite ethics |
| 08:02.22 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.48 | ethics | fine be grumpy 8) |
| 08:03.12 | nvz | my yinzersmite was designed for occations like this, when people don't make any sense |
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| 08:03.27 | mwilson | ethics: Take some time, actually bother to learn how testing and unstable work, *then* start making demands of maintainers. |
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| 08:03.52 | mwilson | ethics: You'll get just as ridiculed, but at least you'll have some clue of what you're talking about. |
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| 08:04.11 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 08:04.14 | streuner | mwilson: yeah, all things are just fine. |
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| 08:04.26 | nvz | dondelelcaro: its a slang word for people who talk slang like its a language. If you ever been to Pittsburg, PA you would know yinzers firsthand, we have our own language here. http://www.pittsburghese.com/ |
| 08:04.31 | amorphix | i'm havin a wee small problem with Debian KDE 3.3 |
| 08:04.49 | amorphix | i change my refresh rate in the desktop settings but it reverts back to the previous one as soon as i close the desktop settings window, even killing gdm and restarting has no effect, same refresh rate |
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| 08:05.12 | nvz | dondelelcaro: Dahntahn onna sauside day talk like dis innat. |
| 08:05.19 | streuner | mwilson: sorry, that wasnt for you ;-) |
| 08:05.36 | amorphix | haha |
| 08:06.06 | nvz | by the way yinzersmite needs some work, I initally made 4 smites, but I am at a loss for improvements |
| 08:06.06 | ethics | mwilson, im not making demands on developers... i was asking first up if anyone knew if alsa 1.0.9 was being packaged yet...i checked my sources not sid ...i got the answer and asked why it wasnt in testing as of yet which i got a good reply. i thin merely pointed out the a/b releases were minor and i was surprised the other hadnt made it to testing...then i realised that there were alot of things held off on due to th |
| 08:06.06 | ethics | e sarge release...thus there was no demands just queires... |
| 08:06.09 | mwilson | amorphix: Why would you expect KDE to be able to change such things? |
| 08:06.28 | nvz | dpkg, literal CMD: yinzersmite (.*?) |
| 08:06.28 | dpkg | CMD: yinzersmite (.*?) is ($1): <action> (runsover $1, wif an ambleelunce gowen a hunnert mallanar.|pooshes $1 aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere". |pahds $1 fer behavin like an ig'nent yinzer.) |
| 08:06.46 | amorphix | mwilson: well there's a desktop options with changeable refresh rate and it asks if you want to save settings and asks for root pw, so i figured thats what it does |
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| 08:07.12 | nvz | hmm, I guess I removed one, when I changed them to try not to use pronouns so it would work for plurals |
| 08:07.20 | dondelelcaro | nvz: people just talk like that normally here... it's not really slang, it's de rigeur. |
| 08:07.26 | nvz | heh |
| 08:07.34 | mwilson | amorphix: Being KDE, I'm sure they've found a method for fscking that up, too. |
| 08:07.40 | nvz | yeah there are yinzers everwhere |
| 08:07.43 | amorphix | oh |
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| 08:08.26 | ethics | either way ive worked out what to do to fix all my ich6/tg3/dmixer issues in the 2.6.11 kernels....im a happy camper |
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| 08:09.22 | nvz | pittsburgh is big on yinzers, people of all cultures were attracted here many years ago by big jobs like J&L, American Bridge Co.. etc now its one big cultural melting pot, and all the jobs that drove the families that settled here are gone, and the city and surrounding areas are falling apart |
| 08:09.25 | SeerKan`11 | hello ... where can i find yahoo messenger for debian ? |
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| 08:09.45 | nvz | SeerKan`11: messenger.yahoo.com |
| 08:09.48 | _ch0de_ | has anyone got half life 2 setup on linux via cedega/point 2 play? |
| 08:09.53 | nvz | SeerKan`11: go figure |
| 08:09.54 | amorphix | SeerKan: Gaim or Kopete will do it |
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| 08:10.12 | nvz | SeerKan`11: it sucks btw, there are other messengers that support yahoo that are actually in debian |
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| 08:10.37 | SeerKan`11 | nvz ... like ? |
| 08:10.46 | amorphix | Gaim or Kopete? |
| 08:10.48 | SeerKan`11 | that is what i asked... |
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| 08:10.51 | streuner | _ch0de_: try #cedega |
| 08:11.02 | nvz | SeerKan`11: gaim, everybody, kopete, bitlbee.. there are lots |
| 08:11.08 | bucky | i like centericq |
| 08:11.15 | _ch0de_ | thanks |
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| 08:11.48 | nvz | SeerKan`11: you seem to have asked where to get yahoo messenger for debian, and thats messenger.yahoo.com, where you get it for Windows, MacOS and every other supported system |
| 08:11.49 | SeerKan`11 | nvz, and where can i find them ... i cand do atp-get install gaim ? |
| 08:11.56 | nvz | SeerKan`11: yep |
| 08:12.25 | SeerKan`11 | thanks |
| 08:13.44 | nvz | yahoo! technologies, if you can call them that are highly dependant on MSIE.. and what programs they do have for other non-MSIE OS's arent as featureful |
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| 08:14.25 | nvz | like you can do virtually nothing with music.yahoo.com on linux. they have firefox plugins that claim to work with the music videos, but I couldnt get it to work |
| 08:15.33 | nvz | I wonder if there is anything outside /home I should backup |
| 08:15.52 | nvz | maybe my sudoers, and my XF86Config-4 |
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| 08:17.09 | nvz | ah, my samba config too, even though its definatly going to have to change when I reinstall.. I like some of the things I got in there |
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| 08:17.43 | jetx | /etc for a shotgun approach |
| 08:18.09 | nvz | yeah, well this is just a temporary backup, I am reinstalling Sarge |
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| 08:19.03 | nvz | I dont want to backup too much because I dont want to have to restore it all :P |
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| 08:19.48 | nvz | I need to reinstall to put LVM on my 120GB drive, and then I am adding a 160GB drive I will put LVM on as well |
| 08:20.15 | jetx | i did the same |
| 08:20.15 | jetx | well i used the sarge installer for the first time rather |
| 08:20.15 | jetx | since release |
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| 08:21.22 | nvz | we were going to buy a 250GB for like $89 I think it was on pricewatch but I told him we may find a deal at the retail stores, and BestBuy had the 160GB for like $40 after rebates so thats more GB for the dollar |
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| 08:23.05 | pango | hi... after a simultaneous crash of 2 raid-1 disks, I'm reinstalling a system from dirvish backups... I'm getting there, but the system doesn't complete its boot phase, after adding some echos it seems to complete the rcS phase but not go on with rc2 phase |
| 08:23.07 | nvz | I've only got like 45GB or less of my 120 used so far anyhow, so thats plenty of space to start with for a fileserver |
| 08:23.26 | nvz | I should probably setup quotas too |
| 08:24.05 | pango | I don't know what I should look at next :/ |
| 08:25.19 | nvz | you should look at some nice big titties next |
| 08:25.28 | pango | (same symptoms if trying to boot in single mode btw) |
| 08:25.31 | nvz | it might not fix anything, but it will make you feel better about it |
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| 08:27.41 | nvz | it feels like I am backing up to tapes or punchcards as long as this is taking |
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| 08:28.31 | nvz | I might as well put in a cd, chances are I cant play mp3s while doing this :P |
| 08:29.42 | nvz | only two kernels I have are 2.4.27-i386, and my custom P4 2.4.29, neither really make this Athlon XP 1700+ run any better than most 486's I have seen |
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| 08:31.32 | nvz | see how much of this old R&B shit I can take before I actually go looking for another cd.. it was the closest one to grab |
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| 08:32.37 | xophEr | Where can I see what modules failed to load at startup? I saw a FATAL error :/ |
| 08:32.45 | pango | with udev and stuff, restoring from backups used to be easier... virtues of simplicity... |
| 08:33.15 | nvz | xophEr: /var/log/dmesg |
| 08:33.23 | xophEr | ok, thanks |
| 08:34.24 | pango | xophEr: BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd, reboot and look at /var/log/boot |
| 08:34.41 | pango | (again something broken by udev btw...) |
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| 08:34.55 | amorphix | i change my refresh rate in the desktop settings but it reverts back to the previous one as soon as i close the desktop settings window, even killing gdm and restarting has no effect, same refresh rate |
| 08:35.10 | SeerKan`11 | nvz, can u pls join flood ... i have to paste something |
| 08:35.13 | nvz | hmm the R&B is annoying me already I was about to start dancing and 2 seconds later I am ready to dance my way to another cd |
| 08:35.42 | tzafrir | To answer my question: it queries debconf for 'mirror/suite' |
| 08:35.47 | nvz | SeerKan`11: I am always in #flood, and probably always will be unless yossarian or udontknow or someone kicks me out :P |
| 08:36.14 | tzafrir | it=apt-setup, that is |
| 08:36.16 | SeerKan`11 | ok :) ... i pasted |
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| 08:37.21 | mike | hi, how can i calculate how many files are in a directory and all the subdirectories within it? |
| 08:37.26 | nvz | umm, well how about apt-get install gaim gaim-data libao2 libgtkspell0 libgdk-pixbuf libssl0.9.6 |
| 08:38.01 | xophEr | shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _BBN fail=0x5, shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x5. Whats this ? :/ |
| 08:38.07 | nvz | SeerKan`11: ^^ |
| 08:38.19 | SeerKan`11 | nvz, ? |
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| 08:38.29 | pango | mike: find /dir/ -type f|wc -l |
| 08:38.33 | directhex|work | xophEr, what's the card? |
| 08:38.33 | SeerKan`11 | i'm kinda beginer :) ... i want to learn ... |
| 08:38.35 | nvz | SeerKan`11: apt-get install gaim gaim-data libao2 libgtkspell0 libgdk-pixbuf libssl0.9.6 |
| 08:38.39 | mike | pango: ahh, okay, thanks |
| 08:38.56 | xophEr | directhex|work, How do I find that out? |
| 08:39.27 | directhex|work | xophEr, i think the implication from the message is you can't :/ |
| 08:39.41 | nvz | I've got to creep upstairs and get some cds I am not trying to hear this crap :P |
| 08:39.45 | xophEr | hm |
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| 08:40.26 | SeerKan`11 | it's working :) |
| 08:40.45 | pango | booting with linux init=/bin/bash rw, running /etc/init.d/rcS then /etc/init.d/rc 2 works... help! :) |
| 08:41.42 | xophEr | directhex|work, someone told me to just add 'shpchp' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, and that the error is harmless. |
| 08:42.01 | nvz | SeerKan`11: you seem to have tried to manually install a 3rd party package without its dependencies, breaking your system |
| 08:42.02 | tzafrir | echo 'SET mirror/suite stable' | debconf-communicate |
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| 08:43.54 | windowmaker | hey, i've tried heaps and googled this, but i compiled kernel 2.6.11.11, and everything works perfect except sound... there is no dsp in /dev, literally, thre's no /dev/dsp ! |
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| 08:44.41 | windowmaker | i've tried compiling it over and over with different options in xconfig and such... and sound is never working |
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| 08:44.56 | windowmaker | i use KDE, so i also want arts working |
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| 08:45.09 | mike | fluxbox > kde |
| 08:45.19 | windowmaker | really? |
| 08:45.22 | mike | ohh yeah |
| 08:45.24 | mike | \m/ |
| 08:45.33 | henryb | except that they are totally different, so you can't even compare them |
| 08:45.34 | windowmaker | hmm, you're probably right, but i'm more used to kde |
| 08:45.39 | windowmaker | true |
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| 08:45.39 | henryb | fluxbox is for somebody that wants to get work done |
| 08:45.45 | henryb | kde is for somebody that misses windows |
| 08:45.47 | windowmaker | ehehe lopl |
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| 08:46.05 | nvz | fluxbox is for someone who never seen sawfish before :P |
| 08:46.09 | henryb | kde is an entire desktop environment - fluxbox is really a window manager |
| 08:46.19 | windowmaker | nah, i don't quite miss windows, i just like the easyness of reaching places... why i use kde now i guess |
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| 08:46.26 | mike | fluxbox + transparent aterms = sexy |
| 08:46.27 | mike | lol |
| 08:46.32 | windowmaker | LOL |
| 08:46.33 | nvz | fluxbox has features no wm needs, and misses those which it should have |
| 08:46.34 | henryb | heh, yep |
| 08:46.41 | henryb | nvz go on... |
| 08:46.42 | windowmaker | anyway, about my sound LOL |
| 08:47.09 | directhex|work | windowmaker, back on topic, 2.6 kernels use oss not alsa by default. you also have udev, if your /dev is clean. try "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" if you want an old OSS /dev/dsp |
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| 08:47.19 | Glanzmann | What is the debian way to configure a firewall? |
| 08:47.35 | Glanzmann | What is the debian way to give an interface a second ipv4 ipaddress? |
| 08:47.35 | henryb | Glanzmann, if you want real control, of course use iptables yourself |
| 08:47.36 | michal_ | anyone know if there exists a sarge jigdo file for 1 dvd9 image instead of 2 dvd5 images? |
| 08:47.43 | directhex|work | windowmaker, that assumes you have ALSA set up & configured (apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf && reboot) |
| 08:47.48 | windowmaker | modprobe: command not found |
| 08:47.52 | jethro | Glanzmann: for the second, man 5 interfaces |
| 08:47.54 | henryb | windowmaker, su? |
| 08:47.56 | mike | Glanzmann, www.fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 08:47.59 | windowmaker | yeah |
| 08:48.01 | windowmaker | as su |
| 08:48.01 | Glanzmann | henryb: I want real control. I just want to know about the infrastructure debian is providing to let me safe my own rules. |
| 08:48.15 | mike | Glanzmann: its called IP Aliasing |
| 08:48.17 | Guerin | mike: if you think aterm transparency is sexy you need to get out more. |
| 08:48.19 | jethro | Glanzmann: as for the first one, there are packaged stuff like ipmasq, shorewall, etc.. or you can use vim, and iptables-save/iptables-restore |
| 08:48.20 | nvz | henryb: a wm doesnt need that little taskbar thingy.. its extra crap.. but window management functions like context based keybindings, window matching.. it lacks |
| 08:48.24 | Glanzmann | Or should I add just a shell script? |
| 08:48.30 | mike | Guerin: i do need to get out more |
| 08:48.31 | henryb | Glanzmann, probably not debian specific. there are TONS of packages out there for all sorts of iptables interaction |
| 08:48.35 | windowmaker | o wait no, i wasn't su |
| 08:48.36 | windowmaker | LOL |
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| 08:48.42 | henryb | Glanzmann, i prefer using iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 08:48.49 | windowmaker | OWWW |
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| 08:48.52 | mike | Guerin: its also the fact that my computer is only a 333MHz. and slow as buggery |
| 08:48.54 | windowmaker | SPEAKER WAS ON FULL BLAST |
| 08:49.00 | Glanzmann | No, I was wandering if there is some /etc/iptables.rules where I can store my rules and debian sets them automatically on each boot. |
| 08:49.04 | Guerin | mike: bah, 333 isn't slow |
| 08:49.04 | windowmaker | AND THEN SOMEBODY messages me on gaim |
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| 08:49.12 | Glanzmann | Or if I have to write an init script myself. |
| 08:49.16 | mike | Guerin: its slow enough |
| 08:49.18 | Guerin | mike: the 233 i'm on now isn't even slow |
| 08:49.18 | jethro | Glanzmann: what for? |
| 08:49.21 | henryb | nvz so what window manager do you personally recommend? |
| 08:49.22 | directhex|work | windowmaker, problem fixed, then? |
| 08:49.25 | michal_ | the problem with iptables-save/-restore is that you can't add comments |
| 08:49.29 | windowmaker | henryb: what about arts sound? |
| 08:49.30 | Glanzmann | jethro: To let debian init scripts restore my firewall rules. |
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| 08:49.39 | jethro | Glanzmann: there is /etc/init.d/iptables you just need to make your ruleset, then /etc/init.d/iptables save |
| 08:49.40 | nvz | henryb: IMHO ion2 and sawfish are the best two window managers in debian, showing completely different ends of the spectrum |
| 08:49.44 | Glanzmann | I don't need to add comments. |
| 08:49.46 | SeerKan`11 | nvz, thanks u where wery helpful |
| 08:49.50 | tzafrir | Is there any decent package with a terminal-based interface for a simple 1-NIC server setup? |
| 08:49.50 | henryb | michal_, i do add comments.... |
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| 08:49.54 | Glanzmann | jethro: I see, thanks. |
| 08:50.05 | jethro | Glanzmann: you're welcome. as for the aliasing, use interfaces for that. |
| 08:50.06 | jm_ | tzafrir: tried etherconf? |
| 08:50.08 | henryb | nvz i will check them out, always open to another option |
| 08:50.09 | wolaopa | during boot-up, i get this msg: /etc/modprobe.conf exists but does not include /etc/modprobe.d. my system is working fine. just want to see a clean boot-up. any suggestion? |
| 08:50.09 | michal_ | henryb: really? and how does iptables-save store them? |
| 08:50.11 | Guerin | tzafrir: etherconf |
| 08:50.23 | mike | Guerin: what are you running.. if you think transparent aterms arn't sexy? |
| 08:50.31 | tzafrir | etherconf handles iptables as well? |
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| 08:50.48 | henryb | michal_, i don't know, but it works :D basically i iptables-save > ruleset, then open ruleset and can edit it if i want. comments have to be on their own line, and start with a # symbol |
| 08:50.51 | Glanzmann | jethro: Yes, I will, but I don't know the syntax. |
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| 08:51.08 | henryb | michal_, perhaps that is non-standard, i dunno...but like i said, it works just fine |
| 08:51.12 | michal_ | henryb: what happens if you change the rules ans save.. |
| 08:51.19 | michal_ | s/ans/and |
| 08:51.34 | henryb | michal_, if i change the ruleset and iptables-restore, good good. obviously if you change the text file and iptables-save, then you lose your changes. bad bad |
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| 08:51.46 | jethro | Glanzmann: man 5 interfaces would be a good starter. there is no specific example for aliasing though. |
| 08:51.50 | jethro | !irritate tralala |
| 08:51.51 | dpkg | tralala: wenas how does I run teh grafixx windows ????? |
| 08:52.01 | tralala | !confuse jethro |
| 08:52.02 | dpkg | Yes, what was my badger tomorrow, jethro? trousers of the republic of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 08:52.02 | henryb | michal_, oh i see what you mean. you lose comments if you iptables-restore iptables-save |
| 08:52.07 | Glanzmann | jethro: I don't have this /etc/init.d/iptables and I can't find it: apt-file search iptables | grep init |
| 08:52.10 | michal_ | henryb: how are the comments associated with the rules then? |
| 08:52.15 | michal_ | henryb: yes.. basically |
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| 08:52.26 | caphuso | Glanzmann: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 08:52.31 | jethro | Glanzmann: ah my bad, it's gone in sarge. I just remembered |
| 08:52.39 | henryb | michal_, well i just don't use iptables-save anymore. my ruleset is pretty good, and i tweak it once in a while for port forwarding and whatnot, and only use restore |
| 08:52.54 | jethro | Glanzmann: what caphuso said :) |
| 08:53.00 | henryb | michal_, though really, i find my situation (at home) simple enough to not have comments |
| 08:53.03 | michal_ | henryb: autosaving rules seems a bit dangerous doesn't it? :) |
| 08:53.04 | tzafrir | Any particular reason etherconf requires "dhcp-client"? Isn't it buggies than dhcp3-client? |
| 08:53.19 | windowmaker | henryb: what about arts? i really want arts sound |
| 08:53.41 | mike | windowmaker: why do you want that? |
| 08:53.55 | Glanzmann | I see. |
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| 08:54.05 | windowmaker | henryb: because then i get the pretty KDE noises ^_^ |
| 08:54.08 | Cheetah | hi folks |
| 08:54.31 | mike | Guerin: what are you running on your desktop? |
| 08:54.45 | nvz | you don't need artsd for those sounds |
| 08:54.46 | henryb | windowmaker, again i like the minimalist approach: madman/xmms, xine, and mplayer are the only sound-producing mechanisms on my computer |
| 08:54.49 | Cheetah | i was wondering if there are any RAD (rapid application development) tools like REALbasic/VisualBasic that also include a GUI editor and stuff. I don't really want to code in C because I want to save time. :) Any ideas? |
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| 08:55.37 | tralala | Cheetah: perl, python |
| 08:56.03 | windowmaker | henryb: could you tell me anyway, pretty pleaaase? |
| 08:56.04 | henryb | Cheetah, use python and vim. for GUI use webbased stuff. honestly, what else do you need? |
| 08:56.07 | Cheetah | tralala, what about alternatives to them? i just want to do Gnome/KDE coding |
| 08:56.24 | tralala | Cheetah: kdevelop |
| 08:56.27 | henryb | windowmaker, unfortunately it's time for the reboot of the month. bbl |
| 08:56.37 | Cheetah | it should be some kind of touch-interface to control printing machines |
| 08:56.48 | Cheetah | like, the use uses a touch screen to do all the stuff |
| 08:56.53 | Cheetah | php is not really suited for that |
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| 08:57.06 | Cheetah | kdevelop also works for gnome? or is there something better for gnome? |
| 08:57.22 | Guerin | mike: sorry |
| 08:57.36 | Guerin | mike: http://feayn.org/~lewis/screen1.png |
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| 08:57.51 | directhex|work | Cheetah, you can develop and run Qt applications on Gnome, but you are better off with somethign like Glade2 for native GUI design |
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| 08:58.32 | wolaopa | during boot-up, i get this msg: /etc/modprobe.conf exists but does not include /etc/modprobe.d. my system is working fine. just want to see a clean boot-up. any suggestion? |
| 08:58.41 | Cheetah | directhex, is there some IDE that uses some high level language (like BASIC)? |
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| 08:58.49 | mike | Guerin: cool, what is that it is using? |
| 08:59.00 | Cheetah | like, a VisualBasic/REALbasic for Linux/Gnome/KDE? |
| 08:59.13 | nvz | damn that looks like my screen |
| 08:59.17 | directhex|work | Cheetah, as it happens, REALbasic for linux went free beta a few days ago |
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| 08:59.33 | Cheetah | directhex, i tried it, but it works like crap and I don't want to pay for it again :/ |
| 08:59.35 | nvz | except I dont have +CE set, just +ei right now |
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| 08:59.51 | Guerin | mike: openbox, uni_vga font (you might recognise it from your linux consol) |
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| 09:00.07 | Guerin | mike: just installed evilwm, which provides no window decorations |
| 09:00.35 | mike | Guerin: i'd like to set that up on my server |
| 09:00.48 | directhex|work | Cheetah, erm..... you could try Kylix, if you have any Delphi experience |
| 09:00.56 | Cheetah | no, i don't |
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| 09:01.12 | tralala | Didn't Borland droped Kylix? |
| 09:01.17 | Cheetah | but I was sure I read about RAD and IDEs like RB/VB somewhere a few weeks ago |
| 09:01.30 | mike | they did drop kylix |
| 09:01.45 | directhex|work | Cheetah, i don;t know of any good, Free RAD/IDE with a form editor and code editor combined |
| 09:02.05 | Cheetah | hmm, thanks anyway |
| 09:02.10 | Guerin | mike: you want X on your server? WHY? |
| 09:02.11 | directhex|work | Cheetah, there are form editors and IDEs aplenty, but i haven't seen anything worthwhile which combines them |
| 09:02.13 | nvz | there are many form editors in debian separate IIRC |
| 09:02.40 | directhex|work | the pain in the ass is needing to manually link the form to the code. |
| 09:02.44 | mike | Guerin: i dunno |
| 09:02.51 | Guerin | mike: then you don't want it. |
| 09:03.03 | mike | Guerin: prbly right |
| 09:03.38 | Cheetah | directhex, the thing is that I want to code natively, now tell me, what would you suggest a RB developer to write native GUI/apps for Gnome with minimal development time? |
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| 09:04.36 | nvz | Cheetah: I'd recommend capturing a live coder, and locking him/her in a room full of jolt cola and beer |
| 09:04.56 | Cheetah | nvz, what if I'm the coder and I want to learn something new? |
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| 09:04.57 | Cheetah | :P |
| 09:05.00 | nvz | Cheetah: toss in a pizza ever now an then just in case |
| 09:05.02 | directhex|work | Cheetah, hm......... mono, using Visual Basic and Glade 2. it's NOT as nice as a proper IDE, but it should be closer to what you're used to |
| 09:05.23 | directhex|work | i hear the latest monodevelop even has some documentation! |
| 09:05.27 | Cheetah | i dont like VB, i just mentioned it because language is close to RB |
| 09:05.43 | directhex|work | Cheetah, i'm a dirty boy, personally i like gtk2-perl |
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| 09:05.57 | londonboi2k3 | fsdf |
| 09:05.58 | Cheetah | alright. i will take a look into that, then. ;) |
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| 09:06.30 | tzafrir | etherconf is still far from being a resonable interface. The interface in the debian-installer is much nicer in terms of sane defaults |
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| 09:07.30 | tzafrir | Why on earth do I need to input the broadcast address of an interface? Why not give a sane default for the netmask? etc. Hmm, some patching will probably be required |
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| 09:08.13 | nvz | why cant you open /etc/network/interfaces in an editor like a normal person, is what I was wondering |
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| 09:09.10 | tralala | that's the 1M bucks question! |
| 09:09.23 | nvz | well its going to be probably another 2 hours before my backup is complete |
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| 09:10.25 | tzafrir | nvz, I have no problem with that. But I want to give "uneducated" admins easy access there. interfaces has indeed a very sane format, but you still need to remember the exact values |
| 09:10.48 | tzafrir | nvz, for http://xorcom.com/rapid |
| 09:10.52 | directhex|work | Cheetah, an example little application i wrote is http://apebox.org/modules/code/doom/kickstart-0.37RC2.tar.bz2 - since it's perl, you can just open & read the script in an editor, or run it since it's executable. |
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| 09:10.58 | Guerin | tzafrir: widhe |
| 09:11.03 | peanut | Morning. How much ram can Debian 3.1 address? |
| 09:11.13 | Guerin | tzafrir: it works if you just tell it ip address and gateway |
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| 09:11.22 | directhex|work | Cheetah, it's a linux port of a windows launcher app, comparison at http://apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section=three&browse=//Desktops/&image=kickstart.png |
| 09:11.23 | Guerin | peanut: depends on arch. |
| 09:11.25 | Cheetah | directhex, thanks.. what are Gnome apps usually written in? I mean, there must be some kind of API that Gnome offers to the developers to use widgets and stuff |
| 09:11.37 | directhex|work | peanut, i think i386 kernels have a 4gb cap by default |
| 09:11.45 | Guerin | Cheetah: typically POC, but some others |
| 09:11.51 | Cheetah | POC? |
| 09:11.53 | directhex|work | Cheetah, gtk is the toolkit, there are bindings to almost any language. c/c++ are most common though |
| 09:11.54 | Guerin | !poc |
| 09:11.56 | peanut | Guerin: directhex 32bit |
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| 09:12.01 | tzafrir | Guerin, I gave it an empty broadcast address and ended up with a broken interfaces file. |
| 09:12.01 | Guerin | !poc is plain old c |
| 09:12.01 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 09:12.09 | Guerin | tzafrir: hrm, ok. |
| 09:12.13 | Cheetah | directhex, how time intensive is it to use GTK? |
| 09:12.13 | tzafrir | it=etherconf |
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| 09:12.36 | peanut | thanks |
| 09:12.48 | nvz | damn seems like this Rage Against The Machine cd turns itself up.. every track so far I have turned it down a little, and it seems to just keep getting louder |
| 09:12.51 | tzafrir | So at the moment it is no safer than manually editing interfaces manually |
| 09:12.55 | directhex|work | Cheetah, gtk2 is a very pleasant toolkit in my experience. |
| 09:12.59 | tralala | Cheetah: a lot, according to an article I read about gtk vs qt |
| 09:13.20 | Guerin | tzafrir: file a bug at priority 'low' or 'wishlist' |
| 09:13.23 | directhex|work | tralala, yeah, because THOSE are never religious zealotry |
| 09:13.34 | Guerin | tzafrir: preferably with a patch :) |
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| 09:14.03 | Cheetah | oh well ;) |
| 09:14.17 | Cheetah | i will simply write the app on a mac and compile for linux using realbasic, then ;) |
| 09:14.38 | tralala | directhex|work: It sounded reasonably backed up, but you never know. I haven't coded in neither of them. |
| 09:15.20 | empty | nvz, it's just getting $angry++ |
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| 09:15.36 | directhex|work | tralala, i prefer the _look_ of gtk2 (and use a gtk2 wm), so i learnt gtk2. i can't comment on what qt is like to code with, but gtk2 was easy |
| 09:15.38 | empty | nvz, theres a volume normalization plugin for xmms |
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| 09:16.23 | empty | directhex, if something says it uses "standard GTK2 -- switches", is there one to minimize to 'systray' |
| 09:16.31 | tzafrir | I figured. I'll try to see when I can work on a patch |
| 09:16.54 | directhex|work | empty, no, that needs to be explicitly written into the program. the standard gtk2 switches are things like bonobo crap |
| 09:17.08 | phanter | when installing the xwindows in sarge. what do I need to install first (xserver-common/xserver-xfree86/xfrre86-common/something else)? |
| 09:17.12 | nvz | empty: if my system could handly xmms while I was backing up I would be listening to mp3s with cplay :P but instead I am just playing a cd in my DVD+RW which requires like no help from the system other than to send the command to play it, the cdrom knows how to do the rest, and the speakers are plugged directly into it |
| 09:17.12 | empty | directhex, well damn the man, thanks |
| 09:17.27 | directhex|work | phanter, x-window-system. |
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| 09:17.47 | empty | nvz, Ah, cool :) |
| 09:17.55 | directhex|work | empty, i've experimented with gtk2 tray icons, though the perl bindings for it are a little undocumented right now |
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| 09:18.30 | nvz | empty: my hardware could handle it, if I wasnt trying to make my K7 use P4 optimization techniques |
| 09:18.31 | stranger | well i don't see why people ask questions about debian....the stuff changes every month anyway....so i don't give a damn if the stuff ever works and i particularly hate using non-free hardware |
| 09:18.49 | phanter | directhex, and then? |
| 09:19.18 | Eclipser | non-free hardware? |
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| 09:20.05 | stranger | Eclipser, yes proprietary and restricted hardware designs inclusive of layouts, interfaces, microcode, firmware, etc |
| 09:20.13 | tralala | stranger: I would gladly accept recommendations on free hardware as long as it is useful. |
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| 09:20.51 | stranger | tralala, well uh...people are trying like opengraphics but nobody seems to give a damn |
| 09:21.02 | Eclipser | like me :) |
| 09:21.04 | tralala | nvz: I doubt that your problem has to do with the kernel optimizations. |
| 09:21.22 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 09:21.44 | tralala | stranger: I guess because it doen't seem to be even close to competitive. |
| 09:21.48 | nvz | tralala: well then whats wrong with it? |
| 09:21.56 | Noid | if i wanted to have a faster system, one that only needed mail and browser and whatever else fit there, if i loaded them into ram everything would be faster, right? any pointer to docs describing that? |
| 09:21.56 | directhex|work | stranger, in the end, people want something that does the job, cheaply & effectively. opengraphics will be none of these, assuming it even gets finished |
| 09:22.10 | stranger | tralala, who in the hell cares about that....we have been using broken stuff for 11 years and we never expect it to work |
| 09:22.29 | stranger | tralala, what we like is freedom whether it works good or not |
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| 09:22.53 | directhex|work | stranger, that's what YOU like. most people would disagree |
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| 09:23.06 | stranger | directhex, no they don't have any damn jobs and they dont' give a damn if the stuff ever works |
| 09:23.06 | directhex|work | stranger, do you own a portable music player? |
| 09:23.37 | stranger | directhex, no...i have no use for music |
| 09:23.52 | tralala | stranger: that's a valid point (the former) but when the broken stuff outperforms the working... as you said nobody gives a damn about it |
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| 09:23.58 | stranger | directhex, except i did like that crazy videogamepianist stuff |
| 09:24.45 | stranger | tralala, well i don't know what you mean by outperforms unless you mean all the wasted paper scrolls with /etc/printcap for all those years. |
| 09:25.08 | stranger | tralala, the stuff is shit, it always has been...but its free and we like it that way |
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| 09:25.40 | nvz | tralala: I've got an Athlon XP 1700+ w/ 512MB Ram and if I try playing music while downloading 10 or more things it starts skipping. Its running on a P4 optimized kernel I built for a different system |
| 09:26.02 | tralala | nvz: your disk is the bottleneck |
| 09:26.12 | directhex|work | stranger, outperforms is very simple to measure, in the domain of graphics cards. if foo product can render X features at Y triangles per second, and bar product can do 200 times that, bar product is outperforming |
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| 09:26.36 | stranger | directhex, but who gives a shit...nobody is looking at any graphics anyway |
| 09:26.57 | stranger | directhex, nobody cares what the triangles per second is...they just like to talk about it |
| 09:27.02 | CAiRO | is there a key combo in firefox to activate the address entry? |
| 09:27.02 | directhex|work | stranger, you're a very odd individual |
| 09:27.09 | Noid | indeed |
| 09:27.13 | nvz | tralala: its UATA/100 and currently DMA is on |
| 09:27.25 | tralala | stranger: you seem to controvert yourself |
| 09:27.28 | stranger | directhex, well look we could talk about semiphores and the use of spinlocks in the kernel but who in the hell cares |
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| 09:28.01 | Noid | stranger: the programmers, maybe? |
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| 09:28.10 | nvz | tralala: I've had this same drive on ~200mhz Pentium Pros with 64mb ram and no UATA or DMA and was able to do these things |
| 09:28.24 | apfel | Each time I start pornview there pops up another small window (besides the main window) showing a blonde lady. How can I get rid of this window? |
| 09:28.32 | stranger | Noid, no they don't either because they know there are many ways to implement these things and they have only chosen one way |
| 09:28.32 | tralala | nvz: did you measure the disk and cpu load? |
| 09:28.43 | spdf | apfel, not a big fan of blondes? |
| 09:29.12 | Noid | stranger: i don't quite follow your reasoning |
| 09:29.13 | apfel | spdf: Actually, no! |
| 09:29.14 | stranger | or we could talk about numa with nodes to be combined with pages and virtual memory....but who in the hell cares |
| 09:29.20 | nvz | tralala: no, I dont really know about that stuff. htop showed my cpu load at or below 55% the whole time it was doing it the other day when I checked |
| 09:29.38 | directhex|work | Noid, i think this is called paranois schizophrenia |
| 09:29.42 | directhex|work | *paranoid |
| 09:29.45 | stranger | the Brazilians sure won't talk about it...they say they have no chance in hell to ever understand it |
| 09:30.00 | nvz | tralala: giftd and apollon were using 90% of what cpu time was being used |
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| 09:30.16 | spdf | nvz, Do you have a digital audio cable connected to the cdrom? |
| 09:30.37 | nvz | spdf: I don't have any audio cables hooked to my DVD+RW |
| 09:30.43 | Noid | directhex|work: yeah, specially when bringing up random and obscure subjects in order to say that they don't matter or mean much |
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| 09:31.02 | spdf | nvz, So, playing audio from it skips on medium load? |
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| 09:31.20 | tralala | nvz: exactly what I expected. The cpu (and thus the optimizations) is not your bottleneck. |
| 09:31.22 | nvz | spdf: no playing mp3s skips, I cant play audio from a cd drive with no audio cable |
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| 09:31.39 | spdf | nvz, Oh.. I guess I missed the MP3 part.. :) |
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| 09:31.51 | directhex|work | nvz, you can, lame old apps can't. goobox for one will play using DAE |
| 09:31.55 | phanter | hello, i just installed x-window-system, but I do not want it to start automaticly |
| 09:32.01 | phanter | how tot do this |
| 09:32.06 | directhex|work | !tell phanter about nodm |
| 09:32.26 | nvz | directhex|work: *shrug* I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 09:32.30 | pango | phanter: change default runlevel in /etc/inittab |
| 09:32.56 | nvz | whoo hoo my backup is done |
| 09:33.08 | phanter | pango, change it to what? |
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| 09:33.24 | MassX | good morning |
| 09:33.26 | spdf | nvz, To play CD's without the DAC (the cable), XMMS for instance needs to be set to "software mode" (I'm wrong on that, but its similar).. |
| 09:33.35 | directhex|work | nvz, digital audio extraction. sending audio cd data over the ide cable, not a little analog audio cable, to be played back directly. a bit like what cdparanoia et al do to rip to wav. windows has done DAE by default instead of analog since windows 2000 |
| 09:33.35 | pango | phanter: mmmh my bad debian uses the same runlevel for starting X and the other services |
| 09:33.39 | spdf | nvz, The MP3 thing though, I've got nothing.. |
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| 09:33.57 | nvz | I am not talking about audio cds FFS |
| 09:34.01 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.03 | spdf | nvz, I know. :) |
| 09:34.09 | nvz | directhex|work: doesnt |
| 09:34.11 | nvz | apperently |
| 09:34.22 | directhex|work | nvz, what doesn't |
| 09:34.29 | pango | phanter: better remove S??[xgk]dm symlinks from /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 09:35.09 | resiak | !tell pango -about nodm |
| 09:35.11 | nvz | I am talking about my Athlon XP 1700+ w/ 512MB ram playing _MP3s_ with cplay and then I start apollon and have a few downloads going or open nautilus or something and it starts skipping |
| 09:35.15 | resiak | !tell phanter -about nodm |
| 09:35.22 | MassX | Guys Iam having a problem, I have a dedicated server from lycos, and the hosting is canceled, so when i try the "apt-get update" or "apt-get install build-essential" it makes errors and dont update, I want to know how to make it update from another mirrors |
| 09:35.26 | spdf | nvz, Do they skip when playing in another proram? |
| 09:35.42 | nvz | I dont play in other programs |
| 09:35.47 | spdf | nvz, Have you tried? |
| 09:35.47 | Teemu_K | MassX: what error says |
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| 09:35.55 | nvz | no |
| 09:36.00 | spdf | MassX, Use apt-setup to change the mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:36.07 | directhex|work | <nvz> spdf: no playing mp3s skips, I cant play audio from a cd drive with no audio cable |
| 09:36.22 | spdf | nvz, So.. Try another one? |
| 09:36.46 | MassX | Teemu_K: it says that error 404 page not found, iam sure it do this coz i didnot pay for the server hosting from the company, and i need to avoid that, and update from another mirrors |
| 09:36.50 | spdf | nvz, ie. XMMS, Rythmbox, etc... |
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| 09:36.56 | resiak | tarzeau: I was just wondering where the browser is on the GNUStep LiveCD. |
| 09:37.05 | nvz | I think I will just reinstall sarge now like I planned, and compile a kernel that actually is for my CPU, disk controller, etc.. and it will probably work just fine |
| 09:37.33 | nvz | I compiled this kernel for a DELL with a completly different CPU and disk controlelr |
| 09:37.39 | spdf | nvz, Perhaps.. Is giFT/Apollon writting alot to disk at the time? |
| 09:37.51 | nvz | probably |
| 09:38.21 | spdf | nvz, Could be skipping cause its jumping around the disk so much.. |
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| 09:38.37 | MassX | Teemu_K ? |
| 09:38.53 | tralala | 12:37 < spdf> MassX, Use apt-setup to change the mirror in |
| 09:38.54 | tralala | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.05 | nvz | *shrug* I just know I've done this shit exactly the same way with the exact same HD in way shittier PCs than this Athlon XP 1700+ w/ 512MB ram |
| 09:39.11 | MassX | ok |
| 09:39.16 | js | nvz: same sound card? |
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| 09:39.27 | spdf | nvz, It must be leprechauns... |
| 09:39.29 | nvz | js: no I was using a maestro2 before |
| 09:39.46 | tralala | MassX: It is a good and polite practice to follow the answers after you've asked a question. |
| 09:39.47 | nvz | probably got some ac97 piece of shit on the board in here |
| 09:39.47 | MassX | spdf: bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 09:39.53 | js | nvz: check if you can mess around with some kind of buffer setting |
| 09:40.18 | spdf | MassX, Okay, Edit /etc/apt/sources.list yourself, and add a different mirror.. give me a sec to get you the url to the list.. |
| 09:40.25 | hejux | i sovled my problem of gnome it is not the fault of sid source but...... |
| 09:40.27 | nvz | thats all stuff I will adress later. when I build a kernel for this system. I am fairly certain when I have the proper code for all the hardware it will work |
| 09:40.34 | MassX | spdf: ok |
| 09:40.36 | hejux | but i made a new file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/25xchinput-start |
| 09:40.37 | snoke | is there commad to libraries like which for apps? |
| 09:40.47 | nvz | my backup is done, I am ready to setup LVM and reinstall sarge |
| 09:40.49 | spdf | MassX, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 09:40.56 | hejux | even i donnt understand what 25xchinput-start is |
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| 09:40.59 | tralala | snoke: locate |
| 09:41.03 | MassX | ok |
| 09:41.06 | MassX | ty |
| 09:41.19 | spdf | MassX, Just change the address.. For example, ftp://ftp.tiscali.be/debian/ |
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| 09:41.42 | MassX | i cant get it. |
| 09:41.50 | spdf | MassX, Can't get what? |
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| 09:42.25 | MassX | what u mean? I put the new mirror as ftp://ftp.tiscali.be/debian/ ? |
| 09:42.56 | nvz | this Athlon XP system with a VIA 82C686 Apollo chipsets and shitty AC97 onboard crap is workign surprisingly well considering its runnign on a custom kernel I built for a P4, with a Intel PIIX chipset, and a ESS Maestro2 |
| 09:43.03 | spdf | MassX, In your /etc/apt/sources.list, you'll see something like "deb http://us.debian.org/debian/ main contrib non-free", change the http://us.debian.org/debian/ part... |
| 09:43.17 | spdf | MassX, Of course, yours may be different, adjust accordingly.. |
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| 09:43.19 | zOap | !debian-no |
| 09:43.19 | dpkg | hmm... debian-no is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
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| 09:43.28 | MassX | oki |
| 09:43.43 | nvz | if I still have problems with the new sarge install and a freshly built kernel then I can look at other things |
| 09:43.46 | enthusi | valdyn, hi again.Using /boot on hda works fine now. Thanks |
| 09:43.53 | spdf | nvz, Is it worth a reinstall? |
| 09:44.05 | spdf | nvz, Why not just compile/download a different kernel first? |
| 09:44.22 | js | nvz: what kernel is it you're building? |
| 09:44.26 | nvz | spdf: I am reinstalling because I have to wipe my drive to put LVM on, it has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 09:44.38 | stranger | nvz, well i think what he is trying to tell you is that you have a bottleneck in the disk i/o subsystem |
| 09:44.41 | spdf | nvz, Understood. God speed! |
| 09:45.00 | mikaEL` | in kde I keep receiving an error message : "Sorry-Control Center" - > Could not find mime type application/octet-stream ... |
| 09:45.00 | nvz | I dont know what kernel I will use. I had 2.4.29, but I dont know if I will use 2.4.31 or 2.6.11.11 or what |
| 09:45.03 | MassX | spdf: brother, they are many mirrors, i remove all and add one mirror only? |
| 09:45.04 | stranger | nvz, but you can play around with the DMA buffer and see if that helps some |
| 09:45.18 | spdf | MassX, Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into #flood? |
| 09:45.18 | solemnwarning | if i change time in bios will the time in my debian install follow? |
| 09:45.28 | MassX | ok |
| 09:45.31 | nvz | stranger: the disk i/o system I dont have a driver for right now? |
| 09:45.33 | nvz | :P |
| 09:45.42 | spdf | solemnwarning, it should.. |
| 09:45.44 | solemnwarning | k |
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| 09:45.50 | spdf | Bah.. stupid double windows |
| 09:45.51 | sep | solemnwarning: aye, but it's pointless, better to install ntpdate and ntp-simple |
| 09:45.55 | spdf | there.. fixed.. lol |
| 09:45.57 | solemnwarning | also, how can i change timezone? |
| 09:46.01 | stranger | nvz, well if you are downloading 10 files...they must be going somewhere while you are trying to listen to music |
| 09:46.03 | sep | solemnwarning: tzconfig |
| 09:46.06 | solemnwarning | k |
| 09:46.28 | maher | i'm looking for a uml hosting service - any recommendations? |
| 09:46.31 | spdf | Man.. my windows are all messed up.. |
| 09:46.52 | sep | spdf: it's a feature |
| 09:46.54 | solemnwarning | Your default time zone is set to 'Europe/London'. |
| 09:46.54 | solemnwarning | Local time is now: Thu Jun 16 11:50:48 BST 2005. |
| 09:47.00 | solemnwarning | why is it bst? |
| 09:47.05 | spdf | Made a new /window, and it went all crazy on me :) |
| 09:47.07 | solemnwarning | i cant get it to go to gmt |
| 09:47.07 | nvz | stranger: its going to be a world of difference with LVM on two different disk controllers and a kernel that actually has drivers for _THIS_ system. I am sure. until then I am not going to waste effort troubleshooting the issue any |
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| 09:47.28 | sep | solemnwarning: bst = british summer time |
| 09:47.45 | sep | iirc |
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| 09:48.24 | stranger | nvz, well i don't blame you...it is always wise to wait for the next version of some program, library, or driver which changes every day anyway.....and in its neverending state of flux...you may get something to work eventually |
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| 09:49.38 | nvz | stranger: like I said this kernel is custom made for a completly different system it has optimizations for a completly different brand of cpu, has disk drivers for a completly different disk controller.. until I fix that I am not looking any further |
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| 09:49.53 | stranger | nvz, that sounds wise to me |
| 09:50.10 | tralala | spdf: /window hide |
| 09:50.20 | nvz | right now I am taking the system down to remove my backup drive, and put in the other drives I will be putting LVM on |
| 09:50.28 | nvz | then I am going to reinstall sarge |
| 09:50.41 | nvz | I wonder if I should burn a new netinstall image |
| 09:50.54 | nvz | I burnt last when D-I was like Beta 4 or something |
| 09:51.30 | notty | hello i just installed debian on a system and i get this error: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:<3> irc 177: nobody cared! / handlers [<de8462ac>] (ata_interrupt +0x0/0x148 [libata]) / Disabling IRQ 177 / ata1: command 0x25 timeout / p1 p2 < and the system stays like that. nay ideea ? |
| 09:51.44 | resiak | nvz: It can't hurt to use a new one. |
| 09:51.44 | spdf | nvz, should be fine, it'll update what it needs to.. |
| 09:52.07 | spdf | tralala, lol, thanks :) |
| 09:52.16 | js | nvz: i had problems with skipping with old 2.6 kernels and 2.4, but using the latest 2.6 i have no problems at all |
| 09:52.20 | tralala | spdf: stop loling, please |
| 09:52.26 | spdf | tralala, Understood. |
| 09:52.44 | spdf | Guess I'm in that sort of mood.. |
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| 09:53.21 | resiak | solemnwarning: Why do you want your local time to be GMT? |
| 09:53.29 | nvz | well I want to setup LVM and I dont know shit about LVM.. I am hoping D-I makes it easy |
| 09:53.36 | stranger | notty, my idea is try something else. |
| 09:53.42 | solemnwarning | because i thought gmt is zone im in |
| 09:53.51 | notty | stranger: what to you mean ? |
| 09:53.56 | resiak | solemnwarning: Where are you? |
| 09:53.56 | stranger | notty, hell if at first you don't succeed....just try something else. |
| 09:54.05 | nvz | the mirror I got when I clicked on teh i386 link is slow.. I am only getting between 40-60kb/s |
| 09:54.13 | notty | stranger: i started using debian in 98.. it's not my first install |
| 09:54.23 | nvz | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:54.30 | nvz | hmm.. |
| 09:54.31 | stranger | notty, well what kernel are you using |
| 09:54.42 | nvz | thats not the url I am downloading from |
| 09:54.43 | notty | stranger: 2.6.8 |
| 09:54.44 | stranger | notty, because they have been deprecating a lot of stuff lately |
| 09:54.52 | nvz | yet thats what I copied from the link |
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| 09:55.39 | nvz | says test0.acc.umu.se in my d/l window |
| 09:55.52 | stranger | notty, well for the scsi stuff try a 2.4 kernel with some backpatches as necessary |
| 09:56.15 | solemnwarning | gosport |
| 09:56.20 | nvz | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ only shows me sweden urls is probably why its slow |
| 09:56.23 | nvz | I am in the US :P |
| 09:56.24 | SeerKan | nvz: i pasted on flood ... can you tell me how can i install a zlib library ? i need to run a eggdrop on my server |
| 09:56.32 | wim | hey... Any known bugs in apt-build in sarge? I am getting errors using 'apt-build build-source <package>'! |
| 09:56.35 | minded | stranger: can't notty just modconf these scsi mods out? |
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| 09:56.55 | spdf | SeerKan, apt-get install zlibc |
| 09:56.55 | nvz | SeerKan: how about just installing the bot instead of building it |
| 09:57.02 | stranger | minded, apparently he has scsi hardware that no longer works with the newer kernels |
| 09:57.10 | resiak | solemnwarning: IE you're in the UK |
| 09:57.18 | tralala | !tell wim -about bts |
| 09:57.22 | stranger | minded, and he says he has been using the old kernels ok |
| 09:57.28 | nvz | SeerKan: eggdrop is in debian as a binary package |
| 09:57.31 | minded | stranger: guess you're right |
| 09:57.33 | notty | stranger: it's sata... and i don't think it's a problem with compability |
| 09:57.38 | stranger | minded, but a lot has been deprecated |
| 09:57.53 | wim | tell wim -about bts |
| 09:57.57 | wim | ? |
| 09:57.59 | minded | stranger: i see |
| 09:58.02 | spdf | SeerKan, and probably zlib1g-dev (what are you building?) |
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| 09:58.03 | nvz | SeerKan: and even if for whatever reason you wanted to build, if you used the debian source package, it would automatically pull in dependencies |
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| 09:58.06 | rosco_ | hi guys |
| 09:58.07 | wim | got it... |
| 09:58.10 | resiak | solemnwarning: The UK is only GMT in the winter. In summer, we're an hour out of GMT, aka BST |
| 09:58.21 | nvz | as like I said, its in debian |
| 09:58.31 | rosco_ | It there a tool to autodetect slave disks that are ntfs type ? (sarge) |
| 09:58.42 | stranger | notty, well i don't see consistency in your statements...you say you are using sata but you were running kernels fine in 98 |
| 09:58.45 | rosco_ | and to add them to fstab ? |
| 09:58.51 | stranger | notty, i don't remember sata being around then |
| 09:58.53 | spdf | stranger, That's 6+ years ago.. |
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| 09:59.00 | pango | ok, fixed my problem. Restore didn't create /sys, so udev didn't populate /dev when starting, and hell broke loose |
| 09:59.09 | notty | stranger: huh ? |
| 09:59.10 | nvz | so is this slow sweden mirror the only netinstall mirror for stable or what? |
| 09:59.24 | fas3r | hi all |
| 09:59.27 | fas3r | anybody use vmware 5? |
| 09:59.30 | nvz | its going to take me an hour to d/l a new cd from sweden |
| 09:59.34 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 09:59.34 | directhex|work | fas3r, not recently |
| 09:59.34 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:59.40 | sep | !tell nvz about mirrors |
| 09:59.50 | stranger | notty, anyway nobody cares about sata...that is restricted and proprietary hardware |
| 09:59.51 | fas3r | because i dont find a serial number |
| 09:59.55 | sep | nvz there are mirrors everywhere lots and lots of em too |
| 09:59.58 | stranger | notty, we have no interest in supporting that |
| 10:00.15 | djace | why is sid literally unstable now? :P |
| 10:00.22 | stranger | notty, that would be like supporting MS for nothing |
| 10:00.25 | hejux | is sid gnome 2.10 for debian ok ？ |
| 10:00.25 | tralala | !aolify fas3r |
| 10:00.26 | spdf | djace, Is it ever anything other than that? :) |
| 10:00.34 | directhex|work | notty, i suggest you ignore stranger, he seems to have some rather odd mental issues |
| 10:00.42 | spdf | "Seems" |
| 10:00.49 | djace | spdf: well, its pretty usable at times, thats why i'm asking :) |
| 10:00.54 | notty | ok, i got that waring twice :) |
| 10:00.57 | resiak | hejux: The BTS probably knows :) |
| 10:01.03 | spdf | djace, I don't think it installs at all right now |
| 10:01.12 | spdf | djace, gnome that is.. |
| 10:01.12 | notty | still google dosen't help me verry much ... |
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| 10:01.36 | directhex|work | notty, what controller is the disk connecte dto? |
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| 10:01.54 | hejux | BTS？ |
| 10:01.55 | nvz | sep: I dont want package mirrors, I want Sarge i386 netinstall mirrors I went to www.debian.org and surfed through looking for sarge netinstall to http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and all it shows is sweden |
| 10:01.56 | djace | spdf: you know if theres a website with that info, or something? |
| 10:02.22 | nvz | sep: I cant seem to find a i386 netinstall on ftp.us.debian.org or any other random debian package mirror |
| 10:02.49 | freet15 | exit .... see u guys |
| 10:02.50 | tralala | !tell djace -about break |
| 10:03.03 | notty | directhex: one second to check that out for sure |
| 10:03.06 | resiak | !tell hejux -about bts |
| 10:03.23 | directhex|work | fas3r, your serial number came with your order from vmware. check your email inbox. |
| 10:03.52 | bob2 | nvz: package mirrors don't generally store cd images |
| 10:04.06 | bob2 | the swedish cdimage machine has unglodly amounts of bandqwidth, tho |
| 10:04.16 | nvz | bob2: I know that, sep is the one that told dpkg to tell me about mirrors |
| 10:04.46 | nvz | I just want to know where the hell I can get a faster local mirror for Sarge Netinstall for i386, because http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ only shows sweden for me |
| 10:04.50 | notty | directhex|work it's a sis controller on a via chipset motherboard |
| 10:05.10 | directhex|work | notty, i have no experience with sata-sis |
| 10:05.16 | sep | nvz: i just usualy grab the installer from the packagemirror, since my no mirror carried it i assumed everyone did, perhaps i was wrong |
| 10:05.20 | nvz | its going to take an hour or more from this mirror and I will probably be asleep by then |
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| 10:05.40 | spdf | nvz, http://farbror.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:05.41 | directhex|work | what's the correct method to boot off users who are ssh'd to a machine? |
| 10:05.59 | nvz | I am already on test0.acc.umu.se, thats still in sweden |
| 10:06.03 | nvz | I am in US |
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| 10:06.06 | tralala | notty: do a little bit of research - try another kernel/distro |
| 10:06.18 | notty | directhex|work: on the system that i am talking from i have same thing (sis with sata) and it works fine... |
| 10:06.20 | anymous | hello, is pkginfo and pkgtrans available for Debian, mentioned in the alien manpage to create solaris packages. |
| 10:06.28 | spdf | nvz, okay, http://ftp.lug.ro/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:06.39 | petemc | anymous: /msg dpkg search, tho id doubt it |
| 10:06.39 | resiak | directhex|work: slay? |
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| 10:07.09 | sep | nvz: ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/ you dont have anything smilar for ftp.us.debian.org ? |
| 10:07.12 | anymous | petemc: no mention in debian archive, but why does alien offer to create those packages? |
| 10:07.16 | directhex|work | resiak, apparently not. "skill" seems to have left some kind of evil zombies lying about |
| 10:07.24 | petemc | anymous: its a versatile tool, why not |
| 10:07.26 | directhex|work | resiak, screw it, if the users' data gets corrupted, that's their fault |
| 10:07.29 | spdf | nvz, would you prefer a torrent? |
| 10:07.36 | resiak | directhex|work: Heh |
| 10:07.49 | anymous | petemc: you mean compile alien for solaris and run there? |
| 10:08.03 | nvz | spdf: thats even slower than the Sweden mirror, it has a business card iso, thats 1/10th the size, but it will take twice as long to download as the full netinstall from sweden |
| 10:08.05 | stranger | notty, well you just don't seem to get it man...this is about freedom and "social contract" to destroy restricted and proprietary stuff like MS...and the same goes for hardware also |
| 10:08.19 | spdf | nvz, http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/bt-cd/ There's 81 peers on that torrent there.. |
| 10:08.38 | spdf | nvz, 81 seeds rater, and 3 leechers.. |
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| 10:08.40 | tarzeau | resiak: which version? 0.9.4.2 ? it has links2, dillo and mozilla-bitch-firefox |
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| 10:08.48 | notty | stranger: buy me a scsi hdd... send it here.. and i will throw away my sata hdd.. is that good ? |
| 10:09.01 | nvz | I am ready for bed.. just thinking about wasting time installing torrent software and all that is more time than I wanted to take |
| 10:09.08 | stranger | notty, unless you want to be enslaved in never ending and costly eula upgrades or proprietary and costly hardware upgrades |
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| 10:09.15 | iostream | Hi. Where can i find a list of the content on the official debian CD's? E.g. on which CD is package "foo" located? |
| 10:09.20 | nvz | I expected to be done installing sarge by now |
| 10:09.21 | sep | nvz ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
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| 10:09.25 | petemc | nvz: apt-get install bittorrent , hardly a lengthy process |
| 10:09.31 | sep | !tell iostream about pdo |
| 10:09.33 | spdf | stranger, Stop. Its weird. |
| 10:09.45 | hejux | i am now under gnome 2.8 ,replace sarge to sid and upgrade will take me to gnome 2.10 ? |
| 10:09.59 | sep | iostream: dont know if it mentions the cd now that i think about it, but i'd look there atlest |
| 10:10.03 | nvz | for 3 years there were sarge netinstall links on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ then it releases, and there is only a sweden link there |
| 10:10.08 | simonrvn | hejux: s/sarge/etch/ |
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| 10:10.12 | stranger | spdf, well that is what it is all about...i suggest you read over at gnu or fsf or debian social contract |
| 10:10.13 | spdf | hejux, if it doesn't break your system.. maybe. |
| 10:10.20 | karwos | how to upgrade my ddebian |
| 10:10.21 | spdf | stranger, Thanks. |
| 10:10.29 | spdf | karwos, From what to what? |
| 10:10.38 | karwos | Woody+backports -> latest sarge i think ;] |
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| 10:10.46 | hejux | spdf: is that the right way to update gnome ? |
| 10:10.50 | iostream | sep: sep packages.debian.org currently down? |
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| 10:10.52 | karwos | or maybe i should stay with the |
| 10:10.59 | MassX | spdf: where is the list? |
| 10:11.00 | karwos | backports.org |
| 10:11.00 | karwos | ;] |
| 10:11.06 | simonrvn | n0o, move to sarge |
| 10:11.11 | resiak | tarzeau: I could see no icons. I'm probably blind. |
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| 10:11.20 | simonrvn | no even (WTF did that stray 0 creep in?) |
| 10:11.25 | minded | simonrvn: why not itch? |
| 10:11.33 | sep | iostream: i dont know, i have big trouble reaching it also |
| 10:11.42 | directhex|work | karwos, read the sarge release notes |
| 10:11.45 | resiak | hejux: Do you understand the implications of moving to Sid? |
| 10:11.55 | simonrvn | i be tnot |
| 10:11.57 | MassX | someone help please, I need a good list for "apt-get" |
| 10:11.59 | Noid | what is the command that, given a name, returns you the ip? |
| 10:12.09 | sep | nvz: and i can find that mini.iso intaller on a lot of the european package mirrors. |
| 10:12.16 | nvz | fuck it, I am going to sleep. I expected to be way past downloaded, burned, and installed by now.. and getting started on more pressing issues |
| 10:12.18 | tralala | Noid: host |
| 10:12.24 | Noid | tralala: thanks |
| 10:12.38 | spdf | nvz, The torrent is fast.. I was getting 600k/s for the 20 seconds I was connected to it.. |
| 10:12.52 | nvz | I will just use my really old D-I cd in about 8+hours |
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| 10:13.41 | hejux | resiak : no i don't understand ,i think debian gives us a simple way to update to new system ?! |
| 10:13.49 | nvz | I dont know or care how torrents work.. last time I isntalled bittorrent it kept opening firefox and sending me to some website with a picture of an ugly poor guy wanting money from me or something |
| 10:14.00 | notty | i searched google for my sata problem and found this bug in debian : http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/05/msg00419.html how can i see if it was fixed or not ? |
| 10:14.22 | nvz | I wanted to d/l an image from http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ in links, burn it and be done by now... now I am just tired and cranky and dont care anymore |
| 10:14.22 | spdf | hejux, Going to Sid is not an update. It's an invitation for breakage.. |
| 10:14.34 | tralala | notty: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 10:15.25 | coulix | is there a command which ll merge the total space of my hard drive to see how much there is totaly ? |
| 10:15.29 | MassX | Someone help me please, my "apt-get" list is not working, coz i closed my hosting account for the root, I need to update the "apt-get" list coz when i try "apt-get update" i get errors like error 404 page not found, someone help please. |
| 10:15.35 | tralala | hejux: you should not use sid unless you are: a) a developer; b) a tester; c) desparate for bleeding edge |
| 10:15.43 | resiak | !tell hejux -about sid faq |
| 10:16.01 | tralala | !aolify MassX |
| 10:16.04 | spdf | coulix, df |
| 10:16.06 | resiak | MassX: man apt-setup |
| 10:16.12 | coulix | yes but df show a list |
| 10:16.14 | coulix | i want a total |
| 10:16.23 | spdf | coulix, df + a calculator.. |
| 10:16.24 | jim | coulix: add em |
| 10:16.30 | MassX | resiak: bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 10:16.36 | coulix | haha |
| 10:16.39 | MassX | spdf: iam lost now! |
| 10:16.46 | hejux | resiak: so , i'll wait sarge Debs gnome 2.10 in ? |
| 10:17.00 | spdf | hejux, That crazy plan might just work! |
| 10:17.03 | notty | hmmm.. it dosen't say on the bts that the bug was or wasn't solved |
| 10:17.18 | spdf | notty, If it doesn't say its solved, than its not.. |
| 10:17.23 | jim | coulix: serious... that's what shell scripting is about... taking the numbers you're interested in from a body of structured text and adding em all together... it can't do anything else... |
| 10:17.31 | resiak | hejux: Sarge will never have Gnome 2.10 |
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| 10:17.56 | jim | well, ok, so it can do a few other things... you'll just have to "info bash" and see :) |
| 10:17.58 | vijay | hi all |
| 10:18.00 | spdf | hejux, You could update to testing (etch), it'll go there.. |
| 10:18.03 | resiak | hejux: You probably want to move to Etch |
| 10:18.05 | sep | MassX: what debian version are you running ? |
| 10:18.15 | spdf | sep, He's using Woody with backports.. |
| 10:18.38 | simonrvn | i told him that 10 minutes ago.... |
| 10:18.45 | simonrvn | (hejux + etch) |
| 10:18.45 | hejux | it is already testing now |
| 10:18.47 | MassX | spdf: ....? |
| 10:18.49 | resiak | !tell MassX -about mirrors |
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| 10:19.01 | jim | hejux: or you can compile them from raw source, learning how to configure the build and do the build... |
| 10:19.05 | resiak | MassX: And man sources.list |
| 10:19.07 | spdf | MassX, I can't fix your sources.list, it hurts my face to look at it.. |
| 10:19.12 | vijay | i have a driver file pl2303 for a usb to serial modem. How to install this |
| 10:19.13 | vijay | driver file? |
| 10:19.23 | vijay | pl2303.o |
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| 10:19.30 | jim | (everyone here seems to say compiling from source is not recommended. bullshit.) |
| 10:19.40 | simonrvn | jim: dude, he has a problem moving to etch and editing sources.list, don't go suggesting that he build stuff |
| 10:20.05 | spdf | vijay, Was it compiled for the kernel you're currently using? |
| 10:20.06 | jim | why not? maybe it'll convince him he should also learn C |
| 10:20.09 | stranger | jim, well sometimes it is not that easy...especially if you have conflicting headers laying around |
| 10:20.10 | simonrvn | he's not ready yet... |
| 10:20.20 | streuner | jim: we arent running gentoo |
| 10:20.23 | jim | not for us to decide. |
| 10:20.37 | sep | jim: you must crawl before you can walk, and trying to run and jump right from the start only makes you fall on your face |
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| 10:20.39 | stranger | jim, i heard ubuntu was trying to straighten some of that out for their next breezy version |
| 10:20.49 | stranger | jim, but who knows if they ever will |
| 10:20.55 | simonrvn | sep: exactly. one step at a time, in the right order. |
| 10:21.05 | vijay | spdf: no. i got it from net. i have pl2303.c file. do i need to compile it |
| 10:21.05 | vijay | for my kernel...if yes then how? |
| 10:21.23 | jim | why does debian go to its great pains to keep the compiler tools in working order, even in the most unstable experimental dists? |
| 10:21.27 | spdf | vijay, Is p12303.c the only file you have? |
| 10:21.42 | tralala | !fgi vijay usb+modem+howto |
| 10:21.43 | dpkg | vijay: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=usb+modem+howto |
| 10:21.44 | streuner | simonrvn: How is that relevant in #debian? |
| 10:21.48 | jim | bottom line: you can build yourself, if you can figure it out |
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| 10:21.53 | simonrvn | jim: would be stupid not to, just like the rest of the OS |
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| 10:22.07 | stranger | jim, at the moment it is currently insane...you get Dependency A only compiles with an old version of Dependency B which only compile with a new version of Dependency C which only compiles with an old version of Dependency D...and so on |
| 10:22.07 | simonrvn | streuner: what? |
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| 10:22.27 | streuner | simonrvn: what ubuntu folks doing or not? |
| 10:22.29 | simonrvn | streuner: misfire of your tab there methinks |
| 10:22.45 | jim | the toolchain deserves special recognition, because it builds the entire rest of the dist... actually, s/rest of the // |
| 10:22.48 | Assid | hrmm.. i booted a new kernel.. and WHAM.. no video.. no keyboard |
| 10:22.52 | vijay | spdf: i have a patch file and also a one header file |
| 10:22.52 | Assid | weird |
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| 10:22.54 | streuner | simonrvn: oh, sorry |
| 10:22.57 | jim | it even builds itself |
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| 10:23.09 | Assid | thats when i updated from 2.4-> 2.6 (vanilla) |
| 10:23.27 | streuner | stranger: just listen what i asked simonrvn ;-) |
| 10:23.57 | jim | stranger: so he'd have to keep a separate build env too |
| 10:24.00 | tralala | Assid: this is why we don't use vanilla kernels |
| 10:24.05 | spdf | Assid, Okay. Breathe. Let's start at the beginning. |
| 10:24.17 | tralala | and we don't build ourselfs |
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| 10:24.25 | ludwig__ | qualcuno in italiano? |
| 10:24.35 | streuner | !it |
| 10:24.35 | dpkg | methinks italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 10:24.35 | jim | !it |
| 10:24.39 | spdf | vijay, What brand/model of modem? |
| 10:24.39 | stranger | jim, well i have been there...done that...and it is currently insane |
| 10:24.40 | sussudio | !tasso ludwig__ |
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| 10:24.41 | dpkg | ludwig__: tasso tasso tasso tasso fungo fungo serpente! serpente! |
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| 10:24.59 | stranger | jim, it needs a lot of cleanup to get the versions all coherent |
| 10:25.04 | jim | stranger: wouldn't that make it currently not doable? |
| 10:25.17 | Assid | tralala: i have another box which has sarge.. and i loaded 2.6 straight out.. then i installed a src 2.6 and it worked fine.. |
| 10:25.20 | Assid | this doesnt |
| 10:25.25 | stranger | jim, no it is doable and mostly works...but extremely difficult |
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| 10:25.32 | jim | if it can't even be compiled at all, it won't be available in a dist soon :) |
| 10:25.37 | stranger | jim, they are trying to straighten it out now |
| 10:26.00 | jim | sure, I have no doubt of that part :) |
| 10:26.12 | tralala | Assid: because, it's different |
| 10:26.23 | vijay | spdf: i am using a relianc CDMA cell phone. its a LG2030 phone |
| 10:26.25 | vijay | Jun 16 07:27:44 vijaylaptop kernel: usbserial.c: USB Serial support |
| 10:26.25 | vijay | registered for Generic |
| 10:26.26 | vijay | Jun 16 07:27:44 vijaylaptop kernel: usbserial.c: USB Serial Driver core v1.4 |
| 10:26.27 | vijay | Jun 16 07:27:44 vijaylaptop kernel: usbserial.c: USB Serial support |
| 10:26.28 | vijay | registered for PL-2303 |
| 10:26.28 | vijay | Jun 16 07:27:44 vijaylaptop kernel: usbserial.c: PL-2303 converter detected |
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| 10:26.33 | Assid | so is there something i need to do .. to make my kernel work ? |
| 10:26.34 | spdf | retard. |
| 10:26.44 | jim | vijay: another one bites the dust... |
| 10:26.50 | paulswm | *sigh* first thing I see this morning |
| 10:27.03 | spdf | paulswm, Good morning. |
| 10:27.03 | jim | vijay: for next time, why not put it on some web page |
| 10:27.04 | tralala | :) |
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| 10:27.10 | resiak | debhelper: You had slow reactions |
| 10:27.13 | stranger | jim, but it is just crazy right now because you find that version 1.37 of this does not compile against 1.3 of that but does against 1.2 of that....so it is hell right now |
| 10:27.16 | paulswm | Good morning, spdf! |
| 10:27.16 | simonrvn | he hasn't come back yet... |
| 10:27.16 | jim | oh, he's not back yet :) |
| 10:27.32 | Assid | tralala: am i missing any special packages for this? |
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| 10:27.39 | nse | italian is the most beautiful language in the world.. |
| 10:27.50 | jim | vijay: for next time, why not put it on some web page |
| 10:27.54 | tralala | Assid: did you apt-get install kernel-image-2.6? |
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| 10:27.59 | spdf | !tell vijay about pate |
| 10:28.01 | spdf | !tell vijay about paste |
| 10:28.03 | vijay | sorry |
| 10:28.07 | resiak | !pate |
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| 10:28.08 | Assid | i did.. but it tried to update my lilo only |
| 10:28.09 | jim | pate is liver! |
| 10:28.11 | tralala | !topicsmite vijay |
| 10:28.12 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon vijay. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 10:28.13 | spdf | mmm. meat. |
| 10:28.17 | antgel | am sizing a ups for first time. machine is a "server", but actually just standard atx pc, two ide drives, ide cd-rom, radeon 9000 video card. i doubt it's near the PSU 400W capacity - any guesstimates of real world power consumption for a shutdown? |
| 10:28.24 | resiak | dpkg: You infidel! |
| 10:28.29 | Assid | also.. i do want to use a src install just for the hell of it |
| 10:28.30 | jim | !pate is liver! |
| 10:28.30 | dpkg | okay, jim |
| 10:28.38 | resiak | Hahah |
| 10:28.58 | tralala | Assid: well you have the hell of it now. Does this make you happy? |
| 10:29.12 | R_engel | speakng in Russian |
| 10:29.27 | resiak | !ru |
| 10:29.27 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 10:29.38 | jim | Assid: start by building simple things... hello package comes to mind; you get that, read all the files, build, run |
| 10:29.45 | jim | it say HI! |
| 10:30.02 | Assid | hrmm.. as i said. ive built it before.. it works on my other box |
| 10:30.13 | Assid | just here.. it doesnt |
| 10:30.26 | jim | the hello package is small, and will not only introduce you to building things, but also to packaging things |
| 10:30.45 | tralala | Assid: and now you understand why debian provides a package for the kernel |
| 10:30.49 | tarzeau | Assid: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
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| 10:31.15 | jim | tralala: in order to provide for installation of debian... they always have |
| 10:31.22 | tralala | apt-get install will work on all the machines that you have |
| 10:31.38 | spdf | Such a beautiful thing.. |
| 10:31.40 | SeerKan | there's a webpage where i cand see what i have to do to update my kernel ? |
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| 10:31.44 | jim | even your clock radio! |
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| 10:32.13 | Assid | yes.. i know there are debian packages for the kernel.. but why cant i use the source version? |
| 10:32.30 | phanter | hello, I have a Soundblaster AWE Gold. How do I install this in debian? |
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| 10:32.41 | jim | SeerKan: you have a lot of choices... you can install a prebuilt but later kernel... you can build one into a debian package (this one is challenging) |
| 10:32.42 | tralala | Assid: because you are too lazy to read the documents or too stupid to understand them |
| 10:32.43 | tarzeau | phanter: isa ? |
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| 10:32.49 | antgel | Assid: you can if you configure it correctly. |
| 10:32.51 | tarzeau | phanter: www.linuks.mine.nu/sussudio/ which of these? |
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| 10:33.20 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 10:33.45 | ribnitz | If my lvm logical volumes tend to fragment, should I be concerned? |
| 10:33.53 | jim | the way I look at kernel builds, is: as long as the person can arrange to boot an existing and known-working kernel, he's got a safety net |
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| 10:33.59 | spdf | ribnitz, how much fragmenting? |
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| 10:34.17 | ribnitz | spdf: a 30GB volume in 5 pars. |
| 10:34.20 | ribnitz | er parts. |
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| 10:34.40 | ribnitz | (I am not talking about Filesystem fragmentation) |
| 10:34.41 | SeerKan | jim ... what do u recomend me ? |
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| 10:35.08 | tralala | ribnitz: well the way I see it lvm is designed so the volumes can be fragmented |
| 10:35.12 | SeerKan | and pls tell me a link with documentation for your recomandation |
| 10:35.17 | jim | SeerKan: that you first note why you want to do it |
| 10:35.20 | tralala | which makes me think it can handle it |
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| 10:35.37 | jim | SeerKan: that won't always be possible... |
| 10:35.38 | ribnitz | tralala: yes, but each fragment will cause a performance hit. |
| 10:35.49 | SeerKan | jim: i want to have my server secure.... |
| 10:35.54 | phanter | tarzeau, i think it is isa, yes |
| 10:35.59 | jim | SeerKan: some possibilities you will have to research yourself |
| 10:36.16 | ribnitz | tralala: with each fragment, the chance the a file is at a boundary of twp volumes will increase. |
| 10:36.25 | tralala | ribnitz: not if they are on different disks, and lvm causes a performance hit anyway |
| 10:36.26 | tarzeau | phanter: where did you find the that old computer that still has isa bus and slots? |
| 10:36.28 | jim | SeerKan: I'm not a security consultant, so I can't advise you effectively |
| 10:36.35 | SeerKan | that's what asked for ... a website with domentation about kernel update |
| 10:36.46 | stranger | jim, and it actually gets much worse from there....for example to compile vorbistools...you need to find some secret libyes which doesn't exist so you have to go change all the source code to get a compile and make it work |
| 10:36.46 | jim | but if it's working now, why change? |
| 10:36.48 | ribnitz | tralala: they are on the same disk, some of them even adjacent. |
| 10:36.57 | stranger | jim, so as you can see it is crazy |
| 10:37.01 | bobbens | phanter: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-oss then run alsaconf -> search for isa cards |
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| 10:37.04 | phanter | tarzeau, hahaha, well its on oldie indeed, but perfectly fine |
| 10:37.28 | stranger | jim, same thing with playmidi...several changes there too |
| 10:37.30 | SeerKan | jim: I don't want "hackers" on my server ... that's why... |
| 10:37.47 | tralala | ribnitz: it is really simple - the more fragments you have the worse the performance will be (on a signle disk). |
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| 10:37.59 | jim | stranger: which means that under the current situation, nothing he can do will get him the gnome he wants, because it's very difficult if not impossible to build (today, anyway) |
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| 10:38.10 | ribnitz | tralala: yes, how can I circumvent that? |
| 10:38.14 | tralala | This is the tradeoff with the lvm - performance vs ease of maintainance |
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| 10:38.32 | stranger | jim, it is not impossible but takes a long time to find the right sequence of versions that will compile properly |
| 10:38.42 | jim | SeerKan: there's only one way to guarantee that,,, and if you do that, your server won't be so useful, disconnected from the net as it would have to be... |
| 10:38.51 | SeerKan | :)) |
| 10:39.01 | stranger | jim, it is because of the damn wrappers where the most difficult problems are |
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| 10:39.09 | ribnitz | tralala: the ability to assign space as needed, and grow volumes is worth quite a bit. |
| 10:39.18 | SeerKan | jim: but can u tell me pls a website where can i find useful documentation about kernel updating ? |
| 10:39.18 | antgel | am sizing a ups for first time. machine is a "server", but actually just standard atx pc, two ide drives, ide cd-rom, radeon 9000 video card. i doubt it's near the PSU 400W capacity - any guesstimates of real world power consumption for a shutdown? |
| 10:39.22 | stranger | jim, because the wrappers while new seem to be written against older c libs |
| 10:39.25 | tralala | ribnitz: indeed |
| 10:39.28 | antgel | it's an athlon xp 2600 |
| 10:39.41 | stranger | jim, so you have to go find all the right versions that work and that takes a long time |
| 10:39.41 | directhex|work | antgel, any cheap ups will do |
| 10:39.46 | jim | SeerKan: what do you want to do? build your own? |
| 10:39.57 | SeerKan | jim: yes |
| 10:40.02 | jim | start with the README file that comes in the kernel source |
| 10:40.03 | tralala | ribnitz: actually the fragmentation is comming at PE level not at LV |
| 10:40.06 | stranger | jim, plus like i said...you have to alter lots of code for cases like vorbistools where there is no libyes |
| 10:40.23 | SeerKan | jim: and after :) ? |
| 10:40.24 | tralala | or VG |
| 10:40.27 | jim | do you already know how to build kernels? |
| 10:40.39 | jim | follow the readme. |
| 10:40.44 | Assid | okay kernel image didnt work for me either |
| 10:40.57 | ribnitz | tralala: 1 PE defaults to 4 MBytes, which is like 1k disk blocks. |
| 10:41.03 | SeerKan | jim: if i knew ... why should i ask about tutorials ?:) ... i want to learn |
| 10:41.07 | jim | first -read- the readme... and after, do what the readme suggests (or pick one of the choices) |
| 10:41.23 | tralala | ribnitz: I don't remember the lvm definitions by hard but the logical volume is the term for lvm partition |
| 10:41.32 | jim | SeerKan: the readme is a more challenging way than a tutorial |
| 10:41.36 | optik | hey, just seen tht the latest release of debian in on 2 DVD's..... are they both needed? |
| 10:41.41 | jethro | @annoy tralala |
| 10:41.42 | ravenbird | tralala: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 10:41.43 | tralala | so you can't have files jumping between the lvs |
| 10:41.44 | jim | and I don't know of any tutorials |
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| 10:42.09 | SeerKan | jim: i don't want it to be chalenging ... i want it to be useful ... and explicit |
| 10:42.14 | ribnitz | tralala: the smallest unit is PE, and several PE can be a LE. By default, one pe defaults to 4 mb space. |
| 10:42.17 | tralala | jethro: :) |
| 10:42.18 | stranger | jim, and for cases like rekall where there is no damn makefile at all and no way to build one....you have to compile each piece by hand in the right order |
| 10:42.35 | directhex|work | antgel, http://www.apcc.com/tools/ups_selector/index.cfm?action=build_form_a&device_type=workstation&app_type=workstation&showChassis=1&showMonitor=1&showProcessor=1&showVoltages=1&showIntDrives=1&showPeripherals=1&showPrinter=1&appUsed=basic&cgi_referer_check=&return_query_string= |
| 10:42.44 | spdf | optik, All that's really needed is CD1 (of the non-dvd's) |
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| 10:42.46 | stranger | jim, so what i am telling you is that it is not impossible but takes a long long time |
| 10:42.48 | SeerKan | jim: and in the readme are tons of bla bla bla's ... |
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| 10:43.25 | optik | spdf: what is the bloat on all the others then? |
| 10:43.37 | tralala | ribnitz: I don't really care. If you don't want to have files jumping at different physical areas of the disk make sure that your LVs are not build up from physically separated components |
| 10:43.42 | spdf | optik, Uh. 16,000 packages... |
| 10:43.42 | jim | SeerKan: unfortunately kernel building -is- challenging, because you have to make the decisions as to what to build into your kernel, what options on each thing should be, what should not be built into the kernel and instead be built as modules |
| 10:44.03 | ribnitz | tralala: ok. |
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| 10:44.18 | Triffid_Hunter | hehe modules are for anything hot swappable, built-in is for everything that's there from boot to shutdown |
| 10:44.20 | jim | SeerKan: so you'll have to learn the language of the bla bla bla for that case! |
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| 10:44.26 | stranger | but there is one mysterious feature of the linux kernel that i still do not understand |
| 10:44.29 | SeerKan | jim: :)) |
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| 10:44.38 | liberion | how does anyone like the new debian stable (SARGE) |
| 10:44.39 | ribnitz | Triffid_Hunter: might look different if you build a fw. |
| 10:44.54 | ribnitz | !polls |
| 10:44.54 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 10:44.57 | stranger | that is how they can let two processes occupy the same area of physical memory simultaneously with that shared memory stuff |
| 10:44.58 | jim | you laugh, and yes I made it sound funny... but that's exactly the issue |
| 10:45.05 | stranger | that one is very mystical to me |
| 10:45.20 | spdf | stranger, leprechauns... |
| 10:45.22 | Triffid_Hunter | ribnitz: not much.. i've got two servers, a fw and a desktop and that methodology works just fine for me ;) |
| 10:45.25 | tralala | !bad polls |
| 10:45.25 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 10:46.03 | ribnitz | Triffid_Hunter: Your security policy might dictate something else. Like hardened system. |
| 10:46.05 | Triffid_Hunter | stranger: unless you have an smp system, processes don't run simultaneously.. nor do they occupy the same piece of physical ram |
| 10:46.16 | maher | how many people hate polls? |
| 10:46.16 | jim | SeerKan: example: say you want to build the selinux extensions into your kernel... you'd need the userland tools and you might need to rebuild many userland things and even alter their source too |
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| 10:46.26 | Triffid_Hunter | ribnitz: yeah, well the hardening will be there from boot to shutdown won't it? ;) |
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| 10:46.33 | stranger | Triffid_Hunter, you are full of shit...processes run simultaneously all the time on linux |
| 10:46.33 | tralala | !aolify maher |
| 10:46.42 | jim | maher: the 8ball says: it's probably certain |
| 10:47.01 | stranger | Triffid_Hunter, but the magical stuff is how they can do this in the same area of PHYSICAL memory without conflicts |
| 10:47.05 | Triffid_Hunter | stranger: no they don't. the scheduler decides which process will run at any given time |
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| 10:47.11 | s2o | hi |
| 10:47.27 | stranger | Triffid_Hunter, well i know about the run queue |
| 10:47.31 | ribnitz | Triffid_Hunter: I am talkng about the bulit in an atomic-shelter-without external connection nor screen type setup :) |
| 10:47.33 | jim | SeerKan: I'm NOT trying to discourage you here! |
| 10:47.35 | s2o | Hi! |
| 10:47.40 | spdf | stranger, Its wacky, we know. |
| 10:47.58 | jim | but I AM saying to you, you WILL need to dedicate time to LEARN. maybe a LOT of time. |
| 10:47.59 | s2o | If I remember right, apt-get is a tool for managing software installs/updates/etc. on debian? |
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| 10:48.04 | Triffid_Hunter | one process per cpu at any given time.. and they don't occupy the same chunk of physical ram, though virtual ram locations can look very similar |
| 10:48.31 | stranger | Triffid_Hunter, you don't know shit...they do occupy the same area of PHYSICAL ram |
| 10:48.37 | ribnitz | Triffid_Hunter: one running process per (virtual) cpu. |
| 10:48.44 | stranger | Triffid_Hunter, but how they do this is impossible to understand |
| 10:48.58 | jm_ | haha that's nice, clueless telling other they know shit |
| 10:48.59 | petemc | ahh jesus |
| 10:49.01 | Triffid_Hunter | ribnitz: yeah that's right.. the distinction becomes poignant with ht and all that guff |
| 10:49.16 | Triffid_Hunter | stranger: they don't. that's why its impossible to understand. |
| 10:49.31 | directhex|work | Triffid_Hunter, ignore stranger, he's a rambling paranoid schizophrenic |
| 10:49.31 | Triffid_Hunter | stranger: why are you convinced that they occupy the same physical ram? |
| 10:49.34 | ribnitz | Triffid_Hunter: plus possibly several runnable, a few waiting, a few zombies,.. |
| 10:49.56 | stranger | Triffid_Hunter, well you are very wrong about that....they do occupy the same area of PHYSICAL memory...but how is totally magical |
| 10:50.26 | ribnitz | stranger: implementation should be loeft to the magicians that build OSes, no? |
| 10:50.33 | Triffid_Hunter | stranger: why are you trying to get people to tell you how something that doesn't ever happen is done? |
| 10:50.39 | tralala | directhex|work: oh, is he still around... |
| 10:50.39 | jim | they don't occupy the same physical ram... but they might be at the same address |
| 10:50.52 | Triffid_Hunter | jim: i already said that ;) |
| 10:51.29 | jim | oh, well... genius minds think alike :P |
| 10:51.35 | pango | if two processes map the same file in memory, it would be both wasteful and dangerous (aliasing ?) not to have it only once in memory |
| 10:51.35 | jim | :) |
| 10:51.43 | s2o | well, I have got installed apt-get for suse which I asume to be at least similar to debians apt-get. Now I want to prevent it trying to update mysql to 4.1. It schould update the rest but not mysl (and dependancies of course). How do I do this? |
| 10:51.45 | antgel | directhex|work: thanks. i was on the apc website before and didn't see this page. what a confusing site. nebulous. |
| 10:51.46 | ribnitz | the magic word there is paging, swapping, virtual memory, and segmented memory access. |
| 10:51.54 | stranger | Triffid_Hunter, you may want to see page 8 of kernel memory by Zhang |
| 10:51.55 | spdf | s2o, #suse? |
| 10:51.58 | Triffid_Hunter | pango: its perfectly ok unless one writes, which is what copy-on-write is for |
| 10:52.01 | stranger | Triffid_Hunter, so you learn something |
| 10:52.04 | spdf | s2o, How is that at all related to debian? |
| 10:52.33 | spdf | s2o, What you're looking for though is pinning.. (right?) |
| 10:52.35 | stranger | Triffid_Hunter, because they do occupy the same PHSICAL memory locations but sometimes are associated with different virtual addresses |
| 10:52.37 | directhex|work | antgel, it's a fluffy site, the annoyance for me is it's very slow in the UK |
| 10:52.44 | s2o | apt-get is from debian I think and i think it may be similiar in terms of config |
| 10:52.45 | ribnitz | Triffid_Hunter: Distributed shared memory is one of the most fun parts.. |
| 10:52.49 | s2o | pinning? |
| 10:52.57 | pango | Triffid_Hunter: you're talking of anonymous mappings then |
| 10:53.00 | Triffid_Hunter | stranger: take your trolling elsewhere |
| 10:53.00 | s2o | ahhh....yes |
| 10:53.08 | directhex|work | distributed shared memory is... non-trivial |
| 10:53.26 | stranger | Triffid_Hunter, well you call it trolling because you are apparently very uneducated and have not even studied zhang |
| 10:53.46 | antgel | directhex|work: i'm already suspicious. question 1 asks what case type it is. what difference that makes i have no idea. will have lunch then fill in form, see what happens |
| 10:53.52 | jim | stranger: no, it's the opposite... two values -cannot- be in the same physical ram location; physically speaking: impossible |
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| 10:53.58 | Triffid_Hunter | stranger: i know how kernels and mmus work, and i've no idea what this zhang you're on about is.. some kind of drug? |
| 10:53.58 | ribnitz | directhex|work: its the most difficult I have seen. Followed by distributed shared locks (without time sync) |
| 10:54.01 | spdf | stranger, ZHANG?! |
| 10:54.04 | pango | Triffid_Hunter: not all maps behave the same way, if it's just some mmap()ed data file, it's perfectly file that writes are seen from all processes |
| 10:54.12 | pango | s/file/fine/ |
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| 10:54.18 | stranger | spdf, a professor of kernel memory design |
| 10:54.24 | jim | stranger: you have it exactly backwards |
| 10:54.29 | stranger | spdf, i suggest you look it up |
| 10:54.33 | directhex|work | antgel, it makes assumptions about your power supply size, presumably. i notice it seems to deny AMD chips exist, too |
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| 10:54.45 | Whisky_ | When I try to run the aMsn installer, it says I need TCl and gives me a link. I downloaded that and installed it too but I still get this error. |
| 10:54.51 | spdf | stranger, Xiaodong Zhang? |
| 10:55.03 | directhex|work | ribnitz, even cache coherency on SMP is tricky. i declare anythign beyond single-task single-core singlrethreading to be "too complex to bother with" |
| 10:55.05 | Triffid_Hunter | stranger: sounds like you've completely misinterpreted something poignant |
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| 10:55.13 | directhex|work | !wayc Whisky_ |
| 10:55.14 | dpkg | Whisky_: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 10:55.37 | tub_ | how can I disable rpc.statd so that it would not start at boot |
| 10:55.41 | Whisky_ | dpkg: I wonder :\ |
| 10:55.45 | ribnitz | directhex|work: I spent some weeks implementing locking (distributed, without time sync) in java. Fun. |
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| 10:55.58 | Triffid_Hunter | tub_: remove the symlink from /etc/rc`runlevel`.d/ |
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| 10:56.24 | jim | usually when I compile something it's because I want strict control over the versions |
| 10:56.35 | phanter | hmm, i do not get my isa soundcard (SB AWE 64 gold) installed in Sarge |
| 10:56.45 | directhex|work | !isapnp |
| 10:56.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump |
| 10:56.47 | tub_ | Triffid_Hunter: ok, best way to kill already existing rpc.statd? kill pid |
| 10:56.53 | ribnitz | phanter: theres something called isapnp.. |
| 10:57.03 | jim | at other times it's because I have no better things to do! |
| 10:57.04 | directhex|work | phanter, or run alsaconf, and pick the "scan isa cards" option |
| 10:57.07 | Triffid_Hunter | tub_: /etc/init.d/whatever stop |
| 10:57.08 | ribnitz | tub_: kill -9 pid |
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| 10:57.19 | ribnitz | tub_: if it doesnt reacy |
| 10:57.30 | stranger | spdf, no Yongquang Zhang |
| 10:57.30 | ribnitz | Triffid_Hunter: that would probably be nfs. |
| 10:57.31 | pango | why oh why do people suggest kill -9 when kill is sufficient |
| 10:57.33 | phanter | ribnitz, i read about it, but isapnp is not in the repositories and alsaconf does not do the trick |
| 10:57.36 | frederick11 | Hi, is there by any chance, how do you replace old/trojaned copies of binaries with the original? |
| 10:57.37 | jim | at still other times, it's because I'm writing something |
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| 10:57.50 | directhex|work | frederick11, be sure: reinstall |
| 10:57.53 | ribnitz | phanter: its a kernel thingy. |
| 10:57.57 | frederick11 | someone ran a rootkit on my com |
| 10:58.01 | pango | (nothing personal, just wondering) |
| 10:58.07 | frederick11 | and rkhunter reports bad binary for ps |
| 10:58.11 | frederick11 | more, who, w |
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| 10:58.20 | Triffid_Hunter | pango: cos kill -9 is force kill, and kill defaults to sigterm which is basically "ask nicely to die" |
| 10:58.32 | tub_ | ok, thanks everyone |
| 10:58.45 | frederick11 | directhex other than reinstall? |
| 10:58.48 | ribnitz | frederick11: 1) save logfiles to non-erasable storage 2) reinstall 3) replay backup |
| 10:58.50 | frederick11 | any other easier way?? |
| 10:58.58 | jim | stranger: have you been listening? you have this physical/virtual thing with the ram exactly backwards |
| 10:59.00 | frederick11 | i dont wish to reinstall. |
| 10:59.02 | pango | Triffid_Hunter: we agree violently, so why do people only remember of kill -9, when it should be used as a last resort only |
| 10:59.04 | eibwen | I was going to upgrade gnome (65 -> 1:2.10.1.1) but I noticed it'll remove hardware-monitor... anyone know why? |
| 10:59.41 | frederick11 | any? |
| 10:59.45 | ribnitz | frederick11: logfiles are important for forensics, and to get a conviction. |
| 10:59.46 | tralala | frederick11: other that reinstall there is no guarantie that you'll fix it |
| 10:59.47 | directhex|work | frederick11, are you SURE that nothing else is compromised? hint: you can't be. only a reinstall guarantees a safe system |
| 10:59.50 | Triffid_Hunter | pango: maybe they expect people to rtfm? |
| 10:59.53 | tralala | s/that/than/ |
| 10:59.57 | frederick11 | ribnitz i dont wish to go other so far.. |
| 11:00.11 | frederick11 | directhex nvm , show me the shorter way, |
| 11:00.16 | directhex|work | no. |
| 11:00.21 | ribnitz | frederick11: you have backup (as before the breakin)? |
| 11:00.27 | frederick11 | no |
| 11:00.32 | ribnitz | frederick11: plus you konw how they got in? |
| 11:00.48 | frederick11 | i give a user an account on my shell |
| 11:00.53 | pango | Triffid_Hunter: forced kill can result in leftover locks, etc, it's evil in general |
| 11:00.59 | jim | there's some law in effect somewhere, that says: that in order for log files to be admissable as evidence, they have to be commonly used as business records |
| 11:01.01 | frederick11 | just about 10 mins ago |
| 11:01.06 | ribnitz | frederick11: you have a cd writer? |
| 11:01.18 | Triffid_Hunter | hehe |
| 11:01.19 | frederick11 | ribnitz , unfortuantely not this is a remote server.. |
| 11:01.19 | stranger | jim, no i don't ...i read it as Zhang reports it and gives examples and graphs...you people are either ignorant or don't understand the impossible |
| 11:01.28 | spdf | stranger, Link? |
| 11:01.32 | ribnitz | frederick11: can you install rsync? |
| 11:01.35 | jim | stranger: then Zhang has it backwards |
| 11:01.40 | frederick11 | ok |
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| 11:01.52 | frederick11 | rsync is already installed |
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| 11:01.58 | frederick11 | so what do i have to do next? |
| 11:02.19 | jim | stranger: I've been doing this stuff for about 30 years or longer |
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| 11:02.34 | ribnitz | frederick11: do a backup of logfiles, plus data. |
| 11:02.47 | frederick11 | i dont have anyting important |
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| 11:03.10 | ribnitz | frederick11: how often do I need to tell you the logfiles are important? |
| 11:03.10 | frederick11 | just want to replace the BAD binary to GOOD |
| 11:03.28 | frederick11 | ribnitz , what's the use? i am not repoting anything |
| 11:03.31 | ribnitz | frederick11: how do you detect what binary is bad? |
| 11:03.36 | kombi | just found rename for renaming multiple files, how do I test the regex before actually renaming? |
| 11:03.40 | frederick11 | ribnitz , using rkhunter -c |
| 11:03.48 | ribnitz | frederick11: find out what has happened. |
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| 11:03.59 | ribnitz | frederick11: what if rkhunter is compromised? |
| 11:04.03 | Triffid_Hunter | stranger: you're obviously confused and stubborn, a dangerous combination |
| 11:04.08 | frederick11 | i just install rkhunter |
| 11:04.12 | frederick11 | about 2 mins ago |
| 11:04.17 | kombi | ribnitz: install it again |
| 11:04.19 | tralala | kombi: ls | sed? |
| 11:04.24 | kombi | thx! |
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| 11:04.30 | tralala | !thx |
| 11:04.30 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 11:04.30 | vchrizz | hi |
| 11:04.32 | frederick11 | so any idea? |
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| 11:04.41 | kombi | thanks even |
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| 11:04.47 | tralala | no problem |
| 11:04.51 | jim | stranger: (1) it is literally impossible for a physical ram memory to have two simultaneous values... (2) on the other hand, it -is- possible for what purports to be a physical address and another copy of that same supposed physical address to refer to different phyisical ram areas |
| 11:04.55 | frederick11 | i am sure my root is being used to scan right now as we are talking |
| 11:04.58 | kombi | tralala: like thx too though, good sound.. |
| 11:05.01 | frederick11 | or taking part in ddos |
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| 11:05.16 | tralala | keep in mind that regexp definitions may differ between the programs |
| 11:05.30 | frederick11 | so? |
| 11:05.46 | tralala | kombi: use it then, but not here |
| 11:05.55 | kombi | tralala: should be pure perl in rename though, good old larry wall wrote it |
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| 11:06.55 | jim | stranger: we see what you're trying to say, but your wording is exactly backward... your claim that the memory referred to by a specific physical address can have two simultaneous values is not correct... however, the opposite is true |
| 11:07.09 | ribnitz | frederick11: 1) stop all running services that dont use encryption, disable all unprivileged user accounts 2) use rsync to backup logfiles to remote system 3) replace the "compromised" files, if you feel thats less owrk than reinstall |
| 11:07.15 | tralala | so if perl regexp == sed regexp you're just fine |
| 11:07.20 | eibwen | Curious -- apt-get upgrade doesn't try to remove hardware-monitor and will upgrade gnome. `apt-get dist-upgrade` however tries to remove it... What gives? |
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| 11:07.24 | phanter | how can I enabla X forwarding via ssh? |
| 11:07.33 | frederick11 | ok i will skip to 3 |
| 11:07.35 | frederick11 | how do i do 3 |
| 11:07.48 | ribnitz | phanter: man ssh, I thin its -x |
| 11:07.55 | kombi | tralala: are you good at regex though? |
| 11:07.56 | Guerin | !sshx |
| 11:07.56 | dpkg | methinks sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 11:08.01 | jim | phanter: first you have to realize that the x server in debian is run under an ssh-agent |
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| 11:08.11 | frederick11 | i already disable the account, but no point |
| 11:08.13 | tralala | kombi: average, I would say |
| 11:08.14 | frederick11 | i think he already got root |
| 11:08.17 | vchrizz | ive got win(/dev/hda1) and deb(/dev/hda3) on one hd, i installed boot magic to select the os to boot. when i want to boot deb, i get error "ntldr is missing". do i have to write a new boot record on hda3 with grub? if yes, how do i do that? |
| 11:08.31 | phanter | I use the ssh -x option (i read that), but it does still not work |
| 11:08.40 | jim | (you can do the same trick on any other dist if you know how to work ssh-agent) |
| 11:08.48 | eibwen | phanter: -X not -x |
| 11:08.54 | kombi | tralala: I aim for everything in between the first and second underscore in a string |
| 11:09.04 | Guerin | ribnitz: not worth it. Reinstall is the only way. Don't advise anyone otherise unless you're prepared tofix0r tehr box0r wehn its r00tx0r3d |
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| 11:09.20 | jim | frederick11: disconnect the machine in question from the internet, then reformat and reinstall |
| 11:09.34 | phanter | I use -X |
| 11:09.36 | kombi | ribnitz: he is absolutely right |
| 11:09.37 | jim | frederick11: that will make sure you don't have a rootkit |
| 11:09.42 | vchrizz | i tried to install grub (boot from cd, mount hda3, chroot, $ install-grub /dev/hda3) but i got some error13 msg... |
| 11:09.52 | ribnitz | Guerin: my first thing was 1) save logs to unerasable storage 2) reinstall 3) replay backup |
| 11:10.04 | stranger | jim, i don't give a damn about your misintrepation....that professor knows what he is talking about ...give several code example and graphs the same physical locations in memory for two processes |
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| 11:10.12 | kombi | what's unreasonable storage? |
| 11:10.18 | frederick11 | ok i fixed it already..i killed the entire sshd process....noone should be able to login including me..besides the trojan needs the sshd process to connect so |
| 11:10.18 | jim | stranger: it is you who are misstating. |
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| 11:10.31 | spdf | stranger, Where's the f'in link then? How about you let some of us read what the hell you're talking about.. |
| 11:10.32 | stranger | jim, and sometimes uses different virtual addresses but not always |
| 11:10.34 | jim | but it's just words, what's your actual point? |
| 11:10.46 | stranger | spdf, i did...i gave you the exact page number |
| 11:10.51 | spdf | stranger, Then I imagine they'll tell you the exact thing they've been saying the last 20 minutes.. |
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| 11:11.00 | Guerin | ribnitz: that's fair. |
| 11:11.01 | spdf | stranger, No. You didn't. |
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| 11:11.07 | phanter | I got it. needed to enable X11 forawarding in sshd |
| 11:11.12 | stranger | spdf, i did...page 8 of kernel memory |
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| 11:11.23 | spdf | stranger, Ugh. |
| 11:11.26 | ribnitz | Guerin: is there any better procedure? |
| 11:11.37 | spdf | stranger, And where might I go about gettings this Page 8 of kernel memory? |
| 11:11.44 | tralala | kombi: like what? remove everything between them, keep only what's between them... |
| 11:11.45 | jim | stranger: so what's your point that you're trying to express? |
| 11:11.58 | kombi | tralala: keep |
| 11:12.03 | stranger | jim, just that it is very mysterious...not clear like the rest of the kernel |
| 11:12.10 | frederick11 | sigh, 07:04:21 up 2 days, 10:02, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.02, 0.05 07:04:21 up 2 days, 10:02, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.02, 0.05 .there is only 1 putty on my machine |
| 11:12.12 | Guerin | ribnitz: no. |
| 11:12.14 | frederick11 | so who is the other 1? |
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| 11:12.33 | jim | frederick11: disconnect the machine from the internet. |
| 11:12.38 | Guerin | ribnitz: save all of /var/log and all dotfiles, plus reinstall from scratch, is the best procedure. |
| 11:12.50 | frederick11 | jim how many freaking time do i have to say that it's a remote server? |
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| 11:12.59 | frederick11 | not physically located to m |
| 11:13.01 | jim | then halt the machine |
| 11:13.01 | frederick11 | e |
| 11:13.09 | frederick11 | i dont wish to do that |
| 11:13.13 | frederick11 | i just want to know how to replace the files |
| 11:13.36 | kombi | tralala: like turn 1230_777_somethingfoobar.jpg to 777.jpg, figuring that kind of thing out usually takes me hours.. |
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| 11:13.47 | tralala | kombi: that would be sorta s/.{-}_(.{-})_/\1/ (add the backslashes where needed) |
| 11:13.53 | spdf | frederick11, And when you do that, are you sure it won't go back to being rooted on reboot? |
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| 11:14.02 | kombi | tralala: thanks! |
| 11:14.13 | tralala | you're welcome |
| 11:14.14 | jim | frederick11: depending on your agreement, your service provider can shut you down and make you pay for the bandwidth... and I've heard of instances where the service provider confiscated the hardware to pay for the time spent getting rid of the hacks. |
| 11:14.40 | frederick11 | damn, it's a 100mbit svr ii am pretty sure he will use it to ddos |
| 11:14.44 | jim | (and I heard this from the guy who took the hardware.) |
| 11:14.51 | eggs | ? |
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| 11:14.59 | lesto | hi there is there an env variable to fix the cvs revison tag to work with? |
| 11:15.27 | ribnitz | frederick11: plus if your box is used for (d)doses, you might have to bear the criminal charges. |
| 11:15.29 | Guerin | frederick11: you're a fucking tard. Just use shutdown -h now; from a root shell and get your host to re-image the box |
| 11:15.34 | Guerin | if they will |
| 11:15.36 | jim | lesto: once you check out with a tag, that tag will be in effect when you cd into your checkout |
| 11:15.47 | Guerin | frederick11: do it now, not later. |
| 11:15.50 | lesto | jim: thankz :) |
| 11:15.56 | frederick11 | Guerin ok |
| 11:15.56 | eggs | ddos is the trick of olddog |
| 11:16.07 | lobz | are there ati binary driver packages available for debian? like the nvidia ones |
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| 11:16.18 | ribnitz | eggs: even an open relay can be expensive. |
| 11:16.23 | frederick11 | shutdown -h ..dont work |
| 11:16.24 | spdf | lobz, Which ati card? |
| 11:16.24 | tralala | !tell lobz -about ati drivers |
| 11:16.24 | frederick11 | wiat |
| 11:16.35 | lobz | spdf: radeon9800pro |
| 11:16.36 | eggs | ? |
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| 11:16.53 | frederick11 | shutdown -h keeps giving me teh same file all over again |
| 11:16.54 | Guerin | frederick11: email or call your host and make them shut it down now. If I get spam from you I won't be very impressed. |
| 11:16.56 | jim | frederick11: see if you can get the guy where your server is on the phone |
| 11:17.03 | jim | explain the problem to him |
| 11:17.04 | eggs | open-source relay? |
| 11:17.09 | spdf | lobz, Do what dpkg just said, they work great.. |
| 11:17.12 | frederick11 | i think they are sleeping |
| 11:17.17 | solemnwarning | what fdd image do i need for a netinstall floppy? |
| 11:17.21 | lobz | ok. thx |
| 11:17.22 | Guerin | frederick11: a rooted box may have a compromised shutdown... try init 6 |
| 11:17.26 | ribnitz | eggs: does not have to be a (d)dos. might also be 20 million mails advertising buying beds onlinf from a firm located on the Caymans |
| 11:17.29 | Guerin | frederick11: from a root shell |
| 11:17.46 | jim | frederick11: here's the thing: having root in one machine could be a way into other machines on the local net |
| 11:17.48 | frederick11 | guerin nothing happens. |
| 11:17.51 | eggs | yeah!!! awesome |
| 11:17.58 | frederick11 | done.. |
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| 11:18.04 | frederick11 | let me see if i can connect to it |
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| 11:18.05 | Guerin | frederick11: good luck. |
| 11:18.10 | eggs | packets -> mails |
| 11:18.14 | solemnwarning | any1?? |
| 11:18.20 | tralala | !any1 |
| 11:18.20 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 11:18.30 | jethro | !lart solemnwarning |
| 11:18.33 | jim | !no1 |
| 11:19.02 | frederick11 | So if i get a timeout message means the box is shutdown right? |
| 11:19.04 | tralala | solemnwarning: you need the one that google recommends |
| 11:19.15 | jim | !no1 is <reply> *** no1: he ain't here either |
| 11:19.15 | dpkg | okay, jim |
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| 11:19.36 | jim | !no1 |
| 11:19.36 | dpkg | *** no1: he ain't here either |
| 11:19.38 | frederick11 | or is the box just too laggy to be connected cos of DOS? |
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| 11:19.53 | eggs | who's no 1? |
| 11:20.05 | jethro | frederick11: /msg dpkg ask, then /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 11:20.06 | jim | opposite of any1 |
| 11:20.14 | tralala | dpkg is |
| 11:20.14 | dpkg | somebody said is was the country code for iceland |
| 11:20.22 | eggs | god? |
| 11:20.29 | jethro | frederick11: and hopefuly, someone can understand you once you ask in the appropriate way. |
| 11:20.52 | spdf | frederick11, Call the host yet? |
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| 11:21.03 | jim | frederick11: if you've shut down the box, you'll have to call them to let them know |
| 11:21.04 | spdf | frederick11, I'm sure they'd be happy to know your box is dos'n right now.. |
| 11:21.07 | cahoot | jethro: he's quite clear considering the earlier msgs |
| 11:21.09 | frederick11 | spdf no reply they put me on a hold |
| 11:21.14 | synstar | When i drag mp3s from my DVD drive onto XMMS - 80% of the time its stops responding. Has anyone else had this problem? |
| 11:21.25 | oZt | Why won't the debian sarge netinstall cd boot, when a knoppix cd boots? (it doesn't even start to boot) |
| 11:21.29 | lesto | jim: what happen if i co antoher module under the same tree? |
| 11:21.31 | spdf | frederick11, Decent musak? |
| 11:21.44 | eggs | frederick11: ^^ |
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| 11:21.55 | frederick11 | spdf erm some lullaby tune |
| 11:22.01 | _paul | When is etch going to be released? (is 6 months too earily?) |
| 11:22.07 | peanut | How do I find out which versions of NFS Debian 3.1 supports? |
| 11:22.14 | spdf | _paul, Way too early.. |
| 11:22.18 | streuner | _paul: nobody knows actually |
| 11:22.18 | Eulex | _paul, no, rather 2-3 years |
| 11:22.23 | jim | lesto: if you checkout, that's like a new checkout (ok, it IS a new checkout); I don't think tags would apply for that |
| 11:22.26 | lobz | spdf: what's the reason the ati drivers did not got in sarge like nvidia? |
| 11:22.29 | jethro | cahoot: to you, maybe. |
| 11:22.37 | jim | so you'd probably have to specify the tags again |
| 11:22.45 | lesto | jim: thankz |
| 11:23.03 | cahoot | jethro: to those who has followed his discussion in the channel the last minutes |
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| 11:23.26 | jethro | cahoot: those but me. |
| 11:23.57 | spdf | lobz, I don't know the answer to that.. I would guess it has something to do with proprietary drivers and stuff like that.. |
| 11:24.35 | jim | _paul: sometime between right now and 30 years from now? |
| 11:24.58 | jim | oops, no... they didn't release it right now |
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| 11:25.18 | lesto | jim: do you know how can I get the latest release tag of a given module? |
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| 11:25.41 | jim | no. you have to know what tag you're looking for. |
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| 11:26.09 | jim | anyway... zzz for meee |
| 11:26.16 | lesto | jim: I have two build tags separated by ',' |
| 11:26.18 | spdf | Take 'er easy.. |
| 11:26.34 | keta | does 1/5 result in 1,6,11,16,21.. count in cron ? |
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| 11:27.47 | revenger_ | hmm has anyone ever experienced sendmail exiting with EX_TEMPFAIL? |
| 11:28.42 | tralala | !bad polls |
| 11:28.42 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 11:29.00 | petemc | was that a poll? |
| 11:29.28 | tralala | sorta |
| 11:29.34 | spdf | fringe poll.. |
| 11:29.39 | eggs | ... |
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| 11:30.24 | _paul | I thought the ftp-masters were changing things to improve release times? |
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| 11:30.49 | Eulex | hmm, sh4d0wcat and sh4dowcat seems to be the same person |
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| 11:31.08 | sh4dowcat | Eulex: client mixup |
| 11:31.21 | petemc | Eulex: your powers of observation are impressive |
| 11:31.21 | sh4dowcat | should be fixed now |
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| 11:31.24 | KursK | real basic question: where is the best place to defince things like shares mounted at login and the umask? there are a lot of init-scripts and profile-files, but it's not obvious which application/desktop uses which oone, is there no global place? I use sarge btw |
| 11:31.29 | tralala | _paul: do the release times need improvement? Are the ftp-masters responsible for the release times? WTF do you actually want? |
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| 11:31.40 | _paul | Like dropping non-us and alot of archs? |
| 11:31.44 | Eulex | sh4dowcat, ok |
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| 11:32.15 | _paul | tralala: sorry for waking you... |
| 11:32.43 | Eulex | _paul: etch is released wir |
| 11:33.12 | Eulex | !tell _paul about wir |
| 11:33.36 | Eulex | and siyh |
| 11:34.03 | hejux | ï¼tell hejux about wir |
| 11:34.17 | hejux | ？ |
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| 11:34.29 | tralala | hejux: just /msg the bot if you need to know something |
| 11:34.30 | spdf | hejux, Umm.. |
| 11:34.38 | vladkao | haxx0rz :-) |
| 11:34.39 | Eulex | hejux: what kind char is ？? |
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| 11:35.40 | SynrG | I'm having a problem with a knoppix remaster that is likely not knoppix-specific. a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ to "call home" is apparently not invoked. ideas? |
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| 11:36.07 | sh4dowcat | is it just me |
| 11:36.15 | spdf | sh4dowcat, is what just you? |
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| 11:36.18 | sh4dowcat | or has the etch updates been kind of dry lately |
| 11:36.25 | hejux | Eulex：zh_CN.UTF-8 |
| 11:36.26 | Rawplayer | SynrG: #knoppix |
| 11:36.28 | sh4dowcat | have* |
| 11:36.29 | Rawplayer | !based on debian |
| 11:36.29 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 11:36.43 | spdf | hejux, Stop. You're fucking with my terminal... |
| 11:36.47 | sh4dowcat | been watching new packages trickling into testing for two days now |
| 11:36.57 | sh4dowcat | but no upgradable packages |
| 11:36.57 | Eulex | hejux: try changing the char encoding |
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| 11:37.16 | _joey | could someone comment on Asus extreme n6800gt pci-e graphics card ? |
| 11:37.20 | tralala | hejux: LANG=C <your_dear_irc_client> |
| 11:37.25 | Eulex | sh4dowcat, you need to do a dist-uphtade? |
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| 11:37.29 | hejux | Eulex: whats the metter ? |
| 11:37.42 | hejux | metter=matter |
| 11:37.42 | sh4dowcat | Eulex: I use aptitude |
| 11:37.49 | tralala | _joey: a lot of people can |
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| 11:38.03 | Eulex | hejux: those ! of you look wrong... |
| 11:38.04 | RedShift | _joey: yeah, i want one. :p |
| 11:38.04 | shark` | hello, can anyone help in modem programming pls ? |
| 11:38.21 | hejux | ! |
| 11:38.22 | tarzeau | shark`: we can't read mind |
| 11:38.23 | Eulex | _joey, what's the question? |
| 11:38.27 | tarzeau | !confuse shark` |
| 11:38.28 | spdf | hejux, Whatever you're doing is making bitchx go all nutty on me... |
| 11:38.29 | dpkg | No, those are your ferret yesterday, shark`? lederhosen of the democracy of tahiti with extra ham |
| 11:38.44 | synstar | where is the master volume - at the moment its too low and i cant find the controls to adjust it?? |
| 11:38.45 | hejux | ! correct ? |
| 11:38.46 | shark` | tarzeau, i have made a program, but i have no control on it... should i pastebin? |
| 11:38.46 | SynrG | Rawplayer: it does not appear to be a knoppix-specific issue. if-up.d scripts might not be called under certain circumstances on debian and debian derivatives. i was merely asking if anyone knew of such circumstances. |
| 11:38.49 | spdf | hejux, Yep |
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| 11:38.53 | tarzeau | shark`: yes |
| 11:38.55 | Eulex | hejux: yes |
| 11:38.55 | sh4dowcat | heh guess there aren't any updates then |
| 11:39.08 | shark` | tarzeau, hangon |
| 11:39.14 | spdf | SynrG, Did anyone answer the first time? |
| 11:39.15 | tralala | SynrG: it's on the left side |
| 11:39.20 | tarzeau | SynrG: hey! |
| 11:39.28 | tralala | synstar: it's on the left side |
| 11:39.31 | tralala | SynrG: sorry |
| 11:39.41 | Eulex | sh4dowcat, there's a new 2.6.11 kernel |
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| 11:39.57 | SynrG | tarzeau: good day. you hang out here much? |
| 11:40.06 | sh4dowcat | Eulex: in testing? |
| 11:40.17 | SynrG | tarzeau: i left #debian around 1997. i found the attitudes of the "elite" insufferable |
| 11:40.18 | vchrizz | ive got win(/dev/hda1) and deb(/dev/hda3) on one hd, i installed boot magic to select the os to boot. when i want to boot deb, i get error "ntldr is missing". do i have to write a new boot record on hda3 with grub? if yes, how do i do that? i tried to install grub (boot from cd, mount hda3, chroot, $ install-grub /dev/hda3) but i got some error13 msg... |
| 11:40.20 | sh4dowcat | heh that wouldn't show up in my system though |
| 11:40.22 | Eulex | sh4dowcat, yes |
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| 11:40.31 | sh4dowcat | I run a custom kernel |
| 11:40.33 | SynrG | tarzeau: 8 years has not improved the atmosphere |
| 11:40.37 | synstar | tralala, left side to what? |
| 11:40.42 | shark` | tarzeau, http://pastebin.com/300253 |
| 11:40.45 | cahoot | SynrG: thing are very much improved ;) |
| 11:40.53 | tarzeau | SynrG: yes, i'm often here |
| 11:40.56 | sh4dowcat | we still don't support knoppix here |
| 11:41.01 | tarzeau | SynrG: what's wrong with the atmosphere? |
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| 11:41.19 | tarzeau | SynrG: people are excellent to eachother, if they read the /topic |
| 11:41.28 | tarzeau | SynrG: it only gets worse if people troll or don't read the /topic |
| 11:41.38 | tarzeau | SynrG: i came her two years after you then |
| 11:41.40 | shark` | tarzeau, something happen on incoming call, but how can i accept call? :) |
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| 11:41.44 | SynrG | tarzeau: sigh. i ask a general debian infrastructure question, and people just quote the topic at me |
| 11:41.46 | tralala | SynrG: have you seen the barbie factoids? |
| 11:42.00 | tarzeau | SynrG: have you seen the qotds? |
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| 11:42.05 | tralala | !be knoppix barbie |
| 11:42.05 | dpkg | Differentiating a Debian derivative from Debian is HARD! |
| 11:42.23 | tarzeau | SynrG: you've asked knoppix stuff |
| 11:42.24 | sobersabre | hello.. i have a very strange thing: i am dhcp client. and my dhcp server is supposed to discover i am connected, and update the dns to resolve me and back. |
| 11:42.32 | tarzeau | SynrG: which is not debian, thus off-topic and ignored, sorry |
| 11:42.42 | tarzeau | SynrG: the rules are simple, if you have debian you get help, otherwise not |
| 11:42.47 | sobersabre | but it doesn't work. this works with windos clients... what can be a problem ? |
| 11:42.48 | afabian | vchrizz: I've had bad luck with grub-install. Try "grub" with the root and setup commands. The error message probably means... whatever you wanted to happen didn't happen. |
| 11:42.56 | tralala | SynrG: come back in another 8 years or so... |
| 11:43.03 | SynrG | nah, it's not knoppix stuff. this is a general question about /etc/network/if-up.d/. when do those scripts get called, and under what circumstances might they not be? |
| 11:43.07 | tarzeau | SynrG: lately the ubunto questions have increased, and they really kill the nice atmosphere of here |
| 11:43.23 | SynrG | i'll remember not to mention k****** then |
| 11:43.29 | SynrG | and phrase everything in a general way |
| 11:43.32 | vchrizz | afabian: i tried that already ;) when i run grub and try to load the kernel, i get the error13 msg |
| 11:43.39 | tarzeau | SynrG: ah sorry then, maybe nobody knows. have you asked madduck , i heard he wants to rework the ifup brokenness of debian |
| 11:43.42 | vchrizz | i thought i have to write a new boot sector? |
| 11:43.46 | tarzeau | SynrG: good idea :) |
| 11:44.06 | tarzeau | shark`: try #c |
| 11:44.12 | afabian | Something's really wrong.. you get NTLDR missing when you try to boot hda3, with Debian on it? |
| 11:44.15 | shark` | tarzeau, no one reply :( |
| 11:44.18 | SynrG | the problem with the atmosphere is the instant assumption of the idiocy of everyone who mentions a forbidden keyword |
| 11:44.22 | tralala | !they don't know |
| 11:44.22 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:44.24 | sh4dowcat | afabian: haha |
| 11:44.26 | tarzeau | shark`: read the topic and the faqs |
| 11:44.30 | tarzeau | shark`: about unix, they handle your problem |
| 11:44.36 | shark` | tarzeau, i read the faq a lot |
| 11:44.44 | shark` | tarzeau, i need a serious help :( |
| 11:44.45 | sh4dowcat | SynrG: how about you just quit whining |
| 11:44.50 | tarzeau | shark`: ask more specific, try to hunt down your problem to a smaller one |
| 11:45.02 | shark` | tarzeau, how can i accepted incoming call ? |
| 11:45.13 | shark` | you have the programme that detects call :) |
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| 11:45.26 | tarzeau | shark`: why not use getty ? |
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| 11:46.17 | shark` | tarzeau, because i would like to write my own :) shark-tty |
| 11:46.26 | tralala | shark`: mgetty is pretty good at accepting dial-up connections, faxes... I think it also has an answering machine |
| 11:46.29 | vchrizz | afabian: and because i get this ntldr error, i think i should write a new boot-sector |
| 11:46.55 | afabian | vchrizz: When you boot from the drive, do you get GRUB at all? |
| 11:46.57 | cahoot | tralala: vgetty? |
| 11:47.01 | _paul | sobersabre: Whats doesn't 'ifup eth0' and 'ifdown eth0' display? |
| 11:47.14 | tarzeau | shark`: shark` -> \o/ vs /| <- shark |
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| 11:47.18 | tralala | cahoot: probably... |
| 11:47.40 | tarzeau | SynrG: you know what's really good? ask in 8 hours again, and in 16 too! |
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| 11:47.48 | tarzeau | if you check !debstats you see there's 3 kind of people |
| 11:48.00 | tarzeau | at 3 different times of days |
| 11:48.05 | sh4dowcat | !debstats |
| 11:48.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 11:48.08 | shark` | :) |
| 11:48.13 | sobersabre | that dhclient requests.. get a reply, and sets the IP address etc. |
| 11:48.16 | shark` | i'm the french shark |
| 11:48.20 | shark` | nice to meet |
| 11:48.31 | tarzeau | shark`: i'm white shark. a/s/l? |
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| 11:48.31 | sobersabre | resolv.conf is updated, ip is changed. network starts to be operational. |
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| 11:48.40 | shark` | tarzeau, 23 m paris |
| 11:48.47 | SynrG | interesting. well, you all have a point. i just failed to check one of my assumptions. i'll eliminate that assumption to make it debian-specific |
| 11:48.56 | sep | SynrG: why dont you just install a debian, and see if you can recreate the problem, if you can recreate it file a debian bug, if you can't recreate it on debian, file a bug with knoppix's bugsystem. |
| 11:48.57 | shark` | tarzeau, you are really a good for this channel, thanks so much for what you do |
| 11:49.06 | SynrG | sep: *install* debian? |
| 11:49.22 | _paul | sobersabre: So it all works exept for the DNS entry? |
| 11:49.34 | vchrizz | afabian: (sorry for my disconnects) do you know how to write a new boot sector to /dev/hda3 ? |
| 11:49.42 | tarzeau | SynrG: really this time of day is hard to get good help |
| 11:49.47 | SynrG | sep: i installed it in 1995, and am still running off of the same install (kept fresh at sid, of course :) |
| 11:49.49 | sobersabre | _paul, you're right... |
| 11:49.51 | stranger | now that i think about it ...Zhangs' code might implicitly be using the run queue without acknowledging it |
| 11:49.51 | tarzeau | SynrG: it gets userful in 5 hours |
| 11:49.52 | antgel | directhex|work: no, amd processors are on the form |
| 11:49.53 | sobersabre | what can it be ? |
| 11:49.53 | SynrG | 0.93R6 |
| 11:50.02 | sobersabre | i mean i am almost sure it is router's side fault. |
| 11:50.05 | SynrG | sep: anyway, yes, that's the basic approach i intend to do |
| 11:50.07 | _paul | sobersabre: It a known bug... |
| 11:50.08 | SynrG | sbbiam |
| 11:50.13 | Eulex | oh, I'm on place 42 in the #debian stats :) |
| 11:50.13 | sobersabre | ?!?! |
| 11:50.13 | SynrG | er, bbiam i mean |
| 11:50.23 | sobersabre | never knew that! |
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| 11:50.32 | sobersabre | where can i read ? |
| 11:50.40 | tarzeau | Eulex: you are teh debstats whore! |
| 11:50.48 | spdf | Woot.. 53 |
| 11:50.52 | stranger | but it is hard to say since he does not specify it...but seems to me that is really the only way to do the impossible and still would require an inordinate amount of memory shuffling |
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| 11:51.09 | _paul | sobersabre: On your client change /etc/dhclient.conf by adding 'send host-name "silver";' |
| 11:51.16 | tralala | one could assume that in 10 years some things will be learned... apparently that would be a wrong assumption |
| 11:51.16 | spdf | stranger, Still here? |
| 11:51.20 | [Starfury^] | lo whats the command for reconfiguring xfree86 via dpkg? |
| 11:51.23 | sep | SynrG: just since i never noticed your problem on my install, altho i admit i dont run sid, only potato's woody's and sarge's |
| 11:51.27 | tarzeau | !drx |
| 11:51.28 | dpkg | i heard drx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:51.32 | [Starfury^] | the guy has lost his xf86config file |
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| 11:51.36 | [Starfury^] | ta |
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| 11:51.51 | spdf | lo? ta? Are you 5? |
| 11:51.52 | stranger | spdf, yes...i am trying to examine Zhang's material and the only way i can see it as possible at all is with implicitly using the run queue |
| 11:52.03 | jetx | touch one and md5sum it |
| 11:52.09 | jetx | !xmd5 |
| 11:52.09 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 11:52.17 | spdf | stranger, Got that link for me yet? |
| 11:52.25 | afabian | vchrizz: You don't really need to, if you install GRUB in the master-boot record and load the Linux kernel from a native filesystem. Partitions don't really have "boot sectors". A couple of filesystems don't even leave space to write a "pseudo-boot-sector" you can chainload from. (XFS, for instance. |
| 11:52.26 | _paul | sobersabre: Mine is in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf because I upgraded to dhcp3. |
| 11:52.27 | stranger | spdf, i gave it to you many times already |
| 11:52.43 | spdf | stranger, When you say "gave" you mean "Page 8 of kernel memory", right? |
| 11:52.55 | stranger | spdf, do you want me to just send you the page...give me an email |
| 11:53.09 | afabian | You can install a bootloader, but unless it's an extended partition, it doesn't have it's own "real" boot sector or partition table. |
| 11:53.41 | spdf | stranger, Sure, thenewhotness@hotdogsandwiches.com |
| 11:54.01 | [Starfury^] | how do i list the pci bus content? |
| 11:54.01 | Eulex | stranger: this is the first time I've seen you not trolling :) |
| 11:54.07 | tarzeau | [Starfury^]: lspci |
| 11:54.12 | Starfury^ | t |
| 11:54.13 | Starfury^ | a |
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| 11:54.25 | jetx | for reconfigureing x, leave it blank |
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| 11:54.43 | jetx | or for agp give it PCI:1:0:0, but you can leave it blank |
| 11:54.54 | jetx | also you can leave the memory blank |
| 11:55.13 | SynrG | ok, i have retested this in debian (sid). I put a "call home" script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ and yet it is not called upon reboot. any ideas? |
| 11:55.55 | afabian | vchrizz: Oh, wait. Bootmagic, eh? you can install grub in /dev/hda3, filesystem permitting. I don't know how bootmagic works, but I'm guessing it tries loading a partition. |
| 11:56.30 | liberion | guys im thinking of moving over to debian from slackware ,may i have some encouragement :) |
| 11:56.31 | _paul | SynrG: is it executable. |
| 11:56.36 | tarzeau | liberion: sure |
| 11:56.40 | tarzeau | !why_debian |
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| 11:56.45 | spdf | liberion, DO IT! |
| 11:56.53 | resiak | !why debian\= |
| 11:56.56 | Eulex | liberion, GO FOR IT!! GO!!! |
| 11:56.58 | resiak | Grah. |
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| 11:57.05 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 11:57.05 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 11:57.06 | _paul | SynrG: Also did you relise that those scripts are also called for 'lo' |
| 11:57.18 | Eulex | !tell liberion about why debian |
| 11:57.22 | Starfury^ | my mates just done dpkg reconf on xserver xfree86 and it didnt write him a config file |
| 11:57.24 | Starfury^ | any reason? |
| 11:57.36 | resiak | !xmd5 |
| 11:57.36 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 11:57.40 | tarzeau | Starfury^: do you have old config files around? remove them all |
| 11:57.43 | spdf | Starfury^, Did he previously modify XF86Config-4 himself? |
| 11:57.55 | liberion | tarzeau, well debian is abi ,lsb dont get me wrong i love slackware ,but i need to do some debian development project because debian covers the market with projects |
| 11:58.03 | xinming | anyone here can tell me if there is a way to know the progress of downloading using jigdo-lite ? |
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| 11:58.22 | tarzeau | liberion: abi? lsb? |
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| 11:58.36 | tarzeau | xinming: if you know how large it is. check with iptraf ? |
| 11:58.37 | vchrizz | afabian: (im using ext3) ive got "powerquest boot magic" in the mbr... and i would prefer to leave it like that ;) im curious what to do to "remove" the ntldr msg while booting /dev/hda3 and boot debian instead |
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| 11:58.58 | liberion | tarzeau, application bianry interface,linux standard base |
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| 11:59.17 | SynrG | _paul: it is executable |
| 11:59.17 | Starfury^ | spdf: all i know is he done a new install and he says it didnt have a config file |
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| 11:59.57 | afabian | vchrizz: install GRUB in /dev/hda3, as best as I understand it. I'm not familiar with BootMagic. It probably isn't smart enough to load a Linux kernel directly; it probably tries booting a partition. Linux always relies a bootloader. |
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| 12:00.09 | liberion | what really made the impression was freetype 2 ,debian still uses 2.1.7 its the one that renders correctly and that made me think about debian developers smarts |
| 12:00.12 | SynrG | _paul: yes. but they should be called for all interfaces that were set up via ifup. i assume this means that eth0 is not set up via ifup, but if so, i don't know what does set it up |
| 12:00.17 | QUACH-689 | hello is there a package of apache web server + php + mysql for debian ? |
| 12:00.26 | ricky_clarkson | Hi. Do any of the game consoles that are capable of running Debian (or any other Linux) have >1 sound output? |
| 12:00.35 | QUACH-689 | which i can use apt-get install to setup it? |
| 12:00.52 | _paul | SynrG: Test it with 'ifup eth0' |
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| 12:01.26 | SynrG | Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. |
| 12:01.52 | _paul | SynrG: What does 'ifconfig' show? |
| 12:01.54 | aeho | I have a bad problem: my keyboard "ALT" keys don't work in XFCE |
| 12:01.54 | cahoot | _paul: SynrG isn't there a way to make the scripts more verbose when running (ste -x or such)? |
| 12:02.03 | liberion | ricky_clarkson, yes cedega |
| 12:02.19 | TinoW | aeho: get some "new" keys then |
| 12:02.29 | SynrG | _paul: ifconfig shows lo and eth0 are up |
| 12:02.30 | sep | SynrG: you have eth0 configured with /etc/network/interfaces ? i get that when i do a typo in there |
| 12:02.38 | afabian | liberion: distributions are useful proxies between the user and an incredible multitude of difficult-to-integrate components. In that regard, Debian is one of the best distributions, in selecting packages based on factors other than the highest version number, coercing packages to work the Debian-way, etc. |
| 12:02.49 | ricky_clarkson | liberion: What is Cedega? |
| 12:02.50 | aeho | TinoW: what do you mean? |
| 12:02.55 | ricky_clarkson | I'm googling but it seems vague. |
| 12:03.04 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, WineX. |
| 12:03.19 | ricky_clarkson | liberion: I was looking for a piece of hardware. |
| 12:03.22 | liberion | afabian, exactly thats why freetype 2 made an impression |
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| 12:03.27 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, i don't think any of them do |
| 12:03.35 | SynrG | sep: oddly, no. so that is consistent with the error message. so this is the root cause. but i still don't know how eth0 is set up. it is "magic" |
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| 12:03.41 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, two of them have optical connctors, if you want to write an AC3 encoder |
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| 12:03.51 | QUACH-689 | hello is there a package of apache web server + php + mysql for debian ? which i can use apt-get install to setup it? |
| 12:03.57 | maher | QUACH-689: yes |
| 12:03.58 | sep | SynrG: your not doing pxe/network boot or something ? |
| 12:04.03 | vchrizz | afabian: (im using ext3) ive got "powerquest boot magic" in the mbr... and i would prefer to leave it like that ;) im curious what to do to "remove" the ntldr msg while booting /dev/hda3 and boot debian instead |
| 12:04.03 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, or if you can get the closed-source nvsound kernel module running on an xbox, that'd do 5.1 over optical |
| 12:04.10 | SynrG | ah, never mind |
| 12:04.16 | SynrG | sep: it's due to the age of my system |
| 12:04.37 | _paul | SynrG: I had firewire setting up eth1 on my system... |
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| 12:04.42 | SynrG | sep: some releases back we transitioned from /etc/init.d/network to this new structure, and my old scripts remained in place |
| 12:04.44 | QUACH-689 | maher can you help me ? what is the name of package? |
| 12:05.01 | SynrG | sep: so my own system is not a good reference system for this test. |
| 12:05.10 | QUACH-689 | i want to install apache + php + mysql |
| 12:05.12 | afabian | vchrizz: install grub in /dev/hda3, unless I misunderstand what bootmagic is doing. |
| 12:05.12 | aeho | It is so annoying that I can't even configure mozilla-thunderbird because ALT keys don't work in this shit |
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| 12:05.37 | afabian | It appears that you don't have a boot-loader to load Linux, and Linux always requires a bootloader. |
| 12:05.50 | resiak | aeho: Check the keymap settings? |
| 12:05.51 | vchrizz | afabian: ya, how do i do that? the manpage doesnt describes it |
| 12:05.53 | afabian | (Well, every operating system does, I suppose.) |
| 12:05.57 | liberion | afabian, waht debian should i start stable or unstable? |
| 12:06.03 | directhex|work | liberion, stable. |
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| 12:06.33 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: Interesting. |
| 12:06.38 | TBBle | QUACH-689: You can use apt-cache search to find packages for apache, php and mysql. |
| 12:06.45 | Shadur | Either that or I'm missing something |
| 12:06.46 | afabian | stable is pretty up-to-date at the moment. certainly a good time to use it for a while before you jump on with unstable. |
| 12:06.48 | liberion | directhex, its that good eeh ,how good and fast is it |
| 12:06.52 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: Any other inexpensive hardware that is programmable and has two outputs? |
| 12:06.52 | sep | SynrG: i see |
| 12:06.59 | QUACH-689 | TBB i can find apache package |
| 12:07.22 | TBBle | QUACH-689: Good, install that. Now you just need php and mysql. |
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| 12:07.29 | tralala | liberion: it's 8 good and 10 fast |
| 12:07.39 | QUACH-689 | TBB i can not find apache package,sorry |
| 12:07.49 | _paul | SynrG: So it was using magic... |
| 12:07.52 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, a via epia? low-end epia should have 3 outputs on it, and an x86 cpu. shove in 256mb ram and a cheap hard disk, you're not looking at much more than £130 for the thing |
| 12:07.53 | aeho | My keyboard settings should be right, thought I don't know what I should write to xkbvariant (I currently have "pc105" in it) |
| 12:08.09 | tarzeau | SynrG: tried apt-get install supertransball2 yet ? :) |
| 12:08.11 | afabian | vchrizz: grub root(hd0,2) setup(hd0,2) quit. make sure grub.conf is properly configured to load your Linux kernel from wherever. hopefully, the installer has everything else taken care of. |
| 12:08.12 | liberion | tralala, well im use to slackwares speed ,redhat and mandrake are slugs |
| 12:08.22 | SynrG | sep,_paul: valuable lesson (re-)learned. for any debian system with non-trivial revision history, carefully check every init script that could run at boot, and don't just assume it works as per default. |
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| 12:08.37 | TBBle | QUACH-689: "apt-cache search apache" should provide a whole mess of packages with the word 'apache' in the description. Find the ones that say they're the apache server, read the descriptions with "apt-cache show pkgname" and pick the one that looks right. |
| 12:08.41 | SynrG | which i should then re-apply to the system i'm trying to debug. |
| 12:08.42 | SynrG | thanks |
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| 12:08.51 | SynrG | tarzeau: no, unfortunately |
| 12:09.01 | afabian | vchrizz: those are commands to type at the interactive grub prompt, not on the command line. |
| 12:09.07 | tarzeau | SynrG: how is debian junior project doing? |
| 12:09.10 | SynrG | tarzeau: even my own packages are not getting the attention they need. |
| 12:09.11 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: Is that just a motherboard? |
| 12:09.19 | sep | SynrG: when this transition happened, wanst there instructions on how to migrate to the new structure ? |
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| 12:09.32 | SynrG | tarzeau: it is on life support. only things that are horribly broken are getting fixed. |
| 12:10.02 | hejux | when i try 202.195.161.2 in gftp it first try ftp.161.195.202.in-addr.arpa:23 why ? |
| 12:10.11 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, 17x17 motherboard with integrated low-power i386-grade cpu, sound, graphics, lan |
| 12:10.17 | tarzeau | hejux: that's the same |
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| 12:10.20 | ricky_clarkson | 17x17 what? Inches? |
| 12:10.27 | tarzeau | hejux: because you have name resolving enabled |
| 12:10.29 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, http://www.viavpsd.com/product/epia_m_spec.jsp?motherboardId=81. and centimetres. |
| 12:10.31 | SynrG | sep: certainly. there is no doubt it is my fault my system is this way. i put it on my TODO that day and never got around to changing it |
| 12:10.45 | directhex|work | 17 centimeters = 6.69291339 inches |
| 12:10.45 | idnar | "apt-cache search apache server" will narrow it down more |
| 12:10.55 | QUACH-689 | thanks TBB |
| 12:11.02 | directhex|work | if you damn yanks didn't insist on using inches at random, you wouldn't have lost multiple several million dollar space probes |
| 12:11.02 | hejux | tarzeau: it cost me a lot of time and at the end it failed to conect to 202.195.161.2 |
| 12:11.07 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: Interesting. Is that used in old laptops or something? |
| 12:11.15 | tarzeau | hejux: well maybe it doesn't run? |
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| 12:11.41 | tarzeau | hejux: i can't connect either. it's broken.b esides 23 is telnet and not ftp (20/21) |
| 12:11.45 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, it's used for embedded projects where x86 is required, or for very small form factor pcs |
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| 12:11.52 | tarzeau | hejux: i think your software is horrible broken try ftp or lftp instead |
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| 12:12.23 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: x86 isn't required, but it'd be easier. |
| 12:12.34 | TBBle | And there's a 12cmx12cm nano-ITX from via coming in Octoberish. Make a nice fanless HDTV tuner/media center, I think. |
| 12:12.56 | SynrG | my apologies to the channel for my broad generalization about "atmosphere". i was wrong to not check your topic, having made far too many assumptions myself. |
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| 12:13.08 | DimmuR | I have compiled some gnome applet and its in /usr/local/bin but i cant see it on applet-manager so how can i add it to desktop? |
| 12:13.13 | directhex|work | TBBle, yep, though it's not ideal for encoding (the onboard mpeg accelerator helps though) |
| 12:13.25 | ricky_clarkson | I want to experiment with making a tiny MP3/OGG/WAV player and mixer with speed up and slow down support. |
| 12:13.56 | _paul | DimmuR: Right click and select browse. |
| 12:14.22 | DimmuR | _paul: as i said - i dont see this applet there |
| 12:14.22 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, that's the exact target use for an epia |
| 12:15.03 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, http://mini-itx.com/projects.asp |
| 12:15.04 | hejux | tarzeau : is it a bug ? |
| 12:15.25 | hejux | someone maybe has sovled this problem ? |
| 12:15.38 | DimmuR | _paul: i dont have such option like "browse" |
| 12:15.51 | Assid | damn.. i still cant get the 2.4->2.6 update to take place |
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| 12:17.03 | Alcatras | Hi! What php based webmail service do you suggest for IMAPS? Maybe with GPG support. |
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| 12:17.28 | ice04 | Hi all, how do u apt-get the sendmail app on ubuntu - Trying to learn it |
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| 12:17.33 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: I think I'll write a Java mixing program first and then see what I can port it to. Should be fun. |
| 12:17.35 | Stereo | Alcatras: try squirrelmail or ilohamail |
| 12:17.42 | _paul | DimmuR: My bad, there must be file somewhere to tell the applet manager whats available. Try looking in another applet package... |
| 12:17.45 | TBBle | Actually, I need a simple USB-sound + serial circuit so I can roboticise my singing fish. |
| 12:17.53 | sep | Alcatras: been fighting with horde lately. you can try thatone. and recomending is difficult since you have to try them and see how you like em |
| 12:18.17 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, you might like http://mini-itx.com/projects/humidor64/ - i certainly do |
| 12:18.27 | Alcatras | Stereo: Thx, will try. |
| 12:18.29 | DimmuR | _paul: maybe there is specific path where i should install ? |
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| 12:19.23 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: Crazy. ;) |
| 12:19.27 | Whisky_ | how do I know if I have TCL/Tk installed? |
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| 12:19.48 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg -l | grep -i tcl |
| 12:19.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching |
| 12:19.56 | ice04 | Hi all where can i get sendmail for ubuntu, using the apt-get, i can down load as tar or debian package but would like to use apt-get |
| 12:20.19 | Whisky_ | ice04; apt-get install sendmail |
| 12:20.21 | ice04 | total newbie here my apologies |
| 12:20.30 | ice04 | Thanks Whisky |
| 12:20.41 | Whisky_ | np |
| 12:20.55 | ice04 | Hi whiskey package not available |
| 12:21.04 | ricky_clarkson | ice04: 1. Ubuntu is discussed in #ubuntu. 2. Use exim. |
| 12:21.11 | Whisky_ | yup |
| 12:21.13 | afabian | heh. |
| 12:21.19 | ice04 | exim ?? |
| 12:21.22 | _paul | DimmuR: What did the install doc's say that came with it? |
| 12:21.24 | wols_ | ice04: use another mail tronasport agent then. also ask in #ubuntu instead of debian |
| 12:21.31 | TBBle | Or postfix, or nullmailer. Really, it depends on what you want to _do_ with sendmail. |
| 12:21.32 | wols_ | *transport |
| 12:21.41 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, but VERY pretty. combine a polished spanish cedarwood pc, with dark cherrywood keyboard mouse & monitor from http://holzkontor.us/ |
| 12:21.43 | ice04 | ohhh sorry will do my apologies again |
| 12:21.47 | afabian | If you're wondering how to get sendmail, sendmail is not the place to start. |
| 12:22.21 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: My main aim is to get something very portable that I can DJ with. |
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| 12:23.45 | DimmuR | _paul: doc's say that default applet is installed in /usr/local/bin and man in /usr/local/man but i'm almost sure that this should be other path... but i have no idea which |
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| 12:26.50 | tralala | why do soooo many people think that compiling from source is easier than reading the documents and searching the web?! |
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| 12:27.23 | _paul | DimmuR: I checked out gnome-system-monitor and it has its executable in /usr/bin but has a file in /usr/share/applications/gnome-system-monitor.desktop and /usr/share/gconf/schemas/gnome-system-monitor.schemas |
| 12:27.43 | Shorty-- | hmm |
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| 12:27.58 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: ./configure && make && make install |
| 12:28.05 | Shorty-- | how come my dpkg keeps looking for DEBIAN/ not debian/ when I'm trying to build a package/ |
| 12:28.27 | TinoW | ricky_clarkson: there are a lot more options. Lets alone the depencies on libs you install |
| 12:28.30 | tralala | ricky_clarkson: and then paste here 300+ lines of make error msgs? |
| 12:28.45 | ricky_clarkson | tralala: I choose the brief version. |
| 12:29.05 | ricky_clarkson | Why doesn't it work? |
| 12:29.05 | ricky_clarkson | Debian sucks. |
| 12:29.08 | tralala | you are not forced to use it though - switch to fedora |
| 12:29.19 | ricky_clarkson | I'd rather bite my own arm off. |
| 12:29.25 | rikva | Hi all, I need a app that can make thumbnails of MPEGs, does anyone know of something? |
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| 12:29.35 | TinoW | ricky_clarkson: it works when you do it right |
| 12:29.47 | directhex|work | rikva, transcode. or mencoder. |
| 12:29.50 | Shorty-- | ricky_clarkson, the only people I've ever heard say that were shortsighted fools, or people that I've since converted and LOVE debian. |
| 12:30.05 | ricky_clarkson | Shorty--: There's a new kind then. The sarcastic. |
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| 12:30.15 | Shorty-- | gah. |
| 12:30.20 | Shorty-- | i hate it when people troll like that. |
| 12:30.24 | TinoW | directhex|work: I'd like to know the options for these programs to make thumbnails from vids too ;) |
| 12:30.25 | bobwJek | hey everyone, anyone know how to change the title bar in putty to show my IP address rather than the pwd? |
| 12:30.29 | Shorty-- | I get all fired up too. |
| 12:30.35 | dbeal | Yeah, really weak troll attempt |
| 12:30.46 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry. I'm a regular here, but not much recently, so I kind of thought you'd know I was joking. |
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| 12:30.46 | Shorty-- | not even a smiley. |
| 12:30.48 | Shorty-- | sheesh. |
| 12:30.54 | Shorty-- | ahha |
| 12:31.01 | Shorty-- | I barely have time to look in here anymore |
| 12:31.03 | Shorty-- | damn work. |
| 12:31.10 | Shorty-- | ISP stuff sucks ass;P |
| 12:31.21 | directhex|work | he is? i've never seen this "ricky_clarkson" individual before. intruder! |
| 12:31.27 | Shorty-- | !! |
| 12:31.27 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 12:31.28 | Shorty-- | shoot him! |
| 12:31.28 | TBBle | Shorty--: if it's looking for DEBIAN/ instead of debian/ then something's badly wrong. DEBIAN/ is the directory with the debian stuff in the output package, not the source package. |
| 12:31.29 | nkuttler | bobwJek: you could use screen |
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| 12:31.44 | ricky_clarkson | I still use Debian but I don't update sid often, so I concentrated on stuff I keep up to date with, i.e., Java and Ant (make for Java). |
| 12:31.50 | Shorty-- | TBBle, odd.. this is with dpkg -b |
| 12:31.50 | bobwJek | nkuttler, screen not really what im looking to do |
| 12:32.13 | antgel | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.13 | dpkg | ...but ! is already something else... |
| 12:32.18 | TBBle | bobwJek: Putty shows an XTerm titlebar if such is set. So soemthing's setting your xterm title bar to pwd. |
| 12:32.20 | antgel | doh lol |
| 12:32.30 | afabian | it depends on what you want to do. With a pretty complicated apache configuration on a dedicated web-server, it usually does seem easier to just compile stuff than try to coerce binary packages into doing what you want, trying to figure out what undocumented way the packaging system you're using decided to handle complex apache configurations, etc. |
| 12:32.30 | TinoW | bobwJek: does putty read the xterm control sequences? |
| 12:32.46 | TBBle | bobwJek: You can either turn that off in Putty, or change whatever's setting it. (Try your .profile's setting of PS1 for a start) |
| 12:32.48 | Shorty-- | I've gotten a source package, I've done some modifications and I'd like to repackage, dpkg -b directory/ is the correct way, is it not? |
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| 12:32.59 | antgel | but then i learnt !! at my first unix job where i used csh and tcsh. |
| 12:33.16 | Shorty-- | what's !! ? |
| 12:33.30 | antgel | it runs last command |
| 12:33.34 | Shorty-- | ah, ok |
| 12:33.34 | antgel | in shell |
| 12:33.36 | Shorty-- | nice. |
| 12:33.47 | TBBle | dpkg -b builds a package out of a compiled and layed out directory tree. You shouldn't have to use it, barring major major strangeless. You probably mean dpkg-buildpackage -b? |
| 12:33.55 | Shorty-- | ah |
| 12:33.56 | TBBle | stangeness, not strangeless. Sorry |
| 12:33.57 | antgel | and if you know the history number then !number runs that command |
| 12:33.59 | Shorty-- | my bad then.. :) |
| 12:34.13 | Shorty-- | that works with bash now? |
| 12:34.23 | antgel | always has ever since i've used it |
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| 12:34.28 | wols_ | Shorty--: inside the modified source directory (where you have a subdir named "debian/"), I usually just run dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 12:34.31 | Shorty-- | fantastic. |
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| 12:35.02 | SynrG | tarzeau: perhaps the thing to do to advance both of our goals is to meet and discuss jr, and get some of these "stuck" todo items moving along |
| 12:35.15 | TBBle | dpkg -b will be run at the end of the dpkg-buildpackage run... If you stopped right before the end, you'd see debian/tmp (for a single binary package, name may vary) containing DEBIAN/ and a whole bunch of other directories which get overlayed over / during installation. |
| 12:35.28 | Shorty-- | ah. ok |
| 12:35.28 | bobwJek | TinoW, TBBle, Nkuttler - looks like a setting in putty>window>Behavior...thanks for the help |
| 12:35.29 | Shorty-- | I see now |
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| 12:35.46 | SynrG | tarzeau: right now, i'm just carrying around a mental todo "some time, look at tarzeau's stuff" that's never going to get done at this rate, without nailing it down to a certain time |
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| 12:37.11 | SynrG | tarzeau: pop by #debian-jr and i'll see what we can work out |
| 12:37.13 | dbeal | TBBle, saying you've got a package compiled, how do you go about replacing the existing package? Wouldn't one want to put it in the list of available packages? |
| 12:37.29 | ricky_clarkson | Who shot Debian JR? |
| 12:37.31 | TBBle | dbeal: Nah, just dpkg -i the package to install it. |
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| 12:38.13 | TBBle | You _could_ use something like apt-ftparchive to put the packages somewhere with a Release file and a Packages so that apt-get can see it, but I consider that overkill for something you're only using locally. |
| 12:38.14 | dbeal | TBBle, though I don't suppose it'd be difficult to make a local repository. |
| 12:38.25 | bobwJek | TinoW, TBBle, Nkuttler - Do you guys know where the putty profile is, so i can take all the custom settings on a disk? |
| 12:38.27 | TBBle | apt-ftparchive pretty much automates it, as I under stand it. |
| 12:38.29 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: I appreciate your info, thanks a lot. |
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| 12:38.57 | TBBle | bobwJek: Somewhere in the registry, sadly, as I recall. HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/<authorname> as I recall. |
| 12:39.27 | tralala | yes, it's in the registry |
| 12:39.45 | tralala | it has a very convinent feature - called search |
| 12:39.59 | jethro | @annoy tralala |
| 12:39.59 | ravenbird | tralala: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
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| 12:44.43 | budluva | anyone have a good link to dvd burning in deb with nerolinux? i've never used nerolinux before and i need to burn this .img |
| 12:45.05 | geemark | sorry for asking here, but #alsa is completely dead - how do I find out what the 700 different switches in alsamixer does? |
| 12:45.06 | directhex|work | budluva, erm... hjow is it complex? run nerolinux, click file, burn image |
| 12:45.09 | TBBle | There's a nero for linux? Wow. |
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| 12:45.37 | TBBle | The 700 switches in alsamixer? They're prolly provided by the sound card. Best bet is the sound card or alsa driver's documentation. |
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| 12:45.47 | directhex|work | TBBle, http://www.nero.com/eng/PR_2005_06_02.html |
| 12:45.51 | budluva | directhex, well last time i tried to burn it it didnt work and i have limited dvd's left :P |
| 12:46.04 | geemark | TBBle: any experience with soundblaster live? |
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| 12:46.06 | resiak | !fgi budluva nerolinux+dvd+iso+burn |
| 12:46.07 | dpkg | budluva: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=nerolinux+dvd+iso+burn |
| 12:46.08 | tralala | budluva: use k3b instead |
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| 12:46.26 | geemark | another weird thig is, that muting "Master" or changing master volume has no effect at all |
| 12:46.32 | budluva | tralala, k3b cant burn nero .img's |
| 12:46.39 | budluva | resiak, thanks |
| 12:46.42 | TBBle | "The bundle of the Samsung TS-H552U WriteMaster with NeroLINUX will begin shipping June 2005 and will be available for a period of one month." O_O |
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| 12:47.00 | directhex|work | TBBle, http://www.nero.com/eng/NeroLINUX.html |
| 12:47.13 | directhex|work | budluva, nero doesn't use .img, nero uses .nrg |
| 12:47.32 | resiak | budluva: My pleasure. |
| 12:47.41 | tralala | resiak: hehe :) |
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| 12:48.07 | TBBle | Ah, much better... What's "höher"? I'm guessing either 'higher' or 'lower' and it's prolly 'higher', but I'd like to be sure. |
| 12:48.11 | tralala | budluva: this is why I don't use propriarity file formats whenever I have alternatives |
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| 12:49.17 | jharrisonwk | are kernel panics logged? |
| 12:49.30 | directhex|work | if you're lucky |
| 12:49.34 | jharrisonwk | thats what I thought |
| 12:49.41 | jharrisonwk | if they are logged where would they be |
| 12:49.43 | afabian | Most of the time when I see proprietary file formats, they're "gratituously incompatible"; presumably, the software offers special features that can only be used via it's own format, but the file you've gotten doesn't do anything special that an open/standard format couldn't have done. |
| 12:49.47 | directhex|work | /var/log/kern.log |
| 12:49.57 | jharrisonwk | thats also what I thought |
| 12:50.01 | jharrisonwk | only this is a redhat system |
| 12:50.09 | jharrisonwk | there is no /var/log/kern.log |
| 12:50.15 | directhex|work | budluva, what does "file thethingyouhad.img" say? |
| 12:51.44 | budluva | directhex, ChappelleD1S2-DVDR-ThP.img: data |
| 12:51.45 | pango | jharrisonwk: /var/log/kernel maybe ? it's set in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 12:52.01 | jharrisonwk | pango: I dont see any log for that either |
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| 12:52.23 | budluva | directhex, when i load the .img in k3b it says file is not an iso9660 image, but continues to do the md5 sumcheck anyway |
| 12:52.45 | directhex|work | hm................ my brain is telling me............. |
| 12:52.53 | directhex|work | .img is a CloneCD image, the data portion thereof |
| 12:52.56 | pango | jharrisonwk: only /etc/syslog.conf will tell then |
| 12:53.02 | directhex|work | it needs a .ccd cuesheet to go with it |
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| 12:53.20 | resiak | !worship directhex|work |
| 12:53.27 | budluva | it was all rar'd and the only file thats in the archive is the .img |
| 12:53.39 | budluva | no ccd |
| 12:53.41 | resiak | warez!!! |
| 12:53.45 | eggs | ? |
| 12:53.57 | directhex|work | budluva, go to your warez site of origin, check the nfo section for an explanation. .img is not a nero disk image. |
| 12:53.57 | budluva | eeek |
| 12:53.58 | pango | jharrisonwk: but as already set, you'll only find something in logs if you're lucky. The kernel may have been unable to write to files after the crash (or deliberately stopped writing to disks to prevent possible evil things) |
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| 12:54.12 | DotHack | anyone familiar with samba in here? sorry to ask but in #samba no one is active |
| 12:54.26 | jharrisonwk | pango: thats what I thought |
| 12:54.31 | eggs | warez is old old things |
| 12:54.32 | resiak | DotHack: Just ask |
| 12:54.39 | eggs | now is ... |
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| 12:54.47 | directhex|work | hang on... oh shit, i know what .img on its own is |
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| 12:54.52 | jharrisonwk | pango: the problem is that the kernel panic error was attempt to kill init which from what I can tell could be caused by a lot of different things |
| 12:54.53 | pango | s/set/said/ (uh) |
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| 12:55.00 | eggs | a new keyword ... |
| 12:55.06 | DotHack | Well if i create a new folder or item in a samba share i have to press F5 (refresh) to make it appear |
| 12:55.09 | jharrisonwk | pango: im trying to find out why the panic happened and how it can be avoided in the future |
| 12:55.13 | directhex|work | .img in isolation is a mac osx disk image |
| 12:55.15 | DotHack | does anyone know a fix for this? |
| 12:55.29 | jimi | hey anyone know of a debian equivalent of the local area network icon found in windowz? |
| 12:55.33 | resiak | directhex|work: That's .dmg? |
| 12:55.37 | Ekaterin | I'm trying to upgrade to sarge using dselect. Any idea why it keeps choking on emacs21? |
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| 12:55.45 | resiak | jimi: Use nautilus? |
| 12:55.46 | azol | DotHack: winxp? |
| 12:55.52 | budluva | directhex, i read the nfo, no mention of what burning program to use or even what was used to create the img |
| 12:55.54 | quitte | jimi: you can use the icon from windows |
| 12:56.14 | directhex|work | resiak, depends on the version the file was made with, i think |
| 12:56.14 | jimi | quitte: i mean like it shows upload download usage in the tray |
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| 12:56.20 | TinoW | bobwJek: I dont use putty ;) |
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| 12:56.31 | directhex|work | budluva, complain to your local warez group |
| 12:56.38 | tralala | jimi: xosview +net |
| 12:56.41 | DotHack | azol: yes |
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| 12:57.18 | budluva | directhex, bah, screw them, anyway, is it possible to burn non iso9660 images to dvd via k3b? |
| 12:57.28 | budluva | directhex, or will it burn and just not play in my dvd player? |
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| 12:57.30 | hejux | may i ask how to run "getleft" ? |
| 12:57.36 | jimi | tralala: thanks champ, just what i needed |
| 12:57.43 | jhaig | I'm trying to do an "apt-get upgrade" on a machine that has recently gone from Woody to Sarge and it is halting with an error: "`Depends' field, reference to `libasound2': error in version: version string is empty". Can anyone help? |
| 12:57.46 | directhex|work | budluva, k3b only works with iso9660 and red-book cdaudio |
| 12:57.54 | azol | DotHack: I think, it's a bug in XP. win98 doesn't have the trouble |
| 12:57.55 | tralala | jimi: you're welcome |
| 12:58.03 | budluva | directhex, ahh ok, and nero only supports .nrg correct? |
| 12:58.05 | pango | jharrisonwk: does it crash in single mode ? |
| 12:58.11 | Szymek | hi, anybody can give me some hints on how to install new glibc ?? |
| 12:58.18 | resiak | hejux: What's getleft? |
| 12:58.18 | directhex|work | budluva, nero supports iso9660, udf, and nrg |
| 12:58.20 | tralala | hejux: run wget instead. It is powerful. |
| 12:58.21 | budluva | directhex, along with regular bin/cue and isos? |
| 12:58.26 | jharrisonwk | pango: no |
| 12:58.28 | budluva | directhex, yeah ok |
| 12:58.44 | directhex|work | budluva, nrg is an encapsulated iso9660, which can also contain sections of wav (iso is one .iso per data track, one wav per audio track, nrg contains all tracks in one file) |
| 12:58.44 | jharrisonwk | pango: and the system will run for 1 to 2 months just fine |
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| 12:58.51 | jharrisonwk | pango: then one day bam kernel panic |
| 12:58.57 | pango | jharrisonwk: memtest ? |
| 12:58.59 | directhex|work | budluva, bin/cue is a global hawk technologies cdrwin image |
| 12:59.10 | directhex|work | budluva, similar to nrg, but can store subcode data in a .sub |
| 12:59.31 | budluva | directhex, so you can have multiple iso tracks in an nrg? ie 3x .iso tracks and say 6x .wav tracks? |
| 12:59.31 | directhex|work | budluva, i.e. allows low-accuracy error-uncorrected copies, for old versions of safedisc copy protection |
| 12:59.39 | directhex|work | budluva, exactly that |
| 12:59.45 | jetx | jhaig: maybe apt-get -f install |
| 12:59.51 | budluva | ahh |
| 12:59.53 | jetx | not sure |
| 12:59.54 | hejux | resiak :http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/sw_list.php?id_kategory=90 the second one |
| 13:00.06 | jharrisonwk | pango: I guess it could be memory but we recently changed the system |
| 13:00.19 | jharrisonwk | pango: like we took the drives out and put it in an entirely new system |
| 13:00.29 | jharrisonwk | pango: so the ram is different motherboard ,etc... |
| 13:00.29 | jhaig | jetx: Will that clear the problem, or just force an upgrade once? |
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| 13:00.38 | resiak | hejux: wget does all that |
| 13:00.46 | jharrisonwk | pango: they only thing that is common is the scsi card and tape drive |
| 13:00.46 | jetx | jetx it might fix the problem, won't do an upgrade |
| 13:00.57 | jetx | heh... errr jhaig |
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| 13:01.06 | budluva | directhex, hrmm...well are you aware of any methods on finding out how or what created this mystery .img of mine? |
| 13:01.09 | directhex|work | wget is fine, other than the 2gb limit |
| 13:01.12 | hejux | resiak: wget multithread ? |
| 13:01.25 | resiak | hejux: man wget |
| 13:01.28 | TBBle | budluva: I don't suppose 'file' recognises it? |
| 13:01.33 | directhex|work | budluva, if file doesn't know about it, then no. i can't think of any cd burning convention that uses .img on its own |
| 13:01.41 | jetx | k3b creates .img's |
| 13:01.43 | budluva | TBBle, file just shows blah.img: DATA |
| 13:01.45 | tralala | TBBle: it doesn't |
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| 13:02.02 | hejux | resiak : i got a gwget |
| 13:02.06 | jetx | i've always been able to mount .img's as iso9660 |
| 13:02.12 | budluva | k3b doesnt recognize it as an iso9660 image |
| 13:02.18 | jhaig | jetx: Tried that. Still didn't work. |
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| 13:02.27 | jetx | no, but it will use a .img to burn with |
| 13:02.37 | resiak | hejux: Try wget? |
| 13:02.37 | jetx | change the file type when you're browsing |
| 13:02.46 | Karnaugh | you know whats cool, Solaris 10 |
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| 13:02.54 | directhex|work | jetx, .img doesn't MEAN anything in isolation |
| 13:02.55 | TBBle | Grab a trial version of cloneCD, fire it up in wine, and if it works, see if it recognises the .img file? |
| 13:02.58 | tralala | !pal Karnaugh |
| 13:03.02 | Karnaugh | it just like randomly fucks out |
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| 13:03.12 | Karnaugh | quite a nifty feature |
| 13:03.14 | minded | hi, what package should i install to view japanese fonts in moxilla? |
| 13:03.15 | xoz | jhaig: apt-get update first? |
| 13:03.19 | directhex|work | TBBle, won't open in clonecd without the .ccd |
| 13:03.24 | jetx | my point is that it doesn't recognize it, but will utilize it |
| 13:03.26 | TBBle | Oh. |
| 13:03.26 | resiak | Karnaugh: You know what's uncool? Karnaugh maps. :-) |
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| 13:03.34 | Karnaugh | resiak: nah, those are pretty cool |
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| 13:03.48 | TBBle | In that case, you're left with the earlier suggestion, check the .nfo file for instructions. |
| 13:03.50 | xoz | minded: just choose shit-jis in the menu for char encoding |
| 13:04.06 | TBBle | Or "autodetect Japanese" if it's there. |
| 13:04.11 | idealbsd | jhaig, have a test with aptitude,if not maybe you should deal with force options in dpkg or remove related packages first to upgrade |
| 13:04.27 | minded | xoz: mm, that doesn't work... |
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| 13:04.38 | xoz | autodtect doesn't often work for japanese font |
| 13:04.38 | TBBle | You'll also need mozilla and some japanese TTF fonts. ^_^ |
| 13:04.43 | pango | jharrisonwk: there's a "howto report oopsen" in kernel sources (or in linux-kernel mailing list FAQ) with tips on how to get current process/process list/memory usage/... that often still works after an oops |
| 13:04.47 | resiak | Karnaugh: Do you have an exam involving them tomorrow? |
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| 13:04.56 | xoz | minded: try the other two... euc-jp ... |
| 13:04.56 | pango | jharrisonwk: maybe something can be learned that way if there's nothing in logs |
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| 13:05.03 | vicky | hi |
| 13:05.09 | vicky | hello every one |
| 13:05.12 | minded | TBBle: i guess i don't have the right fonts.. |
| 13:05.15 | suposs | is the a howto on wireless in Debian? |
| 13:05.16 | budluva | hrmm...its part of a 3 dvd set and the nfo for disc3 mentions ahead nero but doesnt specifically say that it was created or should be burned with nero |
| 13:05.20 | TBBle | Autodetect _ought_ to work for Japanese, you can easily tell the common japanese charsets apart, and they're all ascii supersets as I recall. |
| 13:05.34 | jhaig | idealbsd: I'll try that next. First, I'm trying replacing /var/lib/dpkg/available with /var/lib/dpkg/available-old |
| 13:05.42 | tralala | !fgi suposs debian+wireless+howto |
| 13:05.43 | dpkg | suposs: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian+wireless+howto |
| 13:05.44 | TBBle | minded: Do you get the right character layout, but all boxes, or do you get mojibake? |
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| 13:06.24 | minded | TBBle: the boxex... |
| 13:06.33 | minded | er, boxes |
| 13:06.42 | jharrisonwk | pango: ok ill read |
| 13:06.47 | jharrisonwk | pango: thanks |
| 13:07.08 | TBBle | minded: Go to the font preferences, see what fonts you can pick for Japanese character set. If you've got watanabe mincho or similar installed, that'll work. |
| 13:07.09 | daxxar | Is there any problem with using local chars from ISO-8859-1 (iirc) in email aliases for exim4? (/etc/aliases) |
| 13:07.18 | jhaig | Well, switching the 'available' file seems to have worked. |
| 13:07.21 | pango | jharrisonwk: something with SAK combo (Ctrl-Alt-SysRq) then a letter. that needs to be compiled in the kernel |
| 13:07.21 | daxxar | Like æøå, except, of course, people from foreign countries reaching them. |
| 13:07.25 | suposs | tralala: Yeah, thanks a lot. You really think I didn't do that first? |
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| 13:07.51 | Karnaugh | resiak: no, I had an exam involving them on monday |
| 13:08.09 | resiak | Karnaugh: Hah |
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| 13:08.16 | budluva | is it possible to mount an .img if its not an iso9660 image? |
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| 13:08.33 | marcot | Is packages.debian.org down? |
| 13:08.33 | tralala | suposs: yes, I do, because you failed to mention it |
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| 13:09.02 | directhex|work | budluva, if you know the file system, you can mount it |
| 13:09.03 | eggs | down? |
| 13:09.04 | Karnaugh | resiak: we do easy stuff though, like prove complete sets etc |
| 13:09.29 | minded | TBBle: i guess you mean the preference in mozilla? there's only 'Japanese' ... |
| 13:09.31 | budluva | directhex, and file blahblah.img is my only hope eh? |
| 13:09.31 | tralala | suposs: /msg dpkg wireless. It's not debian specific but it's good. |
| 13:09.34 | TBBle | budluva: That'd depend on what it was. If it's zisofs, and you've got the module, sure. If it's whatever whacky format Irix CDs were in, and you've got the module, sure. If it's an Xbox ISO, then only if you can locate the mythical xbox cd filesystem module. |
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| 13:09.47 | marcot | I can't search for any package in debian website. |
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| 13:09.59 | resiak | Karnaugh: mmkay |
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| 13:10.00 | TBBle | minded: Hmm. I haven't used mozilla for a while, but I recall you could pick a language, and then chose the fixed width and proportional fonts for that language. |
| 13:10.17 | Szymek | don't want to repeat myself but how should i install compiled glibc ? i tried few times with non interesting results ... |
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| 13:10.39 | TBBle | If you're replacing glibc without interesting results, you either know what you're doing, or did it wrong. ^_^ |
| 13:10.55 | caphuso | daxxar: don't |
| 13:10.56 | budluva | TBBle, its a dvdr, dave chappelle s1d1 to be exact, and its in a fucked up .img which k3b doesnt recognize as iso9660, and nero wont burn it, file blahblah.img shows DATA |
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| 13:11.28 | pango | jharrisonwk: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/{oops-tracing.txt,sysrq.txt} |
| 13:11.35 | cahoot | Szymek: in the latest debian weekly news there's a linkt to a howto for safe creation/install of modified pkgs |
| 13:11.35 | Szymek | the secod option :) |
| 13:11.39 | minded | TBBle: does it make any difference to restart x after installing ttf fonts? |
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| 13:11.56 | tralala | suposs: ah, and by the way - asking smart quesitons minimizes the possibility of receiving stupid answers |
| 13:12.05 | TBBle | minded: I actually have no idea. -_-. Japanese fonts usually go onto my system at the same time as X. But it might be worth a try. |
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| 13:12.30 | TBBle | budluva: Then I think you're boned. Go back to whoever you got the file from, and ask them for something unboned. Preferably an ISO or ISO/UDF hybrid. |
| 13:12.33 | eggs | marcot: do you need that? |
| 13:12.38 | Szymek | but i want to compile it from source |
| 13:12.47 | Szymek | dont ask why :] |
| 13:12.57 | suposs | tralala: "is the a howto on wireless in Debian?" is a very specific, concise question if you ask me. |
| 13:13.00 | cahoot | Szymek: check out the link then |
| 13:13.00 | eggs | marcot: source -> deb |
| 13:13.01 | TBBle | Szymek: But I'm dying with curiosity. |
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| 13:13.31 | suposs | tralala: But thanks for the /msg dpkg wireless advice, I'll look into it |
| 13:13.44 | eggs | marcot: deb -> source hehe |
| 13:13.50 | Szymek | i am a very stubburn guy, to many times for now i destroyed my system to stop now ;) |
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| 13:13.57 | TBBle | suposs: it's a specific question, but it's very likely to be the wrong question. If you can't find it by google, it's very unlikely such a document exists but is being kept secret. If it is, it'll be in the dpkg bot under 'wireless'. |
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| 13:13.59 | tralala | suposs: this is a question that asks for stfw answer (/msg dpkg smart questions) |
| 13:14.03 | Szymek | can you give me the link here ? |
| 13:14.54 | cahoot | Szymek: www.debian.org/News/weekly |
| 13:15.05 | netman1 | packages.debian.org down? |
| 13:15.14 | tralala | netman1: it seems |
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| 13:15.36 | eggs | netman1: no ip |
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| 13:15.54 | tralala | netman1: however apt-cache search and dpkg are always up |
| 13:16.12 | idealbsd | netman1, apt-file search xxx |
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| 13:16.19 | netman1 | Just when you need it. Anyone: is '/lib/tls' part of official debian/sarge or xen? |
| 13:16.43 | caphuso | netman1: dpkg -S |
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| 13:16.57 | stouset | Is http.us.debian.org down? |
| 13:17.00 | tralala | netman1: man apt-cache, man dpkg, /msg dpkg help |
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| 13:17.17 | eggs | netman1: it's ip : 128.101.80.133 <- must be |
| 13:17.30 | hejux | any one could suggest me a mp3 player ? |
| 13:17.36 | tralala | stouset: 13 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 13:17.37 | stouset | hejux: iPod. |
| 13:17.37 | suposs | TBBle: searching google for "debian wireless howto" yields 880,000 results, now I may be at fault for not checking each of those results, but I looked at the first 10-15 or so pages, found nothing of particular use, and figured someone might know of a good resource (which probably _is_ among the 880.000 results, but not easily found) |
| 13:17.38 | E-bola | if i have no grub.conf in my /boot/grub/ dir, can i uninstall grub and reinstall to get it back? |
| 13:17.43 | xoz | stouset: up |
| 13:17.45 | eggs | netman1: last reboot : 62 days ago |
| 13:17.50 | stouset | E-bola: Yes. |
| 13:17.56 | hejux | stouset: software on linux |
| 13:17.58 | LordWolF | onething if y plug a usb pen drive in linux what is the command i need to type to mount it? |
| 13:17.59 | stouset | xoz: May be a routing issue, then. |
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| 13:18.03 | stouset | hejux: Rhythmbox. |
| 13:18.06 | cahoot | E-bola: menu.lst also missing? |
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| 13:18.16 | xoz | stouset: tried traceroute? |
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| 13:18.25 | tralala | !be google barbie |
| 13:18.25 | dpkg | I want to find pictures of naked chix0rz on google but I'm having real trouble.... |
| 13:18.27 | directhex|work | netman1, it's a normal part of the ia32-libs package on amd64 sarge, if that helps at all |
| 13:18.28 | TBBle | suposs: Nah, it ought to be in the first page or two to be useful, I would expect. Anyway, your best bet would probably have been the wireless-tools documentation, but obviously you've washed that out already. |
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| 13:18.29 | netman1 | Thanks for the tips, everyone. |
| 13:18.38 | eggs | netman1: at university of minnesota |
| 13:18.39 | E-bola | cahoot: nope |
| 13:18.46 | E-bola | cahoot: dont i need a grub.conf? |
| 13:18.49 | TBBle | suposs: Now if you were to actually ask a specific question about a problem, rather than this meta-question about a howto... |
| 13:18.53 | cahoot | E-bola: grub.conf feels gentooissh |
| 13:19.07 | netman1 | directhex|work: thanks. |
| 13:19.08 | E-bola | cahoot: it was a friend who tried to convice me i needed it hehe |
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| 13:19.19 | E-bola | cahoot: but i changed some settings in menu.lst, and after a reboot they where gone? |
| 13:19.22 | hejux | stouset: can it play APE ? |
| 13:19.23 | stouset | xoz: Aye. I don't end up getting there. |
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| 13:19.36 | stouset | hejux: If gstreamer can, then yes. |
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| 13:19.44 | suposs | TBBle: You'd rather I had asked "how do I make wireless work in Debian?" |
| 13:19.50 | cahoot | E-bola: user error is my guess |
| 13:19.53 | TBBle | suposs: No. THat's not specific. |
| 13:19.59 | tralala | suposs: drop it already |
| 13:20.11 | E-bola | cahoot: can u check the menu.lst for syntax errors etc before booting? |
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| 13:20.18 | TBBle | suposs: Try: "I've gotten to blah. It didn't work like the documentation said it would, what does error'blah' mean?' |
| 13:20.20 | E-bola | with some util? |
| 13:20.21 | directhex|work | suposs, it's a fluffy question. define "work". what type of wireless network.what kernel. what version of debian. what wireless chipset, etc |
| 13:20.22 | tralala | and read the smart questions howto if you are really interested how to ask |
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| 13:20.34 | cahoot | E-bola: unless you installed a new kernel and the system updated menu.lst for you |
| 13:20.42 | hejux | stouset: ok thanks |
| 13:20.43 | stouset | E-bola: You shouldn't edit most parts of menu.lst by hand. |
| 13:20.46 | eggs | netman1: Software in the Public Interest, Inc., P.O. Box 502761, Indianapolis, 46250-2761, United States |
| 13:20.55 | E-bola | stouset: i need to give kernel the noapic parameter |
| 13:21.00 | E-bola | isnt this done by hand in menu.lst? |
| 13:21.12 | cbr | yes |
| 13:21.31 | directhex|work | E-bola, you can edit the "#kopts" line in menu.list, so that parameter is always appended, even when menu.lst is regenerated by kernel updates |
| 13:21.32 | stouset | E-bola: Read the menu.lst file...there's a part where it says "BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" and it gives you explicit instructions on how to modify the file. |
| 13:21.32 | suposs | directhex: That's why I asked if there was a howto, so I would be able to read that first and then maybe be able to ask intelligent questions if I still couldn't make it work... |
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| 13:22.08 | stouset | E-bola: In that case, you should put noapic on the # kopt= line, and then run update-grub. |
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| 13:22.13 | suposs | TBBle: What documentation? I was asking for directions so I could _find_ proper documentation! |
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| 13:22.28 | fred_ | hi, i need tip concern dns install. when i type nslint there is this "nslint: 192.168.2.253 in use by smtp.chead.org. and chead.chead.org." i know i have to make an alias for one of both.. but i have to let smtp in "A" to make other things rules. so how to make a correct alias to THE server plz thx =) |
| 13:22.36 | cahoot | stouset: maybe uncomment too? |
| 13:22.40 | directhex|work | no! |
| 13:22.42 | stouset | cahoot: No, no uncomment. |
| 13:22.44 | E-bola | stouset: the kopt= line? |
| 13:22.45 | directhex|work | !grub comments |
| 13:22.49 | eggs | (snake-oil) |
| 13:23.01 | Szymek | hmm i'm back with my glibc problem, how that howto from debian weekly is supposed to help me ?? |
| 13:23.07 | stouset | E-bola: There is a line in menu.lst that says # kopt= and then gives several boot options. Append noapic to that and run update-grub. |
| 13:23.15 | E-bola | but i dont want it always |
| 13:23.18 | E-bola | i wanna test it first |
| 13:23.20 | E-bola | incase it dont work |
| 13:23.25 | directhex|work | dpkg, grub comments is <reply>lines starting with a single comment # in /boot/grub/menu.lst are integral to the working of update-grub. Do NOT uncomment them. |
| 13:23.25 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 13:23.33 | E-bola | stouset: sont adding it to kopt apply it to all entries? |
| 13:23.37 | E-bola | wont even |
| 13:23.38 | stouset | E-bola: Then use the "altoptions" parameter. |
| 13:23.44 | TBBle | suposs: Well, best documentation is _always_ starting with /usr/share/doc for the relevant package. I'd like to think wireless-tools sticks out like a sore thumb for wireless configuration (and in fact it turns out to be near-essential for it) so I've been assuming you've been there already. |
| 13:23.48 | stouset | E-bola: Read the file. This all is explained very well. |
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| 13:23.57 | stouset | E-bola: There are multiple comments telling you what to do. |
| 13:24.05 | cahoot | stouset: obviously not (after looking) - sorry |
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| 13:24.14 | E-bola | stouset: ok i see it |
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| 13:24.28 | E-bola | but all those lines are commented, dont i need to uncomment them for thme to take effect? |
| 13:24.32 | stouset | cahoot: "DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs" |
| 13:24.51 | stouset | cahoot: You want them to add the <blink> tag to plain text? :-) |
| 13:25.17 | TBBle | fred_: Ignore that complaint. It's perfectly valid to have two A records for the same IP address. I consider it wrong stylistically, as does nslint, and you have to pick one for the reverse-DNS, but it won't _break_ anything. |
| 13:25.49 | TBBle | E-bola: It certainly _used_ to be documented there. Maybe not clearly... (it's in the ## comments. ^_^) |
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| 13:25.56 | cahoot | stouset: okok - error aknowledged |
| 13:26.02 | stouset | cahoot: *grin* |
| 13:26.16 | suposs | TBBle: I am reading it now, and I thank you for pointing me to it. If I still have questions after reading it, I'll try to ask as intelligently and specifically as I can |
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| 13:26.39 | fred_ | TBBle, if i nslookup on chead.cluster.net ( the adress is the same than smtp.cluster.net ( ip + port ) |
| 13:26.45 | TBBle | suposs: Excellent. I'm very pleased to hear that. Good luck with it. |
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| 13:26.52 | suposs | TBBle: thanks |
| 13:27.09 | Loof | Heya, I'm not at the computer so I won't be able to try any suggestions... but I've got a 'new' laptop (an older Mobile Pentium MMX system). It works fine /w 16-bit PCMCIA cards... but when I insert a 32-bit cardbus card (wifi card via ndiswrapper) it locks the entire system up. It almost acts like it isn't handling interrupts at ALL while the card is inserted. |
| 13:27.21 | fred_ | this wont cause any problm ? a friend of mine told me he dont have this message with nslint @ his home. |
| 13:27.23 | Loof | Note that the same card, with the same drivers does work on another (Linux) laptop I have. |
| 13:27.25 | E-bola | stouset: sory for be asking to much but i just dont wanna end up with a frozen system. on this line: # altoptions=(recovery mode) single can i remove single and add noapic? |
| 13:27.35 | TBBle | fred_: That won't cause a problem. A records are only used for forward lookups. |
| 13:27.58 | TBBle | Obviously if the IP address changes, you have to update both records (or not, if one name only moves away) but that's the risk you take. |
| 13:27.58 | fred_ | its ok... i 'll let this atm. thx |
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| 13:28.03 | Ungy | loof maybe your pcmcia slot is bad |
| 13:28.29 | TBBle | fred_: I _prefer_ to have one A record, and CNAME things as appropriate. But it precludes MX records pointing nicely at SMTP, but that's OK. I pick my machine names to be readable, not functional. ^_^ |
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| 13:28.59 | tralala | Loof: does the _other_ laptop run the _same_ linux? |
| 13:29.01 | Loof | Ungy: It is possible. There are 2 slots...both have the same behavior...and 2 1-slot chips (something called O2 Micro) |
| 13:29.03 | Ungy | TBBle if yoru goign to use the same address I prefer just aliasing rather then pointing to the same address |
| 13:29.06 | fred_ | oki i understand your explain. thx TBBle mate |
| 13:29.22 | Loof | tralala: both Debian... same kernel... one is 'stable' the other is 'testing' |
| 13:29.43 | TBBle | Ungy: Me too, but multiple A records aren't _wrong_, which was the initial question. |
| 13:29.50 | TBBle | fred_: No wuckers. ^_^ |
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| 13:29.54 | tralala | Loof: then it's probably a hw/driver issue. Did you check the bts? |
| 13:30.03 | Loof | tralala: bts? |
| 13:30.08 | tralala | !bts |
| 13:30.08 | Ungy | TBBle, ahh I hope not otherwise most of my software wouldn;t work properly ;-) |
| 13:30.08 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:30.14 | Loof | oh |
| 13:30.15 | Loof | heh |
| 13:30.18 | Loof | 1323 |
| 13:30.20 | EL_Chupanibre | Loof: maybe try some livecds to determine if its the hardware or the s/w |
| 13:30.38 | Loof | El: I'm pretty sure it is a driver issue |
| 13:30.41 | Loof | or broken h/w |
| 13:30.43 | TBBle | Ungy: Indeed. That's the good thing about DNS, it's surprisingly robust for what's essentially a distributed text-file. |
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| 13:31.12 | cinix | lol |
| 13:31.13 | Ungy | TBBle, its a public hosts file that is run by evil corrupt money grabbing companies but it works great |
| 13:31.25 | eggs | umm |
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| 13:31.47 | eggs | pay back from them |
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| 13:32.04 | dbeal | What's bittorrent anyway? |
| 13:32.04 | cinix | i think evil corrupt money grabbing is redundent with just saying company |
| 13:32.09 | xst | Sarge has become stable, which I guess makes sid the new testing. What is the new unstable called? |
| 13:32.14 | TBBle | You know, if mDNS took off on a large enough scale, we could dispose of the old DNS system entirely. |
| 13:32.21 | bbrazil | xst: sid is unstable |
| 13:32.22 | petemc | cinix: not all companies are evil tho |
| 13:32.24 | resiak | !sarge+1 |
| 13:32.25 | dpkg | sarge+1 is, like, etch, okay? |
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| 13:32.37 | cinix | military companies are okay I guess. |
| 13:32.41 | Ungy | cinix what abotu NPO companies or NFP Comapanies |
| 13:32.44 | dbeal | I disagree, cinix; but I guess that's why you're called cynix. [redundant] |
| 13:32.49 | cinix | hehe |
| 13:32.53 | TBBle | Not all companies are corrupt either. But they are all money-grubbing. That's what they're for. |
| 13:33.00 | xst | But what is the new testing then? |
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| 13:33.11 | E-bola | Can i see if my menu.lst is correctly formatted in anyway? |
| 13:33.12 | Ungy | xst sid will never becomes testing or anythign but unstable testing is now called etch |
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| 13:33.20 | Loof | TBBle: Check out rwhois as to why a new DNS system wouldn't take off :) |
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| 13:33.29 | Loof | (it's an 'old' dead project) |
| 13:33.31 | cinix | I didn't mean to start off rants :) I don't even consider what I said truth. |
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| 13:34.00 | dbeal | The bitterness tells you to stop doing it. |
| 13:34.11 | TBBle | Oh. That explains why apt-search doesn't find it. |
| 13:34.16 | monox | halo...... |
| 13:34.18 | petemc | id be bitter, but i cba |
| 13:34.19 | Loof | Ungy: Is that so they can easily prefix it with 'wr'? |
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| 13:34.35 | xst | Ungy: So a new name has been inserted between sarge and sid? Does that mean that "sid" will always be the name of unstable? Why aren't the names just shifted? |
| 13:34.43 | EL_Chupanibre | its the nature of the beast...why should money be excluded from our hoarding? :D |
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| 13:34.46 | dbeal | It's easier to o/d on coffee when it's got cream & sugar in it. |
| 13:34.54 | directhex|work | xst, ever seen toy story? |
| 13:35.01 | Ungy | xst I just told you sid will always be unstable |
| 13:35.14 | Ungy | xst sid is the kid in toy story that breaks things cute huh |
| 13:35.36 | Ungy | xst all releases of Debian are named after toy story characters potato Woody Sarge Buzz Etch |
| 13:35.49 | xst | Ok, that makes sence. A bit secret though. :-) |
| 13:35.49 | TBBle | xst: sid has also been retrofitted to 'Still in development' to hammer the point home. |
| 13:36.01 | dbeal | Sounds like they're asking for a lawsuit... |
| 13:36.11 | TBBle | xst: I've seen dummer naming schemes. Greased penguin, anyone? |
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| 13:36.18 | cinix | back to the evil corporations |
| 13:36.27 | TBBle | "dumber". >_< |
| 13:36.29 | EL_Chupanibre | hehe |
| 13:36.32 | Ungy | xst frankly it's not secret go read the debian faq |
| 13:36.36 | stouset | E-bola: Still there? |
| 13:36.41 | dbeal | They could have used Debian Core 1,2,3,4... |
| 13:37.00 | E-bola | stouset: yep |
| 13:37.04 | Loof | Ungy: So, one day...there will be no more releases...because toy story only has so many characters :) |
| 13:37.07 | Loof | heh |
| 13:37.08 | tralala | yeah, or Debriva... |
| 13:37.23 | dbeal | Debian-Shagadelic |
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| 13:37.24 | cbr | what's the right way to remind the developers that there is a new version out of a package? |
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| 13:37.33 | Ungy | Loof they will probably move to finding nemo or incredibles or soemthign |
| 13:37.35 | stouset | E-bola: You don't want to remove those options |
| 13:37.43 | Ronin | cbr: buy them a beer and tell them then |
| 13:37.44 | stouset | E-bola: Those are useful in case your system is hose |
| 13:37.46 | stouset | hosed |
| 13:37.47 | caphuso | cbr: you can file a wishlist bug |
| 13:37.52 | humbolt | can I burn a .bin .cue cd image somehow in linux? |
| 13:37.58 | caphuso | humbolt: sure |
| 13:37.58 | cbr | ok |
| 13:37.59 | E-bola | stouset: they wasnt active |
| 13:38.03 | humbolt | how? |
| 13:38.07 | E-bola | both kopt and alternatives was commented out |
| 13:38.09 | tralala | Loof: With the current release cycle pace you shouldn't worry that you'll live long enough to see it. |
| 13:38.12 | directhex|work | humbolt, yes, if you ask nicely |
| 13:38.16 | Ungy | Loof however they shoudl have atlleast 30 more releases with the characters just from the first film and then you have the second |
| 13:38.18 | stouset | E-bola: Yes they are. |
| 13:38.32 | directhex|work | humbolt, hint: use "bchunk" to convert from cdrwin images to standard ISO9660 images |
| 13:38.35 | caphuso | humbolt: with your favourite cd burning tool |
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| 13:38.39 | caphuso | directhex|work: not necessary |
| 13:38.46 | E-bola | stouset: they are active even if they have a # infront of them? |
| 13:38.50 | Ungy | I predict etch will be realeased in two years this time |
| 13:38.50 | Loof | tralala: Good point. |
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| 13:39.07 | stouset | E-bola: Read the comments in the file. Those are commented out because the update-grub script goes through and automagically builds a kernel list. |
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| 13:39.19 | Loof | Ungy: I can just see the 'dresser' release 'bed' release... 'door'... just to keep having things from the movie |
| 13:39.45 | E-bola | stouset: well what am i supposed to do then? i uncommented kopt and made my change to the alternative line |
| 13:39.47 | stouset | E-bola: What you need to do is make another line that says something like |
| 13:39.47 | stouset | # altoptions=(noapic mode) noapic |
| 13:39.51 | stouset | Then run update-grub. |
| 13:39.52 | E-bola | but when update-grub ran my changes was overwritten |
| 13:39.52 | Loof | Did Ian start this silliness... Or was it after him? |
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| 13:40.02 | E-bola | stouset: and leave it commented out? |
| 13:40.06 | stouset | E-bola: Yes. |
| 13:40.10 | E-bola | hmmm how odd |
| 13:40.13 | E-bola | but thanks iel try |
| 13:40.15 | stouset | E-bola: Not really. |
| 13:40.23 | stouset | E-bola: Those aren't normal parts of the menu.lst config file. |
| 13:40.29 | directhex|work | caphuso, that's new. last i checked, most apps choked at the idea of an image which was potentially orange book, or mixed mode1/mode2 |
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| 13:40.31 | humbolt | ahh, thank you guys! it looks like k3b has no problem at all, burning it! |
| 13:40.37 | resiak | !tell Ungy -about etch pool |
| 13:40.39 | stouset | E-bola: They're there explicitly so the update-grub script can go through and build a list of kernels based on the options. |
| 13:40.51 | ircdevil | i seem to be installing a package to get File->Export->PDF in lyx - what could that be? |
| 13:40.56 | E-bola | stouset: its just that normally stuff that is commented out are ignored |
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| 13:41.06 | ircdevil | be missing a package - doh! |
| 13:41.21 | E-bola | ahh worked now |
| 13:41.21 | E-bola | thanks |
| 13:41.22 | stouset | E-bola: And they are ignored, for the purposes of grub reading the config file. They aren't ignored by the update-grub script, which uses them to make *actual* menu.list entries. |
| 13:41.39 | E-bola | ok |
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| 13:41.45 | stouset | E-bola: check the bottom of the file, you should see three boot entries (for every kernel version installed) |
| 13:41.51 | tralala | ircdevil: it would be something having to do with tex/latex and ps/pdf in it |
| 13:41.54 | sobersabre | paulswm, what have you said earlier about the bug ( dhcp client related to dns updates .. ) ?" |
| 13:42.00 | stouset | E-bola: One should have normal options, one should have the option "single" and the other should have "noapic" |
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| 13:42.12 | sobersabre | sorry, i was called for something urgent. |
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| 13:42.29 | stouset | I'm heading out. Good luck. |
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| 13:42.57 | guytar | Hi everyones, i have some trouble with directiry listing on debian woody+tomcat+sun jdk, anyone can help? |
| 13:43.06 | ircdevil | tralala: yes, i have the option of exporting using pdflatex, but that doesnt show track changes - i need the regular pdf export |
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| 13:43.29 | sciron | I have a machine that has sendmail installed... oddly, when I do an aptitude dist-upgrade, it wants to remove it and install exim. wth? |
| 13:44.15 | caphuso | sciron: your apt-get and your aptitude states are out of sync. purge aptitude, reinstall it and stop using apt-get |
| 13:44.18 | stew | sciron: did you install sendmail with aptitude/dpkg or by hand? |
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| 13:44.26 | tralala | ircdevil: doesn't do what? |
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| 13:44.33 | Ungy | I can't seem to add my bet damned |
| 13:44.34 | sciron | caphuso, ty.... didn't know that was possible |
| 13:44.43 | sciron | stew, synaptic actually |
| 13:45.08 | sciron | which presents more questions |
| 13:45.17 | ircdevil | tralala: track changes -> changes in the text are shown in blue and red |
| 13:45.19 | sciron | but I have a lot of reading to do, thanks for the info |
| 13:45.32 | snoke | can i someho see what else modules some kernel module need? |
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| 13:45.55 | caphuso | snoke: modinfo |
| 13:46.30 | zaikxtox | hello. is there some way to set up the speed of the keymap pointer withoout affecting the keyboard repeat rate? |
| 13:46.39 | tralala | ircdevil: ah, ok - apt-cache search latex pdf. I don't know exactly what package it could be. Does the export to ps keep the colors? |
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| 13:47.45 | snoke | caphuso: it's show onlu params but i neeed depecy of that module |
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| 13:47.50 | ircdevil | tralala: i dont have export ps (that may just be print to file?) |
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| 13:48.08 | sciron | mmm, let's see if I can sum up my questions in one: since I had planned on using some of the apt utilities to build local packages and maintain them, will I have issues using aptitude and synaptic (meaning is apt-get the only one I should shy away from)? |
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| 13:48.11 | caphuso | $ modinfo usb-storage | grep depends |
| 13:48.12 | caphuso | depends: usbcore,scsi_mod |
| 13:48.15 | McCabe | hello |
| 13:48.34 | ircdevil | tralala: hmmm btw i dont think that will work. track changes does some dvi post processing. |
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| 13:49.03 | ircdevil | tralala: nope - printing to ps didnt work |
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| 13:49.34 | tralala | ircdevil: file->export->postscript |
| 13:49.37 | McCabe | anyone have a tip on how i can find the filename of a font? I installed a fontpack and one of the fonts is called 'times' but it isnt really times, this makes some programs and websites look strange because they use the font. Of course, the filename of the fonts arent very descriptive and id rather not delete them all :) |
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| 13:50.00 | snoke | caphuso: hmm i don't get it, from any module |
| 13:50.09 | jm_ | McCabe: fonts.alias fonts.dir files |
| 13:50.18 | caphuso | snoke: are you using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 13:50.24 | snoke | yes |
| 13:50.33 | ircdevil | tralala: well - i must be missing a package - because i dont have that option! |
| 13:50.34 | tralala | ircdevil: btw in file->export I have 3 pdf export lines so you just need to install something. apt-cache search for it |
| 13:50.39 | caphuso | snoke: might be that it doesn't expose that information |
| 13:50.47 | snoke | caphuso: ok |
| 13:51.12 | tralala | ircdevil: also check what lyx, tex and latex recommend |
| 13:51.27 | McCabe | jm_: are those files supposed to be in the font directory= |
| 13:51.47 | ircdevil | tralala: i am searching and massinstall stuff! |
| 13:51.51 | vladkao | caphuso: no, it doesn't |
| 13:51.55 | jm_ | McCabe: yes, in the dirs in your font path |
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| 13:52.24 | ircdevil | tralala: i mangage to get export->pdf(dvipdfm) as an option |
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| 13:52.37 | ircdevil | tralala: but that doenst to the trick with changebars |
| 13:53.10 | snoke | caphuso: from modules.deb |
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| 13:54.25 | tralala | ircdevil: I haven't used the changes tracking so I don't really know how it works and if it works with the export. |
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| 13:54.50 | TBBle | ircdevil: Are the changebars done as postscript? I had a latex macro that did that one, and had to hunt around for one that did them as latex, so it would work with non-postscript output. |
| 13:54.55 | tralala | ircdevil: does view->dvi show it correctly? |
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| 13:55.06 | tralala | or xdvi... |
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| 13:55.08 | TBBle | ircdevil: Oh, wait. Lyx, not latex. Possibly that was useless. Sorry. |
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| 13:56.33 | ircdevil | tralala: no - and that is not meant to be - because the changes is painted as a postprocessing of the dvi |
| 13:56.35 | spacelobster | is there something like putty, but for an x session? I am writing java programs on a remote server, and I need a gui to see the output. |
| 13:57.03 | berzerka | hi everyone. after having upgraded to etch, bbkeys fails to start giving me the message: bbkeys: couldn't load font 'Bitstream Vera Sans-9:style=Bold'. but everywhere else, the font is accessible without problems (gimp e.g.). any ideas what could be the problem here? |
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| 13:57.14 | _raw | Here is the intersting I would like to do: I want to rewrite the whole filesystem image including the root once I am logged in. Is it possible to do this using ramfs and the tools needed to created new filesystem image? |
| 13:57.25 | ircdevil | tralala: heh - its just a simple matter to get the File->Export->PDF providing pacahge installed - and not all the PDF(whatever) ones :o) |
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| 13:59.28 | F-Lelo | Hello Guys |
| 13:59.37 | singe | hi |
| 13:59.47 | tralala | ircdevil: what do you mean? |
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| 14:00.12 | tralala | !tell berzerka -about bts |
| 14:00.14 | singe | spacelobster: you can export your X display |
| 14:00.16 | ircdevil | tralala: some very basic pdf utility must be missing in my installation? |
| 14:00.16 | maher | spacelobster: ssh -X? |
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| 14:00.36 | spacelobster | singe maher thanks |
| 14:00.51 | singe | spacelobster: change the $DISPLAY environment variable e.g. export DISPLAY=yourhost:0 will export X apps to yourhost's X session 0 |
| 14:00.55 | berzerka | tralala: so you think this is a bug in bbkeys? |
| 14:02.29 | F-Lelo | I searched for a Debian NFS installation howto but I didn't find a good one... Does anyone knows a good one? |
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| 14:02.42 | tralala | berzerka: it could be |
| 14:03.16 | spacelobster | clear |
| 14:03.17 | berzerka | tralala: i will verify that, thanks |
| 14:03.35 | ilf | my cpu has been at 100% for a long time. i'm doing not much more than x and a few shells. the sum of cpu usage in top is ~20%. wtf? (sid) |
| 14:03.44 | ilf | athlon 800, btw |
| 14:03.45 | tralala | ircdevil: I have no idea. dpkg -l '*pdf*' returned only the viewers that I have installed. I couldn't be there. Did you check the suggested and recommended packages? |
| 14:04.35 | ircdevil | tralala: i did for lyx, pdf-viewer, ps-viewer, tetex-bin - this is anoying |
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| 14:05.18 | tralala | ircdevil: sorry, I don't know better than that. For me it just works and I have no idea which package provides the functionality. |
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| 14:06.07 | berzerka | ircdevil: what are you looking for? |
| 14:06.14 | maher | ircdevil: what do you want to do? |
| 14:06.32 | tralala | berzerka, maher /lastlog ircdevil |
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| 14:07.05 | TBBle | ircdevil: Nothing in the lyx docs, I take it? |
| 14:07.16 | eggs | what's up? I am back ^^ |
| 14:07.23 | LordWolF | onething im on a network linux and windows i have a windows folder sharing how can i share that folder with debian i usually used to do it searching the network but now im unable to do it |
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| 14:07.29 | berzerka | tralala, well, i have just joined, already read that by scrolling up.. |
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| 14:07.36 | maher | tralala: /lastlog doesn't work for me - is it a client thing? |
| 14:08.05 | maher | ircdevil: you want to convert a dvi to pdf? |
| 14:08.12 | ircdevil | TBBle: i cant find it |
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| 14:08.57 | maher | LordWolF: can you ping the windows machine from debian? |
| 14:09.08 | ircdevil | maher: i want to install the pacakge which allows lyx to export as PDF and not as PDF(pdflatex) or PDF(dvipdfm) |
| 14:09.08 | TBBle | ircdevil: Is the track-changes thing built in to Lyx, or is it a latex addon or something? |
| 14:09.17 | ircdevil | TBBle: lyx patch |
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| 14:09.41 | TBBle | Hmm. |
| 14:09.50 | ircdevil | anyway - it works nicely on my home box, where Export->PDF is an option |
| 14:10.28 | maher | ircdevil: sorry - dunno - i don't use lyx |
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| 14:10.48 | TBBle | I'd poke through the lyx config at home, and find out where it defines that, and how it calls it. |
| 14:11.19 | idealbsd | ircdevil, maybe you should use OO or just use pdflatex |
| 14:11.23 | berzerka | ircdevil: lyxport - Export a LyX or LaTeX file to HTML, PostScript and PDF. |
| 14:11.32 | berzerka | ircdevil: what about that? |
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| 14:12.49 | ircdevil | idealbsd: but pdflatex doesnt support track changes :o/ |
| 14:13.10 | ircdevil | berzerka: something sid? cant be |
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| 14:13.29 | berzerka | ircdevil: dont know if thats what you looking for, look at http://www-hep.colorado.edu/~fperez/lyxport/lyxport.html. etch package doesnt seem to exist.. |
| 14:13.58 | idealbsd | ircdevil, diff files? |
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| 14:14.31 | berzerka | ircdevil: doesnt even seem to be in sid. |
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| 14:15.03 | ircdevil | berzerka: no - is a simple pacakge i have forgotten somewhere in the installation |
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| 14:15.43 | madclicker | i am running ipopd through inetd and it is crushing every day To get it up and running i need to restart inetd. HELP! |
| 14:16.14 | intension_ | !hi |
| 14:16.14 | dpkg | hello, intension_ |
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| 14:17.49 | intension_ | set |
| 14:18.04 | TBBle | ircdevil: Can lyx print? |
| 14:18.15 | ircdevil | TBBle: testing |
| 14:18.20 | ircdevil | TBBle: yes |
| 14:18.46 | ircdevil | hmmm - i better try and recompile lyx |
| 14:18.47 | TBBle | cups-pdf then. ^_^ |
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| 14:19.24 | TBBle | From reading the lyxport page, the PDF export option will just call a program defined in the preferences. Check your home machine for what's defined for the working option there. |
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| 14:22.30 | sciron | ... aptitude/apt-get is a pain, to say the least... in the Debian FAQ, for source package retrieval, it actually recommends apt-get.... why? |
| 14:22.42 | caphuso | sciron: because there's no other sane way |
| 14:22.44 | oKtosiTe | what utility can I use to split a large file up in a number of smaller files/archives. I'm not a console genius. |
| 14:22.45 | TBBle | Because it's simple? |
| 14:22.53 | sciron | caphuso, ty, good answer. |
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| 14:23.05 | sciron | TBBle, was that directed towards me? |
| 14:23.11 | wiler | was trying to use the samba script for starting and stoping the service in /etc/init.d but when i try it says start-stop-daemon command not found, which package contains this start-stop-daemon? |
| 14:23.21 | caphuso | unless you consider downloading the orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz and .dsc file manually sane |
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| 14:24.14 | Socrates1024 | i'm using sarge, when i mount a new hard drive it becomes read only, even though i have 'rw' in the fstab |
| 14:24.18 | sciron | no, just trying to find the fine line between when to use apt-get vs. aptitude |
| 14:24.30 | Socrates1024 | i chmod the mount point 777, but it goes back to nothing when i mount the filesystem |
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| 14:24.34 | Socrates1024 | any suggestions? |
| 14:24.46 | TBBle | sciron: Yes. |
| 14:24.46 | jethro | Socrates1024: man mount /user |
| 14:24.47 | caphuso | Socrates1024: chmod _after_ mounting |
| 14:24.57 | Socrates1024 | when i chmod after mounting |
| 14:24.59 | Socrates1024 | it says read only filesystem |
| 14:25.04 | directhex|work | Socrates1024, what file system is it? |
| 14:25.08 | Socrates1024 | ntfs |
| 14:25.11 | dataw0lf|w | heh |
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| 14:25.16 | streuner | hehe |
| 14:25.17 | caphuso | Socrates1024: /msg dpkg ro-ntfs |
| 14:25.19 | hejux | hi how to disable the animation of mini. window in gnome ? |
| 14:25.19 | jethro | Socrates1024: you need captive to have rw ntfs file support |
| 14:25.22 | sciron | TBBle, it was recommended before that I do not use apt-get for installing packages.... trying to do some indepth research as to why |
| 14:25.22 | Socrates1024 | ah |
| 14:25.23 | Socrates1024 | okay |
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| 14:25.27 | jethro | s/file// |
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| 14:25.37 | TBBle | I only use aptitude in two places. Sarge install, and woody->sarge upgrade. And the former only because it appeared on my screen. ^_^ |
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| 14:26.06 | sciron | TBBle, lol, ok, understandable. I had what seems was a corruption issue mixing them..... still reading |
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| 14:26.29 | streuner | Is greycat in vacation? |
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| 14:27.50 | streuner | dataw0lf: are you a bot? |
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| 14:28.20 | dataw0lf|w | streuner: Yeah, version 1.3.4.troll |
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| 14:28.32 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 14:28.36 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
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| 14:28.57 | TBBle | A new trollbot? I'd better go file a serious bugreport to the maintainer that it's not pacakged yet. |
| 14:29.05 | TBBle | >_< "packaged" |
| 14:29.11 | dataw0lf|w | ack! |
| 14:29.36 | idealbsd | any can give a hints how to pass fillets-ng's "Gaint's Chest" level? |
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| 14:31.09 | TBBle | Oh, that looks like fun! |
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| 14:31.36 | Death_Syndrome | hiya |
| 14:31.38 | intension_ | can anyone tell me how to set the f*ckn quit msg in bitchx ? |
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| 14:31.44 | jasoncohen | is there a way to have gnome auto-login a user? |
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| 14:31.58 | streuner | intension_: apt-get install irssi-text ;-) |
| 14:32.07 | dataw0lf|w | apt-get install google |
| 14:32.12 | drac | intension_: BitchX.doc |
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| 14:32.15 | Death_Syndrome | anyone happen to know if its safe to tell debmirror to mirror to a destination that already has an existing mirror, but for different architectures? |
| 14:32.18 | intension_ | streuner i just might do that |
| 14:32.28 | prog | agreement. |
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| 14:32.35 | Death_Syndrome | for example. I want woody,sarge,etch,sid for i386, but only need sarge for sparc and ppc |
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| 14:33.25 | drac | Death_Syndrome: You want i386, but you need Sparc or PPC? Hmm, need and want are pretty similar words. |
| 14:33.31 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 14:33.47 | TBBle | drac: But they _are_ different. |
| 14:33.50 | Death_Syndrome | drac: okay, I need those dists for i386 |
| 14:34.06 | TBBle | intension_: /quit <quitmsghere> |
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| 14:34.21 | Death_Syndrome | sparc and ppc are only needing sarge as I'm helping my boss, a future DPM to setup a build environment for sparc and powerpc |
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| 14:35.17 | budluva | i dont need to have windows installed to use wine do i? |
| 14:35.25 | vladkao | nope |
| 14:35.30 | budluva | i just want to use a windows program to burn my dvds |
| 14:35.33 | budluva | ahh goood |
| 14:35.53 | idealbsd | budluva, why not k3b? |
| 14:35.59 | Death_Syndrome | k3b pwnz me |
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| 14:36.36 | ^rob^ | is there a way to specify in DNS at MX entry other port than the default one - is this valid mailservername. 14400 IN MX 10 82.79.28.160:8080 ??? |
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| 14:37.07 | budluva | well its a funky .img that i guess works fine if you use DVD decrypter to burn it, i tried burning the .img with k3b and nerolinux numerous times and now im just sick of wasting dvdrs |
| 14:37.11 | ^rob^ | my isp is blocking port 25 - "Vire extinction!" |
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| 14:37.40 | wols_ | DNS doesn't know about ports |
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| 14:37.44 | LordWolF | yo what is the command to mount a usb? |
| 14:37.54 | TBBle | ^rob^: Nope. You could try DNS SRV records, but I don't like your chances of having in honoured. |
| 14:38.07 | ^rob^ | hmm |
| 14:38.23 | supaman | hmm, is nice -20 == nice -n 20 ??? |
| 14:38.27 | ^rob^ | how can i tell then that my sendmail is not on 25 - is on 2525 |
| 14:38.36 | mrcheeks | LordWolF: did you try mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb (the directory /mnt/usb must exists) |
| 14:38.43 | ^rob^ | firewall rules are up |
| 14:38.43 | caphuso | ^rob^: you can't |
| 14:38.45 | LordWolF | ok |
| 14:38.46 | ^rob^ | damn |
| 14:38.53 | LordWolF | let me check |
| 14:39.20 | TBBle | ^rob^: Pop account and fetchmail might be your best bet. |
| 14:39.45 | wols_ | rob: there are some DNS provider which redirect for money |
| 14:39.56 | slushpupie | if the same package is availible from multiple sources in sources.list, and I set my prefences to favor one "release" over another.. why does apt want to keep reinstalling the package? |
| 14:40.10 | idealbsd | budluva, try ccd2iso or just use wine |
| 14:40.11 | TBBle | Or ask your ISP why they block port 25, and shop around for one who doesn't, if possible |
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| 14:40.36 | wols_ | slushpupie: run "apt-cache policy" |
| 14:40.43 | TBBle | slushpupie: apt-cache policy <package> will tell you which packages apt is chosing, and at what priorities. |
| 14:40.47 | ^rob^ | TBBle: should i put then subdomain.dom.ext 1440 IN MX 10 dom.ext. ?? all mails for subdomain to go to domain? |
| 14:41.04 | ^rob^ | domain has mail collector in a specific address |
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| 14:41.18 | TBBle | ^rob^: O_O I'm afraid I don't understand the question. |
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| 14:41.48 | ^rob^ | TBBle: ok - how can i tell that subdomain mails to go to domain mail server |
| 14:42.01 | TBBle | If dom.ext is a mail server, then that'll cause anything@subdomain.dom.ext to be delivered to dom.ext's SMTP server on port 25. But that bears no relation I can see to your preivous questions. |
| 14:42.16 | TBBle | But if that's what you want, then yes. |
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| 14:42.57 | slushpupie | TBBle: Im not sure I understand what the output means- nothing looks like it should reinstall |
| 14:43.21 | LordWolF | mrcheeks |
| 14:43.22 | TBBle | slushpupie: The thing with the **'s is what apt thinks is best. |
| 14:43.26 | LordWolF | sda1 doesn't exits |
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| 14:43.49 | LordWolF | how can i add the usb folder |
| 14:43.57 | slushpupie | TBBle: that one is the /avr/lib/dpkg/status line |
| 14:44.06 | TBBle | Two packages with the same version, a local one will be dispreferred to one in apt's source lists with different metadata. (eg. if you rebuild a local pacakge, add .0.0.1 to the version) |
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| 14:44.08 | slushpupie | TBBle: that means the one currently installed, right? |
| 14:44.16 | TBBle | Yes. |
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| 14:44.40 | TBBle | So it shouldn't be trying to replace it, unless something else being upgraded wants to drag the version up. And in that case, it should complain, not go ahead. |
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| 14:46.21 | slushpupie | TBBle: ok- so if it shows the *** next to the /var/... one, why does it want to reinstall? |
| 14:46.50 | TBBle | I have no idea. "Installed" and "Candidate" at the top of the output are the same, right? |
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| 14:47.44 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 14:47.55 | jasoncohen | heh, well i figured out how to auto-login with gdmsetup- that was easy |
| 14:48.12 | slushpupie | TBBle: http://www.slushpupie.com/tmp/apt-cache.txt |
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| 14:48.23 | slushpupie | TBBle: thats the output |
| 14:48.23 | sobersabre | what would be a proper regexp to make the follwing with sed: replace all sequences of spaces into 1 space. |
| 14:48.28 | Exit83 | hello all |
| 14:48.37 | mick_home | i was just wondering if someone has used Active Directory (i know i know) - I'm familiar with OpenLDAP and the Moz specific LDIF stuff, will this be easy to import into Active Directory? |
| 14:49.00 | sh4dowcat | Active Directory? |
| 14:49.06 | sh4dowcat | what are you trying to do? |
| 14:49.07 | Exit83 | i was wondering, does anybody know a good programa to make DVD covers? you know, for the long small boxes they come in |
| 14:49.11 | sobersabre | mick_home, ad is supposed to be ldap. |
| 14:49.21 | mick_home | right |
| 14:49.21 | tarzeau | Exit83: yes, adobe indesign cs |
| 14:49.22 | sh4dowcat | sobersabre: it is ldap |
| 14:49.22 | slushpupie | sobersabre: sed -e 's/ \+/ /' |
| 14:49.25 | mick_home | thats what i hear |
| 14:49.34 | sobersabre | slushpupie, THANKS! |
| 14:49.41 | Exit83 | tarzeau does that work in linux? (and is it free) |
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| 14:49.53 | tarzeau | Exit83: it's not free |
| 14:49.53 | mick_home | but i want to know - will it be easy to move from OpenLDAP to Active Directory |
| 14:50.01 | tarzeau | Exit83: it works on mac os x and windows. ask adobe |
| 14:50.11 | sh4dowcat | mick_home: did you google the problem? |
| 14:50.17 | tarzeau | Exit83: they make acrobat reader for linux, why should they not also make adobe indesign for linux... |
| 14:50.34 | mick_home | i was just curious as to if someone has gotten into some Moz specific issues |
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| 14:50.45 | sobersabre | slushpupie, just it doesn't work... it does .... nothing,,, |
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| 14:50.52 | mick_home | since the LDIF files that I have - seem to have Moz- something in them |
| 14:50.55 | viper2k | hmm I have a home network with about 10 computers ... I use 172.21.0.x for all the workstations and 172.21.1.x for all the servers, my question is whether it could lead to problems to have such a great subnet for only 10 pcs.. ? |
| 14:50.57 | Exit83 | tarzeau: lol, well i need an basic program, it doesnt have to be full of options, just enough t print it out with the right measurements and make it possible to scal images to the right size |
| 14:51.00 | budluva | ok i have dvd decrypter running in wine, maybe i missed a step somewhere, do i have to add my dvd burner to wine's configuration? i thought it would pickup and use my hardware by default |
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| 14:51.16 | slushpupie | sobersabre: echo "1 3" | sed -e 's/ \+/ /' |
| 14:51.16 | mick_home | Exit83: gimp? |
| 14:51.19 | Exit83 | tarzeau: like kcdlabel does for CDs |
| 14:51.23 | tarzeau | Exit83: well adobe indesign is what i used for the http://livecd.gnustep.org/ CD cover |
| 14:51.34 | tarzeau | Exit83: it's best to be printed from acrobat reader 5 or 7 in mac or windows |
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| 14:51.42 | tarzeau | Exit83: pdf readers on linux blow the size |
| 14:51.49 | slushpupie | sobersabre: you need to do 's/ \+/ /g/' if you want to replace all occurances |
| 14:51.49 | tarzeau | or the fonts |
| 14:51.49 | ircdevil | hmmmm - how does gcc work? can it be put i single sentence? |
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| 14:51.52 | mick_home | there is an OO extra for CD covers ooextras.org |
| 14:51.54 | bob2 | viper2k: no, it's fine |
| 14:51.56 | bob2 | viper2k: (hi) |
| 14:51.59 | Exit83 | tarzeau: i really dont want to look into windows or mac solutions |
| 14:51.59 | tarzeau | mick_home: it sucks |
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| 14:52.08 | viper2k | bob2: hi thnx ;) |
| 14:52.08 | tarzeau | Exit83: well good luck then |
| 14:52.19 | Exit83 | tarzeua, it will be gimp then lol |
| 14:52.19 | mick_home | tarzeau: it is enough for my needs |
| 14:52.24 | FarrisG | If I have a dual Xeon box, running a 2.6.11-smp debian kernel, is it a simple thing to turn off HT so that it doesn't appear to tohave 4 procs instead of 2? Or will it require recompiling? |
| 14:52.30 | Exit83 | *tarzeau: it will be gimp then |
| 14:52.31 | ircdevil | starring at gcc verbose output is hypnotic like staring thru the window of the washing machine |
| 14:52.33 | quitte | ircdevil: it uses magic smokie to make programs from source code |
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| 14:52.42 | mick_home | ok, noone has ever been forced to move from OpenLDAP to AD, eh ;) lucky.... |
| 14:52.51 | bgat | anyone know where I can get packages for keyspan serial device drivers? I had heard that hotplug was going to support them... |
| 14:52.53 | viper2k | bob2 : you know a GOOD howto for iptables .. to make a safe router ?? cuz I`ve got it working but it`s not secure.... |
| 14:53.01 | bob2 | FarrisG: you can boot with the "noht" option, iirc |
| 14:53.02 | sobersabre | slushpupie, sorry missed the /g' thing.! |
| 14:53.08 | Exit83 | tarzeau BTW, in windows, there this nifty program called coverXP which is absolutely great and its small |
| 14:53.10 | ircdevil | viper2k: have a look at shorewall |
| 14:53.12 | tarzeau | viper2k: iptables -F |
| 14:53.18 | Mage\work | viper2k: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
| 14:53.18 | TBBle | slushpupie: I've no idea what's up with that. >_< |
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| 14:53.28 | __dan__ | Hi, Is it practical to make PHP work with code written in other languages like Java, Perl and Python? |
| 14:53.32 | Exit83 | thx for the help tough |
| 14:53.33 | Exit83 | bye |
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| 14:53.35 | bob2 | viper2k: yeah, shorewall is pretty good |
| 14:53.36 | tarzeau | __dan__: no |
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| 14:53.45 | ircdevil | __dan__: #php |
| 14:53.47 | bob2 | __dan__: you can with java, through some utterly crackful mechanism |
| 14:53.48 | eggs | what's up? I amback ^^ |
| 14:53.53 | mick_home | __dan__: what do you mean? |
| 14:53.54 | tarzeau | __dan__: it's practical to not use php |
| 14:53.55 | bob2 | __dan__: and C, too. #php would know more. |
| 14:53.56 | viper2k | shorewall ?? thats a program ?? |
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| 14:54.10 | TBBle | slushpupie: Oh, yes I do. The two sources have different metadata, I guess, so each time you run apt, it replaces the one you have with the one you haven't. One of them needs to use better versioning. |
| 14:54.11 | mick_home | like have an app written in 2 languages? |
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| 14:54.28 | mick_home | i've done that before and sent vars between the languages with wddx |
| 14:54.30 | ircdevil | viper2k: its a frontend to iptables written by some guys who knows their way about the stuff |
| 14:54.34 | Mage\work | use python. |
| 14:54.37 | slushpupie | TBBle: they are littererally the same package (done via cp) |
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| 14:54.46 | viper2k | ircdevil ahh ;) thnx |
| 14:54.52 | TBBle | slushpupie: Oh. Beats me then. >_< |
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| 14:54.57 | ircdevil | !shorewall |
| 14:54.57 | dpkg | The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. See http://www.shorewall.net/ |
| 14:55.09 | strubbel | hi, has anyone set up the german lang pack for firefox? |
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| 14:55.16 | viper2k | oh btw .. is there some kind of msn script for iptables ?? cuz it works but file xfer etc fucks up |
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| 14:55.18 | humbolto | I need a firewall distribution that is capable of managing several zones, one that does not need to be rebooted if you change some ip address, one where I can set metrics for static routes. where qould I go? |
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| 14:55.23 | TBBle | It ought to be installing the priority 600 one, though. |
| 14:55.24 | crystalremo | can anyone point me to some resources for installing linux using a usb thumb drive? im running winxp right now and want to prepare my usb thumb drive to do a netinst of debian. if possible i need to prepare it within windows cause i don't have a linux system to work with right now |
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| 14:55.41 | bob2 | humbolto: why do you need a distro for that? shorewall does all that and more. |
| 14:55.42 | sobersabre | slushpupie, the start of a line is signed with ^... how is the end signed ? |
| 14:55.44 | ircdevil | humbolto: well, have a look at shorewall |
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| 14:55.52 | slushpupie | sobersabre: $ |
| 14:56.03 | humbolto | I need a nice http(s) gui interface and I need a project that is not abandoned like shorewall |
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| 14:56.05 | bob2 | crystalremo: just dump the install image onto the disk with rawrite.exe |
| 14:56.13 | E-bola | Do anybody know how to fsck loop-aes filesystems? |
| 14:56.22 | berzerka | okay i found the bbkeys problem source! etch includes the new blackbox version (0.70) which requires bbkeys >= 0.9, but the bbkeys version in etch is still 0.86 ! where should i report problems of that kind? |
| 14:56.31 | __dan__ | mick_home: I'm tying to convince some collegues to use PHP but where we were educated many students feel that anything not written in Java is a hack. I f I can convince them PHP can work with Java I'm more likely to sway their opinions. |
| 14:56.32 | ircdevil | humbolto: firestarter |
| 14:56.33 | strubbel | or better, how do i set up a language pack in firefox? |
| 14:56.34 | humbolto | I do not need a package but a full distro |
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| 14:56.40 | crystalremo | bob2 which install image? the netinst iso i can dl from debian.org? |
| 14:56.47 | crystalremo | does that make it bootable? |
| 14:56.51 | quitte | E-bola: fsck the loopback device |
| 14:57.02 | bob2 | berzerka: file a wishlist severity level bug on the bbkeys package reminding the author that a new release is out |
| 14:57.04 | sobersabre | thanks! |
| 14:57.05 | bob2 | crystalremo: I'd think so |
| 14:57.06 | bgat | anyone know where I can get packages for keyspan serial device drivers? I had heard that hotplug was going to support them... |
| 14:57.06 | jasoncohen | i have two NFS shares to auto in fstab and i can mount them with mount -a as root but they aren't mounted on boot. |
| 14:57.17 | mick_home | __dan__: well, yes it can interface with java (much like python can) ala jython |
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| 14:57.31 | berzerka | bob2 thanks, ill do that. |
| 14:57.33 | ircdevil | humbolto: and shorewall is not discontinued ... ? |
| 14:57.36 | mick_home | is there a particular reason to sway towards php? |
| 14:57.47 | humbolto | does anybody know anything about smoothwall? |
| 14:57.48 | sobersabre | jasoncohen, when are they mounted relatively to interfaces ? |
| 14:57.52 | E-bola | quitte: says it cant find superblock? |
| 14:57.56 | __dan__ | mick_home: aka thanks |
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| 14:58.05 | bob2 | humbolto: #smoothwall |
| 14:58.28 | quitte | E-bola: did you do the same losetup with the same options as if you wanted to mount it afterwards? |
| 14:58.30 | TBBle | slushpupie: What've you done to your preferences, BTW, that two identical packages have different priorities? |
| 14:58.34 | jasoncohen | sobersabre, that's what i'm unsure about. i would think they would be mounted after the nfs service starts. they can't be mounted with the rest of my local partitions |
| 14:58.53 | E-bola | quitte: i did losetup -F /dev/loop2 |
| 14:58.58 | E-bola | which is what i found in some tutorial |
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| 14:59.16 | quitte | E-bola: if that woked, how could it be encrypted? |
| 14:59.27 | E-bola | quitte: i had to type the password |
| 14:59.33 | quitte | oh |
| 14:59.35 | TBBle | loop-rot26? |
| 14:59.47 | slushpupie | TBBle: http://www.slushpupie.com/tmp/apt-preferences.txt |
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| 15:00.32 | Spec | gmail = br0ked for firefox? |
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| 15:00.38 | jasoncohen | in KDE you can put an NFS share icon which can be used to mount the device. in gnome i can only seem to add a link to the share which then creates a new volume icon when its mounted |
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| 15:00.43 | bob2 | Spec: works here |
| 15:00.52 | Warp4 | hi all a newbie here. could someone tell me what changes i need to make to /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab to make Debian recognize my Windows XP drives? |
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| 15:00.56 | Spec | hmm, i'll try clearing cache |
| 15:00.57 | TBBle | OK, that's doubly weird then, since none of those are set to '1001'. You've set a default distribution of... Hmm. Have you set one? |
| 15:00.59 | quitte | E-bola: what happens if you try to mount? |
| 15:01.10 | der_tank | Hi there! Can anybody tell how to get a complete list of all installed packages? |
| 15:01.16 | bob2 | Warp4: you don't ever touch mtab |
| 15:01.17 | berzerka | dpkg -l |
| 15:01.25 | Spec | works now o.O |
| 15:01.28 | bob2 | der_tank: dpkg --get-selections | grep installed$ |
| 15:01.31 | jasoncohen | Warp4, it's easy if you know the drive location |
| 15:01.40 | slushpupie | TBBle: nope. But the sources.list file has all sarge entries, except for the custom repositories |
| 15:01.41 | der_tank | Thanx! |
| 15:01.45 | jasoncohen | Warp4, here's my NTFS partition |
| 15:02.05 | jasoncohen | Warp4, /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs users,umask=000 0 0 |
| 15:02.21 | viper2k | whats the standart username/password for webmin ? |
| 15:02.39 | jasoncohen | viper2k, you need to login as root if you want to do anything administrative |
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| 15:02.45 | jasoncohen | if you just want to check settings you can use a user account |
| 15:02.56 | TBBle | Well, for some reason your http://fs.hu.ahpcrc.org kernel-2.4.26/ is getting 600, while http://fs.hu.ahpcrc.org sarge/main is getting 500. |
| 15:03.06 | crystalremo | rawrite doesn't work... it can only write to drive a or b... not a usb thumb drive (on my system drive g) any clue how to prepare a usb thumb drive inside windowss to install debian |
| 15:03.11 | berzerka | bob2: i get no output from dpkg --get-selections | grep installed$.. |
| 15:03.12 | TBBle | Have you tried the apt-preferences manpage? |
| 15:03.16 | Warp4 | jasoncohen thank you SO much :) |
| 15:03.21 | Warp4 | jasoncohen I owe you a beer :) |
| 15:03.27 | viper2k | jasoncohen hmm ok but I need to use my root password to log in there ? |
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| 15:03.59 | jasoncohen | viper2k, yes- think about it- you need root privileges to use configure the services or servers you'll be changing |
| 15:04.08 | jasoncohen | Warp4, heh, glad i could help |
| 15:04.16 | viper2k | jasoncohen hmm ok thnx :) |
| 15:04.24 | jasoncohen | viper2k, if you just want to check settings you can use a user account. what are you trying to do? |
| 15:04.25 | DeathWing | viper2k: i used the root terminal and typed passwd afterwards installed webmin and typed the password i set |
| 15:04.26 | humbolto | icedevil: but shorewall is abandoned by its main developer. moreover the admin interface is poor. |
| 15:05.03 | viper2k | jasoncohen well I`m wanne set up shorewall via webmin |
| 15:05.05 | crystalremo | any clue how to prepare a usb thumb drive inside windows to install debian? |
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| 15:06.00 | Warp4 | jasoncohen one more question -- is there utility available that will automatically set up mountpoints based on what drives i have in my system? |
| 15:06.06 | bigbill52a | planes are falling out of the sky here in yuma.... |
| 15:06.06 | maher | crystalremo: http://d-i.pascal.at/ <-- ry this |
| 15:06.41 | viper2k | jasoncohen my root password doesn`t work in webmin .. :S |
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| 15:06.54 | TBBle | crystalremo: winimage can be used to write images as well as rawrite, for reference. |
| 15:06.55 | jasoncohen | viper2k, um- do you have caps lock on? |
| 15:07.08 | maher | crystalremo: or you could just boot to a ilve cd and so stuff from there |
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| 15:07.24 | viper2k | jasoncohen no .. just in the webbrowser I am .. typing root and then the password |
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| 15:07.46 | jasoncohen | Warp4, well, the debian installer should setup all linux partitions for you. if you want to add another partition you can use a graphical partitioner like gparted and that will automatically add the entry to fstab |
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| 15:08.01 | jasoncohen | viper2k, can you login as a user? |
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| 15:08.15 | jasoncohen | viper2k, you should be able to login as root |
| 15:08.30 | viper2k | jasoncohen no not even as user |
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| 15:09.09 | jasoncohen | viper2k, what error does it give you? |
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| 15:09.29 | Warp4 | jasoncohen got any idea where i can grab a copy of gparted? |
| 15:09.32 | viper2k | jasoncohen just incorrect password or username |
| 15:10.03 | jasoncohen | Warp4, http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php |
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| 15:10.18 | dob1 | hi |
| 15:10.30 | jasoncohen | Warp4, apt-get install libparted1.6-12 first |
| 15:10.30 | der_tank | Can I export the apt pakage list to use on another machine? |
| 15:10.31 | dob1 | it's normal that fwanalog takes A LOT of time at the first run ? |
| 15:10.43 | dob1 | it's about 4 hours that it is running... |
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| 15:10.50 | folial_ | hi! when ACPI module battery is loaded at 'init' BAT1 is not found and instead later, once logged, by modprobing again 'battery', it's seen as present. I'm running a kernel 2.6.11 on a Sony Vaio. Anyone could imagine why? Thanks a lot! |
| 15:10.59 | DeathWing | Warp4: i just installed webmin now and used the root password i created and worked out ok |
| 15:11.13 | jasoncohen | viper2k, sorry- not sure |
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| 15:11.57 | jasoncohen | Warp4, you probably also want to apt-get install e2fsprogs ntfsprogs |
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| 15:14.38 | jasoncohen | Warp4, gparted is nice. You can resize NTFS, ext2/3, reiserfs, fat32, and create/grow xfs |
| 15:14.52 | drasko | hi all. Is there a comman to check which kernel version I am running? |
| 15:15.04 | folial_ | drasko: man uname |
| 15:15.05 | jasoncohen | drasko, uname -r |
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| 15:15.40 | darius-2xl | hello people. can it be possible to install more than 3 os on one pc? |
| 15:15.57 | folial_ | why not 6? yeah |
| 15:16.02 | darius-2xl | like debian, freebsd, kubuntu and xp? |
| 15:16.05 | drasko | folial_, jasoncohen , tnx |
| 15:16.13 | jethro | darius-2xl: yes. |
| 15:16.15 | jasoncohen | Warp4, the only thing missing in gparted is LVM support because libparted doesn't support LVM yet |
| 15:16.17 | folial_ | nothing |
| 15:16.27 | darius-2xl | but how? every time i do something similar, i lose the boots |
| 15:16.32 | darius-2xl | can't boot into one of them? |
| 15:16.40 | darius-2xl | mbr gets overwritten |
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| 15:17.07 | DotHack | darius-2xl: you?l have to get grub into the mbr |
| 15:17.10 | darius-2xl | or something |
| 15:17.28 | darius-2xl | k |
| 15:17.33 | folial_ | you need a boot manager |
| 15:17.38 | jethro | darius-2xl: read your bootloader's documentation |
| 15:17.39 | Karnaugh | *confused* |
| 15:17.39 | darius-2xl | when i had grub, on a suse install |
| 15:17.44 | Karnaugh | is tinydns in Sarge? |
| 15:17.54 | jethro | Karnaugh: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:17.55 | darius-2xl | everytime i couldn't get it to see suse |
| 15:18.06 | darius-2xl | only xp |
| 15:18.27 | darius-2xl | any guidelines on how to config grub to see my oses? |
| 15:18.43 | Karnaugh | jethro: it doesnt reply.. but anyway i did an apt-cache search tinydns and it doesnt seem to be there :/ |
| 15:18.56 | darius-2xl | k, thanks jethro, didn't see it |
| 15:19.17 | Karnaugh | djbdns is in Sid though :/ |
| 15:19.23 | jethro | Karnaugh: djbdns-installer - Source only package for building djbdns |
| 15:19.24 | Spec | jasoncohen: can gparted resize reiserfs? |
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| 15:19.33 | KursK | hef how annoying... |
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| 15:19.35 | Spec | jasoncohen: oh, nevermind, you said reiser *blind* ;p |
| 15:19.36 | jethro | Karnaugh: that's on a sarge system. |
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| 15:19.39 | TinoW | powerdns is there too |
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| 15:20.02 | Karnaugh | jethro: not on mine :/ |
| 15:20.08 | Karnaugh | odd |
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| 15:20.18 | jethro | Karnaugh: make sure your sources.list is correct |
| 15:20.30 | strubbel | how do i set up a language pack in firefox? i installed the mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de debian package, it shows up in tools->extensions but can't figure out how to activate it. please help. |
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| 15:20.39 | Karnaugh | jethro: yea.. thinking of just taking it to sid anyway |
| 15:20.41 | jasoncohen | Spec, gparted is a frontend for libparted. you also need the utilities installed for the respective FS |
| 15:20.42 | jethro | Karnaugh: that's in contrib |
| 15:20.56 | jethro | Karnaugh: you need contrib in your sources.list |
| 15:20.58 | folial_ | anyone could tell me, please, why when ACPI module battery is loaded at 'init' BAT1 is not found while instead later, once logged, by modprobing again 'battery', it's seen as present. I'm running a kernel 2.6.11 on a Sony Vaio. |
| 15:21.13 | Karnaugh | ahh |
| 15:21.23 | Karnaugh | *jethro |
| 15:21.27 | Spec | jasoncohen: yeah, it's easier to not use parted though, i found |
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| 15:21.30 | jasoncohen | Spec, for example you need reiserfsprogs for reiser, e2fsprogs for ext3 and ntfsprogs for NTFS |
| 15:21.30 | jethro | Karnaugh: you're welcome |
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| 15:21.34 | Spec | jasoncohen: i just resized my reiserfs with fdisk and resize_reiserfs |
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| 15:22.08 | jasoncohen | Spec, i use ext3 for system partitions and XFS for mythtv |
| 15:22.26 | Spec | i wanna try gparted, but no gui is running on the server that needed to be repartitioned :p |
| 15:22.32 | sh4dowcat | does http://security.debian.org/ manage security updates for debian amd64 yet? |
| 15:22.34 | KursK | I try to mount a nfs share in fstab, but it says at boot up "block device 192.168.1.4:/myshare is write protected, mounting read-only" and then "cannot mount block device 192.168.1.4:/myshare read only". Why the heck does it want to mount is as a block device? After boot up, it'0s no problem to mount the nfs share?? |
| 15:22.35 | jasoncohen | i found the lvm command line tools to be pretty easy |
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| 15:22.55 | E-bola | damm |
| 15:22.56 | jasoncohen | but i would still like a gui tool for LVM |
| 15:23.01 | KursK | additionally, I first mount /home and then want to mount myshare into a home directory |
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| 15:23.04 | Warp4 | jasoncohen i get the following error when trying to run configure of gparted: chat id : {b7229468-2789-4ab0-9723-72d3470ce3a5} |
| 15:23.05 | Warp4 | Robert W > Thank you for contacting Adelphia's High Speed Internet Online Technical Support. In order for us to maintain the integrity and security of your account, we will need you to provide us with the following information: 1. The account holder's first and last name 2. The complete billing address on the account Also one of the following three options: 1. Account number 2. Last four digits of the account holder's Social |
| 15:23.05 | Warp4 | karolamy > Rich and Karol Hansen |
| 15:23.07 | wols_ | Spec: you can just install xlibs and have an xserver on your desktop (if desktop is windows, get the one from cygwin) |
| 15:23.07 | E-bola | fsck.reiserfs beats the heck out of fsck.ext3 |
| 15:23.15 | wols_ | if desktop is linux, you should already have an xserver |
| 15:23.41 | anubis_EO | i'm having my server housed on monday, can anyone tell me if there is a way to tell debian to try and force a boot and not to hold if say there is an error with a filesystem?? |
| 15:23.56 | jasoncohen | Warp4 : configure? aren'te you installing from the deb? |
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| 15:24.06 | Warp4 | ugh |
| 15:24.12 | jasoncohen | Warp4, http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gparted/gparted_0.0.8-1_i386.deb?download |
| 15:24.28 | Spec | wols_: err, it's a server |
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| 15:24.46 | Warp4 | jasoncohen getting something about a missing XML parser mopdule in perl |
| 15:24.52 | Spec | wols_: and it's behind firewally goodness, so exporting an X server wouldn't be feasable, even if it had one installed |
| 15:24.57 | jasoncohen | Warp4, ok, maybe you're missing the deps |
| 15:25.11 | jasoncohen | Warp4, apt-get install libparted ; dpkg -i gparted...deb |
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| 15:25.19 | jasoncohen | Warp4, it should tell you what missing deps you have |
| 15:25.30 | jasoncohen | then apt-get those deps and dpkg -i gparted...deb again |
| 15:25.50 | stouset | Whoa. |
| 15:25.54 | wols_ | Spec: I didn't say you should install X. I said you should install xlibs. |
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| 15:25.56 | stouset | I just noticed the gpart package. |
| 15:26.06 | stouset | I wish I'd had that when I'd toasted a system's partition table by accident. |
| 15:26.12 | wols_ | also, I am sure your server has ssh running. that means you can tunnel over ssh |
| 15:26.13 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 15:26.37 | Spec | wols_: indeedy, but that's more work than i wanted to do for a gui, fdisk is easy :p |
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| 15:27.21 | jasoncohen | Spec, it would be easy if gparted was in sid/testing |
| 15:27.33 | Spec | how so? |
| 15:27.43 | jasoncohen | apt-get install gparted ..done |
| 15:27.51 | Spec | I can't download stuff directly onto the server, i can only scp it over, and if there are dependencies, i have to download/scp every single one of them |
| 15:28.07 | Warp4 | jasoncohen but i am on a sun ultra 5, so i can't use the i386 version |
| 15:28.12 | Spec | which is against my lazy philosophy |
| 15:28.23 | stouset | Spec: Why not use a tunnel? |
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| 15:29.10 | RainbowW | is etch currently a copy of sarge? or have changes already begun? (she asks for mirror-maintenance purposes) |
| 15:29.32 | anubis_EO | can anyone tell me, is there a way to stop the system halting on startup?? |
| 15:29.33 | Spec | I do not know how to set up tunnels, and to set up a tunnel so i could easily install gparted (i'm running woody though, so is gparted even in oldstable?), and xlibs, so i could export gparted over to my linux desktop so I could 'easily' repartition the harddrive...just seems a tad bit silly |
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| 15:29.39 | streuner | RainbowW: hundred of new packages are in etch |
| 15:29.57 | streuner | RainbowW: s/hundred/hundreds/ |
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| 15:30.21 | strubbel | anyone using firefox with a language package? |
| 15:30.22 | cusco | hi |
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| 15:30.41 | TBBle | All those repressed uploaders, sweating through the freeze with their fingers on the 'upload' button, unleashed at once upon an unsuspecting upload queue daemon... |
| 15:31.02 | rikva | strubbel: yes, why? |
| 15:31.03 | humbolt | what is a DMZ pinhole (I know what the DMZ part means)? |
| 15:31.11 | RainbowW | TBBle: lol. okay. |
| 15:31.16 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.21 | petemc | oops |
| 15:31.22 | darius-2xl | one more prob... ow can i upgrade to the latest version of kde |
| 15:31.23 | darius-2xl | ? |
| 15:31.30 | jasoncohen | Spec, why can't you download stuff directly? how do you upgrade your system? |
| 15:31.50 | cusco | darius-2xlthere is a kde repo which I don't remember |
| 15:31.54 | Spec | jasoncohen: well, it's up to date now, I need to get them to change the firewall rules so that I can download stuff ^.^ |
| 15:31.57 | strubbel | rikva: i installed the de-de locales for firefox, they show uo in tools->extensions but i can't get them to wotk |
| 15:32.17 | rikva | strubbel: are those the only locales you've installed? |
| 15:32.19 | TBBle | humbolt: Either a tiny hole in the firewall for things to go in and out, or a slight breech that quickly turns into an explosive decompression. I guess it depends if the metaphor was based on the firewall being fabric or an inflated baloon. |
| 15:32.26 | darius-2xl | "kde repository"? I'll google it, tnx |
| 15:32.29 | strubbel | rikva: yes |
| 15:32.41 | strubbel | rikva: mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de package |
| 15:33.14 | rikva | strubbel: the nl-nl locales work fine here... do you use firefox from the debian respository? |
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| 15:33.38 | strubbel | rikva: from ftp.de.debian.org i think |
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| 15:33.41 | trygvebw | Hi |
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| 15:33.55 | rikva | strubbel: hmm, sorry I can't help you further |
| 15:34.05 | strubbel | rikva: should the locales get loaded automaticly? |
| 15:34.11 | rikva | strubbel: yes |
| 15:34.12 | trygvebw | Is there anyway to install a package with apt-get even though another package not involved has unresolved dependencies? |
| 15:34.23 | RainbowW | is it possible to use debmirror to mirror two versions (sarge and etch, say) into a single pool directory? |
| 15:34.27 | strubbel | rikva: tnx anyway |
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| 15:34.31 | rikva | np |
| 15:34.33 | Karnaugh | ok so I'm not winning on finding djbdns :/ |
| 15:34.36 | cusco | what was that command to go back to the debian-base core installer? |
| 15:34.41 | caphuso | RainbowW: obviously |
| 15:34.54 | bob2 | RainbowW: of course |
| 15:34.55 | cusco | like... after installing it it says to run this again just typew something-base |
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| 15:35.03 | Karnaugh | added deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 15:35.03 | rikva | cusco: base-config ? |
| 15:35.03 | bob2 | RainbowW: -d eatch,sarge |
| 15:35.08 | maher | Karnaugh: google: debian djbns |
| 15:35.11 | cusco | thanks Ri |
| 15:35.14 | Karnaugh | and did an aptitude update |
| 15:35.17 | cusco | rikva |
| 15:35.17 | stouset | trygvebw: Elaborate? |
| 15:35.18 | Karnaugh | but i still dont see it there |
| 15:35.19 | RainbowW | Karnaugh: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html. djbdns isn't included as a debian compiled package because of very restrictive licencing. http://www.lifewithdjbdns.org/ |
| 15:35.22 | trygvebw | stouset: ? |
| 15:35.32 | stouset | trygvebw: Clarify what you meant :-) |
| 15:35.34 | Karnaugh | RainbowW: yea but there is an installer in the contrib packages |
| 15:35.39 | Karnaugh | non-free |
| 15:35.53 | maher | Karnaugh: non-us is gone |
| 15:35.58 | RainbowW | Karnaugh: i'd beware of it; it may work but if you need help on the mailing list it will be explicitly unsupported. |
| 15:35.59 | humbolt | is it common practice to have private IPs in DMZs and to NAT those on the firewall? |
| 15:36.05 | TBBle | non-us is _gone_? |
| 15:36.09 | jethro | humbolt: yes |
| 15:36.13 | RainbowW | TBBle: read the topic. |
| 15:36.13 | jethro | !nonus TBBle |
| 15:36.14 | dpkg | Hey, TBBle, the topic says non-us doesn't exist anymore. Wheee! Ask me about 'non-us'. |
| 15:36.25 | humbolt | jethro: why? |
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| 15:36.39 | jasoncohen | Karnaugh, there's no non-us |
| 15:36.43 | maher | humbolt: everything got moved back in to main |
| 15:36.49 | petemc | humbolt: my experience is that dmz is fairly useless term bandied about by people who use microsofts ISA |
| 15:37.00 | TBBle | Uh. Which doesn't address the non-crypto uses of non-US at all. >_< |
| 15:37.01 | maher | humbolt: sorry - ignore that |
| 15:37.03 | jethro | humbolt: read some documentation |
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| 15:37.44 | morpheus | Hi everyBody! |
| 15:37.57 | trygvebw | stouset: Well i installed one package the other day. Unfortunately i had to force-install it, and now apt-get is refusing to install other packages. How can i make it install new packages? |
| 15:37.59 | morpheus | can I have som help? |
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| 15:38.11 | morpheus | with my debian net install? |
| 15:38.25 | jethro | morpheus: /msg dpkg ask |
| 15:38.27 | humbolt | so when I would have 2 dns on the DMZ I would have two IPs for the firewall as well. Or would I use a seperate subnet that I make the firewall the router for and then just NAT on the way through the firewall? |
| 15:38.28 | intension_ | trygvebw it s your own fault :) |
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| 15:38.42 | stouset | trygvebw: Why'd you have to force-install it? |
| 15:38.49 | stouset | trygvebw: Just wondering. |
| 15:38.52 | cusco | morpheus sure, just ask! If someone can help, they will |
| 15:39.03 | trygvebw | intension_: Because i have messed a bit with my system and... ;) |
| 15:39.06 | bob2 | trygvebw: and pick one channel, dude |
| 15:39.12 | intension_ | trygvebw indeed and now you pay |
| 15:39.16 | bob2 | you're not actually using Debian, so it's not approriate to ask here |
| 15:39.23 | morpheus | How can I start my Xserver automatically when i start my computer??? |
| 15:39.36 | trygvebw | bob2: Well, i guessed people here knew more about apt-get since it's a Debian invention... |
| 15:39.36 | bob2 | morpheus: install x-window-system |
| 15:39.41 | wols_ | morpheus: install a display manager |
| 15:39.41 | jethro | morpheus: apt-get install a dm |
| 15:39.53 | TBBle | Hmm. Goes to show if I forget to read things. >_< |
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| 15:40.16 | bob2 | ah, hey TBBle |
| 15:40.34 | morpheus | i did it! i did apt-get install x-window-sys-core xfce4 |
| 15:40.47 | jethro | morpheus: install a dm |
| 15:40.56 | morpheus | and i must do "startx" every time |
| 15:40.56 | stouset | morpheus: apt-get install gdm |
| 15:41.13 | morpheus | a gdm |
| 15:41.18 | morpheus | only that? |
| 15:41.24 | wols_ | yes only that |
| 15:41.24 | jethro | morpheus: apt-get install xdm/gdm/wdm |
| 15:41.26 | morpheus | no config file? |
| 15:41.35 | stouset | morpheus: No config file. Download a DM. |
| 15:41.38 | RainbowW | morpheus: try it and see. |
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| 15:41.41 | morpheus | ok |
| 15:41.47 | morpheus | Thanks |
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| 15:41.58 | covux | morpheus: kdm is also a option :-) |
| 15:42.08 | morpheus | ;-) |
| 15:42.14 | wols_ | covux: he's a xfce user, so gdm fits btter :) |
| 15:42.35 | covux | wols_: mmk ;-) |
| 15:42.40 | Dustin_ | i wonder if someone had experience with external hdd plugged through usb? What could be the mountpoin? dmesg isnt that helpful |
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| 15:43.02 | erikyyy | debian netinst dunno install on HP xw4200 Workstation. has Tigon3 network card. detects MAC address correctly but does not send or receive packages. does not generate interrupts in /proc/interrupts |
| 15:43.11 | morpheus | and hum |
| 15:43.13 | petemc | Dustin_: cat /proc/scsi/scsi , tell us the Host: scsiN part |
| 15:43.21 | morpheus | other thing!!! |
| 15:43.24 | morpheus | :-D |
| 15:43.27 | maher | Dustin_: cat /proc/partitions |
| 15:43.40 | alfadir | anyone running vdr here? looking into nexus or nova+xine. recomendations ? debian packages seems to be availible |
| 15:44.10 | morpheus | how can we do to use a microsoft wireless bluetooth mouse on debian? |
| 15:44.15 | Dustin_ | looks like it isnt showing |
| 15:44.22 | TBBle | Mornin', bob2. |
| 15:46.19 | covux | morpheus: first install xserver then u have a environment to install/test mouse |
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| 15:46.51 | jethro | morpheus: /msg dpkg enter |
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| 15:47.53 | martinja | hi |
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| 15:48.01 | trygvebw | hi |
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| 15:48.12 | cahoot | Dustin_: usb-storage loaded? |
| 15:48.15 | sk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.18 | sk | E: Broken packages |
| 15:48.19 | sk | is it save to hack this ? |
| 15:48.20 | martinja | Where do I add non-free source to debian to be able to get those packages? |
| 15:48.31 | stouset | sk: Maybe. |
| 15:48.34 | sk | martinja: add non-free to your sources.list |
| 15:48.37 | Warp4 | jasoncohen ok my windows drives are fat32, do i specify fast32 or vfat in my fstab? |
| 15:48.42 | sk | stouset: i'm trying to meet deps for installing pine |
| 15:48.44 | intension_ | martinja dont |
| 15:48.52 | Dustin_ | cahoot, propably not. how do i load it? |
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| 15:49.04 | intension_ | martinja let them rot in hell with their commercial shit |
| 15:49.06 | cahoot | Dustin_: modprobe usb-storage |
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| 15:49.06 | martinja | why intension? |
| 15:49.09 | martinja | Ah ok |
| 15:49.15 | martinja | Well opera is pretty nice imo |
| 15:49.29 | martinja | sk where is the sources.list and what about source? |
| 15:49.51 | Dustin_ | missing modules.dep. i guess i didnt add module support to the kernel |
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| 15:50.06 | Warp4 | martinja sources.list should be in /etc/apt |
| 15:50.09 | cahoot | Dustin_: self made kernel? |
| 15:50.14 | Dustin_ | cahoot, yes |
| 15:50.24 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 15:50.28 | martinja | thanks |
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| 15:50.31 | Eclipser | are there any good music making programs for linux? |
| 15:50.31 | TBBle | Warp4: vfat. |
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| 15:51.24 | sk | where are the dependencies for apt stored again |
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| 15:51.41 | rking | Eclipser: try rezound, maybe |
| 15:51.56 | TBBle | sk: Pine depends on an exact version of libldap2-dev??? |
| 15:52.15 | sk | <sk> libldap2-dev: Depends: libldap2 (= 2.1.30-8) but 2.1.30-10 is to be installed |
| 15:52.18 | jason__ | sk, what do you mean? for the apt package or for any package? |
| 15:52.18 | sk | i have -10, it wants -8 |
| 15:52.18 | covux | Eclipser: try muse or rosegarden. i recommend to compile them cause the packages are outdated or not with all features compiled u probably wanna use |
| 15:52.27 | ledet | Eclipser: there are plenty... depends on what you want to do |
| 15:52.28 | jason__ | apt-cache show package |
| 15:52.30 | martinja | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.se.debian.org stable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 15:52.34 | jason__ | or apt-cache showpkg package |
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| 15:52.38 | TBBle | sk: Oh, right. That's whacky... |
| 15:52.41 | gypsymauro | hello I've two problem with mozilla and gnome, first , it's possible to use the new gtk file selector with mozilla-firefox? second, I neet to set automatically for every new user the proxy entries, can I do putting a file in the /etc/skel folder? |
| 15:52.45 | cahoot | Eclipser: http://linux-sound.org/ |
| 15:52.47 | Eclipser | ledet, music, like I once did with fast tracker 2 :) |
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| 15:52.50 | martinja | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free |
| 15:52.53 | jason__ | Marticus, there's no non-free any longer - see /topic |
| 15:52.54 | martinja | Whats wrong? |
| 15:52.58 | ledet | Eclipser: ah, you want a tracker |
| 15:53.02 | jason__ | Marticus, non-US i mean |
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| 15:53.10 | ledet | Eclipser: try soundtracker |
| 15:53.14 | mais | hello people, could you tell me some chain in orden to block surinf on the web, plz |
| 15:53.15 | Eclipser | not neccessarily but I'm most familiar with them |
| 15:53.18 | TBBle | sk: Stable, testing or unstable? |
| 15:53.22 | covux | Eclipser: www.skale.org/ <- kewl fasttracker clone |
| 15:53.22 | jason__ | lol, ignore me- thought that said non-US |
| 15:53.23 | d_i_b | hi could somebody either give me a copy of their /etc/apt/sources.list or give me url to show me the default ones that should be there |
| 15:53.26 | sk | last time i tried to hack apt i blew my system up |
| 15:53.32 | sk | so |
| 15:53.34 | sk | i'll just wait |
| 15:53.36 | Eclipser | covux, it doesn't work very well yet |
| 15:53.45 | Eclipser | I'm looking forward to its completion though |
| 15:53.47 | Anders1 | martinja, add contrib too if you are going to use non-free |
| 15:53.52 | martinja | ok |
| 15:54.01 | Anders1 | martinja, there's nothing wrong with that line btw |
| 15:54.07 | jason__ | d_i_b, you can use apt-config |
| 15:54.09 | martinja | ok |
| 15:54.12 | Eclipser | thanks everyone for hints |
| 15:54.37 | martinja | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.se.debian.org stable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 15:54.42 | martinja | Still getting some errors |
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| 15:54.57 | d_i_b | jason__ i havnt got anything in sources but |
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| 15:55.01 | covux | Eclipser: the softsynths and efx dont work under linux but old skool fasttracker features are allready there afaik. |
| 15:55.09 | jason__ | d_i_b, apt-config will set that up for you |
| 15:55.10 | martinja | I will post in flood the whole sources.list |
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| 15:55.22 | Eclipser | covux, it segfaults quite often for me :) |
| 15:55.24 | jason__ | d_i_b, oh, sorry apt-setup |
| 15:55.36 | covux | Eclipser: uhm. ok :-) |
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| 15:56.22 | jason__ | d_i_b, run apt-setup and add a http or ftp source. btw, you could have also re-run base-config which is the 2nd stage debian installer |
| 15:56.22 | martinja | Can anyone see whats wrong? |
| 15:56.45 | covux | Eclipser: maybe cheesetracker works for ya |
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| 15:57.25 | opera | 1.210a-2 |
| 15:57.30 | opera | of webmin-sshd... |
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| 15:58.02 | jason__ | d_i_b, get it setup? |
| 15:58.03 | covux | Eclipser: its also possible to run buzztracker under wine but its not much fun ;-) |
| 15:58.05 | Warp4 | ok another newb question - how do i disable services that run at startup? i don't use AppleTalk so I do not need that loaded every time i boot the computer? |
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| 15:58.26 | BK | when i start debian, if i want sound. i need to start xmms and increase the volume (even though the system volume is up to the max) any ideas why ? |
| 15:58.29 | d_i_b | jason__ no, i am not on debian the now, i am on fedora |
| 15:58.41 | drac | Warp4: apt-get install rcconf, and run 'rcconf' is the easy way. |
| 15:58.41 | jason__ | d_i_b, if you're running etch you should have one line that looks like deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free . |
| 15:58.44 | mikeX | BK, stroe alsa settings |
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| 15:58.50 | fwiw39xx | question - i have intel 925 chipset...does that support SATA2? does debian support SATA2? |
| 15:58.52 | drac | Warp4: And blacklisting unwanted modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 15:58.56 | mikeX | s/stroe/store |
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| 15:59.16 | Voodoo-Child | BK, take a look at alsamixer then store your setting alsactl store |
| 15:59.19 | jason__ | d_i_b, oh, well the debian installer would have setup your sources.list for you and then let you choose packages to install |
| 15:59.20 | cuti | can someone help me how do i show my cpu temperature? |
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| 15:59.42 | Pryon | put a thermometer in its butt and read it |
| 15:59.43 | drac | cuti: apt-get install lm-sensors, run sensors-detect, and sensors. |
| 15:59.43 | d_i_b | jason__ ill chroot into it |
| 15:59.53 | Voodoo-Child | cuti apt-get install mbmon |
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| 16:00.00 | PDani | hi |
| 16:00.07 | BK | Voodoo-Child how to store the settings again ? |
| 16:00.17 | PDani | which is that good sound editor? i always forget its name... |
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| 16:00.41 | cahoot | PDani: http://linux-sound.org/ |
| 16:00.47 | opera | 2 new versions of webmin-sshd and still it's tied to the dummy package 'ssh'... |
| 16:00.50 | Voodoo-Child | Bk "alsactl store" |
| 16:01.01 | opera | "it's safe to remove this dummy package" yeah... i don't think so. |
| 16:01.13 | cuti | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.13 | cuti | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:01.25 | BK | bash: alsactl: command not found |
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| 16:02.11 | cahoot | BK: as root? |
| 16:02.15 | BK | oh |
| 16:02.25 | fwiw39xx | does debian support SATA2 drives? |
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| 16:02.29 | Warp4 | drac thanks. now i just need to know what the appletalk driver name is so that i tcan blacklist it :) |
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| 16:02.35 | Voodoo-Child | BK: make sure you're login as root |
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| 16:02.45 | drac | Warp4: lsmod ? |
| 16:02.47 | BK | now i worked, thanks :) |
| 16:02.49 | BK | it* |
| 16:03.06 | cahoot | BK: alsactl restore at reboot |
| 16:03.20 | cuti | does my motherboard not support lm-sensors? |
| 16:03.31 | drac | BK: Or you can do 'dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base' and pick 'always save.' from it and you don't have to worry about alsactl -anything. |
| 16:03.44 | Voodoo-Child | cuti: try mbmon it has got a painless installation |
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| 16:04.11 | cuti | Voodoo-Child, i tried it |
| 16:04.15 | cuti | but it shows this info |
| 16:04.17 | cuti | No Hardware Monitor found!! |
| 16:04.17 | cuti | InitMBInfo: Success |
| 16:04.26 | mikeX | cuti, I think mbmon supports less chipsets |
| 16:04.36 | cuti | oh |
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| 16:04.42 | drac | cuti: Are you using 2.4 or 2.6 kernel (uname -r) ? |
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| 16:05.36 | cuti | i'm using 2.4 kernel drac |
| 16:05.44 | cuti | 2.4.26 |
| 16:06.00 | drac | cuti: I don't think 2.4 has any sensor modules installed by default. |
| 16:06.06 | diesel | I have installed webmin, it is listening on port 10000, and I have setup the acl to allow ip of my workstation, yet I still get connection refused. Why is this/ |
| 16:06.25 | drac | cuti: 'apt-cache search lm-sensors | grep 2.4' |
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| 16:07.00 | Warp4 | now one more question :) |
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| 16:07.26 | intension_ | is #debian blocking quit msgs : send(4, "QUIT :\2[\2BX\2]\2 No I do not belie"..., 83, 0) = 83 ? |
| 16:07.28 | Voodoo-Child | cuti: if you're running 2.4 x kernel I'm affraid you will need to compile required modules before go on |
| 16:07.36 | cuti | drac: lm-sensors-2.4.27-2-686, i2c-2.4.27-2-686 already installed |
| 16:07.40 | Warp4 | i am wanting to get my other 2 CD/DVDROM drives. What would I need to put in FSTAB for that to show? |
| 16:08.16 | cuti | i dont have to do it with 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:08.22 | drac | cuti: Ok. But for information, 2.6 still has them more. |
| 16:08.33 | cuti | oh |
| 16:08.40 | cuti | let me reboot to 2.6 |
| 16:08.51 | jazz70 | pawel polska prosi o pomoc , jest ktos z pl |
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| 16:09.04 | mikeX | Warp4, where are they connected? |
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| 16:09.14 | berzerka | i read these days in i guess etch release notes of any kind that update-menus now works slightly different when invoked by a user, but i dont find that file anymore. does anyone know which i could relate to? |
| 16:09.26 | Voodoo-Child | Warp4 : It should look like this for example /dev/hdx /mnt/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 16:09.53 | Voodoo-Child | Warp4: hdx "x" depending where your device is |
| 16:09.55 | Warp4 | Voodoo-Child thanks :) actually just saw that in my own fstab file (helping another friend try to get started on linux) |
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| 16:10.50 | intension_ | bob2 is #debian blocking quit msgs ? |
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| 16:11.53 | diesel | nm |
| 16:11.53 | faw | anybody had problems with psmouse in a notebook? |
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| 16:11.57 | bob2 | intension_: no |
| 16:12.07 | intension_ | thanks bob2 |
| 16:12.26 | faw | in the end of boot the module is loaded but it don't work, if I remove the module and modprobe it again, everything works fine until the next reboot |
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| 16:13.52 | alexander_ | sup all |
| 16:14.20 | alexander_ | how can i make default file perms in a dir for new files to be 664 instead of 644? |
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| 16:15.02 | thomas_adam | alexander_: Reset your umask. |
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| 16:15.11 | hikenboot | hello---I have a problem with a slow TCP/IP stack is there any debian HOWTO's on troubleshooting such issues? |
| 16:15.25 | alexander_ | thomas_adam, thanks |
| 16:15.33 | Kepplar | what package is brctl located? |
| 16:15.41 | Warp4 | Voodoo-Child one more questions and I will leave everyone alone :) |
| 16:15.44 | bob2 | Kepplar: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 16:15.47 | PeTeRB | Kepplar: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:16.18 | Warp4 | i have 2 CDROM drives on /dev/hdc -- what would I need to put into my /etc/fstab file for these drives the be accessible? |
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| 16:16.48 | cuti | i'm in 2.6.8 kernel now |
| 16:16.55 | cuti | how do i show my cpu temperature |
| 16:17.03 | Voodoo-Child | did you see what I sent you before, remplace /dev/hdx for /dev/hdc instead |
| 16:17.12 | cuti | when i start sensors it says No sensors found! |
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| 16:17.17 | drac | cuti: try sensors-detect again, and load the modules it suggests.. and sensors again. |
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| 16:17.39 | jazz70 | problem with routing, can anybody help me? |
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| 16:18.14 | faw | jazz70, just go ahead and ask :) |
| 16:18.28 | Voodoo-Child | Warp4: /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:18.37 | Warp4 | Voodoo-Child i do I use an hdc1 since that is the slave drive on the secondary controller? |
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| 16:18.48 | Warp4 | I have 2 CDROM drivers on one controller. |
| 16:18.52 | Warp4 | drives* |
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| 16:19.05 | jazz70 | some www sites can be readed only from my router, and not from my lan , although i can ping it |
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| 16:19.38 | cuti | drac, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/MbeRjN21.html |
| 16:19.47 | cuti | it doesnt show the temp |
| 16:19.48 | Voodoo-Child | Warp4: you have Ide2 right?, master is hdc and slave is hdd |
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| 16:20.40 | jazz70 | only specific www sites make problems,eg juno.com ebay.com, |
| 16:21.06 | xzgv | During the Sarge net-install, is XFS only working with LILO, or it can be used with GRUB?? |
| 16:21.17 | drasko | is it enogh to copy ms fonts to /usr/share/fonts directoey to get tt fonts? |
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| 16:21.34 | asg | drasko: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 16:21.35 | drac | cuti: yeah, seems like it didn't find any sensors from your motherboard (if you ran sensors-detect correctly, and modprobed the modules it suggested) |
| 16:21.54 | cuti | yeah |
| 16:21.57 | jazz70 | the transfer is immediality going down, after connection |
| 16:22.00 | cuti | i did all of that correctly. |
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| 16:22.37 | cuti | i loaded i2c-i801 and eeprom |
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| 16:23.28 | wols_ | jazz70: MTU problems probably. do you use ADLS? kernel pppoe? |
| 16:23.53 | wols_ | *ADSL |
| 16:23.56 | valdyn | jazz70: which firewall are you using ( if any ) |
| 16:24.22 | error403 | I was wondering, is there a package yet for KDE 3.4 on Debian? |
| 16:24.29 | ircdevil | humbolt |
| 16:24.33 | bob2 | error403: /topic |
| 16:24.33 | ircdevil | ops |
| 16:24.35 | Bazzi | error403 rtft |
| 16:24.36 | valdyn | jazz70: how are you connected to the net? via adsl ( pppoe ) ? |
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| 16:24.47 | error403 | sorry.... will do! |
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| 16:25.36 | streuner | error403: KDE 3.4 will be soon in sid |
| 16:25.45 | aFlag | is this correct: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib ? will i get the security updates this way? |
| 16:26.06 | drasko | asg, not exactly what I am searchiog for... I installed mscorefonts already, but I was wondering would copying fonts from windoze partition to /usr/share/font work? |
| 16:26.06 | legis | Hi, what is a good bandwidth monitoring tool that shows live usage? |
| 16:26.07 | wols_ | legis: iptraf |
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| 16:26.23 | legis | wols_: okay. thanks. |
| 16:26.44 | valdyn | drasko: why not ~/.fonts/ ? |
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| 16:28.08 | streuner | error403: parts of 3.4 are in experimental already, just ask in #debian-kde to get more recent infos |
| 16:28.16 | joshk | is anyone very familiar with gnuplot? |
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| 16:28.29 | schrankwand | hi, wich device-file is for firewire? |
| 16:28.46 | valdyn | jazz70: your firewall is ? |
| 16:29.04 | jazz70 | i suppose my router make my datagrams strange or even 'danger' for other machines |
| 16:29.04 | dareth | which live traffic monitors work in a switched environment? |
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| 16:29.08 | wols_ | valdyn: something called pld-linux, so I guess iptables |
| 16:29.18 | jazz70 | valdyn: my firewall is nothing |
| 16:29.37 | wols_ | jazz70: no. it just doesn't clamp the MTU which confuses old and crappy routers |
| 16:29.54 | wols_ | jazz70: if you have a NAT router, you have a firewall |
| 16:30.06 | jazz70 | wols_ how can i check it? |
| 16:30.20 | valdyn | jazz70: yea, what wols_ sais, google 'for clamp mms' or 'clampmms' |
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| 16:30.29 | wols_ | run "iptables -L" on the router. if there are a lot of rules, you run it |
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| 16:30.39 | shevek | I'm building a package, but dh_install claims that "cp: `./debian/tmp/usr/games/gnocatan' and `debian/tmp//usr/games/gnocatan' are the same file". In debian/gnocatan-client.install I have debian/tmp/usr/games/gnocatan. Why doesn't it install it to debian/gnocatan-client/usr/games? |
| 16:30.40 | jazz70 | wols_:thx |
| 16:30.48 | drasko | valdyn, why not, can you tell me -- after all theat's what I am asking. I don't know. |
| 16:30.48 | intension_ | dareth i think i know what you mean , haha |
| 16:30.48 | Eulex | !thx |
| 16:30.48 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 16:30.58 | xiaogil | using regexp, is it possible to isolate coded with 2, 3 or 4 bits characters ? |
| 16:31.13 | dareth | nog |
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| 16:31.49 | BK | where are the fonts located in debian ? |
| 16:31.51 | dareth | is it difficult to setup mrtg on one comp with a GUI but pull results from another non-gui machine? |
| 16:32.25 | valdyn | drasko: i would prefer changes in /home/ when they suffice over changes in /usr. Both works, you should have x-ttcidfont-conf installed and run 'dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf' if you install fonts to /usr/share/fonts/ |
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| 16:32.47 | streuner | BK: dpkg -L package |
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| 16:33.02 | Eulex | BK: /usr/share/fonts |
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| 16:33.47 | senorjefep | does anyone here provide live help? |
| 16:33.50 | jazz70 | wols_: i cant answer your question in real time give me more time |
| 16:33.56 | valdyn | senorjefep: no |
| 16:34.01 | senorjefep | okay thanks. |
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| 16:34.48 | wols_ | jazz70: I didn't pose a question. you did. |
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| 16:34.52 | valdyn | !help senorjefep |
| 16:34.53 | jazz70 | wols_: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE its my 1 and only iptables line |
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| 16:35.13 | wols_ | jazz70: and it's 90% sure that you run iptables. so just clamp the packets like we all told you |
| 16:35.31 | valdyn | !clampmms |
| 16:35.33 | wols_ | jazz70: then it's a very very sucky router. use debian and ipmasq |
| 16:36.01 | wols_ | valdyn: you sure it's not "mss"? |
| 16:36.11 | valdyn | wols_: ops, no, not at all |
| 16:36.29 | wols_ | jazz70: http://lists.roaringpenguin.com/pipermail/rp-pppoe/2004-August/000006.html |
| 16:36.38 | valdyn | wols_: its mss |
| 16:36.52 | jazz70 | wols_: ok thanks a lot |
| 16:36.59 | wols_ | jazz70: however, the way your current router is set up is a bad way. either get a decent iptables script or use debian+ipmasq |
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| 16:41.21 | ginux | I have, the next problem: |
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| 16:42.30 | ginux | VFS: Cannot open root device "307" or unknown-block(3,7) Pease append a correct "root" boot option Kernel panic: VFS : Unable munt root fs on unknown-block(3,7) |
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| 16:42.57 | ginux | this happend when i install from " dselect " the kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 16:43.24 | cbr | cbr@shield:~ $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:43.25 | cbr | sidcbr@shield:~ $ |
| 16:43.29 | cbr | is this a bug, lol? |
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| 16:43.43 | cbr | there supposed to be a \n there somewhere |
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| 16:44.00 | intension_ | ginux do you have your backup/old kernel ? |
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| 16:44.12 | ginux | intension_, yes |
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| 16:44.29 | ginux | but i haven't gdm or kdm there .. only console |
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| 16:44.44 | slicslak | anyone run a server with automated backups? do you shut down services before backing up? or if/how do you manage files that might be locked/being changed while you backup? |
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| 16:44.45 | intension_ | ginux use it to boot from and fix your lilo.conf |
| 16:45.33 | ginux | infinity_, lilo.conf was fixed by dselect... it did a image of /boot/image-2.6.x-K7 |
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| 16:45.53 | ginux | i dunno is was working good |
| 16:45.57 | intension_ | ginux you are intalling an initrd kernel , it needs a initrd line in lilo.conf |
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| 16:46.26 | intension_ | ginux if it was working good , you messed up something else |
| 16:46.48 | ginux | intension_, so what i must to do ? .. i dunno how put initrd line .. |
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| 16:47.14 | intension_ | ginux first you read what you want to do , then you do |
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| 16:47.51 | ginux | intension_, i know what i want to do the problem is how to do it... |
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| 16:48.05 | illmaster | hello |
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| 16:48.19 | intension_ | ginux i know |
| 16:48.32 | illmaster | i just installed debian and i have a problem ;( |
| 16:48.40 | jethro | illmaster: /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 16:49.23 | gerard | hi all |
| 16:49.26 | eri-- | hello there |
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| 16:49.43 | dv_ | hey |
| 16:49.51 | dv_ | i wanna make a small bugreport with debian and scons |
| 16:50.06 | dv_ | can I paste it here? i wrote it in #scons already |
| 16:50.10 | eri-- | i have installed debian, but the grub boot manager didn't show on the list my BSD system |
| 16:50.10 | intension_ | dv_ no |
| 16:50.18 | eri-- | the question is how can i fix that problem ?? |
| 16:50.20 | ginux | intension_, so what do u recommend to me ? . |
| 16:50.21 | dv_ | (5 lines) |
| 16:50.25 | eri-- | just enter it by hand?? |
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| 16:50.27 | dv_ | intension_, then where? |
| 16:50.40 | dv_ | its just that debian seems to forget about symlinking "g++-3.3" to "g++" |
| 16:50.41 | intension_ | ginux read about precompiled kernels or initrd + lilo |
| 16:50.51 | wols_ | dv_: no |
| 16:51.00 | dv_ | well, it forgot about it here |
| 16:51.06 | dv_ | i had to symlink it manually |
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| 16:51.11 | kyrios | hello |
| 16:51.13 | dv_ | it linked gcc-3.3 to gcc though |
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| 16:51.16 | wols_ | dv_: apt-cache show reportbug |
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| 16:51.33 | dv_ | oh |
| 16:51.34 | dv_ | nice |
| 16:51.36 | snoke | can anu 2.4 kernel compile with gcc-3.4 ? |
| 16:51.51 | illmaster | thanks alot but i tried all that, except for the manual, i have no manual.. |
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| 16:52.22 | cuti | do you know i removed some modules in /etc/modules and did update-modules but it still load? |
| 16:52.33 | cuti | how do i permanent remove them |
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| 16:53.15 | mick_home | wtf... i thought Novell owns Suse... wtf are they doing providing .exe binaries for code examples |
| 16:53.17 | mick_home | http://developer.novell.com/ndk/doc/samplecode/cldap_sample/ |
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| 16:53.34 | mick_home | someone see the .tar.bz2 file that i'd love to see right now? |
| 16:53.53 | eri-- | anybody ?? |
| 16:53.59 | cahoot | cuti: could be hotplug or discover at work - try /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 16:54.27 | cuti | cahoot, oh i installed hotplug |
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| 16:54.40 | eri-- | i have installed debian, but the grub boot manager didn't show on the list my BSD system |
| 16:54.43 | eri-- | the question is how can i fix that problem ?? |
| 16:54.46 | eri-- | just enter it by hand?? |
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| 16:54.51 | eri-- | anybody ?? |
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| 16:54.59 | jethro | !irritate eri-- |
| 16:55.01 | dpkg | eri--: wenas how can I make my libranet werkz !!!! |
| 16:55.08 | cuti | thx cahoot |
| 16:55.16 | jdhutchin1 | eri--, yes, enter it by hand |
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| 16:55.21 | kyrios | i have a problem with enlightenment, i click with left bottun of the mouse and nothing appear. how do i put to appear the user menu? |
| 16:55.23 | sniff | anybody else have problems with gnome in unstable debian? |
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| 16:55.30 | jethro | sniff: yes |
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| 16:56.20 | drac | sniff: most likely, since it's unstable. |
| 16:56.28 | concept10 | Could someone tell me where the dir of the kernel modules? |
| 16:56.39 | drac | concept10: /lib/modules/kernel_version_here |
| 16:56.48 | concept10 | drac, thanks |
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| 16:57.40 | schrankwand | Do I need the modules raw1394, video1394, ohci1394 and ieee1394 if I have firewire compiled into the kernel? |
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| 16:58.58 | sewi | hello, I want to substitute the libfreetype6 package by my own one. So far I've built freetype package using checkinstall. Now I want to remove libfreetype6, but typing apt-get remove libfreetype6, apt-get wants to remove other 274 packages. How to cope with this problem? |
| 16:59.18 | intension_ | sewi press no |
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| 16:59.55 | sewi | intension_, I don't understand |
| 17:00.21 | intension_ | sewi click the no button |
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| 17:01.21 | sewi | intension_, I've done it, but then what? |
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| 17:02.30 | sewi | intension_, I mean I pressed no:) but how to remove only one package? |
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| 17:02.50 | kyrios | i have a problem with enlightenment, i click with left bottun of the mouse and nothing appear. how do i put to appear the user menu? |
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| 17:03.03 | drac | sewi: It's not generally good idea to play with dependencies |
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| 17:03.37 | nomad_cz | Hi. When tools like depmod causes seg fault it is probably memory issue, is not it ? |
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| 17:03.45 | sewi | drac, I know, but I have problem with my fonts in KDE and this only works |
| 17:03.49 | cahoot | sewi: using sid or what? |
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| 17:04.06 | sewi | cahoot, I'm using Sarge |
| 17:04.18 | sciron | quicky q: is there a reasonably easy (new to pkg building, btw) way to setup the configure and compile time options when building a binary pkg? I'm still reading... |
| 17:04.29 | cahoot | sewi: maybe this can help: http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr/?page=debcustomize |
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| 17:05.51 | intension_ | sciron there is no such thing as a compile time option |
| 17:05.53 | sewi | all this happend when I wanted enable bitmap fonts. I've done dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and then fonts become ugly |
| 17:06.15 | cahoot | sewi: isn't that par for the course? |
| 17:06.17 | sciron | intension_, there is the capability of having the system use -march & -O |
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| 17:07.05 | sciron | intension_, I've been asked that question after installing one of the maintainer packages.... just not familiar enough yet to remember how to utilize it, much less set certain configure options |
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| 17:07.17 | sewi | cahoot, my English is not so good, what do you mean? |
| 17:07.21 | BK | í |
| 17:07.50 | BK | i'm looking for something like mspaint for debian. any suggestions ? |
| 17:07.56 | cahoot | sewi: bitmapped fonts getting distorted when scaled etc |
| 17:08.05 | FarrisG | BK: the gimp? |
| 17:08.12 | valdyn | BK: tuxpaint? |
| 17:08.14 | BK | gimp is kinda heavy |
| 17:08.21 | EdibleText | nomad_cz, perhaps, it could also be linked to incorrect libs |
| 17:08.23 | sciron | tkpaint? |
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| 17:08.40 | sewi | cahoot, well I wanted have 'fixed' font in gvim |
| 17:09.03 | nomad_cz | EdibleText: It worked at first and it doesn't happen all the time ... |
| 17:09.16 | sewi | cahoot, now I have, everything looks good with freetype 2.1.9 |
| 17:09.16 | notty | there was a good how to on how to configure postfix/courier on sarge on the net .. anyone can give me a link.. i can't find it with google |
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| 17:09.35 | nomad_cz | EdibleText: What do u think ? |
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| 17:09.53 | sewi | the only problem is that with libfreetype6 it doesn't work for me |
| 17:10.20 | cahoot | sewi: ok - read the url - it explains how to build and install a customized deb without ruining the rest |
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| 17:10.42 | sewi | cahoot, thank you for the link:) |
| 17:11.00 | gtlarue | where do I find the debian equivalent of /etc/sysconfig/network? |
| 17:11.13 | gtlarue | I am trying to find the config file in which the hostname is defined |
| 17:11.18 | cinix | gtlarue, /etc/network/interfaces I think maybe |
| 17:11.24 | cinix | oh |
| 17:11.27 | cinix | /etc/hostname? |
| 17:11.28 | jethro | gtlarue: /etc/hostname |
| 17:11.36 | nomad_cz | gtlarue: man hostname |
| 17:11.39 | gtlarue | thanks, I'll see if that works |
| 17:11.44 | EdibleText | nomad_cz, inconsistant semi-reproducible errors..? sounds like bad memory. grab the memtest86 iso and check your chips |
| 17:11.46 | intension_ | sciron be specific please, nice words dont do anything here |
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| 17:13.05 | nomad_cz | EdibleText: Thanks ;) I think so. Just wanted to narrow all options ;) |
| 17:13.13 | Mak | hello |
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| 17:13.36 | sciron | infinity_, hahaa, sorry. I start out with the src deb package, I want the target built with specific gcc options, and probably certain configure options. it looks like i'll have to not use some of the maintainer software to do so (e.g. dpkg-buildpackage) |
| 17:13.55 | Mak | I get this error when I try to update after adding the security repository: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/ma in Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_main_bin |
| 17:14.03 | maher | sciron: edit debian/rules or use apt-src |
| 17:14.22 | sciron | maher, systemwide as opposed to pkg specific? ty for the info btw |
| 17:14.44 | sciron | 12 year slack user, only been in debian for a few weeks now... nice distribution |
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| 17:15.46 | valdyn | sciron: how compile time options are passed are not unified in debian - depends on your source package. |
| 17:15.51 | cahoot | sciron: maybe this can help: http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr/?page=debcustomize |
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| 17:16.08 | gtlarue | excellent, that is one error taken care of, thanks for the tip |
| 17:16.10 | sciron | cahoot, d'oh... ok.... the maintainer doc is a little more than I needed, didn't think to look there |
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| 17:16.29 | sciron | tyvm for the aid |
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| 17:18.04 | sciron | mmm... another one: I've been seeing issues with using aptitude vs. apt-get.. they don't maintain the same databases? |
| 17:18.37 | valdyn | Mak: it should be 'sarge/update main', not sarge/updates/main in your sources.list |
| 17:19.02 | cahoot | sciron: AFAIK aptitude is 'recommended' for sarge |
| 17:19.19 | sciron | cahoot, it is, in the docs.. but it doesn't do everything apt-get can, the docs even mention to use apt-get sometimes... |
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| 17:19.34 | gtlarue | now, is the entire XKB config located in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 17:19.34 | valdyn | afaik aptitude is only recommended for the dist-upgrade, i still don't like what it does. |
| 17:19.34 | cahoot | sciron: apt-get for source |
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| 17:19.53 | gtlarue | I need to fic my xkb config and am not quite sure what about it is broken |
| 17:20.03 | sciron | cahoot, yeah.... I'm trying to find that fine line for using one over the other, hearing great success from exclusive apt-get users |
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| 17:20.51 | senorjefep | can anyone provide live help or point me toward help for setting up debian on a TP600E? There are lots of resources but I am new to gnu/linux and dont know how to get the video/sound/wireless card to work. |
| 17:21.00 | sciron | just seems odd for such a rock solid pkg database... rpm databases I can break rather quickly |
| 17:21.08 | rss | Hi, when I upgraded to Stable from Testing I chose my country as India and it tagged the locale of this installation as "En_IN" though I had deselected it and selected "En-US-UTF-8" |
| 17:21.11 | concept10 | Anyone know a good guide for recompiling the kernel |
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| 17:21.16 | rss | now it is giving me problems |
| 17:21.33 | valdyn | sciron: aptitude keeps a log by default i think ( thats one reason to use it ) |
| 17:21.51 | kerneld | concept10: Maybe check /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 17:21.52 | sciron | mmm... not a bad idea, that |
| 17:21.55 | rss | I get an error each time I install anything |
| 17:22.09 | rss | an error of a Perl script |
| 17:22.15 | kerneld | concept10: .. if you have kernel-package installed |
| 17:22.41 | rss | should I paste the error on #flood? |
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| 17:22.56 | nomad_cz | senorjefep: Check it out : http://condor.depaul.edu/~jkristof/debian-tp600e.html |
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| 17:23.26 | nomad_cz | senorjefep: But take it easy it is meant for woody ;) And yes I did not read it ;) |
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| 17:24.25 | concept10 | kerneld, I dont have that installed |
| 17:24.52 | valdyn | rss: go ahead |
| 17:25.01 | jason__ | anyone happen to know where the gnome wallpapers are stored? i want to edit one in the gimp but i can't seem to find it's location |
| 17:25.41 | berzerka | update-menus doesnt work anymore after the upgrade to etch? what has changed in the new version? |
| 17:25.47 | Overand | Hey, I used qtparted off a 'sysrestorecd' type disc to resize a windows partition on a laptop so there'd be room to install debian, but the (sarge) installer throws an error about not being able to find a suitable disc to partition. but, it *does* load the data off the CD just fine, and appears to mount the cd drive just fine |
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| 17:26.10 | pbmax | Is it hard to compile against a libc6 older than I'm running? I have 2.3.2. A machine I want to run on has 2.2.5 and is moaning about it... |
| 17:26.14 | Overand | i only used the 2.6 installer |
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| 17:26.35 | Overand | ah, looks like it's a known issue with the inspiron 9300 |
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| 17:27.20 | da_bon_bon | any bot here who can link me to a sid package ? |
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| 17:27.37 | ATF | Hi. I'm stuck with a certain version of mailutils: The following packages have been kept back: mailutils (0.6-2 => 0.6.90-1) |
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| 17:27.48 | ATF | But according to http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mailutils.html there's a much newer version. |
| 17:28.00 | valdyn | ATF: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:28.06 | geft | how do make a program run automatically after loggin into blackbox? i use gdm and the stuff on the net only work if i use startx |
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| 17:28.08 | valdyn | ATF: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:28.10 | da_bon_bon | dpkg: search sid dash |
| 17:28.11 | ATF | valdyn: Doesn't work |
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| 17:28.31 | valdyn | ATF: i know, but what is the "error", why is it kept back |
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| 17:28.46 | gtlarue | where do I find my xkb config file? |
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| 17:29.00 | valdyn | ATF: 'apt-get install mailutils' should show you. |
| 17:29.03 | gtlarue | running sarge |
| 17:29.05 | ATF | valdyn: What I pasted it all it says |
| 17:29.18 | Dustin_ | did you that as root? |
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| 17:29.32 | ATF | Ah, libgsasl7 vs libgsasl1 |
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| 17:29.55 | valdyn | ATF: which debian release are you running? |
| 17:29.56 | da_bon_bon | no bot to search pkgs ? |
| 17:30.03 | Lefraru | #debian-es |
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| 17:30.08 | Spec | !showpkg cowsay |
| 17:30.12 | Spec | !info cowsay |
| 17:30.14 | Spec | hmm |
| 17:30.15 | dpkg | cowsay: (A configurable talking cow), section games, is optional. Version: 3.03-6 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 78 kB |
| 17:30.19 | Spec | oh, it does work |
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| 17:30.24 | XTF | valdyn: Unstable (XTF) |
| 17:30.24 | da_bon_bon | Spec: no link ? |
| 17:30.31 | da_bon_bon | !showpkg dash |
| 17:30.42 | Spec | i don't know which one it was, might've been info |
| 17:30.50 | valdyn | XTF: i asked 'ATF' |
| 17:30.57 | nomad_cz | da_bon_bon: do not know this cchannel but there is bot in #danix (Debian based distro). And u can use debian.org ;) |
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| 17:31.05 | XTF | valdyn: I'm both. |
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| 17:31.37 | stelmi | don't |
| 17:31.39 | valdyn | !sid |
| 17:31.39 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 17:31.44 | valdyn | XTF: ^^^ |
| 17:31.47 | Spec | XTF: creepy |
| 17:32.27 | da_bon_bon | !etch |
| 17:32.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
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| 17:32.34 | XTF | valdyn: I know what sid/unstable is. |
| 17:32.35 | valdyn | XTF: maybe you can fix that with current package available, maybe not, maybe the bts already has info about this, maybe not, you're running unstable, i cant help you. |
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| 17:32.40 | da_bon_bon | !sarge |
| 17:32.40 | dpkg | well, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me install debian, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 17:32.48 | da_bon_bon | !potato |
| 17:32.49 | dpkg | [potato] Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 17:32.52 | da_bon_bon | ok |
| 17:32.55 | da_bon_bon | i will stop :D |
| 17:32.58 | XTF | valdyn: The apt-get install mailutils fixed it. |
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| 17:33.08 | resiak | !no, sarge+1 is <reply> see etch |
| 17:33.19 | resiak | .... |
| 17:33.34 | Overand | hey, it's resiak! |
| 17:33.41 | Overand | and oddly enough, i just said that ouitloud before i typed it |
| 17:33.42 | da_bon_bon | !sarge+1 |
| 17:33.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge+1 is etch, okay? |
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| 17:34.18 | ssb | !etch+1 |
| 17:34.27 | senorjefep | hey ive read all these guids and i dont really understand.. im totally new |
| 17:34.27 | ssb | :) |
| 17:34.31 | resiak | Overand: Heh |
| 17:34.33 | stelmi | test |
| 17:34.38 | resiak | dpkg: no sarge+1 is <reply> see etch |
| 17:34.38 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 17:34.39 | Overand | stelmi: yes, you said 'test' |
| 17:34.50 | cbr | what was the command for the system to wait for a few seconds |
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| 17:34.54 | Overand | !sarge+1 |
| 17:34.54 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
| 17:35.01 | Overand | looks good |
| 17:35.02 | resiak | cbr: sleep |
| 17:35.06 | cbr | yes, thanks |
| 17:35.06 | Warp4 | hey all, troublemaker again :) |
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| 17:35.22 | valdyn | cbr: no command like that, if you want a script to wait, man 1 sleep |
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| 17:35.56 | nomad_cz | senorjefep: ;) U should try it first and then ask some more accurate questions ;) |
| 17:36.31 | nomad_cz | senorjefep: and use google.com - there is a lot info there ;) |
| 17:36.38 | Thaiger | I pulled winex from CVS, did the whole configure make make install thing, but now when I run it it says it can't find libntdll.so, but I can find the file, any ideas? |
| 17:36.43 | rss | valdyn, I was installing gpm to copy and paste the error, now I am done, so please see #flood |
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| 17:37.18 | Warp4 | ok I see that my DVD burner is installed in fstab. Would I need to change something in that file to tell linux that it is indeed a DVD/CD burner? |
| 17:37.28 | valdyn | rss: 'dpkg-reconfigure locales', if you are manually setting the locale somewhere, use only values generated by dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
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| 17:38.37 | rss | valdyn, did that and en_IN was not even selected... and only en_US-utf-8 was selected. |
| 17:38.40 | Eulex | Warp4: make it rw? |
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| 17:38.53 | mwe | sylog and messages isnt rotated by logrotate. Is that normal? |
| 17:38.59 | resiak | Thaiger: Ask a cedega channel? |
| 17:39.56 | Warp4 | Eulex, not quite sure I follow? |
| 17:40.34 | Eulex | Warp4, I dunno about it, but wouldn't it be logical to make it read-write? |
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| 17:40.42 | valdyn | Thaiger: http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 17:41.08 | Spec | Warp4: i doubt you need to make it rw |
| 17:41.18 | valdyn | Warp4: no, mounting has nothing to do with burning |
| 17:41.28 | nomad_cz | Wanderer: it should be ok for playing, for burbibg u could check cdrecord settings |
| 17:41.29 | Spec | Warp4: i've never touched fstab in regards of dvd-rw and mine works fine |
| 17:41.35 | Warp4 | valdyn, I am just wanting it to READ :) |
| 17:41.36 | nomad_cz | Wanderer: burning ;) |
| 17:41.39 | Warp4 | at least for now. |
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| 17:41.52 | rss | Is there a perl script which helps the debian-installer to automagically guess and set the computer's locale based on the physical location selected? |
| 17:42.12 | valdyn | Warp4: its also irrelevant for 'reading', if its a burner or not. |
| 17:42.31 | Spec | rw/ro will work for the 'r' means read :p |
| 17:42.56 | rss | I had selected somewhere during the installation, to set British English as default language for dictionaries |
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| 17:44.04 | valdyn | rss: there is _no_ link between your dictionary language and your locale / timezone / whatever, period. |
| 17:44.40 | rss | Then why am I getting an error every I time install some thing through apt-get |
| 17:44.58 | rss | and it is perl which is throwing the errors |
| 17:45.00 | nomad_cz | rss: change link in /etc/dictionaries-common I thin there is some update-* thing or u could use dpkg-reconfigure ... ;) |
| 17:45.05 | valdyn | rss: in unstable? |
| 17:45.15 | rss | in Sarge the Stable |
| 17:45.37 | valdyn | rss: echo $LANG |
| 17:45.40 | Eulex | rss: what error? |
| 17:45.42 | rss | nomad_cz, I will try reconfiguring dictionaries \-common |
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| 17:45.47 | Lefraru | ALGUIEN DE CHILE |
| 17:45.55 | nomad_cz | rss: He is right - what error ? |
| 17:45.56 | rss | Eulex, please see again in #flood |
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| 17:46.18 | rss | nomad_cz, see my previous reply |
| 17:46.19 | valdyn | rss: is $LANG in /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 17:46.22 | Eulex | rss: I'm on #flood now |
| 17:46.26 | nomad_cz | rss: One thing is change dictionary but there should not be any error ;) |
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| 17:46.59 | valdyn | im not sure where he concludes that the dictionary has *anything* to do with his locale |
| 17:47.22 | nomad_cz | valdyn: I cannot see it either |
| 17:47.49 | rss | I'm pasting my Locale.gen |
| 17:48.10 | nomad_cz | rss: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:48.13 | valdyn | rss: now your $LANG please |
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| 17:48.36 | nomad_cz | rss: end check LC_* and LANG* envs |
| 17:48.56 | valdyn | rss: is this a fresh debian install or an upgrade ( from possibly woody ) ? |
| 17:49.00 | wols_ | rss: "dpkg-reconfigure locales". have you done that already? |
| 17:49.10 | rss | upgrade from Testing |
| 17:49.14 | rss | yes |
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| 17:49.43 | valdyn | rss: paste the output of 'echo $LANG' |
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| 17:50.08 | Eulex | valdyn: it's en_IN, he told me in #flood |
| 17:50.19 | valdyn | Eulex: thanks, found it. |
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| 17:50.51 | valdyn | rss: where did you find en_IN ? |
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| 17:51.05 | rss | echo $LANG |
| 17:51.13 | Eulex | w00t, firefox segfaulted again? |
| 17:51.26 | rss | I did not select that locale anywhere |
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| 17:51.46 | valdyn | rss: dpkg-reconfigure locales, pick en_IN, if that doesnt fix it, tell us. |
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| 17:53.10 | dbeal | IE doesn't crash like Firefox does: WindowsCore::IE.browserInstance(BrowserID)->onSegfault(continue_nonchalant); |
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| 17:53.36 | rss | I did export LANG=C but I still get errors |
| 17:53.43 | rss | valdyn, will do it now |
| 17:53.45 | Eulex | dbeal: it just disappears |
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| 17:54.04 | Eulex | rss: then there's something that is badly messed up... |
| 17:54.05 | Lefraru | chile chile |
| 17:54.08 | rss | I am pasting the new error again |
| 17:54.21 | valdyn | rss: if your $LANG is set to en_IN, then you exported it in a different shell. Export goes per shell ( and childs of that one ) only |
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| 17:54.28 | anyaa | hello |
| 17:54.44 | Eulex | a |
| 17:54.48 | rss | I think this is got to do with the new installer |
| 17:55.02 | Eulex | ...and 900 people echoes back... |
| 17:55.24 | rss | 'coz... I had encountered the problem when I installed Ubuntu Hoary for a friend |
| 17:55.36 | rss | the same problem |
| 17:55.43 | dbeal | Eulex: IE runs in protected mode. This means that when it segfaults, it is allowed to keep running. "after all, this is not "debug" mode right?" |
| 17:56.04 | Eulex | rss: you're on ubuntu? |
| 17:56.06 | rss | hey! has Debian also got a Windows branch? |
| 17:56.09 | rss | nope |
| 17:56.38 | rss | I had encountered the same problem after I had installed Ubuntu for some one else |
| 17:56.46 | jmcaricand | When I start slapd, I get this message "Starting OpenLDAP: (db4.2_recover not found), slapd.". Where is this script ? |
| 17:56.50 | Eulex | valdyn: if he get errors when he has set LANG to, there's something really wrong |
| 17:56.56 | RainbowW | yipeee. mirror finished. |
| 17:57.09 | Eulex | valdyn: LANG to C |
| 17:57.31 | valdyn | Eulex: yea, if.., , I doubt he had though. |
| 17:57.42 | nomad_cz | rss: check /etc/enviroment and change language to c as well. |
| 17:57.42 | rss | so what I say is, when I selected my country as India, it should have set the locale to en_IN |
| 17:57.43 | fwiw39xx | is there a way i can control my debian box from my win xp machine (with full screen GUI, etc)? |
| 17:57.45 | masoft | Currently Debian is available with most of the kernels. Linux, Hurd, FreeBSD... Does it come with Windows kernel later, too ? |
| 17:57.48 | rss | no I DID NOT! |
| 17:58.02 | RainbowW | fwiw39xx: vnc. |
| 17:58.06 | valdyn | rss: did you run dpkg-reconfigure locales now? does it work now? |
| 17:58.11 | Eulex | rss: you didn't... |
| 17:58.16 | rss | to en_IN? |
| 17:58.19 | rss | no |
| 17:58.23 | rss | one second |
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| 17:58.51 | koollman | masoft: I think it's against debian social contract :) |
| 17:58.59 | fwiw39xx | RainbowW - is vnc perfect over a LAN? |
| 17:58.59 | valdyn | rss: i dont care what you set it to, i just want en_IN to be one of the locales generated ( you can pick as many as you want.. ) |
| 17:59.06 | Eulex | rss: try export LANGUAGE="" and export LANG=C... according to your errors posted on #flood, the system can't even set the C standard locale |
| 17:59.45 | rss | oh! poor barnacles |
| 17:59.50 | valdyn | rss: jesus christ, why did you set your LANG to a *SMALL* c ? |
| 18:00.09 | Eulex | rss: it's capital C |
| 18:00.09 | rss | valdyn,:) |
| 18:00.19 | rss | valdyn, How right you can be! |
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| 18:01.30 | nomad_cz | jmcaricand: in utils/db4.2-util ? |
| 18:01.53 | valdyn | rss: btw, your locale is set to a value fitting to the language you pick in the installer. |
| 18:01.57 | rss | valdyn, I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and set the locale to en_IN and I still get errors |
| 18:02.02 | valdyn | rss: ( be default ) |
| 18:02.15 | fwiw39xx | what is the best VNC client for use over a LAN, must prevent client/server hacks |
| 18:02.22 | valdyn | rss: if you LANG is set to 'c' in that shell, sure you get errors. |
| 18:02.29 | rss | valdyn, set en_IN as default? |
| 18:02.33 | Warp4 | fwiw39xx, use the java viewer |
| 18:02.40 | rss | valdyn, that I understood |
| 18:02.41 | valdyn | rss: set whatever you want as default. |
| 18:03.27 | anyaa | someone knows if it's still possible to do a netinstall of woody ? |
| 18:03.40 | valdyn | rss: when you get a new error, paste the error and you new locale.gen |
| 18:03.47 | rss | after exporting LANG=C, I don't get any errors |
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| 18:04.02 | valdyn | rss: C is always supported. |
| 18:04.02 | fwiw39xx | Warp4 - why is the java viewer good? |
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| 18:04.22 | rss | I am trying to set en_IN as default and try apt-get in other console |
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| 18:04.39 | valdyn | rss: make sure its a *new* console |
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| 18:04.53 | Eulex | valdyn: yeah, but his errors indicated that he couldn't even set LANG to C, so I made him try what happened if he did that... |
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| 18:05.09 | xeroig | gnome is not recognizing fonts like helvetica |
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| 18:05.24 | valdyn | Eulex: yep, just that it was a small c, which you pointed me to see ) |
| 18:05.27 | xeroig | i'm running debian testing |
| 18:05.36 | gvandora | Anyone know if NX uses non standard ports? |
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| 18:06.05 | JohnFlux | gvandora: it has 'standard' ports? |
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| 18:06.51 | JohnFlux | how do i install xorg? |
| 18:06.55 | Eulex | valdyn, I saw that |
| 18:06.56 | xeroig | why don't gnome and kde recognize some fonts a lot of time? it always happens, i have to meddle with config file for hours to get it right. |
| 18:06.59 | valdyn | fwiw39xx: ssh -X |
| 18:07.01 | JohnFlux | i know its not in debian, but there must be outside packages? |
| 18:07.06 | xeroig | and these are the fonts that came with the distro |
| 18:07.12 | resiak | !topicsmite JohnFlux |
| 18:07.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon JohnFlux. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:07.14 | Eulex | JohnFlux, why would you want xorg? |
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| 18:07.26 | JohnFlux | Eulex: i want to hack with composite |
| 18:07.38 | JohnFlux | resiak: read it, asked dpkg, and found no info on how to get it |
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| 18:08.21 | valdyn | xeroig: apt-get install x-ttcidfont-conf, *read* the text, if its already installed, dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf. |
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| 18:08.40 | gvandora | JohnFlux: ok... it's supposed to operate over ssh... but it miss behaving I beleive |
| 18:08.46 | xeroig | valdyn: i'll try |
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| 18:09.06 | rss | valdyn and Eulex, I set en_IN as the default locale and tried apt-get install gawk and got no errors! |
| 18:09.14 | rss | so the problem is solved |
| 18:09.16 | valdyn | !win rss |
| 18:09.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, rss! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 18:09.23 | rss | isn't it? |
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| 18:09.42 | resiak | !fgi JohnFlux xorg+debian |
| 18:09.42 | dpkg | JohnFlux: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=xorg+debian |
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| 18:09.47 | valdyn | rss: sure, i suspect you only had errors b/c you 'took away' locales from already open shell(s). |
| 18:09.52 | JohnFlux | haha |
| 18:10.05 | gvandora | exit |
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| 18:11.02 | rss | valdyn, may be because I had not set any default locale? |
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| 18:11.24 | rss | valdyn, but I retiterate that I never selected "en_IN" |
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| 18:11.37 | gpfreitas | echo 'play ~/dm.wav' | at now + 1 minutes does nothing. Can anyone help me? |
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| 18:11.46 | valdyn | rss: nah, b/c you generated a new locales, and unselected a currently used one, so apt-get suddenly had no access to the formerly existing locale. |
| 18:11.49 | MasterChief | I'm new to linux/debian can someone please tell me how to create a directory |
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| 18:11.57 | bbrazil | MasterChief: mkdir |
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| 18:12.02 | MasterChief | thanks |
| 18:12.11 | bbrazil | exact same as dos :) |
| 18:12.13 | rss | valdyn, so now can I change it back to en_US |
| 18:12.30 | Lefraru | #ubuntu-es |
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| 18:12.48 | concept10 | does apt-cache search foo search for foo in repos or on your system? |
| 18:12.51 | valdyn | rss: sure, just keep your en_IN being generated or expect that you will have to close and reopen all shells. |
| 18:12.59 | rss | ok |
| 18:13.08 | bbrazil | gpfreitas: use full paths, lots of them (might be something else) |
| 18:13.11 | jim | hmm, he'll be back... |
| 18:13.27 | gpfreitas | bbrazil: I'll try. |
| 18:13.38 | valdyn | concept10: in the package database on your system, which references all packages, not just the ones installed. |
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| 18:15.15 | concept10 | valdyn, thanks. so basically all packages avail in the repos I use? (after running apt-get update) |
| 18:15.30 | valdyn | concept10: yes |
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| 18:15.51 | gpfreitas | bbrazil: didn't work. |
| 18:16.21 | concept10 | valdyn, thanks |
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| 18:16.45 | mwe | is it normal that syslog isn't rotated by default? |
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| 18:17.24 | valdyn | mwe: probably needs the package 'logrotate', not sure. |
| 18:18.05 | hikenboot | hello...I am getting lots of traffic on my box from port 137-netbios. I run Wine/Crossover/VMware (vmware is currnetly not running anything) could any of these programs be generating the traffic? |
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| 18:18.44 | valdyn | hikenboot: windows does generate this kind of traffic, doesnt have to be your own windows though, could be *any* box near you or in the internet. |
| 18:18.48 | gpfreitas | I need some help." echo 'play /home/guilherme/dm.wav' | at now + 1 minutes " does nothing. |
| 18:18.52 | mwe | valdyn: I have logrotate and other files are rotated. I just wondered why syslog, kern.log and messages aren't rotated. I created a conf file that does now though |
| 18:19.02 | xeroig | valdyn: i did it and i had configured it correctly earlier itself and i restarted xfs and xfree86 and the problem still persists |
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| 18:19.23 | hikenboot | I have no windows boxes and I have a firewall with port 137 blocked |
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| 18:19.34 | Lee__ | can someone recommend a utility to compare the contents of two directories and show differences? |
| 18:19.46 | valdyn | hikenboot: then its likely your vmware windows, hardly wine(x) |
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| 18:20.29 | valdyn | xeroig: no idea then w/o a more specific error. |
| 18:20.33 | puff | is there a security package in apt that includes a password-expiration thing? |
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| 18:20.43 | kasper | how do i add a user to a group if the username is already made? |
| 18:20.53 | valdyn | kasper: man adduser |
| 18:20.59 | hikenboot | no i am not running a windows vm either! |
| 18:21.03 | rss | hikenboot, Devil owns your computer and Bill Gates has sold his soul to Devil |
| 18:21.13 | xeroig | valdyn: it doesn't really give an error or anything. and it's not specific to debian. it happens in every distro i 've tried. but sometimes only |
| 18:21.20 | xeroig | sometimes everything just works |
| 18:21.24 | mwe | Lee__: ls dir1 > file1; ls dir2 > file2; diff file1 file2 would do it |
| 18:21.33 | rss | hikenboot, running samba? |
| 18:21.37 | hikenboot | no |
| 18:21.38 | Lee__ | mwe: true...thanks |
| 18:21.50 | hikenboot | unless its part of the default install in debian workstation |
| 18:21.55 | valdyn | hikenboot: what is the source of that traffic? find it out.. |
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| 18:22.18 | rss | hikenboot, netstat -antp |
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| 18:23.05 | puff | How hard is it to brute-force an /etc/passwd entry, these days? |
| 18:23.19 | valdyn | puff: depends on the password. |
| 18:23.32 | puff | Well, I mean what encryption? |
| 18:23.35 | puff | We have a user who reported their password mysteriously stopped working. |
| 18:23.55 | valdyn | puff: trying all combinations is to hard. |
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| 18:24.07 | puff | Which is probably user-error, but they don't have full access to the account (we're using scponly), so we set their password, and we checked the password we have on record, and it doesn't work. |
| 18:24.08 | Ronin | puff: tell them to press the caps lock key and put thier glasses on |
| 18:24.16 | stew | puff: compare the hash in /etc/shadow to one from a backup |
| 18:24.22 | puff | So now I'm wondering... |
| 18:24.25 | rss | puff, I think you might have set an expiry date for the passwd |
| 18:24.25 | puff | stew: Ah,thanks. |
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| 18:24.33 | puff | rss: Where would I check on that? |
| 18:24.46 | rss | puff, /etc/shadow |
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| 18:25.02 | xeroig | anyone else know why gnome/kde sometimes don't recognize certain fonts even after reading every manual and messing with every config file? |
| 18:25.18 | xeroig | it's something specific, probably with xft, which i don't know |
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| 18:25.54 | xeroig | fonts like helvetica etc |
| 18:26.07 | concept10 | What are 'linux-headers' in /usr/src? |
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| 18:26.41 | koollman | concept10: probably the headers for the kernel |
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| 18:26.47 | resiak | concept10: Are you running Ubuntu? |
| 18:26.59 | valdyn | concept10: that don't exist in debian |
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| 18:27.38 | concept10 | I run debian and ubuntu, Im not sure about how ubuntu does things |
| 18:27.59 | xeroig | anyone? |
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| 18:28.13 | fwiw39xx | xeroig hi |
| 18:28.20 | Draconicus | Where are the archived packages stored? I keep forgetting. ._. |
| 18:28.21 | xeroig | hey fwiw39xx |
| 18:28.29 | fwiw39xx | xeroig: does bitch-x have smart name tabbing |
| 18:28.37 | xeroig | dont know |
| 18:28.40 | fwiw39xx | cuz i had to tab thru everyone's name to get to yours |
| 18:28.44 | fwiw39xx | TWICE |
| 18:28.46 | fwiw39xx | each time |
| 18:28.56 | Draconicus | If you don't know then you've probably lost a hell of a lot of harddrive space, xeroig. |
| 18:28.58 | fwiw39xx | xeroig - 3rd time...tabbed thru everyone's name |
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| 18:29.05 | Draconicus | !thru |
| 18:29.09 | Draconicus | Aww... |
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| 18:29.25 | Draconicus | Hmm... well, more to the point... |
| 18:29.26 | Draconicus | !u |
| 18:29.26 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:29.33 | fwiw39xx | Bitch-x on debian question - does bitch-x have small name tabbing, and does it put a colon and space after the person's name? i'm using mirc right now :( |
| 18:29.57 | xeroig | Draconicus: huh? |
| 18:30.01 | wols_ | fwiw39xx: get irssi-text. never look back |
| 18:30.03 | PeTeRB | Draconicus: Why do you need to know where they are? To clean them? |
| 18:30.04 | diver | hello, could any1 tell me what's the debian method to compil a kernel 2.6 ?? thx |
| 18:30.09 | Triffid_Hunter | fwiw39xx: yeah it does, and has naught to do with debian |
| 18:30.15 | wols_ | and yes, irssi has that kind of tab completion |
| 18:30.23 | hikenboot | wierd but netstat -antp shows no port 137 traffic but iptraf shows a lot |
| 18:30.25 | resiak | !tell diver -about d-r |
| 18:30.25 | jim | Damnit Draconicus! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:30.38 | Triffid_Hunter | fwiw39xx: you may want irsii or xchat though, both support cli (i think the debian package for cli xchat is xchat-text) |
| 18:30.56 | Draconicus | ....o.O |
| 18:31.00 | wols_ | Triffid_Hunter: no one should have to use xchat-text |
| 18:31.03 | Draconicus | PeTeRB: Yeah. My harddrive is full... again... somehow. |
| 18:31.12 | PeTeRB | Draconicus: apt-get clean |
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| 18:31.18 | xeroig | fwiw39xx: bitchx probably has an irc channel, ask there |
| 18:31.20 | Draconicus | Hopefully this is the cause... oh. Neat. I wish I knew about that before... |
| 18:31.34 | jim | Draconicus: annoying, isn't it? :) |
| 18:31.52 | dark_side | hi all |
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| 18:31.57 | Eulex | Draconicus, try apt-get clean |
| 18:32.00 | Draconicus | jim: Hell yes. Why isn't there away to auto-clean them? |
| 18:32.22 | slushpupie | look at the cron-apt package |
| 18:32.26 | Draconicus | Eulex: Slow typer? :P |
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| 18:32.29 | jim | of course, it would be more so if your client indicated someone was talking to you on #debian only to find it's the bot after soemwone said !u |
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| 18:32.39 | jim | that would be my situation... |
| 18:32.39 | slushpupie | it can clean daily, download new pacakges, even install them |
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| 18:32.52 | incorrect | does anyone know of a way to repair an ntfs partition from linux? |
| 18:32.59 | Eulex | Draconicus, nope, doing lots of stuff at the same time |
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| 18:33.08 | wols_ | Draconicus: there is no way |
| 18:33.09 | fwiw39xx | hello - which flavor of VNC would be appropriate for accessing a debian box from a winxp machine? |
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| 18:33.21 | jim | incorrect: linux can hardly even write to it correctly |
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| 18:33.41 | shizz | I need some help..on loading my window manager it hangs while trying to load gdesklets - does anyone know how I could attempt to fix this? |
| 18:33.41 | wols_ | fwiw39xx: tightvnc will work |
| 18:33.42 | os2finn | hi all |
| 18:33.44 | Draconicus | wols_: You apparently don't read other lines. |
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| 18:33.58 | arnon | what does it mean when fsck return bus error ? |
| 18:33.58 | fwiw39xx | :) |
| 18:33.59 | jim | infact, it's possible that linux's writing to ntfs -causes- the partition to be corrumpted |
| 18:34.16 | os2finn | Is there a way to get Ati Radeon Tv-out working with debian? |
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| 18:34.43 | wols_ | os2finn: only if gatos on sourceforge has a driver for your card |
| 18:34.44 | incorrect | jim, if only, what caused it was some muppet resized the partition |
| 18:34.45 | Eulex | jim: I heard something about that writing to ntfs is stable in 2.6.11... is that true? |
| 18:34.48 | resiak | shizz: Disable gdesklets? |
| 18:34.49 | Draconicus | arnon: There was an error while reading the bus for the device specified? |
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| 18:34.55 | dark_side | os2finn : hmm , are you using the official ATi drivers ? |
| 18:35.04 | jim | arnon: that your motherboard and memory could be having problems? check with memtest86 |
| 18:35.12 | os2finn | the ones that came with kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 18:35.20 | afabian | Prelinking seems to make things a lot faster. Would it be feasible for the i386 stable debs to all have prelinked binaries, seeing as it's a pretty stable configuration? |
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| 18:35.31 | goron | Where's the Contact Editor in Evolution? I can create new contacs, but I want to edit one. Every internet source assumes you should be able to find the Contact Editor, but I can't. |
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| 18:35.52 | jim | Eulex: the problem is that any ntfs access from linux is a reverse engineering of an unknown |
| 18:35.57 | resiak | goron: Double-click one? |
| 18:36.04 | Draconicus | I have one problem with cron-apt... this will also update timidity, which for some reason causes all of the instrument files to revert to the default set. This is rather inconvenient. |
| 18:36.13 | Draconicus | ...Meh. :P |
| 18:36.18 | shizz | resiak, how do I disable them now? they're not appearing for me to remove them |
| 18:36.19 | jim | unless the specs are actually out |
| 18:36.22 | wols_ | Draconicus: you can hold back packages |
| 18:36.25 | slushpupie | Draconicus: it dosnt need to actully install anything |
| 18:36.30 | Eulex | afabian, afaik that would cause much more memory and hd space/cd space to be used |
| 18:36.33 | dark_side | os2finn : use the official drivers , try www.ati.com it should work |
| 18:36.34 | slushpupie | the default config does a download-only |
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| 18:36.39 | Draconicus | Ah. |
| 18:36.40 | Draconicus | Good. |
| 18:36.50 | os2finn | ok Ill try |
| 18:36.51 | charzero | bash question: can I not put ${VAR} in `command` ? |
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| 18:36.55 | arnon | jim, how do I've just installed memtest86, how do I run it? |
| 18:36.57 | os2finn | thanks BTW |
| 18:37.01 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 18:37.24 | jim | arnon: you would boot it exactly as if it were a kernel image |
| 18:37.29 | dark_side | ahhhhhhhhh hellll |
| 18:37.34 | Eulex | arnon: add it to your /boot/grub/menu.lst (if you're using grub) |
| 18:37.35 | arnon | jim, I see |
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| 18:37.44 | amorphix | Windows has gone from my system!! |
| 18:37.48 | resiak | shizz: Am I meant to guess your wm? |
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| 18:37.58 | amorphix | :) |
| 18:38.09 | D4m4ge | hi |
| 18:38.12 | jim | charzero: probably. but you can definitely do it with the $( ... ) syntax for command substitution |
| 18:38.13 | os2finn | amorphix: great :) |
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| 18:38.26 | D4m4ge | wow so many people talking about debian release |
| 18:38.26 | shizz | resiak, sorry im kind of bouncing back and fouth -- im using gnome |
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| 18:38.35 | amorphix | i finally got my wacom pad working, theres no lookin back now |
| 18:38.39 | _raw | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.43 | BK | keeping in mind i was on windows for about 8 years (untill this Sunday) |
| 18:38.45 | amorphix | im gonna try to setup my usb camera next |
| 18:38.50 | jim | D4m4ge: where? |
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| 18:38.52 | amorphix | woah |
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| 18:38.53 | goron | resiak: You mean an e-mail address? That gives me an interface to send a new e-mail to that person. |
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| 18:39.16 | cusco | hi |
| 18:39.17 | resiak | shizz: Remove it from your session? |
| 18:39.25 | cusco | whats the non.official debian mirros please |
| 18:39.31 | cusco | !unofficial |
| 18:39.31 | dpkg | unofficial is, like, lilo |
| 18:39.31 | Eulex | _raw: is that debian? and if so, why do you need that? |
| 18:39.40 | resiak | goron: Go into the Contacts pane. |
| 18:39.40 | shizz | resiak, how do I go about that? apt-get remove gdesklets? |
| 18:39.43 | cusco | !debian non-free |
| 18:39.48 | cusco | !mirrors |
| 18:39.49 | dpkg | methinks mirrors is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 18:39.52 | goron | resiak: I overlooked that one... |
| 18:40.01 | jim | cusco: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:40.05 | Eulex | cusco: please ask dpkg *privately* |
| 18:40.05 | _raw | I need to flash the filesystem on an embedd system from a USB stick. |
| 18:40.10 | cusco | sory |
| 18:40.15 | goron | resiak: Thanks, that's all I needed to know. |
| 18:40.22 | resiak | shizz: No, that uninstalls it. You want to stop it from starting |
| 18:40.24 | cusco | Ill remind that Eulex |
| 18:40.26 | cusco | thanks jim |
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| 18:40.34 | isai | ih |
| 18:40.35 | isai | hi |
| 18:40.42 | shizz | resiak, yes that I do...okay do you know how? |
| 18:40.44 | resiak | shizz: I don't use Gnome, though: sorry |
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| 18:40.55 | shizz | resiak, ... |
| 18:40.58 | jim | ih <iasi> |
| 18:41.09 | shizz | ill try google |
| 18:41.16 | resiak | goron: Heh. |
| 18:41.27 | isai | I installed in english, but need to change to spanish in both console and gnome. Is there an environment variable I have to set to change to spanish? |
| 18:41.43 | Eulex | isai: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 18:41.47 | resiak | shizz: See if moving ~/.gdesklets helps? |
| 18:41.58 | jim | isai: you have to generate the locale you want to use for spanish |
| 18:42.12 | shizz | resiak, will that halt the system if it cant find it? |
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| 18:42.16 | jim | then arrange for gnome to use that locale |
| 18:42.21 | _raw | Eulex: it is not debian. But, the idea is generic |
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| 18:42.50 | resiak | shizz: No. It'll be as if you'd never used gdesklets before. |
| 18:43.27 | amorphix | whats this about Sarge being released? where does that leave us who installed it before the release? |
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| 18:43.43 | jim | amorphix: just upgrade :P |
| 18:43.48 | amorphix | okay :D |
| 18:43.51 | Spec | crazy talk! sarge has been released?! o.O |
| 18:44.00 | amorphix | if i upgrade what will i be running then? |
| 18:44.02 | jim | yes, it has. |
| 18:44.02 | Eulex | O.O? |
| 18:44.27 | jim | spec: earlier this month, sarge was released. |
| 18:44.33 | shizz | resiak, im going to restart x |
| 18:44.45 | Spec | jim: i know :p |
| 18:45.03 | jim | amorphix: an operating system on your computer? |
| 18:45.17 | Eulex | _raw: flashing your device is probably specific to your device |
| 18:45.25 | Eulex | jim: hehe |
| 18:45.28 | jim | amorphix: when did you last upgrade? |
| 18:45.29 | Eulex | amorphix: sarge |
| 18:46.05 | Eulex | amorphix: or, rather, it depends on your sources.list |
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| 18:46.22 | jim | or, if you never upgraded, when did you first install sarge? |
| 18:46.22 | shizz | resiak, it still appears to be trying to load gdesklets and it hangs |
| 18:46.23 | _raw | Eulex: yea...vendor gave us some tools to flash. |
| 18:46.26 | resiak | shizz: .. |
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| 18:46.33 | resiak | shizz: Hang on |
| 18:46.40 | shizz | resiak, sure thing |
| 18:46.50 | resiak | shizz: You're in Gnome right now? |
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| 18:46.57 | shizz | resiak, yep |
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| 18:47.22 | shizz | resiak, i have the debian splash screen hanging in front of me -- always on top |
| 18:47.33 | shizz | still trying to load gdesklets |
| 18:47.41 | isai | okay, I did dpkg-reconfigure. How do I activate the new language? |
| 18:47.50 | jim | _raw: hmm... maybe, I would guess, you could try those vendor tools? |
| 18:47.54 | fwiw39xx | shizz: i heard debian likes to be on top |
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| 18:47.59 | resiak | shizz: In the preferences, find the session manager stuff. |
| 18:48.05 | Eulex | _raw: you flash an entire rootfs into the device? then extract that rootfs and modify it on another computer, then flash the device with it... sorry if this won't help, I have no idea how that flashing tool would work |
| 18:48.26 | Eulex | shizz: "debian splash screen"? |
| 18:48.39 | resiak | Eulex: In Gnome |
| 18:48.41 | shizz | the loading screen |
| 18:48.46 | Eulex | oh |
| 18:48.50 | Eulex | never used gnome :P |
| 18:49.32 | resiak | shizz: Remove it from there |
| 18:50.19 | all2slow | anyone got debian running on inexpensive desktops like the Dell 2400 or the HP Pavillion |
| 18:50.22 | resiak | !lart slowness caused by learning Dvorak |
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| 18:51.01 | Eulex | !tell all2slow about poll |
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| 18:51.15 | JohnFlux | When I try to run X as non-root, it says the user is not authorized |
| 18:51.43 | Eulex | JohnFlux, that means that the user hasn't got access to something X needs, like /tmp |
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| 18:52.22 | _raw | Eulex: Yeah...once flashed. you can make modifications elsewhere to the filesystem and then flash the device with it....but right now we are only flashing from the loader which the vendor gave us. So, flashing is happeing before the system is up completely. I want to do it even when it is up completely |
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| 18:52.33 | martinja | hi |
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| 18:52.39 | martinja | when I do |
| 18:52.40 | martinja | setserial /dev/tts/0 port 0x338 autoconfig |
| 18:52.53 | martinja | I get setserial: command not found |
| 18:52.56 | martinja | whats wrong? |
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| 18:53.36 | Eulex | _raw: well, can't the flashing app flash when the system is started? |
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| 18:53.47 | Eulex | martinja: you haven't got that thing installed? |
| 18:54.14 | all2slow | Does debian 3.1 run on the Dell 2400 |
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| 18:54.29 | arnon_ | If I'm having things like end_request: i/o error, dev 03:06 (hda), sector 790846, hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } stuffs like that, is that mean my hardisk failed ? |
| 18:54.33 | xeroig | fontconfig is not recognizing certain fonts like helvetica - i think all bitmap fonts. what should i do? |
| 18:54.34 | Eulex | all2slow, debian runs on almost everything |
| 18:54.36 | martinja | the hardware or software? |
| 18:54.39 | pipeline | all2slow: Probably. |
| 18:54.47 | stew | arnon_: yeah, time to buy a new disk, that one is toast |
| 18:54.49 | xeroig | apps based on fontconfig |
| 18:54.52 | xeroig | like kde and gnome |
| 18:54.54 | pipeline | arnon_: It's equally likely that the cable is bad. |
| 18:55.09 | xeroig | fc-list doesn't show helvetica and others |
| 18:55.11 | stew | arnon_: ahh yeah pipeline has a good point |
| 18:55.16 | martinja | ah its not installed |
| 18:55.18 | martinja | brb |
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| 18:55.28 | pipeline | arnon_: IDE ribbon cables have a way of working themselves loose from the connector |
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| 18:55.34 | pipeline | arnon_: Also, "round" cables are bad. |
| 18:55.35 | concept10 | should I include SMP while compiling a kernel for a Hyper-threading processor? |
| 18:55.46 | arnon_ | pipeline, what is "round" cables ? |
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| 18:55.47 | pipeline | concept10: If you want. "Hyperthreading" doesn't really have any performance benefit in any case. |
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| 18:55.59 | pipeline | arnon_: http://www.google.com/search?q=round+cables |
| 18:56.06 | concept10 | pipeline, thanks |
| 18:56.16 | Eulex | pipeline: I get a similar problem in my laptop, should I open it up and check the connection? |
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| 18:56.30 | petemc | pipeline: dont you think theres more can go wrong with a disk than a cable? my experience of that error to date has been 100% disk |
| 18:56.32 | pipeline | Eulex: Can't hurt, right? |
| 18:56.49 | Eulex | pipeline: ok |
| 18:56.50 | pipeline | petemc: Sure, but the cabling is the most common problem. Modern hard drives are more reliable up and running than sitting on the shelf :P |
| 18:57.00 | _raw | Eulex: the tool can flash but I am afraid it would leave the system in some unstable state since the rootfs is already mounted and you want to rewrite it. If there is a safe way to unmount the rootfs usins pivot_root or smth and then do the flash it would be great |
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| 18:57.19 | pipeline | Eulex: In a laptop, though, I wouldn't hope for the best. |
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| 18:57.23 | ik-Sparc | hi |
| 18:57.43 | ik-Sparc | to install firefox is apt-get install firefox? |
| 18:57.47 | Eulex | concept10, windows has bad multitasking, so it get benefits by hyperthreading; linux has good multitasking, and there won't be any big advantage using it |
| 18:57.52 | Eulex | ik-Sparc, yes |
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| 18:57.56 | hikenboot | question: How do I tell which service is generating traffic on a port? |
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| 18:58.06 | concept10 | Question - if you compile something for example intel Pentium 4 clock modulation into the kernel will you be able to disable it later or should I leave it as a module???? |
| 18:58.11 | ik-Sparc | E: Couldn't find package firefox |
| 18:58.11 | xeroig | any ideas how to configure fontconfig to recognize some fonts? |
| 18:58.12 | petemc | ik-Sparc: mozilla-firefox , apt-cache search |
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| 18:58.21 | ik-Sparc | oh ok )( |
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| 18:58.23 | strubbel | hikenboot: netstat, tcpdump |
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| 18:58.26 | Spec | www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 18:58.26 | pipeline | xeroig: The easy way is to just dump them into ~/.fonts |
| 18:58.29 | DukGalNamu | hello |
| 18:58.42 | concept10 | 2 |
| 18:59.00 | hikenboot | tcpdump shows no port 137 traffic ...checking netstat |
| 18:59.28 | xeroig | pipeline: well, the fonts i'm talking about are the ones that came with the distro, like helvetica. i wouldn't want to do it for every user. |
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| 18:59.36 | fwiw39xx | hello - how do i apt-get install tightvnc ("tightvnc" "vnc-tight" "tight-vnc" are not recognized)...is there a search engine i can use to search for packages? |
| 18:59.52 | Eulex | fwiw39xx, apt-cache search |
| 18:59.53 | ik-Sparc | petemc thanks )( |
| 19:00.06 | ik-Sparc | :) |
| 19:00.07 | DukGalNamu | i need a deamon that can automatically read when files in a directory have been added, then check the files for a match case within the first line and assign a .qxt suffix if successful |
| 19:00.15 | xeroig | which is strange because it should recognize them |
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| 19:00.20 | DukGalNamu | anyone know of one? |
| 19:00.22 | resiak | !deamon |
| 19:00.27 | fwiw39xx | Eulex you rule! :) |
| 19:00.32 | TNKS | hi all. I was wondering, does anybody find SYN cookies all that useful for the average user? |
| 19:00.35 | Eulex | fwiw39xx, hehe, thanks |
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| 19:00.55 | Eulex | DukGalNamu, write a script? |
| 19:00.58 | TNKS | Has anybody ever suffered from a DoS attack? |
| 19:01.01 | resiak | DukGalNamu: It's about 10 lines of Perl, I'd guess |
| 19:01.02 | xeroig | pipeline: basically i want the fonts to show up in fc-list |
| 19:01.09 | jmark | anyone know of a place I can get a copy of a "stock" sources.list for potato |
| 19:01.14 | Eulex | !tell TNKS about poll |
| 19:01.16 | fwiw39xx | TNKS - i used to use DOS on my old 8088 |
| 19:01.22 | DukGalNamu | Eulex: ok how do i wright a script? |
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| 19:01.37 | fwiw39xx | TNKS - have you been hit by a DoS? |
| 19:01.38 | Eulex | DukGalNamu, learn shell, perl or something else |
| 19:01.40 | pipeline | fwiw39xx: shame, shame. MINIX will run on that with some coaxing. |
| 19:01.40 | fwiw39xx | or DDoS? |
| 19:01.51 | DukGalNamu | Eulex: i only know shell and c++ |
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| 19:02.06 | Eulex | I've been hit by DOS several times... it's very good at messing up your computer :D |
| 19:02.11 | DukGalNamu | but can a shell script run as a deamon? |
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| 19:02.38 | DukGalNamu | Eulex: DOS has assaulted you??? |
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| 19:02.43 | Eulex | DukGalNamu, well, sure... make it pause for a few seconds, then search again... pause, search etc |
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| 19:02.48 | fwiw39xx | pipeline - really!?!? how much doy ou think a 3.4MHz 8088 would sell? it has a turbo switch to 7.13 MHz |
| 19:03.09 | granden | Hi |
| 19:03.12 | _raw | Eulex: any idea on how to use pivot_root to switch rootfs? |
| 19:03.13 | Eulex | DukGalNamu, haha, MSDOS is very unstable |
| 19:03.17 | DukGalNamu | Eulex: thats not a deamon... |
| 19:03.21 | Eulex | _raw: nope |
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| 19:03.25 | djp | hi. does anyone know if there is a workaround for the bug#269451 (hotplug: pciehp / shpchp can't be loaded)? |
| 19:03.34 | K-sPecial | hey guys, if I had my default release as testing, and now that 3.1 is released, as stable, is it necesssary to do a dist-upgrade, or just an upgrade? |
| 19:03.38 | Eulex | DukGalNamu, close enough... and it does what you want |
| 19:03.39 | DukGalNamu | Eulex: you are kidding me, they have had HOW many years to work on it? |
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| 19:03.47 | DukGalNamu | true |
| 19:03.56 | petemc | K-sPecial: change it to sarge first, unless you want to keep on tracking testing |
| 19:04.03 | DukGalNamu | not sure exactly how the scripting would work though |
| 19:04.08 | K-sPecial | petemc: that's what I just said I did, changed it to stable |
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| 19:04.18 | amorphix | im lost :-/ |
| 19:04.25 | petemc | K-sPecial: where exactly did you say that? |
| 19:04.31 | shingouz | amorphix: no, you are on #debian |
| 19:04.35 | K-sPecial | hey guys, if I had my default release as testing, and now that 3.1 is released, as stable, is it necesssary to do a dist-upgrade, or just an upgrade? |
| 19:04.38 | Eulex | amorphix, go find a map :) |
| 19:04.38 | pipeline | fwiw39xx: Minix requires ridiculous amounts of memory, and it requires either a 720k or two 360k floppies to install, but it WILL run on an 8088. |
| 19:04.52 | simonrvn | i hate it when they run that fucking circular saw and make the power go out... |
| 19:04.52 | K-sPecial | my default release is now 3.1 (stable) (sarge) |
| 19:04.53 | DukGalNamu | Eulex: where should i go for some addvanced bash scripting |
| 19:04.55 | DukGalNamu | ? |
| 19:04.55 | shingouz | K-sPecial: you will still sit on testing |
| 19:04.58 | fwiw39xx | pipe - well, my 8088 has 512KB RAM |
| 19:05.04 | Eulex | DukGalNamu, #bash? |
| 19:05.12 | shingouz | K-sPecial: have you done somethign to the sources.list? |
| 19:05.13 | DukGalNamu | Eulex: :P |
| 19:05.14 | simonrvn | luckily the main box is on another circuit |
| 19:05.16 | K-sPecial | shingouz: i'm updating out of stable now, |
| 19:05.17 | pipeline | fwiw39xx: Minix was written with educational institutions in mind; not everyone had labs full of 386-class systems. |
| 19:05.18 | DukGalNamu | k |
| 19:05.27 | DukGalNamu | thanks i will try them now |
| 19:05.30 | K-sPecial | shingouz: in /etc/apt.conf you can specify if your upgrades come out of testing/stable/unstable |
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| 19:05.38 | K-sPecial | shingouz: i had it on testing, and i had testing apt sources |
| 19:05.39 | petemc | K-sPecial: im not sure if you missed my point, and i cba explaining it to you... |
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| 19:05.43 | K-sPecial | shingouz: now I have it on stable, with stable sources |
| 19:05.44 | amorphix | hi |
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| 19:05.50 | shingouz | K-sPecial: if your sources.list did read testing you should stick with it, the downgrading from testing to stable is not supported |
| 19:06.04 | amorphix | how to free up space? |
| 19:06.13 | K-sPecial | shingouz: yes but testing was 3.1 now 3.1 is stable |
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| 19:06.19 | fwiw39xx | is anybody else in an office right by a busy intersection? the traffic driving me up the wall!!! i can't use my debian properly |
| 19:06.19 | K-sPecial | shingouz: and I wanta stick with 3.1 |
| 19:06.26 | Eulex | amorphix, delete files? remove packages? run apt-get clean? |
| 19:06.32 | shingouz | K-sPecial: now testing is etch and has progressed a bit from sarge already |
| 19:06.36 | amorphix | thanks Eulex |
| 19:06.40 | jmark | anyone know where I can get a sources.list file that would be installed by default when I install potato? |
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| 19:06.48 | K-sPecial | shingouz: nod and I wanta stick with 3.1 (stable) |
| 19:06.51 | jmark | without reinstalling |
| 19:06.59 | Eulex | jmark: umh, why use potato? |
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| 19:07.08 | jmark | using knoppix |
| 19:07.16 | jmark | it does all it want it to do |
| 19:07.19 | djp | can anybody tell me why i receive the message "usb 1-2.6: control timeout ep0in", which repeats itself about four times while booting? |
| 19:07.22 | amorphix | wow now i have 100mb fee |
| 19:07.26 | amorphix | *free |
| 19:07.26 | shingouz | K-sPecial: as i said, downgrading is nto supported so if you happen to break the system you may have a big headache. stick on etch |
| 19:07.49 | amorphix | how to get more space now from /home into / ? repartitioning is the ticket? |
| 19:07.51 | K-sPecial | shingouz: how am I downgrading if i'm staying at 3.1, testing was 3.1 now stable is 3.1 i don't see how i'm downgrading |
| 19:08.03 | Eulex | amorphix, gnu parted? |
| 19:08.08 | K-sPecial | shingouz: wouldn't downgrading be going from 3.1 to 3.0 ? |
| 19:08.18 | amorphix | Eulex: parted is the program to use? |
| 19:08.26 | Spec | or fdisk |
| 19:08.27 | Eulex | amorphix, yes, afaik |
| 19:08.32 | amorphix | thanks |
| 19:08.33 | Spec | or gparted |
| 19:08.35 | shingouz | K-sPecial: have you done any updates since june 6 this year? |
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| 19:08.43 | amorphix | whats the chances of me hosing my system at this stage? |
| 19:08.48 | martinja | I am following the guide at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=500 however it crashes my pc |
| 19:08.54 | jason__ | what's the command to refresh the db of known binaries. i changed the location of a binary and it's looking in the old location |
| 19:09.08 | Eulex | amorphix, big... always backup before messing with partitions |
| 19:09.11 | martinja | it crashes when I do insmod lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/ndiswrapper.ko |
| 19:09.15 | K-sPecial | shingouz: i'm not quite sure, I don't think so |
| 19:09.16 | amorphix | :-( |
| 19:09.27 | shingouz | jmark: you will have problems trying to find repositories with potato stuff on them, just move to woody and then to sarge, you will be a lot happier |
| 19:10.00 | Eulex | jason__, what db? change your PATH? symlink it into a path that's in your PATH |
| 19:10.06 | shingouz | K-sPecial: in that case you *may* be able to pull it off, point your sources.list to sarge and apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. you may bork your system though |
| 19:10.20 | jmark | shingouz: I have a very slow connection, I guess I need to order a cd then |
| 19:10.26 | jason__ | Eulex, oh, ok- |
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| 19:10.40 | shingouz | jmark: hmm... that is not a good thing then. define slow btw? |
| 19:10.43 | K-sPecial | shingouz: so no apt dist-upgrade, I didn't figure so.. I mean i'm not upgrading to a different dist |
| 19:10.52 | jmark | 52k |
| 19:10.53 | shingouz | no dist-upgrade |
| 19:10.57 | cusco | hi... im strugling a bit with the backport repos... what are the lines that I should add to the sources.list file? |
| 19:11.01 | shingouz | jmark: that is slow |
| 19:11.02 | Eulex | jmark, ouch |
| 19:11.03 | K-sPecial | shingouz: k, thanks |
| 19:11.08 | jason__ | Eulex, how do you change the path permenantly? there are several binaries in /sbin and that i would like to use as a user w/o specifying the full path like ifconfig |
| 19:11.12 | cusco | I've got deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable package ... |
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| 19:11.24 | jmark | I live in a remote area where broadband is only a dream |
| 19:11.24 | cusco | and I should change 'package' for what?! |
| 19:11.42 | shingouz | jmark: sat connection? |
| 19:11.42 | Eulex | jason__, ~/.profile etc? |
| 19:12.02 | kaiowa | anyone knows any app to build maps of building in 3d?? |
| 19:12.02 | Eulex | jason__, it's much safer to symlink into your /bin directory |
| 19:12.07 | jmark | shingouz: yeah I looked into that too, but it's a little pricy |
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| 19:12.29 | shingouz | jmark: a bit but i hear direcpc is acceptable, works with linux too |
| 19:12.30 | Eulex | jason__, and it's even much safer to not symlink and keep being root when using whatever command you're using |
| 19:12.44 | cusco | or if that was for an older release.. what unofficial repositories should I use in sarge? |
| 19:12.50 | jmark | cool |
| 19:13.03 | Eulex | cusco: whichever you want |
| 19:13.33 | jason__ | Eulex, why would one want to be root to use ifconfig? |
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| 19:13.49 | shingouz | jmark: a friend of mine runs his debian on direcpc, has been doing it for about six months now and is pretty happy with it. i havent asked how much per month though, the pricing should be on the website |
| 19:14.11 | Eulex | jason__, if you're on a desktop, then you don't need to worry about it, but it could be disastrous on a server where people log on... |
| 19:14.32 | jmark | yeah, it's more than dsl or cable |
| 19:14.32 | amorphix | how do i umount my home partition when it says its busy |
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| 19:14.50 | resiak | amorphix: man lsof |
| 19:14.52 | shingouz | amorphix: lsof |
| 19:14.56 | amorphix | thanks |
| 19:15.09 | shingouz | jmark: a bit but not a huge amount is what i hear |
| 19:15.27 | jmark | shingouz: yeah but i'm cheap :) |
| 19:15.36 | djp | can anybody tell me why i receive the message "usb 1-2.6: control timeout ep0in", which repeats itself about four times while booting? |
| 19:15.41 | shingouz | not as bad as i am, jmark ;) |
| 19:15.46 | BK | how do i stop ssh from running at startup ? |
| 19:15.57 | Eulex | djp, when and with what hardware? |
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| 19:16.01 | resiak | BK: man update-rc.d |
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| 19:16.02 | wols_ | ssh or sshd? |
| 19:16.14 | jmark | linux attracts all the poor people, it's free after all |
| 19:16.16 | MadSheep | open ssh 4 is vuln |
| 19:16.16 | scar_ | anyone able why I get bad performance through samba regarding bandwidth? they guys at #samba just dont answer ..... |
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| 19:16.27 | goron | Are file-writes *atomic* actions? |
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| 19:16.55 | Eulex | jmark, linux for the people :) |
| 19:16.59 | amphi | goron: in reiser4 I believe they are |
| 19:17.02 | jmark | yep |
| 19:17.20 | BK | wols_ sshd |
| 19:17.21 | goron | amphi: Hmm, I don't even know the FS. But in general they are not? |
| 19:17.42 | Eulex | goron: what does /etc/fstab say about the root fs? |
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| 19:18.41 | djp | Eulex: while booting, i beleive around time of usb devices loading (i think). i have a usb 4-port hub with a camera cradle and a bluetooth dongle connected. everything is working fine though? |
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| 19:19.07 | goron | Eulex: |
| 19:19.12 | goron | Eulex: It's nfs |
| 19:19.40 | amphi | goron: I believe not - see namesys.com for grisly detail about reiserfs |
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| 19:20.24 | Eulex | djp, try taking out all usb devices and rebooting... if you don't get that error anymore, try adding them one by one to see which one is causing it... you may have to get a better driver |
| 19:20.29 | goron | amphi: I don't need details on reiserfs. But thanks. |
| 19:20.42 | goron | Are file-writes on nfs atomic? |
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| 19:21.08 | djp | Eulex: thanks. could it be my usb mouse, i forgot about that? |
| 19:21.23 | Eulex | djp, maybe |
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| 19:21.42 | Eulex | djp, you could try googling your error |
| 19:21.51 | JohnFlux | hey could someone with xorg confirm that /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg in debian should be suid? |
| 19:21.56 | JohnFlux | at the moment it isn't |
| 19:22.07 | djp | Eulex: have done, trawling through at the mo! ;) |
| 19:22.10 | JohnFlux | which i've been told is my problem |
| 19:22.41 | Eulex | JohnFlux, xorg is not debian |
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| 19:22.46 | aegir | xorg is in testing now ? |
| 19:22.49 | vezult | how does one convert windows XP textfiles to utf8 under unix? recode doesnt seem to do it for me |
| 19:22.55 | Eulex | aegir, no |
| 19:23.03 | JohnFlux | i got it from another debian repos ;) |
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| 19:23.28 | Eulex | JohnFlux, it's still not official debian, so it's got nothing to do with debian... |
| 19:23.31 | JohnFlux | vezult: how does windows encode them if not utf8 ? |
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| 19:23.43 | Eulex | JohnFlux, ansi? |
| 19:23.45 | vezult | JohnFlux: utf-16 |
| 19:23.45 | amorphix | if your system is booting straight into gdm/kde, how do you make it not do that and give you the console? |
| 19:23.54 | resiak | !nodm |
| 19:23.54 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 19:23.58 | martinja | what do I have to add to my sources.list for apt-get to be able to install stuff like ipw2100-source |
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| 19:24.05 | locsmif | !help |
| 19:24.17 | resiak | !non-free |
| 19:24.17 | dpkg | from memory, non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
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| 19:24.51 | Eulex | resiak, please, you're flooding my xchat, can't you just use !tell |
| 19:24.51 | martinja | cute |
| 19:24.54 | Eulex | ? |
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| 19:25.39 | TyggerBob | Ok.. I've always been a gnome guy, but I want to try kde |
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| 19:25.43 | Eulex | amorphix, you could try removing the symlink to your dm in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 19:25.44 | Seb | why is date '+%c%y%m%dT%H%M%S' returning "Thu Jun 16 12:25:22 2005050616T122522" ? I only want the last token... |
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| 19:25.48 | TyggerBob | how do I change my default display manager/window manager. |
| 19:25.49 | malex | what is the "default" automake in Debian? |
| 19:25.52 | resiak | Eulex: Sorry |
| 19:25.55 | squid__ | hi room |
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| 19:26.08 | streuner | !room |
| 19:26.08 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 19:26.12 | amorphix | this is driving me mad |
| 19:26.29 | Eulex | malex: apt-cache show automake? |
| 19:26.40 | malex | Eulex: blank ;) |
| 19:26.41 | amorphix | all i want to do is umount my root partition, but i cant because it always says its busy! gdm and kde is running |
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| 19:26.48 | resiak | ... |
| 19:27.00 | resiak | amorphix: Unmount / ? |
| 19:27.11 | amorphix | resiask: says its busy |
| 19:27.21 | amorphix | is umount not unmount |
| 19:27.26 | Eulex | amorphix, you can't unmount your root partition afaik, it's constantly in use |
| 19:27.29 | aegir | you cant do that |
| 19:27.33 | resiak | amorphix: Of course / is busy |
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| 19:27.49 | amorphix | so how do you resize the partition which the / fs is on? |
| 19:27.56 | amorphix | u have to umount it first eh |
| 19:27.57 | resiak | amorphix: A livecd! |
| 19:28.05 | amorphix | resiak: wtf? |
| 19:28.09 | aegir | boot on a cd or a floppy or... |
| 19:28.17 | resiak | amorphix: omg!!!!!!1111111 |
| 19:28.22 | amorphix | phew |
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| 19:28.25 | davut | hi |
| 19:28.28 | amorphix | u guys are killin me |
| 19:28.34 | davut | I have a problem with keyboard |
| 19:28.36 | amphi | amorphix: likewise |
| 19:28.56 | amorphix | im screwed |
| 19:29.00 | davut | with the root account when I start X keyboard doesnt work |
| 19:29.01 | Eulex | amorphix: use something like knoppix |
| 19:29.04 | maneh | Hello there! I am having a little problem with languages in interfaces, someone can help me? |
| 19:29.05 | amorphix | ok |
| 19:29.13 | shingouz | amorphix: unless you have LVM installed there you cannot resize a partition at all. sorry, man |
| 19:29.16 | amorphix | i just hope i dont get hosed |
| 19:29.19 | resiak | !tell maneh -about ask |
| 19:29.20 | amorphix | took ages to set this up |
| 19:29.34 | amorphix | shingouz: says who? |
| 19:30.24 | amphi | amorphix: sysresccd.org iso is very useful for such things IMHO |
| 19:30.24 | martinja | brb |
| 19:30.28 | martinja | going to reboot |
| 19:30.32 | shingouz | amorphix: sure you can resize it with some application but you need to have the filesystem totally unmounted. pain in the ass in anycase |
| 19:30.44 | amorphix | :-( |
| 19:31.04 | amorphix | i made a bad decision when i setup my sys |
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| 19:31.08 | amorphix | and now im payin for it |
| 19:31.26 | amorphix | maybe i should wait until i get a bigger drive |
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| 19:31.32 | maneh | My language works just with bash. If I try to run from a link it doewsnt work. |
| 19:31.49 | Eulex | maneh: "link"? |
| 19:32.01 | maneh | Yes. |
| 19:32.08 | Eulex | !tell maneh about ask |
| 19:32.12 | Eulex | be more specific |
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| 19:32.39 | maneh | If a make a ln , or with the right button ... |
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| 19:32.44 | amorphix | my hdd is 6GB, root partition = 1.6GB (92mb free) home partition = 3.7GB (3.4GB free) |
| 19:32.49 | amorphix | and there lies my problem |
| 19:33.11 | amorphix | ive outgrown my root partition |
| 19:33.21 | Eulex | amorphix, my hd is also 6gb... and I have one single big linux partition, which is a better choice imho in this case |
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| 19:33.27 | amorphix | yes |
| 19:33.29 | nvz | amorphix: should have used lvm or one big partition |
| 19:33.32 | amorphix | i wish i'd done that now |
| 19:33.40 | maneh | Example: Anjuta show my language if I open it from a terminal. If I make a link on Desktop it doesnt. |
| 19:33.46 | MadSheep | Nosf3ratu ? |
| 19:33.47 | MadSheep | uhasuhdsahuuhdsauhdsa |
| 19:33.54 | MadSheep | Nosf3ratu di VITERBO ? |
| 19:34.17 | Eulex | maneh: eh? |
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| 19:34.35 | amorphix | whats the best way to backup a 6GB drive if u have no mass storage dev/media |
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| 19:34.56 | Eulex | amorphix, network |
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| 19:35.00 | shingouz | amorphix: another box? dvd? cd's? tape? |
| 19:35.05 | jason__ | can i use reportbug to search for a bug report by # without specifying a package? |
| 19:35.05 | amorphix | i have a network and plenty of raid space |
| 19:35.07 | wiler | how would i disable al the accounts that are in a specific group? by disabling i mean prevent login |
| 19:35.44 | amorphix | is there a tool which makes the job easier? |
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| 19:35.52 | Eulex | amorphix, then set up a ftp server... or an nfs server... or a samba server... etc |
| 19:35.54 | amorphix | dd? |
| 19:35.54 | nvz | amorphix: flip flop, move everything on / to /home and /home to / heh |
| 19:36.09 | Nosf3ratu | MadSheep, What? |
| 19:36.10 | Eulex | amorphix, or use a client for any of these to move it |
| 19:36.20 | amorphix | yes |
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| 19:36.35 | amorphix | i will have to do it |
| 19:36.50 | Eulex | nvz: how do you do that? |
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| 19:37.15 | mea_ | wiler: /etc/security/access.conf |
| 19:37.17 | nvz | Eulex: cp all of / to the /home partition, then change fstab and reboot |
| 19:37.36 | ohad | i am trying to setup my x11 with an nvidia video card. i choose vesa and 1024x768. i got the msg : vesa no maching/working modes -- ideas? |
| 19:37.37 | Eulex | nvz: that's true |
| 19:37.42 | nvz | Eulex: I know :P |
| 19:37.45 | wiler | thanks |
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| 19:38.01 | aFlag | is this correct: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib ? will i get the security updates this way? |
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| 19:38.07 | Eulex | ohad: then you're gfx card is bad at vesa... and you should not use vesa for a nvidia card |
| 19:38.17 | zinosat | "mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist" how do I fix it? |
| 19:38.27 | Eulex | zinosat, mkdir it |
| 19:38.53 | ohad | Eulex, what should i use then? i have two machines with the same config - the other machine is working with vesa |
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| 19:39.11 | Eulex | ohad: use an nvidia driver... |
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| 19:39.39 | fwest | how can i change my systems /etc/resolv.conf with openvpn ? |
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| 19:39.56 | locsmif | ohad, the creator of my distro made a nice nvidia script that should work on your debian |
| 19:39.56 | zinosat | Eulex, tnx |
| 19:40.00 | Shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.03 | locsmif | ohad, do you want the link? |
| 19:40.04 | Eulex | ohad, there should be xfree86 drivers, and there's also proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 19:40.04 | cinix | don't allow knoppix users to talk :) harsh |
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| 19:40.13 | cinix | Has anyone installed Debian on a SATA drive? The installer doesn't load the right modules to install using the sata controller I guess, where should I start looking fordocumentatino? |
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| 19:40.44 | OldakQuill | How do I enable non-root users to properly use apt-get. It keeps telling me that permission is denied |
| 19:40.51 | ohad | locsmif, sure. |
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| 19:40.59 | znx | OldakQuill: use sudo? |
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| 19:41.24 | OldakQuill | sudo? I'm a complete n00b, by the way. |
| 19:41.27 | locsmif | ohad, I'll /notice it to you |
| 19:41.50 | Eulex | OldakQuill, apt-get install sudo and add the users you want to /etc/sudoers |
| 19:41.57 | znx | OldakQuill: :) sudo works like this: sudo apt-get update |
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| 19:42.13 | znx | it will then ask for the users password |
| 19:42.22 | OldakQuill | Ok, thanks guys. You're not as fierce as your reputation suggests :) |
| 19:42.29 | znx | lol |
| 19:42.32 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 19:42.42 | zinosat | What can I use to watch a dvd? I've mounted it but I see a bunch of vob files |
| 19:42.49 | JohnFlux | OldakQuill: *growl*! |
| 19:42.55 | Eulex | zinosat, use something like mplayer |
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| 19:43.00 | locsmif | ohad, browse down the list and look for nvidia |
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| 19:43.11 | resiak | !tell zinosat -about libdvdcss |
| 19:43.16 | JohnFlux | zinosat: ogle, vlc etc |
| 19:43.28 | JohnFlux | zinosat: kde or gnome? |
| 19:43.52 | zinosat | Eulex, using totem I can play the single vob files (not all of them) |
| 19:43.56 | JohnFlux | zinosat: ah you're gnome |
| 19:43.59 | zinosat | JohnFlux, gnome |
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| 19:44.22 | JohnFlux | zinosat: check the menus of totem for playing a dvd |
| 19:44.34 | JohnFlux | zinosat: you probably didn't want to mount it ;) |
| 19:44.55 | zinosat | JohnFlux, I'll unmount it then |
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| 19:45.36 | znx | zinosat: i think you just point it to the device rather than the vob? |
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| 19:46.06 | Eulex | zinosat: maybe dvd:// works in totem? |
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| 19:46.44 | zinosat | works, thanx to all |
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| 19:47.18 | zinosat | Movie -> Play disk |
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| 19:47.44 | znx | zinosat: yay! |
| 19:47.52 | Eulex | weee |
| 19:47.55 | zinosat | znx, \o/ |
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| 19:48.14 | cddesjar | anyone have any ideas why when x starts and loads into xdm sometimes i get vertical lines and my screen flashes? but 9 out of 10 times it loads correctly |
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| 19:48.41 | ohad | locsmif, thx! |
| 19:48.49 | Eulex | cddesjar, driver problem? |
| 19:49.09 | cddesjar | i have no idea...i was thinking maybe i didn't configure x correctly? |
| 19:49.11 | znx | cddesjar: dodgy modeline in the config? |
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| 19:50.04 | cddesjar | also when i have to do a forced restart (i.e. turning off the computer by pressing the button) fschk doesn't do a check |
| 19:50.21 | cddesjar | !debian |
| 19:50.21 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 19:51.08 | ohad | locsmif, ok. got the msg no drivers found for nvidia |
| 19:51.57 | znx | cddesjar: do: touch /forcefsck on the next boot it will force a check |
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| 19:52.38 | m28ANK | hi |
| 19:52.43 | znx | hola |
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| 19:53.22 | paulswm | Bye |
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| 19:53.28 | paulswm | :P |
| 19:53.45 | nibbledumb | morning |
| 19:54.01 | concept10 | Does anyone recognize this error in Evolution: MAIL FROM command failed: Must issue a STARTTLS command first 34sm1227108nza. |
| 19:54.06 | concept10 | I cant send mail out |
| 19:54.08 | locsmif | ohad, hmmm |
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| 19:54.26 | znx | concept10: you need to enable TLS .. look in the configuration |
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| 19:54.59 | Draconicus | Erm... is there any command that can show the specs or hardware label of the processor? |
| 19:55.04 | locsmif | you can still come into our channel for support. although remember to be courteous to them, since you're not actually using that distro ;) |
| 19:55.05 | concept10 | znx: thanks |
| 19:55.15 | locsmif | ohad ^^^ |
| 19:55.23 | ohad | locsmif, no matching modes on both vesa and nv |
| 19:55.35 | ohad | locsmif, yes? ^- ^? |
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| 19:55.54 | sclebo05 | Draconicus: maybe x86info |
| 19:56.03 | locsmif | ohad, scroll up, I said something about an irc channel |
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| 19:56.10 | locsmif | I sit there too. |
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| 19:56.17 | Draconicus | sclebo05: That's not a command.. |
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| 19:56.29 | sclebo05 | cat /proc/cpuinfo then |
| 19:56.32 | jason__ | what's the easiest way to setup a wireless connection in debian with a prism card? |
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| 19:57.02 | SmallR2002 | can someone tell me how to get rid of 'bindshell' chkrootkit picked it up |
| 19:57.03 | b1rkoff | why need debian ?? i mean compared to other distros? |
| 19:57.05 | Draconicus | Thanks. |
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| 19:57.59 | shingouz | b1rkoff: huh? |
| 19:58.05 | nvz | b1rkoff: we made a document for that purpose http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 19:58.24 | nvz | now if you are done with stupid questions, I have to go install debian :P |
| 19:58.37 | paulswm | !irritate nvz |
| 19:58.39 | dpkg | nvz: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 19:58.43 | goitia | Mi tarjeta de video no se escucha alguien me puede ayudar, uso el knoppix |
| 19:58.44 | paulswm | :P |
| 19:58.47 | nvz | heh |
| 19:58.47 | shingouz | nvz: on a washing machine thie time? ;) |
| 19:58.55 | shingouz | goitia: #knoppix |
| 19:59.00 | nvz | no on this PC, I am reinstalling |
| 19:59.08 | drx | if dpkg exits with a pre-installation script error how or where can i see why? |
| 19:59.18 | shingouz | nvz: ooo... reinstall.. not fun |
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| 19:59.34 | nvz | shingouz: yeah well, I already backedup, and I need LVM on this drive |
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| 20:00.06 | shingouz | nvz: that is an acceptable excuse then :) |
| 20:00.16 | shingouz | nvz: you have my permission to reinstall |
| 20:00.23 | goron | I would like to import my contacts from Yahoo! E-mail to Evolution. Is there any way to do this? I guess I could get csv files out of Yahoo, but I don't know whether Evolution can understand those csv files. |
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| 20:00.30 | nvz | heh, well I will be back shortly |
| 20:00.43 | SmallR2002 | anyone able to help me? |
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| 20:02.14 | omry | anyone knows of a bandwidth monitoring tool that can give total bandwidth usage for a specific port? |
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| 20:03.20 | stranger | has anyone got the free hardware design e2k 64bit working yet with a cheap fab in China or India |
| 20:04.22 | SmallR2002 | please... someone... |
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| 20:05.10 | jdhutchin1 | SmallR2002, if you have a rootkit, your best bet is to reformat and reinstall |
| 20:05.18 | SmallR2002 | not again... |
| 20:05.22 | SmallR2002 | i just installed |
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| 20:05.31 | bernouli | which window manager do you use and find nice? |
| 20:05.38 | SmallR2002 | xfce |
| 20:05.45 | jdhutchin1 | SmallR2002, you got rooted, reinstalling is the only way to be sure you've gotten a rid of it |
| 20:06.01 | SmallR2002 | not sure if its more than a fake alert tho |
| 20:06.04 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: if you keep getting rooted- you might want to look at your administration procedures |
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| 20:06.45 | maritnja | whats the command to unzip .tgz files? |
| 20:06.53 | SmallR2002 | 'cos i found a few places on the net where it says that other programs can cause a false alert for it on chkrootkit |
| 20:06.58 | resiak | maritnja: man tar |
| 20:07.02 | maritnja | thx |
| 20:07.08 | znx | maritnja: tar xvfz file.tgz |
| 20:07.09 | slushpupie | maritnja: tar -zxvf filename.tgz |
| 20:07.14 | jdhutchin1 | SmallR2002, it's up to you, but if you're infected, you have no other real choice |
| 20:07.30 | maritnja | and add /whereI/want/directory at the end? |
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| 20:07.35 | SmallR2002 | i need to determin if its real or fake |
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| 20:08.04 | *** topic/#debian is SARGE RELEASED. | SID IS ONCE AGAIN LITERALLY UNSTABLE | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 -> /msg dpkg kde3.4 | non-us is no more. /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 20:08.04 | SmallR2002 | cos i've been apt-getting alot of 'network security' tools |
| 20:08.17 | slushpupie | maritnja: read "man tar" |
| 20:08.27 | znx | or: info tar |
| 20:08.32 | Eulex | SmallR2002, the first thing I'd do is change all my passwords |
| 20:08.47 | maritnja | ok |
| 20:08.53 | znx | and remove the machine from the net too Eulex ;) |
| 20:09.03 | Eulex | znx, yes that too |
| 20:09.26 | Eulex | SmallR2002, and check for suspicious running processes ;) |
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| 20:09.52 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: you might consider even taking it off the network for a short while while investigating |
| 20:10.01 | znx | if you are really badly rooted you might not even see suspicious procs |
| 20:10.03 | SmallR2002 | Eulex, we think alike |
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| 20:10.17 | SmallR2002 | and you too slushpupie |
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| 20:10.31 | SmallR2002 | am using another pc |
| 20:10.47 | SmallR2002 | ah, iliminated |
| 20:10.49 | znx | check out your kernel modules too.. lsmod |
| 20:11.02 | SmallR2002 | when nessusd is running it picks it up |
| 20:11.05 | grok | hi there, anybody knowing how to boot only one time another kernel like the default kernel ? -- like lilo -R kernel2 but in grub |
| 20:11.10 | SmallR2002 | when it isnt it doesnt |
| 20:11.14 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: debian provides md5sums of all installed files, it might be worth a check of important things (like ps, bash, etc) |
| 20:11.24 | stranger | grok, yes that is easy |
| 20:11.42 | grok | how stranger ? :-) |
| 20:11.42 | SmallR2002 | that gives too posibilities, one nessusd is infected, two, nessusd is producing a false alert |
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| 20:12.01 | stranger | grok, set it up in your menu.lst which is usually found in /boot |
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| 20:12.08 | stranger | or /boot/grub |
| 20:12.11 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: compare the nessusd binaries with md5sums from a debian repository |
| 20:12.23 | grok | one time boot (not always!) |
| 20:12.37 | slushpupie | grok: when grub comes up, go to the command line |
| 20:12.46 | SmallR2002 | slushpupie, never done that before, whats the command? |
| 20:12.48 | slushpupie | grok: then type: kernel /path/to/kernel |
| 20:12.56 | fwiw39xx | SIRS - what ports do i need open on my debian box to run a VNC server? |
| 20:13.00 | slushpupie | grok: then boot it |
| 20:13.02 | fwiw39xx | with SSH tunneling? |
| 20:13.10 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: the command is md5sum |
| 20:13.22 | grok | hm |
| 20:13.22 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: you supply the filename as the argument |
| 20:13.39 | grok | slush I cannot see the boot :-) --- because its remotepc |
| 20:13.49 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: then compare that output to a "known good" output |
| 20:14.12 | slushpupie | grok: then add it as the default to grub, then after the boot put it back |
| 20:14.22 | grok | ... |
| 20:14.31 | grok | just tell me, how to use the lilo -R in grub |
| 20:14.46 | slushpupie | grok: lilo != grub |
| 20:14.56 | grok | grub more functional then grub |
| 20:14.58 | Eulex | slushpupie, how to know the "known good" md5sm? |
| 20:15.01 | Eulex | *md5sum |
| 20:15.02 | keikoz | use lilo in grub ? |
| 20:15.13 | sith-R2D2 | sirs - how do i enable a remote ssh login into my debian box? i'm running iptables as configured via Bastille |
| 20:15.16 | jdhutchin1 | Eulex, packages.debian.org has lists of md5sums on package pages |
| 20:15.25 | Eulex | keikoz, grub is one bootloader, lilo is another |
| 20:15.32 | SmallR2002 | slushpupie, where will the binarys be |
| 20:15.36 | Eulex | jdhutchin1, per file? |
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| 20:15.51 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: the package will tell you |
| 20:15.53 | keikoz | yes, that's why i dont understand ... |
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| 20:16.08 | znx | grok: grub doesnt have the ability to select a kernel for next reboot.. only lilo has that |
| 20:16.13 | SmallR2002 | slushpupie, what about complete removal, then reinstalling? |
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| 20:16.33 | grok | thanks znx --- thats the answer for me |
| 20:16.35 | znx | SmallR2002: thats the best solution |
| 20:16.48 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: the best solution is to reinstall everything |
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| 20:17.00 | SmallR2002 | what about just for nessusd |
| 20:17.10 | znx | no |
| 20:17.14 | nvz | I realized after I booted D-I, that I had some questions about using LVM |
| 20:17.18 | znx | that wouldnt validate the system |
| 20:17.26 | SmallR2002 | i think its just nessusd being a false alert |
| 20:17.32 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: because you end up playing the "what if apt is compromised?, what if <???> is compromised?" game |
| 20:17.34 | SmallR2002 | *inspiration* |
| 20:17.45 | nvz | can I put LVM volume 100% across both drives, or should I leave non-LVM space for /boot or / ? |
| 20:17.49 | jdhutchin1 | Eulex, well, I thought it provided md5sums, but I guess it doesn't |
| 20:17.53 | znx | SmallR2002: google? see if its happened to someone else |
| 20:17.54 | Eulex | jdhutchin1, I can just find info on md5sums for the debs, not for individual files inside each package |
| 20:17.56 | slushpupie | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=nessusd&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 20:18.04 | SmallR2002 | what if i put nessusd on this pc, then chkrootkit |
| 20:18.04 | slushpupie | that will tell you the files |
| 20:18.09 | the-ackro | hello there. can anybody gimme a link where i can read the differences about the vanilla,sarge,compact install iso stuff? |
| 20:18.12 | SmallR2002 | if it alerts then i know the proble |
| 20:18.14 | SmallR2002 | m |
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| 20:18.28 | Eulex | jdhutchin1, ok |
| 20:18.33 | drx | hi all, i've a simple question.. if dpkg exits with a pre-installation script error how or where can i see why? |
| 20:18.48 | stranger | has anyone got a free hardware e2k design with a free interface so that one can call up China and put others out of business |
| 20:18.48 | slushpupie | the .deb package has the md5s in it |
| 20:19.05 | stranger | or rather anyone can |
| 20:19.11 | slushpupie | drx: you can see the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkgname.preinst |
| 20:19.13 | SmallR2002 | slushpupie, what you think of my idea?. |
| 20:19.31 | slushpupie | SmallR2002: I would just reinstall the whole thing |
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| 20:19.36 | Eulex | the-ackro, what? |
| 20:19.43 | Eulex | !tell the-ackro about ask |
| 20:19.53 | znx | SmallR2002: do you mean remote scan the machine? |
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| 20:20.20 | znx | id assume that if nessus was showing a 'false' as you think it is.. it still would |
| 20:20.36 | jim | SmallR2002: if your root acct has been broken into, then you can't trust any file on the system |
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| 20:20.52 | SmallR2002 | if i install nessusd on this machine, run it, then chkrootkit, if it picks up the same thing then i know i have a answer |
| 20:21.14 | jim | SmallR2002: is that linked against libc? |
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| 20:21.28 | cahoot | SmallR2002: checked bugs.debian.org for chkrookit? |
| 20:21.42 | SmallR2002 | jim, ? |
| 20:21.43 | stranger | well at least we do have free alternatives to that opengl nonsense which is still SGI proprietary stuff |
| 20:21.54 | SmallR2002 | cahoot, mmmmn, lets see |
| 20:21.56 | Eulex | SmallR2002, do apt-get clean before that, the downloaded deb may be hacked ;P |
| 20:21.56 | sith-R2D2 | sirs - how do i enable a remote ssh login into my debian box? i think my current configuration is too hardened |
| 20:21.58 | znx | SmallR2002: ah.. i see. that maybe an idea.. but no guarntee |
| 20:22.11 | znx | what if they got more than one system ;) |
| 20:22.12 | jim | SmallR2002: what is your question |
| 20:22.25 | SmallR2002 | loosk to me like nessusd is triggering a false alert |
| 20:22.26 | jim | "?" is not enough :P |
| 20:22.42 | stranger | but the problem is that the Army said some of the code they generated they chose to link against opengl because they were suckered into buying proprietary SGI hardware to begin with |
| 20:22.45 | SmallR2002 | "jim SmallR2002: is that linked against libc?" |
| 20:22.48 | lodeon | anyone using smbclient and amanda to backup windows shares? |
| 20:22.56 | drx | slushpupie, i've problem upgrading dpkg |
| 20:23.14 | drx | but viewing the script |
| 20:23.16 | stranger | this is a real problem when people are lured into developing for proprietary and restricted hardware |
| 20:23.22 | jim | SmallR2002: pose a question (if you need help doing so, /msg dpkg smart questions) |
| 20:23.32 | Eulex | stranger: go rant on #gnu |
| 20:23.35 | znx | SmallR2002: i would be doubtful.. nessus and chkrootkit are bound to know of one another |
| 20:23.42 | drx | i didnt solved |
| 20:23.57 | nvz | is debian capable of booting from a LVM volume? basically is what I am asking, before I use all of my space for LVM volume |
| 20:24.12 | jim | !ops stranger troll (gnu advocacy) for at least two days |
| 20:24.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: stranger troll (gnu advocacy) for at least two days |
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| 20:24.32 | LoRez | stranger: seriously, knock it off |
| 20:24.46 | ced__ | "network install" is just debian without any additional packages installed, right? just barebones? |
| 20:24.59 | Eulex | ced__, yes |
| 20:25.05 | stranger | jim, it is not trolling these people are self-locking themselves into particular proprietary vendors and goes against the "social policy" of freeing things up for social benefits and public goods |
| 20:25.07 | afabian | nvz: I think you have to have a boot partition not under LVM control, so that the bootloader can find a kernel without benefit of LVM drivers or anything like that. Aside from that, you can put the root under LVM control. |
| 20:25.08 | Eulex | ced__, you'll need to download a lot |
| 20:25.18 | ced__ | does it include kde or gnome...or both? |
| 20:25.19 | Overand | any suggestions for installing sarge on an inspiron 9300? |
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| 20:25.29 | MobyTurbo | stranger: and this has to do with supporting Debian - how? |
| 20:25.38 | jim | stranger: don't bother... I'm seriously uninterested |
| 20:25.39 | Eulex | ced__, both, but you'll have to install the one you want |
| 20:25.42 | slushpupie | stranger: it is trolling if you go off about how the Army should change their ways |
| 20:26.04 | ced__ | ok |
| 20:26.06 | znx | heh SmallR2002 |
| 20:26.08 | ced__ | I guess I'll just go with the full disc |
| 20:26.12 | znx | any luck? |
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| 20:26.43 | nvz | alright, well I'll give it a go |
| 20:26.45 | jim | stranger: in any case, an op has asked you to stop directly |
| 20:26.49 | SmallR2002 | looking all over for it, and monitering the ports that it told me were bound to bindshell |
| 20:26.54 | nvz | make a small /boot partition I guess |
| 20:27.00 | SmallR2002 | nothing so far |
| 20:27.15 | SmallR2002 | clamav hasnt picked anythign up either |
| 20:27.21 | fwest | what sort of zone do i want to set up to cache a zone from another dns server? |
| 20:27.25 | znx | so far so good then |
| 20:27.33 | Eulex | !tell the-ackro about smart questions |
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| 20:27.46 | nvz | oh on an unrelated note, I just tried to fire up xchat on this windows box to come in here, and it said my 30 trial expired.. so Xchat sucks way more than I originally thought :P |
| 20:28.07 | nvz | even chatzilla wouldnt do something ignorant like that |
| 20:28.07 | Eulex | nvz, it's not free for windows anymore :( |
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| 20:28.22 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:28.23 | jim | is xchat GPL? |
| 20:28.27 | petemc | nvz: imagine trying to make money from software you wrote, the nerve" |
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| 20:28.36 | hikenboot | my debian system has lots of tmp files that are connected to processes according to tcpdump is this normal for instance /tmp/orbit-hikenboot/linc-f.... |
| 20:28.51 | znx | jim: yes |
| 20:28.55 | SmallR2002 | nvz, i can help you! google xchat 2, the one you want is from... silverx.org or something |
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| 20:29.01 | znx | dont know about a win version though |
| 20:29.03 | nvz | petemc: especially when its in a 100% free OS, and it royally sucks ass |
| 20:29.03 | SmallR2002 | full, free |
| 20:29.04 | slushpupie | hikenboot: how does tcpdump tell you about files in /tmp? |
| 20:29.08 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*banjo@*hstntx.swbell.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:29.09 | davem | petemc: freedom? |
| 20:29.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 20:29.18 | jim | znx: if it shares code, they have to cough up source |
| 20:29.19 | SmallR2002 | and legal |
| 20:29.22 | paulswm | nvz: xchat is free in linux |
| 20:29.25 | hikenboot | oops sorry netstat...my bad |
| 20:29.30 | nvz | I dont want Xchat, its just what I had on here |
| 20:29.38 | nvz | I want irssi, but it doesnt run on windows |
| 20:29.45 | petemc | nvz: xchat in debian is free, whats your point now? |
| 20:29.53 | znx | heh |
| 20:29.56 | nvz | that Xchat sucks |
| 20:29.58 | SmallR2002 | there are two versions of it |
| 20:29.58 | MobyTurbo | nvz: my favorite Windows client was Xircon + Kano |
| 20:29.59 | jim | nvz: so install debian :P |
| 20:30.03 | slushpupie | hikenboot: netstat? |
| 20:30.09 | nvz | its insane to think you can get money for it |
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| 20:30.22 | Eulex | true |
| 20:30.23 | nvz | I wouldnt give someone elses penny off the street for that crap |
| 20:30.25 | hikenboot | yes the netstat command |
| 20:30.29 | slushpupie | hikenboot: what options did you give netstat to get that? |
| 20:30.34 | hikenboot | none |
| 20:30.36 | SmallR2002 | they split, you can still get a free version |
| 20:30.40 | jim | it's not a totally horrible client... but it's not great either |
| 20:30.40 | paulswm | nvz: Write your won then if you think you can do better. |
| 20:30.45 | paulswm | s/won/own/ |
| 20:30.46 | hikenboot | netstat <enter> |
| 20:30.49 | SmallR2002 | nvz, http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 20:31.18 | slushpupie | hikenboot: do those lines all start with unix? |
| 20:31.25 | hikenboot | I have a problem with a slow tcp/ip stac that i am trying to trace down |
| 20:31.27 | hikenboot | yes they do |
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| 20:31.36 | nvz | bleh, I am going back to my save debian haven |
| 20:31.39 | ced__ | can someone help me find a full iso to download? I want a 64 bit 3.1 ISO...I'm looking at the mirrors page, but there are like 10 different ISOs in this one directory |
| 20:31.47 | nvz | thanks for the LVM heads up |
| 20:31.55 | nvz | I figured it wasnt going to boot from lvm |
| 20:31.58 | nvz | I just wasn't sure |
| 20:32.00 | slushpupie | hikenboot: those are all unix sockets, and have nothing to do with "network" traffic (they dont touch tcp/ip) |
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| 20:32.10 | znx | SmallR2002: !!! http://www.chkrootkit.org/faq/#7 |
| 20:32.14 | hikenboot | ok thanks for the info |
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| 20:32.22 | slushpupie | hikenboot: lots of things use sockets, X, KDE, etc |
| 20:32.23 | nvz | when I went to configure LVM, and it asked me if I was sure about the partitioning, I wasnt really sure :P |
| 20:32.25 | JohnFlux | what's the command you run when you add a new library? |
| 20:32.33 | hikenboot | I get lots of port 137 traffic but i run no windows on my home net |
| 20:32.44 | hikenboot | but i do run vmware gsx and crossover and wine |
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| 20:32.46 | paulswm | *shrug* If software authors want to make money from their work, that doesn't mean the software sucks or that the aouthors are bad. |
| 20:32.50 | znx | SmallR2002: so ill take a leap.. your secure still :) |
| 20:32.50 | jim | nvz: so back up your HD first |
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| 20:33.04 | nvz | jim: its backed up already. |
| 20:33.12 | hikenboot | no samba either |
| 20:33.15 | nvz | I just dont want to have to install more than once |
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| 20:33.25 | jim | oh, good enough... do you want help with the partitioning |
| 20:33.37 | nvz | I guess I need to leave about 25mb for /boot and the rest can be lvm |
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| 20:34.01 | jim | I would be a little leery about an lvm / too |
| 20:34.02 | SmallR2002 | znx, lol, i have those two and nessus installed, lol |
| 20:34.09 | znx | SmallR2002: :) |
| 20:34.17 | znx | its all good then |
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| 20:34.41 | ced__ | how many cds is the debian installation supposed to be? |
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| 20:34.53 | znx | ced__: you can do it with 1 |
| 20:34.56 | nvz | yeah but what good does wiping my drive to put LVM on do, if I will end up having to do this again because I run out of space on / |
| 20:35.02 | znx | all the rest are 'extras' |
| 20:35.02 | ced__ | well these directorys have a list of like 10 different isos |
| 20:35.03 | jim | ced__: I heard there were 14, but you don't need any |
| 20:35.05 | nvz | its bad enough I cant just use LVM on everything |
| 20:35.11 | ced__ | jesus |
| 20:35.17 | ced__ | so I need the first one? |
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| 20:35.26 | slushpupie | ced__: you can get all those from online repositories, you dont need the CD's for them |
| 20:35.33 | jim | ced__: no, you can do it with as little as 2 floppies |
| 20:35.36 | afabian | ced__: Between 1 and 17 inclusive, round-abouts. Unlikely you'll use anything after CD 4 just sitting down and doing an install, though. Pretty likely could get by with CD 1. |
| 20:35.37 | slushpupie | ced__: yes, and the netinstall cd dosnt have any packages |
| 20:35.46 | afabian | Or is it 27? |
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| 20:35.51 | jim | or maybe zero floppies |
| 20:35.55 | znx | ced__: id say .. 3 ? |
| 20:36.04 | ced__ | this is going to be awesome on 28.8k dialup |
| 20:36.10 | znx | HAHAH |
| 20:36.11 | slushpupie | jim: I do pxe boot installs here :-) |
| 20:36.23 | znx | slushpupie: woot! |
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| 20:36.28 | jim | slushpupie: that's the net boot thing? |
| 20:36.34 | slushpupie | jim: yep |
| 20:36.37 | afabian | nvz: don't put stuff under /. Create a new LVM partition and mount it under /. You don't *need* much on /, just basic system files. |
| 20:36.43 | slushpupie | jim: we use FAI for our installer |
| 20:36.44 | jim | what arch(s)? |
| 20:36.48 | afabian | If some program decides it likes /opt, use LVM and make an /opt. |
| 20:36.54 | slushpupie | jim: i386 |
| 20:37.00 | nvz | perhaps I could make a very small / that is not LVM, then mount LVM partitions to /usr, /home.. etc |
| 20:37.00 | jim | what dist? |
| 20:37.09 | Eulex | 28.8k?? ced__, I'd suggest that you buy the cds from somewhere... |
| 20:37.11 | jim | fai? I used to know what that was |
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| 20:37.17 | slushpupie | jim: weve been doing woody and sarge for over a year now |
| 20:37.29 | jim | so, local mirror? |
| 20:37.45 | znx | id hope so |
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| 20:37.54 | Eulex | ced__, but if you really wanna d/l it, I'd suggest netinstall |
| 20:37.54 | slushpupie | jim: hell yeah.. maintaining 300-some systems sucks without it |
| 20:37.54 | ced__ | Eulex yea I will probably. So on the other 13 cds...just software packages? |
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| 20:38.04 | osity | anyone have raid 1 expereince? |
| 20:38.15 | slushpupie | osity: in what capacity? |
| 20:38.16 | hacim | yes people do |
| 20:38.19 | jim | nvz: that's good for most uses, and especially for servers |
| 20:38.25 | osity | slushpupie what do you mean? |
| 20:38.31 | osity | capacity? HDD? |
| 20:38.32 | jim | are you a yes person? |
| 20:38.39 | ced__ | Eulex I just want a few software packages really...an e-mail program, firefox, open office, xmms, and some other stuff. So I can just download the net install, then install them from there? |
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| 20:38.44 | osity | software raid 1 |
| 20:39.01 | nvz | hmm well I guess I should look at the FHS again and leave all the important stuff off LVM so I can always boot without LVM stuff |
| 20:39.02 | Eulex | ced__, netinstall does just contain the base |
| 20:39.07 | znx | jim: yes |
| 20:39.26 | Eulex | ced__, you'd have to download a minimum of something like 300-400mb software |
| 20:39.40 | Eulex | totally |
| 20:39.58 | ced__ | hmm I'll just download the required cds and install packages as I go I guess or buy the cds |
| 20:39.59 | afabian | nvz: Of course, you know what you want LVM for... but it's quite possibly more trouble than it's worth, unless you know you need it for some reason. I had a nice set-up, and it was still a pain. Ended up going back to one big partition anyway.. for my desktop machine. |
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| 20:40.35 | slushpupie | ced__: where do you live? there might be a LUG near you with people who can get you the CD's |
| 20:40.39 | afabian | Could be nice for servers, especially complete, reliable back-ups without downtime. Filesystem snapshots. |
| 20:40.42 | Eulex | ced__, if you wanna d/l, netinstall is better... then you only need to d/l the things you need |
| 20:40.43 | ced__ | pennsylvania |
| 20:40.43 | osity | slushpupie: have you set it up before? |
| 20:40.47 | Eulex | slushpupie, good idea |
| 20:40.50 | nvz | afabian: well this is my desktop, but its also going to be a flieserver for a few other people on my lan, and I am having multiple large drives |
| 20:40.56 | slushpupie | osity: I do hardware raid |
| 20:41.04 | osity | ah |
| 20:41.06 | jim | ced__: well, yes... but you'll be installing the base from the CD, and everything else from the net (remember to tell the installer to leave your network unconfigured going into base install) |
| 20:41.20 | osity | what channel would i be able to find heolp? |
| 20:41.23 | jim | but that needs to be fixed really |
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| 20:41.49 | Eulex | jim: it's a bug? |
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| 20:42.09 | Nykheyn | how to resize the screen using xfce |
| 20:42.19 | Eulex | Nykheyn, what version? |
| 20:42.29 | jim | yeah well, I think that it should be possible in a netinstall cd to configure the net and still pull the base off the cd |
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| 20:42.43 | Nykheyn | eulex, the last one |
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| 20:42.55 | Eulex | Nykheyn, the settings manager -> display |
| 20:43.01 | Eulex | Nykheyn, last one? 4.2.2? |
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| 20:43.12 | jim | Eulex: so yeah, I think it's a bug for the installer to not let me choose |
| 20:43.29 | Eulex | yeah... |
| 20:43.33 | afabian | nvz: Sounds like a suitably complicated configuration. =) Seeing as you can grow partitions and leave space unpartitioned easily and painlessly with LVM (ext3 is a good filesystem; I think you can grow the filesystem without even unmounting, but that may be reiser), it's probably better to to have a root that's not under LVM, and low-ball your partitions if you're worried about wasting space, and grow them if you have to. |
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| 20:44.11 | Nykheyn | there isn't display in settings manager |
| 20:44.26 | jim | that's what I was thinking too... then you can always install more drives and add them to the volume group |
| 20:44.37 | Eulex | Nykheyn, apt-cache show xfce4? |
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| 20:44.51 | JohnFlux | does "/msg dpkg find" search unstable? |
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| 20:44.56 | aficionado | does anyone know which package contains ps2pdf? |
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| 20:45.04 | nvz | afabian: well the critical areas like /boot/ /etc/ and /sbin/ etc arent going to grow, so I can make a / off the LVM with all that, and mount LVM partitions where there will be growth I guess |
| 20:45.07 | gabie | copying large files makes my pc sticky, I think it's not hdparm or dma, what to do? |
| 20:45.11 | abc | Where do I get j2sdk as debian package? |
| 20:45.17 | Eulex | Nykheyn, the official debian or the os-cillation? |
| 20:45.30 | jim | abc: you would build that package yourself using java-package |
| 20:45.39 | jim | abc: it's easy to do |
| 20:45.40 | nvz | afabian: I shouldnt need more than 1gb or so for that stuff. it will probably be less than 300mb |
| 20:45.44 | slushpupie | aficionado: gs-common |
| 20:46.12 | abc | jim: How? |
| 20:46.17 | aficionado | slushpupie: thanks! |
| 20:46.18 | Nykheyn | 4.0.5-1 |
| 20:46.21 | JohnFlux | I can't find what package libXinerama.a is in |
| 20:46.24 | Nykheyn | not thelast one :P |
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| 20:46.30 | JohnFlux | how do I find out? |
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| 20:47.18 | Eulex | Nykheyn, the official debian is old, try the version from os-cillation, http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/ |
| 20:47.21 | Pryon | dpkg-query -S |
| 20:47.23 | streuner_ | dpkg find xinerama.a |
| 20:47.27 | slushpupie | JohnFlux: I would venture to guess: xlibs-static-dev |
| 20:47.28 | Eulex | Nykheyn, there are very big differences |
| 20:47.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xinerama.a' (1): (/usr/lib/fpc/2.0.0/units/i386-linux/x11/libpxinerama.a) in devel/fp-units-base. |
| 20:47.38 | gabie | kernel is 2.4.27, would it be better with 2.6 (only in that respect) |
| 20:47.41 | streuner_ | dpkg find xinerama |
| 20:47.45 | jim | abc: install the package java-package, then look in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED to find .bin files it supports, pick one or more, get it/them, use make-jpkg to build them into debian packages |
| 20:47.47 | omry | anyone knows of a bandwidth monitoring tool that can give total bandwidth usage for a specific port? |
| 20:47.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xinerama' (5 of 54): (/usr/share/locale/tr/LC_MESSAGES/kcmxinerama.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-tr ;; (/usr/share/locale/pa/LC_MESSAGES/kcmxinerama.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-pa ;; (/usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/kcmxinerama.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-ja ;; (/usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/kcmxinerama.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-ru ;; (/usr/share/locale/eu/LC_MESSAGES/kcmxinerama.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-eu. |
| 20:47.50 | znx | JohnFlux: libxinerama ? |
| 20:47.57 | JohnFlux | slushpupie: that doesn't appear to be true for unstable |
| 20:48.04 | JohnFlux | znx: yeah, well libXinerama |
| 20:48.05 | Nykheyn | eulex, do you know how to winth this version? |
| 20:48.06 | streuner_ | JohnFlux: how about pdo? |
| 20:48.14 | znx | JohnFlux: no i mean the package name ;) |
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| 20:48.34 | Eulex | Nykheyn, winth?? follow the instructions at the page I gave you a link to |
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| 20:48.44 | znx | JohnFlux: apt-cache search xine |
| 20:48.44 | JohnFlux | znx: i have a libxinerama1 which is the shared version |
| 20:48.50 | znx | ah ok |
| 20:48.54 | nvz | I guess I can LVM /usr, /var, /tmp, /home the rest would probably have to stay on / |
| 20:49.09 | jim | abc: as far as keystroke-by-keystroke, you should read the man page on make-jpkg (and other docs in /usr/share/doc/java-package/) to see what you're up against |
| 20:50.18 | jim | nvz: if you have lots of ram, you could make /tmp a ramfs or tmpfs |
| 20:50.37 | nvz | jim: I have 512MB |
| 20:50.42 | abc | jim: Ok, I'll try that |
| 20:50.42 | JohnFlux | usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.a libdevel/xlibs-static-dev |
| 20:50.46 | jim | should be plenty |
| 20:50.53 | JohnFlux | strange it really is in xlibs-static-dev |
| 20:50.57 | JohnFlux | so why don't I have it :\ |
| 20:51.06 | znx | slushpupie rocks! |
| 20:51.21 | Nykheyn | eulex, that tells me where? |
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| 20:51.36 | Pepper | hi, are there some news about s.d.o.? |
| 20:52.14 | Eulex | Nykheyn, it tells you how to upgrade to 4.2.1.1... |
| 20:52.50 | Eulex | Nykheyn, which is much better than 4.0.5 |
| 20:52.57 | abc | How do I find out which installed package that provides a given file? |
| 20:53.06 | nvz | I am pretty sure 1gb should be way more than enough space for / if /var, /usr, /home, /tmp are all on LVM the are the partitions that should grow |
| 20:53.20 | nvz | and my swap space should be off LVM too |
| 20:53.46 | jim | abc: maybe after reading all that stuff and trying things out (running make-jpkg for the first few times) you'll have other questions |
| 20:53.55 | valdyn | abc: dpkg -S <file> |
| 20:54.00 | Eulex | Nykheyn, after upgrading to 4.2.1.1 you should get "display" or similar in the settings manager |
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| 20:54.57 | abc | valdyn: Cool, thanks |
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| 20:58.00 | djp | had a couple of issues with pciehp and shpchp errors on boot, but used the ubuntu workaround from their warty release to get rid of them (just added relevant entries to the blacklist file...). is this the correct workaround? |
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| 20:58.29 | djp | or if not correct a good one? |
| 20:58.44 | Eulex | djp, yes, if those modules were causing problems |
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| 20:59.47 | djp | Eulex: yes they were. thanks for the response. |
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| 21:01.13 | eeyore- | hey, there was an earthquake in southern california *just now* :-) felt it |
| 21:01.27 | Eulex | eeyore-, kewl |
| 21:01.33 | djp | Eulex: i didn't manage to get rid of the timeout on ep0in error message, however it didn't appear 4-6 times last boot, only appearing once. it appears to be something to do with bluetooth (no doubt my belkin dongle), however everything works anyway. maybe something to do with time taken to notice the device? |
| 21:02.01 | Eulex | djp, umh, I dunno |
| 21:02.30 | stew | eeyore-: big one? |
| 21:02.33 | aFlag | i never felt an earthquake :( |
| 21:02.49 | Seb | eeyore-: oy |
| 21:02.53 | aFlag | i never seen a tornado also, those are two things i want to experience someday |
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| 21:03.19 | kasper | if u have a dell laptop check this http://www.chromance.de/wtf/lol.htm |
| 21:03.37 | Seb | eeyore-: http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/ci14155260.htm |
| 21:03.57 | Eulex | kasper, I'm gonna get a dell laptop tomorrow |
| 21:03.59 | Nykheyn | thanx Eulex of your help :) |
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| 21:04.05 | Eulex | Nykheyn, yw |
| 21:04.16 | jim | aFlag: I felt the one on the hayward fault that broke the SF Bay Bridge in 1989 |
| 21:04.18 | Nykheyn | (yw=?) |
| 21:04.27 | Eulex | Nykheyn, you're welcome |
| 21:04.29 | jim | it lasted many seconds |
| 21:04.30 | Nykheyn | aahhh |
| 21:04.32 | Nykheyn | :) |
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| 21:05.00 | aFlag | wow, that must of been cool |
| 21:05.02 | gurble | I had a question with the new installer. it can't configure my DHCP connection. |
| 21:05.20 | Eulex | gurble, does it detect your nic? |
| 21:05.22 | gurble | problem with my nic or w/ the other comp on network? |
| 21:05.23 | SJr|Tecra | Awwwww are all the apt sources for Woody broken now? |
| 21:05.23 | valdyn | kasper: why should this be related to dell? |
| 21:05.27 | gurble | I can't tell |
| 21:05.35 | eeyore- | stew: felt big enough :-) what magnitude was it? |
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| 21:05.39 | gurble | network card detect didn't report errors |
| 21:05.50 | jim | aFlag: I was afraid my house was going to fall completely down. |
| 21:05.51 | valdyn | kasper: homeland security act permits this, but it would not have anything to do w/ dell |
| 21:05.53 | eeyore- | stew: i thought somebody hit the building what with the SUV's they drive around here :-) |
| 21:05.54 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, they should be there for a year or so, I think |
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| 21:05.59 | SJr|Tecra | oic |
| 21:06.00 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmmm |
| 21:06.09 | Eulex | I think, at least |
| 21:06.10 | kasper | valdyn: so your saying that its in every laptop then? |
| 21:06.11 | valdyn | kasper: uh, or patriot act, ianal... |
| 21:06.19 | phaethon | that was a run little ride. |
| 21:06.23 | phaethon | s/run/fun/ |
| 21:06.24 | bucky | SJr|Tecra, do you have 'woody' in your sources.list ? |
| 21:06.29 | jim | run little fide? |
| 21:06.36 | valdyn | kasper: no, its legal for us "police" to do this based on ( i believe ) the patriot act. |
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| 21:06.53 | SJr|Tecra | Yup |
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| 21:07.06 | phaethon | http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ |
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| 21:07.21 | SJr|Tecra | Is upgrading to sarge still a pain in the ass? |
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| 21:07.27 | phaethon | rated 5.3 on Richter for now. |
| 21:07.28 | kasper | i understand its legal and all. but i mean wtf? makes me wanna throw this lappy out the window and go buy a sony |
| 21:07.30 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, nope |
| 21:07.35 | gurble | is there a better place to get help w/ debianinstaller? |
| 21:07.37 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, but read the docs |
| 21:07.43 | bucky | SJr|Tecra, if you don't read the release notes it is |
| 21:07.44 | Eulex | gurble, #debian-boot |
| 21:07.49 | valdyn | kasper: again.. it seemingly has _nothing_ to do with dell, period. |
| 21:07.49 | gurble | thanks |
| 21:08.15 | jim | gurble: NO, they DO NOT want to handle help requests on that channel. |
| 21:08.23 | gurble | oh |
| 21:08.27 | gurble | never mind |
| 21:08.35 | jim | dont' go there asking for help with the installer |
| 21:08.37 | jim | but |
| 21:08.38 | Eulex | jim, oh, sorry for that |
| 21:08.55 | valdyn | kasper: in fact, dell doing this would be illegal, 'police' doing this is legal ( in the US ), under certain circumstances. |
| 21:08.58 | jim | you can email debian-installer@lists.debian.org |
| 21:09.06 | gurble | thanks |
| 21:09.21 | Eulex | yeah, no I remember... |
| 21:09.33 | Eulex | they want to handle support through e-mail |
| 21:09.37 | SJr|Tecra | I thought Sarge was going to have X.org? |
| 21:09.45 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, nope |
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| 21:10.04 | SJr|Tecra | why not? I thought everyone was dumping XFree86 due to licensing |
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| 21:10.14 | kasper | valdyn: ok so then if "dell" isn't putting this in there hardware, who is? (are they making dell do this?) |
| 21:10.23 | valdyn | kasper: you might want to google for patriot act related stuff.. its quite controverse, to say the least |
| 21:10.25 | Seb | kasper: what's your laptop's problem ? |
| 21:10.27 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, there's a long story behind why sarge is using xfree86 |
| 21:10.38 | petemc | kasper: you cant believe everything you read, you know |
| 21:10.39 | SJr|Tecra | is there a link to this story? |
| 21:10.54 | valdyn | kasper: what petemc sais is true too ) |
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| 21:10.59 | pipeline | valdyn, kasper : That link is ridiculous. Surely that's a hoax. |
| 21:11.09 | __zao__ | hi, on my one machine the 'who' shows every login since a certain date. somehow, if i logout, this seems not correctly be registered. what could be a reason for that, where can i dig? |
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| 21:11.30 | petemc | pipeline: remove the lol.html and you'll see lots of suspect stuff |
| 21:11.35 | kasper | pipeline, valdyn,petemc, i dunno regardless it makes me wanna open my lappy up and find out |
| 21:11.50 | valdyn | pipeline: yea, probably a hoax, but doesn't matter, i *know* that the patriot act permits certain ( controverse ) things. |
| 21:11.55 | sparr_ | Is anyone here familiar with the 'package' packaging system? Shell scripts ending in .package that launch a GTK+ GUI to install stuff. I am trying to figure out where some files got put, or why they didnt get created, or to uninstall a package. How can I do that? |
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| 21:12.35 | petemc | pipeline: oops, thats not the original link |
| 21:12.55 | SJr|Tecra | Wow I can upgrade without rebooting? |
| 21:12.56 | pipeline | valdyn: What's controversial about it? The FBI is, explicitly, a secret police force. That is its purpose. :P |
| 21:13.10 | Seb | SJr|Tecra: sure |
| 21:13.12 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, yes |
| 21:13.19 | MobyTurbo | SJr|Tecra: you don't need to reboot except when you upgrade the kernel |
| 21:13.19 | pipeline | valdyn: It was always its purpose. Hell, the FBI was founded in order to dig up dirt on Teddy Roosevelt's political enemies in '08. |
| 21:13.22 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, but for the new kernel you need to reboot |
| 21:13.25 | SJr|Tecra | Hmmmm |
| 21:13.31 | SJr|Tecra | I can keep my old ones can't I? |
| 21:13.36 | SJr|Tecra | I have 2.6.10 on these |
| 21:13.43 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, yes |
| 21:13.54 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, that's a custom kernel, ain't it? |
| 21:13.59 | SJr|Tecra | Yeah it is |
| 21:14.21 | ozzloy | when i edit /etc/group how do i make the changes take effect? |
| 21:14.28 | ozzloy | short of logging out and back in? |
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| 21:14.47 | Seb | ozzloy: nothing |
| 21:14.48 | tcsetattr | log out and log in again, ozzloy... that's it. you can't add privileges to an existing non-root shell |
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| 21:15.05 | valdyn | pipeline: now that would lead to far. |
| 21:15.05 | tarzeau | jharrison, jethro, paulswm: have you ever seen bubbles that went downwards? |
| 21:15.11 | SJr|Tecra | So whats the deal with Sarge, is it going to stay current in some way shape or form, or will it be a laughing stock of the linux world during the next 2-4 years until, buzz or whatever the next one is :) |
| 21:15.14 | valdyn | pipeline: im sure google knows though |
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| 21:15.47 | MobyTurbo | SJr|Tecra: the next one is etch, buzz is an older version of Debian already. |
| 21:15.56 | ozzloy | Seb, tcsetattr, thanks. interesting, didn't know that |
| 21:15.57 | SJr|Tecra | oic I didn't know that |
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| 21:16.00 | SJr|Tecra | oic |
| 21:16.09 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmmmm the point is, are they going to be more frequent? |
| 21:16.19 | paulswm | !fruitsmite tarzeau |
| 21:16.27 | MobyTurbo | SJr|Tecra: they plan to be more frequent |
| 21:16.33 | SJr|Tecra | Hurrah~! |
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| 21:16.39 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, but it will still be wir |
| 21:16.43 | SJr|Tecra | wir? |
| 21:16.44 | pipeline | valdyn: The patriot act isn't as controversial as its made out to be. It gives police forces the powers they had up until the 70s. |
| 21:16.54 | Eulex | !tell SJr|Tecra about wir |
| 21:16.56 | tcsetattr | ozzloy, a kernel debugger might be able to do it. Or you could patch /dev/kmem by hand :) but logging in again is the usual answer. |
| 21:17.02 | pipeline | valdyn: i.e. allows the FBI to restart its campaign of terror |
| 21:17.30 | SJr|Tecra | Can anyone point me to a link about X.org and debian, I'm curious and I'm not having much luck on google |
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| 21:17.45 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, search on apt-get.org |
| 21:17.47 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite SJr|Tecra |
| 21:17.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon SJr|Tecra. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:17.58 | valdyn | pipeline: interesting, i didn't know that, though if 'restartin its compaign of terror' is not enough for controversy, i dont know what is. |
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| 21:18.04 | SJr|Tecra | whoops |
| 21:18.05 | SJr|Tecra | sorry |
| 21:18.07 | ozzloy | tcsetattr, um... i'm thinking that's a tad out of my league.. so i'll just stick with logout/in |
| 21:18.28 | bigbill52a | with all the new powers...they havent caught any terrorists...because of the act..it appears to be the foundation of a police state... |
| 21:18.29 | pipeline | valdyn: Most people don't care if the government persecutes political dissidents. |
| 21:18.37 | valdyn | pipeline: agreed |
| 21:19.10 | ozzloy | tcsetattr, thanx though |
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| 21:19.36 | rikva | Hi, I my sshd server listens on port 443 (for security reasons) and not on the default port 22. FTP uses port 21. I want to use FTP over SSH, but that just doesn't work over port 443. I use sshd and vsftpd... |
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| 21:19.53 | pipeline | valdyn: Most people seem unaware of just how pervasive law enforcement infiltration really is. Most environmental groups, leftist parties, etc have at least a couple of agents active. Not that that's all that threatening; if you're not doing anything illegal, why do you care if some of your mates are plants? It's just ethically troubling. |
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| 21:20.00 | __zao__ | can anyone tell me what the difference between '/var/run/utmp' and '/var/log/wtmp' is? |
| 21:20.59 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: "first they came for the socialists, but I was not a socialist. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, but I was not a member of a union. Then they came for me, and there was nobody left to protest" - Reinhold Niebuer |
| 21:21.01 | tcsetattr | wtmp is a record of past events. utmp is current status. |
| 21:21.20 | archivist | does anybody know what screen driver i should use for a 3dlabs onboard video in a digital 300I server |
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| 21:22.17 | Seb | MobyTurbo: good one |
| 21:22.18 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: And that's why it's ethically troubling. It's not as if these agents are subverting environmentalist groups, they're just keeping tabs in case they actually do need to break into someone's home and make them disappear conveniently :) |
| 21:22.26 | Seb | heh |
| 21:22.31 | OldakQuill | I am having trouble running BitTorrent - what do I need to run it? |
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| 21:22.37 | Seb | so, keyloggers or no keyloggers in Dell laptops ? :> |
| 21:22.42 | Seb | OldakQuill: a BT client ? |
| 21:22.47 | __zao__ | tcsetattr: ah ok. and what process is responsible for removing entries on logout? |
| 21:22.49 | bigbill52a | the fascists are trying to conform the entire world into the new world order... |
| 21:22.51 | Seb | OldakQuill: and an internet conenction is useful too |
| 21:22.56 | OldakQuill | Yeah |
| 21:23.02 | pipeline | Seb, MobyTurbo, valdyn : http://www.google.com/search?q=aaron+kilner :) |
| 21:23.05 | Seb | __zao__: init ? |
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| 21:23.19 | Seb | pipeline: so we too can get flagged by DHS ? :> |
| 21:23.20 | OldakQuill | Are there any easy-to-install BT clients available via apt-get |
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| 21:23.35 | pipeline | OldakQuill: just install the regular bit torrent client. |
| 21:23.52 | pipeline | OldakQuill: "bittorrent-gui" |
| 21:23.59 | __zao__ | seb: ok. but what could have done, that init screwed up? |
| 21:24.00 | OldakQuill | I need, like glib, GTK, Pango, etc? |
| 21:24.06 | pipeline | OldakQuill: It'll handle all that crap for you. |
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| 21:24.20 | pipeline | OldakQuill: If you install the "bittorrent" package without the "-gui" it has a curses client -- "btlaunchmanycurses" |
| 21:24.21 | Seb | __zao__: pardon me ? |
| 21:24.40 | Seb | pipeline: i'm telling you, this guy *needs* the GUI :> |
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| 21:25.05 | pipeline | Seb: Either way, it should "just work" when he double clicks on a file in his file manager of choice |
| 21:25.12 | __zao__ | seb: my 'who' tells me that i got ~ 100 users logged in. these are all my logins from the past days. they never got removed for whatever reason. |
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| 21:25.18 | __zao__ | i am looking for that reason |
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| 21:25.37 | Eulex | __zao__, checked the bts? |
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| 21:25.43 | Seb | __zao__: do those users still have processes running ? |
| 21:25.55 | __zao__ | eulex: bts? |
| 21:25.56 | SJr|Tecra | Debian no longer supports, 80386... |
| 21:25.59 | SJr|Tecra | thats uncalled for |
| 21:26.02 | SJr|Tecra | now what I do with this box? |
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| 21:26.05 | __zao__ | seb: no, i login then logout. |
| 21:26.11 | __zao__ | still the entry is there |
| 21:26.13 | Eulex | !tell __zao__ about bts |
| 21:26.14 | znx | SJr|Tecra: fishtank? |
| 21:26.17 | znx | :P |
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| 21:26.53 | Seb | __zao__: rootkit ? |
| 21:26.55 | bucky | SJr|Tecra, run woody |
| 21:27.12 | pmak | how can i delete a route enter? i've tried roude del ip_number but i get 'SIOCDELRT: No such process' |
| 21:27.14 | znx | !tell znx about bts |
| 21:27.28 | Seb | Eulex: unless youcan tell him what package this might be related too, this BTS-type of answer is pretty useless |
| 21:27.32 | gtigene_ | apt-get keeps giving me errors like "Couldn't stat source pakcage list ftp://non-us.debian.org..." I have already done "apt-get update". Is there something else I should do? |
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| 21:27.42 | __zao__ | seb: you know one that has these symptoms? _could_ be .. |
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| 21:27.50 | Eulex | SJr|Tecra, afaik, debian still supports 386 |
| 21:27.50 | Seb | pmak: route del 1.2.3.0/24 or something |
| 21:27.53 | bucky | maybe you could optimize with gentoo for 80386 |
| 21:27.57 | Eulex | Seb: oh, that's true |
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| 21:28.11 | valdyn | Eulex: the kernel doesnt |
| 21:28.19 | bucky | that would be a long compile |
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| 21:28.35 | Eulex | valdyn: then why is there a kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386? |
| 21:28.47 | cddesjar | do you need to do apt-get setup |
| 21:28.53 | pmak | Seb this dont work, looks like this cmd is wrong.. |
| 21:28.57 | valdyn | Eulex: thats the instruction set its optimised for, not a real 386 cpu |
| 21:29.08 | praha1 | debian wiki is slashdotted ? |
| 21:29.13 | Eulex | valdyn: oh |
| 21:29.14 | pmak | seb i've tried route del 192.168.0.0/255 |
| 21:29.25 | Seb | pmak: obvisouly /255 makes no fucking sense at all |
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| 21:29.27 | valdyn | Eulex: you could file a bug report that that naming isnt accurate |
| 21:29.35 | SJr|Tecra | Eulex "True "80386" CPUs are no longer supported by sarge. This does not affect any CPUs that are compatible with "80486" CPUs or above." |
| 21:29.37 | pmak | seb i've tried the /24 too |
| 21:29.41 | Seb | pmak: /x where 0 =< x =< 24 |
| 21:29.46 | Eulex | valdyn: yeah, that's a good idea |
| 21:29.47 | Seb | pmak: it's not about trying them all, dude |
| 21:29.54 | remmy_ | can someone help me install a game? ive downloaded unreal tourny |
| 21:30.00 | Seb | pmak: it's about trying the one representing the ourte you acgaully wanna delete |
| 21:30.03 | Seb | route |
| 21:30.06 | Seb | actually |
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| 21:30.43 | valdyn | pmak: you dont need to specify a mask to delete a route |
| 21:30.55 | nvz | well I am all installed, I wonder now how easy it really is to resize my LVM partitions when the time comes :P |
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| 21:31.07 | praha1 | remmy_: you should try a debian provided simple 3D games to make sure your setup is ok (and 3d at full speed) |
| 21:31.13 | icyfire0573 | im having a problem logging into my computer as a non root user (from ssh) it constantly says that "System bootup is in progress - please wait", im quite sure it has finished booting, how do i fix this |
| 21:31.15 | cddesjar | is anyone using etch? |
| 21:31.39 | Eulex | !tell cddesjar about poll |
| 21:31.41 | praha1 | cddesjar: what is the issue ? |
| 21:31.42 | Eulex | of course |
| 21:31.47 | pmak | valdyn im not, im trying route del 192.168.0.0, but this dont work, and there is no ordering in the route -n cmd |
| 21:31.49 | remmy_ | praha1, ive installed the unreal demo... works fine, all my drivers are installed |
| 21:32.23 | valdyn | pmak: paste the line you want removed |
| 21:32.28 | cddesjar | i don't have an issue |
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| 21:32.32 | valdyn | pmak: the line of "route" |
| 21:32.46 | praha1 | remmy_: well so you just need to upgrade the game install , was there a problem ? |
| 21:33.04 | pmak | valdyn i dont have X here, what should i look for? |
| 21:33.04 | Eulex | cddesjar, then why are you asking? of course many are using etch |
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| 21:33.11 | pmak | hm |
| 21:33.17 | drasko_ | hi all. do anyone know a good ascii art editor? |
| 21:33.21 | goron | Is it a known problem for GMail not accepting RAR-files? |
| 21:33.22 | praha1 | pmak:apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 21:33.23 | valdyn | pmak: type "route" and paste the route you want removed |
| 21:33.30 | icyfire0573 | im having a problem logging into my computer as a non root user (from ssh) it constantly says that "System bootup is in progress - please wait", im quite sure it has finished booting, how do i fix this |
| 21:33.49 | praha1 | oups sorry OT |
| 21:34.03 | Eulex | drasko_, apt-cache search ascii art? |
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| 21:34.39 | pmak | valdyn i have an entry like '192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 eth0' |
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| 21:35.17 | zepeuga | how can i see what daemons i'm running in start ? |
| 21:35.37 | icyfire0573 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.43 | praha1 | zepeuga: the easiest tool is rcconf |
| 21:35.43 | icyfire0573 | zepeuga: |
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| 21:36.24 | drasko_ | Eulex, tnx |
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| 21:37.07 | valdyn | pmak: ifdown eth0 will remove this and then bring it up with the proper network and mask |
| 21:37.08 | pmak | valdyn when i try to remove this line i get a 'no such process' error |
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| 21:37.22 | pmak | ahh |
| 21:37.25 | liberion | hey guys whats a good program to build spreadsheetsd |
| 21:37.25 | pmak | let me try |
| 21:37.45 | icyfire0573 | liberion: gnumeric, (gtk) |
| 21:38.04 | pipeline | liberion: gnumeric is very nice, but has very few features. There's also oocalc (part of openoffice.org) which has many features, but absolutely sucks to use. |
| 21:38.06 | icyfire0573 | liberion: kspread (qt) |
| 21:38.06 | valdyn | pmak: its not an added route, its your interfaces settings ( whatever the proper technical wording might be ) |
| 21:38.09 | praha1 | liberion: simple sheet , fast program -> gnumeric/koffice , advanced sheet memory hog -> openoffice |
| 21:38.17 | Pimpi | i'm searching for an app to create a 5 seconds wav file with a single note. any idea which app i want? |
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| 21:38.30 | pmak | valdyn no, i've manually added it... |
| 21:38.33 | pipeline | Pimpi: timidity? :P |
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| 21:38.49 | pipeline | Pimpi: It would be easiest to create a MIDI file that does that |
| 21:38.54 | pipeline | Pimpi: then record the MIDI file being played |
| 21:38.57 | valdyn | pmak: manually changed it maybe.. |
| 21:39.15 | liberion | thanx guys!!! |
| 21:39.20 | pmak | valdyn something is wrong, i can see the eth0 interface in the ifconfig cmd, but when i try a ifdown eth0 i get 'interface eth0 not configured' |
| 21:39.36 | Pimpi | pipeline: yeah, probably. thank you |
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| 21:39.49 | icyfire0573 | pmak: try just doing ifconfig eth0 down and see if it goes away |
| 21:39.57 | praha1 | Pimpi: rosegarden (stable though advancved), muse (unstable, easier) ... though you need to setup midi before and it can be tricky if your sound card does not have a synthetiser |
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| 21:40.20 | icyfire0573 | im having a problem logging into my computer as a non root user (from ssh) it constantly says that "System bootup is in progress - please wait", im quite sure it has finished booting, how do i fix this |
| 21:40.23 | pmak | icyfire0573 yes, i did it and worked, but the ifdown if not the same as ifconfig ethx down? |
| 21:40.24 | praha1 | solfege is the easiest tool to test your midi setup |
| 21:40.29 | valdyn | pmak: maybe b/c you didnt use this framework to bring it up in the first place, 'ifconfig eth0 down' instead |
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| 21:40.47 | pipeline | Pimpi: I think timidity will render a MIDI file to a wav on disk without having to fool around with the sound devices |
| 21:40.48 | valdyn | pmak: man interfaces |
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| 21:41.02 | icyfire0573 | pmak: ifdown and ifup are in init.d right, they are boot scripts for starting them, and ifconfig is to directly control them once your in the system |
| 21:41.12 | Pimpi | pipeline, praha1: ty |
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| 21:41.13 | pmak | valdyn the route item was recreated... |
| 21:41.26 | pmak | icyfire0573 ahh, thanks =] |
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| 21:41.54 | valdyn | pmak: after your brought the interface down? |
| 21:41.59 | pipeline | Pimpi: Also, rosegarden isn't that hard to use, it's just a pain in the ass to get midi keyboards and stuff set up. If you're doing something simple, no problems |
| 21:42.05 | xnp | how can I disable "portmap"?, is it a requirement for debian to run ? |
| 21:42.07 | praha1 | icyfire0573: please don't repeat ... this is weird i guess nobody knows what could have happened that s why nobody answered :( , though we could help you find out : does it works if you start sshd by hand ? |
| 21:42.18 | pmak | valdyn then it was gone, when i brought up it was recreated... |
| 21:42.39 | gtigene_ | When someone talks to me about "kernel headers" are they referring to the checksums that get attached to the kernel symbols? |
| 21:42.39 | valdyn | pmak: bring it up with the settings you want... |
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| 21:42.57 | ohad | my mouse is going nuts on my screen...ideas why? |
| 21:43.06 | praha1 | Pimpi: you might want to look at the agnula project and its livecd so you don't have to bother tweaking your debian for only a one time use |
| 21:43.18 | icyfire0573 | praha1: i keep repeating it in what i thought was a useful delay time, sorry about that, anyway, i restarted the ssh dameon and still couldn't login, i dont know if this is a big deal or not because its a remote box so i dont know if people can log in locally |
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| 21:43.41 | znx | ohad: laptop? |
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| 21:43.43 | sith-R2D2 | how to set my PSAD and iptables to accept incoming SSH connections? PSAD keeps rejecting attempts to SSH into my debian box from my winxp machine |
| 21:43.51 | pmak | valdyn the problem is that this is a gateway machine and i want to route all packs from 192.168.0.x to the eth1 which is the internet interface, but this entry is redirecting the 192.168.0.x packages to the eth0 interface, which is the intranet interface.. |
| 21:44.10 | praha1 | icyfire0573: what s strange is you get a message, either sshd is up and respond or it is not and you get nothing back :-/ |
| 21:44.14 | valdyn | pmak: read the manpage to ifconfig or stop using this lower lvl tool and read 'man interface' |
| 21:44.18 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: i dont know what PSAD is, but does it have an accept line for port 22? |
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| 21:44.47 | pmak | valdyn hmm, ok, i will read man interface |
| 21:44.49 | pmak | val thanks |
| 21:44.52 | icyfire0573 | praha1: i get to log in as root, but if i log in as a regular user it says "Hey im booting here come back later" (in obviously different words) |
| 21:44.54 | paulswm | !wb simonrvn |
| 21:44.55 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! simonrvn has returned! |
| 21:45.01 | pmak | val no entry for it |
| 21:45.06 | pmak | valdyn |
| 21:45.12 | valdyn | pmak: eh? |
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| 21:45.31 | exerd | is it hard to connect to internet wirelessly with debian? |
| 21:45.34 | valdyn | !find interfaces.5.gz |
| 21:45.36 | pmak | valdyn nothing.. =] |
| 21:45.38 | pipeline | exerd: Yes. |
| 21:45.43 | icyfire0573 | exerd: no |
| 21:45.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'interfaces.5.gz' (2): (/usr/share/man/man5/interfaces.5.gz) in base/ifupdown ;; (/usr/share/man/man5/vlan-interfaces.5.gz) in misc/vlan. |
| 21:45.51 | pipeline | exerd: Most wireless cards don't work with linux. |
| 21:45.58 | praha1 | icyfire0573: is the sshd config the debian default ? |
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| 21:46.16 | valdyn | pmak: how can you not have ifupdown installed? |
| 21:46.16 | simonrvn | paulswm: :) |
| 21:46.25 | icyfire0573 | praha1: yes, i believe it is, or mostly, how can i get the default to diff against? |
| 21:46.27 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - well...how do i check to see if a ssh server daemon running in the first place (PSAD = port scan attack detector) |
| 21:46.46 | Eulex | exerd: depends on your nic |
| 21:46.49 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573: i guess my more basic question is ...how do i get a ssh daemon set on my debian box so i can ssh into it? |
| 21:46.55 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: you'd have to have access to the box, then your could run ps aux |grep ssh to check it |
| 21:46.56 | exerd | pipeline, ohh what cards work then? |
| 21:47.09 | Eulex | exerd: and your definition of "hard" |
| 21:47.10 | icyfire0573 | exerd: there is a whole compatibility list somewhere |
| 21:47.25 | praha1 | sith-R2D2: "Shields Up" is a good web portscan |
| 21:47.28 | concept10 | any mac owners in here |
| 21:47.29 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - i'm sitting right next to the debian box |
| 21:47.48 | pmak | valdyn i dont know it...it will be usefull for me? |
| 21:48.05 | exerd | oh i thought linux supported almost every nic |
| 21:48.12 | ohad | znx, nope. desktop. the mouse is just going nuts. it runs all over the place |
| 21:48.35 | znx | ohad: what kind of mouse.. i had this usb once.. did that too me |
| 21:48.47 | praha1 | sith-R2D2: mostly apt-get install openssh-server |
| 21:48.58 | pmak | valdyn how can i point the gateway option of the ifconfig to the eth1 interface? i want to tell to my eth0 interface to redirect the traffic that comes from her to the eth1.. |
| 21:49.01 | Eulex | exerd: it does, but some may be harder than others to use |
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| 21:49.12 | icyfire0573 | exerd: there is a whole compatibility at http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz |
| 21:49.16 | sith-R2D2 | praha1 - does debian come already equipped with an ssh server?? |
| 21:49.19 | praha1 | exerd: it does but not all driver are free software so they cannot be shipped with debian |
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| 21:49.22 | sith-R2D2 | praha1 - why would i need to isntall another one? |
| 21:49.43 | praha1 | sith-R2D2: no the ssh server is not part of the base install |
| 21:49.43 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: i think ssh needs to be installed, debian is really minimalist to start with (i think) |
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| 21:50.06 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - i have three "ssh" grepped - /usr/sbin/sshd, ssh-agent x-session-manager, and of course "grep ssh" lol |
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| 21:50.30 | sith-R2D2 | praha1: are there other options for ssh servers aside from openssh (the blwofish)? |
| 21:50.33 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: so ssh is definatly up |
| 21:50.42 | Eulex | sith-R2D2, dropbear |
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| 21:50.50 | toonX | i don't get it guys, why is there an xwine ( graphical interface for wine ) for 64 bit and no wine for 64 bit, since xwine can't function without wine |
| 21:50.52 | __zao__ | seb: ok seems not to be a rootkit. i md5sumed /bin/login from a clean boot. |
| 21:50.52 | zepeuga | why non-us gives error ? |
| 21:50.59 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573: i already installed tightvnc-server...does it put Ssh on there automagically? |
| 21:51.00 | praha1 | sith-R2D2: there are but openssh is the only debian compliant i know of |
| 21:51.01 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: can you nmap your box from localhost and get confirmation that its open at port 22 |
| 21:51.07 | Seb | __zao__: ? |
| 21:51.07 | Eulex | !topicsmite zepeuga |
| 21:51.08 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon zepeuga. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:51.09 | sith-R2D2 | praha1 - AH! :) |
| 21:51.10 | streuner_ | !topicsmite zepeuga |
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| 21:51.24 | Seb | __zao__: well /bin/login could be a culprit, but what about a kernel rootkit ? |
| 21:51.41 | zepeuga | yes, but why has ended ? |
| 21:51.55 | Eulex | zepeuga, it's not needed anymore |
| 21:51.58 | mikaEL` | is there a deb package for SKYPE ?? |
| 21:52.04 | penguin | So testing is no longer Sarge? |
| 21:52.06 | pmak | there is any tool to auto config an network interface? |
| 21:52.19 | zepeuga | whats the name of testing now ? |
| 21:52.23 | nvz | mikaEL`: look on the skype website, its not free, therefore cannot be in debian |
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| 21:52.25 | streuner_ | !etch |
| 21:52.25 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases>, or etch the new testing branch of debian |
| 21:52.30 | paulswm | *sigh* testing is etch. |
| 21:52.36 | zOap | anyone have any experience with mpg321 and playlists? -@ gives me error : no file and -- gives me decoding finished and then nothing,...I use xmms or beep to create the playlists, both m3u and pls won't work... |
| 21:52.39 | penguin | etch? |
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| 21:52.40 | nvz | pmak: like DHCP? |
| 21:52.46 | penguin | What kind of name is that? |
| 21:53.04 | bucky | penguin, from toy story as usual |
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| 21:53.09 | pmak | nvz no, i want to config an intranet interface, the internet is ok |
| 21:53.12 | paulswm | If people actually looked at the debian web site, they'd see the release names and other relevant stuff. |
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| 21:53.31 | penguin | Potato Woody Sarge Etch |
| 21:53.37 | nvz | that makes no sense to me at all |
| 21:53.52 | jasoncohen | i'm trying to start wpasupplicant through ifup. i put pre-up /etc/init.d/wpasupplciant start in /etc/network/interfaces but it's not starting wpasupplicant. what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:53.52 | bucky | pmak, etherconf |
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| 21:53.57 | penguin | Never saw Toy story |
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| 21:54.09 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - ok...nmap shows i have ssh port 22 open |
| 21:54.15 | paulswm | penguin: You're missing a great movie. |
| 21:54.34 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - should i be configuring iptables to allow access to port 22 from the outside? |
| 21:54.53 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - when i nmap myself it doesn't regard the rules in iptables, eh? |
| 21:54.54 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: if you want to ssh into the box its probably a good idea :-) |
| 21:55.02 | Xuse | Toy story, i remember when it first came out in the cinema. I was supposed to go and see it but i was ill that day and my mum wouldn't let me go. =( |
| 21:55.17 | Eulex | Xuse, :( |
| 21:55.25 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: when you nmap yourself you use 127.0.0.1 (usually set ALL ACCEPT in iptables, when its external is 192.*.* or whatever) |
| 21:55.29 | xnp | again: is portmap necessary if the host is part of a network !?, if not how can I disabled even when my rc2.d is not calling it ??? |
| 21:55.52 | praha1 | sith-R2D2: use "shields up" to test the access |
| 21:55.57 | icyfire0573 | xnp: if rc2.d isn't calling it rcS.d probably is, but i dont know if its necessary |
| 21:55.57 | paulswm | Xuse: Gah, that makes me feel old. |
| 21:56.01 | praha1 | it is an internet site |
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| 21:56.09 | sith-R2D2 | praha1- you mean GIBSON's stuff? lol...ok |
| 21:56.14 | sith-R2D2 | praha1 - grc.org |
| 21:56.22 | amphi | praha1: the dread Gibson? :) |
| 21:56.23 | pmak | which app should i use to give ip addresses to my intranet machines? my network currently use a static ip number |
| 21:56.25 | jharrison | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:56.30 | sith-R2D2 | .com |
| 21:56.39 | icyfire0573 | pmak: i guess you could us dhcp3-server |
| 21:56.56 | nvz | pmak: you mean DHCP, ffs? |
| 21:56.57 | icyfire0573 | pmak: there isn't any reason to not use static numbers though, theyre real nice :-) |
| 21:57.00 | Xuse | I would of been 7 or 8 when toy story came out can't remember. |
| 21:57.04 | nvz | feels like I said that before |
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| 21:57.21 | praha1 | maybe :) at least it is fast |
| 21:57.23 | pmak | icyfire0573 every time that i plug a machine in the network i have to configure it... |
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| 21:57.44 | ohad | znx, what did you do with the mouse>? |
| 21:57.51 | bucky | pmak, etherconf |
| 21:57.52 | Eulex | Xuse: then you're roughly the same age as I am |
| 21:57.56 | paulswm | I was 44 when Toy Story came out, see what I mean? |
| 21:58.02 | icyfire0573 | pmak: how often do you do this? i have a stable home network which is why i go w/ static i can set names in the hosts files and such |
| 21:58.05 | pmak | bucky thanks...i will try it |
| 21:58.07 | Eulex | paulswm, hehe |
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| 21:58.22 | Xuse | pualswm =/ |
| 21:58.24 | paulswm | !geezersmite Xuse |
| 21:58.28 | bucky | penguin, which version of debian are you running? |
| 21:58.29 | paulswm | :P |
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| 21:58.32 | __zao__ | Seb: yes could be, i have to investigate further. i run 'checkrootkit' every once i an while. but could be a unkown .. |
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| 21:58.37 | pmak | icyfire0573 there is any problem with dhcp ips? or only that i cant set names for it? |
| 21:58.39 | znx | ohad: unfortunately i binned it :( and got new |
| 21:58.39 | toonX | if i recently upgraded from 64 bit sarge stable to 64 bit etch testing , can i use now both repositoryes ? the ones from stable sarge and the new ones from etch ? |
| 21:58.50 | Triffid_Hunter | hehe i have dhcp set up, but all the in-house computers are static except housemate's wintel lappy |
| 21:59.15 | icyfire0573 | pmak: i think in a stable setting its suggested to be static (may just be something i read somewhere and i like it) but there is absolutly nothing wrong with dhcp |
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| 21:59.51 | paulswm | toonX: If you've upgraded to testing, you shouldn't be using stable repositories |
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| 21:59.59 | bucky | pmak, you can do what ever you want with dhcp if you edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 22:00.07 | nvz | toonX: thats mixing, and if you mix, you arent using debian |
| 22:00.16 | ohad | znx, how did you resolve the problem with a new mouse? |
| 22:00.16 | Triffid_Hunter | depends on need icyfire0573.. if you have a bunch of computers all talking to one another, static is handy as hell, though if you've one server and a bunch of nodes, there's not much difference between dhcp and static |
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| 22:00.30 | toonX | paulswm ok, got it, so anyway is there wine for 64bit ? |
| 22:00.36 | cddesjar | my understanding is that if you mix and match between stable and testing, stable and unstable, and so on...that you're likely to encounter some serious issues |
| 22:00.44 | znx | ohad: the new mouse didnt have the problem :) |
| 22:00.49 | bucky | penguin, have you ever seen an etch-a-sketch ? |
| 22:00.53 | Eulex | Triffid_Hunter, you can make a router remember what ips different computers should have |
| 22:01.06 | icyfire0573 | good point Triffid_Hunter, like i said though home network, (plus i didn't have to worry about configuring a dhcp server, like i did for another place i set up |
| 22:01.08 | paulswm | cddesjar: Yes, that is virtually certain, and they aren't always easy to sort out |
| 22:01.12 | Eulex | I have done so |
| 22:01.32 | nvz | cddesjar: issues that nobody in the debian community wants to hear about. we like debian policy, and none of it applies to mixed distros this includes live distros that are debian based |
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| 22:01.44 | Triffid_Hunter | Eulex: i don't have a router, i have a bunch of servers ;) its basically just adding static entries into the dhcp table, very easy to do |
| 22:02.26 | cddesjar | apparently testing is the best distribution to be using for a workstation |
| 22:02.33 | tarzeau | jharrison: still? |
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| 22:02.55 | Eulex | Triffid_Hunter, this allows me to use dhcp on "foreign" computers and having them automatically configured, while still having static ips on those that are always here |
| 22:02.59 | Whisky_ | anyone here from Kuala Lampur Malaysia? Where can I get CD's for all Distributions of Linux ? |
| 22:03.02 | jharrison | tarzeau: still what |
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| 22:03.10 | Triffid_Hunter | Eulex: that happens here too |
| 22:03.11 | toonX | paulswm or can i download from debian packages the i386 wine package and using the /emul/ia32-linux libraries to run it? |
| 22:03.21 | tarzeau | jharrison: play? |
| 22:03.26 | Eulex | Triffid_Hunter, ok |
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| 22:03.27 | paulswm | cddesjar: Yes, you are correct. sarge is OK at the moment, but testing will stay up to date for a minor increase of risk |
| 22:03.27 | drac | Whisky_: From Internet. |
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| 22:03.33 | pahleon2 | hello |
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| 22:03.44 | Whisky_ | drac: Im talking about shops in Kuala Lampur Malaysia. |
| 22:03.46 | phanter | hello, I've an ISA SB64 Gold soundcard. I used isapnp to get some info and redicted the info to a file. What do I have to do now (i cannot find this in google)? |
| 22:03.48 | ecobit | i noticed that suddenly all of the major web browsers have removed the "save with images" option what is going on? |
| 22:03.48 | FarrisG | Do you HAVE to use an smp kernel to take advantage of a dual proc machine? |
| 22:03.52 | jharrison | tarzeau: sure |
| 22:03.53 | praha1 | icyfire0573: are you sure the message does not comes from setup in the sshd_config file ? |
| 22:03.55 | Eulex | Whisky_, why would you want all distros when you can get debian? :) |
| 22:04.00 | cddesjar | paulswm: how much of a risk? i use my debian for home and school use |
| 22:04.02 | Eulex | FarrisG, yes |
| 22:04.22 | paulswm | toonX: I don't know why you're asking me. I don't use wine. |
| 22:04.27 | Whisky_ | ulex: Debian is my priority, getting all CD's is my hobby and love for Linux :) |
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| 22:04.39 | icyfire0573 | praha1: definatly sure, this issue cropped up about two power outages ago, and the server has had no other problems in the last year, and i can think of nothing that has changed except for some update or something like that |
| 22:04.41 | toonX | paulswm that's no excuse :P |
| 22:04.46 | pahleon2 | think I got a probleme with sarge , after 15 or 20 minute of use the system crash |
| 22:04.52 | praha1 | phanter: alsaconf should take care of everything |
| 22:04.58 | pmak | what i must route to have my internal intranet machines to navigate in the web using my gateway? i've set the gateway ip in the clients, but something must be wrong in the gateway, the internal clients cant ping any ip outside the intranet... |
| 22:05.00 | toonX | paulswm i was just wondering if it's possible to emulate an emulator :) |
| 22:05.13 | Eulex | toonX, o'course |
| 22:05.17 | praha1 | icyfire0573: the thing is that i cannot find a string about "booting" in the sshd_server binary |
| 22:05.20 | toonX | Eulex cool |
| 22:05.27 | dareth | yes, but each time you emulate you lose performance because of overhead. |
| 22:05.35 | toonX | Eulex thank |
| 22:05.36 | Eulex | dareth, true |
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| 22:05.45 | paulswm | cddesjar: I have run testing on a workstation for years with few problems. You have to do your own risk assessment, really. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-testing |
| 22:05.46 | pahleon2 | i thought it is the memory I got 2 stick of 512 mo |
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| 22:05.58 | icyfire0573 | praha1: its just through ssh that i see the problem, i guess it could be a login problem (because you try to login through ssh) |
| 22:06.02 | praha1 | icyfire0573: maybe a pam thing you could take a look at /etc/pam.d/ssh |
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| 22:06.17 | icyfire0573 | praha1: alright, gimme a couple of mins and ill get back to you |
| 22:06.21 | concept10 | im trying to change values in some files located /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq I have used echo and text editor, the values will not change! What gives? |
| 22:06.23 | Triffid_Hunter | pmak: you need to set up masquerading in your gateway's iptables |
| 22:06.28 | Eulex | toonX, if you emulate something you need roughly 10x the cpu power... so to emulate an emulator you need about 100x the cpu power.... |
| 22:06.33 | praha1 | icyfire0573: could not , root or other users are logged the same way :( |
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| 22:06.47 | toonX | Eulex that's funny |
| 22:06.57 | Whisky_ | according to sources, Preloaded Linux PC's outsell Windos 70 to 30 |
| 22:07.02 | Eulex | toonX, that's reality |
| 22:07.08 | Triffid_Hunter | hehe so you should be able to squared-emulate a gameboy ;) |
| 22:07.10 | pmak | Triffid_Hunter hmm, i dont have even the iptables =] let me set it up |
| 22:07.10 | phanter | alsaconf tells me it cannot find any supported PnP or PCI cards. THen it asks if I would like to probe legacy ISA sound cards/chips. What to do? should I probe? |
| 22:07.28 | toonX | Eulex so, would it work on my amd64 bit Athlon 3200 + ? any ideas ? |
| 22:07.31 | shingouz | phanter: why not |
| 22:07.32 | gtigene_ | How can I give apt-get the latest list of sources? |
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| 22:07.38 | paulswm | toonX: Don't know, but I used Citrix ICA Client to execute Windows Remote Desktop to connect to my office PC, then from there tunnelled vnc through ssh back to the PC I started from, and at that point entered an alternate reality :P |
| 22:07.39 | Eulex | toonX: what would work? |
| 22:07.40 | cddesjar | apt-get update |
| 22:07.41 | Triffid_Hunter | phanter: alsaconf doesn't detect my card either, even though it works just fine without alsaconf seeing it |
| 22:07.50 | pmak | Triffid_Hunter masquerading is a pkg? or only a config of iptables? |
| 22:07.56 | shingouz | gtigene_ what do you mean? what is in your sources.list then |
| 22:08.00 | Triffid_Hunter | pmak: its a target |
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| 22:08.04 | phanter | Triffid_Hunter, do you have a SB 64? |
| 22:08.04 | icyfire0573 | praha1: i dont know if its a local problem, and i assume root gets to login because hes root, which is nice |
| 22:08.13 | toonX | Eulex if my cpu can handle such thing |
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| 22:08.28 | Triffid_Hunter | phanter: nope, nforce2 soundstorm audio (intel8x0 module) |
| 22:08.30 | Eulex | toonX, what are you trying to emulate |
| 22:08.33 | Eulex | ? |
| 22:08.39 | toonX | paulswm cool answer |
| 22:08.43 | gtigene_ | shingouz: After I do apt-get update I still get lots of messages about "Cannot stat source package...". Is there something else I should do? |
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| 22:08.46 | toonX | Eulex emulate wine |
| 22:08.48 | Triffid_Hunter | phanter: see if alsamixer can see it, and if the volume is on/up ;) |
| 22:08.52 | shingouz | concept10: afaik you cannot change them |
| 22:08.55 | icyfire0573 | praha1: the only reason in /etc/pam.d/ssh to disallow logins (for non root users) is for /etc/nologin, which is non-existant |
| 22:08.55 | toonX | Eulex since there is no wine for 64 bit |
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| 22:09.10 | praha1 | icyfire0573: nope there is no differences between login as root or user ... else than what could be in $HOME/.ssh/config |
| 22:09.11 | binaryc | soundtest gives me ouput out of all the of my speakers, but applications don't use the satalites, what do i have setup wrong / |
| 22:09.17 | Eulex | toonX: umh? emulate wine in what emulator? |
| 22:09.20 | shingouz | gtigene_ i do not know what you have in the sources.list, paste it in #flood so i can read it |
| 22:09.47 | gtigene_ | shingouz: OK. |
| 22:09.54 | gtigene_ | shigouz: Just a minute. |
| 22:09.54 | icyfire0573 | praha1: alright, ill have to look more into this in google, thanks for the assist though |
| 22:09.56 | toonX | Eulex emulate it using teh /emul/ia32-linux libraries |
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| 22:10.15 | Eulex | toonX: wine does just emulate system calls, depending on what you are gonna run you might not need 100x more cpu, rather 20-50x |
| 22:10.22 | Whisky_ | what version is Sarge, 3.0 r3 ? |
| 22:10.34 | dareth | 3.1 is sarge |
| 22:10.36 | shingouz | Whisky_: stable (3.1) |
| 22:10.48 | Eulex | toonX: never heard, that thing may be quite fast, and then you'd not need much more cpu... |
| 22:10.54 | Whisky_ | shingouz: Hardly available at any store. |
| 22:10.58 | ohad | does anyone know how to fix the situation when my mouse just goes crazy all of the screen?> |
| 22:11.08 | shingouz | Whisky_: you want to install sarge then? |
| 22:11.19 | praha1 | ohad: using gpm ? |
| 22:11.25 | Whisky_ | shingouz: Its stable, yes |
| 22:11.26 | Eulex | ohad: we could tell it to stop doing that? |
| 22:11.26 | shingouz | Whisky_: how fast of a connection do you have? |
| 22:11.27 | icyfire0573 | praha1: apparently the /etc/init.d/rmnologin script is no longer being run... and not running it is the source of the problem |
| 22:11.46 | Whisky_ | shingouz: Dialup, thats why I asked for the CD's :s |
| 22:11.46 | ecobit | ohad: maybe run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select a different mouse type |
| 22:11.53 | Eulex | ohad: please be more specific |
| 22:11.54 | gtigene_ | shingouz: OK I went to #flood and pasted it. Thanks for looking at it. |
| 22:12.11 | Eulex | !tell ohad about smart questions |
| 22:12.14 | all2slow | Does Debian 3.1 run on the HP Pavillion ? |
| 22:12.16 | dareth | One day I might run Sarge on my servers... changed my sources.list to say woody instead of stable |
| 22:12.23 | shingouz | Whisky_: that wouls be a problem... unless you can get a faster connection for a while, just grab the dvd's and burn them |
| 22:12.28 | shingouz | alindeman: laptop? |
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| 22:12.34 | praha1 | icyfire0573: so if you rm /etc/nologin it s fixed ? |
| 22:12.40 | Whisky_ | shingouz: k |
| 22:12.57 | phanter | all2slow, why not? |
| 22:12.59 | toonX | Eulex like, i have this game that is only for 32 bit, but ldd on it's executable show's it is using those /emul/ia32-linux/ since my kernel has 32 bit compatibility, so i took a guess if wine could work the same way |
| 22:13.01 | Whisky_ | ok im off |
| 22:13.03 | ecobit | ohad: you can also install mdetect |
| 22:13.03 | Whisky_ | bye |
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| 22:13.08 | shingouz | gtigene_: you are not running debian but mepis. ask #mepis |
| 22:13.15 | sith-R2D2 | all2slow - yes, if you install it on it |
| 22:13.18 | Eulex | toonX: it should... |
| 22:13.37 | icyfire0573 | praha1: no, there is a script /etc/init.d/rmnologin, that needs to be run, its in rc2.d/S99rmnologin, but it wasn't being run, i ran it manually and its good to go now, the file /etc/nologin did not exist when i checked for it so i dont know what was going on there |
| 22:13.39 | toonX | Eulex k i'll tell you if it does |
| 22:13.50 | gtigene_ | shingouz: How can I get the Debian distro? I thought Mepis _was_ a Debian distro. |
| 22:14.00 | toonX | Eulex i'm wonderin if im the first trying to do this scheme :) |
| 22:14.01 | ecobit | interesting, mdetect says the trackpoint on this thinkpad is an intellimouse |
| 22:14.09 | shingouz | gtigene_ mepis is mepis. if you want to run debian /msg dpkg d-i |
| 22:14.12 | nvz | gtigene_: no it is not. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 22:14.13 | all2slow | phanter, that's why I ask. |
| 22:14.23 | icyfire0573 | gtigene_ it may be A debina distro, but debian.org is THE debian distro, the others are just derivatives |
| 22:14.27 | Eulex | !tell gtigene about mepis |
| 22:14.29 | phanter | all2slow, i am pretty sure it will work |
| 22:14.32 | shingouz | gtigene_ you need to install debian from scratch, not with some mepis cd |
| 22:14.48 | shingouz | all2slow: is that a lptop? |
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| 22:15.00 | phanter | praha1, after probing I get an empty message box (without message) and just a OK button ?!? |
| 22:15.12 | all2slow | shingouz: no, inexpensive desktop |
| 22:15.15 | toonX | Eulex nah it's stuuuupid! i get this if i try to install it , package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 22:15.15 | Eulex | toonX, probably not |
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| 22:15.39 | shingouz | all2slow: ide and intel or amd cpu? debian should be able to run on it |
| 22:15.43 | sith-R2D2 | question: will apt-get prevent me from installing unkosher Debian packages? or at least warn me? |
| 22:15.53 | toonX | Eulex thanks for the patience :) |
| 22:15.55 | Guerin | toonX: you need a chroot |
| 22:15.59 | gtigene_ | shingouz: How can I install Debian from scratch? The only thing I know is to use ftp to get a CD image, burn a CD and boot to it. |
| 22:15.59 | praha1 | phanter: do you use a 2.6 kernel or a 2.4 kernel with alsa-modules pacakge installed ? |
| 22:16.08 | Eulex | toonX: I dunno... you may have to fool with apt-get for that... man apt-get |
| 22:16.24 | phanter | praha1, 2.6 kernel and I have the alsamodules installed |
| 22:16.26 | shingouz | gtigene_ did you message dpkg about the installer? |
| 22:16.30 | toonX | Guerin like chrooting into an 32 bit enviroment ? and how to do that ? |
| 22:16.30 | shingouz | evidently not |
| 22:16.37 | shingouz | !tell gtigene_ about d-i |
| 22:16.37 | phanter | Alsamixer tells me: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 22:16.41 | gtigene_ | shingouz: sorry, i will do that now. |
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| 22:17.00 | bigbill52a | for those a who dont know....telinit 1 shuts down xwindows and puts you in single user mode...telinit 2 returns you to xwindows... |
| 22:17.04 | toonX | Guerin chroot in that /emul/ia32-linux directory ? |
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| 22:17.33 | toonX | Guerin or not |
| 22:17.38 | nvz | bigbill52a: no, it returns you to runlevel 2 which may or may not return you to xwindows |
| 22:17.39 | bigbill52a | a fast exit |
| 22:17.49 | Guerin | toonX: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30095/16/Debian-amd64-HOWTO.html |
| 22:17.53 | znx | my x is 5 |
| 22:17.58 | znx | not 2 |
| 22:17.59 | praha1 | phanter: well it is either 2.4 and the alsa module package "or" 2.6 kernel (which already ships the alsa modules). |
| 22:18.05 | bigbill52a | thanks |
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| 22:18.25 | nvz | in debian all runlevels are the same by default, and only way any of them will start X is if you use a display manager |
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| 22:18.33 | Guerin | znx: why'd you change it? |
| 22:18.36 | toonX | Guerin ok thanks |
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| 22:18.44 | Guerin | nvz: s/all/2-5/ |
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| 22:18.57 | Nexus | Just to be sure... If I'm not using NIS or NFS, I don't need portmap right? |
| 22:19.01 | nvz | sure. |
| 22:19.12 | bigbill52a | that helps me to better understand what i am doing...lol...killed another kitten |
| 22:19.13 | Guerin | nvz: 0, 1 and 6 are somewhat different |
| 22:19.20 | znx | Guerin: i have particular programs on tty that only run under certains levels |
| 22:19.38 | liberion | hey guys ive downloaded e17 cvs and inside code there is a debian folder now the old way i do things is configure && make && make install but is there an easy way to build packages in debian? |
| 22:19.41 | sith-R2D2 | question: will apt-get prevent me from installing unkosher Debian packages? or at least warn me? |
| 22:20.06 | phanter | praha1, oke, 2.6 and installed the alsa-mixer i.e. afterwards |
| 22:20.06 | znx | Nexus: portmap is used by famd and others |
| 22:20.10 | Guerin | liberion: if there's a debian/rules file, make it +x and run 'debian/rules binary' |
| 22:20.13 | bucky | sith-R2D2, which version of debian are you running? |
| 22:20.13 | znx | not just nis/nfs |
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| 22:20.16 | bigbill52a | 6 is reboot? |
| 22:20.18 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: you should be using aptitude, and what do you mean by unkosher, debs from the net or something else? |
| 22:20.22 | simonrvn | liberion: sure. fakeroot debian/rules binary. just make sure you have all the build deps first |
| 22:20.25 | Guerin | bigbill52a: yeah |
| 22:20.27 | znx | bigbill52a: yea |
| 22:20.40 | bigbill52a | telinit 1 is single user mode? |
| 22:20.43 | sith-R2D2 | bucky - sarge 2.6.8 stable kernel |
| 22:20.47 | znx | bigbill52a: yup |
| 22:20.50 | Nexus | znx, Hmm.. This is a basic webserver, nothing more. running apache, postgres. I'm gussing if I disable it and then a package needs it, it will let me know? |
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| 22:21.00 | bigbill52a | without network support? |
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| 22:21.17 | nvz | bigbill52a: of course |
| 22:21.22 | petiz | anyone german here? its would be more easy for me to describe my problem with debian in this language ;) |
| 22:21.34 | nvz | petiz: /j #debian-de |
| 22:21.35 | Nexus | Deutsch ist fur Frauen... |
| 22:21.41 | petiz | thx nvz |
| 22:21.42 | petiz | ^^ |
| 22:21.44 | znx | Nexus: yes id guess they would ;) |
| 22:21.47 | Guerin | Nexus: i don't believe either postgres or apache need famd |
| 22:21.49 | nvz | petiz: er #debian.de |
| 22:21.53 | bigbill52a | how would i go to text mode and still maintain network support...exit from xwindows...not switch by using f keys? |
| 22:22.07 | Nexus | Sweet. Thank you for clarifying for me. I didn't think I needed it but wanted another opinion. |
| 22:22.14 | Guerin | bigbill52a: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 22:22.17 | quittt | how do I read mail? |
| 22:22.20 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - well, sometimes i just type 'apt-get install <any ol package>' and my sarge proceeds to retrieve and install said package. i'm wondering if sarge verifies that such a package is ok to install on STABLE sarge |
| 22:22.21 | petemc | bigbill52a: huh? network is nothing to do with x |
| 22:22.24 | quittt | local mail |
| 22:22.29 | Guerin | quittt: with your eyes, most likely |
| 22:22.32 | petemc | quittt: mutt works |
| 22:22.45 | liberion | ohh waht are the compiler tools i can get with apt-get |
| 22:22.54 | Guerin | mmm, snickers |
| 22:22.54 | quittt | petemc, local mail |
| 22:22.55 | quittt | from root |
| 22:23.00 | nvz | liberion: build-essential |
| 22:23.01 | Eulex | liberion: gcc? dev packages? |
| 22:23.04 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: for the most part apt-get only gets from the default repositories, ie the ones you configured, so they are usually safe (because they are tested by debian) |
| 22:23.10 | Eulex | nvz: that too |
| 22:23.11 | petemc | quittt: you should have root aliased to a normal user |
| 22:23.21 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - so whut the big deal with "aptititude"? |
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| 22:23.25 | bigbill52a | there are no dumb questions..just dumb people...socrates |
| 22:23.27 | quittt | petemc, I want to del read email |
| 22:23.29 | liberion | nvz, thnx |
| 22:23.50 | Eulex | liberion: you need dev packages for the libraries the program you wanna compile needs |
| 22:23.57 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: debian created aptitude as the update for apt-get, i dont know the diffs, i just read thats what was supposed to be used and i do |
| 22:23.57 | nvz | liberion: we don't charge by the letter here, and vowels are free too |
| 22:24.14 | petemc | quittt: have you tried mutt? |
| 22:24.48 | bigbill52a | what about numbers? |
| 22:24.52 | quittt | petemc, ye |
| 22:25.03 | pmak | there is any tool to autoconfigure my network options? like maquerading, etc? |
| 22:25.20 | petemc | pmak: ipmasq will do the masquerading part |
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| 22:25.37 | icyfire0573 | pmak: there are some tools to assist you, like kmyfirewall and ipkungfoo (something like that) |
| 22:25.41 | nvz | bigbill52a: yeah, as a matter of fact, numbers cost $0.50USD/ea. so everytime you press enter and we see your nick, you own $1USD to freenode fundraiser |
| 22:25.52 | nvz | s/own/owe/ |
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| 22:26.08 | icyfire0573 | well, nvz your up to two dollars :-) |
| 22:26.10 | nvz | icyfire0573: on the other hand, has to pay $2USD everytime he speaks |
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| 22:26.17 | praha1 | phanter: does "modprobe snd-sbawe" works ? |
| 22:26.20 | icyfire0573 | damn ! :-) |
| 22:26.23 | bigbill52a | i am having a fundraiser for my businss..summer doldrums |
| 22:26.28 | quittt | can I delete base-config? |
| 22:26.30 | praha1 | the alsa page for this card is http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+64+Value.&chip=sb16%2C+emu8000&module=sbawe |
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| 22:26.44 | icyfire0573 | quittt: yes, if you want your computer to stop working |
| 22:26.49 | bigbill52a | plus i kill a kitten every time i laugh |
| 22:26.56 | quittt | icyfire0573, ? |
| 22:27.07 | Guerin | liberion: read http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/enlightenment/enlightenment_0.16.7.2-1.dsc for the build-deps |
| 22:27.07 | dareth | I will take donations for the Continued Assistance Stupid Humans... checks are fine.. just abreviate. |
| 22:27.10 | icyfire0573 | its requried, so you cant quittt |
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| 22:27.33 | Eulex | nvz: then soon a mega-bill appears in my mail box ;) |
| 22:27.38 | nvz | bigbill52a: if your breath smells that bad, you should either brush your teeth, or get rid of the kittens |
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| 22:27.47 | praha1 | quittt: removing the config files needed by every pacakges is a bad idea |
| 22:27.51 | liberion | Guerin, err thanx but thats e16 im building e17 |
| 22:27.57 | pmak | petemc i have to make any configuration with this ipmasq? |
| 22:28.03 | Eulex | nvz: hehe |
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| 22:28.03 | dareth | one of my cats managed to get stuck in a closet last night. |
| 22:28.04 | bucky | quittt, you can dpkg -r base-config if you want |
| 22:28.06 | Guerin | liberion: the build-deps are liable to be the same |
| 22:28.08 | bigbill52a | dont have any teeth left... |
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| 22:28.15 | icyfire0573 | liberion: let me know how that goes, ive tried a couple of times and it just dosen't work out so well for me |
| 22:28.18 | Guerin | liberion: unless you have a better idea of what they are... |
| 22:28.18 | petemc | pmak: answer a few debconf questions |
| 22:28.25 | phanter | praha1, hmm does something... how can I thank you, it works !!! |
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| 22:28.36 | phanter | praha1, thanks, I have been looking for this for 3 days |
| 22:28.52 | quittt | phreak, it isnt needed by any package |
| 22:28.53 | bigbill52a | and running out of kittens |
| 22:29.09 | ohad | hi, does anyone know how come when i bring up startx my mouse runs around my monitor each time i try to move it? |
| 22:29.11 | WiFiTux | Dude, Sid gnome 2.10 rulxz!! |
| 22:29.12 | praha1 | phanter: well it s a hack :( now it would be great if alsaconf would set this up for good and you ll have a working sound at reboot automatically |
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| 22:29.19 | toonX | Guerin so basically what i need is an /debian-32bit directory , then apt-get install debootstrap, then download teh 32 bit debian packages and install them into that /debian-32bit directory , then chroot into it , right ? |
| 22:29.21 | nvz | praha1: base-config is a script, its hardly a config file that any package needs |
| 22:29.24 | liberion | Guerin, no i doubt that very much e16 and e17 are not the same |
| 22:29.25 | dareth | somebody gave me 2 rabbits, if they are a boy/girl pair.. maybe you can switch to rabbits from kittens..... |
| 22:29.32 | ohad | did anyone have experince with an uncontrolable mouse? |
| 22:29.33 | pmak | petemc thanks! |
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| 22:29.39 | bigbill52a | reproduce faster |
| 22:29.47 | Eulex | ohad: what kinda mouse? |
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| 22:29.59 | icyfire0573 | ohad: once or twice, crazy stuff like /dev/mouse tends to do that though |
| 22:29.59 | bigbill52a | knowing my luck they are gay |
| 22:29.59 | dareth | I don't mind trying to reproduce... it is suceeding that would bother me. |
| 22:30.00 | streuner_ | ohad: gpm? |
| 22:30.14 | phanter | praha1, are you telling me this will stop workingafter avery reboot (not that I ever reboot, but IF iI have to I will not remember how to do it) |
| 22:30.17 | Guerin | liberion: i guess you must have a better idea, then. |
| 22:30.24 | phanter | let me write this down then ;) |
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| 22:30.54 | Guerin | toonX: yup. |
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| 22:31.09 | praha1 | phanter: yes i told you how to start the sound driver by hand (you ll have to do it after each reboot if we don't find what s wrong ... though it could be for another day :) |
| 22:31.10 | ohad | streuner, hmm.. ok. i'll try that |
| 22:31.13 | toonX | Guerin ok thanks |
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| 22:31.21 | streuner_ | ohad: heh? |
| 22:31.25 | liberion | Guerin, cvs e17 and e16 are 2 very different thiings |
| 22:31.30 | praha1 | ohad: do you use gpm ? |
| 22:31.33 | ohad | streuner, sure :) heh |
| 22:31.40 | streuner_ | ohad: I didnt say something useful... |
| 22:31.47 | ohad | praha1, reaboot |
| 22:31.47 | ohad | ing |
| 22:31.53 | praha1 | ? |
| 22:31.54 | pmak | see, im in a 2.4.27 box, i want to compile the 2.4.31, where i can find the .config of a debian default compilation to apply it to my 2.4.31? it is not in the kernel-source pkg. |
| 22:32.07 | bucky | pmak, in /boot |
| 22:32.11 | streuner_ | ohad: if you have gpm installed and use X just remove gpm then |
| 22:32.18 | nvz | pmak: in /boot |
| 22:32.19 | praha1 | why would anyone want to reboot ? |
| 22:32.22 | pmak | hmm |
| 22:32.24 | Guerin | liberion: i'm aware of that. but they're still both windowmanagers, still both written in C (or whatever), still both require xlibs and stuff to work... |
| 22:32.24 | pmak | thanks |
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| 22:32.37 | cddesjar | when using aptitude as a GUI how can i tell it not to remove a package that it thinks is not being used anymore...i.e. cdrecord |
| 22:32.42 | nvz | pmak: the configs come with the kernel image and are placed in /boot |
| 22:32.58 | Bazz | anyone know of a biff-type program that supports mail.com? |
| 22:33.01 | Eulex | ohad: you just need to reboot when you mess something up seriously or are gonna switch kernel |
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| 22:33.11 | cddesjar | cause if i try to do < aptitude install foo > it wants to do all this extra stuff install of just installing foo |
| 22:33.14 | bigbill52a | or print something |
| 22:33.17 | cddesjar | i just read the man file |
| 22:33.17 | liberion | Guerin, the depencies are all contain in the e17 folder |
| 22:33.24 | Guerin | cddesjar: they're called 'dependencies' |
| 22:33.24 | cddesjar | and i don't understand how to unselect something |
| 22:33.27 | phanter | praha1, but when knowing this works. Shouldn't I "just" make sure that this kernel-module is loaded every reboot? |
| 22:33.29 | pmak | nvz the make menuconfig will read the .config? or only make oldconfig? |
| 22:33.35 | Guerin | liberion: eh? a list, or source? |
| 22:33.41 | cddesjar | guerin: it's not depedencies that i'm talking about |
| 22:33.44 | ohad | streuner, i didn't have gpm but now that i've installed it the mouse is not moving at all |
| 22:33.52 | liberion | Guerin, the folder contains the source |
| 22:34.01 | nvz | pmak: you shouldnt be using either. |
| 22:34.06 | WiFiTux | what was debian's gnome channel? |
| 22:34.09 | nvz | pmak: you should be using kernel-package |
| 22:34.17 | cddesjar | when i tell it to install something...it wants to remove a bunch of packages it thinks i am not using |
| 22:34.20 | Guerin | liberion: the source of ALL the build-deps - xlibs and libc and gcc and all? |
| 22:34.45 | liberion | Guerin, of course |
| 22:34.45 | pmak | nvz why? there is any problem in compile a new kernel? |
| 22:34.46 | nvz | pmak: but from my experience menuconfig will pull in options and also save them to the config |
| 22:34.49 | Guerin | cddesjar: apt-get remove --purge aptitude && apt-get install aptitude |
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| 22:34.54 | Guerin | liberion: that's pure madness. |
| 22:34.59 | nvz | pmak: kernel-package _is_ for compiling a new kernel |
| 22:35.05 | liberion | Guerin, what is ? |
| 22:35.07 | praha1 | phanter: you could had "snd-card-sbawe" on a line in /etc/modules :) that s also a hack but will work well (though it would be great if you could report the issue to the debian bug system whenever you feel like ... so hopefully it would be fixed one day :) |
| 22:35.07 | toonX | Guerin it's a bit complicated :) |
| 22:35.12 | cddesjar | Guerin: what will that do? |
| 22:35.19 | Guerin | liberion: including the source for all the build-deps with a program. |
| 22:35.35 | sprax^ | Is there a script which is run when all init.d scripts are done, and before logon? |
| 22:35.37 | praha1 | i guess the configurator was not tested extensively with isa cards (for lack of hardware) |
| 22:35.46 | Guerin | cddesjar: it will make aptitude stop being stupid. /msg dpkg aptitude, read the bugreport |
| 22:35.48 | Eulex | liberion: you do only need to compile the program -- not all of its dependencies |
| 22:35.53 | cddesjar | ok |
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| 22:36.02 | toonX | Guerin oh, but there are examples, i'm saved |
| 22:36.11 | phanter | praha1, I will report this bug (but what weirdo uses a ISA soundcard these days anyway :-> ) |
| 22:36.20 | Eulex | phanter: I do |
| 22:36.23 | Guerin | cddesjar: once you start using aptitude, don't go back to apt-get - if you do it might break. |
| 22:36.24 | pmak | nvz ahh, let me try it...thanks |
| 22:36.27 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 22:36.27 | nvz | pmak: its an all in on-liner kernel compiling tool, f.e. make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot --config=menuconfig buildpackage, would allow you to run menuconfig, and compile kernel documentation, image, headers, and source, without even needing to be root |
| 22:36.33 | Eulex | phanter: and I can't get it to work with alsa |
| 22:36.34 | liberion | Eulex, have you built e17? |
| 22:36.40 | Eulex | liberion: nope |
| 22:36.47 | nvz | pmak: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package |
| 22:36.50 | bigbill52a | 80% of my business is fixing virus-infected windows installations...most requiring reinstallation of the os....thank you microsoft |
| 22:37.01 | yoo | Is it possible to make a .deb with a .tar.gz ? |
| 22:37.09 | Guerin | yoo: dh-make |
| 22:37.15 | cddesjar | alien |
| 22:37.17 | yoo | ok |
| 22:37.26 | phanter | Eulex, oke (no offence intended ;-) ), but you are using this hack all the time? |
| 22:37.30 | yoo | alien is not for rpm ? |
| 22:37.38 | praha1 | phanter: in it s teh second time i log to #debian this week and you are the second to have this issue (though i have been unable to help the previous guy ... its card was so old it was not fully isa compliant) |
| 22:37.38 | Guerin | yoo: man alien |
| 22:37.38 | liberion | Guerin, http://www.minislack.org/filemgmt/index.php |
| 22:37.42 | exerd | anyone knows if this works with debian: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=202745&pcount=&Product_Id=191475&Section.Section_Path=%2FN%E4tverk%2FTrdlsan%E4tverk%2FPreNWire%2E%2E%2Etworking%2F |
| 22:37.43 | cddesjar | guerin: i use aptitude the same way i used apt-get right? |
| 22:37.50 | yoo | ok |
| 22:37.51 | Guerin | cddesjar: yeah |
| 22:37.56 | yoo | thank Guerin |
| 22:37.58 | liberion | Eulex, ok then :) |
| 22:37.58 | cddesjar | that's what i thought |
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| 22:38.12 | Eulex | phanter: hack?? I can't get it work with alsa no matter how much I try... so I'm using oss |
| 22:38.25 | pmak | how can i set a domainname? |
| 22:38.26 | phanter | hahahaha, It is good to hear I am not the only one without the money to buy a normal PC to use as a server !!! |
| 22:38.29 | liberion | Guerin, did you see my link |
| 22:38.40 | nvz | well while I am wating for my backups to restore to their new locations, I am going to go make a steak sandwitch |
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| 22:38.57 | phanter | Eulex, aha, and oss works. Hmm, maybe you tried the hack that praha1 gave me? |
| 22:39.00 | nvz | pmak: edit /etc/hostname, put in the new hostname, then hostname -F /etc/hostname |
| 22:39.09 | Eulex | phanter: "normal pc"? anyway, I'm getting a new laptop tomorrow |
| 22:39.13 | nvz | pmak: er nevermind you said domain name |
| 22:39.15 | michal__ | hi. has anyone here had any success compiling a xen 2.0.6 domain0 2.6.11 kernel under sarge? |
| 22:39.16 | Guerin | liberion: yeah, I don't have time to read it ... i'm off to work |
| 22:39.26 | Eulex | phanter: I missed that... what hack? |
| 22:39.27 | Guerin | liberion: i'll look when I get there. |
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| 22:39.48 | sprax^ | Is there a script which is run when all init.d scripts are done, and before logon? |
| 22:39.49 | fwest | why doesn't PermitRootLogin without-password work? i can still log in using roots password |
| 22:39.52 | pmak | how can i set a domainname? |
| 22:40.20 | icyfire0573 | pmak: /etc/hosts |
| 22:40.30 | phanter | Eulex, hah, well, I have a very nice IBM T42 laptop. That is great for Linux |
| 22:40.31 | RobLINX | fwest: did you restart sshd etc? |
| 22:40.35 | icyfire0573 | sprax^: /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 22:40.38 | fwest | RobLINX, sure did |
| 22:40.54 | RobLINX | hmmm. |
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| 22:41.15 | Eulex | phanter: do not mock this old dell latitude, it's stable as rock, it's just old |
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| 22:41.42 | Agrajag- | hmm anyone else use the debian-marillat testing repository and getting mplayer errors? specifically "mplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec-cvs.so: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen" |
| 22:41.42 | phanter | Eulex, praha1 tolld me this as a temporary solution: "modprobe snd-sbawe" and this as a solution that will work after a reboot: "snd-card-sbawe" on a line in /etc/modules |
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| 22:42.00 | sprax^ | icyfire0573 I get that, some distros (fedora and gentoo) have a pre-defined file to dump that stuff in. No such thing w/debian? |
| 22:42.19 | Eulex | phanter: ok, I don't have a sbawe... sorry, didn't follow your conversation |
| 22:42.31 | icyfire0573 | sprax^: not that i know of, you just created your own and make it S99whatever-you-want |
| 22:42.53 | cddesjar | guerin: will apt-cache mess up aptitude? |
| 22:42.55 | phanter | Eulex, I am not complaining at all. I am using an old self build pc from 1994 (one of the first pentiums) as a server since a year. it only crached once (when sarge was not stable yet) |
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| 22:43.10 | dareth | how does one ask if synaptic is better than kpackage without being a troll? |
| 22:43.30 | quittt | is exim4 for desktops? |
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| 22:43.36 | Eulex | phanter: I would've used a 486 as server if it had had a nic... |
| 22:43.40 | zumbi | dareth, what do you mean with troll ? |
| 22:44.00 | dareth | as in starting a flame war.. just want some synaptic pros and cons. |
| 22:44.05 | Nexus | If I apt-get remove a package, it shows up still under dpkg -l, but it has an rc next to it. How do you clear that out so that packages that aren't installed don't show up in dpkg -l? |
| 22:44.05 | petemc | quittt: its the default mta in debian, and debian requires a mta, yes |
| 22:44.23 | amphi | Nexus: --purge |
| 22:44.24 | michal__ | sarge can't seem to compile a debian _ xen patched kernel :/ |
| 22:44.30 | michal__ | s/_/+ |
| 22:44.30 | fwest | oh, you need to set PAM to no |
| 22:44.33 | petemc | dareth: i think synaptic is more actively developed, its certainly more debian specific |
| 22:44.36 | zumbi | dareth, apt-get is just better |
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| 22:44.40 | dareth | I use apt-get mostly, but if I wanted to use a gui package manager, is synaptic got any advantages over kpackage which I have used briefly. |
| 22:44.45 | Nexus | amphi, If I missed doing a purge, as I have a couple of times, is there a way to clear it out? |
| 22:44.59 | cheal | Nexus: you grep ii |
| 22:45.12 | toonX | Guerin so would this be a valid source for the 32 bit woody ? ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main |
| 22:45.16 | Nexus | cheal, :-P |
| 22:45.20 | petemc | dareth: you should look at aptitude |
| 22:45.24 | sith-R2D2 | question - when my debian boots up, it spits out all kind of stuff..how do i read this to determine what/where my firewall config file is? |
| 22:45.25 | pmak | what should i install to the other windows clients in the intranet see my shared files? samba? |
| 22:45.32 | _absent | i have a dual hd set up in my computer, on hard drive i have debian sarge on and the other i have xp. how do i access my xp drive from debian? i was reading online alot of mounting and i figured id get realtime help instead of testing it out and screwing anything up (newb) i believe the xp hd is hda which is the primary |
| 22:45.34 | sith-R2D2 | "/var/log...?" |
| 22:45.47 | cheal | apt-get doesn't really compare to synaptic... |
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| 22:46.03 | shingouz | _absent: ntfs? |
| 22:46.05 | dareth | is synaptic like dselect... |
| 22:46.05 | praha1 | ohad: don't install gpm , i asked because it is tricky to set it up properly , so it could have been your problem |
| 22:46.14 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: the firewall gets reset on boot |
| 22:46.16 | cheal | synaptic *is* more actively developed than kpackage. kpackage is dead since 2000/2001 |
| 22:46.20 | dareth | I guess I need to do some more homework. |
| 22:46.26 | praha1 | dareth: like aptitude (dselect is very peculiar) |
| 22:46.28 | Nexus | Also, I did dpkg -l and see kernel image that is 2.4, but I know I'm running 2.6... Where do I see that at? Is there a way to expand the dang columns of dpkg -l output? |
| 22:46.29 | _absent | shingouz: what is ntfs? |
| 22:46.30 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - what do you mean by reset? as in restarted? |
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| 22:46.43 | shingouz | _absent: NT File System |
| 22:46.45 | sprax^ | icyfire0573 ok, I'll do that. Thank you |
| 22:46.52 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: when you reboot, any rules that you have disappear |
| 22:47.02 | shingouz | !tell _absent about ntfs |
| 22:47.06 | icyfire0573 | unless you have a specific file that runs them every boot |
| 22:47.07 | Eulex | new technology... bah |
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| 22:47.13 | bigbill52a | mkdir /media/c mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/c |
| 22:47.29 | praha1 | Nexus: dpkg -l "kernel-image*" |less |
| 22:47.31 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - correct...i believe there is a specific file that is invoked each time i boot - bastille set it up for me, but it's so n00bfriendly that it does even tell me where the file is |
| 22:47.33 | _absent | thanks guys |
| 22:47.33 | shingouz | _absent: read what dpkg msg'ed you, should answer most of the questions |
| 22:47.44 | _absent | ok, thanks shingouz |
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| 22:47.51 | dareth | is writing an ntfs type partition still dangerous? |
| 22:47.52 | zumbi | dareth, at the end everybody uses apt-get |
| 22:48.01 | sprax^ | shingouz do me too please I know what NTFS is but I'd like to see |
| 22:48.03 | shingouz | _absent: btw, if possible cnakge your nick into something without the leading _. easier to answer that way |
| 22:48.08 | resiak | Nexus: COLUMNS=200 dpkg blah |
| 22:48.08 | RobLINX | speaking of sshd, anybody know why "PrintMotd yes" doesn't work? |
| 22:48.11 | dareth | nog, am familiar with apt-get |
| 22:48.16 | shingouz | sprax^: just /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 22:48.22 | shingouz | absent: thanks :) |
| 22:48.28 | petemc | zumbi: recently, people are using aptitude. it works around some problems |
| 22:48.40 | praha1 | dareth: less than a few years ago , btw there is a wrapper around the windows ntfs dll that provide full read/write access |
| 22:48.42 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: i guess you could grep init.d for iptables ... grep iptables /etc/init.d/* and see if any of those are it, or it could just be a script in /etc/rcS.d |
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| 22:48.42 | shingouz | sith-R2D2: go wax yourself ;) |
| 22:48.48 | dareth | I been running woody servers for a while... only recently thought about them again... they just work with Sarge coming out... |
| 22:48.58 | zumbi | petemc, that's what i have heart, but why do they use aptitude ? |
| 22:48.59 | Nexus | resiak, Cool. That helps a lot. It always bugged me that it smashed the output when the output of my screen is 1900x1200... |
| 22:49.06 | Nexus | praha1, Thanks, that helps as well. |
| 22:49.11 | shingouz | sith-R2D2: do you even have a firewall installed there? |
| 22:49.20 | dareth | l |
| 22:49.25 | icyfire0573 | Nexus: 1900x1200 i envy and hate you ! :-) |
| 22:49.37 | phanter | how can I make sarge to automaticly install all the security updates? |
| 22:49.38 | Nexus | icyfire0573, I LOVE my Dell XPS Gen 2.. |
| 22:49.40 | resiak | Nexus: Heh. |
| 22:49.45 | petemc | zumbi: i cant remember the specifics, some issue when upgrading, problem is mitigated using aptitude |
| 22:49.46 | dareth | I just want your vision... mine is shot from too many hours in front of a monitor. |
| 22:49.48 | Eulex | phanter: cron |
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| 22:50.13 | Nexus | Yea, I got computer glasses just to look at this resolution, though it helps that it's a 17" widescreen monitor. |
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| 22:50.36 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
| 22:50.37 | phanter | Eulex, what when it tries to ask difficult quistions? |
| 22:50.46 | dareth | I am running a Sarge desktop now... woody boxes got updated sources.list I will rebuild them completely if there is any advantage, they work fine now. |
| 22:50.48 | Eulex | phanter: eh? |
| 22:50.49 | michal__ | hmm |
| 22:50.52 | praha1 | phanter: have the security line in apt sources.list and install cron-apt (or apticron if you just want to receive a mail when update are available) |
| 22:50.55 | michal__ | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/include/asm/posix_types.h:13:22: features.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:51.06 | icyfire0573 | ive got a 20" viewable, but its so old you have to run @ 1280x960 or the images get blurry |
| 22:51.20 | Eulex | phanter: oh, add -y to apt-get |
| 22:51.27 | masoft | where the Gnome applets information for everyuser save ? (kde was at ~/.kde) |
| 22:51.50 | Nexus | What would I have used kbuild for...? |
| 22:51.52 | shingouz | masoft: try ~/.gnome |
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| 22:51.59 | michal__ | I seem to have /usr/include/features.h though |
| 22:52.02 | zumbi | petemc, where you talking about http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/5/2002/09/3/30056 ? |
| 22:52.16 | masoft | shingouz, which file contain information of applets ? I saw there ... |
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| 22:52.26 | michal__ | is this a bug in sarrge or some other problem? |
| 22:52.30 | shingouz | masoft: i do not know, i do not run gnome |
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| 22:52.48 | praha1 | masoft: gconf-editor > apps > gnome-panel (~/.gconf/ ) though it s kind of unreadable |
| 22:52.53 | icyfire0573 | masoft: i think in the gconf or whatever, ive never actually found where the files go (cause i use kde) |
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| 22:52.55 | petemc | zumbi: doubt it, i try to avoid linuxquestions.org |
| 22:53.04 | sith-R2D2 | shingouz - yes, bastille implemented a firewall, but provided no indication where the firewall config was |
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| 22:53.30 | Eulex | anyone know how to prevent gcc from trying to inline self-caling functions? |
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| 22:53.34 | toonX | if i have this address http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/oldstable/main/binary-i386/ , how would this look as an debian source ? deb .. |
| 22:53.35 | WiFiTux | any idea if xorg is about to kick in? |
| 22:53.38 | shingouz | sith-R2D2: check in /etc/init.d, you should see something there that resembles you of bastille |
| 22:53.56 | icyfire0573 | WiFiTux: its in the topic |
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| 22:54.18 | sith-R2D2 | dareth - i think my vision was destroyed by an old CRT...now with LCD things are great...but i have permanent alteration of visual accuity |
| 22:54.20 | H2OyJaBoN | how to up pppoe on boot ? |
| 22:54.24 | toonX | i don't know how to put it for debootstrap to get packages from it |
| 22:54.31 | absent000 | one more question, before i mount the drive, is there a switch to throw in that it would be read only? |
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| 22:54.51 | icyfire0573 | sith-R2D2: i think its been proven that staring at tvs and computer monitors does not adversly affect your eyes |
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| 22:55.03 | praha1 | michal_: weird you might want to ask on #debian-devel and report the problem to the bts |
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| 22:55.29 | shingouz | absent000: ntfs is read only, you cannot write on it. man fstab helps too, there is a switch for it. ro |
| 22:55.36 | tcsetattr | what are you compiling, michal__? do you have all the build-essential stuff installed? |
| 22:55.38 | Dimitri | #ubuntu-es |
| 22:55.39 | icyfire0573 | absent000: unless your running captive ntfs it has to be read only |
| 22:55.47 | prodope | is there a way for me to see why a package is being held back? |
| 22:55.57 | grigora | my apache process writes a file that should later be accessible by another user, both the apache user and the other user are in the same group, however apache user's umask is 022, is there a way to change apache user's umask? (no home dir, no bashrc) thanks |
| 22:55.58 | paulswm | It's not staring at the monitor that damages the eyesight, it's the content and what else you may be doing. |
| 22:56.02 | dareth | I got a 14" monitor with a really bad refresh rate I sell you cheap... if you don't mind losing your eyes. |
| 22:56.02 | shingouz | prodope: because you made it so? |
| 22:56.08 | WiFiTux | icyfire0573: ;) |
| 22:56.09 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - it think if you are starting at a defective CRT with electrons passing into your eyes you could cause damage |
| 22:56.18 | dareth | Course I did mud on it 14+ hours a day for a long time. *grin* |
| 22:56.20 | michal__ | tcsetattr: linux kernel + debian patch + xen 2.0.6 patch.. but that error seems to be libc6-dev related |
| 22:56.25 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - i'm sure all those tests were done with very NICE crts |
| 22:56.34 | praha1 | toonX: it s not that easy , it depends on what is in the Packages.gz file |
| 22:56.37 | prodope | shingouz: i didn't hold it back... i just did an apt-get update/upgrade and ssh was held back... im using sid |
| 22:56.39 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - i used a crappy old crt long ago...think it caused damage |
| 22:56.44 | shingouz | paulswm: as in using X on the screen is ok but using XXXFreee86 may cause eyecancer? |
| 22:56.53 | prodope | shingouz: just wondering why it was automatically held back |
| 22:56.55 | dareth | my eyes used to be dark brown... kinda amber yellow now... |
| 22:56.56 | michal__ | tcsetattr: i have all but g++ stuff installed.. does the linux kernel need c++ ? |
| 22:57.10 | shingouz | prodope: you are using sid, sid does odd things from time to time |
| 22:57.17 | paulswm | shingouz: as in "stop that, it'll make you go blind!" :P |
| 22:57.24 | icyfire0573 | electrongs cannot escape the crt and mess with your eyes, at that point they would also be passing xrays at your face, so not only would your eyes be shot but you'd have brain cancer (i think) |
| 22:57.31 | sith-R2D2 | paulswm - well i enjoy porn and am not afraid to say so |
| 22:57.32 | tcsetattr | michal__, the kernel normally doesn't use headers from /usr/include... it uses the -nostdinc option to prevent gcc looking there |
| 22:57.32 | Dimitri | #debian-es |
| 22:57.32 | shingouz | paulswm: i thought so too... |
| 22:57.44 | pmak | nvz hmm, this kernel-package will create a .deb of the kernel right? so after i just have to dpkg -i kernel.deb and reboot... |
| 22:57.49 | sith-R2D2 | paulswm - in fact i'm looking forward to the day i will be able to surf porn on debian as opposed to windwos |
| 22:57.51 | shingouz | Dimitri: /join #debian-es |
| 22:57.53 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
| 22:57.58 | dareth | Laugh, slashdot article while back... talking about old guys taking viagra going blind... never could figure out why... ha ha ha. |
| 22:57.59 | bigbill52a | and what the monitor didnt do, the cell phone would finish up |
| 22:58.00 | paulswm | shingouz: The answer to that is "can I do it a bit and wear glasses?" :P |
| 22:58.02 | toonX | praha1 oh |
| 22:58.11 | Nippon_Ginko | hi , is it possible to have a working system by installing only from debian's first cd in sarge ? |
| 22:58.17 | shingouz | paulswm: yes, but the glasses will get steamy |
| 22:58.18 | resiak | Yes |
| 22:58.20 | sith-R2D2 | Nippon_Ginko - get CDs 1 + 2 |
| 22:58.21 | dareth | nog,, first cd is all I use |
| 22:58.28 | icyfire0573 | Nippon_Ginko: yes, but you need internet to bring it up to full capabilities |
| 22:58.40 | sith-R2D2 | Nippon_Ginko - what they said |
| 22:58.40 | bigbill52a | i thought that only happened when you looked at porn |
| 22:58.41 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
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| 22:58.45 | sith-R2D2 | porn rules |
| 22:58.47 | sith-R2D2 | debian rules |
| 22:58.49 | shingouz | Nippon_Ginko: do you have internet connectivity on the box you are installing on? dsl or something? |
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| 22:59.00 | paulswm | shingouz: transmission of p0rn on the internet started within minutes of usenet coming up. |
| 22:59.04 | icyfire0573 | shingouz: im going to guess wildly and say yes :-D |
| 22:59.07 | Dimitri | shingouz: GRacias, muchas gracias |
| 22:59.12 | jetx | !info pornview |
| 22:59.12 | pmak | there is any site where i can find the lastest kernel releases in .deb format? |
| 22:59.16 | Nippon_Ginko | icyfire0573: i asume i'll be having X and some basic utils, right ? |
| 22:59.17 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 22:59.37 | dareth | ah kermit and x-modem... porn at a leisurely pace. |
| 22:59.41 | shingouz | Nippon_Ginko: do you have internet on the box you are going to install on? |
| 22:59.44 | icyfire0573 | its a fact that pron was used in testing digital compression and such is the hello world for digital imagry and such |
| 22:59.46 | Nippon_Ginko | shingouz: not at the moment (laptop) |
| 22:59.47 | bigbill52a | if anyone wants to know how to rejoin movie files from usenet...welll........ |
| 22:59.55 | bigbill52a | just ask |
| 22:59.57 | dareth | oh nog... .... |
| 22:59.59 | sith-R2D2 | icyfire0573 - lol! |
| 23:00.02 | shingouz | Nippon_Ginko: the two first cd's then unless you have a dvd on it |
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| 23:00.06 | icyfire0573 | Nippon_Ginko: i dont know about X there, |
| 23:00.12 | Zrin | is sarge and it's default sh replacement large-file-enabled? what is the limit? |
| 23:00.36 | EfaistOs | do u know which module i should use for this ethernet card : [Tulip Pass 3] |
| 23:00.47 | dareth | Lenna wikipedia |
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| 23:00.56 | js | EfaistOs: did you try "tulip"? |
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| 23:01.08 | Zrin | the floristic module ;-) |
| 23:01.08 | shingouz | !tell pmak about search |
| 23:01.09 | icyfire0573 | Zrin: large file as in greater tan several gigabytes? |
| 23:01.09 | dareth | note the not safe for work link of the whole image is definately not safe for work. |
| 23:01.11 | icyfire0573 | s/tan/than |
| 23:01.26 | shingouz | pmak: apt-get install kernel-image-<whateverversioyouwant> |
| 23:01.40 | Zrin | icyfire0573: as up to 9 GiB |
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| 23:02.47 | shingouz | Zrin: i am not sure what you are asking about but at least i can handle files past 8G here |
| 23:03.02 | pmak | shingouz there is not the 2.4.31 release there |
| 23:03.03 | icyfire0573 | Zrin: i guess your doing dvds, ive messed around with dvd iso's (backups of ...stuff) at 4.7 gigs, but never anything that large, but im going to say yes anyway |
| 23:03.18 | Zrin | shingouz: whole dvd image, possibly DL |
| 23:03.25 | praha1 | toonX: "deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main" should do the trick |
| 23:03.28 | shingouz | pmak: what is the latest one and what debian version are you on? |
| 23:03.32 | Zrin | icyfire0573: thx |
| 23:03.36 | shingouz | Zrin: works |
| 23:03.42 | dareth | Did they ever make a stable 2.6 kernel for woody? |
| 23:03.43 | Zrin | shingouz: thx |
| 23:03.51 | jdhutchin1 | dareth, no |
| 23:03.56 | shingouz | dareth: no, woddy does nto run 2.6 |
| 23:03.57 | pmak | shingouz the lastest one is the 2.4.31 and im in a testing version |
| 23:03.59 | praha1 | toonX: you can add non-free and contrib after "main" if needed |
| 23:04.02 | dareth | thanks. |
| 23:04.23 | shingouz | pmak: the latest in debian, not on kernel.org |
| 23:04.28 | icyfire0573 | funny thing Zrin took me 10 times to tab complete your name, i kept reading it as an E, but its the fault of my font, |
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| 23:04.57 | dareth | Was it Toy Story that had the neighbor who put together parts of different toys, had some freaky looking things. or was it Small Soldiers? |
| 23:05.08 | shingouz | toy story |
| 23:05.11 | dareth | ah, |
| 23:05.19 | Conorach | toyStory dareth |
| 23:05.20 | pmak | shingouz i want the lastest in kernel.org...is more secure right? in debian is 2.4.27-2 |
| 23:05.21 | shingouz | dareth: andhe just broke toys |
| 23:05.22 | dareth | This is channel related. |
| 23:05.27 | Zrin | icyfire0573: it's my now 12 years old IRC nick |
| 23:05.46 | praha1 | bigbill52a: uudecode ? sorry i only know this tools by name |
| 23:05.49 | idnar | dareth: sid was the kid that did that |
| 23:05.49 | dareth | See, my home debian system shoudl be named after one of those messed up toys... cause it started out woody, but got mixed stable/unstable real quick. |
| 23:05.58 | shingouz | pmak: not necessarily more secure. you do not need it really. the 2.4.31 will be there eventually |
| 23:06.04 | idnar | dareth: and guess what the debian unstable distribution is called ;) |
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| 23:06.19 | icyfire0573 | idnar: etch? :-) |
| 23:06.29 | shingouz | sid. dammit |
| 23:06.36 | icyfire0573 | haha, i kno |
| 23:06.36 | pmak | shingouz but is there is a bug in the 2.4.27 and the kernel.org has corrected it on the 2.4.28? |
| 23:06.40 | idnar | icyfire0573: *chuckle* |
| 23:07.02 | dareth | I have KDE, some early 3 variant on there... but an old Gnome. |
| 23:07.03 | shingouz | pmak: what is the bug doing? |
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| 23:07.25 | dareth | Accidentally ran a gnome applet, it started the Gnome desktop environment on top of my KDE 3! |
| 23:07.33 | Draconicus | Hi. Video0 isn't working despite drivers having been loaded on boot, and now ALSA has suddenly died for reasons unknown. |
| 23:07.44 | michal__ | is there a dvd9 jigdo for sarge? |
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| 23:08.00 | bigbill52a | lxsplit |
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| 23:08.02 | icyfire0573 | Draconicus: a litte more info, what are you doing with video0 what device, and such |
| 23:08.02 | Draconicus | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 23:08.14 | Draconicus | icyfire0573: First let's fix this audio. |
| 23:08.20 | bigbill52a | you have to download lxsplit... |
| 23:08.23 | icyfire0573 | Draconicus: ls /dev/snd/* |
| 23:08.29 | pmak | shingouz im suposing |
| 23:08.29 | Draconicus | ALSA has randomly died for no reason. Everything is suddenly not working and I'm getting pissed off. |
| 23:08.37 | bigbill52a | you should also apt-get install par2 |
| 23:08.46 | icyfire0573 | Draconicus: ls /dev/snd/* |
| 23:08.46 | shingouz | pmak: supposing what? |
| 23:09.02 | Draconicus | First Cedega, then my SNES pad (which never worked anyway but is now more screwed up), now the camera and ALSA... |
| 23:09.26 | Draconicus | "ls: /dev/snd: No such file or directory" |
| 23:09.28 | Draconicus | What the hell?! |
| 23:09.40 | icyfire0573 | i found the problem :-) Draconicus |
| 23:09.47 | shingouz | udev? |
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| 23:09.49 | Draconicus | It was fine a minute ago... |
| 23:09.55 | pmak | shingouz why there is an 2.4.31 version, to fix bugs right? |
| 23:09.56 | Draconicus | It just vanished. |
| 23:09.58 | resiak | !magic hate ball |
| 23:09.59 | icyfire0573 | did you install udev recently for some reason? |
| 23:10.06 | Draconicus | No. |
| 23:10.15 | absent000 | is there a limit to how many file systems i can mount? i just tried to mount hda1(xp drive) and it mentioned: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, or too many mounted file systems. i typed: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/c |
| 23:10.18 | dareth | later channel |
| 23:10.19 | praha1 | Draconicus: /etc/init.d/alsa restart ? |
| 23:10.24 | prodope | i want to copy/paste an error that happened at startup... is there a file with all output from boot, or do i have to reboot to see it again? (it's not in dmesg) |
| 23:10.27 | icyfire0573 | Draconicus: what praha1 said |
| 23:10.44 | resiak | absent000: How many do you have mounted? |
| 23:10.44 | icyfire0573 | prodope: run dmesg |
| 23:10.58 | bigbill52a | try mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /media/c |
| 23:10.59 | praha1 | Draconicus: well udev could have been installed by a gnome upgrade ... you should check (dpkg -l udev) |
| 23:11.02 | buu | Is there a wordlist that doesn't have proper nouns? |
| 23:11.05 | Draconicus | "Shutting down ALSA...done (not loaded). | Setting up ALSA...done (not loaded)." |
| 23:11.10 | prodope | icyfire0573: i did, but the error isn't there... |
| 23:11.13 | resiak | icyfire0573: Read what was said again :) |
| 23:11.36 | icyfire0573 | resiak: whoops, |
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| 23:11.42 | shingouz | pmak: this is not windows where you have to keep updating the system on an hourly basis. i have systems here that have been running for a few hundred days now so their kernels are oldish and i am not going to install a new kernel every day in anycase. drooling after the latest kernel is not really needed unless you have some hardware that will not run on the one you have now |
| 23:11.45 | bigbill52a | you may have it formatted as fat32 |
| 23:11.50 | praha1 | absent000: what was the command to mount ? mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/xp ? (or vfat instead of ntfs) |
| 23:11.51 | icyfire0573 | prodope: cat /var/log/messages perhaps |
| 23:12.22 | absent000 | resiak: 5 i believe: hdd(/media/cdrom0) scd0(/media/cdrom1) floppy, hd1(/), sda(/media/usb0) |
| 23:12.35 | cddesjar | shingouz: good call |
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| 23:12.49 | resiak | absent000: then you've not hit the limit |
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| 23:12.53 | absent000 | prahal: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/c |
| 23:12.56 | shingouz | cddesjar: just common sense imho |
| 23:13.03 | prodope | icyfire0573: it was actually after that... it happened right before exim was started... something about cleaning /tmp |
| 23:13.06 | bigbill52a | lxsplit is available from freebyte..and is one of the faster joiners..works great with movie files |
| 23:13.11 | pmak | shingouz but and the kernel bugs?? those that scriptie-kids can use? |
| 23:13.21 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.21 | nvz | 18:09 < gtigene_> shingouz: OK. |
| 23:13.27 | nvz | oops :P |
| 23:13.34 | resiak | pmak: Security backports? |
| 23:13.41 | praha1 | absent000: maybe mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /media/c ... |
| 23:13.46 | absent000 | ok |
| 23:13.51 | petemc | shingouz: there are kernel level exploits are a problem if you have untrusted users, or you should be aware of even if you dont.. |
| 23:13.52 | shingouz | pmak: this is not windows, the script kiddies will toss a hissing fit when they finally realize you are not running xp there. relax |
| 23:13.58 | nvz | its a good thing there wasnt more in my clipboard |
| 23:14.11 | shingouz | petemc: true but.. i think you know what i mean |
| 23:14.30 | absent000 | it mounted, but says access is denied |
| 23:14.36 | absent000 | permissions... hmm |
| 23:14.38 | Draconicus | I've been having these weird problems for the longest time. I think there's really a grand solution that I've yet to find. |
| 23:14.44 | nvz | good news :) my backups are restored |
| 23:14.46 | resiak | !tell absent000 -about vfatrw |
| 23:14.50 | pmak | resiak yes? |
| 23:14.57 | Draconicus | Rhyme not intended. |
| 23:14.57 | bigbill52a | you can su |
| 23:15.02 | bigbill52a | password |
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| 23:15.11 | bigbill52a | and from a terminal type konqueror |
| 23:15.23 | pmak | shingouz i've read about some kernel bugs that can be remotely exploited! there is such thing? |
| 23:15.24 | bigbill52a | and should be able to access /media/c |
| 23:15.28 | shingouz | petemc: as in a computer that sits on my desk at home there are no untrusted users. would be kinda hard if i would have to be paranoid enough to suspect my family. of course they do not have root though ;) |
| 23:15.38 | shingouz | pmak: yes there are |
| 23:15.40 | MobyTurbo | Draconicus: it's not a crime to rhyme |
| 23:15.49 | absent000 | resiak: dont want to write, just access |
| 23:15.55 | resiak | absent000: Read it |
| 23:15.59 | shingouz | pmak: another thing is are they 'active' in your kernel |
| 23:16.00 | praha1 | Draconicus: do you have weird errors in "dmesg" ouptut ? |
| 23:16.08 | buu | Are there any word lists that don't have proper nouns? |
| 23:16.21 | bigbill52a | if it vfat...you can read and write to it |
| 23:16.36 | pmak | shingouz when there are those bugs, what debian make to fix it? they release a new kernel version on apt-get? |
| 23:16.36 | shingouz | pmak: like there are bugs in .. lets say a webserver. they do not concern you as you do not have that webserver running |
| 23:16.51 | icyfire0573 | buu i guess if you felt ambitions you could use sed to remove lines with capital letters and put it in a different file |
| 23:16.54 | Draconicus | Modules randomly disappear, as do mounted devices such as hdd and sda (sda is still missing..). Drivers fail for no apparent reason, despite conditions seemingly being perfect. Firefox, oddly enough, eats up more than half the physical memory at any given time. I've gone through several kernel versions with little difference. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG?! |
| 23:16.57 | pmak | shingouz and if i have it running |
| 23:17.03 | icyfire0573 | s/ambitions/ambitious |
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| 23:17.10 | MobyTurbo | shingouz: there are sometimes remote user (not root) exploits that make it possible to have a shell with username "nobody" or similar daemon accounts, these accounts can do nothing - unless you have a local root exploit to match the remote user exploit. |
| 23:17.13 | buu | icyfire0573: There are lines without capital letters? |
| 23:17.29 | shingouz | pmak: what kind of a system do you have there? desktop? is that some company server? tell me more about it |
| 23:17.35 | osity | anyone know software raid setup? |
| 23:17.35 | icyfire0573 | buu: i figured there would be otherwise they wouldn't be proper now would they? |
| 23:17.42 | bigbill52a | everything is running so smoothly...debian is sweet |
| 23:18.01 | buu | icyfire0573: Hey, there are |
| 23:18.02 | sith-R2D2 | bigbill52a - do you have a firewall setup? if so, how did youset it up? firehol, bastille? |
| 23:18.08 | buu | 143,000 o fthem |
| 23:18.11 | shingouz | MobyTurbo: true but you would have to get access behind my firewall before you could do that. and defeat a few other things too while you are at it |
| 23:18.18 | bigbill52a | no firewall... |
| 23:18.19 | pmak | shingouz is my home-network gateway |
| 23:18.39 | bigbill52a | just have clam installed for virus |
| 23:18.42 | pmak | shingouz tell me what debian makes when there is a bug in the kernel? |
| 23:18.47 | jetx | shingouz is your home-network gateway? |
| 23:18.57 | Draconicus | praha1: No. |
| 23:19.07 | shingouz | pmak: i guess you should be pretty safe if you just take care that you do not run stupid stuff like telnet or some server on the gateway. just close it down from outside connections |
| 23:19.16 | Draconicus | Whoa... dmesg fixed video0. :D |
| 23:19.17 | shingouz | jetx: huh? |
| 23:19.25 | jetx | [18.18.19] pmak shingouz is my home-network gateway |
| 23:19.27 | Draconicus | It detected the device properly. |
| 23:19.38 | shingouz | jetx: :p |
| 23:19.46 | Draconicus | ALSA is still broken, though. |
| 23:19.55 | jetx | !alsa-bork |
| 23:19.55 | dpkg | alsa-bork is probably modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
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| 23:20.16 | shingouz | pmak: debian gets the sources off kernel.org, adds some patches to them and makes a package out of them |
| 23:20.30 | MasterChief | How do I edit my apt source list? |
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| 23:20.36 | praha1 | wazza heck is happening :) you could try giving alsaconf a shot |
| 23:20.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you there? |
| 23:20.42 | Guerin | MasterChief: with an editor |
| 23:20.53 | MasterChief | Where is the source list |
| 23:20.56 | Guerin | lide: i don't get it. |
| 23:20.59 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:21.03 | shingouz | pmak: you really should be more worried about what you have running on the gateway instead of what kernel it runs. shut down *all* unnecessary services on it is my first advice |
| 23:21.06 | Guerin | liberion: i don't get it. |
| 23:21.12 | absent000 | thanks guys, its working |
| 23:21.14 | resiak | MasterChief: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:21.18 | pmak | shingouz im running a sshd server here, how can i keep it secure? just running apt-get upgrade every week? |
| 23:21.18 | jetx | Draconicus: you might need to blacklist oss modules in hotplug/discover, check to see if both oss and alsa are loaded or something... alsa starts with snd- |
| 23:21.19 | shingouz | MasterChief: apt-setup |
| 23:21.21 | MasterChief | thanks |
| 23:21.46 | resiak | !tell pmak -about dsa |
| 23:21.46 | shingouz | pmak: and having the security repositories in the sources.list |
| 23:21.51 | bigbill52a | this is what i do master chief...i start terminal...su password konqueror /etc/apt |
| 23:22.02 | bigbill52a | then click on sources.list |
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| 23:22.05 | Guerin | bigbill52a: bad bad bad |
| 23:22.12 | Guerin | bigbill52a: never run konqueror as root |
| 23:22.14 | bigbill52a | yeah but it works for me |
| 23:22.18 | jetx | !naughty bigbill52a |
| 23:22.21 | Draconicus | What the hell?! "No supported PnP or PCI cards found." Also, no ALSA drivers are loaded. ALSA has not only ceased to exist but suddenly thinks my Soundblaster Live! is not what it is! O_O |
| 23:22.34 | jetx | snd-emu10k1 drac |
| 23:22.40 | praha1 | good shot , loading the video module fires up hotplug ... that s the only sane answer to those random modules unloading |
| 23:22.41 | bigbill52a | been doing that since woody... |
| 23:22.46 | Guerin | Draconicus: modprobe snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm-oss |
| 23:22.49 | pmak | shingouz if i just run apt-get upgrade with the security repositories ub tge sources.list my machine will be ok? |
| 23:22.56 | Guerin | bigbill52a: more fool you. |
| 23:22.57 | jetx | err Draconicus |
| 23:23.00 | bucky | Draconicus, which kerenel? |
| 23:23.09 | jetx | ah 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 23:23.14 | bigbill52a | so what would you suggest? |
| 23:23.15 | resiak | pmak: And subscribe to dsa |
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| 23:23.25 | bigbill52a | i learn something new everyday... |
| 23:23.25 | jetx | 2.4 is hereby deprecated |
| 23:23.27 | praha1 | please alsaconf then if it fails modprobe snd-* ... modprobe does not live a reboot |
| 23:23.30 | jetx | i so decree |
| 23:23.38 | MobyTurbo | pmak: first run apt-get update, or both at once "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
| 23:23.42 | pmak | resiak hmm, i will! |
| 23:23.50 | Draconicus | OH! Weird.... See? The modules disappear! That was loaded but a few minutes ago and I hadn't touched it! I was playing music earlier, in fact! |
| 23:23.59 | Guerin | bigbill52a: su root -c nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:24.05 | Guerin | bigbill52a: or use sudo |
| 23:24.11 | pmak | MobyTurbo that will keep my hole system up to date? even the kernel? |
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| 23:24.13 | Draconicus | I swear my core files are posessed or something! |
| 23:24.18 | jetx | whole |
| 23:24.19 | Draconicus | The ones that don't change with the kernel... |
| 23:24.41 | praha1 | ? 2.6 ? |
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| 23:24.43 | shingouz | pmak: should be |
| 23:24.45 | bigbill52a | that would work... |
| 23:24.48 | sshields | is there any way to run apt-get through an HTTP proxy without using iptables? |
| 23:24.49 | pmak | which is that tool to disable services from the boot process? ntsometing |
| 23:24.51 | MobyTurbo | pmak: I think, but I'm not sure, there are kernel meta-packages which will, in a sort of hackish way, upgrade your kernel. |
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| 23:24.58 | Guerin | pmak: rcconf |
| 23:24.59 | jetx | take note of the modules hotplug and discover actually load, add them to /etc/modules, then remove hotdiscplugher |
| 23:25.19 | Guerin | sshields: http_proxy environment variable |
| 23:25.23 | jetx | sysvinit kinda thing |
| 23:25.30 | jetx | ^pmak |
| 23:25.32 | sshields | Guerin: thanks. |
| 23:25.35 | sith-R2D2 | hahah |
| 23:25.42 | sith-R2D2 | i can't install pine on SARGE |
| 23:25.44 | pmak | jetx yes, i think that is this |
| 23:25.48 | bigbill52a | bcwipe and bcrypt are easy to install on debian... |
| 23:25.50 | Guerin | sshields: http_proxy=http://badgers.org:3128/ aptitude install mushroom |
| 23:25.50 | sith-R2D2 | is it because it's not kosher? |
| 23:25.51 | jetx | sith-R2D2: it's source only |
| 23:25.59 | jetx | for legal reasons |
| 23:26.05 | Guerin | gah, don't us epine |
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| 23:26.13 | Guerin | use mutt, like sane people |
| 23:26.18 | sith-R2D2 | what's a better pine-like text-like email client? |
| 23:26.24 | Guerin | pine is non-free stupidware |
| 23:26.26 | jetx | crap...ti...tu....de |
| 23:26.42 | praha1 | sshields: Acquire{http { Proxy "http://localhost:3128";}} in /etc/apt/apt.conf cf man apt.conf for more |
| 23:26.45 | Guerin | !best email client |
| 23:26.45 | dpkg | [best email client] MUTT! |
| 23:26.49 | sshields | Guerin: it's always about badgers |
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| 23:26.51 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: mutt, which you already have if you run Sarge |
| 23:26.59 | Guerin | sshields: sure enough. |
| 23:27.02 | sshields | paraha1: I was looking in the wrong man page, thanks. |
| 23:27.09 | sith-R2D2 | MobyTurbo - is mutt like pine, but GPL? |
| 23:27.34 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: there are differences, but mutt uses a lot of pine and elm like behavior. |
| 23:27.43 | sith-R2D2 | MobyTurbo - omg i just tried mutt and it tried to mug me with VI/VIM |
| 23:27.46 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: yes, its GPL |
| 23:27.48 | sith-R2D2 | wtf!? i don't use that vi vim shit |
| 23:27.49 | sith-R2D2 | lol |
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| 23:28.03 | sith-R2D2 | vi and vim are MESSED UP and i saw vi vim-like behavior in mutt |
| 23:28.08 | sith-R2D2 | horrors! |
| 23:28.11 | MobyTurbo | sith-R2D2: update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 23:28.16 | toonX | Guerin u there ? |
| 23:28.24 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: set editor = "/usr/bin/emacs -nw +8" |
| 23:28.25 | praha1 | sshields: well i always forgot it , "apropos apt" is our friend :) |
| 23:28.29 | Guerin | toonX: eye yam |
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| 23:28.59 | MobyTurbo | !sith-R2D2-- |
| 23:29.04 | Guerin | sith-R2D2: mutt has SOME emacs-like bindings by default - C-g, forex |
| 23:29.06 | toonX | Guerin i'm chrooted :) |
| 23:29.22 | toonX | Guerin just need to set up apt sources |
| 23:29.34 | Guerin | toonX: apt-setup. |
| 23:29.52 | Draconicus | modprobe... nothing worked. The module for the card is loaded but ALSA still thinks it doesn't exist. |
| 23:30.03 | bigbill52a | are there recommended apt-sources somewhere? |
| 23:30.04 | FarrisG | where is the proper place to add your own ~/bin directory to your path for all shells? If I add it in profile as suggested by bash, it will only get added to $PATH for login shells |
| 23:30.06 | toonX | Guerin yep, but i have some woody cd's that's where i have debootstraped |
| 23:30.10 | Guerin | bigbill52a: in apt-setup. |
| 23:30.23 | resiak | MobyTurbo: You're right about the meta-packages. |
| 23:30.28 | Draconicus | Wait... there's no sound module running... at all.. |
| 23:30.31 | praha1 | Draconicus: have you tried alsaconf instead of the crappy modprobe hack ? |
| 23:30.34 | Draconicus | camserv... I killed that... |
| 23:30.43 | Draconicus | Oops... |
| 23:30.47 | MobyTurbo | resiak: thanks |
| 23:30.54 | Guerin | toonX: change all instances of 'woody' in your sources.list in chroot to 'sarge' and run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:30.54 | Draconicus | li'l help here? ._. |
| 23:31.08 | Draconicus | I must read the manfile for things before assuming they're something. |
| 23:31.09 | MasterChief | How do I search apts? I tried apt-cache search apt |
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| 23:31.15 | bigbill52a | thanks |
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| 23:31.22 | Draconicus | Then again, camserv was crashing anyway. |
| 23:31.27 | pmak | shingouz its a good idea to use the make-kpkg on every kernel.org release? |
| 23:31.27 | Guerin | !wayttd Draconicus |
| 23:31.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Draconicus? |
| 23:31.42 | MasterChief | Anybody? |
| 23:31.45 | Draconicus | Guerin: NEED AUDIO... BEFORE... BRAIN.... SPLODES.... O_<; |
| 23:31.48 | praha1 | Draconicus: well typing random commands only lead to more mess , better use the tools that are meant to do the job |
| 23:31.53 | icyfire0573 | MasterChief: aptitude search pkg |
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| 23:32.10 | Angry_Bacon | is cedega worth the money, or is there a better alternitave? |
| 23:32.15 | Guerin | Draconicus: does modprobe snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm-oss && cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; not produce the glorious White Noise of DOom? |
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| 23:32.20 | praha1 | Guerin: there are "random" modules unloading |
| 23:32.20 | Draconicus | praha1: Alsaconf does not detect my card for some bizarre reason. I need to restart camserv and get a sound module loaded. |
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| 23:32.26 | _16aR_ | Hello |
| 23:32.27 | Guerin | Angry_Bacon: no, and no. |
| 23:32.30 | shingouz | pmak: not really. kpkg is the way to go but if you want to have anything of an uptime there you do not have the possiblity to install a new kernel every week. your chouce though |
| 23:32.44 | Guerin | praha1: i don't believe it for a moment. |
| 23:32.52 | praha1 | Draconicus: you don't use some weird out of debian runnning as root tool ? |
| 23:33.05 | Angry_Bacon | Guerin : so what should i do for games? |
| 23:33.06 | Tiberio | What's the best console utility for resize jpeg image? |
| 23:33.15 | _16aR_ | Someone can help about LVM2 initrd image and bootsplash ? |
| 23:33.15 | Angry_Bacon | Tiberio : Gimp |
| 23:33.18 | pmak | shingouz can i trust in the debian kernel releases only? |
| 23:33.20 | Angry_Bacon | nvm |
| 23:33.28 | shingouz | pmak: that is not the point |
| 23:33.29 | Draconicus | praha1: No. |
| 23:33.29 | Guerin | Angry_Bacon: play games with native linux ports. Support game companies who support you. |
| 23:33.33 | _16aR_ | Tiberio What's the best console utility for resize jpeg image? : gimp, convert (imagemagick) |
| 23:33.40 | praha1 | Guerin: there s something weird that s for sure (though i don't believe god have nothing better to do than unloading Draconicus modules this evening ... ) |
| 23:33.40 | Draconicus | praha1: FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1 not found. | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1 |
| 23:33.48 | toonX | Guerin actually, my sources in the chrooted enviroment look like this, http://non-us.debian.org oldstable/non-US/main Packages , oldstable is woody right ? so i change oldstable for sarge ? |
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| 23:34.01 | MobyTurbo | pmak: for 2.6 it's recommended by Linus himself to run vendor kernels because of the heavy development of vanilla kernels requires patching. |
| 23:34.14 | sith-R2D2 | yes! |
| 23:34.20 | praha1 | Draconicus: that s a real error , we have a starting point now |
| 23:34.22 | Guerin | toonX: yes, and s/non-us/ftp.us/ |
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| 23:34.24 | sith-R2D2 | i got my remote admin via ssh to work! thanks guys! |
| 23:34.30 | sith-R2D2 | now i just need to get my vnc working |
| 23:34.32 | shingouz | pmak: i just feel odd about you "having" to isntall a new kernel about every week, i find it pretty stupid but... well.. it is your computer. personally i would try to keep the system buttoned uo with other means, shut off unnecessary services etc |
| 23:34.35 | pmak | MobyTurbo and for 2.4? |
| 23:34.49 | sith-R2D2 | now i can fix up a box for my parents in oregon |
| 23:34.49 | xiaogil | Is possible to copy the content of a text file in a memory instead of creating a file when using commands such as "cat myfile.txt > newfile", which would be something like "cat myfile.txt > memory1" ? |
| 23:34.51 | _16aR_ | Someone can help about LVM2 initrd image and bootsplash ? |
| 23:34.53 | toonX | Guerin ok |
| 23:34.55 | sith-R2D2 | and remote admin it from out-of-state |
| 23:34.55 | Tiberio | Thansk! |
| 23:34.57 | sith-R2D2 | ! :) |
| 23:34.57 | dpkg | oh, so nice to see you smile! |
| 23:34.59 | pmak | shingouz but the kernel it self, can be vulnerable? |
| 23:35.01 | MobyTurbo | pmak: 2.4 vanilla kernals are probably stable |
| 23:35.02 | sith-R2D2 | t:) |
| 23:35.06 | ryst | i removed the user uucp by mistake and exim broke... is there a way i can get exim to recreate the user? i tried dpkg-reconfigure, but it didn't work |
| 23:35.17 | shingouz | pmak: yes if the nasties can access it. |
| 23:35.22 | Draconicus | praha1: This is bizarre, because I have the module, of course... |
| 23:35.24 | praha1 | Draconicus: knowing you kernel would help quite a lot |
| 23:35.37 | pipeline | ryst: Just adding the user again should work. The question is what the user's home directory was set to before you deleted it. |
| 23:35.39 | Guerin | ryst: apt-get install --reinstall exim4 ? |
| 23:35.40 | icyfire0573 | xiaogil: you can use named pipes, but they still requie you start w/ a "file" (the named pipe) |
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| 23:35.53 | Guerin | ryst: how do you just DELETE A USER by accident? |
| 23:36.09 | pipeline | ryst: on my system, it's uid and gid 10, home directory /var/spool/uucp, shell /bin/sh |
| 23:36.11 | shingouz | pmak: the thing remains, this is not windows that is vulnerable to everything and the neighbors dog in the first place |
| 23:36.21 | icyfire0573 | Guerin: he could have been trying out sed and /etc/passwd :-) |
| 23:36.24 | pmak | shingouz there are no new things in the 2.4 family right? so if there is a new version is to fix bugs right? |
| 23:36.24 | ryst | Guerin: i wasn't aware uucp was in use... i was cleaning up the accounts |
| 23:36.29 | Guerin | gah |
| 23:36.34 | Draconicus | Sorry. 2.6.8-2. |
| 23:36.47 | Draconicus | (praha1) |
| 23:36.47 | pipeline | ryst: Assuming it's a single-user system, what do you even need exim for? |
| 23:36.49 | ryst | Guerin: removing ones (except that one) that aren't used |
| 23:36.49 | shingouz | pmak: that should be the case |
| 23:36.56 | seldon | ryst: useradd -u 10 uucp |
| 23:37.03 | ryst | pipeline: it's not a single user system |
| 23:37.03 | toonX | Guerin the man page also says about defineing a tty for teh chrooted enviroment, means every time i log on that tty im gona be in the chrooted enviroment ? without executing again the chroot command ? |
| 23:37.07 | seldon | And don't delete users with a uid lesser than 1000 |
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| 23:37.19 | pmak | shingouz so, if there are bugs is correct to update them...or you dont care to bugs in the kernel? |
| 23:37.21 | _16aR_ | nobody knows bootsplash there ? I've got only few questions |
| 23:37.31 | resiak | pipeline: You want to walk them through changing mta? |
| 23:37.33 | Guerin | toonX: i've never run amd64 with a ia32 chroot ... ask #debian-amd64 |
| 23:37.36 | pipeline | _16aR_: Don't use bootsplash. End of story. |
| 23:37.39 | pipeline | resiak: Changing? Removing. |
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| 23:37.51 | Guerin | bah, a unix box needs a mta |
| 23:37.53 | resiak | pipeline: You _need_ an mta |
| 23:38.00 | pipeline | resiak, Guerin : I beg to differ. MTAs are an anachronism. |
| 23:38.09 | seldon | Actually, my system works fine without one... |
| 23:38.16 | aFlag | i don't have a mta |
| 23:38.18 | toonX | Guerin any special reason for that ? |
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| 23:38.25 | shingouz | pmak: i am trying to tell you that updating the damn kernel every day is not the way to keep a system secure. do not run anything that is visible to the outside keeps the thing pretty secure already |
| 23:38.25 | praha1 | Draconicus: try running "depmod -ae" before retrying alsaconf |
| 23:38.40 | pipeline | resiak, Guerin : E-mail is not a logging faculty. If you want to get your logs through e-mail, the proper place to handle that is in the log daemon. |
| 23:38.45 | resiak | Guerin: You can explain. I'm going to bed. |
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| 23:38.55 | resiak | ;) |
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| 23:39.03 | pmak | shingouz ok, i got it...but if this was a webserver thm |
| 23:39.05 | magyar | ahoy |
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| 23:39.11 | Nexus | Anyone know what causes rcconf to list a package in its interface or not? |
| 23:39.22 | pmak | shingouz tham would be good to have the lastest kernel right? |
| 23:39.29 | shingouz | pmak: and jsut having a bug in the kernel is not either always a valid reason to upgrade. if the bug is in the pcmcia and you do not have pcmcia there it is not vulnerable. |
| 23:39.47 | shingouz | pmak: just upgrade the damn kernel then, it is your system! |
| 23:39.48 | Draconicus | praha1: That didn't work, and alsaconf's attempts to load or use a vital sound module result in "modinfo: could not find module snd" |
| 23:39.50 | pipeline | pmak: No. Having the latest kernel exposes you to the latest bugs and regressions. |
| 23:39.54 | pmak | shingouz hmm, i got it |
| 23:40.02 | Guerin | pipeline: if you want to get your logs via email, how will the logging facility email them to you without a mta? |
| 23:40.03 | nvz | ok I am not sure if this is a problem or not, I setup a folder /srv/samba/ that is writable by samba users, and inside there will go all samba users homes, so far /srv/samba/Guest/ is the only one. now all folders inside /srv/samba/Guest/ are read-only because its my stuff I want to share with all samba users but dont want them fucking with it. however they have write access to the parent dir, thus can rename/delete /srv/samba/Guest/ anyhow righ |
| 23:40.03 | Draconicus | I'm guessing I need to modprobe snd, though I don't think that exists. |
| 23:40.06 | pmak | pipeline not in the 2.4 family |
| 23:40.14 | OldakQuill | Is there a Debian version of MPlayer? |
| 23:40.23 | seldon | Guerin: Not everyone wants to get their logs by mail |
| 23:40.24 | pipeline | Guerin: It won't. |
| 23:40.29 | praha1 | Draconicus: no you don't need to , if it fails to find them something is broken |
| 23:40.31 | Guerin | !tell OldakQuill about marillat |
| 23:40.52 | seldon | OldakQuill: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat |
| 23:40.53 | pipeline | nvz: Fool with the group permissions. |
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| 23:40.59 | pipeline | nvz: Or resort to POSIX ACLs |
| 23:41.01 | shingouz | pmak: if you feel more secure running a webserver on your gateway when it has a new kernel, do so. i would *not* run a webserver on the gateway. i would not run *anything* on the gateway for that matter |
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| 23:41.08 | z36ra | howdy |
| 23:41.09 | OldakQuill | HEh, thanks Guerin and seldon |
| 23:41.10 | praha1 | and yes the "snd" module exists |
| 23:41.11 | Guerin | pipeline: which is why, if you want notifications for cron, sudo, etc. you need a MTA. |
| 23:41.16 | Guerin | seldon: sure. |
| 23:41.17 | praha1 | that s weird :( |
| 23:41.19 | magyar | i am running ipopd on a medium traffic mail server, the ipopd is running through inetd. For some odd reason it seems to die ( not respond on port 110). It will only start working if I HUP inetd. Help plz. |
| 23:41.19 | nvz | wait I think I know how to fix this.. guest users should not have write access to the /srv/samba/, only non-guest users |
| 23:41.26 | Draconicus | OldakQuill: There is no such thing as a distro-specific version when it comes to Linux especially. :) However, I believe that mplayer is a little tricky. I forgot how I got mine. :P |
| 23:41.43 | _16aR_ | bye all |
| 23:41.43 | Draconicus | Err.. |
| 23:41.45 | Draconicus | Twas a bit late. |
| 23:41.51 | nvz | pipeline: I dont know what that is :P |
| 23:41.52 | pipeline | Guerin: Hey. Guess what. Not everyone does. It's not 1985 any more. Lots of things have been centralized. It's about time that things stopped requiring an MTA. |
| 23:41.54 | Guerin | there's no point in NOT running a local MTA ... why wouldn't you? It's not like they're resource-hungry. If they're not listening publicly they're no security risk. |
| 23:42.01 | seldon | MTAs make sense in networks, when you want to gather error messages in one mail account. |
| 23:42.06 | Draconicus | praha1: What's broken, do you think? Should I just reboot before by brain fries 30 times over? |
| 23:42.08 | Guerin | pipeline: bah. |
| 23:42.10 | pipeline | Guerin: I don't run an MTA because I have no way to send mail. |
| 23:42.17 | seldon | But where that isn't the case, I wouldn't waste CPU time for an extra daemon and open an extra port |
| 23:42.18 | praha1 | Draconicus: uname -a ? , ls /lib/modules/2.6.8-2/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/ ? |
| 23:42.20 | toonX | Guerin can i actually use 8 tty's ? like alt-F8 ? |
| 23:42.21 | pipeline | Guerin: I don't use local accounts. No one will receive mail from my netblock. What could I possibly need one? |
| 23:42.34 | Guerin | pipeline: your case is unusual. |
| 23:43.00 | nvz | toonX: you can use as many ttys as you like, edit /etc/inittab, just dont run a console on tty7 if you plan on using X on that box |
| 23:43.03 | seldon | toonX: Of course you can. But you'll have to tell your dm not to run an x-server on a tty that's already used by getty. |
| 23:43.04 | pipeline | Guerin: My case is typical. There are countless thousands of UNIX systems that never use mail for anything but aggregating log messages. |
| 23:43.09 | Guerin | seldon: what cpu time? what open port? (unless you count listening on 127.0.0.1 to be an open port) |
| 23:43.22 | resiak | pipeline: Which is a good use |
| 23:43.25 | seldon | I run getty on ttys 1-8 and X on tty9 |
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| 23:43.26 | toonX | nvz seldon ok thanks |
| 23:43.34 | pmak | why my port 139 is listening by default? |
| 23:43.40 | Draconicus | praha1: Uh.... ls returned no results and yet no errors.... is that normal? |
| 23:43.40 | nvz | seldon: its not really safe to run X on tty9 |
| 23:43.44 | praha1 | Draconicus: well if your are fed up tracking this , rebooting may help . and you could come back another day |
| 23:43.46 | seldon | Why not? |
| 23:43.55 | pipeline | resiak: It seems extremely silly to have a secondary logging system in the form of log daemons, then. I want everything under one system. PAM for logging :P |
| 23:43.57 | nvz | seldon: I ran it on tty12 years ago, and discovered a nasty bug in KDM |
| 23:44.02 | praha1 | Draconicus: is it a compiled from source kernel ? |
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| 23:44.14 | nvz | seldon: people are used to tty7 for X, so to be safe, its best to keep tty7 open for X |
| 23:44.22 | resiak | pipeline: PAM is for, erm, auth, hence the A. :) |
| 23:44.22 | praha1 | else maybe you are not using 2.6.8-2 |
| 23:44.25 | Draconicus | praha1: No, it's the usual package-spawned kernel. |
| 23:44.29 | seldon | I haven't run into any problems with tty9 yet, so... |
| 23:44.31 | pipeline | resiak: I know. I was drawing an analogy. |
| 23:44.34 | Draconicus | 2.6.8-2-386, specifically |
| 23:44.38 | nvz | seldon: it even says it in /etc/inittab so its best not to advise people otherwise |
| 23:44.47 | praha1 | ls /lib/modules/2.6.8-2/kernel/sound/core ? |
| 23:44.55 | Guerin | pmak: what's listening on it? |
| 23:44.57 | pipeline | resiak: very, very, very few programs attempt to read /etc/passwd any more. Strong authentication mechanisms are actually portable now. |
| 23:45.03 | seldon | Oh well. But then the nifty Meta-left/right stuff will only work to limited extent. |
| 23:45.14 | nvz | seldon: when I would start KDM it would still send my input mouse/keyboard to tty7 where nothing was running, and thus locked up my system locally |
| 23:45.16 | resiak | pipeline: So how should daemons report back? |
| 23:45.22 | nvz | seldon: the bug has been fixed IIRC |
| 23:45.23 | praha1 | hum then maybe /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/ |
| 23:45.47 | pipeline | resiak: However you want. Through a log daemon, with a single thing to configure. |
| 23:46.00 | nvz | seldon: but its likely these things could popup anywhere, and you personally cannot account for every piece of software, so to be safe go with what it says in /etc/inittab when you advise people |
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| 23:46.08 | icyfire0573 | praha1: try substituting the 2.6.8-2-386 with `uname -r` and see if he can find anything that way |
| 23:46.08 | Draconicus | praha1: I modified the last time appropriately, and again, that returned no files and no errors. An empty directory, I must assume. |
| 23:46.25 | z36ra | anyone have problems with synaptic touchpad on suspend/resume? know a fix? |
| 23:46.26 | resiak | pipeline: How do I get the output of my cron job then? |
| 23:46.33 | Draconicus | I think it's just a weird fluke, honestly. |
| 23:46.58 | seldon | Those errors are rare, though. Most programmers don't open /dev/tty7 explicitly, but use stdin and stdout instead |
| 23:47.13 | seldon | I can't recall ever running into one |
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| 23:47.30 | magyar | can someone suggest a good $Mailbox type POP3 deamon? |
| 23:47.45 | seldon | $Mailbox type? |
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| 23:47.57 | praha1 | Draconicus: you could try "apt-get install --reinstall kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386" |
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| 23:48.13 | praha1 | and check if the missing modules are back ... |
| 23:48.18 | magyar | seldon: $Maildir or $Mailbox |
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| 23:48.33 | seldon | You probably mean Maildir |
| 23:48.37 | seldon | There's Maildir and mbox |
| 23:48.43 | seldon | courier can deal with both, iirc |
| 23:48.47 | fwest | how can i unlock an account? |
| 23:48.51 | magyar | seldon: mbox , sorry |
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| 23:49.04 | seldon | About every pop3 daemon knows mbox |
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| 23:49.21 | seldon | mbox is very old, after all. |
| 23:49.27 | icyfire0573 | seldon: yes indeed courier plays quite nice with .maildir |
| 23:49.43 | Draconicus | praha1: Just how drastic a change would that be? Would I go through the hell of reconfiguring stuff again? |
| 23:49.46 | seldon | Maildir is a lot cooler, too. |
| 23:49.55 | seldon | No 2G mbox files anymore.. |
| 23:49.57 | MobyTurbo | what's the one-line nvidia kernel driver factoid for dpkg? |
| 23:50.07 | pipeline | resiak: ... |
| 23:50.09 | magyar | seldon: i tried (dovecot) (strong-popd) (ipopd) but all are buggy on debian. I've been running ipopd on MDK for 5 years without a glitch |
| 23:50.14 | pipeline | resiak: Through a logging faculty. I don't see what's complicated here. |
| 23:50.32 | seldon | magyar: Use courier then. I know that one works for sure. |
| 23:50.36 | pipeline | resiak: There's no reason that stdout can't be redirected yet another place. |
| 23:50.47 | praha1 | Draconicus: nope it will install missing files and overwrite the other ones (no configuration just program files) |
| 23:50.51 | pipeline | resiak: There's nothing special about e-mail except tradition. |
| 23:50.52 | seldon | apt-get install courier-pop courier-pop-ssl |
| 23:50.59 | nvz | Like I said, when you cannot account for every developer on the planet, don't recommend things against the developers recommendations. In this case, it says right in /etc/inittab "# Note that on most Debian systems tty7 is used by the X Window System,\n so if you want to add more getty's go ahead but skip tty7 if you run X" |
| 23:51.09 | magyar | seldon: do i need any special settings for mbox type server? |
| 23:51.31 | Draconicus | praha1: Ah. I'll do that. The reboot would no doubt fix this anyway, but I'll do that, too. |
| 23:51.39 | resiak | pipeline: Nor do I see what's wrong with using email for that. It's lightweight, easy to use... |
| 23:51.54 | pipeline | resiak: Lightweight? It requires some of the most complex daemons on the planet P |
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| 23:52.09 | MobyTurbo | nm, /msg dpkg nvidia has a pointer to it |
| 23:52.14 | praha1 | Draconicus: well see you, sorry if it is not yet fixed ... it ll be for another days :-/ |
| 23:52.22 | pipeline | resiak: And, again, there was nothing wrong with all programs being suid and chewing through /etc/passwd to handle auth. |
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| 23:52.28 | pipeline | resiak: It was lightweight, and it was damned easy to do. |
| 23:53.02 | seldon | magyar: No, iirc, mbox is the default setting for courier |
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| 23:54.12 | resiak | pipeline: Lies! I hit enter repeatedly during exim's conf. passwd's a completely different case. But whatever turns you on. I'm sleepy :) |
| 23:54.28 | pipeline | resiak: I want centralized configuration and I won't shut up about it :P |
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| 23:55.02 | magyar | seldon: what about the courrent mailboxes, do i need to convert them from ipopd to courier? |
| 23:55.07 | resiak | pipeline: Breaking email and logging apart _decentralises_! |
| 23:55.11 | magyar | courrent=current |
| 23:55.24 | seldon | No, mbox is a standard of its own |
| 23:55.30 | icyfire0573 | magyar: mbox is mbox and .maildir is .maildir, its a standard thing, |
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| 23:55.48 | pipeline | resiak: No, it would centralize them. Everything would use the log daemon, and then you would configure the log daemon to send you email for certain events and/or daemons. |
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| 23:56.35 | resiak | pipeline: I can't conduct an discussion right now. I've just switched to Dvorak and can barely type ;) |
| 23:56.36 | magyar | icyfire0573: o yeah, last time i switched from dovecot to strong-popd some users accumulated 80000 messages over the weekend. |
| 23:56.46 | jair | hello guys. |
| 23:56.50 | pipeline | resiak: Good luck and godspeed. Tell me you didn't switch your keycaps around? |
| 23:57.18 | magyar | icyfire0573: every five minutes it would keep on picking up the same messages over and over again |
| 23:57.21 | magyar | shit |
| 23:57.22 | resiak | pipeline: Hell no. I've learnt where they are. |
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| 23:57.40 | resiak | pipeline: Now go write your logd! |
| 23:57.42 | icyfire0573 | magyar: 80000 thats not toooooo many :-) |
| 23:57.45 | jair | guys i have a little confusion, If i want to install "sid" where could i found it? and it use the same installer than the netinst? that sarge use? |
| 23:57.55 | pipeline | resiak: Well, you learn a hell of a lot faster if the keyboard is unlabeled (or labelled incorrectly). And QWERTY keycaps help the return to QWERTY (learning to switch back and forth) |
| 23:57.55 | resiak | !iyhtays |
| 23:57.55 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 23:58.04 | pipeline | jair: Listen to the bot. |
| 23:58.15 | resiak | pipeline: Yes, exactly. |
| 23:58.40 | magyar | icyfire0573: if on friday you received 50 messages and over the weekend keep polling the same messages over and over again every 5 minutes. Add up |
| 23:59.01 | pipeline | resiak: While I'm giving out tips, I suggest you start in on one-handed dvorak exercises while you're still learning. I've been using dvorak for years, but if I only have one hand on the keyboard, everything comes out in qwerty :( |
| 23:59.06 | icyfire0573 | magyar: yes, i realize, thats not so good, i was joking. |
| 23:59.39 | magyar | icyfire0573: thats why am being cautios, it could be a night mare. |
